| 00:00.09 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: unless you're dealing with terrabytes of data, and even then, you wouldn't be having this discussion ... |
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| 00:00.19 | rgsteele_home | earthian|v2: What filesystem? |
| 00:00.42 | rgsteele_home | I've had good results with reiser's resize_reiserfs |
| 00:00.52 | earthian|v2 | rgsteele_home ext3 |
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| 00:01.06 | earthian|v2 | eeyore- its over 250gb of data |
| 00:01.15 | earthian|v2 | and i do not have a hdd or money for hdd :/ |
| 00:01.33 | eeyore- | has hans been charged, officially? |
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| 00:02.07 | rgsteele_home | earthian|v2: You can't even afford a small drive... and then just tar/gzip stuff? |
| 00:02.33 | rgsteele_home | earthian|v2: The whole point of having a separate drive (or machine, or tape, or w/e) is in case the hdd goes on the fritz |
| 00:02.40 | rgsteele_home | I'm not sure I see the point of backing up to the same drive |
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| 00:03.06 | rgsteele_home | I mean, once a drive starts getting bad sectors, it's not gonna pay attention to partition boundaries |
| 00:03.18 | earthian|v2 | well.. that is worst is that the drive i try to edit is a dmraid created raid0 |
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| 00:03.21 | earthian|v2 | :o |
| 00:04.15 | eeyore- | rgsteele: it *might* make sense if the backup data happens to be on separate area of the drive that hasn't been damaged, yet |
| 00:04.40 | eeyore- | rgsteele: but that only guards against surface defects, not bad electronics |
| 00:04.44 | abrotman | partitions can get damaged without the whole drive being bad |
| 00:06.05 | earthian|v2 | i do not talk about drive damage... if it will happen it will happen, i am talking about if anybody had any bad experience with sid's parted |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | sid is called unstable for a reason :) |
| 00:06.25 | earthian|v2 | if it was sarge i would go ... however i installed sid base system :S |
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| 00:08.09 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: i don't even care about sid/sarge parted :-) i just don't like screwing with filesystems that way, when they (filesystem) haven't been designed for that to begin with |
| 00:08.47 | eeyore- | as i understand more of the ext2/ext3 design, i might change my mind :-) |
| 00:09.28 | earthian|v2 | eeyore-, do you say that i should not resize? |
| 00:10.17 | eeyore- | earthian|v2: yeah, but, that's me |
| 00:10.21 | earthian|v2 | ok. then i will not resize. m$ windows partition for gaming can wait :P |
| 00:10.27 | eeyore- | others will say to go ahead :-) |
| 00:10.32 | earthian|v2 | :o |
| 00:11.11 | abrotman | i say "are you fucking nuts?" :) |
| 00:13.28 | enouf | nutzo b0z0 ? |
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| 00:14.19 | enouf | earthian|v2: see danix.org .. or shaddup :-) |
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| 00:17.55 | enouf | where the heck is stoned 'y' , junky, freak when you need him? .. oh yeah .. shoveling the dellio poop again :-9 |
| 00:18.28 | enouf | ~troll me |
| 00:18.30 | apt | ACTION hereby declares enouf a troll |
| 00:18.38 | enouf | @troll me |
| 00:18.50 | pickcoder | if I'm running a time server for local machines, I use fudge with stratum 10 on each client machine, right? |
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| 00:19.11 | itchi | arg, with that pcmcia Realtek card, the network would also not working. But that's looks an trouble with the pcmcia stuff. I have discovered that the eth0 is the 1394. So no one of the 3 network cards are up |
| 00:19.33 | enouf | itchi: wonderful |
| 00:19.36 | itchi | That pcmcia card have been work for long time before |
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| 00:20.02 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, i try to avoid XP :-p |
| 00:20.08 | jeward | Anyone know how to send an sms message to a t-mobile GSM phone without using their currently broken mail gateway? |
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| 00:20.14 | enouf | itchi: start modprobing the shit outta them |
| 00:20.34 | widrone | "Installation complete", I love this. Fresh debian! ;) |
| 00:20.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, can someone recommend something to load balance udp connections? |
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| 00:20.51 | pickcoder | ntpdate is still showing as it's stratum 16 to the client |
| 00:20.53 | pickcoder | grr |
| 00:20.56 | enouf | itchi: you mean Xpoop I think |
| 00:21.11 | itchi | enouf: 8139too and 8139cp already done, but more i not know. I'm looking in modconf, but not find somethings |
| 00:21.17 | itchi | enouf: |
| 00:22.04 | enouf | itchi: sudo modprobe -l | grep pcmcia' |
| 00:22.10 | itchi | enouf: Oeps, I have try with my old pcmcia card to install the minimal, but failed. Or maybe, download the whole set? |
| 00:22.15 | jeward | Anyone know how to send an sms message to a t-mobile GSM phone |
| 00:22.16 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:22.21 | enouf | itchi: lspcmcia |
| 00:22.30 | itchi | enouf: Gona look ;-) |
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| 00:22.59 | enouf | itchi: apt-get install pcmciautils |
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| 00:23.17 | itguru | I want to make a headless bit torrent machine, can anyone recommend what application to use? |
| 00:23.20 | enouf | itchi: or similar ;P |
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| 00:23.53 | itchi | enouf: There is noted yenta_cardbus. There is not network lol |
| 00:24.25 | itchi | Maybe trying with the wifi card?? |
| 00:24.52 | enouf | itchi: modprobe that shit .. gotta go for a while :-( |
| 00:25.02 | itchi | It's an Intel Pro/wireless 3945ABG. How set i that up? With ndiswrapper? |
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| 00:25.43 | itchi | enouf: Yup, i did the whole list of modconf, can you imagine how many times i have run from one computer to another? |
| 00:26.13 | triplc | i am using etch, and after an "apt-get upgrade" my computer cannot be boot. it says "Waiting for root file system". After web searching, i thought i could fix the issue by: boot from a live cd, then mount, then chroot, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install udev. However after doing all those, my computer is still "waiting for root file system". i am chating from a live cd now. could anyone please kindly tell me how to fix that |
| 00:26.21 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, i had better make space on the desk ;-) |
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| 00:27.25 | itchi | The onboard RJ45 is an Realtek Semiconductor ... Unknow device 8136 |
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| 00:28.41 | itchi | For my wifi usb key, i had need to set it up with ndiswrapper. How can i find out if i need ndiswrapper or load some modules? |
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| 00:29.09 | itchi | Or is 'modconf' compleet? |
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| 00:30.54 | jetx | modconf is all you need to apt-get install |
| 00:31.18 | jetx | it's not installed by default anymore, like it used to be in woody |
| 00:31.24 | itchi | jetx: I look it on another computer, like on the laptop, the base install is not yet installed |
| 00:31.25 | dragonfly | when i log in under one user name, all of the system files that start with . show up in my home directory |
| 00:31.34 | dragonfly | when i log in under a different name they don't show up |
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| 00:31.51 | dragonfly | how do i hide them? i've check the prefrences and it shows that they shoudl be hidden |
| 00:32.01 | itchi | dragonfly: Depend of your file manager, look to the setting of it |
| 00:32.15 | jetx | you don't have any maybe? or you could have ls aliased in .bashrc as ls -lA (or something like that) |
| 00:32.24 | itchi | dragonfly: Somethings like 'View > Show hidden files' |
| 00:32.55 | jetx | if gui what itchi said |
| 00:33.12 | jetx | if console what i said |
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| 00:33.38 | itchi | dragonfly: It's in konqueror? |
| 00:34.03 | dragonfly | i'm using the gnome desktop |
| 00:34.14 | pickcoder | gah.. is anyone familar with ntp.conf? |
| 00:34.16 | jetx | then it's in file manager preferences |
| 00:34.26 | jetx | pickcoder: i looked at it once... |
| 00:34.29 | pickcoder | once? |
| 00:34.30 | jetx | or twice |
| 00:34.31 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:34.35 | triplc | i am using etch, and after an "apt-get upgrade" my computer cannot be boot. it says "Waiting for root file system". After web searching, i thought i could fix the issue by: boot from a live cd, then mount, then chroot, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install udev. However after doing all those, my computer is still "waiting for root file system". i am chating from a live cd now. could anyone please kindly tell me how to fix that |
| 00:34.44 | pickcoder | I can't get my lan server to stop appearing as stratum 16 |
| 00:35.45 | jetx | triplc: how many ide controllers, pata and/or sata do you have |
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| 00:35.46 | jetx | pickcoder: i didn't read that part |
| 00:35.46 | jetx | :/ |
| 00:35.46 | black_13 | is there automagic way to install macromedia flash? |
| 00:36.02 | jetx | you could exec their .bin |
| 00:36.05 | jetx | or alien it |
| 00:36.06 | itchi | black_13: aptitude install <pkg> |
| 00:36.21 | pickcoder | ntpq shows the max peer level is 10 for the local hwclock reference |
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| 00:36.54 | triplc | jetx, uh oh.. i do not know |
| 00:36.56 | jetx | there is one or two here |
| 00:37.09 | jazbo2186 | thanks for all the help! g'night folks |
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| 00:37.26 | itchi | hhhmm, can i connect 2 computer throught an USB cable, ala serial ? |
| 00:37.29 | triplc | jetx, how can i check? do i need to turn off the computer and open it to see? please help |
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| 00:37.44 | black_13 | i see something called "flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 00:37.51 | itchi | 3 network cards and no one that work, that's sad |
| 00:38.32 | jetx | triplc: you could just look in bios, or observe the post screen, or cat something in /dev, or open up the case and just see how many connectors there are |
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| 00:38.59 | triplc | ok, let me reboot and see |
| 00:39.09 | jetx | triplc: you wouldn't even need to turn off the computer to take the side off... nm |
| 00:39.14 | widrone | itchi: You can, but hardware is needed to fool the usb subsystem most of the time. |
| 00:39.15 | genioreal | how can i disable a service to auto-start on debian when it boots ? |
| 00:39.25 | dvs | genioreal: update-rc.d |
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| 00:39.41 | itchi | widrone: myeah, and i'm not yet sur if the USB is working right on one side |
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| 00:40.04 | jetx | genioreal: you could chmod -x the thing in /etc/init.d, which is the frowned upon way, or apt-get install rcconf, or similar, or man sysvinit or something |
| 00:40.20 | genioreal | ok thxs |
| 00:40.25 | jetx | what dvs said |
| 00:40.34 | dvs | !prize me |
| 00:40.42 | dragonfly | the show hidden files and folders box in edit preferences is unchecked...but they are still showing up |
| 00:40.43 | kalila | are CTAN tex files available as a debian package? |
| 00:40.53 | Guerin | kalila: some are |
| 00:41.07 | kalila | Guerin: under CTAN? |
| 00:41.12 | kalila | what are the names of the packages? |
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| 00:41.20 | Guerin | kalila: no, if they are, they'll have been packaged |
| 00:41.35 | Guerin | kalila: they'll show in apt searches |
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| 00:41.59 | itchi | How set i up that Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG card? Is there an module for it? I not find one |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | jetx: redneck! |
| 00:42.04 | widrone | Besides the regular howtos on memory saving, any debian spesific howtos to skin my system down while still keeping inside the "debian" way? Urls and dpkg messages welcome. |
| 00:42.13 | Guerin | kalila: also look and see what's in the various tetex- packages |
| 00:42.14 | abrotman | itchi: google will help you |
| 00:42.14 | kalila | Guerin: I mean what to search for to get them? :) |
| 00:42.31 | Guerin | kalila: aptitude search nameofpackage? |
| 00:42.35 | kalila | Guerin: what I'm looking for is not there (namely res.cls) |
| 00:42.37 | jetx | abrotman: that's 'rock&roll redneck' to you, son |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:42.43 | Guerin | kalila: also search on particular things on packages.debian.org |
| 00:42.44 | jetx | but yeah, it's red |
| 00:42.49 | kalila | ok thanks |
| 00:42.55 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, i continue my researches here then |
| 00:43.07 | abrotman | itchi: eh ? |
| 00:43.16 | Guerin | kalila: oh, then you may have to package it yourself. Do they build with 'make'? I can't remember. |
| 00:43.25 | itchi | abrotman: Just wanted to know that name of that module |
| 00:43.37 | Guerin | kalila: should be able to massage them into a debian package easily enough, or put the in /opt if you can't be arsed |
| 00:43.52 | jetx | i really like the 'maze' screensaver... |
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| 00:44.11 | kalila | I'll have a look and see if I'll package them easily. |
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| 00:44.36 | abrotman | itchi: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:45.00 | jetx | Guerin: they don't have budweiser over there do they |
| 00:45.00 | wireddd | jetx, I like the substrate screensaver |
| 00:45.16 | Guerin | jetx: you can get it if you're depraved enough |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | bottled water? :) |
| 00:45.46 | itchi | abrotman: Many beer ;-) |
| 00:45.52 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 00:46.04 | dpkg | methinks ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:46.18 | jetx | alright so wtf was it put the wine stuff in the beer factoids |
| 00:46.21 | jetx | :) |
| 00:46.29 | itchi | hhmm, i did not try dpkg about it, crap :-p |
| 00:46.45 | wireddd | !wine wireddd |
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| 00:46.46 | abrotman | i just put it there |
| 00:47.05 | jetx | damn, that was a big bag of porkskins, too... all gone. |
| 00:47.10 | black_13 | ok that didnt work |
| 00:48.04 | black_13 | no install http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/iswqcs81.html |
| 00:48.04 | Guerin | jetx: check yourself into the heart clinic now |
| 00:48.10 | itchi | abrotman: To set the wifi up, i already need to have an network access to it. Like i need to get some files on the laptop |
| 00:48.19 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 00:48.19 | dpkg | somebody said nofp was Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | probably |
| 00:48.23 | Guerin | black_13: ↑ |
| 00:48.30 | black_13 | say again |
| 00:48.34 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 00:48.35 | dpkg | nofp is probably Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 00:48.39 | wireddd | I stopped eating pork skins after I got one with the pigs serial number branded into it |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | wireddd: why would that change anything? |
| 00:49.11 | black_13 | whats with the bile? |
| 00:49.39 | Guerin | black_13: what's with the not asking macdobedia for help with their shit broken proprietaryware? |
| 00:50.37 | black_13 | how you if you say "he black_13 we cant help you should should contact macromedia ... please take care have a nice day" |
| 00:50.45 | black_13 | skip the the fbombs |
| 00:50.48 | itchi | That's sad apt have the files, but i can not get it, no network :-/ |
| 00:50.56 | wireddd | propriware |
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| 00:51.08 | jetx | heh |
| 00:51.21 | jetx | i don't like the one with hair still stuck on em |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | gristle! |
| 00:51.34 | sng | Becuase it's far fucking more fucking fun to fucking say fuck than it fucking is to fucking say it the fucking way you said to fucking say it. |
| 00:51.36 | Guerin | black_13: isn't it fucking obvious? |
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| 00:51.53 | sng | Guerin: I win. :) |
| 00:51.54 | jetx | black_13: just use thier installer, if you really want it |
| 00:51.58 | amphi | itchi: no pc card appeared? ;) |
| 00:51.59 | Guerin | sng: fuck you. |
| 00:52.11 | sng | Guerin: Fuck you fucking kiwi. |
| 00:52.24 | ringo999 | i just installed debian and its been a while. what is the commmand if i want to reconfigure the keyboard layout |
| 00:52.26 | jetx | fuck fuck fuck... fuck a duck, chuck |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:52.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 00:52.41 | black_13 | dueiling potty mouth |
| 00:52.44 | Guerin | black_13: if the debian scripts are broken, fiule a bug agaisnt them. Good luck. |
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| 00:52.50 | Guerin | !swearing |
| 00:52.50 | dpkg | methinks swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
| 00:52.50 | ringo999 | abrotman: hi there! you are still around! |
| 00:52.57 | jetx | ringo999: dpkg-reconfigure console-data , sometimes |
| 00:52.58 | ringo999 | ;-) |
| 00:53.01 | itchi | amphi: myeah, it's an toplap, you not do what you want, kug, where i my floppy?? |
| 00:53.05 | dvs | ringo999: When ISN |
| 00:53.10 | dvs | ringo999: When ISNT he around? |
| 00:53.16 | black_13 | Guerin sure |
| 00:53.19 | Guerin | dvs: when he's sitting in cake |
| 00:53.24 | ringo999 | it wont find dpkg-reconfigure command... do i have to su? |
| 00:53.25 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | ringo999: where'd you think i went ? |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | ringo999: yes |
| 00:53.43 | sng | Also. |
| 00:53.57 | sng | abrotman: Fuck you you fucking slacker. |
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| 00:54.06 | amphi | itchi: you said you had an 8139 pcmcia card... |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | sng: others agree! |
| 00:54.23 | sng | abrotman: Yay! |
| 00:54.25 | ringo999 | abrotman: it's just cool to come back to the debain channel after a couple of months (almost a year) and see the same folks. just cool. ;-) |
| 00:55.02 | Guerin | !fcc song |
| 00:55.03 | dpkg | methinks fcc song is http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3 |
| 00:55.05 | itchi | amphi: Yup, that to, it's an older one. But he also not want. Strange |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | ringo999: oh yeah .. rub it in ... |
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| 00:55.24 | wireddd | it will probably be the same people in here 20 years from now... |
| 00:55.39 | Guerin | wireddd: bollocks! the internet will never last 20 years! |
| 00:55.43 | jetx | i'll be fartin dust |
| 00:55.45 | itchi | amphi: I think i'm missing an package about that pcmcia, and like i have not network ... |
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| 00:56.03 | black_13 | to heck with it ... thank god for vmware |
| 00:56.14 | amphi | itchi: it is presumably cardbus not pcmcia? |
| 00:56.35 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, you ask me there somethings |
| 00:56.36 | ringo999 | abrotman: what do you mean, rub it in ... take it as a compliment! |
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| 00:56.51 | abrotman | ringo999: okay |
| 00:57.01 | itchi | amphi: I saw there somethings like yenta_cardbus, say that somethings? |
| 00:57.18 | amphi | itchi: but then perhaps you have an evil cardbus bridge ;) |
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| 00:58.09 | amphi | itchi: you see anything in the log when you insert the card? does the card show up in lspci output? |
| 00:58.15 | itchi | amphi: yup, maybe, if i get wifi or that other RJ45 up, it's ok. The wifi should work if i have already an network. Just that other one that are needed |
| 00:58.29 | Guerin | javamaniac: i thought you said you were drinking beer? |
| 00:58.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:58.36 | jetx | heh |
| 00:58.39 | jetx | i got it |
| 00:58.49 | itchi | amphi: Is that allowed to plug in and out when the laptop is on? |
| 00:59.12 | amphi | itchi: yeah |
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| 01:02.55 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm, the light is 'on' now. ifconfig -a show eth1. Changing /etc/network/interfaces But looks like there is not /etc/init.d/networking (restart) |
| 01:03.20 | amphi | itchi: just configure the interface with ifconfig |
| 01:03.58 | amphi | itchi: and default gateway with route, if necessary |
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| 01:04.41 | amphi | itchi: or ifup eth1 |
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| 01:06.36 | itchi | amphi: Yup, just discovered that it 'restart' |
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| 01:07.37 | amphi | itchi: so now the fun can begin? ;) |
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| 01:09.43 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i have some old notes how to, when with my usb wifi key :-p |
| 01:10.19 | amphi | itchi: running upate-pciids is probably a good idea, now you have connectivity |
| 01:10.32 | amphi | itchi: er, update-pciids |
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| 01:10.59 | itchi | amphi: euhm, it not yet work, light is already on, he is warming the stuff :-p |
| 01:11.22 | amphi | itchi: why not? |
| 01:11.23 | itchi | amphi: There's no 'ping' cmd |
| 01:11.30 | itchi | amphi: I not yet know |
| 01:11.46 | itchi | amphi: I'm looking ;-) |
| 01:12.13 | amphi | itchi: it's connected to a router? |
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| 01:14.02 | itchi | ow ow ow ow, okay, have net, ooeeff |
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| 01:14.19 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 01:16.09 | dansushi | what is the command in debian for configuring the main settings? (like drakconf in mandriva?) |
| 01:16.32 | Guerin | dansushi: what are these 'main settings' of which you speak? |
| 01:16.36 | itchi | dansushi: There is not realy one tool to configure everything |
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| 01:16.56 | abrotman | dansushi: which setting do you want to reset ? |
| 01:17.14 | dansushi | monitor |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 01:17.19 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 01:17.29 | dansushi | monitor/resolution |
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| 01:17.47 | leOn | hell .. been going through quite a lot of docs but can't seem to get my ati card running with 3d acceleration with fglrx ... can someone spare a moment? |
| 01:17.50 | rene1 | hello |
| 01:17.57 | rene1 | i am running stable |
| 01:18.02 | rene1 | i would like to run testing |
| 01:18.11 | odla | rene1: then run testing |
| 01:18.12 | rene1 | but i dont want to reinstall from scratch |
| 01:18.24 | itchi | aaaaa, downloading :-) |
| 01:18.34 | rene1 | is that something i can accomplish via apt ? |
| 01:18.44 | odla | rene1: don't change the word 'sarge' to 'etch' in /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:18.50 | rene1 | heh |
| 01:19.04 | odla | i meant don't reinstall |
| 01:19.09 | odla | not don't do what i said :D |
| 01:19.24 | odla | rene1: back up important things still |
| 01:19.28 | rene1 | k |
| 01:20.07 | rene1 | odla: should i change stable to testing in sources.list also? |
| 01:20.13 | rene1 | :) |
| 01:20.20 | odla | rene1: yeah...you could do that too |
| 01:20.41 | odla | rene1: except if you leave it as 'testing' instead of 'etch' then once etch is released you'll be following etch+1 not etch anymore |
| 01:20.48 | abrotman | !tell rene1 about sarge->etch |
| 01:21.02 | odla | abrotman always has to steal the show |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | better than confusing them :) |
| 01:21.22 | odla | i suppose |
| 01:21.26 | rene1 | my sources.list does not list sarge only stable |
| 01:21.32 | odla | sarge = stable |
| 01:21.32 | rene1 | but ok i got your point |
| 01:21.35 | odla | etch = testing |
| 01:21.35 | rene1 | cool |
| 01:21.40 | odla | sid = unstable |
| 01:21.43 | odla | odla = cool |
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| 01:21.55 | odla | and qotd9 |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | use 'etch' .. not testing |
| 01:22.24 | odla | yes use etch |
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| 01:23.49 | transitmonger | I'm trying to get rails running on debian. any RoR out there? |
| 01:24.04 | odla | is rails a drug? |
| 01:24.12 | transitmonger | i hope so |
| 01:24.18 | rene1 | you can use the ruby that comes with stable |
| 01:24.25 | rene1 | what is your problem transitmonger |
| 01:24.26 | odla | it sounds like something you'd do off a urinal at 2 am in the morning |
| 01:24.26 | rene1 | ? |
| 01:24.29 | rene1 | haha |
| 01:24.33 | rene1 | but no |
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| 01:25.19 | Akuma_ | anyone knows why i can boot an x86 cd but not x64? cpu = amd turion 64 |
| 01:25.31 | odla | Akuma_: different kernels? |
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| 01:25.40 | abrotman | Akuma_: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 01:25.49 | odla | Akuma_: or do you mean before you even load the kernels? |
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| 01:26.04 | Akuma_ | odla: yeah, before it even loads |
| 01:26.09 | Akuma_ | abrotman: i will |
| 01:26.21 | odla | Akuma_: burn a new cd? |
| 01:26.27 | transitmonger | I've got it locked and loaded... the built-in rails webserver appears to work, but when I try to view ... |
| 01:26.31 | transitmonger | no love |
| 01:26.35 | Akuma_ | odla: i did. same problem |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | burnslower! |
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| 01:26.51 | rene1 | anything in your webserever logs |
| 01:26.59 | Akuma_ | odla: actually ... no .. its right _after_ the kernel boots |
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| 01:27.15 | odla | Akuma_: kernel issue probably then |
| 01:27.25 | Akuma_ | odla: on two different cds? |
| 01:27.28 | odla | Akuma_: have you tried to play around with the different kernel parameters? |
| 01:27.35 | odla | maybe... |
| 01:27.47 | odla | i'm no expert but i imagine they might be different |
| 01:27.57 | Akuma_ | odla: no. i just started to learn about those today, but i don't really know where to start |
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| 01:28.10 | odla | Akuma_: like abrotman said ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 01:28.13 | Akuma_ | odla: but then shouldnt they be preconfigured correctly? |
| 01:28.18 | odla | Akuma_: they'll know more |
| 01:28.19 | Akuma_ | odla: i will. thanks |
| 01:28.31 | odla | Akuma_: yeah but maybe not for your hardware |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | Akuma_: which installer did you use ? |
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| 01:29.14 | odla | freakin' edmonton sux |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | at least it's not Yellowknife ? |
| 01:29.24 | transitmonger | hi rene1, -> where's my server log? |
| 01:29.45 | mango | hi every one. Can any one please tell how access a debian machine from home using ssh. The problem on both ends is that the ip address of the servers is dynamic, and both machine run behind a firewall or a router. thanks |
| 01:29.46 | odla | abrotman: i guess...but that's much prettier at least |
| 01:29.50 | Akuma_ | abrotman: its a liveCD.. didnt install it yet. |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | livecd ? |
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| 01:30.00 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | Akuma_: what was the name of the ISO ? |
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| 01:30.21 | odla | abrotman: yeah it is...isn't it? |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | yellowknife ? |
| 01:30.39 | rene1 | in RAILS_ROOT/log ? |
| 01:30.40 | Akuma_ | abrotman: eer.. well.... ubuntu edgy amd x64 :p |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | Akuma_: then you want to ask #ubuntu .. not #debian |
| 01:30.56 | RogerBacon | hey guy, im not a developer so, why the bsd kernel is not usable on linux distribution (like debian) |
| 01:30.59 | rene1 | probably log/development.log |
| 01:31.05 | Akuma_ | abrotman: i did, no one knows. i've tried everywhere |
| 01:31.07 | RogerBacon | never try, not stupid |
| 01:31.16 | Akuma_ | abrotman: i've been trying for days |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | RogerBacon: bsd is bsd .. linux is linux .. different kernels |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | Akuma_: then perhaps you should try the debian installer |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | !kfreebsd |
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| 01:31.43 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | !debian bsd |
| 01:31.57 | dpkg | hmm... debian bsd is a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 01:32.46 | edju | read somwhere that kernel-source had changed to linux-source, but I just updated and still get kernel-source - does that mean my mirror -uchicago.edu - is out of date? |
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| 01:33.34 | abrotman | edju: which version of debian ? |
| 01:33.49 | edju | abrotman, stable |
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| 01:34.29 | abrotman | edju: hasn't changed in stable |
| 01:35.44 | Guerin | RogerBacon: why is a ford motor not usable in a vw? |
| 01:36.22 | wireddd | Guerin, it is |
| 01:36.30 | RogerBacon | Guerin : uhhh ? i only ask a stupid question. |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | Guerin: you can use a BSD kenrel with debian |
| 01:37.43 | ralf_ | scan |
| 01:37.49 | ralf_ | uhh.. sorry. |
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| 01:40.09 | ralf_ | debian rules! |
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| 01:41.09 | ralf_ | I am trying to talk to rubyonrails. It tells me "Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command.." |
| 01:41.33 | ralf_ | I did type "/msg NickServ Identify", but it didn't seem to work. |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | ralf_: /msg nickserv help |
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| 01:42.07 | ralf_ | msg nickserv identify ralf |
| 01:42.18 | ralf_ | daaaahhh |
| 01:42.29 | sekelsenmat | [Soeki] I am trying to install chatzilla, but synapse cannot find it |
| 01:42.42 | sekelsenmat | sorry for that, I mean so_ |
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| 01:42.47 | sekelsenmat | what should I do? |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | use another irc client |
| 01:43.21 | ralf_ | abrotman can you recommend an irc client? |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | irssi or xchat |
| 01:43.28 | sekelsenmat | rsrsrs, about chatzilla |
| 01:43.37 | odla | ralf_: erc :D |
| 01:43.45 | sekelsenmat | is irssi graphical or text-mode? |
| 01:43.51 | odla | sekelsenmat: text |
| 01:43.52 | ralf_ | odla I just installed erc, but I don't konw how to use it |
| 01:43.56 | ralf_ | I do love emacs. |
| 01:43.59 | fuxxy | I'm using knoppix's RPC and DHCP to install a netboot image on my cobalt raq2. in knoppix's syslog I see the access to /nfsroot granted for the raq2, but there isn't any significant network traffic to signal that the raq2's downloading the boot image. Anyone have any suggestions to figure out why? |
| 01:44.02 | odla | ralf_: M-x erc-select |
| 01:44.11 | sekelsenmat | umm, I was looking for a GUI IRC client that isnt X-Chat |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | fuxxy: ask #knoppix |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: konversation ? |
| 01:44.26 | odla | sekelsenmat: xchat-gnome? |
| 01:44.33 | fuxxy | abrotman I'm following debian's install guild to put debian on the raq2. |
| 01:44.38 | odla | sekelsenmat: gaim? |
| 01:44.46 | sekelsenmat | Ill try that, but I think they arent on synapse either |
| 01:44.52 | odla | Guerin: so that you can make smileys :) |
| 01:44.57 | Guerin | sekelsenmat: then you're probably not using debian |
| 01:45.02 | fuxxy | Therefore I think this channel is warranted. |
| 01:45.04 | sekelsenmat | of course I am |
| 01:45.06 | Guerin | odla: what, like this ;( |
| 01:45.10 | odla | synapse = synaptic |
| 01:45.13 | ralf_ | odla sweet. |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | fuxxy: i thought you were trying to put knoppix on it |
| 01:45.16 | sekelsenmat | [AhrAsyL] sorry |
| 01:45.18 | sekelsenmat | ah sorry |
| 01:45.24 | odla | Guerin: you're angry aren't you? |
| 01:45.29 | odla | :( |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | odla: no. |
| 01:45.40 | Guerin | what gives you that impression? |
| 01:45.49 | odla | Guerin: but you did... ;( |
| 01:45.53 | odla | that's a pissed off looking face |
| 01:45.56 | Guerin | it was an example |
| 01:45.59 | phorce1 | Guerin: some people like the clickable windows for different channels. I like the <ALT> switch in irssi |
| 01:45.59 | fuxxy | abrotman no, I'm using knoppix to act as the dhcp and RPC server so that the raq2 will netboot and download the debian image from /nfsroot on knoppix |
| 01:46.00 | abrotman | fuxxy: check syslog and messages on the server .. tftp installs are .. eh .. i've never gotten it to work |
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| 01:46.10 | Guerin | if I'd done :E would you have asked if I was the Great Cthulhu? |
| 01:46.11 | odla | ralf_: yeah erc is nice |
| 01:46.18 | odla | he he |
| 01:46.23 | FernandoMM | How can i flush dns on Debian? |
| 01:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: no, we'd think you had a moustache and goatee |
| 01:46.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:47.04 | odla | with the chin part shaved out |
| 01:47.06 | ralf_ | odla I'm in erc, It told me that my name is already in use. How can I change it to "newname"? |
| 01:47.07 | dondelelcaro | although, perhaps that'd be :{> |
| 01:47.17 | phorce1 | FernandoMM: restarting named should dop the trick |
| 01:47.21 | odla | ralf_: of course your nick is used...you're using it right now |
| 01:47.33 | FernandoMM | phorce1: but i don't have named |
| 01:47.36 | odla | ralf_: all the same irc commands work...to change nick /nick <blah> |
| 01:47.46 | FernandoMM | some tutorials say about nscd but i can't find it on debian |
| 01:47.52 | phorce1 | FernandoMM: then waht are you trying to flush |
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| 01:47.59 | odla | dondelelcaro: that's like one of the zen master goatees |
| 01:48.00 | Guerin | {:[ <- vampire wearing a beret |
| 01:48.41 | odla | :<) |
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| 01:49.07 | FernandoMM | phorce1: i'm testing some sites using host, but i guess what i'm seing is cached ips |
| 01:49.27 | ralf_ | odla but since I'm new to irc, can you tell me exactly how to change my name? |
| 01:49.36 | Guerin | FernandoMM: they'll be cached at the dns server |
| 01:49.36 | ArkoldThos | ./nick NewNick |
| 01:49.41 | phorce1 | FernandoMM: but where are they being cached? |
| 01:49.46 | odla | ralf_: yeah...type /nick <nickyouwant> |
| 01:49.51 | odla | ralf_: omit the <> |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | ralf_: google "irc primer" |
| 01:50.11 | odla | abrotman: that should be a factoid |
| 01:50.18 | FernandoMM | phorce1: on an outside bind server |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | what ? !read the instruction manual to the internet ? |
| 01:50.57 | odla | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html < - irc primer |
| 01:50.59 | phorce1 | FernandoMM: then you need to switch to a server that sin't caching for so long |
| 01:51.02 | denmaeth | man internet |
| 01:51.20 | FernandoMM | phorce1: ok, thank you |
| 01:51.23 | sekelsenmat | [oKtosiTe-server] I found chatzilla here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/mozilla-chatzilla |
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| 01:51.39 | phorce1 | FernandoMM: you have no control for flushing someone else's caching server |
| 01:51.39 | sekelsenmat | I hate this script .. |
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| 01:51.59 | albertsons | Running erc!!! |
| 01:52.07 | sekelsenmat | but apt-get cannot find it |
| 01:52.10 | ralf_ | hehehe. That was me. |
| 01:52.15 | ralf_ | I'm also albertsons |
| 01:52.21 | odla | i see |
| 01:52.25 | sekelsenmat | what do I need to configure? |
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| 01:52.35 | odla | !confuse phorce1 |
| 01:52.36 | dpkg | Yes, them are their gerbil tomorrow, phorce1? wellies of the democracy of tibet with extra anchovies |
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| 01:53.18 | dendrite | !bear phorce1 |
| 01:53.21 | george | sekelsenmat: what package you looking for |
| 01:53.24 | phorce1 | I know nothing about ubuntu -- I need the new wxwidgets-ansi -- there are ubuntu .debs for it -- anybody know what version of ubuntu most closely resembles etch? |
| 01:53.29 | sekelsenmat | mozilla-chatzilla |
| 01:53.31 | albertsons | odla: Thanks for your help. I'm going to work offline for a bit. |
| 01:53.33 | sekelsenmat | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/mozilla-chatzilla |
| 01:53.35 | sekelsenmat | this one |
| 01:53.42 | odla | albertsons: np...enjoy erc |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: so install it |
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| 01:54.11 | sekelsenmat | apt-get install mozilla-chatzilla |
| 01:54.13 | sekelsenmat | does not work |
| 01:54.14 | odla | phorce1: etch...somewhere between the duck one and the current one |
| 01:54.21 | sekelsenmat | cannot find package |
| 01:54.30 | george | phorce1: well that would be a ubuntu question... it would certainly require someone who knows both, and you may or may not find such a person on either channel or room |
| 01:54.32 | odla | sekelsenmat: paste /etc/apt/soucres.list |
| 01:54.38 | odla | !paste |
| 01:54.38 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:54.55 | odla | sekelsenmat: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:55.06 | phorce1 | I'm trying to compile the Mahogany MUA and it doesn't compile with the unicode wxwidgets in debian |
| 01:55.07 | sekelsenmat | will do just a sec |
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| 01:55.22 | george | phorce1: why? |
| 01:55.29 | gimmulf | How do i remove an package completely using apt-get? tried both clean and remove |
| 01:55.35 | odla | sekelsenmat: you probably don't have contrib non-free added to that file...though i don't know if mozilla-chatzilla is contrib or non-free |
| 01:55.44 | widrone | gimmulf: purge? |
| 01:55.49 | sekelsenmat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 01:55.52 | dendrite | gimmulf: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 01:55.53 | george | gimmulf: dpkg --help |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 01:56.02 | phorce1 | george: have to ask the devel team why -- that's just the reply I got. doesn't yet compile with unicode wxwidgets |
| 01:56.21 | george | oic, you didn't try yourself |
| 01:56.35 | george | so build nonunicoce wx |
| 01:56.48 | phorce1 | george: yep -- it barfs about 3/4 through compiling |
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| 01:56.49 | george | I mean, I guess :) |
| 01:57.38 | george | the barf might have stinky but informative pieces in it... no, not the corn or mayo or peanut butter... yeah, the limburger cheese on the left... |
| 01:58.01 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
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| 01:58.18 | sekelsenmat | abrotman what is that suppose to do? |
| 01:58.18 | phorce1 | george: I'm planning to try building a new wx but I don't want to install too much unstable stuff on my machine so I was hoping I could find an ubuntu .deb that would install nicely |
| 01:58.18 | george | for informative barf?? |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: you're supposed to show it to us |
| 01:58.28 | Aghaster | Hi, its been a long time since I've used debian, how can I change to unstable from command line only? |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | Aghaster: then maybe you should reconsider that :) |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | !tell Aghaster about sid faq |
| 01:58.58 | abrotman | !tell Aghaster about sid upgrade |
| 01:59.03 | george | phorce1: I dunno, if you have ubuntu it might work... if you have debian, it might or might not work... |
| 01:59.05 | dendrite | Aghaster: That's one of those questions that if you don't know the answer, you shouldn't use unstable... |
| 01:59.06 | sekelsenmat | actually I am not on debian right now ^^ I accessed sources.list from explore2fs |
| 01:59.07 | odla | Aghaster: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change 'stable' to 'unstable' run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist=upgrade |
| 01:59.10 | Aghaster | apt-get install xserver-xorg doesn't work, but it looks like the package is available in unstable only |
| 01:59.15 | phorce1 | george: it had informative stuff in it -- it was the informative stuff that prompted the devel team to tell me it wouldn't work with the debian wxwidgets. |
| 01:59.29 | darrend | is it possible to install libapache2-svn from testing against apache-2.0 ?? I can't upgrade apache to 2.2 yet and this is listed as a dep of the svn mod. :( |
| 01:59.31 | odla | Aghaster: it's available in etch and at backports |
| 01:59.46 | odla | Aghaster: are you running sarge? |
| 01:59.52 | Aghaster | this is the ppc version, I just downloaded it |
| 01:59.53 | sekelsenmat | but I can say my install is a pretty clean install from testing |
| 01:59.55 | Aghaster | 3.1 |
| 01:59.59 | george | but didn't prompt you to pastebin it so that others could see? or better yet, didn't prompt you to build a web page where you collect and lay out the details? |
| 02:00.01 | odla | Aghaster: ok...you need backports |
| 02:00.05 | sekelsenmat | downloaded today |
| 02:00.10 | odla | !sarge-xorg |
| 02:00.14 | odla | !xorg-sarge |
| 02:00.17 | phorce1 | george: I was debianized when bo was stable --- there's no distro switching happening now. |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: what are you on ? |
| 02:00.20 | odla | hrm... |
| 02:00.27 | sekelsenmat | windows |
| 02:00.29 | odla | !xorg |
| 02:00.30 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: which version are you using ? |
| 02:00.35 | george | to make a long story short, you're not making it possible to comment intelligently |
| 02:00.41 | sekelsenmat | testing |
| 02:00.45 | sekelsenmat | from today |
| 02:00.50 | sekelsenmat | iso CDs |
| 02:00.56 | abrotman | what was the name of the ISO ? |
| 02:01.06 | george | fredley! |
| 02:01.08 | odla | !tell Aghaster about xorg sarge |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: use xchat or konversation |
| 02:01.40 | sekelsenmat | [oKtosiTe-server] will do, but I would like to understand what is happening |
| 02:01.42 | sekelsenmat | I mean |
| 02:01.44 | sekelsenmat | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/mozilla-chatzilla |
| 02:01.47 | sekelsenmat | the package is there |
| 02:01.51 | george | Fredley Isorhymic Displacer! |
| 02:01.59 | odla | sekelsenmat: you know you can also install it from mozilla extensions website |
| 02:02.02 | sekelsenmat | what would be needed to make apt-get see it? |
| 02:02.03 | george | I'm a FID, not a FUD! |
| 02:02.04 | phorce1 | george: http://phorce1.us/mahog/buildfail.txt |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: you're not using stable .. you're using etch .. it's not in etch |
| 02:02.14 | sekelsenmat | oh |
| 02:02.27 | sekelsenmat | umm, now I see |
| 02:02.31 | sekelsenmat | thanks |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | !why is mozilla-chatzilla not in testing |
| 02:03.05 | dpkg | mozilla-chatzilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-chatzilla |
| 02:03.17 | odla | and cause it's a horrible irc client |
| 02:03.30 | george | well when it's building ComposeTemplate.o, it's looking at types incorrectly |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: honestly .. use xchat or konversation |
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| 02:03.57 | odla | sekelsenmat: do you use gnome or kde? if you use gnome use xchat if you use kde use konversation |
| 02:04.08 | phorce1 | george: but considering the fact that the mahog devel team also works on wxwidgets I assumed their answer to be the correct one -- that I will need to build or obtain wxwidgets-ansi |
| 02:04.12 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | so what is a good irc program to use |
| 02:04.13 | sekelsenmat | icewm =) |
| 02:04.21 | sekelsenmat | actually I am writing a window manager too ^^ |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 02:04.23 | dpkg | somebody said irssi-text was probably the best IRC client |
| 02:04.29 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | 'yes |
| 02:04.30 | gravity | word |
| 02:04.34 | odla | nah it's erc |
| 02:04.45 | odla | emacs 4 eva |
| 02:04.49 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok so how do i get it |
| 02:04.57 | odla | apt-get install irssi |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:04.57 | dpkg | refcard is, like, A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 02:05.28 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok thanks |
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| 02:06.28 | ArkoldThos | !tell ArkoldThos about BOINC |
| 02:06.39 | abrotman | !tell ArkoldThos about selftell |
| 02:06.46 | ArkoldThos | aff |
| 02:06.57 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | hay it says that its not listed any moree? |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | it .. its ? |
| 02:07.33 | phorce1 | and if you want to know what irc clients there are to test out in your current version of debian just do an "apt-cache search irc client | less" |
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| 02:08.10 | ArkoldThos | xd |
| 02:08.23 | odla | that key doesn't work for me any more ... sad sad |
| 02:09.25 | odla | do you guys think that most usb keyboards would work out of the box with etch? |
| 02:10.01 | itguru | I'm typing find / usernamelist.txt and I get a listing of EVERY file on the system - what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:10.25 | abrotman | man find |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | odla: yes |
| 02:10.51 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok so is bitchx a good irc client any one ever use it |
| 02:10.52 | odla | abrotman: sweet |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | no |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | use irssi .. wtf |
| 02:11.06 | odla | ha ha |
| 02:11.11 | odla | it's just a freakin' irc client |
| 02:11.11 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | i dont see it man im lookling |
| 02:11.23 | phorce1 | |[HP]|SgtDuke: I did until I found irssi |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:11.37 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | newst one |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | which one? |
