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| 00:00.14 | streuner_ | ThomasPorter: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 00:00.21 | Arafangion | Teller: Are these cards pretty much "hit and miss", or do they tend to work? (Or do they tend /not/ to work?) |
| 00:00.31 | tuv | usblp kernel module :) |
| 00:00.33 | th0ger | streuner_: thanks |
| 00:00.37 | zamaliphe | i coldent load the aiglx and dri so can i find some help ?I'm using debian unstable with the last nvidia driver :) |
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| 00:00.57 | Teller | Arafangion: Don't know to be honest.. I had one once which didn't work |
| 00:01.22 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:01.22 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 00:01.26 | Arafangion | Teller: SEems that Debian doesn't recognize it, I'm hoping that once I upgrade it to kernel 2.6, it'll recognise it. |
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| 00:01.43 | Wyzard | Arafangion: yes, you definitely want to be running 2.6 to use wireless stuff |
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| 00:02.14 | Teller | Arafangion: That's a good idea |
| 00:02.15 | daeos | good question here, what is the best way to allow multiple people to edit the /var/www , but only the users i specify, unless suggestion would be just to add them to the current group that CAN edit it? |
| 00:02.30 | Arafangion | I shall back out of the install and run linux26 |
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| 00:02.49 | _knoppix | Hello. Ive had a hard disk crash. Ive tried quite a few things to try and restore it. Everything from the Universal Boot Disk to RIPLinux. I just cant get it working |
| 00:03.10 | Wyzard | "hard disk crash" usually refers to a physically broken drive |
| 00:03.14 | Wyzard | You can't fix that with software |
| 00:03.25 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Im not sure whether or not its physical |
| 00:03.28 | sts | Teller: nothing |
| 00:03.31 | _knoppix | I just know the thing refuses to work |
| 00:03.33 | Arafangion | _knoppix: And every time you use it, it'll get significantly worse. |
| 00:03.42 | Wyzard | Describe the symptoms |
| 00:03.45 | Teller | daeos: Don't know what made that question particularly good.. But yeah, add the users to that group |
| 00:03.49 | Arafangion | _knoppix: If you are 100% sure it's not physical, immediately perform a 'dd', and only work on the image. |
| 00:04.19 | _knoppix | Arafangion: erm... the hard drive is 200gb large |
| 00:04.20 | daeos | Teller: makes people answer them |
| 00:04.27 | sts | Teller: nothing spectacular in the logs today. |
| 00:04.38 | _knoppix | The closest I can get to something I can dump that on is a 80gb drive. |
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| 00:04.56 | _knoppix | Wyzard, Arafangion, http://pastebin.ca/241024 |
| 00:05.04 | _knoppix | dmesg output when I try to mount it |
| 00:05.08 | abrotman | _knoppix: does it even get detected ? |
| 00:05.17 | _knoppix | for the record, fsck.ext3 also refuses to work |
| 00:05.19 | Arafangion | _knoppix: If you value your data, you WILL purchase a replacement HDD that is larger. |
| 00:05.26 | rambo3 | i have libapache2-mod-php5 and configured extentions in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and a2enmod php5 . and restarted . apache still asks if i want to download the ph |
| 00:05.27 | abrotman | _knoppix: drive fucked .. |
| 00:05.35 | tuv | streuner_, it WAS a kernel problem :) missing module |
| 00:05.36 | Wyzard | _knoppix: That's most likely a hardware problem |
| 00:05.40 | saber_ | i have a laptop (hp ze5500). I'm trying to seup X to have a higher resolution, but whenever I set it to something higher i get weirdness on the screen |
| 00:05.42 | Wyzard | _knoppix: Go to the drive manufacturer |
| 00:05.49 | _knoppix | Arafangion: Its not that important.. mostly movies, tv shows, music and some school crap. |
| 00:05.50 | Wyzard | _knoppix: Go to the drive manufacturer's website |
| 00:05.56 | saber_ | how can i determine what the horizontal/vertical frequencies are? |
| 00:05.58 | _knoppix | samsng |
| 00:06.00 | Wyzard | and download their diagnostic tool -- most manufacturers have one available |
| 00:06.04 | _knoppix | samsung |
| 00:06.04 | Arafangion | _knoppix: THen chuck it. |
| 00:06.06 | Teller | sts: No module being invoked which could have spawned a config re-read ? |
| 00:06.13 | saber_ | i found some settings online, but they do not seem to work for any settings above 800x600 |
| 00:06.18 | Wyzard | which you can run from a bootable floppy or CD, and it'll analyze the drive and give you more detailed info |
| 00:06.27 | _knoppix | Arafangion: Im not willing to give up on it THAT easily |
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| 00:06.34 | abrotman | _knoppix: it's toast |
| 00:06.36 | abrotman | or the cable is bad |
| 00:06.37 | streuner_ | tuv: well, on my experiences usually CUPS just work with an official kernel |
| 00:06.38 | Wyzard | including, possibly, a diagnostic code you can use to get an RMA if the drive is still under warranty |
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| 00:06.45 | _knoppix | argh... crappy keymap. I cant get used to english/american keyboards. |
| 00:06.53 | TrueDD | hello |
| 00:07.03 | _knoppix | abrotman: are you sure its a physical fuckup? |
| 00:07.36 | Wyzard | It's either a damaged drive or a bad cable |
| 00:07.37 | abrotman | _knoppix: in all but like .00000000000001 % of the cases .. it's a hardware failure |
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| 00:07.45 | abrotman | so it's either a bad cable/controller/drive |
| 00:07.52 | _knoppix | Shit. |
| 00:08.04 | _knoppix | I guess formatting it wont solve this one eh |
| 00:08.08 | Wyzard | nope |
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| 00:08.15 | _knoppix | Damnit. |
| 00:08.25 | unlink | why doesn't my sound work? it worked last time i booted; my module is loaded, i have sound playing, i've tried different speakers, including htei nternal speakers, pcm and master are both unmuted and turned up |
| 00:08.27 | saber_ | X change.. time for restart |
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| 00:08.30 | sts | Teller: it was mod_fastcgi's configuration file which was added to the configurations since the last startup. but the module apparently doesn't exist in debian testing anymore (since apache2.2 was released) |
| 00:08.31 | Wyzard | Try a different IDE cable if you have one available |
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| 00:08.36 | slept | saber_, get read-edid, to use it get-edid|parse-edid |
| 00:08.38 | Wyzard | but first and foremost, run the manufacturer's diagnostic tool |
| 00:08.49 | Wyzard | That'll get the drive to run detailed diagnostics on itself |
| 00:08.50 | streuner_ | unlink: what did you change in the meantime? |
| 00:08.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yesterday, I had a donated machine, but the first HDD I plugged in it (a spare I found) was corrupt, and none of the others worked with it, except teh 6GB one. |
| 00:08.55 | unlink | streuner_: nothing |
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| 00:09.01 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Alright? |
| 00:09.02 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:09.05 | unlink | streuner_: turned off, turned back on |
| 00:09.07 | Arafangion | abrotman: A wierd BIOS issue is my guess. |
| 00:09.09 | Teller | unlink: On some boards there's more gauges that needs to be raised other than Master and PCM to generate audible sounds |
| 00:09.10 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Never heard of that before though. |
| 00:09.18 | unlink | Teller: not this one |
| 00:09.22 | _knoppix | As for Samsungs own diagnostic software, it was on the UBCD so I tried it |
| 00:09.26 | _knoppix | It didnt seem to do anything |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | Arafangion: i can think of other things |
| 00:09.35 | streuner_ | unlink: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 00:09.40 | Arafangion | Teller: On some boards, there's a vacuum tube to enhance the acoustic properties. |
| 00:09.44 | unlink | Linux version 2.6.18.1 (root@lambda) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19)) #2 SMP PREEMPT Tue Oct 31 16:20:12 EST 2006 |
| 00:09.52 | Teller | unlink: Ok.. I had once where it took me quite a while to find out that VIA DXS needed to be raised as well |
| 00:09.58 | unlink | streuner_: hasn't changed since it last worked |
| 00:10.08 | Teller | Arafangion.. right |
| 00:10.08 | Wyzard | I haven't used Samsung's but Seagate's offers choices of "short drive self-test" and "long drive self-test", and the tests return pass/fail info when they're done |
| 00:10.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: Well, I didn't even bother to try and get it to the point where Linux would read it - BIOS kept crashing during detection. |
| 00:10.14 | streuner_ | unlink: use an official kernel |
| 00:10.35 | unlink | streuner_: they don't work for my machine |
| 00:10.46 | unlink | streuner_: but the alsa part is the same |
| 00:10.56 | _knoppix | Wyzard: So, after replacing IDE cable and nothing happens, I got a new paperweight? |
| 00:11.02 | streuner_ | unlink: what happens if you run 'alsaconf' again? |
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| 00:11.43 | unlink | streuner_: i never ran it, and i'm never going to. it breaks more than it fixes in my experience, i've always had to clean up after it by hand |
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| 00:12.08 | Teller | sts: Tough one this |
| 00:12.12 | Wyzard | _knoppix: If the drive is under warranty you can probably get it replaced |
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| 00:12.38 | sts | ah! they released an update for apache2. how can i check changes since the last version? |
| 00:12.43 | _knoppix | Hmm... not a bad idea. I dont know if it still is...maybe. |
| 00:12.45 | Wyzard | _knoppix: You could also try it in a different computer in case it's the IDE controller itself that's gone bad, but that's unlikely |
| 00:12.49 | Teller | sts: No logrotating going on at that time? Logrotate is known to restart services after the log has been rotated |
| 00:12.58 | _knoppix | Wyzard: I dont have another computer. |
| 00:13.09 | _knoppix | Ive used this old piece of crap since like 2002 |
| 00:13.09 | Arafangion | sts: apt-listchanges |
| 00:13.19 | Arafangion | sts: THEN upgrade apache |
| 00:13.23 | streuner_ | unlink: look into /var/log/dmesg then |
| 00:13.55 | streuner_ | unlink: (does the kernel regonises the soundcard...) |
| 00:14.08 | Teller | sts: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/CHANGES_2.2 |
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| 00:14.24 | unlink | i wouldn't be able to run alsamixer and set volumes if it hand't |
| 00:14.31 | Teller | Or CHANGES_2.0 for the 2.0 tree |
| 00:14.32 | Arafangion | Teller: That doesn't neccessary include changes made by Debian. |
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| 00:15.05 | Teller | Arafangion: Does apt-listchanges include everything in that file too ? |
| 00:15.11 | streuner_ | unlink: what happens if you run xmms as root in cli? |
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| 00:15.22 | Teller | To be honest, I currently don't run a single debian system :S |
| 00:15.58 | Teller | Arafangion: I just assumed that apt-listchanges didn't spew the entire changelog out, so reading both would be a pretty good idea |
| 00:16.20 | Arafangion | Teller: For something like apache, that'd only be prudent. |
| 00:16.31 | unlink | streuner_: /dev/snd/* are writable by group audio, and i'm in that group (running as root is identical) |
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| 00:17.11 | Teller | Arafangion: What do you mean, prudent ? |
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| 00:18.09 | abrotman | psychonate: fix your router |
| 00:18.23 | psychonate | didn't know there was anything wrong with it |
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| 00:18.32 | abrotman | psychonate: that's why you got banned from here earlier |
| 00:18.33 | streuner_ | You are really an hardcore user, you regret any advice and you don't answer questions directly |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 00:18.39 | psychonate | didn't know I was banned |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | psychonate: you were :) |
| 00:18.52 | psychonate | heh |
| 00:18.53 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 00:19.04 | psychonate | why did my router cause me to be banned? |
| 00:19.05 | abrotman | psychonate: update the firmware on your router .. or connect to freenode on 8001 |
| 00:19.16 | RogerBacon | hi, why debian take 2 year in devel. for nothing ? |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | psychonate: some ass was doing the dcc crap .. and kept resetting your router |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | RogerBacon: nothing ? |
| 00:19.33 | psychonate | ah |
| 00:19.34 | streuner_ | RogerBacon: quality needs time |
| 00:19.45 | nivanson | Why are the kdelibs versioned +1 in debian? :) *curious* |
| 00:19.59 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 00:20.05 | nivanson | I will! |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | okay! |
| 00:20.15 | psychonate | I don't actually own this router--using someone else's--but I'll see what I can do |
| 00:21.25 | abrotman | then attach to FN on 8001 or 8000 .. whichever it is |
| 00:22.04 | streuner_ | unlink: soundproblems are usually (in most cases) kernel issues, 1) fix your kernel or 2) (better) help debian to solve the kernel-issue (ARM) |
| 00:22.31 | Teller | Arafangion: If you mean what I think you mean.. prudence is a good thing when you upgrade a production webserver.. I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing without reading the changelogs and release notes |
| 00:23.11 | unlink | streuner_: usually modprobe -r snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel works |
| 00:23.24 | unlink | streuner_: yeah, my dmesg looks different, i might need to reboot |
| 00:23.51 | streuner_ | nah, you need to file a bugreport :-) |
| 00:24.07 | darrend | anyone any idea on apache2 child process segfaults? Totally lost here - cannot get my apache2 back up. |
| 00:24.10 | unlink | i would, but i can't systematically reproduce the error |
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| 00:24.34 | unlink | i would try to fix the issue if i could figure out what it was |
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| 00:25.58 | Arafangion | Teller: 2.caution with regard to practical matters; discretion. (dictionary.com) |
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| 00:26.17 | Miesco | HOw would I use fetchmail to not use my smtp server, sympatico does blocks my smtp server |
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| 00:27.50 | dendrite | Miesco: Most commonly, fetchmail is used to pull mail in via pop or such, and make a *local* smtp connection, that your ISP would have no control over... |
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| 00:28.20 | dendrite | Miesco: I.e., you run fetchmail on your workstation, that just happens to have some smtp deamon running... |
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| 00:28.36 | unlink | streuner_: do you have any advice on how to pin down the problem? |
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| 00:29.29 | Trixsey | HEY YOU DEBIAN DEVIANTS! |
| 00:29.43 | Miesco | dendrite: Oh yea? Okay, that makes sense |
| 00:29.56 | psychonate | Odd xchat crashes when I attempt to connect on 8001, but irssi seems capable. |
| 00:30.04 | streuner_ | unlink: irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbies |
| 00:30.09 | _knoppix | Trixsey: HEY YOU AMOEBA DEBIANT |
| 00:30.16 | _knoppix | *DEVIANT |
| 00:30.18 | _knoppix | lol |
| 00:30.25 | dendrite | debiant. Nice. |
| 00:30.26 | _knoppix | Hey, debiant |
| 00:30.27 | _knoppix | lol |
| 00:30.31 | Arafangion | _knoppix: Nice. |
| 00:30.33 | _knoppix | :) |
| 00:31.28 | Miesco | http://paste.lisp.org/display/29351 |
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| 00:31.34 | Miesco | Thats fetchmail -Rv |
| 00:31.47 | Miesco | smtp listener protocol error |
| 00:32.18 | th0ger | Just another faq: Upgrading from 2.6.8 to >=2.6.15 with apt-get (running testing/unstable). Howto, or is it available? |
| 00:32.30 | abrotman | linux-image |
| 00:32.34 | streuner_ | th0ger: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:32.46 | dendrite | Miesco: And you have a smtpd listening on localhost? |
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| 00:33.03 | Miesco | tcp6 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN |
| 00:33.22 | dendrite | Miesco: How about ipv4? |
| 00:33.35 | dendrite | Not sure if fetchmail knows to try ipv6... |
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| 00:33.54 | R3coba | hi |
| 00:34.14 | Miesco | Not sure what ipv stuff is, but can you make servers listen with ipv6 or 4? |
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| 00:34.27 | Arafangion | Hmm, wifi (Particularly the Texas Instruments card i have) does not easily work on Debian. |
| 00:34.28 | dendrite | Miesco: Depends on the daemon. |
| 00:34.52 | Miesco | dendrite: Im using posfix |
| 00:34.52 | R3coba | i've installed debian a few minutes ago and i wanted to mount an usb device, but i can't find the sda device in /dev...how can i solve this |
| 00:34.59 | aldin | anyone has Compaq nx6125 Laptop |
| 00:35.05 | R3coba | is there another way to mount it? |
| 00:35.16 | dendrite | Miesco: Well, look into getting postfix to listen on ipv4 |
| 00:35.17 | Miesco | tcp6 = ipv6, tcp = ipv4? |
| 00:35.23 | dendrite | Miesco: Yes. |
| 00:35.24 | Arafangion | R3coba: What did dmesg say |
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| 00:35.47 | dendrite | Miesco: Or, rtm and see if fetchmail can do ipv6. |
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| 00:35.49 | LordScin | hello |
| 00:35.57 | LordScin | http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/ati/ati.htm |
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| 00:36.03 | LordScin | i'm following that guide |
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| 00:36.15 | LordScin | but i think i haven't kernel sources driver |
| 00:36.19 | dendrite | Miesco: I've got nothing against ipv6 mind you, I'm just looking for a practical solution to your issue... |
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| 00:36.55 | LordScin | how can i get it? :| |
| 00:37.08 | LordScin | apt-cache search kernel doesn't seems to be the correct solution |
| 00:37.38 | LordScin | laptop:~/ati# cat /usr/share/fglrx/fglrx-install.log |
| 00:37.39 | LordScin | [Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module. |
| 00:37.39 | LordScin | [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. |
| 00:37.39 | LordScin | [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme. |
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| 00:37.50 | LordScin | sorry .. :| |
| 00:38.11 | R3coba | Arafangion nothing special, but if i run lsusb it tells that the device is plugged in |
| 00:38.12 | aldin | anyone has laptop with turion CPU |
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| 00:38.40 | Linuxpoa | Hi ! How to install precompiled kernel > 2.6.8 ?? |
| 00:38.45 | goingtomoonbrb | So, my network IP keeps on randomly resetting itself, and not to something I am assigning it to |
| 00:38.48 | th0ger | streuner_: sorry, but that was not usefull/related to my question :( |
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| 00:39.05 | goingtomoonbrb | I set it to something with ifconfig eth0 <ip>, and it resets itself. |
| 00:39.29 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 00:39.49 | dendrite | goingtomoonbrb: Sounds like you're fighting with your dhcp server... |
| 00:39.52 | R3coba | Arafangion could you help me? |
| 00:40.40 | krazykit | LordScin: sounds like you need to build the module from source... check out module-assistant |
| 00:40.43 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 00:40.44 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 00:41.00 | goingtomoonbrb | dendrite, thing is, it sets the address to addresses the dhcp server doesn't usually use |
| 00:41.06 | streuner_ | thOg: if you have to ask such questions you better don't run unstable. |
| 00:41.27 | goingtomoonbrb | my dhcp server usually uses 192.168.2.*, eth0 keps on resetting itself to 169.254.211.* |
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| 00:41.41 | dendrite | goingtomoonbrb: Heh. Rogue dhcpd? Weird. |
| 00:41.43 | streuner_ | th0ger: ^^^ |
| 00:41.49 | R3coba | abrotman thanks ;) |
| 00:41.59 | goingtomoonbrb | dendrite, I have no idea |
| 00:42.19 | goingtomoonbrb | All the other PCs on the network have a 192.168.2.* IP assigned to them :/ |
| 00:42.21 | krazykit | goingtomoonbrb: as i recall, that's the "fake" address that dhclient assigns when it can't get a real IP... not sure how to resolve it though |
| 00:43.02 | goingtomoonbrb | :/ |
| 00:43.06 | goingtomoonbrb | also, I get this error |
| 00:43.08 | dendrite | goingtomoonbrb: Any clues in the logs? |
| 00:43.10 | goingtomoonbrb | root@debian:/transfer# ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.5 |
| 00:43.10 | goingtomoonbrb | SIOCSIFADDR: File exists |
| 00:43.14 | Tiger_IT | Tiger_IT gogogo |
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| 00:43.34 | goingtomoonbrb | dendrite, which logs? dmesg? |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | syslog and/or messages |
| 00:43.51 | dendrite | goingtomoonbrb: Or /var/log/messages .. |
| 00:44.36 | goingtomoonbrb | Nov 5 18:12:25 debian -- MARK -- |
| 00:44.36 | goingtomoonbrb | Nov 5 18:32:25 debian -- MARK -- |
| 00:44.36 | goingtomoonbrb | Nov 5 18:52:25 debian -- MARK -- |
| 00:44.37 | goingtomoonbrb | Nov 5 19:12:25 debian -- MARK -- |
| 00:44.37 | goingtomoonbrb | Nov 5 19:32:26 debian -- MARK -- |
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| 00:44.46 | goingtomoonbrb | Sorry :/ |
| 00:45.18 | streuner_ | !tell goingtomoonbrb about mark |
| 00:46.05 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm assuming the SMB reconnect it just referring to my SMB shares being re-established after the IP changes. |
| 00:46.25 | th0ger | streuner_: telling me to use stable is not very useful. i think i should run testing/unstable |
| 00:46.44 | streuner_ | th0ger: just add backports |
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| 00:46.54 | streuner_ | th0ger: get some experiences first |
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| 00:47.06 | th0ger | streuner_: bin there, done that. dont like it |
| 00:47.24 | streuner_ | use *etch* then |
| 00:47.46 | th0ger | streuner_: i have some experience (5 years) |
| 00:48.00 | streuner_ | but not with debian |
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| 00:48.05 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm on etch. |
| 00:48.15 | izzyb | I know this isn't debian specific, but I'm not sure where else to ask... I'm using tinyca to create ssl certificates, and have been for a while. Something that has always bugged me is what the difference is between a request signed as a server verses a client |
| 00:48.25 | izzyb | what is the technical difference between the two? |
| 00:48.54 | izzyb | but when would you use client? |
| 00:49.27 | kriebz | making your own web browser? total guess, crypto confuses me |
| 00:49.43 | th0ger | streuner_: just tell me if 2.6.15 is in testing or unstable... |
| 00:49.49 | aldin | ppl anyone has turion CPU and how do u regulate heating |
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| 00:50.06 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:50.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | powernowd iirc |
| 00:50.13 | streuner_ | th0ger: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:50.29 | th0ger | streuner_: thanks.... |
| 00:50.37 | goingtomoonbrb | Hey, anyone know how to disable the local dhcp server in Debian? |
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| 00:50.57 | streuner_ | there isn't one installed by default... |
| 00:51.24 | streuner_ | so what's the *real* question? |
| 00:51.28 | niles | is there a man page for regular expressions? |
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| 00:51.32 | niles | possix. |
| 00:52.10 | Arafangion | Why do so many websites insist on printing two paragraphs a _page_, before you have to hit "next"? |
| 00:52.43 | Seb | niles: man 7 regex ? |
| 00:53.00 | Seb | Arafangion: ads |
| 00:53.00 | izzyb | Arafangion, they don't know what a scroll wheel is good for? |
| 00:53.40 | niles | ahh i was doing man regexp |
| 00:53.42 | niles | thanx Seb |
| 00:53.49 | Seb | niles: i did man reg<tab> :) |
| 00:53.56 | Arafangion | Seb: I don't see any adds. |
| 00:53.56 | niles | hmm |
| 00:53.57 | izzyb | seb: ads is a common reason, bbut I've seen sites without adds doing it too :( |
| 00:54.00 | Arafangion | Seb: This is informit.com |
| 00:54.07 | goingtomoonbrb | Hey, anyone know how to disable the local dhcp server in Debian? I'm having conflicts with itt |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | Arafangion: considered good form by some |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: uninstall it |
| 00:54.19 | Seb | Arafangion: i meant this is a common reason for sites to do so. |
| 00:54.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: I fail to understand _why_. |
| 00:55.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: I spend more time waiting for the content than I do _reading_ it! |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | Arafangion: you're not a web designer i gather ... |
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| 00:55.57 | aldin | abrotman: powernow.... |
| 00:56.02 | kriebz | goingtomoonbrb: /etc/init.d/dhcp stop perhaps? |
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| 00:56.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Not by trade, no. |
| 00:56.25 | aldin | abrotman: do u use sarge or etch or sid |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:56.30 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | etch |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: then you might not understand |
| 00:57.04 | Arafangion | abrotman: I can understand making people put a *page* (ie, more than 2 short paragraphs) between each "next". |
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| 00:57.23 | abrotman | aldin: don't msg me |
| 00:57.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: And I'm not a web developer only because I haven't got time to do so - I do like to understand how they do things, though. |
| 00:57.32 | Avochelm | abrotman, i think web designers blow too much smoke up their ass |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | Arafangion: ask in #web why people do it |
| 00:57.37 | aldin | abrotman: why |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | Avochelm: maybe so |
| 00:57.42 | Arafangion | Good idea. |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | aldin: because i don't want you to msg me |
| 00:57.55 | Malagmyr | "smbfs: Unrecognized mount option case_sensitive" <-- Has this option changed? How do I make an smbfs mount case-insensitive these days? Default? |
| 00:57.58 | aldin | abrotman: ok |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | Malagmyr: man mount ? |
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| 00:59.01 | aldin | sarge + turion anyone |
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| 00:59.57 | abrotman | !info powernowd sarge |
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| 01:00.03 | dpkg | powernowd: (control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.90-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 01:00.09 | krazykit | aldin: why not just ask the question instead of hopign someone has that exact combination. |
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| 01:00.43 | abrotman | !ops hai2u dcc stuff |
| 01:00.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: hai2u dcc stuff |
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| 01:01.20 | aldin | krazykit: sorry it seems that alla re busy |
| 01:01.40 | th0ger | apt-get upgrade; updating kde; requires switching from hotplug to udev; udev fails at boot, wanting kernel >=2.6.15; etch/sid only has kernel 2.6.8(?); Conclusion: no kde on etch/sid! |
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| 01:02.08 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:02.14 | dendrite | th0ger: etch/sid certainly has > 2.6.8 |
| 01:02.19 | linuxmigration | i can't seem to find a nx or freenx package in the repos. any idea why there is none? dfsg? |
| 01:02.19 | Arafangion | How do I install grub to the MBR of hdc? |
| 01:02.20 | krazykit | th0ger: er... etch is way past 2.6.8 |
| 01:02.25 | Arafangion | (During install) |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | th0ger: i told you before .. linux-image |
| 01:02.28 | krazykit | i think it uses 2.6.17 now... |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | !nx |
| 01:02.32 | dpkg | nx is probably http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 etch |
| 01:02.45 | aldin | which package in sarge gives acpi -V |
| 01:02.50 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.17-2-686: (Linux 2.6.17 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.17-9 (etch), Packaged size: 15521 kB, Installed size: 45196 kB |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | !tell aldin about search |
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| 01:03.12 | th0ger | abrotman: sorry i didnt sse that |
| 01:04.16 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 01:04.19 | linuxmigration | abrotman: so, what about freenx? |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | !nx |
| 01:04.44 | dpkg | nx is, like, http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
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| 01:04.46 | streuner_ | freenx isn't in debian |
| 01:04.50 | abrotman | ask apt-get.org |
| 01:04.59 | aldin | bye bye thanks i'll try sarge on my notebook again, it was heating abnormaly, ubuntu works great hough |
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| 01:05.36 | abrotman | eeyore-: you've been online and people talk to you! |
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| 01:05.47 | eeyore- | oh? sorry :-) |
| 01:06.11 | streuner_ | hey eeyore- :-) |
| 01:06.11 | eeyore- | i just left the client running in a screen |
| 01:06.17 | abrotman | you bastard! |
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| 01:06.48 | goingtomoonbrb | kriebz, root@debian:/transfer# /etc/init.d/dhcp stop |
| 01:06.48 | goingtomoonbrb | bash: /etc/init.d/dhcp: No such file or directory |
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| 01:07.07 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: dpkg -l dhcp* .. what do youget ? |
| 01:07.23 | eeyore- | my client doesn't have anything in /lastlog for me. what was wanted? |
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| 01:07.52 | abrotman | eeyore-: the guy with the bad RAM on friday kept coming back |
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| 01:08.06 | goingtomoonbrb | ii dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19.4 DHCP Client |
| 01:08.06 | goingtomoonbrb | un dhcp-client-be <none> (no description available) |
| 01:08.06 | goingtomoonbrb | un dhcp3-client <none> (no description available) |
| 01:08.06 | goingtomoonbrb | un dhcpcd <none> (no description available) |
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| 01:08.16 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm on a roll today. |
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| 01:08.28 | Arafangion | How do I install grub? |
| 01:08.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: calestyo or something? |
| 01:08.34 | Arafangion | Specifying (hd2) doesn't work. |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | eeyore-: yeah |
| 01:08.47 | eeyore- | abrotman: what's the scoop? |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: about saturday? or calesto? |
| 01:09.08 | eeyore- | abrotman: about the problem |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | eeyore-: he says it's not a problem anymore .. he thinks everything is peachy .. i'm skeptical |
| 01:09.27 | peterS | Arafangion: is hd2 listed in /boot/grub/device.map ? |
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| 01:10.03 | vos | Hi, where are the openssl libs installed in debian? |
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| 01:10.25 | streuner_ | vos: dpkg -L <package> |
| 01:10.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: heh. maybe it was some weird gremlin. |
| 01:10.30 | george | vos: if you have them installed, dpkg can tell you (dpkg --help) |
| 01:10.33 | Arafangion | peterS: This is during install. |
| 01:10.48 | peterS | vos: same place all libraries are. /usr/lib. if you need to compile something with openssl, you'd better install libssl-dev |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | eeyore-: nah . it locked up the debian memtest .. but not the bootable CD |
| 01:11.05 | Arafangion | peterS: Looks like specifying /dev/hdc works, even though the installer provides (hd2) as an example. |
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| 01:11.09 | vos | peterS: That is what i was looking for! thx. |
| 01:11.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: i tore down the (home) file server over the weekend. got all the dust out. replaced the RAID array (upgraded) and went to replace the CPU fan. realized i bought the wrong kind :-) i needed socket-a cooler but bought socket 939 fanless one instead :-p |
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| 01:11.19 | vos | streuner_: george: thx |
| 01:11.34 | streuner_ | vos: np, you're welcome. |
| 01:11.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, that might be OK (locked up OS-based memtest but not the standalone one) |
| 01:11.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: he booted it from grub |
| 01:12.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: can't you just throw the fan in the case hanging loose ?:) |
| 01:12.08 | eeyore- | abrotman: could the binary be corrupted? |
| 01:12.27 | Miesco_ | Okay installing postfix, I like it better then exim4 |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: suppose |
| 01:12.46 | eeyore- | Miesco_: well, good for you! |
| 01:12.49 | streuner_ | !start a MTA war |
| 01:12.49 | dpkg | courier rulez |
| 01:12.57 | Miesco_ | eeyore-: K |
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| 01:13.43 | goingtomoonbrb | So, anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:13.55 | streuner_ | !any ideas |
| 01:13.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 rabid kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:14.11 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 01:14.24 | george | oh hey, I'm looking to get a cheap but rugged 1024x768 or a bit better projector... any recommendations? |
| 01:14.25 | goingtomoonbrb | My IP keeps resetting itself to an IP I'm told is usually used by dhcp when it can't connect to the server |
| 01:14.27 | streuner_ | goingtomoonbrb: we asked you before... |
| 01:14.31 | goingtomoonbrb | even though I've killed dhclient |
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| 01:14.48 | goingtomoonbrb | and I can find no other dhcp servers running on this box to interrupt my setting a static IP |
| 01:14.52 | eeyore- | george: craigslist? |
| 01:15.16 | george | I'm not so sure about a used one... but I'll consider that if I have to |
| 01:15.52 | george | I'm looking to find out if there's one generally well-thought of |
| 01:16.01 | eeyore- | george: get the used one for cheap and replace the bulb later? if you can score one really cheap it'll be worthwhile |
| 01:16.40 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner_, was that aimed at me? |
| 01:16.49 | george | eeyore-: is dlp the best current technology (wrt picture versus ruggedness vs cost)? |
| 01:16.51 | Miesco_ | Okay I made my smtp server ipv4, fetchmail doesn't work though |
| 01:17.08 | streuner_ | no, to those people who using 'rr' ISP :-) |
| 01:17.12 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner_, What IS a route-runner? |
| 01:17.15 | goingtomoonbrb | ... I see. |
| 01:17.17 | Miesco_ | When I connect to the smtp server localhost it connects but does not give me any output |
| 01:17.17 | goingtomoonbrb | Which is me. |
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| 01:18.01 | george | eeyore-: that's not a bad idea |
| 01:18.02 | eeyore- | george: DLP is the "new hotness", but i don't like the idea of having a filter wheel spinning around in there |
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| 01:18.24 | george | that's how you get color?? |
| 01:18.35 | Kassah | what's the 'debian way' to enable/disable /etc/init.d scripts? |
| 01:18.35 | george | a freakin spinning wheel?? |
| 01:18.38 | Dwonis | n |
| 01:18.38 | eeyore- | george: ya |
| 01:18.45 | Miesco_ | Im not getting the smtpd banner |
| 01:18.48 | Miesco_ | When I connect |
| 01:18.51 | george | maaaannn |
| 01:18.57 | george | I dunno about that :) |
| 01:19.07 | Kassah | or is it just making the links manually? |
| 01:19.30 | dondelelcaro | Kassah: you can use update-rc.d if you want; whatever works though. |
| 01:19.39 | george | update-rc.d? |
| 01:19.47 | kriebz | eeyore-: better throw out all your other technology that uses wheels, just to be safe |
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| 01:19.57 | eeyore- | george: the vast majority of DLP's are one-chip, and they need the filter wheel. the 3-chip ones exist but are extremely costly. |
| 01:20.16 | streuner_ | george: man update-rc.d |
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| 01:20.41 | abrotman | DLP projectors can be gotten cheaply |
| 01:21.04 | eeyore- | kriebz: smart comment, but off the mark. i guess you love to spend time maintaining the little moving parts to make sure they're working optimally? |
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| 01:21.43 | eeyore- | that's kind of why i like fanless heatpipe coolers, no fan bearings to go bad ... |
| 01:21.47 | Red_Cloud | chemaja, this Debian from Scratch is wonderful. There are enough user manuals that I cannot possible fail. Unless.......... |
| 01:21.58 | kriebz | I've never seen one break |
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| 01:22.14 | eeyore- | kriebz: you haven't seen a fan with bad bearings? |
| 01:22.17 | kriebz | and if, after like 10 years, it does... yes, I would love the excuse to open up the projector |
| 01:22.31 | kriebz | no, a DLP proj. with a broken color wheel |
| 01:22.32 | golly | anyone here use guarddog firewall? |
| 01:22.41 | eeyore- | kriebz: DLPs haven't been out for 10 years |
| 01:22.54 | kriebz | hypothetical |
| 01:23.15 | Kassah | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: DLP was developed way longer than 10 years ago |
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| 01:25.19 | eeyore- | abrotman: took all that time to perfect enough for market? :-))))) |
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| 01:25.51 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's about 20 years old IIRC .. but i think the first DLP devices came to "mass" market like 10 years ago |
| 01:26.01 | withaY | what's debian's equivalent to redhat's pam_stack.so? |
| 01:26.21 | eeyore- | wanna see japanese robotic car park? |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | any nudity ? |
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| 01:28.45 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, but the AXE commercial with the quater-tosser dude has a cute girl in it :-) |
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| 01:35.17 | linuxadmin | nabend |
| 01:36.39 | withaY | is this "@include" syntax that i see in a couple of these pam module configs the equivalent of redhat's usage of their pam_stack.so module? |
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| 01:37.29 | nvzn | when i try to do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 i get E: Unable to find a source package for linux-2.6.16 |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | because it's not there anytmore .. |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 01:38.01 | nvzn | etch |
| 01:38.14 | nvzn | why? |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 etch |
| 01:38.28 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: enjoy :D |
| 01:38.31 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.17-2-686: (Linux 2.6.17 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.17-9 (etch), Packaged size: 15521 kB, Installed size: 45196 kB |
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| 01:38.44 | nvzn | so what happens to the old kernel support? |
| 01:39.11 | nvzn | because the 2.6.17-2-686 oops's on boot btw |
| 01:39.21 | nvzn | so i _need_ 2.6.16 |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 01:39.24 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 01:39.41 | nvzn | abrotman: great, thanks |
| 01:40.05 | Red_Cloud | chemaja, looks like this will be a lot of fun and frustration. I am downloading as we speak and will partition as soon as I get it burned to CD. I can at least get my disk partitioned this evening and do some reading. |
| 01:40.14 | nvzn | abrotman: btw, do you know anything about 2.6.17 kernel giving oops on boot? |
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| 01:40.29 | abrotman | nvzn: any more info than that ? |
| 01:40.37 | nvzn | sure, i can give you lots |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | lots ? :) |
| 01:40.57 | eeyore- | what a twit ... "homeowners buy a surge protector to protect from: a) electric current, b) water pressure, c) something or other ... d) buyer's remorse" ... college-attending twit answered "b) water pressure" |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | eeyore-: are you grading papers ? |
| 01:41.21 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, liveleak :-) |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:41.56 | nvzn | abrotman: you want dmesg's output instead? |
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| 01:41.57 | Red_Cloud | chemaja, I really appreciate you mentioning the Debian from Scratch. Everything that I learn can be directly applied to my current OS without having to relearn from gentoo to debian, if I have made myself understood. |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | !ops lOlitAs DCC |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: lOlitAs DCC |
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| 01:42.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: 'twas klined... |
| 01:42.49 | abrotman | oh .. sorry ... missed it |
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| 01:48.13 | eeyore- | bbl |
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| 01:58.41 | Arafangion | How do most people work with ftp? |
| 01:58.57 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: we avoid it as much as possible, and use lftp when we have to... ;-) |
| 01:58.57 | karsten | Arafangion: Disdainfully. |
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| 01:59.14 | Arafangion | How might I use ftp disdainfully ? :) |
| 01:59.34 | Arafangion | If possible, I'd like to actually mount it. |
| 02:00.00 | Arafangion | (Situation: Website needs editing, and it has ftp access) |
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| 02:00.23 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: I'd personnally use lftp's mirror to pull the entire site; edit it locally, and mirror itt back. |
| 02:00.35 | karsten | Arafangion: as dondelelcaro said, lftp, downloads, wget, etc. I avoid use of ftp for uploading due to the authentication exposure (unencrypted protocol). |
| 02:00.42 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Seems overkill if I only need to modify index.html |
| 02:00.54 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: well, if you only want to modify that, just get it, and put it back. |
| 02:00.58 | karsten | Arafangion: You might be able to use FUSE (the user-space filesystem). Otherwise what dondelelcaro said. |
| 02:00.59 | Arafangion | karsten: Not My Problem (TM) |
| 02:01.23 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: emacs and vim also have "edit files over (transport layer)" extensions... but I'm not all that familiar with them. |
| 02:01.28 | Arafangion | I am infact considering FUSE, either that or some kind of FTP aware editor (Perhaps some kind of vim plugin) |
| 02:01.32 | karsten | Arafangion: wget index.html. Edit it. Put it. You can also use remote-access in many editors (vim / emacsen) |
| 02:01.38 | roe | does anyone know if there is a terminal for linux that has the same features as the os x terminal, specifically when there is static content displayed (ie an ls) and the line is too long that it auto wraps to the next line, if I then resize the windows the lines rerenders? |
| 02:01.51 | karsten | Arafangion: Native AFAIK, haven't used it for reasons above. |
| 02:02.01 | karsten | Arafangion: rsync if you can swing it is *much* more sane. |
| 02:02.11 | Arafangion | karsten: rsync works with ftp? |
| 02:02.24 | karsten | Arafangion: No, it doesn't. |
| 02:02.26 | afaik | karsten, are you making fun of my native american heritage!? |
| 02:02.32 | afaik | HOW DARE YOU!! |
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| 02:03.01 | karsten | Arafangion: However, it works much better for what you're doing, assuming some level of control over the remote host (or its maintainers). |
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| 02:03.38 | Arafangion | roe: The OS X's terminal is *crap*, never-the-less, ls wraps automatically. |
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| 02:04.10 | Arafangion | roe: What terminal emulator are you currently using? |
| 02:04.26 | dondelelcaro | roe: almost everything that puts output to the screen wraps it inteligently itself based on the terminal size. |
| 02:04.30 | roe | gnome terminal 2.16.1 |
| 02:04.40 | afaik | I suppose next yer gonna call me "Chief" or sumthin |
| 02:04.59 | Arafangion | afaik: Yes, Chief. |
| 02:05.02 | RogerBacon | haha, great one, haha, great one, The classic Linux warning is not to type rm -Rf /* as root. Yes, you will erase your system. No, it will not be pretty. Yes, you will feel stupid. |
| 02:05.03 | roe | dondelelcaro, correct but when I change the terminal size I want the text to redraw correctly based on the new size |
| 02:05.07 | Arafangion | roe: I like urxvt, but that's just me. |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | Cap'n ? |
| 02:05.22 | dondelelcaro | roe: then pipe it into less, and use ^L. |
| 02:05.33 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: *sigh*, I am aware of that :( |
| 02:05.46 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: My friend typed in "sudo rm -rf /" a few weeks ago :( |
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| 02:06.00 | RogerBacon | Arafangion : its a joke ! |
| 02:06.21 | roe | dondelelcaro, I know how to work around it, I was just wondering if there was another terminal where I didn't have to work around it |
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| 02:06.26 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: It was meant to be, he was very surprised when it rendered my system unuseable. |
| 02:06.43 | maher | does anyone have a usb - ps2 keyboard mouse adapter that acctually works? |
| 02:06.49 | RogerBacon | Arafangion : a noob ? |
| 02:06.58 | krazykit | maher: i've used them with no issue in the past. |
| 02:07.05 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: He naively assumed that sudo asks for a password /every time/ |
| 02:07.09 | dondelelcaro | roe: not to my knowledge; redrawing like that causes as many problems as it helps. |
| 02:07.21 | maher | krazykit: well - wanna swap :) |
| 02:07.22 | mlowe | maher i had one that worked for logitech |
| 02:07.40 | Arafangion | roe: Give urxvt a go, it's nice, supports unicode, and is much, much, much faster than Gnome Terminal. |
| 02:07.44 | krazykit | maher: uh, they're just the cheap ones that come with logitech and dell keyboards |
| 02:07.56 | RogerBacon | Arafangion .... dont let's the noob using your computer |
| 02:08.05 | roe | Arafangion, is it in the repo? |
| 02:08.09 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: He's not really a noob. |
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| 02:08.20 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: Just knows enough to be dangerious. |
| 02:08.46 | Arafangion | RogerBacon: Probably as rxvt-unicode, but once installed, it'll be urxvt. Mind you, this system is Ubuntu. |
| 02:08.47 | RogerBacon | Arafangion : oh, ok. |
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| 02:09.18 | krazykit | Arafangion: well, do keep in mind that there is also an #ubuntu channel ;-) |
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| 02:10.00 | krazykit | even though it's painful to look at :-/ |
| 02:10.04 | nvzn | i get oops on boot with etch --> http://pastebin.ca/241271 |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | did you type tha tin ? |
| 02:10.39 | Arafangion | krazykit: Ubuntu just happens to work on this laptop. (Painful hardware, ATI drivers, wifi, etc) |
| 02:10.47 | Arafangion | krazykit: All my other systems use Debian. |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | nvzn: do you have hotplug hardware ? |
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| 02:11.13 | nvzn | no |
| 02:11.17 | nvzn | abrotman: no |
| 02:11.21 | krazykit | Arafangion: yeesh. bad luck then. i just nuked ubuntu on my laptop in favor of etch. haven't had a chance to do it to the desktop. |
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| 02:11.49 | abrotman | nvzn: blacklist that module |
| 02:11.56 | Arafangion | krazykit: Last I checked out Etch, there was wierd politics going on. Many of the drivers and packages I needed were simply removed. |
| 02:12.07 | Arafangion | krazykit: Which meant that I could not easily get wifi working. |
| 02:12.24 | nvzn | abrotman: how? |
| 02:12.31 | abrotman | !tell nvzn about blacklist |
| 02:12.33 | Arafangion | There was stuff that was present in both Sarge and Sid, but not in Etch :( |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | at least .. i think it's that module |
| 02:13.19 | krazykit | Arafangion: what packages? madwifi? |
| 02:13.22 | nvzn | abrotman: ok, i'll try |
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| 02:14.33 | Arafangion | krazykit: Some kind of brand new intel wifi. |
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| 02:15.26 | abrotman | marcymarc ? |
| 02:15.32 | Miesco | Is there a console countdown timer? |
| 02:15.52 | sanmarcos | yes abrotman my sweet heart? |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | Miesco: sleep ? |
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| 02:17.53 | Miesco | Isn't there some apd or something, atd? |
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| 02:18.18 | Arafangion | krazykit: Basically, my choice ultimately become: Sid, or Ubuntu. |
| 02:18.24 | Arafangion | krazykit: So I chose Ubuntu :) |
| 02:18.26 | krazykit | Arafangion: sid, then |
| 02:18.38 | krazykit | oh >_> |
| 02:18.46 | Arafangion | krazykit: Ubuntu is much nicer than Sid, believe me. |
| 02:19.08 | sanmarcos | indeed |
| 02:19.20 | h3sp4wn | I would take sid 100% |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | Miesco: atd exists .. yes |
| 02:19.22 | stranger_stone | Someone know some good cd label cover to linux? |
| 02:19.31 | sanmarcos | stranger_stone: glabels? |
| 02:19.49 | krazykit | i just can't stand the ubuntu help channel. people can't be bothered to google or learn to use ls... |
| 02:20.02 | stranger_stone | let`sme see |
| 02:20.08 | sanmarcos | its very newbie oriented yes, that is why you lie and come to #debian krazykit |
| 02:20.31 | nvzn | abrotman: blacklisting shpchp didnt help :( |
| 02:20.48 | stranger_stone | sanmarcos this let`s make cd covers ? to lightscribe ? |
| 02:20.55 | Arafangion | I found sid to be just too much work. |
| 02:20.57 | trout_` | hi |
| 02:20.58 | unixslut | sup? |
| 02:21.01 | sanmarcos | stranger_stone: dunno, it lets you design them |
| 02:21.04 | nvzn | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/241298 |
| 02:21.05 | abrotman | nvzn: contact the debian kernel team .. |
| 02:21.11 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: sid is nice if you want a bleeding edge desktop |
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| 02:21.27 | krazykit | mmm, bleeding edge. |
| 02:21.47 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: or if you are a debian developer. Nevertheless, between sid, and Ubuntu, ill stay with Ubuntu's 6 month releases, and polish |
| 02:21.48 | stranger_stone | sanmarcos i know lacie make one good software to lightscribe to linux i`m just try to use it thanks :) i think this willwork fine :) |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | nvzn: debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 02:22.01 | nvzn | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 02:22.09 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Ubuntu is, afterall, a nicely polished up Sid. |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | Arafangion: #ubuntu please |
| 02:22.38 | SniperJo | hi guys what is the best way or removing a package that gives an error when using apt-get remove? |
| 02:22.51 | abrotman | nvzn: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386497 |
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| 02:23.10 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: yep, but without the risk of getting broken packages |
| 02:23.52 | Arafangion | abrotman: You've jumped on the end of the conversation. :) |
| 02:24.04 | loca|host | howot mount an iso file in read-write mode ? |
| 02:24.06 | trout_` | unsure |
| 02:24.12 | unixslut | I'll think about it |
| 02:24.24 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Oh, it's _almost_ as bad as Sid in that regard, the biggest advantage is essentially a nicely maintained "snapshot" of Sid. |
| 02:24.34 | SniperJo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.37 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: But I much prefer Sarge to Ubuntu. |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: no .. i let it go a bit :) |
| 02:24.40 | maher | SniperJo: what error |
| 02:24.48 | abrotman | exit 0 |
| 02:24.51 | Arafangion | abrotman: You should know me better than that! |
| 02:24.56 | SniperJo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:25.12 | maher | SniperJo: what package |
| 02:25.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: Seriously :) |
| 02:25.22 | SniperJo | maher : webmin |
| 02:25.36 | SniperJo | webmin-core |
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| 02:26.06 | maher | SniperJo: try reading the post-inst script and see why it is dying |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | don't use webmin |
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| 02:26.44 | wireddd | does the etch installer default to gui or cli? |
| 02:27.11 | abrotman | cli |
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| 02:27.35 | Arafangion | wireddd: There is no important distinction between CLI and GUI with respect to installers. |
| 02:27.54 | Arafangion | wireddd: Except that of "Wow! Nice pictures!" (But that'd be less worksafe) |
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| 02:28.50 | wireddd | well I am going to use the gui, although my touch pad isn't working... |
| 02:28.52 | jazbo2185 | !marillat |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 02:29.16 | SniperJo | maher: http://paste.uni.cc/11425 |
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| 02:30.28 | Seb | i added a udev rule for a usb device on my computer, how do I "rerun" udev so it makes the changes I need for this device ? |
| 02:30.35 | krazykit | so i'm sure this has been hashed out... but debian's seriously going with the whole "rename firefox and thunderbird" thing? |
