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| 00:02.25 | slept | how can i find out the IP for a given mac adress ? |
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| 00:05.34 | Firestarter | slept: what kind of device |
| 00:05.35 | Firestarter | ? |
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| 00:05.53 | slept | ethernet |
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| 00:06.24 | Firestarter | slept: I know ethernet but what is it |
| 00:06.42 | slept | a router |
| 00:06.59 | Firestarter | what brand? |
| 00:07.15 | slept | dlnik |
| 00:07.18 | slept | dlink |
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| 00:08.14 | slept | but does that matter ? |
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| 00:08.55 | Firestarter | slept try 102.168.2.1 |
| 00:09.02 | Firestarter | type that in your browser |
| 00:09.07 | Firestarter | and press enter |
| 00:09.51 | Firestarter | or 0.1 for the last two numbers |
| 00:09.56 | Firestarter | or 1.1 |
| 00:10.07 | slept | the adress has to start with 142. |
| 00:10.16 | Firestarter | is this router new |
| 00:10.23 | slept | would be the wrong country |
| 00:10.28 | slept | if not |
| 00:11.06 | Firestarter | is it new |
| 00:11.07 | Firestarter | ? |
| 00:11.42 | Firestarter | what is the ip of the computer connected to it? |
| 00:13.08 | Firestarter | what model is this? |
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| 00:14.53 | tonyb2006 | :DD |
| 00:15.11 | CBG | Uhm, what kernel is Sarge..? |
| 00:15.41 | pstickne | 2.way.too.old |
| 00:16.07 | pstickne | 2.4.16 or something was originally installed here I think. |
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| 00:16.24 | CBG | Wow.. yeah, that's old. :| |
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| 00:16.48 | cydork | 2.4.27 by default but 2.6.8-3 if you install by linux26 |
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| 00:17.14 | CBG | I'm looking for 2.6.17-rc2 or later, I need 'etch'..? |
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| 00:17.30 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:17.30 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
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| 00:17.56 | octobre | Hello everybody |
| 00:18.03 | nvz | pstickne: if you strive for newer and newer version numbers you either got a serious condition known as Shiny New Software Syndrome or you are ignorant to the fact that debian has a policy that prevents us from pulling new versions into a stable distribution, however new security fixes are patched in. |
| 00:18.07 | CBG | thanks, dvs, I guess. |
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| 00:18.31 | bashman | http://lubrio.blogspot.com/2006/11/presidente-chvez-da-contundente.html |
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| 00:18.39 | dvs | CBG, no problem? |
| 00:18.40 | pstickne | nvz, not newer and newer, but sarge is kinda getting old. |
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| 00:19.05 | CBG | I'm a linux n00b, was hoping just to install debian without having to mess around too much. |
| 00:19.33 | nvz | pstickne: yeah this happens. its just a side effect of debian's priorities which are providing 100% DFSG Free and highly stable releases that work on as many platforms as possible. |
| 00:19.39 | cydork | pstickne, old is actually a wrong word. It's stable. :) |
| 00:19.49 | pstickne | cydork, :P |
| 00:20.01 | dvs | CBG, did you try and install it? |
| 00:20.02 | Mole | how come my hdd doesnt get automounted when its in /etc/fstab? it does work when i do "mount -a" manually after boot :/ |
| 00:20.10 | nvz | pstickne: there are ways around it. you can use backports or upgrade.. and as I said as far as security is concerned, we patch or versions with the latest upstream fixes |
| 00:20.11 | octobre | I have justed installed a fresh 2.6.18.2 (with the raid modules) and installed it on a raid5 array. Now I'im trying to use mdadm --grow to expand the array without any result... i'm looking for help ! |
| 00:20.51 | CBG | dvs: not yet |
| 00:20.51 | octobre | I can add a spare disk to the array but can't use the grow mode |
| 00:20.54 | no_err | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:21.09 | dvs | CBG, I'd try the linux26 option first |
| 00:21.20 | CBG | I'm looking for the simplest way to get debian with 2.8.17-rc2 or later. |
| 00:21.33 | CBG | I need this kernel for my broadcom wireless card. |
| 00:21.38 | pstickne | nvz, I'm a mix of testing and unstable here O.o |
| 00:22.00 | CBG | The reverse-engineered driver was not included in the kernel before 2.8.17-rc2. |
| 00:22.20 | nvz | pstickne: its generally not a good idea to mix, but I assume you know how to pin, and how to use the bts, resolve minor package issues and whatnot |
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| 00:24.07 | freeone3000 | Where does sun-java5-sdk install? |
| 00:24.29 | nvz | freeone3000: did you build it with java package? |
| 00:24.36 | octobre | CBG : have a look at kernel.org, get the sources, / $ make menuconfig / $ make / # make install && make modules_install |
| 00:24.39 | nvz | !+info sun-java5-sdk |
| 00:24.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:24.42 | freeone3000 | nvz: No, I installed it through apt. |
| 00:24.42 | dpkg | Package 'sun-java5-sdk' does not exist. |
| 00:24.46 | nvz | hmm |
| 00:24.52 | freeone3000 | Yes, it fsking does! |
| 00:25.06 | nvz | freeone3000: in any case if its a deb package, you can dpkg -L that package |
| 00:25.15 | freeone3000 | Ah. Was unaware of that one, thanks. |
| 00:25.40 | raf256 | when I modify the source of a package, I should test it using debuild -kmykey@foo.com && dpkg -i .... && foo ? because that seem lenghty process |
| 00:25.41 | CBG | octobre: 'linux n00b' :( |
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| 00:28.03 | pstickne | nvz, it gets interesting at times :p |
| 00:28.35 | Red_Cloud | I need some advice. I want to have several instances of linux on my harddisk. Presently I have: 1. ntsf OS as a primary; 2 ext3 (grub) as a primary; and 3. extended (Linux) |
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| 00:29.19 | Red_Cloud | How do I change the 3. extended (Linux) to primary and have my OS still boot and operate? |
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| 00:29.33 | nvz | pstickne: I'm sure it does, hopefully you deal with it and dont file bugs or request support. filing bug reports with mixed sources just sends developers on a wild goose chase trying to figure out why something that wasnt intended to work together in the first place isnt working |
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| 00:31.25 | Mawze_ | does anybody know the repositories for the latest versions of mysql for sarge? |
| 00:31.52 | pstickne | nvz, I usually smack my head a few times. no point bitching when you get your feet cut on edge or something not sanctioned. |
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| 00:33.02 | octobre | Perhaps someone hase used mdadm recently ? |
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| 00:34.52 | EmleyMoor | After installing zaptel from backports, how do I proceed? |
| 00:36.01 | petemc | you're asking how to use asterisk? |
| 00:36.52 | nvz | octobre: perhaps, indeed. |
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| 00:37.35 | eeyore- | octobre: yes, but i haven't used "grow" -- it's marked 'experimental' |
| 00:37.36 | EmleyMoor | I'm asking how to proceed with setting up zaptel - compiling the modules and so on - instructions are plonked, rather than given |
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| 00:38.28 | mike-e | anyone know the flag to make an xterm in 'large' mode off the top of their head? |
| 00:38.48 | petemc | EmleyMoor: last time i checked, you used make to compile it, asterisk is a complicated beast tho |
| 00:39.19 | nvz | mike-e: and what is 'large' mode? |
| 00:39.25 | EmleyMoor | Yes - but where? I am not sure where one is supposed to start from - still, I continue to research |
| 00:39.39 | mike-e | nvz: uh inbetween huge and medium? |
| 00:39.39 | petemc | lots of reading, days of banging your head on the nearest blunt object, and some sacrifice of small animals |
| 00:39.58 | mike-e | nvz: like control right click, large |
| 00:40.15 | nvz | mike-e: you completly lost me |
| 00:40.21 | eeyore- | nvz: "font sizes" |
| 00:40.25 | nvz | mike-e: are you asking how to set the font size in xterm? |
| 00:40.32 | mike-e | that sounds about right |
| 00:40.33 | eeyore- | mike-e: man xterm, font1, font2, etc. |
| 00:40.46 | mike-e | yeah didn't think it was a font flag sorry |
| 00:40.46 | mike-e | hehe |
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| 00:41.07 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to list all the files a package installed? |
| 00:41.12 | octobre | hey, again. |
| 00:41.14 | nvz | eeyore-: dpkg -L |
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| 00:41.24 | nvz | EmleyMoor: dpkg -L |
| 00:41.33 | nvz | damn irssi's completion |
| 00:41.35 | EmleyMoor | Looking now |
| 00:42.06 | usr_rob | superjon: Hello! What are your hardware spec. for the Thinkpad T60, do you have dvd burner on your model? |
| 00:42.26 | eeyore- | nvz: huh? |
| 00:42.56 | nvz | eeyore-: go find pooh and piglet... I tabbed the wrong nick, ffs |
| 00:43.47 | nvz | check in the 100 acre woods, and say hello to christopher robin for me :P |
| 00:43.49 | octobre | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.58 | EmleyMoor | Are the zaptel modules (or their source) kept in some other package? |
| 00:44.28 | petemc | EmleyMoor: my experience has been that its better to get asterisk from cvs |
| 00:44.39 | mick_home | anyone ever get this error: debbootstrap Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc (when trying to install) |
| 00:45.09 | EmleyMoor | What, and be asked wayc? |
| 00:45.11 | petemc | that idea kinda goes against the grain around here, but thats how i found it |
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| 00:45.54 | mick_home | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=debbootstrap+Failure+trying+to+run%3A+chroot+%2Ftarget+mount+-t+proc+proc+%2Fproc <-- comes up w/ nothing :( |
| 00:45.57 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I see a useful doc |
| 00:46.01 | petemc | EmleyMoor: also, if you're asking questions about compiling it, configuring it is going to be.. problematic |
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| 00:46.39 | EmleyMoor | I'm asking questions about finding it, not compiling - but I think I see my problem |
| 00:46.49 | petemc | thats worse.. |
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| 00:54.16 | slept | how can i find the corresponding ip for a given mac |
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| 00:55.33 | petemc | slept: if its not in your arp cache, im not sure you can |
| 00:55.37 | nevyn | slept: arp -a if you pinged everything on the lan |
| 00:55.37 | petemc | icbw tho |
| 00:55.47 | nevyn | just ping everything on the local subnet |
| 00:55.56 | nevyn | then use arp -a|grep knownmac |
| 00:56.06 | xuser | Is there some newbie webpage creator for linux? One that have examples, templates, etc... is for a static page. |
| 00:57.16 | slept | it looks like its not in the same net - i think the 3 number differs - same.same.different |
| 00:57.46 | petemc | slept: im pretty sure you only know about mac addresses that are one hop away |
| 00:58.01 | nevyn | you only know mac's that are in the local network |
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| 00:58.30 | slept | hmm |
| 00:59.05 | slept | thanks anyway |
| 00:59.34 | shwag | does the system automatically cleanup /tmp ? |
| 00:59.46 | petemc | slept: on reboot, yesz |
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| 01:01.01 | shwag | petemc: what file calls this ? |
| 01:01.53 | pab_ | OT: Any advise on cleaning up the cpu for a new heatsink/fan? |
| 01:02.08 | petemc | shwag: grep -R tmp /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 01:02.13 | cydork | pab_, dont use toilet cleaner? |
| 01:02.33 | pab_ | cydork: thx;) |
| 01:02.47 | Mawze_ | stupid question: pimpmylinux has both versions of mysql available, apt-get wants to install 5 i want 4.1. Could somebody here be so kind as to let me know what to type to override the apt-get control freak? |
| 01:02.50 | mick_home | anyone here done much w/ chroot? |
| 01:03.01 | mick_home | anyone know why this would fail? chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 01:03.37 | cydork | mick_home, chroot and mount are different commands |
| 01:04.36 | shwag | petemc: /etc/init.d/bootclean |
| 01:04.48 | mick_home | cydork: i know, but if you read the help - that is how it is supposed to work |
| 01:05.06 | cydork | mick_home, which help? |
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| 01:05.25 | mick_home | just type in `chroot` |
| 01:07.04 | h3sp4wn | schroot makes messing with binding /proc and /dev unnecessary |
| 01:07.05 | cydork | mick_home, oh ok.. sorry my mistake |
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| 01:08.21 | cydork | mick_home, what error do you get? |
| 01:08.28 | mick_home | h3sp4wn: i'm having issues w/ the installer |
| 01:08.44 | mick_home | base-install fails because that didn't work |
| 01:08.46 | petemc | mick_home: have you tried a non gtk installer? |
| 01:09.29 | mick_home | well, one questttttion - what happens if i have encrypted fs setup - can i continue w/ the install just fine? |
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| 01:09.37 | mick_home | since the formatting is *finally* done |
| 01:09.42 | mick_home | it took all night |
| 01:09.58 | Red_Cloud | QUESTION: Debian from Scratch is Ext3? or Ext2? |
| 01:09.59 | mick_home | k crypto stuff was a hasstle ;) |
| 01:10.07 | mick_home | but at least i finally "got it" |
| 01:10.19 | petemc | Red_Cloud: you can pick fs |
| 01:10.21 | mick_home | Red_Cloud: by default ext3 |
| 01:10.29 | mick_home | don't know what "from scratch" means |
| 01:10.37 | Red_Cloud | mick_home thanks |
| 01:10.40 | mick_home | it isn't like LFS |
| 01:10.41 | h3sp4wn | Red_Cloud: Irrelevant as you just manually format and use debootstrap |
| 01:10.44 | mick_home | though similar |
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| 01:11.37 | Asymmetry | Anyone ever notice how things that you give a crap about always get lost, while those things that you could care less about, you can never seem to get rid of? |
| 01:11.43 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 01:12.04 | CBG | Asymmetry: it's a law of physics. |
| 01:12.24 | mynullvoid | at the moment my shorewall logs are shown on the active tty; how can I make so that the shorewall logs only shown in tty4 only/ |
| 01:12.26 | Asymmetry | CBG, which law is this? |
| 01:12.52 | CBG | Asymmetry: Murphy's 3rd Law of Life |
| 01:12.53 | petemc | Asymmetry: i keep my keys on a shoelace, tied with a knot - that knot comes loose. My headphone cable, which i want to keep straight, ends up on a knot |
| 01:13.04 | petemc | s/on/in/ |
| 01:13.27 | Asymmetry | My problem is keeping track of my Common Access Card. |
| 01:13.28 | petemc | murphys law |
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| 01:14.09 | Red_Cloud | enouf, I have created a 8 gig partition and formatted it for ext3. Does the package gparted allow for creating this partition as "boot"? |
| 01:14.23 | Asymmetry | If I can't find it, I have to get a letter signed by my commanding officer saying "Yes, this guy is a dumbass. Give him a new CAC card." |
| 01:14.29 | petemc | 8 gig boot partition? |
| 01:15.25 | enouf | Red_Cloud: do you intend to install an OS onto it? .. and if /boot only .. you don't need 8GB |
| 01:15.59 | enouf | Red_Cloud: you can just install the whole Debian install onto 8GB |
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| 01:16.15 | Red_Cloud | enouf yes I will install debian from scratch in this partition |
| 01:16.23 | enouf | Red_Cloud: easiest .. auto-partitioning throuight the installer |
| 01:16.33 | petemc | Red_Cloud: you dont need to worry about the bootable flag |
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| 01:17.36 | Red_Cloud | then all I need to do is make sure that I have the created free space and then use the partition in the install CD to create a partition and install into it? |
| 01:19.05 | petemc | you only need to create a partition once |
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| 01:20.03 | enouf | Red_Cloud: the utility partman on the installer (d-i) will scan and recognize, and present you with options |
| 01:20.15 | EmleyMoor | Trying to make install on zaptel-source gives "udevinfo: command not found" - what do I need to install for that? (about to check the obvious) |
| 01:20.24 | Red_Cloud | enouf then I am about to install. |
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| 01:20.44 | enouf | Red_Cloud: you could have done all this through the installer itself :-) (depending) |
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| 01:22.00 | Red_Cloud | enouf, but I would not have learned as much , thanks to you and your kind of knowledge. Sometimes the easy way is not the best way in which I learn |
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| 01:23.01 | enouf | bows in humbleness :-) |
| 01:23.47 | Red_Cloud | you fellows do not realize how some folks like to crash into things in order to learn |
| 01:24.10 | petemc | consulting the install guide would help too.. |
| 01:25.05 | Sudo|Faderhval | uhm... sorry for this stupid question but what is a "naked" server and a "desktop" server? |
| 01:26.07 | enouf | a Desktop would install a DE as well as base-config stuff .. I guess |
| 01:26.43 | enouf | Fill blown X and Gnome likely |
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| 01:28.34 | Da_FBi | hey hey |
| 01:29.14 | no_err | wah wah wah |
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| 01:29.31 | Sudo|Faderhval | Righto! thank you! |
| 01:29.47 | Linux50 | hello everyone. I just installed debian on my buffalo (nas) linkstation using a mips version. Im rather new to debian. Where is the config file for eth0 kept? I know that on red hat its kept in /etc/sysconfig /network-script/ifcfg-eth0 but this linux lacks that. |
| 01:30.01 | petemc | Linux50: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:30.42 | Linux50 | ty |
| 01:30.47 | Da_FBi | Quick question, Does debian support Madwifi or Madwifi-ng with the install package? |
| 01:33.06 | krakajak | Linux50: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:33.48 | Linux50 | ty |
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| 01:52.27 | Linux50 | i just installed samba as a daemon. How do i restart samba? |
| 01:52.43 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.01 | Linux50 | lol |
| 01:53.09 | Linux50 | im used to /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb restart |
| 01:53.11 | Linux50 | :) |
| 01:53.33 | epsilon | same thing, rc.d* stuff is linked to the init.d script |
| 01:53.52 | george | Linux50: then you're used to some other OS... btw, samba should be running if you are running debian and you installed it |
| 01:54.24 | george | configured, started, working, running, waiting around for you to do something to it, yawning if you dont |
| 01:54.27 | Linux50 | george. Today is day one for me on debian. I just installed debian on my "mips" cpu nas server |
| 01:54.39 | Linux50 | no it was not installed by default |
| 01:54.44 | Linux50 | had to do a apt-get |
| 01:55.04 | Linux50 | this debian version is not a i386 version. Its a mips version |
| 01:55.17 | Linux50 | its pretty awesome |
| 01:55.55 | Linux50 | buffalo linkstation = reflashed firmware with debian. Now it works like a normal debian machine. firmware was 46 mbs |
| 01:56.04 | george | yes, I realize that... but once you did the apt-get, if it's like most debian packages containing servers of one kind or another, the packaging should have: (1) arranged for it to start on boot and (2) started it immediately |
| 01:56.30 | Linux50 | it did. But i still dont know where everything is at |
| 01:56.45 | george | oh :) that's a different problem :) |
| 01:56.56 | george | (just so's ya know :) |
| 01:57.02 | Linux50 | :) okay |
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| 01:57.57 | george | you shouldn't have any problem finding things... take a look in /usr/share/doc sometime... you will find a dir named for each package |
| 01:58.30 | Linux50 | okay |
| 01:58.32 | Linux50 | thanks |
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| 01:59.34 | george | the /usr/share dir contains things that are like scripts, that is they don't contain native machine code... maybe they're runnable maybe not, but they should do their thing (whatever that is) on any platform |
| 02:00.21 | george | if you're into kernel compilin, look into the package "kernel-package" |
| 02:01.05 | george | but you'll find the debian kernel image packages to be satisfactory most of the time (and if you use them, help is easier to come by because it's easier to give) |
| 02:01.42 | george | (debian advocates should be writing this down... it's really good stuff!! :) |
| 02:01.44 | h3sp4wn | If you are using a buffalo linkstation compiling a kernel and getting it flashed right it likely to be alot more difficult |
| 02:03.14 | george | h3sp4wn: hmm, which he is |
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| 02:04.27 | george | that would be an example of help being MUCH MUCH easier to give |
| 02:04.29 | case1 | anyone in here ever setup a VNC reflector or VNC proxy? I'm trying to setup a server my friends and fam can connect to and then I can connect to it so I can VNC into their systems. Anybody know how to do that or what would be the best way to set that up? |
| 02:04.30 | Linux50 | Hey david prock asked me to ask you guys something, Is that permitted? |
| 02:04.43 | george | is that what he's asking?? |
| 02:04.45 | george | :) |
| 02:04.57 | Deepa | When all you have is a Swiss Army Knife, every problem looks like email. |
| 02:05.03 | Linux50 | lol. no. I just dont want to get band for being his proxy |
| 02:05.16 | Linux50 | tell the room that i dont know enough on irc to send text ((put that part in your own words)) and say i have a Ati-All-in-Wonder 8500DV Video Card and im useing Debian 3.1R3 and i need help seting it towork proply, have them private message me |
| 02:05.47 | george | I can provide you with a band... I can establish rehersal with full band -tomorrow- if needed |
| 02:05.59 | george | ohh,, -banned- |
| 02:06.01 | george | sorry :) |
| 02:06.30 | Linux50 | are you making fun of me? |
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| 02:06.33 | Linux50 | lol |
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| 02:06.48 | george | no! but I am making fun! |
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| 02:08.42 | george | Linux50: that's a fairly unrecent card, so probably well supported... can he not come in here himself? if no, why? |
| 02:12.35 | Linux50 | he is in here. He said he just cant seem type anything in here, is the user required to be registered? |
| 02:13.11 | Linux50 | sorry for my grammar |
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| 02:14.22 | george | Linux50: oh, what's his nick |
| 02:14.37 | Linux50 | DavidProck1981, |
| 02:14.52 | george | any ops around can look at that? |
| 02:15.13 | george | ohh! I know why already, and have a solution too |
| 02:15.37 | george | david: you're in as root; could you come back as not-root? |
| 02:15.42 | dondelelcaro | Linux50: who is this? If they're not root@, they could /msg me. |
| 02:15.54 | george | dondelelcaro: root |
| 02:16.05 | george | DavidProck1981 |
| 02:16.18 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: /quit, and rejoin as a non-root user. |
| 02:16.53 | Linux50 | i told him that but he didnt listen |
| 02:17.01 | xunil420 | can anyone tell me how tosave knoppix settings on a cd-rw for latter use? |
| 02:17.13 | dondelelcaro | xunil420: #knoppix can |
| 02:17.26 | xunil420 | ya |
| 02:17.37 | Linux50 | were is the file for the smbusers stored at? |
| 02:17.48 | xunil420 | none of those fucks are answerin |
| 02:17.49 | wireddd | is there a debian specific how-to for lirc somewhere? |
| 02:17.52 | dondelelcaro | Linux50: depends on your smb.conf |
| 02:17.57 | Deepa | lirc? |
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| 02:18.05 | Deepa | imho irssi > * |
| 02:18.14 | Deepa | if graphical is needed, xchat > * |
| 02:18.19 | Linux50 | my smb is in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 02:18.24 | wireddd | Deepa irssi isn't going to make my remote work now is it |
| 02:18.27 | dondelelcaro | Linux50: in debian, it defaults to /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 02:18.39 | Deepa | wireddd: lirc isnt a irc client then i guess? |
| 02:18.45 | Linux50 | yeah. Its not there. Ill around |
| 02:18.54 | george | Linux50: can lead a horse to water... just let him know that root has been "quieted" for years now |
| 02:19.10 | wireddd | no its for ir remote controlls |
| 02:19.18 | xunil420 | they are all not talking |
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| 02:19.30 | george | oh, there he is :) |
| 02:19.33 | Deepa | well...uh... |
| 02:19.35 | Deepa | perl can do magic! |
| 02:19.46 | Deepa | :) |
| 02:19.52 | george | aka C callbacks :P |
| 02:19.56 | xunil420 | n i don't kow shit about linux yet |
| 02:19.57 | DavidProck1981 | am i root now, can u see my text |
| 02:20.13 | DavidProck1981 | hello |
| 02:20.15 | george | DavidProck1981: nope, can't see a thing! |
| 02:20.23 | george | (yes I can) |
| 02:20.29 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 02:20.37 | george | !test |
| 02:20.37 | dpkg | Sorry, george, I didn't get your test. |
| 02:20.47 | DavidProck1981 | can can u help me with my card |
| 02:21.09 | george | not personally... got a session I have to be at in an hour |
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| 02:22.53 | DavidProck1981 | does any have a Ati-All-in-Winder 8500DV Video Card, with the tv tuner |
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| 02:24.00 | george | DavidProck1981: one thing, that will likely be handled by helpers as several devices... probly get em all going, but one at a timn |
| 02:25.17 | DavidProck1981 | well check this out , i installed windows just for a little bit so i can test a game because........ |
| 02:26.09 | DavidProck1981 | with my software that come on the cd with my card if i dont install it the game say the card is to old and...... |
| 02:26.34 | pickcoder | how do I change the system language? |
| 02:26.43 | pickcoder | I've done dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:26.51 | pickcoder | and rebooted |
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| 02:28.10 | DavidProck1981 | with the software on the cd i get the game to work <<and i see textures on the sides on the walls ((ill explane that parn in a min))>> but i get 0 FPS |
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| 02:28.50 | DavidProck1981 | not i get up dated software from thire sight and all is perfict, Now on linux....... |
| 02:29.04 | DavidProck1981 | now* i get |
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| 02:29.34 | unseensoul | hi |
| 02:29.41 | Red_Cloud | enouf, if I already have a swap do I still need to initialize the swap partition by issuing the following command mkswap -f /dev/hda5 (Where /dev/hda5 is my swap partition)? and mount the swap partition using: |
| 02:29.41 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.09 | Red_Cloud | " swapon /dev/hda5"? |
| 02:31.31 | enouf | if you had a good swap entry in /etc/fstab .. you're good to go .. check using 'dmesg | grep swap' |
| 02:31.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ^^ |
| 02:31.47 | enouf | Red_Cloud: here'sthe ouput on mine ; |
| 02:31.49 | enouf | dmesg | grep swap |
| 02:31.49 | enouf | Adding 401584k swap on /dev/hdc5. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:401584k |
| 02:32.41 | DavidProck1981 | on linux when i dont install any drivers on SuSe and enable the 3D accellaration the game works i get good FPS but no textures that r virticle or at a angle, , now when i install the drivers the textures are all prefict but 0 FPS and i find out that the drivers only work on Debina and systems based on it |
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| 02:32.53 | Red_Cloud | enouf, thanks |
| 02:32.59 | enouf | Red_Cloud: also cat /proc/swaps |
| 02:33.04 | enouf | Red_Cloud: $ cat /proc/swaps |
| 02:33.04 | enouf | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 02:33.06 | enouf | /dev/hdc5 partition 401584 98368 -1 |
| 02:33.14 | DavidProck1981 | so im not on suse any more , im useing Debian 3.1R3 right onw |
| 02:33.29 | enouf | I wi;ll top pasting now .. it's a BIG no-no .. so don't do it :-p |
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| 02:34.16 | enouf | s/top/stop |
| 02:34.19 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.22 | DavidProck1981 | did u get all that george |
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| 02:36.36 | DavidProck1981 | but another game i like is armagetron and it dont display wright |
| 02:36.49 | DavidProck1981 | with out the drivers it does |
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| 02:37.23 | enouf | !info libsdl-mixer1.2 sarge |
| 02:37.27 | dpkg | libsdl-mixer1.2: (mixer library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.6-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 02:37.49 | enouf | DavidProck1981: if that's the issue .. ^^^ there's the pkg |
| 02:37.52 | DavidProck1981 | can dome one help me the the libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 so i can get Cube2 working so i will have a better idia of what is going on with my card |
| 02:38.06 | enouf | is that a Powerpc? |
| 02:38.16 | nvz | Cube2? wasnt that some weird movie |
| 02:38.21 | DavidProck1981 | how do i install it apt-get |
| 02:38.32 | enouf | apt-get install apt |
| 02:38.35 | enouf | haha |
| 02:38.38 | enouf | sorry |
| 02:38.42 | nvz | meh |
| 02:39.28 | pickcoder | I can't read french |
| 02:39.30 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:39.51 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install libsdl-mixer1.2 sarge |
| 02:39.52 | DavidProck1981 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:39.52 | DavidProck1981 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:39.52 | DavidProck1981 | E: Couldn't find package sarge |
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| 02:40.05 | enouf | weeeeeee |
| 02:40.34 | nvz | if you put a babelfish in your ear to understand spoken languages, where do you put it to understand written languages :P |
| 02:41.10 | Asymmetry | Your EYE. |
| 02:41.20 | enouf | use it as a paper weight? |
| 02:41.20 | Asymmetry | But then you can't see, so I dunno. |
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| 02:41.59 | pickcoder | so far I'm impressed with dedibox |
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| 02:42.06 | enouf | pickcoder : could also dpkg-reconfigure locale{s} for user only |
| 02:42.12 | DavidProck1981 | hello |
| 02:42.14 | pickcoder | enouf: this is a hosted box |
| 02:42.26 | enouf | apt-get install libsdl-mixer1.2 |
| 02:42.32 | enouf | no sarge |
| 02:42.43 | enouf | pickcoder: okie |
| 02:42.57 | DavidProck1981 | sorry i did know that a post of 4 small lines of text would get me kicked |
| 02:43.09 | enouf | now you know .. |
| 02:43.13 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 02:43.19 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: it's the speed they were pasted |
| 02:43.33 | DavidProck1981 | i just did it once |
| 02:43.46 | nvz | its called an eggdrop bot, its just doing its job |
| 02:44.11 | nvz | you are an irc user, your job is to read the /topic |
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| 02:44.38 | pickcoder | nvz: what's IRC? |
| 02:44.46 | DavidProck1981 | oh that is why i could not get i was keeping the SDL caped |
| 02:44.47 | pickcoder | *snicker* |
| 02:44.56 | enouf | I recall correctly |
| 02:45.12 | pickcoder | oo. that would leave a splatter |
| 02:45.17 | nvz | !yinzersmite enouf |
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| 02:45.44 | nvz | my smite is way overdue for an overhaul |
| 02:45.47 | enouf | hey! no german curse words! |
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| 02:46.10 | DavidProck1981 | dang not it is missing libstdc++.so.6, why so much, it worked on all other distros |
| 02:46.15 | DavidProck1981 | now* |
| 02:46.37 | enouf | !tell DavidProck1981 about debian mantra |
| 02:46.53 | DavidProck1981 | mantra??? |
| 02:47.09 | enouf | !MantaRay |
| 02:47.15 | enouf | :-p |
| 02:49.17 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install libstdc++.so.6 does not work to get what can i do |
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| 02:59.26 | DavidProck1981 | has any one played sauerbraten AKA Cube 2, it has worked on all the distros i have tried except for Debian, u can go to http://sauerbraten.org/ for more info about tha game, Can someone that is good at fixing dependices and likes 3D shootem up games get that game and tell me what u did / do to get it giong |
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| 03:01.37 | DavidProck1981 | will any one try to help me get it going, for one i like the game a lot and second, to see if my video card is doing what is supposed to do |
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| 03:04.51 | pstickne | DavidProck1981, first thing is to make sure you're using the correct driver in X and GLX, etc is working. |
| 03:04.58 | pstickne | (assuming you're using X) |
| 03:05.13 | pstickne | glxinfo is helpful here |
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| 03:09.21 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 03:09.26 | DavidProck1981 | so run glxinfo |
| 03:09.31 | brunner | sorry, I'm using a gaim beta |
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| 03:10.19 | abrotman | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 03:10.49 | DavidProck1981 | direct rendering: No |
| 03:11.00 | DavidProck1981 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirec |
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| 03:11.18 | DavidProck1981 | what does that mean |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | it's not working |
| 03:11.36 | DavidProck1981 | so what do i do |
| 03:11.58 | pstickne | chances are you aren't using the correct ati/nvidia driver. |
| 03:12.06 | DavidProck1981 | i am |
| 03:12.19 | abrotman | the x log might help |
| 03:12.28 | DavidProck1981 | got the one for the radion 8500DV |
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| 03:12.42 | DavidProck1981 | off the sight |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | the one? you don't need anything for that IIRC |
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| 03:13.16 | DavidProck1981 | where is the x log and what do i do with it |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | read it |
| 03:13.54 | DavidProck1981 | where is it |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | where the rest of the logs are |
| 03:14.22 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know wher any r |
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| 03:15.09 | unseensoul | brasero/gtoaster...which is better? |
| 03:15.16 | enouf | !tell DavidProck1981 about search |
| 03:15.30 | abrotman | unseensoul: try them both .. let us know |
| 03:15.54 | unseensoul | abrotman: :) |
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| 03:19.01 | enouf | DavidProck1981: in /var/log |
| 03:19.08 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 03:20.14 | pstickne | exactly what patches does debian apply to FF? |
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| 03:20.43 | abrotman | look at the changelog |
| 03:21.01 | DavidProck1981 | the XFree86.0.log |
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| 03:21.43 | DavidProck1981 | what part of it would help u help me |
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| 03:22.27 | enouf | grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:22.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:22.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:23.00 | enouf | DavidProck1981: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:23.08 | enouf | !we |
| 03:23.08 | dpkg | we are going to replace you soon, or human, or the GNU fighers |
| 03:23.18 | enouf | fighers? |
| 03:23.52 | DavidProck1981 | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 03:23.55 | DavidProck1981 | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:24.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:24.04 | DavidProck1981 | (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | STOP STOP STOP |
| 03:24.11 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | i don't think fglrx is for the 8500 |
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| 03:24.42 | enouf | !knoppixsmite DavidProck1981 |
| 03:25.02 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
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| 03:26.22 | DavidProck1981 | if ozone that comes out of cars could reacch the ozone layer directly it would be a good thing |
| 03:26.38 | DavidProck1981 | woild fill in the hold |
| 03:26.39 | abrotman | ozone doesn't come out of cars |
| 03:27.01 | DavidProck1981 | ya it does, not the natrual one thow |
| 03:27.15 | dondelelcaro | uh... ozone is a chemical. Doesn't matter how it's made. |
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| 03:27.47 | abrotman | CO comes from cars .. ozone is O2 (or O3 don't remember) |
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| 03:28.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: O3 |
| 03:28.06 | abrotman | i was close! |
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| 03:28.17 | sid | Nov 10 22:25:01 bluebox kernel: [17213193.692000] usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
| 03:28.18 | DavidProck1981 | all that Smog u see in NYC is ozone gass, along with other junk |
| 03:28.20 | sid | Nov 10 22:25:01 bluebox kernel: [17213193.828000] usb 4-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 03:28.25 | abrotman | considering i haven't had chemistry in ... 13 years or so |
| 03:28.31 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: Ozone is pretty much colorless; you can't see it. |
| 03:28.43 | sid | I plugged in a Creative Vision w handheld device, and I wanted to dump a movie on it with Debian, but it doesn't show up in fidks -l, and I can't mount it then. |
| 03:28.45 | DavidProck1981 | oh maby im wrong then |
| 03:28.49 | sid | and it wasn't automatically recognized. |
| 03:29.06 | quebee | when compiling a new kernel for te first time where do i find in what file the tools needed for that kernel? |
| 03:29.18 | enouf | o3 is used for the sterilzation of food stuffs .. but maybe is also a by-product of hydrogen fuel that would then be used in cars? |
| 03:29.32 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it's a very minor by-product of incomplete combustion |
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| 03:29.42 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ahh .. ok I see |
| 03:29.56 | dondelelcaro | enouf: complete combustion leads to just water (in the case of hydrogen) and water and carbon dioxide (in the case of gasoline) |
| 03:29.59 | DavidProck1981 | im missing libstdc++.so.6 how do i get it |
| 03:30.20 | abrotman | i thought cars were CO .. not CO2 |
| 03:30.21 | enouf | dondelelcaro: righto |
| 03:30.26 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install libstdc++.so.6 does not work |
| 03:30.28 | enouf | monoxide |
| 03:30.32 | enouf | I think |
| 03:30.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nope; mostly CO2; CO is a incomplete combustion product. |
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| 03:30.58 | abrotman | i thought you died from CO poisoning when you piped the tailpipe into the cabin |
| 03:31.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yerp, that's because it's a minor product |
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| 03:31.14 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 03:31.15 | rohan | how big, in mb's, are all the "base" packages combined ? |
| 03:31.27 | rohan | !hi @ stranger_stone |
| 03:31.29 | abrotman | but if CO2 is the major byproduct .. wouldn't you just die of suffocation ? |
| 03:31.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if it was major, we'd be dying everytime a car drove by. [CO outcompetes O2 by a few orders of magnitude in haemoglobin] |
| 03:31.38 | pickcoder | hydrogen produces water and CO2 |
| 03:31.38 | dendrite | abrotman: It takes very little CO to hurt you, since your system grabs CO and keeps it. |
| 03:31.43 | DavidProck1981 | well well liik at what i got started |
| 03:31.46 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: no, it doesn't. |
| 03:31.50 | DavidProck1981 | about the ozone lol |
| 03:31.51 | stranger_stone | rohan :) |
| 03:31.54 | rohan | stranger_stone: ;) |
| 03:32.01 | enouf | dendrite: ouch |
| 03:32.07 | rohan | stranger_stone: didn't work out .. dpkg hates me :D |
| 03:32.10 | enouf | like wax ..huh? |
| 03:32.22 | dendrite | pickcoder: If H2 and O2 combine to create CO2, where does the C come from. |
| 03:32.27 | stranger_stone | lol |
| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: unless you're burning up parts of the engine, there's no carbon to burn. |
| 03:32.44 | enouf | DavidProck1981: it's much more interesting than you silly game .. lol |
| 03:32.50 | enouf | your* |
| 03:32.58 | DavidProck1981 | it is a dependicy |
| 03:33.11 | DavidProck1981 | is not silly |
| 03:33.19 | rohan | so anyway, how big are the components of base going to be ? i am using debootstrap to install the system, but it is not telling me how many mb's will it need to download .. |
| 03:33.25 | DavidProck1981 | is kind of close to Q3A |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | rohan: 150-200MB maybe ? |
| 03:33.39 | dondelelcaro | rohan: depends on what version, and when you download it. |
| 03:33.41 | rohan | abrotman: ok.. thanks :) |
| 03:33.45 | dondelelcaro | rohan: the exact size changes daily |
| 03:33.52 | rohan | dondelelcaro: now, etch. i just want an approximate |
| 03:33.55 | enouf | pickcoder: hydrogen fuel cells produce H2 and O |
| 03:34.01 | dondelelcaro | (if we're talking about sid or testing, anyway) |
| 03:34.13 | dendrite | enouf: O2; O also dimerizes. |
| 03:34.14 | DavidProck1981 | just tell me what do i type to get libstdc++.so.6 |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | rohan: oh . .the packages? i thought you meant the installed size |
| 03:34.28 | dendrite | enouf: Oh, you mean water. |
| 03:34.31 | dondelelcaro | !+find libstdc++.so.6 |
| 03:34.32 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:34.33 | jdjs69 | apt-get install libstdc++6 |
| 03:34.33 | rohan | abrotman: oh, no |
| 03:34.37 | enouf | dendrite: yep |
| 03:34.42 | rohan | abrotman: just the size of all the downloaded packages |
| 03:34.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.6' returned no results. |
| 03:34.53 | dendrite | enouf: Evil and dangerous di-hydrogen oxide... |
| 03:35.05 | dondelelcaro | no dihydrogenmonoxide for you. |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | how about some mustard? |
| 03:35.40 | enouf | dendrite: double-ouch |
| 03:35.51 | dendrite | =) |
| 03:35.52 | enouf | DavidProck1981: apt-file search libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 03:35.58 | quebee | when compiling a new kernel for te first time where do i find in what file the tools needed for that kernel? |
| 03:36.05 | DavidProck1981 | thank you jdjs69 VERY MUCH, to the rest of u now whasnt that simple |
| 03:36.09 | rohan | oh, and, anyone here with an i810 got the graphical installer working ? because i810 doesnt support the vga framebuffer, it is unable to use the graphical installer. if someone else experiences this too, i will file a bug for it |
| 03:36.15 | enouf | DavidProck1981: I don't know which pkg you need though .. it's not clear .. |
| 03:36.29 | rohan | abrotman: so, the downloaded packgages will be about 70-80mb ? |
| 03:36.31 | enouf | DavidProck1981: AND .. where 's your cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:36.47 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | rohan: maybe? dunno .. never checked .. the netinst is what .. 140MB ? |
| 03:36.56 | enouf | DavidProck1981: dpkg already told you (via me) how to use search |
| 03:37.11 | enouf | ubuntu users .. meh |
| 03:37.13 | rohan | abrotman: yeah, ~120mb .. |
| 03:37.39 | rohan | enouf: how would you know that DavidProck1981 is a ubuntu user ? |
| 03:37.46 | DavidProck1981 | apt-file search libstdc++.so.6 does not do any thuing |
| 03:38.04 | enouf | oh .. it is obvios "libstdc++6" -- heh .. I overlooked that one |
| 03:38.15 | enouf | Install apt-file |
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| 03:38.25 | Pascat | Hellos! |
| 03:38.27 | DavidProck1981 | im useing Debian 3.1R3 NOT ubuntu |
| 03:38.28 | enouf | !tell DavidProck1981 about search |
| 03:38.39 | enouf | DavidProck1981: that's twice now |
| 03:38.40 | rohan | enouf: see ? :P |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | apt-file does find it |
| 03:39.05 | enouf | rohan: it's always when they have troubles posting the output of debian_version |
| 03:39.20 | rohan | enouf: hehe .. true ;) |
| 03:39.38 | Pascat | I'm having issues with 'mkdosfs' ... I tried to use it to reformat my HDD to a FAT32 partition(Its a USB Backup HDD To carry files back home on a windows system) and .. yeah, 'disks-admin' won't even detect a partition anymore... I think I did something wrong there... |
| 03:39.50 | rohan | enouf: but ubuntu has /etc/debian_version as testing/unstable, right ? |
| 03:40.05 | enouf | rohan : don;'t think so no |
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| 03:40.17 | enouf | rohan: they don;t have testing/stable names |
| 03:40.42 | enouf | rohan: better is to ask for either uname -r , and/or cat /proc/version |
| 03:40.52 | enouf | uname -a maybe |
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| 03:41.38 | enouf | Pascat: man mkdosfs? |
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| 03:41.57 | enouf | Pascat: use the -F 32 option? |
| 03:42.02 | Pascat | ... I 'tried' making it work with that... but I think I didn't figure it out... |
| 03:42.02 | rohan | enouf: ok ... |
| 03:42.12 | DavidProck1981 | ok the game works now the textrure look like what thet supposed to but i get 0 FPS |
| 03:42.31 | Pascat | mkdosfs -v -F 32 -f 1 -n "USB Backup" /dev/sdb |
| 03:42.45 | enouf | DavidProck1981: what's telling you 0 FPS? glxgears? |
| 03:42.49 | DavidProck1981 | and with out the drivers i can get 199 FPS |
| 03:43.06 | Red_Cloud | enouf what would be the best kernel image to install? |
| 03:43.23 | DavidProck1981 | 1130 frames in 5.0 seconds = 226.000 FPS |
| 03:43.27 | enouf | Red_Cloud: depends on what your needs are .. |
| 03:44.05 | DavidProck1981 | compair this ................. |
| 03:44.06 | enouf | Pascat: I'd have to review rthe man pages to see what's up .. is /dev/sdb mounted? what errors are you getting |
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| 03:44.30 | Red_Cloud | enouf I will be installing on a desktop home computer, and the packages will be etch distro |
| 03:44.37 | Pascat | it prints everything to be successful... |
| 03:44.41 | DavidProck1981 | in windows if i use the software on the cd that came with the card it does the same thing , i have to get an update on line |
| 03:44.52 | enouf | Red_Cloud: 2.6.16 .. and up to .18 are fine |
| 03:45.04 | DavidProck1981 | but i dont what no keep windows |
| 03:45.09 | Pascat | and I can't mount it, the filesystem is corrupt O.o |
| 03:45.24 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I believe Etch (d-i) now ships wirth 2.6.17 |
| 03:46.20 | enouf | Red_Cloud: but you're using a dfs (Debian from scratch) version right, not a typical d-i |
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| 03:47.06 | DavidProck1981 | why would i get 0 in the game and 200 some in glxgears |
| 03:47.17 | DavidProck1981 | fps that is |
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| 03:47.32 | fuxxy | does the ftpd package make the user and group 'ftp' ? |
| 03:47.38 | zinx | DavidProck1981: Because your CPU is capable of doing 200FPS in glxgears. |
| 03:47.39 | superjon | I'm trying to match Super.John@company.com with a regex in an ssh key and having some probs |
| 03:47.42 | fuxxy | I'm not comfortable manually adding the ftp user myself. (I dont want it to interfere with whatever the ftpd package makes) |
| 03:47.47 | enouf | Pascat: is that needed data? .. if not , wipe it (the partition anyways) and try again |
| 03:47.54 | superjon | $key =~ /(.\ *[[:alpha:]]*\.*[[:alpha:]]\@company.com$)/; only matches .John@company.com |
| 03:48.00 | zinx | DavidProck1981: glxgears is a rather simple OpenGL app |
| 03:48.02 | Pascat | how do I wipe partitions anyways? |
| 03:48.12 | enouf | Pascat: maybe run a fsck on it .. but not while it's mounted |
| 03:48.12 | Pascat | O.o |
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| 03:48.41 | enouf | Pascat: using the Debian installer .. or a gparted LiveCD (or similar utility) |
| 03:48.49 | Red_Cloud | enouf yep debian from scratch. I have looked at the package list and did not see the kernel version. I will look again and see what is there |
| 03:48.56 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell if i gave the correct ver of open gl or mesa that is needed by my video drivers |
| 03:49.03 | Pascat | I see... |
| 03:49.08 | Pascat | so I need to reboot to do that >< |
| 03:49.08 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I think you are goig to need to build your own :-p |
| 03:49.17 | DavidProck1981 | if i *got* |
| 03:49.18 | enouf | Pascat: yep |
| 03:49.26 | zinx | DavidProck1981: easy. Does your game run at <1 fps? It does? Then your video drivers are misconfigured. |
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| 03:49.52 | DavidProck1981 | how do i configure them |
| 03:50.31 | DavidProck1981 | i got the ati all in wonder 8500DV |
| 03:50.34 | enouf | Red_Cloud: it's there .. under "linux-image .." |
| 03:51.20 | enouf | Red_Cloud: certain archs and headers and source too .. but sporadic |
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| 03:52.04 | enouf | !tell DavidProck1981 about ati drivers |
| 03:52.09 | Red_Cloud | enouf OK I was looking for kernel-image instead of linux image. One google link says the DFS CD, the GRUB boot manager opens with a choice of 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
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| 03:52.46 | Zweideutig | Does Debian Sarge's installer use dialog to display dialogs during the install? |
| 03:53.01 | enouf | Red_Cloud: right .. you can boot to either .. obviously 2.6 is newer |
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| 03:53.03 | Zweideutig | How does Debian Sarge's installer show dialogs? |
| 03:53.48 | abrotman | libncurses ? |
| 03:54.11 | enouf | Red_Cloud: though usually you need to say "linux26" or (expert26 for serious config) at the Boot: prompt |
| 03:54.15 | Zweideutig | But libncurses isn't even in the installer. |
| 03:54.31 | fuxxy | Zweideutig, like this: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/images/lowmem.png |
| 03:54.41 | enouf | Red_Cloud: but Etch defaults to 2.6 already .. not sure about dfs |
| 03:55.05 | DavidProck1981 | 8.26.18 is what the web sight gave me when i pick my card |
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| 03:55.47 | DavidProck1981 | mine is the 8500DV |
| 03:56.05 | abrotman | which i said before .. you don't need fglrx for |
| 03:56.08 | n3kl | Hi |
| 03:56.11 | enouf | Zweideutig: try the mailing lists and/or channel #debian-boot .. see /topic there |
| 03:56.25 | n3kl | Anybody know if there is a linux iscsi initiator ? |
| 03:56.25 | enouf | oh |
| 03:57.44 | Zweideutig | It looks like Debian Sarge uses dialog, but I didn't see anything like /usr/bin/dialog in the initrd. |
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| 03:58.43 | azeem | Zweideutig: it's slang maybe, if you're talking about the installer |
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| 03:59.21 | Zweideutig | Yeah, the installer. |
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| 04:01.30 | Zweideutig | Does the etch installer for Debian use a newer glibc version than sarge? |
| 04:01.33 | n3kl | Anyone know how to install an iscsi initiator on linux? |
| 04:01.46 | DavidProck1981 | i have the ati 8.28.8 but not the 8.28.8-3 how do i get that one |
| 04:01.56 | DavidProck1981 | i cant find a download for it |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | which i said before .. you don't need fglrx for |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | i'm going to keep saying it .. |
| 04:02.18 | abrotman | Zweideutig: yes |
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| 04:02.39 | DavidProck1981 | i really dont know waht fglrx is |
| 04:02.59 | DavidProck1981 | do i have it allready |
| 04:03.03 | Zweideutig | abrotman: Does it use glibc 2.5? |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | $ /lib/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6, by Roland McGrath et al. |
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| 04:04.33 | azeem | Zweideutig: why should it use 2.5? |
| 04:05.36 | Zweideutig | azeem: Well, it would make it easier. The machine I am compiling on has glibc 2.5. |
| 04:05.49 | azeem | eh? |
| 04:05.52 | abrotman | 2.3.5 or 2.5? |
| 04:06.01 | azeem | Zweideutig: what are you compiling? |
| 04:07.16 | Zweideutig | "GNU C Library stable release 2.5" |
| 04:07.18 | fuxxy | If I make a user via the 'useradd' tool,with the shell set to /bin/false, and do not specify a password, how insecure is it? I know the system accounts do not have passwords specified either. |
| 04:07.36 | Zweideutig | azeem: dialog and ncurses. |
| 04:07.43 | azeem | Zweideutig: why? |
| 04:07.55 | azeem | and what does that have to do with the installer? |
| 04:08.08 | Zweideutig | azeem: Not much at all. I'm just bored. |
| 04:08.15 | azeem | Zweideutig: uh huh# |
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| 04:08.32 | azeem | Zweideutig: looks like you're asking in the wrong channel then |
| 04:08.39 | azeem | this channel is about real problems |
| 04:08.59 | DavidProck1981 | is this what i need it is not the 8.28.8-3 thow, this is what i got and used, or is there a better one, http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-firegl-prer200.html |
| 04:09.07 | Zweideutig | azeem: This is the most relevant channel. |
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| 04:09.17 | azeem | Zweideutig: tough luck then |
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| 04:09.47 | Zweideutig | azeem: I don't see the harm. |
| 04:10.11 | azeem | Zweideutig: well, you wasted my time trying to figure what your problem was |
| 04:10.27 | azeem | but I was processing buildd mail anyway, so indeed, no big harm |
| 04:10.32 | azeem | good night y'all |
| 04:10.55 | u221e | My cat walked on the keyboard and some key combination was pressed to lock the ctrl key to be on all the time... I restarted and it fixed the problem. Is this a bug or some feature that I am not aware of? |
| 04:11.16 | n3kl | Anyone here use iscsi? |
| 04:11.57 | abrotman | u221e: sticky keys ? |
| 04:12.05 | Zweideutig | u221e: That's because keyboards weren't designed for cats to walk over. |
| 04:12.15 | abrotman | !tell n3kl about polls |
| 04:12.19 | u221e | That is true. |
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| 04:13.19 | itchi | Which tools i need to save the battery and scale the duo core processor? |
| 04:13.29 | Zweideutig | If you're worried about it happening again, drop the cat off a few hundred miles from home. |
| 04:13.53 | n3kl | abrotman: understood |
| 04:14.05 | Zweideutig | itchi: Well, do you have suspend to RAM working? |
| 04:14.18 | Guerin | Zweideutig: depending on the cat, it could need more than that |
| 04:14.22 | psychonate | or just place the cat near the piano instead, to keep it occupied |
| 04:14.42 | itchi | Zweideutig: I not yet did somethings to get that working. I need to look what that is b |
| 04:14.49 | Zweideutig | Guerin: You can always drop the cat off in /dev/null |
| 04:14.52 | n3kl | How do you setup iscsi in debian. I installed open-iscsi. All the tutorials and information on the web indicate commands such as iscsi-ls, commands `which` I do not have. Does anybody know if there is a package that I am missing or something? Help |
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| 04:15.01 | Guerin | Zweideutig: i find parking is a hassle. |
| 04:15.10 | Zweideutig | heheh |
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| 04:17.24 | Pascat | therealbigusdick, I got the partition ... |
| 04:17.32 | itchi | Zweideutig: At first place, i just want t scale the processor when on batery. Like actually he only runs for 1:30 with Debian and with Win32 it is 3:30 |
| 04:17.33 | Pascat | ...woa |
| 04:17.42 | Pascat | what was ...that? |
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| 04:18.37 | Zweideutig | Pascat: Cursory use of nick completion is dangerous. :) |
| 04:19.26 | Zweideutig | itchi: You need support for CPU throttling in your kernel. |