| 02:11.52 | odla | 3.1? |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | show us 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' |
| 02:12.14 | phorce1 | I have irssi installed on woody, sarge, and etch -- I don't see it going missing suddenly |
| 02:12.18 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok i see irssi-text is that it |
| 02:12.26 | odla | yup |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | uhm .. they told you that |
| 02:12.34 | Guerin | |[HP]|SgtDuke: change your nick to make you look less retarded |
| 02:12.42 | Guerin | !nickometer |[HP]|SgtDuke |
| 02:12.44 | dpkg | '|[HP]|SgtDuke' is 77.000% lame, guerin |
| 02:12.57 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | lol your soo stoopid |
| 02:12.58 | odla | yeah that pipe character doesn't work on my keyboard anymore |
| 02:13.06 | odla | !nickometer odla |
| 02:13.07 | Guerin | |[HP]|SgtDuke: you're |
| 02:13.07 | dpkg | 'odla' is 0.000% lame, odla |
| 02:13.13 | odla | sweet :D |
| 02:13.17 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | lol |
| 02:13.21 | Guerin | !lol |
| 02:13.21 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:13.25 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | just asnwer the ? newb |
| 02:13.31 | Guerin | !newb |
| 02:13.32 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | i'd tell him about lol .. but his nick is too painful to type :) |
| 02:13.49 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | abvousely wee both aree |
| 02:13.57 | phorce1 | |[HP]|SgtDuke: once you had the name irssi then "apt-cache search irssi" would have shown you the install candidates |
| 02:13.57 | odla | !troll |
| 02:13.57 | dpkg | i heard troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://photo.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 02:13.58 | Guerin | wtf is that? |
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| 02:14.07 | Guerin | is this some sort of organic cipher? |
| 02:14.25 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | lol talking about your self troll |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | oh look .. he can spell |
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| 02:14.53 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | some times :] |
| 02:14.54 | widrone | That troll topic is missing the "beast that turns into rock if you shine the sun on it" version. |
| 02:15.07 | Guerin | widrone: irc trolls aren't that cool |
| 02:15.08 | BoomStYx | I'm starting to really like that dpkg bot |
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| 02:15.31 | phorce1 | abrotman: no, "yourself" should have been one word |
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| 02:15.36 | Roey | njaard: hi |
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| 02:15.40 | widrone | Guerin: Damn, I wish they did turn into stone. Got my sunflash(tm) here waiting. |
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| 02:15.51 | abrotman | phorce1: but he spelled them all right! |
| 02:15.56 | Guerin | widrone: straight up |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | it's not just your fingers |
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| 02:17.20 | Roey | This debian sid! its packages keep breaking, and there's no accountability! I want my money back!! |
| 02:17.23 | Roey | *cough* |
| 02:17.42 | Roey | =) |
| 02:17.48 | Roey | hello Guerin, how are you |
| 02:17.49 | dpkg | Roey: mas o menos |
| 02:17.56 | DaveyB | Does anyone know what I have to add to me sources.list in order to get the AVG virus scanner installed? |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | clamav is |
| 02:18.16 | phorce1 | abrotman: no, not for many years now |
| 02:18.18 | Roey | hey abrotman |
| 02:18.22 | george | if there's no accountability, how can you get your money back |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:18.49 | Roey | I felt like trolling today, but considering I've already been +m'd in #python, I should wait. |
| 02:19.07 | odla | what's +m? |
| 02:19.10 | Roey | mute. |
| 02:19.14 | mlowe | has anyone ever fond a virus in debain ? |
| 02:19.15 | phorce1 | DaveyB: AVG is going full commercial in January so far as I can tell |
| 02:19.32 | odla | mlowe: yes...the free software song |
| 02:19.37 | odla | !free software song |
| 02:19.37 | dpkg | well, free software song is http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg or http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg or http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg or not http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3, or http://www.chaosandorder.us/emcee/2-September-04-CoderzMansionII.mp3, or cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * > /dev/dsp && cd .. ; done |
| 02:20.02 | dendrite | That last one is especially melodic... |
| 02:20.06 | krazykit | rofl at the last option |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | mlowe: there have been linux worms .. they don't affect just debian |
| 02:20.19 | Guerin | would be better done in find or locate |
| 02:21.05 | Gnurdux | is linux intrinsically more secure than blows or not? |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | what do you think? |
| 02:21.28 | Guerin | Gnurdux: not a yes/no question. |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | it depends on the admin! |
| 02:21.39 | Guerin | Gnurdux: the answer is 'it depends' |
| 02:21.47 | Gnurdux | i think a lot of the security advantages of linux aren't intrinsic |
| 02:21.48 | Guerin | (largely on how it's attached to a network) |
| 02:22.05 | Gnurdux | there are probably some advantage (and disadvantages) depending on how its setup |
| 02:22.07 | Guerin | widrone: didn't work :( |
| 02:22.14 | Guerin | Gnurdux: probably? |
| 02:22.17 | dendrite | Gnurdux: If by intrinsically you mean other things being equal, then yes. But it's rare that thigns are equal. And the end of the race, the better admin will have the better system. |
| 02:22.30 | Guerin | Gnurdux: a sufficiently incompetent admin can fuck up either OS |
| 02:22.35 | dendrite | s/thigns/things/ |
| 02:22.39 | widrone | Guerin: Sure it did, just a slow one. He is turning, becomming petrefied as we speak! ;) |
| 02:22.40 | Guerin | Gnurdux: the difference is it's harder to do on linux |
| 02:22.49 | Gnurdux | a sufficiently incompetent admin can fuck up any OS |
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| 02:23.07 | Gnurdux | Guerin, linux is pretty easy to fuck up.... |
| 02:23.08 | Guerin | Gnurdux: windows makes it easy, though |
| 02:23.15 | Guerin | Gnurdux: not really. |
| 02:23.17 | Gnurdux | think about forkbombs |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | yeah .. my mom knows about forkbombs |
| 02:23.31 | Gnurdux | most distros don't use ulimits by default |
| 02:23.32 | Guerin | Gnurdux: forkbombs are just a DOS |
| 02:23.34 | Guerin | no big deal |
| 02:23.42 | Gnurdux | abrotman, how? |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | Gnurdux: she's l337 |
| 02:23.56 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 02:24.12 | Guerin | her nick is mr5br0tm4n |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | Gnurdux: forkbombs aren't security risk .. it's just going to hang the machine |
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| 02:24.29 | Gnurdux | true |
| 02:24.41 | Gnurdux | might be bad if you have a web server tho |
| 02:25.01 | Gnurdux | hopefully if you have a server you're security-conscious |
| 02:25.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:25.38 | abrotman | another troll ? |
| 02:26.05 | dendrite | Gnurdux: Do you understand that security is not a product or an end result, but a process? |
| 02:26.35 | Gnurdux | dendrite, i guess... i'm less secure than i probably should be |
| 02:26.52 | dendrite | Gnurdux: security is a tradeoff, usually. |
| 02:27.16 | Gnurdux | for convienience, or performance, or whatever? |
| 02:27.21 | dendrite | Gnurdux: The only way to be secure is to continuously work to improve your security. |
| 02:27.34 | dendrite | Gnurdux: Yes, or admin time, or management wants it coded now... |
| 02:27.37 | Gnurdux | thats why i aint an admin |
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| 02:29.38 | syd67ro | hello. I've just installed debian as linux26. what is the name of the ncurses utility which allows me to choose which packages to install. (it was shown after the installation, but I bypassed it and now I want to return to it). |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | tasksel .. but you don't really want to use it |
| 02:30.20 | dendrite | syd67ro: Try aptitude |
| 02:30.27 | Gnurdux | tasksel chooses big groups of stuff, its helpful if you are new to linux |
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| 02:32.50 | sandman | Is there any way to have Linux use Windows drivers? Or should I just wait for ReactOS to stabilize for this |
| 02:33.04 | Gnurdux | depends for what |
| 02:33.07 | Gnurdux | for wireless, yes |
| 02:33.15 | sandman | ndiswrapper, right? |
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| 02:33.25 | Gnurdux | you might be surprised, the kernel has plenty of drivers for lots of stuff |
| 02:33.32 | Gnurdux | but yea, ndiswrapper for wifi cards |
| 02:33.34 | sandman | I know. |
| 02:33.46 | Gnurdux | what is this driver for/ |
| 02:34.04 | sandman | Well, I was just thinking to myself how I could eliminate Microsoft completely. |
| 02:34.09 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | by using windows drivers ? |
| 02:34.13 | Gnurdux | what hardware do you have? |
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| 02:34.58 | Gnurdux | sandman, what hardware do you have> |
| 02:34.58 | sandman | abrotman: Well, ReactOS is promising as it's opensource, could eventually have *nix compatibility somehow, perhaps also Xen virtualmachining |
| 02:35.10 | sandman | Gnurdux: Linux works great for me. I have all my hardware configured properly |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | this has what to do with debian and/or windows ? |
| 02:35.22 | Gnurdux | then why would you need windows drivers? |
| 02:35.31 | sandman | Gnurdux: *I* am great. I was just curious if debian could use windows drivers somehow |
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| 02:35.50 | sandman | Gnurdux: Because many people are too lazy to configure their system, or learn new things. |
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| 02:36.09 | odla | sandman: you could write a driver |
| 02:36.21 | Loof | Anyone know if there is a target for iSCSI or AOE that can share out a DVD burner? |
| 02:36.29 | Gnurdux | sandman, actually most distros come with most drivers for a much larger amount of hardware then you might give them credit for |
| 02:36.37 | Gnurdux | look at menuconfig drivers section |
| 02:36.51 | sandman | Gnurdux: I'm aware :) |
| 02:37.08 | Loof | sandman: What h/w? |
| 02:37.15 | Gnurdux | so using the windows drivers will probably make things more difficult, and maybe won't work |
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| 02:39.07 | PumpkinPie | wheres the log of when something goes wrong and it pops up in the console |
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| 02:39.43 | d0uglas | i've been wondering the same thing, pum'kin' |
| 02:39.44 | odla | /var/log/ ? |
| 02:39.52 | amphi | PumpkinPie: /var/log/syslog ? |
| 02:40.18 | d0uglas | but i see a lot of stuff in syslog that doesn't pop up in the console |
| 02:40.38 | d0uglas | and vice versa |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | you can change that |
| 02:41.02 | amphi | d0uglas: you can prevent almost all messages from appearing in console with dmesg -n1 |
| 02:41.04 | RogerBacon | guy's, im happy, my first kernel panic :) |
| 02:41.13 | ArkoldThos | lol |
| 02:41.19 | d0uglas | dmesg -n1, eh... thanks i'll try that |
| 02:41.41 | RogerBacon | stupid vfs. |
| 02:42.14 | dendrite | RogerBacon: kernel panics are often a sign of hardware trouble. |
| 02:42.49 | RogerBacon | dendrite :no, just morron user, missing some vfs option (i have compiled my own kernel) |
| 02:43.27 | d0uglas | ... of course, now that microsoft is teaming up with novell for linux, we can rest assured that hardware producers will step up their linux support |
| 02:43.27 | abrotman | !pebkac |
| 02:43.27 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 02:43.39 | dendrite | abrotman: That wasn't very nice... =) |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | truth hurts ? |
| 02:44.13 | RogerBacon | haha, a link specialy for me, tanks guy's :) |
| 02:44.26 | d0uglas | heh pebkac |
| 02:44.37 | dendrite | d0uglas: Or, that if you're not using SUSE, you'll get sued for patent infringement. |
| 02:45.06 | d0uglas | at least with sco you don't have to worry about $699 licensing fees, right |
| 02:45.16 | d0uglas | s/sco/suse |
| 02:46.04 | d0uglas | funny how they tried to soften the blow to the consumer by setting the price a dash below $700 |
| 02:46.39 | dendrite | d0uglas: That was just the instincts of a used car salesman coming out... |
| 02:46.56 | d0uglas | i thought that was a little tongue in cheek of them |
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| 02:47.24 | dendrite | Fortunately, that's all off-topic. :-) |
| 02:47.31 | d0uglas | right. |
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| 02:48.47 | d0uglas | let's see, why else did i come here other than to troll.. Ah yes. I got a cd burner, a dvd player that supports divx, and i got a 900 meg avi. Do I need to split this sucker in half somehow? Overburn? |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | split |
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| 02:50.29 | d0uglas | all right, split.. is there some kind of flag or option to get pico to go into binary mode so i can scroll down a bunch and cut a bunch of lines and save as a different file, etc, or is there a more powerful app for this? |
| 02:50.45 | dendrite | pico??? <shudder> |
| 02:50.58 | wireddd | I wouldn't do that in pico |
| 02:51.12 | d0uglas | why not? you can control v to skip through faster |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | d0uglas: read the god damn man page |
| 02:51.15 | dendrite | d0uglas: I'm not sure you can just cut a divx stream file arbitrarily and expect it to work... |
| 02:51.32 | d0uglas | which man page |
| 02:51.38 | d0uglas | i'll read it |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | man split .. duh |
| 02:51.50 | abrotman | see kids .. this is why drugs are bad |
| 02:51.52 | d0uglas | split, no shit.. ok.. thanks |
| 02:51.53 | dendrite | d0uglas: Video comes in frames, and some video uses interframe compression, so you'd get a mess... |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | he can glue it back together! |
| 02:53.06 | dendrite | d0uglas: Are you expecting the second half to play properly in a video device? or are you just trying to archive, to later reconstitute by joining the pieces? |
| 02:53.09 | gimmulf | Anyone with experience of dovecot? Wonder if i need to create Maildir/ myself in Mail/ to get it running |
| 02:53.10 | d0uglas | hey this man page ain't so bad.... i've been wondering if this was possible for years and i didn't even have to apt-get anything,... nice |
| 02:53.25 | asg | abrotman: I thought 'man split == goatse.cx' ? |
| 02:53.32 | d0uglas | dendrite: with the pico stuff i was just trying to be a schmuck |
| 02:53.43 | dendrite | d0uglas: Sure you were. |
| 02:53.51 | d0uglas | i'm trying to watch a flick without buying a dvd burner |
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| 02:54.11 | d0uglas | ... but not on a computer |
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| 02:54.29 | dendrite | d0uglas: Then you may need a divx aware tool to split the file. |
| 02:54.33 | d0uglas | but this split thing seems like it'll solve my problms |
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| 02:54.44 | abrotman | asg: not funny! .. you need to stop hanging out with dave2 |
| 02:54.55 | wireddd | d0uglas, you need to apt-get the transcode package I believe, it contains a util avisplit |
| 02:54.57 | Sheazsche | does debian have poor hardware support due to it still using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:55.10 | dendrite | Sheazsche: No. |
| 02:55.11 | Sheazsche | ive got a newer laptop |
| 02:55.12 | asg | Sheazsche: it's had support for 2.6 for a long time |
| 02:55.13 | d0uglas | wireddd: will do, thanks |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | read the install manual .. and be amazed .. 2.6 GOODNESS! |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | !tell Sheazsche about ig |
| 02:55.18 | Sheazsche | on really? |
| 02:55.37 | asg | Sheazsche: yes, the installation media provides a 2.6 install as well as the default 2.4 install. |
| 02:55.43 | wireddd | d0uglas, that package also has avimerge |
| 02:55.57 | Sheazsche | excellent! |
| 02:56.09 | d0uglas | you the man |
| 02:56.36 | d0uglas | i could use that if one day i get a dvd burner and want to stitch my three gone with the wind avis into one |
| 02:56.46 | d0uglas | s/gone with the wind/godfather |
| 02:57.36 | Sheazsche | is there a way i can check if the minimal cd supports my network card? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ i have a realtek 8168 which few linux distros recognize |
| 02:58.29 | d0uglas | sheazche: your best bet, at least from my experience, is to get the freshest business card net install image from http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer ... toward the bottom are the dailies/nightlies |
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| 02:58.55 | wireddd | Sheazsche, the buisness card cd is less than 50 megs |
| 02:59.11 | d0uglas | it's totally k-rad |
| 02:59.26 | Sheazsche | why use the business one? the 100mb proly has better support? |
| 02:59.44 | d0uglas | hey as long as you got some bandwidth you may as well treat yourself to the freshest stuff |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | the netinst has enough to get a running system |
| 02:59.50 | wireddd | it just has more of the installation packages |
| 02:59.53 | d0uglas | either way you're going to download what you use |
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| 03:00.13 | yos | You'll need jetty or tomcat installed, not just the JRE. wich one i install beter ? |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | i don't think jetty even exists anymore |
| 03:00.55 | yos | tomcat is the choise then ? |
| 03:01.01 | abrotman | choice |
| 03:01.13 | d0uglas | hey he's a .nl guy |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | yos: apt-cache search jetty .. is it there ? |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | d0uglas: so what's your excuse ? |
| 03:01.29 | d0uglas | ... touche |
| 03:01.33 | yos | my english no so good :(( guy`s sorry |
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| 03:02.12 | yos | [04:00:02:] <freeone3000> Personally, I'd just install the .deb package they give you. |
| 03:02.12 | yos | [04:00:07:] <freeone3000> SINCE IT"S A .DEB PACKAGE |
| 03:02.32 | d0uglas | ? |
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| 03:02.47 | yos | what he try to say Debian have .DEB PACKAGE off tomcat ? or jetty |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | !tell yos about grounding |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | yos: apt-cache search tomcat |
| 03:03.17 | yos | i have tomcat |
| 03:03.29 | yos | search for jetty i get no Info. |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | so what's your choice ? |
| 03:04.01 | yos | where i paste ? |
| 03:04.09 | yos | pastebin.ca ? |
| 03:04.44 | yos | http://www.osflash.org/red5 any body know this stuff ? |
| 03:04.53 | yos | i try to run`it |
| 03:04.57 | Sheazsche | omg it uses 2.6.8? thats OLD |
| 03:05.04 | itchi | For an dual core, should i not need to install an special kernel? |
| 03:05.40 | yos | http://pastebin.ca/242300 |
| 03:05.53 | dendrite | Sheazsche: That is the install kernel, but you'd likely move to a more recent one after the install. |
| 03:06.08 | yos | wich tomcat pkg i install ? |
| 03:06.16 | Sheazsche | yea well i DOUBT it will recognize my network card |
| 03:06.18 | dendrite | Sheazsche: Or, look for the etch installer... That's what we're currently *testing* for the next release. |
| 03:06.27 | Sheazsche | i dont know how to compile kernels either |
| 03:06.44 | abrotman | Sheazsche: then use another distro |
| 03:06.50 | yos | can i paste 3 lines ? |
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| 03:07.04 | Sheazsche | no. |
| 03:07.06 | Sheazsche | i want debian |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | then i guess you've got some learning to do |
| 03:07.19 | Sheazsche | its debian or suicide |
| 03:07.25 | dendrite | Sheazsche: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | we'll miss you |
| 03:07.28 | yos | The one the .deb depends. dpkg handles it all. |
| 03:07.32 | Sheazsche | do i seriously need to learn how to compile a kernel? |
| 03:07.36 | Ronin | heh abrotman |
| 03:07.48 | dendrite | Sheazsche: No. Look to the newer version of debian. |
| 03:07.52 | Ronin | Sheazsche: no |
| 03:07.53 | yos | abrotman i need " The one the .deb depends. dpkg handles it all. " |
| 03:07.53 | abrotman | Sheazsche: you'll have to find out how to get support for your NIC |
| 03:07.58 | gimmulf | Can someone please explain to me where i should set mail_location in dovecot |
| 03:08.02 | telexicon | ok so ive been having some problems during boot... debian spits out a bunch of errors while booting up |
| 03:08.05 | abrotman | yos: okay .. and ? |
| 03:08.09 | yos | abrotman i need " The one the .deb depends. dpkg handles it all. " is about tomcat install pkg |
| 03:08.13 | telexicon | i can paste my boot.log |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | yos: stop repeating |
| 03:08.33 | yos | the java guy`s ask .deb depends. |
| 03:08.36 | yos | sorry |
| 03:08.37 | Ronin | telexicon: if you use pastebin.ca |
| 03:08.58 | telexicon | well i certainly wouldnt paste it here |
| 03:09.10 | Ronin | telexicon: you'd be surprised :) |
| 03:09.17 | telexicon | its like 200 lines |
| 03:12.00 | telexicon | well during init of lvm it complains about not being able to access partitions hd[b-d][1-20] ... which dont exist |
| 03:12.25 | itchi | abrotman: Was that not that smp package for an duo core? Looks now an transition package now |
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| 03:12.45 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | use smp for core duo |
| 03:13.11 | itchi | abrotman: okay ;-) |
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| 03:16.33 | george | what's the difference between core duo and dual core? |
| 03:16.49 | abrotman | coreduo is an intel name .. dual core is generic |
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| 03:17.04 | bobby | I'm looking for an open source app to do network diagrams on |
| 03:17.12 | abrotman | dia |
| 03:17.13 | bobby | I've used a really nice one before but I can't remember the name :( |
| 03:17.26 | abrotman | bobby: dia |
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| 03:17.37 | george | so for example you could have mips, sparc, dec alpha, amd dual core |
| 03:17.47 | bobby | damn ubuntu |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 03:18.13 | george | well if you really feel that way, you could try debian |
| 03:18.23 | yos | Starting Tomcat 5 servlet engine using Java from /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/: tomcat5.5. |
| 03:18.29 | bobby | george, believe me I usually do |
| 03:18.41 | bobby | it really gets to me that they can't even keep their dep trees in order |
| 03:18.42 | george | it's up to you, you probably already know the differences and details |
| 03:18.53 | george | they can't? |
| 03:18.58 | george | in their stable dist? |
| 03:19.02 | bobby | dia is in conflict |
| 03:19.05 | bobby | indeed |
| 03:19.07 | george | or do they have such a thing :) |
| 03:19.17 | george | well you could just build it |
| 03:19.21 | george | or build its package |
| 03:19.23 | bobby | stable unstable! whats the difference!? |
| 03:19.25 | bobby | lol :P |
| 03:19.29 | bobby | yeah I'll do that |
| 03:19.30 | george | un |
| 03:20.04 | george | anyway I'm goin to marin... |
| 03:20.12 | bobby | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.13 | bobby | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.16 | abrotman | bobby: if your ubuntu is broken .. ask #ubuntu |
| 03:20.16 | bobby | ^^ haha :p |
| 03:20.20 | Cas | Sorry to ask this question, but I'm a little bit confused by the cdimage server. I would like the jigdo file of the etch netinst iso, could somebody please direct me to the right place? |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | Cas: don't bother |
| 03:20.43 | Cas | abrotman: why? |
| 03:20.44 | bobby | abrotman, ubuntu is always broken :| *walks away* |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | bobby: then install debian .. stop asking us about ubuntu problems |
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| 03:21.04 | george | netinsts are small enough you can just get them |
| 03:21.06 | bobby | I wasn't asking you about ubuntu problems |
| 03:21.19 | george | well you can do that anyway... up to you. |
| 03:21.28 | abrotman | Cas: the netinst are currently borken |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | bobby: you just pasted ubuntu brokenness in here |
| 03:21.45 | Cas | george: not with my connection, browsing the cdimage server takes minutes per page :( |
| 03:21.52 | abrotman | you could have asked ##linux how to find that app |
| 03:22.11 | Cas | abrotman: I see, isn't there an older etch netinst iso? |
| 03:22.16 | Cas | that works |
| 03:22.17 | abrotman | all broken |
| 03:22.27 | abrotman | Cas: get the CD1 via BT |
| 03:22.37 | bobby | abrotman, and you could stop flaming some one |
| 03:22.40 | abrotman | Cas: install all to the drive .. then use http sources |
| 03:22.57 | abrotman | bobby: you could stop being a flipping moron? you're asking about another OS in #debian |
| 03:22.59 | george | always do in order: run at least 2 or 3 google searches first... IF no joy, find the -best- place to ask |
| 03:23.03 | Cas | I see, one last question, is 32mb sufficent to install? |
| 03:23.14 | george | maybe |
| 03:23.17 | abrotman | etch .. not sure .. the install manual isn't finished yet |
| 03:23.18 | george | I think so |
| 03:23.26 | abrotman | Cas: it was 24MB for sarge |
| 03:23.35 | Cas | abrotman: I will go to sarge |
| 03:23.36 | george | you can always netinstall sarge and upgrade |
| 03:23.38 | abrotman | Cas: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 03:23.40 | Cas | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:23.40 | bobby | abrotman, no I didn't, I asked about a diagram package which is distro independant. now stop flaming |
| 03:23.41 | abrotman | Cas: that's for etch |
| 03:23.50 | Cas | george: also thank you |
| 03:23.55 | abrotman | bobby: stop pasting your broken OSes crap in here .. go to #ubuntu |
| 03:24.27 | george | dist-indep? but specific to linux? ---> #linux :) |
| 03:24.31 | bobby | well, I'm out |
| 03:25.39 | abrotman | Cas: still says 24MB for etch |
| 03:26.42 | Cas | abrotman: I will download CD1 then :) |
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| 03:28.08 | ralf` | Is anyone interested in ruby on rails? |
| 03:28.24 | telexicon | http://pastebin.ca/242326 |
| 03:28.33 | telexicon | that is my boot log |
| 03:28.40 | g333k | is there any issue with thunderbird? it started to closing suddenly and receiving mails duplicated |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | g333k: check the BTS |
| 03:28.53 | telexicon | could anybody help me get rid of those errors? |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | are you using LVM? |
| 03:29.44 | telexicon | yes |
| 03:29.57 | abrotman | does LVM2 even work on a 2.4 kernle ? |
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| 03:30.21 | telexicon | apparently it does |
| 03:30.40 | abrotman | for whatever reason . lvm2 is trying to use those partitions |
| 03:30.54 | telexicon | hmm... well debian set it up for me |
| 03:31.03 | telexicon | it was in the installer |
| 03:31.09 | abrotman | any reason you're not using a 2.6 ? |
| 03:31.17 | telexicon | i havnt updated yet |
| 03:31.28 | telexicon | i just installed recently |
| 03:32.36 | g333k | when do I have to move to iceweasel and icedove? Do I have to replace firefox and thunderbird? |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | when they're available to you |
| 03:34.42 | rubyLover | xb |
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| 03:35.10 | Detox_at_home | anyone have a good link for building a webserver with etch? |
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| 03:37.07 | dendrite | Detox_at_home: Hmm. It's actually dirt-simple to do... |
| 03:37.32 | Detox_at_home | I always get stuck with mysql setup |
| 03:37.36 | Guerin | `daptitude install apache2 |
| 03:37.41 | dendrite | Detox_at_home: That may not help much though, eh? :-) Do you have etch up and running? |
| 03:37.43 | Detox_at_home | never get the password settings correct |
| 03:37.44 | Guerin | Detox_at_home: that's not a webserver |
| 03:38.02 | Detox_at_home | ok did not say it right |
| 03:38.08 | Detox_at_home | apache works fine |
| 03:38.18 | dendrite | Detox_at_home: Well, database servers are *not* dirt-simple... |
| 03:38.23 | Detox_at_home | need mysql, and email |
| 03:38.42 | Guerin | Detox_at_home: #mysql is your friend |
| 03:38.44 | Detox_at_home | mysql always hangs up |
| 03:38.48 | Detox_at_home | ok |
| 03:38.49 | Detox_at_home | thatnks |
| 03:38.53 | Detox_at_home | will go there |
| 03:38.54 | Detox_at_home | now |
| 03:38.58 | Detox_at_home | have a great night |
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| 03:39.44 | g333k | abrotman, when will be that day? |
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| 03:39.55 | abrotman | when it comes ... |
| 03:40.27 | telexicon | well i will fix it |
| 03:40.38 | telexicon | i wonder why it includes so many modules |
| 03:40.45 | telexicon | i wouldnt ever use most of these |
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| 03:41.20 | abrotman | no .. you wouldn't |
| 03:41.28 | yos | ./red5.sh |
| 03:41.28 | yos | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/red5/server/Standalone |
| 03:41.35 | yos | what is rong ? |
| 03:41.41 | Guerin | yos: solution: don't use java |
| 03:41.52 | dendrite | Hee hee. |
| 03:41.55 | yos | red5 ask for it |
| 03:42.01 | Guerin | yos: don't use red5 |
| 03:42.06 | dendrite | yos: #java |
| 03:42.19 | telexicon | java annoys me |
| 03:42.26 | dendrite | telexicon: Ditto. |
| 03:42.36 | Guerin | javatards annoy me |
| 03:42.42 | dendrite | !smite java |
| 03:42.49 | dendrite | How apropos. |
| 03:42.50 | Guerin | them being people who think they need java but are too stupid to actually make it work |
| 03:43.05 | telexicon | well there are many programs that require java |
| 03:43.19 | dendrite | telexicon: More's the annoyance... |
| 03:43.22 | Guerin | telexicon: and none of them are actually necessary to a full and wholesome existence |
| 03:43.32 | abrotman | there's a difference between an applet and a webapp server |
| 03:43.34 | Guerin | *none* of them |
| 03:43.37 | telexicon | well if you go that far |
| 03:43.44 | telexicon | neither is a computer altogether |
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| 03:43.56 | dendrite | telexicon: HERESY!!! ;-) |
| 03:44.00 | Cas | abrotman: this is the right one right? debian-testing-i386-binary-1.jigdo |
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| 03:44.50 | abrotman | i wouldn't use jigdo .. but yeah |
| 03:45.02 | telexicon | it wasnt my idea |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | yes it was |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | you made cas use jigdo |
| 03:45.28 | telexicon | how did i manage that? |
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| 03:45.48 | Cas | abrotman: tnx, jigdo is very nice if you are in a country like China with a really bad backbone |
| 03:46.02 | yos | i kick java users ass only stupid girls theer :) |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | telexicon: same way you got LVM to try to use your CD as part of a volume :) |
| 03:46.10 | abrotman | Cas: ah .. perhaps |
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| 03:46.15 | yos | wich one is my CLASSPATH |
| 03:46.17 | yos | ? |
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| 03:46.24 | yos | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/red5/server/Standalone |
| 03:46.26 | JohnQ | whats the apt command to clear out the /var/cache/apt pile? |
| 03:46.33 | abrotman | maybe you should stop trying to use java |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 03:46.36 | Guerin | yos: don't fucking ask us |
| 03:46.41 | telexicon | by letting the installer set it up for me? |
| 03:46.44 | Guerin | yos: this has *nothing* to do with debian |
| 03:47.00 | yos | Guerin fuck java users to |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | telexicon: oh come now .. don't be coy .. you did it intentionally .. just to watch LVM try to grow the CD drive :) |
| 03:47.17 | Guerin | yos: you're one, so you just fucked yourself, without me even telling you to! |
| 03:47.26 | telexicon | hey now |
| 03:47.38 | JohnQ | I managed to free up some space. I' |
| 03:47.45 | yos | Guerin you provok me ..is no nice dud |
| 03:47.45 | JohnQ | I'll see if I can get purge to work. |
| 03:47.57 | telexicon | lets all |
| 03:47.58 | dendrite | JohnQ: clean. apt-get clean |
| 03:48.01 | Guerin | yos: see what java does to people? |
| 03:48.01 | telexicon | have a cookie |
| 03:48.07 | abrotman | !tell JohnQ about deborphan |
| 03:48.14 | yos | yes make them crezzy :) |
| 03:48.40 | yos | or they dont help Debian users :) laike me |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:48.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:48.45 | dendrite | yos: Java makes us barf. Please go away with that nastiness. |
| 03:49.12 | yos | barf ? |
| 03:49.19 | telexicon | dance |
| 03:49.20 | Guerin | !barf |
| 03:49.20 | dpkg | BLECCH |
| 03:49.31 | telexicon | its a russian dance? |
| 03:50.10 | telexicon | why does it do this |
| 03:50.16 | telexicon | i have rejected all the other things |
| 03:50.27 | telexicon | yet it still tries to use hd[b-d] |
| 03:50.40 | telexicon | nonsense im changing kernels |
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| 03:52.13 | abrotman | dendrite: you're a closet java lover :) |
| 03:52.21 | Pons | does any of you know a guy named "nettoxic"? |
| 03:52.22 | dendrite | abrotman: Ummmm.... NO. |
| 03:52.34 | telexicon | ive wondered |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | Pons: /whois nettoxic |
| 03:52.44 | telexicon | how can java possible be as slow as it is? |
| 03:52.46 | dendrite | abrotman: I have stories of java drones taking over the place where I worked. It was straight out of a horror movie. |
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| 03:52.48 | telexicon | possibly* |
| 03:52.57 | Pons | abrotman, that is for asking the server, i'm asking YOU |
| 03:53.12 | abrotman | Pons: he went to my last birthday party |
| 03:53.18 | abrotman | dendrite: hehe |
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| 03:53.54 | abrotman | holy crap .. njit does exist! |
| 03:54.23 | dendrite | abrotman: Sort of similar to this: http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/99633.aspx |
| 03:54.30 | Guerin | abrotman: is tghere an ejit? |
| 03:54.41 | abrotman | eh ... nfc .. but there is njit! |
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| 03:56.56 | abrotman | dendrite: i've seen that! |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | dendrite: i mean .. IRL :) |
| 03:57.12 | dendrite | abrotman: I've lived that. :-( |
| 03:57.21 | abrotman | dendrite: you're Java Guru ? |
| 03:57.39 | dendrite | abrotman: If only. I could tie companies up in knots then... |
| 03:57.58 | dendrite | abrotman: I was the Perl guy, alas... |
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| 03:58.01 | abrotman | i worked at a .com .. what fun |
| 03:58.17 | dendrite | abrotman: What was *your* business model? |
| 03:58.24 | abrotman | but it was at the tail end of the .com era |
| 03:58.28 | abrotman | dendrite: they had one! |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | dendrite: but the C*Os made a lot of bad deals .. threw away a lot of salary |
| 03:59.00 | dendrite | abrotman: Well, then it wasn't a proper .com, then was it??? =) |
| 03:59.31 | dendrite | abrotman: Ah, wasting money counts toward .com creds... |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | dendrite: well .. when i first got there they had no business plan :) |
| 03:59.47 | abrotman | dendrite: at least that i could see anyways |
| 03:59.59 | abrotman | dendrite: but they had lots of blinky lights in the serverroom! |
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| 04:00.12 | dendrite | abrotman: what was the, uh, "product" ? |
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| 04:00.16 | yos | let see any body know how to install "red5" ? |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | dendrite: websites .. duh :) |
| 04:00.20 | dendrite | abrotman: Blinkenlights!!! |
| 04:00.25 | abrotman | yos: NO NOONE DOES |
| 04:00.48 | abrotman | dendrite: they were selling canned sites to banks .. it wasn't a horrible idea .. also doing call center stuff for the banks |
| 04:01.20 | dendrite | Ah. Wow. Ya coulda beena contenda! |
| 04:01.42 | abrotman | dendrite: i vaguely remember coding something related to like 10 second loan processing/approval over the web .. some bean thing .. it was a long time ago .. i have the code around here somewhere |
| 04:02.10 | dendrite | abrotman: Maybe you were just ahead of your time. |
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| 04:02.42 | abrotman | dendrite: perhaps .. the fun part was converting a few hundred pages from asp to php ;) |
| 04:03.01 | dansushi | i'm having a crapload of troublt with apt-get. it keeps geiving me this error, saying i can't install something unrelated to anything i'm actually trying to do on apt-get. it says that some packages have unmet dependencies. So i tried installing the program it said i needed, and it said to do that i needed to uninstall a previous version. So i try to do that, and it gives me the same error as in the beginning? Anyone have any idea what |
| 04:03.01 | dansushi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.11 | dendrite | abrotman: In preparation to convert from php to java, no doubt... |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | !paster |
| 04:03.12 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | dendrite: nope .. no java .. |
| 04:03.29 | abrotman | dendrite: i even got them to dump mssql to go to pgsql! |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | debian on sparcs .. what fun! |
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| 04:04.06 | dendrite | abrotman: Nice. I was able to get in on the ground floor and just startes with pg. |
| 04:04.12 | dendrite | started, even. |
| 04:04.26 | dendrite | dansushi: What flavor of debian? |
| 04:04.45 | dansushi | dendrite: what do you mean? |
| 04:04.46 | abrotman | dendrite: oh .. pgsql was the DB i knew .. but they were using mssql .. |
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| 04:05.01 | dendrite | dansushi: What version of linux are you using? |
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| 04:05.08 | SpaceFrog | hi all |
| 04:05.17 | dansushi | dendrite: debian..? |
| 04:05.26 | SpaceFrog | Where can i find an ISO of Debian that will install onto a SATA drive? |
| 04:05.28 | dansushi | do you mean like unstable or something? |
| 04:05.30 | dendrite | dansushi: Debian what? Debian has several variants. |
| 04:05.55 | SpaceFrog | Debian Sarge with SATA support, i mean |
| 04:06.09 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: which controller ? |
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| 04:06.32 | dansushi | dendrite: i have etch |
| 04:06.43 | SpaceFrog | abrotman: i dont know, whatever is onboard.. someone linked me to an ISO that was hacked for sata support, newer kernel, but i cant find it now |
| 04:06.52 | dendrite | dansushi: Sounds like you've mixed up sources... |
| 04:06.56 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 04:07.03 | dansushi | dendrite: i've tried fixing them |
| 04:07.06 | buu | Hrm. Is there anything that really depends on /etc/hostname? |
| 04:07.13 | dendrite | I gotta go, talk to y'all later. |
| 04:07.17 | yos | http://dl.fancycode.com/red5/debian/0.6rc1/red5_0.6rc1-1_i386.deb |
| 04:07.24 | dansushi | dendrite: doesn't work. I need some way to reset apt-get or something like that |
| 04:07.24 | yos | how do i install this ? |
| 04:07.49 | SpaceFrog | thanks abrotman: that's the one i was looking for |
| 04:08.07 | abrotman | enjo |
| 04:08.08 | abrotman | y |
| 04:08.09 | dansushi | yos: what is the deb file for? |
| 04:08.17 | yos | red5 |
| 04:08.27 | dansushi | i mean, what does red5 do? |
| 04:08.28 | yos | is a chat stuf web cam ... |
| 04:08.45 | yos | working with java and tomcat ... |
| 04:08.51 | dansushi | o cool |
| 04:09.03 | abrotman | yos: you can stop now :) |
| 04:09.05 | dansushi | well, can't you just download that file and then install with kpackage? |
| 04:09.07 | yos | how i install .deb |
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| 04:09.20 | yos | show me command |
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| 04:09.29 | dansushi | if you doubleclick, it should automatically work |
| 04:09.29 | abrotman | yos: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 04:09.36 | yos | after i get red5_0.6rc1-1_i386.deb |
| 04:10.06 | dansushi | wait.. yos, are you totally non-gui? |
| 04:10.49 | yos | tar zxvf red5_0.6rc1-1_i386.deb ? will work |
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| 04:11.08 | bobby | and that is the cup for another year |
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| 04:11.57 | basix | i'm getting this message in dmesg: program scsi_unique_id is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO. what does it mean? |
| 04:11.58 | abrotman | !tell yos about grounding |
| 04:12.01 | abrotman | !tell yos about refcard |
| 04:12.17 | yos | me no good english |
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| 04:12.35 | abrotman | i bet the refcard comes in dutch |
| 04:12.55 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/refcard-nl-a4.pdf |
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| 04:13.42 | yos | tell me the command to run |
| 04:13.48 | abrotman | no .. go read |
| 04:14.29 | yos | no englis |
| 04:15.06 | basix | my system has been locking up and i think that message is the key! |
| 04:15.10 | basix | someone? |
| 04:15.30 | abrotman | maybe ask #kernel |
| 04:15.36 | itchi | The touchpad of the laptop is so slow, need to many finger jumps to reach an corner.I have look there in the Mouse section of Gnome; but here it looks it will not apply. Still so sloz |
| 04:15.48 | yos | abrotman :) |
| 04:16.11 | yos | i go google`it :) |
| 04:16.31 | g3brown | I had an account in /etc/shadow that look like 'backuppc:!:' I gave it a passwd and now I want to remove it. |
| 04:16.52 | g3brown | I assume that was like an account that couldn't log in and now it can. |
| 04:17.18 | itchi | yos: Some time on #debian-nlt's funny |
| 04:17.28 | abrotman | g333k: man passwd |
| 04:17.47 | g333k | abrotman, ? |
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| 04:17.57 | itchi | yos: yeah, -nl |
| 04:19.34 | itchi | What's control the speed of movement of the mouse? |
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| 04:20.11 | byigoul | hmm |
| 04:20.19 | byigoul | how can i also compress hidden files and directories (.whatever) into a .tar.gz archive |
| 04:20.21 | g3brown | abrotman: is passwod -l what I'm looking for? |
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| 04:20.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:20.51 | abrotman | !prize g333k |
| 04:20.55 | abrotman | !prize g3brown |
| 04:20.56 | abrotman | :) |
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| 04:29.29 | icyfire0573 | I've been trying to use the QODBC driver in QT4. It dosen't seem to be complied in (In the Debian packages). I've tried searching for it on Google and all I find is comments by tora (presumably a package for Debian). Has anyone gotten the ODBC driver for QT4 working, or know of a site that makes getting the driver for Debian (ETCH/testing) easy/easy to follow steps? |
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| 04:32.30 | bobby | tar -xvvzf store.log.31.gz |
| 04:32.40 | bobby | returns errors |
| 04:32.41 | bobby | tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 04:32.41 | bobby | tar: Skipping to next header |
| 04:32.41 | bobby | tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
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| 04:32.57 | Guerin | bobby: you're retarded |
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| 04:33.24 | icyfire0573 | haha, untarring a zip file, its a good call on his part :-D |
| 04:33.41 | Guerin | it's not a zip file |
| 04:33.45 | icyfire0573 | gzip |
| 04:34.22 | icyfire0573 | a file zipped by what I've only assumed to be GNU Zip or a zip file (in the unixy type) |
| 04:34.40 | bobby | gzip -d |
| 04:34.41 | bobby | thansk |
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| 04:35.30 | icyfire0573 | yep |
| 04:37.31 | g333k | Hi, I want to load phpmyadmin... but when I put http://localhost/phpmyadmin in firefox it ask me to download it, why? |
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| 04:37.58 | compudaze | did u install the php package? |
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| 04:38.13 | compudaze | phpmyadmin package or install it yourself? |
| 04:38.19 | g333k | compudaze, yep, apache2, php5, mysql5 and phpmyadmin |
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| 04:38.44 | compudaze | restart apache2 to make sure changes took effect |
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| 04:39.21 | g333k | compudaze, what php pkg do you mean? php5 ? or another lib? |
| 04:39.29 | JordiGH | Hm, does the stuff in Marillat allow one to play DVDs from no matter where? |
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| 04:40.18 | compudaze | if you installed php5, it should have installed, libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 04:40.56 | compudaze | if not, install it |
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| 04:41.17 | g333k | compudaze, I'm installing it... |
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| 04:41.40 | JordiGH | !css |
| 04:41.41 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
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| 04:41.42 | compudaze | also need mysql-server installed |
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| 04:44.56 | g333k | compudaze, I installed but I still have the same problem |
| 04:46.07 | compudaze | did u restart apache? |
| 04:46.40 | g333k | compudaze, yeap |
| 04:46.52 | g333k | compudaze, How can I know is the module is enabled? |
| 04:46.57 | compudaze | in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled -- make sure php5.load and php5.conf is listed |
| 04:46.57 | icyfire0573 | did you enable mod-php5 ? |
| 04:47.02 | stf- | I'm having a problem installing libpango, it gives me - libglib2.0-0: Conflicts: libpango1.0-0 (< 1.11) but 1.8.1-1 is to be installed |
| 04:47.11 | compudaze | if not, a2enmod php5 |
| 04:47.15 | compudaze | will enable it |
| 04:47.19 | compudaze | then u restart apache2 |
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| 04:49.20 | JordiGH | stf-: If you're using aptitude, it should eventually suggest a solution where it will attempt to upgrade to a later version of libpango... but this error message you see shouldn't happen unless you're using testing or unstable or backported something. |
