| 00:00.06 | streuner | abrotman: there are serveral other kernels for sarge (backports) |
| 00:00.07 | black_13 | modeprobe rtc FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko): No such device is what i just got (after running the above commands) |
| 00:00.14 | abrotman | streuner: no shit .. i don't need one .. |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | !tell streuner about sns syndrome |
| 00:00.39 | streuner | haha |
| 00:00.41 | grendal_prime | exit |
| 00:00.45 | Gh0stee | streuner: Ya, well the issue is that sound just randomly doesnt work now Ive run alsaconf and then check the mixer to see if anything is muted and nothing is |
| 00:00.46 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssss |
| 00:01.18 | abrotman | stew: btw .. do a !list |
| 00:01.19 | abrotman | !list |
| 00:01.19 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to abrotman |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | eh .. do it again :) |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | ignore what dpkg tells you :) |
| 00:01.45 | stew | !list |
| 00:01.45 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to stew |
| 00:01.56 | stew | abrotman: ok, why did i do that? |
| 00:02.03 | streuner | are you stoned? |
| 00:02.03 | abrotman | stew: didn't you get a message from dansushi ? |
| 00:02.07 | stew | no |
| 00:02.10 | abrotman | are you drunk ? |
| 00:02.13 | stew | no |
| 00:02.15 | streuner | no, not you :-) |
| 00:02.18 | abrotman | stew: /j #flood |
| 00:02.18 | dansushi | hmm? |
| 00:02.22 | stew | no |
| 00:02.36 | Supaplex | !stfu stew ;) |
| 00:02.36 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP stew ;)! |
| 00:02.38 | abrotman | dansushi: whatever script that is .. turn it off |
| 00:02.55 | streuner | hell, abrotman is crazy today |
| 00:03.11 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4405 |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | streuner: did you try a !list ? |
| 00:03.30 | nvz | streuner: someone's got to do it when I am not around |
| 00:03.32 | streuner | Gh0stee: what happening if you try to run 'xmms' on cli? |
| 00:03.44 | stew | oh, i guess i did get a notice from dansushi |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | right .. advertising warez |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | or movies .. or whatever |
| 00:04.05 | nvz | abrotman's the closest thing to a yinzer you can get when Im gone :P |
| 00:04.17 | nvz | er.. /me smears the ' |
| 00:04.18 | abrotman | nvz: we wait for starfish and zu22 |
| 00:04.19 | streuner | Gh0stee: Does 'alsaconf' detect a soundcard? |
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| 00:04.31 | dansushi | well,!list isn't even allowed here i think |
| 00:04.34 | nvz | abrotman: newsflash starfish probably wont ever be back |
| 00:04.41 | dansushi | i haveit for other channels i'm in |
| 00:04.45 | daqqal | abrotman: i got one machine working with 2.6.8 and hpt374 drivr |
| 00:04.49 | abrotman | dansushi: read the link i just posted .. your god damned script shows me warez |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | daqqal: woohoo |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | or movies .. whatever they are .. turn it off |
| 00:05.04 | daqqal | abrotman: ah yes, i got one machine going |
| 00:05.11 | abrotman | you have more than one ? |
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| 00:05.27 | nvz | abrotman: he changes his affiliations all the time.. more than I change my address.. right now he's on a ghost busters kick.. unless you can convince him debian is going to help him catch a ghost he probably wont come around |
| 00:05.44 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 00:06.12 | daqqal | abrotman: then i didn't want to do my other server completly to i copied over /usr/src/2.8.6 and /lib/modules/2.6.8 and sysmap, kernel and initrd-img and the second server has not come back up, have to go home and see what went wrong |
| 00:06.17 | stew | abrotman: thanks for the heads up |
| 00:06.22 | nvz | abrotman: wanted me to be his tech specialist.. I was like, you dont want me on your team I am gonna spoil all your fun with logic |
| 00:06.30 | abrotman | stew: it happened earlier .. but i forgot about it .. damn real work distracted me :) |
| 00:06.46 | nvz | damn hippies getting ideas from TV to start chasing ghosts |
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| 00:06.58 | sss | GG |
| 00:06.59 | streuner | hippies are fine |
| 00:07.00 | sss | G |
| 00:07.01 | nvz | this is why I dont watch tv.. |
| 00:07.02 | sss | G |
| 00:07.08 | daqqal | abrotman: /dev/sdb1 1.9T 1.4T 487G 74% /fuddlin |
| 00:07.08 | daqqal | 192.168.0.20:/deinkampf 1.4T 554G 849G 40% /deinkampf |
| 00:07.08 | sss | G |
| 00:07.11 | sss | GG |
| 00:07.12 | sss | G |
| 00:07.16 | sss | GG |
| 00:07.18 | sss | G |
| 00:07.19 | nvz | sss: little faster |
| 00:07.20 | sss | GG |
| 00:07.22 | sss | GGG |
| 00:07.24 | sss | GG |
| 00:07.26 | sss | G |
| 00:07.28 | sss | GG |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | !ops sss |
| 00:07.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: sss |
| 00:07.30 | streuner | nvz: hehe |
| 00:07.30 | sss | G |
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| 00:07.33 | sss | G |
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| 00:07.38 | nvz | streuner: ;) |
| 00:07.50 | daqqal | thats gcc not ggg |
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| 00:08.27 | streuner | he seems not only have problem with his soundcard... :-/ |
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| 00:11.13 | black_13 | abrotman any ideas on what would be causing the kernel modules to not load and would this cause problems with a wireless card? |
| 00:11.17 | flamesro1k | this isn't really debian related but is anyone here experienced with girls? I need some technical assistance |
| 00:11.21 | streuner | abrotman: where is eeyore-? |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | streuner: geographically ? |
| 00:11.50 | dead1ock | hello |
| 00:11.52 | abrotman | black_13: they're not there ? |
| 00:11.53 | streuner | flamero: /topic |
| 00:12.02 | g3brown | Hippies got a bad rap. They are pretty much responsible for the organic food industry. I am not a hippie. |
| 00:12.02 | streuner | no, atm |
| 00:12.11 | black_13 | no the files are present on the hard drive |
| 00:12.24 | streuner | hippies aren't vegans |
| 00:12.36 | black_13 | just underemployed |
| 00:13.23 | amphi | !tell flamesro1k about ask |
| 00:13.26 | streuner | flamesro1k: /topic |
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| 00:13.59 | peterS | anyone who persuaded the public that 'organic' means something other than made of organic compounds deserves a bad rap |
| 00:14.06 | dead1ock | fun |
| 00:14.19 | eeyore- | it's all an illusion, man ... |
| 00:14.23 | abrotman | peterS: huh ? |
| 00:14.25 | streuner | peterS: heh? |
| 00:14.34 | peterS | abrotman: just a reply to what g3brown said |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:15.19 | g3brown | petemc: huh? |
| 00:15.33 | g3brown | peterS: huh? |
| 00:15.36 | g3brown | petemc: sorry |
| 00:15.42 | peterS | g3brown: organic means made of organic compounds. like, uh, pretty much all food except water |
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| 00:15.51 | eeyore- | there's a lot of confusion here atm |
| 00:16.13 | streuner | eeyore-: hi |
| 00:16.14 | peterS | g3brown: whoever persuaded everyone that it actually means produced with only _naturally occurring_ organic compounds deserves a bad rap |
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| 00:16.44 | eeyore- | hey, streuner |
| 00:17.21 | streuner | :-) |
| 00:17.23 | peterS | I mean, it's not like the food I buy is _inorganic_ |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | as opposed to showered in DDT ? |
| 00:17.35 | eeyore- | i sometimes ask a vegan if it should be possible to one day synthesize a burger and whether he will eat such a burger, not having come from any cow that ever lived |
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| 00:17.59 | Supaplex | that *ever* lived? |
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| 00:18.05 | someone | vegans are crazy |
| 00:18.08 | g3brown | peterS: I hear you, but I'm not following. Are you saying you like the scientific definition of the word organic? and you mad at the hippies for changing it? |
| 00:18.22 | Phated | someone once said that vegans are crazy. |
| 00:18.26 | Phated | ;) |
| 00:18.31 | peterS | g3brown: I'm not blaming the hippies. I'm blaming whoever was too high on pot to have any idea what 'organic' and 'inorganic' actually mean |
| 00:18.50 | Supaplex | one organic all cow poop salad made to order. mmmmm. it must taste better because it's ALL NATURAL! |
| 00:19.18 | peterS | Supaplex: I like how Mad Magazine puts it. don't want "artificial sweeteners"? use arsenic, it's all natural |
| 00:19.27 | peterS | (and sweet. just not very good for you.) |
| 00:19.38 | Supaplex | sweet :P (pun intended) |
| 00:19.39 | stew | mmm tastes like almonds |
| 00:19.40 | streuner | you need too much diziplin in order to be a vegan, well i have a deep respect of vegans |
| 00:19.56 | g3brown | peterS: Rent 'Future on Food' if you would really like to know. http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=70038794 |
| 00:20.01 | eeyore- | streuner: discipline, and vitamin supplement :-) |
| 00:20.13 | streuner | eeyore-: :-) |
| 00:20.44 | streuner | eeyore-: imagine, you hardly can go to a restaurent and eat something... |
| 00:20.45 | peterS | g3brown: thanks but I already figured out that the food I buy is not inorganic. since I'm not, you know, high on pot |
| 00:21.22 | Supaplex | lol |
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| 00:21.58 | streuner | life is hard enough ;-) |
| 00:22.30 | stew | you can't be vegan and drink tap water in new york city |
| 00:22.41 | stew | or kosher for that matter |
| 00:22.57 | g3brown | peterS: inorganic is not the opposite of organic. It one of those words in the english language that mean something different depending on what you are talking about. |
| 00:23.02 | streuner | omg, you don't want live kosher and be a vegan |
| 00:23.04 | brick | when i have multiple USB mass storage devices, how do i know to which SCSI devices they map? |
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| 00:24.43 | g3brown | brick: I'm not sure you can. You might could use labels. look at e2label |
| 00:24.43 | Supaplex | UUID? |
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| 00:25.15 | luisito | hello |
| 00:25.21 | g3brown | brick: you could mount them by the label of the drive then. I think I have done that before. |
| 00:25.25 | luisito | anyone here have ubuntu running in a G3 600MHz iBook? |
| 00:25.38 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:25.38 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 00:26.06 | brick | thanks for the tip g3brown |
| 00:26.22 | eeyore- | stew: if someone died in the public water treatment facility, does that mean all vegans must drink water from somewhere else? :-) |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's silly .. worms die in there every day! |
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| 00:26.47 | craigevil | rats as well most likely |
| 00:26.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, i just thought of some posts from ogrish |
| 00:26.56 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:27.12 | craigevil | all organic water hehehe |
| 00:27.44 | stew | eeyore-: all vegans must not drink the NYC water in any case. it contains little shrimp like thingies (i'd call them by their right name if i knew how to spell crustaceans correctly) |
| 00:27.57 | eeyore- | brick: mount by uuid would be best |
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| 00:28.19 | eeyore- | stew: krills? |
| 00:28.20 | stew | wow, aparantely i do know how to spell crustaceans correctly! |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | just not apparently ? |
| 00:28.30 | stew | yeah |
| 00:28.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:28.35 | stew | saw that one coming |
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| 00:31.28 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 00:31.53 | stew | diff: 3.1r3 -> 3.1r4, removed the no lnoger updated STATUS link |
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| 00:32.42 | streuner | so those r4 isos are available? |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | stew: might as well remove the no longer updated testing security :) |
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| 00:33.09 | streuner | someone asked in a channel about |
| 00:33.24 | streuner | (he couldn't find any of them) |
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| 00:34.01 | abrotman | apparently not yet |
| 00:34.16 | streuner | i know, its a stupid question here, because everyone just apt-get upgrade that :-) |
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| 00:34.46 | dvs | streuner: sorry about last time. I was listening to "Straight Outta Lynwood" and wasn't paying attention to what was going on in the channel |
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| 00:35.09 | streuner | well, you had the right answer, i was blind :-) |
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| 00:36.00 | daeos | how can i find out what path java's components is installed in, using locate and grep i cant really narrow down the Java Connector and Java SDK locations |
| 00:36.00 | streuner | only fixated to etch, not to sarge, which was the main thingie :-) |
| 00:36.58 | Caelum | anyone using wajig? it seems like a nice tool |
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| 00:36.59 | eeyore- | daeos: were those installed from debian packages? |
| 00:36.59 | streuner | hm, dpkg -l | grep java? |
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| 00:37.13 | Caelum | daeos: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.08 |
| 00:37.20 | Caelum | daeos: generally, dpkg -L <package-name> |
| 00:37.37 | eeyore- | (--list-files) |
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| 00:38.41 | daeos | and what about this... for mysql connector /usr/share/java/mysql-3.1.7.jar |
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| 00:38.46 | daeos | does that sound right? |
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| 00:39.33 | Caelum | daeos: that sounds right, yes |
| 00:39.42 | Caelum | daeos: you need to put that jar in your CLASSPATH |
| 00:39.46 | daeos | need this info for Multiverse install |
| 00:39.55 | Caelum | what's multiverse? |
| 00:39.59 | daeos | mmo maker |
| 00:40.05 | Caelum | oh cool :) |
| 00:40.11 | daeos | runs on nix and windows |
| 00:40.14 | daeos | for server |
| 00:40.20 | streuner | hm |
| 00:40.20 | daeos | but uses Cygwin for windows |
| 00:40.26 | daeos | and im getting a JAVA error |
| 00:40.31 | daeos | so..i know my paths were wrong |
| 00:40.45 | daeos | hmm same error |
| 00:40.54 | Caelum | what error? |
| 00:41.09 | daeos | can i put it here |
| 00:41.11 | daeos | its small |
| 00:41.14 | daeos | 3 lins |
| 00:41.15 | daeos | lines* |
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| 00:41.53 | Caelum | just the relevant line, or /msg dpkg paster |
| 00:42.10 | daeos | done |
| 00:42.13 | daeos | in paster |
| 00:42.27 | Caelum | url please :) |
| 00:43.36 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4406 |
| 00:44.09 | Caelum | daeos: you're not using the sun jdk |
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| 00:44.39 | daeos | um.... |
| 00:44.40 | Caelum | daeos: sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-1.5.0-sun |
| 00:44.40 | daeos | i thought i was |
| 00:44.50 | Caelum | then try again |
| 00:45.09 | daeos | that command didn't work |
| 00:45.14 | Caelum | then you're not |
| 00:45.18 | daeos | i see |
| 00:45.26 | daeos | so java-1.5.0-sun |
| 00:45.27 | daeos | ok |
| 00:45.50 | daeos | grr |
| 00:45.55 | daeos | didn't install that package |
| 00:46.01 | Caelum | sun-java5-jdk |
| 00:46.09 | nevyn | so if java is in debian can we stop feeling dirty about knowing how to write java code? |
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| 00:46.22 | daeos | omg |
| 00:46.23 | Caelum | daeos: /msg dpkg install java |
| 00:46.25 | daeos | it says it is installed |
| 00:46.29 | k-man_ | is it a good idea (or bad idea?) to set the apt preferences for backports to be higher than stable? |
| 00:46.44 | Caelum | k-man_: good idea, if you want backports |
| 00:46.53 | streuner | bad idea |
| 00:47.18 | DaBlade | ./left-handed_templates/floptheme.sh: line 42: identify: command not found <--- Can anyone help me out? |
| 00:47.22 | Asymmetry | I have a question: I am considering two operating systems for my little rinky-dink server. Debian etch, or Ubuntu 6.10. I know that Ubuntu is Debian-based, but I also know that it's getting a little further away from its roots as it goes. Which would you recommend, and why? |
| 00:47.22 | streuner | because it install everything of backports, which makes your system sucks :-) |
| 00:47.24 | k-man_ | Caelum, cool... that sounds esciting |
| 00:47.30 | daeos | hmm |
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| 00:47.41 | daeos | well it seems i do have it installed |
| 00:47.47 | daeos | apt told me it was installed already |
| 00:47.54 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: if you're installing a server, the choice is simple. |
| 00:47.54 | DaBlade | Hello? :) |
| 00:47.54 | streuner | Asymmetry: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:47.59 | k-man_ | Asymmetry, do you have a lot of experience of debian? |
| 00:48.00 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: Of course, this is #debian, so we're probably biased. |
| 00:48.08 | Asymmetry | I'm not looking for a bot answer. I'm looking for a REAL answer, with reasoning. |
| 00:48.34 | Caelum | Asymmetry: ubuntu is easier than debian for a desktop, for a server there is no advantage |
| 00:48.49 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: the bot actually points to real reasons with reasoning. |
| 00:49.04 | abrotman | Asymmetry: you're in #debian .. what did you think we'd suggest ? |
| 00:49.18 | nevyn | Caelum: ubuntu drove me nuts on my laptop |
| 00:49.19 | daeos | Caelum: it said it was installed already when i tried to install that specific package , so i do have it in fact |
| 00:49.21 | Asymmetry | You're all missing the entire point behind the question. I want YOUR reasoning. |
| 00:49.28 | streuner | *cough* windows *cough* |
| 00:49.32 | Asymmetry | Not a bot. Not a website. YOURS. |
| 00:49.32 | k-man_ | Asymmetry, what do you want to use the machine for and what is your experience level |
| 00:49.51 | Caelum | daeos: so that command should work |
| 00:49.52 | peterS | Asymmetry: do you really think you're the first person to ever ask this question? we gave the bot links to our reasoning so we wouldn't have to type it out each time |
| 00:50.19 | Asymmetry | k-man_, I know what I'm doing fairly well, and it'll be running Apache2 with OpenSSL, ProFTPd, MySQL 5, and other little tacky crap. |
| 00:50.30 | Caelum | daeos: oh, that command is in java-common, sorry |
| 00:50.40 | daeos | its alright |
| 00:50.41 | k-man_ | imho, you can't ask which distro is better than another without qualifying many things like your experience and knowledge, what the purpose of the machine is etc.. |
| 00:51.00 | k-man_ | Asymmetry, what distro's have you had experience with? |
| 00:51.04 | Caelum | nevyn: I've been using debian since slink ('96 or so...) so I never even tried that crap :) |
| 00:51.13 | predder | Asymmetry, maybe you should ask in ##linux? obviously everyone in here is going to say debian. |
| 00:51.20 | k-man_ | Caelum, yeah, same here... |
| 00:51.21 | peterS | Caelum: only since slink? n00b (: |
| 00:51.25 | Caelum | :) |
| 00:51.28 | duncf | Asymmetry: debian, because |
| 00:51.33 | k-man_ | imho debian got the formula right and i have been with it ever since |
| 00:51.39 | Asymmetry | k-man_, Ubuntu, Mandriva, Red Hat * since 6 something, Fedora Core (all of them), Gentoo (blech), SUSE. |
| 00:52.06 | k-man_ | Asymmetry, what don't you like about ubuntu? |
| 00:52.09 | streuner | Asymmetry: newbie :-) |
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| 00:52.55 | daeos | Caelum: so what would the sun specific command be |
| 00:52.58 | peterS | hey, nothin' wrong with ubuntu. ...nothin' that upgrading to sid won't fix |
| 00:53.31 | streuner | Asymmetry: you ever install from 10 base and 20 floppies (X) kernel 0,98? :-( |
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| 00:53.56 | Asymmetry | streuner, No. And that has zero to do with my question. Zero to do with anything, come to think of it. |
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| 00:54.13 | k-man_ | the thing that annoyed me about ubuntu is that its default package selection seemed very limited and i had to add all these other apt sources to get the apps i wanted |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | peterS: /msg dpkg sid upgrade |
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| 00:54.19 | keram | hey |
| 00:54.44 | peterS | k-man_: "all the other apt sources" meaning one more apt source for ubuntu universe? |
| 00:55.02 | Asymmetry | peterS, adding universe and multiverse pretty much, yeah. |
| 00:55.06 | k-man_ | i did slackware back in the days of floppies... that was fun when you got to floppy number 15 and it said there was an error reading it |
| 00:55.17 | k-man_ | and you had to go back to uni and rewrite that disk |
| 00:55.36 | k-man_ | petes, ok i might have been exagerating slightly ;) |
| 00:55.38 | k-man_ | hehe |
| 00:55.39 | streuner | hm, i gave up on him, he isnt objective too much... |
| 00:55.41 | dondelelcaro | this is why you did the install at the university with an NFS mirror |
| 00:55.41 | dvs | k-man_: I hear ya |
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| 00:56.08 | k-man_ | dvs, those were the days |
| 00:56.18 | peterS | or since it's just the one floppy, you downloaded it via the university modem bank |
| 00:56.28 | dvs | k-man_: What was the name of that window manager? |
| 00:56.35 | daeos | Caelum: still there? |
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| 00:57.03 | streuner | k-man_: hehe |
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| 00:57.44 | streuner | k-man_: '92 there wasn't many apps. for linux |
| 00:58.14 | devicenull | is there any dns server I can run that will cache results to disk? |
| 00:58.28 | k-man_ | peters, unfortunately (or fortunately) i lived on campus and had no phone... so i had to walk up to uni again |
| 00:58.53 | k-man_ | streuner, i think i started back in about '93 or '94 |
| 00:59.06 | k-man_ | dvs, i used fvwm... you? |
| 00:59.27 | dvs | k-man_: even if you did have a phone, you had to use a modem to download it so how long would that take? |
| 00:59.38 | k-man_ | dvs, yeah... good point... |
| 01:00.07 | dvs | k-man_: I think it was fvwm too. All I can remember are those silly background hash marks and that X for a pointer. |
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| 01:00.25 | abrotman | devicenull: why to disk ? |
| 01:00.44 | k-man_ | dvs, can't remember the pointer |
| 01:01.02 | k-man_ | dvs, but fvwm had nice sort of chissled window decorations iirc |
| 01:01.03 | devicenull | my schools dns servers suck, which explains the caching. The problem is my server machine keeps losing power |
| 01:01.20 | devicenull | and I wont be getting my ups until thanksgiving |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | you don't have to use theirs |
| 01:01.37 | abrotman | you could even setup your own |
| 01:01.53 | Caelum | daeos: that command should work if you have java-common installed |
| 01:01.57 | devicenull | abrotman, I did... |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | so don't use theirs |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | devicenull: NJIT does exist! .. i was there today! |
| 01:02.18 | devicenull | the problem is, when theres are down, and my server looses power. |
| 01:02.30 | devicenull | it seems to not be able to start back up |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | http://www.opennic.unrated.net/public_servers.html |
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| 01:03.13 | streuner | k-man_: the biggest problem was, to configure the videocard, you had about 100 options, nowadays dpkg-reconfigure is luxus :-) |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | devicenull: google "public dns server" |
| 01:03.32 | devicenull | yea, but thats no fun |
| 01:03.43 | k-man_ | streuner, oh yeah... that was fun... all those strange settings for the video card and for the monitor |
| 01:03.55 | k-man_ | and you had to know your monitor's horizontal and vertical refresh rates |
| 01:03.57 | peterS | abrotman: well, his question is about having a persistent DNS cache, for performance reasons. that seems like a reasonable thing to want. |
| 01:03.57 | devicenull | although, shouldn't bind be pulling from this db.root file to initalize? |
| 01:03.58 | k-man_ | that was great! |
| 01:04.09 | streuner | k-man_: ah, you know what iam speaking about :-) |
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| 01:04.09 | abrotman | devicenull: then "apt-cache search cache dns disk |
| 01:04.23 | k-man_ | streuner, i hear you brother :) |
| 01:04.24 | peterS | k-man_: you still have to know your refresh rates if you want to get the best possible resolution and refresh out of a not-brand-new monitor |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | peterS: it would cache them in RAM anyways |
| 01:04.32 | Caelum | are there still people using fvwm2? |
| 01:04.34 | dvs | k-man_: and most monitors weren't multisync back in those days. |
| 01:04.40 | k-man_ | peters, yeah i guess so |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | peterS: which it apparently does .. but his power sucks |
| 01:04.47 | k-man_ | dvs, i think mine was iirc |
| 01:04.49 | peterS | k-man_: I guess some people are happy to settle for 1024x768@60 on an older monitor ... but I'm not (: |
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| 01:04.53 | daeos | Caelum: i still don't know what command to use, since you said it was java-common type command |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | devicenull: find what you need ? |
| 01:04.58 | devicenull | well people just keep knocking the cord out |
| 01:05.06 | jelly | Hi. I've added Section "Extensions" and the relevant option for composite extension to xorg.conf, but xdpyinfo still doesn't show Composite as available. What to do? |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | superglue ? |
| 01:05.08 | devicenull | let me try moving the server to a more hidden place. |
| 01:05.09 | Caelum | daeos: sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-1.5.0-sun |
| 01:05.36 | devicenull | moving it under my bed. |
| 01:05.39 | peterS | k-man_: put it this way, I invented a 1400x1050 modeline a few years ago, before I heard that some laptops use that as standard, as it was the best I could do in 75 Hz or so |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | some people just can't appreciate that i was in newark today! |
| 01:05.47 | devicenull | thatshould help |
| 01:05.56 | dvs | abrotman: We pity you then |
| 01:05.59 | abrotman | !info pdnsd |
| 01:06.06 | dpkg | pdnsd: (Proxy DNS Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.4par-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 245 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | dvs: it smells there .. and it was so god damn rainy |
| 01:06.20 | dvs | abrotman: Sounds like London. |
| 01:06.20 | k-man_ | peters, wow... your dedicated... i never made the effort to understand the modeline black magic |
| 01:06.29 | abrotman | though . it smells because i was on "chemical row" |
| 01:06.39 | dvs | Ewwwwwww |
| 01:06.46 | abrotman | smells like amoxycillan |
| 01:06.47 | iter | chemical row haha |
| 01:07.05 | dvs | iter: That could be anywhere in NJ :-) |
| 01:07.09 | peterS | k-man_: even more fun was figuring out that I could push a Geforce 2 to 144x72 character text mode, but _no further_ |
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| 01:07.12 | iter | the sulfa drugs don't really smell |
| 01:07.26 | daeos | Caelum: update-java-alternatives: command not found |
| 01:07.29 | iter | now brewery row otoh |
| 01:07.34 | iter | nothing like fermentation! |
| 01:07.51 | k-man_ | peters, you must have had a good monitor... mine was shite, so it could never really do more than 1024x768 |
| 01:07.53 | peterS | k-man_: (text mode is limited to how fast the VGA chip can reliably rasterize VGA fonts into bitmaps, so you have to experiment to see what your card can do, it's not _only_ about video timings) |
| 01:07.54 | Caelum | daeos: try /usr/sbin |
| 01:08.07 | skidj | does anyone know how often auth.log updates it self? |
| 01:08.17 | k-man_ | petes, i see |
| 01:08.27 | Caelum | skidj: whenever there's an event |
| 01:08.29 | iter | skidj: every login ? |
| 01:08.39 | daeos | /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives: command not found |
| 01:08.48 | streuner | nah, logrotate |
| 01:08.51 | skidj | iter: Caelum thanks |
| 01:09.15 | Caelum | daeos: apt-get install java-common maybe? are you in sid? |
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| 01:10.28 | daeos | not sid |
| 01:10.33 | daeos | and java-common is installed |
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| 01:12.39 | jelly | peterS: and here I thought no "modern" cards had decent svgatextmodes... |
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| 01:12.53 | daeos | Caelum: im not using sid, and java-common is installed |
| 01:13.00 | Caelum | daeos: oh... check that /etc/alternatives/java is pointing to the right java |
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| 01:13.04 | daeos | ok |
| 01:13.08 | peterS | jelly: well, not in proportion to the advances in graphics modes. and the svgatextmode utility itself hasn't really kept up with chipset support. |
| 01:13.31 | peterS | jelly: but the nvidia chips at least through geforce4 were quite nice for text mode |
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| 01:13.36 | streuner | skidj: man syslog.conf |
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| 01:14.18 | devicenull | there, that should help with the power. |
| 01:14.30 | daeos | Caelum: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4408 |
| 01:14.32 | devicenull | now its not so easy to hit the power button |
| 01:14.53 | Caelum | daeos: uninstall kaffe |
| 01:15.01 | Caelum | daeos: or update the alternatives |
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| 01:15.16 | Caelum | devicenull: you can always just remove the power button :) |
| 01:15.23 | daeos | is kaffe going to be an issue you think? |
| 01:15.28 | Caelum | nope |
| 01:15.36 | Caelum | you need to remove it |
| 01:15.43 | daeos | ok |
| 01:15.51 | daeos | apt-get remove kaffe ? |
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| 01:16.24 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.25 | daeos | right? |
| 01:16.34 | Caelum | yeah |
| 01:16.41 | dfc | anyone having troubles with unstable: sasl and postfix |
| 01:17.00 | daeos | Caelum: now i do that command you told me |
| 01:17.01 | daeos | right? |
| 01:17.04 | george | !bts |
| 01:17.05 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:17.06 | dfc | it just started today after an apt-get. it was working but now postfix fails to auth but courier still does |
| 01:17.51 | Caelum | daeos: now check ls -l /etc/alternatives/java, make sure it's the sun one |
| 01:17.54 | peterS | dfc: I think you'd better specify whether it's client-side or server-side auth that is failing |
| 01:18.52 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 01:18.55 | daeos | grr |
| 01:19.01 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4410 |
| 01:19.02 | dfc | peterS: it is server side (aka when clients try to auth before sending mail) |
| 01:19.14 | george | dfc: plus check that thing... what's it called... you know, the thing that houses problem reports with debian packages... |
| 01:19.23 | dfc | george: i did |
| 01:19.33 | dfc | george: i would not be here if i did not |
| 01:19.43 | dfc | george: do you know of an open bug ? |
| 01:20.12 | peterS | dfc: oh ok - I only use postfix auth client-side (i.e., to send mail to a smarthost) so I wouldn't have noticed your problem |
| 01:20.12 | daeos | so that is my location i use |
| 01:20.12 | Caelum | daeos: that's right, now try running your app again |
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| 01:20.59 | devicenull | Caelum, rather then removing the button, I moved it two feet, so its under my bed |
| 01:21.01 | george | maybe you're the first one on the scene (very typical of unstable, is for someone to be the first ever to find some particular problem...) do you want to find and try fixing the problem? |
| 01:21.48 | Caelum | devicenull: heh, if you can sleep with the hum under you |
| 01:21.52 | dfc | george: sasl is a mess to debug:) |
| 01:21.55 | daeos | Caelum: THANK YOU!!! |
| 01:21.55 | george | I'm assuming that is why you run unstable; there's no other sane reason |
| 01:21.59 | Caelum | daeos: np :) |
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| 01:22.36 | Caelum | interesting, fvwm2.5 is scriptable in Perl |
| 01:23.12 | devicenull | well, before it was a foot below my head |
| 01:23.20 | devicenull | now at least the bed will muffle the sound |
| 01:23.28 | dvs | Caelum: probably not. They're all letters |
| 01:23.34 | devicenull | and it was lighting up the room |
| 01:23.39 | devicenull | damn fan controller |
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| 01:24.09 | sanmarcos | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/886.gif haha |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | devicenull: pdnsd ? |
| 01:24.27 | devicenull | I went with bind |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:24.39 | devicenull | since i dont need disk caching if noone is hitting the power button |
| 01:24.45 | sanmarcos | the abrotman! |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 01:25.19 | sanmarcos | I know it emabarrases you when people cheer your name, but I still love you |
| 01:25.48 | george | oh, I get it, like The Donald :) |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | you forgot the </sarcasm> |
| 01:27.35 | sanmarcos | right, else I wont validate |
| 01:28.22 | daeos | Caelum: thanks, now i can run the multiverse server |
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| 01:31.55 | daeos | how can i see what ports are open ? |
| 01:32.07 | brick | daeos, try nmap |
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| 01:32.48 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 01:32.48 | dpkg | somebody said open ports was # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
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| 01:33.58 | streuner | abrotman: greycat's factoid about was better :-) |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | i didn't change it |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | ~open ports |
| 01:34.15 | apt | [open ports] netstat -plunt, or apt-get install nmap; nmap localhost, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 01:34.23 | streuner | hm, maybe different factoid |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | maybe |
| 01:34.37 | daeos | abrotman: thanks netstat works |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 01:35.10 | streuner | hm |
| 01:35.19 | streuner | !factinfo open ports |
| 01:35.19 | dpkg | open ports -- last modified at Tue Jul 25 17:52:02 2006 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 13 times, last by abrotman, 2m 31s ago. |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | i added the fuser -n tcp part |
| 01:35.42 | daeos | need to know, since i need to see if the server did open them |
| 01:35.46 | daeos | seems like it didn't |
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| 01:38.23 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 01:38.23 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
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| 01:39.15 | sanmarcos | it is neutral for he or she? |
| 01:39.21 | peterS | hey, I got a bug report from greycat the other day |
| 01:39.28 | sanmarcos | congratulations |
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| 01:39.34 | streuner | peterS: URL? |
| 01:39.35 | peterS | he was seriously pissed off, too, his apache2 config was completely hosed |
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| 01:40.25 | sanmarcos | insults? |
| 01:40.28 | peterS | streuner: #397338 |
| 01:40.33 | sanmarcos | what, greycat doesnt keep backups |
| 01:40.39 | streuner | !dbugs 397338 |
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| 01:40.42 | dpkg | #397338:N[apache2.2-common] apache2.2-common: 2.0->2.2 upgrade fails with custom jk module; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:18:10 UTC |
| 01:40.46 | sanmarcos | !bug 397338 |
| 01:40.46 | dpkg | bug 397338 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397338 |
| 01:40.49 | abrotman | peterS: did you tell him to RTFM ? |
| 01:41.03 | streuner | haha |
| 01:41.19 | peterS | sanmarcos: well, he didn't seem mad at _us_, but he was clearly frustrated at all the effort he'd gone to fix his system |
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| 01:41.32 | streuner | abrotman: you're funny today :-) |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:41.47 | odla1 | maybe he's happy about the election? |
| 01:41.56 | peterS | abrotman: maybe I should have pointed him to the #debian FAQ he wrote? |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:42.51 | abrotman | peterS: you could have responded with the !root factoid ;) |
| 01:43.14 | peterS | abrotman: you're so right. why didn't I think of that? |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | peterS: you were just shocked ? |
| 01:43.28 | peterS | abrotman: well, by the time he identified himself, it was kind of too late to make fun of him |
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| 01:46.27 | streuner | hm, some people have deep respect or they just afraid of him |
| 01:46.33 | odla1 | libc6-amd64? should i be getting this with an i686? |
| 01:46.45 | dvs | odla1: no |
| 01:46.54 | odla1 | dvs: it was installed by default :/ |
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| 01:47.22 | abrotman | peterS: you could ask him why he doesn't keep /etc/ in RCS :) |
| 01:47.22 | peterS | odla1: if you don't have a 64-bit processor, you can remove libc6-amd64 with no ill effects |
| 01:47.33 | powergoal | can someone help me with wpa_suplicant? |
| 01:47.34 | odla1 | peterS: ok...thanks |
| 01:47.50 | peterS | abrotman: then he'll just reveal that he does keep /etc in subversion and IT BROKE TOO and then he'll really blame me |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 01:48.33 | peterS | abrotman: true, we really do need to buckle down and get a handle on the many upgrade configuration issues people have been helpfully reporting |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | peterS: is the module interface totally different .. is that the issue ? |
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| 01:49.28 | peterS | abrotman: yes and no. the binary module interface is different, meaning you have to recompile all your modules. the source interface isn't _very_ different, so most modules will work fine after a recompile. _authentication/authorization_ modules, however, need to be updated |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | but they do need to be recompiled .. |
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| 01:49.51 | abrotman | which is why php etc don't work .. and his mod_jk etc |
| 01:50.06 | peterS | correct, they need to be recompiled |
| 01:50.18 | peterS | the good news is, one thing you get with the recompile is support for 2GB+ files |
| 01:50.55 | peterS | this is why apache2-common was renamed to apache2.2-common, btw: so that old modules (who _should_ all depend on apache2-common, though not all of them did) will not be installable until they're rebuilt |
| 01:52.10 | streuner | abrotman: you should read the whole bug-report |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | i did |
| 01:52.48 | abrotman | streuner: what does that have to do with pancakes in kansas ? |
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| 01:53.17 | Caelum | I wonder if anyone has done a poll on how many people just always use unstable versus those who actually give a fuck about releases :) |
| 01:53.50 | peterS | Caelum: I think you'll find that most people run stable. those people rarely show up on support forums so it's easy to underestimate how many there are |
| 01:54.02 | streuner | Caelum: /msg dpkg sid faq :-) |
| 01:54.02 | Caelum | heh, good point |
| 01:54.26 | Caelum | I've seen plenty of people here who even use unstable for production servers |
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| 01:54.50 | streuner | they are just crazy |
| 01:55.21 | streuner | Who wants use unstable for production server, somebody who have too much time...? |
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| 01:55.33 | peterS | someone who doesn't have much production |
| 01:55.43 | streuner | or that :-) |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | someone who wants to make a "production" out of production ? |
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| 01:57.24 | streuner | there are a few people around, who have knowledge and knows what they doing, but they are rare |
| 01:57.48 | Ronin | someone who likes downtime? |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | i'd be more concerned about MIA DDs that don't upload packages with security issues .. instead of having the security team do it .. i guess |
| 01:58.23 | streuner | Who likes downtime? |
| 01:58.32 | abrotman | depends what she looks like |
| 01:58.56 | Ronin | and how good she is |
| 01:59.58 | loguan | i run a dual-os desktop. Under MS, i can connect to wlan. Under debian, i get: "received packet failed on eth0: network is down". I did a 'ifconfig eth0 up' before dhclient and i can see the xmit signal with gkrellm. what could be wrong? |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | what're you doing ? |
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| 02:02.18 | loguan | there is definitely no received signal. i am using a Belkin card with rt2500 driver. anyone has this set-up? |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | isn't that an m-a package ? |
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| 02:03.02 | abrotman | peterS: can you change the reporter of the bug? |
| 02:03.12 | loguan | abrotman: yeh, i get the driver by 'm-a rt2500-source'. |
| 02:03.18 | peterS | abrotman: I think 'reporter' and 'owner' are the same thing so yeah |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | i guess greycat could chnage it too |
| 02:03.55 | peterS | To: control@bugs.debian.org owner 123456 abortman@#debian |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | abortman!! woohoo |
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| 02:04.40 | peterS | yeah, I always try to make you feel special, like I didn't just tab-complete you |
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| 02:04.54 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:05.15 | peterS | do the bortman |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 02:05.21 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:05.30 | george | with natalie portman? |
| 02:05.46 | peterS | only if you're a shortman |
| 02:05.50 | loguan | yout two f each other frequently too? |
| 02:05.56 | Ronin | that works for me george |
| 02:06.29 | george | loguan: oh yeah, she comes over for me every day! |
| 02:06.32 | loguan | stop uisng this channel to go gay with each other. |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | !tell loguan about gay |
| 02:06.52 | peterS | feelin left out? |
| 02:07.15 | loguan | not with you. :D |
| 02:07.15 | george | yeah, he's a little jealous that he's not getting enough attention |
| 02:07.41 | george | not my problem; seek help elsewhere |
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| 02:08.11 | peterS | and may you find what you seek, mon p'tit chatzilla |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | at least he had a debian question ? |
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| 02:09.11 | abrotman | why does "Sweet Little Sixteen" sound like .. a beachboys(?) song ? |
| 02:09.24 | george | and didn't want to stay to resolve it... I guess the truth was too much for him to bear |
| 02:10.06 | george | abrotman: the song or the title? |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | the song is called sweet little sixteen |
| 02:11.08 | asg | tuv: yet, you are still here |
| 02:11.22 | tuv | asg, yup |
| 02:11.40 | tuv | asg, haven't lost hope yet |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | tuv: you could go help in #ubuntu too :) |
| 02:11.49 | abrotman | or on OFTC |
| 02:12.12 | tuv | abrotman, or better yet, i can do something useful in the meantime, until things get interesting again |
| 02:12.38 | tuv | abrotman, i'm not having a problem spending my time. i was just making a point |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | tuv: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 02:14.49 | tuv | abrotman, ? |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | fix bugs! |
| 02:15.57 | tuv | abrotman, oh that's sweet, but i don't have that much free time |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | tuv: get rid of the g/f |
| 02:16.34 | tuv | abrotman, too late. it's a wife and two kids :) |
| 02:16.47 | widrone | abrotman: Oh, thats a nice "little" list. Thanks... |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | whoa .. dont' tell the wife about the g/f |
| 02:17.02 | peterS | abrotman: ha |
| 02:17.05 | asg | abrotman: she might be into it, you never know |
| 02:17.11 | tuv | abrotman, man you're generous |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | me? .. you're the sugardaddy |
| 02:17.45 | george | fix bugs, fix bugs, everyone fix bugs... (repeat/fade) |
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| 02:18.02 | george | I Am The Brotman |
| 02:18.21 | asg | s/Brotman/Lobster/ |
| 02:18.31 | dondelelcaro | but are you the walrus? |
| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | (or the egg man?) |
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| 02:18.47 | george | hmm, I could be hungry for shrimp now :) |
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| 02:19.04 | asg | goo goo gajoob |
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| 02:20.55 | asg | george: make sure to pipe them through chef(6) first |
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| 02:21.27 | george | good suggestion :) |
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| 02:24.25 | asg | george: bork bork boyee .-..-..? |
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| 02:35.25 | psychonate | hmm, Gaim 2.x looks rather ugly to me |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | so don't use it ? |
| 02:36.00 | psychonate | abrotman: I see you're very conversational. |
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| 02:36.27 | abrotman | psychonate: eh? |
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| 02:37.30 | dan2 | abrotman: you should checkout the h.264 video phone I got today |
| 02:37.36 | dan2 | abrotman: same quality of video as video iPod |
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| 02:37.50 | abrotman | does it make pancakes ? |
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| 02:37.56 | dan2 | not yet, no |
| 02:38.22 | dan2 | asg! |
| 02:38.32 | asg | hiya |
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| 02:41.01 | dan2 | asg: you need a video phone |
| 02:41.21 | dan2 | asg: I had this idea earlier that everybody could do a karaoke night with video phones and some decent video conferencing software |
| 02:41.26 | asg | dan2: 1) I hate phones. 2) given #1, why the hell would I want video on it? |
| 02:41.30 | dan2 | asg: wouldn't that be funny as hell |
| 02:41.54 | dan2 | asg: what's wrong with phones? |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | worse than email .. jeez |
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| 02:42.27 | asg | dan2: I'm forced to give people my undivided attention on my time. |
| 02:42.28 | george | asg: well, you'd get all -.-. --.- -.. . etc |
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| 02:42.57 | asg | george: yeah, I've been trying to get an umlaut on '-' for a few minutes now with no success. |
| 02:42.58 | dan2 | asg: that's what work is for |
| 02:43.08 | dan2 | asg: you do phone calls at work, and it's no longer your time expenditures |
| 02:43.09 | dan2 | ;) |
| 02:43.55 | george | dan2: the latency would kill any reasonable attempt to lock into the groove... but ninjam has an interesting solution to that |
| 02:44.13 | dan2 | huh? |
| 02:44.30 | widrone | lipsync is overrated anyhow, just look to italian movies |
| 02:44.55 | george | lipdesync |
| 02:45.09 | widrone | But then again 4 ppl screaming into a phone doing karaoke could just get worse with pictures of their faces. |
| 02:45.23 | george | well depends :) |
| 02:45.26 | dan2 | george: I'm an expert voice engineer |
| 02:45.38 | dan2 | george: what you do is calculate the latency and adjust for an offset |
| 02:45.51 | sanmarcos | is it bad that sensors reports -12V as -14.84, and -5V as -9.34V ? |
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| 02:46.07 | george | you still need to hear the rhythm section and if they're live players, they you |
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| 02:46.15 | jelly | sanmarcos: if it's true, yes. |
| 02:46.25 | sanmarcos | jelly: how bad? |
| 02:46.28 | asg | sanmarcos: I would expect that that depends on what your sensors are supposed to be sensing |
| 02:46.40 | dan2 | george: I designed an application that has a self adjusting tester to calculate real time latency |
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| 02:47.10 | sanmarcos | bah, nothing is going to happen |
| 02:47.12 | jelly | sanmarcos: I'd bet the sensors are just wrong. Try looking at the numbers in bios (if your bios has sensor readings) |
| 02:47.16 | george | sanmarcos: bad to the point you're physically damaging most of the chips of your motherboard... IF it's true, which isn't all that likely |
| 02:47.17 | dan2 | george: the key is to sync the audio of the music to you, and you to the server and then sync it again at the server before restreaming it out |
| 02:47.18 | sanmarcos | like that apic error on cpu0 |
| 02:49.21 | george | dan2: syncing you to the server is just adjusting when you play notes |
| 02:49.41 | george | or is that what you mean? |
| 02:49.51 | dan2 | like this |
| 02:50.00 | dan2 | <----- Music to you |
| 02:50.07 | dan2 | --> You to server |
| 02:50.34 | dan2 | delay music outbound to destinations offset music to you times 2 |
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| 02:50.46 | george | ninjam has a musically interesting (but weird) solution |
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| 02:50.55 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 02:51.04 | george | well right, I think that is what they do |
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| 02:51.30 | george | there is also a chatroom, and people in there can vote to alter the offset |
| 02:52.05 | dan2 | george: I use statistical analysis and the RTCP reports to adjust |
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| 02:52.32 | george | so does that mean the offset changes as the song is played? |
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| 02:52.58 | george | I'm sorry, but that is going to be very hard for a live player to sync to :) |
| 02:53.06 | george | also you need a click track |
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| 02:57.25 | abrotman | psycodad: shouldn't your name be darthvader .. instead of obiwan ? |
| 02:59.41 | Xenguy | .oO(jedi mind tricks) |
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| 03:04.29 | sekelsenmat | hello |
| 03:04.36 | sekelsenmat | how can I configure my network on debian? |
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| 03:04.51 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 03:04.51 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 03:06.05 | sekelsenmat | is there a tool that edits the file for me? |
| 03:06.19 | sekelsenmat | I mean, does debian come with a text-mode or gui tool to configure things? |
| 03:06.20 | n3kl | Hi |
| 03:06.21 | sekelsenmat | like on the installer |
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| 03:07.35 | abrotman | ethtool |
| 03:07.50 | n3kl | Can someone tell me why my full backup is running every day? |
| 03:07.59 | n3kl | crontab entry : 00 0 1-7 * 0 /root/bin/full-backup.sh |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | this is a bad thing ? |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | what days do you wan it to run ? |
| 03:08.30 | n3kl | the first Sunday of every month |
| 03:08.40 | sekelsenmat | thanks, I´ll try that |
| 03:09.38 | abrotman | what is the first 00 ? |
| 03:09.44 | abrotman | dunno if 00 works |
| 03:09.45 | dvs | abrotman: minutes |
| 03:09.47 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the DOW and DOM fields are either; not both. |
| 03:09.50 | abrotman | i know it's minutes |
| 03:10.13 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: oh, I see now |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | see .. i don't know ... |
| 03:10.35 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: you want something like 00 0 * * 0 [ $(date +%d) -lt 7 ] && ... |
| 03:10.51 | dondelelcaro | well, -lt 8 |
| 03:11.13 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: you can put conditionals in crontab ? |
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| 03:12.06 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the crontab line is executed in a shell, so yes. |
| 03:12.14 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: btw, the % will have to be escaped, too. |
| 03:12.21 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: ah, ok. Thanks, that helps a bunch |
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| 03:12.30 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: man 5 crontab; for the full details |
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| 03:13.00 | n3kl | cool, thanks again |
