| 00:00.04 | mhall | abrotman: too many people in both, i'd get caught even if i Bcc |
| 00:00.05 | streuner | mhall: greycat isn't there on sundays |
| 00:00.20 | abrotman | or here |
| 00:00.34 | riot | hmm. Installing python-gtk2 removes openoffice in sid. Is this avoidable? |
| 00:00.38 | abrotman | mhall: come on .. i've seen people post to the #debian on OFTC and on freenode |
| 00:00.46 | abrotman | riot: don't install that ? |
| 00:01.13 | riot | abrotman: hm. i need both. :( |
| 00:01.20 | mhall | abrotman: then you labeled them assholes |
| 00:01.27 | mhall | abrotman: enough people already think this |
| 00:01.30 | mhall | abrotman: i hardly need more |
| 00:01.31 | abrotman | mhall: no ..i just say "hey .. i saw that" :) |
| 00:01.51 | yang | I am getting this error when I want to make SN9C10 webcam module - http://paste.debian.net/16560 |
| 00:01.55 | abrotman | riot: paste the output |
| 00:02.07 | mhall | streuner: well in any case they gave me about 5 or 6 great solutions to my problem |
| 00:02.31 | mhall | streuner: best of all was the rename command, which really worked wonderfully, it let me use regex backreferences to fix up filenames |
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| 00:03.03 | streuner | mhall: i have no doubt, that there are good people everywhere :-) |
| 00:04.44 | riot | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/247078 |
| 00:04.59 | riot | looks rather complicated, and i tracked it down from gazpacho already. |
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| 00:05.34 | riot | so a whole lot of apps are conflicting each other by a stupid replacement, if i see that correctly (pyton-gtk2 replacing python-gtk1.2) |
| 00:05.55 | abrotman | riot: my german sucks .. try it LANG=C <cmd> |
| 00:06.14 | riot | abrotman: allright... ;) |
| 00:06.27 | abrotman | riot: or ask streuner to decode :) |
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| 00:06.51 | riot | http://pastebin.ca/247079 |
| 00:07.15 | mhall | abrotman: but then you have to decode streuner's decoding ;-) |
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| 00:07.34 | abrotman | mhall: i failed that class :) |
| 00:07.45 | streuner | riot: show us your sources.list as well |
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| 00:08.05 | abrotman | riot: don't update .. wait a few days .. the problem may go away |
| 00:08.16 | streuner | riot: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say, btw? |
| 00:08.20 | riot | abrotman: hmm, thats my guess, too. :( |
| 00:08.48 | riot | abrotman: 2.3.6.ds1-8 (i just updated a few hours ago) |
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| 00:09.45 | streuner | riot: ok, read /msg dpkg sid faq then :-) |
| 00:10.33 | riot | heh, streuner: this sid runs for 4 years now.. never had any major problems (except with a stupid ati-card..) |
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| 00:10.57 | riot | (and i don't count this one right now as major, just an annoyance ;) |
| 00:12.04 | streuner | just wait :-) |
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| 00:12.42 | streuner | well, i remember some libc6 problem which was major, and that wasn't 4 years before... |
| 00:13.11 | streuner | so you didn't run unstable 4 years or you never upgraded the packages |
| 00:14.32 | riot | i don't remember. Might be. Define Major :) |
| 00:14.35 | Wyzard | or just didn't upgrade them until after that problem was fixed |
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| 00:14.42 | riot | probably that. |
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| 00:15.07 | riot | i don't update too often (which resulted in 1500 packages to update today *sigh*.. but everything still works fine) |
| 00:15.28 | streuner | Major Problem=libc6 was that broken that you couldn't use many apps. all stuff was broken |
| 00:16.00 | streuner | and that could happen easily in unstable |
| 00:16.04 | streuner | any time |
| 00:16.09 | Wyzard | streuner: I don't remember that either, and I've been running sid on this box for six years and upgrading daily |
| 00:16.14 | riot | oh, had that more than once. So this is your definition of major?? try out windoze ;D |
| 00:16.25 | Wyzard | but that's not to say it didn't happen -- I don't memorize every little thing that goes wrong in sid |
| 00:16.42 | riot | Wyzard: ack *g* |
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| 00:17.26 | riot | i like my sid. But i became careful, suggesting people to try out sid... |
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| 00:21.57 | kumba | hello |
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| 00:22.43 | kumba | debian .. |
| 00:22.51 | streuner | ..is good |
| 00:23.24 | Asymmetry | Got a bit of an issue that I cannot, for the life of me, figure out. If I do an apt-get update, it'll download some of the files from the package mirrors, but then the download will stall. And it'll just sit there. If I Ctrl-C it and start it over, it resumes as it's supposed to, progresses through a few files, then stalls again. Repeat. |
| 00:24.03 | streuner | what message you got? |
| 00:24.12 | riot | Asymmetry: your network is ok, otherwise? Checked that with another box? On another network? |
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| 00:24.32 | Asymmetry | Nah, it's only that system. I don't have download stall issues anywhere else. |
| 00:25.28 | Asymmetry | ... Hm. Give me a second. |
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| 00:25.47 | abrotman | one of the mirrors isn't responding |
| 00:25.50 | black_13 | what is a good front end for gdb? |
| 00:26.00 | abrotman | gdb |
| 00:26.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:26.13 | riot | *bg*.. if you _really_ need a graphical debugger, you might try ddd |
| 00:27.08 | Asymmetry | It seems that the mirror was just being lame. |
| 00:27.10 | Asymmetry | odd. |
| 00:27.16 | black_13 | i havent used it in an age |
| 00:27.18 | riot | shit happens :) |
| 00:27.23 | black_13 | what the heck |
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| 00:30.52 | Asymmetry | Is anyone here a convert from Ubuntu? |
| 00:30.55 | streuner | riot: what kind of ISP is westend.com? |
| 00:31.07 | streuner | just re-install |
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| 00:31.35 | black_13 | Asymmetry dont say ubuntu theyll beat you up |
| 00:32.11 | Asymmetry | black_13, I'm not saying I use it anymore. I don't. I'm asking if anyone else found ubuntu as Windows-ized as i did. (Windows-ized being defined as dumbed down for the average user to a point that it impairs usability). |
| 00:32.29 | moshii | black_13: and rightly so |
| 00:32.30 | abrotman | that's the point |
| 00:32.47 | black_13 | oh just trying to make a joke |
| 00:32.49 | streuner | well, GNOME is in debian too |
| 00:32.50 | moshii | Asymmetry: a bit like suse |
| 00:32.57 | abrotman | streuner: that's not what he means |
| 00:32.58 | kumba | please how to register? |
| 00:33.03 | Asymmetry | I've hated SUSE. |
| 00:33.09 | abrotman | kumba: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:33.12 | Asymmetry | Always have. Since, like, 6.something. |
| 00:33.39 | moshii | Asymmetry: suse is good for people that often kill their windows based machine though |
| 00:33.44 | streuner | abrotman: well, its the very first start, make things easy for the average user, DE |
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| 00:34.13 | abrotman | i know .. but it's not what he's talking about AFAICT |
| 00:34.26 | Asymmetry | I kill my Winbox all the time. :) But it's usually doing very odd things anyway. |
| 00:34.26 | moshii | Asymmetry: looks like windows, feels like windows, doesn't get infected with 30 million virii between install and activation ;) |
| 00:34.34 | Asymmetry | moshii, very, very true. |
| 00:35.25 | riot | streuner: why do you ask? |
| 00:35.41 | streuner | riot: why does someone ask? |
| 00:35.53 | streuner | riot: because he doesn't know? |
| 00:35.55 | Asymmetry | What is the meaning of life? |
| 00:36.03 | riot | streuner: a small one. |
| 00:36.09 | riot | Asymmetry: 42 |
| 00:36.27 | riot | Perhaps, you two redefine your questions a bit? |
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| 00:40.20 | streuner | riot: i just read there website ;-) |
| 00:41.48 | riot | streuner: hmm. Okay. They've been bought by Netcologne (yes, after setting up a citywide wireless network.. see unidsl.de for more information) |
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| 00:42.00 | riot | Asymmetry: (btw. that links relevant to your question..) |
| 00:42.13 | Firestarter | can someone point me in the right direction to update my apt sources.list file |
| 00:42.14 | Red_Cloud | I am about to update library files in debian. Anything to avoid this week? |
| 00:42.23 | sartan | sleep |
| 00:42.40 | Asymmetry | riot, what link? |
| 00:42.41 | streuner | riot: makes sense, because they recommend netcologne for other cities :-) |
| 00:43.04 | riot | Asymmetry: unidsl.de ... their current main-tarife is 42 euros :) |
| 00:43.19 | mango | hi. can any one tell me how can I see/find the log file for gnome. My mac g4 does not start with on gnome but works fine with kde3. ...when started on gnome it comes up with an error message wich I can not remember and can not copy |
| 00:43.30 | Red_Cloud | abrotman anything to avoid in updating etch this week? |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 00:43.39 | apt | i heard /.xsession-errors is quite common |
| 00:43.44 | riot | streuner: they had revolutionary CHEAP student-only-dsl here in town (by using uplinks to university for all the traffic) |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 00:43.48 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: not that i'm aware of .. hopefully bug fixes |
| 00:44.12 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, OK thanks. |
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| 00:44.45 | riot | Firestarter: have you ever asked a search engine for relevant terms? |
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| 00:45.18 | Firestarter | riot: I get alot of mixed information |
| 00:45.32 | riot | Firestarter: clear sign of bad search terms. Try again. |
| 00:45.43 | Firestarter | ok thanks |
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| 00:46.09 | riot | Firestarter: second item i get is apt-get.org... ever tried that? |
| 00:47.06 | riot | un-debian like this: http://xkcd.com/c178.html |
| 00:47.24 | Fluten | can a drives used in raid1 be transfered from controller to controller or even use no controller without a problem? |
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| 00:48.11 | abrotman | Firestarter: apt-setup .. or vi ... /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 00:56.11 | mzli | list |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | !list |
| 00:56.31 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to abrotman |
| 00:56.41 | riot | lol |
| 00:56.56 | riot | want one, too. |
| 00:56.57 | riot | !list |
| 00:56.57 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to riot |
| 00:57.09 | riot | ZOMFG! |
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| 00:58.42 | u221e | I've found out how Sony is going to be allowing other operating systems like Debian and homebrew on the PS3 without having piracy. |
| 00:59.04 | riot | u221e: so? |
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| 00:59.49 | u221e | No access to 3d hardware acceleration. |
| 00:59.49 | coywolf | how to connect to a serial port under debian? (to a cisco switch) |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | minicom or kermit |
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| 01:01.38 | riot | coywolf: you could use screen to. Like "screen -m /dev/ttyS0 9600 8n1" |
| 01:01.51 | sartan | framebuffer! |
| 01:01.55 | sartan | we'll all run on mesa. |
| 01:02.03 | coywolf | riot, what is 8n1? |
| 01:02.16 | riot | 8 databits, negative parity, one stopbit |
| 01:02.31 | nevyn | riot: 8 data bits No Parity one stopbit |
| 01:02.40 | riot | (if that is the correct config to communicate with cisco's ios..) |
| 01:02.49 | nevyn | riot: which it is |
| 01:03.27 | riot | nevyn: erm.. "i know" and "fine" |
| 01:04.03 | riot | someone is going to confuse some IOS there, i fear... |
| 01:05.53 | mick_linux | anyone know of eclipse .debs ? |
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| 01:06.14 | mick_linux | apt-cache search shows me java sources for use w/ eclipse |
| 01:06.17 | abrotman | mick_linux: which version of debian ? |
| 01:06.20 | mick_linux | etch |
| 01:06.23 | nevyn | riot: negative parity could be interpreted as parity=0 |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | htf is eclipse still not in etch |
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| 01:07.05 | mick_linux | and i was also wondering why some packages don't exist in testing (but they exist in stable or unstable) |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | mick_linux: maybe the packages from unstable will just work |
| 01:07.30 | riot | nevyn: isn't that the same as "no parity"? |
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| 01:08.06 | mick_linux | what is the recommended way of adding unstable packages? add sid to sources.list and update? then after install - take it out? (comment it) and apt-get update again? |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 01:08.17 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 01:08.42 | mick_linux | thanks |