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| 04:50.35 | g333k | compudaze, Ok.. now I see those modules listed... but I still can load phpmyadmin |
| 04:51.29 | stf- | JordiGH: how can I make sure I'm using only stable? (or switch back to stable) |
| 04:52.38 | JordiGH | stf-: Hm. What does /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 04:53.53 | JordiGH | Once you go etch, you can never... retch. |
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| 04:54.14 | stf- | JordiGH: It has two entries for testing and unstable mirrors |
| 04:56.06 | JordiGH | stf-: I see. My guess is that you installed something from unstable, and now something else requires stuff from unstable, but earlier stuff from testing is blocking it. Do you really want to go back to using stable? That's going to be difficult/impossible. :-/ |
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| 04:57.25 | g333k | compudaze, /j #joomla |
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| 04:57.51 | stf- | JordiGH: Ah I see. It's just that most of the stuff wants me to upgrade to Xorg but I haven't been able to get Xorg to work on this machine yet. |
| 04:59.11 | PumpkinPie | how do I expand the column width on the screen? |
| 05:00.27 | JordiGH | stf-: How did you get into this fine mess to begin with? :-) |
| 05:02.09 | yos | my RED5 is working |
| 05:02.41 | yos | i kick Java users ass :) |
| 05:02.46 | yos | thanks to Debian |
| 05:02.52 | stf- | JordiGH: Basically like you said, I installed something from unstable, then tried to upgrade to Xorg and couldn't get it to work so I went back to XFree |
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| 05:04.40 | JordiGH | stf-: Going back is really hard, unfortunately, Why couldn't you get X.org working? Did you try hard enough? |
| 05:04.44 | sanmarcos | !test |
| 05:04.44 | dpkg | No, sanmarcos, you're not online any more. |
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| 05:07.23 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | hello dose any one here know how to make a batch file in debian |
| 05:07.58 | vulture | 'batch file'? |
| 05:08.08 | stf- | JordiGH: I think it's a driver problem with my video card (Matrox). It was giving some memory errors and then refusing to start. But it looks like I'll have to try again... |
| 05:08.14 | dondelelcaro | |[HP]|SgtDuke: batch files don't exist. You write shell scripts or other programs which do things. |
| 05:08.34 | JordiGH | |[HP]|SgtDuke: Do you mean a shell script? |
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| 05:09.20 | grendal_prime | im having a virtual memory issue withen a virtualized(via qemu) windows 2000 installation...anyone familar awith qemu? |
| 05:09.42 | grendal_prime | nobody is answerin in #qemu by the way |
| 05:09.48 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | weell im not shure i have a program with a lot of commands i have to type in every time i want to run it and i would like to just type one word and doit all |
| 05:10.07 | JordiGH | Shebang, bin, bash! |
| 05:10.16 | JordiGH | Sounds like Batman onomatopeia. |
| 05:10.44 | grendal_prime | ya sounds like bash issue to me |
| 05:11.23 | vulture | |[HP]|SgtDuke: yep, like JordiGH said, you want a shell script. Probably bash (that's probably the shell you're using) |
| 05:11.45 | JordiGH | |[HP]|SgtDuke: Grab a file. Make the first line in the file read "#!/bin/bash" (no quotes). Then type in the commands you want executed. Save the file, change its permissions to 755, execute them with ./filename if it's in your current directory or with the full pathname if it's not. |
| 05:11.58 | odla | grendal_prime: how much ram are you giving it? |
| 05:12.19 | odla | grendal_prime: what's the error it's spitting out at you too.. |
| 05:12.48 | grendal_prime | im giving it 128 megs |
| 05:12.55 | grendal_prime | the laptop has 256. |
| 05:12.59 | odla | oh |
| 05:13.10 | odla | you probably can't run a guest os then |
| 05:13.17 | odla | you should have more ram i think |
| 05:13.27 | grendal_prime | the error is actuall in the windows portion, it says that i dont have enough virtual mem. |
| 05:13.44 | grendal_prime | it runs, and i had another installtion of this that ran fine on this machine ...was a few moths back. |
| 05:14.33 | grendal_prime | however, i used the qcow format as the partion type, and this time i used the raw format. the raw seems to run much faster, however it seems as though it used all 2 gigs for the install? |
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| 05:14.50 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok so how do i know if i have bash installed? |
| 05:15.07 | grendal_prime | im just wondering if there is a way to set a new partioin for the virutal memory. |
| 05:15.26 | wols_ | |[HP]|SgtDuke: dpkg -l bash |
| 05:15.31 | grendal_prime | SgtDuke, you more than likely have it installed |
| 05:15.34 | JordiGH | |[HP]|SgtDuke: You probably do. But "env | grep SHELL" should confirm it. |
| 05:15.39 | wols_ | but you always have bash installed if you run debian and didn't uninstall it manually |
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| 05:15.59 | JordiGH | |[HP]|SgtDuke: bash is the command line. |
| 05:16.09 | wols_ | JordiGH: just cause he has it installed, doesn't mean he's running it right now |
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| 05:16.37 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok im gonna try it thanks |
| 05:16.54 | grendal_prime | its werid odla ...this installation actually runs very fast with only 128 megs of ram |
| 05:17.16 | grendal_prime | it just bitches about not haveing...anything for virtual memory. |
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| 05:17.31 | JordiGH | wols_: If he's asking about "batch files" it seems safe to assume he doesn't know enough to use something besides bash. :-) |
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| 05:21.19 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok now how do i change permisions to 755 |
| 05:21.30 | wols_ | man chmod |
| 05:21.38 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok thanks |
| 05:21.41 | JordiGH | chmod 755 thefile |
| 05:21.51 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | thanks |
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| 05:23.05 | grendal_prime | maybe you should just install a windows-ish desktoppy thing...like kde, then you can right click on stuffes and then just set permissions? |
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| 05:24.28 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | weell hotdam its working thanks jordigh |
| 05:24.54 | theplateau | my system isnt recognizing my right alt key or right shift key |
| 05:24.59 | theplateau | anyone know how i can fix this? |
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| 05:25.24 | JordiGH | |[HP]|SgtDuke: At some point, you should investigate ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 05:25.41 | JordiGH | theplateau: You mean in X? |
| 05:26.10 | JordiGH | |[HP]|SgtDuke: Those files contain some simple examples of shell scripts you should check out. |
| 05:26.21 | JordiGH | (And they actually do something useful.) |
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| 05:27.00 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok thats in depian right |
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| 05:28.10 | JordiGH | Hm, not sure. I think I've seen it in RedHat too. They're the shellscripts bash runs each time a user starts bash up. |
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| 05:29.15 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok thank you very much man |
| 05:29.22 | g333k | maybe offtopic... about installing Joomla: the directory and files inside the joomla directory must be property of the root user? or a common user? |
| 05:29.53 | sanmarcos | how do I set a timeout for an inactive root interactive shell? |
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| 05:31.14 | JordiGH | sanmarcos: In that vein, I'd like to turn off the timeout in an OpenBSD cshell. :-) |
| 05:31.44 | sanmarcos | JordiGH: I did it with bastille, so I know that it is possible through some unix app |
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| 05:32.47 | JordiGH | What's bastille? |
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| 05:41.48 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, wesnoth is a fun turn-based hex military wargame in a fantasy setting with influences from Tolkein, Final Fantasy, and other sources. http://wwww.wesnoth.org |
| 05:41.48 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 05:41.58 | JordiGH | !info wesnoth |
| 05:42.10 | dpkg | wesnoth: (fantasy turn-based strategy game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.1.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1944 kB, Installed size: 4304 kB |
| 05:43.14 | JordiGH | dpkg, nexuiz is a back-to-basics deathmatch game, originally based on the Quake 1 engine but since heavily modded and customised, completely GPLed, including data files. |
| 05:43.14 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 05:43.38 | JordiGH | !info nexuiz |
| 05:43.44 | dpkg | nexuiz: (A 3d network deathmatch game), section games, is optional. Version: 2.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 581 kB, Installed size: 1432 kB |
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| 05:52.43 | blackelf | against waht report a bug in kde shortcut keys |
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| 05:59.38 | bhundven | other then memtest86, what is a good way to check for memory issues? |
| 05:59.53 | compudaze | memtest86+ |
| 06:01.11 | bhundven | guess I should have said memtest86(+). They both came up clean, but I know there is some issue with my new laptop memory. Every os I put on this thing works great for about 2 minutes (max) and then hangs. |
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| 06:01.58 | Guerin | why do you know it's memory? |
| 06:02.09 | Guerin | as opposed to cpu. heat, other |
| 06:02.17 | bhundven | everything worked great until I upgraded it |
| 06:02.33 | Guerin | upgraded the memory? |
| 06:02.38 | bhundven | right |
| 06:02.48 | compudaze | did you run memtest for hours? days? |
| 06:02.50 | Guerin | got the right frequency, etc? |
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| 06:04.25 | bhundven | well. this isn't the best laptop in the world. I'm about to kick the f**er to the curb. it's an averatec 3517-eh1. I ran memtest for 12 hours with no errors. You can't set the memory timings in bios, nor any other setting then time, boot order, and power management |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:04.48 | Guerin | averaGEtech |
| 06:05.07 | bhundven | POStech |
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| 06:05.23 | Guerin | sounds like a sales software company |
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| 06:05.34 | Guerin | or program |
| 06:05.35 | bhundven | I guess I'll take the memory out and give it to my sister |
| 06:05.45 | bhundven | tell her "Good Luck" |
| 06:05.51 | Guerin | which is designed to run on windows 3.1 |
| 06:05.58 | bhundven | ha |
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| 06:13.48 | odla | xp is suprisingly fast on qemu :D |
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| 06:16.31 | insmod | anyone know why a key would suddenly become something else? my zero won't print a zero bin the current X but works on the TTY's |
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| 06:18.25 | dondelelcaro | insmod: xmodmap could do it |
| 06:18.50 | dondelelcaro | insmod: check to see what xmodmap -pk|less; prints out. |
| 06:19.04 | insmod | dondelelcaro: k |
| 06:19.10 | sanmarcos | is it possible to have a server which handles user accounts for clients? Ie I login at my shell, but that really logs in by using hte user db in the server |
| 06:19.19 | sanmarcos | kinda like windows does when set up with a domain controller or whatever its called |
| 06:19.34 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes; you can do it using ldap, nis or any other way using pam. |
| 06:19.58 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thank you! |
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| 06:21.37 | insmod | dondelelcaro: looks ok |
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| 06:22.19 | insmod | dondelelcaro: when i hit zero it aks like a mouse click -- worked fine before -- and works on all other tty's |
| 06:22.37 | insmod | acts |
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| 06:29.33 | secher | This is just fragging wierd. I've got horde3 in and seemingly configured. the test.php script tells me that everything is fine except the mail mime config. However, when I go to /localhost/horde3 it routes me to packages.debian.org/web/horde3 page. If I do localhost/horde3/login.php it gives me the login page, and when I enter my login, it routes me to the same page on debian.org. Does anyone know what's happening here? T |
| 06:29.34 | secher | here are no log files for me to look at. |
| 06:29.39 | secher | Dammit |
| 06:29.51 | secher | Does anyone know whats happening here? |
| 06:31.42 | bhundven | patience is a virtue |
| 06:33.34 | buu | Hrm. If I have: mysql-server 4.0.24-10sarge, how do I know which mysql-dev to install? I get the following choices: libmysqlclient14-dev libmysqlclient12-dev libmysqlclient10-dev |
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| 06:33.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:33.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:35.11 | bhundven | buu: I'd check which packages libmysqlclient14-dev, 12-dev, and 10-dev depend on. |
| 06:35.31 | buu | hrm |
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| 06:36.18 | bhundven | buu: 12-dev, btw |
| 06:37.43 | buu | Oh, really? |
| 06:38.00 | buu | Hrm. |
| 06:38.09 | buu | 5.8.4 |
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| 06:38.55 | buu | Now here's an entertaining question, what's a sane way to replace the system perl? |
| 06:38.59 | buu | A backport? |
| 06:41.17 | buu | dondelelcaro: You alive? |
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| 07:00.30 | xjkx | i watch mms:// videos, i mean, online ones, on a tv's website of my country, but i'd like to download it :> isnt there a software for it? |
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| 07:03.34 | ThomasPorter | xjkx: Just change mms:// to http:// |
| 07:03.43 | ThomasPorter | Should come up as a download |
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| 07:10.49 | xjkx | ThomasPorter, it opens the plugin and play it |
| 07:10.57 | xjkx | wget http~ didnt work too |
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| 07:12.36 | mrwoody_ | hi *. Does anyone know if this is an IRQ conflict: 17: 1 IO-APIC-level ohci_hcd:usb1, NVidia CK8S |
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| 07:14.16 | bmgz | I have a prob, I need to apply security updates on Sarge so I do this -> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade I am getting errors about deps, something to do with the php4 packages? can I use the -f option? |
| 07:14.46 | Guerin | bmgz: you're using 100% sarge? |
| 07:15.01 | bmgz | yep |
| 07:15.24 | bmgz | from 3.1r2 cd 1 |
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| 07:18.19 | bmgz | Guerin: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TAmGme83.html |
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| 07:25.36 | Guerin | Benton: do what it says |
| 07:25.40 | Guerin | bah |
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| 07:38.43 | xjkx | Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument |
| 07:38.43 | xjkx | Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. |
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| 07:39.13 | xjkx | bash: /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq: no such file or directory |
| 07:39.16 | xjkx | what o.o |
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| 07:41.54 | Magilla | anyone know how to read the headers from a .deb file when dpkg-deb isn't available? |
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| 07:51.06 | sanmarcos | THE KEY WONT UNLOCK THE DOOR!! |
| 07:52.10 | unlink | i have linux-image-2.6.1{6-2,8-1}-686 listed as being removed, but not purged. dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.16-2 errors out, though |
| 07:52.41 | unlink | it modifies /boot/grub/menu.lst, but then returns an error code and doesn't change the package database |
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| 07:52.59 | lindenle|home | unlink: what is the error |
| 07:53.45 | unlink | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 07:55.02 | lindenle|home | unlink: Hmm not much info there |
| 07:55.58 | unlink | dpkg.log is similarly unhelpful |
| 07:56.51 | lindenle|home | unlink: I guess you would have to extract the package and have a look at why the post-removal script is barfing |
| 07:57.28 | unlink | extract it? |
| 07:57.43 | lindenle|home | unlink: yeah or check the bug reports... |
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| 07:58.04 | lindenle|home | unlink: basically unpacking and having a look at what the error code actually means |
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| 07:59.49 | unlink | you mean the deb that's not on my system? |
| 08:00.11 | kblin | hi |
| 08:00.16 | unlink | as in, apt-get source linux-blah |
| 08:00.17 | lindenle|home | unlink: you can't get the source anymore |
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| 08:00.32 | lindenle|home | unlink: thats what I was thinking |
| 08:00.33 | kblin | say, is that just on my box or is the current apache 2.2 in etch leaking memory like hell? |
| 08:00.54 | unlink | weird |
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| 08:01.19 | lindenle|home | unlink: well it is just that the erro is kind of useless |
| 08:01.29 | lindenle|home | unlink: what releas is it in anyway |
| 08:01.36 | lindenle|home | s/releas/release/ |
| 08:01.36 | wols_ | you can if it was a debian kernel |
| 08:01.38 | wols_ | !snapshots |
| 08:01.38 | dpkg | [debian snapshot] http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 08:02.27 | unlink | does cpudyn work with more than one cpu? |
| 08:02.44 | unlink | lindenle|home: etch |
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| 08:03.38 | lindenle|home | unlink: I dont see it in the rpository still |
| 08:05.22 | lindenle|home | unlink: but it is on snapshots |
| 08:05.24 | unlink | how do i find the scripts? |
| 08:05.37 | unlink | dpkg-deb -x only gives me the files |
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| 08:06.59 | lindenle|home | unlink: I am grabbing it let's see what it says in the script |
| 08:07.04 | Magilla | anyone know how to read the headers/version info from a .deb file when dpkg and dpkg-deb aren't available? |
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| 08:08.15 | lindenle|home | unlink: actually not sure it will be obvious |
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| 08:08.30 | unlink | how do i kill the listing in my package database? |
| 08:08.44 | yojimbo-san | I read that the GNU coreutils won't allow hard-linking a directory; but I think I want to try :-) How could I do it? |
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| 08:10.59 | unlink | /* If true, allow the superuser to *attempt* to make hard links to directories. However, it appears that this option is not useful in practice, since even the superuser is prohibited from hard-linking directories on most (all?) existing systems. */ static bool hard_dir_link; |
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| 08:12.13 | floats | I have installed Debian and I am on my first boot and cannot get past domain:/etc# can any one help me? |
| 08:12.16 | lindenle|home | unlink: /var/lib/dpkg/status , but i have never edited it by hand |
| 08:12.44 | lindenle|home | floats: did you run taskel and install stuff? |
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| 08:15.02 | floats | lindele I am sorry I dont understand your question |
| 08:15.22 | floats | what is taskel |
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| 08:15.33 | floats | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.46 | lindenle|home | floats: at the end of the install there should have been a page that asked if you wanted to install i.e. Desktop Environment |
| 08:16.00 | floats | no that never came up |
| 08:16.16 | lindenle|home | floats: can you try running it now 'taskel' |
| 08:16.33 | lindenle|home | floats: what version of the installer did you use |
| 08:16.35 | floats | I just got the prompt for user name and password |
| 08:16.45 | cydork | lindenle|home: it's tasksel |
| 08:16.54 | lindenle|home | cydork: danke |
| 08:17.02 | unlink | yonkeltron: it crobably won't work |
| 08:17.17 | lindenle|home | floats: !tasksel |
| 08:17.19 | yonkeltron | yonkeltron: what? |
| 08:17.22 | lindenle|home | !tasksel |
| 08:17.23 | dpkg | it has been said that tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
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| 08:17.53 | nowec|away | Is libdbd-mysql-perl all I need in order to connect to a MySQL-database from a perl script? |
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| 08:18.26 | floats | lindenle you want me to enter tasksel ? |
| 08:18.57 | lindenle|home | unlink: I noticed an interesting option for dpkg '--force- remove-reinstreq' |
| 08:19.13 | lindenle|home | floats: yes just type it, and you should get a blue screen with some options |
| 08:19.15 | floats | I cannot up date because it doesn't recongnize my USB port connection to the router |
| 08:19.31 | lindenle|home | floats: ok, now ere are on the hunt |
| 08:19.47 | unlink | lindenle|home: it's removed though, just not purged |
| 08:19.48 | floats | ok lindele thanks and please dont go away! |
| 08:20.15 | lindenle|home | floats: so you do not have a network card that is working. What installation image did you use, b/c the full cd image has many opf the packages on it |
| 08:20.42 | lindenle|home | unlink: so all that is left is the entry and /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.16 ? |
| 08:20.52 | lindenle|home | s/opf/of/ |
| 08:21.25 | unlink | lindenle|home: /lib/modules/2.6.16* doesn't exist |
| 08:21.39 | lindenle|home | unlink: So it mostly did purge it |
| 08:21.45 | floats | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:21.59 | unlink | lindenle|home: it's simple dangling around in my package database |
| 08:22.14 | lindenle|home | unlink: I think I should let someone with better expertise on dpkg advise you on editing the database by hand, sorry not an expert. |
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| 08:22.27 | lindenle|home | floats: ok a full cd image? |
| 08:22.50 | lindenle|home | floats: I guess we can go two ways |
| 08:22.59 | floats | its 108 mb |
| 08:23.08 | lindenle|home | floats: Oh ok so the net install image |
| 08:23.08 | unlink | i'm having a strange issue where the script in /etc/modprobe.d/ doesn't seem to be run at system startup |
| 08:23.25 | lindenle|home | floats: i guess we should get the network going first then |
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| 08:23.28 | unlink | the line is install ipw3945 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ipw3945; sleep 0.5; /sbin/ipw3945d --quiet |
| 08:23.36 | floats | I got the blue sreen |
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| 08:23.51 | floats | with sorftware selection |
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| 08:23.59 | floats | sorftware sorry |
| 08:24.04 | floats | software |
| 08:24.15 | lindenle|home | floats: what happens when you select something and proceed ( I guess without network you won't get very far) |
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| 08:24.41 | floats | well I was here already and I just said to auto install |
| 08:24.51 | floats | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.01 | floats | which I dont have |
| 08:25.05 | chius | Hi!!! a question, I am using a debian desktop and I am trying to configure my laserjet 5 via jetdirect (network card) and cups. I filled all the fields but I get always a cancelled job |
| 08:25.08 | lindenle|home | floats: right |
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| 08:25.21 | chius | I use the HP/jetdirect protocol |
| 08:25.24 | lindenle|home | floats: so we should get the network going and then you can pull packages that way |
| 08:25.37 | chius | and later de socket://192.168.1.104:9100 |
| 08:25.45 | floats | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.48 | chius | this is the IP of my printer |
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| 08:26.37 | lindenle|home | floats: You lost me, I was under the impression that your debian install does not appear to have a working network connection. |
| 08:26.42 | floats | Lindenle you think you can get the machine to recognize the USB as the internet port |
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| 08:27.24 | lindenle|home | floats: are you connecting via usb to an ethernet card or doing usb networking |
| 08:27.52 | floats | I have XP on this machine and internet via USB but the Debian instlall only looks at ethernet or dialup |
| 08:27.56 | floats | USB networking |
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| 08:28.39 | lindenle|home | floats: hmm, I am definitely no epert at usb networking |
| 08:28.42 | chius | using the raw queue protocol it works but doesnt print in the right way |
| 08:28.54 | lindenle|home | floats: do you have any devices if you do /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 08:29.14 | lindenle|home | floats: maybe this will help |
| 08:29.21 | lindenle|home | floats:http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToSetUpUsbNetworkingDebian |
| 08:30.07 | floats | jezz thanks lindenle I'll go there now |
| 08:30.24 | lindenle|home | floats: so first I think you need to get the usbnet module l oaded |
| 08:30.43 | lindenle|home | floats: And i think you probably want to use dhcp instead of static if the usb goes to a router |
| 08:31.35 | floats | yes dhcp |
| 08:31.37 | chius | any idea about jetdirect and cups |
| 08:31.57 | lindenle|home | floats: so first try lsmod | grep usbnet |
| 08:32.02 | lindenle|home | and see if it is loaded |
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| 08:32.42 | lindenle|home | floats: BTW I am just guessing here b/c I do not have a device like this |
| 08:32.44 | nowec|away | Is libdbd-mysql-perl all I need in order to connect to a MySQL-database from a perl script? |
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| 08:34.13 | floats | lindele: ok let me try this lsmod what is the next symbol? |
| 08:34.16 | lindenle|home | nowec|away: I have libdbd-mysql and libdbd-mysql-perl and it works for me. |
| 08:34.22 | lindenle|home | !pipe |
| 08:34.22 | dpkg | | |
| 08:35.29 | lindenle|home | floats: sorry it is the pipe it redirects the standard output of one program to the standard input of another program |
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| 08:35.35 | lindenle|home | floats: in this case we are listing modules and searching th list for a module called usbnet |
| 08:35.39 | unlink | all right, powernowd supports smp |
| 08:36.11 | floats | ok lindenle thank for bearing with me |
| 08:36.40 | lindenle|home | floats: np that is what Debian is all about...pass it forward |
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| 08:37.50 | floats | thank you lindenle |
| 08:38.28 | floats | ok lsmod got me a list of devices |
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| 08:38.39 | lindenle|home | floats: see usbnet? |
| 08:38.52 | nowec|away | lindenle|home: ok, thanks! |
| 08:39.52 | lindenle|home | nowec|away: I only have use DBI(); in front matter...hope it works for you. |
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| 08:40.12 | nowec|away | lindenle|home: I was planning on using the DBI-connector |
| 08:40.32 | floats | no USB net I ahve usb-uhci and usbcore |
| 08:41.16 | lindenle|home | floats: ok the first one represents your usb host controller, so that is good. Maybe you should try loading the usbnet |
| 08:41.23 | lindenle|home | floats: modprobe usbnet |
| 08:42.03 | floats | ok |
| 08:42.14 | lindenle|home | nowec|away: Now that i look at it I am not exactly sure what perl library i use I also have libdbi-perl and libdbi |
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| 08:42.54 | nowec|away | lindenle|home: hmm ok... hehe |
| 08:42.59 | Malagmyr | I am getting an error on one of my virtual machines, saying "i8253 count too high! resetting..", repeatedly, in the kernel log. It doesn't actually affect anything, but I'd like to fix it none the less. This post http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/01/msg00633.html says I should disable aspci. How do I go about doing that? Never heard of anything called aspci. Misspelled? |
| 08:43.11 | nowec|away | I'll just have to find an example code and try it :) |
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| 08:43.29 | lindenle|home | nowec|away: good luck |
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| 08:44.05 | floats | lindenle|home: I got usb.c: rgistered new driver usbnet |
| 08:44.26 | lindenle|home | floats: that sounds promising. |
| 08:44.40 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.47 | floats | I got my fingers crossed |
| 08:44.58 | lindenle|home | flots: ifconfig -a and see if you have any usb0 type network devices |
| 08:45.13 | floats | ok |
| 08:46.18 | lindenle|home | floats: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 08:46.50 | frex | how can i obtain the config for a kernel from the sarge release? |
| 08:46.53 | floats | lindenle|home: I got link encap:Local Loopback. . . |
| 08:47.19 | floats | ok lindenle|home: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 08:50.22 | floats | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.50 | lindenle|home | floats: ok that is just the local loopback address it is not really related to what we are trying to do |
| 08:51.07 | floats | RX Pacjets:132 errors:0 dropped |
| 08:51.08 | cydork | frex: check the /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 08:51.18 | floats | ok I'll stop copying |
| 08:51.29 | lindenle|home | floats: I looked at usbnet a bit more and it appears that we need to pick a minidriver not just usbnet , so can you give me any info on the device you are connected to? |
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| 08:51.39 | lindenle|home | !paster |
| 08:51.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:51.44 | lindenle|home | floats: FYI |
| 08:52.29 | lindenle|home | !paste |
| 08:52.29 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 08:53.31 | floats | Yes its a USB 1.0 |
| 08:53.51 | lindenle|home | floats: I mean is it a cable router or something |
| 08:54.38 | floats | 2 wire NAT router 1700hg Gateway |
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| 08:56.40 | lindenle|home | floats: Is gateway the brand |
| 08:57.02 | lindenle|home | floats: or 2wire |
| 08:57.26 | floats | No 2 Wire is the brand 1701Gateway is the model |
| 08:58.05 | floats | 1701HG Gateway |
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| 08:59.27 | lindenle|home | floats: and you connect the router to the machine via usb right? |
| 08:59.56 | floats | yes |
| 09:00.20 | floats | with cat 5 cable to usb 1.0 |
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| 09:01.02 | lindenle|home | floats: one end is cat 5 and the other is usb? |
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| 09:02.31 | lindenle|home | floats: maybe the cdc_ether module wil do it |
| 09:02.41 | lindenle|home | floats: modprobe cdc_ether |
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| 09:04.45 | eggleston | lindenle|home, sorry, just interested here. does this mean it's not in fact a USB network but simply an attached USB router that connects to the internet? |
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| 09:05.24 | floats | ok modprobe cdc_ether |
| 09:05.25 | lindenle|home | eggleston: I guess it is a dsl router that connects to the PC via usb |
| 09:05.43 | lindenle|home | eggleston: any thoughts? |
| 09:06.00 | lindenle|home | http://www.2wire.com/?p=106 |
| 09:06.42 | eggleston | lindenle|home, can it be connected by Ethernet instead? that's 400x easier and many DSL routers have both USB and Ethernet support. |
| 09:06.44 | floats | lindele: can't locate module cdc_ether |
| 09:06.46 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.09 | lindenle|home | floats: hmmm, uname -r |
| 09:07.21 | floats | wait one for sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 09:07.21 | lindenle|home | floats: can you answer eggleston's q |
| 09:07.33 | floats | yes |
| 09:07.39 | Malagmyr | I am getting an error on one of my virtual machines, saying "i8253 count too high! resetting..", repeatedly, in the kernel log. It doesn't actually affect anything, but I'd like to fix it none the less. This post http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/01/msg00633.html says I should disable aspci. How do I go about doing that? Never heard of anything called aspci. Misspelled? |
| 09:07.56 | lindenle|home | Malagmyr: maybe it means acpi? |
| 09:08.19 | eggleston | Malagmyr, if it aint broke dont' fix it lol |
| 09:08.25 | floats | No this a good machine but Pentium 2 no ethernet port or card just 2 USB ports |
| 09:08.50 | Malagmyr | eggleston: well, it's not exactly broken, but it does make a lot of noise. you'd fix your car if it did that, wouldn't you? |
| 09:09.03 | Malagmyr | lindenle|home: hm.. i'll try disabling that. can't hurt. |
| 09:09.05 | eggleston | Malagmyr, not me mate, i'm poor!!! hahaha |
| 09:09.29 | floats | lindenle: what do you want me to do first /sbin/ifconfig -a or username -r ? |
| 09:09.31 | eggleston | Malagmyr, tried uncle google? |
| 09:10.01 | Malagmyr | that's where I found the post. it's a common problem on virtual machines. many questions, few answers. |
| 09:10.27 | cydork | Malagmyr: which type of virtual machine is this? |
| 09:10.27 | lindenle|home | floats: I was just curious what kernel you have |
| 09:11.08 | Malagmyr | cydork: m$ virtual server 2005 r2 |
| 09:11.12 | floats | lindle: kernel as in what |
| 09:11.18 | Malagmyr | cydork: and no, i can't do anything about that |
| 09:11.24 | Malagmyr | cydork: :/ |
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| 09:11.37 | lindenle|home | floats: the kernel is the heart of the operating system, it is what is actually called linux |
| 09:11.45 | lindenle|home | uname -r |
| 09:11.50 | lindenle|home | !kernel |
| 09:11.52 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.2, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc4-git12, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc4-mm2 |
| 09:12.05 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 09:12.11 | cydork | Malagmyr: hehe then i have no idea about it :) |
| 09:12.19 | eggleston | lindenle|home, how long have 18.2 been out? |
| 09:12.19 | Eclipser | apache2 on sid is totally borked now, time to switch away from it :p |
| 09:12.45 | eggleston | so when is etch gettin released or whatever? |
| 09:12.49 | lindenle|home | eggleston: not sure I smoke a hoe roll ;) |
| 09:12.53 | floats | yes ok lindenle : but where do you want me to get this info? |
| 09:12.55 | lindenle|home | s/hoe/home/ |
| 09:12.59 | cydork | !tell eggleston -about wwer |
| 09:13.12 | lindenle|home | floats: type -> uname -r |
| 09:13.28 | floats | ok uname -r |
| 09:13.40 | earthian|v2 | good morning! |
| 09:13.58 | earthian|v2 | i have successfully resized my ext3 partition with sid's parted :D |
| 09:14.04 | cydork | Eclipser: why were you running apache2 on sid in the firstplace? :P |
| 09:14.07 | earthian|v2 | no bugs :) |
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| 09:14.38 | Eclipser | cydork, because I run sid? |
| 09:14.46 | floats | lindenle: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 09:14.50 | eggleston | lindenle|home, you smoke a hoe roll? you mean you're high? i'm not following |
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| 09:15.40 | lindenle|home | eggleston: home rolled kernel |
| 09:16.09 | eggleston | lindenle|home, lol, just like me to expect the strangest translations |
| 09:16.22 | lindenle|home | floats: oh ok, I guess then usbnet is all there is...and if you dont have a usb0 ethernet device im kinda stumped |
| 09:16.25 | cydork | Eclipser: :) |
| 09:16.50 | lindenle|home | eggleston: Sorry about that, the way i type most people would think im high.... |
| 09:16.57 | Eclipser | cydork, if you really care, I don't have any other computer (except this laptop but it doesn't suit for services :) |
| 09:17.35 | floats | lindenle: I see . . . well you've very to help me |
| 09:17.58 | floats | very good I mean |
| 09:18.11 | lindenle|home | floats: I would try google for 2wire and linux |
| 09:18.32 | cydork | Eclipser: use xen :P |
| 09:19.13 | floats | I don't any thing about linux but it doesn't seem like it should be this complicated |
| 09:19.20 | Eclipser | cydork, virtual server? I don't think my box is strong enough to run anything like that :p |
| 09:19.50 | floats | should I try a complet CD then? |
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| 09:20.32 | lindenle|home | floats: Im not sure if it will help, i don't know if usb networking is something the installer looks for. |
| 09:21.27 | lindenle|home | floats: can we look at one more thing? |
| 09:21.30 | eggleston | lindenle|home, lol. |
| 09:21.32 | floats | That what it seemed like to during the install like I said it looke for dial up or ehternet but not USB |
| 09:22.08 | lindenle|home | floats: One advantage would be a newer kernel, which might have more support for wild fancy hardware ...like yours ;) |
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| 09:22.49 | lindenle|home | floats: I would be curious to see what cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 09:22.52 | lindenle|home | says |
| 09:22.54 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 09:22.59 | lindenle|home | or usbview |
| 09:23.00 | Eclipser | etch firefox broke too :p |
| 09:23.09 | floats | ok well I thank you and i am indebted to you for your kindness |
| 09:23.12 | lindenle|home | floats: sorry lsusb |
| 09:23.29 | floats | type lusb? |
| 09:23.30 | cydork | Eclipser: no it's not. |
| 09:23.45 | floats | lsusb ? |
| 09:24.29 | lindenle|home | floats: yeah it will show us if a usb device is detected at all |
| 09:24.44 | coywolf | !search vconfig |
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| 09:25.17 | floats | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 and BUs 0001 Device 002: ID 1630:0042 |
| 09:25.30 | floats | One usb has the router the other nothing |
| 09:25.33 | lindenle|home | floats: nada...those are the controllers |
| 09:25.52 | bmgz | I was having problems earlier with security updates: I was getting dep errors, however apt suggested I use "apt-get -f install" and I was getting some sort of read-only error, I traced this to my /etc/fstab I have the following options for my root partition "errors=remount-ro" so obviously I am having some sort of errors during boot or something? I subsequently remounted / with rw permissions and isssued a "apt-get -f install" and all seems p |
| 09:25.52 | bmgz | eachy. Any suggestions why me root would have mounted read-only during boot? |
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| 09:26.11 | lindenle|home | floats: can you unplug it from usb and plug it back in and then try dmesg |
| 09:26.18 | lindenle|home | s/mesg/dmesg/ |
| 09:26.23 | floats | ok will do |
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| 09:27.49 | eggleston | some guy gave me his IP, and i tried pinging it for testing purposes, and it didn't return a single packet |
| 09:27.58 | eggleston | 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19573ms |
| 09:28.12 | floats | lindenle: disconnecting and reconneting got me a bunch of info |
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| 09:28.21 | lindenle|home | floats: I would also try the etch installer from a full cd image...you might have better luck |
| 09:28.26 | xoz | bmgz: because of errors? |
| 09:28.27 | floats | what part do you want |
| 09:28.28 | Eclipser | cydork, what's not what? |
| 09:28.37 | lindenle|home | floats: can you paste it all in the paster |
| 09:28.42 | floats | yes |
| 09:28.43 | xoz | bmgz: check the logs |
| 09:28.45 | lindenle|home | !tell floats about paster |
| 09:28.54 | Eclipser | cydork, eclipser@slowpoke:~$ firefox |
| 09:28.54 | Eclipser | Segmentation fault |
| 09:28.55 | Eclipser | :) |
| 09:29.08 | coywolf | !vlan |
| 09:29.09 | dpkg | i guess vlan is (virtual LAN) A VLAN is created when a bunch of physically connected ports are grouped together by network hardware that supports VLANs. These VLANs are each treated as completely separate entities and can only be joined together by a router. This scheme is useful for grouping departments together for security and minimizing network traffic. |
| 09:29.24 | eggleston | "From 203.87.84.49 icmp_seq=10 Time to live exceeded" <<----- what does this mean when trying to ping a firne'ds IP? |
| 09:29.27 | cydork | Eclipser: strace it |
| 09:29.46 | floats | past it in the paster? |
| 09:30.06 | lindenle|home | floats: yep then give the ip if the bot doesn'tgive it |
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| 09:30.20 | Eclipser | cydork, would take about 15 minutes to install strace... no time to bother :) |
| 09:30.30 | SlayerXP | 15 minutes? |
| 09:30.35 | floats | now you lost me lindenle |
| 09:30.39 | SlayerXP | on a 2400 baud modem, perhaps/. |
| 09:30.44 | Eclipser | SlayerXP, it's not named slowpoke for nothing |
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| 09:31.38 | lindenle|home | floats:so the paster is a web page and it will give you a link after you paste in the data. Sometimes the bot will send the link to the list sometimes not, if not just paste in the url to the list.Then we can all see it |
| 09:31.44 | lindenle|home | s/ee/see/ |
| 09:33.04 | floats | lindenle: this I am not getting |
| 09:33.27 | lindenle|home | floats: ok go to the web link that dpkg gave you |
| 09:33.55 | floats | ok let me see this dpkg |
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| 09:34.06 | lindenle|home | !paster |
| 09:34.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 09:34.18 | lindenle|home | floats: see the link? |
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| 09:35.48 | cubiq | Does anyone know of a command that will use ldd (or similar) and then copy the dependency files to a defined directory? |
| 09:36.39 | nayyares | my head phone is working fine, i an listen sound from it but MIC is not working? in fact NO echo sound from MIC? |
| 09:36.53 | lindenle|home | nayyares: could the mic be muted? |
| 09:37.12 | lindenle|home | nayyares: using alsa or oss? alsamixer could show you. |
| 09:37.25 | nayyares | lindenle|home, how can i unmute? kmix has enabled |
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| 09:38.08 | lindenle|home | nayyares: Then it is probably not muted, was justa thought But i would check in alsamixer too...;) |
| 09:38.33 | dondelelcaro | buu: ? |
| 09:39.23 | floats | yes lindenle I am there copying the info from the diconnect and reconnect |
| 09:39.34 | lindenle|home | floats: excellent |
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| 09:41.09 | eggleston | how do i find my external IP afress? |
| 09:41.45 | lindenle|home | eggleston: can you ssh to another machine? |
| 09:42.11 | floats | ok lindenle Its pasted |
| 09:42.16 | eggleston | lindenle|home, no idea. i tried ifconfig but it didn't give it to me i don't think. what's ssh? |
| 09:42.27 | floats | where are going to see this? |
| 09:42.38 | lindenle|home | floats: you can paste the url |
| 09:42.51 | lindenle|home | eggleston: ok well there are web pages that can give it to you |
| 09:42.57 | floats | oh ok |
| 09:43.28 | floats | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4394. |
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| 09:43.31 | eggleston | lindenle|home, shouldn't there be just a single command that'll churn it out? |
| 09:43.56 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.01 | eggleston | lindenle|home, i know of 'www.ipchicken.com' but i'd rather it if there was a small command. |
| 09:44.05 | eggleston | lindenle|home, i am |
| 09:44.31 | floats | lindenle you got it? |
| 09:44.45 | lindenle|home | eggleston: my web site can tell you |
| 09:44.50 | lindenle|home | floats: nope |
| 09:44.57 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.06 | Folke | Hi, do some know why is there no mention of php4* (4.3.10-18) on the security list? |
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| 09:45.23 | eggleston | lindenle|home, oooooh, someone's a webmaster!!! |
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| 09:45.44 | Folke | I noticed that my servers want that update, but tere is no note about it anywhere? |
| 09:45.44 | floats | ok |
| 09:45.50 | lindenle|home | eggleston: nah |
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| 09:46.44 | floats | How do I get this driver installed? |
| 09:46.55 | eggleston | lindenle|home, is there any app you know of that will monitor if i am getting pinged or portscanned? |
| 09:47.01 | lindenle|home | floats: ok, not so much help, the kernel does not seem to reckognize the device |
| 09:47.09 | lindenle|home | !snort |
| 09:47.10 | dpkg | well, snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 09:47.40 | lindenle|home | floats: I would get a full install cd, I bet you have better luck and I would use etch |
| 09:47.50 | Folke | No one? |
| 09:48.25 | lindenle|home | Folke: I have an email about it |
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| 09:48.49 | lindenle|home | Folke: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:13:12 +0100 |
| 09:48.54 | floats | Alright lindenle once I thank you very much |
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| 09:49.08 | Folke | lindenle|home: Oh, so it's a good update then? |
| 09:49.09 | floats | I will follow your advice |
| 09:49.18 | lindenle|home | floats: I hope you get it going...trust me it will be worth it |
| 09:49.20 | floats | good night |
| 09:49.33 | lindenle|home | Folke: Email is signed and everything |
| 09:49.50 | lindenle|home | Folke: Moritz Muehlenhoff <jmm@debian.org> |
| 09:50.19 | lindenle|home | !tell eggleston about ssh |
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| 09:50.42 | eggleston | lindenle|home, when configuring snort it's asking for the adress range that snort will listen on, i'm guessing that's just my external ip adress? |
| 09:50.43 | walla | hello, i would like to rename a file and the new filename should be the creation time, can anyone point me to a documentation? |
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| 09:51.02 | dondelelcaro | walla: use mv and stat. |
| 09:51.13 | walla | stat? |
| 09:51.32 | dondelelcaro | walla: although, the creation time isn't necessarily kept; you generally only know the ctime. |
| 09:51.35 | lindenle|home | eggleston: Probably it is the address of your network interface but I am not positive |
| 09:51.55 | walla | dondelelcaro where does ctime refere to? |
| 09:52.14 | lindenle|home | eggleston: apt-get install snort-doc |
| 09:52.22 | lindenle|home | !rtfm |
| 09:52.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 09:52.28 | dondelelcaro | walla: UNIX filesystems keep track of three times. Access Time, Change Time, and Modification Time. (atime, ctime, mtime) |
| 09:52.36 | dondelelcaro | walla: man stat; for more information. |
| 09:53.05 | walla | dondelelcaro ok, but what can i do with stat in this matter? |
