| 00:00.09 | Phoenix92x | 16 pairs |
| 00:00.16 | afaik | hah ha |
| 00:00.23 | widrone | Phoenix92x: That be why your network wont dhcp you I guess. |
| 00:00.25 | afaik | I am running APPLE ITUNES |
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| 00:00.27 | afaik | on linux |
| 00:00.31 | Seb | george: i was asking how to go from an iso image to a bootable usb key |
| 00:00.44 | Seb | george: i know dd alone ain't gonna cut it |
| 00:00.47 | widrone | !beer afaik |
| 00:01.10 | marcello_ | !beer marcello_ |
| 00:01.11 | george | Seb: from what I understand CD images can use something called an eltorito image for booting |
| 00:01.11 | eeyore- | Seb: grub and install the boot block? |
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| 00:01.17 | eeyore- | Seb: that "worked for me" |
| 00:01.22 | Supaplex | how do I convince udev to give me my zip drive devvice nodes? /dev/hdd* are missing :-/ |
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| 00:01.25 | Phoenix92x | the odd part is it wont DHCP me on eth1 either |
| 00:01.32 | Seb | eeyore-: sounds interesting; can you give me a few more details ? |
| 00:01.34 | Phoenix92x | which has the correct hardware address |
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| 00:01.56 | Wyzard | Seb: El Torito is for making bootable CDs... if you already have a bootable CD and want to make a bootable flash drive, that'll be a manual procedure |
| 00:01.57 | eeyore- | Seb: well, treat the USB key just like any hard drive. make a /boot partition, put grub files there. run grub, install to the boot sector |
| 00:02.13 | Seb | Wyzard: yeah, I'm trying to get details on what this manual procedure will involve :) |
| 00:02.21 | marcello_ | Phoenix92x, any trace of your dhcp client in the dhcp logs ? |
| 00:02.26 | Seb | eeyore-: but then, what do I do with the iso ? |
| 00:02.31 | george | Seb: see immediately above :) |
| 00:02.37 | eeyore- | Seb: were you trying to make a USB key behave *exactly* the same as if you booted off cdrom? |
| 00:02.44 | Seb | eeyore-: pretty much |
| 00:02.46 | Phoenix92x | marcello: where do I check the dhcp logs? |
| 00:02.47 | george | copy the files on the iso to a filesystem on the usb thing |
| 00:02.48 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Now I cant remember wht dhcp client is on the installer. But maybe try it "by hand". |
| 00:02.51 | eeyore- | Seb: i'm afraid that's not possible, afaict |
| 00:03.03 | Phoenix92x | and I'm on something called "busybox" when I go to alt-f2 etc |
| 00:03.06 | tuv | can i add a specific dir. of the experimental section only to my sources? |
| 00:03.15 | george | and make SURE the filesystem on the usb stick is one that grub supports (so: no xfs at least) |
| 00:03.16 | eeyore- | Seb: the bios "boot from cdrom" code actually looks for cdrom (e.g., attached to PATA or SATA bus) |
| 00:03.18 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Or set all the network setting by hand just equal to what dhcp would give you, fool it. |
| 00:03.27 | Phoenix92x | widrone: trying that |
| 00:03.41 | eeyore- | Seb: and the "boot from usb" probably isn't expecting el-torito layout |
| 00:03.42 | Phoenix92x | it says "scanning the mirror" and is at 40%, this is where it stopped last time as well |
| 00:03.49 | eeyore- | Seb: so you probably have a catch-22 there |
| 00:03.51 | Seb | eeyore-: well, not directly, but i'm sure i can mount the iso and do something with it |
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| 00:04.51 | itchi | Which stuff is the best to control the cpu scalling of an Pentium 4 Centrino Duo ? |
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| 00:05.35 | eeyore- | Seb: no, even if you get past fooling the bios, you still have to deal with what's on the 'cdrom image' --- which most likely will be knoppix or livecd of some sort fully expecting to probe and find a real cdrom ... there's that, too. if you can get around that, well, let me know :-) |
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| 00:05.57 | eeyore- | Seb: unless you're willing to do everything custom, at which point, there's no reason to keep the el-torito image, is there? |
| 00:06.08 | Phoenix92x | also I don't know whether this matters or not but the led for the network card is lit up, and so is the one on the switch its hooked into |
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| 00:06.31 | itchi | I saw cpufreqd, powersaved, powertweaks. But i not know what is appropriated |
| 00:06.39 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Thats link, lower layer. |
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| 00:07.22 | itchi | The laptop without power cable runs near 1:30 while with that diabolic it runs 3:30, cause of scaling the processor |
| 00:07.22 | widrone | What will debian ever do when all the toy story names are used, its not like that is that many characthers in the movie. |
| 00:07.38 | eeyore- | Seb: the whole point of el-torito is to have a standard for bootable, largish, somewhat compatible, media. if you want to put it on flash, you're much better off unrolling the content of the bootable cd image, put it on / on flash disk, and adjust some scripts |
| 00:07.47 | itchi | s/diabolic/MS Windows/ |
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| 00:08.03 | octobre | Hello everybody, did someone try to --grow a raid5 device ? I'm trying with no result at all besides adding the new volume as a spare.. |
| 00:08.15 | ralf` | Has anyone any experience running webrick? |
| 00:08.23 | ralf` | It seems to be booting, but I can't see it. |
| 00:08.27 | eeyore- | widrone: at this rate, it'll be decades before all names are used up. i suspect we'll die from global warming / frost before that happens |
| 00:08.30 | itchi | widrone: Meaby will there come an new mov |
| 00:08.31 | action09 | hi all |
| 00:08.37 | Seb | eeyore-: ok, got it |
| 00:09.12 | ralf` | When I boot webrick and then point the browswer to localhost:3000, it hangs. When I ping localhost, it says it's never heard of localhost. |
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| 00:09.18 | Phoenix92x | also ,as a side note, does anybody know how to kill a process with stat DL? I've tried everything I can think of, even doing killall -9 (processname) as root doesnt work |
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| 00:09.50 | action09 | is there a methode to update my Sid please ? i mean is i=t good to make an update/upgrade and lok at the paquets that are upgradable and see if deps are needed to be dist-upgraded ? i'm looking for clues, or good way to maintain/upgrade a Sid tia :) |
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| 00:09.56 | ralf` | It's quite important to me just now. |
| 00:10.00 | pickcoder | bbl peeps |
| 00:10.09 | eeyore- | Phoenix92x: if it's stuck in the kernel because of a kernel bug or driver bug, no. reboot. |
| 00:10.10 | widrone | eeyore-: Dont be too sure about that, and some of them have silly names. Even moreso then sid. "Debian Green Aliens"? |
| 00:10.20 | george | action09: if you don't know that, are you sure you should be running sid?? |
| 00:10.25 | Supaplex | !lart udev |
| 00:10.29 | eeyore- | Phoenix92x: ps -eo wchan,pid,command. what's the wchan for the stuck process? |
| 00:10.36 | black_13 | am using the ndiswrapper to form my wireless card ... the only way i can keep the connetion allive is to constantly ping my access point |
| 00:10.42 | widrone | I can imagine a great advertising campaign for that thu, but it be so scary noone will dear install it. |
| 00:10.52 | itchi | action09: There is apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges |
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| 00:11.00 | antum1 | Hi, I'm having some trouble with my debian installation, after changing /etc/apt/sources.list from http://pastebin.com/820745 to use etch I did an apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and got the following error: http://pastebin.com/820745 |
| 00:11.10 | george | action09: the only sane reason to run sid is to test and fix it |
| 00:11.14 | antum1 | Woops, I mean the error was: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 has been altered. Cannot update. |
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| 00:11.38 | action09 | george yes so strange, i'm too bad to run it surely :) let me share your clues so , i ran it for 6 years now and i survive, how extraordinary is this os noob friednly.; |
| 00:12.08 | widrone | Phoenix92x: Seems like you are hitting some bugs there, doing good progress thu! |
| 00:12.22 | action09 | george softwares in other versions aren't too up to date for me it's just to play :) |
| 00:12.22 | george | action09: if you've run it for 6 years, surely you know how to update it... it's two commands |
| 00:12.28 | george | apt-get update |
| 00:12.31 | action09 | george yes |
| 00:12.34 | george | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:12.36 | george | done |
| 00:12.39 | action09 | yes i did |
| 00:12.43 | action09 | but.. |
| 00:12.50 | antum1 | is there anything I can do to troubleshoot my predicament? |
| 00:12.59 | george | if you got problems after that, do you know why they were possible? |
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| 00:13.35 | george | action09: well ok, if you're not using it for real work, that's also valid |
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| 00:14.34 | Schiz0 | How do I change which DNS server my deb box uses? My main one went down, and I can't seem to find out how to change it. |
| 00:14.39 | widrone | Really half the names on the list has been used already, what left is scaring me. Andy, Bo Peep, Hannah, Sergant and the binoculars (lenny). |
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| 00:14.52 | LordScin | Schiz0, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:14.54 | george | action09: and let's define that a little more precisely... you shouldn't care if everything on the machine dies and you have to reinstall everything from scratch |
| 00:15.00 | Schiz0 | I changed it in /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn't seem to accept the change after /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:15.02 | action09 | george some friends of me told me that i have to look at the packages that are going to be upgraded and only do an upgrade firstly and only after examining which one need dependncids to be upgraded to do a dist upgrade, i didn't excalty agree with him becaus i always be heard that on sid only do a dist-upgrade. (as u confirm) so i was searching for a methodolgy based on packets and dependencies. |
| 00:15.30 | Schiz0 | Thanks LordScin |
| 00:15.30 | action09 | george yes for the second |
| 00:15.30 | cam_0 | How do I set default umask for 1 user account to be 770? |
| 00:15.34 | LordScin | Schiz0, search nameserver xxx nameserver xxx |
| 00:15.35 | LordScin | :) |
| 00:15.40 | george | action09: well it's always good to be careful... can save you some time |
| 00:16.03 | george | one thing you can do is: |
| 00:16.04 | CaptainObvious | is there something I can run that will "see" my usb and configure mount points for it? |
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| 00:16.08 | george | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:16.28 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.32 | action09 | irch thanks |
| 00:16.46 | action09 | itchi thanks |
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| 00:17.22 | Schiz0 | That did it, much appreciated LordScin. |
| 00:17.22 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.38 | dli | azeem, daily built netinst works now |
| 00:17.47 | azeem | cool |
| 00:17.55 | action09 | george hoo ok, nice idea, really useful, i'll try thanks for your assistance |
| 00:17.56 | azeem | I thought your NIC wasn't supported by 2.6.17? |
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| 00:18.23 | LordScin | Schiz0, what? O_o say it more easly :P |
| 00:18.29 | LordScin | italian rulez :D |
| 00:18.32 | dli | azeem, I inserted a 3com |
| 00:18.35 | george | you're welcome (and please if you have not already, learn C and bash in the next 6 years so that you can -help- debian) |
| 00:18.38 | azeem | ah, rock |
| 00:19.16 | dli | azeem, this is for testing only, I have installed in via debootstrap, tons of problems |
| 00:19.44 | george | you're gaining all this experience with sid and to our thinking it's partially going to waste if you're not filing bugs and fixing packages :) |
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| 00:20.24 | cam_0 | How do I set default umask for 1 user account to be 770? |
| 00:20.42 | george | cam_0: put the umask command in their shell startup script? |
| 00:20.57 | action09 | george how can i help with poor programming skills in bash ? :/ |
| 00:21.09 | action09 | george i'm more expreinced in networks debug |
| 00:21.15 | cam_0 | george: this is for ftp stuff, this user never logs in. |
| 00:21.19 | george | action09: in the next 6 years you can gein experience |
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| 00:21.55 | george | cam_0: oh, that depends on the ftp server I guess... you could hack the code to check for that user |
| 00:21.57 | frozenflame | in which run level folder should a place a display manager init script? |
| 00:22.30 | george | frozenflame: it's placed for you when you install the package of that display manage45r |
| 00:22.50 | frozenflame | well the script was placed in init.d |
| 00:23.02 | george | yes. that's where it goes. |
| 00:23.06 | nvz | george: you are way too idealistic |
| 00:23.08 | frozenflame | but the manager is not starting |
| 00:23.21 | nvz | george: and whats with all those lines starting with - ? |
| 00:23.22 | action09 | i'm asking myself if i can safely remove all unneeded xserver-xorg-video-* .. |
| 00:23.22 | george | nvz: and your point is? |
| 00:23.39 | frozenflame | and i know it works cause i can start the service from console |
| 00:23.44 | george | nvz: don't remember the lines... |
| 00:23.55 | george | but the -s were bullets! |
| 00:24.01 | george | don't let em hit you! |
| 00:24.09 | nvz | heh |
| 00:24.12 | afra23 | I have my mp3 collection in /music/mp3 and I want to rsync it to an external drive so it will only copy new files onto the external (for backup). Yet, everytime I rsync, it copies everything over from scratch. This is the command I use: rsync -avP --no-perms /music/mp3 /external/mp3 |
| 00:25.25 | george | frozenflame: hmm. you can look in /etc/rc.d and see if there are links that point at the init script... could be that x is already started and must be stopped first... in any case, |
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| 00:25.35 | george | it should start properly next time you boot |
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| 00:25.52 | Kerr | ugh... seems the drive i need to unplug contains the boot record for this install |
| 00:25.59 | Kerr | is there a quick way to copy it over? |
| 00:26.12 | george | Kerr: you use grub? |
| 00:26.19 | Kerr | yah |
| 00:26.38 | george | oh, there should be a grub-install you could use... |
| 00:26.50 | octobre | frozenflame : did you check your /etc/rcX.d folder.... |
| 00:26.51 | george | that won't copy, but will install a new one |
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| 00:28.31 | george | the pet heads falling off thing... hmm, that could be a problem... |
| 00:29.41 | nvz | not really, if their heads fall off, I am pretty sure you dont have to worry about feeding them anymore |
| 00:29.42 | frozenflame | octobre: yeah, actually I just linked it to rc5 |
| 00:30.04 | frozenflame | octobre: and I added S99 at the beginning of the filename |
| 00:30.20 | frozenflame | brb, I'm gonna try it |
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| 00:30.59 | octobre | frozenflame : hope you checked inittab.. |
| 00:31.25 | frozenflame | octobre: inittab? where is that |
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| 00:31.44 | nvz | in /etc/ |
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| 00:32.37 | octobre | hum... your actual runlevel is in inittab... |
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| 00:33.01 | frozenflame | under which line |
| 00:33.56 | Azar | nvz: dumb question here but it eats me: when Etch will be released, and say I want to keep this box with sarge, how do I tell aptitude to retreive only packages for Sarge? the /sarge stanza in the sources.list does not work for me. |
| 00:33.56 | dli | frozenflame, the first uncommented |
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| 00:34.09 | octobre | read, frozenflame |
| 00:34.12 | frozenflame | ah, the default |
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| 00:34.33 | frozenflame | k, so should I add it to the rc2 then? |
| 00:34.34 | Ronin | Azar: why would you want to do that? sarge will only be supported for so long |
| 00:34.35 | dli | Azar, clean your sources.list, and apt-setup |
| 00:34.50 | nvz | Azar: there should not be a /sarge |
| 00:35.04 | nvz | Azar: its just sarge main ... etc |
| 00:35.07 | eggleston | hey, does anyone know a reason why i wouldn't be able to access ports over 50000? like permissions privelages and that? |
| 00:35.18 | Azar | thanks dli, Ronin, I will install Etch on a newer box. nvz: so far I use /stable in the sources list |
| 00:35.21 | stoned | hola |
| 00:35.46 | dvs | stoned: long time no see |
| 00:35.48 | nvz | protocol://server/directory dist section |
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| 00:35.51 | stoned | hmm, when spelled backwards, its like the hawaiin greeting |
| 00:35.55 | dli | Azar, I suggest you to use "stable" instead of sarge, so, it will be etch when it's time |
| 00:36.03 | stoned | dvs, I've been working and making moneys |
| 00:36.03 | frozenflame | k, got it linked to rc2 |
| 00:36.06 | Ronin | stoned: almost, thats aloha though |
| 00:36.07 | frozenflame | will be back |
| 00:36.19 | dvs | stoned: whipping your minnons into shape? |
| 00:36.28 | Azar | dli, I know, I wish to keep Sarge in this old box. Therefore aptitude update with /stable in sources gonna be a mess |
| 00:36.37 | stoned | Ronin, its only natural to tack the 'a' at the end, aloh, the h as a hanging phonic |
| 00:36.57 | WerdnaServer | hey, is there a good way to browse the packages installed on my debian system, and find all the stuff that uses up space, and get rid of it? |
| 00:37.06 | Ronin | Azar: once again i ask why, it will only be supported for x longer once etch moves to stable, just curious more then anythign else |
| 00:37.08 | dli | Azar, your choise, but I prefer stable over "old stable" |
| 00:37.31 | stoned | dvs, I've got a new team to manage now, got two new girls, very hot, yet very slow, my patience is being sorely tested |
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| 00:37.40 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:38.17 | Azar | Ronin, I kept woody six months after sarge officially came out. I intend to do the same with Sarge on this box only |
| 00:38.19 | dvs | !be a Dell barbie |
| 00:38.20 | dpkg | Aww, Dell is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 00:38.33 | Ronin | Azar: so no real reason :) |
| 00:39.03 | Azar | Ronin: reason is I sniff long before I commit |
| 00:39.28 | Azar | Ronin: I already use Etch on another box :) |
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| 00:40.19 | Azar | For the official CD installation I purchased a shiny new PC :) just waiting for official release |
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| 00:41.24 | cam_0 | How would I make a cron job that says delete all directories but the 7 newest? |
| 00:41.26 | dli | Azar, I just managed to install etch on two new boxes |
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| 00:43.03 | dli | cam_0, sounds dangerous |
| 00:44.01 | Azar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4417 < present sources.list how can it be changed to hold Sarge after Etch release? |
| 00:44.18 | eggleston | hello, i've just been told from uncle google that the browser i'm using may be the reason i am unable to change important settings on my router, can anyone comment on a browser that may allow me to do this? |
| 00:44.18 | dvs | Azar: leave it |
| 00:44.37 | dvs | oh wait |
| 00:44.40 | dvs | sorry |
| 00:44.42 | Azar | dli, I am very clumsy with original installations, I usually upgrade. With Etch will be an exciting new experience |
| 00:44.44 | newbie | I'm searching for a battery-applet for KDE. How is it called in KDE? I know something similar for XFCE |
| 00:44.46 | krazykit | eggleston: firefox, opera. |
| 00:44.52 | dvs | Azar: change "stable" to "sarge" |
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| 00:45.55 | frozenflame | thank you guys that took care of the problem |
| 00:45.55 | dvs | Azar: you can do that now |
| 00:45.55 | Azar | dvs, thanks I tried several times, and aptitude does not work with it - does not recognize the repository |
| 00:45.55 | krazykit | heh, i'm thinking of going from etch to sid. |
| 00:45.55 | Azar | ok I will try again |
| 00:45.56 | frozenflame | I linked the script to rc2 |
| 00:46.11 | eggleston | krazykit, i am using firefox atm, gives me an error no help desk can identify, the website for my modem says use internet explorer. is opera more likely to work? |
| 00:46.23 | Kerr | if i wanna boot from hdb instead of hda, (i need to unplug hda, it's dying, i sudo grub-install /dev/hdb then sudo update-grub ? |
| 00:46.27 | krazykit | eggleston: what browser? |
| 00:46.35 | krazykit | eggleston: err, router, rather |
| 00:46.48 | eggleston | krazykit, d-link dsl 302g |
| 00:46.57 | krazykit | lol, dlink. |
| 00:47.03 | krazykit | iunno, trying opera can't hurt any. |
| 00:47.13 | krazykit | konqueror is another option. |
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| 00:47.50 | eggleston | krazykit, i can't install opera :S wanna read the output? |
| 00:48.15 | eggleston | krazykit, Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package opera has no installation candidate |
| 00:48.18 | Kerr | eggleston: have you tried telnetting the router to change settings? |
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| 00:48.37 | krazykit | eggleston: uh, obviously it's not in the repos... i think there's an opera repo, or you can just install a deb from their site |
| 00:48.39 | octobre | the mdadm --grow /dev/md4 --raid-disks=4 command has no effect on my box, has anybody any clue ? *lost* |
| 00:49.09 | eggleston | Kerr, yes, but help at that level is choppy and basic at best |
| 00:49.28 | Kerr | eggleston: shows as opera9-binary when i apt-cache search opera |
| 00:49.35 | Kerr | eggleston: try that |
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| 00:50.13 | eggleston | Kerr, nah thats just showing up because you installed from a .deb right? |
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| 00:51.31 | Kerr | hmm |
| 00:51.35 | Kerr | eggleston: Maintainer: Daniel Baumann <panthera@debian-unofficial.org> |
| 00:51.43 | Kerr | eggleston: try sniffing about that website :) |
| 00:51.51 | heycam | Hi. Anyone know what package I'd need to install to get libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2? (Sun's JDK 1.3 seems to look for it.) |
| 00:51.57 | eggleston | Kerr, it's coo, it's got it coming from the opera website now. thanks |
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| 00:54.53 | Azar | dvs, it finnaly worked: I had to update two times now it seems ok , thanks :) |
| 00:55.28 | dvs | !beer Azar |
| 00:55.40 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 00:55.44 | krazykit | oh my god. |
| 00:55.55 | dvs | yes? |
| 00:56.00 | krazykit | i hate the us liquor laws :-( |
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| 00:57.57 | Azar | heycam: ? you mean an installer package? |
| 00:58.15 | heycam | Azar, yes |
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| 00:58.26 | Azar | heycam: "aptitude" for anything |
| 00:58.50 | zaphands | Hello. I would like to load the module yealink.ko before any other module. How do I do that on debian? |
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| 00:59.20 | heycam | Azar, can aptitude search inside all known packages? (i don't use it) |
| 00:59.38 | Azar | heycam: is libstdc++-libc6.1..whatever for your Debian version? |
| 00:59.44 | eeyore- | zaphands: why must it be loaded before *any* other module? |
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| 01:00.07 | eeyore- | zaphands: because, if you truly need it, it can be done. just not easy. |
| 01:00.13 | Azar | heycam: aptitude accesses all the repositories that contain packages for your version, retreives, installs them and all dependent packages |
| 01:00.32 | zaphands | eeyore-: I meant before any other USB HID module. |
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| 01:00.37 | heycam | Azar, i'm not sure i understand what you mean. my version? unstable? |
| 01:00.55 | Azar | heycam: if the package you want to install is not found on your version, you can use backports with aptitude |
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| 01:01.36 | Azar | heycam: versions: stable/testing/unstable. each has its own repository |
| 01:01.41 | heycam | right |
| 01:01.42 | zaphands | eeyore-: I used to use gentoo... how hard can it be on debian? |
| 01:01.42 | eeyore- | zaphands: have you run "make-kpkg" before? |
| 01:01.47 | cam_0 | I need to delete all directories but the 7 newest... anyone know how to do this with command line? |
| 01:02.07 | zaphands | eeyore-: I think so, but it was out of a howto. I wasn't aware of what I did. |
| 01:02.23 | Azar | heycam: if that package does not exist yet in Debian repositories, hmm then I dunno you manually retreive it and install according with its README |
| 01:02.27 | copelco | anyone familiar with pump? i'm trying to get dhcp working on my machine, but it always fails with "Operation failed." after running pump -i eth0, syslogd debug only shows "pumpd[700]: PUMP: sending discover" and that's it. |
| 01:02.33 | eeyore- | zaphands: you basically want to build your own ramdisk with your own module that will be inserted at boot time, before the startup scripts are called. |
| 01:03.06 | eeyore- | zaphands: besides, for gentoo, there really isn't a way for this either. /etc/modules.autoload/kernel-2.6 is still loaded after coldplug/hotplug/udev |
| 01:03.06 | heycam | i searched for libstdc++ on for the libstdc++ packages in stable, and there was one called libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 which contained /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 01:03.13 | Kerr | if i wanna boot from hdb instead of hda, (i need to unplug hda which has the boot record as it's dying) do i sudo grub-install /dev/hdb then sudo update-grub ? |
| 01:03.15 | zaphands | eeyore-: yuck! Are you sure there Isn't a .conf to edit? |
| 01:03.24 | Azar | heycam: like say you "wget" it from the website, but is on your own to install it upon the documentation provided and work dependencies for it |
| 01:03.51 | eeyore- | zaphands: you can't do this for gentoo either :-) well, you did give some preconditions. btw, i still don't understand why it must be before HID devices |
| 01:03.52 | heycam | i couldn't find a package that had the right version |
| 01:04.03 | eeyore- | zaphands: does the module just grab devices arbitrarily or something? |
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| 01:04.10 | heycam | i guess building a libstdc++ isn't my idea of a fun morning ;) |
| 01:04.38 | Azar | heycam: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages << if you use sarge/stable, then look on that side |
| 01:04.59 | zaphands | eeyore-: HID USB catches my usb voip phone before yealink. according to the kernel docs. |
| 01:05.10 | Azar | heycam: if you find what you need, just use "aptitude install "package" |
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| 01:05.59 | zaphands | eeyore-: is it possible to test this manually before I make changes? |
| 01:06.00 | eeyore- | zaphands: i see ... the best way for that (cross-distribution) is to fix the USB HID driver to not grab specific device based on the id |
| 01:06.12 | aRJAy | eeyore-: howdy |
| 01:06.13 | heycam | Azar, right, i did search in there, but found no package with just the right version of libstdc++ that i need |
| 01:06.16 | eeyore- | hey arjay |
| 01:06.27 | aRJAy | eeyore-: still no go on the prob.. |
| 01:06.30 | tuv | ok.. so i ran compiz on my nvidia and it ran fine, at first at least. now i see too problems: 1. every new window is completely black inside. sometimes they come to their conscious after a while. 2. no xv. mplayer won't play a thing |
| 01:06.33 | eeyore- | zaphands: you might wanna ask around for how to use make-kpkg to make custom ramdisk with specific list of modules |
| 01:06.34 | Azar | heycam: what distro are you using? |
| 01:06.40 | heycam | unstable |
| 01:06.45 | eeyore- | zaphands: it's been a while since i use debian (<- i'm on gentoo) |
| 01:06.50 | Azar | heycam: the sky is the limit then |
| 01:06.59 | zaphands | eeyore-: ok. thanks! |
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| 01:07.15 | copelco | does anyone use pump for DHCP? |
| 01:07.25 | heycam | Azar, just need to find the package though. :) seems to be quite old... |
| 01:07.30 | aRJAy | eeyore-, anyone: got an idea where I might look to find why multiple instances of mysql are showing up?? |
| 01:07.31 | Azar | heycam: I forgot how to, but there is a way aptitude can look for packages |
| 01:07.48 | widrone | !anyone |
| 01:07.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:08.03 | aRJAy | It's really quite bAzar! |
| 01:08.12 | eeyore- | aRJAy: there's only one. rest of them are just threads |
| 01:08.12 | aRJAy | widrone: *G* thanks :) |
| 01:08.21 | aRJAy | eeyore-: ah |
| 01:08.21 | aRJAy | ? |
| 01:08.42 | eeyore- | aRJAy: nevermind, show me what you mean by "multiple instances"? |
| 01:08.48 | heycam | Azar, aha found it! http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/oldlibs/libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 |
| 01:08.50 | widrone | aRJAy: Not for you really, but it fit kind of quirky I see now. |
| 01:08.59 | aRJAy | http://pastebin.ca/244450 |
| 01:09.07 | aRJAy | widrone :) |
| 01:09.09 | heycam | (i hadn't heard of "oldstable" before) |
| 01:09.21 | zaphands | eeyore-: Thanks. I guess it's just too much work. Is it possible to patch the yealink.ko to work? How is the locking of the device work? |
| 01:09.31 | widrone | copelco: So you cant get a reply from your dhcp I understand? |
| 01:10.09 | aRJAy | oldstable came from Windows 3.1. Prior to that, the old way was a stable way of doing things. |
| 01:10.10 | magyar | damn kde is slow, i am copying a disk over to another while trying to do some stuff, next to impossible |
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| 01:10.24 | eeyore- | zaphands: modify the usb hid if anything :-) |
| 01:10.25 | Azar | heycam: I just remember, next time look for a package with: "apt-cache search <packagename>" |
| 01:10.41 | eeyore- | aRJAy: show me "ps axfuw | grep mysqld" output |
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| 01:10.53 | zaphands | eeyore-: thanks! |
| 01:10.54 | Azar | heycam: the oldstable is the one before Sarge, Woody |
| 01:10.57 | zaphands | good night. |
| 01:11.00 | eeyore- | zaphands: building ramdisk is easy |
| 01:11.03 | heycam | Azar, yes i did that, but the package name for the actual libstdc++ .so file doesn't correspond nicely to a package name, so it's not to easy to search with that |
| 01:11.07 | eeyore- | zaphands: fixing usb hid = hard |
| 01:11.16 | Kerr | if i wanna boot from hdb instead of hda, (i need to unplug hda which has the boot record as it's dying) do i sudo grub-install /dev/hdb then sudo update-grub ? I've not tried this before, and don't want to screw up. |
| 01:11.18 | eeyore- | zaphands: it's just editing a file and running make-kpkg ... |
| 01:11.28 | dewaard | guys, quick question: I tried to remove the mysql module for proftpd, but that removed proftpd as well. so I reinstalled it, but it doesn't work anymore. so our ftp is down. the proftpd log file says: Failed binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21: Address already in use, Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly. |
| 01:11.36 | heycam | Azar, i guess my problem was that the package contents search on packages.debian.org didn't come up with any results (even if i did a search just for "libstdc"!) |
| 01:11.38 | aRJAy | eeyore-: http://pastebin.ca/244665 |
| 01:11.39 | copelco | widrone, i'm not sure it's even getting that far. i have /etc/network/interfaces set to use dhcp, but running pump -i eth0 fails with "Operation failed" -- no useful error messages |
| 01:11.41 | widrone | copelco: You have access to the logs of the dhcp server? And is all the cables plugged in? |
| 01:11.43 | Azar | heycam: I guess it makes sense, apt will only look for packages for the distro you are using |
| 01:11.47 | dewaard | I tried both standalone and initd as a server type, but neither worked |
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| 01:11.53 | heycam | Azar, yes that too |
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| 01:12.04 | heycam | well my old 1.3 javac is working now, thanks |
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| 01:12.10 | Azar | heycam: it is kind of hard to use deprecated packages on a higher distro |
| 01:12.28 | eeyore- | aRJAy: you see the nice 'forest view' now? those aren't "multiple instances", just threads off of one process |
| 01:12.33 | eggleston | does anyone know how i can find out my local address? as in what my router is calling my computer? |
| 01:12.37 | Azar | it looks like what you need has been obsoleted with the fading woody |
| 01:12.42 | aRJAy | eeyore-: meaning..... ? |
| 01:12.47 | widrone | octobre: Maybe install a new dhcp client to weed that out maybe, if youre sure the server is se up and availible. |
| 01:12.55 | zaphands | eeyore-: Thanks, I will try tomorrow. |
| 01:12.59 | eeyore- | aRJAy: ok, each connection will probably spawn a new one |
| 01:13.01 | copelco | widrone, my dhcp server is a wrt54g, i'm not sure if it has logging capabilities |
| 01:13.09 | eeyore- | aRJAy: wait, maybe not. let me check |
| 01:13.10 | dewaard | anyone? our ftp is down and that is pretty nasty |
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| 01:13.15 | aRJAy | k |
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| 01:13.29 | widrone | copelco: Stock firmware or flashed for your enjoyment? |
| 01:13.31 | Azar | yeah, oh well I wish to have my old 1992 dos box alive too, at least for the games |
| 01:13.39 | copelco | widrone, flashed |
| 01:13.56 | aRJAy | eeyore-: there's no application that's actually using it, btw... |
| 01:14.23 | eeyore- | aRJAy: how many clients are connected to the server? |
| 01:14.24 | widrone | copelco: openwrt has logread, but youre talking in one words so Im guessing you ot that :) |
| 01:14.33 | george | dewaard: when you read the message you got from the log or from trying to start the ftpd, what did you do then? |
| 01:14.36 | eeyore- | aRJAy: how many applications *were* connected to the server? |
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| 01:14.40 | aRJAy | eeyore-: one that I know of.. |
| 01:14.48 | Azar | dewaard: I would guess you would need somehow to stop/start the process... ? |
| 01:15.13 | widrone | copelco: Im guessing dd-wrt got something similar if you got that. |
| 01:15.13 | copelco | widrone, it's using HyperWRT, does that have logread? |
| 01:15.16 | Kassah | is there a 'debian way' to install a second apache server on a machine? (I'm planning to use it for a control panel, so I don't want the customers apache the same as the one that can run a limited set of setuid scripts) |
| 01:15.26 | aRJAy | eeyore-: I've tried to establish an instance of Joomla and SugarCRM... both of those installs failed stating that mysql was 'not available'.. phpmyadmin was/is working perfectly though |
| 01:15.27 | dewaard | george: I tried to change the ServerType config parameter into standalone and because that didn't work I tried "initd" as well |
| 01:15.31 | unfo | hi all, how can I do an apt-cache search thru the irc bot? |
| 01:15.43 | aRJAy | strange ey? |
| 01:15.44 | unfo | is it even possible? |
| 01:15.49 | george | inetd likely, yes? |
| 01:15.54 | dewaard | Azar: well, the strange thing is that their doesn't seem to be a process. ps aux | grep ftp gives an empty result |
| 01:16.06 | george | so what did the message say about the address? |
| 01:16.09 | pickcoder | unfo: packages.debian.org? |
| 01:16.11 | widrone | copelco: No idea, try it out. |
| 01:16.20 | dewaard | george: that is is already in use |
| 01:16.23 | Azar | dewaard: I would assume the way you removed it, caused a ghost hang.. |
| 01:16.36 | mick_home | hey everyone, could someone help me with troubleshooting my box? I have a 1.3 Ghz / 500 Mb RAM / 250 gig drive box (x86) and I've had issues trying to install debian. I have tried: the sarge iso-> dies on initrd.gz loading, the testing cd works fine till it tries to get the time, win95 cd doesn't actually boot, the BeOS 5 cd just doesn't get passed the "monitor icon" when it boots (the next... |
| 01:16.38 | mick_home | ...icon is the hdd icon)... i've tried a few CDs to see where the problem could be |
| 01:16.44 | george | ok, if it's already in use, maybe you could determine what it is that is using it |
| 01:16.46 | unfo | it'd be cool if it could be done from irc. e.g. !tell unfo about apt-cache search mac bonjour |
| 01:16.47 | dewaard | Azar: ok, possibly. so how do I fix that? |
| 01:17.02 | copelco | widrone, logread appears to be in busybox, but running it says can't find circular buffer |
| 01:17.27 | Kassah | I'd even settle for making an apache use a seperate config |
| 01:17.28 | dewaard | netstat | grep ftp says tcp 0 0 ourhostname:ftp nagios.provider.nl:33359 TIME_WAIT |
| 01:17.40 | Azar | dewaard: I never used a ftp on my Debian box, but I assume that this could be the problem because I experienced stuff like that with similar moves: remove a running program then try to reinstall it hangs... |
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| 01:17.56 | widrone | copelco: Ok, you have the possibility to replace pump then? If that works then youre all set, its not a solution really. But its a start. |
| 01:17.58 | eeyore- | aRJAy: could have been how they were written. i would just restart mysql server and monitor the behaviour |
| 01:18.13 | aRJAy | eeyore-: did that.. |
| 01:18.18 | dewaard | but how do I find a process like this if it isn't in ps aux? |
| 01:18.19 | eeyore- | aRJAy: i'm using my own php code and i make persistent connection so i don't see your behaviour. not sure. |
| 01:18.20 | george | dewaard: maybe looking at the process listing for ftp servers... |
| 01:18.30 | aRJAy | eeyore-: what's the syntax for restarting mysql again? |
| 01:18.35 | Azar | dewaard: look on the README or any documentation for your ftp program, see the shutdown/startup procedure |
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| 01:18.42 | eeyore- | aRJAy: when you "stop" mysql server (/etc/init.d/mysql stop), did the mysqld processes go away? |
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| 01:19.22 | pickcoder | unfo: try find |
| 01:19.25 | aRJAy | eeyore-: we did 'restart' instead of stop... I will try 'stop' now though |
| 01:19.27 | copelco | widrone, sure, i can replace pump. what should i replace it with? |
| 01:19.38 | george | dhcpcd? |
| 01:19.41 | eeyore- | aRJAy: when you did the ps axfuw <- the "f" = forest view, you saw that those mysqld all share the same parent process id, so it's not like mysql server were restarted multiple times, so to speak |
| 01:19.53 | george | dhcp-client? |
| 01:19.57 | dewaard | george: where do you mean, exactly? |
| 01:20.02 | aRJAy | eeyore-: did 'stop' then 'ps axfuw | grep mysqld' and nothing comes up.. that's a good sign :) |
| 01:20.04 | widrone | george: I can never spell that, much less pronounce it. |
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| 01:20.33 | eeyore- | aRJAy: yeah, those were probably a result of something done in your client code. who knows. maybe they don't use persistent connection or something |
| 01:20.36 | aRJAy | hey itchi |
| 01:20.42 | eeyore- | aRJAy: do they use mysql_connect or mysql_pconnect? |
| 01:20.50 | dewaard | Azar: I'd love to read some README's but atm it is pretty tense since the ftp is actually down. I'd like to fix first, ask questions later |
| 01:21.04 | george | dewaard: where a (detailed) list of processes that show name of executable and id number of proces |
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| 01:21.23 | george | is available (maybe man ps will help) |
| 01:21.24 | widrone | george: Aye, one of them words that make me feel all wrong inside. ;) |
| 01:21.25 | dewaard | george: and where or how can I find that list? |
| 01:21.34 | aRJAy | eeyore-: I just did a 'start' and the same amount of instances come up.. |
| 01:21.43 | dewaard | george: you don't mean ps aux? |
| 01:21.46 | george | (maybe man ps will help) |
| 01:21.49 | aRJAy | eeyore-: I don't think that 'they' have anything to do with it oddly.. |
| 01:21.52 | george | I don't???!?!?! |
| 01:21.55 | george | yes I do! |
| 01:22.07 | dewaard | george: hehe, ok :) |
| 01:22.22 | dewaard | george: I've been trying ps aux, but nothing there |
| 01:22.59 | widrone | copelco: I got dhcp3-client myself, it just came along when I installed last time. Its probably ok. |
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| 01:23.24 | george | nothing resembling an ftp server that is? |
| 01:23.30 | widrone | copelco: You never even told what you were running btw. |
| 01:23.38 | unfo | pickcoder, when I do /msg dpkg find last fm, it says: Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'last fm' returned no results. |
| 01:23.42 | eeyore- | aRJAy: check your my.cnf file and see if you have any keyword with "thread" in it. "grep -i thread /etc/mysql/* |
| 01:23.58 | george | hmm, I guess the process could be gone and the netstat just shows that one connection waiting to die |
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| 01:24.06 | unfo | pickcoder, it seems to search Contents.gz fine, but not descriptions/ |
| 01:24.07 | unfo | . |
| 01:24.13 | aRJAy | eeyore-: /etc/mysql/my.cnf:thread_stack = 128K |
| 01:24.24 | george | see if netstat -a shows anything listening on port 21 |
| 01:24.24 | dewaard | Azar: so what is your exact experience with these ghost processes,, and how do you get rid of them? |
| 01:24.26 | copelco | widrone, debian on a small embedded arm machine. i'll apt-get dhcp3-client. |
| 01:24.30 | dewaard | ok |
| 01:24.32 | pickcoder | unfo: oh well. then I guess an interface for packages.debian.org would be useful |
| 01:24.41 | unfo | pickcoder, yes. thanks. |
| 01:24.44 | eeyore- | aRJAy: it's been a while since i updated my debian :-) let me see ... |
| 01:24.57 | widrone | copelco: Indeed me too. How small is yours? :) |
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| 01:25.06 | eeyore- | updating to latest sid mysql-server :-) let's see how many threads they start up |
| 01:25.19 | pickcoder | pickcoder: maybe one day I'll have free time to write a bot to do that. <g> |
| 01:25.20 | eeyore- | aRJAy: so, once again, why are you worried about this? |
| 01:25.25 | pickcoder | gah |
| 01:25.31 | eeyore- | aRJAy: do you think it's odd, or something? |
| 01:25.32 | pickcoder | you know it's late when you talk to yourself |
| 01:25.49 | copelco | widrone, well.. my sd card isn't so small, it's 512MB. i'm using the TS-7400 (embeddedarm.com). |
| 01:25.55 | george | dewaard: (maybe you'd find that the one connection that used to be there is gone now; not sure tho and not sure if that would affect your ability to start the server |
| 01:25.57 | george | ) |
| 01:25.59 | dewaard | george: tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN |
| 01:26.02 | unfo | pickcoder, i could file a bug and X-Debbugs-CC you if you like. |
| 01:26.10 | george | so there is something listening |
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| 01:26.12 | unfo | well, a wishlist. |
| 01:26.36 | aRJAy | eeyore-: well... I'm not sure as to ''why" I've been unable to install either Joomla or SugarCRM *which are the only two packages I've tried to install* successfully. |
| 01:26.42 | widrone | copelco: Ah one of those yes. |
| 01:26.43 | george | there must be a process holding/representing the particular instance of an ftp server listening on that port |
| 01:26.44 | loguan | cannot connect to my wlan. when i exec 'ifup eth0', i get: "255.255.255. : hostname lookup failure". what could be the problem? |
| 01:26.56 | aRJAy | eeyore-: these 'instances' may be part of the reason for it's failure.. |
| 01:27.10 | eeyore- | aRJAy: no. they're just threads, as far as i can tell ... |
| 01:27.10 | copelco | widrone, what about you? |
| 01:27.25 | widrone | copelco: nslu2, the ol slug. |
| 01:27.26 | pickcoder | unfo: nah.. I just pull up the packages web site or I hop in a shell and use apt-cache. |
| 01:27.27 | dewaard | george: true. how can I find out which process? I've tried ps aux | grep ftp a lot of times, but also reading the whole ps aux output |
| 01:27.30 | george | loguan: config problem, likely... see /etc/network/interfaces and the ref manual is man 5 interfaces |
| 01:27.32 | eeyore- | aRJAy: wouldn't worry about them. look elsewhere. read the scripts for 'joomla' and 'sugarcrm', see what they do |
| 01:27.44 | unfo | loguan: Did it work before? Also, did you try rebooting, or at least removing and reinserting the card? Also, does the problem happen even when you boot into another OS, e.g. a Linux liveCD? |
| 01:27.55 | unfo | oops ignore what I said |
| 01:27.58 | george | dewaard: try ps aux | less |
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| 01:28.13 | aRJAy | eeyore-: well... it just doesn't make sense to me really.. why the heck I'm able to use phpmyadmin, create databases, etc... but I cannot get Joomla or SugarCRM to install because they don't find mysql to be available. |
| 01:28.18 | pickcoder | george: what is the socket status of the port in question? |
| 01:28.18 | unfo | pickcoder, it'd be good for advising newbies. |
| 01:28.26 | copelco | widrone, what are you running nusl2 on? |
| 01:28.31 | eeyore- | aRJAy: told you, for the reason, read the scripts :-) |
| 01:28.43 | eeyore- | aRJAy: am i gonna have to install sugarcrm to answer the question for you? :-p |
| 01:28.44 | loguan | george: i have gone thro /etc/newtowrk/interfaces. it has the line: netmask 255.255.255. |
| 01:28.51 | eeyore- | bbl, dinner time |
| 01:28.53 | pickcoder | george: netstat -ap | less |
| 01:29.07 | magyar | does SATA support DMA on SID? |
| 01:29.07 | aRJAy | eeyore-: cheers.... will speak later.. got work to go to here.. |
| 01:29.08 | copelco | widrone, nevermind (: |
| 01:29.09 | dewaard | george: nothing except maybe nagios 18397 0.0 0.0 2748 1220 ? Ss Nov09 0:00 nrpe -c /etc/nrpe.cfg -d |
| 01:29.10 | eeyore- | (ps: xgl kicks ass) |
| 01:29.15 | aRJAy | eeyore-: thanks again. |
| 01:29.18 | loguan | unfo: it had worked before. it failed after i purge some network packages. |
| 01:29.19 | aRJAy | -=out=- |
| 01:29.21 | widrone | copelco: etch :) |
| 01:29.35 | george | loguan: bad netmask line. needs something like netmask 111.22.33.44 |
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| 01:29.49 | pickcoder | s/george/dewaard |
| 01:29.50 | george | when you have netmask 111.22.33. |
| 01:29.56 | pickcoder | I'm batting quite low tonight |
| 01:30.01 | Phated | loguan: Probably insert a 0 after the last 255. |
| 01:30.13 | dewaard | hmm, netstat | grep ftp returns tcp 0 0 s366:ftp 198.87.39.216.rev:42281 TIME_WAIT now |
| 01:30.13 | george | pickcoder: one thing we know is something is listening on it |
| 01:30.27 | pickcoder | dewaard: netstat -ap | less |
| 01:30.31 | loguan | george: this line is auto put in during installation. |
| 01:30.39 | dewaard | pickcoder: thanks, trying that now |
| 01:30.49 | loguan | unfo: it works with MS which i am using right now. |
| 01:30.54 | george | loguan: so you may have told it 255.255.255. during same install |
| 01:31.09 | pickcoder | TIME_WAIT means something did not close the socket properly before exiting |
| 01:31.13 | george | honest mistake... just fix and try :) |
| 01:31.15 | copelco | widrone, cool -- sweet apt is removing pump for me |
| 01:31.20 | pickcoder | you are going to have to wait until the port clears |
| 01:31.23 | unfo | loguan, what were the packages you purged? (check /var/log/dpkg*) |
| 01:31.26 | pickcoder | if you were running Windoze, you'd have to reboot |
| 01:31.27 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 01:31.53 | eeyore- | dewaard: it will go away soon (TIME_WAIT and FIN_WAIT) |
| 01:31.57 | george | we already know that windows isn't a good os choice if you want to run a server... |
| 01:32.04 | dewaard | hmm, tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN 2550/inetd |
| 01:32.14 | george | inetd |
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| 01:32.22 | george | so inetd is holding the port open |
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| 01:32.38 | eeyore- | george: that "holding the port open" is by design. why else is it "inetd"? |
| 01:32.47 | loguan_ | line was reset. |
| 01:32.56 | dewaard | ok, how do I restart init.d? usually I would do /etc/init.d/init.d restart or something |
| 01:33.00 | george | eeyore-: well he's having problems. |
| 01:33.04 | pickcoder | init.d != inetd |
| 01:33.14 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.32 | george | yeah, init.d is a directory, inetd is a soopersurfer or something :) |
| 01:33.36 | copelco | widrone, so running dhcp3-client "receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down" |
| 01:33.40 | dewaard | ok, thanks |
| 01:33.44 | eeyore- | oic |
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| 01:34.10 | eeyore- | dewaard: you have inetd configured to listen on port 21 *and* also try to run proftpd? well, no. this is a no-good situation :-) pick one, or the other, not both |
| 01:34.21 | george | eeyore-: he probably fooled around under the hood and is trying to dig himself out so things start working again |
| 01:34.40 | dewaard | eeyore-: well, inetd is doing it again: tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN 8258/inetd |
| 01:34.45 | dewaard | how can I get it not to? |
| 01:34.55 | eeyore- | dewaard: edit /etc/inetd.conf, comment out the "ftp" line, /etc/init.d/inetd restart; /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 01:34.56 | dewaard | *I* didn't configure it that way, BTW |
| 01:35.11 | george | inetd.conf |
| 01:35.14 | pickcoder | ftp is disabled by default |
| 01:35.19 | pickcoder | so someone enabled it |
| 01:35.22 | widrone | copelco: So it wasent pump that did it, you ruled that out. |
| 01:35.24 | eeyore- | pickcoder: well, not here apparently :-) |
| 01:35.24 | george | yes, or something |
| 01:35.35 | george | like a separate package |
| 01:35.47 | dewaard | yay, it seems to work again! |
| 01:35.49 | dewaard | thanks! |
| 01:35.55 | george | welcome |
| 01:36.03 | unfo | pickcoder, i just realized, this works, !dpkg find last.fm |
| 01:36.03 | unfo | this doesn't: !dpkg find last fm |
| 01:36.05 | george | except I didn't do much :) |
| 01:36.19 | unfo | so all it was is that it doesn't OR together all words typed like apt-cache does. |
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| 01:36.22 | copelco | widrone, yeah guess so. for dhcp, do i only need to edit the interfaces file? |
| 01:36.28 | george | except say "think about this" and "look at that" |
| 01:36.42 | loguan__ | cannot connect to my wlan. when i exec 'ifup eth0', i get: "255.255.255. : hostname lookup failure". what could be the problem? i could connect with XP. |
| 01:37.10 | unfo | loguan__, 255.255.255. is an invalid IP address. probably a configfile problem. |
| 01:37.11 | pickcoder | unfo: there is also a limit on the search results |
| 01:37.13 | george | loguan__: not learning things you have been directly told I see :) |
| 01:37.50 | george | you didn't even have to think about anything... you were given solutions to try |
| 01:37.54 | unfo | george++ |
| 01:38.10 | eeyore- | dewaard: put up a big sign, "Das machine is nicht fur der fingerpoken und mittengrabben. Is easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und popencorken mit spitzen sparken." |
| 01:38.24 | loguan__ | that value is put in by system installation. i am not using a static addr, i am using dhcp and dhclient. |
| 01:38.52 | george | probably you should remove or comment out that line in that case |
| 01:38.54 | unfo | Just sit by and watch the blinkenlights. |
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| 01:39.05 | eeyore- | i love the blinkenlights |
| 01:39.07 | george | blinkenlightzen |
| 01:39.26 | eeyore- | relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights |
| 01:39.28 | george | probably you should remove or comment out that line in that case |
| 01:39.37 | dewaard | eeyore-: hehe :) |
| 01:39.40 | loguan | that is a netmask. it is a valid value for a netmask. |
| 01:39.49 | widrone | copelco: Could you try running the dhcp script in /etc/init.d/dhcp or something just to see what it does. |
| 01:39.51 | george | no, it's not |
| 01:39.53 | unfo | loguan: i disagree |
| 01:40.05 | george | 255.255.255.0 is |
| 01:40.13 | dewaard | eeyore-: luckily, my German is just good enough to understand that line :) |
| 01:40.32 | dewaard | eeyore-: beautiful language, especially for warnungs and verboten ;) |
| 01:40.34 | loguan | unfo: the 0 is redundant. |
| 01:40.39 | eeyore- | i just know somebody somewhere has written a script to blink the led's on a switch in some soothing patterns, on purpose ... |
| 01:40.40 | george | but we don't know if that's the right value for that net, and it would be best to know and use it |
| 01:40.48 | unfo | loguan: please cite your source |
| 01:41.03 | loguan | are you guys as host to a wlan? |
| 01:41.06 | copelco | widrone, it didn't install a init.d script. |
| 01:41.21 | kozy | hey people, I have some trouble configuring my new intel 5000p server (blackford) The sata controller and the network cards are not supported by Sarge. I've used this Japanese backports cd. It does not support RAID and LVM which isnt very nice but I'm able to overcome this. However, Etch installs Very nicely and supports everything and, taking into account that Sarge was released June 2005, will it be stable enough for production, will it be w |
| 01:41.27 | eeyore- | i'd like to see the led's on, say, 48-port switch blink in tune to some music |
| 01:41.38 | pickcoder | eeyore-: that's not hard to do |
| 01:41.48 | unfo | loguan: if you annoy the people who are helping you, they will stop helping you. |
| 01:41.49 | george | loguan: but you have to ask yourself "redundant to what process?" and you might find that the thing that reads /etc/network/interfaces does not consider 255.255.255. to be a valid netmask |
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| 01:41.57 | widrone | copelco: Ok, it may be doing it another place. No problem, I was just looking at some old info. |
| 01:42.24 | eeyore- | pickcoder: you have to sync the xmit activity on various different ports though :-) let's see, that's ... 12 4-port card? assume 4 cards per machine, that's three computers? |
| 01:42.42 | loguan | unfo: search for a doc using this string: Debian_Internet_Server-5.html |
| 01:42.57 | loguan | 255.255.255. is specified there. |
| 01:43.06 | pickcoder | eeyore-: who said anything about network adapters? |
| 01:43.19 | eeyore- | pickcoder: well that would be cheating :-) |
| 01:43.23 | george | loguan: that's nice :) now put the 0 at the end and see if it works :) |
| 01:43.26 | loguan | you guys are of no help, just a pita. |
| 01:43.44 | unfo | loguan, if you are rude, you will be ignored or kicked. |
| 01:43.53 | copelco | widrone, no problem. i'm just not sure what it means by "network down". |
| 01:44.07 | loguan | go fuck your own mother. bye. |
| 01:44.09 | eeyore- | loguan: hey, leave us alone. (ps: did you once mention chipset / driver you use?) |
| 01:44.11 | pickcoder | loguan: the interfaces file _requires_ a dotted quad IP |
| 01:44.17 | pickcoder | s/ip/address |
| 01:44.18 | [corn] | yo |
| 01:44.36 | eeyore- | yeah well, see? failed to mention chipset / driver and expect magic ... brother |
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| 01:44.54 | eeyore- | probably some weird shit run under ndiswrapper |
| 01:44.58 | george | I think we had a troll there :) |
| 01:44.58 | unfo | i wonder if we have a policy of kicking people who troll. loguan could've been gone sooner if so. |
| 01:45.21 | Phated | We do. |
| 01:45.40 | eeyore- | unfo: count yourselves lucky that i *rarely* op myself ... |
| 01:45.45 | Ugly_Duck | whats its called when you boot off a boot cd and try repiar you system.. |
| 01:45.52 | george | that was just some guy who wouldn't listen when the solution was handed to him |
| 01:45.54 | eeyore- | or put another way, when i *do* op myself, run away! |
| 01:45.56 | Phated | Meh, he had a netmask issue and refused to accept that what EVERYONE was suggesting would have worked. Moron. |
| 01:46.11 | pickcoder | Ugly_Duck: I call it a bad night at the office |
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| 01:46.15 | copelco | widrone, i'm not sure it's even getting out: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 19 -- send_packet: Network is down |
| 01:46.19 | george | note to self: run toward eeyore when he ops himself... |
| 01:46.36 | Ugly_Duck | pickcoder: its some thing where you make your system the current root, just cant remember the command |
| 01:46.41 | eeyore- | copelco: "network is down"? |
| 01:46.55 | pickcoder | copelco: is there a "network" parameter set in the interfaces file? |
| 01:46.56 | eeyore- | copelco: i'd think that's obvious :-) is the network down? |
| 01:47.04 | Ugly_Duck | pickcoder: you can then run lilo etc |
| 01:47.07 | pickcoder | sounds like the packets are not finding a route |
| 01:47.21 | Ugly_Duck | chrot |
| 01:47.22 | eeyore- | pickcoder: route ? 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 01:47.23 | Ugly_Duck | chroot |
| 01:47.35 | eeyore- | pickcoder: it's already figured on "eth0" |
| 01:47.37 | george | route rot! |
| 01:48.06 | eeyore- | my guess, cable not plugged in :-) "mii-tool"? or ethtool |
| 01:48.17 | george | eeyore-: you know if what that guy was saying has any truth? |
| 01:48.23 | eeyore- | george: who? |
| 01:48.26 | copelco | eeyore-, pickcoder, widrone, "auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 01:48.27 | george | umm |
| 01:48.33 | widrone | copelco: You got any cruft in routing tables or anything being set somewhere else at all? |
| 01:48.47 | george | loguan I guess |
| 01:48.54 | eeyore- | copelco: is there link at all between eth0 and your switch/hub/whatever? |
| 01:49.04 | eeyore- | copelco: please run "mii-tool" :-) |
| 01:49.13 | copelco | widrone, there's nothing listed with route |
| 01:49.16 | widrone | If you forgot to plug cables in I am comming for you! =) |
| 01:49.37 | eeyore- | widrone: maybe not tight enough to click ... could happen. maybe using crossover cable? |
| 01:49.44 | widrone | copelco: mii-tool yes, forgot about that. Nice tool that is. |
| 01:49.55 | copelco | eeyore-, widrone, "SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported, no MII interfaces found" |
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| 01:50.02 | eeyore- | copelco: ok, ethtool then? |
| 01:50.30 | copelco | eeyore-, don't have it. i can apt-get |
| 01:50.30 | unfo | I wonder why ifconfig eth0 doesn't warn you if there's no link. |
| 01:50.33 | kozy | hey grls/guys, can you say anything about Etch going stable? Some rumours maybe? (I was thinking, if it takes about 1,5 yrs till the next stable release, it'll be about time :) |
| 01:50.58 | unfo | kozy, what features are you waiting for? |
| 01:51.06 | unfo | what do you wish Debian had but doesn't? |
| 01:51.29 | Dewi | kozy: early december |
| 01:51.31 | Ronin | kozy: decemberish |
| 01:51.37 | widrone | unfo: It uses the mii on the network card for that no? (I could be wery wrong thu) And that is not implemented yet it seems. |
| 01:51.37 | unfo | in fact, all: what do you wish for for Debian? (note: I am not a Debian Developer) |
| 01:51.48 | george | kozy: can I say anything about etch going stable? yes,,, the plan is to release etch soon |
| 01:51.49 | kozy | well, id'like some support dor my hardware and Etch does it nicely |
| 01:51.50 | copelco | eeyore-, widrone, i can ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x, set up my routing table, and it works fine. not sure if that gives you more information. |
| 01:51.56 | unfo | widrone, i wish it were implemented. |
| 01:52.01 | Ronin | kozy: then run etch |
| 01:52.09 | eeyore- | copelco: yeah, it does :-) |
| 01:52.10 | george | kozy: hardware is generally supported by kernel |
| 01:52.15 | unfo | !tell kozy about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 01:52.16 | eeyore- | copelco: no, wait ... wait |
| 01:52.19 | Ronin | or a, never mind |
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| 01:52.26 | Dewi | I've decided that debian needs a benevolent dictator. Who votes for me? |
| 01:52.27 | eeyore- | copelco: wait.... lsmod | grep eth1394 |
| 01:52.36 | kozy | for production? is it worth the bet? |
| 01:52.41 | unfo | kozy, that will give you more hardware support. |
| 01:52.48 | widrone | eeyore-: I think you won it! |
| 01:52.49 | Dewi | kozy: nah just wait a couple more weeks |
| 01:52.54 | copelco | eeyore-, nothing |
| 01:53.03 | unfo | kozy, what hardware do you need support for? |
| 01:53.16 | george | Dewi: vote? dictator? hmm, I think that's an oxymoron :) |
| 01:53.23 | eeyore- | copelco: ifconfig -a | grep "^eth", output? |
| 01:53.35 | Dewi | george: hehe. |
| 01:53.45 | george | kozy: what are you running |
| 01:53.55 | Dewi | george: well how does shuttleworth do it? does he have a gun? What about linus and deraadt? |
| 01:53.55 | george | (in production env) |
| 01:54.27 | george | Dewi: linus did it by inventing it |
| 01:54.29 | copelco | eeyore-, "eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:D0:69:40:61:11" |
| 01:54.31 | Dewi | eeyore-: you know what would be handy? a pipe to pastebin |
| 01:54.37 | eeyore- | none of my systems are "snapshot" (e.g., etch, or some specific release) --- they're all "work in progress" (sid, and gentoo) :-) |
| 01:54.38 | kozy | http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6015/SYS-6015B-T+V.cfm (ESB2 support, e1000 driver for the nic and some driver for sata) |
| 01:54.40 | george | and continuing to make good decisions about it |
| 01:54.49 | Dewi | eeyore-: so that when we give people stuff to type, the pastebin part is done quickly and easily |
| 01:54.54 | eeyore- | copelco: mmmm, no idea for now. bbl. |
| 01:54.58 | Dewi | eeyore-: and there's no risk of output pasting to channel |
| 01:55.03 | Dewi | eeyore-: well, less risk anyway :) |
| 01:55.12 | eeyore- | copelco: wait wait wait ... custom kernel or debian kernel? |
| 01:55.27 | george | custom debian kernel! |
| 01:55.31 | copelco | eeyore, custom |
| 01:55.49 | unfo | Dewi, I would be surprised if nobody has ever written a script to do that. Is there nothing in apt or on google? |
| 01:55.50 | eeyore- | copelco: did you remember to add oh .. what the hell is it ... socket monitoring thingie? needed for dhcp |
| 01:55.58 | kozy | george: webhosting (all the usual) |
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| 01:56.10 | Dewi | unfo: I've been in this channel a long time and I've never heard of it |
| 01:56.21 | Dewi | unfo: I just had the idea then |
| 01:56.36 | hoodlum | how come, when installing debian i get the error "no partitionable media found"? ive turned off the raid settings in my bios but that still hasnt fixed the problem |
| 01:56.37 | Dewi | unfo: I wonder how much twisting curl would need |
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| 01:56.43 | george | kozy: I would recommend you immediately start your usual testing procedure on it... |
| 01:56.43 | samuel | sup all |
| 01:56.46 | unfo | maybe email webmaster@pastebin.ca and webmaster@rafb.net and ask them if they know of one? |
| 01:56.55 | george | don't have one? maybe stick with what you have noe |
| 01:56.56 | copelco | eeyore-, i didn't compile the kernel, it came with the board. do you think i need to recompile it with that enabled? |
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| 01:57.14 | eeyore- | copelco: "came with the board"? |
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| 01:57.29 | unfo | Dewi, I wish someone implemented HTTP PUT in Apache. :) |
| 01:57.31 | widrone | eeyore-: http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7260-spec-h.htm |
| 01:57.32 | eeyore- | copelco: what are we talking about here? some embedded device? |
| 01:57.43 | eeyore- | ah, ooooh, embedded ARM :-) (shit) |
| 01:57.45 | copelco | eeyore-, sorry, yeah, what widrone said |
| 01:57.45 | widrone | eeyore-: They ship some "debian kernel" with them boards of theirs. |
| 01:57.49 | Dewi | unfo: hmm. I think I can do it as a post |
| 01:57.49 | eeyore- | no, i don't mean ARM is shit .. i mean ... |
| 01:57.56 | Dewi | unfo: I reckon I can construct a short curl string to do it |
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| 01:58.01 | hoodlum | hrmm |
| 01:58.13 | kozy | but you're guess will be a couple of weeks before Etch will be stable, I think I''l give it a try then, can't afford these weeks ;) |
| 01:58.21 | unfo | Dewi, I would first search Google and CPAN to see if it's been done before :) |
| 01:58.28 | Ronin | kozy: looked into backports for newer versions? |
| 01:58.29 | widrone | copelco: You should maybe have their kernel config lying around. |
| 01:58.30 | copelco | eeyore-, widrone, http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7400-spec-h.htm |
| 01:58.33 | eeyore- | copelco: so you're saying the development environment doesn't like to do dhcp address discovery, right? |
| 01:58.36 | samuel | anyone here have a computer with a TPM (trusted computing chip)? is it any good? doesnt software do that better? i read up a little about it, and i would think tripwire and some other similar programs do a better job... does a TPM not introduce more points of possible failure? |
| 01:58.58 | copelco | eeyore-, yeah |
| 01:59.05 | samuel | personally i dont like the idea of introducing another point of falure for no added benefit... any way i can find out b4 buing and make sure a computer has not got a TPM? do thinkpads have it? |
| 01:59.05 | widrone | !anyone |
| 01:59.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:59.08 | eeyore- | copelco: here, on your own computer, run the kernel configuration and look for socket monitoring option ... that one is needed for dhcp, i think |
| 01:59.13 | Dewi | samuel: isn't TPM about controlling what users do with software? |
| 01:59.21 | eeyore- | copelco: then check whether the ARM board has CONFIG_ for that value set |
| 01:59.44 | unfo | samuel, machines with Intel Viiv have TPMs so that they can enforce Digital Restrictions Management IIRC. http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Viiv |
| 01:59.48 | Dewi | widrone: that damn factoid is ten times more spammy than somebody opening a perfectly valid question with "does anyone know..." |
| 02:00.01 | eeyore- | $99, wow, nice :-) |
| 02:00.28 | samuel | unfo, Dewi does debian do TPM? |
| 02:00.30 | widrone | Dewi: Indeed, Ill just stop it. Anyone have a problem with that? :) |
| 02:00.36 | copelco | eeyore-, ok, i'll try that |
| 02:00.42 | unfo | samuel, dunno. you may want to ask your initial question in ##security. they're specialized there. |
| 02:00.47 | samuel | i read that since kernel 2.6.12 its in vanilla |
| 02:00.50 | eeyore- | copelco: could just be a miscompile on their part :-) |
| 02:00.51 | samuel | thanks |
| 02:00.55 | kozy | Ronin: yes, backports just misses support for the nic. Problem is that I need an installer with support for RAID and LVM. |
| 02:00.59 | Dewi | samuel: TPM threatens the very existence of debian |
| 02:01.01 | Dewi | samuel: so no |
| 02:01.08 | eeyore- | copelco: does it boot from compactflash? then you can inspect/upgrade kernel easily |
| 02:01.18 | george | what is tpm |
| 02:01.40 | kozy | Ronin: do you know if is it possible to modify an Etch installer to install Sarge? |
| 02:01.46 | copelco | eeyore-, it does boot from the cf card. i don't have a card reader for it though, it's a very small cf |
| 02:01.52 | eeyore- | george: trusted platform management? |
| 02:02.15 | george | how is that implemented |
| 02:02.31 | george | (approximately that is :) |
| 02:02.31 | Dewi | george: by adding chips to computers that dictate what you can and cannot do with them |
| 02:02.44 | Wyzard | That's a bit misleading |
| 02:02.55 | eeyore- | Dewi: it's not that simple |
| 02:02.56 | Wyzard | The TPM chip doesn't govern anything |
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| 02:03.32 | Wyzard | An OS can use it to do things like prove that you're running an unmodified copy of a certain program |
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| 02:03.34 | eeyore- | Dewi: that simplistic view is popularized by chest-beaters and people with agenda ... |
| 02:03.47 | george | debian "doing" or "not doing" tpm doesn't appear to be debian's choice... either tpm doesn't exist on the machine or else tpm does debian |
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| 02:04.37 | widrone | copelco: They do have the kernels they use in tars on their site, could unroll that and look in the config maybe. |
| 02:04.37 | Wyzard | My laptop has a TPM chip... I can enable it or disable it in the BIOS and even when enabled it does absolutely nothing until I install some software to utilize it |
| 02:05.23 | Dewi | Wyzard: I wonder if it would stop you using free open source DVD players if you installed vista |
| 02:05.28 | copelco | widrone, yeah that's true. i think i might have one on cd here, once i can find it (: |
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| 02:05.38 | Dewi | Wyzard: maybe I'm being foolish to expect that |