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| 01:09.02 | riot | hmm. You better check out backports... |
| 01:09.31 | rjent | greetings, can I move a ubuntu6.10 install to debian testing by changing the sources.list file? Thx |
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| 01:10.56 | itchi | rjent: Sure you are better with an clean and bug free install ;-) |
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| 01:12.03 | redduck676 | anyone else having troubles when upgrading trac in stable? |
| 01:12.11 | linux2 | hey just a quick quesiton, but what do you guys use to burn a dvd video |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | riot: not at backports.org |
| 01:12.22 | linux2 | i keep looking for a program to simply do this but i cannot seem to find many |
| 01:12.45 | itchi | linux2: k3b |
| 01:13.10 | linux2 | itchi: humm i tried that but i don't understand how it encodes the video correctly |
| 01:13.11 | itchi | linux2: There are realy many choices; just depending of your taste; take the tool that you like |
| 01:13.17 | linux2 | lets say i have an avi file |
| 01:13.25 | linux2 | what program would burn that to a dvd video |
| 01:14.07 | itchi | linux2: k3b?? |
| 01:14.18 | nevyn | dvdcreator |
| 01:14.21 | itchi | linux2: Maybe you want to encode it to another format or so? |
| 01:14.36 | linux2 | itchi: and would it be playable from a standard DVD player (NSTC) |
| 01:14.46 | nevyn | bleh |
| 01:14.55 | nevyn | dvdede |
| 01:15.05 | coywolf | riot, thanks |
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| 01:15.47 | redduck676 | http://www.kiberpipa.org/projekti/snoo_py trac on stable. any ideas how to fix it? google returns only one result, and it is not too useful :( |
| 01:16.22 | rjent | itchi: so I this would be risky? |
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| 01:17.12 | itchi | rjent: Yes, do not try that, or do it on your own risk. |
| 01:17.30 | riot | abrotman: then he's in for a big basket'o'fun, i guess. |
| 01:17.42 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:17.46 | riot | coywolf: np :) screen is a wonderful tool. |
| 01:17.49 | rjent | itchi: k thx 4 advice. |
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| 01:18.59 | itchi | nevyn: Is the syntax right of dvdcreator? |
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| 01:20.55 | itchi | nevyn: I not find that package here |
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| 01:21.28 | Wyzard | grr... back on the big RAID, and the problem is right back like it was before |
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| 01:22.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you try changing any layer of it ? |
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| 01:24.08 | amphi | itchi: any improvement in your video? |
| 01:24.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm about to put a reiserfs directly on the RAID, without the crypto or LVM in between |
| 01:24.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: but it's strange that the same configuration (raid+crypto+LVM) worked fine when the component devices were only 14GB instead of 750GB |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: try it again ? |
| 01:25.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: Try what again? |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | with 15GB ? |
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| 01:26.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm done with the small RAID as far as I'm concerned... I wasn't able to reproduce the problem on it at all |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: try another FS ? |
| 01:26.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: is it a FS error .. orlower ? |
| 01:27.20 | Wyzard | abrotman: The error shows up at the filesystem level -- I see warnings from reiserfs, not disk I/O errors |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | did you think about trying another FS ? |
| 01:27.51 | zinx | ricerfs sucks :/ |
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| 01:28.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: I did, but I don't think it's actually a filesystem bug, because I can make it stop happening or resume happening by putting my RAID array into or out of degraded mode |
| 01:28.33 | nevyn | itchi: it's dvdauthor or dvdeve |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: did the other FS display the same issue ? |
| 01:29.01 | Wyzard | zinx: reiserfs is the only tree-structured filesystem I know of that supports both shrinking and enlarging |
| 01:29.04 | itchi | amphi: Just tried fgfs, to be honnest, sucks many |
| 01:29.24 | itchi | amphi: There should be an little detail somelse that i need to activate i guess |
| 01:29.26 | Wyzard | zinx: ext3 is table-based so it doesn't scale, and JFS and XFS both can't be shrunk |
| 01:29.32 | zinx | Wyzard: ... |
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| 01:29.39 | itchi | amphi: Not the game that sucks hehe, my card at this stage ;-) |
| 01:29.46 | itchi | nevyn: Thanks |
| 01:29.53 | amphi | itchi: fgfs? |
| 01:30.03 | itchi | amphi: Ow, you not know about it? |
| 01:30.10 | mfrisch | flight sim game |
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| 01:30.32 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm, See the website, google for Flight Gear Flight Simulator |
| 01:30.40 | itchi | amphi: Realy great ;-) |
| 01:30.57 | mfrisch | umm I can't get it off the ground |
| 01:30.58 | Wyzard | zinx: yes? |
| 01:31.26 | itchi | mfrisch: up up up ;-) |
| 01:31.45 | amphi | itchi: dunno if flight sim is so interesting for me; celestia is an opengl prog I like, also stellarium |
| 01:31.46 | itchi | mfrisch: he, give gas he |
| 01:32.08 | itchi | amphi: Yup, sure everyone have his own interestings ;-) |
| 01:32.35 | mfrisch | planet penguin racer is cool |
| 01:34.14 | sartan | i'm having a hell of a time getting this raid stuff going properly |
| 01:34.24 | sartan | sda2: rw=0, want=128, limit=2; attempt to access beyond end of device. |
| 01:34.27 | itchi | amphi: I'm not an gamer, just fgfs that i like to play some time :-) |
| 01:34.29 | sartan | over, and over, and over. |
| 01:34.40 | Wyzard | sartan: How did you set up the raid? |
| 01:34.47 | sartan | difficultly |
| 01:34.56 | sartan | =P |
| 01:35.07 | redduck676 | http://www.kiberpipa.org/projekti/snoo_py trac on stable. any ideas how to fix it? google returns only one result, and it is not too useful :( |
| 01:35.16 | itchi | mfrisch: Try nexius, trumulous and so, drift euhm, there are some real funny here |
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| 01:35.49 | Wyzard | sartan: The installer has built-in support for creating raid arrays from the partitioner |
| 01:36.01 | sartan | so i've got 3 320gb hd's. i put in a 298gb raid partition, 1.5GB swap and 255mb raid. i set up md0 and md1 for raid-5. md0 is running lvm for /, /home, /var, /tmp, and /usr. md1 is running ext3 for /boot |
| 01:36.13 | mfrisch | itchi: got them, I don't play anything much..nexius is cool |
| 01:36.17 | itchi | redduck676: Is that your own trac? |
| 01:36.18 | sartan | i think i need to init the swaps |
| 01:36.28 | sartan | i never actually did that |
| 01:36.31 | sartan | but the kernel is trying to use it anyway |
| 01:36.32 | Wyzard | sartan: Don't use RAID for /boot |
| 01:36.42 | sartan | i dont know how else to pull off rudundant /boot |
| 01:36.45 | itchi | mfrisch: Tremelous, is near like nexius, if you like that ;-) |
| 01:36.51 | Wyzard | What do you need /boot to be redundant for? |
| 01:37.02 | sartan | i really thought about it and the docs say that grub and lilo can read md devices |
| 01:37.21 | mfrisch | itchi: thats the alien game right...got it. |
| 01:37.22 | sartan | Wyzard: if i miss a disk i'd like my os to still boot |
| 01:37.23 | Wyzard | not quite |
| 01:37.25 | zinx | Wyzard: probably the same reason you need a tree-based filesystem that can be shrunk :rolleyes: |
| 01:37.30 | sartan | is the raid data kept in the superblock of the disk? |
| 01:37.40 | redduck676 | itchi: i administer the server on which it is hosted. i am not the project leader if that is what you are asking. |
| 01:37.52 | Wyzard | zinx: When using a 1.5TB LVM, yes, it's useful to have a scalable filesystem that can be resized |
| 01:38.02 | itchi | redduck676: Somethings like that yes ;-) Is that an brand new install? |
| 01:38.19 | redduck676 | itchi: no. it is an upgrade from previous trac. |
| 01:38.42 | Wyzard | sartan: GRUB only looks at a single disk... it doesn't know anything about Linux RAID |
| 01:38.52 | sartan | how about lilo |
| 01:39.03 | zinx | Wyzard: believe it or not, being tree based has little to do with its scalability. and i'm having a hard time imagining a production system that needs *shrunk*. |
| 01:39.18 | Wyzard | sartan: You could use RAID-1, since in that case each individual component looks the same as the overall array |
| 01:39.29 | itchi | redduck676: Know you a bit about Python? |
| 01:39.31 | Wyzard | zinx: I've found shrinking to be useful from time to time |
| 01:39.41 | redduck676 | itchi: nope. |
| 01:39.42 | Wyzard | zinx: and I don't like having a fixed number of inodes |
| 01:39.53 | zinx | Wyzard: But you like random hash collisions? |
| 01:39.57 | sartan | raid-1 for /boot ? |
| 01:40.00 | mfrisch | Wyzard: you can shrink? |
| 01:40.01 | itchi | redduck676: See that last line |
| 01:40.08 | redduck676 | itchi: also due to the 'maintainability' i would prefer not to modify any code |
| 01:40.09 | Wyzard | zinx: haven't had any problems with that to date |
| 01:40.13 | sartan | damnit i/o errors on my cd =( |
| 01:40.16 | zinx | Wyzard: you like users being able to nearly lock the system by creating a large sparse file? (or has that been fixed in 4?) |
| 01:40.18 | sartan | the fun just doesn't end |
| 01:40.38 | Wyzard | zinx: This is a personal workstation, not a server |
| 01:40.44 | zinx | Wyzard: hash collisions happen on real systems. and they are not good. |
| 01:40.44 | itchi | redduck676: Yup, just that it's looks like there is somethings missing. An function or so in an module. It's been trac you have upgraded? |
| 01:41.20 | redduck676 | itchi: not sure, all i know that the previous trac didn't throw _any_ errors |
| 01:41.29 | Wyzard | sartan: However, you still have boot code in your MBR which is not part of a partition so it's not mirrored |
| 01:41.43 | Wyzard | sartan: so if your boot drive dies, you have to get out a rescue disc anyway |
| 01:41.48 | sartan | that doesn't sound very redundant. |
| 01:42.10 | sartan | there's got to be a way to have /boot survive. |
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| 01:42.51 | Wyzard | sartan: Personally, for my own system I'm not too concerned about having the system boot as if nothing ever happened after a disk failure... I just don't want to lose any important data |
| 01:42.56 | Wyzard | sartan: and nothing in /boot is important data |
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| 01:43.17 | sartan | except the pain in the ass trying to reconfigure my raid configs. |
| 01:43.34 | itchi | redduck676: I not know about trac, but looks like the upgrade did not right. |
| 01:43.47 | zinx | Wyzard: you don't want to lose any important data, and yet you're using reiserfs? sounds like you're conflicted somehow :) |
| 01:44.08 | Wyzard | zinx: I've been using reiserfs on LVM for several years and have not yet lost any data because of it |
| 01:44.13 | Wyzard | zinx: so please stop trolling |
| 01:44.34 | zinx | Wyzard: hope your luck contines |
| 01:44.37 | zinx | erh, continues |
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| 01:45.13 | Wyzard | sartan: What I did was: first 100MB of the first drive is /boot, and the other two drives have corresponding 100MB partitions which are just unused |
| 01:45.32 | Wyzard | sartan: At the end of each of the 3 drives is a 1GB partition which together form a 3GB RAID-0 for swap |
| 01:45.41 | Wyzard | sartan: and the space in the middle is RAID-5 for the data |
| 01:45.43 | sartan | i just don't understand where the raid config goes. if i lose that i'm not confident i'll be able to pull it out of thin air |
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| 01:46.05 | Wyzard | sartan: The RAID config is stored in persistent superblocks on each component device in the array |
| 01:46.10 | n3kl | Hi |
| 01:46.27 | Wyzard | sartan: Every device in the array has a complete copy of all the array's metadata, so you don't lose it if one of the devices fails |
| 01:46.35 | Wyzard | sartan: The array metadata is *not* stored in /boot :-) |
| 01:46.40 | n3kl | I am trying to install phpbb. I installed it and set it up to connect to mysql, I think correctly. But I never saw anywhere that I could set and admin password. |
| 01:46.48 | sartan | but my .conf files are |
| 01:46.54 | sartan | i'm using both raid and lvm |
| 01:46.58 | n3kl | Does anyone know where to set the admin password for the admin user for phpbb2? |
| 01:47.09 | Wyzard | sartan: Neither /etc/mdadm nor /etc/lvm are located in /boot either |
| 01:47.31 | Wyzard | sartan: Some of the information those config files contain is duplicated in an initrd which is located in /boot, but the initrd is easy to regenerate |