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| 09:53.38 | lindenle|home | eggleston:http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/318 |
| 09:54.05 | dondelelcaro | walla: mv foofile $(stat -F%Z foofile); FE. |
| 09:54.14 | dondelelcaro | s/F/c/ |
| 09:54.15 | eggleston | lindenle|home, thanks man |
| 09:54.21 | eggleston | !beer lindenle|home |
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| 09:54.45 | lindenle|home | eggleston: dunkle fur mich |
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| 09:55.57 | walla | dondelelcaro does -F stand for Format? |
| 09:56.20 | Malagmyr | I need to apply a small patch to my kernel. I tried grabbing the sources with "apt-get source kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686", but that gave me something with a total size of 99332 bytes. How can I get the entire debian kernel source? |
| 09:56.53 | lindenle|home | eggleston: to tell you the truth unless you have a lot of open ports snort is a lot of overhead for a home machine |
| 09:57.29 | MindCr | Malagmyr, try kernel-source-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 09:57.51 | Malagmyr | do I still use apt-get source for that? |
| 09:57.58 | eggleston | lindenle|home, i'm just learning mate, i don't give a crap if i get hacked |
| 09:58.17 | MindCr | is not necesary i download de source for main |
| 09:58.22 | dondelelcaro | walla: it should be c. man stat; for details. |
| 09:58.29 | MindCr | but the name is kernel-source-.... |
| 09:59.21 | MindCr | Malagmyr, apt-get install kernel-source-.... |
| 09:59.26 | Malagmyr | gotcha |
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| 10:00.04 | wols_ | Malagmyr: for patching, the vanilla kernel is usually better. depends on the patch however |
| 10:00.37 | walla | dondelelcaro i did look already, the old switch -F is probaply --printf=FORMAT |
| 10:01.07 | dondelelcaro | walla: I meant -c, not -F; that's what the s/// line below it was changing. |
| 10:01.16 | Malagmyr | vols_: just gonna comment out a warning that's spamming my logs because I have to run this thing on m$ virtual server. |
| 10:01.20 | eggleston | lindenle|home, do you know what a dangling symlink means? |
| 10:01.38 | lindenle|home | eggleston: means there is a symlink to a file that is no longer there I guess |
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| 10:02.26 | eggleston | lindenle|home, delete? |
| 10:02.31 | lindenle|home | eggleston: maybe..... |
| 10:02.39 | eggleston | lindenle|home, apparently i've been getting messages about it for like a year. |
| 10:03.06 | walla | dondelelcaro this works and gives the unix time, which isnot human readable |
| 10:03.18 | lindenle|home | eggleston: is it a mandb error? |
| 10:03.22 | dondelelcaro | walla: yes, so use date if you want to change it into a human readable time. |
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| 10:03.43 | eggleston | lindenle|home, yes |
| 10:03.53 | walla | dondelelcaro ok, thank you very much |
| 10:04.05 | lindenle|home | eggleston: I guess it is harmless then, not sure if there is a way to clean it up nicely |
| 10:04.32 | eggleston | lindenle|home, meh. so is there an esay way to tell if a file is a symlink or a normal file? |
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| 10:04.57 | dondelelcaro | eggleston: -l is the easy way. |
| 10:05.06 | dondelelcaro | eggleston: test or [ is your friend. |
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| 10:05.21 | lindenle|home | eggleston: ls -l will have an -> if it is a symlink |
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| 10:05.27 | tsuna | Hello folks. |
| 10:05.32 | eggleston | lindenle|home, dondelelcaro thanks. |
| 10:05.35 | lindenle|home | ls -l dog |
| 10:05.36 | lindenle|home | lrwxrwxrwx 1 lindenle lindenle 4 2006-11-07 04:02 dog -> test |
| 10:05.49 | eggleston | does anyone know of a nicer maybe GUI program for reading the mail in /var/mail/user? |
| 10:05.58 | dondelelcaro | [ -l dog ] && echo 1; is what I was getting at; not ls -l. |
| 10:05.59 | tsuna | For some reason, I can't apt-get install g++-4.0 or g++-4.1, I don't understand what's wrong for apt: |
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| 10:06.26 | tsuna | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:06.26 | tsuna | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.27 | tsuna | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.27 | tsuna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:06.29 | lindenle|home | !tell eggleston about sylpheed-claws |
| 10:07.05 | lindenle|home | !tell eggleston about mutt |
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| 10:07.19 | tsuna | Sorry. |
| 10:07.57 | Malagmyr | How can I get the config from kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 into the kernel-source-2.4.27 I got from apt? I just want to apply a patch to the stock kernel. I don't feel I don't want to configure a kernel from the bottom up, as I always seem to leave something out and end up rebuilding it a hundred times. |
| 10:08.22 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.25 | wols_ | Malagmyr: /boot/config-2.4.27 as .config |
| 10:08.26 | tsuna | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4395 |
| 10:08.32 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.39 | Malagmyr | great. thanks. |
| 10:10.10 | ilf | euh, yeah: http://pastebin.ca/raw/242510 |
| 10:10.11 | tsuna | nevermind I found the problem |
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| 10:14.46 | Folke | lindenle|home: Sorry, afk. Phone.. Is that some newslist that you got the mail from? |
| 10:14.47 | nayyares | i did every thing to enable my MIC, but unable to record my voice? beside that headphone is working fine and i can listen voice, please help me out? |
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| 10:15.40 | lindenle|home | Folke: debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:15.49 | lindenle|home | Folke: usual security list |
| 10:16.29 | Folke | lindenle|home: Humm, wierd.. I dindn't get that one.. Perhaps I must look over our spam filter ;) |
| 10:16.39 | Folke | lindenle|home: Thanks for the help! |
| 10:16.42 | lindenle|home | Folke: Is it missing on the debian announce list at debian.org |
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| 10:18.26 | surfbuddy | hello guys... is there a nice pdf viewer in the debian packages |
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| 10:18.53 | dpinte | surfbuddy: evince - xpdf |
| 10:18.59 | Folke | lindenle|home: That's what did me get curious (spelling?) |
| 10:19.09 | surfbuddy | dpinte, does it allow to copy text too ? |
| 10:19.25 | chemaja | surfbuddy, debtags browser in aptitude |
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| 10:19.52 | lindenle|home | Folke: I dont see it there either |
| 10:20.22 | dpinte | surfbuddy: sure with evince, not sure with xpdf |
| 10:20.37 | lindenle|home | Folke: But it was on the 6th and they only have through the 2nd listed |
| 10:20.52 | Folke | lindenle|home: Perhaps a delay.. I can live with that :) |
| 10:21.03 | Folke | lindenle|home: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061106.181312.d36ae33f.en.html |
| 10:21.58 | lindenle|home | Folke: good, I can keep trusting the gpg sig ;) |
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| 10:22.43 | lindenle|home | Who has a new killer app for me? |
| 10:22.47 | lindenle|home | im bored! |
| 10:23.04 | surfbuddy | dpnite, xpdf does not ( just FYI ) |
| 10:23.27 | dpinte | surfbuddy: thanks ;-) |
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| 10:25.05 | jusson | . |
| 10:25.09 | chemaja | lindenle|home, i'm quite enjoying Xfce 4.4 RC1 |
| 10:25.30 | lindenle|home | chemaja: ok ill look on my "play machine" |
| 10:25.36 | chemaja | lindenle|home, just when i thought it was safe to upgrade my P3 600 :) |
| 10:25.58 | lindenle|home | chemaja: funny my "plsy"machine is a pIII too |
| 10:26.00 | chemaja | lindenle|home, i might be able to stretch it's life out to a decade :) |
| 10:26.06 | chemaja | lindenle|home, this is my ONLY machine :D |
| 10:26.17 | chemaja | yea |
| 10:26.21 | jusson | i am running php5 and apache2, but when i want to set a variable value in php.ini, i cannot find the file. why? |
| 10:26.26 | chemaja | kicks the pants off XP |
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| 10:27.01 | lindenle|home | chemaja: my lappy is pretty hot, I am a bit spoiled |
| 10:27.01 | SlayerXP | ? |
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| 10:28.16 | surfbuddy | dpinte, thanks too , through evince I can copy the pdf texts |
| 10:29.09 | cydork | jusson: coz you are not locating it :) |
| 10:29.35 | jusson | cydork: i have tried 'find', starting fr /. |
| 10:30.04 | cydork | jusson: what does locate say? |
| 10:30.11 | KristianLy | exactly what find did you try, anyway? |
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| 10:30.24 | KristianLy | "starting fr /." doesn't make sense to me :) |
| 10:30.25 | jusson | kde 'find'. |
| 10:31.21 | KristianLy | I suggest you use a terminal and type find /etc -name php.ini instead |
| 10:31.37 | jusson | have tried that, its not there. |
| 10:32.16 | jusson | if it is in /etc, it would be in /. |
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| 10:33.20 | x_link | Hi |
| 10:33.27 | x_link | My computer crashed this night. |
| 10:33.35 | x_link | And now I can't access my /mnt/sedde hard drive. |
| 10:33.49 | x_link | It says that it's just readable, can somebody please help me make it read & Writeable ? |
| 10:34.13 | x_link | I wrote down in KEdit how to do it from konsole 2 days ago, but I saved the file in /mnt/sedde. And I can't access that hard drive now. |
| 10:34.18 | x_link | So anybody, please ? |
| 10:34.44 | x_link | I'm using Debian KDE 3.5 kernel 2.6 |
| 10:34.48 | x_link | Testing. |
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| 10:37.06 | SpaceFrog | I'm setting up a fileserver.. can i make a directory in /home/ that can be accessed by everyone? |
| 10:37.20 | SpaceFrog | everyone who connects via samba, that is |
| 10:37.23 | bmgz | I can't seem to pin-point a problem. My root partition has the option "errors=remount-ro", and it seems to be triggered during boot, I can't find any relevant info in /var/log? anybody know where I should look? |
| 10:37.41 | phogg | SpaceFrog: sure. Make it owned by a group you create and add all samba users to that group. |
| 10:37.45 | lindenle|home | bmgz: dmesg |
| 10:37.50 | SpaceFrog | thanks phogg |
| 10:37.52 | lindenle|home | bmgz: look for ide errors |
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| 10:38.16 | bmgz | ext3: No journal on filesystem on ide0(3,1) |
| 10:38.29 | bmgz | ? |
| 10:38.38 | lindenle|home | bmgz: is it ext2 or ext3? |
| 10:38.44 | bmgz | ext3 |
| 10:39.05 | bmgz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.12 | lindenle|home | bmgz: can you try this |
| 10:39.21 | lindenle|home | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 10:39.30 | lindenle|home | you might need device too |
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| 10:39.40 | x_link | Can somebody please help me ? |
| 10:39.46 | x_link | I really need help with that ? |
| 10:39.57 | bmgz | did that and it works, but I don't want it to -ro at boot again |
| 10:40.22 | lindenle|home | bmgz: I guess you need to figure out where the journal went |
| 10:40.34 | bmgz | can I build another? |
| 10:40.53 | lindenle|home | I thin mke2fs has a -j that puts a journal on it |
| 10:40.57 | lindenle|home | !mke2fs |
| 10:40.57 | dpkg | it has been said that mke2fs is the tool to create an ext2 filesystem |
| 10:41.05 | psychoslave | heello |
| 10:41.11 | psychoslave | argh |
| 10:41.13 | psychoslave | hello |
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| 10:41.58 | Jimbaldo | What's up guys. |
| 10:42.13 | psychoslave | ok, I've done three more "new layaout" for the debian website, which once is the better? |
| 10:42.15 | psychoslave | http://psychoslave.free.fr/debian/ |
| 10:42.28 | Jimbaldo | Hmm.. |
| 10:42.30 | Jimbaldo | Go to goatse.. |
| 10:42.31 | Jimbaldo | Hmm.. |
| 10:42.38 | ThomasPorter | Is there some way to remove all resently installed apt packages? |
| 10:42.43 | Jimbaldo | No. |
| 10:42.49 | Jimbaldo | Best just throw your computer out the window. |
| 10:42.51 | Jimbaldo | In fact, give up on life. |
| 10:42.53 | ThomasPorter | k. |
| 10:43.06 | ThomasPorter | Method of surside? |
| 10:43.11 | Jimbaldo | Your mother. |
| 10:43.19 | Jimbaldo | In fact, I believe here her calling now. |
| 10:43.21 | Jimbaldo | She likes calling. |
| 10:43.36 | rob | Jimbaldo: quit trolling |
| 10:43.44 | Jimbaldo | :( Sorry Rob |
| 10:43.47 | Jimbaldo | I tried to stay on-topic |
| 10:43.50 | Jimbaldo | But your fucking friend here |
| 10:43.52 | Jimbaldo | Thomas |
| 10:43.56 | Jimbaldo | He fucks everything up, mayn'g |
| 10:43.59 | rob | Jimbaldo: bs. I just saw you kicked out of two channels |
| 10:44.02 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.05 | Jimbaldo | Oh. |
| 10:44.07 | Jimbaldo | That wasn't me |
| 10:44.10 | Jimbaldo | Impostor, etc. |
| 10:44.12 | chemaja | is there a way with apt/dpkg to do "show me a list of packages for each distribution+component"? |
| 10:44.16 | chemaja | lindenle|home, indeedy |
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| 10:44.35 | chemaja | lindenle|home, "How I learnt to stop worrying and love the Xfce4" |
| 10:44.39 | chemaja | ;) |
| 10:44.42 | Sir_Snuffigans | MY MOTHER WAS GOD UNTIL SHE ATE THE SEA WATER |
| 10:44.54 | Jimbaldo | Me too, bro. |
| 10:45.24 | Jimbaldo | K. |
| 10:45.27 | Sir_Snuffigans | brb, off to get some carrots for my horse |
| 10:45.32 | Jimbaldo | Dude sweet |
| 10:45.39 | Jimbaldo | Fetch me some gofers while you're at it |
| 10:46.01 | Sir_Snuffigans | nah, I'm only going to play mini golf. |
| 10:46.09 | Jimbaldo | Fuck you. |
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| 10:46.20 | Jimbaldo | What's up mayn'g? |
| 10:46.26 | Sir_Snuffigans | you know |
| 10:46.28 | Sir_Snuffigans | the usual |
| 10:46.31 | Jimbaldo | NOT YOU |
| 10:46.32 | Jimbaldo | FAILURE |
| 10:46.35 | Jimbaldo | Psychoslave |
| 10:46.37 | Jimbaldo | That man is so cute |
| 10:46.39 | Jimbaldo | With his lil' tux |
| 10:46.45 | Sir_Snuffigans | /cries in the hole that is #ubuntu |
| 10:46.51 | Jimbaldo | Dude don't go there. |
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| 10:46.54 | cydork | !ops Jimbaldo is trolling |
| 10:46.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Jimbaldo is trolling |
| 10:47.00 | Ronin | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 10:47.07 | psychoslave | Jimbaldo, ? |
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| 10:47.53 | Sir_Snuffigans | !ops Mitz is trolling |
| 10:47.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: sir_snuffigans complains about: Mitz is trolling |
| 10:48.15 | lindenle|home | x_link: mount -o remount,rw /mnt/sedde |
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| 10:57.28 | eggleston | !paste |
| 10:57.28 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:59.05 | CAiRO | hmm, when i try to upgrade my debian stable server with the newsest php4 bugfixes, apt-listbug fails with "W: not in gzip format: php4-curl" what does that mean? |
| 10:59.06 | earthian|v2 | is that correct sentence? :S |
| 11:00.20 | eggleston | if someon'es not busy can they please look at my sources and recommend if they're good enough for security? |
| 11:00.24 | eggleston | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4396 |
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| 11:01.53 | eggleston | i take it everyone's busy then. lol that's cool |
| 11:01.56 | Malagmyr | looks fine to me |
| 11:02.10 | eggleston | Malagmyr, yeah? |
| 11:02.12 | dondelelcaro | eggleston: just be aware that backports can lag behind on security. |
| 11:02.39 | eggleston | dondelelcaro, yeah? they seem pretty important to me though so i guess i'll just have to accept that risk. do most people use backports? |
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| 11:03.01 | Malagmyr | most people are happy with the older versions, I think |
| 11:03.11 | Malagmyr | but if you need what's in the newer ones, you need backports |
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| 11:05.49 | dondelelcaro | eggleston: most people do; it's just something you need to be aware of. |
| 11:06.00 | earthian|v2 | help!! there is a file /.Trash-root/usr/share/man/man8/somefile.gz that i can not delete!! rm -fr that file does not work.. chmod or chown does not work too.. writes "Operation not permitted" |
| 11:06.03 | earthian|v2 | wtf? |
| 11:06.08 | chemaja | bah! i'm guessing it's frowned upon for 3rd-party repos to use "Origin: Debian" in their Release file, yea? |
| 11:06.24 | eggleston | dondelelcaro, thanks for the heads up. |
| 11:06.27 | eggleston | cya round all |
| 11:06.38 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: as root? what does lsatr /.Trash-root/usr/share/man/man8/somefile.gz; output? |
| 11:06.46 | earthian|v2 | as root |
| 11:06.49 | earthian|v2 | wait a sec. |
| 11:06.52 | dondelelcaro | s/lsatr/lsattr/ |
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| 11:07.36 | earthian|v2 | :o |
| 11:07.37 | earthian|v2 | omg |
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| 11:08.02 | earthian|v2 | it outputs smth like this: s--D-a-ZX-j--T- |
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| 11:08.19 | Miesco | How would I make my computer beep after 2.5 minutes then again after half a minute, then again after another half a minute, then keep repeating that |
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| 11:08.39 | freespace | assuming it beeps on POST |
| 11:08.45 | freespace | you reboot it in 2.5 minutes |
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| 11:08.49 | freespace | then in 30seconds |
| 11:08.51 | freespace | and so forth |
| 11:08.52 | freespace | :) |
| 11:09.03 | Miesco | :/ |
| 11:09.37 | chemaja | Miesco, write a shell script with sleep and echo (echoing the beep char) |
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| 11:09.54 | chemaja | Miesco, (i guess) |
| 11:10.18 | chemaja | Miesco, and run it on a VC |
| 11:10.37 | earthian|v2 | dondelelcaro: it outputs smth like this: s--D-a-ZX-j--T- |
| 11:10.55 | utrrrongeeb | Miesco: apt-get install beep (I may have the package name wrong) It gives you more control over the buzzer -- you can set frequency, duration, repeating, etc. Then run info beep to learn to use it. |
| 11:10.56 | earthian|v2 | how do i delete it? |
| 11:11.04 | Miesco | chemaja: Shell scripts can sleep??? |
| 11:11.04 | Miesco | chemaja: cool! I was just about to start a perl script |
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| 11:11.19 | earthian|v2 | and it has -r-xrw-r-- in ls -al |
| 11:11.38 | chemaja | Miesco, :_) |
| 11:11.48 | Miesco | I will just do this: play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Beep.wav |
| 11:12.02 | chemaja | Miesco, that should do it |
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| 11:15.20 | Miesco | In a bash script can you do this: for each argument do this |
| 11:15.53 | Miesco | In perl it would be: foreach @_ { echo $_; } |
| 11:16.26 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: man chattr; to read what those mean; most likely something has happened to screw up that file, since normally no attributes shoudl be set. |
| 11:16.30 | chemaja | Miesco, `for i in foo bar; do echo $i; done' |
| 11:16.45 | Miesco | chemaja: Thanks |
| 11:16.59 | chemaja | Miesco, that's probably my most used bash command ;-) |
| 11:17.05 | chemaja | well... not just echo of course |
| 11:17.36 | Miesco | chemaja: What would I replace foo bar with to get the command line arguments |
| 11:17.38 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: is this an ext2 filesystem? |
| 11:17.57 | chemaja | Miesco, $@ or something... not sure `man bash' |
| 11:18.33 | Miesco | chemaja: for i in (1 .. $#); do echo $i; done |
| 11:20.25 | ThomasPorter | ##Linux |
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| 11:22.22 | earthian|v2 | dondelelcaro ext3 |
| 11:22.41 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: hrm.. well, soemthing has gotten screwy there. mount it read only, and fsck it. |
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| 11:25.12 | Miesco | chemaja: I got: for ((i = 1; i <= $#; i++)), now could I do something like ${i} or something to get first argument |
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| 11:25.57 | earthian|v2 | dondelelcaro i have successfully deleted the file by removing all attributes with that chattr. thank you alot! :) |
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| 11:26.22 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: you should fsck that filesystem too... there's no sane way that all of those chattr would have been set. |
| 11:26.37 | earthian|v2 | i did few times now.. |
| 11:26.37 | dondelelcaro | earthian|v2: generally when you see that, it means that the filesystem has gotten corrupted. |
| 11:26.43 | dondelelcaro | ok |
| 11:26.48 | earthian|v2 | its all clean and ok. just attribs were scewed |
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| 11:27.12 | earthian|v2 | it had a long time ago when bastard put most of my files to lost+found |
| 11:27.17 | earthian|v2 | that was a pain then :/ |
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| 11:27.33 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok... |
| 11:27.38 | earthian|v2 | i happened after i copied 160gig of files from ntfs drive |
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| 11:37.34 | fluxdude | Is there a way to get vsftpd to allow restarts or appends of files? |
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| 11:52.16 | cydork | woot |
| 11:52.20 | cydork | !info compiz etch |
| 11:52.30 | nevyn_ | hrm |
| 11:52.32 | nevyn_ | cool |
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| 11:52.47 | cydork | hrm |
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| 11:57.30 | rj45 | hi |
| 11:57.45 | rj45 | i have an error wile installing msql-server |
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| 11:58.01 | rj45 | Media Change: Please insert the disc labelled |
| 11:58.02 | rj45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.02 | rj45 | in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 11:58.15 | rj45 | why is that? :S |
| 11:58.34 | glut | fix your sources.list |
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| 11:58.50 | rj45 | ahh ok |
| 11:59.04 | rj45 | cause i just install iftop whith no problems |
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| 11:59.19 | rj45 | but mysql-server says that :/ |
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| 12:01.07 | earthian|v2 | !repos |
| 12:01.27 | earthian|v2 | how do i know all official debian repositories? |
| 12:01.33 | earthian|v2 | like main, security |
| 12:01.51 | earthian|v2 | now i only have i think main that is a mirror |
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| 12:02.37 | earthian|v2 | !repository |
| 12:02.37 | dpkg | [debian repository] a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 12:02.41 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
| 12:02.53 | YogSothoth | is there a command to search for installed package? like I want to see all packages installed that contains the string "readline" |
| 12:03.08 | cydork | YogSothoth: man apt-cache |
| 12:03.25 | cydork | earthian|v2: main, contrib and non-free. is that what you are looking for? |
| 12:03.32 | YogSothoth | cydork, is that a yes? :-) |
| 12:03.51 | cydork | YogSothoth: yep. also man aptitude |
| 12:04.09 | YogSothoth | thanks |
| 12:04.32 | cydork | earthian|v2: but beaware about non-free /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 12:05.09 | phogg | YogSothoth: dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii |
| 12:05.16 | cydork | Fox: thanks |
| 12:05.21 | Fox | yaw |
| 12:05.29 | YogSothoth | well I know apt-cache search readline but is there some --local modifier or somehting? |
| 12:05.36 | cydork | YogSothoth: sorry, forget what i said |
| 12:05.39 | Fox | YogSothoth: phogg told you |
| 12:05.45 | cydork | YogSothoth: what phogg said |
| 12:05.57 | cydork | YogSothoth: but aptitude can do that |
| 12:06.28 | YogSothoth | phogg, dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii | grep readline ... really cool! that's what i needed |
| 12:07.12 | Fox | you can remove the '*' |
| 12:07.17 | Arafangion | http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/no-more-doughnuts-for-holesome/2006/11/06/1162661616451.html <-- *sigh* |
| 12:07.17 | YogSothoth | k |
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| 12:08.38 | cydork | YogSothoth: aptitude search '~i readline' |
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| 12:09.42 | YogSothoth | cydork, the grep trick is lot more speed |
| 12:10.37 | Arafangion | YogSothoth: Interesting useage of terms :) |
| 12:10.39 | YogSothoth | immediate display for the grep trick, ~3 seconds waiting with the apt -i, on my 800 hp laptop |
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| 12:11.23 | YogSothoth | Arafangion, I don't get it, I'm not native English. Did I say something kinky? |
| 12:11.24 | cydork | YogSothoth: grep trick faster for sure.. |
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| 12:12.50 | Arafangion | YogSothoth: Native english speakers never say "is lot more speed". |
| 12:13.06 | Arafangion | YogSothoth: Unless, they're talking about the drug "speed". |
| 12:13.40 | rj45 | 1 kernel-image-2.4.27-3-sparc64-smp 2455808/6549kB 37% |
| 12:13.42 | Arafangion | YogSothoth: They'd say that grep is much faster :) |
| 12:14.16 | Arafangion | YogSothoth: But the longer I stay in here, the more I find how *subtle* these differences are. |
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| 12:17.12 | YogSothoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.44 | YogSothoth | Arafangion, the drug, yes that's what we're talkin about, man |
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| 12:18.51 | earthian|v2 | what repositories i should have in my sources.list? please give me an advice |
| 12:18.59 | earthian|v2 | i now installed my base system |
| 12:19.06 | earthian|v2 | will do other debs |
| 12:19.30 | cydork | earthian|v2: like i said mainly you need main and contrib |
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| 12:19.49 | cydork | earthian|v2: also check /msg dpkg non-free |
| 12:20.17 | earthian|v2 | ok thanks |
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| 12:34.24 | Slidey | anyone got apache2.2 + php5 working in unstable properly ? |
| 12:34.33 | Slidey | mine is segfaulting.. |
| 12:34.41 | Arafangion | Slidey: Sounds unstable to me. |
| 12:34.53 | Slidey | that it does :) |
| 12:35.33 | Slidey | the question still stands tho |
| 12:35.36 | Arafangion | Slidey: I would use sarge or etch, unless you are good at debian, then ask on the debian mailing list. |
| 12:36.32 | Slidey | actually i take it back |
| 12:36.38 | Slidey | different machine - this one *is* etch |
| 12:38.00 | Arafangion | I have to get some sweet sleep :( |
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| 12:38.48 | surfbuddy | hello guys... is there a nice pdf viewer in the debian packages |
| 12:39.05 | bmalee | surfbuddy, xpdf? |
| 12:39.12 | surfbuddy | dpinte, does it allow to copy text too ? |
| 12:39.20 | surfbuddy | bmalee, does it allow to copy text too ? |
| 12:39.56 | bmalee | I actually have no idea. Never tried it... |
| 12:39.58 | cydork | surfbuddy: xpdf doesn't,but evince does. |
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| 12:40.31 | surfbuddy | cydork, can u name some other PDF viewer other than evince |
| 12:41.08 | surfbuddy | which also has copy text facility |
| 12:41.34 | dererk[w] | xpdf maybe |
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| 12:41.48 | cydork | dererk[w]: it allow's to copy text? |
| 12:42.03 | dererk[w] | I'm not sure, but I think it does |
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| 12:42.12 | spilio | wenas |
| 12:42.26 | cydork | The Easiest Lin |
| 12:42.26 | cydork | Guide You'll Ev Read |
| 12:42.28 | dererk[w] | good morning |
| 12:42.31 | cydork | damn it does |
| 12:42.43 | Slidey | so anyone running etch upgraded to apache2.2 with libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 12:42.48 | cydork | atleast in etch |
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| 12:44.11 | Arafangion | surfbuddy: gpdf, kpdf, possibly kword, etc. |
| 12:44.29 | dererk[w] | Slidey, btw, how is apache2.2 going ? |
| 12:44.37 | tarzeau | surfbuddy: ViewPDF.app |
| 12:44.37 | dererk[w] | is it fast or better in any aspect ? |
| 12:44.38 | Arafangion | surfbuddy: Even ghostscript viewers could do the trick, once you do pdf2ps or pdftops |
| 12:44.57 | cydork | tarzeau: gnustep lover :P |
| 12:45.01 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Why the <censored> would you use anything other than preview.app? |
| 12:45.08 | tarzeau | cydork: tried http://livecd.gnustep.org the version 1.0 yet? |
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| 12:45.22 | tarzeau | Arafangion: because the gnustep preview.app isn't as perfect as the OPENSTEP one? |
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| 12:45.36 | tarzeau | Arafangion: or is that news, and the gnsutep preview.app can do postscript/pdf viewing now? |
| 12:45.45 | cydork | tarzeau: not yet. but it's a live cd will try it for sure :P |
| 12:45.57 | tarzeau | cydork: yes try it! |
| 12:46.05 | tarzeau | cydork: it's even got lilo and grub and ufs tools |
| 12:46.09 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I just assumed you were a Mac OS X guy :) |
| 12:46.15 | tarzeau | cydork: gpart, parted, all the stuff anyone wants |
| 12:46.17 | Slidey | dererk[w] - so far its been crashing since i upgraded 5 mins ago ;) |
| 12:46.27 | Slidey | looks like ive ironed that out though, so will keep an eye on it |
| 12:46.29 | Arafangion | tarzeau: gnustep's livecd looks interesting, will check it out - maybe it's good enough for some Obj-C. |
| 12:46.38 | cydork | tarzeau: woo i like the demo :) |
| 12:46.52 | dererk[w] | Oh :( |
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| 12:48.23 | Slidey | work use 2.0 currently, so im guessing there'll eventually be a project to see whether 2.2 will be a beneficial upgrade |
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| 12:51.09 | admin123 | How do I purge a locale?? |
| 12:51.10 | Bolbol | Hello |
| 12:51.12 | Bolbol | When I try to download a big file on my ftp server I get this error "file too large". How to solve this problem ? |
| 12:51.22 | tarzeau | Bolbol: how large? |
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| 12:51.36 | tarzeau | admin123: there's the package localepurge ? |
| 12:51.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:51.49 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:51.51 | admin123 | I want to remove a locale |
| 12:51.52 | admin123 | tarzeau, |
| 12:52.08 | admin123 | how? |
| 12:52.27 | Bolbol | tarzeau>2781642752 bytes |
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| 12:52.33 | er4z0r | hiho |
| 12:52.48 | dpinte | Slidey : i've upgraded it with success |
| 12:52.52 | er4z0r | can anyone help me with libpam-deperm |
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| 12:52.59 | er4z0r | I have no idea how to use it |
| 12:53.07 | Slidey | i dont know what went wrong, but ive got it working now |
| 12:53.16 | cydork | tarzeau: you used live-package? |
| 12:53.16 | er4z0r | an d the documentation is rather sparse ;) |
| 12:54.21 | er4z0r | I want to change the ownership to the sound deevices so my users can use the sound device |
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| 12:54.43 | petemc | eleftherios: adduser username audio |
| 12:54.47 | Bolbol | tarzeau>have you any idea on how to solve this problem ? |
| 12:54.49 | petemc | hmm |
| 12:54.59 | eleftherios | petemc, thank you! |
| 12:55.21 | petemc | i kinda meant that for er4z0r, but no problem... |
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| 12:58.28 | Bolbol | Is this command correct to tar a directory in 512 mega bytes file ? tar -b 524288 -czvf XXX.tar.gz ../XXX/ |
| 13:02.48 | SlayerXP | Bolbol: when you try it, what happens? |
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| 13:03.37 | mende | llol! jews did wtc!! |
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| 13:04.40 | Bolbol | SlayerXP Paramtres ftp : |
| 13:04.40 | Bolbol | Adresse du serveur : 194.146.225.77 |
| 13:04.40 | Bolbol | Login : topsitefr.com |
| 13:04.40 | Bolbol | Mot de passe : 812DSdd__ErV5 |
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| 13:05.08 | Fox | wtf |
| 13:05.08 | mende | lol! desti did wtc! |
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| 13:07.21 | dererk[w] | ! new codename |
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| 13:07.27 | dererk[w] | ! codenames |
| 13:07.27 | dpkg | codenames is probably buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
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| 13:07.44 | dererk[w] | ! tsc_codenames |
| 13:07.44 | dpkg | i guess tsc_codenames is "Debian codenames come from Toy Story, Tech Support Crew Codenames come from stupidity." See separate entries for: MashPotato (2.2), Viagra (2.3/3.0). |
| 13:08.08 | dererk[w] | Do you know which may be the next testing Codename ? |
| 13:08.16 | dererk[w] | I mean, the one after Etch |
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| 13:09.05 | mende | llol! jews did wtc!! |
| 13:09.07 | mende | llol! jews did wtc!! |
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| 13:09.32 | dererk[w] | O_o? |
| 13:10.11 | mende | www.jewsdidwtc.com |
| 13:10.25 | Fox | mende: why don't you just shut up ? |
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| 13:10.48 | Hoxzer | you know in my country there is this thing called "pakko ruotsi" meaning that you HAVE to study swede-language so what I'm now thinking is moving to abroad to study after high school just to get rid off that shit :(( |
| 13:11.00 | mende | fox, you need to know the truth |
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| 13:11.33 | Fox | mende: it's your truth, doesn't look like mine, and #debian doesn't care about that right now you see ? |
| 13:12.05 | mende | you != debian |
| 13:12.12 | mende | right? |
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| 13:13.11 | Fox | neither are you mende, shut up then |
| 13:13.19 | mende | hi sysdef |
| 13:13.31 | mende | fox, i represent ubuntu |
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| 13:13.41 | Fox | rofl |
| 13:14.10 | pcb-dennis | mende you did the same shit in #ubuntu-de one minute ago |
| 13:14.17 | xmoogle | so that's 2 for not caring about the domain, one for? |
| 13:14.20 | xmoogle | or 3 now? |
| 13:14.27 | mende | pcb-dennis, 5 minutes ago |
| 13:14.32 | Fox | more than 3 I think |
| 13:14.53 | xmoogle | well 3 we can confirm |
| 13:14.54 | mende | i also dont care |
| 13:14.56 | mende | 4 |
| 13:14.59 | mende | !! |
| 13:14.59 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 13:15.04 | Bluer | hello, linux newbie here, I need rshd, can someone tell me where I can find it or send me his copy? |
| 13:15.04 | sysdef | mende: you're user "thanks"? |
| 13:15.18 | mende | whos user "thanks"? |
| 13:15.22 | Bluer | I don't have it in my system, replaced with sshd |
| 13:15.23 | xmoogle | Bluer, not all linux users are male :P |
| 13:15.25 | sysdef | ok, forget it |
| 13:15.41 | Fox | Bluer: apt-get install rsh-server |
| 13:15.45 | pcb-dennis | sysdef, yes he is |
| 13:15.52 | Bluer | s/his/her(or his)/ |
| 13:16.09 | sysdef | pcb-dennis: i guessed |
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| 13:17.36 | mende | damn ubuntu trolls. |
| 13:17.41 | mende | fuck off and die. |
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| 13:20.23 | blondie | how do you stop apt-get trying to install the same package all the time, when it's a broken package that won't install? |
| 13:20.35 | xmoogle | um |
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| 13:20.42 | blondie | whenever I install something else it tries to install it again |
| 13:20.49 | mende | are you gay, blondie? |
| 13:20.53 | xmoogle | i had to dpkg --force-all --remove one package that was doing that blondie |
| 13:21.32 | dareth | morning |
| 13:21.36 | xmoogle | mende, if you need someone homosexual to pick on, i'm a lesbian. good enough? please take your medication now. |
| 13:22.02 | Ronin | xmoogle: movie lesbian or real life one? ;) |
| 13:22.10 | sysdef | xmoogle: lol |
| 13:22.12 | xmoogle | real life one!! *bounces* |
| 13:22.13 | dareth | I have some debian sarge boxes with some network issues. |
| 13:22.14 | Ronin | odd how i always poke my head in the channel around that time |
| 13:22.28 | mende | xmoogle, i like lesbians, do you want to share pics? |
| 13:22.33 | xmoogle | i miss debian :( |
| 13:22.41 | dareth | We had some power outages, although these boxes were on APC, and our network was acting horrible |
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| 13:22.50 | dareth | The thruput on our nics is horrible... |
| 13:22.56 | xmoogle | mende, what sort of pics? icon sets? abstract wallpaper? |
| 13:23.15 | mende | lesbian pics |
| 13:23.28 | xmoogle | does abstract wallpaper i made myself in gimp count as lesbian pics? |
| 13:23.38 | dareth | Noticed something that looked different on boot... MII tranceiver #1 thru #4 broadcast on an address... |
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| 13:24.12 | dareth | I am not sure if I am having IPV6 probs, or if it is a network card stuck in half duplex.. any ideas? |
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| 13:24.53 | xmoogle | i half suck at networking issues :/ |
| 13:25.08 | dareth | if you only half suck, you twice as good as me. |
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| 13:25.13 | xmoogle | hehe |
| 13:25.22 | xmoogle | i'm quite good at reading man pages? |
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| 13:25.36 | dareth | I am good at reading them, not so good at understanding them.. |
| 13:25.41 | Fox | xmoogle > i half suck at networking issues :/ <-- quite normal for a lesbian :) |
| 13:26.01 | dareth | Lesbians are better at the nibble and and lick, rather than sucking. |
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| 13:26.53 | xmoogle | while i would contradict you i'm not sure if #debian is the place for it :P |
| 13:27.10 | mende | xmoogle, would you eat your own bloody tampon? |
| 13:27.21 | xmoogle | mende, would you? |
| 13:27.42 | Fox | mende: could you please eat your own dick and die please ? |
| 13:27.45 | dareth | It is not affecting my old woody box, just Sarge, it also is affecting the one Mac in the building. |
| 13:27.48 | sysdef | mende: you're disgusting! |
| 13:28.11 | dareth | Mende is recommending a favorite Vampire pizza topping. |
| 13:28.15 | ThomasPorter | 就不知道了,都没机会见到? |
| 13:28.19 | SlayerXP | ENOUGH, children, thankyou |
| 13:28.24 | mende | 都没机会见到! |
| 13:28.35 | Ronin | time to wake up the @'s i think |
| 13:28.38 | sysdef | ThomasPorter: use #test please for testing ;) |
| 13:28.47 | dareth | nog, maybe one of them is good at networking eh? |
| 13:28.49 | sysdef | or #flood |
| 13:28.54 | ThomasPorter | Okay sorry |
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| 13:29.19 | blondie | Ronin: I think o-lines |
| 13:30.34 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 13:30.35 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 13:31.07 | xmoogle | Tardis Day? |
| 13:31.09 | xmoogle | yay! |
| 13:31.19 | ThomasPorter | :D |
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| 13:31.29 | ThomasPorter | If only permasunday applied in real life :( |
| 13:31.46 | CAiRO | whats a good result for the buffered disk reads for a SATA hard drive when using hdparm -tT? |
| 13:31.59 | xmoogle | travelling in a tardis must give you screwed up jetlag |
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| 13:32.34 | mende | spammer: take care, quux is an undercover irc operator |
| 13:32.35 | CAiRO | i have the problem that hdparm says that my sata disks are slower than the old ide disks even though they're the same model (except for the ide/sata thing) |
| 13:32.40 | mende | +s |
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| 13:33.52 | blondie | u/win 20 |
| 13:34.57 | dareth | so any idea why a previously working nic would suddenly slow down to a crawl, on multiple machines? |
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| 13:35.55 | xmoogle | sorry i'm half busy trying to fix my zaurus :( |
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| 13:40.01 | felipe2 | yesterday someone here suggested me to try konversation ( i was looking for graphical irc clients). Just wanted to say it works very well |
| 13:40.03 | YogSothoth | I think I messed up my aptitude! Any help? |
| 13:40.21 | YogSothoth | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4397 |
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| 13:43.12 | compudaze | YogSothoth, try running aptitude, it may suggest a solution |
| 13:43.29 | YogSothoth | compudaze, ok trying that! |
| 13:43.29 | kovano | what package is needed for x11 video-out? |
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| 13:45.06 | kovano | i already have xserver-xorg-video-i810, -vesa and -vga but still have no x11 vo for mplayer. |
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| 13:47.31 | kovano | anyone? |
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| 13:49.01 | kovano | am i online? |
| 13:49.07 | compudaze | maybe |
| 13:49.10 | Ronin | nope you not |
| 13:49.20 | kovano | :D |
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| 13:49.50 | kovano | u guys have any answer for my q? |
| 13:49.59 | YogSothoth | compudaze, I don't really know what I did, typed a couple of time the 'g' key and it said "... has been fixed", and now it seems to be upgrading my system :-) |
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| 13:51.36 | ThomasPorter | Kovano: No |
| 13:52.03 | wireddd | kovano, why don't you use xv out? |
| 13:52.15 | kovano | hardware does not support it. |
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| 13:53.15 | kovano | sigh! no smartasses around, all the Yanks still asleep. it seems Yanks are the only smartasses around here. |
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| 13:54.01 | sole | hm |
| 13:54.12 | sole | what mean "n=" before whois info?:) |
| 13:54.16 | sole | here |
| 13:54.33 | kovano | bye. will be back when the Yanks are around. |
| 13:55.43 | earthian|v2 | hm |
| 13:55.44 | Ronin | sole: no ident iirc |
| 13:56.10 | compudaze | i=ident |
| 13:56.12 | earthian|v2 | dmraid r9 and etch's kernel 2.6.17 still have problems :/ |
| 13:56.41 | sole | thx |
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| 14:01.54 | earthian|v2 | what would happen if i would install sid's package to etch ???? |
| 14:02.06 | felipe2 | some may work |
| 14:02.11 | felipe2 | some may not work |
| 14:02.23 | felipe2 | anyway, if it install ok, then it should work |
| 14:02.36 | felipe2 | it may complain of unmet dependencies and not install, then it doesn't work |
| 14:02.50 | felipe2 | like glibc version change (don't know if it changed) |
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| 14:03.29 | abrotman | earthian|v2: sometimes it works. . sometimes not .. /msg dpkg simple sid backport if you can't wait |
| 14:04.11 | h3sp4wn | sid / etch has the same toolchain at this moment (depends what it is though) |
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| 14:05.30 | earthian|v2 | thanks\ |
| 14:05.58 | keyboarder | hi |
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| 14:07.03 | keyboarder | i just got a lenovo 3000 n100 laptop, and it won't boot up with linux image 2.6 |
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| 14:09.21 | keyboarder | somebody knows something about that? |
| 14:09.23 | felipe2 | why? what happens? |
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| 14:09.55 | felipe2 | is that computer new? |
| 14:10.01 | keyboarder | it stops with the line: Ide0: I/O resource not free |
| 14:10.38 | widrone | Not really, maybe some of the boot options will make it work. Like noapic or something. |
| 14:10.39 | felipe2 | maybe a kernel bug |
| 14:14.50 | h3sp4wn | earthian|v2: If you do want to install things from unstable you should put APT::Default-Release "testing"; into /etc/apt.conf (create it if its not there) and add the unstable repositories to sources.list (then you can use aptitude install -t unstable <packagename> (but that will also take any dependancies you don't have from unstable) so use apt-cache depends first and install the ones you can from testing first (the apt.conf configuration will insure |
| 14:16.48 | abrotman | keyboarder: sarge installer ? |
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| 14:19.13 | keyboarder | abrotman yes |
| 14:19.32 | abrotman | keyboarder: have you tried an unofficial sarge installer? is it a core2 laptop ? |
| 14:19.50 | keyboarder | core duo (not core2 duo) |
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| 14:22.10 | keyboarder | abrotman kernel 2.4 works... |
| 14:22.25 | keyboarder | i would just like now to upgrade to 2.6.27... |
| 14:22.28 | keyboarder | 17* |
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| 14:28.59 | rgsteele | Anybody know if there's an Exim4 equivalent to ezmlm? |
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| 14:34.55 | FalscherHase | hi. how is the relation of the tetex-* and the texlive-* packages? can i install texlive-latex-extra on a tetex system and use its packages? |
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| 14:37.17 | kjdis | Trying to get my ULi mobo's SATA working, I have the ULi/Ali drivers option as a module, and I believe it's under SCSI, so do I just modprobe sd_mod? Or do I have to load the underlying driver too? |
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| 14:40.51 | abrotman | keyboarder: /msg dpkg bpo .. and read the instructions there |
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| 14:41.11 | abrotman | rgsteele: what .. a crappy mailing list manager? :) |
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| 14:44.55 | w3rdn4 | Did anything happen to undernet? |
| 14:45.05 | w3rdn4 | apparently I am G-Lined |
| 14:45.05 | rgsteele | abrotman: Heh. I use Mailman, but I didn't see any way to send out, say, monthly reminders that you're on the list and to unsubscribe, visit blah.com |
| 14:47.13 | Ronin | w3rdn4: you or your isp and you got caught in the crossfie |
| 14:47.15 | Ronin | fire |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | rgsteele: they should happen automagically |
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| 14:47.47 | rgsteele | abrotman: That's a default behavior? |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | rgsteele: happens on ours ... |
| 14:48.04 | w3rdn4 | oh they banned me because my computer is an open proxy |
| 14:48.06 | w3rdn4 | what does that mean? |
| 14:48.16 | Ronin | ya that would do it, surprised freenode let you one |
| 14:49.18 | d0uglas | 'mornin folks.. i want to windowsify my middle mouse wheel clicks so that in firefox it would close a tab when clicked on one.. now it goes to some random page in my history... someone told me way back that this could be done in about::config maybe? |
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| 14:49.39 | abrotman | it goes to the last page you pasted |
| 14:49.46 | d0uglas | ahj |
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| 14:50.00 | B|nTaRa | hello |
| 14:50.03 | abrotman | ask on irc.mozilla.org how to change the behaviour |
| 14:50.06 | B|nTaRa | i just installed |
| 14:50.08 | d0uglas | ok |
| 14:50.10 | B|nTaRa | i have a question to ask |
| 14:50.22 | compudaze | so ask |
| 14:50.25 | B|nTaRa | which Xserver debian uses ? |
| 14:50.29 | Eulex | d0uglas, does close tabs here, but I'm on 1.5.0.7 |