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| 02:31.02 | goingtomoonbrb | Which configuration file in debian sets the domain? |
| 02:31.10 | Seb | goingtomoonbrb: /etc/defaultdomain |
| 02:31.13 | maher | SniperJo: what version of debian are you running and how important is it to not trash the box you are using? |
| 02:31.24 | Seb | goingtomoonbrb: hmm no |
| 02:31.51 | goingtomoonbrb | I ran a whereis *domain* but found nothing |
| 02:31.57 | SniperJo | maher: very imporant that i dont lose it.. and i thinks its the latest |
| 02:32.29 | maher | SniperJo: stable / testing / unstable <-- pick on eof those |
| 02:32.38 | Arafangion | krazykit: It has to. :( |
| 02:32.45 | SniperJo | oh lol sorry Stable |
| 02:32.55 | Arafangion | krazykit: They have been given no choice :( |
| 02:33.10 | krazykit | man, i'm building my own packages then >:( |
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| 02:33.21 | Arafangion | krazykit: Why? |
| 02:33.26 | NoZy | hi guys |
| 02:33.27 | Arafangion | krazykit: It's just a name. |
| 02:33.35 | goingtomoonbrb | Anyone know where the config file for domain is/how to set the domain/DNS domain? |
| 02:33.36 | wireddd | hmm, so the etch gui installer isn't 100% just yet |
| 02:33.41 | krazykit | Arafangion: perhaps. but i need to keep my room warm. it's winter you know. |
| 02:33.59 | goingtomoonbrb | wireddd, it was easier for me to just dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 02:33.59 | Arafangion | krazykit: Ahh, well in that case, compile OpenOffice.org while you're at it. :) |
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| 02:34.15 | nvzn | abrotman: thanks, that ticket bug report was dead on |
| 02:34.16 | goingtomoonbrb | wireddd, though it broke a few things in the process, but hacking to fix them was half the fun :3 |
| 02:34.16 | krazykit | Arafangion: i have once. it took 9 hours. |
| 02:34.20 | maher | SniperJo: I don't run webmin, and I strongly recommend no one else does, but try installing webmin-core and then removing it |
| 02:34.35 | wireddd | goingtomoonbrb: installing etch isn't that bad, the gui installer just crashed is all |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | nvzn: append it if you can |
| 02:34.57 | nvzn | abrotman: roger |
| 02:35.05 | SniperJo | maher: same erro when installing |
| 02:35.21 | maher | SniperJo: try touch <missing file> |
| 02:35.23 | goingtomoonbrb | Anyone know where the config file for domain is/how to set the domain/DNS domain? |
| 02:36.13 | Arafangion | First Debian CD contains a heck alot of useful packages, though it's surprising that it doesn't include sudo. |
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| 02:36.16 | SniperJo | maher: thanks |
| 02:37.54 | wireddd | I prefer to do my installs with the businesscard cd |
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| 02:38.06 | maher | goingtomoonbrb: did you look at man hostname? |
| 02:38.46 | Arafangion | I'm also shocked that vim, or even a variant of vi isn't on the first cd! |
| 02:38.46 | goingtomoonbrb | Oh, I figured it wouldn't be the same file :/ |
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| 02:39.29 | goingtomoonbrb | maher, it says how to display the domain, not change it |
| 02:39.45 | goingtomoonbrb | besides |
| 02:39.47 | goingtomoonbrb | root@debian:/home/seraph# hostname -d |
| 02:39.47 | goingtomoonbrb | hostname: Unknown host |
| 02:40.31 | goingtomoonbrb | root@debian:/home/seraph# dnsdomainname |
| 02:40.31 | goingtomoonbrb | dnsdomainname: Unknown host |
| 02:40.36 | maher | goingtomoonbrb: my version of man hostname says use /etc/host.conf or /etc/hosts... |
| 02:40.39 | wireddd | goingtomoonbrb: what problems did you have when you tried to install etch? |
| 02:40.52 | goingtomoonbrb | wireddd, X and GNOME broke |
| 02:41.12 | goingtomoonbrb | Oh, you mean install |
| 02:41.13 | goingtomoonbrb | I couldn't get the packages I wanted to install right |
| 02:41.22 | goingtomoonbrb | so I just installed sarge and dist-upgraded |
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| 02:41.31 | goingtomoonbrb | I was a n00b back then, so I dunno. |
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| 02:42.09 | maher | goingtomoonbrb: sometimes packages in testing aren't installable because of ongoing transitions or something... |
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| 02:43.02 | goingtomoonbrb | maher, that's true. I was a noob then and didn't know that. |
| 02:43.11 | wireddd | etch sometimes requires a little atp-foo |
| 02:43.19 | goingtomoonbrb | man hostnames doesn't give me any usable syntax for editing those conf files though. |
| 02:43.24 | goingtomoonbrb | wireddd, yeah. |
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| 02:43.36 | abrotman | !domainname |
| 02:43.37 | goingtomoonbrb | I've broken stuff by forcing the installation of broken dependencies though |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:43.50 | maher | goingtomoonbrb: man hosts |
| 02:43.52 | goingtomoonbrb | and then had to downgrade or wait until the dependencies were met |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | !domain name |
| 02:43.56 | dpkg | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
| 02:43.57 | w32 | !open-iscsi |
| 02:44.45 | goingtomoonbrb | !hosts |
| 02:44.55 | w32 | !iscsi |
| 02:45.35 | goingtomoonbrb | root@debian:/home/seraph# man domainname |
| 02:45.35 | goingtomoonbrb | No manual entry for domainname |
| 02:45.36 | goingtomoonbrb | .T_T |
| 02:45.40 | goingtomoonbrb | stupid dpkg |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | stupid user |
| 02:46.10 | Arafangion | abrotman: You mean "stoopid user"? |
| 02:46.10 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman, it's not my fault the documentation isn't there |
| 02:46.15 | Arafangion | abrotman: Alternatively, "luser". |
| 02:46.22 | Arafangion | abrotman: Keeping the ancient joke alive :) |
| 02:46.25 | w32 | abortman remember my random IP issue ? |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | man dnsdomainname |
| 02:46.42 | abrotman | w32: yes |
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| 02:47.15 | abrotman | w32: was there more to that ? |
| 02:47.24 | w32 | abortman: I fixed it apparently a combo of some old net modules I updated to 2.6.15 and added the broadcast line |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | weird |
| 02:47.37 | w32 | to interfaces and that seems to have resolved it |
| 02:47.46 | w32 | I thought .255 was the default |
| 02:47.59 | w32 | so it shouldn't have mattered |
| 02:48.07 | w32 | maybe a heartbeart bug ? |
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| 02:49.47 | tim | yo, i'm trying to change resolution thru gnome and I keep having trouble doing it. i think I messed up my lcd display options during install, that'd probably do it, except for the fact that I had someone else remote access and they saw it too. what'm I doing wrong? |
| 02:50.21 | xai | is there a debian response to the novell-ms agreement? if so where please. |
| 02:50.22 | w32 | abrotman: know of another isci initiator for debian other than open-iscsi or linux-iscsi, I compiled open-iscsi and it seems to be running but it doesn't actually work right wants to read a config file from /var/db/iscsi/*db |
| 02:50.30 | w32 | no such file though |
| 02:50.40 | DaveyB | I have got Mozilla 1.75 and everytime I try and display a WMV file it says x-mplayer2 needed in order to view the file. So i checked which packages I have installed I have the mozilla-mplayer, mplayer and totem-mozilla. What am I missing? |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | w32: create the file ? |
| 02:51.15 | krazykit | DaveyB: w32codecs |
| 02:51.34 | DaveyB | krazykit, yep got 232codecs as well installed. |
| 02:51.52 | w32 | I thought that might be a logical approach but the entire directory structure below /var/ ? |
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| 02:52.50 | Skiver | tim: what resolution are you going after ? |
| 02:53.00 | tim | 1024 768 from 800600 |
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| 02:53.23 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 02:53.23 | darrh00 | I use 1440 900 |
| 02:53.23 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:53.26 | hayduke | The Nvidia 8776 drivers won't install because the environment variable for the compiler is wrong |
| 02:53.30 | tim | i can show you what i mean if you want |
| 02:53.39 | hayduke | What environment variable do I need to change to what? |
| 02:53.46 | hayduke | (I remember doing this before) |
| 02:53.48 | Skiver | tim: sure. |
| 02:53.57 | w32 | abrotman :I guess I just thought that if I compiled it right and make install worked and it is running, in a perfect world it would have created the necessary structure and files |
| 02:54.28 | w32 | not surprised if I did something wrong |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | might have to read some docs :) |
| 02:54.40 | DaveyB | Any other ideas why my browser is having problems? |
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| 02:54.59 | w32 | hahah yeah they are pretty clear, nothing really jumps out at me though |
| 02:55.23 | DaveyB | This is me plugins list: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JxvhYN73.html |
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| 03:01.25 | hayduke | How do I specify the CC environment variable to say gcc-4.0? |
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| 03:03.05 | abrotman | CC=<blah> <command> |
| 03:03.06 | hayduke | export $CC gcc-4.0? |
| 03:03.12 | hayduke | oohhh |
| 03:03.18 | hayduke | I'm going to try that |
| 03:03.20 | hayduke | Thanks abrotman |
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| 03:04.42 | FernandoMM | Hello i have just upgraded mysql 4 to mysql 5 and now my php applications can't connect on mysql, how can i fix this? |
| 03:05.20 | eggleston | hey i was just thinking, is there a version of 'skifree' for linxu? |
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| 03:05.45 | krazykit | eggleston: oh, that'd be sweet. i know the windows one works fine in wine |
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| 03:05.55 | Arafangion | FernandoMM: What'd you expect? |
| 03:05.57 | krazykit | but maybe call it freeski |
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| 03:06.08 | Arafangion | FernandoMM: You upgraded one version of MySQL to another major version. |
| 03:06.48 | FernandoMM | Arafangion: ok, i'm just wondering how can i fix this? |
| 03:06.48 | eggleston | krazykit, serous? awesome. i've always wondered what use i would ever have for wine |
| 03:07.05 | krazykit | eggleston: dunno if you can find a binary though. |
| 03:07.38 | Arafangion | FernandoMM: Remove MySQL5, install MySQL4, and restore your data from backups, alternatively upgrade your php applications if they have been updated to use MySQL5 |
| 03:08.27 | Skiver | DaveyB, can you show me the page you are loading ? |
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| 03:08.31 | _rnz- | The mouth was gagged and the hands bound. |
| 03:08.32 | _rnz- | The police believe the man was killed elsewhere and the body dumped in Brandon Hill. |
| 03:08.32 | _rnz- | Meanwhile, the police are also trying to establish a motive for the killing of 29-year-old taxi driver, Brian Lewis, otherwise called "Jah Rule" of a Norwood address in St. James. |
| 03:08.34 | _rnz- | http://www.radiojamaica.com/news/story.php?category=2&story=29731 |
| 03:08.44 | Arafangion | These spammers are getting annoying. |
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| 03:08.45 | abrotman | !ops please ban the repeated troll _rnz- |
| 03:08.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: please ban the repeated troll _rnz- |
| 03:08.46 | DaveyB | http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13276&type=wmv&pl=game |
| 03:08.49 | DaveyB | Skiver, http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13276&type=wmv&pl=game |
| 03:08.53 | DaveyB | That's the page sorry |
| 03:09.01 | abrotman | or perhaps spammer is a better description |
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| 03:09.31 | FernandoMM | Arafangion: but what do i have to change on this applications? won't they use mysql_connect() and stuff like it? |
| 03:09.53 | Arafangion | FernandoMM: The whole point of a major version change is that there are incompatible changes. |
| 03:10.15 | krazykit | eggleston: http://ski.ihoc.net/ |
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| 03:12.16 | Arafangion | FernandoMM: As for how to fix it so that it can use the latest version, I don't 'know - I use Postgresql. |
| 03:12.26 | Skiver | DaveyB, I can't view it too. hold on. |
| 03:12.44 | devios | anyone know of a guide for how to set up (jailed?) shell accounts on a server? |
| 03:13.01 | devios | like the stuff that vps providers give ya? |
| 03:13.10 | devios | is that possible on debian? |
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| 03:13.47 | krazykit | eggleston: also, your linux version of skifree: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnuski/ |
| 03:14.12 | h3sp4wn | devios: xen / vserver or uml (or maybe the open version of virtuoso) |
| 03:14.13 | eggleston | krazykit, it can't be exactly the same can it? microsoft owns the liscence |
| 03:14.31 | FernandoMM | Arafangion: if you don't mind, i would like to know what i'm supposed to do when etch become stable and i have to upgrade to mysql5 ? I'm using sarge now. |
| 03:14.42 | krazykit | eggleston: seems to be. |
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| 03:15.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@user-24-236-120-166.knology.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 03:15.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he was banned for a while before too |
| 03:15.37 | eggleston | abrotman, dondelelcaro what he do? |
| 03:15.56 | oopsi8abug | I had to break the install to write the resolve.con file. how do I restart the install on debian |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | eggleston: spammer |
| 03:16.05 | dendrite | FernandoMM: The usual approach is to set up a test server with the new environment, mirror your apps there, and test. |
| 03:16.14 | maher | FernandoMM: you can keep the mysql4 binaries - but you won't get security support - you can either maintain your own copy of mysql4 or port your php to mysql5 |
| 03:16.20 | devios | h3sp4wn: ty |
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| 03:16.41 | ryanium | whats up with all these spammers? |
| 03:16.50 | ryanium | that is so sick |
| 03:16.52 | oopsi8abug | anyone? |
| 03:16.53 | NoZy | guys what the best way to update debian ? |
| 03:17.08 | krazykit | ryanium: meh. get as big as freenode and it's bound to happen |
| 03:17.16 | krazykit | NoZy: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:17.18 | dendrite | NoZy: What is your current flavor, and what are you upgrading to? |
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| 03:17.34 | ryanium | its so disrespectfull |
| 03:17.38 | ryanium | so you know what this calls |
| 03:17.38 | ryanium | for |
| 03:17.42 | ryanium | ddos! lol ;) |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | ryanium: it was you |
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| 03:17.56 | ryanium | haha you caught me |
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| 03:18.02 | ryanium | not :\ |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | no .. it was |
| 03:18.13 | ryanium | ? |
| 03:18.24 | oopsi8abug | I did a minimal install and have no packages. I had to break the install because of resolve.conf any suggestions to restart the install |
| 03:18.31 | ryanium | no lol, for sure wasn't me |
| 03:18.37 | abrotman | yes .. it was |
| 03:18.41 | eggleston | abrotman, coolies. |
| 03:18.44 | ryanium | i just got back from g/f's house from the weekend |
| 03:18.47 | eggleston | krazykit, you compile that gnuski? |
| 03:18.52 | tester912 | i have a wireless router that has a 192. ip on my network.. by default. the network is 10. how can i connect to the wireless with my browser so i can change its config |
| 03:18.54 | abrotman | then you wouldn't know about the spammer |
| 03:19.12 | krazykit | eggleston: nah, not today. i ahve a paper to write |
| 03:19.20 | ryanium | abrotman, xchat, i scrolled up because this channel was high lighted red |
| 03:19.20 | dendrite | oopsi8abug: Probably the most reliable way would be to start over. |
| 03:19.30 | abrotman | ryanium: you joined AFTER he was kicked |
| 03:19.36 | ryanium | who? |
| 03:19.42 | oopsi8abug | if I start over the dhcp doesn't get writting right during the intall |
| 03:19.43 | h3sp4wn | devios: I am using xen (just messing about with it really) but there are commercial companies using each of those 3 |
| 03:19.52 | NoZy | dendrite, look for that now ( think its 3.1 rcX ) openoffice is out of date and I know you can get this update using somethinging with atp-get |
| 03:19.56 | ryanium | i didn't even spam! |
| 03:19.57 | oopsi8abug | resolve.conf |
| 03:19.58 | Red_Cloud | is there a package for degragging linux? |
| 03:20.06 | NoZy | krazykit, thanks man |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: defragging ? |
| 03:20.08 | Red_Cloud | "defrag" |
| 03:20.10 | ryanium | someone show me where i said that sick ass shit in here lol |
| 03:20.13 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: not needed |
| 03:20.22 | widrone | oopsi8abug: You can start a shall on a different termainal and type it up perhapps? |
| 03:20.22 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thank you very much! |
| 03:20.24 | abrotman | ryanium: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 03:20.26 | eggleston | krazykit, i'll stop annoying you then, but i can't get it to work. it's non-standard |
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| 03:20.40 | ryanium | negative i just kinda idle around in here |
| 03:20.47 | oopsi8abug | it is a guin install there is no shell |
| 03:20.49 | hayduke | Why is there no WINE package in 64-bit Debian? |
| 03:20.50 | widrone | oopsi8abug: Like alt +F5 and press enter or something I seem to remember working |
| 03:20.53 | tester912 | how can i connect to a box on my subnet that is a 192. the subnet is a 10... i need to ssh to it to change its IP |
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| 03:21.06 | widrone | oopsi8abug: Then alt + f1 back to your installer still doing its thing |
| 03:21.20 | dendrite | oopsi8abug: Can you fix your dhcp server? Or, you can configure your networking manually... |
| 03:21.30 | widrone | oopsi8abug: shall being shell, but you guessed that? =) |
| 03:21.38 | krazykit | eggleston: nah, i can put it off for 5 minutes. lemme see if i can't build it |
| 03:21.49 | FernandoMM | Arafangion: i have just downgraded to mysql 4 |
| 03:21.50 | BucWheat | what is up with my apache2.conf i tried removing the MPM stuff to just have StartServers, etc. and i get an error stating that MinSpareServers is an incorrect directive. what gives? |
| 03:21.55 | FernandoMM | and still got the error |
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| 03:22.10 | maher | tester912: can you plug a wire into the router? set up a machine with a 192 wired interface... |
| 03:22.11 | dendrite | tester912: Create an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0:1, and put that virtual interface at the 192 block. |
| 03:22.21 | oopsi8abug | the dhcp works right but linux reads it wrong and writes its own resolv.conf |
| 03:22.26 | tester912 | thnaks dendrite |
| 03:22.29 | tester912 | :q |
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| 03:22.47 | adrakoa | hi |
| 03:23.13 | oopsi8abug | my dhcp works right with windows and mac just not linux |
| 03:23.20 | adrakoa | ctrl + alt + f[1-6] from x doesn't work, any advice? |
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| 03:23.32 | dendrite | oopsi8abug: Then configure it manually... |
| 03:23.35 | oopsi8abug | when I run the installer it dies because I can't resolve a mirror |
| 03:23.49 | oopsi8abug | it dosn't let you during the installer |
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| 03:24.19 | dendrite | oopsi8abug: ALT+F2, edit /etc/resolv.conf ... |
| 03:24.19 | oopsi8abug | too late now |
| 03:24.19 | dendrite | oopsi8abug: ALT+F1 to get back. |
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| 03:24.45 | goingtomoonbrb | I fixed my network problems btw |
| 03:24.50 | goingtomoonbrb | Thanks to everyone who helped me |
| 03:24.50 | krazykit | eggleston: ah, read the readme, it'll tell you how to compile it |
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| 03:24.59 | goingtomoonbrb | Just basically specified EVERYTHING in dhclient.conf and that fixed it. |
| 03:25.13 | krazykit | eggleston: oh, rofl. it's the vt100 version |
| 03:25.19 | oopsi8abug | there is no way jsut to start the install agin? |
| 03:25.25 | oopsi8abug | I just need the packages |
| 03:25.55 | maher | oopsi8abug: how did you stop the install? |
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| 03:26.21 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 03:26.28 | oopsi8abug | clicked to the finished |
| 03:26.41 | lkthomas | how could I untar a specific dir from a tar file ? |
| 03:27.13 | abrotman | tar xf blah.tar fileyouwant |
| 03:27.16 | NoZy | dendrite, does not debain have a unstable for apt get ? |
| 03:27.18 | g333k | how to do to have enable the NUM LOCK key as default every time I load my debian? |
| 03:27.23 | abrotman | man tar shuld cover that |
| 03:27.29 | eggleston | krazykit, i read the readme and i did what it said exactly, but it gave me some output i didn't understand and then it ended. what command to run the prog? |
| 03:27.35 | eggleston | krazykit, what's vt100? |
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| 03:27.46 | oopsi8abug | is there a command for a base install? |
| 03:27.51 | maher | oopsi8abug: umm - what state is your box in atm? |
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| 03:28.14 | krazykit | eggleston: from that dir, do ./gnuski.o, or something like that. it doesn't seem to work well though... |
| 03:28.21 | oopsi8abug | maher i am in a shell but that is it |
| 03:28.26 | adrakoa | howto resolve the problem with ctrl + alt + f[1-6], it doesn't work from x.. |
| 03:29.00 | maher | oopsi8abug: i dunno - try running tasksel or something |
| 03:29.05 | Skiver | DaveyB, there ? |
| 03:29.08 | eggleston | krazykit, yeah it's crap lol. ah well. wine-ing the windows one will do me |
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| 03:29.45 | phealy | OK, quick question. apt-get is about to make a bunch of changes I don't want made. is there any easy way to tell it to forget the changes it's about to make? |
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| 03:29.59 | oopsi8abug | damit I can't install debian |
| 03:30.03 | DaveyB | Skiver, My problem was that I had two plugins loaded mplayer/VLC :) removed VLC and it's all OK |
| 03:30.11 | DaveyB | oopsi8abug, what's wrong with the installation? |
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| 03:30.19 | maher | phealy: say no or ctrl-c? |
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| 03:30.33 | lkthomas | abrotman, what's the diff on command between untar specific dir or untar everything into that dir ? |
| 03:30.42 | oopsi8abug | when I try and install it wants ot go to a mirror but the resolve.conf is wrong |
| 03:30.45 | abrotman | lkthomas: huh ? |
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| 03:30.53 | oopsi8abug | I have ot leave the install to change it but I can't get back |
| 03:30.56 | fellacious | lkthomas: see 'man tar' |
| 03:30.58 | abrotman | phealy: how bad is it ? |
| 03:30.59 | phealy | maher: the changes were made through dpkg --set-selections; it tries to do them on any upgrade |
| 03:31.14 | phealy | abrotman: this is for a friend, but I think it's trying to remove a bunch of packages he wants |
| 03:31.20 | abrotman | you can set package status with dpkg to anything |
| 03:31.31 | phealy | he was trying to duplicate a package setup with --get-selections and --set-selections (from an old machine to a new one) |
| 03:32.02 | phealy | ok, he managed to fix it with set-selections |
| 03:32.04 | phealy | thanks |
| 03:32.27 | tester912 | what default gateway should my 192. eth0:1 have? |
| 03:32.27 | maher | phealy: oh - if you know what you want to change you can do it manually with dpkg --set-selections, or use something like dselect or funkier newer guis |
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| 03:32.45 | phao | i am getting error on make install in bash 3.2 - http://rafb.net/paste/results/CpC5nE92.html - someone can help me? |
| 03:32.46 | abrotman | tester912: uhm .. we have no idea .. ask your network administrator |
| 03:32.49 | lkthomas | abrotman, can you show me untar the whole tar file into a dir, and untar a specific dir from a tar file please ? |
| 03:33.11 | maher | tester912: it doesn't need a gateway - you need just need to talk to the other ox... |
| 03:33.18 | maher | tester912: s/ox/box |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:33.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:33.29 | abrotman | talk to the other ox! |
| 03:33.39 | eggleston | what's the command to unmake something from source that i have made? |
| 03:34.00 | tester912 | maher i am getting a timeout... 192.168.1.1 is a normal cdir class C right? |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | make uninstall .. usually |
| 03:34.19 | krazykit | eggleston: if there's no make file, just delete the files. |
| 03:34.29 | eggleston | krazykit, ther'es a make file |
| 03:34.38 | krazykit | eggleston: then make uninstall. |
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| 03:34.40 | maher | tester912: does route -n say something sensible |
| 03:34.55 | abrotman | lkthomas: -C ? |
| 03:35.10 | tester912 | maher i thnk so.. but i am not very proficient at it |
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| 03:36.09 | lkthomas | abrotman, so -C is for untar to a dir, right ? |
| 03:36.15 | tengulre | I want install a new debian in my machine, I don't know what is primary and local partition? |
| 03:36.21 | abrotman | read the man page . i think that's what you're looking for |
| 03:36.37 | eggleston | abrotman, i installed a prog called TiLP from the repos, then i tried to compile the source of TiLP2 (the next version) and when i tried to run it with 'tilp' which is that the TiLP2 readme said, it came up with TiLP 1. so i uninstalled the TiLP1 and then i recompiled the TiLP2, now i'm trying to uninstall TiLP2 and reinstall it. |
| 03:36.55 | abrotman | make uninstall |
| 03:37.13 | abrotman | and hopefully it will work |
| 03:37.43 | eggleston | abrotman, yeah, it's my last hope to get my Ti84+ calc connected |
| 03:37.55 | phao | i am trying to install bash 3.2 and i am getting this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CpC5nE92.html - can anyone help me? |
| 03:38.05 | abrotman | eggleston: it's just a calculator :) |
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| 03:38.25 | tester912 | maher i am getting no route to host |
| 03:38.46 | abrotman | bad netmask ? |
| 03:39.12 | tester912 | abrotman u talking to me? |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:39.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:39.32 | tester912 | inet addr:192.168.1.254 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
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| 03:40.10 | abrotman | and what's your gateway .. route -n |
| 03:40.19 | eggleston | abrotman, lol sure, but i'm doing year 12 and i need it to be able to do some stuff that it doesn't come with. they expect you to be able to put these programs on there, and i can't cos i don't have windows. |
| 03:40.22 | FernandoMM | Hi, i just can't make php connect to mysql (all my aplications except phpmyadmin). This is what i get "Lost connection to MySQL server during query". Could someone try to help me? |
| 03:40.30 | abrotman | eggleston: year 12? |
| 03:40.37 | eggleston | abrotman, yeah high school. |
| 03:40.41 | tester912 | 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:40.44 | abrotman | eggleston: oh |
| 03:40.51 | krazykit | eggleston: the really bad option would be to install windows in vmware, assuming you had a legal copy. |
| 03:40.58 | abrotman | tester912: that's not your gateway |
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| 03:41.22 | abrotman | eggleston: do you need them in class or for homework ? |
| 03:41.30 | eggleston | krazykit, a) i have no idea what vmware is, and b) i don't really even want windows, i just want this to work. if i get really desperate i can always get someone esle to put them on there for me |
| 03:41.41 | tester912 | ah bingo.. its ip is 192.168.123.254 not 1.1 |
| 03:41.43 | tester912 | brb |
| 03:41.49 | eggleston | abrotman, a little of both. it's not REALY important, but i'd like it to work if possible. |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | eggleston: i was just asking because i think there's a graphing calculator app in debian |
| 03:42.35 | eggleston | abrotman, ah... there is? |
| 03:42.46 | abrotman | graphmonkey is one |
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| 03:42.49 | eggleston | abrotman, i'm getting an error when i try to make, can you read it and tell me what you think? |
| 03:43.03 | abrotman | gcalctool ? |
| 03:43.08 | abrotman | eggleston: paste it |
| 03:43.09 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:43.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:43.33 | Wyzard | eggleston: If it's just a one-time thing, you could use someone else's Windows computer |
| 03:43.54 | eggleston | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4371 |
| 03:44.22 | abrotman | eggleston: which version of debian ? |
| 03:44.27 | eggleston | Wyzard, yeah, and i guess i'll have to, but if i can get it working with not too much difficutly on here, then that'd be better |
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| 03:44.33 | eggleston | abrotman, i THINK i have etch, not sure. |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | nice :) |
| 03:44.52 | oopsi8abug | ok you win I am starting over |
| 03:44.55 | eggleston | abrotman, i did dist-upgrade, but i don't seem to see much graphical difference |
| 03:45.07 | tester912 | hmm now i cant get eth1:1 up or down |
| 03:45.10 | eggleston | Wyzard, is that the TI rival? |
| 03:45.18 | tester912 | ifdown: interface eth1:1 not configured |
| 03:45.40 | Wyzard | eggleston: Pretty much, yeah |
| 03:45.40 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, ifconfig eth1 up ? |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | eggleston: where can i get the source ? |
| 03:45.59 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, also try configuring it in dhclient.conf and running dhclient eth1 |
| 03:46.01 | tester912 | goingtomoonbrb yes |
| 03:46.01 | goingtomoonbrb | that worked for me |
| 03:46.16 | tester912 | goingtomoonbrb i just need a static IP |
| 03:46.17 | tester912 | for now |
| 03:46.24 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, thats all I needed |
| 03:46.30 | tester912 | ? |
| 03:46.39 | goingtomoonbrb | I just followed the example in man dhclient.conf |
| 03:46.47 | goingtomoonbrb | copy and pasted it actually and changed/commented out what I needed |
| 03:46.57 | goingtomoonbrb | specified the static IP I wanted |
| 03:47.00 | goingtomoonbrb | and boom, it worked |
| 03:47.09 | eggleston | abrotman, http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/374/37480.html |
| 03:47.32 | goingtomoonbrb | Though I guess it's only really relevant if you have a dhcp server running somewhere on your net >.> |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | eggleston: dpkg -l linux-headers* .. get anyhting ? |
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| 03:49.06 | eggleston | abrotman, common headers for 2.6.17 |
| 03:49.29 | abrotman | package name is ? |
| 03:49.38 | tester912 | hmm ok.. it says my gateway is 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:49.43 | abrotman | that's wrong |
| 03:49.45 | eggleston | abrotman, nb; i installed with sarge cd's, then downloaded the 2.6.17 kernel and the 2.6.17 headers, then i dist-upgraded |
| 03:49.55 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, in where? |
| 03:49.58 | abrotman | oh .. it's self compiled ? |
| 03:50.02 | goingtomoonbrb | ifconfig eth1 says this? |
| 03:50.07 | abrotman | eggleston: are you ircing from the box ? |
| 03:50.14 | tester912 | i think.. maher how do i tell the gateway ? |
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| 03:50.33 | widrone | heey, d-i etch rc1 for the nslu2. Thats just begging for a little testrun, Im sending virtual thanks if anyone here is involved in making that happen. |
| 03:50.35 | eggleston | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4372 |
| 03:50.38 | eggleston | abrotman, yes i am |
| 03:50.51 | goingtomoonbrb | [22:41] <tester912> ah bingo.. its ip is 192.168.123.254 not 1.1 |
| 03:50.54 | abrotman | eggleston: in your irc window ... /exec -o cat /proc/version |
| 03:51.03 | eggleston | Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-8~bpo.1) (nobse@backports.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Fri Sep 8 20:25:32 UTC 2006 |
| 03:51.21 | abrotman | eggleston: your headers don't match your kernel |
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| 03:51.44 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, have you tried running dhclient eth1 ? |
| 03:52.02 | eggleston | abrotman, bugger. should that be an issue? |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | eggleston: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 03:52.26 | FernandoMM | i'm having some serious problems with mysql-server, php just can't connect to it, here is the strange part http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=2871 |
| 03:52.49 | goingtomoonbrb | !paste |
| 03:52.50 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | FernandoMM: ask #mysql |
| 03:53.07 | eggleston | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4373 |
| 03:53.24 | abrotman | eggleston: paste your sources |
| 03:53.25 | tester912 | hmmm seems the route is messed up.. maher goingtomoonbrb |
| 03:53.28 | Wyzard | FernandoMM: looks like the server is failing to start |
| 03:53.29 | FernandoMM | abrotman: i guess this problem is more related to debian than mysql |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | eggleston: run apt-get update first .. try again |
| 03:53.36 | FernandoMM | Wyzard: actually it is starting |
| 03:53.40 | tester912 | goingtomoonbrb sill cant get to it on that ip |
| 03:53.42 | Wyzard | FernandoMM: That's why it fails when trying to kill it, because it isn't running |
| 03:53.43 | FernandoMM | i can connect using phpmyadmin |
| 03:53.44 | maher | tester912: set the route with the route command... |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | FernandoMM: mysql is messed .. you lost your permission table |
| 03:53.52 | tester912 | maher what route should i have |
| 03:53.56 | FernandoMM | abrotman: how can i recover it? |
| 03:54.04 | eggleston | abrotman, same error |
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| 03:54.07 | FernandoMM | is there a way? |
| 03:54.09 | abrotman | nfc .. this is why i don't use mysql :) |
| 03:54.14 | abrotman | eggleston: paste your sources |
| 03:54.30 | pingouin | what is that ?! : [17:29] [MonNetwork] DCC SEND from karsten_21 [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger |
| 03:54.40 | Wyzard | I'm sure it's possible to fix, but I don't use mysql so I don't have experience with troubleshooting it |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | pingouin: ignore it .. and don't paste that again |
| 03:54.48 | nalioth | pingouin: please don't paste those types of things |
| 03:55.02 | FernandoMM | abrotman: but how can i get and empty one |
| 03:55.03 | FernandoMM | ? |
| 03:55.09 | abrotman | FernandoMM: it's mysql? :) |
| 03:55.19 | FernandoMM | abrotman: yes |
| 03:55.30 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, try this http://channels.debian.net/paste/4374 |
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| 03:55.40 | pingouin | relax i just ask, just saw that in status window, wonder what is it, it say "requested in channel #debian" |
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| 03:55.49 | abrotman | FernandoMM: maybe rerun the postinst script .. but i don't know what happens if you rerun that |
| 03:55.51 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, can you ping your router ATM? |
| 03:55.51 | eggleston | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4375 |
| 03:55.58 | abrotman | pingouin: it's superbad .. kicks people with bum routers |
| 03:56.06 | xjkx | apt-get install opera says its not available, i use testing and unstable source, whats wrong |
| 03:56.11 | FernandoMM | abrotman: do you mean dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-4.1 |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | pingouin: google for the dcc exploit or something if you really want ot know |
| 03:56.18 | abrotman | xjkx: opera.com |
| 03:56.38 | goingtomoonbrb | tester912, Oh, and if you use what I pasted, make sure you change the interface value to eth1... I forgot to do that |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | eggleston: you're using sarge with backports apparently |
| 03:56.43 | pingouin | hmm nervous about that |
| 03:56.52 | abrotman | pingouin: just don't repeat it and you won't have a problem |
| 03:56.56 | nalioth | pingouin: /msg ubotu dcc if you wish |
| 03:56.59 | xjkx | abrotman, you mean its not in apt?i like installing on apt :> dependences installed and such |
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| 03:57.20 | abrotman | xjkx: right .. grab the .deb from opera.com |
| 03:57.37 | eggleston | abrotman, okay, so why am i getting that error with the kernel? |
| 03:58.08 | abrotman | eggleston: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 .. paste it |
| 03:58.23 | xjkx | abrotman, but then i'd have to install with dpkg, and its not automatic detecting depences and versions of dependences :> |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | xjkx: dpkg -i <blah.deb> && apt-get -f install |
| 03:58.52 | xjkx | rocks |
| 03:58.54 | xjkx | ty |
| 03:58.58 | eggleston | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4376 |
| 03:59.32 | FernandoMM | abrotman: do you mean dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-4.1 ? |
| 03:59.54 | abrotman | FernandoMM: i think you have to rerun the postinst script .. but i don't use mysql .. wait for someone that actually does to show up |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | eggleston: apt-cache search linux-image .. |
| 04:00.18 | FernandoMM | ok, thanks |
| 04:00.45 | eggleston | abrotman, about 40,00 files showed up. you want me to donwload one? |
| 04:00.57 | abrotman | 40000 ? |
| 04:01.07 | abrotman | eggleston: /j #flood |
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| 04:01.56 | oopsi8abug | ok we are almost installed yay |
| 04:02.57 | oopsi8abug | what does apic error on cpu mean? |
| 04:03.11 | FernandoMM | abrotman: it seens like i have fixed this with dpkg-reconfigure ( http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=2872 ) but i can't connect with php ( except phpmyadmin ). All other programs like postfix, pureftpd are using it correctely |
| 04:03.30 | oopsi8abug | apic error on cpu0 40:40 |
| 04:03.35 | abrotman | then don't muck with it :) |
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| 04:03.56 | bvk | newbie-question: Can anybody help me with console-mode resolution problem? See http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0849jr9.jpg |
| 04:04.07 | widrone | oopsi8abug: I think there is a bootflag called "noapic" you may try to boot with thu, if that helps. |
| 04:04.08 | bvk | i am using debian etch on macbook |
| 04:04.22 | abrotman | eggleston: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 linux-headers-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 04:04.43 | oopsi8abug | widrone how do I open an new shell during install? |
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| 04:05.17 | oopsi8abug | nevermind alt f1 |
| 04:05.25 | widrone | oopsi8abug: alt + Fn etc... |
| 04:05.40 | oopsi8abug | it keeps popping up apic error cpu0 |
| 04:05.48 | widrone | The installer is on f1, there should be a log on 3 if I remember correctly. |
| 04:06.07 | eggleston | abrotman, it's getting the files. could take a while, it's 20meg and i'm on a slow connection |
| 04:06.23 | abrotman | eggleston: how slow? |
| 04:06.35 | widrone | oopsi8abug: But my memory is from the sarge installer, and Im in a ssh session to this etch install thingy im trying out with. You? |
| 04:06.44 | Wyzard | oopsi8abug: If it's causing problems, you can boot the installer with the "noapic" option at the boot prompt |
| 04:06.44 | eggleston | abrotman, 256 |
| 04:06.48 | abrotman | eggleston: hopefully those will match and you'll be able to find direct.h |
| 04:07.05 | abrotman | the only other direct.h is from the directfb stuff .. and i doubt the tilp uses that |
| 04:07.09 | eggleston | abrotman, i have no idea what direct.h is. does that mean the make will work? |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | eggleston: we hope so |
| 04:07.40 | Skiver | DaveyB: where did you get moz-mplayer ? |
| 04:07.53 | eggleston | abrotman, but it requires a restart into the 2.6.18-1 kernel? |
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| 04:08.22 | abrotman | yeah . |
| 04:08.36 | oopsi8abug | it doesn't seem to be causing problems just keep popping up |
| 04:09.09 | eggleston | abrotman, so seeing as it's a newer kernel than i'm using now, i should just use it permanently once i'ts installed? |
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| 04:09.21 | abrotman | probably .. but it's up to you |
| 04:10.16 | oopsi8abug | I start connecting to mirrors but it then looses connection what is a good mirror? |
| 04:10.25 | abrotman | eggleston: thanks for reminding me why i don't use gentoo :) |
| 04:10.47 | eggleston | abrotman, ??? gentoo is another OS isn't it? what's wrong with it? |
| 04:10.57 | abrotman | compiling .. |
| 04:11.13 | abrotman | not that compiling itself is bad .. but it can be a pain some days :) |
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| 04:12.16 | widrone | oopsi8abug: A close one is often prefered. |
| 04:12.41 | eggleston | abrotman, i like dpkg's message about not using gentoo because it's a greenhouse gas creator |
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| 04:12.46 | oopsi8abug | shoot I can ping yahoo.com but I can't get anything from mirrors |
| 04:12.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:13.32 | ToxicSun | abrotman how do i make files from command line |
| 04:13.40 | abrotman | touch <file> |
| 04:13.40 | ToxicSun | tough? |
| 04:13.43 | ToxicSun | er |
| 04:13.44 | ToxicSun | my bad |
| 04:13.44 | ToxicSun | tough |
| 04:13.47 | ToxicSun | damnit |
| 04:13.48 | ToxicSun | touch |
| 04:13.50 | ToxicSun | haa |
| 04:13.55 | abrotman | !enter |
| 04:13.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 04:14.01 | ToxicSun | sorry for flooding, thank you abrotman |
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| 04:15.22 | abrotman | eggleston: done yet ? |
| 04:15.32 | eggleston | 3.5 mins |
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| 04:16.38 | abrotman | whoa |
| 04:16.43 | oopsi8abug | none of the mirrors in the installer have 64 bit packages |
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| 04:17.47 | eggleston | abrotman, i wanna get a login screen with a penguin on it, make it feel more genuine |
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| 04:18.06 | abrotman | eh . ok |
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| 04:19.25 | lexton | I need to reconfigure /etc/apache2/ |
| 04:19.28 | eggleston | abrotman, okay it's downlaoded. is it automatically in GRUB? |
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| 04:20.02 | widrone | "Unpacking the base system..." gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, Im not wierd am I? ;) |
| 04:20.03 | abrotman | should be |
| 04:20.32 | lexton | this doesn't help -> dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 04:20.51 | eggleston | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4377 |
| 04:21.01 | oopsi8abug | well can't install 64 for some reason going back to ubuntu |
| 04:21.14 | widrone | oopsi8abug: http://amd64.debian.net/debian may be what youre after. |
| 04:21.34 | abrotman | eggleston: cute .. and it doesn't tell you the bad value |
| 04:21.40 | oopsi8abug | Ya i am doing what it says but it fails to dl 64 bit |
| 04:21.52 | widrone | oopsi8abug: But this is sot of pulled from memory, so please do a googlebit. amd64 is not my cup of tea |
| 04:21.55 | eggleston | abrotman, cute? not for me! :S |
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| 04:22.11 | abrotman | eggleston: try it again |
| 04:22.19 | oopsi8abug | ya it installed ok but doing a network install is failing to find packages |
| 04:22.28 | eggleston | abrotman, lol, the old denial approach. |
| 04:22.53 | eggleston | abrotman, same error |
| 04:22.54 | abrotman | eggleston: yeah .. and sadly .. i have to hit the sack soon |
| 04:22.59 | jthigpen | I have a question about MIME types and alternatives |
| 04:23.12 | abrotman | eggleston: bah ... purge the packages if you can |
| 04:23.15 | oopsi8abug | don't feel right installing debian 32 on my 64 bit machine |
| 04:23.23 | oopsi8abug | 64 won't install |
| 04:23.31 | eggleston | abrotman, sorry if i'm keeping you up, but you don't have any idea why this happened? a different kernel maybe might help? |
| 04:23.31 | abrotman | eggleston: we're going to try -17- |
| 04:23.34 | oopsi8abug | thanks for your help but ubuntu works |
| 04:24.07 | abrotman | eggleston: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* .. paste it |
| 04:24.41 | FernandoMM | abrotman: it seens like this is a bug with the packages on dotdeb, i guess this is working now |
| 04:24.50 | abrotman | you shouldn't be using those |
| 04:24.50 | eggleston | abrotman, it's in flood |
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| 04:25.08 | abrotman | eggleston: dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 04:25.43 | eggleston | abrotman, rmdir: `/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686': Directory not empty |
| 04:25.48 | widrone | oopsi8abug: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 04:25.58 | eggleston | abrotman, but i don't think that's an issue. everything else seemed to work fine |
| 04:26.01 | abrotman | eggleston: that's the only thing it said ? |
| 04:26.15 | abrotman | eggleston: run the same COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 04:26.32 | eggleston | abrotman, nah it said heaps but i thought that was the only bit that was neccesarety to paste |
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| 04:27.12 | eggleston | abrotman, it's in flood |
| 04:27.24 | abrotman | eggleston: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 04:27.45 | eggleston | abrotman, linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 is already the newest version. |
| 04:28.13 | abrotman | well .. damn it .. wtf for direct.h is it looking for? |
| 04:29.12 | abrotman | eggleston: updatedb && locate direct.h |
| 04:30.05 | eggleston | abrotman, it appears to be loading or something. |
| 04:30.15 | eggleston | abrotman, i can hear the HD clicking over |
| 04:30.31 | abrotman | loading or something ? |
| 04:31.09 | wireddd | why isn't userspace suspend compiled into the stock etch kernel? |
| 04:31.45 | eggleston | abrotman, it's not giving output put the HD is making noise |
| 04:32.03 | Wyzard | eggleston: updatedb takes awhile |
| 04:32.11 | abrotman | eggleston: it's doing work :) |
| 04:32.29 | abrotman | eggleston: did you install the libraries too ? |
| 04:32.30 | eggleston | Wyzard, abrotman my PC is pretty slow these days :D |
| 04:32.37 | abrotman | http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/374/37479.html |
| 04:32.38 | abrotman | those ? |
| 04:33.39 | eggleston | abrotman, yeah they all compiled fine |
| 04:34.08 | eggleston | abrotman, when i first tried to configure TiLP it asked for those, so i compiled them and it went smooth, didn't ask for them again |
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| 04:34.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 04:35.34 | eggleston | abrotman, it's finished |
| 04:35.38 | abrotman | locate direct.h |
| 04:35.40 | abrotman | anything ? |
| 04:36.30 | eggleston | abrotman, flood |
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| 04:38.07 | abrotman | eggleston: which freaking direct.h is it looking for ... |
| 04:38.10 | eggleston | abrotman, beats me! |
| 04:38.15 | dansushi | i'm having trouble playing midis on my computer. Whenever i open them, (no matter what program), it says something like /dev/sequencer is already in use, though i know it's not. Does anyone else have this problem? or know how to fix it? |
| 04:38.31 | abrotman | eggleston: apt-get install libdirectfb-dev .. that'll be the last one available in sarge i think |
| 04:38.34 | eggleston | abrotman, i haven't restarted since that kernel update. is that a problem? |
| 04:38.49 | abrotman | no |
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| 04:38.58 | abrotman | you didn't actually install that kernel |
| 04:39.27 | abrotman | and that package i gave you wasn't available in sarge |
| 04:39.55 | eggleston | abrotman, that libdirect one is installed |
| 04:40.31 | abrotman | eggleston: you're going to have to contact the software author and ask them the magic trick you need to get this going |
| 04:40.44 | eggleston | abrotman, lol okay. thanks very much for all your time. |
| 04:40.48 | eggleston | sleep well. |
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| 04:40.58 | abrotman | eggleston: i'd love to know the solution though if they help you |
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| 04:41.04 | abrotman | eggleston: or come back tomorrow ... ask again! |
| 04:41.24 | eggleston | abrotman, i might try emailing them, but i doubt they'll know what to do. i'll come back tomorrow i think :P |
| 04:41.34 | abrotman | eggleston: they hsould know which direct.h that is |
| 04:42.31 | wireddd | how do I increase the speed of my touchpad by 10x? |
| 04:42.48 | eggleston | abrotman, yeah, so i'll paste the error and ask what direct.h they're looking for? |
| 04:42.56 | abrotman | eggleston: something like that |
| 04:43.33 | eggleston | :P |
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| 04:52.31 | wireddd | hmm nothing I do seems to effect the speed of my touchpad |
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| 05:00.15 | netdaemon | ah |
| 05:00.18 | netdaemon | hardware question here |
| 05:00.27 | netdaemon | anyone have luck with bcm43xx-fwcutter? |
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| 05:09.21 | Rusty1 | netdaemon: there's a bunch of posts in the ubuntu forums regarding bcm43xx, look there |
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| 05:22.19 | coywolf | !icedov |
| 05:22.22 | coywolf | !icedove |
| 05:22.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 05:22.35 | Drakeson | !w3m |
| 05:22.35 | dpkg | w3m is probably don't use w3m on powerpc, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2001/msg00087.html (DSA 081-2) |
| 05:22.42 | Drakeson | !w3m-el |
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| 05:22.58 | krazykit | remember, you can always msg the bot too... |
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| 05:23.24 | coywolf | what about firefox? |
| 05:23.34 | krazykit | iceweasel. |
| 05:23.35 | netdaemon | !iceweasel |
| 05:23.35 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 05:23.42 | Drakeson | doesn't seem to answer that one. |
| 05:23.45 | Drakeson | !w3m-el |
| 05:23.45 | coywolf | what about firefox? does firefox have the similar problem as thunderbird? |
| 05:23.56 | krazykit | they're both affected. |
| 05:24.03 | coywolf | netdaemon, thanks |
| 05:24.09 | netdaemon | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 05:24.16 | netdaemon | gah... |
| 05:24.24 | netdaemon | anyone had luck with the above mentioned? |
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| 05:25.07 | krazykit | netdaemon: i've used it no problem |
| 05:25.20 | krazykit | one of the microcodes don't extract, but you don't need that one anyway. |
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| 05:29.26 | netdaemon | krazykit: mind helping a n00b to it =)? |
| 05:29.38 | netdaemon | or at least pointing to some documentation that isn't half assed |
| 05:31.11 | krazykit | uh, sure. |
| 05:31.43 | krazykit | netdaemon: use this fw file: http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o |
| 05:32.06 | krazykit | sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /path/to/wl_apsta.o |
| 05:32.14 | krazykit | that should be it |
| 05:32.23 | netdaemon | ah, which chipset do you have? |
| 05:32.31 | krazykit | the 4318 chipset |
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| 05:32.37 | krazykit | which is going into the garbage tomorrow afternoon |
| 05:32.47 | netdaemon | that will work on a 4310 or a 4312? |
| 05:32.55 | krazykit | it should, afaik. |
| 05:32.56 | d0uglas_ | good move, broadcom sux |
| 05:33.16 | krazykit | 4311 and 4306 are ok now, but the 4318 is totally broken |
| 05:33.20 | krazykit | even by broadcom standards |
| 05:33.31 | krazykit | i'm getting one with a ralink chipset :-D |
| 05:33.57 | netdaemon | so just modprobe bcm43xx now/ |
| 05:34.13 | krazykit | i believe so, yes |
| 05:34.18 | netdaemon | hm |
| 05:34.22 | h3sp4wn | krazykit: atheros make better radio's however (but the hal taints the kernel) |
| 05:34.46 | netdaemon | ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 05:34.46 | netdaemon | ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.7 |
| 05:34.46 | netdaemon | ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com> |
| 05:34.46 | netdaemon | bcm43xx driver |
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| 05:34.59 | netdaemon | w00ps |
| 05:35.01 | netdaemon | =\ |
| 05:35.02 | krazykit | h3sp4wn: yes, but they also cost about 40 bucks more than i wanted to spend |
| 05:35.06 | netdaemon | i guess thats good news then |
| 05:35.26 | hanasaki | how do i tell mdadm to add a 2nd disk into the raid1 array? |
| 05:36.41 | Drakeson | !w3m-el |
| 05:36.48 | Drakeson | don't be shy bot! |
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| 05:44.30 | netdaemon | krazykit: any other modules i need to load? not seeing this thing in ifconfig -a |
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| 05:45.08 | krazykit | meh. try iwlist scan |
| 05:45.24 | krazykit | i just know broadcom cards aren't worth the trouble. |
| 05:45.59 | netdaemon | it came with my laptop =( |
| 05:46.08 | netdaemon | i need to crack the thing open and replace it |
| 05:46.18 | krazykit | mine takes 2 screws to get to :-P |
| 05:46.26 | netdaemon | not sure about mine |
| 05:46.31 | netdaemon | i havn't cracked it open yet |
| 05:46.32 | krazykit | but i must be off. biological report beckons. |
| 05:46.32 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 05:48.22 | parsonsd | argh! # something has changed and X no longer loads glx in the module.... |
| 05:49.19 | parsonsd | ...X still loads, but everytime Xscreensaver tries to run a GL screensaver, X bombs. |
| 05:49.36 | Guerin_ | parsonsd: solution: don't use gl screensavers |
| 05:50.07 | Guerin_ | parsonsd: i presume you're using broken proprietary drivers? |
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| 05:51.03 | parsonsd | Guerin_ : blobs! the only way! |
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| 05:52.24 | parsonsd | Guerin_ ... well, they are pretty screensavers, but I can't actually even turn them off... the Xscreensavers' panels loads them as a demo and X blows up. |
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| 05:53.04 | parsonsd | Guerin : i tried editing out (commenting,really) the lines in ~/.xscreensaver, but it still loads the screensaver |