| 02:05.48 | Dewi | Wyzard: but it seems like all the ingredients are there |
| 02:06.00 | tacocat | I want to change my max memory (shmmax). Is that done in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 02:06.10 | unfo | tacocat, why? Oracle? |
| 02:06.16 | unfo | tacocat, and yes |
| 02:06.25 | Wyzard | Dewi: Other parts of Vista might do that, but not the TPM |
| 02:06.27 | tacocat | eg: echo 16777216 > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax postgresql |
| 02:06.49 | Dewi | Wyzard: it seems like the TPM was designed primarily to do that |
| 02:06.56 | Dewi | Wyzard: and it enables it to happen, doesn't it? |
| 02:07.52 | tacocat | Let me see if I got this right. I have 512MB and I want to use most of it for the database. Say 448 of 512. |
| 02:07.57 | Wyzard | Dewi: All the TPM hardware does is store keys, afaik |
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| 02:08.12 | tacocat | SET shmmax to 448 * 1024 * 1024 ? |
| 02:08.15 | Wyzard | Dewi: and implement some crypto operations to be done on data using those keys |
| 02:08.28 | knoxy | how can I do to set a repeat music mode to mpg321 or mpg123? |
| 02:08.37 | Dewi | Wyzard: I should definitely read up on the details |
| 02:08.50 | Dewi | Wyzard: there seem to be some detailed articles around |
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| 02:08.57 | unfo | tacocat, is your db too slow now? |
| 02:08.59 | unfo | also have you read up in the postgresql docs about tuning? |
| 02:09.04 | Wyzard | Dewi: so an application can create a "secure storage" area that can't be accessed by any other application -- defending applications against snooping on each other by using encryption that software can't circumvent |
| 02:09.17 | tacocat | Yes, it's a bit slow, but it's not using much of the memory available. |
| 02:09.37 | unfo | knoxy, use bash's "while" command. e.g. while 1 |
| 02:09.49 | Wyzard | Dewi: One of the intended usages is "remote attestation" -- Microsoft's WGA checks could use the TPM to make sure you aren't using any cracked DLLs or anything |
| 02:10.13 | Wyzard | Dewi: but the TPM hardware by itself doesn't impose or enforce any policy or restrictions... it's just a crypto coprocessor, basically |
| 02:10.41 | unfo | knoxy, "help while" will tell you how to do it. Or get a used copy of the O'Reilly book "Linux in a Nutshell", 1st edition is fine. It's $1 plus $5 shipping at http://www.abebooks.com |
| 02:10.45 | Wyzard | Dewi: There's a Linux program called "trousers" to utilize TPM in Linux, though it isn't packaged in Debian |
| 02:11.52 | Wyzard | Has anyone here used one of the D-I daily builds recently? |
| 02:12.17 | kozy | yes, working nicely in gui |
| 02:12.55 | kozy | I used without gui and it hangs after completing donwloading |
| 02:13.02 | Wyzard | Actually, I guess I should refine that question further |
| 02:13.07 | Wyzard | Encrypted volumes in a D-I daily build |
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| 02:13.27 | kozy | he, ok, havent tried |
| 02:13.34 | knoxy | thanks unfo |
| 02:13.40 | tacocat | OK, got that fixed up to 52000 from 1000. Nice. It's running 45% MEM now on 'top' |
| 02:13.49 | mick_home | well i have come one step closer in my quest to install |
| 02:13.53 | tacocat | Think I'll run out of memory now? |
| 02:14.11 | unfo | knoxy, you're welcome. P.S. Learn Perl, Python, or Ruby. Shell programming can get really frustrating. |
| 02:14.11 | Wyzard | I have two encrypted volumes, one that I want to use as an LVM physical volume and one that I want to use as swap space, but it seems to want to put partition tables on the encrypted devices |
| 02:14.15 | Wyzard | and I don't want that |
| 02:14.42 | mick_home | the daily mini (gtk installer) -- which btw is really nice, doesn't give me a "next" on "detect disks", even though the bios sees the drive |
| 02:14.42 | unfo | tacocat, did you read up on how to tune? |
| 02:15.07 | mick_home | my guess is that i should install on a system and then put that new drive back into the box that is giving me issues |
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| 02:15.34 | unfo | tacocat, optimization without knowledge is never advisable. :) |
| 02:15.39 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 02:15.48 | unfo | and don't forget the first rule of optimization: don't optimize. |
| 02:15.55 | george | you can't optimize without knowledge |
| 02:15.58 | mick_home | haha |
| 02:16.06 | unfo | the second: if you must optimize your code, profile first. |
| 02:16.09 | george | not possible |
| 02:16.44 | george | what you can do without knowledge is alter stupf |
| 02:17.04 | mick_home | wheneverr i think of oprtimization - i think of gentoo users :) (the kind that compile kde + OpenOffice for days on their 400 MHz box to get it to load 0.37 seconds faster (instead of upgrading the hardware) |
| 02:17.15 | unfo | mick_home++ |
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| 02:17.36 | unfo | though on a slow PC, prelink is worth it. |
| 02:17.44 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 02:17.56 | unfo | so too, switching from KDE to xfce can be also. |
| 02:17.58 | george | mick_home: that's usually not optimization since it's usually without knowledge |
| 02:18.00 | mick_home | i think it is good to refactor code to get something to run faster/better - as long as you know the consequences |
| 02:18.21 | unfo | and ditto with swsusp. |
| 02:18.26 | tacocat | I read up on some of the tuning. I added the shmmax setting and upped the bufferes and work_mem and things are running really fast now. |
| 02:18.27 | unfo | these things can mean the difference between giving up on an old PC and being able to still use it happily. |
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| 02:18.36 | mick_home | george: those guys read the gcc manual for like a month and study that shit from front to back to get the "best" compiler flags |
| 02:18.39 | unfo | tacocat, good. (were they slow before?) |
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| 02:18.45 | tacocat | But I didn't read up on the details of how to tune via pg_stats.... |
| 02:18.55 | mick_home | i think it is sad, but that is just me ;) |
| 02:18.58 | tacocat | They were kind of slow, but compared to this .. 'wow'! |
| 02:19.04 | george | mick_home: by definition of refactor... there should be no consequences in terms of behavior... if behavior does change, you didn't refactor, or at least you tried to refactor and didn't do it right |
| 02:19.14 | unfo | tacocat, also, do you know what the top 10 queries vs. your db are? |
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| 02:19.20 | unfo | can their sql be tuned? |
| 02:19.36 | mick_home | i just disable stuff on boot and i install from the mini installer (and just get the basics and move from there) -- so it is basically an LFS system w/ apt (pretty much) |
| 02:19.52 | tacocat | Not yet. I'm setting up dbmail and will have to see what they are. I have to trust they know what they are doing or are open to suggestions. |
| 02:19.53 | unfo | tacocat, not to mention: can your backup strategy be improved? :) |
| 02:20.03 | george | refactoring is generally done to make it easy to add particular features |
| 02:20.14 | tacocat | ;) Backup? we don't need to stinking backup! ;) |
| 02:20.31 | tacocat | Actually, I can consider turning fsync back on and setting up my external USB drive. |
| 02:20.36 | mick_home | george: by refactor i mean to impliment another algorithm that may (or may not) be faster |
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| 02:20.48 | george | tacocat: heh, what city do I avoid that you drive in? :) |
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| 02:20.59 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello all, I am wondering if I make the file "/etc/apt/apt.conf" and put inside the line "APT::Default-Release "testing"; then I go to |
| 02:21.14 | mick_home | now adays people should still code like they did back in the day (programs would be more efficient) - the question is, do we really have the time? |
| 02:21.22 | tacocat | Detroit -- and you don't want to be driving there anyways. |
| 02:21.32 | george | mick_home: by refactor I mean the process described in the book "Refactoring" :) |
| 02:21.32 | unfo | mick_home, coding in assembly is usually a waste of time. |
| 02:21.38 | mick_home | it is all a tradeoff :) |
| 02:21.44 | widrone | Im guessing that Id get abit longer life from my flashdisk if I use jffs2 instead of ext3 on it. Althu I havent burned out any of them yet. |
| 02:21.45 | unfo | coding in C? it depends. often, a scripting language is better. |
| 02:22.02 | unfo | widrone, use vfat. It works everywhere. |
| 02:22.08 | tacocat | This pg_sql change is much better. the load on the machine is less than 1/2 what it used to be. |
| 02:22.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | my /etc/sources and add some unstable sources, run "apt-get update" then do "apt-get dist-upgrade" will I end up with a "unstable" system? |
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| 02:22.18 | george | there are so many scripting languages that can get the job done simpler and sooner than in C |
| 02:22.24 | tacocat | and I used to get a lot of activity from kjournald that I don't see anymore. yummy! |
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| 02:22.35 | julioh | hi |
| 02:22.38 | george | but certain jobs can only be done in a compiled language |
| 02:22.47 | widrone | unfo: vfat, Id rather not have my debian root partition on that, and its never getting close to another machine really. |
| 02:22.51 | unfo | Gokee2_Laptop, dunno. But be careful: we do not support unstable. :) |
| 02:22.59 | mick_home | unfo: i mean when people cared about how much memory you use etc. since there wasn't that much to take up. Imagine a world where you could still run a new game on something equivalent to DOS |
| 02:23.05 | unfo | widrone, ah. |
| 02:23.21 | mick_home | like Q2... that ran on DOS - graphics were nice and it was small |
| 02:23.24 | widrone | unfo: Im soldering the insides of a cheapo flashdisk in a computer, warranty voided! :) |
| 02:23.28 | mick_home | in general - the game kicked ass |
| 02:23.37 | unfo | tremulous is fun. |
| 02:23.40 | unfo | !info tremulous |
| 02:23.42 | dpkg | tremulous: (Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 642 kB, Installed size: 1447 kB |
| 02:23.45 | Gokee2_Laptop | unfo, Eh? The "support" would be the same... come to the irc chan or post a message to the debain list....? |
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| 02:24.00 | mick_home | now you have to have like 3 gigs of space to run the latest games, and they don't run on anything less than 1 Ghz |
| 02:24.24 | unfo | Gokee2_Laptop, when you mess up your computer and you use unstable, you probably will not get help. |
| 02:24.34 | mick_home | Gokee2_Laptop: try here first, then if noone answers try the mailing list (that is what i do) |
| 02:24.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm |
| 02:24.40 | unfo | Why would you want unstable? |
| 02:24.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | I don`t |
| 02:24.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | I want firefox 2.0 |
| 02:24.55 | unfo | oh. Check backports. |
| 02:24.57 | itchi | unfo: Have you try Nexuiz? |
| 02:25.07 | Gokee2_Laptop | For everything else I want testing |
| 02:25.10 | unfo | itchi, no, what is it? |
| 02:25.12 | Gokee2_Laptop | backports? |
| 02:25.18 | itchi | unfo: Try ;-) |
| 02:25.27 | itchi | unfo: Or checkout the website |
| 02:25.39 | unfo | I still want to try xbomber and openarena first. |
| 02:25.46 | unfo | And crossfire. |
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| 02:33.33 | george | Gokee2_Laptop: well since planned release is so close, you're probably safe with testing... things are frozen, probably a lot of things by now |
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| 02:33.59 | sanmarcos | I am using procmail to filter all my mail from /var/mail/marc automatically, using ~/.forward. I then access that mail using dovecot, the last rule drops all unmatched emails to the Main folder, howver, that doesnt match the Inbox folder for Imap clients such as evolution or sylpheed. I believe the right folder to filter to is INBOX, right ? |
| 02:34.26 | george | as far as anything available from sid or anything either too new to be there or not going to be there (but still you can get source), you can always build (and therefore maintain) yourself |
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| 02:36.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | george, Backports.org say they backport firefox so I think I am going to use that. Does this mean that soon testing will "unfreeze" and as I use testing I will have a lot of new "untested" things flow in? |
| 02:39.37 | Dewi | Gokee2_Laptop: testing only freezes for a couple of months in 18... it will perhaps unfreeze in under a month |
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| 02:40.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmmm. I see. |
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| 02:40.47 | argonel | anyone aware of a way to get firefox to not use audio? |
| 02:41.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | hit mute? |
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| 02:44.16 | argonel | its not the sound i object to, its the blocking the sound device that i don't like |
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| 02:45.10 | frex | I have to keep running alsconf to turn on my sound |
| 02:45.27 | frex | is there a way to fix this to keep the sound always on? |
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| 02:46.40 | frex | streuner? |
| 02:48.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hmmm firefox 2.0 is not in unstable yet? |
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| 02:48.27 | edju | So many modules are loaded, and /etc/modules lists only a few. Where are the others being loaded from? |
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| 02:54.52 | itchi | I have an 'Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)' as video card and driver i810. I find that the 3D is poor. Should i need to install the drivers of Intel's website to get better 3D ? |
| 02:55.37 | Gnurdux | i doubt it |
| 02:55.44 | Gnurdux | arent the drivers on the website really old? |
| 02:56.53 | itchi | I dunno, just that the 3D is realy poor on this brand new laptop. Like the game 'torcs' i can not select higher as 640x480 as resolution. |
| 02:57.28 | unfo | itchi, have you tried any benchmarks? what scores are you getting? |
| 02:57.30 | frex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.38 | frex | is there a way to fix this to keep the sound always on? |
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| 02:58.32 | itchi | And also on that resolution it's near poor the quality. I have test this laptop with another os with Flight Gear Flight Simulator and it was to amazing. Here on the Etch box, it's very poor t 3D |
| 02:58.51 | itchi | unfo: How so benchmarks?? |
| 02:58.56 | george | Gokee2_Laptop: hopefully, this freeze will become a deepfreeze and then etch will become the new stable |
| 02:59.04 | margiolas | hellon where I can find the log file of xorg?? |
| 02:59.04 | margiolas | thanks |
| 02:59.09 | george | that doesn't affect backports.org |
| 02:59.35 | george | margiolas: could be that this animal likes to live with other such animals... |
| 02:59.52 | Gokee2_Laptop | george, hmm but then testing is replaced and everyone running testing will then be running the new testing? |
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| 03:00.46 | george | Gokee2_Laptop: if your sources.list says testing, that is what will happen to you, yes. BUT if it says etch, then you'll keep using etch as it goes from testing to stable |
| 03:00.49 | margiolas | thanks for the help and after we talk for debian community |
| 03:00.49 | margiolas | goodbye |
| 03:00.50 | unfo | itchi, dunno, look in apt. if you don't find any, try glxgears. |
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| 03:01.12 | unfo | itchi, i810 is very slow compared to even bad ati or nvidia cards. |
| 03:01.12 | Gokee2_Laptop | ah I see |
| 03:01.40 | george | the power of symlinks.... and the flexibility of... |
| 03:01.43 | Gokee2_Laptop | How long might it take for firefox 2.0 to be relesed in unstable? |
| 03:01.43 | george | symlinks! |
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| 03:02.30 | george | well "released" is not the word I'd use to describe things available under sid or testing. ONLY stable is "released". |
| 03:02.52 | george | the preceeding has been a word. |
| 03:03.06 | itchi | unfo: But on MS Windows it's very fast; many faster as my older ATI Readeon 9600SE 128MB |
| 03:03.39 | itchi | unfo: fgxgears is not available here |
| 03:03.52 | unfo | itchi, how about glxgears? |
| 03:03.52 | itchi | unfo: Need we to install an additional package? |
| 03:04.01 | george | Gokee2_Laptop: try building firefox... it's involved... but worth a try. if you want to build simpler things first, try hello |
| 03:04.12 | itchi | unfo: Yes, sorry typo here above |
| 03:04.16 | george | and if you do that, you can learn a lot by reading every file in hello |
| 03:04.51 | unfo | !find glxgears |
| 03:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glxgears' (3): (/usr/bin/glxgears) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/bin/fgl_glxgears) in non-free/x11/fglrx-driver ;; (/usr/share/mesademos/progs/xdemos/{glxgears.c|glxgears_fbconfig.c}) in graphics/mesademos. |
| 03:05.22 | george | is there perl poe in debian? I'm looking to explore POE::Kernel |
| 03:05.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | george, Compiling is a pain... I have compiled some things from source but it normally takes a not so small chunk of time :/ I think I am going to wait until backports has a package :) |
| 03:06.13 | george | up to you |
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| 03:06.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | george, There is... I have it. |
| 03:06.31 | itchi | Okay have's installed |
| 03:07.14 | george | (just so you know... it could be good to learn C if you go the build route... you at minimum will then understand the parts of the compiler) |
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| 03:07.41 | george | Gokee2_Laptop: do you know what package it came from? |
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| 03:08.02 | itchi | Should glxgears output some things? |
| 03:08.19 | itchi | Just see there some things slowly turning |
| 03:08.22 | Gokee2_Laptop | george, Not sure but apt-cache search perl poe brings up libpoe-perl so thats probibly it |
| 03:08.29 | george | ahh, libpoe-perl\ |
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| 03:08.43 | george | jsut found it, and saw you say it too |
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| 03:09.18 | Gokee2_Laptop | george, I don`t know much c.. I think I did a hello world and a few other simple programs a while ago |
| 03:09.39 | itchi | I had heard that there is a way to get better 3D with this kind of card. I just no more remember and he is not only right now. |
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| 03:13.18 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 03:13.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | itchi, What type of card? |
| 03:14.03 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.22 | Gokee2_Laptop | ewww Integrated Graphics Controller :0 |
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| 03:14.36 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: It's an laptop lol |
| 03:15.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | itchi, The computer I am on is a laptop and it has a real video card :) |
| 03:15.26 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:15.59 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: This one works very well on this laptop, like i have already say, it work better as my other ATI Readeon 9600SE 128MB |
| 03:16.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm |
| 03:16.19 | Gokee2_Laptop | I have always used nvidia cards |
| 03:16.54 | unseensoul | beep-media-player or xmms..which is better? |
| 03:16.54 | Gokee2_Laptop | GeForce FX Go5200 in my laptop and GeForce 2 in my desktop |
| 03:17.07 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: Not that the ATI not work right. Just that this work many better than my ATI (in windows) |
| 03:17.23 | Gokee2_Laptop | in windows? |
| 03:17.25 | Gokee2_Laptop | Wow... |
| 03:17.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | Normally the windows driver work nicly |
| 03:17.39 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: The ATI is an old one of 3 years, if i remember right |
| 03:17.45 | Gokee2_Laptop | ah |
| 03:18.01 | Gokee2_Laptop | How does the ATI work in linux? |
| 03:18.05 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: The laptop was provided with Windows. It's so that i have test the 3D too |
| 03:18.46 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: The ATI works good. This Intel works many bett :-) And toplap have d duo core |
| 03:18.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | 3D on a intgrated card.... Have.. fun... |
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| 03:19.13 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: Maybe; but it work very wel, realy |
| 03:19.23 | Gokee2_Laptop | duo core laptop and no stand alone video card? |
| 03:19.27 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: Maybe not yet in the GNU/Linux world?? |
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| 03:20.39 | tengulre | anybody can give me some tips, why I not booting the kde? |
| 03:20.47 | kunsten | just bought a Belkin wlan pci card. works well with XP, without any set-up from my part. What is needed to make it work in debian? |
| 03:20.48 | itchi | Gokee2_Laptop: Maybe, but otherwise the life time of the battery are near 1:30 with an big brand video card. Mostly with Intel's the laptop can run many long on battery, near 3:30 |
| 03:21.10 | itchi | tengulre: Is X installed? |
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| 03:21.20 | tengulre | when I running the 'startx' command ,the system give me error messages. '/usr/bin/X11/X': no such file or directory? |
| 03:21.30 | tengulre | itchi: how to install X? |
| 03:21.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | Mine runs about 2 hours or so with a oldish battery. About an hour of heavy 3d work |
| 03:21.39 | itchi | tengulre: See /msg dpkg install x |
| 03:22.16 | kunsten | anyone using Belkin wlan card here? |
| 03:23.08 | ayaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | need the chipset |
| 03:23.14 | ayaa | in my device settings in xorg.conf |
| 03:23.20 | ayaa | i would like to know if there's a specific package that does provide that driver (debian) |
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| 03:23.43 | kunsten | abrotman: that one for me? |
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| 03:23.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:24.02 | kunsten | its RaLink rt2500. |
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| 03:24.21 | abrotman | tengulre: install xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xortg |
| 03:24.24 | abrotman | xorg even |
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| 03:25.22 | itchi | abrotman: Is it normal that the 3D of grafic card of my new laptop is so slow Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) Is there another way to get getter 3D as using that i810 driver? |
| 03:25.28 | damog | Does anybody know if I can copy files to a target directory but only copy files which are not in the target directory (some files may be there and I don't want them to be copied and overwritten)? |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | itchi: is DRI working ? |
| 03:25.52 | itchi | damog: Look to rsync |
| 03:25.57 | abrotman | damog: are you allowed to ask questions ? :) |
| 03:26.06 | itchi | abrotman: Yes it is; but very slowly |
| 03:26.20 | abrotman | itchi: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 03:26.21 | damog | I'm not familiar with rsync, can it be used source/target locally? |
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| 03:26.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:26.33 | damog | abrotman: why not? Do not stereotype. :P |
| 03:26.41 | abrotman | damog: go blog! |
| 03:26.44 | itchi | abrotman: Some games like torcs, vdrift can not be are played here |
| 03:26.57 | abrotman | itchi: sounds like it's not working right |
| 03:27.15 | itchi | abrotman: direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:27.17 | tengulre | itchi, abrotman: my X11 is OK! thank you very much! |
| 03:27.37 | abrotman | itchi: it's an intel .. shold be fine |
| 03:27.49 | abrotman | tengulre: all working ? |
| 03:28.40 | itchi | abrotman: Because i have test it in that os that was provided with this laptop and the 3D was to amazing. Like Flight Gear Flight Simulations was to flashing |
| 03:29.07 | abrotman | itchi: afaik .. should be working fine |
| 03:29.28 | itchi | abrotman: And strange is that i find that the computer is many faster in Debian. Just that 3D that lack many |
| 03:30.02 | Xenguy | .oO(Don't let the deer get yer beer!) |
| 03:30.05 | Xenguy | ww |
| 03:30.57 | itchi | abrotman: Just tested again in vdrift, i get 4,7 frames |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | is that bad ? |
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| 03:31.46 | itchi | abrotman: In torcs, the highest resolution i can choice is 640X480. Realy to low man |
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| 03:32.20 | itchi | abrotman: Yes, 's bad; becasause it's not playable, on my other comp it goes many faster |
| 03:32.22 | abrotman | itchi: sounds like it's not working right . even though DRI seems to be |
| 03:32.35 | tengulre | abrotman: yes! I m successfull login in KDE environment. |
| 03:32.58 | george | what is 4,7 frames |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | 4.7 |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | not everyone is from .us :) |
| 03:33.38 | itchi | abrotman: I have some time also some strange things when i press an unbound key, the console text are a bit screwed and some text are moved and i not see it until i press enter here in irssi (screen) |
| 03:34.03 | itchi | abrotman: What is us?? ;-) |
| 03:34.04 | tengulre | abrotman: I have other problem. where can download VIA KT400 graphics driver? |
| 03:34.28 | abrotman | itchi: .us .. United States |
| 03:34.38 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 03:34.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 03:34.39 | itchi | abrotman: buahaha |
| 03:34.49 | abrotman | tengulre: if that's not it .. i'm not sure |
| 03:35.01 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah i know lol; just to point the ÃĐ |
| 03:35.05 | kingsley | Can a tool like tcpdump or etherreal report the pins or pids of processes that are sending or receiving packets? |
| 03:35.11 | tengulre | abrotman: ok ! thanks |
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| 03:35.28 | itchi | hhhm; looks that symbol strange ^^ ? |
| 03:35.47 | xcorr | hi. got a question |
| 03:35.50 | xcorr | what is Novell linux? |
| 03:36.08 | george | xcorr: where did you get your question? did it come in a box? :) |
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| 03:36.19 | abrotman | xcorr: ask #suse |
| 03:36.22 | itchi | I need to bind some keys or so? |
| 03:37.01 | george | xcorr: novell uses unix and linux for at least its server platforms |
| 03:37.22 | george | other than that... ask novell themselves |
| 03:37.22 | abrotman | novell uses unix ? |
| 03:37.45 | Xenguy | xcorr: Novell is a satanic organization - that is all you need to know =) |
| 03:37.46 | xcorr | george I am reading novell file server uses different protocols |
| 03:38.10 | itchi | abrotman: Also, mostly all the games in fullscreen will be always showed with an big black border that take the bigest parts of the screen view |
| 03:38.12 | abrotman | xcorr: you should really ask #suse .. or #novell .. this has nothing to do with Debian |
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| 03:38.28 | abrotman | itchi: xfree or xorg ? |
| 03:38.38 | itchi | abrotman: xorg, testing |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | stupid clock |
| 03:39.25 | itchi | abrotman: again morng ? |
| 03:39.44 | itchi | abrotman: arg, again morning, i meaned |
| 03:39.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:39.58 | tengulre | hehe.. |
| 03:40.09 | tengulre | itchi: where are you come from? |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | itchi: you "meant" |
| 03:40.42 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, i had not see that on screen; looks like some time when i press some keys, he mess up the screen here a bit with some characters and when i 'backspace' a bit, he not realy clear, it's looks |
| 03:40.47 | tengulre | abrotman: how to learning the english language? hehe.. |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 03:41.00 | itchi | abrotman: Yes, probably ;-) |
| 03:41.49 | itchi | maybe, does not matters, at least that i understand the people and people understand me; then it is already right ;-) |
| 03:42.45 | tengulre | I hate english, I love my country language. |
| 03:43.17 | itchi | abrotman: I did nothing to get that 3D working; just installed etch, and he had put the i810 driver in xorg and config the whole xorg and so. Need i do somethings more? |
| 03:43.25 | Xenguy | tengulre: everybody does :-) |
| 03:43.48 | george | tengulre: what language do you speak |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | itchi: if you think your 3d is poor .. (seems to be correct to me) .. submit a bug |
| 03:44.23 | itchi | abrotman: I just complained above about how slow it is, but i not did somethings to get it better right now. Just that i asked also if there is not another way to get better 3D, like the eventual propritary driver or so |
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| 03:44.32 | tengulre | george: GREAT CHINESE!!! haha... |
| 03:44.44 | abrotman | itchi: not that i'm aware |
| 03:44.59 | george | tengulre: there might be a chinese channel around here somewhere |
| 03:45.04 | itchi | abrotman: Yes it is _very_ poor. Not that i want to complain about it; but realy flashing on how slow it is |
| 03:45.12 | george | perhaps you'd be more comfortable there |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | !dri |
| 03:45.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 03:45.30 | tengulre | george: ??! |
| 03:45.40 | abrotman | itchi: that's for you |
| 03:45.47 | george | I mean since you hate english so much |
| 03:47.00 | Zambezi | I'm using Ubuntu Dapper drake serverinstall and it's fine, but now I'm going to use a really old computer as server (about seven year). So my question is: Will Debian use less CPU and memory than Ubuntu? |
| 03:47.07 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:47.08 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 03:47.12 | itchi | abrotman: Want a copy of the output? |
| 03:47.20 | abrotman | Zambezi: with no X .. possibly |
| 03:47.28 | tengulre | It's time to lunch now. |
| 03:47.36 | tengulre | anybody bye! |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | itchi: i'm not an X debugger |
| 03:47.52 | itchi | abrotman: Im not know many more with this output, i'm not geek enougt it's looks |
| 03:48.03 | Zambezi | abrotman, I won't use X. I'm going to install a Jabberserver and Spamassassin. |
| 03:48.15 | george | Zambezi: nothin to it but to do it |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | Zambezi: then "maybe" is your answer .. only testing will reveal |
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| 03:49.00 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah that's some geeks stuff :-p |
| 03:49.11 | Zambezi | abrotman, Since the computer i rather old I really need to good configuration. It's a P2 400. :-) |
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| 03:49.36 | abrotman | Zambezi: sounds okay to me .. RAM could be a bigger issue |
| 03:50.09 | abrotman | probably depends on the jabberd you use too |
| 03:50.30 | Zambezi | abrotman, That's my thought too. I asked a guy if RAM or CPU would be a problem. Maybe I should add 128 MB. |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | ejabberd is not "light" |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | Zambezi: how much do you have now ? |
| 03:51.03 | Zambezi | abrotman, 128*2. And I have one slot free. It's PC133 memory. |
| 03:51.15 | abrotman | the speed is marginally important |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | 256 could be okay depending on the jabberd you pick |
| 03:51.40 | abrotman | and SA isn't slim |
| 03:51.46 | Zambezi | abrotman, I'm not going to use an open Jabberserver. It's mostly for me. |
| 03:52.17 | abrotman | Zambezi: right .. but some jabberds are heavy on RAM . ejabberd (done in erlang) is a hog |
| 03:52.18 | Zambezi | abrotman, Maybe I should think about an alternative to SA. |
| 03:52.23 | ProtectYaNeck` | are security updates provided for etch? |
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| 03:52.35 | abrotman | Zambezi: check status.jabber.org |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | ProtectYaNeck: /topic |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | yes and no is your answer |
| 03:52.51 | Zambezi | abrotman, I got the advice to use Wildfire. |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | nfc what wildfire is |
| 03:53.12 | witless | hello. i understand mutella is no longer being developed. is there a successor console gnutella client? |
| 03:53.23 | witless | (i am on debian-stable) |
| 03:53.30 | tengulre | anybody know how to config the ATI graphics driver? |
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| 03:54.09 | Zambezi | abrotman, It's called Wildfire server 3.1.1. It's Jabberserver with port for MSN. With webbased admininstration. |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | witless: IIRC .. 'gnut' from oldstable works on sarge |
| 03:54.29 | abrotman | Zambezi: i know nothing about wildfire |
| 03:54.32 | witless | abrotman: thank you, i will take a look |
| 03:54.43 | abrotman | i only know about ejabberd because a friend has root on jabber.org |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | !ati |
| 03:54.52 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 03:55.29 | Zambezi | abrotman, Then I speak to the guy that gave me the tip about Wildfire. But what you said about SA concerns me. |
| 03:55.51 | unseensoul | gpdf isn't available in testing? |
| 03:56.00 | abrotman | Zambezi: you're going to have to do some testing |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | unseensoul: evince |
| 03:56.55 | unseensoul | abrotman: thank you :) |
| 03:57.04 | Zambezi | abrotman, I guess that's the best way. I'll try with Ubuntu first since, but since I always use the terminal I don't think there will be so many changes. |
| 03:57.20 | abrotman | you'd be surprised |
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| 03:57.39 | Zambezi | abrotman, Sarge is the latest, but I heard there's a new version coming later this year. |
| 03:58.04 | ProtectYaNeck | abrotman, what do you mean by the "no" part of your answer? |
| 03:58.26 | abrotman | Zambezi: hopefully .. 'etch' is the name |
| 03:58.47 | abrotman | ProtectYaNeck: the repository is there .. but not many updates have been done |
| 03:58.52 | ProtectYaNeck | ahh |
| 03:59.58 | Zambezi | abrotman, I have to do some seriously thinking here. I can try to see if I find some cheap used memory. 128 MB more should be fine. |
| 04:00.24 | abrotman | Zambezi: depending on your SA rules and jabberd .. you could be fine |
| 04:00.31 | frex | why do I have to keep running alsaconf to get sound working? Is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:01.25 | Zambezi | abrotman, I like to be on the safe side, so 128 MB more would be awesome. |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | Zambezi: and the volume of messages for SA and jabber will make a difference |
| 04:01.47 | george | frex: got more than one sound card? |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | Zambezi: do some testing first .. no point in wasting money if it won't matter |
| 04:02.33 | Zambezi | abrotman, Good point and if I need more memory, it still going to be there. |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | right |
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| 04:03.25 | sanmarcos | whats a good graphical gtk email client that supports a bunch of Mbox files as folders? |
| 04:03.36 | abrotman | evolution or balsa |
| 04:03.37 | george | Zambezi: memory is probably the single biggest way to increase how fast your computer feels |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | maybe sylpheed |
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| 04:04.08 | sanmarcos | abrotman: evolution crashes every 2 x 3, sylpheed doenst support mbox tree, and balsa, I dont know |
| 04:04.25 | george | (if it has to access the disk in place of ram that would otherwise exist, that's going to hurt your performance... a LOT) |
| 04:04.28 | abrotman | i'm surprised sylpheed doesn't |
| 04:04.54 | sanmarcos | abrotman: it doenst, even with the plugin |
| 04:04.59 | Zambezi | george, I saw cheap 256 MB now on Ebay, so I might take it. But I have to check first so the computer can you 512 MB. |
| 04:05.00 | Xenguy | sanmarcos: sylpheed will import/export mbox tho |
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| 04:05.21 | sanmarcos | Xenguy: ? I need it to read mbox |
| 04:05.26 | Zambezi | george, And I don't even know if my motherboard can take 200 GB drive. |
| 04:05.28 | abrotman | sanmarcos: weird |
| 04:05.39 | george | sanmarcos: you can always cause your local mail to not be mbox |
| 04:05.41 | Xenguy | sanmarcos: that's an import, no? |
| 04:05.52 | abrotman | Xenguy: i think he wants direct interaction with mbox |
| 04:06.02 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I am just using procmail to filter /var/mail/user (with ~/.forward). I have it set as a bunch of mbox files in /home/marc/Mail/ |
| 04:06.08 | Xenguy | abrotman: oh |
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| 04:06.27 | abrotman | Xenguy: i don't get it either :) |
| 04:06.27 | george | sanmarcos: the point is that you do not need to read mbox... but you would need to do work to implement that change |
| 04:06.28 | abrotman | sander_: try balsa |
| 04:06.36 | Xenguy | abrotman: there must be a reason, I'm sure :-) |
| 04:06.37 | abrotman | erm .. sanmarcos |
| 04:06.44 | sanmarcos | george: ? |
| 04:06.56 | abrotman | sanmarcos: it's a lighter email client .. much lighter than evo |
| 04:07.06 | george | missing ideas and info before "?", ignored |
| 04:07.11 | Xenguy | Sylpheed is lightening fast |
| 04:07.19 | george | thanks for playing, now try again :) |
| 04:07.21 | sanmarcos | balsa doesnt support mbox accounts either abrotman |
| 04:07.34 | abrotman | i find that hard to believe |
| 04:07.47 | Xenguy | kmail? |
| 04:07.54 | sanmarcos | abrotman: hold on |
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| 04:08.01 | george | so do I, I also find it impossible to believe mbox is his only choice |
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| 04:08.14 | sanmarcos | george: it is, I am not swithcing to maildir |
| 04:08.27 | george | that's your CHOICE |
| 04:08.30 | abrotman | maildir is superior in almost every way |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | barring inode usage .. maildir kicks ass |
| 04:09.42 | witless | ermm, there is no "gnutella" channel? |
| 04:09.54 | sanmarcos | witless: gnutella? that is so 2000 |
| 04:10.05 | witless | sanmarcos: so what's all 2006? :-) |
| 04:10.08 | sanmarcos | witless: amule is the choice know |
| 04:10.16 | george | sanmarcos: it is not possible to believe that is your only choice. on the other hand, that is irrelevent if you CHOOSE to stay with mbox |
| 04:10.16 | abrotman | oh god no |
| 04:10.17 | sanmarcos | witless: emule for windows is awesome, amule is regular |
| 04:10.45 | sanmarcos | george: I have to use mbox, I am not a sysadmin in the box I need to use it |
| 04:10.50 | abrotman | apparently the real trick is gift |
| 04:10.54 | george | windows discussion is also irrelevent |
| 04:10.58 | witless | i do virtually no P2P - what is the preferred network these days? |
| 04:11.02 | sanmarcos | george: you are irrelevant |
| 04:11.04 | smacnay | hmm - for general web stuff, which java package should I be looking at. I have blackdown but put it on years ago. |
| 04:11.07 | george | sanmarcos: you can change it after the fact |
| 04:11.07 | sanmarcos | abrotman: gift was cool for 2 months or so, then it died |
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| 04:11.15 | smacnay | I think the link is broken when updating now. |
| 04:11.17 | abrotman | sanmarcos: try it |
| 04:11.18 | sanmarcos | abrotman: not enough supernodes |
| 04:11.25 | Xenguy | santeria: just use mutt and be happy :-) |
| 04:11.45 | sanmarcos | abrotman: what is the last release 0.8.9 as like 4 years agoi? |
| 04:11.46 | george | sanmarcos: which is exactly what I do, I forward to a procmail |
| 04:12.03 | abrotman | sanmarcos: yu're missing the point |
| 04:12.56 | sanmarcos | abrotman: whats the point? |
| 04:13.06 | abrotman | you'll see :) |
| 04:13.20 | sanmarcos | abrotman: gift connects to fasttrack (dead, and nothing more than windows spyawre), openft (no supernodes), ares (wtf is that?) |
| 04:13.32 | abrotman | okay .. night :) |
| 04:13.33 | george | sanmarcos: that's definitely a consideration, as abrotman mentioned before |
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| 04:14.45 | george | sanmarcos: another solution you could consider is to actually receive the mail using a separate machine |
| 04:14.59 | george | then you can use any client you want |
| 04:15.13 | george | AND you have full control over it |
| 04:15.14 | sanmarcos | george: ill just keep using evolution and getting 100% cpu hard locks every once in a while. I guess I deserve the pain |
| 04:15.37 | george | sanmarcos: under sarge? |
| 04:15.49 | sanmarcos | sid |
| 04:15.56 | sanmarcos | now comes, the "dont use sid" |
| 04:16.00 | sanmarcos | of course |
| 04:16.01 | sanmarcos | good night |
| 04:16.29 | george | sanmarcos: or else backup before you upgrade and before you use the machine |
| 04:16.45 | sanmarcos | george: you get what you pay for |
| 04:17.17 | george | ok, so now we see that you're playing "well, you could..." "yeah, but..." |
| 04:17.41 | george | what's your emotional payoff? |
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| 04:18.12 | Azar | I can't stand to have a running mail program with all the spam nowadays |
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| 04:18.34 | george | you have choices. and you're making them, so no problem... if you choose the pain, then feel it well |
| 04:19.04 | sanmarcos | Azar: use spamassasin |
| 04:19.29 | sanmarcos | Azar: and get some pick axes, and do like they do in russia, where a spam king was found beaten to death |
| 04:19.34 | sanmarcos | justice was made |
| 04:19.43 | Azar | sanmarcos: interesting, I will check it out |
| 04:20.09 | Azar | it's been years I quit using any kind of mail on my system |
| 04:20.16 | sanmarcos | Azar: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1709907,00.html |
| 04:20.30 | george | I hope they nailed a sign to his chest saying "spam this bitch" |
| 04:20.32 | Azar | sanmarcos: thanks |
| 04:21.08 | frex | george: I only have one sound card |
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| 04:21.51 | Zambezi | Isn't there a pure serverinstall instead of netinstall? I can't download and burn 15 CDs just to try. |
| 04:22.13 | george | frex: how do you know you have to run alsaconf? |
| 04:22.57 | george | Zambezi: for that, the machine to be installed to needs to be on the net, preferably with a nice fat fast connection |
| 04:23.28 | Zambezi | george, Is 10/10 enough? ;-) |
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| 04:23.48 | george | Zambezi: sure... so what's the problem? :) netinstall is easy |
| 04:24.24 | sanmarcos | george: I am so sick of traffick |
| 04:24.37 | george | sanmarcos: meetoo |
| 04:24.41 | sanmarcos | george: I loose 6 hours a day in the car!! |
| 04:24.43 | Zambezi | george, If something goes wrong I can just do it again. It's probably easy and understandable when I'm trying it. |
| 04:24.51 | george | and veru tird of spam |
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| 04:24.57 | bvk | How can i get rid of these 'modprobe: FATAL couldn't load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: no such file or directory' while booting? |
| 04:25.00 | sanmarcos | george: use spamassasin? |
| 04:25.12 | CapnX | rm -rf /* |
| 04:25.13 | george | sanmarcos: yes I do |
| 04:25.39 | Zambezi | george, How is SAs memoryuse? |
| 04:25.44 | george | CapnX: that's nice :) go back to your exploding blocks now :) |
| 04:25.50 | sanmarcos | its a killer allright, once you build the db it catches 90% |
| 04:25.54 | george | well it's perl |
| 04:26.07 | CapnX | :P |
| 04:26.37 | Zambezi | george, I get at least 10 spams/day. It sucks. I would like to get rid of them without seeing them. |
| 04:26.52 | george | CapnX: no... don't touch the red one... oh, too late... maan, that's messy |
| 04:28.22 | george | Zambezi: consider yourself VERY lucky |
| 04:28.46 | CompWizrd | some of my end-users get 10 a week, and they complain about being overloaded with spam... |
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| 04:29.13 | george | I get about 50-75/day |
| 04:29.15 | Zambezi | george, I had 20/day earlier, but it's only 10/day now. |
| 04:29.24 | CapnX | 20 a day here |
| 04:29.37 | xjkx | i want to create a subtitle to a video, what software should i use?i mean create, noT a subtitle edit |
| 04:29.41 | traskbtrojanek | Does anyone know how to get a horizontal dock bar in Window Maker? |
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| 04:29.57 | sanmarcos | traskbtrojanek: you can set it up in the settings #windowmaker |
| 04:30.12 | CompWizrd | i get about 500 a day, but spamassassin gets most of them. |
| 04:30.19 | sanmarcos | george: to do 10 miles in los angeles it takes me 1.5 hours. I want to kill somebody |
| 04:30.27 | traskbtrojanek | I figured that, but how? I've looked everywhere I can think of and found nothing. |
| 04:30.31 | Zambezi | CapnX, And it's still the same thing. "X here :)" "This is X :)", sexualthing, weight and tons of other things. I hate it. |
| 04:30.32 | frex | george: sound doesn't work until I run alsaconf |
| 04:30.40 | traskbtrojanek | I tried to set the dockapp positions manually and it didn't work. |
| 04:30.41 | george | sanmarcos: oh man... that sucks... |
| 04:30.43 | frex | george: after I run alsaconf, sound works |
| 04:30.58 | george | frex: ok, try the following |
| 04:31.04 | george | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:31.15 | Zambezi | One thing with SA scares me. How can I know it doesn't catch important email. |
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| 04:31.59 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: you put it in a spam folder an do the deletion manually |
| 04:32.09 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: only redirect to /dev/null on obvious matches |
| 04:32.15 | george | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:32.31 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.42 | george | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:33.31 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.06 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.10 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, So it deletes spam which is spam to 100%? Redirect messages certanly not spam and unsure is left for manual check? |
| 04:34.13 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.33 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: you have to set it up, I use procmail, you can assign an X-Spam-Level header |
| 04:34.42 | george | oh, and also show the size in bytes of modules.diff |
| 04:35.07 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, Procmail send the mail to Thunderbird right? |
| 04:35.14 | george | if it's not empty, your machine isn't starting alsa maybe |
| 04:35.46 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: no, its something else. Thunderbird has spam filters though, if you use TB you dont need SA. Check debian-administration.org or google for the many SA tutorials around |
| 04:35.47 | george | if it is empty, try rebooting and running alsamixer |
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| 04:36.45 | george | sanmarcos: I know a session guitar player who moved north from LS |
| 04:36.47 | george | LA |
| 04:37.04 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, But my wish is to get rid of spam about "adultthings". Then I don't have to fetch so many emails. |
| 04:37.17 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: do you control your mail servers? |
| 04:37.30 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, No. |
| 04:37.34 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: isp? |
| 04:37.35 | frex | george: can you explain that a little more simply? |
| 04:37.44 | frex | george: I couldn't follow you |
| 04:37.47 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, Sweidsh ISP named Tele2. |
| 04:37.49 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: you are pretty much left with no choice then, unless your isp offers SA or other server spam solution |
| 04:38.06 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: spamassassin is usually done server side, although it can be done client side, you will stil download the messages |
| 04:38.10 | george | frex: first copy it all into a file (my instructions that is) |
| 04:38.19 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, They doesn't use a spamfilter at all. |
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| 04:38.31 | frex | george: I'm supposed to get a list of modules started up at boot >>> how? |
| 04:38.38 | frex | How do I do that? |
| 04:38.46 | george | reboot, lsmod |
| 04:39.05 | george | well lsmod > ~/boot-modules |
| 04:39.33 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, It sounds like I have a problem here cause I would like an application to download, erase the spams and the transfer the right ones to me. |
| 04:40.05 | frex | george: what does it mean, pipe to sort? |
| 04:40.08 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: thunderbird does that, it does have a spam filter built in. It is not SpamAssasin, but it is good |
| 04:40.20 | george | frex: | sort |
| 04:40.29 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: best choice, is to use an email for everything (services, anything) and an email for private stuff |
| 04:40.38 | george | ohh, right, forgot |
| 04:40.45 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, I know, but I still have to erase spams manually. |
| 04:40.45 | george | well lsmod | sort > ~/boot-modules |
| 04:41.05 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: you could tell thunderbird to trash them |
| 04:41.08 | george | that says: |
| 04:41.27 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, Or a email forwarer and blocks the forwarder which I'm getting spam from. |
| 04:41.34 | frex | george: I ran this command >> lsmod | sort > ~/boot-modules |
| 04:41.40 | frex | george: now what? |
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| 04:41.56 | george | whatever text is written out by lsmod is to be presented to the sort program... text from sort goes into boot-modules" |
| 04:41.56 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: just block whole countries |
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| 04:42.10 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: I blocked japan, russia, china. Seriously dont care |
| 04:42.11 | george | frex: now run alsaconf |
| 04:42.28 | george | (you did reboot right? |
| 04:42.31 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, But then I got to trash the right emails liek the ejaculationemailsa not emails that might be spam. |
| 04:42.54 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: the filter is pretty acurate, you could make it go to the trash, and then review it |
| 04:43.04 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, Is that possible in TB? To block countries? |
| 04:43.54 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: by filters on addresses' tld yes, but it isnt useful. I block entire ip subnets |
| 04:43.54 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, That's what I'm doing now. I put it to a spamfolder. |
| 04:43.54 | frex | george: done, now what? |
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| 04:43.54 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: and for spam above a certain level, I just send it to /dev/null (aka oblivion) |
| 04:43.54 | george | you did reboot right? |
| 04:43.54 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, I have 333 emails there right now. |
| 04:44.09 | frex | george, no I haven't rebooted yet |
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| 04:44.33 | george | ok, how many times have you run alsaconf since you last rebooted? |
| 04:44.51 | george | including the one from a moment ago |
| 04:45.07 | atula | hi. where do I find source file for linux-kernel 2.6.8-2? |
| 04:45.22 | sanmarcos | atula: apt-cache search --names-only linux source |
| 04:45.26 | frex | george: maybe two times |
| 04:45.29 | sanmarcos | atula: www.kernel.org |
| 04:45.53 | george | sanmarcos: note the -2, he wants the debianized source |
| 04:46.03 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, I'm thinking about to give up TB. I got an idea. I going to store copies of the emails in pdf. Then erase them. And then change to another kind of applciation. |
| 04:46.10 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: I dont get much email anyways, I am a loner. In a yahoo mail account I just let the yahoo spamguard stuff take care, I never get those mails. I seriously could not care |
| 04:46.23 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: pdf? what are you smoking? |
| 04:46.29 | frex | george: maybe two times |
| 04:46.39 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: just export to mbox probably the most portable solution |
| 04:46.42 | frex | george: what does that tell you? what do I need to do now? |
| 04:46.54 | frex | george: or is the problem fixed? |
| 04:47.00 | george | frex: ok, you have to start this test over... first: reboot and come back (do -not- run alsaconf yet) |
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| 04:47.32 | frex | okay rebooting now see you in a few minutes |
| 04:47.37 | george | frex: if you ran alsaconf twice, it probably means we won't see any difference in modules |
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| 04:47.47 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, I'm flying high. No seriously, I can export it, but one folder crashed. I can access anything in it so I'm not comfortable with TB since I have emails from 2002. |
| 04:47.52 | amit | hey fellas..anybody here? |
| 04:48.05 | george | hence this instance of the test is useless |
| 04:48.07 | Zambezi | amit, About 650 people. ;-) |
| 04:48.13 | amit | ;-) |
| 04:48.16 | amit | hehe |
| 04:48.31 | george | hey! don't forget me! I'm one of the 3 extra! |
| 04:48.34 | nayyares | i want to configure SQUID such that the clients receive my own pic/banner in their msn messenger instead of default? is it possible? |
| 04:48.40 | amit | well..i am stuck up fellas, i used the expert26 option, and the problem is the kernel somehow doesn't load my graphics driver module |
| 04:49.03 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: http://pastebin.ca/244782 < thats my procmail log sending spam into oblivion (ie, non english characters). SA lets you assign points by languages |
| 04:49.19 | atula | sanmarcos, hi. all the sources are different than mine |
| 04:49.24 | unseensoul | for instance, if i install the openoffice.org-l10n-it package, openoffice will contain the user interface in italian? |
| 04:49.31 | CompWizrd | fuzzyocr works nicely on the recent flood of .gif images |
| 04:50.24 | atula | sanmarcos, I need 2.6.8-2... apt-cache return only 2.6.14 and up.. |
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| 04:50.32 | amit | well..what i did was use the expert26 mode and then, install from the sarge cd. |
| 04:50.46 | amit | then configured a dist-upgrade to testing |
| 04:50.54 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, Words with numbers or special caracter is something Spamassassin can deal about right? |
| 04:51.17 | amit | installed kde and its dependencies, only to find that the kernel doesn't load the savage module..my question is how do i go about loading this module now? |
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| 04:51.26 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: yes, it detects cyrillic and other non-western languages. It is all configurable |
| 04:51.33 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: evolution can use spamassasin afaik |
| 04:51.35 | frex | george, I'm back |
| 04:51.38 | atula | anyone know how I can get source for linux kernel 2.6.8-2-386? |
| 04:51.57 | george | frex: ok, so now you have rebooted, yes?:) |
| 04:51.58 | amit | atula: www.kernel.org |
| 04:52.06 | frex | george: yes |
| 04:52.11 | amit | plz help fellas |
| 04:52.13 | amit | :( |
| 04:52.14 | george | ok, how many times have you run alsaconf since you last rebooted? |
| 04:52.22 | frex | george: zero |
| 04:52.23 | george | (which was just now :) |
| 04:52.28 | george | excellent :) |
| 04:52.31 | frex | george: lsmod > ~/boot-modules ???? |
| 04:52.53 | george | here's what the two times told me before... "test is useless, we won't see a difference, he has to reboot first" |
| 04:53.02 | george | but now we're at zero, good. |
| 04:53.18 | frex | george: or this lsmod | sort > ~/boot-modules ??? |
| 04:53.26 | george | that one |
| 04:53.29 | amit | sanmarcos: hey man, can you help me..i am stuck with a problem where the kernel doesn't load a required module |
| 04:53.42 | frex | george, the second one, with the pipe? |
| 04:53.46 | george | not yet |
| 04:53.47 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, Can Evolution import emails from TB? |
| 04:53.51 | george | wait, yes |
| 04:54.04 | frex | george, what command should I run, I'm confused now |
| 04:54.06 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: might, dont know. It surely can import mbox exported by thunderbird |
| 04:54.11 | frex | george: waiting |
| 04:54.20 | george | frex: the second one with the pipe |
| 04:54.28 | frex | george: okay |
| 04:54.38 | atula | amit: where should I put it once I unzipped it? /usr/local/src/ ? |
| 04:54.47 | amit | /usr/src |
| 04:54.57 | frex | george: and then? |
| 04:54.57 | george | I'm putting the sort in there to try to get a better result from the diff |
| 04:55.13 | george | take a look at the file ~/boot-modules |
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| 04:55.19 | amit | atula: do you have any idea how do i load a module manually, and I don't even have the kernel source to recompile :( |
| 04:55.24 | george | does it show your modules? |
| 04:55.39 | amit | george: lol..is that for me? :P |
| 04:55.43 | Zambezi | sanmarcos, I'll give it a shoot. I have to work now with the setup. Thanks alot for your great help. |
| 04:55.43 | george | (sorting might make it look really weird :) |
| 04:56.03 | frex | george: it looks like it's showing them |
| 04:56.03 | george | amit: no; sorry... running a test with frex |
| 04:56.04 | sanmarcos | Zambezi: I suggest you checkout #spamassassin It will solve your spam problems, but it wont enlarge your penis |
| 04:56.15 | amit | george: oh..okay :( |
| 04:56.16 | atula | amit: no sorry :( |
| 04:56.21 | amit | atula: :( |
| 04:56.22 | george | frex: ok, now run alsaconf |
| 04:56.28 | frex | okay |
| 04:56.43 | amit | george: i'm counting on ya..hope you can help me..:D once you are done with frex :) |
| 04:56.59 | george | now we're going to create another file with the list of modules you have -now- so we can compare |
| 04:57.00 | frex | running alsaconf now |
| 04:57.11 | george | well after alsaconf |
| 04:57.38 | frex | george: alsaconf finished |
| 04:57.45 | frex | george: now how to compare? |
| 04:57.45 | george | ok, now run this: |
| 04:58.09 | george | lsmod | sort > ~/after-alsaconf-modules |
| 04:58.18 | george | first make the file :) |
| 04:58.41 | frex | george: what means "first make the file"??? |
| 04:58.53 | frex | george: I ran the command lsmod | sort > ~/after-alsaconf-modules |
| 04:59.03 | frex | so what now? |
| 04:59.10 | george | ok, and you did that after you ran alsaconf? :) |
| 04:59.25 | frex | george: yes, I ran that command after I ran alsaconf |
| 04:59.32 | george | ok, good! |
| 04:59.33 | frex | so now we can compare |
| 04:59.49 | frex | right? |
| 04:59.51 | george | now we have two lists, one before and the other after running alsaconf |
| 05:00.28 | frex | what is the command to compare the two files? |
| 05:00.37 | sanmarcos | diff |
| 05:00.43 | sanmarcos | -U |
| 05:00.44 | nevyn | diff -u |
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| 05:00.50 | george | now we let diff compare them: diff -u ~/boot-modules ~/after-alsaconf-modules > ~/modules.diff |
| 05:00.52 | nevyn | heh |
| 05:01.00 | nevyn | unified diffs for the win |
| 05:01.11 | george | of course |
| 05:01.14 | ToxicSun | !java |
| 05:01.15 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 05:01.20 | george | I don't like reading others :) |
| 05:01.34 | ToxicSun | !javascript |
| 05:01.35 | dpkg | methinks javascript is A simple scripting language designed by Netscape to be embedded into HTML documents. It is unrelated to Java. See java.. EVIL! http://www.churchofsatan.com uses it, dontchaknow |
| 05:01.56 | george | isn't THAT special? |
| 05:02.00 | amit | anybody knows how to load missing kernel modules manually? |
| 05:02.00 | frex | george, I am looking at this new file: ~/modules.diff |
| 05:02.14 | george | frex: got stuff in there? |
| 05:02.16 | frex | george: what do I do with that output? |
| 05:02.23 | ToxicSun | how do i make dpkg tell me what i want to know in a pm |
| 05:02.25 | frex | george: yes, lots of stuff there |
| 05:02.29 | george | ok, want you to pastebin two of those files |
| 05:02.42 | frex | which two? |
| 05:02.43 | george | !paste |
| 05:02.43 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:02.56 | george | please use that paster |
| 05:03.04 | frex | I would never paste into this wonderful channel |
| 05:03.22 | george | and the files I'd like are: boot-modules and modules.diff |
| 05:04.07 | frex | modules.diff >> http://channels.debian.net/paste/4418 |
| 05:04.27 | george | (did you know... there is a command that will take boot-modules and modules.diff and produce after-alsaconf-modules) |
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| 05:04.40 | george | so only need 2 :) |
| 05:04.58 | frex | boot-modules is empty |
| 05:05.05 | george | empty?? |
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| 05:05.22 | frex | at least the command: nano boot-modules gives me nothing |
| 05:05.24 | george | that is weird |
| 05:05.33 | rcc | is there any way to enable shadow passwords post-install |
| 05:05.35 | george | ls -l boot-modules |
| 05:05.48 | george | zero length? |
| 05:05.58 | frex | no such file or directory |
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| 05:06.22 | george | ok, ls -l ~/boot-modules |
| 05:06.22 | frex | ls -l boot-modules >>> no such file |
| 05:06.31 | george | try the second one |
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| 05:06.53 | frex | george: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3358 2006-11-10 05:54 /root/boot-modules |
| 05:07.05 | george | that has stuff in it |
| 05:07.28 | george | so could you pastebin that pls |
| 05:07.41 | frex | okay, doing it now |
| 05:08.43 | frex | george: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4419 |
| 05:08.54 | frex | both files are patebinnned |
| 05:08.54 | lunitik | Anyone know how I might go about setting my computer to standby when I'm not using it (not just monitor) ... it gets HOT overnight :( |
| 05:09.16 | frex | I mean pastbinned |
| 05:09.22 | unseensoul | http://pastebin.com/820955 why does this happens? |
| 05:09.31 | unseensoul | it's normal? |
| 05:10.12 | george | hmmm |
| 05:10.20 | frex | george: yes? |
| 05:10.29 | frex | what does it ?tell you |
| 05:10.42 | george | it looks like the modules are not inserted after boot but are after alsaconf |
| 05:11.03 | frex | george: how can I fix that? |
| 05:11.05 | george | could someone tell me the debian solution to this? |
| 05:11.43 | ToxicSun | im trying to install JRE for mozilla |
| 05:11.53 | ToxicSun | and i want to know where to put it so that all users can access it |
| 05:11.56 | george | frex: how did you go about installing the sound driver? |
| 05:12.12 | george | or is all you did "alsaconf"? |
| 05:12.15 | frex | alsaconf? |
| 05:12.19 | frex | yes, that's all I did |
| 05:12.32 | george | hmm, so the drivers are installed, just not inserted |
| 05:12.42 | george | ok, is this a kernel you built? |
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| 05:13.13 | george | and if so did you also build alsaconf, the alsa libs and other alsa tools? |
| 05:13.20 | frex | george: I didn't build a kernel |
| 05:13.45 | frex | george, I'm not sophisticated enough to build, if you haven't already guessed |
| 05:13.57 | frex | george, I just installed from the Net |
| 05:14.19 | george | btw, what exactly did you install? debian of what version? |
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| 05:17.03 | george | frex: and also, did you install the whole thing in basically one shot? |
| 05:17.18 | frex | george: yes, one shot |
| 05:17.26 | frex | george, I think it is etch |
| 05:17.32 | george | ok |
| 05:17.46 | dotCOMmie | does anyone know how uptime is calculated? |
| 05:17.52 | george | all: so what do you think the problem is here? |
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| 05:18.55 | lunitik | Anyone know how to check hardware temperature? I think my video card is overheating :S |
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| 05:19.50 | george | dotCOMmie: format as an interval of time [ (seconds since 1/1/1970 at time uptime command was run) - (seconds since 1/1/1970 at time of reboot) ] |
| 05:19.52 | amit | how do i load kernel modules manually? |
| 05:20.25 | george | insmod, modprobe, latter being better since it takes care of module deps |
| 05:20.38 | evilgeek | insmod foo.ko or modprobe foo. |
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| 05:20.51 | dotCOMmie | george: nevermind I found the problem appears its an old bug.. uptime is reset at 497 days |
| 05:20.57 | evilgeek | modprobe isn't really "better". modprobe is a wrapper for insmod. |
| 05:21.05 | frex | george: any suggestions? |
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| 05:21.20 | george | dotCOMmie: you have > a year uptimes? :) |
| 05:21.28 | amit | george: thanks man |
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| 05:21.54 | amit | evilgeek: is it like insmod requires us to know the exact module ..eh? |
| 05:21.58 | george | evilgeek: "better" here means "easier" |
| 05:22.20 | george | amit: a module might need other modules |
| 05:22.20 | dotCOMmie | george: 497+28 days d: |
| 05:22.22 | unseensoul | http://pastebin.com/820955 why does this happens? |
| 05:22.27 | amit | i see |
| 05:22.40 | amit | the module I want here is "savage" |
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| 05:22.45 | george | modprobe deals with that, insmod doesn't |
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| 05:22.56 | george | try modprobe savage |
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| 05:23.18 | amit | george:yeah, i just ran the modprobe command and it says can't fine module |
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| 05:23.32 | frex | george: do you know what I need to do now? |
| 05:23.36 | amit | george: *find |
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| 05:24.10 | amit | george: how do i paste the error output from my xserver somewhere from this text console? :( |
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| 05:24.24 | george | frex: is there a file /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 05:24.39 | FarrisG | ANyone have any particular recommendations for a hosting control panel tool? I'm looking at DTC, vhcs, web-cp, and ispconfig. Any others I should know about? A lot of these look great but have fatal flaws. For instance, web-cp doesn't yet support exim very well, and being an old junkie, I'm kinda biased toward exim |
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| 05:26.21 | frex | george: yes, there is. I'm looking at the file now. |
| 05:26.32 | george | frex: we can test it |
| 05:26.43 | george | the first step: reboot, come back |
| 05:26.43 | frex | george: okay, how? |
| 05:26.54 | frex | okay see you again in a minute |
| 05:27.21 | amit | george: i am using the 2.6.8 kernel from my sarge cd..modprobe says it can't find the module savage |
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| 05:27.38 | george | what's a savage btw |
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| 05:27.53 | Wyzard | a type of video card |
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| 05:28.15 | lunitik | Is there any way to make ATI cards sleep when not needed? |
| 05:28.25 | george | Wyzard: you know anything about this? |
| 05:28.39 | amit | S3 ProSavage DDR (graphics card man) |
| 05:28.40 | george | hypnotist? |
| 05:28.46 | lunitik | Its raising the temp of my box like (I'd guess) 15-20 degrees...... |
| 05:28.47 | Wyzard | not really, sorry |