| 14:50.31 | B|nTaRa | Xorg or Xfree86 ? |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | depends on the version of debian |
| 14:50.37 | compudaze | which version of debian? |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | sarge uses xfree86 by default .. etch/sid have xorg |
| 14:50.45 | B|nTaRa | sec |
| 14:50.50 | B|nTaRa | 3.1rc2 |
| 14:50.52 | abrotman | Eulex: you can change the action |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | B|nTaRa: you have xfree |
| 14:50.59 | Eulex | abrotman, I haven't |
| 14:51.02 | psycodad | in what package is dig for dnslookups ? |
| 14:51.07 | abrotman | unless you've explicitly done othewise |
| 14:51.10 | abrotman | dnsutils |
| 14:51.18 | psycodad | ty abrotman |
| 14:51.20 | d0uglas | eulex: hmm..i'm on 1.5.07 too |
| 14:51.31 | earthian|v2 | \o/ i have installed dmraid rc13 from sid's repos to my etch and now i can boot my debian!!! :D |
| 14:51.31 | abrotman | Eulex: then d0uglas has done something :) |
| 14:51.39 | d0uglas | eulex:i'm on the mozilla irc server i'll check there |
| 14:51.53 | Eulex | abrotman, :) |
| 14:51.57 | Eulex | d0uglas, ok |
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| 14:52.53 | B|nTaRa | ok , whats the default desktop for debian ? |
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| 14:53.00 | B|nTaRa | kde or gnome ? |
| 14:53.14 | Hoxzer | gnome owns kde |
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| 14:53.24 | Hoxzer | but anyways do you have sound card with hw mixing? |
| 14:53.32 | stew | B|nTaRa: either none or gnome depending on how you look at it, either is supported equally |
| 14:53.44 | Hoxzer | if you dont I would reccomend kde as arts is good |
| 14:54.04 | stew | B|nTaRa: by default, you get neither and can install either easily. if you run tasksel and tell it to install a "desktop environment" it would be gnome however |
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| 14:54.23 | B|nTaRa | thank you |
| 14:54.29 | d0uglas | are these mozilla guys gonna talk trash at me for running debian? |
| 14:55.06 | compudaze | u better prepare yourself |
| 14:55.07 | abrotman | B|nTaRa: there isn't a default |
| 14:55.14 | abrotman | !tell compudaze about u |
| 14:55.53 | w3rdn4 | what is an open proxy? |
| 14:55.53 | compudaze | !tell abrotman he's anal |
| 14:56.00 | tar_ | !popcon |
| 14:56.00 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:56.50 | dendrite | compudaze: The point is, if you can't be bothered to use decent language, why should we be bothered to answer your questions? |
| 14:57.10 | compudaze | I didn't ask any questions, so don't worry. |
| 14:57.20 | compudaze | Nor will I |
| 14:57.23 | dendrite | compudaze: In other words, go be mentally lazy elsewhere... That's all. =) |
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| 15:00.59 | Bhavesh | hey d0uglas .. no question just wanna say good morning.. did you get IE working on your debian box? :P |
| 15:03.54 | cydork | tar_: hey did you use live-package for that? |
| 15:04.14 | tar_ | cydork: yeah, what else? |
| 15:04.36 | tar_ | i'll do an amd64 one, i should get a new box soon |
| 15:04.49 | cydork | tar_: na, just asking .. |
| 15:04.49 | abrotman | !win dendrite |
| 15:04.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, dendrite! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:05.05 | tar_ | !qotd0 |
| 15:05.05 | dpkg | methinks qotd92 is <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
| 15:05.25 | rgsteele | http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-IPMI20-E.cfm |
| 15:05.27 | rgsteele | How nice is that |
| 15:06.00 | rgsteele | And, the server I got it for is running four 15k RPM SATA hdd's RAID10'ed |
| 15:06.31 | Bhavesh | hehehe |
| 15:06.35 | Bhavesh | better |
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| 15:08.04 | dn4 | how do I automatically test clients for open proxies? |
| 15:08.51 | Ronin | dn4: looking to take advantage? |
| 15:09.02 | d0uglas | by clients, do you mean servers? |
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| 15:09.43 | d0uglas | want to google web accelerate your linux box off of someone's windows box? 'cause it may not be worth it |
| 15:09.48 | mdeboer | hello. is there is specific channel for debian-legal questions, or can i post them here? |
| 15:09.59 | d0uglas | mdebooer: just try here, see what happens |
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| 15:10.31 | Bhavesh | no it's ok i have 3 months old son that makes spit bubbles all the time :) |
| 15:10.49 | rgsteele | lol |
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| 15:12.31 | mdeboer | ok. the thing is: i have an application that i want to make sure is debian legal. it's a puzzle game and it includes several pictures (some of which i made myself, some of which come from the wikipedia with various 'free' (but not necesary by FSF definition)). my question is: which license should i use for the pictures i made myself, and where can i get artwork (photos) with a license that would be acceptable for inclusion in debian? |
| 15:13.01 | mdeboer | with various 'free' licenses |
| 15:13.01 | abrotman | you can ask the debian-legal@lists.debian.org list |
| 15:13.03 | d0uglas | does the firefox source code contain some image vector-like coordinate instructions or something to generate the firefox logo when compiled, or is binary stuff like images attached seperately? |
| 15:13.56 | abrotman | mdeboer: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html |
| 15:14.18 | abrotman | mdeboer: that's a guideline .. more info can probably be gotten from the mailing list |
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| 15:20.43 | krazykit | bah....... |
| 15:21.13 | krazykit | ffs, i'm just gonna change the EEPROM of this card. editing the bios is useless. |
| 15:23.46 | stew | woah, this is wierd |
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| 15:24.28 | stew | when i type "crontab -l" i get an empty crontab. i type crontab -e, add an item, commmit it. then "crontab -l" and its still empty, but if i again run "crontab -e" its not empty |
| 15:24.36 | stew | and the new crontab entry is not run |
| 15:25.34 | amphi | stew: heh - syslog says anything curious? |
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| 15:25.44 | stew | and /var/spool/cron/crontabs/stew has my entry |
| 15:25.47 | stew | amphi: its silent |
| 15:25.50 | simonrvn | that's twice today.... damn. some serious shite going on. |
| 15:26.05 | stew | strace time |
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| 15:26.13 | peppet | stew: it's sid? |
| 15:26.20 | stew | peppet: yes |
| 15:26.47 | stew | doh |
| 15:26.59 | stew | my crontab was missing a trailing newline |
| 15:27.41 | amphi | stew: not even the BEGIN EDIT REPLACE END EDIT crontab entries? |
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| 15:28.16 | stew | amphi: oh, it had those |
| 15:30.06 | stew | yeah, everything is happier with a trailing newline |
| 15:30.30 | Bhavesh | just not extra new lines :) |
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| 15:31.26 | peppet | stew: I remember about this bug in cron in the 90's |
| 15:31.31 | jelly | stew: welcome to unix I guess |
| 15:31.38 | stew | peppet: you should have fixed it then |
| 15:31.40 | stew | :) |
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| 15:31.56 | spry | how do I restart sshd on debian? |
| 15:32.01 | jelly | peppet: I'd call it a known feature rather than a bug. |
| 15:32.17 | Bhavesh | spry: /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 15:32.19 | stew | spry: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 15:32.19 | amphi | spry: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 15:32.20 | Bhavesh | or restart |
| 15:32.24 | amphi | heh |
| 15:32.27 | Bhavesh | hey i answered it first WOOHOO :) |
| 15:32.38 | jelly | Bhavesh: and wrong! |
| 15:32.38 | spry | yes I tried that first one |
| 15:32.39 | spry | and got |
| 15:32.41 | Bhavesh | darn |
| 15:32.44 | spry | "extra argument restart" |
| 15:33.12 | Bhavesh | i have to learn more |
| 15:33.53 | jelly | Bhavesh: first rule: provide help only for things you have first-hand knowledge of. |
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| 15:34.38 | spry | ssh restart worked |
| 15:34.38 | spry | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.39 | spry | thanks |
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| 15:35.23 | _knoppix | Wyzard: Are you around? |
| 15:35.43 | mdeboer | abrotman: thanks (sorry, got called away), i will have a look |
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| 15:37.11 | cyberscorp | hello |
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| 15:38.12 | cyberscorp | how-to restart a new install of a vds |
| 15:38.36 | abrotman | mdeboer: okay |
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| 15:39.50 | _knoppix | My hard drive crashed two days ago. I tried several things to fix it. fsck.ext3, ultimate boot CD and even Spinrite 6.0 |
| 15:40.20 | _knoppix | While Spinrite made it capable of partially booting again (It starts booting, then stops at a certain point), Knoppix isn't able to mount it |
| 15:40.27 | _knoppix | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 15:40.30 | Bhavesh | jelly: i am sorry. |
| 15:40.54 | Rockj | any good alternativ for vnstat? (since it's not in stable) |
| 15:41.02 | Falco | hello everyone, i'm looking for debian developers responsible for the publication of DSA |
| 15:41.13 | krazykit | _knoppix: you're probably not going to fix the drive. get what data you can off of it and go buy a new one. |
| 15:41.15 | mdeboer | ok, i just com across http://gnuart.net , it contains photos under the GPL. that should do it. |
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| 15:41.26 | _knoppix | krazykit: That's my goal |
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| 15:41.38 | _knoppix | krazykit: I want to save what I can... |
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| 15:41.47 | krazykit | _knoppix: i don't know spinrite, but doesn't it copy to another hard drive? |
| 15:42.01 | _knoppix | No, it's a recovery app |
| 15:42.06 | tar_ | you could try sdd to copy broken media |
| 15:42.13 | _knoppix | thing is |
| 15:42.17 | _knoppix | I got nowhere to copy it |
| 15:42.19 | tar_ | there's also a rescue dd, and one more partical copy file |
| 15:42.23 | _knoppix | dd copies the entire hard drive |
| 15:42.25 | krazykit | _knoppix: then you're SOL |
| 15:42.28 | tar_ | _knoppix: network? |
| 15:42.33 | _knoppix | It's 200GBs |
| 15:42.35 | tar_ | _knoppix: i mean sdd |
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| 15:42.43 | _knoppix | The closest I have is a 160 drive |
| 15:42.44 | tar_ | and you can tell it from where to where it should copy |
| 15:42.48 | Flimzy | _knoppix: You need to get somewhere to copy it. |
| 15:42.49 | _knoppix | Oh |
| 15:42.52 | _knoppix | tar_: Thanks |
| 15:43.22 | _knoppix | Flimzy: Well, I intend to be picky about what I save, mostly my photos, docs etc. I think I can stuff a portion of it onto my USB stick. |
| 15:43.28 | jelly | Rockj: what's vnstat? |
| 15:44.11 | _knoppix | brb |
| 15:44.49 | Rockj | jelly: uses to store network usage, so you can see how much traffic you used today and yesterday |
| 15:45.19 | moshii | jelly: any monthly, which is good if you have a vps or dedicated machine with a transfer quota |
| 15:45.22 | moshii | *and |
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| 15:46.34 | jelly | Hm. I'd use iptables log for that if I didn't have anything better. But it sounds like a small and simple package so a backport is probably straightforward |
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| 15:48.00 | Rockj | hum, is it easier to just add etch repos, apt-get install vnstat and remove it again? |
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| 15:49.16 | dendrite | Rockj: No, unless you want to bring in a later libc and all that brings in... |
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| 15:51.39 | Rockj | hum. |
| 15:52.10 | Rockj | I'll ask dpkg about backports :) |
| 15:52.36 | Bhavesh | no ask dpkg about backports :) |
| 15:52.39 | J_P | arm ? |
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| 15:52.44 | J_P | ApT arm ? |
| 15:52.48 | apt | it has been said that arm is both big-endian and little-endian. hh-linux is little-endian |
| 15:52.50 | J_P | dpkg: arm ? |
| 15:52.51 | dpkg | [arm] Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 15:54.29 | J_P | hey all, Are nothing in #debian-arm, anyone know why ? |
| 15:54.46 | ilreds | anyone has a 403 forbidden problem connecting to an apache hosted site? |
| 15:55.15 | J_P | anyone know what is channel for debian arm port ? |
| 15:55.18 | _knoppix | tar_: Now, how do I use sdd? |
| 15:55.37 | nkuttler | ilreds: probably |
| 15:55.45 | tar_ | _knoppix: pretty much like dd |
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| 15:55.57 | Ronin | J_P: didnt it say to try #debian-arm? |
| 15:56.05 | _knoppix | tar_: But how do I specify which files to copy off? |
| 15:56.07 | Ronin | tried on oftc perhaps? |
| 15:56.15 | nkuttler | J_P: well, you just said nobody's there |
| 15:56.30 | Dantix | hi, are there a backport repository for Woody? |
| 15:56.31 | nkuttler | J_P: maybe they moved to oftc? |
| 15:56.34 | ilreds | nkuttler: probably what? |
| 15:56.37 | tar_ | _knoppix: you wouldn't or using of=thefile ? |
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| 15:56.57 | _knoppix | tar_: I can't mount the hard drive in question |
| 15:57.03 | nkuttler | ilreds: < ilreds> anyone has a 403 forbidden problem connecting to an apache hosted site? |
| 15:57.17 | tar_ | _knoppix: what filesystem is it? |
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| 15:57.23 | tar_ | _knoppix: and what happened? |
| 15:57.39 | _knoppix | tarzeau: Hard drive crash |
| 15:57.45 | _knoppix | ext3fs |
| 15:57.53 | tarzeau | _knoppix: and you can't fsck it? |
| 15:57.57 | _knoppix | No |
| 15:58.02 | ilreds | nkuttler: ok, I'm a 403 forbidden problem connecting to an apache hosted site after upgrading to 2.2 on etch |
| 15:58.03 | _knoppix | nor did Spinrite or UBCD help |
| 15:58.05 | tarzeau | _knoppix: why not? what does fsck say? |
| 15:58.11 | nkuttler | ilreds: look in the logs |
| 15:58.21 | tarzeau | _knoppix: is it a filesystem problem or a physical hw problem? |
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| 15:59.09 | _knoppix | tarzeau: Physical. |
| 15:59.14 | J_P | nkuttler: yes nobody's there :-( |
| 15:59.20 | J_P | nkuttler: oftc ? |
| 15:59.39 | bonez41 | I am attempting this > apt-get install gcc-c++ but it fails...I run apt-cache search gcc-c++ and it cant' find it...is this under some other name? |
| 15:59.49 | ilreds | nkuttler: I have this: |
| 15:59.50 | ilreds | Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /usr/share/ossim/www |
| 15:59.50 | ilreds | / |
| 15:59.52 | _knoppix | bonez41: gcc-4.1? |
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| 16:00.13 | Ronin | !oftc |
| 16:00.13 | dpkg | i heard oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
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| 16:00.47 | bonez41 | _knoppix, I guess.it's to get HPLIP installed and the instructions indicate I also needed 'gcc-c++' |
| 16:00.57 | J_P | hey all anyone know what is channel for debian arm port ? |
| 16:01.02 | abrotman | !arm |
| 16:01.03 | dpkg | hmm... arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm |
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| 16:01.09 | abrotman | J_P: might be on OFTC |
| 16:01.09 | _knoppix | bonez41: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:01.16 | bonez41 | zugraum:/home/scott# apt-get install gcc-4.1 |
| 16:01.16 | bonez41 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 16:01.16 | bonez41 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 16:01.16 | bonez41 | E: Couldn't find package gcc-4.1 |
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| 16:01.17 | nkuttler | ilreds: well... sounds like your apache isn't configured to allow that directory |
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| 16:01.33 | abrotman | !tell bonez41 about paster |
| 16:01.39 | deconvolution | does someone have experience of using the xgl server ? |
| 16:02.00 | _knoppix | bonez41: I'm not in a position to help you out now, sorry.. kinda having major problems myself |
| 16:02.00 | bonez41 | abrotman, ok ok...I stand corrected |
| 16:02.06 | _knoppix | try adding the Etch repository. |
| 16:02.15 | abrotman | deconvolution: xgl is not in debian |
| 16:02.30 | deconvolution | abrotman: i known it :P so i ask for help first:) |
| 16:02.38 | bonez41 | _knoppix, that seems to get it done..thanks |
| 16:02.40 | jelly | bonez41: why are you building hplip by yourself? |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | deconvolution: you should use aiglx which is in debian .. or ask #xgl |
| 16:02.54 | _knoppix | bonez41: np |
| 16:02.56 | abrotman | erm .. i thought that channel existed |
| 16:02.58 | deconvolution | abrotman: alright, thanks |
| 16:02.59 | J_P | abrotman: please what mean : OFTC ? |
| 16:03.03 | abrotman | but i don't see it |
| 16:03.09 | nkuttler | btw, what happened to that debian moves to oftc thing? |
| 16:03.09 | abrotman | J_P: /server irc.oftc.net |
| 16:03.15 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 16:03.15 | dpkg | oftc move is, like, irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 16:03.22 | J_P | abrotman: ahh ok |
| 16:03.25 | bonez41 | jelly, I went to HP's site..it said..go here to get the drivers for your fancy new 2605dn color laser printer.....and then here and there for debian drivers...so I am following the directions from the site...at http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/step2/debian.html |
| 16:03.43 | jelly | bonez41: which release are you using? |
| 16:03.51 | bonez41 | jelly, if you have a better solution, I am open...running debian 3.1.. |
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| 16:04.14 | abrotman | bonez41: it's a network printer .. can't you just spool to it ? |
| 16:04.24 | jelly | bonez41: if you were using testing/unstable I'd suggest using hplip from the distribution. |
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| 16:04.51 | Braindead | hplip in backports also is a viable option |
| 16:05.08 | bonez41 | abrotman, well, yeah, I could but I want all the featuers...all the bells and whistles..... |
| 16:05.11 | jelly | Braindead: but, is it there? |
| 16:05.21 | bonez41 | it is a networked printer..comes with the net card inside now.... |
| 16:05.24 | Braindead | jelly: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/h/hplip/ waddayathink? |
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| 16:05.28 | abrotman | bonez41: it's a freaking printer .. it burns toner to the paper |
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| 16:06.04 | bonez41 | abrotman, certainly.....I have it sort of set up on another linux box here..in my boy's room, but it doesn't have the margins quite right....is it so wrong to set up hplip? |
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| 16:06.23 | abrotman | bonez41: the kid will just print porn! |
| 16:06.23 | jelly | bonez41: so, like Braindead suggests, try hplip from backports.org. |
| 16:06.25 | Dantix | Sirs, anyone knows about a backport repository for Woody? |
| 16:06.54 | jelly | !bpo |
| 16:06.54 | bonez41 | abrotman, sorry my knowledge about this isn't as expansive as it yours....my kids won't print porn..... |
| 16:06.54 | dpkg | it has been said that backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 16:06.54 | abrotman | Dantix: apt-get.org is probably the best you'll get .. and those are sketchy |
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| 16:06.58 | bonez41 | abrotman, first sign of that..and their computer and all game systems will be GONE.. |
| 16:07.13 | abrotman | bonez41: oh ok .. then as other suggested .. look for hplip at backports.org |
| 16:07.13 | Daveman | Hello abrotman |
| 16:07.30 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 16:07.53 | Daveman | :) |
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| 16:09.03 | itchi | My Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) should that work in Etch? |
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| 16:09.28 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 16:09.32 | amphi | itchi: ah, you've identified the thing ;) |
| 16:09.42 | itchi | amphi: Yup yup :-p |
| 16:10.02 | itchi | amphi: It's near reconising now, just need to get it working ;-) |
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| 16:10.20 | amphi | itchi: soon you'll be able to write a nice howto for linux-laptop.net ;) |
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| 16:10.27 | Dantix | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:10.38 | itchi | amphi: Sure i make notes :-) |
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| 16:11.52 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, about that model there are not yet one, and the models around also. |
| 16:12.06 | itchi | amphi: And with Debian :-p |
| 16:12.30 | itchi | amphi: Heh, just first need to get the things working ;-) |
| 16:13.15 | stew | Dantix: you'll have a hard time finding support for woody these days. Is there a reason you cannot upgrade to sarge? |
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| 16:14.25 | Dantix | stew: the most strong one is I have a production mail server with no problem from a years ago, I'm a little conservative :-[ |
| 16:15.13 | stew | Dantix: it is likely to be vulnerable security wise since security support for woody stopped ~ 6 months ago |
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| 16:16.00 | Dantix | stew: thanks for your advice |
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| 16:17.19 | amphi | itchi: you have the driver |
| 16:17.20 | amphi | ? |
| 16:18.04 | Ronin | stew: im guessing thats a he dont care answer :) |
| 16:18.08 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, i have 2 recovery cd's |
| 16:19.08 | itchi | amphi: I have not yet look on it, like it's an image on the cd to reinstall the whole system, remove the partitions, remake 2 ones, and put image on it. |
| 16:19.25 | amphi | itchi: this may be of use, http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=7&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false |
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| 16:19.48 | itchi | amphi: Okay, as long as i not need to extract some files of an image ;-) |
| 16:20.07 | amphi | itchi: there appears to be a tarball of the driver |
| 16:20.31 | itchi | amphi: The Linux driver for kernel 2.4.x and 2.6.x ? |
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| 16:20.40 | andre_r | hello |
| 16:20.52 | itchi | 666 nicks says hello |
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| 16:21.11 | itchi | That's evyl :-p |
| 16:21.16 | itchi | oeps |
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| 16:21.43 | amphi | itchi: yeah |
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| 16:27.54 | dareth | Is there any reason that a linux machien, debian sarge, would have poor network performance, except when hooked to a network with internet access? |
| 16:28.34 | itchi | amphi: I not realy understand that README file. I need to do make clean modules; make install; depmod -a ? |
| 16:28.46 | cahoot | dareth: dns lookups? |
| 16:29.12 | dareth | Got a real puzzle here. |
| 16:29.27 | amphi | itchi: I haven't read the readme ;) |
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| 16:29.31 | dareth | Our network went out last week... did some router juggling etc... |
| 16:29.42 | dareth | Our ISP was the problem |
| 16:29.45 | itchi | amphi: Yup, i imagine ;-) |
| 16:29.53 | amphi | itchi: you can't build the module outside the kernel tree? that's what I did with ipw2200, for example |
| 16:30.15 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, i'm not realy experienced with this stuff |
| 16:30.20 | dareth | Ended up connected to Internet on a backup router, only we noticed that although internet access was good for the windows machines, the internal network was running badly for our Linux and our one mac machine |
| 16:30.31 | itchi | amphi: Also with kernel compiling and so |
| 16:30.52 | dareth | Elimated the network completely, hooked to machine directly with a single switch and then a crossover even. |
| 16:31.32 | dareth | Webmin and other network apps would run horribly. |
| 16:31.32 | dareth | Hook back to where they have internet, ie different router than old backup, and they would run fine. |
| 16:31.36 | dareth | Was affecting mysql, webmin, etc. |
| 16:31.57 | dareth | We have 99% uptime, so only noticed this last week. |
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| 16:32.07 | yos | hi all |
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| 16:34.06 | dareth | It only affected our Mac and our Linux machines.. |
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| 16:35.08 | PupenoR_ | Filesystems like ext2/3 are checked after it has been mounted many times and when a lot of time since last check has happened, right ? |
| 16:35.23 | itchi | amphi: Because i get this error http://pastebin.ca/242706 |
| 16:35.25 | Braindead | PupenoR_: right. check man tune2fs |
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| 16:36.37 | PupenoR_ | Is the check really needed on ext3 ? |
| 16:37.13 | stew | PupenoR_: yes |
| 16:37.26 | stew | and yes |
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| 16:38.34 | amphi | itchi: do you have kernel source installed, or just headers? |
| 16:39.10 | itchi | ii linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 2.6.17-9 Header files for Linux 2.6.17 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 16:39.19 | kjdis | What's the best way to configure software raid in debian? |
| 16:39.31 | PupenoR_ | We recently have the problem that a server was behaving funny so it was restarted. It did a check of a big filesystem taking a lot of time to complete. During that time the server should have been performing its critical task. Is there any way to prevent this downtime ? |
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| 16:40.00 | itchi | amphi: Is there not an source package for the 2.6.17-2-686? It's an dual core is it the right kernel version? |
| 16:40.07 | Braindead | PupenoR_: not rebooting? man tune2fs? |
| 16:40.15 | amphi | itchi: perhaps you need the source, dunno |
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| 16:40.21 | Braindead | PupenoR_: if it's critical,redundancy? |
| 16:40.42 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea about dual core; I presume you need to use an smp kernel |
| 16:41.04 | itchi | amphi: Yes, have that installed. I have found the package linux-tree-2.6.17 is it that? |
| 16:41.12 | PupenoR_ | Unfortunately, there are no resources for redundancy, which would be a nice and correct solution. |
| 16:41.40 | amphi | itchi: dunno |
| 16:41.50 | stew | itchi: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:42.34 | jelly | !usa |
| 16:42.34 | dpkg | usa is probably a degraded toilet roll that has been laying on the piss soking toilet matt for 10years, or a continent with a large amount of crack addicts, or wishes to be the center of the world, or really just where everyone else wishes they were. a shitty country that wishes to destroy software market using patents |
| 16:42.38 | itchi | stew: I try to setup my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 16:42.52 | jelly | hmm |
| 16:43.15 | jelly | that factoid is extremely subjective and wrond |
| 16:43.17 | jelly | wrong |
| 16:43.20 | itchi | stew: So downloading the driver on http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=7&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false and trying to install it. Looks like i need the kernel source i think |
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| 16:43.32 | stew | itchi: you are running etch? |
| 16:43.33 | mzilikazi | jelly, agreed - wtf? |
| 16:43.37 | jelly | dpkg, usa =~ s/soking/soaking/ |
| 16:43.38 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 16:43.43 | enouf | PupenoR_: so force the check when you can afford some time .. as stated seeman tune2fs |
| 16:43.43 | itchi | stew: Yes |
| 16:43.43 | jelly | now, that's better. ;-) |
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| 16:44.01 | stew | itchi: the kernel source package is named "linux-source-2.6.17" |
| 16:44.04 | itchi | stew: It's an brand new laptop. |
| 16:44.36 | earthian|v2 | omg.. jelly is ev0l |
| 16:44.38 | earthian|v2 | >:D |
| 16:44.49 | itchi | stew: Thanks ;-) That -x notation perturb me a bit ;-) |
| 16:45.00 | stew | itchi: -x notation? |
| 16:45.06 | enouf | jelly: piss 'soaked' |
| 16:45.16 | mzilikazi | dpkg used to be the most intelligent one in here |
| 16:45.23 | jelly | enouf: hm, yes. |
| 16:45.37 | jelly | dpkg, usa =~ s/soaking/soaked/ |
| 16:45.37 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 16:45.43 | stew | !forget usa |
| 16:45.43 | dpkg | stew: i forgot usa |
| 16:45.43 | jelly | enouf++ |
| 16:45.50 | itchi | stew: Yes, like i have the 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 16:46.01 | itchi | stew: The -2-686 |
| 16:46.11 | earthian|v2 | :/ |
| 16:46.12 | earthian|v2 | !usa |
| 16:46.17 | earthian|v2 | :\ |
| 16:46.31 | jelly | there is no usa |
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| 16:47.03 | itchi | Okay, kernel source installed. I do again make clean modules. But get the same error |
| 16:47.19 | sandman | Anyone use debian's teamspeak-client? |
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| 16:49.26 | darrh00 | How to use experimental of debian,say I have added deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free,and did a upgrade,but I still can not find evince (0.6.1-1) experimental according debian's package search |
| 16:49.34 | richjkl | Is there any way to remove a package completely so that I can reinstall it as if it was never on the system in the first place? |
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| 16:50.01 | itchi | richjkl: You need to purge it |
| 16:50.10 | darrh00 | richjkl:apt-get remove --purge xxx? |
| 16:50.12 | enouf | richjkl: apt-get --purge remove <pkg> |
| 16:50.30 | stew | itchi: what error? |
| 16:50.44 | stew | itchi: are you following "/msg dpkg kp" |
| 16:51.06 | itchi | stew: http://pastebin.ca/242706 See also in the description |
| 16:51.15 | itchi | stew: No, gona listen to dpkg |
| 16:52.14 | itchi | stew: So i need to recompile an kernel? |
| 16:52.47 | stew | itchi: no you don't, it looks like it finds your -headers, which means you didn't need -source in the first place |
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| 16:53.05 | stew | itchi: what does "gcc --version | head -1" say? |
| 16:53.21 | itchi | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13) |
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| 16:54.09 | jelly | !uk |
| 16:54.09 | dpkg | it has been said that uk is great britain, northern ireland, wales and scotland |
| 16:54.22 | jelly | that is more appropriate |
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| 16:55.04 | mzilikazi | jelly, you forgot "big brother is watching you" |
| 16:55.56 | Braindead | darrh00: aptitude install foo/experimental or -t experimental as an option |
| 16:56.27 | stew | !experimental |
| 16:56.27 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 16:57.52 | sandman | When I use teamspeak in Debian, I can hear what other people are saying, but when I try to talk, it comes across as a buzzing sound. |
| 16:58.17 | sandman | No voice. I was thinking it has to do with the devnode it's pointing to |
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| 16:59.16 | sandman | I tried pointing it to /dev/audio, but it exibited the same behavior |
| 16:59.32 | nayyares | which open source web-hosting mangement tools is considered as the best, any recommendation ? |
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| 17:00.17 | cahoot | sandman: already digested this? http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Sound |
| 17:00.19 | earthian|v2 | hey, i am trying to start gdm, but it breaks debian etch: monitor goes blank, mouse/keyboard are nonresponsive |
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| 17:00.54 | earthian|v2 | and before all this happens i hear a beep |
| 17:00.58 | earthian|v2 | :( |
| 17:01.00 | earthian|v2 | help |
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| 17:02.24 | rgsteele | Not sure what gdm is. So I'm probably not going to be much help. |
| 17:02.54 | earthian|v2 | gnome display manager |
| 17:02.54 | earthian|v2 | :S |
| 17:02.58 | Ronin | gnome display maager |
| 17:03.02 | earthian|v2 | i am trying to start X |
| 17:03.02 | Ronin | doh |
| 17:03.10 | rgsteele | I dunno. I use KDE |
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| 17:03.24 | rgsteele | Do you have access to the logs at all? |
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| 17:03.27 | rgsteele | I'd check syslog |
| 17:03.40 | earthian|v2 | well.. will have to hardrestart again :/ |
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| 17:04.03 | rgsteele | Well, considering where you are at the moment, I'm not seeing the real con to that |
| 17:04.43 | earthian|v2 | :/ |
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| 17:05.31 | nayyares | which open source web-hosting mangement tools is considered as the best, any recommendation ? |
| 17:05.43 | sandman | cahoot: Working on it |
| 17:06.11 | itchi | earthian|v2: you can use irsi as cli irc client |
| 17:06.16 | cahoot | sandman: noticed it's grown a bit since I last looked |
| 17:06.17 | itchi | earthian|v2: oeps, irssi |
| 17:06.33 | rgsteele | nayyares: It might depend on what webserver you're running |
| 17:07.04 | rgsteele | nayyares: I manage mine with custom in-house tools, but I hear CPanel sucks if you're looking for what isn't the best. |
| 17:07.13 | nayyares | rgsteele, Apache,php,mysql |
| 17:07.29 | rgsteele | nayyares: Ask #apache |
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| 17:11.38 | nayyares | rgsteele, in fact i will setup for support people and they are suppose to do all stuff from that, i am looking for best one, i d;nt want to use CPANEL. |
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| 17:12.38 | itchi | The touchpad mouse is so slow, i need to many finger jumps to reach the other corner on the screen. How can i define the speed of the pointer? |
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| 17:13.52 | amphi | itchi: you can set the accel with xset |
| 17:14.33 | rgsteele | nayyares: That's why I said CPanel isn't the best. |
| 17:14.42 | stew | itchi: "man synaptics" if you are using the synaptics driver |
| 17:14.43 | Eulex | itchi, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad is a good howto on how to configure xorg for your touchpad |
| 17:14.48 | rgsteele | nayyares: I dunno. Ask #apache |
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| 17:15.24 | itchi | stew: I have try with [gq]ynaptics, but no one does effect |
| 17:15.40 | itchi | Gona try with accel |
| 17:16.09 | stew | itchi: are you using the synaptics driver? |
| 17:16.12 | itchi | ow i meaned the accell with xset |
| 17:17.01 | itchi | stew: Want the xorg.conf file ? |
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| 17:17.47 | stew | itchi: no, i just want you to tell me if you are using the synaptics driver |
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| 17:18.50 | itchi | stew: I not remember that i had need to load an module or somethings, there was just an need to add an line in the xorg.conf file according to the docs. Maybe i have forget somethings? |
| 17:18.54 | abhinay | i recently installed debian |
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| 17:19.30 | cydork | woot compiz reached etch. |
| 17:19.37 | abhinay | dual booting with fedora, after the installation of debian, the fedora system is not detecting the swap space, showing 0 bytes of 0 bytes of swap space is used |
| 17:21.08 | dutche- | eeyore-, hi man, about NFS, do you know why when I mount with my client and do 'ls -l' command, it shows me the user different from normal? |
| 17:21.34 | dutche- | eeyore-, have some way to mount an nfs with a specific user? |
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| 17:22.33 | d0uglas | So. Got this weird urge to compile firefox. On a 1.7ghz cpu, what kind of time is this gonna cost me? hours? most of the day? ... uncompressing it alone took several minutes |
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| 17:23.10 | jelly | d0uglas: how much memory |
| 17:23.19 | d0uglas | five twelve |
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| 17:23.52 | jelly | d0uglas: (not that I've ever compiled it, but if you have a crapload of memory you could try compiling it in tmpfs ;-) |
| 17:24.05 | jelly | nah, not enough |
| 17:24.07 | Feax | what is the package gcc-c++ ? That say me it doesnt exist ?! |
| 17:24.08 | d0uglas | hmm interesting.. but 512 isn't a crapload per se i suppose |
| 17:24.13 | dendrite | abhinay: Well, is the swap partition still intact? Is it the same disk ID as before? If you re-make the swap manually, does it work? |
| 17:24.22 | jelly | d0uglas: was thinking more in 4-8GB range |
| 17:24.40 | Braindead | d0uglas: "weird urge to compile firefox" ? |
| 17:24.43 | d0uglas | well i might as well just try it and see, i could always control c out of it, not as root so no blood no foul |
| 17:24.50 | Braindead | the devil made you do it? |
| 17:24.56 | nkuttler | Feax: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:25.07 | dendrite | Braindead: The devel made him do it. =) |
| 17:25.14 | Braindead | aaha |
| 17:25.17 | jelly | d0uglas: I wonder how many MB of build-depends did you have to install. |
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| 17:25.28 | d0uglas | braindead: i didn't say i was going to switch to gentoo, i just want to see if i've got it in me .. all these tar flags and ./ stuff before the commands shock and confuse me |
| 17:25.44 | Feax | nkuttler, http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/step2/debian.html the 2 line |
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| 17:26.15 | abhinay | dendrite: so i need to edit the fstab file , if the swap disk ID is changed , right ? |
| 17:26.30 | Braindead | d0uglas: in gentoo the process is more or less automated so it less painful. but still it's gonna take long and still it's useless. there's absolutely no point in what you're doing,pure waste of time and electricity |
| 17:26.35 | jelly | Feax: heh, you're the second one today that tries to compile hplip instead of just using packages. |
| 17:26.38 | dendrite | abhinay: If by disk ID you mean partition number, yes. |
| 17:26.54 | abhinay | dendrite: yes |
| 17:26.56 | Feax | jelly, before I used that for HPLIP |
| 17:27.05 | earthian|v2 | hm.. gdm log shows errors that current 0 display is not compatible with dri ... it is mentioning smth about aiglx :S |
| 17:27.06 | d0uglas | braindead: i'm not proud of it, but i still have the A/C on full blast when i sleep, live in nyc |
| 17:27.09 | Feax | jelly, what is the package gcc-++ ? |
| 17:27.23 | Braindead | Feax: install hplip from backports |
| 17:27.25 | jelly | Feax: g++ is the C++ compiler... |
| 17:27.32 | Braindead | !tell Feax about backports |
| 17:28.01 | Feax | Braindead, I have backport |
| 17:28.05 | itchi | stew: Should i need to load an module or so? |
| 17:28.14 | Braindead | Feax: so no need to compile. end of the problem |
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| 17:28.24 | stew | itchi: no |
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| 17:28.29 | Feax | Braindead, apt-get install hplip ? |
| 17:28.41 | abhinay | dendrite: LABEL=SWAP-hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 : this is the entry for the swap , i think, the LABEL of swap partition has changed. |
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| 17:28.47 | d0uglas | well this may not be an issue as this is already off to a bad start, but i got this, configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required, then i tried ./configure --enable-application=APP, got the same error (plus a bunch of other stuff preceeding it) |
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| 17:28.48 | penguin__ | WHat does it mean when apt-get update fails to get some headers? |
| 17:29.08 | XrMb2 | if i'm using postfix as MTA and mailq says that the mail queue is empty, are there then any mails which are beeing sent? |
| 17:29.19 | jelly | Feax: that gcc-c++ is a mistake. They probably meant g++ |
| 17:29.23 | XrMb2 | i mean, how can i figure out if there are mails currently beeing sent? |
| 17:29.29 | dendrite | abhinay: No idea what fedora wants there, of course. |
| 17:29.33 | Braindead | Feax: you either have hplip from sarge/stable installed or have installed it from backports (if you really need a more recent version) anyway jump to step 4 of that howto (that howto is outdated and incorrect anyway) |
| 17:29.33 | gimmulf | How do i setup an subdomain for my server? |
| 17:29.35 | itchi | stew: Have just find an factoid in dpkg, following him |
| 17:30.14 | dendrite | abhinay: I was being purposely vague when I asked if the disk ID had changed. Now you see why... |
| 17:31.39 | richjkl | I keep on getting messages like (Reading database ... dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `php5-cgi' missing, ... (more of the same) ... ) whenever I use apt-get, is there any way to update the dpkg database? |
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| 17:36.00 | moshii | richjkl: have you tried apt-get --reinstall install php5-cgi |
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| 17:36.49 | moshii | richjkl: my thinking is that the files has got corrupted (power outage or someething during apt activity) and reinstalling php5-cgi may fix it |
| 17:37.02 | moshii | richjkl: *files list |
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| 17:37.09 | itchi | I have some errors in dmesg about my touchpad mouse http://pastebin.ca/242761 |
| 17:37.49 | gimmulf | How do i configure a domain in debian? want mail.mydomain.com to point to my mailserver, the domain is already pointing to my server |
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| 17:39.33 | richjkl | moshii: Well, here's what happened. I was messing around with my server today and I installed php5-gd, but that package assumed I was using apache, not apache2, so it messed up some of the configuration. I tried to remove php5-gd, but the changes were still there. I figured that I'd fix the problem by simply removing the apache2 directory and reinstalling, to have everything installed as it did when I first installed it... |
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| 17:40.19 | XrMb2 | how can i use `find` to locate files which have a _minimum_ size...for example of 100MByte? |
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| 17:40.24 | moshii | richjkl: you should have used --purge |
| 17:40.39 | richjkl | I know that now |
| 17:40.42 | richjkl | But now a few hours ago |
| 17:40.43 | moshii | richjkl: have you tried the reinstall of php5-cgi? |
| 17:40.53 | moshii | richjkl: or manaually install it with dpkg |
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| 17:41.01 | gimmulf | Where is the zonefile located? |
| 17:41.20 | richjkl | moshii: apt-get install php5-cgi says that it's already installed. |
| 17:41.43 | richjkl | Oh, but reinstall worked. |
| 17:41.47 | moshii | richjkl: that's why you use --reinstall |
| 17:41.57 | moshii | richjkl: has the erro gone away? |
| 17:42.11 | richjkl | Yeah, that's what I meant |
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| 17:42.55 | lindenle | anyone having trouble with gaim and IRC? |
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| 17:43.12 | penguin__ | In my experience removing directories with Debian is not a good idea |
| 17:43.30 | richjkl | penguin__: Yeah, I just learne dthat. |
| 17:44.01 | moshii | penguin__: as long us your in /home/ or */local you're fine |
| 17:44.13 | penguin__ | I mean as root |
| 17:44.27 | moshii | penguin__: but dpkg tracks conf files etc, so going around ripping that out isn't a good idea |
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| 17:44.38 | sparrwork | yes, i know this isnt #ubuntu. feel free to ignore me, it wont hurt my feelings. I installed kubuntu and 3d acceleration on my i865 onboard 'just worked', detected as i810. I did an update in Adept, possibly getting new/bad drivers. I installed a few seemingly unrelated packages. Now I have rebooted and have no 3D acceleration (slow gl screensavers, glxgears. direct rendering: no in glxinfo) |
| 17:44.48 | moshii | penguin__: using rm -rf etc isn't a good idea |
| 17:45.24 | penguin__ | or rm -r * |
| 17:45.34 | moshii | sparrwork: you should ask in #ubuntu, because their xorg packages etc will differ |
| 17:45.53 | penguin__ | cd /; rm -r * |
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| 17:46.06 | stew | penguin__: please don't |
| 17:46.43 | moshii | sparrwork: with dri ti could be x, it could be mesa, or it could be your kernel.. |
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| 17:49.13 | sparrwork | moshii: ok, thanks for the pointers at least |
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| 17:51.06 | penguin__ | apt-get update hasnt retrieved all the headers for like two days. |
| 17:51.16 | penguin__ | What does that mean? |
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| 17:52.37 | lindenle | I mean gaim |
| 17:52.53 | JordiGH | Which is the Debian logo? The swirl or the swirl with the bottle, and which one can't be modified and redistributed? (say, to make a LUG logo.) |
| 17:53.03 | itchi | stew: I don't find any info to setup the speed of the touchpad, only tapping, scrolling and so. But that i not need right now. Just that the mouse is not usable now |
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| 17:53.29 | stew | itchi: are you using the synaptics driver? |
| 17:53.41 | lindenle | ok that crashed again... |
| 17:53.45 | itchi | stew: I have install these packages yes |
| 17:54.02 | richjkl | Is there any way way for apt-get to remove all of the packages related/dependant on another package? |
| 17:54.18 | itchi | stew: Like dpkg tell to do, but not have setup somethings, i just looking how to, like i not find the 'speed' option |
| 17:54.27 | JordiGH | richjkl: Not that I know of, but aptitude does this automatically. |
| 17:54.31 | JordiGH | aptitude! |
| 17:54.32 | JordiGH | !aptitude |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 17:54.33 | moshii | richjkl: consider using aptitude |
| 17:54.49 | stew | itchi: "man 5 synaptics" |
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| 17:56.01 | a1fa | ~mplayer |
| 17:56.02 | apt | somebody said mplayer was read http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian, or /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:56.02 | krazykit | hrm. why does debian name my ralink card "eth1"? can i change that to ra0? |
| 17:56.12 | stew | !mplayer |
| 17:56.12 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is in Debian (sid). But maybe you want to use vlc or xine instead? Feel free to also see <marillat>, <mplayer faq>, <w32codecs>. Or look at "http://www.debian-multimedia.org/". |
| 17:56.27 | JordiGH | richjkl: But aptitude only works that way if you use it for packages it autmoatically installed itself. |
| 17:56.53 | stew | no mplayer backport yet |
| 17:56.53 | JordiGH | Switching from apt-get to aptitude can be a chore, but consistently using aptitude from a clean installation is bliss. :-) |
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| 17:58.25 | h3sp4wn | the debian multimedia mplayer is more featureful (but against the guidelines) |
| 17:58.54 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: What does it break of the Debian policy? |
