| 00:00.04 | evilmnky | why is he saying S |
| 00:00.09 | SkramX | ok |
| 00:00.09 | beardy | You don't have to care about runlevels. |
| 00:00.10 | evilmnky | is your 5 broken ? |
| 00:00.12 | Tidus | now the only distros i can think of that use different runlevels are suse and fedora |
| 00:00.15 | SkramX | no |
| 00:00.17 | Tidus | they use 3 for non-x |
| 00:00.19 | Tidus | 5 for x |
| 00:00.31 | DerJamster | yeah. Debian has no x runlevel tho. |
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| 00:01.27 | Abst | Does anyone know why my xserver-xfree86 is not generating a config file nor is dpkg-reconfigure generating one? |
| 00:01.39 | DerJamster | hmh..try xserver-common. |
| 00:01.40 | amphi | !xmd5 |
| 00:01.41 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
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| 00:02.40 | Abst | amphi, I just installed, like 10 mins ago |
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| 00:02.59 | amphi | Abst: ah |
| 00:03.18 | Abst | Should I copy XF86Config-4 to xorg.conf and then do it |
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| 00:03.41 | SkramX | time to make my new kernel |
| 00:03.42 | SkramX | :p |
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| 00:04.16 | wiki | how can a channel with 600 + people has so little activity... |
| 00:04.33 | DerJamster | high idle skills. |
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| 00:06.41 | cafuego | saturday night for most of 'em, most have a life ;-) |
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| 00:07.03 | _Sketch_ | Or are too busy watching anime. |
| 00:07.11 | DerJamster | yay Death Note. |
| 00:07.22 | Curtman | How can I stop dhclient3 from changing my hostname when I get a dhcp lease from my cable modem? |
| 00:07.43 | Supaplex | uhm I think there's an option for that. |
| 00:07.57 | Supaplex | !apropos |
| 00:07.58 | dpkg | well, apropos is a way to find man pages all around, and to find the program you are looking for, you can man -k <thingie> or apropos <thingie> and it will tell you the man items that match your <thingie> |
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| 00:13.10 | george | Curtman: your hostname may change to reflect the actual IP the outside DHCP server sent you |
| 00:13.42 | george | however I'm guessing that behavior is configurable |
| 00:14.28 | Curtman | george: I hope so.. Because it keeps changing it to S010600c026a01375. |
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| 00:15.23 | george | Curtman: heh... unreadable AND unpronouncable |
| 00:15.47 | unseensoul | does anyone here has the "enable" program in /usr/bin? i mean, /usr/bin/enable... |
| 00:16.11 | george | Curtman:: CONFIRMED. that is the hostname that you're connecting to irc as. |
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| 00:17.20 | george | !find /usr/bin/enable |
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| 00:17.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/enable' returned no results. |
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| 00:18.10 | george | unseensoul: Hey! I see you! |
| 00:18.22 | george | wait, I used that already |
| 00:19.56 | george | maybe apt-file can be used |
| 00:20.24 | evil_andy | what's the equivalent of rc.local on debian? |
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| 00:21.15 | george | evil_andy: pretty much, you creating a file and sourcing or including it from a script that runs in the bootup process |
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| 00:21.53 | unseensoul | george, lol :P |
| 00:22.13 | evil_andy | george, yes, but I don't want to go through the hassle of creating something in /etc/init.d. that's a pain, and the file only needs to run once, at startup |
| 00:22.38 | unseensoul | george, i can't find it since i use etch |
| 00:22.38 | slept | unseensoul, if have the command enable but its not in /bin /usr/bin ... i guess its part of bash since "wich enable " returns nothing ... |
| 00:23.00 | george | hmm, someone just mentioned a coupla files that get run at boot yesterday and I forgot |
| 00:23.19 | george | do you see any files in /etc/init.d that start with rc |
| 00:23.46 | evil_andy | yeah. rc and rcS |
| 00:23.48 | evil_andy | lemme check those |
| 00:23.49 | george | unseensoul: try this... apt-get install apt-file |
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| 00:24.30 | unseensoul | george, i already tried |
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| 00:24.37 | ciop | hello, i try to run shaper, and it answers: Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory, is my config is wrong? (im using etch) |
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| 00:24.57 | ciop | *sorry 4 my english |
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| 00:25.42 | george | evil_andy: why don't you create a file called /etc/init.d/rc.local and put "source /etc/init.d/rc.local" in rcS or some other? |
| 00:26.16 | unseensoul | slept, yes enable it's part of bash, but there is an "enable" program too |
| 00:26.17 | george | evil_andy: -maybe- you want to control exactly when in the boot order that rc.local is run |
| 00:26.31 | evil_andy | george, I was hoping to make it so that you COULDN'T run it except at boot. however, it doesn't look like I can. I'm gonna have to run something in /etc/init.d |
| 00:26.33 | evil_andy | oh well |
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| 00:27.41 | george | evil_andy: you could do something different that tends to have that effect... for example you could put a check "I'm a script, is the root user running me?" |
| 00:27.42 | SkramX | i just noticed.. I hate binary distros |
| 00:28.05 | slept | unseensoul, what does it do - the one you are looking for ? |
| 00:28.15 | SkramX | heh |
| 00:28.19 | george | SkramX: debian is best of both worlds, imo... but howbout you go to gentoo |
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| 00:28.45 | SkramX | i probably will go back |
| 00:28.48 | evil_andy | george, oh well, I just put something in /etc/init.d and used rc-update.sh |
| 00:28.59 | evil_andy | err |
| 00:29.01 | evil_andy | update-rc.d |
| 00:29.09 | unseensoul | slept, it enables a printer that i'm trying to setup a few hours ago |
| 00:29.12 | unseensoul | lol |
| 00:29.37 | slept | unseensoul, maybe cupsenable |
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| 00:30.14 | george | evil_andy: the thing you could put there, is a file that runs rc.local... and you control when it's run too, by setting the number... for examples of what number to use, look in (say) /etc/rc1.d |
| 00:30.20 | unseensoul | slept, that's different... |
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| 00:30.38 | michael117 | How can I boot into text mode immediately after grub comes up? |
| 00:30.58 | george | michael117: what happens now that you don't want? |
| 00:32.00 | michael117 | Well, my friend is telling me that he is getting a filesystem error on /dev/hda3 and so I'm telling him to fsck it but I want to know how to go into text mode before the file system check so it doesn't stop working and reboot like he is telling me it is doing not |
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| 00:32.07 | slept | unseensoul, what do you use to print ? |
| 00:32.13 | michael117 | now |
| 00:32.41 | george | michael117: could you get your friend to come here? |
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| 00:33.16 | george | it would make things like getting exact error messages much more convenient |
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| 00:33.28 | blizzow | Is there a way to get the 2.6.19 kernel with apt-get? |
| 00:33.34 | george | michael117: not sure what this file error is about |
| 00:33.44 | george | blizzow: if it' |
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| 00:33.52 | michael117 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.59 | michael117 | Buffer error on device hda3 logical block 3244120 |
| 00:33.59 | unseensoul | slept, yes |
| 00:34.15 | blizzow | george: ? |
| 00:34.18 | unseensoul | slept, i can setup my printer trough gnome-cups-manager |
| 00:34.24 | unseensoul | s/can/can't |
| 00:34.41 | george | s available as a package, the answer is maybe... you can get the .deb of it and install it with dpkg... that might work if it depends on packages available to you |
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| 00:36.36 | slept | unseensoul, do it via the cups web thing at localhost:631 - works perfect and shouldnt take you more than 10 min to set up. |
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| 00:36.47 | george | blizzow: another possiility is you could get the .19 source and read Documentation/Changes to see what userland programs it needs to support it |
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| 00:37.29 | blizzow | george: do you know where I could get a .deb of the 2.6.19 kernel? |
| 00:37.43 | george | I don't even know if one exists |
| 00:38.02 | george | but you could look on packages.debian.org (for one possibility) |
| 00:38.29 | rgsteele_home | blizzow: depends on what distro you're running |
| 00:38.34 | george | oh, and a bonus to taking that approach, is you find out all its deps |
| 00:38.34 | rgsteele_home | Er, version |
| 00:38.35 | SubStack | apt-get install timemachine |
| 00:38.43 | blizzow | rgsteele_home: Etch. |
| 00:38.48 | SubStack | actually that's a real package |
| 00:39.13 | michael117 | george: This is the error he is getting: "Buffer error on device hda3 logical block 3244120" |
| 00:39.16 | george | can I use it to travel back to when debian was first created? |
| 00:39.19 | rgsteele_home | Hum, I dunno if 2.6.19 is in Etch yet or not. Check packages.debian.org, and if it's not there, check backports.org or dotdeb.org |
| 00:39.20 | dendrite | blizzow: get debianized source for most recent one you can, patch up, then make-kpkg |
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| 00:39.39 | george | and will I be able to get back, given the timemachine package would not have been created yet? |
| 00:39.55 | unseensoul | unseensoul, i'll try...thank you :) |
| 00:40.01 | unseensoul | now i got to go |
| 00:40.03 | unseensoul | cya |
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| 00:40.26 | george | HEY!! I don't see unseensoul any more! |
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| 00:40.57 | CBG | I want to install Debian on a partition of an external (firewire) hard drive, would I still want to put an installer on a CD and go from there, or can I put the installer onto the external drive? |
| 00:41.18 | Supaplex | to boot the installer? |
| 00:41.18 | george | CBG: probably either is fine |
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| 00:41.54 | george | depends on which of firewire or cd you can boot (in my case I can boot, for example, from usb) |
| 00:42.41 | itchi | amphi: Are you still here? |
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| 00:43.22 | george | CBG: but, if you have the installer on the cd, you can either boot from it or write its partition to the firewire drive, so it seems that putting it on the cd to start with allows the most flexibility |
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| 00:43.48 | edju | A few modules load from the list in /etc/modules, but not close to all. Where do the others load from? |
| 00:44.02 | george | in some cases the balance of the installer is read from the net anyway |
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| 00:45.00 | amphi | itchi: I am |
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| 00:47.06 | inv_Arp | hmm.. how does one view whats inside a (non-installed).deb package file.. dpkg -p is for installed packages.. |
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| 00:47.31 | amphi | itchi: what made you ask? ;) |
| 00:47.50 | IamEthos | why would cups tell me a job is still processing when I've had the printed page in my hand for like 7 hours? |
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| 00:48.04 | itchi | amphi: So i try now that r1000 there, i have extract the compressed file and then i do make install and get the follow error: http://pastebin.ca/246246 |
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| 00:48.54 | CBG | Sorry, my client froze. I just asked what to do with the debian installer if I want to install onto an external hard drive... Would I still burn and install from a CD? |
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| 00:49.56 | george | CBG: probably either is fine |
| 00:50.01 | george | depends on which of firewire or cd you can boot (in my case I can boot, for example, from usb) |
| 00:50.06 | george | CBG: but, if you have the installer on the cd, you can either boot from it or write its partition to the firewire drive, so it seems that putting it on the cd to start with allows the most flexibility |
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| 00:50.34 | CBG | george: I will definately be able to insist that debian is installed on the external and NOT my internal drive, right? |
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| 00:50.46 | angasule | the package libode (a physics library) hasn't been updated since 2005-08-05, how can I check the reason? is there an activity log for the mantainer, maybe? He seemed quite active on it until that date, so maybe the package is now without a maintainer, if it's a stupid question, please tell me so :) |
| 00:51.08 | eeyore- | CBG: you can install debian on any block device that is visible to the booting kernel |
| 00:51.09 | george | well sure, as long as the installer can see the volume you wish to partition and install onto |
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| 00:51.10 | itchi | amphi: On that website it's been "Linux driver for kernel 2.4.x and 2.6.x" that i need to get? |
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| 00:51.33 | eeyore- | CBG: you can even theoretically install to a remote machine, given network connection |
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| 00:51.35 | CBG | Ok, and it won't install on my internal without asking me first..? |
| 00:51.53 | amphi | itchi: sounds right - did you follow the destructions? |
| 00:52.00 | itchi | amphi: Yes |
| 00:52.14 | george | angasule: maybe bugs.debian.org... but note that in the general case you might not be able to find a recorded reason for something that has not been done |
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| 00:52.35 | itchi | amphi: Thare are realy not many in that README file |
| 00:52.51 | amphi | itchi: heh - if there's no .ko file, the make failed |
| 00:53.05 | george | I used to follow destructions... then people got suspicious :) |
| 00:53.08 | angasule | george: well, is there an activity log for each mantainer? maybe this guy in particular has stopped working on debian |
| 00:53.22 | gnudo | has nayone here managed to install 2.6.18-2 backport kernel on a box running sarge? what is the right procedure? |
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| 00:53.59 | itchi | ow, an decenter kernel for Sarge than Etch?? |
| 00:53.59 | george | angasule: yeah, I think so but I forgot where the more detailed maintainer web site is |
| 00:54.00 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 00:54.04 | linux2 | hey does anyone here know what package contains libCg.so? |
| 00:54.09 | linux2 | i cannot seem to find it anywhere |
| 00:54.11 | DerJamster | gnudo: I'd just use a kernel from kernel.org |
| 00:54.17 | amphi | itchi: huh? |
| 00:54.35 | george | !find libCg.so |
| 00:54.37 | itchi | amphi: Yup, read what gnudo saw |
| 00:54.42 | Deepa | !find whereismycheese.co |
| 00:54.47 | Pupeno | I see some packages in Stable, zope, plone, that not only don't contain any updates in testing, unstable, they are just not there (according to packages.debian.org). Where thoes packages removed ? |
| 00:54.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libCg.so' returned no results. |
| 00:54.54 | DerJamster | gnudo: grab it, apt-get install 'kernel-package', untar the kernel, cd into the dir, cp the config from /boot into the dir as .config, make menuinstall, make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 00:55.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'whereismycheese.co' returned no results. |
| 00:55.00 | DerJamster | and you got your own shiny deb of it |
| 00:55.06 | angasule | !find inyourshoebythesmellofit.co |
| 00:55.08 | amphi | itchi: what about it? |
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| 00:55.23 | george | inyourhoebydadoe? |
| 00:55.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'inyourshoebythesmellofit.co' returned no results. |
| 00:55.28 | DerJamster | gnudo: compiling takes ages tho if you use debian's default kernel conf :> lotsa modules |
| 00:55.39 | itchi | amphi: Nothing important; just that here on Testing i have an older kernel than available in backports it's looks |
| 00:55.43 | gnudo | itchi: are you running sarge with 2.6.18-2 backport kernel? |
| 00:55.48 | linux2 | so i guess it doesn't exist? |
| 00:55.50 | d11 | Wenn I boot i get an error: hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} -- this drive works fine with a 2.6.8 kernel (one ntfs and one ext2 partition) but with 2.6.17 kernel it doesnt boot. anyone have an idea? |
| 00:55.54 | DerJamster | gnudo: aside of that I assume adding the backport repo into the sources.list and apt-getting it sounds like the normal way |
| 00:56.11 | amphi | itchi: I'm running 2.6.11 here ;) |
| 00:56.24 | george | I'm running 2.6.7 |
| 00:56.33 | gnudo | DerJamster: you are not quite right about that |
| 00:56.40 | itchi | amphi: 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:56.50 | itchi | amphi: But i need it for the laptop |
| 00:56.55 | george | and have been for like a year and a half or so |
| 00:57.21 | itchi | amphi: Know you why he not find that r1000.ko file? |
| 00:57.37 | amphi | itchi: because it's not there? ;) |
| 00:57.41 | PDani | hi |
| 00:57.51 | DaveyB_ | That one did |
| 00:57.54 | DaveyB_ | I didn't |
| 00:58.04 | zood | hey folks I'm to set up an ssh tunnel to my school computer so that when I surf from home I can access various web stuff that requires a connection comming from school. From my home computer I do `putty -D 8080 school.hostname.edu`. Then I set firefox up for "manual proxy configuration" and socks host: 127.0.0.1, port 8080. But any page I visit gives "document contains no data". What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:58.33 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, that's sure hehe :-) |
| 00:58.53 | amphi | itchi: no error messages from make? |
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| 00:59.07 | itchi | amphi: How so? |
| 00:59.17 | itchi | amphi: I have pastebin it ^^ |
| 00:59.24 | amphi | itchi: I'm asking; from make, not make install |
| 00:59.36 | itchi | amphi: make clean modules ? |
| 00:59.45 | PDani | i have a problem with firefox: when i log out from my xfce (saving the session) with a running firefox, at the next time i log in, everything restore fine except firefox. and when i start it by hand, it complains about some crash, and session recovery... is there a workaround to get these session-related stuff work properly? |
| 00:59.49 | itchi | amphi: Or just make ? |
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| 01:00.09 | amphi | itchi: wtf? just do make clean && make and see if you get any errors |
| 01:00.16 | slept | zood, maybe ssh -X just works and you can start firefox over there ? |
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| 01:00.26 | d11 | Wenn I boot i get an error: hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} -- this drive works fine with a 2.6.8 kernel (one ntfs and one ext2 partition) but with 2.6.17 kernel it doesnt boot. anyone have an idea? |
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| 01:00.49 | zood | slept: school.hostname.edu is a windows box... :( |
| 01:00.58 | amphi | itchi: what told you to do 'make modules'? |
| 01:01.01 | Wyzard | Is there a way to tell an SMP kernel, at boot time, to only use one of the available processors? |
| 01:01.05 | itchi | amphi: Ohye, right, it's because i follow what there is noted in that README file. That's not noted and i not did it haha |
| 01:01.24 | itchi | amphi: Wait; got error |
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| 01:01.32 | marc2 | is there a way top stop freenode stopping my identd? It takes HOURS |
| 01:01.42 | marc2 | s/stopping/checking |
| 01:01.56 | linux2 | can anyone help me? |
| 01:01.57 | phogg | d11: I used to get that error all the time with one if my disks. It went on for months, smart saw nothing bad, but then one day the disk was unreadable. I m now sort of afraid of it. |
| 01:02.13 | amphi | marc2: have a REJECT rather than DROP rule on 113 in iptables helps |
| 01:02.17 | gnudo | the error i get is : yaird error: bad value in /boot/config-2.6.18-2-486: CONFIG_DEFCONFIG_LIST="/lib/modules/$UNAME_RELEASE/.config" (fatal) |
| 01:02.22 | Wyzard | d11: That error usually indicates a failing drive, though it could also be a bad cable or driver bug |
| 01:02.27 | marc2 | amphi, seriously, who the fuck uses ident? |
| 01:02.44 | itchi | amphi: After doing make http://pastebin.ca/246258 |
| 01:02.45 | gnudo | mkinitrd.yaird failed to create initrd image |
| 01:02.50 | amphi | marc2: no one I know ;) |
| 01:02.50 | PDani | any idea? |
| 01:03.27 | gnudo | that is when i tried : apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-2-486 |
| 01:03.35 | zood | What would be a standard way of bouncing my web surfing off of a remote ssh server? |
| 01:03.46 | marc2 | amphi, it just slows dows connections. Seriously, |
| 01:04.30 | angasule | zood: I had a python script that opened a port to bounce my web traffic (it took an ip as a parameter, nobody else was allowed) |
| 01:04.38 | slept | :( |
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| 01:04.42 | amphi | marc2: having your fw DROP the packets forces it to time out; if you send back icmp_port_unreachable it'll give up at once |
| 01:04.50 | angasule | zood: completely nonstandard, but I had no web access to check for a better way, and I was impatient :D |
| 01:05.06 | amphi | itchi: can you pastebin r1000_n.c |
| 01:05.07 | marc2 | amphi, I have a regular linksys wired router, it doesnt run the fancy firmware, I dont have iptables |
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| 01:05.16 | itchi | amphi: The content of that file? |
| 01:05.24 | amphi | itchi: er, yes ;) |
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| 01:05.46 | amphi | marc2: forward the port and REJECT it from your box ;) |
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| 01:06.03 | dserban | Anyone familiar with the mount -bind command? (Rather, why when I bind a file to a file external to a chroot, it doesn't actually link) |
| 01:06.08 | amphi | a |
| 01:06.26 | amphi | marc2: you can't have the router unfirewall that port? |
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| 01:06.36 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/246261 |
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| 01:06.45 | max_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.01 | cydork | damn i am buying a minipci ipw2200.. i had enough with ndiswrapper :( |
| 01:08.12 | dserban | n |
| 01:08.15 | sanmarcos | amphi, so, how can I make iptables reject 135 or whatever that stone age ident stuff is? |
| 01:08.36 | zood | !mandriva |
| 01:08.36 | dpkg | it has been said that mandriva is the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Conectiva Linux companies. or a stupid name, or a way of giving untested and pre-released software to newbies |
| 01:09.08 | sanmarcos | mandriva is such an ugly name |
| 01:09.13 | sanmarcos | seriously ubuntu is bad enough |
| 01:09.29 | max_ | linux isnt very good at the name-making are they |
| 01:09.43 | max_ | can someone help me though? |
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| 01:10.15 | Wyzard | max_: You're missing the point... the is the Debian support channel, not the Mandriva support channel |
| 01:10.22 | cydork | max_, install debian |
| 01:10.29 | angasule | sanmarcos: what's wrong with ubuntu? it's a good word with a lot of good meaning |
| 01:10.32 | amphi | itchi: you have the url of the src tarball? |
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| 01:10.47 | sanmarcos | angasule, it sounds bad. The meaning is nice and all, but the word doesnt sell |
| 01:10.49 | angasule | cydork: agreed! |
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| 01:10.53 | itchi | amphi: Which one? |
| 01:11.01 | max_ | w/e your all just jerks anyway |
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| 01:11.09 | amphi | angasule: "I can't configure debian" is a lot of good meaning? ;) |
| 01:11.10 | itchi | amphi: I have use that one you gave me |
| 01:11.10 | Wyzard | max_: Would you call Ford when your Toyota car breaks down? |
| 01:11.11 | angasule | sanmarcos: sounds bad to whom? |
| 01:11.22 | amphi | itchi: yeah, give it back to me ;) |
| 01:11.22 | sanmarcos | angasule, me good enough?!! FUCK |
| 01:11.31 | zood | !jerk |
| 01:11.31 | dpkg | jerk is, like, someone who needs something to do. |
| 01:11.33 | plee | the debian ia64, is that for x86-64 too? |
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| 01:11.40 | itchi | amphi: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=7&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false |
| 01:11.42 | Wyzard | plee: No, IA64 is Itanium |
| 01:11.48 | Wyzard | plee: x86-64 is amd64 |
| 01:11.55 | plee | ok. thanks |
| 01:12.13 | angasule | amphi: how about "I'm not an elitist jerk"? I'd like to see you do all the things my mom and dad can do, go lift a pebble or something :P |
| 01:12.19 | amphi | itchi: thanks - I'll try to reproduce that error here, I think the pastebin did something odd |
| 01:12.33 | k-man | whats a good tool for burning a data dvd? |
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| 01:13.01 | angasule | sanmarcos: well, everybody has different taste, obviously, there are some globally awful names like 'gimp' not to mention 'gnu' (just talking about the names here) |
| 01:13.03 | pumpkin0 | k-man: k3b ? |
| 01:13.04 | itchi | amphi: Maybe because i did it in an unusual way?? cat r1000_n.c | xclip |
| 01:13.06 | angasule | k-man: k3b |
| 01:13.08 | Wyzard | k-man: growisofs from dvd+rw-tools |
| 01:13.09 | k-man | ah,thanks |
| 01:13.15 | sanmarcos | angasule, the gimp is a joke anyways |
| 01:13.17 | amphi | angasule: think of your blood pressure |
| 01:13.18 | Wyzard | (if you want a command-line tool) |
| 01:13.22 | plee | Wyzard, is there a amd64 tree? |
| 01:13.36 | angasule | sanmarcos: let's keep it to names |
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| 01:13.39 | pumpkin0 | plee: yes ? |
| 01:13.40 | LordScinawa | hello |
| 01:13.50 | plee | pi |
| 01:13.56 | Wyzard | plee: yes, though for sarge it's semi-official |
| 01:13.56 | LordScinawa | where can i find xserver-xorg 7.0.99 for my ati card? |
| 01:14.04 | limpio | hi all, i'm trying to compile an app in Sarge, installed build-essential and it gives me this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH, is there something i should install? |
| 01:14.07 | angasule | amphi: abnormally good, actually, it kinda pisses me off hehehe I've excellent health |
| 01:14.14 | plee | pumpkin0, i cant find it on the mirror... |
| 01:14.24 | Wyzard | plee: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 01:14.38 | itchi | amphi: Same output, maybe not so easy to see there? |
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| 01:15.02 | Wyzard | plee: For sarge, amd64 wasn't part of the official release, but was released separately later... for etch it'll be part of the official release |
| 01:15.13 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: would xorg 7.1 help ? |
| 01:15.25 | sanmarcos | amphi, ok, I am REJECTING ident, and it works great! thanks! |
| 01:15.35 | LordScinawa | no pumpkin0 .. :( |
| 01:15.57 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: which ATI do you have ? |
| 01:16.06 | plee | Wyzard, that's why i didnt find it :) thanks |
| 01:16.10 | Supaplex | what cli program can create a sound file with one or more specified tones and a specified sample rate? |
| 01:16.28 | LordScinawa | x700 |
| 01:17.09 | amphi | itchi: it builds fine here ;) |
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| 01:17.28 | amphi | itchi: what compiler version do you have? gcc --version |
| 01:17.50 | amphi | sanmarcos: speeds things up a bit, huh? |
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| 01:18.12 | sanmarcos | amphi, acutally I just told it to forward to a whatever machine, now it works great |
| 01:18.18 | itchi | amphi: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19) |
| 01:18.20 | LordScinawa | pumpkin0, i have x700 |
| 01:18.29 | tnks | crap... I did something something really dumb. |
| 01:18.44 | tnks | I did a grub "hide" on a linux partition. |
| 01:18.50 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: i already got that but i can´t help you there. |
| 01:18.54 | tnks | is there a way to fix this? Or am I hosed? |
| 01:18.55 | phogg | tnks: easy to unhide from a rescue disc |
| 01:19.07 | phogg | tnks: I did that to my root partition, once |
| 01:19.10 | Wyzard | tnks: All that does is change the partition type code... you can change it back with fdisk |
| 01:19.22 | amphi | itchi: that's the problem, I think; gcc 4 is much stricter |
| 01:19.32 | tnks | Can I do the fix from the Debian installer disk? |
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| 01:19.33 | amphi | itchi: your kernel is built with gcc 4 I presume |
| 01:19.38 | phogg | gcc 4.1 is especially unforgiving |
| 01:19.45 | Wyzard | tnks: You can probably do it from the grub boot prompt, without having to boot any special media |
| 01:19.48 | itchi | amphi: I not know |
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| 01:20.02 | tnks | Wyzard: that was going to be my approach. |
| 01:20.03 | Wyzard | tnks: Press 'c' at the grub boot menu to get a grub commandline |
| 01:20.07 | Supaplex | tnks: after your harddisk is detected. |
| 01:20.37 | itchi | amphi: It's the packaged kernel 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 01:21.01 | amphi | itchi: procinfo | grep Linux should show you |
| 01:21.03 | tnks | Grub isn't popping up right now. I'm getting an "Error 17". |
| 01:21.26 | phogg | tnks: that's why I said 'rescue dsc'. Debian install disc works fine. |
| 01:21.42 | tnks | phogg: okay... making that rescue disk now. |
| 01:22.12 | itchi | amphi: Linux 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (gcc [can't parse]) #??? 2CPU [venus] |
| 01:22.29 | amphi | itchi: can't parse, eh? heh |
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| 01:22.58 | itchi | amphi: Yeah |
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| 01:23.12 | cydork | hehe that's a nice version |
| 01:23.24 | amphi | itchi: I wonder if that's a bug; etch having perhaps a too old procinfo... |
| 01:23.29 | itchi | amphi: Fresh install, i did not many on it, so i have not mess it up ;-) |
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| 01:23.49 | amphi | itchi: I was not about to start hurling blame at you ;) |
| 01:23.59 | itchi | amphi: hehe ;-) |
| 01:24.19 | amphi | itchi: but I think it may be gcc 4's strictness that is making it barf on that file |
| 01:24.35 | itchi | amphi: Can i not take another way to install it? |
| 01:24.44 | itchi | amphi: With an older gcc or so |
| 01:25.01 | amphi | itchi: I'm still on gcc 3 here; I wonder if gcc 4 has a 'be less strict like the good old days' option |
| 01:25.13 | phogg | itchi: make CC=gcc-whatever |
| 01:25.22 | amphi | itchi: no, it needs to be compiled with the same gcc version as the kernel |
| 01:25.28 | tnks | I always forget grub commands, though, because I have to do this kind of thing so infrequently. |
| 01:25.39 | phogg | tnks: welcome to the club |
| 01:26.06 | amphi | itchi: try man gcc and search for strict and see if you find anything useful; you will find much that is not, in any case |
| 01:26.21 | itchi | amphi: Eeuuhhmm, okay |
| 01:26.38 | tnks | I've been meaning to keep some kind of log for all the system maintanence I do, but wikis don't cut it for me like they do for some other people. |
| 01:26.45 | itchi | eg, No manual entry for gcc |
| 01:27.42 | phogg | tnks: mind mapping software is probably best, but I go with a bunch of text files that I can lose easily. |
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| 01:28.26 | tnks | yeah... I've been working on a home-grown mind mapping engine, but it's still in the evaporative state. |
| 01:28.29 | amphi | itchi: pfft |
| 01:28.35 | tnks | What mind mapping software have you looked that? |
| 01:28.37 | tnks | at? |
| 01:28.44 | itchi | amphi: i have find info gcc |
| 01:28.50 | itchi | amphi: I'm looking there |
| 01:28.52 | amphi | itchi: ok |
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| 01:29.39 | amphi | itchi: you might find pinfo a handier info browser, BTW |
| 01:29.51 | itchi | amphi: Looks like there is no info item too |
| 01:30.08 | itchi | amphi: I fall in an /general/ or so |
| 01:30.52 | phogg | amphi: I don't recall any de-stricting options... googling now. |
| 01:31.06 | amphi | phogg: thanks - I was about to ;) |
| 01:31.18 | cydork | mind mapping? |
| 01:31.44 | phogg | amphi: so far i see -fno-strict-aliasing, which probably does not apply. |
| 01:34.32 | bobesponja | hey |
| 01:34.42 | amphi | itchi: perhaps try "CFLAGS=-ansi make" |
| 01:34.43 | Supaplex | asterisk has no silence audio files in etch? |
| 01:36.42 | Supaplex | I so hate webbrowsers now |
| 01:36.49 | itchi | amphi: Same |
| 01:36.55 | amphi | itchi: I don't if such -std settings affect the strictness of the syntax checking in the way we want |
| 01:37.05 | amphi | itchi: exactly the same error? |
| 01:37.05 | Supaplex | 2 days and 10+ crashes. ~=-/ |
| 01:37.15 | itchi | amphi: Wait |
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| 01:38.01 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/246286 |
| 01:38.59 | amphi | itchi: yeah, exactly the same :( |
| 01:41.03 | phogg | I see that they have taken the brute force appraoch to enforcing better coding practices. |
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| 01:41.38 | itchi | amphi: So actually there is no way to solve that? |
| 01:42.01 | pumpkin0 | phogg: After looking at some of the code out there: it was about time. |
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| 01:42.48 | itchi | amphi: It's not so realy important like i have also that old pcmcia card that work. Just that it is not nice to have an external thing on the left side. But the wifi is working now and that's the importantest |
| 01:42.54 | phogg | amphi: tried asking in #gcc? |
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| 01:43.30 | phogg | pumpkin0: I'm all for it, but the exercise of power is breathtaking and somewhat frightening. |
| 01:43.57 | amphi | phogg: not yet |
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| 01:44.28 | amphi | itchi: don't give up ;) can you paste line 51 of the file giving the error in here please |
| 01:44.47 | amphi | itchi: r1000_n.c IIRC |
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| 01:44.57 | acad | i got cyrus installed, and i added a user jerry. while it doesn't reject it anymore i don't seem to be able to get mail when i check it. any ideas why the mail doesn't appear in the mailbox after i login as jerry? |
| 01:45.20 | acad | by reject it, i mean when i send mail to that address |
| 01:45.42 | phogg | hmm. Dillo always uses ipv6 if an ipv6 is available in dns, even though I have no route for ipv6 addresses |
| 01:45.57 | pumpkin0 | phogg: you should have seen #gentoo during the ABI-change from 2.95 to 3.XX ... |
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| 01:46.20 | phogg | pumpkin0: I really don't think I would have enjoyed that... just tracking sid through that was bad enough |
| 01:46.35 | amphi | phogg: it should not be hard to clean up the source for gcc 4, I hope |
| 01:46.39 | itchi | amphi: { "RTL8169S/8110S", MCFG_METHOD_2, 0xff7e1880 }, |
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| 01:47.13 | amphi | itchi: thanks - how did you establish that is line 51, BTW? |
| 01:47.21 | itchi | amphi: I never give up :-p ,just that im patient enought :-) |
| 01:47.40 | itchi | amphi: The pastebin was still open |
| 01:47.52 | phogg | itchi: heh. r1000, I sympathize with your plight. |
| 01:47.55 | amphi | itchi: don't use the pastebin, I don't trust it ;) |
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| 01:48.21 | itchi | amphi: Here in vim it's another one |
| 01:48.56 | itchi | amphi: MODULE_PARM (speed, "1-" __MODULE_STRING(MAX_UNITS) "i"); |
| 01:49.02 | amphi | itchi: yeah, pastebin was lying |
| 01:49.18 | itchi | amphi: Yup, just discovered also |
| 01:49.19 | rogermudd | Noob question: How do I determine whether or not I have 3d acceleration enabled? |
| 01:49.52 | amphi | itchi: I thought it might be, as the error seemed to make no sense |
| 01:50.17 | amphi | itchi: try, on that line, and the next two, replace MODULE_PARM with MODULE_PARM_DESC |
| 01:50.42 | amphi | itchi: and then try make again |
| 01:50.48 | phogg | rogermudd: glxinfo |
| 01:51.02 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: run glxinfo and look for the line with dri at the top. no = bad, yes = good. |
| 01:51.14 | amphi | itchi: so 51, 52, and 53 should begin with 'MODULE_PARM_DESC' |
| 01:51.30 | phogg | specifically, run glxinfo | grep direct |
| 01:51.53 | amphi | itchi: cross your fingers and pray to whatever dark gods you believe in, and make ;) |
| 01:51.57 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: even with output dri = no the 3D-parts may be working. But not very fast. |
| 01:51.59 | rogermudd | Strange. "glxinfo" elicits "glxinfo: command not found" as both a simple user and root. |
| 01:52.07 | itchi | amphi: ow |
| 01:52.15 | amphi | itchi: ow? |
| 01:52.18 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: install mesa-utils |
| 01:52.30 | rogermudd | okay |
| 01:52.37 | itchi | amphi: So i do again CFLAGS=-ansi make ? |
| 01:52.44 | amphi | itchi: no, just make |
| 01:52.48 | itchi | amphi: Enfin, it's to late |
| 01:52.58 | itchi | No error lol |
| 01:53.06 | itchi | looks like right |
| 01:53.16 | amphi | itchi: so you have r1000.ko in src ? |
| 01:53.22 | phogg | amphi: why did that work? |
| 01:53.25 | amphi | !lol |
| 01:53.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:53.26 | rogermudd | okay... looks like no direct rendering. Any advice? |
| 01:53.49 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: which gfx-card do you have ? |
| 01:53.50 | phogg | rogermudd: don't take any wooden coins. |
| 01:53.54 | itchi | How can i tcheck that out?Âhttp://pastebin.ca/246294 |
| 01:54.10 | rogermudd | saphire radeon 9800 pro... I know... ATI :-( |
| 01:54.38 | amphi | itchi: ls src |
| 01:54.39 | rogermudd | "wooden coins" eludes me... |
| 01:54.47 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i have it |
| 01:54.56 | itchi | amphi: cool, crazy guy :-p |
| 01:54.58 | phogg | !tell rogermudd about radeon |
| 01:55.38 | phogg | rogermudd: canonical good advice is not to accept fake coins. |
| 01:55.46 | itchi | amphi: Then make install ? |
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| 01:56.01 | rogermudd | Is this an ubuntu/debian proprietary driver rant? |
| 01:56.04 | phogg | itchi: for r1000 make automatically installs the .ko |
| 01:56.10 | amphi | phogg: perhaps it's a kernel macro that changed name recently? |
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| 01:56.33 | amphi | itchi: try modprobe r1000 |
| 01:56.47 | amphi | itchi: you ran make as root? |
| 01:56.50 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm, module not found |
| 01:56.52 | itchi | amphi: yes |
| 01:57.05 | phogg | rogermudd: no... you didn't specify what you wanted to do, so I offered generic advice. It was supposed to be a joke. |
| 01:57.08 | amphi | itchi: run depmod -a |
| 01:57.08 | itchi | amphi: That was not good |
| 01:57.13 | itchi | ? |
| 01:57.20 | daeds | just got the ati linux drivers and my res really doesnt seem right! |
| 01:57.22 | itchi | Normally it is as normal user, the make |
| 01:57.23 | amphi | itchi: ghod, you're always complaining ;) |
| 01:57.35 | itchi | amphi: yup :-p |
| 01:57.40 | amphi | itchi: do depmod -a |
| 01:57.46 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: you are in a bad situation: ATI has stopped supporting the card and has not relased informations about it. You will need a old made-by-ATI driver and cannot work with the normal openscoure thing. |
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| 01:58.15 | rogermudd | phogg: ahhh... sorry... I just want to enable hardware 3d acceleration. Couldn't find any documentation on how to do that. Had it working in both Ubuntu and FC6. |
| 01:58.16 | amphi | itchi: and then see if 'modprobe -l | grep r1000' shows you anything |
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| 01:58.39 | phogg | rogermudd: talk to pumpkin0, he sees to know the score. |
| 01:58.53 | itchi | amphi: ow |
| 01:58.55 | daeds | pumpkin0: i just got the ati driver myself, are there any open source alternatives out there? |
| 01:58.59 | mick_linux | i'm running unstable now, but I'd like firefox 2 -- should i grab it from unstable? or do i just use the mozilla binaries instead? what is the recopmmended approach? |
| 01:58.59 | itchi | amphi: man |
| 01:59.08 | itchi | amphi: Looks good |
| 01:59.09 | mick_linux | i'm running testing* |
| 01:59.10 | pumpkin0 | daeds: depends on the card. |
| 01:59.13 | amphi | itchi: what do you mean, 'ow'? it conveys nothing to me |
| 01:59.17 | itchi | amphi: Crazy guy |
| 01:59.23 | itchi | amphi: Ola |
| 01:59.23 | daeds | pumpkin0: an old radeon 9800 |
| 01:59.32 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: Is fglrx a proprietary driver? That's what I used when I was toying around with Ubuntu. |
| 01:59.36 | itchi | amphi: Owyeah |
| 01:59.42 | pumpkin0 | daeds: 2D-only driver is available, no 3D. |
| 01:59.48 | amphi | itchi: the module is there in modprobe -l output? |
| 01:59.53 | itchi | amphi: ifconfig -a show it :-p |
| 01:59.56 | daeds | i'm not too worried about 3d really |
| 02:00.02 | amphi | itchi: good-oh |
| 02:00.04 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: fglrx is the made-by-ATI driver. |
| 02:00.07 | itchi | amphi: Yup, module is loaded :-) :-) |
| 02:00.12 | amphi | itchi: see, it's easy ;) |
| 02:00.13 | itchi | amphi: Crazy guy |
| 02:00.19 | daeds | although compiz would be nice :P |
| 02:00.27 | phogg | as easy as building a rube goldberg device! |
| 02:00.29 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, easy, you talk; how have you find that error in that source file?? |
| 02:00.44 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: obviously not popular here, but can it be installed in Debian? |
| 02:00.45 | amphi | itchi: a google for r1000 and 'gcc 4' turned up that fix at once ;) |
| 02:00.55 | itchi | amphi: ow |
| 02:01.00 | pumpkin0 | daeds: no compiz for that one with open-source. 2d: no problem in using the "radeon"-driver. You will need a fairly recent xorg install (~7.1) |
| 02:01.08 | amphi | itchi: now you know my secret :( |
| 02:01.10 | itchi | amphi: But still, crazy guy :-p |
| 02:01.17 | tnks | Okay, so I got the latest Debian installer, but I'm tripping over myself figuring out how to unhide my partition with it. |
| 02:01.19 | itchi | amphi: ;-) |
| 02:01.23 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: sure. The ATI-docs are pretty OK if you are on testing or unstable. |
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| 02:01.37 | tnks | It tried booting "rescue" with it. |
| 02:01.39 | daeds | pumpkin0: that leads on to my next question infact, i just did a net-install and was wondering if my system would be completely up to date... |
| 02:01.43 | itchi | amphi: Man, you have setup th2 netwtwork cards ;-) |
| 02:01.59 | amphi | itchi: th2? |
| 02:02.03 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: understood. I'll check them out. I'm using Etch right now. Will that cause problems with each kernel upgrade? |
| 02:02.11 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, you now need to fix my console trouble :-p |
| 02:02.15 | pumpkin0 | daeds: run "apt-get update", "apt-get upgrade". That will update everything. |
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| 02:02.21 | itchi | amphi: The 2 network cards |
| 02:02.25 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: yes. |
| 02:02.27 | daeds | thank you pumpkin0 |
| 02:02.35 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: bummer |
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| 02:02.54 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: see why closed-source is so welcome around here ? |
| 02:02.57 | tnks | and I have the option of getting a shell in the installation environment, or in my root. I thought the former would be useful, but it's pretty barebones. |
| 02:03.03 | itchi | amphi: Many thanks man, looking to the watch man; you have splend some long time to me :-) |
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| 02:03.06 | Sudo|Faderhval | uhmmm i just switch from kubuntu to debian sarge! when using ssh terminal with kubuntu it displayed colors e.g. folders where blue! can i do the same in debian sarge???? |
| 02:03.07 | amphi | itchi: ah - it's a bash thing, AFAICS; it's easy with zsh, dunno about bash |
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| 02:03.28 | daeds | also, my 1280x1024 res looks completely different in linux to windows, which is confusing me quite a bit... still looks like i'm running at 800x600 |
| 02:03.37 | amphi | itchi: well, there were some wrong turnings I made ;) |
| 02:03.52 | daeds | my k menu is huge |
| 02:04.01 | pumpkin0 | daeds: paste the X-server-log into pastebin and we will have a look ... |
| 02:04.03 | amphi | daeds: small viewport onto a larger 'virtual desktop'? |
| 02:04.04 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: Understood. Wasn't questioning the rationale. Just wanted to get the most out of my hardware |
| 02:04.22 | daeds | pumpkin0: if i knew where to find it, i'm rather new you see |
| 02:04.43 | itchi | amphi: Still helped, and everyone need to learn, not yet so easy, but if you have the motivation, it come |
| 02:04.48 | phogg | daeds: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:04.57 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: in that case: go to ATI.com and search for the newest driver-apckage still supporting the 9800. install etch and do a apt-get update/upgrade. Try to install. |
| 02:05.19 | evil_andy | I have an nfs server (nfs-kernel-server) and an nfs client, both running debian sarge. when the client mounts the nfs partition using the rsize and wsize of 8192, performing the test of cating a file to /dev/null takes 60 times longer on the nfs client than it does on the physical file on the server. the link between them has been tested (using iperf) at 91Mb/s. any ideas how to fix this problem? I'm trying to set up shared nfs home dir |
| 02:05.20 | evil_andy | ectories, but can't with speeds as slow as this. |
| 02:05.21 | daeds | ok |
| 02:05.30 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: I'll give it a shot. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:05.40 | pumpkin0 | daeds: and while your are at it: /etc/X11/xorg.conf will be helpfull as well. |
| 02:05.40 | itchi | amphi: Now need to write that down :-p |
| 02:06.17 | daeds | ermm ok, i'm rather slow... trying to find all this stuff in this mess is nigh impossible |
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| 02:06.52 | pumpkin0 | !tell daeds about paste |
| 02:07.29 | daeds | yeah ofc |
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| 02:08.15 | Sudo|Faderhval | ok found out that its ls that does it! |
| 02:08.27 | amphi | itchi: yeah; the reason it compiled here and not there, is not a question of compiler version at all (that was a red herring ;), but that the macro name has changed somewhere between 2.6.11 and 2.6.17 |
| 02:08.37 | itchi | amphi: I think now it's all of the list. The 56k modem i can not test here |
| 02:08.43 | amphi | itchi: that's the only explanation that makes sense to me |
| 02:08.51 | daeds | hmm still running xfree86 it seems |
| 02:08.54 | Sudo|Faderhval | but i have to type ls --color=always everytime? |
| 02:08.55 | daeds | i'll still do the paste |
| 02:09.15 | amphi | Sudo|Faderhval: make an alias? |
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| 02:09.24 | itchi | amphi: Great that you know about that :-p That's not yet of my level ;-) |
| 02:09.26 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: Stupid question. How do I execute a *.run file from the command line? |
| 02:09.27 | evil_andy | Sudo|Faderhval, alias ls="ls --color=always" |
| 02:10.12 | amphi | itchi: just FYI, there is a small bat sleeping on the table next to me ;) |
| 02:10.15 | pumpkin0 | daeds: you are on stable/sarge ? Forget about support for radeon 9800s... you will need etch before these babies start to work. |
| 02:10.25 | Sudo|Faderhval | aah |
| 02:10.35 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: "chmod +x the-file; ./the-file". |
| 02:10.37 | daeds | ermm sec, need a restart... apt just updated some kernel stuff |
| 02:10.42 | daeds | just warned me |
| 02:10.53 | itchi | amphi: hehe |
| 02:11.15 | amphi | itchi: really, I found it lying on the floor downstairs |
| 02:11.17 | pumpkin0 | rogermudd: the first part marks it as executable, the second part (after the ;) runs it. |
| 02:11.17 | daeds | back in a few mins |
| 02:11.18 | rogermudd | pumpkin0: thank you |
| 02:11.48 | itchi | amphi: Heh ;-) |
| 02:11.52 | Sudo|Faderhval | evil_andy thank you very much that just made my day! :D |
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| 02:12.13 | amphi | itchi: smaller than a thumb, I think it's a pipistrelle |
| 02:12.13 | evil_andy | Sudo|Faderhval, glad to help |
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| 02:13.07 | thingfish | amphi: shouldn't you be careful? Don't bats often carry rabies? |
| 02:13.53 | tnks | from a rescue disk, I should be able to get a grub prompt right? |
| 02:13.57 | amphi | thingfish: I didn't let it bite me ;) and it's so small, it's teeth wouldn't penetrate the skin I don't think |
| 02:14.18 | pumpkin0 | thingfish: if it´s a baby: now that he touched it ... he will have to raise it as well. |
| 02:14.24 | evil_andy | anyone here use nfs? |
| 02:14.25 | amphi | itchi: yeah, this is it: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Pipistrellus_pipistrellus_lateral.jpg/800px-Pipistrellus_pipistrellus_lateral.jpg |
| 02:14.41 | pumpkin0 | evil_andy: dropped it for sshfs. |
| 02:15.00 | amphi | pumpkin0: no, it's a small species; not that a tame bat would do any harm ;) |
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| 02:15.12 | evil_andy | ahh. not too sure how well that would work for networked home directories across an entire network... |
| 02:15.16 | itchi | amphi: Ow, somethings like that in your house? |
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| 02:15.31 | therealbigusdick | when I press - in the consoles (ALT-F1, etc.) I get /. In X the keys work fine (if I press - I do get -). How do I dpkg-reconfigure to get the console keys work properly? |
| 02:15.35 | pumpkin0 | amphi: i didn´t know these. Around here bats are bigger. |
| 02:15.47 | amphi | itchi: it's about half a metre from me ;) |
| 02:16.06 | amphi | pumpkin0: there are other large species hereabouts, none huge |
| 02:16.21 | itchi | amphi: Crazy |
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| 02:16.32 | thingfish | rabies is transmitted through the animal's saliva. and bats lick themselves all over. |
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| 02:16.34 | dvs | amphi: did you get your electrician? |
| 02:16.37 | evil_andy | CURSES! |
| 02:16.45 | amphi | dvs: my electrician? |
| 02:16.45 | daeds | right |
| 02:16.55 | dvs | amphi: oops! wrong person. |
| 02:16.55 | phogg | evil_andy: I know you mean NCURSES |
| 02:16.58 | pumpkin0 | evil_andy: i don´t see any problem with that ... |
| 02:17.00 | therealbigusdick | when I press - in the consoles (ALT-F1, etc.) I get /. In X the keys work fine (if I press - I do get -). How do I dpkg-reconfigure to get the console keys work properly? |
| 02:17.05 | amphi | dvs: phew ;) |
| 02:17.30 | Sudo|Faderhval | evil_andy does it save the alias or do i have to make a new one every time i reboot?? |
| 02:17.36 | daeds | pumpkin0: i'm unsure which debian i'm using, i just let net-inst do its work |
| 02:17.48 | evil_andy | pumpkin0, well, I've had nfs working before, but it's never been this slow... |
| 02:18.00 | pumpkin0 | daeds: if xfree is around => stable or older. |
| 02:18.05 | phogg | therealbigusdick: don't keep repeating the question. Give it a good little while for someone to answer. If anyone knows how to help they generally will. |
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| 02:18.27 | daeds | pumpkin0: then stable or older it is... i know i'm running a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:18.27 | therealbigusdick | alright |
| 02:18.48 | daeds | net-inst is obviously a bit confused |
| 02:18.52 | pumpkin0 | !tell evil_andy about wdyc |
| 02:19.20 | intx | where can I find a (reference) manual on the -z -a -x parameters in an if eval.. e.g. if [ -x /dev/null ] |
| 02:19.38 | pumpkin0 | daeds: there are 3 installable versions of debian: sarge (stable), etch (testing) and sid (unstable). If you download the netinstall for sarge .. you get sarge. |
| 02:19.39 | evil_andy | pumpkin0, well... this was about 4 years ago, so... only a major revision of the linux kernel and linux distributions. amongst other things |
| 02:19.53 | intx | 'man if' doesn't seem to return a manual page |
| 02:20.15 | pumpkin0 | intx: that´s part of the BIIIGGGG bash-man page. |
| 02:20.18 | evil_andy | intx, man bash |
| 02:20.28 | intx | ah, thanks |
| 02:20.36 | daeds | hmm, i understand now pumpkin0. would you recommend another version? |
| 02:20.36 | evil_andy | intx, then search for CONDITIONALS (iirc) |
| 02:21.01 | intx | yea, thanks :) |
| 02:21.24 | pumpkin0 | daeds: etch is working very fine and has support for newer HW. You can try to upgrade to etch or reinstall cleanly (i would try the upgrade) |
| 02:21.29 | edju | How are modules that are not listed in etc/modules get loaded? From which file? |
| 02:22.27 | daeds | pumpkin0: how would i start off the upgrade? would i need to download the net-inst iso for etch or can i do it with this current system? |
| 02:22.57 | amphi | itchi: any other hw to wrestle with? |
| 02:23.31 | pumpkin0 | daeds: you change the file /etc/apt/source.list from sarge/stable to etch/testing (open it, and exchange all string "sarge" with "etch"). run "apt-get update", then "apt-get dist-upgrade". that will take some time. |
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| 02:24.11 | daeds | i presume xfree will be banished |
| 02:24.30 | therealbigusdick | the answer was: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 02:25.39 | pumpkin0 | daeds: it will install xorg and remove xfree. |
| 02:25.44 | daeds | excellent |
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| 02:26.09 | pumpkin0 | daeds: there is no xfree in etch anymore, the updater has no other way to keep the x-server running ... |
| 02:26.10 | daeds | pumpkin0: can i leave it for will it need user interaction? i need some sleep |
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| 02:26.53 | pumpkin0 | daeds: no, the download will be automatic, the install may ask. The download will take WAY longer then the install... |
| 02:26.55 | the_lord_laptop | Hi! please help |
| 02:26.59 | the_lord_laptop | I have this new laptop |
| 02:27.06 | amphi | heh |
| 02:27.17 | amphi | itchi: this looks like one for you ;) |
| 02:27.25 | the_lord_laptop | and the installer doesn't recognize the dvd+-rw drive |
| 02:27.29 | edju | does etch bring in xorg whole-shebang or modular? |
| 02:27.36 | the_lord_laptop | it tells me to load a module manually |
| 02:27.44 | daeds | pumpkin0: will it delete everything thats not needed too? this machine doesnt have much in the way of hdd space |
| 02:27.50 | the_lord_laptop | how do I know which module to load? |
| 02:28.00 | the_lord_laptop | it's an scsi dvd drive I think |
| 02:28.08 | pumpkin0 | edju: modular (now, it was a mono-build before) |
| 02:28.28 | the_lord_laptop | hello? |
| 02:28.30 | pumpkin0 | daeds: a full install takes 2-3 GB. |
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| 02:28.43 | xtni | in a shell script, what is the '.' in '. /usr/bin/echo hi' for? |
| 02:28.48 | pumpkin0 | the_lord_laptop: which laptop has a SCSI dvd/cdrom ? |
| 02:29.10 | xtni | or in this case, ". /etc/default/bwbar" |
| 02:29.11 | daeds | pumpkin0: also, the sources.list contains lines that show "stable main" and "stable/updates main"... should i change these to "testing main"? |
| 02:29.17 | daeds | or etch |
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| 02:29.37 | daeds | example: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 02:29.42 | pumpkin0 | daeds: it´s up to you, most people use "testing" |
| 02:29.53 | phogg | xtni: . is an alias for 'source' (more or less) |
| 02:29.55 | pumpkin0 | daeds: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 02:30.03 | daeds | ok thanks |
| 02:30.04 | Mike_ | how do I add a wireless card in debian? I have a pcmcia card |
| 02:30.15 | daeds | i think i'll give that a go and let it download while i sleep |
| 02:30.29 | pumpkin0 | the_lord_laptop: Or is it a SATA-thing ? |
| 02:30.33 | amphi | Mike_: does it show up in lscpi output? |
| 02:30.33 | xtni | phogg: source? |
| 02:30.45 | Mike_ | I think so I think it says broadcom |
| 02:30.56 | the_lord_laptop | pumpkin0, yes, a SATA |
| 02:31.00 | pumpkin0 | xtni: where to look for files ... |
| 02:31.11 | pumpkin0 | the_lord_laptop: thinkpad ? |
| 02:31.13 | Mike_ | amphi, it says Bradcom Corporaton: Unknown device |
| 02:31.30 | Mike_ | amphi, it says Bradcom Corporaton: Unknown device 4318 (rev2) |
| 02:31.36 | the_lord_laptop | pumpkin0, dell 1505 |
| 02:31.36 | dvs | Mike_: update-pciids |
| 02:31.37 | xtni | pumpkin0: but it has the full path? |
| 02:31.53 | amphi | Mike_: you mean 'Broadcom Corporation'? ;) |
| 02:32.03 | pumpkin0 | xtni: it may need other files, like datafiles from the dir it is in right now. |
| 02:32.06 | Mike_ | yes |
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| 02:32.13 | daeds | 743 upgraded, 365 newly installed, 58 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 02:32.18 | daeds | oh nice |
| 02:32.21 | Mike_ | amphi, updat-pciids done now what? |
| 02:32.35 | xtni | pumpkin0: ah thanks, i think i get it.. it specifies the source for the destination program |
| 02:32.36 | pumpkin0 | daeds: yes, that is a normal output for a distupgrade. |
| 02:32.52 | amphi | Mike_: dunno about broadcom at all; I hear there is a native driver for some, at least |
| 02:33.00 | the_lord_laptop | pumpkin0, any ideas? |
| 02:33.03 | daeds | pumpkin0: thank you very much, you've been of great help |
| 02:33.24 | itchi | amphi: Sorry, was writting these note |
| 02:33.27 | pumpkin0 | the_lord_laptop: newer touched dell myself, wiat for other people in the channel to pick out the thread. |
| 02:33.29 | the_lord_laptop | pumpkin0, can you point me to the page specificating all the special kernel options of the installer? |
| 02:33.38 | Mike_ | It did change Broadcom Corp. BCM4318 [airforce One 54g] |
| 02:33.45 | itchi | the_lord_laptop: Which release tryyou to install? |
| 02:33.47 | daeds | oh one last question, does anyone know if debian has native support for wireless nics with the rt2500 chipset? |
| 02:33.53 | itchi | arg, that console lol |
| 02:33.54 | Mike_ | amphi, does that help? |
| 02:34.06 | Mike_ | amphi, do I need to modprobe anything? |
| 02:34.26 | amphi | !tell Mike_ about bcm43xx |
| 02:34.28 | the_lord_laptop | itchi, ethc |
| 02:34.32 | the_lord_laptop | *etch |
| 02:34.39 | Red_Cloud | I want to install debian and am using gparted to partition. How do I mount a primary partition using gparted? |
| 02:34.57 | itchi | the_lord_laptop: With mine one i need to give as boot param 'install libata.atapi_enable=1' |
| 02:35.28 | the_lord_laptop | itchi, ok, I'll login here with nick the_lord |
| 02:35.31 | itchi | Red_Cloud: You not mount an partition with gparted, you do that with an os |
| 02:35.34 | amphi | itchi: heh, you've been having fun from the beginning ;) |
| 02:35.40 | the_lord_laptop | and boot the laptop in debian and see |
| 02:35.41 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: you don´t mount stuff with gparted ... you create/delete/resize it with gparted. |
| 02:35.42 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
| 02:35.48 | itchi | amphi: ;-) |
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| 02:35.57 | daeds | any information on rt2500 wireless cards? will i have to use the rt2x00 project or niswrappers? |
| 02:36.04 | itchi | the_lord_laptop: boe |
| 02:36.10 | itchi | crap, wrong nick |
| 02:36.37 | amphi | daeds: the native driver works, why would you use disgusting ndiswrapper? |
| 02:36.50 | itchi | amphi: Tomorrow, i try to fix that console |
| 02:36.52 | amphi | daeds: there are two native drivers IIRC |
| 02:36.55 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 itchi thanks |
| 02:36.57 | daeds | i've had problems with other distros |
| 02:37.12 | amphi | daeds: one reference driver from ralink, and another one |
| 02:37.15 | daeds | well, when i say other distros i mean good old fedora core |
| 02:37.24 | daeds | and its incompatible kernels |
| 02:38.05 | amphi | itchi: nothing more important to do? ;) |
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| 02:38.40 | daeds | amphi: are the native drivers autodetected for my lovely ease or do they need some sort of config, obviously i expect to state an AP at some point... |
| 02:39.05 | Mike_ | amphi, what does that mean I should already have the driver? |
| 02:39.06 | amphi | daeds: I expect you'll have to build the module from source ;) |
| 02:39.06 | itchi | amphi: hehe |
| 02:39.27 | amphi | Mike_: I have no idea - what kernel do you have? |
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| 02:39.54 | daeds | amphi: ok thanks, hopefully it'll work for me with debian. fedora was just crap. |
| 02:40.08 | amphi | daeds: the rt2500 driver went into the kernel, I think, but I don't know what version |
| 02:40.08 | pumpkin0 | daeds: which is pretty easy since the source and the build-progs are included in testing. |
| 02:40.11 | Mike_ | 2,4,27 |
| 02:40.22 | daeds | ahh excellent |
| 02:40.30 | Mike_ | I forgot how to update my kernel |
| 02:40.32 | daeds | i'm loving debian already |
| 02:40.37 | Mike_ | \using apt-get |
| 02:40.43 | pumpkin0 | daeds: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=rt2500&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 02:40.57 | the_lord | itchi: it worked! |
| 02:40.59 | amphi | daeds: it's pretty easy in any case |
| 02:41.03 | the_lord | itchi: thx a lot |
| 02:41.07 | amphi | the_lord: w00t ;) |
| 02:41.20 | daeds | i presume i'll need wireless tools too |
| 02:41.20 | itchi | the_lord: Thanks those who told it me ;-) |
| 02:41.25 | amphi | daeds: yes |
| 02:41.33 | itchi | the_lord: And share your knowledges ;-) |
| 02:41.33 | Mike_ | amphi, can you give me the command to ugrade my kernel with apt-get? |
| 02:41.58 | pumpkin0 | Mike_: which version of debian are you using ? sarge ? |
| 02:42.04 | Mike_ | sarge |
| 02:42.06 | Mike_ | yes |
| 02:42.18 | amphi | Mike_: apt-cache search kernel-image (or linux-image), and choose one, and apt-get install it |
| 02:42.33 | daeds | where will i find the source installed to once update has finished though? |
| 02:42.50 | daeds | god, i sound so dumb... i know some things and not others |
| 02:43.13 | amphi | daeds: from what pumpkin0 said, you can probably just get module-assistant to do all the work |
| 02:43.15 | the_lord | itchi: of course |
| 02:43.19 | Wyzard | sun-java5-plugin only exists on i386? |
| 02:43.29 | Wyzard | even though sun-java5-bin exists on both i386 and amd64? |
| 02:43.57 | daeds | amphi: ahh ok, i'll give this a go |
| 02:44.27 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: There is no 64 bit plugin (if you look on the download page for sun java it mentions that) |
| 02:44.59 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: I just found a wishlist bug for it in the BTS... but that's weird, and surprising |
| 02:45.07 | itchi | the_lord: Works at least one of the both network cards? |
| 02:45.45 | the_lord | itchi: yes |
| 02:45.56 | the_lord | dell is way too linux-friendly |
| 02:45.58 | itchi | I'm curious how i can install Debian with the netinst on my laptop without any external pcmcia network card |
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| 02:46.05 | nekostar | sup all |
| 02:46.12 | nekostar | hey that sticky bit.. to set something suid |
| 02:46.14 | tnks | all right... I finally got my Linux partition back after that grub "unhide" fiasco. |
| 02:46.15 | pumpkin0 | itchi: not at all ? |
| 02:46.22 | nekostar | how does one do that? |
| 02:46.33 | daeds | thanks for the help everyone, sleep time |
| 02:46.34 | tnks | All this because I can't get XP to dual boot the way 2K used to. |
| 02:46.41 | itchi | pumpkin0: Now it works, thanks to amphi for the both cards. |
| 02:46.47 | pumpkin0 | nekostar: read "man chmod" carfully |
| 02:46.55 | itchi | pumpkin0: There's an need to install additional external stuff |
| 02:46.56 | Mike_ | amphi, it is working so far thanks |
| 02:47.08 | nekostar | lol |
| 02:47.09 | tnks | Does anybody know if it's possible to boot XP off of a slave HD? |
| 02:47.13 | amphi | itchi: not until r1000 is in the kernel, I guess; ipw3945 perhaps cannot be, because of fw distribution problems, dunno |
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| 02:47.28 | nekostar | pumpkin0 i dont understand it fully which is why i'm asking |
| 02:47.45 | amphi | Mike_: what is? the broadcom? |
| 02:47.56 | Mike_ | \No the kernel upgrade |
| 02:48.07 | amphi | Mike_: to 2.6? |
| 02:48.15 | pumpkin0 | itchi: netinstall w/o any NICs will give you a very basic console-only system at best. you need a connection to the internet (or any debmirror). |
| 02:48.19 | Mike_ | according to you dpkg 2.6 kernel comes with some broadcom drivers |
| 02:48.26 | Mike_ | amphi, yes |
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| 02:48.44 | itchi | amphi: If at least the wired will work, thinking to these that have the same laptop as my. I have here an old pmcia card; so i'm out of that trouble, just wondering for the others. Or maybe that reason why there is not yet one with the same brand on linux on laptop |
| 02:49.03 | pumpkin0 | nekostar: "chmod +s file-you-want-to-stick" |
| 02:49.08 | amphi | Mike_: according to the bot ;) and kernels after 2.6.17-rc2 IIRC |
| 02:49.11 | itchi | pumpkin0: I make use of apt-proxy here |
| 02:49.49 | Achille | I have a ipv6 tunnel broker -- tspc, how can I keep it running at all times and avoid having to manually restart it? |
| 02:49.55 | amphi | itchi: perhaps r1000 will go into the kernel... |