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| 03:18.50 | Sekelsenmat | hello, editing /etc/network/interfaces didn't work |
| 03:18.55 | Sekelsenmat | all configurations seam right |
| 03:19.05 | dvs | Sekelsenmat: then paste it |
| 03:19.09 | Sekelsenmat | when I do ifconfig I only see the loopback interface |
| 03:19.10 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:19.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:19.27 | rgsteele_home | Sekelsenmat: Did you do an ifup? |
| 03:19.35 | Sekelsenmat | yes |
| 03:19.47 | dvs | Sekelsenmat: did you load the kernel module? |
| 03:20.54 | Sekelsenmat | I don't know |
| 03:21.02 | Sekelsenmat | but network worked yesterday |
| 03:21.18 | Sekelsenmat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 03:21.20 | Sekelsenmat | here it is |
| 03:21.25 | dvs | Sekelsenmat: nope try again |
| 03:21.53 | Sekelsenmat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4413 |
| 03:21.55 | Sekelsenmat | sorry |
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| 03:22.27 | Sekelsenmat | someone said about ethtool, but it isn't installed (and I can't install it without network) |
| 03:22.40 | dvs | Sekelsenmat: how can your broadcast and gateway be the same address? |
| 03:22.55 | Sekelsenmat | i changed the broadcast from 172.26.0.255 |
| 03:23.00 | Sekelsenmat | just to test new configs |
| 03:23.19 | Sekelsenmat | doesn't work with 255 too |
| 03:23.42 | CompWizrd | does allow-hotplug eth0 do anything like auto eth0? |
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| 03:23.54 | eldowan | CompWizrd: I don't think so |
| 03:24.25 | zinx | CompWizrd: you might try something like ifplugd |
| 03:24.25 | eldowan | Sekelsenmat: Your'e in a regular class C network block. Have you tried it with the network and broadcast lines commented out? |
| 03:24.29 | grendal_prime | this is pissing me off so much |
| 03:24.30 | grendal_prime | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
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| 03:24.35 | grendal_prime | even for unstable |
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| 03:24.46 | CompWizrd | zinx: not me, him! |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 03:24.48 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is probably "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 03:25.03 | zinx | CompWizrd: oops? :D |
| 03:25.19 | Sekelsenmat | I'll try commenting the lines |
| 03:25.33 | Sekelsenmat | need to reboot to test |
| 03:25.48 | neotek_ | does anybody know about debian for sparc? |
| 03:25.59 | neotek_ | i'm having some issues with a blade 1000 and the 2.4.33.3 kernel |
| 03:26.01 | grendal_prime | ive tried all that abrotman |
| 03:26.11 | eldowan | sekelsenmat shouldn't have to reboot to change the interfaces file, or am I mistaken? |
| 03:26.15 | abrotman | make it BIGGER! |
| 03:26.19 | dvs | eldowan: he's gone |
| 03:26.20 | grendal_prime | ive got some rediculas size in there |
| 03:26.27 | abrotman | let's see |
| 03:26.29 | eldowan | dvs: I know, I'm just wondering |
| 03:26.42 | dvs | eldowan: oh, I thought you wanted to type to him |
| 03:26.50 | pinky | So I've got the newest Nvidia beta drivers (1.0-9742) and X.Org 7.1, now where can I get precompiled Beryl Debian packages if not from the official Debian repo? |
| 03:27.02 | eldowan | dvs: nah. but a reboot shouldn't be needed, correct? |
| 03:27.06 | grendal_prime | APT::Cache-Limit 20000000; |
| 03:27.08 | dvs | eldowan: right |
| 03:27.08 | odla1 | pinky: google for it? |
| 03:27.58 | abrotman | grendal_prime: BIGGER! |
| 03:28.26 | neotek_ | can anybody help me with an issue pertaining to /dev/sda devices in sparc debian or is there somewhere else that I should go? |
| 03:28.45 | oOGneaOo | !spark |
| 03:28.46 | abrotman | you can try here |
| 03:28.47 | oOGneaOo | !sparc |
| 03:28.47 | dpkg | well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 03:28.48 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 03:28.48 | grendal_prime | 1000000000 |
| 03:28.52 | grendal_prime | still a problem |
| 03:29.07 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: you should try #debian-sparc, but you can ask here as well |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | grendal_prime: wtf are you trying to do ? |
| 03:29.43 | grendal_prime | just add one repository...untable |
| 03:29.46 | grendal_prime | unstable |
| 03:29.46 | neotek_ | I have a kernel that boots and one that doesn't, on the one that doesn't - it's having a problem with /dev/sd* devices |
| 03:29.47 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: you're best bet is to simply state the problem instead of asking if you can ask |
| 03:29.52 | neotek_ | i've got dmesg's from both of them |
| 03:30.02 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: pastebin? |
| 03:30.03 | neotek_ | the sda devices in question are fibre channel hard drives |
| 03:30.16 | neotek_ | let me upload them, one sec |
| 03:31.18 | abrotman | selfcompiled kernel ? |
| 03:31.34 | neotek_ | yes |
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| 03:31.46 | abrotman | why ? |
| 03:31.48 | oOGneaOo | that's probably part of the problem |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | what was wrong with the working kernel ? |
| 03:32.02 | neotek_ | i need grsec on the kernel |
| 03:32.16 | oOGneaOo | i've never been able to get a sparc kernel to boot right, yet |
| 03:32.20 | neotek_ | that's what's running on my other servers |
| 03:32.23 | oOGneaOo | from compiling it, that is |
| 03:32.26 | neotek_ | i've got a sparc kernel working on my ultra 10 |
| 03:32.42 | oOGneaOo | well, it's been a long time since i messed with it :) |
| 03:32.55 | oOGneaOo | i might try again soon if i can find the time and motivation |
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| 03:33.37 | odla1 | is iceape going to replace mozilla in debian? |
| 03:33.39 | neotek_ | http://hosaka.neo-revelation.org/~neotek/sparc/ |
| 03:33.48 | neotek_ | the dmesg.txt is the from the working kernel |
| 03:33.56 | neotek_ | and the dmesg_problem.txt is the non working kernel |
| 03:33.58 | abrotman | odla1: wtf |
| 03:34.07 | dvs | iceweasel? |
| 03:34.12 | odla1 | no iceape |
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| 03:34.42 | odla1 | iceape is the mozilla suite |
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| 03:35.38 | dvs | I thought mozilla was dead and seamonkey is the replacement |
| 03:35.44 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: i don't see the problem, it found you disks just fine |
| 03:35.46 | neotek_ | biggest issues i see is that the working one loads VFS while the non working one loads Journalled Block Device |
| 03:35.50 | neotek_ | yea, it finds them |
| 03:36.01 | neotek_ | but it doesn't create /dev/sd* devices |
| 03:36.04 | odla1 | dvs: yeah...iceape would be seamonkey...but seamonkey is just mozilla |
| 03:36.05 | oOGneaOo | oh ok |
| 03:36.11 | neotek_ | so /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc don't exist |
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| 03:36.17 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 03:36.20 | neotek_ | and EXT3-fs freaks out |
| 03:36.31 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: what kernel.config is that for? 2.4.33 or 2.4.27? |
| 03:36.38 | neotek_ | 2.4.33 |
| 03:36.40 | abrotman | neotek_: did you start from a working config ? |
| 03:36.57 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: ok, can you paste the 2.4.27 config - and why aren't you using 2.6? |
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| 03:37.11 | odla1 | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mozilla-maintainers/2006-October/000576.html |
| 03:37.15 | neotek_ | i did my own config, with research on the devices |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | odla1: i think ti's called gnuzilla |
| 03:37.31 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: er, s/paste/post/g |
| 03:37.33 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 03:37.33 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 03:37.47 | odla1 | abrotman: see my paste |
| 03:37.55 | abrotman | i am! |
| 03:38.25 | odla1 | click my paste! |
| 03:38.33 | oOGneaOo | lol |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | lick my paste? |
| 03:38.42 | abrotman | gnu calls it gnuzilla |
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| 03:38.56 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:38.59 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: it's all the same thing dog |
| 03:39.00 | odla1 | who cares about gnu? |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | ---> |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: wtf did you just call me ? |
| 03:39.14 | odla1 | abrotdog |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | adogman ? |
| 03:39.19 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: dogs lick their paste ;) |
| 03:39.30 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: no .. that's their crotch |
| 03:39.37 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: difference? ;) |
| 03:39.50 | neotek_ | what's responsible for making the /dev/sd* devices? |
| 03:40.01 | abrotman | http://cbs3.com/local/local_story_312184913.html |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | that's horrible .. |
| 03:40.09 | abrotman | doh .. wrong chan |
| 03:40.19 | jstevens | I installed linux-image-2.6.17-2-686. GRUB come up happpy, however when it tries to boot I get a "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x8e". My root filesystem is under LVM. Thoughts on repairing this? |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | *look* before pasting! |
| 03:40.33 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: i have no idea. with 2.6, it's usually udev, but you can use a static /dev too |
| 03:40.55 | odla1 | edmonton has the highest murder rate in canada |
| 03:41.01 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: anyway, i don't see a 2.4.27 config up there so i can't really help you anymore |
| 03:41.06 | odla1 | on a related -offtopic note |
| 03:41.17 | neotek_ | i didn't make the 2.4.27 kernel, it came with debian :( |
| 03:41.25 | dvs | odla1: What? It isn't Keswick anymore? |
| 03:41.36 | odla1 | dvs: i heard it on the cbc today |
| 03:41.44 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: you can still get and post the config, since it comes with debian. usually it's in /boot/config-2.4.27 or some such |
| 03:41.53 | neotek_ | ah, one sec |
| 03:42.09 | dvs | odla1: Why? Oil? |
| 03:42.11 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:42.12 | abrotman | odla1: 3 ? |
| 03:42.13 | eldowan | jstevens: look at the first line in the grub config. What is the hd(?,?) line? I just installed and had to change hd(1,0) to hd(0,0) |
| 03:42.16 | odla1 | abrotman: 44 |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | dude .. that's it?! |
| 03:42.28 | odla1 | i guess |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | philly is up to like .. 350 this year already |
| 03:42.38 | odla1 | canadians don't like to kill each other like americans |
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| 03:42.53 | dvs | abrotman: Toronto is up to about 50-something |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | odla1: that's because you have to drive 50 miles to find anyone to kill |
| 03:42.59 | dvs | heh |
| 03:43.04 | jstevens | eldowan: Ha! You might be right. I'll give that a try. |
| 03:43.14 | eldowan | jstevens: Hey, it worked for me. |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | dvs: maybe they just kill navy guys when they get shore leave? :) |
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| 03:43.47 | dvs | abrotman: No problem here. Both of our boats are out to sea! |
| 03:43.57 | neotek_ | oOGneaOo: i updated it http://hosaka.neo-revelation.org/~neotek/sparc/ |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | dvs: yeah .. i've heard that |
| 03:44.05 | jstevens | eldowan: Yep, it worked! |
| 03:44.43 | eldowan | jstevens: FYI: each time you upgrade your kernel, or grub automatically changes the menu.list file, you will have to re edit it correctly... |
| 03:45.12 | dvs | jstevens: are you trying to add a special option? |
| 03:45.17 | jstevens | eldowan: That's really odd. The postinstall script for the kernel package must be bunged up. |
| 03:45.19 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: ok, gonna ask a bunch of questions... |
| 03:45.25 | odla1 | canada's not landlocked? |
| 03:45.31 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: why did you build i2c into the kernel? |
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| 03:45.48 | neotek_ | 2.4.33.3 right? |
| 03:45.50 | eldowan | dvs: I think he just did a linux-image install and grub bungled up. The same happened to me last night from a net install. |
| 03:45.53 | oOGneaOo | yeah |
| 03:46.09 | neotek_ | shouldn't have had general i2c support |
| 03:46.22 | oOGneaOo | why? |
| 03:46.23 | jstevens | No special options. Just installed the kernel package, it built a ramdisk, ran grub install, and apparently didn't configure grub correctly. |
| 03:46.24 | neotek_ | i think it has ultrasparc III bootbus as a module |
| 03:46.44 | oOGneaOo | also, you halved the amount of ram size - why? |
| 03:46.54 | jstevens | That is the package ran grub-install -- or whatever grub tool it uses to update the GRUB config. |
| 03:46.58 | eldowan | dvs: for whatever reason grub is currently pointing to the wrong hd(?,?) in my case grub pointed to hd(1,0) when hd(0,0) is needed. |
| 03:47.00 | neotek_ | that was from make def or whatever |
| 03:47.10 | neotek_ | where it makes a sparc defaults config file |
| 03:47.10 | oOGneaOo | i see |
| 03:47.23 | neotek_ | i didn't know about that 2.4.27 config file, i should probably base it off of that |
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| 03:47.38 | dvs | eldowan: it changed by itself or was it wrong in the first place? |
| 03:47.41 | neotek_ | do you see the problem or should i just retry it using that file? |
| 03:47.59 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: yeah - here try this: get a clean 2.4.33 tree and drop the config-2.4.27 into it as .config then run make oldconfig and answer new questions |
| 03:48.02 | jstevens | The really odd thing is that the kernel upgrade also changed the grub configuration for my *previous* kernels as well. That's really darn odd. |
| 03:48.08 | eldowan | dvs: In my case it was wrong after a fresh install. I had to change it manually to get to the latter part of the install provess |
| 03:48.17 | neotek_ | ok, thanks guys |
| 03:48.28 | neotek_ | oOGneaOo: I'll be back if it doesn't work |
| 03:48.36 | oOGneaOo | neotek_: ok, i may or may not be here |
| 03:48.47 | eldowan | jstevens: I'm not sure, but I would imagine whatever script runs for the grub creation is borked. |
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| 03:49.03 | eldowan | s/provess/process/ |
| 03:49.43 | odla1 | gnome-desktop-environment is a meta-package? |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:49.47 | jstevens | eldowan: yeah, that would likely be the package postinstall script. Might go delve into it and see if I can find out why it's messing up. |
| 03:49.49 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 03:49.49 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 03:50.05 | felippe | hello |
| 03:50.05 | odla1 | abrotman: that's a yes...thanks |
| 03:50.19 | sekelsenmat | still doesn´t work the network |
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| 03:50.22 | riot | hi |
| 03:50.27 | sekelsenmat | I think network module isn´t loaded |
| 03:50.30 | riot | how do i disable a kernel module permanently?? |
| 03:50.31 | sekelsenmat | how can I load it? |
| 03:50.32 | eldowan | jstevens: Ahh what a wonderful bit-o-information. |
| 03:50.46 | dvs | riot: blacklist it |
| 03:50.57 | riot | dvs: where can i do that? |
| 03:51.03 | Supaplex | after I configure vlan-interfaces, what's required to pull them up? I've tried to restart networking, but that made no new interfaces. I have the 8021q module loaded and the lvan package installed. I'm using a modern e100 card. |
| 03:51.13 | jstevens | eldowan: Thanks a bunch for that tip off. I was just taking for granted that the hd config would be correct. Thanks again! |
| 03:51.18 | dvs | !blacklist |
| 03:51.18 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 03:51.33 | riot | aah.. thanks, i was already opening a query to dpkg ;) |
| 03:51.50 | dvs | sekelsenmat: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 03:52.10 | eldowan | jstevens: No problem at all. I have got into the habit of editing the kernel line after a fresh install to append vga=795 and noticed that grub didn't work. Then I noticed the 1 and gave 0 a shot. In this case I guess 0 > 1 |
| 03:52.27 | Supaplex | does ifup interface with /etc/networking/vlan-interfaces automagically like it does interfaces? |
| 03:52.31 | sekelsenmat | lspci command not found |
| 03:52.45 | eldowan | sekelsenmat: did you run it as root? |
| 03:52.46 | Supaplex | install it sekelsenmat :) |
| 03:52.57 | dvs | eldowan: you don't need to run it as root |
| 03:53.00 | sekelsenmat | I can´t, don´t have network =/ |
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| 03:53.15 | eldowan | sekelsenmat: sneakernet |
| 03:53.15 | dvs | You don't need a network either |
| 03:53.39 | dvs | oh? it's on a different machine? |
| 03:54.29 | sekelsenmat | yes, I ran as root |
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| 03:56.19 | riot | lspci belongs to pciutils... not having these installed sounds weird to me. |
| 03:56.19 | sanmarcos | how many packages does debian have? |
| 03:56.27 | sanmarcos | in total |
| 03:56.34 | riot | sanmarcos: very many. 17000+ |
| 03:56.47 | sanmarcos | riot: any other distro have more? |
| 03:56.52 | neotek_ | after you run make oldconfig, can you run make menuconfig to change things? |
| 03:56.54 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 03:57.05 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 19383 packages, 1751 maintainers, 44748 MB installed size, 14864 MB compressed size. |
| 03:57.12 | riot | oh, wow. |
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| 03:57.40 | riot | sanmarcos: yes. |
| 03:57.41 | sekelsenmat | argg, I accidently hit the shutdown button on the keyboard |
| 03:57.47 | sekelsenmat | just who invented that??? |
| 03:58.06 | sekelsenmat | ok, what else can I do to configure the network that doesn´t involve installing packages? |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | i doubt any other distro has more |
| 03:58.16 | riot | sekelsenmat: someone paid by a microsoft-industry. |
| 03:58.35 | nevyn | sekelsenmat: what sort of network. |
| 03:58.37 | sanmarcos | sekelsenmat: a son of a bitch. I hit it all the time |
| 03:58.38 | eldowan | sanmarcos: depends on what you mean by total. etch, sid, woody, sarge, potato, slink.... each arcitecture... |
| 03:58.39 | sekelsenmat | ethernet |
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| 03:58.46 | riot | abrotman: i read some stats.. a distro (unspeaken of, here) has more. But they cheat about 19383 packages.. |
| 03:58.50 | sekelsenmat | fixed ip |
| 03:58.57 | abrotman | riot: which ? |
| 03:58.59 | sanmarcos | is there a way to disable the Shutdown. sleep etc buttons on the kbd? I tried taking the butons out, but couldnt |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | which distor i mean |
| 03:59.06 | nevyn | sekelsenmat: ifconfig -a ? |
| 03:59.16 | nevyn | sekelsenmat: does ifconfig -a list an ethernet device? |
| 03:59.18 | dondelelcaro | !dstats |
| 03:59.27 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 19383 packages, 1751 maintainers, 44748 MB installed size, 14864 MB compressed size. |
| 03:59.37 | riot | abrotman: a list (some months old, (where i read that 17000+ figure)) told me, ubuntu has all the debian packages plus a few more. |
| 03:59.38 | sekelsenmat | shows only loopback interface |
| 03:59.47 | sekelsenmat | sanmarcos on linux or windows? |
| 03:59.57 | riot | ..well... i don't really trust that author ;D |
| 03:59.59 | sekelsenmat | I never had trouble with it on linux .. just hit now that i´m no windows |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | riot: some of those are actually debian packages .. guess it depends how you define them |
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| 04:00.12 | kepht | needs help fixing "disappearing text" problem on debian-testing ..how do i repair the fonts (something got messed up after upgrade few days ago) |
| 04:00.14 | sekelsenmat | all distros I saw don´t configure it |
| 04:00.19 | sanmarcos | sekelsenmat: both |
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| 04:00.37 | sanmarcos | sekelsenmat: I am afraid to try that evil key, so I dont know about linux. But I do have acpi |
| 04:00.40 | riot | abrotman: yep, thats what i learned of the article. they must be building their own x.org e.g. .. (if you remember the mess, they did. ;) |
| 04:00.40 | vanquish | hey all. I'm trying to send mail from my computer. I have exim4 installed. How do i do this? |
| 04:00.50 | p3rti | hi |
| 04:01.08 | sanmarcos | vanquish: echo "hello" |mail user@host -s "Subject" |
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| 04:01.19 | p3rti | someone know about a good free software to make dhtml menus.. |
| 04:01.33 | sanmarcos | vanquish: althought if you are a home dsl user, your isp will most likely block it, so use a relay host (such as your isps smtp) |
| 04:01.42 | abrotman | p3rti: vi |
| 04:01.43 | riot | vanquish: install mutt and read http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk/ |
| 04:01.49 | sanmarcos | p3rti: google, there are thousands of tutorials, or code it yourself, most of that crap is for win anyways |
| 04:01.59 | eldowan | kepht: I had the same problem. I tried various things for a few days and ended up doing a re-install. Fixed everything. |
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| 04:02.09 | sanmarcos | vanquish: yes, use mutt, or a good cli client, or gui. the smtp server will be localhost |
| 04:02.14 | p3rti | sanmarcos, yes. i saw that.. but i dont know a lot of code :S |
| 04:02.22 | vanquish | sanmarcos: thanks. command successfull, but mail never appears. |
| 04:02.29 | kepht | eldowan: really dreading a re-install |
| 04:02.29 | sekelsenmat | nevyn no, it only lists loopback |
| 04:02.32 | riot | vanquish: go ahead, read http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk/ |
| 04:02.43 | vanquish | sanmarcos,riot: i want to send mail from a script. i don't need a mua |
| 04:02.43 | abrotman | maybe bluefish ? |
| 04:02.45 | sanmarcos | vanquish: tail -f /var/log/mail.log as I said, your ISP blocks outoging 25, you cant use a mail server on a crappy home dsl |
| 04:02.47 | eldowan | kepht: why is that? |
| 04:03.05 | sanmarcos | vanquish: see about setting up a relay host in exim4 |
| 04:03.08 | vanquish | sanmarcos: here's the interesting part. mail.log is empty |
| 04:03.10 | kepht | eldowan: got to be some goofed setting or file somewhere |
| 04:03.23 | eldowan | kepht: Until you get it worked out, I noticed that gtk programs work better than qt programs. |
| 04:03.23 | sanmarcos | vanquish: exim.log or wherever exim logs. I dont use exim |
| 04:03.30 | riot | vanquish: aah. then you have to use the "mail" command. Read the "Sending Mail" part of that howto or find something else. |
| 04:03.36 | eldowan | kepht: I was told that it could be pango or cairo. |
| 04:03.39 | eldowan | Later all |
| 04:03.44 | vanquish | riot: tried the mail command. nothing happens |
| 04:03.51 | kepht | eldowan: currently, anything using pango and cairo is borked |
| 04:04.07 | kepht | which includes gtk2 and qt |
| 04:04.08 | sanmarcos | vanquish: are you sending mail locally? |
| 04:04.15 | sanmarcos | valdyn: as in user@machine, or user@yahoo.com? |
| 04:04.17 | kepht | ugh!!! |
| 04:04.33 | vanquish | sanmarcos: well, i suppose techinally no. |
| 04:04.36 | nevyn | sekelsenmat: you need to find out what sort of chip your network card uses |
| 04:04.39 | vanquish | sanmarcos: i'm on my company network |
| 04:04.41 | sanmarcos | vanquish: most probable, isp blocking your smtp (what isp do you have?), second, wrongly configured exim |
| 04:04.48 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 04:04.48 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 04:04.49 | vanquish | sanmarcos: i want to send mail to other collegues |
| 04:04.49 | riot | vanquish: got a mail account? try some fake-mta like msmtp |
| 04:04.50 | sanmarcos | vanquish: probably a firewall blockin it |
| 04:05.05 | vanquish | sanmarcos: unlikely, internal network |
| 04:05.17 | vanquish | riot: tried sending mail to my own email address. never arrives |
| 04:05.18 | sanmarcos | vanquish: ah ok, then its local, not going out |
| 04:05.27 | sanmarcos | vanquish: check the exim log |
| 04:05.31 | riot | vanquish: go ahead, install msmtp and look what it can do for you. |
| 04:05.35 | nevyn | sekelsenmat: lspci is your best bet. |
| 04:05.36 | vanquish | sanmarcos: yes. exim doesn't seem to ahve a log |
| 04:05.38 | sanmarcos | vanquish: check for firewalls, if not, then check tcpdump or iptraf to see whats going on |
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| 04:05.45 | sanmarcos | vanquish: make it have one, configure it to log |
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| 04:05.55 | vanquish | sanmarcos: ok. how would i do this? |
| 04:05.57 | riot | vanquish: i guess, its precisely what you want without all the "&!"§ mail-server-configuration-overhead |
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| 04:06.11 | nachos | hey |
| 04:06.13 | vanquish | riot: msmtp. ok i'll look at it |
| 04:06.14 | sanmarcos | vanquish: dont use exim |
| 04:06.21 | vanquish | sanmarcos: what should i be using? |
| 04:06.23 | nachos | how can i change my console font? |
| 04:06.28 | sanmarcos | vanquish: I mean, I dont use exim |
| 04:06.33 | vanquish | sanmarcos: ah |
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| 04:06.34 | sanmarcos | vanquish: use whatever you want |
| 04:06.38 | vanquish | sanmarcos: :) |
| 04:06.42 | riot | sanmarcos: why not? exim is fine, if you configure it right. He needs a solution without an own mailserver, imho. |
| 04:06.46 | sanmarcos | vanquish: just checkout how to setup logging for exim, so you can see whats going on |
| 04:06.54 | vanquish | sanmarcos: ok thanks |
| 04:06.54 | sanmarcos | riot: I dont use exim I said, I dont care what he uses |
| 04:07.09 | riot | sanmarcos: aah, got you wrong :) |
| 04:07.10 | sanmarcos | riot: I dont have an opinion on exim, never tried it. Postfix is amazing though :) |
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| 04:07.29 | riot | sanmarcos: yea, right, it is (compared to dinosaur sendmail ;) |
| 04:07.49 | riot | i learned to love msmtp on my workstation/terminal, exim on my servers |
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| 04:09.09 | sekelsenmat | nevyn errr, it´s a pretty standard network card, all distros I ever installed automatically configured it |
| 04:09.23 | sekelsenmat | can´t I just use whatever software the installer uses to configure it? |
| 04:09.27 | sekelsenmat | it worked on the installer |
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| 04:11.30 | zood_ | Hey folks bit of an obscure question but I'm trying to get a pdf from http://scitation.aip.org/getpdf/servlet/GetPDFServlet?filetype=pdf&id=PRBMDO000070000018180101000001&idtype=cvips&prog=normal. I can access from school but not home. However I can ssh to my box at school. Any way to get the pdf via terminal? |
| 04:11.50 | widrone | Oh the warm fuzzy joy, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-arm@lists.debian.org/msg05850.html |
| 04:12.10 | sekelsenmat | zood_ if your school box has wget you can use that to download the file |
| 04:12.24 | sekelsenmat | and then transfer from your school box to your home box |
| 04:12.44 | krazykit | *glee*. hp is sending me an ipw2200 to replace my bcm4318, so i'll have a wireless card with proper linux support! |
| 04:13.10 | widrone | now I got to reinatall the 2 slugs again for the last nice piece of open source network driver, no more pesky intel binary, ha! |
| 04:15.27 | abrotman | wouldn't call it 'proper' |
| 04:16.19 | riot | oh, i mean web-blags. Go ahead, look, too. It's all on xkcd.com ;) |
| 04:16.58 | zood_ | sekelsenmat: hmm... wget doesn't seem to do it (wget is installed though). It's not a normal link to a file such as http://foo.pdf ... |
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| 04:18.15 | riot | wtf.. the topic (and dpkg) is wrong. |
| 04:19.24 | zood_ | Can I tunnel http over ssh without setting up anything additional on the machine I'm sshing to? |
| 04:20.29 | sanmarcos | zoid: yes |
| 04:20.37 | sanmarcos | zood_: very easily |
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| 04:24.03 | dendrite | widrone: Ummmm... Replacing the NIC in an NSLU2? Am I missing something? |
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| 04:24.33 | dendrite | widrone: NM, confusion here. |
| 04:24.46 | widrone | dendrite: yes, not hw. The driver only. |
| 04:25.11 | dendrite | That's great news. That'll really simplify things. |
| 04:25.57 | widrone | dendrite: and with mt-daapd in the etch feed I digging it all the way. |
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| 04:27.13 | zood_ | sanmarcos: dpkg doesn't want to tell me anything about "tunnel" and I can't seem to get google to tell me something I understand. Could you point me in the right direction? |
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| 04:27.36 | sanmarcos | zood_: google ssh tunnel, it just works with ssh |
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| 04:27.41 | sanmarcos | zood_: man ssh might have something |
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| 04:31.54 | dendrite | widrone: Thanks for the pointer to mt-daapd. |
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| 04:34.07 | niles | hi |
| 04:34.17 | niles | can someone help me with my segfault? im attempting to read an array of structs, an i get a seg faulton the second loop, second member. |
| 04:35.43 | niles | wrong channel |
| 04:35.45 | niles | sorry |
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| 04:39.15 | mynullvoid | zood: what's your problem |
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| 04:43.54 | zood_ | mynullvoid: I'm trying to get a pdf from http://scitation.aip.org/getpdf/servlet/GetPDFServlet?filetype=pdf&id=PRBMDO000070000018180101000001&idtype=cvips&prog=normal. I can't access from home but can access from school. I'd like to figure out how to get at the pdf from home |
| 04:44.31 | zood_ | mynullvoid: I've got a box at school that I can ssh to |
| 04:46.17 | mynullvoid | zood: I don't understand |
| 04:46.19 | dendrite | zood_: ssh in, and use wget? |
| 04:46.34 | zood_ | dendrite: take a close look at the link. It's not a link to a file |
| 04:46.48 | zood_ | I mean a pdf |
| 04:46.52 | dendrite | zood_: links, w3m maybe? |
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| 04:47.29 | dendrite | niles: You figure it out? |
| 04:48.22 | Segers_J | how do I change my dns server's address? |
| 04:49.00 | Segers_J | err, you know what I mean <sheepish grin> |
| 04:49.19 | niles | dendrite: naw still stumped. you familiar with sparc asm ? |
| 04:49.48 | niles | Segers_J: resolv.conf |
| 04:50.06 | dendrite | niles: Nope. I can do C, and similar. SPARC ASM would be like wading through molasses for me. |
| 04:50.06 | mynullvoid | zood_: is required you to login |
| 04:50.13 | mynullvoid | zood_: it may use cookie |
| 04:50.23 | mynullvoid | btw what web client you are using? |
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| 04:51.06 | Segers_J | niles: that's what the faq said, but it doesn't change anything (all web pages are still my isp's "this name server is going away" page) |
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| 04:51.51 | Segers_J | niles: I even rebooted |
| 04:53.15 | mynullvoid | Segers_J: check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:53.35 | Segers_J | mynullvoid |
| 04:54.12 | Segers_J | mynullvoid: it's got a known good dns (the one I'm using on this mac) |
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| 04:54.35 | mynullvoid | so |
| 04:55.37 | tnks | Hi. "nn" seems to be using /etc/news/server for it's server. This seems oriented around a server having a single newsfeed. Is it possible to have more than one? |
| 04:56.31 | pstickne | Segers_J, you should make sure you restart your application for giggles and all. |
| 04:56.49 | zood_ | mynullvoid: From work I can get the file with firefox or konqueror (no password required) |
| 04:57.24 | pstickne | Segers_J, also make sure you're not running through a proxy. Which it kind of sounds like you are. |
| 04:57.26 | mynullvoid | zood_: when I try to click from here, I got a login page |
| 04:57.53 | mynullvoid | zood_: perhaps your htaccess |
| 04:58.00 | mynullvoid | i mean the server htaccess |
| 04:58.18 | zood_ | mynullvoid: yah it's just checking to see if you're coming from a place that has a subscription |
| 04:59.48 | zood_ | mynullvoid: if I'm at work and point to the link with firefox the pdf loads no questions asked. I just need to figure out how to tunnel firefox through my ssh server at work. |
| 04:59.48 | widrone | zood_: Try links from the school computer, ssh into it and away you go. Maybe... |
| 04:59.59 | zood_ | widrone: don't work |
| 05:00.48 | dendrite | zood_: And yes, you certainly can tunnel through ssh. I'm sure google can turn up a tutorial or two. |
| 05:01.03 | mynullvoid | zood_: you mean http tunnel via ssh? |
| 05:02.11 | zood_ | mynullvoid: yes I believe that's what I want |
| 05:02.37 | zood_ | mynullvoid: tunnel http over ssh |
| 05:02.38 | broyce | postfix trouble shooting help need |
| 05:03.14 | dendrite | broyce: Yoda. Speak, like you do. |
| 05:03.17 | mynullvoid | zood_: then get it setup |
| 05:03.37 | mynullvoid | broyce: #postfix |
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| 05:06.33 | bolima | rtth |
| 05:06.47 | bolima | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.25 | bolima | create narcing |
| 05:07.59 | bolima | psssssst |
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| 05:08.23 | bolima | lk |
| 05:08.36 | dendrite | zood_: Another approach is to just use iptables to forward packets through your school box... |
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| 05:09.47 | widrone | bolima: Youre acting strange you know. |
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| 05:10.25 | bolima | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.25 | dendrite | widrone: Up to the 'create' item, anyhow. |
| 05:10.33 | bolima | heheheh |
| 05:10.41 | buu | Hrm. What does "eeprom" missing mean? |
| 05:10.42 | narciso | miszie........................ |
| 05:10.50 | bolima | ows |
| 05:10.51 | narciso | jglwuog |
| 05:10.53 | narciso | kdmng.,dufg |
| 05:10.54 | narciso | vlkjrgluj |
| 05:10.56 | narciso | lkjmtvj |
| 05:11.01 | dendrite | narciso: Please stop. |
| 05:11.07 | bolima | sarah sarah princessa |
| 05:11.22 | dendrite | buu: Probably just what it says. Are you trying to boot from a network card? |
| 05:11.27 | buu | dendrite: No. |
| 05:11.35 | buu | dendrite: I just get that in dmesg when it loads the card |
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| 05:11.45 | dendrite | buu: What card? |
| 05:11.50 | neotek_ | oOGneaOo: you still around? |
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| 05:11.52 | buu | dendrite: I think it's a um |
| 05:12.03 | bolima | bkit poh kmi mgiistop? |
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| 05:12.31 | buu | dendrite: kingstone kne thing |
| 05:12.38 | narciso | bolima |
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| 05:12.55 | bolima | hi dendrite |
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| 05:13.11 | dendrite | !ops we have a flood coming from 203.111.234.75 |
| 05:13.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dendrite complains about: we have a flood coming from 203.111.234.75 |
| 05:13.20 | CaRiSsA | FATIMA HELLPO |
| 05:13.46 | CaRiSsA | HELLO |
| 05:13.47 | peterS | dendrite: good call |
| 05:13.49 | bolima | helo din carissa |
| 05:13.50 | narciso | wallah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 05:16.53 | bobby | I'm looking for a tool to put on a debian boarder router that shows us connections and their usage... for example usera (ip address) is connecting on port x (or a web address) and is using x amount of bandwidth |
| 05:17.22 | bigt | bobby: iptraf? |
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| 05:18.10 | zood_ | night folks many thanks |
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| 05:18.27 | erflynn | hello anyone have any knowledge on wireless in the Thinkpad T23? |
| 05:18.42 | bobby | bigt: any other suggestions |
| 05:19.36 | bigt | erflynn: its a prisim2 chipset so it should be pretty streaight forward |
| 05:19.50 | erflynn | is that the kernel module name? |
| 05:19.55 | erflynn | prism2? |
| 05:20.04 | bigt | bobby: no mate sorry just iptraf is all i am aware of |
| 05:20.19 | bobby | okay thanks |
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| 05:20.29 | bigt | erflynn: check this artivle http://www.math.uakron.edu/~chad/linux_t23.html |
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| 05:22.03 | Segers_J_ | Ok, I have set /etc/resolve.conf to have a line "nameserver 131.144.4.9" (the dns I'm using on this machine which is behind the same NAT firewall), I have run ifdown -a (no response, $?==0) Ihave run ifup -a (no response, $?==0), I have logged out and back in. All web pages are still the "this name server is going away" page. /etc/hosts only has 127.0.0.1 and some ip6 stuff in it. I've never set up a proxy that I'm aware of. Any other ide |
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| 05:23.03 | erflynn | bigt, err, that link timed out |
| 05:23.12 | mynullvoid | Segers_J_: sorry you miss the boat, we are not that waiting to answer you |
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| 05:23.21 | Segers_J_ | s/a line/only one nameserver line/ |
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| 05:24.01 | Segers_J_ | mynullvoid: welcome to my killfile |
| 05:24.32 | bigt | erflynn: working for me? anyway i'm not too sure on the in-n-outs of getting prism2 wireless cards working under debian |
| 05:25.17 | erflynn | bigt: have you used wireless on linux? |
| 05:25.23 | erflynn | bigt: with that chipset? |
| 05:25.46 | erflynn | i just wanna know if prism54 is an appropiate kernel module |
| 05:25.54 | erflynn | and how to associate an interface with it |
| 05:26.29 | bigt | erflynn: yes a while ago using the linux-wlan-ng package |
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| 05:26.52 | erflynn | bigt, oh it's in the kernel tree now |
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| 05:27.28 | bigt | erflynn: i thought it would be by now |
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| 05:29.56 | bigt | Segers_J_: does typing 'host www.google.com 131.144.4.9' resolve for you? |
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| 05:30.06 | Segers_J_ | checking |
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| 05:31.13 | Segers_J_ | bigt: yes, to 72.14.209.99 and x.x.x.104 |
| 05:31.29 | bigt | Segers_J_: what about just typing 'host www.google.com' does this still resolve? |
| 05:32.51 | Segers_J_ | bigt: everything's the same except the 104 is first this time |
| 05:33.17 | Segers_J_ | hey, it works now! |
| 05:33.19 | bigt | Segers_J_: well it appears that your resolv.conf is functioning correctly? |
| 05:33.28 | bigt | Segers_J_: great |
| 05:33.30 | Segers_J_ | thanks all. |
| 05:33.37 | Segers_J_ | thanks bigt |
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| 05:45.46 | floundering | Hi, I tried an etch install yesterday, I tried 2.6.16 and 2.6.17, which are apparently broken for my choice of packages (cmucl) and I need 2.6.18. Has anyone any Idea how long this kernel will take to percolate through to etch? |
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| 05:46.52 | dendrite | floundering: One thing you can try is to get the debianized source for the latest, probably 1.5.17, and patch up to 18... |
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| 05:49.43 | floundering | dendrite: thanks, I will get right on to it:) |
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| 05:53.16 | Triona | Question... is there a amd64 iceweasel package in experemental? |
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| 06:08.49 | ryty | yay, passed my CCNA cert |
| 06:08.54 | ryty | on the first try, too |
| 06:09.07 | Magilla | congrats |
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| 06:09.46 | jeffrin | key ID |
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| 06:17.24 | jonaskoelker | question: I want to set up an apt mirror, which does the following: `if the requested pkg is not in the local cache, download it to there. Then send the one in the local cache.' How would I go about this? |
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| 06:17.56 | dob1 | ops |
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| 06:18.44 | dob1 | where do you read which release of 3.1 i have ? |
| 06:18.49 | dob1 | *do I |
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| 06:20.41 | dendrite | dob1: Do you regularly apt-get update; apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:20.48 | dob1 | dendrite: yes |
| 06:21.00 | dendrite | dob1: Then you automatically have the latest, r4 I believe. |
| 06:21.14 | dendrite | dob1: Assuming you have security.debian.org in your sources.list... |
| 06:21.34 | jonaskoelker | (note: do *that* in cron--at least with apt-get *-d* upgrade) |
| 06:22.12 | dob1 | dendrite: yes i have it on source.liust, just noted that on /etc/debian_version there is written only 3.1 |
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| 06:23.05 | dendrite | dob1: /etc/debian_version is only a general idea. As multi-fangled as debian is, the concept of a version is a bit hazy, especially if you do anything besides a simple stable system... |
| 06:23.41 | dendrite | jonaskoelker: I believe apt-cache does that, but I'm not sure... |
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| 06:24.08 | SkramX | hey all |
| 06:24.08 | SkramX | quick question: how do i execute a script at boot-time? |
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| 06:24.09 | jonaskoelker | dendrite: apt-cache can mirror packages as well? |
| 06:24.09 | jonaskoelker | how? |
| 06:24.15 | SkramX | ? |
| 06:24.27 | dendrite | Or is that apt-proxy... Hmm. |
| 06:24.35 | jonaskoelker | SkramX: 'crontab -e' gga "@reboot /path/script" wq |
| 06:24.47 | jonaskoelker | (that is, append "@reebot /path/script" to your favorite crontab) |
| 06:24.55 | SkramX | ok |
| 06:25.04 | SkramX | wbat about at *every* boot |
| 06:25.07 | SkramX | is that right? |
| 06:25.11 | jonaskoelker | that's the easy way which I can understand. There's may be better way with /etc/rc* |
| 06:25.18 | SkramX | yeah |
| 06:25.19 | jonaskoelker | but yeah, that's at every reboot |
| 06:25.20 | SkramX | hmm |
| 06:25.20 | SkramX | thank |
| 06:25.21 | SkramX | s |
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| 06:25.24 | jonaskoelker | np |
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| 06:25.42 | jonaskoelker | the word "proxy" sounds more right, come to think of it |
| 06:25.46 | dendrite | SkramX: Read /etc/rcS.d/README |
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| 06:27.00 | jonaskoelker | "apt-cacher" and "apt-proxy" seem right. Thanks for the hints, dendrite :) |
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| 06:27.24 | dendrite | I was going to tell jonaskoelker that I've used apt-cacher, and it kind of sucked... |
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| 06:38.52 | iLLf8d | dendrite, can you elaborate on sucked? |
| 06:39.15 | iLLf8d | dendrite, buggy, missing features, hard to configure, slow? |
| 06:39.59 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Kludgey, mainly. And the developer didn't seem to be able to get control of the header issues I was seeing. |
| 06:40.09 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Um, are you the maintainer/developer? |
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| 06:40.23 | iLLf8d | no |
| 06:40.29 | dendrite | *phew* |
| 06:40.54 | iLLf8d | I wasn't implying anything by my statements really just was hoping for more specific infos |
| 06:40.55 | dendrite | iLLf8d: It's probably better now, but I remember hacking on it for a while, it's what I'd call spagetti Perl. |
| 06:41.06 | iLLf8d | hard to tell what the issue is with "sucked" =p |
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| 06:41.18 | iLLf8d | oh I gotcha |
| 06:41.23 | iLLf8d | didn't know it was a perl script |
| 06:41.31 | iLLf8d | I just saw the names in the text above |
| 06:41.41 | dendrite | Yeah, well, it was definitely broken, didn't deal with some of the special headers that come through with apt-get type downloads. |
| 06:41.44 | iLLf8d | I was just looking for some mirroring tools myself when I saw the discussion in channel |
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| 06:42.01 | iLLf8d | dendrite, got any background into alternatives? |
| 06:42.13 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Don't know if BTS has any clues. And no, not really. |
| 06:42.35 | iLLf8d | dendrite, I was hoping to make a partial mirror just not sure what kinda partial mirror selections tools were out there and if they were all hacks |
| 06:42.50 | iLLf8d | ok thanks anyway |
| 06:43.10 | dendrite | iLLf8d: For a while I was running squid, tuned to cache debs, but then I flashed dd-wrt onto my wrt54g, and that broke squid vis-a-vis apt-get |
| 06:43.26 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 06:43.31 | iLLf8d | howdya like dd-wrt |
| 06:43.33 | dendrite | Never did quite figure out what that was all about. Damn annoying. |
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| 06:43.41 | iLLf8d | funny a bunch of topics I've been looking into lately =P |
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| 06:43.59 | dendrite | iLLf8d: It's fine, I haven't seen it give me any trouble except for breaking squid. |
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| 06:44.22 | dendrite | iLLf8d: And it's definitely lower power than the Cyrix 120 box running woody that it replaced... |
| 06:45.08 | iLLf8d | is it firmware flashable and revertable via the firmware html gui? |
| 06:45.24 | iLLf8d | I've read all the openwrt docs haven't really gotten to the dd-wrt stuff yet |
| 06:45.27 | dendrite | iLLf8d: And for the record, I have no problem with Perl for apt-cacher type uses, but Perl can be awful, just like C... |
| 06:45.32 | iLLf8d | although the webgui looked nice on it |
| 06:45.40 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 06:45.48 | dendrite | iLLf8d: I believe it is both flashable, upgradable and revertable. |
| 06:45.57 | dendrite | both... well, all three. |
| 06:45.57 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 06:46.06 | iLLf8d | config time pretty quick? |
| 06:46.21 | iLLf8d | just wondering how long my wife will be complaining =P |
| 06:46.28 | iLLf8d | maybe I'll do it early one morning |
| 06:46.34 | dendrite | Some learning curve, since I'm using it for dns and dhcp. |
| 06:47.45 | dendrite | turns out for best results, I set it to server dhcp addresses even for static ip hosts, since that's how it knows local dns entries. |
| 06:47.54 | dendrite | I hope that made sense... |
| 06:48.48 | iLLf8d | yeah thats what I was hoping to use it for |
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| 06:49.03 | iLLf8d | ntp, dhcp with static mac entries and a variable pool and dns |
| 06:49.15 | iLLf8d | and maybe a bit of qos |
| 06:49.25 | dendrite | iLLf8d: exactly. |
| 06:49.33 | iLLf8d | specifically a torrent crusher to kill my wifes antics |
| 06:49.48 | dendrite | iLLf8d: I haven't played much with the iptables on that thing, but I know it's possible. |
| 06:49.52 | iLLf8d | she's trying to personally mirror the internet |
| 06:50.10 | iLLf8d | I should tell her to start with the pr0n |
| 06:50.11 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 06:50.24 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Heh. Be careful, if you keep her from collecting bits, she'll start collecting something more tangible. :-) |
| 06:50.51 | dendrite | hatpins, or duck carvings... *shudder* |
| 06:51.24 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 06:54.25 | widrone | iLLf8d: Disk are cheeper then diamonds, still. |
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| 06:54.46 | iLLf8d | yeah whatever makes her happy |
| 06:54.51 | iLLf8d | you know how that is |
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| 06:55.31 | iLLf8d | hrm may hit dd-wrt up tonight would be nice to get that going |
| 06:55.55 | iLLf8d | I used to run an obsd box in that capacity but I got tired of all these machines heating my apartment and raising the electric bill |
| 06:55.56 | dendrite | ... Mirror the internet... I once worked with someone who asked if I could put the internet on a floppy diskette for them to review that evening... |
| 06:56.08 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:56.29 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Yeah, I noticed a definite power consumption drop when I shut down the router and dns server. :-) |
| 06:56.37 | iLLf8d | you should've toldem yes but it'd take you a few hundred years to develop the compression and to compress it |
| 06:56.50 | dendrite | I'm using an NSLU2 for my 24/7 shell box. |
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| 06:57.12 | iLLf8d | oh yeah? hrm never considered that |
| 06:57.14 | dendrite | iLLf8d: I think I just stared blankly. |
| 06:57.29 | dendrite | iLLf8d: DebianSlug |
| 06:57.40 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Recently got the drivers for the Intel NIC. |
| 06:57.44 | iLLf8d | I've got a uml account on redwood not the best service but cheap and ok for my needs |
| 06:58.02 | dendrite | I installed the hard way, using debootstrap... |
| 06:58.09 | iLLf8d | hrm wonder if they're still available or worth the purchase |
| 06:58.15 | iLLf8d | theres alot of alternatives out lately |
| 06:58.24 | iLLf8d | wish those asus gateway routers were cheaper nowadays |
| 06:58.30 | iLLf8d | they're like 300ish |
| 06:58.53 | widrone | iLLf8d: Still out there, the NSLU2 that is. But there is alot of other similar boxen hitting the market it seems |
| 06:58.58 | dendrite | iLLf8d: I'm sure they are available. But yes, there are more powerful options. |
| 06:58.58 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Sometimes you can catch folks in here who really know their way around that scene. |
| 06:59.34 | iLLf8d | I've played games with a few cheapo nas solutions but although some were really neat they were all slow as shit |
| 06:59.40 | dendrite | iLLf8d: In fact, for a low-power server, I'd consider one that had IDE or SATA interfaces built in, rather than using a USB storage approach. |
| 06:59.59 | dendrite | iLLf8d: I pulled up the resistor on my NSLU2, doubled the speed. :-) |
| 07:00.08 | iLLf8d | my buddy turned me onto something neat one sec lemme find the link |
| 07:00.20 | iLLf8d | http://norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html |
| 07:00.27 | iLLf8d | somewhat resonable too |
| 07:00.29 | dendrite | BogoMIPS : 266.24 |
| 07:00.33 | dendrite | Woo woo! |
| 07:00.40 | iLLf8d | dunno anyone thats actually bought one tho before |
| 07:00.41 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:00.45 | widrone | iLLf8d: Just the intel closed source driver that stops it being in "debian proper". But there is stuff in the works. And there is a flashable firmware for d-i etch rc1 (with the intel blob in althu) |
| 07:01.17 | iLLf8d | gotcha |
| 07:02.09 | dendrite | iLLf8d: That MicroClient Jr. thingamabob looks cool. |
| 07:02.44 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 07:02.49 | iLLf8d | I dunno if it'd be worth it or not tho |
| 07:02.57 | iLLf8d | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=asus+router&Submit=ENE&N=0&Ntk=all&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 <- checkout the asus products here |
| 07:03.05 | iLLf8d | they're not too bad either |
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| 07:04.01 | iLLf8d | its hard to figure out what to buy nowadays since the cost of all this stuff is coming down and you have alot more options |
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| 07:04.31 | russruss | hey guys, I just posted this on linux but they directed me here. I'm using a stock 2.6.17-amd64 kernel. |
| 07:04.35 | dendrite | iLLf8d: Yeah, it's terrible, ain't it?? |
| 07:04.44 | iLLf8d | yeah torturous |
| 07:04.47 | russruss | I'm having problems making a 3.5 tb partition on my RAID device |
| 07:05.01 | iLLf8d | although if apple came out with a mini with a few more nics in it i'd buy one of those right away |
| 07:05.10 | iLLf8d | and nuke osx of course |
| 07:05.26 | dendrite | russruss: I saw you asking that before... I sure don't know. Any clues on Google? |
| 07:05.36 | russruss | dendrite, I've been looking :-\ |
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| 07:05.49 | iLLf8d | russruss, uhm why bother making one that large? |
| 07:06.19 | iLLf8d | just split it into a bunch of pvs that it can handle and use lvm/vgs to manage it |
| 07:06.19 | russruss | It's a file back-up server, I'd like it to be on one partition just for ease of use |
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| 07:06.29 | russruss | iLLf8d, is that easy? |
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| 07:06.41 | iLLf8d | not easy but not hard its very straightforward |
| 07:06.58 | dendrite | russruss: What RAID setup is it? |
| 07:07.09 | iLLf8d | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/LVM-HOWTO/ http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/ http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 07:07.17 | iLLf8d | checkout a few of those see what you think |
| 07:07.38 | russruss | dendrite, it's a hardware raid 5, doesn't really matter though, I have the block device |
| 07:08.00 | iLLf8d | you sure you wanna make a 3.5T drive? |
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| 07:08.03 | dendrite | russruss: Some firmware limits the partition size. |
| 07:08.19 | iLLf8d | seems the larger the drives I get the more outta control they ar |
| 07:08.22 | iLLf8d | s/ar/are |