| 17:59.02 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Or you mean the DFSG? Never mind. |
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| 17:59.19 | Feax | flashplayer-mozilla -> Where is this package gone ?! |
| 17:59.28 | damnage_hack | hi. is there some debian mirror for the Bluetooth alsa binaries (possibly in my region, i live in germany) |
| 17:59.52 | Braindead | Feax: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:59.55 | Feax | !info flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:59.57 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: something to do with dynamic linking |
| 18:00.08 | itchi | stew: Is it so Option "AccelFactor" "5.5" ? |
| 18:00.19 | damnage_hack | !info flashplayer-mozilla |
| 18:00.21 | JordiGH | Feax: That package is in Marillat. You want flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 18:00.26 | Feax | Braindead, I have flashplugin-nonfree but I need flashplayer-mozilla for flasg work :s |
| 18:00.51 | Braindead | Feax: it's the same thing. flashplayer-mozilla is just packaged by marillat |
| 18:01.10 | damnage_hack | !info btsco |
| 18:01.11 | stew | itchi: and MinSpeed and MaxSpeed |
| 18:01.12 | Feax | Braindead, with that is work, without it don't work for me |
| 18:01.15 | Feax | !marillat |
| 18:01.15 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:01.25 | JordiGH | Feax: No you don't. There is only one Flash player for Linux. If something doesn't work that's because Macro^H^H^H^H^H Adobe doesn't want to make a good player for Linux (and a blob player at that). |
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| 18:01.52 | JordiGH | I should correct that. Gnash is starting to work, but it's not there yet. |
| 18:01.53 | JordiGH | !gnash |
| 18:01.53 | dpkg | [gnash] a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 18:02.28 | sandman | Anyone know of a good Voice over IP client? |
| 18:02.33 | itchi | stew: Ow ow ow, cooool it's to fast now :-p |
| 18:02.44 | sandman | TS2 appears to have limited linux support (it doesn't like to use /dev/adsp, for instance) |
| 18:02.50 | JordiGH | Feax: flashplugin-nonfree just downloads the player from Adobe anyways. |
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| 18:02.58 | itchi | stew: Okay, we need the 3 lines at least, had only the first one |
| 18:03.30 | eeyore- | it would be lovely to get my usb bluetooth dongle (yeah, it's the CS chipset) to support the handsfree profile |
| 18:03.30 | Feax | JordiGH, wutg flashplayer-mozilla it works now ! so it is not the same |
| 18:03.34 | eeyore- | it *sorta kinda* works |
| 18:03.36 | lindenle | ok moved up to beta4-4 of gaim |
| 18:03.44 | eeyore- | but audio is real scratchy |
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| 18:04.06 | JordiGH | Feax: It is the same. Marillat is probably installing it somewhere it shouldn't be. |
| 18:04.37 | Feax | JordiGH, with marillat that works so I don't search what is good or wrong :P |
| 18:05.07 | itchi | stew: Thanks man, the mouse is working near right now ;-) Just need to play with the floats |
| 18:05.15 | JordiGH | Feax: *shrug* flashplugin-nonfree works for me for everything I've tried so far. I'd still would rather be using Gnash, though. |
| 18:05.35 | JordiGH | !wutg |
| 18:05.40 | Feax | JordiGH, marbe |
| 18:05.42 | Feax | maybe |
| 18:05.44 | JordiGH | !wtf wutg |
| 18:05.45 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 18:05.49 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 18:06.00 | JordiGH | wtf is wutg? |
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| 18:06.11 | itchi | stew: Now the 2 network cards :-p |
| 18:06.23 | jez | Is it possible to make a quantifier in 'sed' non-greedy? |
| 18:06.43 | JordiGH | Oh. Wutg is "with" with the right hand one key to the left from the home row. :P |
| 18:06.57 | bytekode | :D |
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| 18:07.34 | JordiGH | Those substitution cypher typos are always the hardest to spot. |
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| 18:08.03 | raf256 | lol |
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| 18:08.13 | raf256 | wehy there is ##debian in addition to #debian |
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| 18:08.38 | JordiGH | !lol |
| 18:08.38 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:08.44 | raf256 | anyway, is there an HTTP download program with resume and with controll of maximum download rate/speed |
| 18:08.58 | JordiGH | wget? |
| 18:09.03 | JordiGH | !wget |
| 18:09.03 | dpkg | well, wget is an excellent file retrieval utility (HTTP and FTP) with many options, or the command `apt-get install wget wget-ssl` Winner of the greycat award for "Package Whose Man Page is Least Likely to be Read by Newbies". |
| 18:09.03 | grahal | how do I set postfix as the default mta? can't find what is the package to specify with update-alternatives |
| 18:09.04 | raf256 | I can set speed? |
| 18:09.21 | JordiGH | I think wget can set speed... not sure, though. |
| 18:09.30 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.34 | raf256 | I should had read man |
| 18:10.26 | JordiGH | Wasn't there something we should be using instead of wget? (Feel free to give me the "Your Software of Choice Sucks" spiel.) |
| 18:10.49 | Feax | when I go to http://localhost/phpsysinfo I het a PHTML file, how can I do ? |
| 18:10.49 | knoxy | I've installed debian sarge and today I install windows xp.. The grub is out and I boot debian CD and with cfdisk I changed Linux to Bootable.. but on boot loading I dont see grub and it says a error: "L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99......" somebody help-me, please?? |
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| 18:10.53 | Hoxzer | !w/e |
| 18:11.15 | knoxy | * I've a linux and windows partition |
| 18:11.30 | JordiGH | knoxy: Ack. You shouldn't install the Other after you install Debian. The Other is greedy and impolite and won't care if there's already something in the mbr, and it'll happily overwrite the mbr and corrupt it. |
| 18:11.37 | cydork | !tell knoxy -about fixmbr |
| 18:11.41 | JordiGH | knoxy: You need to reinstall grub. |
| 18:11.55 | blondie | hmm |
| 18:12.14 | amphi | knoxy: grub and linux don't care about the bootable flag |
| 18:12.15 | blondie | the sarge net install CD for sparc just drops me to a "boot:" prompt when I boot from it... is that normal? |
| 18:12.30 | knoxy | thanks for all |
| 18:13.28 | JordiGH | blondie: Yes. Hit enter. |
| 18:13.33 | bytekode | :> |
| 18:13.34 | blondie | coh |
| 18:13.36 | blondie | -c |
| 18:13.38 | blondie | :| |
| 18:14.07 | blondie | how do you specify 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:14.23 | JordiGH | blondie: Unless y'know want to pass boot options. I think linux26 is what you want. |
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| 18:14.38 | blondie | it rejects that |
| 18:14.48 | JordiGH | blondie: Do sparcs have function keys? F1 or F2 helps in an i386. |
| 18:15.13 | blondie | JordiGH: they do, don't know about when using serial console. |
| 18:15.33 | mlowe | !tell blondie about enter |
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| 18:15.44 | JordiGH | blondie: Your googling is as good as mine. I'll race ya. |
| 18:15.54 | blondie | mlowe: don't be insolent |
| 18:16.11 | moshii | blondie: what openprom is it? |
| 18:16.20 | moshii | blondie: or it openfirmware? |
| 18:16.41 | mlowe | blondie, 6 lines no question, insolent ? |
| 18:16.43 | blondie | OpenBoot 4.5 |
| 18:16.58 | blondie | mlowe: don't put a space before question marks. |
| 18:17.04 | jez | I can't believe you cant get a regexp in sed to do non-greedy pattern matching |
| 18:17.20 | cydork | jez: non-greedy? |
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| 18:17.23 | moshii | blondie: hmm I've only worked with older sparcs using the openprom thingy |
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| 18:17.44 | JordiGH | cydork: moo and mooo match but not mooooooooo. Non-greedy. |
| 18:17.54 | jez | cydork: yeah |
| 18:18.05 | jetx | what should i do with these spare functional 233's that are just sitting around |
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| 18:18.19 | cydork | oh ok |
| 18:18.20 | bytekode | routers/firewalls |
| 18:18.34 | jez | the '?' on the end thing doesnt seem to make a difference |
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| 18:18.35 | cureless | doorstops |
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| 18:19.00 | SEJeff | Would anyone know how to get samhain to dump the sum of a file to stdout so it could be used to compare to the sum of a file on another machine showing strange symptoms? |
| 18:19.01 | cureless | the "?" means 0 or 1 |
| 18:19.05 | earthian|v2 | can somebody guide me on fglrx driver installation?? currently i get error by running ./ati-...-8.30.2.run --buildpkg Debian/etch make: dh_testdir: command not found <-- what could cause that what is missing? |
| 18:19.17 | SEJeff | The man page and google aren't helping much |
| 18:19.18 | JordiGH | jetx: My desktop computer is a 233. :-) Running Debian, and it's the machine on which I do all of my work. It runs KDE with about 200 megs of RAM. |
| 18:19.25 | stew | jez: you can use perl |
| 18:19.37 | jez | sigh |
| 18:19.45 | jez | i love perl, but it is the 747 of tools |
| 18:19.49 | jez | it's massive to install |
| 18:19.56 | jetx | JordiGH: i already have a debian desktop though, don't need another desk :) |
| 18:20.08 | jetx | i really have no use for the others |
| 18:20.11 | stew | jez: its impossible to have a working debian without perl installed |
| 18:20.16 | justin | earthian|v2: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:20.25 | JordiGH | jez: Not a 747. Swiss army chainsaw of Debian. :-) |
| 18:20.27 | SEJeff | jez, and what does that make python? |
| 18:20.34 | jez | crap :-) |
| 18:20.44 | SEJeff | ha |
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| 18:21.03 | jetx | they don't even have agp... i only have one pci vid care :) |
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| 18:21.14 | jetx | card |
| 18:21.29 | jez | is there really no other unix util than sed (not perl/python) that will deal with regexps? |
| 18:21.30 | JordiGH | Argh. I can't find notes online for the boot options of the sarge netinstall. |
| 18:21.36 | jez | matching and replacement/ |
| 18:21.49 | jetx | what is gawk/awk |
| 18:22.08 | jelly | jez: what's wrong with sed and perl? |
| 18:22.11 | jetx | JordiGH: you hit f3 or something |
| 18:22.24 | JordiGH | jetx: In a sparc? blondie was complaining that doesn't work. |
| 18:22.27 | jetx | o |
| 18:22.29 | jetx | nm |
| 18:22.35 | jetx | eye no nuthing |
| 18:23.05 | stew | jez: some variant of awk perhaps |
| 18:23.19 | evilbulgarian | hi, can someone recommend something to use for a udp load balancer? I need to load balance a bunch of pc |
| 18:23.28 | JordiGH | blondie: You still there? I can only find "linux26". If that doesn't work, maybe you'll have to install it later. :-/ |
| 18:23.29 | stew | jez: buy why not just use "perl -p -e 's/m(.*?)o/$1/g'" or whatever, and be done with it |
| 18:23.45 | jetx | expert26 ? |
| 18:23.54 | jetx | expert ? |
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| 18:24.00 | blondie | there's not even an "expert" |
| 18:24.21 | jetx | i just know i386 :/ |
| 18:24.32 | JordiGH | blondie: Getting a different kernel has always been easy for me... on an i386. |
| 18:24.44 | richjkl | Is there any way for debian to remove everything except for the base system as if I just reformatted? |
| 18:24.50 | jetx | you could slap somebody in #debian-boot over there on that funny server |
| 18:24.51 | eeyore- | jez: when you say "non-greedy" i assume you mean "stop at whitespace boundary"? |
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| 18:25.16 | JordiGH | richjkl: Sure. Reinstall. |
| 18:26.04 | cureless | greedy = as much as the regex can match || non-greedy = the first match the regex gets. |
| 18:26.05 | jelly | eeyore-: he means "match as little as possible". |
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| 18:26.11 | mikefoo | Ok so I am stuck at grub> after a drive replacement, I have /boot and / software raided - I can't seem to hd0,0 and load kernel, says file/dir not found. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 18:26.18 | JordiGH | There's probably a hackier way to do it. Remove everything that isn't labelled "essential", but that's bound to be more painful than useful |
| 18:26.43 | eeyore- | jelly: that would be hard unless sed happens to support {} |
| 18:27.08 | cureless | evilbulgarian: what kind of load balancing are you looking for? You can do simple dns rotation. |
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| 18:27.21 | richjkl | <JordiGH> richjkl: Sure. Reinstall. <-- If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you explained to me how I'd go about doing that when the machine I'm working on is a few thousand miles away. |
| 18:27.31 | jelly | eeyore-: no, {} is also greedy, it just limits the number. He'd need ? modifier. |
| 18:27.36 | stew | eeyore-: perl supports it with *? vs * and +? vs + |
| 18:27.40 | JordiGH | richjkl: Drive? Fly? |
| 18:27.46 | evilbulgarian | cureless: something along the lines of haproxy or lvs but reading up on those they just dont seem to support udp |
| 18:27.53 | jelly | python's sre has ? too. ;-) |
| 18:28.04 | Feax | when I go to http://localhost/phpsysinfo I get a PHTML file, how can I do ? |
| 18:28.07 | bytekode | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.09 | bytekode | er |
| 18:28.11 | evilbulgarian | cureless: it is a p2p udp tracker |
| 18:28.17 | Flimzy | What real media players exist for Linux now days? |
| 18:28.27 | JordiGH | richjkl: What you can do is just use aptitude and apt-get to remove as much as possible. aptitude and apt-get will not remove (or at least they'll warn) if you try to remove anything from the base system. |
| 18:28.30 | cureless | evilbulgarian: I don't know what those do. But if you have multiple connections, just use dns rotation, it's dead simple. Otherwise you can use a firewall rule. |
| 18:29.00 | grahal | how do I set postfix as the default mta? can't find what is the package to specify with update-alternatives |
| 18:29.07 | eeyore- | good to know :-) |
| 18:29.18 | cureless | grahal: install postfix. |
| 18:29.21 | JordiGH | richjkl: Make sure you don't remove ssh or whatever, which is not part of the base install. ;-) |
| 18:29.23 | stew | grahal: you can only have one mta installed, so "apt-get install postfix" |
| 18:30.23 | grahal | it is installed. But when running an upgrade it prompts to remove postfix and install sendmail |
| 18:30.30 | keyboarder | what kernel module i need for rtl8139 eth chip in kernel 2.6.8 ? |
| 18:30.41 | cureless | grahal: sendmail? |
| 18:30.44 | abrotman | same module name |
| 18:30.49 | stew | grahal: what command are you typing? |
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| 18:31.01 | JordiGH | I've heard that FF2 is full of problems in GNU/Linux. Confirm, deny? |
| 18:31.05 | cureless | grahal: what debian are you running? |
| 18:31.12 | grahal | sarge |
| 18:31.14 | eeyore- | JordiGH: deny |
| 18:31.31 | JordiGH | eeyore-: More FUD, it seems. :-) |
| 18:31.43 | grahal | apt-get upgrade |
| 18:31.44 | stew | grahal: what is trying to do this? apt-get? aptitude? synaptic? |
| 18:31.48 | cureless | I had a similar problem on one of my systems, it moved me to exim |
| 18:31.53 | eeyore- | JordiGH: at least it 'works for me' in gentoo (hey, you said GNU/Linux, not debian :-) |
| 18:31.55 | cureless | I had to move it back to postfix. |
| 18:31.56 | stew | grahal: no, can't be. apt-get upgrade would never remove a package |
| 18:31.59 | douglas | so i'm in the console, got screen going... i go into x, fire up an x term, want to hop onto the console screened thing... screen -x, right? ain't working, get There is no screen to be attached. |
| 18:32.08 | JordiGH | eeyore-: It's not in Debian, so that's a good answer. :-) |
| 18:32.11 | stew | grahal: nor would it try to install a pacakge which wasn't already installed |
| 18:32.14 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Is the memory leak still there? |
| 18:32.26 | grahal | stew: now i'm confused. it doesn't prompt to remove a package |
| 18:32.37 | grahal | before I used aptitude |
| 18:32.43 | blondie | argh |
| 18:32.51 | blondie | it reckons the CD it booted from isn't in the drive. |
| 18:32.52 | eeyore- | JordiGH: well, i wouldn't notice. i just shut it down every now and then ... i log out and stuff, or just plain absentminded and close the client |
| 18:32.55 | blondie | talk about delusional |
| 18:33.00 | cureless | stew: I think some (broken) package he's trying to install depends on sendmail |
| 18:33.04 | amphi | d0uglas: screen -dr whatever |
| 18:33.11 | d0uglas | thanks amphi |
| 18:33.26 | stew | cureless: i think so to, but i want to know what command he is running, its definately not "apt-get upgrade" |
| 18:33.32 | stew | ^to^too |
| 18:33.36 | JordiGH | blondie: Hm. The BIOS and Debian disagree about your hardware, it seems. :-/ |
| 18:33.43 | eeyore- | JordiGH: but, i'm pretty sure the gripes are legitimate. there are bugs that are unfixed in 2.x branch that were fixed in 1.5.x branch |
| 18:33.43 | grahal | cureless, stew: the current situation is that apt-get upgrade wants to install sendmail-base sendmail-cf sensible-mda |
| 18:33.56 | stew | grahal: then you must already have those 3 packages installed |
| 18:34.05 | JordiGH | eeyore-: In the Debian 1.5.x branch? Let's gloat for a moment. :-) |
| 18:34.12 | eeyore- | blondie: sparc? |
| 18:34.14 | cureless | grahal: do an apt-get -u upgrade, what other packages are being upgraded? |
| 18:34.25 | d0uglas | amphi: ps -aux|grep screen reveals it's on tty2, so i screen -dr tty2 (is that what you meant by whatever?), same error. |
| 18:34.26 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Yes, blondie is using sparc. |
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| 18:34.41 | stew | grahal: its not removing postfix, however |
| 18:34.47 | grahal | cureless: a few... php4, apache.... |
| 18:34.50 | grahal | stew: correct |
| 18:34.57 | eeyore- | blondie: do you have to use the SPARC-y way of specifying cdrom? that ungodly /pci/.../.../...@.../... thing? |
| 18:34.58 | stew | grahal: so what exactly is the question? |
| 18:35.01 | cureless | grahal: are you sure you have postfix installed? |
| 18:35.08 | amphi | d0uglas: screen -r should tell you what attached screens there are |
| 18:35.23 | jelly | There's firefox 2.0b2 in experimental though |
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| 18:35.25 | grahal | stew: I guess aptitude had a different behavior and now I tried with apt-get |
| 18:35.34 | JordiGH | jelly: You mean iceweasel, right? |
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| 18:35.52 | jelly | JordiGH: no, I'm looking at apt-cache policy firefox |
| 18:35.54 | stew | JordiGH: no, he means firefox |
| 18:36.10 | d0uglas | amphi: Woah. Wasn't running screen, thought i had it in the .bash profile, nevermind! thanks |
| 18:36.17 | d0uglas | works |
| 18:36.22 | JordiGH | Hm. No way I'm putting experimental into my sources.list. I'll take your word for it. :P |
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| 18:37.04 | JordiGH | Is there even any guarantee that the stuff in experimental is policy-compliant? |
| 18:37.15 | stew | grahal: "aptitude upgrade" would not allow new packages to be installed either |
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| 18:37.24 | dan2 | any idea what happens when you put 2GB ram chips in a motherboard that says it only support 512mb per slot? |
| 18:37.26 | jelly | JordiGH: not apt-get nor aptitude willl install anything from exp. unless you explicitely ask for it |
| 18:37.33 | jelly | s/not/neither/ |
| 18:38.07 | JordiGH | dan2: It'll think they're not there, or it'll think that they're smaller than what they are. Alternatively, it'll explode. ;-) |
| 18:38.10 | blondie | eeyore-: er |
| 18:38.18 | stew | dan2: you get a beep error sequence and it doesn't boot, IME |
| 18:38.26 | dan2 | JordiGH: how likely is the latter |
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| 18:38.41 | JordiGH | dan2: Unlikely. (famous last words.) |
| 18:38.46 | JordiGH | !flw |
| 18:38.47 | dpkg | <spldart> been overclocking for years <pipeline> spldart: You've probably been an idiot since birth. The length of time involved isn't really the point. < spldart> this machine is 24/7 overclock for 3 years |
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| 18:39.14 | jelly | JordiGH: teehee, if that stuff were policy compliant it would be uploaded to unstable I guess. |
| 18:39.39 | JordiGH | jelly: Alright. I'm sold. I'm putting it in my sources.list :-) |
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| 18:39.56 | dan2 | stew: my employer mailed it to me with 2 2GB ram chips with ramsinks, a dual head matrox card, and some sort of intel dual core |
| 18:39.57 | jelly | JordiGH: Remember, I didn't tell you to do it! :-) |
| 18:40.14 | JordiGH | jelly: I'm just going to look at the menu; won't taste the exotic dishes. |
| 18:40.15 | cureless | dan2: so what's your problem? |
| 18:40.29 | dan2 | cureless: the manufacturer says it doesn't support more than 512 mb of ram |
| 18:40.32 | dan2 | per slot |
| 18:40.42 | dan2 | (4 slots) |
| 18:40.47 | grahal | stew: thanks. not sure why but it is behaving accordingly now.. |
| 18:41.10 | cureless | dan2: so they sent you the wrong motherboard? |
| 18:41.16 | dan2 | cureless: no |
| 18:41.23 | cureless | dan2: then the wrong memory? |
| 18:41.31 | dan2 | cureless: it's the right memory type, just too much |
| 18:41.38 | JordiGH | 4 gigs of ram. That would be nice. I could fit my current hard drive in RAM. |
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| 18:41.51 | abrotman | dan2: ask #hardware |
| 18:41.58 | jelly | JordiGH: yeah, I like being able to do stuff like aptitude changelog firefox/experimental or compiz/unstable, even though I'm not installing any of that cr*p |
| 18:42.17 | cureless | dan2: alternatively, I'll swap you your 2 2Gig sticks for 2 512M sticks :-) |
| 18:42.24 | JordiGH | jelly: You self-censure "crap"? How about G-d? Are you Jewish? |
| 18:42.26 | dan2 | that's a rip off |
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| 18:42.56 | cureless | dan2: functionally it's a bargain, you get a system that works :-) |
| 18:43.16 | dan2 | cureless, abrotman, stew: #hardware says it should work just fine |
| 18:43.24 | JordiGH | Ooh. |
| 18:43.29 | JordiGH | dan2: godspeed. |
| 18:43.32 | cureless | dan2: give it a go, its very unlikely to explode. |
| 18:43.34 | abrotman | dan2: i'm skeptical .. but ok |
| 18:43.42 | abrotman | dan2: worst that happens .. it beeps and won't start |
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| 18:43.50 | abrotman | dan2: you could look for a BIOS update too |
| 18:44.17 | cureless | dan2: you can also check the voltage of the chips and make sure the bios doesn't do a lot more than that ... assuming you can get safely to the bios. |
| 18:44.17 | JordiGH | Why does kmixer work even if I'm not using arts? |
| 18:44.34 | dan2 | cureless: how do I check that |
| 18:44.40 | cureless | kmixer doesn't like arts anyway, nobody likes arts. |
| 18:44.40 | JordiGH | "Voltage". Now you're just talking dirty. |
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| 18:44.59 | cureless | dan2: it's normally an option in most (some?) motherboards. It's used for overclocking. |
| 18:45.09 | JordiGH | cureless: Not even KDE likes arts? Well, fine, I know they don't, but shouldn't they at least tolerate it for now? |
| 18:45.33 | eeyore- | dan2: what kind of motherboard is this? they should support 1GB per slot these days |
| 18:45.50 | dan2 | eeyore-: Neo 945PL or something like that |
| 18:45.51 | eeyore- | dan2: unless it's some really really cheapie board ... |
| 18:46.03 | abrotman | dan2: intel chipset? |
| 18:46.06 | dan2 | yes |
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| 18:46.12 | abrotman | that's pretty new |
| 18:46.33 | jelly | JordiGH: the mentioned packages don't deserve being called proper crap. |
| 18:46.34 | dan2 | it's get onboard serial ata, pci 64 slots, and all the goods |
| 18:46.42 | eeyore- | dan2: does the manual actually say "512MB per slot" and other restrictions like "no double-sided memory" or "max of 16 chips" or some stuff? |
| 18:46.44 | cureless | I've never really known what makes a motherboard not support more memory, it could be just some limitation that will not let you see more (i.e. address lines missing or something), so you'll be safe, but will only be able to see 1 G of your 4 G. |
| 18:46.58 | dan2 | eeyore-: I just read the specs on the website of 512mb per slot |
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| 18:47.25 | cureless | dan2: just put the memory in and boot, it probably has lifetime warranty anyway. |
| 18:47.26 | JordiGH | cureless: It has one contact wire less? |||||||| = 256 but ||||||| = 128. |
| 18:47.27 | d0uglas | amphi: holy cow, screen is awesome |
| 18:47.27 | eeyore- | dan2: well, if accurate, then it probably won't POST |
| 18:47.31 | abrotman | Dual-channel DDR2 Memory Support Up to 10.7 GB/s of bandwith and 4GB memory addressability, for faster system responsiveness and support for 64-bit computing. |
| 18:47.34 | d0uglas | control a a baby |
| 18:47.35 | abrotman | http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945p/ |
| 18:47.55 | JordiGH | !tell d0uglas about moo |
| 18:47.56 | eeyore- | dan2: or, might POST but definitely detect less than whole amount. anyhow, it's not safe (data-wise) |
| 18:47.58 | dan2 | eeyore-: what does that mean |
| 18:48.11 | eeyore- | dan2: POST = power-on self test |
| 18:48.12 | d0uglas | JordiGH: :) |
| 18:48.21 | JordiGH | d0uglas: Sorry. :P |
| 18:48.25 | richjkl | How do I use aptitude to remove all of the packages that are dependant on another package/ |
| 18:48.47 | d0uglas | dpkg never gets old |
| 18:49.08 | abrotman | dan2: odd .. the doc i found says 1GB per slot |
| 18:49.08 | dan2 | oh |
| 18:49.08 | CharminTheMoose | how secure is apache 1.3.33? |
| 18:49.09 | d0uglas | screen, where have you been all my life (the majority of which I have spent being lame on irc)? |
| 18:49.09 | dan2 | abrotman: ok |
| 18:49.09 | jelly | richjkl: remove that other package. ;-) |
| 18:49.10 | cureless | dan2: I say boot and run memtest. |
| 18:49.10 | JordiGH | Dang. My MIT mirror just gave me some files that bzip can't uncompress. Wtf. |
| 18:49.10 | eeyore- | dan2: i'd be inclined to belive the 1GB per slot figure :-) |
| 18:49.31 | JordiGH | !info screen |
| 18:49.31 | cureless | d0uglas: having found screen does not mean you'll stop being lame on irc. |
| 18:49.33 | dan2 | eeyore-: so you're saying if it boots safely but that I might not have full access to memory? |
| 18:49.51 | dpkg | screen: (a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.3-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 571 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 18:49.51 | d0uglas | is there an x term that can identify a url and make it ... dare i say, clickable? |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | it's possible |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | d0uglas: yes |
| 18:49.54 | jelly | d0uglas: a number of them. |
| 18:49.58 | d0uglas | interesting |
| 18:50.08 | dan2 | eeyore-: the chipset web page says it has 4GB of memory accessibility |
| 18:50.09 | JordiGH | Which one? Konsole doesn't do it, I don't think. |
| 18:50.14 | eeyore- | dan2: no, if the limit is really 512MB/slot and you boot, chances are that you will get memory corruption (insufficient number of drivers per slot/bank) |
| 18:50.15 | Braindead | dan2: gnome-terminal |
| 18:50.21 | rgsteele | Does anyone here use ReiserFS, and have any thoughts about the possible implications of the future of the OS if he goes to jail? |
| 18:50.21 | d0uglas | ahh nice jordi with the follow-up |
| 18:50.24 | Braindead | d0uglas: that was for you |
| 18:50.25 | biopyte | hi. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' (testing) tells me it will take another 70MB diskspace. is there a straightforward way to find out which of the packages is going to take so much additional space? |
| 18:50.31 | d0uglas | <--- uses reiser |
| 18:50.47 | rgsteele | I was thinking about implementing it on some web servers, but having second thoughts now that he (being the lead dev) is probably getting put away for life for murder |
| 18:50.49 | JordiGH | biopyte: "so much"? :-/ |
| 18:50.51 | eeyore- | dan2: but, like abrotman said, i believe it's 1GB/slot :-) plug in, run memtest for five passes or so |
| 18:50.53 | cureless | rgsteele: reiserfs is not an OS |
| 18:50.53 | dan2 | eeyore-: I don't even have a box here with enough power for this thing I think |
| 18:50.56 | d0uglas | oh nice braindead ty |
| 18:51.01 | rgsteele | s/OS/Filesystem/ |
| 18:51.10 | eeyore- | dan2: heh? not enough power? |
| 18:51.33 | dan2 | eeyore-: what kind of power supply do I need for this without the hard drives in for testing |
| 18:51.40 | d0uglas | i hope kde doesn't get offended that i'm going to use this gnome terminal thing but i am tired of copy/pasting, i can't take it anymore |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | dan2: you don't have a 350W PSU ? |
| 18:52.08 | JordiGH | biopyte: Do upgrade first instead of dist-upgrade. See if that doesn't take that much more space. I think that if you dist-upgrade with aptitude interactively, you can easily see more details of what will get installed. |
| 18:52.14 | eeyore- | dan2: that's easy. look at the motherboard. does it have ATX 20-pin, or 24-pin, or 24-pin + 4-pin, or +8 pin, or various combinations of? :-) count them. |
| 18:52.16 | d0uglas | boy gnome-terminal sure is inviting a lot of friends for apt to install... |
| 18:52.17 | biopyte | Jordigh: well, '/' is becoming limiting here. and why should a upgrade take 70MB addtional space. i dont want to install new packages. just upgrade. |
| 18:52.25 | abrotman | d0uglas: duh ... |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | it's not called gtk-terminal |
| 18:52.37 | JordiGH | biopyte: If you don't want to install new packages, then do "upgrade", not "dist-upgrade". |
| 18:52.52 | jelly | d0uglas: xfce's Terminal for example. xfce4-terminal package. I think Konsole should do it too but haven't tried it in a while. |
| 18:52.58 | biopyte | JordiGH, i 'upgraded' already. |
| 18:53.06 | JordiGH | biopyte: Also, aptitude is going to disagree widely with apt-get on what a "dist-upgrade" means. For one, it's going to pull in all of the "recommended" things. |
| 18:53.13 | d0uglas | jelly: any of those do a good job of mimmicking the console font? i love that console font |
| 18:53.19 | eeyore- | d0uglas: if you want terminal, lightweight, xfce4 |
| 18:53.30 | dan2 | eeyore-: my boss who sent it to me was testing it before... he said linux saw all 4gb of memory |
| 18:53.33 | darrend | d0uglas: the xfce terminal can also do the url thing, it may have fewer deps |
| 18:53.34 | JordiGH | biopyte: Then you're good. dist-upgrade is more agressive about what "upgrade" means and it'll freely add and remove packages, while "upgrade" won't. |
| 18:53.51 | cureless | d0uglas: in konsole you can doubleclick on a url, it'll get selected and you should be presented with an option to open it in a browser (from klipper) |
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| 18:53.55 | eeyore- | dan2: why not just buy a prebuilt pretested dell? :-)))))) (sorry) |
| 18:54.03 | d0uglas | ok i'll try xfce, but can xfce do the console font? i'm getting the impression that it is impossible without being in the actual console |
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| 18:54.24 | biopyte | JordiGH, whenever i try aptitude it wants to kill 50% of my packages. i like to stay away from aptitude and stay with apt-get. |
| 18:54.29 | JordiGH | cureless: empiricism says otherwise. |
| 18:54.31 | eeyore- | d0uglas: that's an X thing. short answer: no. long answer: yes, with difficulty. |
| 18:54.46 | d0uglas | eeyore-: that is a readme i'd actually check out |
| 18:54.49 | JordiGH | biopyte: switching to aptitude from apt-get is rocky, but once you're there, it's great. |
| 18:54.58 | d0uglas | i mean, am i reaching for the stars here? |
| 18:55.01 | jelly | d0uglas: Hmm... I have this console8x16.pcf that I've stolen from RedHat9. There's terminus but it's too blocky for my taste. |
| 18:55.09 | cureless | JordiGH: funny, it works perfectly fine for me. |
| 18:55.09 | JordiGH | biopyte: Anyways, I told you what's going on. dist-upgrade makes more of a mess than upgrade does. |
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| 18:55.21 | d0uglas | jelly can you hook it up on the dcc? |
| 18:55.36 | eeyore- | d0uglas: longer answer: fbset -> write console font to file, install motif font editor, import psf font, export to pcf, compress pcf font, cross fingers |
| 18:55.53 | d0uglas | sigh |
| 18:56.22 | JordiGH | biopyte: Also, aptitude will look for other solutions. Usually somewhere deep in its conflict resolution tree is an option that will upgrade 25% of your packages instead of killing 50% of them. :-) |
| 18:56.25 | biopyte | JordiGH, lets come back to my question ;). how can i find out the size of the 'dist-upgrade' packages? |
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| 18:56.43 | eeyore- | d0uglas: but, why? there are some nice X fonts. try google for "profont windows". |
| 18:56.51 | JordiGH | biopyte: Write down the names of the packages, use apt-cache show to see their sizes. |
| 18:57.08 | cureless | JordiGH: even easier, go to klipper (the clipboard), configure it to popup where you select the text. Voila. default config in konsole should already select the whole url on double click. |
| 18:57.10 | jelly | d0uglas: no, but http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/console8x16.pcf |
| 18:57.15 | JordiGH | biopyte: Or automate this process a bit with regexps, awk, sed, and pipes and that sort of thing. |
| 18:57.18 | biopyte | JordiGH, ;), ok, that i can do of, course. |
| 18:57.22 | eeyore- | d0uglas: personally, for X, i prefer 7x13, or fixed 11 bold |
| 18:57.28 | jelly | eeyore-: NOTHING beats the vga font! |
| 18:57.35 | eeyore- | ugh |
| 18:57.41 | JordiGH | biopyte: But seriously, 70 mb for a dist-upgrade is quite standard. I often get that. :-/ |
| 18:57.42 | eeyore- | i hate vga font. gimme t850b any time |
| 18:57.46 | biopyte | JordiGH, i thought there was tool. |
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| 18:57.56 | eeyore- | or macintosh 'monaco' font. or, 'profont' |
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| 18:58.00 | JordiGH | biopyte: There IS a tool. It's aptitude! |
| 18:58.07 | darrend | any possibility of installing libapache2-svn from testing without upgrading apache from 2.0.x to 2.2.x ?? |
| 18:58.15 | eeyore- | console supports ProFont6x11 too, that's nice |
| 18:58.16 | JordiGH | biopyte: You'll have to use its conflict resolution scheme, though. |
| 18:58.19 | d0uglas | eeyore-: i grew up on the command line.. i still eat my pasta with plain tomato sauce out of the can, i guess it's nostalgic but i like it.. likewise, i'm jonesin' for that good ol' console font but i would love to be able to get some clipboardin' fun going between the "console" and x stuff |
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| 18:58.51 | d0uglas | so i figure if i get an xterm to be disguised as the console, i'm set |
| 18:58.58 | biopyte | JordiGH, aha, 70MB is not unusual? well, in that case i have to accept. that 'much' was new to me. |
| 18:59.10 | eeyore- | since i run my monitor in 1680x1050, profont6x11 lets me see a *whole* lot :-) |
| 18:59.24 | jelly | eeyore-: 6x11 is too tiny for my bad eyes |
| 18:59.38 | JordiGH | cureless: oh, double-clicking always selected the url for me. I just want it to open Konqui or FF or whatever. |
| 18:59.47 | d0uglas | darrend: just got it installed, thanks |
| 19:00.02 | cureless | JordiGH: klipper should give you a menu of actions to take on that url |
| 19:00.20 | jelly | eeyore-: useful for watching movies with aalib I guess :-) |
| 19:00.26 | biopyte | JordiGH. how can i shift smoothly from apt-get to aptitude? i dunno why, but aptitude always wants to kill the X-stuff, windowmanager and so on. i dont want to spend hours/days to fix that. |
| 19:00.30 | d0uglas | i've said this too many times already but damn i love framebuffer mode in the console.. but why does dpkg say it's slow? seems to work fine |
| 19:00.32 | cureless | JordiGH: it normally appears next to the klipper icon, but you can make it appear at the cursor |
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| 19:00.50 | amphi | d0uglas: vesafb is quite slow |
| 19:00.59 | d0uglas | i'm using radeonfb |
| 19:01.11 | JordiGH | biopyte: Switching to aptitude the couple of times I've done it has always been rocky. I basically need it to let make a mess and then it'll fix it again later. That's what happens when you give a broth to a new cook. |
| 19:01.15 | d0uglas | slow as in it slows down console stuff, or it takes x with it? |
| 19:01.24 | jelly | amphi: vesafb has ypan and ywrap to speed it up quite a bit. |
| 19:01.36 | JordiGH | biopyte: apt-get and aptitude have very different opinions on how to go about things. |
| 19:01.37 | amphi | d0uglas: that works well here; vesafb was slow enough I used w3m as $PAGER instead of less |
| 19:01.49 | d0uglas | for instance, using framebuffer mode when flooding dirty ascii art would lessen the experience? |
| 19:01.55 | d0uglas | I see |
| 19:02.02 | amphi | jelly: never worked too well for me, perhaps it was my card |
| 19:02.06 | biopyte | JordiGH, ok, switching is not trivial. so thats not a particular problem of my system here. thanks for the information. |
| 19:02.18 | eeyore- | d0uglas: it *could* be slow, on some cards. on ATI card it's slow, unless you use radeonfb, but then X suffers (console grabs the chip, fglrx can't do DRI) |
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| 19:02.21 | jelly | d0uglas: slow scroll. Try time cat some-large-file.txt |
| 19:02.30 | JordiGH | biopyte: For the record, the mess isn't ever too bad. It just takes time. :-/ |
| 19:02.44 | d0uglas | eeyore-: well that rules that out, gotta be able to watch those glx gears |
| 19:02.47 | eeyore- | d0uglas: on nvidia, it's fast with vga driver, and if you do load nvidiafb, same story as ATI |
| 19:02.51 | dan2 | eeyore-: do you think I'll be able to fire this up sans hard drives with a 350watt pws, I thought I had a 450 accessible |
| 19:02.54 | d0uglas | jelly: or rain or worms |
| 19:03.14 | cureless | dan2: yes |
| 19:03.17 | eeyore- | dan2: no reason why not? just go grab a knoppix CD or something (with memtest86 on it) |
| 19:03.35 | cureless | dan2: the processor doesn't eat that much power, neither does the matrox. |
| 19:03.36 | biopyte | JordiGH, i see. basically i have no problem with fiddling around. its fun. but at the moment i have no time for this kinfd of stuff. |
| 19:03.36 | dan2 | ok |
| 19:03.39 | jelly | d0uglas: or mplayer -vo aa if you want something unuseful ;-) |
| 19:03.43 | eeyore- | dan2: all you need are (1) board, (2) CPU, (3) memory, and (4) cooling fans all plugged in |
| 19:03.44 | dan2 | cureless: even a dual core? |
| 19:03.50 | biopyte | JordiGH, thanks a lot for all the info. |
| 19:03.53 | d0uglas | So all I hear about ati and nvidia is trash talk. It's not even an Is it cool, or is it whack debate, only trash talk. Does a Good video device manufacturer exist? |
| 19:03.54 | dan2 | eeyore-: how about a 250watt? |
| 19:03.56 | eeyore- | dan2: oh, and (5) video card |
| 19:03.59 | cureless | dan2: the processor? more modern processors have better power management. |
| 19:04.06 | d0uglas | jelly: spoil the surprise for me, what does -vo aa do? |
| 19:04.12 | dan2 | eeyore-: for the 350,I'd have to move the power supply out of another abandoned box |
| 19:04.16 | jelly | d0uglas: text mode |
| 19:04.16 | eeyore- | dan2: 250 watt is plenty |
| 19:04.22 | dan2 | for a matrox dual head? |
| 19:04.25 | cureless | dan2: yep, 250 is fine |
| 19:04.27 | eeyore- | dan2: processor probably dissipates 75 - 100 watts |
| 19:04.29 | dan2 | oh great |
| 19:04.32 | jelly | d0uglas: ascii art rendering of the video |
| 19:04.32 | dan2 | and the matrox? |
| 19:04.37 | d0uglas | !matrox |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cough*nVidia*cough*...... of course, drivers for any card built this millenium are binary-only for obsolete versions of Red Hat |
| 19:04.38 | cureless | dan2: which one, g400 ? maybe g500? it's fine |
| 19:04.39 | orestyle3 | What numbers should I have (for testing, like transfer rates, etc) in Debian to know if my raid is actually performing the way it should? |
| 19:04.54 | d0uglas | Hmm, sounds promising |
| 19:04.57 | dan2 | only one way to test right? |
| 19:05.27 | eeyore- | d0uglas: trash talk? i didn't talk trash. i just tell you the way things are. :-) |
| 19:05.33 | JordiGH | Clean install with aptitude are great, though. /me loves aptitude dearly. |
| 19:05.36 | cureless | dan2: the big power users are multiple hard drives and 3d video beasts. |
| 19:05.52 | eeyore- | d0uglas: fwiw, all modern cards are either nvidia or ati. and, personally, i prefer nvidia. their drivers are more modern. |
| 19:06.05 | JordiGH | !nvidia |
| 19:06.06 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:06.12 | eeyore- | d0uglas: trying to get something like aiglx/xgl going on ati is painful, compared to nvidia |
| 19:06.23 | dan2 | cureless: how do I tell which one (matrox) |
| 19:06.32 | JordiGH | eeyore-: My gf's lappy is a couple of years old and has an Intel card. |
| 19:06.32 | jelly | Supposedly new Intel onboard stuff (i965?) is decent enough. |
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| 19:06.45 | cureless | dan2: it doesn't matter, (you probably have a more modern g550 or some such). |
| 19:06.53 | dan2 | cureless: it's a g200 |
| 19:06.56 | dan2 | quad head |
| 19:07.02 | eeyore- | JordiGH: that's nice too, i guess. except for 3d ... probably good enough for aiglx, right? |
| 19:07.22 | cureless | dan2: really? ok. well, it should still be ok. |
| 19:07.27 | JordiGH | jelly: It is. I haven't tried OpenGL stuff on it yet, but I think I'm going to get a chance to mess with the lappy today! I need to install libdvdcss for her. She couldn't play DVDs today she rented because her lappy is from a different country. :-/ |
| 19:07.37 | d0uglas | I'm not trying to play quake here, i just want to one day go war walking with kismet using that python thing that outputs gps data into google earth kmz format and then fly around manhattan and see the pretty access points in 3D without having to switch to a windows box |
| 19:07.41 | d0uglas | i'm not reaching for the stars here |
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| 19:08.05 | sanmarcos | CYLONS!! |
| 19:08.13 | dan2 | ecuse me |
| 19:08.15 | dan2 | excuse me |
| 19:08.16 | cureless | d0uglas: though some statellites kind of behave like stars |
| 19:08.18 | dan2 | it supports up to 16 monitors |
| 19:08.28 | amphi | d0uglas: what card do you have? |
| 19:08.30 | eeyore- | d0uglas: short comment --- 'nvidia' |
| 19:08.35 | cureless | dan2: probably not on 1 card. |
| 19:08.45 | cureless | dan2: you use more cards for that |
| 19:08.49 | dan2 | cureless: well it appears to be dual head afaict |
| 19:08.54 | dan2 | quad head |
| 19:08.55 | JordiGH | eeyore-: I haven't tried 3d, but I haven't heard anything about it. I also posed this question a moment ago: http://community.livejournal.com/debian/308355.html |
| 19:08.55 | jelly | sanmarcos: toasters or skinjobs? |
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| 19:09.06 | JordiGH | Quake isn't reaching for the stars... but |
| 19:09.10 | dan2 | cureless: whatever it is, it looks powerful |
| 19:09.12 | JordiGH | !nexuiz |
| 19:09.12 | dpkg | i heard nexuiz is a back-to-basics deathmatch game, originally based on the Quake 1 engine but since heavily modded and customised, completely GPLed, including data files. |
| 19:09.13 | JordiGH | is. |
| 19:09.19 | cureless | dan2: all this still doesn't matter for your power problem. |
| 19:09.23 | d0uglas | eeyore-: nvidia huh.. well, i'm stuck on a laptop.. is it easy to sodder in an nvidia chipset or what? |
| 19:09.35 | cureless | dan2: how big is the fan? or does it not have one? (I don't think it does) |
| 19:09.36 | d0uglas | i take it they dont have a usb video card |
| 19:09.40 | eeyore- | d0uglas: laptop? :-) what kind of chip does it have? |
| 19:09.48 | d0uglas | ati radeon igp 320m |
| 19:10.09 | eeyore- | d0uglas: stick with fglrx, don't rely on fbconsole (it'll be slow), and you'll be fine |
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| 19:10.18 | JordiGH | Will the stuff in Marillat play DVDs from any region? |
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| 19:10.20 | sanmarcos | jelly: toasters!!, centurions!! omg. But seriously, I would love Six or D'anna to come play with my computer |
| 19:10.30 | cureless | JordiGH: yes |
| 19:10.32 | d0uglas | eeyore-: should i use apt's fglrx* or what's on ati.com |
| 19:10.35 | amphi | JordiGH: depends on your drive |
| 19:10.41 | JordiGH | amphi: DVD drive? |
| 19:10.48 | weedar_ | Is it possible to quit KDE from the command line? I'm connecting via ssh and want to kill the GUI (which I'm not using anyway) |
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| 19:10.51 | eeyore- | d0uglas: debian stuff, of course :-) |
| 19:10.58 | JordiGH | Ack, are there actual hardware limitations? |
| 19:11.03 | JordiGH | weedar_: killall kdm |
| 19:11.05 | amphi | JordiGH: yeah; rpc1 will be no problem, rpc2 probably will be |
| 19:11.21 | weedar_ | JordiGH: no nicer way? :) |
| 19:11.41 | eeyore- | here we are saying 'fbconsole is slow' while on other platform (sparc, anyone?) shit-slow is the accepted norm :-) |
| 19:11.43 | amphi | JordiGH: rpc1 need the player sw to enforce region coding, rpc2 drives do it themselves |
| 19:11.44 | weedar_ | also, the gui was started with startx, it doesn't boot directly into GUI |
| 19:11.58 | JordiGH | weedar_: That's not nice? At least it's not Kill Dash Nine: http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html. |
| 19:12.05 | d0uglas | eeyore-: i spent maybe a week trying to get this working, then my hard drive crashed, then i reinstalled, and then 3D worked great... then maybe on some stupid install -t flag i lost the 3d.. but it was working from basically default installation |
| 19:12.13 | amphi | JordiGH: I had to 'upgrade' the firmware on the drive in my T22 to region-free it |
| 19:12.37 | JordiGH | amphi: That's Pure Evil. Her drive is a couple of years old. I hope it doesn't have that problem. |
| 19:12.48 | amphi | JordiGH: isn't it just? |
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| 19:13.28 | amphi | JordiGH: I expect it does; the drive in this T42 is rpc2 I'm sure, but is set to region 0 ;) |
| 19:13.34 | eeyore- | JordiGH: buy another dvd drive, set that drive's region and keep it (you can change it five times) |
| 19:13.40 | d0uglas | eeyore-: how much of the job will apt do here? am i gonna need to module assistant in the kernel stuff? |
| 19:13.50 | eeyore- | d0uglas: no clue :-) |
| 19:13.51 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Let's call that Plan B. |
| 19:13.54 | cureless | weedar_: what do you want to stop, kdm? or kde? |
| 19:14.00 | d0uglas | what about xserver-xorg-video-ati, do i want that? |
| 19:14.08 | JordiGH | eeyore-: First I'm going to try to use Marillat and see if that works. |
| 19:14.12 | weedar_ | cureless: KDE and hopefully all applications running under it |
| 19:14.14 | eeyore- | JordiGH: these days i rip my movies to 500GB firewire drive :-) mythvideo's gallery manager works wonder |
| 19:14.16 | JordiGH | Btw, are .us and .mx in the same region? |
| 19:14.18 | amphi | JordiGH: for many drives you can find 'ameliorated' firmware |
| 19:14.41 | JordiGH | weedar_: Told ya. Just kill it. It's cruel to be kind. |