| 05:53.18 | ruben_ | Hi, I have a program running on localhost port 5222, I want that the people from internet can connect to this port using iptables, why this rules does not work? or what is the way? |
| 05:53.21 | ruben_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 5222 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5222 |
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| 05:54.04 | wols | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 32459 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:32459 |
| 05:54.12 | wols | is what I do, and which works |
| 05:54.17 | ruben_ | it's localhost |
| 05:54.59 | wols | what you do is port forwarding. you don't need portforwarding if the machine the daemon runs on has a public IP... |
| 05:55.11 | ruben_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 5222 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:5222 |
| 05:55.15 | ruben_ | like this? |
| 05:55.17 | parsonsd | Guerin the other thing that bugs me is that I've gotten a number of patches since i upgraded to testing and finally restarted the system -- up till this morning, those lovely eyecandy screen savers played wonderfully. after restart, no dice |
| 05:55.23 | wols | no |
| 05:55.36 | wols | you don't need anything except open the port. NO portforwarding |
| 05:55.45 | parsonsd | er.. restarted after upgrading, first system restart since then... |
| 05:55.50 | Wyzard | ruben_: If the connection is coming to port 5222 on localhost and you want it to go to port 5222 on localhost, you don't need to redirect it... |
| 05:56.19 | wols | parsonsd: does other 3D stuff work? e.g. games, glxgears, whatever? |
| 05:56.41 | ruben_ | no no, the program listen on port localhost, so I want that the people can connect to this port |
| 05:56.42 | parsonsd | wols: i haven't tried the others things ... what is glxgears? |
| 05:57.02 | wols | something to test if you fscked up your hardware 3D support |
| 05:57.16 | parsonsd | wols: i know that glx isn't loaded, cos the mesg output on display 0:0 says so |
| 05:57.22 | wols | ruben_: why is it listening on localhost only if you want to make it accessible from the public net? |
| 05:57.37 | parsonsd | er, mesg output on /var/log/xorg.log.0 |
| 05:57.38 | wols | parsonsd: then fix it duh! |
| 05:58.00 | Wyzard | parsonsd: Are you using nvidia? |
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| 05:58.07 | ruben_ | wols: because the program or bind all interfaces or bind on localhost |
| 05:58.12 | parsonsd | wols: well, yeh. trying to tie down where its trying to load .. |
| 05:58.14 | ruben_ | strange, but real |
| 05:58.25 | parsonsd | i think i found all the logs, but i'm getting ...er. .. lost |
| 05:58.28 | wols | ruben_: and? you want to make it accessible fromt he internet. what's wrong with all interfaces? |
| 05:58.37 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Hey, remember me from last night? The guy with the broken hard drive? |
| 05:58.40 | ruben_ | not all ports |
| 05:58.41 | Wyzard | yes |
| 05:58.45 | wols | parsonsd: answer Wyzard |
| 05:58.46 | ruben_ | only 5222 |
| 05:58.51 | ruben_ | not 9090 (web admin) |
| 05:59.08 | ruben_ | so all ports on localhost and 'the way to use' 5222 to public |
| 05:59.14 | Wyzard | ruben_: nobody said anything about listening on all ports |
| 05:59.16 | parsonsd | wyzard: yeh, an older tnt2, the last one the nvidia ppl say is usable for that card |
| 05:59.17 | ruben_ | do tou understand me :( ? |
| 05:59.20 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Would you mind having a look at this smartmontools output and telling me what you think? (there are two output pastes in the same text, the lower one should interest you) |
| 05:59.24 | Wyzard | ruben_: You want it to listen to port 5222 on all *interfaces* |
| 05:59.33 | ruben_ | yes |
| 05:59.35 | Wyzard | parsonsd: Did nvidia-glx get upgraded recently? |
| 06:00.04 | _knoppix | What's parsonsd's problem? Maybe I can help |
| 06:00.18 | ruben_ | It's not possible to do internet -> REDIRECT -> localhost:5222 -> INTERNET? |
| 06:00.26 | parsonsd | wyzard : hm. i don't know that. is that loaded with apt? i was under the impression that was only loaded from the driver |
| 06:00.37 | _knoppix | Wyzard? |
| 06:00.38 | Wyzard | parsonsd: nvidia-glx is the actual X driver |
| 06:00.39 | parsonsd | _knoppix: nvidia driver no longer loads glx. |
| 06:00.44 | wols | ruben_: it is. but it's not the best way to do what you want |
| 06:00.47 | Wyzard | parsonsd: It depends on the kernel module |
| 06:00.59 | ruben_ | wols: if so, what's the way? |
| 06:01.01 | Wyzard | parsonsd: If the driver gets updated and you don't compile the new kernel module to go with it, it won't work |
| 06:01.11 | wols | ruben_: close port 909ß with iptables |
| 06:01.17 | _knoppix | parsonsd: Using the official package or Debian's packages? |
| 06:01.23 | Wyzard | _knoppix: Where's the smartmontools output? :-) |
| 06:01.31 | _knoppix | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/241449 |
| 06:01.47 | ruben_ | Wyzard: yes, is another solution |
| 06:01.49 | ruben_ | thanks |
| 06:01.49 | _knoppix | Someone else said it's become a paperweight.... |
| 06:02.30 | parsonsd | wyzard: you mean a kernel module? the funny thing with it is that i've seen kernels update and at that point, x will refuse to load -- here x loads, but won't load the glx driver only |
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| 06:02.37 | wols | _knoppix: it will. fairly soon probably |
| 06:02.43 | parsonsd | _knoppix: official from nvidia |
| 06:02.54 | _knoppix | parsonsd: Just reinstall it, solves the problem in most cases |
| 06:02.59 | wols | parsonsd: then you must recompile your nvidia drivers |
| 06:03.17 | _knoppix | also, make sure the x-config-path=/ is correct |
| 06:03.36 | Wyzard | Using the package is preferable |
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| 06:03.42 | parsonsd | _knoppix: i browsed the debian install procedures, and decided i didn't follow them... |
| 06:04.10 | Wyzard | _knoppix: definitely looks like a defective drive |
| 06:04.18 | Wyzard | _knoppix: not completely dead, but dying |
| 06:04.18 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Shite... :( |
| 06:04.25 | parsonsd | wols: this is weird tho.... *sigh* |
| 06:04.33 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Not completely dead? You think I can get any data off? |
| 06:04.40 | Wyzard | _knoppix: Get any data off it that you can, and look into warranty service |
| 06:04.46 | wols | it's NOT weird. you either have new X or new kernel-> recompile time |
| 06:04.49 | Wyzard | _knoppix: dunno, but you can try |
| 06:04.59 | _knoppix | Wyzard: How? |
| 06:05.05 | _knoppix | It refuses to mount |
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| 06:05.24 | Wyzard | _knoppix: IIRC, you said earlier that fsck doesn't work, right? |
| 06:05.42 | xjkx | [OFF-TOPIC] i did never get that, there is a floppy 1.4, and other 3.5, is it only their size?what is it?CM?inchs? |
| 06:05.53 | _knoppix | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda1 |
| 06:05.53 | _knoppix | Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 06:05.56 | Wyzard | Was that because of disk I/O errors, or just because it can't make sense of the data? |
| 06:06.02 | _knoppix | fsck's output ^ |
| 06:06.02 | Wyzard | ok |
| 06:06.10 | Wyzard | looks like it's running into read errors |
| 06:06.15 | wols | knoxy: it already IS a paperweight. TK0NF means "track 0 not found" |
| 06:06.35 | _knoppix | shit. |
| 06:06.37 | wols | your partition table is on track 0 |
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| 06:06.40 | _knoppix | No hope for data recovery then? |
| 06:06.43 | Wyzard | xjkx: inch, but I've never heard of a 1.4 |
| 06:06.51 | Wyzard | xjkx: There's 3.5" and 5.25" |
| 06:06.54 | wols | try spinrite |
| 06:07.04 | wols | xjkx: there is no 5.25" anymore |
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| 06:07.10 | _knoppix | wols: Know anywhere I can download spinrite 6 for free? |
| 06:07.16 | _knoppix | Spinrite 5 seems quite old |
| 06:07.32 | Wyzard | _knoppix: first priority should be to do a raw copy of the disk to somewhere safe, so you don't lose more data if the disk degrades further |
| 06:07.33 | wols | there is 3,5, 2,5" (10k rpm and bigger, notebooks, servers), 1,8" (microdrives) and possibly smaller (for PCMCIA ones) |
| 06:07.39 | xjkx | ty |
| 06:07.47 | wols | you can't. it's proprietary payware |
| 06:08.04 | krazykit | _knoppix: you'll just have to fork over the cash for it. |
| 06:08.10 | _knoppix | wols: Never heard of BitTorrent? :P |
| 06:08.32 | krazykit | _knoppix: no piracy talk here. |
| 06:08.36 | wols | _knoppix: never heard of "Copyright infringement"? We take licenses seriously on debian |
| 06:08.39 | xjkx | Wyzard, is zipdrive a magnetic disk? |
| 06:08.46 | Wyzard | yes |
| 06:08.47 | wols | xjkx: yes |
| 06:08.55 | xjkx | thanks |
| 06:08.58 | wols | but those are 3,5" or so |
| 06:09.24 | xjkx | mm, wols cdrom is what cathegory? |
| 06:09.28 | _knoppix | wols: Fine, I won't talk about it. :) |
| 06:09.35 | wols | xjkx: do your own homework |
| 06:10.12 | xjkx | wols, you guys are too scared with that, people study besides their homework |
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| 06:10.31 | wols | xjkx: we also don't like lazy people who don't wanna read wikipedia |
| 06:10.41 | _knoppix | Anyhow, someone said something about switching the IDE cables last night, what was that about again? |
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| 06:11.04 | wols | get a new IDE cable since those cables have shitty quality and like to break |
| 06:11.29 | xjkx | wols, whatever. |
| 06:11.31 | _knoppix | Ah, right. |
| 06:11.31 | pengwyn | My dog chews on IDE cables |
| 06:11.38 | Wyzard | _knoppix: I'd suggested trying a different cable in case it was the cable that had failed, but your SMART results show that the drive ran into errors during an internal self-test that has nothing to do with the cable |
| 06:11.43 | pengwyn | ~woof~ |
| 06:11.45 | wols | knoxy: speaking of wikipedia: read up on spinrite on wikipedia |
| 06:11.48 | Wyzard | _knoppix: so your cable is not suspect anymore |
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| 06:12.08 | _knoppix | Ok |
| 06:12.25 | pengwyn | my dog also chews on sata cables *W00f* |
| 06:12.37 | wols | !chew pengwyn |
| 06:13.06 | pengwyn | hmm? /msg apt & chew out pengwyn? |
| 06:13.57 | pengwyn | or /msg !club the baby seals with laser beam |
| 06:14.17 | pengwyn | i dunno anymore.. |
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| 06:20.13 | parsonsd | well, that worked like a charm. |
| 06:20.48 | parsonsd | thanks Wyzard & wols |
| 06:21.05 | parsonsd | i should know that routine by now.... |
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| 06:21.43 | parsonsd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.03 | jair | what is happening ? |
| 06:38.12 | jair | everybody is dropping connection? |
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| 06:39.53 | iLLf8d | jair, huh theres 650 ppls in channel |
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| 06:40.33 | krazykit | jair: either a netsplit or some lamer using a d/cc exploit |
| 06:41.36 | Cueball|Laptop | Hi all. I have recently added the gld deamon (which has cut down my spam by 95%) to my postfix installation but it has broken my smtpd. I can still send from the box it'self using sendmail but smtp just reply's with relay access denied. |
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| 06:43.00 | pstickne | is there a good graphing/calculator application that deb distributes? |
| 06:43.42 | dondelelcaro | pstickne: there are quite a few, from R to octave to gnuplot to... |
| 06:45.10 | pstickne | what's the easiest way to find a list of things in a category like this? |
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| 06:46.08 | Cueball|Laptop | pstickne, synaptic has a good search but I usually use apt-cache search <keyword> |
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| 06:52.16 | chemaja | pstickne, aptitude's debtags browser |
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| 06:53.42 | jair | I see |
| 06:54.00 | jair | hey guys if I want to start compiling a kernel where should I start? |
| 06:54.19 | Tallu | www.kernel.org ;) |
| 06:54.49 | pstickne | there is a nifty howto-compile-a-kernel-in-debian guide |
| 06:55.02 | pstickne | that is, if you want to turn it into a package first, etc, etc |
| 06:55.10 | chemaja | i'd imagine wiki.debian.org should be the first place for most things |
| 06:55.21 | chemaja | at least it should be :D |
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| 06:56.32 | chemaja | in other news, it sucks how packaging of freenx to debian has seemingly stalled... does anyone even use freenx? |
| 06:56.58 | kyuss | Um, for the termios struct (see manpage #termios), VTIME is the time setting and VMIN is the min setting? |
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| 06:59.00 | Cueball|Laptop | I have recently added the gld deamon (which has cut down my spam by 95%) to my postfix installation but it has broken my smtpd. I can still send from the box it'self using sendmail but smtp just reply's with relay access denied. |
| 06:59.13 | Cueball|Laptop | Anyone know what the prob is? |
| 06:59.35 | pstickne | "relay access denied" sounds important. what daemon is telling you that? |
| 06:59.47 | Cueball|Laptop | postfix. |
| 07:00.09 | pstickne | what do your rules say? |
| 07:00.20 | g333k | Hi, I'm installing joomla and I have to decompress it in /var/www, but I cant do it as a common user... Do I have to change the modify the atributes of /var/www ? |
| 07:00.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:00.24 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:00.28 | Cueball|Laptop | It's only since adding the greylist demon. |
| 07:00.36 | kyuss | rule #1, you do not talk about fight club. |
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| 07:01.07 | pstickne | g333k, you can't change the security as a common user either ;) |
| 07:01.25 | pstickne | g333k, get the admin to install it, or install it into a user/account public-www location. |
| 07:01.29 | g333k | pstickne, but I'm root |
| 07:01.49 | pstickne | then why... |
| 07:02.38 | g333k | pstickne, My doubt is, if it is ok to change the atributes of /var/www |
| 07:02.45 | Tallu | pstickne: the lord works in mysterious ways |
| 07:03.33 | g333k | any clue? |
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| 07:05.32 | Cueball|Laptop | g333k, Changing the attributes of /var/www/ should be fine. |
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| 07:05.46 | Cueball|Laptop | Who is the owner and group of it at current? |
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| 07:06.42 | g333k | Cueball|Laptop, root/root |
| 07:07.04 | Cueball|Laptop | Just change the dir to 777 |
| 07:07.07 | g333k | Cueball|Laptop, Do I change the attributes? or the group/owner? |
| 07:07.21 | g333k | Cueball|Laptop, but this is not safe |
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| 07:08.15 | evilgeek | hm. |
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| 07:08.42 | evilgeek | is there a way to compile a single module from a kernel source tree that has already produced a working kernel, but without recompiling everything? |
| 07:08.43 | Cueball|Laptop | Well it will mean that any user on your system can write to the dir but the file's that your user create's won't be changeable by user b unless they have permission |
| 07:09.01 | evilgeek | annoyingly, 'make drivers/foo/bar.ko' doesn't do it. |
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| 07:10.46 | wols | evilgeek: make modules. the magic of make does the rest |
| 07:11.44 | evilgeek | i do not believe that 'make modules' compiles all modules. i believe it compiles only those modules that have been selected to compile as modules. |
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| 07:12.15 | evilgeek | (a 'make modules' that actually made all modules, regardless of whether it had been asked to make those particular modules, would be useful, yes.) |
| 07:12.37 | evilgeek | (and, indeed, 'make modules' did not compile iptables. boo.) |
| 07:13.03 | wols | have you set iptables stuff as modules? |
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| 07:14.42 | evilgeek | no, i didn't. |
| 07:15.03 | MoDaX | evilgeek: yes. cd /path/to/the/module/dir && make -C /path/to/the/kernel/sources M=`pwd` modules ; more info http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x181.html or /path/to/the/kernel/sources/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt (iirc) |
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| 07:17.27 | evilgeek | that also seems to compile only those modules that were specified at configuration-time. |
| 07:18.13 | peterS | evilgeek: if you want a 'make modules' that compiles all modules, you can first do 'make allmodconfig' or something like that |
| 07:18.16 | MoDaX | evilgeek: do you want to compile external module? |
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| 07:19.45 | evilgeek | MoDaX: i want to compile iptables, but i was too dumb to specify that i wanted it when i configured the kernel. |
| 07:21.13 | MoDaX | evilgeek: change config and recompile. or modify Makefile |
| 07:21.57 | evilgeek | recompiling the kernel is a huge drag, though. |
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| 07:22.44 | peppet | evilgeek: almost only new selected modules will be compiled |
| 07:23.03 | evilgeek | peppet: that has not been my experience. |
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| 07:27.40 | Arafangion | I've just installed a very minimal Debian. |
| 07:27.51 | Arafangion | However, there is no /etc/resolv.conf file! Why not? |
| 07:28.53 | Arafangion | Sarge is very different to Potato :) No vim, no vi, no lynx, no... :) Everything's changed :) |
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| 07:29.30 | evilgeek | the /etc/resolv.conf file is maintained by this weird little script called resolvconf. |
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| 07:29.46 | evilgeek | your first order of business upon installing sarge should be to apt-get remove resolvconf. |
| 07:29.49 | krazykit | Arafangion: well, think about it. Mr Potatohead has a great big space to hold all of that. The Army Men are lacking in such capacity ;-) |
| 07:29.54 | Arafangion | evilgeek: Thanks. |
| 07:30.04 | evilgeek | then you install vim, then you write /etc/resolv.conf so that it works. |
| 07:30.21 | Arafangion | krazykit: Still, why the heck didn't it install teh canonical unix editor? (And no, I don't mean ed) |
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| 07:30.48 | evilgeek | i take that back. your first order of business should be to get rid of udev. your *second* order of business should be to remove resolvconf and replace it with a working resolv.conf file. |
| 07:30.48 | krazykit | dunno. i personally HATE vim with the feiry passion of a thousand hot suns. |
| 07:30.58 | Arafangion | evilgeek: I happen to _like_ udev |
| 07:31.15 | evilgeek | udev doesn't play particularly nicely with LDAP. |
| 07:31.27 | krazykit | well... maybe not 1000, maybe only a couple |
| 07:31.46 | Arafangion | evilgeek: How so? |
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| 07:32.30 | jel | evilgeek: yes, how so? |
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| 07:33.14 | krazykit | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg206318.html |
| 07:33.30 | krazykit | first hit on google for ldap udev ;-) |
| 07:33.37 | Arafangion | evilgeek: I don't seem to have resolvconf |
| 07:33.40 | Arafangion | evilgeek: :) |
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| 07:33.55 | jel | Arafangion: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:34.12 | mathesis | hi |
| 07:34.14 | evilgeek | Arafangion: oh, good. so that one was just a passing fad? |
| 07:34.28 | mathesis | i love e17 its cool |
| 07:34.32 | Arafangion | evilgeek: Hopefully, but as far as fads go, resolvconf couldn't have been that bad. |
| 07:34.38 | krazykit | mathesis: hell yeah it is! |
| 07:34.51 | krazykit | i've been running it as my primary WM for more than a year |
| 07:34.52 | Arafangion | evilgeek: Once upon a time, I had to deal with msec, on MDK :( |
| 07:35.23 | mathesis | krazykit: you have enlightenment17 |
| 07:36.04 | krazykit | mathesis: indeed. it's one of the first things i do on a new install. |
| 07:36.04 | Arafangion | mathesis: Enlightenment version 17 is very commonly referred to as "E17" |
| 07:36.18 | krazykit | or dr17 |
| 07:36.22 | mathesis | i amm compiling E17 |
| 07:36.58 | Arafangion | evilgeek: I'm actually returning to Debian after a brief foray into OpenBSD :) (All my other servers have been largely untouched, and still running Debian) |
| 07:37.03 | krazykit | as long as you use something other than raster's silly default theme. |
| 07:37.19 | mathesis | i have pentium iii + 154 en ram +debian+E17 wm |
| 07:37.29 | Skaag | Arafangion: why did you come back if I may ask? |
| 07:37.48 | Arafangion | Skaag: Debian's much faster. |
| 07:37.57 | Arafangion | Skaag: And easier to maintain. |
| 07:38.01 | Skaag | system performance or udpates? |
| 07:38.09 | Arafangion | Skaag: Definetly both. |
| 07:38.14 | mathesis | krazykit: you are in the mailist enlightenment? |
| 07:38.20 | Skaag | ok, thanks :) |
| 07:38.54 | Skaag | because i've been having thoughts here and there, about giving it a try |
| 07:39.00 | krazykit | mathesis: yep. |
| 07:39.15 | mathesis | wow |
| 07:39.23 | Skaag | you know, their slogan, security out of the box, etc. |
| 07:39.24 | mathesis | i am too |
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| 07:39.45 | Arafangion | Skaag: Don't get me wrong, it's a VERY nice OS. |
| 07:40.14 | mathesis | krazykit: where are you from? |
| 07:40.17 | krazykit | mathesis: that's absolutely fascinating. |
| 07:40.20 | evilgeek | Arafangion: resolvconf was just annoying. |
| 07:40.22 | mathesis | yep |
| 07:40.27 | Arafangion | Skaag: And if you want to do unix programming, its' VERY nice for that as well. I've never seen anything like it. |
| 07:40.33 | krazykit | mathesis: ohio, USA |
| 07:40.40 | mathesis | its nice,cool,pretty |
| 07:40.43 | Arafangion | evilgeek: As annoying as something that randomly changed your privilages 5 minutes after you change them? |
| 07:40.56 | Arafangion | evilgeek: File permissions and the like, I mean. |
| 07:41.13 | mathesis | krazykit: do you speak spanish? |
| 07:41.30 | evilgeek | Arafangion: it's something that waits until you're not looking and then deletes your DNS configuration. |
| 07:41.58 | evilgeek | unless you go to some obscure place and do a certain magical jig. then it'll replace it with the right-hand side of your magical jig. |
| 07:42.27 | Arafangion | Still, at least you know when it changes it. |
| 07:42.50 | Arafangion | You don't go: Ok, fixed the security settings, then one week later discover that people can access your confidental documents! |
| 07:43.07 | Arafangion | So you change it so they can't, then not much later you discover that they can access your confidental docs again! |
| 07:43.10 | evilgeek | (what's this thing that randomly changes file permissions, anyway? i seem to remember such a thing running on the machines at school.) |
| 07:43.16 | krazykit | mathesis: nope. german. |
| 07:43.47 | evilgeek | (it would crawl around and remove general write permissions from everything it saw.) |
| 07:43.54 | mathesis | you have screnshot of machine debian +e17? |
| 07:44.05 | mathesis | *screenhots |
| 07:44.25 | krazykit | mathesis: yeh. lemme dig it up |
| 07:44.35 | mathesis | oks |
| 07:44.58 | mathesis | up the more cool |
| 07:45.06 | krazykit | mathesis: http://thephlogiston.com/misc/pics/screenshots/full.jpg |
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| 07:45.35 | Arafangion | Hmm, I've forgotten where to find the list of mirrors and the line to put into source.list |
| 07:45.44 | Arafangion | *sources.list |
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| 07:46.10 | Arafangion | !sources | me |
| 07:46.17 | Arafangion | !sources |
| 07:46.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 07:46.51 | Arafangion | apt-setup is out of date. |
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| 07:48.09 | Arafangion | Ahh, found it, the mirror I was using just wasn't setup properly, I guess. |
| 07:48.53 | topsoil | I have a synaptics touchpad on my laptop, and I've loaded the Synaptics touchpad driver for X11, however, with or without using the synaptics driver, my scroll buttons don't work properly. Left/right/up scroll all send 'left click' while 'down' scroll sends a right click. What could be the problem? |
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| 07:50.37 | Humanoid | Let's say I have a package X installed, how do I find the list of other installed packages that depend on X? |
| 07:51.27 | insmod | Humanoid: apt-get will tell you |
| 07:51.48 | Arafangion | How do I know what line to put into my sources.list? |
| 07:51.56 | trout_` | not sure |
| 07:52.02 | Arafangion | def ftp://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 07:52.06 | insmod | Arafangion: for what |
| 07:52.10 | Arafangion | Or do I need to have the ...org/debian |
| 07:52.11 | Arafangion | Or waht? |
| 07:52.25 | Arafangion | insmod: Basically, the line I just provided doesn't work. |
| 07:52.28 | Skaag | Arafangion: that's deb, not def |
| 07:52.47 | Arafangion | Skaag: Oops, typo :) |
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| 07:53.12 | Skaag | Arafangion: I suggest you use apt-spy to generate the best source lines for your region |
| 07:53.25 | Humanoid | insmod: How? The only way I know is to try to remove the packages, and read the error messages. But I want to do it without trying to remove the package. |
| 07:53.35 | Arafangion | Skaag: I could manually install apt-spy I suppose. |
| 07:53.36 | Skaag | Arafangion: you will thank me, after it's done (very very fast updates!) |
| 07:53.42 | mathesis | krazykit: what is linuxdcc++ |
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| 07:54.01 | Skaag | mathesis: it's a peer to peer client |
| 07:54.21 | Arafangion | Skaag: ANyway, I know from personal experience that wa is the fastest for me. |
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| 07:54.33 | Arafangion | Skaag: Why doesn't any mirror provide a sources.list line to use? |
| 07:54.34 | insmod | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian sarge main |
| 07:54.36 | Skaag | Arafangion: ah so you should be ok then |
| 07:54.40 | Arafangion | I get: |
| 07:55.02 | Arafangion | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.wa.au.debian.org ... |
| 07:55.04 | insmod | Humanoid: apt-get install package |
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| 07:55.13 | Skaag | Arafangion: there is a central repository with ALL mirrors but you only need one (the closest), or else how do you think apt-spy gets its list? :) |
| 07:55.17 | nicolas_ | hi there |
| 07:55.28 | Arafangion | Skaag: Yes, I realise. |
| 07:55.36 | insmod | Arafangion: the site may be down |
| 07:55.48 | Arafangion | insmod: I happen to know that it's not. |
| 07:56.04 | nicolas_ | does anyone knows how can i remove a file like this: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? README, that wont be removed by the usual tool rm |
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| 07:56.17 | insmod | Arafangion: use another |
| 07:56.18 | Skaag | stable main |
| 07:56.19 | Arafangion | nicolas_: rm \?\-<tab> |
| 07:56.21 | Arafangion | insmod: I have. |
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| 07:56.34 | insmod | what are you trying to get |
| 07:56.40 | Humanoid | insmod: I guess you did not understand my question. |
| 07:56.46 | Skaag | Arafangion: I have my servers on stable main |
| 07:56.53 | insmod | try deb http://floating3.ucd.ie/debian stable main |
| 07:57.04 | topsoil | arfan: did you apt-get update first? |
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| 07:57.17 | insmod | or deb ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia stable main etc |
| 07:57.28 | Humanoid | insmod: I'm not looking for packages that X depend on, but for the packages that depend on X. |
| 07:57.40 | nicolas_ | Arafangion: same error |
| 07:57.48 | Arafangion | Err ftp://ftp.wa.au.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 07:57.48 | topsoil | arafn: did you apt-get update first? |
| 07:57.56 | topsoil | .. can't type |
| 07:58.02 | topsoil | Arafangion: did you apt-get update first? |
| 07:58.04 | insmod | Humanoid: X as an app or X |
| 07:58.10 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.14 | nicolas_ | brb |
| 07:58.31 | Humanoid | insmod: X is a variable referring to any package of my choice that I want to that on. |
| 07:58.40 | Arafangion | topsoil: I am attempting to run apt-get update, but that doesn't work without a correct sources.list file, will it? :) |
| 07:58.43 | Skaag | Arafangion: what's the "Packages" keyword at the end of the line? |
| 07:58.54 | insmod | Humanoid: use x -- X is X system |
| 07:59.03 | Humanoid | insmod: okay, "x". |
| 07:59.18 | topsoil | Arafangion: k, sorry, i joined halfway through.. the error posted earlier about couldn't stat package list sounded like it you hadn't updated, and were trying to install a package. |
| 07:59.24 | Arafangion | Skaag: Don't know - that's what the error said. |
| 07:59.25 | Skaag | Arafangion: remove "Packages" |
| 07:59.32 | Skaag | Arafangion: I mean from the deb line |
| 07:59.34 | Arafangion | Skaag: The term doesn't exist in sources.list |
| 07:59.38 | Skaag | Arafangion: of course not |
| 07:59.48 | Skaag | Arafangion: there is no such channel |
| 07:59.55 | insmod | Humanoid: apt-get install package will say |
| 08:00.48 | Arafangion | Skaag: I'm not a newbie with Debian - this just happens to be the first time I've installed Debian without any lines (except for deb cdrom) in the sources.list |
| 08:01.07 | Skaag | Arafangion: didn't say you were a newbie |
| 08:01.14 | insmod | Arafangion: apt-get update |
| 08:01.25 | Arafangion | insmod: That's what I'm *trying* to run. |
| 08:01.28 | Humanoid | insmod: No, it does not, it just says that "x is already the newest version" |
| 08:01.29 | Skaag | Arafangion: i'm personally very matter of fact, I didn't judge or deduce any facts from the vapor of nuance! :-) |
| 08:01.34 | Arafangion | Skaag: :) |
| 08:01.48 | insmod | Humanoid: then it is |
| 08:01.50 | Arafangion | Skaag: What line do you have? |
| 08:01.52 | Skaag | Humanoid: If you try to remove a package, it will tell you which packages may be affected |
| 08:02.17 | Humanoid | Skaag: Yes, that is the only way I know how to do it. But I don't want to do it that way. I'm looking to do it without having to try to remove the package. |
| 08:02.26 | Skaag | Arafangion: I have some line for Israel (which is where I am), which is: 80.179.151.120:/mnt/storage/mirrors/eclipse/ /home/ftp/eclipse nfs defaults 0 1 |
| 08:02.32 | Skaag | oops |
| 08:02.33 | Arafangion | Skaag: Personally, I would love to figure out what the heck is wrong with my line. |
| 08:02.38 | Skaag | it's this: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 08:02.38 | Skaag | deb http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/ stable main |
| 08:02.50 | Skaag | (both lines) |
| 08:03.18 | Skaag | Arafangion: I can figure out for you, sec. |
| 08:03.40 | Arafangion | I'm ftp'ing to ftp.wa.au.debian.org manually now |
| 08:04.47 | sparr | what program could i use to save an rtsp stream to a file? |
| 08:04.54 | Arafangion | Aha! If you use ftp (NOT any sort of web browser), you'll be able to realise that it is NOT the correct url. |
| 08:04.57 | Humanoid | insmod: Do you understand the difference between finding the packages that x depend on, and finding the packages that depend on x? |
| 08:04.58 | Skaag | ok first of all you need to add /debian/ after the .org |
| 08:05.03 | Arafangion | Why doesn't hte website mention this? |
| 08:05.29 | Skaag | Arafangion: good question... |
| 08:05.52 | Skaag | Arafangion: and if you look inside dists you will see what distributions they have |
| 08:06.07 | insmod | Humanoid: yup but if you understood the line i gave you it would |
| 08:06.24 | Skaag | Arafangion: you can see they have stable with a link to sarge (so either keywords will work) |
| 08:06.33 | Arafangion | Skaag: Yes, though, how did you realise that you had to have /debian? |
| 08:06.38 | Arafangion | Skaag: Why not /mirrors/debian? |
| 08:06.58 | Skaag | it's there in the root of the mirror |
| 08:06.58 | Arafangion | (If you ftp, you won't see the debian, but you will see the mirrors directory) |
| 08:07.06 | sanmarcos | what was the num lock key invented for? |
| 08:07.07 | insmod | Humanoid: apt-get install foo -- deps bar -- apt-get install bar -- answer |
| 08:07.17 | Skaag | Arafangion: yes both will work, it doesn't matter |
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| 08:07.32 | Arafangion | Anyway, it's all working now :) |
| 08:07.46 | Skaag | Arafangion: debian links -> /mirrors/linux/debian in fact |
| 08:07.56 | Skaag | great scott |
| 08:07.58 | Arafangion | Ahh, that's why /mirrors/debian didn't work either. |
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| 08:08.19 | Skaag | yah it wouldn't. |
| 08:08.24 | Skaag | (no such directory) |
| 08:08.49 | Arafangion | Skaag: As soon as I saw mirrors, I logged out - man, mirrors really should be more consistent. :( |
| 08:09.00 | Arafangion | *installs vim* |
| 08:09.01 | Skaag | :-) |
| 08:09.04 | Skaag | such is life |
| 08:09.09 | Skaag | i'm running some mirrors myself |
| 08:09.14 | Skaag | (postgresql and eclipse) |
| 08:09.28 | Humanoid | insmod: No, that's not what I'm trying to do. |
| 08:09.30 | Arafangion | I'm thinking of making a private mirror myself :) |
| 08:09.33 | Humanoid | insmod: I guess forget it. |
| 08:09.41 | Skaag | debian was a bit too large for my bandwidth capabilities |
| 08:09.55 | Skaag | i'm affraid to be bombed ;-) |
| 08:10.05 | Arafangion | Skaag: It will be a partial mirror, and absolutely won't be public :) |
| 08:10.06 | Skaag | plus there's already a very good one in my region |
| 08:10.23 | Skaag | Arafangion: if there's a good fast one in your region, no need, right? |
| 08:10.32 | Skaag | there are so many debian mirrors |
| 08:10.38 | Arafangion | Skaag: Nothing beats local. |
| 08:10.46 | Skaag | true. |
| 08:10.56 | Skaag | if you have the space! ;-) |
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| 08:11.11 | Arafangion | As I said, it'll be partial. |
| 08:11.35 | Arafangion | Probably little more than putting /var/spool/apt/archives into the mirror. |
| 08:11.38 | Arafangion | (ie, a cache) |
| 08:12.58 | Humanoid | insmod: Okay, I'll try explaining it to you one more time. I'll use an example. Let's say x=libsound, now I want to execute the command: "supercommand libsound", and I want the answer to be: "xmms depends on libsound, kolf depends on libsound, audacity depends on libsound, alsamixer depends on libsound". Do you get it? I want to give the package x on the command line, but I DO NOT want the packages that x depends on, I want the list of packages that de |
| 08:12.58 | Humanoid | pend on x. It's the REVERSE of what you're telling me. |
| 08:13.51 | Humanoid | insmod: The answers you are giving me are the REVERSE of what I want. |
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| 08:13.59 | Wyzard | Humanoid: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 08:14.38 | Humanoid | Wyzard: Thank you!!! That works. |
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| 08:27.31 | Arafangion | stefan__: Download a file? |
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| 08:28.08 | stefan__ | Arafangion, yes but no server i know is fast enaught and i'm more interested in the up-speed |
| 08:28.42 | Arafangion | ntop, and monitor it. |
| 08:28.42 | krazykit | stefan__: install flash and run a speed test? |
| 08:29.12 | stefan__ | krazykit, flash? as in macromedia flash? |
| 08:29.25 | krazykit | or gplflash. |
| 08:29.28 | krazykit | pick your poison. |
| 08:31.27 | stefan__ | krazykit, gplflash? |
| 08:31.43 | krazykit | ffs, google for it. |
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| 08:32.30 | afaik | http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/05/burger-kings-xbox-360-game-sneak-king-trailer.htm |
| 08:32.33 | krazykit | though it seems to be gnash now. |
| 08:33.08 | kyuss | I'm having some troubles with tightvnc, it says that "xrdb: can't open file '/root/.Xresources" and that it "could not find the XKB extension" and some stuff about the gnome colormap |
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| 08:34.04 | flamesrock | hey guys, how do I kill a defunction PID that just wont die?? |
| 08:34.19 | flamesrock | *defunct |
| 08:34.38 | wols | tried kill -9? |
| 08:35.26 | flamesrock | you wols are a genius |
| 08:35.26 | flamesrock | I kiss the ground before you |
| 08:35.33 | rumpl | O_o |
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| 08:40.38 | kyuss | oh dangit |
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| 08:49.04 | streuner_ | flamesrock: thanks is usually enough, you don't want that someone become holy, don't you? ;-) |
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| 08:55.27 | fsancho | hi all |
| 08:55.33 | fsancho | i'm having a problem with ddclient |
| 08:55.54 | fsancho | it refuses to update my ip in dyndns.org |
| 08:56.04 | fsancho | I only get this error |
| 08:56.47 | fsancho | DEBUG: get_ip: using if, wlan0 reports xx.ww.yy.zz |
| 08:56.47 | fsancho | WARNING: skipping update of xxxx.dyndns.org from aa.bb.cc.dd to xx.ww.yy.zz. |
| 08:56.47 | fsancho | WARNING: last updated Sat Oct 28 17:34:52 2006. |
| 08:56.47 | fsancho | WARNING: Wait at least 30 seconds between update attempts. |
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| 08:58.58 | sanmarcos | whats a good backup solution for servers? |
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| 08:59.01 | sanmarcos | !backup |
| 08:59.01 | dpkg | well, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 08:59.27 | sanmarcos | why lowest compression? |
| 08:59.46 | niklas | i have install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 08:59.57 | niklas | but how will i do to get php to work... |
| 09:00.12 | sanmarcos | !apache |
| 09:00.13 | dpkg | from memory, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 09:00.23 | sanmarcos | !php |
| 09:00.23 | dpkg | php is probably #php or http://www.php.net/. Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI). PHP5 now in etch/sid |
| 09:00.31 | cydork | niklas: php module enabled? |
| 09:00.34 | sanmarcos | niklas: it should work out of the box |
| 09:00.54 | niklas | cydork: but i dont have php in module_avaiable |
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| 09:02.36 | cydork | niklas: that's strange. it is there in libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:02.59 | fsancho | i have repaired it, by erasing ddclient.cache file. I don't understand it |
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| 09:04.58 | niklas | cydork: Betalningen har nu behandlats med ett lyckat resultat. |
| 09:04.58 | niklas | Transaktionsnummer: 72997777 |
| 09:04.58 | niklas | Fakturanummer: 320898 |
| 09:04.58 | niklas | Specifikation: Till: Pris: Antal: Rabatt: Totalt: |
| 09:04.58 | niklas | .se: xitrix.se 2007-11-06 110.00 1 110.00 |
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| 09:05.47 | niklas | sorry |
| 09:05.58 | cydork | niklas: use the paster next time |
| 09:06.00 | cydork | !paster |
| 09:06.00 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:06.17 | niklas | cydork: okey :) www.panko.se/list.txt |
| 09:06.32 | niklas | there is my mods-avaiable |
| 09:06.47 | Administrator__ | how do I create my own rescue cd? |
| 09:07.01 | cydork | niklas: nope it's not. 404 :) |
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| 09:09.29 | niklas | cydork: mean www.panko.se/lista.txt :) |
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| 09:11.09 | cydork | niklas: dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php show it has that. which version of debian are you running? |
| 09:11.28 | niklas | cydork: i running debian 3.1_r1 |
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| 09:12.35 | niklas | cydork: it says is not installed |
| 09:13.41 | cydork | niklas: i mean libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:14.02 | solars_ | does anyone know a good solution to modify a user crontab entry via shellscript? zsh/bash |
| 09:14.38 | niklas | cydork: it says i will be in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ |
| 09:14.46 | cydork | niklas: how did you installed it? backports? |
| 09:15.57 | iLLf8d | night all |
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| 09:16.52 | niklas | cydork: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:17.17 | wols | niklas: there is no php5 in debian stable. so you either don't run stable or have gotten it from somewhere else. so where? |
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| 09:18.15 | niklas | wols: i using unstable |
| 09:18.37 | cydork | niklas: that is not 3.1_r1 |
| 09:19.11 | install-64 | Probably a stupid question but, what is the diffrence between a kernel-image and a linux-image? I'm using the amd64 gui installer |
| 09:19.22 | wols | niklas: then you are supposed to fix problems like this on your own as you undoubteldy know |
| 09:19.24 | tarzeau | install-64: the name |
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| 09:19.33 | wols | install-64: only the name |
| 09:19.35 | tarzeau | install-64: used to be kernel-image, is linux-image now (or kfreebsd-image) |
| 09:19.41 | wols | kernel images got renamed |
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| 09:19.48 | install-64 | ok cool thanks |
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| 09:23.17 | install-64 | erm another question if I may, I have a amd am2 d-c 6400, which would be the best image to use? linux-image-2.6.17-amd64 or linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8? |
| 09:23.54 | wols | neither. you need a SMP kernel |
| 09:24.11 | install-64 | because its dual core? |
| 09:24.23 | wols | yes |
| 09:25.11 | install-64 | cheers, I thought as much but wasn't 100% |
| 09:25.29 | karsten_21 | hi |
| 09:25.33 | karsten_21 | my little crackbitches |
| 09:25.39 | karsten_21 | how are you? :-) |
| 09:25.57 | wols | just don't continue where you left off yesterday, k? |
| 09:26.03 | flamesrock | whats the best graphical program for partitioning HDD? particulary in kde? |
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| 09:26.21 | wols | qtparted perhaps? |
| 09:26.26 | wols | dunno if there is a kparted |
| 09:26.43 | karsten_21 | gnaaparted |
| 09:27.01 | karsten_21 | gnu |
| 09:27.05 | karsten_21 | sorry |
| 09:27.07 | karsten_21 | typo |
| 09:27.17 | flamesrock | I haven't ued qtparted for a while, dunno what is currently #1 |
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| 09:28.11 | Chandu | Hi |
| 09:28.21 | Chandu | How to create pbuilder environment for etch |
| 09:28.42 | Chandu | I want to compile some packages of testing version on my stable sarge system |
| 09:28.54 | Chandu | But Iam not able to create build environemnt for etch |
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| 09:30.20 | krazykit | it should be the same process as sarge, simply substituting etch for sarge everywhere. |
| 09:30.49 | Chandu | krazykit, I did that .. But it is coming unknown suite etch ..cdeebootstrap failed |
| 09:31.07 | krazykit | hm |
| 09:31.34 | krazykit | maybe you need a newer version of debootstrap or something. i'm not terribly familiar with pbuilder |
| 09:31.51 | Chandu | krazykit, ok |
| 09:32.02 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: or use cdebootstrap |
| 09:32.56 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: pbuilder --basetgz foo.tar.gz --dist etch --deboostrap cdebootstrap; should enable it to work. |
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| 09:35.27 | sanmarcos | does anybody know of a good backup solution that can backup files over the network (ftp, scp), and can use some sort of hooks ? ie svn hotcopy, mysql dump, support for things like that |
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| 09:35.53 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: most of the backup solutions have that... |
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| 09:36.25 | sanmarcos | can you recommend me one? |
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| 09:36.35 | sanmarcos | i am browsing freshmeat and cant find much |
| 09:36.43 | krazykit | rsync? |
| 09:37.11 | honschu | Is there another (faster) tool than 'grep' to search through the linux-kernel-sourcecode? |
| 09:37.17 | dondelelcaro | afbackup, bacula, and backupninja are pretty common... |
| 09:37.44 | dondelelcaro | honschu: unless you've built a reverse hash, grep is as fast as it gets. |
| 09:38.07 | sanmarcos | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 09:38.17 | honschu | How to do that reverse hash? Are there special tools to create a 'database'? |
| 09:38.42 | honschu | dondelecaro: Something like "locate" |
| 09:38.51 | karsten_21 | oh, rly? |
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| 09:39.18 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Depending on your needs, the most simple solutions are rsync, and svn |
| 09:39.25 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, I am using pbuilder pacakge , |
| 09:39.37 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, Just I am running pbuilder create |
| 09:39.40 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: svn is for version control, I cant svn my whole system |
| 09:39.51 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Can't you? :) |
| 09:39.57 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, Which cdebootstrap should be used ..sarge version or etch version |
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| 09:40.00 | jabka | my essid setings becomes "off" on boot how can i disable this setting ? |
| 09:40.06 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Though, as I said, depending on your needs... :) |
| 09:40.10 | niklas | cydork: now i get php to work :P |
| 09:40.30 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: For something as big as your whole system, one really would have to use a combination of git as well as LVM if one wanted version control. |
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| 09:42.15 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: either will work. |
| 09:42.36 | dondelelcaro | jabka: set appropriate values in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 09:42.55 | dondelelcaro | honschu: no, locate won't help. You need something like Hyper Estraier |
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| 09:44.56 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, No Iam getting unknow sute etch error |
| 09:45.15 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, unknown suite etch ...cdebootstrap failed error |
| 09:45.37 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, where it will check for the dist suite |
| 09:45.40 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: try testing isnitead. |
| 09:45.53 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 09:46.14 | sanmarcos | backupninja seems awesome |
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| 09:47.59 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, With testing it is giving .. Couldn't donwlaod Release ..cdebootstrap failed |
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| 09:48.21 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: hrm... well, maybe you'll have to use the testing/unstable version |
| 09:48.23 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, I have given mirror path as ftp.se.debian.org |
| 09:48.50 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, k |
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| 09:49.55 | bvk | How do i autoload kernel modules in debian etch? |
| 09:50.30 | dondelelcaro | bvk: if you're using udev, they should be loaded automatically for you. However, if they're not, you can put them in /etc/modules |
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| 09:53.12 | bvk | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 09:54.37 | IRCMonkey1111 | hi all |
| 09:54.39 | IRCMonkey1111 | how to change fonts for any arbitrary X app (some app derived from mozilla for eg) |
| 09:55.23 | dondelelcaro | IRCMonkey1111: depends on the application, unfortunatly. |
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| 09:55.59 | IRCMonkey1111 | dondelelcaro: is there any way to push my own fonts through .Xdefaults |
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| 09:57.11 | OrionBerlin | Hello, i have got a vserver and a user named "server". I had a SSH connection with the server and it worked perfektly. Since i closed the SSH connection i cant logon into my user. Putty just shows for some miliseconds the Window and closing it. Does anyone can help me? :( |
| 09:57.27 | sanmarcos | dondek: thanks for your recommendation, backupninja is just what I was looking for, modular, well done, simple, and extensible. |
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| 09:57.45 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, that was for you |
| 09:57.55 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: np; hopefully it'll work for you |
| 09:58.21 | dondelelcaro | IRCMonkey1111: you probably mean .Xresources, and that only works if the program supports them. Most real X programs do, but it's definetly not universal. |
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| 10:02.53 | thyko | I just edited /etc/resolv.conf manually and the server will not pick up the DNS servers i put there, why? |
| 10:04.02 | streuner | thyko: DHCP? |
| 10:04.29 | thyko | how do i disable DNS server update via DHCP to mannual? |
| 10:04.50 | thyko | i edited /etc/network.interfaces and put those on mannual |
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| 10:05.13 | thyko | */etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:05.26 | thyko | i mean static |
| 10:05.35 | streuner | you need to edit DHCP client config file in /etc |
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| 10:06.32 | thyko | then? |
| 10:06.44 | thyko | i reboot the box? i don wanna :( |
| 10:07.01 | streuner | nah, you don't need to reboot |
| 10:07.21 | thyko | so what do i do now? |
| 10:07.29 | streuner | waiting? |
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| 10:08.07 | streuner | just edit the config file of you DHCP client |
| 10:08.08 | beardy | thyko: /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 10:08.15 | wols | thyko: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:08.24 | XrMb2 | i would like to check a harddisk for errors, but when i try to execute fsck, then i'm getting: |
| 10:08.25 | XrMb2 | fsck -cpvf /dev/hdc |
| 10:08.26 | XrMb2 | fsck 1.40-WIP (02-Oct-2006) |
| 10:08.26 | XrMb2 | fsck: fsck.iso9660: not found |
| 10:08.26 | XrMb2 | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.iso9660 for /dev/hdc |
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| 10:08.31 | wols | but only after you edited like streuner said |
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| 10:08.53 | streuner | thyko: what distro do you use, btw? |
| 10:08.57 | XrMb2 | any ideas why fsck assumes that it is a cd-drive?! |
| 10:09.00 | wols | XrMb2: any special reason you wanted to fsck a read only media? |
| 10:09.15 | wols | maybe cause your fstab says so? |
| 10:09.15 | XrMb2 | it is a hard-disk which is not mounted |
| 10:09.42 | XrMb2 | hm, it does...i removed a cd-drive and replaced it with that hard drive |
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| 10:10.18 | man_in_ltop | how would one manually install a ttf, and would it require an X restart? |
| 10:10.35 | thyko | streuner: kubuntu |
| 10:10.54 | XrMb2 | wth....now i'm getting: http://paste.debian.net/16186 |
| 10:10.56 | wols | then be a nice user and ask #kubuntu |
| 10:11.11 | XrMb2 | i've never had that message....usually it worked for me |
| 10:11.23 | wols | XrMb2: hdc is ALL of your fisk including partition table |
| 10:11.31 | wols | usually that's not how hdds are organized |
| 10:11.36 | XrMb2 | oh, so i shall set a partition |
| 10:12.04 | man_in_ltop | XrMb2, eg, hdc1 |
| 10:12.05 | man_in_ltop | :) |
| 10:12.18 | streuner | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 10:12.27 | streuner | man_in_ltop: for the last question |
| 10:12.30 | thyko | those guys seem not to have a klue |
| 10:12.37 | man_in_ltop | streuner, what about the one before 8) |
| 10:12.48 | thyko | thats why i came here |
| 10:12.50 | XrMb2 | oay, thanks...now it scans. by the way, is fsck -cpvf /dev/hdc1 the very best command i may use to check & correct errors on a ext3-partition? |
| 10:12.55 | streuner | !listkeys ttf |
| 10:12.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ttf' by key (14): _default ttfn ;; _default xf4 ttf ;; xf4ttf ;; _default ttf ;; xf4 ttf ;; ttf aa ;; ttfonts ;; ttf ;; _default ttf xf4 ;; #debian ttf ;; ttf xf4 ;; ttfn ;; ttf help ;; _default ttfonts. |
| 10:13.26 | XrMb2 | because this disk contains errors.... :/ and i would like to fix them |
| 10:13.31 | streuner | man_in_ltop: read the URL mentioned in the factoid above |
| 10:13.44 | streuner | !xf4 ttf |
| 10:13.44 | dpkg | For info on how to get True Type Fonts working under XF4, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0011/msg01817.html, or http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html for up-to-date instructions for Woody and greater.. To make true type fonts to work on sid you'll need to configure X to use defoma fonts. Install the x-ttcidfont-conf to do this and then install the true type packages, for example msttcorefonts |
| 10:13.52 | Chandu | Hey I didnt get to pbuilder env for etch over sarge ..Can anyone tell me please .. |
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| 10:14.34 | XrMb2 | HOLY crap....there are hundreds of errors on that disk |
| 10:14.52 | man_in_ltop | youch |
| 10:14.56 | XrMb2 | omfg, no wonder....it was running at 55°C, about 6 months without any spin-down :> |
| 10:15.09 | XrMb2 | this is, why debian crashed |
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| 10:15.27 | XrMb2 | because of the disk ;) the system was switching to read-only and did not halt :> |
| 10:15.37 | XrMb2 | windows would turn the screen blue and finish up |
| 10:15.45 | Malagmyr | Is there a way to veto files only in the root directory of a samba share? I'm veto'ing the directory called RECYCLER at the root of my share, but I don't want any other folders named RECYCLER to disappear... |
| 10:16.20 | streuner | man_in_ltop: some people say, its enough to put those ttf's into ~/fonts, but it didn't work for me. |
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| 10:16.50 | rhalff | hi what is the best way to install apache2.2 on sarge ? install it from testing or something ? |
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| 10:17.06 | rhalff | backports doesn't have a newer version also |
| 10:17.12 | XrMb2 | the name of the disk is deanna, does http://paste.debian.net/16187 mean, that fsck is cleaning .....bad blocks, ..? |
| 10:17.20 | beardy | rhalff: Why do you need it? |
| 10:17.44 | rhalff | beardy, I need mod_dav_lock, which isn't in 2.0.54 I think |
| 10:17.54 | rhalff | 2.1 and greater |
| 10:18.07 | kampourhs | hello I want a console commandf in order to check the permissions of the files.......... |
| 10:18.08 | kampourhs | Thanks in advance |
| 10:18.36 | rhalff | kampourhs, ls -l |
| 10:18.46 | beardy | !tell kampourhs about grounding |
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| 10:19.13 | kampourhs | rhalff: I* know ls - l something else????????? |
| 10:21.08 | rhalff | kampourhs, beardy had a more usefull answer |
| 10:21.10 | black_13 | what does mc have funny characters when i run it in konsole? |
| 10:21.45 | XrMb2 | if a disk is mounted AND busy, how can i remount it to read-only? mount -o ro /dev/disk does not work and exits with the message, tha this drive is busy. but currently it is busy with reading data, not with writing |