| 07:08.45 | iLLf8d | I always end up nuking them to keep from having to sort through crap for months to get them into shape |
| 07:09.02 | iLLf8d | I can't imagine having 3.5T of cruft |
| 07:09.09 | dendrite | russruss: LVM is not a bad suggestion. The flexibility is very nice to have. |
| 07:09.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:09.12 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:09.12 | craigevil | anyone know if firefox 1.5.0.8 will make it into Sid? |
| 07:09.25 | dendrite | I keep meaning to rewrite that popcon factoid... |
| 07:09.28 | tarzeau | 1300 users more and there's 20000 |
| 07:09.33 | tarzeau | craigevil: who cares? |
| 07:09.38 | tarzeau | craigevil: we've got links2 -g |
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| 07:09.54 | widrone | craigevil: iceweasel will. |
| 07:10.28 | widrone | craigevil: But you be wanting the 1.5 branch, that I dont know anything about. |
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| 07:21.09 | litage | is it possible to prevent iptables from logging to dmesg? |
| 07:21.40 | ryty | litage: configure it not to |
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| 07:22.34 | litage | ryty: do you have any suggestions on how to go about doing that? |
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| 07:24.14 | ryty | litage: modify /etc/syslog.conf? (not sure of the filename) |
| 07:24.31 | A300 | hellos. I can not get my ps/2 mouse to work (tried 2 of them). Is there anthing I can do to test and figure out what the issue is? (used to work in windows, no longer boot windows on this box, worked when debian was installed on the old hd) |
| 07:24.46 | tengulre | is it need SMP if I using double core proccessor? |
| 07:25.25 | ryty | tengulre: if you want to take advantage of it, yes |
| 07:25.36 | litage | tengulre: if you use a non-SMP kernel with a dual-core CPU, only one CPU will be used |
| 07:26.04 | ryty | s/one CPU/one core/ |
| 07:26.09 | tengulre | litage: are you sure?? |
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| 07:26.42 | litage | tengulre: see ryty's correction. i meant to say this: if you use a non-SMP kernel with a dual-core CPU, only one core will be used |
| 07:27.09 | tengulre | litage: OK! thanks very much |
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| 07:27.26 | litage | np |
| 07:28.13 | pitillo | A300, do you have support for ps/2 mouse at kernel? (take a look to dmesg) and do you have Xserver configured? (take a look to the config file and the device configured at mouse section) |
| 07:31.45 | A300 | hmm, ive never seen a stock kernel not have ps2 support, yes i configured xfree with xf86config |
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| 07:32.42 | widrone | A300: So your kerenel is a stock one from debian, not one you rolled yourself? |
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| 07:33.07 | A300 | for now yes, and i dont see anything about ps/2 in the kernel, odd |
| 07:33.09 | widrone | s/kerenel/kernel |
| 07:33.16 | pitillo | A300, I don´t know if you recompiled it. And yes, take a look to the config file (/etc/X11/XF86config) at mouse section, and look the device, probably is bad. |
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| 07:34.12 | A300 | ive checked the config for X, the log says no such core device |
| 07:34.22 | cyco | anyone know how to 'reset' dselect? it seems to have randomly selected 200 packages for removal :/ |
| 07:34.39 | A300 | ive tried auto and generic ps/2, both used to work |
| 07:35.56 | A300 | dmesg has nothing for ps/2 mouse, very odd, would the kernel give a error if it did not find a mouse attached? |
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| 07:36.37 | pitillo | A300, dmesg | grep mice |
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| 07:37.03 | A300 | nada |
| 07:38.21 | widrone | A300: psmouse mod loaded? You on 2.4 or 2.6 kernel btw? |
| 07:38.25 | pitillo | A300, is it a generic kernel? you mean you don´t recompile it.... (strange that a generic kernel hasn´t ps2 support) |
| 07:38.34 | A300 | its the same kernel i use on my laptop (2.4.27-3-686) |
| 07:38.52 | A300 | i should change to -k7 but the dl hasnt finished (lovely dialup) |
| 07:39.12 | widrone | A300: I think the psmose module is just for 2.6 so ignore that comment. |
| 07:39.17 | pitillo | A300, try to load it. |
| 07:39.21 | widrone | A300: psmouse even |
| 07:39.51 | A300 | no mod by that name |
| 07:40.45 | A300 | lsmod shows nothing for mice/mouse/ps2 |
| 07:42.04 | A300 | ./etc/modules does have psmouse tho |
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| 07:43.36 | predder | how can i give an argument to a kernel module? |
| 07:44.01 | A300 | i wonder if that it is a nforce board that it is changing something?? |
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| 07:47.50 | lunitik | predder: modprobe module arguements go here |
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| 07:49.02 | lunitik | predder: works in /etc/modules too so you don't have to keep doing that |
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| 07:50.24 | Assid | heya |
| 07:51.06 | Assid | i am just trying to 'image' an entire drive onto another.. so i can just plug it into another machine and use it |
| 07:51.17 | Assid | however when i try to run grub-install /dev/hdb i get /dev/hdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 07:51.28 | Assid | according to fdisk /dev/hdb1 is bootable |
| 07:51.36 | Assid | if i just put the 2nd drive as primary.. will it work? |
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| 07:58.11 | predder | thanks lunitik :) |
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| 08:04.25 | Triona | Whats the status of firefox 2 packages (or iceweasel packages based on the same code) |
| 08:05.26 | Egusgib | the |
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| 08:13.19 | sanmarcos | does anybody know of any good software to map my network graphically? |
| 08:13.20 | sanmarcos | as cheops ? |
| 08:13.38 | sanmarcos | !cheops |
| 08:13.38 | dpkg | cheops is, like, a general, gtk based tool for managing networks. It provides a nice interface to most networks utilities, maps local and remote networks, and can show OS types of machines on the network. |
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| 08:16.44 | Guerin | why not use cheops if it's so shit-hot? |
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| 08:18.06 | sanmarcos | because it sucks at detecting OS's the UI is horrible. and gtk1 |
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| 08:21.51 | EmleyMoor | I tried to use a 2.6 kernel on a sarge system and modules wouldn't load due to QM_MODULES missing - I then installed module-init-tools - is there anything special I need to do to fix this problem before I try my 2.6 kernel again? |
| 08:22.01 | Triona | sanmarcos: cheops-ng is available in unstable. |
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| 08:22.18 | Triona | which uses nmap for os detection rather than queso. |
| 08:22.25 | b00wk | hello |
| 08:22.42 | b00wk | anyone booted linux on x60s here ? |
| 08:22.49 | sanmarcos | Triona: nice, let me try! |
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| 08:23.26 | sanmarcos | Triona: right!! it tries to install gnome 1.4!! seriously.. NG ? |
| 08:24.16 | Triona | EmleyMoor: if I recall correctly, it can fix itself once module-init-tools is installed, but it's been a while since I tried that upgrade. |
| 08:24.35 | EmleyMoor | So, you'd suggest I try it? OK - I will |
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| 08:27.14 | Triona | sanmarcos: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cheops-ng.html says last time that was touched was january.. still probably newer than the old cheops package. |
| 08:27.39 | sanmarcos | Triona: yep, but i am not installing gnome 1 just for that. Do you know of any alternatives? |
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| 08:28.55 | Triona | apparently, one of the key people working on cheops-ng left for a little company called digium. |
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| 08:29.32 | Triona | see if it builds against newer gnome libs maybe? |
| 08:29.33 | kroddn | hi |
| 08:29.49 | Triona | and if it does, file a bug to get the package updated |
| 08:29.59 | kroddn | does somebody here know which usb-hubs to use for linux? |
| 08:30.31 | george | any should work |
| 08:31.08 | sanmarcos | is there another command than uptime to check the load averages? |
| 08:31.11 | EmleyMoor | No, that didn't work |
| 08:31.14 | sanmarcos | kroddn: any |
| 08:31.29 | cydork | sanmarcos: w |
| 08:31.30 | EmleyMoor | Do I need to rebuild that kernel package for it to work? |
| 08:31.54 | george | "that"? "didn't work?" |
| 08:32.09 | kroddn | sanmarcos: i read a forum-posting where people complained about usb-hubs not to work with linux |
| 08:32.25 | sanmarcos | a 1.52 load average means that the cpu is 152% on its load (meaning 52% overloaded). and that 1 process has to wait ? |
| 08:32.26 | EmleyMoor | Installing module-init-tools then rebooting |
| 08:32.31 | sanmarcos | kroddn: fud |
| 08:32.42 | widrone | kroddn: Sounds strange, who were they? |
| 08:32.45 | Triona | EmleyMoor: Checking google. |
| 08:32.49 | george | kroddn: it's more likely their onboard usb ports weren't supported |
| 08:33.49 | kroddn | so does somebody have a usb hub? if, which brand? |
| 08:33.49 | sanmarcos | any works |
| 08:33.49 | widrone | kroddn: Yes, no name cheapo 2 port USB 2.0 hub. |
| 08:33.49 | sanmarcos | usb hubs dont require drivers |
| 08:33.53 | EmleyMoor | Likely to need to run update-modules it seems |
| 08:33.53 | sanmarcos | they are just extensions of the usb bus |
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| 08:34.42 | sanmarcos | what is "IOStat" ? |
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| 08:35.17 | george | Stat of IO? status of some sort of input and/or output device or port |
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| 08:35.37 | EmleyMoor | Triona: Will try it but anything else you can find relevant and applicable to Debian would be much appreciated :-) |
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| 08:37.30 | kroddn | sanmarcos: i know that you dont need a driver |
| 08:37.37 | kroddn | but some hubs seem to be incompatible |
| 08:38.04 | karsten | Triona: IIRC it's 'depmod -l' that runs at startup. |
| 08:38.20 | kroddn | and it is not just an extension, the hub does some work itself and therefor may not work with any system |
| 08:38.53 | Triona | EmleyMoor: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-upgrade-to-2.6 |
| 08:38.55 | widrone | kroddn: Either they are within the USB spec and they work, or they are not and you should return them =) |
| 08:38.57 | karsten | sanmarcos: 'iostat' (lowercase) is a utility to report IO statistics from storage devices (disk). See also vmstat. |
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| 08:39.17 | sanmarcos | karsten: I was just wondering, because of what munin was reporting :) |
| 08:39.23 | kroddn | widrone: and thats the point ^^ |
| 08:39.31 | karsten | sanmarcos: I just tuned in for a sec, may be missing context. |
| 08:39.41 | karsten | sanmarcos: Um. munin? |
| 08:39.46 | kroddn | i dont want to return the hub, because that's more expensive then a hub itself |
| 08:39.51 | sanmarcos | karsten: http://munin.projects.linpro.no |
| 08:39.58 | widrone | kroddn: What? That silly non comforming hardware wont work correctly, that aint OS/driver spesific. |
| 08:40.44 | EmleyMoor | So maybe I should purge and reinstall... will try that now |
| 08:40.44 | widrone | kroddn: My point was if the retailer/seller says its usb spec conformin you should have nothing to worry about. |
| 08:40.56 | Triona | EmleyMoor: might also be worth building a kernel package so that the dependancies remain correct. |
| 08:41.01 | karsten | sanmarcos: is that a mrtg / nagios type thing? |
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| 08:41.08 | kroddn | widrone: okay, i'll by a D-Link USB Hub |
| 08:41.09 | sanmarcos | karsten: yes |
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| 08:41.38 | Triona | as if a kernel upgrade is pulled in from a proper package, dependancies issues should resolve itself with apt-get... |
| 08:42.01 | EmleyMoor | If it still fails I will build again |
| 08:42.22 | roleypolinde | Can anyone recommend me some text based apps that are a must have? |
| 08:42.55 | karsten | roleypolinde: bash, vim, screen, w3m, gnupg, mutt |
| 08:42.59 | karsten | roleypolinde: ... and mc |
| 08:43.25 | cydork | roleypolinde: Or emacs :P |
| 08:43.31 | widrone | roleypolinde: And Ill trow screen in that mix too, cant live without it. |
| 08:43.43 | karsten | widrone: Then add a sort | uniq ;-) |
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| 08:43.47 | karsten | widrone: It's already there. |
| 08:44.01 | widrone | karsten: brain aint got sort installed ;) |
| 08:44.02 | roleypolinde | ok bash, vim got... w3m is there somewhere |
| 08:44.09 | roleypolinde | need to get mutt... got emacs |
| 08:44.24 | sanmarcos | roleypolinde: mutt, links, vim, centericq, irssi, |
| 08:44.30 | karsten | roleypolinde: mutt == mail, w3m == web, vim == editor, screen == terminal multiplexer. |
| 08:44.33 | karsten | Oh: irssi. |
| 08:44.36 | karsten | Doh! |
| 08:44.36 | roleypolinde | Ok, anything that's kinda nice... especially if you're stuck with the console mode as your primary desktop? |
| 08:44.40 | cydork | hmm i forgot irssi |
| 08:44.43 | widrone | roleypolinde: irssi then maybe |
| 08:44.47 | roleypolinde | I've got bitchx |
| 08:44.51 | sanmarcos | bitch |
| 08:44.54 | widrone | karsten: Damn you! heh.. |
| 08:44.55 | karsten | As I said, irssi. |
| 08:44.57 | iLLf8d | hrm anyone in here using dd-wrt? |
| 08:45.08 | karsten | widrone: ;-) |
| 08:45.11 | sanmarcos | iLLf8d: theres a channel |
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| 08:45.31 | iLLf8d | I'm kinda trying to find someone I was chatting with the other day (I think it was in here) |
| 08:45.47 | iLLf8d | can't recall their nickname and not sure which machines got the right logs to figure it out |
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| 08:46.50 | karsten | roleypolinde: I suppose an apropos question would be why are you asking and how much Linux experience do you have. |
| 08:46.57 | roleypolinde | aha |
| 08:47.07 | EmleyMoor | I'm setting up |
| 08:47.09 | roleypolinde | Lots of experience breaking linux distros |
| 08:47.17 | EmleyMoor | ... a box specifically for asterisk |
| 08:47.23 | roleypolinde | I'm asking because I got linux working on my nintendo DS |
| 08:47.35 | roleypolinde | and obviously on such a small device you're quite limited |
| 08:47.36 | EmleyMoor | Any non-base-system good idea packages I might miss? |
| 08:47.49 | roleypolinde | so I'm setting up a SSH tunnel into a box with some nice text based software to use on this device |
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| 08:48.19 | sanmarcos | roleypolinde: screen is number one |
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| 08:48.22 | Triona | EmleyMoor: hrm... I'd consider festival if you want to do tts stuff. |
| 08:48.25 | roleypolinde | I'm more of user than a programmer though |
| 08:48.31 | sanmarcos | vim is number two |
| 08:48.32 | roleypolinde | ok |
| 08:48.42 | EmleyMoor | Triona: Unlikely but thanks for the hint |
| 08:48.59 | Triona | and obviously, zaptel if you have the hardware... |
| 08:49.20 | karsten | roleypolinde: That list I gave you is pretty much what I toss onto a box immediately. Oh, and 'less' if it's not already there. |
| 08:49.34 | EmleyMoor | I don't yet but I plan to get it when I have a production-ready setup :-) |
| 08:49.43 | roleypolinde | say nice |
| 08:49.45 | roleypolinde | oops |
| 08:49.47 | roleypolinde | nice I mean |
| 08:49.57 | Triona | Possibly even if you don't, the ztdummy driver potentially helps with timing issues. |
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| 08:50.37 | roleypolinde | It's fun to run linux on a device as simple as a PDA |
| 08:50.53 | roleypolinde | especially one that doubles as a machine that plays current Nintendo games =) |
| 08:51.03 | psycodad | Triona: conf calls wont work without zaptel or dummy driver |
| 08:51.23 | Triona | yeah... IIRC neither will music on hold. |
| 08:51.24 | cydork | roleypolinde: http://gp2x.co.uk/indexgp2x.html |
| 08:51.26 | EmleyMoor | I'm mainly bothering because I want some way to split the ordinary phones and the amplified phones |
| 08:51.34 | cydork | roleypolinde: m thinkin of buyin that :P |
| 08:51.50 | EmleyMoor | (and so that Dave can have his own number, &c) |
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| 08:54.08 | roleypolinde | The gpx is nice |
| 08:54.18 | EmleyMoor | Might yet, if these plans come off, have to look for a provider who can do me a DDI range |
| 08:54.25 | roleypolinde | But the nice thing about the DS itself is that I can load GBA and DS roms into it.. without needing emulation |
| 08:54.32 | roleypolinde | It loads those two roms NATIVELY |
| 08:54.48 | cydork | roleypolinde: the cost os DS is? |
| 08:54.55 | cydork | s/os/of/ |
| 08:55.15 | roleypolinde | $130USD |
| 08:55.16 | Triona | EmleyMoor: you might also find Asterisk useful for getting rid of telemarketers. |
| 08:55.31 | cydork | roleypolinde: hmm |
| 08:55.40 | roleypolinde | I did spend about $60USD for the homebrew cartridges |
| 08:55.44 | EmleyMoor | Absolutely - first thing on CLIDless calls, Zapateller |
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| 08:55.47 | roleypolinde | to make it load roms and homebrew software |
| 08:56.15 | Triona | EmleyMoor: IVR-hell ! |
| 08:56.35 | EmleyMoor | Indeed - will have IVR on the PSTN line |
| 08:57.49 | psycodad | i have debian etch installed and i need the kernel-headers to my 2.6.17-2-k7-smp kernel (stock from etch) to install vmware...with the package linux-heaeders installed vmware complains that this is not the same version as the kernel running... do i really need to build my own kernel to have current and valid headers ?? |
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| 08:58.50 | roleypolinde | alright, time for bed |
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| 09:00.16 | roleypolinde | what, sleep? |
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| 09:05.59 | EmleyMoor | Sorted :-) Got 2.6 kernel running on my Asterisk box now |
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| 09:08.07 | aldin | hi, i need LAMP, is there debian CD 4download which has this packages |
| 09:09.27 | widrone | !lamp |
| 09:09.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 09:10.00 | widrone | aldin: It may be, but all packages you need is in the debian package feeds. |
| 09:10.36 | widrone | aldin: But I read your request as a "fire and forget" CD install option. |
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| 09:11.53 | aldin | widrone, my friedn has few pentium pro arround 200MHz |
| 09:11.57 | aldin | and CDROm |
| 09:12.36 | aldin | he wants to put apache php and to have at leat icewm, so .... debian LAMP would be great |
| 09:12.43 | aldin | *at least |
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| 09:14.28 | widrone | aldin: Offline system so you need all the packages on the cds? |
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| 09:15.31 | andrej | Hi, how do I get an install from testing to stable? |
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| 09:15.56 | widrone | andrej: Downgrade in other words? |
| 09:16.03 | andrej | I suppose |
| 09:16.05 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 09:16.05 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:16.11 | Coweater | andrej: set your sources.list to be etch and wait until it goes stable |
| 09:16.22 | widrone | andrej: You have testing installed already, yes? |
| 09:16.28 | andrej | Yes |
| 09:16.30 | aldin | widrone, yes but debian ships on 11CDs and i dont know is 3 of them ebough? |
| 09:16.32 | widrone | !beer Coweater |
| 09:16.45 | andrej | Heh |
| 09:16.46 | widrone | Coweater: Besest solution for that so far. |
| 09:16.57 | andrej | I like Erdinger better ;) |
| 09:17.08 | aldin | widrone: any link, i dont know Coweater... |
| 09:17.30 | widrone | aldin: Mm... I know, its a problem maybe. I havent used a cd in many years so Im going to let the q pass on. |
| 09:17.45 | widrone | aldin: dvd is out there maybe, but that is no sulution I guess. |
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| 09:18.58 | andrej | Ok, coweater, my sources has currently testing ... what is the relationship between testing, stable and etch? |
| 09:19.03 | EmleyMoor | asterisk isn't running when started from /etc/init.d/asterisk |
| 09:19.11 | EmleyMoor | How can I trace why? |
| 09:19.35 | aldin | widrone: nope, he hasnt DVDROM, and he took mandriva!, i keep telling him that debian is better, but he says not in this situation |
| 09:20.11 | widrone | aldin: Im guessing there is a overwiev over the packages on the cds, and get the ones you need. |
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| 09:20.47 | Coweater | andrej: etch is the current testing and when it's released it becomes stable |
| 09:21.06 | andrej | I see. How far away would that be? :) |
| 09:21.06 | Coweater | (could take a while) |
| 09:21.11 | andrej | Heh |
| 09:21.35 | Coweater | i think it's scheduled for december something, but that doesn't guarentee anything |
| 09:21.36 | andrej | But if I don't want to have the latest and greatest stuff every day, how do I just get security updates? |
| 09:21.49 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... asterisk dies with code 1 |
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| 09:22.50 | andrej | Comment out all lines in sources that don't have security in them? :) |
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| 09:23.15 | widrone | aldin: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#search-for-package |
| 09:23.28 | widrone | aldin: Try to get your bird eye view from there. |
| 09:24.02 | Coweater | i guess so |
| 09:24.15 | andrej | That's kind of ughly :) |
| 09:24.29 | Coweater | if you really did want to downgrade it's best to just back your stuff up and reinstall |
| 09:24.30 | cydork | andrej: then you will never reach to stable. |
| 09:25.42 | andrej | thanks ... so, I sed -i 's/testing/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.lst and be patient? |
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| 09:25.51 | cydork | andrej: yep |
| 09:25.58 | andrej | Ta |
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| 09:26.19 | widrone | !tell aldin about pik |
| 09:26.34 | b00wk | hey, is there a debian what I can install off a flash disk ? |
| 09:27.11 | widrone | b00wk: Install off? You mean having the rootfs on flash or the installer? |
| 09:27.38 | b00wk | widrone, installer , to install on the lap with no cdrom |
| 09:27.43 | andrej | off, of, onto ... mere semantics :) |
| 09:27.54 | aRJAy | Question: How can I see if my MySql database is running? and if it's not, how do I make it run (no-one suggest putting a carrot infront of it's nose!) |
| 09:28.03 | widrone | !d-i |
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| 09:28.04 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 09:28.40 | b00wk | widrone, so i can make flash disk installer ? |
| 09:28.42 | andrej | ps -ef|grep mysq ? |
| 09:28.44 | sanmarcos | can I run an app windowless with metacity? |
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| 09:29.05 | widrone | b00wk: Have a look at the debian wiki under the installer, I know I have seen some docs there. |
| 09:29.16 | b00wk | widrone, ok thank you |
| 09:29.42 | aldin | widrone: thanks, gotta go |
| 09:29.43 | andrej | Oh well, thanks for the support guys, was a very positive experience this time :} |
| 09:29.54 | aRJAy | andrej: I did that just now and got a little response. How do I show you? |
| 09:29.57 | widrone | b00wk: There is a harddisk install option of some sorts, that should cover it maybe. If you are able to boot of the stick. Or there is always debootstrap. |
| 09:30.25 | aRJAy | andrej: join #flood ? |
| 09:30.31 | b00wk | widrone, this lap allows selection of flash disk as boot |
| 09:30.36 | andrej | aRJAy : copy & paste if it's not too much? |
| 09:30.38 | andrej | OK |
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| 09:31.07 | widrone | b00wk: Ah, my cdrom less laptop dont, its too old. I had to go the debootstrap way. :/ |
| 09:31.23 | b00wk | oouuch :) |
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| 09:31.39 | dockane_ | hi.. i ve got problems with burning an iso file from shell with burn: http://pastebin.com/820301 |
| 09:31.43 | widrone | b00wk: Its easy and flexible, no wrong with it at all. |
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| 09:31.52 | b00wk | ok |
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| 09:32.27 | widrone | b00wk: But it sort of needs another working *nix running to get it started, so ymmv. |
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| 09:32.32 | GooE | what is /etc/networks used for? |
| 09:33.17 | ProtectYaNeck | I can't get the debian etch live kde cd to work |
| 09:33.34 | ProtectYaNeck | my monitor just says out of range and thats the end of it |
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| 09:34.38 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: Where you get it from? (url) |
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| 09:35.08 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: You could try to jump out inti a terminal if that is supported. |
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| 09:35.36 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: And tweek it from there, that could work. |
| 09:36.00 | ProtectYaNeck | widrone, from a download link at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/index.html |
| 09:37.13 | qailer | GooE: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-tcpip.html |
| 09:37.55 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: You mean the page that tells you to go to #debian-live on another irc network? :) |
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| 09:38.25 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: Not to be an asshat, but I think you may be in more luck there really. |
| 09:38.50 | ProtectYaNeck | hmm |
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| 09:39.14 | ProtectYaNeck | do you know of any other live etch cds/dvds? |
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| 09:40.00 | pablum | (_ô_) |
| 09:40.15 | pablum | that's an asshat :) |
| 09:40.18 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: Nope, but I aint got any cdroms either. Anyways Im off for my weekly needle insertion. |
| 09:40.21 | ProtectYaNeck | I get it' |
| 09:40.22 | widrone | !asshat |
| 09:40.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, asshat is if you have to ask what one is, you probably are one |
| 09:40.58 | ProtectYaNeck | unbelievable |
| 09:41.16 | widrone | ProtectYaNeck: Im guessing they are glad for the feedback. Better it gets to the devs. |
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| 09:42.50 | sanmarcos | I am using procmail to filter all my mail from /var/mail/marc automatically, using ~/.forward. I then access that mail using dovecot, the last rule drops all unmatched emails to the Main folder, howver, that doesnt match the Inbox folder for Imap clients such as evolution or sylpheed. I believe the right folder to filter to is INBOX, right ? |
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| 09:45.03 | unlink | why aren't my gtk applications (such as sylpheed and firefox) affected by my gnome themes, whereas gnome applications are? |
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| 09:45.59 | sanmarcos | unlink: because gnome apps use gnome-settings-daemon |
| 09:46.02 | sanmarcos | unlink: apt-get install switch |
| 09:46.09 | sanmarcos | unlink: or gtk-theme-switch, and use that |
| 09:46.22 | aRJAy | Your database must be configured to work with PHP. |
| 09:46.28 | aRJAy | How do I know that this is done? :) |
| 09:47.03 | unlink | sanmarcos: gtk2 apps, not gtk1 |
| 09:47.18 | sanmarcos | unlink: it applies to gtk2 |
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| 09:49.40 | tinloaf | hi. does amd64 not have openoffice.org-bin? ..and if yes is the answer, how to install openoffice on an amd64 machine? |
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| 09:51.27 | Anarka | not in sarge... maybe openoffice is available in backports |
| 09:52.13 | tinloaf | hum, so i'll have to search. thanks. |
| 09:52.18 | Anarka | backports.org |
| 09:52.22 | Anarka | go have a look |
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| 09:53.07 | cydork | tinloaf: check https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 09:53.19 | tinloaf | ah, thanks.. |
| 09:53.33 | aRJAy | what's the default u/p for mysql ? |
| 09:53.38 | tinloaf | empty |
| 09:53.42 | tinloaf | root / empty |
| 09:54.02 | aRJAy | tinloaf: hahah.. thank you L( |
| 09:54.03 | aRJAy | :) |
| 09:54.05 | aRJAy | even |
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| 09:55.53 | aRJAy | why can't my SugarCRM installation recognise MySql? It's suggesting that MySql is 'Unavailable'! |
| 09:55.55 | aRJAy | Help :) |
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| 09:58.03 | Anarka | is it available ? ;) |
| 09:58.16 | Anarka | aptitude install mysql-server |
| 09:58.39 | aRJAy | it's available and running.. from what I can see |
| 09:58.40 | nkuttler | aRJAy: check if mysql is running with mysql (1), configure your cms properly |
| 09:58.58 | aRJAy | nkuttler: I don't have any cms running. |
| 09:59.26 | aRJAy | any other ideas? |
| 09:59.36 | nkuttler | aRJAy: < aRJAy> why can't my SugarCRM installation recognise MySql? |
| 09:59.41 | nkuttler | erm, crm |
| 09:59.58 | aRJAy | yes... CRM and not CMS :) |
| 10:00.10 | aRJAy | nor PMS for that matter.. |
| 10:00.16 | unlink | sanmarcos: what's the canonical way of keeping gtk applications themed like gnome? |
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| 10:00.22 | nkuttler | aRJAy: whatever. step 1 is still valid. |
| 10:00.25 | unlink | sanmarcos: as in, what comes with gnome |
| 10:00.45 | sanmarcos | unlink: I dont think there is one, checkout .gtkrc, you might want to do a shell script to get the values from gconf |
| 10:00.47 | aRJAy | I have established that mysql is running.. |
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| 10:01.11 | nkuttler | aRJAy: could you be more vague? |
| 10:01.14 | unlink | sanmarcos: well, it works by default, and it doesn't work now |
| 10:01.32 | unlink | sanmarcos: and i never used gtk-theme-switch |
| 10:01.34 | aRJAy | nkuttler: probably.. if I tried. I'm not trying thoiugh. |
| 10:01.40 | unlink | sanmarcos: i mean, i never needed it to get this working |
| 10:01.52 | sanmarcos | unlink: what can I say? |
| 10:02.02 | sanmarcos | unlink: I can give you a hug |
| 10:02.04 | aRJAy | MySQL Database = Not Available |
| 10:02.12 | aRJAy | That's the error message I get |
| 10:02.25 | nkuttler | aRJAy: man 1 mysql, connect to it |
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| 10:02.58 | aRJAy | nkuttler: I have installed phpmysql and am logged in.. |
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| 10:10.19 | GooE | is network/30 considered a partitioned network?? |
| 10:10.42 | aRJAy | ok.. time to go..bbl |
| 10:10.43 | aRJAy | ~ |
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| 10:12.37 | GooE | ? |
| 10:13.22 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to write a shell script. One thing it needs to do is put an asterisk into a variable. How can I do this without it expanding into the filenames in the current directory? |
| 10:13.58 | scy | hi. is there a way to force remounting of a filesystem (/)? i want to mount it ro, but mount tells me that the fs is busy |
| 10:14.23 | nkuttler | utrrrongeeb: foo=\*; echo "$foo" |
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| 10:14.58 | utrrrongeeb | Okay, I'll try it that way... |
| 10:15.06 | J_1 | hi all |
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| 10:15.17 | etdsdvgfhrtz | where to get hacker toolz for debian? |
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| 10:15.29 | nkuttler | scy: why is it busy? |
| 10:15.56 | nkuttler | etdsdvgfhrtz: like? |
| 10:16.01 | etdsdvgfhrtz | ddos bot |
| 10:16.04 | scy | nkuttler: because it is the root filesystem |
| 10:16.10 | etdsdvgfhrtz | or something |
| 10:16.16 | nkuttler | scy: mount -o remount,rw doesn't work? |
| 10:16.25 | nkuttler | scy: err, ro |
| 10:16.38 | scy | nkuttler: no |
| 10:16.51 | scy | "mount -o remount,ro -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /" |
| 10:17.11 | scy | "mount: / is busy" etc. |
| 10:17.25 | scy | i want to change something on the filesystem with tune2fs |
| 10:17.37 | scy | therefore i have to mount it read only, temporary |
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| 10:19.57 | scy | no way to force a remount? |
| 10:20.18 | scy | if some error occurs, then / will also be remounted to ro |
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| 10:21.04 | nkuttler | scy: i guess you'll have to reboot then |
| 10:21.29 | scy | nkuttler: and then? |
| 10:21.53 | utrrrongeeb | Just wondering, but will the Magic SysRQ commands cause trouble if used to remount readonly in this situation? |
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| 10:22.13 | scy | rebooting with ro doesn't start sshd, afair. at least this was the case some weeks ago |
| 10:22.28 | nkuttler | scy: remote box? |
| 10:22.59 | scy | kind of. it is next to me, but without keyboard, optical drive or monitor |
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| 10:23.19 | scy | and i don't have anything of them to connect it with :) |
| 10:24.14 | scy | there has to be a way to mount it read only |
| 10:25.28 | utrrrongeeb | nkuttler: Will the Magic SysRQ keys cause trouble if scy uses them to remount read-only? |
| 10:25.43 | scy | utrrrongeeb: no keyboard |
| 10:26.30 | etdsdvgfhrtz | jews lol wtc lol |
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| 10:28.23 | nkuttler | scy: do you have a second linux box? |
| 10:28.39 | scy | nkuttler: yeah, this one. but its only a notebook. |
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| 10:32.30 | ilikewtc | j #ubuntu |
| 10:32.39 | Ronin | no thanks ilikewtc |
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| 10:38.25 | pussypower | lol jews lol wtc |
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| 10:45.36 | Loady|wo1k | is there a hardned debian support channel around? |
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| 10:47.42 | Ronin | Loady: what do you mean by hardend? |
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| 10:48.20 | Loady | selinux hardening of daemons etc. |
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| 10:49.46 | estong_ | need some help on troubleshooting dnsmasq. Debian router/firewall with shorewall installed can ping internet but local computers can not go out thru the firewall. |
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| 10:51.02 | estong_ | local computers can ping Debian router and vice versa. |
| 10:51.33 | estong_ | hints please. |
| 10:52.16 | estong_ | ps ax shows dnsmasq is running. |
| 10:53.09 | tralala | estong_, if anything it sounds as a shorewall problem and not a dnsmasq one |
| 10:53.46 | estong_ | i see. |
| 10:53.58 | aRJAy | MySQL Database = Not Available |
| 10:54.07 | aRJAy | Getting that error with a SugarCRM install |
| 10:54.14 | aRJAy | Can anyone offer some assistance/ |
| 10:54.15 | aRJAy | ? |
| 10:54.46 | estong_ | i tried putting "all all ACCEPT" in shorewall policy but it still no joy |
| 10:54.48 | aRJAy | N.B. My first Debian install. Not sure if all is configured correctly :) |
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| 10:55.07 | tralala | estong_, read some howtos |
| 10:55.27 | estong_ | :) actually, i was following a howto when i did the setup. |
| 10:55.43 | rpetre | aRJAy: you probably want to install the "mysql-server" package |
| 10:55.45 | estong_ | i followed it verbatim. |
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| 10:56.08 | tralala | estong_, a howto for setting up a router using shorewall? |
| 10:56.24 | estong_ | yup. |
| 10:56.32 | tralala | estong_, link? |
| 10:56.41 | estong_ | let me see |
| 10:56.51 | aRJAy | rpetre: I believe that I have done this already. I'm logged into mysql right now though phpmyadmin |
| 10:57.16 | cydork | estong_: also check /usr/share/doc/shorewall/examples/ |
| 10:58.08 | aRJAy | rpetre: So, I can see that it's working, but ...................... |
| 10:58.17 | rpetre | then you probably want to tell sugarcrm to use the server at localhost. sorry, haven't used it |
| 10:58.21 | aRJAy | wooops... seems like it's just started to work... |
| 10:58.25 | rpetre | lol |
| 10:58.27 | aRJAy | go figure! |
| 10:58.28 | aRJAy | heh |
| 10:58.48 | nachos | heyo |
| 10:58.59 | estong_ | amazing .. this pdf file that i downloaded doesn't have the author's name. |
| 10:59.04 | aRJAy | rpetre: your prayers and good thoughts have flown through the net and worked a charm. |
| 10:59.05 | nachos | I'm trying to install ruby from aptitude but it keeps on failing to find the packages. |
| 10:59.18 | aRJAy | rpetre: where shall I post the $50 I owe ya? |
| 10:59.20 | aRJAy | heh |
| 10:59.28 | rpetre | nevermind |
| 10:59.42 | rpetre | whenever you come to Romania, drop by for a beer |
| 10:59.49 | rpetre | :) |
| 11:00.04 | tralala | estong_, perhaps your howto-finding-skills can use some improvement |
| 11:00.15 | estong_ | he he he |
| 11:01.20 | estong_ | gotcha! |
| 11:01.22 | estong_ | http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/ |
| 11:01.33 | aRJAy | rpetre: no probs... deal. |
| 11:01.35 | estong_ | Updated 9/18/2006 |
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| 11:01.58 | aRJAy | rpetre: well.. seems that it's not working all to plan... got some setup probs.. fatal errors.. |
| 11:02.00 | aRJAy | hmm |
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| 11:05.25 | tralala | estong_, are you using NAT on your router? |
| 11:05.44 | estong_ | that is my goal. |
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| 11:06.15 | estong_ | something i just found in my /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:06.44 | phpnuborn | any simple way to change my command prompt? |
| 11:07.00 | estong_ | nameserver 172.29.1.1 (this ip is the ip address of the router's eth1) |
| 11:07.15 | tralala | estong_, does this command give you 1? 'sysctl -a | grep ip_forward' |
| 11:07.43 | cydork | phpnuborn: change $PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 11:07.51 | estong_ | yes |
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| 11:08.10 | nachos | hey |
| 11:08.11 | phpnuborn | and that is found where? |
| 11:08.17 | nachos | how do i update my package lists? |
| 11:08.30 | phpnuborn | man $command_prompt ? |
| 11:08.36 | cydork | phpnuborn: .bashrc |
| 11:08.37 | tralala | estong_, the nameserver is supposed to be your ISP's nameserver. Can you ping yahoo.com from the router? |
| 11:08.47 | phpnuborn | ok.. |
| 11:08.48 | cydork | nachos: apt-get update |
| 11:09.30 | estong_ | yes that could be the culprit. i have to disconnect from irc to test it. till then ... when i am back i hope to sing ur name, |
| 11:09.34 | nachos | thanks, figured it out anyway ;-) |
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| 11:10.51 | Feax | I installed nvidia officiel drivers, but when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 there is just nv, not nvidia ? How can I usenvidia ? |
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| 11:11.23 | Skiver | uhm.. |
| 11:11.38 | Skiver | !nvidia |
| 11:11.38 | dpkg | [nvidia] DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 11:12.08 | Skiver | Feax, ^^ |
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| 11:12.23 | Feax | Skiver that is my problem, nvidia installer is the best for me ;p |
| 11:12.33 | Skiver | y ? |
| 11:12.36 | Feax | yes |
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| 11:12.39 | Skiver | you need aiglx ? |
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| 11:12.56 | Feax | nope but nv sucks I want nvidia |
| 11:13.24 | Feax | Skiver you know how can I use nvidia ? |
| 11:13.42 | Skiver | !tell Feax about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:14.04 | Feax | Skiver I want nvidia not one-liner ! |
| 11:14.19 | Skiver | ok you can't get it.. |
| 11:14.22 | Skiver | let me see.. |
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| 11:20.33 | aRJAy | hmm.. and to restart apache2.... you... ? |
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| 11:21.35 | nkuttler | aRJAy: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 11:21.55 | snail | or apache2ctl |
| 11:23.18 | aRJAy | tah |
| 11:23.30 | aRJAy | apache2ctl means... ? |
| 11:23.33 | aRJAy | oh.. thanks btw. |
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| 11:24.37 | spyder404 | hi caramba !! |
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| 11:24.50 | spyder404 | what's upp !! |
| 11:25.05 | spyder404 | ok |
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| 11:27.32 | hiperBob | hello room ;-) |
| 11:28.46 | tralala | dpkg, room? |
| 11:28.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:29.31 | estong_ | no joy, tralala. |
| 11:29.58 | estong_ | local comp can't connect thru router/firewall. |
| 11:30.38 | hiperBob | if is good to write a new OS or develop an OS that exist before? |
| 11:30.54 | Skiver | estong_, local comp using what os? |
| 11:31.05 | estong_ | linux |
| 11:31.15 | tralala | estong_, is the router able to ping external hosts? |
| 11:31.21 | estong_ | yes |
| 11:31.43 | tralala | estong_, are the clients able to resolve names? |
| 11:31.51 | estong_ | no. |
| 11:32.03 | tralala | are they configured to use the router as a nameserver? |
| 11:32.08 | estong_ | yes |
| 11:32.34 | estong_ | the route command gives the correct setting |
| 11:32.41 | tarzeau | i'm not sure if this is good or bad for debian: (if you can access it) http://computing.ee.ethz.ch/neptun/linux/ |
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| 11:32.56 | tralala | estong_, as a _nameserver_ not gateway |
| 11:32.58 | hiperBob | welcome britto |
| 11:33.25 | estong_ | the clients ns and gw are both set to the local ip of the router. |
| 11:33.26 | britto | thanks for your invitation hiperBob |
| 11:34.11 | Skiver | estong_, set ns to your isp's dns ? |
| 11:34.19 | hiperBob | ;D I'm a newone is IRC |
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| 11:34.24 | estong_ | i tried that. |
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| 11:34.55 | hiperBob | may I chat with a expert OS developer? |
| 11:35.04 | estong_ | can i utilize the log to see what is happening? |
| 11:35.15 | estong_ | i am not sure which one though. |
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| 11:36.10 | estong_ | btw, if i replace the debian router/firewall with monowall, everything works without changing anything at the client. |
| 11:36.22 | tralala | estong_, so the router does the name resolution and pings the external hosts but the clients don't? |
| 11:36.36 | estong_ | exactly. |
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| 11:37.38 | nkuttler | estong_: um, is that a debian router or some other device? |
| 11:37.52 | estong_ | debian 3.1, no less. |
| 11:38.09 | nkuttler | estong_: you can't ping external ips? is NAT configured on the router? |
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| 11:38.55 | estong_ | NAT? i installed dnsmasq. |
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| 11:39.26 | tralala | estong_, linux clients? |
| 11:39.33 | estong_ | yup. |
| 11:39.38 | tralala | nkuttler, yes it is |
| 11:39.41 | estong_ | two of them. |
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| 11:40.23 | tralala | estong_, I want you to run 'dig @routerip yahoo.com +short' on a client |
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| 11:41.07 | estong_ | can't do that right now. i have to disconnect and reconnect the debian router. |
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| 11:41.30 | derek[] | Hi |
| 11:41.57 | derek[] | If the dist-upgrade breaks in between (due to internet disconnectivity), can it be resumed? |
| 11:42.20 | estong_ | i just executed that from this comp just now. it says: dig: couldn't get address for 'routerip': not found |
| 11:42.31 | estong_ | ops! |
| 11:42.33 | estong_ | sorry |
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| 11:43.22 | estong_ | tralala, is that ip the remote or the local? |
| 11:43.27 | tralala | local |
| 11:43.33 | E-bola | Hello. I have just installed debian sarge on a server with 3.5gb ram, its only showing ~900mb ram. Whats the easiest way to get the kernel to recognize allt he ram? |
| 11:43.40 | E-bola | Can it be done without recompiling? |
| 11:44.10 | estong_ | tralala: ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
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| 11:46.21 | tralala | estong_, is the router connected to the local network? |
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| 11:46.52 | estong_ | yes. i even commandeer it through ssh |
| 11:47.17 | Skiver | E-bola, i have kernel version ends with -bigmem |
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| 11:48.24 | E-bola | U cant config it by passing the kernel a parameter or something at startup? |
| 11:48.40 | tralala | estong_, are you sure you have linked correctly the shorewall interfaces to the zones? |
| 11:48.50 | bmc | so, have any of you debian fiends noticed that a certain (non-google) web search engine gives better results for debian administration / unix learning than others? or is google king? |
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| 11:49.16 | estong_ | which file to look? |
| 11:49.27 | cydork | bmc: http://vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html use that :P |
| 11:49.34 | tralala | estong_, http://www.birthdaynator.de/index.php?AREA=18&ACTION=speedbandits.swf&WIDTH=375&HEIGHT=342 |
| 11:49.37 | Skiver | E-bola, afaik you have to recompile to do that. |
| 11:49.43 | tralala | ops, mistake |
| 11:49.58 | tralala | estong_, /etc/shorewall/interfaces (it's part of the howto) |
| 11:50.05 | estong_ | tooo laaate! |
| 11:50.07 | estong_ | :) |
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| 11:50.49 | bmc | cydork, you are my favourite debian hacker of the month :) |
| 11:50.56 | estong_ | yes. they are ok. |
| 11:50.57 | E-bola | Skiver the smp kernels supposedly have highmem enabled, do you knwo how much ram they support? |
| 11:51.18 | tralala | estong_, is dnsmasq running on the router? |
| 11:51.20 | cydork | bmc: thanks :) |
| 11:51.28 | bmc | aha, it's me! |
| 11:51.30 | estong_ | ps ax shows it is |
| 11:51.38 | bmc | er |
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| 11:52.17 | estong_ | i think we have covered almost all aspects of it. perhaps a reboot would do the trick. |
| 11:52.30 | chemaja | <-- bmc |
| 11:52.39 | tralala | estong_, this is _not_ windows |
| 11:52.41 | eps | mmm what is a good media spliting app? I need to do some video editing of several different codecs |
| 11:52.50 | estong_ | LOL |
| 11:52.52 | cydork | chemaja: hehe |
| 11:53.05 | tralala | estong_, is dnsmasq running? |
| 11:53.22 | estong_ | yes it is running. |
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| 11:55.18 | estong_ | this is commented in dnsmasq.conf: "# interface=eth1" |
| 11:55.47 | diilbertAtWork | is eth1 the WAN interface ? |
| 11:55.54 | estong_ | the local |
| 11:56.08 | diilbertAtWork | It should be uncommented |
| 11:56.15 | diilbertAtWork | for dhcp to work |
| 11:56.16 | estong_ | but the notes says: "If you want dnsmasq to listen for requests only on specified interfaces " |
| 11:56.21 | estong_ | so i did not bother. |
| 11:56.31 | estong_ | btw, am not using dhcp. |
| 11:56.42 | estong_ | is that required by dnsmasq? |
| 11:56.43 | diilbertAtWork | I missed that part ;) |
| 11:56.58 | estong_ | it meant to catch u. :) |
| 11:57.17 | diilbertAtWork | no dnsmasg does dhcp for LANs too... that is what I just set it up for I forgot about the obvious DNS ability :p |
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| 11:58.26 | cunzhang | why mediawiki is installed /var/lib/ but not /var/www ? |
| 11:58.29 | tralala | estong_, are there any rejected packets in /var/log/syslog (router) |
| 11:59.20 | Skiver | E-bola : no idea. |
| 11:59.24 | E-bola | ok |
| 11:59.35 | estong_ | no. but i have plenty of these: "no IPv6 routers present" |
| 12:00.18 | estong_ | in one blog, i read this: "I couldn't understand why lookup was taking so long with dnsmasq. Turns out that debian uses IPv6 by default, but other elements (DSL modem/ISP?) of course don't." |
| 12:00.53 | estong_ | any relation to the problem at hand? |
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| 12:03.33 | tralala | estong_, add a couple of records in /etc/hosts (router) and try to dig them (client) |
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| 12:04.31 | Skiver | disable net-pf-10 ? |
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| 12:04.41 | estong_ | may i know the reason why I should do it? |
| 12:05.12 | tralala | to test if the dnsmasq can be reached by the clients |
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| 12:05.25 | estong_ | ok |
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| 12:06.14 | estong_ | so dig at the client tests the local dns functionality at the router. |
| 12:07.08 | tralala | as long as you dig @routerip |
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| 12:08.08 | estong_ | dnsmasq answered correctly. |
| 12:08.56 | estong_ | i said: "dig @routerip hostnameoflocalcomp |
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| 12:09.26 | tralala | what is hostnameoflocalcomp |
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| 12:09.50 | estong_ | dig @172.29.15.254 wkstation1 |
| 12:10.12 | estong_ | it then gave me the ip of wkstation1 which is 172.29.15.16 |
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| 12:10.25 | tralala | and there is a record wkstation1 in /etc/hosts of the router? |
| 12:10.43 | estong_ | yes, i just added it. |
| 12:10.47 | tralala | good |
| 12:11.12 | estong_ | so dnsmasq is working. |
| 12:11.29 | phpnuborn | in my .bashrc is this.. PS1="\n[\u@\h \W]\\$ " i added the \n which seems to work.. now i want to replace \w which is the current directory.. i am looking for a bash variable for pwd (present working directory).. any one have a suggestion.. ? |
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| 12:11.52 | estong_ | at least for resolving ... using /etc/hosts |
| 12:11.53 | tralala | this means that either your clients are not correctly configured to use the router as nameserver, or the actual routing of the router doesn't work. It's likely the first thing. |
| 12:11.56 | aRJAy | ok.. something very weird is going on. Please help. I've just recently installed Debian. I've installed apache2, mysql-server, phpmyadmin and a few other things. I've also installed Joomla and SugarCRM. When logging into phpmyadmin I'm able to create databases with no problem. When trying to install both/either Joomla and/or SugarCRM I get errors indicating that mysql is not available. Can someone please help to shed some light on this topic, p |
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| 12:12.21 | tralala | estong_, what happens if you dig the same name without @routerip? |
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| 12:13.11 | estong_ | no ip is given |
| 12:13.20 | mrstocks | Hi, i have a domain name called "troupe-lescontentpourien-test.info" all my other domain work, and DNS server is on the server to, when i tail -f syslog i see the domain name loaded, a whois on the host name gives me the correct nameservers, but when i ping it, i end up on some domain parking crap, any ideas ? |
| 12:13.28 | mrstocks | COuld you try to ping troupe-lescontentpourien-test.info ? |
| 12:13.43 | tralala | estong_, your clients are not configured correctly. The router is most likely working just fine. |
| 12:13.44 | estong_ | is it possible that dnsmasq uses hosts but not resolv.conf? |
| 12:13.56 | mrstocks | Even when i ping it in local i get crap. |
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| 12:14.39 | estong_ | i will test dig to verify resolution of internet hosts. tnx tralala. |
| 12:14.44 | tralala | mrstocks, there is no such host |
| 12:15.23 | estong_ | will have to disconnect, eat dinner and test again. bye for now. |
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| 12:17.42 | cydork | chemaja: are you using firefox2? |
| 12:17.53 | chemaja | cydork, not right now... at work |
| 12:17.55 | chemaja | cydork, why |
| 12:18.22 | cydork | chemaja: i just added firefox 2 engine for that page. it should work when you go to that page |
| 12:18.32 | chemaja | cydork, it's a great page |
| 12:18.36 | cydork | chemaja: cant test it now :P |
| 12:18.43 | chemaja | cydork, neither |
| 12:18.53 | chemaja | cydork, and i gotta run. will be here again in 9h |
| 12:19.03 | chemaja | :) |
| 12:19.03 | chemaja | ciao |
| 12:19.12 | cydork | chemaja: ciao |
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| 12:40.57 | whadar | !resoltion |
| 12:41.02 | whadar | !resolution |
| 12:41.02 | dpkg | it has been said that resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
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| 12:43.39 | blondie | is fuse meant to work with 2.4.27 on debian? |
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| 12:44.18 | Assid | heya |
| 12:44.26 | Assid | how do you re-generate a ssh key ? |
| 12:44.29 | Assid | the servers key |
| 12:45.02 | whadar | !drxx |
| 12:45.03 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 12:49.30 | whadar | im using etch and have max resolution of 1024*768... how can i configure 1280*1024? (my screen support this resolution) |
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| 12:54.39 | thegve | whadar: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:55.00 | thegve | whadar: You can see the available options under "screen" |
| 12:55.46 | thegve | whadar: But most likely this is set already OK. Are you sure the proper driver is used and it doesn't use a default "vesa" driver? |
| 12:56.21 | thegve | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.21 | thegve | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.21 | thegve | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.21 | thegve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.27 | thegve | "sorry" for pasting here :) |