| 02:50.24 | itchi | amphi: Yup, that's great news ;-) |
| 02:50.27 | Mike_ | amphi, shoot I didn't get the choice for that kernel |
| 02:50.46 | Mike_ | best I could get was 2.6.8.3 |
| 02:50.50 | pumpkin0 | nekostar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit (you may want the SUID-Bit, which is a different thing altogether...) |
| 02:51.05 | amphi | itchi: well, it's not news, just idle speculation ;) |
| 02:51.17 | amphi | Mike_: backports.org |
| 02:51.28 | amphi | Mike_: or build the driver yourself |
| 02:51.29 | Mike_ | amphi, I don't know that? |
| 02:51.37 | Mike_ | amphi, can I do that? |
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| 02:51.45 | Mike_ | build a driver? |
| 02:51.55 | amphi | Mike_: backports.org has a more recent kernel for sarge I believe |
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| 02:52.27 | Mike_ | can I apt-get install it? |
| 02:53.12 | amphi | Mike_: well, the bot says a patch, so it sounds like you have to patch kernel source and build a kernel + modules, dunno; see the site the bot gave you, perhaps |
| 02:53.30 | Mike_ | ya might be over my head for now |
| 02:53.37 | amphi | Mike_: the backports.org kernel? yeah, see backports.org |
| 02:53.51 | Mike_ | I might have to just use a known good wireless card |
| 02:54.26 | amphi | Mike_: if the backports.org kernel has the driver, that's the simplest; that's apt-gettable |
| 02:54.35 | Mike_ | Is there a command I can use like modprobe something |
| 02:54.46 | Mike_ | ok I will try that |
| 02:54.48 | amphi | Mike_: not without the module ;) |
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| 02:55.35 | Mike_ | apt-get table invalid operation |
| 02:55.57 | Hotwire | hi, is there a page which lists differences between testing and unstable? |
| 02:56.19 | amphi | Mike_: 'apt-gettable' means 'possible to install via apt-get' ;) |
| 02:56.53 | LordScinawa | we gente |
| 02:57.02 | LordScinawa | ci si può menare il cazzo con debian? |
| 02:57.22 | Mike_ | haha |
| 02:58.25 | pumpkin0 | !it |
| 02:58.26 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 02:58.39 | Mike_ | amphi, is backports something I need to install? |
| 02:58.57 | amphi | Mike_: it's a website and deb repository |
| 02:59.00 | pumpkin0 | Mike_: it´s something you add to /etc/apt/soucres.list. |
| 02:59.26 | Mike_ | so I go to the website find a mirror and cut and paste it into the repo? |
| 02:59.53 | amphi | Mike_: it's newer versions packaged for sarge/stable (backported) |
| 02:59.59 | pumpkin0 | Mike_: and you run apt-get update afterwards so apt knows what is out there. |
| 03:00.30 | Mike_ | pumpkin0, so yes cut and paste? |
| 03:00.49 | amphi | Mike_: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 03:01.52 | evil_andy | how do I force nfs to use client v3 in sarge? |
| 03:01.54 | amphi | Mike_: also three lines in /etc/apt/preferences - create the file if it doesn't exist |
| 03:02.11 | amphi | Mike_: Package: * |
| 03:02.16 | no0tic | hi, where can I find a good source.list ? |
| 03:02.21 | amphi | Mike_: Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
| 03:02.39 | amphi | Mike_: Pin-Priority: 200 |
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| 03:02.58 | amphi | Mike_: those are the three lines ^^^ |
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| 03:04.03 | itchi | amphi: To scale the CPU speed when on battery, what tools recomend you? |
| 03:04.33 | pumpkin0 | itchi: none. It´s build into the kernel for most cpu types. |
| 03:04.34 | amphi | itchi: I just use the ondemand governor, or the powersave one |
| 03:04.40 | Mike_ | amphi, OK i did that what does that do? |
| 03:04.47 | LordScinawa | hum |
| 03:04.56 | LordScinawa | anyone can tell me something about this? |
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| 03:04.57 | LordScinawa | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 03:04.58 | LordScinawa | (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1) |
| 03:04.58 | LordScinawa | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 03:04.58 | LordScinawa | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 03:05.11 | amphi | Mike_: added one line to sources.list and 3 to preferences? |
| 03:05.19 | daeds|away | apparently this upgrade my fail to update something, but i forget what it was |
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| 03:05.23 | Mike_ | amphi, yes |
| 03:05.25 | daeds|away | something to do with the X system |
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| 03:05.33 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: you have installed the wrong driver package for your xserver. |
| 03:05.38 | amphi | itchi: under sysfs, you see a directory cpufreq? |
| 03:05.40 | LordScinawa | what!?!?! |
| 03:05.45 | itchi | Because when i'm on battery it is only for 1:30 while in winshit it is 3:30 |
| 03:05.46 | LordScinawa | no.. i think not :D |
| 03:05.53 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.59 | LordScinawa | probabily i miss to add the module :| |
| 03:06.01 | pumpkin0 | itchi: you are missing something important... |
| 03:06.09 | amphi | Mike_: so apt-get update and then apt-cache search kernel-image and linux-image |
| 03:06.26 | LordScinawa | pumpkin0, i follow stanchina's guide and i used proper fglrx-drver |
| 03:06.28 | LordScinawa | :| |
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| 03:06.33 | LordScinawa | it'impossible! :D |
| 03:06.39 | amphi | itchi: probably the cpu is going flat out all the time ;0 |
| 03:06.45 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: the thing about the ABI is geek-talk for: this driver-package will not work with this xserver, no matter what you do. |
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| 03:06.48 | itchi | amphi: At full speed i thinkg?? |
| 03:06.56 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 whenever you have time I need some help installing a kernel |
| 03:06.58 | itchi | s/thinkg/think/ |
| 03:07.02 | amphi | itchi: yeah, that's what I meant |
| 03:07.10 | pumpkin0 | itchi: cat /proc/cpuinfo and find out. |
| 03:07.13 | the_lord | ok, now the installer tells me that the packages.gz is corrupt |
| 03:07.16 | the_lord | :( |
| 03:07.18 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, he is so fast ;-) |
| 03:07.20 | LordScinawa | O_o |
| 03:07.25 | LordScinawa | and if i change xserver? |
| 03:07.31 | LordScinawa | apt-get install xfree86 |
| 03:07.32 | amphi | itchi: do you have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq ? |
| 03:07.36 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: why ? didn´t apt-get install it .. automagicly ? |
| 03:08.07 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: i don´t think you want xfree. You want to update to a more recent version of xorg. |
| 03:08.09 | itchi | amphi: No |
| 03:08.16 | amphi | itchi: hmm... |
| 03:08.16 | Azar | ok one of the latest security upgrades for Sarge, installed a patch for "screen". Interestingly enough, now the monitor does not go on its own in "screensave" mode anymore. |
| 03:08.20 | pumpkin0 | itchi: which CPU do you have ? |
| 03:08.23 | LordScinawa | i have the LAST version of xorg :| |
| 03:08.45 | pumpkin0 | LordScinawa: get the last version of the driver... |
| 03:08.48 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea what cpufreq module such a processor would use; I have a mere pentium m 1.6 |
| 03:08.51 | LordScinawa | already..... |
| 03:08.51 | daeds|away | pumpkin0: i think this upgrade might be done, should it just stop? |
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| 03:09.07 | Mike_ | amphi, apt-get update seems to be broken all of a sudden |
| 03:09.11 | daeds|away | i did have some dialogs to go through |
| 03:09.11 | itchi | An Intel T2050 @ 1.60GHz 2MB cache |
| 03:09.17 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 I am going to install Debian From Scratch and in previous attempts I cannot get GRUB to recognize the partition and OS with update-grub. |
| 03:09.19 | pumpkin0 | daeds|away: yes,... but there should be some questions first.. |
| 03:09.23 | lunitik | Mike_: try a different mirror............. |
| 03:09.37 | itchi | who 66 |
| 03:09.39 | itchi | 666 |
| 03:09.41 | pumpkin0 | daeds|away: OK, then reboot |
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| 03:09.52 | Mike_ | what do yo mean a different mirror? |
| 03:09.59 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: SATA ? |
| 03:10.15 | daeds|away | pumpkin0: apparently some X related package might not have installed, but i'm not sure which it is. can i check it installed correctly before reboot so i can install it if it isnt there? |
| 03:10.27 | itchi | Is that stepping : 8 ? |
| 03:10.30 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 SATA is not understood by me. translate? |
| 03:10.31 | amphi | itchi: what does grep -i speedstep /boot/config-$(uname -r) say? you could pastebin it |
| 03:10.33 | pumpkin0 | daeds|away: do a "apt-get -f install" |
| 03:10.44 | Mike_ | amphi, I got it back |
| 03:10.47 | lunitik | Red_Cloud: If you don't know what it is... you likely don't have it ;) |
| 03:10.49 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: are yours disks IDE or SATA-style ? |
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| 03:10.55 | amphi | Mike_: what was the problem? |
| 03:10.59 | lunitik | Red_Cloud: Serial ATA... |
| 03:11.09 | Mike_ | I wrote Http instead of http |
| 03:11.11 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 IDE |
| 03:11.33 | Red_Cloud | and I have a single hard disk |
| 03:11.44 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/246329 |
| 03:11.46 | daeds|away | pumpkin0: i have some errors, not sure if they are critical |
| 03:11.49 | amphi | Mike_: that was just malevolent ;) |
| 03:12.08 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: strange, update-grub usually works vary fine with IDE/single HDs. post the errors (in a pastebin) |
| 03:12.12 | Mike_ | haha |
| 03:12.26 | Mike_ | Ok I did that what next? |
| 03:12.40 | Azar | I had same issues with grub, that why I moved to lilo |
| 03:12.50 | pumpkin0 | daeds|away: post them ... |
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| 03:13.01 | amphi | itchi: pfft - you could try modprobe speedstep_centrino, perhaps it works with your thing ;) |
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| 03:13.22 | lunitik | If this is DFS, then its possible /etc/mtab isn't populated correctly... |
| 03:13.30 | amphi | Mike_: install a kernel that you like the look of |
| 03:14.01 | Mike_ | Ok it didn't show me any went straight to prompt with no error |
| 03:14.06 | itchi | amphi: He have load it without any error |
| 03:14.10 | amphi | Mike_: linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 or whatever |
| 03:14.15 | daeds|away | pumpkin0: i forget that pastebin url |
| 03:14.23 | pumpkin0 | itchi: that CPU is GREAT for latops. It can be undervolted w/o major problems. I get 3:30 from a batterie rated for 2:30. |
| 03:14.23 | lunitik | !paster |
| 03:14.23 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:14.29 | adrakoa | should i do a patch.. with a option -rU? |
| 03:14.40 | Mike_ | amphi, it didn't show me any |
| 03:14.41 | amphi | itchi: so have a look in /sys/devices/system/cpu and see if you have any cpufreq stuff in there |
| 03:14.45 | Mike_ | did i do something wrong |
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| 03:15.04 | amphi | Mike_: apt-cache search 2.6.17 shows you nothing? |
| 03:15.07 | Mike_ | If I don't do the linux image it works |
| 03:15.12 | itchi | amphi: In /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ yes |
| 03:15.18 | Mike_ | linux-image |
| 03:15.21 | amphi | itchi: w00t |
| 03:15.50 | amphi | itchi: so cd into there, and cat scaling_governor and scaling_available_governors |
| 03:16.03 | daeds|away | pumpkin0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4440 |
| 03:16.05 | Mike_ | amphi, the best I can get here is 2.6.16-1 |
| 03:16.25 | evil_andy | is there any way to force debian sarge to use version 3 of the nfs client? I'm stuck using v2 for some reason. |
| 03:16.26 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 I have deleted the partition and am going to attempt the install again. The instructions that I am following says to use Is this a legitimate line command? dpkg-repack kernel-image-2.6.11 and then dpkg -i Is there such a command as dpkg-repack |
| 03:16.31 | amphi | Mike_: how odd; I have 2.6.17 shown here... |
| 03:16.56 | amphi | itchi: what does scaling_governor say? |
| 03:16.58 | no0tic | ok, since ieee80211 is present in 2.6.18 kernel, why ipw3945 doesn't compile correctly? I installed linux-headers but make doesn't find ieee80211.h... |
| 03:17.01 | lunitik | Any docs on the matter for later? |
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| 03:17.20 | amphi | lunitik: I think they're trying to move more non-process stuff out of /proc |
| 03:17.49 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: i think it´s easier to do apt-get install linux-image-2.6 ... |
| 03:17.50 | lunitik | amphi: ahh... makes sense I suppose :) |
| 03:18.15 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 then I will give it a try |
| 03:18.17 | itchi | amphi: There is just an line 'performance' |
| 03:18.19 | pumpkin0 | daeds|away: looks like "locale" broke. i do not know enough about locale to help you.. |
| 03:18.19 | Red_Cloud | thanks |
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| 03:18.32 | daeds|away | god damn. |
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| 03:18.33 | lunitik | I think just now is the first time I've ever browsed around in /sys ... weird |
| 03:18.35 | Mike_ | yep the best one that it shows is 2.6.17-1 |
| 03:18.43 | Mike_ | oops |
| 03:18.49 | amphi | itchi: that'll keep the cpu at full speed all the time ;) |
| 03:18.50 | Mike_ | 2.6.16.1 |
| 03:18.51 | pumpkin0 | itchi: "echo "conservative" > scaling_governor" |
| 03:18.54 | Mike_ | i mean |
| 03:19.06 | amphi | itchi: what about cat scaling_available_governors |
| 03:19.08 | lunitik | amphi: when did they start populating /sys? any idea? |
| 03:19.13 | nst | how can i unistall gnome? |
| 03:19.17 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i like somethings fast :-p |
| 03:19.18 | amphi | lunitik: no |
| 03:19.30 | pumpkin0 | daeds|away: it should be something like a broken config file... apt-get install -o reinstall locale ? |
| 03:19.33 | amphi | itchi: you also like battery-time, huh? |
| 03:19.43 | lunitik | nst: aptitude purge libgnomeui or something important like that.... |
| 03:19.53 | amphi | itchi: what about cat scaling_available_governors? |
| 03:19.58 | itchi | amphi: Same thing |
| 03:20.12 | pumpkin0 | !tell nst about remove gnome |
| 03:20.20 | amphi | itchi: only 'performance' ? |
| 03:20.33 | lunitik | nst: if you installed via aptitude... whatever you used to install gnome, you can use that too... it will tell you its going to automatically remove unneeded packages.... |
| 03:20.36 | mick_linux | anyone know how to make FF not look so bad :) i'm under kde - i remember on some other boxen that it didn't look like this. i think it has to do w/ some gnome+firefox integration thing (or a lacking kde+ firefox integration thing) |
| 03:20.41 | itchi | amphi: Yup |
| 03:20.42 | daeds|away | pumpkin0: i cant get to a terminal now... |
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| 03:20.51 | nst | right, im trying...brb |
| 03:20.56 | Mike_ | amphi, did I want to put the backports line on the top of the list or does it matter? |
| 03:20.56 | itchi | pumpkin0: Yeah, i hope so that my cpu is fine ;-) |
| 03:21.05 | lunitik | mick_linux: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ? |
| 03:21.20 | mick_linux | i'll apt get that :) |
| 03:21.34 | lunitik | mick_linux: that will give you a kcontrol module to edit the gtk theme... be it to match the kde theme, or use another gtk theme |
| 03:21.44 | lunitik | mick_linux: yes... it should be in main... at least in etch and sid |
| 03:21.46 | itchi | amphi: Is that sad news? |
| 03:21.46 | amphi | Mike_: makes no difference |
| 03:21.48 | daeds|away | i think i might have a broken system here |
| 03:21.51 | mick_linux | :) |
| 03:22.11 | amphi | itchi: perhaps - what does modprobe -l | grep cpufreq show? |
| 03:22.59 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/246335 |
| 03:23.05 | lunitik | mick_linux: apt-cache search gtk2-engines to look for other gtk2 themes that are packaged... also, kde-styles to look for packaged kde themes ... both can be used for GTK apps... although KDE themes aren't perfect yet... |
| 03:23.30 | Azar | daeds|away: I has some X issues myself lately but nothing that can't be fixed, what you use? xfree86? |
| 03:23.49 | amphi | itchi: modprobe cpufreq_ondemand && echo ondemand > scaling_governor |
| 03:23.55 | lunitik | (Its possible to make it better... for instance using Windows styled scrollbars etc...) |
| 03:24.14 | mick_linux | thanks lunitik |
| 03:24.17 | mick_linux | brb |
| 03:24.54 | Mike_ | amphi, I did it to my other debian machine and got the same thing amphi |
| 03:25.09 | Mike_ | only 2,6,16,1 |
| 03:25.30 | itchi | amphi: That ondemand, what mean that exactly? |
| 03:25.47 | amphi | Mike_: I get 38 packages listed here for 2.6.17 |
| 03:26.01 | Mike_ | wierd I wonder what the different is? |
| 03:26.09 | amphi | lunitik: heh - the 90-90 rule |
| 03:26.41 | lunitik | amphi: no idea what that is :o |
| 03:26.45 | itchi | amphi: Are there 3 modes ? performance, ondemand conservative |
| 03:26.45 | Mike_ | amphi, my last line says |
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| 03:27.08 | Mike_ | rt2500-source - rt2500 wireless network drivers source |
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| 03:27.36 | amphi | lunitik: 'the first 90% of the work takes the first 90% of the time, and the rest takes the other 90% of the time' or something like that |
| 03:27.38 | Mike_ | last line on my apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 03:28.08 | amphi | itchi: and powersave, which keeps it at the lowest freq all the time regardless of load |
| 03:28.14 | mick_linux | lunitik: did i miss something? can it be that it didn't apply bec ause i had removed gnome? |
| 03:28.22 | baegle | I'm running Etch. I installed Python 2.4 and python-psyco from apt. I can't import psyco though, it fails on import and provides an error that pysco might not be compiled for this version of python. I get an: "undefined symbol: PyFPE_jbuf" |
| 03:28.26 | ArtVandalae | It's the 80/20 rule... 20% of the product takes 80% of the time |
| 03:28.29 | Mike_ | amphi, if I do apt-cache search linux image it works |
| 03:28.37 | lunitik | amphi: ahh... I think I've heard that better worded before... |
| 03:28.38 | amphi | itchi: conservative ramps up a bit slower than ondemand, is my understanding |
| 03:29.00 | amphi | lunitik: yeah, I bollocksed it up rather *sigh* |
| 03:29.09 | mick_linux | baegle: as a guess, what happens when you get python2.3 ? |
| 03:29.16 | lunitik | mick_linux: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt will install GTK2 if its not around... I thought you wanted GTK apps to not look ugly? |
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| 03:29.33 | mick_linux | lunitik: right, but nothing changed |
| 03:29.42 | amphi | only ncurses is not ugly |
| 03:29.53 | Mike_ | amphi, what is the difference between 486 and 686? |
| 03:30.01 | Mike_ | ampi I have a p3 lappy? |
| 03:30.18 | lunitik | mick_linux: go into KControl > Appearance & Themes > GTK Styles & Fonts ... put it on Raleigh and back to the Qt theme... then restart any GTK apps |
| 03:30.24 | amphi | Mike_: 686 should be good for that |
| 03:30.33 | lunitik | mick_linux: Its a little quirk I've noticed :o |
| 03:30.33 | mick_linux | oh, duh :) thanks :D |
| 03:30.58 | Mike_ | Ok now these are linux images and not kernel is there a difference? |
| 03:31.13 | baegle | mick_linux: If I run python2.3 and import psyco, it tells me no module name psyco |
| 03:31.26 | lunitik | Mike_: (maybe) etch... and certainly Sid have more kernels than just Linux... thats the reason for the name change |
| 03:31.50 | lunitik | Mike_: afaik FreeBSD and HURD are installable |
| 03:31.53 | Mike_ | So can I apt-get it |
| 03:32.15 | lunitik | Mike_: umm... sure? |
| 03:32.21 | Mike_ | apt-get install linux-image-868-xxx |
| 03:32.22 | Azar | it is safer to use aptitude when installing new kernel |
| 03:32.33 | Mike_ | ? |
| 03:32.34 | lunitik | You can apt-get anything that apt-cache search shows up... |
| 03:32.35 | Azar | aptitude install... |
| 03:32.41 | Mike_ | coo |
| 03:32.44 | Mike_ | cool |
| 03:33.20 | amphi | itchi: you probably want to start putting these modules into /etc/modules... |
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| 03:33.41 | lunitik | Would be cool to take out any frustrations that already require a reinstall :) |
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| 03:34.00 | Azar | lunitik: no need for that, just abruptly go to sid, install non debian packages from some obscure sites, and watch it die |
| 03:34.02 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 03:34.15 | amphi | lunitik: just make a package that conflicts with libc ;) |
| 03:34.28 | quik_ | can anyone explain the best mail server (in terms of ease of setup and maintenance? ) |
| 03:34.33 | lunitik | amphi: haha... yuck... :) |
| 03:34.36 | dendrite | lunitik: Just apt-get some stuff from ubuntu... |
| 03:34.41 | Azar | haha |
| 03:34.43 | Mike_ | amphi I am installing 2.6.18.2-686 now |
| 03:34.45 | itchi | amphi: When i try with conservative or powersave give me invalid argument |
| 03:34.59 | lunitik | quik_: there are documents on the internet that compare some.... |
| 03:35.03 | Mike_ | amphi, does anybody compile kernels anymore? |
| 03:35.10 | amphi | itchi: you have loaded the relevant modules? |
| 03:35.23 | amphi | Mike_: I'm running a kernel I compiled... |
| 03:35.27 | lunitik | quik_: google for "sendmail exim postfix qmail" for a good one (should be first result) |
| 03:35.30 | Mike_ | amphi, nice |
| 03:35.32 | quik_ | lunitik: .. and I wanted to talk to some debian heads with their own thoughts who will argue the point with each other :) |
| 03:35.34 | itchi | amphi: These that you have tell me to load |
| 03:35.50 | amphi | Mike_: I forget why... ;) there was a reason |
| 03:35.54 | Mike_ | I used to compile kernels when I ran slackware but this debian stuff is so much easier |
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| 03:35.57 | Azar | quik_: I have none because I am not smart enough to configure one |
| 03:36.07 | lunitik | quik_: No one will here... exim was chosen because its GPL and maintained... and now no one cares to change it.... |
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| 03:36.31 | amphi | itchi: I could upgrade really... |
| 03:36.38 | amphi | er, Mike_ ^^^ |
| 03:36.47 | quik_ | externally hosted mail agents are just easier aren't they? |
| 03:37.03 | lunitik | Azar: I bet you can configure ssmtp :) |
| 03:37.13 | Mike_ | wierd amphi it just switched to lilo |
| 03:37.15 | mick_linux | lunitik: am i going nutz or am i missing something on the left: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5783/snapshot1rx1.png |
| 03:37.16 | amphi | itchi: you must modprobe the modules for the governors you want to use... it's not rocket surgery ;) |
| 03:37.18 | lunitik | Azar: it just farts everything to a smart persons mail server :) |
| 03:37.27 | Mike_ | from grub |
| 03:37.31 | mick_linux | kcontrol is supposed to have some icons there, right? |
| 03:37.37 | Azar | quik_: yes and besides, mail has became a pest: all spammers around and setting up filters n stuff bah... too much work |
| 03:37.44 | amphi | Mike_: ooh, scary |
| 03:37.52 | itchi | amphi: Yup; but i not know which one to load lol |
| 03:38.03 | quik_ | Azar: so if I've just grabbed a vps, what are my options? |
| 03:38.08 | itchi | amphi: Where can i see the modules that are available? |
| 03:38.10 | lunitik | mick_linux: ahh... someone in #debian-kde helped me with that... they're all in Lost & Found... you have to symlink something to somewhere.... |
| 03:38.10 | Mike_ | Shit it errored out |
| 03:38.11 | Azar | lunitik: Three years ago on woody I tried to setup postfix, never worked, gave up |
| 03:38.23 | mick_linux | oh god |
| 03:38.31 | amphi | itchi: the names in the output of modprobe -l | grep cpufreq are suggestive... |
| 03:38.31 | Azar | quik_: I use web-based mail like yahoo and stuff. |
| 03:38.32 | Mike_ | 2.6.18 might be too much for my p3 lappy |
| 03:38.33 | Mike_ | lol |
| 03:38.41 | lunitik | mick_linux: its one command... hah... but yeah... you're running Sid... so accidents happen ;) |
| 03:38.56 | mick_linux | lunitik: nope, testing |
| 03:39.04 | DerJamster | apt-listbugs helps either way :> |
| 03:39.10 | quik_ | all the MTAs are really OLD |
| 03:39.11 | mick_linux | etch |
| 03:39.14 | Mike_ | amphi, I am scared to reboot now lol |
| 03:39.16 | lunitik | mick_linux: hmm... yuck... wonder how that went into testing? :$ |
| 03:39.18 | moshii | Mike_: 2.6 might perform better that 2.4 |
| 03:39.22 | amphi | Mike_: I was suggesting 2.6.17... perhaps it would be the same |
| 03:39.29 | moshii | Mike_: *than |
| 03:39.46 | Azar | quik_: all "elite" pride for using postfix, google for it, read see if you can hold that load |
| 03:39.51 | Mike_ | Ok I will try 2.6.17 before I reboot |
| 03:39.53 | amphi | Mike_: I have a vague idea that 2.6.18 changes much |
| 03:39.59 | baegle | So I've got python2.4 and python-psyco, python2.4 can't import psyco because it can't find a symbol and python2.3 can't import psyco because it can't find the package. Any ideas on how to get psyco imported in 2.4? |
| 03:40.25 | quik_ | macs have postfix preinstalled with the os, that might be a good reason to use it also (already installed on my dev machine) |
| 03:40.25 | amphi | lunitik: 'sid for chickens', heh |
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| 03:40.40 | Azar | quik_: make sure your ISP aloows you to use your own mailserver... some ISPs block the ports |
| 03:40.46 | Mike_ | Ok I am starting to install the 2.6.17.2 kernel |
| 03:41.09 | amphi | Mike_: please share every step of the process ;) |
| 03:41.13 | Azar | quik_: never used macs, I am just a poor proletarian |
| 03:41.15 | quik_ | mine block on smtp, but good tip ;) |
| 03:41.40 | amphi | itchi: did you find the modules? |
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| 03:41.54 | Mike_ | amphi, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-686 |
| 03:42.05 | Mike_ | that is it. |
| 03:42.06 | Azar | APTITUDE install |
| 03:42.07 | amphi | Mike_: yes, yes |
| 03:42.23 | Mike_ | when I did *18 it installed lilo and died |
| 03:42.31 | Mike_ | so not I am reinstallin *17 |
| 03:42.44 | Mike_ | I hope it doesn't kill grub |
| 03:42.44 | itchi | amphi: I think yes |
| 03:42.52 | itchi | amphi: Gona try |
| 03:43.01 | amphi | itchi: modprobe -l is very useful |
| 03:43.13 | amphi | itchi: saves much find-ing and the like |
| 03:43.37 | Mike_ | amphi, It is dieing at depmod |
| 03:43.44 | Mike_ | can fing the module source |
| 03:43.47 | Mike_ | find |
| 03:44.16 | Mike_ | amphi, phone I will be right back |
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| 03:44.54 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, sure thats usefull |
| 03:45.22 | itchi | amphi: I did modprobe cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_powersave |
| 03:45.48 | mick_linux | lunitik: can you grep your history :) -- the DebianKDE faq is as empty as the #debian-kde channel :-P |
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| 03:46.59 | itchi | amphi: He still say that it's an invalid argument |
| 03:47.26 | amphi | itchi: userspace allows you to set the freq by echo-ing it to scale_set_speed or some such, IIRC |
| 03:47.48 | amphi | itchi: what does? |
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| 03:48.29 | itchi | echo "powersave" > scaling_governor bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| 03:48.35 | DavidProck1981 | finaly, im on etch now |
| 03:48.56 | amphi | itchi: lsmod shows the module is loaded? |
| 03:50.56 | itchi | amphi: There is only cpufreq_ondemand, speedstep_centrino that are used |
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| 03:51.12 | itchi | amphi: and freq_table |
| 03:51.26 | DavidProck1981 | how do i fix this i did the thing with backports.org in my sourcelist and did apt-get install fglrx-driver and i get this fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (< 6.9.99), WHEN i do apt-get install xorg , how do i tell it what version i want |
| 03:51.32 | ebil | Ok, I'm in a real bind here. I just installed kernel 2.6.17 (from testing) on my sarge machine, and during bootup it's hanging at the point of starting udev |
| 03:51.50 | ebil | I have: Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udev |
| 03:51.59 | ebil | and it's been like that for about 15 minutes |
| 03:52.11 | ebil | any ideas of what might be wrong with it? |
| 03:52.23 | itchi | ebil: Is udev installed? |
| 03:52.34 | ebil | itchi: yes, it is, and up to date |
| 03:52.42 | ebil | itchi: and I removed hotplug like it told me to |
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| 03:53.04 | itchi | ebil: Can you go to another console? |
| 03:53.18 | ebil | itchi: on this machine? or the one I'm trying to boot? |
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| 03:53.31 | itchi | ebil: These you try to boot |
| 03:53.37 | amphi | itchi: so modprobe the module for the scaling governor you want to use |
| 03:53.44 | DavidProck1981 | i JUST NOW got etch installed and it was hanging / waiting for something after about 3 restrrts it went away |
| 03:53.47 | ebil | itchi: udev is the first line after INIT: version 2.86 booting |
| 03:53.54 | ebil | there are no vterms yet |
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| 03:54.39 | itchi | amphi: I did modprobe cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_powersave So these should be are loaded but not show up |
| 03:54.41 | ebil | itchi: I mean, I can reboot the machine into a lower kernel version, but I'm not sure how stable it would be... |
| 03:54.58 | itchi | amphi: Also give no erro while probing, so i guess these are been loaded right |
| 03:55.11 | ebil | B |
| 03:55.14 | ebil | err. |
| 03:55.18 | itchi | ebil: Try it out, like it not boot actually |
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| 03:55.33 | DavidProck1981 | oh my god now that text is scrooling it is really LAGGING HELP how do i fix this, I did the thing with backports.org in my sourcelist and did apt-get install fglrx-driver and i get this fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (< 6.9.99), WHEN i do apt-get install xorg , how do i tell it what version i want |
| 03:56.12 | ebil | itchi: it will boot using 2.6.8-3, but that's an ancient kernel, and is having issues when my ethernet card is under high load |
| 03:56.26 | DavidProck1981 | i really need that video driver, how do i down grade to xorg 6.9.99 |
| 03:56.27 | DerJamster | DavidProck1981: I suggest grabbing the installer off ati.com |
| 03:56.35 | DerJamster | and just running that one. |
| 03:56.48 | itchi | DavidProck1981: There is somethings like apt-get install -t backports xorg Not yet remember the exact syntax |
| 03:57.02 | cwraig | hi guys does anyone know how to connect to a remote xdmcp server from a xterm session? |
| 03:57.12 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You have the 7.0? |
| 03:57.18 | DavidProck1981 | someone told me the ati one is not as good |
| 03:57.20 | ebil | itchi: booting 2.6.8-2. gave warning about not starting udev |
| 03:57.23 | DerJamster | DavidProck1981: it's the same |
| 03:57.29 | DerJamster | fglrx = ati.com's drivers |
| 03:57.31 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell |
| 03:57.35 | itchi | ebil: Just warnings but continue? |
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| 03:57.40 | DavidProck1981 | what it currently is |
| 03:57.48 | amphi | itchi: does lsmod show they have been loaded? no point guessing |
| 03:57.48 | ebil | itchi: yes, it's booted fine. but on 2.6.8, not 2.6.17 |
| 03:58.06 | itchi | amphi: No, he not show it's loaded |
| 03:58.13 | itchi | amphi: Strange not? |
| 03:58.31 | itchi | ebil: Yup maybe, but i'm older :-p |
| 03:58.37 | DavidProck1981 | oh where is the fssstab file again lol |
| 03:58.49 | cwraig | David: /etc/fstab |
| 03:59.19 | DavidProck1981 | ok it did not add my back up hdd |
| 03:59.26 | itchi | ebil: Maybe reinstall that udev part or so? Or look if it is been installed |
| 03:59.29 | amphi | itchi: not really - see man modprobe, it says nothing about specifying multiple modules; rather stuff after the module name ius considered parameters for that module |
| 03:59.40 | ebil | itchi: udev is up to date. |
| 03:59.52 | DavidProck1981 | it is hdd1 if i want every one to have full access to it what would i add |
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| 03:59.59 | itchi | amphi: So i should load one after one? |
| 04:00.04 | ebil | itchi: and there are no other udev-like packages |
| 04:00.22 | amphi | itchi: there would seem to be no alternative ;) |
| 04:01.18 | itchi | amphi: heh, yeah, now it's lsmod'ed |
| 04:01.21 | DavidProck1981 | OR |
| 04:01.33 | itchi | amphi: Uh, that's sound English :-) |
| 04:01.57 | amphi | itchi: and now you can use the scaling governor, I hope |
| 04:02.07 | itchi | amphi: I hope too ;-) |
| 04:02.54 | amphi | is udev a real nightmare, BTW? |
| 04:02.54 | DavidProck1981 | which line would make a better template to go WITH /dev/hde1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 OR /dev/hde6 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 TO add my hdd1 |
| 04:03.09 | DavidProck1981 | those r the current ones |
| 04:03.36 | amphi | !r |
| 04:03.37 | dpkg | hmm... r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 04:03.43 | DavidProck1981 | i want all to have full access to the hdd |
| 04:04.08 | itchi | whooooaaaaaaaaa 4:51 !! Debian do me flashing |
| 04:04.28 | amphi | itchi: huh? |
| 04:04.42 | itchi | ow, 12 now :-/ |
| 04:04.50 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, looks to work :-p |
| 04:05.03 | DavidProck1981 | what is that last number for in fstab |
| 04:05.09 | itchi | But battery is on 95% now |
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| 04:05.16 | itchi | or was |
| 04:05.18 | DavidProck1981 | on each line |
| 04:05.35 | DavidProck1981 | the / is 1 and /home is 2 |
| 04:05.45 | itchi | amphi: Man; you have learn me some great things today |
| 04:05.47 | amphi | itchi: what are you talking about? |
| 04:05.51 | Roey | hey all |
| 04:05.53 | Roey | amphi: hi hi |
| 04:05.58 | itchi | amphi: The life time of the batery |
| 04:06.08 | amphi | itchi: 12 minutes? |
| 04:06.21 | Roey | how can I set up auditing so that I can track which files (under a given directory point) are opened for reading and log it to /var/log/somewhere? |
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| 04:06.27 | amphi | hi Roey |
| 04:06.39 | itchi | ohyea, not saw that 3:12 |
| 04:06.58 | moshii | is there anything to rip rtsp (real audio streams)? my connection ain't fast stable enough :( |
| 04:06.58 | itchi | amphi: But he is fall back again on that 1:34 |
| 04:07.08 | amphi | itchi: what's telling you that? acpi -b ? |
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| 04:07.25 | Roey | silly_girl22: hello |
| 04:07.35 | itchi | amphi: Battery 1: discharging, 93%, remaining |
| 04:07.36 | silly_girl22 | hi |
| 04:07.51 | Roey | silly_girl22: do you know your way around filesystem-level stuff? |
| 04:07.53 | itchi | amphi: But have i not scale CPU0 only? |
| 04:08.12 | silly_girl22 | a little. what is your question? |
| 04:08.21 | Roey | how can I set up auditing so that I can track which files (under a given directory point) are opened for reading and log it to /var/log/somewhere? |
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| 04:08.36 | silly_girl22 | lsof shows all opened files |
| 04:08.36 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell what ver of xorg i have |
| 04:08.46 | silly_girl22 | dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 04:08.47 | dpkg | ii | grep xorg 2.6-2 silly_girl22's private gamp collection |
| 04:08.49 | amphi | itchi: no idea about that, I have a humble single-core |
| 04:09.14 | amphi | itchi: I don't know if there is separate control |
| 04:09.19 | DavidProck1981 | who that is a long list |
| 04:09.27 | DavidProck1981 | woo* |
| 04:09.36 | DavidProck1981 | woh* |
| 04:09.46 | itchi | amphi: echo "powersave" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 04:09.46 | amphi | silly_girl22's private gamp collection, heh |
| 04:10.01 | itchi | amphi: Then s/0/1/ |
| 04:10.15 | amphi | itchi: you have both directories? |
| 04:10.22 | DavidProck1981 | what is that web sight where u past to get a link |
| 04:10.35 | amphi | !paste |
| 04:10.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 04:10.39 | Roey | silly_girl22: hmm. |
| 04:10.48 | Roey | silly_girl22: ok, but is there some command that hooks into inotiry |
| 04:10.50 | Roey | *inotify |
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| 04:11.10 | silly_girl22 | apropos inotiry |
| 04:11.32 | itchi | amphi: Yup |
| 04:11.40 | itchi | amphi: cpu0 and cpu1 |
| 04:11.53 | amphi | itchi: yeah, so do both FTW |
| 04:12.14 | silly_girl22 | Roey: sorry, i dont know what inotiry is. what is it? |
| 04:12.18 | itchi | amphi: Yup did it, still 1:29 the lifetime |
| 04:12.21 | amphi | itchi: I'd use ondemand rather than powersave; that way, you have speed when you want it |
| 04:12.23 | DavidProck1981 | look at this and http://channels.debian.net/paste/4441 |
| 04:12.43 | Roey | silly_girl22: *inotify :) It's a system call |
| 04:12.45 | DavidProck1981 | is that normal |
| 04:12.58 | amphi | itchi: you have a cardbus card in there? they eat power |
| 04:13.11 | ebil | itchi: well, this reminds me how much I hate dealing with binary distributions... (for system aspects anyhow) |
| 04:13.15 | itchi | amphi: Yup, just to test now to see the difference, but sure it will be better is some circonstance |
| 04:13.21 | Roey | silly_girl22: it's a system call that tells the kernel to tell you when a given file has been opened for read/write or closed or read or written. |
| 04:13.33 | itchi | amphi: oh |
| 04:13.40 | DavidProck1981 | well im going to go now |
| 04:13.42 | amphi | itchi: oh? |
| 04:14.05 | amphi | itchi: usb things can suck much power as well |
| 04:14.08 | itchi | amphi: I had forget it, like im on wifi now ;-) |
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| 04:15.20 | amphi | itchi: dimming the screen backlight makes quite a difference; also letting the hd spin down for a while |
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| 04:15.45 | silly_girl22 | Roey: sorry, i dont know the answer to your question. i couldnt find anything when i looked. |
| 04:16.01 | amphi | itchi: I have my machine set up so the hd can spin down for up to 10 minutes at a time on battery |
| 04:16.11 | Roey | silly_girl22: ok, thanks then :) |
| 04:16.15 | Roey | I looked to on google, couldn't find it :( |
| 04:16.27 | Roey | "auditing" "file" "linux" came up with a bunch of references to Tripwire. |
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| 04:16.32 | Roey | urg :) |
| 04:16.49 | amphi | Roey: you don't mean dnotify, do you? |
| 04:17.03 | Roey | er |
| 04:17.04 | Roey | hrm |
| 04:17.06 | Roey | one sec |
| 04:17.22 | azeem | dnotify is the old implementation |
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| 04:17.51 | amphi | azeem: ah, I'm in t3h p4st again :( |
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| 04:18.17 | DavidProck1981 | hay what is that app called that shows the gears |
| 04:18.32 | DavidProck1981 | ***gears |
| 04:18.32 | amphi | glxgears? |
| 04:18.40 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
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| 04:19.22 | DavidProck1981 | oh it say command not found |
| 04:19.29 | DavidProck1981 | glxgears |
| 04:20.12 | amphi | Mike_: you have 2.6.17 installed? |
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| 04:21.32 | Roey | amphi: thanks ! :) |
| 04:21.41 | Roey | azeem: dnotify is old? |
| 04:21.47 | Roey | azeem: what'st he current one then?? |
| 04:22.22 | itchi | amphi: Now it is 2:06 while the bat is on 82% |
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| 04:23.36 | itchi | amphi: Yup that cardbus and USB mouse eat many power |
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| 04:24.13 | Mike_ | amphi, |
| 04:24.19 | Mike_ | are you still around |
| 04:24.52 | amphi | Mike_: yeah - can you paste the output of grep HIGHMEM4G /boot/config-2.6.17 in here for me? |
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| 04:25.04 | Roey | amphi, azeem: ah, inotify-tools, perfec,t thanks |
| 04:25.58 | amphi | Roey: don't thank me, I was thinking of some old rejected stuff |
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| 04:26.20 | Mike_ | amphi, it errored during apt.get but it seems to be booting |
| 04:26.37 | amphi | Mike_: that's something - what was the error? |
| 04:26.59 | Mike_ | dep mod can't find /path/to/mods |
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| 04:27.42 | amphi | Mike_: modules should be in /lib/modules/2.6.17 |
| 04:28.11 | amphi | Mike_: or /lib/modules/$(uname -a) to be exact |
| 04:28.20 | amphi | er, uname -r |
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| 04:28.33 | itchi | amphi: I see here with the CPU Freauency Scaling Monitor applet in Gnome that the CPU is on 800MHz, so it sould be fine i guess |
| 04:28.49 | Mike_ | amphi, it worked I got the 2.6.17 kernel |
| 04:28.51 | amphi | itchi: is that the lowest it goes? |
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| 04:29.21 | DavidProck1981 | yo i have 7.1.1 and my drivers wil not install on ant thing higher that 7.0.0, i need to down grade how do i do tht |
| 04:29.21 | amphi | Mike_: grub is still there? |
| 04:29.24 | Mike_ | amphi ok now how do i get the wireless card |
| 04:29.31 | Mike_ | yes still grub weird |
| 04:29.37 | amphi | Mike_: no idea ;) |
| 04:29.40 | itchi | amphi: On Windows it was only on level 2 while it was possible to scale a bit more. So i guess there in Windows it will be longer that 3:30. I hope i should be able to fine tune it that he live near the same time |
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| 04:29.52 | DavidProck1981 | yo i have 7.1.1 and my Video Drivers wil not install on ant thing higher that 7.0.0, i need to down grade how do i do that |
| 04:30.05 | amphi | Mike_: modprobe -l | grep '^bcm43' I guess |
| 04:30.09 | itchi | amphi: Which GUI stuff can we use for that scalling ? |
| 04:30.18 | Mike_ | amphi, it doesn't outomagically wait could the new driver be there because of the new kernel? |
| 04:30.37 | amphi | Mike_: we can hope |
| 04:30.45 | DavidProck1981 | did dont answer me i got to /clear before i gad real bad |
| 04:30.57 | amphi | itchi: no idea - I just use the ondemand governor |
| 04:31.04 | DavidProck1981 | i messed something, saw it flask by |
| 04:31.28 | amphi | itchi: and my acpi script does a few little things when it switches to battery |
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| 04:31.52 | itchi | amphi: Yup ;-) yeah, just leave an note some else on the computer; for in case of when the battery needs to be life as long as possible |
| 04:32.05 | amphi | itchi: one thing which I've found handy, is to have it suspend-to-disk when the battery is almost gone |
| 04:32.35 | DavidProck1981 | THIS IS HOW I GOT Xorg apt-get install xorg now how i tell it what version i have fiddle around and cant get 7.0.0 |
| 04:33.08 | amphi | Mike_: did that command turn up anything? |
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| 04:33.14 | itchi | amphi: Yup; that save to ram and hibernation and so, that's for tomorrow, it's 5:23 here ;-0 |
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| 04:33.52 | amphi | itchi: 5:23? I doubt it, your clock's wrong, by ~10 minutes IMHO |
| 04:34.00 | DavidProck1981 | xorg7.0, xorg7, xorg-7, xorg-7.0, xorg-7.0.0 stuff like that and it dont work, WHAT IS THE SYNTAX |
| 04:34.21 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install xorg? |
| 04:34.32 | itchi | Yup; i mixed both last characters it's looks; clock is right |
| 04:34.46 | itchi | I need to sleep lol :-) I'm realy out of order |
| 04:34.56 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 04:34.59 | DavidProck1981 | HOW PLZ TELL ME |
| 04:35.11 | tonyb2006 | PLZ!!!11oneone |
| 04:35.14 | tonyb2006 | </idiot> |
| 04:35.34 | amphi | !aolify tonyb2006 |
| 04:35.46 | Roey | amphi, azeem: inotifywatch/wait are so embryonic... you can't execute a command given a trigger, or even print the times along with the filenames changed! |
| 04:35.58 | itchi | amphi: Man; you have splend lot's of time today to me ;-) |
| 04:36.00 | tonyb2006 | dont accuse me of aolbonics! |
| 04:36.30 | amphi | itchi: at least it was not in vain ;) |
| 04:36.55 | amphi | itchi: you had been wrestling for some time... |
| 04:37.44 | itchi | amphi: Yup, 4 days i think, i got my laptop monday |
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| 04:40.11 | itchi | Are there no thermal sensors on duo core ? |
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| 04:40.29 | itchi | I can not get know how hot the cpu are |
| 04:40.33 | amphi | itchi: acpi -t should give you something |
| 04:40.50 | itchi | No support for device type: thermal |
| 04:40.53 | itchi | heh |
| 04:41.02 | amphi | itchi: modprobe thermal |
| 04:41.26 | itchi | amphi: Still |
| 04:41.39 | itchi | amphi: That is al automatically loaded i think |
| 04:42.03 | blizzow | Where can I get a default .config file for a stock debian 2.6.17 i386 kernel? |
| 04:42.13 | amphi | itchi: you have no /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ |
| 04:42.36 | itchi | amphi: There dir exist, but nothings in it |
| 04:42.50 | amphi | blizzow: from the kernel package, in /boot |
| 04:43.02 | amphi | itchi: dunno |
| 04:43.13 | amphi | itchi: the thermal module is loaded? |
| 04:43.18 | itchi | amphi: For tomorrow ;-) :-p |
| 04:43.28 | itchi | amphi: Yup it is default |
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| 04:43.57 | amphi | itchi: ok - à demain ;) |
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| 04:44.20 | blizzow | thanks am |
| 04:44.22 | blizzow | phi |
| 04:44.34 | itchi | amphi: hehe or Tot morgen ;-) |
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| 04:44.44 | amphi | itchi: vlaams? ;) |
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| 04:44.52 | itchi | amphi: Right |
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| 04:45.00 | itchi | amphi: Deutch i not know |
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| 04:46.04 | slept | i have a problem with some html stuff wich i got on a cd , when i open it with firefox it doesnt show the "Text" , when i look at it with screem everything looks perfect, how can i fix that ? |
| 04:46.10 | itchi | heh, how we say German? Not yet right above |
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| 04:46.34 | navaladi | hi all, I m using Debian 3.1, Is there any TOOL to get full size of website?..I mean to get the website size in GB or TB?? |
| 04:47.14 | dendrite | navaladi: This is a static site? |
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| 04:47.49 | itchi | amphi: Thanks again for all the time you gave. Gona sleep, sleep well later ;-) |
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| 04:48.00 | navaladi | dendrite - it may be dude , for some time it s size..but it may vary..I want to measure it at perticular time?? |
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| 04:48.01 | amphi | itchi: you're welcoe |
| 04:48.02 | blizzow | What packages do I need to have "make menuconfig" in etch work? |
| 04:48.07 | amphi | *welcome |
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| 04:48.45 | dendrite | navaladi: Well, you can use du -s <directory> to see how much disk is used by a directory... |
| 04:48.45 | blizzow | It seems to have problems with curses, but I see curses installed when I open synaptic |
| 04:48.55 | nsx | you need the devel package |
| 04:49.09 | nsx | libncurses5-dev |
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| 04:49.14 | dendrite | navaladi: But if the site has non-public stuff, or you don't have shell, then you'd need to wget the entire site first, then du it. |
| 04:49.37 | dendrite | navaladi: man du for details... |
| 04:49.49 | blizzow | nsx, thans. |
| 04:49.51 | blizzow | thanks. |
| 04:50.08 | navaladi | dendrite - Dude , well, wget ing entire http:// is impossible for big sites |
| 04:50.44 | dendrite | navaladi: I suggested that as a way to deal if you don't have shell to the server. Remember, we're not psychic, and you are supplying almost no details. |
| 04:50.50 | navaladi | dendrite - or is there any tool, to get entire website for http:// protocol ...mirrorftp for ftp:// |
| 04:51.05 | dendrite | navaladi: ... wget. |
| 04:51.20 | Vich | I have ubuntu setup on my main computer, but I thought it was too easy and tried installing debian on my laptop |
| 04:51.21 | Vich | ouch |
| 04:51.23 | dendrite | navaladi: Or, ask the site admin for a copy on optical media. |
| 04:51.30 | Vich | I can't get a gui |
| 04:51.49 | Vich | I've tried various x11 configs |
| 04:51.55 | Vich | and am trying xorg now |
| 04:52.01 | n3kl | Hi. I need some help getting dual monitors to work with nvidia on etch. http://pastebin.ca/246419-- xorg.conf. I have been able to do this in the past, but I recently switched to debian and am still leaning the distro and have not had time to try to work this out. I am using the same driver that I was when it is working as well as the same config. Perhaps something needs to be slightly modified. Can someone please help me? |
| 04:52.21 | navaladi | dendrite : so the only way to get size immediately is having shell account.. |
| 04:52.40 | dendrite | navaladi: Yep. |
| 04:52.58 | Vich | I can't get xserver-xorg :S |
| 04:53.00 | dendrite | navaladi: Or to ask the server admin. :-) |
| 04:53.54 | slept | Vich, backports or switch to etch |
| 04:54.17 | Vich | I added the backports repository to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:54.32 | Vich | it's whinging about an unmet dependency |
| 04:54.36 | navaladi | dendrite : thx :) |
| 04:55.29 | Vich | xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1.6~bpo.4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2 is to be installed |
| 04:55.38 | Vich | o_O |
| 04:58.08 | slept | Vich, just switch to etch , for me it feels as stable as the whole ubuntu things i have tried so far |
| 04:58.24 | Vich | ok how do I switch to etch |
| 04:58.31 | dendrite | Vich: If you've got backports installed, then you've kind of gone up a blind alley, if you then want to go to etch... |
| 04:58.33 | Vich | considering I downloaded a whole sarge dvd |
| 04:58.46 | Vich | lol |
| 04:58.51 | dendrite | Vich: Get the business card or netinstall image. It's small. |
| 04:58.57 | Vich | I guess ultimately I just want this to work |
| 04:59.02 | Vich | lol, I realise that |
| 04:59.10 | Vich | but it'll get big fast |
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| 04:59.22 | Vich | I got the dvd so I'd have all the cool stuff ready |
| 04:59.32 | dendrite | Vich: Just install a minimal sarge system. |
| 04:59.32 | Vich | oh well, off to download again I go |
| 04:59.56 | dendrite | Vich: Then change your sources.list to "etch" and update/upgrade. |
| 05:00.01 | dendrite | dist-upgrade, that is. |
| 05:00.11 | Vich | hmm |
| 05:00.30 | dendrite | Vich: That way, you'll only download what you actually install, not just all the stuff on ISO images, (a lot of which you probably don't really want/need.) |
| 05:00.38 | Vich | what exactly is xorg? |
| 05:00.45 | dendrite | Vich: A fork of xfree86 |
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| 05:00.52 | Vich | that's what I thought |
| 05:00.53 | dendrite | Vich: Arguably, the future of X. |
| 05:01.04 | baegle | I'm running etch here. I apt installed python-psyco (1.5.-3) and python (2.4). I can't import psyco in python, I get the following error: undefined symbol: PyFPE_jbuf This was apparently reported as a bug last year around this time, and was supposedly fixed with version 1.4.3. I can't find any relevant current information on it. Does anyone know what I could do to fix this? |
| 05:01.34 | Vich | it has more support for other cards or something |
| 05:01.46 | slept | Vich, what card do you have ? nvidia/ati ? |
| 05:01.59 | dendrite | Vich: In any case, the key in your case is to install only a minimal sarge system, get the basics stable, and then dist-upgrade to etch, and only then shoot for adding stuff. |
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| 05:02.18 | Vich | neither, it's integrated intel |
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| 05:02.44 | Vich | I'm installing minimal sarge now |
| 05:02.47 | dendrite | Vich: In the long run you'll probably be happier with etch than with sarge + backports... |
| 05:03.08 | dendrite | Vich: Done yet? =) |
| 05:03.10 | Vich | in hindsight I think I should have came here before I downloaded that massive image |
| 05:03.19 | Vich | almost |
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| 05:03.32 | dendrite | Vich: Downloading unnecessary ISO images is a rite of passage, I think... |
| 05:03.40 | Vich | lol |
| 05:03.51 | Vich | indeed |
| 05:04.11 | ArtVandalae | :) |
| 05:06.22 | dendrite | Vich: Hopefully you used linux26 as your install base image... |
| 05:06.31 | Red_Cloud | I need some help. I am installing Debian From Scratch and cannot get my partition to mount. The partition is hda4. I use the command mount /dev/hda4 /mnt but whenever I go and look at my partitions it shows that the hda4 is still not mounted and update-grub will not recognize its kernel |
| 05:06.38 | wireddd | if you decide to install etch instead, use the buisness card cd |
| 05:07.33 | wireddd | Vich, that was for you |
| 05:07.43 | Vich | I know |
| 05:07.50 | Vich | thanks |
| 05:08.08 | dendrite | wireddd: I think Vich is going to dist-upgrade... :-) |
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| 05:08.35 | dendrite | Vich: However, if you *do* grab the business card iso for etch, (it's small...), then you can help test it! :-) :-) |
| 05:09.04 | wireddd | does sarge have the gui installer? |
| 05:11.20 | dendrite | wireddd: No. |
| 05:11.35 | wireddd | I thought it was new |
| 05:11.40 | dendrite | wireddd: Unless you consider ncurses as GUI... =) |
| 05:12.25 | Mike_ | Does anybody know where the kernel build files are? |
| 05:12.40 | wireddd | trying to build a module? |
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| 05:12.49 | DavidProck1981 | Yo after ive already installed fglrx-driver and built the kernel module with module-assistant how do i setup XOrg to use fglrx |
| 05:13.09 | DavidProck1981 | i got help with the fifst part |
| 05:13.19 | DavidProck1981 | first* |
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| 05:14.41 | afaik | I always get this error whenever I try to install something: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 05:14.51 | afaik | when i install soemthing through apt-get |
| 05:14.54 | afaik | why!? |
| 05:15.05 | DavidProck1981 | Yo after ive already installed fglrx-driver and built the kernel module with module-assistant how do i setup XOrg to use fglrx |
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| 05:16.49 | DavidProck1981 | is the helpers dead |
| 05:17.29 | Mike_ | wireddd, we are trying to get ndiswrapper working but there is no build file where there is supposed to be |
| 05:17.41 | Mike_ | keeps erroring |
| 05:17.46 | DavidProck1981 | plz elp me |
| 05:17.51 | DavidProck1981 | help |
| 05:18.11 | DavidProck1981 | After ive already installed fglrx-driver and built the kernel module with module-assistant how do i setup XOrg to use fglrx |
| 05:18.11 | dendrite | DavidProck1981: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:18.21 | DavidProck1981 | thank you |
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| 05:18.33 | dendrite | DavidProck1981: Don't repeat so much. It's rude. If nobody knows, try back later. |
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| 05:18.46 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 05:19.10 | Mike_ | there is supposed to be a build file in the kernel source and isn't what am I missing? |
| 05:19.33 | JackieBrown | make oldconfig |
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| 05:21.22 | JackieBrown | I am using Sid and xorg and am trying to launch a new xserver for a game but I only seem to have succes as root (which is ocourse not acceptable) |
| 05:21.28 | JackieBrown | I get this error |
| 05:21.31 | JackieBrown | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 8 (Permission denied) |
| 05:21.49 | DavidProck1981 | by default Vesa is selected and i see a ati option so which one it's asking about x server driver does that mean my monitor or for my video card |
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| 05:22.32 | JackieBrown | video card |
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| 05:24.17 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.58 | JackieBrown | mount /mnt/hda4 |
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| 05:25.32 | JackieBrown | or mount /media/hda4 deping how it is set |
| 05:26.06 | pickcoder | you can not mount a device into a non-empty directory |
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| 05:27.31 | JackieBrown | that too, those directories should only be used for that |
| 05:27.55 | Rusty1 | or mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 if youv'e created hda4 directory in /mnt |
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| 05:28.46 | rosen37 | Hello |
| 05:28.55 | d0uglas | how fast do ipods spin |
| 05:29.23 | Wyzard | d0uglas: depends on how dizzy they want to be |
| 05:29.23 | rosen37 | I have a prob on etch following an update. I can t switch workspace using alt+1 and < +2 ..... on wmaker. Someone know the conf file to check? |
| 05:29.35 | d0uglas | LOL wyzard!!! |
| 05:29.37 | d0uglas | :P |
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| 05:29.57 | ProActive | Hi all |
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| 05:33.08 | knix | ProActive: hi |
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| 05:36.13 | grendal_prime | hey, i want to do this on boot. |
| 05:36.36 | grendal_prime | mount -t tmpfs -o size=144m none /dev/shm |
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| 05:37.04 | grendal_prime | i should put that into the fstab right? |
| 05:37.15 | cast | i would have thought so |
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| 05:38.58 | grendal_prime | but how exactly would that look? |
| 05:39.10 | grendal_prime | i mean...obviously its not going to go in just like that |
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| 05:39.40 | cast | man fstab documents the formatting of fstab, if that's what you mean |
| 05:39.53 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:40.14 | grendal_prime | im still a little hazy on what exactly is being mounted there. |
| 05:40.47 | wireddd | /dev/shm none tmpfs size=144m 0 0 |
| 05:40.53 | wireddd | something like that I would guess |
| 05:41.03 | grendal_prime | i just know i have to do that to get the kqemu to work correctly on this machine, that and modproe a module. but im fairly certain that is pretty simple to automate |
| 05:42.00 | grendal_prime | none for the mount point? |
| 05:42.16 | grendal_prime | hmm..well ill try it..worst case it just wont work |
| 05:42.35 | grendal_prime | thanks weriddd |
| 05:42.36 | wireddd | grendal_prime, thats what you had isn't it |
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| 05:43.00 | wireddd | I think I have it backwards |
| 05:43.11 | wireddd | none /dev/shm tmpfs size=144m 0 0 |
| 05:43.28 | grendal_prime | that looks even stranger |
| 05:43.38 | wireddd | no I had it right the first time |
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| 05:44.13 | grendal_prime | ya i think it was right the firsttime...i just had not even knoticed the none in it before hehehe |
| 05:44.36 | grendal_prime | there is another partion a swap partion that has a similar setup though.. |
| 05:44.43 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 05:45.00 | grendal_prime | ok well thanks again ill reboot this and see if it comes up like that |
| 05:45.06 | wireddd | grendal_prime, |
| 05:45.13 | wireddd | mount -a |
| 05:45.17 | wireddd | that will mount it |
| 05:45.37 | wireddd | it will mount everything in fstab |
| 05:45.37 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:45.44 | grendal_prime | o |
| 05:45.45 | grendal_prime | cool |
| 05:45.54 | grendal_prime | so dont need to reboot the machine thing |
| 05:45.59 | wireddd | nope |
| 05:46.00 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 05:46.13 | wireddd | you only need to reboot to swap out kernels |
| 05:46.22 | wireddd | and there is away around that too |
| 05:46.31 | dendrite | And maybe to swap libc, if you're paranoid... |
| 05:46.43 | dendrite | wireddd: How do you swap kernels without a reboot? |
| 05:46.46 | d0uglas | a little theoretical, aren't we, wiredddd |
| 05:46.56 | d0uglas | i've basically memorized my boot sequence |
| 05:47.00 | grendal_prime | so i can unmount the current /dev/shm and then run mount -a and it should mount that one again..what about the stuff that is already still mounted..it ignores that? |
| 05:47.01 | wireddd | no |
| 05:47.20 | wireddd | yes |
| 05:47.20 | dendrite | wireddd: ?? |
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| 05:48.40 | wireddd | dendrite, kexec |
| 05:48.41 | d0uglas | <-- k-rad |
| 05:48.52 | wireddd | it is basically a reboot though |
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| 05:49.02 | wireddd | you machine doesn't turn off however |
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| 05:49.40 | dendrite | wireddd: OK, so it's not like a system that passes state from one kernel to the next... |
| 05:49.43 | grendal_prime | mount point none does not exist (the error i get with that) |
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| 05:50.16 | dendrite | Passing state from one kernel to the next would be a rather wooly problem indeed... |
| 05:50.20 | wireddd | dendrite, no. it is very usefull if you have a computer that is extremely slow to boot |
| 05:50.27 | Vich|Away | ok I'm lost |
| 05:50.51 | dendrite | wireddd: Does kexec bypass hardware init, or just BIOS/POST? |
| 05:51.04 | dendrite | wireddd: I'll read about it... |
| 05:51.20 | Vich | dendrite, how do I change to etch? |
| 05:51.42 | dendrite | Vich: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list to change all mentions of sarge or stable to "etch" . |
| 05:51.51 | Vich | oh, that easy |
| 05:51.55 | Vich | ok |
| 05:51.58 | dendrite | Vich: Then, run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:52.15 | Vich | I shall try that now |
| 05:52.33 | wireddd | things may break... |
| 05:52.46 | Vich | I don't have much working right now anyway wireddd |
| 05:52.49 | grendal_prime | umm and is the netinstall for etch fixed yet? |
| 05:53.11 | grendal_prime | it was still broke day before yestderday. |
| 05:53.12 | wireddd | grendal_prime, I installed with the buisness card cd a week ago |
| 05:53.15 | cast | doh. is there no systrace in debian anymore? is that because of things ending up broken? |
| 05:53.18 | dendrite | wireddd: He's just installed a completely bare sarge system, with the intention of going to etch. |
| 05:53.46 | wireddd | dendrite, yeah I had forgotten |
| 05:54.18 | d0uglas | blackberry support and debian: cool or whack? |
| 05:54.49 | grendal_prime | i would think that would work fine, but umm i have tried for several days last week to install some packages out of etch onto my sage system with nothing but errors |
| 05:54.52 | wireddd | anyone know if the synce packages in etch support windows mobile 5? |
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| 05:55.29 | wireddd | grendal_prime, thats not a good idea |
| 05:55.52 | grendal_prime | i have systems that run entirely on etch, the seem to work fine |
| 05:56.01 | grendal_prime | desktop systems for the most part. |
| 05:56.01 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Mixing flavors is bad. |
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| 05:56.17 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Different versions of underlying systems. |
| 05:56.31 | grendal_prime | well, ya but a full blown upgrade on this machine is a nightmare.. |
| 05:56.47 | wireddd | grendal_prime, why? |
| 05:56.48 | grendal_prime | strange video, (laptop with shared memory) |
| 05:57.04 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Maybe, but mixing sarge and etch is an even worse nightmare. |
| 05:57.29 | grendal_prime | well ive never actually succeded at it..(only tried last week) |
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| 05:58.19 | grendal_prime | and like i say...nothing but errors |
| 05:58.30 | wireddd | you need to try backports or something |
| 05:58.42 | grendal_prime | i did . |
| 05:59.34 | grendal_prime | what i wound up doing was just compiling it myself. which was the best way for this partiular app anyway. |
| 05:59.46 | cast | alright. so out of selinux, grsec, apparmor and rsbac selinux would generally be considered the best option? considering none of the others are in apt |
| 05:59.49 | grendal_prime | virtualization with qemu |
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| 06:00.31 | wireddd | grendal_prime, yeah I played around with that in sarge, it was one of the reasons I moved to etch |
| 06:00.32 | dendrite | cast: You forgot virtual machines... |
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| 06:00.46 | ocZio | I have a domain something.org , I can add xxx.something.org , how can I make virtual hosts on my linux box? ( I mean when doing ifconfig to see them ) |
| 06:01.08 | dendrite | ocZio: As in binding multiple IP addresses to one physical NIC? |
| 06:01.21 | cast | dendrite: not really, they're different things |
| 06:01.44 | ocZio | hum no, I don't want something like : test.org -> ip1 , ip2 |
| 06:01.49 | grendal_prime | kqemu is bitchen by the way. I just wanted something to run some minor tests and virus examples, but hell, it is so damn fast with kernel level virutualization, i forget its a emulated system.!! |
| 06:02.26 | ArtVandalae | how does the free alt to kqemu stack up? |
| 06:02.41 | dendrite | ocZio: Well, ifconfig shows network configuration... Do you really mean you want apache to respond to different www.xxx with different sites? |
| 06:02.43 | ArtVandalae | qemu86 or something? |
| 06:03.37 | ocZio | dendrite, its not apache, its irc bouncer |
| 06:03.58 | ocZio | but yes I mean I want to be able to choose the "hostname" |
| 06:04.00 | dendrite | ocZio: OK, so you don't want multiple IP addresses on your machine, right? |
| 06:04.08 | grendal_prime | ArtVandalae, well if you are refering to just qemu, its slow. its usable, but some things just wont work (because the watch for slow execution time) The bigest one is of course the sp4 for windows 2000. |
| 06:04.24 | ocZio | no, here is what I have and want |