| 05:28.56 | Wyzard | I just know what a savage card is, because my old laptop had one |
| 05:29.16 | Wyzard | I didn't have any problems with missing modules though |
| 05:29.37 | amit | george: is there any way i can get a listing of loadable kernel moduloes? |
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| 05:30.10 | george | amit: the basic issue is that you don't have the savage module... maybe this is because your 2.6.8-2 kernel doesn't have it |
| 05:30.47 | amit | george: oh..but i am not sure..the 2.4.27 kernel had it i guess (the stable kernel shipped with sarge) |
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| 05:31.05 | frex | george, I'm back |
| 05:31.21 | george | Wyzard: wondering why that was (that you had no problems) |
| 05:31.25 | frex | what do I need to do with init.d alsa |
| 05:31.26 | amit | george: i don't exactly remember, but i vaguely remember i had once installed with the 2.6 kernel and it had worked pretty good... |
| 05:31.37 | frex | amit: worked pretty well |
| 05:31.49 | george | frex: ok, log in as root and type: /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 05:32.07 | amit | frex: :) |
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| 05:32.18 | frex | george: done |
| 05:32.35 | george | frex: see if your sound works |
| 05:33.12 | frex | george: is there a test file somewhere I can download |
| 05:33.20 | frex | an mp3 or something? |
| 05:33.30 | george | yeah, there's english.au |
| 05:33.40 | george | but where is that |
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| 05:33.51 | george | wait, how did you test before?? |
| 05:34.08 | frex | george: :) |
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| 05:34.12 | frex | an internet file somewhere |
| 05:34.18 | frex | hold on, I'm looking.... |
| 05:34.23 | george | you can do that again :) |
| 05:34.57 | frex | no soun |
| 05:35.02 | frex | no sound :( |
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| 05:35.23 | george | so: /etc/init.d/alsa start does not load the modules |
| 05:35.36 | george | which it should iirc |
| 05:35.47 | frex | so now what? |
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| 05:36.01 | george | dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
| 05:36.06 | Wyzard | FWIW, that old laptop of mine is running 2.6.18 (in sid) and it has the savage module |
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| 05:36.29 | Wyzard | but it isn't loaded -- I think it's a framebuffer driver; not really necessary |
| 05:37.33 | frex | Package `alsa' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 05:37.41 | frex | George, that command doesn't work.... |
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| 05:38.04 | george | ok |
| 05:38.17 | george | we have to find the right thing to reconfigure |
| 05:38.27 | george | !alsa |
| 05:38.27 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 05:38.43 | george | !alsa-checklist |
| 05:38.43 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 05:40.29 | george | so you did (1) a bunch of times I guess |
| 05:40.53 | george | !alsa one-liner |
| 05:40.53 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 05:42.20 | george | ok... get the list of currently loaded modules (run: lsmod) and look at it |
| 05:42.29 | george | do you see any snd-* modules |
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| 05:42.50 | lunitik | george: 'lsmod | grep snd' is easier |
| 05:43.03 | george | yeah |
| 05:43.42 | ToxicSun | i just tried to install jre for mozilla |
| 05:43.54 | ToxicSun | and i closed all the windows after linking the software |
| 05:43.58 | zinx | lunitik: uhm, run screensavers when you're not using it? |
| 05:44.16 | lunitik | ToxicSun: 'sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin' |
| 05:44.17 | ToxicSun | and the enable java buttons were already clicked, so i opened it back up and it still didnt work |
| 05:44.22 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 05:44.33 | ToxicSun | thanks, i shouldve checked but i was told it wouldnt have it... thank you |
| 05:44.36 | lunitik | zinx: for a short time, sure... |
| 05:44.46 | lunitik | george: GPU sure |
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| 05:45.01 | zinx | they use CPU too |
| 05:45.01 | zinx | most of them, anyway |
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| 05:45.44 | lunitik | zinx: Its set to turn off the monitor when Screensaver's are going for a certain amount of time... they are still running when the monitors off? |
| 05:46.04 | zinx | lunitik: i wouldn't doubt it |
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| 05:46.14 | VivekVC | Can i get a link to a URL that helps me set a proxy for apt. Thanks in advance. |
| 05:46.46 | lunitik | VivekVC: google yourself.... thats all anyone else would do :/ |
| 05:47.28 | lunitik | ToxicSun: well, actually only Sid has that... meh |
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| 05:47.44 | VivekVC | lunitik: Thanks for that advice. |
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| 05:48.04 | ToxicSun | lunitik what is sid |
| 05:48.24 | lunitik | !sid |
| 05:48.25 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 05:48.58 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 05:49.01 | george | so essentially they put the kid in jail :) |
| 05:49.10 | george | he'll never be released |
| 05:49.11 | iLLf8d | can anyone recommend a good irc proxy? |
| 05:49.19 | ToxicSun | im using sarge... i cant apt-get jre? |
| 05:49.32 | lunitik | george: For what its worth, apparently 70% of Debian users use Sid.... |
| 05:49.36 | ToxicSun | that kid was mean, george burning toys |
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| 05:49.53 | george | george burns! |
| 05:49.53 | lunitik | ToxicSun: if you want a desktop, you don't want Sarge |
| 05:49.58 | ToxicSun | haha but im an idiot... it didnt sound conducive to me |
| 05:50.10 | ToxicSun | oh... thats what i want |
| 05:50.24 | lunitik | ToxicSun: use Etch at least... |
| 05:50.43 | george | lunitik: that would make them a support nightmare |
| 05:50.56 | lunitik | ToxicSun: Sarge is like almost 2 years old.... makes for an awful desktop |
| 05:51.03 | george | 70%?? are you sure it's that high? |
| 05:51.13 | lunitik | george: according to stats... yes |
| 05:51.18 | ToxicSun | what are these called (sarge, sid, and etch) releases? |
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| 05:51.35 | lunitik | ToxicSun: what do you mean? |
| 05:51.37 | george | !codenames |
| 05:51.37 | dpkg | it has been said that codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 05:51.46 | ToxicSun | oh ok, thanks george |
| 05:51.59 | iLLf8d | its missing the upcoming codename milf |
| 05:52.05 | ToxicSun | haha |
| 05:52.21 | iLLf8d | they figured they'd move to a different kinda toy story |
| 05:52.38 | george | dildo story! |
| 05:53.02 | ToxicSun | hahaha |
| 05:53.13 | george | it's illfed's fault! |
| 05:53.15 | ToxicSun | i was berated for asking if a user was female the other day |
| 05:53.19 | lunitik | I thought these kinds of people were why Ubuntu was started :/ |
| 05:53.21 | ToxicSun | i felt dumb |
| 05:53.21 | iLLf8d | hey I didn't get rude |
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| 05:53.43 | ToxicSun | no, lunitik, thats people like me |
| 05:53.56 | george | iLLf8d: no but you led us down a different path :) |
| 05:54.09 | iLLf8d | oh please we all know the path you were on |
| 05:54.11 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 05:54.22 | george | !tsc_codenames |
| 05:54.22 | dpkg | it has been said that tsc_codenames is "Debian codenames come from Toy Story, Tech Support Crew Codenames come from stupidity." See separate entries for: MashPotato (2.2), Viagra (2.3/3.0). |
| 05:54.52 | ToxicSun | tech support crew? |
| 05:55.25 | ToxicSun | is that a group of people that work for debian |
| 05:55.42 | lunitik | ToxicSun: no one works for Debian |
| 05:55.51 | ToxicSun | well thats what i thought |
| 05:56.31 | ToxicSun | but its capitolized(sp) so i was wondering if they meant in general or their tech support |
| 05:57.45 | ToxicSun | hmmmm i didnt partition my /home directory so if i upgraded to etch id lose all my files lest i burn them |
| 05:57.47 | ToxicSun | correct? |
| 05:58.06 | Wyzard | no, upgrading doesn't involve reformatting |
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| 05:58.14 | ToxicSun | oh hello wyzard |
| 05:58.18 | ToxicSun | long time no see |
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| 05:58.51 | george | what are the javas from etch |
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| 05:59.58 | Wyzard | java-package |
| 06:00.01 | Wyzard | make-jpkg |
| 06:00.31 | ToxicSun | ? |
| 06:00.37 | george | that's the only way in etch?? |
| 06:01.01 | george | or are there jres and sdks directly in debian packages? |
| 06:01.24 | streuner_ | !tell george about search |
| 06:01.55 | ayaa | I have this problem with xserver: Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0), how to know wich package can provide this module ? |
| 06:03.58 | george | maybe you can tell me what to search for; I have no idea what such packages would be called, and I already looked in pool/ |
| 06:04.06 | streuner_ | !tell george about java install |
| 06:04.22 | streuner_ | !tell george about install java |
| 06:04.37 | george | been ther. done that. will NOT support newer versions of java. |
| 06:04.52 | george | maybe if you KNOW, you can help |
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| 06:05.17 | george | I've -tried- all these things, I'm not your normal idiot |
| 06:05.32 | ToxicSun | !tell toxicsun about install java |
| 06:05.37 | george | if I ask a question you can damn well bet I've researched it |
| 06:05.44 | ToxicSun | !tell toxicsun about java install |
| 06:05.52 | Wyzard | george: If the new official Java packages haven't made it into testing yet, then make-jpkg is the only way |
| 06:05.57 | ToxicSun | haha george you are making me feel bad |
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| 06:07.10 | george | Wyzard: ok, so they're in sid at this point (or maybe some of them)? |
| 06:07.18 | streuner_ | george: dude, your statements sucks |
| 06:07.43 | george | see I couldn't find any of those new packages, and I was looking in pool/ |
| 06:07.59 | streuner_ | be more friendly in order to expect help |
| 06:08.39 | Wyzard | george: The sun-java5 stuff has been in sid for a month or two |
| 06:08.42 | streuner_ | according to the factoid java packages are only in unstable |
| 06:08.45 | george | I've been friendly... I've been helping your constituents so you didn't have to do so, or even say "read (insert doc here)" |
| 06:09.20 | george | and they're not going to leak because etch is basically frozen, yes? |
| 06:09.44 | LoneWlf | what's the command for selecting the closest mirror on debian? the one that rewrites your sources.list for you? |
| 06:09.46 | george | streuner_: I would say that's more than friendly |
| 06:09.47 | streuner_ | hm, etch isn't frozen yet, AFAIK |
| 06:09.47 | LoneWlf | I can't remember |
| 06:09.53 | george | ok |
| 06:10.04 | ToxicSun | goodnight guys |
| 06:10.08 | streuner_ | but most DD's acting so... |
| 06:10.11 | LoneWlf | 'nite |
| 06:10.21 | george | nite, good luck |
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| 06:11.09 | streuner_ | LoneWlf: apt-setup and choose the mirror within your TLD |
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| 06:11.20 | LoneWlf | TLD? |
| 06:11.28 | streuner_ | !tld |
| 06:11.28 | dpkg | i heard tld is top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
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| 06:11.50 | streuner_ | US mirror is without TLD |
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| 06:12.04 | Wyzard | ...wow |
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| 06:12.12 | ayaa | I have this problem with xserver: Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0), how to know wich package can provide this module ? |
| 06:12.14 | streuner_ | george: so get the package of java.sun.com |
| 06:12.15 | LoneWlf | !netselect-apt |
| 06:12.17 | Wyzard | I just installed Debian using the bootable USB-key method |
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| 06:12.27 | Wyzard | and when it was done the setup, it installed GRUB... to the USB key |
| 06:12.28 | george | streuner_: yeah, got that already |
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| 06:12.58 | george | unfortunately java-package (0.28, the latest) doesn't work on it |
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| 06:13.16 | streuner_ | well, that's the usual behaviour :-) |
| 06:13.16 | george | clonebots |
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| 06:13.32 | george | anothyer |
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| 06:14.15 | george | !ops nico shaniieee narciso_ same IP... clonebots? |
| 06:14.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: george complains about: nico shaniieee narciso_ same IP... clonebots |
| 06:14.20 | george | ? |
| 06:14.34 | george | dpkg: you forgot the ? |
| 06:14.38 | streuner_ | 203.111.234.75 |
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| 06:15.04 | streuner_ | george: no worries, they know what you speaking about... |
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| 06:15.24 | george | another |
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| 06:16.07 | streuner_ | george: tried simple sid package? |
| 06:16.16 | streuner_ | annoying these bots |
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| 06:16.35 | streuner_ | !tell george about simple sid backport |
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| 06:17.04 | streuner_ | george: maybe a possibility to get a package of java then |
| 06:17.05 | black_13 | how do i mount usb device? |
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| 06:17.38 | streuner_ | black_13: usually don't, but the same way like any other |
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| 06:18.32 | streuner_ | thanks "debhelper" |
| 06:18.35 | george | streuner_: yeah, but one thing I'm wondering is how the new java pkgs were made... |
| 06:18.38 | george | I mean... |
| 06:18.41 | black_13 | what /dev entry would be for usb stick |
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| 06:19.12 | george | did the pkgrs take make-jpkg and alter it for the new packages and just put it in the src pkg? |
| 06:20.31 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.52 | streuner_ | if you using usb_storage, its /dev/sd(x) |
| 06:22.30 | george | where (x) replaced w/ a b c etc |
| 06:22.30 | streuner_ | black_13: so you using a camera which supports usb storage? |
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| 06:23.18 | streuner_ | hm, usb stick |
| 06:23.49 | black_13 | mp3 player |
| 06:24.01 | george | so are you trying to write to it |
| 06:24.06 | black_13 | yeah |
| 06:24.39 | george | see if there's something mentioning it in /var/log/ |
| 06:24.45 | george | lotsa files there |
| 06:24.57 | black_13 | yeah lotsa |
| 06:24.59 | streuner_ | black_13: its the same like you using a camera |
| 06:25.22 | streuner_ | black_13: so question is does it use USB storage or not |
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| 06:25.31 | george | have you ever used a usb-equipped camera with linux? :) |
| 06:25.40 | george | oic |
| 06:25.43 | streuner_ | black_13: do you have usb storage module loaded? |
| 06:26.10 | george | now I see why you said camera |
| 06:26.36 | streuner_ | !usb storage |
| 06:26.37 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 06:27.57 | george | say you have a camera A and a mp3 player B both of which support/use usb_storage |
| 06:28.20 | george | can it be arranged that every time I plug A in it always uses the same device? |
| 06:28.51 | black_13 | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 0 2006-11-10 00:23 /dev/sda |
| 06:29.03 | black_13 | says its a floppy |
| 06:29.21 | black_13 | and the device itself says its connected |
| 06:29.27 | george | so if I initially plug in A then B, and then remove them, then plug in B, it will be the same device as it was before |
| 06:29.48 | george | black_13: does /proc/partitions say anything about sda? |
| 06:30.00 | streuner_ | black_13: cat /proc/scsi |
| 06:31.00 | george | streuner_: when did usb go from using the scsi subsystem to using /dev/hd* nodes? |
| 06:31.19 | streuner_ | black_13: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 06:32.02 | black_13 | hang on |
| 06:32.59 | black_13 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tKbKSt76.html |
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| 06:33.58 | george | black_13: ok, grep sda /proc/partitions |
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| 06:35.12 | black_13 | nada |
| 06:35.34 | george | ok try this: |
| 06:35.45 | george | mount /dev/sda /mnt |
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| 06:36.43 | george | you won't be able to do that unless you're root |
| 06:37.14 | black_13 | oh im root |
| 06:37.32 | george | ok :) so, anything? |
| 06:37.38 | black_13 | nope no love |
| 06:37.45 | george | what happened? |
| 06:38.14 | black_13 | mount /dev/sda /mnt/sansa |
| 06:38.25 | black_13 | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 06:38.42 | george | exists /mnt/sansa?? |
| 06:39.07 | black_13 | yeah i made the directory |
| 06:39.08 | pstickne | you likely want /dev/sdaX |
| 06:39.41 | george | pstickne: I assumed that too, but there is nothing in /proc/partitions |
| 06:39.48 | pstickne | if it ever tells you need to specify a filetype, chances are high that it can't find any valid (common FS) |
| 06:39.52 | george | that match grep sda |
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| 06:40.12 | george | we'll try vfat just to be sure |
| 06:40.19 | pstickne | use fdisk or something to view the partition table |
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| 06:40.26 | pstickne | it might be the wrong device |
| 06:40.44 | black_13 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3Jxi7p28.html |
| 06:40.44 | pstickne | (USB devices are bastards and like to move around) |
| 06:41.00 | deadcat | i cant seem to enable dma on an external enclosure drive. what up. HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument |
| 06:41.10 | george | so fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 06:41.30 | black_13 | well im getting tired of this and i have work |
| 06:41.34 | black_13 | thanks for the help |
| 06:42.03 | george | black_13: if you can give us a couple more mins, there's two things left |
| 06:42.10 | peterS | ahh, nice to see debhelper noticed our little clonebot problem |
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| 06:42.27 | george | they didn't do anything |
| 06:42.29 | deadcat | george: that for me? the fdisk thing? |
| 06:42.39 | streuner_ | no |
| 06:42.41 | black_13 | yeah i have to drop this |
| 06:42.43 | george | I noticed them right away |
| 06:42.45 | peterS | george: right, but that many copies of someone/something coming in at once, you just know they were up to no good |
| 06:42.54 | black_13 | i have problems i with templates |
| 06:43.14 | george | black_13: templates in what context |
| 06:43.34 | george | peterS: hence I did the /ops |
| 06:43.45 | george | but they hadn't started in yet |
| 06:43.54 | peterS | right. fortunately debhelper was smart enough to notice too, a bit later when they really flooded (: |
| 06:44.09 | peterS | I was afk for the past 8 hours or so, until just now |
| 06:44.24 | deadcat | how do i check if my hdd is NOT dma enabled? hdparm -v only shows 3 lines and none say dma |
| 06:44.42 | deadcat | readonly, readahead and geometry |
| 06:44.55 | george | peterS: yeah, they're good |
| 06:45.41 | george | where in the world is carmen san de ag o |
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| 06:45.50 | peterS | hehe. yeah, of course they closed with that one |
| 06:46.08 | peterS | I don't think over the course of the evening that I detected them making even _one_ mistake. they're very tight. |
| 06:46.16 | george | yep |
| 06:46.37 | deadcat | how do i enable DMA on a hdd with usb enclosure? |
| 06:46.48 | george | never saw any mistakes on the show either... and I have a VERY good harmonic ear, trained very well |
| 06:47.12 | peterS | george: me too, their pitch was excellent. pitch and rhythmic timing, that's the two hard things to get right |
| 06:47.24 | george | ever see take 6? |
| 06:47.34 | peterS | I have not. they make good music though, from their CDs |
| 06:47.49 | george | they're even tighter if that's possible |
| 06:47.59 | peterS | that would be something |
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| 06:48.14 | peterS | if I'd caught rockapella making even one mistake ... but I didn't |
| 06:48.14 | george | here they come :P |
| 06:48.20 | peterS | heh |
| 06:48.25 | deadcat | no love on DMA? |
| 06:48.39 | george | show me da lub! |
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| 06:49.05 | peterS | deadcat: how do you know dma isn't enabled, anyway? |
| 06:49.17 | peterS | I mean, does linux even give you that information for a USB disk? |
| 06:49.18 | george | take 6 is probably the most impressive vocal group I've ever heard |
| 06:49.20 | streuner_ | hdparm |
| 06:49.28 | peterS | streuner_: for a USB disk? |
| 06:49.36 | streuner_ | <deadcat> how do i check if my hdd is NOT dma enabled? hdparm -v only shows 3 lines and none say dma |
| 06:49.40 | deadcat | peterS: just VERY slow.. |
| 06:49.41 | peterS | george: before or after they decided to take up instruments? |
| 06:49.52 | george | they did? when? |
| 06:50.11 | peterS | george: well, like on their third or fourth album they're no longer 100% vocal |
| 06:50.22 | deadcat | its a normal hdd. just in an enclosure. |
| 06:50.24 | peterS | deadcat: common reason for that is it running in usb 1.1 mode instead of usb 2.0 mode. make sure you have the ehci_hcd kernel driver loaded _before_ you plug in the disk |
| 06:50.25 | george | oh, that could very well be a backup band |
| 06:50.32 | streuner_ | deadcat: sounds like USB 1 :-) |
| 06:50.39 | deadcat | peterS: ah. |
| 06:50.56 | peterS | george: yeah I dunno, I was disappointed when I heard that, I was like here they are with _one_ thing they're better at than just about anyone in the world and they make a move to downplay it |
| 06:50.57 | deadcat | i have to wait to type ls. (= |
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| 06:51.19 | peterS | george: maybe they went back to their a cappella style eventually, I haven't followed them in ages |
| 06:51.37 | peterS | ages meaning, at least 10 years (: |
| 06:51.46 | george | kurt elling is impressive too, his tone rocks |
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| 06:57.01 | Wyzard | What's the correct way to force the root filesystem to be fsck'ed upon reboot? |
| 06:57.06 | Wyzard | "touch /forcefsck" doesn't work, oddly |
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| 06:59.28 | peterS | Wyzard: well, the existence of /forcefsck is correct |
| 06:59.41 | peterS | Wyzard: I note that if you also have /fastboot, it will skip the fsck |
| 07:00.05 | peterS | Wyzard: or if the 'pass' field in /etc/fstab for the root filesystem is 0 or missing |
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| 07:03.24 | Wyzard | None of that is the case |
| 07:03.29 | niles | a macromedia flash player video is not playing in my web browser |
| 07:03.34 | Wyzard | It seems to have noticed the forcefsck file, but not actually done a full check |
| 07:03.34 | niles | just sound |
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| 07:07.18 | jazzrocker | hi, we just got a new VPS and i am the main developer so I also get to admin the server |
| 07:07.20 | bokey | hi I am downloading debian3.1r3, do I need to get the whole 13 iso's ? using http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:07.51 | peterS | Wyzard: well, there are three cases: (1) the init script chooses not to do a fsck at all, (2) it runs fsck without -f, so fsck just checks to see if the filesystem was unmounted cleanly, or (3) it forces a full fsck using fsck -f. if you have /forcefsck it should do either (1) or (3). |
| 07:08.07 | peterS | Wyzard: by contrast, if you don't have /forcefsck it will do either (1) or (2) |
| 07:08.17 | jazzrocker | i'm going with debian and i was wondering where a good starting place is... i'm quite familiar with linux admin.. i'd like to know a couple main things: where and how can i get repositories setup and how does debian maintain system services? also are there any gotchas with compiling apache/php/mysql that anyone is aware of? |
| 07:08.46 | peterS | jazzrocker: "/msg dpkg own repo" for a simple way to set up a debian package repository |
| 07:09.36 | bokey | do I need all 13 iso's . Has anyone here installed Debian or is it just too lame a question ? |
| 07:10.11 | Wyzard | peterS: How do I prevent it from doing (1)? |
| 07:10.13 | peterS | jazzrocker: as for compiling things, the simple way to do it is (1) as root, "apt-get build-dep packagename" (and "aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot"), (2) as non-root, 'apt-get -b source packagename', (3) as root, install the resulting .deb files with dpkg -i. however, note that if you aren't going to customise the packages, step 2 will produce binaries essentially identical to the ones you could ... |
| 07:10.20 | peterS | ... download separately, so there isn't all that much point |
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| 07:10.26 | bokey | this channel is full of egos |
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| 07:10.40 | peterS | bokey: yes, and a few bots |
| 07:11.03 | Wyzard | bokey: You would only need all 13 CDs if you wanted to be able to install any package in Debian without need for an Internet connection |
| 07:11.12 | peterS | Wyzard: read the init script, /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh, paying particular attention to instances of "rootcheck=" which is what distinguishes case 1 from cases 2 and 3 |
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| 07:11.46 | Wyzard | bokey: If you have Internet access, you really only need the first CD, or even the more-minimal "netinst" or "businesscard" CD, and packages can be downloaded automatically as needed |
| 07:11.51 | bokey | Wyzard# i've already got the first iso. using wget to get all of them. |
| 07:12.23 | bokey | Wyzard# so I can now install Debian using the first iso. |
| 07:12.36 | Wyzard | yep |
| 07:13.03 | bokey | Wyzard# thanks. =) |
| 07:13.04 | peterS | bokey: yeah, unless the target machine has poor or no internet access, there's not much point getting more than the first CD. most useful software is on the first CD, so you probably won't need to download much stuff after installation |
| 07:13.45 | bokey | peterS# yeah, I got the first cd going to replace the crappy fc3 on my pc. this is my laptop |
| 07:13.46 | peterS | bokey: if you plan to install lots of machines, you might pull down the first 2 CDs, to save download time later. after the first 2, there isn't much point going on, since the CDs are ordered by package popularity, so most of the stuff anyone ever uses is on the first couple CDs anyway |
| 07:13.53 | bokey | peterS# thanks :) |
| 07:14.37 | bokey | peterS# I'll get the second one then instead of the tenth iso. |
| 07:14.39 | bokey | :) |
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| 07:15.13 | peterS | people who download the entire set of 13, or the two DVD images, are probably for the most part wasting their time and bandwidth and CD/DVD media |
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| 07:15.30 | peterS | ...all of which are cheap, for many people, so whatever (: |
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| 07:16.05 | jazzrocker | is the staff group a standard debian group? |
| 07:16.10 | bokey | peterS# thanks for your enlightment. |
| 07:16.16 | jazzrocker | e.g. what is it's function? |
| 07:16.30 | peterS | bokey: yes, but I don't think most people actually use it for anything |
| 07:16.45 | peterS | errrrr |
| 07:16.48 | peterS | that line's for jazzrocker |
| 07:17.07 | bokey | peterS# =) |
| 07:17.44 | bokey | peterS# also is it advisable to use testing ? |
| 07:18.15 | bokey | peterS# testing = unstable release AFAIK ? |
| 07:18.15 | peterS | bokey: for some situations, sure, for others, no. testing is getting quite close to being the next stable, so at this point in the release cycle I'd use it for more things than I would 2 months after a release |
| 07:18.48 | peterS | bokey: testing is not "unstable", those are two separate suites of packages, but it is unstable in the sense that it changes often and sometimes has interesting bugs |
| 07:18.58 | pstickne | but sid is where all the fun is. X7.1 ... now if I only could get these silly ATI drivers working... |
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| 07:19.12 | peterS | what, x 7.1 still isn't in testing? I thought it migrated already |
| 07:19.22 | bokey | peterS# so I am assuming it's not that hard to upgrade from unstable to stable using some package manager ? |
| 07:19.53 | peterS | bokey: if it's an upgrade, you are correct. if it's a _downgrade_, like from unstable to the _current_ stable, then no, that is not supported - you can do it but not too easily and some things occasionally break when you do |
| 07:19.58 | pstickne | I've heard going down is hard. It's easy to go to unstable :P |
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| 07:20.24 | peterS | bokey: so like moving from current testing to the next stable release, due to come out in about a month, _that_ will be easy. |
| 07:20.44 | bokey | peterS# got it. what about wm. are they included with disc 1 iso ? |
| 07:20.45 | peterS | especially since current testing _is_ the next stable release, just not quite finished yet |
| 07:21.00 | bokey | peterS# I am ready to boot using disc 1 now.. finger cross. =) |
| 07:21.06 | peterS | bokey: several window managers are, quite a few are not. last time I counted, Debian had like 49 window managers. that was a couple years ago, we probably have more by now. |
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| 07:22.00 | bokey | peterS# 49! haha.. =) |
| 07:22.24 | peterS | bokey: hold on, I'm counting now.... |
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| 07:23.26 | peterS | bokey: huh. only 50 right now. I expected a few more. well, I notice compiz isn't included in my count, so call it 51 |
| 07:24.14 | peterS | 9wm aewm aewm++ afterstep amaterus asclassic blackbox ctwm dwm enlightenment evilwm fluxbox flwm fvwm fvwm-crystal fvwm-gnome fvwm1 fvwm95 icewm icewm-experimental icewm-lite ion2 ion3 jwm kwin larswm lesstif-bin lwm metacity olvwm olwm openbox oroborus pwm qvwm ratpoison sapphire sawfish tinywm twm uwm vtwm w9wm waimea windowlab wm2 wmaker wmii wmii2 xfwm4 |
| 07:24.21 | peterS | ^^^ 50 window managers in debian unstable |
| 07:24.23 | bokey | peterS# =( the first disc says non-debian cd detected |
| 07:24.46 | peterS | how many of those have _you_ heard of? (: |
| 07:25.00 | bokey | peterS# just one. |
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| 07:25.30 | peterS | note that 'lesstif-bin' does not sound like a window manager but it includes a clone of a very popular old window manager, "mwm", the Motif Window Manager |
| 07:25.42 | pstickne | peterS, too many of them... it gets depressing to try one after another. |
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| 07:26.03 | peterS | huh. interesting, tvtwm is not in that list. has it been dropped from debian? it used to be extremely popular. of course, I'm thinking of 1994 here. |
| 07:26.53 | pstickne | you're also missing kdewm, or is that kwin? |
| 07:26.59 | peterS | pstickne: yeah that's kwin |
| 07:27.03 | peterS | bokey: so the installer boots but it doesn't want to load the install components because it doesn't think the CD is official? ... or what? |
| 07:27.31 | peterS | pstickne: I used this command (grep-available is in the 'grep-dctrl' package): echo $(grep-available -FProvides x-window-manager -sPackage | awk '{print $2}' | sort) |
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| 07:28.00 | bokey | peterS# got it.. some other cd in my other drive. =( heh. |
| 07:28.03 | peterS | I mean in the dctrl-tools package, these days |
| 07:28.08 | peterS | bokey: oh, haha |
| 07:28.13 | peterS | so it was correct (: |
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| 07:28.32 | bokey | peterS# yeah. :) |
| 07:28.45 | peterS | pstickne: it was called grep-dctrl in the olden days, now it's dctrl-tools, so yeah |
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| 07:28.49 | stew | mwm was the default wm when i was in college |
| 07:28.55 | pstickne | man, apt makes you lazy whn it works |
| 07:29.05 | peterS | stew: yep. and you used to see it on NCD X terminals |
| 07:29.35 | peterS | it was also the basis for CDE's dtwm, and IRIX's 4Dwm |
| 07:30.59 | peterS | stew: here's the test of 'crusty old fart' - do you remember olwm, which is still in debian? if not, google for a screenshot and prepare to shudder |
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| 07:31.19 | bokey | peterS# I wish to use ext3 for / partition, is that good or some other like reiser/jfs/xfs ? |
| 07:31.21 | peterS | olwm == OpenLook, the thing SunOS/Solaris used before motif took over the unix world |
| 07:31.56 | peterS | bokey: reiserfs and xfs are faster than ext3, but ext3 is considerably more reliable than reiserfs and many people say it's more reliable than xfs too. jfs is probably reliable but it's dog-slow |
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| 07:32.56 | bokey | peterS# so i'll go for ext3, that's fine but i've got fc3 in it. should I just choose delete the partition (40 gigs). |
| 07:32.57 | pstickne | at least it has windows... |
| 07:32.59 | stew | oh yeah, openlook |
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| 07:33.31 | peterS | stew: openlook was not only ugly but clunky to use. the Solaris 'cmdtool' terminal app was horrible, xterm was soooooo much nicer |
| 07:34.13 | pstickne | I've also heard--although not researched--that ext3 doesn't add much reliability with it's journaling setup over ext3. |
| 07:34.14 | stew | i've never had to spend much time with solaris |
| 07:34.15 | peterS | bokey: delete the partition or don't delete it, that's a personal issue related to whether you want to keep stuff from your old hard drive etc., we can't answer that here |
| 07:34.17 | pstickne | err, ext2 |
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| 07:35.28 | peterS | pstickne: well, ext3 adds journaling which guarantees structural integrity of the filesystem. that buys two things - peace of mind against the fs getting screwed up, and waiting for long fsck times after you shut down uncleanly. (the second is what most people care about, with modern hard drive sizes it takes _forever_ to fsck an ext2 filesystem) |
| 07:35.36 | bokey | peterS# I didn't want it. So i deleted it, now it's logical partition isn't it ? (i've got 2 ide drives the second one is hdb with 40 gigs). |
| 07:35.54 | bokey | peterS# i don't think it's going to be primary partition. =) |
| 07:36.10 | peterS | pstickne: the structural integrity is important, but ext2 has e2fsck which has a long history of almost always being able to recover the structure of your fs, so most people just aren't that afraid of ext2 because the tools have been quite good for a long time |
| 07:36.38 | peterS | bokey: don't ask me if something on your machine is a primary or a logical partition. you can create both, I don't know what the installer produces by default. |
| 07:36.42 | bokey | umm.. i c. |
| 07:37.23 | peterS | I'm exactly the wrong person to ask how _your_ hard drive is currently arranged. my feed to your overhead webcam isn't working properly at the moment so it's hard to see what's on your laptop screen from here |
| 07:38.01 | bokey | peterS# =:) that's cool. I won't ask my specific question. |
| 07:38.27 | deadcat | you guys recommend initng? |
| 07:38.50 | bokey | peterS# should I go for formatting or leave it without formatting.. now i do not know of any advantage of formatting over *not* formatting.. or is it advisable to format ? |
| 07:38.56 | peterS | pstickne: contrast e2fsck with reiserfsck - one thing that scares me away from reiserfs is the historical fact that they never spent much time polishing their fsck tool, so it was unreliable. they figured "with journaling we don't need a real fsck" and it showed. if I don't feel like the fsck tool is solid, I have very little faith in the filesystem as a whole |
| 07:39.46 | peterS | bokey: if you don't need your old data, go ahead. I don't remember what the installer does if you choose not to erase your root filesystem - somehow it must just overwrite the installation or something but that seems really suboptimal |
| 07:40.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:40.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:41.15 | bokey | peterS# i c..I am going for 1 indoe per 4 mb. is that advisable ? |
| 07:41.26 | bokey | s/indoe/inode |
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| 07:41.53 | peterS | bokey: number of inodes == number of files you can store on the fs. 1 inode per 4 MB means that your average file size will have to be at least 4 MB, or you will run out of inodes before your disk is full. does that seem reasonable? |
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| 07:42.17 | peterS | note, that's _average_ file size, not like minimum file size or anything |
| 07:42.43 | master_tux | I have a stuborn process that refuses to close. How do I get its PID so I can send Kill to it? |
| 07:42.46 | peterS | if you run out of inodes, it just means you can't create any new files. you can still enlarge your existing files. |
| 07:42.48 | bokey | peterS# ahh ok. choose the standard one then. thanks heaps |
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| 07:43.01 | peterS | master_tux: 'pidof' or 'ps ux | grep...' |
| 07:43.11 | dendrite | bokey: master_tux Or pgrep/pkill |
| 07:43.27 | roleypolinde | Great, I've got someone I know claiming hackers are in her computer, but for once I think it's legit |
| 07:43.28 | dendrite | Argh. |
| 07:43.30 | bokey | dendrite# ?? |
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| 07:43.36 | peterS | right or pgrep, I always forget pgrep. pkill I don't like because it doesn't give me the opportunity to verify that it's the process I intend (: |
| 07:43.38 | dendrite | master_tux: pgrep/pkill |
| 07:43.46 | dendrite | bokey: That was misdirected, sorry. |
| 07:43.53 | ddifof | hello everybody |
| 07:43.54 | bokey | dendrite# =) cool |
| 07:44.15 | dendrite | peterS: I've had similar misgivings about pkill. |
| 07:44.51 | roleypolinde | Does anyone know some good anti-hacking tools? |
| 07:44.57 | ddifof | is anyone running Netbackup Server 6 on debian? What problems should I expect ? |
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| 07:45.03 | bokey | peterS# mount options. none of the options are ticked in the standard options. the options are noatime, nodev,nosuid,noexec,ro,sync,usrquota and grpquota.. is it advisable to leave it as it is ? |
| 07:45.06 | dendrite | roleypolinde: Alcohol seems to stop hacking. |
| 07:45.46 | bokey | peterS# i.e., mount options for / fs. |
| 07:46.01 | roleypolinde | dendrite: vodka or whiskey? |
| 07:46.20 | dendrite | roleypolinde: Seriously, your question is so broad as to be silly. And you probably mean "cracking", or "tools to defend against intrusion or escalation attacks." |
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| 07:46.33 | peterS | bokey: defaults are chosen for a reason. if you don't know what they do, don't touch them. if you are curious you can always read abou those options later ('man 8 mount') and change them ('vi /etc/fstab') |
| 07:46.36 | ddifof | nobody? shit, i'll have to go with redhat then... :-( |
| 07:46.37 | dendrite | roleypolinde: Vodka for russian hackers, whiskey for those from the US. |
| 07:47.09 | bokey | peterS# yeah, i can but they are for / fs which means I can't change them because they would have already been mounted. no ? |
| 07:47.20 | roleypolinde | Actaually I was thinking of honeypotting the window's box he's hacking into |
| 07:47.24 | peterS | bokey: of course you can, you just have to reboot for certain options to take effect |
| 07:47.27 | stew | neato, cplay just crashed |
| 07:47.43 | peterS | stew: that's pretty cool. crashed with a python traceback, or...? |
| 07:47.49 | bokey | peterS# ok. =8) |
| 07:47.53 | roleypolinde | Basically dealing with some jagoff who's comprimised a friend's windows boxen and appears to be stealing some rather important information like banking info |
| 07:47.59 | dendrite | roleypolinde: And honey pots are an entire other angle. You see, the cat and mouse game that is security is very very complex and large. |
| 07:48.05 | pstickne | http://www.meow.org.uk/stan/xserver/dumps.html ... for those olwm fans |
| 07:48.23 | roleypolinde | Stupidly complex, I used to take networking classes |
| 07:48.26 | stew | peterS: yes, i'm goin to see if i can reproduce it |
| 07:48.45 | peterS | pstickne: that's pretty hot |
| 07:49.09 | bokey | peterS# finger cross creating ext3 in / .. :P |
| 07:49.44 | dendrite | pstickne: Insane! =) |
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| 07:49.48 | roleypolinde | dendrite=Is there a way to traceback someone so my friend might be able to file a police report? |
| 07:49.59 | peterS | bokey: honestly, the installer is pretty good, if you just hit Enter about 15 times from start to finish, and do nothing else, you get a working system. it's mainly when you decide to customise the install that you have a chance of screwing it up (: |
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| 07:50.16 | roleypolinde | dendrite: I wouldn't be concerned except I think they stole some banking information |
| 07:50.29 | dendrite | roleypolinde: No idea under windows. It's problematic, since even if you got an IP address, that may be of a previously compromised machine, and so on. |
| 07:50.35 | roleypolinde | oh naturally |
| 07:50.36 | peterS | bokey: one of the developers likes to say, truthfully, that installing a debian system requires fewer keystrokes than entering the Windows product license key |
| 07:50.47 | roleypolinde | but perhaps we're dealing with ignorance and could be lucky |
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| 07:50.50 | pstickne | clean the machine, lock it down and make sure you shore up the banks, passwords, etc. |
| 07:50.51 | bokey | peterS# =) hehh.. it seems you know deb inside out. :) |
| 07:50.58 | tato | are there any gui programs for ripping websites onto harddrive? |
| 07:51.01 | amit | can anybody help me? using debian-testing and can't load x cuz of unloaded kernel module |
| 07:51.07 | roleypolinde | for example the hacker is using an MSN hotmail account to send the trojian in the first place |
| 07:51.08 | peterS | bokey: I _have_ been using it since about 1997, so one would think I'd learn a few things by now |
| 07:51.11 | pstickne | tato, wget isn't good enough? :( |
| 07:51.17 | tato | no |
| 07:51.17 | roleypolinde | I just yelled at her to wipe and reinstall windows and get off the internet |
| 07:51.22 | stew | peterS: http://paste.debian.net/16420 |
| 07:51.29 | dendrite | roleypolinde: Well, an IP address and accurate (very accurate) time stamping on intrusion logs is pretty much the minimum forensic data you'd need. |
| 07:51.41 | bokey | peterS# geez.. that's a while |
| 07:51.56 | peterS | stew: funky. what did you do to cause that, do you know? |
| 07:51.59 | roleypolinde | Dendrite=So many zombie boxes accessing computers too, I'm not sure if it's possible |
| 07:52.09 | stew | peterS: haven't reproduced it yet, but i had sent cplay away to another desktop, a few seconds later it had crashed |
| 07:52.18 | dendrite | roleypolinde: Well, yeah, it's a big damn mess out there. |
| 07:52.37 | dendrite | roleypolinde: Don't even get me started on DRE voting machines... |
| 07:52.45 | peterS | stew: well, the error is from python curses, so who knows what component is _actually_ at fault |
| 07:52.53 | amit | hey guys, i tried modprobe savage, and it says can't find savage (savage is a video card by the way) ...using kernel 2.6.8 and it supports savage :) |
| 07:53.07 | pstickne | roleypolinde, educate her, fix the issues, talk to the bank(s) and drive on :-/ |
| 07:53.13 | roleypolinde | quite |
| 07:53.24 | peterS | amit: what exact video card do you have? 'lspci | grep VGA' will tell |
| 07:53.26 | pstickne | amit, there are still machines with that chipset? O.o |
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| 07:53.32 | roleypolinde | It's more annoying she won't just yank the box and format |
| 07:53.39 | stew | peterS: its your fault |
| 07:53.42 | amit | well.i know it:) S3 Graphics PROSavage DDR |
| 07:54.04 | peterS | amit: let me look up the savage kernel module and see if that card model is supported. this'll take a few moments |
| 07:54.10 | bokey | peterS# one question, is this strange only to me or is it that linux kernel run on 2 concurrent developments ? and 2.4.27 seems pretty old. no ? |
| 07:54.22 | amit | peterS: yes..and I checked the config file of ma kernel..it says that the savage supports has been compiled in as modules |
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| 07:54.51 | dendrite | amit: Try savagefb module. |
| 07:55.05 | amit | dendrite: yes sir...hold :) |
| 07:55.07 | peterS | amit: there are two savage modules - one for DRI (3D rendering), which I don't think is included in 2.6.8 - and the other for plain framebuffer use, the 'savagefb' module. which were you wanting? |
| 07:55.17 | amit | dendrite: nope..not found :( |
| 07:55.37 | amit | peterS: the plain framebuffer one.. |
| 07:55.46 | amit | peterS: this card has only 32MB of Video RAM |
| 07:55.47 | peterS | amit: oh, hmmm, it seems savagefb didn't exist in 2.6.8 either. |
| 07:56.12 | dendrite | amit: might be worthwhile to toss in a newer kernel... |
| 07:56.12 | amit | peterS: i guess i should try prosavage..cuz i can see it in the output of grep ... |
| 07:56.15 | peterS | amit: both exist in newer kernels, so you might check http://backports.org/ to pull down a newer kernel for sarge |
| 07:56.28 | amit | peterS: this is testing |
| 07:56.46 | amit | peterS: i mean..i did a dist-upgrade with only the few basic components installed |
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| 07:57.12 | peterS | amit: but you said it's kernel 2.6.8, which is from stable. anyway, so, you can install linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 (I think that's the package name) from testing and boot into that |
| 07:57.43 | amit | thats good |
| 07:57.53 | dendrite | amit: That's assuming you're running a 686 arch machine, of course... |
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| 07:58.00 | amit | peterS: yes..i don't know why the kernel didn't upgrade |
| 07:58.05 | peterS | dendrite: I don't think 586-class machines had savage video chips built in |
| 07:58.07 | amit | dendrite: yes.. |
| 07:58.09 | dendrite | amit: apt-cache search ^linux-image |
| 07:58.15 | dendrite | amit: NM then. |
| 07:58.18 | amit | dendrite: yeah..did that already |
| 07:58.34 | peterS | amit: because the kernel never upgrades automatically, it's one of those things users want more manual control of, so different kernel versions get separate packages that you can choose to install or remove independently |
| 07:58.37 | dendrite | peterS: I don't know that I've ever seen a savage chip... |
| 07:58.43 | peterS | dendrite: common on some laptops |
| 07:58.53 | dendrite | peterS: Gotcha. |
| 07:59.15 | amit | peterS: dendrite..will apt-get automatically install the kernel...or is it gonna download the kernel source for me? |
| 07:59.19 | pstickne | I had -17 installed over -16 automatically in a general upgrade |
| 07:59.25 | dendrite | amit: Install. |
| 07:59.26 | amit | peterS: dendrite and then make and make menuconfig thingy? |
| 07:59.33 | amit | dendrite: oh..okay |
| 07:59.34 | peterS | amit: if you install 'linux-image-2.6.17-2-686' it will just install a binary |
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| 07:59.54 | pstickne | even if you install the source you need to manually unpack it. or use some command I'm not aware of. |
| 08:00.01 | peterS | amit: no menuconfig or anything, it just installs something debian already built. which is honestly good enough for most users, though a lot of people don't believe that and still want to build their own (: |
| 08:00.20 | dendrite | peterS: There's always gentoo... =) |
| 08:00.31 | peterS | amit: I used to always build my own kernels but the debian kernel team has been quite good over the past couple years so I trust them to build kernels that are just as good as mine, nowadasy |
| 08:00.31 | amit | peterS: one more thing...do i need to create a apt.conf file? |
| 08:00.53 | peterS | amit: apt.conf is optional, if you don't have specific need to control specific options I wouldn't bother to create one |
| 08:00.56 | amit | peterS: cuz i don't see it by default.. |
| 08:01.09 | bokey | peterS# I have got X working. do I need 2nd iso for wm and gdm/kdm stuffs |
| 08:01.10 | bokey | ? |
| 08:01.25 | peterS | the main apt config files people really need is /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 08:02.06 | george | bokey: you don't really need any isos |
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| 08:02.06 | amit | amit: yes..but see..i have included the testing deb URL in source.list and i have basically installed this from a Sarge CD and did a dist-upgrade...so do i need to mention in apt.conf to always use the testing DEBs? |
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| 08:02.06 | dendrite | bokey: Instead of downloading ISO images, consider setting up apt to just download wanted packages directly... |
| 08:02.06 | peterS | bokey: I do not know offhand what files are on what CDs. what's the point, just install the packages using the 'aptitude' package manager frontend and if it needs to download something off the net, so bet i |
| 08:02.07 | peterS | so be it |
| 08:02.07 | george | george: could you tell me what amit's saying? |
| 08:02.08 | peterS | it all happens automatically, you don't have to worry about it |
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| 08:02.32 | amit | george: ..lol |
| 08:02.57 | peterS | amit: if you don't have an apt.conf, apt will always pull down packages from whatever repositories are in sources.list. with very few exceptions, it just looks for the latest version that seems to be available |
| 08:03.22 | dendrite | amit: And building on what peterS just said, for most folks, that's good enough. |
| 08:03.26 | amit | peterS: sounds good :) |
| 08:03.29 | bokey | peterS# I'll be back after getting some of the action going...thanks george, dendrite and finally the "zen" peterS. =) |
| 08:03.49 | dendrite | amit: Put another way, you're generally safe in debian going with the defaults, and when you learn that the defaults are sub-optimal, you can make adjustments at that time... |
| 08:03.50 | peterS | is that zen as in eastern philosophy, or zen as in the german word for 10? |
| 08:04.18 | bokey | zen- as in "zen" the master. hehe.. |
| 08:04.21 | bokey | :) |
| 08:04.23 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:04.37 | george | how many peterSes are there?? |
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| 08:04.58 | fhffhqvb | george: lol |
| 08:06.08 | peterS | oooh, fhffhqvb is here |
| 08:06.24 | amit | dendrite: yeah...quite true :) okay..one more thing...apt-get keeps asking me whether you want to install packages without verification...does it mean that none of the packages are signed? and I am using ftp.debian.org! |
| 08:06.27 | george | so is trbetr!! |
| 08:06.31 | peterS | fhffhqvb: also, I know what you just did but I didn't react quite quickly enough |
| 08:06.53 | fhffhqvb | !lose peterS |
| 08:06.54 | dpkg | peterS: You Lose. |
| 08:07.22 | bokey | i accidently pressed cancel in the apt configure (using interenet) to download packages.. what's the command now ? baseconfig ??? |
| 08:07.33 | bokey | i accidently pressed cancel in the apt configure (using interenet) to download packages.. what's the command now ? baseconfig ??? |
| 08:07.37 | peterS | george: ah so you recognise the general pattern of letters in fhffhqvb |
| 08:07.43 | bokey | i am in x atm |
| 08:08.00 | peterS | bokey: might be base-config, might just be aptitude, I have no idea what stage you're at |
| 08:08.00 | pstickne | dpkg-reconfigure foo #? |
| 08:08.00 | george | no, I just noticed he's a Collins fan... |
| 08:08.05 | amit | peterS: hey man..forgot to ask you this..i can't find base-config option on ma system!! |
| 08:08.14 | george | then it all came into place :) |
| 08:08.58 | peterS | amit: once you've configured the system you rarely have to run that again anyway. what part were you interested in changing? there's usually a 'dpkg-reconfigure _____' for it. alternatively, install 'configure-debian' and run that, it will pop up a menu showing what packages _can_ usefully be "dpkg-reconfigure"d |
| 08:09.16 | bokey | the first time I booted deb, i got into this set up screen, what's the command to get it back on again ? |
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| 08:09.34 | bokey | peterS# sorry for not being clearer |
| 08:09.56 | amit | yeah..i know dpkg-reconfigure ..but base-config has other options too, right? i don't exactly remember..but i guess i can configure ma video card from base-config? NO?? :P |
| 08:10.10 | george | peterS: ohh, nice... in sarge? |
| 08:10.10 | bokey | peterS# yeah, base-config with root user. :) |
| 08:10.22 | peterS | amit: you configure your video card via 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. or, on testing/unstable, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 08:10.22 | bokey | peterS# yet again. the "zen" proves himself. |
| 08:10.24 | bokey | =) |
| 08:10.34 | peterS | george: yes, configure-debian is in sarge |
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| 08:10.55 | amit | peterS: lol..didn't even think of doing that!! :P thanks :) |
| 08:11.09 | george | so does it offer some sort of ui for doing said configure? or it just provides a list? |
| 08:11.30 | peterS | george: it's just a menu frontend to dpkg-reconfigure, listing packages that have reconfigure scripts. nothing fancy. |
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| 08:11.57 | george | gotcha |
| 08:12.14 | peterS | the name sounds a bit grandiose but the actual implementation is, you know, _nice_ but not _mind-blowing_ |
| 08:12.26 | george | still sounds quite useful, even if it only provided a list |
| 08:12.40 | amit | peterS: oh yeah..lol..now i know that i had tried it already..i used the expert26 option on the sarge cd and then selected to change all the options..via an editor (i don't remember it offered me a graphical option) so now, i get these text files whenever i run dpkg...not many options in those files..:D |
| 08:12.57 | SerajewelKS | does debian have any programs that will burn CPU, but verify that operations it performs are done correctly? e.g. for testing my system stability and error rates while overclocking. |
| 08:13.08 | peterS | amit: you can 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' if you desire |
| 08:13.10 | george | amit: you can change that if you want |
| 08:13.16 | peterS | amit: I bet that's the setting you're talking about |
| 08:13.23 | amit | peterS: :) |
| 08:13.26 | george | by doing what one of the peterSes said :) |
| 08:13.34 | amit | peterS: absolutely |
| 08:14.00 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: apt-cache search stress i guess |
| 08:14.13 | peterS | SerajewelKS: there is 'cpuburn'. I don't know how much it verifies that the CPU is doing everything correctly - it's mainly for stressing the system (like making sure your fans are working well, by making them necessary) |
| 08:14.16 | amit | peterS: oh..it says its locked..maybe cuz of the kernel installation procedure going on |
| 08:14.35 | peterS | amit: if you are running 'aptitude' or another install frontend, you can't reconfigure at the same time. I think. |
| 08:14.47 | amit | apt-get :) |
| 08:14.50 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: i did try that, the results weren't all that relevant i thought |
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| 08:15.15 | peterS | amit: apt-get is all very well but aptitude works better for most uses, nowadays. so I generally type 'aptitude install' whenever I'm tempted to type 'apt-get install' |
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| 08:15.40 | peterS | not that apt-get is _wrong_ or anything, aptitude just has more features and tends to handle dependency resolution more intelligently |
| 08:15.42 | amit | hmm..never got around with aptitude well..can't handle it properly :D |
| 08:15.53 | bokey | getting iso 2, since i use adsl and not ppp =( |
| 08:16.00 | amit | apt-get..apt-cache are fine for me :) will give aptitude a shot though :) |
| 08:16.06 | peterS | there's aptitude the full-screen interface but there's also aptitude the command-line program, which acts a lot like just a better apt-get |
| 08:16.19 | bokey | peterS# on the good side deb is up and running.. which is good. =) |
| 08:16.32 | amit | peterS: aptitude command line?? |
| 08:16.33 | SerajewelKS | peterS: better maybe, but 2X slower to start up, and a lot slower at searching |
| 08:16.59 | peterS | bokey: adsl and not ppp? what does you adsl line run on, just DHCP and straight ethernet packets? |
| 08:17.09 | amit | peterS: i only know the fullscreen one..but is there any difference between those two command line programs? anything significant as such? |
| 08:17.23 | george | bokey: it |
| 08:17.25 | george | err |
| 08:17.27 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yeah I rarely use 'aptitude search' unless I want to do some sort of advanced search, in which case half the time I just use grep-available |
| 08:17.28 | bokey | peterS# ppp = dialup ? |
| 08:17.41 | george | bokey: it's good when good things happen on the good side... |
| 08:17.49 | peterS | bokey: ppp is also used for a lot of ADSL lines, in a mode called "PPP over Ethernet" or pppoe for short |
| 08:17.52 | Malagmyr | "cifs filesystem not supported by the system". How can I get cifs support? Sarge, kernel 2.4.27 |
| 08:18.01 | george | bokey: eth uses ppp now too, for some connections |
| 08:18.21 | peterS | Malagmyr: you can't. you can upgrade to a 2.6 kernel which has the 'cifs' module. alternatively 2.4.27 does have the 'smbfs' module, so you can install the 'smbfs' debian package and use that instead |
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| 08:18.29 | george | Malagmyr: you would have to build the module, maybe the whole kernel |
| 08:18.53 | george | oh, peterS implies cifs is not in 2.4 |
| 08:19.06 | Malagmyr | that's what I thought |
| 08:19.07 | Malagmyr | damn |
| 08:19.09 | bokey | peterS# okay, I selected static DNS, then put the primary+secondary ns, then PAP and now apt can't download ? |
| 08:19.20 | peterS | bokey: well, "PPPoE" is sort of misleading, the ADSL line isn't actually ethernet, but many ADSL modems provide an Ethernet interface to the computer, so the _computer_ talks PPPoE and the DSL modem translates that to PPP-over-DSL, which is related to PPP-over-ATM (PPPoA). |
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| 08:20.35 | peterS | Malagmyr: is there a reason you need to use the 'cifs' module as opposed to the 'smbfs' module? they both do the same thing, in general, though their designs are different and cifs has a few more features |
| 08:20.35 | bokey | peterS# umm.. i c. |
| 08:20.37 | SerajewelKS | this system runs cooler overclocked than at spec O_o |
| 08:20.48 | amit | brb fellas :D |
| 08:21.14 | Malagmyr | peterS: I'm having problems with the transfer speed on an smbfs mount. Thought cifs might help. |
| 08:21.18 | peterS | ahh |
| 08:21.39 | stew | tgif |
| 08:21.43 | peterS | Malagmyr: well, sarge ships a 2.6.8 kernel you can use instead, or you can shop on www.backports.org for a 2.6.18-or-so kernel. those have the cifs module. |
| 08:22.00 | bokey | peterS# In reasoning with you which could be fatal (imagine fighting with a zen). but I used smbfs initially and then cifs, I found the difference to be huge (gain in speed) atleast the video quality was so much better. |
| 08:22.33 | peterS | bokey: yeah what do I know, I stopped using SMB almost entirely when I stopped having to use Windows machines, and that was quite a few years ago. the cifs module was pretty new at the time I stopped caring about that world (: |
| 08:22.43 | Malagmyr | peterS: I can't run 2.6, though, as that seems to screw up the system clock. I have to run this thing in a virtual machine, and with kernel 2.6 the clock keeps leaping around like a geek on a ddr pad. |
| 08:22.49 | amit | peterS: how do i get around using the very latest stable kernel as in 2.6.18.2 ? is it found under sid? |
| 08:22.55 | peterS | bokey: you _will_ find me with a 'samba-tng.org' email address, so that's evidence that I used to care about this stuff (: |
| 08:22.59 | Malagmyr | peterS: Guess I'll have to find some other way of doing this. |
| 08:23.10 | bokey | peterS# =) |
| 08:23.36 | peterS | amit: there's some form of 2.6.18 in sid. why do you need "the very latest", anyway? does 2.6.17-2-686 not work properly for you? |
| 08:23.49 | bokey | peterS# it's asking for Tone/Pulse selection ? mine is adsl. what do I choose ? |
| 08:24.08 | amit | peterS: not really...just wanted bleeding edge...like i would select from two options.. |
| 08:24.13 | Malagmyr | peterS: I am fine with recompiling the 2.4 kernel, though, if cifs can be added to that in some way |
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| 08:24.33 | peterS | bokey: you should be able to skip the ppp configuration entirely if you use adsl. you can use the 'pppoeconf' script instead, assuming your DSL line really does use PPP-over-ATM and your DSL modem provides an Ethernet interface |
| 08:25.14 | peterS | Malagmyr: it's been a long time. I don't remember if the cifs module was ever ported to 2.4. I note that it isn't shipped in the 2.4.32 source, which is the latest 2.4 I have sitting here handy |
| 08:25.21 | amit | peterS: i would install this _fine-working_ 2.6.17 kernel and also install the 2.6.18.2 kernel (bleeding edge) just to get a hang of that stuff :P |
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| 08:25.24 | bokey | peterS# thanks.. i'll tune int that |
| 08:25.26 | bokey | :) |
| 08:26.15 | peterS | bokey: it's been close to 3 years I've had DSL, so I haven't run pppoeconf in quite a long time. but back when I did use it, it was very smooth, got me on the net in no time flat |
| 08:27.04 | mick_home | i need to a boot partition at the beginning of the disk that is completely within the first 1023 cylinders of the harddrive. (i'm currently using the daily mini-gtk installer) -- how much space is 1023 cylinders? |
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| 08:27.32 | peterS | bokey: also note that some DSL modems provide NAT services, those are sometimes (misleadingly) called "routers", and in that case the DSL modem itself doesn't expose PPPoE to the computers, it just provides a DHCP server and the computer just uses DHCP and "just works" without any knowledge of the actual PPP protocol used. I'm not real clear on how you tell the DSL modem your PPP user/password, as I don't have such a beast |
| 08:28.27 | peterS | mick_home: are you sure you need the boot partition? PC BIOSes published more recently than about 1998 should be fine with booting much bigger disks |
| 08:28.45 | mick_home | i get grub error 18 |
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| 08:28.55 | mick_home | peterS: that is what i thought |
| 08:29.02 | amit | mick_home: LILO, specifically older versions are known to have a problem with that sort of setup |
| 08:29.04 | peterS | mick_home: well, also, the size of a "cylinder" varies greatly between different hard disks. what does 'cat /proc/ide/hda/geometry' say? |
| 08:29.24 | peterS | amit: where "older" really means "stone-age". lilo has been fine for, I dunno, 6 years? |
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| 08:29.31 | mick_home | peterS: i can't get to that part yet (or how can i get to a commandline during install) |
| 08:29.37 | peterS | mick_home: alt-f2 |
| 08:30.01 | amit | peterS: yeah...quite old versions..they fixed the problem later, right? |
| 08:30.04 | george | amit: and even for the older ones it's easy to solve |
| 08:30.18 | mick_home | peterS: didn't work |
| 08:30.22 | amit | george: true, but i thought the OP was in a similar situation :d |
| 08:30.38 | mick_home | it is a 250 gig drive |
| 08:30.45 | peterS | mick_home: it is the 'logical' line that matters. one of my disks says, for example, "logical 30401/255/63". if you multiply the last 2 numbers by 512 you get the size of a cylinder. so in my case I have 255 * 63 * 512 == 8225280 bytes, or about 8 MB, per cylinder |
| 08:30.54 | amit | mick_home: try alt+F1 |
| 08:31.06 | peterS | alt-f2 doesn't work? that's very strange |
| 08:31.13 | mick_home | didn't work either |
| 08:31.20 | mick_home | it isn't the ncurses installer |
| 08:31.26 | amit | alt+ctrl+F2 ? |
| 08:31.26 | mick_home | it is the gtk one |
| 08:31.34 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose there's a channel specifically for overclocking |
| 08:31.41 | amit | you mean GUI? |
| 08:31.45 | mick_home | amit: worked ;) |
| 08:31.51 | george | amit: having said that, (legacy) grub is much nicer |
| 08:31.52 | mick_home | ya |
| 08:32.18 | peterS | mick_home: anyway, if you create a dedicated partition for /boot, it can be _very_ small - I see no reason on earth for it to ever have to be bigger than about 25 MB. my /boot uses 10 MB and it has 3 kernels in it, which is two more than I really need |
| 08:33.04 | mick_home | 30401/255/63 |
| 08:33.17 | peterS | mick_home: oh ... I missed the fact that you're using the GTK installer. I should have said ctrl-alt-f1, sorry. anyway, yeah, think 8 MB per cylinder, then |
| 08:33.24 | amit | mick_home: but why worry so much about cylinders when you are using pretty new Hardware? |
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| 08:33.58 | mick_home | amit: the grub 18 error - says that this is the problem (from the docs) |
| 08:34.15 | amit | mick_home: oh..okay! |
| 08:34.16 | mick_home | it is a 1.3 Ghz box w/ 500 ram |
| 08:34.17 | peterS | mick_home: how old is this machine? like I said, PC BIOSes newer than around 1998 shouldn't have this problem |
| 08:34.28 | peterS | though I could be off by a couple of years |
| 08:34.33 | mick_home | it must be 2001 or 2002 |
| 08:34.46 | mick_home | peterS: that is what i thought |
| 08:34.58 | mick_home | it ran a 3 gig drive just fine |
| 08:35.03 | amit | george: where can i find a listing of grub errors on my computer...anything like man pages? |
| 08:35.04 | peterS | oh well, if you have to work around it, you have to work around it. I'd use a tiny /boot partition, rather than worry about whether the root partition fits into 1024 cyl. |
| 08:35.24 | mick_home | ya, i contacted HP (i most likely will not hearrr from them) ;) |
| 08:35.45 | mick_home | so i wanted to work around it (openbios won't work and there is no update anywhere for my bios) |
| 08:35.57 | mick_home | ASUS denies ever even making my mobo :-P |
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| 08:36.01 | peterS | amit: 'info grub'. hit tab until you reach the section 'troubleshooting'. |
| 08:36.04 | mick_home | it is really crappy ;) |
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| 08:36.36 | peterS | mick_home: heh |
| 08:36.39 | omry | can I override the default editor on a per user basis? |
| 08:37.05 | peterS | omry: yeah: 'export EDITOR=xemacs21' in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 08:37.26 | peterS | omry: in my case I just do 'source ~/.bashrc' in ~/.bash_profile so I don't have to worry about which one to put stuff in, I just put stuff in ~/.bashrc |
| 08:37.28 | mick_home | ctrl+alt+f6 seems to be an odd compbo to get back |
| 08:37.49 | omry | peterS, thanks. |
| 08:38.03 | mick_home | i'd think it would have been F7 (i figured the X way of doig things would be standard by now) :P |
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| 08:38.52 | peterS | mick_home: yeah who knows why the gtk installer chooses to create a certain number of virtual consoles. I have no idea why the linux world ever standardized on providing only 6 text consoles, that seems a strange number to me, why not 12 so you can use all your function keys |
| 08:39.17 | peterS | mick_home: in fact my /etc/inittab specifies 24 consoles, so I can switch to them with left-alt-f1 through right-alt-12 |
| 08:39.36 | peterS | errr, right-alt-f12 |
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| 08:40.51 | peterS | and X is on console 25, so I can't get to it directly with a function key, I get there with "alt-f1 alt-left" |
| 08:41.59 | mick_home | another thing that seems verrry un-user friendly is the way the partitions are handled |
| 08:42.09 | mick_home | the double click the ">" thing |
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| 08:42.14 | mick_home | under manual |
| 08:42.23 | mick_home | it isn't so intuitive |
| 08:42.35 | mick_home | from a user's perspective |
| 08:42.55 | lunitik | peterS: Wonder if you might know as earlier people were mostly useless... know any way I might measure CPU and GPU temperature? Also, what would be a recommended safe temperature for GPU? |
| 08:42.58 | dondelelcaro | mick_home: that's great! Consider yourself volunteered to help with developing g-i. |
| 08:43.07 | peterS | mick_home: due to the way debian-installer is designed, a widget that _is_ intuitive would be hard to integrate with the rest of the system. it's possible that such a thing has been written, but just not integrated - like qtparted |
| 08:43.11 | pstickne | alt-left/alt-right are so handy for other things. |