| 01:47.35 | zinx | n3kl: just browse the advisories, i'm sure there are exploits to create a new admin account. |
| 01:47.35 | SWAT | can anyone give me a few good reasons why .deb is superior to .rpm? |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 01:47.41 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 01:47.43 | zinx | SWAT: it's not |
| 01:47.52 | zinx | SWAT: but the package management tools for it are |
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| 01:48.15 | Red_Cloud | I have a problem with apt-get update. Returns erros: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, Error occurred while processing kblackbox (NewFileVer1), Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status, The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 01:48.20 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 01:48.22 | zinx | SWAT: but only if you use proper packages :P |
| 01:48.31 | Wyzard | sartan: Feel free to RAID-1 /boot if you want, but keep in mind that you'll need to use a rescue disc to reinstall GRUB to the new MBR if your boot drive fails |
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| 01:49.13 | SWAT | zinx, so it really all depends on the packet managers? (c.q. apt/dpkg etc.?) |
| 01:50.16 | Wyzard | sartan: Alternatively, use hardware RAID, which covers the entire disc (not just the MBR) |
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| 01:50.32 | sartan | no budget for a $400 card |
| 01:50.50 | zinx | SWAT: package managers and the quality/integration of the packages |
| 01:50.53 | Wyzard | sartan: but with hardware RAID you can't use different RAID types for different partitions (i.e. RAID-5 for data and RAID-0 for swap), and if your RAID card dies you have to worry about whether the replacement uses the same on-disk metadata format |
| 01:51.07 | paolob | Hi guys! I've just installed unstable kernel 2.6.18-2-686, but the pc is ten times slower. Anyone knows of this stuff? thank you! |
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| 01:52.47 | Wyzard | sartan: you could also use Linux software RAID-0 on the entire disks, rather than partitions on them... that'd duplicate your MBR so you wouldn't have to do manual recovery stuff if a drive fails, but you're limited to RAID-0 that way, all for the sake of GRUB |
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| 01:53.47 | SWAT | zinx, why exactly are the packages better (quality-wise)? |
| 01:54.02 | zinx | SWAT: mostly because they are all created by the same project, tbh |
| 01:54.58 | SWAT | zinx, thanks for your information :) |
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| 01:57.26 | abrotman | zinx: you're too helpful .. |
| 01:57.33 | abrotman | no BOFH points for you |
| 01:57.37 | zinx | sry :( |
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| 01:59.56 | d0uglas | somehow all my permissions for a user account got all screwed up... can i get adduser to make it good again without getting rid of new data? |
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| 02:00.02 | a1fa | any way to get detailed kernel information in real time |
| 02:00.08 | a1fa | kern.log doesnt log shit |
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| 02:00.22 | a1fa | i am getting random shutdowns on 2.6.17, and i cant figure it out why |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 02:01.53 | a1fa | Linux mytivo 2.6.17-1-k7 #1 SMP Sat Jul 29 16:07:30 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:02.26 | d0uglas | somehow all my permissions for a user account got all screwed up... can i get adduser to make it good again without getting rid of new data? |
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| 02:02.53 | Wyzard | d0uglas: you might want to look into the "-R" option of chown and chmod |
| 02:02.54 | a1fa | why dont you run chmod and fix premissions |
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| 02:03.18 | a1fa | and stop repeating it |
| 02:03.22 | a1fa | we saw it the first time |
| 02:03.34 | usr_rob | sold my toshiba laptop today, looking on Thinkpad, don't know which one to choose, did find a T60 but it was integrated graphic card, if you want one with ATI 128mb it will be quite expensive. i did find a quite cheep T43 thou |
| 02:03.36 | Wyzard | RAID update: no problems with reiserfs directly on the RAID array... next up: LVM on the RAID with no encryption |
| 02:03.56 | tonyb2006 | my laptop has an ATI card w/ 128mb ram |
| 02:03.56 | d0uglas | Wyzard: yeah i know i chmodded and chowned -R everything wide open, 644, you name it |
| 02:04.00 | tonyb2006 | and its evil |
| 02:04.05 | tonyb2006 | evil evil evil! |
| 02:04.21 | usr_rob | tonyb2006: what model ? |
| 02:04.26 | Wyzard | usr_rob: I like my Thinkpad Z60m... mine has integrated graphics and I'm OK with that, but they're available with Radeons too |
| 02:04.35 | d0uglas | Wyzard: but no luck |
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| 02:04.50 | tonyb2006 | usr_rob: HP zv6000 + Radeon XPress 200M |
| 02:04.51 | usr_rob | Wyzard: Okey :) |
| 02:04.51 | tonyb2006 | evil 200m |
| 02:05.01 | redduck676 | d0uglas: can you give any more info than ''no luck''? |
| 02:05.24 | Wyzard | d0uglas: You should be more specific about what exactly is wrong with your permissions, then |
| 02:05.27 | usr_rob | tonyb2006: I'm looking for a IBM Thinkpad. |
| 02:05.36 | tonyb2006 | usr_rob: thinkwiki.org |
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| 02:05.54 | usr_rob | tonyb2006: thx :) |
| 02:05.58 | tonyb2006 | =) |
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| 02:06.49 | mick_linux | has anyone ever create an encrypted swap space (after) an install? (i know how to mkswap) but i've not done that w/ encryption before |
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| 02:07.23 | Wyzard | mick_linux: apt-get install cryptsetup |
| 02:07.44 | Wyzard | mick_linux: Add an entry to /etc/crypttab with /dev/random as the key and "swap" in the options column |
| 02:07.45 | mick_linux | dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count=65536... do i then then mkswap... then encrypt? also how is this affected if i do it from an encrypted volume? |
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| 02:08.01 | Wyzard | mick_linux: At boot time it'll choose a random key, set up the crypto, and then run mkswap on it |
| 02:08.06 | mick_linux | thanks Wyzard |
| 02:08.26 | Wyzard | mick_linux: Once the system is turned off, the random key is forgotten from RAM so the contents of the swap can't be recovered |
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| 02:08.47 | Thaiger | Has anyone installed the fuse-utils package? Everytime I try I get an error message /sbin/MAKEDEV "Don't know how to make device "fuse" |
| 02:08.54 | mick_linux | i see - thanks again Wyzard |
| 02:09.28 | d0uglas | Wyzard: all right, well, when i try to su to the user i get bash:/home/asdf/.bashrc: Permission denied, and .bashrc's -rwxrwxrwx asdf asdf |
| 02:09.46 | Wyzard | mick_linux: your new swap device will be whatever name you put in the "target device" column in crypttab... if you call it "cswap", use "/dev/mapper/cswap" as the device name for your swap line in fstab |
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| 02:10.04 | d0uglas | when i log in, i get No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
| 02:10.15 | d0uglas | but file seem to be intact |
| 02:10.22 | mick_linux | Wyzard: ok - i'll give it a try ;) |
| 02:10.32 | mick_linux | i'd like to see hibernate work :) |
| 02:10.37 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Can you execute the .bashrc manually, not as part of a login? |
| 02:11.03 | Wyzard | mick_linux: suspend-to-RAM works fine, but suspend-to-disk won't work if you have it suspend to the swap partition :-) |
| 02:11.25 | mick_linux | ah ok |
| 02:11.34 | mick_linux | how can i try to suspend to RAM? |
| 02:11.37 | Wyzard | mick_linux: I've heard that suspend2 supports suspending to a normal file instead of swapspace, but that's not in the standard kernel yet and I haven't looked into it |
| 02:11.48 | mick_linux | ok |
| 02:11.52 | Wyzard | mick_linux: On my laptop I use gnome-power-manager for that |
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| 02:12.31 | d0uglas | Wyzard: nevermind, just fixed it ... /home/asdf wasn't chmodded right (even though it looked fine from ls -la'ing from the dir |
| 02:12.33 | mick_linux | i've only tried hibernate - which told me that i need a swap partition (i thought that now-a-days w/ plentiful ram it wasn't needed as much) |
| 02:12.35 | d0uglas | nice. |
| 02:12.38 | ralf` | I'm using dselect for the first time. I'm used to just using apt-cache search. |
| 02:13.23 | Wyzard | mick_linux: Having plentiful RAM doesn't help if you're trying to turn the power completely off, causing the RAM to forget all its contents |
| 02:13.32 | Wyzard | mick_linux: That's what suspend-to-disk means |
| 02:13.49 | mick_linux | ya, i see |
| 02:13.53 | ralf` | Are there any other ways to manage packages, other than dselect and apt-cache search / apt-get install? |
| 02:14.00 | ralf` | Anything in X, for example? |
| 02:14.06 | Wyzard | mick_linux: suspend-to-RAM turns off power to everything except the RAM, so you don't need to save it all to disk, but it means your battery still gets drained gradually |
| 02:14.19 | ralf` | I would really like a way of browsing packages based on tags, like del.icio.us |
| 02:14.19 | Wyzard | ralf`: There's synaptic |
| 02:14.23 | mick_linux | that isn't so bad |
| 02:14.27 | ralf` | Wyzard: Thanks. |
| 02:14.33 | Wyzard | ralf`: dunno if it supports debtags though |
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| 02:14.41 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thanks for the information for running out of room at mmap. It took me a while to create the apt.conf file and edit it correctly. But after increasing the volume number it works as advertised! |
| 02:14.47 | Wyzard | ralf`: Personally, I use aptitude in an xterm (actually, a gnome-terminal) |
| 02:15.00 | Wyzard | ralf`: because I like aptitude's auto/manual tracking, which synaptic doesn't do |
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| 02:15.19 | ralf` | aptitude, synaptic, debtags... |
| 02:15.33 | usr_rob | Wyzard: What resolution do you have and what size on the screen ? |
| 02:16.05 | Wyzard | usr_rob: 1280x800 on the Z60m |
| 02:16.21 | Wyzard | usr_rob: don't remember the screen size offhand... check its page on thinkwiki |
| 02:16.32 | usr_rob | Wysard: Okey thx :) |
| 02:16.45 | usr_rob | ops .. |
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| 02:17.15 | Wyzard | usr_rob: The hardware is pretty well-supported by Linux... including the wireless (ipw2200) and the SD card reader |
| 02:17.46 | tonyb2006 | ATI = pure evil. |
| 02:18.08 | Wyzard | ATI = buggy Linux driver |
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| 02:18.19 | enouf | Red_Cloud: ping |
| 02:18.20 | Wyzard | Other than that they're not bad |
| 02:18.21 | tonyb2006 | Wyzard: it sucked on windoze too! |
| 02:18.29 | tonyb2006 | for opengl is sucked |
| 02:18.45 | usr_rob | Wyzard: Yeah, that's great! |
| 02:19.08 | Wyzard | usr_rob: I think the only hardware I've never tried using is the modem |
| 02:19.10 | Red_Cloud | enouf hello |
| 02:19.26 | Red_Cloud | enouf things are going well (for me!) |
| 02:19.27 | Wyzard | usr_rob: and the ExpressCard slot, actually, but I'd be surprised if that didn't work |
| 02:19.52 | a1fa | any way to get detail kernel debug information |
| 02:19.58 | a1fa | in real time |
| 02:20.00 | tonyb2006 | http://system76.com/ = ubuntu-ey laptops |
| 02:20.09 | Wyzard | usr_rob: Acer makes good laptops too, and I know someone who runs Ubuntu on one so compatibility must be OK |
| 02:20.13 | Red_Cloud | enouf I am messing with my hda4 DFS and have installed x-windows-system and kde desktop |
| 02:20.18 | usr_rob | Wyzard: Okey, softmodem isn't that supported i think |
| 02:20.32 | tonyb2006 | system76* |
| 02:20.36 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: glad it helped |
| 02:20.49 | usr_rob | Wyzard: Okey, ubuntu is not an option :) |
| 02:21.14 | usr_rob | Wyzard: I see what you mean :P |
| 02:21.23 | Wyzard | usr_rob: Well, if it runs Ubuntu it'd probably run Debian too |
| 02:21.47 | usr_rob | Wyzard: Bedtime, thx alot mate! |
| 02:22.00 | tonyb2006 | if it has one of those wifi cards |
| 02:22.02 | tonyb2006 | thats like |
| 02:22.02 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I just achieved what you were trying to do .. but using 2 separate physical disks .. i now have a New installation on hda3 and my original on hdc1 \o/ |
| 02:22.03 | tonyb2006 | 100mbs |
| 02:22.07 | tonyb2006 | speedbooster shit |
| 02:22.09 | tonyb2006 | BURN IT |
| 02:22.17 | Wyzard | tonyb2006: I'd be wary of buying a laptop from a manufacturer I've never heard of before... PCs are one thing, because they're built from commodity parts, but laptops are much more custom |
| 02:22.17 | tonyb2006 | because thats a broadcom card |
| 02:22.23 | tonyb2006 | mmm |
| 02:22.54 | tonyb2006 | rumor has it that broadcom cards can transmit on what is specified as military frequenceys |
| 02:23.25 | tonyb2006 | and thats why they made a linux driver (several linux-powered routers run it), but could never release source, even under a restrictive liscense |