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| 04:19.57 | Zweideutig | itchi: I can't remember, you can probably find out on Google. |
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| 04:21.46 | u221e | Does anyone use window maker? I've thought about giving it a try. |
| 04:22.15 | itchi | Zweideutig: Is there not need to load an module? Or need we to recompile the kernel? |
| 04:22.21 | Zweideutig | u221e: TWM is the only window manager you will ever need. |
| 04:22.53 | Pascat | Ok, I managed to create a FAT32 partition right... but now ROOT can't access it, in fact, only I can... and I can't set permissions either, or 'rename' it... |
| 04:22.55 | Zweideutig | itchi: You can load the applicable module(s) if you have them. |
| 04:23.03 | itchi | Zweideutig: I was thinking to use cpufreqdl; if i get that working |
| 04:23.13 | Zweideutig | Yeah. |
| 04:23.44 | itchi | Zweideutig: Tomorow gona give it again an try an pastebin the error where i fail |
| 04:24.11 | Zweideutig | After getting the Thinkpad T60 with a nine cell battery and 2 GHz Core Duo, I get about five hours even though the CPU cores are at 2 GHz. |
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| 04:24.33 | Zweideutig | So I haven't done this kind of thing in a while. |
| 04:24.34 | sid | I have a Creative Vision w handheld player.(audio/video), it has an arm board inside it...is it possible to format the thing with Debian? |
| 04:24.41 | rupy | hi guy |
| 04:24.44 | rupy | guys* |
| 04:24.59 | sid | sup rupy |
| 04:25.06 | rupy | could anyone think of a reason why the left channel on my notebook crackls |
| 04:25.10 | rupy | crackels* |
| 04:25.19 | rupy | it does it intermittentlu |
| 04:25.28 | mick_home | sound? |
| 04:25.34 | mick_home | i've had that on a laptop |
| 04:25.44 | mick_home | no idea why that happened |
| 04:25.44 | sid | same |
| 04:25.44 | rupy | its definitely not hardware, cos if i plugin headphones the left chan distorts as well |
| 04:25.51 | mick_home | but newer drivers fixed it |
| 04:25.55 | rupy | if i reboot it goes away - sometimes |
| 04:26.04 | mick_home | ya, that is what i had |
| 04:26.06 | rupy | but other times it boots up and does it :'( |
| 04:26.14 | rupy | might be related to acpi ? |
| 04:26.17 | mick_home | actually it was an OS upgrade to be exact |
| 04:26.26 | mick_home | so i'm not sure what actually fixed it |
| 04:26.48 | mick_home | rupy: if you are lucky there will be a log |
| 04:26.50 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way i can compair 2 files to tell if they r the same |
| 04:26.56 | rupy | drivers for alsa? or just general new drivers? |
| 04:27.05 | mick_home | DavidProck1981: md5 |
| 04:27.05 | rupy | mick_home: where can i check log? |
| 04:27.13 | DavidProck1981 | how |
| 04:27.15 | mick_home | rupy: /var/log/* |
| 04:27.18 | DavidProck1981 | do i use it |
| 04:27.24 | abrotman | man md5sum |
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| 04:27.35 | mick_home | DavidProck1981: what type of file is it? |
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| 04:27.42 | DavidProck1981 | a driver |
| 04:27.47 | rupy | mick_home: hehe yeah i know /var/log, but where do i start looking? |
| 04:27.54 | mick_home | oh, ya then md5 |
| 04:28.07 | DavidProck1981 | a .run file |
| 04:28.32 | DavidProck1981 | bbl |
| 04:28.35 | mick_home | it creates a unique hash of the files contents -- if both files create the same string it is 99.9% identical |
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| 04:29.27 | mick_home | 99.9% of the time* |
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| 04:30.35 | mick_home | besides the "Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO" is there a wiki version of an HCL? (or something annotated) |
| 04:30.57 | rupy | how do i check what sound drivers/modules i have loaded? |
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| 04:31.56 | mick_home | lspci (i think) or was it modprobe... |
| 04:32.10 | enouf | lsmod |
| 04:32.16 | mick_home | that is the one :) |
| 04:32.25 | rupy | i know lsmod |
| 04:32.31 | rupy | but again - what am i looking for :/ |
| 04:33.29 | Asymmetry | mick_home, technically, it's a hell of a lot more than 99.9% of the time. |
| 04:33.29 | rupy | snd_hda_intel |
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| 04:33.29 | Asymmetry | mick_home, the idea of two different items creating the same hash is a cryptographic collision - a very bad thing. |
| 04:33.50 | enouf | mick_home: not that it's something you can necessatily search .. but /msg dpkg which driver and follow the link to kmuto.jp |
| 04:34.05 | mick_home | Asymmetry: well there are collisions and there are people who get passed it (like the infamous "letter" example that was rewritten into a pink slip) |
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| 04:34.41 | Asymmetry | mick_home, ... What does that have to do with it? |
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| 04:34.54 | abrotman | !tell testing about root |
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| 04:35.23 | mick_home | Asymmetry: collisions do happen though. that is why i said 99.9% (not perfect)... it may technically be 99.999999% (but that is kind of being pedantic - don't you think?) |
| 04:35.53 | Asymmetry | mick_home, just say statistically improbable. :) Dealing with cryptography, the pedantic isn't. |
| 04:36.05 | mick_home | Asymmetry: i was just implying that 99.x% of the time it is an accurate way to see if 2 files are the same |
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| 04:36.50 | Asymmetry | mick_home, don't add a percentage in when you don't know what it is. That puts doubt into a proven system. |
| 04:36.52 | DavidProck1981 | going to restart now |
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| 04:37.00 | nvz | noooo! |
| 04:37.02 | mick_home | *sigh* |
| 04:37.08 | jngu1 | abrotman: haha. |
| 04:37.09 | jngu1 | thanks |
| 04:37.15 | jngu1 | I couldn't join this channel |
| 04:37.25 | mick_home | DavidProck1981: this isn't Windows :-P |
| 04:37.35 | jngu1 | so, I wanted to see if it was gaim, or my regular settings. |
| 04:37.37 | mick_home | if you don't update the kernel - no need to restart :) |
| 04:37.52 | dendrite | mick_home: given a perfect hash, the probability of a collision is just 1 divided by the hash size, e.g. 2^128 or whatever. |
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| 04:38.20 | nvz | ugh, gaim not too bad of a messenger, bad irc client |
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| 04:38.48 | mick_home | nvz: realizing a little late i see ;) |
| 04:38.57 | DavidProck1981 | toh ya by the way the first time i install the vider driver, i notice all of the fonts in gaim r SUPER SMALL and on some web sights certin blocks was too along with the normal, ahat would cause that |
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| 04:39.06 | nvz | mick_home: yeah hind sight is 20/20 |
| 04:39.14 | enouf | Asymmetry: mick_home : some faqs about collisions http://www.cryptography.com/cnews/hash.html |
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| 04:39.26 | nvz | oh, ffs :P in or out, what are you a damn alley cat |
| 04:39.29 | jngu1 | interesting. |
| 04:39.29 | Asymmetry | enouf, I know about them. Thanks. |
| 04:39.36 | mick_home | oh my god - i don't give a rats ass about collisions... |
| 04:39.45 | DavidProck1981 | every thing else that was open was normal font size |
| 04:39.49 | mick_home | you guys missed it.. that is ok |
| 04:40.03 | Pascat | ... OK |
| 04:40.09 | Pascat | I'm starting to HATE that thing... |
| 04:40.21 | DavidProck1981 | after about 3 to 4 restarts it went to nermal |
| 04:40.47 | Pascat | I just used the Debian CD to create a FAT32 partition, that went smoothly. |
| 04:40.51 | Pascat | Now the one big issue is... |
| 04:41.00 | Pascat | Root can't set permissions to it. |
| 04:41.05 | Guerin | Pascat: lack of beer! |
| 04:41.19 | nvz | Pascat: fat doesnt have permissions you have to pass the options when you mount it |
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| 04:41.24 | dendrite | Pascat: FAT32 doesn't do permissions, so the only control you have is at mount time. |
| 04:41.32 | Pascat | ahh |
| 04:41.32 | Guerin | and over the mount point |
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| 04:41.35 | nvz | Pascat: -o uid=1000,gid=1000 for example |
| 04:41.38 | Guerin | though thast won't matter to root |
| 04:41.41 | mick_home | DavidProck1981: that is weird :-/ |
| 04:41.54 | Pascat | still... |
| 04:42.03 | Pascat | I can't change anything in it >< |
| 04:42.12 | DavidProck1981 | html was mixed |
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| 04:42.22 | DavidProck1981 | but gaim was 100% |
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| 04:42.27 | dendrite | Pascat: You mean you can't change permissions on it? |
| 04:42.29 | Guerin | Pascat: man mount, don't come back until you have formulated an explicit question about how it works |
| 04:42.34 | DavidProck1981 | any text on any thing |
| 04:42.41 | DavidProck1981 | buttons and all |
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| 04:43.54 | DavidProck1981 | let me make an ex with goolge that might help pick uot the font of something |
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| 04:44.18 | mick_home | DavidProck1981: teh html might be because of the website.. but one thing that you can do is use CTRL +/- to make text bigger or smaller in your browser |
| 04:44.45 | mick_home | also the browser config has something on over riding stylesheets |
| 04:44.51 | mick_home | DavidProck1981: ^^ |
| 04:44.58 | DavidProck1981 | no did did not do any thing |
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| 04:45.09 | nvz | jngu1: wtf ARE you doing? |
| 04:45.10 | mick_home | i mean "maybe you should" |
| 04:45.15 | jngu1 | haha |
| 04:45.16 | jngu1 | sorry guys. |
| 04:45.18 | mick_home | depends on the websites |
| 04:45.26 | jngu1 | I was trying to figure out why gaim wouldn't let me join #debian |
| 04:45.29 | mick_home | some force tiny text on the browser |
| 04:46.00 | nvz | jngu1: gaim is a decent instant messenger, doesnt make a very good irc client |
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| 04:46.08 | DavidProck1981 | click this i puropsly miss spell the word cause the christ would ber so small u could not read it |
| 04:46.09 | DaBlade | I agree with nvz |
| 04:46.12 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=jesus+chrest&btnG=Search |
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| 04:46.19 | DaBlade | jngu1: get Konversation |
| 04:46.24 | jngu1 | haha |
| 04:46.30 | nvz | jngu1: install screen and irssi, start it once, leave it the hell alone |
| 04:46.31 | DaBlade | what? |
| 04:46.33 | jngu1 | turns out my last debian.chat log was over 100k lines |
| 04:46.38 | DavidProck1981 | the bold word would be so cmall |
| 04:46.39 | jngu1 | and gaim history plugin was trying to load that. |
| 04:46.45 | DaBlade | lol |
| 04:46.53 | jngu1 | killing my cpu |
| 04:47.01 | jngu1 | and rendering my gaim useless. |
| 04:47.33 | DavidProck1981 | did u click the lick |
| 04:47.45 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: have you tried ubuntu ? |
| 04:47.47 | DavidProck1981 | what font is the word christ in |
| 04:48.06 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Yeah, I heard they don't have font problems in irc! |
| 04:48.12 | DavidProck1981 | the live ubuntu SUCKS, but mady i did not get into it enough |
| 04:48.27 | DavidProck1981 | 6.10 |
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| 04:50.00 | jnguy | Ah. |
| 04:50.01 | jnguy | Much better. |
| 04:50.13 | nvz | using irssi now? |
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| 04:50.26 | DavidProck1981 | will Ctrl+Alt+Backspace be enough to use my drivers then since u say i dont need to restart |
| 04:50.29 | jnguy | haha. Naw. Just using my regular account. |
| 04:50.32 | nvz | then it cant be that much better :P |
| 04:50.42 | jnguy | instead of the 'testing' account that I was spamming you guys with. |
| 04:50.44 | jnguy | :) |
| 04:50.49 | jnguy | irssi too hardcore :) |
| 04:50.54 | nvz | pfft |
| 04:51.08 | jnguy | although screen is quite neat. |
| 04:51.12 | jnguy | I wish I was more comfortable with it. |
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| 04:51.27 | timgoh0 | jnguy: You will be if you used it. |
| 04:52.10 | jnguy | I learned it at one point for running torrents remotely :) |
| 04:52.14 | jnguy | now I use torrentflux. |
| 04:52.37 | nvz | screen is the most used program on any of my computers |
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| 04:52.42 | nvz | next to irssi and ssh |
| 04:52.50 | jnguy | way back in the day, by way back, I mean 2 years ago, I used bitchx :) |
| 04:52.58 | nvz | well and bash and all the other obvious ones |
| 04:53.02 | jnguy | haha. |
| 04:53.12 | jnguy | hm. just curious |
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| 04:53.17 | jnguy | nvz: what window manager? |
| 04:53.19 | jnguy | rat poison? |
| 04:53.25 | nvz | no way |
| 04:53.30 | jnguy | haha. |
| 04:53.34 | jnguy | you seem like the type. |
| 04:53.34 | aeread | anyone here runnin exaile? im gettin some libatk dependency failure, even tho libatk is installed >.< |
| 04:53.51 | nvz | ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20060518-3 a window manager for X11 |
| 04:53.54 | abrotman | wtf is exaile ? |
| 04:54.03 | jnguy | ah. |
| 04:54.10 | jnguy | hm. sawfish eh? |
| 04:54.18 | aeread | abrotman, i guess you dont use it |
| 04:54.29 | jnguy | I used that a few years ago... never got used to it, and I decided to screw anything that emulates windows. |
| 04:54.29 | abrotman | what is it? |
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| 04:54.41 | nvz | I like ion3 as well, but I much prefer sawfish as I have been using it so much longer and am very comfortable with it |
| 04:54.42 | jnguy | didn't like the 'start menu' |
| 04:55.01 | aeread | abrotman: exaile dot org |
| 04:55.05 | jnguy | never heard of ion3 |
| 04:55.09 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 04:55.12 | nvz | emulates windows, 'start menu'? |
| 04:55.17 | nvz | never heard of ion3? |
| 04:55.25 | nvz | who the hell are you and where did you come from |
| 04:55.26 | jnguy | the foot thing. |
| 04:55.28 | jnguy | :) |
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| 04:55.35 | Phated | The foot belongs to Gnome. |
| 04:55.39 | jnguy | yeah |
| 04:55.40 | nvz | gnome-panel actually |
| 04:55.43 | jnguy | I don't like gnome. |
| 04:55.47 | jnguy | oohhh. |
| 04:55.51 | nvz | is what he's talking about anyhow |
| 04:55.53 | Phated | Which has very little to do with Sawfish -or- ion3. |
| 04:56.02 | jnguy | erf. |
| 04:56.23 | Phated | Since gnome uses, what, metacity? |
| 04:56.30 | nvz | yep |
| 04:56.32 | nvz | megashitty |
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| 04:56.37 | abrotman | usually .. but i use it with sawfish |
| 04:56.40 | jnguy | lol. |
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| 04:57.10 | Phated | Yeah, but whether you use sawfish or metacity or $GTK_WM with it, the menu isn't part of it. |
| 04:57.20 | jnguy | I used to use enlightenment |
| 04:57.30 | jnguy | I've been steady xfce for a couple of years now though. |
| 04:57.31 | nvz | sawfish has a root menu, I dont believe megashitty does |
| 04:57.48 | Phated | Well, the foot isn't part of it :) |
| 04:57.58 | nvz | nope no feet |
| 04:58.11 | jnguy | feet are annoying :) |
| 04:58.30 | Phated | Even sawfish's root menu is along the lines of the same one you'd find in, say, openbox or blackbox. |
| 04:58.36 | nvz | I recall the discussion about dipods, tripods, and how many feet an ipod has |
| 04:58.50 | Phated | And doesn't -really- resemble the start menu very much. |
| 04:59.05 | nvz | I explained the ipod has no feet, its got you to carry it around.. think about it "_I_ Pod" you are the pod, |
| 04:59.10 | jnguy | hahaha. |
| 04:59.39 | jnguy | I guess I just didn't like menu based systems in general. I pretty much strip the xfce panel down to just having a xterm button and the time. |
| 04:59.44 | jnguy | and pager |
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| 05:00.17 | nvz | Phated: I liked openbox, if it had a neat little config ui with easily configurable options like sawfish-ui I'd have converted long ago |
| 05:00.36 | nvz | I am addicted to sawfish's context based bindings and matched windows |
| 05:00.54 | nvz | gives me freedom to create any user environment I can imagine |
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| 05:01.27 | nvz | if I want a clock, or a panel, I put it in my session file or make a binding for it, and match the window to show up how I want |
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| 05:01.58 | jnguy | hm. Just out of curiousity, any reason not to use ubuntu? |
| 05:02.08 | jnguy | figured you guys would know best. |
| 05:02.24 | nvz | ion3 is highly configurable but its a little more work, and a lot of things are predefined that I am used to changing like window weight, size, placement..etc |
| 05:02.26 | Kurtism | I wish there was a way of automatically created a kernel config file |
| 05:02.40 | Kurtism | something that could scan your hardware and say "this is what I need" |
| 05:02.40 | jnguy | haha |
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| 05:02.54 | jnguy | Kurtism: What I do sometimes is boot a knoppix and steal the kernel config :) |
| 05:03.07 | Kurtism | there's got to be a way of doing it |
| 05:03.08 | jnguy | knoppix is pretty good at detecting hardware. |
| 05:03.18 | nvz | Kurtism: that would not be reliable I've thought about making a script that does this using lspci, lsusb, dmesg, hwinfo.. etc |
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| 05:03.26 | Kurtism | a way of creating a tool that can auto detect everything and make a config for you |
| 05:03.47 | nvz | Kurtism: I am afraid of the mistakes it could make and the options it may leave out for future expansion |
| 05:03.53 | u221e | Why sometimes when a window is opened, it does have focus? |
| 05:04.12 | jnguy | u221e: ? focus is dependent upon window manager. |
| 05:04.12 | Kurtism | at the very least have it smart enough to disable the stuff that you absolutely do not have |
| 05:04.17 | nvz | that depends on your window manager how focus is handled |
| 05:04.20 | Kurtism | like all the ham radio crap |
| 05:04.29 | nvz | with sawfish I can set focus on a per-window basis |
| 05:04.33 | u221e | So far I've noticed it both in gnome and window maker |
| 05:04.34 | Kurtism | and a bunch of other esoteric stuff |
| 05:05.00 | jnguy | they should design the kernel like: most people/everyone else. |
| 05:05.21 | nvz | Kurtism: I dont like having all those low-level scsi drivers when I probably only owned one scsi controller in my life and never used it |
| 05:05.32 | Kurtism | indeed |
| 05:06.04 | Kurtism | I spent like 3 hours going through every kernel option and trying to figure out if I have some stuff or not because the names are not very descriptive |
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| 05:06.28 | Kurtism | and even the descriptions in make menuconfig aren't that great sometimes |
| 05:06.30 | jnguy | at least you only have to do it once? mostly? |
| 05:06.32 | nvz | I generally consult primarily the dmesg log of my running kernel when compiling and also lspci |
| 05:06.59 | Kurtism | a tool shall have to be developed someday |
| 05:07.12 | nvz | the important details in dmesg is things like ACPI, APIC.. things that can make or break your kernel |
| 05:07.20 | Kurtism | yeah |
| 05:07.32 | sparr_ | can make it break your kernel... :) |
| 05:07.38 | nvz | heh |
| 05:07.44 | Kurtism | I still probably have a whole bunch of crap enabled that I'll never ever use |
| 05:07.50 | jnguy | hm. Stupid question but, if its not loaded in the kernel, its not in proc... right/ |
| 05:07.51 | jnguy | ? |
| 05:08.12 | nvz | yes |
| 05:08.23 | jnguy | otherwise, I'd say check proc! |
| 05:08.26 | jnguy | :) |
| 05:08.28 | nvz | it can be in proc if its not enabled, but something has to be loaded |
| 05:08.34 | jnguy | okay, I've got to get working, ttyl. |
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| 05:22.31 | Ick | who here has an entry in their sources.list for libdvdcss? |
| 05:22.36 | Ick | i am needing one |
| 05:22.57 | Ick | i asked dpkg and he wasn't very helpful |
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| 05:27.41 | dendrite | !merrilat |
| 05:27.48 | nvz | !info libdvdcss2 |
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| 05:28.02 | dendrite | !test |
| 05:28.02 | dpkg | Sorry, dendrite, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:28.14 | nvz | ah |
| 05:28.21 | nvz | I have debian-multimedia sources |
| 05:28.25 | nvz | which is why I have it |
| 05:28.38 | nvz | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:28.38 | dpkg | hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 05:29.04 | dendrite | Ah, marillat. |
| 05:29.05 | nvz | dendrite: its marillat and its being called debian-multimedia now, but the marillat factoid still exists |
| 05:29.35 | Ick | it gives me problems when i try and put down "deb http://... main non-free contrib" |
| 05:29.59 | nvz | Ick: there is only a main section on debian-multimedia |
| 05:30.03 | Ick | ok |
| 05:30.04 | Ick | thanks |
| 05:30.17 | nvz | Ick: its a 3rd party source, its all contrib or non-free basically |
| 05:30.36 | nvz | but since we already know its not an official source he just put it all in main |
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| 05:31.56 | Ick | ah, that's what i needed to know |
| 05:32.17 | Ick | hmm E: Missgestaltete Zeile 31 in Quellliste /etc/apt/sources.list („dist parse“) |
| 05:32.32 | nvz | heh, whats that german? |
| 05:32.43 | Ick | i think malformed line 31 in sourceslist |
| 05:32.58 | Ick | i have deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ main |
| 05:33.07 | nvz | you need a dist |
| 05:33.24 | nvz | deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ etch main |
| 05:33.28 | nvz | for example for etch |
| 05:33.34 | Ick | oh |
| 05:33.54 | Ick | beautiful |
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| 05:34.37 | nvz | Ick: yeah but I'm dressed a little shabby.. |
| 05:34.54 | Ick | i'm not a very attractive woman |
| 05:35.02 | Ick | or even a woman at all |
| 05:35.29 | nvz | I'm sitting here in long underwear cause I am too lazy to get dressed and probably going to bed soon anyhow |
| 05:35.40 | enouf | lck dpkg wasn't helpful b/c you assumed she wasw a he |
| 05:35.50 | nvz | dpkg, gender? |
| 05:35.51 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 05:36.01 | enouf | !what are you |
| 05:36.01 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:36.11 | nvz | dpkg, person? |
| 05:36.11 | dpkg | hmm... person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 05:39.25 | DavidProck1981 | Renderer: Mesa GLX Indirect (Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org) |
| 05:39.44 | DavidProck1981 | Driver: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4 |
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| 05:40.09 | DavidProck1981 | could that be apart of the proplem |
| 05:40.35 | DavidProck1981 | i dont undersatnd that website, how to get the new one |
| 05:40.47 | nvz | "apart of the problem" would be the same as "not a part of the problem" |
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| 05:41.11 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
| 05:41.13 | nvz | that typo makes it a trick question |
| 05:41.23 | nvz | apart means seperate |
| 05:41.43 | bintut | hello all.. how can i setup a debian local repository for binary i386 only but the packages available are limited to the base install plus xfce related packages? |
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| 05:41.51 | DavidProck1981 | could that be why i get 0 FPS |
| 05:41.52 | kennyd | where can I find documentation on how to set up internet under linux? i have a nic plugged into a router |
| 05:42.20 | nvz | kennyd: does the router have dhcp? |
| 05:42.45 | kennyd | yes |
| 05:42.46 | nvz | kennyd: you would load the nic driver and run the dhcp client |
| 05:43.11 | enouf | nvz: ahh .. pre-typing skills |
| 05:43.27 | enouf | i do that too some times |
| 05:43.27 | kennyd | how would I load the nic driver, is there any documentation in man |
| 05:43.32 | dendrite | kennyd: Is the linux machine running now? |
| 05:43.35 | nvz | kennyd: consult the linux manual pages section 5 on interfaces "man 5 interfaces" |
| 05:43.35 | enouf | man interfaces |
| 05:43.44 | kennyd | thanks |
| 05:43.57 | DavidProck1981 | any one play Cube2 on debian |
| 05:43.58 | nvz | kennyd: what nic is it? do lspci |
| 05:44.34 | nvz | Cube2? afaik that was a dumb movie about people trapped in a cube |
| 05:44.36 | enouf | Is that an Apple? |
| 05:45.02 | kennyd | it's integrated on MB, I'm not sure about specs |
| 05:45.11 | nvz | thats what lspci is for |
| 05:45.29 | DavidProck1981 | on a 3d shootem up game |
| 05:45.35 | kennyd | ok, I'll do that as soon as I reboot. :) |
| 05:45.43 | nvz | reboot??! |
| 05:45.55 | enouf | on the noes .. not again |
| 05:45.59 | DavidProck1981 | www.sauerbraten.org |
| 05:46.11 | kennyd | yes I only have one computer so I have to boot to windows to go online |
| 05:46.25 | nvz | kennyd: well then have windows tell you what nic you have |
| 05:46.26 | DavidProck1981 | can any one get it to run on debian |
| 05:46.55 | kennyd | marvell yukon PCI gigabit ethernet controller |
| 05:47.23 | kennyd | not sure if that's what you were looking for |
| 05:47.45 | nvz | DavidProck1981: are there freely available game data files for use with this game engine? |
| 05:48.10 | DavidProck1981 | after my viderdrivers i get 0 FPS |
| 05:48.21 | DavidProck1981 | video drivers |
| 05:48.25 | nvz | I might check that out tomorrow looks pretty cool |
| 05:48.37 | nvz | would suck if my shitty video card wont handle it |
| 05:48.50 | DavidProck1981 | u talking about the game |
| 05:49.03 | DavidProck1981 | nvz |
| 05:49.13 | DavidProck1981 | its a cool game |
| 05:49.13 | nvz | no I am talking about salt and vinegar potato chips |
| 05:49.22 | DavidProck1981 | ookkkkk |
| 05:49.24 | enouf | DavidProck1981: abrotman seems to think you have the correct Ati driver loaded .. perhaps it's misconfigured? |
| 05:49.44 | DavidProck1981 | is mesa 4 good enough |
| 05:50.23 | nvz | man now that I laid down I am about primed for sleep |
| 05:50.33 | DavidProck1981 | Driver: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4 does it need to be upgraded |
| 05:50.59 | DavidProck1981 | how do i congigure it then |
| 05:51.42 | enouf | cat /etc/debian_version DavidProck1981 |
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| 05:51.57 | DavidProck1981 | u want me to type that |
| 05:52.12 | enouf | yes and post the ouput .. 1 line |
| 05:52.19 | enouf | output |
| 05:52.24 | DavidProck1981 | 3.1 |
| 05:52.37 | DavidProck1981 | was only one line |
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| 05:53.06 | enouf | DavidProck1981: if you cannot find a successful solution using Sarge (xfree86) .. perhpas a dist-upgrade to Etch would help (Xorg) |
| 05:53.27 | bijur | hey all :) |
| 05:53.33 | DavidProck1981 | is etch unstable |
| 05:53.42 | enouf | no .. it's testing |
| 05:53.42 | bijur | enouf is enough is enuffff |
| 05:53.55 | enouf | !greet bijur |
| 05:53.56 | dpkg | Howdy, bijur |
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| 05:53.56 | bijur | enouf is testing? |
| 05:54.09 | bijur | me good dpkg the bot! |
| 05:54.13 | enouf | no you're testing my patience :-p |
| 05:54.22 | bijur | jus kidding pal .. relax :) |
| 05:54.27 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:54.37 | bijur | so whats up? |
| 05:54.42 | bijur | no one here .. |
| 05:54.50 | enouf | dunno .. I'm tired though |
| 05:54.52 | bijur | only us two losers hanging out at irc?! |
| 05:54.52 | bijur | w00t! |
| 05:55.06 | enouf | bijur: had a big night last night |
| 05:55.21 | enouf | still recovering |
| 05:55.30 | bijur | get some nice black tea and put ur feet in warm water .. lie on a bean bag and watch some kung fu |
| 05:55.39 | bijur | kewl .. what was up? |
| 05:55.58 | enouf | sounds good actually .. but those voice overs would bug the shit outta me .. now Comedy maybe |
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| 05:56.19 | DavidProck1981 | what would be the best url to get ecth from |
| 05:56.35 | bijur | ha ha :)) isnt that funny? i have always found it funny when sounds stops and u see the persons jaw still moving |
| 05:56.37 | bijur | damn cool! |
| 05:56.38 | enouf | I'm paying over 40 month for cable and they can't even keep the newspeople's mouths in sync .. no joke |
| 05:56.40 | DavidProck1981 | etch |
| 05:57.08 | bijur | lol |
| 05:57.09 | enouf | !tell DavidProck1981 about sarge->etch |
| 05:57.27 | bijur | david! good to know u r etching for info! |
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| 05:57.34 | bijur | ok cheap play on itching! |
| 05:58.16 | enouf | DavidProck1981: it "may" break your system ()sometimes slightly only) .. just be aware there have been issues upgrading .. |
| 05:58.54 | enouf | DavidProck1981: not trying to scare you .. go for it .. but you should know about using Linux beforehand .. in case you need to fix something |
| 05:59.00 | bijur | !bijur bijur about sarge->etch |
| 05:59.11 | bijur | !tell bijur about sarge-etch |
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| 05:59.34 | enouf | bijur: /join ##linux .. thee you can ramble on about nothing if you like :-) |
| 05:59.41 | enouf | there* |
| 05:59.53 | enouf | or any other channel .. no babbling here ..ok? |
| 06:00.00 | DavidProck1981 | i cant find the etch dlownload on debian.org |
| 06:00.10 | bijur | babbling! |
| 06:00.20 | bijur | how very mean ! |
| 06:00.23 | enouf | babbler . hehe |
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| 06:00.45 | bijur | now do i feel insulted or not!? i am confused |
| 06:00.45 | enouf | I didn't realize you were actually trying to msg the bot .. sorry |
| 06:00.59 | enouf | !comfort bijur |
| 06:00.59 | dpkg | There, there, bijur. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:01.08 | bijur | rofl |
| 06:01.54 | enouf | bijur: pop in a good kung fu movie maybe :-p |
| 06:02.09 | bijur | ha ha ..lol |
| 06:02.19 | bijur | i am quite pissed with firfox |
| 06:02.22 | bijur | firefox |
| 06:02.27 | bijur | its been crashing left and right |
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| 06:02.52 | enouf | try Epiphany or Links2 |
| 06:03.17 | bijur | links2 is gui? |
| 06:03.31 | enouf | links2 is only available for sid unless you compile against your install |
| 06:03.39 | enouf | links2 -g is |
| 06:03.44 | enouf | yep |
| 06:03.46 | bijur | good? |
| 06:03.52 | bijur | ok apt-getting it .. |
| 06:03.54 | bijur | lemme see |
| 06:03.55 | mfrisch | bijur: it can use framebuffer and be really graphical. for console |
| 06:04.21 | enouf | I'm using it now .. Epiphany uses the moz engines and such |
| 06:04.35 | bijur | okay .. will report status in a minute .. can it handle ssl and all? |
| 06:04.46 | bijur | kewl |
| 06:04.53 | bijur | me using konqueror actually |
| 06:05.24 | enouf | I still rely on konqi once in a while |
| 06:05.25 | bijur | actually the system sux .. me tried switching my cpu u time slice to alomost double its current value .. |
| 06:05.30 | bijur | donn think that helped |
| 06:05.32 | mfrisch | bijur: konqueror is my choice unless the page was written for IE |
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| 06:05.55 | bijur | well if the page is written for ie .. there isnt anything much u can do abt it .. is there |
| 06:06.04 | enouf | mfrisch: true that .. then it don;t work |
| 06:06.37 | DavidProck1981 | YO ENOUF abut the Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. what would i put for this line |
| 06:06.40 | enouf | It's amazing a site like AMD would write for IE .. and many others |
| 06:06.50 | DavidProck1981 | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r3 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20060905)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 06:07.06 | enouf | DavidProck1981: no .. the CDROM line leave alone |
| 06:07.15 | bijur | w0w! links allowed a pop to open |
| 06:07.17 | bijur | damn cool ! |
| 06:07.29 | mfrisch | enouf: well there is mozilla, which is ok and then there is opera, Its commercial neither support all sites |
| 06:07.37 | enouf | bijur: yep .. Javashit and all |
| 06:07.46 | DavidProck1981 | so #deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main to #deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 06:07.51 | bijur | enouf : thats supported? |
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| 06:08.10 | pstickne | mozilla is poo. |
| 06:08.27 | enouf | bijur: yep .. see Setup | javashit options |
| 06:08.41 | enouf | DavidProck1981: yep |
| 06:08.54 | DavidProck1981 | is debhelper a person or a program |
| 06:09.22 | bijur | am trying to see if gmail works |
| 06:09.23 | enouf | DavidProck1981: you need to remove the # at the beginning of any line for that line to be recognized |
| 06:09.37 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 06:09.45 | DavidProck1981 | then why is it there |
| 06:09.55 | enouf | You put it there |
| 06:10.04 | DavidProck1981 | on |
| 06:10.16 | pstickne | # is a comment delimiter used in many files |
| 06:10.23 | enouf | or another manager did |
| 06:10.27 | DavidProck1981 | i di not put it there |
| 06:10.46 | bijur | enouf any idea if gmail works |
| 06:10.48 | enouf | aptitude may have .. but I doubt it |
| 06:10.58 | mfrisch | bijur: fetchmail gets gmail easy |
| 06:11.02 | enouf | bijur: ermm .. I forget .. I don;t think so |
| 06:11.08 | DavidProck1981 | so should i leave it there, the # |
| 06:11.15 | enouf | bijur: yahoo mail might though |
| 06:11.33 | enouf | DavidProck1981: pastebin you entire sources.list |
| 06:11.50 | DavidProck1981 | i will get kicked if i do |
| 06:11.56 | enouf | !paster |
| 06:11.56 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:12.20 | enouf | DavidProck1981: see ^^^^^^ |
| 06:13.26 | DavidProck1981 | ok i did not what |
| 06:13.42 | enouf | are you drunk? |
| 06:13.45 | DavidProck1981 | This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/4424. |
| 06:13.57 | enouf | ok ..great job |
| 06:14.07 | bijur | bye guys |
| 06:14.25 | enouf | holy crap folks .. take a look .. please |
| 06:14.54 | enouf | DavidProck1981: are you trying to download the world? |
| 06:15.10 | dendrite | enouf: It's all commented. |
| 06:15.11 | DavidProck1981 | uuhhhh madb lol |
| 06:15.41 | enouf | dendrite: yes .. a-l-l- of it .. hehe |
| 06:15.57 | enouf | DavidProck1981: oxycontin? |
| 06:16.03 | dendrite | Well, not *all* of it... But all the wall o' sources... |
| 06:16.04 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
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| 06:17.02 | mfrisch | enouf: are you on the rock |
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| 06:17.30 | enouf | DavidProck1981: you had better # comment out thses lines at the bottom ; |
| 06:17.31 | enouf | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r3 Sarge - Official i386 Binary-2 (20060905)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 06:17.31 | DavidProck1981 | so what should it look like |
| 06:17.42 | groogs | anyone know how to make a .screenrc file that opens bash with the cwd set to a specific directory? |
| 06:17.53 | u221e | Question... where is the REAL firefox icon, not this blue planet thing? |
| 06:18.05 | DavidProck1981 | what about it |
| 06:18.56 | pstickne | u221e, I'm using quickerfox, you get a cooler-than-stock icon :) |
| 06:19.12 | pstickne | (it's a good knock-off of the firefox logo though ;)) |
| 06:19.40 | u221e | Speaking of which, firefox just crashed... |
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| 06:19.48 | enouf | suggest you start here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 06:19.53 | mfrisch | u221e: firefox sucks |
| 06:20.09 | enouf | DavidProck1981: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ |
| 06:20.13 | DavidProck1981 | what |
| 06:20.27 | enouf | mfrisch: solid as a rock .. yes |
| 06:20.42 | pstickne | u221e, disable any plugins (not extensions) you have |
| 06:20.55 | pstickne | u221e, so far, quickerfox (based on ff2.0 is working great) |
| 06:21.00 | enouf | suggest you start here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html DavidProck1981 |
| 06:21.11 | u221e | Never even heard of quickerfox |
| 06:21.29 | pstickne | ooh, swiftfox. I'm a dirty liar. |
| 06:22.03 | DavidProck1981 | raeding it ok |
| 06:22.07 | DavidProck1981 | reading |
| 06:23.55 | u221e | Holy crap, they even have a build for my crappy CPU |
| 06:23.59 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html DavidProck1981 |
| 06:24.40 | enouf | DavidProck1981: that link is from the beginning basically and discusses sources.list |
| 06:25.10 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 06:27.23 | DavidProck1981 | SO deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib TO deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 06:27.58 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: no. |
| 06:28.18 | DavidProck1981 | then would it be |
| 06:28.39 | dondelelcaro | unless that recently got changed, it should still be security.debian.net |
| 06:28.45 | enouf | yes and ? .. just remove the commented # from a FEW only and make sure those say 'etch' instead of 'sarge/stable' |
| 06:29.11 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 06:29.30 | DavidProck1981 | bbl |
| 06:29.50 | enouf | DavidProck1981: Remove ANY/All unstable lines .. atleast until you know the system much better |
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| 06:30.40 | dondelelcaro | 2/away dead |
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| 06:31.09 | enouf | dendrite: when ppl ask for the mirrors list .. just send them to DavidProck1981 's pastebin .. hehe |
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| 06:32.06 | buu | !java |
| 06:32.07 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:33.49 | groogs | anyone know how to make a .screenrc file that opens a bunch of bash windows in specific directories? |
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| 06:36.37 | buu | Well this is all sorts of confusing. |
| 06:36.49 | buu | Is it because I'm running amd64 that I only get two mirrors when I run apt-setup? |
| 06:37.03 | buu | And why don't these mirrors have unstable? |
| 06:37.03 | DavidProck1981 | ok im running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade now |
| 06:38.15 | DavidProck1981 | will that give me the new KDE4 |
| 06:38.44 | DavidProck1981 | since i made it etch |
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| 06:40.20 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: KDE 4 isn't even released |
| 06:40.33 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: 3.5.5 is the current version |
| 06:40.53 | DavidProck1981 | oh ok |
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| 06:41.06 | Wyzard | and yes, KDE 3.5.5 appears to be in etch |
| 06:41.13 | Wyzard | (at least, version 3.5.5 of the "kdebase" package is) |
| 06:41.19 | DavidProck1981 | i just remember seeing it , i skimed over it |
| 06:41.21 | u221e | Wow, your right. The swiftfox logo is pretty cool. |
| 06:41.59 | Wyzard | u221e: ? |
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| 06:45.11 | u221e | Is there a way to give gtk apps a theme even if I'm not in gnome? |
| 06:46.21 | DavidProck1981 | after doing what im doing "what some of u guy's say" with the stable to etch in the sourcelist and do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade", will that make me have Xorg instead of XFree86 |
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| 06:49.27 | Wyzard | Anyone here have experience using Debian on an Abit AB9 Pro motherboard? |
| 06:50.08 | Wyzard | I have an optical drive connected to the PATA port but the kernel doesn't see it, even using sid's 2.6.18 and "libata.atapi_enabled=1" |
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| 06:50.36 | nowimproved | whats good desktop capture software? |
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| 06:56.25 | icyfire0573 | I'm trying to find out how to get ODBC support into QT4. Its not there by default (when installing the qt4-sql package) |
| 06:57.17 | DavidProck1981 | ok look at this http://channels.debian.net/paste/4425 |
| 06:59.15 | DavidProck1981 | u get that enouf |
| 06:59.22 | DavidProck1981 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4425 |
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| 07:00.09 | enouf | DavidProck1981: what? |
| 07:00.23 | enouf | ok .. lemmee see |
| 07:00.26 | DavidProck1981 | look the the bottom of this page http://channels.debian.net/paste/4425 |
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| 07:01.04 | nowimproved | anyone know any good video desktop capture software to make videos of your desktop? |
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| 07:01.33 | annulus | hello! could somebody please tell me how to set my ext3 partition to be checked by fsck after more than 28 times? |
| 07:02.02 | DavidProck1981 | nowimproved u could use VMware do capture a virtual os deshtop |
| 07:02.47 | enouf | hrm .. for the DynamicMmap error I think you need to alter the cache size .. hold, and I'll look into that .. the other errorss I'm not sure about |
| 07:03.03 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 07:03.14 | nowimproved | DavidProck1981, hmm, i'm pretty sure there is some software floating around the linux community? |
| 07:03.49 | enouf | DavidProck1981: funny .. I just found some very interesting ATI tutorials concerning Debian and Xfree86, but they're using fglxr |
| 07:03.59 | DavidProck1981 | that was the best that i could say, dont know about any one else |
| 07:04.11 | nowimproved | DavidProck1981, well thanks |
| 07:04.30 | DavidProck1981 | and what is fglxr |
| 07:05.09 | DavidProck1981 | ive caputed wildows going thorugh hell from virus and works on VMWare, that was fun |
| 07:05.47 | nowimproved | DavidProck1981, Yah. I've used it on there as well. Works great. I just don't feel like installing linux onto vmware just to do that |
| 07:05.50 | DavidProck1981 | and since it was a virtual HDD i could lock it before i did that |
| 07:06.16 | nowimproved | yah |
| 07:06.17 | nowimproved | lol |
| 07:06.20 | DavidProck1981 | that was funny |
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| 07:07.52 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.24 | DavidProck1981 | i made it so my main os could not touch the net at all |
| 07:08.41 | DavidProck1981 | so no work over the network |
| 07:08.51 | DavidProck1981 | no wory* |
| 07:09.09 | enouf | DavidProck1981: do this ' echo APT::Cache-Limit 10000000; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf ' (no quotes) |
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| 07:09.22 | shiroi | hello |
| 07:09.35 | DavidProck1981 | like this: echo APT::Cache-Limit 10000000; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 07:10.07 | DavidProck1981 | APT::Cache-Limit 10000000 |
| 07:10.09 | enouf | DavidProck1981: here's where from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-erros.en.html |
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| 07:10.19 | shiroi | anyone using dhcpd? could you please tell me how much memory the process occupies? |
| 07:10.33 | DavidProck1981 | did that tell give info or change info |
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| 07:11.17 | enouf | DavidProck1981: usually that file does not exist .. you may need to 1st create it |
| 07:11.29 | DavidProck1981 | did that do it |
| 07:11.37 | enouf | DavidProck1981: man apt_preferences |
| 07:11.54 | DavidProck1981 | APT::Cache-Limit 10000000, did that read the file or wright to the file |
| 07:11.55 | enouf | check using ls /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 07:12.07 | enouf | DavidProck1981: it shouldd've written to file |
| 07:12.14 | enouf | appended actually |
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| 07:12.38 | enouf | but you need to be root and/or have elevated privs |
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| 07:13.11 | enouf | DavidProck1981: were you the one whom said he liked nano as an editor? |
| 07:13.16 | DavidProck1981 | yo the /etc/apt/apt.conf is blank |
| 07:13.31 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 07:13.34 | DavidProck1981 | not me |
| 07:13.59 | enouf | DavidProck1981: okey .. then open iot and edit it as root .. or su - or suo |
| 07:14.02 | enouf | sudo*] |
| 07:14.05 | enouf | crap |
| 07:14.17 | DavidProck1981 | what do u put in it |
| 07:14.36 | enouf | that one line --> APT::Cache-Limit 10000000; <-- exactly |
| 07:14.44 | DavidProck1981 | ive got the root thing covered |
| 07:14.47 | enouf | semi-colon and all |
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| 07:15.22 | DavidProck1981 | "APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;" enter that into the file |
| 07:15.24 | icyfire0573 | I'm trying to find out how to get ODBC support into QT4. Its not there by default (when installing the qt4-sql package) |
| 07:15.50 | DavidProck1981 | 10MB? |
| 07:16.56 | DavidProck1981 | do i have to restart x server for the change to take place |
| 07:17.13 | DavidProck1981 | for the APT::Cache-Limit 10000000; |
| 07:17.28 | enouf | DavidProck1981: see this (W) Warning in the middle of you paster "W: Duplicate sources.list entry ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu etch/main Packages ... " ? |
| 07:17.56 | DavidProck1981 | ive done close it out |
| 07:18.04 | DavidProck1981 | what is it |
| 07:18.08 | DavidProck1981 | the likn |
| 07:18.11 | DavidProck1981 | link |
| 07:18.17 | enouf | DavidProck1981: see if there are multiple Uncommented lies for that repo in /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out (#) one of those duplicates |
| 07:18.24 | enouf | lines* |
| 07:18.48 | DavidProck1981 | err do what |
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| 07:18.52 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-erros.en.html <-- same URL I gave you earlier .. later chapter |
| 07:18.55 | DavidProck1981 | i cant thibk |
| 07:19.01 | DavidProck1981 | think* |
| 07:19.04 | Kinks | or type |
| 07:19.12 | raghu206 | my istanbul abruptly closes when i am trying to save the video do someone pls solve the problem |
| 07:19.21 | Alam_Debian | anyone know about xorg's Ctrl+Alt+/? I remember it being the unlock mouse key but I forget how to enable it... |
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| 07:20.09 | DavidProck1981 | just what do i do |
| 07:20.17 | enouf | DavidProck1981: erm .. maybe restart X .. but shouldn't have to |
| 07:20.28 | enouf | DavidProck1981: I don't think |
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| 07:20.58 | enouf | try again -- apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:21.02 | enouf | DavidProck1981: |
| 07:21.13 | DavidProck1981 | i could Konqueror the world if i hade the proper manual LOL u get my point |
| 07:21.53 | DavidProck1981 | "again -- apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" OR "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 07:47.07 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 07:56.29 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:56.29 | dpkg | i guess qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
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| 08:00.45 | mateuszk | What Can I do to fix segfaulting dpkg when uninstalling beast package ? I cant install/uninstall anything |
| 08:00.48 | mateuszk | Any help? |
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| 08:01.29 | sybec | Hello. Can anyone *name* a command line client for eD2k/Kad [like aMule/emule.. but CLI not GUI]? |
| 08:02.09 | jcreigh | sybec: mldonkey (has a telnet interface) |
| 08:02.19 | mateuszk | jcreigh, ? |
| 08:02.40 | jcreigh | mateuszk: um....yes? |
| 08:02.46 | mateuszk | jcreigh, subprocess post-removal script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 08:02.57 | mateuszk | jcreigh, while dpkg -P |
| 08:03.40 | sybec | jcreigh: Thanks. `apt-cache search mldonkey` seems to say that mldonkey-gui and mldonkey-server are available but not simply "mldonkey". [debian sid] |
| 08:04.40 | jcreigh | sybec: I think you want mldonkey-server, but I'm not 100% sure |
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| 08:05.38 | sybec | thanks |
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| 08:06.31 | sybec | `cat /etc/debian_version` prints "4.0" on Debian SID. Is this normal? [I mean shouldn't it say "testing/unstable" instead?] |
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| 08:39.44 | jareth_ | sybec: it's normal. |
| 08:40.21 | sybec | jareth_: thanks |
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| 08:54.33 | streuner_ | kakarot_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 08:56.27 | streuner_ | we need the whole output |
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| 08:57.11 | kakarot_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 08:58.10 | kakarot_ | i think this libc6 is from ubuntu, where i get beryl |
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| 08:59.45 | Silent_Chaos`5D | hey, I'm getting an apt-get error, I think it might be a problem with my sources. Where is a pastebin to put the error and list? |
| 09:00.19 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 09:00.19 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 09:02.06 | Silent_Chaos`5D | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4426 |
| 09:02.11 | Silent_Chaos`5D | any help would be appreciated |
| 09:02.30 | streuner_ | kakarot_: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep http |
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| 09:03.25 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 09:03.25 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 09:04.53 | ayaa | wich package does provide "/usr/bin/cc" ? dpkg -S does not provide anything |
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| 09:05.32 | streuner_ | just on a wild guess gcc |
| 09:05.47 | streuner_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2006-09-27 02:09 /usr/bin/cc -> /etc/alternatives/cc |
| 09:06.09 | streuner_ | this link should be created by gcc package |
| 09:06.39 | ThomasPorter | My dns server isn't functioning heres a report: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=tpfree.com |
| 09:07.14 | streuner_ | Silent_Chaos`5D: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 09:07.45 | streuner_ | kakarot_: you cannot mix packages from any distros |
| 09:08.05 | Silent_Chaos`5D | streuner, my sources.list is there |
| 09:08.56 | streuner_ | Silent_Chaos`5D: ah, ok, comment those last 2 lines, they are wrong |
| 09:09.11 | Silent_Chaos`5D | what should they be? |
| 09:10.00 | streuner_ | man sources.list |
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| 09:10.36 | streuner_ | and remove this line "deb http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/debian/ testing/unstable main" |
| 09:10.51 | streuner_ | otherwise you get 'bobbitt' :) |
| 09:11.04 | Silent_Chaos`5D | k, I did it, but same error, does the rtorrent package require a more recent kernel? |
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| 09:11.22 | streuner_ | no |
| 09:11.31 | Silent_Chaos`5D | hmm, I'm running 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 09:11.49 | streuner_ | Silent_Chaos`5D: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:11.59 | streuner_ | !info rtorrent sarge |
| 09:12.10 | streuner_ | dpkg> Package 'rtorrent' does not exist. |
| 09:12.12 | Silent_Chaos`5D | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 09:12.26 | streuner_ | rtorrent isn't in sarge/stable |
| 09:12.45 | streuner_ | Silent_Chaos`5D: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:12.58 | Silent_Chaos`5D | it shows up in apt-cache search |
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| 09:13.17 | streuner_ | hm, your sources.list is wrong then |
| 09:14.32 | streuner_ | deb http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/debian/ stable main |
| 09:14.44 | streuner_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 09:15.00 | streuner_ | and add the entries for 'simple sid backport' |
| 09:15.26 | streuner_ | or (another option) you look at backports.org for a package |
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| 09:16.07 | MAX3 | plhfcnb |
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| 09:25.01 | streuner_ | kakarot_: http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 09:25.55 | streuner_ | kakarot_: You can't use ubuntu packages and expect they work in debian |
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| 09:26.29 | streuner_ | kakarot_: those packages (URL) are for testing or unstable, so you have to upgrade to testing/etch |
| 09:26.55 | simonrvn | isn't kakarot the Mohawk word for carrot? |
| 09:27.44 | simonrvn | no, my bad, it's rakarot |
| 09:27.51 | streuner_ | he is from spain... |
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| 09:28.08 | simonrvn | very similar :) |
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| 09:31.02 | simonrvn | the t is pronounced more like d, fyi |
| 09:31.13 | simonrvn | and the k more like a hard g |
| 09:31.43 | simonrvn | mind you, this is kahnawake Mohawk ;) |
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| 09:35.08 | streuner_ | dpkg, no beryl is <reply> beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 09:35.08 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
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| 09:46.59 | davi | What convertion tools must I install to burn a .wav to an Audio CD with k3b. I am getting this error: "Error while decoding audio tracks". Note: Debian Sarge. |
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| 09:52.25 | simonrvn | missing some backend (which would be in the recommended: list likely), i would think |
| 09:52.32 | simonrvn | davi ^^ |
| 09:54.06 | davi | thanks simonrvn |
| 09:54.25 | simonrvn | np |
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| 09:54.37 | simonrvn | or, suggested: |
| 09:54.41 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.44 | davi | ? |
| 09:54.48 | simonrvn | Suggests: |
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| 09:55.12 | zoet | how can i add a user via terminal ? |
| 09:55.41 | simonrvn | adduser |
| 09:56.14 | davi | simonrvn, Maybe I should upgrade to Etch: There is a bug on k3b |
| 09:56.16 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.25 | davi | Ref.: http://kde-apps.org/c/wavontent/show.php?content=9875 |
| 09:56.38 | zoet | simonrvn i have to write some options and i don't know |
| 10:01.32 | simonrvn | that's why man adduser and its --help exist |
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| 10:01.40 | simonrvn | davi: ah |
| 10:02.17 | u221e | How do I change the amount of time it takes before my monitor is switched off? |
| 10:02.31 | simonrvn | looks for screensaver |
| 10:02.34 | simonrvn | look* |
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| 10:04.03 | zoet | ok, thanks |
| 10:04.08 | zoet | What's the last version of debian ? |
| 10:04.19 | blondie | last? |
| 10:04.25 | epsilon | 3.1 stable |
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| 10:04.34 | blondie | aka sarge |
| 10:04.44 | zoet | i am not using debian so i dont know how it works and so on |
| 10:04.53 | zoet | and where can i download ? |
| 10:04.56 | CharminTheMoose | good mornin' all |
| 10:05.01 | zoet | morning CharminTheMoose |
| 10:05.06 | blondie | zoet: try the debian website? |
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| 10:05.14 | zoet | blondie what is it ? |
| 10:05.23 | blondie | jesus |
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| 10:05.41 | blondie | zoet: I don't think google is down! |
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| 10:05.54 | Sudo|Faderhval | hi all you wodserfull people! |
| 10:06.00 | therealbigusdick | !debian |
| 10:06.01 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 10:06.07 | zoet | what's so hard to understand that i am not using debian and i don't know nothing about it lol |
| 10:06.12 | epsilon | if you even can't find debian homepage, don't use debian |
| 10:06.15 | therealbigusdick | !lol |
| 10:06.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:06.21 | blondie | zoet: and you can't even find the website? give up now. |
| 10:06.32 | zoet | thats the part 2 |
| 10:06.40 | zoet | :P |
| 10:07.14 | simonrvn | so how do you expect adduser to work properly? ;p |
| 10:07.23 | simonrvn | install debian already |
| 10:07.26 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 10:07.49 | simonrvn | debian's is the only one i've worked with that works nicely |
| 10:07.58 | zoet | i forgot the command :) |
| 10:08.06 | zoet | i was thinking that is /usr/sbin/useradd |
| 10:08.19 | Sudo|Faderhval | when using! parted to create a partiotion do i have to specify size in mb or can i use GB? |
| 10:08.29 | simonrvn | no, different. adduser is a frontend for useradd and friends |
| 10:08.42 | simonrvn | man parted |
| 10:08.49 | zoet | ok |
| 10:09.02 | Sudo|Faderhval | i read the man it dosent say -.- |
| 10:09.18 | simonrvn | there's built-in help, read it |