| 08:43.36 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: lmsensors is the only way on most machines; your GPU may not have an accessible temperature probe. |
| 08:43.39 | lunitik | peterS: Since plugging in my video card, there has been a noticeable increase in temperature... I'd like to know if its particular a bad things... or kinda expected? |
| 08:44.06 | amit | peterS: tried installing the kernel, and it has come up with some error |
| 08:44.22 | peterS | lunitik: I've no idea how to measure a GPU temperature. CPU temperature is generally monitored with lmsensors and derived software. use 'sensors-detect' from the lm-sensors package to set that up, then use any number of gui monitoring apps to watch it |
| 08:44.31 | amit | peterS: sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code 1! ..whatever that means |
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| 08:44.47 | peterS | amit: that just means it's an error, you have to scroll up to see what the real error was |
| 08:45.02 | lunitik | peterS: dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
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| 08:45.49 | xingu | lunitik: in addition to peterS' comment - remember that the energy consumed by the gpu must be given off in heat |
| 08:46.09 | xingu | lunitik: bet you'd never find a use for the laws of thermodynamics eh? |
| 08:46.17 | peterS | lunitik: yeah the best solution is to buy an S3 ViRGE PCI card, those things don't hardly heat up at all. (: |
| 08:46.41 | mick_home | dondelelcaro: i just volunteered to help openbios and inkscape in 2 days -- don't tempt me |
| 08:46.43 | lunitik | xingu: I'd just like to know if its healthy to be this hot... I've never dealt with a GPU before... and before I plugged it in, the system was a lot cooler |
| 08:46.45 | amit | peterS: mostly, it says its locked by another process or something |
| 08:46.50 | mick_home | i get suckered into OSS projects all the time |
| 08:46.51 | peterS | they even come with impressive OEM brand names, like Diamond Stealth 3D 2000. I mean, that's got to be one cool chip, to have a name like taht. |
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| 08:47.09 | xingu | lunitik: it's healthy, if you can shed it more quickly than it builds up; it's always unhealthy to your budget |
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| 08:47.13 | amit | peterS: i was configuring my xserver at the same time (configuring via editor) ...can that be the culprit? |
| 08:47.18 | lunitik | FWIW, this is an ATI based PCI-e card.... |
| 08:47.22 | peterS | amit: quite possibly yeah |
| 08:47.34 | bokey | umm... getting like 82 pacakges so far |
| 08:47.37 | bokey | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.38 | peterS | lunitik: it might be hard to find a new ViRGE nowadays, I think they stopped making them in about 1996 |
| 08:47.43 | amit | peterS: hmm...i will complete what I am already diong, and then reinstall..that should be okay, isn |
| 08:47.53 | xingu | lunitik: fortunately most cpu's and gpu's have thermal shutoff these days - you'll find your system powering down when it gets to egg-cooking point |
| 08:47.54 | amit | peterS: isn't it..cuz the package is right there on ma hdd now :) |
| 08:48.00 | mick_home | dondelelcaro: btw- how have you been ;) |
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| 08:48.00 | lunitik | xingu: yeah... it seems to have cooled considerably since I started using the box... I think its because of OpenGL based screensavers.... |
| 08:48.06 | peterS | amit: yeah you can restart the kernel install process any time. it will know it doesn't need to re-download. |
| 08:48.44 | xingu | lunitik: entirely probable, the more parts of the engine you turn on, particularly since the notebook fourth and fifth generation stuff, the more power it sucks |
| 08:48.45 | bokey | 85th... :) |
| 08:48.47 | Malagmyr | peterS: Hercules Stingray 128/3D is sitting in my retro gaming box. Never found a card with a cooler name. |
| 08:48.55 | bokey | 86th.. :) |
| 08:49.21 | mick_home | dondelelcaro: i'll write up some things that i find unintuative - would that at least help a bit ;) besides... i haven't dared yet to try and become a DD (I've just been unofficially QAing packages like joomla) |
| 08:49.38 | xingu | lunitik: if you're using a basic 2d window manager with no GL finery then the asic will probably put the spare shaders to sleep |
| 08:49.52 | bokey | currently I use Debian's son, Ubuntu. it's great but I think I am tired of it (a bit). but it's a great distro. |
| 08:49.54 | bokey | =) |
| 08:50.00 | peterS | Malagmyr: I dunno, 'voodoo banshee' sounds pretty neat to me |
| 08:50.12 | lunitik | xingu: thats another thing... this graphics card is not made for this kind of computer (wants Athlon 64 FX 2.4 with 420watts... has Athlon 64 2.2 with 350 or so...) |
| 08:50.23 | xingu | lunitik: if you're trying to engineer for a cool system, go for a designed-for-notebook fifth/sixth generation job like a gfgo7600 or ati1150 or whatever |
| 08:50.34 | lunitik | xingu: the guy at the store said it'd work fine... and it does... but this heating issue is not very nice at all |
| 08:50.42 | dondelelcaro | mick_home: you don't need to be a DD to participate; anyone can submit patches, and iirc, non-dds can be granted svn access |
| 08:50.48 | xingu | lunitik: in that case I wouldn't be worried about heat stress, I'd be worried about the psu going bang under load |
| 08:51.04 | bokey | peterS# pppoeconf worked great and downloading all the packages. where can I find a good repository ? |
| 08:51.05 | lunitik | xingu: psu? |
| 08:51.11 | xingu | lunitik: power supply |
| 08:51.29 | xingu | lunitik: if you put more load on it than it's rated for, you better hope the designer over-engineered it |
| 08:51.30 | lunitik | xingu: yeah, I certainly think that'll be an issue... |
| 08:51.49 | lunitik | xingu: how much do you suppose (us currency) it would cost for a 420watt power supply? |
| 08:51.55 | xingu | not a clue |
| 08:51.57 | amit | peterS: good..now that its done..will grub's menu.lst will have to be edited by hand? |
| 08:52.10 | bokey | peterS# is there a bot service here ? |
| 08:52.13 | mick_home | dondelelcaro: so do i just submit bugs against the d-i ? (each issue separately) -- what ould be the best approach |
| 08:52.13 | peterS | bokey: w00t. 'ftp.au.debian.org' is usually just fine, for debian stuff. I'm guessing the installer already defaulted to that |
| 08:52.16 | bokey | !repository |
| 08:52.16 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 08:52.23 | amit | peterS: also, will it load the savage thing by default now/ |
| 08:52.50 | bokey | peterS# nah.. i mean package repository i got it. :) |
| 08:52.58 | peterS | amit: I'm not sure what video-related modules will be loaded by default at boot time. the hotplug / discover / discover2 / udev packages are sneaky about that sort of thing nowadays |
| 08:53.14 | dondelelcaro | mick_home: I'd suggest actually talking on #debian-boot, and the mailing list with suggestions |
| 08:53.32 | amit | peterS: okay..i will let you know..i will reboot now..again..will i have to edit the menu.lst file by hand>? |
| 08:53.46 | psycodad | which package contains lspci ? |
| 08:53.49 | dondelelcaro | mick_home: you'll have better luck to if you work on patches for some of the problems you have; laundry lists from people who haven't contributed tend to be ignored |
| 08:54.05 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not taken as seriously as suggestions when someone has contributed) |
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| 08:54.13 | peterS | amit: well, read the menu.lst file - it should have been edited for you by the installation of the kernel package |
| 08:54.26 | amit | peterS: :) sure |
| 08:54.40 | dondelelcaro | mick_home: filing bugs after some discussion would be the best next step. |
| 08:54.54 | peterS | mick_home: note, #debian-boot is on irc.debian.org, not this network |
| 08:55.02 | amit | peterS: yup..lol..thanks |
| 08:55.17 | peterS | psycodad: pciutils |
| 08:55.26 | psycodad | thx! |
| 08:55.31 | amit | peterS: also, apt-get keeps asking me whether i wanna install packages without verifying..what does that mean? is it like none of the packages are signed?? |
| 08:55.42 | bokey | peterS# is there a software I can use that can type as i say ? would be nice for xchat :) |
| 08:56.15 | peterS | bokey: speech recognition? not sure what's available in debian, 'apt-cache search speech recognition' is your friend |
| 08:56.16 | xingu | the snob in me says d-i should have a bootlogo that says "you must be this tall to enter" |
| 08:56.31 | Guerin | xingu: s/tall/smart/ |
| 08:56.43 | bokey | peterS# yup. speech recognition =) I'll have a look later. |
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| 08:57.01 | peterS | xingu: nah, it should just say "if you aren't at least this tall, DO NOT SCREW WITH THE DEFAULTS, the installer will do the right thing if you just keep hitting enter, thanks and HAND" |
| 08:57.02 | Guerin | bokey: you have a computer called peterS? And you're root? |
| 08:57.05 | mick_home | dondelelcaro: will do |
| 08:57.11 | xingu | heh |
| 08:57.16 | mick_home | good god, what have i gotten myself into :) |
| 08:57.16 | bokey | peterS# why not apt-get search speech recognition ? |
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| 08:57.22 | bokey | Guerin# haha.. =) |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | bokey: because apt-get gets, it doesn't search |
| 08:57.53 | peterS | bokey: apt-get and apt-cache are separate programs for historical reasons. if you'd rather you can use 'aptitude' for both, but 'aptitude search foo bar' does a search for "foo OR bar" whereas apt-cache search foo bar does a search for "foo AND bar" which is more often what I wnat |
| 08:57.58 | bokey | Guerin# umm... i see but apt-cache searches the cached one not online. |
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| 08:58.20 | peterS | bokey: yes, it searches your cached index. you can update this index with 'apt-get update'. |
| 08:58.20 | amit | peterS: also, apt-get keeps asking me whether i wanna install packages without verifying..what does that mean? is it like none of the packages are signed?? |
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| 08:58.41 | peterS | amit: are you getting the packages from a debian mirror? also, do you have the 'gnupg' package installed? |
| 08:58.45 | xingu | peterS: .... linux26 ... imnoweenieletmeoverridedefaults |
| 08:58.53 | lunitik | xingu: oh, I don't think I thanked you for your input... much appreciated as hardware isn't exactly my specialty :) |
| 08:59.08 | bokey | peterS# umm.. i see.. I need speech recognition.. I could save so much time. |
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| 08:59.41 | Koos | hi :) |
| 08:59.56 | bokey | Koos# hi there. |
| 08:59.59 | amit | peterS: oh ..right..seems there's nothing installed to verify the identity of the packages :D yeah..fetching from the debian official ftp :) |
| 09:00.06 | xingu | lunitik: key to remember is that there's very little in the way of mechanical output from microelectrics - power goes in, heat comes out |
| 09:00.24 | xingu | lunitik: so big current drawdown equals toasty feet |
| 09:00.28 | bokey | amit# doesn't apt-get verify the md5s of the packages ? |
| 09:00.42 | bokey | amit# I am sure there's an option for that. no ? |
| 09:00.47 | amit | amit: i guess md5 is different ..i am talking about the signatures |
| 09:00.52 | peterS | amit: right, package verification only works if 'gnupg' is installed |
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| 09:01.16 | bokey | amit# ahh.. ok... |
| 09:01.18 | Koos | I've a question about Apache on Debian. My virtual hosts don't work. I've set NameVirtualHost to my IP and set the <VirtualHost> blocks... |
| 09:01.21 | amit | bokey: md5 is used to check whether the downloaded package is 'downloaded properly without any errors |
| 09:01.35 | peterS | Koos: first things first, are you using apache or apache2. |
| 09:01.41 | bokey | amit# without any crc errors. no ? |
| 09:01.42 | lunitik | xingu: :) I think I might just better use the money spent on the card... I have an onboard ATI Xpress 200(g I think) that apparently supports 3D just fine.... |
| 09:01.43 | Koos | peterS: Apache2 :) |
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| 09:01.51 | amit | bokey: signatures verify that the packages are authentic and the don't have trojans et al :D |
| 09:02.32 | lunitik | xingu: I was dumb before... I hadn't installed kernel modules, and assumed because 3D wasn't working that it wasn't supported by the card :/ |
| 09:02.40 | bokey | amit# haha.. :=) but signatures should match that of original signature, where will you get the original signature from ? |
| 09:02.40 | peterS | Koos: so the normal thing to do is configure the virtual hosts by copying /etc/apache2/sites-available to a new file in that directory, and putting the virtualhost block in that file, and doing 'a2ensite name_of_file'. |
| 09:02.43 | amit | bokey: have you ever downloaded an ISO yourself? the reason behind checking the md5 sum of ISOs and checking the MD5 sums of packages is absolutely the same |
| 09:02.46 | xingu | lunitik: dualhead! |
| 09:02.58 | peterS | Koos: you don't _have_ to do it that way, but it keeps your virtual hosts well organised and it's easy to enable or disable one whenever you want |
| 09:03.04 | xingu | lunitik: one for desktop, one for pr0n |
| 09:03.05 | amit | bokey: that is why i need gnupg :) |
| 09:03.15 | bokey | amit# yeah just did that with deb. but didn't bother checking nor the md5 nor the signature verification |
| 09:03.23 | peterS | Koos: I mean, in the first sentence, copying /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to a new name.... |
| 09:03.25 | Koos | peterS: I've copied 000-default to an other file :) |
| 09:03.39 | amit | bokey: ..i will be back :D gotta reboot..new kernel installed :) |
| 09:03.42 | lunitik | xingu: haha... I only have one monitor though... although technically I can do tri-head right now :) |
| 09:03.46 | bokey | amit# :) |
| 09:03.50 | Koos | peterS: I allready did... but at both hosts i get a 404 |
| 09:03.58 | amit | peterS: thanks again man |
| 09:03.59 | peterS | Koos: also, normally you just do namevirtualhost 0.0.0.0 and <virtualhost 0.0.0.0> rather than bothering with specific IP numbers |
| 09:04.12 | Koos | peterS: OK, let's try |
| 09:04.21 | lunitik | xingu: ATI's Xpress chipset apparently does neat tricks that allows me to still use the shared memory of the onboard, and its adaptor... |
| 09:04.35 | bokey | peterS# so amit was saying that he would download the signature and verify it with gnupg.. hold on.. hhehe.. this is sth i have done many times in the past. |
| 09:04.47 | bokey | peterS# gnupg --verify or sth ??? no ? |
| 09:04.58 | peterS | bokey: it all works automatically if you have gnupg installed, the apt tools download and check signatures |
| 09:05.23 | peterS | bokey: the packages themselves are not signed, but their md5 sums are put into an index file and the index file is signed, and that's what apt checks |
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| 09:05.34 | xingu | lunitik: not sure the linux drivers will make that stuff work, but you never know; the ati memory magic basically amounts to the gpu supporting a pagefault handler and tlb |
| 09:05.41 | bokey | peterS# ahh.. so apt will download the signature and then do gnupg --verify <signaturefile> <packagefile>... i c |
| 09:05.47 | Koos | peterS: I'm working in /sites-enabled, not in /sites-available, is that a problem? |
| 09:05.58 | peterS | bokey: actually it's even more complicated, the package md5sum is put into an index file and the md5sum of the index file is put into _another_ index file and _that_ is what is signed. but the chain of trust works anyway. |
| 09:06.04 | xingu | lunitik: virtual address space != physical, and misses get signalled back to the host and its driver to deal |
| 09:06.23 | Koos | peterS: Yes, that worked! Thanks!! :D |
| 09:06.27 | peterS | Koos: well, /sites-enabled is normally just a symlink tree to stuff in /sites-available, that's how 'a2ensite' (enable site) and 'a2dissite' (disable site) work |
| 09:06.43 | bokey | peterS# how can you type so fast ? |
| 09:06.45 | bokey | haha |
| 09:06.45 | xingu | lunitik: what the drivers choose to do with that is their business; early ati binary ones did basically zip so physical == virtual much to the annoyance of folk with small amounts of vram |
| 09:07.01 | Guerin | peterS is actually several people on a keyboard multiplexer |
| 09:07.03 | peterS | bokey: years of practice, I guess. also, I neglect capital letters most of the time, except for the word "I" |
| 09:07.05 | Koos | peterS: Ah :). Strange that it dind't work with my external IP |
| 09:07.05 | Guerin | with a hive mind |
| 09:07.08 | bokey | peterS# are you an alien ? =;-) |
| 09:07.31 | xingu | lunitik: the hardcore graphics weenies talk about pcie latency being an issue on tlb misses too, I'm still reading up on that end of things myself |
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| 09:07.44 | peterS | Koos: note that the IP in 'namevirtualhost' has to match the ip in <virtualhost x.x.x.x> and that in turn has to match one of the IPs apache is binding to. just saying 0.0.0.0 everywhere is simpler. |
| 09:07.50 | peterS | bokey: I used to be |
| 09:08.02 | Koos | peterS: Allright, thanks! :D |
| 09:08.05 | bokey | peterS# now you are a human. :] |
| 09:08.20 | peterS | bokey: oh I've always been human. but I used to be a non-citizen of the country I was living in, i.e., an alien |
| 09:08.34 | bokey | peterS# you should start up debiana consulting inc. or something. |
| 09:08.38 | lunitik | xingu: yeah... I should probably read up some more myself... but I'm kinda thinking maybe its just overkill for my needs anyways... |
| 09:08.43 | bokey | peterS# well then extra terrestrial. |
| 09:08.46 | bokey | =] |
| 09:09.14 | peterS | bokey: right, I've never been extraterrestrial. nor have I been off the earth, if you don't count commercial airlines |
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| 09:09.56 | peterS | bokey: also, I'm horrible at business management, so running a consulting firm isn't likely to work very well. one of the things I'm horrible at is getting my name out and drumming up business. and without customers there is no income |
| 09:10.05 | xingu | hmm, didn't know you could use 0.0.0.0 as a virtualhost. now that is interesting |
| 09:10.33 | xingu | peterS: is that an apache2 thing? last time I tried that stunt I wound up using _default_ |
| 09:10.51 | bokey | peterS# ;) really you could consider opening consulting.. you are really eager and know a lot. you could have someone do the business management. you can focus on what you do know, except use that skill in real world (well it depends on what you call *real* world).. =] |
| 09:11.00 | mick_home | can i do crypto for the /boot partition or is that just silly :) |
| 09:11.38 | bokey | peterS# true. but customers build over time and with more adverstisement comes more $$$ |
| 09:11.39 | peterS | xingu: is what an apache2 thing? the whole sites-available / sites-enabled dance? that's a debian-specific apache2 thing. |
| 09:11.40 | lunitik | xingu: again, thank you for your input :) |
| 09:11.48 | xingu | mick_home: how about just put it on usb removable media and take it with you |
| 09:12.00 | xingu | peterS: no, being allowed to anchor to 0.0.0.0 specifically |
| 09:12.07 | bokey | peterS# but i guess not *everyone* considers earning $$$ their priority. hahah.. |
| 09:12.07 | peterS | xingu: oh, the 0.0.0.0 thing - I think apache has always allowed that |
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| 09:12.23 | lunitik | xingu: I think I should have been more patient with my original setup though, this thing definitely supports 3D onboard... blah |
| 09:12.41 | peterS | bokey: $$$ is nice, but for me, quality of life is much more about enjoying work and not working too hard, rather than about making maximum amount of $$$ so I can enjoy non-work fine |
| 09:12.45 | peterS | non-work time I mean |
| 09:13.17 | bokey | peterS# yeah. |
| 09:13.20 | buu | I tried to apt-get install a module and when it tried to configure itself, it blew up. Now I really don't want the stupid thing to install any more, but whenever I run apt it tries to reconfigureitself and dies again |
| 09:13.21 | peterS | bokey: so, for me, ideal amount of $$$ is "enough to live on without having to penny-pinch" but beyond that, if I have to sacrifice the enjoying-my-work angle, it's not really worth it |
| 09:13.25 | buu | Messily. How do I make it stop trying |
| 09:13.41 | peterS | buu: dpkg --remove module-name |
| 09:13.49 | buu | Simple enough |
| 09:13.52 | bokey | peterS# true. |
| 09:13.55 | bokey | =] |
| 09:13.59 | peterS | buu: well, that should work anyway, there are situations where it won't |
| 09:14.12 | buu | Yup. Worked like a champ. |
| 09:14.14 | amit | peterS: still no X on this machine :( |
| 09:14.36 | peterS | bokey: of course, if I had the opportunity to make a lot more money _without_ giving up things like enjoying-my-job and having-flexible-schedule-to-do-things-I-enjoy, I wouldn't turn my nose up just because "I don't care about money". |
| 09:14.59 | amit | peterS: now it has loaded the savage module, but still doesn't work!!! |
| 09:15.36 | bokey | peterS# yeah possibly no one would be able to deny that kinda job. hehe.. :] |
| 09:15.45 | peterS | amit: are you using the s3savage video driver? 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or whatever will give you an opportunity to pick it |
| 09:15.48 | xingu | peterS: never go anywhere near investment banking. :) |
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| 09:16.13 | xingu | peterS: enjoying-my-job and flexible-schedule-outside-work will be the first two on the block |
| 09:16.23 | bokey | geez, it's running to Get:226! is my package manager on steroids ? |
| 09:16.31 | peterS | xingu: right, working 18 hours a day doing something I find dull would not be worth _any_ amount of money. well, maybe it would be worth it if I could just do it for a few months then have enough to quit and relax for a few years to recuperate (: |
| 09:16.51 | amit | peterS: there's nothign like the s3savage video driver..either s3 or savage..neither works |
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| 09:17.11 | peterS | amit: right, I never remember if it's called 'savage' or 's3savage' - I guess it is 'savage' and it should work. bleh. |
| 09:17.29 | peterS | amit: as a stopgap measure you can use the 'vesa' driver instead, that works for almost all video cards, except really recent ati crap |
| 09:17.29 | amit | peterS: there's some error..saying couldn't init font path element |
| 09:17.42 | amit | peterS: tried that too..doesn't work :D |
| 09:17.45 | bokey | peterS# what about 12 hrs/day ? would that be a lot to you "zen the veteran" peterS ? |
| 09:17.46 | peterS | amit: "can't init font path element" is not usually a fatal error, just sort of an informational message |
| 09:18.15 | amit | peterS: yes..the fatal error is this: could not open default font "fixed" |
| 09:18.17 | peterS | bokey: for how long - I couldn't do that for years on end, I could do it for a few months if it meant I could semi-retire afterward (semi-retire meaning take years off or something) |
| 09:18.27 | amit | peterS: do i need to download and install that font? |
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| 09:18.30 | peterS | amit: oh, that usually means you're missing 'xfonts-base' |
| 09:18.34 | peterS | that packge |
| 09:18.41 | amit | great..i will install that :) |
| 09:18.54 | peterS | amit: or just install the virtual package 'x-window-system-core' which should include that |
| 09:19.04 | bokey | peterS# yeah depends on how long. :) |
| 09:19.16 | amit | peterS: k |
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| 09:19.52 | peterS | bokey: these are fun Gedankenexperiments but really nobody's gonna offer me a 12-hour-a-day grueling job that I'll quit after 6 months with a lot of money in my bank account, so I doubt I'll have to make that choice any time soon |
| 09:20.08 | amit | peterS: will i need all the stuff in that package? |
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| 09:20.48 | bokey | peterS# yeah.. why don't join some workforce that interests you ? like in some cutting edge software development or something ? |
| 09:20.49 | peterS | amit: maybe not everything but it'll give you a good default set of fonts etc. |
| 09:20.54 | amit | peterS: hehe..stupid question..but as in what a normal user would use? :P |
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| 09:21.06 | amit | peterS: oh..oaky |
| 09:21.09 | xingu | peterS: seriously, if you put LAMP on your CV you'll get project work in banking in no time flat |
| 09:21.14 | bokey | peterS# web services are selling like hot cakes these days. (web 2.0 so called) |
| 09:21.17 | peterS | bokey: one problem is, at the moment I'm committed for the next several months to an outside activity that eats up 1 hour around lunchtime, not including travel to and from, so this would have to be a company that's cool with me taking approximately a 2-hour lunch 4 days a week. (I'd be happy to still put in an 8-hour day but this condition does require a certain amount of flexibility from an employer) |
| 09:21.18 | amit | okay..i mean |
| 09:21.26 | lunitik | Having 32bit only codecs and plugins in general is annoying :( |
| 09:21.45 | xingu | lunitik: my part of it has been for the thick end of a decade; most of our 32bit stuff went the way of the dodo during the great y2k debacle |
| 09:22.00 | S4nD3r | every time I need to use a windows printer (shared), in my linux box, I must restart the printer in localhost:631 webbrowser ??? |
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| 09:22.02 | S4nD3r | Why ? |
| 09:22.06 | peterS | amit: I dunno, in these modern times a normal user would probably use the package selection in the 'gnome' metapackage, or some odd folks might prefer the selection in the 'xfce' or 'kde' metapackages |
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| 09:22.27 | bokey | xingu# not LAMP, WAMP :) heeheh.. |
| 09:22.39 | lunitik | xingu: out of curiosity... how hard would it be to set up a Debian chroot... and have a 32bit X on another screen etc? |
| 09:22.58 | amit | peterS: hehe..yeah :D |
| 09:23.15 | lunitik | xingu: I'd hate to reinstall everything just so I can get working codecs... blah |
| 09:23.32 | peterS | xingu: I wouldn't feel honest putting 'lamp' on my resume as I haven't got a great deal of experience deploying webapps that use database backends. or any webapps for that matter, I mean I know cgi and perl and enough php to wrinkle my nose with, but I haven't had to write a lot of webapp type stuff and I don't know the fashionable frameworks at all |
| 09:23.44 | bokey | peterS# so even your lunch gets wasted.. geez.. I hope you are getting well for that job. |
| 09:23.48 | sandman | Is there something like a raki applet for GNOME? |
| 09:23.48 | tarzeau | does sid have ff 1.5.0.8? iceweasel? 2.0? |
| 09:23.54 | tarzeau | sandman: what would it do? |
| 09:24.09 | sandman | sync a pocket pc with Linux, as raki really does. |
| 09:24.14 | lunitik | tarzeau: IceWeasel will start with 2.0 afaik |
| 09:24.22 | xingu | peterS: neither does anyone else from what I can see. :) |
| 09:24.24 | bokey | peterS# fashionable => struts I guess you are referring to ? |
| 09:24.32 | amit | peterS: I thought installing KDE will simply pull in all the dependencies.. |
| 09:24.32 | amit | peterS: but it did not install the fonts package..is it a bug or something? :P |
| 09:24.41 | bokey | Java is a hot bed these days.. so is .NET |
| 09:24.52 | peterS | bokey: ruby on rails is the new struts (: but I don't even have any CMS experience to speak of |
| 09:24.54 | tarzeau | lunitik: but what do we have in sid? |
| 09:25.02 | xingu | lunitik: it's dead simple, its in the amd64 howto in fact. |
| 09:25.03 | tarzeau | seamonkey? mozilla? |
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| 09:25.14 | lunitik | tarzeau: Still firefox 1.5 afaik |
| 09:25.27 | lunitik | xingu: ahhh... hmm :) |
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| 09:25.32 | bokey | peterS# haha.. ruby on rails. haven't really tried it.. but have heard a lot of people mention it. |
| 09:25.39 | tarzeau | problem i have is: when you had 2.0, then try 1.5.0.8 ctrl-f doesn't work anymore and help about gives you: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/firefox1508about.png and http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/thunderbird1508about.png |
| 09:25.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: yeah but which 1.5 ? |
| 09:25.49 | peterS | amit: hmmm I'm not sure. the thing is, you _can_ run KDE (or any X Window System environment) without having a local X server setup at all - you can run it all from remote consoles like X terminals. a few people out there actually do this. so having 'kde' pull in stuff for a _local_ X server isn't always necessary ... I guess. |
| 09:26.00 | Malagmyr | from where can I get /sbin/mount.sshfs ? It's apparently needed in order to do this "sshfs#malagmyr@fileserver:/ /mnt/malagmyr@fileserver fuse uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" in fstab. |
| 09:26.09 | peterS | bokey: it's the hottest buzzword in web devel I've heard in a very long time, and that's _including_ jsp |
| 09:26.17 | lunitik | tarzeau: imo you can see that just as fast as meee ;) |
| 09:26.29 | tarzeau | 1.5.0.7-3 , oh well |
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| 09:26.37 | tarzeau | (thunderbird) |
| 09:26.43 | tarzeau | no iceweasel |
| 09:26.47 | tarzeau | and firefox is old too |
| 09:26.49 | amit | peterS: I see..but then it doesn't work..so I guess it must be needing the font package |
| 09:27.02 | lunitik | tarzeau: like I said... firefox still in sid... same versioning as icedove though |
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| 09:27.25 | bokey | peterS# yeah, not very hard to get frontends in JSP and servlets backend and use db :) |
| 09:27.35 | xingu | peterS: every man and his dog is strapped for good project engineers, there's a whole lot of colocation stuff kicking off at the moment and good field guys are few and far between; the good ones tend to get repeat business on rolling 6-9mo contracts |
| 09:27.45 | peterS | bokey: anyway if I have no experience with ruby-on-rails or struts (I don't even know java, though I imagine I could learn it without too much difficulty as I know some C++ and C#) or Zope, and my only experience with PHP leaves sort of a slimy taste in my mouth ... I'm not sure if I'm cut out for web 2.0 |
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| 09:28.12 | peterS | xingu: colo stuff? what do you mean by that? |
| 09:28.23 | bokey | peterS# serioulsy speaking peterS, you could learn Java properly in 1 week (ofcourse with full devotion) |
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| 09:28.32 | xingu | peterS: driver is getting technical trading platforms closer to the exchange feeds and buy side nearer sell side to reduce latency |
| 09:28.34 | peterS | xingu: 'project engineer' sounds rather bad too, it implies some organizational and people-management and project-management skills that I sorely lack (: |
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| 09:29.00 | amit | peterS: run kde from remote consoles..right..but again..a _normal user_ won't do that :D |
| 09:29.19 | xingu | peterS: nah, that's project manager; project engineer is the guy that gets to turn up and put a mess of parts together while on the phone back to the IT/IS group - and if they're half useful, then carry on and do the invocation testing |
| 09:29.27 | peterS | xingu: reduce latency? you mean on the network or from a human standpoint? your jargon is leaving me so far behind that it's clear I'm nowhere near qualified for this world |
| 09:29.40 | bokey | peterS# Zope, that's interesting beast. consider web 2.0 to be seriously hot, everything is moving of to web you know.. |
| 09:30.02 | peterS | amit: consider the Debian S/390 port. the S/390 (nowadays marketed as "IBM zSeries") is a mainframe that doesn't even _have_ a local keyboard or mouse or graphics card. |
| 09:30.08 | xingu | peterS: spend a lot of time inside other people's datacenters getting sworn at for being in the way, and for being the face/ visible end of ridiculous timescales |
| 09:30.26 | peterS | bokey: web 2.0 also requires mad skillz in javascript/ecmascript/vbscript and I've barely _touched_ those |
| 09:30.42 | xingu | peterS: latency as in end to end transactional latency for settlement across a given exchange |
| 09:30.52 | bokey | peterS# look at examples I mean, youtube, blip.tv, google's services, digg so many.. they are all selling off like anything $$$$$ |
| 09:31.24 | peterS | also my CSS fu is pretty much at a 1998 level |
| 09:31.33 | amit | peterS: Not sure I know about all the platforms debian is ported to. But that sounds quite interesting :) |
| 09:31.51 | peterS | I might be a bright boy that can pick things up but experience-wise I'm not ready for _anything_ webdev-related (: |
| 09:32.04 | bokey | it's not rocket science to get web 2.0 startup seriously. |
| 09:32.31 | peterS | amit: s390 is unique in that it's the one platform where you don't get a local console. other platforms are sometimes used from remote consoles or serial consoles but s390 _always_ is. |
| 09:32.41 | amit | bokey: I recently read an article where the author claimed that google are earning so much outta their Search Revenue, that they don't know what to do with this kinda money!! |
| 09:32.51 | peterS | amit: as such, you can imagine running debian-installer on s390 posed a few interesting challenges (: |
| 09:33.15 | amit | bokey: result is...they started buying companies for whatever the asking price was..lol |
| 09:33.30 | peterS | bokey: throw in that I'm currently not willing to relocate from Not-A-Big-Tech-Hub, USA (too many local commitments).... |
| 09:33.55 | amit | peterS: I see...this S390 thing seems very interesting :D |
| 09:34.33 | amit | peterS: I will google for this S390 once i get my Xserver up and running..;-) |
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| 09:34.53 | nachos | how can i install new pcf fonts? |
| 09:35.05 | peterS | amit: mainframes are themselves interesting. their death has been predicted many times over the past 30 years yet IBM still makes money on them. however, their two biggest advantages - legendary hardware reliability, and ability to run hundreds or even thousands of virtual machines on a single box - are going to be seriously encroached by certain amd64 servers soon, if not already |
| 09:35.54 | bokey | peterS# nobody can force you bro |
| 09:36.07 | peterS | the price of amd64-based servers (or even big iron powerpc-based servers) is a pretty hard argument to counter. mainframes are _expensive_ for the processing power you get |
| 09:36.13 | xingu | old systems never die, they just get drywalled in |
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| 09:36.26 | peterS | xingu: if you cut off their 3-phase power they might eventually die |
| 09:37.12 | bokey | brb |
| 09:37.22 | amit | peterS: PowerPC ..thats a SUN Product, right? Whatever happened to SPARC Processors |
| 09:39.31 | amit | peterS: hey man..how do I remove the already installed, but useless kernel 2.6.8? Not that it hurts, but why keep useless junk? |
| 09:39.41 | peterS | amit: powerpc was a joint project between IBM, Motorola and Apple. I'm referring to IBM RS/6000 series machines, specifically their SP clusters. |
| 09:39.47 | buu | peterS: So! |
| 09:39.54 | buu | peterS: How do I make X talk to a tv? |
| 09:40.02 | xingu | I'm not totally convinced that multicore and virtualiseation extentions alone will kill big iron; the next parts are fast virtualisation, "global" filesystems, and process checkpointing |
| 09:40.23 | amit | peterS: I see |
| 09:40.25 | peterS | amit: apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 or whatever package you have installed. it will be named kernel-image-{something}, you can use 'dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.*' to find it |
| 09:40.28 | xingu | because lets face it, small iron engineering cycles are short and the hardware platforms suck v reliability metrics |
| 09:41.00 | peterS | amit: sparc is a whole different animal from powerpc. Sun still makes SPARC-based servers. they're just rather expensive compared to amd64-based servers, so I imagine Sun is selling fewer and fewer sparcs as time goes on |
| 09:41.13 | xingu | but big distributed block and filesystems are almost done too for small iron, and checkpointing is getting started |
| 09:41.31 | amit | peterS: As simple as that? I thought i will have to manually remove a lotta packages, cuz the kernel came bundled as an integral part of Sarge! :P |
| 09:41.47 | nachos | how can i make that stupid menu tool rehash? |
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| 09:42.01 | peterS | buu: first load a kernel driver for your TV interface card to make it available to the video4linux api. then run a video4linux client on your X desktop, such as xawtv |
| 09:42.12 | peterS | amit: heh, no, it's just a package like any other |
| 09:42.50 | peterS | nachos: 'update-menus' but this should be run automatically when you install and remove packages that have menu entries |
| 09:43.08 | peterS | nachos: some window managers automatically pull in new menu lists dynamically, others need to be restarted in order to do so |
| 09:43.14 | amit | peterS: i see.. |
| 09:43.14 | amit | brb fellas |
| 09:43.54 | nachos | ok, thanks per |
| 09:43.57 | nachos | peterS- |
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| 09:44.16 | peterS | xingu: checkpointing / image migration via xen works already. I know a guy running blades with xen and if a fan starts making funny noises he can just move the whole virtual server to another blade and power down the one, total downtime like 10 to 30 seconds |
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| 09:44.48 | peterS | crazy stuff |
| 09:44.58 | buu | peterS: Er, really? I can't just make X display there? |
| 09:45.14 | ZyX | I just apt-get updated phpmyadmin, and now it's kind of broken (seems like a css error).. how can I roll back apt-get update? |
| 09:45.25 | xingu | peterS: nice |
| 09:45.30 | peterS | buu: wait, you're talking about outputting the X display to an s-video port? I'm not sure how you do _that_. I thought you meant the reverse |
| 09:45.39 | buu | peterS: Right. |
| 09:46.03 | xingu | peterS: can he take a process image from a board that has failed and point-in-time restore it back onto one that hasn't yet? :) |
| 09:46.46 | peterS | buu: that's one of those things that is fairly cutting-edge in xorg. I heard Keith Packard talking about trying to support that stuff properly with the Intel video drivers and it sounded like a lot of hairy infrastructure work was needed in xorg. this was back in May though, it might all be in xorg 7.1 for all I know |
| 09:47.32 | peterS | xingu: point-in-time restore would require storing checkpointed images. I'm sure he could do that in theory, but that's a lot of disk space and I/O bandwidth going into a black hole if you don't know if you'll actually _need_ that functionality |
| 09:47.33 | mick_home | is this an alright partition table: #1 primary (25 MB) B Ext3 J #2 primary (248 GB) Crypto not used (what does that mean?) #3 (1.5 GB) swap |
| 09:47.49 | xingu | peterS: yep, that's why /process/ checkpoint is important |
| 09:48.00 | SerajewelKS | will increasing the FSB speed raise the CPU temp or just possibly cause instability? |
| 09:48.05 | mick_home | i'm not actually this slow, i'm working on a bunch of things all at once :D |
| 09:48.22 | peterS | mick_home: I have no clue why you have that #2 partition. are you doing an automatic partition table setup or a manual one? if you're doing an automatic one, why are you asking _us_ if it's ok? if you're doing a manual one, what are you doing on partition #2? |
| 09:48.34 | buu | peterS: Er, it is? |
| 09:48.41 | buu | peterS: I'm actually on XF86 |
| 09:48.42 | buu | Anyway. |
| 09:49.02 | buu | SerajewelKS: Both |
| 09:49.23 | peterS | buu: the general problem is handling moving your desktop to arbitrary output devices that might appear and disappear as you plug your laptop into the projector. that sort of thing is hard to manage on a staticly-configured server like xfree86 |
| 09:49.26 | SerajewelKS | buu: really, i thought raising the voltage raised the temp |
| 09:49.31 | mick_home | peterS: it is manual - i want an encrypted disk w/ everything. #1 is the /boot (so i can actually run this damn thig) and #3 is swap (obvious) |
| 09:49.35 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: if you don't know what overclocking does, I suggest you don't do it |
| 09:49.39 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you don |
| 09:49.46 | Guerin | 't actually NEED a faster computer |
| 09:49.55 | mick_home | peterS: #2 is pretty much for everything else |
| 09:49.59 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: you have to start somewhere |
| 09:50.16 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yes, by reading about it. |
| 09:50.17 | buu | peterS: Well, I don't need dynamic or anything |
| 09:50.25 | buu | peterS: In fact it's the only monitor attached |
| 09:50.25 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: which i have |
| 09:50.28 | peterS | mick_home: well, set it up as the root filesystem rather than "not used", then. and set up the first one as the /boot filesystem. |
| 09:50.38 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: not enough, or you'd know that |
| 09:50.54 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: anyway, there's an #overclockers on this or some other network |
| 09:50.55 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: or the sites i've read haven't mentioned that |
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| 09:51.20 | mick_home | peterS: i thought i did setup the first one as /boot |
| 09:51.20 | peterS | buu: I'm not sure xfree86-era drivers could handle svideo output anyway. try 'man 4 i810' to see. or if you aren't using an intel video chip, substitute the name of your driver |
| 09:51.49 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it's not like i'm changing things willy-nilly. i pushed the FSB up 10MHz and am running stress tests right now. |
| 09:51.57 | peterS | mick_home: it is possible that you did. as I've said before, my feed to the webcam pointing down from your ceiling is not working very well at the moment, so I find it hard to figure out what you did or what your screen says |
| 09:52.14 | mick_home | :-P |
| 09:52.19 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what cpu? and are you still using stock HSF? |
| 09:52.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: athlon xp 2500+ (barton), and yes |
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| 09:52.39 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I don't recommend running a front-side bus at 10 MHz. if you want to do that, you should buy an 8086 from 1983. |
| 09:52.41 | mick_home | peterS: i think that i'm not understanding how encrypted volumes work :-P |
| 09:52.45 | tarzeau | has someone got thunderbird 1.5.0.8? can you abort sending a written msg? i get: msg has not been sent. do you want to save msg to drafs folder? cancel ok, i say cancel and i don't get the msg away |
| 09:52.58 | SerajewelKS | peterS: what part of "pushed up" was unclear |
| 09:53.13 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the first thing you want to do is buy a new hsf and probably some goo |
| 09:53.23 | peterS | wait, you can change the timing of your front-side bus by increments that small? |
| 09:53.41 | Guerin | peterS: i think it's an AMD thing |
| 09:53.44 | buu | peterS: Um. I was doing svideo out like a year and a half ago, at least |
| 09:53.49 | mick_home | do i need to setup 2 volumes? one for encryption and one that holds the actual data? |
| 09:53.55 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah will do that eventually. the max temp on this cpu is 85C, and i've hit 59C. |
| 09:53.56 | pitillo | peterS, some MB can push it up by 1Mhz |
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| 09:54.11 | mick_home | this is the first time that i'm working w/ encrypted filesystems (pardon my ignorance) |
| 09:54.18 | peterS | buu: then why are you asking me how to do it? stop wasting my time and go back to what you were doing last yera |
| 09:54.18 | Guerin | well, that's thermally a lot more sane than my intel chips |
| 09:54.23 | SerajewelKS | peterS: mine does increments of 1 and sometimes 2 |
| 09:54.38 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: really |
| 09:55.02 | Guerin | i had a p4-2.4 in korea which overheated, running up to 86°C, if you ran ti at 2.4 - the only reliable way to run it was underclocked to 1.8 |
| 09:55.18 | Guerin | ghz |
| 09:55.20 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: nice |
| 09:55.25 | Guerin | pure class |
| 09:55.38 | Guerin | solid as a rock at 1.8 though |
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| 09:56.11 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well i do have some head room here so i may push it more after these tests run for a day. if it gets close to 80-ish then i'll back it off until i get a better heatsink. |
| 09:56.41 | x_link | vin`: There ? |
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| 09:56.49 | Guerin | it might *say* 85°C, but more than about 60 is usually not considered optimal |
| 09:56.49 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: running mprime -t it levels off at 59 and has been there for about an hour |
| 09:56.55 | pitillo | mine Athlon XP1200 at full... now 47šC... |
| 09:57.03 | Guerin | maybe 70 for a newer chip |
| 09:57.04 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: that is true |
| 09:57.23 | x_link | pitillo: Mine AMD Athlon XP 2600+ "GHz is on 54C |
| 09:57.27 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what does it run at notmally? |
| 09:57.43 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: when idle? around 35C maybe. |
| 09:57.46 | kie27 | greetings all, not sure if this is the right place for this question..., am running debian stable on a server with postfix for mail, but getting reverse dns error messages when users send email to aol addresses, from what i have read i think am missing ptr record, but not running bind on this server, can anyone give me some hints please? |
| 09:58.02 | x_link | vin`: Write o me in PM when you ge back. |
| 09:58.08 | x_link | get back. |
| 09:58.09 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: at normal frequency unde rload, I mean |
| 09:58.09 | mick_home | only thing that i know about that is from: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/81 |
| 09:58.09 | x_link | bbl |
| 09:58.20 | mick_home | which is how to create a small encrypted volume |
| 09:58.28 | mick_home | i just want to encrypt everything |
| 09:58.30 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: oh, i'm not sure, i didn't run mprime before overclocking |
| 09:58.38 | mick_home | or is that just a Bad Idea |
| 09:58.40 | Guerin | kie27: you need to run a named of some sort for rdns |
| 09:58.41 | buu | peterS: I lost the config =[ |
| 09:58.48 | SerajewelKS | mick_home: encfs maybe? |
| 09:59.02 | Guerin | kie27: thankfully, setting up a rdns and caching nameserver is trivial enough |
| 09:59.27 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: wtf, running tests without a control? |
| 09:59.37 | kie27 | ok, will checkout named, thanks very much Guerin. |
| 09:59.40 | mick_home | SerajewelKS: it says "K crypto" - but for whatever reason it says "not active" |
| 09:59.52 | SerajewelKS | mick_home: what does? |
| 09:59.54 | Guerin | kie27: named is a generic term for a dns server like bind |
| 09:59.54 | mick_home | SerajewelKS: i'm still in the installer ;) |
| 10:00.02 | Guerin | kie27: look at the bind howto on tldp.org |
| 10:00.05 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: the control can be gathered later |
| 10:00.09 | mick_home | SerajewelKS: the gtk installer (under partitions) |
| 10:00.17 | SerajewelKS | mick_home: ah, that's not encfs then, nevermind |
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| 10:00.33 | kie27 | thanks, that will be my next step now. |
| 10:00.42 | mick_home | nope it is k crypto (whatever the hell that may be) |
| 10:00.46 | mick_home | :) |
| 10:01.20 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: though mprime does a lot of FPU stuff, which is hotter than most other operations |
| 10:01.51 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: so at heavy load when dealing with non-FPU (that is, most stuff) i would expect it to run cooler than 59 |
| 10:01.58 | mick_home | i think tht i'll just go through the installer and cross my fingers |
| 10:02.20 | mick_home | peterS: unless you have any other ideas :) |
| 10:02.58 | peterS | mick_home: not really. I haven't installed a debian box recently enough (i.e., since the crypto root setup was added to the installer) to have any idea how that interface works |
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| 10:04.56 | bokey | peterS# my apt is at Get: 403, how many more to go.. I don't want it to run whole night.. Can I send it a signal and still be able to install the packages that are downloaded already ? |
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| 10:05.29 | peterS | bokey: I still can't read your screen. how the #@^$* should I know how many packages are left? why do you ask such stupid questions? no offense. |
| 10:05.59 | peterS | and no, I don't think you can interrupt the download and still install the packages that are already downloaded. at least, not within the normal interface. |
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| 10:06.05 | sly007 | Hello, is there a way to move one application from display :0 to:1 without killing it? |
| 10:06.14 | SerajewelKS | sly007: i wish |
| 10:06.16 | bokey | peterS# hehheheh.. =) ok. |
| 10:06.18 | peterS | sly007: depends on the application. if it is emacs, yes. if it is not emacs, probably not. |
| 10:06.29 | tarzeau | sly007: xmove ? |
| 10:06.41 | tarzeau | peterS: you mean if it runs in screen? |
| 10:06.47 | peterS | tarzeau: doesn't xmove have to be started _before_ the app? |
| 10:06.49 | xingu | sly007: suspend, swap the displays around, resume |
| 10:07.08 | peterS | tarzeau: screen also has to be started before the app. if he were running the app in screen, he wouldn't have to ask us this question |
| 10:07.38 | peterS | xingu: never mind the suspend, just unplug the monitor cables and swap them |
| 10:07.47 | xingu | yeah, that sounds good |
| 10:08.06 | mick_home | is there something on this in the debian handbook? (encrypted root fs) |
| 10:08.18 | peterS | oh and the keyboard cables, if there's more than one of _those_ (how leet is that), though for best results this should be with hot-plug keyboard technology, like usb or adb |
| 10:09.01 | tarzeau | peterS: true |
| 10:09.05 | shay | hello |
| 10:09.20 | bokey | hi shay |
| 10:09.21 | tarzeau | peterS: how can you move emacs from one display to another without either one? |
| 10:09.34 | shay | sup bokey |
| 10:09.46 | peterS | tarzeau: M-x open-display followed by C-x 5 0 in the old window |
| 10:10.01 | peterS | (C-x 5 0 for "close-frame" or whatever it is called) |
| 10:10.06 | bokey | peterS# what's adb ? |
| 10:10.10 | xingu | if you didn't mind the performance sucking totally you could move the app to a new virtual desktop on :0, capture it with vnc, then open vncviewer on :1 |
| 10:10.40 | peterS | bokey: apple desktop bus. a slow hardware bus that lets you connect keyboards and mice to older Macintoshes using cables with little round 4-pin connectors |
| 10:11.10 | peterS | bokey: ADB keyboards usually have 2 ADB ports, one to plug into the computer, the other to plug the mouse into. so you get a chain of devices, in effect |
| 10:11.38 | mick_home | oh god i remember those |
| 10:11.39 | peterS | the ADB connector looks a bit like a PS/2 connector but it only has 4 pins |
| 10:11.43 | bokey | peterS# umm... i c. |
| 10:12.04 | xingu | is it a keyboard, or is it a low bitrate network! you decide |
| 10:12.10 | xingu | appl certainly couldn't |
| 10:12.16 | Triona | it worked well.. |
| 10:12.33 | Triona | and it was kindof an early implementation of the same concepts as USB |
| 10:12.39 | peterS | xingu: hehe |
| 10:12.50 | Triona | that is, you could have multiple input devices |
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| 10:13.22 | peterS | xingu: then consider the newer pnp bus apple started pushing - is it a DV camera bus, or is it a high-speed network? |
| 10:13.25 | Triona | ie, a keyboard, mouse, trackball, and tablet |
| 10:13.37 | sly007 | In fact I launche my X server home this morning, started thunderbird, and went to work where I started an Xvnc server on :1 |
| 10:13.39 | fernet | There's a repository out there that archives "retired" package versions that were superceded in sid but never made it into a release isn't there? |
| 10:13.44 | Triona | peterS: referring to firewire? |
| 10:13.51 | sly007 | I can't launch thunderbird in :1 as it is already open in :0. |
| 10:14.01 | peterS | but of course. I prefer 'ieee 1394' though |
| 10:14.14 | nelf | Ever since I upgraded to testing, my emacs21 in X has squares instead of real fonts unless I manually choose a font with shift-mouse-1, any ideas how to fix? |
| 10:14.37 | xingu | peterS: or is it a way to initiate unprotected dma into the host's physical address space from the peripheral side! |
| 10:14.39 | peterS | nelf: do you have any 'Emacs' X resources related to fonts? |
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| 10:14.51 | xingu | peterS: crouching tiger, hidden security problem |
| 10:14.56 | peterS | xingu: say it ain't so. that's horrible. |
| 10:15.15 | peterS | the bus can actually tell the chip to do arbitrary DMA and the host driver doesn't get a say in this? |
| 10:15.19 | xingu | yep. |
| 10:15.21 | nelf | peterS: how do I find that out? |
| 10:15.28 | peterS | nelf: xrdb -q |
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| 10:15.46 | nelf | Nothing mentioned about emacs there. |
| 10:15.47 | rhalff | anyone running apache2.2. on debian sarge, and know a package location ? |
| 10:15.47 | peterS | though if you had any such resources I imagine you would have already known this |
| 10:17.01 | xingu | peterS: http://md.hudora.de/presentations/#firewire-cansecwest |
| 10:17.14 | bokey | !vino |
| 10:18.07 | sly007 | tarzeau, do you know if xmove can really do this? |
| 10:18.11 | peterS | xingu: so what you are saying, in essence, is that 1394 should never be used to connect a computer to an untrusted computer as a network |
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| 10:18.34 | tarzeau | sly007: i think so, i never used/needed it though |
| 10:18.46 | peterS | sly007: only if you start the program inside xmove |
| 10:18.55 | xingu | peterS: there appear to be some nasty vectors available to anyone who can attach a peripheral to your system |
| 10:19.32 | xingu | peterS: obviously the barrier is being able to design the peripheral which is non-trivial, but even so. |
| 10:20.33 | peterS | xingu: anyone who can attach a peripheral can attach a second computer, so this reduces to a kernel hacking problem |
| 10:20.33 | xingu | peterS: :) |
| 10:20.34 | rhalff | I don't get the policy don't run unstable in production, yet keep stable as acient as possible, so there is nothing left to do but upgrade to unstable.. :| |
| 10:20.57 | peterS | OTOH, such people are also physically near the original computer, so the usual caveats about direct hardware access vis-a-vis security should be kept in mind |
| 10:20.57 | xingu | peterS: providing the suspect party's controller is sufficiently programmable I guess |
| 10:21.03 | Malagmyr | rhalff: may I suggest backports, or testing? |
| 10:21.32 | mick_home | found it! http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#partman-crypto (configure encrypted volumes hides in the top left corner) |
| 10:21.35 | Malagmyr | rhalff: stable is old because it's supposed to be tested really thoroughly so it's, you know, stable |
| 10:21.36 | rhalff | Malagmyr, apache2 isn't there, and stable runs 2.0.54 which is pretty old. |
| 10:21.47 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 10:22.08 | bokey | peterS# So, i can't stop this apt without installing the packages cleanly ? |
| 10:22.23 | rhalff | is there proof that debian stable is anything more stable then other distributions ? |
| 10:22.25 | peterS | rhalff: I'm curious why you need apache 2.2. apache 2.0.54 is "pretty old" but, what, does software just _expire_? does it _stop working_ after 2 years? |
| 10:22.41 | Malagmyr | rhalff: I have apache2 on my stable machine, directly from the standard repositories. Also, I use 2.4.27. 2.6.x is in there, but I chose not to use it. |
| 10:22.50 | rhalff | peterS, no but new features are added. |
| 10:23.01 | peterS | rhalff: which new features did you need? I ask because most people don't need any of them |
| 10:23.16 | rhalff | peterS, mod_dav_lock |
| 10:23.23 | rhalff | in 2.1 or greater |
| 10:23.30 | rhalff | and server-status?config |
| 10:23.34 | peterS | I haven't heard of that one |
| 10:23.35 | rhalff | server-info?config that is |
| 10:24.41 | rhalff | anyway, I give nothing back to the debian community, so I have no right to complain :) |
| 10:25.00 | peterS | rhalff: you'd be surprised (well, probably not) at how little that tends to stop people (: |
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| 10:30.13 | rhalff | peterS, running testing in production, is kinda ok ? |
| 10:30.22 | peterS | rhalff: if you have to ask, the answer is no |
| 10:30.50 | peterS | rhalff: if you already _know_ the answer, then use your best judgment, but if you have to ask for someone else's best judgment, we have to recommend not doing it |
| 10:31.17 | rhalff | peterS, well I've run unstable without problems for a long time, only problem it's never the same. I like a bit of a release cycle |
| 10:31.29 | peterS | rhalff: why are you asking us then? just do what you want |
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| 10:35.16 | mick_home | i wonder how long it takes to compute the current state of the hdd |
| 10:35.24 | mick_home | this seems to be taking forever |
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| 10:36.30 | peterS | compute the current state of what? |
| 10:36.32 | blondie | 5 years |
| 10:37.44 | peterS | think of it this way. if your disk is 248 GB and it can sustain 40 MB/s of I/O, it can read or write the whole disk in 6000 seconds, which is just over an hour and a half |
| 10:38.11 | peterS | this scan is sequential so 40 MB/s seems fair |
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| 10:39.34 | xingu | a bit of a release cycle sounds like having a bit of pregnancy |
| 10:40.33 | bokey | peterS# if I press ctrl-atl-f1 in X, I can log into another terminal. no ? |
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| 10:40.50 | peterS | maybe |
| 10:40.54 | peterS | did you try it? |
| 10:41.12 | peterS | why are you asking a question whose answer you could just as well find out for yourself by trying it? |
| 10:41.16 | bokey | peterS# if I try, i might break my apt that's runnning |
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| 10:41.47 | peterS | this falls under the heading of "wasting our time". no, switching consoles will not stop a running application |
| 10:41.51 | bokey | peterS# it's nearing 600 packages |
| 10:42.20 | peterS | so your real question is not the one you asked, your real question is "if I switch consoles, will it interfere with a running apt process". |
| 10:42.36 | bokey | peterS# ok. it worked. |
| 10:42.45 | peterS | please try to get into the habit of asking your real question, it's easier on everyone than for us to try to guess what you really want to know |
| 10:42.52 | bokey | peterS# i am not very good at asking question. =:) |
| 10:43.59 | bokey | peterS# you need to calm down. you have been answering questions to every Gnu/Linux newbs like me non-stop for the past 6 hrs. take a break, get a coffee or something. =:) |
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| 10:44.13 | mick_home | how can i tell if the installer is actually doing something? |
| 10:44.20 | mick_home | and not just crashing :) |
| 10:44.41 | mick_home | the horizontal bar isn't moving |
| 10:45.16 | peterS | can't do coffee. partly I'm annoyed because an unrelated process managed to load the 'matroxfb' kernel module on my machine and I can't undo that (fb modules cannot be unloaded, once loaded) so it messed up my display and I've been trying to make it at least somewhat satisfactory using the 'fbset' tool, which is underdocumented and generally a piece of crap |
| 10:45.46 | peterS | I mean of course I could undo it by rebooting, but I try to avoid rebooting more than about once a month, so. |
| 10:46.22 | bokey | peterS# =) |
| 10:46.32 | peterS | hmmm, this box _has_ been up 46 days (there was a power outage last month), maybe it has earned a reboot after all |
| 10:47.09 | bokey | peterS# i think switching runlevel would do. no ? i mean shutdown -a -t "now" ? |
| 10:47.28 | peterS | there seems to be no documented way to specify a video mode from /etc/fb.modes on the fbset command line. how stupid is that. |
| 10:47.32 | bokey | peterS# that would atleast reload everything properly ? |
| 10:47.42 | peterS | bokey: by "switching runlevel" you mean rebooting. that is what I try to avoid. |
| 10:48.15 | peterS | if a kernel module doesn't want to be unloaded (like matroxfb doesn't), changing to a different runlevel isn't going to convince it |
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| 10:48.47 | bokey | peterS# ahh.. =) why don't you drop a mail to the documentor ? |
| 10:49.06 | peterS | bokey: because then I will have effectively volunteered to clean up the documentation, which is something I don't really have time for right now |
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| 10:49.31 | giupy | hi all |
| 10:49.35 | peterS | especially since I don't even _want_ to use fbset, I'm just forced to by the fact that this framebuffer module was accidentally loaded onto my machine and it took over my console irretrievably |
| 10:49.36 | bokey | peterS# heeh... =) |
| 10:49.46 | peterS | well, I could switch into X, but then I'd have to use X |
| 10:50.04 | giupy | why when i try to open a file trough samba on a windows pc, it download it first? can i open it directly ? |
| 10:50.48 | peterS | giupy: what do you mean 'download'? every time you open a file over a network, certainly the file has to travel across the network, how else would it get to the windows application that wants to read it? |
| 10:51.22 | dockane | giupy: you need to mount that sambashare |
| 10:52.14 | giupy | dockane: so i can open i file directly like a windows-windows link ? |
| 10:52.40 | bokey | giupy# mount -t smbfs -username=your_username -password=your_password //windows_machine_ip /local_mount_dir should do no ? use your file manager to open /local_mount_dir |
| 10:53.47 | peterS | bokey: you're talking about smbfs which is on the debian side. sounds like he's talking about opening files on a windows machine, which uses Microsoft's CIFS stack instead |
| 10:54.04 | giupy | i use konqueror for see the hd of windows and shared dir on it, adn i see all i want but i must donwlad a file first to view it, when i try the same thing with a windows-windows link i can openthe file directly |
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| 10:54.36 | giupy | peterS: dunno about CIFS |
| 10:54.37 | peterS | giupy: no you can't open it "directly", the file is still transferred ("downloaded") across the network. the only difference is the presentation to the user |
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| 10:54.45 | bokey | giupy# mount -t cifs -username=your_username -password=your_password //windows_machine_ip /local_mount_dir I think as per peterS's suggesstion |
| 10:54.54 | giupy | ok i try |
| 10:55.21 | peterS | bokey: I don't think mount takes -username or -password arguments. I believe it is -o username=your_user,password=your_pass but I haven't really used the cifs module |
| 10:55.26 | bokey | giupy# also look at mount.cifs if you have that and I think you probably have it. |
| 10:55.47 | bokey | peterS# yup.. mistake. |
| 10:56.19 | bokey | =) |
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| 11:01.55 | Assassin5 | I'm about to add a rule to my firewall to attempt to block outgoing port 25 except from the server itself. How does this line look: |
| 11:02.00 | Assassin5 | -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.252.0 --dport 25 -j LOG --log-prefix "** Port 25 outgoing Dropped - " |
| 11:02.21 | giupy | where can i find cifs ? |
| 11:02.27 | giupy | is it a module |
| 11:02.29 | giupy | ? |
| 11:02.36 | peterS | giupy: it's a kernel module that comes only with 2.6 kernels |
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| 11:02.48 | peterS | giupy: it's an alternative to 'smbfs' which comes with older kernels as well |
| 11:02.51 | Assassin5 | then obviously the same line with the actual DROP command |
| 11:03.01 | peterS | cifs is a more sophisticated alternative, but smbfs also works fine |
| 11:03.21 | peterS | Assassin5: heh, I was going to ask about that. I don't really know iptables very well but I thought there should be a -j DROP in there somewhere (: |
| 11:03.41 | bokey | but I found cifs to be really a lot faster than smbfs with windows XP. |
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| 11:03.48 | Assassin5 | just want to log it becuase we have a mailer virus on the network that we can't find |
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| 11:05.05 | peterS | Assassin5: -p tcp -m tcp looks a bit redundant, I don't think -m is needed |
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| 11:05.33 | Assassin5 | that's what I thought. think it's a bit of fallout from our old server. |
| 11:05.48 | peterS | Assassin5: AFAICT, the rest of the rule looks fine. but as I said I'm hardly an iptables expert |
| 11:06.09 | Assassin5 | cool. I'm gonna run it and see what happens.... |
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| 11:06.27 | earthian | hello all !!! :) |
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| 11:06.43 | peterS | Assassin5: yeah, I guess just load it in and try telneting to mx1.hotmail.com port 25 from various places (: |
| 11:06.58 | earthian | can somebody help me configure iptables? i can paste what i want in #flood please? |
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| 11:08.06 | peterS | Assassin5: I'm not sure DROP is any better than REJECT here, either. I tend toward REJECT, all else being equal, it seems more TCP/IP compliant and easier to troubleshoot the network in the long run |
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| 11:09.00 | Assassin5 | ahh, but DROP gives no response hence a little better for creating a non responding port instead of a closed port. |
| 11:09.24 | Assassin5 | good for tying up the other end in it's own timeout |
| 11:09.24 | peterS | Assassin5: yeah but why? you're trying to stop stuff from your internal network. denying knowledge doesn't seem all that useful |
| 11:09.44 | peterS | oh, perhaps, a teergrube effect as it were, maybe it would make some difference to your internal net traffic |
| 11:09.47 | Assassin5 | guess I'm a paranoid git really. Good point though |
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| 11:10.26 | peterS | presumably the problem goes away on its own as soon as you take a look at your logs and note the offending IPs on your net |
| 11:10.35 | peterS | so REJECT vs DROP won't make much difference either way (: |
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| 11:11.11 | Assassin5 | true |
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| 11:15.41 | earthian | can somebody help me configure iptables? i can paste what i want in #flood please? join there if you interested |
| 11:15.45 | earthian | hm |
| 11:15.46 | earthian | !paste |
| 11:15.46 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 11:18.06 | blondie | earthian: paste it into pastebin |
| 11:18.14 | earthian | ok |
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| 11:20.17 | earthian | pasted |
| 11:20.20 | earthian | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4420 |
| 11:20.42 | Assassin5 | hmm not sure my rule is right.... |
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| 11:24.58 | earthian | can somebody help me with my network configuration: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4420 p.p.s would be perfect if your suggestion would make me able to connect more computers to the lan and share inet with them too (i.e. VMWare server virtual machines!) |
| 11:24.58 | petemc | earthian: have you tried googling for iptables how to, or looked at the ipmasq package? |
| 11:25.11 | earthian | i do not need ipmasq |
| 11:25.23 | earthian | what i need is to make somehow routes |
| 11:25.31 | earthian | from eth0 to eth1 |
| 11:25.33 | earthian | or so |
| 11:25.44 | earthian | and i did not googled it yet |
| 11:26.04 | earthian | i know exact ips of my nameservers so i do not need ipmasq. |
| 11:26.06 | earthian | oh |
| 11:26.07 | earthian | soz |
| 11:26.09 | earthian | ipmsq |
| 11:26.10 | earthian | yes |
| 11:26.11 | earthian | :) |
| 11:26.14 | earthian | i use it now |
| 11:26.26 | earthian | i mistaken it with dnsmasq |
| 11:26.27 | earthian | :) |
| 11:26.56 | earthian | but each time i restart my computer or shut it down and then if someone boots it again i need to run ipmasq again |
| 11:27.21 | earthian | maybe if i put it somewhere in startup when all connections are up it would be enough? :S |
| 11:28.35 | earthian | another issue is that my pppoe seems to connect sometimes at boottime to internet and sometimes it connects but there is no actual connection.. i.e. i have outside ip from isp? but the internet actually is unreachable.. |