| 10:21.57 | beardy | black_13: konsole doesn't display the linedrawing characters correctly |
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| 10:22.02 | beardy | black_13: apparently |
| 10:22.04 | streuner | black_13: its related to your locales |
| 10:22.24 | black_13 | how would i fix this ? |
| 10:22.24 | beardy | To his $TERM more likely. |
| 10:22.52 | black_13 | TERM=xterm |
| 10:23.11 | streuner | try aterm, its the same... |
| 10:23.40 | beardy | black_13: konsole even has a clickable "start mc window" right? Is it the same in that? |
| 10:23.40 | black_13 | Unknown terminal: aterm |
| 10:23.56 | beardy | black_13: No, aterm is a program. |
| 10:23.56 | streuner | apt-get install aterm |
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| 10:24.08 | beardy | black_13: An xterm. |
| 10:24.09 | streuner | !info aterm |
| 10:24.12 | dpkg | aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 10:24.20 | black_13 | ah |
| 10:24.54 | beardy | black_13: What locale do you have? |
| 10:25.14 | beardy | black_13: And btw, what font are you using? |
| 10:25.15 | h3sp4wn | black_13: aterm didn't (doesn't ?) support unicode properly (If that matters to you) |
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| 10:25.43 | black_13 | font is "medium" |
| 10:25.59 | black_13 | bitstream vera sans mono |
| 10:26.34 | black_13 | got it working |
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| 10:26.42 | beardy | black_13: how? |
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| 10:26.55 | black_13 | custom -- monospace |
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| 10:27.10 | black_13 | i selected 8 point |
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| 10:28.30 | beardy | black_13: Ok |
| 10:28.42 | black_13 | now its back to same problem crud |
| 10:30.24 | rhalff | beardy, how to install packages from testing into sarge ? I thought apt-get -ttesting install apache2 would work, but it doesn't |
| 10:30.51 | beardy | rhalff: That is not a good idea. |
| 10:30.57 | beardy | !backports |
| 10:30.57 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:31.02 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 10:31.03 | dpkg | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 10:31.14 | rhalff | beardy, backports doesn't have an apache2 |
| 10:31.54 | rhalff | ah your telling something different. :) |
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| 10:31.56 | black_13 | ok get this if i start konsole as root on that konsole/mc it looks fine |
| 10:32.03 | beardy | rhalff: That's why I told you about "simple sid backport" aswell. |
| 10:32.12 | rhalff | beardy, yeah thanks |
| 10:32.24 | rhalff | black_13, echo $TERM shows xterm-color or not ? |
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| 10:32.55 | black_13 | xterm |
| 10:33.19 | solars_ | anyone here using tsocks? somehow the env var isn't exportet if I use source tsocks -on in a script, can anyone help me ? |
| 10:33.26 | beardy | black_13: But.. you said chaniging fonts fixed it? |
| 10:33.45 | black_13 | but not permanently |
| 10:34.05 | beardy | black_13: ? Change the font permanently then. |
| 10:34.07 | black_13 | as soon as you stop all the shells (im using sudo bash) |
| 10:34.23 | black_13 | it has to be konsole dot file |
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| 10:34.50 | beardy | black_13: Why are you doing that? |
| 10:34.58 | beardy | black_13: And why not su? |
| 10:35.26 | black_13 | dont know why not really |
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| 10:36.02 | black_13 | but i think if had te monospace font saved it would work correctly |
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| 10:37.19 | |ryan| | Does etch have any official support for automatic security updates? |
| 10:37.31 | george | |ryan|: maybe |
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| 10:38.04 | george | but sid doesn't need it because security problems get through within a day |
| 10:38.15 | george | err solutions to sec probs |
| 10:38.43 | |ryan| | what I want, though, is unattended instalation of packages providing security fixes. |
| 10:39.03 | cydork | |ryan|: etch has security updates |
| 10:39.05 | george | two words: run stable |
| 10:39.29 | |ryan| | yes, but can it install security updates without admin intervention? |
| 10:40.26 | george | testing is not guaranteed to install properly... once it's released, the idea is all packages are supposed to work together |
| 10:40.35 | |ryan| | I want to make sure that if I'm away for a week or two, I won't come back to 0wned boxen. |
| 10:41.06 | george | |ryan|: the best way to ensure that is have someone watch them |
| 10:41.18 | cydork | |ryan|: there is cron-apt but it's not that dependable :) |
| 10:41.20 | |ryan| | george: That's not always possbile. |
| 10:41.39 | george | I'm not saying you shouldn't do what you're asking |
| 10:41.48 | george | just that it's not the best |
| 10:42.03 | |ryan| | I have been testing running apt from cron set to only auto-install packages on secure.debian.org |
| 10:42.07 | george | it's fine if you trust the updates |
| 10:42.24 | george | (AND your trust is not misplaced) |
| 10:42.49 | george | the former, you decide... the latter is out of your control |
| 10:42.52 | |ryan| | But as I understand it is not guarenteed by policy that those updates are safe for unattended instalation. |
| 10:43.07 | skx | indeed. sometimes things break, but not too often. |
| 10:43.27 | george | that's true... things happen, like someone might decide a different config default is better |
| 10:43.28 | black_13 | ok well im stumped |
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| 10:44.03 | |ryan| | Why would I not trust security.debian.org? |
| 10:44.19 | |ryan| | What else am I going to do, RTF and compile from scratch? |
| 10:44.20 | george | you wouldn't only update from there |
| 10:44.30 | skx | because people make mistakes. the defaults might change. sometimes package fixes require changes to defaults which can break working setups |
| 10:44.52 | streuner | |ryan|: you are not making sense to me. |
| 10:45.09 | george | but his having said that, many people update, and then have to adjust to new situations in various places |
| 10:45.27 | |ryan| | Well, as to trusting that pacakges won't break stuff... They usualy don't. |
| 10:45.30 | install-64 | The Debian servers have been compromised before |ryan| |
| 10:45.51 | george | |ryan|: you would do so if you decide you don't trust the buildds (which are robots) and the maints |
| 10:45.54 | skx | "usually" vs. "never" is the point I think we're trying to make. |
| 10:46.03 | |ryan| | right. |
| 10:46.24 | streuner | |ryan|: Don't expect any security update in etch atm |
| 10:46.33 | karsten_21 | GNAA |
| 10:46.37 | |ryan| | streuner: I don't. |
| 10:46.39 | karsten_21 | hi streuner |
| 10:47.06 | george | but you'd decide to only update when someone is present, if you do trust the packages but not necessarily new defaults/config choices |
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| 10:47.16 | streuner | karsten_21: we told you serveral times to stop mention this term, besides there are serveral staff members who k-line you for that... |
| 10:47.34 | karsten_21 | for what streuner? |
| 10:47.44 | karsten_21 | i just said hi?!!? |
| 10:47.49 | george | karsten_21: I get it... you can't read |
| 10:48.02 | karsten_21 | i am not good english |
| 10:48.10 | george | cmon, at least try to be smart |
| 10:48.27 | george | he's versanet, he |
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| 10:48.33 | george | has trolled in the past |
| 10:48.52 | karsten_21 | <george> he's versanet, he |
| 10:48.52 | karsten_21 | * TasteOfDeath (n=tod@i53875AF8.versanet.de) hat #debian betreten |
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| 10:49.01 | karsten_21 | that WOULD scare me |
| 10:49.09 | |ryan| | bleh. |
| 10:49.10 | solars_ | if I use "source tsocks -on" in a shell, it works, if I use the same line in a shellscript it does not work (work=export a env var) |
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| 10:49.13 | solars_ | why is that ? |
| 10:49.43 | |ryan| | Lack of fully automatic security updates is why I still have some Redhat and SuSE servers. |
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| 10:50.02 | |ryan| | and it annoys me. |
| 10:50.06 | george | solars_: because it spawns a separate shell which exits and does not communicate its environment to its enclosing process |
| 10:50.28 | |ryan| | I don't like having to fight with yast to do things that would be simple under debian. |
| 10:50.36 | solars_ | george, ah, and how could I manage this then? |
| 10:50.40 | karsten_21 | RAF |
| 10:51.18 | george | |ryan|: what's wrong with stable? if you want secure, then you also want stability... I don't understand why you don't |
| 10:51.25 | karsten_21 | RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF |
| 10:51.41 | Ronin | karsten_21: give it a rest already |
| 10:51.42 | george | !ops karsten_21 versanet troll |
| 10:51.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: george complains about: karsten_21 versanet troll |
| 10:51.44 | fum|ble | does sarge support ntfs-3g? |
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| 10:51.58 | karsten_21 | !OPS TasteOfDeath versanet troll |
| 10:52.05 | karsten_21 | !ops TasteOfDeath versanet troll |
| 10:52.09 | |ryan| | george: stable doesn't have signed packages for one. |
| 10:52.23 | george | |ryan|: ok there is that |
| 10:52.26 | solars_ | george, how can I set a envvar in a shellscript for the parent shell then ? |
| 10:52.34 | solars_ | *an |
| 10:52.35 | dondelelcaro | solars_: you can't. |
| 10:52.42 | george | you have to do it in the parent process |
| 10:52.47 | solars_ | hmmm |
| 10:52.50 | solars_ | but I have to! :) |
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| 10:52.52 | george | whether it's a shell or not |
| 10:52.58 | |ryan| | george: That said, I have about 50 servers that run stable. It is just damned annoying to install security updates. |
| 10:53.01 | dondelelcaro | solars_: why? |
| 10:53.12 | streuner | dondelelcaro: thanks, he seems to be the versanet.de troll |
| 10:53.27 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, I want to use "source tsocks -on" (which sets LD_PRELOAD) in a shellscript |
| 10:53.49 | dondelelcaro | solars_: um... so source it? |
| 10:53.54 | |ryan| | I've been using a cron job that runs apt-get -y upgrade with a alternet sources file thet only contains security sources. |
| 10:54.21 | |ryan| | that's really my only complaint. |
| 10:54.25 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, you mean "source .." ? |
| 10:54.26 | skx | for that many servers I'd use cfengine/something to automate all management. that would make updates painless |
| 10:54.29 | solars_ | thats what I'm doing |
| 10:54.32 | dondelelcaro | solars_: or ., yes. |
| 10:54.33 | george | dondelelcaro: and he's right, tasteofdeath is here and versanet... the thing is, I haven't seen anythihng from it |
| 10:54.44 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, I'm doing this, but have the same result |
| 10:55.11 | dondelelcaro | solars_: if ahas A=foo; export A; |
| 10:55.18 | george | |ryan|: with luck etch will be here shortly |
| 10:55.42 | |ryan| | I used to whine about old packages, but then I stoped being a bum and learned how to do my own backports. |
| 10:55.46 | dondelelcaro | solars_: if a.sh has A=foo; export A; and you have . a.sh; echo $A; in b.sh; you'll get foo as output. |
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| 10:56.42 | george | dondelelcaro: so you're sayihg you can drill down but not up? |
| 10:56.57 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, yeah thats what I have, /usr/bin/tsocks has export LD_PRELOAD, and I use source /usr/bin/tsocks in my script. but the var is not set.. |
| 10:57.09 | DimmuR | any1 knows some utility that change gmail account into drive under debian? |
| 10:57.20 | dondelelcaro | george: yes. |
| 10:57.31 | george | solars_: there's going to be another way to get the var in there, probably by programatic means |
| 10:57.43 | dondelelcaro | DimmuR: there are a few fusefs things that will do that. |
| 10:57.50 | eggleston | DimmuR, yes |
| 10:58.05 | |ryan| | skx: you can use cfengine to install pacakges? |
| 10:58.06 | dondelelcaro | solars_: and /usr/bin/tsocks is a shell script? |
| 10:58.07 | solars_ | george, yeah, I could use the tsocks contents in my script, but I wonder why source does not work .. |
| 10:58.07 | eggleston | DimmuR, you can get one that is an extension to firefox, that one's very good. |
| 10:58.15 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 10:58.22 | eggleston | DimmuR, it's called "gSpace" |
| 10:58.24 | george | source should work |
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| 10:58.33 | dondelelcaro | solars_: and what happens if you echo $LD_PRELOAD; right after sourcing it? |
| 10:58.40 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, one sec |
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| 10:59.01 | skx | |ryan| yes. I do it with a script http://www.debian-administration.org/tag/cfengine |
| 10:59.07 | george | that is, if you have a script a.sh which -sources- b.sh which sets and exports a var, then when b returns a should have the value |
| 10:59.18 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, that works |
| 10:59.36 | dondelelcaro | solars_: then it's being set. Your problem is something else. |
| 11:00.10 | solars_ | hmm |
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| 11:00.39 | george | you're using env vars rather than return values to accomplish what you're doing, and it's not a very clean way... it's a way however |
| 11:00.47 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, so somehow it gets removed after the script terminates |
| 11:01.05 | dondelelcaro | solars_: variables set in children don't propogate to parents. |
| 11:01.08 | george | after which script terminates? |
| 11:01.14 | dondelelcaro | repeat add nausem. |
| 11:01.17 | dondelelcaro | s/add/ad/ |
| 11:01.26 | solars_ | yeah thats clear |
| 11:01.37 | george | right, refrain from -adding- nausum!! |
| 11:02.04 | utrrrongeeb | How can I find out which VT is currently visible in a Bash script? |
| 11:02.19 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, ah damn |
| 11:02.31 | george | you'd have to have access to the kernel data structure that knows |
| 11:02.43 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, I had to use source b.sh too in the shell when calling the second script |
| 11:03.03 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: fgconsole |
| 11:03.08 | george | "visible" also implies, however, the existance of a monitor |
| 11:03.13 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: apropos vt; is your friend... |
| 11:04.01 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, so if you have a.sh that exports foo, you use source a.sh in b.sh and call b.sh also with source b.sh .. |
| 11:04.46 | dondelelcaro | solars_: if you wanted whatever was set in b to propogate to the parent shell, yes. |
| 11:04.56 | dondelelcaro | solars_: but why in the world do you want to do that? |
| 11:05.00 | solars_ | alright, I missed the last step, thank you |
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| 11:05.11 | george | if you do it this way, there is ONE shell that is interpreting "source a.sh", the content of a.sh and the content of b.sh |
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| 11:05.39 | george | so any vars set anywhere will alter the env of the cmd line shell |
| 11:06.13 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, well, /usr/bin/tsocks exports LD_PRELOAD, and I have a wrapper script thats makes a ssh socks tunnel before, (thats b.sh) and I want to call b.sh in my current shell, so I have to source everything that LD_PRELOAD is set in the current shell |
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| 11:06.22 | utrrrongeeb | dondelelcaro: Thanks, looks like what I need. Will it return 7 for an X VT? |
| 11:06.37 | george | not necessarily |
| 11:06.44 | george | what if your x is on vt5? |
| 11:06.57 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: no. |
| 11:07.21 | utrrrongeeb | What'll it do? |
| 11:07.29 | george | x only ends up on 7 because it's the first free vt after booting |
| 11:07.30 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: it'll error, because X isn't a VT. |
| 11:07.43 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, or how would you do that ? |
| 11:07.57 | george | you should try it and see |
| 11:08.26 | utrrrongeeb | Thanks, I'll have to try it... |
| 11:08.30 | dondelelcaro | solars_: you only need set LD_PRELOAD before you run whatever needs to be preloaded. |
| 11:08.40 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, easier: a.sh exports foo, b.sh calls a.sh, and I want to call b.sh so that foo is in my current env |
| 11:09.11 | george | then they all have to be sourced |
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| 11:09.38 | solars_ | dondelelcaro, yeah, but I would have to check if the var already exists and if it does, append my preload string and this is exactly what a.sh does |
| 11:09.53 | george | and again, this might not be the cleanest approach |
| 11:09.54 | dondelelcaro | solars_: yeah; sounds like you want to source b in your .bashrc or something. |
| 11:09.59 | solars_ | so I just want to include it, not reinvent the wheel |
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| 11:10.11 | solars_ | yeah |
| 11:10.17 | george | solars_: then write a func that does that |
| 11:10.37 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, bash doesn't have a way to have a set of environmental variables that are continously updated (at least, that I'm aware of) |
| 11:10.47 | solars_ | I'm using zsh |
| 11:10.59 | george | then maybe all bets are off? |
| 11:12.24 | dondelelcaro | hrm... zsh may have a way to do that; I don't know |
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| 11:12.37 | solars_ | I'll search for it .. :) |
| 11:12.59 | george | I mean I -guess- zsh has source, and I -guess- it has the same semantics... but those are two really big ifs/guesses |
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| 11:13.16 | solars_ | yeah source works |
| 11:13.16 | jelly | solars_: zsh has an easy way to write signal handlers. I've just logged in and don't know what exactly are you trying to do, but you could kill the shell every now and then and let it reread some variables from a file. |
| 11:13.29 | solars_ | heh |
| 11:13.29 | george | are you sure? |
| 11:13.34 | solars_ | I am |
| 11:13.46 | george | ok |
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| 11:14.09 | solars_ | jelly, a.sh exports foo, b.sh runs a.sh and I want to call b.sh in my current shell so that foo is in the env |
| 11:14.14 | george | what is your exact goal here? |
| 11:14.17 | geoaxis | does any one know the channel for openssl DEV |
| 11:14.21 | eucalre | I'll think about it |
| 11:14.31 | solars_ | jelly, source a.sh in b.sh and source b.sh would work, question is if there's an easier way :) |
| 11:15.06 | solars_ | something like reverse-inheritance :) |
| 11:15.08 | DimmuR | dondelelcaro: eggleston thanks for help |
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| 11:16.17 | george | solars_: why are you looking for a way to set an env var before running some particular exectable (say) foo, or not set it before running foo? |
| 11:16.27 | george | I can think of one app right away |
| 11:16.46 | george | rooooooooooooooooootkit! |
| 11:16.52 | solars_ | its tsocks |
| 11:16.54 | enouf | hehe |
| 11:16.57 | fschulte | hi, which program do i need in order to generate the Contents.gz file that apt-file utilizes? |
| 11:16.59 | eggleston | DimmuR, lol, that wa a little delayed |
| 11:17.32 | george | fschulte: you mean on your own aptable source? |
| 11:17.38 | DimmuR | eggleston: i'm at work and sometimes can't answer instantly |
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| 11:17.46 | fschulte | george: yes |
| 11:17.47 | solars_ | george, tsocks substitutes connect() to go through a socks proxy |
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| 11:18.12 | eggleston | DimmuR, nah dude it's cool, was just noting. |
| 11:18.18 | jelly | solars_: oh, a LD_PRELOAD wrapper that uses socks? |
| 11:18.27 | solars_ | jelly, yes |
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| 11:18.39 | george | solars_: can't you arrange plumbing to connect to socks other than loading a separate lib |
| 11:18.57 | enouf | cleans his pipes |
| 11:19.11 | fschulte | george: do you know? |
| 11:19.24 | solars_ | george, not transparently |
| 11:19.44 | jelly | solars_: what's wrong with source? |
| 11:20.14 | solars_ | jelly, nothing, we just wondered if there is an easier way to set envvars in the parent shell with zsh |
| 11:20.16 | george | fschulte: of course the answer is yes, since the situation exists on at least one aptable source |
| 11:20.37 | george | but I don't know what generates that |
| 11:20.45 | fschulte | george: and can you tell? |
| 11:20.56 | jelly | solars_: #zsh ? |
| 11:21.13 | solars_ | thats next, yeah :) |
| 11:21.43 | fschulte | george: ... then i know what to google for. |
| 11:22.19 | george | you already know: google for generate Contents.gz |
| 11:22.31 | fschulte | george: k |
| 11:22.43 | fum|ble | does sarge support ntfs-3g or will I need to upgrade the current kernel that comes by defualt? |
| 11:23.05 | jelly | solars_: I have a separate xterm with LD_PRELOADed dante-client library that's clearly marked as being socksified, and run commands in it when I want them to swing that-a-way. |
| 11:23.14 | george | (put that in you bag of search tricks, and also this trick: always try at least one search before asking any human anything :) |
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| 11:23.29 | iliketomoveitmov | i like to move it move it |
| 11:23.37 | iliketomoveitmov | i like to --- move it! |
| 11:23.49 | george | !ops iliketomoveitmov versanet flooder |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: george complains about: iliketomoveitmov versanet flooder |
| 11:24.04 | solars_ | jelly, what I want is run everything through the socks proxy, if I'm in my (insecure :) university wlan |
| 11:24.16 | blondie | ban that whole ISP |
| 11:24.18 | iliketomoveitmov | why do you highlight me, george? |
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| 11:24.21 | fschulte | george: no, thats bullshit google shows |
| 11:24.26 | jelly | fum|ble: ntfs-3g relies on fuse, right? So fuse is one dependancy needing to be taken care of. |
| 11:24.26 | blondie | iliketomoveitmov: to get you banned presumably |
| 11:24.35 | iliketomoveitmov | why? |
| 11:24.44 | iliketomoveitmov | dont you like to move it move it? |
| 11:24.44 | rhalff | sometimes I just hate the stable distribution.. |
| 11:24.49 | blondie | because you're a troll/spammer/etc |
| 11:24.57 | iliketomoveitmov | ?? |
| 11:25.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 11:25.03 | iliketomoveitmov | why? |
| 11:25.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@i577BCC65.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
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| 11:25.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:25.29 | george | becasue you should know better |
| 11:25.35 | rhalff | searching for three hours how to install apache 2.2 on debian stable, 2.0.54 is like 10 years old |
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| 11:25.42 | fschulte | george: pls ... tell me |
| 11:25.48 | blondie | dondelelcaro: it's back :'( |
| 11:25.57 | george | fschulte: I don't know myself |
| 11:26.09 | fschulte | george: hu |
| 11:26.20 | george | it's one of those girl-named things probably like kate |
| 11:26.28 | jelly | dondelelcaro: katrin-flowedel |
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| 11:26.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@i577BD4EA.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
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| 11:26.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 11:26.55 | blondie | ban *!n=karkar@*.versanet.de |
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| 11:27.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@i577BC172.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
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| 11:27.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:27.15 | fschulte | george: jeah maybe vi does that too |
| 11:27.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 11:27.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*karkar*@*.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:27.31 | itchi | ow, cleaning time?? |
| 11:27.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:27.32 | blondie | :) |
| 11:27.41 | george | fschulte: that would be tedious at best |
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| 11:28.05 | george | dondelelcaro: sssssssss |
| 11:28.14 | cydork | wht the hell? |
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| 11:28.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@i577BC21E.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
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| 11:28.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:28.18 | fschulte | snake |
| 11:28.27 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Where can i ask some Debian-dev questions? I have some little questions about how to repack the boa-constructor |
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| 11:28.40 | itchi | ola |
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| 11:28.46 | i_am_stupid | hi all |
| 11:28.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:28.56 | itchi | bye |
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| 11:28.59 | Administrator__ | I want to create my own debian based recovery cd, is there a good manual that you guys suggest? |
| 11:29.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 11:29.10 | cydork | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 11:29.11 | george | I was going to suggest that very thing |
| 11:29.28 | dondelelcaro | Legitimate users from versanet.de can /msg me for +e; don't bother unless you're identified. |
| 11:29.53 | george | that would get rid of all of them, then you could unban after awhile or something |
| 11:30.56 | streuner | fuck, only because some troll is crazy, we need to ban the whole ISP |
| 11:31.00 | george | Optimator for the Operator |
| 11:31.11 | blondie | streuner: what else would you suggest? |
| 11:31.15 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is there a way to get all the files of boa-constuctor. I mean i can get the source of it, but if i want to remake an deb file i need to re debianize it? And need we to Debianize it each time when we get an new upstream version? |
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| 11:31.36 | streuner | blondie: good question, they had the same problem in #debian.de, the ban still exists... |
| 11:31.40 | dondelelcaro | itchi: nah; you can just use uupdate to udpate it. |
| 11:31.48 | streuner | blondie: s/had/have/ |
| 11:32.35 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: back to your question, there may be backports of it already; if not, you can rather trivially make one. |
| 11:32.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Gona look to uupdate, not know about it. He, i have fix some personal troubles of packaging deb files. Nice nm-guide :-) |
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| 11:33.54 | rhalff | dondelelcaro, I'm having trouble finding docs on how I would do that, backports doesn't have an apache2, and building apache2.2 from unstable on sarge gives me a lot of dependency problems. |
| 11:34.08 | eggleston | dude a: i wonder how many windows the microsoft building has?. dude b:heaps man, but they're all broken |
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| 11:34.35 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: you'll have to walk through the dependencies and build them. |
| 11:34.43 | eggleston | guys i just made that up, somebody pour me a beer ASAP |
| 11:34.51 | streuner | blondie: we had the same problem in the past, the decision was that every OP who is available ban if needed |
| 11:35.13 | rhalff | dondelelcaro, ok I try again then |
| 11:35.18 | blondie | I think there should be a bot that can do more intelligent "bans" |
| 11:35.32 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: some munging of the control file may be required as well. |
| 11:35.45 | eggleston | somebody congratulate me damnit!!! |
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| 11:35.48 | blondie | for example, "ban except for registered names" |
| 11:36.08 | rhalff | dondelelcaro, just odd google finds me nobody who has installed 2.2 on stable. :) |
| 11:36.29 | eggleston | !beer eggleston |
| 11:36.40 | eggleston | lol, i had to beer myself, i'm such a loser |
| 11:37.04 | eleftherios | !beer eggleston |
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| 11:37.21 | eggleston | eleftherios, you're my best friend |
| 11:37.42 | george | there's a mouse and an elephant on the same channel??! |
| 11:37.54 | Shinomuraa | What is the OS of future? |
| 11:38.00 | eggleston | george, they're gonna freak out any second now |
| 11:38.10 | george | the os of the present, upgraded. |
| 11:38.21 | eggleston | george, where'e the elephant? |
| 11:38.28 | george | or maybe, no os |
| 11:38.34 | thyko | is there a commandline network configuration tool like slackware's netconfig? |
| 11:38.36 | george | the chip becomes the os |
| 11:38.55 | widrone | I had a debian installer running thru ssh, and the connection died. Any way to get back into that session, or do i need to restart the process? |
| 11:38.56 | streuner | thyko: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 11:38.59 | Shinomuraa | anybody can tell me what will be a OS in future? why? |
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| 11:39.42 | george | why will an upgraded present os become a future os? I dunno, people like working on oses? |
| 11:39.59 | blondie | Shinomuraa: Vista |
| 11:40.03 | george | unfortunately m$ has some new crap coming out |
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| 11:40.33 | george | (can ya tell I'm sorta biased? :) |
| 11:41.13 | george | I just found out the maudio firewire 410 has a linux driver |
| 11:41.20 | george | and I have one |
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| 11:41.38 | george | so I'm -quite- stoked to try it in a few days |
| 11:41.40 | Malagmyr | How can I make samba support >2GB files. Both on its own shares, and when mounting others? |
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| 11:43.17 | Skaag | I need help resolving a conflict with packages from testing, I can't have x11-common and libsm6 and libqt3-mt installed because of an error while installing x11-common |
| 11:43.56 | Malagmyr | !error message |
| 11:43.57 | dpkg | If you get an error message and find that to be very annoying, how about telling us what error message you get? Stop saying "I get an error", or try pasting the error message in google. very often, you'll find the answer you're looking for there |
| 11:44.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell Skaag -about bat |
| 11:44.15 | Skaag | perhaps more specifically, the package x11-common fails to install, with this error message: x11-common postinst warning: /usr/include/X11 symbolic link does not exist |
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| 11:44.50 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: well, it's deifnetly possible to do; the question becomes how difficult it is or not. I personally haven't looked at it for apache2.2, although, I have done quite a large number of backpots. |
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| 11:45.39 | Skaag | ok i'm posting the output in #flood |
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| 11:46.12 | xorllu | hi, how can i disable IPV6? |
| 11:46.15 | rhalff | dondelelcaro, ah a friend now suggest wajig, going to try that first. |
| 11:46.27 | Skaag | xorllu: you could rmmod ipv6 |
| 11:46.29 | widrone | Aha, just getting into the installer menu again, maybe just rerunning some of the steps will fix what I left broken. |
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| 11:46.50 | tnks | Is nn popular as a nntp client? |
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| 11:47.10 | ukasz | hi |
| 11:47.11 | xorllu | Skaag, but after restart module again loads.... |
| 11:47.18 | Skaag | tnks: popularity is relative... it's quite popular I guess, among CLI users. |
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| 11:47.36 | Skaag | xorllu: I believe there is a way to specify modules to ignore on startup |
| 11:47.49 | tnks | Actually, I looked at both the nn and trn projects, and I was surprised at how long ago the last releases were. |
| 11:47.51 | ukasz | i have problem with kaffeine i've mounted samba dirs and kaffeine doesn't want to play mp3 from them |
| 11:48.00 | ukasz | any idea what might be wrong ? |
| 11:48.11 | streuner | permissions? |
| 11:48.26 | thyko | !interfaces |
| 11:48.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 11:48.45 | xorllu | Skaag, i need ignore ipv6 module loading, but how? |
| 11:48.46 | Skaag | ukasz: I use fuse instead, to mount folders, they are then just like local folders, and kaffeine won't know the difference |
| 11:49.02 | ukasz | fuse ? |
| 11:49.03 | Skaag | xorllu: i'm not THAT good... anyone here knows how to tell debian to not load a module on startup? |
| 11:49.21 | Skaag | ukasz: user mode mounting of exotic filesystems :-) |
| 11:49.27 | thyko | !dhcp client |
| 11:49.27 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 11:49.29 | Skaag | ukasz: give it a try, it's beautiful |
| 11:49.47 | Skaag | dondelelcaro: help? :-) (plz) |
| 11:49.48 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: wajig won't help you much... |
| 11:49.54 | streuner | thyko: /msg dpkg <factoid> would work too... |
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| 11:50.07 | thyko | :) |
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| 11:50.21 | ukasz | you mean fusesmb ? |
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| 11:50.34 | Skaag | ukasz: yes that's one of the clients, give it a try |
| 11:50.36 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: there should be an addtional error there; add set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.postinst; |
| 11:50.43 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: then run dpkg --configure -a; |
| 11:50.58 | rhalff | dondelelcaro, yep your right :) |
| 11:51.48 | Skaag | dondelelcaro: omg the output is huge!! what do I post from the output? |
| 11:52.00 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: best to use the paste bot |
| 11:52.03 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 11:52.03 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 11:52.05 | Skaag | dondelelcaro: there was already set -e, I addeed set -x under it |
| 11:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: yeah; that's fine |
| 11:52.18 | Skaag | ok pasting... sec... |
| 11:52.20 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: the set -e tells it to stop at the first error |
| 11:52.21 | george | Skaag: and if you use that, paste it all |
| 11:52.34 | dondelelcaro | set -x outputs every single command that is run |
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| 11:53.04 | george | how do you get it to show double commands?? |
| 11:53.17 | ukasz | ok thx |
| 11:53.30 | ukasz | but i don't see the config files for fuse |
| 11:53.38 | rsteele | dunno |
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| 11:54.10 | george | if that only shows the single commands, howbout the married ones? |
| 11:54.19 | Skaag | george: yes I pasted the whole thing |
| 11:54.27 | Skaag | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4380 |
| 11:54.40 | ukasz | Skaag: i don't see fusesmb config files |
| 11:54.47 | Skaag | I apologize in advance for the huge huge output |
| 11:55.05 | Skaag | ukasz: it doesn't need one, just type the command to mount the remote to a local directory |
| 11:55.08 | george | Skaag: it didn't hit the channel... so no problem |
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| 11:55.34 | Skaag | ukasz: I believe you can stick a mount line in /etc/fstab once you are comfortable with it |
| 11:55.48 | Skaag | ukasz: I think the docs that come with the package discuss this |
| 11:56.18 | Skaag | ukasz: I use fuse to mount remote SSH directories, it's so good, I don't know how i've managed before. |
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| 11:58.25 | Malagmyr | On a fresh install of Debian stable, I can't seem to get samba to support >2GB files. Using kernel 2.4.27-3-686, samba 3.0.14a-3sarge2 and an ext3 file system. Any ideas? |
| 11:59.52 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: hrm... that seems like a bug somewhere; can you paste /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.info? |
| 11:59.59 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: use the pastebot again, if you would |
| 12:00.02 | Skaag | sure. |
| 12:00.15 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: the version that this is would also help |
| 12:00.31 | Skaag | version of what? |
| 12:00.51 | dondelelcaro | errr, nevermind... I can find out myself. |
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| 12:01.03 | streuner | Malagmyr: read /usr/share/doc/samba about |
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| 12:01.06 | Skaag | there is no /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.info |
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| 12:01.19 | streuner | Malagmyr: maybe there is something about limitations |
| 12:01.20 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: meant x11-common.postinst |
| 12:01.36 | george | is there .../x11-common.*? |
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| 12:02.11 | ukasz | Skaag: i can not mount them under my user account on root i can but can't read them and chcnge permissions |
| 12:02.13 | Sekelsenmat | hello, where can I find a list of which packages are included on each debian CD? |
| 12:02.16 | ukasz | Skaag: fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied |
| 12:02.20 | Sekelsenmat | I would like to choose which cds I need |
| 12:02.37 | Skaag | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4381 |
| 12:02.42 | george | Sekelsenmat: the truth is you need none cds :) |
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| 12:02.46 | freespace | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.54 | RvGaTe | phpnuborn, you there? |
| 12:02.55 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.57 | cydork | !tell Sekelsenmat -about cd contents |
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| 12:03.01 | Skaag | ukasz: you need to add yourself to a specific group, read the docs, it only took me 1 minute to set it up |
| 12:03.15 | ukasz | ok |
| 12:03.32 | Skaag | ukasz: don't worry, it's a tiny readme, very simple |
| 12:03.33 | streuner | Sekelsenmat: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 12:03.40 | Skaag | ukasz: I would tell you here, if I remembered exactly :-) |
| 12:04.05 | Sekelsenmat | thanks |
| 12:04.11 | Skaag | george: yes there are a bunch of x11-common.* files, the URL I posted above is the contents of x11-common.postinst |
| 12:05.15 | Skaag | dpkg! nooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 12:05.24 | Skaag | ;-) |
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| 12:05.38 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
| 12:05.38 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:05.44 | Skaag | :-) |
| 12:05.45 | george | at least GumbyBRAIN is still around |
| 12:06.05 | Skaag | george: whozat? |
| 12:06.22 | george | a gooey clay thingybot |
| 12:06.23 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: hrm... that's a really old x11-common package... it should have been replaced by the newer versions by now. |
| 12:06.35 | Skaag | dondelelcaro: that's what i'm trying to do :-( |
| 12:06.54 | Skaag | can I somehow force things into place? |
| 12:06.56 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: yeah, just put exit 0; at the top of the postinst, and let the new ones install. |
| 12:07.04 | Skaag | that's it? |
| 12:07.05 | Skaag | ok |
| 12:07.18 | Sekelsenmat | Any other way to see the jigdo file other then using zless? |
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| 12:07.31 | dondelelcaro | Sekelsenmat: what do you want to do with it? |
| 12:07.37 | george | forcing is usually a bad idea because sometimes it influences and is influenced by other packages |
| 12:08.23 | Sekelsenmat | search for package names |
| 12:08.31 | cydork | Sekelsenmat: that factoid also gives you site where you can search for same. |
| 12:09.13 | Skaag | now it complains x11-common is trying to install something that also exists in xfree86-defaults |
| 12:09.46 | dondelelcaro | Sekelsenmat: you can use zgrep, gzip -dc; or whatever else you want. |
| 12:09.59 | Sekelsenmat | thanks |
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| 12:10.19 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: which version of x11-common is it trying to install? |
| 12:10.21 | Skaag | actually I think aptitude managed to overcome that hurdle |
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| 12:11.01 | Skaag | x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-5_i386.deb |
| 12:11.21 | george | that do it? |
| 12:11.43 | Skaag | ? |
| 12:12.01 | george | so that got installed? |
| 12:12.02 | Skaag | it looks ok for now |
| 12:12.03 | Skaag | yes |
| 12:12.14 | Skaag | how do I use dpkg to query for the status of a package? |
| 12:12.24 | Skaag | (to see if it's installed ok) |
| 12:12.37 | george | first howbout looking at ALL of dpkg's tricks? |
| 12:12.48 | Skaag | :-) |
| 12:12.51 | Skaag | I know some of them |
| 12:12.52 | george | you can type...dpkg --help |
| 12:12.54 | Skaag | but good idea |
| 12:12.57 | ukasz | Skaag: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 12:13.02 | george | now you can find the rest :) |
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| 12:13.09 | george | and it's -s |
| 12:13.10 | ukasz | i have added my user and still have problems |
| 12:13.29 | ukasz | i've read all the docs and still crap |
| 12:13.33 | ukasz | :( |
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| 12:14.13 | Skaag | ukasz: you logged out/in again? |
| 12:14.26 | Skaag | ukasz: you need to setuid that binary |
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| 12:14.30 | Skaag | ukasz: did you do that? |
| 12:14.30 | ukasz | oh damm i forgot |
| 12:14.33 | ukasz | sory |
| 12:14.39 | Skaag | 50 lashes for you! |
| 12:14.49 | Skaag | oh wait this is not Saudi Arabia |
| 12:14.52 | Skaag | damn |
| 12:14.57 | george | oh damn, now you'll look like claudia shiffer... |
| 12:15.04 | Skaag | lol |
| 12:15.08 | george | she has at least 50 lashes |
| 12:15.23 | Sekelsenmat | strange |
| 12:15.24 | Skaag | I wonder how many I have |
| 12:15.28 | Sekelsenmat | I searched for fp-compiler _i386 |
| 12:15.38 | Sekelsenmat | and it says it's on both CDs 2 and 9 o.O from etch |
| 12:15.40 | enouf | Skaag: I have all 3 of those pkgs you mentioned earlier installed here .. ii x11-common 7.0.22 X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure :: ii libsm6 1.0.0-4 X11 Session Management library :: ii libqt3-mt 3.3.6-2 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version |
| 12:15.42 | george | 50 less since you gave them to ukasz! |
| 12:15.53 | Skaag | :-) |
| 12:16.09 | enouf | Skaag: are you still having issues? or resolved now |
| 12:16.15 | Skaag | enouf: yes but you probably upgraded more often than me, and probably not from 'testing' |
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| 12:16.28 | Sekelsenmat | ah, sorry |
| 12:16.30 | Skaag | enouf: so far it looks ok, thx. the upgrade is continuing. |
| 12:16.32 | Sekelsenmat | it's dvd 2 and cd 9 |
| 12:16.37 | Skaag | i'll know soon, if it finishes successfuly. |
| 12:16.39 | enouf | Skaag: not really .. it's an older stale sid from a few months ago |
| 12:16.48 | Skaag | enouf: I see |
| 12:16.50 | enouf | Skaag: ok .. |
| 12:16.54 | wimpies | anybody here that has had problems with recording from microphone using hda-intel sound ? |
| 12:17.29 | enouf | Skaag: I've found many times I forget to 'apt-get update' which causes weirdness (for me anyways0 |
| 12:17.44 | Skaag | I tried twice this morning |
| 12:17.51 | enouf | Skaag: not 'upgrade' just to be clear |
| 12:17.58 | Skaag | yes |
| 12:18.02 | enouf | Skaag: and what happened on update? |
| 12:18.11 | Skaag | it got all the new stuff fine |
| 12:18.24 | enouf | ok .. then that's not an issue :-) |
| 12:18.26 | Skaag | it's a local mirror, very fast, it always works for me |
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| 12:19.29 | Marco_gigabit | Hi |
| 12:19.31 | ukasz | ok it is working but kaffeine is not playing mp3s |
| 12:19.36 | ukasz | :( |
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| 12:19.44 | enouf | nice .. curious what happens if you do ' ~$ grep /usr/include/ /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.postinst ' <-- as that relates to your original error .. I have not yet viewed your enormous pastebins yet though :0 |
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| 12:20.26 | enouf | Skaag: fwiw -- I get one line returned only --> /usr/include/X11) echo ../X11R6/include/X11 ;; |
| 12:20.43 | ukasz | Skaag: any idea ? |
| 12:21.03 | Skaag | ukasz: can you play them with something like xmms? |
| 12:21.25 | Skaag | ukasz: it could be another problem entirely, something related to kaffeine itself, and the way it executes the mp3 playing functionality |
| 12:21.28 | ukasz | i have to install it first w8 i will try |
| 12:21.35 | mouse`eat | hi |
| 12:21.36 | enouf | ukasz: have you fiddles about with the sound systme settings in K control center? |
| 12:21.41 | enouf | fiddled* |
| 12:21.47 | mouse`eat | what is the package for the kernel headers 2.6.8-3 |
| 12:21.47 | mouse`eat | ? |
| 12:21.50 | Skaag | enouf: me too, just that one line |
| 12:21.52 | mouse`eat | i cannot find in repositories |
| 12:21.57 | ukasz | i use gnome |
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| 12:22.00 | enouf | Skaag: gotcha ..ok |
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| 12:22.39 | enouf | mouse`eat: apt-cache search -n headers | grep 2.6.8 |
| 12:22.58 | mouse`eat | nothing |
| 12:23.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/03/peter_jenner/ |
| 12:23.33 | enouf | mouse`eat: erm .. try apt-cache search -n headers | grep 2.6 |
| 12:23.39 | Skaag | ok all is good!! |
| 12:23.44 | Skaag | dondelelcaro and george, thanks!! |
| 12:23.55 | enouf | mouse`eat: looks good? linux-headers-2.6-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 12:24.09 | mouse`eat | that it's ok? |
| 12:24.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | And no, no need to say "oh, old news, I already seen this 3 times..." to appear 1337 hax0r like... Oh yeah, i got all new s before they are released... If you're about to say this about this link, well no need |
| 12:24.18 | mouse`eat | for 2.6.8 i mean |
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| 12:25.14 | enouf | mouse`eat: what's apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6-686 tell you |
| 12:25.45 | cydork | enouf: 2.6.8 is for sarge, it will have kernel-headers |
| 12:25.46 | Chandu | Hi |
| 12:26.09 | enouf | cydork: my initial Sarge install didn't have any headers |
| 12:26.18 | Chandu | I want to customize debian installer ..How do I do that |
| 12:26.18 | mouse`eat | zeus:/home/claudio/ieee80211-1.2.15# make && make install |
| 12:26.18 | mouse`eat | Checking in /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386 for ieee80211 components... |
| 12:26.18 | mouse`eat | find: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/build/: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.18 | mouse`eat | grep: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/build//.config: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.18 | mouse`eat | grep: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/build//include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory |
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| 12:26.30 | enouf | cydork: may give some output apt-rdepends linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 12:26.35 | enouf | haha |
| 12:26.38 | enouf | booted |
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| 12:28.51 | Chandu | How t oconfigure bootsplash over debian etch -- 2.6.17-9 kernel |
| 12:29.14 | Chandu | I hope by default bootsplash is not enabled .. in this kernel |
| 12:29.37 | george | I guess a boot splash is done with boot loader in part |
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| 12:30.41 | cydork | enouf: didn't have any headers?? |
| 12:31.01 | enouf | cydork: I know 2.6.8 is sarge standard .. and nope .. no header files then |
| 12:31.11 | h3sp4wn | Chandu: Bootsplash needs kernel patches does it not ? |
| 12:31.13 | cydork | enouf: you mean installed right. |
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| 12:32.44 | enouf | cydork: Yes .. I installed Sarge from CD1 ...it's only after I d/l source for the my recent 2.6.16, do I have any headers .. maybe I'm confused .. whio knows |
| 12:32.47 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 12:33.25 | kanaldrache | If i try to install a self-build kernel, i got depmod: /lib/modules/2.6.16mib/modules.alias is not an ELF file and a lot of depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.16mib/kernel/crypto/crc32c.ko |
| 12:33.38 | Chandu | h3sp4wn, ya .. It needed .. But from where can I get |
| 12:33.44 | enouf | cydork: IOW .. there was never anything within the Dir /usr/src/ until I recently d/l source |
| 12:33.56 | kanaldrache | The kernel does install on a lot of systems here but on six it fails with this message |
| 12:34.38 | h3sp4wn | Chandu: Presumably from the bootsplash website but to use it you need to apply kernel patches (if you don't want kernel patches - try splashy) |
| 12:34.45 | cydork | enouf: /msg dpke info kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 sarge |
| 12:35.05 | enouf | cydork: I guess the installer used an initrd rather than build a kernel initially .. I guess that's the diff .. --> ok will do |
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| 12:35.37 | enouf | cydork: optional |
| 12:35.44 | cydork | enouf: yep |
| 12:35.47 | cydork | :) |
| 12:35.51 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:36.24 | enouf | cydork: now do an apt-cache on the same |
| 12:36.31 | enouf | nada returned |
| 12:36.37 | Malagmyr | Are there any distributions or perhaps simply some debian packages, that are designed to make your machine look like they do in the movies? You know, compiling with a bunch of squares trying to hold together, file transfers with big red progress bars saying "Downloading NOC list" etc. |
| 12:36.52 | enouf | cydork: I think the kernel packages were turned into meta-pkgs at some point |
| 12:36.59 | freespace | why do you ask Malagmyr ? |
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| 12:37.45 | cydork | enouf: sarge is frozen, from long time :) |
| 12:37.47 | Malagmyr | freespace: Because I'd like to have one, of course. I know it would be an extremely impractical setup, but it'd be fun to use nonetheless. |
| 12:38.03 | freespace | hehe, i think they just use flsah or something |
| 12:38.05 | george | Malagmyr: you have better than the movies... you have something that -works- better than they could have ever envisioned |
| 12:38.28 | enouf | cydork: I haven't ever done an apt-clean .. why is there nothing showing in the " apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 " output then?? |
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| 12:38.35 | Malagmyr | george: I know, I know. I'd never use such a thing for actual work. It's just the gadget factor of it! |
| 12:38.44 | george | look at what the movies did, and try to make a graphic like that... |
| 12:38.54 | cydork | Malagmyr: you can play minesweeper while installing packages with aptitiude. :) |
| 12:38.57 | george | you might say, "movies are magic"... ok... |
| 12:39.13 | george | so look at the magic, and try to see how you can do the trick |
| 12:39.17 | Malagmyr | cydork :P |
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| 12:39.55 | cydork | enouf: what does just kernel-headers say? |
| 12:40.01 | freespace | movies computers make us look cool |
| 12:40.07 | freespace | s/us/computers/ |
| 12:40.17 | freespace | probably why the masses think computers are "easy" |
| 12:40.24 | Malagmyr | can't believe nobody has done anything like it, though. been googling it for a while, but can't seem to find anything. |
| 12:40.30 | freespace | those BIG SHINY BUTTONS that say like DOWNLOAD UBER CLASSIFIED FILE NOW |
| 12:40.43 | freespace | or TRANSFER MONEy To MY CAYMAN ISLAND ACCOUNT |
| 12:40.48 | enouf | cydork: my intial posting shows .. when what returned --> ! |
| 12:40.48 | enouf | [07:13:32] <enouf> mouse`eat: looks good? linux-headers-2.6-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 12:40.51 | freespace | and they go home and wonder where those buttons are |
| 12:41.09 | cydork | enouf: are you sure you are running sarge? |
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| 12:41.18 | freespace | Malagmyr: hey, you know, you can make one... |
| 12:41.23 | Malagmyr | I want the Worm Compiler 1.2 or whatever the guy uses in swordfish |
| 12:41.33 | Malagmyr | $$$ |
| 12:41.44 | freespace | ? |
| 12:41.45 | enouf | cydork: never said I was :-) |
| 12:43.50 | enouf | cydork: I'm tellin ya .. there was a merger at some point .. having to do with ttaking care of the kernel exploitability .. for security puposes .. read what dpkg says about kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 .. she says "... Version: 2.6.8-16sarge5 (sarge).. " see the 8-16 versioning? |
| 12:44.26 | enouf | cydork: don't make me crawl back under my rock :-( |
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| 12:45.49 | enouf | goes to pour some coffee |
| 12:45.55 | enouf | !coffe cydork |
| 12:46.00 | enouf | bah !coffee cydork |
| 12:46.19 | simonrvn | !coffee enouf |
| 12:46.26 | simonrvn | looks like you need some |
| 12:46.47 | enouf | thanks chums :-p |
| 12:46.52 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 12:50.01 | Malagmyr | !botsnack |
| 12:50.01 | dpkg | Malagmyr: aw, gee |
| 12:50.04 | Malagmyr | :) |
| 12:50.27 | enouf | Malagmyr: ahh .. good ol 1996 Mission Impossible .. hehe .. yeah .. get a Mac :-p |
| 12:51.02 | rhalff | hi how to continue dpkg-buildpackage at the install stage ? |
| 12:51.11 | Malagmyr | :D |
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| 12:51.28 | enouf | Malagmyr: I liked the way the mail worked too :-P .. Job@ Maxine .. look closely .. see how small tom cruise's laptop was then ? |
| 12:51.31 | Malagmyr | rhalff: huh? what are you trying to do? |
| 12:51.45 | enouf | the screen was like 9 inches :-o |
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| 12:52.59 | enouf | Malagmyr: I'd be more interested in somehthing like the Matrix (movie) screens .. really impressive :-p .. though I'm sure someone's done that already |
| 12:53.05 | rhalff | Malagmyr, I rebuild apache2.2, everything goes fine, but one little error in the install stage, I would like to restart that |
| 12:53.48 | rhalff | hm it actually was the last step in the install stage :p |
| 12:53.53 | rhalff | fixed :) |
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| 12:54.16 | Malagmyr | enouf: well, there are the screen savers. I think it'd be quite hard to actually work with all your consoles just scrolling by like someone put a racing engine on your mousewheel |
| 12:54.20 | enouf | rhalff: you are amazing! |
| 12:54.37 | rhalff | enouf, thanks thanks |
| 12:54.42 | enouf | nods at Malagmyr |
| 12:55.10 | enouf | !pet rhalff |
| 12:55.26 | enouf | !comfort rhalff ? |