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| 10:10.49 | blondie | zoet: why don't you ask in #distro if you're not using debian? |
| 10:10.49 | Sudo|Faderhval | i did but i dos not say if i can use gb to specify size! |
| 10:11.10 | blondie | gb... grambits? |
| 10:11.23 | Sudo|Faderhval | gigabytes -.- |
| 10:11.38 | blondie | GB |
| 10:11.46 | blondie | unit names are case sensitive |
| 10:11.51 | Sudo|Faderhval | sorry... |
| 10:11.53 | blondie | s/names/abbreviations/ |
| 10:11.54 | erore | How do I install packages from backport? I want to install xorg on sarge. Do I put in /etc/apt/preferences Package: xorg, Pin: release a=sarge-backports, Pin-Priority: 999 and apt-get install xorg? Does it automatically satisfy dependencies even if other packages are not in preferences? |
| 10:14.07 | Vince36 | try it with apt-get -s install |
| 10:14.33 | Vince36 | with give yu what is going to be executed |
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| 10:14.40 | Vince36 | *will |
| 10:15.30 | Sudo|Faderhval | is this good enough parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary ext2 0 160GB print doesnt displaysize in MB but in GB |
| 10:15.57 | phpnuborn | http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2003/papers/bash_tips/ <<-- refers to a META key.. on PC's it says its usually ALT.. see tip # 13.. but its not working for me.. i'm using putty on windows to ssh into my vds.. any idea what other key the meta key might be? |
| 10:16.53 | Vince36 | Hi all (;, i 've put a second network card on my debian edge to do ipforwarding (eth0,eth1), In boot messages i've : |
| 10:16.54 | Vince36 | udev-event[3521]: rename_net_if: error changing interface name eth2_temp to eth1: timeout |
| 10:16.54 | Vince36 | ....so a sort of virtual device appears called eth2_temp , in order to ipforward correctly to eth1, i need to deal with : ifconfig eth2_temp 192.168.0.4 , up, down, etc...on eth1 too and after 2 mntes it works , at this time, eth0 and eth1=up, eth2_temp=down |
| 10:16.54 | Vince36 | Anyone know whats the problem with udev or something else ? |
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| 10:18.17 | Vince36 | pff |
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| 10:19.00 | Vince36 | my paste question made me being kick.... |
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| 10:21.20 | erore | what is the package name for xorg on backports? |
| 10:21.57 | streuner_ | xserver-xorg |
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| 10:23.35 | Vince36 | anyone know this "error" udev boot message with a second network card : udev-event[3521]: rename_net_if: error changing interface name eth2_temp to eth1: timeout |
| 10:24.11 | Vince36 | and then a sort of "virtual device" eth2_temp appears... |
| 10:24.44 | Vince36 | so i've eth0, eth1, and eth2_temp ... |
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| 10:29.26 | dutchfish | While installing xen 3.0.3 on etch i issued: update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.17-2-xen-amd64 - it gave error: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 150: 6918 Segmentation fault depmod ${version}. How can i solve this? |
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| 10:31.59 | karsten | !tell dutchfish about sig11 |
| 10:32.24 | karsten | dutchfish: segfaults may not be horrible, but they're not a great sign either. mkinitramfs should be pretty stable code. |
| 10:32.52 | karsten | dutchfish: Try it again. See if it's consistently borking in the same spot. If not, suspect HW issues. |
| 10:33.15 | action09 | !tell action09 about sig11 |
| 10:33.25 | dutchfish | karsten, by default during install of the xen kernel mkinitramfs-tools alos gave this error thats why i tried updating the image file |
| 10:33.29 | e-type | might it be possible to boot the net install iso as a xen guest? |
| 10:33.30 | Eulex | !selftell |
| 10:33.30 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 10:34.07 | therealbigusdick | I currently have a windows XP virtual machine which I use with vmplayer under debian amd64. Will xen allow me to run windows XP too? Will be faster than using vmplayer as I do now? (Now windows xp runs fairly fast with vmplayer on my PC). |
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| 10:34.48 | dutchfish | karsten, tried again with result : line 150: 9370 Segmentation fault depmod ${version} |
| 10:35.11 | karsten | dutchfish: Smells like it might be SW. Where'd you get the Xen packages? |
| 10:35.29 | dutchfish | karsten, i reinstalled this machine, it had xen 3.0.2 running for weeks without a glitch, i dont suspect faulty hardware |
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| 10:35.51 | dutchfish | karsten, bins from debian repository |
| 10:36.06 | karsten | dutchfish: Well, those are pretty much your two options. Rule out or in one or the other. |
| 10:36.14 | dutchfish | karsten, i used netinstall amd64 daily build |
| 10:36.31 | karsten | therealbigusdick: Last I checked you'd need VT HW support to run XP under Xen. |
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| 10:37.14 | therealbigusdick | I see. What does "VT HW support" mean? Is some kind of feature of the processor? |
| 10:37.23 | dutchfish | karsten, i am running xen on em64t Pentium D |
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| 10:38.00 | therealbigusdick | (I use amd64 athlon)->do I need to buy new hardware to run xen? That doesn't sound good. |
| 10:38.10 | syntaxx | whats the screenshots command for getting desktop screenshots? i forgot ^^ |
| 10:38.10 | karsten | therealbigusdick: Yes. |
| 10:38.12 | therealbigusdick | to run windows inside xen |
| 10:38.19 | karsten | therealbigusdick: RTFM on that. |
| 10:38.32 | dutchfish | karsten, i dont understand ... it might be SW... can you explain? |
| 10:39.24 | karsten | dutchfish: No, I'm going to bed. |
| 10:39.44 | Vince36 | therealbigusdick, VT for virtual terminal ? |
| 10:39.45 | dutchfish | karsten, good night and thx |
| 10:40.03 | karsten | dutchfish: strace and reinstall may be useful tricks, however, as would be checking your kernel log (/var/log/kern.log) for any related issues. |
| 10:40.06 | Eulex | syntaxx, import -w root filename.png or scrot filename.png |
| 10:40.20 | karsten | therealbigusdick: vt == Intel's HW virtualization support. AMD has something similar. |
| 10:40.23 | dutchfish | karsten, will do |
| 10:40.26 | therealbigusdick | is this a hardware-only feature Vince36? |
| 10:40.45 | karsten | therealbigusdick: http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/2006/v10i3/foreword.htm |
| 10:41.02 | karsten | therealbigusdick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_Technology |
| 10:41.07 | karsten | therealbigusdick: Should cover AMD as well. |
| 10:41.11 | therealbigusdick | karsten, thanks for the pointers |
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| 10:41.25 | Vince36 | therealbigusdick, ...i must be wrong... thought it was for emulation of old VT320 terminal |
| 10:42.06 | therealbigusdick | Vince36, oh no that's something else, I was asking about xen virtualization technology :) |
| 10:42.54 | utrrrongeeb | I've been writing a shell script, and have been having trouble with adding certain characters to a parameter (variable). I'm trying to add a newline and some asterisks to a variable. Neither work. |
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| 10:44.53 | therealbigusdick | hmmm given that itanium is so damn slow I would like to see it running running VT ugggghhh.. |
| 10:45.23 | Vince36 | therealbigusdick, hihi |
| 10:45.34 | therealbigusdick | hmmmm |
| 10:45.38 | therealbigusdick | "As virtualization software vendors have begun to use these new hardware virtualization features, benchmarks are showing that the hardware virtualization features do not provide any general performance boost, when compared with an entirely software-based approach." |
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| 10:45.53 | therealbigusdick | ok, no need to invest in new hardware to run xen :) |
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| 10:46.23 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 10:46.47 | therealbigusdick | that quote was from wikipedia |
| 10:46.52 | Vince36 | xjkx, open it with file-roller |
| 10:47.10 | mynullvoid | why is that my dpkg -l shows: rc sysklogd 1.4.1-17 System Logging Daemon : eventhough I had deleted the package. How could I remove it? |
| 10:47.57 | Eulex | mynullvoid, that means that config files are still present |
| 10:48.00 | Eulex | !purge |
| 10:48.00 | dpkg | i guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 10:48.24 | Vince36 | mynullvoid, dpkg -P sysklogd |
| 10:48.47 | phpnuborn | does anyone here have win-xp with vmplayer running a linux distro? |
| 10:49.09 | mynullvoid | wow thanks bro |
| 10:50.13 | therealbigusdick | phpnuborn, I do |
| 10:50.17 | therealbigusdick | windows xp |
| 10:51.42 | phpnuborn | linux inside windows or windows inside linux? |
| 10:51.49 | therealbigusdick | windows inside linux |
| 10:51.59 | ayaa | wich repository does provide "hotplug" package ? |
| 10:52.27 | phpnuborn | lol.. i wanted to go the other way.. |
| 10:52.49 | therealbigusdick | oh I missunderstood |
| 10:52.52 | phpnuborn | try linux on my windows pc.. |
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| 10:54.10 | tralala | ayaa, /msg dpkg search |
| 10:54.10 | phpnuborn | can you install windows-based programs inside your vmplayer? |
| 10:54.59 | therealbigusdick | sure, I it is no problem |
| 10:55.17 | CharminTheMoose | oOGneaOo,what's wrong with vmplayer? |
| 10:55.32 | therealbigusdick | oOGneaOo, really? I am running it right now and it works... why do you say it is crap? |
| 10:55.58 | tralala | does it cost anything to run vmplayer? |
| 10:56.00 | phpnuborn | i was wondering if the vmplayer app limits what you can do with a linux distro.. |
| 10:56.06 | oOGneaOo | CharminTheMoose: i installed it on a system to run a winxp session. when i upgraded the system, it stopped working - as in, i go to run it, and it doesn't display anything on the screen |
| 10:56.11 | oOGneaOo | tralala: no, vmplayer is free |
| 10:56.31 | therealbigusdick | oOGneaOo, ok, that means you have bad luck. Not that vmplayer is crap |
| 10:56.32 | mateuszk | I need help |
| 10:56.33 | oOGneaOo | so i uninstalled it and installed it again. even moved my config out of the way - nada, does the same thing |
| 10:56.35 | mateuszk | I cant remove package |
| 10:56.41 | CharminTheMoose | that sucks |
| 10:56.43 | mateuszk | due to segfault |
| 10:56.46 | oOGneaOo | mateuszk: can't help without details |
| 10:56.46 | therealbigusdick | oOGneaOo, bad luck, it works perfect on my machine |
| 10:56.46 | mateuszk | any help? |
| 10:57.04 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, dpkg -P beast produce segfault |
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| 10:57.13 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, apt-get -f install doesnt help |
| 10:57.13 | phpnuborn | oOGneaOo, were you able to uninstall vmplayer? |
| 10:57.24 | oOGneaOo | phpnuborn: yes. |
| 10:57.29 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, I cant install/purge in any way |
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| 10:57.30 | oOGneaOo | phpnuborn: i already said that. |
| 10:57.37 | mateuszk | Any help with that plz? |
| 10:57.41 | oOGneaOo | mateuszk: do you have the package? |
| 10:57.42 | oOGneaOo | !plz |
| 10:57.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 10:57.47 | phpnuborn | so no harm, no foul? |
| 10:57.52 | oOGneaOo | and stop begging, i'm already trying to help |
| 10:58.01 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, yes |
| 10:58.04 | oOGneaOo | if you beg once more i'll stop helping. |
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| 10:58.25 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, rH beast 0.6.6-6.1 |
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| 10:58.35 | oOGneaOo | sec |
| 10:58.39 | oOGneaOo | be patient. |
| 10:58.47 | tralala | can you use vmplayer to install the guest OS or you need to have it already installed for it to work? |
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| 10:58.56 | therealbigusdick | (off-topic) phpnuborn, this is highly off topic but windows in my vmplayer does the following: if I don't do anything with windows for a while (a few minutes) windows logs me out and I need to write my password again to enter windows. Do you know how to disable that feature? |
| 10:59.14 | oOGneaOo | mateuszk: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 10:59.16 | oOGneaOo | !branch |
| 10:59.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, branch is what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
| 10:59.20 | therealbigusdick | tralala, you cannot create virtual machine images with vmplayer |
| 10:59.28 | therealbigusdick | tralala, I build my vms with qemu |
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| 10:59.32 | oOGneaOo | tralala: needs to be created already |
| 10:59.34 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, sid |
| 10:59.41 | therealbigusdick | and then run vmplayer with it |
| 10:59.48 | tralala | okay, thank you both |
| 10:59.51 | oOGneaOo | mateuszk: ok cool, same here |
| 10:59.59 | phpnuborn | therealbigusdick, nope sorry.. |
| 11:00.12 | therealbigusdick | ok thanks, damn windows is annoying |
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| 11:03.39 | phpnuborn | therealbigusdick, are there places other than vmware that lists available vmplayer vapps? |
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| 11:04.13 | xjkx | if i cant mount a music disk, how can i listen to it in xmms? |
| 11:04.26 | Adriano | question: my sarge install is trying to find hdc and hdd at boot, but those devices don't exist, aren't in fstab nor any mention to them is made in grub's menu.list. Where should I look for them? |
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| 11:04.55 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: why does your install think that hdc and hdd should be there in the first place? |
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| 11:05.12 | Adriano | I found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=190939 similar to my problem, but I don't seem to have a /etc/sysconfig dir either |
| 11:05.16 | Adriano | beats me |
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| 11:05.31 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: how long have you been using debian? |
| 11:05.31 | Adriano | my dvd reader is hdb, and the hd is hda |
| 11:05.44 | Adriano | sporadically |
| 11:05.57 | oOGneaOo | and you've never used redhat? |
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| 11:06.01 | Adriano | what does it have to do with the question? |
| 11:06.12 | Adriano | fedora, and redhat 9 |
| 11:06.14 | oOGneaOo | quite a bit, actually |
| 11:06.29 | Assassin5 | can you make an iptables rule run a command. e.g. when a certain even occurs through the firewall, it would send an email? |
| 11:06.31 | Adriano | I see |
| 11:06.41 | oOGneaOo | debian doesn't have /etc/sysconfig/, that's a redhat thing |
| 11:06.45 | lzh1056 | i see |
| 11:06.48 | Adriano | ok, I see that |
| 11:06.58 | Adriano | is there an equivalent place? |
| 11:07.18 | lzh1056 | yes |
| 11:07.40 | oOGneaOo | not really, it's all setup differently. everything's in /etc but the real problem seems to be that you've taken a hd and plugged it into this system that already had debian on it, right? |
| 11:07.44 | tralala | Adriano, not really, debian has a quite different /etc layout |
| 11:07.48 | Adriano | nope |
| 11:08.03 | Adriano | installed sarge on the system fresh, all was as is |
| 11:08.07 | oOGneaOo | well, you obviously changed something since you installed it there |
| 11:08.16 | oOGneaOo | either that or you didn't set something up right |
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| 11:08.31 | tralala | Adriano, why don't you grep -r hdd /etc as see if something will show up |
| 11:08.43 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: are the 3 hd's on the same controller? |
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| 11:08.46 | Adriano | I don't seem to recall anything like that, maybe I didn't setup the system correctly |
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| 11:08.53 | Adriano | I only have 1 hd |
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| 11:09.04 | oOGneaOo | then it's only hda then |
| 11:09.14 | oOGneaOo | of course there aren't hdc or hdd, you don't have them physically connected |
| 11:09.14 | Adriano | as I said |
| 11:09.36 | oOGneaOo | so how did the system get fooled into thinking that they were there? :) |
| 11:09.43 | Adriano | the grep only found "hddown" |
| 11:09.56 | Adriano | that's what I'd like to know |
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| 11:10.09 | oOGneaOo | is debian the only os installed? |
| 11:10.13 | Adriano | yes |
| 11:10.24 | oOGneaOo | k, and how did you get back into it? |
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| 11:10.32 | tralala | Adriano, grep it today, please. Also where does it try to search for hdd - the kernel boot part or the init part? |
| 11:10.44 | Adriano | it's an ancient celeron 70, and I'm currently on it via ssh |
| 11:10.57 | Adriano | tralala: grep was done not a minute ago |
| 11:11.06 | lzh1056 | it's just wasting time here! |
| 11:11.24 | oOGneaOo | lzh1056: leave your mom out of this! |
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| 11:11.43 | Adriano | oOGneaOo: I don't understand the "how did you get back into it?" question |
| 11:12.22 | tralala | Adriano, so where/when are the hdc and hdd messages appearing? |
| 11:12.22 | brianskialskdjfl | heya - how do i tell named not to create a named.run file? it's filling up my poor small disk quite quickly |
| 11:12.24 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: you got the system to boot back up somehow, how did you get the system back up? |
| 11:13.00 | Adriano | the system boots up from hda, the disk is in hda, there's never been anything under hdd or hdc |
| 11:13.10 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: you should probably check /boot/grub/menu.lst and see what the root= is set to |
| 11:13.14 | g00se | Can someone tell me why i get this dchroot error? - it happens irrespective of paths used: http://proteanit.net/misc/dchroot-err.txt |
| 11:13.19 | Adriano | hd0, 0 |
| 11:13.23 | Adriano | I did say |
| 11:13.56 | Adriano | root=/dev/hda1 |
| 11:14.33 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: so where exactly is the system trying to find hdc/hdd? |
| 11:14.42 | oOGneaOo | "at boot" is pretty vague |
| 11:14.52 | Adriano | apparently, before the init scripts start |
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| 11:15.10 | oOGneaOo | again, that's still vague. |
| 11:15.25 | oOGneaOo | are we talking about after the kernel's loading and the init level changes? |
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| 11:15.32 | tralala | Adriano, dmesg | grep 'hd[cd]' |
| 11:15.37 | oOGneaOo | er, and before the init level changes? |
| 11:16.08 | Adriano | I can pastebin my dmesg output, the errors are there |
| 11:16.16 | tralala | Adriano, go ahed |
| 11:16.19 | tralala | ahead |
| 11:16.26 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: please do |
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| 11:18.12 | g00se | How do i get Xvnc to allow remote connections to :0? |
| 11:18.19 | maxy | gcc-doc: Depends: gcc-4.1-doc (>= 4.1.1-nf0) but it is not installable |
| 11:18.23 | tralala | Adriano, are you sure the BIOS doesn't think it has disks in the secondary ide controller? |
| 11:18.33 | Adriano | http://pastebin.ca/245734 |
| 11:18.46 | maxy | where is my gcc manpage?! |
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| 11:19.39 | Adriano | tralala: I don't know, but there are no ide cables in the secondary controller. I'd have to pull up the monitor to check that (it's downstairs, stored away |
| 11:20.32 | oOGneaOo | Adriano: ok, the bios on that system is so old that it needs to be tweaked properly. there's really nothing wrong with it. what's happened is that the bios has been set to auto-detect hard drives and so the kernel is following suit - it's just saying that there aren't any hdc or hdd detected, that's all |
| 11:20.56 | Adriano | good, then teaking it should remove that, I gues |
| 11:21.17 | oOGneaOo | it should. dig the monitor out and disable the secondary ide controller |
| 11:21.23 | Adriano | what about the "parport0" messages below? ? |
| 11:21.37 | oOGneaOo | do you have anything connected to the parrallel port? |
| 11:21.41 | Adriano | no |
| 11:22.05 | oOGneaOo | ok, then check the bios settings for it too then, you may just need to tell the system not to load parport.ko |
| 11:22.11 | Adriano | good |
| 11:22.14 | Adriano | thanks |
| 11:22.17 | oOGneaOo | good luck |
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| 11:26.30 | brianski_ | anyone know how to turn named.run debugging off in debian stable? |
| 11:26.44 | brianski_ | as i mentioned before i got disconnected, it's eating up all my disk with stuff i don't care about :( |
| 11:26.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:26.46 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:28.17 | oOGneaOo | brianski: bind8 or bind9? |
| 11:28.49 | brianski | oOGneaOo: bind 8 |
| 11:28.58 | oOGneaOo | brianski: try bind9 |
| 11:29.03 | brianski | heh |
| 11:29.09 | oOGneaOo | i'm not kidding |
| 11:29.11 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 11:29.15 | brianski | i'm not migrating all my configurations just for that.... :( |
| 11:29.21 | brianski | not to mention relearning everything |
| 11:29.24 | oOGneaOo | what's to migrate? |
| 11:29.27 | brianski | are you serious? |
| 11:29.35 | brianski | well, is the named.conf format the same? |
| 11:29.40 | oOGneaOo | yes. there's not much of a curve anyway |
| 11:29.47 | brianski | hm |
| 11:30.02 | brianski | maybe i'll just rm -rf /var/cache/named and let bind fail to create that file :) |
| 11:30.04 | oOGneaOo | yeah pretty much, they just added a bunch of new options to help secure it better |
| 11:30.16 | oOGneaOo | or just link it to /dev/null ;) |
| 11:30.46 | brianski | oh good call |
| 11:30.48 | oOGneaOo | is this on a production system? |
| 11:30.59 | brianski | sort of. when people are in the office it is |
| 11:31.05 | oOGneaOo | lol |
| 11:31.20 | brianski | so if i want to go upgrading software and such i have to do that on the weekends :) |
| 11:31.20 | oOGneaOo | yeah, practice with bind9 on a personal system first, then migrate |
| 11:31.23 | oOGneaOo | it's worth it |
| 11:31.32 | oOGneaOo | i dig :) |
| 11:31.55 | brianski | and uh, not a fan of sysadmin work on the weekends :) |
| 11:32.06 | brianski | why didn't i think of the /dev/null link. sheesh |
| 11:32.09 | brianski | solved the problem |
| 11:32.11 | oOGneaOo | end of friday is always good ;) |
| 11:32.11 | brianski | thanks oOGneaOo |
| 11:32.16 | oOGneaOo | no problem |
| 11:32.25 | brianski | you really think bind9 is worth the upgrade? |
| 11:32.34 | oOGneaOo | try it out yourself and make the call |
| 11:32.35 | brianski | i remember not to long ago the openbsd folks were maintaining a fork of bind4 |
| 11:32.50 | brianski | b/c bind 8 & 9 were riddled with security holes apparently |
| 11:32.57 | brianski | actually... s/not to long ago/2-3 years ago/ |
| 11:33.06 | oOGneaOo | only if they aren't setup properly - and yeah, those were fixed long ago |
| 11:33.15 | brianski | ya |
| 11:33.23 | oOGneaOo | remember, it's open source, not windows ;) |
| 11:33.31 | oOGneaOo | that got fixed quick |
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| 11:33.36 | brianski | uhm. not to flame, but... |
| 11:33.47 | brianski | have you ever seen most open source projects's guts? :) |
| 11:33.54 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 11:33.58 | oOGneaOo | yeah, but that's not the point ;) |
| 11:34.05 | brianski | the shitiness of any system is constand :) |
| 11:34.07 | brianski | hi mynullvoid |
| 11:34.11 | brianski | constant* |
| 11:34.27 | mynullvoid | my shorewall log is displayed in the active tty, how can I have the log only displayed in tty4? |
| 11:34.38 | oOGneaOo | but some systems shovel shit more efficiently than others |
| 11:34.42 | tralala | brianski, you'll need to work really hard to convince me that there is *anybody* who has seen the guts of the _most_ open source projects! |
| 11:34.49 | jastarafi | yo |
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| 11:34.58 | brianski | tralala: boo. you know what imean :P |
| 11:35.01 | erore | how to specify version which I want to install with apt-get? I am using backports and I want to avoid installing version from standard sources? |
| 11:35.05 | jastarafi | that's a secret |
| 11:35.18 | brianski | erore: apt-get install packagename/branch |
| 11:35.24 | oOGneaOo | !backports |
| 11:35.25 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 11:35.32 | oOGneaOo | hrm |
| 11:35.34 | stoned | man fuck, they cut off my internet |
| 11:35.41 | tarzeau | getting dangerous: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 11:35.44 | stoned | I had to call just now, 5am, get it turned back on |
| 11:35.45 | brianski | No manual entry for fuck |
| 11:35.45 | oOGneaOo | that needs a new factoid actually |
| 11:35.50 | tralala | brianski, yes I do and I think you're wrong. If you have seen the code of a few popular and crappy pieces of software this does not make all the rest alike. |
| 11:35.52 | erore | brianski: -t sarge-backorts and I can be sure it installs from backports? |
| 11:35.52 | oOGneaOo | stoned: d'oh |
| 11:36.14 | stoned | apparantly they kept calling me but me being at work, couldn't take the call, I come home last night, browse the net, sleep, I wake up now and nothing works |
| 11:36.22 | stoned | had to call and pay 120$ |
| 11:36.23 | brianski | erore: i'm not sure, i just remember using apt-get install foopackage/stable or foopackage/testing a while back when i had multiple sources |
| 11:36.24 | stoned | it sucks |
| 11:36.35 | brianski | tralala: yea, you're right |
| 11:36.47 | brianski | i'm jhust saying free software is not free of suckage :) |
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| 11:37.06 | brianski | and some of the newer ones are reaaaaaallly teh suck :) but i'll stop flaming that now |
| 11:37.07 | ayaa | how to format my usb stick card ? |
| 11:37.13 | oOGneaOo | !aliasbackports |
| 11:37.13 | dpkg | from memory, aliasbackports is alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' in order to select backports as the priority source of sarge packages |
| 11:37.24 | oOGneaOo | there. |
| 11:37.33 | tralala | no software is but only free software has the prospect of becoming as bugfree as software could be |
| 11:37.36 | brianski | ayaa: mkfs.msdos /dev/ums0 ? |
| 11:37.50 | stoned | why not just pin the packages you want and not use -t |
| 11:37.54 | brianski | tralala: i don't disagree |
| 11:37.55 | oOGneaOo | brianski: it's all about how well the software is supported :) |
| 11:37.58 | stoned | either works, but I find pinning easier |
| 11:38.00 | stoned | !pinning |
| 11:38.00 | dpkg | methinks apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 11:38.03 | tralala | ayaa, why do you want to format it? |
| 11:38.16 | brianski | err ums0 is a usb mouse isn't it... |
| 11:38.27 | tralala | ouch! |
| 11:38.31 | brianski | s/ums0/whatever usb mass storage device is called on linux/ |
| 11:38.34 | oOGneaOo | stoned: i've done the pinning too, but i've also seen pinning backfire |
| 11:38.37 | tralala | I don't want fat formatted mouse |
| 11:38.44 | brianski | hehe |
| 11:38.58 | brianski | my dog oes, she just killed one literally after i read that |
| 11:39.09 | brianski | and now it is sitting next to my computer, as a sign of respect. |
| 11:39.14 | stoned | how could pinning backfile, you specify specific packages, not entire distro lists like pin: source or some such crazy shit |
| 11:39.15 | brianski | great... |
| 11:39.22 | stoned | pin package versions |
| 11:39.30 | oOGneaOo | stoned: apt-get upgrade |
| 11:39.32 | stoned | s/backfile/backfire |
| 11:39.41 | oOGneaOo | stoned: oh, and you can make pinning apply to all packages |
| 11:39.45 | tralala | a real mouse or a computer one? |
| 11:39.55 | stoned | of course you can, thats why you don't want to |
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| 11:40.27 | stoned | and you still use apt-get |
| 11:40.27 | oOGneaOo | do it however you want to |
| 11:40.31 | stoned | whats wrong with you Gnea |
| 11:40.31 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 11:40.37 | oOGneaOo | i'm not stoned lol |
| 11:40.37 | stoned | I should smack you :) |
| 11:40.47 | stoned | lol |
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| 11:41.03 | oOGneaOo | hrm, i should go to the store |
| 11:41.36 | stoned | bills, bills, bills, more bills |
| 11:41.47 | oOGneaOo | buffalo bills! |
| 11:42.32 | erore | I am trying to install openoffice from backports but apt-get returns unmet dependencies: openoffice.org-base, openoffice.org-java-common, but I thought they should install automatically to satisfy dependencies? |
| 11:43.09 | brianski | erore: they should. but sometimes they don't. so try to add them to your commandline and see what happens |
| 11:43.18 | stoned | I'm a tool |
| 11:43.21 | tralala | erore, use -t sarge-backports |
| 11:43.32 | erore | tralala: i am using |
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| 11:44.12 | tralala | interesting... are these packages in backports? |
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| 11:46.02 | erore | tralala: what is missing in backports is libxalan2-java |
| 11:46.25 | erore | on which openoffice.org-java-common depends |
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| 11:47.22 | tralala | maybe this is why it can't be installed |
| 11:48.20 | erore | but libxalan2-java is not in stable (sarge) distro either... but I suppose if they recompile openoffice 2 for sarge it should work |
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| 11:50.20 | tralala | erore, this could mean that openoffice2 is not fully backported yet |
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| 11:53.33 | erore | tralala: it can be installed from contrib of stable and it works then, thanks for help |
| 11:53.37 | octobre | where would you look if mdadm --grow had no effect at all on your system ? I'm trying to expand a raid5 array but it's like nothing happens. / nothing in dmesg, syslog, nor /proc/mdstat |
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| 11:54.49 | GooE | how can i extract/view .img files? |
| 11:55.29 | valdyn | GooE: is it supposed to be a picture? |
| 11:56.36 | valdyn | octobre: uname -r |
| 11:57.46 | action09 | GooE file the_file.img to know the exact type of file, it could be an image or data to be burned like iso ? |
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| 11:58.06 | valdyn | guess its a dvd image, but who knows |
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| 12:00.25 | Adriano | hm |
| 12:00.27 | Adriano | curious |
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| 12:00.57 | Adriano | hdc and hdd are now probed when I reboot but seemingly not when I powerup |
| 12:01.45 | Adriano | (I removed them from the bios, yes) |
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| 12:02.46 | Abst | Is there a way to do a netinstall /without/ a spare CD? Im on Ubuntu Live |
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| 12:02.55 | tralala | Adriano, try some kernel parameters to stop the probing |
| 12:03.26 | Adriano | like e.g.? I tried with "acpi=off" but it doesn't seem to work here |
| 12:03.52 | dutchfish | how can i solve: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-modules-2.6.17-2-xen-amd64_2.6.17-9_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 |
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| 12:04.15 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: download the .deb again. |
| 12:04.32 | dondelelcaro | (unless there is a more informative error above it) |
| 12:04.37 | tralala | Adriano, install the kernel docs - there is a file describing the paramters in there. |
| 12:04.46 | Adriano | ok |
| 12:04.46 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i did it several times and apt-get clean doesnt fix this either |
| 12:05.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell dutchfish -about bat |
| 12:05.57 | Adriano | wrong (me), it polls the inexistent drives each time I don't look at the bios settings. Time to read the kernel docs |
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| 12:06.29 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, alos apt-get clean && apt-get -f install doesnt fix this |
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| 12:06.58 | mosgreg | I guess there are s-ata-driver for debian? is there anything special I need to take care of? do I need to use special kind of s-ata-cards/any special producers/chipsets? |
| 12:07.56 | tralala | mosgreg, depending on your hardware it might work out of the box, or it might need special installer or it might not work at all. |
| 12:08.07 | dutchfish | mosgreg, i have good experience with 3ware raid and sata cards |
| 12:08.27 | ofer0 | the "home basic" version of Vista will cost almost 300$ |
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| 12:08.48 | tralala | ofer0, so what? |
| 12:09.03 | ofer0 | but it is so basic that people will be forced to upgrade to the next package, home permium, which costs 360$ |
| 12:09.19 | tralala | ofer0, are you a troll? |
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| 12:09.44 | ofer0 | tralala, I just try to understand why people are paying hunderds of dollars for a new GUI |
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| 12:10.08 | ofer0 | tralala, now I really want you to explain what makes you think I'm a troll. because that comment was useless and stupid |
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| 12:10.18 | jones20992 | does anyone have any exp booting debian from flash ? |
| 12:10.21 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 12:10.26 | ofer0 | hey bintut |
| 12:10.29 | mosgreg | s-ata is for hdd-only? |
| 12:10.30 | bintut | is there a top-like tool for postgresql? |
| 12:10.36 | Adriano | ofer0: this is #debian, we don't really care about windows vista |
| 12:10.40 | bintut | ofer0: hello.. :) |
| 12:10.40 | SpComb | jones20992: booting debian itself or the installer? |
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| 12:11.06 | Adriano | ofer0: so that's why we're (I'm) assuming you just want to troll a bit |
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| 12:11.46 | ofer0 | Adriano, no, I do not want to troll. I already told you I'm just suprised. |
| 12:11.54 | jones20992 | spcomb well i ambuilding a new computer and i have the chance to put the whole os install on a 2g cf card as hda1 and the swap and other files on hda2 |
| 12:12.10 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, can you explain what you mean by -about bat? |
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| 12:12.19 | SpComb | hda is a disk, hda1 hda2 partitions, first of all |
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| 12:12.35 | jones20992 | sorry i am sort of a newb |
| 12:12.53 | SpComb | jones20992: I think in the installer all the storage devices will show up, so you should just be able to select your cf card (which will probably be sda or sdb) and install to there |
| 12:13.03 | SpComb | never tried it though, I've just seen my usb key there |
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| 12:13.41 | jones20992 | i was told that it will boot faster and wi be more stabel being that the pc will be installed in to a car |
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| 12:14.33 | jones20992 | do you forsee any problems i might run in to ? |
| 12:14.50 | SpComb | flash memory has a limited number of write cycles before it dies |
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| 12:15.05 | SpComb | so after you write a block 100k - 1m times, it will stop working |
| 12:15.14 | SpComb | and it will get slower over time |
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| 12:15.47 | SpComb | "Note: flash memory supports only a limited number of Erase/Write cycles (about 300,000) before a particular "sector" can no longer be written." |
| 12:15.50 | SpComb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_flash |
| 12:15.56 | SpComb | reading is fine though |
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| 12:16.06 | GooE | i am trying to mount a initrd image file which is in ext2 ,file initrd , initrd: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data, mount -o loop -t ext2 initrd ./directory and i get mount: Operation not supported |
| 12:16.27 | jones20992 | thats why i was thinking of only installing the os ...after the install i wont need to change it or update it for some time as i know already all the packages i will need for it |
| 12:16.57 | tralala | GooE, as root? |
| 12:17.00 | SpComb | just be sure to seperate /var/, /tmp/ and other such places from it |
| 12:17.01 | GooE | tralala, yes |
| 12:17.26 | tralala | GooE, which branch, which kernel? |
| 12:17.34 | jones20992 | its for a "car-pc" that will only be used to play music and play video |
| 12:17.42 | GooE | tralala, does it matter? |
| 12:17.58 | dutchfish | !tell dutchfish -about bat |
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| 12:18.06 | tralala | GooE, it does for me. |
| 12:19.22 | jones20992 | spcomb thank you for the info :) |
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| 12:23.01 | snider | how many disk are for debian instalation? |
| 12:24.03 | CharminTheMoose | snider:14 or so |
| 12:24.09 | SubStack | just do a net install |
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| 12:24.27 | snider | can i install with one cd? |
| 12:24.42 | snider | how kubuntu? one cd, and updates or something for net? |
| 12:24.56 | SubStack | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 12:25.12 | SubStack | debian is not k?ubuntu |
| 12:25.16 | snider | thanks' i'll check now |
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| 12:25.40 | rohan | any chance that etch will have python 2.5 as the default python ? |
| 12:25.55 | tarzeau | rohan: check packages.debian.org |
| 12:26.12 | rohan | tarzeau: that says 2.4.x is the default |
| 12:26.15 | jones20992 | whats a good channel for script ?'s |
| 12:26.18 | rohan | but i meant to ask, is 2.5 in transition / |
| 12:26.25 | rohan | tarzeau: btw, did your !popcon today ? :) |
| 12:26.25 | tralala | jones20992, #bash |
| 12:26.39 | rohan | jones20992: scripts in which language ? |
| 12:26.40 | rosen37 | PLease I did a apt-get dist-upgrade and I m using now the kernel 2.6.17-2 and I wanted to know how to install nvidia drivers now? |
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| 12:27.07 | rohan | rosen37: how did you install them before ? packages, or the official binary ? |
| 12:27.26 | rohan | !tell rosen37 about nvidia |
| 12:27.40 | tosh| | I disabled passwordauthentication in sshd_config and restarted the daemon but sshd still asks a password? any ideas? -v says its still allowed? |
| 12:27.41 | rosen37 | the last time was an old time (using the nvidia-installer.sh) :s |
| 12:27.52 | jones20992 | a bash script i think (i am a newb) but i made a cool osx desktop for ubuntu/debian and my buddys want to know hoto do it so i thought i could write a script for it |
| 12:27.54 | rohan | rosen37: then this time around follow dpkg :) |
| 12:27.57 | rohan | (the bot) |
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| 12:28.04 | tralala | tosh|, disable pam |
| 12:28.14 | snider | with one net installarion can i use KDE? |
| 12:28.23 | snider | starts with kde, gnome or what? |
| 12:28.33 | rohan | snider: please be more clear |
| 12:28.38 | tralala | !d-i snider |
| 12:28.38 | dpkg | snider, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:29.02 | tralala | !ig snider |
| 12:29.02 | tarzeau | rohan: sure! |
| 12:29.08 | tralala | !ig |
| 12:29.09 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 12:29.34 | rosen37 | rohan: Can you give me more infos? I see nvidia-kernel packages but not in version 2.6.17 |
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| 12:30.07 | rohan | rosen37: follow dpkg's instructions - i dont use nvidia, so i cannot help you more |
| 12:30.14 | rosen37 | rohan: ah ok |
| 12:30.17 | rohan | !tell rosen37 about nvidia |
| 12:30.27 | snider | i have installed kubuntu, but i wanna use debian, but Kubuntu is KDE enviroment...what is the enviroment o Debian (when starts with the net installation) |
| 12:30.58 | tralala | snider, read the installation manual and you will know the answer |
| 12:31.11 | rohan | snider: no environment in the default netinstall |
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| 12:31.27 | snider | konsole mode? |
| 12:31.29 | rohan | !tell snider about install kde |
| 12:31.40 | rohan | snider: console ;) |
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| 12:32.43 | snider | a litle hard.. |
| 12:32.43 | tiolpxe | is there a release of firefox 2.0 for debian sarge? |
| 12:32.43 | snider | i'm noobie |
| 12:32.43 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 12:32.43 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 12:32.43 | tralala | tiolpxe, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:32.43 | tralala | if there is one it will be in bpo |
| 12:32.44 | rohan | snider: ok, after netinstall completes, just do "sudo apt-get install kde-core" |
| 12:33.13 | tosh| | tralala did that, now it asks for a key but its not excepting my key |
| 12:34.05 | tralala | tosh|, have you configured the target user to accept this key? |
| 12:34.37 | tiolpxe | tralala, thnx |
| 12:34.44 | tralala | tiolpxe, you're welcome |
| 12:34.49 | snider | the installation is in konsole mode? |
| 12:34.52 | tosh| | tralala the pubkey is stored as /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 12:35.33 | tosh| | tralala hold on :) |
| 12:35.35 | tralala | tosh|, are the permissions of .ssh 700? |
| 12:35.43 | tosh| | tralala it should be authorized_keys, not .authorized_keys |
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| 12:35.45 | tosh| | works now :) |
| 12:35.49 | tosh| | thnx |
| 12:36.01 | tralala | tosh|, you're welcome |
| 12:37.08 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, please can you look at this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4430 |
| 12:37.45 | snider | when i install debian...is in english lenguaje?...cause my native lenguaje is spanish |
| 12:38.05 | rohan | snider: i think you can install the language, its the first step |
| 12:38.14 | snider | will download it? |
| 12:39.12 | tiolpxe | how can i change my screen resolution in debian |
| 12:39.35 | oOGneaOo | tiolpxe: ctrl-alt-+ |
| 12:39.38 | rohan | tiolpxe: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 12:39.52 | rohan | tiolpxe: or use krandrtray if your xorg.conf is already configured that way |
| 12:41.02 | snider | have i to install grub or this will install for defaut? |
| 12:41.16 | rohan | snider: grub is the default bootloader |
| 12:41.45 | tiolpxe | rohan, in the config file it only has resolutions 640 and 800 |
| 12:42.00 | rohan | tiolpxe: ok, then use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 12:42.19 | snider | ok, thanks |
| 12:43.08 | tiolpxe | says its not installed |
| 12:43.24 | rohan | bbl .. |
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| 12:44.06 | tralala | !drxx tiolpxe |
| 12:44.06 | dpkg | tiolpxe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:45.35 | tralala | xrandr can switch between the configured resolutions without making the visible area scroll as ctrl_alt_+ does |
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| 12:46.47 | SCHNUPPI | * Benutzer in #debian: SCHNUPPI marculix Piet [-NoX-] kromagg tsurk0 cahoot scanf Gavrila psycodad rosen37 Irrumator snider CharminTheMoose tiolpxe nkuttler elias_ TIger_IT joyr GooE SerajewelKS guk yperite streuner valdyn SkareCrow bintut Aubustou_ dpkg _JusSx_ mastroDani rumpl rem__ mosgreg mirezwer Abst dr_wut octobre _zfr_ Ugly_Duck Element14 Firestarter raidman apv cyzie Keps action09 hq4ever stone |
| 12:46.48 | SCHNUPPI | d Hoxzer pihhan g8m mk3y Holborn paat omry LeVA KoluCCi cydork |
| 12:46.48 | SCHNUPPI | * Benutzer in #debian: Suprano_ no_err cqst dutchfish kakarot frido ArmEagle syntaxx Feax janbatisuto Vince36 DoberMann xorix solars jatt cafuego war95 Shachar linuxmigration mdo_ locke jugglinx yure anapivirtua ktwilight_ Akita-Ken giupy Silent_Chaos`5D stray_ desti DaveLib Danamania Moorenkopf strankan wazzles Jussi xtr-III Eulex Benton FinnTux JJ|Laptop e-type Zeit|awy ThomasPorter CompWizrd abchirk |
| 12:46.50 | SCHNUPPI | k-man lowlevel insmod karrotx egypcio Alam_Debian jdjs69 |
| 12:46.50 | *** kick/#debian [SCHNUPPI!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 12:47.01 | SCHNUPPI | xx Agrajag- x_link xuser FallenHitokiri radical__ YogSothoth |
| 12:47.01 | Element14 | wtf? |
| 12:47.04 | SCHNUPPI | * Benutzer in #debian: aao_pwner Caelum balony_ h3sp4wn ircminer03 tonyb2006 xingu ptlis therealbigusdick efaistos_ Heartsbane Sudo|Faderhval Malagmyr mlowe GTX nickm_ Miesco yos ldexter Loady_ g333k_work cmeme dserban dbw kyuss nima alindeman GecKo MoDaX secher caplink811_log Seko CBG outlaw84 fireba11_grr nlight pingouin GrimWald disasm ryan` SPF hggh RinzeWind tuvwx zinx MetaPhaze LordScinawa lowkey |
| 12:47.12 | SCHNUPPI | tuv the_empty yang epsilon ZeeEyes nextstate2 stroke69 cureless |
| 12:47.12 | SCHNUPPI | * Benutzer in #debian: Ra1stlin Snake-Eyes keyboarder rE Piggy jshoenberger Coweater ApEtc Gathond Barnes iter slon Adrian diesel multi_io ekix Eclipser asg nvzn vertigo znx amphi faked cricht0ff ekkikrist SpComb esteel lancel00t theklone schitzo Kvant Lamperi poptix lilalinux anordby ShdB DerJamster petemc agnostic-c faljse dondek daedalus_ sts dort felipe Dunedan Nighteye sussudio rpc Rydekull jae Sha |
| 12:47.15 | GTX | :/ |
| 12:47.16 | SCHNUPPI | dur CAiRO dendrite KlemenS Ferret zarkdav Rockj Gumli JoshH |
| 12:47.21 | tralala | !ops SCHNUPPI is annoying bot |
| 12:47.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tralala complains about: SCHNUPPI is annoying bot |
| 12:47.21 | raidman | kick him out |
| 12:47.27 | SCHNUPPI | * Benutzer in #debian: jzu_ Ironhand M0ffe BasL Kobaz evilgeek Langer moshii joepa SimAtWork htaccess Gokee2 jdhutchin1 sander_ n3uro dotCOMmie oOGneaOo scoopex jes-o-mat emag stew Dewi esk Celelibi roo9 pngwn litage roz dan2 ctd evil_andy ofer0 boonle`off berkes xorllu helmut sohmestra sunny256 ukine bwlang_ Bry2k200 Sememmon damosu ex0s yonkeltron PupenoR sparr smoser sng alexscott Dave123 itchi corp- |
| 12:47.27 | SCHNUPPI | mule pingu FUF cached_ Akewa pstickne ravenbird ben42 oKtosiTe-server |
| 12:47.27 | SCHNUPPI | * Benutzer in #debian: `ns` inc|freaky _sss_ sabbat Kim^J hal1on xdr der0b george Ronin ledet cout shay djw tam justin azeem setog3 samiam Bjoern-Erik Magilla orafu opqdonut Notorious Bulldog mutante MaliutaWrk HolyGoat nemo goingtomoonbrb Bhaal bungley derril Nameeater tdn Icb3a finrod erxz_paste Arsenick vsmack buu skidj_ Flusher Niels- FireBlade tompaw69 js_ Deepa niles xopher aardvarc bernie spike72 |
| 12:47.29 | Element14 | kick kick |
| 12:47.45 | CharminTheMoose | kick IT |
| 12:47.47 | CharminTheMoose | kick it |
| 12:47.53 | Kim^J | OMG DIE! |
| 12:48.04 | Dewi | are they doing this for fun or commercial advantage? |
| 12:48.07 | Celelibi | kb !!! |
| 12:48.13 | CharminTheMoose | for fun? |
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| 12:48.23 | CharminTheMoose | * Received a CTCP CDCC LIST from Piet |
| 12:48.28 | CharminTheMoose | i'm being stalked! |
| 12:48.39 | stupidnewb | could some one tell me how to install genome-dock ? |
| 12:48.40 | Piet | CharminTheMoose: sorry |
| 12:48.47 | Piet | i meant to send that to the bot |
| 12:48.48 | CharminTheMoose | it's cool Piet |
| 12:49.30 | CharminTheMoose | the bot is dead? |
| 12:49.44 | Piet | * [SCHNUPPI] #debian #jews #ubuntu |
| 12:50.15 | Piet | maybe all of them join #jews so this might be a good indication of bottyness |
| 12:50.37 | tralala | stupidnewb, /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:52.22 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
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| 12:52.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:52.37 | tralala | horay! |
| 12:52.40 | Piet | no response to any ctcp |
| 12:52.47 | oOGneaOo | yay |
| 12:52.55 | Kim^J | Piet: Maybe google on scripts/bots using #jews as a channel maybe? |
| 12:52.59 | oOGneaOo | !beer #debian |
| 12:53.42 | Kim^J | !beer azeem |
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| 12:57.22 | KAKAKAKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.22 | KAKAKAKA | * Benutzer in #debian: ArmEagle syntaxx Feax janbatisuto Vince36 DoberMann xorix solars jatt cafuego war95 Shachar linuxmigration mdo_ locke jugglinx yure anapivirtua ktwilight_ Akita-Ken giupy Silent_Chaos`5D stray_ desti DaveLib Danamania Moorenkopf strankan wazzles Jussi xtr-III Eulex FinnTux JJ|Laptop e-type Zeit|awy ThomasPorter CompWizrd abchirk k-man lowlevel insmod karrotx egypcio Alam_Debian jd |
| 12:57.24 | KAKAKAKA | js69 DimmuR phisher1 eno-zzz icyfire0573 flamesro1k tralala |
| 12:57.26 | KAKAKAKA | * Benutzer in #debian: ayaa clocker fluxi blujay groogs fridim quebee SubStack adlpaf De_Mon Cabal bismark Adrian_S Ick Ox0F0-0FF rob owdondek_ relaxed Evixion victorh meff mendred jesseman_ colby verbose idealm Kinks Huahua devicenull` acc_ Xenguy brunner lxuserr denmaeth wakejagr raf256 peterrooney icub3d faust_ Althaser cpw Parhelion deadcat niroxx Agrajag- x_link xuser FallenHitokiri radical__ YogSo |
| 12:57.31 | KAKAKAKA | thoth aao_pwner Caelum balony_ h3sp4wn ircminer03 tonyb2006 |
| 12:57.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 12:57.33 | *** kick/#debian [KAKAKAKA!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 12:57.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:57.37 | Kim^J | Thanks, |
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| 12:57.42 | KAKAKAKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.44 | KAKAKAKA | * Benutzer in #debian: Coweater ApEtc Gathond Barnes iter slon Adrian diesel multi_io ekix Eclipser asg nvzn vertigo znx amphi faked cricht0ff ekkikrist SpComb esteel lancel00t theklone schitzo Kvant Lamperi poptix lilalinux anordby ShdB DerJamster petemc agnostic-c faljse dondek daedalus_ sts dort felipe Dunedan Nighteye sussudio rpc Rydekull jae Shadur CAiRO dendrite KlemenS Ferret zarkdav Rockj Gumli |
| 12:57.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 12:57.46 | Kim^J | KICK BAN! |
| 12:57.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-66-41-107-174.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] by azeem |
| 12:57.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
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| 12:57.54 | *** kick/#debian [KAKAKAKA!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 12:57.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
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| 12:57.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | Damn, what those bots are even for anyways ? |
| 12:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 678] by debhelper |
| 12:58.06 | abrotman | annoyance .. like all the rest |
| 12:58.12 | amphi | just noise |
| 12:58.24 | Gumboot | When I do an apt-get remove, there are a bunch of packages that Debian wants to _add_ a bunch of other packages that I don't want. How do I find out why it's trying to pull them in? |
| 12:58.29 | cyzie | stupid kakakak |
| 12:58.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | Must have an other goal... you can't just waste time coding an "annoyance" bot..... |
| 12:58.31 | Element14 | they're for entertainment. |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: good .. go find out |
| 12:58.49 | Gumboot | Err... I broke that sentence, didn't I. |
| 12:58.56 | tralala | hmm... those parents should really pay more attention to thier kiddies |
| 12:59.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | Damn.... people just should buy a life |
| 12:59.06 | raf256 | Ox0F0-0FF: they are too ugly to get laid, such bots are all the fun they get |
| 12:59.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 12:59.18 | bintut | anyone here can give me a good way to monitor using smartmontools or an informative /etc/smartd.conf for a SATA HDD at /dev/sda ? |
| 12:59.19 | abrotman | Gumboot: paste it |
| 12:59.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 12:59.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:59.21 | itchi | What's the right way to use remotely GUI apps? Strart an ssh session then screen the multiples windows in screen? |
| 12:59.22 | Kim^J | Can't we have a restriction that you must be registered Freenoder to join? |
| 12:59.32 | Element14 | now the bored ones here can ponder the reason why this jerk wrote this stupid bot in the first place.... |
| 12:59.36 | abrotman | because ... that limits the people we can help |
| 12:59.37 | bintut | anyone here can give me a good way to monitor using smartmontools or an informative reports /etc/smartd.conf for a SATA HDD at /dev/sda ? |
| 12:59.58 | Kim^J | abrotman: I know. But we can't really provide help with bots spamming all the time. |
| 13:00.00 | Gumboot | Oh, hang on. I can probably strip this down a bit. |
| 13:00.06 | Barnes | abrotman but its pretty easy to register |
| 13:00.09 | *** join/#debian bokey (n=bokey@203.192.95.61) |
| 13:00.14 | Kim^J | And this isn't even the real Debian channel. |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | easy for you .. not for everyone |
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| 13:00.28 | abrotman | we have people that can't figure out how to install an IRC client in debian .. let alone register |
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| 13:00.45 | Kim^J | OMG. It's so darn easy. |
| 13:00.51 | asg | abrotman: we have people that drool as well |
| 13:00.56 | abrotman | Kim^J: that's not the point either .. if you don't like it here .. don't stay |
| 13:00.59 | bokey | hi people |
| 13:00.59 | Kim^J | Well... I guess ppl aren't as nerdy as I. |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | !ppl |
| 13:01.05 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 13:01.17 | Kim^J | abrotman: I'm here to help anyone who wants the help. |
| 13:01.24 | abrotman | then stop whining and help |
| 13:01.30 | bokey | abrotman* Hello =) |
| 13:01.32 | cahoot | actually the comments on spambots are taking up more time than the bots themselves |
| 13:01.43 | tralala | !qotd117 |
| 13:01.43 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 13:01.47 | abrotman | bokey: hi |
| 13:02.01 | abrotman | cahoot: oh .. like that matters :) |
| 13:02.06 | bokey | tralala* I apologise about my behaviour yesterday =) |
| 13:02.18 | Gumboot | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4431 |
| 13:02.20 | cahoot | abrotman: hmm just me being grumpy |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | bokey: are you less "newb" now? :) |
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| 13:02.34 | tralala | bokey, me too. I should be more patient. |
| 13:02.34 | abrotman | cahoot: you're canadian .. it happens :) |
| 13:02.42 | bokey | abrotman* It's just that courtesy you know. =) |
| 13:02.49 | abrotman | okay |
| 13:03.07 | tralala | bokey, why are you using weird characters for nick completion? |
| 13:03.09 | bokey | tralala* =) |
| 13:03.18 | abrotman | * is weird |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | Gumboot: it must be to satisfy something you'd tried to install earlier |
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| 13:03.42 | bokey | tralala, well, I don't know.. is that any better ? |
| 13:03.53 | tralala | by far, thanks |
| 13:03.54 | Gumboot | abrotman: Would that be one of the items listed, then? |
| 13:04.00 | abrotman | Gumboot: probably |
| 13:04.01 | Gumboot | I don't recall there being any installation failures. |
| 13:04.24 | Gumboot | So I should be able to apt-get remove --purge that list? |
| 13:04.28 | bokey | tralala, =) |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | don't see why not |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | Gumboot: let's put it this way .. the packages being installed ... anything you don't want ? |
| 13:05.28 | bokey | abrotman, i got this shoreline setup. didn't take me more than 1 hr.. pretty nice.. but i don't know it's effectiveness which is btw, uses Netfilter/iptable module. =) |
| 13:05.32 | Gumboot | I want none of those packages. |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | shorewall ? |
| 13:05.48 | bokey | abrotman, yeah |
| 13:05.59 | abrotman | lots of people use iptables |
| 13:05.59 | bokey | abrotman, it was called shorewall, changed it to shoreline now. |
| 13:06.10 | Gumboot | apt-get remove --purge <thatlist> says that none of them are installed. |
| 13:06.28 | Gumboot | How can I see what else might be half-in-half-out? |
| 13:06.36 | Gumboot | This is right after an apt-get upgrade, by the way. |
| 13:06.37 | bokey | abrotman, yeah but I find the ruleset quiete too much (i.e, of iptables) |
| 13:06.54 | abrotman | Gumboot: when if you remove that lib with aptitude instead ? |
| 13:07.06 | abrotman | bokey: is this for a workstation ? |