| 06:04.30 | dendrite | ocZio: Yes, do tell. |
| 06:04.45 | Mike_ | how do I edit grub cli? |
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| 06:04.57 | ocZio | I have something.org, x1.something.org -> ip1 x2.something.org -> ip1 (same ip1) etc.. |
| 06:05.05 | ocZio | want to be able to choose the hostname got it? : ) |
| 06:05.15 | dendrite | ocZio: So what does ifconfig have to do with anything? |
| 06:05.36 | ocZio | I mean when you add multiple adresses you got |
| 06:05.47 | ocZio | inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 0xffffffff broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 06:05.59 | ProActive | I'm reading about vlans on debian |
| 06:06.02 | ProActive | it's ok |
| 06:06.12 | ocZio | so maybe I understood it wrong? :) |
| 06:06.25 | ProActive | but i always need switchs that support 802.1q right? |
| 06:06.27 | Vich | damn 111MB of archives :/ |
| 06:06.27 | dendrite | ocZio: I have no idea what you're trying to do. You only have/want one IP address, right? |
| 06:06.37 | ocZio | dendrite, yes as I said |
| 06:06.42 | ocZio | x1.something.org -> ip1 x2.something.org -> ip1 (same ip1) |
| 06:06.43 | Vich | I have slow internet |
| 06:06.48 | dendrite | ocZio: OK, so ifconfig has nothing to do with it. |
| 06:06.49 | ocZio | want to be able to choose between x1 and x2 |
| 06:06.55 | wireddd | Vich, its going to be alot of stuff |
| 06:07.06 | dendrite | ocZio: OK, well there is nothing to prevent you from having two A records in DNs pointing to the same IP address. |
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| 06:07.19 | dendrite | ocZio: Or you can use CNAME records, if you prefer. |
| 06:07.28 | Vich | yeah |
| 06:07.31 | wireddd | Vich, how slow is your inet |
| 06:07.33 | ocZio | that's already done dendrite, I mean I got the dns entries done |
| 06:07.41 | Vich | 512kbit |
| 06:07.44 | ocZio | but now, how can I bind to specific host ? |
| 06:07.58 | dendrite | ocZio: That would be specific to the "irc bouncer" system you are using. |
| 06:07.59 | wireddd | Vich, its going to take you a while |
| 06:08.09 | Vich | actually not that bad by australian standards |
| 06:08.20 | Vich | but I know what speed you guys get in america |
| 06:08.27 | ocZio | dendrite: so I have nothing else to do |
| 06:08.36 | dendrite | ocZio: Beats me. |
| 06:08.37 | ocZio | now I can use the bouncer option to choose a vhost? |
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| 06:08.38 | wireddd | Vich, I have 5mbit |
| 06:08.48 | dendrite | ocZio: Try it and see. |
| 06:08.53 | ocZio | ok |
| 06:09.07 | DavidProck1981 | how do i hell what my hdd's r label |
| 06:09.12 | Vich | that's still a lot faster than 1.5mbit which seems to be the max around here |
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| 06:09.27 | Vich | although apparently adsl2 can reach 24mbit |
| 06:09.28 | DavidProck1981 | for some reason hda1 is now hde1 |
| 06:09.29 | dendrite | DavidProck1981: HDD or partition? |
| 06:09.37 | Vich | but I have yet to hear of someone reaching those speeds |
| 06:09.48 | wireddd | Vich, a full netinstall of etch including kde takes about an 40 minutes |
| 06:09.49 | dendrite | DavidProck1981: That's weird. |
| 06:09.54 | DavidProck1981 | i wnat to mount my backup hard drive |
| 06:10.17 | DavidProck1981 | and i dont think it is hdd1 any more |
| 06:10.39 | fusion | adsl2+ can reach 24.. adsl2 can reach 12 |
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| 06:11.19 | fusion | why are people deploying adsl2 when they could be deploying vdsl2 though |
| 06:11.27 | DavidProck1981 | wait a min my bios might have switch some thing around when i booted of the usb drive |
| 06:11.32 | DavidProck1981 | ill see |
| 06:11.36 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 06:12.58 | ocZio | dendrite: didn't work I got my first hostname |
| 06:13.08 | ocZio | :/ |
| 06:13.30 | Vich | wireddd, I have about 35mins to go and it's already been going for 10mins |
| 06:13.33 | dendrite | ocZio: Maybe the documentation has clues. |
| 06:13.50 | wireddd | Vich, but you still have to apt-get alot of other stuff |
| 06:14.23 | Vich | lol, thanks for the optimism boost |
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| 06:14.39 | ocZio | dendrite, well itsnot Like I come here and ask without consulting them , I setup the domain, 2 CNAMES, the bouncer, the ping to hostname works, the resolv too, when setting up in the bouncer the vhost it doesnt take effect |
| 06:17.46 | wireddd | Vich, well you only have to do it once |
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| 06:17.46 | ocZio | I mean I have something like: x1.something.org ->ip1 , x2.something.org ->ip1 but when doing resolv ip1 it gives the x1.something.org |
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| 06:17.47 | dendrite | ocZio: Sorry, I really have no idea what you're trying to do. Now it looks like you're trying to resolve an IP number to a name... |
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| 06:17.47 | ocZio | can I pm you? |
| 06:17.47 | dendrite | ocZio: No, please. |
| 06:17.47 | ocZio | ok |
| 06:17.47 | dendrite | ocZio: Just keep it in the channel, in case someone else gets an idea... |
| 06:21.36 | grendal_prime | ok, this i didnt think was going to be this difficult... |
| 06:21.36 | ocZio | well I can't explain better my problem |
| 06:21.36 | grendal_prime | i need to add a module and...well, where exactly do i do that? |
| 06:21.36 | grendal_prime | i want it to load on boot.. |
| 06:21.36 | dendrite | grendal_prime: /etc/modules |
| 06:21.36 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i thought |
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| 06:21.36 | grendal_prime | but umm...the config file there says....dont ever edit this file!! |
| 06:21.36 | mick_linux | anyone get tor on etch to install via: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 06:21.36 | DavidProck1981 | no the bois is correct the the order of my drives |
| 06:21.37 | DavidProck1981 | bios |
| 06:21.37 | grendal_prime | never mind.. |
| 06:21.37 | grendal_prime | i found it |
| 06:21.37 | grendal_prime | duh |
| 06:21.37 | mick_linux | i've added the key to apt-key and apt-key list shows it, but it will not verify :-/ |
| 06:21.37 | DavidProck1981 | just how do i list all the drives |
| 06:21.37 | Xenguy | DavidProck1981: fdisk -l |
| 06:21.37 | Xenguy | ? |
| 06:21.37 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Um... That's odd. Ah, OK, nm. |
| 06:21.37 | dendrite | DavidProck1981: 'mount' shows all mounted partitions and whatnot, or just cat /proc/partitions |
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| 06:21.38 | grendal_prime | i still cant get that .dev/shm to mout righ though |
| 06:21.38 | DavidProck1981 | WTF it all ways has been hdd1 NOW IT IS hdh1 |
| 06:21.50 | mick_linux | i also don't get how tor is in stable and in unstable and not in testing |
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| 06:22.13 | DavidProck1981 | hum i notice they all went down places |
| 06:22.35 | DavidProck1981 | a to e, d to h |
| 06:22.35 | shalamar7 | hi all |
| 06:23.24 | ocZio | dendrite: ok a simple question: when doing nslookup somehostname, I can obtain 2 ip adresses right? |
| 06:23.24 | dendrite | ocZio: Yes. |
| 06:23.24 | ocZio | can it be the reverse? I mean do nslookup someip: obtain 2 hostnames |
| 06:23.25 | dendrite | ocZio: No. |
| 06:23.25 | mick_linux | ocZio: ya, especially if they do a round robin dns |
| 06:23.31 | mick_linux | dendrite: no? |
| 06:23.35 | dendrite | mick_linux: reverse can be multiple? |
| 06:23.46 | fusion | dendrite: could you though if there was more than one PTR entry for that IP> |
| 06:23.50 | shalamar7 | I have a trivial deb repository. Some of the packages are outdated and replaced by newer ones. Is a util to clean out the old ones? |
| 06:24.03 | mick_linux | dendrite: i think i just misread |
| 06:24.26 | dendrite | ocZio: Well, *maybe* you could have round robin reverse DNS, but why would one want to... I'd be out of control. |
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| 06:24.58 | ocZio | ok, so how I am supposed to have multiple hosts ( virtual hosts ) with only 1 ip? |
| 06:25.00 | overnout | shalamar7: i think you are speaking of orphaner |
| 06:25.04 | mick_linux | i was reading "dendrite: ok a simple question: when doing nslookup somehostname, I can obtain 2 ip adresses right?" |
| 06:25.13 | mick_linux | i misse the part after it |
| 06:25.21 | dendrite | ocZio: In what system are you creating virtual hosts? |
| 06:25.34 | ocZio | I use the zoneedit |
| 06:25.45 | dendrite | ocZio: http can do this because the requested host is passed in the request headers. |
| 06:26.01 | ocZio | yea http I understand |
| 06:26.09 | ocZio | but for another applications? |
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| 06:26.14 | shalamar7 | overnout: debs not orphaned, just outdated... replaced by newer versions of the same. |
| 06:26.18 | ocZio | I mean http is kinda "internal" |
| 06:26.21 | dendrite | ocZio: No, what system is supposed to glean the requested hostname from the tcp stream and make the redirection? |
| 06:26.45 | ocZio | what you mean by "system"? |
| 06:26.52 | dendrite | ocZio: Depends on the tcp protocol. Not all protocols pass the requested hostname in headers, they just bind to a server/port. |
| 06:26.53 | overnout | shalamar7: the dpkg system is doing it by itself |
| 06:27.18 | overnout | shalamar7: if you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:27.33 | overnout | evrithing is automatic |
| 06:28.20 | ocZio | well that confuses me alot :( |
| 06:28.20 | ocZio | perhaps itsnot possible to have virtual hosts only with ONE ip? |
| 06:28.20 | dendrite | ocZio: Telnet, for instance, does not send the *name* of the target host in it's TCP stream. It resolves the name to a number on the client end, and then initiates a connection to the host by ip number. |
| 06:28.25 | dendrite | ocZio: What protocol are you trying to create virtual hosts with? |
| 06:28.52 | ocZio | irc bouncer |
| 06:29.04 | shalamar7 | overnout: when I use dpkg-scanpackages I get messages saying that some of the older debs are being ignored in favor of newer ones... htis is for managing a repository albeit a trivial one |
| 06:29.04 | ocZio | its tcp |
| 06:29.24 | dendrite | ocZio: OK, so the first question is whether the IRC protocol passes the hostname (not ip number) in it's TCP stream... |
| 06:29.51 | dendrite | ocZio: I have no idea whether it does or not, but I'd suspect that it does not... |
| 06:31.17 | ocZio | ok |
| 06:31.21 | dendrite | ocZio: Read this: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc2813.txt |
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| 06:32.01 | DavidProck1981 | ok i did it ince before but i had to format, how do i apt-get install libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 |
| 06:32.08 | DavidProck1981 | im missing libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 |
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| 06:35.14 | dendrite | ocZio: I see no sign that IRC client passes the hostname to the server it's connecting to... |
| 06:35.38 | dendrite | ocZio: I guess you could try sniffing some connections to see what goes on when you connect... |
| 06:36.01 | DavidProck1981 | can some help me get libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 |
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| 06:41.55 | icyfire0573 | I'm trying to find out how to get ODBC support into QT4. Its not there by default (when installing the qt4-sql package) |
| 06:45.07 | DavidProck1981 | ok what does it mean if some games gave sound and some dont, on stable all my games had sound, but on etch some dont |
| 06:45.26 | DavidProck1981 | have* |
| 06:46.54 | DavidProck1981 | ok what does it mean if some games have sound and some dont, on stable all my games had sound, but on etch some dont |
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| 06:47.11 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell what sound system i have, alsa or oss |
| 06:48.00 | streuner | if you have to ask usually OSS |
| 06:48.11 | cahoot | DavidProck1981: if /proc/asound/cards lists your card you use alsa |
| 06:48.12 | Vich | lol |
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| 06:49.16 | DavidProck1981 | the file is blank |
| 06:49.39 | streuner | some games support only OSS, you need to use OSS emulation then |
| 06:49.53 | streuner | hm |
| 06:49.54 | DavidProck1981 | how do i get it |
| 06:50.22 | streuner | well, that was before you answered, it seems you don't use ALSA at all... |
| 06:51.07 | DavidProck1981 | do u know what sound system the game "armagetron uses" |
| 06:51.18 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.46 | streuner | 'README' should able to tell you |
| 06:52.04 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know where its at |
| 06:52.38 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install armagetron |
| 06:52.52 | streuner | You said, after using etch things are different now, did you change the kernel as well? |
| 06:52.56 | DavidProck1981 | it is a 3D Cycle game |
| 06:53.05 | SubStack | armagetron++ |
| 06:53.18 | streuner | DavidProck1981: /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 06:53.26 | DavidProck1981 | i did not manualy change it it picked what ever durring the install |
| 06:53.58 | DavidProck1981 | armagetron++ why u add the ++ |
| 06:54.00 | streuner | upgrades don't 'touch' the kernel (TM) |
| 06:54.56 | DavidProck1981 | i did a format and install |
| 06:55.02 | DavidProck1981 | not upgrade |
| 06:55.12 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.56 | DavidProck1981 | oh any why is my "Control Center" Blank |
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| 06:56.21 | DavidProck1981 | the lost on the left is empty |
| 06:56.25 | DavidProck1981 | list* |
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| 06:57.01 | streuner | DavidProck1981: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 06:57.50 | DavidProck1981 | Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 |
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| 06:58.07 | DavidProck1981 | is that good? |
| 06:58.27 | streuner | DavidProck1981: /j #flood |
| 06:58.30 | DavidProck1981 | that is not a flood |
| 06:58.54 | streuner | nah, /join #flood |
| 06:59.24 | streuner | go to channel #flood |
| 06:59.36 | DavidProck1981 | heck ive typed up something alrger than that tying to explane something |
| 06:59.49 | DavidProck1981 | hay someone asked me so.... |
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| 07:00.57 | DavidProck1981 | hell its u why u ask then tell me to go to flood, lol i just notce your nick |
| 07:01.08 | streuner | we need infos about 'lsmod' and the output, so join channel flood and give us the output of that there |
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| 07:01.34 | DavidProck1981 | oh ok |
| 07:01.36 | mick_linux | !pastebin |
| 07:01.36 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 07:02.15 | DavidProck1981 | ok im in |
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| 07:07.59 | DavidProck1981 | yo i could not type after that i hade to restasrt chat |
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| 07:08.15 | DavidProck1981 | i dont think i was getting any text ither |
| 07:08.57 | DavidProck1981 | helo? |
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| 07:10.00 | DavidProck1981 | howq do i get oss sound system |
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| 07:19.17 | Tigren | thought i'd try you guys out because #grub is dead. i'm trying to install a new hard drive(15gb) in my debian box, and copied the contents of my old hard drive(6gb) over to it. currently the new hd is /dev/hdb and the old one is /dev/hda how do i go about installing grub onto the new hd so it will boot from it when i switch the new one to hda and take out the old hd |
| 07:19.50 | grendal_prime | ok so,? |
| 07:20.07 | grendal_prime | wow, thats not how i would have done that Tigren . |
| 07:20.15 | Tigren | how would you have gone about it? |
| 07:20.25 | Tigren | its only 250MB of data so it wouldnt take long |
| 07:20.45 | grendal_prime | just build a nw inatalation and transfer over the home dir's |
| 07:20.49 | grendal_prime | i mean... |
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| 07:20.59 | Tigren | its not the home directories i want |
| 07:21.13 | Tigren | its a server box i play around with and want to keep my configs and servers |
| 07:22.21 | grendal_prime | ya, did you literally just copy the intire drive..with like...qtpartd or..just...like do a draggy droppy type thing? |
| 07:22.35 | Tigren | i just cp'ed the whole thing |
| 07:22.58 | grendal_prime | i dont think it works like that |
| 07:23.17 | grendal_prime | i could be totally wrong...but umm..you have to have tmp partions and whatnnot. |
| 07:23.37 | Tigren | cp -ax / /new-disk should work |
| 07:23.42 | grendal_prime | there are tools to do what your doing.. |
| 07:23.43 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 07:23.48 | Tigren | why wouldnt a straight copy work |
| 07:23.55 | Tigren | it just wouldnt copy over the boot record |
| 07:24.09 | Tigren | which i need to rewrite, but i suck at using grub and figuring that type of stuff out |
| 07:24.14 | grendal_prime | ok well sounds like you know what your doing then |
| 07:24.22 | Tigren | kinda |
| 07:24.26 | Tigren | for the most part |
| 07:24.36 | grendal_prime | cool beans...im going to bed. |
| 07:24.43 | Tigren | thanks anyways |
| 07:24.48 | grendal_prime | np |
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| 07:40.36 | tnks | Does anyone know a quick way to get the last article ID on a NNTP-server? |
| 07:42.19 | Vich | I upgraded to etch |
| 07:42.57 | Vich | which is craze |
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| 07:51.06 | DavidProck1981 | ok what is that paster again |
| 07:51.48 | mick_linux | Vich: lol - i know what you mean |
| 07:52.32 | JJ|Laptop | is there anyway to have debian give preferential upload speed to a specific ip? |
| 07:52.55 | mick_linux | the other releases all took 2 yrs to finally get them to the point of release, sarge came out last year -- why the rush w/ etch? |
| 07:53.07 | mick_linux | !pastebin |
| 07:53.07 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 07:53.11 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: ^^^ |
| 07:53.20 | DavidProck1981 | look at this http://channels.debian.net/paste/4442 |
| 07:53.50 | DavidProck1981 | as soon as it say " could not build mipmaps" the game closes |
| 07:53.59 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: i actually aliased that line to be "pasteme" - so i can do stuff like: `lsmod | pasteme` |
| 07:54.24 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 07:55.27 | DavidProck1981 | any any one tell why this error happens, the games funs for one min |
| 07:55.32 | DavidProck1981 | then exit |
| 07:55.58 | DavidProck1981 | when it say could not build mipmaps it exits |
| 07:56.03 | DavidProck1981 | look http://channels.debian.net/paste/4442 |
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| 07:57.15 | cast | JJ|Laptop: pretty sure you could bend iptables that way, or pf |
| 07:57.58 | tralala | JJ|Laptop, /msg dpkg lartc |
| 08:01.18 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: i'm no expert at that. but when i googled "FATAL: fglX11CMMFreeSurface: firegl_FreeBuffer() failed!" it came up w/ a bunch of hits (it is something w/ the ATI driver as far as i can tell) |
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| 08:01.36 | mick_linux | and i'm the worst person to ask for help w/ video stuff :) |
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| 08:11.38 | Vich | argh |
| 08:11.45 | Vich | the dreaded fatal IO error |
| 08:11.54 | Vich | 104 (connection reset by peer) |
| 08:12.12 | Vich | above that Fatal Server Error:failed to initialize core devices |
| 08:12.28 | Vich | my xorg looks fine |
| 08:13.27 | Guerin | Vich: it tells you which core device failed |
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| 08:13.52 | Vich | I see a lot of stuff :S |
| 08:14.11 | Vich | how do I know what is critical? |
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| 08:16.06 | Vich | (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device( |
| 08:16.26 | Vich | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 08:16.41 | Vich | hell, I'll dump this all to a file |
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| 08:17.44 | Vich | no, I can't |
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| 08:18.08 | Vich | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 08:18.11 | Vich | No such device |
| 08:18.25 | Vich | lots of stuff about Synaptics touchpad |
| 08:18.34 | Vich | which is my touchpad correctly identified |
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| 08:23.03 | Guerin | Vich: modprobe psmouse |
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| 08:23.11 | Sashi | hmm |
| 08:23.19 | Guerin | Vich: and don't fucking paste |
| 08:23.20 | Sashi | whats the latest version? |
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| 08:23.57 | Guerin | Sashi: n |
| 08:24.16 | Sashi | ? |
| 08:24.58 | Guerin | Sashi: = |
| 08:24.58 | Sashi | = |
| 08:24.58 | Sashi | n |
| 08:25.23 | Guerin | this is my subtle way of saying 'you're meeping like a moonbat, say something sensible and you might get a reasonable answer' |
| 08:25.52 | Sashi | whats the latest version of debian.. |
| 08:25.53 | Sashi | etch? |
| 08:26.09 | Guerin | sarge. |
| 08:26.21 | Sashi | isnt that 3? |
| 08:26.21 | Guerin | wetch is due for release in a month or two |
| 08:26.26 | Guerin | 3.1 |
| 08:26.47 | jair | hey guys, so now I can go ahead and download etc, but will not have security support correct? |
| 08:26.51 | Sashi | whats with the 2 isos for dvd? |
| 08:26.51 | mick_linux | i doubt it will release in a month or two |
| 08:27.12 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 08:27.12 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 08:27.17 | mick_linux | Sashi: why not just get the net install and just get what you need? |
| 08:27.31 | jair | i think is a installer already for etch? |
| 08:27.32 | Sashi | because i dont like net |
| 08:27.43 | Guerin | jair: more or less. |
| 08:27.52 | jair | hmmm |
| 08:27.59 | mick_linux | jair: yes |
| 08:28.01 | Sashi | seriously though |
| 08:28.02 | jair | I am checking the site of debian.org |
| 08:28.04 | Guerin | Sashi: you probably need cd1-3, or dvd1 |
| 08:28.11 | jair | and I think is an installer already |
| 08:28.12 | Sashi | debian-31r3-i386-binary-2.iso 05-Sep-2006 16:26 4.4G ? |
| 08:28.17 | mick_linux | you can grab a daily (i think RC1 just released didn't it)? |
| 08:28.48 | jair | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 08:29.01 | jair | that is the "etch" right? |
| 08:29.11 | jair | I will be installing it for first time |
| 08:29.29 | jair | I am wondering if the commands and use is the same as sarge? |
| 08:29.36 | jair | apt-etc... |
| 08:29.43 | mick_linux | of course they are |
| 08:30.12 | mick_linux | just newer more unstable versions of everything |
| 08:30.45 | Vich | I didn't paste! |
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| 08:30.54 | jair | ok |
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| 08:31.11 | jair | mick_linux: so then i will go ahead and download the installer ;) |
| 08:31.24 | Vich | Guerin> Vich: modprobe psmouse |
| 08:31.25 | TehKewl1 | can someone tell me all the packages a bunch of libraries belong to in a pm |
| 08:31.26 | jair | there is a release notes interesting :) |
| 08:31.35 | Vich | Can't locate module psmouse |
| 08:32.03 | _zardoz_ | do u have a lot of friends in here |
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| 08:37.11 | jair | interesting |
| 08:37.35 | jair | I will be installing debian etch, I am really impress with the Debian project it just rocks |
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| 08:39.21 | Vich | I was really impress as well |
| 08:39.28 | Vich | but I can't get it working :S |
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| 08:49.26 | helloooo | where can find introduction to versions of Debian which illustrate the differences between them and the relations of them ? |
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| 08:50.41 | tralala | helloooo, at debian.org |
| 08:51.05 | xingu | particularly, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
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| 08:51.26 | helloooo | thanx for the detail ~ |
| 08:51.26 | xingu | there's only really two versions, pre- and post 0.91 |
| 08:51.43 | jair | Vich: what is your issue? |
| 08:52.18 | Vich | I cannot start x-windows |
| 08:52.32 | jair | ok, what version of debian are you installing? |
| 08:52.36 | Vich | etch |
| 08:52.41 | Vich | I was trying sarge |
| 08:52.47 | Vich | but it had similar problems |
| 08:52.49 | jair | what machine? |
| 08:52.54 | Vich | and I couldn't use xorg |
| 08:52.55 | jair | type of hardware? |
| 08:53.01 | Vich | it's an inspiron 6000 laptop |
| 08:53.03 | jair | xorg is etch |
| 08:53.10 | jair | xfree is sarge |
| 08:53.14 | Vich | ah |
| 08:53.18 | Vich | well that explains it |
| 08:53.19 | jair | what are you using now? |
| 08:53.25 | jair | sarge or etch? |
| 08:53.26 | Vich | etch |
| 08:53.31 | jair | 3.1 or 4.0? |
| 08:53.39 | Vich | whatever is the latest |
| 08:53.41 | Vich | I think |
| 08:53.47 | Vich | is there a quick way to check? |
| 08:53.54 | jair | yes |
| 08:53.56 | jair | one sec |
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| 08:54.48 | jair | Vich: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:54.54 | jair | run that command please |
| 08:55.21 | Vich | 4.0 |
| 08:55.28 | jair | ok |
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| 08:55.35 | jair | now this: uname -a |
| 08:55.43 | jair | Vich: uname -a |
| 08:55.45 | ThomasPorter | Hey, how do I tell linux what nameservers to use for my ISP? |
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| 08:56.09 | jair | ThomasPorter: check "/etc/resolve.conf" |
| 08:56.21 | ThomasPorter | jair: In what way should it be configured? |
| 08:56.27 | jair | ThomasPorter: there is where you put the dns servers |
| 08:56.34 | Vich | Linux laptop 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:56.35 | ThomasPorter | nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ? |
| 08:56.38 | ThomasPorter | As in a comma |
| 08:56.44 | jair | Vich: 2.4? |
| 08:56.51 | jair | are you sure is etch? |
| 08:56.57 | Vich | kind of |
| 08:56.57 | _JusSx_ | ThomasPorter: nameserver ip |
| 08:57.01 | Vich | I installed sarge |
| 08:57.07 | Vich | then tried to update to etch |
| 08:57.46 | jair | Vich: ohhhh a complete mess then |
| 08:57.46 | Dewi | anyone know of a mirror with weekly and daily cd images? |
| 08:57.46 | Vich | lol |
| 08:57.47 | Vich | probably |
| 08:57.47 | Dewi | cdimage.debian.org is down |
| 08:57.47 | jair | Vich: I do not really recomend upgrade i am doing a fresh install now of etch |
| 08:57.47 | jair | Vich: please try this: |
| 08:57.47 | Vich | I didn't know how to do a clean install of etch |
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| 08:58.12 | Dewi | jair: yeah I'm wondering where to get a good CD image too. I tried d-i beta3 the other day and it wasn't spectacular |
| 08:58.17 | ThomasPorter | _JusSz_: If I need to add more then one IP, do I add another line, with 'nameserver ip' or do I just do nameserver ip, ip |
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| 08:58.37 | jair | apt-get install --reinstall x-window-system-core gmd gdm-themes fluxbox |
| 08:59.03 | _JusSx_ | ThomasPorter: add another line |
| 08:59.12 | jair | Vich: it is very similar than sarge, it have a network installer as well check the debian page |
| 08:59.35 | jair | Vich: I know is tedious but that is the way you can grow if the guys here are busy. |
| 08:59.51 | _JusSx_ | ThomasPorter: however read the manual man resolv.conf |
| 08:59.51 | ThomasPorter | Thanks |
| 08:59.54 | Vich | yeah thanks |
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| 09:00.03 | Vich | you are very polite and helpful jair |
| 09:00.03 | ThomasPorter | agreed, thanks |
| 09:00.05 | jair | Vich: what you are installing is the basic system to have the x and graphical working |
| 09:00.11 | Vich | yeah |
| 09:00.26 | jair | Dewi: really |
| 09:00.41 | jair | Dewi: that is what i will be downloading to a USB key now |
| 09:00.51 | jair | I will be duing a first time etch installation |
| 09:01.01 | Dewi | jair: well, it just had a few more cryptic warnings and things than I was hoping for. And my ethernet isn't working properly |
| 09:01.11 | jair | Sarge is very good for my stable production systems but i want to test couple of things on a laptop I have here. |
| 09:01.19 | Dewi | jair: I'd like to try a daily or weekly but the site seems to be down |
| 09:01.28 | jair | hmm really? |
| 09:01.33 | Dewi | or veeeery slow anyway |
| 09:01.40 | jair | I am checking the site now |
| 09:01.45 | _JusSx_ | sarge is stable but if you need kernel 2.6 you must forgot it |
| 09:01.53 | jair | I will be preparing the usb key |
| 09:02.29 | Dewi | _JusSx_: what's wrong with the 2.6 kernel in sarge? |
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| 09:02.37 | Dewi | _JusSx_: I've been using it with no problems for ages |
| 09:03.23 | jair | hd-media/boot.img.gz I need to get this file |
| 09:03.33 | jair | anyone have an idea? |
| 09:03.34 | Dewi | jair: don't have a cd writer? |
| 09:03.40 | _JusSx_ | does sarge provide kernel 2.6.x? |
| 09:03.44 | Dewi | _JusSx_: yes |
| 09:03.48 | _JusSx_ | ohhh |
| 09:03.54 | _JusSx_ | i didn't know sorry |
| 09:03.57 | mick_linux | http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsMediaVideo <-- under wmv3 it says "the legality of this is questionned, to say the least." <-- wtf? why? |
| 09:04.11 | Dewi | _JusSx_: it's not the default but you can change to it after install, or even install with it using a special installer option |
| 09:04.29 | Dewi | mick_linux: because it's based on ripping binary code out of windows and running it in your linux machine |
| 09:04.35 | _JusSx_ | Dewi: so no prob, use it, kernel 2.6.xx is okk |
| 09:04.44 | _JusSx_ | i like it |
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| 09:04.57 | bertrand321 | hi everyone |
| 09:04.58 | mick_linux | Dewi: nope, the VC1 stuff is not done like that |
| 09:05.08 | jair | _JusSx_: sarge have kernel 2.6 which i recommend |
| 09:05.14 | mick_linux | oh, how it used to be done - oh ok |
| 09:05.15 | Dewi | mick_linux: what's VC1? |
| 09:05.15 | bertrand321 | problem with raid and partitions |
| 09:05.16 | jair | it works very good for me |
| 09:05.22 | bertrand321 | someone to help? |
| 09:05.29 | tralala | bertrand321, /msg dpkg ask |
| 09:05.47 | Dewi | mick_linux: that's talking about "win32codecs" which, last time I looked, as a collection of DLLs ripped from various windows software, bootstrapped into Mplayer using some code from WINE |
| 09:06.13 | mick_linux | Dewi: the SoC stuff is now included |
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| 09:06.25 | Dewi | mick_linux: SoC? |
| 09:06.29 | bertrand321 | I get partition 2: end: (c,h,s) expected .. found with sfdisk -V: what can I do? |
| 09:06.33 | mick_linux | summer of code |
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| 09:07.20 | bertrand321 | how to coorect my partition? |
| 09:07.30 | Dewi | mick_linux: sounds interesting :) |
| 09:07.41 | tralala | bertrand321, don't fix it if it works |
| 09:07.58 | bertrand321 | what does it means? |
| 09:08.00 | mick_linux | Dewi: http://code.google.com/soc/ffmpeg/appinfo.html?csaid=5AA777DB19E2BB24 |
| 09:08.41 | tralala | it means leave it as it is unless you have a reason to believe that it's causing problems |
| 09:09.17 | bertrand321 | ok: do you know raid by the way? |
| 09:09.51 | tralala | no |
| 09:09.53 | bertrand321 | do I need to format a /dev/md2 after mdadm --create adn mdam --add? |
| 09:10.02 | _JusSx_ | yeah |
| 09:10.14 | _JusSx_ | mkfs.xxxx /dev/mdX |
| 09:10.30 | bertrand321 | even if the underlyinf partitiosn are alerad y formated? |
| 09:10.38 | bertrand321 | underlying? |
| 09:10.53 | _JusSx_ | which raid level are you using? |
| 09:10.56 | bertrand321 | 1 |
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| 09:11.43 | _JusSx_ | no |
| 09:11.51 | gcosmin | what shoud i put to: /etc/pcmcia/config.opts ...? |
| 09:11.53 | _JusSx_ | you don't need to format |
| 09:12.06 | _JusSx_ | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 09:12.08 | bertrand321 | ok thanks every one make a try again |
| 09:12.09 | _JusSx_ | please |
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| 09:12.42 | _JusSx_ | after building raid 1, mirror disk will start copying |
| 09:12.49 | _JusSx_ | HOWTO RAID |
| 09:13.11 | _JusSx_ | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
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| 09:13.47 | gcosmin | what shoud i put to: /etc/pcmcia/config.opts ...? |
| 09:14.50 | tralala | gcosmin, nothing - it should be good to go without you touching it |
| 09:14.52 | blizzow | I installed the latest etch kernel (2.6.17), but when I try and build some other software, it complains that I don't have the /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/build. A) Is something b0rked with 2.6.17 that doesn't pass the proper kernel version? B) What package provides the /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VERSION/build directory and libraries underneath? |
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| 09:15.26 | tralala | blizzow, install linux-headers |
| 09:16.40 | _JusSx_ | blizzow: B) after compiling and installing the kernel those directories are built |
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| 09:16.50 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 09:16.56 | jair | if I will be installing "etch" using the usb key, where can I find the file "hd-media/boot.img.gz"? |
| 09:17.11 | Ace2016 | how do i stop a package being updated? synaptic won't lock it, so how do i do it the command line way? |
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| 09:18.08 | _JusSx_ | blizzow: build is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-x.xx.xxx |
| 09:21.43 | blizzow | thanks _JusSx_ |
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| 09:22.31 | jair | I see what you mean Vich about the debian site |
| 09:22.40 | jair | very slow to download the daily installer |
| 09:22.53 | Vich | I was attempting to get the beta 3 |
| 09:23.01 | Vich | but is the daily installer a better option? |
| 09:23.36 | jair | hmm better I am not sure, I think is newer than beta 3 for sure |
| 09:24.04 | Vich | yeah |
| 09:24.05 | jair | but i am trying to prepare the usb drive. |
| 09:24.12 | Vich | but is it more secure? |
| 09:24.19 | Ace2016 | anything on locking a package without synaptic? |
| 09:24.22 | Vich | er |
| 09:24.24 | Vich | not secure |
| 09:24.24 | Vich | stable |
| 09:25.11 | jair | Vich: secure, if you want something "stable" I already told you what to get :) |
| 09:25.29 | jair | I use stable for my production servers |
| 09:25.40 | Vich | I don't want stable I guess |
| 09:25.45 | jair | i will use etch for testing purposes |
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| 09:25.49 | jair | hmm |
| 09:25.52 | jair | all right |
| 09:25.53 | Vich | I want something that will be easy to install and work |
| 09:25.54 | Vich | :p |
| 09:25.58 | jair | make up your mind |
| 09:26.05 | Vich | because this has caused me more pain then I bargained for |
| 09:26.09 | jair | stable is very simple |
| 09:26.09 | Vich | it's hard to make up my mind |
| 09:26.14 | tralala | Ace2016, locking? |
| 09:26.30 | Vich | well I've heard the etch builds have a gui installer |
| 09:26.34 | Vich | which sounds cool |
| 09:27.14 | jair | anyone here knows where to get the file for the usb key: hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 09:27.20 | blondie | Vich: since when? |
| 09:27.28 | jair | haha |
| 09:27.30 | Vich | since I read it somewhere |
| 09:27.45 | blondie | I don't think they do, unless it's very very new |
| 09:27.51 | jair | gui installer, I am sorry but do not use gui, don't need to, I like text like |
| 09:27.54 | blondie | or it's third party |
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| 09:28.26 | jair | blondie: it says on the debian site, that for versions 64bit and x86 comes with a installer graphical. |
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| 09:28.34 | Vich | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20060811 |
| 09:28.41 | blondie | sounds awful |
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| 09:28.50 | bertrand321 | hi again |
| 09:28.55 | jair | blondie: where do I get the file: hd-media/boot.img.gz to create the bootable usbkey? |
| 09:29.02 | blondie | nfi |
| 09:29.03 | jair | blondie: yes |
| 09:29.08 | jair | good |
| 09:29.10 | jair | thanks |
| 09:29.10 | bertrand321 | got an error with raid1 soft isntall try |
| 09:29.28 | bertrand321 | when typing mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:29.37 | bertrand321 | got mdadm: hot add failed for /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 09:29.50 | bertrand321 | someone know what busy means? |
| 09:29.56 | tralala | bertrand321, is sdb1 mounted? |
| 09:29.59 | bertrand321 | no |
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| 09:30.56 | tralala | bertrand321, are you sure it is not configured as a part of another raid? |
| 09:31.00 | bertrand321 | do I need some sync or like command? |
| 09:31.18 | frido | Hi, I have udp application (server) to which are doing connection about 100 clients. Problem is, that sometimes it freeze - and I see for that process in netstat in coloumn Recv-Q number different from '0'. Probably that is a problem. Is possible do any /proc tunning for that, or how to solve that ? |
| 09:31.48 | bertrand321 | type 'mdadm --detail --scan' a,d doesn't look like |
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| 09:32.25 | tralala | no idea, then. Sync works only on mounted partitions |
| 09:33.11 | jair | aha! I found it :) http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 09:33.23 | jair | that is the file I need to create the usb key installer |
| 09:33.27 | bertrand321 | why when creation new /md1 raid partition I can't add the two in one command: mdam --create? |
| 09:33.32 | Vich | lol |
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| 09:33.52 | bertrand321 | the two partitions within the same command? |
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| 09:36.24 | bertrand321 | do my tow paqrtitiosn need to be 'fd' type or only one when creating? |
| 09:36.32 | bertrand321 | two |
| 09:36.45 | jair | Vich: I will be installing the daily one |
| 09:36.58 | Vich | hmm |
| 09:37.06 | Vich | I might try that as well |
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| 09:38.07 | Vich | but I don't have a download manager on here |
| 09:38.18 | Vich | so I'm tempted to grab beta3 because it has a torrent |
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| 09:43.27 | InvisiblePinkUni | unable to access internet from my 2nd computer. some kind of network settings problem ... please see this. http://pastebin.com/822376 |
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| 09:45.17 | damnage_hack | InvisiblePinkUni, why do you not use dhcp if the router can do it? |
| 09:45.35 | damnage_hack | each client must know the route to the router as default gateway |
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| 09:46.20 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: i did that. but it would not get any ip address |
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| 09:46.44 | damnage_hack | why? |
| 09:47.09 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: i'll try again. no idea why the 2nd one wont get an address |
| 09:47.16 | damnage_hack | okay, dhpc over wlan is really a problem |
| 09:47.23 | damnage_hack | dhcp* |
| 09:47.53 | damnage_hack | but if you use static ip addresses, you must also configure the default gateway = router ip address statically |
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| 09:48.01 | InvisiblePinkUni | ok.. |
| 09:48.04 | damnage_hack | can you ping the router? |
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| 09:48.18 | g333k | Hi, why I cant connect to DonkeyServer No2 in aMule? |
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| 09:48.50 | Ace2016 | tralala: yea when you lock the package version so it won't be updated |
| 09:49.12 | Ace2016 | so anyone know how to stop a package being updated? |
| 09:49.55 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: i can ping the wireless access point and the other computer... but not the main router |
| 09:50.20 | InvisiblePinkUni | i mean i can ping the main router and access internet from the computer switched on first. but not the sescond |
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| 09:51.04 | damnage_hack | do a route on the second pc |
| 09:51.37 | plee | InvisiblePinkUni, which ap do you have? |
| 09:51.40 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: how do i do that? :o |
| 09:51.52 | InvisiblePinkUni | plee: dlink |
| 09:52.19 | damnage_hack | InvisiblePinkUni, open a console and input just "route" as root |
| 09:52.37 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: ok |
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| 09:53.37 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: http://pastebin.com/822382 |
| 09:53.41 | plee | InvisiblePinkUni, ok.. just wondering, because i had problems with my 3com... i set the wep key encryption to 128 and it didn't like it.. could connect with one pc.. but the second one would fail to even find my router. |
| 09:54.15 | InvisiblePinkUni | plee: oh relli? what did you do then? |
| 09:54.32 | plee | InvisiblePinkUni, lower it to 64 :) hehe |
| 09:55.08 | plee | InvisiblePinkUni, it's a shitty ap that i wouldnt like my enemies( if i have one) to have.. hehe |
| 09:55.11 | damnage_hack | InvisiblePinkUni, strange... let me think |
| 09:55.42 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: that was from the computer able to access the internet |
| 09:55.45 | damnage_hack | what is the ip of the second pc? |
| 09:55.56 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: just 1 second will get that |
| 09:56.01 | damnage_hack | hmpf, you should do that on the one who cant access |
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| 09:57.03 | Bushmills | 'morning |
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| 09:57.46 | xushi | mornin all |
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| 09:58.28 | erore | I am looking for a package that contains tc (show / manipulate traffic control settings) |
| 09:58.40 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/tc |
| 09:58.42 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:58.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell erore -about search |
| 09:58.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tc' (10 of 35): (/sbin/tc) in net/iproute ;; (/usr/bin/tcs) in text/tcs ;; (/usr/bin/tcd) in sound/tcd ;; (/usr/bin/tcng) in net/tcng ;; (/usr/bin/tcc) in devel/tcc ;; (/usr/bin/tcal) in utils/gcal ;; (/usr/bin/tcpsvd) in net/ipsvd ;; (/usr/bin/tcscid) in games/scid ;; (/usr/bin/tcpser) in net/tcpser ;; (/usr/bin/tcpstat) in net/tcpstat. |
| 09:59.15 | xushi | is there a torrent download for debian sarge 3.1 ? I can't seem to find it on the website |
| 10:00.31 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: http://pastebin.com/822384 thats from 2nd computer |
| 10:01.16 | damnage_hack | is 10.1.1.12 your router? |
| 10:02.04 | damnage_hack | look at the difference to the paste from the other pc ;) |
| 10:02.36 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: changing from 10.1.1.12 to 10.1.1.1 now :) |
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| 10:04.21 | xushi | is there anyway to download the debian installation manual ? |
| 10:04.43 | xushi | as you can tell, i'm very new to debian, but i'd like to give it a try as my work depends on it now =] |
| 10:04.45 | damnage_hack | xuser, yes in the apt repository |
| 10:04.58 | damnage_hack | xushi, |
| 10:05.00 | damnage_hack | sorry |
| 10:05.17 | xushi | thanks, and i hope to contribute in the near future, |
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| 10:05.54 | EmleyMoor | How does module-assistant work out what directories to use? |
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| 10:08.12 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: i changed the settings. http://pastebin.com/822390 now when i ping main router, it waits for 10-15 seconds and fails... |
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| 10:08.55 | damnage_hack | InvisiblePinkUni, you are using wlan .. have you activated some firewall at the router? |
| 10:09.12 | damnage_hack | mac address restriction or some encryption? |
| 10:09.51 | damnage_hack | ähm. i do not think the default gateway is your router |
| 10:09.56 | damnage_hack | you are using 2 subnets |
| 10:10.06 | damnage_hack | 10.0.0.0 is your main subnet |
| 10:10.16 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: oh is it |
| 10:10.53 | damnage_hack | all boxes have to be in the same subnet or you have to configure a special route to bridge this |
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| 10:13.13 | damnage_hack | sorry, i must go now, cu |
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| 10:13.24 | InvisiblePinkUni | damnage_hack: hey, thanks a lot... |
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| 10:25.00 | user-land | How can i have more then 1024 open files for a process ? |
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| 10:26.10 | yang | user-land: http://www.criten.net/FD.html |
| 10:30.08 | utrrrongeeb | ls has exhibited inconsistent behavior when invoked from a shell script. When the script is invoked from an init script, ls return *-rwxrwx--- 1 root humans 2 Nov 11 20:40 /transfer/timers/root*. When the script is invoked from the shell when logged in as root, ls returns *-rwxrwx--- 1 root humans 2 2006-11-11 20:40 /transfer/timers/root*. The difference in the file modified date has been... |
| 10:30.09 | utrrrongeeb | ...screwing up my script. I'll be able to get around it, I just would like to know why ls is doing this. |
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| 10:35.37 | user-land | thank you, yang. do you have a /proc/sys/fs/inode-max ? |
| 10:36.24 | yang | user-land: that file is not in 2.6 kernels anymore i think |
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| 10:36.47 | yang | only file-max |
| 10:37.19 | user-land | would you leave out that step in 3. Global Settings then, yang ? |
| 10:37.52 | toor | so some complete tool (okay, it was me, but it was an accident) deleted a very important file from a flash disk on our digital camera. Does anyone know a good reliable undelete tool for FAT disks? |
| 10:37.57 | xushi | does debian distribute its OS through torrent ? |
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| 10:38.10 | yang | user-land: just disregard this - [root@localhost root]# echo 128000 > /proc/sys/fs/inode-max |
| 10:38.13 | toor | (There's a lot of crap, $$$ware and dodgy things out there, and mundelete/undelete on SF that are way ancient) |
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| 10:42.21 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 10:42.31 | Ramattack | anybody who know apt-build? |
| 10:43.39 | Ramattack | brushy are you there please? |
| 10:43.41 | dondelelcaro | Ramattack: you're best off just asking your question. |
| 10:43.57 | Brushy | ? |
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| 10:44.47 | Ramattack | I have been installing mysql-server via apt-build and get the next error : E: No se pudo encontrar un paquete de fuentes para mysql-dfsg |
| 10:44.47 | Ramattack | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/apt-build line 301. |
| 10:44.47 | Ramattack | Can't chdir(mysql-dfsg-): No existe el fichero o el directorio at (eval 1) line 3 |
| 10:44.47 | Ramattack | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.47 | Ramattack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:45.14 | Ramattack | sorry for pasting |
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| 10:46.20 | trrr | does anyone know of a linux undelete tool for recovering from a flash drive (FAT)? |
| 10:47.07 | streuner | restore from backups? :-P |
| 10:47.43 | trrr | it's a file that just got accidentally deleted from a camera |
| 10:47.51 | atk_ | Hi. I'm running Debian etch and nm-applet doesn't work. It fails due to use dbus due to security policy error: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FjzUOi81.html |
| 10:47.56 | xushi | anyone plz? i can't find a torrent link on debian.org |
| 10:48.10 | Brushy | O_o |
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| 10:48.20 | streuner | xushi: try harder |
| 10:48.25 | giz | trrr: try directory snoop |
| 10:48.29 | pstickne | trrr, good luck. hope you've stopped all access. in *windows* I've had luck with GetDataBack for restoring specific file types |
| 10:48.40 | Brushy | xushi, http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 10:48.51 | user-land | xushi, just a second. |
| 10:48.55 | user-land | ah, ok. |
| 10:48.57 | trrr | i stopped and removed it immediately, and took a complete dump of the disk as an image, just for safety |
| 10:49.11 | trrr | giz: is that the name of a tool? |
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| 10:49.35 | L4ger | how can i delete some Files secure? |
| 10:49.42 | giz | trrr : i dont know if its in the deb archives but ive used it from backtrack live cd on winblows boxs at work |
| 10:49.58 | trrr | giz: ah, just found it, but it's a Windows utility |
| 10:50.33 | giz | trrr : its included in the backtrack cd with is slack based |
| 10:50.34 | xushi | do the cds and dvd contain the same amount of packages? |
| 10:51.01 | trrr | I can't find anything in Debian (apt-cache search), the LDP has nothing useful, and both SourceForge and FreshMeat list a couple of ancient things that are no longer maintained. |
| 10:51.08 | trrr | giz: Ah, could be interesting... |
| 10:51.25 | trrr | doesn't anyone accidentally delete stuff under Linux these days??? :/ |
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| 10:52.09 | _JusSx_ | trrr: i can't help you |
| 10:52.18 | giz | trrr : there is a prog called delsafe that i use so it dont matter about deleting even from the command line |
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| 10:52.37 | L4ger | thx |
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| 10:53.14 | _JusSx_ | http://freshmeat.net/projects/delsafe/ |
| 10:53.24 | _JusSx_ | delsafe can't help you trrr |
| 10:53.28 | trrr | thanks giz, but this was deleted on the camera, so that won't help |
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| 10:54.08 | xushi | is there really a difference between 3.1r2 and r3? I've got the DVDs for r2 already, and i'm on limited internet connection. Is it worth downloading the r3 ones ? |
| 10:54.08 | giz | trrr : ok you could try the backtrack livecd its got quite a few recovery tools on it |
| 10:55.48 | trrr | giz, thanks will do |
| 10:56.16 | L4ger | so what can me help. I just wanna overwrite some files with zeros |
| 10:56.18 | tralala | xushi, use jigdo |
| 10:57.02 | streuner | xushi: sure |
| 10:57.03 | trrr | L4ger: dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile bs=1024 count=1293, or you can use /dev/random |
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| 10:57.15 | xushi | thanks |
| 10:57.50 | dondelelcaro | xushi: you could also just download the update cds. |
| 10:57.50 | trrr | L4ger: adjust count for the size in kb of your file |
| 10:57.53 | streuner | r2->r3 includes all security updates which are in debian yet |
| 10:58.00 | EmleyMoor | How does module-assistant determine its build directory? |
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| 10:58.02 | L4ger | trrr: I wanna delete a folder of 80 gigs files. How can i select the whole folder? |
| 10:58.41 | xushi | oh, didn't think of that, searching |
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| 10:58.42 | _JusSx_ | trrr: before using tools for recovering data from your key, copy the data by running dd if=/dev/(key) of=~/backup.iso |
| 10:58.45 | streuner | xushi: biggest update was PERL IIRC, but its not that big... |
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| 10:59.33 | trrr | _JusSx_: thanks dude, I just did that - good call |
| 10:59.33 | _JusSx_ | trrr: good |
| 10:59.35 | enouf | Suppose I'd like to view the accompanying documentation for a pkg like "apt-zip" (even just the man pages) .. but without actually installing the pkg .. is there any way to do this? I have eben d/l the "apt-zip_0.15.tar.gz" from packages.debian.org, and to my surprise there are no man pages inside .. whas up? |
| 11:00.16 | _JusSx_ | trrr: try penguin sleuth |
| 11:00.39 | enouf | For ex: here's the List of Files --> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apt-zip&version=unstable&arch=all |
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| 11:04.47 | enouf | bah .. apt-get install apt-zip fixes it all up :-P |
| 11:04.53 | user-land | yang, do i need to restart sshd even if i only use local access ? |
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| 11:07.29 | _JusSx_ | trrr: http://penguinsleuth.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=39 |
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| 11:08.30 | EmleyMoor | When I do m-a prepare I get Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 549. |
| 11:08.57 | EmleyMoor | Why would I get that? I have specified my kernel source path correctly with the -k switch |
| 11:09.18 | tralala | EmleyMoor, do you use a custom kernel? |
| 11:09.25 | EmleyMoor | tralala: Yes |
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| 11:09.43 | tralala | EmleyMoor, that could be the reason |
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| 11:10.06 | EmleyMoor | It is the reason I have to use that switch, not the reason I get that error |
| 11:10.30 | EmleyMoor | (unless I have somehow misunderstood) |
| 11:10.37 | EmleyMoor | Any hints?# |
| 11:11.20 | xushi | bah, irritating how vmware doesn't have debian as one of its options in Linux |
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| 11:13.19 | EmleyMoor | OK - how do I get past this problem? |
| 11:13.48 | tralala | EmleyMoor, the reason for the -k switch to exist is that you could compile for a different (debian) kernel than you're currently running. It works fine that way. I've never tried to use m-a with custom kernels and I don't know if it has ever been intended to work with them. |
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| 11:14.39 | tralala | btw did you compile your custom kernel using make-kpkg? |
| 11:14.42 | jair | hey guys I am getting annoying creating the USB key boot on my debian sarge machine and using the files on the mirror of debian, i am following all the directions and when I boot from the usb key media, I see " boot error" :) |
| 11:14.48 | EmleyMoor | Yes, I did |
| 11:14.52 | jair | what is the nam eof the gurus is that. |
| 11:15.15 | tralala | EmleyMoor, then you can try to build the kernel headers using make-kpkg as well and point m-a to the kernel headers |
| 11:15.28 | jair | I did the command zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
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| 11:15.41 | jair | it create all the menu etc.. |
| 11:16.03 | jair | I copied the netinst from etch |
| 11:16.06 | jair | iso |
| 11:16.23 | jair | but I do not have anything but the weird message "boot error" |
| 11:16.47 | jair | anyone here has been ever install Debian any version using the usb keys? |
| 11:17.04 | EmleyMoor | OK - how do I build headers package? |
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| 11:18.36 | L4ger | trrr: maybe you are interested how I solved the problem. Theres a program called swipe. It's perfect for my purpose. |
| 11:19.14 | abchirk | !ops _victor_ porn sites on join (i guess it was on join |
| 11:19.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: _victor_ porn sites on join (i guess it was on join |
| 11:19.24 | tralala | jair, did you follow this? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html |
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| 11:20.32 | SerajewelKS | dumb overclocking question, athlon xp 2500+: running at FSB 166MHz (rated) "temp3" as reported by `sensors` is -48C. when i increase it at all it jumps to +127C. this seems wrong to me, and seeing as 127 is the max signed byte seems more like temp3 doesn't really mean anything. would this be a walid assumption? |
| 11:20.40 | jair | tralala: yes that is exactly what I am follwing |
| 11:20.58 | tralala | jair, did you install a boot sector? |
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| 11:21.15 | jair | tralala: it says just if i get an error right? |
| 11:21.32 | jair | tralala: do I need to copy on the usb key the files vmlinuz? |
| 11:21.32 | SerajewelKS | valid* |
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| 11:21.52 | tralala | jair, you do get an error, don't you? |
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| 11:22.00 | EmleyMoor | I still have a failure but different now - so some progress - can I put it in a pastebin for someone? |
| 11:22.49 | jair | tralala: yes, let me try again |
| 11:23.11 | jair | tralala: quick question, in the usb key needs to be present the file vmlinuz? |
| 11:23.12 | SerajewelKS | the core temp hovers around 51C at 166MHz FSB, and when i increase it at all it's ~55C |
| 11:23.30 | SerajewelKS | so that's okay. but if something in the box is 127C then there's a problem |
| 11:23.40 | tralala | jair, I'd think so, but I'm just guessing. |
| 11:23.50 | jair | hmmm |
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| 11:24.39 | kinneh | any body running vmware workstation on debian unstable ? It wont start any more, w/o any error messages |
| 11:24.49 | jair | what files need to be on the usb drive for a minimal booting? |
| 11:24.50 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: i am on etch, yes |
| 11:24.57 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: did you update your kernel? |
| 11:24.59 | tralala | jair, I'm giving you hints not solutions. I've never installed from usb stick. |
| 11:25.08 | jair | wow |
| 11:25.14 | jair | ok |
| 11:25.18 | jair | Thank you |
| 11:25.21 | kinneh | done any apt-get upgrades latley ? |
| 11:25.26 | SerajewelKS | jair: look at flashlinux |
| 11:25.39 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: i'm asking you that same question, yes |
| 11:25.44 | jair | anyone here had installed debian using the flash drive usb? |
| 11:25.56 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: if the kernel was updated then you need to run vmware-config.pl again |
| 11:25.58 | jair | SerajewelKS: where? |
| 11:26.08 | kinneh | SerajewelKS: I did apt-get upgrade but not a new kernel |
| 11:26.08 | SerajewelKS | jair: google it |
| 11:26.12 | jair | !flashlinux |
| 11:26.21 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: do you have a list of what was updated? |
| 11:26.21 | jair | SerajewelKS: all right |
| 11:26.22 | kinneh | SerajewelKS: etch != unstable |
| 11:26.32 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: i'm aware of that |
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| 11:26.45 | kinneh | anybody running vmware on unstable then ? |
| 11:26.54 | SerajewelKS | you don't want help fine... |
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| 11:27.27 | kinneh | SerajewelKS: well I asked a question, and you answers another ... |
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| 11:27.53 | SerajewelKS | kinneh: i don't need to be running unstable to help you with it. but since you seem to think that i do, you have fun debugging it yourself. |
| 11:28.22 | jair | SerajewelKS: that is a distribution. I am trying to prepare the usb key to boot debian etch |
| 11:28.42 | SerajewelKS | jair: i know, but there may be some parts in there that you can reuse |
| 11:28.45 | jair | SerajewelKS: but I guess I can find out how to make the usbkey to boot |
| 11:28.57 | jair | SerajewelKS: correct |
| 11:28.59 | SerajewelKS | jair: *nods* their docs may have some useful stuff |
| 11:29.03 | jair | SerajewelKS: thanks |
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| 11:29.31 | SerajewelKS | jair: have you checked out this? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 11:30.41 | EmleyMoor | http://pastebin.com/822430 - the end of my failing module-assistant session - can someone please advise me what is wrong? |
| 11:31.54 | CharminTheMoose | i'm now absolutly kicking myself for not settin |
| 11:32.06 | CharminTheMoose | ah forget it.... |
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| 11:34.10 | EmleyMoor | I can't understand why module-assistant is causing me so much trouble |
| 11:34.39 | SerajewelKS | damn this is weird |
| 11:34.55 | SerajewelKS | i overclock at all and temp3 jumps from -48C to 127.5C.. that can't be right |
| 11:35.13 | EmleyMoor | It is a show-stopper for something I am doing this coming week :-( |
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| 11:35.55 | tralala | EmleyMoor, are you a kernel developer/maintainer? |
| 11:36.04 | EmleyMoor | No |
| 11:36.14 | SerajewelKS | EmleyMoor: which module is that? |
| 11:36.23 | EmleyMoor | Well, maintainer, for my own systems, yes |
| 11:36.25 | SerajewelKS | it looks like it's trying to build a kernel |
| 11:36.30 | EmleyMoor | SerajewelKS: zaptel |
| 11:36.48 | SerajewelKS | !info zaptel-source |
| 11:36.50 | tralala | EmleyMoor, then why do you run custom kernels? |
| 11:36.57 | dpkg | zaptel-source: (Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.10.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 709 kB, Installed size: 884 kB |
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| 11:38.03 | EmleyMoor | tralala: As I have some special requirements on some of my systems, and in the interests of speed and size on all of them |
| 11:38.13 | therealbigusdick | when I start gnome-terminal or xterm, .bashrc is not executed, neither .profile. In the consoles (ALT+F1, etc.) .bashrc is executed when I login (i.e. in an interactive login shell) |
| 11:38.40 | therealbigusdick | why? |
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| 11:39.24 | therealbigusdick | the bash man page says that for interactive shells that are not login shells, ~/.bashrc is executed |
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| 11:39.42 | therealbigusdick | xterm starts an interactive shell that is not a login shell, am I right? |
| 11:40.44 | tralala | EmleyMoor, have you tried to compile this module with a debian kernel? |
| 11:41.02 | EmleyMoor | What makes a kernel "Debian"? |
| 11:41.11 | pstickne | nothing. |
| 11:41.18 | tralala | the debian kernel team |
| 11:41.32 | DarkCow | what's the state of installing and booting etch from a SATA drive? |
| 11:41.56 | CharminTheMoose | question:if the kernel you build is larger than the actual kernel sources does that mean you lose? |
| 11:42.05 | EmleyMoor | Not who, what. You mean one that I didn't build? |
| 11:42.07 | tralala | DarkCow, sata support is kernel dependant. Etch currently uses 2.6.17 |
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| 11:42.10 | pstickne | CharminTheMoose, yes. |
| 11:42.21 | CharminTheMoose | god damn it |
| 11:42.23 | pstickne | CharminTheMoose, very muchly so. How did you manage that? |
| 11:42.38 | tralala | EmleyMoor, debian kernel is a kernel provided by debian. One you install using apt |
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| 11:43.15 | CharminTheMoose | oh i'm just compiling the damn thing now and i think that the default compiles everything into it |
| 11:43.18 | pstickne | I think "debian supplied" is better terminology ... /pedantic |
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| 11:43.48 | CharminTheMoose | because i'm a newb at this so i'm just trying it out..... |
| 11:43.59 | pstickne | CharminTheMoose, my source is 273MB, are you sure your kernel is that big? |
| 11:43.59 | CharminTheMoose | and by the looks of things i may have lost. |
| 11:44.00 | DarkCow | so where do I go to find out whether my sata chipset is going to work? |
| 11:44.01 | CharminTheMoose | :( |
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| 11:44.11 | SerajewelKS | !hcl |
| 11:44.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:44.15 | SerajewelKS | DarkCow: ^^^ |
| 11:44.22 | DarkCow | mkay |
| 11:44.22 | DarkCow | thanks |
| 11:44.33 | CharminTheMoose | i compiled every damn FS into it! |
| 11:44.39 | CharminTheMoose | that can't be good |
| 11:44.46 | CharminTheMoose | in terms of size |
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| 11:44.53 | DarkCow | well, I know my chipset will work in linux |
| 11:45.19 | EmleyMoor | Actually, "yes" would have been an acceptable answer |
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| 11:45.26 | pstickne | CharminTheMoose, it still won't be near the size of the source. |
| 11:45.29 | DarkCow | but I remember that something like a year ago, if you wanted to install debian to a sata drive, you had to do loads of crazy stuff |
| 11:45.46 | SerajewelKS | EmleyMoor: not all kernels that you didn't build are debian kernels... |
| 11:46.10 | CharminTheMoose | mmm |
| 11:46.12 | DarkCow | like install to an IDE drive first, then compile your own kernel, then move everything over to the sata disk |
| 11:46.12 | tralala | DarkCow, the question is in which version |
| 11:46.32 | DarkCow | kernel version? |
| 11:46.33 | EmleyMoor | Indeed - that is true |
| 11:46.34 | DarkCow | or debian? |
| 11:46.41 | EmleyMoor | But for my purposes... |
| 11:46.56 | pstickne | debian version also includes kernel versions available to it |
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| 11:47.41 | CharminTheMoose | does the kernel config file make everything get compiled into the kernel by default?'cos i haven't edited the config file |
| 11:48.19 | tralala | DarkCow, we are discussing the kernel, aren't we? You said that you want to install etch. |
| 11:48.49 | DarkCow | okay, well, it'll be 2.6.17 then, won't it? |
| 11:48.52 | DarkCow | will it? |
| 11:49.00 | tralala | DarkCow, btw I recommend installing sarge. |
| 11:49.12 | DarkCow | I'm not sure what kind of kernel the netinstall has |
| 11:49.19 | DarkCow | no thanks |
| 11:49.22 | DarkCow | sarge is way too old for me |
| 11:49.35 | DarkCow | I already have etch installed on 3 computers |
| 11:49.35 | pstickne | CharminTheMoose, lots of things are added by default; use menuconfig. I'd copy one of the existing configs found in /boot for a base. |
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| 11:49.56 | DarkCow | and I want to move one of those to having only a sata drive in it |
| 11:50.06 | davi | [etch]: I miss a php.ini in the libapache2-mod-php5 package |
| 11:50.13 | tralala | DarkCow, the you could just try the etch installer on your sata disk and see if it works |
| 11:50.16 | EmleyMoor | Is there some philosophical thing keeping zaptel out of the kernel sources or is it a technical thing? |