| 19:14.59 | eeyore- | d0uglas: you'd better ask more debian person for the details. i'm not up to speed on the nitty-gritty debian details |
| 19:14.59 | cureless | JordiGH: probably not, us is region 1, .mx is probably 5 |
| 19:15.14 | d0uglas | help me eeyore-, you're my only hope |
| 19:15.19 | weedar_ | JordiGH: sure, but there is no kdm process as, like I said, KDE was started by running startx - this computer does not boot directly into GUI |
| 19:15.19 | d0uglas | just guess |
| 19:15.33 | d0uglas | i'm only trying to waste time here, i don't actually seriously expect this to ever work ;) |
| 19:15.35 | eeyore- | d0uglas: my guess is "yes", then :-) |
| 19:15.36 | JordiGH | cureless: That's probably the problem. Her Windows software where she was presumably trying to play it (since I haven't even installed any multimedia stuff in her Debian partition) couldn't play the .mx DVD she rented here. |
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| 19:15.40 | d0uglas | nice. yes it is. |
| 19:15.45 | amphi | JordiGH: this page ("powered by beer and crisps" ;) may be of use, http://tdb.rpc1.org/ |
| 19:15.49 | JordiGH | weedar_: Then kill X. |
| 19:16.19 | cureless | JordiGH: well. the drive is set to a region (which you can change 5 times). So she probably has whatever windows set it to. |
| 19:16.33 | d0uglas | all right just got a bunch of fglrx stuff installed... now i'll play around in modconf, then perhaps a dpkg-reconfiguration of xserver, then m-a, then a reboot, etc. |
| 19:16.43 | eeyore- | JordiGH: i don't think dvdcss is going to help you. it's the drive's firmware that won't let you access the disk, no? |
| 19:16.45 | cureless | JordiGH: rental places don't necessarily rent the correct region all the time. At least I know that happens in some places. |
| 19:16.55 | amphi | JordiGH: if the region is set in the drive, you must 'upgrade' the firmware to liberate it |
| 19:17.01 | cureless | JordiGH: vlc should play it, so should mplayer. |
| 19:17.03 | JordiGH | eeyore-: I don't know yet. I'm hoping it's not the firmware. |
| 19:17.04 | d0uglas | i'll tell you right now though, i'm scared |
| 19:17.07 | weedar_ | JordiGH: I'm trying, just unsure which thread to off |
| 19:17.17 | JordiGH | weedar_: ps agux | grep startx |
| 19:17.20 | eeyore- | d0uglas: why? |
| 19:17.40 | eeyore- | d0uglas: fglrx actually works pretty nicely, though performance is still below what you get under windows |
| 19:17.44 | amphi | JordiGH: there is a little utility regionset that will read the region setting and optionally set it |
| 19:17.48 | weedar_ | JordiGH: I tried a killall startx a few minutes ago, but still lots of KDE-related threads in the system |
| 19:17.59 | eeyore- | at lest i can tell when i play ut2k4 ... it's definitely faster under windows |
| 19:18.14 | d0uglas | eeyore-: because before the hd crashed x would take like a minute to blink on (not to mention the booting process through the splash screen) and now it's been relatively nice without this gl crap |
| 19:18.18 | Caelum | eeyore-: regular r200 dri is plenty fast enough for opengl screensavers :) |
| 19:18.20 | d0uglas | but what the hell, what's another reinstall |
| 19:18.23 | d0uglas | life goes on |
| 19:18.24 | JordiGH | weedar_: killall sometimes is too polite or gets it wrong. Kill Dash Nine, NO MORE PROCESSOR TIME! |
| 19:18.25 | Caelum | eeyore-: and it doesn't crash all the time |
| 19:18.26 | eeyore- | weedar_: ps axfuw | grep "^username" | cut -c 10-15 | xargs kill -9 |
| 19:19.18 | JordiGH | Kill Dash Nine YOUR PROCESS IS MINE! |
| 19:20.31 | eeyore- | it's quiet in here ... |
| 19:20.35 | JordiGH | amphi:Is regionset in Marillat? |
| 19:20.45 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Noise it up: http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 19:20.53 | weedar_ | eeyore-: tried that without that last pipe to see what output I got, and nothing (wanted to make sure it didn't kill threads that should live) |
| 19:21.40 | eeyore- | no thanks. i got a vac. cleaner here on my desk. also known as the "iwill zmax dp dual opteron with broken bios that doesn't support powernow so fan goes on all the friggin time!", thanks iwill! |
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| 19:22.36 | JordiGH | Uh-gooks! |
| 19:22.41 | eeyore- | well it's easier to memorize 'the one true string' than to memorize different ones for different occasions :-) |
| 19:22.53 | Caelum | I use fauxw |
| 19:23.32 | ToxicSun | if i edit my fstab, debian will detect NTFS partitions, right? |
| 19:23.58 | JordiGH | ToxicSun: Uh, not aumotically. |
| 19:24.00 | JordiGH | !ntfs |
| 19:24.00 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs was Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 19:24.14 | amphi | JordiGH: not sure where regionset is |
| 19:24.14 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: no, fstab doesn't do 'detection'. it's more like, does your kernel support NTFS? check the kernel's config file |
| 19:24.20 | JordiGH | !info regionset |
| 19:24.27 | dpkg | regionset: (view and modify the region code of DVD drives), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 19:24.32 | ToxicSun | thanks guys |
| 19:24.36 | JordiGH | amphi: In Sid. :-) |
| 19:24.47 | JordiGH | Version 0.1. Yikes. |
| 19:25.00 | eeyore- | grep NTFS_FS /etc/path-to-kernel-config-file |
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| 19:25.27 | Caelum | there's an ntfs-3g package in Debian, works very well |
| 19:25.40 | JordiGH | So NTFS was supposed to be Unix-like? What's Unixy about it? Where are the permissions? |
| 19:25.47 | Ono | how can i install to my kernel lm_sensors modules |
| 19:25.55 | eeyore- | JordiGH: they're there in the ACL's |
| 19:26.15 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Too bad they're not there for the spyware. :P |
| 19:26.23 | Caelum | Ono: modprobe? |
| 19:26.34 | Ono | Caelum: but which module? |
| 19:26.37 | eeyore- | JordiGH: well that's unfortunate :-) privilege escalation is the norm in windows world |
| 19:27.54 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Tell me about it. My gf freaked out when she saw a password prompt in kdm and gdm. She never wants to have to input a password to use her own lappy. :-0 |
| 19:27.57 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 19:28.09 | Caelum | Ono: should be in the docs |
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| 19:28.25 | buu | dondelelcaro: Er, what? |
| 19:28.25 | amphi | JordiGH: sounds like she needs 'amelioration' too |
| 19:28.43 | JordiGH | amphi: Easy, easy, bro. I'm lucky I got permission to install Debian to begin with. |
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| 19:30.16 | amphi | JordiGH: future will show if that is 'lucky' ;) |
| 19:30.51 | hologram | hi |
| 19:30.59 | eeyore- | my wife leaves my computers alone now that she has her own laptop with wifi :-) |
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| 19:31.30 | JordiGH | amphi: It's been good so far. She really likes how GNOME looks, she's thrilled that OO.o gave her spellcheck options for English and Spanish, and she likes that she's now able to switch keyboard layouts and that she has touch-typing software for various languages. Plus, she likes Rhythmbox better than iTunes. |
| 19:31.44 | famir_ | how can i add user to the SUDO list ? |
| 19:31.52 | JordiGH | amphi: I'm hoping that my sysadmining with DVDs and getting apm to work will be used. |
| 19:31.57 | JordiGH | famir_: man visudo |
| 19:32.00 | stew | famir_: man visudo ; man sudoers |
| 19:32.28 | amphi | JordiGH: cool - it sees you have reason to be optimistic |
| 19:32.28 | famir_ | JordiGH: x10 |
| 19:32.31 | JordiGH | amphi: Er, s/'will be used'/'will concluded soon'. |
| 19:32.37 | famir_ | stew: 10x |
| 19:32.49 | stew | just once |
| 19:32.51 | amphi | JordiGH: s/sees/seems |
| 19:33.40 | JordiGH | amphi: The big surprise is that she preferred GNOME over KDE. Come to think of it, yes, GNOME is looking very nice nowadays. |
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| 19:34.00 | amphi | JordiGH: I don't use either |
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| 19:34.23 | amphi | JordiGH: gtk2 seems ok |
| 19:34.30 | JordiGH | amphi: Xfce? Blackbox? Icewm? Bash? :-) |
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| 19:34.45 | amphi | JordiGH: openbox or fbconsole |
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| 19:35.39 | weedar_ | apropos NTFS, after a class on Windows 2003 Server I saw how many permissions there are under NTFS - linux just has the read,write and execute ones, right? |
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| 19:36.04 | Caelum | ext3 has ACL support |
| 19:36.08 | Caelum | so do alot of other FSes |
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| 19:36.14 | blondie | Caelum: no |
| 19:36.19 | eeyore- | JordiGH: get beryl going with aiglx :-) and she will never look back |
| 19:36.25 | blondie | weedar_: correct |
| 19:36.27 | JordiGH | eeyore-: What's beryl? |
| 19:36.35 | Caelum | blondie: ext3 DOES have ACL support |
| 19:36.40 | JordiGH | blondie: I thought ext4 would have ACL |
| 19:36.46 | blondie | Caelum: it doesnt give more than rwx though |
| 19:36.51 | eeyore- | JordiGH: fork of compiz. think wobbly windows, compositing, desktop cube, effects |
| 19:37.19 | Caelum | blondie: it has support for POSIX ACLs, AFAIK |
| 19:37.25 | eeyore- | blondie: ext3 *does* have acl support :-) |
| 19:37.32 | blondie | sigh |
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| 19:37.35 | Irrumator | yes, ext3 supports ACL but you must explicitly compile it |
| 19:37.36 | blondie | you're missing the point |
| 19:37.37 | abrotman | blondie: ext3 has an ACL patch |
| 19:37.37 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Heh. But didn't you hear? She preferred GNOME over KDE. Looks like she's going for the more austere look. Lord Dijkstra knows that I'm not one to read women's minds, though. |
| 19:37.39 | Irrumator | like most FSs |
| 19:37.46 | abrotman | !acl |
| 19:37.46 | dpkg | somebody said acl was Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html |
| 19:37.46 | eeyore- | blondie: that's because you didn't install the acl tool along with it |
| 19:37.50 | blondie | you're missing the point |
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| 19:38.01 | JordiGH | !nick-o-meter Irrumator |
| 19:38.02 | vulture | http://acl.bestbits.at/about.html - seems relevant |
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| 19:38.07 | JordiGH | !nickometer Irrumator |
| 19:38.09 | dpkg | 'Irrumator' is 0.000% lame, jordigh |
| 19:38.14 | Irrumator | oh yeah. |
| 19:38.15 | eeyore- | blondie: i am? |
| 19:38.24 | JordiGH | I think dpkg is off on this one. At least 90% lame, I'd say. |
| 19:38.38 | Irrumator | *sigh* the poor victim that I am |
| 19:38.59 | JordiGH | Irrumator: Irrumated anyone recently? |
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| 19:39.04 | eeyore- | blondie: what is it that i'm missing? :-) besides my tail, that is. |
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| 19:39.22 | Irrumator | "Irrumator" means bastard in yiddish, if you're wondering |
| 19:39.29 | blondie | eeyore-: the answer to weedar_'s question |
| 19:39.32 | JordiGH | Uh. No it doesn't. |
| 19:39.38 | JordiGH | It's a bloody Latin word. |
| 19:39.50 | blondie | the ext3 ACLs do not do as much as NTFS ones. |
| 19:39.52 | Irrumator | apparently it has a yiddish meaning as well |
| 19:39.52 | JordiGH | Dem latins were probably fond of irrumation. |
| 19:40.02 | blondie | they still grant the same permissions, just to multiple users/groups |
| 19:40.03 | vulture | blondie: seems pretty clear that there is complex ACL support - refer to the links. Certainly more than rwx for ogu |
| 19:40.05 | eeyore- | mmmmm what about it? |
| 19:40.15 | madclicker | hi, looking for an etch installer with 2.6.17 or better kernel? |
| 19:40.29 | JordiGH | !tell madclicker about d-i |
| 19:40.36 | eeyore- | "how many permissions there are under NTFS"? |
| 19:40.41 | JordiGH | madclicker: The standard etch install has that kernel number. |
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| 19:41.00 | JordiGH | madclicker: You'll need to pass the linux26 option at boottime. |
| 19:41.06 | evilbulgarian | hi, i need to loadbalance between to servers running a udp p2p tracker and also check incase one is down so some kind of hearbeat monitoring? Has anyone have any recommendations. I looked into iptables DNAT but that i dont think is aware if one of the servers die. |
| 19:41.08 | eeyore- | those "many permissions" are variations of RWX |
| 19:41.42 | madclicker | JordiGH, thank you |
| 19:41.46 | eeyore- | except "special permission" which i don't know WTF that is |
| 19:41.49 | weedar_ | When seeing the permissions I had trouble coming up with situations where you'd really need more than rwx |
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| 19:42.05 | blondie | eeyore-: 13 for normal folders |
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| 19:42.07 | Felka | Hello, where can I find servers to add to sources.list to get packages from testing/unstable ? |
| 19:42.27 | JordiGH | !mirrors |
| 19:42.27 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 19:42.34 | blondie | eeyore-: or 26 if you consider that there's Allow and Deny for both |
| 19:42.43 | Felka | thanks |
| 19:42.43 | eeyore- | yeah but, "execute" is "x", "list folder content" is just +x on directory. "full controll", well, that's "rwx" |
| 19:42.54 | Caelum | the question is, is there anything useful that NTFS ACLs do that you can't do with POSIX ACLs under ext3/reiser/xfs? |
| 19:42.55 | blondie | list folder contents is +r |
| 19:43.07 | eeyore- | well, +rx |
| 19:43.13 | blondie | Caelum: yes |
| 19:43.19 | JordiGH | Caelum: I would like to have finer control sometimes. E.g. all users but stinky over there can see my files. |
| 19:43.20 | blondie | the Deny things are useful |
| 19:43.33 | Caelum | JordiGH: you can do that with setfacl |
| 19:43.51 | JordiGH | Caelum: Really? |
| 19:43.53 | blondie | Caelum: only in a nasty way |
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| 19:44.17 | Caelum | JordiGH: http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 19:44.19 | blondie | Caelum: also the ability to forbid just deletion but allow creation and vice versa is good |
| 19:45.41 | d0uglas | Trying to get apache to do https.. installed libapache-mod-ssl, dpkg-reconfigured apache, checked off mod_ssl, restarted, dpkg-reconfigged the libapache-mod-ssl, went through the key registration process, restarted apache again... still no https.. what gives? |
| 19:46.09 | eeyore- | d0uglas: httpd.conf, listen 80 443 ? |
| 19:46.16 | d0uglas | eeyore-: k.. thanks. |
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| 19:47.18 | Caelum | hrm, default ext3 doesn't support acls directly |
| 19:47.21 | Caelum | that sucks |
| 19:47.58 | Ono | hi my debian not using swap, and allways memory usage %94-%99. Is it normal? |
| 19:47.58 | Caelum | blondie: that's probably possible, just not as simple as in ntfs... |
| 19:47.58 | Caelum | Ono: yes |
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| 19:47.58 | Ono | ok |
| 19:48.03 | Caelum | Ono: linux always tries to put free memory to good use |
| 19:48.21 | JordiGH | Ono: Yes. Good and desirable. Free memory is disk cache, reduce wear and tear on your hard drive. :-) |
| 19:48.36 | Ono | ok thanks |
| 19:48.37 | eeyore- | d0uglas: the httpd.conf file(s) (debian may have segmented them) will contain sections for https (SSLEngine on) |
| 19:48.43 | JordiGH | !memory in linux |
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| 19:48.54 | Guerin | !free memory |
| 19:48.55 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 19:48.55 | eeyore- | d0uglas: i have sid and my files are in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 19:49.03 | JordiGH | Thanks Guerin. |
| 19:49.15 | JordiGH | How can I symlink one factoid to another? |
| 19:49.16 | madclicker | JordiGH, my luck, the server is down can't cd to cdimage :( |
| 19:49.20 | d0uglas | eeyore-: before i get to that, having problems with the listen addition: Listen takes one argument, A port number or a numeric IP address and a port number |
| 19:49.30 | d0uglas | comma separation doesn't seem to work |
| 19:49.31 | JordiGH | madclicker: Torrent, then? |
| 19:49.35 | d0uglas | kind of want both ports |
| 19:49.51 | Guerin | JordiGH: dpgk, foo is <reply> see bar |
| 19:50.00 | madclicker | JordiGH, i tried to torrent "file not found" |
| 19:50.20 | d0uglas | eeyore-: (got that error after the pico job then restarting apache) |
| 19:50.35 | jazbo2186 | i just upgraded to 2.6.16-1-686 from 2.6.8 and now my sound doesn't work. how should I begin to figure out what the problem is? |
| 19:50.42 | JordiGH | Guerin: I meant, "memory in linux" would directly send me to the "free memory" factoid. |
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| 19:50.54 | mike23d | how do i mail myself a message when a user logs into my ftp server, i tried putting this in my .bashrc and .bash_profile file --> echo "user is in" | mail user@domain.com |
| 19:50.55 | JordiGH | I don't know much about torrents. Help anyone? |
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| 19:51.05 | eeyore- | d0uglas: for apache2? it's two separate lines i have. listen 80, and listen 443 |
| 19:51.10 | d0uglas | jazbo2186: by upgraded do you mean downgraded? |
| 19:51.15 | eeyore- | d0uglas: in /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 19:51.17 | d0uglas | eeyore-: no, apache 1, but i bet it's the same, brb |
| 19:51.22 | Guerin | madclicker: your error message means what it says, but we can't help you wihtout context |
| 19:52.17 | madclicker | Guerin, The requested URL /cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/ was not found on this server. |
| 19:52.21 | Guerin | mike23d: you might have to monito the log, or something. Is it a ftp user, or an actual local user account? |
| 19:52.24 | jazbo2186 | d0uglas: ummm... I don't get it isnt 2.6.16 new than 2.6.8? |
| 19:52.31 | Guerin | mike23d: when doing WHAT? |
| 19:52.35 | Irrumator | jazbo2186: start by checking if your sound modules are loaded. lsmod |
| 19:52.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 19:52.43 | Irrumator | assuming you know what they are |
| 19:52.45 | Guerin | madclicker: when doing WHAT? |
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| 19:52.55 | mike23d | Guerin, it's an ftp user, "sales".... |
| 19:52.58 | d0uglas | jazbo2186: you know what, i don't even know anymore.. forget i said anything :) |
| 19:52.59 | madclicker | Guerin, clicking on download torrent |
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| 19:53.06 | madclicker | amd64 |
| 19:53.19 | Guerin | madclicker: ok, so the torrent is missing, it's not a bittorrent issue at all. |
| 19:53.25 | mike23d | Guerin, it's a system accoutn |
| 19:53.27 | d0uglas | eeyore-: did the listen thing on two lines, restarted without error, 443 ain't open though, no ports.conf in /etc/apache |
| 19:53.31 | jazbo2186 | Irrumator: I see lot's of stuff that could be sound mods what specifically should I be looking for? |
| 19:53.41 | Guerin | mike23d: a local user account which runs through pam, etc? |
| 19:53.41 | eeyore- | d0uglas: i run apache2, it's different :-) |
| 19:53.50 | Irrumator | snd-something. what soundcard do you have? |
| 19:53.57 | mike23d | Guerin, yes |
| 19:53.57 | eeyore- | d0uglas: you also have to configure a virtualhost section. you want a sample? |
| 19:54.06 | Guerin | mike23d: what shell? |
| 19:54.12 | d0uglas | eeyore-: what about just installing a second light server for the https? |
| 19:54.32 | mike23d | Guerin, well, the users's default shell is bash |
| 19:54.33 | d0uglas | had problems with apache2 and lamp works just right |
| 19:54.46 | mike23d | Guerin, but i dont know if the ftp process uses bash or it's own |
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| 19:54.56 | Guerin | mike23d: so arbitrary commands in .bashrc for that user aren't being run? |
| 19:55.18 | jazbo2186 | Irrumator: i see a module "trident" and I do have trident audio hardware so I guess the module is loaded... ? |
| 19:55.32 | mike23d | Guerin, well...i dont think the ftp process even reads .bashrc |
| 19:55.33 | d0uglas | !tell mike23d about its |
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| 19:56.09 | Irrumator | jazbo2186: probably. next up, check the levels in alsamixer |
| 19:56.10 | d0uglas | eeyore-: woops, bitchx couldn't handle that... not sure how to unignore.. but isn't that apache2 stuff? |
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| 19:56.25 | Guerin | mike23d: yeah, maybe not. Gack to monitoring the logs, unless there's a special way to do this. |
| 19:56.25 | eeyore- | d0uglas: no, the section is the same |
| 19:56.28 | d0uglas | wouldn't it just make more sense now to pop on a light http[s]d to get me through today? |
| 19:56.38 | Guerin | mike23d: and I hope to god you're using encryption |
| 19:56.48 | d0uglas | eeyore-: could you do that in #flood pls? |
| 19:56.54 | eeyore- | d0uglas: why do you need it "today" (no, "today" and "https" don't mix) |
| 19:57.11 | mike23d | d0uglas, why are you telling me about its |
| 19:57.22 | jazbo2186 | Irrumator: Not sure how to get to "alsamixer". i don't seem to have that command |
| 19:57.28 | mike23d | Guerin, yes, 1024 bit |
| 19:57.29 | eeyore- | d0uglas: there's still the learning curve on SSL, maybe getting official site cert from somebody (money and faxing document) and other things |
| 19:57.43 | Guerin | mike23d: :) |
| 19:57.57 | eeyore- | d0uglas: if you issue your own certs, they won't work with IE (well, they will but users will be prompted to examine cert and stuff, and you know how users are) |
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| 19:58.23 | d0uglas | want to send my brother a delicate message to read at his job, a bank.. figured i'd pop up a secure web server, screen capture the email i drafted, email him a link to the jpg (this way he doesn't have to install some kind of encryption thing on his end) |
| 19:58.33 | Irrumator | jazbo2186: is the alsa-utils package installed? |
| 19:58.49 | d0uglas | s/jpg/png :) |
| 19:59.11 | d0uglas | well maybe jpg would be better with the lossy encryption on top of the ssl to throw off the it spies |
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| 19:59.19 | d0uglas | s/encryption/compression |
| 19:59.21 | eeyore- | d0uglas: why not just use pgp? |
| 19:59.24 | dendrite | d0uglas: And how is this open standard graphic supposed to be secure? |
| 19:59.34 | eeyore- | dendrite: https :-p |
| 19:59.36 | abrotman | d0uglas: that's just freaking silly |
| 19:59.38 | eeyore- | dendrite: overkill |
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| 19:59.51 | dendrite | eeyore-: Underkill, methinks. |
| 19:59.59 | d0uglas | eeyore-: not only does he not knkow anything about his computers, i doubt his bank's setup would allow him to install something like pgp, it's probably against the rules anyway |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | d0uglas: why don't you send it in your native language |
| 20:00.13 | eeyore- | d0uglas: chances are, if he's at a bank, he *probably* won't be allowed to connect to your (arbitrary) web server :-) |
| 20:00.15 | d0uglas | Ok overkill but hey so is most of the stuff i do with debian |
| 20:00.36 | atSquiGgs | how do I install the testing version of a package? Do I just download the .deb and do dpkg -i package.deb? or can I use apt? |
| 20:00.40 | eeyore- | d0uglas: just mail him a usb stick ... |
| 20:00.41 | d0uglas | eeyore-: ARBITRARY? i offer the finest ad-free pron in ludicrously high res |
| 20:00.45 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: which package ? |
| 20:00.51 | atSquiGgs | postgresql-81 |
| 20:00.55 | atSquiGgs | 8.1 sorry |
| 20:00.58 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: check backports.org |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | read the instructions |
| 20:01.25 | Guerin | d0uglas: why not just call him on his cellphone? |
| 20:01.36 | d0uglas | you know what i'll just forget the ssl nonsense and just switch apache over to 443 and give him an https link anyway, that's better than nothing |
| 20:01.42 | atSquiGgs | abrotman - think its still pretty stable? |
| 20:01.43 | d0uglas | Guerin: didn't you see The Departed? |
| 20:01.56 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: as opposed to? installing a testing package on sarge ? |
| 20:01.56 | jazbo2186 | Irrumator: alsa-utils is not installed. |
| 20:02.01 | d0uglas | patriot act baby |
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| 20:02.08 | Irrumator | install it then |
| 20:02.09 | atSquiGgs | abrotman - yeah |
| 20:02.10 | Guerin | d0uglas: not out in cinemas here, but it don't make a damn bit of difference unless you're a gangster being watched |
| 20:02.23 | atSquiGgs | abrotman - sounds alot worse when you say it that way! :) |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: it will be more stable than doing what you initially proposed |
| 20:02.33 | d0uglas | Guerin: sometimes i like to pretend i'm a gangster being watched, or a cia agent, or jesus... |
| 20:02.35 | atSquiGgs | abrotman - can I ask why? |
| 20:02.40 | d0uglas | depending on the serotonin levels |
| 20:02.44 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: backports.org has packages compiled to run on sarge |
| 20:02.44 | Guerin | d0uglas: i presume by 'sensitive' you mean 'i'm fucking your girlfriend' or something |
| 20:02.55 | Irrumator | haha |
| 20:02.56 | d0uglas | Guerin: tips on how to score xanax from my shrink |
| 20:02.57 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: instead of whatever hackish method you were going to use :) |
| 20:03.06 | atSquiGgs | arn't testing compiled to run on sarge too? or is everything in testing etch? |
| 20:03.09 | Guerin | d0uglas: not 'your contract with north korea is about to go sour, head to beijing pronto' |
| 20:03.37 | Guerin | d0uglas: xanax is for housewives and bereaved pet owners\ |
| 20:04.06 | d0uglas | hey he's got to wake up at 5 am every day, doesn't have good go-to-bed discipline and needs to chemically persuade himself |
| 20:04.12 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: not even close |
| 20:04.13 | d0uglas | tough circadium rhythm |
| 20:04.29 | atSquiGgs | oh ok, I didn't know that |
| 20:04.48 | jazbo2186 | Irrumator: I noticed alsa-base is not installed either. Is alsa definetly what I should be using? my sound was working fine until I upgraded the kernel... |
| 20:04.49 | atSquiGgs | abrotman - so is that what you do when you want later packages? Use backports? |
| 20:05.14 | abrotman | atSquiGgs: that's the best place to start |
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| 20:05.21 | atSquiGgs | cool, thanks alot |
| 20:06.16 | atSquiGgs | later |
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| 20:08.09 | d0uglas | does your average underpaid it person typically get over any ethical compunction of invading people's privacy and amuse themselves by seeing what people are up to? or is that relatively rare |
| 20:08.16 | d0uglas | s/it/IT |
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| 20:09.01 | sekelsenmat | o.O |
| 20:09.08 | Guerin | d0uglas: there is no average |
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| 20:09.24 | Guerin | i've never read other peoples' email on my servers |
| 20:09.24 | d0uglas | ok, let me rephrase, would you, Guerin, do it? |
| 20:09.28 | Guerin | no |
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| 20:10.16 | jazbo2186 | Irrumator: okay hopefully the factoids will get me the rest of the way. Thanks for the help. Had no idea what alsa was until now ;) |
| 20:10.32 | CharminTheMoose | How secure is apache 1.3.33? |
| 20:10.47 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: as secure as the admin |
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| 20:10.54 | d0uglas | back in the day i handed out shells in #hack on efnet and i'd ttysnoop on people rooting me (ttysnoop would still work for a bit after an rm -rf)... that wasn't wrong of me, was it? |
| 20:10.57 | beardy | Guerin: Are you an underpaid IT person? I thought you weren't paid at all.. |
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| 20:11.06 | Guerin | beardy: that's pretty fucking underpaid |
| 20:11.37 | keyboarder | what's the most easy way to install the ipw3975 driver? |
| 20:11.42 | Guerin | d0uglas: just stupid |
| 20:11.50 | Guerin | keyboarder: probably windows |
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| 20:11.57 | beardy | Guerin: Can no paid at all be underpaid, you have to be paid to be underpaid, it seems to me, by definition of the words.. but yes, of course. |
| 20:12.05 | beardy | s/no/one be/ |
| 20:12.12 | beardy | or, no.. |
| 20:12.15 | d0uglas | Guerin: if by just stupid you mean totally sweet, then you'd be right |
| 20:12.17 | d0uglas | it got me pumped |
| 20:12.19 | Guerin | beardy: you win |
| 20:12.36 | Guerin | d0uglas: you lose. |
| 20:12.41 | richjkl | When I try to do "apt-get install php5", it tries to upgrade apache2 to apache2.2, how do I make it not do that? |
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| 20:13.15 | d0uglas | you're just cranky because i kicked it hardcore back in the day on #hack on the most badass irc network before it went +k |
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| 20:14.36 | d0uglas | someone hooked me up with +o one time too... and let's not even get into my netsplit ridin' days |
| 20:14.39 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 20:14.47 | Guerin | that';s right, I'm in awe. |
| 20:15.04 | eeyore- | my tongue is hanging out and i'm salivating ... at the tale ... |
| 20:15.09 | Guerin | yeah |
| 20:15.12 | d0uglas | well don't be, i can't after weeks get fglrx working |
| 20:15.18 | d0uglas | i want to see the pretty spinning gears |
| 20:15.48 | Guerin | it's like the modern equivalent of beowilf - a medicated teen letting some tards hack into his box and watching them ... for fun,. |
| 20:15.56 | Guerin | bring on the mead and wenches |
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| 20:16.08 | d0uglas | medicated? that didn't start until 2001 |
| 20:16.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 20:16.14 | d0uglas | i'm talkin' kernel 1.2.13 days, yo |
| 20:16.15 | beardy | and what might "the most badass irc network" be? |
| 20:16.27 | eeyore- | undernet? |
| 20:16.28 | rgsteele | richjkl: Are you sure the dependencies don't require Apache 2.2? |
| 20:16.28 | d0uglas | beardy if you have to ask you shouldn't know |
| 20:16.38 | d0uglas | like installing experimental stuff |
| 20:16.39 | d0uglas | :) |
| 20:16.49 | AlleyKat | how do I specify path in apt-get? |
| 20:16.51 | beardy | d0uglas: If you have to talk like that, you shouldn't be here. |
| 20:16.57 | d0uglas | well, since, efnet's gone soft with this chanserv nonsense |
| 20:17.01 | eeyore- | beardy: hmm? |
| 20:17.12 | d0uglas | beardy: easy buddy.. it's satire, man.. satire. |
| 20:17.17 | beardy | dooglus: There's no fucking chanserv on efnet, get a clue. |
| 20:17.19 | d0uglas | meant no disrespect |
| 20:17.23 | AlleyKat | E: Couldn't find package webmin_1.300_all.deb |
| 20:17.23 | AlleyKat | is all I get, and it's in the freakin' same folder |
| 20:17.40 | d0uglas | the best trick efnet's chanserv ever pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist |
| 20:17.44 | d0uglas | think about that, beardy |
| 20:17.45 | rgsteele | AlleyKat: Are you sure the package has been properly added to the repository? |
| 20:17.45 | abrotman | you don't want it anyways |
| 20:17.46 | d0uglas | I just blew your mind |
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| 20:17.52 | AlleyKat | not at all |
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| 20:17.55 | rgsteele | abrotman: haha |
| 20:17.55 | Braindead | !webmin |
| 20:17.55 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 20:18.02 | bsims | Is there a way to do webcams with irssi? |
| 20:18.09 | beardy | ... |
| 20:18.14 | Braindead | bsims: is there a way to WHAT? |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | !qotd6 |
| 20:18.19 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
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| 20:18.48 | AlleyKat | hehe ok, thanks... well if the guy wants webmin I just want to give it to him |
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| 20:18.52 | bsims | Braindead: I want to recieve a webcam feed preferably with mplayer using irssi as my client |
| 20:18.56 | d0uglas | <-- blushes |
| 20:19.02 | d0uglas | #6 huh, not bad |
| 20:19.05 | beardy | AlleyKat: Give him the Debian Reference instead. |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | AlleyKat: don't give it to him |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 20:19.10 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 20:19.13 | beardy | !reference |
| 20:19.13 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 20:20.05 | Braindead | bsims: "webcam feed" and "IRC" are two unrelated ideas |
| 20:20.11 | eeyore- | i don't have to type fast to -o everyone. all i have to do, it seems, is +o myself and bitchx went apeshit |
| 20:20.13 | abrotman | ascii webcam ? |
| 20:20.16 | AlleyKat | right, and a gift-wrapped pocket calculator for entering bits manually lol |
| 20:20.17 | blondie | !qotd |
| 20:20.17 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:20.22 | dpkg | methinks qotd129 is <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 20:20.25 | blondie | !qotd0 |
| 20:20.41 | CharminTheMoose | !qotd0 |
| 20:20.42 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
| 20:20.53 | beardy | eeyore-: bitchx? |
| 20:20.56 | beardy | !lose eeyore- |
| 20:20.56 | dpkg | eeyore-: You Lose. |
| 20:20.57 | bsims | abrotman: Actually I was hoping to pass it off to mplayer for actual display |
| 20:21.13 | bsims | Didn't think one could do it but wasn't sure |
| 20:21.21 | eeyore- | beardy: dont make me kick you! (and a few other people) |
| 20:21.43 | beardy | !flog eeyore- |
| 20:21.43 | evilbulgarian | hi, what kernel do i need to Linux Virtual Server? |
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| 20:22.02 | beardy | bsims: Well, as said, irc and webcams have nothing to do with each other, at all.. |
| 20:22.35 | eeyore- | beardy: of course they do! webcams let you wank to pictures while you chat |
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| 20:23.20 | beardy | eeyore-: Yeah, well.. you could probably have the webcam displayed in the background of your irc client.. |
| 20:23.48 | beardy | eeyore-: But not in irssi. But you run bitchx, so go for it! |
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| 20:24.37 | rpetre | hi, is there a recommended way to save aptitude's package database (with the auto/noauto flag) to plain text, similar to dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 20:24.38 | bsims | beardy: could do something with passing it as a dcc stream to mplayer but that would be nasty |
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| 20:25.16 | eeyore- | beardy: you're not thinking 2006, man ... here i can have bitchx in a window on top, set transparency to 65% and have the webcam content show through ... |
| 20:26.10 | blondie | bitchx? people still use that in 2006? |
| 20:26.23 | mutante | i used to have this server running with 'unstable', but then i reinstalled it using 'stable', and now i find out something was using the "php-pear" package, and i cant install it anymore.. i already have "dotdeb" in my sources.list ,so i was able to get PHP5 via apt on stable, but the "php-pear" i cant find anyways..hrmmm |
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| 20:26.28 | beardy | eeyore-: That's cheating! You have to do it in your irc client, on irc! |
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| 20:26.38 | beardy | blondie: Seems like it.. |
| 20:26.45 | blondie | weirdos |
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| 20:28.27 | Guerin | eew, bitchx |
| 20:29.54 | eeyore- | you're all just jaelous |
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| 20:31.28 | earthian|v2 | mh |
| 20:32.46 | richjkl | Have there been some wacky changes done to the apache2 package under tetsting? I can't get it to work properly. |
| 20:32.46 | earthian|v2 | logout button made my monitor off, keyboard and mouse non responsive... i belive it is kinda a bug :o |
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| 20:35.26 | earthian|v2 | :( |
| 20:36.01 | PupenoR_ | How do you remove a page in the wiki ? |
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| 20:37.56 | Guerin | PupenoR_: depends on the wiki |
| 20:38.04 | mrkris | was curious if anyone here uses dosbox :o |
| 20:38.14 | Guerin | !anyone use dosbox? |
| 20:38.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses dosbox, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:38.19 | mrkris | haha :D |
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| 20:38.38 | Guerin | blackelf: your nicks just get lamer and lamer |
| 20:38.38 | mrkris | i'm trying to play simcity2000 under it, unfortunately the display is broken, almost as if i have incorrect terminal settings :) |
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| 20:39.57 | streuner_ | blackelf: don't worry, its' Guerin's way to say hi :-) |
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| 20:40.34 | PupenoR_ | sorry, wrong channel. |
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| 20:41.13 | frex | I have to keep running and re-running alsaconf in order to get sound |
| 20:41.18 | frex | on my comp |
| 20:41.25 | ToxicSun | is blondie a girl? |
| 20:41.28 | frex | does anyone know what is wrong? |
| 20:41.34 | ToxicSun | does #debian have a female user? |
| 20:41.36 | blondie | is ToxicSun a girl? |
| 20:41.40 | ToxicSun | no |
| 20:41.40 | maikol | has anyone else had problems with font rendering on debian testing after the last few updates? |
| 20:41.44 | GrimWald | :) |
| 20:41.46 | blondie | right, same answer. |
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| 20:41.50 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 20:41.55 | ToxicSun | just interested in the demographic |
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| 20:41.58 | ToxicSun | dont mean to be offenseive |
| 20:42.08 | ToxicSun | one way or the other |
| 20:42.28 | amphi | ToxicSun: more than one |
| 20:42.49 | ToxicSun | more than one girl or im offensive in more ways than one? |
| 20:42.59 | ToxicSun | im not trying to ASL anyone, i swear |
| 20:43.08 | blondie | ; |
| 20:43.08 | ToxicSun | and if they dont want to share thats cool , too |
| 20:43.11 | frex | I have to keep running and re-running alsaconf in order to get sound |
| 20:43.11 | streuner_ | ToxicSun: its OT |
| 20:43.15 | amphi | !aolify ToxicSun |
| 20:43.18 | frex | what's the problem there? |
| 20:43.24 | Guerin | ToxicSun: there are more than SIX HUNDRED people ehre |
| 20:43.36 | Guerin | ToxicSun: it's a good fucking bet that at least one is female |
| 20:43.42 | ToxicSun | ok, ive made an ass of myself... im shutting up |
| 20:43.57 | mlowe | <<< barely qualifis as people |
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| 20:50.14 | streuner_ | frex: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 20:52.44 | sid | I have 3 network devices connected to this machine, one nic has two rj45 ports, and there is a separate nic with 1(3 total), how can I tell the speeds of each of the three devices? |
| 20:52.45 | richjkl | Have there been some wacky changes done to the apache2 package under tetsting? I can't get it to work properly. |
| 20:53.01 | sid | ie, 100mbit gbit etc |
| 20:53.14 | rgsteele | richjkl: That's like saying "Hey professor, there must be something wrong with this test. I failed!" |
| 20:53.47 | rgsteele | richjkl: What do the logs say? |
| 20:54.15 | asg | richjkl: If I remember correctly, it is quite broken in etch right now. |
| 20:54.29 | richjkl | rgsteele: Hey, hey, hey, I've been fiddling with it for hours now and I can't get it to work. #apache doesn't know what's wrong, and it works when I install the stable version of apache2 rather than the testing version. |
| 20:54.30 | moshii | sid: mii-tool maybe |
| 20:54.52 | amphi | sid: or ethtool perhaps |
| 20:54.56 | rgsteele | richjkl: Hehe, I'm just jabbin' yer ribs :) |
| 20:55.07 | rgsteele | But seriously, what do the logs say? |
| 20:55.15 | richjkl | Also, you mean the logs as in apache's error logs? There's nothing. All that happens is it says it's waiting for the page to load. |
| 20:55.27 | rgsteele | Does the server actually start up? |
| 20:55.41 | richjkl | Apache loads properly and is listening to port 80, but it just sits there and says "waiting" when I try to view a page. |
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| 20:56.13 | sid | How can I get a list of network interfaces cards on my machine? |
| 20:56.15 | asg | richjkl: then run it in debug mode (check the manpage for the oper) and see if it prints anything useful to stdout |
| 20:56.22 | asg | sid: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 20:56.23 | rgsteele | Also, try a netstat -l |
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| 20:56.42 | rgsteele | Make sure it really is listening on 80, even if it tells you it is |
| 20:57.01 | sid | hmm, ifconfig -a, shows eth0/eth1/eth2/eth3/sit0/lo |
| 20:57.05 | sid | But I only have 3 nic ports total |
| 20:57.17 | sid | not 5 |
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| 20:57.30 | asg | sid: lo is localhost, sit0 is a different but irrelevant beast. |
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| 20:58.24 | asg | sid: also, you listed 6, not 5 |
| 20:58.27 | sid | asg: yea, I know lo, I don't know sit0, and I can't figure out why I have 4 eth? interfaces |
| 20:58.41 | sid | asg: Well I knot lo is localhost, that's why I didn't list it |
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| 20:58.43 | rgsteele | richjkl: Also, if you still can't tell whether or not the request actually hits the webserver based on the logs or using netstat, try using ethereal to sniff the socket, see where it's balking |
| 20:58.44 | sid | s/knot/know |
| 20:58.55 | amphi | sid: sit0 is an ipv6 on ipv4 thing |
| 20:58.59 | asg | sid: sit is an ipv4/ipv6 encapsulation interface. Don't worry about that. |
| 20:59.17 | rgsteele | (could also use tethereal on the server-side, if you're interested in the cli-version of ethereal) |
| 20:59.18 | asg | sid: why you have 4 ethX interfaces is a bit odd. What does 'dmesg | grep ^eth' print? |
| 20:59.20 | KristianLy | "I've lost a nic, I mean literally lost it. I can ping it and everything works, I just can't find it in my machine." |
| 20:59.24 | sid | yea, I definitely won't touch sit0 heh |
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| 20:59.40 | rgsteele | KristianLy: Try putting up some "Missing" posters around your neighborhood |
| 20:59.48 | rgsteele | I'm sure someone's seen it |
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| 21:00.40 | Digamma | Heyo |
| 21:00.41 | KristianLy | rgsteele: hehe, that was just a rather dry joke really :) |
| 21:00.41 | weedar_ | I have a process I _really_ want to kill, but kill, kill -9 and killall doesn't seem to do it. What to do? |
| 21:00.42 | sid | asg: eth1: no ipv6 routers present |
| 21:00.45 | sid | asg: eth3: no ipv6 routers present |
| 21:00.46 | asg | weedar_: does ps list it as Z or D? |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | rgsteele: telnet <server> 80 \n GET / \n |
| 21:01.04 | rgsteele | KristianLy: Yeah, probably why I haven't quit my sysadmin dayjob for comedy yet :) |
| 21:01.14 | asg | sid: so it only lists eth1 and eth3? |
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| 21:01.38 | sid | asg: eth1394 eth2 IEEE ipv5 over 1394 fw-host0 |
| 21:01.47 | sid | asg: Those three. |
| 21:01.47 | asg | sid: oh, that's firewire |
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| 21:02.06 | sid | asg: ahh, so one of the firewire ports is showing up? |
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| 21:02.09 | asg | sid: so, the listing is correct. 3 ethers, 1 firewire, lo, and sit0 |
| 21:02.26 | weedar_ | asg: D |
| 21:02.32 | sid | asg: yea I guess |
| 21:02.45 | sid | asg: Why is firewire showing in ifconfig -a though? |
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| 21:02.47 | mutante | ipv5 ? |
| 21:02.48 | rgsteele | abrotman: Yeah, but if someone has tweaked the motd so that you don't get anything back, ....i dunno, ethereal is your friend |
| 21:02.50 | rgsteele | :) |
| 21:02.57 | sid | If I can use firewire to connect to the Internet can't I do the same with usb? |
| 21:03.04 | abrotman | rgsteele: should get the index page |
| 21:03.10 | asg | sid: it's an ether over firewire thingy if I rememer correctly but don't quote me on that. |
| 21:03.34 | rgsteele | abrotman: Yeah, but what is the index page is fubar'ed? |
| 21:03.51 | rgsteele | Like, if it's all in PHP and you forgot to install PHP :) |
| 21:04.22 | rgsteele | abrotman: ethereal actually shows the requests and stuff |
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| 21:04.25 | weedar_ | man ps |
| 21:04.39 | rgsteele | It gives you a little bit better view of what's going on...more fine grained. |
| 21:05.11 | beardy | rgsteele: more fine grained than what? |
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| 21:05.26 | rgsteele | just telnetting to the server on port 80 and issuing a GET |
| 21:05.40 | weedar_ | asg: ps lists it as D |
| 21:05.53 | asg | weedar_: then it's in an IO wait state. |
| 21:05.58 | beardy | rgsteele: Well, ethereal by itself wont show you anything, you have to make a request aswell. |
| 21:06.14 | asg | weedar_: is it some nfs client/server or something doing networky filesystem stuff? |
| 21:06.38 | rgsteele | Right, but you get a better idea of what's going on...more information...using ethereal. |
| 21:06.47 | weedar_ | asg: it's ffmpeg, which is recording video from a webcam, but the file is stored locally on the machine |
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| 21:07.13 | asg | weedar_: if ps lists a PPID (parent id), try killing that. |
| 21:07.27 | asg | weedar_: don't kill it if the id is '1' though, that would be bad |
| 21:08.31 | abrotman | rgsteele: you'll get something back if the apache server can be contacted |
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| 21:08.42 | weedar_ | asg: the arent pid seems to be a dead process |
| 21:08.50 | weedar_ | *parent |
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| 21:09.17 | asg | weedar_: then there is nothing you can do besides rebooting. If it isn't using resources, just leave it until next time you do reboot. |
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| 21:10.46 | weedar_ | asg: okay, thanks :) |
| 21:11.05 | asg | you're welcome |
| 21:11.10 | Arafangion | weedar_: What's the process? |
| 21:11.13 | yoo | hi ! |
| 21:11.32 | streuner_ | frex: just add the ALSA modules into /etc/modules |
| 21:11.58 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.00 | streuner_ | frex: you get a list via 'lsmod | grep -i snd' |
| 21:12.03 | yoo | but i have an error |
| 21:12.11 | yoo | http://fr.pastebin.ca/242906 |
| 21:12.18 | yoo | somebody can help me ? |
| 21:12.33 | frex | streuner: cat /proc/version |
| 21:12.33 | frex | Linux version 2.6.15-1-486 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 |
| 21:12.57 | frex | streuner: how do you add ALSA modules into /etc/modules ??? |
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| 21:13.22 | Arafangion | yoo: Either ask in the spanish channel, or provide an english translation of that. |
| 21:13.24 | rgsteele | abrotman: To each his own, I guess. I've just gotten used to having the abundance of info ethereal gives me which I otherwise wouldn't have access to |
| 21:13.35 | streuner_ | frex: with an editor |