| 12:55.27 | dpkg | There, there, rhalff. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:55.44 | enouf | !anyone |
| 12:55.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:55.46 | rhalff | somehow install isn't the last step in dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 12:56.43 | enouf | rhalff: atta-boy/gal |
| 12:58.00 | george | rhalff: no... that just builds a package up from source |
| 12:58.11 | yacc | Ok, I've got troubles with vmware not handling power down very well. VMs don't come up after I shutdown my Linux laptop. |
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| 12:58.25 | george | then you send it using snail mail to your server in antartica... |
| 12:58.28 | rhalff | george, how can I continue from that point, install succeeded |
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| 12:58.58 | george | and it gets there... and in antartica where the package was delivered to, you use dpkg to install it |
| 12:59.13 | george | if you type dpkg --help |
| 12:59.22 | george | then you find all the little tricks it can do |
| 12:59.23 | snail | george: i do mail to antartica? |
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| 12:59.35 | rhalff | but I see no fresh build packages.. :( |
| 12:59.38 | ukasz | what program to make partitions is good to use it in a script |
| 12:59.44 | george | well not really :) but you really do use dpkg to install .debs |
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| 12:59.57 | george | rhalff: shhh... look in .. |
| 13:00.06 | george | don't tell anyone! |
| 13:00.21 | rhalff | it ain't in /usr/src |
| 13:00.23 | ukasz | what program to make partitions is good to use it in a script ? |
| 13:00.25 | george | after you use dpkg-buildpackage... it's in .. |
| 13:00.33 | rhalff | ah /tmp |
| 13:00.34 | george | there's no *.deb there? |
| 13:00.38 | rhalff | nope. |
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| 13:00.58 | Braindead | ukasz: parted+fdisk? |
| 13:01.04 | george | but there is one in /tmp? |
| 13:01.06 | rhalff | not in /tmp either, ok whatever lets rebuild :p |
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| 13:01.27 | ukasz | fdisk can not be used in script becouse it prompts user for info |
| 13:01.28 | george | what dir are you in when you run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:01.49 | ukasz | and you can not write one command and execute it |
| 13:02.03 | rhalff | usr/src/apache-2-2.2.3\ |
| 13:02.23 | george | ok, type this: |
| 13:02.27 | george | debian/rules clean |
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| 13:02.30 | george | debian/rules build |
| 13:02.37 | george | debian/rules binary |
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| 13:02.48 | ukasz | cfdis is the same |
| 13:02.55 | cydork | rhalff: what are you trying to do? build apache from what? |
| 13:03.02 | george | look into sfdisk |
| 13:03.09 | rhalff | ah clean unmodifies the rules file ? |
| 13:03.12 | ukasz | i need a program that will use all free space as a ext3 patition |
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| 13:03.17 | cydork | ukasz: they can be handled using expect but not sure. |
| 13:03.34 | george | clean shouldn't touch rules |
| 13:03.36 | enouf | ukasz: not sure if sfdisk , or cfsdsik are scriptable .. also look into gparted, partman, etc |
| 13:03.43 | rhalff | ah ok, good |
| 13:03.44 | enouf | cfdisk* |
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| 13:04.30 | george | what clean should do tho, is do like distclean |
| 13:04.33 | rhalff | what a waste of processor power. . rebuilding.. |
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| 13:05.04 | kozy | hey people, I got a dual xeon 5130 machine. What architecture is this? Intel IA-64 or Intel x86 |
| 13:05.14 | george | this time... look at the output... it will tell you it's building a deb... and where is it building it |
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| 13:06.38 | rhalff | george, installing apache2.2 on stable gives an error because it expects a function from a newer find not available in stable, should I report this as a bug so installing it on stable will be less harder ? |
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| 13:06.53 | rhalff | installing from source.. |
| 13:07.03 | george | well |
| 13:07.20 | george | let's see if you come up with the answer given the situation: |
| 13:07.27 | george | stable is released already |
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| 13:07.44 | rhalff | 2.2 on sarge ? |
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| 13:07.52 | cydork | rhalff: from which source? are you trying build debian package apache2.2 from original sources?? or debian sources? |
| 13:07.53 | george | apache-some.thing is an official package for sarge |
| 13:08.09 | george | maybe not 2.2, maybe not even 2.anything |
| 13:08.19 | rhalff | cydork, from debian sources, to much config file changing if I build from normal source |
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| 13:08.49 | george | once they get close to release, they start testing to make sure all the packages work together under a wide variety of conditions |
| 13:08.54 | cydork | rhalff: are you trying simple sid backport? |
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| 13:09.16 | george | then once no errors, they can release once cd images and floppy boot images are made |
| 13:09.37 | rhalff | cydork, no building from source, nothing simple about simple sid backport, it just doesn't work, dependency problems, libc6 etc. |
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| 13:09.42 | psb154 | I've added 'X11Fording yes' and ForwardX11=yes to both .ssh/config and .ssh/ssh_config on the remote-host but I can't get xterm to show up on my desktop after ssh-ing to the remote-host. Any ideas? |
| 13:09.45 | george | say apache-1.3 is the latest available from sarge... |
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| 13:09.53 | george | for the sake of the conversaion |
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| 13:10.00 | rhalff | george, no there is apache2 also, 2.0.54 |
| 13:10.14 | Malagmyr | damn I love this movie. "To get in here, you need to pass a retinal scan, voice print identification, not raise the room temparature by a single degree, etc etc." However, we have built airducts that are large enough for two adult males to actually crawl past eachother in. People breathe a lot in here, you see. |
| 13:10.15 | george | ok, so let's take that version instead |
| 13:10.33 | george | the thing is, 2.0 is in, 2.2 is not |
| 13:10.35 | rhalff | anyways I get this trivial error when trying to build apache2.2 from sid source, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SSjVNu95.html enough to make them comply it to an earlier find ? |
| 13:10.49 | george | so, is it a bug that 2.2 fails to build? |
| 13:11.15 | rhalff | george, yeah but the source is not made for sarge, so it's not really a bug. |
| 13:11.38 | rhalff | but it's so trivial :p |
| 13:11.41 | rhalff | to fix it. |
| 13:11.44 | george | exactly... sarge is out the door already... and those versions will never change |
| 13:11.48 | thegve | Good afternoon. We are having with our mail server (qmail), which I can't get rid off in a normal way, as we're using plesk. I've now installed a second mail server running exim. I plan to use this server for all relaying stuff and virus and spam filtering. All local mail should then be forwarded to the old mailserver for delivery in the maildir box, I'd like to avoid problems with configuring this in the correct way. |
| 13:12.00 | thegve | How can I configure exim to forward this mail to the other server |
| 13:12.13 | george | if it's -important-, meaning a critical security fix, maybe that could get accepted |
| 13:12.17 | thegve | I'm trying with a transport using the smtp driver |
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| 13:12.30 | george | they won't do anything else to sarge |
| 13:12.56 | possie | anyone know an asset management tool, which uses SNMP to query machines in order to look at version of kernel, etc? |
| 13:12.56 | petemc | thegve: you would need a manualroute router |
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| 13:13.27 | rhalff | george, ah ok I'll just report it then |
| 13:13.39 | george | but |
| 13:13.42 | george | it's not a bug |
| 13:13.44 | george | not at all |
| 13:14.10 | george | because: 2.2 will NEVER be added to sarge on an official basis |
| 13:14.13 | george | however |
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| 13:14.17 | Spilio | hola |
| 13:14.17 | rhalff | nope, it's backward compile compatability : |
| 13:14.25 | enouf | laughs wildly at Malagmyr's plot interpretation :-p |
| 13:14.25 | george | having said that, you can look at backports.org |
| 13:14.41 | rhalff | george, they don't have a apache2 package. |
| 13:14.44 | Spilio | channel debian in spanish please? |
| 13:14.48 | Braindead | !es |
| 13:14.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:14.52 | enouf | Malagmyr: rats climb high tooo .. there's LOTs of food up there ya know |
| 13:15.13 | Malagmyr | enouf: yeah, I always throw excess food into the airducts |
| 13:15.23 | george | rats or rates? |
| 13:15.27 | Malagmyr | enouf: makes for such good smell the coming weeks |
| 13:15.34 | Maakuth | Malagmyr, what movie btw? |
| 13:15.54 | enouf | kozy: in case nobody responded . Xeon is a p4 and 686 and x64 .. not an ia64 (itanium) |
| 13:16.03 | Malagmyr | Maakuth: we were talking earlier, and somehow got to the subject of Mission Impossible :) |
| 13:16.08 | enouf | kozy: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 13:16.14 | Maakuth | allright |
| 13:16.48 | enouf | Malagmyr: somehow? .. hehe .. I recall hte terminolgy .. "Downloading NOC list" .. hehe |
| 13:17.25 | enouf | Malagmyr: how many pigfat injections did it take to get her lips that phat anyways ? |
| 13:17.27 | thegve | petemc: That seams right, but somewhat difficult to configure (or explained in the manual).... First have some pie :) |
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| 13:17.44 | enouf | Malagmyr: erm .. her upper lip :-p |
| 13:18.07 | Malagmyr | I don't wanna know :) |
| 13:18.19 | enouf | falls off chair |
| 13:18.28 | george | her upper lip is a mission: impossible?? |
| 13:18.39 | george | what does that even mean?? |
| 13:19.16 | petemc | thegve: its not overly complicated, if you dont know anything about exim the number of options can seem daunting |
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| 13:21.47 | kozy | enouf: so I start installing woody with the i368 netinst I guess, tnx |
| 13:21.56 | rambo3 | error -12263 on apache2 ssl . what does that mean |
| 13:22.04 | george | yeah, boot it and see |
| 13:22.23 | george | have the install manual handyu |
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| 13:23.50 | cydork | kozy: woody?? i hope you mean sarge, and that is x86-64 i think so you can install amd64 . |
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| 13:24.53 | george | right, i386 might work on the amd, but if there's a subarch available that's closer to what yhou have, try it first |
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| 13:26.12 | XrMb2 | if i'm checking a filesystem by using fsck and the message... |
| 13:26.20 | XrMb2 | Error reading block 3619 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. Ignore error<y>? |
| 13:26.24 | cyzie | does debian support Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g 54Mbps Wireless Mini Card ?? |
| 13:26.25 | enouf | kozy: on a Xeon? |
| 13:26.26 | XrMb2 | appears...what shall i do then? |
| 13:26.41 | kozy | well the stable release, debian is so fast :) yes, a xeon 5130 |
| 13:26.42 | enouf | hugs george for the mi pun |
| 13:26.50 | XrMb2 | i mean, i may ignore the error, but shall i really do that? |
| 13:26.57 | petemc | cyzie: you would need to know the real chipset, some dells use broadcom, others intel |
| 13:26.59 | george | worst case, replace the drive |
| 13:27.10 | XrMb2 | i shall replace it? seriously?! |
| 13:27.15 | george | maybe |
| 13:27.17 | enouf | kozy: that's Sarge! .. /msg dpkg versioning |
| 13:27.23 | enouf | or versions |
| 13:27.28 | XrMb2 | damn it, i can't replace it atm and it contains very critical data |
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| 13:28.00 | XrMb2 | i mean, do i have any options instead of pressing "y" ? |
| 13:28.01 | cyzie | petemc, thanks, that laptop is quite new, using amd turion, hence i believe it should be other than intel |
| 13:28.12 | enouf | bah .. it's "version" .. but that's not the factoid i wanted |
| 13:28.16 | petemc | cyzie: no point guessing |
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| 13:28.32 | george | hmm, there may be physical damage to some of the sectors... so if this data is critical, you do have the job-saving backups you made periodically throughout the life of the project... |
| 13:28.34 | george | yes? |
| 13:28.56 | cyzie | petemc, agree. but im looking for new laptop. so before buy, have to make sure everything is compatible. if u know what im trying to accomplish |
| 13:29.24 | petemc | cyzie: right, it shouldnt be too hard to find out the actual chipset |
| 13:29.36 | mouse_ | hi |
| 13:29.43 | cyzie | petemc, any pointers how to find out? |
| 13:29.59 | mouse_ | anyone can tell me if there is ieee80211 as default kernel module? |
| 13:30.07 | petemc | cyzie: there should be a specs sheet on dell site |
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| 13:33.12 | george | anyways, if you have a backup, that makes the worst-case scenario not bad at all |
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| 13:34.00 | XrMb2 | what happens if i un-plug manually my non-hot-plug harddisk from the system, while it is running? |
| 13:34.06 | XrMb2 | the disk is not mounted currently |
| 13:34.26 | george | could cause electrical problems in the motherboard |
| 13:34.35 | XrMb2 | so i shall halt it first |
| 13:34.40 | XrMb2 | damn :/ |
| 13:34.40 | george | yes |
| 13:34.42 | enouf | XrMb2: not advisable .. but try it .. and then tell us :-p |
| 13:34.58 | XrMb2 | i'm afraid the kernel may initiate a system halt |
| 13:35.07 | george | it's possible |
| 13:35.10 | XrMb2 | which would cause a freeze |
| 13:36.03 | george | which is why if you really consider this data critical, you should already have (1) a backup and (2) a backup plan |
| 13:36.09 | george | oops, gone |
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| 13:57.54 | asdzxc | hi |
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| 13:57.56 | asdzxc | how can i install mod_mono ? |
| 13:58.09 | asdzxc | i installed mono-apache-server2 |
| 13:58.11 | GooE | do i need a NFS entry in FSTAB if want to mount nfs directories as a normal user? |
| 13:58.38 | asdzxc | this page 'http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/mono-apache-server2' says i also need libapache2-mon-mono |
| 13:58.48 | asdzxc | but aptitude says there's not such a package |
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| 13:59.10 | asdzxc | what's wrong ? |
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| 13:59.39 | asdzxc | that package is only in testing/unstable but it depends on newer version of mono-apache-server2 |
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| 14:01.27 | enouf | asdzxc: /msg dpkg info libapache2-mod-mono sid |
| 14:01.54 | enouf | oh the noes .. not Asp .. ugh! |
| 14:02.41 | asdzxc | but it's from unstable |
| 14:03.04 | asdzxc | and it depends on other version of Mono then the one in mono-apache-server2 |
| 14:03.06 | enouf | asdzxc: yes? and ? you wanna pollute the web with .NET? |
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| 14:03.37 | asdzxc | enouf why there's package mono-apache-server2 and not libapache2-mod-mono ? |
| 14:03.47 | asdzxc | the mono-apache-server2 is useless without libapache2-mod-mono :) |
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| 14:03.56 | enouf | asdzxc: check the BTS? |
| 14:03.59 | asdzxc | it doesn't have a sense |
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| 14:04.42 | erore | I need some help with what to setup to be able to monitor on my router which ip of the internal network is downloading how much, some statistics... |
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| 14:05.10 | asdzxc | enouf what ? |
| 14:05.34 | enouf | !bts |
| 14:05.34 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 14:10.01 | enouf | asdzxc: afaict .. apt-rdepends mono-apache-server2 | grep libapache2 <-- that says there's no dependency upon and libapache2 pkg |
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| 14:10.17 | enouf | s/and/any |
| 14:11.37 | aldin | hi, hdparm tells me i dont have dma on /dev/hda |
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| 14:11.58 | aldin | when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda i got some operation not permitted |
| 14:11.59 | enouf | aldin: what HDD ? and system? |
| 14:12.08 | enouf | aldin: as root |
| 14:12.19 | aldin | sarge, laptop, atichipset, seagate 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:12.25 | aldin | as root offcourse |
| 14:12.32 | enouf | aldin: try sdparm maybe |
| 14:12.53 | enouf | man sdparm |
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| 14:13.38 | aldin | ok, at them moment i am at university using wireless and ubuntu on my laptop, i havent got ndiswrapper on sarge yet |
| 14:13.47 | aldin | one more thing |
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| 14:14.16 | aldin | i've installed acpi acpid powernowd, but my cpu cant go lower than 1800 - max |
| 14:14.23 | aldin | on ubuntu i have 800MHz |
| 14:14.34 | aldin | cpu MHz : 800.000 |
| 14:14.43 | asdzxc | enouf dpkg says: libapache2-mod-mono depends on mono-apache-server (>= 1.1.17) | mono-apache-server2 (>= 1.1.17); |
| 14:14.47 | aldin | i also did modprobe powernow-k8 |
| 14:14.50 | aldin | didnt help |
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| 14:15.15 | AM|R | hi.. |
| 14:15.26 | enouf | aldin: cat /proc/version |
| 14:15.42 | AM|R | how to removed completely my apache2.. because im reinstall the dir is not remove and got problem.. |
| 14:15.58 | enouf | asdzxc: yes? .. and? what's hte issue again then .. I apologize |
| 14:16.04 | aldin | Linux version 2.6.17-10-generic (root@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5)) #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 (Ubuntu 2.6.17-10.33-generic) |
| 14:16.05 | aldin | i am on ubuntu at the moment if dont mind |
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| 14:16.35 | asdzxc | enouf issue is that there's a package mono-apache-server2 and there's NO package libapache2-mod-mono |
| 14:16.44 | aldin | model name : AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile ML-34 |
| 14:16.44 | enouf | AM|R: apt-get --purge remove apache2* perhaps .. but wait for others to respond |
| 14:16.49 | AM|R | thanks |
| 14:16.56 | asdzxc | enouf if i unserstand it well, package mono-apache-server2 is completely useless without libapache2-mod-mono |
| 14:17.03 | asdzxc | enouf cos it's backend for that module |
| 14:17.25 | aldin | i really want to have sarge or better etch |
| 14:17.32 | aldin | but need help with this heating |
| 14:17.37 | enouf | asdzxc: as I said .. you do not need ANY libapache2 pkgs for using mono-apache-server2 |
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| 14:18.25 | asdzxc | enouf from mod-apache-server2 description page: This package requires you to install libapache-mod-mono for Apache 1.3 or libapache2-mod-mono for Apache 2.0. |
| 14:18.32 | enouf | asdzxc: oh well .. whatever . see the BTS then .. perhaps file a wishlist bug report .. email the maintainer .. but check the BTS first, so as not to file a duplicate |
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| 14:19.14 | enouf | aldin: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 14:19.40 | enouf | aldin: but will try to help ... wioth your hardware issues , if that's what this is about |
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| 14:20.40 | aldin | enouf: thank u very much |
| 14:20.44 | enouf | AM|R: you could add an -s in that command for "simulation" if necessary .. like so .. |
| 14:21.00 | enouf | AM|R: apt-get -s --purge remove apache2* perhaps .. AGAIN .. but wait for others to respond |
| 14:21.22 | aldin | enouf: where i write /msg... |
| 14:21.25 | enouf | aldin: ok .. what's this heating issue then .. llemmee see |
| 14:21.35 | enouf | aldin: directly into you irc client |
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| 14:22.20 | enouf | aldin: AMD uses what's known as Cool-n-Quiet tech .. that's what they call theirs afaik |
| 14:22.37 | enouf | aldin: have you looked into your BIOS settings/features? |
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| 14:23.52 | khaleel | hi everyone..... does debian etch supprot reiser4? |
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| 14:24.32 | h3sp4wn | khaleel: It is still highly unstable |
| 14:24.32 | simonrvn | that sort of thing is always kernel dependent (+ patches if needed) |
| 14:24.51 | enouf | cydork ping :-p where'd everyone go ? :-( .. I feel like the cave monster/creature in that horrible ringo starr movie --> "Caveman" .. hehe .. actually Barbara Bach .. oh baby |
| 14:25.00 | enouf | ahhh there we go :-) |
| 14:25.08 | aldin | enouf: look i have dapper & edgy and debian sarge on my notebook. ubuntus works great, on debian i had to put noapic nolapic, and my temperature is not regulated as it is on ubuntu, though it works great on my desktop computer |
| 14:25.38 | aldin | now what to do to trigger it on the time |
| 14:25.43 | rsteele | ?? |
| 14:25.45 | aldin | i mean on temp regulations |
| 14:26.07 | aldin | because it heats on the 80celsuis |
| 14:26.12 | khaleel | h3sp4wn: so your answer is Nope get it done by your self? |
| 14:26.15 | h3sp4wn | khaleel: its in the -mm kernel tree |
| 14:26.16 | aldin | and then comes to coole |
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| 14:26.54 | h3sp4wn | khaleel: kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 |
| 14:26.58 | h3sp4wn | (that is in debian) |
| 14:27.00 | enouf | aldin: hrmmm /msg dpkg laptop and visit the sites she lists ;-) tuxmobile.org IIRC |
| 14:27.33 | khaleel | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 14:27.36 | cydork | enouf: huh? who what? where? |
| 14:27.54 | khaleel | but if it doensot supprot reiser4 how am i gonna install it on resier 4? |
| 14:28.12 | aldin | and other thing i cannot put down my cpu speed |
| 14:28.26 | aldin | it is 1800MHz, but on ubunut it has 800MHz |
| 14:28.34 | aldin | turion mobile |
| 14:28.48 | cydork | aldin: are you running debian? |
| 14:29.12 | aldin | not at the moment but i would like to solve these problems so i could upgrade to etch |
| 14:29.13 | h3sp4wn | khaleel: loads of ways - debootstrap from a kernel with reiserfs4 for example but its only worthwhile if you don't value your data at all |
| 14:29.28 | enouf | cydork: nm .. as you were :-p |
| 14:29.34 | aldin | i run ubuntu now, but have on other partition debian sarge |
| 14:29.42 | enouf | aldin see http://tuxmobil.org/cpu_amd.html |
| 14:29.51 | cydork | aldin: so upgrade to etch and see if you have these problems :) |
| 14:29.55 | Braindead | h3sp4wn: using reiserfs4 is a clear sign he doesn't value his data |
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| 14:30.38 | aldin | enouf: ok, will try that |
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| 14:32.45 | h3sp4wn | I wonder what squid would be like on a reiser4 partition (doesn't really matter if it gets trashed) |
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| 14:34.15 | enouf | aldin : for ex ..see steps 3,4, and 5 here http://www.bertol.de/linux/debian/sarge/nx6125/hp-nx6125_en.html mentions using Backported kernel and then enabling on powernow and such |
| 14:35.12 | khaleel | h3sp4wn: well i am willing to try ... can you tell me in a little detail or gimme an artile ? googled alot didnot find anything really promising.... wahts bootstarp? |
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| 14:35.49 | asdg | Hi, I'm fairly new to debian, I'm looking for a book that will give me a good overview of the system so I have a good base knowledge of how it works, can you recommend any books? |
| 14:36.04 | h3sp4wn | khaleel: I have never used it (and probably won't until it has been in the mainline kernel for at least 6 months) |
| 14:36.08 | aldin | enouf: thanks for link |
| 14:37.00 | khaleel | h3sp4wn: any perticular reason? |
| 14:37.08 | cydork | !tell asdg -about reference |
| 14:37.10 | aldin | enouf: i did all as ther but this |
| 14:37.11 | aldin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.14 | enouf | aldin: welcome .. note I just grabbed a relevant HP install (from the AMD64 turion section) .. review the 1st link and see if anyone's installed Debian on your specific Laptop Make/Model |
| 14:37.23 | cydork | asdg: that will get you started. :) |
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| 14:37.43 | enouf | aldin: and? |
| 14:37.53 | cydork | aldin: is that on debian? |
| 14:37.53 | h3sp4wn | khaleel: because its not stable |
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| 14:38.16 | enouf | aldin: after modprobing cpufreq-userspace? |
| 14:38.39 | khaleel | h3sp4wn: okie then i wont use it |
| 14:38.43 | enouf | cydork: it must be from bpo .. I think |
| 14:39.07 | enouf | cydork: here's the link mentioning it http://www.bertol.de/linux/debian/sarge/nx6125/hp-nx6125_en.html |
| 14:39.19 | asdg | cydork: thanks, I was looking for a book too though. I like to have something to read in bed or on the subway. I could just print out the debian reference, but I like the book format, it's more portable |
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| 14:39.40 | Solidad | how to specifiy a ssl for each domain? |
| 14:39.51 | aldin | enouf: u forgot that i am on ubutnu now, i dont have internet configured at sarge... i will try it later |
| 14:40.02 | cydork | asdg: there is a pdf availabel in debian package |
| 14:40.10 | enouf | cydork: I don;t seem to have that "cpufreq-userspace" avail here on a 2.6.16-2-686 kernel :-p |
| 14:40.22 | cydork | enouf: <aldin>: enouf: u forgot that i am on ubutnu now, |
| 14:40.26 | enouf | aldin: ok .. go and try :-) |
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| 14:40.39 | cydork | aldin: please go and ask #ubuntu |
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| 14:41.02 | enouf | cydork: I know .. he wants help with Debian though .. |
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| 14:41.15 | enouf | cydork: [09:14:45] <aldin> enouf: look i have dapper & edgy and debian sarge on my notebook. ubuntus works great, on debian i had to put noapic nolapic, and my temperature is not regulated as it is on ubuntu, though it works great on my desktop computer |
| 14:41.32 | LordCrimson | Hi. Here is question, what irc server is better? |
| 14:41.39 | LordCrimson | (daemon) |
| 14:41.40 | enouf | cydork: staples open cydork's eyelids -p |
| 14:41.45 | cydork | !better |
| 14:41.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 14:41.57 | madclicker | hi, any words on availability of 2.6.18 for etch ? |
| 14:41.59 | blondie | LordCrimson: better than what? |
| 14:41.59 | Ronin | LordCrimson: ack, why on earth would you want the hassle of running a irc server :) |
| 14:42.00 | enouf | !win cydork |
| 14:42.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, cydork! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 14:42.01 | compudaze | LordCrimson, personal preference - depends on what u want to do |
| 14:42.15 | blondie | OHNOES |
| 14:42.30 | enouf | heheh .. me blondie .. |
| 14:42.44 | blondie | o.o |
| 14:42.45 | blondie | no me blondie |
| 14:43.19 | enouf | I keep thinkin of the spaghetit westerns with Clint Eastwood .. The Good the Bad and the ugly .. "hey blondie .. blondie" |
| 14:43.27 | enouf | spaghetti even |
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| 14:43.37 | blondie | good film |
| 14:43.45 | enouf | yep .. and good eats too :-) |
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| 14:44.54 | enouf | madclicker: yep .. should be avail .. I think they're up to 2.6.18-2? see kernel.org .. the Installer only does 2.6.17 now IIRC |
| 14:45.18 | enouf | madclicker: oh sorry .. not sure about Etch .. oops |
| 14:45.29 | madclicker | enouf, i see only 2.6.17 for etch |
| 14:45.56 | enouf | madclicker: check the mailing lists for what's up then .. even BTS |
| 14:46.17 | enouf | madclicker: lists.debian.org |
| 14:46.30 | cydork | madclicker: it's not on etch yet. |
| 14:46.34 | madclicker | enouf, thnaks |
| 14:46.39 | madclicker | thanks |
| 14:46.53 | enouf | :-) |
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| 14:48.03 | dererk[w] | how could I do to propagate the permission policy of some directory ? |
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| 14:48.57 | dererk[w] | that, if a user creates a file, it has automatically determinated owner/group and permission |
| 14:49.10 | dererk[w] | determinates* |
| 14:49.52 | Solidad | how to specifiy a ssl for each domain? |
| 14:50.20 | dererk[w] | abrotman, do you know? :) |
| 14:50.25 | abrotman | know what ? |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | man chown |
| 14:50.37 | abrotman | or man chmod |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | oh! |
| 14:50.48 | dererk[w] | yes, I know, but I mean automatically |
| 14:50.54 | abrotman | umask |
| 14:50.58 | dererk[w] | GREAT! |
| 14:51.03 | dererk[w] | looking at its man |
| 14:51.09 | dererk[w] | thanks abrotman |
| 14:51.55 | dererk[w] | funny, doesnt have one, lol |
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| 14:52.57 | dendrite | dererk[w]: umask is probably documented in your shell documentation. Look into the "sticky bit" set on directories, to help control permissions of created objects. |
| 14:52.58 | ribasushi | greetings |
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| 14:53.29 | ribasushi | while using aptitude I noticed there is a bunch of tags defined for every package |
| 14:53.43 | ribasushi | is there an easy way to filter the package list by those tags? |
| 14:54.46 | FernandoMM | I'm going to upgrade a server from sarge to etch. Is there a way to restore sarge if something go wrong? |
| 14:55.01 | dendrite | FernandoMM: No. Well, yes, from backup... |
| 14:55.03 | SpComb | FernandoMM: it's called a backup |
| 14:55.07 | dererk[w] | ! tell FernandoMM about downgrade |
| 14:55.25 | ribasushi | ! tell ribasushi about downgrade |
| 14:55.45 | Anarka | ribasushi aptitude search ~Gtag |
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| 14:56.07 | FernandoMM | well i know what is a backup. I was just wondering if there is a program that automatically make a system backup |
| 14:56.39 | abrotman | ribasushi: those are debtags |
| 14:56.43 | SpComb | FernandoMM: apt-get certainly doesn't |
| 14:57.06 | SpComb | if you have the disk space somewhere, dd is the best option |
| 14:57.13 | ribasushi | Anarka: but this just gives me the netire list |
| 14:57.18 | cyzie | anybody with wireless laptop using hyperconnect technology? |
| 14:57.36 | Anarka | ribasushi ? |
| 14:57.41 | Braindead | ribasushi: yep,filter with ~Gtag |
| 14:57.43 | Anarka | aptitude search ~Ggame for ex |
| 14:58.01 | FernandoMM | SpComb: thanks, i will take a look at dd |
| 14:58.31 | SpComb | FernandoMM: basically, you can use it to take a raw byte-for-byte copy of your hard drive |
| 14:58.50 | Braindead | ah ok,already told. ribasushi get aptitude-doc-en and then look at /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 14:58.59 | ribasushi | Anarka: for instance I am looking for a utility similar to iptraf, the only thing I know about it that I want to have the 'interface::text-mode' and then I will look through the available categories and look at descriptions |
| 14:59.03 | FernandoMM | SpComb: and how can i restore it? |
| 14:59.11 | SpComb | FernandoMM: dd it back the other way |
| 14:59.16 | ribasushi | Anarka: how would you approach such a task? |
| 14:59.28 | dendrite | FernandoMM: tar is commonly used for backups. You can also search for backup utilities, there are quite a few. |
| 15:00.07 | dererk[w] | dendrite, thanks! |
| 15:00.08 | SpComb | you can, of course, also use tar to take a filesystem-level backup of your hard drive |
| 15:00.08 | Anarka | ribasushi that package has more tags |
| 15:00.10 | Anarka | Tag: admin::monitoring, interface::text-mode, protocol::ip, role::sw:utility, uitoolkit::ncurses, use::monitor |
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| 15:00.58 | dendrite | FernandoMM: tar has the advantage that it's likely to be smaller, especially if compressed, and it produces a more portable backup. |
| 15:01.57 | DanBrwn | where do you add a module so that it is loaded at boot, have a webcam module that i can modprobe but doesn't get loaded when restart. 2.16 kernel |
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| 15:02.02 | dendrite | DanBrwn: /etc/modules |
| 15:02.58 | FernandoMM | Just wondering, does anyone had problems when upgrading from sarge to etch with postfix, courier and all that stuff? |
| 15:03.17 | dendrite | FernandoMM: Look to the BTS |
| 15:03.17 | SlayerXP | FernandoMM: can you be less specific? |
| 15:03.28 | DanBrwn | dendrite: thanks |
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| 15:03.33 | Ono`afk | hi |
| 15:04.04 | dendrite | FernandoMM: A perfect upgrade is possible, but if you are concerned about glitches, as you should be, then make and test backups, and schedule yourself plenty of downtime. |
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| 15:04.21 | Ono`afk | can i build only php extensions? |
| 15:05.26 | FernandoMM | dendrite: ok, thanks for the tips |
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| 15:10.59 | me_ | hey |
| 15:11.16 | me_ | whats a good multi profile wifi manager |
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| 15:12.08 | dendrite | me_: No experience here, but I've heard of guessnet. |
| 15:12.26 | me_ | thx :) |
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| 15:13.03 | dererk[w] | abrotman, sorry me again, If I use umask, I just can manage permission policy, right? what about owner/group ? |
| 15:13.23 | dererk[w] | does it exist something like umask on changing owner/group? |
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| 15:14.04 | enouf | dererk[w]: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 15:14.50 | abrotman | dererk[w]: you can use sticky bits |
| 15:14.52 | dendrite | dererk[w]: man chmod, search for "direct" (as in directories.) |
| 15:15.05 | dendrite | abrotman: I already told him all that... %-/ |
| 15:15.18 | abrotman | dendrite: i know .. but his first question was a bit vague :) |
| 15:15.38 | dendrite | abrotman: Vague questions on #debian? Nah, never happens. =) |
| 15:16.00 | abrotman | dendrite: it happens .. once a year or so ... |
| 15:16.00 | dererk[w] | dendrite, abrotman yes, BUT, sticky bit only works for deleting |
| 15:16.14 | dererk[w] | I'm looking for creating too |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 15:16.15 | dendrite | dererk[w]: Ummmm... No. |
| 15:16.27 | dererk[w] | no? |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | dererk[w]: not at all .. it works for creation |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 15:16.35 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod |
| 15:16.41 | enouf | claps |
| 15:16.47 | abrotman | you have the clap ? |
| 15:17.00 | dererk[w] | Uhm, then what I read was wrong |
| 15:17.06 | enouf | !vdsmite abrotman |
| 15:17.15 | abrotman | !stdsmite enouf |
| 15:17.19 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:17.31 | dendrite | dererk[w]: dererk[w] I suggest you do some experimentation in an out-of-the-way directory somewhere. |
| 15:17.36 | dererk[w] | STICKY DIRECTORIES |
| 15:17.36 | dererk[w] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.37 | dererk[w] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:17.56 | dererk[w] | It just says delete or rename |
| 15:18.01 | enouf | !sticky transmitted diseases abrotman |
| 15:18.03 | dererk[w] | nothing more, and it's on manpage |
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| 15:19.02 | dererk[w] | dendrite, thanks, I will right now |
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| 15:19.09 | enouf | dererk[w]: ever hear of dpkg? |
| 15:19.38 | dererk[w] | enouf, I did read what you pointed before, but it just says what I already know :) |
| 15:20.06 | enouf | I think not .. not according to what you're saying |
| 15:23.25 | enouf | abi normal? ..where'd ya go .. :-( |
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| 15:23.56 | dobby | how can I found out if my pc is a 32bit or a 64bit system? |
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| 15:24.04 | enouf | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:24.14 | dendrite | Count 'em. |
| 15:24.30 | enouf | divide by the square root of pi |
| 15:24.32 | dobby | enouf there is nothing that points me to 64bit in cpuinfo! |
| 15:24.38 | dendrite | Smash the thing, and count the bits. |
| 15:24.47 | enouf | well .. then your system is dead or broken |
| 15:24.52 | dobby | nope |
| 15:24.54 | SerajewelKS | dobby: not even "model"? |
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| 15:25.13 | dobby | yes it shows the model but i want the number 64bit |
| 15:25.19 | dobby | 64 |
| 15:25.25 | enouf | !jfgi |
| 15:25.25 | dpkg | hmm... jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 15:25.27 | SerajewelKS | dobby: does it say "64" in the model somewhere? |
| 15:25.46 | dobby | arch |
| 15:26.01 | dobby | :) |
| 15:26.03 | dobby | yeahhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:26.38 | SerajewelKS | dobby: remember that's the architecture the kernel was built for |
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| 15:27.02 | SerajewelKS | dobby: you can run an i686 kernel on a 64bit cpu, and `arch` will say i686 |
| 15:27.19 | Chandu | I want to replace upper-bar-image of the debian G-I with my image ..Where should I replcae that |
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| 15:27.27 | enouf | cat /proc/version will give you info about installed OS and Kernel version |
| 15:28.01 | DanBrwn | have webcam, driver module loaded in kernel. How to create the actual device for use with v4l? |
| 15:28.17 | GooE | i am testing NFS with automounter, /etc/auto.master -> /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 , /etc/auto.misc -> linux -ro,soft,intr gamer.lanserver.no:/home/zapw/ISO , /etc/exports -> y/home/zapw/ISO *.lanserver.no(ro,sync) ,yet it fails to mount anything in /misc when i access the directory |
| 15:28.55 | dendrite | GooE: Any clues in the logs? |
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| 15:30.17 | GooE | dosent show anything |
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| 15:31.30 | N3m3SYS | hi there, has you anybody a solution for the font errors in appz? |
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| 15:31.57 | enouf | dobby: arch? where? friggin ubunutoobians |
| 15:32.15 | DanBrwn | if i load a module for my webcam at startup and no device is created in my dev dir how do i correct this? |
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| 15:34.38 | GooE | dendrite,is there an option to have autofs to debug some info |
| 15:35.00 | mouse_ | hi |
| 15:35.06 | dendrite | GooE: Dunno. Man pages may say. |
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| 15:35.27 | N3m3SYS | i though it is made by libcairo, but still is no update, do you have anybody the same problem still? |
| 15:35.54 | enouf | never heard of appz |
| 15:36.16 | N3m3SYS | enouf, it is a mistake in application (esp webbrowsers) the font will disappear |
| 15:36.30 | N3m3SYS | enouf, and after the selecting with cursor again appears |
| 15:36.38 | N3m3SYS | enouf, in terminals too |
| 15:36.44 | jazbo2186 | seems that after unmounting and removing my new 4Gb Cruzer Micro usb thumb drive, my sytems hangs and becomes completely unresponsive; requiring me to hit the power button. Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 15:37.06 | enouf | N3m3SYS: oh .. you meant applications .. ok |
| 15:37.09 | cydork | !tell solar_ant -about root |
| 15:37.15 | dendrite | N3m3SYS: What flavor of Linux? |
| 15:37.20 | Adrian_S | Hi.. I can't find a simple awstats turtorial for apache2/sarge.. any ideas where to look? |
| 15:37.50 | Adrian_S | I find something but it is either not apache2 (but 1.x) or the locations of the files are wrong |
| 15:37.51 | enouf | N3m3SYS: pastebin the output of 'locales' , locales -a , and /etc/environment |
| 15:38.03 | N3m3SYS | enouf, yes, sorry for abrrev. :D |
| 15:38.18 | enouf | !nickometer N3m3SYS |
| 15:38.20 | dpkg | 'N3m3SYS' is 63.000% lame, enouf |
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| 15:38.26 | enouf | haha :-p |
| 15:39.19 | N3m3SYS | enouf, locale cs_CZ.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 15:39.45 | N3m3SYS | enouf, and environment LANG="cs_CZ.UTF-8" |
| 15:39.45 | N3m3SYS | LANGUAGE="cs_CZ:cs:en_GB:en" |
| 15:39.48 | xorllu | how can i configure konqueror (e.g. konqueror with splitview 2 panels) to show location toolbar (address bar) on each splitview panel? (that will be very useful) |
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| 15:40.01 | enouf | !tell N3m3SYS about paster |
| 15:40.29 | DanBrwn | does anyone know where my usb devices should be mounted, have a cam but can't find device |
| 15:41.09 | sohmestra | DanBrwn: /media/usbstick, most likely |
| 15:41.20 | N3m3SYS | enouf, i know paster, but i am unable to use links or other brower in cause of the fonts, sorry |
| 15:41.28 | jazbo2186 | DanBrwn: /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 15:41.46 | sohmestra | DanBrwn: do you have PATA or SATA drives? |
| 15:42.13 | enouf | xorllu: if you can't find it within the gazillion options .. then you'll have to implement it yourself .. try 'kdcop' at the terminal and laearn to program using c++ and Qt .. or see #kde and #debian-kde |
| 15:42.46 | sohmestra | DanBrwn: the device name if you have (most) PATA controlers will probably be /dev/sda1, otherwise, /dev/sd[cdefg]1 |
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| 15:44.19 | Adrian_S | Where can I find a tutorial for awstats the debian way? |
| 15:44.31 | N3m3SYS | enouf, it was really hard to hit the good places http://channels.debian.net/paste/4382 |
| 15:44.31 | Adrian_S | On sarge but Apache Version 2.x not 1.x ! |
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| 15:44.43 | DanBrwn | jazbo2186: not really looking for a drive, looking for a web cam |
| 15:44.51 | simon23 | annma: compared to a fresh installation ? |
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| 15:46.43 | sohmestra | DanBrwn: ah. thought you meant Cam(era). I've never used a webcam. Maybe google knows something. |
| 15:46.45 | enouf | N3m3SYS: then use #flood .. or there's something wrong with the cz/cs language ?? .. I know nothing about that though .. I can point you to some links about international fonts and stuff .. you may want to try 'dpkg-reconfigure locale' and add UTF-8 |
| 15:47.02 | enouf | N3m3SYS: forget the flood comment part |
| 15:47.06 | rambo3 | apache2 problem "Invalid method in request \x16\x03": http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 15:47.30 | rambo3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4383 |
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| 15:47.45 | DanBrwn | should the device be created automatically for the usb webcam. I had to load the module manually. Some old things on the net about web cams, nothing current |
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| 15:48.12 | N3m3SYS | enouf, okay, thanks, i will try, on czech forums, there was a little mess about libcairo bug, but somebody |
| 15:48.16 | jazbo2186 | !tell DanBrwn about webcam |
| 15:48.28 | enouf | N3m3SYS: and/or add UTF-8 to /etc/environment ... oh : okie |
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| 15:48.36 | N3m3SYS | enouf, has solved it with switching on antialiasing, i have it switched on |
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| 15:48.50 | N3m3SYS | enouf, thanks, will try |
| 15:49.45 | enouf | N3m3SYS: suggest you look into i18 packages too |
| 15:50.11 | N3m3SYS | enouf, fine |
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| 15:50.33 | enouf | N3m3SYS: like so :-) apt-cache search -n i18 |
| 15:50.52 | enouf | N3m3SYS: welcome .. good luck |
| 15:50.56 | enouf | :-) |
| 15:51.08 | N3m3SYS | enouf, thanks a lot again, hope will be working |
| 15:51.56 | Flimzy | Alright... I need to come up with a creative way to set up a second NIC in a box as a fail-over NIC in case the first one loses connectivity. I thought of just bridging them, but that didn't seem to work. |
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| 15:53.25 | tarzeau | can't i have a debian menu without title or section, a top level menu entry? |
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| 15:53.45 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: Use the bonding module |
| 15:53.50 | tarzeau | ah yes i can |
| 15:54.29 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: Then if one NIC goes down, the other will automatically take over all the traffic? |
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| 15:55.23 | niklas^ | hello |
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| 15:55.59 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: If its configured for high availability yes - (don't know exactly how to do it from the top of my head but I have done it before) |
| 15:56.01 | niklas^ | i have install courier-imap and how will i do to configure it via http.. |
| 15:56.22 | wols_ | you can't. don't know of any GUI config for it |
| 15:56.52 | enouf | tarzeau: what? |
| 15:57.12 | niklas^ | wols_: okey |
| 15:57.12 | psychoslave | Okay, here is a new design for the debian website, what do you think about it? http://psychoslave.free.fr/debian/planche_debian.png.svg |
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| 15:58.35 | ]Gnea[ | psychoslave: what's this 'universal os' crap? |
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| 16:02.38 | gebruiker_ | How do I set debconf priority? |
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| 16:02.56 | nkuttler | psychoslave: you should show some code if you want serious comments, not an svg |
| 16:03.19 | nayyares | i am installing a recording software that need ogg module? my question is what is good about ogg and theora ? |
| 16:03.32 | rixxon | is firefox 2.0 and gnome 2.16 not even in unstable? |
| 16:04.02 | wols_ | nope |
| 16:04.03 | psychoslave | nkuttler, first you make design, and after you're sure the design is good, then you code |
| 16:04.05 | wols_ | !iceweasel |
| 16:04.06 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:04.15 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: they're free and don't require licensing and the resulting file sizes are much, much smaller than mp3. oh, and the sound quality is better. |
| 16:05.01 | ]Gnea[ | psychoslave: that's all good and fine, but is that the only design you have? you should really come up with several different designs and then show them all off |
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| 16:05.42 | psychoslave | ]Gnea[, ok i'll do that |
| 16:06.00 | ]Gnea[ | psychoslave: cool :) |
| 16:06.21 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, what is meant by ogg container ? |
| 16:06.23 | wols_ | psychoslave: and make the next design look nice in ffox 2.0 :) |
| 16:06.31 | wols_ | cause this one isn't looking so hot |
| 16:06.40 | wols_ | text flows out of the boxes for starters |
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| 16:07.01 | wols_ | but then: what makes you think debian.org wants a new layout/design? |
| 16:07.30 | psychoslave | nothing, it's just that the current is ugly. |
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| 16:09.15 | nkuttler | psychoslave: have you tried working with the current html and only change the css? i would guess such changes would be accepted more easily. good luck to you! |
| 16:09.24 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: how should i know? you haven't stated the name of the software you're trying to install |
| 16:09.38 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: change is constant :) |
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| 16:10.56 | ]Gnea[ | !2006 key |
| 16:10.56 | dpkg | 2006 key is, like, apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 16:11.07 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, :) recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net |
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| 16:12.44 | kozy | hey people, how do I get the debian-installer to recognize my disks using the ESB2 sata controller? Somebody can tell me anything about this? |
| 16:12.57 | jazbo2186 | hey folks disconnecting my usb thumb drive seems to cause my sarge machines to completely freeze up. this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4384 was in my syslog. any thoughts what the problem is? I didn't have this prob with a 128mb drive but I'm having it with a new 4 GB drive |
| 16:13.02 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: 'ogg container' is just their way of referring to the ogg vorbis audio format |
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| 16:13.25 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: did you umount it before disconnecting? |
| 16:13.35 | jazbo2186 | ]Gnea[: yup |
| 16:14.38 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: dude, that's messed up - what kernel are you using? |
| 16:14.58 | jazbo2186 | ]Gnea[: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:15.22 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: what branch? |
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| 16:15.39 | jazbo2186 | ]Gnea[: how do I figure that out? |
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| 16:15.48 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 16:15.55 | jazbo2186 | ]Gnea[: sarge |
| 16:15.59 | ]Gnea[ | !branch |
| 16:15.59 | dpkg | somebody said branch was what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
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| 16:16.25 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: you should upgrade your kernel - you can get 2.6.18 through backports for sarge |
| 16:16.28 | ]Gnea[ | !backports |
| 16:16.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 16:17.02 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: if the problem persists, then the problem isn't in the way the kernel handles usb transactions |
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| 16:17.12 | unfo | There aren't enough backports. I wonder if someone could set up a buildd that built backports of every package automatically. |
| 16:17.28 | tarzeau | unfo: i've made some autobackport tool |
| 16:17.37 | tarzeau | unfo: one could run them automatically... |
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| 16:17.49 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: see, debian is community-maintained, so it's up to people (anyone of us, really) to help take care of it and to add to it |
| 16:17.53 | unfo | tarzeau, that would be cool. what's the url to your tool? |
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| 16:18.06 | unfo | ]Gnea[, I know. I follow debian-devel and such. |
| 16:18.06 | D-Line | . |
| 16:18.15 | ]Gnea[ | tarzeau: i'm interested too |
| 16:18.20 | tarzeau | unfo: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/abp/ |
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| 16:18.28 | tarzeau | but hey it's not perfect |
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| 16:18.38 | unfo | tarzeau, nothing is. |
| 16:18.42 | tarzeau | i've got some new things i should fix it with, stuff like apt-src and the new versioning of backports |
| 16:18.50 | cydork | simple sid backport? |
| 16:18.54 | tarzeau | i'll have more time after the 1.0 of GNUSTEP |
| 16:18.59 | tarzeau | cydork: basically, but automated |
| 16:19.17 | cydork | tarzeau: got that. :) |
| 16:19.18 | tarzeau | you'll also want dependency handling/installation |
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| 16:20.03 | ]Gnea[ | tarzeau: that's pretty spiffy |
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| 16:20.39 | tarzeau | ]Gnea[: it fails on debian native versions |
| 16:20.48 | tarzeau | ]Gnea[: and dynamic debian/* generations |
| 16:20.53 | unfo | tarzeau, why not MIT-license it and email a copy to the debian-goodies maintainer? |
| 16:21.08 | tarzeau | unfo: go ahead, it's WTFPL |
| 16:21.10 | jazbo2186 | at backports.org the "HOWTO" "does not exist yet". how do I figure out how to install new kernel from backports.org? |
| 16:21.11 | unfo | oops I now see it's open-source already |
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| 16:21.25 | ]Gnea[ | tarzeau: 'debian native versions'? |
| 16:21.37 | tarzeau | ]Gnea[: like for example, look at xtrlock, no -n |
| 16:21.39 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: try the instructions link |
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| 16:22.06 | abrotman | ]Gnea[: too obvious! |
| 16:22.17 | itchi | Should the video card Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset Family work good with 3D on a Debian (Etch)? |
| 16:22.42 | unfo | itchi, yes |
| 16:23.01 | unfo | itchi, for some definition of "good" :) |
| 16:23.12 | abrotman | itchi: should work with the i810 driver and have DRI support |
| 16:23.22 | cydork | !tell jazbo2186 about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 16:23.25 | unfo | itchi, try the Ubuntu LiveCD and see if you're happy with the 3D performance. |
| 16:23.49 | unfo | you'll need to apt-get some 3d games like planetpenguin-racer or tremulous (in edgy) first though. |
| 16:23.53 | jazbo2186 | abrotman ]Gnea[ yeah how I'm i supposed to figure out that i need to read the "Instructions"?1 ;) |
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| 16:23.57 | itchi | I gona install Etch on the laptop in +- 3 hours |
| 16:24.14 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: heh |
| 16:24.20 | unfo | itchi, advice: at the boot: prompt, add this: DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical |
| 16:24.24 | unfo | it'll save u time :) |
| 16:24.34 | unfo | also, why not Sarge? |
| 16:24.35 | itchi | unfo: My 3D should only need to work with fgfs, and mostly to demonstration |
| 16:24.44 | unfo | demonstration for who? |
| 16:24.59 | abrotman | cydork: there's a 'sarge 2.6.18' now |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | cydork: /msg dpkg sarge uni |
| 16:25.26 | itchi | unfo: I already run Etch on desktop here, troubleshooting, testing and so |
| 16:25.27 | cydork | abrotman: i am jsut worried about (See creator's warnings) |
| 16:25.33 | unfo | all: can I make $$$ from running a public bugzilla host? I plan to make it free for small numbers of bugs. Then you pay later. |
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| 16:25.59 | unfo | I plan not to offer a database export service. :) |
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| 16:26.30 | jazbo2186 | hmmmm this "sarge 2.6.16" info is making this sound more and more complicated.... |
| 16:26.41 | Error_X | How do I completely remove gnome and its applications? |
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| 16:26.50 | unfo | Error_X, why? |
| 16:26.53 | lindenle | wo is up |
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| 16:26.58 | wols_ | jazbo2186: 2.6.18 if you insist on suhc a kernek imho |
| 16:27.02 | wols_ | why do it halfway |
| 16:27.05 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:27.05 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.18 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 16:27.06 | itchi | unfo: It's near now that it go to become stable. Why that DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical ? |
| 16:27.16 | unfo | itchi, it will ask you much less questions. |
| 16:27.22 | Error_X | unfo: I dont want to have it.. unfortantly it got installed |
| 16:27.32 | unfo | Error_X, do you need the disk space? |