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| 12:59.18 | E-bola | How can i get the GPG key for the volatile mirror? |
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| 13:01.39 | thegve | I have a question about exim in debian. I'm trying to have exim authenticate with an external imap server, one that has a control panel where users can change their passwords etc.., I included the perl script that is on the exim wiki for this, but it doesn't work. |
| 13:01.45 | thegve | it gives me the error: Undefined subroutine &main::imapLogin called. |
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| 13:03.50 | thegve | Hehe, that was a small mistake in IRC commands :) |
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| 13:12.41 | ThomasPorter2 | Hey.. if I wanted to add sub-domains.. using my DNS server.. would I have to set my server as the primary server.. then as the secondary do nothing? |
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| 13:13.30 | tsk_ | Hi, I'm very new to Linux... I have recompiled my kernel (same as I have running) and ran the dpkg -i kernelblaah.deb (renamed the /lib/modules/2.6.12.3/kernel directory) is there anything else I need to do in order to get my modules in the right place? Cous I seem to miss the "ds" module for my PCMCIA slot..? |
| 13:15.08 | Braindead | tsk_: "very new to linux" and "recompiled my kernel" already sound very bad,anyway... |
| 13:15.13 | Braindead | !tell tsk_ about kernel-package |
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| 13:15.46 | Braindead | ah you packaged...the rename part really is a bad sign,anyway |
| 13:16.14 | dererk[work] | ! force logrotate |
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| 13:16.18 | dererk[work] | ! logrotate |
| 13:16.18 | dpkg | i guess logrotate is a log rotation program that sings |
| 13:16.21 | dererk[work] | :\ |
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| 13:16.38 | Braindead | dererk[work]: install anacron. that should do the job if your machine isn't on 24/7 |
| 13:16.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | tsk_, Check the debian reference manual, there's a very nice part about the debian way to compile your kernel |
| 13:17.27 | christefano | hello. one of my colleagues did an apt-get install of MySQL and PHP5 over my previous installation -- without removing or purging the old stuff. would this cause enough problems to warrant reinstalling from scratch? |
| 13:17.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | tsk_, How very new are you ? |
| 13:17.48 | ayaa | i have a message like this: xserver-xorg: failed to load bitmap module,how to know wich package does provide that module ? |
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| 13:19.06 | tsk_ | Ox0F0-0FF, very new |
| 13:19.17 | christefano | does anyone have an opinion on this? |
| 13:19.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | Well, how long ago did you start playing with the penguin ? |
| 13:19.40 | nachos | christefano: was the origonal install installed via apt-get? |
| 13:19.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | ...and have you ever dealth with an other unix before ? |
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| 13:20.02 | christefano | I installed it with aptitude and she used apt-get install |
| 13:20.03 | Braindead | and above all: do you feel the sudden urge to compile kernel? |
| 13:20.06 | dererk[work] | Braindead, it it, but I've right now a _huge_ log that I need to rotate |
| 13:20.24 | Braindead | dererk[work]: man logrotate isn't enough? |
| 13:20.31 | dererk[work] | s/it it/it is/ |
| 13:20.39 | dererk[work] | Braindead, I'm reading it right now :) |
| 13:20.41 | tsk_ | Ox0F0-0FF, yes, I am a fbsd user |
| 13:20.47 | nachos | I wish i could help you out more christefano but i don't know that much about how debian handles packages. |
| 13:20.49 | dererk[work] | was reading* |
| 13:20.59 | dererk[work] | dpkg, slap me |
| 13:21.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | tsk_, Well, simply stick to debian reference, it's the equivalent of the handbook |
| 13:21.11 | christefano | that's okay, thanks for taking the time |
| 13:21.12 | dererk[work] | I'm terrible today |
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| 13:22.08 | tsk_ | Ox0F0-0FF, I dont like to read... do you? |
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| 13:22.32 | thegve | I'll reask my question, does anyone know how to get exim authenticating with an external IMAP server? |
| 13:22.40 | notme | hi guys |
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| 13:22.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | tsk_, I do LOVE to read if the right information is there and I know I will save a shit load of time and same my OS from a bad kernel |
| 13:22.52 | christefano | apt-get install softmoney |
| 13:23.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | s/same/save |
| 13:23.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | Actually, I'm surprised of your statement, you, a fbsd user |
| 13:23.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | How do you even deal with fbsd without readin ? |
| 13:23.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh |
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| 13:23.59 | lord_rob | Hi ! How can I make a link /dev/dvd to /dev/hda using udev ? |
| 13:24.02 | christefano | can anyone answer this? one of my colleagues did an apt-get install of MySQL and PHP5 over my previous installation -- (using aptitude) without removing or purging it. |
| 13:24.04 | christefano | would this cause enough problems to warrant reinstalling from scratch? |
| 13:24.06 | Ox0F0-0FF | You sure more sound like a windows user... |
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| 13:24.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, I don't think it would do bad stuff |
| 13:25.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, if it would conflict, the previous package would be removed first |
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| 13:25.39 | christefano | I'm not sure what these PHP errors are then. you can see them at http://fab.cba.mit.edu/phpinfo.php |
| 13:25.51 | Tealc | is it possible to install PHP5 to apache 1.3 from debian mirror |
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| 13:26.17 | epsilon | Tealc: using testing, yes |
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| 13:26.29 | Tealc | im using something other than testing |
| 13:26.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, Well, It's an error in the source code |
| 13:26.42 | Tealc | im using Sarge |
| 13:26.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | the require_once function is not pointing to the right files |
| 13:26.56 | epsilon | then not from a debian mirror |
| 13:26.56 | tralala | Tealc, check the backports then |
| 13:27.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | Might be the include_path or something in the PHP config |
| 13:27.24 | christefano | would the reinstall of PHP over my old installation have done that? |
| 13:27.58 | Tealc | tralala i didnt find the backports mirror |
| 13:28.13 | tralala | Tealc, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:28.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, It might have modified your php.ini or have a different location of php.ini for PHP5 depending maybe on your package... just check your php.ini |
| 13:28.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | or modify your source |
| 13:28.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, Do you have a /srv/phpinfo.php ? |
| 13:28.59 | christefano | I sure do |
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| 13:29.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, sorry |
| 13:29.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | bad writting |
| 13:29.14 | nachos | happy 10/11 everyone! |
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| 13:29.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | do you have a /srv/libraries/common.lib.php ? |
| 13:30.11 | christefano | no, there's no /srv/libraries |
| 13:30.15 | derjohn | I try to setup a csv server with the debian package. Do I have to create a new repo? Or does the package do so for me ? |
| 13:30.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, what "locate common.lib.php" returns ? |
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| 13:31.08 | christefano | it's in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/common.lib.php |
| 13:31.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok |
| 13:31.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | so you have to add to your include_path in your php.ini /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 13:32.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | then restart your httpd if php is installed as httpd module.... That should do it |
| 13:32.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | should be restarted aswell if it's installed as fastcgi I think |
| 13:32.22 | christefano | hmm okay let's do it |
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| 13:34.08 | christefano | same error as before |
| 13:34.19 | Tealc | tralala looks like it wants to remove and install some new packagaes with the PHP5 |
| 13:34.27 | Tealc | when using backports |
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| 13:34.35 | Tealc | libapache-mod-php5 |
| 13:34.38 | christefano | Ox0F0-0FF, thanks for the help |
| 13:34.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | You're welcome :) |
| 13:34.56 | christefano | Ox0F0-0FF, I'm going to get someone at the department to fix this one |
| 13:34.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | same error ? |
| 13:35.05 | christefano | exact same one |
| 13:35.08 | dings | What X packages are needed to provide x-forwaring? (ssh -X) |
| 13:35.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | you micht have done it wrong |
| 13:35.26 | Ox0F0-0FF | are you sure to have modified the right php.ini ? |
| 13:35.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | and did you restart your httpd ? |
| 13:35.48 | christefano | there's only one include_path to edit (well, two but the second one was for Windows configuration). |
| 13:35.52 | christefano | I did. |
| 13:36.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | Well, call "someone at the departement" then |
| 13:36.52 | christefano | :) |
| 13:36.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | :P |
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| 13:37.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | Who broke it ? |
| 13:37.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | call the ne who broke it without testing if the shit was working.... |
| 13:37.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 13:37.44 | ayaa | on some docs, it says " at the boot prompt, use parameters : 'sata.i' to use a 2.4 kernel with sata drivers.", i dont know what to write on the brub menu, can you help me please ? |
| 13:37.51 | christefano | I'm CCing the email to the whole team |
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| 13:38.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, Lemme guess about something, your machine is a ubuntu machine ? |
| 13:38.39 | derjohn | ayaa, you need a kernel with sata modules built . debian usually put the stuff into an initrd. |
| 13:38.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | not a debian |
| 13:39.13 | christefano | yes, however I came in with a question about apt-get so I figured it was safe to ask |
| 13:39.15 | ayaa | derjohn, what do you suggest me so, i need to install debian on my new laptop |
| 13:39.20 | derjohn | ayaa, i dunno about kernel 2.4 status, but I think many sata driver have been backported. Why dont you use a 2.6 ? |
| 13:39.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, Well, with time, more and more ubuntu gets different. From now on, it's safer asking in #ubuntu |
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| 13:39.47 | ThomasPorter | I've just setup my server as a DNS server and to use ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com... how would I configure my domain.com on my provider (namecheap)? |
| 13:39.50 | derjohn | ayaa, take debian "etch" installer. you will have other problem with an old 2.4 based debian on that machine probably. |
| 13:39.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | especialy considering the packages are different |
| 13:40.03 | christefano | very true |
| 13:40.07 | ayaa | DerJamster, |
| 13:40.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | you should use debian to ask here |
| 13:40.19 | ayaa | derjohn, entering linux26 at boot ? |
| 13:40.31 | derjohn | ayaa, etch should be 2.6 be default |
| 13:40.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, What pushed you to ask here ? Are they so lame in #ubuntu ? |
| 13:41.02 | christefano | they were, well... less than helpful |
| 13:41.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, Why not installing debian then, instead of ubuntu ? |
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| 13:42.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | christefano, Think about it :) |
| 13:42.01 | christefano | it actually wasn't my choice to go with ubuntu. I've used debian ppc much longer than I've used ubuntu |
| 13:42.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | debian is a serious distribution |
| 13:42.21 | christefano | it was the department head's choice |
| 13:42.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 13:42.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | Lemme guess, people that never deal with the computers but make the decisions about it |
| 13:43.07 | christefano | right now I'd rather hire you to set things up :) |
| 13:43.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | You can |
| 13:43.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | I can work through ssh |
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| 13:43.42 | christefano | if only it were so easy. sigh |
| 13:43.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) |
| 13:43.58 | christefano | thank you again for your help, Ox0F0-0FF. you've been awesome |
| 13:44.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | Well, good luck anyways :) |
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| 13:44.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh, it's not fixed |
| 13:44.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | but yw |
| 13:44.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | anyone else nees help ? |
| 13:44.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok... I go back coding then... |
| 13:44.52 | oOGneaOo | your mom :) |
| 13:45.19 | itchi | Have someone experience with the ipw3945? When i try to load the module i get the following errror: http://pastebin.ca/244184 |
| 13:45.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | I'm 12000 kilometers away from my mom, I live this to dad :P |
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| 13:46.22 | oOGneaOo | itchi: did you compil it? |
| 13:46.46 | oOGneaOo | compile* |
| 13:46.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, sounds like a conflict version... |
| 13:46.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | Why using an unstable kernel anyways ? |
| 13:47.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | ah, no, forgot this last statement |
| 13:47.27 | oOGneaOo | 2.6.17 is unstable since when? |
| 13:47.30 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 13:47.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | Sound like a conflict version... where does this module comes from ? |
| 13:48.14 | estong_ | tralala, back to the debian router issue. i observed something which i don't understand. |
| 13:48.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | oOGneaOo, Since your mom added a patch |
| 13:48.31 | itchi | And how solve it this conflict? I think i did nothings bad, just have follow the instructions on ipw site |
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| 13:48.52 | estong_ | From the wkstation, i can do dig google,com or nslookup google.com but NOT ping google.com |
| 13:48.55 | oOGneaOo | Ox0F0-0FF: touche :) |
| 13:49.04 | itchi | I run Etch here on the brand new laptop, forget Sarge for this. |
| 13:49.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | oOGneaOo, J'aissaierais pas de te couler :P |
| 13:49.28 | oOGneaOo | !english |
| 13:49.28 | dpkg | somebody said english was a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
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| 13:49.41 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Yes, i have compile the stuff, just did make, like noted |
| 13:50.10 | ThomasPorter | Colour is spelt colour :S Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know english |
| 13:50.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | oOGneaOo, Sorry, the word you said is french, I thought you were talking to me in french. |
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| 13:50.33 | oOGneaOo | Ox0F0-0FF: i used a regular 'e' at the end ;) |
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| 13:50.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, Well, I'm not sure about your issue. Might be a bad hardware, a version conflict, or anything else.... |
| 13:51.08 | itchi | Ox0F0-0FF: It still work in that diabolic os |
| 13:51.10 | oOGneaOo | itchi: can you paste the output of modinfo ipw3945? |
| 13:51.25 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Gona pastebin it |
| 13:51.32 | oOGneaOo | right. |
| 13:51.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, Maybe getting an other kernel ? 2.6.18 is there... Maybe this is a bug that's now fixed... |
| 13:52.04 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Could not find the module he tell |
| 13:52.44 | estong_ | what could be wrong? i can do nslookup or dig from a client using the router's dnsmasq but not ping. |
| 13:52.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | could not find the module ? |
| 13:52.54 | oOGneaOo | itchi: if there's no module, then what produces this error? what is the output of this command: cat /proc/version and this command: file /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw3945.ko |
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| 13:53.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | estong_, some google servers won't ping back |
| 13:53.33 | estong_ | but i can ping from the router. |
| 13:53.35 | itchi | Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 |
| 13:53.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's a protection against ICMP attacks |
| 13:53.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 13:53.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | maybe the router itself blocks your pings ? |
| 13:54.04 | itchi | /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw3945.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 13:54.04 | estong_ | how do i check that? |
| 13:54.07 | oOGneaOo | estong_: use UDP for ping |
| 13:54.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | firewall rules |
| 13:54.24 | estong_ | i just removed shorewall. |
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| 13:54.45 | oOGneaOo | itchi: have you run depmod -a |
| 13:54.50 | estong_ | how do i use UDP for ping? |
| 13:54.57 | oOGneaOo | estong_: man ping |
| 13:54.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | bbl, lunch time |
| 13:55.02 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Yes, can i do it again, to be sure? |
| 13:55.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | -PU |
| 13:55.19 | oOGneaOo | itchi: it won't hurt |
| 13:55.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, depending on your ping version... I dono if it's the way in debian's |
| 13:55.23 | sohmestra | estong_: did you check that all the firewall rules are removed as well? iptables --list |
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| 13:56.37 | oOGneaOo | estong_: try searching apt for ping udp |
| 13:56.40 | estong_ | actually removing all those firewalls is the least of my intentions. |
| 13:57.24 | itchi | I have not download the package 'ieee80211-1.1.14.tgz' i have just apt-get it, should it be that? |
| 13:57.26 | estong_ | but i am desperate so i just did apt-get remove iptables. now, i have a bare debian 3.1 with just dnsmasq. |
| 13:57.41 | oOGneaOo | itchi: dunno |
| 13:58.08 | Skiver | estong_, you said your router box's log had many ipv6 request ? |
| 13:58.08 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Have you an ipw bassed card? |
| 13:58.08 | estong_ | i said that, yes. |
| 13:58.08 | oOGneaOo | estong_: seriously, that's pretty dumb. |
| 13:58.09 | oOGneaOo | itchi: no. |
| 13:58.12 | sohmestra | estong_: removing the iptables program won't remove the firewall rules..it will leave you unable to view or modify them |
| 13:58.29 | estong_ | oh uh! |
| 13:58.37 | oOGneaOo | better reinstall it fast |
| 13:58.52 | estong_ | i must have misunderstood the hint. |
| 13:59.21 | sohmestra | estong_: as root, type this: iptables --list |
| 13:59.35 | sohmestra | estong_: that should display any rules in your "filter" table |
| 13:59.48 | oOGneaOo | why use --list when you can use -L? |
| 13:59.53 | oOGneaOo | less to type :P |
| 14:00.08 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: easier to read and understand ;o) |
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| 14:00.22 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: less chance of developing carpal tunnel >;) |
| 14:00.27 | estong_ | no rules whatsoever. |
| 14:00.36 | Skiver | estong_, try to disable ipv6 on one of your clients ? |
| 14:00.59 | estong_ | more info on how to do that. |
| 14:01.17 | oOGneaOo | estong_: what about iptables -nvL ? are there any defined policies that aren't set to ACCEPT? |
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| 14:01.43 | estong_ | none whatsoever |
| 14:01.50 | WerdnaServer | Hey, I need gcc 3.4 to compile something, but debian will only let me install 4.1 |
| 14:01.57 | oOGneaOo | so then, what can't you ping? |
| 14:02.08 | estong_ | that is the BIG question. |
| 14:02.12 | oOGneaOo | WerdnaServer: that's bullshit. apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 14:02.20 | Skiver | estong_, i have "#alias net-pf-10 off" in my /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:02.27 | Skiver | i just uncommented it.. |
| 14:02.33 | h3sp4wn | WerdnaServer: install gcc-3.4 (its a package) |
| 14:02.47 | WerdnaServer | ah. Already had it installed, had to remove then reinstall |
| 14:02.57 | sohmestra | estong_: what is the output of this command: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward |
| 14:02.58 | WerdnaServer | done, but.. |
| 14:02.59 | WerdnaServer | bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No such file or directory |
| 14:03.03 | oOGneaOo | estong_: you still have yet to define what you mean by "i can't use ping" |
| 14:03.08 | tralala | estong_, so dig from the client works without the @server hint? |
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| 14:03.09 | oOGneaOo | WerdnaServer: so then make a symlink |
| 14:03.11 | estong_ | my /etc/modules.conf is empty |
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| 14:03.19 | estong_ | yes tralala |
| 14:03.37 | oOGneaOo | estong_: does the ping command exist |
| 14:03.42 | WerdnaServer | yaygcc version 3.4.6 (Debian 3.4.6-4) |
| 14:03.49 | estong_ | ping google.com does not work on the wkstation but it does work on the debian router. |
| 14:03.50 | sohmestra | estong_: check to ensure that you've got ip forwarding enabled on your router. |
| 14:04.08 | oOGneaOo | estong_: but you said that ping didn't work on the router |
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| 14:04.13 | estong_ | ping at the wkstation works for local ips. |
| 14:04.25 | estong_ | thru the router |
| 14:04.26 | oOGneaOo | oh wait, nevermind |
| 14:04.29 | tralala | estong_, did you do invoke-rc.d shorewall start? |
| 14:04.44 | oOGneaOo | estong_: then you didn't setup SNAT right |
| 14:04.46 | estong_ | i removed shorewall tralala |
| 14:05.04 | oOGneaOo | estong_: is ip forwarding turned on in the kernel on the router? |
| 14:05.08 | estong_ | SNAT, that is a possible clue |
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| 14:05.27 | tralala | estong_, then your NAT setting have gone |
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| 14:05.41 | oOGneaOo | !nat |
| 14:05.42 | dpkg | it has been said that nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 14:05.43 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: I've already asked that 2x.. |
| 14:05.44 | tralala | you dont have SNAT rules and ip_forward is likely disabled |
| 14:05.53 | itchi | But when i do './load DEBUG=0' He tell me that he have not find my wifi card :-/ |
| 14:06.01 | estong_ | kernel ip forwarding? not so sure, i installed debian 3.1 r2 and updated it. it is a bare install. |
| 14:06.17 | oOGneaOo | estong_: so you've never done this before? |
| 14:06.19 | estong_ | NAT setting, how do i put it back |
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| 14:06.37 | tralala | estong_, why did you remove shorewall in the first place? |
| 14:06.40 | sohmestra | estong_: type this: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward |
| 14:06.43 | estong_ | i have done this a lot on many linuxes. i failed on debian. |
| 14:06.49 | sohmestra | estong_: and tell us what it says |
| 14:06.51 | oOGneaOo | !ip forwarding |
| 14:06.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ip forwarding is enabled by "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". Insert that line to the boot scripts so it's done every time the system is booted, or in debian, edit /etc/network/options and add (or change) ip_forward=yes, or dnsmaaq and ipmasq seem to have to be installed, try that if it dont just work. in sid use sysctl and /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:07.20 | estong_ | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 |
| 14:07.20 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: no, he's not using sid. |
| 14:07.25 | estong_ | gotcha! |
| 14:07.27 | sohmestra | estong_: that's your problem |
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| 14:07.32 | oOGneaOo | estong_: forget what sohmestra said. |
| 14:07.41 | oOGneaOo | estong_: you need to edit /etc/network/options |
| 14:07.42 | estong_ | ? |
| 14:07.47 | oOGneaOo | you're using sarge, right? |
| 14:07.52 | estong_ | yup |
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| 14:08.00 | sohmestra | estong_: he doesn't have to be useing sid for that to be valid |
| 14:08.01 | S4nD3r | how to open chm files in sarge box ? |
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| 14:08.29 | S4nD3r | how to open chm files in sarge box ? |
| 14:08.34 | S4nD3r | ops.. sorry... |
| 14:08.37 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: it is not an official debian sarge method. |
| 14:09.05 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: it's a standard *nix method. |
| 14:09.11 | tralala | S4nD3r, xchm or chmlib |
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| 14:09.38 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: this is specifically debian gnu/linux. |
| 14:09.50 | estong_ | i edited /etc/network/options, should this be he setting? ip_forward=yes |
| 14:09.50 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: and, specifically, it's sarge. |
| 14:09.53 | tralala | oOGneaOo, sysctl > echo |
| 14:09.55 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: so? |
| 14:10.00 | oOGneaOo | estong_: yes. |
| 14:10.12 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: so respect it and you will be respected. |
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| 14:10.39 | ThomasPorter | How do I restart my DNS server? |
| 14:10.40 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: whatever. debian is linux. linux is unix. |
| 14:10.44 | estong_ | so u people think this will work now? bets on the table please. |
| 14:10.59 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: and boundaries must be respected. |
| 14:11.17 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: it's not a boundry. it's well _within_ boundries. |
| 14:11.27 | itchi | arg shit of wifi card |
| 14:11.29 | estong_ | hey guys, i am not complaining that i have been working on this the whole day now. |
| 14:11.42 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: he's asking how to do something, and I told him how it could be done. |
| 14:11.42 | felipe2 | estong_: what will work? |
| 14:11.50 | ThomasPorter | estong: I've been working on my server for 2 years |
| 14:11.52 | oOGneaOo | estong_: that will only solve part of the problem. the other half of the problem is getting the proper forwarding done with iptables and shorewall. |
| 14:12.05 | estong_ | ooow. |
| 14:12.09 | Skiver | lol |
| 14:13.03 | estong_ | i will have to disconnect to test the revised setup. so c u around. |
| 14:13.10 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: and I'm telling you that there are certain protocols within the various branches of Debian that should be adhered to. if he performs an upgrade or something later on, or decides to upgrade to etch in a few months when it becomes the new stable, then the answer you've given him now could likely screw his system up. |
| 14:13.18 | Skiver | estong_, come back soon. |
| 14:13.25 | estong_ | ok |
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| 14:13.53 | itchi | Is it normal that the ieee 1394 take the eth0 ? |
| 14:14.06 | oOGneaOo | itchi: if there isn't an eth0 already, sure |
| 14:14.26 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Because my wifi nor my ethernet card will work |
| 14:14.42 | oOGneaOo | itchi: is there an irq conflict? |
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| 14:15.38 | itchi | oOGneaOo: I think not, he not complain in dmesg, message and so, just when i try to load that module. I think theres is somethings wrong with the ipw3945, but not yet sure. Did that procedure now for the 6 time |
| 14:16.32 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: that's bs. unless there is a radical change in the linux kernel, what I told him will be valid for years to come. debian doesn't screw with sysctl interfaces. |
| 14:17.18 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Maybe i forget somethings stupid |
| 14:17.30 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: actually it has the ability to, depending on what settings someone sets for apt. if you think that's truely BS, then take it over to the mailing list. |
| 14:18.52 | oOGneaOo | itchi: did you install wireless-tools? |
| 14:19.01 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: will do. |
| 14:19.25 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: oh, and you've been using debian for how long? |
| 14:19.35 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Oh |
| 14:20.39 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Looks like that was already installed |
| 14:21.00 | oOGneaOo | itchi: that's cool. is your card pcmcia or usb? |
| 14:21.26 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Build-in the laptop |
| 14:21.38 | oOGneaOo | itchi: nice. what laptop? |
| 14:21.40 | itchi | oOGneaOo: I use now an old pcmcia ethernet card |
| 14:22.05 | itchi | oOGneaOo: It's an Toshiba Satellite A110-178 |
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| 14:22.38 | estong_ | issue not resolved! |
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| 14:23.00 | fasta | What's the most likely cause of this? X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 14:23.11 | oOGneaOo | estong_: can your workstation resolve an ip address? |
| 14:23.26 | oOGneaOo | fasta: invalid password. |
| 14:23.45 | fasta | oOGneaOo: uhm, then why can I login on the server? |
| 14:23.50 | estong_ | yes it can ping the router's ip but not external ips. |
| 14:23.54 | fasta | oOGneaOo: I get a shell on the server. |
| 14:24.18 | fasta | oOGneaOo: If the password would be wrong that wouldn't happen, right? |
| 14:24.19 | estong_ | correction! it can also ping external ips |
| 14:24.24 | estong_ | :) |
| 14:24.33 | fasta | "wrong authentication" cannot be possibly be more vague... this looks like |
| 14:24.39 | oOGneaOo | fasta: perhaps the remote isn't setup correctly. |
| 14:24.43 | fasta | ... Windows error messages. |
| 14:24.51 | oOGneaOo | estong_: :) |
| 14:24.51 | estong_ | no no no. i am mixed up. |
| 14:24.53 | fasta | oOGneaOo: probably... |
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| 14:25.21 | estong_ | i have dsl connected at my wkstation now. that is why i can ping. |
| 14:25.24 | oOGneaOo | fasta: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 14:25.35 | oOGneaOo | estong_: did you get iptables setup? |
| 14:25.45 | keith80403 | Running Sarge - just installed on an HP laptop, what file would tell me the type of touchpad I have so I can configure it to recognize tapping on the pad as a mouse click? |
| 14:26.05 | oOGneaOo | !laptop |
| 14:26.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 14:26.14 | oOGneaOo | keith80403: try those urls and search for your model |
| 14:26.23 | estong_ | i don't remember doing that. i did shorewall though but removed it. i can put back shorewall in and use it instead of iptables. |
| 14:26.38 | oOGneaOo | estong_: shorewall uses iptables. :) |
| 14:26.52 | estong_ | ah yes |
| 14:26.56 | oOGneaOo | estong_: no matter what firewall you install, it will use iptables. |
| 14:26.58 | tralala | estong_, I firmly believe now that your router was set up correctly from the beginning but not your clients |
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| 14:27.01 | itchi | Yup, need to get that wifi an Ethernet card working on my laptop, so new model will be come on the linux on laptop. Not yet one with the same brand/model as me |
| 14:27.50 | estong_ | ok tralala, let us give ur theory a shot. but i do warn u that my clients will work if i use monowall as router instead of debian. |
| 14:27.57 | sohmestra | oOGneaOo: i've been using debian for 7 years. anyway, I'm not going to argue with you further on this point. If you're right, I'll be surprised, but then, I don't claim to be omniscient. |
| 14:28.30 | keith80403 | oOGneaOo, OK, I'll look there, I wondered where the hardware detection routines write the details of what was found. |
| 14:28.36 | estong_ | isn't it that gateway and nameserver are the only ones to setup at the client? |
| 14:28.51 | cydork | keith80403: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 14:28.57 | keith80403 | oOGneaOo, thanks for the pointers. |
| 14:28.59 | estong_ | i have pointed all those to 172.29.15.254 which is the ip of the router. |
| 14:29.04 | keith80403 | cydork, Ok, thanks, will do. |
| 14:29.06 | fasta | !tell estong_ about u |
| 14:29.28 | cydork | keith80403: and also most of the laptops use synaptics.. |
| 14:29.31 | tralala | estong_, yes |
| 14:30.22 | oOGneaOo | sohmestra: well, 8 years here. we all learn something new everyday |
| 14:30.30 | estong_ | i think i have hit a wall. would u folks be keen to watch over me while i do a debian 3.1 r2 install all over again? |
| 14:30.53 | oOGneaOo | estong_: why would you reinstall? |
| 14:31.14 | estong_ | i think i ran out of possible clues to solve this issue. |
| 14:31.14 | tralala | estong_, if you want your problem to be identified you need to have the router and the clients online so we can see exactly what's happening |
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| 14:32.20 | oOGneaOo | !masq |
| 14:32.20 | dpkg | methinks masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 14:32.29 | keith80403 | cydork, Good, thanks for the suggestion to msg dpkg - didn't know about some of those 'ls' commands. |
| 14:32.30 | itchi | So an ieee 1394 (firewire) is an network card? |
| 14:32.49 | oOGneaOo | itchi: it can be, sure |
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| 14:33.02 | itchi | oOGneaOo: euh; strange ;-) |
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| 14:33.19 | oOGneaOo | itchi: not really. 400Mbps ;) |
| 14:33.32 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Oyea |
| 14:33.33 | estong_ | tralala, how do u suggest we do that? |
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| 14:33.58 | estong_ | i mean how do i put the router online without me losing irc. |
| 14:34.03 | oOGneaOo | itchi: there's a REASON that many digital video recorders have firewire ports :) |
| 14:34.09 | itchi | arg, my RJ45 go not in that ieee 1394 :-( |
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| 14:34.30 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Yeah, but i was not imagining that we can use that for network ;-) |
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| 14:34.52 | oOGneaOo | itchi: it's linux, you can network pigeons with it |
| 14:35.05 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Yeah :-p |
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| 14:35.40 | oOGneaOo | itchi: no seriously, you can. |
| 14:35.55 | CrippsFX | I'm looking for a way to make an image of my whole hard drive ... basically like making a ghost image. I want the backup written directly to dvd ... is there a tool or a reference somebody can point me to for this? |
| 14:35.58 | oOGneaOo | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 14:36.01 | Tealc | is it possible to get PHP5 to debian stable? |
| 14:36.06 | itchi | oOGneaOo: First trying to get my wifi and Ethernet working ;-) |
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| 14:36.17 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: /msg dpkg backports yes |
| 14:36.28 | Tealc | oOGneaOo didnt work |
| 14:36.36 | Tealc | it wanted to isntall additional packets |
| 14:36.41 | Tealc | and remove phpmyadmin |
| 14:36.47 | oOGneaOo | so? |
| 14:36.47 | Tealc | and remove php4 |
| 14:36.49 | Braindead | CrippsFX: partimage or g4l |
| 14:36.53 | Tealc | i need phpmyadmin |
| 14:36.58 | oOGneaOo | well yeah, it's php4 or php5 |
| 14:37.06 | CrippsFX | Braindead, thnx ... I'll googlwe 'em |
| 14:37.08 | Tealc | i also need phpmyadmin |
| 14:37.18 | oOGneaOo | no you don't, you just need to learn how to use the commandline ;) |
| 14:37.18 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: why don't you have a sane nick ? |
| 14:37.20 | sekelsenmat | hi |
| 14:37.25 | itchi | Tealc: phpmyadmin look not compatible with php5?? Look on the depencies of that package?? |
| 14:37.31 | sekelsenmat | how can I choose which wm will be loaded when X starts? |
| 14:37.32 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.41 | abrotman | sekelsenmat: update-alternatives |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | or use .xsession |
| 14:37.46 | d0uglas | phpmyadmin even |
| 14:37.49 | Tealc | itchi so i cannot have both? |
| 14:37.52 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: cuz. |
| 14:37.57 | Tealc | i want phpmyadmin and php5 |
| 14:38.24 | itchi | Tealc: Normally you should be install the both, i not know about the backports stuff |
| 14:38.26 | sekelsenmat | thanks |
| 14:38.47 | Tealc | well umm |
| 14:38.57 | tralala | estong_, install irssi on the router and use the router to connect to irc |
| 14:38.58 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: did you use backports correctly? |
| 14:39.09 | Tealc | oOGneaOo i added it to the list and updated |
| 14:39.19 | Skiver | Tealc: install php5 with apt, then get phpmyadmin tarball. |
| 14:39.22 | Tealc | then i wrote apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 14:39.30 | d0uglas | these usb hard drives.. odds are these things will plug 'n play or am i gonna go through module hell |
| 14:39.50 | liran | im so bored out of my mind |
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| 14:40.07 | estong_ | tralala, ops! i just started the reinstall. |
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| 14:40.34 | nelf | on stable, I get a 'install these packages without authentication' message when using apt-get - how do I get the latest keyring? |
| 14:40.49 | amee2k | how can i specify the local timezone on a per-user basis? |
| 14:40.50 | Skiver | estong_, omg. |
| 14:40.50 | david_ciapsa | Salut |
| 14:40.55 | oOGneaOo | there. |
| 14:41.03 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: no, that didn't install it properly |
| 14:41.06 | oOGneaOo | !backports |
| 14:41.06 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
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| 14:41.31 | david_ciapsa | j/join #debian-ro |
| 14:41.36 | Tealc | wtf |
| 14:41.43 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: you *NEED* to specify with the -t or it won't work right. it's in the instructions on the website! |
| 14:41.45 | estong_ | why! i used to that in windoze. :) |
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| 14:41.53 | Tealc | what website |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | why would anyone read instructions ? |
| 14:41.59 | Tealc | i saw no website |
| 14:41.59 | Skiver | d0uglas, if you don't have encoding concerns, probably plug and play will work for you. |
| 14:41.59 | cydork | oOGneaOo: that last alias doesn't sound too good.. |
| 14:42.06 | oOGneaOo | it's right fucking there |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | backports.org has no website ? |
| 14:42.18 | oOGneaOo | http://backports.org/ <-- this isn't a website? |
| 14:42.23 | d0uglas | encoding problems? |
| 14:42.27 | Tealc | apt-get was also there |
| 14:42.32 | Tealc | and debian or |
| 14:42.36 | Tealc | there was 3 websites |
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| 14:42.52 | diilbertAtWork | A few agitation issues ? |
| 14:43.04 | oOGneaOo | oic, common sense isn't as common as I had thought... |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 14:43.08 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 14:43.23 | diilbertAtWork | lol |
| 14:43.26 | amee2k | lol |
| 14:43.32 | CrippsFX | lol |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | !lol |
| 14:43.32 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:43.39 | amee2k | lol |
| 14:43.40 | CrippsFX | ah! |
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| 14:43.46 | CrippsFX | bwahahaha |
| 14:44.01 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: seriously - it's called backports, so backports.org.... |
| 14:44.03 | Skiver | d0uglas, i have files chinese filenames, so I set charset in fstab. |
| 14:44.12 | amee2k | ^H^H^H ... haha*rofl*kekeke |
| 14:44.13 | CrippsFX | !flame abrotman |
| 14:44.13 | dpkg | abrotman: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 14:44.13 | oOGneaOo | like it's called debian, so debian.org |
| 14:44.16 | Tealc | oOGneaOo actually there is no manual or documentation or help |
| 14:44.23 | CrippsFX | sorry abrotman, I just had to ;) |
| 14:44.24 | Tealc | at that site |
| 14:44.32 | diilbertAtWork | Tealc: You could have just googled it |
| 14:44.34 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: yes there is, click on the link on the left called 'instructions' |
| 14:44.38 | cydork | Tealc: try instructions |
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| 14:45.23 | Tealc | well the mutt part was weird |
| 14:45.27 | Tealc | so i didnt do it |
| 14:45.40 | Flimzy | Are there any handy dynamic DNS scripts out there that I can use to update my dynamic IP to my DNS zone that I host on my own serveR? |
| 14:45.43 | Tealc | For mutt, you add these lines: |
| 14:45.48 | Tealc | add these lines TO WHERE |
| 14:45.55 | oOGneaOo | they used mutt as an example |
| 14:46.16 | Tealc | but to where that is adde |
| 14:46.20 | Tealc | they didnt tell that |
| 14:46.23 | oOGneaOo | if you make Package: mutt with Package: * |
| 14:46.37 | cydork | Flimzy: yes we have a package for that.search for ddclient |
| 14:46.48 | Tealc | ic |
| 14:46.49 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: then the site needs to be updated |
| 14:46.56 | Tealc | so |
| 14:46.59 | Tealc | mutt was example |
| 14:47.03 | oOGneaOo | yes. |
| 14:47.05 | Flimzy | cydork: I don't want to use Dyndns.org, though. I want to use my own DNS server. |
| 14:47.09 | amee2k | Q: how can i specify the local timezone on a per-user basis? |
| 14:47.09 | oOGneaOo | it SAYS so too |
| 14:47.12 | Tealc | well why couldnt it be like Example |
| 14:47.17 | Flimzy | cydork: Are the server-side scripts avaialble, too? |
| 14:47.17 | Tealc | :-D |
| 14:47.21 | diilbertAtWork | Tealc: I would look at: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
| 14:47.23 | oOGneaOo | A: run tzconfig |
| 14:47.32 | Tealc | yes yes i get it now |
| 14:47.36 | Tealc | really smart system |
| 14:47.42 | Tealc | it used to be different |
| 14:47.48 | amee2k | any hints please? |
| 14:47.52 | cydork | Flimzy: that i am not sure. |
| 14:48.02 | Flimzy | I'll probably just write my own thingie then |
| 14:48.05 | Flimzy | shouldn't be too hard :) |
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| 14:48.15 | Skiver | amee2k, someone answered. |
| 14:48.21 | oOGneaOo | Tealc: should the site have a debian spiral logo on it too? :P |
| 14:48.21 | nelf | How do I get the latest apt keyring so my packages aren't 'not authenticatd' |
| 14:48.39 | cydork | !tell nelf about 2006 key |
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| 14:50.10 | amee2k | oh, whoops |
| 14:50.13 | nelf | cydork: Thanks, but the suggested fix from dpkg (I'm on stable), doesn't want to work (HKP fetch error: eof) |
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| 14:50.47 | _ericb | hi all |
| 14:50.48 | amee2k | sorry, overlooked that one |
| 14:51.41 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 14:51.50 | _ericb | I'm currently on sarge, I've been using it for a few years and I tought about moving to etch.. but before I would like comments on it's stability.. is it stable ? are some essential package currently broken ? |
| 14:52.52 | sohmestra | _ericb: it's pretty stable. certainly not like stable is though. :o) |
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| 14:53.26 | sohmestra | _ericb: I've been using etch for several months on my desktop without problems. |
| 14:53.38 | sohmestra | _ericb: I wouldn't put it on a production server though. |
| 14:54.35 | sohmestra | _ericb: I should modify my original statement: it's not "stable", but is quite useable. |
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| 14:56.32 | oOGneaOo | _ericb: lately, there have been a lot of problems with etch. at this point in time, you could be better off with sid. best bet is with sarge for true stability. |
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| 14:57.33 | eric_ | sohmestra sorry.. connection failed well.. it's not a production server.. it's my desktop not on a server.. but you said you didn't had problems ? |
| 14:58.09 | Triona | etch is suitable for a workstation |
| 14:58.19 | Triona | or for a non-critical server |
| 14:58.32 | Skiver | desktop go Sid! |
| 14:58.33 | sohmestra | eric_: correct. |
| 14:58.58 | Triona | on a workstation, you want latest and greatest |
| 14:59.30 | Triona | and theres's some tolerance for the occasional glitch |
| 14:59.47 | sohmestra | Triona: _you_ want the latest and greatest ;o) he may want something different. It sounds like he has an interest in stability. |
| 15:00.44 | eric_ | well, I'm a heavy user of eclipse/netbeans, outside that.. well I would like kde .3.4/3.5 |
| 15:00.52 | whadar | on a clean etch, the display driver is always VESA? how can i check what's the current driver? |
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| 15:01.05 | cydork | oOGneaOo: so you have interest in instability :P |
| 15:01.16 | oOGneaOo | whadar: see what's defined in the X config file |
| 15:01.23 | oOGneaOo | cydork: in a manner of speaking |
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| 15:02.44 | oOGneaOo | cydork: change is constant, expect the unexpected ;) |
| 15:02.45 | Onni | What commando to use to instal KDE on Debian ? |
| 15:02.48 | Triona | in my experience, on the desktop, debian lags signifigantly behind on workstation applications, and the upstream vendors are just going to tell you that you should be using the latest version, even if the latest version has the same problems. |
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| 15:03.02 | cydork | !tell Onni -about install kde |
| 15:03.12 | Onni | ^^ |
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| 15:03.30 | oOGneaOo | Triona: sometimes the latest isn't necessarily the best. |
| 15:03.41 | oOGneaOo | take firefox 2.0, for example. |
| 15:03.45 | Onni | What command i had to put infront ? |
| 15:04.02 | Ronin | Onni: same as always apt-get install |
| 15:04.08 | Onni | Ty |
| 15:04.09 | Triona | in the desktop linux world, everything's too much of a moving target |
| 15:04.17 | eric_ | Triona well I've been a heavy debian users for about 4 years and now I must say I often think about switching to other distro since autodesk don't support debian |
| 15:04.22 | oOGneaOo | i'm glad it's not in any repo yet, what with all of the problems it had at release time |
| 15:04.50 | Triona | there are no or very few stable AND feature complete versions of desktop software |
| 15:04.53 | nelf | I'm getting GPG verification errors on stable when upgrading, and the suggested fix from dpkg is not helping. How do I get round this? |
| 15:04.58 | whadar | oOGneaOo: it is the generic driver... same as VESA right? |
| 15:05.03 | Triona | so there's almost always a compelling upgrade reason. |
| 15:05.11 | oOGneaOo | whadar: does it say vesa? |
| 15:05.21 | Onni | Getting a fail on my CD |
| 15:05.31 | oOGneaOo | Triona: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 15:05.37 | Onni | I've loaded the ISO in vmware and it doesnt reconize |
| 15:05.39 | whadar | oOGneaOo: under section screen? |
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| 15:05.51 | secher | I've been working with the Horde framework for the past several days when someone told me about Midgard CMS. I checked it out, and it looks like it'd do what I need, however, it's not in the Debian distro. Is there a licensing incompatability or has it just not been included yet? |
| 15:06.15 | secher | Supposedly it's under the GPL. |
| 15:06.24 | whadar | oOGneaOo: "generic video card" |
| 15:06.27 | oOGneaOo | whadar: no, Devide |
| 15:06.31 | oOGneaOo | er, Device |
| 15:06.50 | whadar | oOGneaOo: Device = generic video card |
| 15:07.06 | oOGneaOo | whadar: no, what Driver is Device using? |
| 15:07.14 | oOGneaOo | Section "Device" |
| 15:07.16 | oOGneaOo | .... |
| 15:07.19 | oOGneaOo | EndSection |
| 15:08.12 | blondie | which debian kernels have fuse support/modules? |
| 15:08.31 | oOGneaOo | blondie: i think they all do |
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| 15:09.01 | whadar | Section "Device" |
| 15:09.01 | whadar | Identifier"Generic Video Card" |
| 15:09.01 | whadar | Driver"vesa" |
| 15:09.01 | blondie | oOGneaOo: on sarge (2.6.8) it says the fuse module is not found |
| 15:09.08 | blondie | !paste |
| 15:09.08 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:09.17 | h3sp4wn | blondie: Does module assistant list it ? |
| 15:09.20 | whadar | sorry |
| 15:09.22 | oOGneaOo | blondie: it's ok if it's under 4 lines |
| 15:09.32 | oOGneaOo | whadar: you are using the VESA driver. |
| 15:10.10 | whadar | oOGneaOo: generally speaking, is it bad to use it? can I get good performance out of it? |
| 15:10.15 | cydork | blondie: you have to compile modules for 2.6.8 afaik |
| 15:10.24 | oOGneaOo | whadar: depends on your video card. |
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| 15:10.42 | whadar | oOGneaOo: can I setup 1200*1024 on it? |
| 15:10.57 | oOGneaOo | blondie: oh wait, i think it's in newer kernels. use backports |
| 15:10.58 | k31th | enyc: wats that command to get every thing you need to build an app in deb |
| 15:11.08 | k31th | apt-get some-thing package-name |
| 15:11.09 | k31th | ? |
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| 15:11.12 | oOGneaOo | whadar: if your hardware supports it. |
| 15:11.22 | blondie | cydork/oOGneaOo: why is fuse provided in sarge then, if the kernel doesn't support it? |
| 15:11.29 | nelf | It would appear that keyring.debian.org does not have the key I need to stop apt from complaining :( |
| 15:11.45 | oOGneaOo | k31th: make, a c compiler, maybe some auto tools |
| 15:11.54 | oOGneaOo | k31th: there isn't an all-in-one AFAIK |
| 15:12.09 | k31th | oOGneaOo: no you can get app the deps for that package. |
| 15:12.34 | oOGneaOo | k31th: explain. |
| 15:12.46 | cydork | blondie: there is a fuse-source for kernel module |
| 15:12.52 | crapz0r | oh rly? |
| 15:13.00 | sohmestra | blondie: it's not in the kernel proper, but you can build the modules that support it from a debian package |
| 15:13.08 | blondie | fgs |
| 15:13.12 | k31th | ok i want to compile some thing newer than wat is in apt, so i need to pull down all the things it deps on. |
| 15:13.23 | k31th | then builld new package and make a deb |
| 15:13.23 | blondie | why provide the source and not the compiled one? is this gentoo? |
| 15:13.24 | stew | k31th: apt-get build-dep packagename |
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| 15:13.34 | stew | k31th: /msg dpkg source |
| 15:13.56 | crapz0r | !ops kickban me |
| 15:13.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: crapz0r complains about: kickban me |
| 15:13.57 | whadar | hmm... so i just have to try add another resolution to the conf file and restart X? |
| 15:13.59 | k31th | build-dep thats it ! |
| 15:14.04 | k31th | thanks |
| 15:14.21 | stew | crapz0r: uhh? |
| 15:14.40 | crapz0r | kickban me please |
| 15:14.48 | nelf | my build-dep fails to work for building the gimp (I'm on stable)... Note, selecting libpng12-dev instead of libpng-dev |
| 15:14.50 | nelf | ead: Build-dependencies for gimp could not be satisfied. |
| 15:15.07 | nelf | I'm wondering whether I have the wrong sources list in /etc/apt-sources.list |
| 15:15.34 | crapz0r | stew |
| 15:15.35 | sohmestra | whadar: you could use dpkg-reconfigure rather than editing the file. i'm told it's best to do everything the debian way. |
| 15:15.36 | crapz0r | do it |
| 15:15.38 | crapz0r | :( |
| 15:15.42 | nelf | Does this looks sane: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 15:15.44 | nelf | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 15:15.46 | stew | crapz0r: please stop |
| 15:16.03 | crapz0r | so it STEW |
| 15:16.04 | crapz0r | NOW |
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| 15:16.07 | cydork | sohmestra: fuse is there in the recent linux kernels. after 2.6.15 afaik |
| 15:16.13 | stew | crapz0r: you've been silenced |