| 13:07.12 | bokey | abrotman, yeah |
| 13:07.29 | bokey | abrotman, nothing comes from internet, only outbounds. |
| 13:07.33 | abrotman | you need a firewall for a workstatoin ? |
| 13:07.49 | bokey | abrotman, well, i don't know.. maybe overparanoid or sth |
| 13:07.59 | snider | when i finish of install debian, how can i install Konversation? |
| 13:08.05 | snider | to can talk again with u? |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | bokey: i'll say :) |
| 13:08.37 | Gumboot | abrotman: It turns out I don't actually want to remove it anyway, because it would take down a whole bunch of other things. I get the same stupid list trying to upgrade vice, though. |
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| 13:08.54 | abrotman | snider: apt-get install x-window-system kde konversation kdm |
| 13:09.11 | bokey | well if anyone uses nmap here could you please scan me ? or is there a channel lurking somewhere to do that ? |
| 13:09.16 | Gumboot | I can barely use aptitude. It's far too slow to navigate in. |
| 13:09.24 | Gumboot | Why is that? |
| 13:09.26 | abrotman | you don't have to use the GUI |
| 13:09.42 | abrotman | bokey: don't you have a firewall in front of the box ? |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | Gumboot: it keeps trying to remove that package now ? |
| 13:10.06 | Gumboot | Even so, it's just a curses gui. How can it be so bad? |
| 13:10.15 | bokey | abrotman, my router doesn't have one so I am using iptables in this machine. |
| 13:10.18 | Gumboot | No, it keeps trying to add the gnome crap. |
| 13:10.35 | bokey | abrotman, probably time to change the firmwire in my router =) |
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| 13:10.44 | abrotman | your router has no firewall ? |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | is it a little linksys/netgear thing ? |
| 13:11.02 | bokey | abrotman, it's a cheap one dlink |
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| 13:11.15 | abrotman | bokey: and has no firewall ? |
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| 13:11.32 | tralala | bokey, does your router do SNAT for your workstation? |
| 13:11.34 | bokey | abrotman, the firewall crashes all the time |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | bokey: so you turned it off ? |
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| 13:12.13 | bokey | abrotman, no. my firewall just blocks inbounds. =) |
| 13:12.15 | abrotman | Gumboot: dpkg -l gnome-keyring | tail -1 |
| 13:12.26 | abrotman | bokey: okay .. this is not what you want ? |
| 13:12.39 | mahognyy | Hi, I just wonder, what is the difference in the code between a program specifically packaged for debian, and the same program in source code that you build yourself? |
| 13:12.43 | Gumboot | Another interesting problem is that currently xmms has no fonts. Everything's blank, and very narrow. |
| 13:12.51 | Gumboot | I'm hoping that'll go away once I've gone forward far enough. |
| 13:13.01 | abrotman | mahognyy: /msg dpkg mg |
| 13:13.04 | Gumboot | There's no gnome-keyring. |
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| 13:13.13 | abrotman | Gumboot: it returns nothing ? |
| 13:13.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=665129&rl=1 |
| 13:13.42 | bokey | abrotman, mistake, firewall runs on my router =) |
| 13:13.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: you didn't write it |
| 13:13.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: of course not |
| 13:14.05 | itchi | If we use gvim remotely, X is forwarded. We can not open an new file? Take with another editor also, when i want to open i file, looks like he hang |
| 13:14.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i never said, i did :) |
| 13:14.09 | *** part/#debian whadar (n=hadar@bzq-88-155-183-78.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 13:14.10 | mahognyy | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:14.19 | abrotman | then i'm not reading it |
| 13:14.42 | bokey | abrotman, it's all good... you seem very busy.. I'll let you =) |
| 13:14.54 | Gumboot | abrotman: Well, it returns the 'not found' error message. |
| 13:15.01 | Kerr | is there a quick way to update to the latest alsa? skype doesn't seem to like 1.0.8.7 or whatever it is i have here |
| 13:15.32 | abrotman | bokey: you're fine .. if your router has a firewall you don't *need* one .. but it might not be bad practice . and yes .. most people use iptables |
| 13:15.37 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 13:15.37 | dpkg | iptables is probably the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | Gumboot: dpkg -l gnome-keyring does ? |
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| 13:16.26 | bokey | abrotman, yeah =) |
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| 13:17.02 | Gumboot | abrotman: That command results in "No packages found matching gnome-keyring." |
| 13:17.38 | hoopotus | Hi. After apt-get upgrade X fails to start. It keeps trying to starting but crashes everytime and tries again. What to do? |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | Gumboot: dpkg --get-selections | grep keyring .. anything ? |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | hoopotus: look in the X log |
| 13:18.07 | itchi | Not that i want especially use gvim, but with all the other apps it's the same trouble remotely. Or is that normal? |
| 13:18.32 | Gumboot | abrotman: debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring |
| 13:18.33 | hoopotus | abrotman shouldn't I reconfigure X? what's the right command? |
| 13:18.41 | Gumboot | (both "install") |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | Gumboot: and what's the "status" ? |
| 13:18.45 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 13:18.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 13:19.19 | abrotman | Gumboot: echo gnome-keyring uninstall | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:19.19 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 13:19.19 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 13:19.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're winning ? |
| 13:19.36 | tralala | tarzeau, did you mean !popcorn? ;) |
| 13:19.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: doing what? |
| 13:19.50 | tarzeau | tralala: no, i did that already today |
| 13:19.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're on top |
| 13:19.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: winning debstats ? |
| 13:19.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not normal |
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| 13:20.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not good for your health |
| 13:20.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: i never want to hear "you're on top" directed at me again .. thanks |
| 13:20.19 | abrotman | not from you anyways |
| 13:20.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're number 1 in debstats |
| 13:20.47 | tralala | tarzeau, abrotman loves you not! |
| 13:20.54 | Gumboot | abrotman: dpkg: unknown wanted status at line 1: uninstall |
| 13:20.57 | tarzeau | tralala: i'm very glad about that |
| 13:21.03 | tralala | hehe |
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| 13:21.29 | abrotman | Gumboot: eh .. maybe it's 'deinstall' |
| 13:21.29 | hoopotus | how do I reconfigure X (in recovery mode)? |
| 13:21.35 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 13:21.35 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 13:21.54 | tralala | hoopotus, the same way as in normal mode |
| 13:22.00 | hoopotus | yes... |
| 13:22.13 | Gumboot | This problem may relate to vice wanting to be upgraded. I don't see any specific dependency for all that gnome stuff in it, but I can upgrade other packages without being asked to install those files. |
| 13:22.30 | Gumboot | It's still well beyond me why it wants to install things when I want to remove things, thugh. |
| 13:22.33 | abrotman | vice ? |
| 13:22.54 | zinx | Gumboot: maybe you had them marked for install before you started removing stuff |
| 13:23.14 | abrotman | asg: you'll be crockett ? .. will sussudio be the gator ? |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | zinx: he said he didn't |
| 13:23.28 | zinx | Gumboot: Also, some packages provide a virtual package, maybe it's installing a different one to keep from removing other packages |
| 13:23.31 | Gumboot | Well, vice got marked 'held back', so even if it did depend on those, they should never have been marked for installation. |
| 13:23.36 | bokey | abrotman, geez, #debian @ undernet is dead as hell. |
| 13:23.42 | asg | abrotman: hehe, quite possibly |
| 13:23.48 | abrotman | bokey: never been there |
| 13:23.50 | SerajewelKS | Gumboot: maybe something on your system depends on foo | bar -- you're removing foo so the system installs bar |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it would remove the rdepends |
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| 13:24.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: even when another package would satisfy the dependency? |
| 13:24.40 | bokey | what's up with efnet ? saying I m banned =( |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | apt-get is stupid :) |
| 13:24.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i thought it only removed rdepends when there was no alternative |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: try it .. let me know :) |
| 13:25.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: okay... |
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| 13:25.41 | Gumboot | 'apt-get remove vice' has made the problem go away. |
| 13:25.45 | Gumboot | I don't understand that, though. |
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| 13:26.59 | tralala | maybe vice depends on whatyouwantedtoremove|somethingelse so somethingelse had to be installed in order for vice to stay |
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| 13:27.21 | abrotman | !depends vice |
| 13:27.24 | dpkg | vice: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libasound2 (>> 1.0.12), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.13.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.6.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.14.1), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.13.0), ... |
| 13:27.32 | Kerr | i'm currently running debian stable. with backports in my sources list, to install a newer alsa do i just do sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install alsa-base |
| 13:27.33 | Kerr | ? |
| 13:27.35 | Gumboot | tralala: What should happen then is that it asks to remove vice. |
| 13:27.48 | abrotman | Gumboot: and it will |
| 13:27.49 | Gumboot | abrotman: Yeah, just found it. I seem to have two install candidates, and I read the dependencies for the wrong one. |
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| 13:28.09 | Gumboot | Well, while removing other things, it never asked to remove vice, and so it shouldn't be trying to push other things in to support it. |
| 13:28.15 | Kerr | !backports |
| 13:28.16 | dpkg | well, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 13:28.24 | Gumboot | I guess I have to drop vice, now. |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | Kerr: read the instructions there |
| 13:28.34 | tralala | Gumboot, didn't you say it was on hold? |
| 13:28.54 | Gumboot | tralala: It was held back, as in not installed during the apt-get upgrade process. |
| 13:28.56 | abrotman | if you remove something vice depends on . it should remove vice too |
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| 13:29.24 | itchi | Someone know how i need to install ipw3945 the Debian Way? I have followed the ipw instructions but i get the following error http://pastebin.ca/245770 |
| 13:29.41 | Kerr | abrotman: I did, but pinning seemed useless as alsa is gonna have dependancies i'd have to pin too. sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install alsa-base seemed to fit the bill, but i wasn't sure so asked in here. |
| 13:30.06 | Gumboot | Well, everything's up to date, now, and it doesn't look like I've installed anything that might fix xmms. So now I'm on to a more interesing problem. xmms has no fonts. |
| 13:30.14 | Gumboot | I've already removed .gtkrc, and it hasn't helped. |
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| 13:30.51 | Gumboot | That and I'm in the market for a new C64 emulator. |
| 13:31.03 | Kerr | Gumboot: xmms has no fonts when i vnc in to my box, but if i minimise the playlist it does O.o that might be a half-fix. |
| 13:31.08 | abrotman | install vice :) |
| 13:32.04 | Gumboot | Nope, minimising the playlist doesn't help. |
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| 13:32.15 | abrotman | asg: do you have a pink sports coat ? |
| 13:32.35 | abrotman | Gumboot: run it from a terminal .. any errors ? |
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| 13:32.46 | xFallenAngel | hey. I have both gcc-4.1 and gcc-3.3 installed. I want to build a kernel, which will not work with gcc-4.1. How do I select gcc-3.3 for this? |
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| 13:33.13 | xFallenAngel | change /usr/bin/gcc symlink? or is there something equivalent to eselect? |
| 13:33.13 | Gumboot | Nope, no errors. |
| 13:33.23 | RobinhoPeixoto | hi. |
| 13:33.26 | Gumboot | And I'm not sure where to click to get the font selector up. |
| 13:33.32 | Gumboot | Because it's unlabelled. |
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| 13:34.08 | Gumboot | Oh, found it. |
| 13:34.12 | RobinhoPeixoto | The Debian going stop to pack the Firefox ? |
| 13:34.12 | abrotman | Gumboot: hit the first submenu .. top opton |
| 13:34.18 | Gumboot | OK, it can show me sample fonts if I click around, but that doesn't seem to help. |
| 13:34.38 | Gumboot | Oops. |
| 13:34.42 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 13:34.42 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 13:35.39 | asg | abrotman: I could get one at Goodwill |
| 13:35.39 | Gumboot | OK, I just set some kind of arabic script in my playlist, and I can see it. I just have no idea what it says. |
| 13:35.40 | Gumboot | But the preferences dialogue is still blank. |
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| 13:35.40 | abrotman | asg: can you get me a minty green one? :) |
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| 13:36.56 | abrotman | hey .. can we fix the BTS so that when someone reassigns a bug .. there's a link in the package bug page that was attached to the bug ? |
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| 13:37.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: the bts should be broken so no new bugs can be filed |
| 13:38.10 | Gumboot | I think that the majority of my fonts must have gone missing, or something, and none of the options that GTK+ is configured to use are accessible. |
| 13:38.13 | Gumboot | I wonder where they went, though. |
| 13:38.15 | hoopotus | Hi guys. Where is situated the X log file? I'd like to see what's wrong on starting X |
| 13:38.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: bullshit .. file more |
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| 13:38.39 | Gumboot | Is there something I might need to rebuild to bring them all back? |
| 13:38.43 | abrotman | Gumboot: you could install all the fonts packages you can find :) |
| 13:38.59 | RobinhoPeixoto | dpkg: but will stop to pack ? |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 13:39.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:39.29 | RobinhoPeixoto | dpkg: sorry my bad english |
| 13:39.42 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:39.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:39.48 | tralala | dpkg, say RobinhoPeixoto I'm a bot! |
| 13:39.49 | dpkg | RobinhoPeixoto I'm a bot! |
| 13:39.56 | Feax- | !blootbot |
| 13:39.56 | dpkg | blootbot is probably a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 13:40.19 | Gumboot | abrotman: I already have done. |
| 13:40.32 | abrotman | Gumboot: no change ? |
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| 13:40.58 | abrotman | Gumboot: it's not a bug on xmms .. must be on a dep |
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| 13:41.26 | tralala | RobinhoPeixoto, debian will continue to ship firefox in the same way it does now but under a different name and with a different look. |
| 13:41.44 | abrotman | hot girls? |
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| 13:42.02 | tralala | burned foxes :) |
| 13:42.12 | hoopotus | What could I do when X won't start after apt-get upgrade? I've reconfigured it. X's log file doesn't give me any advice |
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| 13:42.24 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365678 FOUND IT! |
| 13:43.03 | tralala | hoopotus, you could install stable |
| 13:43.06 | zinx | tralala: think someone will do a DFSG-compatible iceweasel icon? |
| 13:43.22 | hoopotus | tralala: yes, I think the same. could you tell me how to do it? |
| 13:43.36 | tralala | zinx, don't know, don't care |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | Gumboot: try 'LC_CTYPE=POSIX xmms' in a terminal |
| 13:44.04 | Gumboot | Aha! |
| 13:44.07 | tarzeau | Gumboot: tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 13:44.18 | tralala | hoopotus, /msg dpkg ig |
| 13:44.18 | Gumboot | (actually, I tried that with gtkfontsel, because it looks like all gtk apps are broken) |
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| 13:44.31 | Gumboot | tarzeau: No, not yet. |
| 13:44.58 | abrotman | don't bother .. it's useless ..try what i said! :) |
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| 13:45.09 | beardy | I have, for dos. |
| 13:45.45 | tarzeau | streuner: seen das leben der anderen? |
| 13:46.02 | tarzeau | !mplayer |
| 13:46.02 | dpkg | [mplayer] in Debian (sid). But maybe you want to use vlc or xine instead? Feel free to also see <marillat>, <mplayer faq>, <w32codecs>. Or look at "http://www.debian-multimedia.org/". |
| 13:46.02 | Gumboot | OK, so my current LC_CTYPE is "en_GB.UTF-8", so how would I make GTK apps function correctly with that? |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | Gumboot: if you run it like that. . does it work ? |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | Gumboot: try 'LC_CTYPE=POSIX xmms' in a terminal |
| 13:46.10 | tarzeau | dpkg forget mplayer |
| 13:46.10 | dpkg | i forgot mplayer, tarzeau |
| 13:46.33 | tarzeau | dpkg mplayer is, yeah it's in debian (it's not as good as the upstream one, but it conforms to dfsg now) http://packages.debian.org/mplayer |
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| 13:46.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't freaking do that |
| 13:46.43 | tarzeau | dpkg mplayer is yeah it's in debian (it's not as good as the upstream one, but it conforms to dfsg now) http://packages.debian.org/mplayer |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 13:46.57 | Gumboot | abrotman: Yep. |
| 13:47.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: nobody wants packages that are in main from other places, unless they know what they do (then they don't ask about !mplayer) |
| 13:47.18 | cahoot | tarzeau: what does it lack? |
| 13:47.25 | beardy | Yes they fucking do.. |
| 13:47.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: packages from foreign repositories always have breaked systems |
| 13:47.30 | beardy | What cahoot said. |
| 13:47.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't be a fucking ass |
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| 13:47.35 | tarzeau | cahoot: mencoder |
| 13:47.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | you are |
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| 13:47.42 | Gumboot | Or at least, it works a little bit. |
| 13:47.44 | beardy | tarzeau: You are. |
| 13:47.45 | Gumboot | The menus work. |
| 13:47.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: fine, do i care? |
| 13:47.48 | abrotman | Gumboot: does the font show :) |
| 13:47.52 | tarzeau | beardy: why? |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: then don't change it |
| 13:47.58 | beardy | tarzeau: If you don't care, leave it the fucking be. |
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| 13:48.05 | tarzeau | beardy: it's wrong |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 13:48.11 | Gumboot | Man... that's deeply broken. |
| 13:48.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: people should use the debian mplayer package |
| 13:48.19 | Gumboot | I can see a font, but it's ugly. |
| 13:48.26 | abrotman | it's only in sid! |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | Gumboot: i figured it would be |
| 13:48.32 | beardy | tarzeau: People should not mix repositories. |
| 13:48.32 | Gumboot | Actually, I could probably get over that. |
| 13:48.35 | hoopotus | tralala: I don't find there how to update unstable to stable. or is that possible at all? |
| 13:48.40 | beardy | tarzeau: Do you think anyone listens to that? |
| 13:48.51 | beardy | tarzeau: People should not run sid and whine. |
| 13:48.53 | tralala | hoopotus, it isn't. You have to install from scratch. |
| 13:48.53 | abrotman | Gumboot: the bugs mention that it's UTF8 related |
| 13:49.06 | tarzeau | beardy: crap |
| 13:49.14 | esters | will there be a Debian Firefox 2 package or it will move to another mozilla based browser ? |
| 13:49.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: should be in testing in 2 days (if the rc bugs get fixed) |
| 13:49.30 | abrotman | esters: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: good .. then it will be in testing .. yay.. leave the damn factoid alone :) |
| 13:49.50 | esters | so i guess debian will move to iceweasel |
| 13:49.51 | hoopotus | tralala: then how can stable be upgraded? I first had stable but when I tried to upgrade it in order to get some things work, it changed to unstable |
| 13:49.52 | tarzeau | #395252 |
| 13:50.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: go ahead to fix it, i won't |
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| 13:50.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i feel it's better how it is now |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | i already did |
| 13:50.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: at least add to it, that the package is in debian now |
| 13:50.31 | abrotman | IT WAS ALEADY THERE! |
| 13:50.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: so people don't whine about mplayer not being in debian |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | open your eyes |
| 13:50.52 | tralala | hoopotus, stable is upgraded when the new stable is released. You can use some backports if you have to, but keep it limited. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:51.07 | zinx | people don't just want mplayer, they want all the non-free codecs too so they can actually play videos |
| 13:51.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok i saw it now |
| 13:51.17 | tarzeau | zinx: they also want mencoder |
| 13:51.23 | zinx | probably! |
| 13:51.31 | Gumboot | Man... all I wanted to do was to make sure that I could restart X so that when I rebooted my server to check a hard drive, I knew I could get this machine back on its feet without any confusion. |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | i don't :) |
| 13:51.35 | beardy | They also want to play dvd:s. |
| 13:51.44 | Gumboot | I don't know if I have the stamina to go and do that, now. |
| 13:51.45 | tarzeau | beardy: i don't |
| 13:52.07 | beardy | tarzeau: Not everyone is like you. |
| 13:52.07 | zinx | gcd(everyone) == what people want |
| 13:52.11 | tralala | I want mencoder! |
| 13:52.16 | tarzeau | beardy: tell abrotman |
| 13:52.29 | tarzeau | beardy: i never said everyone is like me |
| 13:52.31 | abrotman | tell me what? i don't want mplayer or mencoder |
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| 13:52.48 | beardy | abrotman: Probably. Not everyone is like you, either. Happy now? |
| 13:52.52 | abrotman | lastfm is all anyone should ever need! |
| 13:52.55 | zinx | abrotman: but you want aiglx so you can have 100 window bounces per minute right?! |
| 13:53.04 | abrotman | zinx: boobies? |
| 13:53.08 | beardy | abrotman: That isn't free, is it. |
| 13:53.15 | zinx | abrotman: hey, *i'd* install it if it had that |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | beardy: the player? or the service? |
| 13:53.23 | abrotman | zinx: hehe |
| 13:53.28 | beardy | abrotman: Both. |
| 13:53.35 | beardy | abrotman: Free with capital F. |
| 13:53.36 | abrotman | beardy: they both are |
| 13:53.45 | abrotman | service is free .. player is OSS |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | !info lastfm etch |
| 13:54.01 | dpkg | lastfm: (an audio player for last.fm personalized radio), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.1.90-4 (etch), Packaged size: 473 kB, Installed size: 1060 kB |
| 13:54.33 | beardy | abrotman: And it doesn't have a copyright problem or some other fucking crap? |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | beardy: you have to make an account |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | beardy: why? it's streaming music |
| 13:54.44 | beardy | abrotman: With the music and so on? |
| 13:55.00 | abrotman | you'd have to use vsound to record a song you don't know is coming ? |
| 13:55.43 | beardy | abrotman: Plain old radio needs to pay royalty and such.. I don't know, only asking. |
| 13:56.04 | abrotman | beardy: okay .. i didn't pay anything for it .. are you happy now? :) |
| 13:56.10 | abrotman | beardy: noone has stopped them yet |
| 13:56.11 | beardy | abrotman: And, everything good always get copyright/patent/legal problems. |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | beardy: use it while you can! |
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| 13:57.15 | Gumboot | How is it that that bug was reported in May, but it's only recently turned sour on me? I'm bleeding edge just like all the cool kids, what's wrong with me? |
| 13:57.31 | abrotman | Gumboot: etch isn't bleeding edge |
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| 13:57.52 | beardy | Gumboot: You might have sns syndrome. |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | beardy: see .. i get to listen to blind lemon jefferson! |
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| 13:58.13 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 13:58.22 | Gumboot | abrotman: but 'unstable' is bleeding edge, right? |
| 13:58.32 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:58.33 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:58.36 | abrotman | more so than testing/etch |
| 13:58.37 | tarzeau | Gumboot: there's also experimental |
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| 13:58.56 | tarzeau | i'd call testing/etch, dried blood |
| 13:59.00 | abrotman | Gumboot: which packages have you changed in the last few days .. use your dpkg.log to find out |
| 13:59.06 | Javaman | hello anapivirtua :D |
| 13:59.07 | mynullvoid | how can I remove Shorewall logs in syslog? |
| 13:59.08 | beardy | Good good, have him kill his system. |
| 13:59.18 | anapivirtua | Javaman, ho my god : ) |
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| 14:00.01 | Gumboot | abrotman: Pretty much everything. What I don't understand, though, is why it is that on the unstable branch, I would see a bug much later than somebody on a more stable branch. |
| 14:00.03 | Wolfpaws | 'lo... Is there a way to switch from 32-bit to 64-bit distro via APT? |
| 14:00.05 | Javaman | anapivirtua: u'r lamer, i must to translate what you said in order to be comprehensive ^^ |
| 14:00.08 | Gumboot | Given that I've upgraded several times since May. |
| 14:00.12 | tralala | mynullvoid, you can configure what shorewall logs and what it doesn't |
| 14:00.32 | beardy | !u |
| 14:00.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:00.33 | beardy | !r |
| 14:00.33 | dpkg | from memory, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 14:00.34 | beardy | !ur |
| 14:00.35 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 14:00.47 | anapivirtua | Javaman, if i'm a lamer you are a noob. :] |
| 14:01.01 | beardy | !noob |
| 14:01.01 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 14:01.02 | abrotman | can you just get a room ? |
| 14:01.12 | mynullvoid | tralala: at the moment I already have syslog-ng to have separate log for shorewall, but the same log still exist in syslog, how can I remove it? |
| 14:01.16 | beardy | !room |
| 14:01.16 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:01.36 | Wolfpaws | fun stuff :o |
| 14:02.01 | anapivirtua | for sure... :) |
| 14:02.08 | Javaman | dpkg: i'm not english or american, i'm french and i'm a pretty bad english language user, so i don't care :) |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | Javaman: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:02.21 | tralala | mynullvoid, I don't know then |
| 14:02.23 | Javaman | >> |
| 14:02.23 | Javaman | << |
| 14:02.30 | abrotman | and stop with that crap |
| 14:02.34 | anapivirtua | Javaman, so leave this channel en join #debian-fr ? :) |
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| 14:02.50 | Gumboot | Anyway... I have to stop this eating my life. Thank for the help.. |
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| 14:03.19 | Wolfpaws | Javaman: in other channels language abuse is a good way of getting yourself muted or banned. |
| 14:03.30 | bokey | Javaman# dpkg is a bot |
| 14:03.32 | bokey | !bot |
| 14:03.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 14:04.05 | anapivirtua | :) |
| 14:04.13 | Javaman | Wolfpaws: isn't language abuse, a language abuse is for sure like badwords no ? |
| 14:04.38 | Wolfpaws | no |
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| 14:05.07 | Wolfpaws | !aolbonics |
| 14:05.18 | bokey | Javaman# if you speak french join #debian-fr |
| 14:05.20 | Wolfpaws | interesting... It doesn't have that. |
| 14:05.22 | beardy | There are no "bad words" only abuse of language, and it's far worse, especially if you have no intention to better yourself when told. |
| 14:05.34 | Javaman | bokey: I speak english too ;) |
| 14:05.44 | Wolfpaws | what beardy said |
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| 14:05.57 | bokey | Javaman# but if you slip your tongue, a rock will befall you =) |
| 14:06.01 | tralala | Javaman, perhaps you should consider speaking it someplace else |
| 14:06.19 | bokey | Javaman# don't complain then. =) |
| 14:06.39 | xingu | abrotman: I know gumboot's gone but #365678 and what he was describing both sound pretty similar to what happened to me once when somehow the gtk1.2 theme engine stuff got dist-upgrade dist-blasted-into-orbit |
| 14:06.40 | abrotman | bokey: most people use : or , |
| 14:06.45 | Javaman | oh my god, if you can't see me anymore, kick and ban me ;) |
| 14:06.48 | Wolfpaws | mya... So you can't "upgrade" to 64-bit distro via APT, right? |
| 14:06.57 | bokey | Javaman# but I as a channel user welcome you =) |
| 14:07.02 | beardy | Wolfpaws: No. |
| 14:07.03 | bokey | :-) |
| 14:07.06 | tarzeau | Wolfpaws: not with apt, but there's other ways |
| 14:07.08 | abrotman | xingu: seems like somehow the gtk1 stuff can't handle utf8 |
| 14:07.12 | xingu | abrotman: gtk gets pretty unhappy without gtk2-engines and the gtk-config or whatever engine available |
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| 14:07.25 | Javaman | bokey: thanks but isn't sarcastic perhaps ? |
| 14:07.26 | xingu | abrotman: mine is fine here/now with unstable; just tested that |
| 14:07.27 | Wolfpaws | tarzeau: I'l amreadt downloading the CD |
| 14:07.29 | tapas | hi is there a tutorial available on how to connect to a samba server on debian? |
| 14:07.31 | abrotman | Wolfpaws: you can use debootstrap |
| 14:07.41 | xingu | abrotman: I run en_GB.UTF-8 just like the bug reporter |
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| 14:07.43 | abrotman | xingu: he must be missing a package i guess |
| 14:07.44 | tarzeau | tapas: certainly |
| 14:07.46 | bokey | abrotman# yeah *most* people is a *category* I don't like to fall into . hehe.. =) |
| 14:07.48 | xingu | abrotman: yeah I figure |
| 14:07.52 | tapas | tarzeau: ah thanks for the info |
| 14:08.02 | abrotman | xingu: so do i .. oh well :) |
| 14:08.08 | abrotman | erm .. but not GB |
| 14:08.12 | bokey | Javaman# no surcasm involved. =) |
| 14:08.24 | xingu | abrotman: _GB is a EUR locale these days I think too |
| 14:08.29 | Wolfpaws | abrotman: Prefer CD's... Thanks for suggestion, tho |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | xingu: i meant i use en_US.UTF8 |
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| 14:08.45 | abrotman | Wolfpaws: erm .. okay |
| 14:08.56 | xingu | abrotman: *nod*; so I think anyway is maybe a missing gtk theme engine but it's a wild guess |
| 14:09.08 | tapas | i always get "timeout on service" when trying to access a samba share via konqueror |
| 14:09.14 | abrotman | xingu: hunt him down and tell him :) |
| 14:09.25 | tapas | actualyl when trying to browse a workgroup already |
| 14:09.29 | xingu | abrotman: <laugh> |
| 14:10.05 | Wolfpaws | tapas: Is your network good? |
| 14:10.24 | tapas | Wolfpaws: yah |
| 14:10.46 | tapas | Wolfpaws: we all access the net via a router and i see the workgroups in the kde browse shared folder thing |
| 14:10.52 | tapas | might be firewalls though |
| 14:10.53 | tapas | :) |
| 14:10.55 | tapas | checking |
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| 14:11.54 | h3sp4wn | Does anyone know a way of using user-mode-linux - but with a directory (on the host) instead of a file (maybe a way of making a directory appear as some type of block device ?) |
| 14:14.02 | tapas | hmm, no firewalls |
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| 14:15.18 | xingu | h3sp4wn: nfs? seems to be what it was invented for |
| 14:15.31 | Shadowcat | eww nfs sucks |
| 14:16.28 | tralala | nfs is fine |
| 14:16.39 | Shadowcat | nope |
| 14:16.53 | Shadowcat | implicit trusts between systems, no password verification |
| 14:17.05 | zinx | plaintext file transfer, there's no problem with that! |
| 14:18.07 | tralala | it might not be perfect but it's an esablished standard and has quite a few applications |
| 14:18.34 | Shadowcat | tralala: seriously, I'd rather use SFTP than use nfs |
| 14:18.34 | xingu | there's certainly no user context for a given filehandle, but I'm not sure even that old saw is still the case with webnfs |
| 14:18.59 | Shadowcat | I mean samba is a lot more modern in that sense |
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| 14:19.12 | xingu | CIFS is, samba is an implementation |
| 14:19.25 | Shadowcat | exactly |
| 14:19.26 | xingu | SMB with share level security is functionally equivalent |
| 14:19.37 | mynullvoid | what is tty12? |
| 14:19.44 | Shadowcat | virtual terminal 12 |
| 14:19.55 | Shadowcat | correct me if I'm wrong |
| 14:20.27 | xingu | s/virtual/physical/ |
| 14:20.27 | xingu | there you go |
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| 14:21.19 | tralala | it's virtual unless you have 12 _real_ terminals attached |
| 14:22.11 | tralala | might be called virtual console actually |
| 14:22.23 | xingu | ... only incorrectly so. :) |
| 14:22.41 | xingu | the difference has more to do with whether or not it supports the full gamut of termios |
| 14:22.46 | xingu | those that don't, tend to pty's |
| 14:22.50 | mynullvoid | so how can I see the virtual terminal 12? |
| 14:22.53 | beardy | virtual terminal or virtual console, virtual terminal is "best" IMO. |
| 14:23.03 | beardy | mynullvoid: Have something output to it. |
| 14:23.07 | nvz | mynullvoid: chvt12 alt+left arrow till you reach there |
| 14:23.13 | beardy | mynullvoid: Why do you have to, if you aren't using it already? |
| 14:23.42 | mynullvoid | beardy: I found a sample config, so I am figuring out |
| 14:23.47 | beardy | mynullvoid: Either way, (Ctrl-)Alt-F12 or 'man chvt' |
| 14:23.52 | xingu | if you just want to see it, and if we make the assumption that your tty12 is vt12, you could use setterm -dump |
| 14:23.55 | xingu | but hey. :) |
| 14:24.28 | h3sp4wn | xingu: I don't think nfs was invented to be run on 127.0.0.1 - But If there is no other way I could do that thanks for the idea |
| 14:24.36 | mynullvoid | so by Alt F12 I could see it? |
| 14:24.48 | beardy | mynullvoid: If it has been used, yes. |
| 14:25.04 | beardy | mynullvoid: It "doesn't exist" until it has been used. |
| 14:25.06 | mynullvoid | beardy: how to tell? |
| 14:25.24 | xingu | is a parent's lo interface in the same namespace as a uml instance's ? |
| 14:25.27 | xingu | that seems broke |
| 14:25.30 | mynullvoid | beardy: my syslog-ng will output it to tty12 |
| 14:25.32 | beardy | mynullvoid: Be on tty1 for example, try to switch to 12, if no switch, it's not used. |
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| 14:25.42 | itchi | To make use of sshfs, need i to build the fuse module with module-assistant? |
| 14:26.03 | beardy | mynullvoid: Then you will be able to switch to it. I usually configure my syslog.conf to output *.* to tty12. |
| 14:26.24 | mynullvoid | ok thanks |
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| 14:26.56 | beardy | mynullvoid: You can just 'echo foo > /dev/tty12' if you want it "activated". |
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| 14:28.19 | xingu | a word to the wise, don't mix syslog-ng synchronous logging configs with "physical" tty's |
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| 14:28.25 | nvz | I dont know, but I think this game is pretty sweet. I still havent worked out the details of the lisc but I suspect the game engine could meet DFSG requirements but I am not so sure about free data |
| 14:28.36 | xingu | one wrong tap of scroll-lock, instant logging karma |
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| 14:32.09 | reflect | hi.. I'm using the ideas of others and writing a small script to analyze log files.. for this, I'd like to have a few 'beta-testers' before I release it |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | bokey: okay .. no need to tell me in /msg |
| 14:33.08 | reflect | now, I'm not a reg'd user so I can't send msgs.. but if you're interested, please join #artign and I'll fill you in on how it works |
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| 14:33.44 | nvz | this game says it has a "ZLIB Lisc" would that be considered DFSG free? |
| 14:33.51 | zinx | nvz: yes |
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| 14:34.00 | zinx | nvz: if it really does, anyway. |
| 14:34.13 | nvz | I know the main data is copyrighted by various parties.. but I am sure I can work around that in due time |
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| 14:34.28 | nvz | this could make a fine edition to debian's gaming |
| 14:35.19 | Snider | ? |
| 14:35.21 | tarzeau | nvz: which game? |
| 14:35.22 | nvz | zinx: I havent downloaded it and read the lisc or compiled it yet.. I'm just trying to get all I can from the websites |
| 14:35.46 | Snider | how can i run my debian in kde mode? |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | apt-get install kde kdm |
| 14:35.57 | abrotman | erm |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 14:36.10 | itchi | Someone know how i can setup sshfs? |
| 14:36.18 | Snider | with that comand? i can run? |
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| 14:36.22 | tarzeau | itchi: yes, build the module? |
| 14:36.27 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 14:36.28 | dpkg | from memory, shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 14:36.30 | Snider | cause i made apt-get install kde-core |
| 14:36.30 | ruben | Hi, how can i kill this session? |
| 14:36.32 | ruben | root tty1 - 29Oct06 13days 0.00s 0.00s -su |
| 14:36.33 | tarzeau | itchi: it's not very stable (well, wasn't when i tried it) |
| 14:36.33 | itchi | tarzeau: With module-assistant? |
| 14:36.34 | ruben | ? |
| 14:36.36 | abrotman | fuse is now in 2.6 kernels |
| 14:36.43 | nvz | tarzeau: a user was in here trying to get his ATI card working yesturday, kept talking about "Cube2" the project was originally called Cube.. its now being forked in different directions the new Cube2 engine is part of a game cale Sauerbraten and is also in the process of being forked to an RPG project from the original FPS direction http://sauerbraten.org/ looks pretty cool |
| 14:36.59 | tarzeau | itchi: whatever way you want. yes for example, i've built them using the dphys-kernelpackages tool |
| 14:37.01 | nvz | tarzeau: I think all it needs is some free data, and to be tested on debian, and its good to go |
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| 14:37.15 | tarzeau | nvz: the #debian-games channel says, there won't be cube |
| 14:37.22 | tarzeau | nvz: but maybe someone else can package it? |
| 14:37.32 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah gotta work on free data first |
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| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | nvz: the debian new queue has many new games in it. bug ftp-master@debian.org about that first |
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| 14:37.52 | pickcoder | heh.. "fork" a game named from pickled roasted beef |
| 14:37.54 | tarzeau | before thinking to get new stuff into the new queue first |
| 14:37.55 | itchi | tarzeau: Because when he want to get the source with module-assistant, he tell me that i maybe need to add contrib or non-free to the sources.list. But still have that |
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| 14:40.34 | pickcoder | I really hate it when people make me get up at the crack of dawn and don't even show up |
| 14:40.44 | berkes | is there anyone here who knows stuff about copyrights and so? |
| 14:40.50 | dvs | pickcoder: what were you suppose to do? |
| 14:41.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: you could divorce her ... |
| 14:41.02 | pickcoder | waiting on an independant electrician |
| 14:41.11 | dvs | !lart the electrician |
| 14:41.13 | pickcoder | so the UPS feed can be moved and rewired for the IT center |
| 14:41.14 | berkes | The tux pinguin is copyrighted, so I assume, and I just came across this one |
| 14:41.18 | berkes | http://hunkemoller.nl/default.asp?catalog%5Fname=Hunkemoller&category%5Fname=Fun&product%5Fid=000084826 |
| 14:41.25 | berkes | (not safe for work) |
| 14:41.25 | tarzeau | abrotman for president? |
| 14:41.34 | pickcoder | shoulda been here 45 minutes ago |
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| 14:41.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm too young .. but i could be a senator |
| 14:41.59 | dvs | berkes: you're allowed to use Tux however you want but you must give credit to the original artist |
| 14:42.01 | tarzeau | berkes: i don't find this unsafe for work. pretty nice actually |
| 14:42.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: but that's not what you feel like being |
| 14:42.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: you'll be in europe/uk for debconf? |
| 14:42.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: of the united states ? |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | chanserv!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:42.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: what else? |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: dunno yet .. a friend is getting married in albania next summer .. and my dad is pushing me to sail to bermuda |
| 14:42.53 | berkes | tarzeau: neither do I, but I know "employers" who would fire people for such sites |
| 14:42.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i might do a revolution in turkey (not likely i can get high enough in switzerland -- but other things i could do here) |
| 14:43.12 | berkes | dvs: they don't credit the author, it seems, at least not that I can find. |
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| 14:43.28 | berkes | (very nice xmas present for your GF) |
| 14:43.40 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States#Requirements_for_holding_office |
| 14:43.55 | abrotman | i believe senator is 30 |
| 14:43.59 | dvs | abrotman: sail to Bermuda? As in the Bermuda Triangle?!? |
| 14:44.02 | pickcoder | bad electrician, no cookie |
| 14:44.15 | abrotman | dvs: as in .. the island .. wouldn't be the first time .. would actually be my third :) |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: shock therapy ? |
| 14:44.25 | pickcoder | I think this is the 4th time he's stood me up with a single call |
| 14:44.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: fool me once .. blah blah .. your fault |
| 14:44.38 | pickcoder | s/with/without |
| 14:44.43 | pickcoder | hey I don't pay the bills |
| 14:44.49 | pickcoder | I wanted to hire the local contracting company |
| 14:44.52 | pickcoder | but noooooooo |
| 14:44.53 | pickcoder | too expensive |
| 14:45.01 | Snider | not found kde kdm |
| 14:45.06 | pickcoder | so my servers sit and wait in the interim |
| 14:45.08 | abrotman | did oyu install them ? |
| 14:45.17 | pickcoder | plugged up to power strips that are daisy chained |
| 14:45.26 | dvs | pickcoder: and hope that no power spikes happen... |
| 14:45.28 | Snider | how can i run kde mode?¿ |
| 14:45.30 | pickcoder | maybe a call to the fire marshall would help |
| 14:45.32 | pickcoder | <eg> |
| 14:45.38 | Snider | can find dke-kdm |
| 14:45.41 | Snider | !kde |
| 14:45.41 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 14:45.52 | bokey | abrotman# http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=failure&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 14:46.13 | pickcoder | I'm not doing another weekend deal, though, that's for sure |
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| 14:46.21 | abrotman | Snider: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 14:46.25 | abrotman | bokey: seen it |
| 14:46.33 | bokey | abrotman# =) |
| 14:46.36 | Snider | not run |
| 14:46.49 | Angel-SL | zzz |
| 14:46.51 | Feax- | how can i listen to noatun and skype at the same time with ALSA ? |
| 14:47.03 | bokey | Angel-SL# hi |
| 14:47.05 | abrotman | Snider: paste error |
| 14:47.08 | bariel | is it possible to show the system of my box, like cpu, ram, etc. with a command? uname -a dont show me those stuffs |
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| 14:47.09 | Angel-SL | hi |
| 14:47.25 | abrotman | bariel: cat /proc/meminfo && cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:47.26 | bokey | where's the devil ? |
| 14:47.30 | tralala | Feax-, /msg dpkg dmix |
| 14:47.31 | itchi | Feax-: See audio software mixing, /msg dpkg dmix |
| 14:47.31 | Firestarter | is there an alternative to vmware for linux |
| 14:47.42 | Angel-SL | zzzzzzz. chanserv lost in netsplit. now I LOST MY #freenode-social AUTOVOICE, |
| 14:47.43 | abrotman | qemu or xen |
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| 14:47.49 | bariel | abrotman, ah so i need to see in that file, there isnt any command which do that for me? |
| 14:48.02 | abrotman | Angel-SL: so what ? |
| 14:48.12 | Angel-SL | so i'm killing the storm' |
| 14:48.16 | abrotman | bariel: redirect it to a file |
| 14:48.22 | itchi | abrotman: Have you some experiences with xen? |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | itchi: not yet .. ask me next week :) |
| 14:48.49 | Snider | so...for what is apt-get install kde-core |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:48.56 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:49.11 | Snider | with apt-get install kde kdm x-windows-system can i run kde mode? |
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| 14:49.15 | itchi | abrotman: I make use of qemu, had give xen an 'read docs' try, some time ago, but have not setup it; I not find it clear how to |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | Snider: yes |
| 14:49.27 | abrotman | Snider: and it's x-window-system .. not windows |
| 14:49.29 | Snider | so, then of that, just restart my pc? |
| 14:49.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:49.35 | Snider | ok |
| 14:49.39 | Snider | then of install |
| 14:49.45 | petemc | itchi: theres a number of decent guides |
| 14:49.46 | Snider | just restart..and will run in kde mode? |
| 14:49.55 | tralala | itchi, there is a step-by-step howto for xen on sarge |
| 14:49.56 | dvs | Snider: there one way to find out |
| 14:50.07 | Snider | uhmm |
| 14:50.20 | bariel | i have a root webhosting, if i want to know if the admin installed the server with X or not, is it possible for me to know? how? |
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| 14:50.23 | Snider | i'll leave downloading, i gonna take a wash, thanks guys, i'll bakc i 2 hoirs |
| 14:50.31 | pickcoder | Snider: if you install kdm it should. You should run "startx" before you reboot to make sure x-windows is configured correctly. |
| 14:50.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: don't confuse him! |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:50.47 | pickcoder | I'm just saying! |
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| 14:51.15 | Snider | ok..i will |
| 14:51.25 | itchi | Yeah, probably i need to find the rights ones ;-) Is that like qemu or is that only an server? like qemu you start that on the comand line or with qemu-launcher |
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| 14:51.58 | pickcoder | there's nothing more annoying than a desktop manager than just won't stop reloading due to a bad X config |
| 14:52.12 | abrotman | pickcoder: they don't do that anymore |
| 14:52.14 | __osh__ | What's the installation-media to get if I want to make an usb-install? Floppy? |
| 14:52.27 | pickcoder | <snicker>.. really? gdm did it to me the other day |
| 14:52.29 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:52.29 | dpkg | usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 14:52.43 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's supposed to recognize that's restarting .. and tell you about it |
| 14:52.49 | petemc | itchi: grub loads the xen hypervisor which then loads a xen dom0 kernel, in which you can run domU kernels |
| 14:53.13 | bariel | what happens if i install without any swap partition? could it do anything harm? |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | could |
| 14:53.24 | __osh__ | abrotman: Thankyou. I'm looking at the install-pages but no mention of usb there. Your link should help. |
| 14:53.26 | itchi | petemc: Yeah, that looks a bit strange to me, qemu or vmware looks easier as that xen |
| 14:53.30 | petemc | if you run out of memory you'll have problems |
| 14:53.38 | bariel | which problems? |
| 14:53.39 | oOGneaOo | bariel: yeah |
| 14:53.49 | oOGneaOo | slow system, hardlocks |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | bariel: it will die |
| 14:54.00 | oOGneaOo | auto-dying processes |
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| 14:54.02 | bariel | shit |
| 14:54.04 | petemc | itchi: im not sure what you find strange about it, it works well |
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| 14:54.17 | bariel | then i need to reinstall it again, a friend of me install the box for me |
| 14:54.17 | tralala | bariel, you can add a swap partition at any time though |
| 14:54.19 | oOGneaOo | bariel: why wouldn't you want swap? |
| 14:54.25 | oOGneaOo | ah |
| 14:54.35 | itchi | petemc: Yeah, i'm sure it would be somethings super usefull |
| 14:54.43 | oOGneaOo | tralala: did your 'friend' partition the system or throw it all on one? |
| 14:54.43 | bariel | i only see /dev/hda1 and tmpfs |
| 14:54.47 | dvs | bariel: you just have to have extra space on a drive |
| 14:55.01 | oOGneaOo | bariel: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 14:55.01 | itchi | peterS: With qemu, you can run that in an running os. Is that the same case with xen? |
| 14:55.04 | petemc | you can use a file for swap |
| 14:55.06 | tralala | oOGneaOo, my friends don't do such things |
| 14:55.06 | Wolfpaws | Um... A question: How do I install the signature for files that are about to get installed (namely Python 2.4)? |
| 14:55.09 | bariel | he put all 18GB at / and 63M tmpfs |
| 14:55.27 | oOGneaOo | tmpfs is something the OS sets up |
| 14:55.32 | bariel | tralala, how can i add a swap without having it reinstall from the scratch? |
| 14:55.41 | oOGneaOo | bariel: no offense, but your friend is an idiot |
| 14:55.44 | abrotman | bariel: he can make a swap file |
| 14:56.02 | bariel | oOGneaOo, i think so |
| 14:56.12 | oOGneaOo | a swap file will be slower, but it will work |
| 14:56.14 | tralala | bariel, you can either use a swap file instead of a swap partition or resize the root partition using parted and add a swap partition |
| 14:56.25 | bariel | if i were him, i would make hda1, hda2, and swap |
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| 14:56.29 | oOGneaOo | bariel: lol - yeah, you should reinstall - how much ram do you have? |
| 14:56.32 | petemc | oOGneaOo: im not sure its much slower now, it used to be.. |
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| 14:56.46 | bariel | i see only 128 in meminfo, dont know if it is SD or DDram |
| 14:56.52 | oOGneaOo | petemc: well it's less secure |
| 14:56.58 | petemc | oOGneaOo: ? |
| 14:57.12 | itchi | bariel: Take an live cd, resize the partition and make an swap with gparted for example |
| 14:57.14 | __osh__ | abrotman: Hmm, that page assumes that I already have linux running somewhere. Screw it. I'll just burn another cd then... |
| 14:57.15 | oOGneaOo | petemc: could you imagine some dickwad rm'ing it? |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:57.47 | oOGneaOo | hell i don't even know if that's possible |
| 14:57.49 | bariel | itchi, i dont have access to that box, only ssh |
| 14:58.19 | tralala | oOGneaOo, I can imaging the equivalent operation on a swap partition as well |
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| 14:58.39 | pickcoder | you can remove swap |
| 14:58.49 | mastroDani | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:59.18 | oOGneaOo | Adding 492k swap on swapfile. Priority:-2 extents:3 across:572k |
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| 14:59.26 | tripppy | there is some embedded linux on my set-top-box which can browse the net over eth0, it has two ports opened and i was hoping i could connect to it |
| 14:59.57 | bariel | oOGneaOo, df -l /dev/hda shows me 3 rows, hda1, hda2 extended and hda5 linux swap/solaris??! that means, he did a swap? |
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| 15:00.17 | bariel | i thought he didnt make a swap, because i did df -h and didnt see any swap partition |
| 15:00.18 | abrotman | tripppy: does it run debian ? |
| 15:00.39 | oOGneaOo | bariel: looks like it.... what do you get if you type the free command? |
| 15:00.42 | bariel | oOGneaOo, i meant fdisk -l |
| 15:00.48 | pickcoder | tripppy: doubtful, but it depends on what services are running on it. |
| 15:00.48 | WerdnaServer | hey, I want to move my /usr tree to a different (already partitioned) disk. Is this possible? If so, how can I do so on a live server? |
| 15:00.49 | tripppy | i dont know how to find out. |
| 15:00.54 | oOGneaOo | bariel: right |
| 15:00.59 | tripppy | ports 113 and 6012 |
| 15:01.03 | Wolfpaws | Better question: How to add package verification key to APT? and where can I find them? |
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| 15:01.10 | oOGneaOo | ok, i just added that swapfile, then removed it... waiting.... |
| 15:01.18 | bariel | oOGneaOo, oh there i see swap. 377488 total |
| 15:01.34 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 15:01.34 | dpkg | i heard apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 15:01.42 | Wolfpaws | Thank you :) |
| 15:01.54 | bariel | oOGneaOo, so there is a swap in in the system? i thought he is an idiot, so i am an =) |
| 15:01.55 | oOGneaOo | bariel: :) |
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| 15:02.07 | tralala | bariel, after all your friend is not an idiot |
| 15:02.17 | bariel | tralala, yes, i am |
| 15:03.01 | bariel | 368MB for swap, it is too few or its ok? |
| 15:03.09 | abrotman | how much RAM ? |
| 15:03.10 | dvs | bariel: how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:03.14 | bariel | 128mb |
| 15:03.21 | dvs | It's alright |
| 15:03.35 | Dewi | tripppy: 113 is just auth. 6012 is unknown... |
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| 15:03.57 | bariel | how do you calculate it, how much swap is at least needed for how much ram? |
| 15:04.09 | bokey | funny -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes_Plutonium |
| 15:04.09 | zinx | bariel: depends entirely on your needs |
| 15:04.18 | Dewi | tripppy: seems to be used for X but I don't know how that would apply to you |
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| 15:04.38 | pickcoder | the more RAM you have the less swap you need, but the rule of thumb (old now) was double swap for RAM |
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| 15:04.53 | Dewi | bariel: people multiply it, but that's a bit silly. It's just that plus your RAM is how much RAM you have |
| 15:05.02 | Dewi | bariel: the more swap involved the slower your system will be |
| 15:05.08 | bariel | zinx, i need that box only for webserver application, and maybe some cronjobs doing some backups, no more thatn that |
| 15:05.08 | zinx | pickcoder: if i end up using 2G of swap, my system's going to be unusable anyway :D |