| 11:28.44 | earthian | feels like pppd connects too early maybe? |
| 11:28.58 | nachos | lol, are you having fun talking to yourself there earthian ? |
| 11:29.05 | earthian | :/ |
| 11:29.13 | nachos | you've been talking non-stop for 5 minutes. |
| 11:29.16 | earthian | i hope somebody reads and types an answer :) |
| 11:29.22 | nachos | hehe ;-) |
| 11:29.22 | earthian | :o |
| 11:29.25 | nachos | boy i love ruby |
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| 11:30.06 | earthian | hm.. somehow freenode is dead at this time of the day... |
| 11:30.21 | earthian | will wait and repeat it later in evening |
| 11:30.25 | earthian | ;) |
| 11:30.35 | diilbertAtWork | There is a common to add things to boot .. but I can't remember it ... is has something to do with update something.. hopefully someone will refresh my memory |
| 11:30.37 | petemc | wouldnt it be easier/quicker to find out yourself? |
| 11:31.08 | lunitik | diilbertAtWork: update-rc.d ? |
| 11:31.20 | petemc | the ipmasq package should automagically start at boot |
| 11:31.21 | Assassin5 | only dead at this time of the day because the americans are probably still asleep. |
| 11:31.28 | lunitik | diilbertAtWork: thats not actually the prefered way to do it though... |
| 11:31.40 | diilbertAtWork | lunitik that is what Iwas looking for |
| 11:31.42 | peterS | earthian: earthian: you won't get any good answers by typing 1 word per line and "thinking aloud". please wait until you have formed a complete thought and then write it as a complete thought, all at once. it is much easier to read that way and you have a much better chance that anyone will bother to help you. |
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| 11:31.50 | diilbertAtWork | lunitik: what is the preferred way ? |
| 11:31.54 | petemc | i still use scripts in /etc/rc.boot/ |
| 11:32.06 | petemc | tho its been deprecated for years |
| 11:32.11 | lunitik | diilbertAtWork: I'm not actually sure... thats the way I use :) |
| 11:32.35 | earthian | hanks peterS for advice :) |
| 11:32.38 | earthian | thanks* |
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| 11:33.12 | diilbertAtWork | lunitik: lol... where is it located ? |
| 11:33.19 | diilbertAtWork | I know it is somewhere weird |
| 11:33.28 | lunitik | diilbertAtWork: it should be in your path..... |
| 11:33.44 | lunitik | diilbertAtWork: 'up[tab]' :) |
| 11:33.52 | diilbertAtWork | lunitik: nm.. I was trying as a user instead of root :p |
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| 11:45.39 | solars | hi, does anyone know a tools that lets me run a script after the user is idle for a given time on his computer ? |
| 11:46.23 | solars | (to forward notifications to a mobile device) |
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| 11:49.03 | plutonas | solars: maybe you should write a script yourserf |
| 11:49.16 | solars | based on what? :) |
| 11:49.46 | solars | I'm sure there is some way to access the idle state |
| 11:50.02 | plutonas | on sleep() |
| 11:50.04 | solars | which is used for energy control or so |
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| 11:51.22 | solars | plutonas, you mean use sleep and reset it on input ? |
| 11:51.49 | plutonas | yes |
| 11:51.57 | plutonas | thats my idea |
| 11:52.18 | plutonas | but I don't know, maybe there is a tool |
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| 11:52.45 | solars | hm yeah.. its not that easy to check for input by hand |
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| 11:53.04 | bokey | isn't debian3.1 old enough with 2.4.x kernel ? |
| 11:53.20 | tralala | bokey, it has 2.6.8 also |
| 11:53.45 | bokey | tralala# holy cow, i downloaded 2.4 one.. and I have already installed it halfway |
| 11:53.47 | tralala | and unofficial 2.6.18 |
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| 11:54.12 | tralala | bokey, it's okay you will upgrade later. |
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| 11:54.34 | bokey | i guess, i can just download the barebone kernel 2.6.18 later and make it. thanks tralala |
| 11:54.37 | plutonas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.54 | tralala | bokey, you could, but that's not such a great idea |
| 11:55.10 | solars | plutonas, yeah, I think I'll do that, thank you |
| 11:55.12 | bokey | tralala# so you mean update the whole distribution ? |
| 11:55.15 | coywolf | how do I use a tcp/ip printer in debian? |
| 11:55.28 | coywolf | !print |
| 11:55.28 | dpkg | [print] see printer |
| 11:55.31 | coywolf | !printer |
| 11:55.31 | dpkg | somebody said printer was a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 11:55.33 | tralala | bokey, I mean upgrade only the kernel to 2.6.8 using apt |
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| 11:55.49 | bokey | tralala# I have already downloaded 600+ packages. |
| 11:55.54 | bokey | tralala# i get what you mean. =) |
| 11:56.07 | Robert | Hi. I'm currently running testing on several systems, but I'd like to start using stable when the next version is released. What's the best way to do this? |
| 11:56.28 | cydork | Robert: change the sources.list to etch and you will be fine |
| 11:56.30 | petemc | put "etch" in sources.;list |
| 11:56.30 | bokey | tralala# so I would need to upgrade almost all of them to work with 2.6.x ? |
| 11:56.58 | Robert | Thanks. Can I do that now, before the release, without things going boom? |
| 11:57.13 | phpnuborn | is there an option for the ls command to sort by filenames but list filter directories to the top.. (DOS: dir /a /o:gn ) |
| 11:57.15 | tralala | bokey, no everything will work just fine with 2.6.8. The vast majority of the applications are kernel independant. |
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| 11:57.51 | bokey | tralala# ok.. thanks for your confirmation.. atleast I feel better now. |
| 11:57.55 | bokey | tralala# =) |
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| 11:58.37 | tralala | bokey, you might want to read some of the fine debian documents over at debian.org |
| 11:59.17 | bokey | tralala# yeah, i'll once I get this install process going. doing various configuration atm. =) |
| 12:00.00 | Malagmyr | How can I purge unsent messages from postfix? |
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| 12:00.40 | solars | plutonas, it seems as if this could be done with 'xprintidle' and a cron job |
| 12:01.09 | tralala | Malagmyr, man mailq (if postfix has one) |
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| 12:02.00 | plutonas | solars: I see, thanks for coming back and telling me the solution! I'll have that in mind |
| 12:02.07 | bokey | !ibritish |
| 12:02.09 | solars | plutonas, np :) |
| 12:02.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:02.12 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:02.38 | bokey | !ekiga |
| 12:02.39 | dpkg | well, ekiga is a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program "netmeeting". formerly known as 'gnomemeeting' |
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| 12:03.18 | bokey | !capplets |
| 12:03.29 | tralala | bokey, /msg the bot |
| 12:04.04 | bokey | who's the bot here ? |
| 12:04.17 | tralala | the one that answers your !questions |
| 12:04.32 | tralala | !bot |
| 12:04.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:05.14 | cydork | tralala: you killed him ;) |
| 12:05.24 | tralala | cydork, you mean her ;) |
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| 12:05.31 | bokey | why did bot quit ? |
| 12:05.39 | cydork | !gender |
| 12:05.39 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 12:05.40 | Fox | he came back |
| 12:05.45 | Fox | !nuke dpkg |
| 12:06.45 | bokey | !nuke Fox |
| 12:06.56 | Fox | :/ |
| 12:07.36 | bokey | are these commands documented somewhere I can read ? for this channel ? |
| 12:08.24 | bokey | !invoke-rc.d |
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| 12:10.01 | cydork | bokey: use man invoke-rc.d |
| 12:10.03 | cydork | :P |
| 12:10.03 | Coke | I've been having problems assigning specific drivers to specific ALSA cards and googling on "alsa card order" is too wide. How do I make a specific driver into a specific card in ALSA? (i.e make hda-intel card 0 always) |
| 12:10.26 | tralala | bokey: /msg dpkg help |
| 12:10.27 | bokey | cydork# yeah, I am too lazy i guess. =) |
| 12:10.54 | tralala | bokey, maybe you should stick to windows then |
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| 12:11.27 | bokey | tralala# =) |
| 12:12.01 | bokey | tralala# thanks for the suggesstion though. =) |
| 12:12.10 | bokey | !say |
| 12:12.11 | dpkg | say what? |
| 12:12.14 | bokey | !say suck |
| 12:12.15 | dpkg | suck |
| 12:12.40 | bokey | !suck |
| 12:12.40 | dpkg | suck is, like, an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 12:12.41 | tralala | bokey, again use /msg, don't spam the channel for no reason |
| 12:12.54 | bokey | tralala# ok. =) i wont. |
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| 12:13.32 | cydork | Coke: udev rules? |
| 12:13.42 | bokey | will someone come with a package called phuck soon ? |
| 12:13.56 | bokey | =) |
| 12:14.13 | Coke | cydork: udev? what exactly does it do? |
| 12:14.15 | tralala | Coke, I think alsa drivers have "index" parameter |
| 12:14.28 | Coke | tralala: I am using those, they are ignored. |
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| 12:15.13 | Coke | I added my own options in /etc/modutils/alsa-homebrew and then update-modules. |
| 12:15.15 | tralala | hmm, have you tried to use alias snd-card-0 instead? |
| 12:15.24 | Coke | Checked in /etc/modules.conf that they were there and they were. |
| 12:15.24 | cyzie | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. //lol |
| 12:15.43 | Coke | tralala: no. |
| 12:15.45 | tralala | modules.conf is not used with recent modprobe versions |
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| 12:16.50 | tralala | Coke, did you try to manually modprobe snd-yourcard index=0? |
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| 12:16.59 | derek[] | Hi |
| 12:17.16 | Coke | tralala: no. |
| 12:17.20 | Coke | tralala: but it should work. |
| 12:17.23 | derek[] | Problem with starting X (for the first time after installation): http://derek.shorturl.com/temp/startx_error/startx_error.html |
| 12:17.40 | Coke | tralala: I'm thinking that my options as specified in /etc/modutils/alsa are ineffective |
| 12:17.51 | Coke | what is this snd-card-0 you speak of? |
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| 12:18.40 | tralala | Coke, if it does then perhaps there are some other files in /etc/modprobe that take priority over your options. grep your module there and make sure that it's found in only one palce |
| 12:18.48 | CiCCia-88 | hi all |
| 12:18.49 | CiCCia-88 | :o |
| 12:18.56 | derek[] | ciao |
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| 12:19.04 | CiCCia-88 | lol |
| 12:19.06 | CiCCia-88 | are u italian? |
| 12:19.07 | CiCCia-88 | :°D |
| 12:19.12 | derek[] | no |
| 12:19.40 | CiCCia-88 | d'ho |
| 12:19.40 | CiCCia-88 | :/ |
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| 12:19.55 | DiRTyEleKtr0 | hey all |
| 12:20.00 | Coke | tralala: I don't have /etc/modprobe, only the dir /etc/modprobe.d |
| 12:20.00 | DiRTyEleKtr0 | i need a bit of help |
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| 12:20.10 | DiRTyEleKtr0 | is this a hungarian server? |
| 12:20.13 | LordScin | CiCCia-88, i'm italian :D |
| 12:20.15 | tralala | CiCCia-88, I think your keyboard will work just fine even if you don't press enter after every 4 or so keystorkes |
| 12:20.17 | Coke | tralala: and the files there only include install snd-hda-intel |
| 12:20.27 | CiCCia-88 | lol |
| 12:20.33 | tralala | Coke, yep, I meant /etc/modprobe.d |
| 12:20.36 | CiCCia-88 | LordScin really? |
| 12:20.38 | CiCCia-88 | i'm too |
| 12:20.39 | CiCCia-88 | :°D |
| 12:20.42 | derek[] | Can someone help me please? |
| 12:20.47 | LordScin | lol |
| 12:20.52 | derek[] | http://chanel.dip.jp/~derek/temp/startx_error/startx_error.html |
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| 12:21.17 | Coke | tralala: well. as I understand it from the man pages, /etc/modules.conf is the file that does it all when it comes to configuring modules. It is in perfect order. |
| 12:21.17 | bokey | tralala# i don't want to run mail server, yet I want to be able to fetch&send mails using my computer connected to gmail/yahoo watever. Now which one should I choose ? 1. internet site; mail is sent and recieved directly using smtp 2. mail sent by smarthost; recieved via smtp or fetchmail 3. same as 2 but no local mail 5. manually convert from handcrafted Exim v3 configuration 6. no configuration at this time ?? which one ? |
| 12:21.25 | tralala | Coke, install? Why install? You need options line |
| 12:21.33 | Coke | tralala: not in modprobe.d |
| 12:21.38 | CiCCia-88 | tralala pr0t |
| 12:21.39 | CiCCia-88 | :| |
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| 12:22.20 | bokey | tralala# option 1 seems the best candidate |
| 12:22.32 | tralala | Coke, add one |
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| 12:23.08 | Coke | tralala: options are in modules.conf |
| 12:23.50 | bokey | Coke# you got any ideas ? |
| 12:23.55 | tralala | bokey, for webmail you don't need mailserver. If you want to use your ISP's mailserver or gmail's then you go for smarthost |
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| 12:24.07 | tralala | Coke, good, now add them in /etc/modprobe.d as well |
| 12:24.08 | Coke | bokey: you should use a mail server |
| 12:24.14 | Coke | tralala: that would be redundant |
| 12:24.31 | Coke | tralala: NOBODY would design a system that requires you to enter the same configuration twice in two different locations |
| 12:24.38 | bokey | tralala# in Ubuntu i directly use mozilla-thunderbird to get yahoo and gmail mails without running mail server. |
| 12:24.56 | tralala | Coke, then add them in /etc/modprobe.d and remove them from modules.conf. That won't be redundant |
| 12:25.11 | Coke | bokey: reconfigure your exim installation, make it a "smarthost", then install and configure fetchmail (and optionally procmail). |
| 12:25.33 | Coke | bokey: fetchmail will get email from pop, imap (and what not) and inject it into your local exim smarthost. |
| 12:25.47 | Coke | bokey: procmail will filter email within the exim process |
| 12:25.54 | bokey | Coke# so its option 2. mail sent by smarthost; recieved via smtp or fetchmail |
| 12:26.01 | cydork | bokey: yahoo and gmail both give pop access, just configure your thunderbird to do that |
| 12:26.11 | Coke | bokey: indeed. it is the smartest way so that's what I would do. |
| 12:26.22 | Coke | cydork: that's retarded. |
| 12:26.27 | Coke | what if he wants to change client? |
| 12:26.30 | tralala | bokey, if you use thunderbird then you can get away with local mail delivery only and you will use your ISP's server for sending. |
| 12:26.36 | Coke | configure again? |
| 12:27.09 | cydork | Coke: he said he used to do that? so what's the problem now? |
| 12:27.31 | Coke | bokey: I've got three or four e-mail accounts, I use the smarthost solution and it's excellent because I can use mutt and my friends use some gtk client, but we all have our mail conveniently in maildirs in home. |
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| 12:27.52 | Coke | cydork: he has leveled up on Debian Skill |
| 12:28.20 | Coke | he also has the help of #debian |
| 12:28.22 | tralala | Coke, smarthost+fetchmail is great but much more difficult to setup initially |
| 12:28.27 | bokey | tralala# option 2. mail sent by smarthost; recieved via smtp or fetchmail ? |
| 12:28.36 | tompaw69 | morning. |
| 12:28.37 | Coke | tralala: indeed. |
| 12:28.51 | tompaw69 | where can I find nice repos for amd-64 sarge? |
| 12:28.52 | tralala | bokey, if you ask me - local delivery only |
| 12:28.58 | Coke | But the latest stable has great package configuration for it. |
| 12:29.09 | Coke | In exim you just choose "smarthost" and fill in the recieving e-mail addresses. |
| 12:29.21 | Coke | it will fix the email aliases and exim configuration by automagic |
| 12:29.31 | tralala | tompaw69, debian.org |
| 12:29.35 | Coke | then install fetchmail and it will ask for some pop/imap accounts. |
| 12:29.36 | bokey | tralala# I do not use ISP's mail server in mozilla thunderbird under Ubuntu |
| 12:29.48 | tralala | bokey, so what do you use? |
| 12:30.13 | Coke | bokey: well, you've got your advice, if you think you can manage to setup exim and fetchmail you are just two steps away from having the ultimate e-mail solution. :) |
| 12:30.53 | tompaw69 | tralala: no mysql 5.0 on debian.org :< |
| 12:31.17 | tralala | tompaw69: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:31.44 | bokey | tralala# I do not user any smtp/pop client when using thunderbird. |
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| 12:32.20 | wathek | hello all |
| 12:32.25 | Fox | bokey: what do you use thunderbird for then ? :) |
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| 12:32.44 | bokey | tralala# thunderbird probably is a pop/smtp client. |
| 12:32.48 | bokey | Fox: =) |
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| 12:33.24 | bokey | Coke# thanks I'll choose option 2 and see what happens.=) |
| 12:34.03 | tompaw69 | tralala: thx :) |
| 12:34.16 | tralala | bokey, thunderbird needs smtp server configured for you to send mail |
| 12:34.22 | tralala | tompaw69: you're welcome |
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| 12:36.53 | psycodad | if i install linux-headers-2.6.17-2 in etch-amd64, where do my kernel-headers end up |
| 12:37.13 | bokey | tralala# i think it doesn't require one. |
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| 12:38.30 | psycodad | or otherwise, how can i find with apt or dpkg where the files of package gets installed? |
| 12:38.57 | cydork | psycodad: /usr/src |
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| 12:40.05 | psycodad | cydork: thx, i've been confused by the mass of header-packages |
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| 12:41.19 | tralala | bokey, think again and/or go to thunderbird account settings and notice the text "Outgoint Server (SMTP)" |
| 12:42.17 | bokey | tralala# yeah, i get your point, but that's not local smtp server, it's the yahoo's/gmail's stmp server |
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| 12:42.29 | psycodad | cydork: how come there is now version.h inside /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-2/include/linux |
| 12:42.58 | tralala | bokey, my point exactly - your thunderbird will use yahoo/gmail so your exim doesn't need to do any mail delivery (save for local) |
| 12:43.23 | bokey | tralala# :) chose option 2. if I ever wanted to use mutt :) |
| 12:43.29 | tompaw69 | btw - there's a bug in the mysql5.0 bpo installer |
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| 12:43.44 | bokey | tralala# everything's set up, should I just reboot now or change run level ? |
| 12:43.57 | tompaw69 | if LC_ALL=C BLOC_KSIZE= df --portability $datadir/. | tail -n 1 | awk '{ exit ($4>4096) }'; then |
| 12:44.00 | tompaw69 | blah |
| 12:44.12 | tompaw69 | there is a BLOCK_SIZE and it doesn't work |
| 12:44.21 | tompaw69 | changing to BLOCKSIZE fixes it up :) |
| 12:44.25 | tralala | bokey, neither |
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| 12:44.51 | bokey | tralala# start gdm then ? |
| 12:45.27 | bokey | tralala# i am talking about after base-config finishes. |
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| 12:45.54 | tralala | bokey, just use your computer in any way you like. Once base-config is done your system is ready for use. |
| 12:46.23 | bokey | tralala# cool. =) |
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| 12:48.12 | bokey | tralala# deb is so similar to ubuntu (or the other way round). |
| 12:48.16 | bokey | =) |
| 12:48.48 | tralala | I've never seen ubuntu |
| 12:51.13 | bokey | tralala# Ubuntu is Deb's fork. it's a nice distribution. :) |
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| 12:51.36 | tralala | bokey, okay |
| 12:51.37 | wathek | how can I remove cups from my system ? |
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| 12:52.13 | tralala | wathek, uninstall it |
| 12:52.23 | wathek | tralala, apt-get remove ? |
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| 12:53.10 | tralala | wathek, this is one of the ways |
| 12:53.29 | wathek | ok I remove everything that contains the name cups ? |
| 12:54.11 | tralala | It's up to you |
| 12:54.50 | wathek | alright let me explain my prob I got an usb printer Canon Pixma iP1000 I'd like to make it working under my debian |
| 12:54.58 | Fox | apt-get --purge remove cups* -s and see what it removes |
| 12:55.13 | wathek | so I can share it with the other persons on my network |
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| 12:55.30 | wathek | I succeded making it working under Fedora Core 5 |
| 12:55.32 | wathek | with cups |
| 12:56.06 | wathek | so I thought that it'll be better if I remove cups and reinstall it and retry from the begining |
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| 12:56.46 | tralala | wathek, how will reinstalling help? Maybe you just need to reconfigure it. |
| 12:57.14 | wathek | euh I'd like to try |
| 12:57.28 | tralala | for "user friendly" setup use foomatic-gui |
| 12:57.47 | tralala | wathek, I think you should reduce your windows involvment |
| 12:58.18 | bokey | is kerenel developed concurrently ? why is the default kernel 2.4.18 in sarge ? |
| 12:58.21 | wathek | tralala, I don't have X under My debian, |
| 12:59.09 | ThomasPorter | How would I copy a .htaccess automatically via a skel folder? As '.htaccess' isn't readable by apache :S |
| 12:59.22 | ThomasPorter | Because of the ' . ' |
| 12:59.53 | tralala | wathek, in that case you can edit the config files using vim |
| 13:00.09 | wathek | editing it to do what ? |
| 13:00.15 | bokey | my /etc/resolv.conf keeps changing on every boot (2 done so far) |
| 13:00.19 | tralala | to setup your printer |
| 13:00.29 | wathek | tralala, I need to install a driver for it |
| 13:00.36 | wathek | tralala, can't I use the web interface ? |
| 13:00.59 | tralala | bokey, it was back then when sarge was released. It could still be. |
| 13:01.47 | bokey | tralala# i c. my resolv.conf keeps changing so i can't access internet without changing it. |
| 13:02.10 | tralala | wathek, I'm not sure. I think you need some of the foomatic packages for printer drivers |
| 13:02.24 | wathek | huh ?! |
| 13:03.51 | ThomasPorter | Hey all, I need to copy a .htaccess file using a skel folder (the folder is providered by VHCS called 'domain_default_page')... But it doesn't seem to copy. I assume this is because of the nature of the filename... the dot infront of htaccess makes it root readable only.. how would I overcome this problem? |
| 13:04.10 | tralala | bokey, I've never had this problem. Do you use dhcp? |
| 13:04.54 | wathek | what does it mean 'rc' in dpkg -l ? |
| 13:05.42 | tralala | removed,configured |
| 13:05.49 | wathek | ah ok |
| 13:06.08 | bokey | tralala# yup. |
| 13:06.20 | wathek | cupsd: Child exited with status 98! |
| 13:06.21 | wathek | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.22 | wathek | huh ?! |
| 13:06.37 | bokey | tralala# I just used network-admin to reconfigure and set the primary and secondary dns settings.. didn't touch /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:06.55 | bokey | that seems to work until next boot.. but i'll check again. |
| 13:07.10 | tralala | bokey, your dhcp server is sending you a nameserver |
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| 13:07.42 | tralala | and a wrong one it seems |
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| 13:08.55 | amit | hey fellas |
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| 13:11.46 | concept10 | !mono |
| 13:11.46 | dpkg | it has been said that mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 13:12.43 | concept10 | will etch include mono in standard install? |
| 13:12.44 | bokey | tralala# it's back on track :) |
| 13:13.14 | bokey | tralala# setting primary and secondary dns in network-admin did the job. |
| 13:13.46 | bokey | concept10# I am serious about getting mono on my new debian sarge =) |
| 13:13.46 | tralala | bokey, until the next reboot or until you fix your dhcp server |
| 13:13.56 | bokey | tralala# next reboot. |
| 13:13.58 | bokey | =) |
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| 13:14.11 | bokey | tralala# and also using dhcp. |
| 13:14.56 | concept10 | bokey, are you serious? |
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| 13:16.03 | bokey | concept10# yes, my work requires .NET on windows but it kinda sucks because I do not like using windows anymore than using vs 2005 so I'll get mono =) |
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| 13:16.33 | bokey | concept10# probably end up using mono + eclipse or something |
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| 13:17.59 | concept10 | I just read something disturbing about mono. it probably doesnt affect the normal developer |
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| 13:19.55 | rohan | is it sensible to install debian etch from another non debian distro using debootstrap ? my cd burner is not working atm, which is why need to go through this rigmarole |
| 13:21.26 | bokey | concept10# what's that ? |
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| 13:22.25 | concept10 | bokey, When a developer contributes code to the C# compiler or the Mono runtime engine, we require that the author grants Novell the right to relicense his/her contribution under other licensing terms. |
| 13:22.35 | cydork | rohan: yep. or you can use floppies, usb stick :P |
| 13:23.41 | rohan | cydork: are there any floppy images of the installer ? |
| 13:23.44 | ThomasPorter | 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data root 4096 2006-11-11 09:42 .layout How would I change it so it says www-data www-data instead of www-data root |
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| 13:23.49 | rohan | my pc is so old that it cannot boot from usb |
| 13:24.06 | amit | concept10: Maybe cuz of the new Microvell thingy?? :P |
| 13:24.30 | concept10 | amit, im not sure when that was changed |
| 13:24.40 | bokey | concept10# you mean in effect, Novell license shadows our own license ? Nonsense! |
| 13:24.49 | concept10 | but that does explain somethings |
| 13:24.51 | amit | cydork: etch with floppies?? :P how many..50?? :P |
| 13:24.58 | rohan | amit: lol |
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| 13:25.37 | amit | concept10: changed what? |
| 13:25.46 | henk | I'm trying to set up xen3 using the packages on etch on a host with 4+ GB. There seems to be a pae version of the hypervisor but there is no pae version for the linux-image-xen so there is no way to get this working. I'm I overlooking something or is this just a missing part of the xen packages ? |
| 13:25.49 | cydork | amit: net install :) |
| 13:25.55 | rohan | i only need something to start the installer, like the business card cd image |
| 13:26.00 | rohan | cydork: exactly what i want |
| 13:26.07 | bokey | concept10# imaging if I were a xyz corporation and I wish to GPL instead, will Novell license shadow my GPLed code ? No way! |
| 13:26.31 | cydork | !tell rohan about floppy |
| 13:27.06 | cydork | hey when did security support woody ended? |
| 13:27.07 | rohan | wow cydork , thanks |
| 13:27.08 | bokey | concept10# where did you read that ? |
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| 13:27.26 | cydork | s/support/support for/ |
| 13:27.42 | rohan | btw, the "floppies" factoid has wrong english |
| 13:28.04 | concept10 | bokey, on the mono site itself. look under licensing |
| 13:28.31 | rohan | cydork: the etch floppies have only 2 disk images - cd and net drivers |
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| 13:28.35 | rohan | are those 2 enough ? |
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| 13:28.49 | Fox | no |
| 13:28.53 | rohan | Fox: ok .. |
| 13:28.55 | Fox | there are no more floppies for etch |
| 13:29.00 | rohan | Fox: ah .. |
| 13:29.00 | Fox | use sarge floppies and upgrade |
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| 13:29.10 | rohan | then the floppies factoid is downright wrong |
| 13:29.16 | rohan | "If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch"." |
| 13:29.34 | Fox | that needs to be changed |
| 13:29.36 | rohan | damn ! how then, do i install etch :( |
| 13:29.38 | Fox | :) |
| 13:29.41 | amit | yeah.. |
| 13:29.42 | rohan | Fox: true :) |
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| 13:30.11 | cydork | rohan: i think it's enough |
| 13:30.23 | rohan | cydork: just drivers ?! |
| 13:30.33 | amit | okay..just a bootable floppy to get you started? |
| 13:30.43 | rohan | amit: yeah, just one |
| 13:30.51 | rohan | something like the business card cd |
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| 13:31.04 | rohan | or should i just go for debootstrap method ? |
| 13:31.05 | Fox | cydork: you want him to boot with (cd|net)-drivers.img ? :) |
| 13:31.10 | rohan | Fox: exactly :) |
| 13:31.12 | amit | cd ROM not working?? :P thats the biggest problem |
| 13:31.20 | rohan | amit: cd burner not working |
| 13:31.28 | Fox | why don't you want to use sarge floppies and upgrade ? |
| 13:31.32 | TolstoyInLove | where can i find my current kernel config (debian sarge 2.8) |
| 13:31.33 | rohan | amit: i have 2 optical drives .. the reader is fine |
| 13:31.35 | TolstoyInLove | ? |
| 13:31.42 | rohan | Fox: hmm |
| 13:31.43 | cydork | Fox: ohh no just boot floopy? |
| 13:31.59 | rohan | damn, there _has_ to be a way to boot computers using iso's :( |
| 13:32.10 | cydork | rohan: you have usb stick? |
| 13:32.15 | rohan | cydork: yes, i do |
| 13:32.31 | Fox | "rohan > my pc is so old that it cannot boot from usb" |
| 13:32.33 | rohan | 18:54 < rohan> my pc is so old that it cannot boot from usb |
| 13:32.37 | rohan | Fox: :) |
| 13:32.39 | Fox | :) |
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| 13:33.03 | rohan | 550mhz p3 .. guess how much i'd make if i sell it to a collector of old pcs ? ;) |
| 13:33.21 | Fox | 2cents |
| 13:33.23 | Fox | :) |
| 13:33.32 | rohan | lol |
| 13:33.39 | amit | rohan: then how do you use USBs..lol |
| 13:33.49 | OsRo | exists an image of installation with the kernel prepared for xen? |
| 13:33.59 | rohan | amit: i have no devices that use the usb port |
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| 13:34.12 | rohan | in fact, this pc has only 2 usb 1.1 ports, out of which one is not working |
| 13:34.13 | amit | rohan: oh..okay |
| 13:34.17 | Fox | rohan: you might try these floppies in fact: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 13:34.26 | Fox | might be etch |
| 13:34.29 | rohan | ah, great |
| 13:34.43 | rohan | lol, now i'll need to find 5 floppis ;) |
| 13:34.57 | rohan | *floppies |
| 13:35.06 | rohan | but thanks a LOT, Fox , for linking :) |
| 13:35.07 | Fox | that's not #debian's problem anymore :) |
| 13:35.13 | rohan | true. |
| 13:35.24 | rohan | what is the root.img for ? |
| 13:35.25 | amit | Fox: how do i get full multimedia support on ma debian box? suggest some non-free reps |
| 13:35.40 | amit | Fox: at the moment, i don't remember any :( |
| 13:35.44 | rohan | amit: use marillat |
| 13:35.48 | rohan | aka debian-multimedia |
| 13:35.48 | lunitik | amit: debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:35.55 | Fox | could you define multimedia pleas ? |
| 13:36.06 | rohan | !tell amit about marillat |
| 13:36.27 | amit | just all the kaffeine and win32codecs, amarok with full mp3 support et al |
| 13:36.49 | amit | rohan: marillat? |
| 13:36.52 | rohan | amit: amarok has 'full mp3 support' depending on the engine |
| 13:36.54 | lunitik | Fox: thats the site... you want w32codecs and xine/mplayer (both in debian proper - at least sid) and probably libdvdcss2 |
| 13:37.02 | amit | lunitik: okay..looking at that site :) |
| 13:37.03 | rohan | amit: and if you use debian's xine, then it has 'full mp3 support' |
| 13:37.12 | rohan | amit: marillat == d-m.org |
| 13:37.20 | amit | rohan: k |
| 13:37.41 | amit | rohan: i am so much used to use SuSE that I worry about limited multimedia support et al :P |
| 13:37.59 | amit | rohan: can you post your sources.lst file somewherE? |
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| 13:38.05 | rohan | amit: wait |
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| 13:38.18 | amit | rohan: okay |
| 13:38.32 | lunitik | amit: what version of SUSE? 10.0 and later... its easier to set up on Debian :/ |
| 13:38.46 | rohan | that's the one for unstable, though - http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IlNXNn21.html |
| 13:38.51 | rohan | back when i used to use sid |
| 13:38.57 | rohan | exactly, lunitik |
| 13:39.25 | diilbertAtWork | What is the default runlevel when booting ? It is 3 I think.. |
| 13:39.34 | lunitik | diilbertAtWork: nope... 2 |
| 13:39.35 | amit | lunitik: yeah..SuSE 10.0 ..i could configure it ..but lol..i had to add a lotta extra reps et al..and then only i could get it to work |
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| 13:40.03 | rohan | amit: and suse uses rpm ! which is evil ! ;) |
| 13:40.10 | amit | diilbertAtWork: anything between 2-5 is multi-user right...so i don't think it really matters |
| 13:40.17 | lunitik | amit: most things you'll need are in debian sid... other than that... probably debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:40.27 | Fox | diilbertAtWork: grep default /etc/inittab |
| 13:40.27 | diilbertAtWork | k thanks... |
| 13:40.38 | sphex_ | hey there. does anyone with gftp could test something? if you start it with `PTHREAD_DIAGASSERT='a' gftp` and then try to connect to any site, does it core dump? It does here (cause that pthread setting is the default) and I'm not sure if it's supposed to... |
| 13:40.38 | lunitik | amit: on Debian... 2-5 are exactly the same by default |
| 13:40.41 | rohan | lunitik: now that mplayer is in sid, right ? ;) |
| 13:40.48 | lunitik | rohan: yes |
| 13:40.54 | amit | rohan: i tried to use apt-get on SuSE..it was working fine, but there aren't many reps you see...leads to a broken system..and CPIO bad magic errors which are quite frustrating |
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| 13:41.01 | rohan | but iceweasel is still not ! :( |
| 13:41.09 | TolstoyInLove | where can i find my current kernel config (debian sarge 2.8)? |
| 13:41.21 | rohan | TolstoyInLove: in /boot |
| 13:41.24 | amit | lunitik: can you post your sources.lst file plz :) |
| 13:41.43 | rohan | amit: tens of thousands of sources.list files will do you no good |
| 13:41.51 | TolstoyInLove | rohan, thanks |
| 13:41.53 | amit | rohan: lol |
| 13:41.56 | rohan | the one i pasted is the one recomended for most people, i think |
| 13:41.58 | amit | i am lazy to search around :( |
| 13:42.00 | rohan | TolstoyInLove: np :) |
| 13:42.06 | Fox | rohan: it's in sid, but without all non-free codecs :) |
| 13:42.09 | amit | and i don't have a good browser...i don't really like konqueror |
| 13:42.18 | rohan | amit: why do you need more repo's than the ones which i pasted ? |
| 13:42.18 | amit | rohan: just installed etch (net-install) :) |
| 13:42.25 | rohan | Fox: yeah ;( |
| 13:42.28 | amit | rohan: where did you paste ?? |
| 13:42.30 | rohan | amit: you make me jealous ! |
| 13:42.34 | rohan | amit: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IlNXNn21.html |
| 13:42.43 | rohan | 19:09 < rohan> that's the one for unstable, though - http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IlNXNn21.html |
| 13:42.49 | amit | rohan:lol..i never got this link..taking a look at it..:) |
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| 13:42.57 | rohan | ok |
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| 13:43.08 | rohan | well, debootstrap it is, then :( |
| 13:43.39 | amit | rohan: i see you are using sid...not happy with that?? |
| 13:43.49 | rohan | amit: that was from back when i used to use sid |
| 13:43.50 | rohan | not anymore |
| 13:43.57 | rohan | sid is not for me, i learnt it the hard way |
| 13:43.59 | rohan | its still installed |
| 13:44.10 | rohan | surprising the fact that sid always finds fs errors on that partition |
| 13:44.13 | amit | rohan: hehe...completely broken system thing? |
| 13:44.15 | rohan | whereas no other distro does |
| 13:44.21 | rohan | its not a hard disk physical error |
| 13:44.37 | amit | rohan: how about rebuild tree if you are using reiserfs? |
| 13:44.40 | rohan | i cannot blame sid for it, but then i don't know what to do |
| 13:44.46 | rohan | amit: i did that, doesnt help |
| 13:44.56 | rohan | any filesystem always dies .. atleast sid thinks so |
| 13:45.20 | Fox | did you fsck the partition ? |
| 13:45.23 | rohan | which is mighty strange |
| 13:45.25 | rohan | Fox: yes, i did |
| 13:45.30 | rohan | Fox: no errors |
| 13:45.40 | rohan | but then strangely files always get deleted |
| 13:45.44 | Fox | how does sid tell there are errors then ? |
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| 13:45.58 | rohan | Fox: files get delted - important configs go missing |
| 13:46.11 | rohan | Fox: and when i use .forcefsck from within it, it always fixes fs error |
| 13:46.13 | rohan | +s |
| 13:46.46 | rohan | thinking that it might be a sid problem, i thought of trying etch |
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| 13:46.58 | rohan | but i still cant fathom as to how it might be a sid problem |
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| 13:48.10 | rohan | it has happened twice now |
| 13:48.21 | rohan | but as i said, other distros work on the same partition |
| 13:48.26 | rohan | which stumps me :( |
| 13:50.02 | bokey | with the apt-get install mozilla-firefox, how do I check which version will be installed |
| 13:50.04 | bokey | ? |
| 13:50.16 | rohan | bokey: apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox |
| 13:50.19 | rohan | that will tell you |
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| 13:51.40 | tralala | bokey, use aptitude's ncurses interface. Normally there is only one version of every packaged available in the stable branch. |
| 13:52.15 | bokey | geez, i need to upgrade this 2.4.27 kernel, it's too old! |
| 13:52.22 | bokey | rohan# thanks got it. |
| 13:52.25 | bokey | =) |
| 13:53.07 | rohan | bokey: :) |
| 13:53.13 | earthian | is anybody interested a nice way to install 32bit stuff on x64 machine? |
| 13:53.19 | tralala | bokey, this is easy - install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 13:53.23 | earthian | :) |
| 13:53.47 | earthian | anyway... |
| 13:53.47 | bokey | tralala# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 ? |
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| 13:54.10 | bokey | tralala# what about devel packages that I need for developing using gcc ? |
| 13:54.27 | rohan | bokey: apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:55.04 | bokey | rohan# reportes that version 10.1 will be installed |
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| 13:55.15 | bokey | rohan# meaning build-essential version 10.1 |
| 13:55.20 | rohan | yes, thats the meta package |
| 13:55.28 | bokey | tralala# why 2.6.8 and not 2.6.18 ? |
| 13:55.35 | tralala | bokey, build-essential |
| 13:56.10 | tralala | because 2.6.18 is not in sarge. You can get an unofficial build but you better have a real reason for doing so. |
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| 13:56.44 | bokey | tralala# etch runs on later kernel ? |
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| 13:57.11 | rohan | yes |
| 13:57.13 | tralala | bokey, it will when it's released. |
| 13:57.15 | rohan | 2.6.17 iirc |
| 13:57.41 | rohan | yes, 2.6.17 |
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| 13:58.09 | bokey | tralala# kernel-image-2.6.8 reports couldn't find the package |
| 13:58.13 | rohan | ok, bye all, off for now .. bbl .. |
| 13:58.19 | bokey | rohan# tata |
| 13:58.23 | rohan | bye, bokey |
| 13:58.39 | tralala | bokey, use aptitude |
| 13:58.42 | bokey | tralala# what is your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 13:59.37 | tralala | bokey, what does this have to do with anything? |
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| 14:00.08 | bokey | tralala# doesn't apt use sources.list ? |
| 14:00.51 | tralala | bokey, if you keep ignoring my advice to use aptitude I might just as well start ignoring your questions |
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| 14:01.35 | bokey | tralala# i don't like aptitude, synaptic should do for now ? =) |
| 14:02.00 | tralala | I don't know synaptic |
| 14:02.09 | abrotman | what's the real issue ? |
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| 14:02.26 | tralala | abrotman, 2.6.8 |
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| 14:02.43 | abrotman | that's an issue? |
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| 14:02.59 | abrotman | november2: buy me beer at BJs! |
| 14:03.13 | bokey | abrotman# =) |
| 14:03.22 | bokey | tralala# thanks alot though. =) |
| 14:03.24 | tralala | oh wait, that's not the real issue. The real issue is that bokey cannot be bothered to read the docs and wants us to give him the solution of every n00b question he has. |
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| 14:03.33 | abrotman | bokey: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 14:03.41 | november2 | woah heh |
| 14:04.09 | abrotman | november2: no .. wait .. Bot's! .. erm .. The brewing company! |
| 14:04.31 | bokey | abrotman# trying to get kernel 2.6.8 using synaptic. tralala suggested to use dselect, well I like synaptic, so I will use *synaptic*. Now is there any problem here ? |
| 14:04.48 | abrotman | for the love of god .. don't use dselect |
| 14:04.58 | abrotman | and he suggested aptitude .. not dselect |
| 14:05.15 | bokey | s/dselect/aptitude sorry. =( |
| 14:05.35 | abrotman | bokey: okay .. so why doesn't it work ? |
| 14:07.08 | bokey | abrotman# he told me that the name is kernel-image-2.6.8 which according to my apt-get install kernel-2.6.8 retuns with "not found". so now he suggested to use aptitude. Now I said, i prefer synaptic, he goes *I* must obey his order! geez |
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| 14:07.20 | abrotman | it won't be found .. which cpu do you have ? |
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| 14:07.35 | bokey | i386 |
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| 14:08.03 | abrotman | WHICH cpu |
| 14:08.04 | iturk | hi there i would like to give permissions to user to a folder and all its content inclunding subdirectories !! which options should i give to chmod ?? |
| 14:08.15 | abrotman | didn't ask for your architecture |
| 14:08.23 | bokey | abrotman# and I asked him for his /etc/apt/sources.list to which he said "what has that got to do with *this* situation?" ... ??? |
| 14:08.24 | abrotman | iturk: man chmod |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | bokey: it doesn't have anything to do with it .. |
| 14:08.43 | abrotman | bokey: now .. what cpu do you have? |
| 14:08.57 | bokey | abrotman# intel p4 |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | thank you |
| 14:09.10 | abrotman | install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:09.11 | bokey | abrotman# well apt needs sources.list doesn't it ? |
| 14:09.24 | iturk | abrotman: i cannot find such an option in man of chmod what should i do ?? |
| 14:09.34 | bokey | abrotman# i already installed it. using synaptic. and yes that's the package name. |
| 14:09.39 | abrotman | iturk: read it again |
| 14:09.46 | abrotman | bokey: then you have it intsalled .. what's the problem ? |
| 14:10.08 | iturk | abrotman: can you be more practicle and read it yourself and then tell me the answer ?? |
| 14:10.18 | bokey | abrotman# no problem, I don't like random people calling me n00b, especially when they give n00b advice themselve |
| 14:10.22 | abrotman | not a chance .. i don't have to read it to know the answer |
| 14:10.32 | abrotman | bokey: okay .. so is it installed or not? |
| 14:10.39 | iturk | abrotman: so tell me |
| 14:10.44 | bokey | abrotman# it's all good thanks. =) |
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| 14:11.10 | abrotman | bokey: thank tralala for trying :) |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | iturk: man chmod |
| 14:11.46 | iturk | abrotman: i have read it again its not there |
| 14:11.56 | iturk | abrotman: forget it |
| 14:12.19 | tralala | iturk, it seems that your version of chmod cannot do it then |
| 14:12.33 | bokey | abrotman# yeah I really thanked him for everything word that he typed. but why call a person n00b out of no where ? really I appreciated his help before he called me *n00b*. I am not a n00b. |
| 14:13.25 | abrotman | iturk: did you find it ? |
| 14:13.29 | abrotman | bokey: okay .. fine |
| 14:13.41 | abrotman | bokey: are you familiar with debian .. or other linux versions? |
| 14:13.46 | iturk | i really should switch to ubuntu they are really practicle persons |
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| 14:14.10 | tralala | iturk, I agree |
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| 14:14.33 | bokey | abrotman# I use Deb's son Ubuntu for a while now. |
| 14:14.53 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 14:14.53 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 14:15.02 | abrotman | iturk: noone is stopping you |
| 14:15.17 | zmotok | hello everyone, anybody here using the debian ffmpeg package? |
| 14:16.04 | Fox | iturk: are you saying you're not abble to search for 'recursive' in a man page ? if it's the case you really should switch to ubuntu |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | iturk: there are like .. five options to chmod .. it's a pretty short man page .. |
| 14:16.44 | bokey | iturk# what's your problem ? maybe I can help ? |
| 14:16.59 | abrotman | bokey: he can't read |
| 14:17.07 | abrotman | or isn't willing |
| 14:17.19 | tralala | this is a pretty common problem |
| 14:17.20 | iturk | its solved the -R its the answer |
| 14:17.34 | Fox | or needs to learn english first to look for the right thing at the right place |
| 14:17.35 | vin` | very practicle |
| 14:17.52 | iturk | and i didnt know what does it means recursive |
| 14:17.54 | bokey | iturk# that seems recursive lookup, what are you trying to do ? |
| 14:17.56 | iturk | thats why |
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| 14:19.57 | tralala | iturk, there's debian-es if your english is not good enough |
| 14:20.14 | iturk | <tralala> |
| 14:20.21 | iturk | its ok i need to practise |
| 14:20.24 | tralala | or debian-br perhaps |
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| 14:21.15 | tralala | iturk, you have opted for a really strange way of practicing |
| 14:21.24 | Slart | Hello, is cp the best way to copy data between 2 local ext3-drives. I want to keep all rights, permissions etc etc |
| 14:21.36 | Fox | Slart: cp -a |
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| 14:21.47 | iturk | tralala: its a practicle one |
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| 14:21.52 | Slart | Fox, thanks |
| 14:22.14 | tralala | iturk, um, okay |
| 14:22.47 | iturk | tralala: better than read books |
| 14:23.00 | tralala | or manuals |
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| 14:27.49 | kristalino | hi. I have bought a pdf, unfortunatly it's unprintable. How can i change it to printable ? |
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| 14:28.37 | FlorianM | Hello, can anybody help me with diskless clients? |
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| 14:29.00 | Ronin | kristalino: why is it unprintable? what happens when you try? |
| 14:29.03 | CyHawk | hi! i've googled for a while now, but can't find out what to do with apache2-ssl-certificate missing in apache2.2-common |
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| 14:29.22 | kristalino | Ronin, it's just "not possible" |
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| 14:29.32 | Ronin | kristalino: why? |
| 14:29.33 | CyHawk | i'm quite new to apache installation and i'm just trying to follow a tutorial... |
| 14:29.35 | tralala | FlorianM, aptitude install lessdisks |
| 14:29.39 | Slart | isn't that a flag in the pdf? some security setting? |
| 14:30.04 | CyHawk | kristalino: you could try with different pdf viewers |
| 14:30.16 | kristalino | because the line "print" is grey |
| 14:30.23 | Ronin | Slart: i think it is |
| 14:30.43 | FlorianM | Hi tralala, booting the diskless machine via PXE is booting fine. But there is a following problem. I have to setup individual /ETC and so on for every thin client |
| 14:30.47 | Slart | check the security settings.. it's in some meny or other... it should say what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do |
| 14:30.57 | Slart | meny->menu |
| 14:31.34 | Ronin | odd a purchased pdf file though blocks you from printing |
| 14:31.41 | FlorianM | Where is the best place, to define automatically symlinks after booting the kernel before the init scripts begin to start? |
| 14:31.41 | tralala | FlorianM, if you install lessdisks it will do the complete setup of the diskless clients for you in a very convinient manner. |
| 14:32.00 | FlorianM | Ok thanks, I'll try it |
| 14:32.08 | nvz | what about converting the pdf to postscript |
| 14:32.25 | Slart | Ronin, perhaps you have to pay more to be able to print it.. seems like a nice business idea to me =) |
| 14:32.25 | tralala | FlorianM, it will save you plenty of configuration and support time |
| 14:32.30 | Bhavesh | what about making sure the printer is installed correctly? try a test print |
| 14:33.02 | vin` | whaat about catting the pdf to the printer |
| 14:33.11 | vin` | ? |
| 14:33.19 | Ronin | heh adobe says to contact the author of the pdfs if your restricted from doing x things |
| 14:33.41 | nvz | not all printers understand pdf |
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| 14:34.01 | tralala | nvz, you mean that some do? |
| 14:34.08 | CyHawk | Ronin: some pdf viewers obey the permission settings (like the official adobe one), but some don't have this feature implemented (like some open source viewers) |
| 14:34.18 | Slart | yes.. the new shiny ones understnad pdf. I think =) |
| 14:34.37 | nvz | tralala: I'm sure there are some, but I am just saying that its not likely catting it to the printer will work |
| 14:34.59 | Slart | if it's protected, it's probably encrypted too.. |
| 14:35.15 | nvz | this is true, though I'd try pdf2ps |
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| 14:35.23 | Slart | yes.. cant hurt |
| 14:35.24 | tralala | nvz, I got what you're saying but I was surprised that there are printers that can actually speak pdf |
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| 14:35.44 | Fox | some do, really, just cat the file and it prints :) |
| 14:36.02 | tralala | sounds nice |
| 14:36.10 | CyHawk | any pointers for apache2.2 on debian? the apache2-ssl-certificate script is missing from it |
| 14:36.28 | tralala | CyHawk, on which debian? |
| 14:36.35 | CyHawk | sarge i think |
| 14:36.49 | cydork | CyHawk: sarge and apache 2.2?? |
| 14:36.59 | ukasz | do you know any software for checking bad sectors on disks under linux ? |
| 14:37.09 | CyHawk | "Debian 1:3.3.6-10" |
| 14:37.21 | CyHawk | sorry, i'm not very well versed in debian versions :) |
| 14:37.24 | Slart | this printer speaks pdf, or so it says... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/18972-236251-236268-15077-f51-2512208.html |
| 14:37.52 | tralala | okay, I got it :) |
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| 14:38.10 | tralala | ukasz, badblocks |
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| 14:39.52 | mikmu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.56 | mikmu | It's a debian sarge install under Xen. Don't know what I could have done to make this happen |
| 14:40.02 | CyHawk | i think i'm facing this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg07911.html |
| 14:40.06 | ukasz | tralala: thx |
| 14:40.14 | Slart | mikmu, no books leaning on the ctrl-key? |
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| 14:40.47 | mikmu | not that I can see, but that wouldnt affect both remote ssh and local console, right? |
| 14:40.48 | diilbertAtWork | Anyone know anything about the arkollon installer? I am just curious if there is anything out there, since I can't find a website |
| 14:41.09 | Slart | mikmu.. no.. it wouldn't... I'm out of ideas then =) |
| 14:41.37 | nvz | diilbertAtWork: and what is the arkollon installer? |
| 14:41.57 | mikmu | I'll try rebooting the dom0 machine |
| 14:42.03 | CyHawk | mikmu: does this only affect the shell, or other applications too? |
| 14:43.03 | mikmu | I have no X installed on this machine, so everything is shell |
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| 14:44.51 | mikmu | f in dom0 works fine, just not in this domU |
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| 14:45.48 | diilbertAtWork | nvz: It is an gui installation package... I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it.. It is the package that installs klamav |
| 14:46.57 | nvz | diilbertAtWork: that would be clamav and we have many programs that can install that apt, dselect, aptitude, synaptic..etc |
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| 14:47.21 | E-bola | How can you monitor disk load under debian?= |
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| 14:47.54 | mikmu | hmmm, f works on the login, just not after logging in |
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| 14:48.48 | bb7 | hi, i have a softraid question |
| 14:49.16 | bb7 | md0 = normal raid disk, md1 = swap |
| 14:49.42 | bb7 | md1 doenst start on reboot, md0 is ok, where do i have to look first? |
| 14:50.22 | bb7 | after reboot i can add partitions to md1 without any problem |
| 14:50.25 | bb7 | mdadm /dev/md0 add /dev/hde1 |
| 14:51.20 | kristalino | "<Slart> if it's protected, it's probably encrypted too.." <-- no i bought it so it's not encrypted, it's just unprintable pdf |
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| 14:52.35 | mikmu | nice, I have capital F, just not lowercase f |
| 14:52.47 | blondie | bb7: probably need to edit the mdadm config file |
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| 14:53.48 | Slart | kristalino, are you sure? I dont mean encrypted so you cant see it.. I mean enrypted so you cant change the settings by just opening the file in notepad... last time I checked you had to encrypt the pdf in order to be able to set things like "user is allowed to print" or "user is allowed to copy text" |
| 14:54.13 | Slart | kristalino, what software are you using to read the pdf? |
| 14:54.23 | kristalino | i found the solution |
| 14:54.30 | kristalino | lp powah ;) |
| 14:54.44 | bb7 | content of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 14:54.56 | bb7 | is only: DEVICE partitions |
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| 14:55.56 | abrotman | E-bola: you can't really .. iostat will give measurements |
| 14:56.38 | jelly | !compiz |
| 14:56.38 | dpkg | [compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. |
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| 14:57.17 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 14:58.07 | kanaldrache | Any idea which package generates /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? It seems it doesn't belong to a package and there seems no {post,pre}inst scripts to create it?! |
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| 14:58.28 | cyzie | !compiz |
| 14:58.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. |
| 14:58.39 | cyzie | wooot! |
| 14:58.51 | bb7 | ok found a solution, i can generate mdadm.conf with mdadm --detail --scan |
| 14:59.14 | cyzie | anyone has running compiz ? |
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| 15:00.01 | lunitik | I'm trying to get the 'radeon' driver working... followed the guidelines at dri.freedesktop.org wrt ATI cards... however I'm still getting direct rendering: No |
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| 15:00.36 | lunitik | Anyone know what might be the issue... the card is a Radeon Xpress 200 ... and apparently does indeed support 3D things |
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| 15:00.59 | jelly | cyzie: tried it. It sucks. |
| 15:01.14 | cyzie | jelly, apt getting now |
| 15:01.26 | lunitik | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] <-- What lspci has to say on the matter |
| 15:01.26 | Fox | jelly: would say "it's fun but cpu consuming" :) |
| 15:01.29 | cyzie | hwo do i actually "use" the fancy window thingy? |
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| 15:02.04 | lunitik | (I took out the X550 card for those that were around earlier...) |
| 15:02.10 | jelly | cyzie: that is, eyecandy works, but its window managing features are not much. |
| 15:02.34 | cyzie | jelly, okay |
| 15:02.43 | cyzie | will restart gdm after it is finish installing |
| 15:02.43 | lunitik | xingu: you around? |
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| 15:03.34 | jelly | cyzie: /usr/share/doc/compiz-core/README.Debian has some tips for configuring X |
| 15:03.45 | cyzie | jelly, thanks |
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| 15:04.37 | mikmu | fun, must be some sort of bash issue. changing my shell to csh lets me type f fine |
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| 15:08.21 | Slart | anyone know if there is a "magic" limit when it comes to hard drives (SATA) somewhere in the 150GB - 200GB area? |
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| 15:09.10 | mikmu | doh, /etc/inputrc typo causing the f issue |
| 15:10.42 | lunitik | No body knows about configuring DRI? I really don't want to use fglrx :( |
| 15:11.19 | nvz | dont buy an ATI then? |
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| 15:12.04 | nvz | nVidia always done fine for me.. this old Riva TNT2 does fine for my needs, plays bzflag perfectly |
| 15:12.33 | Slart | bzflag... everything you'll ever need =) |
| 15:12.39 | nvz | though I got to use ancient drivers for it because its apperently not supported by newer ones |
| 15:12.41 | lunitik | nvz: thats not a useful reply to my question.... however if you'd like to buy me an nvidia based computer... I'd take it |
| 15:13.07 | nvz | lunitik: yeah well trying to get direct rendering without supporting drivers isnt useful either |
| 15:13.16 | lunitik | (everything on this box is ATI... chipset and all) |
| 15:13.22 | nvz | point is you got an ATI you gotta use the software that supports it |
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| 15:13.43 | nvz | in the future think before you acquire technology |
| 15:14.27 | Ronin | nvz: think? whats that? |
| 15:14.31 | lunitik | nvz: meh... nvidia likely isn't any better... I could use the proprietary stuff, but I'd rather not :/ |
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| 15:14.46 | amit | does anybody remember how do I fetch keys? |
| 15:15.00 | lunitik | nvz: you using nvidia's drivers is just as bad as me using fglrx :/ |
| 15:15.06 | Alakazamz0r | can i get a what what?! |
| 15:15.08 | amit | keys for verifying signatures ..eh |
| 15:15.12 | amit | :P |
| 15:15.14 | nvz | Ronin: its that strange tingling feeling in your head when you use it for something other than a hatrack |
| 15:15.25 | Ronin | ahh so thats what that is |
| 15:15.34 | nvz | lunitik: I dont see anything bad about it, it works |
| 15:15.45 | lunitik | nvz: fwiw, dri.fd.o says its supported... I just wanted help getting it working :/ |
| 15:16.03 | lunitik | nvz: the means you took to get it broke the law? |
| 15:16.24 | nvz | how did I break the law? |
| 15:16.36 | lunitik | You didn't afaik, Nvidia/Debian did |
| 15:16.47 | nvz | I bought a card from nvidia, I used the driver they supplied |
| 15:17.05 | nvz | same way i've worked with hardware/software for the past 15 years |
| 15:17.33 | nvz | and I never let laws get in the way of doing what I need to do |
| 15:18.20 | nvz | thats for politicians and lawyers to worry about.. I am just a techie |
| 15:18.54 | nvz | befriend politicians, marry a lawyer, move on :P |
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| 15:20.00 | amit | lunitik: you said you use debian-multimedia.org in your sources file, right? i did apt-get update and it says that the signatures can't be verified. |
| 15:20.27 | amit | lunitik: rather, public key is not available something |
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| 15:21.08 | nvz | personally I am a part-time politicker and a jail-house lawyer.. that is I only bother with politics when there is something in it for me, and I only concern myself with law when I am being charged |
| 15:21.11 | lunitik | amit: dude, the site says how to get the key's :/ |
| 15:21.19 | lunitik | !marillat |
| 15:21.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 15:21.26 | lunitik | !d-i |
| 15:21.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 15:21.41 | lunitik | Neither of those do apparently... bah... go to the site.... |
| 15:21.52 | burd | has anyone ever gotten the vmail.cgi for asterisk working in sarge? |
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| 15:22.43 | amit | lunitik: hehe..okay |
| 15:23.25 | amit | lunitik: is dpkg a bot..lol |
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| 15:23.58 | abrotman | lol .. he is .. lol .. lol .. LOLOLOL |
| 15:24.00 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:24.13 | Alakazamz0r | do you love it? |
| 15:24.16 | Alakazamz0r | is it hot? |
| 15:24.32 | amit | abrotman: whats wrong man..lol is just the usual chat lingo - Laughing out Loud |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | !lol |
| 15:24.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 15:24.59 | uwe | ROFL |
| 15:25.00 | amit | dpkg: not a bot then ;-) |
| 15:25.15 | dendrite | <snicker> |
| 15:25.17 | Alakazamz0r | yeah he is |
| 15:25.33 | amit | :D |
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| 15:25.57 | amit | !marillat |
| 15:25.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 15:26.15 | amit | !d-i |
| 15:26.15 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 15:26.21 | abrotman | msg the damn bot |
| 15:26.28 | dendrite | amit: send the bot private messages, don't spam the channel. |
| 15:26.31 | burd | hmm it must have been on the floor then all of a sudden it falls thru.. interesting |
| 15:26.44 | amit | dendrite: yeah man..i was just testing :) |
| 15:27.11 | abrotman | our patience? |
| 15:27.32 | amit | abrotman: kinda :D |
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| 15:31.44 | Alakazamz0r | i hate cats. |
| 15:31.51 | Alakazamz0r | it ate my handsfree headset |
| 15:32.05 | dendrite | o_O |
| 15:32.16 | dendrite | Probably smelled like a rat. |
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| 15:34.25 | fireba11 | lol |
| 15:34.36 | Hoxzer | :D I wonder what gmail guys would think if they knew that I upload like 500MB's of backups to my mail account |
| 15:35.33 | cydork | Hoxzer: gmailfs! i take backups there :P |
| 15:35.46 | Hoxzer | Gmailfs does it work nwodays :O |
| 15:35.57 | Hoxzer | I thought it broke |
| 15:36.15 | cydork | Hoxzer: nope it works.. |
| 15:36.25 | amit | !multimedia |
| 15:36.35 | Hoxzer | geez, need to test it :D |
| 15:36.57 | amit | hey guys..isn't there anything win32-codecs in debian? |
| 15:36.59 | burd | I'm trying to get the debian sarge vmail.cgi package working.. I made sure I had perl-suid installed and everything, i can run the script from the terminal but apache errors out with premature end of headers error.. any ideas or hints maybe? |
| 15:37.27 | cydork | amit: in debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:37.48 | uwe | burd, im not sure what you have, but which user is running apache ? |
| 15:37.49 | dendrite | burd: Is the very first thing the script emits "Content-Type: text/html\n\n" ? |
| 15:37.53 | uwe | www-data ? |
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| 15:38.13 | amit | cydork: yeah..i did apt-get update but there's nothing like that |
| 15:38.21 | amit | cydork: i searched..i mean |
| 15:38.37 | burd | dendrite: yes |
| 15:38.49 | burd | www-data runs apache |
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| 15:38.56 | cydork | amit: it's w32codecs |
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| 15:39.19 | amit | cydork: ok..i will check it out |
| 15:39.21 | uwe | burd, well, i changed mine to be run by asterisk, and many permission problems disappeared |
| 15:39.41 | burd | uwe: you changed apache to be run by asterisk? |
| 15:39.54 | amit | cydork: thanks :) |
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| 15:40.08 | uwe | burd, yes, i did that |
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| 15:40.18 | uwe | security issues ? |
| 15:40.55 | burd | uwe, I dunno about that but vmail.cgi is not the only thing I run on this server so I don't want to mess with that |
| 15:41.15 | uwe | oh, in that case, yes, dont |
| 15:41.44 | burd | gotta be soemthing simple about this that I am missing but the logs aren't shoring me anything |
| 15:41.48 | uwe | if you run stuff unrelated to asterisk on the web, its not a good idea |
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| 15:42.28 | uwe | well, try in #asterisk if this is asterisk related burd |
| 15:42.51 | burd | uwe: sitting in there as well.. people are talking but nobody answers my question |
| 15:43.14 | uwe | oh well , in that case ... you might try praying :) |
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| 15:43.33 | burd | hehe |
| 15:44.05 | cusco | dudes... gnome users... you know that option "sessions" or gnome-session-properties |
| 15:44.21 | mETz | moin |
| 15:44.23 | cusco | the startup programs, where does it save those? under what file? |
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| 15:44.42 | dendrite | burd: I'm finding useful stuff with a goodle query of "vmail.cgi headers error" |
| 15:45.13 | burd | ty |
| 15:45.20 | burd | i been googling for hours now |
| 15:45.29 | burd | all kinds of debian security warnings with the script tho hehe |
| 15:45.42 | mETz | cusco: http://www.taupro.com/wiki/ChemBook/XDisplayManager |
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| 15:45.57 | mETz | google does work (sometimes) ;) |
| 15:46.42 | mETz | any idea why keyboard leds stopped working in xorg on unstable? |
| 15:47.19 | mETz | upgraded packages recently and now they're always-off, xkbvleds shows proper status |
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| 15:47.46 | uwe | burd, well, did you try the hint in the first hit by google posted by Anonymous on Tuesday 21 of December, 2004 [18:10:39]? |
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| 15:48.42 | uwe | just making sure ... |
| 15:48.46 | burd | uwe: first hit by google? |
| 15:48.50 | amit | hey guys..anybody knows of a good Hub server software on Linux? |
| 15:49.04 | amit | Similar to OpenDCHub..but a bit more powerful |
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| 15:49.33 | hq4ever | Hi, I'd like to practice on writing Makefile, could someone please recommend a small C based project for me to play with ? |
| 15:49.36 | uwe | http://voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+gui+vmail.cgi |
| 15:50.00 | uwe | yes burd , by the string suggested ny dendrite |
| 15:50.06 | uwe | by* |
| 15:50.36 | dendrite | hq4ever: hello is a C based package, I believe. :-) |
| 15:50.56 | burd | uwe: yes I mesed with all of that, it doesnt really apply because firstly they are installing from source make install make webvmail |
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| 15:51.17 | uwe | i see |
| 15:51.23 | hq4ever | Yes, but it's 1 file (is it not?), I'm looking for somwthing that would have several files. I tried nano but it's 1.2mb gz... |
| 15:51.36 | burd | the vmail.cgi from the debian package doesn't even put vmail.cgi in the www/cgi-bin it goes into the /usr/lib/cgi-bin/asterisk/ directory |
| 15:51.48 | burd | which should be fine |
| 15:51.58 | Zweideutig | I am trying to run a simple program that I compiled from the the Debian install CD, but when I run it the program outputs nothing. |
| 15:52.13 | uwe | burd, are you using the sarge asterisk packs? |
| 15:52.23 | burd | uwe, yes |
| 15:52.25 | uwe | those are a little too old |
| 15:52.47 | uwe | its 1.0.x as far as i remember |
| 15:52.50 | burd | uwe, everything works fine on thes erver it's just this stupid script |
| 15:53.01 | uwe | well ... |
| 15:53.06 | uwe | ok ... |
| 15:53.41 | burd | I mean i can live without it and etch will be out by feb or march (:P) so i can wait for updated packages too |
| 15:54.33 | burd | but it just bugs the hell out of me that this is supposed ot be "stable" and the package doesn't work.. why is it in there lol |
| 15:54.39 | Hoxzer | cydork: :P seems like gmailfs really does work |
| 15:54.45 | uwe | is anyone having trouble installing libqt4-dev , im running sid, and its requiring dependencies such as libglu1-xorg-dev! any ideas? |
| 15:54.57 | pickcoder | anyone used the Debian distro @ dediboxinternational |
| 15:55.00 | Hoxzer | cydork: anyways do you think it is possible to edit the gmailfs mount poitn via ssh somehow? |
| 15:55.07 | pickcoder | I'm hunting for a dedicated box |
| 15:55.27 | uwe | you are right burd |
| 15:55.58 | Hoxzer | cydork: nwm |
| 15:55.59 | cydork | Hoxzer: why not? |
| 15:56.54 | burd | I should have known better though cause |
| 15:56.54 | burd | asterisk-web-vmail - web based (GCI) voice mail interface for asterisk |
| 15:56.58 | uwe | but maybe you can increase verbosity of asterisk, im not sure it logs such stuff, but try |
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| 15:57.05 | burd | they even have CGI mispelled in the package info |
| 15:57.16 | uwe | hehee... |
| 15:57.26 | Hoxzer | cydork: I have :) |
| 15:57.43 | Hoxzer | cydork: I have sftp share mounted and I dont see the direcotry :( |
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| 15:58.32 | uwe | burd, /etc/asterisk/logger.conf |
| 15:59.21 | burd | i have asterisk logging prety verbosely, that script doesnt log though, the only logs you get are from apache because firstly the script isn't tossing errors only apache is |