| 16:27.44 | Error_X | unfo: For one reason, yes.. |
| 16:28.03 | itchi | unfo: hhm, yeah, right, i was thinking about it, but not saw it in the conversation ;-) |
| 16:28.23 | unfo | Error_X, sudo apt-get remove .*gnome.* maybe? but watch out, it may remove non-gnome stuff too |
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| 16:28.57 | ]Gnea[ | hey, isn't there a way to add the archive.key from backports to the gpg database? |
| 16:28.59 | Error_X | unfo: Ok |
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| 16:29.29 | jazbo2186 | Is there any way that I can verify that my problem with the flash drive is a kernel problem before going through the trouble and risk of a kernel upgrade? |
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| 16:29.45 | unfo | Error_X, after that I would install debfoster. Then run: sudo debfoster. It will take you 10 min or so but allows you to remove redundant stuff. |
| 16:29.50 | ]Gnea[ | oh wait, apt-key add archive.key |
| 16:30.20 | cydork | !tell ]Gnea[ -about backports key |
| 16:30.27 | unfo | Error_X, or just check manually if any packages in category "gnome/" are installed. But I don't know how. |
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| 16:32.06 | itchi | Just for that ATA controler that i hestitate a bit. A toplap... I have not yet test it but should i need to load an special module while the install turns? |
| 16:32.06 | ]Gnea[ | cydork: nice. also, wget http://backports.org/debian/archive.key && sudo apt-key add archive.key does the same, only it's more direct |
| 16:32.11 | unfo | !backports key |
| 16:32.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports key is ask me about <apt-key 16BA136C> |
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| 16:32.20 | unfo | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 16:32.20 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:32.30 | unfo | I wonder if I should change the bot message. |
| 16:32.37 | ]Gnea[ | no, leave it. |
| 16:32.40 | unfo | ok |
| 16:32.47 | ]Gnea[ | it's technically the correct way |
| 16:32.51 | unfo | why? |
| 16:32.59 | itchi | Or maybe, append it?? A short way?? |
| 16:33.05 | ]Gnea[ | my way worked, but it's bypassing some channels |
| 16:33.17 | fum|ble | Can someone explain to me the use of gpg keys and how I would use them in an everyday enviremoent |
| 16:33.34 | ]Gnea[ | fum|ble: just do a google search |
| 16:33.39 | unfo | fum|ble, you mean for apt use? or for writing secret emails? |
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| 16:33.58 | Lumpio- | Hi... I'm having trouble using parport, would this be the right channel to ask on? |
| 16:34.07 | unfo | Lumpio-, what is parport? |
| 16:34.13 | ]Gnea[ | Lumpio-: only if it's pure debian |
| 16:34.16 | Lumpio- | o |
| 16:34.17 | itchi | Lumpio-: Depend, if you use Debian, yes |
| 16:34.24 | Lumpio- | parport is more like a part of the kernel I guess |
| 16:34.50 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: parport is the method the kernel uses to talk to parrallel ports |
| 16:34.52 | unfo | Lumpio-, what distro are you on? |
| 16:34.54 | itchi | Lumpio-: Parallel port, maybe the printer |
| 16:35.21 | itchi | arg, the laptop is to fast and im to slow :-( |
| 16:35.29 | ]Gnea[ | haha |
| 16:35.32 | unfo | ]Gnea[, I know what parport.o is, I just thought Lumpio- sounded like a newbie with that line so I wanted to clarify whether he was a newbie or not |
| 16:35.32 | abrotman | fum|ble: there's a #gnupg |
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| 16:35.48 | ]Gnea[ | !noob |
| 16:35.48 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 16:36.24 | unfo | fum|ble, there's also an APT HOWTO and lots of gpg documentation. |
| 16:36.53 | Lumpio- | unfo: Debian, that's why I thought I could ask here :P |
| 16:37.09 | unfo | dpkg, noob is <reply>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too. And if you have to say you are not one, you probably are one. |
| 16:37.09 | dpkg | ...but noob is already something else... |
| 16:37.30 | unfo | Lumpio-, ah. so ask away. please describe your question carefully and fully as described here: |
| 16:37.31 | Lumpio- | Anyways... according to dmesg the parport is found (parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 7 detected) but any attempts to ioctl(PPCLAIM) it fail with "Invalid argument" |
| 16:37.34 | unfo | !smart questions |
| 16:37.35 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 16:37.53 | earthian | hello |
| 16:37.59 | Lumpio- | I've tried loading and unloading the modules to see if it does anything etc |
| 16:38.00 | unfo | earthian, hi |
| 16:38.05 | earthian | what debian version would you suggest for a newcomer? |
| 16:38.10 | unfo | earthian, ubuntu. |
| 16:38.12 | earthian | sid, sarge or etch |
| 16:38.14 | earthian | :D |
| 16:38.22 | earthian | hm |
| 16:38.28 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: stop. |
| 16:38.31 | wols_ | earthian: desktop? |
| 16:38.32 | ]Gnea[ | !ubuntu |
| 16:38.32 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 16:38.32 | Lumpio- | The parport0 device wasn't created automagically so I mknod'd it, there was a par0 in /dev though but it gives the same errors |
| 16:38.40 | earthian | wols_ yes. |
| 16:38.46 | earthian | i have a software fakeraid |
| 16:38.47 | wols_ | either sid with backports or etch |
| 16:38.49 | cydork | unfo: first of all ubuntu is not a debian version. |
| 16:38.51 | unfo | Lumpio-, what debian revision? what kernel? |
| 16:38.59 | cydork | earthian: that |
| 16:39.05 | cydork | is sarge with backports |
| 16:39.07 | earthian | with data there which i want to save.. i belive i need a distro with newest kernel |
| 16:39.17 | wols_ | sorry, yes. sarge with backports |
| 16:39.20 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: please get your facts straight before handing out misleading advice. ubuntu is based-on debian, it's not actually debian. |
| 16:39.33 | Lumpio- | unfo: Debian 3.1 (stable), kernel 2.4.27 |
| 16:39.35 | wols_ | earthian: do you have a ICH7 or later intel chipset? |
| 16:39.39 | wols_ | conrone or similar? |
| 16:39.52 | earthian | i have via sata raid thing |
| 16:39.55 | wols_ | *conroe |
| 16:40.04 | wols_ | and that via thing really needs 2.6.18? |
| 16:40.04 | earthian | waiting for dmraid support in kernel |
| 16:40.06 | unfo | ]Gnea[, I am aware. it is just that I believe ubuntu is best for desktops unless you are an experienced user. it provides amazing niceties like gnome-app-install. |
| 16:40.16 | earthian | wols_ i think no |
| 16:40.23 | unfo | debian is superb for experienced users and servers. |
| 16:40.24 | earthian | 2.6.15 worked pretty well |
| 16:40.30 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: that's fine, but please be sure that you pay close attention to the content of the question. |
| 16:40.39 | earthian | ubuntu upgrade killed it with 2.6.17 |
| 16:40.40 | Ronin | unfo: makes a nice desktop as well for normal users |
| 16:40.45 | unfo | ]Gnea[, good point. i should've read the original question better. |
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| 16:41.07 | wols_ | by default, debian uses 2.6.8 in stable and 2.6.17 currently in testing |
| 16:41.12 | earthian | well... what exactly i need is: to be able to choose what packages and what package versions to install on my system |
| 16:41.21 | wols_ | will soon be 2.6.18 I guess if they really want to put it into release |
| 16:41.22 | miro | how can i reedit my video card im using sarge |
| 16:41.30 | earthian | i dont like the idea that ubuntu has some files and do not offer other files other version files. |
| 16:41.52 | streuner | earthian: that's OT here |
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| 16:42.01 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: +for the 2.6 kernel. by default, sarge uses 2.4.18, iirc |
| 16:42.03 | wols_ | there usually is only one vresion of a package in debian too... you can backport yourself of course but that you can do in ubuntu as well I'd say |
| 16:42.03 | abrotman | earthian: ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:42.23 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: 2.4.27 but imho that was simply a bug :P |
| 16:42.26 | earthian | abrotman, i am off ubuntu, and want to try something else. |
| 16:42.31 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: hehe |
| 16:42.41 | abrotman | !d-i earthian |
| 16:42.41 | dpkg | earthian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:42.45 | ]Gnea[ | i need sleep |
| 16:43.00 | earthian | ok thanks |
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| 16:44.03 | itchi | ]Gnea[: Try apt-get install sleep :-p |
| 16:44.04 | unfo | miro, what does reedit mean? |
| 16:44.19 | streuner | (changelings) |
| 16:44.35 | ]Gnea[ | itchi: google video has been evil lately ;) |
| 16:44.53 | CharminTheMoose | SLEEP:Sleep's Laughing Electro Enema Protector |
| 16:45.08 | unfo | ]Gnea[, you could always block it in your /etc/hosts or you could uninstall Flash. |
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| 16:45.46 | earthian | excuse me, the netinst debian installer is a cd image that installs the base system and then the rest from the net? |
| 16:45.54 | Ronin | earthian: correct |
| 16:45.54 | unfo | earthian, yes. I recommend it. |
| 16:46.16 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: i could, but then i wouldn't be able to search for new episodes |
| 16:46.24 | unfo | ]Gnea[, too bad :) |
| 16:46.39 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: atually, it's a hilarious show with a pilot movie :) |
| 16:46.46 | nayyares | when i compiled gnome-python-extras-2.14.2 during configure, it gave me message that some of the module will not be added e.g. gtkhtml2, egg.recent, gtkmozembed etc. any idea? |
| 16:47.02 | ]Gnea[ | and it's so fucking addicting cuz they're full episodes and they're legal to watch on there |
| 16:47.03 | unfo | ]Gnea[, may I ask: how old are you? I am 21. |
| 16:47.07 | earthian | regarding stability is this correct: most stable - sarge, less stable - etch, least stable - sid ??? |
| 16:47.10 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: 31 |
| 16:47.15 | unfo | gf? kids? |
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| 16:47.28 | streuner | unfo: ask that in privat |
| 16:47.35 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: pardon? |
| 16:47.47 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: what show? |
| 16:47.49 | unfo | ]Gnea[, if you said "yes" I would say "think of them". :) |
| 16:47.51 | Phated | unfo: Take this elsewhere, please. |
| 16:47.56 | unfo | sorry all for OT |
| 16:48.15 | itchi | earthian: Yes |
| 16:48.17 | Lumpio- | Hm, is it possible that lp is reserving the parallel port somehow? I remember having something like that happen ages ago on another system |
| 16:48.26 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: do us both a favor and don't bother me. |
| 16:48.31 | unfo | fine |
| 16:48.37 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: trailer park boys |
| 16:48.48 | itchi | earthian: There is also the 'experimental' release, but ... |
| 16:49.00 | Lumpio- | Meh, if I remove the module it gets autoloaded if I try to access the parport o_O |
| 16:49.05 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: type 'ls' |
| 16:49.08 | enouf | Lumpio-: what's cat /proc/ioports say about parport? |
| 16:49.15 | Lumpio- | 0378-037a : parport0 |
| 16:49.19 | Lumpio- | Looks normal to me |
| 16:49.23 | jazbo2186 | I'm a little confused, on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions it says "All backports are deactivated by default" but dpkg tells me that if i put backports in my sources.list and upgrade I get _all_ backports. |
| 16:49.38 | enouf | also 0778-077a : parport0 ? |
| 16:49.50 | Lumpio- | enouf: Hmm, nothing like that there |
| 16:49.50 | streuner | jazbo2185: well, read the instructions again :-) |
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| 16:50.22 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: if you install a single package by itself, it won't pull from backports unless you specifically tell it to |
| 16:50.34 | ]Gnea[ | alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 16:50.35 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 16:50.45 | enouf | Lumpio-: dmesg | grep parport tell you errors? |
| 16:50.47 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, :) |
| 16:50.59 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: works great here |
| 16:51.10 | Lumpio- | enouf: Nope, only those two lines I pasted earlier and lp's "lp0: using parport0 (polling)." |
| 16:51.20 | jazbo2186 | but then I can't do an apt-get upgrade without getting backports of every package? |
| 16:51.34 | streuner | you can |
| 16:51.48 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: do you want backports of every package that's available? |
| 16:51.55 | streuner | just read instructions, i repeat :-) |
| 16:52.00 | enouf | Lumpio-: what's the exact problem again? |
| 16:52.00 | jazbo2186 | ]Gnea[: Nope |
| 16:52.04 | jazbo2186 | !backports |
| 16:52.05 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 16:52.15 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: then use pinning |
| 16:52.17 | enouf | Lumpio-: I'm using 2.6.16 and you;re on 2.4.27? |
| 16:52.17 | streuner | jazbo2185: we know the factoid |
| 16:52.19 | jazbo2186 | !backport |
| 16:52.20 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 16:52.25 | streuner | argh |
| 16:52.27 | Lumpio- | enouf: ioctl(PPCLAIM) fails with "Invalid argument" |
| 16:52.32 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: that's enough. |
| 16:52.50 | Lumpio- | enouf: Well, that's the kernel that came with the stable "netinst" disc |
| 16:52.50 | jazbo2186 | sorry yah that's the one that's confusing me. last bit of last factiod |
| 16:53.24 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, in fact all of those missing modules directories are present here :) ls works, hehe, but why then i am getting such message? |
| 16:53.25 | enouf | Lumpio-: got both modules loafded ? parport and parport_pc ? dunno if 2.4.27 has both |
| 16:53.26 | cahoot | apropos OT? |
| 16:53.33 | Lumpio- | enouf: Got those |
| 16:53.53 | enouf | Lumpio-: you can upgrade easily to 2.6.8 == advisable |
| 16:53.58 | jazbo2186 | As i read it that factoid is saying the opposite of what you all are telling me |
| 16:54.10 | streuner | ]Gnea[: don't make Phated angry :-) |
| 16:54.12 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: well you said 'any ideas?' and i had NFC what you were talking about |
| 16:54.19 | ]Gnea[ | streuner: hey, i said yellow, not red |
| 16:54.25 | earthian | what kernel version is in etch ? |
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| 16:54.28 | enouf | Lumpio-: during installation all you had to do was use linux26 or expert26 at the Boot: prompt |
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| 16:54.35 | streuner | hm, what does yellow stand for, again? |
| 16:54.43 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, i am not picking :( |
| 16:54.44 | Phated | Friendship. |
| 16:54.45 | enouf | pee? |
| 16:54.46 | Lumpio- | enouf: Meh, why doesn't it have it in huge letters ;P |
| 16:54.53 | ]Gnea[ | yeah |
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| 16:55.01 | enouf | Lumpio-: read the F1-F10 screens :-p |
| 16:55.06 | Lumpio- | Anyways... I'll go find out how to upgrade the "right way". I haven't really maintained a Debian system before |
| 16:55.12 | Phated | Pink for romance, red for love, black for death, blue for showing off that you're a rich git. |
| 16:55.15 | enouf | Lumpio-: it's easy enough to upgrade though |
| 16:55.23 | enouf | Lumpio-: using Grub? |
| 16:55.27 | ]Gnea[ | or a cheap one ;) |
| 16:55.34 | Lumpio- | enouf: Yeah |
| 16:55.34 | Phated | Blue are expensive. |
| 16:55.36 | ]Gnea[ | (can of spray paint) |
| 16:55.41 | Phated | Heh. |
| 16:55.44 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 16:55.54 | streuner | Phated: i buy red ones, or nothing :-) |
| 16:55.56 | ]Gnea[ | i forget what white is for |
| 16:56.05 | Phated | Purity. |
| 16:56.11 | Phated | White is always for purity ;) |
| 16:56.19 | ]Gnea[ | cool |
| 16:56.36 | Phated | Wedding dresses, etc, y'know. We now return you to Debian support. |
| 16:56.47 | ]Gnea[ | thank you, drive through |
| 16:57.09 | jazbo2186 | Look I'm sorry if I offended anyone by pasting a few two many lines but I'm just trying to clear this up as I seem to be getting contradictory info |
| 16:57.11 | enouf | Lumpio-: what;'s your CPU and Mobo? |
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| 16:57.52 | ]Gnea[ | jazbo2186: it's all good |
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| 16:58.26 | earthian | what kernel version is in etch ? |
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| 16:58.26 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, where is my mistake ? what should i do? |
| 16:58.27 | mikefoo | How can I copy a partiton table from one disk to another? |
| 16:58.30 | enouf | Lumpio-: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:58.37 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: i don't know what your problem is... could you please repeat it? |
| 16:58.38 | streuner | mikefoo: dd |
| 16:58.43 | enouf | earthian: 2.6.17? |
| 16:58.50 | Lumpio- | enouf: Yes, was just going to do that :P |
| 16:58.54 | Lumpio- | model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor |
| 16:58.54 | mikefoo | streuner: know specific flags or? |
| 16:58.58 | Lumpio- | (Yes, it's a relic) |
| 16:59.06 | Phated | mikefoo: man dd :) |
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| 16:59.07 | enouf | Lumpio-: nice :-) |
| 16:59.11 | mikefoo | ... |
| 16:59.20 | Lumpio- | The PC is just an old one I scavenged for electronics projects. I'd rather not blow a good PC up if something goes wrong :P |
| 16:59.25 | nayyares | when i compiled gnome-python-extras-2.14.2 during configure, it gave me message that some of the module will not be added e.g. gtkhtml2, egg.recent, gtkmozembed etc. any idea? |
| 16:59.28 | mikefoo | thats not going to help me, Im not going to dd the whole disk over |
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| 16:59.40 | enouf | Lumpio-: do 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686' == Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 16:59.48 | h3sp4wn | mikefoo: Is it an identical disk you want to copy it to (doesn't make sense otherwise) |
| 16:59.50 | Phated | So how would reading the manpage to find whatever specific flags you want -not- help? |
| 16:59.56 | streuner | mikefoo: nah |
| 17:00.00 | Lumpio- | enouf: And in what repository would I find that :P |
| 17:00.03 | jazbo2186 | so if I put backports.org in my sources.list and then `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` I'm not going to get every backport? |
| 17:00.05 | Lumpio- | (I already tried that just for fun) |
| 17:00.07 | streuner | you nee some parameters as well |
| 17:00.12 | Lumpio- | +in |
| 17:00.15 | streuner | s/nee/need/ |
| 17:00.20 | ]Gnea[ | mikefoo: what leads you to believe that dd is not helpful? |
| 17:00.22 | enouf | Lumpio-: the ones listed in /etc/apt/sources.list :-p |
| 17:00.24 | mikefoo | the disk is same size, yes |
| 17:00.33 | unfo | Lumpio-, sorry to ask the obvious but: does the parport work when you boot off another CD or into the FreeDOS liveCD? |
| 17:00.39 | mikefoo | I need same partition table setup on the new drive to replace a failed drive in raid. |
| 17:00.42 | streuner | ]Gnea[: he want the exact command... |
| 17:00.46 | Lumpio- | unfo: I haven't really tried tbh |
| 17:00.57 | Lumpio- | I could try with some LiveCD real quick |
| 17:01.04 | enouf | Lumpio-: wait .. 1st do the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:01.06 | Phated | ]Gnea[: Nothing leads him to believe that dd can't do what he want besides not actually consulting docs. |
| 17:01.22 | Lumpio- | enouf: Yes I did that a while ago, and all the repos in sources.list are uncommented |
| 17:01.24 | ]Gnea[ | Phated: apparantly :) |
| 17:01.28 | Lumpio- | Still, E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:01.31 | unfo | Lumpio-, i recommend the freedos livecd. try this: echo test > lpt1: |
| 17:01.32 | enouf | Lumpio-: ok .. and? |
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| 17:01.53 | ]Gnea[ | streuner: so you just want to extract/replace just the mbr? |
| 17:01.53 | ]Gnea[ | errr |
| 17:02.01 | malebria | What's the name of that program that downloads deps in build time? |
| 17:02.02 | ]Gnea[ | mikefoo: so you just want to extract/replace just the mbr? |
| 17:02.12 | Lumpio- | unfo: Don't have one at hand, I'll use a random one :P |
| 17:02.16 | enouf | If others want to work with you using 2.4.27 .. go ahead and try at first .. can''t hurt .. maybe even see tldp.org and parallel doc info |
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| 17:02.18 | Lumpio- | I think DSL has parport |
| 17:02.21 | enouf | Lumpio-: ^^^ |
| 17:02.31 | x_link | enouf: Hi man ! |
| 17:02.33 | poopybutt | is there a way to look at a previous log file of a dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:02.41 | enouf | !greet x_link |
| 17:02.41 | dpkg | Hi there, x_link |
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| 17:02.42 | x_link | enouf: I got my "new" computer now =) |
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| 17:02.50 | x_link | hehe hi dpkg ! |
| 17:02.53 | enouf | x_link: excellente |
| 17:02.54 | streuner | mikefoo: http://martybugs.net/linux/image.cgi |
| 17:02.56 | unfo | I wish apt-get logged all output it ever showed to /var/log. |
| 17:03.03 | unfo | Maybe I should file a bug? |
| 17:03.05 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: sorry, it went by quick - why are you compiling what's already in debian? |
| 17:03.05 | x_link | enouf: Debian runs MUCH better now. |
| 17:03.06 | enouf | x_link: how['s it hangin? |
| 17:03.15 | streuner | Why people aren't able to use google? |
| 17:03.15 | enouf | x_link: ahhh.. nice |
| 17:03.17 | x_link | enouf: Just fine thanks. |
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| 17:03.23 | Lumpio- | Meh, I hate the sound of the optical drive in that PC >_< |
| 17:03.26 | LinuxHelp | How does one change the "Preferred Application" in Gnome for .mp3 files, from Totem to XMMS? |
| 17:03.26 | Lumpio- | Drives me nuts |
| 17:03.29 | enouf | streuner: I told you .. they can't read! |
| 17:03.34 | unfo | poopybutt, you could try the logfiles in /var/log/dpkg* |
| 17:03.39 | unfo | poopybutt, why do you want to know? |
| 17:03.40 | streuner | enouf: no, they are lazy |
| 17:03.41 | enouf | streuner: :-p |
| 17:03.48 | poopybutt | just curious to see what was upgraded |
| 17:03.48 | enouf | streuner: that too |
| 17:03.51 | wols_ | streuner: cause in #debian they get more handholding |
| 17:03.55 | poopybutt | and im new, im just curious in general |
| 17:04.03 | poopybutt | trying to learn as much as possible |
| 17:04.14 | nayyares | ]Gnea[, i d'nt have them in my box :( what should i do now? |
| 17:04.14 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: diaper service is closed! |
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| 17:04.22 | unfo | poopybutt, you may want to look into changelog-viewing tools. maybe apt-listchangelogs will work? |
| 17:04.31 | ]Gnea[ | nayyares: try installing the -dev packages for them |
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| 17:04.44 | unfo | all : I wish apt-get logged all output it ever showed to /var/log. Should I file a bug? |
| 17:04.44 | enouf | oh boy ... am I doing something wrong again? .. gotta love poopybutt's nickname though :-p |
| 17:04.46 | x_link | enouf: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ ( 2GHz ), 1024MB DDR 400MHz RAM, nVIDIA GeForce 4 MX-440 64MB TV-Out, 48x CD Burner, 56x CD-Rom, Western Digital 80GB. |
| 17:04.57 | enouf | x_link: whoa! |
| 17:05.03 | x_link | My P II was 450MHz, 640MB 100MHz ram lol |
| 17:05.06 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: try creating a patch |
| 17:05.08 | unfo | streuner, they can, but IRC is easier :/ |
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| 17:05.16 | x_link | enouf: So it's a BIG difference. |
| 17:05.19 | enouf | 56x CD-ROM ..eh? .. can't wait till they come out with 5000x |
| 17:05.37 | enouf | x_link: hey now .. that's my main rig specs :-/ |
| 17:05.38 | ]Gnea[ | i KNEW i had enouf on /ignore for a reason.... |
| 17:05.47 | enouf | x_link: close to it |
| 17:05.49 | Braindead | enouf: yeah,those that can behead people |
| 17:06.04 | enouf | !troutsmite ]Gnea[ |
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| 17:06.18 | ]Gnea[ | heh. |
| 17:06.27 | streuner | enouf: /msg dpkg listkeys smite :-) |
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| 17:06.43 | enouf | Braindead: nice to see ya again .. how's Abi Normal doing? :-p |
| 17:06.52 | enouf | streuner: danke |
| 17:06.58 | streuner | bitte |
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| 17:07.05 | jareth_ | any one know a good how to on installing 2.6.18 on etch? |
| 17:07.25 | streuner | jareth_: if you have to ask, just wait if its in etch |
| 17:07.28 | h3sp4wn | jareth_: easiest way is just take it from sid (same toolchain) |
| 17:07.30 | unfo | jareth_, if you need to ask, maybe you should consider sarge :) |
| 17:07.34 | x_link | enouf: 56x cd-rom yes ? hehe why ? |
| 17:07.37 | cydork | jareth_: yes, wait till it come for etch, and then apt-get install linux-image :P |
| 17:07.37 | itchi | jareth_: There is one of 936 pages on tldp if you want |
| 17:07.44 | enouf | !aussiesmite ]Gnea[ |
| 17:07.45 | dpkg | ]Gnea[: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off! |
| 17:07.48 | x_link | enouf: Ahh your computer specs are like mine ? |
| 17:07.53 | enouf | haha |
| 17:08.05 | streuner | seems like an Guerin smite :-) |
| 17:08.05 | ]Gnea[ | stupid piece of shit. ok, /ignore in effect again. |
| 17:08.06 | enouf | x_link: no .. like your OLD piece of jusnk :-p |
| 17:08.08 | jareth_ | i once did it on Ubuntu quite a while ago... I need a specific patch for my smartphone] |
| 17:08.09 | poopybutt | when is ff 2.0 going to be ready for apt-get? |
| 17:08.21 | unfo | poopybutt, when it's ready |
| 17:08.23 | streuner | poopybutt: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 17:08.24 | enouf | streuner: precisely .. hehe |
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| 17:08.41 | x_link | enouf: Ahaa. the PII. Your on a P II now ? |
| 17:08.43 | ]Gnea[ | poopybutt: when it's bug-free? |
| 17:08.48 | jareth_ | i just want to copy my config, compile and make a .deb. |
| 17:08.49 | enouf | x_link: yep |
| 17:09.01 | peterrus | good evening |
| 17:09.01 | cydork | jareth_: /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 17:09.01 | x_link | enouf: The Pentium II will be my downloading machine. |
| 17:09.04 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: but I want my ffox! |
| 17:09.11 | poopybutt | im aware of the name change, i was just curious about versions |
| 17:09.19 | enouf | x_link: and there ya go .. ok busy .. phonecall |
| 17:09.22 | x_link | wols_: have you tried SwiftFox ? |
| 17:09.24 | jareth_ | cydork: thanks |
| 17:09.26 | itchi | jareth_: Just install the kernel you want |
| 17:09.27 | ]Gnea[ | poopybutt: see previous response |
| 17:09.49 | unfo | x_link, wols_, IMO swiftfox is not worth the effort. |
| 17:09.52 | wols_ | no. is it that shitty thing that opens 5 or so connections to a single webserver? |
| 17:10.01 | cydork | wols_: nope |
| 17:10.07 | enouf | ]Gnea[: glad I could oblige ... again :-p |
| 17:10.08 | wols_ | cydork: what is it then? |
| 17:10.17 | Lumpio- | unfo: The parport works fine under DSL |
| 17:10.18 | cydork | wols_: it's optimised firefox for some archs.. |
| 17:10.19 | peterrus | can someone help me with this: i seem not to be able to play from more than one soundsource on debian etch, gnome desktop, enlightenment window manager |
| 17:10.19 | earthian | where can i find a package list for debian versions? |
| 17:10.27 | unfo | Lumpio-, what kernel does DSL use? |
| 17:10.28 | x_link | unfo: SwiftFox is not good ? |
| 17:10.29 | enouf | crap .. dang phone |
| 17:10.32 | poopybutt | ]Gnea[: so 2.0 has more bugs than 1.5? |
| 17:10.38 | cydork | wols_: worthless actully :P |
| 17:10.38 | wols_ | ok, if I want recompile stuff for my CPU I'd suse gentoo |
| 17:10.41 | Lumpio- | Um, 2.4.26 |
| 17:10.41 | enouf | Lumpio-: 2.4.27 IIRC |
| 17:10.45 | unfo | x_link, dunno, but I know it will not save you the time it takes to download and install it :) |
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| 17:10.48 | ]Gnea[ | peterrus: yeah, buy a full duplex soundcard |
| 17:10.50 | enouf | or thereabouts |
| 17:11.02 | ]Gnea[ | poopybutt: you haven't been paying attention, have you? |
| 17:11.07 | x_link | It only took me 1 minute. |
| 17:11.08 | peterrus | ]Gnea[: ha ... ha ... ha ... |
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| 17:11.12 | wols_ | g0dspeed: that's not about full duplex but hardware mixer |
| 17:11.13 | x_link | I'm just trying it. |
| 17:11.18 | ]Gnea[ | peterrus: you laugh, i'm serious. |
| 17:11.20 | h3sp4wn | swiftfox is fine (advantage is its compiled with gtk2 unlike the mozilla.org binaries) not |
| 17:11.24 | enouf | !poopysmite poopybutt |
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| 17:11.28 | cydork | !tell peterrus about dmix |
| 17:11.34 | wols_ | peterrus: supposedly new ALSAs have dmix built in. if not /msg dpkg dmix |
| 17:11.40 | h3sp4wn | necessary to have all the gtk stuff for 1 app when you can just use a static firefox |
| 17:11.55 | unfo | x_link, even if you add up all the milliseconds it'll save you, you will never save 1 minute in total :-) also Debian firefox is better supported. |
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| 17:12.21 | ]Gnea[ | unfo: it is? |
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| 17:13.02 | unfo | ]Gnea[, yes. it is easier to get tech support for it. also, if you file bugs, the bug triaging is very fast. |
| 17:13.14 | ]Gnea[ | !tell unfo about iceweasel |
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| 17:13.36 | wols_ | speaking of ffox 2.0: at least tab mix plus extension has patched a few grievances I had against the new version |
| 17:14.00 | peterrus | Iceweasel is cool ^^ |
| 17:14.01 | wols_ | but I won't forgive them for removing Qute as default theme |
| 17:14.06 | streuner | ]Gnea[: you nick sucks still, just change that to Gnea_waiting :-) |
| 17:14.08 | poopybutt | i hate how you have to scroll tabs in 2.0 |
| 17:14.17 | poopybutt | does tab mix fix that? |
| 17:14.27 | wols_ | streuner: Gnea_opers_suck |
| 17:14.36 | streuner | wols_: hehe :-) |
| 17:14.40 | wols_ | poopybutt: only slightly, I'm afraid |
| 17:14.49 | ]Gnea[ | streuner: at least my nick doesn't sound like a hamburger helper recipe ;) |
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| 17:15.04 | poopybutt | wols_: do you hate that new "feature" as well? |
| 17:15.10 | wols_ | yes I do |
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| 17:15.24 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: I take a mangy mutt like streuner any day over a script kiddie :P |
| 17:15.25 | peterrus | How can i check wheter or not i have dmix enabled? |
| 17:15.28 | unfo | I wonder if application tabs are really necessary. t would be better if KDE had a subwindow bar at the top of the screen that showed a button for each subwindow of whatever app is in the foreground. |
| 17:15.37 | Lumpio- | enouf: So erm, which repository am I supposed to use for the 2.6 kernel? The first Google hits say I need to use Debian unstable to update to it. |
| 17:15.49 | Lumpio- | Current sources.list: http://lumpio.no-ip.com/b/sources.list |
| 17:15.51 | wols_ | Lumpio-: wrong |
| 17:15.52 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: enough's enough ;) |
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| 17:15.55 | unfo | Then KDE would only have to show one entry for Firefox on the taskbar, no matter how many windows you had open. |
| 17:16.00 | Lumpio- | I could as well start using unstable tho >_> |
| 17:16.00 | wols_ | Lumpio-: apt-cache search image |grep 2.6 |
| 17:16.32 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: your nick looks like one of them or some quakenet/dalnet refugee :P |
| 17:16.39 | x_link | unfo: Okey. Debian Firefox ? |
| 17:16.42 | x_link | Never heard of it. |
| 17:16.44 | Lumpio- | wols_: Oh, heh |
| 17:16.50 | Lumpio- | How did I miss those >_> |
| 17:16.54 | x_link | Is that the FireFox that comes with Debian when you instlal it ? |
| 17:17.00 | poopybutt | anybody aware of the new googlearth that came out a few days ago? |
| 17:17.03 | streuner | ]Gnea[: just change the annoying "[" into your nick, it makes me angry :-) |
| 17:17.04 | wols_ | Lumpio-: backports has newer versions if you run sarge, up to 2.6.18 |
| 17:17.08 | unfo | x_link, it's the sudo apt-get install firefox one |
| 17:17.14 | cydork | poopybutt: are you using etch? |
| 17:17.20 | poopybutt | sid |
| 17:17.24 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: i can't stand dalnet. never been on quakenet... |
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| 17:17.30 | ]Gnea[ | streuner: dude, you suck :) |
| 17:17.41 | ]Gnea[ | hrmmm |
| 17:17.41 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: they're pretty similar. IQ wise at least afaik :P |
| 17:17.42 | x_link | unfo: Okey. I will do that now. |
| 17:17.48 | x_link | unfo: But what about the FireFox I already have ? |
| 17:17.54 | unfo | x_link, dunno. |
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| 17:18.01 | x_link | I haven't downloaded it, it was there when I installed Debian. |
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| 17:18.05 | poopybutt | im just wondering if the new google earth is in apt-get yet. it has some features for free which were previously not |
| 17:18.07 | streuner | !nickometer ]Gnea[ |
| 17:18.09 | dpkg | ']Gnea[' is 38.000% lame, streuner |
| 17:18.11 | stranger | hi all |
| 17:18.14 | cydork | poopybutt: lookfor googleearth-package |
| 17:18.21 | oOGneaOo | there. |
| 17:18.21 | peterrus | lol |
| 17:18.27 | peterrus | !nickometer peterrus |
| 17:18.28 | itchi | peterrus: The howto of the fgfs should help you; http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Linux_software_audio_mixing_with_FlightGear |
| 17:18.28 | dpkg | 'peterrus' is 0.000% lame, peterrus |
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| 17:18.36 | x_link | unfo: It asks for a password ? |
| 17:18.37 | poopybutt | cydork: i see it, but i dont know how to see a version or info on it |
| 17:18.37 | oOGneaOo | !nickometer oOGneaOo |
| 17:18.39 | dpkg | 'oOGneaOo' is 27.000% lame, oogneaoo |
| 17:18.42 | peterrus | itchi: cool thanks :) |
| 17:18.49 | oOGneaOo | well at least it dropped 11 points |
| 17:18.54 | unfo | x_link, oops i meant apt-get install firefox |
| 17:18.55 | wols_ | improvement! |
| 17:18.59 | peterrus | i have 0% |
| 17:19.00 | Lumpio- | Now let's try an average QuakeNet nick |
| 17:19.02 | peterrus | i am unlame |
| 17:19.04 | chino | does the live cd come with a de and that popular gui packet sniffer ? |
| 17:19.09 | oOGneaOo | i'll leave 0% within 30 days. |
| 17:19.16 | peterrus | lol |
| 17:19.18 | peterrus | dont think so |
| 17:19.24 | Lumpio- | !nickometer [PwN]pur3Pwn4ge`afk|cs |
| 17:19.26 | dpkg | '[PwN]pur3Pwn4ge`afk|cs' is 53.000% lame, lumpio- |
| 17:19.27 | x_link | unfo: apt-get install firefox one ? |
| 17:19.29 | Lumpio- | Interesting |
| 17:19.30 | unfo | i use ngrep, not wireshark. ngrep is smaller |
| 17:19.32 | unfo | x_link, yes |
| 17:19.33 | x_link | Ahh just apt-get install firefox. |
| 17:19.37 | x_link | Okey. |
| 17:19.42 | streuner | oOGneaOo: i wouldn't be 100 percent sure about that :-P |
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| 17:19.44 | x_link | unfo: Sorry.. I'm really new on Linux =/ |
| 17:19.44 | CharminTheMoose | question:Is X11R6 Dead?as in the sense that it's never gonna be X11R7? |
| 17:19.48 | oOGneaOo | streuner: is this better? |
| 17:19.48 | stranger | I used to be able to mount my usb memory stick by issuing mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb . today is the first time after my upgrade from sarge to etch that I needed the usb flash and tis command didnt work, any hints? |
| 17:19.55 | unfo | x_link, thats ok, everyone is new sometimes. |
| 17:20.04 | x_link | Yeah |
| 17:20.08 | streuner | oOGneaOo: yes, nickcompletitations is better |
| 17:20.09 | oOGneaOo | stranger: is it defined in fstab already? |
| 17:20.14 | oOGneaOo | streuner: ok cool |
| 17:20.15 | unfo | stranger, why did you upgrade? |
| 17:20.17 | x_link | apt-get install firefox one ( firefox is already the latest version ) |
| 17:20.21 | x_link | So I guess I already have it. |
| 17:20.37 | peterrus | stranger: check fstab |
| 17:20.43 | peterrus | and what is the error? |
| 17:20.48 | cydork | stranger: what do you mean by didn't work? |
| 17:20.50 | unfo | x_link, good. don't use swiftfox - use firefox instead. :) |
| 17:21.26 | x_link | unfo: Okey. |
| 17:21.33 | x_link | apt-get remove swiftfox then, right ? |
| 17:21.44 | cydork | x_link: man apt-get |
| 17:21.47 | x_link | apt-get remove swiftfox, even |
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| 17:21.54 | x_link | cydork: Okey. |
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| 17:22.37 | enouf | Lumpio-: I already told you like 10 minutes ago .. the repos listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list ! |
| 17:22.56 | Lumpio- | enouf: Yes yes, sorry, I didn't search properly (you gave me the wrong package name tho) |
| 17:23.03 | x_link | bbl |
| 17:23.13 | x_link | unfo: Thanks alot, I appreciate the help. |
| 17:23.15 | enouf | Lumpio-: I did? how so |
| 17:23.27 | unfo | x_link, youre welcome. |
| 17:23.55 | Lumpio- | It was kernel-image-2.6-686 instead of linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 17:24.12 | stranger | oOGneaOo , peterrus, no it is not in fstab and never was |
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| 17:24.34 | oOGneaOo | stranger: maybe it's not /dev/sda this time |
| 17:25.05 | stranger | unfo, because I wanted new versions of some program and didn't like the idea of backports, plus this is my personal computer not a office production system |
| 17:25.11 | cydork | !tell stranger -about usb storage |
| 17:25.12 | enouf | Lumpio-: same thing ..apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:25.21 | cydork | stranger: and you haven't told us the actual error yet |
| 17:25.22 | unfo | stranger, i like backports :) |
| 17:25.23 | CharminTheMoose | question:Is X11R6 Dead?as in the sense that it's never gonna be X11R7? |
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| 17:25.39 | oOGneaOo | stranger: there's nothing wrong with backports. |
| 17:25.43 | stranger | oOGneaOo, so how to know what it is now? |
| 17:25.46 | unfo | CharminTheMoose, i stood up and that at Ottawa Linux Symposium. |
| 17:25.48 | chino | does the main debian site have bootable cd's ? |
| 17:25.56 | unfo | s/that/asked that |
| 17:26.00 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: check http://www.x.org/ |
| 17:26.03 | oOGneaOo | stranger: check kernel messages or syslog |
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| 17:26.08 | unfo | CharminTheMoose, number 1, I think Xorg 7 is considered X11R7 |
| 17:26.20 | stranger | oOGneaOo, until you want to upgrade, that is what I was told |
| 17:26.45 | unfo | CharminTheMoose, number 2, X is gradually being rewritten piece-by-piece. Xlib -> XCB is just one example. |
| 17:26.51 | stranger | oOGneaOo, dmesg didn't show that |
| 17:26.51 | stranger | oOGneaOo, or I must have missed it |
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| 17:27.11 | oOGneaOo | stranger: you probably just missed it |
| 17:27.15 | slept | what does /bin/dd bs 1 if do ? I found it as a running process and I am sure i didnt start it and have never seen it before |
| 17:27.36 | oOGneaOo | slept: nothing, that's improper syntax |
| 17:28.11 | slept | without do ? |
| 17:28.28 | Lumpio- | enouf: My system disagrees: W: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:28.32 | stranger | cydork, it complains about not telling the file system, which I didn't need to do before, and when I add -t vfat it says that special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 17:28.38 | unfo | slept, run pstree |
| 17:28.48 | cydork | stranger: check /proc/partitions |
| 17:29.04 | slept | where can it come from ? the machine if behaving very strange, cat /etc/fstab : file not found |
| 17:29.06 | oOGneaOo | slept: i'm willing to bet that you didn't produce the original arguments |
| 17:29.23 | oOGneaOo | slept: looks like you've been owned |
| 17:29.43 | stranger | cydork, it only has hda and its partitions |
| 17:29.57 | slept | it not my machine , its on "my" network |
| 17:30.03 | unfo | "your"? |
| 17:30.08 | valdyn | slept: dd if isnt a conditional statue, if in that conext is 'input file' |
| 17:30.08 | cydork | stranger: then it's not detected or module is not loaded. |
| 17:30.17 | valdyn | slept: dd if isnt a conditional statement, if in that conext is 'input file' |
| 17:30.19 | Lumpio- | Also -686 seems to totally lock up on boot. I'm guessing my relic of a processor doesn't like it |
| 17:30.25 | oOGneaOo | slept: then a machine on your network got owned. |
| 17:30.28 | Lumpio- | Ah well, let's see is it likes -386 more |
| 17:30.49 | oOGneaOo | Lumpio-: uh, didn't you say it's a K6? |
| 17:31.05 | slept | but i cant access it direct , cause the server doesn't allow ssh to go from server to machines and i am 10000 miles away :( |
| 17:31.19 | Lumpio- | oOGneaOo: Is an AMD K6 i686 then? |
| 17:31.31 | valdyn | Lumpio-: i doubt that, not entirely sure though |
| 17:31.33 | oOGneaOo | slept: doesn't sound very secure to me |
| 17:31.45 | Lumpio- | I thought i686 seemed a bit too... new too |
| 17:32.00 | oOGneaOo | Lumpio-: what does uname -m say? |
| 17:32.09 | Lumpio- | i585 :P |
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| 17:32.14 | oOGneaOo | hehe :) |
| 17:32.17 | Lumpio- | Bleh. |
| 17:32.23 | Lumpio- | And I even pasted that here o_O |
| 17:32.26 | oOGneaOo | try a -k6 or a -586 kernel image |
| 17:33.41 | Lumpio- | There's no 2.6 kernel image for -k6 or -586 :P |
| 17:33.46 | stranger | cydork, grepping lsmod for both usb-storage and sd_mod comes empty |
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| 17:34.00 | Lumpio- | In the repos I'm using at least... and I'm too lazy to add new ones >_> |
| 17:34.13 | cydork | stranger: try to modprobe them |
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| 17:34.26 | oOGneaOo | Lumpio-: what about linux-image? |
| 17:34.57 | enouf | Lumpio-: your system sucks hen ; |
| 17:34.58 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:35.00 | enouf | linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 17:35.00 | enouf | linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 17:35.08 | valdyn | stranger: you should grep for usb_storage |
| 17:35.08 | Lumpio- | eno: It's possible :P |
| 17:35.09 | cydork | enouf: you should know better |
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| 17:35.15 | enouf | mwahaahahah |
| 17:36.01 | Lumpio- | Tabfailure >_< |
| 17:37.02 | Lumpio- | Meh. |
| 17:37.18 | Lumpio- | Same parport error under 2.6.8 >_< |
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| 17:37.41 | Lumpio- | 0778-077a : parport0 |
| 17:37.43 | oOGneaOo | Lumpio-: yeah, just get a 386 then compile the source and make your own 586 .deb |
| 17:37.52 | enouf | Lumpio-: see ? your system sucks :-p .. and now your Printer sucks too |
| 17:37.52 | Lumpio- | appeared in /proc/ioports tho |
| 17:37.58 | Lumpio- | enouf: I'm not gonna use it for printing ;P |
| 17:38.02 | Lumpio- | Electronics tinkering. |
| 17:38.08 | stranger | cydork, valdyn modprobed both and both show in |
| 17:38.10 | enouf | Lumpio-: how did I know |
| 17:38.15 | oOGneaOo | !troll enouf |
| 17:38.15 | Lumpio- | You didn't |
| 17:38.23 | oOGneaOo | troll enouf |
| 17:38.36 | stranger | cydork, valdyn and both show in lsmod | grep |
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| 17:38.40 | enouf | Lumpio-: I remember you .. he one that wants to fast i/o control nonsense something-or-another |
| 17:38.46 | enouf | the* |
| 17:38.49 | oOGneaOo | ~troll enouf |
| 17:38.51 | apt | ACTION hereby declares enouf a troll |
| 17:38.52 | Lumpio- | enouf: Remember me from when? |
| 17:39.02 | Lumpio- | First time on this channel at least :P |
| 17:39.09 | Lumpio- | And I haven't asked about parallel ports on IRC before... |
| 17:39.11 | cydork | stranger: now check /proc/partitions |
| 17:39.13 | enouf | asking a few weeks ago .. different nick though |
| 17:39.15 | embrik | Is there a wizard for printing pictures for linux, like the one in Win XP? |
| 17:39.18 | oOGneaOo | Lumpio-: he's a known troublemaker, better to just /ignore him |
| 17:39.22 | Lumpio- | Wasn't me, I always use this nick |
| 17:39.37 | stranger | cydork, valdyn, but still get the same result |
| 17:39.37 | Lumpio- | oOGneaOo: Nah :P |
| 17:39.38 | enouf | !knoppixsmite oOGneaOo |
| 17:40.01 | shogunx | heh heh |
| 17:40.10 | enouf | yeah .. that;s it .. I'm a troublemaker .. hehe |
| 17:40.21 | Lumpio- | Now tell me how to get lp0 not to autoload |
| 17:40.28 | Lumpio- | Erm, lp thatis |
| 17:40.39 | atulinius | i can't use my dead keys - ie., no accented characters.. what might be wrong? |
| 17:40.43 | Lumpio- | It caused parport trouble on a setup I had ages ago... |
| 17:40.54 | oOGneaOo | Lumpio-: are you trying to get a printer to work? |
| 17:40.54 | stranger | cydork, sda and sda1 are in there |
| 17:40.56 | Lumpio- | If I modprobe -r lp, it just gets reloaded when I try to access the parport |
| 17:40.58 | enouf | !tell Lumpio- about blacklist |
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| 17:41.23 | Lumpio- | Aha, /etc/discover.conf |
| 17:41.24 | Lumpio- | Missed that one |
| 17:41.32 | Lumpio- | oOGneaOo: Nah, just parport in general :P |
| 17:41.36 | cydork | stranger: great now use /dev/sda1 :) |
| 17:41.36 | Lumpio- | Not printing |
| 17:41.41 | oOGneaOo | oh ok |
| 17:42.16 | Lumpio- | Blacklisting didn't help. |
| 17:42.25 | unfo | I think it's cool how I can echo foo > /dev/usb/lp0 and it prints out the line "foo" on my Epson 720 inkjet :) |
| 17:42.30 | Lumpio- | I added the "skip lp" to /etc/discover.conf too and even stopped lpd |
| 17:42.48 | peterrus | unfo: cat "lol" /dev/soundcard |
| 17:42.54 | peterrus | >* |
| 17:43.08 | unfo | peterrus, nah, I value my ears :) |
| 17:43.11 | oOGneaOo | unfo: that's about as cool as cat /dev/urandom > /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 17:43.17 | stranger | cydork, I did and got the same error, it asks for fs type and when I say -t vfat it says special device /dev/sda1 doesn't exist |
| 17:43.21 | peterrus | DONT! |
| 17:43.21 | peterrus | XD |
| 17:43.27 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 17:43.30 | oOGneaOo | you think? :) |
| 17:43.51 | unfo | oOGneaOo, sometimes newbies try random things that people suggest on IRC. :) |
| 17:43.53 | cydork | stranger: doesn't exist? |
| 17:43.54 | stranger | cydork, :-) |
| 17:44.00 | Lumpio- | It still loads the module automagically when I open() the parport device :\ |
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| 17:44.13 | oOGneaOo | unfo: they know where the power button is located :) |
| 17:44.20 | stranger | cydork, that is what mount says! |
| 17:44.21 | enouf | Lumpio-: disable it in the BIOS .. I don't even want to know what you're trying to do anymore :-p you're |
| 17:44.23 | Lumpio- | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/midi00 is also fun if you have a MIDI synth :P |
| 17:44.28 | Lumpio- | lol |
| 17:44.40 | unfo | oOGneaOo, true. but it's still a waste of paper. |
| 17:44.41 | nayyares | i am getting error when installing gtk+2.6 "configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0 atk >= 1.0.1 pango >= 1.7.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them." |
| 17:44.45 | Lumpio- | Infact currently I'm trying to get serdisplib to work. It uses parport. |
| 17:44.52 | embrik | I am a teacher who have installed debian on the schol's network. The techers try to find things to criticise, no it is the lack of wizard to print pictures like they had on Windows XP. Anybody who knows if there are any programmes doing the same thinon linux/debian? |
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| 17:45.00 | Lumpio- | (I tried with a minimal C program too and it's the ioctl(PPCLAIM) that makes it fail) |
| 17:45.22 | oOGneaOo | embrik: on a linux desktop? |
| 17:45.34 | embrik | Yes |
| 17:45.44 | oOGneaOo | i usually just print pictures from firefox |
| 17:45.55 | oOGneaOo | file->open->yada |
| 17:46.00 | unfo | nayyares, what is your end goal? what do you want to install? |
| 17:46.22 | cydork | stranger: that is quite strange :) |
| 17:46.27 | knoxy | I'm trying to install a kernel-image-2.6.18 compiled with make-kpkg.. but this dont work.. in 'dpkg -i kernel_package_name.deb' this returns "Setting up kernel-image-2.6.18.2 (10.00.Custom) ... Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated (10.00.Custom)" and not install a new kernel.. why? |
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| 17:46.41 | stranger | cydork, I know , It just worked before |
| 17:46.50 | nayyares | i want to install screencasting software, but it need gtk+2.6 and Glib2.6 libs |
| 17:47.05 | unfo | nayyares, did you search for the software at apt-get.org? |
| 17:47.09 | embrik | They've got an album from the school trip and want to run a wizard like they did in XP, being able to chose pictures to send to the printer, and then the last step, they can choose the sicze of the pictures... |
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| 17:47.10 | nayyares | unfo, when i tried to install them, they are giving me error |
| 17:47.24 | Flimzy | DNS zone transfers all happen over port 53 same as standard dns queries, right? |
| 17:47.24 | Feax | how can I use for not use the nvidia official driver ? |
| 17:47.53 | Ronin | pardon Feax ? |
| 17:48.00 | streuner | just choose some different driver? |
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| 17:48.02 | CharminTheMoose | are there any usenet reading programs?or am I being silly? |
| 17:48.02 | jelly-home | Flimzy: yes, it's the same protocol. |
| 17:48.05 | streuner | not 'nv'? |
| 17:48.10 | Flimzy | jelly-home: thanks |
| 17:48.11 | Feax | Ronin je peux utiliser quoi en apt-get pour controler ma carte nvidiz ? |
| 17:48.16 | unfo | CharminTheMoose, i like slrn, though pan is better |
| 17:48.18 | unfo | !fr |
| 17:48.18 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:48.42 | jelly-home | Flimzy: be sure to have both udp and tcp open. |
| 17:48.49 | Feax | what drivers can I use for my nvidia card ? |
| 17:49.21 | embrik | anybody knows about a programme which gives you the possibility to print out selected pictures from an album? |
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| 17:49.45 | sexyken | Guys -- anyone know what package "lame" would be in debian? |
| 17:49.48 | tarzeau | can anyone run a mirror of GNUSTEP 1.0 for me? it'll cause way much traffic |
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| 17:50.28 | streuner | Who banned 'raf256'? |
| 17:50.28 | Ronin | streuner: a smart person? |
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| 17:50.28 | streuner | sexyken: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:50.28 | poopybutt | is there going to be a shockwave for linux coming out at any point? |
| 17:50.28 | streuner | Ronin: hm :-) |
| 17:50.28 | unfo | sexyken, it's easier to make OGG files than MP3s. |
| 17:50.32 | sexyken | unfo: Dont assume what I'm doing. |
| 17:50.36 | Feax | Ronin which driver can I use for my debian with apt-get ? I don't want the officiel NVidia driver because it is a .sh |
| 17:50.40 | unfo | sexyken, i'm not :) |
| 17:50.40 | sexyken | unfo: It's a requirement for Asterisk to run the way I need it to |
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| 17:50.46 | unfo | oh. |
| 17:50.49 | sexyken | So yes, you were. |
| 17:50.51 | sexyken | :-) |
| 17:50.56 | peterrus | itchi, looks like that howto fixed it. great thanks :D |
| 17:50.59 | embrik | unfo: you can't play ogg files on an MP#-player, can you? |
| 17:51.15 | unfo | embrik, you need one that plays OGG. Many do. |
| 17:51.16 | peterrus | embrik: mine can, but it rare |
| 17:51.32 | streuner | !tell sexyken about marillat |
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| 17:51.37 | peterrus | rare i would say, the cheap ones dont at least, in most cases |
| 17:51.37 | embrik | petterus: mine can't so I thought no one could.. |
| 17:51.39 | Ronin | !tell Feax abotu nvidia |
| 17:51.52 | Ronin | !tell Feax about nvidia |
| 17:52.06 | sexyken | Thanks streuner! So I gotta add this to the sources.list and update/install |
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| 17:52.54 | eeyore- | morning |
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| 17:53.25 | streuner | no eeyore- :-) |
| 17:53.29 | streuner | Mo 6. Nov 18:53:28 CET 2006 |
| 17:53.39 | streuner | its almost evening here :-) |
| 17:53.46 | peterrus | streuner, you live close to me then |
| 17:53.50 | peterrus | sam time here |
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| 17:54.00 | cydork | same here too :P |
| 17:54.04 | peterrus | omg! |
| 17:54.06 | peterrus | its a complot! |
| 17:54.11 | streuner | peterrus: germany |
| 17:54.11 | vostorga | gmt -6 |
| 17:54.18 | peterrus | streuner: holland |
| 17:54.22 | peterrus | lol |
| 17:54.27 | peterrus | i mean, ha |
| 17:54.41 | peterrus | sorry abrotman |
| 17:54.46 | knoxy | I'm trying to install a kernel-image-2.6.18 compiled with make-kpkg.. but this dont work.. in 'dpkg -i kernel_package_name.deb' this returns "Setting up kernel-image-2.6.18.2 (10.00.Custom) ... Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated (10.00.Custom)" and not install a new kernel.. why? |
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| 17:55.15 | Lumpio- | Well, at least 2.6 fixes something \o/ |
| 17:55.25 | Lumpio- | ALSA's MIDI output keeps its tempo now |
| 17:55.30 | Lumpio- | It was... very weird earlier :p |
| 17:55.31 | embrik | ok, no print wizzard for printing pictures in debian? |
| 17:55.43 | vostorga | wizzard? |
| 17:55.43 | xordali | why i can't start kdm (xserver) http://paste.debian.net/16212 |
| 17:56.37 | embrik | wizzard is a programme guiding the user step by step in order to solve a task, for intance printing selected pictures |
| 17:57.02 | streuner | xordali: using unstable and unable to start X? |
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| 17:57.43 | xordali | streuner, i use etch! |
| 17:57.51 | earthian|v2 | \o/ |
| 17:57.57 | streuner | hm, xen kernels are in etch then |
| 17:58.04 | earthian|v2 | i started the netinst cd setup process |
| 17:58.09 | earthian|v2 | it asks me to partition the system |
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| 17:58.22 | earthian|v2 | however it sees two sata drives instead of one fake raid0 |
| 17:58.28 | earthian|v2 | i need dmraid |
| 17:58.35 | streuner | xordali: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 17:58.40 | earthian|v2 | but switching to tty2 i cant locate apt-get :o |
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| 17:58.49 | valdyn | !ig |
| 17:58.49 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 17:58.53 | earthian|v2 | how do i install apt ? |
| 17:58.55 | earthian|v2 | ah |
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| 17:59.45 | xordali | streuner, xor:~# lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 17:59.45 | xordali | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 18:00.11 | streuner | xordali: did you choose 'nv' or 'nvidia' ? |
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| 18:02.20 | xordali | stranger: thanks, problem with nvidia, now i use nv and kde works fine! :) |
| 18:02.30 | streuner | ok |
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| 18:03.24 | CharminTheMoose | why IS there such a big problem with nvidia videocards/drivers on linux? |
| 18:03.35 | streuner | they aren't open source |
| 18:03.49 | roe_ | you won't think so once you try ati's drivers |