| 15:05.09 | tripppy | where should i head in IRC land to ask aspecially about embedded linux? |
| 15:05.12 | Dewi | bariel: when it is in use I mean |
| 15:05.29 | pickcoder | zinx: like I said. the more RAM you have, the less swap you need |
| 15:05.36 | bokey | tralala# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes_Plutonium =) |
| 15:05.44 | Dewi | tripppy: probably a support area for the specific device you are using |
| 15:05.51 | Dewi | tripppy: embedded linux could be just about anything |
| 15:05.58 | tralala | bokey? |
| 15:06.09 | pickcoder | yet, if you have a 500GB hard drive I think that 1GB for swap isn't pointless or a waste of disk space |
| 15:06.16 | mastroDani | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.28 | bariel | Dewi, the more swap involved the slower my system will be? means if i have bigger ram, the less swap will be involved? |
| 15:06.34 | zinx | pickcoder: i have a gig, and i've gotten near using it :( |
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| 15:06.44 | pickcoder | zinx: that's not good |
| 15:06.48 | zinx | pick: i agree |
| 15:06.51 | zinx | pick: i need more cash :) |
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| 15:06.57 | Dewi | bariel: swap is what is used when your RAM runs out. Then when your swap runs out, you can't load anything more |
| 15:07.10 | bokey | tralala# about a character called Archimedes Plutonium =P |
| 15:07.16 | pickcoder | zinx: you need a faster disk subsystem |
| 15:07.21 | pickcoder | caching controller |
| 15:07.22 | bariel | means, as long as i have enough ram, swap wont be used at that time |
| 15:07.28 | Dewi | bariel: how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:07.34 | bariel | Dewi, 128mb |
| 15:07.37 | zinx | pick: naw, i need more rams |
| 15:07.42 | DavidProck1981 | is any one that was helping me still in here |
| 15:07.43 | tralala | bokey, does it have to do with anything or you just felt like sharing it? |
| 15:07.59 | bokey | tralala# latter =) |
| 15:08.06 | Feax | !esound |
| 15:08.07 | dpkg | esd is probably the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 15:08.21 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg |
| 15:08.21 | pickcoder | our mail gateway currently has 522MB free out of 2GB and all of the 2.6GB of swap |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: dpkg is a bot |
| 15:08.32 | Dewi | bariel: well your swap is already a lot bigger than your RAM. If you actually use all that your system will be getting quite slow |
| 15:08.42 | Dewi | bariel: you can always add more swap, but I don't know how much it would help you |
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| 15:08.46 | DavidProck1981 | for read |
| 15:08.49 | DavidProck1981 | real |
| 15:09.21 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: yes.. it's an eggdrop bot |
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| 15:09.28 | abrotman | pickcoder: blootbot |
| 15:09.31 | DavidProck1981 | there has to be a person siting behind it |
| 15:09.33 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 15:09.41 | pickcoder | same difference |
| 15:09.43 | WerdnaServer | Can I use single-user mode in an ssh terminal? |
| 15:09.45 | tralala | dpkg, who owns you? |
| 15:09.45 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 15:09.45 | pickcoder | it's not a mIRC script |
| 15:09.49 | pickcoder | so it's an eggy |
| 15:09.51 | pickcoder | :P |
| 15:09.58 | WerdnaServer | or do I need kvm access? |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | WerdnaServer: out or in ? |
| 15:10.21 | WerdnaServer | abrotman: I don't understand? |
| 15:10.25 | Dewi | WerdnaServer: are you asking how to get network and daemons like sshd in single user mode? |
| 15:10.30 | pickcoder | ok.. I'm not waiting here any more |
| 15:10.34 | pickcoder | an hour is long enough |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | WerdnaServer: the box in single user is the server or the client ? |
| 15:10.35 | WerdnaServer | Dewi: No. |
| 15:10.36 | beardy | pickcoder: Didn't you read what abrotman told you? |
| 15:10.37 | tralala | WerdnaServer, do you want to remotely control a box in single user mode? |
| 15:10.48 | scorn | Is there a fix to the apache 2.2/libphp4.so upgrade issue on testing? |
| 15:10.48 | WerdnaServer | I'm connecting to my server using ssh over openvpn |
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| 15:10.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's a blootbot .. nothing to do with eggdrop |
| 15:10.53 | bariel | ok, another question, is it possible to trace with which installation is the server installed, eg. with X / without X? |
| 15:11.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: fine.. it's a blootbot |
| 15:11.04 | WerdnaServer | I need to move my /usr directory, and as such drop to single-user mode with init 1 |
| 15:11.04 | pickcoder | l8ra |
| 15:11.06 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 15:11.14 | WerdnaServer | Is that possible over ssh? |
| 15:11.23 | bariel | abrotman, you meant that for me? |
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| 15:11.47 | WerdnaServer | or will dropping to single-user mode drop sshd and openvpn and require me to use it directly on the console? |
| 15:11.52 | muh2000 | what is the new proftpd.conf name for LDAPserver.... ? |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | bariel: eh .. don' tthink so |
| 15:12.42 | WerdnaServer | abrotman: the box is the server |
| 15:12.44 | bariel | abrotman, you know if it is possible? |
| 15:12.46 | WerdnaServer | tralala: yes. |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | bariel: if what is ? |
| 15:13.04 | Dewi | bariel: what do you mean X and without X? |
| 15:13.09 | Dewi | bariel: what is with or without X? |
| 15:13.15 | tralala | WerdnaServer, it will, but you don't need to go to single user to move /usr. Of course, if do something wrong you might end up badly so it's probably better to do it locally anyway. |
| 15:13.20 | abrotman | WerdnaServer: it will stop it buti think you can manually start it |
| 15:13.35 | bariel | if it is possible to trace which installation method is choosen on the installation, eg. with or without X |
| 15:13.49 | bariel | Dewi, with gui |
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| 15:13.52 | nothlit | Can someone tell me what dpkg - warning: while removing gnome-commander, directory `/var/lib/scrollkeeper/index' (also TOC) not empty so not removed. means? |
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| 15:13.52 | abrotman | bariel: is this for Debian ? |
| 15:13.54 | Dewi | bariel: you can add X at any time |
| 15:14.05 | bariel | abrotman, yes |
| 15:14.08 | abrotman | nothlit: just means there's something in that dir |
| 15:14.11 | bariel | Dewi, i dont want X |
| 15:14.11 | Dewi | bariel: debian doesn't have a graphical installer yet, unless you have been using very recent betas |
| 15:14.19 | WerdnaServer | tralala: so how would I move /usr without dropping to single-user? I believe there are programs running from that directory, surely you can't move their executables away from where they started? |
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| 15:14.43 | nothlit | abrotman, does that mean i should flush the directory or leave its contents alone? |
| 15:14.50 | Wolfpaws | *grumble* Testing doesn't seems to have any package ferifications :o |
| 15:14.59 | abrotman | you can leave it if you want .. the package was already removed |
| 15:15.00 | bariel | Dewi, no no, thats not what i meant, i would like to know if my friend installed X-Server on it |
| 15:15.02 | Dewi | bariel: you can add or remove X at any time. Does it matter if it happened during install? |
| 15:15.37 | bariel | Dewi, no matter actually, if it is installed, i will remove it, any possibility to know what packages are installed? |
| 15:15.46 | Dewi | bariel: dpkg --list x* |
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| 15:16.03 | Dewi | bariel: that should give you some idea how much of X is installed |
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| 15:16.20 | admin__ | hello, Does anyone know the name of a program that allows you to connect computers together and one of the computers can use all the cpu power of the other ones? |
| 15:16.49 | tarzeau | admin__: mosix? condor? beowulf? there's many |
| 15:16.50 | Dewi | admin__: that's called distributed computing; it's not a program |
| 15:16.50 | h3sp4wn | admin__: open mosix ? |
| 15:16.54 | tarzeau | admin__: it's not exactly like you say |
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| 15:17.07 | admin__ | oh.. |
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| 15:17.19 | Dewi | admin__: there is no program to just do it |
| 15:17.20 | h3sp4wn | admin__: plan9 does the distributed computing thing in an interesting way |
| 15:17.32 | bariel | Dewi, i see, oh, so many packages are installed, which i dont need |
| 15:17.40 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: have you used it? |
| 15:17.45 | Dewi | bariel: it depends |
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| 15:17.52 | Dewi | bariel: I normally don't install an X server |
| 15:18.05 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I have used it but not recently |
| 15:18.08 | Dewi | bariel: but I do have X client libs installed so that I can occasionally run graphical apps from remote locations |
| 15:18.10 | admin__ | it is simple to used, i see one called "boinc" |
| 15:18.22 | bariel | Dewi, for example i dont need thos X stuff, but i see there are a lot kde trash there |
| 15:18.39 | Dewi | admin__: that's a platform for distributed projects such as seti@home |
| 15:18.45 | admin__ | oh |
| 15:18.46 | tralala | WerdnaServer, you will copy /usr to it's now location, then remove the old one and symlink/mount the new /usr. I don't recommend it though. |
| 15:18.47 | g00se | How do i configure Xvnc so i can connect to 0: remotely? |
| 15:18.56 | scorn | is there a fix available for this: "Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load: |
| 15:18.56 | scorn | API module structure `php4_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 15:19.13 | abrotman | scorn: yeah .. don't run testing/unstable |
| 15:19.14 | Dewi | admin__: but programmes must be written specifically for it |
| 15:19.26 | itchi | When i build qemu from source with kqemu support i get the following error : http://pastebin.ca/245868 |
| 15:19.27 | Dewi | (why do I sometimes spell programs the old way? crazy) |
| 15:19.38 | DavidProck1981 | well any way i changed in my source.list stable TO etch and ran "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and it was to doing a lot of downloading so i went to bed woke up and went through a setup menu then i was answering some Questions in shell, and there was ont thing , dont remember the name of it but it asked fo i want to use the something default and gave me an option to compair the files so i did, and when i got to the en |
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| 15:19.47 | itchi | Are i'm missing some package or so? |
| 15:20.01 | Dewi | bariel: I see. Well, you can try to remove some if you think it's necessary. |
| 15:20.01 | scorn | I'm not complaining, I understand there are inherent risks with running testing, just wanting to know if there is a fix available yet. |
| 15:20.17 | Dewi | bariel: if it's not running though, it's probably not doing any harm |
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| 15:20.23 | scorn | abrotman: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load: |
| 15:20.24 | scorn | API module structure `php4_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 15:20.29 | scorn | sorry |
| 15:20.57 | Eulex | scorn, check the appropriate bug report? |
| 15:20.58 | abrotman | i know what it is |
| 15:21.00 | scorn | abrotman: I'm not complaining, I understand there are inherent risks with running testing, just wanting to know if there is a fix available yet |
| 15:21.01 | Wolfpaws | maybe it's compiled for the wrong apache? |
| 15:21.09 | bariel | Dewi, i see X is running, it could use up my ram, can i kill it? |
| 15:21.13 | abrotman | scorn: downgrade apache .. or wait |
| 15:21.21 | scorn | abrotman, thanks. |
| 15:21.34 | Dewi | bariel: are you sure it's running? |
| 15:21.47 | Dewi | bariel: you didn't even seem sure if it was installed |
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| 15:21.49 | DavidProck1981 | is any one reading what i typed |
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| 15:21.57 | Wolfpaws | no |
| 15:22.02 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: it got cut off after "got to the en--" |
| 15:22.03 | DavidProck1981 | i need help |
| 15:22.15 | bariel | Dewi, ps -elf shows me X ist running |
| 15:22.16 | Javaman | anapivirtua: ptite pute :) |
| 15:22.19 | estong_ | helloooow! |
| 15:22.41 | estong_ | got past the router issue. whew! |
| 15:23.02 | DavidProck1981 | well any way i changed in my source.list stable TO etch and ran "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and it was to doing a lot of downloading so i went to bed woke up and went through a setup menu then i was answering some Questions in shell, and there was ont thing , dont remember the name of it but it asked fo i want to use the something default and gave me an option to compair the files so i did, |
| 15:23.05 | itchi | Javaman: Pay attention to wath you tell! |
| 15:23.05 | Dewi | bariel: you don't need to uninstall X to make it not run |
| 15:23.08 | DavidProck1981 | and when i got to the end of the text it say (END) and i did not know how to get back to the Question so i did Ctrl+C so i did "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" again, i thank that resumed went through some more questions and to erstart for some reanon and now it wants me to login is shell and my key board dont work ((by the way im in widows so i can talk to u guys)) |
| 15:23.09 | tralala | estong_, shorewall+dnsmasq? |
| 15:23.16 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: jesus. You don't need to repeat the whole damn story |
| 15:23.17 | estong_ | yup tralala |
| 15:23.26 | d0uglas | well i got me a blackberry with "tether mode" to get on the net.. usb. The guy says it's simple pppoe stuff and therefore should be fine with linux. He also said it isn't firewalled and you could "telnet in" and it's a static ip but i think he's jiving |
| 15:23.30 | nothlit | abrotman, does that mean its safe for me to get rid of anything in `/var/lib/scrollkeeper/index' and /var/lib/scrollkeeper/TOC ? |
| 15:23.31 | tralala | so what was it? |
| 15:23.35 | anapivirtua | Javaman, can you stop that please ? :) |
| 15:23.38 | Javaman | itchi: it's friendship ;) |
| 15:23.41 | estong_ | i know u would ask that. |
| 15:23.44 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: do you have a USB keyboard? |
| 15:23.49 | abrotman | nothlit: more than likely .. though i thought a lot of things depended on scrollkeeper |
| 15:23.49 | Javaman | anapivirtua: no :) |
| 15:23.50 | DavidProck1981 | sooy just reat the second part then |
| 15:24.01 | bariel | what is afpovertcp? nmap shows me it is listenning |
| 15:24.06 | tralala | estong_, you could have just started with the answer then ;) |
| 15:24.07 | DavidProck1981 | ya it is USB |
| 15:24.20 | nvz | DavidProck1981: for future reference dpkg --pending --configure or such would suffice |
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| 15:24.27 | Javaman | anapivirtua: I can hurt you like last night with my belt :) |
| 15:24.27 | estong_ | well, it is an issue that you people who are gurus have a very slim chance to solve. |
| 15:24.40 | nothlit | abrotman, then why would dpkg say directory `/var/lib/scrollkeeper/index' not empty so not removed. |
| 15:24.50 | anapivirtua | Reported. :] |
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| 15:24.55 | DavidProck1981 | k so how can i get back to it |
| 15:24.56 | nothlit | abrotman, does it rebuild the index everytime an installation happens? |
| 15:25.02 | estong_ | i even had a note at it when i did that shorewall thing 2 years ago but forgot about it. |
| 15:25.02 | tralala | estong_, a pebkac? |
| 15:25.04 | nothlit | abrotman, from scratch* |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | nothlit: because it wasn't empty .. it was trying to remove that dir |
| 15:25.08 | estong_ | :) |
| 15:25.20 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: well if you have no keyboard there is not much we can help you with |
| 15:25.26 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: try using a non-USB keyboard |
| 15:25.36 | estong_ | i was on pppoe and for some reason it did not sink into me that my external interface is not eth0 |
| 15:25.41 | estong_ | but rather ppp0 |
| 15:25.50 | estong_ | so stupid of me. |
| 15:26.00 | tralala | yep, a pebkac |
| 15:26.04 | admin__ | heh |
| 15:26.08 | nvz | surely there is a way around the usb keyboard.. even the evil bios emulation or something |
| 15:26.09 | itchi | Have someone see my pastebin? |
| 15:26.10 | nothlit | abrotman, but then, its supposed to be empty? or not? |
| 15:26.11 | DavidProck1981 | i cant the port is messed up it has to be usb |
| 15:26.36 | nvz | DavidProck1981: your bios should be able to emulate a legacy keyboard |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | nothlit: depends on your setup .. |
| 15:26.43 | g00se | I'm told that "A VNC server is already running as :0" I don't think so... |
| 15:26.50 | abrotman | nothlit: i'd just leave it |
| 15:27.06 | d0uglas | i was at the cingular store, they had a windows machine with one of those cellular radio pcmcia cards and windows in lock-down mode on their website but i did my elite telnet:// trick to fire up my server and i tracerouted their ass, using alt enter to blow it up full screen. That'll show 'em. |
| 15:27.18 | estong_ | so anyway, i reinstalled and switched from sarge to sid when i discovered that. |
| 15:27.20 | nvz | g00se: you have an xserver running on :0 and want to view it remotely with a vnc server? |
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| 15:27.42 | DavidProck1981 | when i use the adapter to plun in the normal way the bios say keyboard error |
| 15:27.47 | nothlit | abrotman, would it have to do with me halting a unresponsive installation? it not being empty? |
| 15:27.55 | g00se | nvz: vncserver is runnng remotely |
| 15:27.56 | DavidProck1981 | BRB |
| 15:28.02 | abrotman | nothlit: not likely |
| 15:28.02 | DavidProck1981 | BRB |
| 15:28.13 | abrotman | you said .. now go |
| 15:28.19 | nvz | g00se: vncserver creates a whole new server display.. are you trying to export an xsession you are already running? |
| 15:28.21 | Wolfpaws | note to self: use grub-install after upgrading from LILO |
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| 15:28.52 | nvz | DavidProck1981: the bios should be able to emulate the PS/2 keyboard with it plugged into USB its an option in the bios setup |
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| 15:28.57 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 15:28.57 | g00se | nvz: that's right. It will allow me to specify which i export but errors if it's :0 |
| 15:29.02 | nvz | g00se: install the rfb package and run x0rfbserv from that desktop |
| 15:29.08 | Ramattack | how could I know default flags are used in gcc in debian? |
| 15:29.08 | Wolfpaws | Erm... Is there a rescue-type system on the drb CD that I can use? |
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| 15:29.30 | Wolfpaws | Ramattack: gcc -V |
| 15:29.31 | nvz | g00se: rfb is the protocol remote frame buffer, vncserver is a complete X server and does not depend on or work with X |
| 15:29.32 | Javaman | anapivirtua: l.a.m.e.r |
| 15:29.32 | Dewi | Wolfpaws: I think there is; press F1..Fwhatever in the boot menu |
| 15:29.42 | bintut | does smartmontools supports a seagate 160gb sata hdd? |
| 15:29.43 | g00se | nvz: Could do, but are you saying that Xvnc alone won't do it? |
| 15:29.47 | nvz | g00se: you just want to export an already running server across the protocol |
| 15:29.55 | Ramattack | worlpaws option not recognized |
| 15:30.14 | Dewi | bariel: I dunno what afpovertcp is, but you can stop X from automatically loading by removing or disabling the x loading daemon |
| 15:30.17 | bariel | 848/tcp open unknown, what is listening on that port? |
| 15:30.19 | abrotman | Javaman: can you stop now ? |
| 15:30.21 | Wolfpaws | Ramattack: gcc -v |
| 15:30.22 | nothlit | abrotman, could i just remove the offending dirs and try to use 'scrollkeeper-update' to rebuild it? |
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| 15:30.27 | Dewi | bariel: but are you sure it's running because... you weren't even sure before whether it was installed |
| 15:30.36 | nvz | g00se: vncserver is for when you want to ssh into a box that may or may not have X at all and run X clients remotely.. it acts as an X server for the clients. rfb is not an X server, it requires one |
| 15:30.40 | abrotman | nothlit: mv them .. if you're really interested in trying |
| 15:30.44 | d0uglas | Dewi: you can also stop it from automatically loading my removing the desktop manager |
| 15:30.53 | bariel | Dewi, that was before i see the ps listed |
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| 15:31.04 | nvz | g00se: rfb is more like the realvnc server for windows |
| 15:31.04 | g00se | nvz: I think i'm getting you but actually i *am* sshing in |
| 15:31.05 | Dewi | bariel: what do you see in the ps list that concerns you? |
| 15:31.13 | estong_ | ops. i should say etch. experiencing a weird behavior with etch presently. after starting the gui with startx and then logging out from the gui, the screen goes blank and it appears that i did not go back to textmode. i have to reset/restart to bring back the screen again. |
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| 15:31.28 | nvz | g00se: then whats the problem with starting vnc on a new screen and using that? |
| 15:31.30 | bariel | Dewi, i see this line in ps 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten |
| 15:31.40 | Javaman | abrotman: I already explain it : it's friendly, I meet anapivirtua everyday (and like I know his, he will say the opposite that I said) ^^^^ |
| 15:31.42 | nvz | g00se: or do you need to work with someone who is on :0 using X ? |
| 15:31.43 | nothlit | abrotman, ahh k, ty for the help |
| 15:31.47 | Ramattack | Wolfpaws well I wanted to know if felide-contructors is enabled by default... it doesn't appear here but reading man only appear fno-elidecontructors so default could be yes? |
| 15:31.51 | g00se | nvz: yes |
| 15:31.59 | estong_ | i did a minimal install initially and then added gnome-core and xorg. |
| 15:32.01 | d0uglas | xtightvncserver seems to come with its own WMs |
| 15:32.04 | nvz | g00se: ask them to install rfb and start the x0rfbserv |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | Javaman: fine .. but it doesn't have to happen in here |
| 15:32.25 | g00se | nvz: well i can do that from here if necessary |
| 15:32.39 | nvz | g00se: x0rfbserv will open a small about 48x48pixel monitor window that will allow them to configure the session and monitor activity |
| 15:32.59 | g00se | d0uglas+nvz: I *did* install tightvnc on the remote box |
| 15:33.03 | nvz | g00se: well you could install it but getting it to run and attach to the display from ssh might be a trick |
| 15:33.06 | Javaman | abrotman: it's a pretty pleasant joke to see a friend speak english whereas his language is french ;) |
| 15:33.29 | nvz | g00se: they will probably need to run the application from their end, since it will need xauth to connect to the display |
| 15:33.31 | limpio | estong_, did you install x-window-system-core? |
| 15:33.46 | estong_ | no. |
| 15:33.55 | Dewi | bariel: if X is loading automatically, do you have an xdm daemon? |
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| 15:34.12 | estong_ | also i did install gdm. |
| 15:34.13 | bariel | yes |
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| 15:34.16 | bariel | gdm is running |
| 15:34.26 | earthian | hello, i have a practical question: what desktop environment is the most stable???? |
| 15:34.39 | estong_ | sorry, i did NOT install gdm. |
| 15:34.41 | g00se | nvz: I could log in as them and set auth |
| 15:34.41 | Wolfpaws | stable? |
| 15:34.47 | nvz | g00se: I am about to leave town though to go camping, so hopefully you got what you needed from me :P |
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| 15:34.55 | Ramattack | Wolfpaws that's for me? |
| 15:34.59 | Dewi | bariel: maybe remove it from things that run on boot using 'rcconf' ? |
| 15:35.00 | g00se | nvz: Thanks |
| 15:35.04 | nvz | no problem |
| 15:35.08 | limpio | gdm is not necessary, start with startx |
| 15:35.10 | g00se | ... and happy camping |
| 15:35.43 | nvz | I dont know about happy, but I will probably be high which usually creates a sense of happiness |
| 15:35.48 | earthian | yea.. stable. the bugless one. could be without some functions but without bugs |
| 15:35.50 | estong_ | ok, so at least we can discount that as a remote cause of the blank screen. |
| 15:36.08 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
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| 15:36.31 | d0uglas | nvz: that sense of happiness is a patina above a subtly growing depression |
| 15:36.33 | estong_ | limpio, so i should install x-window-system-core? |
| 15:36.37 | limpio | install x-window-system-core |
| 15:36.40 | bariel | can i use aptitude remove all that X,kde,gnome stuff? |
| 15:36.43 | DavidProck1981 | i have a live cd so could i use it edit a file so my usb kbd will work |
| 15:36.43 | dvs | d0uglas: huh? |
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| 15:37.01 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 15:37.01 | dpkg | i guess remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 15:37.06 | bobesponja | hey |
| 15:37.11 | d0uglas | dvs: i'm saying drugs, except for the ones i take, in general, are whack and that he should reconsider |
| 15:37.23 | bobesponja | sorry for the question but is there any release date more or less for etch? |
| 15:37.24 | Dewi | bariel: yep |
| 15:37.35 | Dewi | bariel: but it might not be necessary to delete it all |
| 15:37.46 | Dewi | bariel: just remove whatever's starting it up |
| 15:38.11 | bariel | Dewi, i dont need all that X-stuff, so it is not necessary installed |
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| 15:38.47 | bariel | !remove X |
| 15:38.47 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 15:38.59 | estong_ | limpio, i can't give u feedback now as the subject wkstation is only remotely accessible at this time. |
| 15:39.18 | limpio | ok |
| 15:39.26 | estong_ | thank u. |
| 15:39.42 | limpio | good luck |
| 15:40.22 | bariel | lol, apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common tells me after this, it will freed 1GB |
| 15:40.34 | dvs | no surprise |
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| 15:41.23 | mateuszk | oOGneaOo, Hi |
| 15:41.33 | bariel | what happens if a user is logged in, and i remove that stuff, will he be kicked out? |
| 15:41.49 | mateuszk | bariel, what stuff? |
| 15:41.55 | bariel | mateuszk, X |
| 15:42.04 | DavidProck1981 | what is the latest etch, beta 3 |
| 15:42.21 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: the installer is beta 3 |
| 15:42.29 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: not etch itself |
| 15:42.33 | mateuszk | bariel, you mean if you kill X ? |
| 15:42.54 | bariel | mateuszk, indirect, if i remove xfree86, i think it will be killed first |
| 15:43.00 | itchi | How can i get my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) working ? |
| 15:43.03 | DavidProck1981 | what is the tecy it self thin, i dond quite get it |
| 15:43.03 | Dewi | bariel: if you're worried about things like that, why are you uninstalling hundreds of packages for no reason? |
| 15:43.27 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: the latest etch is the latest etch. it doesn't have a designation |
| 15:43.36 | bariel | Dewi, like i said, my friend installed it, he installed everything, also X, which we dont need at all |
| 15:43.54 | Dewi | bariel: and your point is? |
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| 15:44.26 | Dewi | bariel: Just be careful when removing hundreds of packages. It might do more harm than good |
| 15:44.35 | bariel | Dewi, just want to know if a user is logged in (which i dont believe), and i remove X, what happens to that user? |
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| 15:44.54 | mateuszk | bariel, yes |
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| 15:45.04 | d0uglas | are there any good handwriting fonts that randomize anomolies so you don't have repeated letters looking the same? that's really important to me for some reason. |
| 15:45.12 | bariel | mateuszk, ok |
| 15:45.17 | mateuszk | bariel, his X session will be killed |
| 15:45.23 | bariel | cool =) |
| 15:45.24 | abrotman | !beer alindeman |
| 15:45.39 | itchi | echo |
| 15:45.40 | mateuszk | bariel, but it depends how it was started... |
| 15:45.47 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 15:45.51 | itchi | Work this stuff here? |
| 15:45.57 | DavidProck1981 | what is the download link for the latest etch, is this it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:46.08 | amphi | itchi: which stuff? ;) |
| 15:46.20 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: looks about right. |
| 15:46.33 | DevilChaos | i have synaptics installed just wondering how the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg picks this up? |
| 15:46.35 | DavidProck1981 | what is the _di_ for |
| 15:46.36 | mateuszk | bariel, write user; sleep; killall -9 X |
| 15:46.57 | itchi | amphi: The irc here ;-) like i asked some differents questions today and have getted very low feedback |
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| 15:47.11 | mateuszk | I have a problem when I try to remove package dpkg segfaults ;( I cant purge nor reinstall plz help. Its beast under sid. |
| 15:47.16 | mateuszk | Any help? |
| 15:47.25 | DavidProck1981 | i wish there was a way to reuse dvd,s |
| 15:47.27 | amphi | itchi: heh - how are things going? much progress? |
| 15:47.39 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: DVD-RW? |
| 15:47.41 | bokey | as |
| 15:48.01 | bokey | nas0 |
| 15:48.06 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: di means debian installer |
| 15:48.27 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: as I said the beta 3 is the version of the installer, not the version of etch |
| 15:48.37 | DavidProck1981 | will dvd-rw work for these cd images |
| 15:48.47 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, some little troubles with some things left and right with the new laptop. I need to setup everythings and some little things where i fail, like the build-in wifi, Ethernet card |
| 15:48.53 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: I imagine it would |
| 15:48.59 | earthian | DavidProck1981, yes |
| 15:49.07 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: yes, as long as the drive you are going to read it with can read DVD-RW |
| 15:49.11 | earthian | i used cdrw to install debian/etch |
| 15:49.20 | DavidProck1981 | BRB again, got kids |
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| 15:49.51 | amphi | itchi: little things, heh |
| 15:50.06 | amphi | itchi: the intel driver wouldn't build? |
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| 15:50.32 | itchi | amphi: I find the 3D realy poor; too poor compared how it run in MS win |
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| 15:51.15 | itchi | amphi: In windows, the 3D gfx is too amazing. Here under Debian, it's not playable in games; i not yet know whats happend |
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| 15:51.34 | estong_ | quiz: etch is installed in hdc and grub is installed in hda. Will the system run if i disconnect hda? What steps should be taken to ensure that etch boots properly? |
| 15:51.51 | mateuszk | Any help ? |
| 15:51.58 | mateuszk | I have a problem when I try to remove package dpkg segfaults ;( I cant purge nor reinstall plz help. Its beast under sid. |
| 15:51.59 | itchi | amphi: But playing games on the laptop are realy not the first priority, so i'm not angy ;-) |
| 15:51.59 | d0uglas | screen rules.. i can't believe i've gone so long without this prog |
| 15:52.04 | mateuszk | I cant remove package |
| 15:52.09 | d0uglas | y'all need to use screen |
| 15:52.10 | mateuszk | nor reinstall it |
| 15:52.12 | mateuszk | dpkg segfaults |
| 15:52.15 | mateuszk | any help ? |
| 15:52.20 | d0uglas | it has a certain god-like quality, screen |
| 15:52.28 | Dewi | itchi: is debian configured to use your 3D hardware? |
| 15:52.35 | Jean2 | hi, is resize2fs included in the installer? |
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| 15:53.15 | itchi | Dewi: I think; i did not yet somethings to get that, looks like it work /badly/ default |
| 15:53.19 | Dewi | itchi: your video card might have capabilities your debian system is not using; if it is a lot slower than windows... |
| 15:53.34 | itchi | Dewi: There was an command there i not more remember that show if direct rendering is on |
| 15:53.48 | abrotman | glxinfo |
| 15:54.10 | itchi | Dewi: Yeah, it is real too slow; and also i can not select higher than 640x480 in games |
| 15:54.11 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:54.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 15:54.46 | itchi | yup, direct rendering: Yes |
| 15:55.00 | Eclipser | spambots haven't found that useful yet? |
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| 15:55.41 | Jean2 | or is there another way to resize existing ext2 with the installer? |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | Eclipser: yes .. the page used to tell us when someone had posted .. it doesn't anymore |
| 15:56.15 | Eclipser | heh |
| 15:56.38 | davi | Does etch carry UTF-8 support on all applications ? |
| 15:56.47 | blondie | no |
| 15:56.52 | davi | shit |
| 15:57.08 | blondie | there's thousands of them |
| 15:57.21 | itchi | And how can i give more power to Debian so that he better use my intel card? |
| 15:57.40 | davi | blondie, Does it takes UTF-8 as default when it is possible? |
| 15:57.52 | blondie | it's up to individual programs what they do |
| 15:57.59 | davi | ok, thanks |
| 15:58.06 | blondie | itchi: watch Back to the Future |
| 15:58.35 | itchi | blondie: Yeah, but that will not help |
| 15:58.46 | Parhelion | hah. IN other words he should tie his puter to a train for more juice? |
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| 15:58.51 | blondie | itchi: who is this "he" anyway? |
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| 15:59.08 | earthian | heh... |
| 15:59.13 | earthian | !icedove |
| 15:59.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 15:59.24 | blondie | icedove :S |
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| 15:59.27 | itchi | blondie: Debian |
| 15:59.30 | blondie | what a stupid name |
| 15:59.30 | earthian | wtf? |
| 15:59.35 | blondie | itchi: "it" then |
| 15:59.37 | earthian | !thunderbird |
| 15:59.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, thunderbird is mozilla.org's cross-platform email client using XUL (GTK+), packaged in mozilla-thunderbird in Sarge and the thunderbird package in Etch. http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 15:59.56 | itchi | blondie: Okay ;-) |
| 15:59.57 | amphi | itchi: what version of debian have you on that monstrosity? ;) |
| 15:59.58 | d0uglas | can these birds handle exchange public folder stuff |
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| 16:00.15 | DavidProck1981 | how many times could u burn a iso to a dvd-rw |
| 16:00.17 | itchi | amphi: monstrosity? |
| 16:00.21 | itchi | amphi: Is it not right? |
| 16:00.34 | itchi | amphi: Running Etch here |
| 16:00.45 | d0uglas | DavidProck1981: roughly the same times as the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop |
| 16:00.59 | d0uglas | ok that wasn't funny sorry |
| 16:01.01 | DavidProck1981 | and that is |
| 16:01.18 | Eulex | what's a tootsie? |
| 16:01.25 | DavidProck1981 | omg |
| 16:01.27 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 16:01.27 | cahoot | another way of syaing : no idea? |
| 16:01.33 | d0uglas | !tootsie |
| 16:01.34 | amphi | itchi: I was being rude about your machine ;) |
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| 16:01.36 | d0uglas | nope |
| 16:01.43 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
| 16:01.44 | DavidProck1981 | morethan 10? |
| 16:02.02 | d0uglas | DavidProck1981: why rw? r is better for the economy |
| 16:02.07 | amphi | itchi: the wifi driver should be simple enough |
| 16:02.39 | cahoot | DavidProck1981: google says DVD-RW discs can be written over 1000 times |
| 16:02.57 | earthian | wtf?! that icedove has killed my thunderbird!!! >:( |
| 16:02.59 | DavidProck1981 | ive got Soooo many linux cd/dvd now im about to add 3 more to the list |
| 16:03.10 | Dewi | earthian: that's what icedoves do |
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| 16:03.13 | Dewi | earthian: the bastards |
| 16:03.22 | earthian | when i run thunderbird is says something about not found stuff... |
| 16:03.24 | earthian | :/ |
| 16:03.36 | Dewi | earthian: so run icedove |
| 16:03.43 | earthian | icedove itself is a new mail client.. it does not have my accounts and mails |
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| 16:03.50 | earthian | :o |
| 16:03.52 | earthian | ffs |
| 16:04.13 | estong_ | on removing 1 of 2 harddisks (hda,hdc) in etch (hdc has etch but grub is in mbr of hda). is it enough that i reinstall grub at the mbr of hdc, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit /etc/fstab before disconnecting hda? |
| 16:04.29 | Dewi | earthian: hmm. since they are exactly the same, it is probably a matter of copying your .thunderbird to .icedove or something like that. |
| 16:04.55 | Dewi | earthian: I don't run thunderbird in debian though so I don't know the specifics |
| 16:05.24 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, if i follow the steps on the ipw site it's looks like simply. Just that i get an stupid error while building and loading the ipw3945 module. Not yet fixed and on #ipw2100 these not know about |
| 16:05.41 | DavidProck1981 | do u know how i can put the basic install of etch on a Jump Drive and have it get the rest off of the HDD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO THAT |
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| 16:05.58 | earthian | well.. think i wont use thunderbird too :( |
| 16:06.01 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: what's a jump drive? |
| 16:06.10 | earthian | it fked up with me |
| 16:06.18 | Dewi | earthian: okay |
| 16:06.24 | DavidProck1981 | a thing that plugs in the use and has 256MB on it |
| 16:06.32 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: what happened to DVD? |
| 16:06.39 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: it's about 100 times easier |
| 16:06.48 | earthian | Dewi, what client do you use? |
| 16:06.50 | DavidProck1981 | i want to do it off the HDD |
| 16:07.06 | DavidProck1981 | would be better for me |
| 16:07.10 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: why? |
| 16:07.11 | amphi | itchi: did you try an older version of the driver? I'm still using an ancient version of the ipw2200 driver, and it works fine |
| 16:07.19 | Dewi | earthian: thunderbird |
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| 16:07.46 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: it's not easy installing off a HDD and it's a waste of disk space b/c it'll be outdated tomorrow |
| 16:07.56 | earthian | <Dewi> earthian: I don't run thunderbird in debian though so I don't know the specifics <--- ah well so you dont run a mail client in debian at all... :/ |
| 16:07.57 | DavidProck1981 | ive redone my linux system like 15 times in the last week just to get my video card to work correctly |
| 16:07.58 | earthian | shame |
| 16:08.13 | Dewi | earthian: correct |
| 16:08.17 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: maybe you should try ubuntu or Fedora ? |
| 16:08.24 | DavidProck1981 | i have PLENTY of disc space |
| 16:08.29 | earthian | dont say that you use windowz??! |
| 16:08.49 | Dewi | earthian: as a rule my linux machines don't have monitors |
| 16:08.52 | DavidProck1981 | i want debian it is the only one my drivers will work for the best |
| 16:08.54 | itchi | amphi: When i do an make on it a get the following http://pastebin.ca/245599 and if i force like noted i get the following error http://pastebin.ca/245746 in dmesg when i modprobe ipw3945. Yes i have try the 3 differents version; included the last one |
| 16:08.56 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: as soon as you copy the entire debian repos, it will be outdated and apt will download new software from the web. So what's the point? |
| 16:08.59 | earthian | !nuke Dewi |
| 16:09.01 | earthian | :D |
| 16:09.04 | earthian | lol |
| 16:09.08 | earthian | ok. |
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| 16:09.24 | Dewi | earthian: if it makes you feel any better I use IMAP so the mail is still technically in linux :) |
| 16:09.29 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: i've told you numerous times that you don't need to use that ATI driver |
| 16:09.33 | earthian | kk |
| 16:09.36 | earthian | :) |
| 16:09.41 | abrotman | the ati.com driver |
| 16:09.42 | DavidProck1981 | then i will over wright the debs with the new onew it gets |
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| 16:10.07 | DavidProck1981 | so if i format that is less redlownloading i got to do |
| 16:10.14 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: installing off a DVD or CD is the easiest you will get. Why don't you like it all of a sudden? |
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| 16:10.51 | abrotman | he's pretty good at being persistently difficult |
| 16:11.02 | Dewi | DavidProck1981: we don't want to sit here all night showing you how to install of a HDD or a USB drive just because you suddenly decide you hate optical |
| 16:11.08 | Dewi | s/of/off/ |
| 16:11.51 | abrotman | then don't show him .. |
| 16:11.52 | amphi | itchi: ok, the first one is because you have both in kernel ieee80211 support, and modules built out of the tree, it looks like |
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| 16:12.18 | itchi | amphi: What should i do? |
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| 16:12.25 | DavidProck1981 | AND FOR ONE IM OUT OF A JOB ONLY HAVE $5.SOMETHING IN THE BANK AND I WOULD PREFER TO USE THOSE DVD'S SO I CAN BURN SOME MOVIE'S AND sale then under the table lol |
| 16:12.47 | d0uglas | DavidProck1981: what? |
| 16:12.51 | amphi | itchi: either build a kernel without ieee80211 support and build those mods outside the tree (which is what I did), or try building against the kernel's ieee80211 stuff |
| 16:12.58 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: stop that |
| 16:13.04 | f31n | hey ... i need a command line based torrent client ... does anyone know one in the debian sources? |
| 16:13.15 | DavidProck1981 | ok take off the "AND sale then under the table lol" part |
| 16:13.18 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: use a CDRW |
| 16:13.25 | itchi | amphi: I have not compile my own kernel, i use that 2.6.17-2-686 I not know how i need to rebuild an working kerne |
| 16:13.26 | abrotman | f31n: rtorrent |
| 16:13.28 | itchi | kernel |
| 16:13.32 | DavidProck1981 | i dont have any rw's |
| 16:13.54 | itchi | amphi: Or can i not use these that are in the kernel. |
| 16:14.04 | f31n | abrotman thx |
| 16:14.14 | amphi | itchi: dunno, depends on the version - see the docs for your driver |
| 16:14.32 | DavidProck1981 | i just realized i dont have any cd/dvd RW's |
| 16:14.38 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: do you have a serious question to ask? |
| 16:14.44 | DavidProck1981 | YA |
| 16:14.51 | amphi | itchi: with any luck, the ieee80211 support in that kernel will be suitable for at least ones of the driver versions |
| 16:15.01 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.01 | itchi | amphi: I prefere to use an debian kernel; like i not know how to manage updates on an self cooked oned |
| 16:15.13 | itchi | arg, stupid keyboard |
| 16:15.14 | amphi | itchi: you built and install the out-of-tree ieee80211 modules? |
| 16:15.30 | amphi | *installed |
| 16:15.38 | itchi | amphi: Some time when i press an unbound keyboard, the console are a bit messed up. How come that? |
| 16:15.48 | amphi | itchi: dunno |
| 16:16.00 | itchi | amphi: I have installed that ieee80211 of the website |
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| 16:16.37 | itchi | That console trouble looks only to be have in an screen session |
| 16:16.40 | bariel | !remove kde |
| 16:16.40 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 16:16.53 | abrotman | that'll clear 7GB :) |
| 16:16.56 | bariel | !remove gnome |
| 16:16.56 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:17.16 | f31n | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ... im such a damn noob ,) ... i'm not able to install rtorrent with apt-get -,- grml |
| 16:17.17 | amphi | itchi: yeah, so now things are teh b0rken |
| 16:17.33 | itchi | amphi: So i just need to uninstall that ieee80211 of the website? |
| 16:17.45 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i see that it's broken :/ |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | f31n: which version of debian ? |
| 16:18.04 | f31n | sarge i think |
| 16:18.10 | abrotman | should be in sarge |
| 16:18.13 | bariel | !remove netbios |
| 16:18.17 | amphi | itchi: I would uninstall them (there should be a little script to do that), and then reinstall your kernel package to get the correct modules back, and then try building a drivr |
| 16:18.28 | abrotman | oh .. no it's not |
| 16:18.28 | bariel | !netbios |
| 16:18.28 | dpkg | worst protocol evar! |
| 16:18.33 | abrotman | f31n: find another one :) |
| 16:18.36 | f31n | apt-get tells me that it depens on many libs ... but how can i tell him to install these libs? |
| 16:18.37 | bariel | lol |
| 16:18.38 | amphi | itchi; er, a driver against your kernel's iee80211 stuff |
| 16:18.47 | abrotman | f31n: what does ? |
| 16:18.49 | itchi | amphi: I have not understand |
| 16:18.55 | f31n | apt-get |
| 16:19.05 | pickcoder | how can it be the worst proto ever? there was only a small flaw in the design.. something about share names?? <g> |
| 16:19.20 | abrotman | f31n: paste the error |
| 16:19.29 | bariel | abrotman, i see there is netbios-ssn listening on port 139, how can i disable this? |
| 16:19.41 | abrotman | are you using samba ? |
| 16:19.44 | pickcoder | bariel: are.... |
| 16:19.46 | amphi | itchi: you need to get rid of the ieee80211 modules you installed from sourceforge, and get back the 80211 modules that come with your debian kernel |
| 16:19.46 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 16:19.52 | bariel | abrotman, ah ok, i will remove samba |
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| 16:20.25 | pickcoder | abrotman's too fast on the keys |
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| 16:20.25 | itchi | amphi: Need i to do apt-get remove --purge linux-image.2.6.17-2 ? |
| 16:20.25 | amphi | itchi: aarrrggh, no ;) |
| 16:20.27 | sponge|TWL | hey any screen users here? having a problem with screen not working correctly if anyone can help me out |
| 16:20.35 | DavidProck1981 | i have tons of hdd space, so i want to put the base debian installer on a jump drive ((aka 256 MB usb memory stick)) and have that get the rest off the HDD,,, and there people in here saing it is not worth it well i cant but any more dvd's for a while and im all most out and want to use them for something better for my needs, and any being able to use a sub memory stick will teach me and give me more linux experince,,,, i dont |
| 16:20.40 | bariel | abrotman, and rpcbind? how can i disable that? |
| 16:20.40 | itchi | amphi: How can i get that module back then? I have not been understand ^^^ |
| 16:20.41 | itchi | ow |
| 16:20.47 | abrotman | bariel: kill portmap |
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| 16:21.10 | f31n | abrotman http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/5101/ |
| 16:21.14 | DavidProck1981 | did it all send or did some text get cut off |
| 16:21.15 | bariel | abrotman, if i restart the server, portmap will start again. is there any way to stop it forever? |
| 16:21.21 | amphi | itchi: in the src dir of the ieee80211 stuff you got from sourceforge, there should be some 'remove' or 'uninstall' script, or even 'make uninstall' perhaps |
| 16:21.27 | abrotman | f31n: are you running debian or ubuntu ? |
| 16:21.39 | f31n | debian ... but i know only that nopaste service |
| 16:21.44 | bariel | apt-get --purge remove portmap. is it good? |
| 16:21.55 | abrotman | f31n: paste your sources |
| 16:21.56 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:21.56 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:22.06 | amphi | itchi: perhaps 'remove-old' will do it |
| 16:22.14 | amphi | itchi: in the source dire |
| 16:22.19 | amphi | ctory |
| 16:22.31 | amee2k | one of my parallel ports isn't being detected, but i know the IRQ number and IO base address. how can i manually configure it? |
| 16:22.38 | itchi | amphi: sh ./remove-old did it it's looks |
| 16:22.44 | f31n | abrotman http://channels.debian.net/paste/4433 |
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| 16:23.01 | abrotman | f31n: i need to see your sources :) |
| 16:23.14 | f31n | sources.list? |
| 16:23.16 | f31n | sry |
| 16:23.22 | itchi | amphi: Then? |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:23.38 | amphi | itchi: so now you probably have no ieee80211 modules, as those probably overwrote the originals |
| 16:24.03 | itchi | amphi: So just again make in ipw3945 ? |
| 16:24.04 | amphi | itchi: so now I would apt-get install --reinstall your kernel package to get them back |
| 16:24.11 | f31n | abrotman http://channels.debian.net/paste/4434 |
| 16:24.13 | itchi | okay |
| 16:24.36 | itchi | amphi: Just the image package? |
| 16:24.43 | amphi | itchi: yes |
| 16:24.43 | abrotman | f31n: mixing is bad! |
| 16:24.57 | Ramattack | hi everybody again |
| 16:25.15 | abrotman | f31n: did you do that intentionally ? |
| 16:25.39 | amphi | itchi: once you reinstalled that, try 'modprobe ieee80211'; if it works, lsmod should show two modules lodaded, I think; ieee80211 and ieee80211_crypt |
| 16:25.40 | Ramattack | If set the next flags CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| 16:25.40 | Ramattack | CFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
| 16:25.40 | Ramattack | CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" for cpmpiling do I disable the default debian gcc flags? |
| 16:25.54 | abrotman | what are you compiling .. and why ? |
| 16:26.06 | Ramattack | mysql |
| 16:26.10 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:26.16 | Ramattack | trying versions only |
| 16:26.23 | Ramattack | curiosity |
| 16:26.27 | f31n | there are some other guys workin on that server too ... donno what they did ... but they are used to debian, linux ... but no i can't reach anyone so i have to solfe that for myself |
| 16:26.29 | f31n | ,) |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | f31n: is there a /etc/apt/apt_preferences file ? |
| 16:27.00 | itchi | amphi: He tell me module not found |
| 16:27.14 | DavidProck1981 | I have tons of hdd space, so i want to put the base debian installer on a jump drive |
| 16:27.18 | DavidProck1981 | ((aka 256 MB usb memory stick)) and have that get the rest off the HDD |
| 16:27.18 | f31n | abrotman no |
| 16:27.20 | Ramattack | well so I disable the others default flags if set an export with thay? |
| 16:27.26 | DavidProck1981 | and there people in here saing it is not worth it well i cant buy any more dvd's for a while and im all most out and want to use them for something better for my needs |
| 16:27.30 | itchi | amphi: I remember that i saw ieee80211 in modconf |
| 16:27.35 | f31n | but i '#' the unstable source now |
| 16:27.39 | abrotman | f31n: paste 'apt-cache policy libc6' |
| 16:27.39 | DavidProck1981 | and any way being able to use a sub memory stick will teach me and give me more linux experince |
| 16:27.42 | amphi | itchi: *sigh* |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | f31n: could be too late |
| 16:27.44 | DavidProck1981 | I dont want to have to argue the fact that dvd/cd VS. HDD, i just want to use the sub stick & hdd combo for install |
| 16:28.02 | amphi | itchi: this after reinstalling the kernel package? |
| 16:28.08 | itchi | amphi: Sorry, i mean in module-assistant |
| 16:28.26 | itchi | amphi: It's not in modconf right now, it is not more |
| 16:28.51 | amphi | itchi: who said anything about module-assistant? |
| 16:28.59 | DavidProck1981 | so can any one help with that |
| 16:29.00 | amphi | itchi: can you modprobe the module? |
| 16:29.04 | itchi | amphi: There is only kernel/net/ieee80211/softmac |
| 16:29.06 | Ramattack | could anyone answer me please, I'll thank it a lot please |
| 16:29.12 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: What exactly is it that you're trying to do? Use a bootable USB stick to access files on your hard drive? |
| 16:29.21 | amphi | itchi: ouf |
| 16:29.25 | itchi | amphi: When i modprobe the module he say, module not found |
| 16:29.29 | f31n | abrotman: it says "unable to locate package lib6" |
| 16:29.35 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 16:29.46 | itchi | amphi: Yup, sorry, it's because i have try to look a bit where i could |
| 16:29.48 | bariel | !afpovertcp |
| 16:29.57 | abrotman | f31n: there's a 6 there :) |
| 16:30.01 | DavidProck1981 | i want to install debian etch with out useing any dc/dvd's do u get wehat im saying now |
| 16:30.04 | abrotman | erm .. a c |
| 16:30.05 | abrotman | duh |
| 16:30.18 | amphi | itchi: what does 'modprobe -l | grep ieee' say? |
| 16:30.26 | bariel | hmm, what is actually afpovertcp? i see it is listening on port 548/tcp |
| 16:30.35 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: USB stick is an official supported installation method... see the installation manual |
| 16:30.36 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.54 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: I did it just a few days ago, though I was installing etch, not sarge |
| 16:30.55 | f31n | where should the plicy be? |
| 16:31.01 | action09 | hi, i'm trying to install encfs/fuse but when i do "module-assistant auto-install fuse" it say 'error installing fuse-sources' , i'm in testing and can't find fuse-sources in testing, only in stable, i'm following this tuto (French..) |
| 16:31.05 | action09 | http://www.linux-france.org/~dmentre/doc/fr/install-encfs.fr.txt |
| 16:31.19 | DavidProck1981 | will it get the rest off the HDD so it will be = the the 3 dvd's u got to get |
| 16:31.37 | DavidProck1981 | etch is what i want |
| 16:31.49 | itchi | amphi: That's the output http://pastebin.ca/245911 |
| 16:31.59 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
| 16:32.12 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: No, it won't get anything off the hard drive... you could probably make it do that with some creative hacking, but the normal way to do it uses the USB stick and the network only |
| 16:32.17 | bariel | !tell bariel about afpovertcp |
| 16:32.30 | bariel | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'afpovertcp' |
| 16:32.35 | f31n | abrotman the commandline i need is apt-cache policy lib6 or? |
| 16:32.35 | amphi | itchi: ugh ;) |
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| 16:32.48 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: You copy the bootable image to the USB stick, then you mount it and copy a netinst CD image onto it |
| 16:32.49 | itchi | amphi: What's up? |
| 16:33.02 | amphi | itchi: it's not clear to me at all; that kernel seems to have partial 80211 support... |
| 16:33.03 | itchi | amphi: You see that i try to load the module? |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | f31n: paste 'apt-cache policy libc6' |
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| 16:33.42 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- scroll down to "daily built images" and look for the line that says "other images" |
| 16:33.51 | f31n | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4435 |
| 16:33.56 | amphi | itchi: I have /lib/modules/2.6.11.12/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211.ko and 4 others |
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| 16:33.58 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: (for etch, that is) |
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| 16:34.46 | itchi | amphi: I should not need to reboot or so? Like i have reinstall the kernel |
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| 16:35.21 | amphi | itchi: no, that will do nothing |
| 16:35.27 | f31n | i got it now abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4435 |
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| 16:35.36 | abrotman | f31n: i saw it |
| 16:35.45 | f31n | kay |
| 16:36.01 | sobersabre | hmmm., [B]ebish1 is a bad bot... plz kill it. |