| 02:23.46 | tonyb2006 | in short, broadcom cards = pure evil |
| 02:24.05 | Wyzard | I've heard that it's for regulatory reasons, but not anything specifically about military frequencies |
| 02:24.37 | tonyb2006 | I've heard military frequences (which is why it can get 100+mbs) |
| 02:25.26 | Wyzard | That would imply that the proprietary high-speed mode actually uses the reserved military frequencies |
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| 02:25.28 | dondelelcaro | tonyb2006: no, they cannot. |
| 02:25.30 | Wyzard | which I doubt the FCC would allow |
| 02:25.43 | tonyb2006 | I just said what i've heard. |
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| 02:26.02 | myren | is this for real? i'm using the testing net installer and its booting freebsd |
| 02:26.17 | tonyb2006 | I neither agree, nor disagree with what i said. |
| 02:26.27 | Wyzard | myren: Maybe you installed the Debian GNU/kfreebsd installer rather than the Debian GNU/Linux installer |
| 02:26.48 | sartan | okay so i followed your advice Wyzard |
| 02:26.53 | Wyzard | myren: Debian does have a port that uses FreeBSD's kernel |
| 02:26.58 | sartan | created /boot as a standard logical |
| 02:26.58 | myren | i'll redownload and retry |
| 02:27.08 | sartan | i'll do some weird crap like /boot2 or /boot3 if i get paranoid for easy recovery. |
| 02:27.32 | Wyzard | sartan: Use RAID-1 if you want to mirror /boot... don't use a hack like /boot2 |
| 02:27.44 | sartan | bah too late now =( |
| 02:27.53 | Wyzard | sartan: Just keep in mind that nothing sort of whole-disk (rather than partition) mirroring will mirror your MBR |
| 02:29.14 | sartan | yeah a raid-1 should work for /boot i guess. |
| 02:30.15 | Wyzard | You can easily change it -- just tar up /boot to somewhere, make the RAID, make a filesystem on the RAID, and then untar back to it |
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| 02:34.58 | sartan | how about osmething like this http://db.glug-bom.org/Documentation/HOWTO/Boot+Root+Raid+LILO-3.html |
| 02:35.14 | sartan | it looks like i can pass block info off to lilo |
| 02:36.37 | Wyzard | If lilo can pull blocks from multiple devices then you could use RAID-0 or RAID-5 for /boot |
| 02:36.43 | Wyzard | which is completely unnecessary |
| 02:36.46 | rgsteele_home | GRUB > LILO |
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| 02:36.58 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: they both have uses |
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| 02:37.08 | Wyzard | I guess you could do a whole-disk RAID-5 that way |
| 02:37.21 | Wyzard | but all this for the sake of not having to re-run grub-install if a disk fails? |
| 02:37.24 | sartan | bah! damned installation keeps screwing up |
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| 02:37.28 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: I've always found GRUB to be more advantageous |
| 02:37.47 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose :) |
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| 02:39.53 | Wyzard | looks like no problems with my RAID when using LVM but no encryption |
| 02:40.33 | myren | Wyzard: i found out why my bootdisc was running freebsd |
| 02:40.42 | Wyzard | Why's that? |
| 02:40.44 | myren | i never took the old boot disk our of the drive before i put in the net installer |
| 02:40.48 | myren | there were two discs in the drive |
| 02:40.57 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:41.16 | myren | i just thought hte cd rom drive was 10 years old and about to explode |
| 02:41.42 | sartan | i prefer grub |
| 02:41.54 | sartan | something about not having to maintain config files in /etc or something. |
| 02:42.01 | sartan | or a /boot |
| 02:42.24 | Wyzard | sartan: It's nice to not have to re-run lilo every time you install a new kernel |
| 02:42.33 | Wyzard | with the consequence that your system may be unbootable if you forget to |
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| 02:42.48 | sartan | yes, a little painful |
| 02:43.04 | Wyzard | and to be able to boot kernels that aren't explicitly mentioned in the config file, if you need to for troubleshooting purposes |
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| 02:43.40 | Wyzard | Just stick with GRUB and raid1 /boot |
| 02:43.55 | Wyzard | If a drive fails you have bigger problems to worry about than having to rerun grub-install |
| 02:43.59 | sartan | i'll change to grub as soon as i boot |
| 02:44.10 | sartan | the etch installer insists on lilo |
| 02:44.17 | Wyzard | no it doesn't |
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| 02:44.50 | Wyzard | Maybe in the special case where you've put /boot on a RAID, I dunno |
| 02:44.54 | Wyzard | certainly not in general |
| 02:45.18 | sartan | we'll see if that makes a difference if i can get that far in the install |
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| 02:45.29 | sartan | server crashes suck bigtime |
| 02:46.15 | Wyzard | You're setting up a server and don't have budget for a $400 RAID card? |
| 02:46.21 | sartan | For home? definately not. |
| 02:46.34 | Wyzard | ok, a home system |
| 02:46.53 | Wyzard | so it's not mission-critical or high-availability or anything |
| 02:46.56 | sartan | no. |
| 02:47.28 | sartan | Yargh! etch netinst image = broken. md5 sum failures when it tries to download kernels |
| 02:47.53 | sartan | So anyway this is the first time i've messed around with software raid. |
| 02:48.02 | sartan | back when i was still a server guy it w as all scsi and hardware |
| 02:48.04 | Wyzard | That's more likely a problem with the download than with the CD |
| 02:48.05 | sartan | no excuses |
| 02:48.34 | sartan | Wyzard: i think the cd is expecting an md5sum that the mirrors don't have. |
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| 02:48.59 | Wyzard | I doubt the md5sum is hard-coded into the CD |
| 02:49.07 | Wyzard | It probably downloads that too |
| 02:49.37 | rogermudd | Hey all... Any good links to download etch. The official links on the Debian web site are dog slow. |
| 02:49.44 | Wyzard | though I'm surprised if netinst is downloading a kernel at all... I thought only businesscard did that, and netinst had a kernel (along with the rest of the base system) right on the CD |
| 02:49.47 | zinx | it would be rather difficult to include the md5sum for the CD on the CD itself |
| 02:49.53 | Wyzard | rogermudd: Use a torrent |
| 02:49.56 | sartan | well maybe that's the part that's failing |
| 02:50.02 | sartan | i've tried all 6 options |
| 02:50.31 | sartan | it's frustrating to try this between cds because i have to reconfigure all of the raid stuff every boot. |
| 02:50.35 | Wyzard | sartan: though, they do say they were going to make some changes to etch that would break the beta3 installer, and to use the daily builds instead... |
| 02:50.42 | rogermudd | Wyzard: That's what I'm trying. I'm not talking about the download itself. I'm talking about navigating to the link to the bittorrent file. Can't even get there. |
| 02:50.51 | sartan | the weeklys? |
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| 02:51.21 | Wyzard | sartan: You could probably use that too, but scroll down a little farther on that page and there are daily builds of the installer |
| 02:51.30 | Wyzard | sartan: (the weeklies are snapshots of all of testing) |
| 02:51.30 | sartan | hmm yeah. |
| 02:51.36 | sartan | i did read that blurb and did try the beta3 initially |
| 02:51.41 | sartan | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:51.57 | afaik | what is the default postgres user's password on debian? |
| 02:52.17 | dondelelcaro | afaik: there isn't one. |
| 02:52.17 | sartan | i wish stable would work. Frustrating. |
| 02:52.26 | tonyb2006 | afaik: im gonna take a guess and say nothing, since thats what it is for mysql |
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| 02:52.53 | Wyzard | afaik: I don't think there is one... "ident sameuser" means you have to so to the postgres system user in order to access the postgres database user |
| 02:52.55 | afaik | nope... it's not nothing |
| 02:52.57 | dondelelcaro | postgresql doesn't do password authentication by default. |
| 02:53.09 | afaik | is there some way I can change the postgres users password as root? |
| 02:53.13 | Wyzard | afaik: as root, "su postgres" |
| 02:53.24 | afaik | yes |
| 02:53.26 | afaik | I fixed it |
| 02:53.29 | rogermudd | sartan: Thanks for the link. I already have that. But it doesn't seem to offer me a chance to install a desktop environment. This has led me down the road to major X issues. |
| 02:53.32 | afaik | as root, i did passwd user |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | afaik: and then run createuser to make yourself a new account with whatever privileges you want |
| 02:53.50 | afaik | sartan, you the same sartan that used to hang on #roms, on DALnet? |
| 02:53.51 | sartan | Roger: how about configurting the packages after first boot? |
| 02:53.54 | sartan | that's me |
| 02:54.01 | dondelelcaro | afaik: 1) you shouldn't be using the postgres user; 2) you have to change the pg_hba.conf if you want to do password authentication. |
| 02:54.26 | afaik | sartan, lol... good old times |
| 02:54.34 | sartan | that was a while ago =) |
| 02:54.40 | afaik | yeah |
| 02:54.45 | Wyzard | rogermudd: At the end of the installation you get a list of additional sets of packages you can optionally install, and "desktop system" is one of them |
| 02:54.51 | afaik | I was in college back then |
| 02:55.12 | enouf | abrotman: hey :-) concerning Red_Cloud ..is there anything else besides removing the extra # from the "#kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro" line in menu.lst that you recall, that helped him to be able to boot to both installations? .. just curious, and he seems a bit confused .. and so am I |
| 02:55.16 | afaik | heh... I actually visit a few colleges these days for speaking engagements for students |
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| 02:55.20 | sartan | i don't even remember how long ago back then was |
| 02:55.31 | afaik | sartan, 5 years or so maybe |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: i helped him ? |
| 02:56.59 | afaik | I used to idle in there all the time and leech MAME roms from ckmontana |
| 02:56.59 | rogermudd | Wyzard: For some reason it never works that way on my desktop system. Worked just fine on my laptop. I thought it had something to do with my Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. Then I tried it with corded input devices and had the same problem. |
| 02:56.59 | afaik | heh... idle is the least of it... I spent way to much time chatting in there |
| 02:56.59 | Wyzard | rogermudd: I don't think the installer cares what kind of keyboard you have |
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| 02:57.00 | enouf | abrotman: I thought so --> [21:20:11] <abrotman> Red_Cloud: glad it helped <<-- I just rejoined after a 2 hour testing installation |
| 02:57.00 | afaik | heck... almost an unhealthy amount of time... thankfully I broke the irc addiction :) |
| 02:57.02 | abrotman | enouf: no .. that was his mmap problem |
| 02:57.15 | rogermudd | Wyzard: I thought input devices were tied in some fashion to your X server. |
| 02:57.16 | Wyzard | afaik: ...as you say so on IRC :-P |
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| 02:57.40 | Wyzard | rogermudd: Yes, but not the installer... you should still have the opportunity to install the desktop packages |
| 02:57.49 | enouf | abrotman: oh .. ok .. thanks anyways :-) .. was that the DynamicMmap apt-get issues? |
| 02:57.52 | sartan | Yeah spent a long time there.. |
| 02:57.56 | sartan | i'm an irc whore |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | enouf: yes |
| 02:58.14 | rogermudd | Wyzard: Strange. I'll have to give it another shot and return if problems continue. Thanks for the input. |
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| 02:58.38 | enouf | ok .. thanks .. I thought doing what was in the APT-HOWTO would've cured it .. guess not .. thanks for the info |
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| 03:00.53 | Supaplex | regarding snmp, what are binary-coded octet strings? |
| 03:01.52 | Supaplex | maybe I'll pester the debian-isp mailing lists. |
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| 03:02.53 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 03:03.51 | flamesro1k | guys, what is a good linux program for importing and managing pictures from a canon DSLR camera? |
| 03:03.59 | flamesro1k | also, can I use it as a webcam?\ |
| 03:04.32 | Wyzard | http://www.afrotechmods.com/fuxx0red/snooler/snooler.htm |
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| 03:04.36 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:04.43 | Wyzard | sorry, meant to paste that in an IM window to someone |
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| 03:06.22 | Crankymonky | In the Etch NetInstall (or any install for that matter) If I de-select standard system, will that leave me with nothing just just the base system |
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| 03:08.34 | Wyzard | Crankymonky: yes |
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| 03:08.55 | Crankymonky | That's a yes towards just the base system or installing nothing? |
| 03:09.05 | nvz | you cant install nothing |