| 11:50.30 | DarkCow | ah, well, the thing is that I haven't bought the disk yet |
| 11:50.44 | CharminTheMoose | pstickne,i'm merely compiling this kernel for the hell of it,just to get to grips with what needs to be done. |
| 11:50.45 | DarkCow | if it won't work with ease, then I'll get an IDE disk instead |
| 11:51.06 | pstickne | CharminTheMoose, then poke through with menuconfig -- there are more options than you can shake a stick at. |
| 11:51.25 | DarkCow | anyway, according to http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 11:51.46 | EmleyMoor | My next question is, how do I build a custom kernel fully compliant with Debian's needs? |
| 11:51.50 | DarkCow | it looks like the etch installer does have good support for installing to sata |
| 11:51.52 | Tigren | any screen users here? |
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| 11:52.12 | EmleyMoor | (as opposed to what I shall call "emptily compliant") |
| 11:52.13 | jair | tralala: not luck |
| 11:52.13 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: just ask your question... |
| 11:52.28 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: use make-kpkg; /msg dpkg kp |
| 11:52.42 | tralala | jair, maybe you should try the other way of the howto |
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| 11:52.52 | EmleyMoor | With the Debian proper kernel, it works |
| 11:52.56 | jair | anyone here know what files nee to go on the usb key to install etch with the usb-drive-key. |
| 11:53.02 | Coke | Hello. I've been trying to setup so that a specific card is always hw:0 in ALSA, but it fails. I thought the "index" option would do it, but no such luck. How do I make driver X always becomes card 0 ? |
| 11:53.06 | Tigren | when i open up a new region in screen, i can't do anything with it. there is no bash prompt for me to input commands to. are there settings i'm supposed to fiddle with to tell it what to open in a new region? |
| 11:53.33 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: All I have produced so far with it have been a little short |
| 11:54.07 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: you mean windows; screen starts shells by default when you go ^a-c or whatever you have it bound to. |
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| 11:54.30 | Tigren | dondelelcaro: well, different regions on the same window. ^a-S |
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| 11:55.37 | tralala | EmleyMoor, the thing is that the module sources and m-a are mainly tested against the debian kernels. If you need to use a custom kernel you might need to customize the other parts as well |
| 11:55.37 | Tigren | that'll split one window into two different regions |
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| 11:55.50 | EmleyMoor | tralala: I thought make-kpkg was supposed to be capable of taking care of that |
| 11:56.08 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: that just allows you to show multiple windows at once. |
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| 11:56.32 | Tigren | dondelelcaro: ya, so how do i choose what gets put into that second window |
| 11:56.45 | Tigren | dondelelcaro: cause right now its blank |
| 11:56.46 | tralala | EmleyMoor, me too, but your problmes apparently prove us wrong |
| 11:56.55 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: C-a <tab> C-a 3 |
| 11:57.07 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever you actually want there) |
| 11:57.10 | Tigren | perfect |
| 11:57.11 | Tigren | thanks a lot |
| 11:57.19 | Tigren | thats all i needed |
| 11:57.21 | EmleyMoor | All I have been producing has "empty" compliance |
| 11:57.56 | tralala | There is another possibility, of course - _you_ are doing something wrong |
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| 11:58.16 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: make-kpkg does take care of it for the most part. What exactly is the problem? |
| 11:58.29 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: have you not installed the linux-headers package for the kernel you've built? |
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| 11:59.26 | Doat | seriously, how am i going to update with testing repo's when I get bazillion+1 bug reports and no _automatic_ way to install only those with no bug reports? |
| 11:59.57 | Doat | install = update |
| 11:59.58 | atk_ | Hi again. I'm using networkmanager and wpa encryption on my wireless network. For some reason my wpa_supplicant is started with -dd option resulting a lot of debugging info to log files, way too much. How can I control it's starting parameters? |
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| 12:00.19 | dondelelcaro | Doat: you won't find any major packages in Debian with no bug reports. |
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| 12:01.28 | Doat | dondelelcaro: do you think i should update the ones with bug reports as well? |
| 12:01.58 | Doat | sigh.. i shouldn't have upgraded to testing at all |
| 12:02.12 | tralala | I like that thinking |
| 12:02.27 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: I installed it and it still broke - differently |
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| 12:03.32 | dondelelcaro | Doat: it depends what the bug reports are, and whether you're comfortable with dealing with them. |
| 12:03.50 | dondelelcaro | and yes, if you're not ready to deal with bugs you really shouldn't be running testing |
| 12:04.18 | dondelelcaro | (although, there are bugs in stable too; they just are known for the most part, and aren't going to be added to tomorrow) |
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| 12:04.28 | Coke | Could someone suggest a google phrase that would give me a link to information regarding ordering of ALSA cards? "alsa order card" isn't really helpfull and I'm stomped. |
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| 12:04.57 | EmleyMoor | It's as if it needs more |
| 12:05.14 | tralala | Coke, have you tried to use modprobe.d instead of modules.conf yet? |
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| 12:06.03 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: what exactly is the error you're getting? |
| 12:06.36 | EmleyMoor | http://pastebin.com/822430 shows it |
| 12:06.37 | Coke | tralala: yes |
| 12:07.05 | Coke | tralala: or, actualy, I have modified options in modutils/alsa |
| 12:07.24 | tralala | Coke, so you've added the options with index=N in modprobe.d and it didn't work? |
| 12:07.54 | Coke | tralala: no, what debian are you running? modprobe.d contains the install commands |
| 12:07.58 | Coke | not the driver options |
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| 12:08.10 | Coke | in my distribution all driver options are defined in /etc/modutils/ |
| 12:08.45 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: what are you trying to build? |
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| 12:08.53 | EmleyMoor | zaptel |
| 12:09.08 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: you also need to include the whole logs if you want assistance; hard to see from the snippets you've given exactly what is going on. |
| 12:10.40 | EmleyMoor | OK - well, I get that but it was fiddly even to paste that - it was all successful up to there, it seemed but if I continue to have the same problem I will paste it all |
| 12:11.15 | tralala | Coke, I run sarge. In sarge man modprobe says that modprobe is using modprobe.d. I have added customizations in modprobe.d many times and it has always worked fine. |
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| 12:12.22 | EmleyMoor | What is the kbuild package? |
| 12:12.24 | Coke | tralala: what file in modprobe.d |
| 12:12.38 | Coke | tralala: also, the options from my modutils are added in modules.conf after update-modules |
| 12:12.44 | tralala | Coke, you can add one of your own there |
| 12:12.53 | Coke | tralala: yes. |
| 12:12.58 | Coke | tralala: both aliases and options |
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| 12:13.44 | Coke | tralala: I have options for snd-hda-intel and snd-ice1712, after an update-modules /etc/modules.conf contains those specified options. |
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| 12:14.09 | tralala | Coke, modules.conf was used with 2.4. I'm not 100% sure but I think it's not used with 2.6 anymore. Create your own file in modprobe.d, say cardorder and put there all the options that you need |
| 12:14.11 | Coke | tralala: and I pressume that modules.conf is _the_ authority on module options and that modprobe.d and modutils are just source files for the update-modules command. |
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| 12:15.13 | Coke | tralala: I don't think I've ever run a 2.4, could be a copied relic from a previous system |
| 12:15.26 | Coke | that is, never run on this machine |
| 12:15.44 | tralala | Coke, sarge supports 2.4 this is why it has it |
| 12:16.44 | tralala | everything that you put in modprobe.d is effective immediately - you don't need update-modules or whatsoever - just modprobe |
| 12:16.48 | Coke | tralala: exactly what file in modprobe.d should I change? |
| 12:17.00 | Coke | tralala: or just like with modutils, just create my own and put stuff in it? |
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| 12:17.51 | Coke | and do I have to update-modules after an update in modutils? |
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| 12:18.28 | tralala | Coke, create your own file. You don't need update |
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| 12:19.09 | tralala | I'll be back in a while |
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| 12:28.54 | bariel | hello, using apt to install phpmyadmin, it gives me only the older version of 2.6, anyone knows if there is an more update source list? |
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| 12:32.25 | ma3x | if a package has a bug and then the bug is resolved, is a new package released afterwards? |
| 12:32.42 | ma3x | for example: grave bugs of apache2 (2.2.3-3 -> 2.2.3-3.1) <pending> |
| 12:32.42 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.45 | cahoot | bariel: you know - if you usesarge ie the stable debian you can't just change to a more 'up to date' sources list - backports.orgmight be a solution |
| 12:33.02 | ma3x | so when that bug will be solved, do we have a new package? or how is the bug being fixed when the package is already installed on my pc? |
| 12:34.42 | bariel | ok |
| 12:34.48 | ma3x | damn |
| 12:34.49 | cahoot | ma3x: using sid? |
| 12:34.53 | ma3x | yeah cahoot |
| 12:35.12 | cahoot | ma3x: then you shouldn't need to ask such questions |
| 12:36.16 | ma3x | what the hell |
| 12:36.22 | ma3x | i ain't god who knows everything |
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| 12:36.24 | erore | Can someone give me a hint how to make a linux box (bridge) with two nics that limits the bandwidth? |
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| 12:36.35 | ma3x | u didn't understand my question probably |
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| 12:37.00 | ma3x | whatever u dont have to answer it |
| 12:37.18 | cahoot | true |
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| 12:38.02 | EmleyMoor | ma3x: If the bug is fixed by an updated version of any package on your system, then updating your system will fix it |
| 12:39.14 | ma3x | EmleyMoor: and if the bug is fixed and there is no updated package? |
| 12:39.20 | ma3x | how does the bug get solved? |
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| 12:40.01 | EmleyMoor | ma3x: It is unlikely to be fixed in any other way - in fact, it would be a workaround, not a fix |
| 12:40.44 | cahoot | or a miracle |
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| 12:41.54 | tralala | erore, /msg dpkg lartc |
| 12:41.54 | cahoot | Deus ex machina |
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| 12:42.47 | ma3x | and let's say you upgrade your packages, and apt-listbugs informs you of the bug (pending) and then you choose not to upgrade them. and tomorrow the updated package comes out, and you try to upgrade again, and apt-listbugs does not inform you because the bug's been solved, and you upgrade automatically, so you upgrade with the cached packages of yesterday, aptitude won't download the new package |
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| 12:43.27 | EmleyMoor | You should always update before trying to upgrade |
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| 12:44.53 | faderhval | hello people! i'm using the standard ftp client (ftp) and i was wodering if there was live stats for it and if so how to turn it on??? |
| 12:45.09 | ma3x | so if a package's bug has been fixed, then the version prefix of the package changes? |
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| 12:46.56 | EmleyMoor | The version specification changes in such a way that the system counts it as "newer" |
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| 12:47.43 | ma3x | ok, thanks |
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| 12:49.28 | ma3x | I forgot to ask: if the bug is fixed, then is a new package released immediately, or just once per day? |
| 12:50.10 | nelf | Hi, I'm trying to build the ieee80211-source package (using module-assistant) - it fails, due to a known bug (#384558). I've applied the patch, but can't figure how to compile in such a way as module-assistant doesn't untar the original source over the patched source |
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| 12:50.40 | AnyFile | How can I make aptitutde (or other front-end program to install packages) to check for updates? |
| 12:50.43 | nelf | And there are no instructions on building in /usr/share/doc/ieee80211-source/ |
| 12:51.13 | tralala | nelf, create a .tgz out of the patched source and let m-a unpack that .tgz |
| 12:51.34 | nelf | tralala: Of course, thanks. |
| 12:51.36 | user-land | yang, thank you for the instructions for more open files. i adapted the how-to for use with evil Ubuntu: http://user-land.org/open-files-limit-ubuntu.txt |
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| 12:55.40 | solars | I'm searching a lightweight X lock tool to use with xautolock (should only lock) can anyone suggest something? |
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| 12:58.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 13:00.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | im trying to set up an Xvnc terminal server, so i installed tightvncserver, kdm, and xfce4 (no complete xwindow-system, becaus xvnc should be his own server). but when i run Xvnc it says, fatal error: couldn't add screen |
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| 13:01.04 | earthian | hello, how do i make gnome panel applets transparent in debian ? |
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| 13:12.27 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 13:12.27 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
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| 13:13.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | somebody? |
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| 13:13.46 | Brushy | Can anybody find me... |
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| 13:16.22 | Brushy | I guess no-one recognizes the song :/ |
| 13:16.45 | navaladi | guys i can not ping my self from the outside world what is wrong here..I m using ADSL Internet connection having IP address 125.22.96.240 but i can not ping this address, can i able to setup a apache so that outsiders can able to browser my system??? |
| 13:17.25 | _JusSx_ | which /dev/xxx for usb flash drive ? |
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| 13:17.38 | moshii | navaladi: your filtering ICMP thingy packets ;) |
| 13:17.47 | moshii | navaladi: check your router settings |
| 13:17.52 | tralala | _JusSx_, sd[a-z][0-9] |
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| 13:18.09 | navaladi | moshii - router that is not in my hand , that belongs to ISP.. |
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| 13:18.31 | _JusSx_ | tralala: are you sure? sda is used by my sata hd |
| 13:18.41 | tralala | navaladi, there are a lot of possibilities |
| 13:18.42 | navaladi | moshii - leave the ICMP, to setup a web server do ihave to have ICMP request? |
| 13:18.45 | ShaolinTiger | navaladi: Here's a cluestick ======================== please hit yourself in the head with it |
| 13:18.52 | moshii | navaladi: ok, some sort of firewall on your box maybe? or your ISP is running so sort of filtering |
| 13:18.57 | _JusSx_ | tralala: so it could be sdb |
| 13:19.05 | tralala | _JusSx_, yes, I am. if sda is your hdd then sdb should be the stick. Btw dmesg will report it |
| 13:19.17 | _JusSx_ | tralala: thanx |
| 13:19.20 | moshii | navaladi: no... but do you need the machine to be ping'able? |
| 13:19.21 | navaladi | tralal - can i setup a web server? |
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| 13:19.40 | tralala | navaladi, I don't think so |
| 13:19.49 | navaladi | moshii - not neccesary dude..i wanna to setup a apache websever thats enough |
| 13:20.01 | ShaolinTiger | navaladi i don't think you can either |
| 13:20.27 | moshii | navaladi: install tighthttpd and see if it works, then download apache which is 300x bigger ;) |
| 13:20.50 | navaladi | ShaolinTiger - yeah |
| 13:21.15 | navaladi | moshii : is that to test webserver ? |
| 13:22.01 | moshii | navaladi: yes, tighttpd is a very small webserver, so if it doesn't work it's not much of loss |
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| 13:22.41 | navaladi | moshii : so ISP filter for all services or some left behind...? |
| 13:22.49 | navaladi | how to c them? |
| 13:23.06 | ShaolinTiger | navaladi keep hitting yourself with the cluestick you'll see them eventually |
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| 13:23.24 | moshii | navaladi: your isp could be filtering pings to avoid DDos etc |
| 13:23.42 | tralala | ShaolinTiger, take it easy, buddy. You can ignore him if you don't like his questions. |
| 13:24.07 | navaladi | moshii : yeah IS they filtering ICMP only or every serives..so here i have guess one by one..(Trial & error) ..? |
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| 13:24.30 | navaladi | moshii - if then i can use hping something else |
| 13:24.30 | tralala | navaladi, there is a better way then guessing - calling your ISP |
| 13:24.54 | ShaolinTiger | tralala ok :) |
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| 13:25.28 | earthian | !qotd0 |
| 13:25.29 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
| 13:25.47 | earthian | :D |
| 13:25.52 | moshii | possible with a chroot |
| 13:25.58 | tralala | ShaolinTiger, no really - ask me. My ignore list has 28 entries and keeps growing by the day :) |
| 13:26.17 | navaladi | tralala - :) i ll try |
| 13:26.44 | ShaolinTiger | tralala, only 28? i'd say you are fairly tolerant then |
| 13:26.56 | earthian | how do i make gnome panel applets transparent in debian ? |
| 13:27.02 | navaladi | moshii - thx , ll post if works, |
| 13:27.11 | earthian | or is it based on the theme used? |
| 13:27.14 | tralala | My ISP was "protecting" me by blocking the access to all the ports below 1024. I called them and asked them to stop that. |
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| 13:27.33 | Dewi | has anyone ever found that their MAC address kept... changing all the time? I'm using an onboard nFrorc NIC |
| 13:27.36 | Dewi | nForce even |
| 13:27.45 | ThomasPorter | How do I defrag my hard drive on linux? |
| 13:28.05 | AnyFile | ThomasPorter, which filesystem type? |
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| 13:28.10 | earthian | ThomasPorter, i asked that someday ago too... seems that you do not need to defrag your drive? |
| 13:28.11 | moshii | tralala: AOL protect customers by redirecting all outbound SMTP connections to their relay |
| 13:28.20 | tralala | ShaolinTiger, nah, I just started ignoring recently :) |
| 13:28.22 | earthian | AnyFile, i have the same issue, i have ext3 |
| 13:28.28 | moshii | tralala: and their relay rewrites your emails hehe |
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| 13:28.30 | miro | does anyone has a clue about cvs in debian ? |
| 13:28.31 | ThomasPorter | Dam.. I was expecting someone to use the old joke: rm -rf / |
| 13:28.32 | ShaolinTiger | tralala, it's a very useful feature |
| 13:28.32 | Dewi | has defragmenting drives ever done anything? |
| 13:28.35 | ThomasPorter | I guesss that jokes dead. |
| 13:28.50 | Dewi | ThomasPorter: no, just nobody has a sense of humour in #debian |
| 13:28.53 | AnyFile | on ext3 you usually do not need to defrag your disk (this is one of the advantage of using linux vs Win) |
| 13:28.59 | ThomasPorter | earthian: Yeah, linux doesn't fragment the drive in the first place. |
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| 13:29.06 | ShaolinTiger | this is a serious channel |
| 13:29.08 | earthian | but how? |
| 13:29.09 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: Figures. |
| 13:29.10 | Dewi | AnyFile: does windows need it? |
| 13:29.15 | moshii | miro: apt-cache search cvs |
| 13:29.22 | tralala | moshii, don't we all just love AOL? ;) |
| 13:29.28 | AnyFile | on fat and fat32 dor sure, I do not know about ntfs |
| 13:29.30 | ThomasPorter | earthian: It doesn't place files randomly on the HD... it places them in the correct spots |
| 13:29.42 | moshii | tralala: better that telefonica sadly |
| 13:29.42 | miro | moshii: im looking ro change a password for cvs user ! |
| 13:29.44 | earthian | a isee |
| 13:29.46 | ShaolinTiger | earthian: it does what a proper filesystem does.. |
| 13:29.47 | earthian | :) |
| 13:29.48 | earthian | nice |
| 13:29.50 | earthian | linux++ |
| 13:29.51 | tralala | ShaolinTiger, absolutely. I'm affraid I might get addicted to it. |
| 13:29.53 | moshii | tralala: *than |
| 13:29.57 | AnyFile | they calim that ntfs is much better, but I can not give my experience on that :-) |
| 13:29.58 | ThomasPorter | earthian: Wheres windows places them randomely.. and thus you need to defrag to put them in the right spots |
| 13:30.07 | earthian | well.. tbh i am so happy i moved to linux. so much easier to do stuff :) |
| 13:30.15 | ThomasPorter | earthian: Definatally. |
| 13:30.21 | earthian | just few bugs makes it inperfect |
| 13:30.22 | ShaolinTiger | tralala: bad days you can just do /ignore *!*@*.* |
| 13:30.28 | moshii | miro: try the documentation /usr/share/doc/* and man pages, and google |
| 13:30.49 | Dewi | Look guys... I am not convinced that defragmentation is any more or less necessary on linux than windows or even DOS |
| 13:31.06 | Dewi | because as far as I can see, it was nearly never useful for any filesys |
| 13:31.16 | _JusSx_ | Dewi: rm / -fr is default defragmantation tool |
| 13:31.19 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: Its very needed for windows.. definatally. |
| 13:31.23 | Dewi | ThomasPorter: why? |
| 13:31.43 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: Because files are accessed fastered when placed on the right sector |
| 13:31.44 | phpnuborn | can PROMPT_COMMAND in bash be used to reposition the cursor as shown in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI.SYS and http://kb.iu.edu/data/aamm.html ? |
| 13:31.48 | AnyFile | Devi, actually it depends on the filesystem not on the OS. If you use fat16 disk on linux your disk may need a defrag too |
| 13:31.51 | ThomasPorter | *faster |
| 13:31.58 | tralala | Dewi, okay you're right - there's no need. Can we get back on-topic now? |
| 13:32.06 | moshii | Dewi: you don't need defragmentation because most of the fs's used in linux are that retarded |
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| 13:32.14 | Dewi | ThomasPorter: many versions of windows NT shipped with no defrag tool. In fact, I have run defrag in windows NT only once in my life... across dozens of machines and half a dozen years. |
| 13:32.16 | tralala | ShaolinTiger, heh /part is easier to type |
| 13:32.16 | moshii | Dewi: *aren't |
| 13:32.25 | Dewi | moshii: retarted how? This is FUD |
| 13:32.41 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: Okay. I'm wrong, you don't need to defrag. |
| 13:32.42 | Dewi | moshii: don't say things like that unless you can back it up with facts |
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| 13:33.42 | AnyFile | Bye, see you next time ... |
| 13:33.45 | Dewi | all I'm saying is... as far as I am aware, linux doesn't move files around in order to defragment them. There ARE in fact defrag tools for ext2fs if you look for them |
| 13:33.46 | ThomasPorter | Whats the best distro for production servers? |
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| 13:34.02 | moshii | Dewi:FAT is basically chunks of data and a list of where those chunks are, no thought is placed on where those chunks go |
| 13:34.22 | _JusSx_ | i can't find mkfs.vfat? which package is it? |
| 13:34.26 | tralala | ThomasPorter, debian sarge |
| 13:34.28 | ThomasPorter | moshii: Then why do people use fat? |
| 13:34.30 | Dewi | moshii: surely that depends on your FAT implementation |
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| 13:34.42 | moshii | ThomasPorter: because it's simple |
| 13:34.47 | Dewi | moshii: FAT doesn't force you to position blocks anywhere you don't want to, and neither does ext2 or ext3 |
| 13:34.47 | ThomasPorter | tralala: Asking that question in Debian is abit generic, luckly thats what i'm running. |
| 13:34.51 | tralala | sigh, 29 |
| 13:34.57 | moshii | ThomasPorter: you can't implement XFS in a 8mhz mcu |
| 13:35.10 | _JusSx_ | xfs great |
| 13:35.11 | Dewi | moshii: any time you have files being added and removed over a long period of time (with small free space) there will be fragmentation |
| 13:35.27 | Dewi | moshii: I'm just not convinced it ever becomes a problem in these modern times of very large disks |
| 13:35.41 | ThomasPorter | Whats the other common time other then FAT? |
| 13:35.49 | tralala | _JusSx_, /msg dpkg search |
| 13:35.52 | ThomasPorter | *common type |
| 13:35.53 | ShaolinTiger | Dewi: surely it can still effect access time if large files are heavily fragmented and are not stored contiguously |
| 13:36.12 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: yeah, but I'd love to hear a reason why this is more likely to happen in Windows or even DOS than in linux |
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| 13:36.45 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: I'd wager it's such a small problem that nobody has bothered to write tools for ext3 defrag or the early NTFS OSes |
| 13:36.52 | moshii | Dewi: fragmentation probably isn't that noticable on todays 3ghz pcs that's true |
| 13:36.53 | ShaolinTiger | http://www.willsmith.org/opensource/reiser4/fragperf/index.html |
| 13:36.59 | ShaolinTiger | http://www.itworld.com/Comp/3380/nls_unixfrag040929/index.html |
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| 13:37.37 | ShaolinTiger | "The ext2 and ext3 file systems most often used on Linux systems also attempt to keep fragmentation at a minimum. These file systems keep all blocks in a file close together. How they do this is by preallocating disk data blocks to regular files before they are actually used." |
| 13:38.03 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: Linux is better then Windows in all senses - fool stop. |
| 13:38.07 | Dewi | what does that mean? it somehow predicts how big my file is going to grow? |
| 13:38.16 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: Including file placement and degragmentation :P |
| 13:38.20 | Dewi | ThomasPorter: that sounds so authoritative. |
| 13:38.23 | Dewi | :P |
| 13:38.37 | ShaolinTiger | it will keep allocating |
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| 13:38.54 | ShaolinTiger | fragmentation may occur but typically on linux systems it will be less than 5% |
| 13:38.59 | ShaolinTiger | its much less serious than FAT |
| 13:39.10 | moshii | Dewi: instead of bashing everthing in where it fits it'll balance the data of the whole fs |
| 13:39.17 | Dewi | I've *never* seen any filesystem get more than 15% fragmentation in my entire life |
| 13:39.28 | Dewi | I've never seen one go over 10% in the last... oh, 10 years |
| 13:39.30 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: I should send you screenshots of my laptop |
| 13:39.54 | ThomasPorter | Talking about laptops |
| 13:39.56 | ThomasPorter | Its beeping at me |
| 13:40.04 | ThomasPorter | Telling me its about to die. |
| 13:40.06 | ThomasPorter | So see yas. |
| 13:40.22 | setog3 | han wmii with transset it's beautifull !!! |
| 13:40.29 | Dewi | moshii: if your disk is nearly full, and files are being randomly added and removed, I can't think of any potential algorithm to "avoid fragmentation" apart from predicting the future |
| 13:40.57 | Dewi | moshii: I'm sure you could reduce it a bit by doing a bit of optimisation, but it's only going to slow it down, not prevent it completely |
| 13:41.03 | moshii | klaptop daemon is telling me that i have no battery and no AC, running on fairy dust again |
| 13:41.15 | Dewi | ThomasPorter: your laptop beeped at you to warn it was going to die... from disk fragmentation? |
| 13:41.15 | phogg | Dewi: a little fragmentation is a good thing. If your disk is nearly full you might get slowed down a bit, but defragging wont really be possible at that point either |
| 13:41.36 | ThomasPorter | Dewi: From lack of power. |
| 13:41.48 | Dewi | phogg: yep. In fact, I reckon any algorithm that tries to prevent fragmentation in the long term is going to make it worse in the short term :) |
| 13:42.06 | ThomasPorter | Each beep brings me closer to battery faiture |
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| 13:42.12 | Dewi | ThomasPorter: oh... I see :D |
| 13:42.19 | phogg | Dewi: fragmentation isn't bad, long seek times are bad. Discontiguous files are avoided anyway, |
| 13:42.41 | moshii | Dewi: and keep in mind the different fses are tuned for specific storage needs |
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| 13:43.17 | moshii | Dewi: XFS is good with big files, but apparently not good with lots and lots of very small files |
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| 13:43.43 | Dewi | moshii: yeah, I've been using it for media drives and sticking to ext3 for system stuff |
| 13:43.55 | Dewi | moshii: it's certainly a lot more space efficient for large files. Tiny overheads |
| 13:44.43 | moshii | Dewi: most important about xfs is that it seems to survive the random power outages I have :) |
| 13:44.58 | Dewi | moshii: that's comforting :) |
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| 13:45.05 | moshii | Dewi: and the repair tools work |
| 13:45.17 | Dewi | moshii: it's always hard to know if changing FSes is going to increase... or reduce reliability |
| 13:45.24 | Dewi | moshii: you hear a lot of bad stories about reiser |
| 13:45.43 | Dewi | "my files, they're just all.... gone!" |
| 13:45.52 | phogg | Dewi: reiser is fine as long as it works. If something goes wrong there are not a lot of ways to recover. |
| 13:46.01 | Dewi | with ext2 it was usually "my files, a large number of them are... gone!" |
| 13:46.12 | Trewas | ext3 is supposer to be a lot more safe than xfs when there is possibility of power outages |
| 13:46.18 | phogg | Dewi: http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html |
| 13:46.21 | moshii | Dewi: yes, i've seen that first hand |
| 13:46.29 | Dewi | moshii: so have I, ext2 was awful |
| 13:46.41 | ShaolinTiger | ext2 made me paranoid about backups |
| 13:47.03 | moshii | Dewi: with xfs isn't "mmm my files are in lost+found with random names" |
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| 13:47.55 | Trewas | and ext2/3 are not that stellar at keeping files contiguous, for example on this computer one file (some .jar from thunderbird) is in 287 pieces, quite a lot for 2.5MB file |
| 13:47.58 | moshii | Dewi: s/isn't/it's |
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| 13:48.18 | raghu206 | do we have object dock for gnome ? |
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| 13:49.06 | phogg | raghu206: look in to gdesklets |
| 13:49.28 | Dewi | phogg: nice. tHat's a bit more detailed... but it's still talking about fat32 which has been superceded 10 years :) |
| 13:49.51 | phogg | Dewi: ntfs is also much less prone to needing defragmentation |
| 13:49.54 | Dewi | phogg: I have a feeling that the only reason XP has a Defrag tool is because it was the first NT for average users (the earlier NTs had no defrag) |
| 13:50.04 | Dewi | phogg: and people just expected it |
| 13:50.17 | phogg | Dewi: but at this point microsoft's customers would freak out if they didn't have a defrag utility |
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| 13:50.23 | Dewi | phogg: exactly |
| 13:50.41 | ShaolinTiger | dewi xp home only installs on FAT32 so i don't seen how thats superceded.. |
| 13:50.49 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: does it? |
| 13:50.53 | ShaolinTiger | yes |
| 13:50.55 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: I'm pretty sure that's not true |
| 13:51.01 | moshii | I'm interested as to why people started thinking defragging would some how fix problesm with their computers |
| 13:51.02 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: it doesn't let you use the security features of NTFS |
| 13:51.02 | phogg | that would be the dumbest thing ever |
| 13:51.06 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: but it still supports NTFS |
| 13:51.08 | ShaolinTiger | yes |
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| 13:51.22 | enouf | I've seen some NASTY needing ntfs drives .. from huge cd/dvd media fans .. it's atrocious |
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| 13:51.29 | phogg | moshii: because on FAT it really did |
| 13:51.33 | enouf | defragging that is |
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| 13:51.46 | ShaolinTiger | it supports NTFS but not for installation partition must be FAT |
| 13:51.47 | enouf | ntfs sucks |
| 13:51.49 | tralala | moshii, it's going to do much better than building a custom kernel |
| 13:51.58 | Dewi | tralala: hahaha |
| 13:52.00 | ShaolinTiger | XP pro supports NTFS through and through |
| 13:52.13 | Dewi | ShaolinTiger: so does Home, it just won't let you use the security features |
| 13:52.27 | Dewi | didn't even Win98 support NTFS? |
| 13:52.28 | moshii | phogg: yes, but people suggest defragging for problem ranging from it's not plugged in to malware |
| 13:52.38 | phogg | Dewi: that's incredibly dumb. Not even MS is so stupid. |
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| 13:52.39 | Feax | how can I install a theme from KDE-look.org ? |
| 13:52.42 | ShaolinTiger | it could read it |
| 13:52.44 | moshii | phogg: and in the long run it's not good on your drives |
| 13:52.46 | Dewi | no, I'm thinking of 2000 |
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| 13:53.01 | Dewi | phogg: unfortunately they are :) |
| 13:53.07 | Dewi | phogg: XP Home is so annoying with security |
| 13:53.16 | Dewi | phogg: it's just all deliberately hammered into uselessness |
| 13:53.17 | webfreak | s/with security// |
| 13:53.19 | phogg | moshii: those people tend to be non-literate people who ave learned how to wave a dead chicken but don't know what it means |
| 13:53.20 | webfreak | heh |
| 13:53.26 | Dewi | phogg: it still has *some* security but you just can't control any of it |
| 13:53.36 | Dewi | phogg: for example there can be only one account for network shares. |
| 13:54.02 | moshii | phogg: reminds me of work hahah |
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| 13:54.19 | Dewi | moshii: I've worked with people who had all sorts of strange rituals :) |
| 13:54.39 | webfreak | Dewi: i thought it allowed two connections per network shares. |
| 13:54.41 | Dewi | moshii: I hate being the new guy and having to keep my mouth shut as they lecture me... |
| 13:54.44 | webfreak | -s |
| 13:54.50 | Dewi | moshii: in fact it's one of the main things stopping me looking for a new job |
| 13:55.17 | Dewi | webfreak: I mean login names... only Guest could access shares, and shares would either be "no write" or "full control" |
| 13:55.26 | webfreak | Dewi: oh, right |
| 13:55.48 | moshii | Dewi: I never knew you could have a C class record in DNS.... |
| 13:55.52 | Dewi | webfreak: I can't remember how bad the local security stuff is, but from memory the NTFS security is similarly locked down to be useless |
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| 13:55.58 | webfreak | we use xp home on the office machines at work, unfortunately |
| 13:56.04 | webfreak | linux on my box at work of course |
| 13:56.08 | cast | i have a slight problem wit hmusic skipping |
| 13:56.11 | ShaolinTiger | xp home is useless |
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| 13:56.16 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.18 | moshii | Dewi: yeah, I've given up trying to correct the crap at work |
| 13:56.33 | raghu206 | phogg, whats the option in gdesklets to have dock? |
| 13:56.35 | cahoot | cast: busy system |
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| 13:56.42 | Dewi | so has anyone else every had an ethernet card that... kept changing its MAC address every boot? |
| 13:56.53 | Dewi | it's making it bloody hard for me to give this machine a steady IP |
| 13:57.15 | moshii | Dewi: i386? |
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| 13:57.18 | phogg | I'm doing a package install and get 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10'. Any way to have dpkg tell me what sub-process or must I unpack the .deb and hunt for a script that fails? |
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| 13:57.32 | Dewi | moshii: it's on an nForce motherboard |
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| 13:58.24 | moshii | Dewi: stange |
| 13:58.38 | cast | i get really high loads when running rdiff-backup from one disk to another, do i just have to grin and bear this music skipping issue? |
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| 13:58.55 | Dewi | moshii: oh... I see. "Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC." |
| 13:58.59 | cahoot | cast: you *have* dma enabled? |
| 13:59.06 | cast | yes. |
| 13:59.14 | Dewi | moshii: it seems my card has a MAC that linux doesn't like |
| 13:59.18 | Dewi | moshii: so it randomises it :/ |
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| 13:59.27 | rdz | hi all. how can i get a list of all actual network-connections or all connections on a specific port? |
| 13:59.39 | phogg | rdz: netstat |
| 13:59.42 | blondie | it doesn't like? what address is it? |
| 13:59.47 | dorel__ | rdz: that or lsof |
| 13:59.48 | cahoot | cast: increase buffering? |
| 14:00.01 | rdz | phogg and dorel__ thanks a lot |
| 14:00.07 | moshii | Dewi: nothing in the bios to make it static? |
| 14:00.08 | cast | cahoot: in xmms? |
| 14:00.21 | rdz | dorel__, lsof of what? |
| 14:00.21 | Dewi | moshii: it's not the hardware, it's some political point the module author is making |
| 14:00.22 | cahoot | cast: possibly - or in alsa |
| 14:00.32 | _JusSx_ | :se noai |
| 14:00.32 | _JusSx_ | a:se ai |
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| 14:00.47 | moshii | Dewi: ah, maybe he can't get the details to read the hardware |
| 14:00.59 | Dewi | moshii: he can; it's 01:23:45:67:89:ab |
| 14:01.05 | Dewi | moshii: but apparently that's an illegal value |
| 14:01.08 | moshii | Dewi: ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:98: ... |
| 14:01.21 | Dewi | moshii: so it gets randomly overridden each boot |
| 14:01.27 | moshii | Dewi: with the mac address you want |
| 14:01.38 | moshii | Dewi: stick it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:01.43 | moshii | Dewi: preup |
| 14:01.49 | Dewi | moshii: hmm yeah okay |
| 14:02.01 | Dewi | moshii: that's probably the best way |
| 14:02.06 | phogg | rdz: lsof -i 4 # for example. Read the man page, there are a ton of options. |
| 14:02.11 | dorel__ | rdz: plain lsof, it lists all open files, since almost everything in linux is basically a file descriptor then you can see open ports as well, for example: apache 6153 www-data 16u IPv4 13932 TCP *:www (LISTEN) |
| 14:02.29 | dorel__ | rdz: that entry is listed by using: lsof | grep apache |
| 14:02.42 | jatt | gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.pdf.gz | gpdf |
| 14:02.42 | jatt | doesn't work, sigh... |
| 14:02.52 | Feax | how can I know my KDE version ? |
| 14:03.04 | rdz | dorel__, phogg thanks again |
| 14:03.08 | moshii | Dewi: sparcs have that mac in nvram.. and share it for all nics, that's a real pain ;) |
| 14:03.22 | Dewi | moshii: haha. nice. |
| 14:03.27 | moshii | Dewi: *the mac |
| 14:03.32 | jatt | any chance too see compressed pdf files in debian without decompressing them in a new file first? |
| 14:03.51 | dorel__ | jatt: you mean like zcat? |
| 14:03.51 | blondie | Dewi: yes, that address does look... dodgy. |
| 14:04.00 | dorel__ | jatt: maybe someone should write a zpdf :) |
| 14:04.18 | Dewi | blondie: is this nvidia going well outside its allocated mac space? |
| 14:04.27 | jatt | dorel__: yes :) |
| 14:04.35 | moshii | jatt: compress and pipe it |
| 14:04.38 | tralala | jatt, did you try to directly use gpdf of xpdf? |
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| 14:04.51 | jatt | tralala: I tried directly with gpdf. |
| 14:05.01 | blondie | Dewi: I'd say there was a flashing problem at the manufacturer. |
| 14:05.24 | phogg | jatt: zxpdf would be a pretty easy wrapper for xpdf |
| 14:05.45 | blondie | at work, we have quite a number of motherboards all with "default looking" MAC addresses |
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| 14:06.01 | blondie | 12:34:56 is not valid :) |
| 14:06.35 | jatt | moshii: uncompress and pipe doesn't work with gpdf, gpdf doesn't show the uncompressed output. I already tried |
| 14:06.35 | jatt | gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.pdf.gz | gpdf |
| 14:06.35 | jatt | out. |
| 14:06.58 | Dewi | blondie: my plan is... to just take the random MAC assigned to me by linux and somehow fasten it in /etc/network/interfaces somewhere |
| 14:06.58 | jatt | with zcat instead of gunzip -c the problem is the same. |
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| 14:07.21 | tralala | there is zxpdf indeed and it works |
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| 14:07.25 | moshii | jatt: does gpdf have an option to read stdin? |
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| 14:07.35 | asg | jatt: you could always use zxpdf |
| 14:07.39 | jatt | moshii: aha, probably I am missing that. Will check |
| 14:07.49 | moshii | jatt: like gunzip file.pdf | gpdf - |
| 14:07.56 | moshii | jatt: or what asg suggested :0 |
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| 14:09.20 | jatt | with the dash it doesn't work either. zxpdf doesn't seem to be a package in unstable. |
| 14:09.35 | asg | jatt: it's part of the xpdf package |
| 14:09.40 | Feax | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! -> how can I fix this ? |
| 14:10.04 | moshii | Feax: install the qt -dev packages |
| 14:10.19 | jatt | asg: ok will try it out although I am not a big xpdf fan. Will try if thunar (the xfce4 file manager) can handle the gzipped pdf too. |
| 14:10.27 | jme | Feax: probably need libqt3-mt-dev |
| 14:10.56 | Feax | jme, moshii: what are these packages ? They are not in apt-get |
| 14:10.57 | Feax | !qt |
| 14:10.58 | dpkg | hmm... qt is a cross-platform toolkit developed by TrollTech Inc, that works across UNIX (X11), Windows, and Mac (http://www.trolltech.com). To compile packages (mainly KDE) using it on Debian, try: --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
| 14:10.59 | in4mer | yo |
| 14:11.22 | jme | Feax: libqt3-mt-dev is. apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 14:12.10 | enouf | Dewi: udev rules maybe? you van bind an interface to a specific device ,aybe |
| 14:12.55 | jatt | gpdf should at least read from stdin... thunar couldn't handle the file either. zxpdf worked perfectly. Thanks asg and moshii. |
| 14:12.58 | Feax | checking for KDE... configure: error:in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.So, check this please and use another prefix! -> How can I fix this ? |
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| 14:14.05 | jme | Feax: install the kde dev libraries. kdelibs4-dev |
| 14:14.27 | Feax | okay |
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| 14:15.00 | estong_ | limpio, installing "x-window-system-core" did not solve the problem of blank screen after logging out from the gui. expected behaviour is for etch to return to the prompt. |
| 14:15.19 | estong_ | this is a possible etch bug. |
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| 14:16.54 | navaladi | moshii - hi dude |
| 14:16.57 | marios_s | Hello, I've installed linux and then windows. Now the problem is that I can't dual-boot with windows boot loader. I tried using a live and then running grub-install but there's no way also after chrooting on the brand-new linux partition. How can I dual boot? |
| 14:17.20 | dorel__ | there's an rpm package which im using alien to create a .deb file with, can i make changes (customize) that .deb package i got from alien to my needs? |
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| 14:17.30 | navaladi | moshii - i have set up a webserver it seems working can u check this.. |
| 14:18.17 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 14:18.33 | moshii | navaladi: ip? |
| 14:18.47 | phogg | marios_s: it would have ben better to insall Windows then Linux. Use your liveCD to get a grub command line, then tell it to boot from your Linux partition directly |
| 14:18.54 | ShaolinTiger | http://125.22.98.69 i guess |
| 14:19.19 | navaladi | moshii - 1 sec |
| 14:19.26 | ShaolinTiger | navaladi it works here |
| 14:19.29 | cast | marios_s: so running livecd then chrooting to your new deb install and running grub-install didnt work? |
| 14:19.37 | navaladi | moshii - 125.22.98.69 |
| 14:19.43 | navaladi | moshii - on port 80 |
| 14:19.47 | ShaolinTiger | -r-- 1 0 Nov 12 14:56 Debian |
| 14:19.47 | ShaolinTiger | dr-x 2 4096 Oct 27 2005 users/ |
| 14:19.55 | navaladi | ShaolinTiger - good |
| 14:19.59 | navaladi | ShaolinTiger - Then it works |
| 14:20.04 | navaladi | ShaolinTiger - Thanks |
| 14:20.18 | ShaolinTiger | np |
| 14:20.23 | cast | marios_s: when you run grub-install from a livecd without chrooting you'll have to specify where the config file is see for your debian install. |
| 14:20.29 | navaladi | moshii - it works dude they seems un blocked 80..:) |
| 14:20.39 | marios_s | phogg, I tried to run grub-install but if I do from chrooted partition it says it couldn't get hostbyname, from a live, instead, it say something like there's a missing boot device (grub-install /dev/hda is the command) |
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| 14:21.16 | phogg | marios_s: do not boot from the livecd, just use the livecd's bootloader |
| 14:21.51 | marios_s | But If I reinstall from scratch is it going to work? |
| 14:22.00 | moshii | navaladi: was on the dog and bone.. |
| 14:22.08 | phogg | marios_s: ... yes, it would, but that is not what I suggested. |
| 14:22.13 | moshii | navaladi: coo |
| 14:22.15 | navaladi | moshii : I don't get |
| 14:22.30 | marios_s | Because I'm on a acer and there's a stupid backup partition and I don't if it has somethnig to do with the problem |
| 14:22.35 | navaladi | moshii - dude can i fix my IP here? |
| 14:22.50 | navaladi | moshii - because it is Dynamic I thk |
| 14:22.59 | phogg | marios_s: do you know which grub device corresponds to your linux root partition? |
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| 14:23.01 | ShaolinTiger | navaladi: you can use a service like dyndns |
| 14:23.02 | Zap-W | what's the difference between indirect automount and direct automount |
| 14:23.05 | moshii | navaladi: you might be able to get a static ip from your isp. or use a service list dyndns |
| 14:23.14 | marios_s | phogg of course |
| 14:23.39 | moshii | navaladi: or even better just buy a debian vps for your hosting, $15 a month and a lot less hassle |
| 14:23.52 | navaladi | moshii : so to get static IP does it needs local config or it belongs to ISP side? |
| 14:23.55 | cast | moshii: 15$ a month where? |
| 14:23.58 | marios_s | So I should run something like grub-install /dev/hda --config /mount/linux/boot/grub/menu.. |
| 14:24.03 | ShaolinTiger | navaladi ISP side |
| 14:24.04 | moshii | navaladi: *like dyndns |
| 14:24.05 | phogg | marios_s: then from your livecd's bootloader you should be able to recover. Tell it root (hd,whatever) and kernel /boot/yourkernel and then b (boot) |
| 14:24.20 | marios_s | oh |
| 14:24.20 | marios_s | wonderful. |
| 14:24.22 | marios_s | Thanks. |
| 14:24.33 | phogg | marios_s: I have had bad luck with fixing grub from livecds because of their weird device setup. |
| 14:24.35 | cast | grub-install --root-directory=/mount/linux /dev/hda |
| 14:24.43 | moshii | cast: um tektonic are doing good ones for $20 i think, vpsland have small ones for $15 :) |
| 14:25.04 | cast | ahh. mine is 20$ is all, found ones for 15$ but they were semidodgy |
| 14:25.16 | marios_s | thank you all guys |
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| 14:25.19 | navaladi | can i do it rather than contacting ISP |
| 14:25.27 | moshii | cast: I'm running a tor router on my $20 vpsland one |
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| 14:26.50 | cast | moshii: hmm, vpsland is pretty cheap. are they typically cpu or disk or network limited? |
| 14:26.52 | dorel__ | when i build a deb package, can i make it get certain packages with apt-get when its installed like "dpkg -i package.deb" ? |
| 14:27.03 | dorel__ | or is that only possible with tasksel? |
| 14:27.08 | moshii | cast: um, if you want ram it's very expensive |
| 14:27.11 | cast | moshii: linodes typically end up being limited mostly by disk io see |
| 14:27.27 | moshii | cast: but their network and domain0 machines aren't bad |
| 14:27.53 | yang | is there any channel dedicated to webcameras support? |
| 14:28.04 | cast | moshii: their hosts crash often? |
| 14:28.25 | moshii | cast: mine has been up for almost 40 days now |
| 14:28.44 | cast | nice. might consider them in future :) |
| 14:29.16 | moshii | cast: just don't lock yourself out of your machine with for example a broken firewall config, took them a week to get me back in to my vps :( |
| 14:29.49 | moshii | cast: and don't expect to be setup in the 48 hours they say, takes at least a week |
| 14:29.51 | cyzie | !cvs |
| 14:29.51 | dpkg | from memory, cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 14:30.13 | _JusSx_ | |sleuth kit |
| 14:30.19 | cydork | dorel__, dpkg doesn't solve dependancies. but apt can |
| 14:30.21 | _JusSx_ | !sleuth |
| 14:30.39 | _JusSx_ | !kernel |
| 14:30.40 | cast | moshii: oh. linode has a neat console that you can use when you screw up your network/removessh to login with :> |
| 14:30.41 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.2, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc5-git2, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc5-mm1 |
| 14:30.44 | _JusSx_ | !fat |
| 14:31.35 | moshii | cast: sounds interesting, I'm look for a backup vps from a different provider for when vps land falls over |
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| 14:32.13 | cydork | _JusSx_, use /msg dpkg |
| 14:32.18 | cast | moshii: oh, and what kind of upload do you get? |
| 14:32.32 | moshii | cast: but I already have that vps, a metaarpa accout at freeshell.. I don't think I should be spending much more on shell services ;) |
| 14:32.59 | moshii | cast: my tor router is kicking out 10gigs a day in both directions |
| 14:33.08 | moshii | cast: and that's because I've limited it |
| 14:33.12 | dorel__ | cydork: hey |
| 14:33.35 | cydork | dorel__, hiya :) |
| 14:33.42 | dorel__ | cydork: well i can put some package dependencies in the control file but my question was if it will invoke apt-get to get them or just prompt the user about them missing... |
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| 14:34.51 | cydork | dorel__, if the user uses apt-get or aptitude it will solve them. but if dpkg is used it will just complain. |
| 14:34.51 | CharminTheMoose | Linux 0.11 can be compiled under Linux 0.11. is it just me or does it not make any sense?> |
| 14:35.10 | cydork | CharminTheMoose, huh? |
| 14:35.24 | CharminTheMoose | just something i found on wikipedia cydork |
| 14:35.27 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: as opposed to "under minix" |
| 14:35.28 | asg | CharminTheMoose: that means it was self-hosting at that point. Previously, it couldn't be compiled on itslef. |
| 14:35.34 | dorel__ | cydork: ahh ok |
| 14:35.43 | cydork | hmm vpsland sounds cheap.. |
| 14:35.44 | dorel__ | cydork: ill upload it to debian maintainers then for testing purposes. |
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| 14:35.56 | CharminTheMoose | oh right |
| 14:35.59 | CharminTheMoose | thanks asg |
| 14:36.23 | stefan__ | how do I upgrade bios? isn't windows neede |
| 14:36.44 | moshii | stefan__: a dos boot floppy should do it |
| 14:36.51 | cydork | dorel__, which packages is this? |
| 14:36.59 | cast | stefan__: depends on the bios. go check. some you can boot off a floppy, some asus ones will do it from a usb drive i hear |
| 14:37.11 | dorel__ | cydork: im customizing hudlite-server which is only available as rpm. |
| 14:37.20 | cydork | dorel__, oh ok. |
| 14:37.55 | stefan__ | moshii, yes but how do i do one on debian? i dont need windows to do a boot disk? |
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| 14:38.43 | moshii | stefan__: download an image (google bootdisks) and write it to a floppy or burn a cd with floppy emulation |
| 14:38.44 | stefan__ | moshii, all i can find is .exe-files to create the disks |
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| 14:39.16 | stefan__ | moshii, all i can find is .exe-files |
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| 14:39.28 | radical__ | stefan__: you should be able to find a binary images of a boot-floppy |
| 14:40.16 | radical__ | stefan__: having that you might actually skip the whole floppy thing, by booting the image directly (i guess) |
| 14:40.22 | estong_ | limpio, hello |
| 14:40.44 | stefan__ | radical__, hmm.. what do you mean? |
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| 14:41.50 | radical__ | stefan__: that memtest86 is just a binary image, add it to the bootloader, and off you go. i dont know a reason why it should not work for a binary image of a bootable floppy disk |
| 14:42.59 | stefan__ | radical__, sounds great. but i'm kinda lost |
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| 14:46.22 | TheDuhDuhMan | Hi all |
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| 14:46.45 | TheDuhDuhMan | When you setup postrgresql under Debian, anything it setup by default? |
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| 14:47.02 | radical__ | stefan__: go there http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm to "Non-Windows Based Image Files W/ImageApp" get the zip, and write the .img inside via: dd if=/tmp/foobar.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 14:47.34 | radical__ | stefan__: mount it, copy your flash utilities + new bios to the disk and boot it |
| 14:48.19 | marios_s | ehm, phogg, sorry, but the command is root=/dev/hda3? because it doesn't worl |
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| 14:50.46 | stefan__ | radical__, hmm i dont have a floppy drive.. but thanks, i'll try your idea with a card reader. |
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| 14:51.10 | radical__ | you do have a cd writer? |
| 14:51.28 | stefan__ | radical__, yes i have.. you mean cd, not floppy |
| 14:52.15 | erore | is there a package for nist ne? |
| 14:52.17 | erore | is there a package for nist net? |
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| 14:53.53 | radical__ | stefan__: you should be able to use the floppy image to create a bootable cd too ... |
| 14:54.08 | stefan__ | okej thanks i'll work on it! |
| 14:54.55 | stefan__ | radical__, sorry but i don't think i get the "and write the .img inside via: dd if=/tmp/foobar.img of=/dev/fd0"-part |
| 14:55.03 | radical__ | stefan__: im not entirely certain how to do it, but if youre lucky xcdroast or k3b can do it :) |
| 14:55.42 | marios_s | Hello, excus me, I'm using a live to boot load a debian on /dev/hda. What's the option? root=/dev/hda3 (lin partition) doesn't work |
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| 14:55.42 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 14:56.01 | Ramattack | -has qt3 and libqt3 something to do with mysql? |
| 14:56.12 | phogg | Ramattack: no |
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| 14:56.55 | Ramattack | I have been reading in debian packages there is a liqt3 mysql |
| 14:57.19 | radical__ | radical__: dd - convert and copy a file if=FILE read from FILE instead of stdin of=FILE write to FILE instead of stdout remember that old saying: "everything is a file!" ? |
| 14:57.34 | Ramattack | it says it's a driver for mysql for qt3 |
| 14:57.38 | Ramattack | don't understand this |
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| 14:57.39 | radical__ | whell, its true, everything is a file ;) |
| 14:57.49 | radical__ | even your fd0 device |
| 14:58.47 | stefan__ | radical__, what is /dev/fd0? |
| 14:59.11 | Niels- | floppy disk 0 |
| 14:59.16 | radical__ | stefan__: you floppy drive, obviously |
| 14:59.27 | stefan__ | radical__, but thats what i dont have.. hmm |
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| 14:59.47 | radical__ | start k3b and look for "create bootable cd ..." |
| 15:00.06 | radical__ | and if it asks for an image, use the floppy image |
| 15:00.14 | radical__ | add your data and burn it |
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| 15:01.05 | stefan__ | okej. thanks |
| 15:01.30 | stefan__ | what happened to dcrtools? could not find package.. |
| 15:01.36 | stefan__ | i'm on unstable |
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| 15:02.22 | phogg | marios_s: define 'does not work' |
| 15:02.26 | cahoot | stefan__: cdrecord turned into wodim |
| 15:02.43 | radical__ | cahoot: it did? |
| 15:02.50 | phogg | cahoot: eh? Why? |
| 15:03.02 | cahoot | as far as unstable is concerned |
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| 15:04.16 | stefan__ | cahoot, k3b wines about bad cdrtools. but i have the latest wodim installed.. |
| 15:04.51 | cahoot | stefan__: just use wodim to make the burn then |
| 15:05.54 | stefan__ | cahoot, i'd like to have a graphical option.. is there any? |
| 15:06.02 | earthian | how can i force a reboot even if the computer would hand on xorg session end? |
| 15:06.12 | earthian | i have issues with driver and i just reinstalled it |
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| 15:06.29 | earthian | how can i make sure that my computer will restart cleanly? |
| 15:06.36 | cahoot | stefan__: I've never managed to use any of the frontends |
| 15:06.54 | earthian | and i would like to emphasize "my computer *will* restart" |
| 15:07.08 | cahoot | stefan__: but - there are a few to choose from |
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| 15:08.07 | cahoot | stefan__: apt-cache search burn |
| 15:08.38 | stefan__ | cahoot, :) |
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| 15:09.09 | cahoot | stefan__: you want to burn an iso? |
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| 15:09.35 | radical__ | cahoot: he needs to create a bootable cd to flash his bios |
| 15:09.59 | stefan__ | cahoot, from a bootdisk IMG-file |
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| 15:11.30 | stefan__ | looks like the solution will be to burn a win98-disk and a separate cd with the bios files.. |
| 15:11.43 | lindenle|work | stefan__: I do it with freedos |
| 15:11.52 | radical__ | stefan__: no, you can create a bootable cd and add the data |
| 15:12.07 | lindenle|work | stefan__: and copy the bios into the directory i make the cd from |
| 15:12.11 | cahoot | stefan__: like this? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html |
| 15:12.19 | lindenle|work | !mkisofs |
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| 15:13.05 | etkset | anyone knows how to pass 2TB disk size limit? i tryed features/all/drivers/cciss-support-for-gt-2TB-volumes.patch on the last kernel 2.6.19-rc5 but it doesn't work.. |
| 15:13.44 | etkset | i got a 3TB array sda i 2 tb sdb 1.. annoying! |
| 15:16.18 | xushi | guys, does apt or aptitude take into consideration dependancies? Say if i wanted to install kde but didnt have Xorg installed, would it mention or install it first ? |
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| 15:16.46 | DaBlade | xushi: yes |
| 15:16.53 | xushi | exellent |
| 15:16.56 | lindenle|work | xushi: absolutely and it is basically the best thing since sliced bread |
| 15:16.56 | lindenle|work | !bread |
| 15:16.57 | dpkg | i heard bread is a wheat-based food, and a bad Liverpudlian series that doesn't run anymore. a function used inside the linux kernel |
| 15:16.58 | cast | it shouldnt install xorg though |
| 15:17.14 | xushi | lol, sweet |
| 15:17.28 | xushi | does debian use xfree86 ? |
| 15:17.34 | lindenle|work | cast: x-window-system-core is in dependancies |
| 15:17.35 | DaBlade | Apt was probably the first to use it |
| 15:17.40 | DaBlade | xushi: Not since Etch |
| 15:17.48 | DaBlade | xushi: Sarge is the last one to, thank goodness. |
| 15:17.53 | DaBlade | apt-get install xserver-xorg :) |
| 15:18.08 | cast | lindenle|work: humph. nah, its a suggests |
| 15:18.08 | xushi | i'm on Sarge-3.1rc2 at the moment |
| 15:18.11 | lindenle|work | my bad it suggests x |
| 15:18.21 | xushi | just did the minimum installation, trying to figure out the best way to install x :) |
| 15:18.23 | DaBlade | xushi: I recommend upgrading to etch. |
| 15:18.38 | DaBlade | xushi: sarge is outdated and soon to be obsoleted by Etch. |
| 15:18.38 | xushi | DaBlade: any docs on how to do so ? |
| 15:18.39 | cast | Sashi: just install x-window-system-core |
| 15:18.44 | cast | ehm xushi i mean |
| 15:19.03 | DaBlade | xushi: I haven't tried it myself, but I think apt-get dist-upgrade might do the trick |
| 15:19.08 | DaBlade | Ask someone else to be sure |
| 15:19.22 | xushi | ah, thing is, the servers at work use sarge 3.1, so i guess i have to stick with that for now |
| 15:19.32 | xushi | i'm only installing debian atm to prepare myself and get to know it. so far, so good |
| 15:19.34 | DaBlade | Alrighty |
| 15:19.47 | xushi | but i'll keep it in mind for my own machine later, thanks |
| 15:19.53 | lindenle|work | I am having a font problem in Firefox my apostrophes have gon a awanderin...anyone have a clue for me? |
| 15:19.56 | DaBlade | Go for Etch. You get a graphical installer. :P |
| 15:20.06 | etkset | do you guys know how to break 2 TB limit? |
| 15:20.17 | DaBlade | etkset: What's your problem? |
| 15:20.32 | itchi | xushi: You have the best tools in your hands ;-) |
| 15:20.44 | etkset | i got a 3TB array, i want to see it all in one partition |
| 15:20.48 | DaBlade | etkset: And wow... you wanna get past two terabyte? Here I am with a measly 160gb drive |
| 15:20.53 | cast | etkset: not me, i'd suggest ##linux but those guys dont quite always help.. |
| 15:20.56 | DaBlade | etkset: XFS perhaps? |
| 15:20.57 | etkset | cfdisk now says sda 2 tb sdb 1 tb |
| 15:21.17 | lindenle|work | etkset: Can you use LVM to combine them |
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| 15:21.26 | xushi | < reaching 1.8TB |
| 15:21.34 | DaBlade | Wow. |
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| 15:21.43 | etkset | i know but thers a patch features/all/drivers/cciss-support-for-gt-2TB-volumes.patch |
| 15:21.45 | xushi | 1.6 porn, 0.2 backups... |
| 15:21.50 | DaBlade | I. Want. Terabyte. Lotsa. Movies. TV. Shows. Music. :D |
| 15:21.57 | lindenle|work | xushi: word |
| 15:21.58 | xushi | lol j/k |
| 15:21.58 | DaBlade | haha |
| 15:21.59 | etkset | lol |
| 15:22.06 | xushi | but i wish :p |
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| 15:22.21 | DaBlade | xushi: BitTorrent :) |
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| 15:22.25 | etkset | i tryed to patch but it doesn't work |
| 15:22.47 | lindenle|work | me 300GB |
| 15:22.52 | DaBlade | etkset: If you're able to switch file system, I think XFS can handle ridiculously large drives |
| 15:23.15 | cast | DaBlade: well, cant ext3 and reiserfs too? its not a file system issue |
| 15:23.23 | DaBlade | I don't know |
| 15:23.24 | etkset | ok but i cant make a file system because cfdisk sees the array as 2 drives |
| 15:23.29 | DaBlade | I just heard XFS can. |
| 15:23.34 | DaBlade | I'm no file system guru |
| 15:24.06 | cast | reiserfs goes up to 16TB, anyway |
| 15:24.12 | DaBlade | etkset: Maybe #kernel or ##linux might be able to help, since this doesn't seem to me like a debian-specific problem |
| 15:24.24 | cast | same goes for ext2 |
| 15:24.58 | DaBlade | Max file size 9 exabytes |
| 15:24.58 | DaBlade | Max number of files |
| 15:24.58 | DaBlade | Max filename size 255 bytes |
| 15:24.58 | DaBlade | Max volume size 9 exabytes |
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| 15:25.29 | DaBlade | I hate it how IRC is anal about splitting long strings of text into different lines |
| 15:25.37 | lindenle|work | DaBlade: Yeah I was wondering I have ever heard of this 2TB limit |
| 15:25.40 | DaBlade | Even though that wasn't even a long string of text |
| 15:25.41 | etkset | ook |
| 15:25.46 | etkset | thanks a lot anyway |
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| 15:25.59 | DaBlade | No prob, wish I could've helped you dude |
| 15:26.31 | xushi | is this an ext3 limit or what ? |
| 15:26.52 | cast | DaBlade: isn't freenode fine with up to ~300c long lines? |
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| 15:26.58 | pumpkin0 | DaBlade: ext3 has a 2TiB limit if you force it to use small clusters. But the normal mkfs.ext3 does not use that setting by default .. |
| 15:27.21 | DaBlade | cast: Beats me why it happened. It just did. :) |
| 15:27.31 | cast | DaBlade: client issue! |
| 15:28.02 | DaBlade | I use Konversation |
| 15:28.12 | etkset | it's a kernel limit |
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| 15:28.22 | etkset | i see the array al 2 drives |
| 15:28.33 | DaBlade | etkset: You could perhaps give XFS a try. |
| 15:28.44 | DaBlade | That's all the advice I have to offer. :( |
| 15:28.45 | cast | DaBlade: but he can't even mkfs.xfs it |
| 15:29.04 | DaBlade | Maybe a livecd can do it |
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| 15:29.43 | DaBlade | (Just making random suggestions, don't take anything I say on this subject very seriously.. I got no clue about that sort of stuff. :)) |
| 15:30.00 | DaBlade | lol |
| 15:30.04 | DaBlade | gParted LiveCD |
| 15:30.09 | etkset | lol |
| 15:30.12 | lindenle|work | Filesystem block size: 1kB 2kB 4kB 8kB |
| 15:30.15 | lindenle|work | File size limit: 16GB 256GB 2048GB 2048GB |
| 15:30.15 | lindenle|work | Filesystem size limit: 2047GB 8192GB 16384GB 32768GB |
| 15:30.22 | lindenle|work | 32768GB=32TB |