| 16:36.03 | abrotman | f31n: apt-get install bittorrent bittornado .. there should be a non-GUI client in there |
| 16:36.09 | itchi | amphi: So is there no way to solve my trouble? |
| 16:36.10 | Gumboot | OK, so that upgrade was far more destructive than I expected. I'm currently without X-server (having restarted more stuff). What's the issue with xfonts-base, or similar, that's causing the 'fixed' and 'cursor' fonts to go missing? |
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| 16:36.43 | amphi | itchi: I would just build my own kernel, then if things don't work, it's my fault ;) |
| 16:36.46 | DavidProck1981 | will the usb stick use this http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
| 16:36.49 | Gumboot | Wordalert me, by the way, because this 80x25 terminal window is far too pokey for me to be able to see what's going on. |
| 16:37.05 | itchi | amphi: Yeah; but i have not yet the feeling to build on my own an kernel |
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| 16:37.48 | unseensoul | hi |
| 16:37.51 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Yes, boot.img.gz is what you want |
| 16:38.13 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Unzip it and dd it to the usb-stick device |
| 16:38.27 | DavidProck1981 | is that all |
| 16:38.31 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Then mount it and copy an installer iso to it... see the installation manual for details |
| 16:38.57 | itchi | amphi: Should i not make use of module-assistant to build that ieee80211 module? It is still in the list there |
| 16:38.59 | amphi | itchi: yeah; well, I don't really understand what's up there; the errors you originally paste-binned suggested that you had both in-kernel and out-of-tree iee80211 support, but now the kernel doesn't seem to have such support; unless it's compiled in monolithically, perhaps |
| 16:39.06 | DavidProck1981 | as of now in in windows cause the linux messed up on me, my fault |
| 16:39.09 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: If your USB stick is really big you could copy the full CD#1 or even DVD#1 to it, but typically you just copy the netinst or businesscard CD and let it download the rest on-the-fly |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | Gumboot: xingu says your locale works for him |
| 16:39.29 | amphi | itchi: what does 'grep -i ieee /boot/config-$(uname -r)' say? |
| 16:39.36 | f31n | oO? strange ... i installed it now ... but the programs name is neither bi* nor tor* |
| 16:39.40 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: hmm, dunno if you can do that then... I don't think Windows has a way to write stuff raw to USB drives |
| 16:39.46 | f31n | how can i find out what its name? |
| 16:39.50 | abrotman | f31n: bt<tab><tab> |
| 16:39.53 | Gumboot | abrotman: Then that problem may relate to my current problem of all my fonts having died. |
| 16:39.55 | abrotman | f31n: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 16:39.59 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Do you have another Linux system available? |
| 16:40.01 | f31n | aaaaaaaaaaaah rofl |
| 16:40.05 | abrotman | Gumboot: you can ask him for a comparison of some sort |
| 16:40.07 | f31n | bt -,- thx |
| 16:40.12 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea what it'll show, as I built my ieee80211 stuff out of the tree |
| 16:40.14 | oOGneaOo | why is apache being a little bitch in sarge? |
| 16:40.23 | Gumboot | abrotman: This one's more severe, and it may fix that as well. |
| 16:40.36 | abrotman | i ddin't see it |
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| 16:40.56 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: You could use floppies... :-) |
| 16:41.01 | oOGneaOo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.23 | oOGneaOo | wtf is status 10 and how come this stable package is broken |
| 16:41.33 | itchi | amphi: That's is it http://pastebin.ca/245920 |
| 16:41.43 | DavidProck1981 | lol my flopy drive is going bad |
| 16:41.45 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: pick a better nick |
| 16:42.03 | keyboarder | with kernel 2.6.17-2-686 i can't get dma on, on my sata hda, anyone knows how to enable it? |
| 16:42.12 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: afaik, the only types of Debian installation media you can create from Windows are CDs and floppies |
| 16:42.13 | abrotman | sata doesn't do DMA ? |
| 16:42.29 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: USB stick, netboot, and debootstrap all require another Linux system |
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| 16:42.34 | sponge|TWL | anyone here use screen, having a problem with screen not resizing itself when the terminal window shrinks |
| 16:42.36 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 16:42.36 | dpkg | hmm... colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization ... |
| 16:42.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: sure it does |
| 16:42.37 | xingu | Gumboot: sounds like it; I have a ~2mo old system installed from unstable; added laptop task in tasksel, then used apt to install the x11 and gnome virtal packages |
| 16:42.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: i was asking ... |
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| 16:42.56 | amphi | itchi: cool, so the kernel _should_ have those modules; I wonder if they're not reinstalled because apt thinks you don't want them ;) |
| 16:43.06 | keyboarder | abrotman well, i got the error at boot, that dma isn't working, and copying is really slow, like 1mb/sec.. |
| 16:43.06 | xingu | Gumboot: I have however seen something similar with the gtk1-weird-fontness when a dist-upgrade a year or so back took out the gtk1 theme engines |
| 16:43.06 | Gumboot | Actually, it doesn't make any sense to blame xfonts-base, does it. If that had changed recently, then I would be able to find an older version of the package at ftp.debian.org, but I can't. |
| 16:43.10 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: blow me. |
| 16:43.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: According to hdparm, the SATA drives in my new system are using udma6 |
| 16:43.23 | oOGneaOo | !dbugs 383267 |
| 16:43.27 | dpkg | DONE:#383267:I[apache] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:03:04 UTC |
| 16:43.35 | itchi | amphi: So what should i need to do? |
| 16:43.36 | abrotman | ha! |
| 16:43.41 | oOGneaOo | done? bullshit! |
| 16:43.45 | amphi | itchi: you could try 'apt-get -o Pkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install your_kernel_package' |
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| 16:44.07 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea whether that will work in this case |
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| 16:44.18 | Wyzard | keyboarder: What type of SATA controller? |
| 16:44.18 | sly007 | Hello, how do I set the time until DPMS turn my screen black under X? |
| 16:44.37 | amphi | itchi: but in your pastebin you can see all the ieee80211 modules your kernel is supposed to have |
| 16:44.43 | Gumboot | xingu: I can't talk about that right now. I'm struggling to just get a working X server at the moment. |
| 16:44.52 | keyboarder | intel |
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| 16:45.22 | xingu | Gumboot: fair do, but just so you know; current unstable system, en_GB.UTF-8, xmms dialogues are all happy; gdm/gnome desktop if that matters. |
| 16:45.23 | Gumboot | I've hacked enough that the server thinks it can find fixed, but it still can't find cursor. What file will contain the necessary glyphs for that? I'll try adding my own font alias. |
| 16:45.23 | Wyzard | keyboarder: Which revision? (ICH6, ICH7, ICH8, etc.) |
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| 16:45.35 | keyboarder | Intel 82801GBM/GHM ICH7 |
| 16:46.01 | oOGneaOo | Gumboot: is it even finding the mouse? |
| 16:46.10 | Gumboot | I don't see why it shouldn't. |
| 16:46.19 | oOGneaOo | is gpm working? |
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| 16:46.59 | Gumboot | I don't even care about the mouse. I can use X without a mouse. I just want it to stop failing for lack of a single font. |
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| 16:47.29 | Wyzard | keyboarder: That can be used either in ICH5-like mode with the "ata_piix" driver, or in native AHCI mode with the "ahci" driver |
| 16:47.38 | itchi | amphi: He still not find the module |
| 16:47.40 | Malagmyr | How can I make samba ignore the local permissions? I'm sharing something that's owned by root, and I still want to be able to write to it. |
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| 16:47.43 | Wyzard | keyboarder: AHCI is highly preferable... there should be a setting for it in your BIOS |
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| 16:47.54 | keyboarder | Wyzard thx, i try |
| 16:47.56 | oOGneaOo | Gumboot: what version of X, what branch of debian? |
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| 16:48.13 | amphi | itchi: ugh; I guess you could try removing and then installing the kernel package |
| 16:48.28 | Gumboot | oOGneaOo: xorg 7.1.0-6, unstable. |
| 16:48.36 | itchi | amphi: Okay, i should need to reboot between removing and reinstalling? |
| 16:48.40 | keyboarder | Wyzard setting it to ahci should fix the problem? |
| 16:48.51 | xingu | or create new ones |
| 16:48.52 | amphi | itchi: er, no - how will you reboot without a kernel? ;) |
| 16:49.04 | itchi | amphi: Okay, i have an older one |
| 16:49.04 | Wyzard | keyboarder: There's a good chance it will... AHCI is well-supported and can even do things like hotplugging and NCQ |
| 16:49.05 | amphi | itchi: or do you have another? |
| 16:49.51 | keyboarder | hm, nothing like this in the bios... laptop bios, not much function inthere... |
| 16:49.53 | oOGneaOo | Gumboot: works fine here. have you installed the x-window-system-core package? |
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| 16:50.13 | CharminTheMoose | goddamn it,i can't even compile the 0.01 kernel! |
| 16:50.20 | CharminTheMoose | ;) |
| 16:50.45 | Gumboot | oOGneaOo: I'll try it now, but keep in mind that this is the result of an apt-get upgrade. |
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| 16:51.09 | oOGneaOo | Gumboot: how long has it been since the last upgrade? |
| 16:51.15 | Wyzard | keyboarder: However... I have a laptop that has an ICH6 and I'm using it with the "ata_piix" driver (not AHCI) and it does DMA just fine |
| 16:51.19 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, strange because he want now to remove a package ieee80211-modules-x.X |
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| 16:51.28 | amphi | itchi: oh, ok; best would be to boot the older one, remove --purge the current kernel, install it, and reboot, IMHO |
| 16:51.52 | Gumboot | oOGneaOo: A couple of hours. |
| 16:52.20 | Gumboot | And a couple of months before that, I expect. |
| 16:52.24 | oOGneaOo | Gumboot: ah ok |
| 16:52.29 | amphi | itchi: oh, ghod - did you make something with module-assistant as well? |
| 16:52.39 | amphi | itchi: just let it go anyway |
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| 16:53.25 | Gumboot | I really don't need this right now. What I'm _trying_ to do is to stabilise this system so that I can go and see to a failing hard disk in another system. |
| 16:53.36 | itchi | amphi: I have try with modules-assistant but that gave an error |
| 16:53.58 | itchi | amphi: I need to wait now; he is removing the kernel and need quick to reboot |
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| 16:53.58 | Wyzard | keyboarder: Run "hdparm -I /dev/sda" and see look for an asterisk next to a PIO or DMA mode under "Capabilities" |
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| 16:54.11 | keyboarder | well lsmod says, ata_piix loaded |
| 16:54.37 | itchi | amphi: I can not remove this kernel because it is in use?? He complain about it |
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| 16:54.52 | jabka | when i try to compile m560x im getting m560x.c:543: error: unknown field ‘owner’ specified in initializer |
| 16:54.53 | jabka | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.08 | keyboarder | hdparm -d /dev/hda |
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| 16:55.14 | keyboarder | using dma = 0 |
| 16:55.18 | keyboarder | it says... |
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| 16:55.21 | abrotman | jabka: have them fix the code ? |
| 16:55.43 | itchi | amphi: But looks like removed; i rebot |
| 16:55.53 | Wyzard | keyboarder: "hda"? Not "sda"? |
| 16:56.10 | keyboarder | well it detects thisone as hda |
| 16:56.11 | cliffd | anyone know what I need to pass the kernel or what drive I need to load to get it to see my nForce 4 "hardware raid"? thanks. |
| 16:56.17 | keyboarder | but it's a sata drive |
| 16:56.22 | jabka | abrotman:expect that and me learning how to prgram in C (it is a common drover for ali webcam) |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | cliffd: a miracle .. it doesn't do harware raid |
| 16:56.30 | Wyzard | keyboarder: ata_piix and ahci are both libata-based drivers, so they make disks appear as SCSI |
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| 16:56.45 | Wyzard | keyboarder: Whatever your hda is, it's not a SATA drive |
| 16:57.14 | oOGneaOo | keyboarder: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:57.15 | cliffd | abrotman: hence he quotes ;) it pretends to be hardware but you need a special modules to see the meta device... thats correct right? |
| 16:57.27 | diamanu | Hi, I'm trying to install debian on a dell poweredge 1850 but I have some problems during the disk partioning because I think it doesn't know the scsi controller. anyway the module scsi_mod and megaraid are already loaded.. any suggestion? |
| 16:57.38 | abrotman | it doesn't pretend anything .. it's not a hardware raid controller |
| 16:57.39 | keyboarder | Wyzard 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 16:57.50 | oOGneaOo | keyboarder: can you paste the output of dmesg to pastebin? |
| 16:57.53 | oOGneaOo | !pastebin |
| 16:57.53 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 16:58.31 | keyboarder | yep |
| 16:59.04 | cliffd | another question then. being that this is pseudo hardware raid would I be better off mirroring my boot disks with linux raid (md) ? thanks. |
| 16:59.18 | Wyzard | keyboarder: I've used that kernel on my ICH6 laptop with ata_piix and my hard drive is sda, not hda |
| 16:59.40 | Wyzard | keyboarder: Maybe you have a PATA CD-ROM drive or something that's showing up as hda? |
| 16:59.49 | oOGneaOo | Wyzard: calm down, we'll see what it really is soon enough |
| 16:59.55 | itchi | amphi: He no more reboot, he fail on loading the modules. I think i have remove a bit to many of theses |
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| 17:00.16 | Malagmyr | How can I get rsync to not touch timestamps? I got it to ignore them, using --size-only, but it still tries to update the timestamps on my mounted samba share, which it doesn't have access to do, generating a lot of error messages. |
| 17:00.35 | oOGneaOo | Malagmyr: man rsync <-- yes, there is an option in there |
| 17:00.47 | Malagmyr | I'll rtfm more closely, then |
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| 17:00.58 | Malagmyr | Didn't find it in my first pass. Good to know it's tehre. |
| 17:01.00 | sanmarcos | how can I sync to ntp NOW ? |
| 17:01.04 | xingu | Wyzard: if keyboarder has somehow loaded the old pata piix driver first, this result is possible; either way dmesg will show what's going on as well as the device ident string |
| 17:01.07 | abrotman | sanmarcos: ntpdate |
| 17:01.15 | oOGneaOo | sanmarcos: /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart |
| 17:01.21 | sanmarcos | ok, thanks |
| 17:01.26 | pickcoder | ntpdate isn't a service |
| 17:01.28 | oOGneaOo | it'll sync as soon as you hit 'enter' |
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| 17:01.41 | oOGneaOo | pickcoder: neither is your mom |
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| 17:01.49 | amphi | itchi: wtf? |
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| 17:02.13 | keyboarder | i just install debian sarge, upgraded to testing, and changed to 2.6.17 |
| 17:02.13 | Wyzard | xingu: "piix" supports SATA drives too? |
| 17:02.19 | amphi | itchi: what did you do? it doesn't need ieee80211 to boot in any case |
| 17:02.32 | oOGneaOo | keyboarder: still waiting for the dmesg output.... |
| 17:02.34 | keyboarder | http://pastebin.ca/245933 |
| 17:02.36 | xingu | Wyzard: ich7 works in piix pata compatibility mode, it's what ata_piix is too |
| 17:02.45 | d0uglas | how can i get gnome-terminal configged to use firefox? gives me an error when i open a url |
| 17:02.51 | Gumboot | Could somebody check their /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir for some mention of cursor.pcf.gz ? |
| 17:02.57 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: ntpdate <ntp server> |
| 17:03.02 | Gumboot | For some reason that file on my system is absent, and I don't really believe that it should be. |
| 17:03.08 | pickcoder | or restart ntp-server / ntpd |
| 17:03.14 | d0uglas | oh maybe it won't work because i'm in kde |
| 17:03.19 | itchi | amphi: I not know, going try to fix or maybe reinstall, like it's an brand new install of some days ago |
| 17:03.31 | Wyzard | xingu: ok, so piix is an ide-based (rather than libata/scsi-based) driver that supports basically the same hardware that ata_piix does? |
| 17:03.31 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: in order to use ntpdate, you must stop your ntp server first. |
| 17:03.44 | xingu | Wyzard: exactly |
| 17:04.02 | Wyzard | xingu: ok, that's good to know... I've only ever used ata_piix and ahci |
| 17:04.05 | oOGneaOo | keyboarder: so what make/model is this laptop? |
| 17:04.13 | keyboarder | lenovo 3000 n100 |
| 17:04.31 | Gumboot | Eek! They've moved! They've moved a very long way away. What's all this crap that's been left lying around that I'm looking at, then? |
| 17:04.56 | amphi | itchi: it's hard to understand - perhaps it would be quickest to reinstall, and do less blundering ;) |
| 17:05.24 | amphi | itchi: modprobe -l still doesn't show the ieee80211 modules? |
| 17:05.56 | xingu | Wyzard: it'd be difficult to achieve that result though without trying, the pci-ids bind ich7 to ata_piix |
| 17:06.13 | amphi | itchi: also, what exactly did you just do? reboot the old kernel. apt-get remove --purge this_kernel, reinstall it, and reboot? |
| 17:06.24 | oOGneaOo | keyboarder: please check this site out: http://tuxmobil.org/lenovo.html |
| 17:06.42 | oOGneaOo | keyboarder: not one of them is a default debian install, but your model is over-covered :) |
| 17:06.54 | xingu | Gumboot: this starts to sound like you've just done an impromptu xfree86->xorg upgrade |
| 17:07.08 | Gumboot | I did that ages ago. |
| 17:07.24 | Gumboot | It seems odd that I'm suffering for it only now. |
| 17:07.29 | xingu | Gumboot: /usr/X11R6 went the way of the dodo a while ago too |
| 17:07.33 | Wyzard | keyboarder: http://www.thinkwiki.org/ is a useful resource too |
| 17:07.50 | Gumboot | xingu: Yeah, but it's got bits and pieces lying about in there, still. |
| 17:08.04 | Gumboot | And there has clearly been a fresh set of files deleted from there quite recently. |
| 17:08.16 | xingu | Gumboot: sounds likely; I think dpkg had a hint for xorg xfonts |
| 17:08.22 | Gumboot | Because last time I restarted my X server, I _could_ actually restart my X server, and that was well after my last upgrade. |
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| 17:08.31 | xingu | Gumboot: not au fait with the magic-fu needed to retrieve it though |
| 17:08.50 | Gumboot | Hopefully this fixes xmms, too. |
| 17:09.01 | xingu | Gumboot: so probable failure mode is - new package has conflict-"upgraded" something critical to you into lost+found-land |
| 17:09.05 | Wyzard | oOGneaOo: Interestingly, that site has a link to a sale of a ThinkPad Z60m type 2529 for around $1100... that's only $200 less than I bought mine for last year, and I thought the Z60 series has been retired in favor of the Z61 |
| 17:09.09 | xingu | Gumboot: ... is my guess anyway |
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| 17:10.31 | Gumboot | I don't like to think about it. Now I just want to clean the cruft out and complete the transition. |
| 17:10.34 | Gumboot | But not today... |
| 17:10.58 | itchi | amphi: I have purge the current image kernel, The old these of the etch installer was still installed but looks not more to work |
| 17:11.17 | itchi | amphi: I have take the cd and i try the gui installer now ;-P |
| 17:11.53 | Gumboot | Whoa! All my fonts are tiny! |
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| 17:12.08 | Gumboot | OK, I can live with this. They were too big anyway. |
| 17:12.09 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea what you are doing ;) removing one kernel package should not affect another in any way |
| 17:12.10 | d0uglas | All right now i asked this in #kde and #gnome but they're asleep, so cut me some slack: I'm looking for a tabbable console xterm thingy that'll let me click on urls. Tried gnome-terminal but it wont fire up a browser, i guess that's because it prefers to be in gnome .. anything for kde? |
| 17:12.21 | Gumboot | Oh, and yes. This fixes xmms. |
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| 17:12.49 | cahoot | konsole doesn't do what you want? |
| 17:13.16 | d0uglas | nope.. let me try again |
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| 17:14.21 | xingu | Gumboot: "tiny" might be a -dpi thing |
| 17:14.25 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i was thinking also. Or maybe was that other no more working after the install?? It's that default kernel of the Etch build |
| 17:14.32 | CharminTheMoose | to compile a kernel does the source HAVE to be in /usr/src? |
| 17:14.36 | linuxwolf | hi |
| 17:14.46 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: nope |
| 17:14.47 | linuxwolf | i have a sony vaio |
| 17:14.54 | abrotman | no |
| 17:14.55 | linuxwolf | vgn-517s |
| 17:14.59 | amphi | itchi: no idea |
| 17:15.04 | CharminTheMoose | coolies |
| 17:15.10 | xingu | Gumboot: x11r7 is a bit "better" at sensing real dpi from vbe; r6 was a bit bogus at that, and some deuglification faq's back in the day got you to override this in variously wrong ways |
| 17:15.22 | linuxwolf | i download the first cd of etch (testing) |
| 17:15.38 | Gumboot | xingu: Or it might just be in my head, because I've been staring at an 80x25 console on a 24" monitor for the last couple of hours. |
| 17:15.39 | linuxwolf | but don't recognise the hard disk |
| 17:15.57 | linuxwolf | and it say that the cd is bad |
| 17:16.07 | linuxwolf | i will download it again |
| 17:16.09 | xingu | Gumboot: I'd recommend - a beer; if it's still small when you wake up - check dpi |
| 17:16.23 | xingu | Gumboot: but maybe go fix that failed volume first. :) |
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| 17:16.34 | linuxwolf | in theory etch should recognise a hard disk of one year ago no ? |
| 17:16.39 | Gumboot | Crap. It's dark outside. |
| 17:16.40 | itchi | amphi: It's near to be are reinstalled ;-) |
| 17:16.50 | linuxwolf | the sony i bougth it a year ago |
| 17:17.12 | abrotman | linuxwolf: burn slower |
| 17:17.57 | itchi | Realy nice the gui installer. hopes it become fast stable |
| 17:18.45 | linuxwolf | ok |
| 17:18.51 | d0uglas | cahoot: no, konsole does not appear to do the url thing |
| 17:18.58 | d0uglas | can't find anything in preferences |
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| 17:19.11 | linuxwolf | and the hard disk should be detected ok no ? |
| 17:19.15 | abrotman | d0uglas: gnome-terminal |
| 17:19.34 | CharminTheMoose | damn,i can't even compile a 2.0 kernel....... |
| 17:19.38 | d0uglas | abrotman: gnome-termianl wont fire up a browser, gives me some error.. |
| 17:19.48 | d0uglas | maybe i have to be in gnome for that |
| 17:19.48 | cahoot | d0uglas: seems it can wget the url if one drags it into konsole - but seemingly not 'open' it |
| 17:20.04 | abrotman | because it's probably trying ot launch a browser you don't have .. run gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 17:20.06 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: solar designer was maintaining a 2.0 tree for a while |
| 17:20.30 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: the k.o trees need a circa libc4/5 transition build environment |
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| 17:21.54 | linuxwolf | how many cds are need to install ubuntu (the minimum) |
| 17:22.08 | ofer0 | linuxwolf, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 17:22.21 | linuxwolf | debian |
| 17:22.24 | therealbigusdick | !ubuntu |
| 17:22.24 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 17:22.29 | linuxwolf | it was a mistake |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | linuxwolf: ask #ubuntu .. we don't know anything about ubuntu |
| 17:22.37 | therealbigusdick | no it wasn't |
| 17:22.52 | ofer0 | abrotman, we do know one or two things about ubuntu, we just don't discuss it in #debian |
| 17:22.53 | xingu | linuxwolf: none, you can netboot and netinstall |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | linuxwolf: what is the name of hte ISO you're trying to burn ? |
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| 17:23.02 | oOGneaOo | ah HA! |
| 17:23.03 | oOGneaOo | Syntax error on line 238 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
| 17:23.04 | oOGneaOo | The port number "/var/www" is outside the appropriate range (i.e., 1..65535). |
| 17:23.10 | Wyzard | lol |
| 17:23.16 | therealbigusdick | pfff |
| 17:23.18 | linuxwolf | debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 17:23.31 | ofer0 | oOGneaOo, yeah, using /var/www as a port can lead to unexpected results. |
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| 17:23.46 | amphi | ofer0: heh |
| 17:23.47 | oOGneaOo | ofer0: and this is in the stable version of apache. |
| 17:24.00 | CharminTheMoose | what can happen if you use a kernel with just the defaults in it? |
| 17:24.13 | oOGneaOo | CharminTheMoose: it can run just fine |
| 17:24.19 | CharminTheMoose | oh |
| 17:24.22 | xingu | ofer0: if it were a regular file and you were using AF_UNIX... |
| 17:24.22 | oOGneaOo | :) |
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| 17:24.36 | CharminTheMoose | so it isn't totally necessary to configure the ENTIRETY of the .config script? |
| 17:24.47 | cahoot | don't count on it |
| 17:24.53 | d0uglas | abrotman: did what you said, selectded the right browser, no change ... tried other browsers, .. nothing. |
| 17:25.03 | oOGneaOo | well, i'll go through the entire thing, but that's just me |
| 17:25.06 | d0uglas | oh maybe i gotta restart this |
| 17:25.06 | abrotman | d0uglas: works for me |
| 17:25.11 | d0uglas | abrotman: on kde? |
| 17:25.36 | CharminTheMoose | yeah,i'm probably just a lazy motherf-er.. |
| 17:25.51 | xingu | oh how cool, manpages even has unix(7) these days |
| 17:25.57 | abrotman | d0uglas: no .. on gnome .. |
| 17:26.00 | d0uglas | CharminTheMoose: thank you for --'ing out the naughty letters, it really makes a difference ;P |
| 17:26.07 | d0uglas | abrotman: well that could be my problem |
| 17:26.09 | abrotman | d0uglas: run it from a strace . see what it's trying to do |
| 17:26.14 | d0uglas | ok |
| 17:26.24 | CharminTheMoose | yay for sarcasm! |
| 17:26.44 | ofer0 | xingu, even if you use AF_UNIX, and /var/www was a regular file, it is still unaccepted to relate it as a port |
| 17:27.11 | d0uglas | !sarcasm |
| 17:27.11 | dpkg | somebody said sarcasm was when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
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| 17:27.22 | d0uglas | that's a good one |
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| 17:28.00 | Marupa | Hi, uh...got a little bit of a puzzler. |
| 17:28.07 | muh2000 | is it good to upgrade from stable to testing (debian x86_64 ) ? |
| 17:28.21 | xingu | ofer0: dunno about that, you configure the apache port directive to create a listening socket; if you assume that your address family is UNIX, then using a path rather than a port number is semantically correct |
| 17:28.34 | h3sp4wn | muh2000: Are you running a 32 bit stable ? |
| 17:28.38 | linuxwolf | as in a month etch should be stable (as i have read ) , it is better to use testing no ? |
| 17:28.40 | xingu | anyway, it's all pretty academic, cause last I checked apache wasn't that advanced |
| 17:28.46 | bariel | in which file is the domain name saved? |
| 17:28.49 | abrotman | linuxwolf: not likely |
| 17:29.04 | Marupa | when trying to install new programs that use a text gui, I get jumbled words, lots of ascii characters (brick, pipes, etc), wondering what might have happened to screw it up, and how to fix it. |
| 17:29.05 | muh2000 | h3sp4wn: as i said: x86_64 -> 64 BIT |
| 17:29.07 | Wyzard | etch isn't likely to be released next month? |
| 17:29.24 | h3sp4wn | muh2000: Well there was not an officially released version of sarge for 64 bit |
| 17:29.25 | pumpkin0 | linuxwolf: since sid will be named testing in a month and sid crashed on me this morning: no. |
| 17:29.26 | linuxwolf | sarge r4 should be able to detect all ok , althougth my laptop only is one year old ? |
| 17:29.43 | abrotman | i bet it won't |
| 17:29.54 | Wyzard | pumpkin0: no, sid will never be named testing |
| 17:30.09 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 17:30.14 | Wyzard | pumpkin0: sid is always unstable... when etch is released, some other name will be chosen for the next release and that'll be called testing |
| 17:30.31 | muh2000 | h3sp4wn: that means for me..... ? well i know that the 64 bit version is not official..... but is the testing version of the 64 bit stuff working ?! |
| 17:30.54 | therealbigusdick | muh2000, sure, I am running debian unstable 64 bits and works perfectly. testing should not be any problem for you |
| 17:30.57 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: OK, so there will be some renaming ... but the sid-packages will form the new testing ... |
| 17:30.59 | Wyzard | muh2000: I installed x86_64 etch (direct install, not upgrade from sarge) on a new box a few days ago and it seems to work fine so far |
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| 17:31.15 | h3sp4wn | muh2000: No guarantees of anything - due to the 64 bit version being unofficial |
| 17:31.22 | linuxwolf | what is better to donwload (for hardware recognition , almost) ? |
| 17:31.25 | Wyzard | muh2000: but I haven't installed much beyond the base system yet... no X or anything |
| 17:31.30 | pumpkin0 | linuxwolf: etch. |
| 17:31.42 | sanmarcos | what packages do I need for ntp? currently I have ii ntp ntp-server ntp-simple and ntpdate. I understand all of them except ntp-server, which has an rdepends on ntp-simple. Is this correct? I just want to get a syncrhonized date, not run a server |
| 17:32.00 | oOGneaOo | sanmarcos: just ntpdate |
| 17:32.06 | muh2000 | Wyzard: i installed the 64bit stuff directly too. it is for my homeserver... x is only running because vmware needs it (and maybe ltsp) |
| 17:32.07 | therealbigusdick | sanmarcos, chrony should suffice no? |
| 17:32.08 | sanmarcos | oOGneaOo: thanks |
| 17:32.09 | h3sp4wn | sanmarcos: You can use rdate instead also |
| 17:32.11 | CharminTheMoose | isnt' the best arch to have in relation to support by debian packages x86? |
| 17:32.12 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: The NTP "server" daemon is the preferred thing to run |
| 17:32.14 | oOGneaOo | sanmarcos: and then run /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart whenever |
| 17:32.25 | linuxwolf | and testing is more stable than sid , so is no problem |
| 17:32.25 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: ntpdate > rdate |
| 17:32.28 | xingu | ntpdate won't set the kernel PLL |
| 17:32.37 | oOGneaOo | linuxwolf: not really |
| 17:32.40 | Marupa | Can anyone help, or do you need a snippet of output? |
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| 17:32.48 | Wyzard | muh2000: VMware Server is free (as in beer) and can run headless... you can run the client on another machine and view your VMs over the network |
| 17:32.50 | therealbigusdick | sanmarcos, I think you only need chrony, nothing else |
| 17:32.51 | pumpkin0 | linuxwolf: right. depending on the HW etch works wonders on Laptops. |
| 17:32.52 | amphi | itchi: ? |
| 17:33.00 | xingu | my guess would be that ntp-server has all the nonip drivers |
| 17:33.05 | sanmarcos | therealbigusdick: ? |
| 17:33.06 | linuxwolf | ok |
| 17:33.06 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: ntpdate is a one-shot thing -- set the time once and then exit, and don't touch the time again until next time it's run |
| 17:33.07 | mastroDani | i all, i have this machine: Packard Bell AMD K6 500 MHz, 120 MB Ram, Chipset SiS 530. I've installed Debian Etch from a net-install CD. the installation was "minimal" and with the option "kernel24"... no problem with the 2.4 kernel. but now i need udev and hal so i installed a linux-image-2.6 from the repository, after the reboot the keyboard start to behave in a strange way when on the X server, when i press a key |
| 17:33.07 | mastroDani | it randomly repeat that key more and more time (example i push "h" and i see "hh" or "hhh" or "hhhhhhhhh....and don't stop.....hhhhhhhh" ecc..). i've removed the 2.6 kernel, removed udev and reinstalled hotplug. then i've tried to get from repository an image of the 2.6 kernel and compile it manually. i rebooted installed udev, rebooted again.. all works like a charm.. so i installed "hal" rebooted and i found again |
| 17:33.08 | muh2000 | therealbigusdick also for server duty ? like samba etc? |
| 17:33.08 | mastroDani | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.40 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: Why ? don't see how it would matter at all unless your computer keeps poor time |
| 17:33.40 | pumpkin0 | !tell Marupa about ask |
| 17:33.45 | pumpkin0 | !tell Marupa about anyone |
| 17:33.55 | therealbigusdick | muh2000, the original question explictly stated the following: "I just want to get a syncrhonized date, not run a server" |
| 17:33.58 | adrakoa | if a package (gaim for example) has a bug, i should report it to ? debian manteiner : project? |
| 17:34.00 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: The NTP daemon runs continously and manages the clock closely... it even figures out if your machine's hardware clock runs slightly too fast or too slow and tweaks it so it runs at the right speed, to avoid clock drifting |
| 17:34.03 | abrotman | pumpkin0: marupa did ask |
| 17:34.05 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: so you've only used rdate? |
| 17:34.09 | therealbigusdick | so yes, to get a synchronized date chrony is sufficient |
| 17:34.10 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: so for accuracy, ntpd is preferable |
| 17:34.12 | muh2000 | Wyzard: i know. but the problem is the vmware NEEDS a X server running. i dont know why but it didnt work without it... |
| 17:34.21 | Wyzard | muh2000: You're using VMware Workstation |
| 17:34.24 | abrotman | Marupa: we'd need a sample |
| 17:34.25 | CharminTheMoose | dang. |
| 17:34.29 | Wyzard | muh2000: VMware *Server* can run headless |
| 17:34.37 | xingu | Wyzard: more to the point, it also set the kernel PLL so that your tick has half a chance of staying in phase with everybody else's |
| 17:34.38 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: I dont care for such accuracy |
| 17:34.58 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: I have used an ntp server |
| 17:35.04 | Marupa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.10 | Marupa | that's the kind of output I get. |
| 17:35.21 | abrotman | Marupa: i blame the cat |
| 17:35.24 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: But seen as they are both 1 off things to run I don't see how it makes any difference whatsoever |
| 17:35.25 | therealbigusdick | hahaha |
| 17:35.32 | xingu | sanmarcos: the problem is precision, and you do care about that even if you don't |
| 17:35.34 | Wyzard | muh2000: VMware Workstation also costs $200, and VMware Server costs $0 :-) |
| 17:35.37 | mastroDani | sorry for the big post... next time better if i use a pastebin |
| 17:35.39 | Marupa | Any suggestions on how to fix it? |
| 17:35.48 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: then you didn't read what Wyzard said |
| 17:35.54 | sanmarcos | xingu: right, do you read minds?. I dont give a fuck, I just need it for if-up.d and thats it |
| 17:36.01 | abrotman | Marupa: paste a larger chunk |
| 17:36.03 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:36.06 | muh2000 | Wyzard i am using the beta server of vmware and about a year ago the vmserver needed the x -> i dont know why but it is even written in the howto... :) (maybe they changed it but it is as i said and i didnt paid 200 bucks. i just signed in and downloaded the stuff.... :) ) |
| 17:36.15 | therealbigusdick | chrony has enough precision to be used to synchronize the PC date of a user |
| 17:36.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: hve you mucked with xen much ? |
| 17:36.29 | therealbigusdick | date and time |
| 17:36.36 | oOGneaOo | i've used chrony, it sucks ass |
| 17:36.38 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: He was taking about the ntp server not ntpdate |
| 17:36.41 | uroboros | Hello. |
| 17:36.45 | muh2000 | [qoute]therealbigusdick muh2000, the original question explictly stated the following: "I just want to get a syncrhonized date, not run a server""[/quoute] i dont get it. :( |
| 17:36.45 | Wyzard | muh2000: If you're using a beta of VMware Servrer, you should update... it was released months ago |
| 17:36.47 | therealbigusdick | oOGneaOo, no it doesn't. It works perfectly |
| 17:37.00 | therealbigusdick | muh2000, I am sorry to hear that |
| 17:37.08 | muh2000 | Wyzard good to know thnx :) |
| 17:37.12 | Marupa | We+c~+e +~ +¦e Ze+d O-+?+?=e- 3?¦?2 I+_+¦++¦+?~+! F~- +~-e ?+°~-+¦+?~+ -e±¦-d?+± +¦?_ --~ced¦-e? -+e¦_e _ee +¦e Ze+d O-+?+?=e- I+_+¦++¦+?~+ G¦?de? |
| 17:37.16 | abrotman | muh2000: use ntpdate .. should be sufficient |
| 17:37.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: I set up a test system with it once, and was impressed with how it's packaged in Debian, but I haven't really done anything serious with it |
| 17:37.26 | abrotman | Marupa: and how do you make that happen? |
| 17:37.30 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: no, he wasn't. the original question was what should be used to syncronize the time/date, and out of the list, ntpdate was the answer. |
| 17:37.34 | mastroDani | !paster |
| 17:37.34 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:37.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: hrm .. okay |
| 17:37.54 | muh2000 | abrotman i dont want to use a time server client. (it is running though.... and working) |
| 17:37.55 | oOGneaOo | Marupa: what is that from again? |
| 17:38.06 | xingu | ntpdate will not synchronise your date or your time |
| 17:38.09 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: duh .. it's geekcode! |
| 17:38.12 | uroboros | I've got nicely working app running via xinetd that can be telneted to. It is written in BASH. If I quit from with sequence <Ctrl-A ] Ctrl-D> (from the telnet client) it stays hanging on the remote system |
| 17:38.13 | abrotman | xingu: does on my box |
| 17:38.16 | uroboros | :( |
| 17:38.17 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: As a 1 shot thing it makes no difference |
| 17:38.18 | xingu | it will give you approximately the same numbered seconds as someone else |
| 17:38.19 | uroboros | Dunno why. |
| 17:38.20 | uroboros | Can anyone help me? |
| 17:38.23 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: Which is my point |
| 17:38.25 | xingu | but there's zero synchronisation there |
| 17:38.30 | abrotman | xingu: it syncs it to something else |
| 17:38.32 | oOGneaOo | xingu: please, lay off the crack |
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| 17:38.58 | Marupa | well, currently trying to install Zend. |
| 17:39.04 | uroboros | Does telnet send any signal to the remote side? |
| 17:39.06 | Marupa | but it does it on dpkg-reconfigures and stuff. |
| 17:39.18 | muh2000 | it is just about wheather it is good to switch from 64bit stable to 64bit testing ... |
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| 17:39.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: The principle is pretty cool, but there are a whole bunch of settings and a few config files, and no intuitive UI like VMware has, so I need to do some more reading about it before I try using it for real stuff |
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| 17:39.33 | xingu | you can lable your seconds however you want, but if you want the same number of ticks within one as everybody else, you need them synchronised, and you need the in-kernel pll to be locked on something a little less wobbly than your RTC at boot |
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| 17:40.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm looking for something i can use to host a few dozen VMs (win32) .. and have people connect to them via VNC and then use those to connect elsewhere via VPN .. and many at once |
| 17:40.14 | xingu | particularly on anything that runs with acpi active |
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| 17:40.24 | keyboarder | how can i tell the kernel, that it should not load ide_generic? |
| 17:40.29 | therealbigusdick | xingu, so what? no user which just wants to synchronize the clock of his PC would pay attention for such minimal innacuracies |
| 17:40.30 | Wyzard | uroboros: It opens a TCP connection to the remote server... I'd say that counts as a "signal" |
| 17:40.34 | keyboarder | nor anything ide |
| 17:40.43 | mastroDani | guys, sorry for the long post before.. you can find all my description here: http://pastebin.com/821944 can you help me please? |
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| 17:40.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, to run Windows in Xen you need a processor with VT support |
| 17:41.01 | muh2000 | well i dont know what your guys man page says about ntpdate but mine says it is for syncing the time and i didnt ask for that.... (that is configured also and works...) |
| 17:41.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: intel 920 do ? |
| 17:41.15 | muh2000 | core 2 duo does |
| 17:41.21 | uroboros | Wyzard: and when ending the connection? I mean if it does send something like SIGTERM to the remote side... |
| 17:41.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: Core 2 Duo is the first Intel processor that supports it |
| 17:41.39 | petemc | abrotman: dell poweredge 1950s and 2950s do |
| 17:41.43 | xingu | therealbigusdick: don't conflate accuracy with precision, they're discrete concepts |
| 17:41.46 | oOGneaOo | man, this httpd.conf is *FUCKED* |
| 17:41.52 | abrotman | petemc: not funny! |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: those are probably just core duo |
| 17:42.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: and on the AMD side, whatever the name of the chip was that they rolled out along with the AM2 socket |
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| 17:42.18 | abrotman | guess i'll probably have to go with vmware .. ick |
| 17:42.19 | Marupa | suggestions to fix this? |
| 17:42.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: I have a Core2Duo box now, so I hope to try that out sometime, but I haven't yet |
| 17:42.28 | uroboros | Wyzard: the problem is how to handle situation in which telnet client ends the connection. I need to handle it on the remote server app. |
| 17:42.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: VMware Server works fine though |
| 17:42.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: it makes me feel dirty! |
| 17:42.55 | oOGneaOo | Port /var/www |
| 17:43.01 | oOGneaOo | ServerAdmin localhost |
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| 17:43.12 | oOGneaOo | ServerName ok |
| 17:43.19 | oOGneaOo | DocumentRoot webmaster |
| 17:43.31 | jelly-home | oOGneaOo: a script gone bad? :-) |
| 17:43.32 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: someone scrambled your conf file |
| 17:43.39 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: submit a bug! |
| 17:43.43 | Wyzard | uroboros: I believe the remote session gets SIGHUP when the telnet connection is closed |
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| 17:43.54 | cahoot | mastroDani: can try kbdrate - see its man page |
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| 17:44.13 | therealbigusdick | (I doubt the apache maintainers let such a bug (port=www...) in the stable release of the package) |
| 17:44.20 | mastroDani | cahoot: thank you will search |
| 17:44.42 | muh2000 | the whole stable testing unstable thing in the sources.list. -> can i just change that entry "stable" into "testing" and after that apt-get update -> apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:44.48 | oOGneaOo | therealbigusdick: and yet, it happened. try it yourself. |
| 17:44.55 | Wyzard | muh2000: yep |
| 17:45.09 | muh2000 | k thnx :) |
| 17:45.14 | therealbigusdick | oOGneaOo, if it is so (I don't have a debian stable box at hand) fill a bug. ASAP. |
| 17:45.18 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: yeah, you just can't change it back to stable |
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| 17:45.38 | oOGneaOo | therealbigusdick: fuck no, the bug needs to be reproducable |
| 17:45.46 | oOGneaOo | reproducible |
| 17:45.50 | muh2000 | hmmm a new installation wouldnt be that hurtfull :) |
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| 17:46.00 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: how'd you do that? going from sarge to etch ? |
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| 17:46.19 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: nope, apt-get install apache <- in sarge |
| 17:46.26 | cahoot | mastroDani: if you use gnome or kde there are configuration apps to use |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | apache1 or 2 ? |
| 17:46.30 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: this is for a production server that i'm setting up |
| 17:46.33 | uroboros | Wyzard: thanks, will try to trap... |
| 17:46.34 | EmleyMoor | I am trying to compile zaptel on a stable machine using backports |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | cahoot: configuration of WHAT ? |
| 17:46.39 | oOGneaOo | i said apache, not apache2 |
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| 17:47.00 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: hrm .. i think i only have one apache1 box at work ..a nd it didn't do that |
| 17:47.00 | EmleyMoor | The make install is failing on doc/ztcfg.8 |
| 17:47.05 | cahoot | abrotman: kdb repeat rate |
| 17:47.09 | cahoot | kbd |
| 17:47.09 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: how long ago was this? |
| 17:47.18 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: probably r0 |
| 17:47.26 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: then it doesn't count :P |
| 17:47.28 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: is the conf file in the package or generated ? |
| 17:47.40 | mastroDani | cahoot: i use fluxbox, anyway the tool didn't solved.. this problem is ONLY under X.. on the console i have no problem |
| 17:47.44 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: generated, i believe |
| 17:47.49 | Marupa | well, what could possibly be causing the wrong characters to be displayed? |
| 17:47.49 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: dpkg -l apache-common |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | which version |
| 17:48.02 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: because the postinst generates it |
| 17:48.03 | Marupa | misconfigured sshd? |
| 17:48.19 | oOGneaOo | 1.3.33-6sarge3 |
| 17:48.33 | oOGneaOo | someone claimed that 1.3.34 was out, but i don't see it anywhere |
| 17:48.40 | oOGneaOo | and this was back in, oh, august |
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| 17:48.48 | oOGneaOo | and it's not in backports |
| 17:49.00 | oOGneaOo | it's on the stable branch itself |
| 17:49.04 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: not in the postinst |
| 17:49.30 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: i read it - it's a bashscript that calls perl all over the place |
| 17:50.14 | uroboros | Wyzard: bye(){ exit 1; }; trap bye 1; -- doesn't work :( |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: ah . the postinst.common |
| 17:50.59 | webfreak | abrotman: just don't go plopping it on people's shoulders, k? |
| 17:51.00 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: exactly. |
| 17:51.01 | abrotman | webfreak: kay |
| 17:51.03 | mastroDani | cahoot: there is a service hal-addon-keyboard (listening on /dev/input/event0 or something like this) that i think is the problem |
| 17:51.15 | mastroDani | cahoot: but it shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:51.22 | webfreak | oOGneaOo: for a sec i thought all these people dropped into #gah somehow |
| 17:51.27 | webfreak | oOGneaOo: then i realized i was actually in #debian |
| 17:51.40 | oOGneaOo | webfreak: what did i tell you about smoking crack? |
| 17:51.43 | Wyzard | hmm... install nVIdia beta driver from experimental on the new box now, or wait for the recently-released final version to be packaged? :-/ |
| 17:51.53 | webfreak | oOGneaOo: i think that was just the second hand smoke coming from you |
| 17:51.56 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... now I've found the right way, this should be better |
| 17:51.58 | webfreak | oOGneaOo: ;) |
| 17:52.11 | oOGneaOo | webfreak: you are SO offtopic buddy :) |
| 17:52.17 | webfreak | oOGneaOo: i know, sorry :) |
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| 17:52.59 | Marupa | well, I'm not finding any way to fix it, if anyone could PM me any sort of fix I'd be greatful. x.x |
| 17:53.07 | therealbigusdick | xchat doesn't allow to connect to two servers at the same time isn't it? |
| 17:53.13 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 17:53.14 | Marupa | it does. |
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| 17:53.17 | abrotman | hit ctrl-t |
| 17:53.31 | abrotman | open another server tab |
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| 17:53.44 | abrotman | Marupa: echo $TERM .. waht does it say ? |
| 17:53.56 | Marupa | xterm |
| 17:53.56 | therealbigusdick | abrotman, I see it.. ok and now xchat->network list will work on that tab right? |
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| 17:54.16 | abrotman | therealbigusdick: i just hit ctrl-t,ctrl-s |
| 17:54.36 | therealbigusdick | cool nice feature |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | or ctrl-t and /server <blah> |
| 17:55.03 | webfreak | yes, shortcut keys are nice... |
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| 17:57.38 | Marupa | any ideas, abrotman? |
| 17:58.28 | abrotman | Marupa: and what command do you type to make tha thappen ? |
| 17:59.03 | Marupa | ./install.sh |
| 17:59.12 | abrotman | of what ? |
| 17:59.16 | abrotman | zend ? |
| 17:59.24 | abrotman | does it happen any other time ? |
| 17:59.25 | Marupa | but any text-gui dpkg does the same thing. |
| 17:59.38 | therealbigusdick | hmmm xevil doesn't has sound on per default |
| 17:59.41 | uroboros | Wyzard: so, it seems it is not SIGHUP. Another ideas? I think there is perhaps no way how to distinquish what happened ont the cliend side from the server. |
| 17:59.43 | therealbigusdick | doesn't have |
| 17:59.58 | therealbigusdick | man xevil |
| 18:00.02 | cahoot | Marupa: text-gui - ncurses or what? |
| 18:00.05 | therealbigusdick | No manual entry for xevil |
| 18:00.11 | therealbigusdick | :( |
| 18:00.19 | uroboros | Wyzard: the worst is that there is no notes about signals in man telnet at all. :( |
| 18:00.35 | abrotman | therealbigusdick: debian package? |
| 18:00.51 | Marupa | as in when I have to install something that has a text menu, or whatnot. |
| 18:01.03 | therealbigusdick | abrotman, xevil package (debian unstable) |
| 18:01.07 | Marupa | apache, postfix, etc. |
| 18:01.22 | therealbigusdick | ii xevil 2.02r2-4 A violent side-scrolling game for X |
| 18:01.25 | abrotman | therealbigusdick: nm .. they already know it's missing |
| 18:01.30 | abrotman | http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 18:01.37 | cahoot | Marupa: like those blue scrren that dpkg-reconfigure pops up? |
| 18:01.44 | Marupa | exactly, cahoot. |
| 18:01.59 | cahoot | Marupa: ncurses then |
| 18:02.07 | uroboros | Wyzard: I thing the idea that client sends some system signals to the server side is wrong. How would such thing be possible? :) |
| 18:02.17 | uroboros | s/thing/think/ |
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| 18:02.27 | Marupa | uninstall/reinstall it? |
| 18:02.32 | Marupa | or will that break something? |
| 18:02.39 | cahoot | Marupa: don't |
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| 18:02.55 | Wyzard | uroboros: The client closes the TCP connection (which involves sending some packets, but they're handled by the kernel, not the login shell or anything) |
| 18:02.57 | itom | I all I've disabled root login in my ssh server config; there is a way to authorize only two user to login via ssh to the server? |
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| 18:03.06 | cahoot | Marupa: was just trying to figure out what type of problem you have |
| 18:03.27 | Wyzard | uroboros: and when the TCP connection is closed, the kernel sends a SIGHUP (or so I thought) to the processes which had that connection as their stdin/stdout |
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| 18:03.42 | cahoot | Marupa: what locale do you use? |
| 18:03.47 | uroboros | Wyzard: yes. And I need to check such situation in order to kill the app instance running on the remote server. |
| 18:03.56 | Marupa | uh...US? I dunno. |
| 18:04.00 | pumpkin0 | itom: man sshd_config, about 50 lines down ... |
| 18:04.06 | Marupa | how do I check? |
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| 18:16.34 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 18:16.39 | abrotman | stat <file> |
| 18:16.46 | muh2000 | do you know the german highspeed train ICE ? (it is going about 300km/h).... |
| 18:16.47 | uroboros | pumpkin0: the kill -9 $$ does not work too... I also tried to do something like echo 'SIGHUP' >/tmp/debug and no such file appeared. It seems it is not trapping the 1 signal. Why so? |
| 18:17.18 | pumpkin0 | uroboros: your trap ... 1 replaces the normal trap1 code. And the bye-function does not work (i don´t know why, give me a sec ..) |
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| 18:17.22 | muh2000 | trainsurfing + ICE + a sick boy(cancer) = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvm5H4F-aA (there is no gore he survives that ride) |
| 18:17.34 | abrotman | muh2000: stop already |
| 18:17.57 | muh2000 | only debian topics allowed ? |
| 18:18.03 | oOGneaOo | yes. |
| 18:18.07 | muh2000 | ok sorry |
| 18:18.11 | keyboarder | how can i get my kernel not to load ide_generic, but ata_piix first? |
| 18:18.17 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 18:18.17 | dpkg | [blacklist] Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:18.27 | Roey | abrotman: noooooooooo |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | Roey: ? |
| 18:18.40 | muh2000 | keyboarder take one as a module i think |
| 18:18.56 | keyboarder | both are modules |
| 18:18.56 | Roey | abrotman: I'm talking about real-time auditing of files so that if you use any program to open a fiel for reading, then that action will be logged to /var/log/wherever |
| 18:19.07 | EmleyMoor | keyboarder: Do you actually need ide_generic? |
| 18:19.10 | Roey | abrotman: inotify comes to mind. |
| 18:19.14 | muh2000 | keyboarder make one * instead M |
| 18:19.15 | abrotman | Roey: fam ? |
| 18:19.15 | pumpkin0 | uroboros: hint: traps do not work while the prog is waiting in sleep or ther such functions ... |
| 18:19.31 | keyboarder | EmleyMoor no |
| 18:19.36 | abrotman | muh2000: that's not what he's talking about |
| 18:19.43 | uroboros | pumpkin0: if I do kill -1 PID on the test process, it works. So it seems the xinetd is not sending the SIGHUP to the test app when the tcp connection was closed... |
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| 18:19.45 | keyboarder | i use the debian kernel |
| 18:19.54 | uroboros | pumpkin0: I did not understood your hint. :( |
| 18:19.59 | muh2000 | abrotman it would be a work around :) |
| 18:20.08 | Roey | abrotman: will fam do this? Can I configure fam to do this for a particular dir? |
| 18:20.23 | EmleyMoor | Ah, perhaps I need module-assistant from backports too |
| 18:20.23 | pstickne | wouldn't the program be terminated by default if it received a SIGHUP? |
| 18:20.25 | xingu | uroboros: what happens if you test for eof on stdin? |
| 18:20.43 | xingu | think I'll just change my name to mr cellophane |
| 18:21.43 | Wyzard | Is there a way to check whether the running kernel is configured for 2G, 4G, or 64G memory support? |
| 18:21.51 | pumpkin0 | uroboros: http://pastebin.com/821988 <= you may be waiting in somesort of readline ... |