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| 15:16.46 | sohmestra | cydork: right, but not in the sarge kernels. |
| 15:17.02 | Ronin | cydork: another day another troll |
| 15:17.17 | Phated | Welcome to #debian. |
| 15:17.17 | fhffhqvb | fucking brazilians. |
| 15:17.56 | cydork | :) |
| 15:19.55 | oOGneaOo | stew: what the hell is that? |
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| 15:20.41 | sekelsenmat | looks like masoquism |
| 15:20.45 | secher | He's trying to see if he can get all the #deb ops to kickban him. |
| 15:20.46 | tompaw69 | hello |
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| 15:22.09 | oOGneaOo | looks like he's trying to get an ip banned |
| 15:22.15 | oOGneaOo | hijack? |
| 15:22.37 | nelf | How do I set all packages that are scheduled to be removed to not be removed? |
| 15:22.43 | secher | He checked to see who'd already kicked him, looked to see who was about who would respond to his antics, and got booted. |
| 15:23.04 | secher | oOGneaOo: is he coming always from the same IP? |
| 15:23.31 | rpx | Hi, when will Firefox 2.0 be available by apt-get update |
| 15:23.33 | oOGneaOo | secher: no idea |
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| 15:23.47 | oOGneaOo | !tell rpx about iceweasel |
| 15:23.52 | nelf | How do I set all packages that are scheduled to be removed to not be removed? |
| 15:24.45 | rgsteele_ | nelf: What do you mean, "scheduled to be removed" |
| 15:25.05 | rgsteele | nelf: What do you mean, "scheduled to be removed" |
| 15:25.16 | nelf | rgsteele: In dselect, I have a list of packages to be removed that is as long as my arm |
| 15:25.32 | nelf | As I (foolishly) went through all the 'obsolete' packages and removed them. |
| 15:25.51 | stew | nelf: something like COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ri/{print $2 " install"}' | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 15:26.30 | sohmestra | nelf: you mean, when you attempt to remove a package, tons of others are selected for removal as well? |
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| 15:27.13 | dendrite | nelf: Debian thinks you're trying to take an orange from the bottom of the pyramid. |
| 15:27.18 | sohmestra | nelf: strike that. I was behind in the conversation. |
| 15:27.37 | nelf | Thanks stem (and others) |
| 15:27.38 | Skiver | what's the purpose of reserving 127mb of my 1G ram, and mark it as highmem ? |
| 15:27.43 | nelf | s/stem/stew/ |
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| 15:29.06 | tompaw69 | Can smb help me with installing debian-amd64 on the damned nforce5? :/ |
| 15:29.40 | secher | Does anyone know why Midgard CMS is not included in the Debian distro? |
| 15:29.50 | Skiver | smb can't help you i suppose. |
| 15:30.03 | fhffhqvb | !smb |
| 15:30.04 | rgsteele | secher: How would answering that question solve your problem at all? |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | smb is probably Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS, or Super Mario Brothers |
| 15:30.07 | Ronin | !why is midgard CMS not in debian |
| 15:30.07 | dpkg | Ronin: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:30.11 | Ronin | heh thought so |
| 15:30.25 | abrotman | tompaw69: either use a sarge UNI .. or the etch installer .. alternately .. ask #debian-amd64 |
| 15:30.38 | stew | secher: check wnpp for an itp or a rfp (/msg dpkg wnpp) |
| 15:31.20 | rgsteele | secher: Also, you'll have to be more specific on which version you're using...Sarge, Etch, Sid.... |
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| 15:32.52 | tompaw69 | abrotman: 'sarge UNI'? |
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| 15:33.00 | abrotman | !tell tompaw69 about sarge uni |
| 15:33.00 | secher | rgsteele: Umm.. it's not anywhere, and my problem is wondering why it's not available via regular Deb channels. It is licensing? Oversight? Lack of Maintainer? |
| 15:33.04 | abrotman | !tell tompaw69 about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:33.09 | abrotman | !tell tompaw69 about sarge 2.6.17 |
| 15:33.16 | abrotman | !tell tompaw69 about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 15:33.17 | abrotman | duh |
| 15:33.33 | secher | stew: Thanks much man. |
| 15:33.49 | tompaw69 | abrotman: thx :) |
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| 15:35.36 | uffiole | hi! i cant find pkg seamonkey. any hint what source i need ? |
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| 15:36.39 | uffiole | i run ubuntu dapper |
| 15:36.49 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 15:36.49 | Ronin | uffiole: #ubuntu please and thank you |
| 15:36.59 | uffiole | np |
| 15:37.12 | simonrvn | !Ronin++ |
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| 15:40.05 | Bhavesh | how do i get karma points? |
| 15:40.14 | Ronin | Bhavesh: live properly |
| 15:40.35 | Bhavesh | i do!!! :) i am nice, friendly, helpful, don't drink, don't smoke, hack don't even eat meat! |
| 15:40.53 | cydork | Bhavesh: you call that living? |
| 15:41.42 | simonrvn | 1. X 2. X 3. X 4. 5. |
| 15:41.43 | epsilon | he's dead, Jim |
| 15:41.56 | simonrvn | oops, missed one |
| 15:42.28 | Skiver | lols. |
| 15:42.43 | simonrvn | heh *grin* |
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| 15:42.58 | Bhavesh | cydork: well depends on your defination :) |
| 15:43.01 | simonrvn | soooo.. who's got a shit-eating grin today? |
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| 15:43.41 | Clansman | Hi all |
| 15:43.53 | CuCbKu | hi grls |
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| 15:44.04 | }-l-{opa | regard faggots |
| 15:44.05 | simonrvn | same IP ... smells like troll |
| 15:44.06 | CuCbKu | hi grls |
| 15:44.09 | WsT|HDD | hi to all |
| 15:44.19 | WsT|HDD | i like linux debian |
| 15:44.20 | Clansman | wtf? |
| 15:44.26 | Ronin | here we go again |
| 15:44.32 | WsT|HDD | i am russian hacker |
| 15:44.36 | simonrvn | !ops Clansman CuCbKu }-l-{opa WsT|HDD trolls |
| 15:44.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: simonrvn complains about: Clansman CuCbKu }-l-{opa WsT|HDD trolls |
| 15:44.49 | WsT|HDD | what? |
| 15:44.54 | CuCbKu | ?? |
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| 15:45.03 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 15:45.09 | }-l-{opa | and I too mega russian hacker! |
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| 15:45.18 | simonrvn | yeh. right. get in line. |
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| 15:45.27 | WsT|HDD | gg |
| 15:45.30 | Ronin | going to be a long day for the @'s apparently |
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| 15:45.36 | azeem | WsT|HDD: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:45.43 | WsT|HDD | no |
| 15:45.57 | azeem | WsT|HDD: then please either be quiet or leave |
| 15:45.59 | WsT|HDD | bb to all |
| 15:46.00 | WsT|HDD | pk |
| 15:46.01 | azeem | or help us support the people |
| 15:46.02 | WsT|HDD | ok |
| 15:46.12 | WsT|HDD | :) |
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| 15:47.12 | Tealc | how do i get PHP5 with debian sarge? |
| 15:47.20 | stew | Tealc: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:47.34 | Bhavesh | that was easy.. for once someone left by just asking and didn't have to be banned |
| 15:47.44 | Tealc | stew nah backports removes phpmyadmin |
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| 15:47.49 | simonrvn | it happens. rarely. |
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| 15:48.16 | pif | hi, anyone knows the sytnax for port ranges in fiaif ? |
| 15:48.26 | pif | is it port:port or port-port ? |
| 15:48.41 | Bhavesh | fiaif? sounds like those words that spell same forward/backword |
| 15:48.59 | Bhavesh | oh Anagram |
| 15:49.03 | ofer1 | pif, port-port |
| 15:49.03 | Bhavesh | that's what they are called |
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| 15:49.22 | pif | ofer1: thanks, so what is port:port ? |
| 15:49.24 | ofer1 | Bhavesh, isn't it called palindrome ? |
| 15:49.27 | simonrvn | no, no alliteration, a palindrome |
| 15:49.30 | ofer1 | pif, I have no idea |
| 15:49.33 | simonrvn | not* |
| 15:49.44 | simonrvn | or anagram... |
| 15:49.47 | stew | Tealc: phpmyadmin in sarge depends on php4, so you won't be able to install php5 and keep that phpmyadmin, you are going to have to find a backported phpmyadmin or backport it yourself: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:49.47 | Bhavesh | i stand corrected |
| 15:49.59 | pif | FIAIF Is Not A Firewall |
| 15:49.59 | Bhavesh | palindrome = same word back/forth |
| 15:50.09 | Bhavesh | Anagram, different words from a word |
| 15:50.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:50.54 | ofer1 | pif, FIAIF Is Not an Advanced FIrewall, isn't it ? |
| 15:51.22 | ofer1 | FIAIF Is An Intelligent Firewall |
| 15:51.37 | ofer1 | how can you not like those recursive acronyms ? |
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| 15:52.01 | Skiver | do you need a special kernel for intel core duo ? |
| 15:52.15 | pif | ofer1: port-port triggers a syntax error |
| 15:52.22 | Tealc | stew that manual suxed |
| 15:52.24 | simonrvn | probably 64bit and smp, no? |
| 15:52.31 | user__ | how do I speed up my /usr/bin/gnome-app-install?? |
| 15:52.41 | user__ | it takes ages and makes apt seem slow |
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| 15:52.43 | stew | Tealc: what manual? what does 'suxed' mean? |
| 15:52.53 | Tealc | it was very poor |
| 15:52.55 | Tealc | it was bad |
| 15:53.01 | stew | Tealc: which manual? |
| 15:53.06 | Tealc | the one you gave me |
| 15:53.12 | simonrvn | stew: translation: it s0x0rs |
| 15:53.21 | simonrvn | :P |
| 15:53.25 | stew | Tealc: are you having trouble understanding it? |
| 15:53.28 | Tealc | yes |
| 15:53.31 | Tealc | even the first step |
| 15:53.41 | Tealc | when ur about to backport some tarball |
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| 15:53.47 | Tealc | you dont need sources files for that |
| 15:53.52 | Tealc | now why would you then edit it |
| 15:54.03 | secher | Figured out why Midgard is not in Debian. Depends on MySQL. |
| 15:54.05 | Tealc | apt source file |
| 15:54.08 | Tealc | thats stupid |
| 15:54.22 | stew | Tealc: becuase that is telling you how to recompile the newer version in debian unstable for debian stable, not how to install it from a tarball |
| 15:55.02 | Tealc | oh |
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| 15:55.42 | Tealc | stew does the first step mean i add testing source there? |
| 15:55.44 | cydork | secher: huh? so? |
| 15:55.51 | simonrvn | user__: use aptitude instead? |
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| 15:57.16 | sexyken | Anyone evver see this before: Unable_to_run_qmail-remote |
| 15:57.25 | simonrvn | no |
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| 15:57.51 | cydork | secher: and they have debian packages.. |
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| 15:58.18 | Flimzy | sexyken: Looks like an omen that you need a better MTA :P |
| 15:58.24 | lord_rob | Hi ! How can I make a link /dev/dvd to /dev/hda using udev ? |
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| 15:59.08 | ofer1 | sexyken, from my experience with qmail, I know that I should use postfix or exim4. |
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| 15:59.59 | Ronin | nothing wrong with qmail :) yes i know the dpkg factoid |
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| 16:00.30 | stew | Tealc: either testing or unstable, yes |
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| 16:00.53 | stew | Tealc: but a "deb-src" line, not a "deb" line |
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| 16:02.49 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 16:03.09 | epsilon | Pem Pem? |
| 16:03.32 | ofer1 | Pam Pam Pam |
| 16:03.48 | tompaw69 | abrotman: etch installed w/o problems, but I'm not so sure about using beta os in the production enviroment... |
| 16:04.04 | ofer1 | tompaw69, don't do it! it's crazy |
| 16:04.07 | cydork | tompaw69: it has only 207 rc bugs :P |
| 16:04.28 | ofer1 | for example, a couple of days ago it upgraded to apache 2.2 and my 2.0 config stopped working! |
| 16:04.45 | epsilon | etch has indian 2.2? |
| 16:04.56 | ofer1 | indian ? |
| 16:05.00 | epsilon | (apache) |
| 16:05.03 | ofer1 | yeah |
| 16:05.07 | ofer1 | apache2 is now 2.2 |
| 16:05.15 | tompaw69 | but seriously, is there a way to use sarge with nforce5? |
| 16:05.16 | ofer1 | by the way, I had to upgrade because of that bug in PHP4 |
| 16:05.17 | epsilon | how different? |
| 16:05.30 | ofer1 | epsilon, diff config.. diff modules |
| 16:05.34 | epsilon | php4 is fixed in sarge - as far possible |
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| 16:05.46 | ofer1 | yeah, but I was using etch |
| 16:05.54 | ofer1 | and in order to install the new php4, you had to upgrade to apache 2.2 |
| 16:06.14 | anapivirtua | Using etch for un web server oO |
| 16:07.01 | ofer1 | anapivirtua, yeah, it was stupid |
| 16:07.25 | ofer1 | for "un" web server? :) |
| 16:07.36 | anapivirtua | *a :> |
| 16:07.49 | ofer1 | Je n'ai parle francais |
| 16:08.03 | anapivirtua | =) |
| 16:08.18 | PumpkinPie | does your chain hang low? |
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| 16:08.42 | ofer1 | anapivirtua, ever ate @ "PRET A MANGER" ? |
| 16:08.43 | S4nD3r | Is there any xchm to run in gnome ???? I need to see .chm file |
| 16:09.06 | Feax | what is the difference betwin NV and Nvidia in xfree86 ? |
| 16:09.09 | ofer1 | xchm - Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X |
| 16:09.21 | anapivirtua | ofer0, hum no ever ate = J'ai fini de manger :) |
| 16:09.25 | ofer1 | S4nD3r, ^ |
| 16:09.40 | d0uglas | need to convert a .wab to a .cvs (or any other address book format). Possible with Debian? |
| 16:09.41 | anapivirtua | *ofer1 |
| 16:09.47 | ofer1 | ofer0 is me @ home |
| 16:09.51 | anapivirtua | ok ;) |
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| 16:10.12 | d0uglas | err .csv |
| 16:10.20 | d0uglas | comma separated values |
| 16:10.41 | Skiver | is there a way to _upgrade_ sarge to sid, without have to format and reinstall ? |
| 16:11.01 | GrimWald | of course |
| 16:11.24 | GrimWald | just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:11.32 | Ronin | Skiver: not sure id call it an upgrade mind you |
| 16:11.55 | GrimWald | Oo |
| 16:12.23 | anapivirtua | d0uglas, http://www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm, this page can help you, no ? |
| 16:12.43 | Skiver | Ronin, if not ? |
| 16:13.06 | Ronin | Skiver: when sid breaks, not if mind you but when, can you fix it yourself? |
| 16:13.07 | S4nD3r | need another kind of help... Id like to use a shared windowsXP printer |
| 16:13.23 | ofer1 | sid is more stable than windows XP. |
| 16:13.32 | Ronin | ofer1: lol i wouldn't say that |
| 16:13.32 | anapivirtua | Yes :> |
| 16:13.35 | ofer1 | but don't expect too much |
| 16:13.41 | Ronin | and i used lol? wow i am tired |
| 16:13.45 | Flimzy | S4nD3r: You need smblient, if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 16:14.13 | GrimWald | sid is quite stable, it doesn't break every sunday :/ |
| 16:14.29 | Ronin | GrimWald: neither does xp actually |
| 16:14.37 | GrimWald | mine did ^^ |
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| 16:15.36 | Ronin | got 140 xp boxs here GrimWald and they're nice and stable, its those damn extra apps that they make me install/support that causes problems usually |
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| 16:16.07 | GrimWald | anyway, i'm using sid for a long time and haven't much trouble |
| 16:16.14 | GrimWald | yeah that's true |
| 16:16.14 | Nwallins | Hi, I am used to reading documentation in /usr/share/doc after installing postgresql and postgresql-doc, the only things postgresql-related in /usr/share/doc are copyright and changelog.tgz where is the postgresql documentation? |
| 16:16.31 | S4nD3r | smblcient is installed |
| 16:16.40 | S4nD3r | but when I try to print, nothing happens |
| 16:16.41 | anapivirtua | S4nD3r, is configured ? :o |
| 16:16.41 | d0uglas | anapivirtua: THANKS! |
| 16:16.53 | anapivirtua | d0uglas, your welcome :) |
| 16:17.00 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:17.00 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:18.04 | Nwallins | more butter, plz |
| 16:18.34 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/820481 |
| 16:18.36 | Nwallins | anyone know where the postgresql-doc docs live? |
| 16:18.43 | S4nD3r | Its my cups.conf |
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| 16:18.54 | S4nD3r | printers.conf, sorry |
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| 16:19.37 | cydork | Nwallins: dpkg -L postgresql-doc |
| 16:19.44 | Nwallins | cydork: duh, thanks |
| 16:20.04 | Nwallins | cydork: nothing... just copyright and changelog.gz |
| 16:20.08 | Nwallins | wtf |
| 16:20.24 | anapivirtua | S4nD3r, i think you can try to print with this conf, no ? |
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| 16:21.09 | d0uglas | anapivirtua: why doesn't google list sites like this up front instead of crappy nonfree options |
| 16:21.35 | d0uglas | i thought they didn't take bribes |
| 16:21.38 | anapivirtua | d0uglas, i really don't know :( |
| 16:21.45 | d0uglas | anapivirtua: it makes me sad |
| 16:21.51 | anapivirtua | huhu :) |
| 16:21.53 | cydork | d0uglas: what sites? |
| 16:22.02 | anapivirtua | For transform mail :) |
| 16:22.05 | Nwallins | why doesn't postgresql-doc include any documentation? http://rafb.net/paste/results/iksz1s54.html |
| 16:22.10 | abrotman | tompaw69: use at your own risk .. or try a sarge UNI |
| 16:22.35 | d0uglas | cydork: simple apps, in this case address book format converting stuff.. but anything, like drivers |
| 16:22.37 | Feax | Skiver I want nvidia not one-liner ! |
| 16:22.44 | Feax | muh sorry |
| 16:22.56 | d0uglas | or these free driver download sites that make you register first |
| 16:22.57 | S4nD3r | doesnt work |
| 16:23.01 | d0uglas | they think they're the fricking new york times |
| 16:23.21 | d0uglas | c'mon, google. c'mon. |
| 16:24.15 | tompaw69 | abrotman: http://kmuto.jp/ says there's no amd64-2.6.18 installer yet. |
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| 16:24.52 | anapivirtua | S4nD3r, you looked at smb log ? |
| 16:25.34 | stew | tompaw69: i see one there |
| 16:25.54 | stew | tompaw69: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.18/amd64/sarge-custom-1012.iso |
| 16:26.24 | tompaw69 | hm... |
| 16:26.26 | tompaw69 | "At this moment I'm trying to build amd64 version with kernel 2.6.18 also... But I haven't succeeded yet by strange udev problem." |
| 16:26.33 | abrotman | and a .16 |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | yeah .. he got it working afterwards i believe |
| 16:27.15 | tompaw69 | so... in your opinion which one is safer, kenshi's custom or etch? |
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| 16:28.33 | tompaw69 | using that custom build i'm still in the 'stable' enviroment, right? |
| 16:28.43 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/820486 |
| 16:28.47 | S4nD3r | this is the error |
| 16:29.02 | stew | tompaw69: right |
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| 16:29.28 | dooglus | what's the package name that will let firefox display chinese characters OK, rather than as 4 hex digits in a square? |
| 16:29.37 | tompaw69 | stew: so for the production enviroment that custom one seems more logical choice, right? |
| 16:29.59 | abrotman | tompaw69: IMO .. kenshi's .. most things still 'stable' |
| 16:30.04 | stew | tompaw69: yes. testing gets no security updates |
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| 16:30.07 | anapivirtua | S4nD3r, hum... |
| 16:30.11 | tompaw69 | ok |
| 16:30.33 | tompaw69 | stew, abrotman: thx for the help again, I hope kenshi's iso will work on my machine, dl'ing now... :) |
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| 16:32.41 | S4nD3r | Im looking another file... |
| 16:32.45 | S4nD3r | in cups.log |
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| 16:33.01 | S4nD3r | /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 16:33.34 | TheLinuxLichBR | I´m having problems trying to install Debian Sarge 3.1 R3 on a SATA HD...does anyone experienced something similar? |
| 16:34.17 | kozy | hi people, I'd like to have Sarge on my new woodcrest system with an Intel 5000P (Blackford) chipset. Now the etch installer supports my system nicely and during install I'd like to change to stable (unofficial AMD64 port) How can I do this? |
| 16:34.43 | ofer1 | kozy, why don't you install sarge ? |
| 16:34.50 | stew | TheLinuxLichBR: are you using the (default) 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:35.00 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/820488 |
| 16:35.14 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew 2.6 ^^ |
| 16:35.22 | kozy | it needs to be stable, it will be in production |
| 16:35.41 | stew | TheLinuxLichBR: if you are having problems, you'll have to give us specifics |
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| 16:37.06 | kozy | the sarge installer does not support my sata disks and the e1000 driver is not up to date, so it's useless |
| 16:37.21 | TheLinuxLichBR | kozy really? |
| 16:37.21 | E-bola | get a newer installewr |
| 16:37.38 | kozy | :) trying to be clear |
| 16:37.41 | TheLinuxLichBR | kozy and what you did to fix it? |
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| 16:37.48 | stew | kozy: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 16:37.56 | stew | kozy: that page has sarge installers with newer kernels |
| 16:37.56 | Flimzy | Does anyone here use a recent version of dvdrip? I get a segfault whenever I try to transcode something... wondering if it's just me. |
| 16:37.56 | ex0s | Hello, im running a debian system, and im about to install a mailserver, and i have the following demands on the server, it should fully support that you POP3 Collects the mail from a third party, and it should allso have a nice working webinterface that i can logonto from the internet to fully administer my mailbox, (read, write, delete mails etc) some one have any idea witch application to write. It would be great if i |
| 16:39.29 | S4nD3r | E [09/Nov/2006:14:29:49 -0200] [Job 4] Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | which |
| 16:39.29 | S4nD3r | This is my big problem |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | sounds like you want a webmail that will use fetchmail |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | S4nD3r: ask #samba ? |
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| 16:39.30 | maxxle | I use kopete for the first time and added my ICQ-Account. The Groups I use are added. But there is no user added from the serverside Account-List to my kopete. Any idea? |
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| 16:39.30 | ex0s | abrotman yes, a webmail, bit you tell me what's good because i have no idea! |
| 16:39.30 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew thanks stew....I think that should solve my problem |
| 16:39.30 | ex0s | but you tell me** |
| 16:39.30 | mike-e | Hi, I need a personal financial management application, any recommendations? |
| 16:39.36 | Phated | gnucash? |
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| 16:41.54 | abrotman | ex0s: horde is okay |
| 16:42.01 | abrotman | gnucash or sql-ledger |
| 16:42.21 | Ronin | ex0s: squirrelmail is pretty damn easy to install and configure |
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| 16:42.32 | ex0s | abrotman in horde? do i have a server, and the web interface? |
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| 16:43.35 | kozy | stew: I used the daily image but during installation, when it asks which distribution, if I choose stable it will not continue because there is no AMD64 in the stable dist. |
| 16:43.44 | abrotman | apt-cache show horde |
| 16:43.54 | abrotman | or try horde.org |
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| 16:44.36 | ex0s | does the built in mailserver in debian supports POP3 collecting from third party? |
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| 16:46.03 | Ronin | ex0s: horde is the webmail you still need a mta |
| 16:47.10 | kozy | AMD64 is unofficially supported but what can I do during installation to have d-i use it |
| 16:47.22 | tuv | ex0s, use fetchmail/getmail to collect mail, and something like dovecot to serve pop/imap |
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| 16:47.56 | tompaw69 | ex0s: why don't you use courier? |
| 16:48.17 | mentor | because it sucks? |
| 16:48.41 | tuv | btw, does horde need an imap server or just an mta? |
| 16:48.58 | ex0s | ooh, im confuced :O |
| 16:49.00 | mentor | IIRC horde runs off IMAP |
| 16:49.03 | d0uglas | imap |
| 16:49.04 | d0uglas | damn |
| 16:49.09 | d0uglas | touche, mentor |
| 16:49.23 | d0uglas | squirrelmail > whorde, btw |
| 16:49.29 | mentor | heh |
| 16:49.36 | ex0s | everyone is just trowing applications at me, |
| 16:49.43 | ex0s | =) |
| 16:49.45 | mentor | I use dovecot and exim4 |
| 16:49.52 | Ronin | ex0s: best get to reading then |
| 16:49.55 | tuv | ex0s, you have a lot of options |
| 16:49.56 | mentor | For an IMAP server and MTA. |
| 16:50.13 | d0uglas | postfix pwns exim4 |
| 16:50.18 | d0uglas | whatever happened to qmail |
| 16:50.36 | mentor | I would say for non-niche applications they are a viable default |
| 16:50.52 | mentor | Everyone realise DJB was a bit odd? |
| 16:50.53 | Ronin | d0uglas: its happily going along |
| 16:51.04 | Ronin | mentor: a bit odd? heh understatement of the month |
| 16:51.07 | tuv | i don't think he needs an mta. fetchmail/getmail and an imap server should do to serve remote mail locally |
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| 16:51.31 | d0uglas | how did sendmail drop the marketshare ball? |
| 16:51.40 | d0uglas | thought they'd be king forever |
| 16:51.47 | mentor | His persinality is non-trivial to deal with. |
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| 16:52.09 | pickcoder | sendmail is still delivered as a corporate mail server on many flavors of *nix |
| 16:52.11 | Ronin | mentor: yep, he's a handrul |
| 16:52.15 | Ronin | handful |
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| 16:52.19 | mentor | d0uglas: Unfortunately, everyone realised how badly denmail was written? |
| 16:52.42 | pickcoder | sendmail is extremely powerful, IF you have time to read and learn from the bat book |
| 16:52.49 | pickcoder | most admins these days don't have the time |
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| 16:53.01 | Ronin | mentor: same person thats been moving the keys on mine |
| 16:53.11 | mentor | bastard. |
| 16:53.27 | pickcoder | I know I sure don't. that's why I've migrated to postfix |
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| 16:53.46 | PumpkinPie | or anything but sendmail |
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| 16:55.07 | PumpkinPie | I know someone that customized sendmail to serve webpages |
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| 16:55.53 | pickcoder | well that's a nice waste of memory and CPU ticks |
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| 16:56.18 | kozy | stew: sorry overlooked that kmuto.jp link, will try that. Tnx! |
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| 16:58.05 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew my SATA hd is not being detected during the partition stage on installer |
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| 16:58.22 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew it´s a Seagata Momentus 7200 RPM (SATA 1.5 Gb) |
| 16:58.27 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew it´s a Seagata Momentus 7200 RPM (SATA 1.5 Gb/s) |
| 16:58.38 | stew | TheLinuxLichBR: it doesn't matter what drive, it matters what sata controller |
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| 16:59.21 | stew | TheLinuxLichBR: it is likely then that your controller is too new to be supported by the sarge installer (which is now about 2 years old), you may need to use a sarge installer with a newer kernel: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:59.21 | PumpkinPie | TheLinuxLichBR: try typing linux26 at the install prompt |
| 16:59.25 | stew | PumpkinPie: he did |
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| 16:59.44 | Bobhiper | hello room |
| 16:59.59 | tompaw69 | kenshi's build work! yeeey! =) |
| 17:00.04 | Bobhiper | I have a little problem with DJGPP , who can help me? |
| 17:00.23 | PumpkinPie | TheLinuxLichBR: all else fails buy a new sata controller like ive done before |
| 17:00.52 | Ronin | Bobhiper: no one can, at least not till you tell us the problem |
| 17:01.33 | Bobhiper | I've Install that , but I dont know how should I run that ? |
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| 17:01.54 | TheLinuxLichBR | PumpkinPie ehhehehehehe |
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| 17:02.22 | TheLinuxLichBR | i need a distro for SATA beings |
| 17:02.23 | TheLinuxLichBR | ehhehehe |
| 17:02.31 | PumpkinPie | ubuntu |
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| 17:03.00 | PumpkinPie | its install uses like kernel 2.999.99 or something |
| 17:03.02 | Bobhiper | I've Install DJGPP , but I dont know how should I run that ? |
| 17:03.07 | PumpkinPie | and its debian basically |
| 17:03.23 | stew | TheLinuxLichBR: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 17:04.19 | Bobhiper | I've Install DJGPP , but I dont know how should I run that ? anybody can help me? |
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| 17:04.31 | Ronin | Bobhiper: man djgpp? |
| 17:05.08 | stew | Bobhiper: did it come with a README? how did you install it? |
| 17:05.15 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew I´ll try that modified installer of the japanese link |
| 17:06.19 | PumpkinPie | can I see the japanese link again |
| 17:07.27 | stew | PumpkinPie: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 17:08.09 | PumpkinPie | stew: how did you find that? Ive spent so much time looking for something like that |
| 17:08.24 | stew | PumpkinPie: its mentioned in this channel 30 or so times a day |
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| 17:08.42 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 17:08.43 | pickcoder | TheLinuxLichBR: is it onboard SATA? |
| 17:08.47 | Feax | how can I extract a .tar.bz2 ? |
| 17:09.12 | nkuttler | Feax: tar xvjf file, man tar |
| 17:09.19 | JordiGH | What's L1? Some kind of memory cache in a processor? |
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| 17:09.30 | pickcoder | level one cache |
| 17:09.46 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Hm? Got a Wikipedia page for me? :-) |
| 17:09.48 | Feax | nkuttler, that say me bzip2 cannot exec, no such file or directory |
| 17:09.58 | pickcoder | it's primary cache for the CPU |
| 17:10.00 | Braindead | Feax: install it? |
| 17:10.11 | Feax | Braindead, apt-get install tar ? |
| 17:10.18 | pickcoder | it's the fastest SRAM |
| 17:10.18 | nkuttler | Feax: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 17:10.27 | pickcoder | and normally the smallest amount due to cost |
| 17:10.28 | Braindead | installit |
| 17:10.35 | Braindead | !installit |
| 17:10.35 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 17:10.42 | pickcoder | level 2 feeds level 1 as the instructions are executed |
| 17:10.43 | Feax | thanks nkuttler |
| 17:10.50 | whadar | xen 3.0.3 is scheduled to be included in etch release ? |
| 17:11.02 | pickcoder | I think DCA was the bomb and this l1 + l2 is silly |
| 17:11.13 | pickcoder | but oh well.. Beta didn't beat VHS |
| 17:11.16 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:11.17 | phanter | hi there, how can I convince apache2 that it has to show php pages and not let me download them :s? |
| 17:11.57 | Braindead | !tell phanter about pgp |
| 17:11.59 | Braindead | ooops |
| 17:12.00 | TheLinuxLichBR | pickcoder yes, it is onboard |
| 17:12.01 | Braindead | !tell phanter about php |
| 17:12.30 | Bobhiper | Installation is ok, but I dont know how to run that? |
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| 17:12.59 | pickcoder | TheLinuxLichBR: then maybe it's a Via 8251? |
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| 17:13.12 | pickcoder | TheLinuxLichBR: the support is limited until 2.6.18 |
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| 17:13.20 | Braindead | Bobhiper: how is djgpp related to Debian? |
| 17:13.21 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 17:13.32 | pickcoder | TheLinuxLichBR: many AMD Asus boards use it |
| 17:14.10 | Feax | !info skype |
| 17:14.24 | Feax | where is the skype package ? |
| 17:14.37 | cydork | Feax: on skype site? |
| 17:14.44 | Braindead | Feax: ask dpkg? |
| 17:14.53 | TheLinuxLichBR | pickcoder yeah, it could be compatibility |
| 17:14.57 | Feax | cydork, it is writed apt-get on skype's website :D |
| 17:15.04 | DevilChaos | ive had gentoo running on this f***ing laptop to see what modules are missing when xserver loads and i went into the xorg.conf file to see what i had missed snd there is only on thing i can see there is glcore i have synaptics in for my mouse anyone any ideas? |
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| 17:15.37 | DevilChaos | vesa driver ati gfx card |
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| 17:15.47 | sclebo05 | is this #debian or #gentoo ? |
| 17:16.10 | DevilChaos | yeah i know its debian but i used a livecd |
| 17:16.22 | cydork | Feax: i dont think so unless they have debian repo. |
| 17:16.27 | DevilChaos | to check what got loaded |
| 17:16.35 | JordiGH | A gentoo livecd? |
| 17:16.44 | DevilChaos | yeah why? |
| 17:16.45 | sclebo05 | DevilChaos: if you use a knoppix disc, it will be a little closer than a gentoo one |
| 17:17.02 | JordiGH | Or Kanotix even, reputedly better hardware detection. |
| 17:17.06 | DevilChaos | knoppix why? |
| 17:17.14 | Braindead | and anyway he still didn't tell us the problem |
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| 17:17.20 | JordiGH | Knopix is actually apt-based unlike Gentoo. |
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| 17:17.29 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 17:17.30 | Braindead | he just vaguely mentioned "missing modules" |
| 17:17.38 | Feax | cydork, http://www.skypefr.net/content/view/35/46/ |
| 17:17.41 | sclebo05 | aren't we all ? |
| 17:17.44 | DevilChaos | knoppix obtain please? |
| 17:17.48 | Braindead | Feax: ask the damn bot |
| 17:17.49 | sclebo05 | knopper.net |
| 17:17.52 | Braindead | !tell Feax about skype |
| 17:17.52 | JordiGH | !google kanotix |
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| 17:18.49 | DevilChaos | mmmmmmmmk |
| 17:19.06 | Feax | thanks Braindead |
| 17:19.45 | Braindead | JordiGH: you're an evil mastermind |
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| 17:20.27 | JordiGH | Braindead: Yes. >:) |
| 17:21.44 | stew | Feax: it would be illegal for debian to distribute skype, and if it were, debian wouldn't as the skype licensing terms violate debian policy |
| 17:22.05 | Feax | okay stew |
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| 17:23.23 | stew | i'd rather see skype support one of the perfectly good open protocols that already exist like sip or iax |
| 17:23.29 | Braindead | yeah. and world peace |
| 17:23.43 | JordiGH | And free drivers for 3d video cards. |
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| 17:24.55 | JordiGH | VTK makes me a little uncomfortable. It's on a BSD-like license, but its mailing lists are full of talk of "commercial" code, Win32 intricacies, this "Darwin" kernel thing, and everyone top-posts. |
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| 17:25.21 | cydork | JordiGH: VTK? |
| 17:25.22 | Braindead | JordiGH: at least they don't use CAPS |
| 17:25.22 | JordiGH | However, VTK is DFSG-free, it seems, even though it doesn't have free documentation. I get a feeling it should go in contrib instead. |
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| 17:25.38 | JordiGH | !info libvtk5 |
| 17:25.43 | dpkg | libvtk5: (Visualization Toolkit - A high level 3D visualization library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 7718 kB, Installed size: 25244 kB |
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| 17:26.43 | JordiGH | Well, you can get some free documentation on its classes, but putting together that information without the book you have to buy from Kitware is a Herculean task. |
| 17:27.39 | JordiGH | Braindead: I so love the trim-posting in the Debian lists. It's like Canada: everyone is so polite when they tell each other to fuck off. :-) |
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| 17:32.15 | ceddec | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 17:32.59 | JordiGH | Well, without quotes. |
| 17:33.54 | infernix | does someone know of a way to filter those freekin' gif spams with randomized pixels? I'm getting fed up with it and since all gifs have different checksums i'm guessing none of the razor/pyzor/dcc checks will ever flag them. |
| 17:34.07 | SerajewelKS | is lm_sensors included in etch kernels now? lm-sensors-source isn't in etch. |
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| 17:34.25 | JordiGH | infernix: Hm. Gmail catches almost all of them. :-/ |
| 17:34.41 | odla | iceape is so cool |
| 17:34.56 | JordiGH | iceape? |
| 17:34.58 | infernix | JordiGH: yeah well, I'm not fond of routing my mail through gmail, let alone customer mail for a few hundred domains. :) |
| 17:35.15 | DevilChaos | ok so ive downloaded the stable kernel from kanotix.com 2.6.18.1-kanotx-1 and i dont think that is the live cd is it? |
| 17:35.29 | odla | JordiGH: debian's seamonkey |
| 17:36.15 | odla | http://hjh.passys.nl/Debian/Experimental/ <- experimental packages here |
| 17:36.34 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: Er. Is it an iso? Are you running a GNU/Linux distro right now? What does "file 2.6.18.1-kanotx-1" say? |
| 17:36.40 | JordiGH | odla: Why is it in experimental? |
| 17:37.01 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: in any 2.6 kernel |
| 17:37.17 | odla | JordiGH: not sure...seamonkey hadn't reached sid yet |
| 17:37.17 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yeah i just found an article on d-a =D |
| 17:37.24 | odla | JordiGH: it's stable |
| 17:37.34 | whadar | is it possible to customize debian so the whole system is controlled by config files under a user's homedir? i.e. what daemons should run, which desktop environment should be loaded on startup... |
| 17:37.40 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: Btw, before we continue, we need to establish your devotion to Debian first. You're running Kanotix because you want to fix a hardware problem with Debian, right? |
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| 17:37.57 | odla | JordiGH: he he |
| 17:37.57 | valdyn | whadar: what would be the point of that? |
| 17:38.07 | DevilChaos | JordiGH: no iso doh |
| 17:38.17 | DevilChaos | its a zip file with .debs |
| 17:38.41 | DevilChaos | do you have a url for download live cd please? |
| 17:38.49 | JordiGH | Do you solemnly swear to protect and uphold the Debian Free Software Guidelines from all enemies local and foreign, so help you Tux? |
| 17:39.00 | cydork | JordiGH: Amen |
| 17:39.00 | DevilChaos | yeah |
| 17:39.01 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: One moment. I think I do. |
| 17:39.07 | DevilChaos | ta |
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| 17:40.06 | whadar | I want to build a full-blown debian system that every user could customize and get it's own "computer"... this computer would have all desktops installed, but every user will get his favourite desktop |
| 17:40.34 | DevilChaos | and....... |
| 17:40.37 | JordiGH | whadar: Switching desktops is trivial. You just pick from a menu the one you want when you login. |
| 17:40.55 | valdyn | whadar: picking session per user is trivial and reasonable, but what you are proposing is .. |
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| 17:41.05 | JordiGH | isn't. |
| 17:41.08 | odla | whadar: all desktops? |
| 17:41.11 | odla | that's a lot |
| 17:41.25 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/KANOTIX-2006-01-RC4.iso |
| 17:41.32 | whadar | i don't care if the software will be even 100GB... |
| 17:41.32 | SerajewelKS | okay, i ran sensors-detect and it found a sensor. however, sensors tells me it can't find any sensors. the kernel module that sensors-detect thinks works with the sensor is loaded. |
| 17:41.32 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 17:41.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 17:42.05 | odla | kde, gnome, xfce, cde, icewm, fluxbox, openbox, ion3, windowmaker, e16, e17...just to name a few window managers |
| 17:42.14 | whadar | odla: i know |
| 17:42.21 | odla | whadar: why so many? |
| 17:42.24 | tompaw69 | erm... what could be messed, when ping <ip_address> works great, but ping <host_name> works veeeery sloooow. (ping reply time the same, but when using hostname, there's like 5sec pause between pings) |
| 17:42.26 | infernix | whadar: maybe you want to use chroots instead. |
| 17:42.29 | JordiGH | KDE is a window manager? Then what's kwin? |
| 17:42.36 | valdyn | whadar: in gdm every user can by default PICK one 'desktop environment' before logging in |
| 17:42.41 | odla | JordiGH: well and metacity is and not gnome..i know |
| 17:42.49 | odla | JordiGH: kwin is the wm |
| 17:43.01 | JordiGH | odla: Sorry. I'm just being a smartass. |
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| 17:43.12 | odla | !smite jordigh |
| 17:43.29 | SerajewelKS | grr |
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| 17:43.44 | JordiGH | Ooh. FSM is looking for bloggers. |
| 17:43.44 | diilbertAtWork | Where do I find the chtheme utility for gtk 2.0... I can't remember were it is I checked main non-free and contrib stable... Any ideas / |
| 17:43.57 | wega_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.11 | whadar | i want to achieve a "network computer"... any user would nfs mount (or something smarter) the full blown filesystem... |
| 17:44.13 | JordiGH | wega_: There isn't such a thing as good rlogin. |
| 17:44.19 | DevilChaos | rc2 do?cant get to the url you gave me but i cant get 2006 rc2? |
| 17:44.20 | valdyn | diilbertAtWork: gtk-theme-switch |
| 17:44.34 | SerajewelKS | why would `sensors` detect no sensors when `sensors-detect` did? |
| 17:44.39 | diilbertAtWork | valdyn: I think that is jsut for gtk 1 |
| 17:44.40 | wega_ | well i mean getting it to work is all, i know it is insecure |
| 17:44.44 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: It should be ok. It's just a lightly older version of Kanotix. |
| 17:44.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that's different tools |
| 17:44.48 | wega_ | but it is for open environments |
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| 17:44.51 | diilbertAtWork | When I try installing it... it wants to install gtk 1 |
| 17:45.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327 |
| 17:45.06 | whadar | and each user will get it's personalized desktop, from the same root filesystem |
| 17:45.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: mm, but you probably knew that already, sensors can only display the sensors that have drivers loaded |
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| 17:45.33 | whadar | think it is possible ? |
| 17:45.34 | diilbertAtWork | valdyn: nm I was wrong :p |
| 17:45.36 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: sensors-detect loaded the drivers |
| 17:46.04 | JordiGH | whadar: That's easy. Just put an NFS mount point in /etc/fstab. You want to set up a Debian network, and the choices you want to be available for users are already there by default. |
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| 17:46.24 | DevilChaos | #doh sorry i am bad for typos :) |
| 17:46.26 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: didnt know that that tool loads drivers |
| 17:46.37 | JordiGH | I know Debian networks like that can be set up, but I don't know how to do it. |
| 17:46.58 | valdyn | whadar: that is the DEFAULT in debian |
| 17:47.01 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well it /said/ it did |
| 17:47.04 | whadar | JordiGH: and the choices you want to be available for users are already there by default ? can you explain? |
| 17:47.26 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: okay maybe it didn't, lsmod doesn't seem to think they're there =) |
| 17:47.32 | valdyn | whadar: why dont you create 2 users and customise each users desktop? |
| 17:47.41 | JordiGH | whadar: If you install GNOME and KDE, say, then from kdm or gdm (or whatever other desktop manager you want to use) you can pick one of those sessions. |
| 17:47.42 | whadar | valdyn: i know most parts work like that by default... |
| 17:47.55 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: even if i modprobe them, lsmod doesn't show them. no errors though. |
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| 17:48.18 | DevilChaos | JordiGH:there isnt a kernel i586 i have installed i686 kernel i take it that is the closeist i can get to the right one? |
| 17:48.22 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: fishy, do you use _ or - in module names? |
| 17:48.35 | whadar | the parts that im not sure about are root related (daemons for example) |
| 17:48.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: modprobe i2c-nforce2 i2c-isa w83l785ts eeprom w83627hf |
| 17:48.47 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i mean, i dont get why lsmod s should be broken |
| 17:48.52 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: That should be fine. You have a Pentium II/III or so? |
| 17:49.04 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no messages to the console. `lsmod | grep w8` says nothing. |
| 17:49.06 | DevilChaos | celeron m |
| 17:49.22 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: Should be fine. Try it. |
| 17:49.29 | whadar | valdyn: yes i can do it i think - i will create two users |
| 17:49.32 | DevilChaos | its running now |
| 17:49.34 | SerajewelKS | oh here we go |
| 17:49.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: FATAL: Error inserting w83l785ts (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-k7/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83l785ts.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 17:49.43 | DevilChaos | the kernel i mean |
| 17:50.20 | JordiGH | Kernel? |
| 17:50.27 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: apparently 'modprobe a b c d` only loads "a" |
| 17:50.34 | JordiGH | !waytd DevilChaos |
| 17:50.40 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: if i do them in order by themselves they insert fine |
| 17:50.43 | JordiGH | !wayttd DevilChaos |
| 17:50.43 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: modinfo <that module path> |
| 17:50.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DevilChaos? |
| 17:50.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that error is still a bug.. |
| 17:50.47 | stew | SerajewelKS: yes, it passed b c d as arguments to the module named a |
| 17:50.56 | cydork | why will anyone put ndiswrapper in cd 9? |
| 17:51.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: err nm, you just passed broken 'parameters' ) |
| 17:51.08 | SerajewelKS | stew: yeah, i knew that really. still a pebkac though |
| 17:51.11 | DevilChaos | get xserver working |
| 17:51.29 | DevilChaos | bugging the shit out me |
| 17:51.32 | valdyn | !tell DevilChaos -about ask |
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| 17:51.35 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hey whaddayaknow, sensors gives some real output now |
| 17:51.36 | valdyn | !tell DevilChaos -about smart questions |
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| 17:51.45 | valdyn | !wine SerajewelKS |
| 17:51.49 | valdyn | !win SerajewelKS |
| 17:51.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, SerajewelKS! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 17:52.47 | DevilChaos | yeah i know about ask and all that |
| 17:53.31 | whadar | let me focus my question... is everything in debian can be configured at the user level and not at the whole system level (by root)? |
| 17:53.47 | pickcoder | whadar: why would you want to do that? |
| 17:54.07 | whadar | because i want one system for many many users |
| 17:54.24 | DevilChaos | ok so i have i686 kernel debian sid with gnome and gdm on an asus laptop with ati radeon pciexpress 200m gfx card trying to configure xserver |
| 17:54.24 | pickcoder | whadar: look at virutal servers |
| 17:54.32 | SerajewelKS | god i love microsoft errors. setup.exe: "something failed, check this log" log: "There was an unexpected failure." |
| 17:54.39 | JordiGH | whadar: "Everything"? Like the packages installed, the IP address of the computer, the filesystems that can be mounted? |
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| 17:54.48 | whadar | pickcoder: virtual machines? |
| 17:54.52 | cydork | whadar: then you will be looking at borked system :) |
| 17:54.54 | SerajewelKS | me: "NO SHIT" |
| 17:55.04 | JordiGH | whadar: The printers that are available? The hardware drivers? |
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| 17:55.32 | whadar | JordiGH: yes |
| 17:55.35 | DevilChaos | JordiGH: im downloading the kanotix iso now and ill use it to look at xorg .conf yes? |
| 17:55.57 | whadar | JordiGH: resolution, daemons... |
| 17:55.59 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Yeah. I so prefer three screenfulls of linker errors in gcc when I forget to pass a -lthelib option. :-) |
| 17:56.18 | DevilChaos | or is there a command to see what modules are laoded for the xserver through kanotix? |
| 17:56.26 | JordiGH | whadar: Why would you want someone to be able to install two different kinds of hardware drivers on the same physical machine? |
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| 17:56.41 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: that's still better than "something went wrong, good luck figuring out what it is" |
| 17:56.51 | whadar | JordiGH: because it is not the same physical machine :) |
| 17:57.09 | rpetre | SerajewelKS: they progressed. there didn't use to be a log |
| 17:57.14 | JordiGH | whadar: I don't understand what you're trying to do. Set up a network? |
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| 17:57.34 | whadar | it's a networked filesystem serving many users on different diskless machines |
| 17:57.35 | SerajewelKS | rpetre: yeah, next step: make it useful |
| 17:57.51 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Indeed. But sometimes, f'rinstance, I would like it if gcc could give absolute pathnames instead of that ../../../ nonsense. |
| 17:58.04 | rpetre | only the dreaded "the installer has encountered an unexpected error and will now close" |
| 17:58.05 | SerajewelKS | rpetre: i make logs too, though they usually get flushed down the toilet. |
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| 17:58.15 | infernix | whadar: you might want to look at openQNX |
| 17:58.25 | infernix | whadar: in any case, virtualization is the way to go for you. |
| 17:58.29 | SerajewelKS | rpetre: and they're still more useful than this sql server setup log |
| 17:58.42 | JordiGH | Since someone else seems to have figured out what whadar wants, I'll shut up. :-) |
| 17:58.49 | whadar | Infernix: thanks... im looking... |
| 17:59.01 | whadar | JordiGH: lol |
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| 17:59.20 | infernix | whadar: you could use qemu and boot qemu images off NFS (better use gigabit), or you can use Xen with openqnx or other network-boot-virtual-machine solutions |
| 17:59.35 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I've often wondered if MS is afraid of someone figuring out how its software works if it gave more informative errors. |
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| 17:59.45 | whadar | infernix: i thought about it... |
| 18:00.08 | infernix | whadar: that's the only way to have a completely personalized linux installation. in all other cases you will be facing sharing issues, such as devices, proc, kernel (and modules/drivers) etc |
| 18:00.36 | whadar | infernix: would it be possible to serve one system for all? or customized images? |
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| 18:01.14 | Braindead | whadar: LTSP isn't enough flexible? |
| 18:01.19 | infernix | whadar: xen should be faster. and sure, you can start with a base image. or keep a base image at bootup and have all changes committed to a tmp file which is deleted at system shutdown |
| 18:01.29 | whadar | Braindead: no i dont want thin... |
| 18:01.42 | infernix | whadar: so any changes are gone afterwards. or you can have people start out with the same image and then maintain user specific VMs |
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| 18:02.24 | whadar | infernix: i want them to start with the same image and make changes to their ~ homedir... :) |
| 18:02.26 | infernix | whadar: you better have a very fat server running tho, with lots of ram and very fast disks (think raid 10) |
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| 18:03.05 | infernix | whadar: with VM that's irrelevant. the whole machine is virtual, changes are only applied inside the VM and you'd have one per user. |
| 18:03.17 | TheLinuxLichBR | stew hey, I tried wit Debian Wood and it detected my SATA |
| 18:03.20 | TheLinuxLichBR | auhauhhuahuauhauuhauhauha |
| 18:03.45 | whadar | infernix: what you are describing is the traditional way |
| 18:03.47 | infernix | whadar: in the case of progressing changes, you can update the starting VM image on regular basis, and mount the homedirs over NFS |
| 18:04.44 | DevilChaos | JordiGH: so kanotix is still debian then i can still use aptitude ? |
| 18:04.51 | whadar | imfernix: yes, home will be surely mounted |
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| 18:05.45 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: er... |
| 18:05.47 | JordiGH | !based on debian |
| 18:05.47 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:05.48 | whadar | infernix: why can't i keep one big VM image with any possible software and let my users configure their environment by changing only their home... cause that would be great |
| 18:05.56 | JordiGH | You can use aptitude with Kanotix. But it's not Debian. |
| 18:06.39 | whadar | infernix: i will keep that image updated |
| 18:06.43 | JordiGH | I don't think Knoppix or Kanotix have unique packages, though. They have a few shellscripts that Klaus Knopper et al wrote, but the rest is more Debian than Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 18:06.46 | infernix | whadar: 99% of all needed changes are already saved in the homedir. remember that normal users can't actually write elsewhere. |