| 15:30.23 | etkset | what should i do??!? :| |
| 15:30.26 | lindenle|work | with large block size |
| 15:30.26 | lindenle|work | etkset: so use LVM |
| 15:30.26 | lindenle|work | if you really have to devices that will sole the problem |
| 15:30.27 | lindenle|work | s/to/two/ |
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| 15:30.44 | DaBlade | Paster bot? |
| 15:31.07 | cast | etkset: mailing lists. unless its time critical, then maybe buy support? or keep searching around freenode for someone used to dealing with such things |
| 15:31.12 | pumpkin0 | etkset: http://lwn.net/Articles/4803/ |
| 15:31.54 | lindenle|work | etkset: did you here my advice |
| 15:31.56 | pumpkin0 | etkset: you are right, it´s a kernel limit for 32 bit archs. |
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| 15:32.12 | elTigre | how can I limit the download bandwidth of apt-get or wget? |
| 15:32.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | i just did an clean install (minimal, so x whats so ever) of debian sarge, and install tightvncserver, but when i run Xvnc :0 it says it cant find the fonts, could someone help me with that problem? |
| 15:32.23 | cast | etkset: wget is --limit-rate 10k |
| 15:32.24 | factorx | DaBlade, read the topic. |
| 15:32.45 | etkset | it's time critical :| |
| 15:32.46 | cast | elTigre: oops, i mean you |
| 15:32.59 | lindenle|work | !lvm |
| 15:33.00 | etkset | it's sunday and i'm here asking stuff for work :) |
| 15:33.00 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 15:33.17 | elTigre | cast: how can I sneak that into apt-get? |
| 15:33.19 | pumpkin0 | etkset: create 2 devices and joining them using LVM sound like a workable idea. |
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| 15:33.44 | etkset | yes i know about that but mmmmmm does it work good? have you tryed it? |
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| 15:33.59 | cast | elTigre: looks like you can use trickle, hmm, |
| 15:34.07 | lindenle|work | my 300GB data space is compose of 4 drives and it works like a charm |
| 15:34.23 | elTigre | what is trickle? |
| 15:34.26 | cast | elTigre: http://xlife.zuavra.net/index.php/14/ good luck |
| 15:34.34 | brazilian_guy | hi, i have just installed debian on my pc, and i would like to know if there is some tool to configure my screen resolution |
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| 15:35.18 | lindenle|work | pumpkin0: is it a kernel limit b/c of the device, I am not following so well |
| 15:35.21 | enouf | !tell brazilian_guy about drxx |
| 15:35.41 | zeeek | anyone k,ow anything about madwifi? |
| 15:35.49 | zeeek | or know even? |
| 15:35.57 | enouf | zeeek: /msg dpkg madwifi |
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| 15:36.10 | tralala | zeeek, I do - you take the cvs code, you compile it and it runs fine |
| 15:36.33 | zeeek | made compiled but modprobe no worky |
| 15:36.48 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 15:36.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:36.53 | zeeek | unresloved syms. I already read the googled pages and tried the suggestions |
| 15:37.06 | lindenle|work | enouf: so wicked |
| 15:37.06 | tralala | zeeek, cvs? |
| 15:37.13 | enouf | hehe :-) |
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| 15:37.40 | zeeek | let me ask a specific, general debian quesrtion first |
| 15:37.50 | lindenle|work | enouf: I fit into the category of the second sentence |
| 15:38.04 | lindenle|work | specific != generl |
| 15:38.07 | zeeek | Why is the vmlinuz that boots about 800k and the one I make 3megs? I must be missing a step that compresses it, eh? |
| 15:38.07 | lindenle|work | s/generl/general/ |
| 15:38.29 | lindenle|work | or you are compiling a monolithic kernel with all the modules inside ;) |
| 15:38.45 | zeeek | well I used make config |
| 15:38.49 | enouf | lindenle|work: I got 20 min to kill .. this DVD burning is horribly slow on this pII .. need to do something about that |
| 15:38.57 | zeeek | and reduced the number to what I think is minimal |
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| 15:39.23 | zeeek | this is a laptop so it needs only a few things § no diskette and no cdrom |
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| 15:39.36 | enouf | whoops .. only 14 or so now --> 2507964416/4679174144 (53.6%) @2.2x, remaining 14:17 RBU 97.5% |
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| 15:40.00 | lindenle|work | enouf: when it rains it pours |
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| 15:40.16 | enouf | had cd only and dvd-rom for longest tiome .. dvd-burner was 40 bucks shipped :-) |
| 15:40.31 | zeeek | the said, the kernel makes and so does madwifi, but then depmod complains about unresolved symbols |
| 15:40.32 | lindenle|work | enouf: my cd/dvd in my lappy is in on rma so I have a big hole in the side....makes it ligher i guess |
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| 15:40.45 | enouf | haha .. so sorry actually :-( |
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| 15:40.59 | tralala | zeeek, my recommendations - do not use custom kernels, do use debian stable and do compile the cvs version of madwifi. This is what I do and it works "out of the box". |
| 15:41.01 | enouf | that's looking on the bright side though :-) |
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| 15:41.25 | lindenle|work | zeeek: I agree with tralala much easier to build the deian way |
| 15:41.28 | lindenle|work | !kernel |
| 15:41.30 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.2, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc5-git2, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc5-mm1 |
| 15:41.54 | sgorilla78 | how can get the package that a particular file belongs to? |
| 15:41.56 | lindenle|work | /tell zeeek about make-kpkg |
| 15:42.07 | lindenle|work | !tell zeeek about make-kpkg |
| 15:42.12 | lindenle|work | WTF |
| 15:42.17 | sgorilla78 | rpm -ql /home/foo.txt, i think that is how you do it with rpm |
| 15:42.36 | enouf | lindenle|work: sad thing here is that the NEC burner will do 16.4x burn speed .. but the FSB on this pII is so slow .. ugh .. notice--> |
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| 15:42.39 | lindenle|work | enouf: what dvd drive do you have |
| 15:42.41 | zeeek | Ok folks, give me a link that allows me to do it all on the Internet cause there's no CD on this laptop |
| 15:42.48 | enouf | lindenle|work: /dev/hdd: "Current Write Speed" is 16.4x1385KBps. |
| 15:43.05 | enouf | NEC 3550A |
| 15:43.12 | lindenle|work | enouf: ouch |
| 15:43.32 | tralala | zeeek, is it able to boot off usb? |
| 15:43.37 | zeeek | nope |
| 15:43.42 | enouf | lindenle|work: gotta get a case and a PSU for my AMD3000+ just sitting here collecting dust :-( |
| 15:43.50 | lindenle|work | enouf: im impressed that you have a pII, my slowest machine now is a pIII....except for my zaurus |
| 15:43.51 | sgorilla80 | dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 15:43.51 | dpkg | Package: /path/to/file: Status: install ok installed |
| 15:44.03 | enouf | lindenle|work: I have a p166 too :-P |
| 15:44.26 | tralala | zeeek, and how did you install debian the first time? |
| 15:44.40 | enouf | lindenle|work: only no NIC .. oh .. yeah .. thanks fior reminding me .. for when I order the case and PSU |
| 15:44.42 | zeeek | by the way make-kpg "command not found" |
| 15:44.45 | lindenle|work | enouf: nice, i chucked my p100 aout a year ago...just got tired of lugging it around |
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| 15:44.51 | sgorilla80 | enouf: man that is old |
| 15:45.00 | Trewas | enouf: that is only 22MB/s, surely something else than slowness of FSB is the problem |
| 15:45.08 | zeeek | tralala WITH MUCH DIFFULTY :) |
| 15:45.25 | zeeek | I installed it on another box and booted that diosk in the laptop |
| 15:45.36 | tralala | zeeek, and which debian did you install? |
| 15:45.42 | zeeek | chancged a few things like fstab and basically it works now |
| 15:46.03 | zeeek | 2.4.23 using the network minimum image |
| 15:46.04 | lindenle|work | enouf: does the pII have usb....? |
| 15:46.14 | enouf | Trewas: well the Disk is fast .. yet with a PII .. fastets is UDMA33 |
| 15:46.23 | lindenle|work | if so who needs a NIC |
| 15:46.26 | tralala | zeeek, 2.4.23 is a kernel but I suppose you mean sarge |
| 15:46.27 | enouf | lindenle|work: Yes .. but only USB 1.1 |
| 15:46.34 | zeeek | ya sarge |
| 15:46.34 | lindenle|work | oh bummer |
| 15:46.42 | tralala | zeeek, do you still run 2.4? |
| 15:46.43 | enouf | lindenle|work: the p166 needs the NIC |
| 15:46.47 | zeeek | I've never used debian (as is obvious) |
| 15:47.00 | lindenle|work | enouf: gotcha |
| 15:47.18 | enouf | this PII has a nice Netgear 32xx .. just d/l the debian ISO dvds @ 1400kB/sec :-) |
| 15:47.22 | zeeek | I wasn't certain 2.6 would like this hw |
| 15:47.28 | tralala | hey p1 make great router machines |
| 15:47.34 | enouf | erm 31xx <--whatever iot is |
| 15:47.59 | tralala | zeeek, why don't you just try it? Are you using grub? |
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| 15:48.17 | Trewas | enouf: yeah UDMA33 might limit the DVD's speed, still it has nothing to do with FSB (connection between CPU and th rest of the system) |
| 15:48.19 | zeeek | Yeah grub was installed and works (fter some pita) |
| 15:48.28 | enouf | Trewas: the FSB is 100MHz .. and the fastest the 440BX/82371AB/EB will do is UDMA33 |
| 15:48.36 | pumpkin0 | etkset: still here ? |
| 15:48.38 | enouf | Right .. ok |
| 15:48.54 | zeeek | so I'm sitting here with a console prompt, if I were going to build 2.6 how would that happen from the net only, no images |
| 15:48.55 | lindenle|shift | enouf: server is athlon 1800+ lappy is centrino spare lappy is pIII clereon |
| 15:49.14 | lindenle|shift | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.17 | tralala | zeeek, cpu/memory? |
| 15:49.21 | enouf | Trewas: many pII's used a 66FSB .. bt this 350 (333?) and up were made for 100 |
| 15:49.25 | zeeek | 1.3Gh 512 |
| 15:49.33 | enouf | lindenle|shift: that's not bad |
| 15:49.38 | phud | Hi |
| 15:49.43 | in4mer | sup |
| 15:49.48 | enouf | erm .. celery ? .. maybe not so bad .. hehe |
| 15:49.53 | tralala | zeeek, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:49.54 | lindenle|shift | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.58 | zeeek | The laptop is a NC4000 2 yrs old |
| 15:50.02 | lindenle|shift | !pate |
| 15:50.03 | dpkg | from memory, pate is liver! |
| 15:50.03 | enouf | lindenle|shift: excellent |
| 15:50.11 | lindenle|shift | !butter |
| 15:50.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, butter is a matter of personal taste. Some people like stinky butter, some like smooth butter, some even like margarine. Asking, "which butter is better" is meaningless. It all depends on what bread you're putting it on. |
| 15:50.40 | pumpkin0 | etkset: there is a kernel config called CONFIG_LBD that enables block devices > 2TiB. Have you checked that one ? |
| 15:50.54 | zeeek | tralala why 686? |
| 15:50.56 | lindenle|shift | enouf: oh yeah and I have a wrtg lynksys that also runs linux |
| 15:51.05 | in4mer | don't know |
| 15:51.10 | enouf | Trewas: FWIW .. got me an Hitachi 80GB drive that does UDMA100 .. can't use it's full potential cause of Chipset on this system .. and yes I'm using 80wire IDE cables :-) |
| 15:51.19 | Trewas | enouf: UDMA33 should be fine for 8x DVD-writing at least, even 16x is borderline doable as long as the burner is the only device on that interface |
| 15:51.20 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: good catch man |
| 15:51.25 | lindenle|shift | !beer pumpkin0 |
| 15:51.26 | enouf | lindenle|shift: coool |
| 15:51.53 | tralala | zeeek, because it will work. Of course you could select something closer to your actual cpu model |
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| 15:52.16 | zeeek | It's an 'M' why maybe counts as a P4 |
| 15:52.20 | pumpkin0 | lindenle|shift: i rembered the setting all the time, but could not find the name ... |
| 15:52.40 | enouf | Trewas: I know what you mean .. I really need to tweak this .. 4496490496/4679174144 (96.1%) @2.1x, remaining 1:09 RBU 99.8% <-- outer part of the disk and still .. maybe the overburn, or burnproof options are limiting me |
| 15:52.51 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: is the make config the only place to read about them or is there some file in Documentation dir? |
| 15:52.52 | enouf | still 2.1x |
| 15:53.10 | tralala | zeeek, it's 686 then |
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| 15:53.30 | zeeek | ok |
| 15:53.31 | Haase | hi |
| 15:53.44 | pumpkin0 | lindenle|shift: none that i know of. |
| 15:53.52 | jduggan | which debian package is there an svn client? |
| 15:53.56 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: I guess it is kind of silly to have filesystems that support 16EB but a kernel tha only supports 2TB ;) |
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| 15:54.04 | enouf | Trewas: maybe it's the Blank media that is 16x capable .. I recall reding I may need tpo upgrade the firmware for the NEC to get the ful potential out of it .. oh we'll see :-) |
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| 15:54.35 | h3sp4wn | jduggan: subversion |
| 15:54.36 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: thee is also an opion for files bigger than 2TB |
| 15:54.44 | enouf | hehe .. final tally --> builtin_dd: 2284768*2KB out @ average 1.9x1385KBps |
| 15:54.46 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: aka my IRC log files |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | now let's see if she's a boot up :-) |
| 15:55.16 | pumpkin0 | lindenle|shift: example XFS: you cannot check a >6 TiB XFS partition on 32Bit HW. 32 Bit HW cannot manage enough RAM to check these in one go ... |
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| 15:55.23 | nonix4 | Hmm, what was the proper method for copying say, the contents of /dev/sda to a remote host? scp or some ssh mangling or something complex involving rsync? |
| 15:55.29 | enouf | erm .. maybe not now :-) .. I got 22+ days of uptime going .. hehe |
| 15:55.36 | nonix4 | (... and backwards?) |
| 15:55.39 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: I see |
| 15:55.59 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: the whole block device ? scp or netcat |
| 15:56.04 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.04 | menace | is there a possibility to see all subprocesses of a process? |
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| 15:56.22 | pumpkin0 | menace: pstree ? |
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| 15:56.43 | menace | ah, thanks |
| 15:57.30 | lindenle|shift | enouh: 1 100 days, 07:58:35 |
| 15:57.33 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: well _if_ the network connectivity isn't that great, resumption is needed... "only" rsync-based approaches would work for that, right? |
| 15:57.56 | Sirius_Black | guys - a question about frambuffered console. ive a monitor that can do 1440x900. what vga parameter should i use, e.g. for 1024x768 i use vga=0x317. any idea? |
| 15:58.17 | zeeek | tralala ok I got connected via cable and am getting the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:58.25 | Sirius_Black | this is about /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:58.34 | tralala | zeeek, good |
| 15:58.35 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: yes, use rsync in that case. |
| 15:58.43 | bokey | pumpkin0# hi =) |
| 15:58.59 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: ... does rsync support raw devices atm though? Or do I need to hack the sources? ;) |
| 15:59.00 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: but read the docs first, there are some catches when dealing with large files. |
| 15:59.05 | zeeek | which is better lilo or grub? |
| 15:59.22 | jatt | grub? |
| 15:59.30 | lindenle|shift | !grub |
| 15:59.31 | dpkg | it has been said that grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
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| 15:59.57 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: donknow... if it fails: use dd to turn the sda into a file. |
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| 16:00.07 | tralala | zeeek, grub is |
| 16:00.17 | zeeek | ok so what do I do now that the 2.6 is there |
| 16:00.28 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: Hmm, so if I have "no" local storage available, I'd be better off writing a script that splices it to ram-drive size bits and rsyncs them? |
| 16:00.28 | zeeek | boot it? |
| 16:00.35 | tralala | yes |
| 16:00.42 | zeeek | TRY to boot it in the grub menu :) |
| 16:00.51 | jatt | isn't lilo unmaintained upstream? |
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| 16:01.20 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: i that case i would use dd and netcat to send batches of X MB at a time. |
| 16:01.37 | tralala | zeeek, your grub config should have been updated by the installation and 2.6 is supposed to start by default now |
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| 16:01.59 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: I think I did it that way 2 years ago... where X was 64 back then. |
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| 16:02.49 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: rsync over ssh though for public networks ;) |
| 16:02.59 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: and, if the network is slow and the CPU fast: use bzip/gzip to compress the block on-the-fly.... |
| 16:03.14 | lindenle|shift | !pipe |
| 16:03.15 | dpkg | | |
| 16:03.28 | zeeek | tralala it offered to update lilo and I declined |
| 16:03.35 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: well, both rsync and ssh have compression support too :) |
| 16:04.06 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: I once used that netcat trick to copy a dying HD across the country |
| 16:04.19 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: took a minute o two but it worked |
| 16:04.29 | tralala | zeeek, do you have the package grub installed? |
| 16:04.33 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: i meant the dd + netcat case. |
| 16:04.39 | lindenle|shift | pumpkin0: I did it in an ssh tunnel of course |
| 16:04.40 | zeeek | booting |
| 16:05.51 | tralala | zeeek, since you're not using lilo you should uninstall it. You also need to have grub installed and when you install a new kernel your boot menu will be automatically configured to use it. |
| 16:05.56 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: yeah, figured that out... dd + rsync-over-ssh seems to be simpler than dd + netcat + whatnot - from my perspective anyway :) |
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| 16:06.15 | zeeek | so can I get madwifi using apt-get ? |
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| 16:06.43 | tralala | zeeek, get it using cvs |
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| 16:06.59 | lindenle|shift | !tell zeeek about madwifi |
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| 16:07.18 | tralala | zeeek, cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@madwifi.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi co -P madwifi |
| 16:07.19 | CharminTheMoose | when i do a fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image it mumbles something about oldconfig |
| 16:07.27 | CharminTheMoose | should i worry about this? |
| 16:07.33 | lindenle|shift | !tell zeeek about madwifi-install |
| 16:07.56 | Haase | hi there, ive got a little problem while installing the courier package on a debian, it says me: courier-authlib: Conflicts: courier-authmysql but 0.47-4sarge5 is to be installed, could so help me pls? ;) |
| 16:08.04 | nonix4 | lindenle|shift: for dying HDs you really have to be aware of dd's extra options... and dd_rescue and alike |
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| 16:09.39 | lindenle|shift | nonix4: I used dd_rescue |
| 16:09.40 | enouf | !beer lindenle|shift |
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| 16:10.43 | lindenle|shift | enouf: Thanks i was getting thirsty |
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| 16:11.53 | enouf | lindenle|shift: forgot to tell ya.. I'm on an non-updated/upgraded sid .. and trying k3b it choked at any file over 4GB .. so I resorted to growisofs , which is what I originally was going to use .. but can you believe it took me so long to get that /dev/dvd= should be replaced with an actual /dev .. like mine /dev/hdd=debian.iso .. d'oh! |
| 16:11.55 | nonix4 | Hmm, both rsync and scp/sftp have been coded to reject raw devices these days :-/ Gotta use dd or plain old cat then :-( |
| 16:12.50 | lindenle|shift | nonix4: get some |
| 16:12.53 | lindenle|shift | ! |
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| 16:15.24 | nonix4 | /usr/bin/time ssh -T foo@bar '/usr/bin/time cat >foobar012' < /dev/hda |
| 16:15.45 | zeeek | this is interesting... |
| 16:16.02 | enouf | woot .. successful mount --> sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom |
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| 16:16.29 | zeeek | holy ... it actually worked... so far |
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| 16:16.46 | nixbox | I have an ssh session with a console, I want to log all the activity, there is not much user activity but there are lots of lines that get printed on the console as a result of packet arrivals, I want to log the time (with milliseconds granularity) at the start of each line printed, screen can't do that, any other ideas? I was suggested "logger" yesterday but I can't figure out how to use logger in this case. |
| 16:16.51 | dc2448 | Can anyone advise why a sage nfs server would be only allowing read only access despite the exports being shared rw, the perms on the client and server are writable and forward and reverse dns works? |
| 16:17.45 | xingu | dc2448: root squash? |
| 16:18.37 | dc2448 | Not root squash - trying to write as non root user |
| 16:18.42 | dc2448 | good shout though |
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| 16:19.14 | xingu | dc2448: check the underlying filesystem would be the next guess, see if its writeable by that user |
| 16:19.29 | xingu | dc2448: how are you checking exports btw? showmount -e from client is best... |
| 16:19.39 | blondie | dc2448: permissions on the directory :P |
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| 16:19.50 | dc2448 | I am using showmount -e |
| 16:19.59 | dc2448 | permissions are fine on client and server |
| 16:20.35 | xingu | dc2448: if you su to user can you touch a file? |
| 16:20.47 | dc2448 | No |
| 16:20.58 | xingu | dc2448: checked for ro mount opt? |
| 16:21.08 | minerale | I'm ssh'ing into a computer with options: " -o TCPKeepAlive=yes -o ServerAliveInterval=10" and yet the ssh keeps dying on me, is there a way to keep a ssh session always alive ? |
| 16:21.15 | xingu | dc2448: aah, I mean on the server, if you su to the client's uid can you touch a file? |
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| 16:21.35 | dc2448 | 192.168.1.10:/mnt/hda/data on /linkstation-data type nfs (rw,hard,intr,addr=192.168.1.10) |
| 16:21.49 | pumpkin0 | minerale: it depends on the reason why the connection is dying. |
| 16:21.55 | cahoot | minerale: screen + irssi to #debian |
| 16:22.00 | lindenle|shift | dc2448: could it be a uid mismatch? |
| 16:22.19 | xingu | dc2448: oic loopback mount on same node? |
| 16:22.24 | zeeek | ath0 is there and looks alright but dhclient ath0 isn't finding anything |
| 16:22.26 | dc2448 | There is a uid mismatch |
| 16:22.49 | tralala | cahoot, heh, that's exactly what I'm doing :) |
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| 16:22.53 | pumpkin0 | cahoot: "watch -n uptime" ? |
| 16:23.11 | lindenle|shift | dc2448: in the user space nfs server there is the ability to map --> map_static |
| 16:23.12 | rovragge | I want to reinstall debian on an old woody server (not upgrade but install from scratch). I was thinking about using a virtualizer to prepare a system image, test it (I only have remote access to the machine) and then migrate the system running under a virtualized guest to be the real host OS. What about this idea, will it work? |
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| 16:23.17 | cahoot | pumpkin0: slightly more elegant ;) |
| 16:23.25 | tralala | sometimes I also do "while date; do sleep 3m; done" |
| 16:24.01 | dc2448 | can you explain that lindenle|shift? |
| 16:24.09 | lindenle|shift | tralala: I guess that closes when the world ends |
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| 16:24.53 | lindenle|shift | dc2448: yeah I have never used it but it allows you to map client uids o serer uids so the mismatch goes away but it is only an option for the user space nfs server I guess maybe try google. |
| 16:24.56 | zeeek | tralala thx for getting 2.6 running on my laptop. madwifi did indeed make with no trouble at all |
| 16:25.32 | tralala | lindenle|shift, or when you hit ctrl-c |
| 16:25.34 | phud | yo |
| 16:25.37 | dc2448 | Ok - ta |
| 16:25.43 | xingu | dc2448: before you go... |
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| 16:25.55 | xingu | dc2448: lets try and split this tree; on 192.168.1.10 |
| 16:26.00 | tralala | zeeek, you're welcome |
| 16:26.11 | xingu | dc2448: ... can you su to the uid you think you'll be using on that system then touch the file? |
| 16:26.20 | pumpkin0 | lindenle|shift: or the unix-epoch makes date choke ... |
| 16:26.33 | zeeek | tralala however... this leads to more questions :) |
| 16:26.37 | phud | out of interest |
| 16:26.43 | xingu | dc2448: I'd like to know if the fs /mnt/hda/data on 192.168.1.10 is definitively writeable for that user |
| 16:27.04 | zeeek | on boot, it wants an ip on eth0 which I dosconnected. How do I tell it to use ath0 ? |
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| 16:27.22 | lindenle|shift | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.32 | lindenle|shift | xingu: I think we figured out it was a uid mismatch |
| 16:27.56 | dc2448 | fixing the uid mismatch hasn't fixed that |
| 16:27.56 | lindenle|shift | /tell zeeek about interfaces |
| 16:28.02 | lindenle|shift | !tell zeeek about interfaces |
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| 16:28.36 | lindenle|shift | dc2448: ok sorry, not solved yet then |
| 16:28.36 | xingu | lindenle|shift: maybe, but I want to start at the start and make sure the server's fs is definitively writeable to that uid and that there's no other server-side funnies like re-exporting an nfs mount going on... |
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| 16:28.49 | lindenle|shift | xingu: ye you are right |
| 16:28.53 | xingu | dc2448: how you get on with su, touch? |
| 16:29.33 | dc2448 | touch: cannot touch `1': Read-only file system |
| 16:29.38 | tralala | zeeek, wiki.debian.org is full of good stuff about debian. It can answer many (if not all) of your questions |
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| 16:29.58 | xingu | dc2448: so is /mnt/hda/data mounted ro, or maybe it's a fs that doesn't support unix uid's like vfat? |
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| 16:30.02 | minerale | cahoot: were you saying the reason my connection is dying is screen + irssi to #debian ? |
| 16:30.20 | zeeek | tralala yeah I'm lookingn at it now and have been all day |
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| 16:30.32 | cahoot | minerale: sorry no, it was a rather bad joke |
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| 16:30.35 | zeeek | in fact I'm trying to follow the instructs, naturally |
| 16:31.25 | pumpkin0 | minerale: some server disconnect console that are inactive. #debian will provide activity... lots. |
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| 16:31.28 | marz | hi |
| 16:31.28 | morae | hello, i don't know what i downloaded from the webpage but i installed debian and i can use ONLY X i am worried |
| 16:31.32 | dc2448 | "/mnt/hda/data/ 192.168.1.2(rw,sync,nohide)" |
| 16:31.33 | tralala | zeeek, good - you're on the way to enlightment |
| 16:31.34 | cahoot | minerale: running "watch -n uptime" in a screen session was suggested in a more serious way |
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| 16:31.41 | zeeek | but I don't have iwconfig ? |
| 16:31.47 | xingu | dc2448: aah, that *is* a re-exported nfs mount |
| 16:31.48 | dc2448 | the user-nfs package doesn't seem to support exportfs |
| 16:31.54 | tralala | zeeek, it's in wireless-tools |
| 16:32.04 | tralala | zeeek, /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:32.11 | zeeek | k thx |
| 16:32.25 | morae | someone can help me please ? |
| 16:32.26 | dc2448 | xingu - it isn't - that was the exports file |
| 16:32.33 | pumpkin0 | morae: search for the file /etc/debian_version. What does is say ? |
| 16:32.47 | xingu | dc2448: oic, fair do; now what about the local mount on that system, 1.10 |
| 16:33.07 | xingu | dc2448: two things - what filesystem is it, and what mount opts are used ? |
| 16:33.13 | morae | pumpkin0: i am on the live cd ubuntu from a friend, i can't contact anyone from debian |
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| 16:33.49 | morae | pumpkin0 i will give you the link.. |
| 16:34.05 | xingu | dc2448: ie I'm beginning to think that the problem is not with the export, but more with the local (to 1.10) mount of that block device |
| 16:34.35 | lindenle|shift | xingu: is is ntfs or vfat that could give you trouble |
| 16:34.37 | dc2448 | The file system is ext3 and the options are "rw,hard,intr" |
| 16:34.54 | morae | pumpkin0: this one: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable ( im using intel ) |
| 16:35.18 | pumpkin0 | morae: OK, that will install sarge/stable. Now what´s the problem ? |
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| 16:35.51 | morae | pumpkin0 i installed but i can use only X and i want to see the desktop |
| 16:36.05 | xingu | dc2448: fair enough; a few possibilities could render that filesystem ro; an error could have made it remount as root, or, the permissions on any of /, /mnt, /mnt/hda, /mnt/hda/data |
| 16:36.42 | pumpkin0 | morae: X is the desktop. You only see the console ? (DOS-like thing ?) |
| 16:36.56 | morae | yes, the console |
| 16:37.00 | xingu | dc2448: my test for "render that filesystem ro" was - locally to 1.10, su as user on 1.10, touch a file under /mnt/hda/data - I'm assuming this is what responded as "cannot touch" earlier |
| 16:37.03 | dc2448 | xingu - I was pretty sure I have checked all these |
| 16:37.22 | dc2448 | I can touch on the local filesystem |
| 16:37.45 | xingu | dc2448: ok, that was unclear - my apologies |
| 16:37.53 | dc2448 | Is there a reason that the user-nfs package doesn't have the exportfs utility? |
| 16:37.55 | solemnwarning | Are there any programs for making video DVD's? |
| 16:37.57 | dc2448 | No worries |
| 16:38.08 | dc2448 | I have never ran nfs on sarge before |
| 16:38.18 | pumpkin0 | morae: login as root and run: apt-get install x-window-system-core; apt-get install kde |
| 16:38.23 | dc2448 | Will try different shares and tra and debug from there |
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| 16:38.51 | xingu | dc2448: if we shoot back up the tree again and the fs is locally rw - we need to know why the mount of it is not (your original question); checking a few manpages, brb |
| 16:38.53 | morae | pumpkin0 i can't use gnome ? only kde ? |
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| 16:39.09 | pumpkin0 | morae: OK, use apt-get install gnome ... |
| 16:39.30 | morae | pumpkin0 ok, so what's the command to be root ? su ? |
| 16:39.46 | pumpkin0 | morae: there are dozens of DE/WMs in debian, just pick one. "su" or login as root. |
| 16:39.46 | action09 | :/ |
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| 16:40.27 | morae | pumpkin0 ok, if that works i will give you a beer or what you want, thanks a lot |
| 16:40.40 | pumpkin0 | morae: good luck. |
| 16:41.12 | pumpkin0 | morae: for a full-blow gnome: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 16:41.35 | morae | pumpkin0 ok |
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| 16:42.15 | morae | bye, see you in few minutes. |
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| 16:42.59 | xingu | dc2448: one more assumption; are /mnt/hda and /mnt/hda/data the same block filesystem on the server? |
| 16:43.45 | dc2448 | yes |
| 16:43.51 | xingu | actually that shouldn't matter if you are touching /linkstation-data/1 |
| 16:44.01 | solemnwarning | Are there any programs I can use to record audio/video from my bttv TV card? |
| 16:44.11 | solemnwarning | Please don't say mythtv, I can't ever get it to work |
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| 16:44.31 | zeeek | I'm still missing some small thing here. ath0 looks like it's properly installed (ifconfig rpts it) |
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| 16:45.16 | zeeek | ifup shows it trying to DHCP but there is a message about sit0 unknown hardware |
| 16:45.51 | xingu | dc2448: I'm assuming from the path - that /mnt/hda is the block device and that .../data is a subdir; does re-exporting with no_subtree_check (and remounting on the client end) give you a different result? |
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| 16:46.04 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know any way to return the mbr to it's natural windoze xp state from debian? |
| 16:46.16 | pumpkin0 | solemnwarning: mplayer/mencoder. But that is console low-level stuff. |
| 16:46.27 | robin_sz | so, ndiswrapper, can I use it to provide crivers for windows-only USB cams as well as PCMCIA wireless cards? or is it just a wireless cards thjing? |
| 16:46.33 | solemnwarning | Is there any simple graphical utility for it? |
| 16:46.51 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: mplayer -gui (dunno whether it does what you want though in the gui) |
| 16:46.55 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: there is a exe called fixmbr that destroys all grub/lilo installs first go .. |
| 16:46.58 | lindenle|shift | solemnwarning: mplayer or rather mencoder |
| 16:47.18 | lindenle|shift | solemnwarning: freevo too if you want a nice interface |
| 16:47.41 | solemnwarning | I'm guessing I need to build freevo from source? |
| 16:47.57 | lindenle|shift | solemnwarning: I think it ijust python scripts |
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| 16:48.05 | dc2448 | doesn't help xingu |
| 16:48.06 | tralala | zeeek, paste the last 10-20 lines of /var/log/syslog to rafb.net/paste |
| 16:48.18 | pumpkin0 | h3sp4wn: the gui is player-only. No record functions (yet) |
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| 16:49.06 | h3sp4wn | pumpkin0: I have never used other than once (didn't work at all well in full screen if you changed any options) |
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| 16:49.08 | zeeek | heh paste... I'm IRC on Macbook so it ain't gonna happen :) I found something in google tho: about updating dhcp client to 3. Looking into it |
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| 16:49.43 | lindenle|shift | solemnwarning: i used to use it and it was good |
| 16:50.20 | solemnwarning | The screenshots look good, I'm just waiting for it to dl |
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| 16:52.09 | tralala | zeeek, you don't need to update your client - the one that you have works just fine |
| 16:52.16 | the_lord | how do I know if speedstep is working? |
| 16:52.18 | EmleyMoor | Does make-kpkg binary make all relevant kernel-* packages? |
| 16:52.43 | pumpkin0 | the_lord: cat /proc/cpuinfo and look for the speed. It should be changing... |
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| 16:53.15 | zeeek | tralala so I saw... |
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| 16:53.24 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: it does if you load some modules and have a well-behaved BIOS .. |
| 16:53.37 | zeeek | that's what happens when you read google and follow instructions |
| 16:54.25 | Sashi | no downloads for 3.1r4? |
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| 16:54.43 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, "some modules" ?? |
| 16:54.52 | abrotman | Sashi: not yet |
| 16:55.17 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: depends on the cpu-type. P4M needs other stuff then PM or C2D ... |
| 16:55.17 | Sashi | btw |
| 16:55.21 | Sashi | for the iso-dvd |
| 16:55.23 | Sashi | why is there two? |
| 16:55.24 | tralala | any changes in the Dec, 6th deadline? |
| 16:55.32 | abrotman | Sashi: it didn't fit on one |
| 16:55.34 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 16:55.34 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 16:55.44 | abrotman | oh .. there's probably been an update since then |
| 16:56.06 | xingu | dc2448: do you get a different result if you export and mount /mnt/hda rather than the subdirectory? |
| 16:56.09 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, I thought that the ability to speedstep the CPU and suspend the laptop needed secret hidden codes that mr Intel had only given to mr Gates |
| 16:56.10 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00000.html |
| 16:56.26 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, I know I can ssupend this laptop anyway |
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| 16:56.34 | xingu | dc2448: this would steer us down the path of looking at whether it were nfs3 or nfs4, and how this was interacting with fsid= |
| 16:56.44 | dasdajs | hi, this is maybe a little offtopic, but is it possible to have counterstrike server files in a folder, and all the config files and so on, in different location? |
| 16:56.47 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: nope. Intel and AMD published the full specs a long time ago ... |
| 16:56.49 | JohnRobert | does anyone know how I can use wget to get all the linked files on a web page? |
| 16:56.57 | zeeek | tralala basically the dhclient says "Listening on BLAHBLAH_ath0 |
| 16:57.02 | JohnRobert | I'm not too sure what option I'm looking for in the man page |
| 16:57.12 | zeeek | and then DHCP discover times out after several tries |
| 16:57.13 | cast | JohnRobert: whats the site? |
| 16:57.23 | JohnRobert | cast: http://grahammarch.com/songs.html |
| 16:57.27 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, oh, so we are just waiting for the kernel to become capable then? |
| 16:57.30 | zeeek | it's like I'm missing one step |
| 16:57.34 | abrotman | jonas22: man wget |
| 16:57.36 | cast | JohnRobert: might be easy to just use lynx, awk, wget and xargs, ill look |
| 16:57.37 | tralala | zeeek, does iwconfig show that you're connected to the AP? |
| 16:57.41 | JohnRobert | (they're all legal btw) |
| 16:58.00 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: the 2.6.8 can handle PM and CD nicely, C2D was added around 2.6.14... |
| 16:58.18 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: (i´m not up-to-date on AMDs) |
| 16:58.21 | zeeek | this is funny, iwlist ath0 scanning shows all the neighbors boxes (and mine) |
| 16:58.43 | zeeek | so it is working just can't get DHCP |
| 16:58.49 | zeeek | unless... wait a sec |
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| 16:59.13 | CharminTheMoose | what happens if i install the same version of grub over grub? |
| 16:59.13 | cast | JohnRobert: lynx -dump http://grahammarch.com/songs.html|grep http://www.grahammarch.com/mp3/music/songs|awk '{print $2}'|sort|uniq|xargs wget |
| 16:59.21 | CharminTheMoose | does it spew an error? |
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| 16:59.47 | the_lord | pumpkin0: and if it? not working? what should I do? |
| 16:59.48 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, what command is it to suspend it then from the command line, its 2.6.16-2 here so should work |
| 17:00.00 | cast | JohnRobert: eh...yeah, wget no doubt has an option for it...but using pipes is easier for me then learning how to use wget properly :) |
| 17:00.02 | bokey | pumpkin0# I've got couple of jpg, bmp files to convert to avi. how do i do it ? |
| 17:00.05 | tralala | abrotman, looks like Dec is still on the table |
| 17:00.18 | abrotman | tralala: it's still a possibility .. albeit slim IMO |
| 17:00.42 | bokey | tralala# hello =) |
| 17:00.42 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: "echo -n 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep" for suspend-to-ram on acpi-systems ... |
| 17:00.42 | JohnRobert | cheers cast |
| 17:00.42 | Sashi | how long would i have to wait until i get my system up and running if im using netinsit? |
| 17:00.42 | robin_sz | as root? |
| 17:01.01 | Ronin | Sashi: depends on your connection, what you picked to install etc |
| 17:01.08 | tralala | abrotman, I just hope it gets released before vista :) |
| 17:01.18 | Sashi | im on 5mbps = around 600kbps |
| 17:01.18 | pumpkin0 | the_lord: find out which modules are needed (depends on the CPU-type) and try to load them. If these are loaded: check the setting in /sys/devices/system/cpu ... |
| 17:01.20 | bokey | abrotman# I've got couple of jpg, bmp files to convert to avi. how do i do it ? |
| 17:01.29 | abrotman | tralala: who cares *when* it gets released .. i want a release that works |
| 17:01.33 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: of course. save EVERYTHING first. |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | bokey: convert ? |
| 17:01.36 | bokey | abrotman# and hello =) |
| 17:01.39 | robin_sz | hmmm .. no /proc/acpi/sleep .. but lots of other /proc/acpi/* files |
| 17:01.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 17:01.46 | tralala | sure, I was just kidding |
| 17:01.50 | bokey | abrotman# meaning encode. |
| 17:01.52 | cast | JohnRobert: oh. my bad. i dont think xargs wget is going to like all those funny chars in the names [like ] |
| 17:02.02 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: bad ACPI-BIOS ? |
| 17:02.15 | abrotman | bokey: oh .. dunno . mencode maybe? not sure .. i don't do that kind of stuff .. try apt-cache search |
| 17:02.47 | bokey | abrotman# ok. thanks |
| 17:02.48 | tralala | zeeek, if your card doesn't associate with the AP no version of dhclient will do any good |
| 17:02.50 | pumpkin0 | bokey: man mencoder => examples. |
| 17:03.04 | bokey | pumpkin0# thanks heaps. =) yes. I'll read up now. |
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| 17:03.14 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, nah, it works fine under 'Doze |
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| 17:03.21 | JohnRobert | cast: any ideas? |
| 17:03.45 | cast | JohnRobert: sure, umm |
| 17:03.47 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: doze does not respect th ACPI-standards ... which CPU is it ? |
| 17:03.59 | robin_sz | PIII coppermine |
| 17:04.00 | EmleyMoor | What is a kernel-kbuild package and do I need one to match my custom kernel? |
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| 17:04.21 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: that is not a laptop, isn´t it ? |
| 17:04.27 | robin_sz | it is |
| 17:04.42 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: did you already load the speedstep-modules ? |
| 17:05.06 | robin_sz | nope, didnt understand the asner as to what modules to load |
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| 17:05.23 | MrSpiffy | hello |
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| 17:05.57 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: wait a sec, i have to look up the names .. |
| 17:06.04 | MrSpiffy | I have a dpkg question - when installing a package is it possible to get the package version from a variable in the postinst script ? |
| 17:06.31 | robin_sz | laptop:/home/robin# modprobe PM |
| 17:06.32 | robin_sz | FATAL: Module PM not found. |
| 17:06.42 | JohnRobert | for i in `lynx -dump http://www.grahammarch.com/songs.html | awk '{print $2}' | xargs`; do echo $i; done cast , this'll do it |
| 17:06.45 | JohnRobert | :p |
| 17:07.13 | enouf | robin_sz: likely speedstep_centrino .. maybe not .. what's the make / model of the laptop |
| 17:07.25 | robin_sz | dell inspiron |
| 17:07.27 | robin_sz | 8000 |
| 17:07.28 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: sudo modprobe speedstep-lib relaxed_check=1; sudo modprobe speedstep-smi |
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| 17:07.38 | tralala | and what's the for loop supposed to achieve? |
| 17:07.45 | xingu | JohnDoh: nb wget -r descends within the document |
| 17:07.48 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the PIII was made before centrion came around. |
| 17:07.53 | xingu | s/Doh/Robert/ |
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| 17:08.02 | enouf | !tell robin_sz about laptop |
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| 17:08.03 | xingu | JohnRobert: -r descends, -l controls radius |
| 17:08.08 | enouf | pumpkin0: right .. ok |
| 17:08.13 | solemnwarning | lindenle|shift: How do I view my TV card's composite1 input in freevo? |
| 17:08.24 | robin_sz | speedstep-lob went in OK |
| 17:08.29 | cast | JohnRobert: well, what will work is if you dump that in a file and use wgets 'get urls from a file' option |
| 17:08.34 | robin_sz | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_smi (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-smi.ko): No such device |
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| 17:08.59 | enouf | robin_sz: lsmod | grep processor |
| 17:09.08 | lindenle|shift | lindenle|shift: i think it is somewhere in the configuration options but i really don't remember |
| 17:09.29 | cast | JohnRobert: but what i want to work out is how to wrap it in quotes...oh, i see a way. i think there should be an awk way though :\ |
| 17:09.50 | MrSpiffy | I have a dpkg question - when installing a package is it possible to get the package version from a variable in the postinst script ? |
| 17:09.53 | enouf | robin_sz: lsmod | grep fan too .. modprobe any that don;t show |
| 17:10.13 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: "tail /var/log/syslog" => post |
| 17:11.17 | cast | JohnRobert: lynx -dump http://www.grahammarch.com/songs.html | awk '{print $2}' > targets; wget -i targets is certainly one way |
| 17:11.25 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: and http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_SpeedStep_working_on_Coppermine-piix4-smi_based_ThinkPads#How_to_get_it_work . I´m back in 2-3 hours, good luck |
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| 17:13.08 | keinek | hi |
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| 17:13.19 | cast | JohnRobert: eh. shit. i was using your code...i ment to say lynx -dump http://grahammarch.com/songs.html|grep http://www.grahammarch.com/mp3/music/songs|awk '{print $2}'|sort|uniq > targets; wget -i targets |
| 17:13.31 | cast | i'm going to be quiet now. i'm talking to much shit.. |
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| 17:14.19 | luisbg | anybody knows a good free file hosting site? using rapid share to share some rars and it's giving load of problems |
| 17:14.47 | krazykit | luisbg: megaupload, yousendit |
| 17:15.14 | xingu | dc2448: ok gotta go elsewhere; have just reconfirmed that unstable nfs-kernel-server works as expected as a server vs sol10 as an nfs3 client |
| 17:15.57 | xingu | dc2448: not sure what's going on in your setup; perhaps post-upgrade nfs4 is being used without being fully configured |
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| 17:16.48 | riot | hi. |
| 17:16.50 | xingu | dc2448: I don't have 2x linux boxes to test interop with, but linux server sol client works with export of subdir, root squash, and rw for ordinary uid on remote |
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| 17:20.00 | luisbg | krazykit, thanks, going to try megaupload |
| 17:21.25 | yang | Which package is crucial for Genious videocam installation? |
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| 17:25.07 | _ericb | hi all |
| 17:26.08 | _ericb | I'm looking for a media player that is elegant, features a media librairy management like rhythmbox and has command line interface... well in a nutshell I'm looking for something like rhythmbox but more elegant |
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| 17:26.50 | zeeek | I can feel that I am at the brink of the Internet revolution. But ath0 is just not getting an ip from the router |
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| 17:27.52 | EmleyMoor | How do I make a kernel package against which I can compile external modules using module-assistant? |
| 17:27.53 | yang | zeeek: do you have cable modem? |
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| 17:28.14 | zeeek | no DSL and I'm on wifi on this box |
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| 17:28.25 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: any kernel made with make-kpkg features that |
| 17:28.43 | zeeek | the router is working, the ath0 sees it (and everyone else's) |
| 17:28.46 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: So why won't mine work? |
| 17:28.56 | yang | zeeek: Router should somehow delegate you an IP, either by DCHP or manual |
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| 17:28.59 | zeeek | all the params look right in in ath0 |
| 17:29.01 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: how should i know that? |
| 17:29.05 | Sirius_Black | guys - can someone remind me how to install nvidia drivers on unstable |
| 17:29.22 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:29.22 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 17:29.34 | zeeek | DHCPDISCOVER just tries and tries |
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| 17:30.00 | ofer1 | zeeek, are you connection to the ethernet ? |
| 17:30.06 | zeeek | yes |
| 17:30.14 | tralala | zeeek, when you run iwconfig ath0 do you see the mac address of the AP? |
| 17:30.14 | zeeek | but I've tried bringing it dow |
| 17:30.17 | ofer1 | zeeek, what a lame sentence. but you understood me. |
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| 17:30.34 | zeeek | yeah I did and yeah I see my AP and many others |
| 17:31.00 | smacnay | anyone know why a hardware router would not and the correct ip address to a lan computer? The address handed is a 169.xxx.xxx.xxx address as opposed to one of the 192.168.0.100-200 addresses? |
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| 17:31.33 | zeeek | I'm one millimeter away from nirvana here |
| 17:31.43 | zeeek | (and divorce as well) |
| 17:31.51 | valdyn | smacnay: this does not look like a dhcp served address but zeroconf |
| 17:32.04 | valdyn | smacnay: you probably dont want to have zeroconf running |
| 17:32.05 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, i've got a sarge box which i access via SSH. I can ssh to it no problem, I can use SFTP no problem from my mac / linux boxes. I just can't get anywhere with any clients on Windows (using an existing key or a new key). I'm having trouble diagnosing the problem, is there a way to turn up logging on ssh requests so I can try and work out what's going wrong. I'm seeing nothing in auth.log at the moment other than successful or rejected requests |
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| 17:32.10 | tralala | zeeek, assign an IP manually and try to ping something |
| 17:32.31 | zeeek | should I bring down eth0 first? |
| 17:33.00 | tralala | zeeek, no |
| 17:33.00 | andrewtaylor_ | smacnay - 169. is a bogus address for when DHCP client is not receiving a proper address. Are you sure it's plugged in :) |
| 17:33.18 | zeeek | wait a sec, I see Access Point: FF:FF etc |
| 17:33.35 | tralala | zeeek, so it doesn't associate |
| 17:33.40 | EmleyMoor | All I get is Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 549. (<complist> line 71 if I point it to m |
| 17:33.51 | EmleyMoor | my unpacked kernel-headers package |
| 17:34.11 | tralala | zeeek, here's what you should see when you run iwconfig: "Access Point: 00:11:6B:60:4E:F0" |
| 17:34.48 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: why are you pointing it somewhere at all? |
| 17:35.03 | xingu | tralala: I'm surprised it brings up the link layer and allows dhclient to broadcast if it's not associated |
| 17:35.15 | xingu | tralala: that sounds like one spectacularly broken driver if so. :) |
| 17:35.18 | EmleyMoor | Because if I don't, it fails when I try the actual build, with: |
| 17:35.18 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: headers are found regularily via /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 17:35.31 | tralala | xingu, it always does for me, even when not associated |
| 17:35.39 | xingu | really? :) |
| 17:35.45 | zeeek | can I force the routers MAC ? |
| 17:35.49 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: removing the source tree beneath a running kernel is probably stupid |
| 17:35.54 | zeeek | is is seen in the scan |
| 17:36.00 | EmleyMoor | Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 17:36.08 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: And I have NOT done so |
| 17:36.11 | tralala | zeeek, did you configure the essid? |
| 17:36.24 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: verify that that link is ok |
| 17:36.32 | zeeek | ya |
| 17:36.32 | EmleyMoor | It's not a link |
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| 17:36.45 | tralala | xingu, yes. Actually the dhclient cannot tell if it's associated or not so it just runs |
| 17:36.51 | zeeek | I did config the essid |
| 17:36.54 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: what is it then? |
| 17:36.59 | tralala | zeeek, do you use wep? |
| 17:37.03 | enouf | smacnay: uninstall zeroconf |
| 17:37.12 | EmleyMoor | Ah, that link - yes, it is correct |
| 17:37.23 | xingu | tralala: the hostap and ipw3945 drivers don't go oper-up until the ap-association is complete if you're using managed mode |
| 17:37.32 | solemnwarning | Are there any programs to record input from the composite1 input on a bttv card that don't need a week of configuring to work? |
| 17:37.43 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: source link there should point the same way |
| 17:37.48 | zeeek | tralala no only a MAC filter |
| 17:37.58 | zeeek | and yes, the laptop is in that :) |
| 17:38.02 | EmleyMoor | source link there - explain please |
| 17:38.13 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: a symlink named 'source' |
| 17:38.24 | tralala | xingu, hmm. I have three different chipsets here and no driver has ever done this so far. They all put the link up and _then_ try to associate |
| 17:38.26 | EmleyMoor | A symlink in where? |
| 17:38.36 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: same place as the other |
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| 17:38.51 | tralala | zeeek, okay, try to disable the mac filter just for the test |
| 17:38.59 | EmleyMoor | There are so many places you could mean by "other" |
| 17:39.11 | jair | guys, I went to the mirrors site to prepare the flash drive key, and I follow all the directions correctly but when I boot I get an "boot error" message and as it say on the document try to install the mbr I did and then I try to boot again and I get "MBR F423:" nothing else. |
| 17:39.14 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: where you found the 'build' symlink |
| 17:39.30 | jair | I have a 512MB usb key |
| 17:39.43 | zeeek | tralala did it hours ago |
| 17:39.50 | EmleyMoor | Yes, that is correct too |
| 17:40.11 | EmleyMoor | Everything is correct but it fails as I indicated |
| 17:40.22 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: uname -r |
| 17:40.33 | tralala | zeeek, so the mac filtering is off now? |
| 17:40.46 | zeeek | tralala yup |
| 17:40.48 | EmleyMoor | That gives the output I expect |
| 17:40.55 | zeeek | well, it was |
| 17:41.03 | zeeek | I put it back as this is a busy city |
| 17:41.04 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: I want to see it though |
| 17:41.11 | tralala | zeeek, do you see the _correct_ essid in iwconfig? |
| 17:41.16 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.18.2-firthpark.1.0 |
| 17:41.24 | zeeek | yes I see the correct essid |
| 17:41.52 | zeeek | hey, maybe I should try someone else's router? |
| 17:41.59 | zeeek | I can see about 10 of them |
| 17:41.59 | tralala | zeeek, if you think you can configure it on your own without turing the mac filtering, then go on. Otherwise you better turn it off now so it won't stand in the way. |
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| 17:42.53 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: ok, all m-a does is by default look at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ to find headers, if the kernel tree there isnt configured properly ( as it is after a compilation for instance ), it wont work |
| 17:42.58 | zskdan | hi all !!! |
| 17:43.11 | tralala | !!!! |
| 17:43.12 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 17:43.13 | zeeek | tralala all I can say is, the same laptop has always worked with the same router using the filter. However, NOW it is having problems. Each of the pages I've read has slightly different command sequences |
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| 17:43.23 | ma3x | is there firefox 2 for debian? |
| 17:43.30 | EmleyMoor | Well, it IS configured properly and it still doesn't work |
| 17:43.48 | zeeek | FF2 for debian, ya |
| 17:43.50 | zskdan | can anyone help to get dhcp3-server and ifupdown get runing at boot tile ?? |
| 17:44.00 | tralala | zeeek, what do you mean "has always worked"? You just had your wireless started! |
| 17:44.05 | zskdan | can anyone help to get dhcp3-server and ifupdown get runing at boot time ?? |
| 17:44.14 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: maybe sarge's m-a cant deal with recent kernels, thats possible |
| 17:44.21 | zeeek | hey now it shows the AP MAC!!! |
| 17:44.22 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: if you are even using sarge |
| 17:44.22 | EmleyMoor | It's a backport |
| 17:44.41 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: guess it would work then |
| 17:44.49 | tralala | zeeek, _now_ run dhclient |
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| 17:45.00 | zeeek | shit it just started working now and I don't know why |
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| 17:45.06 | EmleyMoor | Yes, but it doesn't and I cannot see why |
| 17:45.19 | zeeek | yeah I did as soon as I saw the MAC and now it looks to be working |
| 17:45.20 | ma3x | is there firefox 2 as a package for debian? |
| 17:45.39 | smacnay | enouf: hmm, never heard of that... let me see if I have it installed. |
| 17:45.50 | zskdan | ma3x : no |
| 17:45.54 | zeeek | max3 yes there is |
| 17:46.00 | zeeek | oh |
| 17:46.06 | zeeek | I'm an expert on debian |
| 17:46.09 | tralala | zeeek, apparently it works. Configure your interfaces and your router properly and you should be fine. |
| 17:46.16 | ma3x | zeeek: where? |
| 17:46.16 | zskdan | i think they change the name |
| 17:46.19 | zeeek | how very weird |
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| 17:46.26 | zeeek | anyway, thx again for all the fish |
| 17:46.29 | smhar | any new light in the tannel for nvidia users with debian etch |
| 17:46.29 | ma3x | what's the name? |
| 17:46.35 | enouf | smacnay: see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf too |
| 17:47.17 | smacnay | enouf: thanks - it was installed but probably by some default - I removed it. |
| 17:47.27 | enouf | smacnay: excellent :-) |
| 17:47.49 | abrotman | ma3x: NO |
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| 17:48.05 | ma3x | abrotman: what no? |
| 17:48.07 | abrotman | whoops |
| 17:48.12 | abrotman | no package |
| 17:48.20 | ma3x | but why? |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 17:48.28 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 17:48.34 | zeeek | what's funny is that my router isn't showing the ath0 ip in the lease table but it works |
| 17:48.36 | ma3x | abrotman: so is there iceweasel package? |
| 17:48.45 | abrotman | no |
| 17:48.47 | zskdan | debain has changed the name of firefox to iceweasel |
| 17:48.58 | tralala | zeeek, are you sure you're connected to your router? |
| 17:49.00 | abrotman | zskdan: not quite |
| 17:49.03 | ma3x | so how can I install iceweasel? |
| 17:49.11 | zeeek | heh, yes by the MAC and essid |
| 17:49.12 | ma3x | and is iceweasel firefox 2? |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | from source ? |
| 17:49.18 | abrotman | no |
| 17:49.25 | ma3x | so what's firefox 2? |
| 17:49.33 | ma3x | look |
| 17:49.34 | abrotman | the package from getfirefox.com |
| 17:49.34 | ma3x | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ |
| 17:49.38 | tralala | zeeek, it sounds like your rounter is misconfigured |
| 17:49.50 | ma3x | so what's the difference between firefox 2 and iceweasel? |
| 17:50.02 | abrotman | ma3x: iceweasel doesn't contain the non-free parts of fireox |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | firefox |
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| 17:50.26 | abrotman | ma3x: read |
| 17:50.32 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about iceweasel |
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| 17:50.55 | xingu | abrotman: I was going to say, this is tripping my troll-o-meter |
| 17:51.09 | solemnwarning | Are there any SIMPLE programs for recording audio+video from the composite1 input on my bttv TV card? |
| 17:51.19 | abrotman | xingu: no .. it's a regular occurance with ma3x |
| 17:51.27 | zskdan | can anyone help to get dhcp3-server and ifupdown get runing at boot time ?? |
| 17:51.29 | solemnwarning | Like tvtime except with recording support |
| 17:51.31 | abrotman | solars: mythrv ? |
| 17:51.39 | abrotman | solemnwarning: also ask ##linux |
| 17:51.39 | solemnwarning | not simple |
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| 17:51.47 | abrotman | solemnwarning: stop being lazy |
| 17:51.47 | solemnwarning | No answer in ##Linux |
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| 17:51.54 | ma3x | abrotman: I don't understand. If it's being renamed to iceweasel, then why is there no package named iceweasel? |
| 17:51.54 | valdyn | zskdan: that is the default when the packages are installed |
| 17:52.00 | abrotman | ma3x: not done yet? |
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| 17:52.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | hi |
| 17:52.28 | zskdan | valdyn: i rebooted my machine but no luck |
| 17:52.39 | solemnwarning | I can't get mythtv or freevo to work, is there anything that just works? |
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| 17:52.55 | abrotman | !info icedove sid |
| 17:52.56 | xingu | zskdan: the two goals would appear to be dipoles; dynamic, role-based network layer config, and a dhcp server? smells fragile. |
| 17:53.01 | dpkg | icedove: (free/unbranded thunderbird mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 10517 kB, Installed size: 30936 kB |
| 17:53.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i've heard both of those work quite well |
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| 17:53.08 | jair | anyone here have had good luck preparing the ubs key to boot etc? |
| 17:53.23 | morae | i have installed debian from this link: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable and i can use ONLY console and i want to log on Desktop, please help me |
| 17:53.27 | lindenle|shift | away |
| 17:53.30 | solemnwarning | freevo just keeps saying "recordserver is down" |
| 17:53.31 | lindenle|shift | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.37 | solemnwarning | Even if it's running |
| 17:53.46 | Feax | http://feax.ath.cx/phpsysinfo/ -> Why I have SWAP ? |
| 17:53.49 | jair | I am trying to create the usb key to boot "etch" and I am trying and trying but I am not sure if I am missing a file on the usb key. |
| 17:53.49 | tralala | jair, are you sure your problem is not comming from the bios? |
| 17:53.52 | abrotman | solemnwarning: so fix it |
| 17:53.53 | ma3x | abrotman: I dont understand again |
| 17:54.01 | jair | tralala: nope |
| 17:54.03 | abrotman | ma3x: then go read the pages again |
| 17:54.03 | solemnwarning | I can't get it to work and #Freevo is dead |
| 17:54.13 | xingu | zskdan: in any case, just start it with a etc/network/if-post-up.d/ script |
| 17:54.26 | abrotman | solemnwarning: freevo isn't in debian |
| 17:54.28 | tralala | jair, does your bios support usb booting? Did you configure it to boot off the usb? |
| 17:54.32 | jair | tralala: I checked the bios, and is perfect I have the USB drive selected to boot first |
| 17:54.32 | ma3x | abrotman: I got sid (contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 17:54.38 | abrotman | ma3x: so what? |
| 17:54.41 | jair | yes |
| 17:54.42 | lindenle|shift | back |
| 17:54.42 | lindenle|shift | show |
| 17:54.51 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: stop doing that crap |
| 17:54.57 | morae | i have installed debian from this link: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable and i can use ONLY console and i want to log on Desktop, also i installed x-window-system-core and gnome-desktop-environment and is same issue, please help me ;-( |
| 17:54.58 | solemnwarning | lindenle|shift: Did you ever get freevo to work with composite input? |
| 17:54.59 | ma3x | abrotman: so there is firefox as a package, but not iceweasel |
| 17:55.00 | lindenle|shift | abrotman: sorry |
| 17:55.06 | solemnwarning | Or any input for that matter? |
| 17:55.08 | jair | I think I am missing a file, but to be sure I need someone that already tried and successfully boot it. |
| 17:55.09 | abrotman | ma3x: right |
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| 17:55.22 | lindenle|shift | solemnwarning: I only ever used it with a tuner |
| 17:55.28 | zskdan | xingu : root@Server:[~]# ls /etc/network/if-post-up.d |
| 17:55.29 | zskdan | ls: /etc/network/if-post-up.d: No such file or directory |
| 17:55.52 | xingu | zskdan: aah, if-up.d |
| 17:55.53 | lindenle|shift | abrotman: i am playing with znc and did not know it was coming through |
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| 17:56.10 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: it is :) |
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| 17:56.36 | morae | can someone give me exactly a link where can i download debian not the last version, im using intel... please ? |
| 17:56.44 | ma3x | abrotman: is iceweasel a package or just a damn name? |
| 17:56.47 | Zap-W | what is lOFS |
| 17:57.12 | cahoot | i och för sig |
| 17:57.13 | abrotman | ma3x: did you read ANYTHING? |
| 17:57.14 | blondie | ma3x: www.debian.org |
| 17:57.23 | blondie | erm |
| 17:57.26 | blondie | morae: www.debian.org |
| 17:57.28 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 17:57.28 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | ma3x: read ALL of those links .. then ask questions |
| 17:57.42 | tralala | jair, there are (at least) two ways of booting off usb - usb zip and usb hdd. Did you try them all? |
| 17:57.54 | tralala | (these are bios settings) |