| 18:22.02 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: /proc/config ? |
| 18:22.25 | cahoot | Wyzard: grep -i highmem /boot/config-unam etc |
| 18:22.32 | uroboros | xingu: what ascii code does the eof have? I can check it. Or, said in another way: how can I check for eof using read -n 1 ? |
| 18:22.38 | Wyzard | hmm, I guess I could do that |
| 18:22.58 | muh2000 | keyboarder you can set that somehow in the modules configuration... i tried that once and failed... |
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| 18:23.26 | uroboros | xingu: I think the EOF is the same code as ^D, isn't it? |
| 18:24.06 | ofer0 | uroboros, yeah |
| 18:24.16 | keyboarder | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:24.17 | dpkg | blacklist-initramfs is probably If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run update-initramfs in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:24.41 | pstickne | EOF should be out-of-band |
| 18:24.43 | abrotman | muh2000: compiling a kernel is not a workaround to his problem |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | Roey: apt-cache show fam |
| 18:25.00 | xingu | wait a minute, you're doing this in sh? :) |
| 18:25.28 | xingu | yes, eof should be out of band, it'll be tricky to get sh to look for a collapsing stdin |
| 18:25.44 | pstickne | is there any way to get xinetd to be more harsh with the signal it sends? |
| 18:25.54 | tralala | is there a packaged ogg2mp3 convertor? |
| 18:26.13 | erore | how to associate video files with vlc in gnome? |
| 18:26.30 | ofer0 | tralala, I usually convert ogg to wav and then to mp3 using LAME |
| 18:26.42 | Feax | What is the best graphical desktop ? KDE ? |
| 18:26.49 | Marupa | don't ask that. |
| 18:26.51 | oOGneaOo | Feax: twm |
| 18:26.59 | abrotman | Feax: try them all .. you decide |
| 18:27.09 | pstickne | I use a minimal KDE setup, but it really depends on what YOU want to do and what YOU like to use. |
| 18:27.10 | muh2000 | abrotman what else ? when he marks the module he wants to be loaded first he can mark it * to be loaded first. ok he has the problem of having no module for the part he wants loaded first. but i was told here configuring a loading que can mix up.... |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | muh2000: that's not what his problem was .. |
| 18:27.32 | tralala | ofer0, that's the last resort. I want something convinient though - just point it to the oggs and get the mp3s |
| 18:27.37 | Feax | What is the best graphical desktop (with the best graphics) for linux ? |
| 18:27.41 | Feax | that is my question |
| 18:27.43 | abrotman | Feax: try them all .. you decide |
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| 18:27.48 | ofer0 | tralala, Maybe I wrote something using Perl, wait a sec |
| 18:28.01 | uroboros | ofer0: Hm. I added a check for ^D in the readln() function to exit the app. and it does not work either. :( |
| 18:28.17 | ofer0 | uroboros, readln() ? pascal ? |
| 18:28.17 | uroboros | ofer0: perhaps, no ^D is sent by the client. |
| 18:28.31 | uroboros | ofer0: the http://pub.ligatura.org/tmp/test treadln() |
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| 18:28.43 | bokey | Feax# rmrfing is the best desktop. just open xterm and do "rm -rf" (without the double qoutes) to install rmrfing window manager. |
| 18:28.45 | DhampirX | hi |
| 18:28.57 | uroboros | ofer0: I changed the ^D to be exit 1 and still no success. :( |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | muh2000: DO NOT DO THAT |
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| 18:29.40 | muh2000 | every chanel in the world says privat conversion should be done in querrys... |
| 18:29.43 | DhampirX | i need help |
| 18:29.56 | abrotman | muh2000: it's not private ... |
| 18:30.03 | simonrvn | hardly private |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman | muh2000: trust me .. i have nothing private to discuss with you |
| 18:30.19 | simonrvn | bokey: STFU |
| 18:30.20 | EmleyMoor | Hiow do I find out who packaged something? |
| 18:30.31 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: apt-cache show |
| 18:30.53 | simonrvn | Feax: ignore bokey |
| 18:30.57 | tralala | bokey, this kind of "cleverness" could get you banned |
| 18:30.59 | DhampirX | i have problems |
| 18:31.02 | bokey | simonrvn# why ? |
| 18:31.08 | simonrvn | !tell DhampirX about ask |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | bokey: that's how you get banned .. |
| 18:31.13 | bokey | that won't do anything!.. trust me.. you didn't read the command. it's "rm -rf" and not "rm -rf /". =) |
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| 18:31.17 | simonrvn | bokey: because you don't do that sort of thing |
| 18:31.31 | simonrvn | i don't care |
| 18:31.55 | bokey | simonrvn# =) hah.. I won't :-) |
| 18:31.57 | simonrvn | go do it on your own machine if you think it's funny |
| 18:32.13 | Roey | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 18:32.29 | muh2000 | well that what we have is a diffrent interprtation of his problem... thats more a thing that should be done in a 4 eye conversion. but i dont care i just wanted to help him.... and my tip would bring him to a solution. but only if he doesent need that thing as a module.... |
| 18:32.42 | bokey | Feax# kde sucks. |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | muh2000: fine .. you fix it the stupid way .. everyone else will use the sane way |
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| 18:33.25 | oOGneaOo | bokey: no offense, but you are the dumbest piece of shit i've seen in this channel today. |
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| 18:33.39 | abrotman | oOGneaOo: read your backlog .. Prock wins! |
| 18:33.40 | tralala | Feax, you don't need to have the best, just something that will do the job. |
| 18:33.43 | bokey | oOGneaOo# yeah. thanks. =) |
| 18:33.55 | oOGneaOo | abrotman: heh |
| 18:34.14 | pickcoder | man, I go away to mow the lawn and I miss all the fun |
| 18:34.28 | muh2000 | abrotman funny i had the same problem a while ago with two diffrent host adapter drivers... i got that tip from here and nobody could give me a mention how to use the sane way.... |
| 18:34.41 | abrotman | muh2000: you got bad help |
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| 18:34.45 | bokey | oOGneaOo# anything else ? |
| 18:34.52 | pickcoder | muh2000: there are idiots in here that give help too |
| 18:35.01 | oOGneaOo | bokey: yeah, your pound sign is annoying |
| 18:35.14 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 18:35.20 | uroboros | ofer0: so, any ideas? the worst thing is I can not simply check for $'\x00' in bash. ;) It is the same as empty string for bash. ;) |
| 18:35.34 | uroboros | or it seems to be. |
| 18:35.40 | muh2000 | abrotman pickcoder. well i know (like me) and i havent read how to setup the sane way yet so i guess my help will him bring a solution if he likes to compile a new kernel) |
| 18:35.45 | pixelmonkey | Hi Debianers. I have a server that's been rock-solid for me for awhile. I know it is a no-no, but I set it up using the "testing" branch originally, and haven't apt-get upgrade'ed it in quite awhile, since it served very few services overall. Now I'm coming back to it and see that there are 900 packages to upgrade and 200 to remove if I do an apt-get upgrade, and about the same number to upgrade and only 7 or 8 to remove if I do |
| 18:35.45 | pixelmonkey | an apt-get dist-upgrade. When you've left a box untouched for this long, how do I reason about upgrading my packages? |
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| 18:36.36 | abrotman | muh2000: your solution is the long way .. and not needed |
| 18:36.38 | bokey | oOGneaOo# :-) |
| 18:36.47 | pickcoder | pixelmonkey: I had a Sarge testing box running for a while and did apt-get update on it a couple months ago |
| 18:36.57 | pickcoder | no major problems |
| 18:37.02 | simonrvn | the *worst* spelling i've ever seen, or just about |
| 18:37.08 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: firstly .. point at etch (not testing) .. and you're going to have to do it and suck it up |
| 18:37.14 | pstickne | "...make sure that before you change it to root, you disconnect from the Internet. Otherwise the script kiddies will be on you like squirrels on a tree." |
| 18:37.27 | pixelmonkey | abrotman, do the upgrade you mean. |
| 18:37.28 | pickcoder | if you want to stay on Sarge (and you're sure it's Sarge testing) then change your sources.list to "stable |
| 18:37.31 | simonrvn | full of acorns |
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| 18:37.39 | pixelmonkey | pickcoder, okay, yea, that was one thing I was considering |
| 18:37.41 | pickcoder | or etch, if you want the current testing |
| 18:37.43 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: you're going to have to do it someday |
| 18:37.44 | pixelmonkey | pickcoder, is that supported? |
| 18:37.54 | pixelmonkey | can I "stick with sarge" at this point? |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 18:38.16 | pickcoder | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:38.16 | dpkg | ii libc6 3.1-1 pickcoder's private stamp collection |
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| 18:38.16 | pickcoder | and also look at /etc/debian_version |
| 18:38.19 | tralala | dpkg, shut up |
| 18:38.19 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 18:38.21 | abrotman | pickcoder: it will say testing/unstable |
| 18:38.28 | abrotman | which doesn't really help |
| 18:38.29 | uroboros | ofer0: I think I got it!! |
| 18:38.29 | pickcoder | abrotman: true.. |
| 18:38.31 | muh2000 | abrotman i know. but i do that because i dont know better. or the sane way to configure the modules.conf that one module is loaded before the other... even tagging it with a dev# didnt do the job(here at my machine) but i would be interessted how to setup that up right. |
| 18:38.42 | pixelmonkey | abrotman, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | muh2000: god .. drop it already .. you were wrong .. accept it |
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| 18:38.59 | pixelmonkey | pickcoder, 3.1 |
| 18:39.06 | pickcoder | that's sarge |
| 18:39.06 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: doesn't sound like testing to me |
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| 18:57.39 | enouf | slept: aptitude handles dependencies .. apt-get does not generally .. do this 'apt-get install aptitude-doc-en' read up |
| 18:58.17 | bokey | enouf# apt-get doesn't handle dependency ? |
| 18:58.19 | enouf | slept: for clean up there's apt-clean, debfoster and deborphan amongst other dpkg variants |
| 18:58.21 | ericrw | enouf: apt-get handles depends... |
| 18:58.36 | ericrw | aptitude is probably doing a dist-upgrade |
| 18:58.43 | enouf | well .. it handles tjhem differntly |
| 18:58.52 | ericrw | apt-get's 'upgrade' won't remove packages, while its 'dist-upgrade' will |
| 18:59.06 | enouf | apt-get does not remove items unless you tell it to <-- correction |
| 18:59.08 | bokey | mini netsplit ? |
| 18:59.22 | enouf | ericrw: ok .. right |
| 18:59.34 | adrakoa | slept: deborphan | xargs dpkg --purge |
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| 19:01.47 | slept | enouf, adrakoa , well that does not really explain why it want s to remove things which are still needed like gnome,kde and a lot more things its not just libs |
| 19:02.05 | slept | it tells me they are not used |
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| 19:03.36 | enouf | slept: read the documentation .. I don't use aptitude |
| 19:03.40 | ericrw | ugh... big problem. damn it. |
| 19:03.41 | adrakoa | slept: man deborphan :p |
| 19:04.13 | adrakoa | slept: man -k apt |
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| 19:04.47 | enouf | slept: it's likely removing items to upgrade stuff .. Last time I used aptitiude (once from CLI) it did the same thing as you're seeing .. systme didn't break though it was a bit frightening watch it remove all that stuff |
| 19:05.34 | therealbigusdick | starting gnome-terminal is slow on my machine and I get the following in my ~/.xsession-errors file: "(gnome-terminal:14759): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Could not open network socket." |
| 19:05.50 | therealbigusdick | gnome-terminal starts and I am using it right now, but it is slow until it starts |
| 19:06.04 | therealbigusdick | I think it is related to the .xsession-errors entries |
| 19:06.18 | slept | adrakoa, well, yes the packages it wants to remove are not the same deborphan tells me so it must have an other way to find out what is "unused" |
| 19:06.19 | therealbigusdick | I am running xfce4, any ideas what could be the problem? |
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| 19:06.43 | tralala | therealbigusdick, the gnome session manager is not running? |
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| 19:07.03 | linlin | how do i install gparted, its not in my repo |
| 19:07.20 | therealbigusdick | 1000 5378 2799 0 04:04 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 19:07.40 | therealbigusdick | strange gnome-session manager is up and running |
| 19:08.10 | pumpkin0 | linlin: which repo are you using ? (sid, etch, sarge,... ?) |
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| 19:10.40 | tralala | therealbigusdick, can you stop the gnome terminal, start an xterm and see if the session manager is still there? I suspect that the terminal is starting it and this is the reason it takes so long. |
| 19:11.35 | erore | I am running sarge, when I apt-get install gnome-volume-manager, when installing hal I get that it requires kernel 2.6? Well but this kernel is not part of the stable distro... |
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| 19:12.06 | enouf | erore: Sarge can use 2.6.8kernel |
| 19:12.23 | enouf | erore: what's uname -r say |
| 19:12.37 | erore | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 19:12.59 | tralala | erore, you can install 2.6.8 |
| 19:13.06 | tralala | it's in sarge |
| 19:13.15 | erore | tralala: with apt? |
| 19:13.28 | therealbigusdick | tralala, I tried now not with gnome-terminal but with xterm to be sure it is not only a gnome issue (I am using xfce4). When I start xterm, the following is logged in .xession-errors: |
| 19:13.34 | therealbigusdick | Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Could not open network socket |
| 19:13.38 | tralala | erore, of course |
| 19:13.43 | therealbigusdick | but there is an xfce session manager: |
| 19:13.48 | therealbigusdick | xfce4-session |
| 19:13.52 | erore | tralala, what is the package name? |
| 19:13.52 | therealbigusdick | xfce4-session: Another session manager is already running |
| 19:13.53 | enouf | erore: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.8 |
| 19:13.56 | therealbigusdick | so it is already running |
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| 19:14.18 | tralala | enouf, kernel-image! |
| 19:14.28 | enouf | erore: bah .. I mean apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
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| 19:14.34 | enouf | tralala: why? |
| 19:14.45 | tralala | because it's sarge |
| 19:15.01 | tralala | and this is how the sarge package is called |
| 19:15.23 | tralala | therealbigusdick, which branch do you run? |
| 19:15.41 | therealbigusdick | x-session-manager, xfce4-session, gnome-session what I mess :) |
| 19:15.43 | tralala | erore, /msg dpkg search |
| 19:15.43 | therealbigusdick | I am running sid |
| 19:15.44 | enouf | meh .. erore apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 19:16.13 | tralala | therealbigusdick, then I will recommend you to switch to stable |
| 19:16.20 | therealbigusdick | tralala, ok, thanks. |
| 19:16.25 | enouf | erore: if using LiLo be sure to rerun it before rebooting .. if using Grub should be fine |
| 19:16.28 | netcrash | Hello, on debian when executing a perl script I get this error perl: warning: Setting locale failed. , what can this problem be ? |
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| 19:18.22 | linlin | pumpkin0 http://pastebin.ca/246011 |
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| 19:18.51 | linlin | pumpkin0 looks like sarge |
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| 19:19.22 | erore | tralala, should I use 686 or 386 image (dont know the difference :-( ) |
| 19:19.25 | tralala | erore, if you have ppro or later processor 686 |
| 19:19.39 | erore | tralala thanks |
| 19:19.43 | enouf | erore: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" |
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| 19:20.30 | enouf | erore: read apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 19:20.58 | linlin | pumpkin0: you there? :) |
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| 19:21.06 | enouf | !smack me |
| 19:21.13 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 19:21.13 | dpkg | sure thing, enouf |
| 19:21.29 | pumpkin0 | linlin: yes that is sarge => backports.org is your friend. |
| 19:21.31 | erore | enouf, I have image-2.6.18-2-686 |
| 19:21.49 | enouf | erore: what do you mean you have? |
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| 19:22.06 | erore | enouf possibilities from apt-cache.. |
| 19:22.08 | enouf | erore: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:22.17 | erore | sorry for bad english |
| 19:22.17 | netcrash | Hello again , on debian when executing a perl script I get this error perl: warning: Setting locale failed. , what can cause this warning ? |
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| 19:22.32 | therealbigusdick | ok, using startxfce4 instead of startx solved the problem. No need to uninstall the whole unstable distribution I am running, install the stable one, and checking if gnome-terminal starts faster in stable :) |
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| 19:22.47 | enouf | erore: paste the ouput of cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:23.21 | enouf | !smack me harder |
| 19:23.22 | erore | enouf: 3.1 |
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| 19:24.10 | enouf | erore: pastebin your entire contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:24.20 | enouf | !tell erore about paster |
| 19:25.46 | erore | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/246018 |
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| 19:26.24 | enouf | erore: deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-freeme-work1 <-- that'll do it |
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| 19:26.32 | linlin | pumpkin0: no beans, http://pastebin.ca/246019 |
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| 19:27.15 | enouf | erore: wanna run an unofficial backported kernel? .. go ahead v.. if not install 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 19:27.40 | Cyber66 | i need a incoming tcp listen port that works |
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| 19:28.02 | dutchfish | can anyone explain wich xen-kernel is needed in etch for installing latest xen hypervisor along with its tools version 3.0.3? It supposed to be 2.6.18 wich isnt in etch (so far)? |
| 19:28.40 | pumpkin0 | linlin: sorry, didn´t know gnome was not in backports. |
| 19:29.08 | pumpkin0 | Cyber66: you need what ? |
| 19:29.12 | erore | enouf, ok I install official one, thanks :-) |
| 19:30.09 | enouf | erore: no prob .. read the diocs at BPO for what to do about that line and whther to comment it out or not .. set it's pin priority .. man apt_preferences |
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| 19:30.18 | enouf | erore: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 19:30.24 | Wyzard | Interesting... Bruce Perens used to work at Pixar? |
| 19:30.30 | Wyzard | I guess that explains Debian's naming scheme |
| 19:32.13 | enouf | dutchfish: : dunno, but may want to follow and sertch the debian-kernel mailing list at lists.debian.org |
| 19:32.27 | enouf | dutchfish: I get some results using 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6' but I'm on Sid |
| 19:33.01 | dutchfish | enouf, yes its in sid but i want it on testing because 3.0.3 migrated 2 days ago into testing |
| 19:33.16 | linlin | how do i setup unstable repos in sources.list? |
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| 19:33.26 | enouf | dutchfish: apt-get update? |
| 19:33.46 | enouf | !iyhtays |
| 19:33.46 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:33.55 | enouf | linlin: ^^ |
| 19:34.01 | linlin | !unstable |
| 19:34.01 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 19:34.25 | enouf | hehe " If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't." |
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| 19:34.33 | pumpkin0 | linlin: do not go that way. Try to install it from testing... |
| 19:34.43 | linlin | ok |
| 19:34.46 | linlin | its in testing too |
| 19:34.52 | linlin | how do i install a testing repo |
| 19:35.14 | pumpkin0 | linlin: but i guess it depends on udev or something in that line and will kill your system 1. go. |
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| 19:36.20 | ericrw | blah.. |
| 19:36.20 | pumpkin0 | linlin: but since it´s not my system: change all "stable" into "testing" in your sources.list, run "apt-get update" and try to install. |
| 19:36.33 | dutchfish | enouf, i cant find if xen 3.0.3 needs xen-kernel 2.6.18 the xen 3.0.3 package in etch is not clear about this |
| 19:37.16 | enouf | dutchfish: only other thing is try asking in the dev channel #debian-kernel |
| 19:37.17 | dutchfish | enouf, it doesnt run with the curent 2.6.17 kernel for xen in etch |
| 19:37.17 | linlin | well, ill ask this then, is there a better gui based app around that allows resizing partitions, or a fairly easy to use cli one |
| 19:37.31 | dutchfish | enouf, thx i will do |
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| 19:37.57 | enouf | linlin: which pkg/app are yhou wanting? |
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| 19:38.03 | linlin | gparted |
| 19:38.23 | enouf | linlin: gparted has a 30MB d/l LiveCD |
| 19:38.43 | linlin | that would work, but the server is about 500 miles away in miami, fl |
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| 19:39.04 | enouf | linlin: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:39.12 | enouf | linlin: oh |
| 19:39.24 | enouf | wanna take a drive :-) |
| 19:39.29 | linlin | heh |
| 19:39.38 | enouf | linlin: I hear the chics are hot down there :-P |
| 19:39.43 | linlin | i actually have a guy going there next saturday to replace a drive in it |
| 19:39.43 | pumpkin0 | linlin: you don´t want to repartition a server you cannot reboot and pop in a live-CD for rescue-operations. |
| 19:39.57 | enouf | nods |
| 19:40.12 | linlin | yeah i know that, but this is my only option at this point, sinceim not going to fly to miami ;) |
| 19:40.29 | linlin | all else fails, i pay the datacneter to reload the os from scratch, thats always an option |
| 19:40.47 | pumpkin0 | linlin: why to you want to resize anyway ? |
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| 19:41.11 | linlin | ok can i link to a forum message that explain the whole situation? |
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| 19:41.21 | pumpkin0 | linlin: sure. |
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| 19:41.53 | linlin | http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=857277 |
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| 19:41.57 | linlin | k check that out |
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| 19:42.32 | aurax | hello |
| 19:42.43 | linlin | i need to make a 5gb partition to act as a tempoary home for a week or so |
| 19:42.48 | linlin | on hdc |
| 19:42.54 | pumpkin0 | linlin: you do not need gparted. |
| 19:43.15 | linlin | ok what should i do |
| 19:43.19 | linlin | the 30gb drive is dying |
| 19:43.28 | linlin | it crashes constantly, makes me reboot te box |
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| 19:43.42 | linlin | i need to stop using it until saturday |
| 19:43.55 | pumpkin0 | linlin: copy the /home from the 30 to the / of the 20 and remove the home-line from the fstab. reboot. |
| 19:44.27 | linlin | hmm |
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| 19:45.19 | pumpkin0 | linlin: /home does not need to by on a separed parition ... it can live happily on / (which i do on most desktopsystems anyway) |
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| 19:45.52 | lunitik | pumpkin0: thats a bad thing to recommend, it makes things more complicated for the user later |
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| 19:46.37 | cybercrypt | Has anyone used debian as a router with two ISPs, one wifi, and one lan connections? |
| 19:46.39 | pumpkin0 | lunitik: in this situtation: i don´t think having /home on a dying disk is better. For the desktops: why ? |
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| 19:47.04 | xingu | linlin: gnu fileutils, glibc2.2, and cp -a will do what you need doing just fine |
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| 19:47.21 | Cyber66 | i need a incoming tcp listen port that works |
| 19:47.24 | linlin | ive been using rsync |
| 19:47.27 | lunitik | pumpkin0: /home should be seperate always... else if reinstalls are necissary, all user specific settings are lost... which is annoying |
| 19:47.31 | linlin | rsync -av |
| 19:47.58 | linlin | i probally would have kept it all on one partition, but they are setup like this cause they are seperate physical drives |
| 19:48.06 | lunitik | pumpkin0: note I didn't say it has to be on a seperate disk... he should still make a /home partition on the functional harddrive |
| 19:48.19 | xingu | linlin: rsync -a doesn't get you sparsefile handling |
| 19:48.24 | linlin | im in the process of doing that right now |
| 19:48.31 | xingu | linlin: be prepared for your shared libs to chew more space |
| 19:48.32 | linlin | i already copied the contents of the 30 to /tmphome |
| 19:48.38 | linlin | moving that to /home now |
| 19:48.43 | lunitik | linlin: look into lvm... thats flawed reasoning ;) |
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| 19:48.50 | pumpkin0 | lunitik: if you have to reinstall a desktop (which happens like every 10 years) a little mv /home /home.old from a live-CD is all it takes.. |
| 19:49.01 | sandman | Is there an easy way to share a printer on a network via SMB from GNOME? |
| 19:49.01 | cybercrypt | don't forget too always have a good backup - no matter if you have separate partitions/drives or not |
| 19:49.22 | linlin | i have nothing totally mission critical on the machine |
| 19:49.23 | pumpkin0 | linlin: you are doing something strange ... did you just move /usr ? |
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| 19:49.26 | lunitik | pumpkin0: fine, recommend a retarded partition layout *shrug* |
| 19:49.35 | linlin | its a toy for me more or less, only thing that is needed is the voip i run on it |
| 19:50.06 | linlin | no i didnt move /usr |
| 19:50.29 | linlin | pumpkin0: dude, 200$ server on ebay, colopronto.com 20$/month |
| 19:50.45 | cybercrypt | I guess nobody can help me with my router question. Can someone recommend another channel besides iptables (channel seems dead)? |
| 19:51.01 | pumpkin0 | linlin: i know, but no time ... and the flights from europe just to change the drive are WAY more expensive ... |
| 19:51.10 | linlin | whens all said and done i can give you access to it if you like, there will be ample room on it then ;) |
| 19:51.15 | lunitik | sandman: Nothing is easier via Gnome... you have to use samba directly afaik... |
| 19:51.32 | linlin | i mailed them my machine, ive never been to the datacenter my self |
| 19:51.51 | linlin | i have a friend that lives about an hour away that im sending 20$ and a pack of cigs to drop in the new drive in a week |
| 19:52.00 | lunitik | sandman: Gnome considered useful things too complicated for the normal user... |
| 19:52.09 | petemc | !tell cybercrypt about split access |
| 19:52.22 | aurax | anyone have an idea how to make windows kickstarts install from a debian server? |
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| 19:52.43 | ma3x | why cant i install wd drm activex control for firefox? it's giving me error code 202 |
| 19:52.47 | ma3x | I wanna watch some videos on tmz.com |
| 19:52.50 | sandman | lunitik: Is there a frontend or something for it |
| 19:53.01 | lunitik | ma3x: Firefox doesn't support ActiveX |
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| 19:53.10 | lunitik | ma3x: Thats an IE flaw |
| 19:53.26 | linlin | ok, rebooting, see if this works |
| 19:53.50 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: or put the other way: FF does not have that security hole. yet ... |
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| 19:54.06 | ma3x | pumpkin0: so it's impossible to watch tmz.com videos? |
| 19:54.15 | pumpkin0 | linlin: you did change the fstab ... ? |
| 19:54.22 | lunitik | sandman: I believe smb4k can do it... why not just use the samba way? |
| 19:54.24 | linlin | yeah commented it out |
| 19:54.26 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: wine + IE ? |
| 19:54.46 | linlin | Reply from 69.60.124.146: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=45 |
| 19:54.48 | linlin | Reply from 69.60.124.146: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=45 |
| 19:54.48 | linlin | Request timed out. |
| 19:54.56 | linlin | such a gut wrenching feeling ;) |
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| 19:55.50 | pumpkin0 | linlin: ... that was close to the spam-bot trigger ... and do not post real IPs here. That is considered bad luck. |
| 19:55.51 | xingu | linlin: only when you've got a few tens of windows open each logged into a different host, and focus-follows-mouse enabled with a twitchy rodent |
| 19:57.06 | linlin | heh, that worked remarkably well |
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| 19:57.41 | linlin | ok, so if that 30gb starts to give me trouble, like it does almost every day, will it bring the system down if its not mounted? |
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| 19:58.18 | lunitik | linlin: if its not mounted, you likely won't even notice its choking :/ |
| 19:58.33 | pumpkin0 | linlin: spindown the dying disc (so it does not do something funny) and do not mount it. the system may crash if it is blocking the IDE bus. That is very rare. |
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| 19:59.02 | xingu | linlin: as pumpkin0 says, use hdparm to put the drive to sleep; linux's ide error path can be a bit twitchy. |
| 19:59.22 | linlin | alright |
| 19:59.35 | sandman | Why isn't webmin @ the repositories? |
| 19:59.51 | linlin | cause its so easy to install from the tar.gz ;) |
| 19:59.59 | pumpkin0 | !webmin |
| 20:00.00 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 20:00.49 | unseensoul | hi |
| 20:02.59 | lunitik | sandman: search around for specifics of the munich setups... they state a webbased administration interface that _is_ in the archive... |
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| 20:03.14 | azeem | they use gosa |
| 20:03.16 | azeem | (munich) |
| 20:03.19 | xingu | yum, gosa |
| 20:03.30 | azeem | plus fai |
| 20:03.34 | sandman | I was ready about gosa. Is it really that great? |
| 20:03.40 | sandman | reading, rather. |
| 20:03.44 | azeem | dunno, haven't used it myself |
| 20:03.47 | lunitik | azeem: ahh, yes, thank you :) |
| 20:03.59 | linlin | sandman, i find the only safe way to use webmin is to restrict its connectinos to 127.0.0.1, then use VNC or better yet, nomachine to get a GUI and login to it |
| 20:04.01 | lunitik | azeem: I don't know if that configures much but users etc though? |
| 20:04.02 | linlin | but thats overkill |
| 20:04.08 | azeem | lunitik: yeah, not sure |
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| 20:04.32 | unseensoul | i need the /usb/bin/enable program to enable a printer, but i don't have it in my systen. which package provides it? |
| 20:05.20 | unseensoul | brb |
| 20:05.21 | lunitik | !find enable |
| 20:05.25 | dvs | \/usb/bin/enable ? |
| 20:05.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'enable' (6 of 45): (/usr/sbin/lighty-enable-mod) in web/lighttpd ;; (/usr/sbin/selinuxenabled) in admin/selinux-utils ;; (/etc/init.d/enable-nat) in misc/debian-edu-config ;; (/etc/courier/enablefiltering) in mail/courier-mta ;; (/usr/lib/xen-tools/gentoo.d/20-enable-su) in utils/xen-tools ;; (/usr/share/agistudio/help/enable_item.html) in x11/agistudio. |
| 20:05.44 | evil_andy | well, someone said something to me... but I was not here to hear it... |
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| 20:06.01 | lunitik | evil_andy: check your logs? |
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| 20:06.31 | evil_andy | true, I could. |
| 20:06.43 | FarrisG | I have spamassassin working perfectly on my box. However, I'd like to allow another box to use the same spamd. Can I configure spamd on this box to listen on an external interface so I can just tell the MTA to check against spamassassin on the remote box? |
| 20:06.49 | sandman | linlin: nomachine? As in, nomachine.com? |
| 20:07.26 | erore | what are called x development files in apt? |
| 20:07.40 | Ick | usually teh package.name-dev |
| 20:08.06 | linlin | yup |
| 20:08.08 | linlin | great suite |
| 20:08.21 | Ick | xorg-dev |
| 20:08.21 | linlin | its ssl encrypted X tunnel to the client app |
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| 20:08.31 | azeem | xorg-dev is deprecated |
| 20:08.39 | Ick | oh |
| 20:08.41 | Ick | pwned |
| 20:08.59 | Ick | xserver-xorg-dev |
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| 20:09.25 | azeem | that's just the server though, the libraries all have their won libfoo-dev packages |
| 20:10.08 | Ick | apt-cache search xorg | grep dev |
| 20:10.20 | evil_andy | boo, it was spam |
| 20:10.27 | aurax | is there a guide somewhere how to turn debian into a ris pxe server for windows ghosts? |
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| 20:11.55 | tralala | erore, xlibs-dev |
| 20:11.57 | erore | libglu1-xorg-dev |
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| 20:12.35 | IamEthos_ | cups? |
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| 20:12.42 | IamEthos_ | where the hell do I get that? |
| 20:12.54 | tralala | IamEthos_, /msg dpkg search |
| 20:12.56 | Ick | common unix printing system? |
| 20:12.59 | Ick | or something like that |
| 20:13.42 | g00se | Is it possible to start x0rfbserver from the machine from which i'll be trying to connect to that server? |
| 20:14.03 | IamEthos_ | tralala: is dpkg sort of slowish? |
| 20:14.22 | azeem | !hi |
| 20:14.22 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 20:14.30 | itchi | amphi: Are you still here? |
| 20:14.36 | tralala | IamEthos_, no |
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| 20:14.57 | IamEthos_ | tralala: well it hasn't responded yet |
| 20:15.00 | azeem | IamEthos_: if no such factoid exists, it will just stay quiet |
| 20:15.02 | tralala | aren't you getting any response |
| 20:15.28 | IamEthos_ | tralala: nope |
| 20:15.32 | pumpkin0 | IamEthos_: are you registered and can you send pm´s ? |
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| 20:15.47 | azeem | dpkg should work anyway |
| 20:15.50 | IamEthos_ | pumpkin0: yep |
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| 20:15.58 | azeem | IamEthos_: what command did you issue to it? |
| 20:16.11 | IamEthos_ | \/msg dpkg search cups |
| 20:16.14 | IamEthos_ | err |
| 20:16.17 | IamEthos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.26 | tralala | IamEthos_, that's not what I said |
| 20:16.33 | xingu | hmm, that's a trip down memory lane, just found the install cd I used to bootstrap last time through in '00 |
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| 20:16.43 | pumpkin0 | !tell IamEthos_ about search |
| 20:16.51 | IamEthos_ | tralala: whoops |
| 20:16.56 | itchi | Someone know the Debian way to install ipw3945 for an Intel Pro 3945 wifi card? |
| 20:17.09 | IamEthos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.09 | azeem | itchi: it's not there yet I think |
| 20:17.54 | shawny | ATTENTION: We need as many people as possible in: #ebaumsworldforums thank you |
| 20:17.55 | itchi | azeem: Because i had follow the instructions on ipw and have messed a bit the things up; like there is an debian way we need to follow |
| 20:17.57 | tralala | IamEthos_, no dpkg will tell you how to search for software in debian |
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| 20:18.02 | cybercrypt | petemc: thanks for the info, but I've been reading from lartc for a couple days now. I still do not feel confident to replace an OpenBSD router with my debian box yet. |
| 20:18.16 | itchi | shingouz: What's up? |
| 20:18.21 | itchi | oeps |
| 20:18.26 | IamEthos_ | tralala: yeah, I got it now |
| 20:18.29 | cybercrypt | petemc: I was hoping to find a working iptables script with the same configuration as me |
| 20:18.34 | IamEthos_ | cupsys, not just cups like on Arch |
| 20:18.35 | IamEthos_ | whoops |
| 20:18.37 | xingu | itchi: when I went through that hoop the deb module source package wasn't exactly installable; I wound up just bootstrapping it from the sourceforget project page and cobbling it together |
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| 20:19.04 | azeem | itchi: AFAIK, ipw3945 packages will be uploaded shortly |
| 20:19.10 | azeem | but that has been said for months now |
| 20:19.24 | itchi | azeem: Is it better that i wait a bit ? |
| 20:20.04 | azeem | itchi: dunno, if you'll mess up your system installing stuff yourself waiting is better I guess |
| 20:20.06 | xingu | itchi: probably yes; the sourceforget page needs some massaging to work with in-kernel ieee80211 |
| 20:20.16 | cybercrypt | petemc: Oh... and by same configuration - I just mean a system with 4 interfaces (2 isps, 1 wifi, 1 lan) |
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| 20:20.35 | pumpkin0 | azeem: doesn´t the "firmware-ipw3945" package do all sb needs to get that card working ? |
| 20:20.37 | surfbuddy | can anyone tell me a good website for building a kernel ! |
| 20:21.20 | azeem | pumpkin0: it still needs that proprietary user space daemon I believe |
| 20:21.20 | tralala | surfbuddy, /msg dpkg custom kernel |
| 20:21.20 | pstickne | there is a debian-howto on it |
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| 20:21.31 | azeem | plus is the module src already in unstable? |
| 20:21.34 | itchi | azeem: Okay; gona just try for the fun; and if need a last time reinstall, before begining realy to use the laptop ;-) |
| 20:21.48 | xingu | itchi: the project and the kernel ieee80211 disagree about at which api level they started passing 5 args to ieee80211_tx_frame |
| 20:21.52 | pumpkin0 | azeem: testing... |
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| 20:22.03 | surfbuddy | !dpkg |
| 20:22.04 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 20:22.17 | xingu | itchi: as to who's right or what I get bored easily, fixed it for me, and got on with life |
| 20:22.18 | itchi | xingu: I not understand |
| 20:22.24 | surfbuddy | !dpkg custom kernel |
| 20:22.27 | xingu | itchi: in that case - just be patient and wait. |
| 20:22.32 | pumpkin0 | azeem: i don´t know if the kernel-module is already there. That is the important bit about the ipwXXXX-series. |
| 20:22.38 | tralala | surfbuddy, use /msg |
| 20:22.43 | itchi | xingu: yup ;-) |
| 20:23.18 | surfbuddy | kk |
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| 20:23.40 | xingu | azeem: hopefully it turns up sooner rather than later, a whole stack of merom designs use it |
| 20:23.54 | surfbuddy | tralala, i did...waht next ?? |
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| 20:24.08 | tralala | surfbuddy, read the reply |
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| 20:24.25 | xingu | azeem: has the hallmarks of a wildly annoying #debian faq, just like nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:24.33 | pumpkin0 | xingu: if your kernel has the ipw3XXX module ... the firmware + iwconfig should be all you need. |
| 20:24.34 | itchi | Okay, next card then ... :-p How can i get my card Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) working ? |
| 20:24.37 | surfbuddy | tralala, it came as a private reply.. i was expecting something here !.... thanks |
| 20:24.47 | azeem | xingu: yeah well, I guess it won't make etch anyway |
| 20:25.03 | xingu | pumpkin0: that's the problem, it don't; it's ex-kernel and the deb src package is bung pending update |
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| 20:25.21 | xingu | pumpkin0: just for extra fun the project source breaks c. 2.6.17 or so |
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| 20:25.36 | pumpkin0 | xingu: ois |
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| 20:26.26 | xingu | fortunately I've played this game before; but I can see it clobbering anyone who looks or smells like they might know what to do to makey wifi workee |
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| 20:27.21 | xingu | that was my least favourite 802.11 jobbie. :) |
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| 20:27.49 | itchi | xingu: If i should get the wired, it would be fine too ;-) |
| 20:28.06 | izm99 | hi all. I'd like to "undo" what update-initramfs has done. I'm currently in a liveCD, is it okay to run that script from here? |
| 20:28.21 | itchi | Actually i have only an old pcmcia Ethernet working on it |
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| 20:33.49 | falkon | Is there a way to make debian act as BSD does and display when a login failure occurs on the active command line? |
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| 20:34.11 | falkon | FBSD will report failed login from such and such IP and hostname |
| 20:34.42 | ericrw | falkon, thats a syslog thing |
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| 20:34.59 | pumpkin0 | falkon: you could "tail -f /var/log/auth.log" ... |
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| 20:36.28 | falkon | pumpkin0: that's what I'm currently doing, but |
| 20:36.31 | falkon | + |
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| 20:39.11 | XrMb2 | just an off-topic question...is it correct to say "This was your 1. faulty attempt to login." if a login didn't work somewhere, due to a false password, for example...? |
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| 20:40.00 | pstickne | Just say: "Authentication failed" :) |
| 20:40.12 | XrMb2 | yes, but i want to display a count too |
| 20:40.46 | pstickne | "Hey, bozo, this is the 37th time you typed in your login information wrong. Typing in the same thing again isn't going to work either." |
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| 20:41.01 | XrMb2 | lol |
| 20:41.11 | XrMb2 | seriously, i need a formal expression ;) |
| 20:41.55 | XrMb2 | i mean, is it WRONG, what i suggegsted? |
| 20:41.57 | pstickne | "Login failed; 5th attempt" |
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| 20:42.13 | pstickne | I would put the failure part first, the attempt count is more of an after-thought |
| 20:42.15 | XrMb2 | i just want to know if there are formal/grammatical errors in my text |
| 20:42.31 | pstickne | "1." looks silly |
| 20:42.39 | pstickne | also, "faulty" seems out of place |
| 20:42.41 | XrMb2 | so 1th |
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| 20:42.57 | XrMb2 | yes, right, this is the main reason why i'm asking...what shall i use instead of faulty? |
| 20:42.59 | muh2000 | switching to testing from stable was a good idea. ldap logons work now :) |
| 20:43.08 | pstickne | "This was your 1st invalid attempt to login" # keeping same basic language |
| 20:43.33 | XrMb2 | thanks :> |
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| 20:44.58 | Firestarter | anyone here use vmware? |
| 20:45.13 | therealbigusdick | Firestarter, I do use vmplayer, does that count? |
| 20:45.14 | XrMb2 | i do |
| 20:45.30 | zor0 | you know, someone needs to run channels on freenode just for specific clasic nerd flam wars, say, start a #vivsemacs channel :) |
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| 20:45.52 | XrMb2 | gentoo sucks |
| 20:45.58 | therealbigusdick | zor0, go ahead |
| 20:46.03 | pumpkin0 | zor0: didn´t sb settle that one a long time ago ... |
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| 20:46.19 | zor0 | pumpkin0: did he mention vi? |
| 20:46.28 | norc | hello. how do I compile a source manually with the -Os flag |
| 20:46.51 | azeem | norc: hack the Makefile or similar |
| 20:46.51 | adrakoa | norc: see the makefile |
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| 20:47.18 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I try to reportbug cupsys (as non-root) I get : "debsums: can't open cupsys file /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/ipp (Permission denied)" (also for lpd). Is it normal ? |
| 20:47.19 | norc | mhm.. |
| 20:47.23 | Firestarter | XrMb2: is it possible to boot a win xp install that's already on another partiton of my hd instead of using a virtual partition? |
| 20:47.35 | norc | adrakoa, azeem: no way to handle that with variables like CFLAGS ? |
| 20:47.56 | azeem | norc: or that |
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| 20:48.10 | azeem | depends on the specific package, there is no generally valid approach |
| 20:48.29 | Malagmyr | Being a norwegian, I've got quite a bunch of files that include the norwegian characters æ, ø and å (if you can see them). A lot of linux programs are not too happy about this, and I was wondering if there is such a thing as a filename compatibilizer or something like that, which will convert strange filenames, or at least list them so I can rename the files to something that doesn't use the norwegian characters. |
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| 20:48.43 | norc | oh :( |
| 20:49.10 | norc | Malagmyr: are you using unicode? |
| 20:49.14 | XrMb2 | firestarter, do you mean, to use a REAL existing installation of winXP to boot inside vmware? |
| 20:49.29 | Firestarter | XrMb2: yes |
| 20:49.36 | XrMb2 | no, that is absolutelly impossible, but a nice idea for the vmware-developers :> |
| 20:49.56 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: There is a vmware tool you can get on free trial right now that does exactly that |
| 20:50.02 | XrMb2 | you'll have to create a virtual installation |
| 20:50.07 | XrMb2 | oh, what? |
| 20:50.13 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: Its a beta I think |
| 20:50.14 | XrMb2 | seriously?! ...i'm retared then |
| 20:50.29 | Firestarter | h3sp4wn: where can it be found? |
| 20:50.40 | Malagmyr | norc: I'm using quite a few different machines, with different different distros and even some windows machines (blerkh!). The problems mainly surface when transferring files between the different machines. I just want something to list all the strange filenames so I can fix them. |
| 20:51.21 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: Just gimmie a second I can find out |
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| 20:52.08 | norc | Malagmyr: then set all your machines to use unicode |
| 20:52.15 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/converter/ |
| 20:52.28 | Malagmyr | norc: not enough root |
| 20:52.45 | norc | Malagmyr: http://j3e.de/linux/convmv |
| 20:52.46 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: I have never used it (but someone recommended it to me) xen does everything I want / need |
| 20:52.53 | norc | Malagmyr: use that to convert filenames to utf8 |
| 20:52.56 | norc | or any other charset |
| 20:53.23 | Firestarter | h3sp4wn: can xen do load xp that already exists on a partition |
| 20:53.32 | Malagmyr | norc: thanks! i'll look into that |
| 20:53.57 | norc | Malagmyr: http://recode.progiciels-bpi.ca/ that one (or iconv, you will have that installed) will re-code the content of text files to other char sets |
| 20:54.07 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: No idea - don't use xp - but it can use real partitions (Needs VT instruction processor for XP though) |
| 20:54.14 | norc | (iconv) should come with glibc |
| 20:54.16 | Malagmyr | great! |
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| 20:56.40 | Firestarter | h3sp4wn: VT instruction processo? |
| 20:56.47 | XrMb2 | hey, pstickne |
| 20:56.55 | XrMb2 | this is the final text, http://paste.debian.net/16505 |
| 20:57.05 | XrMb2 | could anyone tell me if i should change something? |
| 20:57.22 | XrMb2 | it should sound formal |
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| 20:58.07 | XrMb2 | and what about |
| 20:58.18 | XrMb2 | Your IP-adress has been banned from attempting to login for the next 300 seconds. --how does this sound? |
| 20:58.21 | h3sp4wn | Firestarter: conroe or woodcrest intel core2 / xeon - or the am2 athlon's |
| 20:58.23 | ericrw | yes! my system is installing ;-) |
| 20:58.48 | XrMb2 | sry for my off-topic stuff here :> i just didn't find any public channel here which is open for any kind of talk |
| 20:58.57 | ericrw | (2.6.18-based installer - netboot ;-) |
| 20:59.00 | Firestarter | h3sp4wn: ok thanks |
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| 20:59.40 | littlebird | Hey get the word out on chemtrails people. |
| 20:59.47 | littlebird | The black ops part of the government is trying to poison and slowly kill it's population through the skies with it's chemtrail program. |
| 20:59.54 | littlebird | During clear skies, white spew planes at high altitude silently spew out long white lines of chemtrails. The first type of these trails consist of very fine aluminum particles. These dissapear from sight about as fast as normal plane contrail would. These heat up the atmosphere for better chemtrail dispersal. |
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| 21:00.14 | azeem | littlebird: you've been silenced for 10 minutes due to bein off-topic |
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| 21:00.21 | azeem | littlebird: please stay on topic |
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| 21:00.53 | XrMb2 | hey, come on...someone help me :> |
| 21:01.12 | Malagmyr | norc: do you happen to know which charset would be the most compatible with old debian installs? iso-8859-1? |
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| 21:01.46 | norc | Malagmyr: most likely, yes |
| 21:01.56 | norc | or iso-8859-15 |
| 21:02.02 | Malagmyr | norc: goodie |
| 21:02.13 | norc | Malagmyr: google may be your friend |
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| 21:02.22 | Malagmyr | sng: ... |
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| 21:03.47 | rem__ | . |
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| 21:09.05 | bilss_ | hi |
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| 21:10.14 | Abst | How do I generate a new X config file |
| 21:10.22 | pstickne | XrMb2, http://pastie.caboo.se/22284 |
| 21:10.26 | lord_rob | Abst: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:10.46 | Abst | It says its not installed |
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| 21:11.00 | lord_rob | Abst: xserver-xfree86 maybe |
| 21:11.05 | lord_rob | Abst: using sarge ? |
| 21:11.08 | Abst | Yeah |
| 21:11.11 | Abst | I do xfree86 |
| 21:11.14 | Abst | And it doesnt make xorg |
| 21:11.16 | lord_rob | then it's xfree86 |
| 21:11.19 | Abst | It does it all |
| 21:11.21 | Abst | But not xorg |
| 21:11.25 | Abst | xorg.conf that is |
| 21:11.31 | bilss_ | whatisthelinein sources.listfor source packages for sage at the moment i get: line 1: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 21:11.31 | bilss_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.53 | pstickne | XrMb2, pastie updated, refresh the page |
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| 21:12.53 | bilss_ | lord_rob:wasyour niick in past rob? |
| 21:15.31 | Abst | No one knows? |
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| 21:18.24 | Abst | Please? |
| 21:18.34 | angasule | the package libode (a physics library) hasn't been updated since 2005-08-05, how can I check the reason? is there an activity log for the mantainer, maybe? He seemed quite active on it until that date, so maybe the package is now without a maintainer |
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| 21:21.05 | pumpkin0 | stupid question: does a recent apache2 need a 2.6´er kernel to run ? |
| 21:21.16 | robin_sz | no |
| 21:21.34 | pumpkin0 | rob: thanks for the confirmation. |
| 21:21.36 | bokey | who said that ? |
| 21:22.13 | itchi | Abst: See /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 21:22.36 | pumpkin0 | bokey: join OFTC/#debian.de and enjoy .. |
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| 21:22.55 | Linux50 | hello everyone. How can i install nfs using apt-get? |
| 21:23.06 | pumpkin0 | Linux50: server or client ? |
| 21:23.07 | robin_sz | apt-get install nfs? |
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| 21:23.26 | Linux50 | server |
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| 21:23.33 | Abst | itchi, K |
| 21:23.34 | robin_sz | apt-cache search nfs will tell you the packages available |
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| 21:23.54 | XrMb2 | hey dude, thanks |
| 21:24.13 | Abst | itchi, Ive done that |
| 21:24.17 | Abst | The problem is it doesnt work! |
| 21:24.40 | itchi | Abst: Have it solved? |
| 21:24.44 | robin_sz | linux50 probably nfs-user-server |
| 21:24.45 | pumpkin0 | Linux50: "apt-get install nfs-user-server" will install all you need. |
| 21:24.46 | itchi | okay |
| 21:24.55 | itchi | Abst: What did you exactly? |
| 21:24.59 | Linux50 | okay |
| 21:25.06 | Linux50 | what is this: nfs-kernel-server - Kernel NFS server support |
| 21:25.08 | bokey | pumpkin0# ok =) |
| 21:25.08 | Abst | dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:25.14 | Abst | dpkg-reconfigure* |
| 21:25.25 | XrMb2 | what about: Your IP-adress has been banned from attempting to login for the next 300 seconds - ? |
| 21:25.42 | pumpkin0 | XrMb2: 300 secs is way tooo low. |
| 21:25.57 | itchi | Abst: Have you deleted that other config file? |
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| 21:26.05 | eeyore- | afternoon |
| 21:26.06 | Abst | itchi, What other config file |
| 21:26.59 | itchi | Abst: You have deleted your xfree config file? |
| 21:27.13 | Abst | I just did debian netinstall |
| 21:27.20 | Abst | The thing is there wasnt a config when I checked |
| 21:27.23 | Abst | And its not being generated |
| 21:27.30 | XrMb2 | hm |
| 21:27.45 | XrMb2 | shall i set 10 minutes? and what about that expression? |
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| 21:28.17 | itchi | Abst: Have you been x installed? |
| 21:28.18 | pumpkin0 | XrMb2: "Your IP-adress has been banned from login for the next 600 seconds" ? |
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| 21:28.28 | Abst | itchi, X is installed, I suppose. |
| 21:29.05 | XrMb2 | yes, this one |
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| 21:29.25 | XrMb2 | i mean, is it okay to say so? |
| 21:29.27 | itchi | Abst: On the end of the install, saw you not the 'tasksel' where you had need to select the job the computer have to do? Have you selected to install an "desktop environment"? |
| 21:29.40 | Abst | Yes |
| 21:29.47 | Abst | It installed desktop enviro |
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| 21:30.15 | pumpkin0 | XrMb2: it looks good... |
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| 21:30.29 | pstickne | XrMb2, don't even mention the IP address; unless someone is trying to crack into accounts it ought not to apply |
| 21:30.40 | pstickne | XrMb2, write it so the sensible user will understand it. |
| 21:30.50 | mick_linux | wow, spammed on entry |
| 21:30.55 | mick_linux | go figure |
| 21:31.01 | pstickne | mick_linux, spam, spam, spam |
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| 21:31.13 | XrMb2 | okay, thanks |
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| 21:33.07 | mick_linux | nalioth: [B]ebish1: member of #redhat and #debian <---- spammer |
| 21:33.50 | keyboarder | i got a problem with my sata drive not working: http://pastebin.ca/246097 |
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| 21:34.20 | mick_linux | nalioth: exact spam (minus a few letters to no make the spam more wide spread) -> http://www._____turk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 21:35.13 | Silent_Chaos`5D | you might be a bad person |
| 21:35.15 | nalioth | lovely |
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| 21:35.36 | amphi | itchi: I am now |
| 21:35.46 | angasule | the package libode (a physics library) hasn't been updated since 2005-08-05, how can I check the reason? is there an activity log for the mantainer, maybe? He seemed quite active on it until that date, so maybe the package is now without a maintainer, if it's a stupid question, please tell me so :) |
| 21:36.09 | pumpkin0 | keyboarder: disable the IDE-emu in the BIOS and build a proper SATA-kernel-module for your controller. |
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| 21:36.41 | itchi | amphi: It's reinstalled, system find that ieee80211 module now |
| 21:36.47 | keyboarder | pumpkin0 it's a laptop, no ide-emu option in the BIOS |
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| 21:37.10 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, strange was there have goes; i think for one or other reason the old kernel was screwed. |