| 18:03.51 | oOGneaOo | the nvidia kernel driver is open source, but the rest isn't |
| 18:04.02 | CharminTheMoose | oh right... |
| 18:04.05 | CharminTheMoose | how enlightening |
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| 18:04.29 | agnostic-c | If I have a bug report and patch that was caused by a FIXED bug, do I attach that to the FIXED bug report or start a new one? |
| 18:04.31 | oOGneaOo | but then ATI has some pretty shitty support. at least nvidia's will compile most of the time. |
| 18:04.34 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: generally there isn't |
| 18:04.40 | d0uglas_ | is a .bin worthless without the .cue? |
| 18:04.44 | sohmestra | CharminTheMoose: how about: "Ask Nvidia. They won't let anyone else write proper software for their video cards." |
| 18:04.45 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: wait, what do you mean by "such a big problem" |
| 18:04.51 | oOGneaOo | d0uglas_: pretty much |
| 18:05.04 | d0uglas_ | damn. |
| 18:05.07 | d0uglas_ | ok thanks |
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| 18:05.27 | oOGneaOo | d0uglas_: .cue files aren't difficult to create tho |
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| 18:05.45 | d0uglas | hmm, any idea how? |
| 18:06.04 | d0uglas | well, i'll pico one and ... reverse engineer the protocol :) |
| 18:06.21 | oOGneaOo | just... find some and model it |
| 18:06.23 | CharminTheMoose | eeymore-:I mean that people have trouble with them and what not |
| 18:06.29 | CharminTheMoose | and i see it all the time |
| 18:06.33 | oOGneaOo | it's such a simple layout |
| 18:06.44 | enouf | d0uglas_: they're just playlists basically |
| 18:09.19 | knoxy | Somebody help-me? I need to install a kernel compiled by make-kpkg but it's impossible. The error is: "Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated (10.00.Custom)" |
| 18:09.47 | valdyn | knoxy: that is not an error |
| 18:10.36 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: well, there will always be people with problems, and people without. those without, they either don't have the hardware, or know how to deal with the problems :-) |
| 18:10.53 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: you can't get around that ... |
| 18:11.17 | knoxy | valdyn, how can I do to fix it? |
| 18:11.32 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: its just the most common hardware that requires a driver not in the kernel. It's not particularily problematic |
| 18:11.34 | knoxy | valdyn, removing /lib/modules/my.kernel.version? |
| 18:11.41 | sexyken | How do I install source files for asterisk? |
| 18:11.48 | valdyn | knoxy: its not an error, there's nothing to fix |
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| 18:11.58 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: i can't recall the last time i had *legitimate* problems with nvidia software |
| 18:12.14 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: I have used http://users.andara.com/~doiron/bin2iso/ (to generate a cue from a bin) - only works for simple cases though as stated on the page |
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| 18:12.29 | d0uglas | hey man thanks |
| 18:12.31 | d0uglas | good stuff |
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| 18:12.36 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: if i had to guess it would be the ... oh ... the odd bug with Xorg 7.x (or was it 6.x series) where nvidia driver would die, but leave display and mouse moving (it stopped processing further X events) |
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| 18:12.58 | wimpies | anybody around that can help with hda-intel sound board and setting up microphone recording ? |
| 18:12.59 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: now THAT was legitimate gripe :-) |
| 18:13.02 | knoxy | valdyn, Otherwise, I suggest you move /lib/modules/2.6.18.2 out of the way, |
| 18:13.02 | knoxy | perhaps to /lib/modules/2.6.18.2.old or something, and then try |
| 18:13.02 | knoxy | re-installing this image. |
| 18:13.02 | knoxy | Do you want to stop now? [Y/n] |
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| 18:13.30 | poopybutt | how do i find out what version of java i have |
| 18:13.42 | valdyn | knoxy: what's your issue? that you dont understand this text? you are not seeing an error, everything is fine |
| 18:13.57 | eeyore- | knoxy: mv /lib/modules/`uname -r` /lib/modules/currently-running-kernel; then re-do the make-kpkg command |
| 18:14.14 | valdyn | eeyore-: pointless |
| 18:14.18 | stew | poopybutt: java -version |
| 18:14.21 | eeyore- | knoxy: actually do read the error and try to understand it |
| 18:14.23 | eeyore- | valdyn: oh? |
| 18:14.57 | valdyn | eeyore-: this is all just safety measures, he just needs to reboot after installing that new kernel, which he plans to anyway, i assume |
| 18:15.47 | eeyore- | valdyn: well there's a point to it :-) if debian makes statements that, though true, look "scary" and might indicate problem, then those less technically-equipped will think it's a problem. that happens all the time in all areas of technology. |
| 18:15.50 | valdyn | eeyore-: if he wanted to overwrite his old kernel and keep using his old kernel, then he'd have to jump through those hoops |
| 18:16.02 | eeyore- | valdyn: i'm not a fan of dumbing down, but something is a candidate :-) |
| 18:16.27 | sexyken | How do I install svn? |
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| 18:16.48 | eeyore- | valdyn: generally speaking there isn't a problem with running kernel, recompiling it and make new modules, and installing modules *and* modprobing the newly-compiled module in running kernel |
| 18:17.13 | eeyore- | valdyn: so i don't see why even make that warning necessary |
| 18:17.40 | valdyn | eeyore-: that doesnt necessarily work |
| 18:17.52 | valdyn | eeyore-: but in most cases it will |
| 18:17.55 | eeyore- | valdyn: it's always "worked for me" :-) for what i do (new sata modules, etc.) |
| 18:17.58 | valdyn | eeyore-: so its.. unsafe |
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| 18:18.26 | eeyore- | or forgotten modules like ipw2100 drivers made outside of kernel |
| 18:19.19 | valdyn | eeyore-: when your newly created kernel has a feature built in that the old one has not, then new modules cant just be loaded safely if they rely on that feature |
| 18:19.58 | valdyn | eeyore-: practically that's hardly ever the case, sure |
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| 18:22.06 | eeyore- | valdyn: yeah, that's one case you'll run into problem, but in THAT event, why not make the complaint logic target that specific case? :-) see, rather than take the easy way out and scaring everybody unnecessarily, be more targeted |
| 18:22.41 | eeyore- | ok that's getting outside of normal #debian discussion :-) |
| 18:23.01 | jair | hello guys, i am not looking for a one to one help or support but anyone knows a good site where explain how to have a NFS set up in Debian sarge? |
| 18:23.11 | valdyn | !nfs |
| 18:23.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 18:23.28 | jair | valdyn: :) you are the Man ;) |
| 18:23.44 | valdyn | jair: there should be nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server or similar, you need 1 of both |
| 18:25.02 | eeyore- | go with nfs-kernel-server |
| 18:25.20 | eeyore- | userspace nfs is out of date. doesn't support anything other than v1 and v2 |
| 18:26.25 | jair | eeyore-: so you are saying if I have the kernel 2.6.8-3 I should go with nfs-kernel-server? |
| 18:26.33 | eeyore- | jair: definitely |
| 18:26.36 | jair | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:26.42 | earthian|v2 | i fail to find any guidaince how to install a deb package on a system that booted from netinst cdrom |
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| 18:26.52 | earthian|v2 | can somebody help me? i see there some kind of anna |
| 18:26.56 | earthian|v2 | i have dmraid in cdrom |
| 18:27.01 | earthian|v2 | need to install it and launch |
| 18:27.03 | jair | eeyore-: so all I will need to do is apt-get install nfs-kernel-server and nfs and then start creating my exports? |
| 18:27.04 | valdyn | kernel nfs used to break often, i recall, but lately i havent seen a problem |
| 18:27.05 | eeyore- | finally we're supposed to get libata passthrough of SMART commands in 2.6.19? |
| 18:27.09 | earthian|v2 | dunno how |
| 18:27.23 | valdyn | eeyore-: mm, already have that? |
| 18:27.30 | eeyore- | jair: you also have to enable nfs server features in kernel (if you use standard kernel you might have that) |
| 18:27.32 | earthian|v2 | apt-get or dpkg does not exist :S |
| 18:27.39 | eeyore- | valdyn: you mean "mm" branch? |
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| 18:27.47 | B|nTaRa | hello |
| 18:27.50 | eeyore- | valdyn: or "mmmmm, i have that now" |
| 18:27.56 | B|nTaRa | i would like to try debian linux |
| 18:28.06 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 18:28.06 | B|nTaRa | which ISOs i should download ? |
| 18:28.06 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 18:28.13 | valdyn | eeyore-: smartctl works on my sata drives, no idea what else your statement would mean |
| 18:28.18 | valdyn | eeyore-: 2.6.17 ( no mm ) |
| 18:28.29 | eeyore- | valdyn: weird ... smartctl don't work on my sata drives |
| 18:28.41 | B|nTaRa | there r like 12 ISOs ... i dont know which one i should choose |
| 18:28.52 | eeyore- | valdyn: one is on promise sata controller, the others are on the sil3114 controller |
| 18:28.54 | abrotman | !d-i B|nTaRa |
| 18:28.54 | dpkg | B|nTaRa, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:29.29 | B|nTaRa | abrotman : i know that ,,, i read that |
| 18:29.36 | valdyn | eeyore-: 2 sata_promise, one sata_via |
| 18:29.37 | abrotman | okay .. so get it |
| 18:29.40 | B|nTaRa | should i download 9 ISOs |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | do you have broadband ? |
| 18:29.50 | Keps | B|nTaRa: dop you have a fast connection, if so, i would say go for the netinstaller |
| 18:30.06 | jair | eeyore-: so then kernel that comes with the source.lst I have it yes this one: Linux debianr51 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:30.06 | wols_ | B|nTaRa: only download the first. nothing else yet |
| 18:30.17 | B|nTaRa | oki .. thanks |
| 18:30.50 | eeyore- | hmm, will have to check mailing list for sure |
| 18:30.56 | jair | eeyore-: that means that we can use Iscsi in debian now? it have an initiator for the SAN promise ? |
| 18:31.12 | jair | and what about equalogic? |
| 18:31.14 | eeyore- | jair: i don't know about that (iscsi) |
| 18:31.21 | jair | ohh ok |
| 18:32.00 | jair | eeyore-: so i think I have all I need with my kernel Linux debianr51 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux for the NFS configuration? |
| 18:32.08 | eeyore- | jair: quite possibly |
| 18:32.19 | jair | eeyore-: there is a way for me to test? |
| 18:32.25 | eeyore- | jair: but don't you want a more up to date kernel than that? |
| 18:32.28 | valdyn | jair: man exports |
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| 18:32.41 | eeyore- | jair: sure, check the config file for kernel you're running. CONFIG_*NFS* |
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| 18:32.59 | valdyn | jair: then mount an nfs share mount -t nfs server:/share ( iirc ) |
| 18:33.14 | earthian|v2 | can somebody help me to install package.udeb on a system wihout dpkg and apt-get but with netinst cdrom packages present |
| 18:33.39 | jair | eeyore-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BPnNeP86.html |
| 18:34.12 | eeyore- | eh? :-) grep CONFIG_NFSD /boot/config* |
| 18:34.19 | jair | eeyore-: ok |
| 18:35.20 | jair | eeyore-: this looks good to me? http://rafb.net/paste/results/tbwlSh14.html |
| 18:36.08 | eeyore- | jair: sure |
| 18:36.12 | valdyn | jair: debian kernels do supoprt nfsd, you just need to read the exports manpage and edit /etc/exports to your liking |
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| 18:37.07 | jair | valdyn: so i am done here all I have to do is start creating the exports and add the hosts that will have access to it? |
| 18:37.24 | valdyn | jair: yea |
| 18:37.31 | jair | it is a way i can limit the space of my exports? using quotas or something like that? |
| 18:38.03 | eeyore- | jair: you sure you don't want a netapp? :-) |
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| 18:38.12 | jair | netapp? |
| 18:38.12 | berzerka | hey guys. the fonts in mozilla-thunderbird are ""suddenly"" very broken, approximately half the text is shown at all, until i focus the widget/line/whatever is missing text. suddenly because i am not able to reconstruct when the error occured. it was probably a package update. around the same time in- and deinstalled a .deb package for skype. has this behaviour shown up before? there doesn't seem to be a bug reported at bugs.debian.org. |
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| 18:39.14 | jair | eeyore-: what do you mean with netapp? |
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| 18:40.39 | jair | valdyn: that link for NFS how-to take you nowhere |
| 18:41.05 | jair | and it sounds like NFS is not that secure, even in a private network? |
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| 18:42.49 | eeyore- | jair: well, it's "secure enough". if you have people who will do malicious things to your data (say, privacy) then you have bigger problems on your hand |
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| 18:43.10 | eeyore- | jair: but "insecure" doesn't mean "any bozo can erase files and have a field day" |
| 18:43.54 | jair | eeyore-: it is a way i can mout NFS as read only I am sure of that |
| 18:44.00 | dutche- | hi, does anybody can help me with NFS, I set a directory to export and start portmap, nfs-kernel-server, but dont work, on my client machine I cant mount it, says that server is down |
| 18:44.00 | SpComb | doesn't it use IP-address based auth? |
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| 18:45.36 | spahija | what to do to activate wireless on boot and to be default network ?? |
| 18:46.00 | vostorga | spahija, /etc/nework/interfaces |
| 18:46.06 | vostorga | *network |
| 18:46.10 | spahija | vostorga, yes ... |
| 18:47.18 | jareth_ | upgraded to sid. went flawlessly. now i can acces memcard on my smartphone. sony ericsson m600i :) |
| 18:47.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:47.34 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:47.40 | eeyore- | jair: sure |
| 18:47.45 | spahija | vostorga, can you explain a little bit more ? |
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| 18:47.51 | pollo12kg | Hi |
| 18:47.55 | eeyore- | jair: the server enforces read/write policy. read the manpage for exports file. |
| 18:47.58 | pollo12kg | Where can I download a debian potato image ? |
| 18:48.11 | eeyore- | jair: and if you're really paranoid, "chattr +i" the file(s) on your NFS server to be extra-sure |
| 18:48.11 | spahija | vostorga, what to add to mark it as default network(device) |
| 18:48.57 | dutche- | How can I see why my nfs client machine isn't connecting to server? |
| 18:48.59 | Bry2k200 | hi i have a quick stupid question, where do i copy my xorg.conf.new file to? |
| 18:49.10 | Bry2k200 | re-installing debian and i'm forgetting everything |
| 18:49.26 | eeyore- | dutche-: on a client machine, "rpcinfo -p servername", show me output |
| 18:49.29 | spahija | Bry2k200, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:49.35 | Bry2k200 | thanks m8 |
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| 18:49.47 | spahija | Bry2k200, use slocate to find old one :D |
| 18:49.59 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 18:50.22 | poopybutt | how can i tell which version of a program is in the apt-get repo? |
| 18:50.47 | pollo12kg | poopybutt, apt-cache show <program> |
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| 18:51.27 | poopybutt | pollo12kg: thanks |
| 18:51.43 | pollo12kg | poopybutt, or more short, apt-cache policy <program> |
| 18:51.48 | vostorga | spahija, http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/man2html/usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz |
| 18:52.11 | pollo12kg | Where can I download a debian potato image ? |
| 18:52.29 | earthian|v2 | how could i start debian network installer cdrom with dmraid support which IS on the cdrom!? |
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| 18:53.29 | poopybutt | when i do ctrl alt f1, how do i get back to gui? |
| 18:53.34 | the_lord | Hi! |
| 18:53.39 | tarzeau | poopybutt: ctrl alt f7 |
| 18:53.55 | jair | eeyore-: what "chattr +i" this will do? |
| 18:53.57 | the_lord | anything to auto-select the best mirror for apt? |
| 18:56.38 | Ronin | the_lord: apt-spy |
| 18:56.47 | eeyore- | jair: make a file (on ext2/ext3) immutable (can't be modified) |
| 18:56.58 | the_lord | Ronin: thx |
| 18:57.17 | dutche- | eeyore-, I tried to run 'rpcinfo -p servername' from my client machine, and I got no answer, but in the local machine the answer was http://channels.debian.net/paste/4386 |
| 18:57.30 | the_lord | Ronin: what about netselect-apt ??? |
| 18:57.36 | eeyore- | dutche-: define "got no answer" |
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| 18:58.20 | pollo12kg | Where can I download a debian potato image ? |
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| 18:58.40 | dutche- | eeyore-, it gets timeout, the server dont send an answer to my client |
| 18:58.53 | eeyore- | dutche-: don't you then have a networking problem on your hand? |
| 18:58.58 | Ronin | pollo12kg: seriously? |
| 18:59.00 | Manny | Is there an Apt command that will tell me what version of something Apt thinks I'm on? |
| 18:59.14 | eeyore- | dutche-: and not an NFS problem, per se? |
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| 18:59.21 | beardy | Apt does not exist, dpkg does. |
| 18:59.50 | jair | eeyore-: thank you |
| 19:00.16 | eeyore- | jair: no prob |
| 19:00.29 | spahija | vostorga, you are suggesting man interfaces ? |
| 19:00.35 | spahija | :D |
| 19:00.38 | Manny | beardy: I can try that. How do you do it with dpkg? |
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| 19:00.54 | Manny | is it just dkpt -i <package> ? |
| 19:00.59 | Manny | dkpg |
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| 19:01.54 | dutche- | eeyore-, but I have on my LAN a server that is responding to my client, but I cant connect, the server output was : http://channels.debian.net/paste/4387 |
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| 19:02.24 | spahija | vostorga, the thing is that I have 2 cards and one eth0 autostarts while wifi card is not. I have to go and manualy activate it every time as root |
| 19:02.56 | dutche- | eeyore-, I do "mount -t nfs firewall:/arquivos /mnt/pen/" and it gives me "mount: firewall:/arquivos failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" |
| 19:03.00 | pollo12kg | Ronin, yeah is for qemu |
| 19:03.05 | eeyore- | dutche-: all i can tell you is that "connection timeout" is *not* (necessarily) an NFS related problem. it may be other things. it may be /etc/hosts.* file, it may be firewall rules, it may be routers in between, etc. |
| 19:03.22 | eeyore- | dutche-: besides, why are you making your "firewall" serve NFS files? |
| 19:03.42 | dutche- | eeyore-, is a test machine |
| 19:04.05 | eeyore- | dutche-: if you're going to make a "firewall" serve files, you should make explicit allow to enable clients to connect to *all* ports above 1024 (which defeats the purpose of a firewall, btw) |
| 19:04.29 | dutche- | eeyore-, my /etc/exports in the firewall machine is "/arquivos 10.0.0.14(rw,sync)" |
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| 19:04.56 | eeyore- | dutche-: i'm gonna drop off this discussion now, as it veers onto the topic of firewall rules support which i don't like to :-) |
| 19:04.56 | dutche- | eeyore-, the permision denied is something related to firewall or to exports file? |
| 19:05.04 | concept10 | does debian have something close to the red hat kickstart for installs? I know about the net installs |
| 19:05.36 | eeyore- | dutche-: it's a firewall rule preventing your NFS client to connect to your NFS server, is my guess |
| 19:05.37 | widrone | concept10: d-i preseeding maybe, refresh my memory what kickstart does again? |
| 19:06.25 | eeyore- | concept10: i don't use kickstart much since i figured it never worked the way i thought it would. maybe you want "dpkg --get-selections > foo" and "dpkg --set-selections < /path/to/foo" |
| 19:07.07 | concept10 | widrone, kickstart allows you to make a file that specifies what needs to happen during the install, (language, other options, etc) so you dont have to go thru that everytime, just specify it once, and install on many machines using cd, ftp, nfs, etc |
| 19:07.26 | eeyore- | concept10: besides, if you're going to image a bunch of machines, why not simply set up once, dd the partition image to file and dd it back in? or, even use dump/restore to image multiple clients |
| 19:07.36 | eeyore- | concept10: there are lots of ways to image a bunch of machines |
| 19:08.31 | eeyore- | and only one way requires "the redhat way" (e.g., kickstart) |
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| 19:08.49 | concept10 | eeyore-, using dd is an option, I had a client asking about kickstart for redhat, but im attempting to push debian instead |
| 19:08.57 | widrone | concept10: Preseeding the installer may be your cuppa tea. Have a look at the wikipages. wiki.debian.org (I think) Thanks for the refresh on kickstart. |
| 19:09.08 | eeyore- | concept10: i just use the dump/restore + knoppix method :-) |
| 19:09.37 | Manny | Using dpkg to get version information, how do you get the dpkg equ of the apt package name. i.e. python |
| 19:09.41 | concept10 | eeyore-, well, thanks for the insight. maybe i will do that |
| 19:10.02 | krazykit | aaaah. ralink card <3 |
| 19:10.07 | krazykit | no more broadcom. |
| 19:10.24 | concept10 | Manny, of packages installed? |
| 19:10.35 | Manny | concept10yes |
| 19:10.38 | Manny | concept10: yes |
| 19:11.16 | concept10 | Manny, I usually just use dpkg -l | grep partofpackagename |
| 19:11.25 | Bracki | leave |
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| 19:11.36 | eeyore- | concept10: yeah, i had to "set up" 10 machines in cary office (NC, i'm in CA) and so i had one machine shipped to me, set that up exactly the way it should be, config stuff by hand (twinview and things, not covered by redhat installs), set up print queues and stuff (also not part of initial install), then dump the / image to their server in NC across the intranet. their machines arrived a day or two later and they had knoppix CD to do the restore. saved m |
| 19:12.15 | dutche- | eeyore-, so in my server, I run it locally and got this answer, which ports I must open in the firewall to let NFS work? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4388 |
| 19:12.35 | dutche- | eeyore-, the statd port is static |
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| 19:13.15 | eeyore- | dutche-: mmmmm, 111 (portmapper) and all > 1024 |
| 19:13.17 | concept10 | eeyore-, thats a great way to do it. I assume these machines did the same tasks? |
| 19:13.35 | earthian|v2 | how do i create a ramdisk ? |
| 19:13.53 | Manny | concept10, thanks! |
| 19:13.55 | eeyore- | concept10: yeah the important thing is anybody can do the restore if you gave sufficient instructions :-) knoppix is cool tool |
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| 19:16.21 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: your kernel supports ramdisk? |
| 19:16.45 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: if so, just use /dev/ram0 - /dev/ram<n> where <n> is the maximum you specified during kernel compile |
| 19:17.04 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: once allocated, the memory cannot be freed, so don't go hogwild making 32MB ramdisks :-) |
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| 19:18.48 | samahaw | You guys familiar with hylafax? |
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| 19:19.34 | eeyore- | no (hylafax) |
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| 19:19.57 | edju | Is sources.list supposed to have a deb-src uri, or just deb? |
| 19:19.59 | CharminTheMoose | any good html editors out there? |
| 19:20.41 | eeyore- | CharminTheMoose: i use vim |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 19:23.01 | Seb | can I recover deleted files from a fat partition ? |
| 19:23.32 | eeyore- | Seb: yeah. norton undelete or others. |
| 19:23.40 | Seb | eeyore-: i meant from linux :) |
| 19:23.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:23.46 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 19:25.24 | sexyken | Hey guys...2 questions. #1: How do I find out what Kernel Version I have? #2: How do I download kernel source using APT? |
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| 19:25.51 | CharminTheMoose | any other html editors? |
| 19:26.18 | cydork | CharminTheMoose, emacs! |
| 19:26.46 | Seb | sexyken: uname -a |
| 19:26.55 | Seb | sexyken: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 19:27.09 | cahoot | needs a deb-src? |
| 19:27.20 | concept10 | i forgot, how do you view the uuid of your devices? |
| 19:27.31 | eeyore- | concept10: ext3? |
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| 19:27.54 | concept10 | eeyore-, yes, but i need to see swap too.. |
| 19:28.01 | eeyore- | concept10: dumpe2fs |
| 19:28.26 | eeyore- | don't know about swap |
| 19:28.40 | cahoot | sexyken: a line like: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main (in sources.list) if I'm not mistaken |
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| 19:29.53 | edju | that linux-source - no such package - it's kernel-source. |
| 19:29.59 | sexyken | Oh no! |
| 19:30.03 | sexyken | I'm running kernel 2.4x |
| 19:30.07 | concept10 | eeyore-, oh, its blkid |
| 19:30.10 | sexyken | And debian doesn't maintain the source for it |
| 19:30.18 | Manny | so if Debian came with python version 1.31 and you upgraded by Apt-get python2.4 but dpkg now shows you having both python at 1.13 and python2.4 at 2.41, how do you clear up which python apt thinks it has? |
| 19:30.38 | cydork | sexyken, nope coz etch doesn't have support for 2.4. Upgrade |
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| 19:31.25 | concept10 | eeyore-, see that? |
| 19:31.39 | sexyken | cydork: What's the best way to upgrade without issue? |
| 19:31.51 | Manny | I want to install python-imaging for my python2.4 install but there is no python2.4-imaging only python-imaging which complains that my version is 2.1, what should I do... |
| 19:31.55 | eeyore- | concept10: yep |
| 19:31.56 | cydork | sexyken, /msg dpkg 2.4->2.6 |
| 19:32.04 | sexyken | k |
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| 19:34.39 | sexyken | Hrm |
| 19:34.45 | sexyken | cydork: Do you know what arch is a sempron? |
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| 19:35.09 | cydork | sexyken, k7 |
| 19:35.13 | kakarot | sexyken it's k7 |
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| 19:39.39 | eeyore- | i want my ... i want my athlon64 ... i want my ... i want my socket939 ... |
| 19:40.12 | eeyore- | socket-am2 is overrated. money for nothing get another core for free |
| 19:40.19 | jazbo2186 | I added backports.org to my sources.list and did `apt-get update`. Now I want to install the newer kernel (2.6.17 i think it's called). When I do `apt-cache search kernel-image` I don't see anything for the newer kernel. How do I figure out what the package name is? |
| 19:40.22 | eeyore- | o/~ |
| 19:41.24 | sexyken | Is there anyway to tell what arch I run now? |
| 19:41.35 | eeyore- | sexyken: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 19:41.54 | jbaloul | hi guys |
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| 19:42.07 | sexyken | model name : AMD Sempron(tm) 2200+ |
| 19:42.11 | sexyken | So that's a K7? |
| 19:42.15 | goodshit | anyone know hwo to get Linux dev 2.4.27-3-386 to show up 2 processor, because right now its only showing up one. when i do cat /etc/cpuinfo it show em processor 0? I'm using a dell 1750. is this correct? anyone know why it doesn't show up 2 processor/ cuz its a dual xeon 3.0 |
| 19:42.15 | goodshit | <goodshit> doesn't it by default show up 4 processor? |
| 19:42.18 | cydork | jazbo2185, backports have 2.6.16 in repos |
| 19:42.35 | darrend | anyone using apache2 from testing? Tried a clean install and still get this segfault issue. |
| 19:42.44 | jbaloul | 386 shows one 686 shows 2 |
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| 19:42.54 | jazbo2186 | cydork: i guess what I'm asking is how do I search the backport repo using apt-cache search? |
| 19:42.59 | sexyken | Mine isn't a 686 if it's a sempron |
| 19:43.00 | sexyken | Is it? |
| 19:43.03 | eeyore- | goodshit: don't think your kernep is SMP. does "uname -a" show SMP on the output line? |
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| 19:43.14 | darrend | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4389 |
| 19:43.29 | jazbo2186 | cydork: Ahhh nm |
| 19:43.48 | goodshit | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 19:43.52 | goodshit | no |
| 19:44.01 | goodshit | i should be using this.. kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 19:44.05 | goodshit | eeyore?? |
| 19:44.18 | serious_monkey | hye Do you know the easy way to configure printer-soft which use lpr? |
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| 19:44.37 | jbaloul | i am using vpnc to connect to a cisco router on my linux box and i want to share the connection with others on the network (act as a gateway)...enabling nat in /etc/sysctrl does not do the trick in this case...anyone have any tricks up their sleeve |
| 19:45.14 | jbaloul | goodshit, yes 686 or smp should do you good |
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| 19:45.47 | seb- | Best way to put a sid package on etch? |
| 19:46.00 | seb- | libmotif3 only available for sarge and sid!?!?!? |
| 19:46.03 | seb- | what the @!#$#? |
| 19:46.10 | seb- | not etch! wahh |
| 19:46.24 | serious_monkey | man pdkg |
| 19:46.25 | beardy | It's called testing. |
| 19:46.29 | serious_monkey | man dpkg |
| 19:46.42 | cydork | !why is libmotif3 not in testing |
| 19:46.42 | dpkg | libmotif3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libmotif3 |
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| 19:46.59 | seb- | cydork: thanks |
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| 19:47.16 | jazbo2186 | if I want to install 2.6.14-2-686 do I just `apt-get install linux-image-2.6.14-2-686` or is there anything else I need to install? |
| 19:47.22 | Digamma | Heyo |
| 19:47.39 | miro | hi how can i reset my display ? |
| 19:47.52 | serious_monkey | control+alt+backspace |
| 19:47.58 | jazbo2186 | I mean linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
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| 19:48.25 | serious_monkey | 2.6.18.1 is the stabler i have ever seen.... |
| 19:48.30 | serious_monkey | ....on sid |
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| 19:49.17 | seb- | serious_monkey: i see on dpkg man page how to install debs w/ dpkg -i...is that what you mean? |
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| 19:49.29 | jbaloul | so anyone can help with nat vpnc magik ? |
| 19:49.33 | seb- | serious_monkey: just dpkg -i sid packages in testing? |
| 19:49.35 | serious_monkey | yes man pages are precious tools |
| 19:49.43 | miro | how can i reset my display ? |
| 19:49.51 | seb- | serious_monkey: but is that 'safe' to do dpkg -i in testing on a sid package? |
| 19:50.00 | tarzeau | miro: xrefresh ? |
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| 19:50.18 | Feax | how can I have more info of a packet with apt-get ? |
| 19:50.45 | seb- | Feax: apt-cache show <package name> |
| 19:50.47 | qailer | Feax: apt-cache showpkg 'package_name' |
| 19:50.56 | miro | i mean resolotion ! |
| 19:51.01 | qailer | seb-, sry |
| 19:51.26 | Feax | firefox 1.5 is not in apt-get ? |
| 19:51.35 | miro | tarzeau: i mean to set the resolotion ! |
| 19:51.39 | jazbo2186 | Does sarge use lilo by default when sarge is the only OS on the system? |
| 19:51.48 | seb- | Feax: apt-cache search firefox |
| 19:51.55 | serious_monkey | it is to safe to maintain your package up-to-date as sid release |
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| 19:52.12 | qailer | miro: you might wanna configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you are running xorg |
| 19:52.16 | Feax | seb- there is only mozilla-firefox, and it is 1.0 |
| 19:52.19 | serious_monkey | Feax try firefox2.tar.bz2 |
| 19:52.29 | serious_monkey | very stable on debian unstable |
| 19:52.40 | Coweater | Feax: you're running stable |
| 19:52.42 | Feax | I have sarge and I want 1.5 |
| 19:52.46 | Feax | yes |
| 19:52.50 | cydork | Feax, check backports |
| 19:52.53 | seb- | serious_monkey: if i do dpkg -i some-sid-package.deb will it get dependencies? |
| 19:52.55 | valdyn | Feax: http://www.backports.org/ |
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| 19:53.06 | miro | anyone knews how can i set my resolotion ? |
| 19:53.23 | valdyn | !drxx miro |
| 19:53.23 | dpkg | miro: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:53.24 | cydork | dpkg drxx miro |
| 19:53.28 | cydork | !lose me |
| 19:53.29 | dpkg | cydork: You Lose. |
| 19:53.35 | miro | Feax: im running sarge |
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| 19:53.49 | serious_monkey | if you have unresolved dependencies package did not work |
| 19:54.05 | Ronin | then do the first one miro xfree86 |
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| 19:54.09 | serious_monkey | vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:54.24 | serious_monkey | vim is the best textEditor |
| 19:54.27 | Arron | how do i compile a single module with a new .c file for a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:54.48 | cydork | serious_monkey, nope that's not the debian way.. |
| 19:55.10 | serious_monkey | debian support well gcc compil |
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| 19:59.15 | jazbo2186 | is it possible to apt-cache search only packages from a certain repository? |
| 19:59.28 | h3sp4wn | cydork: How using the debian way can extra options be added e.g Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" (I just use the debian way - add my options manually then regenerate the md5) but I would be interested to know the debian way |
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| 20:00.19 | h7-25 | hello, i have a line alias wlan0 prism2_usb in my /etc/modules.conf (or to be precise in /etc/modutils/wlan) but when trying to modprobe wlan0 i get a FATAL: Module wlan0 not found. error but modprobe'ing prism2_usb works like charm - any ideas what could cause this? |
| 20:00.38 | serious_monkey | yes comment your /etc/apt-get/source.list in circonstance |
| 20:00.47 | serious_monkey | perl script can help you |
| 20:01.09 | cydork | h3sp4wn, for that you can use use editor. but not for resolution :) |
| 20:02.01 | h3sp4wn | cydork: sound (just didn't release whether I was missing something that I could use) |
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| 20:02.25 | cydork | h3sp4wn, but when people edit that file for something like that they come here asking how to fix md5 prob. :) |
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| 20:03.53 | d0uglas | when you got flash advertisements rolling in background tabs in firefox, do they still put the same load on the cpu or does firefox somehow get them to chill out until they are active again? .. same question but for video when it's minimized or not on the same virtual desktop? |
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| 20:05.34 | mackss | When I do ssh -D 1080 user@server after connecting it says "bind: Address already in use" followed by my normal login display. What does this mean? |
| 20:05.51 | jazbo2186 | d0uglas: #firefox? |
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| 20:05.54 | mackss | if someone could answer that I would be greatful. Thanks |
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| 20:06.54 | d0uglas | jaz: i was phrasing it in the context of firefox but this isn't exactly firefox specific as i'm talking about cpu management of x on things that aren't visible and necessary |
| 20:06.58 | d0uglas | or perhaps the video card gets to take a break |
| 20:07.09 | d0uglas | but i appreciate the redirect |
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| 20:07.13 | macksss | sorry i am back |
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| 20:08.02 | obseleron | hi guys |
| 20:08.14 | obseleron | are we still on track for december? |
| 20:08.33 | d0uglas | obseleron: for what, yo? |
| 20:08.34 | obseleron | I would also like to ask if currently the debian binaries are compiled using DT_GNU_HASH please |
| 20:08.50 | obseleron | d0uglas: debian stable release! |
| 20:09.04 | cydork | tarzeau, what was the link for etch release bugs? |
| 20:09.14 | d0uglas | stable? we don't need no stinkin' stability ;) |
| 20:09.24 | obseleron | about DT_GNU_HASH: using it in the next stable |
| 20:09.31 | d0uglas | unless you're a bandit reseller in which case you could just rename things |
| 20:09.37 | tarzeau | cydork: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 20:09.42 | obseleron | yeah i know about the bug page |
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| 20:10.02 | spamyboy | Pleas anyone click on this link (afiliat): http://www.tufat.com/aff.php?id=3138 (i need more 40 click to purcha one script) Thank you |
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| 20:10.30 | vostorga | that boy is so spammy |
| 20:10.33 | cydork | tarzeau, thanks |
| 20:10.46 | obseleron | tarzeau: aint that not updated though |
| 20:11.14 | tarzeau | obseleron: it's up to date |
| 20:11.21 | obseleron | hmm week 44, now we are in week 44 ? |
| 20:11.24 | obseleron | ok tarzeau thanks |
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| 20:11.58 | cydork | tarzeau, well it's down to 200 :P |
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| 20:12.07 | beardy | !ops spamyboy spammer |
| 20:12.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: beardy complains about: spamyboy spammer |
| 20:12.17 | obseleron | can't wait to check out the new stable |
| 20:12.31 | obseleron | i do not enjoy using testing in a production environment |
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| 20:14.13 | cr3 | is there a way to temporarily disable the ctrl-alt-f1 key binding so that I can send it to the window of a program? |
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| 20:16.22 | peterS | cr3: probably, with xmodmap. note 'xmodmap -pke | grep F1' |
| 20:16.42 | jazbo2186 | d0uglas: It sure seems to me like having multiple background flash tabs eats up the cpu... :( |
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| 20:19.52 | yahalom | can someone tell me where i can find the fedora equivalent of etc/sysconfig/network in debian? |
| 20:20.17 | yahalom | i want to change the NETWORKING_IPV6= |
| 20:20.23 | yahalom | cant find it |
| 20:20.56 | serious_monkey | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:21.22 | serious_monkey | or /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:22.03 | jazbo2186 | How would I tell if I'm using lilo or grub? (I should know but somehow I dont) |
| 20:22.04 | poopybutt | i tried compiz, how come i get this error? i am using kde so i dont think i should be getting this http://rafb.net/paste/results/dx5faQ10.html |
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| 20:23.25 | Seb | is there an X app to mesure sizes in pixels ? |
| 20:23.46 | Kato | jazbo2185: reboot and watch the screen :) |
| 20:23.52 | Seb | i wanna create icons for a panel bar i'm running, and would like to know what size I should make them so they're not stretched/shrunk by the panel application |
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| 20:24.15 | Seb | i'm thinking there's gotta be something like an X ruler or something |
| 20:24.37 | jazbo2186 | Okay I think I was using grub but then I did `apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-1-686` and it seems to be wanting me to setup lilo now. Is this gonna screw me up? (sarge is only os on the comp) |
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| 20:24.52 | cydork | !info kruler |
| 20:24.57 | dpkg | kruler: (a screen ruler and color measurement tool for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 20:25.27 | PumpkinPie | how do I create a 1 gig file using DD ? |
| 20:26.00 | zinx | PumpkinPie: with holes or without? |
| 20:26.22 | PumpkinPie | zinx: what do you mean with holes? |
| 20:26.34 | PumpkinPie | zinx: probably without holes |
| 20:26.37 | sandman | What's the devnode I should direct applications to use in order ot take advantage of dmix+ALSA? |
| 20:26.40 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.55 | zinx | PumpkinPie: dd from /dev/zero, and calculate bs and count such that bs*count is 1GB |
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| 20:27.10 | h3sp4wn | sandman: /dev/audio |
| 20:27.20 | cahoot | sandman: noe doesn't name devices when using alsa |
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| 20:27.30 | mc__ | hi guys,im running a legacy 32-bit oss application on amd64,how to get the sound working? artsdsp and aoss did not work for me |
| 20:27.56 | PumpkinPie | zinx: what do you mean holes ? |
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| 20:28.09 | zinx | PumpkinPie: holes are zero blocks that are not allocated on the disk |
| 20:28.47 | Seb | cydork: heh, i'd like it if I could avoid pulling down all the kde deps :> |
| 20:28.47 | PumpkinPie | zinx: how can anything not be allocated on the disk? I think Im missing something |
| 20:29.08 | cydork | Seb, dont ask me how i knew that too :P |
| 20:29.38 | Seb | cydork: hah |
| 20:29.53 | zinx | PumpkinPie: easily? |
| 20:30.10 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 20:30.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 20:30.14 | valdyn | sandman: ^^^ |
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| 20:31.17 | PumpkinPie | zinx: wtf |
| 20:31.24 | PumpkinPie | zinx: you suck |
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| 20:35.09 | valdyn | mc__: uname -r |
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| 20:36.00 | mc__ | valdyn: 2.6.17-10-generic |
| 20:36.17 | valdyn | mc__: doesnt look like a debian kernel |
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| 20:36.41 | h3sp4wn | mc__: #ubuntu |
| 20:37.01 | mc__ | that problem is not really ubuntu specific |
| 20:37.12 | mahognyy | upgrading to -testing from -stable, what will get upgraded, packages, anything else? |
| 20:37.14 | sandman | Which devnode should I use for microphone input? |
| 20:37.23 | valdyn | mc__: that oss application can just play back by itself, provided either your sound driver is oss or the snd-pcm-oss module is loaded when your driver is alsa |
| 20:37.32 | valdyn | sandman: alsa doesnt use device nodes |
| 20:37.35 | mc__ | valdyn: i loaded that module |
| 20:37.38 | valdyn | sandman: if you are using oss /dev/dsp |
| 20:37.59 | mc__ | valdyn: but nnow the application says: |
| 20:38.00 | mc__ | ------- sound initialization ------- |
| 20:38.00 | mc__ | /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 20:38.00 | mc__ | Could not mmap /dev/dsp |
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| 20:38.01 | h3sp4wn | alsa uses the device nodes in /dev/snd/* for something |
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| 20:38.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's there! GNUSTEP 1.0, get it now, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 20:38.23 | cydork | mc__, please ask #ubuntu |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: doesnt mean that apps have any business using device odes |
| 20:38.31 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: doesnt mean that apps have any business using device nodes |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | mmm .. odes |
| 20:38.54 | mc__ | cydork: alright,still the problem isnt ubuntu specific... |
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| 20:39.07 | jazbo2186 | woot! Thanks to whoever recommended getting backported kernel to fix my 4 GB usb flash drive problems! |
| 20:39.07 | h3sp4wn | But it means alsa uses them |
| 20:39.18 | valdyn | mc__: 'play /usr/share/sounds/*.wav |
| 20:39.27 | cydork | mc__, well i say it is. till you are using it |
| 20:39.31 | jazbo2186 | And my wireless works better now too! |
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| 20:40.03 | mc__ | cydork: im using mepis ,etch and ubuntu,same problem on all boxes |
| 20:40.10 | mc__ | valdyn: that does work |
| 20:40.25 | valdyn | mc__: which app is being broken? |
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| 20:40.38 | mc__ | valdyn: enemy territory |
| 20:40.59 | valdyn | mc__: look into a et support forum |
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| 20:41.27 | h3sp4wn | mc__: kill arts or esd or whatever sound server you probably have running |
| 20:41.33 | mc__ | valdyn: did,the solutions there dont work either,also looked into the ubuntu forum,they all suggest using linux32 |
| 20:41.44 | mc__ | h3sp4wn: nope,did that already |
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| 20:42.28 | h3sp4wn | mc__: load it through aoss |
| 20:43.16 | valdyn | mc__: it's still an ET - specific problem, obviously |
| 20:43.27 | mc__ | h3sp4wn: Could not mmap /dev/dsp |
| 20:43.50 | valdyn | aoss in this context makes no sense at all |
| 20:44.04 | valdyn | mc__: your ET is set to use oss, is it? |
| 20:44.05 | h3sp4wn | why not force it through alsa |
| 20:44.09 | cokeslut | good |
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| 20:44.23 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: aoss will preload a 64-bit library, thats futile for a 32-bit ET |
| 20:44.24 | mc__ | valdyn: it is,can that be changed? |
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| 20:44.36 | valdyn | mc__: no idea |
| 20:44.55 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: Never realised it was on 64 bit |
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| 20:46.03 | Miesco | Hi, my postfix server connects but it does not send any data |
| 20:46.17 | g3brown | Any command line traceroute utils for Sarge that have more function than the standard traceroute? Looking for something with pingplotter type functionality. |
| 20:46.38 | amphi | g3brown: mtr perhaps |
| 20:47.37 | Miesco | How can I debug this? |
| 20:47.44 | h3sp4wn | g3brown: lft is quite a useful app |
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| 20:50.44 | roe_ | anyone know how long ago debian admin decided to restructure amavis-new? |
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| 20:51.40 | g3brown | amphi: mtr is exactly what I was looking for. heh mtr-tiny was already on my computer too. duh. |
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| 20:52.38 | vin` | roe_: nothing in the changelog? |
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| 20:52.57 | rumpl | Is there a way to connect a laptop on a LAN over a USB port, I recently got a laptop that doesn't have an ethernet card, but has 2 USB ports, so I was wandering if there was a way to connect it on the net |
| 20:53.14 | DogWater | Anyone know when there will be a new release of debian available? the current version doesnt support hardly any of the NICs that current Dell servers come with |
| 20:54.14 | per | i installed debian, and i am using a danish keyboard layout, but it seems like debian doesnt detect it when i'm pressing alt+gr. so i cant type a lot of important characters such as the AT sign, backslash and so on... does anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 20:54.48 | vin` | DogWater: you could try sarge with a newer kernel, use testing or wait another month or so. |
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| 20:59.57 | per | anyone? |
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| 21:01.24 | pitillo | per, did you try to change your KB type to 105 keys instead of 104 keys? |
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| 21:01.42 | per | wait, i think it works now |
| 21:01.43 | per | weird |
| 21:01.51 | per | thanks anyway :\ |
| 21:02.06 | per | btw, it has always been 105 keys :) |
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| 21:06.28 | odla | i am curious if etch is stable enough to run on a machine that i need to be quite stable, not server stable but stable. i've usually just run sid in the so i'm not sure where in the development etch really is |
| 21:06.51 | blondie | odla: I haven't had any problems with it |
| 21:07.25 | Kato | odla: works for me |
| 21:07.33 | skx | odla: Not if you need xen .. |
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| 21:07.56 | skx | really depends why stable isn't good enough for you? |
| 21:08.32 | enouf | misses cokeslut tremendously |
| 21:08.55 | flamesrock | how do I make a partitiuon writeable by all regular users? |
| 21:08.55 | odla | skx: sarge isn't really good enough cause the software is pretty old |
| 21:09.00 | flamesrock | a reiserfs one |
| 21:09.18 | odla | i'll need to run vmware on top of debian cause there are some windows programs i must run for my master's |
| 21:09.24 | skx | odla: Old but still useful. I have it installed happily on 100+ machines. Sure apache2 is old, but it works and I don't *need* anything newer. |
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| 21:09.55 | roe_ | I needed etch to get support for my sata chipset |
| 21:10.23 | odla | skx: i don't get any hardware benefits from using etch just some newer software...besides etch will be released in a few months? |
| 21:10.28 | odla | or when it's ready :D |
| 21:10.35 | skx | if its just a driver issue then a backported kernel is way less riskier than etch usage. still I guess it is your choice stability + testing + support vs. newer software |
| 21:11.07 | odla | skx: the only thing i'd need is xorg |
| 21:11.26 | odla | skx: how is sarge with vmware? |
| 21:11.41 | AnyFile | Which is the best program to paly mpg file and to listen to Real audio stream with a very low power pc? I am now using xine with the extra libraries from MPlayer, but it is too much slow |
| 21:11.49 | skx | odla: worked fine the last time I tried the vmware-player, but I'm a xen user so I've not tried it for long, or recently |
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| 21:12.18 | odla | skx: is xen difficult to set up? i don't care what i use..i just need to run windows xp to use arceditor |
| 21:12.21 | roe_ | AnyFile: did you try using straight mplayer? |
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| 21:12.45 | skx | odla: xen is .. mostly easy. but you can only run xp on it if you have virtualisation support on your hardware. So most likely it won't work for you. |
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| 21:12.56 | AnyFile | I will try, roe. thanks |
| 21:12.56 | qailer | flamesrock: take a look at chmod |
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| 21:12.57 | skx | vmware/qemu are both good with xp |
| 21:13.32 | chius | hello...I have a problem with my computer |
| 21:13.35 | chius | and printer |
| 21:13.46 | chius | I use debian and I am installing just now everything |
| 21:14.16 | chius | but I didnt have any experience with printers and so on..... I have a laserjet HP with a jetdirect network card |
| 21:14.17 | flamesrock | qailer: I tried chmod +x, didn't work |
| 21:14.40 | chius | how can I install it and how can I have a printer manager in my xfce desktop |
| 21:15.14 | qailer | flamesrock: chmod +x will just make it executable, it won't change the ownership, you'll have to run something like chmod 700 |
| 21:15.24 | qailer | (correct me) |
| 21:15.42 | odla | skx: is qemu relatively straightforward to set up? |
| 21:15.54 | flamesrock | chmod 700 doesn't work either :( |
| 21:15.55 | skx | odla: yes. |
| 21:15.56 | abrotman | chius: it's a network printer |
| 21:16.06 | chius | yes |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | use the cups system to setup a network printer |
| 21:16.38 | flamesrock | Here's the line from fstab: /dev/hdb3 /mnt/hdb3 reiserfs noauto,users,exec,rw 0 0 |
| 21:16.39 | chius | ok...the cups package is???? apt-get install ???? |
| 21:16.49 | flamesrock | it makes sense doesn't it? |
| 21:16.50 | abrotman | apt-cache search ups |
| 21:16.53 | abrotman | cups |
| 21:16.58 | chius | ok |
| 21:17.08 | qailer | flamesrock: you're running chmod 700 /mnt/hdb3 right? |
| 21:17.13 | flamesrock | yup |
| 21:17.49 | odla | skx: i think goggling qemu and debian i got a how-to from you ;) |
| 21:17.50 | flamesrock | it says permission denied |
| 21:18.06 | qailer | flamesrock: are you root? |
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| 21:18.13 | flamesrock | nope |
| 21:18.17 | skx | odla: ha! Yeah there are a few guides out there. mine was good at the time, but it might be a little dated now. I'd look for a newer one ;) |
| 21:18.19 | odla | skx: is qemu as quick as vmware? |
| 21:18.19 | flamesrock | I want to write to it as a regular user |
| 21:18.43 | IRCMonkey | help |
| 21:18.47 | qailer | flamesrock: you must be root to add write ownership for regular users |
| 21:18.59 | skx | odla: "depends". if you use the kernel module for acceleration it gets faster than normal, but it really depends on the spec of your host, and what you're running. I used it happily without acceleration for a few months for windows 2000 |
| 21:19.14 | flamesrock | well when I chmod 700 I'm root |
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| 21:19.28 | flamesrock | when I try to write a directory afterwards it fails |
| 21:19.36 | flamesrock | as a regular user |
| 21:19.58 | qailer | flamesrock: do 777, sry |
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| 21:20.24 | odla | skx: and with qemu as with vmware...you can give the guest OS an unspecified amount of space that it can use that is essential still available to debian? |
| 21:20.26 | flamesrock | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh works! |
| 21:20.35 | flamesrock | A lotus for you, qailer |
| 21:20.39 | chius | i downloaded the gnome-cups-manager |
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| 21:20.49 | skx | odla: yes. you can create a "sparse" image file which will expand as neeeded. |
| 21:20.52 | chius | but I dont know how to open it usin xfce |
| 21:20.55 | qailer | flamesrock: embarassing mixing up chmod :), good luck |
| 21:21.03 | odla | skx: thanks for the help |
| 21:21.25 | skx | odla: no worries |
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| 21:21.47 | flamesrock | haha its all good |
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| 21:22.23 | PDani__ | how can i check that which process uses a given port? |
| 21:22.49 | skx | PDani__: apt-get install lsof && lsof -i :80 (or whatever port number you care about) |
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| 21:23.26 | g3brown | I installed BackupPC with apt-get. I need to login to the system as the backuppc user it create to create ssh keys. It doesn't ever give you a password. I can change the passwd for the linux user but I was concerned this would break something else. |
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| 21:23.56 | itchi | I have an Realtek RTL8139/810x Network card, which module should i to load? |
| 21:23.58 | kijjaz | me using debian etch. installed Audacity & Lame (from www.debian-multimedia.org repository) and wants to add MP3 encoder library. where should i find the library? |
| 21:24.19 | kijjaz | or should i apt-get install other lame packages? |
| 21:24.29 | vulture | c |
| 21:24.37 | amphi | itchi: 8139too should work I think |
| 21:24.45 | Kato | itchi: 8139too |
| 21:24.46 | itchi | amphi: Thanks, gona try |
| 21:24.51 | IRCMonkey | help |
| 21:25.01 | odla | skx: one more question...with qemu i'll be able to get my network devices to work correctly? |
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| 21:25.25 | skx | odla: yes. there are a lot of networking options, and all of them are documented nicely |
| 21:25.32 | odla | skx: great |
| 21:25.35 | kijjaz | or should i install liblame0 ? |