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| 17:58.50 | morae | i have installed debian from this link: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable and i can use ONLY console and i want to log on Desktop, also i installed x-window-system-core and gnome-desktop-environment and is same issue, please help me |
| 17:58.51 | morae | please |
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| 17:59.11 | tralala | morae, install gdm |
| 17:59.21 | solemnwarning | And x-window-system |
| 17:59.25 | abrotman | he did |
| 17:59.32 | jair | tralala: i will try the second one actually. :) I tried the first one usb zip I will try the other one actually |
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| 17:59.40 | morae | tralala: i installed x-window-system-core |
| 17:59.41 | solemnwarning | He said x-window-system-cre |
| 17:59.47 | abrotman | so what? |
| 17:59.49 | lindenle|shift | /quer *away |
| 17:59.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, i have this question: im in an network with x64 windows pc's, x32 windows pc's and linux clients, now i want to share an printer (laserjet, lpt port) on an linux server, but what would be the best methode, should i use the samba stuff or are there other methodes? |
| 17:59.52 | abrotman | he doens't need the full one |
| 17:59.53 | ma3x | abrotman: so there is no release of iceweasel for sid, it's just in testing, right? |
| 17:59.56 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 17:59.56 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: come on .. |
| 18:00.00 | abrotman | ma3x: NO |
| 18:00.12 | tralala | morae, I don't think gdm is in x-window-system-core |
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| 18:00.19 | jair | tralala: i will keep you posted, i found a site that also explain how to get it done in sarge, but all i will do is change the iso to the netinst of etch. |
| 18:00.30 | morae | tralala: and how can i install gdm ? i am new to linux |
| 18:00.41 | tralala | morae, apt-get install gdm |
| 18:00.47 | itchi | Is there not an missing depedenncy somelse for that 'pydoc' it need python-tkinter installed. |
| 18:00.57 | ma3x | abrotman: so how can i install iceweasel? where do I get it as package? |
| 18:01.02 | abrotman | you can't |
| 18:01.09 | ma3x | why not? |
| 18:01.11 | solemnwarning | XD |
| 18:01.13 | abrotman | you can get it from gnu.org if you want |
| 18:01.16 | cahoot | DJ-Marcuzz: modern windows should be able to use cups directly |
| 18:01.23 | morae | tralala: ok i will try, thanks, i'll be back when i finish. |
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| 18:01.24 | ma3x | abrotman: as a package? |
| 18:01.28 | abrotman | ma3x: as i told you before . it's not done yet |
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| 18:01.34 | abrotman | ma3x: no .. as source |
| 18:01.43 | tralala | morae, good luck |
| 18:01.52 | abrotman | ma3x: i really wouldn't worry about it . it's just a browser |
| 18:01.53 | ma3x | abrotman: and what about the version 2.0, will it also be called iceweasel, or firefox again? |
| 18:01.53 | morae | tralala: thank you |
| 18:01.59 | abrotman | ma3x: iceweasel |
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| 18:02.54 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
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| 18:03.03 | ma3x | okay thanks |
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| 18:03.16 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 18:04.38 | jair | tralala: nope :( |
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| 18:04.51 | jair | tralala: ok i will follow the other how to be back |
| 18:04.56 | itchi | I have installed python-tk and it is solved. Just wondering why python-tk was not installed when 'pydoc' need that |
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| 18:05.37 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 18:07.41 | epsilon | does sarge run with 2.6.18.* kernel, or is there any limitation? |
| 18:08.05 | tralala | epsilon, sarge runs 2.6.8 |
| 18:08.31 | tralala | you can get it to run later unofficial kernels if you need to |
| 18:08.53 | epsilon | no I mean with current vanila kernel |
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| 18:09.36 | tralala | epsilon, you could use a vanila kernel but it's neither recommended nor supported |
| 18:09.40 | quitte | epsilon that doesn't work without updating at least udev or not using udev at all |
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| 18:10.07 | SmallR2002 | hullo guys |
| 18:10.57 | ofer1 | Hey, I want that "host localhost" will tell me 127.0.0.3. Can anybody help me configuring BIND9 for that answer? |
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| 18:12.02 | SmallR2002 | i was just wondering if anyone could give me any ideas for setting up a way that i can *seamlessly* switch between wired/wireless networks; in other words, pull the cable and have all my connections routed through the wireless instead, or *die* if nothing was available |
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| 18:12.30 | SmallR2002 | basically because i don't want to loose all my connections each time i pull plug |
| 18:12.41 | quitte | SmallR2002: look at the ifplugd package |
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| 18:13.02 | SmallR2002 | mmmn, used that for a few years now, not sure that'll do exactly what i want |
| 18:13.24 | quitte | SmallR2002: you want to somehow have the same ip on wireless ant wired |
| 18:13.54 | SmallR2002 | what i want really i guess is a tunnel which can exist from multiple interfaces/networks at the same time, and simply picks the *best* route |
| 18:14.31 | quitte | SmallR2002: are wired and wireless on the same network? then you could make the two interfaces a bridge |
| 18:14.44 | SmallR2002 | at the moment they are |
| 18:15.03 | SmallR2002 | wired behind two more routers though |
| 18:15.32 | SmallR2002 | and wouldn't i loose a constant tcp connection if i pulled plug and switched to wireless? |
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| 18:16.00 | quitte | SmallR2002: i think that it should work with bridging. but i havent tried |
| 18:16.26 | SmallR2002 | mmmn, i've never tried bridging either, always built it into the kernel with this idea that one day i would use it :P |
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| 18:16.42 | enouf | robin_sz still there? |
| 18:16.54 | smhar | when I upgraded my sarge to etch, I was told that some packages for the nvidia driver are removed from etch. is this still the case? |
| 18:16.54 | Onder | sx |
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| 18:17.52 | SmallR2002 | what would be nice is to have it so when i get a phone with *real* internet access i can switch from [phone|wireless|wired] to [phone|wireless|wired] at the drop of a hat |
| 18:18.46 | SmallR2002 | yes, i know that's expecting technology to do what i want not what it's designed for |
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| 18:19.17 | quitte | SmallR2002: in that case you wouldnt have all nics on thje same subnet. you definately need some tunneling for that. or maybe ipv6 can handle that |
| 18:19.45 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
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| 18:20.04 | SmallR2002 | can you have a tunnel which has multiple routes? and chooses whichever one exists/is best? |
| 18:20.23 | morae | it doesn't work, it says that my configuration is not supported.. graphical or something.. |
| 18:20.26 | solemnwarning | Why does xawtv create unplayable AVI files? |
| 18:21.01 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good frame-level video editing program in Debian? |
| 18:21.03 | abrotman | you did it wrong ? |
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| 18:21.12 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: cinerella or kino maybe ? |
| 18:21.22 | solemnwarning | There's just a box to enter paths and hit record, not much to do wrong |
| 18:21.33 | SmallR2002 | EmleyMoor, i can recommend kino, if you have enough processing power |
| 18:21.36 | solemnwarning | Nothing will play the AVI files created by xawtv, not even xawtv |
| 18:21.42 | keram | how do i mark a package so its not removed? |
| 18:21.52 | keram | aptitude is trying to remove my current kernel lol |
| 18:22.01 | EmleyMoor | Plenty processing power - would that be OK for editing stuff before putting it on DVD? |
| 18:22.29 | SmallR2002 | should be |
| 18:22.31 | morae | can someone give me exactly a link where can i download debian ? not the last version.. |
| 18:22.40 | zskdan | xingu: yet no luck to get ifup start after a reboot |
| 18:22.45 | SmallR2002 | morae, www.debian.org and pick what you want/need |
| 18:22.58 | xam | keram: put it on 'hold' ... it's usually '=' on dselect/aptitude ... or use 'echo "<package> hold" | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 18:23.03 | EmleyMoor | Still really want to know how I can compile zaptel against kernel 2.6.18.2 - but can live without that |
| 18:23.25 | keram | thanks :] |
| 18:23.59 | morae | i have installed but i can use ONLY console and i don't want, i want to use desktop, i installed x-window-system-core, gnome-desktop-environment and also GDM |
| 18:24.03 | morae | it doesn't work |
| 18:24.18 | zskdan | can anyone help to get dhcp3-server and ifupdown get runing at boot time from the RCs scripts ?? |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | zskdan: it should do that when you install it |
| 18:24.43 | morae | when i run it it says that it can't log on desktop because my configuration is not supporterd or something. |
| 18:25.05 | morae | SmallR2002: do you have any ideas about my situation, please ? |
| 18:25.29 | Firestarter | SmallR2002: I just created a small script that will let me select what network interface I want to use |
| 18:25.46 | quitte | morae www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer try the beta of etch graaphical installer |
| 18:25.59 | zskdan | abrotman : i do a reinstalation , after that a reboot a machine but no ip is assigned to my interfaces |
| 18:26.29 | abrotman | zskdan: to which interface? the dhcp-server won't assign it to the NIC in the server |
| 18:26.44 | SmallR2002 | morae, not sure, i think it's something where i'd want to be there with the machine |
| 18:26.56 | morae | i am wasting my time to install debian 4 hours, every time when i don't know i log out and log in with my ubuntu's friend live cd to talk with someone. |
| 18:26.59 | SmallR2002 | Firestarter, i don't want to loose any of my connections |
| 18:27.06 | keram | xam, its still trying to remove it |
| 18:27.11 | morae | quitte: ok |
| 18:27.15 | keram | even after i do it with dpkg |
| 18:27.41 | xam | keram: did you try to use '=' as well? |
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| 18:28.50 | quitte | morae the netinst cd is ok for that. just look at the help screens when booting it |
| 18:29.01 | Firestarter | SmallR2002: you just want to switch between wireless and wire networking? |
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| 18:29.13 | morae | quitte: i am using intel so i hit the full cd/dvd - cd and i386 ? |
| 18:29.19 | zskdan | abrotman : no, i configured the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:29.29 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:29.29 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:29.31 | quitte | morae: take the netinst cd for i386 |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | let's see it |
| 18:29.39 | SmallR2002 | Firestarter, i want it to pick which interface to fire packets down, and i want it NOT to loose all my connections when i switch from one to another |
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| 18:29.49 | morae | quitte: i just installed that. |
| 18:30.01 | quitte | morae the etch beta? |
| 18:30.07 | morae | quitte: when i try to log in it log in automatically on console. |
| 18:30.17 | abrotman | the netinst part of the etch netinst is still broken iirc |
| 18:30.35 | zskdan | abrotman :but when i reboot no ip is assigned to my NICs |
| 18:30.40 | quitte | abrotman: tried the daily snapshotoday. it worked. no idea aout the beta,though |
| 18:30.42 | morae | what etch beta ? |
| 18:30.51 | abrotman | zskdan: are you going to show me the file or not ? |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | quitte: the beta3 is broken |
| 18:30.55 | Firestarter | SmallR2002: is there a specific reason why you don't wan't to loose the connection when you switch? |
| 18:31.11 | morae | and where can i find that ? i am too tired now, 4 hours wasted to install debian |
| 18:31.27 | quitte | morae: ok then pick the dailysapshotof the netinst cd at the url i gave you |
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| 18:31.54 | SmallR2002 | Firestarter, lots and lots of tcp connections which *mustn't* go down |
| 18:32.18 | flamesro1k | question: why do all the uber nerds have gpg keys and how do I get one? |
| 18:32.22 | flamesro1k | also.. what can I do with it? |
| 18:32.27 | quitte | more at the bootprompt press f3. that will give you some boot options. i think linuxgui is the right one. and do yourself a favour and pick the destop syste when the installer asks you what you want |
| 18:32.34 | quitte | morae: ^ |
| 18:32.40 | zskdan | abrotman: i will show u the file in prive ;) |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:32.50 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:33.07 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:33.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:33.20 | SmallR2002 | flamesro1k, you can give everyone it, and it means you can make things _definitely_ come from you |
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| 18:33.50 | flamesro1k | hmm interesting |
| 18:33.55 | abrotman | zskdan: please paste it at that site |
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| 18:34.10 | SmallR2002 | abrotman, i have a script which converts 'u' to 'you' and other common typing disabilities |
| 18:34.20 | abrotman | i don't have that problem :) |
| 18:34.38 | zskdan | ok !! |
| 18:34.38 | zskdan | # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) |
| 18:34.38 | zskdan | # The loopback interface |
| 18:34.38 | zskdan | # automatically added when upgrading |
| 18:34.38 | zskdan | auto lo |
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| 18:35.33 | morae | quitte: is there anything to download without console and that shit ? |
| 18:35.46 | quitte | morae links |
| 18:35.48 | morae | when someone installs debian all of them have to type those commands ? |
| 18:35.51 | abrotman | w3m |
| 18:36.10 | morae | or to login on console automatically ? |
| 18:36.14 | SmallR2002 | abrotman, you can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink eh? ;) |
| 18:36.14 | morae | i am confused |
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| 18:36.35 | abrotman | SmallR2002: something like that |
| 18:36.52 | quitte | morae: no. wth the graphical installer you can do all of the install with the mouse and you shouuuuld get a nice gui after the first boot if you told it you want a desktop system |
| 18:36.54 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: please go to #ubuntu |
| 18:37.29 | morae | quitte: and where can i get that ? |
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| 18:37.36 | morae | quitte: ... with graphical installer ? |
| 18:37.45 | DavidProck1981 | yo im on a live cd now because my internet just stoped, at first i thought my modem went out, but this live cd proves me wrong |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | zskdan: ready to use the paste site now ? :) |
| 18:37.50 | morae | quitte: can you give me exactly the link ? |
| 18:38.10 | morae | quitte: i will remove that old one and install a fresh one |
| 18:38.13 | quitte | morae: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer . scroll way down and pick the daily snapshot of netinst iso |
| 18:38.16 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman i have debian installed on the hard drive |
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| 18:38.35 | quitte | morae: then when you boot the cd read the help screens |
| 18:38.44 | DavidProck1981 | i need to know what the internet app is |
| 18:38.51 | DavidProck1981 | im on cable |
| 18:39.01 | azeem | DavidProck1981: what internet appß? |
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| 18:39.26 | DavidProck1981 | lie one u can choose to trun the connection on and off |
| 18:39.36 | DavidProck1981 | turn* |
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| 18:39.57 | Feax | can I use a USB headphone with Debian ? |
| 18:40.09 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: /etc/init.d/networking stop will ALL networks. |
| 18:40.11 | azeem | DavidProck1981: why do you need that, I thought you were on cable? |
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| 18:40.13 | SmallR2002 | if it's supported, yes Feax |
| 18:40.28 | morae | quitte: If you'd like something newer to help us test a future release of the installer, or because of hardware problems or other issues, try one of these daily built images which contain the latest available version of installer components. |
| 18:40.29 | morae | this one ? |
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| 18:40.31 | Blissex | Feax: you have to ask for permission from the Debian Project Leader. Send a request in triplicate :-) |
| 18:40.31 | DavidProck1981 | it just stoped working all of a suddon |
| 18:40.38 | EmleyMoor | Feax: Yes - I've got a rather nice Logitech |
| 18:40.40 | DavidProck1981 | i am on cable |
| 18:40.55 | azeem | DavidProck1981: why do you thinking turning it off and then on again will help? |
| 18:40.56 | morae | quitte: netins CD image and i386 ? |
| 18:41.07 | DavidProck1981 | i want to see if the connection is enable |
| 18:41.21 | Feax | SmallR2002: how can i know if it is supported ? |
| 18:41.25 | quitte | morae: beta3 is broken. and etch works really well now. better hardware support on newer systems and an easier installer |
| 18:41.37 | SmallR2002 | Feax, check driver listings, check google basically |
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| 18:41.38 | DavidProck1981 | i want to see if it is off for some reason or is another problem |
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| 18:41.40 | EmleyMoor | Feax: Ask around - people might know |
| 18:41.42 | the_lord | Hi! |
| 18:41.50 | quitte | morae: exactly. and daily snapshot. worked today for me. |
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| 18:42.09 | morae | quitte: weekly snapshot you mean :P |
| 18:42.15 | SmallR2002 | if you search 'company headset model linux driver' (replacing appropriately) you'll soon know if it is Feax |
| 18:42.25 | morae | ah yes |
| 18:42.27 | morae | daily |
| 18:42.31 | quitte | heh |
| 18:42.32 | morae | sorry, mai fault, i am tired |
| 18:42.33 | tralala | morae, do _not_ install etch |
| 18:42.38 | blerk | is there another way to remove old config files of packages no longeri nstalled than manualy finding/selecting them in aptitide ? |
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| 18:42.48 | the_lord | how do I change the default browser in gnome |
| 18:42.50 | the_lord | globaly |
| 18:42.57 | the_lord | *globally |
| 18:43.02 | tralala | morae, are you looking for a way to install packages without typing commands? |
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| 18:43.12 | azeem | the_lord: there' a couple of places to change |
| 18:43.15 | abrotman | blerk: man dpkg |
| 18:43.19 | quitte | tralala: he wants aagui in the first place |
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| 18:43.40 | morae | tralala: without console, i hate that |
| 18:43.41 | the_lord | I've changed in preffered apps but for an example, xchat still opens epiphany if I click a link |
| 18:43.50 | the_lord | azeem: where are those places? |
| 18:43.58 | azeem | the_lord: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 18:44.01 | DavidProck1981 | on my Debian system i was in the middle of useing the new and it just stopped, and it is not my modem cause im here on a live cd, What is the app that lets u connect / disconnect the NIC Port? |
| 18:44.03 | morae | tralala: in desktop is more easly.. |
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| 18:44.15 | zskdan | abrotman : so ?? |
| 18:44.25 | upstairs-cp | how do i get mp3's to play |
| 18:44.26 | azeem | the_lord: maybe you need to change the MIME priorities for text/html as well |
| 18:44.32 | tralala | quitte, he has already installed sarge and he has no experience. Suggesting etch is not a good advice for him. |
| 18:44.34 | DavidProck1981 | on my Debian system i was in the middle of useing the NET, and it just stopped, and it is not my modem cause im here on a live cd, What is the app that lets u connect / disconnect the NIC Port? |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | zskdan: so what? you pasted int eh channel and go tkicked |
| 18:44.41 | upstairs-cp | i dont seem to have an encoder |
| 18:44.43 | tralala | morae, install and use synaptic |
| 18:44.46 | abrotman | !tell zskdan about paster |
| 18:44.56 | upstairs-cp | what one do i need to install |
| 18:45.02 | magyar | is the ntfs module in 2.6.18 capable of writing to ntfs? |
| 18:45.02 | quitte | tralala: etch works better on recent system. |
| 18:45.06 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: mii-tools ? |
| 18:45.10 | abrotman | upstairs-cp: xmms ? |
| 18:45.18 | lindenle|shift | abrotman: totally sorry |
| 18:45.30 | the_lord | azeem: update-alternatives worked, thx a lot |
| 18:45.31 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: about? the repeated commands in the channel ? |
| 18:45.38 | morae | quitte: debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso this one ? |
| 18:45.54 | quitte | morae: yes,looks good |
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| 18:46.02 | DavidProck1981 | bash: mii-tools: command not found |
| 18:46.06 | lindenle|shift | abrotman: huh? |
| 18:46.14 | morae | tralala: from where synaptic ? i see only a black while console.. |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: what were you apologizing for ? |
| 18:46.24 | morae | white* |
| 18:46.31 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: sudo mii-tool |
| 18:46.34 | DavidProck1981 | it has a icon that liiks like a plug |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: weren't those your script commands in the channel ? |
| 18:46.42 | lindenle|shift | abrotman: putting stupid crap in the window on accident. |
| 18:46.46 | quitte | tralala: how do you expect him to use synaptic without a working xserver? |
| 18:46.47 | tralala | morae, etch is _beta_ software and people around here are not very fond of helping newbies running testing/unstable |
| 18:46.52 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: KDE or gnome ? |
| 18:46.57 | abrotman | lindenle|shift: okeedokee .. as long as you got it worked out |
| 18:46.59 | DavidProck1981 | kde |
| 18:47.14 | tralala | morae, didn't you install gdm? |
| 18:47.14 | abrotman | the plug is for power |
| 18:47.15 | lindenle|shift | abrotman: yeah znc seems pretty cool |
| 18:47.15 | azeem | tralala: well, running testing is mostly fine, contrary to unstable IMHO |
| 18:47.25 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:47.47 | morae | tralala: yes but it doesn't work. it says that my configuration is not supported, graphic or something. |
| 18:47.50 | MoDaX | tralala: but I'm not very fond of supporting stuff that I don't use on my desktop (i.e. sarge) |
| 18:47.50 | quitte | tralala: uhm i'm not very fond of helping people use a system that I didn'T use in years. |
| 18:47.52 | zskdan | abrotman : http://channels.debian.net/paste/4449 |
| 18:48.03 | DavidProck1981 | this live ct is gnome thow |
| 18:48.05 | zskdan | abrotman: ;) |
| 18:48.16 | abrotman | zskdan: thank you :) |
| 18:48.30 | quitte | tralala: especially when i knowfrom my own experience that etch works better in pretty much every way |
| 18:48.33 | tralala | azeem, it hasn't been fine for me and I won't recommend it until it's released |
| 18:48.38 | MoDaX | tralala: anyway etch is RC1 know. I don't see a reason to use sarge for new install. even server ones |
| 18:48.47 | abrotman | zskdan: okay .. so what doesn't work ? no IP at all ? what does ifconfig -a say after you boot ? |
| 18:49.02 | MoDaX | sk/know/now/ |
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| 18:49.13 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: i guess it´s inside the kdenetwork-package. |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | zskdan: you don't have eth0 or eth1 set to auto |
| 18:49.26 | quitte | tralala: ever tried installing sarge on a system that needs a recent kernel to work? |
| 18:49.40 | tralala | MoDaX, I happen to disagree |
| 18:49.41 | DavidProck1981 | what is it called |
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| 18:49.48 | simmerz | what package do i need to install to get apache to do combinedv logging? |
| 18:49.53 | SmallR2002 | quitte, try debootstrap :) |
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| 18:50.17 | zskdan | abortman ; ifconfig show no ip to both eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:50.17 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: kppp ? |
| 18:50.20 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install kdenetwork-package |
| 18:50.25 | abrotman | zskdan: you don't have eth0 or eth1 set to auto |
| 18:50.26 | tralala | quitte, there are unofficial sarge installers with 2.6.18. I use amd64 sarge on a system that is pretty recent |
| 18:50.33 | DavidProck1981 | isnt kpp for dial ip |
| 18:50.40 | quitte | SmallR2002: still leaves the problem that there is no recent kernel insarge and if you install our own you loose hardware detection |
| 18:50.54 | quitte | tralala: there is no amd64 sarge |
| 18:50.57 | MoDaX | tralala: ok, I'll say the other way: who would want to install sarge only to upgrade to etch in a month |
| 18:50.59 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: point-to-point => anything based on modems. |
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| 18:51.06 | DavidProck1981 | my connection it Eth0 |
| 18:51.15 | tralala | MoDaX, I would |
| 18:51.18 | SmallR2002 | quitte, you do? what about discover etc? |
| 18:51.32 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kdenetwork |
| 18:51.39 | zskdan | abrotman: so if i set theme to auto , so after reboot the ip willl be assigned to my Nic ?? |
| 18:51.46 | MoDaX | tralala: and reasons are? |
| 18:51.50 | abrotman | zskdan: that's the idea .. man 5 interfaces for more info |
| 18:51.55 | tralala | quitte, because it's unofficial doesn't mean it's unexistant |
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| 18:52.01 | quitte | SmallR2002: maybe. but i prefer udev and all that |
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| 18:52.30 | tralala | MoDaX, it works fine and has been doing so for the last 18 months |
| 18:52.34 | quitte | tralala: so unofficial stable is better than official testing. ok. if you say o. |
| 18:52.35 | SmallR2002 | quitte, are you saying you can't get udev in your own kernel? |
| 18:52.44 | quitte | SmallR2002: yes |
| 18:52.46 | zskdan | abrotman : thnks , but what about my dhcp3-server |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | zskdan: get your IPs working first .. then we'll do the second part |
| 18:52.58 | zskdan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.59 | quitte | SmallR2002: not in sarge. unless you use backports |
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| 18:53.28 | SmallR2002 | quitte, own kernel + backports of udev then? |
| 18:53.46 | zskdan | abrotman : ok, i will reboot now for chking if it work, thnks !! |
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| 18:54.06 | abrotman | zskdan: okay |
| 18:54.12 | quitte | SmallR2002: and a bunch of other things iirc. i gave up a few weeks ago when i gave it a try. |
| 18:54.27 | ma3x | can anybody play any video at http://video.aol.com/video-category/celebrities/1204 ? |
| 18:54.39 | SmallR2002 | quitte, why do you want sarge? |
| 18:54.45 | erore | I am trying to enable sound on debian+gnome. It doesn't work, how can I find out what is wrong? |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | using alsa or OSS ? |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 18:55.04 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 18:56.02 | quitte | SmallR2002: it's been on a server for years. ad i wanted to move it to xen for safer remote administration |
| 18:56.03 | MoDaX | tralala: maybe, but it doesn't make sence to 1) use old software when new is pretty much stable 2) waste time for upgrading and (maybe) solving issues which it causes (esp. on servers) 3) etch already has security support |
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| 18:56.03 | SmallR2002 | quitte, i think you want to check priorities, it working, or it not working but being how you want it :P |
| 18:56.24 | Gumboot | I feel compelled to share with those that were enjoying my misfortune yesterday. Today I had a power cut which toasted the whole Debian box that I had spent so long trying to get configured. There will be enough hardware replacement required that all that work will have been pointless. |
| 18:56.32 | quitte | SmallR2002: i've got a box here that ill put etch on and move it there now. |
| 18:56.44 | Gumboot | That's all. |
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| 18:58.15 | tralala | MoDaX, the security support for etch was loudly declared and then quietly abandoned. What doesn't make sense for me is to upgrade to beta (or just released) software when the old one simply works and does everything you need. |
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| 18:58.55 | MoDaX | tralala: I mean only new fresh installs |
| 18:59.05 | quitte | tralala: is there even security support for sarge on amd64? |
| 18:59.16 | tralala | quitte, yes |
| 18:59.17 | MoDaX | tralala: so there is no 'upgrade' |
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| 18:59.26 | quitte | tralala: official? |
| 18:59.33 | MoDaX | quitte: yes |
| 18:59.52 | MoDaX | quitte: port is unofficial but security support is official |
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| 19:01.01 | tralala | MoDaX, in our case we have a newbie with sarge. Why would he upgrade to (install) etch now? He hates command line. Do you believe he's going to like bts and finding workarounds for etch bugs? |
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| 19:01.22 | tralala | oh, btw the RC bugs in etch are well over 200 |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | tralala: many are fixed in sid |
| 19:01.47 | MoDaX | tralala: I wouldn't dare to touch existing installations that *work properly* as long as I could |
| 19:01.50 | MoDaX | tralala: no. only 53 |
| 19:02.20 | tralala | abrotman, this is good but it makes no difference for our case |
| 19:02.32 | MoDaX | tralala: sorry, but etch needs less cmdline by itself and is easier to use |
| 19:02.37 | abrotman | tralala: which case? |
| 19:02.50 | tralala | abrotman, /lastlog tralala |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | MoDaX: he's referring to bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 19:03.33 | MoDaX | abrotman: and? 166 is less then 200 |
| 19:03.47 | abrotman | MoDaX: it was over 200 a few days ago |
| 19:04.02 | beardy | "less cmdline".. learn. |
| 19:04.20 | quitte | there is no cmdline file here |
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| 19:04.34 | MoDaX | we are talking about the present, aren't we? :) |
| 19:04.42 | tralala | MoDaX, I'm sure it's easier to use _when_ it works |
| 19:04.48 | abrotman | MoDaX: a few days ago was the last time i checked it :) |
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| 19:05.15 | quitte | tralala: so you had a very bad experience with etch? what didn't work? |
| 19:05.34 | tralala | and 166 is still about 8 times more that I would consider tolerable |
| 19:05.51 | morae | quitte: i will try what you said few minutes ago, thanks for your help. i'll join when i finish my installation. |
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| 19:06.14 | quitte | morae: good luck. avoid the rc bugs ;) |
| 19:07.00 | MoDaX | tralala: I installed etch the other day and it worked out-of-the-box just fine. sarge is even more prone to fail on new hardware |
| 19:07.16 | abrotman | duh .. because sarge was released 1.5 years ago |
| 19:07.39 | MoDaX | abrotman: yes. that's what I'm saying |
| 19:07.45 | tralala | quitte, I just don't like it when thinks break on upgrade. I just want software that works. |
| 19:07.45 | smacnay | If I install bittornado, can I remove 'bittorrent'? |
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| 19:07.56 | abrotman | MoDaX: well that's a given |
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| 19:08.05 | quitte | tralala: uhm he's doing a fres install |
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| 19:09.17 | tralala | quitte, okay, I hope everything will work out of the box for him. |
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| 19:09.52 | quitte | tralala: and i wouldn'T be surprised if the problems you encounteredare related to sarge for amd64 being unofficial |
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| 19:10.16 | Coweater | smacnay: the package manager will tell you if you try to remove it |
| 19:11.04 | abrotman | zskdan: did it work better ? |
| 19:11.12 | tralala | MoDaX, this is not the question. The question is that I don't recommend anything but stable to people who simply want to use their computer and not to be bothered with fixing broken stuff themselves. But that's just me. |
| 19:11.43 | quitte | weird. thats why i recommend etch |
| 19:11.44 | smacnay | Coweater: yes, I see that trying to remove bittorent didn't affect bittornado at all. |
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| 19:11.53 | MoDaX | quitte: don't exaggerate that 'unofficial' tag. there are only about 6 altered packages in amd64 sarge port. |
| 19:12.10 | zskdan | abrotman : no yet reboot the machine |
| 19:12.18 | abrotman | uhm okay |
| 19:12.30 | abrotman | MoDaX: it's that it didn't release at the same time |
| 19:12.32 | zskdan | abrotman : i'm reading the man interfaces |
| 19:12.37 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:12.39 | zskdan | :D |
| 19:12.43 | tralala | quitte, the amd64 box has never been on testing. It was an i386 laptop that had testing. And btw since you've never used amd64 sarge your assumptions that it's somewhat worse than i386 because it's unofficial are void. |
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| 19:13.37 | quitte | tralala: bugs in upgrading amd64 sarge to etch are not being considered release critical i assume |
| 19:14.16 | tralala | quitte, you can always verify your assumptions at bugs.debian.org |
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| 19:15.20 | MoDaX | quitte: there are no such bugs and even if there are, they definitely will be fixed by amd64 porters (DDs) |
| 19:15.36 | abrotman | MoDaX: no bugs at all ? |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | you've upgraded every package from sarge to etch ? |
| 19:15.58 | Red_Cloud | enouf good day! |
| 19:16.01 | MoDaX | abrotman: i'm talking about amd64 specific |
| 19:16.07 | abrotman | i realize that |
| 19:16.11 | enouf | Red_Cloud: hello :-) |
| 19:16.12 | abrotman | you've upgraded them all ? |
| 19:16.36 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have learned quite a bit from you yesterday |
| 19:16.36 | MoDaX | abrotman: no |
| 19:16.45 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I have all your older pastebins still open and running .. just in case :-) |
| 19:16.51 | tralala | also the reason I don't recommend etch is because I'm not using it and I cannot help with it. It would be pretty unfair on my side to tell people "install etch" and when they run into trouble to tell them "sorry, I don't know how to fix that". |
| 19:16.54 | abrotman | so your assertion that there are *no* bugs .. could be incorrect ? :) |
| 19:16.54 | enouf | Red_Cloud: excellent |
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| 19:17.10 | quitte | well if it is't in the policy it's not rc. and it's up to th dd if he fixes it or not. anyways i have enough of that discussion. |
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| 19:17.43 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have now realized why you said that the reference in the menu.lst should be hd0,3 instead of hd01. A little googling gave me the answer |
| 19:18.01 | enouf | Red_Cloud: Apologies if I got you into any jams ... can you explain more plz? |
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| 19:18.34 | ma3x | what's the thing about non-free packages? must I pay to use them, or can I use them but not modify/redustribute them? |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 19:18.40 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 19:18.59 | ma3x | I already read that |
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| 19:19.05 | ma3x | I still don't get it |
| 19:19.06 | enouf | read it again :-p |
| 19:19.18 | ma3x | I can't understand it |
| 19:19.27 | quitte | ma3x you dont have to pay to use non-free |
| 19:19.30 | ma3x | can't you just answer to my question? |
| 19:19.30 | Coweater | their usage is dependent on their own license which probably comes with the packages |
| 19:19.36 | MoDaX | quitte: etch is not frozen yet, so non-RC bugs can be fixed |
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| 19:19.48 | Red_Cloud | enouf the reason that I am installing DFS is to learn. The jams were not unhappy at all. I did have to reinstall and picked up quite a few new tidbits in the process. I found that you were correct about the kernel not being installed on my directory. I learned how to get dpkg to install it and also the correct syntax for that linux image. |
| 19:19.52 | ma3x | quitte: so packages like 'unace' can be used for free? |
| 19:20.00 | quitte | ma3x: yes |
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| 19:20.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:20.45 | jatt | ma3x: your are thinking about non-free as in non-free beer |
| 19:21.03 | DamianFinol | Good evening my good friends, anyone know a good free software substitute for AutoCAD? |
| 19:21.19 | plutonas | ma3x: free in debian does not mean 0$ |
| 19:21.25 | ma3x | jatt: what means non-free beer? either you get the beer for free, or you don't get it |
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| 19:21.34 | plutonas | it means free as freedom |
| 19:21.40 | ma3x | like what |
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| 19:21.46 | ma3x | tell me an example with the beer |
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| 19:21.50 | RogerBacon | debian vs freebsd ? wich is better ? :D |
| 19:21.53 | Coweater | yes, beer is free or not free of cost, software is not |
| 19:22.00 | komposter | freebsd |
| 19:22.08 | Coweater | read the gpl, it defines the freedoms in question |
| 19:22.11 | no_err | free beer means if you don't get the beer then you get the maiden who delivers it |
| 19:22.11 | quitte | DamianFinol: i douuuubt there is anything free that gets even close to autocad. but maybe varicad is worth a try. costs moneythough. but some days are for free |
| 19:22.14 | abrotman | RogerBacon: debian .. obviously |
| 19:22.16 | no_err | lol |
| 19:22.19 | jatt | !dfsg |
| 19:22.20 | dpkg | hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:22.23 | DamianFinol | aw |
| 19:22.26 | enouf | Red_Cloud: wow .. that's really good news .. glad to hear it .. I was afraid some things were missing from important areas :-) |
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| 19:22.37 | komposter | debian-linux freebsd-unix-different OS |
| 19:22.46 | plutonas | ma3x: the beer doasn't have anything to do with software |
| 19:22.50 | enouf | Red_Cloud: sucha as vmlinuz and the initrd .. hehe |
| 19:22.59 | RogerBacon | debian vs freebsd ! which is better ? :D |
| 19:22.59 | ma3x | so why do you say jatt ma3x: your are thinking about non-free as in non-free beer |
| 19:23.02 | plutonas | the beer is used 1 time |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | RogerBacon: stop trolling |
| 19:23.08 | ma3x | RogerBacon: how the hell should we know? |
| 19:23.12 | DamianFinol | ok quitte I sort of answered my quesiton, but just you know, Wikipedia is the best thing out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_computer-aided_design_software |
| 19:23.19 | DamianFinol | LOl |
| 19:23.28 | ma3x | RogerBacon: what's better : juice, water, beer, vodka? |
| 19:23.35 | plutonas | ma3x: he meant free at the price |
| 19:23.35 | hyph-n | vodka |
| 19:23.36 | RogerBacon | vodka ? |
| 19:23.55 | enouf | Red_Cloud: it sems like having the orig Debian install kinda allowed you to half-ass install the DFS installation |
| 19:24.01 | Feax | how can I read .wmv movies ? |
| 19:24.04 | enouf | !Beer |
| 19:24.04 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 19:24.13 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 19:24.14 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 19:24.17 | xingu | ma3x: juice, water, beer, vodka.. and what was the second choice? |
| 19:24.18 | jatt | he |
| 19:24.20 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have used qtparted to view my partitions. Here is what I have found. The very first partition on my disk is my Windows XP partition, so that would be hd0,0. The very next partition on the disk is hda4 so that would be hd0,1. The very next partition on my hard disk is hda2 so that would be hd0,3. This scares me because my GRUB resides within the hda2 partition. |
| 19:24.38 | valdyn | Feax: marillat has what you need, like mplayer / w32codecs |
| 19:24.46 | enouf | Red_Cloud: the only thing I recall that was weird wads; |
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| 19:24.49 | ma3x | xingu: bred, tomatoes, pasta, cheese |
| 19:24.58 | RogerBacon | chesse :D |
| 19:25.07 | xingu | ma3x: definitely juice, water, beer, vodka then. :) |
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| 19:25.16 | jatt | I meant price. You think you should *pay* to use software distributed in the non-free repositories. This is not the case. |
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| 19:25.30 | enouf | Red_Cloud: 1. hda4 comes right after hda1 in the block layout .. but not to worry |
| 19:25.31 | plutonas | what is better, ferrari or porsche? |
| 19:25.40 | abrotman | stop already |
| 19:25.50 | RogerBacon | vodka with orange juice is a good choice |
| 19:25.52 | hyph-n | i'm setting up a multi-TB server that will offer disaster-recovery storage (via FTP) as a service to others... |
| 19:25.59 | hyph-n | gonna use debian |
| 19:26.01 | RogerBacon | ferrari of course |
| 19:26.03 | itchi | plutonas: Debian! |
| 19:26.06 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 19:26.06 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 19:26.07 | hyph-n | + vsftpd |
| 19:26.16 | enouf | Red_Cloud: 2. if you look at your fdisk -l /dev/hda output again and follow the block numbering you'll see waht I mean |
| 19:26.16 | ma3x | xingu: there is a 3d choice too: with big boobs, hot girls, nice asses, hell beautiful face, gonna make you up |
| 19:26.20 | itchi | Take somethings that are not in the list :-p |
| 19:26.21 | hyph-n | and webmin / usermin |
| 19:26.22 | plutonas | itchi: CORRECT |
| 19:26.24 | jatt | uhhh |
| 19:26.30 | abrotman | do NOT use webmin |
| 19:26.35 | hyph-n | oh |
| 19:26.36 | ma3x | abrotman: why not |
| 19:26.38 | RogerBacon | ma3x : haha :D |
| 19:26.44 | xingu | ma3x: I'd still go with the first one, but that's me |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | never ever use webmin |
| 19:26.50 | enouf | Red_Cloud: as a matter of fact .. here it is :-) http://pastebin.ca/246127 |
| 19:26.55 | hyph-n | that's only so that user accounts can be setup remotely |
| 19:26.59 | ma3x | xingu: you must be retired then |
| 19:27.08 | hyph-n | it will not be exposed to the outside world.. |
| 19:27.12 | RogerBacon | ok, debian vs girl's ? |
| 19:27.17 | abrotman | STOP |
| 19:27.19 | hyph-n | abrotman: why not? |
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| 19:27.34 | plutonas | RogerBacon: can't we have both? |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | if you can't admin the server . hire someone who can |
| 19:27.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: my bad .. it goes hda1 then 2 then 4 , then 3 (which houses 5 and 6) |
| 19:27.40 | tralala | hyph-n, if you're configuring your home network and you don't want to become a sysadimin webmin is fine. If you configure an exposed/production system than you need (to be) sysadmin. |
| 19:27.53 | xingu | or a manager of one |
| 19:27.58 | hyph-n | abrotman: oic.... what u r ssay |
| 19:27.59 | RogerBacon | plutonas : no, only one choice, debian vs girl's ! |
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| 19:28.00 | th0ger | In CUPS, which device URI should i use for my usb-printer? (canon) |
| 19:28.00 | beardy | hyph-n: If you don't know, or can figure that out, just trust us. |
| 19:28.05 | RogerBacon | *debian or girl's |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | !tell hyph-n about u |
| 19:28.06 | abrotman | !tell hyph-n about r |
| 19:28.09 | enouf | Red_Cloud: that occured most likely because you created the Ext'd befdore creating the various other primaries |
| 19:28.09 | abrotman | RogerBacon: STOP |
| 19:28.17 | RogerBacon | ok, i've stopped |
| 19:28.21 | hyph-n | why click a button, when you can type it all in via a console.. |
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| 19:28.45 | enouf | Red_Cloud: you would have had to weither move, wipe, or backup and restore and maybe even resize to make it different |
| 19:28.45 | Katz | hello |
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| 19:28.54 | enouf | s/weither/either |
| 19:28.55 | Katz | how can I access a file that has a filename that begins with -? |
| 19:29.02 | Red_Cloud | enouf I resized |
| 19:29.08 | tralala | Katz, command -- -filename |
| 19:29.11 | valdyn | Katz: rm -- -file |
| 19:29.31 | Katz | thanks |
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| 19:29.42 | tralala | valdyn, rm isn't quite accessing the files |
| 19:29.46 | hyph-n | don't you think it's ironic that i have to type 'you' when the unix command for 'remove' is rm...?? |
| 19:29.54 | zskdan | abortman : greeeett it working :D |
| 19:29.57 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I recall that .. but before you even did that .. you had hda1,3,5,6 already .. right? (3 was the Ext'd) |
| 19:29.59 | beardy | tralala: "command" includes rm. |
| 19:30.05 | abrotman | hyph-n: you're more than welcome to make an alias for your system |
| 19:30.10 | Red_Cloud | enouf the partition that I resized was the Win partition which gave the free space between the Win partition and hda2 |
| 19:30.14 | hyph-n | :-) |
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| 19:30.33 | abrotman | zskdan: good |
| 19:30.36 | zskdan | abrotman : greeeett it working :D |
| 19:30.39 | zskdan | root@StudentServer:[~]# /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server status |
| 19:30.41 | zskdan | Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is running. |
| 19:30.45 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:30.57 | hyph-n | abrotman: about the webmin thing... you reckon that i'm better just doing everything via a console reather |
| 19:31.01 | enouf | Red_Cloud: right .. which enbaled you to use hda2 and from there setup hda4 for installation .. but didn't orig Debian already reside on hda2? |
| 19:31.08 | abrotman | just make sure it's running on the internal NIC .. not the external |
| 19:31.10 | hyph-n | abrotman: than webmin... |
| 19:31.15 | beardy | abrotman: Of course. |
| 19:31.17 | abrotman | hyph-n: you'll end up learning more .. don't you think ? |
| 19:31.17 | zskdan | abrotman : thnks a lot !! |
| 19:31.21 | beardy | hyph-n: Of course. |
| 19:31.39 | hyph-n | abrotman: mmmm.... |
| 19:31.46 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 19:31.46 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:31.52 | xingu | he'll certainly learn how crap webmin is the first time it loses him a customer |
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| 19:32.07 | itchi | hyph-n: You will be learn many more be doing it yourself in the right way |
| 19:32.21 | hyph-n | ok ok ok |
| 19:32.25 | Red_Cloud | enouf yes I had hda1,2,3,4,5 the numbering changed to 1,2,3,4,5,6 after creating the hda4 partition the original 4,5, becoming 5,6 |
| 19:32.42 | enouf | Red_Cloud: in other words .. what happened is .. you shrank hda1 which originally had as many blocks as hda1 and hda2 combined |
| 19:32.44 | Flimzy | Is there an easy way to build an i386 kernel image from within an i386 chroot on an amd64 box? Even tho the chroot is all i386, kernel-package tries to build for amd64, and when I specify --arch=i386, it tries to find a crosscompiler, which should not be needed. |
| 19:32.54 | hyph-n | what about vsftpd? |
| 19:32.56 | Red_Cloud | enouf yes |
| 19:33.12 | Red_Cloud | enouf here is my concern at present |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | hyph-n: what about it ? |
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| 19:33.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: But hda3 was always there and not moved .. which is why when you made hda2 .. and then hda4, you're still below hda3 (since it never moved) |
| 19:33.52 | itchi | hyph-n: It's an tool to cook somethings :-p |
| 19:34.10 | xingu | my one and only experience with webmin was when someone managed to install it on a system acting as a combined domain controller, wins server, and browse master for eight subnets, both blowing the carefully handcrafted config away /and/ turning it into a one node packet flood in the process |
| 19:34.35 | abrotman | xingu: you say that like it's a bad thing ... |
| 19:34.36 | hyph-n | abrotman: i've been looking into it... and trying it out... i like the simplcity of it... and it does what i want.. |
| 19:34.36 | Red_Cloud | enouf here is the information as it presently is displayed by viewing with qtparted: |
| 19:34.47 | itchi | hyph-n: Maybe you want some advieses of the ftp servers that are available? |
| 19:34.53 | abrotman | hyph-n: what are you doing with it ? |
| 19:35.12 | enouf | Red_Cloud: that's why I prefer to use separate HDDs for this kind of experimenting .. otherwise there's nothing wrong with just wiping the primaries and allocate back that space and use the Logicals for booting and installing .. Linux does NOT need to be on a primary to boot |
| 19:35.12 | hyph-n | abrotman: it's going to be the ftp server that is running on my server... |
| 19:35.14 | xingu | abrotman: I learnt several things that day; one, don't work with fools, two, don't aggregate risks, and three, stay the frick away from webmin and its target audience |
| 19:35.21 | abrotman | hyph-n: using logins? |
| 19:35.27 | hyph-n | abrotman: yes |
| 19:35.30 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:35.37 | hyph-n | abrotman: around 1000 |
| 19:35.42 | enouf | Red_Cloud: the problem is you made the Ext'd BEFORE creating/allocating the 3 Primaries |
| 19:36.01 | enouf | Red_Cloud: You only had 1 Primary prior to Resizing |
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| 19:36.13 | salem__ | how to update modules in debian |
| 19:36.17 | abrotman | hyph-n: okay .. might want to do that with mysql instead of making system users |
| 19:36.23 | abrotman | salem__: update them how ? |
| 19:36.35 | salem__ | yes |
| 19:36.37 | itchi | salem__: What mean you with an module? |
| 19:36.42 | salem__ | updatemd |
| 19:36.56 | hyph-n | abrotman: mmm... i also want to give the users quotas.... is that possible using that setup..? |
| 19:36.59 | itchi | salem__: Driver? |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | hyph-n: not sure .. i use proftpd |
| 19:37.20 | hyph-n | abrotman: can i do it with that one...? |
| 19:37.33 | abrotman | i don't use mysql backends for ftpds |
| 19:37.46 | salem__ | updatedb is to update kernel modules right |
| 19:37.48 | enouf | Red_Cloud: REVISED --> Red_Cloud: in other words .. what happened is .. you shrank hda1 which originally had as many blocks as hda1 and hda2 , "and hda4" combined |
| 19:37.56 | salem__ | ? |
| 19:37.57 | abrotman | hyph-n: this is for people to upload or what ? |
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| 19:38.02 | Red_Cloud | enouf 01 hda1 boot, 02 hda4 ext3, 03 hda2 ext3, 04 hda3 extended, 05 hda5 logical swap, 06 hda6 logical ext3. |
| 19:38.22 | hyph-n | abrotman: yes.... it's part of a disaster recovery service... |
| 19:38.23 | itchi | salem__: no |
| 19:38.24 | Red_Cloud | enouf you have understood exactly what I have done. Is this an unsurmountable problem? |
| 19:38.42 | itchi | salem__: Have you make use of module-assistant? |
| 19:38.44 | hyph-n | abrotman: they will gave some client software that uploads to the server |
| 19:38.57 | hyph-n | abrotman: using secure ftp |
| 19:38.58 | abrotman | hyph-n: you may want to look at scp of some sort |
| 19:39.04 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 19:39.23 | hyph-n | abrotman: but they only get what they pay for (space, that is) |
| 19:39.28 | solemnwarning | Do DVB cards actually work? |
| 19:39.31 | enouf | Red_Cloud: i would say leave it be ... it would take mucho unnecessary disk juggling just to get them all in the correct order .. not worth it .. Get another disk and experiment that way |
| 19:39.45 | abrotman | Hydroxide: okay |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | solemnwarning: not yours |
| 19:39.59 | solemnwarning | Every programs that I can actually get to record from my bttv card makes video files with out of sync audio |
| 19:40.00 | hyph-n | abrotman: i was going to set them up as users, restrict them to only their own home... |
| 19:40.10 | hyph-n | abrotman: then give them a quota |
| 19:40.14 | abrotman | okay |
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| 19:40.19 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Well for one thing, BTTV is not a DVB card. |
| 19:40.23 | enouf | Red_Cloud: if it works ok .. it's really not an issue .. you 'may' run into a weird SuperBlock error from time to time .. but I'd say leave it be :-0 |
| 19:40.23 | tralala | solemnwarning, mencoder including? |
| 19:40.25 | solemnwarning | I KNOW |
| 19:40.31 | tom-leykis | ok how can I use debian with the latest kernel? |
| 19:40.34 | tom-leykis | this is buggin me |
| 19:40.36 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Also, chances are you have your audio set up wrong. |
| 19:40.38 | solemnwarning | I was asking if DVB cards work, unlinke BTTV |
| 19:40.40 | hyph-n | abrotman: actually done this already on a test server... |
| 19:40.46 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: BTTV works fine, if you set it up right. |
| 19:40.48 | solemnwarning | I can view it fine |
| 19:40.53 | _ericb | tom-leykis what is bugging you ? |
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| 19:40.58 | solemnwarning | But recording makes out of sync audio |
| 19:41.15 | solemnwarning | tralala: Including mencoder |
| 19:41.25 | hyph-n | abrotman: not sure how scaleable the solution is though... |
| 19:41.33 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: You don't have the audio wired correctly. That's a very common mistake with BTTV cards. |
| 19:41.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: Just know this .. whenever you have to perform a "Fsck" makre certain the partition is not mounted .. let the system do it .. or use a LiveCD and chroot into the partition that needs to be repaired |
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| 19:41.40 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 19:41.43 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: One I have made several times myself. |
| 19:41.46 | solemnwarning | I can watch it fine |
| 19:41.50 | Flimzy | I realize that. |
| 19:41.58 | Flimzy | You still don't have the audio wired correctly, thus your sync problems. |
| 19:41.59 | abrotman | hyph-n: you could throw hardware at it :) |
| 19:42.01 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 19:42.03 | solemnwarning | It's ONE CABLE |
| 19:42.03 | enouf | Red_Cloud: letting the system do it .. means read "man tune2fs" |
| 19:42.10 | solemnwarning | TV card -> line in |
| 19:42.23 | abrotman | and not Debian related |
| 19:42.27 | hyph-n | abrotman: i know.... the server is better than average.. |
| 19:42.29 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: The vast majority of BTTV cards (yours may be an exception) have an audio cable that goes out and into a sound card. |
| 19:42.45 | solemnwarning | Yes I know, thats how I hear it when I watch it......... |
| 19:42.53 | abrotman | hyph-n: i mean .. you could have more than one front line server connected to a shared storage etc |
| 19:42.53 | Flimzy | So then it's not just one cable, is it? |
| 19:43.07 | solemnwarning | One cable from TV card to sound card |
| 19:43.07 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: But I'll tell you what. You obviously know more about this than I do (even tho yours doesn't work, and mine does) |
| 19:43.13 | xingu | like watching a car crash in slow motion |
| 19:43.25 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: So I'll let you fix it yourself, and I'll find someone who's not being an ass, and help them. |
| 19:43.25 | hyph-n | abrotman: you are a mind reader... that is my plan |
| 19:43.33 | solemnwarning | If it was connected wrong there would be no sound when watching it |
| 19:43.36 | abrotman | hyph-n: okay |
| 19:43.44 | hyph-n | abrotman: having a front line server, connecting to other servers using NFS |
| 19:43.57 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Yes, of course, you're right. Even tho that goes against what I've experienced and what everyone else in the world has experienced. |
| 19:44.20 | jair | Hey guys I am running etch for first time and i notice that I have to comment out the CD-rom media etch prompt. ;) |
| 19:44.20 | hyph-n | abrotman: initial server will be a 1TB unit (raid1 boot disk + 6 250gb raid 5) |
| 19:44.35 | abrotman | !baarf |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 19:44.40 | itchi | solemnwarning: How do you record it? |
| 19:44.44 | tralala | curiously I've never had such a problem with my card |
| 19:44.47 | abrotman | hyph-n: google "BAARF" |
| 19:44.53 | jair | another thing is that I notice that the centrino chip was not recognized :( |
| 19:44.59 | abrotman | hyph-n: i'm not saying don't use it .. just read what they say |
| 19:45.06 | abrotman | hyph-n: wait .. which FS ? |
| 19:45.07 | solemnwarning | I've tried the way this tutorial states: http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=307679 |
| 19:45.15 | solemnwarning | And with gv4l |
| 19:45.18 | jair | but I will go ahead and start exploring things |
| 19:45.18 | tralala | jair, did the usb install work? |
| 19:45.23 | solemnwarning | And lavrec |
| 19:45.26 | jair | tralala: nope :( |
| 19:45.32 | solemnwarning | They all do out of sync audio |
| 19:45.33 | jair | tralala: I could not |
| 19:45.33 | Red_Cloud | enouf the hda4 is not mounted. I have tried several times to mount it but could not get it to mount. I consider myself lucky that it would not mount because the GRUB is residing within hda2 which is hd0,2. If hda4 should mount suddenly I would be locked out of editing GRUB to reflect that hda2 would have shifted to hd0,2. It would be quite a pickle for me! |
| 19:45.39 | Flimzy | I wish I didn't have to compile my dang kernel on a P233 |
| 19:45.39 | hyph-n | abrotman: erm.... ext3 |
| 19:45.39 | Flimzy | grrr |
| 19:45.47 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:45.50 | jair | tralala: I just burn the daily cd netinst |
| 19:46.01 | abrotman | Flimzy: you can't use a debian-packaged kernel ? |
| 19:46.03 | hyph-n | abrotman:... i'm actually not 100% sold on raid 5.... |
| 19:46.17 | enouf | Red_Cloud: hda2 equates to (hd0,1) but I know it;'s a typo .. but just to be sure |
| 19:46.20 | jair | tralala: but I don't really know what was really happening I try all the ways and nothing. |
| 19:46.24 | Flimzy | abrotman: No. And I can't get my amd64 to build an i386 kernel properly. |
| 19:46.30 | jair | I need to run now |
| 19:46.35 | abrotman | Flimzy: why not? |
| 19:46.44 | abrotman | Flimzy: wait ... do i really want to know ? |
| 19:47.00 | jair | I will be installing things manually, during the installation i told the system not to install anything ;) |
| 19:47.06 | Flimzy | abrotman: Why not to which? No deb packaged kernel, b/c I need some custom drivers. Why won't amd64 build for i386? not exactly sure. |
| 19:47.13 | Red_Cloud | enouf according to the view given by qtparted hda2 now is the 3rd partition which would make it hd0,2 |
| 19:47.17 | abrotman | custom drivers? |
| 19:47.30 | Flimzy | abrotman: for a wireless nic |
| 19:47.31 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I believe perhaps the default options within /boot/grub/menu.lst are harming you .. try and add an eextar # in front of any #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro lines |
| 19:47.37 | abrotman | Flimzy: which wifi ? |
| 19:47.41 | Flimzy | also, I hate generic kernels. hehe |
| 19:47.48 | Red_Cloud | enouf and according to the view given by qtparted hda4 is the 2nd partition which would make it hd0,1 |
| 19:47.54 | abrotman | Flimzy: you could always use qemu to run i386 and build in that (it'll be wicked slow) |
| 19:47.57 | enouf | Red_Cloud: so it becomes--> ##kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro lines |
| 19:47.57 | Flimzy | abrotman: Marvell 88W8335. I think it will need the NDIS wrapper (gross) |
| 19:47.58 | tralala | solemnwarning, how do you capture the audio? There are some modules that are supposed to transfer the audio through the bus. I've never experimented with them but they could be the reason for your problem |
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| 19:48.07 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Third-party drivers usually get built as modules which you can load into an existing kernel... you don't have to recompile your whole kernel just for one third-party driver |
| 19:48.11 | solemnwarning | erm, the program does it |
| 19:48.17 | smacnay | is bitlbee still being used? |
| 19:48.19 | Flimzy | abrotman: probalby quicker to build natively on the P233 |
| 19:48.20 | Wyzard | Flimzy: ndiswrapper is packaged in Debian -- you can build ndiswrapper modules to use with a stock Debian kernel |
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| 19:48.30 | Flimzy | Wyzard: it's not exactly a 3rd party driver. |
| 19:48.44 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Perhaps. Even so, I still hate stock kernels. |
| 19:48.45 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 19:48.46 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 19:48.51 | enouf | Red_Cloud: but grub uses the hdaX numbering scheme, but subtracts 1 (starts from 0 rather than 1) |
| 19:48.55 | tralala | smacnay, right as we speak |
| 19:49.17 | enouf | Red_Cloud: which blocks the hdaX occupies doesn't matter to Grub |
| 19:49.33 | Flimzy | abrotman: it should be possible to build an i386 kernel within an i386 chroot on amd64. But that isn't happy, either. |
| 19:49.37 | xingu | Flimzy: common failure mode for badly written source and Kbuild is to make wild assumptions about build and target ARCH |
| 19:49.43 | tralala | solemnwarning, investigate the modules that you have loaded and remove everything you don't need. Then try capturing again. |
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| 19:49.56 | abrotman | Flimzy: why not ? |
| 19:49.59 | solemnwarning | I don't have any TV card stuff except bttv loaded |
| 19:50.00 | Flimzy | xingu: eh? |
| 19:50.00 | smacnay | tralala: does it support file transfers yet? |
| 19:50.02 | Red_Cloud | enouf in grub would not my first partition which is Windows be 0 and the next to it would be hda4 and would be 1. next to that is hda2 which would be 2 in grub? |
| 19:50.06 | solemnwarning | They arn't even compiled with my kernel |
| 19:50.20 | xingu | Flimzy: some out of tree crap assumes that `arch` is your target arch |
| 19:50.21 | enouf | Red_Cloud: as long as vmlinuz and initrd are actually present on hda4 (from your DFS installation) then it should boot as long as you pass grub the correct kernel root= line |
| 19:50.36 | Flimzy | xingu: Yes, I noticed that. |
| 19:50.59 | enouf | Red_Cloud: Grub was installed into your MBR .. and also into the Boot sector of the beginning of each partition |
| 19:51.02 | Flimzy | xingu: and I can tell it a different target arch, but then it thinks it needs a cross compiler |
| 19:51.03 | tralala | solemnwarning, are you telling me you're running a custom kernel? |
| 19:51.07 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 19:51.10 | itchi | smacnay: Try to look on popcon site, or /msg dpkg popcon |
| 19:51.15 | tralala | that's really bad |
| 19:51.15 | tom-leykis | whats wrong with stock kernel |
| 19:51.28 | tom-leykis | I mean how much speed % wise do you get form compiling your own |
| 19:51.31 | solemnwarning | Why? |
| 19:51.32 | tom-leykis | 1%? |
| 19:51.34 | xingu | Flimzy: :) it's great isn't it. so then you spend a year or so fighting the makefile and whatever shite is making *it*... |
| 19:51.39 | smacnay | itchi: thanks |
| 19:51.43 | enouf | Red_Cloud: your MBR is hda not hdaX .. and the boot sectors are at the very beginning of hda1,2,3,4 |
| 19:51.56 | Red_Cloud | enouf considering the additional # in the #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro what would be the effect of commenting this line? |
| 19:51.57 | itchi | tom-leykis: None, because probably you fail to get it boot ;-) |
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| 19:52.09 | tralala | smacnay, I don't think so but I'm not sure. I don't transfer files through the IM networks |
| 19:52.13 | itchi | tom-leykis: stock kernel are realy good |
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| 19:52.16 | enouf | Red_Cloud: it just won't make it the "default" which is what it says now |
| 19:52.27 | Red_Cloud | enouf gotcha |
| 19:52.33 | Flimzy | xingu: Is there a way to fool it into thinking the host machine is also i386? |
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| 19:52.42 | solemnwarning | tralala: Why is a custon kernel bad? |
| 19:52.42 | tralala | solemnwarning, can you reproduce this problem using a stock kernel? |
| 19:52.45 | enouf | Red_Cloud: especially if you then run update-grub which you say fails always |
| 19:52.48 | EmleyMoor | I have installed ekiga but it won't work due to missing audio plugin - any suggestions as to what package I should install to fix it? |
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| 19:52.52 | hyph-n | abrotman: BAARF: cool |
| 19:52.53 | solemnwarning | I've not tried |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | Flimzy: as muhc time as you've been whining .. would have built on the 233 by now :) |
| 19:53.01 | abrotman | hyph-n: okay |
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| 19:53.07 | solemnwarning | But I don't have btaudio compiled so it's not that |