| 21:37.33 | mick_linux | anyone have a cool recommendation for some spiffy app to download? i haven't looked over some of the lastest packages etc. -- I'm just looking for something spiffy to check out :) (i accidentally found d33desk -- and i thought that was pretty cool) |
| 21:37.36 | itchi | amphi: Okay, still need to get that card working :-p |
| 21:37.57 | mick_linux | i'm just bored :) |
| 21:38.31 | pumpkin0 | keyboarder: ibm ? |
| 21:38.38 | keyboarder | lenovo |
| 21:38.54 | pumpkin0 | keyboarder: go to thinkwiki.org and look for hints about the SATA. |
| 21:39.04 | mick_linux | i was also looking at some SuperKaramba themes... that just kicks Dashboard out of the water :) |
| 21:39.36 | itchi | amphi: So i only need to install that ipw3945 an ipw3945d of the ipw site? |
| 21:40.32 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: compiz ? |
| 21:40.53 | angasule | mick_linux: check xgl, and look at websites about KDE4 |
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| 21:41.13 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: sid only. and more or less broken. |
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| 21:42.16 | amphi | itchi: you've got the ieee80211 stuff for your kernel now? |
| 21:42.34 | mick_linux | what about project looking glass? how does that compare? |
| 21:42.50 | itchi | amphi: When i do modprobe ieee80211 he find the module. I have not install that stuff of that website |
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| 21:43.07 | amphi | itchi: good - don't ;) |
| 21:43.21 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, you know ;-) |
| 21:43.27 | amphi | itchi: yeah, try building the ipw3945 module |
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| 21:44.20 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: looking glass needs a java + java3d. It works but it´s not as useable as compiz ... if any of those are useable ... |
| 21:44.32 | mick_linux | heh |
| 21:44.51 | amphi | itchi: what's ipw3945d? the 'compliance daemon' or whatever it's called? |
| 21:44.59 | angasule | pumpkin0: have you used looking glass? I've seen that video, but never saw the point of it |
| 21:45.07 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: compiz "works" in etch if you hack it a bit. |
| 21:45.21 | mick_linux | i have etch |
| 21:45.43 | pumpkin0 | angasule: i had a copy installed some time ago. I didn´t see the point eighter.... |
| 21:45.59 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: are you the risk-taking kind of user ? |
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| 21:46.16 | mick_linux | i see: "can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server." - where do i configure thatttt? |
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| 21:46.41 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: i'm running K crypto - that should say something |
| 21:46.48 | angasule | pumpkin0: anything more than what was shown in the video? xgl does have a couple of good things, like transparency and speed (the cube is completely useless, but nice to show off) |
| 21:46.52 | therealbigusdick | following problem with vi (or bash?) I do have a text file compressed with zip |
| 21:46.57 | therealbigusdick | in the shell if i do |
| 21:47.01 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: run "apt-get update". aiglx is already in etch. |
| 21:47.08 | mick_linux | oh ok |
| 21:47.09 | therealbigusdick | vi <firstletter of the file>TAB |
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| 21:47.16 | therealbigusdick | the name of the file is not autocompleted |
| 21:47.21 | itchi | amphi: I not understand |
| 21:47.22 | therealbigusdick | probably because it is a zip file |
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| 21:47.34 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: what kind of hacking do i need to do :) |
| 21:47.35 | therealbigusdick | but vim can open the file if I write the full name down |
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| 21:47.50 | therealbigusdick | what do to get autocompletion work in that case? |
| 21:47.55 | itchi | amphi: How build i that ipw3945 module? Is that only make in that ipw3945 tree ? |
| 21:47.57 | pumpkin0 | angasule: nope, nothing useful. |
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| 21:48.05 | amphi | itchi: yes |
| 21:48.11 | mick_linux | i can deal w/ "unstable stuff" -- i just don't like stuff where i can't fall back on to a working WM |
| 21:48.19 | amphi | itchi: read the INSTALL or README file |
| 21:48.23 | angasule | therealbigusdick: yeap, 'smart' autocomplete can be really dumb, it should prioritize rather than exclude |
| 21:48.40 | itchi | amphi: Yup i did |
| 21:48.42 | tonyb2006 | itchi: read you file README |
| 21:48.59 | amphi | tonyb2006: he has ;) |
| 21:49.01 | therealbigusdick | angasule, yes I think that is the problem, I activated today the /etc/bash_completion in my .bashrc |
| 21:49.03 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: the default settings are wrong (compiz tries to load a theme that does not exist, most 3D-drivers cannot do some things so you have to add 2-3 XAA-option in your xorg-config) |
| 21:49.24 | therealbigusdick | I will deactivate it and try to autocomplete my zip file name ... |
| 21:49.25 | amphi | itchi: pastebin any errors you get |
| 21:49.33 | mick_linux | ok, i'll give it a try |
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| 21:49.40 | itchi | amphi: Because when i do then ./load debug=0 i still get 2006-11-11 23:49:07: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 21:49.40 | mick_linux | thanks pumpkin0 |
| 21:49.45 | amphi | itchi: is the daemon part of that, or a separate tarball? |
| 21:49.54 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: and the fallback is esay. if you have KDE = > "kwin --replace". |
| 21:50.08 | itchi | amphi: It's the ipw3945 (not d) |
| 21:50.12 | angasule | therealbigusdick: of course, you can type "v za<TAB>" and then go back and change 'v' to 'vi' :) |
| 21:50.12 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: also do you mind if i ask you a question if i can't figure this out ;) |
| 21:50.17 | amphi | itchi: does ifconfig -a show the interface? |
| 21:50.33 | amphi | itchi: you mentioned ipw3945d above... |
| 21:50.43 | angasule | therealbigusdick: err, 'za' is the beginning of the zip file, sorry, my zipfile starts with za |
| 21:50.45 | therealbigusdick | ok without /etc/bash_autocompletion stuff it works fine as expected (of course it will autocomplete for everything an mp3 file too, sigh) |
| 21:51.12 | itchi | amphi: He not see it, amphi Yeah need we not to install ipw3945 and ipw3945d ? |
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| 21:51.46 | amphi | itchi: I think you need both - read the info on the site, I don't have that card |
| 21:51.47 | therealbigusdick | angasule, you mean with /etc/bash_completion running and using vi it should autocomplete the .zip file? |
| 21:52.06 | itchi | amphi: Yup, i have installed the both |
| 21:52.18 | amphi | itchi: is the daemon running? |
| 21:52.28 | angasule | therealbigusdick: no, I mean, the 'smart' autocompletion checks what program you want to run, if you type 'v' instead of 'vi', it won't look for text files only |
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| 21:52.50 | amphi | itchi: what do the docs say? if the module built ok, and the daemon, then just follow the instructions ;) |
| 21:53.17 | amphi | itchi: does it need firmware? if so, is it installed, and the correct version for the module version? |
| 21:53.24 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i did, but just forgot that firmware right now |
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| 21:53.39 | therealbigusdick | angasule, oh OK! I understand now, and tested that workaround just now :) |
| 21:54.08 | amphi | itchi: heh - you should see a message about that in the log; tail -f /var/log/syslog in a spare term is useful for debugging such stuff |
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| 21:54.39 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: i will be off in 10 min, read http://pastebin.com/822127 or ask now. |
| 21:54.49 | amphi | itchi: or have syslog dumped always to a spare VT and/or something like root-tail in X |
| 21:54.52 | IamEthos | where do I put like sshd and cups to run them at startup? |
| 21:55.17 | therealbigusdick | angasule, but could be this a bug.. somewhere in the bash_completion code? Note that autocompletion works with vi for .gz files. Maybe the person who coded that autocomplation wasn't aware vim is able to see the contents of zip files. |
| 21:55.19 | pumpkin0 | IamEthos: if you installed debian-style these are run at startup. |
| 21:55.21 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: that should do just fine. thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 21:55.41 | angasule | therealbigusdick: it can see the content of zip files? I didn't know! |
| 21:55.51 | therealbigusdick | angasule, sure it can I just tested it |
| 21:55.58 | IamEthos | pumpkin0, if I installed debian-style? |
| 21:56.00 | IamEthos | what does that mean? |
| 21:56.07 | IamEthos | if I installed them with apt-get? |
| 21:56.15 | therealbigusdick | angasule, it opens a buffer with the contents |
| 21:56.16 | pumpkin0 | IamEthos: apt-get install or aptitude or dselect. |
| 21:56.21 | therealbigusdick | " zip.vim version v9 |
| 21:56.25 | IamEthos | okay |
| 21:56.26 | IamEthos | cool |
| 21:56.30 | therealbigusdick | " Browsing zipfile ...myfile.txt |
| 21:56.36 | therealbigusdick | " Select a file with cursor and press ENTER |
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| 21:56.39 | therealbigusdick | pretty cool feature |
| 21:56.48 | itchi | amphi: Man!! |
| 21:56.59 | itchi | !beer everyone |
| 21:57.01 | pumpkin0 | IamEthos: for all other cases: read the readmes in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/initd |
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| 21:57.18 | amphi | itchi: it is t3h wr0k? |
| 21:57.38 | itchi | amphi: My error was to do ./load debug as normal user; stupid :-/ |
| 21:57.48 | amphi | !lart itchi |
| 21:57.50 | itchi | amphi: Looks like it is loaded now |
| 21:57.55 | itchi | yup :-p |
| 21:58.00 | IamEthos | okay, I need a good, light GUI media player/cd player |
| 21:58.04 | amphi | itchi: so now ifconfig -a should show the iface |
| 21:58.12 | IamEthos | I'm using xfce, so Amarok would be out, correct? |
| 21:58.15 | amphi | itchi: or iwconfig for that matter |
| 21:58.26 | therealbigusdick | hm the fix seems pretty easy |
| 21:58.28 | IamEthos | (not that it's all that light, I just like it) |
| 21:58.35 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, he have find it :-p |
| 21:58.40 | itchi | amphi: Now i know my way |
| 21:58.43 | amphi | itchi: w00t |
| 21:58.48 | pumpkin0 | IamEthos: add the unoffical multimedia repos and get mplayer. |
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| 21:58.51 | amphi | itchi: didn't take too long ;) |
| 21:58.54 | itchi | amphi: I was sure i was doing somethings stupid. lol |
| 21:59.08 | itchi | amphi: I did always the same error lol |
| 21:59.39 | amphi | itchi: using the sf ieee80211 stuff? |
| 21:59.39 | itchi | amphi: That's why when you not realy know how to do it, that it can looks dificult; but it's easy in reality |
| 21:59.48 | itchi | amphi: Nope, that of debian |
| 22:00.06 | amphi | itchi: what was 'always the same error'? |
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| 22:00.14 | itchi | amphi: Just have take that ipw3945 and the 'd' of the sf site |
| 22:00.22 | itchi | amphi: Yup; near |
| 22:00.44 | amphi | itchi: yeah, it actually is quite simple; the daemon is a PITA though, and as you need fw anyway, I don't see the point |
| 22:00.49 | angasule | bah, libode is at version 0.5-5 in debian, so old :( |
| 22:00.58 | itchi | amphi: But i had first that trouble because i had install that stuff of sf while the kernel had it already, then i had an confilict that i had not could solve it |
| 22:01.08 | dvs | !info libode |
| 22:01.09 | amphi | itchi: ipw2200 has no such 'innovation', but no 'a' either |
| 22:01.27 | amphi | itchi: yeah, that's what your original pastebin said ;) |
| 22:01.39 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, sorry about my complains here the last 3 days; and was my stupid error, shuuut ;-) |
| 22:01.49 | itchi | amphi: Yes; right |
| 22:02.00 | amphi | itchi: no worries, I didn't see most of them ;) |
| 22:02.05 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/822135 |
| 22:02.09 | amphi | itchi: so now the NIC ;) |
| 22:02.21 | itchi | amphi: Good; i can note it down; like i write an little article for my laptop for on linux on laptop |
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| 22:02.28 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, now the nic :-) |
| 22:02.48 | amphi | itchi: realtek gigabit IIRC? |
| 22:02.53 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: nvida ? |
| 22:03.39 | itchi | amphi: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 22:03.51 | amphi | itchi: you just have to make up your mind whether to use in-kernel ieee80211 support, or not; if you use a distro kernel, you don't get to choose ;) |
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| 22:04.08 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: or asking the oher way round: why does glxinfo not exist ... no 3D installed ? |
| 22:04.09 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: not sure to be honest: lspci tells me: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03) |
| 22:04.15 | amphi | itchi: ISTR I gave you a url for a driver source tarball for that some days ago ;) |
| 22:04.54 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: urgh. OK, that one will be a bit difficult. can you paste your xorg.conf ? |
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| 22:05.05 | mick_linux | sure |
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| 22:05.23 | dan2 | what's the sysfs flag for the maximum number of file descriptors? |
| 22:05.27 | itchi | amphi: Yup; i have that here somelse; i have got there also an error. Wait need to look, sure it's somethings stupid ;-) |
| 22:05.45 | amphi | itchi: BTW, how much more recalcitrant hw do you have? ;) |
| 22:05.49 | itchi | amphi: Gona take some coffee and the night will be good ;-) |
| 22:05.55 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 22:06.00 | Eclipser | any idea how much cdebootstrap downloads? :) (pbuilder uses it...) |
| 22:06.20 | amphi | itchi: yeah, a small victory improves the mood ;) |
| 22:06.22 | krazykit | Eclipser: uh, not a whole ton, as i recall. a few hundred megs? definately less than a gig. |
| 22:06.32 | itchi | amphi: The video card, the 3D is not like i want, look tooo slow at my eyes. But the rest works very good |
| 22:06.33 | dvs | amphi: irish coffee? |
| 22:06.51 | amphi | dvs: aye ;) |
| 22:07.01 | Eclipser | krazykit, let's hope so, my flatmate will whine about lagging soon I'd say :p |
| 22:07.08 | itchi | amphi: Just many little detail like power saving; cpu scaling and so, but that's the game for the ne 2 weweeks ;-) |
| 22:07.22 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/246118 |
| 22:07.28 | amphi | itchi: what cpu? |
| 22:07.29 | itchi | amphi: ohyeah, that little trouble in the console also |
| 22:07.44 | pumpkin0 | Eclipser: it creates about 250 MB of files ... and it downloads compressed packages. |
| 22:07.55 | krazykit | Eclipser: just give him a good thumping, or do it at night. |
| 22:07.55 | Eclipser | ok |
| 22:08.02 | Eclipser | krazykit, it's night :p |
| 22:08.05 | itchi | amphi: Duo core T2050 1.6GHZ 2MB cache |
| 22:08.11 | Eclipser | krazykit, 00:08 |
| 22:08.21 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: there is a missing EndSection in there (copy/paste error) |
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| 22:08.28 | krazykit | Eclipser: ah. it's only 5pm here across the pond :-P |
| 22:08.29 | mick_linux | at the end |
| 22:08.54 | Eclipser | krazykit, we're nightflies |
| 22:09.03 | itchi | amphi: For the few time i have this laptop, i find it realy amazing. Btw it's my first brand new laptop |
| 22:09.46 | amphi | itchi: no idea about that, but have a look under /sys/devices/system/cpu/ |
| 22:10.13 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: does not matter. I´m not sure, but the savage-driver didn´t have 3D-support last time i looked. I´m search about xorg and savage now to be sure. |
| 22:10.14 | itchi | amphi: I have look in less /proc/cpuinf |
| 22:10.22 | amphi | itchi: somewhere under there you should see cpufreq stuff; if not, you should load the appropriate module for that cpu |
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| 22:10.59 | amphi | itchi: perhaps that shows up as multiple cpus in sysfs, dunno |
| 22:11.01 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, just discover it ;-) |
| 22:11.14 | amphi | itchi: you find scaling_governor? |
| 22:11.25 | amphi | itchi: a file of that name |
| 22:11.26 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: it does have now ... OK, let´s install mesa. |
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| 22:12.04 | mick_linux | apt-get install mesa? |
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| 22:12.28 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: close: "apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri". |
| 22:13.14 | mick_linux | libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 22:13.23 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: ^ |
| 22:13.35 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: put the Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" into the device-section of the savage-card. hmm ... wait a sec. |
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| 22:14.16 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: install mesa-utils. |
| 22:15.27 | amphi | itchi: I'm afk for a bit, I'll ping when I return |
| 22:16.15 | itchi | amphi: ok; man; already many thanks man; many ;-) |
| 22:16.16 | mick_linux | ok, did it: |
| 22:16.21 | mick_linux | compiz --replace |
| 22:16.23 | mick_linux | /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
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| 22:16.43 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: fix the xorg.conf and restart X. Then run glxinfo and post the output. |
| 22:16.58 | mick_linux | ok, brb |
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| 22:18.44 | Eclipser | that's funny |
| 22:18.55 | Eclipser | the cdebootstrap is downloading from ftp.jp.debian.org |
| 22:19.26 | Eclipser | ftp.fi.debian.org would be too close I guess... only about 1km from here |
| 22:19.59 | peterS | Eclipser: hehe |
| 22:20.10 | pumpkin0 | Eclipser: it may be closer in the real world, but IP-ranges do not work that way. |
| 22:20.16 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 22:21.04 | peterS | pumpkin0: we also aren't talking about IP ranges, but DNS names, which are not always the same thing |
| 22:21.19 | peterS | i.e., there is no guarantee that ftp.fi.debian.org is in .fi |
| 22:22.45 | Eclipser | debhelper doesn't like to put my manpage in the package :< |
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| 22:25.14 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: i'm back - i had to login w/ another box |
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| 22:25.29 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: i did say: fix the xorg.conf first. |
| 22:25.30 | mick_linux | it didn't like what i did :D |
| 22:25.34 | mick_linux | i did |
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| 22:25.46 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: that is the error-msg ? |
| 22:25.58 | mick_linux | i need to restart ir |
| 22:26.00 | mick_linux | it* |
| 22:26.16 | mick_linux | it doesn't take keyboard input |
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| 22:26.39 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: did the mouse work ? |
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| 22:26.50 | mick_linux | yes |
| 22:27.08 | mick_linux | and the windowing was a bit messed up |
| 22:27.15 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: was that in compiz or with the normal KDE? |
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| 22:27.20 | mick_linux | like no border |
| 22:27.34 | mick_linux | compiz |
| 22:27.54 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: that sounds like a error in gtk-....-decorator and the no-update bug. |
| 22:28.39 | mick_linux | hmm :-/ |
| 22:28.54 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: to get the gtk-window-decorator-msg: run "gtk-window-decorator --replace". If that crashs type blindly: "ctrl-Z kwin --replace" |
| 22:29.12 | amphi | itchi: back |
| 22:29.47 | amphi | itchi: did you find the cpufreq stuff? |
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| 22:30.33 | itchi | amphi: Not yet have look to ;-) Writing the stuff down i did for that linux on laptop article |
| 22:30.42 | amphi | itchi: cool |
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| 22:30.56 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: i get - compiz.real: support for non power of 2 textures missing, failed to manage screen :0, no manageable screens found on 0:0 |
| 22:31.10 | amphi | itchi: let me know what error you get with the realtek module when you have another go at it |
| 22:31.27 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: libGL warning: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x42 |
| 22:31.47 | itchi | amphi: Okay, many thanks for your help man ;-) |
| 22:31.56 | pstickne | is there a util to defrag fat32 filesystems in linux? |
| 22:32.00 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: does not matter. Anything unusuall on the screen ? |
| 22:32.03 | pstickne | my USB drive is getting trashed. |
| 22:32.06 | itchi | amphi: I need to write the things down, like there is no an article about this brand/model |
| 22:32.20 | amphi | itchi: uhuh |
| 22:32.31 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: and run/post glxinfo. |
| 22:32.36 | amphi | itchi: what was it again? H-P? |
| 22:32.39 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: same missing window decorations... kwin --replace worked to get back |
| 22:32.44 | itchi | amphi: Toshiba Satellite A110-178 |
| 22:32.46 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: ok |
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| 22:33.07 | amphi | itchi: oh, toshiba... |
| 22:33.14 | itchi | amphi: Is that not right? |
| 22:33.42 | amphi | itchi: toshiba's can be a pain in my [limited] experience |
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| 22:33.59 | pumpkin0 | is there a better/more up-to-date webserver for the informations http://packages.debian.org provides ? I want the changelog for a package in unstable. |
| 22:34.07 | pstickne | not as much as HP/dell (if we're talking laptops) |
| 22:34.24 | keyboarder | how should one build kernels from debian linux-source packages? |
| 22:34.26 | amphi | pstickne: never had to deal with either of those |
| 22:34.30 | pumpkin0 | itchi: i can confirm he pain-part on toshs... |
| 22:34.34 | mick_linux | well i can't use kb input once i click away from the active window |
| 22:35.00 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: hmmm ... ok, i didn´t know that one. |
| 22:35.08 | amphi | itchi: still, nothing bad so far - the wifi driver is pretty straight forward ;) |
| 22:36.27 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: anything particular that you are looking for in glxinfo ? |
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| 22:37.01 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, that is only an little detail at my eyes. Once you know how to install that particular driver it's ok. I find this lapy works very fine and with Debian! That's the importantest; that i not need to use that Windows |
| 22:37.45 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: texture from pixmap and the info about dri. |
| 22:38.14 | amphi | itchi: indeed |
| 22:38.57 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, sure i want and need that on this laptop everythings need to be work. So that i can show to all my friends ;-) |
| 22:39.40 | amphi | itchi: and, even, enjoy yourself, perhaps ;) |
| 22:39.48 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: nothing that i can see |
| 22:40.04 | itchi | amphi: The friends are always flashing with stuff that there are available in GNU/Linux, hope i get more his attention now ;-) |
| 22:40.20 | keyboarder | !kernel |
| 22:40.21 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.2, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc5-git2, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc5-mm1 |
| 22:40.35 | mick_linux | is there a way to copy text and paste in another screen (like from alt+7 to alt+2) |
| 22:41.00 | tabris|away | mick_linux: gpm |
| 22:41.03 | jelly-home | itchi: also tell them how much time you spent on actually making it work. |
| 22:41.15 | itchi | amphi: I'm always happy with Debian :-) No more with that Wintendo |
| 22:41.42 | keyboarder | is there some preferated way to build kernels from debian linux-source packages? |
| 22:41.46 | mick_linux | tabris|away: i can only use the mouse w/ alt+7 |
| 22:42.06 | itchi | jelly-home: Maybe, but at least you can defin_what_ you wantnt to do when you press the button number 3 of your controller |
| 22:42.14 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: (restarting X by pressing ctrl-alt-backspce is the best way to get X back) check "http://pastebin.com/822162". i marked 3 places ... |
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| 22:42.19 | itchi | Yeah, need to fix this console |
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| 22:42.54 | admin__ | anyone know a game/app that measure reaction time of your click? |
| 22:43.11 | mick_linux | heh, before that didn't even work :) |
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| 22:43.43 | itchi | jelly-home: Some people like it to screw his own his computer; like others like to wash manually the car; everyone can take his taste |
| 22:43.49 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: console => /etc/initd/kdm restart |
| 22:44.06 | itchi | jelly-home: Sure GNU/Linux is not ideal for everyone; but for some yes |
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| 22:44.25 | amphi | itchi: what's wrong with your console? |
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| 22:44.27 | mick_linux | well, i can just do that w/ kde instead of compiz |
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| 22:45.13 | admin__ | anyone know a game/app that measure reaction time of your click? |
| 22:45.26 | itchi | amphi: Some time when i press an unbound?? key, the console are a bit messed up; some strange caracters appair and the text have a bit moved. Strange to explain. I think it's related to the app screen |
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| 22:46.29 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: pastebin.ca/246149 |
| 22:46.34 | itchi | amphi: When i have pressend an unbound key, i want to backspace it, but then after i press the enter key, i realy see (how crap) the text was |
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| 22:47.10 | amphi | itchi: stuff like '^[[1~' ? |
| 22:47.10 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: OK, that looks good. |
| 22:47.10 | itchi | amphi: yup |
| 22:47.10 | mick_linux | pumpkin0: that is why it is called "testing" ;) |
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| 22:47.31 | itchi | amphi: And when you delete it, and on the screen it's looks right, press enter, and it's not right ;-) |
| 22:47.57 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: testing will turn stable in about 1 month ... And i hate crashing / broken stuff in stable. |
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| 22:48.06 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: so file a RC bug. |
| 22:48.07 | mick_linux | ya |
| 22:48.07 | amphi | itchi: what happens when you hit enter? |
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| 22:48.23 | mick_linux | RC 1 installer should be coming out today or tomarrow |
| 22:48.28 | itchi | amphi: It's looks then a bit differents like i saw it on my screen |
| 22:48.34 | amphi | itchi: in zsh I use bindkey to bind the keys to something, not sure about bash |
| 22:48.39 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: done that 2 weeks ago for compiz 0.2.0 ... didn´t help. |
| 22:48.48 | itchi | amphi: Yup bash here |
| 22:48.51 | amphi | itchi: that's not very clear ;) |
| 22:49.02 | pumpkin0 | mick_linux: try to find your bug here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=compiz;dist=unstable . I´m off, cu |
| 22:49.09 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: Did it get fixed or just demoted? |
| 22:49.14 | _Sketch_ | Debian Etch, kernel 2.6.18.1, Intel-made i830 graphics card (built-in). How do I setup OpenGL? |
| 22:49.14 | itchi | amphi: I use bash i mean |
| 22:49.23 | amphi | itchi: you mean sometimes doing that turns characters into garbage? |
| 22:49.36 | itchi | amphi: But strange, because in an another console i have not that trouble, only with screen |
| 22:49.38 | amphi | itchi: I meant 'It's looks then a bit differents like i saw it on my screen' |
| 22:49.52 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, sorry, im not clear |
| 22:50.00 | amphi | itchi: oh, only screen - what keys do this in screen? |
| 22:50.21 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: I think it should "just work" in testing/unstable, if you have chosen the correct driver for Xorg. |
| 22:50.27 | mick_linux | the weird thing is that i see kde w/o borders - not compiz |
| 22:50.50 | mick_linux | thanks pumpkin0 |
| 22:50.55 | itchi | amphi: When these strange characters appair, i want to delete these and not send it here. So i press backspace. But it looks what i see then on screen is not realy what it is. Because when i press then enter there are then some faults i had think corrected |
| 22:51.02 | amphi | itchi: for example, in my ~/.zshrc I have stuff like "bindkey '\e[1~' beginning-of-line # Home" |
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| 22:51.11 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Unfortunately, it just isn't working. It may or may not have to do with my recent migration from Gnome to KDE... |
| 22:51.24 | itchi | amphi: I have not define any keybinding |
| 22:51.29 | mick_linux | jelly-home: so how do i know what the "correct driver" is? |
| 22:51.29 | amphi | itchi: perhaps it's inputrc for bash? |
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| 22:51.40 | daeos | how would i be able to view all of the currently made groups ? |
| 22:51.41 | itchi | amphi: To be honest, i not know |
| 22:51.45 | daeos | user groups |
| 22:51.47 | jelly-home | mick_linux: i810 for Intel's cards. |
| 22:51.54 | itchi | amphi: Have never do that |
| 22:52.08 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home, mick_linux: I have indeed installed those.. |
| 22:52.24 | amphi | itchi: anyway, it's fixable ;) the console howto at tldp.org or a bash howto will explain how to do it; or even man screen/bash |
| 22:52.24 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: oh, gnome or kde have nothing to do with it. |
| 22:52.48 | itchi | amphi: Yeah sure ;-) Have not yet give it a try to fix it, i must say ;-) |
| 22:52.59 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: is it a kernel from the distro or your own? |
| 22:53.05 | itchi | amphi: First getting these stuff here working :-) |
| 22:53.08 | amphi | itchi: get the hw working first ;) |
| 22:53.20 | mick_linux | _Sketch_: have you gotten compiz working on one of the savage cards? |
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| 22:53.28 | itchi | amphi: Sure ;-) and writting the note |
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| 22:53.36 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: My own. I compiled it with support for i810, of course.. Savage cards? |
| 22:53.41 | m0dY | does debian install on sun machines ???? |
| 22:53.59 | amphi | itchi: you must have finished the ipw3945 section by now... |
| 22:54.08 | d11 | I dont know if this is the right room, but ill ask anyway, I have prob with booting my kernel (2.6.17). I installed it with apt-get install linux-image... (it worked fine with 2.6.8) but now wenn i boot the kernel i get a fatal error about .....2.6.8-3-686/modules.dep not found. then i get the initramfs promp and can ls to the directory and find 2.6.17-2-686(which is the kernel i want to boot) in the modules directory as its suposed to. Why is it trying |
| 22:54.11 | amphi | itchi: choose the font later ;) |
| 22:54.18 | itchi | amphi: Not yet complete, but near the end :-) |
| 22:54.22 | itchi | amphi: heh ;-) |
| 22:54.37 | d0uglas | hey what's the name of the package with the avi splitter in it? |
| 22:54.38 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: I usually put DRI drivers as modules so I can change them for dri-cvs if need arise. |
| 22:54.42 | itchi | amphi: I write it in my cms that i have called 'guicms' :-) |
| 22:54.48 | dvs | d11: because GRUB or LILO is still pointing to 2.6.8 |
| 22:54.50 | mick_linux | _Sketch_: i don't know what card i have: lspci says: 01:00 VGA compatable controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03) |
| 22:54.58 | amphi | itchi: ah, no wonder it's slow ;) |
| 22:55.14 | amphi | itchi: just write it in vim like a normal person... |
| 22:55.21 | _Sketch_ | mick_linux: Hmm.. I would *imagine* that's ProSavage, but I'm no expert. |
| 22:55.22 | daeos | how do i add a group and add users to the group? |
| 22:55.25 | dvs | mick_linux: that looks like a built in video card |
| 22:55.26 | itchi | amphi: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
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| 22:56.03 | mick_linux | dvs: yes builtin |
| 22:56.21 | itchi | amphi: Or with 'note', But remeber, i lost this install, i had then lost all the notes about it. I more like to take safty when i test |
| 22:56.26 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: DRI drivers are.. where? Just to check.. |
| 22:56.50 | pstickne | so, uhm, anyone ever partition fat32 from linux? |
| 22:56.51 | itchi | amphi: The database need to be are sync, the article you not yet see it there |
| 22:57.02 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: hmm... http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ for intel |
| 22:57.02 | pstickne | s/partition/defragment/ |
| 22:57.03 | d11 | dvs: but, it loads the modules of the new kernel to the ramdisk and then tries to acctually load the old ones, that doesnt make any sense. Lilo is pointing to initrd and vmlinuz which in turn point to what their supposed to. oh wait, ill check that again |
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| 22:57.53 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: on the download page, "DRM kernel module". |
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| 22:58.02 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: I was wondering where it would be in the kernel's 'menuconfig' actually.. But okay.. |
| 22:58.19 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: or, I don't remember exactly. |
| 22:58.29 | amphi | itchi: you don't have /home on a separate partition? |
| 22:58.46 | itchi | amphi: On that little server? |
| 22:58.49 | itchi | amphi: Nope |
| 22:58.57 | amphi | itchi: on your laptop |
| 22:59.03 | itchi | amphi: That also |
| 22:59.06 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Looks like I compiled it in all right. |
| 22:59.21 | itchi | amphi: I gona short it, and then add it |
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| 22:59.38 | amphi | itchi: it's a good idea - you would have lost none of your stuff reinstalling with separate /home |
| 22:59.39 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: (device drivers -> character devices -> DRM, BTW) |
| 22:59.57 | itchi | amphi: I'm test it first, then again format and the last will be good. So i'm sure that the notes are right |
| 23:00.07 | itchi | amphi: Yup, that also ;-) |
| 23:00.20 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: yep, that's it. You should also have correct agpgart in, too |
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| 23:00.29 | amphi | itchi: follow your own instructions, and see if it works? ;) |
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| 23:01.00 | itchi | amphi: Normally i make differents partitions, just not when i test. Like sure i go to remove it |
| 23:01.25 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: That's a-go, too. |
| 23:02.06 | d11 | dvs: this is in my lilo.conf: image=/vmlinuz read-only initrd=/initrd.img |
| 23:02.29 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: hmm. do you have libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx installed? |
| 23:02.33 | dvs | d11: so what does /vmlinux and /initrd.img point to? |
| 23:03.01 | d11 | dvs: they point to initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-2-686 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 23:03.20 | dvs | d11: did you run lilo after the change? |
| 23:03.21 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Coincidentally, I just installed them. I have no idea what -removed- them.. |
| 23:03.28 | d11 | dvs: jep |
| 23:03.40 | d11 | and it loads fine |
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| 23:04.10 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: I just installed them.. and -haven't- rebooted yet...? |
| 23:04.20 | d11 | is there someother files which tell the system what modules to load? |
| 23:04.28 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: no need to reboot, just restart X |
| 23:04.40 | dvs | d11: /etc/modules |
| 23:04.53 | itchi | amphi: Yup, as last, i redo the whole installation following my intructions to see if i have not forget somethings |
| 23:04.58 | tnks | I had Windows 2000 dual-booting for the longest time, but XP doesn't seem to work with the same setup. Is this something that sounds familar? |
| 23:05.01 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Aah.. How do I do that cleanly? ;) |
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| 23:05.24 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: log out / log in if you use gdm/kdm/xdm |
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| 23:05.33 | tnks | I use Grub with some driver remappings (hd0->hd1, hd1->hd0). |
| 23:05.43 | tnks | But I'm getting a disk error with XP. |
| 23:05.45 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: uncleanly: ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X |
| 23:05.52 | dvs | !info module-init-tools sarge |
| 23:05.54 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Yeah, I know that one. :D |
| 23:05.58 | dpkg | module-init-tools: (tools for managing Linux kernel modules), section admin, is important. Version: 3.2-pre1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
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| 23:06.08 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Thanks. Here I go. |
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| 23:06.22 | unseensoul | hi |
| 23:06.40 | tnks | I had windows installed clean on hd1, and Debian installed on hd0 (grub on MBR or hd0). |
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| 23:08.18 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: you should have lines mentioning drm in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log not unlike this: (II) I810(0): [drm] created "i915" driver at busid "pci:0000:00:02.0" |
| 23:08.39 | tonyb2006 | anyone know if r300 does Radeon Xpress 200M yet |
| 23:08.46 | tonyb2006 | i get an error when i try to use it |
| 23:08.55 | tonyb2006 | saying its not supported |
| 23:09.02 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Exactly like that. |
| 23:09.29 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: also check glxinfo for "direct rendering: yes", and an improvement in glxgears -printfps |
| 23:10.03 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: There's a distinct lack of any programs beginning with 'gl'. :/ |
| 23:10.28 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: package is called something like mesa-utils I think |
| 23:10.37 | tonyb2006 | glade-2 glib-gettextize glxdemo glxinfo |
| 23:10.38 | tonyb2006 | glib-config glib-mkenums glxgears |
| 23:10.38 | tonyb2006 | glib-genmarshal glurp glxheads |
| 23:10.57 | unseensoul | which package contains the "enable" app? |
| 23:11.12 | tonyb2006 | zsh: usr/share/zsh/help/enable |
| 23:11.17 | _Sketch_ | direct rendering: no. |
| 23:11.20 | _Sketch_ | Blast. |
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| 23:11.43 | _Sketch_ | Would Composite X have anything to do with that? |
| 23:11.53 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: what about glxinfo|grep renderer ? |
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| 23:12.08 | _Sketch_ | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 23:12.23 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: hm. It doesn't work yet, then. |
| 23:12.37 | DavidProck1981 | has any one used a USB Drive to boot and install etch useing the net install iso |
| 23:12.56 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: I like your use of the word 'yet'. ;) |
| 23:13.32 | dvs | DavidProck1981: I have one of those USB drives but I actually haven't used it to install debian. |
| 23:13.35 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: try #xorg, and make sure you have your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log handy, that's probably the first thing they'll ask for. |
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| 23:13.57 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: *nod* |
| 23:14.27 | DavidProck1981 | well it puts grub on the hdd but when it boots it waits for the usb brive |
| 23:14.45 | DavidProck1981 | and then it cant read the drive |
| 23:14.50 | DavidProck1981 | usb |
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| 23:17.19 | DavidProck1981 | did i kill the room with that statment |
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| 23:18.45 | DavidProck1981 | for there to be 675 people in this room and no one is talking , Well all i got to say is WOW, WOH WOW |
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| 23:19.03 | _Sketch_ | Yeah, it's a strange phenomenon, actually. |
| 23:19.33 | cusco | you would be amazed with the number of people that idle here |
| 23:19.43 | DavidProck1981 | if this was yahoo test would be flying by so fast u could not read it |
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| 23:19.56 | DavidProck1981 | text* |
| 23:20.15 | cusco | go back to yahoo text then! |
| 23:20.27 | unseensoul | lol |
| 23:20.36 | DavidProck1981 | nah, just a bunch of stupid people there |
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| 23:20.44 | cusco | here too |
| 23:20.58 | DavidProck1981 | not as many |
| 23:21.03 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 23:21.07 | DavidProck1981 | if so |
| 23:21.09 | cusco | thats why the text doesn't "fly" |
| 23:21.37 | DavidProck1981 | ok scrool, smartie |
| 23:21.50 | black_13 | i have just installed vncviewer for debian sarge when i minimize the vncwindow the program crashes |
| 23:22.02 | black_13 | is there a way to fix this |
| 23:22.39 | cusco | does it spits out anything on the console? |
| 23:22.55 | cusco | if you run it from a console, that is |
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| 23:23.52 | black_13 | funny now its work but the behavior i mentioned was when i ran it from konsole |
| 23:24.05 | black_13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.45 | black_13 | now its working |
| 23:24.50 | black_13 | go figure |
| 23:25.29 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home, #xorg seems rather.. dead. |
| 23:26.18 | Hadaka | what does this dependency mean? Depends: ghc6 (>= 6.4.2), ghc6 (<< 6.4.2+) |
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| 23:28.43 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: dunno, they answered my questions when I asked. Maybe there's a dri channel too. |
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| 23:28.57 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: granted this wasn't today. |
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| 23:30.08 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: I suppose you did actually ask the question? |
| 23:30.31 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: Maybe. What was the question, exactly? |
| 23:31.10 | _Sketch_ | jelly-home: I remarked that OpenGL wasn't working because I had no 'direct rendering'.. |
| 23:31.23 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: sounds about right. |
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| 23:31.58 | jelly-home | _Sketch_: dunno, there's also #dri |
| 23:32.46 | sparr | and stay dead! |
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| 23:39.02 | jamescarr | hey... is there a way to run ssh from the command line and include my password? |
| 23:39.05 | no_err | there are some config files left on /etc/init.d with names ending in dpkg.new or so, when exactly get those renamed when upgrade finishes ? |
| 23:39.14 | jamescarr | without using the keys |
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| 23:44.56 | azureal | is there a command to show me what tty i am in? (sorta like pwd) |
| 23:45.13 | amphi | azureal: tty ;) |
| 23:45.24 | azureal | lol, thx |
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| 23:46.59 | azureal | amphi, oh, what if I wanted to show all tty in use? |
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| 23:47.27 | amphi | azureal: who perhaps |
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| 23:47.57 | azureal | ah, yes, thx again =) |
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| 23:48.18 | azureal | channel limit? |
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| 23:48.51 | azureal | what if 16 people join |
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| 23:49.17 | narziii | er03 gpm holycow Angel-SL IamEthos GecKo` Tidus mdo CcSsNET |
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| 23:49.22 | narziii | a slept cosm0z` geemark bwlang__ Roey Halitherses sabbat |
| 23:49.24 | narziii | * Benutzer in #debian: EmleyMoor YogSothoth streuner Strider_ tsurk0 niroxx_ RazaMetaL p3n AhrAsyL CBG finrod seko__ Mitar PDani Celelibi nsx arieler215 Jean2 @ChanServ faw bobesponja Feax d0uglas balony Aubustou_ nothlit samiam WerdnaServer Jussi_ Lorvija Piet sva` jzu bier_ valdyn wojci Bitmaster camer0n pickett_ mrew Provito jelly-home icyfire0573 gungnir whadar LoneWlf dererk phogg bokey DaveyB [-NoX |
| 23:49.24 | azureal | lol |
| 23:49.24 | no_err | then we call it a trolley_bus *g* |
| 23:49.27 | Kim^J | KICK BAN! |
| 23:49.30 | narziii | -] scanf psycodad SerajewelKS guk dpkg rem__ mirezwer octobre |
| 23:49.31 | azureal | he was kicked in #gentoo |
| 23:49.31 | narziii | * Benutzer in #debian: Ugly_Duck Element14 cyzie stoned mk3y cydork cqst kakarot frido ArmEagle syntaxx Vince36 DoberMann[PullA] xorix solars cafuego Shachar linuxmigration ktwilight stray_ desti DaveLib wazzles xtr-III FinnTux JJ|Laptop e-type Zeit|awy CompWizrd k-man lowlevel insmod egypcio Alam_Debian jdjs69 eno flamesro1k ayaa clocker fluxi blujay groogs fridim adlpaf De_Mon bismark Ick rob owdondek_ |
| 23:49.35 | DaveyB | I hate it when people do that |
| 23:49.36 | narziii | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.39 | Eggo | Namehax, eh? |
| 23:49.43 | narziii | ke-Eyes keyboarder rE Piggy jshoenberger Coweater ApEtc |
| 23:49.43 | Vyrus001 | lol what the hell, is this bot in like evry chan ? |
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| 23:49.45 | narziii | * Benutzer in #debian: Gathond Barnes iter slon Adrian diesel multi_io ekix Eclipser asg nvzn vertigo znx amphi faked cricht0ff ekkikrist SpComb esleep theklone schitzo Kvant Lamperi poptix lilalinux anordby ShdB DerJamster petemc faljse dondek daedalus_ sts dort felipe Dunedan Nighteye sussudio rpc Rydekull jae Shadur CAiRO dendrite KlemenS Ferret zarkdav Rockj Gumli JoshH Ironhand M0ffe BasL Kobaz evil |
| 23:49.46 | Eggo | Send to /dev/null. |
| 23:49.48 | DaveyB | narziii, you are a fucking cock! |
| 23:49.54 | DaveyB | :) |
| 23:49.55 | unseensoul | Eggo, looooooool |
| 23:49.59 | Wyzard | Wasn't he doing that earlier today too? |
| 23:50.03 | Wyzard | different nick, same messages |
| 23:50.05 | _Sketch_ | Aah.. If you double-tab, can everyone see it? |
| 23:50.06 | CBG | ... Wtf? |
| 23:50.17 | azureal | i saw it like 10-15 min ago in #gentoo |
| 23:50.20 | henriquev | nalioth: \ emmemememem is doing Spam also |
| 23:50.21 | evilmnky | uhm |
| 23:50.26 | evilmnky | are all of the ops asleep ? |
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| 23:50.30 | emmemememem | * Benutzer in #debian: relaxed nalioth Wyzard lunitik azureal SHS` iLLf8d Heartsbane nst Abst angasule Pons dbw Bry-X anibal SunFish7 SkareCrow zor0 Eggo XrMb2 robin_sz g333k inimesekene GenNMX Evixion karrotx n00rul panthera action09 caplink811_log mirak sandman jugglinx__ cc_AFK craigevil ProtectYaNeck` mlowe eltopo TerminX fireba11 Seko_ bkw the_Cat rshakin linlin ralf-x apt abrotman ericrw anapiv |
| 23:50.33 | emmemememem | irtua slept cosm0z` geemark bwlang__ Roey Halitherses sabbat |
| 23:50.35 | emmemememem | * Benutzer in #debian: EmleyMoor YogSothoth streuner Strider_ tsurk0 niroxx_ RazaMetaL p3n AhrAsyL CBG finrod seko__ Mitar PDani Celelibi nsx arieler215 Jean2 @ChanServ faw bobesponja Feax d0uglas balony Aubustou_ nothlit samiam WerdnaServer Jussi_ Lorvija Piet sva` jzu bier_ valdyn wojci Bitmaster camer0n pickett_ mrew Provito jelly-home icyfire0573 gungnir whadar LoneWlf dererk phogg bokey DaveyB [ |
| 23:50.35 | azureal | hahaha lol |
| 23:50.37 | Abst | Grrrr |
| 23:50.40 | emmemememem | -NoX-] scanf psycodad SerajewelKS guk dpkg rem__ mirezwer octobre |
| 23:50.40 | eviltux | mmm |
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| 23:50.41 | henriquev | emmemememem: go to Hell. |
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| 23:50.42 | emmemememem | * Benutzer in #debian: Ugly_Duck Element14 cyzie stoned mk3y cydork cqst kakarot frido ArmEagle syntaxx Vince36 DoberMann[PullA] xorix solars cafuego Shachar linuxmigration ktwilight stray_ desti DaveLib wazzles xtr-III FinnTux JJ|Laptop e-type Zeit|awy CompWizrd k-man lowlevel insmod egypcio Alam_Debian jdjs69 eno flamesro1k ayaa clocker fluxi blujay groogs fridim adlpaf De_Mon bismark Ick rob owdon |
| 23:50.44 | eviltux | stop that |
| 23:50.47 | emmemememem | dek_ victorh jesseman_ colby verbose idealm Kinks denmaeth wakejagr |
| 23:50.49 | emmemememem | * Benutzer in #debian: peterrooney icub3d faust_ cpw Parhelion deadcat Agrajag- xuser FallenHitokiri radical__ aao_pwner Caelum h3sp4wn tonyb2006 xingu efaistos_ Sudo|Faderhval Malagmyr GTX nickm_ ldexter Loady_ g333k_work cmeme dserban kyuss nima alindeman MoDaX secher outlaw84 nlight pingouin ryan` SPF hggh RinzeWind tuvwx zinx lowkey tuv the_empty yang epsilon nextstate2 stroke69 cureless Ra1stlin |
| 23:51.00 | evilmnky | ? |
| 23:51.00 | Malagmyr | oh shut it |
| 23:51.00 | DaveyB | nalioth, is an IRC operator? |
| 23:51.00 | Eggo | Sent to /dev/null |
| 23:51.01 | KoluCCi | WTF is going on? |
| 23:51.03 | Abst | Thankyou nalioth |
| 23:51.06 | eviltux | 10x nalioth |
| 23:51.14 | azureal | killed by nalioth lol |
| 23:51.14 | Eggo | Namehax raid, it seems. |
| 23:51.19 | henriquev | DaveyB: no, he is a serial killer |
| 23:51.21 | evilmnky | took long enough nalioth ;) jeez |
| 23:51.27 | evilmnky | that stuff was getting rather annoying |
| 23:51.29 | KoluCCi | Eggo: nope. emmememem has mount /dev/ass to /mnt/brain :) |
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| 23:51.32 | Vyrus001 | it was just in #php too |
| 23:51.38 | Abst | Haha |
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| 23:51.39 | azureal | but it helps once in a while |
| 23:51.39 | Abst | 'it' |
| 23:51.41 | henriquev | DaveyB: Jack, the streaper |
| 23:51.46 | azureal | it brings life to the dead channel |
| 23:51.56 | SkramX | how do i manage what daemons start @ startup? |
| 23:52.02 | azureal | it = the act of spamming |
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| 23:52.44 | Xardas | hi :) |
| 23:52.50 | _Sketch_ | Hi! |
| 23:52.52 | Eggo | They were on #linux a second ago, though. |
| 23:53.19 | Tidus | happened in #gentoo as well |
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| 23:53.45 | DerJamster | yeah, in #debian.de and #linux.de as well. #rubyonrails was also visited, methinks. |
| 23:53.58 | SkramX | how do i manage what daemons start @ startup? |
| 23:54.00 | DerJamster | lotsa hosts, too. |
| 23:54.07 | DerJamster | SkramX: sysv-rc-conf. grab that :> |
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| 23:54.11 | _Sketch_ | Okay.. If you double-tab, is that what happens, or was all that a bot designed to be annoying? |
| 23:54.12 | SkramX | ok |
| 23:54.15 | SkramX | that is command line i hope? |
| 23:54.16 | henriquev | #php as well |
| 23:54.22 | _Sketch_ | Because I don't want to be spamming when I tab-complete.. |
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| 23:54.28 | SpComb | that's the third time today... I've always wondered what they use to do it, the whole "* Benutzer in #debian:" makes me wonder if they just copy-paste it from mirc or something |
| 23:54.28 | DerJamster | SkramX: yeah. you can assign the runlevels to the services |
| 23:54.32 | SkramX | damn. debian comes with 2.4 or is my minimal install disk old? |
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| 23:54.42 | DerJamster | SkramX: also remember, runlevel 2-5 are the same in debian :> |
| 23:54.47 | Wyzard | _Sketch_: No, the list of nicks you see when you do tab-completion does not get posted to the channel |
| 23:54.47 | Tidus | _Sketch_, i think that was a bot designed to be annoying |
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| 23:54.53 | SkramX | i miss gentoo |
| 23:54.54 | SkramX | heh |
| 23:54.54 | SpComb | and isn't it about time that someone did something about it? It's fairly easy to detect... |
| 23:54.55 | beardy | SkramX: Read the help screens. |
| 23:54.56 | holycow | considering its such a pathetic flood attempt it must be windows users |
| 23:54.56 | _Sketch_ | Cool. |
| 23:54.57 | DerJamster | SkramX: stable might still use 2.4, yes. |
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| 23:55.08 | SkramX | but i need to learn more about debian for work |
| 23:55.09 | SpComb | just look for a message containing over 10 nicknames and instaban |
| 23:55.13 | beardy | SkramX: linux26 or expert26 |
| 23:55.19 | SkramX | ? |
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| 23:55.53 | DerJamster | SkramX: it's worth it. best binary-based distro IMO :> As long as you don't handle it like a source-based one when coming from Gentoo, everything should be alright :> |
| 23:56.10 | SkramX | whats wrong with source? :) |
| 23:56.15 | SkramX | this is a home/dev box |
| 23:56.16 | SkramX | but yeah |
| 23:56.19 | SkramX | fine |
| 23:56.24 | DerJamster | Nothing :> Just don't treat a binary-focused distro liek a source-focused one :> |
| 23:56.27 | holycow | though you can treat it somewhat like a source based one and just recompile and repackage what you need |
| 23:56.29 | Tidus | SkramX, you treat binary distros and source based one different |
| 23:56.29 | DerJamster | like |
| 23:56.36 | SkramX | right |
| 23:56.40 | SkramX | i agree.. for the most part |
| 23:56.55 | Tidus | if you try to treat debian like gentoo, it'll break real fast |
| 23:57.00 | DerJamster | of course you can always apt-get the source packages and have them built.. :> |
| 23:57.28 | Kim^J | Anyone played with pfsense??? |
| 23:57.37 | SkramX | a long time ago, Kim^J |
| 23:57.56 | azureal | DerJamster, er.... what's with the :> |
| 23:58.04 | DerJamster | azureal: habit. |
| 23:58.13 | azureal | what is it |
| 23:58.16 | DerJamster | a smiley? |
| 23:58.18 | SkramX | :P is my habit |
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| 23:58.21 | SkramX | :P |
| 23:58.23 | azureal | =P is mine |
| 23:58.26 | Tidus | mine is >.> |
| 23:58.36 | DerJamster | ~_^ |
| 23:58.44 | SkramX | so what is S? |
| 23:58.45 | SkramX | arg |
| 23:58.51 | SkramX | why is bot levels so complicated |
| 23:58.52 | SkramX | heh |
| 23:59.04 | DerJamster | S is single user |
| 23:59.08 | SkramX | oh |
| 23:59.10 | Tidus | in most modern distros, the only ones you need to worry about are 1 and 5 |
| 23:59.12 | SkramX | never going to use that :) |
| 23:59.15 | SkramX | right |
| 23:59.16 | DerJamster | for normal runlevels, use 2-5 :> |
| 23:59.21 | SkramX | so what is 1? |
| 23:59.26 | DerJamster | 1 is..reboot I think, 6 is shutdown |
| 23:59.29 | Tidus | single user |
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| 23:59.32 | Tidus | 1 is single user |
| 23:59.35 | azureal | where are you getting this info |
| 23:59.35 | Tidus | 6 is reboot |
| 23:59.36 | holycow | !runlevel |
| 23:59.36 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 23:59.37 | Tidus | 0 is shutdown |
| 23:59.53 | SkramX | so those START at shutdown? |
| 23:59.55 | DerJamster | so, S and 1 are the same in sysv-rc-conf |