| 21:13.35 | weedar_ | Arafangion: the process was an instance of ffmpeg, but after not finding a way to kill it (and by asg's advice) I gave up and rebooted |
| 21:13.46 | stew | yoo: you are trying to mix stable with testing, which you shouldn't do, you should stick with one or the other |
| 21:14.00 | yoo | no |
| 21:14.03 | stew | yoo: what version of libc6 do you have installed? ("dpkg -l libc6" will tell you) |
| 21:14.06 | stew | yoo: yes |
| 21:14.12 | yoo | oh ! |
| 21:14.14 | streuner_ | yoo: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in paster bot |
| 21:14.16 | yoo | stew |
| 21:14.21 | yoo | i modify my source.list |
| 21:14.30 | vin` | stew: dist-upgrade |
| 21:14.37 | yoo | deb ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 21:14.37 | jazbo2186 | where would i find some info on "/etc/apt/preferences"? |
| 21:15.12 | stew | yoo: what version do you want to be running? |
| 21:15.20 | yoo | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 21:15.22 | jazbo2186 | nm found some info |
| 21:15.25 | yoo | sarge |
| 21:15.28 | Arafangion | yoo: You're running Sid. |
| 21:15.29 | vin` | eh? |
| 21:15.35 | cydork | jazbo2185, man apt_preferences |
| 21:15.38 | stew | Arafangion: i don't think he's running sid |
| 21:15.41 | yoo | no sarge and i want go to sid |
| 21:15.55 | vin` | yoo: testing is etch, not sid |
| 21:15.58 | stew | yoo: put the output of "apt-cache policy" into a pastebin |
| 21:16.42 | Arafangion | stew: He's got "unstable" in source list, which means that he's either on sid, or it's mixed. Assuming he's installed at least one sid package. |
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| 21:16.55 | vin` | yoo are in trouble. |
| 21:16.58 | yoo | http://fr.pastebin.ca/242910 |
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| 21:17.21 | yoo | well i explain me |
| 21:17.28 | yoo | i'm running in sarge |
| 21:17.35 | stew | Arafangion: i don't agree that that is a safe assumption, nor that it would be true if it were |
| 21:17.37 | yoo | then i modify my source.list |
| 21:17.47 | yoo | replace sarge by unstable |
| 21:17.57 | stew | actually i guess it is a safe assumption |
| 21:18.03 | biopyte | why is yoo in trouble. all he wanted to is migrating from stable to experimental. this should work without problems, or not? |
| 21:18.14 | yoo | update an dist-upgrade show me that : http://fr.pastebin.ca/242906 |
| 21:18.21 | Arafangion | biopyte: Experimental is even worse than sid! :) |
| 21:18.22 | stew | biopyte: "migrating from stable to experimental" is non-sensical |
| 21:18.23 | vin` | biopyte: just kidding. ;) |
| 21:18.24 | streuner_ | !tell biopyte about sid faq |
| 21:18.33 | biopyte | sorry, sid+ |
| 21:18.36 | yoo | yes biopyte |
| 21:18.37 | frex | streuner, thanks for the help |
| 21:18.38 | biopyte | unstable |
| 21:18.49 | frex | but how can I be sure that I've followed your directions correctly? |
| 21:19.01 | Arafangion | biopyte: Experimental actually exists, and is guaranteed not to work |
| 21:19.05 | streuner_ | frex: you're welcome |
| 21:19.17 | stew | yoo: what about "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" |
| 21:19.24 | cydork | Arafangion, it's not the whole thing.. |
| 21:19.25 | biopyte | Afrangion, my mistake, i meant unstable |
| 21:19.27 | stew | yoo: or you might try using aptitude for the dist-upgrade |
| 21:19.51 | stew | biopyte: there is no reason to think that an upgrade from stable to unstable would go without problems |
| 21:19.53 | yoo | stew:great !! |
| 21:20.00 | yoo | appenrtly no error message |
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| 21:20.26 | vin` | biopyte: skipping releases is a bad idea, atleast follow the trodden path. |
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| 21:20.42 | biopyte | stew, ok, but it shouldnt be a 'mixing' issue. |
| 21:20.59 | biopyte | there is no mixing |
| 21:20.59 | stew | ok |
| 21:21.01 | cydork | stew, jumping version is not possible, right? |
| 21:21.20 | stew | cydork: skipping a *released* version isn't supported |
| 21:21.20 | rshakin | have they pached the screen vulnerability yet |
| 21:21.25 | yoo | Arafangion: dowwngradind is possible ? |
| 21:21.32 | streuner | the question is rather why someone want unstable if he isn't able to fix a little problem in dpkg or apt-get |
| 21:21.34 | stew | cydork: like potato->sarge, or slink->woody or woody->etch |
| 21:21.45 | krazykit | well that's sorta strange. with 2.6.17 networking is all fine, but with 2.6.18... its not. "network is down" ...time to hunt for the reason :-( |
| 21:21.47 | cydork | stew, ya i have one woody box :P |
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| 21:22.02 | rshakin | nm, found it |
| 21:22.04 | yoo | stew : What apt-get -f dist-upgrade do ? |
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| 21:22.09 | cydork | ohh well i will upgrade to sarge first... |
| 21:22.10 | Arafangion | yoo: Yes, given the appropriate mixture of timing, scheduling, specific updates, lots of dpkg'ing, lots of pinning, and lots of luck. :) |
| 21:22.24 | yoo | outch !! |
| 21:22.29 | streuner | yoo: dude, read man apt-get and man dpkg first, if you even think about unstable |
| 21:22.32 | stew | yoo: upgraded stuff |
| 21:22.41 | vin` | forcefully. |
| 21:22.44 | yoo | ok |
| 21:22.54 | stew | -f isn't force it's fix |
| 21:23.01 | yoo | i buy a debian book |
| 21:23.07 | Arafangion | yoo: Infact, it's probably partially Etch, still, but that'll eventually become stable. |
| 21:23.30 | streuner | yoo: there is plenty of docs at www.debian.org |
| 21:23.37 | Arafangion | yoo: Thing to realise is that sid (unstable) is _always_ unstable. |
| 21:23.47 | yoo | yes |
| 21:23.51 | Arafangion | yoo: But Etch (testing) will eventually become stable. |
| 21:23.51 | streuner | yoo: if you want read them all, you prolly have work the next 100 years ;-) |
| 21:23.53 | biopyte | streuner, may |
| 21:24.05 | stew | biopyte: btw, he was mixing, according to http://fr.pastebin.ca/242906 |
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| 21:24.50 | biopyte | streuner, maybe he wants just some more recent packages and doesnt want backports. and then somebody told him, take unstable but not testing. |
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| 21:25.00 | stew | hmm, or maybe my french is just rusty |
| 21:25.06 | biopyte | stew, sure ,might be |
| 21:25.26 | HolyGoat | Anyone aware of issues with k3b in unstable? I start it, and it crashes without a sensible backtrace. |
| 21:25.37 | Arafangion | HolyGoat: Sounds unstable! |
| 21:25.42 | HolyGoat | quite ;) |
| 21:25.43 | streuner | !tell HolyGoat about sid faq |
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| 21:26.11 | Arafangion | 08:21 < stew> cydork: skipping a *released* version isn't supported |
| 21:26.13 | Arafangion | 08:21 < rshakin> have they pached the screen vulnerability yet |
| 21:26.15 | SpaceFrog | i notice that my server takes a while to boot, starting something called Appletalk. Do i need that? can i turn it off? |
| 21:26.18 | Arafangion | Damn touchpad. |
| 21:26.21 | colorLover | g'night |
| 21:26.29 | SpaceFrog | i have no apple computers on my network |
| 21:26.37 | biopyte | streuner, i had no problems migrating from stable(sarge) to testing(etch) |
| 21:26.50 | Seb | what's the simplest way to find a HD size in human-readable format ? |
| 21:26.56 | Arafangion | biopyte: Must've chosen a good time to do that. |
| 21:27.06 | cureless | SpaceFrog: you don't need it |
| 21:27.15 | HolyGoat | streuner: I know what unstable means. I was just wondering if anyone else was having experiencing difficulties with it. |
| 21:27.20 | Arafangion | Seb: cfdisk, probably. |
| 21:27.22 | SpaceFrog | how do i turn off unnecessary daemons? |
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| 21:27.28 | SpaceFrog | on boot, that is |
| 21:27.28 | HolyGoat | Because it's not exactly segfaulting with sensible information. |
| 21:27.29 | streuner | HolyGoat: read the sid faq |
| 21:27.39 | SpaceFrog | i'll probably switch off the appletalk and apache daemons |
| 21:27.41 | streuner | first :-) |
| 21:27.42 | Arafangion | Seb: Most people use du -h and are only concerned with the *partition* sizes. |
| 21:27.44 | cureless | Seb: dmesg | grep hda |
| 21:27.46 | biopyte | Afrangion, about one year before the next release. not immediatly after the release, of course. |
| 21:28.08 | Seb | cureless: no size info there |
| 21:28.11 | vin` | Seb: df -h? |
| 21:28.13 | Seb | Arafangion: i meant from a script |
| 21:28.19 | cureless | Seb: really? |
| 21:28.23 | biopyte | Afrangion, never had problems with testing (except for some xorg-stuff). love it. |
| 21:28.23 | Seb | vin`: if it's not mounted, i doubt this is gonna work |
| 21:28.37 | Seb | Arafangion: and if the disk isn't mounted at all |
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| 21:29.11 | HolyGoat | streuner: Oh, you mean checking the bugtracker. I guess that makes sense, thanks. |
| 21:29.12 | cureless | Seb: what kind of disk is it? |
| 21:29.26 | Seb | cureless: a hard-drive |
| 21:29.46 | cureless | Seb: ide? scsi? they should give you the size in dmesg |
| 21:29.53 | Arafangion | Seb: Why on earth do you need to know the size of the entire disc without mounting it? |
| 21:30.01 | Seb | Arafangion: i'm writing an install script |
| 21:30.18 | Seb | Arafangion: makes more sense now ? |
| 21:30.24 | Arafangion | Seb: Not really. |
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| 21:30.40 | cureless | Seb: you can use fdisk |
| 21:31.03 | cureless | Seb: but dmesg should have given you the size too |
| 21:31.12 | Seb | Arafangion: the thing is, fdisk mostly uses blocks/cylinders, which are not really user-freidnly |
| 21:31.19 | Seb | cureless: hmm it doesn't |
| 21:31.26 | Seb | cureless: i ust checked my current dmseg |
| 21:31.34 | Seb | but lemme look again, maybe it's *around* the hda line |
| 21:31.37 | cureless | Seb: fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep Disk |
| 21:31.38 | Arafangion | Seb: It can use megabytes as well, but cfdisk is considered more friendly. |
| 21:31.57 | Arafangion | Seb: In any case, user friendlyness is irrelevant, you're writing a *script* |
| 21:32.02 | Seb | cureless: nope dmesg doesn't show anything |
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| 21:32.13 | cureless | Seb: if you have scrolled in the dmesg command too much you can look at /var/log/dmesg |
| 21:32.16 | Seb | Arafangion: i still need to present the user of my script with a number he'll be able to understand |
| 21:32.19 | Arafangion | Seb: make the script itself user friendly, but the tools the script uses don't have to be. |
| 21:32.21 | Seb | cureless: i did |
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| 21:32.40 | ma3x | I'm trying to play ogg files with xine, but it can't play it. it says no demuxer available. (debian sid) |
| 21:33.02 | cureless | Seb: and you don't get something along the lines of: hda: 117231408 sectors (60022 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100) |
| 21:33.16 | jazbo2186 | wow backports.org is awesome now that I know how to use it but too bad there's no backport of amarok... |
| 21:33.29 | cureless | Seb: otherwise, use fdisk -l | grep Disk |
| 21:33.41 | cureless | fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep Disk |
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| 21:35.39 | grendal_prime | hey i got this flash vid i would like to capture...can i do that via a pipe? |
| 21:35.40 | Seb | cureless: cool, that's nice |
| 21:35.42 | Seb | cureless: thanks a lot |
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| 21:39.27 | vin` | grendal_prime: try keepvid.com ...blasphemy! |
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| 21:43.33 | rpetre | is there a recommended way to save aptitude's package database (with the auto/noauto flag) to plain text, similar to dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 21:44.49 | ma3x | I'm trying to play ogg files with xine, but it can't play it. it says no demuxer available. (debian sid) |
| 21:45.38 | nn-main | i know the port theat i need for pcmcia is 0x3e0 but what irq do i use the poss abilites are ,, (from dmesg) ,, 3,4,5,7,9,10,11,15,, ??? |
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| 21:46.44 | odla | skx: thanks for telling me about qemu it was really easy to set up and using kqeum it runs super fast |
| 21:47.30 | Guerin | ma3x: use mplayer |
| 21:47.51 | ma3x | Guerin: I can't use mplayer with amarok, you know...... |
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| 21:50.37 | rshakin | hey anyone had gotten those red light cameras |
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| 21:50.53 | rshakin | tickets |
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| 21:51.32 | rshakin | i know it's not debian related... but... do you know if those tickets go on record |
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| 21:52.29 | odla | rshakin: dude what are you talking about? |
| 21:52.43 | odla | rshakin: it defintely sounds -offtopic |
| 21:52.44 | qailer | I'm totally confused |
| 21:52.57 | odla | is red light cameras software or a band? |
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| 21:57.13 | beardy | rshakin: Try your local police department.. |
| 21:57.48 | tclineks | hello, i'm going to be overseeing an ubuntu desktop deployment for salespeople at work and was wondering if it were possible to have a local apt repository cache that is built dynamicallly? i'm not very familiar with apt so this may reach outside of its scope/philosophy. |
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| 21:57.51 | amichai | can someone tell me what the txt-only chat client is that supports msn, yahoo etc like gaim |
| 21:58.00 | amichai | terminal based only, no Z |
| 21:58.02 | amichai | no X |
| 21:58.16 | qailer | amichai: tmsnc |
| 21:58.38 | Guerin | amichai: irssi-text |
| 21:59.00 | Guerin | amichai: or any other ir client |
| 21:59.00 | Guerin | irc |
| 21:59.00 | Guerin | even |
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| 21:59.23 | amichai | Guerin: no, something like licq |
| 21:59.30 | amichai | Guerin: but terminal based |
| 21:59.32 | amichai | i used it before |
| 21:59.35 | Irrumator | amichai: there's gaim-text imo |
| 21:59.35 | beardy | amichai: irssi and bitlbee |
| 21:59.35 | amichai | forgot its name |
| 21:59.37 | Guerin | tclineks: explain what you want, without buzzwords |
| 21:59.40 | amichai | it was all colrs and stuff |
| 21:59.42 | Guerin | amichai: i'm serious. |
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| 22:00.03 | Guerin | amichai: in any irc client, such as irssi, /connect im.bitlbee.org and follow instructions |
| 22:00.04 | jelly | hmm, many /dev/sg* devices are created by default in sarge base install? |
| 22:00.04 | Irrumator | err, iirc i mean |
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| 22:00.16 | franzturin | jews did wtc? |
| 22:00.18 | franzturin | LOL! |
| 22:00.18 | amichai | Guerin: cool thanx |
| 22:00.25 | Guerin | amichai: or run your own local bitlbee if you're concerned about privacy, which is a joke on im anyhow |
| 22:00.29 | franzturin | WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?? |
| 22:00.39 | franzturin | did jews really did wtc???????ß |
| 22:00.40 | Guerin | !ops franzturin wants to be circumcised |
| 22:00.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: franzturin wants to be circumcised |
| 22:00.44 | tclineks | Guerin: buzzwords? -- dynamically? |
| 22:00.57 | franzturin | !ops guerin sucks cocks |
| 22:00.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: franzturin complains about: guerin sucks cocks |
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| 22:01.13 | tclineks | Ideally a client would check the local server for a package and the server would fetch and serve it, having it then cached for other clients. |
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| 22:01.27 | Guerin | tclineks: yeah. |
| 22:01.34 | beardy | I like the selfreporting ones best. |
| 22:01.41 | tclineks | Guerin: dynamically, as in I don't have to specify a package list |
| 22:02.03 | Guerin | tclineks: oh, that's apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
| 22:02.03 | grendal_prime | ya, this seems like it use to be an easyer thing to do, i would find the tmp file being writen to by the stream and then just copy it when it was done buffering |
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| 22:02.25 | grendal_prime | (captuer?g streaming video |
| 22:02.26 | tclineks | Guerin: thanks |
| 22:02.27 | grendal_prime | ) |
| 22:02.28 | Guerin | tclineks: it's not a repository, which is an all-or-nothing sort of affair. You can even do it with squid |
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| 22:03.44 | tclineks | does the ubuntu mention rub the wrong way? |
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| 22:05.00 | tclineks | Guerin: looks like apt-proxy is just what i'm looking for, thanks. |
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| 22:05.23 | Guerin | tclineks: dymanically can mean a bunch of things in different contexts |
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| 22:05.43 | Guerin | tclineks: in the context of an apt repository, it doesn't strictly make much sense |
| 22:05.45 | tclineks | Guerin: true, but "dynamically building a cache" |
| 22:06.12 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 22:08.48 | Arron76 | can someone point me to some docs on how to compile a single module for a debian kernel? |
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| 22:09.09 | Guerin | Arron76: man make-kpkg |
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| 22:09.22 | Guerin | Arron76: also see if it's supported by module-assistant |
| 22:09.51 | Arron76 | do i need make-kpkg? i just want to compile a singal module and run it |
| 22:09.52 | jikuty | does anyone know of a professional dvd burning app, where I can burn dual layer dvds and set my OWN layerbreak? |
| 22:10.06 | jikuty | i tried k3b .. it allowed me to write Disc at Once, but it didnt let me set my own layerbreak... |
| 22:10.13 | Arron76 | the device is suported, but i want to run a different driver |
| 22:10.50 | jelly | jikuty: maybe Nero? I haven't tried it. |
| 22:11.28 | jelly | jikuty: It's nonfree and not in Debian though. |
| 22:11.33 | jikuty | ack |
| 22:11.37 | jikuty | any other suggestions? |
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| 22:11.54 | nash-20 | hi |
| 22:12.05 | Tarantulafudge | How do I disconnect ssh users? |
| 22:12.08 | nash-20 | how can i play a movie using samba? |
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| 22:13.34 | peterS | nash-20: samba is not a movie player, samba is a file server |
| 22:13.42 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: kill their processes |
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| 22:13.53 | peterS | the sshd process should be sufficient |
| 22:14.05 | peterS | (not the master one, the one for each connection) |
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| 22:14.12 | nash-20 | peterS, i know, play a movie with mplayer by samba? |
| 22:14.25 | Arafangion | peterS: I thought it was a javascript interpreter! :) |
| 22:14.27 | peterS | nash-20: mplayer and samba have nothing to do with each other. your question makes no sense |
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| 22:15.04 | amphi | nash-20: smbmount the thing and just point mplayer at the file, I guess |
| 22:15.22 | nash-20 | mmm |
| 22:15.54 | biopyte | hehe, how can i play my .mp3 with vim? |
| 22:16.04 | biopyte | please help |
| 22:16.12 | peterS | biopyte: you need to switch to emacs |
| 22:16.32 | peterS | biopyte: and then use bongo, a media player for emacs |
| 22:16.34 | biopyte | really, =:-O |
| 22:16.35 | biopyte | ? |
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| 22:16.43 | AlexJ^ | can i install java (compiler) on debian using apt-get? |
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| 22:16.47 | ezu5t | which package contains the man pages for stdlib.h? |
| 22:16.50 | biopyte | i dont use emax |
| 22:17.02 | peterS | biopyte: unfortunately, bongo is not in debian stable, only in testing/unstable |
| 22:17.11 | amphi | ezu5t: manpages-dev |
| 22:17.19 | ezu5t | thanks amphi |
| 22:17.25 | biopyte | running testing here |
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| 22:17.31 | biopyte | no problem |
| 22:17.37 | peterS | biopyte: I don't know of a media player for vim, that's why you have to switch to emacs |
| 22:18.32 | odla | biopyte: there is also emms |
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| 22:18.53 | odla | peterS: is bongo in testing? |
| 22:19.02 | biopyte | peterS: in vim i can do ":!mpg123" |
| 22:19.05 | odla | peterS: sorry just scrolled up |
| 22:19.21 | peterS | odla: also, I note that bongo doesn't support xemacs21. maybe someday I should switch back to gnumacs |
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| 22:19.43 | peterS | biopyte: yeah in the sense that you can run any shell command from vim. that's not the same as having a media player |
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| 22:20.30 | jikuty | I think I figured out how to set layerbreak in K3B .. i set '-use-the-force-luke=layer:xxxxxxx' as a parameter for growisofs |
| 22:20.35 | odla | how does it stack up to emms? |
| 22:21.55 | jelly | jikuty: that option sounds almost as disgusting as glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 22:22.00 | peterS | odla: to be honest I haven't tried either one. I only heard someone say recently that bongo was nicer |
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| 22:22.11 | jikuty | hahah |
| 22:22.16 | donavan | I thought debian left freenode? |
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| 22:22.24 | jikuty | yeah, well .. if it works, I won't complain :D |
| 22:22.30 | peterS | donavan: irc.debian.org is not freenode |
| 22:22.35 | jikuty | itll be a nice alternative to burning dvds in windows (using clonecd) |
| 22:22.39 | peterS | donavan: apparently you didn't use irc.debian.org to connect |
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| 22:22.40 | nn-main | what is module mii used for |
| 22:22.54 | peterS | nn-main: to interface with MII chips |
| 22:22.59 | peterS | nn-main: I know that's a really informative answer |
| 22:23.11 | peterS | nn-main: the MII is found on many ethernet cards |
| 22:23.30 | donavan | petemc: I was merely reading lilo old whines |
| 22:23.43 | AlleyKat | :S whats the idea of listing packages not on the mirrors I wonder |
| 22:24.01 | jikuty | alrighty.. im gonna close all these programs to ensure a good burn |
| 22:24.06 | jikuty | later guys :D |
| 22:24.21 | nn-main | ok |
| 22:24.24 | AlleyKat | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fg%2Fglibc%2Flibc6_2.3.6.ds1-4_i386.deb&md5sum=1f9ae652092b3467135d941b6993c303&arch=i386&type=main <- anyone know where to find a working link? |
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| 22:25.10 | rgsteele | Hey guys...what's the recommended size (relative to the size of the drive) to partition off for metadata? |
| 22:25.22 | peterS | rgsteele: what is metadata? |
| 22:25.33 | Guerin | since when do you have to make a separate partition for metadata? |
| 22:25.52 | peterS | have you ever metadata? |
| 22:26.35 | rgsteele | Er, not separate partition, but rather space reserved for it. I'm using DRBD to mirror two disks in real time and it needs some place to store metadata. So, i'm using the resize_reiserfs utility to create that room |
| 22:26.53 | abrotman | why bother .. your metadata will be useless |
| 22:26.54 | peterS | rgsteele: you should have asked how much metadata DRBD stores, then |
| 22:27.10 | rgsteele | I think it's relative to the size of the disk |
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| 22:27.21 | rgsteele | abrotman: What? No it won't. |
| 22:27.24 | abrotman | peterS: can you fix this program |
| 22:27.33 | abrotman | rgsteele: it will be when reiser eats your data! |
| 22:27.43 | peterS | abrotman: I don't care about DRBD, so I'm afraid not |
| 22:27.46 | nn-main | do i and or how do i tell module 8139too to conect to module mii |
| 22:27.47 | rgsteele | abrotman: I've never experienced this phenomenon ;) |
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| 22:27.58 | abrotman | rgsteele: find a big piece of wood |
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| 22:28.04 | peterS | nn-main: you don't worry about it. if 8139too needs mii it will load it |
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| 22:28.56 | nn-main | well i's not loading even after mii loaded secessfully |
| 22:29.04 | rgsteele | Ah, here we go: http://wiki.openssi.org/go/DRBD_Debian |
| 22:29.37 | rgsteele | It says 128MB...but, disk space is cheap...I think i'll give it 256 just in case |
| 22:29.46 | nn-main | and I know that it is the corect driver because it works with my pcmia card on the oither laptop |
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| 22:30.04 | nn-main | but it still dosent see it on this one |
| 22:30.07 | peterS | nn-main: this is a pcmcia-based realtek 8139? |
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| 22:30.15 | nn-main | yes |
| 22:30.29 | peterS | nn-main: have you got the cardbus bridge driver loaded? does 'lspci' see your card? |
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| 22:31.14 | AlleyKat | hmm I'm trying to install perl... Unpacking replacement perl-base ... Setting up perl-base (5.8.8-6.1) ... (then it just exits, no errors?) |
| 22:31.28 | nn-main | ls pci is not on the floppy install version ??? i dont know |
| 22:31.30 | peterS | AlleyKat: right, so, what's the problem? |
| 22:31.39 | peterS | nn-main: not "ls pci", "lspci". |
| 22:32.03 | nn-main | i know i have used it before |
| 22:32.13 | nn-main | i just typed it rong |
| 22:32.23 | AlleyKat | then when trying to install another package, it says that perl is still 5.8.4 |
| 22:32.24 | peterS | nn-main: if you can't remember whether to put spaces into words where I don't use spaces, it is going to be very hard to help you |
| 22:32.25 | nn-main | in irc client |
| 22:32.33 | nn-main | ok |
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| 22:32.53 | nn-main | sory |
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| 22:33.25 | nn-main | i just like debian better than dos so i kinda need some help gitting this card working |
| 22:33.36 | nn-main | so i can start installing |
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| 22:33.47 | Caelum | what's that gui program that checks systems against all possible vulnerabilities (and has plugins) called? |
| 22:34.26 | Braindead | nessus |
| 22:34.42 | Braindead | it has a gui. but the core is nessusd |
| 22:35.02 | Guerin | nessus is nessusarily a client-server architecture |
| 22:35.02 | peterS | nn-main: if the same card is detected by one machine and not by another, I'm guessing you have problems with your cardbus bridge. is the 'yenta' driver loaded? I think that's the most common type of cardbus bridge |
| 22:35.02 | nn-main | is there a module i need to try for the loading to the card bridg thing |
| 22:35.19 | peterS | subtle, Guerin, subtle |
| 22:35.20 | nn-main | i will check |
| 22:36.27 | Guerin | woot, my sausages are actually smoked |
| 22:36.40 | Guerin | rgsteele: itym Guestapo |
| 22:36.52 | rgsteele | ;) |
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| 22:37.04 | rgsteele | Mmmm...food. I'm starving |
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| 22:37.22 | Guerin | rgsteele: i don't recommend smoking sausages - takes bloody hours |
| 22:37.31 | nn-main | mod probe said that yenta is not a module under that name. i presume that i need to load it from an adisk |
| 22:37.33 | Guerin | but I managed to do it without burning my house down |
| 22:37.42 | rgsteele | Guerin: Yeah, but the reward is so gratifying |
| 22:37.49 | Caelum | Braindead, Guerin: thank you |
| 22:37.51 | nn-main | do you know how i can do taht |
| 22:37.54 | peterS | there you go again. "modprobe" is one word. |
| 22:37.56 | nn-main | that** |
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| 22:38.31 | nn-main | modeprobe** |
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| 22:39.19 | AlleyKat | uhmm anything I can do to find out why it doesn't install the perl? |
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| 22:39.23 | nn-main | do i load it as a package or as "?" |
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| 22:39.44 | nn-main | ** somthing else |
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| 22:40.10 | Guerin | AlleyKat: define 'it' |
| 22:40.25 | Guerin | AlleyKat: because 'it' sure as bedamed ain't debian, which can't run without perl |
| 22:40.45 | rgsteele | Eh, I'm having a brain fart. What's the easiest way to print out the size of a partition? I keep going past fsck in my mind, but I don't want something destructive |
| 22:41.00 | sanmarcos | dpigs outputs 76692 tetex-base, is that in kilobytes? |
| 22:41.00 | chemaja | rgsteele: fdisk -l ? |
| 22:41.01 | AlleyKat | 'it' has perl 5.8.4 but needs perl 5.8.8 :) |
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| 22:41.33 | amphi | rgsteele: df if it's mounted |
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| 22:41.36 | rgsteele | chemaja: Doesn't that just print out the # of blocks though? |
| 22:41.57 | Guerin | rgsteele: nope. |
| 22:41.57 | rgsteele | amphi: Ah, I think that's the one |
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| 22:42.25 | chemaja | rgsteele: you asked for the size of the partition... |
| 22:42.48 | pickcoder | can anyone recommend a reliable rs232 to ethernet server that can operate as a TCP server? |
| 22:43.01 | rgsteele | I was looking for different units... sorry for not being specific chemaja |
| 22:43.14 | flamesro1k | anyone know what the best software for setting up MAME with a frontend is for linux? |
| 22:43.18 | AlleyKat | :( sorry, I don't even know what to ask |
| 22:43.21 | rgsteele | e.g., 1000000 kilobytes, or something like that |
| 22:43.42 | chemaja | rgsteele: are you sure you don't want the size of the filesystem? |
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| 22:44.24 | rgsteele | I need to shrink the partition by 256MB |
| 22:44.49 | rgsteele | Not by a given number of blocks...because, (iirc) block sizes differ between systems |
| 22:45.05 | chemaja | rgsteele: easiest way to resize partitions is use the debian-installer |
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| 22:45.07 | h3sp4wn | flamesro1k: advancemame and avancemenu works best in my experience (but you would still have to read some docs) |
| 22:45.24 | rgsteele | Eh, I've done it before with resize_reiserfs...just been awhile |
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| 22:46.01 | rgsteele | Ah, woot got it |
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| 22:46.15 | rgsteele | Alright, all Guerin's talk about smoked sausages has made me *really* hungry |
| 22:46.20 | rgsteele | I'm going home to make dinner |
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| 22:47.34 | nn-main | peterS, there was a yenta_socket that failed to load because it sait there was no suporting hard where or somthing loke that |
| 22:47.43 | nn-main | like** |
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| 22:47.49 | sanmarcos | Installed-Size: 76696, what format is that on, when using apt? |
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| 22:50.00 | dli | debootstrap error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/gentoo mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:50.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:50.16 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:51.07 | Zarephath | dli: Not sure but your path looks screwed...shouldn't it be /mnt/gentoo/proc |
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| 22:51.30 | Zarephath | dli: You have to mount proc first.. |
| 22:51.36 | sanmarcos | Installed-Size: 76696, what format is that on, when using apt? |
| 22:51.41 | sanmarcos | kbytes, bytes? |
| 22:52.45 | Guerin | polltime: general quality of asus notebooks? |
| 22:53.06 | Guerin | not for unixage, for basic windowsage , my bro is a graphic designer, so free software is a woft for him |
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| 22:58.38 | AlleyKat | http://pastebin.com/819337 any suggestions on how I get it to install? |
| 22:58.47 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:58.54 | Mazingaro | was lilo in this channel?? |
| 22:59.07 | amphi | Mazingaro: not for some time... |
| 22:59.12 | Caelum | keychain is a nice little utility, even if it was written by gentoo people :) |
| 22:59.52 | Mazingaro | amphi: ok |
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| 23:02.01 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:02.01 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
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| 23:02.27 | strid | can i do a debian net install from within another distro without using floppies/cds? |
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| 23:03.44 | penguin__ | apt-get update keeps failing to get all the new headers? |
| 23:03.51 | tarzeau | strid: you can do with netboot/tftp? |
| 23:03.56 | penguin__ | Am I using a bad server. |
| 23:03.58 | penguin__ | ? |
| 23:04.02 | tarzeau | strid: the http://livecd.gnustep.org/ includes a fully /tftpboot |
| 23:04.13 | tarzeau | strid: for installing debian completely without media |
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| 23:04.35 | flamesro1k | h3sp4wn: thanks dude, I'll get those |
| 23:04.46 | flamesro1k | man I have so many terminals open :8 |
| 23:04.57 | tarzeau | flamesro1k: how many? |
| 23:05.06 | flamesro1k | like 8 |
| 23:05.07 | penguin__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.17 | mmcat | I'm having problems with partitioning while installing Debian. Could anyone help? |
| 23:05.23 | flamesro1k | but I like it |
| 23:05.30 | flamesro1k | terminals rock |
| 23:05.51 | tarzeau | flamesro1k: not all of them |
| 23:06.12 | h3sp4wn | flamesro1k: screen in xterm then you only need 1 |
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| 23:06.33 | amphi | flamesro1k: or mrxvt is handy if you like 'em tabbed |
| 23:06.43 | penguin__ | Noone can help if you dont ask a question |
| 23:06.54 | mmcat | k. |
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| 23:07.30 | strid | /tftpboot, huh |
| 23:07.35 | flamesro1k | I tried mrxvt it's nice but I like arranging individuals xterms around the screen |
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| 23:08.15 | amphi | flamesro1k: you might like a wm like wmii or ion in that case |
| 23:08.20 | biopyte | use also tty1-tty6 |
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| 23:08.52 | mmcat | I have SATA drives...the partitioner names them SCSI1, SCSI2, etc. It shows free space on all of them as 1.1 GB eM Bay Reader. I've resized my windows partition and made another FAT32, 20 GB partition for Debian. How do I know which one to install the distro on? |
| 23:08.58 | strid | what exactly is this /tftpboot deal? |
| 23:09.10 | flamesro1k | cool amphi I'll check that out |
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| 23:11.55 | lindenle|work | Can someone tell me why pam_limits is not working with my nis group users |
| 23:12.48 | strid | tarzeau: can you explain a bit more about /tftpboot and the livecd? |
| 23:12.50 | lindenle|work | Also why does it not log to syslog when it kills a process for too much cpu |
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| 23:13.14 | cfranco | hi good evening guys |
| 23:14.33 | sparr_ | so, am i crazy or is there no way to move past the first page in FF2.0's built in pdf viewer? |
| 23:14.40 | AlleyKat | http://pastebin.com/819337 any suggestions on how I get it to install are extremely welcome thanks |
| 23:15.08 | tarzeau | strid: you want to install i386 computers? |
| 23:15.26 | tarzeau | strid: basically you boot the live cd, then start the tftpd and dhcp3-server |
| 23:15.47 | xmoogle | is there any easy way on a running system to check if a filesystem is ext2 or ext3? |
| 23:15.49 | tarzeau | strid: then you need the root/boot images, that you serve by tftpd (clients do pxe) that's it |
| 23:15.49 | strid | but I don't have any media to burn the livecd to |
| 23:16.03 | tarzeau | strid: you can netboot the livecd :) |
| 23:16.06 | tarzeau | strid: or order it :) |
| 23:16.08 | strid | I have no idea how |
| 23:16.21 | tarzeau | strid: hire a consultant? |
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| 23:16.49 | strid | my budget doesn't have room for consulting |
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| 23:16.59 | blackelf | hello |
| 23:17.02 | tarzeau | strid: where are you, countrywise? |
| 23:17.02 | valdyn | xmoogle: have you tried cat /dev/whatever | file ? |
| 23:17.12 | strid | tarzeau: scandinavia |
| 23:17.15 | blackelf | I would like to donate a patch to badblocks program |
| 23:17.31 | tarzeau | strid: i'm in switzerland, so it's not likely you can invite me for a tea |
| 23:17.31 | valdyn | xmoogle: other than that, its whatever you mount it as, see 'mounts' |
| 23:17.32 | xmoogle | valdyn......if that works, then *neat*! |
| 23:17.35 | strid | I don't know about ordering livecds, that's sort of like registering yourself with the communist party. |
| 23:17.38 | blackelf | but it seems the source code of it is quite messed up... O_o |
| 23:17.55 | zinx | blackelf: step one is to create the patch |
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| 23:18.00 | blackelf | strid: lol? |
| 23:18.02 | xmoogle | valdyn, zaurus linux is weird, i wouldn't necessarily expect mount configs to be somewhere obvious |
| 23:18.17 | cfranco | hi guys, somebody of the chanel works as to freeelancer? |
| 23:18.22 | valdyn | xmoogle: doesnt change how ext3 works though |
| 23:18.27 | tarzeau | cfranco: where? |
| 23:18.44 | valdyn | xmoogle: since its mounted its whatevr its mounted as ( unless its mounted ro ) |
| 23:18.45 | blackelf | zinx: I ment, I apt-get source ef2fsprogs and I can't find one file in there that is needed to create the /bin/badblcks, grr |
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| 23:19.02 | blackelf | cfranco: I do, why |
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| 23:19.26 | xmoogle | oh there we go, ext3 |
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| 23:19.57 | xmoogle | i run debian for years and unix in general for longer and... |
| 23:20.01 | xmoogle | oh well :) |
| 23:20.22 | cfranco | i'm finding any site that it supplies this work |
| 23:20.25 | blackelf | when I did apt-get source foo then how should I build the package into .deb? and how to install it |
| 23:20.51 | blackelf | cfranco: you want to hire a freelancer? or do you want to offer your services to others |
| 23:21.02 | valdyn | blackelf: apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get -b source foo; dpkg -i some.deb |
| 23:21.06 | cfranco | i need the new job...eheheh |
| 23:21.15 | zinx | blackelf: you're going to have trouble creating a patch if you can't find the source for the program, i fear |
| 23:21.32 | h3sp4wn | blackelf: or use pbuilder or debuild |
| 23:21.32 | blackelf | zinx: no. I just dislike working with other ppl code |
| 23:21.53 | blackelf | valdyn: but I need to build the sources *patched* (by my) not oryginal ones |
| 23:22.44 | cureless | cfranco: what kind of freelancer? |
| 23:23.26 | cfranco | i'm sorry guys... i typed the message in the channel wrong |
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| 23:25.03 | valdyn | blackelf: apply patch; cd sourcetree; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 23:30.18 | Dark_Lord | Hi there, is there a way a SMS can be sent to me when my ICQ contact goes online?? |
| 23:30.26 | sanmarcos | is there a way to generate a sources.list besides writing it by hadn? |
| 23:31.32 | thingfish | sanmarcos: try apt-setup |
| 23:32.00 | blackelf | sanmarcos: perhaps apt-spy |
| 23:32.09 | Caelum | Dark_Lord: there's an email to SMS gateway you can use |
| 23:32.15 | eeyore- | man, this breaks my heart. i really wanted the PS3 to be successful, but it looks like i'll be buying an xbox :-) |
| 23:32.18 | Caelum | Dark_Lord: ask your cell provider |
| 23:32.26 | zinx | eeyore-: move to japan |
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| 23:36.58 | gimmulf | Hi, im having both exim/ and exim4/ in etc/ how do i know which one is used=? |
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| 23:37.17 | MmikeRMRM | is there a netinst CD iso image for sid as there is for etch? |
| 23:38.04 | h3sp4wn | MmikeRMRM: no |
| 23:38.07 | pickcoder | eeyore-: does the Xbox do blue DVD? |
| 23:39.29 | strid | blue dvd? |
| 23:39.42 | strid | xbox360, bluray? |
| 23:39.49 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 23:39.56 | strid | no |
| 23:40.03 | strid | only the ps3 is using bluray |
| 23:40.10 | pickcoder | that'd be the only reason I'd get a ps3 |
| 23:40.17 | pickcoder | the players are like $1000 right now on their own |
| 23:40.22 | strid | which is why it's so god damn late, the blue lens plant or whatever it is pulled an atlantis on them |
| 23:40.42 | strid | anyway, I think the 360 has a hddvd |
| 23:40.46 | strid | but don't take my word for that |
| 23:40.51 | strid | on that, rather |
| 23:40.54 | pickcoder | beta and vhs all over again |
| 23:41.05 | strid | sony always picks the losing side |
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| 23:41.30 | AlleyKat | theres something distinctly betamax about this linux |
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| 23:41.59 | eeyore- | pickcoder: i don't think i care about bluray at the moment. not for a couple of years. the drives will be more mature, and i'll have terrabytes to rip the disks to, if i decide to buy all my movies all over again :-p |
| 23:42.04 | MmikeRMRM | i can't install etch, it gives me a lot of these: task_in_intr: status=0x59 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataReqyest Error } and error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, that happens before the installer kicks in... i can install sarge with no problems at all... |
| 23:42.06 | pinky | X.Org in Etch/Sid is 7.1, so does that mean it has AIGLX? |
| 23:42.27 | pickcoder | eeyore-: I want 1080i.. I already have a PS2 and 2 gaming machines |
| 23:42.29 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:42.32 | pinky | Or are the precompiled Debian X.Org packages specifically missing AIGLX due to the graphics driver issue? |
| 23:42.33 | eeyore- | pickcoder: bluray / hd dvd is just another scam to get consumers to refresh their collection :-p |
| 23:42.37 | pickcoder | I don't need another game console |
| 23:42.46 | eeyore- | i have a PS2 but it's really dated |
| 23:43.10 | strid | I have a chipped xbox, it's a pretty nice media center |
| 23:43.11 | eeyore- | and instead of building a killer box for gaming i might just as well buy an xbox ... |
| 23:43.25 | eeyore- | heck of a lot cheaper |
| 23:43.26 | strid | you can't upgrade xbox parts. |
| 23:43.32 | pickcoder | just make sure it doesn't overheat... <g> |
| 23:43.35 | eeyore- | strid: heck of a lot cheaper :-) |
| 23:43.45 | strid | eeyore-: but you can't upgrade it. |
| 23:43.49 | strid | it's a one trick pony |
| 23:43.54 | strid | wysiwyg until it dies |
| 23:44.07 | eeyore- | strid: well, i'm OK with that. do you upgrade your car? OK, OK, i upgrade mine. but, that's besides the point :-) |
| 23:44.21 | strid | upgrading > buying new |
| 23:44.37 | petemc | strid: you can update xbox parts |
| 23:45.08 | strid | can you change the cpu so that it can render hidef video? |
| 23:45.16 | strid | I wish |
| 23:45.25 | eeyore- | yeah, but to build a windoze pc for gaming ... that's just another administrative overhead to keep it up to date with patches, etc. |
| 23:45.46 | eeyore- | i intend to do all video-related stuff under linux, so that's not relevant |
| 23:45.57 | strid | if only those miKKKro$$$oft jerks had some way of giving windows users automatic updates |
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| 23:46.17 | eeyore- | strid: well, you know those don't always go smoothly, right? :-) |
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| 23:46.28 | strid | uh, they pretty much always do though |
| 23:46.35 | quintin | Would I have any problems putting debian on a 250g hdd in a pentium II machine? |
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| 23:47.02 | strid | quintin: no, unless there's something else you're leaving out |
| 23:47.12 | quintin | strid: I don't think I'm leaving anything out |
| 23:47.18 | quintin | I just want to put a huge hard disk in this old server |
| 23:48.00 | quintin | so I shouldn't have any issues then? |
| 23:48.13 | pickcoder | strid: windows has automatic updates.. were you joking? |
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| 23:48.50 | strid | pickcoder: depends entirely on whether you noticed the sarcasm or not |
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| 23:49.22 | pickcoder | it's so easy to pickup on sarcasm in chat |
| 23:49.30 | pickcoder | </sarcasm> |
| 23:49.42 | quintin | it's easy to pickup on your mom |
| 23:52.34 | strid | snap |
| 23:53.16 | quintin | strid: I thought there were issues with old computers and big new hard drives though.. or is that only a win thing? |
| 23:53.26 | abrotman | no .. it's a BIOS thing |
| 23:53.32 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:53.33 | abrotman | 138GB is the limit for some older machines |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | some mobos can get a BIOS update to fix that |
| 23:53.53 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
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| 23:54.04 | Dark_Lord | Pals, does the ICQ have an ability to send an email by an icoming ICQ contact?? |
| 23:54.10 | quintin | # hardware is dead |
| 23:54.24 | pickcoder | google is quite useful |
| 23:54.25 | h3sp4wn | if you have a seperate /boot partition you can get round those limits |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | ask them anyways .. they'll know more |
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| 23:54.38 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: that's the lilo problem .. not the BIOS problem |
| 23:54.54 | quintin | h3sp4wn: elaborate? |
| 23:55.27 | Dark_Lord | I mean if I can set it on icq.com in my settings! |
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| 23:55.48 | Dark_Lord | there doesnt seem to be an option for that |
| 23:56.01 | h3sp4wn | quintin: I was thinking of something else |
| 23:56.24 | odla | how can i make the module kqemu load everytime? i've added it to /etc/modules |
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| 23:56.37 | abrotman | that should be it |
| 23:56.43 | h3sp4wn | odla: you need to set up a udev rule |
| 23:56.49 | daqqal | hey guys, whats new |
| 23:57.08 | odla | h3sp4wn: how do i do that? |
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| 23:58.26 | litage | where can i find the firefox icons in each size (16x16, 32x32, ...)? my last dist-upgrade removed them |
| 23:58.43 | abrotman | litage: they should be in the package |
| 23:58.54 | h3sp4wn | odla: http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi/viewtopic.php?t=1477&sid=28cad71277b974bcc3777a061930c28c (bottom part of that post is what I did) |
| 23:58.56 | daqqal | i am on sarge testing and installed gcc 4.1, then compiled 2.6.18.2, worked fine but i can't compile a driver against that kernel, so then i went back to gcc 3.4 and tried to compile 2.6.8 kernel and i get assembly errors, before i completly reinstall the system, is that anything anyon can suggest i do to fix the gas? |
| 23:59.27 | h3sp4wn | odla: But it didn't work for me any otherway and afterwards run update-modules (may or not be necessary) |
| 23:59.29 | Xorm | In Soviet Russia, gas fix YOU!!! |
| 23:59.36 | abrotman | daqqal: how did you install 2.6.18.2 ? |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | or compile |