| 19:53.08 | Flimzy | abrotman: I'm still working on that. |
| 19:53.08 | hyph-n | abrotman: i'll take it under consideration.... |
| 19:53.09 | tralala | solemnwarning, for the reasons described in the "custom kernel" factoid |
| 19:53.10 | enouf | Red_Cloud: look in that file for the update-grub=false options .. leave that be |
| 19:53.20 | Flimzy | abrotman: it will take a while :) |
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| 19:53.25 | solemnwarning | !custom kernel |
| 19:53.26 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 19:53.41 | enouf | Red_Cloud: that one effects your Default Orig installation .. AFAIK |
| 19:53.51 | Flimzy | abrotman: It _just now_ got done unbzipping the kernel source, which I started right after I joined this channel |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | Flimzy: duh .. should have gotten the .gz instead .. takes less time to download 10M extra than unzip the bzip |
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| 19:54.25 | hyph-n | abrotman: thanks for the gilt-edge advise.... |
| 19:54.32 | leandrossssss | jajaj |
| 19:54.34 | leandrossssss | sigo |
| 19:54.37 | leandrossssss | vite |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | !tell Feax about away |
| 19:54.38 | solemnwarning | I don't have btaudio, what else makes recording from bttv be out of sync? |
| 19:54.40 | Flimzy | abrotman: I already had the .bz2 sitting on my HD |
| 19:54.45 | leandrossssss | v |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | Flimzy: oh |
| 19:54.49 | hyph-n | now, dear friends.... i must depart.. my wife wants a glass of wine.... |
| 19:54.51 | hyph-n | ty |
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| 19:54.53 | abrotman | leandrossssss: stop please |
| 19:54.55 | xingu | Flimzy: part of the drainbamage is that arch on linux uses utsname; which reports the kernel arch, not the userland... |
| 19:54.56 | enouf | Red_Cloud: can you plz pastebin the output of cat /boot/system.map ? |
| 19:54.58 | abrotman | hyph-n: enjoy |
| 19:55.15 | Flimzy | xingu: is there a sane way to override that? |
| 19:55.18 | xingu | Flimzy: in theory a sexy xen or vmware ia32 vm should do it |
| 19:55.18 | Brushy | Wants a glass of wine=sexes |
| 19:55.24 | smacnay | Hi, I added a smaller hd to my machine and had been using it via an external usb interface. It is formatted ext3 and works fine. Do I simply create a mount point in /mnt/ and add an entry to /etc/fstab to have it mount automatically on boot? |
| 19:55.25 | leandrossssss | abrotman you are a bitch |
| 19:55.35 | abrotman | leandrossssss: have a nice day |
| 19:55.47 | xingu | Flimzy: not comprehensively; ein kernel, ein utsname at present; and things besides /bin/arch parse it |
| 19:55.51 | smacnay | I just installed it as hdb |
| 19:55.59 | enouf | Red_Cloud: my bad .. I mean cat /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 19:56.12 | abrotman | smacnay: yes |
| 19:56.20 | leandrossssss | abrotman and you peach |
| 19:56.21 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:56.28 | tralala | solemnwarning, a misconfigured kernel I guess |
| 19:56.35 | solemnwarning | My kernel is fine |
| 19:56.43 | tom-leykis | wait did someone say I fail to get it to boot? |
| 19:56.44 | itchi | Just trying the card reader on the laptop, so only plug it in and look to less /proc/partitions to see if the partition is detected? |
| 19:56.44 | tom-leykis | lol |
| 19:56.46 | xingu | Flimzy: it gets my goat; also another great one is when your debian arch and module-assist and some "almost" debianised kernel-module package disagree about what's possible or even what's desirable... |
| 19:56.52 | tom-leykis | I get paid 47/h as linux guy |
| 19:56.57 | tom-leykis | so say what you want |
| 19:57.04 | tom-leykis | but I make 100k from linux |
| 19:57.05 | abrotman | tom-leykis: you missed his point |
| 19:57.06 | tom-leykis | :) |
| 19:57.08 | Flimzy | heh |
| 19:57.19 | leandrossssss | !ops Flimzy |
| 19:57.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: leandrossssss complains about: Flimzy |
| 19:57.20 | tom-leykis | I have cmpiled kernels before |
| 19:57.22 | tom-leykis | its easy |
| 19:57.23 | abrotman | tom-leykis: your linux skills might be great .. your conversational skills suck |
| 19:57.29 | tom-leykis | subjective |
| 19:57.33 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:57.33 | Flimzy | leandrossssss: ?? |
| 19:57.35 | tom-leykis | but what Im tryign to say |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | Flimzy: ignore him .. he's trolling |
| 19:57.49 | xingu | Flimzy: in theory, it should all just work by using --host-... and --target- in gcc and binutils; but there's a wide gap between theory and the real world and it's poorly plugged with makefile makers in my experience |
| 19:57.49 | keram | how do you change the root password? |
| 19:57.49 | tom-leykis | is what % gain do you think you get from recompiling your own kernel |
| 19:57.50 | Flimzy | abrotman: fair enough |
| 19:57.50 | tom-leykis | ? |
| 19:57.59 | leandrossssss | ups sorrytom-leykis |
| 19:58.06 | enouf | Red_Cloud: if update-grub keeps failing (again, you may be missing files within /dev/hda4/boot/grub .. such as the Stage1 Stage 1.5 and Stage2 files) .. then you may just need to install Grub onto that hda4 Boot sector |
| 19:58.12 | abrotman | tom-leykis: and the guy said you'd get 0% increase because your custom kernel probably won't boot |
| 19:58.21 | CharminTheMoose | shouldn't you just kick trolls with your +1 lart stick |
| 19:58.22 | tom-leykis | no in a successful run |
| 19:58.29 | Flimzy | Maybe I can set up a distributed C compiler that runs the host on the P233, and the client(s) on the i386 chroot on my amd64! |
| 19:58.31 | tom-leykis | by whoever is you fav guru here |
| 19:58.37 | abrotman | tom-leykis: yes .. that was the joke you failed to understand |
| 19:58.37 | Flimzy | (something tells me that would be at least as difficult to set up, tho) |
| 19:58.41 | leandrossssss | !ops abrotman !kb |
| 19:58.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: leandrossssss complains about: abrotman !kb |
| 19:58.51 | tom-leykis | nah it was lame |
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| 19:58.57 | tom-leykis | hench my 47/h comment |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | tom-leykis: you still didn't get it .. lame or not |
| 19:59.02 | xingu | Flimzy: heh; probably more practical to boot your ia32 chroot under vmware server in all honesty |
| 19:59.10 | tom-leykis | I did |
| 19:59.10 | Red_Cloud | enouf just a minute. I have edited my menu.lst |
| 19:59.13 | tom-leykis | but ti sucked |
| 19:59.14 | abrotman | right ... |
| 19:59.16 | tom-leykis | :) |
| 19:59.21 | enouf | Red_Cloud: Qtparted is good for partition resizing .. not sure if you have the Tools a LiveCD (Rescue CD) wouuld have .. such as all the utilities like chroot and such |
| 19:59.22 | Flimzy | xingu: I would have to install vmware then... |
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| 19:59.31 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ok |
| 19:59.33 | Flimzy | I could install Debian on my Athlon 2400+, too |
| 19:59.37 | Flimzy | but that also seems like a pain in the butt |
| 19:59.46 | pet | abrotman !!ops kb |
| 19:59.49 | xingu | Flimzy: true; but it's free like herpes |
| 19:59.57 | Flimzy | I find it ironic that the fastest i386 machine I have now is a P233 |
| 20:00.13 | enouf | !patch wazzles |
| 20:00.20 | Flimzy | I never thought I'd see the day when I had 2 PPCs, and AMD64, and a non-Linux i386 |
| 20:00.21 | enouf | wtf? hehe |
| 20:00.23 | abrotman | Flimzy: you just said it wasn't .. but the other doesn't run linux |
| 20:00.27 | tom-leykis | p233 |
| 20:00.28 | tom-leykis | lol |
| 20:00.30 | tralala | I've been compiling kernels until I realized that it's simply a waste of time and that's in the best case. |
| 20:00.31 | tom-leykis | lol |
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| 20:00.33 | pet | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, wea about pet |
| 20:00.36 | tom-leykis | same heere |
| 20:00.37 | Flimzy | abrotman: I stand corrected :) |
| 20:00.41 | tom-leykis | why bother with compiling kernel |
| 20:00.45 | xingu | Flimzy: I tell you what, I'll swap you your x86_64 crossbuild woes for my sparc64->sparc32 ones |
| 20:00.47 | tom-leykis | most people ahve bigger fis to fry |
| 20:00.52 | tom-leykis | better to learn to make code |
| 20:00.55 | tom-leykis | that is efficient |
| 20:00.58 | pet | tom-leykis !ops |
| 20:00.59 | Flimzy | xingu: hehe. I only have a sparc32 anyway. |
| 20:01.02 | tom-leykis | dan learn to use rdbms |
| 20:01.04 | Flimzy | (in sparcland) |
| 20:01.06 | xingu | Flimzy: at least your host gcc doesn't *assume* that it's building 32bit in the specfile... |
| 20:01.10 | Red_Cloud | enouf the result of cat /boot/grub/device.map was (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 20:01.11 | Wyzard | as have I... I decided it wasn't worth the hassle for the sake of having a Debian logo on my boot console |
| 20:01.14 | Wyzard | so I use stock kernels now |
| 20:01.19 | pet | d |
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| 20:01.21 | CharminTheMoose | what's a good programming language to learn first? |
| 20:01.24 | eltopo | wtf |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | depends on your end goal CharminTheMoose |
| 20:01.32 | xingu | Flimzy: ever seen autobreak spit out ... -m32 -m64 -m32 ... ? :) |
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| 20:01.40 | itchi | Is it still sunday or so?? ;-) |
| 20:01.41 | tom-leykis | tcl |
| 20:01.43 | Flimzy | xingu: can't say I have |
| 20:01.45 | tom-leykis | www.tcl.tk |
| 20:01.45 | enouf | Red_Cloud: can you tell me on which partition you are viewing that? |
| 20:01.48 | EmleyMoor | What audio plugin package should I try for ekiga? |
| 20:01.51 | Red_Cloud | enouf are there any options that I should use with cat /boot/grub/device with which to expand the info |
| 20:01.53 | tom-leykis | then learn aolserver and postgresql |
| 20:01.53 | abrotman | tcl isn't a good language for anyone to learn :) |
| 20:01.55 | Flimzy | Alrighty, so what do I need to put into my kernel for ndis support? |
| 20:01.59 | enouf | Red_Cloud: which partition that menu.lst resides? |
| 20:02.08 | tom-leykis | abrot do you know it? |
| 20:02.13 | Wyzard | On my laptop I used to build custom kernels for the sake of enabling CONFIG_64G, since that's necessary to enable the NX feature on x86 processors that support it, but yesterday I discovered the bigmem kernels so now I use those instead |
| 20:02.18 | CharminTheMoose | well for um messing around with linux programs.C/C++ i suppose? |
| 20:02.19 | abrotman | at least i know how to use the damn tab key |
| 20:02.21 | Wyzard | Flimzy: nothing... ndiswrapper is an out-of-tree kernel module |
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| 20:02.27 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: depends on the programs you want to make |
| 20:02.27 | Flimzy | Wyzard: ahh. |
| 20:02.29 | itchi | EmleyMoor: I not know about that stuff, maybe take an look to gnome meeting?? |
| 20:02.29 | pet | itchi ops |
| 20:02.33 | pet | r |
| 20:02.33 | Red_Cloud | enouf I believe hda2 is where menu.lst resides |
| 20:02.33 | pet | r |
| 20:02.34 | pet | r |
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| 20:02.38 | Red_Cloud | hello pet |
| 20:02.41 | eltopo | sup? |
| 20:02.41 | Wyzard | Flimzy: That's why everyone's saying you don't need to compile a custom kernel |
| 20:02.44 | Flimzy | Wyzard: How does it interface with the kernel then? With a tun device or something? |
| 20:02.46 | eltopo | fun |
| 20:02.48 | abrotman | eltopo: he's a troll .. ignore him |
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| 20:03.01 | xingu | Flimzy: anyway, so your crossbuild kernel stuff in all probability comes back to what utsname(2) says; and the easiest way to get it and you to agree about what it ought to say at this very instant is a guest vm |
| 20:03.01 | CharminTheMoose | !ops pet pet is being a keyboard n00b he only has one finger |
| 20:03.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: charminthemoose complains about: pet pet is being a keyboard n00b he only has one finger |
| 20:03.08 | Wyzard | Flimzy: No, it loads into the running kernel with modprobe, just like every other module does |
| 20:03.17 | Flimzy | Wyzard: gotcha. thanks |
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| 20:03.38 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: what kind of programs ? anything in particular ? |
| 20:03.51 | solemnwarning | How can I record video from a bttv card with the audio in sync? |
| 20:03.52 | Wyzard | Flimzy: If you use a stock linux-image package, install the corresponding linux-headers package and you'll have everything you need to compile out-of-tree modules like ndiswrapper and nvidia-kernel |
| 20:04.08 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I'll compile my kernel nonetheless, and then the headers will exist. |
| 20:04.08 | Wyzard | Flimzy: There's a tool called "module-assistant" that provides a nice frontend to the process, too |
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| 20:04.31 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Suit yourself, but from six years of experience doing the same, I think you're wasting your time |
| 20:04.44 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I need you to look at the contents of hda4 .. and if necessary boot into a LiveCD like knoppix to biew it if necessary .. though you can boot into your Orig Deb install and chroot ("mkdir /mnt/hda4", then "mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4") .. then "chroot /mnt/hda4" so you can now view the contents of hda4 |
| 20:04.46 | Keeto | I'm trying to install vmware (as well as firefox manually) and am getting errors about missing librarys, though they are both present in /usr/lib and i can't figure out what is causing the problem, anyone ever hear about this before? |
| 20:04.56 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Well I've been building custom kernels since 1.2.13 in 1996, and I'm not likely to change my habbits now :) |
| 20:04.59 | enouf | s/biew/view |
| 20:05.00 | tom-leykis | tcl +aolserver+postgresql+slack nice |
| 20:05.02 | tom-leykis | niccceee |
| 20:05.04 | enouf | Red_Cloud: |
| 20:05.17 | abrotman | tom-leykis: perhaps you should try #slackware |
| 20:05.20 | CharminTheMoose | well I know i'm being a complete and utter programming language n00b here but i saw the game called 'Animal' and i said to myself 'hmm now if i knew whatever language that's coded in i could add to it and include vegetables and minerals like that really old game i have on magnetic tape' |
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| 20:05.44 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: grab the source .. find out what language it is .. start learning it |
| 20:05.45 | CharminTheMoose | then again,i am a complete idiot at the best of times |
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| 20:06.07 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Then you should know too that it's not really necessary :-) |
| 20:06.10 | enouf | Red_Cloud: then you can view an/or Edit any files there |
| 20:06.28 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Not necissary. But personally desirable :) |
| 20:06.39 | tonyb2006 | 3/redraw |
| 20:06.52 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Espeically on a limited machine like this P233 w/ 32mb... I'd rather trim as much cruft as possible. |
| 20:06.54 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Aside from settings like preempt and 4kstacks, it's mostly just which drivers you enable, and there's really no harm in having a precompiled kernel with a bunch of extra drivers built |
| 20:07.14 | tom-leykis | hey I want to getting stronger in linux |
| 20:07.21 | Flimzy | Wyzard: So long as the extra drivers are strictly modular. But some of the extra drivers are built in. I'd rather remove those if possib.e |
| 20:07.25 | Flimzy | possible, even |
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| 20:07.57 | Wyzard | Flimzy: A few things are built-in for efficiency... calling a function from a module is slightly slower than calling a compiled-in one |
| 20:07.58 | Flimzy | tom-leykis: apt-get install weight-lifter |
| 20:08.10 | enouf | Red_Cloud: if you're not sure which partitions are mounted .. you can use the command 'df -h' .. or just 'mount' .. though I can't recall how to tell which one you're currently in :-( .. but atleast you have some clues .. you can't be in an unmounted one |
| 20:08.13 | tom-leykis | well |
| 20:08.17 | Wyzard | Flimzy: For most modules it doesn't really matter, but for really heavily-used stuff (like TCP support) it's worth it |
| 20:08.20 | tom-leykis | will the salckware manual |
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| 20:08.26 | tom-leykis | give me better linux skills |
| 20:08.31 | abrotman | ask #slackware |
| 20:08.42 | tralala | my router p233/32ram runs 2.6.8-3 just fine |
| 20:08.47 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Aye. My preference for a limited system like this is to directly compile as much as possible, and get rid of as much as possible. |
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| 20:09.10 | Brushy | Tom-leykis obtained SLACKWARE MANUAL Linux skill +3 |
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| 20:09.20 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Then you should run Gentoo, and trim down the whole system (not just the kernel) with USE flags :-P |
| 20:09.23 | Flimzy | tralala: Cool. And mine will be running 2.6.18.1 just fine relatively shortly |
| 20:09.34 | Flimzy | Wyzard: *cough* |
| 20:09.38 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 20:09.41 | CharminTheMoose | man the animal source code is split into really really small pieces. |
| 20:09.47 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I do, BTW, rebuild debian packages occasionally for that purpose. But rarely. hehe |
| 20:10.05 | tom-leykis | why not just us |
| 20:10.07 | tom-leykis | slackware |
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| 20:10.12 | abrotman | tom-leykis: STOP |
| 20:10.20 | tom-leykis | oh shit this is debian |
| 20:10.27 | tom-leykis | oops |
| 20:10.28 | tom-leykis | heh |
| 20:10.30 | Flimzy | Wyzard: OH! And I want my kernel optimized for my Pentium MMX instruction set instead of just 486!! Becuase that makes a HUGE difference in absolutely EVERYTHING I don't do on this box... er... yeah. hrm |
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| 20:10.34 | earthian | hello |
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| 20:10.47 | tom-leykis | ok |
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| 20:11.18 | tom-leykis | hey |
| 20:11.19 | tom-leykis | what is apt-get command to install 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:11.41 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have a copy of knoppix but have never used it. I can give it a try and see what I can do with it. |
| 20:11.45 | abrotman | tom-leykis: which CPU ? |
| 20:11.45 | Flimzy | tom-leykis: just as you might guess, 'apt-get install package-name' |
| 20:11.56 | abrotman | tom-leykis: and which version of debian ? |
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| 20:11.59 | tom-leykis | i686 |
| 20:12.10 | tom-leykis | 3.1r4 |
| 20:12.13 | earthian | i get ati driver error because my kernel module (8.30.3) is different version than the drivers (8.28.8).. however i have apt-get --purge remove fglrx* and then apt-get install fglrx* then i have built/installed the kernel module... how can i fix it? i want to completely remove the kernel module |
| 20:12.14 | lindenle|shift | In firefox some of the characters are replaced by a box that shows 0092. Also in mplayer the ' was replaced by _. Can someon tell me how to fix my font problem? |
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| 20:12.27 | abrotman | tom-leykis: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:12.30 | Keeto | I'm trying to install vmware (as well as firefox manually) and am getting errors about missing librarys, though they are both present in /usr/lib and i can't figure out what is causing the problem, anyone ever hear about this before? |
| 20:12.30 | Wyzard | Flimzy: You could probably buy a PPro motherboard and processor for the price of the electricity you'll use compiling kernels on that box |
| 20:12.41 | Wyzard | Flimzy: and with a PPro you can use stock -686 stuff |
| 20:13.12 | Wyzard | Flimzy: including libc6-i686, which has real benefits (NPTL instead of linuxthreads) |
| 20:13.17 | enouf | Red_Cloud: sounds good .. I wanna see what FILES are located WHERE .. you should have the (almost exact) same files in /dev/hda4/boot/grub as are in /dev/hda4/boot/grub .. not to mention the DFS vmlinuz and initrd on /dev/hda4/boot |
| 20:13.25 | tom-leykis | reformat the system lol |
| 20:13.34 | abrotman | tom-leykis: can you please be quiet ? |
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| 20:13.46 | enouf | Red_Cloud: whoops you should have the (almost exact) same files in /dev/hda4/boot/grub as are in /dev/hda*2*/boot/grub |
| 20:13.50 | tom-leykis | abrt u guna answer me? |
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| 20:14.01 | tom-leykis | I gave u details |
| 20:14.08 | solemnwarning | I've tried recording audio/video from my bttv TV card using gv4l, lavrec and mencoder. But every video created has audio out of sync, how should I fix this? |
| 20:14.18 | enouf | Red_Cloud: what version of knoppix is that? |
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| 20:14.32 | abrotman | tom-leykis: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:15.11 | Malagmyr | What has the least overhead of samba and ftp on a linux box? ftp? |
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| 20:15.24 | Flimzy | Wyzard: hehe |
| 20:15.24 | Malagmyr | When mounting a filesystem based on them |
| 20:15.47 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I need to buy that diesel generator I want, then my electricity won't cost a thing :P |
| 20:16.06 | abrotman | except the cost of diesel ? |
| 20:16.19 | earthian | can somebody help me with that driver? |
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| 20:17.24 | robin_sz | Malagmyr, you cant mount a filesystem by ftp, NFS and Samba yes, FTP no |
| 20:18.02 | Malagmyr | robin_sz: autofs has ftpfs |
| 20:18.16 | robin_sz | it does? |
| 20:18.22 | Malagmyr | it does. |
| 20:18.23 | robin_sz | oh well, there you go |
| 20:18.29 | robin_sz | shows what I know |
| 20:18.48 | robin_sz | quite how it would do locking I have no clue |
| 20:18.55 | Red_Cloud | enouf mounted: /dev/hda2 6.5G 5.0G 1.2G 82% / udev 10M 64K 10M 1% /dev devshm 379M 0 379M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda6 50G 976M 46G 3% /home |
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| 20:19.22 | Wyzard | Flimzy: You could buy a lot of PPro systems for the price of a diesel generator :-P |
| 20:19.36 | Red_Cloud | enouf I did not install GRUB into hda4. Should I? |
| 20:19.38 | Flimzy | Wyzard: hehe |
| 20:20.12 | enouf | robin_sz: from earlier pumpkin0 sent you this link http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_SpeedStep_working_on_Coppermine-piix4-smi_based_ThinkPads ...and I'm sending you this one http://trenkamp.org/i8k/i8k-installation.html <-- System Setup - Kernel Options |
| 20:20.17 | Flimzy | I wonder how many PPro systems I could buy for the hourly wage I'm forfeiting right now cleaning up the vegitable oil spill in my closet. |
| 20:20.47 | enouf | Red_Cloud: fine .. so hda4 is not mounted |
| 20:21.35 | Red_Cloud | enouf knoppix v5.0.1 |
| 20:21.37 | enouf | Red_Cloud: as root .. first " mkdir /mnt/tmp/hda4 " |
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| 20:22.04 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ok .. forget the knoppix for a moment .. lesse if we can mount your hda4 partitiion |
| 20:22.38 | Red_Cloud | enouf we are going to mount it while in hda2? so that I can edit menu.lst? |
| 20:22.58 | enouf | Red_Cloud: Yes .. now .. mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/tmp/hda4 |
| 20:23.16 | enouf | Red_Cloud: after that first mkdir command |
| 20:23.29 | itchi | Heh, what's that 'lesbian'? |
| 20:25.36 | tom-leykis | veg oil? |
| 20:25.38 | tom-leykis | kinky |
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| 20:25.49 | itchi | arg, there are no screenshots for 'lesbian' :-p |
| 20:26.04 | Red_Cloud | enouf OK have created directory and mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/tmp/hda4 |
| 20:26.11 | robin_sz | enouf, thanks |
| 20:26.18 | enouf | robin_sz: welcome |
| 20:26.31 | robin_sz | whats that app for messing with Nokia phones? gnokkia? |
| 20:26.34 | enouf | Red_Cloud: so you're mounted on hda4 .. yes? |
| 20:26.49 | Red_Cloud | enouf OK hda4 is now mounted |
| 20:26.54 | Red_Cloud | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:26.56 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ok .. now " cd /mnt/tmp/hda4 |
| 20:27.08 | Red_Cloud | enouf OK |
| 20:27.22 | enouf | Red_Cloud: now " cd boot " |
| 20:27.42 | itchi | Ow, i have a screenshot of 'lesbian' :-) |
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| 20:27.51 | Red_Cloud | ok |
| 20:27.56 | enouf | !smack itchi |
| 20:27.57 | itchi | Is that fake stuff or realy surious? |
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| 20:28.16 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, just discovered 'lesbian' ;-) |
| 20:28.31 | enouf | Red_Cloud: now pastebin the output of " ls -al " use www.pastebin.ca |
| 20:28.37 | itchi | !lesbian |
| 20:28.37 | dpkg | it has been said that lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 20:28.43 | itchi | Nothing more about it |
| 20:30.37 | CharminTheMoose | how do i get the various C headers necessary for compiling a basic hello world c++ program? |
| 20:30.47 | Red_Cloud | enouf http://pastebin.ca/246889 |
| 20:30.58 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: There is an 'hello' package; maybe can that help you |
| 20:31.08 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:31.18 | enouf | Red_Cloud: looking |
| 20:31.19 | cast | itchi: really? |
| 20:31.41 | itchi | cast: Realy what? |
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| 20:31.57 | CharminTheMoose | Wyzard,build-install is installed |
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| 20:32.12 | CharminTheMoose | do i have to set some path variable to it? |
| 20:32.17 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: The actual headers you need are in the libc6-dev package, but build-essential will make sure you have that, and a compiler, and a debugger, and several other useful things |
| 20:32.25 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: Then you should have everything you need |
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| 20:32.43 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: No, you don't need to manually set any paths |
| 20:32.50 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: Do you get a compile error? |
| 20:32.53 | enouf | Red_Cloud: aha.. no Grub directory at all . hehe |
| 20:33.10 | Red_Cloud | enouf absolutely right |
| 20:33.11 | enouf | Red_Cloud: so the Grub files are not even there .. hehe |
| 20:33.25 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have not installed grub into hda4 |
| 20:33.26 | CharminTheMoose | yes i do Wyzard |
| 20:33.35 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: What's the error? |
| 20:33.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: so YEs .,. install grub onto the bootsector of hda4 |
| 20:33.49 | CharminTheMoose | just a sec Wyzard |
| 20:34.11 | Red_Cloud | enouf will grub be installed into the correct directory by apt-get? |
| 20:34.53 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am also going to install irssi so that I can reconnect to this chat from hda4 |
| 20:34.55 | enouf | Red_Cloud: No .. from right where you are .. do this "grub-install /dev/hda4" as root |
| 20:35.10 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.com/822796 |
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| 20:35.36 | Red_Cloud | enouf Whoa! That is fantastic! this is great! |
| 20:35.46 | enouf | Red_Cloud: yep ..:-) |
| 20:35.57 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: You're compiling a C++ program with a C compiler |
| 20:36.05 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: Use "g++", not "gcc" |
| 20:36.14 | abrotman | oh .. you act like that's bad |
| 20:36.34 | CharminTheMoose | really? |
| 20:36.37 | CharminTheMoose | oh,my bad |
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| 20:36.55 | CharminTheMoose | thanks Wyzard |
| 20:37.09 | Other` | anyone from Poland ? ;] |
| 20:38.05 | enouf | raf256 ping |
| 20:38.12 | abrotman | !pl |
| 20:38.13 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:38.18 | Red_Cloud | enouf http://pastebin.ca/246895 |
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| 20:38.25 | enouf | Red_Cloud: looking |
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| 20:40.31 | enouf | Red_Cloud: you are still in /boot .. right? .. so now "ls -al" once again and see if there's exists a Dir called "grub" as well as what was there before |
| 20:40.47 | Red_Cloud | enouf results of another df -h http://pastebin.ca/246897 |
| 20:41.05 | robin_sz | oh, .. this is nice .. the "updates" icon in Gnome toolbar .. |
| 20:41.19 | robin_sz | my, is much nicer than Sarge ... |
| 20:41.22 | robin_sz | etch |
| 20:41.52 | enouf | Red_Cloud: now you see that hda4 is mounted at /mnt/tmp/hda4 .. yes .. now plz see what I just said before |
| 20:42.40 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know how i can edit my keyboard keys in the sense of what particular character gets printed to the screen? |
| 20:42.48 | CharminTheMoose | by the key you press? |
| 20:42.55 | robin_sz | hmmm .. question .. 2 updates to install (kernel 2.16.17-2) ... what will happen to the ndiswrapper module I installed with moduleassitant? |
| 20:43.07 | abrotman | youll have to reinstall them probably |
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| 20:43.11 | robin_sz | will it get built again as part of the new kernel install procedure? |
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| 20:43.16 | robin_sz | hmm ... |
| 20:43.26 | itchi | robin_sz: Yup, Etch and above become realy beautifull. Nice Etch is near to become stable |
| 20:43.33 | CharminTheMoose | anyone? |
| 20:43.34 | Red_Cloud | enouf http://pastebin.ca/246899 |
| 20:43.46 | robin_sz | itchi, yeah, very very nice ... |
| 20:43.48 | cahoot | CharminTheMoose: using xmodmap |
| 20:44.02 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: maybe man xmodmap? |
| 20:44.11 | enouf | Red_Cloud: looking |
| 20:44.13 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am still in /mnt/tmp/hda4/boot# |
| 20:44.33 | robin_sz | itchi, I do love that updates GUI .. even my mum would be able to handle that |
| 20:44.48 | enouf | Red_Cloud: "cd grub" |
| 20:45.10 | CharminTheMoose | anything in the gui area |
| 20:45.16 | itchi | robin_sz: Yup, that's right ;-) I'm sure your mom will be able to use the cli, if you tell her it right and if she practice it |
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| 20:46.14 | abrotman | xmodmap |
| 20:46.16 | enouf | Red_Cloud: it may fail ,... what;s up? |
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| 20:47.09 | Red_Cloud | enouf no such directory |
| 20:48.07 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ok .. then do this exactly "cd .." (no quotes ever .. unless I specify to use them:-) |
| 20:48.08 | Red_Cloud | enouf my replies are delayed because I am fetching coffee and stuff. I am not bored or disinterested by any means. This is wonderful |
| 20:48.33 | CharminTheMoose | is xmodmap supposed to have a gui? |
| 20:48.37 | Red_Cloud | enouf ok |
| 20:48.48 | cahoot | CharminTheMoose: xkeycaps if still usable |
| 20:48.49 | enouf | Red_Cloud: no prob .. stay focused for me .. I too would like some coffee :-) .. I'll get some soon thoigh |
| 20:49.09 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am now at /mnt/tmp/hda4# |
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| 20:49.39 | enouf | Red_Cloud: right .. now just "cd" and tell me where you are |
| 20:49.58 | Red_Cloud | ~# |
| 20:49.59 | apt | hmm... # is pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | apt: good job |
| 20:50.14 | apt | Good job, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 20:50.14 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am at ~# |
| 20:50.32 | enouf | Red_Cloud: great .. now "chroot /mnt/tmp/hda4" |
| 20:50.32 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am at "~#" |
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| 20:51.12 | Red_Cloud | enouf done |
| 20:51.22 | biopyte | CharminTheMoose, xkeycaps (?) |
| 20:51.29 | itchi | !beer enouf |
| 20:51.29 | enouf | Red_Cloud: now "grub-install /dev/hda4" |
| 20:51.47 | enouf | itchi: thanks .. was getting thirsty :-) |
| 20:51.49 | itchi | enouf: You are on position 7 on the debstats |
| 20:52.05 | Red_Cloud | enouf command not found |
| 20:52.06 | enouf | itchi: what's that mean ?? <confused> |
| 20:52.23 | itchi | !debstats |
| 20:52.23 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 20:52.27 | enouf | Red_Cloud: hrm .. that's odd .. |
| 20:52.30 | itchi | enouf: Look to it ;-) |
| 20:52.44 | enouf | itchi: yes .. when I can |
| 20:53.19 | itchi | enouf: It's just an stat of the #debian with 'pigs' |
| 20:53.23 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ok ..oh .. "umount /dev/hda4" |
| 20:53.51 | Red_Cloud | enouf done |
| 20:53.51 | enouf | Red_Cloud: erm " umount /mnt/tmp/hda4" maybe .. if that last one fails |
| 20:53.55 | enouf | ok |
| 20:54.00 | itchi | enouf: woo, pisg i mean, strange name |
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| 20:54.42 | enouf | Red_Cloud: now try the "grub-install /dev/hda4" |
| 20:54.56 | Red_Cloud | enouf same result |
| 20:55.09 | enouf | Alright itchi I'm looking now .. |
| 20:55.20 | enouf | it's taking forever to load thohg |
| 20:55.42 | enouf | Red_Cloud: hrmm .. what does df -h say now? |
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| 20:56.31 | enouf | itchi: yes . I've seeen that before .. :-p |
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| 20:56.49 | Red_Cloud | hda4 is still mounted at /dev/hda4 |
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| 20:57.10 | ignotus | is there software available in Debian to convert udf image to iso? |
| 20:57.26 | abrotman | apt-cache search udf iso ? |
| 20:57.37 | ignotus | abrotman: nothing usuable |
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| 20:57.53 | enouf | ignotus: just have the udf module loaded and use growisofs .. IIRC |
| 20:57.59 | abrotman | define usable ? |
| 20:58.12 | ignotus | abrotman: ./foo bar.udf baz.iso <- that is usable |
| 20:58.28 | enouf | Red_Cloud: "umount /mnt/tmp/hda4" |
| 20:58.35 | ignotus | enouf: checking, thanks |
| 20:58.56 | Red_Cloud | enouf umount: /mnt/tmp/hda4: not found |
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| 20:59.00 | enouf | ignotus: you may need to install dvd+rw-tools pkg |
| 20:59.28 | enouf | Red_Cloud: "umount -f /dev/hda4" |
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| 21:01.02 | Red_Cloud | enouf have done |
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| 21:01.09 | ignotus | enouf: hmm I think the simplest easiest solution for me is to write it to DVD then rip it to iso, I will try that:) |
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| 21:01.22 | robin_sz | hmm .. weird .. under 2.6.16 ndiswrapepr worked a treat, under 2.6.17, it fialed to bring up the card and "iwlist wlan0 scan" said the device didnt suporet scaning, which works fine uder 2.6.16 |
| 21:01.24 | Red_Cloud | enouf still mounted |
| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | ignotus: would mounting the udf then making an iso of the mounted filesystem work? |
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| 21:02.04 | yang | Is there any project dedicated to linux webcameras? |
| 21:02.16 | wireddd | v4l ? |
| 21:02.19 | enouf | Red_Cloud: mounted where? |
| 21:02.23 | k-man | i did an upgrade to icedove and it seems to be broken |
| 21:02.36 | Red_Cloud | enouf /dev/hda4 |
| 21:02.42 | ignotus | jelly-home: I think it would, but I don't have udf support in my kernel |
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| 21:03.09 | Wyzard | ignotus: Custom kernel? |
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| 21:03.10 | enouf | ignotus: not sure .. do a search like abrotman suggested .. |
| 21:03.15 | ignotus | Wyzard: yes |
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| 21:03.30 | Wyzard | ignotus: UDF support is a useful thing to include :-) |
| 21:03.31 | enouf | ignotus: look into using k3b if you don't mind having KDE stiff installed |
| 21:03.36 | enouf | stuff* |
| 21:03.37 | abrotman | chii: eggs |
| 21:03.42 | ignotus | enouf: yeah I'm writing the image to DVD with k3b |
| 21:03.48 | abrotman | chii: help |
| 21:03.51 | jelly-home | ignotus: I guess you've shot yourself in the foot there. ;-) |
| 21:03.51 | enouf | Red_Cloud: what does df -h say as the mount pioint though |
| 21:03.54 | Wyzard | ignotus: Writing it to DVD won't help |
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| 21:04.00 | ignotus | Wyzard: hehe yep, now I know that too:) |
| 21:04.03 | Wyzard | ignotus: You'll rip it back and get the same UDF filesystem again |
| 21:04.26 | abrotman | FILE! |
| 21:04.27 | Red_Cloud | enouf is mounted "/" |
| 21:04.30 | ignotus | Wyzard: hmm, I thought I would mount it then use mkisofs |
| 21:04.32 | enouf | What did I miss :-( about ignotus 's dilemma? |
| 21:04.49 | Wyzard | ignotus: but how can you mount it without UDF support in your kernel? |
| 21:04.51 | jelly-home | ignotus: how would you mount it if you have no udf support? |
| 21:04.57 | enouf | Red_Cloud: doh .. "chroot /dev/hda2" |
| 21:05.34 | Red_Cloud | enouf chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/hda2: Not a directory |
| 21:05.37 | Wyzard | ignotus: (If you did have UDF support, you still wouldn't need to actually burn the image... just loop-mount it) |
| 21:05.48 | ignotus | Wyzard jelly-home ah yes, I can mount it |
| 21:05.53 | enouf | ignotus: growisofs calls mkisofs |
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| 21:06.08 | ignotus | Wyzard jelly-home I mean can't* |
| 21:06.17 | ToxicSun | do people bother to make debian files anymore for there software packages? |
| 21:06.27 | ToxicSun | .deb's, that is |
| 21:06.28 | jelly-home | ToxicSun: ? |
| 21:06.31 | Wyzard | ignotus: It'd probably simplest to just rebuild your kernel with UDF support enabled |
| 21:06.34 | abrotman | ToxicSun: some people do |
| 21:06.36 | Wyzard | ignotus: since it's useful to have anyway |
| 21:06.41 | abrotman | ToxicSun: you mean other than the official ones ? |
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| 21:06.52 | ignotus | Wyzard: yeah, I may just do that thanks |
| 21:06.59 | ToxicSun | no just primary sources, abrotman |
| 21:07.00 | Madeye | any idea how to setup my locale to English GB ? but without UK Keyboard layout ? |
| 21:07.13 | abrotman | ToxicSun: right .. the actual author .. and yes .. some do |
| 21:07.18 | enouf | Red_Cloud: that's odd .. vrap .. can you reboot back into hda2 now ? I must've did something weird |
| 21:07.22 | enouf | crap even |
| 21:07.23 | ToxicSun | arent their seperate options for that madeye? |
| 21:07.24 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 21:07.24 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 21:07.31 | ToxicSun | thanks abrotman, just wondering |
| 21:07.36 | jelly-home | abrotman, ToxicSun s/some/damn few/ |
| 21:07.42 | robin_sz | hmmm . howcome "grub" doesnt appear in BugBuddy's little lsit of "products" hmm? |
| 21:07.49 | Madeye | ToxicSun, honestly I don't know else I would be asking :-) |
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| 21:08.00 | usr_rob | Need some help with my bluetooth, please! http://pastebin.com/822826 |
| 21:08.06 | ToxicSun | have you installed debian already or are you a prospective user? |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: i've been pleasantly surprised to find people that make binary packages usually include .debs |
| 21:08.12 | Wyzard | robin_sz: I think bug-buddy is meant for GNOME desktop stuff... reportbug is more general (but doesn't have a nice GUI) |
| 21:08.19 | ToxicSun | madeye, have you installed debian already or are you a prospective user? |
| 21:08.20 | Wyzard | robin_sz: Use reportbug for reporting a bug in grub |
| 21:08.20 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am going to update-grub and then try a reboot. |
| 21:08.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: I can only think of one useful piece of software that includes debian/ in the tarball, freeradius. |
| 21:08.37 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ok .. try that |
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| 21:08.49 | enouf | but it's not gonna install grub onto hda4 |
| 21:08.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: what makes you think i use useful software? :) |
| 21:09.03 | robin_sz | Wyzard, ta |
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| 21:09.12 | ToxicSun | abrotman, when im trying to unpackage a tarball that contains stuff i want to install what are the paramaters i usually use... xvjf? |
| 21:09.19 | Madeye | ToxicSun, didn't install it but using it and now need to change the locale |
| 21:09.27 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | ToxicSun: depends on the file format |
| 21:09.32 | ToxicSun | well, like they said |
| 21:09.34 | ToxicSun | !dpkg |
| 21:09.34 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 21:09.38 | abrotman | Madeye: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:09.40 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 21:09.40 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 21:09.48 | Flimzy | and the beat goes on... the beat of the HD on the stupid P233 compiling my kernel, that is |
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| 21:10.10 | ToxicSun | madeye if you run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" from your terminal as root, that will give you the options to do so |
| 21:10.18 | Madeye | abrotman, this is just generating locales but not giving me an option to choose which one I want |
| 21:10.29 | ToxicSun | oh, my apologies |
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| 21:10.36 | abrotman | Madeye: scroll down ? |
| 21:10.37 | jelly-home | Flimzy: did you know you don't have to compile the kernel on the same machine you're going to use it? :-) |
| 21:10.40 | itchi | When i try to build qemu i get the following error, when doing 'debuild -uc -us -b && sudo debi' : http://pastebin.ca/246912 |
| 21:11.02 | usr_rob | amphi: Hello mate! Are you any good at bluetooth configurations ? |
| 21:11.07 | Flimzy | jelly-home: That would be easier if I could compile an i386 kernel on an amd64. But the fastest i386 box I have running Debian is, unfortunately, a P233 |
| 21:11.20 | Madeye | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/822830 |
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| 21:11.26 | itchi | I have the feeling that it is also an gcc strict policy? |
| 21:11.28 | jelly-home | Flimzy: set up a i386 chroot? |
| 21:11.45 | abrotman | Madeye: okay? |
| 21:11.51 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Yeah, but Make, kernel-package, et al, get the host arch from the kernel, which is still x86_64 |
| 21:11.57 | itchi | Strange because on another Etch box, compiling it give no trouble |
| 21:11.59 | abrotman | Madeye: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
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| 21:12.09 | Flimzy | Actually, I have a hosted i386 box... quat P4 |
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| 21:12.16 | Flimzy | on a VPS |
| 21:12.19 | Flimzy | I might see if that's quicker |
| 21:12.24 | rambo3 | where can i get source of debian graphicall installer init |
| 21:12.29 | Madeye | abrotman, same result |
| 21:12.38 | abrotman | rambo3: ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 21:12.41 | jelly-home | Flimzy: uhhh. vps vs. P5-MMX... :-) |
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| 21:12.45 | abrotman | Madeye: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 21:12.51 | Red_Cloud | enouf update-grub did not recognize the mount of hda4. Viewing my disk with gparted it shows hda4 mounted on /mnt/tmp/hda4 |
| 21:13.03 | Flimzy | jelly-home: The VPS is rather restricted memory and CPU wise... may still be faster, though. |
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| 21:13.23 | jelly-home | Flimzy: serves you right for using amd64! :-) |
| 21:13.34 | Flimzy | jelly-home: niiiiice comeback! :P |
| 21:13.40 | enouf | Red_Cloud: Wah ?? pastebin the outpout of /etc/fstab . something is odd |
| 21:13.43 | robin_sz | where can I set the default browswer to firefox instead of ephinay? or will just apt-get remove ephiphany do it? |
| 21:13.57 | enouf | Red_Cloud: cat /etc/fstab that is |
| 21:13.57 | Flimzy | jelly-home, I also have a couple G4s that are way faster than my P233... but wrong arch. And an Athlon 2400+ w/o linux |
| 21:14.00 | Madeye | abrotman, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | Madeye: then when you do that it .. it should ask you which to pick |
| 21:14.30 | enouf | robin_sz: update-alternatives --config www-browser or siliar |
| 21:14.36 | jelly-home | Flimzy: If I knew how to do crosscompiles I'd help, but I don't, so I won't. |
| 21:14.53 | Flimzy | jelly-home, It's a pain in the ass. It's easier to take a nap while my P233 compiles :) |
| 21:15.01 | jelly-home | Flimzy: indeed. |
| 21:15.33 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Or just install a stock kernel :-P |
| 21:15.50 | Flimzy | jelly-home: I wonder if it's possible to set up an i386 VPS on amd64. If so, I might have to do that at some point. Having native i386 on my amd64 would be very handy at other times, too. |
| 21:15.51 | enouf | robin_sz: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser as root |
| 21:15.59 | Madeye | abrotman, it's not I don't know whats wrong |
| 21:16.00 | Flimzy | Wyzard: yes, well... let me explain... oh wait, we've already been there :P |
| 21:16.00 | rambo3 | abrotman, so that not official debian package |
| 21:16.04 | itchi | Why can the compiler not make use of the 2de cpu on an duo core? |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | rambo3: probably a udeb |
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| 21:16.29 | abrotman | rambo3: the people in #debian-boot should know |
| 21:16.32 | Wyzard | itchi: because making the compiler multithreaded would be a big task, and the GCC developers haven't done it |
| 21:16.49 | Flimzy | I can't wait for GCC and/or the kernel to use GPUs as parallel CPUs. Then I can put a nifty geForce into my P233 to make kernel compilers faster :P |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | Madeye: what is the contents of /etc/locale.gen |
| 21:16.59 | itchi | Wyzard: Yup, no doubt about it ;-) time is so less there |
| 21:17.03 | ToxicSun | how do i look at info pages? |
| 21:17.14 | abrotman | Flimzy: or you could stop being a cheap bastard and buy a faster computer |
| 21:17.16 | Red_Cloud | enouf here is fstab as it appears on hda2 in which I am booted http://pastebin.ca/246919 |
| 21:17.16 | Wyzard | itchi: and because nontrivial programs have more than one source file, and most build systems have support for compiling several source files in parallel by running multiple compilers |
| 21:17.21 | usr_rob | ( Just want to say that my post earlier was toatelly stupid, now my rfcomm.conf is configured, i asked before i used my brain ... ) |
| 21:17.21 | Madeye | abrotman, en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 21:17.23 | Flimzy | abrotman: I have many faster computers. |
| 21:17.24 | abrotman | ToxicSun: info <cmd> |
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| 21:17.30 | ToxicSun | thank you abrotman |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | Madeye: that's it ? |
| 21:17.33 | Wyzard | itchi: so it doesn't matter that the individual compilers are single-threaded |
| 21:17.40 | Flimzy | abrotman: I just don't want to buy a faster 32-bit i386 computer. Only a cheap bastard would do that :P |
| 21:17.41 | Madeye | yes |
| 21:17.41 | abrotman | Flimzy: you should use those to compile your kernel |
| 21:17.52 | Flimzy | abrotman: They aren't capable of compiling i386 kernels. |
| 21:18.03 | Flimzy | abrotman: *natively |
| 21:18.03 | abrotman | Flimzy: you're just being lazy now |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | Flimzy: is this for etch ? |
| 21:18.14 | Flimzy | abrotman: How is that lazy? |
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| 21:18.25 | itchi | Wyzard: To be honnest; i realy not know less about that compiling on an GNU/Linux, but had discover that on my new system |
| 21:18.25 | Flimzy | it's for stable, actually |
| 21:18.38 | itchi | Wyzard: Ow, ir realy know less about it; i mean |
| 21:18.44 | abrotman | Flimzy: ah .. i was going to propose possibly using the debian-live CD and boot that and compile your kernel |
| 21:18.45 | itchi | Strange sunday :-p |
| 21:19.14 | Red_Cloud | enouf please educate me some more. The information within fstab should only be the info pertinent to the partition in which that particular fstab file resides? The fstab file on hda2 would be different than the fstab file on hda4? |
| 21:19.16 | Flimzy | abrotman: I suppose that's not a bad idea, actually. I'll keep that in mind for future. |
| 21:19.18 | abrotman | or madeye can leave . okay |
| 21:19.18 | Wyzard | Flimzy: That's work... boot the i386 kernel on the install CD, mount your hard drive, chroot into your i386 installation |
| 21:19.35 | Wyzard | s/that's/that'd/ |
| 21:19.45 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Yes, I like that idea |
| 21:20.33 | robin_sz | enouf, thanks |
| 21:20.33 | Wyzard | Flimzy: With some clever initrd hackery you could probably get an i386 kernel on your hard drive to use your i386 chroot as its root directory |
| 21:20.37 | Malagmyr | What has ftpfs-src and ftpfs-utils been replaced with in Sarge? |
| 21:21.07 | enouf | Red_Cloud: it should be if you actually have a Debian (orig) installation there .. but it seems you "don't" as hda2 and hda4 did NOT EXIST until yesterday .. so it must be on hda6 then since hda5 is your swap .. but hda6 is your /home .. so now Im really lost.. you did something really screwy with that |
| 21:21.12 | Flimzy | Wyzard: probably. that's probably not worth it, tho, as rarely as this will come up |
| 21:21.16 | abrotman | Malagmyr: FUSE i think |
| 21:21.18 | enouf | robin_sz: welcome :-) |
| 21:21.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: couldn't he just point grub at it ? |
| 21:22.18 | Red_Cloud | enouf ignorance is bliss and I was ecstatic whenever I installed my original Linux. It was really installed as the CD did it. |
| 21:22.24 | Flimzy | blah, too many open files on my VPS |
| 21:22.27 | Flimzy | so much for that idea!! |
| 21:22.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: grub doesn't mount the root filesystem, it just tells the kernel how to... but how do you tell the kernel "mount this device, but don't use the real root directory, use this subdirectory" ? |
| 21:22.47 | enouf | Red_Cloud: it's not that they are diff partitions .. it's that you have two differnet versions of Debian installed |
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| 21:23.23 | netcrash | Hello, where should be the locale files in debian ? I need to check if I have support for my language |
| 21:23.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can't do root=/dev/hda3/chroot/sarge32/ or anything remotely like tha t? |
| 21:23.43 | Wyzard | netcrash: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:23.48 | enouf | Red_Cloud: and I have NO CLUE where that XFS warning came from ..you don;'t have any XFS partitions afaict |
| 21:23.53 | usr_rob | anyone knows if bluez-pin are available only in unstable ? |
| 21:23.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: not that I know of, though I've never tried it |
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| 21:24.13 | enouf | Red_Cloud: were you booted to LiveCD when we just did all that before?? |
| 21:24.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: the "root" param for grub can do it .. i think because it's the hd(0,2) etc . and i'm pretty sure you can append directory stuff to it |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: of course .. i'm crazy .. |
| 21:24.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: grub only mounts partitions for the purpose of finding the kernel and the initrda |
| 21:25.00 | Wyzard | *initrd |
| 21:25.09 | Wyzard | abrotman: it has nothing to do with what the kernel mounts once it's loaded |
| 21:25.27 | Red_Cloud | enouf the original Debian install was from the first CD of the 16 disk set. and then I set my sources.list to download the packages from the 'net |
| 21:25.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: grub understands the filesystem .. i'd think it's possible |
| 21:25.53 | enouf | abrotman: stage 1 does not understand anything about filesystems |
| 21:25.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: You could tell grub to load the kernel and initrd from (hd0,2)/chroot |
| 21:26.03 | enouf | stage1.5 and 2 are the iones that do |
| 21:26.05 | Red_Cloud | enouf it was for the 2.4.27 kernel and I upgraded later to the 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 21:26.06 | abrotman | that's what i said! |
| 21:26.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: but once the kernel's loaded and running, it doesn't know or care where grub loaded it from |
| 21:26.18 | enouf | abrotman: excuse me then |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: so you thnik it's possible or not? |
| 21:26.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: grub has nothing to do with kernel parameter root= ... |
| 21:26.32 | abrotman | enouf: not you .. i meant what Wyzard was saying ;) |
| 21:26.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know |
| 21:27.08 | enouf | It "should be" possible .. but it's a weird assed installation .. with resixzed partitions and Grub's stages are NOWHERE on hda4 (the alternate OS) |
| 21:27.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: I don't have an amd64. ;-) |
| 21:27.10 | Wyzard | abrotman: depends on whether the "root=/dev/hda3/chroot/sarge32" thing you mentioned works, which would be cool but I doubt it does |
| 21:27.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'll send you one! |
| 21:27.22 | enouf | abrotman: ok ..no worries |
| 21:27.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: great, as soon as it's here I'll start digging. |
| 21:28.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm skeptical |
| 21:28.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: I might try it sometime on my new amd64 system, but right now my priority is fixing the RAID issues I'm having there |
| 21:28.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: stop breaking drives |
| 21:28.28 | enouf | Red_Cloud: you need to somehow get Grub installed onto hda4's bootsector only .. not installed into the MBR again .. it's already there and on hda2 |
| 21:28.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: one is a kernel param .. the other a grub param |
| 21:28.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's not the drives... that's what's weird about it |
| 21:28.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: Sil and seagate? |
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| 21:28.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: Three Seagate 750s on AHCI |
| 21:29.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: I think some clever munging of init or init scripts might do the trick though. |
| 21:29.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: The drives are fine -- I've run full-surface-scan self-tests on all three of them twice |
| 21:29.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: i bet the guys in #debian-amd64 know how :) |
| 21:29.33 | enouf | Red_Cloud: then with the correct menu.lst file (crap) maybe .. just maybe you should be chainloading these .. just like NT gets chainloaded |
| 21:30.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: gerbil wheels need lubed ? |
| 21:30.17 | enouf | Red_Cloud: you'd chainload from (hd0,1) to hd0, |
| 21:30.18 | netcrash | Wyzard: thank you |
| 21:30.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: however the simplest way to do it would be to make a separate small root part for i386. |
| 21:30.37 | enouf | Red_Cloud: (hd0,3) <-- my bad |
| 21:30.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: cheater! |
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| 21:31.35 | superjon | What is the best way to have sed search for a string containing one or more of '/' in a string you can't change? |
| 21:32.07 | enouf | Red_Cloud: (hd0,1) [/dev/hda2] chainloaded to (hd0,3)[dev,hda4] ,, OR .. look into the MAP function.. but I think that's only for separate physical HDDs |
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| 21:32.25 | superjon | like sed '/$string/d' where $string is an ssh key line in authorized_keys and often contains / |
| 21:32.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: I've also run hours of memtest, and verified that there are no problems when using the drives individually, or when using them in a plain RAID-5 configuration |
| 21:32.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: is this a special RAID5 config ? |
| 21:33.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: but when I use the drives in RAID-5 with encryption and LVM on top, *and* all three drives are in the RAID, I get recurring filesystem corruption that I can reliably reproduce |
| 21:33.18 | enouf | Red_Cloud: sorry .. I'm at my limits here for the moment .. can't think straiight any more :-) and a bit confused , since I haven't had to boot to diff existing debian versions on the same HDD |
| 21:33.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: Removing *any* of the three drives from the array, so it's running in degraded mode, makes the problems go away |
| 21:33.22 | jelly-home | superjon: simplest way would be to find a char. that isn't in input and use that for the separator... like sed ',foo,d' |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: then why blame the swraid driver ? |
| 21:33.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: Putting the drive back makes the problems come back |
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| 21:33.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: what's the error ? |
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| 21:34.07 | superjon | jelly-home: But for an ssh key string, it is all kinds of chars. Any idea what would be best to use? |
| 21:34.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: reiserfs corruption... warnings from the kernel, and reiserfsck finds inconsistencies |
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| 21:34.37 | Red_Cloud | enouf take a break. You have given me tons of stuff to digest and I have learned so much today that I hope that my retention rate is greater than my IQ. Take a break! |
| 21:34.39 | jelly-home | superjon: no idea there, the documentation probably mentions the format. |
| 21:34.40 | superjon | jelly-home: I'm trying to automate some things on our cyclade serial servers |
| 21:34.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: but the encryption, LVM, and reiserfs shouldn't be able to see any difference between a RAID-5 with all three drives and a RAID-5 with one drive missing... that's the whole point of RAID |
| 21:34.54 | superjon | jelly-home: thankyou |
| 21:35.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: have you tried removing different drives ? |
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| 21:35.09 | jelly-home | superjon: failing that, you could just escape the slashes. |
| 21:35.33 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have been looking at the chaining into another boot loader and that suggestion looks very promising, but I do not know enough to evaluate it. |
| 21:35.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: I haven't physically removed them, but I removed them from the array using mdadm |
| 21:36.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: but different drives right ? |
| 21:36.11 | jelly-home | superjon: string=$(echo "$string"|sed 's,/,\\/,g') and use the escaped version. |
| 21:36.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: right... no matter which drive I remove from the array, the problems go away |
| 21:36.24 | enouf | Red_Cloud: for Chainloading .. the only things necessary in /dev/hda4/boot/grub would be 3 files (for your ext3 FS) .. (1) ex2fs_stage1_5 (2) stage2 (3) device.map (I think ..with correct (hd0,3) inside |
| 21:36.25 | superjon | jelly-home: The string is the ssh key line. That doesn't work |
| 21:36.34 | Red_Cloud | enouf dinner is on the table and I am going to go stuff my face for a while. Thanks for all of your help. This is a hobby to me and I enjoy it very much. Thanks. |
| 21:36.40 | amphi | usr_rob: what bt config? |
| 21:36.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: Weird, huh? :-) |
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| 21:37.08 | superjon | jelly-home: And I am using perl-expect to login to an embedded device and update this file with busybox utilities. It looks like their are no , in the file so your suggestion might work. Thanks |
| 21:37.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: swraid or hw ? |
| 21:37.08 | enouf | Red_Cloud: your welcome .. enjoy the meal :-) |
| 21:37.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: software |
| 21:37.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: and you don't suspect the controller because there are no errors when used as single drives ? |
| 21:37.47 | usr_rob | amphi: Thx anyway ;) i configured it okey now, the problem is bluez-pin that is only available in debian unstable |
| 21:37.59 | jelly-home | superjon: it looks like they use base64 encoding for that, so you just have to confirm that comma isn't used in that encoding. |
| 21:38.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: correct |
| 21:38.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: using sarge's kernel ? |
| 21:38.33 | jelly-home | superjon: lucky for me, we don't have to change our ssh keys ever. ;-) |
| 21:38.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm a little suspicious of that because one of the drives logged some command failures in its SMART event log several days ago, right after I built the system, but I've done a subsequent full-surface test on that drive and it didn't find any problems, so I think that was just a loose cable or something |
| 21:38.58 | superjon | jelly-home: Well we have to change them every 6 months for SOX and VISA compliance :( |
| 21:39.10 | Wyzard | abrotman: using etch's 2.6.17 originally, and now sid's 2.6.18 |
| 21:39.17 | superjon | jelly-home: And its a bear to manually do on these cyclades |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | and no change ? |
| 21:39.27 | Wyzard | nope |
| 21:39.32 | amphi | usr_rob: I have bluez-pin available here on sarge (with the backports repo) |
| 21:39.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: but you can't recreate the issue just using it as a RAID volume instead of lvm etc ? |
| 21:40.18 | usr_rob | amphi: Okey ;) i will google for the apt-line, thx |
| 21:40.20 | mirak | is there a way to check events on the serial port ? |
| 21:40.41 | amphi | usr_rob: you're on sarge? |
| 21:40.56 | mirak | I have an IR on com port and want to know if it's on |
| 21:40.57 | usr_rob | amphi: "etch" |
| 21:41.07 | amphi | usr_rob: ah, dunno then |
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| 21:41.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: I backed up my installation, deleted the three 750GB partitions, and made three 14GB partitions instead, so that I can test without having to wait 3 hours for RAID resyncs |
| 21:41.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:41.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: I restored the backup onto all three partitions, and booted each one directly, and none had problems |
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| 21:41.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: Then I made a RAID of them and restored the backup onto that, and it still had no problems |
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| 21:42.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: i tried using the RAID with encryption on top but no LVM, but I had initrd problems with that... right now I'm getting ready to try the smaller RAID with both encryption and LVM |
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| 21:42.48 | Wyzard | (i.e. the same configuration i had before, but with a smaller array) |
| 21:42.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: what about lvm (no enc) ? |
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| 21:43.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: haven't tried that yet, but I plan to |
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| 21:45.03 | usr_rob | amphi: is this the right one that you have ? deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: couldn't you do this with 1GB partitions ? :) |
| 21:46.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, I've already installed a bunch of stuff on the system, including UT2004 |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | gamer! |
| 21:46.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: and one of my test cases for the corruption problem is installing a certain UT2004 patch... it always causes corruption to occur on a certain file |
| 21:47.32 | enouf | Wyzard: have you tried with other than reiserfs ? |
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| 21:51.29 | Wyzard | enouf: I haven't... I've thought about doing that, but since the cause of the problem appears to be at the block level rather than the filesystem level, it doesn't really seem necessary |
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| 21:51.50 | Wyzard | enouf: and I know how to reproduce it with reiserfs... for all I know, it'd happen with ext3 too but i'd have no way to elicit kernel messages telling me it's happening |
| 21:52.08 | Wyzard | enouf: I might give that a shot once I've exhausted all other options, though |
| 21:52.10 | enouf | Wyzard: appearances can be deceiving :-P |
| 21:52.22 | enouf | righto |
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| 21:54.16 | enouf | Wyzard: you;re using mdadm .. or dmraid? and is there a /boot on each of the Disks? or just one /boot a separate HDD |
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| 21:54.41 | Wyzard | enouf: How would putting a RAID array into degraded mode affect whether a filesystem bug manifests itself? |