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| 16:02.18 | cydork | Hoxzer: huh? i dont see any reasone for that. it uses fuse so it should be visible by the kernel. |
| 16:04.25 | pickcoder | burd: what's the error? |
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| 16:04.42 | earthian | hey |
| 16:04.43 | burd | I am just getting premature end of header errors when i browse to the file |
| 16:04.54 | earthian | why the latest wine is depended on libc6 version >= 2.4 while debian sid has 2.3 |
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| 16:05.14 | pickcoder | burd: can you set the URL parameteres via "export" and then run it in the command line? |
| 16:05.25 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.25 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.43 | earthian | isnt SID supposed to be newest etc ? |
| 16:05.46 | sussudio | ... |
| 16:05.46 | cydork | earthian: it's sid :) |
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| 16:06.23 | RvGaTe | i had my first car "accident" yesterday !!! :D:D:D oops... :(:(:( |
| 16:06.31 | earthian | cydork, what do you mean? |
| 16:06.46 | tvn | anyone try to build gaim2-beta* from source ? I get a "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required" but not sure what to apt-get |
| 16:06.54 | earthian | libc 2.3.6 cant be Still In Development while 2.4-1 is already soemwhere ready |
| 16:06.55 | earthian | ? |
| 16:06.58 | cydork | RvGaTe: killed anyone? :P |
| 16:07.00 | burd | pickcoder, the script runs fine in the command line |
| 16:07.10 | abrotman | tvn: ask #gaim .. probably need something from cpan |
| 16:07.25 | abrotman | tvn: but gaim2 is in etch/sid |
| 16:07.32 | RvGaTe | cydork, tried to aim... but its hard to stear with a flat tire :P |
| 16:07.42 | earthian | tvn, apt-cache search xml parser perl |
| 16:07.48 | tvn | abrotman: #gaim people refer me here :) I am running sarge |
| 16:08.02 | abrotman | checked backports.org ? |
| 16:08.05 | cydork | tvn: what about backports? |
| 16:08.19 | pickcoder | burd: something has to be different like a parameter being sent |
| 16:08.33 | earthian | hm |
| 16:08.34 | abrotman | tvn: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:09.05 | dendrite | burd: Can you drop a sniffer on the wire, and see what the script is actually sending? |
| 16:09.23 | burd | sniffer? |
| 16:09.24 | tvn | earthian: cool, I think I found it ... haven't touched Debian for so long so not sure what to search for |
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| 16:09.45 | earthian | nice |
| 16:09.46 | earthian | :0 |
| 16:09.51 | burd | you mean run like tcpdump and watch when I refreh the page? |
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| 16:10.25 | dendrite | burd: Yup. |
| 16:10.34 | burd | sure 1 sec |
| 16:10.38 | pickcoder | burd: did you set the parameters via export? or did you just launch the script? |
| 16:10.41 | kingsley | What's a good tool for stepping through animated gifs? |
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| 16:11.18 | burd | pickcoder, I just launched the script I'm not sure how to set the params via export.. |
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| 16:11.28 | pickcoder | bindly running a CGI script is like diagnosing an engine noise with it off |
| 16:11.42 | pickcoder | burd: export parameter=value |
| 16:11.54 | pickcoder | I.E. "export action=save" |
| 16:12.13 | burd | pickcoder I fail to understand what that is going to do.. |
| 16:12.17 | pickcoder | then do an "env" |
| 16:12.30 | pickcoder | to make sure your CGI environment variables are set |
| 16:12.52 | pickcoder | burd, if it executes properly in a shell with no paramters, then one of the parameters is breaking the script |
| 16:13.41 | pickcoder | add one parameter at a time and see if it returns proper HTML |
| 16:14.05 | burd | pickcoder, you mean the stuff from here like this? use Carp::Heavy |
| 16:14.27 | pickcoder | burd: no.. http://myhost.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi?action=save&myvar2=test |
| 16:14.35 | pickcoder | export myvar2=test |
| 16:14.37 | diilbertAtWork | I am trying to get SSL working with apache w/o success. But since the conf layout on the system is different then on gentoo, I am having a problem getting it to work.. Any pointers to Debian specific docs |
| 16:14.45 | pickcoder | CGI reads variables from the environment |
| 16:15.01 | pickcoder | which you have to fake using "export" to the local shell environment |
| 16:15.02 | burd | so actually use myvar2-test? |
| 16:15.09 | burd | oops |
| 16:15.13 | burd | so actually use myvar2 = test? |
| 16:15.19 | pickcoder | burd: yes |
| 16:15.25 | burd | k |
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| 16:16.03 | burd | okay it shows up in env |
| 16:16.10 | pickcoder | try running the script |
| 16:16.23 | pickcoder | you should see execution errors if apache says "premature EOS" |
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| 16:16.32 | pickcoder | or it should not return a page at all |
| 16:16.41 | pickcoder | which is _bad_ for a CGI script |
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| 16:16.58 | burd | it returns the page |
| 16:17.22 | Zweideutig | Why can't I run my program from the Debian install CD? I get a Floating point exception. |
| 16:17.32 | pickcoder | are all of the parameters, from the live link, in your env? |
| 16:17.43 | pickcoder | if not, add them one at a time and run the script |
| 16:17.57 | burd | how do i see the live link parameters? |
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| 16:18.07 | pickcoder | burd: you clicked a link to pull the page up, right? |
| 16:18.11 | burd | yes |
| 16:18.41 | pickcoder | burd: then it should be on the URL as I exampled earlier |
| 16:18.41 | pumpkin0 | Zweideutig: which program on which arch and which CPU ? |
| 16:18.54 | burd | >> /cgi-bin/vmail.cgi |
| 16:19.03 | pickcoder | hm |
| 16:19.06 | burd | there is nothing there |
| 16:19.10 | pickcoder | it returned a page correctly? |
| 16:19.13 | burd | nope |
| 16:19.24 | pickcoder | command line |
| 16:19.32 | burd | comamnd ine works fine |
| 16:19.40 | Zweideutig | pumpkin0: i386 architecture (686). I compiled on my Intel Core Duo laptop and tried to run it from the Debian install CD in vmware on a Pentium M laptop. |
| 16:19.42 | burd | returns a page etc |
| 16:19.53 | burd | well the html for the page although |
| 16:20.00 | burd | there is no <head> tag |
| 16:20.05 | pickcoder | burd: it's a programming error |
| 16:20.15 | burd | uugh |
| 16:20.41 | pickcoder | I don't have time to debug it today |
| 16:20.45 | Zweideutig | This is a simple hello world program. I compiled with gcc -o helloworld helloworld.c. |
| 16:20.47 | burd | that makes two of us |
| 16:20.53 | pickcoder | is it Perl? |
| 16:20.59 | burd | still burns me up this is in debian stable.. |
| 16:21.04 | burd | yah cgi |
| 16:21.10 | Zweideutig | Is there something special I have to do to get my program to run from within Debian Sarge netinstall CD? |
| 16:21.13 | pickcoder | CGI is an interface, not a script language |
| 16:21.21 | pumpkin0 | Zweideutig: i blame VMware ... helloworld does not have to have any float-stuff. |
| 16:21.23 | pickcoder | it can be PHP-CGI |
| 16:21.29 | burd | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 16:21.34 | pickcoder | ok |
| 16:21.34 | Zweideutig | pumpkin0: Well, this is very strange. |
| 16:21.54 | pickcoder | if I can get my hands on the script I'll look at it |
| 16:21.58 | pickcoder | how big is the file? |
| 16:22.09 | Zweideutig | pumpkin0: Could it really be something else causing this? |
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| 16:22.55 | pumpkin0 | Zweideutig: yes, if a integer-only prog freaks out with a float-error ... that is strange. I donīt see how anything on the install-CD could possibly cause that. |
| 16:23.06 | burd | pickcoder, it's small |
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| 16:23.11 | pickcoder | 2K? |
| 16:23.16 | Zweideutig | *sighs* :\ |
| 16:23.23 | burd | 30k |
| 16:23.46 | Zweideutig | I am compiling from a Fedora Core 6 machine. |
| 16:23.48 | outlaw84 | Is there some place that you can get the previus version of a package in unstable? |
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| 16:23.54 | Zweideutig | With just gcc -o program program.c |
| 16:24.20 | pumpkin0 | Zweideutig: gcc 3, 4,... or 2.95 ... ? |
| 16:24.26 | pickcoder | burd: can you zip it and post it somewhere? |
| 16:24.40 | Zweideutig | gcc version 4.1.1 |
| 16:24.40 | burd | pickcoder, yup 1 sec |
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| 16:25.02 | pumpkin0 | Zweideutig: on the stable-install CD ? Try the 3.X series. |
| 16:25.25 | pickcoder | the rs232 bridges are here.. time to make the d0nut5 |
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| 16:25.43 | cydork | outlaw84: try snapshot.debian.net, but why do you want that? |
| 16:25.51 | row | http://tinyurl.com/yg427z <-- thats out of date php 5.2.0-2 is in unstable. |
| 16:25.54 | Zweideutig | Well, I am compiling from the Fedora Core machine. It came with this version. Maybe I can downgrade it. |
| 16:26.09 | row | packages.debian.org not get updated nightly or whatever? |
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| 16:26.27 | Follia | Hello |
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| 16:27.02 | outlaw84 | cydork: I want the prevois version of nvidia-glx because the newest one is broken |
| 16:27.25 | row | outlaw84: snapshots.debian.net |
| 16:27.41 | pumpkin0 | Zweideutig: Did you test it on a really installed, non-vmware Debian ? |
| 16:27.43 | row | http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 16:27.44 | row | sorry |
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| 16:27.47 | row | no s |
| 16:27.49 | earthian | hey |
| 16:27.52 | outlaw84 | next time I'll be more carefull before upgrading nvidia stuff :) |
| 16:27.53 | earthian | did you get this: |
| 16:27.54 | earthian | -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, just a quick note to let you know I will be doing some quick rehubbing of our European servers in a moment. It should all be quick and painfree. Please hang in there while we jump and thank you for using freenode! |
| 16:27.56 | earthian | lol |
| 16:28.03 | row | outlaw84: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 16:28.03 | earthian | yay! |
| 16:28.03 | earthian | :D |
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| 16:28.14 | row | oh dear a split |
| 16:28.18 | earthian | :D |
| 16:28.27 | pumpkin0 | earthian: yes, everyone got that. |
| 16:28.28 | diilbertAtWork | Where do I add my VirutalHost configuration to for the SSL port on Apache ? ssl.conf ? |
| 16:28.39 | earthian | ah |
| 16:28.46 | earthian | i see |
| 16:28.47 | earthian | :) |
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| 16:29.12 | atula | what is the command to find out the size of a folder? |
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| 16:29.27 | row | du -sh some/dir/ |
| 16:29.28 | atula | old freebsd server *sigh |
| 16:29.33 | row | will show you in mb |
| 16:29.35 | row | er |
| 16:29.36 | row | not mb |
| 16:29.40 | row | human readable size |
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| 16:41.02 | earthian | net-split-spam ftw! |
| 16:41.02 | earthian | : |
| 16:41.02 | earthian | :p |
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| 16:41.06 | stroke69 | Is there a logger for crontab ? is there somehwer i can turn on more debugging for cron ? |
| 16:41.07 | Zweideutig | Okay, I'm installing gcc 3.4 on the Fedora Core 6 machine. Maybe that will be able to compile binaries that will run on the Debian install CD without floating point exceptions. |
| 16:41.07 | diilbertAtWork | So what's going on ? |
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| 16:41.08 | Ronin | earthian: thats why /ignore joins parts quits is nice |
| 16:41.09 | pumpkin0 | diilbertAtWork: rebubing, should be over by now. |
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| 16:41.10 | earthian | good advice Ronin |
| 16:41.10 | earthian | :) |
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| 16:41.11 | diilbertAtWork | pumpkin0: Just wondering |
| 16:41.11 | diilbertAtWork | Where do I add my VirutalHost configuration to for the SSL port on Apache ? ssl.conf ? |
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| 16:41.12 | earthian | hm |
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| 16:41.14 | diilbertAtWork | Any idaeas ? |
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| 16:41.16 | Zweideutig | Okay, I'm installing gcc 3.4 on the Fedora Core 6 machine. Maybe that will be able to compile binaries that will run on the Debian install CD without floating point exceptions. |
| 16:41.16 | earthian | Ronin, how do you set ignores on netsplits ? |
| 16:41.16 | Ronin | earthian: /ignore joins parts quits #debian |
| 16:41.16 | Zweideutig | Okay, new Debian install CD ISO built. |
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| 16:41.17 | Ronin | i didnt see anything in that rehubbing |
| 16:41.17 | earthian | ok.. i get it we use different clients and thats the problem :/ |
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| 16:41.17 | Ronin | earthian: on xchat? |
| 16:41.18 | Zweideutig | Those of us using telnet have to manually ignore the joins and quits. ;) |
| 16:41.18 | earthian | yes, i use xchat. i do not know any better simple client for debian ... :S |
| 16:41.18 | Zweideutig | earthian: irssi is very good. |
| 16:41.18 | pumpkin0 | Ronin: "/ignore help" |
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| 16:41.18 | cydork | Zweideutig: no on uses telnet :) |
| 16:41.18 | Ronin | ya irssi earthian check it out |
| 16:41.18 | earthian | Zweideutig, but it is console based? |
| 16:41.18 | cydork | s/on/one/ |
| 16:41.19 | Ronin | earthian: it is |
| 16:41.19 | Zweideutig | earthian: Yes. |
| 16:41.19 | earthian | it is hard to switch between channels in irssi |
| 16:41.19 | earthian | i know it |
| 16:41.19 | Ronin | earthian: no its not hard to siwrch channels on irssi |
| 16:41.20 | Zweideutig | IRC is text-based, so it doesn't make it any less appealing to be console-based. |
| 16:41.20 | earthian | hard to be on multiple servers... |
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| 16:41.21 | Ronin | earthian: nope |
| 16:41.22 | Zweideutig | earthian: No it isn't. Just switch windows with Ctrl-P and Ctrl-N. |
| 16:41.22 | Ronin | earthian: im on 3 different networks right now in multiple channels |
| 16:41.22 | earthian | xchat is simplier for that. i will stay here. i am still a noob and dont have too much time to learn all these.. however i will consider this in the future :) |
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| 16:41.42 | medc | hello |
| 16:41.52 | medc | i got an issue with the X server |
| 16:41.59 | Ronin | earthian: bah, go for it, takes a bit to get used to but its hard and youll wonder why you ever used xchat |
| 16:42.03 | Zweideutig | earthian: You will always be a noob. |
| 16:42.10 | medc | libfontcache.so.0 cannot be found any help |
| 16:42.17 | pumpkin0 | medc: sarge, etch, sid ? |
| 16:42.19 | beardy | earthian: No. Alt-1 to 0 and then q to p, also alt-Left/RightArrow, just use irssi.. |
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| 16:42.27 | medc | pumpkin0, etch |
| 16:42.30 | earthian | :D |
| 16:42.57 | h3sp4wn | With regards to alt-left alt-right (has anyone the knowledge to get those working in xterm) |
| 16:42.59 | Zweideutig | baffle: Yeah, I meant Alt, not Ctrl. I haven't used irssi in about a year. |
| 16:43.19 | Zweideutig | beardy: Yeah, I meant Alt, not Ctrl. I haven't used irssi in about a year. |
| 16:43.20 | pumpkin0 | medc: which prog tries to load that lib ? |
| 16:43.28 | h3sp4wn | (fonts are clearer in xterm than rxvt or aterm) |
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| 16:43.53 | medc | when i do /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 16:44.36 | medc | in console of course |
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| 16:46.30 | roe_ | I am working on trying to get maiamailguard working on debian and they requre the PEAR modules installed, it seems that debian does things a little different and when I apt-get them they still aren't recognized, does anyone have any experience with PEAR? |
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| 16:46.41 | pumpkin0 | medc: that file does not seem to be in the offical package system... ? Are you sure about the spelling ? |
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| 16:47.17 | earthian | how do i rebuild the font cache? |
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| 16:48.32 | jhonn | hello guys |
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| 16:49.20 | medc | pumpkin0 thats the error that X server told me |
| 16:49.24 | oblio- | if aptitude went mad, and wants to remove everything, how do i fix its db? |
| 16:49.34 | pumpkin0 | medc: tried to play around with compiz ? |
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| 16:49.40 | oblio- | aptitude unmarkauto ? |
| 16:49.45 | jhonn | what command I can use to search a chaintext into a group of files or directories?? |
| 16:49.55 | Anarka | oblio- what did you do ? |
| 16:50.03 | oblio- | Anarka: upgraded :) |
| 16:50.09 | oblio- | jhonn: what is chaintext? |
| 16:50.17 | Anarka | oblio- and what does he want to remove ? |
| 16:50.19 | oblio- | jhonn: if it's regular text, grep -r |
| 16:50.27 | jhonn | oblio-: regular text |
| 16:50.29 | oblio- | Anarka: x, everything almost :) |
| 16:50.30 | pumpkin0 | jhonn: "grep -r text dir" ? |
| 16:50.37 | oblio- | Anarka: i want to fix the db |
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| 16:50.50 | oblio- | Anarka: aptitude's that is, but i can't find the option |
| 16:50.58 | jhonn | pumpkin0: but, this is recursive?? search in all directories and subdirectoies? |
| 16:51.02 | Anarka | could you paste that ? |
| 16:51.04 | Anarka | !paste |
| 16:51.04 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:51.18 | oblio- | jhonn: -r = recursive |
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| 16:51.21 | jhonn | thanks |
| 16:51.24 | pumpkin0 | jhonn: the "-r" is important. read about it on the man-page. |
| 16:51.37 | oblio- | ok, so how can one fix his own aptitude? :)) |
| 16:51.45 | jhonn | jhonn: :P |
| 16:51.55 | Anarka | oblio- paste that msg to the paste site |
| 16:51.57 | jhonn | ok |
| 16:52.06 | oblio- | Anarka: ok, you wanted it :) |
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| 16:52.14 | Anarka | ehehe |
| 16:52.17 | earthian | oblio-, apt-get --purge remove aptitude && apt-get install aptitude |
| 16:52.37 | pumpkin0 | medc: the fontcache-lib comes from libxfont1, but is not used in debian. The problem max come from compiz or something in that line. Read: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libxfont1 |
| 16:52.52 | oblio- | earthian: crazy idea, but may work :) |
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| 16:53.02 | Anarka | doubt it |
| 16:53.06 | medc | pumpkin0, how do i start compiz? |
| 16:53.10 | Anarka | but who knows :) |
| 16:53.14 | earthian | compiz is obsolete and not used anymore, the new name is beryl. would be nice to remove compiz from reps |
| 16:53.26 | pumpkin0 | medc: in etch ? You donīt. |
| 16:53.27 | oblio- | Anarka: http://pastebin.ca/245109 |
| 16:53.28 | earthian | oblio-, i am full of crazy ideas :D |
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| 16:53.49 | oblio- | Anarka: so aptitude got messed up, and i want to tell it: "think they're all hand installed" |
| 16:53.57 | oblio- | so that it leaves them alone |
| 16:54.00 | pumpkin0 | earthian: but berly is not in the offical repos and compiz works right now in sid. |
| 16:54.15 | earthian | hm |
| 16:54.22 | Anarka | oblio- aptitude unmarkauto xorg ?! why ? |
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| 16:54.43 | cydork | i thought beryl was a fork of compiz.. |
| 16:54.43 | f31n | is there some gentle, kind person in here who would could help a noob (me) with the process of installing a new netcard? |
| 16:54.46 | oblio- | Anarka didn't work anyway, but exactly for that |
| 16:54.51 | f31n | plz ^_^ |
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| 16:54.57 | oblio- | so that it would think it was manually installed |
| 16:55.00 | sputnick | hi there |
| 16:55.25 | medc | pumpkin0, i think is the libfontenc1 |
| 16:55.27 | oblio- | Anarka: i know aptitude has some classes, dependency, called by this program, etc, i want it to think everything is wanted :) |
| 16:55.40 | jelly | What would happen if I had two ext3 partitions with same uuid? |
| 16:55.55 | rgsteele_ | f31n: Have you tried doing any research? Google is a great starting point; IRC is more helpful if you can ask specific questions |
| 16:56.33 | earthian | oblio-, aptitude -V -f install |
| 16:56.39 | medc | where is save the gdm configuration??? i thnk i am going to edit it |
| 16:56.50 | earthian | that should show versions.. maybe it is trying to remove some old stuff? |
| 16:56.50 | Anarka | oblio- !? i think aptitude dindnt mess up the db... you are trying to do that |
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| 16:57.06 | Anarka | oblio- i just dont understand why |
| 16:57.18 | sputnick | I do an update && dist-upgrade, the kernel (in chroot I have a kernel panic) is downloaded but there's nothing in /usr/src oO in boot, all is ok. an idea ? |
| 16:57.24 | rgsteele_ | jelly: Um, they'd just have the same GUID? |
| 16:57.48 | oblio- | Anarka: nope, it DID mess up everything, it gave me that message on every update attempt, every install attempt, everywhere |
| 16:57.56 | pumpkin0 | medc: i donīt think so: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libfontenc1&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 16:57.57 | jelly | rgsteele_: yes. Well, what's the use of it? |
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| 16:58.07 | oblio- | Anarka: that was an attempt to help it. but the command didn't go ahead, i ctrl-c'd it |
| 16:58.28 | rgsteele_ | jelly: I'm not sure, I never really thought about GUID's in the context of partitions |
| 16:58.43 | rgsteele_ | Didn't even know partitions _had_ GUID's |
| 16:58.44 | jelly | rgsteele_: ... apart from being a way to distinguish a unique filesystem visible from multiple paths. |
| 16:58.44 | M0ffe | I seem to remember that Debian has a dummy-MTA package that contains nothing but provides an MTA to satisfy MTA dependencies - however apt-cache can't find it for me. Does it actually exist and what is it called then? |
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| 16:59.23 | Anarka | oblio- history |grep aptitude , and paste the last 20 lines or something or before it started giving errors |
| 16:59.31 | jelly | rgsteele_: I'm not sure about partitions per se, but ext2/ext3 fs on them have one. |
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| 16:59.46 | medc | pumpkin0, but the error i got is with libfontcache.so.0 |
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| 16:59.59 | rene1 | hello |
| 17:00.11 | rgsteele_ | jelly: Really? My /etc/fstab just shows stuff like: "/dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
| 17:00.19 | oblio- | Anarka: it started throwing errors on upgrade from dapper to edgy :P, but the situation is commonplace, happened to me a long time ago on debian |
| 17:00.27 | rene1 | how can i use a second IP address (eth0:1 / aliases) in debian's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:00.31 | rgsteele_ | and then it's owned by root |
| 17:00.39 | rgsteele_ | if you do an ls -alt on / |
| 17:00.39 | pumpkin0 | medc: so why do you think itīs related to libfontenc1 ? |
| 17:00.40 | oblio- | Anarka: i need recovery right now, to repair aptitudes db |
| 17:00.43 | f31n | rgsteele_ yes is did check google but i'm a bloody noob ^_^ |
| 17:00.51 | oblio- | Anarka: or there are no aptitude db management tools? |
| 17:01.09 | rgsteele_ | f31n: I'd start by turning the machine off and putting the card in ;-D |
| 17:01.12 | Anarka | oblio- yes... that's ubuntu, i alredy seen it was ubuntu but as long as it was only a aptitude problem that was ok... you should ask that question on #ubuntu |
| 17:01.17 | medc | pumpkin0, i dont said there was a relation |
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| 17:01.24 | Anarka | specially because it happened after the upograde |
| 17:01.31 | cydork | rene1: check /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/IP-Alias.gz |
| 17:01.39 | oblio- | i know, thought i'd run into a aptitude dev |
| 17:01.52 | oblio- | Anarka: that's why i came to #debian :) |
| 17:01.58 | Anarka | oblio- it happened after a upgrade ;) |
| 17:02.07 | Anarka | blame ubuntu not the good ppl of debian |
| 17:02.18 | oblio- | nope, i'm not blaming anyone :) |
| 17:02.24 | Anarka | you should :P |
| 17:02.26 | oblio- | i'm trying to get information |
| 17:02.44 | cydork | oblio-: please ask it to #ubnuntu |
| 17:02.45 | Anarka | you could try reinstalling all packages |
| 17:02.58 | jelly | rgsteele_: one can also put LABEL=foo or UUID=xxxx-xxx-xxx-xx instead of /dev/xxxx in there. It's handy in SAN environment where sdX device order can change |
| 17:03.07 | Anarka | but again... since it happened AFTER the upgrade it's probably another ubuntu mess |
| 17:03.08 | oblio- | Anarka: omg! 300 packages? nope, gonna try to repair it |
| 17:03.19 | oblio- | cydork: right now on ubuntu too |
| 17:03.24 | rgsteele_ | jelly: Really? That's cool, I never knew that |
| 17:03.46 | cydork | oblio-: good. ubuntu is OT here ! :) |
| 17:04.04 | Anarka | OT ? ;) |
| 17:04.05 | oblio- | cydork: aptitude isn't :) |
| 17:04.06 | jelly | rgsteele_: same thing for other hotpluggable devices, usb drives and such |
| 17:04.10 | rgsteele_ | jelly: Although, I've never dealt with a SAN environment |
| 17:04.10 | Ronin | Anarka: off topic |
| 17:04.12 | oblio- | the problem still stands |
| 17:04.13 | Anarka | eheh |
| 17:04.25 | oblio- | let's say i have a problem with aptitude, how can i repair the db? |
| 17:04.31 | cydork | oblio-: aptitude packaged for ubuntu is . |
| 17:04.47 | oblio- | cydork: don't get it |
| 17:04.54 | Anarka | oblio- aptitude was working, you upgraded from drake to edgy and aptitude wants to kill your system |
| 17:04.57 | Anarka | blame ubuntu |
| 17:05.02 | cydork | oblio-: debian aptitude doesn't have any problem :P |
| 17:05.10 | Anarka | aptitude is your friend... he would never try to hurt you |
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| 17:05.51 | rene1 | cydork: nice |
| 17:06.07 | oblio- | this isn't getting anywhere, i know the reason, and i know the problem, the idea is: let's say you get into deep s***, how do you get out, not who do you blame |
| 17:06.13 | oblio- | wrong point of view, imho |
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| 17:06.23 | pumpkin0 | oblio-: how should anyone here know in which way aptitude was modified by ubuntu ? It surely was but we donīt know how/why/when... ask ubuntu. |
| 17:06.31 | f31n | rgsteele_ i did do that ^_^ but the Realtek card i put in doesnt quite work |
| 17:06.34 | Anarka | oblio- you install debian and live happy |
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| 17:06.51 | oblio- | yeah right, and how's mplayer + codecs doing? :) |
| 17:07.00 | oblio- | been there, done that |
| 17:07.02 | Anarka | they are available |
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| 17:07.06 | Anarka | always have |
| 17:07.11 | tvn | oblio-: use unofficial deb package for those |
| 17:07.17 | Ronin | oblio-: they work fine, thaanks for asking |
| 17:07.22 | Anarka | yeah :P |
| 17:07.25 | oblio- | tvn: oh, unofficial... the magic word |
| 17:07.33 | Triona | oblio-: 1, back up the dpkg database files.... 2. get a list of installed packages from the contents of /usr/share/doc |
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| 17:07.36 | oblio- | anyway, let's not flame |
| 17:07.39 | Anarka | oblio- like you unofficial aptitude ? :P |
| 17:07.44 | oblio- | Triona: that's what i wanted :) |
| 17:08.00 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.06 | Triona | 3. overvrite the dpkg database files with those from a base system |
| 17:08.09 | strk | hidden symbol `__stack_chk_fail_local' in /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libssp_nonshared.a(libssp_nonshared_la-ssp-local.o) is referenced by DSO |
| 17:08.18 | pumpkin0 | cydork: yes, but w/o the interessting codecs... |
| 17:08.19 | Triona | 4. "reinstall" all the packages you listed earlier. |
| 17:08.22 | Anarka | cydork sid |
| 17:08.26 | Ronin | 5. install debian |
| 17:08.26 | strk | would ^^^^ that candidate as a bug in libssp0 debian package ? |
| 17:08.33 | strk | gcc-4.1: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libssp_nonshared.a |
| 17:08.39 | cydork | Anarka: o0 reached sid? |
| 17:08.44 | oblio- | Triona: dpkg --get-selection could do it? |
| 17:08.51 | Anarka | i dont even think it was ever on experimental |
| 17:08.55 | oblio- | Triona: the list i mean |
| 17:08.56 | Anarka | but may be wrong... |
| 17:09.00 | Triona | oblio-: I think so. |
| 17:09.09 | blondie | hello lovers |
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| 17:09.34 | Triona | basically you have to trick dpkg into "reinstalling" all the packages that are supposed to be on the system... |
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| 17:10.16 | Anarka | aptitude reinstall ~i should do it |
| 17:10.21 | tvn | that doesn't sound like the official debian way of fixing things ... |
| 17:10.29 | Triona | Anarka: not quite |
| 17:10.43 | Triona | if you are recovering from a corrupt database, you have to overwrite the database |
| 17:10.51 | derek[] | Hi |
| 17:11.02 | Triona | which leaves it in a state where it only thinks the base system is installed. |
| 17:11.23 | PumpkinPie | core 2 duos are what style socket ? |
| 17:11.28 | Anarka | dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:11.43 | blondie | are PumpkinPie and pumpkin0 related? |
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| 17:11.56 | sobersabre | hi, I got this on apt-get upgrade: |
| 17:11.58 | PumpkinPie | blondie: I never asked |
| 17:11.59 | sobersabre | supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 4.0 |
| 17:12.09 | blondie | I want pumpkin soup! |
| 17:12.24 | blondie | o.o |
| 17:12.29 | sobersabre | blondie, sweet potatoes is better. |
| 17:12.36 | blondie | I don't like them much |
| 17:13.26 | sobersabre | anyway, the warning.... what bad news can it bring ? |
| 17:13.30 | Triona | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
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| 17:13.48 | sobersabre | Triona ... thanks... moment... reading. |
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| 17:14.37 | kml | hi, any ideas what could be causing drive to be missing/fail in the raid6 whenever we remount /dev/md0 right after if completed rebuilding? |
| 17:14.47 | atula | what is the file that I need to edit on a firewall server to allow certain IP access? |
| 17:14.54 | oblio- | using aptitude's search language, what would be "all" |
| 17:15.04 | kml | the drive keep droping out of the raid and there is nothing wrong with the drive. |
| 17:15.09 | kml | any ideas? |
| 17:15.17 | Anarka | oblio- all ? |
| 17:15.23 | Anarka | all installed ? |
| 17:15.34 | Anarka | aptitude search ~i |
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| 17:15.42 | knoxy | how can I do to reconfigure my sound? with debian instalation it was ok.. but now.. the sound isn't ok (but no errors).. |
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| 17:15.52 | blondie | pumpkin0: well yes, but I don't see how you arrived at that |
| 17:16.20 | PumpkinPie | theres not room for the both of us |
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| 17:16.48 | pumpkin0 | blondie: watching the channel for a long time gives away some clues ... |
| 17:17.03 | blondie | pumpkin0: spy |
| 17:17.13 | pumpkin0 | blondie: yes ? |
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| 17:19.56 | knoxy | how can I do to reconfigure my sound? with debian instalation it was all right.. but now.. the sound isn't ok (but no errors).. |
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| 17:20.34 | pumpkin0 | knoxy: which part of the soundsystem does not work ? |
| 17:20.43 | oblio- | thanks for the ideas fellas :) |
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| 17:21.20 | knoxy | pumpkin0, the sound not say |
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| 17:21.35 | knoxy | pumpkin0, the players are ok.. not errors |
| 17:21.50 | knoxy | but the sound dont say |
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| 17:22.17 | pumpkin0 | knoxy: did you try to run amixer and turn the volume up ? (for PCM and master ?) |
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| 17:23.00 | blsecres | does debian provide support for running as an IPv6 autohost via something like rtsol? |
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| 17:24.43 | teclo | Hi, I have a problem: iconv chokes one some charachter, and I don't even know which charachter, look: iconv: illegal input sequence at position 775 |
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| 17:24.54 | jabka | how can i remove installed module from the kernel ? |
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| 17:25.30 | pumpkin0 | jabka: rmmod ? |
| 17:25.31 | blsecres | jabka: modprobe -r |
| 17:26.33 | jabka | i need to erase it |
| 17:27.03 | cydork | jabka: huh? you dont want to load it ever? /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:27.05 | jabka | remove it permently (i used so far blacklist but aint so good way) |
| 17:27.16 | Pons | today, i upgraded my debian testing and /etc/issue.net now says "Debian GNU/Linux 4.0" |
| 17:27.33 | jabka | i need to recompile a new version of it (with my addons) |
| 17:27.48 | pumpkin0 | jabka: you could remove/exchange the .ko-file from under the /lib/modules. |
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| 17:28.06 | cydork | Pons: and? |
| 17:28.10 | jeward | What's the easiest to manage and most secure MTA? |
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| 17:28.47 | blondie | jeward: I like exim. |
| 17:29.18 | blsecres | jeward: I generally use postfix |
| 17:29.29 | Ronin | easy exim, postfix secure well we know what im going to say :) |
| 17:29.30 | jeward | blondie: Advantages over say... postfix? |
| 17:29.47 | blondie | jeward: we use it at work, so I can easily get help ;) |
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| 17:32.52 | jeward | So exim is easier and postfix more secure? |
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| 17:33.47 | Ronin | jeward: not what i meant, they are both fairly easy to install, the secure one starts with a q imo but im tired of that arguement so i wont say the word heh |
| 17:33.57 | jabka | i found a way : find zd1211.ko / |grep zd then rm it |
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| 17:34.17 | jeward | Oh, we currently use qmail. Is it good? |
| 17:34.22 | cydork | bhahaha |
| 17:34.23 | shadey_ | hey guys... when i boot the netinst.iso CD, the booting process hangs at "starting system log daemon..." any ideas ? |
| 17:34.56 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:35.00 | Ronin | jeward: yes it is |
| 17:35.15 | Ronin | its certainly not the easiest to install or manage though |
| 17:35.28 | jeward | I see. |
| 17:35.39 | jeward | Yeah, the configuration we have is VERY complex. |
| 17:35.45 | eeyore- | morning |
| 17:35.47 | jeward | Only one person understands it. |
| 17:35.54 | Ronin | actually thats not quite true, the manage part is easy its the install and configure part |
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| 17:36.15 | jeward | I just need to make a smarthost. |
| 17:36.41 | Ronin | jeward: easily done regardless of the mta |
| 17:37.05 | jeward | Maybe we should stick with qmail for consistency. |
| 17:37.29 | jeward | Unless exim or postfix are easy to train people on. |
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| 17:38.07 | blondie | exim is the debian standard :D |
| 17:38.26 | jeward | Yes, I do like that aspect! |
| 17:38.38 | h3sp4wn | even sendmail is not too hard to use (as long as there is one person who understands it to write the management scripts) |
| 17:38.50 | jeward | sendmail... oh my. |
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| 17:39.06 | jeward | Last job I had a sendmail MTA. |
| 17:39.13 | blondie | "oh my"... captain kirk's last words. |
| 17:39.28 | jeward | I could not, to save my life, get it to respect changes I made to the incoming mail size. |
| 17:39.54 | jeward | I changed the .cf file, I changed the m4 file, I changed it everywhere. |
| 17:40.06 | jeward | Seemed like it was hard-coded or something! |
| 17:40.09 | jeward | :-) |
| 17:40.12 | blsecres | it was always fun editing m4 source and hoping the cf file did what you wanted |
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| 17:40.43 | jeward | Yeah, I don't want that much "adventure" in an MTA. :-) |
| 17:41.06 | Kulrak | blondie: actually, his last words were "it was fun".. and yes, I'm ashamed of myself for knowing that |
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| 17:41.18 | blondie | Kulrak: orly? |
| 17:41.21 | blondie | I don't believe you |
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| 17:41.36 | blondie | I'm sure he said "oh my" before losing consciousness |
| 17:41.43 | Kulrak | don't take my word for it.. rent 'generations' |
| 17:41.53 | blondie | effort |
| 17:41.56 | Kulrak | I just saw it a couple days ago on late night cable |
| 17:42.06 | blondie | though I have it on VHS I think |
| 17:42.10 | blondie | shame my vcr is broken |
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| 17:42.24 | blsecres | so no one here is running ipv6? |
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| 17:45.18 | solars | hi, I want to remap my esc key (to caps lock) in xmodmap but keep getting: xmodmap: /home/solars/.Xmodmap:5: bad keysym in remove modifier list 'Caps_Lock', no corresponding keycodes, does anyone know what causes this ? |
| 17:46.35 | Zeeek | I put debian on a diskless CDless laptop by installing on another PC where it was mounted as hdb. I can boot by telling it I don't that fsck cant find /dev/hdb6 but I'd like to clean that up. Is it possible? I'm trying to build the kernel but having trouble with that |
| 17:47.31 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: the hd may be called hda (and no longer hdb). That confuses some progs a bit. |
| 17:47.50 | Zeeek | Yes, I know - how can I chng this? |
| 17:47.57 | Zeeek | Will a build do it? |
| 17:48.13 | stew | Zeeek: chage /etc/fstab to make fsck happy. change /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/device.map to make your bootloader happy |
| 17:48.27 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: changing the grub-boot line and the /etc/fstab should be enough. |
| 17:48.36 | Zeeek | I did attempt to change all hdb to hda in fstab but then it created other probs |
| 17:48.49 | pumpkin0 | ZeeEyes: like ? |
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| 17:49.37 | Zeeek | Ok, forgive my ignorance obviously - but yes, I figured that out and changed the hdb, but then X complained it found no |
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| 17:49.56 | valdyn | Zeeek: X has nothing to do with that |
| 17:50.05 | Zeeek | yeah but I couldn't get in |
| 17:50.07 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: first make fsck and grub happy, then try to fix X11 later. |
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| 17:50.28 | Zeeek | yeah understood. How to stop X from taking over? |
| 17:50.32 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: ctrl-alt-F1 gives you a nice login-shell. |
| 17:50.39 | jeward | Thanks all. |
| 17:50.40 | Zeeek | I'll try it |
| 17:51.26 | Zeeek | next question - How do I build the kernel? I've done it before on FreeBSD but I'm lost here. make creates a large image and complains about the size |
| 17:51.28 | eeyore- | Zeeek: boot into runlevel 1 while you're trying to fix problems (add a single digit "1" to end of grub kernel line) |
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| 17:51.46 | valdyn | Zeeek: why would you? |
| 17:51.46 | eeyore- | Zeeek: use debian's "make-kpkg" command |
| 17:51.47 | Zeeek | eeyore ok will do |
| 17:51.51 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 17:51.52 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 17:52.02 | Zeeek | ok |
| 17:52.20 | Zeeek | you see I did a minimal install from ISO and moved the HD over to the laptop |
| 17:52.23 | gpm | hey all. i have configured exim to act like an internet site, but when i send messages to non-local domains it always times out. i'm sure the proper ports are forwarded and this has worked before so i'm pretty sure sbc/att doesn't block 25 |
| 17:52.28 | Zeeek | now I'm a little screwed up :) |
| 17:52.42 | gpm | any clues? |
| 17:52.43 | Zeeek | I'll check out the page and your suggestions, thx all |
| 17:52.54 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: if you have internet ... aptitude is your friend. |
| 17:53.10 | Zeeek | aptitude? I got no aptitude |
| 17:53.17 | rene1 | thanks for all the fish |
| 17:53.18 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: apt-get ? |
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| 17:53.30 | Zeeek | I know zilch about debian as you see |
| 17:53.30 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: or at least dpkg ? |
| 17:53.31 | valdyn | gpm: what do exim's logs say? |
| 17:53.39 | Zeeek | I'll check it all out |
| 17:54.14 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: run aptitude on console. Itīs a prog to install/remove softwarepackages from the offical repos. It has like >16000 packages to choose from. |
| 17:54.25 | gpm | same, they say it timed out... |
| 17:54.38 | Zeeek | ok. Actually I'm bootoed in X and it has a package manager |
| 17:54.42 | Zeeek | that's j |
| 17:54.47 | valdyn | gpm: who's they? mind posting the actual error? |
| 17:54.49 | Zeeek | that's how I loaded the src |
| 17:54.56 | gpm | valdyn: logs, exinext, they all say connection timed out... |
| 17:54.59 | gpm | valdyn: k, hold on |
| 17:55.09 | bokey | pumpkin0, does apt-get depend on sources.list ? |
| 17:55.14 | solars | does anyone know a tool that locks everything if I'm away (X and console) ? |
| 17:55.38 | eeyore- | Zeeek: status update. does your system boot normally now? |
| 17:55.54 | pumpkin0 | bokey: yes. And the normal install does not know about the unoffical repos until you tell them ... |
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| 17:56.04 | Tanguy | hello |
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| 17:56.42 | gpm | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4421 |
| 17:56.51 | Tanguy | do you know where linux modules for etch's netboot are stored on a debian mirror's hierarchy? |
| 17:57.26 | gpm | pretty much all the same |
| 17:57.42 | valdyn | gpm: run 'telnet gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com 25' |
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| 17:58.00 | valdyn | gpm: works fine from here, i get '220 mx.google.com ESMTP g30si2663977ugd' |
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| 17:59.08 | Zeeek | what wrote /proc/partitions ? |
| 17:59.22 | secher | Can someone remind me how to view the values of current system variables? |
| 17:59.27 | valdyn | Zeeek: the kernel writes that file just when you read it |
| 17:59.35 | valdyn | Zeeek: realtime generated |
| 17:59.38 | Zeeek | k |
| 18:00.08 | Zeeek | I edited lilo.conf and ran lilo just tosee and it complains (like the rest) that /proc/partitions don't match |
| 18:00.10 | valdyn | secher: what's a system variable? do you mean the environment variables? |
| 18:00.14 | gpm | valdyn: huh, if it times out there...what does that mean? i can ping that domain just fine. |
| 18:00.26 | valdyn | gpm: it means that port 25 is blocked |
| 18:00.30 | valdyn | gpm: by whatever |
| 18:00.32 | Zeeek | don't mactch /dev structure |
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| 18:01.40 | valdyn | gpm: you can try tcptraceroute |
| 18:01.47 | gpm_ | valdyn: k |
| 18:01.59 | valdyn | gpm_: ...to figure who's blocking it |
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| 18:02.16 | gpm | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:02.25 | gpm | valdyn: just tcptraceroute the server? |
| 18:02.31 | lanchow | Q: anyone know how to make a loop play like a-b with xmms ? |
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| 18:02.47 | valdyn | gpm: tcptraceroute server port |
| 18:02.58 | gpm | valdyn: k |
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| 18:03.45 | gpm | valdyn: does it make sense though that i can send a message from gmail to this debian box with no problem? |
| 18:04.49 | eeyore- | Zeeek: did you do something funny, like forgetting to run udev, or something? what kernel are you running, and are you using udev or devfsd, or neither? |
| 18:04.57 | Zeeek | eeyore- I'm still looking at how to make the kernel |
| 18:05.11 | eeyore- | Zeeek: dude, you're all over the places :-) |
| 18:05.14 | Zeeek | 2.4.27 |
| 18:05.36 | Zeeek | the minimum install was on another box |
| 18:05.37 | eeyore- | Zeeek: you say kernel doesn't boot, lilo has problems, you switched hard drive, /proc/partitions, X, make kernel ... can you stick to *one* area and work through that? |
| 18:05.44 | Zeeek | ok |
| 18:05.56 | eeyore- | Zeeek: what do you want to concentrate on, at the moment? |
| 18:06.00 | Zeeek | Yes, the system will boot when I do a ctrlD |
| 18:06.12 | Zeeek | yes, GRUB and menu.lst work now |
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| 18:06.28 | Zeeek | I tried lilo just to see the complaint it outputs |
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| 18:07.05 | Zeeek | there is really only some tiny thing somewhere that makes everyone think it's on hdb |
| 18:07.11 | Zeeek | and it pisses me off |
| 18:07.36 | eeyore- | Zeeek: and why do you say that? (something somewhere makes it thinks it's on hdb) |
| 18:07.37 | Zeeek | since this is a laptop and I want to install wifi etc, I need to be able to make a kernel |
| 18:08.14 | Zeeek | because it mounts as hdb but it should be - I'm talking thru my a$$ because I can feel the problem but don'tknow enuf to express it properly |
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| 18:08.32 | Zeeek | GRUB: |
| 18:08.39 | eeyore- | Zeeek: you need to be able to quantify it other than "feel" it |
| 18:08.52 | Zeeek | kernel /boot/vmlinuzblahblah root=/dev/hda1 |
| 18:09.15 | Zeeek | and initrd (hd0,0)/boot/blah work |
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| 18:09.38 | Zeeek | booting on that works until fsck complains there is no such thing as hd |
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| 18:10.53 | roxy_ | I am thinking about buying a new screen, so I'll have 2. How does it work with 2 screens ? How do you move the cursor from 1 to the other screen ? what about window ? |
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| 18:11.06 | eeyore- | roxy_: nvidia? |
| 18:11.21 | roxy_ | eeyore-: I need to buy the card too ? so anything |
| 18:11.28 | roxy_ | s/?/./ |
| 18:11.32 | eeyore- | roxy_: do you *already* have a dualhead card? |
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| 18:12.04 | Zeeek | no address or device when trying to open hdb6 |
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| 18:12.10 | roxy_ | eeyore-: no. I thought I could just add a new card and use it (so I'll have 2 cards). |
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| 18:12.25 | eeyore- | roxy_: if you need to buy a card you have some choices --- (a) matrox, (b) nvidia, or (c) ati. personally, i prefer nvidia, then ati, then matrox |
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| 18:12.35 | gpm | valdyn: traceroute was unable to reach host...is there an option i can use to get more info? |
| 18:12.46 | eeyore- | roxy_: reason being, with nvidia, you can use twinview and the driver supports dualhead out of the box, and you get Xgl/AIGLX |
| 18:12.49 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: you will need to get a PCI-card. and the wohle display-surface will be treated as 1 big display (unless you do something funny) |
| 18:12.55 | eeyore- | roxy_: same for ati (only xgl for now) |
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| 18:13.13 | Zeeek | so after googling that error, I found that replacing hdb with hda works - BUT : I need to know what to change in X so it knows where it's supposed to look forfiles. |
| 18:13.36 | eeyore- | roxy_: for matrox, you'll be in driver hell |
| 18:13.39 | Zeeek | I will go ahead and boot in console to do that but I thought there would be a quick fix, like just knowing where that file wasz |
| 18:13.48 | stew | pumpkin0: is not enabling xinerama doing something funny? (perhaps) :) |
| 18:13.59 | roxy_ | eeyore-: thanks for the info. Let me read about Xgl and AIGLX and I'll come back for more questions. :-) |
| 18:14.11 | eeyore- | roxy_: so, nvidia + twinview :-) |
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| 18:14.35 | pumpkin0 | stew: the one-big-screen thing is working perfectly w/o even installing xinerama. |
| 18:14.36 | valdyn | gpm: tcptraceroute goes step by step, you should see where its blocked |
| 18:14.45 | eeyore- | roxy_: if you want AGP, xfx makes several nice AGP-based cards that are affordable (~ $140) and kicks ass, 7700GT for example, dual dvi |
| 18:15.05 | stew | pumpkin0: except things can't move from one screen to another |
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| 18:16.13 | pumpkin0 | stew: no. mergeFB is enabled by default. |
| 18:16.14 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: there are two ways to get multi monitor display in X. you can let the driver do it (as is the case with nvidia and ati, and matrox with HAL driver + unofficial driver), or you can let X do it (with xinerama extension). you might want xinerama if you have multiple video cards |
| 18:16.21 | valdyn | !drxx Zeeek |
| 18:16.21 | dpkg | Zeeek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:16.30 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: or, you can make xinerama run the driver multiple times to get the output, but this is wasteful :-) |
| 18:17.44 | roxy_ | eeyore-: I don't need to kick ass :-). basically a screen will be mail+irc using emacs, the other eclipse for dev. I don't play game/video. |
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| 18:17.55 | ToxicSun | does etch have 3d video support |
| 18:18.00 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: get an old PCI-card of eBay for 3$... |
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| 18:18.12 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: yes. Now guess for which cards ... |
| 18:18.14 | valdyn | roxy_: the howto is on www.nvidia.com, xinerama is not required for what you mentioned |
| 18:18.14 | eeyore- | roxy_: you want dvi or will you settle with analog? i hate analog now :-) i love pixel-perfect dvi timings |
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| 18:18.29 | ToxicSun | tropico? |
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| 18:18.52 | roxy_ | eeyore-, pumpkin0: but can I use 2 screens setting with any video card ? and how does it work ? |
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| 18:19.10 | eeyore- | roxy_: if you want "any" arbitrary cards, then xinerama is your only choice |
| 18:19.45 | ToxicSun | pumpkin0 not many? |
| 18:19.54 | valdyn | roxy_: xinerama just merges several screens into 1 spanning multiple monitors, |
| 18:19.55 | eeyore- | roxy_: unless you mean "any" as in "any current dualhead card i see on the market", which really isn't "any arbitrary" cards. you get the point? |
| 18:20.09 | valdyn | roxy_: if your apps dont span across 2 screens you dont need xinerama |
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| 18:20.28 | eeyore- | valdyn: twinview can be configured to span displays ... |
| 18:20.29 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: If you download/install the closed-source drivers: lots. If you go OpenSoucre only ... a lot less. |
| 18:20.33 | eeyore- | valdyn: or not ... |
| 18:20.53 | valdyn | eeyore-: rather: xinerama works on twinview |
| 18:21.07 | eeyore- | valdyn: no, twinview *provides* xinerama-like features |
| 18:21.09 | ToxicSun | i was told there was open source stuff available for sarge too but i was told etch was better and included flash in apt-get |
| 18:21.13 | eeyore- | valdyn: without requiring xinerama |
| 18:21.22 | ToxicSun | better for desktop use, that is |
| 18:21.38 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: etch is the better repo for desktops right now. |
| 18:21.46 | gpm | valdyn: i just see three stars next to numbers...they go up to thirty (i assume these are hops) and show stars...nothing else |
| 18:21.46 | valdyn | eeyore-: ok, same result, point being that it works fine without xinerama or twinviews built in xinerama |
| 18:21.49 | roxy_ | I just want to be able to say, this app goes to that screen, this app to the other (a bit like for desktop in kde), and say, no pointer/keyboard go to that screen or the other . |
| 18:21.50 | eeyore- | valdyn: twinview itself provides the dualhead support internally, without xinerama |
| 18:21.56 | gpm | stars = * |
| 18:22.12 | roxy_ | I don't need to have 1 app in multiple screen |
| 18:22.22 | eeyore- | oh yeah, but to treat each display separately is a big PITA. imagine having to use :0 and :1 :-) |
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| 18:22.37 | eeyore- | roxy_: realize what you're getting into ... |
| 18:22.57 | valdyn | eeyore-: not exactly. its :0.0 and :0.1 |
| 18:23.10 | solars | is there something to lock X _and_ all other consoles? (ALT-x) |
| 18:23.15 | valdyn | eeyore-: or both 0.0 if whatever xinerama is activated |
| 18:23.19 | roxy_ | eeyore-: I know I don't want that. Isn't there kde/gnome or whatever that takes the pain out of it. It is really near desktop functionnality. |
| 18:23.22 | ToxicSun | i condisder myself a linux idiot and im using sarge now and i seem to be getting by... did the install and everything (not that thats hard) do you think i can manage with etch? the "!etch" description basically said to expect frustration |
| 18:23.41 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: you can have 2 cards, no xinerama and still use the mouse/keyboard on both w/o switching. |
| 18:23.58 | eeyore- | roxy_: you know what, your choices have been made for you by the market :-) if you are going to buy a card *now*, you'll get nvidia/ati :-) xinerama is moot |
| 18:24.22 | ToxicSun | haha |
| 18:24.32 | h3sp4wn | If you use want oss drivers you need xinerama still |
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| 18:24.38 | Zeeek | eeyore- ok clean boot to single user mode |
| 18:24.39 | valdyn | im not sure me or pumpkin0 got our points across |
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| 18:25.02 | Zeeek | How do I fix X |
| 18:25.08 | valdyn | !drxx Zeeek |
| 18:25.08 | dpkg | Zeeek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:25.28 | eeyore- | Zeeek: X doesn't care about *drives* ... it does not. either files are there, or they are not. |
| 18:25.35 | roxy_ | valdyn: I want to be able to switch app from one screen to the other and pointer/keyboard also . What do you recommend? |
| 18:25.41 | eeyore- | Zeeek: be more specific about what X can't find |
| 18:25.58 | valdyn | roxy_: an nvidia card with dual display support |
| 18:26.01 | ToxicSun | if you dont use xinerama then itd be like using two desktops at once and being able to see them both and click between them right? |
| 18:26.12 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: etch will turn stable in a very short time. Itīs easy to use, bugfree and does not crash. But itīs not for gaming or showing off with compiz/berly. Debian is a workhorse/server-OS. If you want fancy => go ubunut. |
| 18:26.24 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: right |
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| 18:26.35 | ToxicSun | oh |
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| 18:26.57 | GooE | i am trying to boot a PC using PXE , this PC is only connected to a linux router which is connected to a server running DHCP and TFTP, do i need a DHCP relay on the linux router to boot the PXE box ? |
| 18:27.00 | ToxicSun | im using it as a desktop... i suppose i feel kind of stupid |
| 18:27.45 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: itīs OK for work, but do not except games to run first go. |
| 18:27.57 | ToxicSun | right |
| 18:28.14 | roxy_ | valdyn: would you have a link on how dual display work (on a user perspective: how do I switch point, how do I swith app from 1 to the other display) |
| 18:28.30 | ToxicSun | so does ubuntu come with some of the "non-free" stuff debian doesnt and does it have better video support? |
| 18:28.48 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: gentoo, man. gentoo ... |
| 18:28.53 | ahlfors | ToxicSun, not really, ubuntu just doesn't separate its stuff into free and non-free, IIRC |
| 18:28.57 | valdyn | roxy_: you can either use the xinerama feature which just creates 1 X desktop spanning 2 screens, you can move apps around freely |
| 18:29.10 | ToxicSun | eeyore- i am afraid of gentoo |
| 18:29.20 | ToxicSun | i like apt-get... in fact i love apt-get |
| 18:29.26 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: don't see why ... it's about the same level of maintenance as, say, debian sid |
| 18:29.34 | valdyn | roxy_: or you dont use xinerama, then you get 2 basically independent desktops, where you cannot move apps from 1 to the other, but you can move your mouse from 1 to the other |
| 18:29.36 | Anarka | ToxicSun then forget about it and use aptitude |
| 18:29.42 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: ubuntu tries to have all the fancy stuff as fast as possible (=> crashs on non-common HW). It does not care that much about laws. |
| 18:29.43 | ToxicSun | yeah but i tried to install it a year ago and it was over my head |
| 18:30.30 | ToxicSun | pumpkin0 fitting for me... i dont care as much about the laws either although i do like the OSS idea |
| 18:30.33 | Anarka | eeyore- is it ? debian sid has no maintenence... cof cof :) |
| 18:30.50 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:31.02 | pumpkin0 | ToxicSun: mplayer w32codecs are missing in both ... |
| 18:31.15 | Anarka | mplayer exists in debian |
| 18:31.17 | Crankymonky | ToxicSun, Ubuntu doesn't come with non-free stuff, but many third party scripts are there to add it |
| 18:31.23 | ToxicSun | are those hard to install? i havent been mising those as much as flash and java |
| 18:31.24 | Anarka | w32codecs... nope |
| 18:31.27 | valdyn | roxy_: w/o xinerama you run 2 window managers, one on each screen, with xinerama one wm spans both screens |
| 18:31.30 | zinx | Anarka: No, it doesn't. It exists in some third party repositories. |
| 18:31.34 | pumpkin0 | Anarka: i said mplayer w32codec. |
| 18:31.37 | Anarka | zinx yes it does |
| 18:31.48 | zinx | Anarka: not unless something serious has changed :/ |
| 18:31.56 | zinx | !info mplayer sid |
| 18:31.57 | Anarka | zinx something serious has changed |
| 18:32.01 | Anarka | :P |
| 18:32.01 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4196 kB, Installed size: 9564 kB |
| 18:32.07 | zinx | well how about that |
| 18:32.07 | Zeeek | eeyore- ok here's what happens: gnome can't find my home directory |
| 18:32.23 | pumpkin0 | Zeeek: does your home exisit ? |
| 18:32.24 | valdyn | Zeeek: so you didnt fix your /home in /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:32.26 | eeyore- | Zeeek: where is your home directory supposed to be? |
| 18:32.44 | eeyore- | Zeeek: /home/<username> or elsewhere (NFS?) |
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| 18:33.04 | Zeeek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.14 | radical | roxy_: if you have an ati or nvida card, you can pretty much do any multiscreen thing you like, if you decide to use their drivers. |
| 18:33.19 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 18:33.20 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:33.22 | valdyn | ToxicSun: ^^^ |
| 18:33.44 | eeyore- | Zeeek: grep home /etc/fstab, what's the output? |
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| 18:33.57 | d0uglas | So this Cingular chick says I can get a blackberry and plug the son'bitch into my laptop for wireless web surfin' ... Is she joking my ass, and if not, what are the odds Debian will work with this mutha? |
| 18:33.58 | Zeeek | what was the keystroke to get into a console now that gnome is in control? |
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| 18:34.07 | eeyore- | Zeeek: control+alt+F1 |
| 18:34.10 | radical | Zeeek: ctrl alt ... |
| 18:34.13 | Zeeek | k |
| 18:34.23 | ToxicSun | thank you valdyn |
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| 18:34.28 | d0uglas | you are in control, not gnome Zeeek |
| 18:34.45 | amee2k | how can i find out as much as possible about available parllel ports? (at least IRQ number and IO base address) |
| 18:35.01 | Zeeek | supposed to be hda6 now |
| 18:35.02 | valdyn | amee2k: in your bios |
| 18:35.04 | ToxicSun | isnt that common textbook knowledge |
| 18:35.06 | eeyore- | d0uglas: you can probably treat it as communications device (serial port, basically), use ATDT command to dial, and *pay through your nose* for data rates |
| 18:35.26 | Zeeek | the only thing in /home now is lost+found |
| 18:35.26 | amee2k | well, this bios doesn't display IRQ assignment and stuff |
| 18:35.28 | d0uglas | is this a pppoe thing? |
| 18:35.30 | ToxicSun | haha yeah, douglas its highway robbery |
| 18:35.53 | ToxicSun | unless she meant bluetooth or wifi.... but then whats the point if your laptop already has wireless? |
| 18:35.55 | d0uglas | can i still run gtk-gnutella as a supernode with this sucker? |
| 18:35.58 | Zeeek | d0uglas yes, I control the screw ups |
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| 18:36.33 | d0uglas | bluetooth... well, don't have that |
| 18:36.34 | amee2k | i already looks at /proc/interrupts but that one isn't really helpful |
| 18:36.40 | d0uglas | don't have pcmcia either |
| 18:38.03 | eeyore- | d0uglas: dude, man ... you need some ways to "connect" the two devices together, and it'd better not be two cans and a string |
| 18:38.41 | amee2k | isn't there some way to display what linux detects? |
| 18:38.50 | eeyore- | Zeeek: well, what happened to your /home partition? :-) did you forget to save it, maybe it's back on / partition somewhere? |
| 18:39.09 | eeyore- | Zeeek: just a hunch, "cd /; umount /home; ls /home", what do you see? |
| 18:39.10 | d0uglas | eeyore, i got me a usb 2 port, a ps/2 jack, even an lpt port |
| 18:39.28 | d0uglas | koj: not sure, about to go to the store |
| 18:39.40 | eeyore- | d0uglas: unless i'm mistaken, you'll need bluetooth for the blackberry |
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| 18:39.44 | d0uglas | hmm why didn't bitchx fill in the rest of your name |
| 18:40.00 | d0uglas | eeyore-: such thing as a bluetooth adapter that plugs into a usb? |
| 18:40.04 | Zeeek | eeyore- you got something there... indeed my home dir |
| 18:40.16 | abrotman | because bitchx sucks ? |
| 18:40.18 | Zeeek | who double mounted /home :( ? |
| 18:40.25 | eeyore- | d0uglas: yes, but ... that is a hit and miss affair. you need one with the ... let me find which chipset |
| 18:40.54 | ToxicSun | how do i save and quit in vim |
| 18:41.03 | tralala | ToxicSun, ZZ |
| 18:41.07 | tralala | or :wq |
| 18:41.13 | ToxicSun | thats what it is |
| 18:41.17 | ToxicSun | i was trying to us ^wq |
| 18:41.19 | d0uglas | abrotman: it seems the surer you are of an answer, the more likely you are to end a declarative with a question mark. Or maybe it's just your way of indicating the obvious, which is that I am a douchebag. |
| 18:41.20 | ToxicSun | thanks |
| 18:41.29 | d0uglas | eeyore-: tyvm |
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| 18:41.52 | eeyore- | d0uglas: you'll need "cambridge silicon" chip, works best with the profiles that are out there |
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| 18:42.08 | d0uglas | all right i'll google that |
| 18:42.08 | abrotman | d0uglas: are you trying to qualify for another qotd ? |
| 18:42.09 | Caelum | should I read Stevens' APUE? |
| 18:42.23 | d0uglas | abrotman: #6 is good enough for my self esteem |
| 18:42.23 | Caelum | or is it too out of date |
| 18:42.36 | tralala | !qotd6 |
| 18:42.36 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 18:42.44 | d0uglas | sigh |
| 18:42.44 | Zeeek | so eeyore- it looks like hda6 is being mounted as /home |
| 18:42.49 | eeyore- | Zeeek: yeah, you made your home directory on / (which is, what, /dev/hda3 or so?) and then went and make another partition for /home, mount it over /, which of course hid the existing home directory |
| 18:42.51 | Zeeek | wtf is that happening ? |
| 18:42.56 | eeyore- | Zeeek: see above |
| 18:43.02 | d0uglas | that wasn't easy, those manual takeovers, and those #hack guys were crafty back in the day |
| 18:43.06 | Zeeek | yeah - this was done during the install |
| 18:43.07 | eeyore- | Zeeek: there's no need for "tf", it's extremely clear what happened |
| 18:43.27 | d0uglas | 1200 baud modem not to mention |
| 18:43.35 | tralala | d0uglas, how is bitchx better than irssi? |
| 18:43.45 | Zeeek | I see, I installed, tried it didn't work, installed again - must have answered differently for the partinion part |
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| 18:44.08 | Zeeek | where is hd6 being mounted? in fstab? |
| 18:44.10 | d0uglas | tralala: because bitchx has a bitchin' name and appreciating the advantages of irssi would require me to actually try the thing which i haven't done |
| 18:44.11 | eeyore- | Zeeek: here's how to fix it ... "mkdir /mnt/new-home; mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/new-home; cp --archive /home/* /mnt/new-home/; rm -fr /home/*; sync; umount /mnt/new-home; mount /home" |
| 18:44.24 | d0uglas | tralala: not to mention the billiant quit messages |
| 18:44.30 | amee2k | /proc/ioports at least gives me how many paraports i have |
| 18:44.35 | ToxicSun | eeyore- why do you think gentoo would be better for me than debian |
| 18:44.50 | _JusSx_ | debian is better than gentoo |
| 18:44.55 | tralala | d0uglas, "brilliant" is a funny way to say "lame" |
| 18:45.10 | d0uglas | someone told me about this feature, watch this |
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| 18:45.22 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: no particular reason, i thought you wanted bleeding edge stuff and lots of eye candy |
| 18:45.28 | d0uglas | :) |
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| 18:45.55 | ToxicSun | well, i am using my computer as a desktop... i just want something that works with maybe some cool programs or games |
| 18:46.12 | ToxicSun | i wouldnt call it bleeding edge but i suppose i dont need a "workhorse" |
| 18:46.17 | _JusSx_ | ToxicSun: debian |
| 18:46.22 | amee2k | Q: is there a way to start a debian installation from an existing non-debian system? |
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| 18:46.36 | _JusSx_ | eeyore-: yeah |
| 18:46.42 | tralala | ToxicSun, if you want shiny and not necessarily working go for ubuntu |
| 18:46.43 | ToxicSun | haha i know _jussx_ im using debian as we speak i just want to hear his point of view |
| 18:46.45 | _JusSx_ | amee2k: yeah |
| 18:47.05 | cydork | amee2k: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 18:47.09 | _JusSx_ | ToxicSun: do you wonna compile what you wonna use? |
| 18:47.16 | ToxicSun | thats what i like about debian tralala... it works so well no error messages |
| 18:47.24 | _JusSx_ | ToxicSun: gentoo has got less packages than debian |
| 18:47.32 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: well, you might want gentoo if you dislike debian's everything included package management :-) |
| 18:47.44 | eeyore- | ToxicSun: there are pluses and minuses for your choices |
| 18:47.51 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 18:47.54 | _JusSx_ | gentoo requirees users have a lot of time for compiling stuff |
| 18:47.54 | amee2k | ty |
| 18:47.55 | tralala | ToxicSun, didn't you just say you didn't need a "workhorse"? Or is it me who doesn't get the meaning of "workhorse"? |
| 18:48.10 | eeyore- | _JusSx_: not valid these days with lost of horsepower, besides you can emerge things while you sleep ... |
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| 18:48.33 | Bhavesh | how do you disconnect an ssh session from the client side when it's hung with message bhavesh@wolverine:~$ exit |
| 18:48.36 | Bhavesh | logout |
| 18:48.39 | Zeeek | erm eeyore- the mount isn't working: can't find /dev/hda6/mnt/new-home in /etc/fstab or mtab |
| 18:48.43 | ToxicSun | well, im not using it for a server application or anything its just a desktop... i run gaim, mozilla, open office, some games, and whatever else i feel like at the time tralala |
| 18:48.50 | eeyore- | Zeeek: pay attention to spaces! |
| 18:49.03 | tralala | Bhavesh, <enter>~. |
| 18:49.05 | Zeeek | bad cut&paste... lemmie see here |
| 18:49.06 | eeyore- | Zeeek: UNIX has NOT perfected mindreading extension, yet |
| 18:49.09 | Bhavesh | tralala: didn't work |
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| 18:49.18 | Zeeek | *ubuntu claims they did? |
| 18:49.28 | Bhavesh | i mean i have already 'logged out' of the system but i am not getting local prompt back |
| 18:49.32 | radical | Bhavesh: ps aux, find you pid, kill it |
| 18:49.34 | radical | +r |
| 18:49.46 | tralala | Bhavesh, do you have any port forwards active? |
| 18:49.58 | Bhavesh | tralala: nope.. i was logged in one linxu machine from another |
| 18:50.00 | tralala | or any background jobs on the server |
| 18:50.13 | Bhavesh | radical: that's what i may have to do.. i have not seen this happend too often though |