| 18:06.52 | DevilChaos | bollocks to that i WANT DEBIAN! |
| 18:07.06 | Ronin | DevilChaos: then go get it grasshopper :) |
| 18:07.11 | whadar | infernix: yes debian is really fits for this... |
| 18:07.14 | tarzeau | there exists scripts to convert ubuntu into debian |
| 18:07.20 | rpetre | !debootstrap |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 18:07.25 | whadar | s/is really/ really |
| 18:07.35 | DevilChaos | im talking to you on debian on my laptop through bitchx |
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| 18:07.38 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: I thought you already had Debian and that you were using ye olde Knoppixe trique to diagnose an X problem. |
| 18:07.38 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 18:07.53 | DevilChaos | yes i am |
| 18:07.55 | infernix | whadar: you could try making symlinks for some stuff to a users homedir. but if you would link /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /home/joe/etc/xorg.conf, then what happens when user jack boots? he'd be running with user joe's xorg.conf. but i guess some scripting could fix that. |
| 18:08.00 | whadar | infernix: im concerned with that 1% precent :) is it crucial? |
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| 18:08.12 | infernix | whadar: it highly depends on what your users are doing on the machines. |
| 18:08.37 | DevilChaos | just wondered if id be better running kanotix thats all but i really want debian to work |
| 18:08.46 | whadar | infernix: for six pack joe it would be more than enough i guess :) |
| 18:08.50 | infernix | whadar: and of course the conencted hardware. if all machines are identical it shouldnt be a problem, and if the usage is equal i dont even know why you're bothering with that 1% ;) |
| 18:09.11 | DevilChaos | debian is the best will always be the best and forever be the best!!!!!! |
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| 18:09.28 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: If you install Kanotix to the hard drive and you do an aptitude dist-upgrade, you'll have something that is almost indistinguishable from Debian. |
| 18:09.33 | whadar | infernix: cause hardware won |
| 18:09.40 | whadar | won't be identical |
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| 18:10.25 | soppman | yo, i have a raid card with a single sata drive on it, so my debian sees it as a scsi disk, how do i know if i have dma or not? |
| 18:10.31 | jeward | Can anyone help me discover why vsftpd isn't starting? |
| 18:10.39 | infernix | whadar: i would try to build a very broad supportive kernel, but if there's more than a dozen different hardware configs that's gonna be challenging. i guess the debian kernel might work, i don't know (i always build my own) |
| 18:11.03 | whadar | infernix: livecd proved that it's not a concern |
| 18:11.19 | infernix | whadar: then it shouldnt be :) |
| 18:11.20 | Ronin | jeward: what happens when you try to start it? |
| 18:11.40 | jeward | Says it stafrfrts, but it doesn't. |
| 18:11.56 | jeward | Ronin: It says it starts, but it doesn't, |
| 18:12.17 | jeward | Ronin: Starting FTP server: vsftpd. |
| 18:12.17 | whadar | infernix: if debian is 99% ready for this, i think it possible to set up WAN based server, serving updated debian for all (with caching of course)... so one could get a personalized updated system without install! |
| 18:12.18 | Ronin | jeward: are you sure? on the vsftp machine can you ftp to it? |
| 18:12.43 | jeward | Ronin: ftp: connect: Connection refused |
| 18:13.11 | whadar | infernix: one (huge) system for all |
| 18:13.18 | jeward | Ronin: No daemon running and I have Listen=YES |
| 18:13.20 | JordiGH | And in the darkness bind them. |
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| 18:14.34 | mbn_18 | what happened to the php.ini in debian ? |
| 18:14.38 | infernix | whadar: it's an interesting project. you'd need a few clusters for availability, but it sounds like a challenge. is it hypothesis or a real-world case? |
| 18:14.51 | jeward | Ronin: It doesn't appear to log. |
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| 18:15.27 | Ronin | jeward: checked the vsftpd.conf regarding where logging etc? |
| 18:15.40 | whadar | infernix: real world! thinking bout it a long time, and proved it can work on LANs... take a look at moka5.com their doing something similar |
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| 18:16.31 | JordiGH | How come games like Wesnoth, Nexuiz, and Armagetron have no problem playing sound whether arts is running or not, but stuff like rhythmbox can't work if arts is running too? |
| 18:16.32 | whadar | infernix: you think it can be a debian project? |
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| 18:16.54 | jeward | Ronin: checking |
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| 18:17.18 | infernix | whadar: if I'd do it, debian would be a part of it, but it involves more than just the OS :) |
| 18:17.30 | GooE | any idea why 2 PCs connected to a linux router can't communicate with each other unless i turn on proxy_arp or bridging? |
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| 18:18.08 | smyows | anybody uses reiser4 here? |
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| 18:18.10 | jeward | Ronin: Logging is enabled and: xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log |
| 18:18.28 | whadar | infernix: yes i know, it's a very ambitious project... maybe you should be part of it ;) |
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| 18:19.20 | smyows | if you want, test my unofficial patchof reiser4 to linux 2.6.18 on www.youare.not.br ;) |
| 18:19.29 | infernix | whadar: i would have the time for it. are you looking for people, or just for help? :) |
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| 18:19.49 | jelly | f'n spammers |
| 18:19.53 | jeward | Ronin: ls: v*: No such file or directory |
| 18:20.03 | jeward | Ronin: Nothing in /var/log. |
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| 18:20.54 | g00se | What's the correct way to 'get back' after dchroot? |
| 18:21.12 | DevilChaos | exit |
| 18:21.15 | whadar | infernix: im looking for people... i started a LAN based solution called Vamos project (vamos.bountysource.com), but now I think i can take it on step further - "computing on demand" over the WAN |
| 18:21.15 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 18:21.25 | toresbe | uh |
| 18:21.26 | toresbe | jelly* |
| 18:21.27 | mbn_18 | anyone use debian testing with php5 ? |
| 18:21.42 | g00se | DevilChaos: OK - have been doing that |
| 18:21.43 | jelly | toresbe: yeah baby! |
| 18:22.18 | toresbe | purty, ain't it. |
| 18:22.28 | jelly | toresbe: never looked at the link ;-) |
| 18:22.36 | infernix | whadar: i'll drop you an e-mail with some info in a minute. |
| 18:22.47 | whadar | infernix: great... |
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| 18:23.09 | PupenoR | I have a bind running on Debian that is returning records that I inserted earlier today (I know because of the serial), since then the serial has been incremented 6 times and named restarted about 50 times. The box itself was restarted. When bind starts, in the logs it shows the right serials, but when I query it (from itself directly) I see old records and old serials. Any ideas ? |
| 18:23.13 | toresbe | heh |
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| 18:23.28 | usr_rob | Thinking of buying a Thinkpad X40, anoyone in here with running any open source OS on it? Is it a Good choice? Never had a Thinkpad before. Thinking about the T41/T60 too. |
| 18:23.54 | valdyn | usr_rob: there's nothing better |
| 18:24.01 | jelly | usr_rob: thinkwiki.org is a good source. |
| 18:24.08 | xai | Someone suggested that we use "init 6" instead of shutdown -h now for our UPSD (nut) power system. Won't "init 6" reboot the system? |
| 18:24.11 | usr_rob | jelly: thx! |
| 18:24.20 | Firztspawn | currently adding a kernel to debian stable (first time with Debian)... the howto Im following suggests tk8.2 which comes back obsoleted, what version is current (for stable) |
| 18:24.26 | xai | What's the fast/safe way to halt and powerdown? |
| 18:24.38 | infernix | xai: shutdown -h now |
| 18:24.50 | Firztspawn | shutdown -hP now |
| 18:24.55 | valdyn | Firztspawn: none at all, use make menuconfig |
| 18:24.56 | usr_rob | valdyn: Yeah! OpenBSD supports the most by default i read. |
| 18:24.57 | jelly | usr_rob: maybe ##ibmthinkpad |
| 18:24.57 | Firztspawn | or is it -h -P |
| 18:25.00 | infernix | xai: whether if it powers down depends on its apm/acpi support |
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| 18:25.22 | usr_rob | jelly: thx! |
| 18:25.26 | valdyn | usr_rob: if it wasnt for that damn new intel wireless chipset, debian would completely support it i guess |
| 18:25.26 | dutche- | does anybody knows a good dvd ripper? |
| 18:25.41 | valdyn | usr_rob: now you need to run intels proprietary daemon |
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| 18:25.54 | usr_rob | valdyn: i agree! ral is better. |
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| 18:26.09 | daeos | Im trying to connect to my deb box via windows so i can access a certain file , maybe through samba? but how would I go about doing that? Would there be a program i'd need for windows ? |
| 18:26.10 | xai | infernix: I guess I need to add acpi then. |
| 18:26.33 | daeos | almost like... mounting a folder in deb for windows to use |
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| 18:27.04 | XoR | wich package i need install? =>/usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:27.06 | valdyn | daeos: you dont need anything on the windows side, you need to setup samba on debian |
| 18:27.09 | cydork | daeos: why not use something like winscp? |
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| 18:27.37 | daeos | valdyn: i believe samba is setup, how would i access it via windows? smb:// ?? |
| 18:27.46 | daeos | cydork: i don't know what that is |
| 18:27.49 | abrotman | !tell xor about search |
| 18:27.51 | valdyn | daeos: from windows? |
| 18:27.57 | usr_rob | valdyn: I'm running ndiswrapper now, but i should buy a supported wlan card, it's worth it! |
| 18:28.00 | jelly | usr_rob: I have an R52 at work, installing ubuntu went without a hitch. Atheros chipset for wireless. Also a Z60m at home, using free ipw2200 drivers. They work. |
| 18:28.04 | valdyn | daeos: this isnt really a windows support channel |
| 18:28.23 | usr_rob | jelly: nice! |
| 18:28.24 | daeos | valdyn: i know, but im using deb to do it |
| 18:28.25 | riot | how do i change the order my soundcards get setup with udev? its random every time i boot :( |
| 18:28.59 | daeos | valdyn: so as long as smb is running, i'll have to go find some way of getting windows to connect via smb right? |
| 18:28.59 | valdyn | daeos: ask in a windows support channel. Not like it makes a different FOR WINDOWS, on which OS the fileserver runs |
| 18:29.17 | daeos | deb |
| 18:29.22 | daeos | valdyn: server is on deb |
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| 18:29.40 | infernix | whadar: inspirational roadmap :) |
| 18:29.49 | jelly | usr_rob: the modem was about the only thing requiring nonfree drivers on the entry level Z60m (intel wifi, intel graphics, MMC works since 2.6.17, fingerprint reader supposedly works too) |
| 18:30.38 | whadar | infernix: the site needs lots of work... :) many things ive done are not there yet... |
| 18:30.47 | usr_rob | jelly: Sounds great! Nice to get som info. |
| 18:31.09 | daeos | cydork: winscp, that will work i hope |
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| 18:31.46 | whadar | infernix: i rely a lot on "debian-live" project |
| 18:32.12 | whadar | infernix: bbl, can you send me your details? |
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| 18:32.24 | infernix | whadar: working on it. check your mail later:) |
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| 18:33.06 | whadar | thanks |
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| 18:34.35 | probono | hi all, is there a way to print apt-get dependency tree of a given package (in ascii)? |
| 18:34.54 | JordiGH | tree? |
| 18:34.59 | probono | e.g. "apt-get install xvier --print-tree" ? |
| 18:35.05 | JordiGH | What it depends on or what depends on it? |
| 18:35.19 | JordiGH | And it's not a tree. :-/ |
| 18:35.23 | probono | JordiGH, the packages that are missing on my system are displayed |
| 18:35.32 | sclebo05 | apt-cache show *package* doesnt show tree |
| 18:35.32 | probono | but i would like to know how they relate to each other |
| 18:35.56 | probono | e.g. "apt-get install kde" shows me a lot of packages to be installed |
| 18:36.01 | JordiGH | probono: The relationships are complicated. It's not just "this depends on that" but also, "this provides that" and "this conflicts with that". |
| 18:36.07 | probono | but i would like to see why so many are needed |
| 18:36.15 | epsilon | there's only one relation: dependency |
| 18:36.18 | JordiGH | !kde |
| 18:36.19 | dpkg | somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 18:36.22 | JordiGH | !kde-base |
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| 18:36.26 | JordiGH | !install kde |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 18:36.41 | probono | this was just an example |
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| 18:37.06 | JordiGH | epsilon: No. It's not just dependency. Conflicting packages also complicate the so-called "dependency tree'. |
| 18:37.07 | probono | basically i am looking for a way to make graphically transparent the calculations that apt-get install does |
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| 18:37.35 | JordiGH | probono: Wouldn't we all... aptitude exists because dependency resolution isn't just about traversing a dependency tree. |
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| 18:38.03 | JordiGH | Also, packages cease to exist, newer packages take their place... It's all a big mess. |
| 18:38.08 | eeyore- | JordiGH: probono is looking for equivalent of "emerge -ptv <package-name>" |
| 18:38.17 | probono | JordiGH, i am pretty sure that apt-get install does that internally, i just didn't find a way yet to increase verbosity enough |
| 18:38.21 | levander | So I get up this morning, and try to start emacs off my Linux box (or any x-client for that matter) and attach it to the Xming server display on my XP box. But, I keep getting this error " wrong authentication protocol attempted". Anybody know what the problem is? I'm using putty to connect to the Linux box. |
| 18:38.31 | eeyore- | if gentoo could do it, surely apt should, too |
| 18:38.52 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Does gentoo get it right? |
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| 18:39.09 | eeyore- | JordiGH: oh sure, the -t (tree, dependency) is spot-on |
| 18:39.36 | eeyore- | JordiGH: helps me out many time :-) when i had to find out why the heck gcc 3.4.6 kept getting installed, for example |
| 18:39.52 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Then debian's apt system should probably be simplified beforehand. Also, ocassinally there are circular dependencies in the "tree", although they're usually regarded as bugs. |
| 18:40.07 | JordiGH | occasionally |
| 18:40.08 | tolecnal | hmmmm, amarok segfaults after a dist-upgrade under testing.. anyone else experienced this? |
| 18:40.24 | probono | eeyore-, yes that's what i'm looking for |
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| 18:40.43 | probono | eeyore-, can that only be done in gentoo? |
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| 18:41.30 | probono | is there a way to increase verbosity during the "Calculating dependency tree..." phase of apt-get? |
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| 18:41.42 | JordiGH | probono: No. |
| 18:41.51 | JordiGH | probono: Unless you hack the apt library yourself. |
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| 18:42.03 | probono | too bad :( |
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| 18:43.01 | S4nD3r | how to clean printer raw ??? |
| 18:43.22 | sanzo-ma | anyone has a clue about how long we'll have to wait for all php5-* libraries to be recompiled for 5.2? (it's matter of days or weeks?) |
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| 18:43.37 | JordiGH | !wir |
| 18:43.37 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:43.41 | S4nD3r | how to clean printer jobs ??? |
| 18:44.14 | JordiGH | S4nD3r: lrm job-id |
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| 18:44.32 | JordiGH | s/lrm/lprm |
| 18:45.06 | riot | how do i change the order, udev sets up my (two) soundcards? right now, they both get set up, but the order switches randomly on every reboot, which is a pain in the ass. |
| 18:45.06 | S4nD3r | lrm is not installed |
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| 18:46.06 | abrotman | udev rules |
| 18:46.13 | Sylinc | Does anybody know how to make br2684ctl work? (an ethernet bridge for ADSL) |
| 18:46.59 | JordiGH | probono: If you want to have finer control of what gets installed and why then what apt-get provides, you should use aptitude. You might want to reconsider aptitude's default of treating recommends as dependencies, which can be changed from its options. Install whatever you were trying to install. Then analyse the solutions it proposes. Use tab to look at what gets installed and what doesn't. You can forbid a certain action during the resolutions with 'r' ( |
| 18:47.09 | JordiGH | probono: something with 'a' (accept). |
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| 18:47.28 | JordiGH | S4nD3r: Sorry, typo. lprm, not lrm. |
| 18:47.43 | JordiGH | S4nD3r: lpq tells you the print jobs and their ids. |
| 18:47.55 | probono | JordiGH, thanks |
| 18:48.00 | eeyore- | probono: what's the big deal? :-) no, seriously .. is it because you have some packages you don't want installed? |
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| 18:48.22 | eeyore- | probono: it's not like you have a choice ... debian precompiled packages are what they are. what they require, well, they *do* require, so you can't get around that |
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| 18:49.20 | eeyore- | JordiGH: it's gonna be there a long time :-) |
| 18:49.27 | probono | eeyore-, i am trying to create binary "bundles" of debian packages in a lsb-compliant way |
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| 18:49.44 | probono | and for that, i need to know why some libs keep geeting installed |
| 18:49.48 | eeyore- | probono: uh ... ah ... a what? |
| 18:50.15 | eeyore- | probono: some libs keep getting installed because they are mentioned as dependencies of some packages. |
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| 18:50.32 | Sylinc | pleasee....... I can't make an Internet connection because pppoe is not working in any way...... |
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| 18:50.53 | probono | eeyore-, that's clear, but i'd simply specify further the "some" ;-) |
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| 18:51.03 | probono | http://klik.atekon.de/wiki/index.php/LSB describes what i'm experimenting with |
| 18:51.13 | erdan | hi, could someone help me with a hp pavvilion ze4900 xwin driver selection ? .. hardware info.. or similar.. ? |
| 18:51.39 | Smooph | hey is there somebody who knows how i can define a parameter in grub |
| 18:52.09 | Firztspawn | to compile the kernel, is the command make-kpkg kernel_image or make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 18:52.27 | sclebo05 | first one |
| 18:52.31 | Firztspawn | k |
| 18:52.34 | Firztspawn | thanx |
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| 18:54.18 | rgsteele | wahoo. finally got sa-exim to stop scanning local messages |
| 18:54.46 | abrotman | !beer rgsteele |
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| 18:54.56 | rgsteele | Sweet, a Belgian white |
| 18:54.57 | JordiGH | A url to the gpl, please? |
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| 18:57.16 | JordiGH | And is there any one official BSD license? Hm. Maybe I should just attach the /usr/share/doc/common-licenses/* stuff to this email. |
| 18:57.40 | pickcoder | probono: ldd is your friend |
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| 18:59.04 | probono | pickcoder, yes that could work, a lot of manual work though |
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| 18:59.36 | franki | hello, i've configured a imap server with cyrus, my user have unfortunately there mailboxes in mbox format is there a tool to have them converted? |
| 18:59.37 | pickcoder | probono: how else can you determine which libraries are co-dependant? |
| 18:59.51 | pickcoder | probono: unless you want to download the source |
| 18:59.52 | Firztspawn | thanx for the help all :) |
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| 18:59.56 | probono | by making apt more verbose :) |
| 19:00.06 | probono | apt calculates these things :) |
| 19:00.23 | pickcoder | probono: apt is based on specs the developer puts in a config file |
| 19:00.23 | erdan | does someone know howto get graphic card info on debian ? |
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| 19:01.46 | aronofsky | hi, does anyone know a tool to convert pdf file to editable document ? |
| 19:02.27 | aronofsky | as openoffice file or something |
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| 19:16.16 | infernix | probono: just hack in some printf, aint hard. |
| 19:16.16 | JordiGH | probono: I can understand enough C to rewrite it as C++. :P Hold on, I'm browsing the source. |
| 19:16.16 | JordiGH | Well, I'm getting it first. Slow connection. :-/ |
| 19:16.16 | probono | cool :) |
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| 19:16.18 | pickcoder | probono: dpkg-depcheck -l <package> |
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| 19:16.18 | JordiGH | infernix: itym cou << stuff. :-) |
| 19:16.18 | pickcoder | apt-get install devscripts |
| 19:16.18 | JordiGH | cout |
| 19:16.18 | ayaa | i have a repeating problem when installing with apt-get, it says: "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:" ... how to check for that ? |
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| 19:16.19 | pickcoder | probono: that will show you the packages <package> depends on as well as the individual files it requires |
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| 19:16.19 | JordiGH | ayaa: you got a response above. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:16.19 | h3sp4wn | ayaa: check /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen |
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| 19:16.20 | CharminTheMoose | godamn .deb kernel doesn't have iptables support! |
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| 19:16.20 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: ? |
| 19:16.20 | PaSurf | How are drivers installed on Debian? |
| 19:16.21 | pickcoder | PaSurf: you need to be a LOT more specific than that |
| 19:16.21 | JordiGH | PaSurf: In a number of different ways. Your question is too vague. |
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| 19:16.21 | CharminTheMoose | my kernel that i downloaded via synaptic doesn't have iptables compiled into it.*sigh* guess i'll have to compile my own.. |
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| 19:16.22 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: sure it has. You might have to modprobe by hand though. |
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| 19:16.23 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: why would a debian kernel not have iptables ( as modules, sure not compiled in ) ? |
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| 19:16.24 | CharminTheMoose | maybe 'cos it sucks? |
| 19:16.24 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: which kernel version (or package version)? |
| 19:16.24 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 19:16.24 | probono | pickcoder, that's cool. though not exactly what i need, since i need to get this kind of info w/o installing the respective software first |
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| 19:16.25 | pickcoder | CharminTheMoose: modprobe ip_tables |
| 19:16.25 | CharminTheMoose | the kernel version is 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:16.25 | valdyn | iptables will load the modules automagically anyway |
| 19:16.25 | pickcoder | probono: if you are building a binary package, then how do you expect to get the binaries to bundle? |
| 19:16.25 | jelly | valdyn: well it obviously didn't in his case. |
| 19:16.25 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: run 'iptables --list' and tell us the output |
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| 19:16.26 | levander | I've got a mplayer process I can't kill. It's probably because I deleted the file it was recording to before killing the process. And, when I deleted the file, it didn't free the space on the disk. But, the file doesn't show up in ls output anymore. Anybody know how to kill the mplayer process? Maybe I need to close the file that mplayer is writing to first? |
| 19:16.26 | CharminTheMoose | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination |
| 19:16.26 | probono | pickcoder, by asking apt which packages are needed (against a set of packages that are assumed to be already present on most systems) |
| 19:16.26 | levander | But, don't know how to close that file. |
| 19:16.27 | CharminTheMoose | is what sudo iptables --list gives me |
| 19:16.27 | JordiGH | Hm, apt has a gpg key for the Ubuntu archive. I didn't know that. |
| 19:16.27 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: q.e.d, your kernel supports iptables |
| 19:16.28 | CharminTheMoose | so um modprobe ip_tables? |
| 19:16.28 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: there you go, if you didn't have iptables support it would complain. |
| 19:16.28 | CharminTheMoose | oh,my bad then |
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| 19:16.28 | jelly | !pabkac |
| 19:16.28 | jelly | !pebkac |
| 19:16.28 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 19:16.28 | pickcoder | probono: then I guess you're out of luck |
| 19:16.28 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: you dont need to load a module manually, your iptables is working ( so far ) |
| 19:16.29 | probono | pickcoder, it generally works reasonably well already, there are just some things to be debugged |
| 19:16.29 | JordiGH | Ooh, neato. Apt is in C++, not C. I feel at home! |
| 19:16.29 | pickcoder | probono: really? what do you use to see the file requirements? |
| 19:16.29 | probono | pickcoder, if you are really interested you can have a look at http://klik.atekon.de/apt/?package=xvier |
| 19:16.29 | CharminTheMoose | which is it that the 2.6 kernel uses?iptables or ipchains? |
| 19:16.29 | valdyn | JordiGH: eh? what is c++? |
| 19:16.30 | Caelum | JordiGH: that's culus' fault, he wrote it :) |
| 19:16.30 | JordiGH | valdyn :-) |
| 19:16.30 | valdyn | JordiGH: really, im surprised |
| 19:16.30 | valdyn | JordiGH: but you're right |
| 19:16.30 | probono | pickcoder, try the ?package= part with different packages |
| 19:16.30 | g00se | When executing dchroot -d, keep getting "No such file or directory" despite the fact that they're there. |
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| 19:16.31 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: I guess the correct thing to say would be: it uses netfilter, which provides iptables functionality among other stuff. |
| 19:16.32 | ayaa | how to generate a burning image iso file from a folder ? |
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| 19:16.35 | levander | I've got an errant process I can't kill. How do you close a file that's being accessed by it? |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | ayaa: mkisofs -o output.iso path/to/data |
| 19:16.45 | valdyn | ayaa: or you could just read the manpage |
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| 19:16.58 | JordiGH | levander: Kill Dash Nine, no more CPU time? |
| 19:17.20 | valdyn | levander: cant do that |
| 19:17.28 | levander | JordiGH: correct |
| 19:17.31 | valdyn | !zombie |
| 19:17.31 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 19:18.06 | levander | JordiGH: at least in the TIME column of 'ps -ef' output, it says 00:00:00 for that process |
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| 19:18.24 | Caelum | probono: what is that klik thing? |
| 19:18.31 | jelly | ayaa: mkisofs does that. A set of reasonable options could be: mkisofs -J -joliet-long -r -dir-mode 755 -file-mode 644 -p jelly -publisher jelly -o output-image.iso ... (files or folders go here, . for contents of the current directory) |
| 19:18.42 | levander | oh wait, the process is dead now, wonder how that happened |
| 19:19.10 | JordiGH | Where's that Doom process manager when you need it? |
| 19:19.28 | JordiGH | e.g. kill -shotgun pid |
| 19:19.32 | valdyn | levander: kill ( sans -9 ), tells the process to shut down cleanly, it can still do whatever it 'wants' to do to accomplish that |
| 19:19.45 | psychonate | JordiGH: isn't there one that deletes files too? |
| 19:20.14 | Caelum | what's the point of klik when there's apt-get? |
| 19:20.41 | JordiGH | Caelum: klik doesn't exist in Debian. |
| 19:20.58 | jelly | ayaa: you could also burn directly without creating an interim iso image, with something like mkisofs [options, but without -o image.iso] ... | cdrecord [options] -data |
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| 19:21.15 | jelly | ayaa: I have a script that does exactly that. |
| 19:21.19 | Caelum | JordiGH: seems to support it though. I guess it makes more sense on other dists |
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| 19:21.42 | JordiGH | Caelum: Heh, point is, you're being OT. What is klik anyways/ |
| 19:21.42 | JordiGH | ? |
| 19:21.46 | Caelum | ayaa: there's also a CD burning howto |
| 19:22.04 | vin` | Caelum: useful for casual meddling. |
| 19:22.05 | ximikos | is there a linux distro that doesnt have this /home,/var,/lib stuff and that its like windowsxp with a simple system folder etc? |
| 19:22.16 | JordiGH | ximikos: No. |
| 19:22.19 | valdyn | ximikos: use windows xp |
| 19:22.28 | Phated | Yeah, there actually is. |
| 19:22.30 | krassy | where i can find logs from my bind9 domain name server ? |
| 19:22.30 | JordiGH | ximikos: But you can try Linspire, which I hear attempts to hide how it's Linux. |
| 19:22.35 | ximikos | you wont tell me what to use sucker! |
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| 19:22.40 | Phated | jobolinux or something. |
| 19:22.52 | jelly | ximikos: well, it would be Linux then... Linux strives to be POSIX compliant unixy OS. |
| 19:22.57 | valdyn | its beyond my capabilities though to understand how the windows folder chaos can be called 'simple' |
| 19:22.58 | JordiGH | Phated: Really? Then it's not compliant with the standard. |
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| 19:23.11 | jelly | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 19:23.16 | Phated | JordiGH: Didn't you have me on ignore or something? Go back to that. |
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| 19:23.32 | JordiGH | Phated: no, you ignore me. Like I said before, I got nothing against you. :-) |
| 19:23.45 | ximikos | wtf lib contains? I cant even figure out how to go to my partitions |
| 19:23.59 | Phated | ximikos: http://gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance - but it is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. |
| 19:24.09 | jelly | !tell ximikos -about fhs |
| 19:24.28 | ximikos | nice |
| 19:24.30 | valdyn | krassy: /var/log/messages |
| 19:24.35 | Caelum | JordiGH: that's what I was wondering, someone else mentioned it. It looks actually somewhat useful: http://klik.atekon.de/wiki/index.php/What_is_klik\ |
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| 19:24.54 | ximikos | "it organizes the programs in your system in a new, logical way" thats it! |
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| 19:25.40 | jelly | ximikos: fhs and debian policy will tell you what is where. It's just a different way of organizing files around. |
| 19:25.41 | Caelum | Phated: I think you mean http://www.gobolinux.org/ |
| 19:25.43 | der_Metzger | I've got a font linespacing issue with sid and the latest version of the URW fonts. |
| 19:25.44 | JordiGH | ximikos: I guess it muse use a lot of symlinks, then. The nature of a GNU/Linux system is that everyone in the system needs (say) the libc6 library, which is why it goes in /usr/lib for everyone to find it. |
| 19:25.44 | Phated | ximikos: If you want to discuss that, it's offtopic in #debian. Join #gobolinux or whatthefuckever their channel is. |
| 19:25.54 | valdyn | ximikos: unix paths are documented, they are mostly standard across all unices, worth learning |
| 19:26.02 | ayaa | Caelum, thanks for help, i've solved the prob mkisofs |
| 19:26.07 | Phated | Caelum: Tell him <shrug>. |
| 19:26.16 | buu | Hrm. What is the "Right Way" to make exim4 listen on a port other than 25? |
| 19:26.18 | Phated | Caelum: And there isn't -really- a huge different, mmkay? |
| 19:26.18 | ximikos | #whatthefuckever |
| 19:26.28 | ayaa | anyone know how to disable the ipv6 support, i have a problem starting proftpd: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost.localdomain' error: Name or service not known |
| 19:26.31 | Caelum | I fucking hated how on sun machines there was tons of stuff in /opt/. I like my bins in /usr/bin :) |
| 19:26.40 | abrotman | there's a reason for that |
| 19:26.46 | buu | Hey, look, FAQs |
| 19:26.52 | nvz | ;) |
| 19:26.57 | jelly | Caelum: NO. their bins are in /usr/bin. Yours should be in /usr/local/bin. ;-) |
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| 19:27.01 | JordiGH | Actually, yes, it does use a bunch of symlinks. |
| 19:27.06 | JordiGH | it=gobolinux. |
| 19:27.06 | der_Metzger | I've seen this before with the freeserif-sans ones, and never solved it back then. It goes away if I downgrade to the previous package, but I suspect there's something else afoot since I've seen this before |
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| 19:27.32 | Caelum | ayaa: can you connect to the server? |
| 19:27.33 | krassy | valdyn:10x |
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| 19:27.45 | jelly | Caelum: I'll play dumb and ignore /opt/SUNW* stuff though ;-) |
| 19:28.00 | ayaa | ican't : 21 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
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| 19:28.03 | ayaa | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 19:28.03 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 19:28.04 | dpkg | well, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:28.06 | valdyn | ayaa: ^^^ |
| 19:28.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: a reason for the /opt thing in Solaris? |
| 19:28.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:28.44 | JordiGH | abrotman: The suspense is killing me, dude. What is it? |
| 19:28.49 | abrotman | do your own homework! |
| 19:28.53 | Caelum | heh |
| 19:28.55 | JordiGH | Bah! |
| 19:29.00 | Phated | !abrotman++ |
| 19:29.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: you should note that Solaris is not the only unix-ish OS to do that |
| 19:29.42 | infernix | there's apps for linux that insist on /opt, too |
| 19:30.03 | jelly | JordiGH: third party packages put their things in /opt/package. You wouldn't want them messing up your default OS path namespace. |
| 19:30.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: I think I saw something like that in OpenBSD too... but it was for the software my school (*gasp*) actually paid licenses for. |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | IIRC .. SuSE used it for a while .. and may still |
| 19:30.43 | JordiGH | jelly: That's what I thought... but why not /usr/local instead? Isn't that what that's for? |
| 19:30.57 | jelly | JordiGH: not the same thing. |
| 19:31.37 | abrotman | jelly: you ruined all the fun .. he was supposed to do his own homework |
| 19:31.39 | jelly | JordiGH: /usr/local is for stuff that the local sysadmin built, and all the packages there are, say, configured with prefix=/usr/local |
| 19:31.47 | probono | Caelum, klik is a way to use software without installing that software into the system |
| 19:31.51 | jelly | abrotman: :-P |
| 19:31.57 | probono | (very much like apple's app bundles) |
| 19:32.19 | JordiGH | abrotman: I've got plenty of homework to do already. Such as, trying to understand how Octaviz works. :-) |
| 19:32.22 | abrotman | jelly: it's not like it's a hard answer to find |
| 19:32.46 | jelly | JordiGH: /opt is much like C:\Program Files, one package in one folder. Sometimes one vendor one folder. |
| 19:32.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: can you tell me if xen supports multiple VMs using different outgoing VPNs over the same physical NIC ? |
| 19:33.08 | JordiGH | abrotman: What's your point? |
| 19:33.39 | infernix | abrotman: if the ring 0 os is running the VPNs and it's not bridged, I guess it can |
| 19:33.55 | abrotman | infernix: guess?!!? |
| 19:34.11 | JordiGH | jelly: I haven't really touched Windows in ages.... but thanks for the explanation. |
| 19:34.18 | infernix | abrotman: no Xen running here at the moment, sorry |
| 19:34.26 | jelly | JordiGH: fwiw, I have /opt/cxoffice and /opt/vmware on this machine. /opt/firefox would be reasonable too if you installed from the upstream. |
| 19:34.41 | JordiGH | Ah, found it: http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=562 |
| 19:34.42 | abrotman | infernix: i would need the xen VMs to run the VPN |
| 19:34.54 | abrotman | infernix: IOW .. they can't stay connected. |
| 19:34.55 | probono | klik basically makes it possible to run e.g. firefox from e.g. an usb stick |
| 19:35.23 | usr_rob | Anyone with a Epson Perfection scanner running on debian "etch"/testing? |
| 19:35.27 | JordiGH | jelly: The Firefox tarball installs to /usr/local by default. |
| 19:35.28 | abrotman | infernix: basically i'm looking for a way to have a pile of win32 VMs .. run different instances .. but all have the ability to use a different VPN at the same time |
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| 19:35.31 | infernix | abrotman: well if all the VMs are bridged they can run anything since they all get their own IP on the subnet, right? |
| 19:35.47 | jelly | heh, how backwards is "Solaris /opt ... [is] similar to Linux". |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | infernix: hence my asking :) |
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| 19:35.55 | g3brown | I'm trying to add a from="x.x.x.x" to my authorized_keys with open_ssh. Doesn't work, but I see people talking about doing it when I search the net. Any advise? |
| 19:35.59 | abrotman | infernix: guess i need to do some testing |
| 19:36.01 | jelly | JordiGH: well that's wrong. |
| 19:36.10 | jeward | I have a debian mirror and I want to add etch to it. Where is that done? |
| 19:36.37 | infernix | abrotman: wouldnt know why it can't work. if you're not bridging but routing then you'd need a public address space if those VPNs are connected to over the internet |
| 19:36.44 | JordiGH | jelly: File a bug report in IceWeasel. ;-) |
| 19:36.44 | jelly | JordiGH: apache from source also installs everything under /usr/local/apache. That's just bad form. :-) |
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| 19:37.25 | infernix | abrotman: but in bridge mode it should work just fine. it depends on the vpn as well i guess; ipsec might be more tricky than something simple like pptpd or openvpn |
| 19:37.26 | jelly | JordiGH: there is no iceweasel |
| 19:37.51 | JordiGH | jelly: A while ago, when I still heavily dependended on proprietary software, I remember that both Maple and Matlab installed in /usr/local. |
| 19:37.58 | JordiGH | jelly: And spoon? Is there a spoon? |
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| 19:38.58 | phogg | /usr/local/ is much better than /opt. /opt is for people suffering from an 'all files from an application in one directory' disease. |
| 19:39.08 | jelly | JordiGH: I've seen software install itself in /usr under Linux but /opt in solaris. |
| 19:39.33 | jelly | phogg: but /usr/local/openssl (or something) breaks that convention. |
| 19:39.38 | JordiGH | Cripes, /usr is a mess in Solaris. |
| 19:39.57 | eeyore- | jelly: /opt = /optional software |
| 19:39.59 | JordiGH | Well, at least to my eyes familiar with GNU it is. |
| 19:40.19 | ximikos | anyone has an opinion for pclinuxos ? |
| 19:40.20 | eeyore- | and i hate how SunOS puts everything in own directories under /opt |
| 19:40.28 | eeyore- | makes adding paths to software a real PITA |
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| 19:40.46 | phogg | jelly: not all applications have the same philosophy on what stuff goes where. Sometimes these general conventions are not followed. |
| 19:40.46 | JordiGH | Heh. "If you think that some of these directories are stupid or unneeded I'll say simply that, A) many people agree with you, B) many strongly disagree with you. The most hotly debated directory in /usr is /usr/sfw which many people want to see renamed to /usr/gnu. |
| 19:40.53 | JordiGH | " |
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| 19:41.12 | JordiGH | sfw = Solaris Freeware. Hehehe.. That's where the GNU tools go. |
| 19:41.13 | beardy | /usr/safe fow work? |
| 19:41.15 | phogg | why sfw?! |
| 19:41.27 | jelly | phogg: indeed. Tis one of the reasons I like debian's forcing of fhs. |
| 19:41.44 | beardy | Freeware, fucking great word.. |
| 19:41.44 | george | ximikos:maybe we;d trade an opinion for a well-thought-out specific focused question |
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| 19:41.52 | phogg | jelly: that is *the* primary reason I can't ever switch to another distro, even not considering packaging nightmares. |
| 19:41.55 | george | (maybe not: if it's not debian it |
| 19:41.59 | george | is off topic) |
| 19:42.37 | eeyore- | phogg: huh? |
| 19:42.44 | eeyore- | phogg: what reason is that? |
| 19:43.23 | jelly | eeyore-: debian's adherence to file system standards. |
| 19:43.25 | JordiGH | eeyore-: That stuff is in different places, perhaps. |
| 19:43.25 | phogg | eeyore-: most distros do not ave the consistancy of Debian's filesystem hierarchy |
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| 19:43.39 | rgsteele | So, I just had some really random thought...is there an equivalent to "mv", akin to "cp"->"scp", for moving files/dirs remotely? |
| 19:43.40 | eeyore- | phogg: doesn't gentoo? |
| 19:43.45 | phogg | I can live with different places, not six different kinds of different places. |
| 19:43.57 | george | or /home |
| 19:44.03 | phogg | eeyore-: I beliebe gentoo is one of the better ones, but I don't believe that they enforce it. |
| 19:44.05 | JordiGH | george: Wow, someone does touch /home? |
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| 19:44.10 | beardy | Of course it doesn't, that would be stupid. |
| 19:44.36 | jeward | What are common script names for mirroring debian? |
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| 19:44.42 | JordiGH | rgsteele: scp thefile way.over.there: && rm thefile ? |
| 19:44.45 | george | dunno for sure... but I can see possibilities |
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| 19:44.50 | eeyore- | phogg: i can't see a case where things don't go in /usr/bin. sure, they have their own thing like games go in /usr/games/*, but then they make those directories root:games <- and you need to b e added to games group and all, but all in all it's OK |
| 19:44.53 | cursedmind | hello there :) |
| 19:44.55 | jeward | I have a mirror and want to add etch, but can't find where the mirroring is being done. |
| 19:44.56 | valdyn | !wayttd jeward |
| 19:44.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jeward? |
| 19:45.02 | JordiGH | !greet cursedmind |
| 19:45.02 | dpkg | Wassup, cursedmind |
| 19:45.11 | valdyn | !info debmirror |
| 19:45.11 | cursedmind | i got an error while am tryin to install deb on my laptop it says : APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 19:45.13 | dpkg | debmirror: (Debian partial mirror script, with ftp and package pool support), section net, is extra. Version: 20060907.1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 19:45.15 | cursedmind | any dieas :) |
| 19:45.16 | rgsteele | JordiGH: Yeah, I was hoping for a single command, liks smv or something :-D |
| 19:45.24 | infernix | cursedmind: boot with the 'noapic' kernel option. |
| 19:45.29 | JordiGH | rgsteele: Script it! :D |
| 19:45.31 | infernix | !noapic |
| 19:45.32 | rgsteele | No particular reason. The idea just jumped into my brain |
| 19:45.34 | rgsteele | hehe |
| 19:45.38 | jeward | I don't think we're using debmirror. |
| 19:45.46 | phogg | eeyore-: my experience with gentoo is minimal as I don't prefer source-only packaging |
| 19:45.52 | Nwallins | Hi, after installing postgresql-doc, dpkg -L shows the only files added were copyright and changlog.gz. This is on etch. what happened to the postgresql docs? |
| 19:45.53 | cursedmind | and this wont effect the performance of the system ? |
| 19:46.23 | JordiGH | eeyore- is actually the best gentoobie I've ever seen. Maybe I'll even try out their distro one of these days. |
| 19:46.33 | jelly | rgsteele: it's almost trivial to write a shell function to do that. |
| 19:46.35 | phogg | cursedmind: consider the tradeoff between 'stable' and 'possibly low performance' |
| 19:46.36 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Is it easy to become a package manager in gentoo? |
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| 19:46.52 | cursedmind | aha isee |
| 19:46.58 | TheLinuxLichBR | does someone here has SATA-2 Controller over vt8237a southbridge running on linux??? |
| 19:47.00 | eeyore- | JordiGH: dunno, possibly, but even if you're not "official" maintainer, you can still set up your own "overlay" |
| 19:47.07 | rgsteele | jelly: No, it *is* trivial :) It's what happens when my mind wanders from what I'm supposed to be doing ;) |
| 19:47.09 | phogg | cursedmind: really, I've never noticed any slowdown. But even if there were some would it matter? |
| 19:47.11 | eeyore- | JordiGH: kind of like marillat unofficial repository, you know |
| 19:47.26 | cursedmind | not at all |
| 19:47.27 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Righto. |
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| 19:47.40 | cursedmind | i was about to ask what side of performance would it effect :) |
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| 19:47.58 | cursedmind | if it will only slow shutdowns only then doesnt matter at all :) |
| 19:48.08 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: just ask your question |
| 19:48.17 | eeyore- | does anybody know if windows vista (ok, talk about way wayyyyy offtopic) still uses NTFS? i am thinking i have to image the entire drive here before i convert a laptop back to XP |
| 19:48.25 | Nwallins | why does the postgresql-doc package not include any documentation? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=postgresql-doc&version=testing&arch=all |
| 19:48.26 | phogg | eeyore-: yes |
| 19:48.36 | infernix | eeyore-: afaik WinFS (or whatever its called) didnt make it |
| 19:48.51 | TheLinuxLichBR | infernix debian 3.1r3 does not detect my SATA |
| 19:48.53 | jelly | eeyore-: it does, but I'm not sure if it's completely backwards compatible. |
| 19:48.54 | cydork | Nwallins, read the changelog? |
| 19:48.55 | phogg | eeyore-: the ntfs version probably has been changed, so it may not be backwards compatable. |
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| 19:49.00 | JordiGH | eeyore-: The Beast of Redmond rises again, more evil than ever, with an even more convoluted filesystem to opress us. |
| 19:49.02 | Nwallins | nevermind, found it, at postgresql-doc-7.4 |
| 19:49.06 | JordiGH | oppress |
| 19:49.07 | cursedmind | ok :) |
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| 19:49.14 | cursedmind | thx ppl for urhelp |
| 19:49.16 | george | TheLinuxLichBR: you need to find a kernel or kernel module that will. |
| 19:49.20 | JordiGH | eeyore-: And no, it's not NTFS. |
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| 19:49.24 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: run 'lspci' in a console and check out which sata controller it is exactly |
| 19:49.24 | jelly | eeyore-: for example, gparted is known to break vista (beta) ntfs partitions |
| 19:49.27 | george | the KERNEL is what supports DEVICES |
| 19:49.33 | jeward | Ah, I found it: apt-mirror. |
| 19:49.54 | TheLinuxLichBR | infernix it´s VT8237A |
| 19:50.07 | phogg | george: but GNOME isn't detecting my modem!!!!11eleven |
| 19:50.08 | valdyn | TheLinuxLichBR: that's supported |
| 19:50.14 | cursedmind | and by the way there was a guy on the internet said something about stopping the module ohci1394 |
| 19:50.16 | JordiGH | Oh, looks like my harbingings of doom are outdated. WinFS didn't make it? Still NTFS? That's unworse. |
| 19:50.17 | [TechGuy] | *sigh*. I know I fixed this months before once, but I forget it. pam_ldap is spewing pthread link errors, which prevents it from authenticating requests. Ideas? |
| 19:50.17 | abrotman | infernix: as i said . i'll have to mess with it |
| 19:50.20 | george | phogg: aww :) |
| 19:50.31 | eeyore- | so i guess my strategy is twofold ... one) back up all i can find (per-user data) and (two) make image in case i fuck it up anyhow :-) |
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| 19:51.00 | TheLinuxLichBR | valdyn no way |
| 19:51.02 | phogg | eeyore-: backups are always a good strategy, even if you're not about to do something that may be fatal |
| 19:51.04 | diilbertAtWork | What is the compiler etc packaged as ? |
| 19:51.08 | TheLinuxLichBR | valdyn it keeps asking the driver |
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| 19:51.19 | valdyn | !it |
| 19:51.20 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 19:51.35 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: you might be out of luck, this one seems to need patches to 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 kernels. you could try the etch install cd, but i am not sure. |
| 19:51.41 | eeyore- | phogg: yeah, thing is i was hoping maybe knoppix/linux NTFS would be able to get around vista security and let me see more files without vista's security nonsense hiding files from me |
| 19:51.44 | JordiGH | !!! |
| 19:51.44 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 19:51.44 | eeyore- | :-) |
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| 19:51.51 | JordiGH | The it factoid has non-ASCII characters. |
| 19:51.59 | diilbertAtWork | Is it binutils ? |
| 19:52.00 | eeyore- | the old standby -o unhide option |
| 19:52.01 | phogg | diilbertAtWork: apt-cache search compiler # may be enlightening |
| 19:52.01 | JordiGH | (apropos of nothing) |
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| 19:52.06 | valdyn | TheLinuxLichBR: uname -r |
| 19:52.13 | TheLinuxLichBR | infernix I tried etch...but it keeps asking what driver to use |
| 19:52.42 | valdyn | TheLinuxLichBR: the driver is called 'sata_via' |
| 19:52.48 | george | TheLinuxLichBR: how do you answer that question, what happens then |
| 19:52.56 | jeward | Anybody fluent in apt-mirror here? |
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| 19:53.13 | infernix | valdyn: i googled VT8237A, doesn't look like that is included yet in < 2.6.18 |
| 19:53.21 | diilbertAtWork | phogg: I was sure there was a metapackage |
| 19:53.31 | TheLinuxLichBR | valdyn it didn´t functioned with sata_via |
| 19:53.33 | george | jeward: ask a real question (/msg dpkg anyone) |
| 19:53.50 | TheLinuxLichBR | valdyn it´s marked as "SATA" on SouthBridge Configuration on BIOS |
| 19:54.05 | jeward | How do I add etch to this apt-mirror configuration: deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 19:54.20 | jeward | Do I need another line? |
| 19:54.20 | phogg | diilbertAtWork: I'm sure there is, too. apt-cache search is the way to find it. |
| 19:54.36 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: it would help if you could give lspci output. VT8237A itself is the IDE controller, your SATA controller is probably the VT8251 |
| 19:54.39 | valdyn | TheLinuxLichBR: show us the output of 'lspci -n' for that device |
| 19:54.42 | pickcoder | jeward: why do you want to mix versions? |
| 19:54.54 | diilbertAtWork | I know how to use apt-cache search.. but if I can't remember the name it makes it difficult... I remember it was somethign weird |
| 19:54.57 | george | jeward: yes, you'd put another line... |
| 19:55.02 | jeward | pickcoder: It's a mirror, not sources.list |
| 19:55.20 | Nwallins | anyone know where to get /usr/bin/lesspipe ? |
| 19:55.20 | jeward | george: And just change sarge to etch? |
| 19:55.37 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: you need the "ahci" module, but i think you'll need a 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 19:55.40 | valdyn | Nwallins: what's that? |
| 19:55.44 | george | jeward: yes |
| 19:55.50 | valdyn | !tell Nwallins -about search |
| 19:55.53 | phogg | diilbertAtWork: well I could give you the answer, but I'd just be doing an apt-cache search and then transcribing the package name when I found it. |
| 19:55.59 | jeward | george: Thanks! |
| 19:56.11 | Nwallins | valdyn: lets you, for example, read README.Debian.gz as normal user without sudo'ing gzip |
| 19:56.17 | davi | How to write a .wav to a Audio CD ? |
| 19:56.18 | TheLinuxLichBR | infernix i typed lspci...it showed me that the SATA 2 Controler is VT8237A |
| 19:56.29 | valdyn | Nwallins: zless file.gz |
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| 19:56.40 | phogg | davi: GUI or CLI? Audio or data CD? |
| 19:56.41 | diilbertAtWork | phogg: build-essential |
| 19:56.44 | Nwallins | valdyn: yeah, same effect, but more general |
| 19:56.46 | diilbertAtWork | I just found it,... |
| 19:56.50 | Braindead | Nwallins: most /what/ever/file/you/want |
| 19:56.55 | pickcoder | TheLinuxLichBR: like I said earlier. the 8251 is not in the current kernels. 2.6.18 is the first release with native 8251 support |
| 19:57.00 | Nwallins | Braindead: cool |
| 19:57.21 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: what pickcoder said. you need a 2.6.18.x kernel to install directly onto it. |
| 19:57.25 | davi | phogg, I prefer CLI. And it is to save to Audio CD. |
| 19:57.56 | Nwallins | whoops, looks like lesspipe comes with less, duh |