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| 21:55.07 | Wyzard | enouf: /boot is on a separate 100MB ext3 partition which isn't involved in my troubleshooting |
| 21:55.25 | enouf | Wyzard: I'm not sure .. but how would it be at block level if removeing ANY of th three cause it to go away |
| 21:55.35 | Keeto | I'm trying to install vmware (as well as firefox manually) and am getting errors about missing librarys, though they are both present in /usr/lib and i can't figure out what is causing the problem, anyone ever hear about this before? |
| 21:55.58 | enouf | Wyzard: righto abnbout the /boot .. I figured that's why you were using an initrd |
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| 21:56.11 | enouf | wow .. what typos .. sheesh |
| 21:56.15 | Wyzard | enouf: My hypothesis is a bug in the RAID driver itself, though that's hard to believe |
| 21:56.28 | Wyzard | enouf: mdadm, btw |
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| 21:57.08 | enouf | Wyzard: well madducks your guy .. I recall reading about some Encryption issues and LVM .. but it's far from me atm :-( |
| 21:57.45 | enouf | Wyzard: have you recently looked through rootraiddoc.97.html lately? (with the mdadm pkg) |
| 21:59.05 | Wyzard | enouf: No, I haven't... but that seems to be about how to set up a system to use root-on-RAID |
| 21:59.12 | Wyzard | enouf: I don't have any problems with *booting* the system |
| 21:59.47 | enouf | Wyzard: yes .. but there are other tricks there too :-) .. btw , either the mailing list debian-boot or the channel may give you some answers/help |
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| 21:59.52 | kod | Hello. |
| 21:59.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: i don't think it is .. there's no issue when you use just standard RAID5 volume right ? |
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| 21:59.58 | Wyzard | enouf: but when I do certain things on the running system, like install that UT2004 patch or tar up the entire filesystem (to /dev/null) I get reiserfs warnings in dmesg |
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| 22:00.14 | enouf | Wyzard: FWIW .. hold a sec |
| 22:00.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: didn't seem to be, no... though that was with the freshly-created small array, not the original big array |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: see .. that's the part that makes me think it's not swraid |
| 22:01.04 | kod | I have created a page using a form and the "post" uses a file.PHP. but when I upload it on my debian dedicated server (php4 is installed) and i browse it.. when i click the submit button. the browser asks me if i want to download the file.php? do you know whats the problem? |
| 22:01.16 | enouf | Wyzard: what follows is a snippit from debian-amd64 earlier ; |
| 22:01.18 | enouf | [17:13:12] <jabr> Hmm, been any reports about system locking up due to processes like untaring kernel source producing insanely high load (19.00)? |
| 22:01.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe try swraid+lvm+enc+ext3 ? |
| 22:01.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: and thinking about it, I might have invalidated my UT2004 "test" by creating a new filesystem and dumping the files back onto it... the tree structure is probably different from what it was before |
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| 22:01.39 | enouf | Wyzard: Closer inspections points towards IO-related quirks - possibly bad ram or disk, though not likely. Maby something in my raid-lvm2-evms-setup perhaps? (I'm sorry if this is the wrong chan for this sort of stuff.) |
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| 22:02.17 | Wyzard | enouf: The first thing I did when I built the system a few days ago was run memtest overnight, and I ran another two passes of it yesterday... no problems found in either case |
| 22:02.20 | enouf | Wyzard: just so you know it may be a problem happening elsewhere too .. |
| 22:02.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: you could try bonnie? |
| 22:02.58 | Wyzard | enouf: I'm wondering if it might be a marginal heat-related thing, though... maybe the extra work of doing the encryption was pushing it over the edge |
| 22:03.01 | kod | Hello. |
| 22:03.02 | kod | I have created a page using a form and the "post" uses a file.PHP. but when I upload it on my debian dedicated server (php4 is installed) and i browse it.. when i click the submit button. the browser asks me if i want to download the file.php? do you know whats the problem? |
| 22:03.10 | enouf | Wyzard: unfortunately it wasn't resolved yet either for that guy .. one channel squater responded with maybe it's a bad disk (or similar) |
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| 22:03.55 | Wyzard | enouf: I'm pretty sure it's not a bad disk, but a few minutes ago the system hung during POST with a diagnostic code that says it was while testing the RAM, and after turning it off the RAM felt fairly hot |
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| 22:04.09 | Wyzard | enouf: I had the side panel off the case, though, so it wasn't getting normal airflow |
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| 22:04.40 | enouf | Wyzard: place a standing fan next to it :-) |
| 22:04.50 | Eclipser | when is gtkmm 2.10 coming to sid? :) |
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| 22:05.04 | Wyzard | enouf: Yeah, I'm gonna try that... right now I'm working on getting the system back to a state where the problem does occur |
| 22:05.15 | Wyzard | enouf: (I'm still having ramdisk issues, plus I'm folding laundry at the same time) |
| 22:05.18 | enouf | Wyzard: that should be enough to help eliminate any heat issues |
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| 22:13.40 | Red_Cloud | enouf since mounting hda4 to /mnt/tmp/hda4 I cannot boot into that OS. How do I go about unmounting it? |
| 22:14.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:14.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 22:15.09 | itchi | When i try to build qemu i get the following error, when doing 'debuild -uc -us -b && sudo debi' : http://pastebin.ca/246912 What's going wrong exactly? |
| 22:15.10 | enouf | Red_Cloud: "rm /mnt/tmp/hda4 |
| 22:15.15 | Eulex | !abrotmoo |
| 22:15.15 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 22:15.21 | bronze_|| | must be an anorexic bovine.. |
| 22:15.38 | Red_Cloud | enouf will do |
| 22:15.52 | enouf | Red_Cloud: if it dails try "rm -d /mnt/tmp/hda4" |
| 22:16.09 | CHodapp | !moo |
| 22:16.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 22:17.02 | enouf | Red_Cloud: actually "rm -rd /mnt/tmp" will get of of both /tmp and /hda4 .. and they were only mount points .. so no loss whatsoever |
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| 22:17.20 | enouf | s/of of/rid/of |
| 22:17.30 | enouf | d'oh! |
| 22:18.34 | sartan | noticed the netinstall image of debian doesn't have any support for my sata controller. i'm wondering if there is a difference in the installers for the full iso and the netinstall versions as far as modules go |
| 22:19.11 | axolx | hi folks -- is it possible to have 2 network cards under the same subnet? right now i have one 192.168.1.* and the other 192.168.2.*, and i'd like to have them such that clients connected to those cards are treated equally for firewalling, etc? i dont even know what to google for :) |
| 22:19.18 | itchi | sartan: Is that an decent computer? |
| 22:19.28 | Wyzard | sartan: You might have better luck with etch... SATA support is a relatively new thing and it's matured a lot since sarge was released a year and a half ago |
| 22:19.29 | sartan | half-decent. dual pIII 850s. |
| 22:19.49 | itchi | axolx: Near so much as you want |
| 22:19.50 | sartan | just dropped in a nice sataII card and 3 320gb sata II hds. |
| 22:20.09 | enouf | sartan which SATA card? |
| 22:20.12 | Red_Cloud | enouf done |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | axolx: huh ? |
| 22:20.20 | enouf | Red_Cloud: better? |
| 22:20.24 | itchi | sartan: Some recent stuff are not yet support be somethings that not know about that new stuff |
| 22:20.35 | sartan | Promise SATA300 TX4 SataII controller |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | axolx: you can have two cards on the same subnet .. but i don't think that's your issue |
| 22:20.42 | enouf | Red_Cloud: did you do that last one? "rm -rd /mnt/tmp" ? |
| 22:20.45 | sartan | there are redhat and suse drivers for it from promise.com |
| 22:20.49 | Red_Cloud | enouf yep hda4 is now unmounted |
| 22:20.53 | sartan | and they do offer 2.4 sourcecode for it |
| 22:21.04 | sartan | but modprobing sata_promise says no drivers |
| 22:21.26 | sartan | Thanks Wyzard, i'm downloading the netinst for testing now |
| 22:21.43 | axolx | abrotman: i want the 2 cards to act like they are one, so that connecting 2 clients (1 in each card) is the same as connecting them to a hub connected to only 1 of the cards. makes sense? |
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| 22:22.10 | abrotman | axolx: but the two cards are really on different subnets ? |
| 22:22.25 | sartan | i think i'll be able to nail it if i can somehow get that module compiled and loaded up for the busybox kernel for sarge's netinst image. |
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| 22:22.33 | axolx | abrotman: right now they are, but i dont want that. |
| 22:22.39 | Wyzard | axolx: You want to look into ethernet bridging |
| 22:22.46 | abrotman | axolx: but you want different subnets to be able to reach them ? |
| 22:22.52 | peterS | sartan: I note kernel 2.6.17 (from etch) supports several more cards in sata_promise.c than 2.6.8 (from sarge) does |
| 22:22.52 | Wyzard | axolx: If you bridge the cards together they literally act like a 2-port switch |
| 22:23.03 | peterS | sartan: including "SATAII150 Tx4" which may or may not be the same as your board |
| 22:23.05 | sartan | thanks for checking peterS |
| 22:23.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: channel bonding ? |
| 22:23.11 | sartan | that is the same, yes |
| 22:23.14 | Wyzard | axolx: and you get a new interface called "br0", representing the combination of the two, which you assign an IP to |
| 22:23.16 | sartan | a buddy of mine has the 150 i've got the 300 |
| 22:23.18 | axolx | Wyzard: ah.. i think that's what i want. plus you give me the keyword so i can start searching :) |
| 22:23.20 | Red_Cloud | enouf I find it amazing that you can reach out of an OS and effect another OS. I do hope that my Linux is hidden from Windows. |
| 22:23.32 | axolx | Wyzard: do you know of a good bridgin doc? |
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| 22:25.56 | peterS | sartan: 'lspci -n | grep 105a' - does it mention "105a:3d18"? That is the SATAII150 Tx4, apparently |
| 22:25.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:25.56 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:26.07 | peterS | Red_Cloud: best way to ensure that is not to _have_ windows on the machine. though even then you are vulnerable to someone booting their favorite OS from CD and poking around your filesystem |
| 22:26.23 | sartan | 3d18 is |
| 22:26.26 | MickMcMack | I'm not sure what I did, but I seem to have killed my apt: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JRlB2449.html |
| 22:26.27 | sartan | but i'll check |
| 22:33.46 | MickMcMack | It segfaults whenever I apt-get install package-that-exists |
| 22:33.46 | ds5-out | damn |
| 22:33.46 | peterS | sartan: good, then if you install etch (or upgrade to a newish 2.6 kernel in some other way), you'll probably have the use of your sata card |
| 22:34.05 | sartan | unfortunately my system ground to a halt, hard drives fail. i don't have a working system to compile a new kernel |
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| 22:34.34 | bokey | oops! |
| 22:34.34 | lindenle|shift | !rats |
| 22:34.34 | bokey | welcome! |
| 22:34.34 | ToxicSun | thats what we get for building this neighborhood on an indian burial ground |
| 22:34.34 | ds5 | lol |
| 22:34.34 | MickMcMack | My poor computer. ;_; |
| 22:34.34 | MickMcMack | I'm not sure what I did, but I seem to have killed my apt: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JRlB2449.html It segfaults whenever I apt-get install package-that-exists |
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| 22:34.35 | ToxicSun | thats what we get for building this neighborhood on an indian burial ground |
| 22:34.35 | ToxicSun | er |
| 22:34.35 | ToxicSun | IRC server |
| 22:34.35 | peterS | you built a neighborhood on an IRC server? |
| 22:34.35 | sartan | although i'm pretty sure that the promise.com driver they offer on their site will do the job. |
| 22:34.35 | MickMcMack | Sorry for asking the question twice, the netsplit and all... >_> |
| 22:34.36 | ToxicSun | haha no thats second life |
| 22:34.36 | peterS | sartan: yeah if you can get it built. my experience with vendor-provided drivers is that they're generally a PITA to get installed and working |
| 22:34.36 | sartan | it's my only hope! ;) |
| 22:34.36 | bokey | that was a long one =) |
| 22:34.36 | ToxicSun | my girlfriend heard you could make money in second life and was like where do i sign up and then i explained to her it takes roughly 500 linden dollars to make one US dollar |
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| 22:34.37 | bokey | why is invoke-rc.d _whatever_ stop|start proper way ? |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | bokey: so sayeth the guide ? |
| 22:34.37 | itchi | Heh, i got 'freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION from itchi:' and i not did it! |
| 22:34.38 | peterS | bokey: as a normal admin, it's not needed. from scripts, it is useful because if the admin has disabled a service in a particular runlevel, invoke-rc.d will respect this choice |
| 22:34.38 | Wyzard | bokey: because it means you don't have to rely on any particular on-disk location or structure for the init scripts |
| 22:34.38 | amphi | itchi: huh? |
| 22:34.38 | peterS | Wyzard: that's secondary, as the LSB has mandated use of /etc/init.d anyway |
| 22:34.38 | abrotman | itchi: that's normal |
| 22:34.39 | itchi | Ohyea, that's the DCC then?? |
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| 22:34.39 | itchi | s/CTCP/DCC ?? |
| 22:34.39 | peterS | itchi: it's a CTCP VERSION request, as it looks like. it's done by a freenode bot automatically so they can gather statistics |
| 22:34.40 | itchi | amphi: Yup |
| 22:34.40 | amphi | itchi: good ;) |
| 22:34.40 | bokey | Wyzard# sorry didn't understand your bit =) |
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| 22:34.41 | itchi | peterS: ah ok, nothings suspicious then ;-) |
| 22:34.41 | abrotman | itchi: ignore it |
| 22:34.41 | itchi | abrotman: okay ;-) |
| 22:34.41 | itchi | amphi: heh, laptop work so fine now :-p |
| 22:34.41 | peterS | itchi: you can still change your client to send some false string in reply to a CTCP VERSION request, as I have done |
| 22:34.41 | itchi | peterS: Using irssi here |
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| 22:34.42 | kantlivelong | is there a way to keep rxvt from closing when i do `rxvt -e ps`? |
| 22:34.42 | amphi | itchi: what more is working? |
| 22:34.42 | peterS | itchi: /set ctcp_version_reply "....."; |
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| 22:34.42 | bokey | peterS# what's LSB ? |
| 22:34.42 | itchi | amphi: Everything now :-p there was no more so many lefted; you have solve all my last troubles :-) |
| 22:34.43 | bokey | peterS# and thanks =) |
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| 22:34.43 | itchi | peterS: hhhmm |
| 22:34.44 | peterS | bokey: the Linux Standard Base, a group trying to standardize various aspects of Linux distributions |
| 22:34.49 | amphi | itchi: excellent - 3d accel working? |
| 22:35.08 | itchi | amphi: Yup, that i have not yet done. It work but it's realy poor i find |
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| 22:35.24 | amphi | itchi: in what way? |
| 22:35.39 | amphi | itchi: you are using a free driver? |
| 22:35.42 | peterS | bokey: the main point of the LSB is that someone can provide a Linux package of their software which follows LSB requirements and it will work on all LSB-compliant distributions. part of this is requirements for /etc/init.d scripts, so that software can install one of those and it will work |
| 22:36.10 | MickMcMack | Why would apt segfault on me whenever I try to install/remove/update? :( |
| 22:36.21 | bokey | peterS# aha.. i c. |
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| 22:36.26 | itchi | amphi: For example in 'torcs' i can not select an higher resolution than 640x480. The many chocks i get in the games. I use the i810 driver |
| 22:36.28 | peterS | MickMcMack: the usual reason is corrupt /var/cache/apt/*.bin files. delete them and run apt-get update again |
| 22:36.40 | amphi | itchi: torcs? |
| 22:36.50 | peterS | MickMcMack: (those files are generated by 'apt-get update') |
| 22:36.57 | abrotman | amphi: apt-cache show ? |
| 22:37.01 | broadcaster | great, since thunderbird is called icedove, enigmail does not work anymore. at least the debian package doesn't. *GRIND* |
| 22:37.02 | itchi | am Yea an reace gameùa |
| 22:37.13 | itchi | amphi: And that console trouble also ;-) |
| 22:37.26 | tarzeau | bokey, peterS: lsb is a dead end |
| 22:37.26 | MickMcMack | peterS: Yessir. |
| 22:37.35 | amphi | itchi: did you read man i810? it may have useful options |
| 22:37.48 | bokey | tarzeau# why ? |
| 22:37.50 | peterS | tarzeau: for the purpose of the question I answered which mentioned the LSB, that doesn't matter |
| 22:37.55 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, heh, i have not yet look to it ;-) |
| 22:37.56 | tarzeau | bokey: because it's limited to linux |
| 22:38.04 | amphi | itchi: ah ;) |
| 22:38.07 | MickMcMack | Thanks peterS. :) |
| 22:38.08 | tarzeau | peterS: nice, i felt like adding my comment |
| 22:38.14 | amphi | itchi: is it an agp card? |
| 22:38.16 | itchi | amphi: Here it's with the defaults values ;-) |
| 22:38.17 | bokey | tarzeau# but linux is a huge OS already |
| 22:38.25 | peterS | MickMcMack: did that help, then? |
| 22:38.31 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, it's on the laptop, an onboard i think |
| 22:38.32 | tarzeau | bokey: since when does size matter? |
| 22:38.33 | amphi | itchi: they may be the best, I don't have such a card |
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| 22:38.42 | MickMcMack | peterS: Yessir, works perfectly now. |
| 22:38.45 | peterS | cool |
| 22:38.45 | tarzeau | bokey: and no, linux still is nothing else but a kernel |
| 22:38.55 | bokey | tarzeau# you said LSB is only limited to Linux. |
| 22:39.10 | tarzeau | !LSB |
| 22:39.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 22:39.14 | bokey | tarzeau# yeah I know. |
| 22:39.20 | peterS | tarzeau: yawn. LSB makes linux much more than just a kernel. your point was, again? |
| 22:39.25 | amphi | itchi: it might be an idea to look on linux-laptop.net for a model with the same card and see if there are any config tips |
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| 22:39.34 | tarzeau | peterS: that the LSB hinders free software |
| 22:39.40 | tarzeau | peterS: and does linux no good |
| 22:39.46 | peterS | how does it hinder free software? |
| 22:39.52 | tarzeau | peterS: in many ways |
| 22:39.54 | peterS | how does it hinder free software? |
| 22:39.57 | abrotman | name three! |
| 22:40.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: go sleep, it was 10 pm already |
| 22:40.07 | itchi | amphi: Yup, i'm writing the howto for my brand and model ;-) |
| 22:40.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: not here .. now name three! |
| 22:40.21 | itchi | amphi: There are not yet one for this model |
| 22:40.22 | abrotman | or you can't i bet |
| 22:40.28 | tarzeau | if you can't think of anyone, that's bitter |
| 22:40.29 | jelly-home | Is there such a thing as a RAID1, not block based, but file based? Ie. some sort of unionfs-like fs that can keep two directory trees synced and changing a file would transparently update both. |
| 22:40.32 | tarzeau | i'll not think for you |
| 22:40.43 | abrotman | right .. i thought so |
| 22:40.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've told them already, no need to repeat myself |
| 22:40.57 | amphi | itchi: your model is not the only laptop with that video card... |
| 22:41.00 | peterS | translation: "ok, maybe not in many ways after all" |
| 22:41.07 | bokey | peterS# thanks =) |
| 22:41.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: i haven't seen them .. please repeat just a mere three |
| 22:41.09 | amphi | itchi: I presume ;) |
| 22:41.11 | tarzeau | peterS: i disagree |
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| 22:41.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: since you have so many .. this should be easy for you |
| 22:41.23 | peterS | tarzeau: you can disagree but if you can't back it up we have no reason to believe you |
| 22:41.24 | amphi | itchi: what card is it? ask lspci |
| 22:41.31 | jelly-home | itchi: where's skratchi? |
| 22:41.36 | bokey | peterS# what about lkml guys ? do they work/collaborate along with LSB committee ? |
| 22:42.12 | itchi | amphi: Yup right ;-) Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 22:42.25 | sartan | hey peter was does sata_promise look for? mine says 105a:3d17 |
| 22:42.27 | peterS | bokey: well, LSB mainly just standardizes things that are already common practice. the linux kernel pretty much sets its own path, the LSB doesn't tell it what to do. the LSB looks at the kernel and says "see, this is how the kernel needs to behave" and any distributions that patch their kernels have to make sure their patches are not LSB problems |
| 22:42.29 | sartan | is it just looking for 105a ? |
| 22:42.30 | itchi | jelly-home: He is on #debian-belgium :-) |
| 22:42.34 | amphi | itchi: and you run etch? |
| 22:42.42 | itchi | amphi: Yup |
| 22:43.01 | peterS | sartan: it looks for specific cards. 105a:3d17 is one thing it looks for. |
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| 22:43.11 | sartan | excellent |
| 22:43.14 | sartan | i should expect support then. |
| 22:43.22 | peterS | sartan: 105a:3d18 is the one I mentioned earlier but 105a:3d17 is also on the list |
| 22:43.29 | amphi | itchi: what resolution is your screen? |
| 22:43.31 | sartan | i am happy |
| 22:43.45 | axolx | hey guys -- what package contains `startkde` ? i keep reading about that command online, but it did not get installed with the kde global package in my Etch machine |
| 22:43.46 | bokey | peterS# ahh!! i c =) more of standard compliance.. like MS does =) but LSB is comparatively a lot open than its counterparts |
| 22:43.59 | tarzeau | peterS, abrotman http://www.freestandards.org/en/LSB_Roadmap |
| 22:44.09 | tarzeau | peterS, abrotman it's discouraging new ideas and software |
| 22:44.13 | peterS | bokey: as I said, the LSB mainly just documents things most people are already doing, it doesn't invent new requirements out of thin air |
| 22:44.23 | tarzeau | and setting limits that may not be easily implemented/applied to non linux systems |
| 22:44.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: point out which paragraph says that please |
| 22:44.29 | itchi | amphi: 1280x800 i think! |
| 22:44.30 | tarzeau | free software is in no way limited to linux |
| 22:44.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: Desktop one, for example |
| 22:44.45 | itchi | amphi: At least that's what i he can do and i want :-p |
| 22:45.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: the LSB doesn't apply to non-linux systems .. problem solved |
| 22:45.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about debian? |
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| 22:45.26 | itchi | amphi: I'm on Xfce now and not see it clearly, normally it should be 1280x800 if everything is right, what it looks |
| 22:45.27 | bokey | peterS# okay. =) no further quesyion have I got. =) master yoda |
| 22:45.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: which debian port? Debian GNU/Linux or some other one that only you use ? |
| 22:45.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian wants lsb, but debian wants also GNU (Hurd) and GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 22:45.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: the latter, and i'm not alone for sure |
| 22:45.56 | peterS | tarzeau: so the Hurd port ignores the LSB requirements. I don't see how that hurts anyone. |
| 22:46.20 | abrotman | i also don't see how it discourages new ideas |
| 22:46.26 | tarzeau | maybe i miss the point what LSB is good for (if it is good for anything) |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | or discourages new software |
| 22:46.39 | amphi | itchi: uhuh |
| 22:46.41 | peterS | tarzeau: maybe I miss the point what harm LSB causes to anyone |
| 22:46.52 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, default 32MB is only allowed to that card?? That's looks the problem i think |
| 22:47.20 | amphi | itchi: shared mem? you can give it more, I don't know how |
| 22:47.20 | bokey | abrotman# what new ideas are left ? hehe.. ? everything's already implemented in Gnu/Linux |
| 22:47.29 | abrotman | bokey: not really |
| 22:47.44 | abrotman | bokey: there are always new ideas .. but apparently tarzeau says those will never happen because of the LSB |
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| 22:48.07 | itchi | amphi: The xorg is configured to use 1280x800, if i look to that gui of xfce he is on 1024x800 but that's not true |
| 22:48.10 | bokey | abrotman# meaning that LSB has strict requirements and compliance ? |
| 22:48.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's also older ideas, but LSB just acted like they don't even exist |
| 22:48.44 | peterS | and this ... somehow hurts us? prevents anyone outside the LSB from adopting those ideas? |
| 22:48.45 | itchi | amphi: I guess i should trust xorg and not that little gui? |
| 22:48.48 | abrotman | bokey: dunno .. tarzeau hasn't proven anything yet :) |
| 22:48.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe i mean FHS |
| 22:49.12 | peterS | the LSB includes the FHS. the FHS, however, is not Linux-specific. |
| 22:49.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: how does the FHS cause problems ? |
| 22:49.21 | tarzeau | peterS: yes it is |
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| 22:49.26 | peterS | no it isn't |
| 22:49.30 | bokey | tarzeau# what's FHS ? |
| 22:49.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: read the lsb-fhs |
| 22:49.31 | itchi | amphi: I have found here in the man i810 how to add more with the 'VideoRam' entry |
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| 22:49.38 | tarzeau | and how people enforce it |
| 22:49.41 | streuner | !fhs |
| 22:49.42 | dpkg | hmm... fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 22:49.44 | tarzeau | bokey: crap |
| 22:49.44 | peterS | bokey: it's extremely google-friendly, look it up (: |
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| 22:50.15 | bokey | peterS# ok ok.. i'll =) |
| 22:50.18 | amphi | itchi: that could be good |
| 22:50.19 | peterS | tarzeau: any answer of the form "read this document and then you will understand why I say such-and-such" is worthless. either you can tell us facts or you cannot |
| 22:50.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: FHS is not linux specific .. and how does it stifle new ideas/software ? |
| 22:50.39 | itchi | amphi: Yup i think to, i finish first reading (and understanding) ;-) |
| 22:50.42 | denmaeth | i need help w/ network problem : about once a day i loose net work connection so i do a ifconfig -a ath0 down and them ifconfig -a ath0 up then i can log into my router but cant connect to the internet untill i reboot. any ideas? |
| 22:50.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: nobody else but linux people want FHS |
| 22:51.03 | amphi | itchi: google pulls up quite a lot for "945GM/GMS/940GML Express" and xorg |
| 22:51.06 | peterS | tarzeau: that does not mean it is Linux-specific |
| 22:51.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: that doesn't make it linux specific |
| 22:51.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: FHS don't allow other directory structures but the one they have |
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| 22:51.34 | peterS | tarzeau: correct, that's the WHOLE POINT |
| 22:51.34 | jelly-home | tarzeau: of course, that's its purpose! |
| 22:51.37 | tarzeau | it does, since nobody else can use/put software like FHS defines it |
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| 22:51.50 | streuner | denmaeth: did you look at the logs? |
| 22:51.55 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i'm just sayint this purpose is a dead end |
| 22:51.58 | pet | !ops abrotman |
| 22:51.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: pet complains about: abrotman |
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| 22:52.09 | abrotman | peterS: that's the same troll/idiot from earlier |
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| 22:52.13 | itchi | amphi: Yup, gona look to it |
| 22:52.14 | peterS | abrotman: yeah I noticed |
| 22:52.17 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:52.19 | abrotman | !beer peterrooney |
| 22:52.21 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 22:52.25 | abrotman | trade if you want! |
| 22:52.35 | peterS | I wasn't here earlier but I got plenty of crap highlights |
| 22:52.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: IBM supports FHS .. they don't make a Linux |
| 22:52.40 | denmaeth | streuner, which one do i want to look at? |
| 22:52.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: ibm has other interests |
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| 22:53.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: they've got a good reason to do so |
| 22:53.09 | streuner | denmaeth: start with /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
| 22:53.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: like eating your babies ? |
| 22:53.14 | jelly-home | tarzeau: what's your point? |
| 22:53.15 | peterS | speaking of dead ends, tarzeau, is your interest in FHS issues related to Darwin? |
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| 22:53.23 | denmaeth | ok ill look |
| 22:53.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: Random bit of trivia: If a device contains a reiserfs, and then you run pvcreate on it in order to use it for LVM instead, it still looks like a reiserfs according to the "fstype" program that mkinitramfs puts into the ramdisk |
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| 22:53.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: This was the cause of the initrd problems I've been troubleshooting for the past hour :-( |
| 22:53.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: that sounds .. bad :) |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | or not fun anyways |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
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| 22:54.09 | tarzeau | peterS: if you mean Mac OS X, yes to one half |
| 22:54.12 | Wyzard | abrotman: The script would prompt for the password and set up the encryption layer, but then it wouldn't set up the LVM on top of it because it didn't think it was an LVM device |
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| 22:54.21 | jelly-home | Wyzard: sounds like a misfeature in fstype |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | open darwin is dead .. |
| 22:54.51 | peterS | Wyzard: that's probably true for several filesystems. pvcreate just doesn't wipe out the identifying data. NTFS for example would probably be the same |
| 22:54.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: says who? |
| 22:55.02 | abrotman | says open darwin |
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| 22:55.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: the source is there |
| 22:55.15 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Well, I'm guessing LVM signatures go at the end of the device like RAID signatures do, rather than at the beginning |
| 22:55.30 | Wyzard | so the filesystem header at the beginning remains intact |
| 22:55.50 | peterS | or maybe tarzeau's antipathy toward the FHS is related to DJBware? DJB isn't so hot on filesystem standards he doesn't get to control |
| 22:55.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: you still haven't proven how LSB or FHS stifle new ideas |
| 22:56.01 | Wyzard | nonetheless, it's irritating to have to spend an hour debugging an initramfs just so I can get back to troubleshooting the *other* problem I've been working on all day :-) |
| 22:56.18 | peterS | Wyzard: heh |
| 22:56.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: they don't allow different directory structure models |
| 22:56.31 | abrotman | so what? |
| 22:56.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: that simple, send them a mail with any other ideas, and they just ignore it |
| 22:56.37 | denmaeth | streuner, in var/log/messages i found Nov 12 14:22:26 debian kernel: device ath0 left promiscuous mode |
| 22:56.38 | bokey | peterS# FHS is LSB working committees requirements on how to setup Linux system's fs ? |
| 22:56.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a crap standard |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | your new idea is to put all binaries in /gurkan/ ? |
| 22:56.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it's set by narrow minded people |
| 22:56.52 | peterS | tarzeau: I fail to see why innovation requires being able to change your directory structure models |
| 22:56.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: that think they know best |
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| 22:57.10 | tarzeau | peterS: i'm sorry if you fail to see |
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| 22:57.14 | Wyzard | tarzeau: The whole point of a standard is that it specifies what everyone should do, and doesn't allow completely different nonstandard stuff |
| 22:57.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: then you can rally against it .. but since you still can't prove a damn thing .. i doubt you'll get any help |
| 22:57.48 | peterS | bokey: FHS isn't really part of the LSB, it's just that the LSB says "also, we require FHS compliance" |
| 22:57.49 | njs | my solfege package is borked, can't seem to upgrade or remove it... any ideas? error message: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sPP8XE67.html |
| 22:57.49 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Do you complain that there's no <opengl> tag in HTML? |
| 22:57.49 | tarzeau | Wyzard: there's other standards, and other systems |
| 22:57.49 | tarzeau | Wyzard: no, but it never was intended to be so |
| 22:57.49 | Wyzard | tarzeau: And anyone is free to build a Linux system that doesn't follow the FHS |
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| 22:57.52 | streuner | denmaeth: what kernel do you use, btw? (cat /proc/version) |
| 22:57.53 | tarzeau | Wyzard: but when FHS was written there existed 2/3 other ways |
| 22:57.55 | Wyzard | tarzeau: and that's OK, because that system was never intended to be FHS-compliant |
| 22:57.56 | bokey | peterS# ahh.. okay they are 2 seperate working committee then. |
| 22:57.58 | tarzeau | Wyzard: and they just ignored it |
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| 22:58.04 | peterS | yeah |
| 22:58.11 | tarzeau | Wyzard: no but fhs had a goal, and they miserably failed |
| 22:58.18 | black_13 | how do i disable system bell in kde |
| 22:58.19 | u221e | Did you guys hear yet that the PS3 is an open system? Any linux distro will be installable... |
| 22:58.21 | tarzeau | Wyzard: true, anyone is free to do so |
| 22:58.28 | Maakuth | u221e, wtf |
| 22:58.30 | Guerin | u221e: theoretically |
| 22:58.31 | denmaeth | streuner, Linux version 2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 22:58.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i doubt anyone in here can help to improve the fhs |
| 22:58.46 | denmaeth | debian etch |
| 22:58.48 | Guerin | u221e: of course, 'open' means different things in sonyese than in any other language |
| 22:58.49 | jelly-home | u221e: is this Debian related? |
| 22:58.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: when i failed to do so |
| 22:58.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: There's a distro available that uses the filesystem as a package manager, with every library and application completely self-contained in its own directory |
| 22:58.59 | Guerin | u221e: it's even morse than applese in that regard |
| 22:59.03 | streuner | denmaeth: hm, that's NOT the whole output, are you care to tell us the whole message? :-) |
| 22:59.05 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i know |
| 22:59.06 | u221e | jelly-home, uh, yes. |
| 22:59.09 | peterS | jelly-home: it's not really any less debian-related than ranting about how the FHS stifles OS X |
| 22:59.10 | u221e | http://www.powerdeveloper.org/news.php?id=274 |
| 22:59.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: then try to get it done away with .. you're welcome to try .. but since you seemingly have no ground to stand on .. doubt it will work |
| 22:59.16 | u221e | Linux kernel patches ^^^ |
| 22:59.22 | denmaeth | streuner, Linux version 2.6.16-2-k7 (Debian 2.6.16-18) (fs@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060730 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-6)) #1 Fri Aug 18 19:48:42 UTC 2006 |
| 22:59.25 | jelly-home | peterS: point :-) |
| 22:59.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: GoBo ? |
| 22:59.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not like i try to have it improved, i'd rather like it see dead |
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| 22:59.50 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I don't consider it a bug in the FHS that it doesn't incorporate that type of design, but that doesn't prevent people from building a distro that does it |
| 22:59.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: yep, that's the one |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: then do it .. but you haven't proven it stifles new ideas/software .. so it won't happen |
| 22:59.59 | peterS | tarzeau: put appropriate keywords into your email killfile and you can pretend it _is_ dead. just like the BSDs. |
| 23:00.06 | streuner | denmaeth: hm, so the the WLAN driver is from the kernel itself, no third party driver? |
| 23:00.07 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i never said it prevents anyone doing something |
| 23:00.08 | sartan | ha! |
| 23:00.13 | sartan | got the default netinst to find my image |
| 23:00.19 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it just discourages any other innovative thing |
| 23:00.28 | sartan | install26 or something. there's a 2.6 kernel with the netinst cd anyway |
| 23:00.28 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 23:00.32 | denmaeth | i think im useing madwifi |
| 23:00.50 | jelly-home | tarzeau: nothing stops you to create and promote a better filesystem standard. |
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| 23:00.50 | sartan | and then just pop over to the alt+2 combination window and manually modprobe sata_promise |
| 23:00.52 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that's true yes |
| 23:01.00 | peterS | tarzeau: also, the FHS isn't stagnant. it evolves over time to incorporate new ideas that are useful, as opposed to ones that are stupid |
| 23:01.08 | njs | this discussion is fascinating, but can anyone help with my wedged package? :-) |
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| 23:01.11 | itguru | Is it possible to get a linux machine to request a certain port to be forwarded to it from a router? as in uPnP? |
| 23:01.14 | bokey | peterS# AFAIS, my debian system looks LSB and FHS compliant. or is debian not LSB compliant ? |
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| 23:01.33 | peterS | bokey: debian is very very close to LSB compliant. I think there may still be a few details to iron out. |
| 23:01.50 | Wyzard | bokey: Debian has an "lsb" package that provides some core LSB stuff, but as the description of that package says, it doesn't mean Debian is actually LSB-compliant |
| 23:01.56 | denmaeth | streuner, i am useing madwifi |
| 23:01.56 | Wyzard | bokey: so you could say partially-compliant |
| 23:02.05 | streuner | denmaeth: got that :-) |
| 23:02.06 | peterS | bokey: you have to install the 'lsb' package to make it LSB-compliant. for those of us who don't really care about LSB compliance, we don't bother to install 'lsb' |
| 23:02.12 | Guerin | LSB is like a UN covenant |
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| 23:02.18 | abrotman | bokey: the goal is to have etch be LSB compliant |
| 23:02.19 | njs | "lsb-compliant" is not all that meaningful anyway |
| 23:02.19 | bokey | peterS, Wyzard# ahh.. I see.. |
| 23:02.20 | Guerin | intention is usually enough |
| 23:02.29 | Wyzard | bokey: Debian does strive to be FHS-compliant... FHS violations are considered RC bugs, I believe |
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| 23:02.49 | peterS | yes, they are, unless there's a really good reason for a particular case, which does occasionally happen |
| 23:02.55 | streuner | denmaeth: search via groups.google.com to a similar problem |
| 23:03.14 | bokey | peterS, abrotman, Wyzard# one question. is windows LSB compliant? |
| 23:03.24 | bokey | -! |
| 23:03.25 | abrotman | bokey: windows is not linux ? |
| 23:03.28 | Wyzard | Windows is not Linux so LSB doesn't apply to it |
| 23:03.29 | bokey | :) |
| 23:03.37 | streuner | denmaeth: and ask #madwifi about a bug |
| 23:03.45 | peterS | bokey: I think what you mean is POSIX-compliant. Windows is POSIX-compliant. |
| 23:03.54 | u221e | Guerin, know what to make of this: http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html |
| 23:04.02 | bokey | peterS# really ? POSIX ?? |
| 23:04.03 | njs | hmm, 'touch /usr/share/python-support/solfege.dirs' seems to have at least unwedged it, in case that helps anyone else. |
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| 23:04.17 | black_13 | how do i prevent the sound drivers from from loading |
| 23:04.17 | bokey | peterS# i didn't know that it was posix complaint. |
| 23:04.26 | abrotman | bokey: has been for quite a long time |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | !tell black_13 about blacklist |
| 23:04.44 | peterS | bokey: they had to write some posix stuff in order to get certain US government contracts that said "all platforms have to be posix-compliant". of course, it's a useless gesture because nobody uses the WinNT POSIX subsystem because it's crap, they use the Win32 subsystem instead |
| 23:04.49 | denmaeth | streuner, ok thanks - i just seems weird that i can connect to the router but not the internet untill i reboot just the machine |
| 23:04.55 | streuner | black_13: that's very hard nowadays |
| 23:05.21 | Guerin | u221e: it's a sony media release, it's worth less than nothing |
| 23:05.29 | Wyzard | u221e: It means Sony is starting to come out of its proprietary shell, which is nice |
| 23:05.32 | peterS | bokey: the reason for the US gov't requirement was so their software would be easy to port to a new platform if they wanted. of course, by using winnt and not using the posix features, that intention was made quite pointless |
| 23:05.36 | bokey | peterS# yeah most of the code out there for windows are win32 librarys. |
| 23:05.37 | black_13 | streuner the are loaded no mater what? |
| 23:05.43 | Guerin | Wyzard: hope springs eternal. |
| 23:05.46 | u221e | Wyzard, Maybe, but Guerin could be right... |
| 23:06.03 | streuner | black_13: well, read abrotman's advice (udev) |
| 23:06.05 | Wyzard | u221e: It's still not going to be a standard PC, though... it'll let you install alternative OSes on it, but it's not likely that standard Linux distros will work |
| 23:06.08 | peterS | bokey: right, the posix compliance of Windows NT is _strictly_ for being able to check off a feature list. nobody uses it, nobody at all. |
| 23:06.17 | bokey | peterS# umm.. pretty interesting. =) thanks. |
| 23:06.18 | Wyzard | u221e: We might see third-party PS3 distros spring up, though |
| 23:06.26 | streuner | black_13: we guess, of course, you are using udev |
| 23:06.27 | Guerin | use of 'allows' is probably a licensing issue. I would guess that compatibility would be coincidental, not intended. |
| 23:06.42 | black_13 | streuner my reason for asking is htat when i tab for auto completiong i get this load and annoying bell and im in a library and dont like disturbing the other patrons |
| 23:06.48 | black_13 | im using 2.6.8 |
| 23:07.04 | black_13 | no im not using udev |
| 23:07.05 | Wyzard | black_13: In a text console or in X? |
| 23:07.09 | Phated | black_13: Turn off the bell. |
| 23:07.10 | u221e | Although the docs on powerdeveloper are copyright Sony Computer Entertainment under the GNU Free Documentation License. |
| 23:07.15 | black_13 | x (kde) |
| 23:07.16 | Phated | black_13: man setterm, man xset. |
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| 23:07.25 | Wyzard | black_13: Look in the konsole options |
| 23:07.34 | faderhval | when installing python 2.4 on debian with apt-get where does apt-get put the binaries? |
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| 23:07.44 | peterS | faderhval: /usr/bin/python2.4, is that what you mean? |
| 23:07.46 | black_13 | i have tried xset and konsole |
| 23:07.46 | u221e | And they are pretty specific how you go about getting the bootloader to function. |
| 23:07.50 | black_13 | no avail |
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| 23:08.02 | black_13 | what i did was delete /dev/dsp* |
| 23:08.05 | Wyzard | black_13: You've "tried" konsole? |
| 23:08.09 | faderhval | peterS i'm not sure but i'll see |
| 23:08.12 | black_13 | yes |
| 23:08.26 | peterS | faderhval: you can type 'dpkg -L python2.4' to see where else it puts files |
| 23:08.26 | Wyzard | black_13: Deleting /dev/dsp to stop your terminal from beeping is pretty stupid |
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| 23:08.46 | black_13 | Wyzard yeah i have tried that i went to kde channel first i figured that it would be best place to starte |
| 23:08.48 | Wyzard | black_13: Konsole is the program that gives you a terminal window in KDE... what I mean is, find its options window and look for a checkbox to disable terminal beeps |
| 23:08.58 | faderhval | ok thank you peterS :) |
| 23:09.09 | Wyzard | black_13: gnome-terminal (the GNOME equivalent of Konsole) has one, so Konsole probably has one |
| 23:09.31 | bokey | peterS# is there a software to check whether a given distribution is LSB compliant (maybe a script or something??) |
| 23:09.35 | black_13 | Wyzard i have already tried and please be refrain from using "stupid" i dont call others that |
| 23:10.14 | streuner | s/stupid/isn't very clever/ |
| 23:10.16 | peterS | bokey: the LSB has testsuites to check compliance. see their web site |
| 23:10.28 | black_13 | s/stupid/is incorrect/ |
| 23:10.44 | Wyzard | black_13: OK, I'll rephrase: deleting /dev/dsp to stop your terminal from beeping is like building a brick wall across your house's front door to prevent burglars from breaking in at night |
| 23:10.48 | bokey | peterS# I am reading http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#INTRODUCTION atm.. ok i'll look it up |
| 23:10.49 | CHodapp | He didn't call you stupid, black_13 |
| 23:11.24 | black_13 | moving on |
| 23:11.27 | CHodapp | setterm blength 0 |
| 23:11.34 | streuner | to get those devices back, man MKDEV |
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| 23:11.44 | black_13 | i never really wanted them |
| 23:11.45 | Wyzard | CHodapp: That only works in a text console, not in X |
| 23:11.48 | CHodapp | hrm |
| 23:11.59 | CHodapp | wonder what I did in my X to disable them then |
| 23:12.01 | Wyzard | black_13: You don't want any sound support at all on your computer, ever? |
| 23:12.06 | CBG | dpkg: lart me |
| 23:12.14 | Phated | xset b off, actuallt :) |
| 23:12.17 | CHodapp | doesn't it use the PC speaker? |
| 23:12.21 | black_13 | its a development machine i dont play games |
| 23:12.29 | beardy | Phated: Hmm? |
| 23:12.40 | jelly-home | whatever, /dev/dsp is only the OSS compatibility device, arguably s?he's better off without it. ;-) |
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| 23:12.48 | Wyzard | black_13: well, games are hardly the only use for sound... there's music, for example |
| 23:12.51 | Phated | "xset b off" == how you turned off your console beep in x. |
| 23:12.52 | CHodapp | I don't play games either, but I've got a good sound card and speakers |
| 23:12.53 | CBG | apt: lart me |
| 23:12.56 | Wyzard | black_13: Anyway, the system beep isn't through the sound card |
| 23:13.09 | Phated | Clearly, just handing out the answer is no longer the solution. |
| 23:13.12 | streuner | jelly-home: hm, some apps still need /dev/dsp |
| 23:13.16 | beardy | Phated: What's up? |
| 23:13.25 | black_13 | deleting /dev/dsp* cured the problem |
| 23:13.30 | Phated | beardy: Nothing, what's up with you? |
| 23:13.31 | jelly-home | streuner: they suck and I wrap them in alsa-oss. |
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| 23:14.04 | Wyzard | black_13: Maybe konsole plays a wave file rather than using the system bell; I dunno |
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| 23:14.07 | beardy | Phated: Nothing.. just wondered about "Bah, fuckit.".. |
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| 23:14.15 | Wyzard | black_13: If you're using udev, that file will come back next time you reboot |
| 23:14.19 | Phated | beardy: Offtopic here. |
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| 23:14.27 | streuner | Wyzard: he doesn't |
| 23:14.30 | Wyzard | black_13: If not, have fun with your silent laptop and your brick wall |
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| 23:14.52 | beardy | Phated: Sure.. nevermind then. |
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| 23:15.13 | jelly-home | np: Depeche Mode - Enjoy the Silence |
| 23:15.23 | peterS | *beep* |
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| 23:15.26 | black_13 | im not using udev |
| 23:15.44 | streuner | so read man MAKEDEV :-) |
| 23:15.45 | cydork | jelly-home, the song? |
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| 23:15.52 | no_err | it's called die pesch mode |
| 23:16.09 | peterS | cydork: yeah 'np' means "Now playing" |
| 23:16.13 | jelly-home | cydork: it was just a pun on the current thread in the channel |
| 23:16.28 | Phated | peterS: .o/ |
| 23:16.42 | cydork | ahh ok |
| 23:17.22 | streuner | black_13: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-11-12 19:55 /dev/dsp |
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| 23:18.12 | bokey | peterS# found this http://www.opengroup.org/infosrv/lsb/ogdeliverables/LSB-FHS2.3beta/ |
| 23:18.42 | delire | i'm doing some socket programming on a Debian box. one annoying thing seems to be that /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout keeps the socket alive even after disconnection by my software client. on Solaris it's worse, 15min apparently. what is the rationale for keeping a socket open long after it's been used? |
| 23:18.56 | black_13 | streuner are you trying to tell me that during a reboot that MAKEDEV will recreate the devices? |
| 23:18.58 | abrotman | cost of reopening it ? |
| 23:19.30 | rumpl | delire, setsockopt(sockfd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, &one, sizeof(int) |
| 23:19.33 | delire | hardly a cost, anyway, sockets are supposed to be a tool for use in dynamic network contexts. seems strange. |
| 23:19.37 | streuner | black_13: no, iam going to tell you what kind of parameters you'll need to use 'MAKEDEV' :-) |
| 23:19.40 | delire | rumpl: ok. cheers. |
| 23:19.41 | rumpl | the SO_REUSEADDR thing. |
| 23:19.55 | black_13 | oh ok |
| 23:19.58 | black_13 | sure |
| 23:19.59 | Wyzard | black_13: You have to run MAKEDEV manually |
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| 23:20.10 | streuner | black_13: or the other option, you just install udev :-) |
| 23:20.27 | black_13 | i just dont see wht the draw back of delete the devices are |
| 23:20.27 | xingu | delire: besides, if you cleanly complete the FIN/ FIN+ACK it should clear immediately |
| 23:20.32 | Wyzard | streuner: It'd still be a good idea to recreate the node in the static /dev |
| 23:20.35 | streuner | (which is the easy solution) |
| 23:20.44 | xingu | delire: a socket which is waiting for tcp fin timeout is per term not cleanly closed |
| 23:20.50 | abrotman | rumpl: that's how to fix it .. but he asked why it would keep it open so long |
| 23:21.03 | delire | xingu: it should but it's not. my code is actually in python. i'm shutting down and closing the socket. |
| 23:21.08 | Wyzard | black_13: It's an ugly hack, basically |
| 23:21.15 | black_13 | so |
| 23:21.19 | delire | xingu: i'll keep looking at my code. thanks. |
| 23:21.24 | minerale | could someone point me in a good tutorial/guide to using the ssh key manager? |
| 23:21.25 | rumpl | abrotman, well, yes... for that he should rtfm a little |
| 23:21.26 | black_13 | life is an ugly hack |
| 23:21.34 | Wyzard | black_13: better to either blacklist the sound driver from loading, or configure the app to not play sound in the first place |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | rumpl: hehe |
| 23:21.48 | minerale | black_13: agreed, it needs more savepoints |
| 23:22.18 | black_13 | look at microsoft there is an ugly hack and they make money |
| 23:23.07 | Guerin | black_13: 1. create your market 2. create a product for that market 3. win |
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| 23:24.08 | xingu | I'm sure stolen underpants come into it somewhere |
| 23:24.55 | black_13 | i learned a lesson a couple days ago spent 3 days getting my desktop just right fixing a bunch of naging things with my debian box ... then my boss emailed where i was at on my project ... notice im working on the weekend ... i should have just left things alone and gotten the project done |
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| 23:25.36 | peterS | black_13: we don't notice you're working on the weekend. what we notice is that you're hanging out on irc on the weekend. maybe there is a lesson here. |
| 23:25.49 | black_13 | no life? |
| 23:25.53 | peterS | correct |
| 23:26.04 | black_13 | pererS i like you |
| 23:26.35 | streuner | well, that isn't correct |
| 23:26.37 | beardy | peterS: You're here too. ;) |
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| 23:26.54 | streuner | no everyone who stays here hasn't no life :-) |
| 23:26.55 | peterS | of course I am |
| 23:27.00 | streuner | s/no/not/ |
| 23:27.01 | black_13 | we happy few |
| 23:27.16 | black_13 | we band of freakos |
| 23:27.30 | peterS | but in an hour I go out and see _real people_ for 4 hours |
| 23:27.32 | beardy | streuner: You're trying to say you do? |
| 23:27.33 | bokey | you guys work together ? |
| 23:27.40 | abrotman | peterS: do they use debian? :) |
| 23:27.41 | streuner | hell, no :-) |
| 23:27.45 | peterS | having _human contact_ with _girls_ and everything! |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | peterS: your sisters don't count! |
| 23:27.58 | black_13 | i remember girls |
| 23:27.58 | cydork | mhhahah |
| 23:28.03 | black_13 | even women |
| 23:28.09 | cydork | abrotman, good one :P |
| 23:28.10 | black_13 | distantly |
| 23:28.17 | peterS | yeah I'm not saying it to make any kind of point except that I do have a tiny bit of a life |
| 23:28.36 | bokey | i get lot of sex =) |
| 23:28.42 | black_13 | can you loan a bit of it |
| 23:28.44 | abrotman | your sisters don't count |
| 23:28.48 | black_13 | hah! |
| 23:28.53 | Phated | Of course, what happens when there -are- girls around on #d? |
| 23:28.59 | rumpl | run forest, ruuuun!! |
| 23:29.10 | peterS | Phated: you don't count, you have no proven life either |
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| 23:29.12 | black_13 | abrotman they do on arkansas |
| 23:29.22 | black_13 | s/on/in/ |
| 23:29.24 | bokey | doesn't matter. girls wants also a nice sex. =) |
| 23:29.34 | Phated | peterS: I flew to England and New Zealand in July alone. :) |
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| 23:29.45 | peterS | Phated: o_O. so you do get around |
| 23:29.45 | streuner | peterS: according to debstats, i wouldn't say that from your position :-) |
| 23:29.54 | peterS | streuner: there is that |
| 23:29.56 | Phated | peterS: In more than one way :) |
| 23:29.58 | abrotman | bah .. like debstats are an indicator |
| 23:30.07 | streuner | surely not |
| 23:30.10 | peterS | heh, poor abrotman, winner of that game |
| 23:30.14 | cydork | abrotman, you top that :) |
| 23:30.15 | Phated | abrotman: You only say that because you're top :) |
| 23:30.20 | bokey | you guys get lot of action at work ? |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. but i had too much IRL this weekend .. i'm pooped :) |
| 23:30.49 | rumpl | where are the stats for this channel? |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | !DEBSTATS |
| 23:30.54 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 23:31.26 | bokey | is there a stat that counts who have said "sex" the highest number of times ? |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | not with dpkg afaik |
| 23:31.41 | abrotman | :hehstats |
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| 23:31.46 | abrotman | !hehstats |
| 23:31.46 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 20910 |
| 23:31.49 | abrotman | oh .. jeez |
| 23:31.51 | bokey | !sexstats |
| 23:31.56 | peterS | bokey: no, there are better ways to measure who adds no value to the channel |
| 23:32.03 | rumpl | in which language have the dpkg been coded? |
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| 23:32.06 | yang | Is there any driver that could be used for Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0c45:60b0 Microdia (Genius Videocam Look) ? |
| 23:32.09 | peterS | !what are you |
| 23:32.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:32.10 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 23:32.10 | dpkg | somebody said blootbot was a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
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| 23:32.23 | black_13 | debian meritocrasy |
| 23:32.24 | streuner | rumpl: PERL |
| 23:32.40 | peterS | perl doesn't NEED TO BE SHOUTED |
| 23:32.49 | streuner | sorry :-) |
| 23:33.02 | rumpl | hey hey, ok no need to get exited. |
| 23:33.13 | bokey | PURL |
| 23:33.15 | Wyzard | OK, looks like my RAID problem is not happening on my freshly-created small RAID array |
| 23:33.19 | Wyzard | time to go back to the big one |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | yay sync time! |
| 23:33.32 | Wyzard | yep, 3 hours |
| 23:33.37 | peterS | abrotman: as opposed to #debian, which is a time sync |
| 23:33.40 | abrotman | and you say we have no life .. Wyzard watches 750GB sync |
| 23:33.46 | abrotman | peterS: aye .. |
| 23:33.53 | Wyzard | though I can reproduce the problem even before the sync is done |
| 23:34.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: nah, I talk on IRC while I wait :-) |
| 23:34.15 | bokey | abrotman# are the bot commands documented somewhere ? |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: how long til you move ? |
| 23:34.21 | abrotman | bokey: /msg dpkg help |
| 23:34.22 | Phated | Wyzard: -That-'s having no life :) |
| 23:34.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: I moved a month ago |
| 23:34.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh jeez ... |
| 23:34.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: to exton right ? |
| 23:34.39 | Wyzard | yep |
| 23:34.55 | bokey | sex is www.sex.com |
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| 23:35.18 | peterS | bokey: ok now start concentrating on adding value to the channel. questions and answers about debian would be best. |
| 23:35.37 | bokey | peterS# =) |
| 23:35.45 | axolx | hey gusy - how can i negate an IPTABLES match? i.e. instead of matching a given MAC address, i want to match all addressed that are not that MAC address? thanks |
| 23:35.48 | abrotman | peterS: i tried that once ... |
| 23:35.51 | xingu | ok, here's one, how do I discriminate between a 32bit and 64bit debian-xen dom0? |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | count? |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 23:36.04 | dpkg | iptables is probably the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 23:36.21 | peterS | xingu: same way you distinguish anywhere else, right? uname -r to see what the kernel is |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | cat /proc/version ? |
| 23:36.34 | xingu | peterS: but both say ARCH=xen |
| 23:36.35 | peterS | xingu: or uname -a if uname -r is ambiguous |
| 23:37.49 | sartan | Wyzard: etch took my drives like a champ =) |
| 23:37.52 | sartan | thanks buddy |
| 23:38.02 | peterS | xingu: 'file /bin/sh' is probably a pretty good indicator too |
| 23:38.37 | sartan | expertgui looks nice and polished too |
| 23:38.38 | black_13 | i have been trying to get rapidsvn to NOT crash |
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| 23:39.13 | streuner | beardy: only 2-3 day vacation... |
| 23:39.51 | streuner | beardy: i hope i get some vacation at x-mas |
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| 23:41.23 | black_13 | streuner why wouldnt you get vacation? |
| 23:43.06 | Wyzard | kingsley: That statement doesn't make any sense... "upgrade" is for installing newer versions of already-installed packages, and "install" is for installing new things that weren't there before |
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| 23:45.03 | kingsley | Wyzard: Yes, but "install" can also upgrade individual packages. |
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| 23:45.35 | Wyzard | kingsley: oh, I see what you mean |
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| 23:45.41 | Wyzard | kingsley: That's an unusual thing to do, though |
| 23:46.13 | sartan | interface is clunky for LVM in etch =( |
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| 23:46.37 | bokey | abrotman# wtf doesn't work |
| 23:46.45 | abrotman | omgwtfbbq! |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 23:46.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:47.20 | sartan | clever |
| 23:47.32 | bokey | abrotman# specifically, "no binary found" |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | bokey: oh .. so it's not available .. |
| 23:48.12 | abrotman | bokey: you would normally do "dpkg: wtf wtf" and he'd say "What the fuck" etc |
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| 23:48.47 | bokey | >dpkg< wtf wtf |
| 23:48.48 | bokey | *dpkg* no binary found. |
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| 23:49.01 | abrotman | so stop trying to use it |
| 23:49.06 | bokey | abrotman# =) |
| 23:49.08 | abrotman | i just told you it wasn't available |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | other blootbots might have it though |
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| 23:49.30 | bokey | abrotman# fine =) |
| 23:49.31 | OpenIM | I'm using LemonParty open source IRC client! You can find it @ http://lemonparty.org/ |
| 23:49.44 | azeem | OpenIM: no spam in here |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | OpenIM: we don't care .. go away |
| 23:49.55 | OpenIM | sorry, it's a default script |
| 23:49.57 | kingsley | For example, installing a certain new package onto my box with "apt-get install <package>" would require 87 others to be newly installed, and 142 upgraded. However, each new or upgraded package could depend on another package that's not mentioned in its official "dependencies". On the other hand, each package that's |
| 23:49.58 | OpenIM | new client :-\ |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | OpenIM: so first step .. learn how to disable that |
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| 23:50.10 | azeem | OpenIM: then disable it immediately |
| 23:50.20 | OpenIM | do you know how/. |
| 23:50.24 | azeem | no |
| 23:50.27 | OpenIM | I just got LemonParty |
| 23:50.30 | peterS | OpenIM: better yet, don't use an irc client that has such a stupid and annoying script enabled by default |
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| 23:50.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 23:50.40 | azeem | OpenIM: either disable it, or use another client |
| 23:50.45 | streuner | OpenIM: apt-get install irssi-text or X-Chat :-) |
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| 23:51.35 | pickcoder | that's not very nice peterS.. <g> |
| 23:51.45 | abrotman | yes it was |
| 23:51.45 | peterS | pickcoder: it's clear he had no intention of stopping his troll. he was playing innocent but was not |
| 23:52.00 | streuner | it wasn't nice to spam us |
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| 23:52.08 | kingsley | new or upgraded could also have it's own bug. It seems to me that "apt-get upgrade" should become more reliable than "apt-get install <package>" as the total number of new or upgraded packages increases, but I find myself wondering just how many packages that is. |
| 23:52.12 | azeem | oh, was he around earlier? |
| 23:52.13 | pickcoder | do you know that for sure? |
| 23:52.15 | jdjs69 | lmao @ lemonparty |
| 23:52.35 | peterS | azeem: no but lemonparty is a well-known troll site |
| 23:52.36 | pickcoder | doesn't matter either way |
| 23:52.41 | pickcoder | forget it |
| 23:52.55 | peterS | azeem: something along the lines of goatse.cx |
| 23:53.00 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 23:53.10 | Wyzard | kingsley: If a package depends on another package but doesn't declare it as a dependency, that's an RC bug |
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| 23:53.11 | buggarage | and the bets are going well |
| 23:53.13 | peterS | in other words, don't follow his URL (: |
| 23:53.13 | buggarage | lol |
| 23:53.19 | buggarage | wah wah wah |
| 23:53.57 | hda4 | I have just installed and started KDE. Whenever I started kde I had a couple of instances of console open. How do I close those consoles from here? |
| 23:54.16 | Wyzard | kingsley: If you're concerned about the fact that there are a bunch of updated packages and they might contain bugs, don't run testing/unstable |
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| 23:57.28 | streuner | hm |
| 23:58.25 | streuner | mhall: are you going to idle here? ;-) |
| 23:59.28 | streuner | (its pretty unusual for mhall...) |
| 23:59.40 | mhall | streuner: i was unsure which channel i wanted to ask a question in |
| 23:59.41 | abrotman | you taunt him?! |
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| 23:59.46 | streuner | heh |
| 23:59.47 | mhall | and ended up decided #bash was better |
| 23:59.47 | abrotman | mhall: cross post! |
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