| 21:26.09 | d0uglas | what does the wa value mean in top? |
| 21:26.32 | skx | odla: I use this to start my win2k install, just for reference: |
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| 21:26.35 | skx | -serial "/dev/ttyS0" |
| 21:26.43 | skx | modprobe tap; qemu -cdrom /home/vm/win2k.iso -hda /home/vm/${USER}.img -boot c -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=tap0,script=/home/vm/qemu-ifup -localtime -serial "/dev/ttyS0" |
| 21:26.46 | skx | even |
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| 21:27.04 | ralf-x | I have a debian machine I just installed apache2 on. I can't get my first vhost to work on it though |
| 21:27.28 | ralf-x | when hitting the vhost, it appears to be serving up the default web site that comes with the apache package |
| 21:27.34 | ralf-x | I have no idea how to troubleshoot this |
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| 21:27.52 | ralf-x | any suggestions? |
| 21:28.10 | skx | ralf-x: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 21:28.45 | IRCMonkey | help |
| 21:28.58 | orchid | IRCMonkey: be more specific |
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| 21:29.15 | IRCMonkey | Man I a have been having a hell of a time. This is my first time on IRC and just to get here has been a major hassle. I've got Debian 31r08-i386 installed on my PC and I got all the way to where it says |
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| 21:29.28 | itchi | How can i know if it's been loaded and that the network card should work? I only get '8139too Fast Ethernet version:x'. Dmesg not report somethings. ifconfig -a not show me the network card. The setup have fail just before to get the packages. Like the network not want |
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| 21:30.00 | IRCMonkey | orchid:I am actually installing it and login for the first time |
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| 21:30.34 | orchid | IRCMonkey: ok cool, so you now need to know how to do what exactly? |
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| 21:30.44 | PDani__ | skx: thx |
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| 21:31.00 | gimmulf | Hi, is there any mail-server which is easy to use/configure? Need to use it for imap |
| 21:31.04 | IRCMonkey | orchid: what do enter? |
| 21:31.09 | skx | gimmulf: dovecot? |
| 21:31.19 | gimmulf | skx: will check it out |
| 21:31.29 | itchi | Or maybe, can i get it with my Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card? |
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| 21:32.35 | amphi | itchi: that card is supported; the driver has a site on sourceforge I believe |
| 21:32.40 | ralf-x | I checked out that document. it doesn't bring alot to the table |
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| 21:32.59 | ralf-x | I should also mention that I've done this on dozens of debian machines before and it's always Just Worked |
| 21:33.10 | skx | ralf-x: it does show a working setup for multiple virtual hosts. The obvious place to start looking is the server logs, which hosts are being hit? |
| 21:33.15 | ralf-x | so I don't see why this won't work |
| 21:33.16 | amphi | itchi: you could try 8139cp perhaps for your wired nic |
| 21:33.26 | itchi | amphi: Gona try it |
| 21:33.28 | poopybutt | i know there is no "best program" but im interested in what program a couple people prefer for torrents |
| 21:33.28 | ralf-x | skx: per the server logs, it hits the default location |
| 21:33.32 | skx | ralf-x: make sure dns is pointing where you think it should, so that hostnames are being sent if you're using vhosting. |
| 21:33.33 | IRCMonkey | orchid: are you still with me? |
| 21:33.37 | ralf-x | and that's what I'm asking how to troubleshoot |
| 21:33.38 | orchid | IRCMonkey: I'm not sure I understand. You seem to have gotten Debian installed, but I do not know what you want to do next? |
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| 21:33.48 | ralf-x | skx: yep. that has been confirmed |
| 21:33.50 | skx | ralf-x: in that case make sure that you're using the same hostnames, and they resolve on the server + client correctly |
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| 21:34.05 | PerfDave | Gah, why does everything go wrong at the same time? Dealing with a corrupt Windows desktop, I copy some recovered .pst files to my Debian box to extract the e-mail, then the hard disk in the Debian box dies. |
| 21:34.05 | ralf-x | will it need to resolve on the server as well? |
| 21:34.18 | amphi | poopybutt: rtorrent seems to work well |
| 21:34.25 | itchi | amphi: I should at least see it with ifconfig -a? |
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| 21:34.31 | amphi | itchi: yes |
| 21:34.34 | skx | ralf-x: of course it will! Otherwise "ServerName foo.com" / "ServerAlias www.foo.com" will not resolve, so the incoming requests will fall back to the first availalbe host! |
| 21:34.36 | itchi | amphi: Aaai |
| 21:34.43 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 21:34.43 | itchi | amphi: I not see it :-/ |
| 21:34.48 | skx | ralf-x: if they don't resolve on the host add them to /etc/hosts and reload apache. |
| 21:34.59 | ralf-x | skx: well, I *do* have it in /etc/hosts |
| 21:35.02 | skx | :) |
| 21:35.05 | amphi | itchi: what does lspci say about the card? |
| 21:35.05 | orchid | IRCMonkey: yes still with you :) |
| 21:35.10 | ralf-x | it is a new record, so a simple 'host web1.foo.com' will fail at this point |
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| 21:35.15 | skx | ralf-x: does "lynx" work on the server itself? |
| 21:35.23 | itchi | amphi: It's an brand new toplap, gona move to it. I have not network man! ;-) |
| 21:35.24 | ralf-x | ah. let me try that |
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| 21:35.44 | ralf-x | no |
| 21:35.57 | skx | ralf-x: still the default page? |
| 21:36.01 | amphi | itchi: 'toplap', eh? ;) too new to be on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org? |
| 21:36.03 | ralf-x | skx: correct |
| 21:36.21 | orchid | PerfDave: trouble comes in 3's, you listed only 2 |
| 21:36.34 | skx | ralf-x: and the virtual hosts are definitely enabled? If you run "telnet localhost" "GET / HTTP/1.1\nHost: your.vhost.name\n\n" - you still see the same error? |
| 21:36.38 | ralf-x | skx: actually, let me correct that. I put a 'index.html' in my web root |
| 21:36.44 | ralf-x | for the vhost |
| 21:36.55 | ralf-x | and when I hit http://web1.foo.com/index.html I get a 404 |
| 21:37.07 | skx | look in the server error logs - 404s should be logged there |
| 21:37.09 | PerfDave | orchid: It died just before the monthly backup script ran. First Monday of the month, at midnight. |
| 21:37.15 | ralf-x | skx: they are |
| 21:37.24 | orchid | PerfDave: :( |
| 21:37.25 | ralf-x | [Mon Nov 06 16:35:36 2006] [error] [client 64.57.243.38] File does not exist: /var/www/index.html |
| 21:37.31 | ralf-x | which indicates it's using the default host |
| 21:37.36 | skx | ralf-x: and is this being logged in the virtual host, or in the root server? |
| 21:37.42 | ralf-x | root server |
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| 21:37.59 | skx | ralf-x: :( Take a look at /var/log/apache2/error.log to see if it is complaining about the vhost setup? |
| 21:38.03 | itchi | amphi: 0000:05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co. Ltd: Unknow device :-( |
| 21:38.52 | amphi | itchi: ah :( so not 8139 by the look of it; anything on those laptop sites? |
| 21:39.07 | itchi | amphi: No :-/ |
| 21:39.11 | ralf-x | skx: I'll double check |
| 21:39.18 | itchi | amphi: Otherwise it was already solved ;-) |
| 21:39.24 | skx | ralf-x: if not paste your configuration file into a pastbin and share the link? |
| 21:39.47 | itchi | amphi: There are many stuff that are 'Unknow device'. I guess i have sad changes?? |
| 21:40.02 | ralf-x | skx: zero errors |
| 21:40.08 | ralf-x | yes let me paste the config now |
| 21:40.15 | skx | ralf-x: not here! |
| 21:40.22 | ralf-x | lol I know :) |
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| 21:40.49 | amphi | itchi: you could try lspci -n and try googling the vendor:device id pairs |
| 21:41.10 | x_link | Hi amphi ! |
| 21:41.41 | ralf-x | http://pastebin.com/818669 |
| 21:41.43 | itchi | amphi: Yup, i have many to google man, looks like there are only 2 things without 'unknow device' :-/ Arg sad, and my that wanted to trash that win32 |
| 21:42.07 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 21:42.07 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:42.16 | valdyn | itchi: feed lspci -n there ^^ |
| 21:42.31 | valdyn | itchi: might still need a newer kernel though |
| 21:42.32 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, yeah, wait, maybe, to tell it's sarge i try right now. I need to test with that other installer?? |
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| 21:42.54 | itchi | valdyn: Thanks gona look it |
| 21:43.19 | skx | ralf-x: shame that looks fine. Do you have a "NameVirtualHost *" somewhere in your apache config? And is that file in /etc/apache2/conf/sites-enabled ? |
| 21:43.26 | ralf-x | skx: it's worth mentioning that everything else on the debian configuration is default |
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| 21:43.45 | skx | ralf-x: :) |
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| 21:44.22 | ralf-x | skx: yes, it's in sites-enabled |
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| 21:44.29 | itchi | valdyn: Hhhmm, how can i paste somethings if i have no network up and running? Looks like only IEEE 1394 are working |
| 21:44.32 | ralf-x | also, I do have NameVirtualHost * in 000-default |
| 21:44.39 | ralf-x | (debian puts it there out of the box) |
| 21:44.48 | itchi | Or via USB ssh? |
| 21:44.59 | enouf | itchi: use #flood or gpm .. or /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 21:45.16 | skx | ralf-x: I'm surpised I had to add that to /etc/apache2/conf.d/steve.conf - or somewhere. |
| 21:45.19 | itchi | enouf: Without x is not a problem, without network, that is |
| 21:45.21 | enouf | itchi: run update-pciids maybe |
| 21:45.32 | skx | ralf-x: I'm assuming that your sitename is going to sort *after* 000-default? |
| 21:45.40 | enouf | itchi: use / join #flood then |
| 21:45.57 | ralf-x | skx: should, yes! |
| 21:46.35 | itchi | enouf: Yup, but i can not paste lol, i have no network on it. Network card is not yet working right now |
| 21:46.38 | skx | ralf-x: If you're using a preforking version it might be worth running "/etc/init.d/apache restart" rather than reload - and making sure you're not hitting a browser cache too |
| 21:46.57 | skx | ralf-x: although thats probably not a caching result if lynx on the localhost fails :S |
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| 21:47.03 | enouf | itchi: oh .. it's another box you refer to .. |
| 21:47.05 | giacus | hello |
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| 21:47.17 | ralf-x | :( |
| 21:47.32 | giacus | sorry maybe is ot, can anyone tell me about best resorces online to learn C ? |
| 21:48.01 | itchi | ow ow ow, i have an old pcmcia RTL card. Can i use that? I'm without base system. So apt-forget it. Gona try it |
| 21:48.08 | orchid | giacus: ##c check the topic |
| 21:48.14 | nowec | Is it possible to set all rights for a group in a folder, to the same rights as the owner has, with one command? |
| 21:48.25 | giacus | thanks |
| 21:48.26 | skx | ralf-x: I'm gonna give up now. I can't think of anything obvious to suggest :( |
| 21:48.51 | ralf-x | skx: I did kill apache totally |
| 21:48.57 | itchi | Can i continue the base system? I'm normally in the 'Edit source.list', have switched to alt+x. I need to reboot to plug that card |
| 21:49.40 | skx | ralf-x: it seems like you have everything right. default setup so that sites-enabled.d/ is being used, an enabled site, and the right directives. from what you've said I can't see anything new to suggest, although I'm annoyed that it'll probably be something really obvious once you do get it fixed! |
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| 21:49.57 | enouf | itchi: not sure.. haven't had to do that yet .. BTW .. are you using expert26 .. or linux26 for the install? |
| 21:50.05 | itchi | Or maybe should i not reboot right now? Like the base is not completely installed?? Euhm |
| 21:50.16 | itchi | enouf: linux26 |
| 21:50.17 | Heston | what would be an easy way to get the entire contents of an ftp directory? |
| 21:50.18 | ralf-x | skx: yea, what's stupid is I've done this dozens of times on this same setup |
| 21:50.23 | enouf | itchi: finish the installation then .. |
| 21:50.24 | ralf-x | this one is just being a PITA |
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| 21:50.39 | itchi | enouf: lol, i can not, i need to download the packages, but the network card ... |
| 21:51.05 | itchi | enouf: I not know if i reboot, if i can get these /base/ install back again. |
| 21:51.07 | enouf | itchi: as soon as you get networking .. remember to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:51.22 | enouf | itchi: whatever .. start again :-) |
| 21:51.37 | krazykit | ... i hate compaq |
| 21:51.54 | itchi | enouf: Yup, gona see how it goes. First time here that it failed during the install |
| 21:51.55 | enouf | comcrap\\poop |
| 21:52.00 | itchi | krazykit: It's an Toshiba |
| 21:52.07 | krazykit | not yours. |
| 21:52.08 | krazykit | mine. |
| 21:52.13 | enouf | hehe |
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| 21:52.14 | krazykit | i hate mine. |
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| 21:52.24 | itchi | Btw someone Experience with an Toshiba Satellite A110-178 ? |
| 21:52.26 | krazykit | i can't swap my wireless minipci card. it won't boot with a different one. |
| 21:53.01 | itchi | ... or have heard things about it? |
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| 21:53.23 | wilman | my 5.1 set is working fine but i want my mp3/oggs on 5.1 speakers not my 2 front speakers. any idea how to duplex the sound? |
| 21:53.49 | itchi | That's crap without network man |
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| 21:57.30 | valdyn | wilman: your soundcard might have a switch for that |
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| 21:57.44 | valdyn | wilman: mine does and that is cheap on board via |
| 21:57.45 | enouf | itchi: check tuxmobil.org .. and /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 21:58.03 | valdyn | wilman: to be seen in alsamixer |
| 21:58.45 | ToxicSun | anybody know why totem works and XMMS doesnt for me |
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| 21:58.56 | ToxicSun | relatively new install... never had XMMS work on this install |
| 21:59.18 | si|ent | hi guys, anyone able to help me with detecting SCSI LUNS >7 on boot in woody? |
| 21:59.25 | valdyn | ToxicSun: you're getting an error message? |
| 21:59.28 | itchi | enouf: Okay, gona look there, man i not find my old pcmcia card, crap |
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| 21:59.40 | ToxicSun | my bad, i was blocking the soundcard with another app :) |
| 21:59.53 | enouf | ToxicSun: check the DE control center settings |
| 21:59.58 | ralf-x | ahh-ha! |
| 22:00.03 | ralf-x | skx: got it |
| 22:00.05 | ToxicSun | i got the same error message in vector linux when no other program was running tohugh |
| 22:00.14 | ralf-x | skx: my vhost was the same name as the hostname of the machine |
| 22:00.26 | ralf-x | skx: apparently you can't do that. bleh. |
| 22:00.50 | itchi | enouf: I have see an message there in dmesg that i have an bug bios and should use 'nobiospnp' |
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| 22:01.29 | itchi | enouf: Linux on laptop not have an item for my model. -> Todo |
| 22:01.48 | enouf | si|ent: whas up .. issues with telling the root device name in /etc/fstab? .. why not use Sarge? |
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| 22:02.36 | si|ent | I can't use Sarge at present, the product our company develops in built around woody... project is underway to upgrade... |
| 22:03.09 | jazbo2186 | When try to install linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 from backports.org on one of my sarge machines I get http://channels.debian.net/paste/4390. what can i do to get this to work? |
| 22:03.10 | itchi | enouf: Or should i need to use that newer installer? What's the name of it? |
| 22:03.12 | si|ent | basically I have a hp MSA1000 fibre attached to a HP DL360, qla2300 module is loaded and detects the fibre card |
| 22:03.23 | secher | Ok, this is just odd. I've just finally slogged my way through installing horde3 on Sid. I've got half a page of noted to send to the package maintainers, some of which I think are bugs, others are just notes that ought to be included in the documentation for Debian. I hit the horde3 site, and it routes me to packages.debian.org/horde3. No notice, nothing, enter my userid and pw, hit enter and /boom/ debian.org pops up. D |
| 22:03.23 | secher | oes /anyone/ have any idea what is happening? |
| 22:03.27 | itchi | enouf: It's an brand new laptop |
| 22:03.51 | si|ent | unfortuanlt /proc/scsi/scsi is blank, unless i "rescan-scsi-bus.sh -w -l" |
| 22:04.12 | itchi | Okay, lapi come back to the same screen after reboot |
| 22:05.01 | si|ent | once run i can see /dev/sda and dev/sda (2 x 1.6T RAID5 arrays on the shelf) and all is good. driving me nuts |
| 22:06.11 | secher | Ok, this is just odd. I've just finally slogged my way through installing horde3 on Sid, with notes for the maintainers. I hit the site 'localhost/horde3/login.php' and it routes me to packages.debian.org/unstable/web/horde3. any idea what's up? Sorry for the long post last time. |
| 22:06.51 | secher | I'm just starting to use xchat instead of epic4,and I've not gotten used to the 'end your post here' cutoff of epic4 |
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| 22:07.48 | si|ent | anyone help in detecting SCSI devices with LUNs >7 (by default seems 2.4 scans 0-7) |
| 22:08.37 | enouf | itchi: http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/index.htm |
| 22:09.00 | enouf | itchi: Etch daily build ... |
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| 22:11.19 | itchi | enouf: man! ... Great thanks man! hehe, these have an pinguin site. whoooaa |
| 22:11.21 | ToxicSun | what programming could a person start to learn with linux for free |
| 22:11.25 | ToxicSun | like perl |
| 22:11.54 | enouf | itchi: see the daily-images here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:12.15 | secher | ToxicSun: perl |
| 22:12.40 | Gnurdux | ToxicSun, perl, python, ruby, C++, Java, basically anything |
| 22:12.43 | ToxicSun | nothing else? java, C++, etc |
| 22:12.43 | zinx | ToxicSun: pretty much anything |
| 22:12.48 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 22:12.48 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 22:13.04 | zinx | ToxicSun: i believe there's even a VB-alike or two |
| 22:13.07 | ToxicSun | do the compilers or interpreters or any fo the software needed to do those... do i ned to pay for that? |
| 22:13.25 | ToxicSun | or are there free versions? |
| 22:13.27 | zinx | ToxicSun: there are free interpreters/compilers for just about everything |
| 22:13.28 | itchi | enouf: whoooaa, i hope i not need to make use of that forced win32. Now i have it, i not want it lol, wana _the_ Debian ;-) I can not believe it without |
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| 22:13.53 | ToxicSun | ok good deal, thank you zinx |
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| 22:14.20 | itchi | It's an dual core, thats not an 64bit?? |
| 22:14.31 | ToxicSun | thank you gnurdux |
| 22:14.52 | itchi | Or take that (hehe) i386? |
| 22:15.12 | eeyore- | goodshit: about the smp question, yes, you should use kernel-image-*-smp. but, why 2.4.27? why not 2.6.*? |
| 22:15.37 | Gnurdux | ToxicSun, perl, python, and java are all open source projects, Java is free and there are open-souce clones, GCC is an open source compiler for C/C++, PHP is open source.... |
| 22:16.10 | ToxicSun | perl and php are similar right? |
| 22:16.11 | enouf | itchi: usually i686 is fine to start |
| 22:16.19 | secher | why would horde3 be routing me to packages.debian.org when I login to horde3? |
| 22:16.28 | itchi | enouf: Yup, but it's not in the list there |
| 22:16.40 | enouf | itchi: which list? |
| 22:16.47 | PerfDave | ToxicSun: PHP is a language designed for webpages which can be hacked into command-line stuff. perl is a language designed for scripthing which works suprisingly well for web stuff. |
| 22:16.52 | itchi | enouf: The Etch installer |
| 22:17.07 | PerfDave | ToxicSun: You may want to consider whether something is free, Free, and unencumbered. |
| 22:17.07 | enouf | itchi: clcik on i386 |
| 22:17.40 | itchi | enouf: netinst should be right for this job? |
| 22:17.47 | zinx | PerfDave: at this point in his learning, i don't think that part will matter much.. need to get programming basics down so he can learn any of the others :/ |
| 22:17.53 | enouf | itchi: read the Installation Guide and other docs there :-) |
| 22:17.54 | itchi | enouf: Hope's at least the network that work |
| 22:17.58 | ToxicSun | free = free to me? Free = open source, free to everyone? unenbumbered = ? dave? |
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| 22:18.08 | ToxicSun | sorry, perfdave, rather |
| 22:18.23 | itchi | enouf: Yes i know, usually i make use of the netinst set. But like i have some troubles with the network card ... |
| 22:18.26 | enouf | itchi: yep .. smaller and smaller .. depending upon network connection and/or speed |
| 22:18.30 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: why do you expect a crash course in free beer vs. libre from here? do your own reading |
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| 22:18.48 | ToxicSun | no, i dont expect one eeyore |
| 22:18.58 | enouf | itchi: during the install you may ne able to load the required module separately on alt-f2 |
| 22:19.00 | ToxicSun | i just was wondering if i had them right |
| 22:19.05 | eeyore- | oic |
| 22:19.06 | enouf | s/ne/be |
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| 22:19.27 | ToxicSun | sorry, to be off topic... thank you guys |
| 22:19.40 | ToxicSun | does debian include GCC |
| 22:19.50 | itchi | enouf: Okay, hope's i get lesser unknow device ;-) |
| 22:20.03 | PerfDave | ToxicSun: free = not paying anything. Free = free to modify and share, see http://www.fsf.org/ . Unencumbered = not covered by patent restrictions. |
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| 22:20.15 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: "learning to program" is very personal question. it all depends on your style. if you want instant gratification, use shell or interpreted language. |
| 22:20.20 | mahognyy | hi, isn't grub.conf supposed to be in /boot/grub/grub.conf ? |
| 22:20.51 | ToxicSun | thanks perfdave and eeyore |
| 22:20.55 | PerfDave | ToxicSun: Yes, Debian includes GCC |
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| 22:21.09 | eeyore- | mahognyy: grub uses menu.lst, which grub.conf may be a symbolic link to |
| 22:21.29 | PerfDave | ToxicSun: If you want to learn Perl, get a copy of "Learning Perl" and use the Perl interpreter which comes with Debian. |
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| 22:21.50 | itchi | enouf: Hehe, already getted, lesser than an minute, should be a problem |
| 22:21.51 | ark3qqq | How can I keep spamassassin up-to-date on my debian/stable system? |
| 22:22.08 | abrotman | uptodate ? |
| 22:22.36 | itchi | enouf: Is it possible to get at speed +- 6000Ko ? |
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| 22:22.43 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 22:22.43 | dpkg | hmm... volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
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| 22:22.56 | ark3qqq | abrotman: Neat. I'll check that out. |
| 22:22.59 | eeyore- | !gentoo |
| 22:22.59 | dpkg | well, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 22:23.06 | itchi | enouf: Is there not an md5 sumfile? |
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| 22:23.31 | eeyore- | hasn't changed much :-7 |
| 22:23.48 | ark3qqq | abrotman: That's exactly what I needed. Thanks much. |
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| 22:24.12 | itchi | enouf: Okay have it, bellow is noted how to get it, no link directly to it |
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| 22:25.38 | abrotman | ark3qqq: honestly .. not sure how volatile that is |
| 22:25.59 | jazbo2186 | When try to `apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-1-686` from backports.org it fails with mkinitrd.yaird failed to create initrd image. Any thoughts? |
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| 22:27.24 | abrotman | jazbo2186: someone else had that last night .. i'd contact the maintainer |
| 22:27.31 | itchi | kug, looks right, strange, that was a bit to fast |
| 22:27.45 | valdyn | jazbo2186: dont let it use yaird, install an alternative initrd tool |
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| 22:28.17 | abrotman | valdyn: is initrd-tools at bpo ? |
| 22:28.55 | valdyn | abrotman: no idea, sarge's stock initrd-tools might work.. |
| 22:28.59 | Skaag | is there an fsck.swap utility? |
| 22:29.08 | Skaag | or is it pointless to have such a thing altogether? |
| 22:29.17 | valdyn | Skaag: pointless |
| 22:29.35 | Skaag | so if the swap is corrupt, I should just reformat it |
| 22:29.45 | valdyn | Skaag: no |
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| 22:29.53 | Skaag | valdyn: so? |
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| 22:30.18 | valdyn | Skaag: if swap is corrupted, you should probably reboot |
| 22:30.26 | beardy | reboot? |
| 22:30.29 | valdyn | Skaag: thats a kernel or hardware bug, swap is no fs |
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| 22:30.36 | valdyn | beardy: yes, certainly |
| 22:30.52 | Skaag | valdyn: it's on an external drive that i'm checking |
| 22:30.59 | Skaag | it's not the main drive |
| 22:31.05 | Skaag | i've connected via a USB enclosure |
| 22:31.06 | beardy | valdyn: can't he swapoff and recreate it, and swapon again? |
| 22:31.46 | valdyn | beardy: maybe he really means that his disk is broken |
| 22:31.46 | Skaag | beardy: I don't even have to swapoff since it is not being used at the moment |
| 22:31.46 | beardy | I just joined, so nevermind.. |
| 22:31.48 | valdyn | Skaag: why would you think that your swap partition is corrupt? |
| 22:31.57 | Skaag | valdyn: just a feeling |
| 22:32.06 | valdyn | Skaag: well, ignore that feeling |
| 22:32.08 | Darxus | is there a way to list only the versions of programs that are available in current listed repositories? "apt-cache dumpavail" also lists versions I have installed which are not in the configured repositories |
| 22:32.11 | Skaag | valdyn: that in the location where the swap area lies, the disk has bad sectors |
| 22:32.22 | Skaag | ok i'll gladly ignore it, thx :) |
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| 22:32.35 | valdyn | Skaag: good point, bad secters have nothing to do with fsck, fsck cant fix that |
| 22:32.40 | enouf | jazbo2186: guessing .. but yaird is deprecated .. or will be .. use perhaps instead initramfs-tools |
| 22:32.44 | Skaag | valdyn: true |
| 22:32.46 | valdyn | Skaag: bad sectors means, buy a new disk |
| 22:33.16 | Skaag | I just want to run it for a few minutes, enough to boot the os, run oracle for 3 minutes while it exports the db into a dump file |
| 22:33.22 | valdyn | Skaag: feel free to run 'badblocks' on it |
| 22:33.32 | Skaag | So I wanted to check that it's ok before I stick it into a box |
| 22:33.47 | itchi | Okay, it's toasted, cross the fingers guys :-p |
| 22:33.47 | Skaag | that's why I mounted it via the enclosure, so I can fsck it freely, etc. |
| 22:33.52 | Darxus | Skaag: if you're trying to get data off of a busted disk you really should boot off of something other than the busted disk, something like a knoppix cd |
| 22:34.16 | Skaag | Darxus: well i've booted from my debian box instead... same thing no? |
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| 22:34.25 | Skaag | Darxus: I then mounted it via USB |
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| 22:34.50 | Darxus | Skaag: right |
| 22:35.18 | Skaag | to be completely honest my main OS runs off a USB drive as well ;-) |
| 22:35.29 | Skaag | it's not optimal, but i'm happy with the performance |
| 22:36.07 | itchi | heh, should i use the GUI in the installer? Or better to leave it? And first try to get the lapi working? |
| 22:36.18 | itchi | nah |
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| 22:36.39 | itchi | Gona test that GUI later with qemu, first the lapi :-p |
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| 22:38.33 | dutchfish | what would be the equivalent of the dos command echo somefile.txt > com1? |
| 22:38.54 | jazbo2186 | abrotman: valdyn: enouf: This is on a system that started of as sarge unstable and is now sarge stable... |
| 22:39.15 | enouf | Skaag: you can easily recreate the swap partition/file if you really think it's necessary .. but a reboot will/should clear it as mentioned |
| 22:39.15 | valdyn | jazbo2186: sarge never was "unstable" |
| 22:39.31 | enouf | jazbo2186: you're confused |
| 22:39.34 | jazbo2186 | valdyn: sorry testing i guess |
| 22:39.53 | enouf | once up .. no coming down :-p |
| 22:40.17 | enouf | sarge -> etch -> sid |
| 22:40.24 | enouf | up |
| 22:40.40 | jazbo2186 | i'm just looking at the old deb: cdrom entries in sources.list which i commented out. They say "testing _Sarge_" |
| 22:40.47 | itchi | I get 'No common CD-ROM driver are detected' in the beta installer. |
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| 22:40.55 | enouf | dutchfish: same thing .. just use ttyS0 maybe instead of com1 |
| 22:40.58 | cydork | jazbo2185, sarge was testing but never unstable. |
| 22:41.07 | enouf | whoops |
| 22:41.10 | cydork | jazbo2185, sid is always unstable :) |
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| 22:41.20 | ark3qqq | abrotman: I added volatile to my sources and updated. aptitude upgrade is not upgrading spamassassin. aptitude show does show the new version. Thoughts? |
| 22:41.47 | dutchfish | enouf, so i could send txt through serial port 1 like: echo somefile.txt > ttys0? |
| 22:41.53 | enouf | ark3qqq: look at unofficial.debian.org if you care to .. or experimental |
| 22:42.11 | abrotman | ark3qqq: use pinning perhaps ? |
| 22:42.17 | enouf | dutchfish: sure .. I'm pretty sure you can |
| 22:42.33 | dutchfish | enouf, and how ro set baudrate? |
| 22:42.35 | ErikRose | Anybody else's Apache segfaulting like mad now that they've upgraded to 2.2? I have to remove mod_auth_kerb AND mod_fcgid, or it doesn't work. Are lots of modules still compiled against the wrong ABI or something? |
| 22:42.37 | widrone | itchi: "are detected", my grammarpolice sirens are flashing. Beside the problem you have, did it accualy say that? |
| 22:42.46 | ark3qqq | abrotman: But why wouldn't it automatically show for upgrade, since it has a higher version number? |
| 22:42.50 | enouf | dutchfish: capital S .. though .. cat /etc/inittab |
| 22:42.54 | valdyn | ark3qqq: apt-cache policy spamassassin |
| 22:43.00 | abrotman | ark3qqq: what if you apt-get install spamassassin ? |
| 22:43.05 | abrotman | or aptitude install .. whichever |
| 22:43.37 | ark3qqq | abrotman: It claims it's already installed/up-to-date. Yet dpkg -l shows the old version number. |
| 22:43.58 | enouf | dutchfish: or ' less /etc/inittab ' and use up/down arrows to scroll .. q to quit |
| 22:44.08 | enouf | dutchfish: example #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 22:44.12 | widrone | itchi: And are you trying the etch rc1 d-i btw? |
| 22:44.16 | abrotman | ark3qqq: paste the results of what valdyn asked for |
| 22:44.36 | itchi | widrone: Yes, i try that one, the Sarge had found the CD ROM driver, here not |
| 22:44.43 | dutchfish | enouf, and if i want ascii, just change vt100 to ascii? |
| 22:45.01 | ark3qqq | Ah, almost missed that. It's about 10 lines. Should I paste here? |
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| 22:45.20 | valdyn | !paste |
| 22:45.20 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:45.22 | ErikRose | Ah, there are some bugs filed about it. |
| 22:45.27 | enouf | dutchfish: sorry ,.. haven't actually used it like that .. can't say for sure.. but I'm sure it's easy :-) |
| 22:45.51 | dutchfish | enouf, ty very much! |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | dutchfish: man getty , man tty |
| 22:46.04 | enouf | dutchfish: yw :-) |
| 22:46.17 | ark3qqq | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4391 |
| 22:47.08 | krazykit | ooooooooohmygod. |
| 22:47.17 | krazykit | don't buy HP products. |
| 22:47.18 | itchi | Which driver should i need to choice? I not see somethings with lspci on the laptop |
| 22:47.29 | abrotman | ark3qqq: try aptitude install spamassassin=3.1.4-0volatile1 |
| 22:48.09 | ark3qqq | abrotman: If I do that, will it continue to update as volatile updates its version? |
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| 22:48.15 | valdyn | ark3qqq: apt-get -t volatile upgrade, or similar |
| 22:48.17 | abrotman | ark3qqq: not sure .. |
| 22:48.28 | itchi | I Need to load it of an flopy, forget it, no flopy anymore. So no. Oef, i get an little list, gona try each one? |
| 22:48.32 | abrotman | ark3qqq: you could use pinning to make it always get SA from volatile |
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| 22:48.53 | valdyn | ark3qqq: sources get prioritsed, man apt_preferences on how to change priorities |
| 22:48.56 | cydork | ark3qqq, yep you need pinning for that. |
| 22:49.22 | itchi | How can we know which cd rom we have? I need to load that module it's looks |
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| 22:50.10 | itchi | It's funny, he boot of the cd rom, then tell that he can not find any driver for it :-p |
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| 22:50.36 | cydork | itchi, it's sata :) |
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| 22:50.47 | cydork | itchi, trying to install etch? |
| 22:50.58 | ark3qqq | Hmm... So how do I make volatile always take priority over everything else? |
| 22:51.10 | itchi | cydork: It worked with the Sarge cd. Yup, like it's an brand new laptop |
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| 22:51.24 | abrotman | ark3qqq: you sohuldn't ..y ou should do that on a per package basis |
| 22:51.33 | cydork | !tell itchi -about etch sata |
| 22:52.16 | ark3qqq | abrotman: I guess what I'm going for is "spamassassin and all its dependencies need to come from volatile." |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | eh .. i doubt that SA has dependencies in volatile |
| 22:52.49 | itchi | ow, so just install libata.atapi_enabled=1 as boot param? |
| 22:53.05 | cydork | itchi, yep |
| 22:53.19 | ark3qqq | abrotman: Okay. Then how should I proceed? |
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| 22:54.08 | itchi | cydork: oef, not wanted to toast another one :-p |
| 22:54.16 | abrotman | ark3qqq: use pinning .. man apt_preferences |
| 22:54.25 | abrotman | ark3qqq: very good examples in there |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | oh .. spamc is also in volatile .. duh |
| 22:54.44 | Udaj | Can anyone tell me why some have a machine name for a reverse dns to their IP address and why I do not and what if any advantages there are, thanks? |
| 22:55.00 | abrotman | yes .. there are .. ask #dns |
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| 22:57.19 | itchi | cydork: Thnanks ;-) |
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| 22:58.12 | cydork | itchi, np :) |
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| 22:59.24 | _JusSx_ | /quit |
| 23:00.20 | itchi | I not want that XP |
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| 23:01.07 | itchi | Heh, An sticker in the left corner is Vista capable. Whoa, XP is build in 2002? |
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| 23:01.43 | cydork | itchi, i thought it was older than that. |
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| 23:02.30 | cydork | itchi, Windows XP was first released on October 25, 2001 from wikipedia :P |
| 23:02.32 | enouf | itchi: it's old shit .. recycled to smell even worse |
| 23:02.34 | itchi | Been crazy that's still sell that XP |
| 23:02.53 | enouf | poop on a cracker |
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| 23:03.31 | cydork | and people say sarge is old :) |
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| 23:04.05 | enouf | ark3qqq: apologies about unofficial and your SA issues ... I was wrong.. that repo is meant for "other" issues |
| 23:04.23 | enouf | !oldiesmite cydork |
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| 23:04.30 | enouf | bah |
| 23:04.35 | ark3qqq | enouf: Thanks anyway. It looks like volatile is my answer once I get this pinning stuff figured out. |
| 23:04.49 | beardy | someone finally banned him.. |
| 23:04.52 | enouf | ark3qqq: hold a sec .. may have a link to help :-) |
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| 23:05.15 | enouf | beardy: .. erm that's an unban .. no? |
| 23:05.16 | cydork | beardy, removed ban.. |
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| 23:05.55 | bayer | how can i verify all packages on my system? (similar to rpm -Va) |
| 23:06.10 | enouf | ark3qqq: see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 23:06.12 | cydork | bayer, what does that do? :P |
| 23:06.54 | ark3qqq | enouf: Okay, I'll check it out. |
| 23:07.01 | enouf | :-0 |
| 23:07.36 | enouf | ark3qqq: also /msg dpkg pinning <--- another link :-) |
| 23:07.41 | bayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.42 | bayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.42 | bayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.42 | bayer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.05 | cydork | why couldn't he just say taht? |
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| 23:08.49 | enouf | bayer ; you seriously need some aspirin |
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| 23:09.32 | FabParma | hi |
| 23:09.52 | enouf | !greet FabParma |
| 23:09.52 | dpkg | Gr33tz, FabParma |
| 23:10.25 | beardy | enouf: Yes, and that means someone banned him, earlier. |
| 23:10.33 | beardy | cydork: ^^^ |
| 23:10.52 | FabParma | Please, how can I disable the system sound ( the beep) using the shell? |
| 23:11.07 | beardy | !bell |
| 23:11.08 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 23:11.21 | beardy | !shell beep |
| 23:11.21 | dpkg | methinks shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style) - also man setterm. |
| 23:11.40 | FabParma | Thank you |
| 23:11.54 | change | didn't konw i could talk in thai ! lol |
| 23:11.56 | enouf | beardy: and for good reason |
| 23:12.12 | enouf | !beep |
| 23:12.12 | dpkg | methinks beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 23:12.16 | beardy | !shell beep ~= s/ set bell-style)/ set bell-style none)/ |
| 23:12.34 | beardy | !shell beep =~ s/ set bell-style)/ set bell-style none)/ |
| 23:12.35 | dpkg | beardy: OK |
| 23:12.42 | beardy | enouf: hmm? |
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| 23:13.02 | beardy | enouf: Oh, ok, yes, probably. |
| 23:13.06 | enouf | beardy: he was behaving "badly" for a while .. I guess |
| 23:13.12 | enouf | righto |
| 23:13.52 | enouf | I usually stand up to some numbnuts for others and dondelelcaro will ban me for 10 minutes or so .. but I use "profanity" so I deserve it :-p |
| 23:14.18 | beardy | It all depends on who is around.. |
| 23:14.34 | enouf | beardy: nothing related to raf256 's ban though |
| 23:15.09 | raf256 | hmm? |
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| 23:15.34 | earthian|v2 | omg omg sid is saving my life! :) |
| 23:15.46 | enouf | beardy: right .. though I'm considered a "troll" and a "troublemaker" by some here; and not too intelligent by some others |
| 23:16.04 | earthian|v2 | somebody add latest dmraid to etch repos ASAP plz plz!! |
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| 23:16.21 | enouf | phone |
| 23:16.35 | cydork | sid? saving life? |
| 23:16.54 | ark3qqq | All: thanks much. You guys rock as always. Later. |
| 23:17.01 | cydork | !comfort enouf |
| 23:17.01 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:17.04 | change | yes the sidding bull ya kno ? |
| 23:17.21 | odla | what do you guys think...i'm setting up a windows xp as a guest OS with qemu...should i use vfat or ntfs? |
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| 23:18.16 | earthian|v2 | cydork coz sid has latest software that fixed bugs in between kernel<->dmraid |
| 23:18.29 | beardy | odla: vfat if you want to write to it from the host os, if that is possible.. |
| 23:18.34 | cydork | earthian|v2, 2.6.18? |
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| 23:18.41 | earthian|v2 | 2.6.16 |
| 23:18.41 | enouf | !prize cydork |
| 23:18.49 | earthian|v2 | i used etch netinstall cd |
| 23:18.49 | earthian|v2 | :D |
| 23:18.56 | earthian|v2 | bootstraped sid |
| 23:19.03 | odla | beardy: thanks |
| 23:19.10 | earthian|v2 | err.. debootstrap sid |
| 23:19.28 | earthian|v2 | then apt-get install dmraid |
| 23:19.50 | earthian|v2 | now will try to debootstrap etch again to now mounted /target as my real hdd raid |
| 23:21.26 | earthian|v2 | hm. i wonder if i use sid as a temporary os (in ram) to install etch on disk wont !@#$% me anything :S |
| 23:22.20 | eldowan | I updated etch on friday, and I am having font issues within Xorg / KDE. many of the fonts are working correctly, amarok, kicker. However, some fonts are there, but not. Example, in the K menu, the fonts are gone, but when I hover over a sub menu, the fonts are there as the menu is sliding, but then dissapear. In galeon, opera, etc... the fonts on a web page are blank until hilighted. I'm not sure where to begin looking on how to fix this. Does anyone have |
| 23:22.20 | eldowan | any suggestions? |
| 23:22.21 | itchi | Using the Etch installer, the network card is not detectd. So modprobe 8139too; /sbin/ifconfig show it up. I'm on the stage now to add some mirrors to the sources. But he complain that he not could use the network. What should i do? |
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| 23:24.43 | dondelelcaro | itchi: use the menu to go back to the "configure network" stage, and configure the network appropriately. |
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| 23:26.23 | itchi | dondelelcaro: yup, it's right |
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| 23:27.16 | eldowan | I updated etch on friday, and I am having font issues within Xorg / KDE. many of the fonts are working correctly, amarok, kicker. However, some fonts are there, but not. Example, in the K menu, the fonts are gone, but when I hover over a sub menu, the fonts are there as the menu is sliding, but then dissapear. In galeon, opera, etc... the fonts on a web page are blank until hilighted. I'm not sure where to begin looking on how to fix this. Does anyone have |
| 23:27.16 | eldowan | any suggestions?Using synaptic as a test, those fonts work correctly. In fact, gimp, nautilus, and gnome terminal work correctly. I'm assuming this is a KDE problem. |
| 23:27.46 | eldowan | sorry about the double post. This was supposed to be posted: Using synaptic as a test, those fonts work correctly. In fact, gimp, nautilus, and gnome terminal work correctly. I'm assuming this is a KDE problem. |
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| 23:28.18 | itchi | Looks like i have choosen an crazy lapy :-/ |
| 23:28.35 | Coweater | eldowan: i think someone mentioned a cairo rendering bug a few days ago that might be related |
| 23:28.47 | enouf | itchi: after modprobing .. go back to configure network stage |
| 23:29.03 | eldowan | Coweater: cairo? Thanks. Hopefully it will lead to something. |
| 23:29.03 | Irrumator | don't think kde uses cairo |
| 23:29.11 | enouf | itchi: what was that RealTek model again? |
| 23:29.52 | zamaliphe | my system broken i cant even start the text mood help |
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| 23:30.01 | enouf | itchi: can you cat /prco/cpuinfo ? what CPU are you using? |
| 23:30.10 | enouf | s/proc* |
| 23:30.30 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: what's wrong with it/ |
| 23:30.49 | enouf | eldowan: can man fc-cache help? |
| 23:31.10 | enouf | eldowan: check the BTS? |
| 23:31.21 | itchi | enouf: eeeuhm, i have pressed the button |
| 23:31.25 | zamaliphe | i have install the nvidia beta driver and aiglx and it was working fine |
| 23:31.32 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ok; can you ping the mirror from your laptopo? |
| 23:31.53 | enouf | itchi: too much saké ? |
| 23:31.55 | zamaliphe | but after 2 reboots i cant log in to the system |
| 23:31.55 | itchi | enouf: I have discovered that the networkcard looks like to work, can ping to himself but not outside |
| 23:32.11 | itchi | enouf: The laptop is 4 meters around |
| 23:32.18 | enouf | itchi: post lspci info and ifconfig -a |
| 23:32.29 | itchi | A bit to messy on my desk for that brand new thing :-p |
| 23:32.29 | enouf | itchi: phone |
| 23:32.39 | itchi | enouf: okay ;-) |
| 23:33.01 | zamaliphe | all a can see is wight screen |
| 23:33.02 | itchi | The problem is that the network is not working, i not see it to type it |
| 23:33.38 | itchi | dondelelcaro: ping is not there |
| 23:33.40 | eldowan | enouf: I'll try fc-cache now. BTS so far I haven't been able to use, that site didn't like hilighting the fonts. |
| 23:33.55 | krazykit | son of a ... |
| 23:33.58 | enouf | itchi: I'm on the phone .. but .. pastebin that realtek info from before |
| 23:34.05 | krazykit | i have to install windows on my laptop :-( |
| 23:34.18 | enouf | eldowan: hehe .. bugs.debian.org? |
| 23:34.30 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Had try it, that's why i have pressed enter and not have put these mirrors. Just to look what happend. If needed i can reinstall to go back, just that i try to understand what's happend |
| 23:34.45 | enouf | krazykit: why? BIOS update/flash? |
| 23:34.46 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: do you have any idea how to check whats wrong ? |
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| 23:34.59 | itguru | Hi Guys! |
| 23:35.00 | krazykit | enouf: sort of. i have to hack the bios so my new card will work. then flash it. |
| 23:35.07 | krazykit | luckily i haven't really done anything with the laptop |
| 23:35.08 | itchi | enouf: I have not network to the laptop, wired nor wifi work |
| 23:35.08 | eldowan | enouf: yes, thats where I tried. I'll try again in a few different browsers. Hopefully one will work as well as gimp did with the fonts. |
| 23:35.39 | enouf | real important phone folks.. hold |
| 23:35.57 | itchi | Yeah, my old Armada 1750 300Mhz was rock. Arg that the HDD is out |
| 23:36.12 | amphi | itchi: etch doesn't support the wifi? |
| 23:36.24 | itguru | I remember a few months ago, I was surfing the net, after a heavy nights drinking... and partying... *don't drink, and surf* and I remember seeing something about debian working on a project to replace webmin... but I have yet to find where I saw that info, anyone ever hear of this? |
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| 23:36.30 | eldowan | Assuming it is cairo causing the problem, is there a way I can downgrade from 1.2.4-4 to 1.2.4-1 if I have the older deb file? |
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| 23:36.43 | itchi | amphi: Should i need to do somethings to get it working. Maybe easier to ask so |
| 23:36.49 | itchi | amphi: ? |
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| 23:36.53 | beardy | itguru: Well, you said yourself you were drunk.. |
| 23:36.55 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: white screen ... maybe you didn't set Nvidia to be the opengl driver in your system. debian? |
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| 23:36.56 | _Atomo64_ | hi, somebody closed a bug report I opened at bugs.debian.org but I still have the same problem... how can I reopen it? |
| 23:37.05 | amphi | itchi: ifconfig -a shows it? ;) |
| 23:37.08 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: did you install beryl package, or did you compile it? |
| 23:37.09 | itchi | man, i have run today, |
| 23:37.22 | beardy | itguru: It probably was Novell or some other crap. |
| 23:37.24 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: no |
| 23:37.25 | dendrite | _Atomo64_: How do you know it's not solved? |
| 23:37.29 | itchi | amphi: Only eth0 is showed |
| 23:37.36 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: "no"? |
| 23:37.43 | itchi | amphi: only ping to it works, to others not yet |
| 23:37.51 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: i coldent find it |
| 23:37.56 | _Atomo64_ | dendrite: because I just tested..., the bug report is 384827 |
| 23:38.09 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: what's "no" in response to? what's "couldn't find it"? |
| 23:38.15 | dendrite | _Atomo64_: And you read through the entire thread of the bug report? |
| 23:38.28 | _Atomo64_ | dendrite: yes, I did |
| 23:38.35 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: i didnot install it |
| 23:38.44 | dendrite | _Atomo64_: And you're sure the fix isn't still in uploads, or sid? |
| 23:38.53 | amphi | itchi: _that_ should work with 8139too ;) |
| 23:38.55 | itchi | Maybe, first need to find that, would be a bit easier to debug and paste some output |
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| 23:39.03 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: describe what you've done. keep in mind i'm not there, and i can't tell what you may or may not have done. be specific. |
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| 23:39.32 | itchi | amphi: heh, _just_ need to find it ;-) |
| 23:39.50 | _Atomo64_ | dendrite: I'm sure; the guy who said "As it seems resolved, I think you can close this reportbug." said it was fixed on the version of konqueror at etch; and I have that same version and I still have the problem, now it is a different backtrace, but I still have the problem |
| 23:40.26 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: i have install the comiz and the nvidia beta and add the config for the aiglx |
| 23:40.47 | dendrite | _Atomo64_: A different backtrace is probably best handled as a new bug. But be sure to cite 384827 and explain why it's similar, but still needs to be kept open. |
| 23:40.57 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: and after all of that the system was working fine |
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| 23:41.46 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: but i have reboot wight screen thats all |
| 23:42.11 | _Atomo64_ | dendrite: ok, thanks |
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| 23:42.18 | odla | why if qemu is so great and free, do folks use vmware? |
| 23:42.25 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: usually white screen means you have no acceleration (is not using nvidia's drivers) |
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| 23:42.59 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: do you think i have to install it agian |
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| 23:44.10 | odla | wow...you can now get wobbly windows in etch? |
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| 23:44.48 | compudaze | vmware server is free |
| 23:45.00 | compudaze | and cake to setup in ubuntu |
| 23:45.04 | phogg | odla: vmware has more glitz and GUI. Also, it is somewhat more mature |
| 23:45.07 | tnks | Is there a good tutorial for setting up Xen with all the packages currently in testing? |
| 23:45.21 | compudaze | i mean debian ;p |
| 23:45.27 | tnks | I see a lot of tutorials on-line, but they're not exactly current with Debian. |
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| 23:45.38 | odla | compudaze: yeah but vmware player isn't free as in freedom just beer |
| 23:45.39 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: how can i get to text mod ? i have try to add "init 2" to kernel line in grub and even after boot to run level 2 Xserver has start ? |
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| 23:45.51 | itguru | beardy-> But it was there |
| 23:45.56 | compudaze | odla, doesn't bother me, it works =) |
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| 23:46.14 | odla | compudaze: fyi...qemu is pretty easy to set up too :D |
| 23:46.14 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: runlevel 1, please |
| 23:46.29 | itguru | Okay, I have a better question, can anyone recommend any web-based admin applications/projects for a debian based machine? |
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| 23:46.35 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: or press ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 23:47.41 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: i have try the ctrl-alt-f1 but i didnot try the runlevel 1 |
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| 23:48.06 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: ok i'm gon try it now thanks |
| 23:57.56 | ArkoldThos | aff esta madre va a quedar vacia.. |
| 23:57.57 | vostorga | la puta que la pario ArkoldThos ! |
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| 23:58.57 | earthian|v2 | anyway... does anybody of you have sid and parted and then resized your partitions and after that it did not corruped your data? |
| 23:58.57 | earthian|v2 | feck |
| 23:58.57 | earthian|v2 | anyway... does anybody of you have sid and parted and then resized your partitions and after that it did not corruped your data? |
| 23:58.58 | earthian|v2 | :| |
| 23:58.59 | earthian|v2 | anyway... does anybody of you have sid and parted and then resized your partitions and after that it did not corruped your data? |
| 23:58.59 | earthian|v2 | because now parted is making noice that it has some experimental code that MIGHT cause problems :S |
| 23:58.59 | earthian|v2 | i dont want to be a tester on my important data :S |
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| 23:59.00 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: so back up your data, and check the bts. |
| 23:59.00 | vostorga | I swear it, Wasnt me !!!! |
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| 23:59.00 | earthian|v2 | i do not have where to backup data |
| 23:59.00 | Thaiger | I'm trying to pre-seed an install, but the docs don't say how to get the config file into the initrd, how would I do that? |
| 23:59.01 | Gathond | earthian|v2: resizing partitions i always a risky thing, which should onle be done on either non important data or with a backup just before |
| 23:59.01 | earthian|v2 | so just asking if somebody had any bad experiences with it |
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| 23:59.01 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: if there aren't any bugs filed against it, then no one has. |
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| 23:59.03 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: however, you could always be the first. |
| 23:59.04 | earthian|v2 | :S |
| 23:59.04 | rgsteele_home_ | earthian|v2: for which now? |
| 23:59.04 | rgsteele_home_ | I got booted for a sec |
| 23:59.04 | rgsteele_home_ | What software? |
| 23:59.04 | earthian|v2 | sid |
| 23:59.04 | sekelsenmat | [Hirvinen] I am trying to install chatzilla, but it synaptic cannot find this package, anyone know how should I proceed? |
| 23:59.05 | sekelsenmat | sorry for selecting someone, I wanted to say hi_ |
| 23:59.05 | rgsteele_home | earthian|v2: What software are you using? |
| 23:59.06 | *** mode/#debian [+l 668] by debhelper |
| 23:59.06 | eeyore- | "important data" and "parted" .. interesting juxtaposition |
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| 23:59.07 | earthian|v2 | rgsteele_home i am trying to resize a partition with parted on debian sid |
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| 23:59.47 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: why not do what sane people do? backup, repartition, reformat, and restore? |
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