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| 19:58.07 | eeyore- | davi: cdrecord will burn audio cd with individual tracks, but the tracks have to be padded. read manpage for cdrecord for more detail |
| 19:58.14 | niles | hi guys |
| 19:58.15 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: even though lspci says VT8237A, i'm pretty sure that the SATA chip is the VT8251 |
| 19:58.20 | niles | why does my alias not contain it's value after i reboot? |
| 19:58.25 | davi | thanks eeyore- |
| 19:58.26 | niles | alias alsa="apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf" for example |
| 19:58.40 | valdyn | niles: that's how alias works, its not persistent |
| 19:58.47 | niles | aww |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | unless it's in your profile |
| 19:58.53 | TheLinuxLichBR | ahci didn´t worked too |
| 19:58.57 | eeyore- | davi: if you just ripped the tracks from existing CD, they will already be padded. but if you, for example, wrote to *.wav from .mp3 file, then they will not be padded for audiocd |
| 19:59.00 | niles | so my option is to make a script |
| 19:59.15 | valdyn | niles: why would you use alias for that anyway? |
| 19:59.18 | phogg | davi: probably you can do this with cdrecord directly, if the wav is in the correct format. |
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| 19:59.31 | valdyn | niles: script is better for that purpose |
| 19:59.31 | eeyore- | davi: you might also want to "normalize" all tracks so they're the same volume, before you write |
| 19:59.52 | TheLinuxLichBR | but etch is 2.6.18+ |
| 19:59.57 | TheLinuxLichBR | unstable version |
| 20:00.00 | niles | valdyn: well ever since i pulled my hard drive out of my disfunctional PC into a new one, i had to run alsa every time i reboot |
| 20:00.04 | niles | and yes the volume is up |
| 20:00.16 | diilbertAtWork | phogg: I think irc just makes me lazy sometimes :p |
| 20:00.23 | pickcoder | unstable is not Etch, it's Sid |
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| 20:00.24 | Nwallins | Braindead, valdyn: lesspipe works transparently with less. just eval `lesspipe` in, say, .bash_profile and you can then `less README.Debian.gz` |
| 20:00.26 | eeyore- | niles: "alsaconf", go through the menus |
| 20:00.26 | phogg | davi: I see wav2cdr which will convert to the proper format. |
| 20:00.33 | george | TheLinuxLichBR: "doesn't work" contains no info... maybe you've seen the logs of when the module was loaded, and maybe that has more info than "doesn't work" |
| 20:00.34 | valdyn | niles: you dont need to run all these commands certainly, but if it works for you.. just script it |
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| 20:00.56 | phogg | diilbertAtWork: it does indeed. |
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| 20:01.04 | infernix | TheLinuxLichBR: you have brand new hardware. it's always tricky to install when drivers have only recently been added to the kernel |
| 20:01.04 | valdyn | TheLinuxLichBR: no one can give you any defenite response as long as we dont know the PCIID of your device, lspci -n can give that |
| 20:01.49 | pickcoder | I really wish someone would put the 8251 in the .17 release for Debian |
| 20:01.53 | phogg | unsupported hard disk controllers are the worst |
| 20:01.55 | niles | eeyore-: provieds the same menues as apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 20:01.59 | pickcoder | there are a lot of boards with that chipset now |
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| 20:02.14 | niles | which is what im doing after every reboot |
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| 20:02.40 | h3sp4wn | Nwallins: or just type zless |
| 20:02.43 | niles | oh well, i'll try to utilize expect |
| 20:02.47 | valdyn | niles: only running alsaconf should be sufficient, did you try? |
| 20:02.56 | niles | yes i have |
| 20:03.03 | niles | hopefully it works the next time i reboot. |
| 20:03.06 | niles | thanx fellaz |
| 20:03.18 | valdyn | because 'apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils' does nothing at all after the first time |
| 20:03.23 | JordiGH | Is there an easy way to encrypt with AES my usb stick, or should I just fucking google? |
| 20:03.25 | Nwallins | h3sp4wn: I'd rather use one command in a more general way, but you are correct |
| 20:03.29 | CharminTheMoose | any gui frontend type thing to iptables out there? |
| 20:03.39 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: to do what? |
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| 20:03.45 | eeyore- | niles: did you actually reconfigure alsa to your new sound chip? |
| 20:03.48 | w0rd54 | Jordigh: truecrypt or cryptsetup if your linux |
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| 20:03.54 | JordiGH | utilizificate. |
| 20:03.55 | w0rd54 | truecrypt = nice cross platform util |
| 20:03.58 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: there certainly is only guis for a subset of its features |
| 20:04.01 | phogg | JordiGH: there are some howtos, google has them |
| 20:04.10 | JordiGH | w0rd54: It's not in Debian. |
| 20:04.11 | niles | eeyore-: yes, considering im hearing soundn now |
| 20:04.17 | eeyore- | w0rd54: well, here's my problem ... i'm not convinced it 'works properly' under Linux. under windows, sure ... |
| 20:04.19 | niles | i picked the creative sound blaster |
| 20:04.25 | CharminTheMoose | valdyn:oh joy |
| 20:04.26 | eeyore- | niles: update-modules |
| 20:04.28 | w0rd54 | eeyore: works fine for me ;) |
| 20:04.35 | w0rd54 | eeyore: what's the issue? |
| 20:04.40 | eeyore- | niles: then check to make sure alsasound stuff is set to start in your runlevel |
| 20:04.59 | JordiGH | phogg: Kay... I was hoping for a GNOME or KDE app, but I can read howtos as well. |
| 20:05.09 | eeyore- | niles: find /etc/rc* -name "*alsa*", look at the output |
| 20:05.12 | phogg | CharminTheMoose: it's basically impossible to write a GUI that covers all of iptables without it being a simple representation of the current ruleset and a command line to type in |
| 20:05.16 | niles | yes is in there |
| 20:05.16 | niles | thanx |
| 20:05.17 | JordiGH | w0rd54: Is truecrypt Free Software? |
| 20:05.21 | diilbertAtWork | What is the easiest to use FTP server out there ? I am building a little linux box for the boss @ home. And I need something easy for him to configure... preferably something w/ a gui front end |
| 20:05.23 | eeyore- | niles: which runlevels? |
| 20:05.29 | niles | 2 |
| 20:05.35 | niles | rc2.d |
| 20:05.43 | eeyore- | niles: type in "runlevel", what's the output? |
| 20:05.58 | JordiGH | diilbertAtWork: Use ssh and sftp like everyone else. Konqueror understands the sftp protocol. |
| 20:05.59 | valdyn | diilbertAtWork: why does it have to be ftp? |
| 20:06.14 | niles | there is no command runlevel |
| 20:06.25 | eeyore- | niles: root |
| 20:06.37 | phogg | diilbertAtWork: why would he need to configure it once it's set up? |
| 20:06.39 | tremor | niles: /sbin/runlevel |
| 20:06.44 | niles | N 2 |
| 20:07.08 | niles | which is multiuser |
| 20:07.11 | eeyore- | niles: /etc/init.d/alsasound restart <- don't know the debian name for this script, but probably alsasound :-) |
| 20:07.20 | diilbertAtWork | He wants to "run" an FTP server at home. And told me to build it out of an old box we have kicking around... |
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| 20:07.33 | Phated | eeyore-: alsa, actually. |
| 20:07.36 | diilbertAtWork | I mean to add accounts etc.. as far as configure goes |
| 20:07.52 | diilbertAtWork | JordiGN... thanks for the insight.. |
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| 20:08.08 | eeyore- | niles: any complaint from the "restart" action? |
| 20:08.13 | JordiGH | diilbertAtWork: Kuser for adding and removing users? |
| 20:08.35 | JordiGH | diilbertAtWork: Konqueror again for managing file and directory permissions? (once you explain chmod) |
| 20:09.11 | phogg | diilbertAtWork: I see webmin for proftpd and wuftpd (but don't use wuftpd). I also see gproftpd and kwuftpd (but don't use wuftpd). Adding users to ftp can be set to be the same as adding users to the system, for which good GUIs exist |
| 20:09.32 | diilbertAtWork | true enough... I can use anything then if that is the case... thanks :p |
| 20:09.42 | JordiGH | diilbertAtWork: Although if what your boss wants is for everyone else to use Microsoft's net browser? In that case, sftp probably isn't what you want. |
| 20:09.45 | valdyn | diilbertAtWork: gproftpd exists, not sure if for your debian release |
| 20:09.47 | diilbertAtWork | thanks phogg... I didn't know there is a proftpd front end |
| 20:09.59 | eeyore- | don't know about you but i prefer my "ftp" users to be fake accounts, no shell account, jailed to home directory, not using system authentication mechanisms (use flat file, or mysql) |
| 20:10.01 | diilbertAtWork | valdyn: I can always build it if I need to |
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| 20:11.32 | eeyore- | i don't use the proftpd-mysql thing (wasn't there when i needed it? didn't trust it? don't remember), anyhow the user database is in mysql, created through another system (our problem reporting / software delivery mechanism). so then i just run cron script every 15 minutes to add/change/enable/disable ftp accounts |
| 20:12.13 | phogg | eeyore-: I just restrict the hell out of my ftp group and tell vsftpd to be paranoid. So far so good. I'll admit my ftp server is private access only... |
| 20:12.41 | JordiGH | Hm. I can't find the howto that I need. Maybe I'm not even looking for the right thing. I want my usb stick to be encrypted; I thought AES would be the encryption used; what should I be looking for? |
| 20:13.06 | eeyore- | phogg: ours is public/private access. internal users go to one directory. eval customers go to another directory. same mechanism :-) |
| 20:13.26 | nvz | that doesnt sound good, sounds like encryption would reduce the lifespan |
| 20:13.27 | itchi | Someone have here an Intel 3945ABG Pro/Wireless card working? Looks like there are some troubles with the packages ieee80211-source, ieee80211-source, firmware-ipw3945. These packages have version 1.1.14-1 and it should be 1.1.13 according of the support i get of ipw3945 |
| 20:13.46 | JordiGH | I know that Knoppix will prompt for a password for an encrypted partition if it fails to mount at boot time a partition specified in the boot options. |
| 20:13.47 | phogg | eeyore-: I'm probably playing with fire and will one day regret my laxity. |
| 20:13.57 | itchi | ... in Etch |
| 20:14.01 | usr_rob | Need help with scanner please. Why isn't the scanner mounted at /dev/usb/scanner0, it shows up at libusb:003:002 |
| 20:14.28 | amphi | usr_rob: it'll be /proc/bus/usb/003/002 then |
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| 20:14.38 | amphi | usr_rob: sane can use that |
| 20:14.43 | nvz | usr_rob: scanners dont get mounted. a device driver would connect it to a device node |
| 20:14.58 | usr_rob | amphi: Okey, thx :) |
| 20:15.08 | usr_rob | nvz: thx for that! :) |
| 20:15.40 | nvz | might as well check sane-project.org to see if there is a backend written for it |
| 20:15.47 | nvz | otherwise its practically useless |
| 20:15.55 | eeyore- | phogg: i don't think it's laxed :-) seems fine to me ... are you using system-based authentication for ftp accounts? |
| 20:15.56 | usr_rob | i use epkowa |
| 20:16.00 | amphi | usr_rob: you can automate chowning and chmodding the /proc/bus/usb thing to give the scanner group access when it's plugged in |
| 20:16.28 | nvz | well I guess you can use it for a desklight if there is no sane backend |
| 20:16.47 | pickcoder | JordiGH: cfs? |
| 20:16.54 | phogg | eeyore-: yes. |
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| 20:16.55 | eeyore- | fwiw, booting knoppix on the "vista" laptop now :-) you know, darn vista couldn't even make copy of the ntuser.dat file ("opened in another application", well of course it is!) |
| 20:17.01 | JordiGH | pickcoder: What's that? |
| 20:17.10 | pickcoder | apt-cache search cfs |
| 20:17.12 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 20:17.20 | g00se | Trying to execute java in chrooted env but keep getting what's now in paste - please help |
| 20:17.36 | usr_rob | amphi: nice! Its recognize as epson perfection 1250, but when i try to scan it makes a "chunk" sound and nothing happens |
| 20:17.56 | eeyore- | it's actually a nice laptop. averatec with turion64 cpu, 70GB hd, wide panel, wifi and 1gb of ram ... |
| 20:17.59 | itchi | eeyore-: Heh, i have buy an new toplap; and XP on it No vista lol |
| 20:18.01 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Hm. I think I want AES so that it works with Knoppix. I'm reading here that cfs uses DES. |
| 20:18.04 | nvz | did the magic smoke come out after the chunk sound? |
| 20:18.12 | amphi | usr_rob: it's not locked? ;) |
| 20:18.14 | pickcoder | or blowfish |
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| 20:18.31 | eeyore- | maybe i can get the user a new laptop and take over this one ;-) nice and small |
| 20:18.54 | usr_rob | amphi: It won't work in root either |
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| 20:19.24 | g00se | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4415 |
| 20:19.30 | amphi | usr_rob: some scanners have a lock that prevents the scanning head from moving - you don't have that on there? ;) |
| 20:19.36 | JordiGH | Heh. Is blowfish an OpenBSD thing? |
| 20:19.40 | pickcoder | encfs |
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| 20:19.52 | eeyore- | mmmm, knoppix doesn't like the ethernet chip. sis something ... mmmm 2.6.17 |
| 20:19.55 | vader-- | hi i was wondering if someone could help me or point me in the right direction for this problem. I just recompiled my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 and i lost my NIC card. Is there any way to just reinstall the nic or do i have to recompile the kernel? |
| 20:19.59 | pickcoder | JordiGH: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/13/1656228 |
| 20:20.11 | usr_rob | amphi: no i don't :) |
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| 20:21.02 | amphi | usr_rob: are you sure you're using the right backend? did you consult the sane site? |
| 20:21.14 | eeyore- | time to plug in the old standby pcmcia xircom network card :-))) |
| 20:21.26 | usr_rob | amphi: I use the debian package |
| 20:21.54 | probono | what does it mean if a version has a 1: prepended? |
| 20:22.04 | probono | generally, what does a : in a version number mean? |
| 20:22.09 | amphi | usr_rob: did you check that you are using the right back end? |
| 20:22.40 | usr_rob | amphi: Yes, i should use the epkowa for the Epson 1250 |
| 20:22.45 | eeyore- | vader--: recompile the kernel. you don't have to boot in this case (just install the modules and modprobe it in the running kernel) |
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| 20:23.03 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Thanks. In fact, I think I started out reading that very same page some time ago, but never got through to completion. |
| 20:23.34 | N3m3SYS | hi there, i have a little bit problem with configuring sound blaster in deb |
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| 20:23.55 | N3m3SYS | i have tried alsaconf and selected snd-emu10k1 |
| 20:24.09 | N3m3SYS | and then when i run test-speaker, i hear the noise |
| 20:24.26 | N3m3SYS | but amarok screams that has no driver for playing and nothing is playing, |
| 20:24.37 | N3m3SYS | i have blacklisted modules for onboard card |
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| 20:24.59 | usr_rob | amphi: i can see that the scanning head is moving when i try to scan, sound crazy but it looks like it don't get the power it should have hehe |
| 20:25.13 | N3m3SYS | sorry snd-ens1371 module |
| 20:25.40 | cahoot | N3m3SYS: you tol amarok to use alsa? |
| 20:25.42 | amphi | usr_rob: is it plugged into a hub? |
| 20:26.06 | usr_rob | amphi: In my plustek.conf i got device /dev/usb/scanner0 that should be wrong |
| 20:26.20 | N3m3SYS | cahoot, of course (i was trying it with xine too, and xmms) |
| 20:26.22 | usr_rob | amphi: No right into the laptop |
| 20:26.38 | aRJAy | Help Please: I've just installed Debian, MySql-server and am trying to get it to run properly. I've tried installing joomla and SugarCRM. I seem to have problem with getting MySQL recognised to either of them. I've loaded on phpmyadmin and that seems to be working... |
| 20:26.39 | aRJAy | During the web-based installation process, Joomla says "MySql - Not available" and SugarCRM says "MySql Database - Not Available", BUT PhpMyAdmin seems to work perfectly though..I'm able to add databases, remove, etc... Cannot see where the problem may be. |
| 20:26.50 | N3m3SYS | cahoot, i have installd deb many times but this is my first problem, volumes are up |
| 20:27.12 | cahoot | N3m3SYS: does yes|aplay produce sound? if it does alsa basically works |
| 20:27.14 | itchi | aRJAy: The required version not match maybe |
| 20:27.35 | amphi | usr_rob: I'm not sure to be honest, I've only set up a usb scanner once, and it JustWorked once I had the right backend for it |
| 20:27.50 | N3m3SYS | cahoot, nope |
| 20:28.01 | usr_rob | amphi: Okey, thx for your help! :) |
| 20:28.03 | cahoot | N3m3SYS: no error? |
| 20:28.16 | aRJAy | itchi: hi... and thanks. That doesn't seem to be the case. Both Joomla and Sugar should be able to run. |
| 20:28.30 | itchi | aRJAy: ;-) |
| 20:28.48 | N3m3SYS | cahoot, only running program and no sound, modules are listed in lsmod all (i think) |
| 20:29.06 | N3m3SYS | cahoot, it was working before on my machine, but after reinstall (new hdd) not |
| 20:29.08 | usr_rob | amphi: One last thing, could i add this line in my plustek.conf file "device libusb:003:002" ? |
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| 20:29.18 | aRJAy | itchi: got any other ideas? :) |
| 20:29.20 | eeyore- | aRJAy: well, my guess is you haven't added the necessary accounts to use those packages? |
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| 20:29.31 | N3m3SYS | cahoot, i have blacklisted the modlue for sound card on board, it made problems with no sound while playing, but now it is error |
| 20:29.35 | amphi | usr_rob: no, because it'll change when you plug it in next time |
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| 20:29.53 | eeyore- | aRJAy: i don't want to learn the specifics of those packages .. but if they're designed the way i think they are, they'll need to have database made, an account made, password assigned, etc. |
| 20:29.57 | aRJAy | eeyore-: you might be right, but I've given both Sugar and Joomla dir's www-data |
| 20:29.59 | usr_rob | amphi: Okey, then i get it! |
| 20:30.05 | JordiGH | Ooh. I'm enjoying the popquiz that enc2fs makes in expert mode. |
| 20:30.10 | eeyore- | aRJAy: no, we're talking mysql database + usernames |
| 20:30.45 | itchi | aRJAy: Sorry, had misunderstoot. Can you look to which mysql version require Joomla and which one version you have actually? Let us know |
| 20:31.20 | aRJAy | eeyore-: There is a prompt further on in the install process that asks for that info: database name, etc.. |
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| 20:31.31 | rabautz | Hi, is there a way to see which program opens a specific tcp-socket? netstat says: tcp 0 0 192.168.1.1:9999 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 20:31.43 | aRJAy | itchi: how do I check versions ? |
| 20:31.44 | amphi | usr_rob: you could try 'device auto' perhaps |
| 20:32.00 | itchi | aRJAy: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 20:32.10 | aRJAy | PHP Version 4.3.10-16 |
| 20:32.11 | eeyore- | aRJAy: how did you specify the database server name? |
| 20:32.26 | eeyore- | aRJAy: is the mysql-server and the package on the *same* machine? |
| 20:32.31 | usr_rob | amphi: i'll try |
| 20:32.33 | aRJAy | eeyore-: it gives you the option, but default is localhost |
| 20:32.35 | amphi | usr_rob: and you have a line like '[usb] 0x055f 0x021d' (with the correct numbers) in there? |
| 20:33.05 | eeyore- | aRJAy: are they (server + package) on the same machine? how did you specify the server hostname? (should be localhost) |
| 20:33.18 | usr_rob | amphi: Yes, this [usb]0x04b80x010f should be the right one for my scanner |
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| 20:33.25 | eeyore- | aRJAy: check your mysql server config file, see if it has skip-networking option in there. if there, comment it out (you want networking to localhost) |
| 20:33.40 | eeyore- | aRJAy: otherwise, your packages will have to use mysql unix-domain sockets. |
| 20:33.41 | aRJAy | MySQL 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2 |
| 20:34.00 | amphi | usr_rob: that and 'device auto' should be ok IMHO |
| 20:34.01 | itchi | aRJAy: Should Joomla not need the mysql 5 ? |
| 20:34.09 | aRJAy | itchi: nope.. |
| 20:34.34 | itchi | aRJAy: Have you find the it in the requirements of Joomla? |
| 20:34.48 | aRJAy | eeyore-: what's the file name for the mysql server config? |
| 20:34.57 | itchi | s/the///dev//nul |
| 20:34.58 | eeyore- | aRJAy: /etc/mysql/my.cnf ? |
| 20:35.20 | usr_rob | amphi: No it won't work, i will google on |
| 20:35.45 | amphi | usr_rob: the sane website may have info... |
| 20:35.59 | usr_rob | amphi: Yes, thx alot! |
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| 20:36.17 | aRJAy | eeyore-: server and package on same machine |
| 20:36.34 | aRJAy | itchi, eeyore-: going through my.cnf at the moment... not sure what to look out for there. |
| 20:36.35 | aRJAy | heh |
| 20:36.36 | amphi | usr_rob: you're welcome |
| 20:36.56 | eeyore- | aRJAy: told you, "skip-networking" |
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| 20:37.10 | itchi | aRJAy: Look to the website of Joomla, and look which MySQL version it require?? |
| 20:37.20 | eeyore- | aRJAy: look for "bind-address" option also |
| 20:37.31 | itchi | aRJAy: I guess these need an decenter version of MySQL |
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| 20:38.31 | aRJAy | itchi: I'll look for the version that Joomla requires. Should be fine on 4. I'm just going through the my.cnf file at the moment though.. |
| 20:38.54 | aRJAy | eeyore-: I found this: |
| 20:38.56 | aRJAy | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 20:38.56 | aRJAy | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 20:38.56 | aRJAy | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:39.26 | itchi | aRJAy: Avoid to paste here; make use of an paster, see /msg dpkg paste, /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:39.35 | itchi | aRJAy: Mysql only listen to localhost |
| 20:39.48 | aRJAy | itchi: point noted |
| 20:39.54 | aRJAy | thank you |
| 20:39.58 | itchi | aRJAy: So if you try to make an connection from another computer, i wont work |
| 20:40.14 | eeyore- | aRJAy: good, so it's listening on tcp-ip port on the server ... so what *exactly* didn't working during the install? |
| 20:40.20 | itchi | aRJAy: It's an security setting, if you want |
| 20:40.31 | eeyore- | aRJAy: can you look at the install script to see what it was doing? |
| 20:40.49 | aRJAy | hmm.. well.. the install is from 'this' computer which is remote I guess... but it's via a browser... sooo.. |
| 20:41.04 | JordiGH | Hm. encfs seems to be for creating encrypted directories, not entire partitions, unless I'm misunderstanding its use. |
| 20:41.16 | CharminTheMoose | I may be an idiot about this but I'm using firestarter as my firewall tool of gui greatness.and it's telling me that it's blocking ports 137 and 138 from the program samba.wtf?i don't even have samba installed..... |
| 20:41.18 | eeyore- | aRJAy: so the script is executing on the server, no problem |
| 20:41.25 | itchi | aRJAy: Give more details |
| 20:41.33 | eeyore- | aRJAy: but why did the script say "no server" (or some such), read it ? :-) |
| 20:41.42 | pickcoder | JordiGH: where do you mount the USB stick? |
| 20:41.51 | JordiGH | pickcoder: On /usb |
| 20:43.03 | itchi | aRJAy: Before you make any changes to that config file. Make maybe before an copy of the file?? |
| 20:43.03 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: it's blocking inbound traffic on those ports is all |
| 20:43.03 | aRJAy | eeyore-: the install script is browser-based... it just says on both instances that the MySQL is 'Not Available'.. |
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| 20:43.10 | aRJAy | itchi: There's no changes to make, that I can see... |
| 20:43.11 | JordiGH | pickcoder: But should the usb stick be mounted (as vfat) or not? I got permission denied when it was mounted. |
| 20:43.14 | aRJAy | hmm |
| 20:43.35 | aRJAy | eeyore-: I can't tell if the script is executing on the server... |
| 20:43.47 | jlaw | hey guys ... got a problem with font rendering en kde debian testing since an upgrade last week |
| 20:43.55 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Or should I be root? Only the sysadmin gets encrypted usb sticks? :-/ |
| 20:44.09 | jlaw | sounds that familiar to anyboy? |
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| 20:44.37 | aRJAy | ok.. I need to paste.. |
| 20:44.38 | JordiGH | pickcoder: That is, encfs tried to run fuse on my mounted usb stick, and fuse returne "permission denied". |
| 20:44.49 | Phated | !tell aRJAy about pastebin |
| 20:44.49 | JordiGH | jlaw: Font problems, yes. Your specific font problem, no. |
| 20:45.10 | ayaa | how to resolve this locale problem: http://pastebin.ca/244449 |
| 20:45.53 | kittonian | hi all. when i load up fdisk to format a drive it tells me that there are more than 1024 cylinders (which is correct since it's a 30GB drive. What's the command to properly format it? There's data on it now but I want it completely wiped clean so there's no fragmentation and I want to create one single partition on it |
| 20:46.04 | itchi | ayaa: Om |
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| 20:46.09 | itchi | oeps |
| 20:46.11 | jlaw | JordiGH ... well the fonts can be rendere without problems (any fonts) but for example when i open a menu i see everything for like a second and then it vanishes |
| 20:46.29 | aRJAy | Phated: thanks |
| 20:46.36 | aRJAy | http://pastebin.ca/244450 |
| 20:46.36 | JordiGH | jlaw: Wild guess; it's not a font problem, but a video driver problem. Do you use nvidia? |
| 20:46.43 | NiCeBoY | hello am getting a problem to make a program listening to port 80 on debian 3.1. is there a way to solve this problem please. take note that there is no other process using the port.. |
| 20:47.00 | jlaw | JordiGH, indeed ... but that was not a problem till that upgrade |
| 20:47.01 | aRJAy | eeyore-, itchi: http://pastebin.ca/244450 |
| 20:47.03 | itchi | kittonian: See the 'wipe' tool |
| 20:47.11 | asg | NiCeBoY: are you running that process as root? It'll need to be to bind to ports <1024 |
| 20:47.13 | JordiGH | jlaw: Did you also upgrade the nvidia blob? |
| 20:47.20 | aRJAy | I figure that ps -aux should tell a story..? :) |
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| 20:47.32 | JordiGH | jlaw: I've had problems with nvidia drivers version during update. |
| 20:47.34 | jlaw | JordiGH, what is the nvidia blob= o_O |
| 20:47.35 | itchi | ayaa: From which part of script is that? |
| 20:47.37 | NiCeBoY | no it snot running as root |
| 20:47.48 | JordiGH | jlaw: Proprietary closed-source drivers. Blobs. :-) |
| 20:48.03 | ayaa | itchi, apt-get install something ... |
| 20:48.04 | NiCeBoY | asg its not running as root its on a simple user account that i created using the command adduser.. |
| 20:48.04 | jlaw | JordiGH, i'll get and compile the newest one ... later guys |
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| 20:48.43 | JordiGH | jlaw: Good luck. It was just a wild guess. |
| 20:48.50 | itchi | ayaa: The installer not continue? |
| 20:48.55 | asg | NiCeBoY: then it won't be able to bind to port 80. Try using port 8080 or something greater than 1024 |
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| 20:49.16 | ayaa | itchi, no it continues |
| 20:49.26 | NiCeBoY | asg there's no way to make it ? oh oh should be able :( |
| 20:49.31 | PupenoR | Any ideas why reaching my Apache server by IP works fine and by name takes forever ? sometimes timing out ? I don't see anything in the logs, the name resolves correctly (according to ping and dig on the same workstation from where I am doing the tests). |
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| 20:49.35 | unseensoul | hi |
| 20:49.38 | aRJAy | hmm... breakfast is calling me.. I guess I'll... I'll... I'll..... |
| 20:49.55 | NiCeBoY | ANYONE here got an idea hot to make a process listen to port 80 . the process is not runnning in root. |
| 20:49.57 | asg | NiCeBoY: there is but it will have to have root access at least during the 'bind to port' part. Maybe check sudo(1). |
| 20:50.02 | aRJAy | be Cing you. :) |
| 20:50.08 | aRJAy | ~~ |
| 20:50.16 | apt | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
| 20:50.16 | itchi | ayaa: Maybe, it should not be are so important then?? |
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| 20:50.19 | [TechGuy] | *sigh*. I know I fixed this months before once, but I forget it. pam_ldap is spewing pthread link errors, which prevents it from authenticating requests. Ideas? |
| 20:50.27 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 20:50.28 | JordiGH | ~ |
| 20:50.32 | itchi | aRJAy: What about the pastein you have prv me? |
| 20:50.32 | JordiGH | ! |
| 20:50.35 | JordiGH | !! |
| 20:50.35 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:50.38 | JordiGH | !!!! |
| 20:50.38 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 20:50.44 | JordiGH | !!! |
| 20:50.45 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:50.46 | aRJAy | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/244450 |
| 20:50.49 | JordiGH | !!!!! |
| 20:50.49 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 20:50.52 | JordiGH | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:50.58 | asg | JordiGH: knock it off |
| 20:51.00 | aRJAy | itchi: that's of the ps -aux |
| 20:51.03 | JordiGH | asg: Sorry. |
| 20:51.09 | itchi | aRJAy: Yeah, already have it ;-) Just what about it? It's output of foo? |
| 20:51.15 | itchi | aRJAy: okay ;-) |
| 20:51.27 | JordiGH | asg: Is there a way to privately experiment with the bot like that? |
| 20:51.30 | aRJAy | itchi: does it look ok to you? |
| 20:51.36 | jlaw | JordiGH ... do you remember that path option needed for the nvidia installer when using xorg 6.9 or 7 ? |
| 20:51.42 | asg | JordiGH: /msg dpkg !!!!!!! |
| 20:51.55 | itchi | aRJAy: Yeah, mysql is running; just to many?? |
| 20:52.03 | JordiGH | asg: Doesn't give the same response. :-/ |
| 20:52.19 | JordiGH | jlaw: Uh. I use the nvidia-one-liner and it worked, and I didn't question it much. |
| 20:52.20 | itchi | aRJAy: How come it that you have so many instances running? |
| 20:52.23 | aRJAy | itchi: ermm... perhaps? :) hehe |
| 20:52.33 | aRJAy | itchi: no idea... absolutely NO idea. |
| 20:52.34 | aRJAy | heh |
| 20:52.45 | asg | JordiGH: then run your own. /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 20:53.02 | jlaw | JordiGH ... k ... i've no need for the oneliner as i need hardware rendering for aa, nexuiz and stuff |
| 20:53.41 | JordiGH | asg: Heh. Fair enough. |
| 20:53.56 | JordiGH | jlaw: Uh, the one-liner is what I use for getting Nexuiz to work. |
| 20:54.11 | JordiGH | (btw, wanna be my fragbuddy?) |
| 20:54.28 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:54.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 20:55.11 | JordiGH | We use the word "one-liner" in the loosest sense of the term. |
| 20:55.19 | jlaw | JordiGH, dunno why but the oneliner never did it for me |
| 20:55.20 | itchi | aRJAy: I have just check it out. Strange, maybe restart mysql? |
| 20:55.40 | JordiGH | jlaw: Did you try using nvidia's own installer? |
| 20:55.47 | JordiGH | !nvidia |
| 20:55.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:56.54 | aRJAy | itchi: how so? :) |
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| 20:57.19 | itchi | aRJAy: As root user do; /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 20:57.39 | [TechGuy] | Any ideas on pam_ldap giving GLIBC_PRIVATE errors, and suddenly not authenticating correctly? |
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| 20:58.16 | aRJAy | itchi: it looks the same from here... |
| 20:58.49 | whadar | how can i list installable packages (like synaptic does) with dpkg or apt? |
| 20:58.53 | aRJAy | did ps -aux, checked Joomla and Sugar... Same probs. |
| 20:58.58 | itchi | aRJAy: Just note it down on a paper. For later review. First get your first trouble solved |
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| 20:59.11 | ringo999 | mmm... just installed debian and now trying to install xfce but "apt-get install xfce4" won't find the package.. |
| 20:59.13 | beardy | whadar: Use aptitude. 'aptitude'. |
| 20:59.22 | JordiGH | whadar: I don't think apt-get lists all installable packages. But aptitude does! |
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| 20:59.39 | raz0 | ringo999, apt-cache search xfce? |
| 20:59.43 | jlaw | JordiGH, could you look up for me what i have to enter for --x-module-path when using the nvidia own installer with xorg 6.9 or 7 ?-) |
| 20:59.47 | itchi | ringo999: First an search ;-) |
| 20:59.58 | JordiGH | jlaw: I don't know where to look that up. |
| 20:59.59 | aRJAy | itchi: it will have to be a continuing story I think... the day has started but I have not |
| 21:00.00 | aRJAy | heh |
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| 21:00.11 | aRJAy | itchi: again, thanks for the help.. appreciated. |
| 21:00.13 | whadar | JordiGH, beardy: thanks |
| 21:00.14 | tuvwx | do i have to use compiz to benefit from aiglx features? i can see some AIGLX lines in my Xorg log file, but that's it |
| 21:00.21 | JordiGH | ringo999: That's strange. Did you apt-get update? |
| 21:00.24 | jlaw | JordiGH, google -.- i don#t want to lynx for it |
| 21:00.24 | itchi | aRJAy: No problem, your welcome ;-) |
| 21:00.36 | valdyn | tuvwx: pretty much, yea |
| 21:00.50 | beardy | whadar: / to search |
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| 21:01.13 | ringo999 | JordiGH: did apt-get update, cache search won't find xfce |
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| 21:01.25 | aRJAy | l8erz ~~~~ |
| 21:01.29 | aRJAy | -=out=- |
| 21:01.41 | ringo999 | anyone here having debian installed using parallels on intel mac? |
| 21:01.48 | EmleyMoor | What's the best way to set up a single email address that goes to two people on a system? |
| 21:01.49 | itchi | aRJAy: heh, what's happend? |
| 21:01.56 | JordiGH | ringo999: I can find that package in etch and/or sid. Are you running sarge? |
| 21:02.36 | ringo999 | JordiGH: how do i find out what exactly I'm running again (it's been a while i've been using debian/linux) |
| 21:02.42 | JordiGH | jlaw: Cripes, it's a mess to google for that. I don't even understand your question. I'm afraid you'll have to use lynx yourself. |
| 21:02.47 | JordiGH | ringo999: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:03.08 | ringo999 | JordiGH: 3.1 |
| 21:03.11 | jelly | tuvwx: yeah, have to use compiz or something else that actually uses the features. |
| 21:03.19 | ringo999 | JordiGH: is that Sarge? |
| 21:03.21 | JordiGH | ringo999: Sarge. |
| 21:03.26 | EmleyMoor | Can an alias point to two users at once? Using exim4 |
| 21:03.31 | tuvwx | jelly, is there anything else in debian? |
| 21:03.36 | ringo999 | should I go etch or sid? |
| 21:03.41 | whadar | beardy: i want to list all packages and sum their size... can i script aptitude results for this? |
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| 21:03.50 | JordiGH | ringo999: No. You should "apt-cache search xfce" |
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| 21:04.08 | whadar | "aptitude show" doesnt do anything... |
| 21:04.13 | jlaw | JordiGH: well, i even know if this path still is needed to be given manually ... it was when xorg 6.9 and/or 7 were upcoming in testing |
| 21:04.23 | JordiGH | whadar: aptitude without any parameters. |
| 21:04.29 | craigevil | xfce is is in stable, its just an older version |
| 21:04.29 | jelly | tuvwx: I think not. I tried compiz the other day, and it's a rather crappy window manager at that. |
| 21:04.43 | JordiGH | whadar: aptitude show is for displaying details about a package, like "apt-cache show". |
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| 21:05.19 | whadar | JordiGH: that's a ui... i want it to display data i can pipe... |
| 21:05.23 | ringo999 | JordiGH: I swear, the search doesnt find anything, maybe I'm missing an apt mirror? |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 21:05.48 | valdyn | !info xfce sarge |
| 21:05.51 | jelly | tuvwx: the eyecandy worked better than I expected on my i915 card though. |
| 21:05.56 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 21:06.17 | EmleyMoor | I have a need to mail two users at once with one address - can I do it using aliases? If so, how? |
| 21:06.20 | tuvwx | jelly, is the opensource ati driver supported? |
| 21:06.36 | damnage_hack | hi. i want to compile 2.6.18 from kernel.org with make-kpkg, therefore i need the patch http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/modules.mk-UTSVersion.patch?bug=355147;msg=20;att=1 |
| 21:06.40 | valdyn | tuvwx: sure |
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| 21:07.10 | valdyn | tuvwx: though that really is the wrong order, the radeon driver supports compiz |
| 21:07.10 | jelly | tuvwx: I tried the one for r200, and it didn't work on the 9200SE here. |
| 21:07.12 | damnage_hack | but patch complains with Hunk #1 FAILED at 80. |
| 21:07.13 | damnage_hack | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/modules.mk.rej |
| 21:07.17 | brandini | asg!!!! |
| 21:07.20 | JordiGH | What is /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ? |
| 21:07.26 | asg | brandini: :) |
| 21:07.35 | JordiGH | File says it's "data". :-/ |
| 21:07.37 | valdyn | tuvwx: ... assuming your hardware is old enough |
| 21:07.38 | damnage_hack | JordiGH, some cache file for apt repos? |
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| 21:07.51 | JordiGH | damnage_hack: Yeah, but how do I read it? |
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| 21:08.06 | damnage_hack | why do you want to do this? |
| 21:08.08 | tuvwx | valdyn, jelly : 9100IGP |
| 21:08.10 | jelly | valdyn: compiz complained and refused to work here, any references for that support? |
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| 21:08.51 | JordiGH | damnage_hack: I want to read the apt package list stored in my system. |
| 21:08.55 | asg | brandini: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 (that might work but it might be worth asking if the card you have is supported.) |
| 21:09.08 | damnage_hack | Apt's memory mapped package cache location, normally /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin |
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| 21:09.22 | valdyn | jelly: i dont know if it can work on your card, i use a radeon 7500 |
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| 21:09.48 | brandini | is ia64 for athlon64? |
| 21:09.53 | damnage_hack | JordiGH, look for some parameter in man dpkg |
| 21:09.59 | h3sp4wn | brandini: its for itanium |
| 21:10.03 | valdyn | jelly: Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" is supposedly needed in the Device section |
| 21:10.05 | brandini | gotcha |
| 21:10.16 | JesseT77 | Hey, I could use a pointer in the right direction! :) I've been running Woody on several machines for over a year now, as "stable". I've recently checked and verified that "sarge" is now stable. Have I likely been silently updated to sarge, need I do more, and/or how can I tell? Or where could I read more to learn this? :] |
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| 21:10.25 | Flimzy | brandini: ia64 is "Intel Architecture 64". amd64 is for athlon 64 |
| 21:10.29 | valdyn | jelly: and Option "AIGLX" "true" in the ServerLayout Section |
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| 21:10.55 | ringo999 | ah, i think my apt sources.list is somewhawt incompolete, where to find a proper one? |
| 21:10.58 | valdyn | jelly: not to forget to enable composite in the Extensions section |
| 21:10.59 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 21:11.03 | dragonfly | has anything more concrete than just December been mentioned anywhere in reference to the release of "Etch" as Stable |
| 21:11.21 | brandini | Flimzy: I see no amd64 :) |
| 21:11.33 | itchi | Is there already some (unofficial)package for that compiz and GL things there? |
| 21:11.38 | Flimzy | brandini: What are you looking for? A version of Debian? |
| 21:11.44 | valdyn | itchi: in unstable |
| 21:11.55 | brandini | Flimzy: it's ok, I can use i386, I'm just setting up a vmware server |
| 21:11.56 | jelly | valdyn: composite is working, according to xdpyinfo. |
| 21:12.03 | Flimzy | brandini: ah. |
| 21:12.09 | itchi | valdyn: Nice, i'm in testing and already happy to test it soon :-) |
| 21:12.14 | valdyn | jelly: now xorg needs to be 7.1 |
| 21:12.19 | JesseT77 | So if I installed Debian last year, as stable, is it now magicly sarge? |
| 21:12.19 | wouterl | I just heard that Sun will give the code of the java platform using the GPL lincense... Does that mean that debian will support sun's java? |
| 21:12.27 | ringo999 | abrotman: thanks! (as always you helping me ;) |
| 21:12.36 | valdyn | jelly: and direct rendering should be enabled |
| 21:12.37 | brandini | Flimzy: you wouldn't happen to know if the 31r3-i386 CD supports nvidia ethernet chips would you? |
| 21:12.37 | Flimzy | wouterl: If that's true, then eventually probably. |
| 21:12.40 | JesseT77 | Is there a way I can tell, or a place where I could read more about the changing of the guards? |
| 21:13.03 | Flimzy | brandini: It probably has the 'nv' driver... but for _good_ nvidia support, you have to use the non-free driver that isn't included in Debian offical at all. |
| 21:13.17 | jelly | valdyn: AIGLX works by default, and 7.1.1 from etch, glxgears shows decent fps and glxinfo shows ... well whaddaya know, Mesa GLX indirect. |
| 21:13.18 | Flimzy | brandini: If you want an amd64 version of Debian, you will have to use testing or unstable. |
| 21:13.23 | brandini | Flimzy: ok |
| 21:13.24 | jelly | hmm |
| 21:13.25 | brandini | thanks :) |
| 21:13.29 | JordiGH | dragonfly: There are still 230 release critical bugs on etch as of Nov 3. I think they want to move that number to under a 100 before they get completely serious about the etch release. It's been going down, verrry slowly over the past month or so. It doesn't look like etch will make it in time. :-( |
| 21:13.35 | Flimzy | brandini: Which, BTW, I use at home, and like it. |
| 21:14.01 | brandini | Flimzy: I've got a dual core athlon64... going to be a production VMWARE server... still think it'd run that ok? |
| 21:14.11 | valdyn | jelly: sudo glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 21:14.32 | JesseT77 | Say JordiGH, if a user installed stable Debian 3.0 last year, do they need to take steps to move up to Debian 3.1? or is it pretty transparent>? |
| 21:14.56 | wouterl | JesseT77, just preform a dist upgrade |
| 21:15.17 | Flimzy | brandini: For production, I dunno... I would probably stick with stable for anything production. But it depends. |
| 21:15.21 | valdyn | JesseT77: read the documentation, its not that trivial |
| 21:15.23 | JesseT77 | wouterl, is that anything like "aptitude update" or "aptitude upgrade"? I do do those all of the time. |
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| 21:15.44 | valdyn | JesseT77: but you should in any case use aptitude for that dist-upgrade |
| 21:16.17 | JesseT77 | valdyn, ok, so "dist-upgrade" is a keyword I should be searching for. Thanks. :) |
| 21:16.21 | [TechGuy] | anyone out there have any experience with pam_ldap, and why it would suddenly start complaining about invalid credentials? |
| 21:16.25 | itchi | Flimzy: It's not MS Windows; so you not need to reinstall each time when there is an new version |
| 21:16.38 | abrotman | caps lock is on! |
| 21:16.43 | itchi | JesseT77: I meaned to you |
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| 21:17.47 | Flimzy | itchi: I realize that. |
| 21:17.48 | wouterl | JesseT77, just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:17.52 | dragonfly | I have a laptop I'd like to install Debian on, but I'm thinking about waiting for Etch.....If I install Etch now as testing, what will I have to do to keep Etch when it becomes Stable |
| 21:17.59 | JesseT77 | itchi, but do I need to do somehing at least a little extra, like this dist-upgrade? or is it transparent? If it is transparent, having a good indicator as to whether I'm still working with Woody or Sarge would be great too. ;) |
| 21:18.00 | itchi | Flimzy: Yeah, sorry -p |
| 21:18.02 | wouterl | hmm to late |
| 21:18.14 | pickcoder | dragonfly: make sure your source.list doesn't say "testing" |
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| 21:18.36 | itchi | dragonfly: Is it an new laptop? |
| 21:18.44 | dragonfly | itchi, yes it is |
| 21:19.10 | dragonfly | so when Etch becomes stable, just change testing to stable in the sources list and that is all that will be required? |
| 21:19.15 | itchi | dragonfly: Many changes are that you need Etch. Probably Sarge not detect your hardware |
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| 21:19.22 | vin` | JesseT77: depends on what you have in /etc/apt/sources.list if it's stable, a dist-upgrade will do exactly that, a dist-upgrade. |
| 21:19.52 | pickcoder | dragonfly: change testing to "etch" and leave it |
| 21:20.14 | dragonfly | ok, so if the sources list says etch it will always be etch no matter what version is testing or stable or unstable or whatever |
| 21:20.16 | pickcoder | dragonfly: you can also add security updates right now if you want to. Just don't expect any to actually be downloaded. |
| 21:20.22 | pickcoder | dragonfly: correct |
| 21:20.43 | abrotman | there are three! |
| 21:20.50 | JesseT77 | vin` Yep it's all stable. So I'm reading about the dist-upgrade now. <grin> |
| 21:20.58 | vin` | cakebuttman! |
| 21:21.10 | itchi | abrotman: How is the beer? |
| 21:21.10 | dragonfly | thank you much pickcoder |
| 21:21.14 | pickcoder | abrotman: are you sniffing glue? |
| 21:21.14 | dragonfly | andi itchi |
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| 21:21.53 | itchi | abrotman: Man, when you are near here; try some locals ;-) |
| 21:22.33 | abrotman | locals what? |
| 21:22.45 | abrotman | pickcoder: no .. but my nose feels funny .. possible sinus infection coming@! |
| 21:22.46 | itchi | abrotman: local beer :-p |
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| 21:23.04 | pickcoder | abrotman: uh oh. I get those quite often. |
| 21:23.21 | u221e | I tried installing the fglrx driver from the ati installer but I still don't have dri |
| 21:23.25 | Ronin | beer? dont mind if i do |
| 21:23.34 | ringo999 | ok, i installed xfce4, but how to start it now? |
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| 21:23.53 | itchi | ringo999: Use you an display manager? |
| 21:24.19 | ringo999 | itchi: dont think, but doesnt this get installed with the xfce4 package? |
| 21:24.45 | hpalla | hi, I have just install debian etch on my laptop. every thing went well,but the wifi card. not woking pls can u help |
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| 21:24.55 | itchi | ringo999: When you start your computer; boot it up to an graphical environment or need you to do startx ? |
| 21:24.59 | vin` | hpalla: what chipset? |
| 21:25.23 | itchi | hpalla: Paste the output of lspci to an pastebin? |
| 21:25.29 | ringo999 | itchi: it starts in the shell, and won't find "startx" |
| 21:25.35 | S4nD3r | hi there... |
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| 21:25.39 | S4nD3r | Im getting crazy |
| 21:25.51 | itchi | ringo999: Is X installed? |
| 21:26.05 | vin` | S4nD3r: stop thinking, start forgetting. |
| 21:26.06 | ringo999 | itchi: how do i find that out? not sure? |
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| 21:26.10 | S4nD3r | because when I try lpq, I have showed a lot of jobs printed |
| 21:26.11 | itchi | S4nD3r: Me to, so lovefull Debian :-p |
| 21:26.16 | S4nD3r | not printed, but stopped |
| 21:26.30 | S4nD3r | How to clear all printer jobs ? |
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| 21:26.46 | S4nD3r | lprm job-15 |
| 21:26.48 | S4nD3r | lprm: Job or printer not found! |
| 21:26.57 | S4nD3r | lpq |
| 21:26.57 | S4nD3r | DeskJet-640C is not ready |
| 21:26.57 | itchi | ringo999: You just did an base install? You have not select to install the 'desktop environment' in the tasksel? |
| 21:27.01 | S4nD3r | 1st sander 5 (stdin) 1175552 bytes |
| 21:27.11 | ringo999 | itchi: yeah base install |
| 21:27.11 | S4nD3r | 2nd sander 6 (stdin) 1175552 bytes |
| 21:27.18 | pickcoder | lprm -P <print spool> <job id> |
| 21:27.22 | S4nD3r | Does anybody know a solution ? |
| 21:27.29 | pickcoder | -P<print spool> |
| 21:27.32 | pickcoder | remove the space after P |
| 21:27.38 | ringo999 | what the difference between display and window manager? |
| 21:27.40 | itchi | ringo999: See /msg dpkg install x |
| 21:27.51 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: if you want more info "man lprm" |
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| 21:28.40 | itchi | ringo999: See also /msg dpkg dm |
| 21:28.56 | itchi | ringo999: I guess you know the meaning of /msg dpkg foo ?? |
| 21:28.58 | gpm | hey all, i'm wondering if anyone can help me with this error i'm seeing on some of my wordpress pages: Warning: sem_get() [function.sem-get]: failed for key 0x152b: Permission denied... i'm on etch |
| 21:29.09 | ringo999 | itchi: yep, thx ;-) |
| 21:29.18 | gpm | google's no help :( |
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| 21:30.25 | S4nD3r | ??? |
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| 21:32.12 | S4nD3r | lpq |
| 21:32.17 | S4nD3r | DeskJet-640C is not ready |
| 21:32.17 | S4nD3r | I dont know where to begin |
| 21:32.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:32.20 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:32.50 | the_lord | Hi! which package contains the firmware for an acer scanner? |
| 21:32.52 | usr_rob | amphi: Oh my god! Now the scanner works, it almost made me insane! hehe |
| 21:33.04 | the_lord | Hi! which package contains the firmware for an acer scanner? |
| 21:33.07 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbles |
| 21:33.08 | the_lord | sorry |
| 21:34.40 | tarzeau | vin`: yeah, run a server? |
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| 21:35.55 | u221e | Why won't fglrx get loaded... |
| 21:36.03 | vin` | tarzeau: yeah, eth.ch or somesuch |
| 21:36.16 | tarzeau | vin`: is one running? i'm testing out actioncube |
| 21:36.23 | tarzeau | vin`: if it builds, i'll make a package |
| 21:36.32 | the_lord | Hi! which package contains the firmware for an acer scanner? |
| 21:36.34 | tarzeau | vin`: it's 33 mb :) |
| 21:36.35 | vin` | tarzeau: what does that do? |
| 21:36.41 | tarzeau | vin`: a 3d egoshooter |
| 21:36.48 | EmleyMoor | the_lord: None, at a guess |
| 21:37.21 | tarzeau | oh wait it's based on the cube engine, which is package for debian already? |
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| 21:39.36 | tuvwx | yay.. aiglx and gompiz work perfectly on my ati radeon 9100IGP using the opensource driver |
| 21:39.53 | d0uglas | tuv: nice man bravo |
| 21:40.04 | tuvwx | d0uglas, thanks |
| 21:40.28 | vin` | tuvwx: it's been working fine for hmm.. a long time on my crapshit i915. congrats! ;) |
| 21:40.35 | tuvwx | man this is nice.. this is a significant edge over the windows family |
| 21:40.59 | ringo999 | hmmm.... what is a safe x server driver to use? just vesa? |
| 21:41.08 | d0uglas | yeah |
| 21:41.19 | tuvwx | vin`, i just tried it now. it took me 5 minutes and the wiki.debian compiz page |
| 21:41.44 | vin` | tuvwx: wobbly wobble on. |
| 21:41.47 | tuvwx | ringo999, what's your video chip? |
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| 21:42.07 | d0uglas | tuv: did you just install the fglrx* packages? modconf, module-assistant stuff? lib mesa? |
| 21:42.12 | ringo999 | tuvwx: im using parallels on a macbook, so its something "virtual" |
| 21:42.15 | d0uglas | xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 21:42.25 | tuvwx | d0uglas, no.. i'm using the opensource driver |
| 21:42.29 | tuvwx | d0uglas, yup. the latter |
| 21:42.55 | d0uglas | so you did apt get the fglrx stuff, and the xserver ati thing, and that was it? |
| 21:43.26 | tuvwx | d0uglas, no fglrx at all |
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| 21:43.36 | d0uglas | hmmm. |
| 21:43.42 | d0uglas | where's that wiki page? |
| 21:43.51 | tuvwx | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 21:44.23 | tuvwx | d0uglas, i can't use both fglrx and xserver ati driver at the same time. i'm using xorg's ati driver only |
| 21:44.25 | superjon | What is the best way of copying the contents of dir1 to dir2 on host2 without overwriting anything currently existing? |
| 21:45.03 | tuvwx | superjon, i use unison for that, but if it's a one time thing, man cp probably |
| 21:45.15 | superjon | over the network |
| 21:45.24 | blondie | rsync? |
| 21:45.25 | superjon | dir1 on host1 to dir2 on host2 |
| 21:45.38 | tuvwx | superjon, cp with nfs does the 'over the network' part |
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| 21:45.47 | blondie | rsync does it more easily |
| 21:45.53 | tuvwx | superjon, unison works with ssh |
| 21:45.53 | vader-- | hmm im still having a bear getting this network card to load after recompiling the kernel |
| 21:45.58 | vader-- | when i try ifup eth0 i get SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 21:46.06 | Phated | vader--: Compiled in the driver for it? |
| 21:46.08 | vader-- | i had a network card before the kernel upgrade |
| 21:46.10 | superjon | Which would be the fastest? This is a lot of data |
| 21:46.20 | blondie | define a "lot" |
| 21:46.26 | Phated | Loaded the module for the driver, if not built-in? |
| 21:46.35 | vader-- | phated thats the problem i dunno what card it is |
| 21:46.50 | vader-- | it worked when i did a default install of debian 3.1 with kernel 2.4 |
| 21:46.55 | tuvwx | superjon, yeah.. there are lots of tools for that |
| 21:47.05 | vader-- | i upgraded the kernel and now no workie |
| 21:47.16 | superjon | tuvwx: I'm just asking which is best for the job |
| 21:47.27 | Phated | vader--: I'd suggest researching and finding out, then. Without that information, there's very little anyone can do to help you. In fact, finding out and making sure that when your kernel was built, it had the driver - that might have prevented this issue. |