| 03:09.10 | Wyzard | oh, sorry, didn't read the question carefully enough |
| 03:09.17 | Wyzard | It's already installed the base system by the time it asks that |
| 03:09.40 | Wyzard | If you tell it not to install "standard system", it won't go on to install all the "Priority: standard" packages |
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| 03:11.08 | Crankymonky | Okay, sweet, Thanks a ton |
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| 03:11.23 | azureal | lo, i'm trying to list files and show their sizes, but ls -sh just says that the folders are only 4.0k, which is weird |
| 03:11.59 | azureal | i think i want a results sort of like "ls -shR | grep total" but better |
| 03:12.09 | azureal | any ideas? |
| 03:12.10 | Wyzard | azureal: The size of a directory is related to how many files (and subdirectories) are in it, not the actual size of the files |
| 03:12.13 | Wyzard | azureal: man du |
| 03:12.34 | azureal | ah, du -h thx |
| 03:12.43 | Wyzard | I usually use "du -sch" |
| 03:14.06 | nvz | heh "ah, du -h" |
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| 03:15.01 | Wyzard | Is ext4 support going to be in the 2.6.19 kernel? |
| 03:16.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: experimentally .. i think it's already there |
| 03:17.25 | abrotman | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3183866977.html |
| 03:17.51 | azureal | lol nvz |
| 03:18.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 03:18.42 | azureal | hehe.. quick irc question... what's the opposite of /notify (remove someone) |
| 03:19.01 | zinx | azureal: put a - in front |
| 03:19.13 | zinx | of the nick |
| 03:19.40 | azureal | er nope =P |
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| 03:19.59 | zinx | maybe you should note the client, then :/ |
| 03:20.11 | azureal | if i have nick on my list, then /notify -nick just adds -nick as well =P |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: looks to be in the -mm tree |
| 03:20.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, there seems to be a new package in sid today called "xenman" which claims to be a GTK-based GUI for Xen... that might counteract what I said earlier about Xen not having a nice UI like VMware |
| 03:20.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: oooh ... |
| 03:20.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: version 0.5 though |
| 03:20.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: though .. from what you said about the VT thing yesterday .. i might have to go with vmware .. ick |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | the 920 is core duo .. not core2 |
| 03:21.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, you need VT to run Windows in Xen |
| 03:21.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: You could upgrade it though |
| 03:21.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: servers at work .. not home boxen |
| 03:21.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's the same socket type so you could just install a core2 processor |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | yeah .. i know that |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | i'lltry it with vmware and see if it works |
| 03:23.47 | itchi | Is xen like qemu, vmware? |
| 03:23.54 | Wyzard | more or less, yeah |
| 03:24.23 | abrotman | qemu is pretty slow without kqemu |
| 03:24.28 | itchi | With xen, can we like qemu/vmware, run an virtual os in an os? |
| 03:24.29 | Wyzard | It has better performance but with the tradeoff that you have to use a kernel that's specially-compiled for it |
| 03:24.56 | Wyzard | and to run an OS whose kernel you can't modify for Xen support, like Windows, you need the latest Xen and a processor with VT support |
| 03:25.31 | myren | whats the intel cpu speed governor module? |
| 03:25.39 | myren | the one that adjust the mhz on the cpu |
| 03:25.41 | itchi | hhhm, so is better that i still leave with qemu then; btw; qemu have now also an nice little interface |
| 03:25.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: we'll see .. the core2 can be had for 220$ or so |
| 03:25.58 | Wyzard | I believe quemu emulates the entire processor |
| 03:26.08 | Wyzard | in which case it suffers a big performance hit because of that |
| 03:26.17 | Wyzard | Xen doesn't have to emulate much of anything |
| 03:26.19 | itchi | Wyzard: To be honnest, i dunno |
| 03:26.34 | itchi | myren: Hold on |
| 03:26.43 | myren | will do |
| 03:26.50 | Wyzard | itchi: According to the package description, it does |
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| 03:27.19 | itchi | myren: Try modprobe -l | grep cpufreq |
| 03:27.22 | myren | does /etc/shadow have any salt? |
| 03:27.27 | myren | itchi: the problem is mine isnt loaded |
| 03:27.41 | myren | ooh cool |
| 03:27.51 | itchi | Wyzard: I'm always happy with qemu, it does what i want at an near average good speed |
| 03:28.13 | myren | how can i monitor my cpu speed? |
| 03:28.25 | Wyzard | itchi: I've never used it |
| 03:28.28 | myren | i had special tools to do all this stuff /w my longrun transmeta cpu |
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| 03:28.38 | itchi | myren: Yup; that shows some output. The lines that are interestings are therse with */cpufreq_*.ko |
| 03:29.35 | itchi | myren: Look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | itchi: there's the kqemu which is supposed to help a lot |
| 03:29.51 | itchi | abrotman: Yup; i use that too ;-) |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:30.18 | itchi | abrotman: Just here on the laptop i get it not installed. Rebuild of the qemu source with kqemu fails |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | then you don't use it |
| 03:30.38 | myren | oh sweet |
| 03:30.40 | itchi | abrotman: I not get it compilled here |
| 03:30.49 | myren | this poor pentium M wont be runnign fullspeed the entire time |
| 03:30.51 | abrotman | right .. you don't use it |
| 03:30.58 | itchi | myren: I gess you saw in the path that you are on CPU0 |
| 03:31.03 | myren | yup |
| 03:31.11 | myren | thanks itchi |
| 03:31.58 | itchi | myren: Probably the modules you need to load are; cpufreq_ondemand, cpufreq_conservative, cpufreq_powersave |
| 03:32.15 | myren | yeah i tossed in ondemand |
| 03:32.19 | myren | since i'm plugged in |
| 03:32.24 | itchi | myren: To get it easy, look with 'modconf', you need eventually to install that |
| 03:32.46 | Wyzard | myren: You might be interested in the "cpufreqd" package |
| 03:32.47 | itchi | myren: Was the output not 'performance' (full power) ? |
| 03:32.59 | myren | it was performance, i altered it to ondemand |
| 03:33.07 | itchi | myren: Okay |
| 03:34.29 | itchi | myren: In 'modconf' section 'kernel/drivers/cpufreq' should show you the available modules |
| 03:34.29 | myren | is there any way to configure how many consoles a system has? |
| 03:34.40 | myren | i've only got F1 for a console and F4 for X |
| 03:34.46 | Wyzard | myren: Edit /etc/inittab and add more getty lines |
| 03:34.51 | myren | sweeet |
| 03:34.57 | Wyzard | myren: 3? The default is 6, with X on 7 |
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| 03:35.09 | itchi | myren: Use you gnome? |
| 03:35.23 | myren | no only two. no F2 or F3. |
| 03:35.34 | myren | i use some gnome apps |
| 03:35.42 | myren | rarely do i run gnome itself anymore |
| 03:35.57 | Wyzard | myren: Are you in runlevel 4 or 5 (instead of the default 2) somehow? |
| 03:36.08 | Wyzard | myren: In those runlevels, only the getty on VT1 runs, not the other five |
| 03:36.30 | itchi | myren: While experimenting with the /sys/... you can maybe add 2 CPU frequency monitor applets |
| 03:36.31 | myren | i'm at 5 |
| 03:36.37 | Wyzard | myren: Well, that's why |
| 03:36.41 | itchi | myren: So you see when you forget to scale one CPU ;-) |
| 03:37.02 | Wyzard | myren: Why 5? |
| 03:37.20 | myren | uh, i dont recall ever telling it anything about any runlevel |
| 03:37.33 | myren | afaik it may have been booting 5 for a year now |
| 03:37.33 | Wyzard | myren: The default is 2 |
| 03:37.52 | myren | the only way i know to alter that is via the boot params |
| 03:37.56 | Wyzard | myren: Look for "id:2:initdefault:" in /etc/inittab |
| 03:38.05 | myren | ok, cool |
| 03:38.12 | abrotman | or wahtever the number is now |
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| 03:39.09 | myren | yeah, it was 5 sure enough |
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| 03:39.40 | myren | this netinst is installing 195 packages. i think i might've left something enabled in the tasksel menu though. oops. |
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| 03:41.28 | pickcoder | does anyone know why snmp MIB would display blank results when using walk? |
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| 03:41.57 | myren | modconf will persist across reboots? |
| 03:42.04 | myren | its more than just /etc/modules right? |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:42.16 | Wyzard | abrotman: FYI, no apparent problems when usign ext3 on raid+crypt+lvm... I'll run like this for a few days to see if anything turns up |
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| 03:42.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: was it reiser3 or 4 ? |
| 03:42.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: 3 |
| 03:43.06 | abrotman | weird .. |
| 03:43.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm not going to use 4 until it's in the standard kernel |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | i'm not a reiser fan anyways .. but i would think 3 would be pretty stable/bug-free |
| 03:43.41 | itchi | abrotman: That the error i get about qemu http://pastebin.ca/246912 |
| 03:43.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: me too... and I don't really think it's a filesystem bug anyway |
| 03:44.04 | jelly-home | reiserfs has a history of hitting up bugs in other parts of kernel |
| 03:44.06 | unseensoul | is there any way to launch the gtklpq program while printing some document? well, i'm looking for a program that shows me the documents that are being printed...or that are in qeue |
| 03:44.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: but I wouldn't be surprised if reiser's B-trees are more vulenerable to block-level corruption than ext3's tables, which is why I'm not going to take my lack of immediate problems as evidence that ext3 is OK in this configuration |
| 03:44.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. guess we'll find out :) |
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| 03:50.36 | Wyzard | ...nope, I'm having problems even now |
| 03:50.48 | Wyzard | though of a different sort... but this was happening before too, and it's still happening now |
| 03:51.13 | Wyzard | I run aptitude, and sometimes it comes up fine |
| 03:51.35 | Wyzard | but sometimes the text in the menus at the top will be corrupted |
| 03:51.48 | Wyzard | or there'll be a line of nonsense at the top of the page |
| 03:52.13 | Wyzard | or, in this most recent case, the three hyphens that appear to the left of each section heading instead appear as two hyphens and a yen sign |
| 03:52.49 | unseensoul | does anyone could help me? |
| 03:53.18 | Wyzard | When I booted up I noticed a message saying it couldn't find "fsck.exte" when it should've said "fsck.ext3" |
| 03:53.55 | unseensoul | is there any way to launch the gtklpq program while printing some document? well, i'm looking for a program that shows me the documents that are being printed...or that are in qeue |
| 03:53.59 | Wyzard | I'd think this is a hardware problem, like random bytes in RAM getting corrupted or something, but if that was the case you'd think some bytes of executables would get corrupted too, and things would crash |
| 03:54.05 | Wyzard | and I can run UT2004 just fine |
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| 03:55.04 | Wyzard | not to mention that memtest didn't find any problems with the RAM |
| 03:56.17 | Supaplex | Wyzard: is this a momentary issue, or a long standing one? |
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| 03:56.36 | Wyzard | Supaplex: longstanding |
| 03:56.46 | Wyzard | Supaplex: in a new system that I built a few days ago |
| 03:56.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: i blame reiser ! |
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| 03:57.02 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm not even using reiser now |
| 03:57.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: did it just happen again ? |
| 03:57.20 | abrotman | oh ..i missed that |
| 03:57.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: not the filesystem corruption, but other stuff is still going wrong |
| 03:57.31 | abrotman | run a memtest ? |
| 03:57.51 | Wyzard | did that for six or seven hours the other day... first thing I did after I finished building the system |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | !info cpuburn sid |
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| 03:58.05 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-23 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 03:58.05 | Wyzard | and I ran another two passes yesterday just to be safe |
| 03:58.19 | Wyzard | yeah, I know about that |
| 03:58.34 | abrotman | compiling a kernel is okay? |
| 03:59.06 | Wyzard | I haven't tried that |