| 18:50.24 | eeyore- | Zeeek: you DO NOT want to cut and paste anything with "rm -fr" |
| 18:50.40 | eeyore- | Zeeek: i hope your /home directory is still intact, because there was an rm -fr in there :-p |
| 18:50.41 | gpm | valdyn: so if traceroute just does 30 hops and times out every time (then saying host can't be reached)...do you have any suggestions about where i should go from there? |
| 18:50.43 | Zeeek | heh, didn't get tot hat yet - but |
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| 18:50.48 | radical | Bhavesh: me neither, but when it happens killing it was always simple enough ;) |
| 18:50.49 | Bhavesh | the funny thing is on that remote computer, 'w' only shows root even though i am logged in twice |
| 18:50.49 | Zeeek | No spaces are different |
| 18:50.54 | tralala | Bhavesh, ~. should work (works for me) |
| 18:50.56 | Bhavesh | radical: that's very true ;) |
| 18:51.00 | Bhavesh | tralala: lemme try |
| 18:51.09 | Bhavesh | tralala: that worked.. thanks |
| 18:51.19 | ToxicSun | does ubuntu use a completely different repository than debian or are they same? |
| 18:51.30 | blondie | different |
| 18:51.31 | Bhavesh | radical: ~. also worked :) |
| 18:51.33 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 18:51.46 | blondie | I think c.c |
| 18:51.49 | blondie | ask #ubuntu :o |
| 18:51.56 | tralala | ToxicSun, I do the same with debian sarge and a few backports and I'm fine. |
| 18:52.01 | tclineks | I'm hitting this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=32900 i.e. apache-common configure script failing if www-data has been renamed |
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| 18:52.27 | radical | Bhavesh: wohoo :) |
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| 18:52.27 | tralala | and ubuntu has its onw repository and quite a few patched packages in there |
| 18:52.31 | Zeeek | eeyore- ok, wait mount /dev/hda6/mnt new-home the space fell right on a CR |
| 18:52.48 | Zeeek | needs the filestsyem type which I think is ext3 |
| 18:52.52 | eeyore- | Zeeek: "mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/new-home" |
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| 18:53.06 | ToxicSun | tralala patched packages? |
| 18:53.13 | ToxicSun | just updated packages |
| 18:53.15 | ToxicSun | ? |
| 18:53.28 | tralala | I mean extra patches |
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| 18:53.45 | Zeeek | eeyore- yup thazt worked with -t ext3 |
| 18:54.15 | ToxicSun | arg i just want java/3d video support |
| 18:54.17 | ToxicSun | haha |
| 18:54.28 | radical | ToxicSun: doesnt matter, if you dont know the difference, you will not notice it |
| 18:55.06 | ToxicSun | the difference between what and what radical? |
| 18:55.07 | tralala | You can have java and 3d with debian as well. You won't have the latest kde/gnome/games though |
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| 18:55.22 | radical | ToxicSun: distributions of course |
| 18:55.32 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 18:55.43 | ToxicSun | im gonna fool around with my ubuntu livecd |
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| 18:55.50 | ToxicSun | when it asks me for root password |
| 18:55.56 | ToxicSun | is there a default livecd root |
| 18:55.59 | ran_duh | what's the package for sshd? |
| 18:56.04 | tralala | ran_duh, ssh |
| 18:56.05 | blondie | ran_duh: ssh? |
| 18:56.06 | Anarka | ssh |
| 18:56.09 | Bhavesh | dang |
| 18:56.12 | tralala | !win me |
| 18:56.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:56.13 | Braindead | !win tralala |
| 18:56.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:56.14 | Bhavesh | i wanted to answer that question.. i know this one |
| 18:56.15 | blondie | ToxicSun: #ubuntu innit |
| 18:56.26 | tralala | Braindead, bwahahaha I won twice! |
| 18:56.38 | ToxicSun | blondie what does innit mean |
| 18:56.43 | Braindead | 2 for the price of 1,what a bargain |
| 18:56.52 | blondie | "isn't it" |
| 18:57.03 | ToxicSun | oh, thank you |
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| 18:58.06 | Zeeek | eeyore- thanks a lot - I have to go but it looks like your help got me on the path to righteousness. Or at least booted multiuser |
| 18:58.22 | tclineks | Setting up apache-common (1.3.34-4ubuntu1) ... |
| 18:58.22 | tclineks | addgroup: The GID `33' is already in use. |
| 18:58.22 | tclineks | dpkg: error processing apache-common (--configure): |
| 18:58.35 | eeyore- | Zeeek: see, gentoobies are good for something |
| 18:58.37 | shadey_ | does the i386-netinstall support SATA devices ? |
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| 18:58.44 | ran_duh | How do I change my mirror list? the debian-installer didnt change my installation settings I guess |
| 18:58.56 | tclineks | I'm unable to configure apache-common because I renamed www-data: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=32900 |
| 18:59.10 | tclineks | any suggestions? |
| 18:59.10 | tclineks | rename it back temporarily |
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| 18:59.14 | eeyore- | tclineks: rename it back? |
| 18:59.21 | shingouz | tclineks: rename the difficult directory to what apache wants? |
| 18:59.35 | tclineks | it's not a directory but the presence of the group |
| 18:59.45 | tclineks | eeyore-: where is this script at |
| 18:59.53 | Zeeek | It is only by chance that I installed debian. There were articles about the laptop NC4000 that said it worked with the hw |
| 18:59.56 | tclineks | eeyore-: i'd rather just change it |
| 19:00.23 | eeyore- | tclineks: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:00.24 | tclineks | eeyore-: I need it to be 'apache' as it was like that on the old server and minimization of differences is desirable |
| 19:00.44 | eeyore- | tclineks: dude, there are other ways |
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| 19:00.45 | dendrite | tclineks: Create another group named apache, with the same GID? |
| 19:00.52 | eeyore- | tclineks: make another group named apache, doesn't matter |
| 19:00.54 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 19:00.54 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 19:01.05 | solars | plutonas, you may also look at xautolock :) |
| 19:01.05 | tclineks | eeyore-: hrm, yeah |
| 19:01.20 | eeyore- | tclineks: if you want it to "look" (e.g., reads "apache" when ls -la) then put this entry ahead of www-data |
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| 19:01.29 | eeyore- | or is it later, i don't remember ... one of those :-) |
| 19:01.51 | dendrite | eeyore-: Ya think? =) |
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| 19:02.04 | eeyore- | dendrite: well it gets screwy with NIS database lookup :-p |
| 19:02.11 | eeyore- | dendrite: flatfile i can see, but ... |
| 19:02.42 | dendrite | eeyore-: Yeah, who knows for NIS. With flatfile, I'd *hope* the first hit is taken, rather than continuing to wander down the list... |
| 19:03.46 | disasm | I'm looking into switching an openbsd system acting as a firewall/router to debian, possibly within the next year. Does netfilter (iptables) scale well enough to handle a network of approx, 300 machines, mostly with NFS traffic being routed to a different subnet? |
| 19:03.50 | codesta | hi guys, i have a problem on boot with the msg FATAL: Could not open '/System.map': No such file or directory, i have this file in /boot and have it linked from / i still dont know what is wrong? anyone care to pin point where my problem lies? |
| 19:04.00 | eeyore- | dendrite: yeah, we have to do similar trick with the group thing. solaris only likes the group to be so long, so we have to have multiple g1, g2, g3, etc. and when ls does a name lookup it's a toss up as to which group label gets displayed :-) |
| 19:04.02 | Zeeek | yup it worked - thx again |
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| 19:05.25 | eeyore- | disasm: if you have something that works, why change? job security? :-) |
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| 19:05.41 | tralala | codesta, do you have /boot on a different partition than / |
| 19:05.56 | iter | disasm: use pf |
| 19:06.05 | iter | disasm: pf is lovely |
| 19:06.19 | codesta | tralala, yeh i have it on a different partition |
| 19:07.00 | codesta | tralala, everything boot fine apart from that msg |
| 19:07.15 | tralala | codesta, I guess you have misconfigured your bootloader then - you need to specify /boot as a boot partition and pass root=/ to the kernel |
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| 19:07.26 | disasm | iter: I agree, until you try to upgrade to a newer version... |
| 19:07.46 | rohan | hi all, i am trying to install etch using debootstrap, but it its stuck at "I: Retrieving Packages" .. it is not doing anything at all |
| 19:08.02 | rohan | debootstrap --arch i386 etch /mnt/debinst http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian |
| 19:08.02 | codesta | tralala, ahh k thanks, i'll have a look into it |
| 19:08.06 | rohan | is that command right ? |
| 19:08.47 | tralala | rohan, how do you know it's doing nothing? |
| 19:09.00 | rohan | tralala: because my net activity is zero |
| 19:09.06 | rohan | it is not showing any progress |
| 19:09.09 | eeyore- | tralala: easy, no naked dancing penguins |
| 19:09.16 | rohan | and /mnt/debinst/var/cache/apt is empty |
| 19:09.19 | eeyore- | tralala: that means nothing is happening |
| 19:09.26 | tralala | eeyore-, ;) |
| 19:09.47 | rohan | and i've confirmed that i have perfectly working wget and all |
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| 19:09.53 | disasm | iter: main problem is the network keeps freezing up, (NMB cluster is filling up), which causes the openbsd router to freeze the traffic, which prevents clients from communicating with NFS server (running debian linux clients and NFS server) which freezes the machines until the openbsd machine recovers |
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| 19:10.37 | disasm | iter: I've heard upgrades fix it, but upgrading openbsd is such a pain, it would be nice to have a debian system that upgrades a lot easier if netfilter scales good enough to handle the network |
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| 19:11.02 | itchi | When i ssh to an box, and want to use remotely evolution. He complain about 'cannot open display'. How set i that right? |
| 19:11.03 | tralala | rohan, how do you monitor the net activity? Did you try a different mirror? |
| 19:11.06 | codesta | tralala, actually sorry on second thought i think my setting is correct else i wouldnt be able to boot |
| 19:11.13 | rohan | is "etch" a valid release ? |
| 19:11.20 | rohan | or should i use "testing" instead ? |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | etch probably |
| 19:11.29 | tralala | codesta, yep, you have a point. |
| 19:11.42 | rohan | tralala: using knemo, and i've tried many mirrors |
| 19:11.44 | eeyore- | disasm: i'm afraid the answer is "try it and see" --- and you're gonna need more than iptables if you have heavy nfs traffic. you're going to need to shape them as well, to maybe give nfs more priority |
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| 19:12.06 | eeyore- | disasm: otherwise you're still gonna see "nfs server not responding" somewhere, depending on your bandwidth |
| 19:12.07 | tralala | codesta, are we talking about grub? |
| 19:12.11 | disasm | eeyore-: ok, thankyou |
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| 19:12.18 | codesta | tralala, yep grub |
| 19:12.31 | rohan | debootstrap.invalid_dists_etch_Release ,, wtf ?! |
| 19:12.48 | rohan | it is in "/mnt/debinst/var/lib/apt/lists/partial" |
| 19:13.03 | eeyore- | disasm: what kind of hardware you got for this? |
| 19:13.07 | tralala | codesta, so is your root (hdX,Y) pointing to the /boot partition? |
| 19:13.48 | itchi | How can i know to which display number i need to point for that variable? |
| 19:13.49 | disasm | eeyore-: an intel 3 ghz, 4 gig ram, 6 network ports |
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| 19:14.08 | rohan | is there anything i can do, to get this working ? |
| 19:14.11 | codesta | tralala, ummm its pointing to the boot partition, and root=/dev/sdd5 is to the / |
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| 19:15.18 | abrotman | rohan: use sarge and dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:15.22 | tralala | codesta, is grub installed on /boot? I mean is /boot set as bootable and booting? |
| 19:15.55 | rohan | abrotman: my cd burner is not working .. which is why i am using debootstrap :( |
| 19:16.05 | rohan | wtf ! in "/mnt/debinst/work/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts" etch is a symlink to sid |
| 19:16.15 | abrotman | rohan: i meant use debootstrap to install sarge .. then dist-upgrade |
| 19:16.20 | codesta | tralala, yep /boot is my first partition and its set to bootable |
| 19:16.30 | rohan | abrotman: oh .. |
| 19:16.37 | rohan | lets see |
| 19:16.53 | tralala | codesta, interesting... |
| 19:16.56 | abrotman | more than one way to skin an earthworm ... |
| 19:17.10 | rohan | but the earlier was the direct way |
| 19:17.14 | rohan | this one is not :) |
| 19:17.18 | codesta | tralala, the thing is i have tried placing a copy of System.map in / , /boot , /boot/grub and it still throw me that error |
| 19:17.54 | stew | rohan: yes, installing sid and installing etch is the same so the scripts are the same the only thing that changes is the TARGET that you are pulling packages from |
| 19:18.04 | eeyore- | disasm: all the ports are gigabits? you might get better throughput if you also enable jumbo frames under linux as well |
| 19:18.05 | rohan | stew: ah, ok |
| 19:18.14 | rohan | stew: but neither etch, sid, nor sarge seem to work |
| 19:18.23 | blondie | is etch netinst still broken? |
| 19:18.24 | rohan | yes, even sarge :P ;) |
| 19:18.32 | stew | rohan: what version of debootstrap are you using? |
| 19:18.37 | rohan | stew: 0.3.3 |
| 19:18.40 | disasm | eeyore-: no... there 10/100... I wish they were gigabit, but dept doesn't have the money for that atm |
| 19:18.40 | stew | rohan: and have you checked the bts? |
| 19:18.45 | rohan | i am following this - http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/17/1947210 |
| 19:18.50 | rohan | stew: ah .. my bad |
| 19:18.52 | stew | rohan: in what way does it fail? |
| 19:19.09 | rohan | it is stuck at "I: Retrieving Packages" |
| 19:19.13 | rohan | no further activity |
| 19:19.22 | stew | rohan: sounds like a netorking problem |
| 19:19.23 | tralala | codesta, hmm... try /boot/boot/System.map |
| 19:19.27 | stew | rohan: try a different mirror perhaps? |
| 19:19.31 | abrotman | :which driver |
| 19:19.33 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 19:19.33 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 19:19.54 | rohan | stew: i tried many different mirrors |
| 19:20.03 | Seb | why is the following command still asking me questions about conf files ? DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive" apt-get dist-upgrade --yes --force-yes --quiet |
| 19:20.06 | rohan | stew: the plain ftp, .au, .de, and even india |
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| 19:20.12 | Seb | i want to not get prompted about anything so I can automate things |
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| 19:20.28 | tralala | rohan, and you are certain that wget works? |
| 19:20.36 | rohan | yes |
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| 19:20.57 | Seb | from what I read about debconf, set DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive" should take care of it, but apparently I'm missing something... |
| 19:21.08 | tralala | rohan, do you use a proxy or something? |
| 19:21.11 | codesta | tralala, ahh k will do |
| 19:21.12 | rohan | no |
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| 19:21.20 | rohan | its a plain dhcp connection |
| 19:21.48 | eeyore- | disasm: then i don't see why it'd be a problem. that's not a lot of traffic and even the processing of the rules should be fairly minimal on the CPU. for what its worth, gigabit under linux, you'd get throughput of anywhere from 15-35MB/sec without jumbo frames to 45-55MB/sec with jumbo frames |
| 19:21.50 | Seb | rohan: which has nothign to do with whether or not you use a proxy |
| 19:21.52 | itchi | How can i use remotely graphical apps? |
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| 19:21.58 | Seb | itchi: ssh -Y |
| 19:22.02 | rohan | Seb: true |
| 19:22.05 | rohan | but as i said, i dont |
| 19:22.20 | eeyore- | disasm: PCI or PCI-x ? |
| 19:22.35 | rohan | debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/debinst http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian ---> is that command correct ? |
| 19:22.35 | tralala | rohan, try to run the debootstrap and see the url wget is trying to get. Then wget it manually. |
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| 19:23.03 | rohan | tralala: it is not displaying which url it wants |
| 19:23.12 | eeyore- | disasm: you said "6 network ports", i take it two are onboard and the other four are on a single card? |
| 19:23.15 | itchi | Seb: Near similar error. In the config X forwarding is enabled |
| 19:23.35 | itchi | Seb: Need i to change an variable or so? |
| 19:23.39 | tralala | rohan, it will if you use ps e |
| 19:23.51 | Seb | itchi: no |
| 19:23.54 | disasm | eeyore-: yeah |
| 19:24.09 | Seb | itchi: but the remote ssh server need to do x forwarding |
| 19:24.20 | eeyore- | disasm: the four-port card, is it tulip-based? |
| 19:24.22 | itchi | Seb: Yes, it is |
| 19:24.27 | Seb | itchi: *what* is the error then ? |
| 19:24.49 | eeyore- | disasm: or is it like a realtek or something? adaptec? |
| 19:25.28 | rohan | tralala: it might sound foolish, but complete url is not visible |
| 19:25.31 | rohan | only part of it is |
| 19:25.35 | disasm | eeyore-: actually I'm wrong, gigabit intel's, just the switches and head unit for the switches is 10/100 |
| 19:25.55 | itchi | Seb: when i start gvim for example http://pastebin.ca/245239 |
| 19:26.15 | eeyore- | disasm: well then, you shouldn't have a problem. those are mature drivers. |
| 19:26.25 | rohan | tralala: but, yes, i do see that wget command |
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| 19:26.48 | Seb | itchi: you sure you used -Y ? |
| 19:27.05 | tralala | rohan, use COLUMNS=200 (or more) ps e |
| 19:27.08 | itchi | Seb: Yes, just 'ssh -Y hostname' |
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| 19:27.50 | disasm | eeyore-: ok, I might give debian a go on it over spring break, when very few people are here, can't really touch it now though, people would be up in arms ;-) |
| 19:27.51 | Seb | itchi: do you have another remote server you could try this on, to rule out a local problem ? |
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| 19:27.55 | secher | When pear downloads a .tgz to be installed, where does it store it? |
| 19:28.17 | itchi | Seb: I can do it in the other direction. Would that help? |
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| 19:28.36 | tralala | secher, is this a slackware question? |
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| 19:28.44 | secher | tralala: Nope, Debian Sid. |
| 19:28.44 | Seb | tralala: a php one |
| 19:28.58 | Seb | secher: #php, homes |
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| 19:29.07 | tralala | Seb, oh, I see |
| 19:29.08 | Seb | itchi: not exactly :) |
| 19:29.22 | Seb | itchi: i'd like you to try from the same local machine, onto a different remote server |
| 19:29.24 | eeyore- | "wrong authentication"? |
| 19:29.30 | ghenry | Hi all. I custom compiled bd 4.2.52, and and some app don't pick it up unless I add the lib path to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig, but then stock deb app that use the shipped berkley db, try to use the new one. Any tips on how to keep them seperate? |
| 19:29.39 | eeyore- | mmmm, i'd have to guess it's a xauth thing |
| 19:29.58 | Seb | ghenry: you install manually compiled app under /usr/local |
| 19:30.00 | eeyore- | itchi: you have xauth on the remote server? the one where you started gvim from |
| 19:30.13 | Seb | ghenry: that way /deb installed apps don't use those libs or whatever |
| 19:30.26 | rohan | ok, wget works perfectly |
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| 19:30.28 | rohan | but not that url |
| 19:30.32 | tralala | isn't ssh -X working? |
| 19:30.46 | Seb | tralala: that has changed a bit in the past year |
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| 19:30.53 | Seb | tralala: -Y is now the "syre shot" way to do this |
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| 19:30.57 | ghenry | Seb: yeah, /usr/local/BerkleyDB-4.2/lib |
| 19:31.03 | Seb | *sure |
| 19:31.06 | solars | can anyone give me a hint on how to do this: lock X after 10 min, execute foo.sh after 20 min idle time |
| 19:31.08 | pumpkin0 | what will be / is the name for Firefox 2 in debian ? |
| 19:31.21 | itchi | Seb: In the other direction it work |
| 19:31.34 | nisc | hi, which are the best cd writing programs atm (gui)? xcdroast seems to be a bit outdated .. |
| 19:31.38 | ghenry | Seb: OpenLDAP needs the custom one, and exim needs the stock, but neither see them unless they are in ld.so.conf!, so lots of unresolved symbols etc. |
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| 19:31.54 | medc | hello |
| 19:32.00 | stew | pumpkin0: "firefox" is in experimental, when it enters unstable it will be named "iceweasel", /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 19:32.05 | nvz | nisc: try gnome-baker or k3b |
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| 19:32.09 | nisc | okay |
| 19:32.20 | eeyore- | itchi: yoohoo? did you enable ForwardX11Trusted option on the ssh server? |
| 19:32.36 | medc | i have a Geforce 6660 agp and a AOC monitor which is the max resol i can have and how do i configure it |
| 19:32.55 | ghenry | will have a play and see seb, thanks |
| 19:32.56 | nvz | medc: how the hell should we know |
| 19:33.09 | nvz | medc: maybe if you told us what monitor you have that would help |
| 19:33.10 | eeyore- | medc: mmm, install the nvidia driver and it's magic? :-) |
| 19:33.11 | rohan | oh well .. i'll try it later |
| 19:33.14 | rohan | bye all, for now |
| 19:33.27 | rgsteele_ | So, I've been spoiled too long with rcconf...and I want to put myself through the pain of learning the rc.d process...any pointers to some good documentation? |
| 19:33.27 | eeyore- | medc: actually, it's the magic of DDC, but who cares |
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| 19:33.45 | medc | eeyore-, i install it and the max resol i got is 1024x768 |
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| 19:34.12 | valdyn | rgsteele_: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:34.13 | nvz | if you arent going to be bothered to type "resolution" the abbreviation is "res" |
| 19:34.26 | eeyore- | medc: well, is that the maximum resolution of the display? read /var/log/X*log and see why the mode you think it should use isn't being used |
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| 19:34.42 | medc | thnks eeyore- |
| 19:35.01 | eeyore- | medc: probably specified wrong HorizSync and VertRefresh values |
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| 19:36.04 | eeyore- | medc: look for lines similar to these, (see your /msg) |
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| 19:38.57 | itchi | Seb: Strange, because i have look to the config. These have the same and on one computer i share the gui apss |
| 19:39.41 | medc | eeyore-, those lines does not appear in the log :S |
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| 19:39.59 | eeyore- | medc: well of course not, you don't have a dell 2005fpw, do you? |
| 19:40.05 | CBG | ntu |
| 19:40.07 | Seb | itchi: eeyore- was tryign to help you, and his xauth intuition made sense to me... |
| 19:40.20 | medc | no |
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| 19:40.31 | medc | but i search for hsync and nothing :S |
| 19:41.05 | eeyore- | medc: hmmm well, ok, nevermind then :-) just make educated guess ;-) |
| 19:41.22 | medc | hm ok |
| 19:41.23 | itchi | ow, i have not see it |
| 19:41.28 | medc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.31 | nvz | thats the valley of the shadow of death |
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| 19:42.09 | itchi | eeyore-: Man, sorry, i had not see it, switched to another console and have not scrolled up |
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| 19:42.52 | eeyore- | itchi: hmm well :-) ok. i guessed two things. either you need xauth, or, you need ForwardX11Trusted (since you use -Y, right?) |
| 19:42.53 | erore | How do I make computer boot to gnome? |
| 19:42.53 | itchi | eeyore-: I have not that option on both side in the config |
| 19:43.02 | nvz | erore: install gdm |
| 19:43.10 | nvz | erore: and of course gnome |
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| 19:43.29 | itchi | eeyore-: -Y, as long i can use gui apps remotely ;-) |
| 19:43.45 | nvz | erore: if you want it to boot directly to the desktop without logging in, you will have to configure gdm using gdm-setup to login your user automatically when the system boots |
| 19:43.46 | _nalle | I got a quick question, about how many packages does debian have in the stable repo? |
| 19:43.50 | eeyore- | what's the deal with this newfangled -Y option? kids these days ... |
| 19:44.00 | eeyore- | get off my lawn!! |
| 19:44.17 | erore | nvz: ok thanks |
| 19:44.26 | itchi | Need i to add 'ForwardX11Trusted yes' ? |
| 19:44.29 | pumpkin0 | _nalle: ~14000 |
| 19:44.43 | nvz | add some cheese, it makes it taste better |
| 19:44.57 | Seb | eeyore-: you don't need trusted if you use -Y, that's the point I think. Only with -X |
| 19:45.12 | Seb | itchi: so do you have xauth on the remote server ? |
| 19:45.23 | Seb | itchi: not with -Y |
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| 19:45.26 | _nalle | pumpkin0: and in the unstable repo? |
| 19:45.29 | itchi | Seb: I'm trying to look for it if i have it |
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| 19:45.48 | pumpkin0 | _nalle: > 16000. |
| 19:45.51 | _nalle | kk |
| 19:45.56 | _nalle | thanks |
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| 19:46.00 | nvz | speaking of tasting better I ate nothing but 6 slices of peperoni and 2 slices of dry bread this morning.. its time to cook I reckon |
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| 19:46.12 | eeyore- | Seb: mm i think it's the other way. -X = ForwardX11 (because that's the way it's been for ages) and now with the newfangled -Y, it sure reads like you need -Y = ForwardX11Trusted |
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| 19:46.56 | eeyore- | sed: my recipe, for old farts like me, -X : ForwardX11 : xauth |
| 19:46.58 | itchi | Seb: I do not know if i have. How do i check about xauth, is that in xbase-clients? |
| 19:47.00 | eeyore- | Seb: ^^ |
| 19:47.15 | Seb | eeyore-: -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding. Trusted X11 forwardings are not subjected to the X11 SECURITY extension controls. |
| 19:47.20 | Seb | eeyore-: so i'd say no |
| 19:47.24 | Seb | eeyore-: i think i'm right :) |
| 19:47.38 | nvz | hmm I came back from the kitchen to see "my recipe, for old farts..." |
| 19:47.54 | Flusher | hi |
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| 19:48.06 | nvz | Flusher: hello, dont forget to wipe |
| 19:48.09 | Seb | itchi: shit, try with -X, it doesn't cost much |
| 19:48.23 | Seb | itchi: and yeah, xauth should be in xbase-clients; just log onto the remote server ands try to run it ! |
| 19:48.26 | tralala | Seb, apparently -Y doesn't work if X11Forwading is disabled on the server side |
| 19:48.33 | itchi | Seb: I had try that to and was same trouble |
| 19:48.36 | Seb | tralala: of course not, neither -X nor -Y will |
| 19:48.51 | Seb | itchi: the point here is to see if you have that command or not |
| 19:48.59 | Flusher | I'm looking for some feedbacks of using Xen 3 on stable debian in production. Is it running well ? |
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| 19:49.34 | itchi | Seb: Which command exactly? |
| 19:49.39 | nvz | Flusher: this isnt the place to get feedback on anything, its a support channel |
| 19:49.43 | eeyore- | i'm gonna break out the ssh code any time now ... |
| 19:49.44 | eeyore- | :-) |
| 19:49.44 | Seb | itchi: x-a-u-t-h |
| 19:49.49 | Flusher | nvz: ok, thank you |
| 19:49.53 | tralala | Seb, so what's the benefit of -Y? |
| 19:50.00 | Seb | Flusher: google knows about xen and stable |
| 19:50.22 | Seb | tralala: it bypasses X sec. extensions, as the man page says. Basically a "i don't care about the sec. implications just do it" |
| 19:50.31 | itchi | Seb: I have xauth on both sides |
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| 19:50.35 | Seb | itchi: ok |
| 19:50.51 | tralala | Seb, and this is useful for... |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | would anyone perhaps know if ips or aacraid supports the serveraid 8i controller ? |
| 19:51.10 | Flusher | Seb: i don't want to talk to a bot, i want an human advice ;p |
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| 19:51.44 | tralala | Flusher, hire a consultant |
| 19:52.06 | Seb | Flusher: google is not a bot. It'll lead you to forms or some other shit |
| 19:52.17 | nvz | Flusher: how dare you! blasphemey!! |
| 19:52.30 | eeyore- | bot? google? bot? |
| 19:52.39 | tralala | dpkg, you bot! |
| 19:52.46 | nvz | dpkg, person? |
| 19:52.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 19:53.01 | tralala | bwahahaha |
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| 19:53.31 | itchi | Seb: I not know what's happend, like on both side it's the same config; just wondering why in one direction it will never work. From other computer to that computer it will also not work. The rest of the comps still work fine |
| 19:53.49 | CharminTheMoose | I get:/boot/config-2.6.8-2-686:2628:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol JFFS2_FS_NAND when i do a sudo make config on the latest kernel source |
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| 19:53.58 | tralala | dpkg, say Flusher: there's nothing wrong talking to a bot! |
| 19:53.59 | dpkg | Flusher: there's nothing wrong talking to a bot! |
| 19:54.14 | itchi | Seb: And it's an old installed deb, i mean it's not here on the brand new laptop that the problem is, like it's an new install of 3 days ago |
| 19:54.22 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: why are you configuring a kernel as root? |
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| 19:54.31 | CharminTheMoose | does it need to be? |
| 19:54.35 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: no |
| 19:54.40 | CharminTheMoose | oh |
| 19:54.48 | Seb | CharminTheMoose: only make install or its equivalent, as root |
| 19:54.52 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: nothing but the final installation of the kernel requires root privlage |
| 19:54.55 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: your .config is probably wrong or from a different kernel, try 'make oldconfig' instead |
| 19:54.55 | CharminTheMoose | but i also get that message when i do it as a normal user |
| 19:54.58 | Flusher | tralala: thanks for the therapy ;) |
| 19:54.58 | Seb | itchi: i'm not sure what might be the problem, sorry :\ |
| 19:55.04 | nvz | Seb: o.O |
| 19:55.12 | Seb | nvz: ? :) |
| 19:55.15 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: now there might be files in there that are not writable unless you are root.. better fix that |
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| 19:55.17 | CharminTheMoose | dang,same error |
| 19:55.19 | amee2k | Q: how many parallel ports does debian support? |
| 19:55.21 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: why arent you using fakeroot and kernel-package |
| 19:55.27 | itchi | Seb: But that to have give it a try and splend your time too ;-) |
| 19:55.29 | Seb | amee2k: this is a kernel thing, not a debian one |
| 19:55.38 | Seb | itchi: no problem |
| 19:55.42 | tralala | Flusher, any time |
| 19:55.55 | amee2k | yeah, but how many does the debian stock kernel support? |
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| 19:56.18 | valdyn | amee2k: how many do you need supported? |
| 19:56.26 | amee2k | at least five |
| 19:56.29 | Seb | amee2k: oh.Look in the /proc/config or something |
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| 19:56.40 | valdyn | amee2k: i doubt the limit is as low as 5 |
| 19:56.46 | Seb | amee2k: if not you can always edit menu.lst and pass parallel_ports=10 or something |
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| 19:57.03 | Seb | amee2k: note, this is *not* the right paramter name, I just made it up, but you get the idea |
| 19:57.04 | amee2k | good |
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| 19:57.13 | amee2k | oh, k |
| 19:57.15 | Feax | how can i disable the sounds of KDE when i click on the "-" of a windows or close ? |
| 19:57.29 | amee2k | thank you |
| 19:57.40 | Ronin | Feax: somewhere in kcontrol |
| 19:57.53 | tralala | Feax, use the force |
| 19:57.55 | nvz | gotta love being in a small college town where flipping cars and burning couches is as common as drinking beer |
| 19:58.02 | Seb | Feax: #debian-kde |
| 19:58.03 | Ronin | been a long time since ive been in it so thats as specific as i can be |
| 19:58.18 | Seb | nvz: where would this small piece of even be located ? |
| 19:58.19 | secher | LOL.. I've got an error message from apache2 about apache2.conf referring to another configuration file which refers to a third configuration file which refers to a section within a 4th configuration file wiht an error. OMG! |
| 19:58.24 | Seb | nvz: hrm s/even/heaven/ |
| 19:58.27 | Feax | tralala: the force ? |
| 19:58.42 | superjon | Whats the easiest way to match a string foo1 and print the 3 lines above it? |
| 19:58.57 | cydork | superjon, man grep |
| 19:58.57 | tralala | Feax, don't mind me - I'm applying my lame humor |
| 19:59.03 | Feax | okay tralala |
| 19:59.09 | amee2k | hm... looks like i don't have a /proc/config |
| 19:59.18 | superjon | cydork: I'm looking at the man page of egrep and man 7 regex but its not helping |
| 19:59.22 | nvz | Seb: Morgantown, West Virgina, home of WVU Mountaineers.. just as crazy as steeler fans but more condenced in a smaller area hence the increased destruction |
| 19:59.42 | Seb | nvz: hehehehe |
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| 19:59.58 | Seb | nvz: sounds charming :> |
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| 20:00.20 | robin_sz | evening girls ... |
| 20:00.57 | robin_sz | so this install of Etch ... on my inspiron slaptop ... boots into gdm, but corrupted display (wrong scan rate or soemthing) |
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| 20:01.01 | nvz | Seb: yeah I was back home in da burgh at the bar watching the 'eers game last week and they had live coverage on KDKA you could see the parties going on all the way down the street behind the reporter |
| 20:01.11 | tralala | dpkg, say robin_sz: hey, baby |
| 20:01.11 | dpkg | robin_sz: hey, baby |
| 20:01.22 | nvz | Seb: they love to cover WVU sports, always something interesting going on after the game here. |
| 20:01.30 | robin_sz | how can I get a terminal so I can config X11 in some sort of sane way? |
| 20:01.53 | petemc | robin_sz: ctl alt f1 |
| 20:01.56 | Seb | nvz: lucky you |
| 20:02.01 | robin_sz | oh .. and ctrl-alt-f1 just habgs the thing dead |
| 20:02.05 | Seb | nvz: sports around here sucks :\ |
| 20:02.16 | robin_sz | s/habgs/hangs/ |
| 20:02.21 | nvz | Seb: too bad I dont have a spare couch laying around |
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| 20:02.23 | petemc | robin_sz: can you ssh to the box? |
| 20:02.24 | cydork | superjon, then you are not looking at B |
| 20:02.33 | tralala | robin_sz, boot in sigle mode and stop disable gdm |
| 20:02.52 | CBG | Hi all, I'm a Mac user but I've used Ubuntu from a liveCD and also Debian and FC over SSH. I'm interested in installing Debian on my external hard-drive but have a few questions. 1. Debian will run on my PPC iBook from an external hard drive, right? 2. I use Apple's Airport Extreme Wireless Card. I know that linux drivers for this have been made, are they available in the latest linux kernel or would I need to install them manually some how? 3. Is it wise to |
| 20:02.58 | robin_sz | "stop disable gdm" .. |
| 20:03.16 | eeyore- | robin_sz: ssh in |
| 20:03.23 | tralala | stop^Wdisable gdm |
| 20:03.27 | superjon | cydork: I totally bypassed that and was reading the regexp stuff. Thanks for pointing out my ignorance. That made my job much easier |
| 20:03.28 | nvz | Seb: though I considered getting stickers for the rival college that comes to town and parking my car at the stadium with a camera in it so they can roll it over and I can sue |
| 20:03.32 | eeyore- | robin_sz: looks like you have buggy driver and/or using framebuffer console with said driver |
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| 20:03.45 | robin_sz | eeyore-: difficult until I ge t ndiswrapper installed for the wifi card |
| 20:03.49 | eeyore- | robin_sz: radeon driver? |
| 20:04.01 | robin_sz | yeah, ate radeon |
| 20:04.01 | Seb | nvz: :D |
| 20:04.04 | robin_sz | ati |
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| 20:04.22 | eeyore- | robin_sz: sounds like it :-) "radeon" (oss) driver + framebuffer console? |
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| 20:04.51 | robin_sz | eeyore-: difficult to tell .. not managed to log in yet ... this is first boot |
| 20:05.11 | tralala | using framebuffer makes my laptop crash when switching from X as well |
| 20:05.25 | tralala | neomagic video |
| 20:05.27 | nvz | Win or loose, they like to destroy stuff around here its not a matter of if, its more when and where |
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| 20:05.30 | eeyore- | robin_sz: easiest way to test, boot to runlevel 1, lsmod | grep fb, if you see "radeonfb", then delete the module from /lib/module/... (or move it outside of that directory) |
| 20:05.55 | eeyore- | robin_sz: basically, when in doubt, disable framebuffer console |
| 20:06.31 | robin_sz | sounds easy .. but difficult if you cant log in ... |
| 20:06.51 | eeyore- | robin_sz: what's difficult with booting to runlevel 1? |
| 20:07.01 | tralala | robin_sz, you will log in if you boot in single mode as suggested twice so far |
| 20:07.04 | robin_sz | well, not knowing how to do it? |
| 20:07.23 | tralala | robin_sz, add single to the grub kernel line |
| 20:07.29 | eeyore- | robin_sz: then *ask* that question, darn it! reboot, pass a single digit "1" to end of kernel boot commandline |
| 20:07.45 | robin_sz | right ... |
| 20:08.02 | robin_sz | I booted single user, but it came up in gdm again ... |
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| 20:08.07 | tralala | no way |
| 20:08.07 | eeyore- | robin_sz: not possible |
| 20:08.08 | nvz | not possible |
| 20:08.09 | cydork | why will anyone put ndiswrapper on cd 9 of etch ? :( |
| 20:08.15 | goodshit | anyone know of a good cvs portal out there? can someone name a few popular one.. thx |
| 20:08.24 | valdyn | cydork: it cant be in main |
| 20:08.31 | tralala | cydork, cuz there's no cd10? ;) |
| 20:08.41 | cydork | !info ndiswrapper etch |
| 20:08.45 | nvz | unless of course you went to runlevel 2 instead of supplying the password for single user |
| 20:08.57 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-source etch |
| 20:09.03 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.23-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 20:09.06 | robin_sz | tralala: i selected single user from the grub menu, it got part way through .. askd for root or ctrl-d, i pressed ctrl d ... got gdm |
| 20:09.25 | cydork | why is it not in main? :P |
| 20:09.33 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: repeat after me: i will give the root-password if asked. |
| 20:09.34 | eeyore- | robin_sz: dude, and that's not obvious from the prompt? |
| 20:09.34 | tralala | robin_sz, now do it again and don't press ctrl-d - type the root's password instead |
| 20:09.53 | valdyn | cydork: seems to be in main, i dont know though how this is possible since it does depend on non-free drivers |
| 20:10.37 | tralala | there was a big flamewar about where ndiswrapper belongs |
| 20:10.37 | eeyore- | ndiswrapper isn't a cure all ... it still doesn't like my wifi card (much) |
| 20:10.49 | cydork | valdyn, ya but those dont come with debian. so it's not a problem i guess. i think it should be on netinstall :P |
| 20:11.02 | eeyore- | i'll just have to bite the bullet and buy a decent mini-pci card ... |
| 20:11.08 | tralala | the supportes of "main" were saying that there is a free driver that ndiswrapper can use :) |
| 20:11.12 | valdyn | people should invest those 10$ for a decent nic |
| 20:11.34 | eeyore- | valdyn: it's not the money, it's the *pain* of locating the specific chipset |
| 20:11.41 | eeyore- | valdyn: especially in mini-pci form factor! |
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| 20:12.26 | tralala | especially in any factor! |
| 20:12.30 | robin_sz | ok, so lsmod | grep fb revealealed nothing .. what next? |
| 20:12.31 | eeyore- | go into cdw, or microcenter, and ask for mini-pci and they look at you like you're from another planet. ok, so online buying the only way :-) |
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| 20:12.57 | cydork | i am seriously thinkin of buying one mini-pci ipw2000 :( |
| 20:13.09 | eeyore- | robin_sz: make sure you use the fglrx driver, then? |
| 20:13.13 | cydork | s/2000/2200/ |
| 20:13.20 | valdyn | maybe there's mini-pci rt2x00 |
| 20:13.24 | valdyn | i dont know... |
| 20:13.29 | robin_sz | eeyore-: configured where exactly? |
| 20:13.53 | tralala | robin_sz, disable gdm, boot normaly |
| 20:14.16 | eeyore- | robin_sz: two places, first you have to install the debian package (no clue what the name is), and second place is /etc/X11/xorg.conf <- set the driver to "fglrx" here |
| 20:14.32 | eeyore- | let me see what the debian package name is |
| 20:14.49 | tralala | !ati drivers |
| 20:14.49 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 20:15.04 | tralala | hmm, that's old |
| 20:16.03 | enouf | eeyore-: online is the only way to shop .. see newegg.com, monarchcomputers, etc ... resellerratings.com if an oddball distributor you've never heard of |
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| 20:16.35 | eeyore- | the debian package name is just "fglrx-driver" |
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| 20:17.54 | eeyore- | maybe i should have just copied this 80GB file over nfs instead of scp it :-p |
| 20:18.09 | _fjh_ | Hi, I search for a package which puts /etc under revision control. I think I saw it once, but cannot find it anymore. |
| 20:18.16 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: netcat is faster then both .... |
| 20:19.39 | Kerr | if i wanna boot from hdb instead of hda, (i need to unplug hda which has the boot record as it's dying) do i sudo grub-install /dev/hdb then sudo update-grub ? I've not tried this before, and don't want to screw up. |
| 20:20.02 | radical | tralala, in short: configure kernel without agpgart and dri, build kernel, alien -d, dpkg --force-overwrite, cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod, sh make.sh, cd .., sh make_install.sh, edit xorg.conf/XFREE86Config-4 use "fglrx" as driver, startx, xterm, glxinfo, if no accel available, try newer driver, if that fails, try older kernel. |
| 20:20.08 | robin_sz | hmm section Device, Driver "ati" |
| 20:20.18 | valdyn | Kerr: this is a raid-0 setup? |
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| 20:20.49 | robin_sz | turning off DRI didnt help ... has done in the past :( |
| 20:20.52 | valdyn | Kerr: update-grub shouldnt have a thing to do with tihs |
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| 20:21.29 | Kerr | valdyn: It's not any type of raid |
| 20:21.36 | tralala | radical, erm... thanks (I guess) |
| 20:22.06 | valdyn | Kerr: your /boot/grub/menu.lst has references to the disk, fix those references, or just install grub on /dev/hdb and replug hdb to hda |
| 20:22.42 | valdyn | Kerr: that assumes that hdb has a complete debian install on it, you told us nothing about that |
| 20:22.58 | radical | tralala: it works most of the time, but, hmmm, u see, i bought a nvidia card, and not for the performance. if you catch my drift ;) |
| 20:23.05 | krazykit | ok, so i need to figure out why i get "no route to host" on wireless, but not on wired... |
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| 20:24.18 | eeyore- | robin_sz: driver should be "fglrx" |
| 20:24.45 | robin_sz | ok, but I'll need to get network support working first .. |
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| 20:25.03 | eeyore- | do you need special tools to use kernel's cifs filesystem? |
| 20:25.06 | robin_sz | setting horizsync and verticalrefesh to sane vales has brought up a useable display |
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| 20:25.58 | eeyore- | robin_sz: read /var/log/X*log to see what the driver has detected for those values, through ddc |
| 20:26.07 | eeyore- | robin_sz: that's what i do to get custom modes |
| 20:26.19 | eeyore- | the modelines values will be in that file as well |
| 20:27.10 | robin_sz | right |
| 20:27.18 | CharminTheMoose | i recently did an nmap scan on my internal network address and I found something called entrustmanager on port 709.have i been haxored? |
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| 20:29.42 | GooE | i am trying to do a network PXE installation , it loads pxelinux.0 the boot: prompt appears and then it reads , loading vmlinuz.. , then loading initrd.img..........and then the PC reboots?! what's wrong |
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| 20:31.39 | tralala | GooE, the kernel arch perhaps |
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| 20:32.40 | ShadeT | Is there a way to have inetd log to a file? |
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| 20:33.19 | Growly | i have a story |
| 20:33.32 | Growly | i'll skip to the middle bit |
| 20:33.51 | Growly | one of the drives in my raid5 array keeps giving IO errors, so i take it out |
| 20:34.23 | Growly | then i reboot the machine (three of four drives left, should still be good), and all of a sudden I can't mount the array because no superblock exists or some such. |
| 20:34.29 | Growly | help! please! |
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| 20:35.08 | tu_petes | hy anybody say how to setup xchat with sound notification |
| 20:35.11 | Kerr | valdyn: hdb is my debian install, hda was my old one, now just a media drive. It still holds the boot records though. |
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| 20:35.44 | disasm | Growly: don't you need to put a new drive in and rebuild the array using the firmware on your controller? |
| 20:35.53 | tu_petes | i have play program installed |
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| 20:37.39 | Growly | oh right, i'm running software raid5 on debian |
| 20:37.39 | Growly | my bad. |
| 20:37.49 | Growly | it runs normally with three of four drives in (raid 5), but now mdadm wont activate it because it can't find some superblock |
| 20:37.56 | Growly | there should be a filesystem there. |
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| 20:38.36 | Growly | or do i have to get a new drive and rebuild completely before it will work again? wasn't necessary last time... |
| 20:40.06 | krazykit | when connecting to wireless, i get an error, "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable", but I still get an IP. I can't connect to anything that's not localhost. i'm using a broadcom card with ndiswrapper, but the same configuration works in Windows with the same wireless. google has been failing me :-/ |
| 20:40.43 | GooE | how do i list the files of an installed packaged? |
| 20:42.13 | cydork | GooE, dpkg -L <package name> |
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| 20:42.32 | BluesKaj | ls /var/cache/apt/archives/filename*.deb |
| 20:42.41 | dondelelcaro | krazykit: stop using ndiswrapper, and use the bcm43xx driver |
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| 20:43.39 | fasta | I can print locally on computer A using Cups, I added the ipp address of the printer connected to computer A in computer B, but I get this: "Missing device URI on command-line and no DEVICE_URI environment variable!" |
| 20:43.47 | krazykit | dondelelcaro: no, it doesn't work. i have a bcm4318 card, which isn't supported yet. |
| 20:43.55 | fasta | I configured it via the web-interface. |
| 20:44.13 | fasta | "it" being computer B |
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| 20:48.13 | mackss | if apache/apache2 were installed then /var/www/ would exist right? |
| 20:48.35 | fasta | Ok, now, I get that the Network host named "A" is busy... retrying in 30 seconds... |
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| 20:48.45 | hrw | hi |
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| 20:49.10 | fasta | There's almost no activity on Computer A, or the network... |
| 20:49.29 | hrw | does someone has netinstall cd with etch available? I cant use sarge netinstall because machine which I install on lack cd |
| 20:49.49 | fasta | I am starting to think Cups was created by a MS sponsored company such that it makes printing on Linux a nightmare. |
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| 20:52.24 | CharminTheMoose | why?fasta? |
| 20:53.02 | victorh | Hi, I-m planning to install debian sarge 3.1 r3 amd64 in my system, any advice before proceeding_ |
| 20:53.13 | abrotman | victorh: get beer |
| 20:53.18 | buu | Get a hooker. |
| 20:53.19 | zinx | lots of beer |
| 20:53.25 | ohad | hi, does anyone know a good hosting for mass storage? looking for a disaster dump site |
| 20:53.46 | zinx | ohad: there are online backup services |
| 20:53.52 | hrw | victorh: try to grab etch install cd and install it. I had no problem week ago. |
| 20:54.01 | hrw | victorh: sarge/amd64 is unofficial only |
| 20:54.02 | victorh | abrotman: That's cool |
| 20:54.15 | ohad | zinx, how big? i need something that is about 4 tera if not more |
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| 20:54.39 | zinx | ohad: i'm pretty sure they're scale to fit your needs |
| 20:54.42 | zinx | erh, they'll |
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| 20:55.00 | zinx | though with that much, you'd probably be better off buying some large media and keeping it in another building |
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| 20:55.13 | victorh | hrw: will I have any problems with repositorie? |
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| 20:55.31 | ohad | zinx, any specific one in mind? |
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| 20:55.38 | Flimzy | What's the trick to making evil flash work in mozilla? I've installed all of the plugins I can find, including the non-free one... but flash content still doesn't work in firefox. |
| 20:55.40 | hrw | victorh: for sarge? rather yes. read debian amd64 pages |
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| 20:56.00 | zinx | ohad: nope |
| 20:56.04 | abrotman | did you put the plugin in the plugins dir ? |
| 20:56.10 | ohad | zinx, heh.. ok |
| 20:56.11 | ohad | thx |
| 20:56.29 | victorh | hrw: If I want to upgrade to sid? |
| 20:56.31 | hrw | victorh: I use sid as did before on i386 |
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| 20:56.36 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 20:56.36 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 20:56.54 | CharminTheMoose | isn't that incorrect? |
| 20:56.59 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman |
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| 20:57.15 | CharminTheMoose | shouldn't it say to Use stable or unstable? |
| 20:57.20 | abrotman | no |
| 20:57.24 | abrotman | it is correct |
| 20:57.29 | CharminTheMoose | how so? |
| 20:57.34 | CharminTheMoose | 'tis contradictory imo |
| 20:57.58 | victorh | I use in a normal basis sid but in a i386 system |
| 20:58.29 | enouf | Growly: have you read usr/share/doc/mdadm/rootraiddoc.97.html ? |
| 20:58.52 | fasta | CharminTheMoose: because I don't see myself as an incompetent user, and would guess that doing this task is supposed to be easy. |
| 20:59.20 | BluesKaj | Flimzy , mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins...put the libflashplayer.so file in there and FF flash content should work |
| 20:59.32 | fasta | CharminTheMoose: the error message I get is completely non-sensical. |
| 20:59.56 | CharminTheMoose | which is? |
| 21:00.01 | fasta | CharminTheMoose: I can send 100Mbs over the network right now, while the program is telling me that the network is busy. |
| 21:00.06 | Flimzy | BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll give that a shot. |
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| 21:00.28 | fasta | I have a similar experience as: http://catb.org/esr/writings/cups-horror.html |
| 21:01.08 | victorh | ok then, I'll try to install it, hope things go well :-) |
| 21:01.30 | hrw | victorh: kde or gnome? |
| 21:01.33 | enouf | CUPS unfortuantely is one of those pesky pkg types that screws up the versioning system (of itself; ie; doesn't change versions even though many items have been changed/altered) , so I hear |
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| 21:02.05 | Flimzy | BluesKaj: I guess having it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins isn't good enough? |
| 21:02.15 | victorh | hrw: I use normally gnome |
| 21:02.34 | BluesKaj | yeah, cups usually has to uninstalled and reinstalled after upgrades |
| 21:02.57 | hrw | victorh: kde 3.5.5dfsg-1 packages had a problem - I had to install older ones and upgrade to get working kde |
| 21:03.17 | hrw | BluesKaj: or has to have all printers re-enabled |
| 21:03.31 | victorh | hrw: thanks for the hint |
| 21:03.43 | itchi | Seb: Heh, i have fixed the trouble. Looks like the ~/.Xauthority was screwed. Have move that file and create an blank one. And it's solved now :-) :-) |
| 21:03.52 | victorh | I'll stay away from kde |
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| 21:04.09 | hrw | victorh: it costed me two days, but as a result kde packagers got infos needed to fix it |
| 21:04.40 | BluesKaj | no Flimzy, it works with FF in the seperate mozilla plugns file, so FF not pointing to the usr/lib ...that's what ppl with more knowledge than i have told me to do , and it works |
| 21:04.53 | Seb | itchi: ah cool |
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| 21:05.02 | p3rti | hi.. i'm looking for Managing Job Software.. someone know about one? if it's on php better.. |
| 21:05.04 | mackss | could someone help me add 2 IPs to my box please? |
| 21:05.08 | victorh | hrw: lot of time, but I guess this is what I like from Debian, you can contribute to make it better |
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| 21:05.34 | itchi | Seb: Yeah, man, realy great; i had realy need for it ;-) |
| 21:05.36 | hrw | victorh: not whole two days hopefully ;) I was at work, spent some time on other stuff etc |
| 21:05.39 | Flimzy | BluesKaj: Well that magically works. Thanks! |
| 21:05.45 | victorh | and tha's one reason to install it in an x86-64 |
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| 21:05.58 | BluesKaj | cool Flimzy YW :) |
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| 21:06.20 | p3rti | some like.. joomla software |
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| 21:07.02 | victorh | I finished to burn the dvds, time of action |
| 21:07.21 | victorh | thaks for the advices |
| 21:07.45 | enouf | so anyway ; wondering what the purposes/uses could be ... of so-called "reinventing /usr/bin/yes" .. after reading this article file:///usr/share/doc/lg/issue74/zhaoway.html concerning *netcat*, (turning it into "yescat") .. or if 'lg' isn't installed see http://linuxgazette.net/issue74/zhaoway.html |
| 21:07.46 | victorh | see you soon *hopefully in Debian" |
| 21:07.47 | mackss | can someone please help me bind a new IP to my server? |
| 21:07.55 | hrw | victorh: good luck |
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| 21:08.06 | jerome | any link to get some info about firefox2 in sid ? |
| 21:08.20 | jerome | not to mention iceweasel |
| 21:08.31 | mackss | I need someone to hold my hand through it....I am really scared of making a mistake and having the box be inaccessible |
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| 21:09.02 | enouf | jerome: I gear it's in experimental .. when moved to sid , it'll be called iceweasel |
| 21:09.10 | enouf | s/gear/hear |
| 21:09.12 | pumpkin0 | mackss: open the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:09.19 | jerome | enouf: 'k |
| 21:09.21 | mackss | pumpkin, i have it open |
| 21:09.23 | dserban | I'm implementing a 32 bit chroot on a server, and everything's good, though I'm running into one minor snag... |
| 21:09.30 | enouf | jerome: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 21:09.32 | hrw | enouf: even experimental has 2.0beta2 and only i386 ;( |
| 21:09.49 | dserban | I have mounted /etc/passwd and /etc/group and /etc/shadow to the chroot (bind) to share the same files. |
| 21:09.51 | pumpkin0 | mackss: upload it somewhere, post the link here (Mask the IP-addresses) |
| 21:09.51 | enouf | hrw: wouldn't know ..don't use it :-p |
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| 21:10.01 | mackss | pastebin ok? |
| 21:10.11 | pumpkin0 | mackss: sure. |
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| 21:10.15 | robin_sz | ooh, shiny new Etch laptop! |
| 21:10.16 | jerome | not ready for a while then |
| 21:10.22 | dserban | This doesn't seem to be working... I cannot hard link due to the fact that the chroot resides on an md array. |
| 21:10.24 | enouf | hrw: which arch are you seeking ? |
| 21:10.31 | dserban | that's not part of the root filesystem. |
| 21:10.41 | dserban | err I hit enter too much in all that :( |
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| 21:11.10 | mackss | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/821387 |
| 21:11.10 | hrw | enouf: amd64 for firefox^Wiceweasel and i386 for etch netinstall cd |
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| 21:11.54 | pumpkin0 | mackss: that box does not have DNS, it that right ? |
| 21:12.10 | enouf | hrw: nice, ok .. anyway you can help the effort? maybe bug reports, or even better developement? |
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| 21:12.39 | kml | when should mdadm -A /dev/md0 be use? |
| 21:12.43 | BluesKaj | > /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1_i386.deb |
| 21:12.44 | BluesKaj | > /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu4_i386.deb |
| 21:12.45 | hrw | enouf: I have lot of stuff to do in OpenEmbedded project |
| 21:13.02 | mackss | pumpkin0, i guess not...but i swear i did an nslookup and it worked ok |
| 21:13.14 | enouf | hrw: ok .. understood ..and thanks ;-) |
| 21:13.17 | BluesKaj | why do i have 2 sambas? |
| 21:13.21 | pumpkin0 | mackss: try "ping www.gmx.com". Does it work ? |
| 21:13.30 | mackss | pumpkin0, yes it works |
| 21:13.36 | hrw | BluesKaj: installed first, upgraded to second |
| 21:13.43 | hrw | BluesKaj: and did not cleaned archives |
| 21:13.53 | BluesKaj | so there's no conflict ? |
| 21:14.01 | hrw | no |
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| 21:14.12 | BluesKaj | should I clean ? |
| 21:14.19 | pumpkin0 | mackss: search for the real file behind /etc/resolv.conf (itīs usually a link) and post it. |
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| 21:14.35 | hrw | BluesKaj: 'apt-get clean' will do it |
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| 21:14.58 | enouf | BluesKaj: /msg apt-get clean |
| 21:15.02 | pumpkin0 | BluesKaj: clean will recover some space for you. (a lot if that box is well used) |
| 21:15.18 | enouf | I mean /msg dpkg apt-get clean |
| 21:15.37 | mackss | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/821390 |
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| 21:15.56 | mackss | pumpkin0, that is resolve.conf |
| 21:16.27 | pumpkin0 | mackss: OK... now which IP do you want it to have ? It that IP in a different subnet ? |
| 21:16.48 | mackss | I would like to add 3 IPs to the server |
| 21:17.40 | mackss | x.x.x.83 x.x.x.84 |
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| 21:18.07 | vlt | Hello. I'm using Debian as a NAT router for my ADSL line (ppp0). NAT is done by `iptables -I POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE`, so masquerading should be applied to all packets leaving ppp0. Why are some (about 30 of 30M) packets still sent from a 192.168.0.0/16 IP when leaving ppp0? |
| 21:18.08 | mackss | pumpkin0, on a side not why does it say "search whp.com" at the top of resolve...that is women's health partnership website lol |
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| 21:18.33 | niles | ps el; should reveal any zombies under the stat header, correct? |
| 21:18.43 | pumpkin0 | mackss: uhm why do you want 4 IPs on that box ? |
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| 21:19.02 | pumpkin0 | mackss: the parser will ignore it ... hopefully. |
| 21:19.11 | mackss | pumpkin0, wait i opened the wrong resolve.conf |
| 21:19.30 | rgsteele_ | So, what exactly is init timeout? ...I assume it just means that the system will halt if every init script for the given runlevel hasn't executed within a certain time paramter? |
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| 21:19.54 | jovans | where can i found a list what packages are curently yet in debian unstable? |
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| 21:20.20 | mackss | pumpkin0, here is the proper resolve.conf http://pastebin.com/821396 sorry about that before. I had 2 shells open |
| 21:20.30 | mastroDani | i all.. how can i use the "oldconfig" command with the "debian way" way to compile the kernel (make-kpkg) |
| 21:20.32 | mastroDani | ? |
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| 21:22.33 | hrw | mastroDani: cd kernel;make oldconfig;make-kpkg? |
| 21:22.48 | jovans | hm |
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| 21:23.34 | mackss | pumpkin0, you still there? |
| 21:23.45 | enouf | rgsteele_home: don't know about init timeout .. seems plausible .. I recall you asking about more update-rc.d info an stopping reliance upon rcconf .. /msg dpkg for <rcconf> <update-rc.d> <runlevel{s}> ..etc |
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| 21:23.49 | pumpkin0 | mackss: that is still OK. can you post the output of "route". (yes, but there are mails coming in ..) |
| 21:24.15 | mackss | pumpkin0, route? do i just type that in a shell? |
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| 21:24.35 | robin_sz | so .. ndiswrapper on Etch ... installed ndiswrapper-source, done a dpkg-buildpackage and I get a " error: cannot read control file debian/control: No such file or directory" |
| 21:24.40 | enouf | rgsteele_home: sysv-rc-conf is like rcconf, but separates scripts into runlevels.. |
| 21:24.42 | pumpkin0 | mackss: as root in a shell. I want to know if sb did something funny to the routing ... |
| 21:24.59 | rgsteele_ | enouf: thanka |
| 21:25.11 | enouf | np :-) |
| 21:25.18 | robin_sz | do I need some form or kernel source to build the ndiswrapper module? |
| 21:25.32 | mastroDani | hrw, i've tried mak oldconfig && make-kpkg but it say that the revision number is not correct and stop |
| 21:25.42 | zinx | robin_sz: you need the kernel header package for your running kernel |
| 21:25.54 | robin_sz | ta |
| 21:25.55 | zinx | robin_sz: module-assistant should take care of that for you |
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| 21:26.05 | mackss | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/821404 |
| 21:26.21 | robin_sz | bah |
| 21:26.55 | pumpkin0 | mackss: that looks sane. This: http://pastebin.com/821398 will add 1 IP (x.x.x.83). |
| 21:27.15 | hrw | mastroDani: then edit debian/changelog debian/control |
| 21:27.18 | robin_sz | so ... Etch ... apt-cache search kernel-headers doesnt reveal a set of kernel headers for the kernel it came with :( |
| 21:27.48 | robin_sz | it installed 2.6.12 by defualt |
| 21:28.18 | pumpkin0 | mackss: use "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to bring up the new settings. |
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| 21:28.54 | k-man | how can i make firefox remember which printer and which page size to use? |
| 21:29.33 | robin_sz | nope ... Etch installed kernel 2.6.16-2-686 ... and I can only see headers for 2.4.27 ??? |
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| 21:30.10 | g3brown | I have Sarge setup as a file server on a small LAN. I would like to configure MTA (exim4) to send mail though my ISP's SMTP server, so applications like my backup software can send email notices out. I've tried 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' but I must not be entering one of the values correct. Anyone know of a HOWTO on this? |
| 21:30.12 | mastroDani | hrw, ok.. next time i will do it (but i think this is not a *solution*) |
| 21:30.16 | Feax- | how can i config proftpd to when a user connects that go to /home/theuser, and not to /, howtodo ? |
| 21:30.27 | mastroDani | hrw, better if there is a command like make-kpkg oldconfig |
| 21:30.44 | mastroDani | hrw, sorry for my english.. hope you understanded me anyway |
| 21:30.46 | biopyte | hi. what was the name of that fancy little X app that shows the layout of your keyboard? |
| 21:30.46 | mastroDani | :) |
| 21:30.48 | mackss | pumpkin0, does this look ok? I added another one too http://pastebin.com/821413 |
| 21:30.56 | enouf | apt-cache search -n *headers | grep 2.6.16 robin_sz: if you need headers for your kernel .. |
| 21:30.58 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.58 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:31.09 | hrw | mastroDani: make-kpkg --help can be interesting |
| 21:31.14 | enouf | whoops .. take away the * robin_sz |
| 21:31.40 | enouf | robin_sz: did you install build-essential? |
| 21:31.49 | mastroDani | hrw, lol! RTFM |
| 21:31.55 | pumpkin0 | mackss: yes. |
| 21:32.34 | mackss | ok pumpkin0 I am going to /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:32.52 | biopyte | xkeycaps. thank you. ;) |
| 21:32.53 | mackss | don't i need to iface up or something? |
| 21:32.56 | Feax- | how can i config proftpd to when a user connects that go to /home/theuser, and not to /, howtodo ? |
| 21:33.37 | robin_sz | enouf, no, I didnt install build-essential. should I? |
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| 21:34.13 | mackss | pumpkin0, Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. |
| 21:34.13 | mackss | Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 21:34.13 | mackss | done. |
| 21:34.42 | mastroDani | hrw, sorry not very used with the debian way.. but didn't find something useful for the oldconfig in make-kpkg --help (oldconfig is referrend in a different contest...) |
| 21:34.52 | action09 | is it safe, smart for a desktop station (home) to use testing ? or i --have-- to use stable ? please |
| 21:35.18 | pumpkin0 | action09: itīs OK to use testing. |
| 21:35.28 | dendrite | action09: Most people would say yes, it's a good home desktop platform. |
| 21:35.35 | action09 | ok thx |
| 21:35.35 | zinx | !iyhta |
| 21:35.57 | dendrite | action09: Install apt-listbugs if you want a bit more stability. |
| 21:36.01 | robin_sz | doh! ... linux-headers NOT kernel-headers. |
| 21:36.01 | zinx | that didn't work as well as planned |
| 21:36.14 | zinx | robin_sz: just use module-assistant :/ |
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| 21:36.19 | deconvolution | hello, how can I check all the current network connections of all users, e.g. list all the remote hosts my computer is connecting? |
| 21:36.27 | zinx | robin_sz: it pulls everything you need, builds, and installs it if you ask it |
| 21:36.38 | hrw | mastroDani: I do all kernel work (patching, configuring) in normal way and only building+packaging via debian way |
| 21:36.40 | enouf | robin_sz: listen to zinx |
| 21:36.42 | pumpkin0 | deconvolution: netstat ? |
| 21:36.51 | icyfire | Is ODBC not built into QT4 by default (debian/etch)? |
| 21:36.56 | mackss | pumpkin0, I did the networking restart. How do i know if the IPs are working properly? |
| 21:37.21 | hrw | reboot time |
| 21:37.26 | zinx | robin_sz: just apt-get install module-assistant, then "m-a a-i ndiswrapper".. that's shorthand for "module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper" in case you want to type the whole thing out (but the shorthand works too!) |
| 21:37.27 | pumpkin0 | mackss: test them by pinging or connecting to any services the box is running. |
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| 21:37.44 | bilss_ | hi |
| 21:37.50 | robin_sz | zinx, nice try .. but no. fails |
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| 21:38.04 | Firefishe | ndiswrapper is a pita |
| 21:38.05 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 21:38.19 | enouf | robin_sz: explicit error messages |
| 21:38.20 | robin_sz | "bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel verison could not be found" |
| 21:38.28 | mastroDani | hrw, thank i think i understanded.. make-kpkg call make oldconfig automatically, but you need to say it that the revision version is changed :) |
| 21:38.31 | Firefishe | source not installed? |
| 21:38.46 | robin_sz | no need |
| 21:38.55 | bilss_ | will someone please explain my /etc/inetd.conf file if i pastebin it? |
| 21:39.03 | zinx | robin_sz: you using a custom kernel? |
| 21:39.10 | mackss | pumpkin0, i can't ssh to them :( |
| 21:39.18 | BluesKaj | ok gents, I'm wondering what the benefits are of running Debian over Kubuntu Edgy ? |
| 21:39.29 | mastroDani | hrw, or may be if i not specify a different revision it add "1" by default.. in any way.. thanks for the attention and your replies |
| 21:39.37 | dendrite | bilss_: Don't ask to ask, just ask your question, pastebin, or whatever. |
| 21:39.39 | robin_sz | zinx, nope, default etch 2.6.16-2, less than an hour old |
| 21:39.42 | pumpkin0 | mackss: Well... that depends on the config of sshd. Does the old IP still work ? |