| 21:47.46 | tuvwx | superjon, there is no single answer for that question. everyone will tell you what's best in his openion |
| 21:47.47 | superjon | vader--: rebuild the kernel again and do make oldconfig |
| 21:47.57 | pickcoder | vader--: 1) the module was built into the kernel you had or 2) the module is not available for the new kernel |
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| 21:48.01 | superjon | tuvwx: And thats what I'm doing, is asking for opinions |
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| 21:48.16 | pickcoder | superjon: lspci and look for it |
| 21:48.23 | tuvwx | superjon, well you got a few then started complaining about them being 'a lot' |
| 21:48.37 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:48.42 | pickcoder | r/superjon/vader-- |
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| 21:48.53 | superjon | tuvwx: I'm talking about ~150GB of data from one side of the US to the other |
| 21:49.08 | superjon | and was asking for suggestions on the best way to do it |
| 21:49.16 | pickcoder | superjon: tar gzip it and then transfer it as an archive |
| 21:49.20 | Phated | Heh. A very patient wget. |
| 21:49.26 | pickcoder | you'll get much better throughput for a single transfer |
| 21:49.28 | tuvwx | superjon, with hosts that far, the software will hardly be your bottleneck. worry about the link for speed |
| 21:49.31 | pickcoder | than thousands of small ones |
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| 21:49.46 | superjon | tuvwx: dedicated link, thats not a huge problem |
| 21:49.54 | amphi | usr_rob: what did you change? 'device auto'? |
| 21:50.07 | ringo999 | trying to startx, the "common" /dev/input/mice" can not be found error, using xf86 |
| 21:50.28 | x_link | Hi |
| 21:50.40 | x_link | I need some help. |
| 21:50.43 | superjon | pickcoder: But tar czf - | ssh foo... will copy files over the network that already exist. Thats what I'm trying to prevent :( |
| 21:50.56 | wouterl | how can i place a flag in minesweeper (in aptitude)? |
| 21:50.57 | x_link | I need a program or something that will show me the CPU temp, can somebody please help me with that ? |
| 21:51.05 | x_link | I would really appreciate that. |
| 21:51.06 | wouterl | i know, a quite stupid question |
| 21:51.27 | amphi | x_link: acpi -t |
| 21:51.27 | x_link | amphi: So I don't need a program ? |
| 21:51.27 | x_link | GReat. |
| 21:51.48 | S4nD3r | This is my problem.. how solve it ?? Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL" |
| 21:51.48 | pickcoder | tar -k ? |
| 21:51.50 | amphi | x_link: acpi(1) is a program |
| 21:51.56 | x_link | LOL okey. |
| 21:51.58 | vader-- | the NIC card is a Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] (rev 20) |
| 21:52.03 | vader-- | is that supported in the kernel? |
| 21:52.17 | x_link | pickcoder: Talking to me ? |
| 21:52.29 | usr_rob | amphi: Yes it could be that, then i installed iscan epkowa, xsane/sane can't scan but iscan does it :) Thx Mate! :) |
| 21:52.30 | pickcoder | x_link: no.. that was for superjon |
| 21:52.33 | vin` | x_link: you could also check /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 21:52.39 | amphi | x_link: gui system monitors like gkrellm will also show you |
| 21:52.52 | amphi | usr_rob: cool |
| 21:52.54 | superjon | pickcoder: I'm thinking rsync might be the best bet here |
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| 21:54.42 | usr_rob | amphi: Debian rocks! hehe, oh can't wait to get my hands on a Thinkpad X40, will run OpenBSD 4.0 on it :P |
| 21:55.01 | amphi | usr_rob: why not debian? |
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| 21:55.25 | superjon | usr_rob: the T60s run debian mediocre at best, thats what I'm using now. |
| 21:55.43 | amphi | superjon: what doesn't work? |
| 21:55.51 | usr_rob | superjon: NICE! |
| 21:56.02 | amphi | usr_rob: my T42 is very happy with debian |
| 21:56.05 | superjon | amphi: 3d acceleration using the latest fglrx drivers, and the fingerprint reader |
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| 21:56.20 | usr_rob | amphi: i have debian on my laptop, my other one, the one i write this :) old dell, but it works |
| 21:56.28 | ringo999 | how can i figure out what device my mouse is using ( i know there was a trick ) |
| 21:56.40 | amphi | superjon: the latter I wouldn't care about, the 3d accel is a PITA |
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| 21:56.41 | superjon | Even though it has a card supposedly supported by the prop drivers, it doesn't work because glxinfo shows mesa as the opengl vendor |
| 21:56.46 | x_link | Yeah, superkaramba will proerly have a widget that will show something. |
| 21:56.54 | x_link | Thanks alot guys, I really appreciate it. |
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| 21:57.02 | superjon | amphi: Well the coolest thing is that the core duo supports windows under xen, I've been playing with it |
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| 21:57.21 | xaka | how reconfigure package, installed by apt-get? |
| 21:57.33 | xaka | reconfigure and reinstall |
| 21:57.37 | amphi | superjon: that's a very disappointing 'collest thing', I must say |
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| 21:58.03 | ^Ocean^ | is there any programs to capture movies with my Webcam ? i found several that will capture an image, but nothing that will do like a .avi or mpg movie |
| 21:58.03 | amphi | usr_rob: why openbsd on the x40? |
| 21:58.04 | stew | xaka: dpkg-reconfigure packagename ; apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
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| 21:58.13 | SCHNUPPI | i like vagina lickin |
| 21:58.15 | h3sp4wn | xaka: or /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:58.18 | SCHNUPPI | hi all |
| 21:58.20 | stew | SCHNUPPI: please keep it on topic |
| 21:58.24 | superjon | amphi: No, the fact that the core duo supports that is cool |
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| 21:58.27 | usr_rob | I have to read some reviews and spec. so i can choose which Thinkpad that could serve me most |
| 21:58.29 | SCHNUPPI | i am new to irc stw |
| 21:58.31 | SCHNUPPI | stew |
| 21:58.35 | SCHNUPPI | i was msn before |
| 21:58.36 | SCHNUPPI | lol |
| 21:58.46 | amphi | superjon: supports what? xen? |
| 21:58.56 | amphi | !lol |
| 21:58.56 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:59.10 | superjon | amphi: hardware based virtualization on the core duo. The Vanderpool tech |
| 21:59.21 | tuvwx | has anyone tried the aiglx effects remotely, e.g. over vnc? |
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| 21:59.46 | amphi | superjon: uhuh - I know almost nothing about it, sounds nice - too good to waste on legacy OSes ;) |
| 21:59.51 | usr_rob | amphi: Why obsd on x40? I read that most of the hardware are supported by default |
| 21:59.52 | eeyore- | tuvwx: oh come on. the answer should be obvious |
| 21:59.56 | eeyore- | tuv: "heck no!" |
| 22:00.02 | d0uglas | according to lspci, i've got a ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1. Is this known by some other modle number? Can't find it ati's site. |
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| 22:00.10 | ^Ocean^ | tuvwx: last i herd vnc and XGL didint play nice |
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| 22:00.31 | superjon | amphi: It means that you can run stuff virtualized under xen without having to modify the kernel. So stuff like windows or os x would run under it. (os x requires massive hacking though) |
| 22:00.34 | eeyore- | d0uglas: update-pciids; lspci; lspci -n |
| 22:00.41 | d0uglas | cool |
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| 22:00.44 | amphi | usr_rob: I expect linux supports it too; everything on this T42 works; see linux-laptop.net, tuxmobil.org, and thinkwiki.org perhaps |
| 22:00.55 | olfax | hi all; after changing system disk , boot stop, is there a way to set kernel or init-rd in verbose mode ? |
| 22:00.58 | superjon | usr_rob: Yeah, the T42 is great for linux support |
| 22:01.02 | tuvwx | eeyore-, well i heard there is some support in aiglx for remote displays or something like that. probably X11 forwarding over ssh, but don't know about vnc |
| 22:01.05 | itchi | eeyore-: What does that do? |
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| 22:01.28 | amphi | superjon: uhuh - it may be a while before I get my hands on such a machine... |
| 22:01.43 | usr_rob | Nice! Will google on :) thx, superjon/amphi .. |
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| 22:02.09 | superjon | amphi: My company paid for it :) |
| 22:02.16 | amphi | superjon: nice |
| 22:02.28 | usr_rob | superjon: ;) |
| 22:02.29 | amphi | superjon: they paid for 1600x1200 panel? ;) |
| 22:02.50 | d0uglas | eeyore-: same answer for the VGA controller line but i also see host and pci bridges for an ATI 320N .. could that be it? not seeing that on the site either |
| 22:03.09 | superjon | amphi: correct |
| 22:03.31 | eeyore- | d0uglas: well the output of "lspci -n" should give you the device ID you can look up elsewhere |
| 22:03.47 | eeyore- | d0uglas: the output of lspci itself (without the -n option) will tell you which line to match them up |
| 22:03.48 | d0uglas | k |
| 22:03.49 | superjon | amphi: Most of my time is spent in a terminal anyways, so lots of screen realestate is good |
| 22:03.58 | amphi | superjon: aye |
| 22:04.16 | eeyore- | d0uglas: output of "lspci -v" is too verbose for me, and i really just want the xxxx:xxxx numbers anyway |
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| 22:04.20 | amphi | superjon: you get console fb to work at that res? |
| 22:04.37 | usr_rob | superjon: wow, the T60 it's way to expensive for me ;) |
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| 22:04.51 | mirak | is there a way to not have IPTABLES polluting the syslog and kernel log ? |
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| 22:05.06 | superjon | amphi: Yeah, you have to pass vga=794 to the kernel at boot or just put that in your menu.lst |
| 22:05.07 | usr_rob | superjon: Could i get yours ? |
| 22:05.13 | WerdnaServer | hey, anybody got any ideas for freeing disk space? |
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| 22:05.15 | eeyore- | amphi: you can get fb console to work at 1600x1200 and some other oddball resolutions, too (1680x1050, for example) |
| 22:05.16 | WerdnaServer | It's mostly under /usr |
| 22:05.19 | usr_rob | superjon: ;) |
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| 22:05.25 | eeyore- | amphi: are you specifically having a problem with some modes? |
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| 22:06.21 | usr_rob | amphi: T42 seems nice! |
| 22:06.22 | amphi | eeyore-: no, just asking - I have it working fine at my neandertal 1024x768 |
| 22:06.24 | eeyore- | amphi: if you have ATI card, DVI output, but using vesafb driver, you might not get 1600x1200 without kernel modeline patch. but, you should get this mode with radeonfb. i did. |
| 22:06.27 | pumpkin0 | Are there any known problems in using the 2.6.18 kernel from unstable in testing ? (2.6.18 fixed a problem with my laptop-chipset, but sid is scary). |
| 22:06.40 | eeyore- | usr_rob: T41, 42, 43 are no longer produced |
| 22:06.55 | eeyore- | usr_rob: quantities are limited. if you want them, get them now. we're moving to T60's for longer production life. |
| 22:07.01 | WerdnaServer | I've run deborphan and apt-get clean |
| 22:07.02 | amphi | usr_rob: T42s are quite cheap on ebay these days FWIW |
| 22:07.06 | WerdnaServer | and all that good stuff |
| 22:07.40 | usr_rob | eeyore-: Thx for the info. |
| 22:07.51 | amphi | superjon: 1600x1200 must be nice for mplayer -vo aa ;) |
| 22:08.14 | x_link | amphi: I just downlaoded 2-3 different widgets on superkaramba. |
| 22:08.20 | x_link | It shows everything except the temp. |
| 22:08.24 | eeyore- | we get the T60, cdrw, 1GB, ati, 1400x1050 panel, 80GB drive, wifi, bluetooth, blah blah for $1625 |
| 22:08.31 | usr_rob | amphi: Okey, should look at some store in sweden .. |
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| 22:08.35 | superjon | amphi: I dont care, the T42 supported beryl with the oss drivers and the T60 doesn't support beryl with the proprietary drivers and a way better video card. Its kind of annoying |
| 22:08.39 | amphi | x_link: superkaramba? does acpi -t work? |
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| 22:08.47 | x_link | amphi: I didn't download it. |
| 22:08.51 | eeyore- | superjon: what's in the T42? |
| 22:08.53 | x_link | I will google for it now. |
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| 22:08.58 | eeyore- | superjon: nvidia or ati? |
| 22:09.01 | x_link | amphi: apt-get install acpi -t ? |
| 22:09.12 | superjon | eeyore-: Intel video card supported by AIGLX and the oss drivers. The T60 uses an ATI |
| 22:09.59 | eeyore- | superjon: i've heard of (suse site) T60 running Xgl |
| 22:10.09 | amphi | eeyore-: this one has an ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 22:10.23 | superjon | eeyore-: I'm using the prop driver right now from ati and even still, its not working that well |
| 22:10.24 | eeyore- | at any rate, i have to run Xgl now (nv legacy driver here, and ati r300 at home) |
| 22:10.58 | amphi | x_link: just type acpi -t in a term |
| 22:11.20 | vin` | eeyore-: why xgl? heard the newer nvidia drivers support aiglx. |
| 22:11.28 | eeyore- | vin`: *legacy* |
| 22:11.28 | mirak | is there a way to not have IPTABLES polluting the syslog and kernel log ? |
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| 22:11.40 | eeyore- | vin`: as in, nv15 :-) it's what i have lying around |
| 22:11.46 | x_link | amphi: That doesn't work. |
| 22:11.47 | x_link | I tried it. |
| 22:11.53 | eeyore- | either that (nv15) or matrox g550, and i don't wanna go there |
| 22:11.57 | x_link | Not enought parameters or something. |
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| 22:12.24 | x_link | amphi: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/download.html should I download tha t? |
| 22:12.32 | amphi | x_link: apt-get install acpi |
| 22:12.52 | x_link | okey |
| 22:13.03 | vin` | x_link: what does cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature say? |
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| 22:13.22 | x_link | vin`: Will try that now. |
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| 22:13.47 | x_link | vin`: ahh it shows |
| 22:13.52 | x_link | Thanks man ! |
| 22:14.00 | x_link | amphi: I did that command now. |
| 22:14.19 | x_link | I will try to find the program now. |
| 22:14.19 | amphi | x_link: now try acpi -t |
| 22:14.20 | vin` | x_link: acpt -t parses that. |
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| 22:14.20 | itchi | Here on the Etch laptop. less /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ shows no output |
| 22:14.29 | x_link | amphi: acpi -t works now |
| 22:14.36 | amphi | x_link: yes ;) |
| 22:14.37 | pickcoder | mirak: do you have rules that specify -j LOG or -j LOGDROP? |
| 22:14.39 | vin` | itchi: modprobe therman |
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| 22:14.49 | vin` | s/man/mal |
| 22:14.59 | x_link | amphi & vin` thanks ALOT ! |
| 22:15.04 | mirak | pickcoder: don't know, I use firestarter |
| 22:15.13 | mirak | pickcoder: where is that supposed to be ? |
| 22:15.23 | ^Ocean^ | is there any programs to capture movies with my Webcam ? i found several that will capture an image, but nothing that will do like a .avi or mpg movie |
| 22:15.23 | itchi | vin`: thermal ? |
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| 22:15.31 | pickcoder | mirak: in the iptables statements that setup the rules |
| 22:15.32 | vin` | itchi: yes. |
| 22:15.34 | usr_rob | amphi: I found a ThinkPad T60 Intel Core Duo 1.66GHz/512MB/80GB/TFT14.1/DVDRW for 13774 Swedish crowns, 19000USD mabey not so expensive :) |
| 22:15.41 | mirak | pickcoder: where is that statement ? |
| 22:15.44 | amphi | x_link: you're welcome; gkrellm will also display cpu temp, if you want a gui thing |
| 22:15.52 | pickcoder | mirak: firestarter creates them I guess |
| 22:15.53 | itchi | vin`: Did it, still not show output |
| 22:15.56 | loxley_ | anyone else getting errors after upgrading to latest version of phpmyadmin? |
| 22:16.27 | amphi | usr_rob: what video card, nic, wifi, panel res? |
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| 22:16.31 | vin` | itchi: shrug, havent used a debian kernel in a while. |
| 22:16.33 | itchi | acpi and acpid are been installed |
| 22:16.36 | x_link | amphi: I had gkrellm before, but it's ugly as hell =) |
| 22:16.38 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-193-72:~$ acpi -t Thermal 1: ok, 54.0 degrees C |
| 22:16.40 | x_link | Is that alot ? |
| 22:16.57 | amphi | x_link: what processor? |
| 22:17.21 | x_link | AMD Athlon XP 2600+ |
| 22:17.29 | pumpkin0 | x_link: OK |
| 22:17.36 | usr_rob | amphi: i'm looking on the spec. now but i have to look at som review or IBM's page cause pricerunner don't list those details |
| 22:17.37 | amphi | x_link: mine idles at 32 or so, 1.6GHz pentium m |
| 22:18.07 | itchi | How can we get less /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ showing some output? Looks like there is no subtree in that location |
| 22:18.08 | amphi | x_link: but I 'undervolted' it; it used to idle at ~40 |
| 22:18.15 | x_link | amphi: My CPU has a fan, video card has a fan, hdd has fan, mobo has a fan, then I plugged in 2 fans in the case, one on the backside of teh case so that it blow out the air and one in the middle of the case. |
| 22:18.22 | x_link | amphi: Okey. |
| 22:18.28 | x_link | So mine is okey or is it to hot or what ? |
| 22:18.53 | pumpkin0 | x_link: it´s good for a loaded system and sort-of-OK for a idle system. |
| 22:19.03 | x_link | hmm okey. |
| 22:19.07 | x_link | Should I take one of the sides of ? |
| 22:19.11 | x_link | So that it will be cooler ? |
| 22:19.13 | usr_rob | Lenevo is a part of IBM ? |
| 22:19.15 | amphi | x_link: somewhere in /proc you should find the 'danger' temp setting; it's 90C on this IIRC |
| 22:19.20 | vin` | x_link: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points |
| 22:19.35 | pumpkin0 | x_link: did the system run something, did the cpu have to work hard ? |
| 22:19.39 | x_link | critical (S5): 120 C |
| 22:19.57 | usr_rob | Newbie on IBM .. |
| 22:19.59 | amphi | damn, that's hot |
| 22:20.12 | vin` | x_link: long way to go, if your scrotum's comfortable, let it rest. ;_ |
| 22:20.14 | x_link | pumpkin0: I'm running Firestarter, FireFox, Ktorrent, Konqueror, one konsole with 3 sessions in it. |
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| 22:20.54 | amphi | x_link: load avg close to 0 I would think |
| 22:20.58 | pumpkin0 | usr_rob: no. IBM slod the whole PC and laptop-division to Lenovo. |
| 22:21.09 | x_link | amphi: ? |
| 22:21.16 | usr_rob | pumpkin0: Okey :) |
| 22:21.18 | itchi | Should we do somethings to get less /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ showing the temp? acpi, acpid are installed, thermal is load. |
| 22:21.28 | x_link | But what do you guys think, should I take one of the sides of or should I let it be ? |
| 22:21.43 | amphi | usr_rob: lenovo used to make them ibm before I believe |
| 22:22.05 | amphi | *for ibm |
| 22:22.08 | usr_rob | pumpkin0: So the quality is the same i guess? |
| 22:22.16 | pumpkin0 | x_link: you can fry your HDs by taking of sides ... it depends on the case, but most of the time it´s best to leave them on. |
| 22:22.30 | usr_rob | amphi: Okey, INTEL MEDIA ACCELERATOR 950 UP 128MB is in the T60 |
| 22:22.54 | itchi | I see in modconf that thermal, processor, fan, button, battery, ac is selecled |
| 22:23.03 | usr_rob | amphi: integrated isn't what i want |
| 22:23.13 | amphi | usr_rob: you can probably get a variety of cards |
| 22:23.14 | vin` | itchi: which kernel? |
| 22:23.41 | pumpkin0 | usr_rob: sort-of-yes. The big changing point is the design. Newer stuff is designed by Lenovo under the controll of lenovo. before it was IBM-guidelines and IBM-design mixed with lenovo. |
| 22:23.43 | itchi | vin`: 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 22:24.15 | usr_rob | pumpkin0: Your on it! :) thx! |
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| 22:24.30 | x_link | pumpkin0: Okey. |
| 22:24.37 | x_link | Cause one of my hdds has a fan. |
| 22:24.49 | x_link | Actually it's a small plastic/metalic thing with two small fans on it. |
| 22:24.54 | x_link | But my second hdd doesn't have it. |
| 22:24.56 | pumpkin0 | usr_rob: the T60 and Z60 are a safe bet (IBM was still in charge). |
| 22:24.58 | usr_rob | amphi: Yeah, i think i'll have to sleep and look at it with bright eyes tomorrow |
| 22:25.17 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 22:25.21 | usr_rob | pumpkin0: Nice to know! :) |
| 22:25.24 | x_link | Actually I have 6 fans in this machine. |
| 22:25.43 | vin` | x_link: AMD is rumored to run a bit hot, 54 should be fine if your trip point is 120. |
| 22:26.12 | pickcoder | my X2 runs ~ 42 fairly idle |
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| 22:26.37 | usr_rob | Godnight all you debian nuts! ;) .. |
| 22:26.51 | x_link | vin`: Okey. Thanks man for the help =) |
| 22:27.34 | x_link | Time for me to go and watch a movie then go to bed. |
| 22:27.44 | x_link | I'm happy with what I have learned today. |
| 22:27.54 | vin` | x_link: don't let it rest too long on your balls. :) |
| 22:27.54 | amphi | x_link: watch in bed ftw |
| 22:28.18 | x_link | First time I have googled and used browsing to learn something. |
| 22:28.25 | x_link | Feels pretty nice actually =) |
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| 22:30.29 | amphi | usr_rob: short sleep... |
| 22:30.32 | usr_rob | pumpkin0: What model except the T60 was the "safe bet" ? I forgot to save it into a textdoc. |
| 22:30.53 | pumpkin0 | usr_rob: the Z-series. Z6X. |
| 22:31.00 | usr_rob | amphi: I was looking for my eyes, they did fall off ;) |
| 22:31.05 | amphi | heh |
| 22:31.20 | usr_rob | pumpkin0: Thx alot mate! Night! .. |
| 22:32.05 | usr_rob | amphi: Godnight mate ;) .. |
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| 22:33.41 | uroboros | Hello. |
| 22:34.06 | DaBlade | uroboros: Hello. |
| 22:34.10 | amphi | !greet uroboros |
| 22:34.10 | dpkg | Hi there, uroboros |
| 22:34.21 | abrotman | noone cares about me |
| 22:34.29 | amphi | heh |
| 22:34.32 | itchi | Someone know how i can let less /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/.. showing the temp? |
| 22:34.40 | DaBlade | abrotwho? |
| 22:34.41 | amphi | !comfort abrotman |
| 22:34.41 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:34.43 | DaBlade | ;) |
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| 22:35.05 | DaBlade | !give-sexual-satisfaction abrotman |
| 22:35.11 | DaBlade | Oh... that doesn't work. |
| 22:35.12 | abrotman | !love DaBlade |
| 22:35.17 | DaBlade | Looks like bots can't do everything. :P |
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| 22:35.47 | pickcoder | don't tell dpkg that |
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| 22:37.05 | Slart | Hello, I'm using a Promise Sata300 TX4 pci controller with debian unstable and I keep getting errors on hard drives that when checked with a boot disc is fine. Is anyone here using the promise Sata 300 Tx4 controller with debian? |
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| 22:38.04 | george | Slart: is there any way you can determine the version of both the driver and the kernel, both for your installed kernel and for the one on the boot disk? |
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| 22:38.38 | george | in fact that might lead you to a direct solution |
| 22:39.08 | Slart | kernel is 2.6.17-2-k7.. the boot disc was the ultimate boot disc.. the windows version |
| 22:39.22 | george | windows? |
| 22:39.37 | george | hmm, that may be much too different to yield any info |
| 22:39.43 | Slart | yes.. kind of windows live disc.. |
| 22:40.57 | Slart | but the discs seem fine.. although I keep getting errors in the kernel-log "Nov 9 20:25:32 Comp01 kernel: ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x51/40 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x3/11/04 |
| 22:40.57 | Slart | Nov 9 20:25:32 Comp01 kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" |
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| 22:42.25 | tompaw69 | postgresql-common: Depends: ssl-cert (>= 1.0.11) but 1.0-11 is to be installed |
| 22:42.34 | Slart | there is a linux driver (source) downloadable from the promise web-site.. but I had trouble compiling that the last time I tried.. so I got some advice to use the sata_promise module witha small hack |
| 22:42.37 | tompaw69 | how do i force it to install? |
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| 22:44.21 | biopyte | hi there.i have a little problem. since three days or so the '0' key of my keyboard does not work in an X-session anymore. no, the key is ok. works perfectly on a tty. only in the X context theres a problem. strange, huh? any idea? |
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| 22:49.30 | penguin__ | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 22:49.39 | penguin__ | I have had this for some time now |
| 22:50.21 | itchi | penguin__: Maybe an mirror down |
| 22:50.54 | JohnRobert | for some reason, cron isn't running my scripts in /etc/cron.hourly/ .. however, I get no logs of what's going on. I've put some test scripts in to make sure it's not my script, it runs in cron.daily. Does this line look correct from my crontab? 17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 22:51.26 | penguin__ | Get: 1 http://debian.uchicago.edu testing Release.gpg [189B] |
| 22:51.37 | penguin__ | Do I need to change mirrors? |
| 22:51.47 | penguin__ | It has been like this for over a week? |
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| 22:53.23 | itchi | JohnRobert: Is the script executable? |
| 22:53.52 | itchi | penguin__: Try with another mirror, probably it will be are solved |
| 22:54.16 | JohnRobert | itchi: yes |
| 22:54.23 | JohnRobert | chmod 755 etc..it's really bizzare |
| 22:54.44 | JohnRobert | it's also really frustrating to test as I have to wait an hour :p |
| 22:55.34 | penguin__ | IS there an easy way to change mirrors? |
| 22:55.47 | itchi | JohnRobert: Is there an shebang in the begin of the file? |
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| 22:55.59 | george | penguin__: man 5 sources.list |
| 22:56.01 | JohnRobert | halbox:/etc/cron.hourly# cat planet.sh |
| 22:56.01 | JohnRobert | #!/bin/bash |
| 22:56.04 | itchi | penguin__: Sarge? |
| 22:56.12 | penguin__ | testing |
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| 22:59.41 | itchi | penguin__: On testing, apt-setup is not available. |
| 22:59.53 | tarzeau | streuner_: ping |
| 23:00.01 | tarzeau | streuner_: where was the real #debian party again? |
| 23:00.18 | plutonas | do usb keyboards work under linux and debian? |
| 23:00.33 | stew | plutonas: yes |
| 23:00.34 | itchi | plutonas: Sure it does |
| 23:00.49 | nvzn | plutonas: sure |
| 23:01.23 | JohnRobert | bed time |
| 23:01.30 | JohnRobert | thanks itchi |
| 23:01.30 | JohnRobert | :p |
| 23:01.32 | JohnRobert | bbl |
| 23:01.33 | plutonas | I see, I just ask because I have problems with an usb router |
| 23:02.05 | itchi | penguin__: If you have an Sarge box somelse, you can use that apt-setup; and copy there the url's of. I not know of another way |
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| 23:02.25 | penguin__ | I thought testing was the latest and greatest |
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| 23:02.44 | pickcoder | etch will be the latest and greatest |
| 23:02.48 | plutonas | well thx |
| 23:02.52 | pickcoder | it just still happens to be in testing |
| 23:02.58 | itchi | Sid will be the latest |
| 23:03.06 | penguin__ | I am in testing |
| 23:03.08 | tarzeau | pickcoder: hahaha |
| 23:03.10 | itchi | Maybe the Experimental release |
| 23:03.14 | tarzeau | pickcoder: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 23:03.29 | itchi | But that's not supported; an official?? |
| 23:03.30 | plutonas | pickcoder: hows etch? are there still a lot of bugs? |
| 23:03.54 | pickcoder | plutonas: I've run across a couple kernel bugs here and there with 2.6.17, but nothing else |
| 23:03.55 | penguin__ | Y would they reduce functionalty |
| 23:03.56 | tarzeau | plutonas: 193, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 23:04.05 | itchi | plutonas: Wait a little bit, Etch is near to become stable |
| 23:04.10 | penguin__ | I have no apt-setup; You are right about that |
| 23:04.35 | itchi | penguin__: Only on Sarge |
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| 23:05.00 | penguin__ | How come they got rid of it? |
| 23:05.02 | pickcoder | hm |
| 23:05.03 | plutonas | pickcoder: I use 2.6.18 anyway :) |
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| 23:05.15 | Peaceful | Is an installation log created when you install debian? |
| 23:05.53 | george | Peaceful: that question may boil down to: does dpkg keep a log of what is installed |
| 23:06.23 | Phoenix92x | I'm trying to install Etch onto a machine of mine via the netinstall disc and am having problems getting the machine to successfully obtain an IP address using DHCP during install. I'm on a university network which assigns IP addresses via registered MAC addresses. The MAC Address is registered with them and the machine is able to obtain an IP via DHCP when under Windows XP. The school does not give any help or advice to students running linux on the |
| 23:06.23 | Phoenix92x | network, solely windows or the MacOS. Also, there is only one network card installed on the system, but during the network configuration part of install the machine sees two network interfaces, eth0 and eth1. eth0 is described as just "Ethernet or Fast Ethernet" and eth1 is described as "nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet". Trying to use DHCP on either of these interfaces fails, and attempting to manually assign the IP address/netmask etc my machine is |
| 23:06.24 | Phoenix92x | usually assigned fails. I would like some help with this issue please |
| 23:06.27 | george | last time I checked, the answer was no |
| 23:06.36 | george | Phoenix92x: pastebot |
| 23:06.39 | penguin__ | of course dpkg keeps a log of what is installed |
| 23:06.59 | Peaceful | penguin__: do you know its location? |
| 23:07.06 | Peaceful | penguin__: /var/log somewhere? |
| 23:07.06 | george | penguin__: dpkg keeps a -database- of what is -currently- installed |
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| 23:07.26 | hagna | what file timestamp can I check to see when this debian system was installed? |
| 23:07.31 | eeyore- | oooh. got Xgl running on my "legacy" nv15 card (geforce2 gts, 32mb). i *like* it. i think i'm gonna go do the same with ATI on my home desktop |
| 23:07.43 | eeyore- | it's not too bad considering the card is, what, four years old? |
| 23:07.48 | Phoenix92x | george: pastebot? |
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| 23:08.11 | pickcoder | Phoenix92x: don't paste huge text lines like that in the channel |
| 23:08.49 | george | Phoenix92x: when you're pasting something, better to use a pastebot, or better, a web page you serve that has the details of the problem, to which you can add information that comes to you afterward |
| 23:08.51 | Phoenix92x | oh, I'm sorry, I thought the pastebin/flood thing applied only to large logs and the like |
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| 23:09.20 | pickcoder | tarzeau: do you think cash rewards for bug smashing would really speed up the release? |
| 23:09.35 | george | Phoenix92x: it's not a -problem- per se... it just matched a pattern |
| 23:10.00 | Phoenix92x | george: I understand, I'll be more considerate in the future |
| 23:10.05 | mick_home | is there a way that i can see what motherboard specs I have via cat `/proc/something` ? |
| 23:10.05 | george | consider my response as an idea you can use now and in the future |
| 23:10.21 | tarzeau | pickcoder: no |
| 23:10.23 | mick_home | since i can do it for cpu / ram - i just figured... |
| 23:10.26 | george | Phoenix92x: and for your consideration all of us thank you profusely |
| 23:10.29 | Peaceful | So I have the same question that hagna had: "[how] can I check to see when this debian system was installed?" |
| 23:10.36 | tarzeau | pickcoder: debian is not corrupt |
| 23:10.40 | Peaceful | I figured there must be an install log somewhere. |
| 23:10.50 | vin` | tarzeau: so etch ain't gonna release in december? |
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| 23:11.19 | pickcoder | mick_home: dmesg, /proc/cpufino, /proc/meminfo, |
| 23:11.29 | tarzeau | vin`: if everyone suddenly picks one rc bug in here, and closes it withint the same day (say today), it could be released tomorrow |
| 23:11.40 | mick_home | pickcoder: i know those - they don't say anything about the motherboard |
| 23:11.41 | segfault | !nvidiabeta |
| 23:11.43 | pickcoder | tarzeau: I mean as far as encouraging certain bugs to be fixed quickly |
| 23:11.44 | tarzeau | vin`: really i've got no idea what the guys @debian have in mind |
| 23:11.58 | tarzeau | pickcoder: encourage who? which bugs? |
| 23:12.12 | pickcoder | tarzeau: the community, bugs that are critical |
| 23:12.24 | abrotman | pickcoder: there's a website for that iirc .. not at all debian related (not dunc-tank either) |
| 23:12.26 | george | Peaceful: there is a database, this database keeps track of the status of packages, whether they were installed or not, whether the install went well or whether there was a problem with the package due to (for example) incomplete install, etc |
| 23:12.28 | Phoenix92x | could I please have some help with the issue described here? http://pastebin.com/820719 |
| 23:12.40 | vin` | pickcoder: ok, host a bsp here. |
| 23:12.48 | mick_home | pickcoder: "<mick_home>since i can do it for cpu / ram " <-- i thought that this kind of gave it away? |
| 23:13.00 | george | Peaceful: as far as I know, this database is not also a log in the normal sense of the word |
| 23:13.01 | Seb | is /dev/console "attached" to an actual terminal ? How does that work ? |
| 23:13.02 | tarzeau | i'd rather see 3.1r4 fixed |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | Phoenix92x: try #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 23:13.28 | pickcoder | mick_home: it depends on what you're after |
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| 23:13.38 | Peaceful | george: so where's the db, or how do I access it? Or, what should I search for so I can RTFM? |
| 23:13.40 | Phoenix92x | abrotman: what is OFTC? |
| 23:13.51 | mick_home | i'd like to see if my motherboard is supported by linuxbios/openbios |
| 23:13.53 | vin` | Phoenix92x: irc.oftc.net |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | Phoenix92x: irc.oftc.net |
| 23:14.00 | jelly | Hi, where does compiz hide the menu? |
| 23:14.04 | george | Peaceful: part of it is in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 23:14.11 | Phoenix92x | thank you abrotman |
| 23:14.19 | pickcoder | vin`: I wouldn't even know where to start for hosting a bsp |
| 23:14.27 | pickcoder | vin`: I don't even have cookouts in my back yard |
| 23:14.29 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:14.34 | george | Peaceful: within that dir is info/ |
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| 23:14.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: what's your geographic location ? |
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| 23:14.54 | pickcoder | that's not to say I couldn't offer a small financial investment into the O/S I'm using a lot |
| 23:14.56 | george | also within that dir is status |
| 23:14.56 | flaco | Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font ---> any ideas? |
| 23:15.03 | pickcoder | abrotman: NC, USA |
| 23:15.12 | penguin__ | Messing around with sources.list is a pain in the ass |
| 23:15.13 | pickcoder | near RH's home |
| 23:15.15 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:15.22 | george | Peaceful: so take a look :) |
| 23:15.38 | Peaceful | george: looking... |
| 23:15.46 | vin` | pickcoder: pick a bug, raise a white flag here, ask for help etc. |
| 23:16.09 | Peaceful | george: lotsa files, and status is verrry big |
| 23:16.31 | george | pickcoder: for it to be an "investment" you should know what the ROI is, and the details which can be gathered through the application of "due diligence" |
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| 23:17.14 | vin` | george: if it was for ROI, there wouldn't be gno gnu. |
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| 23:18.01 | george | I'm thinking that unless you consider "the normal operation of maintainance" to be (part of) your ROI, then what you're calling an investment is actually just a contribution |
| 23:18.34 | pickcoder | george: the ROI is the fact that the version I'm running on many machines would become much more stable than it is now, in a shorter amount of time |
| 23:18.49 | penguin__ | ROI? |
| 23:18.57 | george | money may or may not help that |
| 23:19.08 | pickcoder | thus my initial question to tarzeau |
| 23:19.11 | pickcoder | :) |
| 23:19.17 | tarzeau | george: it won't |
| 23:19.25 | tarzeau | george: unless you really have a lot of it |
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| 23:19.44 | george | if a little money won't help I don't see how a lot will |
| 23:20.04 | tarzeau | george: look $1 won't make anyone do a lot more |
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| 23:20.12 | tarzeau | george: but $1.000.000.000 will |
| 23:20.20 | LoneWlf | how do I get a list of packages that were recently removed? |
| 23:20.32 | tarzeau | !removed |
| 23:20.32 | dpkg | hmm... removed is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
| 23:20.34 | george | pickcoder: having said all that, if you focus your contribution specifically, that could help in the area you focus on |
| 23:21.36 | george | tarzeau: all that will do is change the focus of the people who say "I have to take the paid gigs instead of the volunteer gigs" |
| 23:21.39 | pickcoder | george: been there, done that in the Pick world. |
| 23:21.50 | pickcoder | george: still wondering why I even bothered trying |
| 23:21.52 | vin` | with a pick axe |
| 23:22.03 | pickcoder | gah.. Pick Axe.. |
| 23:22.04 | george | and a guitar pick |
| 23:22.05 | george | ? |
| 23:22.08 | LoneWlf | tarzeau : let me be more specific, how can I get a list of packages recently removed from _my_ system? |
| 23:22.13 | penguin__ | What is money supposed to be helping? |
| 23:22.17 | vin` | LoneWlf: /var/log/aptitude |
| 23:22.19 | penguin__ | Let me write a check? |
| 23:22.25 | tarzeau | LoneWlf: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:22.30 | tarzeau | LoneWlf: etch+ |
| 23:22.35 | george | penguin__: no idea, that's what I'm saying |
| 23:22.40 | LoneWlf | thanx ;) |
| 23:22.44 | tarzeau | penguin__: it can be spent on motivating people on specific things |
| 23:22.53 | tarzeau | penguin__: i'd have quite some good uses for it |
| 23:23.17 | penguin__ | I do to. Send me some |
| 23:23.17 | tarzeau | penguin__: i'd rent a house at the lake in zurich and hire 10 guys from the world, and reloacte them for a year |
| 23:23.21 | tarzeau | penguin__: what would you do wiht one million us dollars? |
| 23:23.34 | zinx | tarzeau: 2 chicks at once? |
| 23:23.38 | penguin__ | Buy lottery tickets |
| 23:23.45 | pickcoder | only 2 @ 500K each? |
| 23:23.50 | pickcoder | sounds like a rip-off |
| 23:23.54 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:23.55 | tarzeau | zinx: nah, unless they can cook REALLY good |
| 23:24.08 | vin` | curry |
| 23:24.10 | george | Trump would negotiate a specific price for a specific job (example, a repair of something in a building) and then offer bonuses for completion on time and bigger ones for early |
| 23:24.22 | tarzeau | zinx: or they can code objective-c |
| 23:24.28 | tarzeau | zinx: the only woman i'd hire would be this one: |
| 23:24.35 | george | tarzeau: no question, invest in real estate |
| 23:24.38 | vin` | or burn a gnustep livecd |
| 23:24.42 | tarzeau | zinx: http://www.casabona.com/STCPaper.html |
| 23:24.51 | tarzeau | vin`: i'd press a bunch of them for sure |
| 23:25.16 | Seb | if tty1 is my first virtual console, where is /dev/tty0 ? |
| 23:25.17 | zinx | it was an office space reference :/ |
| 23:25.20 | tarzeau | george: i'd only get the top people |
| 23:25.29 | tarzeau | george: and i know quite a few of them |
| 23:25.41 | mick_home | anyone else having issues w/ the businesscard iso (net install) for testing? |
| 23:25.50 | tarzeau | icaza certainly is NOT one of them |
| 23:25.51 | pickcoder | TPS reports again? |
| 23:25.53 | penguin__ | real estate is going to hell |
| 23:25.55 | mick_home | it seems to install fine until it checks the time |
| 23:26.09 | mick_home | penguin__: i sure as hell hope so |
| 23:26.38 | mick_home | maybe this will one day be affordable again |
| 23:26.38 | vin` | penguin__: we *are* in hell. |
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| 23:26.43 | george | tarzeau: with a mil, you can invest in not less than 10 -substancial- pieces of commercial real estate, with tenants and therefore monthly income, and then use some of the income to donate to whoever |
| 23:27.00 | tarzeau | george: what's a mil? |
| 23:27.04 | tarzeau | million |
| 23:27.08 | george | $1m |
| 23:27.15 | penguin__ | U aint getting ten places where I live for a million |
| 23:27.24 | mick_home | if you have to ask you will never have it ;) |
| 23:27.27 | Braindead | donate? where's the old chicks,cars and drugs dream? |
| 23:27.31 | penguin__ | Ten chicken coops maybe |
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| 23:27.33 | george | penguin__: I have no doubt of that |
| 23:27.34 | pickcoder | 100K barely buys a small house here |
| 23:27.39 | whadar | Braindead: ;) |
| 23:27.41 | tarzeau | pickcoder: where are you? |
| 23:27.47 | Braindead | where is the world going to... |
| 23:27.53 | pickcoder | NC, USA |
| 23:27.55 | mick_home | 100K doesn't get you a house w/ running water here |
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| 23:28.04 | mick_home | 100K gets you something w/ well water |
| 23:28.04 | george | Braindead: ok, so you want to go from $1m to -abigchunkofchange |
| 23:28.04 | tarzeau | mick_home: where's that? |
| 23:28.11 | mick_home | Florida |
| 23:28.23 | jelly | flaco: which application, which version, which Debian release, any special ways to reproduce? |
| 23:28.25 | tarzeau | mick_home: you'll get some lsd trips though? |
| 23:28.28 | Braindead | george: and enjoying all parts of the process |
| 23:28.52 | george | mick_home: in florida, $175k can get you a -nice- 5br home with a pool |
| 23:29.00 | george | I know, I've seen it |
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| 23:29.28 | mick_home | george: where? Tamiami |
| 23:29.30 | george | which can bring $1700/month minimum in rent |
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| 23:30.13 | mick_home | george: please oh please tell me where you saw that |
| 23:30.19 | george | (after expenses, you can pocket what, $900/m?) |
| 23:30.20 | tarzeau | #396728 really sucks |
| 23:30.28 | mick_home | and don't tell me it was like 20 yrs ago when you saw it |
| 23:30.35 | george | mick_home: this year |
| 23:30.47 | mick_home | george: but, where? |
| 23:30.51 | george | I want to say Jacksonville, but not sure |
| 23:31.06 | george | tenant in our bldg moved there into that |
| 23:31.12 | mick_home | ok, that is like a ten hour drive for me |
| 23:31.16 | george | and is paying $1700 rent |
| 23:31.21 | mick_home | but that is enough of a reason to move |
| 23:31.35 | george | damn right, she saw, she moved. |
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| 23:31.49 | mick_home | here 200K gets something decent (something small - but comfortable) |
| 23:32.09 | mick_home | 2 bed / 2 bath |
| 23:32.16 | mick_home | no ppol |
| 23:32.17 | george | what kind of multidwelling stuff do you see? |
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| 23:32.20 | mick_home | pool* |
| 23:32.39 | george | yeah, they said they have a -pool- |
| 23:32.44 | george | and I'm like, wow |
| 23:32.54 | mick_home | i think it is the cdrom that fucks up |
| 23:32.57 | mick_home | bleh... |
| 23:33.23 | george | everyone moved there, one child remained to finish school |
| 23:33.33 | george | and is going after that |
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| 23:35.39 | YogSothoth_ | When remotely write some file, ie with scp or rsync, I want the file to be written with umask 077. How can I force that? I declared that in my .bashrc but it does not work for login shells. |
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| 23:36.50 | beardy | YogSothoth_: ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:37.41 | george | mick_home: so... they are moving from a situation of about 5-6 people spread out across about 4-5 rentals at an average of 800/m to the same 5-6 people in the one $1700/m place |
| 23:37.51 | beardy | YogSothoth_: And the lazy/best way to do now it to remove the commented out "include .bashrc if it exists" since you have already fixed it there. |
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| 23:37.58 | george | you think that might be a good reason to move? :) |
| 23:38.07 | afaik | where can I get INSTALLMSIA.EXE? |
| 23:38.17 | george | afaik: ask bill gates |
| 23:38.22 | beardy | *best way to do it now is |
| 23:38.23 | azeem | afaik: do you have a Debian question? |
| 23:38.25 | widrone_ | Oh dear, not here Im guessing. |
| 23:38.59 | tarzeau | afaik: try google with "index of" |
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| 23:39.06 | tarzeau | afaik: otherwise there's #windows |
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| 23:40.20 | Kerr | i'm getting this when i try to run fsck on an ext3 partition that keeps going read only: |
| 23:40.23 | Kerr | Error reading block 2654303 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. |
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| 23:40.30 | Kerr | is the partition dying? |
| 23:40.35 | Kerr | or is it something i can fix? |
| 23:40.47 | george | Kerr: sounds like the drive is dying, or its low level format |
| 23:40.50 | tarzeau | Kerr: more like the hard disk |
| 23:41.05 | tarzeau | Kerr: who is the manufacturer of the hard disk? |
| 23:41.12 | george | quick, back it up |
| 23:41.26 | george | I said that, and it's my good deed for the day |
| 23:41.56 | george | (if you don't and you lose something you wanted... at least I said you should :) |
| 23:42.08 | YogSothoth_ | <beardy> |
| 23:42.17 | Seb | say i have an .iso image, how do i got about writing it to a usbkey and boot from that ? |
| 23:42.21 | Seb | would that be hard ? |
| 23:42.54 | george | Seb: hmm, so then you'd have a usb stick that looks like a cd |
| 23:42.54 | Kerr | the partition is of my old stable install, which died about a year ago, due to a brownout. (something or-other got fudged that stopped it booting, but the partition appeared ok. I 'm thinking it might just be the filesystem >.> |
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| 23:43.20 | george | Kerr: good luck with that :) |
| 23:43.26 | YogSothoth_ | beardy, I moved my umask 077 declaration from .bashrc to .bash_profile and it did not change the result of writing files with scp or rsync |
| 23:43.29 | lightcap | how is www-data's timezone set? |
| 23:44.14 | george | Kerr: how long ago was that? |
| 23:44.16 | Kerr | in either case, it's an 80gb seagate; and my main storage drive. It's near full, and my 20gb root partition (different drive) is also nearly full :/ |
| 23:44.19 | lightcap | it's coming across in my cgi scripts as localtime instead of system time (UTC) |
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| 23:44.44 | george | Kerr: then if you want to back up, you're going to the store :P |
| 23:45.05 | george | 250g drives are getting cheaper |
| 23:45.14 | zinx | so are 750g drives |
| 23:45.26 | afaik | is there an itunes or (AT LEAST) some little app to import the mp3s to my iPod |
| 23:45.38 | george | never heard of 750g before you just said that :) |
| 23:45.47 | Kerr | george: this is know, 's why i've asked for one from my bro, for my birthday at the end of the month. |
| 23:46.11 | zinx | george: they exist, and if you get 'em on sale they're around $300 |
| 23:46.18 | zinx | maybe cheaper now, dunno. |
| 23:46.22 | george | that's not bad at all |
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| 23:46.34 | Seb | george: ? |
| 23:46.45 | george | I think I got one of my 250s for $50 |
| 23:47.00 | george | Seb: missing info before "?" |
| 23:47.28 | afaik | is there iTunes for the linux!? |
| 23:47.42 | george | (another way of saying that... no response without info) |
| 23:47.43 | Kerr | i could never justify getting a 750gb drive. Three 250's maybe, but 750 sounds a little too much like putting all my eggs in one basket >.> |
| 23:47.57 | widrone_ | afaik: do an apt-cache search for ipod or itunes I think some apps will turn up. |
| 23:48.10 | george | Kerr: howbout 4 750s? as a raid array? |
| 23:48.32 | Kerr | george: i can't even afford to buy a 250 at the moment >.> |
| 23:48.44 | george | sorry to hear that... |
| 23:48.59 | Phoenix92x | hey folks, I tried asking my previous question on #debian-boot at oftc.net and nobody has responded. If anyone could help me I'd really appreciate it. |
| 23:49.08 | Kerr | my employer seems to like slashing my hours at work for weeks at a time |
| 23:49.18 | george | if there is drive damage and it's getting worse, then your best bet is to shut down until you can back up |
| 23:49.34 | Kerr | george: would unmounting it do? |
| 23:49.51 | george | no, removing power to the machine would do. |
| 23:49.59 | george | again, IF: |
| 23:49.59 | Kerr | err |
| 23:50.04 | Kerr | it's not my root partition |
| 23:50.09 | george | the damage is physicially ongoing |
| 23:50.16 | Kerr | so power to the drive? |
| 23:50.53 | kittonian | i was told earlier to use the wipe program to completely erase a hard drive and start over. I did this and then went into fdisk and created one primary partition that covered the entire drive. When I try to mount it I can't. I am typing mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /path |
| 23:51.06 | widrone_ | Phoenix92x: I would file a bug of some sorts if this is the etch rc1 installer. |
| 23:51.13 | kittonian | the partition id is 83 which is Linux and I thought that was ext2 |
| 23:51.17 | george | well one thing we don't know yet is how much you value the info on your drive... but we can guess from what you're evidently willing to do to keep it (which is: wait a month) |
| 23:51.18 | kittonian | what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:51.33 | widrone_ | Phoenix92x: Maybe try a nigthly build if youre feeling in the mood. |
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| 23:51.51 | Kerr | is there a chance that it's just filesystem corruption? I was planning to throw the drive in my quake server box >.> |
| 23:51.55 | george | kittonian: did you format the partition? |
| 23:52.07 | kittonian | george: no, how do I do that? |
| 23:52.44 | george | kittonian: first, a word from our sponsor... "Are you SURE you want to erase the ENTIRE drive??" |
| 23:52.47 | Phoenix92x | widrone: a nightly build? |
| 23:52.55 | kittonian | yes |
| 23:52.58 | kittonian | it's already erased |
| 23:52.59 | pickcoder | Kerr: when you get short read errors. you can pretty much bet the drive is failing |
| 23:53.02 | widrone_ | kittonian: man mke2fs before you try please =) |
| 23:53.14 | Phoenix92x | Im not sure if its the etch rc1, its the one I downloaded as the amd64 netinstall disc for etch |
| 23:53.33 | pickcoder | Kerr: create an image of it or try duplicating it as soon as you can |
| 23:53.33 | dan2 | does xemacs have a pangoized buffer? |
| 23:53.39 | george | if you want to put an ext2 on it, you can use mkfs -t ext2 <putDeviceHere> |
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| 23:53.50 | Kerr | pickcoder: won't be able to get a replacement drive 'till the end of the month. |
| 23:54.08 | Kerr | i wonder if it has any kind of guarantee/if i could send it back to seagate |
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| 23:54.19 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Installers buildt from the current (live) codebase every nite, as opposed to releas candidate. Youre bug may be fixed or it may be even more broken. |
| 23:54.54 | george | if you want to use the drive to create multiple volumes you can manipulate later, look into lvm (and note, that's an advanced topic... so read carefully if you're going to go there) |
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| 23:55.31 | george | hmm, there's a few different possibilities :) |
| 23:55.43 | kittonian | george: thanks that worked perfectly |
| 23:55.47 | Kerr | ugh >.> |
| 23:56.07 | Kerr | guess i'm gonna shutdown and unplug my media drive then |
| 23:56.13 | george | Kerr: how old is the drive? |
| 23:56.13 | Phoenix92x | so no other ideas? |
| 23:56.42 | george | Kerr: before you do: |
| 23:56.53 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Dropping into a shell from the installer and try to pry it to work, collect logs and possible error messages. |
| 23:56.54 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.13 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.36 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Not more then that really, remember its the etch installer not all bugs are out of it yet. Do help report on them, thanks for playing (do come again). |
| 23:57.40 | Phoenix92x | how do I drop into a shell? |
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| 23:58.03 | george | you need a shell large enough to accomodate your size and weight! |
| 23:58.07 | widrone | Phoenix92x: I think its Alt +f3 (or alt +3). Maybe 4 even. |
| 23:58.12 | Seb | george: i'm not sure what your omment about a usbkey looking like a cd was supposed to mean... |
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| 23:58.57 | george | Seb: oh, that. if you write an iso image to the key, it will have an iso filesystem on it |
| 23:58.59 | Kerr | i'm just glad i keep three drives /, /home and /home/media >.> touch wood, i've never lost much data yet. |
| 23:59.00 | widrone | Phoenix92x: The installer is on tty1, some logs on 2 and 3. I think 4 os for getting a shell. Try it out, go wild =) |
| 23:59.08 | george | hence it will look like a cd |
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| 23:59.58 | Phoenix92x | figured something out at least, the eth0 device, which is just describes as "ethernet or fast ethernet" has an impossibly long hardware address |