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| 04:00.14 | Wyzard | The RAM does feel a bit hot, but I don't know how hot is too hot |
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| 04:00.37 | Wyzard | I think I'm going to go with the earlier suggestion of pointing a fan into the case... though I don't think I actually have a fan here |
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| 04:01.22 | abrotman | oh duh .. qemu images :) |
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| 04:02.05 | sartan | which is short for porn |
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| 04:02.24 | abrotman | no .. it was qemu .. i had a bunch of stuff i was messing around with |
| 04:02.40 | abrotman | about 3GB worth |
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| 04:03.05 | abrotman | eh .. 4.5GB .. i'm a slob :) |
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| 04:04.07 | kintaro0e | hi guys..when i start login in to my desktop[gnome] there are applications that will starts up..like gnome-terminal and gedit..i check in the SESSIONS and delete the applications.when i restart still it will comes out..how to stop this..?any advice.. |
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| 04:07.07 | xfli | anyone know why gimp 2.3 from experimental complain about gimp-data even tho gimp-data is fine? |
| 04:07.11 | sartan | darn |
| 04:07.17 | sartan | finally got business card to install |
| 04:07.20 | sartan | but it's just hanging |
| 04:07.25 | abrotman | xfli: it's from experimental perhaps ... |
| 04:07.26 | sartan | grub didn't even fire |
| 04:07.30 | xfli | gimp: Depends: gimp-data (= 2.3.10-1) but it is not going to be installed but gimp-data is at gimp-data_2.3.12-2_all.deb |
| 04:07.53 | xfli | anyone know how to open photoshop png files ?? |
| 04:07.58 | abrotman | xfli: well .. 2.3.10-1 != 2.3.12-2 |
| 04:07.59 | xfli | cuz thats why i wanted to install 2.3 |
| 04:08.14 | amphi | xfli: photoshop breaks png? |
| 04:08.27 | xfli | er psd file |
| 04:08.39 | abrotman | that kpaint thingie ? |
| 04:08.39 | xfli | photoshop cs2 psd file |
| 04:08.39 | Supaplex | gimp opens them |
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| 04:08.47 | xfli | Supaplex: no it dont... |
| 04:08.51 | xfli | let me show you the error 1 sec |
| 04:08.54 | myren | i keep getting a "Couldn't set profile "On Demand Low" set for cpu0 from cpufreqd |
| 04:09.06 | xfli | i run sid btw so its gimp 2.2.x |
| 04:09.08 | Supaplex | oh, well cs2 may be a different story.. |
| 04:09.15 | xfli | no its some thing about the file |
| 04:09.15 | myren | even with maximum verbose the daemon never says why it cant set the mode |
| 04:09.17 | abrotman | my gimp says it does |
| 04:09.18 | xfli | here we go |
| 04:09.23 | xfli | dak@willie:23:08:09:~/Desktop$ gimp acc3.psd |
| 04:09.23 | xfli | PSD: The GIMP only supports 8-bit or 1-bit deep PSD images at this time. |
| 04:09.29 | abrotman | ah |
| 04:09.41 | abrotman | so you think the version from exp will fix that ? |
| 04:09.46 | xfli | maybe :/ |
| 04:09.51 | xfli | im hoping |
| 04:09.57 | xfli | any other apps that will open a psd file ? |
| 04:10.04 | abrotman | ever think to ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org before mucking the box ? |
| 04:10.08 | Supaplex | photoshop will |
| 04:10.16 | xfli | before muchking the box? |
| 04:10.19 | xfli | i run a mix distro |
| 04:10.21 | Supaplex | oh, and mac os x preview |
| 04:10.24 | xfli | of sid and experimental |
| 04:10.40 | Supaplex | xfli: did you forget the support contract? |
| 04:10.48 | abrotman | then you should understand the error the package is showing |
| 04:10.59 | xfli | what Supaplex ? |
| 04:11.18 | abrotman | xfli: anyways .. ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org .. see if they think a newer version will hlep |
| 04:11.29 | Supaplex | xfli: you think this is a debian issue? haha :-d |
| 04:11.54 | xfli | Supaplex: i didnt say it was a debian issue, but i thought with almost 700 people in the c hannel some one would know of a linux app that would open a psd file |
| 04:12.07 | xfli | i love the huge ego's in this channel, really. |
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| 04:12.22 | abrotman | eh .. i think i told you where you might get some useful info |
| 04:12.22 | Supaplex | well you act like you were complaining, that's all |
| 04:12.43 | Supaplex | like "it's broke - wah" but I mis read. |
| 04:12.46 | xfli | Supaplex: i was asking a question, if i was complaining id be like "why the hell dont this trash work" |
| 04:12.54 | anilomkar | Hi all, Can any one tell me how to install picasa in debian? |
| 04:12.58 | xfli | and yes i know i can do a force iinstall threw dpkg |
| 04:13.14 | xfli | iv only been using debian from slink/hamm |
| 04:13.19 | xfli | gee i must be a fool right |
| 04:13.20 | xfli | blah |
| 04:13.29 | Supaplex | I'm wrong ok? |
| 04:13.40 | abrotman | am i on /ignore ? |
| 04:13.42 | xfli | sorry for going off |
| 04:13.47 | xfli | no you arent abrotman |
| 04:13.51 | xfli | i dont ignore people |
| 04:13.57 | abrotman | i'm just being mentally ignored :) |
| 04:14.08 | xfli | picasa is for windows only right ? |
| 04:14.18 | xfli | have you seen www.hello.com |
| 04:14.19 | abrotman | no .. i think picasa is for linux now too .. |
| 04:14.21 | xfli | pretty cool |
| 04:14.22 | abrotman | !picasa |
| 04:14.25 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 04:14.29 | anilomkar | yes |
| 04:14.40 | abrotman | http://picasa.google.com/linux/ |
| 04:14.45 | Supaplex | woah, I smell a furnace |
| 04:14.49 | Supaplex | it's on?! |
| 04:14.55 | abrotman | it's cold ? |
| 04:15.13 | Supaplex | not for long :P |
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| 04:15.29 | abrotman | turn on a server! |
| 04:15.42 | Supaplex | 10's not enough, I know :-/ |
| 04:15.43 | abrotman | xfli: there is a #gimp on that irc server right ? |
| 04:16.10 | abrotman | Supaplex: time to join the builldd |
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| 04:18.20 | DavidProck1981 | finialy im back |
| 04:18.32 | DavidProck1981 | learnd a little along the way |
| 04:19.37 | DavidProck1981 | would any one know why the control center is blank (the list of options on the letf) |
| 04:19.47 | DavidProck1981 | in running etch |
| 04:20.32 | DavidProck1981 | and i found out something odd that might be a bug |
| 04:20.39 | DavidProck1981 | who do i report it too |
| 04:20.42 | DavidProck1981 | and how |
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| 04:21.19 | mick_linux | ask us if it is a bug or expected behavior - if it is a big -> search bugs.debian.org -- if not submitted then submit a new one |
| 04:21.26 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: ^^^ |
| 04:21.33 | mick_linux | bug* |
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| 04:22.09 | myren | are there hardware frequirements for the different cpufreq governors? |
| 04:22.41 | myren | i can only get performance and powersave in scaling_available_governors, even though cpufreq_ondemand and cpufreq_conservative are also loaded |
| 04:22.48 | DavidProck1981 | ok on my backup hdd every time i play a movie it copys the hole thing the the home directory of what ever account im on before it plays, it does it on root and normal user |
| 04:23.13 | DavidProck1981 | the the = in the, mady typo |
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| 04:23.53 | TehKewl1 | can I edit the control file of a binary debian package I made? |
| 04:23.58 | DavidProck1981 | can any one else on etch theck that out |
| 04:24.11 | DavidProck1981 | check* |
| 04:24.13 | itchi | Sind today, i get some strange messages in dmesg http://pastebin.ca/247226 |
| 04:25.19 | itchi | For the laptop i had need to give as boot param 'install libata.atapi_enable=1' so that the CD rom was reconised by the installed. I dunno if this is related to it |
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| 04:25.29 | huhlig | hey anyone here familier with samba? |
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| 04:26.27 | itchi | huhlig: Ask and people will see if these can give an answer |
| 04:26.29 | medc | hello |
| 04:26.35 | medc | i got an issue with beryl |
| 04:26.43 | huhlig | Im looking for a copy of samba for windows |
| 04:26.44 | Aim_Here | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 04:27.01 | Aim_Here | Haha, huhlig - samba just implements windows filesharing |
| 04:27.05 | medc | i try to started beryl-xgl... it start but the screen goes black |
| 04:27.14 | huhlig | Aim_Here, yes but it does so better |
| 04:27.25 | huhlig | Aim_Here, windows you cant do a search via IP |
| 04:27.29 | huhlig | unless im missing something |
| 04:27.35 | medc | Aim_Here, i start samba and i have a windows network attached but i cannot see any machine |
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| 04:27.52 | summatusmentis | Media device: Failed to create directory Èø2/iPod_Control/Music/F00 |
| 04:27.54 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.57 | medc | i try to started beryl-xgl... it start but the screen goes black |
| 04:27.57 | Aim_Here | Well I'm guessing nobody's ported samba to windows, for obvious reasons. |
| 04:28.11 | summatusmentis | I recently upgraded amarok from the etch repos, suggestions? |
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| 04:28.44 | huhlig | heh |
| 04:28.44 | medc | Aim_Here, i also config samba with the name of the network and nothing :S |
| 04:28.45 | huhlig | it was worth a try |
| 04:28.54 | DavidProck1981 | does any body that is useing Debian ETCH have another Hard Drive that u keep movies on (besides the hard drive that the os is on), Well it u do look in your home folder, the same path that hilds your Desktop folder, make sure the movie is not in there, than play a movie and see if it makes a copy there, can someone test that? |
| 04:29.09 | Aim_Here | You have to set the WORKGROUP setting on both windows and samba to be the same, IIRC |
| 04:29.15 | Aim_Here | Otherwise they miss each other |
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| 04:29.46 | medc | IIRC? |
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| 04:30.46 | medc | Aim_Here, did u read the beryl issu i got? |
| 04:31.07 | Aim_Here | I read it, but I know nothing about beryl, so I figured I'd let someone else answer that |
| 04:31.08 | itchi | medc: If I Remember/Recall Correctly (Usenet, IRC, telecommunication-slang) -- out of the dict |
| 04:32.14 | medc | itchi, diccionary update--thnks ^^ |
| 04:32.25 | DavidProck1981 | ok im going to do something fill up my partition that debian is installed on, THEN go to play a movie and when it cant copy because it if full, SEE if i get a error and if the movie will play |
| 04:32.30 | medc | Aim_Here, thnks dude |
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| 04:33.01 | medc | i try to started beryl-xgl... it start but the screen goes black |
| 04:33.09 | medc | blank |
| 04:33.13 | summatusmentis | DavidProck1981, what are you having issues w/? |
| 04:33.36 | DavidProck1981 | every time i play a movie it...... |
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| 04:34.05 | DavidProck1981 | play one off of my backup hard drive it...... |
| 04:34.09 | Aim_Here | What application are you using? |
| 04:34.25 | DavidProck1981 | copys the hole thing to my home folder before it plays |
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| 04:34.48 | DavidProck1981 | im useing noatum |
| 04:34.50 | itchi | DavidProck1981: It will interesting to post that on the Usenet |
| 04:35.09 | DavidProck1981 | see if it does it to u |
| 04:35.23 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I'm on the laptop, one HDD only |
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| 04:36.02 | DavidProck1981 | hold on ill do a better test, ill copy one to the desktop then see if it trys to copy it to the home folder |
| 04:36.12 | DavidProck1981 | and what is Usenet |
| 04:36.13 | eggleston | i need to find my local/internal ip. how can i do this anyone? |
| 04:36.29 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, ifconfig |
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| 04:36.51 | Aim_Here | eggleston, netstat -i -e |
| 04:36.54 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 04:37.02 | Aim_Here | or ifconfig, if you want to su root first |
| 04:37.24 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, is this it? inet addr:10.1.1.3 |
| 04:37.27 | summatusmentis | noone else has issues with amarok? |
| 04:38.01 | karrotx | f$$$$ |
| 04:38.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, no its probibly something like 192.168.0(or 1).something |
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| 04:38.27 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, 127.0.0.1? |
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| 04:38.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, no thats your loopback |
| 04:38.54 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, it should be named "inet addr:" |
| 04:39.01 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, this is my external ip: 203.87.6.82 i am looking for the one my modem calls me |
| 04:39.10 | DavidProck1981 | if i put it on the Desktop, it Dont copy it to the home folder, so what would that mean |
| 04:39.32 | DavidProck1981 | but if on a different harddrive it does |