| 21:39.42 | deconvolution | pumpkin0: how can I keep monitoring such connection (something like top command) |
| 21:39.48 | zinx | robin_sz: weird, it should find the headers for that |
| 21:39.51 | enouf | module-assistant |
| 21:39.53 | robin_sz | ah, modulae-assistant prepare |
| 21:39.54 | mackss | pumpkin0, yes it works |
| 21:39.55 | vin` | deconvolution: try jnettop |
| 21:40.00 | enouf | !module-assistant |
| 21:40.00 | dpkg | module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:40.03 | bilss_ | dendrite: ok thanks |
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| 21:40.13 | pumpkin0 | deconvolution: watch -n 2 netstat -whateveroptionsYouWant |
| 21:40.29 | mackss | pumpkin0, i did it once before a long time ago and never touched sshd config files |
| 21:40.34 | deconvolution | pumpkin0: thanks very much ! |
| 21:40.51 | mackss | pumpkin0, the time before everything was the same except i had to do some like iface update or something |
| 21:40.56 | pumpkin0 | pumpkin0: post the output of "ifconfig" (run on consol as root) |
| 21:41.02 | mackss | it updated the interface or something |
| 21:41.23 | mackss | pumpkin0, you want me to post output of ifconfig? |
| 21:41.52 | pumpkin0 | mackss: run "ifconfig". that will output a lot of information about your current network. |
| 21:42.06 | bilss_ | http://pastebin.ca/245332 |
| 21:42.18 | BluesKaj | pumpkin0, , I'm wondering what the benefits are of running Debian over Kubuntu Edgy ?... a Debian user says I'm ready to try it now that i've got mostly everything working in Edgy |
| 21:42.43 | robin_sz | less broken packages by default? |
| 21:42.55 | pumpkin0 | BluesKaj: debian is more stable/server-like. ubunut is more fancy-eye-candy ... |
| 21:43.11 | Firefishe | I'm running debian 3.1 sarge stable with a 2.6.8 series kernel. I want my normal user to be able to access, from the x desktop (kde in my case), my mounted windows partition. I want, especially, xmms and the like to be able to freely access my windows partition. |
| 21:43.17 | enouf | BluesKaj: perhaps /msg dpkg policy |
| 21:43.19 | Firefishe | NTFS on the win partition |
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| 21:43.49 | pumpkin0 | Firefishe: itīs a option in fstab, man fstab => search for "users" |
| 21:43.51 | enouf | !tell Firefishe about ntfs |
| 21:43.52 | BluesKaj | pumpkin0, is the install procedure more difficult ? |
| 21:43.58 | bilss_ | http://pastebin.ca/245332 what does the line 46 in the pastebin refer to? |
| 21:44.02 | pumpkin0 | BluesKaj: not really... |
| 21:44.31 | mackss | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/821425 |
| 21:44.42 | Firefishe | thanks pumpkin0, enouf |
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| 21:45.01 | BluesKaj | what about hardware recognition ? |
| 21:45.28 | pumpkin0 | mackss: did you run the "/etc/init.d/networking restart" as root ? |
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| 21:45.43 | mackss | pumpkin0, lemme do it again but i thought so |
| 21:45.48 | pumpkin0 | BluesKaj: more or less the same (ubunut copied that bit from debian ...) |
| 21:45.53 | enouf | :-) Firefishe you can use " /msg dpkg <keyword> " directly in your irc client for more info about the things dpkg has told you |
| 21:46.02 | mackss | pumpkin0, yes i ran it as root |
| 21:46.11 | bilss_ | do not all shout at once |
| 21:46.52 | pumpkin0 | mackss: and it does not change the output of ifconfig ? I guess you didnīt save the interfaces-file... |
| 21:46.57 | dendrite | bilss_: is /var/lib/nymserv/nymserver.pl part of a package? |
| 21:47.42 | mackss | pumpkin0, your right...saved now however, got this |
| 21:47.43 | mackss | Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 21:47.43 | mackss | Ignoring unknown interface eth0:1=eth0:1. |
| 21:47.43 | mackss | done. |
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| 21:47.55 | mackss | shit i forgot about 4 lines :-/ |
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| 21:48.00 | mackss | sorry #debian |
| 21:48.26 | bilss_ | yes its a script , now what i need to know is does any other part of the file refer to this line that you are aware of |
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| 21:48.58 | bilss_ | this line enables me the finger certain files in the script |
| 21:49.03 | pumpkin0 | mackss: and the output of ifconfig did not change ? |
| 21:49.41 | mackss | pumpkin0, it changed however doesn't show 0:1, http://pastebin.com/821428 |
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| 21:50.01 | fasta | Is there another printing mechanism besides CUPS s.t. I can print over the network? |
| 21:50.13 | penguin | I think I have a bad mirror, how to fix that? |
| 21:50.14 | bilss_ | dendrite: yes its a script , now what i need to know is does any other part of the file refer to this line that you are aware of? this line enables me the finger (use the finger command) certain files in the script |
| 21:50.32 | pickcoder | fasta: do you mean spooler? |
| 21:50.59 | pumpkin0 | mackss: one step at a time: does the 2. IP work ? |
| 21:51.02 | fasta | pickcoder: I just mean a system that Just Works to get printing working. Cups is a mess. |
| 21:51.10 | pickcoder | lprng |
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| 21:51.36 | pumpkin0 | fasta: hint: cups is the most usefull system ... |
| 21:51.52 | pickcoder | lprng doesn't convert everything into postfix before processing it |
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| 21:52.07 | fasta | postfix? |
| 21:52.08 | robin_sz | w00t ... ndiswrapper built and installed, thanks enouf and zinx |
| 21:52.11 | fasta | !postfix |
| 21:52.11 | dpkg | [postfix] a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 21:52.11 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: postscript, not postfix |
| 21:52.12 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 21:52.18 | fasta | right |
| 21:52.19 | pickcoder | it's friday |
| 21:52.25 | BluesKaj | what distro is recomended for AMD64 pc's ? |
| 21:52.29 | pickcoder | and I get to work tomorrow |
| 21:52.31 | pumpkin0 | BLarg: testing. |
| 21:52.39 | pickcoder | at this rate I won't be worth much |
| 21:52.41 | pumpkin0 | BluesKaj: ^^^ testing |
| 21:52.42 | mackss | pumpkin0, .83 doesn't work over ssh |
| 21:52.47 | Fenix_NBK_ | hi all ! |
| 21:52.55 | fasta | pumpkin0: are you a Cups expert? |
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| 21:53.02 | Fenix_NBK_ | sorry for the probably stupid question... |
| 21:53.05 | pumpkin0 | mackss: does "netstat -tnlp" show the sshd-process ? |
| 21:53.17 | mackss | shit neither does .82... my regular ip doesn't work over ssh |
| 21:53.22 | mackss | but i am still connected at the moment |
| 21:53.27 | mackss | we need to fix this :-/ |
| 21:53.28 | Fenix_NBK_ | but I tried to install Debian 3.1 and it refuses to recognize my USB keyboard... |
| 21:53.28 | pumpkin0 | fasta: nope, but i tried the other ways ... and cups was the best was. |
| 21:53.44 | mackss | wait 82 is respoding now..just dropping packets |
| 21:53.45 | enouf | robin_sz: :-) |
| 21:53.46 | Fenix_NBK_ | which renders OS useless... any workarounds? |
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| 21:54.08 | fasta | pumpkin0: After a lot of effort I was able to have it work locally, but via the network I get strange errors. |
| 21:54.21 | mackss | pumpkin0, yes it shows sshd |
| 21:54.27 | fasta | pumpkin0: "Network busy", while it isn't. |
| 21:54.38 | mackss | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 2000/sshd |
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| 21:55.14 | pumpkin0 | mackss: tcp6 ? IPv6-host ? |
| 21:55.27 | mackss | pumpkin0, i am not sure |
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| 21:55.47 | pickcoder | Fenix_NBK_: is legacy USB enabled in BIOS? |
| 21:56.01 | pumpkin0 | mackss: is that a real PC or a virtual thing ... ? |
| 21:56.19 | mackss | pumpkin0, it's my own server.. i have root on the box. I lease it |
| 21:56.45 | pumpkin0 | fasta: yes, i know that error too and i donīt like it ... |
| 21:56.52 | hrw | cu |
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| 21:57.00 | pumpkin0 | mackss: which kernel does it run ? |
| 21:57.13 | enouf | Fenix_NBK_: even though it's a keyboard --> /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 21:57.18 | fasta | pumpkin0: but do you know what the error really means and how it can be solved? |
| 21:57.21 | mackss | pumpkin0, Linux debian 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:57.28 | pumpkin0 | mackss: and revert to the old config until things become clear... |
| 21:57.34 | pumpkin0 | fasta: no idea. |
| 21:57.42 | mackss | which old config? |
| 21:57.45 | mackss | the interfaces? |
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| 21:58.09 | fasta | pumpkin0: ok, do you happen to know how I can locally print a file via the command line? |
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| 21:58.30 | pumpkin0 | mackss: yes, the /etc/.../interfaces-file. |
| 21:58.41 | Firefishe | Is there any advantage to switching to a 2.6.17 series kernel over a 2.6.8 series one? |
| 21:58.44 | pumpkin0 | fasta: depends on the filetype. |
| 21:58.52 | fasta | pumpkin0: pdf |
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| 21:59.03 | pumpkin0 | Firefishe: more hardware supported ... ? |
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| 21:59.32 | Fenix_NBK_ | pickcoder: my BIOS has no "USB legacy" options... |
| 21:59.40 | pumpkin0 | fasta: i donīt think lp will like that one ... |
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| 22:00.02 | Fenix_NBK_ | pickcoder: I have read to try "nousb" as boot parameter... |
| 22:00.20 | Firefishe | pumpkin0: I see. Well, I'm using the same hardware, and the 2.6.8 kernel on my big box is nice and tidy. I would like upgrade to the new kde 3.5.5 series, and perhaps do some experimentation with 4.0 code, but do I really need to update to a 2.6.xx series to do this? |
| 22:00.28 | mackss | pumpkin0, revert back to this? http://pastebin.com/821437 |
| 22:00.51 | pickcoder | Fenix_NBK_: you may need to boot with knoppix, chroot to your /, and then do what dpkg says regarding usb HID |
| 22:00.54 | Feax- | !pastbin |
| 22:00.54 | pumpkin0 | mackss: yes. |
| 22:00.59 | Feax- | !past |
| 22:00.59 | dpkg | well, past is you can also join #flood |
| 22:01.14 | enouf | Firefishe: you probably want to do a simple sid backport |
| 22:01.34 | pumpkin0 | Firefishe: no. the kernel does not matter for KDE. |
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| 22:01.44 | mackss | pumpkin0, should i restart networking too? |
| 22:01.53 | pumpkin0 | mackss: yes. |
| 22:02.24 | enouf | Firefishe: but if running Sarge .. yourKDE version wil only stay at 3.5.3 or whatever |
| 22:02.24 | mackss | ok i did but that ifconfig still shows the other IP |
| 22:02.25 | Firefishe | enouf: That's from debian.backports.org, correct? |
| 22:02.39 | enouf | !tell Firefishe about simple sid backport |
| 22:02.40 | Firefishe | enouf: I see |
| 22:02.57 | pumpkin0 | mackss: are you sure you are not limited by the NAT/router ? |
| 22:02.58 | mackss | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/821439 |
| 22:03.05 | mackss | limited to what? |
| 22:03.26 | pumpkin0 | mackss: 1 public IP. |
| 22:03.41 | mackss | pumpkin0, I have 8 5 of which are usable |
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| 22:03.53 | mackss | 8 IPs, 5 of which are usable |
| 22:04.08 | abrotman | are the other three tainted ? |
| 22:04.27 | mackss | pumpkin0, don't take this the wrong way but I think we might be forgetting to do something |
| 22:05.12 | mackss | pumpkin0, i think we might be missing a step |
| 22:05.24 | pumpkin0 | mackss: so the x.x.x.81 is yours too ? can you loginto that and try to ping the x.x.x.83 ? |
| 22:05.34 | Red_Cloud | I am trying to partition my hard drive and am using qtparted. I cannot find any documentation for this package or instruction manual. Anyone have experience with this partition package? |
| 22:05.40 | mackss | 81 is not mine... my block starts at 82 |
| 22:05.45 | penguin | Did anyone get back to me with my bad mirror question? |
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| 22:06.26 | pumpkin0 | mackss: the 81 may not route the 83 into that network ... |
| 22:06.27 | penguin | How to fix bad mirrors. Like is there a way to run a program that runs on netinstall to find a new mirror? |
| 22:06.39 | Firefishe | enouf: I got the output. Would that be one command sequence per needed package? |
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| 22:07.15 | enouf | Red_Cloud: google has answers about Qtparted |
| 22:07.15 | Firefishe | enoug: meaning, per kde package required? (which, in this case, probably means all of them. |
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| 22:07.20 | fasta | penguin: you can select what mirror to use during installation, right? |
| 22:07.38 | penguin | Right, so how to get back to that? |
| 22:07.40 | enouf | !tell Firefishe about backports |
| 22:07.47 | fasta | penguin: press Esc, probably? |
| 22:07.53 | robin_sz | OK, so lspci shows the wireless card, a broadcom WPC54G ... and I did the ndiswrapper -i <foo.inf> thing ... |
| 22:07.57 | fasta | penguin: or something similar |
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| 22:08.02 | robin_sz | but it doesnt seem to have grabbed it |
| 22:08.08 | penguin | I am long past installing here |
| 22:08.15 | Firefishe | k...I'll do some rtfm'ing then ;) |
| 22:08.15 | Firefishe | thanks |
| 22:08.18 | Firefishe | be well all |
| 22:08.29 | fasta | penguin: ok, then you didn't describe your problem good enough. |
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| 22:08.35 | penguin | It seems like there should be an easy way to change mirrors. |
| 22:08.51 | fasta | penguin: ask a good question, then I will answer |
| 22:08.51 | penguin | My problem is I got a bad stinking mirror. |
| 22:09.00 | fasta | penguin: and you are already completely installed? |
| 22:09.07 | fasta | penguin: don't make people guess. |
| 22:09.08 | penguin | It worked for years and now it dont work |
| 22:09.17 | fasta | penguin: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:09.17 | Nwallins | Hi, I just installed apache2 on etch. packages.debian.org shows that version 2.2.3 should be in this package. however, the last line from apt-get shows: Setting up apache2 (2.0.55-4.1) ... that doesn't match up with http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/apache2 ??? |
| 22:09.26 | fasta | !mirror |
| 22:09.29 | fasta | !mirrors |
| 22:09.29 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 22:09.38 | penguin | That is a royal pain in the ass. THer is no easier way. |
| 22:09.48 | thingfish | penguin: or use apt-setup |
| 22:09.56 | fasta | penguin: You can also use synaptic |
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| 22:10.14 | bilss_ | hi |
| 22:10.18 | fasta | penguin: What system would be better? |
| 22:10.20 | penguin | How to ask about apt-spy? |
| 22:10.31 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:10.45 | enouf | penguin: /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 22:10.51 | fasta | penguin: It's just changing one URL in one file. |
| 22:10.54 | desus | alguem sabe algum lugar que tem a instalaįão do cdd-br em screenshot? |
| 22:11.00 | penguin | to be able to get back to the setup screen where you choose your mirrors would be better |
| 22:11.02 | fasta | penguin: You cannot expect it to be easier. |
| 22:11.05 | pumpkin0 | !br |
| 22:11.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:11.09 | Nwallins | now, how come apt installed apache 2.0 for 'apache2' whereas packages.debian.org says it should be 2.2.3? |
| 22:11.12 | enouf | Nwallins: dunno .. maybe unresolved dependencies? .. checked the BTS yet? |
| 22:11.21 | penguin | I can think of an easier design right off. |
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| 22:11.28 | fasta | penguin: tell us |
| 22:11.29 | penguin | Should I design it? |
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| 22:11.48 | pumpkin0 | Nwallins: run "apt-get update" and try again. |
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| 22:12.09 | penguin | Why cant you just go to the setup screen where you choose your mirrors on netinstall? |
| 22:12.12 | IamEthos_ | okay.... what should I have in my sources.lst file? |
| 22:12.21 | streuner_ | !br |
| 22:12.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:12.21 | fasta | penguin: I think you can, one momen.t |
| 22:12.28 | pumpkin0 | IamEthos_: a lot ... |
| 22:12.40 | Nwallins | pumpkin0: same result |
| 22:12.47 | Nwallins | Setting up apache2 (2.0.55-4.1) ... |
| 22:12.51 | IamEthos_ | pumpkin0: where can i find a straightforward list of common sources? |
| 22:12.58 | IamEthos_ | because mine is 3 lines now |
| 22:13.06 | Con-fuze-ed | can someone here help me with a bash script issue... I am creating a command by concoctinating a couple of strings and executing it. It works fine, except one of the strings has a switch in it that requires that it's parameter be quoted. When I echo the final command string variable, all looks good... but when it executes there is additional quoting added. |
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| 22:13.15 | IamEthos_ | I have stable/updates stable and sarge-backports right now |
| 22:13.36 | enouf | Con-fuze-ed: try #bash maybe |
| 22:13.44 | Con-fuze-ed | never anyone in there |
| 22:13.55 | enouf | Con-fuze-ed: sure there is .. go see |
| 22:14.00 | Con-fuze-ed | I will try |
| 22:14.04 | fasta | penguin: I think you want aptconf |
| 22:14.23 | fasta | penguin: still I don't think that's a lot "easier". |
| 22:14.34 | fasta | penguin: apt-get install aptconf;aptconf |
| 22:15.02 | indole | How does one determine which resolution one's xserver is currently set to? |
| 22:15.06 | fasta | penguin: and if your mirror is so slow, that you can't install it, just visit the webpage containing all mirrors. |
| 22:15.25 | Nwallins | pumpkin0 I'm using ftp-mirror.internap.com as my repo because it's fast. (it's an official mirror) |
| 22:15.46 | pumpkin0 | Nwallins: do you have the multimedia-server too ? |
| 22:15.46 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have googled and found nothing about documentation or instruction manual |
| 22:15.47 | penguin | My mirror went down completely I guess |
| 22:15.48 | enouf | Con-fuze-ed: also try #GNU and or ##linux |
| 22:15.54 | penguin | What is that web page again? |
| 22:15.55 | Nwallins | pumpkin0: I don't think so |
| 22:16.00 | fasta | !mirrors |
| 22:16.00 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 22:16.33 | radical | penguin: you can choose your mirror on netinstall, do the expert installation -> [*] choose-mirror .... |
| 22:16.34 | mackss | pumpkin0, didn't i need to do an ifup or something? |
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| 22:16.41 | radical | easy as that |
| 22:16.47 | pumpkin0 | !tell Nwallins about marillat |
| 22:17.06 | pumpkin0 | mackss: not unless you really, really fucked with the network system... |
| 22:17.17 | Nwallins | pumpkin0: interesting, but why does http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/apache2 show 2.2.3 ? |
| 22:17.31 | mackss | pumpkin0, so what should i do know...just be sol? |
| 22:18.00 | enouf | Red_Cloud: any reason to not use Gparted? .. mucho docs about that .. Qtparted is a KDE thing usually comes on Knoppix and it's relatives, K/X/Ubuntus |
| 22:18.05 | enouf | Red_Cloud: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net |
| 22:18.10 | penguin | So then I got to go into sources list and edit it to the new mirror? |
| 22:18.51 | penguin | sources.list rather? |
| 22:18.54 | pumpkin0 | mackss: restart at 0 and find another expert. I still donīt know why "network restart" failed... |
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| 22:19.15 | mackss | pumpkin0, ok thanks anyway |
| 22:20.33 | enouf | Red_Cloud: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=unstable&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=qtparted&searchmode=filelist look at the man pages and other docs listed there |
| 22:20.48 | enouf | Red_Cloud: on your HDD ofcourse |
| 22:21.05 | penguin | My mirror is on the list, but it has not been working |
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| 22:21.26 | penguin | debian.uchicago.edu |
| 22:21.43 | Red_Cloud | enouf I had been looking for Kparted but did not find it. Thanks for the lead on Gparted. I will use it. |
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| 22:21.59 | nextstate2 | I apt-got mysql-server on two debian sarge machines. On the first machine, mysql-server 5 was installed. The second machine, mysql-server 4 was installed. They both have the same sources.list. Any ideas why this would happen? |
| 22:22.10 | robin_z | W00T |
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| 22:22.14 | IamEthos_ | okay, I cannot find flash in apt to save my life |
| 22:22.17 | robin_z | wireless card installed and working |
| 22:22.20 | Caelum | why does stuff like ssh <machine> lftp hang? |
| 22:22.27 | enouf | Red_Cloud: :-) .. it seems QTparted is not available in Sarge ... |
| 22:23.10 | Caelum | IamEthos_: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:23.30 | IamEthos_ | Caelum: yeah, cannot find that |
| 22:23.37 | enouf | Red_Cloud: seems it's only avail in Sid |
| 22:23.41 | abrotman | !flash |
| 22:23.41 | dpkg | flash is probably http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 22:24.09 | penguin | How to test a mirror? |
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| 22:24.20 | enouf | ping it? |
| 22:24.28 | Caelum | IamEthos_: the latest version is in experimental/contrib, there's an older version in sid and testing |
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| 22:24.49 | penguin | When I click it on the website it works. But apt-get update has not been working/ |
| 22:24.49 | Caelum | IamEthos_: make sure you have contrib in your sources.list |
| 22:25.11 | Caelum | penguin: are you using the same protocol in sources.list? (http or ftp) |
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| 22:25.27 | penguin | Both work on the website |
| 22:25.28 | Nwallins | penguin: `apt-get update` is a good test for mirror connectivity |
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| 22:26.02 | penguin | Get: 1 http://debian.uchicago.edu testing Release.gpg [189B] |
| 22:26.10 | Red_Cloud | enouf, let me check out the Gparted. |
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| 22:26.15 | Nwallins | penguin: then the mirror is down, or sources.list is misconfigured |
| 22:26.25 | Nwallins | or perhaps you didn't specify the path, after the hostname |
| 22:26.33 | penguin | I didnt touch it and it has worked for years. |
| 22:26.33 | Nwallins | sometimes /debian or /pub/debian |
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| 22:27.12 | secher | Heh. Umm.. slightly embarassing. I've get mysql installed locally, but I've not used it in a while. Now I need to use it. But I've forgotten the root user's password. How do I hose whatever databases are currently setup and restart the whole configuration? |
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| 22:27.39 | Caelum | secher: umm...try mysqladmin as root or something |
| 22:27.39 | robin_z | hmmm ... I'm sure the small text looked a lot "smoother" on X11 before I moved to etch ... does it have sub-pixel rendering available onthe XORG stuff? |
| 22:27.48 | deadlyallance946 | how do you move your os partition to anuther harddrive ? |
| 22:27.58 | Caelum | anyone know how to start interactive programs like ftp by ssh? ssh <machine> ftp doesn't work |
| 22:28.12 | Caelum | deadlyallance946: using knoppix and dd |
| 22:28.16 | enouf | Red_Cloud: was just trying to say perhaps why you can;t find any docs locally on your HDD .. or you're not running Debian perhaps |
| 22:28.25 | Caelum | deadlyallance946: make sure to boot knoppix with "dma" |
| 22:28.28 | IamEthos_ | Caelum: yeah, as far as I can tell, everything is set up correctly, but I can't make it work |
| 22:28.32 | deadlyallance946 | and dd ? whats dd ? |
| 22:28.36 | Caelum | man dd |
| 22:28.47 | penguin | deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 22:28.47 | penguin | deb-src http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 22:28.48 | penguin | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 22:28.48 | deadlyallance946 | thanks |
| 22:28.48 | robin_z | Caelum, ssh root@<machine> |
| 22:29.00 | penguin | IS that alright? |
| 22:29.06 | Nwallins | penguin: try s/testing/etch/ |
| 22:29.10 | enouf | yep |
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| 22:29.32 | Caelum | robin_z: I want to do ssh user@machine lftp (or irssi or whatever) though, and that just hangs |
| 22:29.40 | Caelum | robin_z: ssh machine ls and stuff like that works |
| 22:29.41 | penguin | I dont want to do that |
| 22:29.55 | Red_Cloud | enouf, I am using etch debian but no documentation is offered except for the man pages for qtparted. Thanks for the help. I am just a little queasy about committing a partition resize without checking the documentation. I will check out Gparted and see what they have to offer. |
| 22:30.10 | enouf | penguin: using etch instead of testing wil result in you moving and staying with Stable once Etch becomes the next Syable |
| 22:30.12 | secher | Caelum: Heh, I've tried every user I've created, and a few I haven't. |
| 22:30.12 | penguin | I find it is better not to use etch or sarge, better testing or stable |
| 22:30.14 | enouf | Stable* |
| 22:30.25 | robin_z | Caelum, ftp is probably configured to use a "trusted port" ... so you need to be root to do it |
| 22:30.36 | penguin | But you can run into some other obnoxious problems |
| 22:30.45 | enouf | Red_Cloud: absolutely smart :-) .. good luck and MAKE BACKUPS first! :-p |
| 22:30.57 | Caelum | robin_z: the problem is I can't run any interactive program that way...I'm missing an ssh option or something |
| 22:31.07 | secher | caleum: once you ssh in, you can just run ftp from that host. |
| 22:31.22 | Caelum | secher: yes, but I want to run the command from the command line |
| 22:31.23 | robin_z | Caelum, probably. Ive never used it that way .. I just log in to the machine and do it. |
| 22:31.52 | penguin | Could that mirror possibly be down for over a week? |
| 22:32.20 | secher | caelum: what are you trying to do? run which command from which command line? localhosts or the remove host? Do you want to start an FTP sessoin from the remote host to yet another host? |
| 22:32.22 | penguin | Is there a way to email them? |
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| 22:33.34 | secher | Caelum: the reason I ask is I often ssh to another host, and once logged in, the shell acts as a fully funtional terminal. You can run anything, except x apps. |
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| 22:33.42 | Nwallins | penguin: I recall having problems with uchicago.edu try a different mirror from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:33.42 | enouf | Caelum: look into the ssh -X and -Y options maybe? |
| 22:34.48 | Nwallins | if anyone cares, it looks like my apache2 version mismatch was due to an out-of-sync mirror: ftp-mirror.internap.com |
| 22:34.51 | Caelum | secher: just ssh machine irssi, for example. ssh machine ls works, and ssh machine works |
| 22:35.16 | Caelum | secher: run an interactive terminal program on a remote host via ssh |
| 22:35.26 | enouf | Nwallins: sure we do .. :-) ... excellent you found the issue |
| 22:35.40 | Caelum | IamEthos_: what happens in firefox when you go to a page with flash? |
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| 22:36.20 | enouf | Caelum: nevermind what I said then about -X and -Y i guess |
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| 22:36.40 | penguin | I used it for years, and suddenly I have problems |
| 22:36.47 | IamEthos_ | Caelum: it tries to download it |
| 22:36.50 | Nwallins | enouf: glad to help. I got 2.2 from ftp.us.debian.org kinda slow, so now trying ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu (i'm in atlanta) |
| 22:37.03 | Nwallins | (apache 2.2, that is) |
| 22:37.03 | IamEthos_ | for some reason I can't find the flash plugin anywhere in any of the apt repositories |
| 22:37.06 | raf256 | how to increment version number? in sources (apt-get sources) |
| 22:37.07 | secher_ | caelum: I'm now sshed into a remote host running epic4 to get here. |
| 22:37.10 | robin_z | Caelum, I fail to understand why you dont just do ssh <machine> when logged, just run irssi or whatever |
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| 22:37.38 | secher | so I fail to see what you can't do. |
| 22:37.55 | enouf | penguin: ones like ftp://ftp.us.debian.org sometimes gives me isssues too .. I just comment them out with a # at the beginning of the line temporarily |
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| 22:38.45 | Caelum | IamEthos_: get the one from experimental, I just tried it and it works |
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| 22:39.11 | enouf | raf256: the Maintainers manual maybe? |
| 22:39.13 | IamEthos_ | Caelum: so I add experimental to sources.list? |
| 22:39.19 | Tarantulafudge | My hardware raid 3ware is not being detected by the installer, what do I do? |
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| 22:39.36 | raf256 | enouf: that is / where t read |
| 22:39.43 | Caelum | IamEthos_: add deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list, sudo apt-get build-dep flashplugin-nonfree; sudo apt-get -b source flashplugin-nonfree and install the resulting deb |
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| 22:40.12 | Caelum | robin_z: I want to make an icon that does that :) |
| 22:40.15 | hyphenex | Hi guys... my web page admin has disabled wget. Is there another tool I can use to download files? |
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| 22:40.24 | Caelum | IamEthos_: oh, apt-get update first of course |
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| 22:40.59 | Caelum | IamEthos_: you can also just add experimental to your sources.list if you're running sid and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/experimental (I forgot about that) |
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| 22:41.30 | secher | anyhow, I need to reset the root user or remove all databases from my mysql install so I can recreate the users and databases. |
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| 22:42.14 | Caelum | secher: you can always just dpkg --purge mysql-server-<version> |
| 22:42.17 | RvGaTe | <-- BORED |
| 22:42.17 | secher | I can't simply remove mysql-common and mysql-server and purge because there's too much that depends on the packages. |
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| 22:42.26 | Caelum | oh |
| 22:42.30 | secher | caelum: been there tried that. |
| 22:42.30 | Caelum | secher: use --force-depends |
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| 22:42.36 | Caelum | secher: then just reinstall it |
| 22:42.48 | IamEthos_ | oh |
| 22:42.51 | IamEthos_ | mother effer |
| 22:42.56 | IamEthos_ | I know why I can't find it |
| 22:43.00 | enouf | Caelum: IamEthos_ remember to comment out the experimental line when you're done .. otherwise all your updates && upgrades will grab from there unless you implement apt-pinning using apt_preferences, and apt.conf(?) |
| 22:43.01 | IamEthos_ | because I'm on a PowerPC |
| 22:43.11 | Caelum | heh |
| 22:43.22 | enouf | IamEthos_: ho hum .. |
| 22:43.31 | marcrosoft | Anyone know how to get 1680x1050 resolution... it seems like any wide screen resolution is not working |
| 22:43.32 | enouf | no wonder .. doh! |
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| 22:43.35 | IamEthos_ | damnit |
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| 22:43.41 | Caelum | IamEthos_: use swf-player then |
| 22:43.44 | IamEthos_ | where the hell am I going to find it for PowerPC |
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| 22:44.12 | Caelum | enouf: by default, experimental is lower priority than a "real" dist unless you're crazy and pin it higher, like I'm doing :) |
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| 22:44.37 | Caelum | IamEthos_: it doesn't exist |
| 22:44.42 | Caelum | IamEthos_: use swf-player |
| 22:44.44 | enouf | marcrosoft: that might be your video driver .. anyways apt-get install hwinfo , then hwinfo --monitor as root for Monitor info/capabilities, also see read-edid and get-edid |
| 22:44.58 | secher | cealum: Please, I'm not asking how to remove packages, I'm asking how to reset a mysql database install and subsequently the users and passwords. |
| 22:45.09 | IamEthos_ | Caelum: thanks |
| 22:45.15 | IamEthos_ | I was about to kill myself |
| 22:45.15 | enouf | Caelum: crazy bastage :-p .. el loco |
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| 22:45.51 | beetlepun_ | hi, anyone knows the reason why the compbiz window manager allows smoothing of loaded webpages (eg: mouse scrolling down the pages) -- is it because it's an opengl window manager? |
| 22:46.07 | enouf | Caelum: curious if there's a dpkg factoid about your experimental procedure .. where'd you find it? .. or maybe you made it up yourself from past experience? |
| 22:46.25 | beetlepun_ | hi, anyone knows the reason why the compbiz window manager allows smoothing of loaded webpages (eg: mouse scrolling down the pages) -- is it because it's an opengl window manager? |
| 22:46.45 | Caelum | enouf: I just made it up, apt-get -b source is the general way to backport stuff from higher dists |
| 22:46.53 | Caelum | enouf: there's some info in the sid faq |
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| 22:49.10 | victorh | hi, how can I configure my sound car driver, lspci shows as: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 22:49.35 | enouf | Caelum: oh .. -b is not binary? hrmm.. I've used "apt-get install -t sid firefox" on occassion when I was on Sarge .. but maybe that spoils dependencies? I never got "pinning" down to a science , where I'm absolutely comfortable with it |
| 22:49.46 | enouf | Caelum: ok .. thanks |
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| 22:50.58 | IamEthos_ | Caelum: installed, but Flash still won't work |
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| 22:51.38 | nvz | victorh: which kernel version are you using ? uname -r |
| 22:51.45 | jones20992 | any pointers for installing to a cf card ? |
| 22:52.10 | victorh | nvz: 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp |
| 22:52.22 | nvz | victorh: any preference of OSS or ALSA? |
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| 22:52.43 | Miesco | Is it normal to be using 433mb of memory? |
| 22:52.46 | enouf | hrm .. man apt-get .. -b is build .. haven't read it in a while doh |
| 22:52.49 | victorh | nvz: I'm using ALSA, but it does not detect my card |
| 22:53.10 | Ronin | Miesco: depends, whats using that ram? |
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| 22:53.53 | IamEthos_ | now it's not attempting to download the SWFs anymore |
| 22:53.56 | nvz | victorh: i810_audio for OSS, snd-intel8x0 for ALSA |
| 22:53.59 | IamEthos_ | but it still won't play them |
| 22:54.04 | Miesco | Ronin: I dont know, thats my other question, how do I find out? |
| 22:54.18 | Ronin | Miesco: top, man top |
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| 22:54.33 | nvz | victorh: did you install alsa-utils and try running the alsaconf? |
| 22:54.42 | Miesco | Ronin: Yea thats what I was using |
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| 22:55.01 | Ronin | Miesco: unused ram is wasted ram though |
| 22:55.19 | Red_Cloud | enouf, I have a question about partitioning and have not been able to find the information in my reading. Whenever I create free space by resizing, the new free space is then labeled as hda2 wheveas the previous hda2 was the partition which housed my grub boot loader. All of the other hdaX also changed number. Will this cause any boot problems because of the number changes or is this automatically compensated without any intervention |
| 22:55.33 | Miesco | Ronin: But sometimes I run out of ram and my comptuer freezes |
| 22:55.37 | Miesco | Ronin: 8225 shawn 16 0 48648 35m 28m S 0.0 7.1 0:03.64 kate |
| 22:55.51 | Miesco | Mem: 515900k total, 508028k used, 7872k free, |
| 22:55.52 | victorh | nvz: Yes, I tried to run alsaconf, but it said that it can't detect my card. I did modprobe snd-intel8x0, is that right? |
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| 22:56.06 | Miesco | Ronin: See I only got 7mb free |
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| 22:56.13 | nvz | victorh: yes |
| 22:56.34 | Jadedwolf | Does anyone here know a program that you can run in Gnome that will allow to see if my nvidia driver is installed right? |
| 22:56.47 | nvz | victorh: there is also a snd-intel8x0m not sure what the difference is.. might be some special mobile version for laptops *shrug* |
| 22:56.47 | victorh | nvz: So how can I make the sound card working? |
| 22:56.54 | ayaa | what binary is setting up the xorg.conf every time i boot a livecd as knoppix ? |
| 22:56.58 | nvz | victorh: did you load the module successfully? |
| 22:57.07 | enouf | Red_Cloud: update-grub .. and check it's correct in /etc/fstab |
| 22:57.09 | victorh | nvz: yes I did |
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| 22:57.26 | Ronin | Miesco: i have 36480k free out of 1 gig |
| 22:57.30 | enouf | Red_Cloud: not entirely certain .. haven't used them in a while |
| 22:57.35 | nvz | victorh: might also want to load snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss for legacy compatibility with OSS applications |
| 22:57.35 | icyfire | Is ODBC not built into QT4 by default (debian/etch)? |
| 22:57.51 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I have much free space here :-) |
| 22:57.53 | victorh | nvz: yep you're right |
| 22:57.55 | nvz | victorh: after that open a mixer and turn the volume up |
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| 22:58.27 | Miesco | Ronin: Okay, so this is normal? |
| 22:58.29 | victorh | nvz: wich mixer you recommend me? |
| 22:58.30 | nvz | victorh: add all three modules to /etc/modules one per line leaving an empty line at the end so they will be loaded at boot time |
| 22:58.32 | slept | is there a easy way to make a router/dhcp server go down ? some idiot on the university net set up this thing and is faster than the accutal dhcp, so people keep getting leases for a router that is not routing |
| 22:58.48 | Ronin | Miesco: basically yes, like i said unused ram is wasted ram, it will free it up as its needed |
| 22:58.50 | victorh | nvz: ok, I'll do that |
| 22:59.04 | Miesco | Ronin: Okay |
| 22:59.06 | Miesco | thanks |
| 22:59.08 | nvz | victorh: I use aumix, its text-based.. but I really dont care which one you use.. alsamixer, gnome-volume-control.. whatever |
| 22:59.20 | Ronin | Miesco: does your machine seem slow? |
| 22:59.40 | enouf | Miesco: the "-/+ buffers/cache:" line listing Free , is also free/available |
| 22:59.53 | victorh | nvz: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found |
| 23:00.01 | victorh | :( |
| 23:00.07 | nvz | victorh: alsamixer told you that? |
| 23:00.18 | victorh | nope, gnome volume control |
| 23:00.20 | nvz | oh |
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| 23:00.47 | secher | I've a local mysql install. I've forgotten the root pw. I need to use mysql locally for a bit. I cannot remove --purge the mysql packages because there are dependencies that will be recursively purged which I've significantly modified. I need to either: purge the mysql packages only; or destroy and recreate the databases and passwords. |
| 23:00.52 | nvz | victorh: well maybe gnome volume control is not aware.. because there was no device to open when it started or you dont have permission to access it |
| 23:00.54 | enouf | Miesco: the Kerenl is excellent at handling RAM and Swap .. the apps though? ,.. that'sa whole nother story entirely |
| 23:00.55 | victorh | nvz: and alsamixer says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 23:01.12 | victorh | do I need to reboot? |
| 23:01.14 | secher | how do I do either of the above? |
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| 23:01.19 | nvz | victorh: try as root with alsamixer or try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" as root |
| 23:01.58 | nvz | victorh: the later command generates white noise on the speakers and will return no output to the screen stop with Ctrl+C it will return an error if the device cannot be opened for writing |
| 23:02.46 | nvz | victorh: if you can write the noise to the dsp as root then the sound is working and you have some minor user configuration issue |
| 23:03.06 | victorh | nvz: cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 23:03.14 | nvz | o.O |
| 23:03.16 | victorh | :( |
| 23:03.35 | indole | How can I determine which resolution my monitor is at? |
| 23:03.36 | nvz | thats a new one |
| 23:04.11 | victorh | nvz: I'm puzzled too |
| 23:04.17 | nvz | indole: xdpyinfo | grep dim |
| 23:04.43 | cydork | secher, check --skip-grant-tables option |
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| 23:05.00 | shwag | how do I make changes to login.defs take effect ? |
| 23:05.07 | nvz | victorh: that sounds like a driver problem.. I'd start googling or check alsa-project.org and make sure the specific chipset you have is supported and you are using the right driver |
| 23:05.13 | secher | cydork: Whew.. thanks for the response. |
| 23:05.24 | nvz | victorh: its strange the driver would load without error and you cannot write to the device it connects to |
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| 23:05.36 | victorh | nvz: Thanks, I'll try to look for |
| 23:05.45 | cydork | secher, well after 2-3 beers, i am generally slow :P |
| 23:05.46 | victorh | nvz: That's very strange |
| 23:05.58 | victorh | it loaded about 10 drivers |
| 23:06.15 | victorh | snd_intel8x0 37204 0 |
| 23:06.16 | victorh | snd_ac97_codec 72708 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 23:06.16 | victorh | snd_pcm_oss 56744 0 |
| 23:06.16 | victorh | snd_mixer_oss 20224 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 23:06.16 | victorh | snd_pcm 103304 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss |
| 23:06.16 | victorh | snd_timer 26504 1 snd_pcm |
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| 23:06.17 | indole | Ok. xdpyinfo tells me that I'm at the correct resolution for my LCD, but images appear unusually large. When my mouse hits the bottom or right edge of the screen, it scrolls into another half-screen of desktop. |
| 23:06.30 | enouf | hehe |
| 23:06.34 | nvz | heh |
| 23:06.52 | nvz | indole: ah, you have a virtual resolution |
| 23:07.15 | nvz | indole: i.e. your actual view space is like 800x600 when the desktop is 1024x768 |
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| 23:07.27 | indole | Aah! That makes sense. |
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| 23:08.04 | indole | Is there a way to force it to true 1440x900? |
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| 23:08.24 | cydork | virtual desktop bigger than actual one never made sence to me :P |
| 23:08.29 | nvz | indole: sometimes this happens when it cant calculate a good mode for the resolution you selected you might have display settings wrong |
| 23:09.01 | victorh | oops, sorry for that |
| 23:09.13 | Red_Cloud | enouf, I am being stupid about the hdaX numbering, I can just merely move the free space to keep my hda numbering correct. Duh! |
| 23:09.15 | nvz | since the actual resolution is higher its probably not the vram or the driver.. more likely the monitor settings |
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| 23:09.28 | cydork | oh i forgot to download etch cd 9 ! |
| 23:09.33 | victorh | nvz: do you have any clue? How can I setup the sound card |
| 23:09.44 | nvz | victorh: no worries, thats what the eggdrop bot is for.. to keep you from annoying us :P |
| 23:10.04 | shwag | how can I tell what package owns a particular file ? |
| 23:10.23 | nvz | victorh: I think you surely have a hardware bug or incorrect driver or the driver is buggy |
| 23:10.23 | cydork | shwag, dpkg -S |
| 23:10.49 | nvz | victorh: check alsa-project.org for your sound device and see if its supported and what driver it says to use |
| 23:10.55 | indole | Is there a resource I can use to find the correct settings for my monitor? |
| 23:11.07 | victorh | nvz: ok, thanks for your help |
| 23:11.14 | nvz | victorh: maybe unload the 8x0 and try the 8x0m |
| 23:11.22 | nvz | I have no idea what the difference is |
| 23:11.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: heh .. yeah .. you can ven use UUIDs instead of sdX hdX .. but that gets confusing for some :-0 |
| 23:11.39 | cydork | indole, install hwinfo and run hwinfo --monitor :P |
| 23:11.45 | enouf | s/ven/even |
| 23:11.57 | enouf | pushes cydork .. |
| 23:11.59 | Jepko | Hi there, maybe it's a stupide question, but I can't find any answere on Google -- I try to install CatraStreamServer (Video streaming server), and when I launch it, the system faild and say:" /sbin/services No such file or Directory", I don't have any file called services in my debian, and try to install it, but I guess it was replaced by /etc/init.d/somefile or anything else, - So do I need to make a ln or something like that |
| 23:12.05 | enouf | hshs |
| 23:12.11 | nvz | I do know one thing.. I never seen an AC97 card claim to be high def.. heh |
| 23:12.21 | enouf | hehe .. even |
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| 23:13.51 | enouf | nvz: did you realize that xpyinfo doesn't update itself after doing a ctrl-alt-+/- ?? whas up with that .. btw -- neat little util :-) |
| 23:14.04 | enouf | xdpyinfo even |
| 23:14.39 | nvz | enouf: why would it need to update? it doesnt change anything |
| 23:14.43 | enouf | the scary aprt is I'm not drinking :-p but I'm definitely hurtin from last night still :-p |
| 23:14.50 | enouf | part ..grrrr |
| 23:14.54 | nvz | enouf: if I do that my resolution stays the same, my viewport changes |
| 23:15.08 | enouf | nvz: ermm The res changes .. no? |
| 23:15.12 | nvz | nope |
| 23:15.25 | nvz | the viewable resolution changes, not the actual resolution |
| 23:15.29 | johnjohn | hello |
| 23:15.42 | enouf | so 800x600 == 1280x1024? |
| 23:15.47 | johnjohn | i'm needing a guide to start with debian |
| 23:16.04 | Ronin | johnjohn: dl iso, burn iso, put in cdrom, reboot and install |
| 23:16.11 | johnjohn | i'm a 25 years old bloke, that fiddled with dos command line |
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| 23:16.17 | nvz | I am at 800x600 on this box, if I do that it goes to 640x480 and the desktop is still 800x600 |
| 23:16.24 | johnjohn | so i have no fear to things like bash, buuuut |
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| 23:16.34 | johnjohn | i need to learn the basics |
| 23:16.35 | Ronin | johnjohn: define fear |
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| 23:17.02 | nvz | fear factor, debian newbies. tonight at 8 |
| 23:17.03 | pumpkin0 | johnjohn: learing by doing: grabe the netinstall CD and setup a box. |
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| 23:17.18 | AsheD | what are the main differences between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 23:17.19 | johnjohn | which tutorial/book, courseware,etc, do you recommend to learn the basics??? |
| 23:17.24 | Jepko | no idea about my /sbin/services ? |
| 23:17.24 | cydork | damn ndiswrapper-source is on cd 6 and the other utils on cd 9. |
| 23:17.29 | johnjohn | yup, already set up a couple boxec |
| 23:17.32 | johnjohn | boxes |
| 23:17.34 | Ronin | johnjohn: seriously back up what you want to save and install it |
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| 23:17.39 | Ronin | then use it,best way to learn |
| 23:17.48 | nvz | for 50,000 dollars, apt-get install kde |
| 23:17.51 | nvz | AHHH!! NOO!! |
| 23:17.52 | johnjohn | yup, but i need to learn the basics |
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| 23:18.26 | Ronin | johnjohn: like i said install and go |
| 23:18.27 | nvz | johnjohn: you need to burn a cd and put it in the drive and turn the computer on.. its so easy a monkey could do it |
| 23:18.36 | nvz | johnjohn: its all WIDHE compliant, no worries |
| 23:18.37 | Ronin | if you really want some reading though: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz |
| 23:18.47 | Ronin | that url alone will keep you busy for months |
| 23:18.52 | nvz | heh |
| 23:18.54 | enouf | nvz: I'm at 1280x1024 and if I do ctrl-alt-+ it goes to 800x600 (cause that's the way I have it setup) .. but both xdpyinfo | grep dim and/or res returnws the same result |
| 23:19.14 | nvz | enouf: it resizes the desktop as well as the viewport? |
| 23:19.29 | johnjohn | ok ok, |
| 23:19.36 | enouf | nvz: lemme chek the root window .. hold a sec |
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| 23:19.41 | Ronin | johnjohn: do you have a highspeed connection? |
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| 23:19.49 | eeyore- | enouf: use x rand r extension and use proper tool? gnome, maybe? :-) |
| 23:19.53 | johnjohn | but i told you, i have already downloaded some distros and installed them |
| 23:20.05 | johnjohn | yup, cable-modem |
| 23:20.05 | smacnay | What is the most full featured console irssi client? |
| 23:20.11 | Ronin | johnjohn: then the best way to learn debian is to just install it |
| 23:20.13 | Ronin | smacnay: irssi |
| 23:20.18 | nvz | smacnay: there is only one irssi |
| 23:20.24 | enouf | nvz: YEp .. it ALL changes , root window desktop , etc |
| 23:20.35 | Ronin | dont suppose you mean a term client by any chance? |
| 23:20.39 | smacnay | thanks - I have been using it but don't keep up on others so don't know if there are any better ones. |
| 23:20.41 | nvz | smacnay: there used to be a gtk version but its finished and nobody is interested |
| 23:20.47 | Ronin | smacnay: nope none better |
| 23:20.51 | smacnay | can irssi catch urls? |
| 23:20.52 | johnjohn | for example, i need insights on configuring users (i don't want to run as root), security, firewall |
| 23:20.57 | enouf | eeyore-: why .. I think it "should" change |
| 23:21.11 | nvz | smacnay: irssi could do anything with a little perl |
| 23:21.14 | enouf | eeyore-: unles I misunderstand what you're saying |
| 23:21.15 | johnjohn | net, and lan |
| 23:21.17 | Ronin | johnjohn: it will ask you as all distros do to create a root user and a "normal" one |
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| 23:21.34 | smacnay | nvz: ah, I am not a programmer, unfortunately. |
| 23:21.40 | pumpkin0 | Ronin: he already has a debian up and running ... |
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| 23:21.44 | Ronin | smacnay: tons and tons of perl scripts |
| 23:21.51 | action09 | hi |
| 23:21.51 | johnjohn | yup, but i want to configure more users, as i want my brother to use a different account than mine... |
| 23:21.52 | nvz | mmmm perl |
| 23:22.10 | smacnay | brb |
| 23:22.19 | Ronin | johnjohn: then its the same as any other distro adduser etc. |
| 23:22.21 | stray_ | johnjohn: some debian reading: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/index.html#contents |
| 23:22.28 | nvz | johnjohn: its all simple, and you can ask all the questions you want after you burn the cd and install debian |
| 23:22.31 | pumpkin0 | johnjohn: do you know the "man"-command ? try "man addusers" (or xman) |
| 23:22.34 | action09 | what's the official way to upgrade a testing ? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (never dist-upgrade ?) |
| 23:22.51 | indole | Ok, I think I've got enough to try to reconfig... Thank you nvz, cydork! |
| 23:23.00 | pumpkin0 | action09: the offical way starts with a big fat backup. |
| 23:23.10 | action09 | pumpkin0 done |
| 23:23.24 | Ronin | action09: then edit the sources.list |
| 23:23.28 | nvz | action09: dist-upgrade is for upgrading from an older dist to a newer one, you only need to upgrade to get updates for your current dist. dist-upgrade will do other things like removing obsolete packages |
| 23:23.31 | pumpkin0 | johnjohn: make that "man adduser" (no s at the end) |
| 23:23.57 | enouf | !slap cydork for stealing the prize |
| 23:24.03 | johnjohn | ok, ill do the man for addusers |
| 23:24.05 | enouf | haha |
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| 23:24.14 | cydork | huh? who ? where? |
| 23:24.23 | enouf | doh .. no worries |
| 23:24.25 | johnjohn | well thanks, ill try with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/index.html#contents |
| 23:24.40 | enouf | !prize cydork |
| 23:24.46 | simonrvn | !pal cydork |
| 23:24.49 | enouf | meh .. you can have it |
| 23:25.48 | johnjohn | which gui do you recommend? fluxbox, kde o gnome? i heard gnome is no good... |
| 23:26.04 | secher | cydork: you just really took a load off of my shoulders. Now I may actually be able to catch last call tonight. <sheesh> Many thanks man. Peace. |
| 23:26.15 | secher | !beer cydork |
| 23:26.16 | action09 | nvz Ronin pumpkin0 i was in stable, i replace stable by testing, did an update and upgrade but have problems, i did a dist upgrade and now no more problems, i plan now i'm usin testing packages, to do an upgrade only |
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| 23:27.06 | johnjohn | i think that i'm going for kde, or flux... |
| 23:27.18 | pumpkin0 | johnjohn: there are hunderts of WMs (window manager) out there. the 2 most used are KDE and gnome. For starts stick to these. |
| 23:27.25 | stray_ | johnjohn, just try them and see for yourself. don't depend on what other people say.. |
| 23:27.56 | johnjohn | yeah, i know there are a lot o wm. |
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| 23:28.03 | nvz | cydork: apt-get clean && apt-get install beer? |
| 23:28.12 | eeyore- | beryl is a cool wm |
| 23:28.15 | johnjohn | but it gets difficult to choose one when you start |
| 23:28.17 | Ronin | nvz: oh if only it was that easy :) |
| 23:28.37 | johnjohn | for an oldie computer which wm do you recommend guys?? |
| 23:28.49 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: is berly in the unstable-repos now ? |
| 23:28.55 | Ronin | johnjohn: how old? how much ram? cpu? video card? |
| 23:29.03 | nvz | Ronin: if it were that easy we'd have no more debian support |
| 23:29.08 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: don't know. i got it from xeffects overlay |
| 23:29.12 | Ronin | you may want to look at the lighter wm/de like flux etc. |
| 23:29.17 | Pryon | JohnDoh: I ran KDE on a PII 333 until earlier this year |
| 23:29.19 | johnjohn | pentium 133, 32mb ram, 1mb videocard |
| 23:29.19 | liob | is it possible to ask a dns what sub domains there are in a domain? |
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| 23:29.23 | Ronin | nvz: i could live with that |
| 23:29.23 | Pryon | ah. |
| 23:29.27 | Pryon | fvwm |
| 23:29.32 | Ronin | johnjohn: ouch, im seeing cmd line only |
| 23:29.46 | dendrite | johnjohn: icewm is pretty lightweight. |
| 23:29.47 | pumpkin0 | johnjohn: icewm, fwvm... and a lot of pain. |
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| 23:30.08 | enouf | johnjohn: you definite;ly don't want KDE on that thang |
| 23:30.11 | johnjohn | fluxbox it too overkill for that kind o box? |
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| 23:30.16 | action09 | johnjohn yes like Ronin i don't install any wm on it.. make it a filtering firewall with 2 ethernet cards ;) if possible :) |
| 23:30.21 | eeyore- | johnjohn: you're kidding me. 32MB of memory? 1MB video card? console-only, at best fbconsole (doubtful) |
| 23:30.26 | Ronin | johnjohn: it may be but it a go |
| 23:30.29 | eeyore- | is this a Hercules thing? |
| 23:30.35 | pumpkin0 | johnjohn: get at least 128MB RAM ... then you can have fluxbox ... maybe |
| 23:30.37 | eeyore- | they make a videocard with 1MB? |
| 23:30.42 | eeyore- | i think you mean 16 |
| 23:30.46 | enouf | johnjohn: you may even have trouble installing sarge |
| 23:30.57 | Sudo|Faderhval | hmm |
| 23:31.07 | eeyore- | besides the old old cga/ega/hercules, that is |
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| 23:31.19 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: i still have a 256KB gfx-card for PCI ... |
| 23:31.22 | enouf | johnjohn: easily ...anyway |
| 23:31.22 | johnjohn | okok, maybe when i finish some with debian, i ll use vectorlinux on that pc |
| 23:31.37 | nvz | last time I bought EDO simms they were like USD$6 for 64mb and that was like 4 years ago.. you need to get some ram in that dinosaur |
| 23:31.40 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: uh ... oh ... kay ... |
| 23:32.04 | nvz | I run on shitty old hardware all the time.. but I at least buy lots of ram for it |
| 23:32.04 | johnjohn | hercules monochrome didnt had any memory, it just used the main system one |
| 23:32.07 | enouf | nvz: check prices lately? .. they want even more $$ than for DDR |
| 23:32.11 | johnjohn | from what i remember |
| 23:32.29 | nvz | enouf: an original pentium isnt going to use DDR jackass :P |
| 23:32.35 | enouf | nvz: PC133 SDRAM is like 50 for 128MB .. what a dump! |
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| 23:32.39 | johnjohn | yup, i dont understand why they charge so much for oldie hard |
| 23:32.53 | enouf | nvz what are you talking about? |
| 23:32.55 | nvz | enouf: would use PC66/100 DIMM or EDO SIMMs |
| 23:33.10 | nvz | enouf: I am talking about johnjohn's 32mb POS |
| 23:33.11 | enouf | nvz: check the prices b0z0 |
| 23:33.29 | nvz | I've never had a machine that used DDR ram |
| 23:33.40 | nvz | I've still got tons of them using EDO SIMMs |
| 23:33.42 | enouf | I'm talking about EDO and DSD dumbass |
| 23:33.48 | enouf | :-p |
| 23:33.57 | Asymmetry | Yay for insults. |
| 23:34.28 | eeyore- | weird ... i mount -t smbfs //server/share to my local machine, initiated a copy from linux to windows (over the mounted directory) and the copy failed at 2GB. i then used smbclient to *put* the file over to windows side and it's OK. is this smbfs mount limitation thing? |
| 23:34.35 | enouf | wonders over to #politics to spew some hatred :-p |
| 23:35.12 | nvz | heh |
| 23:35.16 | secher | omg! There's a channel for vitriol on freenode? /me heads to #politics also! |
| 23:35.19 | thingfish | !beer everyone |
| 23:35.20 | eeyore- | 4GB and counting ... |
| 23:35.38 | eeyore- | secher & enouf: need a hand, or a foot, maybe? |
| 23:35.52 | thingfish | nvz: now come on. You can do better than that. |
| 23:35.54 | nvz | or I can actually cook something.. pfft yeah right |
| 23:35.58 | enouf | secher: all ##channels ..are , can be like that |
| 23:36.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:36.17 | mackss | pumpkin0, i ended up letting my host take care of it...it works now |
| 23:36.20 | enouf | eeyore-: got a mouth? hehe |
| 23:36.31 | thingfish | nvz: luckily my mom set me up earlier with some taco pie thing she made. |
| 23:36.31 | eeyore- | enouf: watch it |
| 23:36.39 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: check the file after that transfer. SMB has several limits in several places. |
| 23:36.49 | enouf | ooops ..wanders* .. doh |
| 23:36.49 | pumpkin0 | mackss: what did he change ? |
| 23:36.52 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: yeah, i'll be doing md5sum just to be sure |
| 23:37.11 | johnjohn | well THANKS GUYS |
| 23:37.15 | eeyore- | the file is 80GB large so it'll take some time |
| 23:37.29 | Asymmetry | johnjohn, YOU'RE WELCOME |
| 23:37.29 | mackss | pumpkin0, the interfaces file and that's it |
| 23:37.31 | johnjohn | ill try with that tutorial and see how much retarded i am |
| 23:37.42 | nvz | thingfish: hmm sounds messy |
| 23:37.43 | mackss | he also did an ifup |
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| 23:37.54 | johnjohn | i'll be be checking with you guys if something doesn't works out... |
| 23:37.58 | johnjohn | gbye!!1 |
| 23:37.59 | mackss | pumpkin0, "I configured the interfaces file and then just did an ifup on the devices added." |
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| 23:38.15 | thingfish | nvz: no actually it seems fairly solid - not runny or greasy at all. |
| 23:38.21 | pumpkin0 | mackss: strange ... |
| 23:38.26 | nvz | thingfish: I always liked those taco boats/bowls/salads they were just too messy.. seems a tortilla hard/soft is the way to get it all in your mouth |
| 23:38.29 | Asymmetry | I'm a convert from Ubuntu to Debian. Everything seems mostly the same, except... Better. Not as stupidified. |
| 23:38.36 | mackss | pumpkin0, ya |
| 23:38.38 | Ronin | Asymmetry: nicely put |
| 23:38.51 | mackss | pumpkin0, the interface file is weird looking now too though |
| 23:39.06 | pumpkin0 | mackss: can i habe a look ? |
| 23:39.11 | mackss | ya |
| 23:39.18 | pickcoder | nvz: real bowl, tortilla chips, taco meat, cheese, and sour cream |
| 23:39.20 | mackss | root/changeme |
| 23:39.25 | mackss | KIDDING! ;-) |
| 23:39.30 | mackss | lemme pastebin it |
| 23:39.31 | nvz | I got 2 packs of easy mac in my back seat of my car that I had in there all week.. idea was to eat those when I was away instead of paying for fast food.. they're still sitting there and I probably spent $50 or more on fast food.. so see how well that works |
| 23:39.32 | pickcoder | lots of pepper sauce |
| 23:39.36 | thingfish | nvz: you got it. I would've done tacos tonight, except that my my mom gave this to me. |
| 23:39.59 | Asymmetry | Another thing that's great? Netinstall images. Oh, wait, and not needing a separate disc for desktops or servers. Or RAID arrays. Oh, and there's also no sucky artwork. |
| 23:40.01 | nvz | I probably got stuff for tacos.. and if not thats what stores are for |
| 23:40.11 | thingfish | pickcoder: you forgot the sliced serrano chilis |
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| 23:40.16 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 23:40.17 | dpkg | Since Fri Nov 10 12:05:04 2006, there have been 0 modifications, 141 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 40 commands. I have been awake for 11h 35m 12s this session, and currently reference 36981 factoids. I'm using about 14000 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 80.64/4.14 child 0.01/0 |
| 23:40.18 | tonyb2006 | i have a very very odd problem |
| 23:40.19 | Asymmetry | And I don't get locked out of root by default. |
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| 23:40.27 | tonyb2006 | the computer thinks the drive is full |
| 23:40.34 | pickcoder | thingfish: oh... pickled jalapenos... and maybe some sliced calamata olives |
| 23:40.34 | Asymmetry | tonyb2006, is it? |
| 23:40.35 | tonyb2006 | like df shows 0 free space |
| 23:40.40 | tonyb2006 | it isnt full |
| 23:40.42 | nvz | I never noticed dpkg come back |
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| 23:40.46 | eeyore- | so when is dpkg going to achieve sentience? |
| 23:40.47 | tonyb2006 | ive deleted tons of stuff |
| 23:40.49 | thingfish | pickcoder: mmm |
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| 23:41.03 | pickcoder | I think I'm getting tex-mex tonight |
| 23:41.09 | Asymmetry | I'm in the mood for pizza. |
| 23:41.13 | thingfish | although fresh sliced serranos beat pickled jalapenos any day |
| 23:41.13 | tonyb2006 | and "cat /dev/zero > test" made a 200mb file |
| 23:41.16 | pickcoder | tamales and tacos |
| 23:41.16 | eeyore- | el pollo loco |
| 23:41.20 | tonyb2006 | but programs crash |
| 23:41.25 | tonyb2006 | more complex ones |
| 23:41.29 | ayaa | how to disable screen blanking on matchbox ? |
| 23:41.46 | nvz | eeyore-: I remember a game I played years ago called "System Shock" that made me think that may not be such a good idea for a computer program to draw its own conclusions |
| 23:41.54 | pickcoder | tonyb2006: what does fdisk tell you? |
| 23:41.56 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: it's "full" because rest of space available is reserved for root |
| 23:41.56 | mackss | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/821505 |
| 23:41.56 | pumpkin0 | tonyb2006: which fs do you use ? ramfs, ext3, reiser,... |
| 23:42.05 | nvz | that game was kinda cool.. I think there was a sequel or two |
| 23:42.10 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: get rid of root-reserved space if you must, tune2fs -m0 /dev/.... |
| 23:42.15 | pickcoder | does that total size match the total size for df? |
| 23:42.32 | tonyb2006 | eeyore-: huh? |
| 23:42.37 | tonyb2006 | ext3 |
| 23:42.41 | eeyore- | huh? |
| 23:42.46 | tonyb2006 | what would the tune2fs thing do |
| 23:42.49 | Asymmetry | huh? |
| 23:42.52 | eeyore- | huh? |
| 23:42.53 | nvz | tonyb2006: ext3 is ext2 |
| 23:43.01 | nvz | tonyb2006: with a journal |
| 23:43.03 | Asymmetry | nvz, with jour... yeah. |
| 23:43.09 | tonyb2006 | nvz: yes.. |
| 23:43.12 | pickcoder | that doesn't work all that terrific |
| 23:43.13 | pumpkin0 | mackss: he used rearranged the lines, nothing fancy. I still donīt get it why networking restart failed. |
| 23:43.17 | mackss | pumpkin0, seems he didn't use eth0:0 |
| 23:43.25 | nvz | tonyb2006: they are the same fs, and they use the same tools |
| 23:43.29 | tonyb2006 | i know |
| 23:43.37 | tonyb2006 | i just want to know what root-reserverd space is |
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| 23:43.51 | mackss | pumpkin0, we used eth0:0 for one of them |
| 23:43.57 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: space only root is allowed to write to, not available to anyone else |
| 23:44.07 | tonyb2006 | i see |
| 23:44.12 | mackss | pumpkin0, but I have used that before and it worked fine...i dunno maybe he's lucky |
| 23:44.13 | pumpkin0 | mackss: you can start numbering the additional IP anywhere you like. Even eth0:2000 would be fine for the first IP ... |
| 23:44.16 | nvz | tonyb2006: when you create a filesystem you reserve a certain number of blocks for the super user to prevent an idiot from crashing the system with an out of space condition.. |
| 23:44.18 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: so eventhough you "got rid of tons of stuff" it hasn't budged above this reserved percentage |
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| 23:44.29 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: so, still *no* space available to anybody else but root |
| 23:44.34 | mackss | pumpkin0, ya |
| 23:44.35 | tonyb2006 | eeyore-: makes sense |
| 23:44.36 | nvz | tonyb2006: its like a last-resort quota built-in to the filesystem |
| 23:44.45 | tonyb2006 | i see |
| 23:44.57 | pickcoder | nvz: too bad that doesn't help with memory leaks and overswap |
| 23:45.05 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: random clues, dumpe2fs, tune2fs, or just plain rm -fr going berzerk in all directories, especiall /pr0n |
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| 23:45.14 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: oh, and ~/*/.thumbnails |
| 23:45.24 | eeyore- | tonyb2006: oh, and ~/*/.mozilla* |
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| 23:45.48 | ayaa | how to disable screen blanking on matchbox ? |
| 23:45.54 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah well memory leaks are just a disaster, but how many people are out there running Microsoft Windows ME and dont even know what a memory leak is.. |
| 23:46.28 | nvz | pickcoder: and swap.. swap is just nasty to begin with.. thats for people who cant afford enough ram :P |
| 23:46.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:47.19 | Hakon | hmm, anyone have problems enabling mod_rewrite with the apache from the stable repository? |
| 23:47.28 | pickcoder | nvz: swap gives you a limited amount of time to kill poorly written commercial applications that have memory holes |
| 23:47.31 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:47.42 | pickcoder | I always make sure I have plenty of it when running a specific application |
| 23:47.50 | nvz | my box in the other room which I was just on before I came out here and reattached was at 100% MEM/CPU today and started swapping about 15% but when I killed firefox everything went back to normal |
| 23:47.51 | robin_z | hmmm .. I installed this copy of debian for windows XP on my wifes laptop, now cant seem to get the windows desktop back again ... |
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| 23:48.27 | tonyb2006 | i think that fixed the problem |
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| 23:48.34 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah thats the idea.. but the slow-as-hell conditions you have to work under when you got an application swapping wildly are almost useless anyhow |
| 23:49.05 | robin_z | pickcoder, oh shush now .. I was just trying to impersoante an Ubuntu user ;) |
| 23:49.25 | Mawze_ | question: where on the debian site is the list of repositories? I am looking for a repository for the 4.1.x strand of mysql |
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| 23:50.31 | pickcoder | nvz: true. I've run into that situation a few times. None responsive console, but init still responds to login requests. |
| 23:50.38 | pickcoder | quite annoying |
| 23:50.44 | eeyore- | esp on RHEL |
| 23:50.48 | pickcoder | yup |
| 23:50.50 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:50.55 | eeyore- | load avg goes way up ... 42 or so |
| 23:51.04 | eeyore- | only thing left to do --- hit the power button |
| 23:51.06 | tonyb2006 | 42 is the meaning of life! |
| 23:51.10 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah login requests.. and it tells you please hold while I answer a few thousand disk controller inturrupts |
| 23:51.30 | tonyb2006 | 274M free |
| 23:51.32 | tonyb2006 | yay success |
| 23:51.56 | nvz | thats the bad thing about swap.. the small operations on slow controllers keep throwing inturrupts and dragging processes into kernel space |
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| 23:53.05 | pickcoder | I'm out. cheers. |
| 23:53.07 | nvz | I'd say something crazy like they need to design a special bus for swap devices.. but then they already did that.. its called RAMBUS and if you got enough ram you dont have to go there |
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