| 04:39.36 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, this is the only inet addr: other than the loopback "inet addr:10.1.1.3" |
| 04:39.44 | summatusmentis | DavidProck1981, the folder for the desktop is already in your home folder |
| 04:39.46 | tejing | hey, I'm moving up to the modular X.org, and I was wondering what special hoops you have to jump through to get the nvidia driver working for it. |
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| 04:40.18 | summatusmentis | s/folder/directory |
| 04:40.27 | DavidProck1981 | ok ill moce it out of the home path |
| 04:40.29 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 04:40.57 | itchi | DavidProck1981: mailinglist, forum |
| 04:40.59 | DavidProck1981 | ok i moved to / LOL |
| 04:41.07 | DavidProck1981 | the root of the FS |
| 04:41.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, I am not sure... I use a gateway. But I think the modem refures to you as 203.87.6.82 |
| 04:41.55 | DavidProck1981 | no it did not copt it then ither |
| 04:42.03 | DavidProck1981 | so what is giong on |
| 04:42.23 | r0tu | I just recompiled my kernel, 2.6.18.1. I downloaded it from kernel.org. Recompiled into .deb. Installed and rebooted. It's getting kernel panic saying it can't see /dev/hda2 ... 0,0 is invalid. Thing is... my previous kernel has the exact boot options |
| 04:42.28 | Gokee2_Laptop | referers* |
| 04:42.43 | r0tu | .. any suggestions or directions? |
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| 04:43.04 | DavidProck1981 | alll my hdd's r Ext |
| 04:43.10 | DavidProck1981 | Ext3 |
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| 04:43.28 | sartan | r0tu: you might be missing your specific harddrive bios from the kernel config |
| 04:43.38 | Aim_Here | r0tu, did you compile your IDE drivers into the kernel, rather than use a module? |
| 04:43.43 | summatusmentis | DavidProck1981, this is a local HD? as in, not across a network? |
| 04:43.56 | DavidProck1981 | ly local |
| 04:44.00 | Aim_Here | And try it without any initrd line that might be there |
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| 04:44.06 | r0tu | interesting... very posible.. checking.... thanks.. brb |
| 04:44.10 | DavidProck1981 | all of them r on the mother board |
| 04:44.24 | summatusmentis | the second HD is mounted, yes? |
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| 04:44.28 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 04:44.30 | Aim_Here | Start with the initrd line since that's the easiest fix |
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| 04:45.56 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Try out knode, pan, slrn or whatever as newsreader, and ask for more help on the debian list?? |
| 04:46.30 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know about a newz reader |
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| 04:47.06 | itchi | DavidProck1981: That's why i insist a bit ;-) |
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| 04:47.23 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, Aim_Here. omfg i FINALLY managed to get a port forwarded. i've probably spent about 10 hours total trying, different browsers, methods, numbers, everything. i tried telnetting my modem, had to find a guide on the internet, it FINALLY WORKS! |
| 04:47.27 | itchi | DavidProck1981: It's like sending an mai;-) |
| 04:47.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, Some type of firewalled modem? |
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| 04:48.01 | r0tu | could not adding 'modules_install' on the end of my make-kpkg kernel-image command do it? |
| 04:48.07 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You can get there also good support, for some type of questions, it is also easier and better to ask there |
| 04:48.15 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, yeah it's got like a NAT |
| 04:48.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, So where did you forward it to to make it work? |
| 04:48.43 | Aim_Here | r0tu, if you've not installed the modules for your particular kernel flavour, then that might well be the problem |
| 04:48.55 | tejing | anyone know if it's even possible to use the nvidia driver with modular X.org? |
| 04:49.06 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You can read the newsgroups on Google too. But that's an web interface and personally not so easy to use as an newsreader |
| 04:49.08 | r0tu | Aim_Here: is that what 'modules_install' does? |
| 04:49.08 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, well i had to make it know that when someone tried to access 52525 that to send it to my computer. |
| 04:49.21 | tejing | or do I have to stay with monolithic? |
| 04:49.38 | Aim_Here | Erm, 'make modules_install' does that when I compile kernels |
| 04:50.02 | exobyte | I want to write a disk image from one drive to another, but the other is on a remote system. When I try to use scp, it tells me it isn't a regular file. Any good ways to do this? |
| 04:50.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, I use a gateway (ipcop) to forward ports to whatever computer on my network I want |
| 04:50.19 | r0tu | Aim_Here: do you mean it does that when you do kernel-image |
| 04:50.47 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, But it seems seeing you must only have one computer you could just have it forward everything to your computer |
| 04:50.48 | tejing | exobyte: I'd just cat it through netcat |
| 04:51.23 | Aim_Here | r0tu, I don't know about make-kpkg, so I'm wouldn't know that. Being a luddite, I generally just install stock kernel.org kernels with 'make install' |
| 04:51.39 | r0tu | I see |
| 04:52.03 | Aim_Here | I'd look inside your .deb file and make sure that there modules are being unpacked to /lib/modules/2.6.19-whatever |
| 04:52.27 | DavidProck1981 | im not really sure the proper way to enter a harddrive into fstab so i use one one of the line's all ready on there as a tammplate, COULD any part of this line be causeing the problem """/dev/hdh1 /mnt/BackUp ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1""" |
| 04:53.14 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.42 | DavidProck1981 | what is the "1" at the end for |
| 04:54.02 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: man fstab |
| 04:54.14 | r0tu | interesting.. when I 'dpkg -L kernel-image...' I get "kernel-image...deb not installed"... though it's in grub and I used -i to install |
| 04:54.50 | DavidProck1981 | could any part of that be the ploblem as to why is copys the movie to my home folder before it plays |
| 04:54.51 | Guerin | r0tu: what does dpkg -l say? |
| 04:54.52 | Aim_Here | Hmm, are the appropriate modules sitting there in /lib/modules/2.6.19-foo? |
| 04:55.12 | r0tu | same "No packages found matching kernel-image-2.6.18.1_10.00.Custom_i386.deb." |
| 04:55.14 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: that sounds like your player being stupid |
| 04:55.44 | r0tu | Aim_Here: Check modules in lin |
| 04:55.45 | r0tu | lib |
| 04:55.50 | Guerin | r0tu: dpkg -l |grep kernel-image |
| 04:55.55 | eggleston | Gokee2_Laptop, yeah, but i reckon i'll just open one port at a time because that's apparently safer |
| 04:56.08 | DavidProck1981 | ill try a diffrent one one sec, that was just the default one |
| 04:56.12 | r0tu | no... I'm going to try to modules_install option and see if that works.. |
| 04:56.13 | Gokee2_Laptop | eggleston, It is safer |
| 04:56.22 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: there is no default in debian |
| 04:57.00 | DavidProck1981 | well the one that chose to open by its self |
| 04:57.15 | r0tu | sorry... modules_image |
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| 04:59.19 | DavidProck1981 | ya it just seems to be the player, hot can i fix it |
| 04:59.42 | DavidProck1981 | how* |
| 05:00.13 | exobyte | tejing: sweet. thank you |
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| 05:00.32 | tejing | np :-) |
| 05:00.42 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Which player is it? |
| 05:00.44 | r0tu | Aim_Here: I'm getting errors on my acx100 modules.. though I don't want them installed... they aren't picked in the .config, how can I stop them from loading |
| 05:01.11 | r0tu | this is during make-kpkg modules_image |
| 05:01.12 | DavidProck1981 | noatun |
| 05:01.37 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: don't use that player -> problem solved |
| 05:01.45 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 05:01.49 | Guerin | that's useless and stupid |
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| 05:01.59 | Guerin | use vlc |
| 05:02.17 | DavidProck1981 | oh how can i set the system to open up a different flayer when i doubble click a movie file |
| 05:02.28 | baegle | I recently did a dist-upgrade on etch and I just started noticing this. On certain websites (mysql.org, w3.org, others) text simply doesn't display properly, neither in FireFox nor in Opera. I get blank spaces, or underlines. If I highlight the areas where the text should be it shows up sometimes, if I scroll away from the areas and back sometimes the text returns, but usually disappears after any page interaction. Is this a problem wit |
| 05:02.48 | Guerin | baegle: font problem |
| 05:02.48 | Aim_Here | r0tu, AFAIK, get a new wireless card, or recompile it to be quieter. The acx100 does have a problem with spurious errors |
| 05:03.01 | Guerin | baegle: wait a few days and upgrade, or ask debian-user |
| 05:03.07 | Aim_Here | at least, the 20060521 drivers did, I'm not sure if there's a newer set |
| 05:03.07 | Guerin | baegle: mailing list |
| 05:03.26 | baegle | what happens in a few days? |
| 05:04.11 | Guerin | baegle: hopefully it gets fixed |
| 05:04.19 | r0tu | Aim_Here: Yea, I'm just not installing it as of now... but have already "injected" my kernel... it's trying to do something with the modules, but I don't want it to.. how can I kill that? |
| 05:04.32 | baegle | Guerin: I'm still new to all this, is there a posted schedule somewhere? |
| 05:04.39 | Guerin | baegle: no. |
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| 05:04.51 | Aim_Here | You mean it's trying to modprobe the modules? Just blacklist them |
| 05:04.56 | Guerin | baegle: you should probably be using stable if you're concerned about such things |
| 05:04.57 | DavidProck1981 | YO BAEGLE , since u got ETCH is your Control Center blake |
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| 05:05.14 | baegle | my control center? |
| 05:05.23 | DavidProck1981 | baegle? |
| 05:05.26 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 05:05.29 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Try to avoid aol language please |
| 05:05.35 | baegle | what like gnome? |
| 05:05.38 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: insert hand into blender, blend on hi for 30 seconds |
| 05:06.01 | DavidProck1981 | it has a green icon in the KMenu |
| 05:06.09 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you'll still be as stupid as ever, you just won't be able to type |
| 05:06.09 | r0tu | Nah, I'm not sure what 'make-kpkg modules_image' does exacly.. though I think it puts all the modules over to yoru /lib... folder.. it's crapping on the acx modules that I don't want and don't ahve picked in .config |
| 05:06.13 | baegle | I don't use KDE |
| 05:06.21 | GenNMX | If I'm trying to set a variable in BASH to a certain string and I get a > prompt, what character in my string is causing this, and how can I get around it? |
| 05:06.39 | DavidProck1981 | oh well got gnome have it too |
| 05:06.46 | baegle | I don't use Gnome :) |
| 05:06.52 | Guerin | GenNMX: what is BASH? |
| 05:06.54 | DavidProck1981 | dont* |
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| 05:07.01 | baegle | I avoid desktops like the plague, I use straight wmaker |
| 05:07.11 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 05:07.29 | GenNMX | Guerin: Bourne Again SHell, based on SH. |
| 05:07.30 | DavidProck1981 | well that is a deshtop LOL |
| 05:07.39 | baegle | it's a window manager actually |
| 05:07.52 | Guerin | GenNMX: it thought that was bash... or maybe it's bash patches to ONLY ACCEPT GREAT RUNES? |
| 05:07.55 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 05:08.03 | sparr | GenNMX: i was under the impression that BASH was based on BSH |
| 05:08.09 | Guerin | GenNMX: probably ' or " |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | based on the bourne shell, which ISTR being sh |
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| 05:08.28 | GenNMX | Guerin: It's technically an acronym, so BASH is acceptable ;) |
| 05:08.30 | sparr | ahh, i got it |
| 05:09.02 | Guerin | GenNMX: technically, it's not quite an acronym - it's be bas if it was |
| 05:09.15 | Guerin | unless it was the bourne again shell happiness or such |
| 05:09.29 | Guerin | not that I'm a pedant |
| 05:09.32 | unseensoul | is there any graphical print manager which is loaded everytime a document is printed? |
| 05:09.41 | DavidProck1981 | can i get a Vote from u all, What u say the best Video Player is? |
| 05:09.44 | Guerin | unseensoul: what use would that be? |
| 05:09.50 | Guerin | !polls |
| 05:09.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:09.54 | GenNMX | Guerin: I believe acronyms can include more then two letters in a word as part of the acronym -- (B)ourne (A)gain (SH)ell |
| 05:09.58 | tuv | DavidProck1981, mplayer |
| 05:10.10 | Guerin | GenNMX: official opinion is divided |
| 05:10.21 | Guerin | GenNMX: actually, it might not be, I'm just saying it is. |
| 05:10.25 | Guerin | ;) |
| 05:10.28 | unseensoul | Guerin, what do you think? managing...:) |
| 05:11.01 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install mplayer DONT WORK |
| 05:11.10 | DavidProck1981 | howw can i geti t |
| 05:11.17 | tuv | !tell DavidProck1981 about debian-multimedia |
| 05:11.26 | itchi | DavidProck1981: s/apt-get/aptitude/ ;-) |
| 05:11.40 | GenNMX | Guerin: I'm just getting it off GNU's page on bash ;) |
| 05:11.55 | GenNMX | Guerin: Sorry, author's page, not gnu's. |
| 05:12.07 | tuv | DavidProck1981, you need the debian-multimedia.org repository in your sources.list |
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| 05:13.45 | exobyte | is there a good way to check on how far dd is when doing something that takes a while? |
| 05:13.53 | anilomkar | Everytime when i am logging in why my volume is muted? |
| 05:13.55 | peterS | exobyte: yeah, 'kill -USR1' it |
| 05:13.58 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: send it a -USR1 |
| 05:13.59 | GenNMX | Guerin: Anyway, I found " and ' and ` in my string, I substituted them for other characters. |
| 05:13.59 | peterS | exobyte: it will print a status report |
| 05:14.03 | tuv | exobyte, check output file size |
| 05:14.50 | exobyte | peterS: I don't have to to -s SIGUSR1 ? |
| 05:15.04 | peterS | exobyte: do whatever you want. I would just kill -USR1 |
| 05:15.10 | exobyte | ok |
| 05:15.43 | exobyte | cool |
| 05:15.43 | exobyte | thanks |
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| 05:15.50 | peterS | exobyte: to be honest I'd just insert pv into the pipeline somewhere, instead. pv is great for exactly this purpose. |
| 05:16.12 | Guerin | GenNMX: putting a \ in front works too |
| 05:16.18 | peterS | exobyte: so for example: 'pv -s60G < /dev/hda1 > /dev/hdc1' if you think hda1 is about 60 GB and want to copy it to hdc1 |
| 05:16.40 | DavidProck1981 | ok now that deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main is in my list , now what |
| 05:16.48 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: use fucking vlc like I told you |
| 05:17.00 | DavidProck1981 | i did not see u type that |
| 05:17.01 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you're too stupid to use anything not in debian |
| 05:17.20 | eggleston | Guerin, hey hey hey, this doesn't sound very nice |
| 05:17.29 | Guerin | eggleston: i'm a bastard, deal. |
| 05:17.35 | tuv | DavidProck1981, aptitude update; aptitude install mplayer |
| 05:17.40 | exobyte | peterS: cool. thanks |
| 05:17.55 | tengulre | anybody running a linux server at home? |
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| 05:17.57 | eggleston | Guerin, lol. |
| 05:17.58 | Guerin | !anyone use a linux server at home? |
| 05:17.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses a linux server at home, not even the people who use it. |
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| 05:18.02 | Guerin | !lol |
| 05:18.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:18.11 | sparr | lol isnt an onomatopoeia |
| 05:18.15 | sparr | it's an acronym |
| 05:18.20 | peterS | no, it's ascii art |
| 05:18.22 | sparr | unlike dpkg's other examples |
| 05:18.39 | sparr | if you have a problem with lol then you have to object to rofl as well |
| 05:18.42 | Guerin | sparr: lol is what a dog does with its tongue when hot |
| 05:18.48 | peterS | sparr: yes, we do object to rofl as well |
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| 05:19.06 | eggleston | lol is an evil habit i am addicted to. i know it's retarded |
| 05:19.07 | DavidProck1981 | what does this mean W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signa tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07 DC563D1F41B907 |
| 05:19.07 | Guerin | sparr: it doesn't follow that since SOME acroyms make you look retarded, all do |
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| 05:19.10 | sparr | Guerin: that would be "loll" |
| 05:19.22 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: it means 'you're too fucking stupid to do this, don't bother' |
| 05:19.26 | sparr | peterS: then at least youre consistent |
| 05:19.28 | Guerin | sparr: details details |
| 05:19.29 | tuv | DavidProck1981, read the FAQ of debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:19.34 | peterS | sparr: I try to be |
| 05:19.50 | baegle | When did this major backlash against acronymns like "lol" and "rofl" start |
| 05:19.58 | Guerin | baegle: 1993 |
| 05:19.59 | peterS | baegle: four years and 3 months ago |
| 05:20.11 | sparr | DavidProck1981: a lot of repositories dont maintain keys. a couple of years ago apt got really anal about it and started complaining. just learn to live with it. |
| 05:20.19 | Guerin | google 'the september that never ended' |
| 05:20.32 | peterS | oh yes, 1993 was the first backlash |
| 05:20.35 | tuv | sparr, debian-multimedia does have keys. it's in the FAQ |
| 05:20.43 | baegle | I'm pretty certain you'll see some quite respectable users using those "acronymns" in the recent past |
| 05:20.58 | peterS | baegle: you mean some _otherwise_ respectable users |
| 05:21.20 | Guerin | baegle: so? some heads of state use words like 'misunderestimate' |
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| 05:21.35 | baegle | and Guerin, why are you being so hard on DavidProck1981? |
| 05:21.37 | peterS | Guerin: there's some debate about whether these heads of state are in fact respectable, though |
| 05:21.47 | DavidProck1981 | any other things ill probly want to add the source list for future feffreance |
| 05:21.49 | baegle | what the hell is with the negativity here |
| 05:21.59 | Guerin | baegle: because he refuses to help himself, and has been so refusing for days now |
| 05:22.09 | tuv | DavidProck1981, add only what you really need |
| 05:22.32 | peterS | baegle: the thing about lol is not negativity, it's just kindly informing users that they look retarded and that if they want to stop looking retarded, now they know how |
| 05:22.52 | eggleston | Guerin, do you actually know this guy? or are you just being driven insane by long term contact with him purely over IRC? |
| 05:22.53 | peterS | wouldn't you say that's nicer than just calling them retarded behind their backs? |
| 05:22.54 | sparr | tuv: i know this. many repositories dont. but apt never complained about it (to me) until the beginning of this year (or was it last year) when i had to get new keys for the official repositories for the first time |
| 05:22.55 | Guerin | baegle: all communities have norms. #debian has fewer than most, but we do hold them dear. |
| 05:22.56 | baegle | actually, DavidProck was told to put his hand in a blender because of it |
| 05:23.13 | Guerin | eggleston: i'm nothing like insane, I'm perfectly rational |
| 05:23.16 | DavidProck1981 | if i want to check out beryl what would i put |
| 05:23.30 | baegle | Guerin: I've been visiting debian for almost 2 years now, I've never seen any told they look retarded for using LOL |
| 05:23.34 | sparr | peterS: so what is your preferred way to indicate on IRC that something funny resulted in you audibly laughing? |
| 05:23.43 | eggleston | Guerin, aplogies, didn't mean to say you were insane, but have you met him or just don't like him because of what you've seen of him on here? |
| 05:23.44 | sparr | "thats so funny it made me laugh" seems a bit bulky |
| 05:23.54 | Guerin | eggleston: ove the past few days I've been friendly and nice and recommended he help himself by LEARNING about shit rather than trying to just mash keys randomly. It's now time to call spades shovels. |
| 05:23.57 | peterS | sparr: I generally go with "heh", in the classic #debian mode |
| 05:24.01 | Guerin | baegle: you haven't been paying attention. |
| 05:24.47 | sparr | peterS: err, "heh" to me indicates mild humor. "hehe" perhaps less mild. but neither carries the connotation of a person actually laughing. |
| 05:24.48 | peterS | sparr: I also do 'ha' and 'hehe' and, when feeling like Butt-Head, "heh-heh-heh-heh" |
| 05:24.50 | eggleston | Guerin, hhahaha, okay. well he seems to be taking the abuse lying down. |
| 05:25.24 | Guerin | sparr: the good thing about heh is that it's open-ended |
| 05:25.59 | sparr | i might say "heh" for something clever, or a little humorous. a link to a witty quote or what not. using that same term to mean that something made me actually laugh makes both usages less meaningful |
| 05:26.04 | peterS | sparr: if I want to indicate that something is mildly amusing but I am not actually cracking a smile, I just ... don't say anything at all. that level of nuance doesn't seem all that important. or I might say heh anyway. |
| 05:26.11 | DavidProck1981 | later |
| 05:26.19 | baegle | later DavidProck1981 |
| 05:26.27 | sparr | peterS: im not talking about smiling, im talking about "guy in the next cubicle asks what you are laughing at" |
| 05:26.37 | sparr | peterS: hence the "out loud" part of lol |
| 05:26.55 | eggleston | peterS, Guerin, when you realise the level of discussion you've just given to this topic, does it make you feel like a nerd? |
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| 05:27.12 | DavidProck1981 | oh and Guerin, can u be a bit nicer to the new ppl that want to try |
| 05:27.13 | peterS | eggleston: I haven't stopped feeling like a nerd in about 23 years |
| 05:27.21 | amphi | !ppl |
| 05:27.21 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 05:27.23 | peterS | that's about the time I first realised I was one |
| 05:27.34 | DavidProck1981 | ppl = people |
| 05:27.43 | Guerin | eggleston: I do enough un-nerdly things to not feel ashamed. |
| 05:27.47 | Guerin | !ppl |
| 05:27.47 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 05:27.56 | Guerin | parts per litre |
| 05:28.00 | DavidProck1981 | people |
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| 05:28.05 | Guerin | that's better |
| 05:28.11 | Guerin | now you sound like one |
| 05:28.16 | sparr | eliminating wasted effort in language is a matter of cultural evolution. its not something you can stop. ppl is a bit much, but it's not as far out there as some "text-speak" kids are using these days. |
| 05:28.21 | eggleston | peterS, good for you that you can admit that |
| 05:28.43 | DavidProck1981 | later |
| 05:28.45 | amphi | !people |
| 05:28.45 | dpkg | people are stupid |
| 05:28.48 | eggleston | Guerin, yeah, i try to even myself out by doing something energetic equally for the time i spend on the comp. it's not working out too well so far. |
| 05:28.53 | amphi | heh |
| 05:28.56 | Guerin | sparr: evolution is the result of various forces. People wanting to retain the status quo are a valid force. |
| 05:28.58 | peterS | eggleston: hmmm. I spent about 90 minutes teaching dance lessons tonight and 2 hours dancing. sometimes that makes me feel bit less like a nerd. |
| 05:28.58 | sparr | when i was working in web hosting tech support, i encountered customers who pronounced "www" as "dub dub dub". i borrowed the idea, and pronounce the letter "w" as "dub" now. theres no reason to waste 3 syllables on a single letter when one distinct one will do. |
| 05:29.02 | eggleston | !person |
| 05:29.02 | dpkg | well, person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 05:29.29 | eggleston | peterS, dancing? like ballet? |
| 05:29.30 | sparr | i havent begun my crusade against "sev-en" yet, but its coming :) |
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| 05:29.42 | Guerin | eggleston: i constructed a bed today, using a saw, chisel, file, sandpaper and timber. |
| 05:29.47 | peterS | eggleston: there's no way I could do ballet. no, this is merely social dancing, which is about 800 times easier |
| 05:30.03 | eggleston | peterS, oh okay. cool. |
| 05:30.10 | amphi | Guerin: does it work? ;) |
| 05:30.20 | eggleston | Guerin, did you use an unneccesary amount of power tools? |
| 05:30.30 | Guerin | amphi: it hasn't been properly tested yet, but preliminary indications are good. |
| 05:30.36 | peterS | I saw some pretty cool ballet last night. I can't say I was blown away but I was reminded what a difference there is in difficulty levels between social dancing and performance dancing |
| 05:30.44 | Guerin | eggleston: i don't own any power tools, so I just used the tools listed above. |
| 05:31.04 | eggleston | Guerin, real men use power tools they can't need or safely handle. it's the law |
| 05:31.20 | peterS | eggleston: no, real men don't need power tools to feel like real men |
| 05:31.23 | sparr | peterS: good. your grasp of such nuance indicates that you are on your way to understanding the distinction between "heh" and "lol" then :) |
| 05:31.39 | eggleston | peterS, it's part of being a bloke. hahahha |
| 05:31.44 | Guerin | eggleston: power tools are easy, doing joinery by eyeometer and chisel is hard. |
| 05:31.50 | Guerin | eggleston: especiaqlly without nails or screws |
| 05:31.54 | amphi | Guerin: what wood, if I may ask? |
| 05:31.56 | dondelelcaro | real mean use precision crafted manual tools |
| 05:32.01 | Guerin | amphi: pinus radiata |
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| 05:32.18 | eggleston | dondelelcaro, i don't think i can argue with that |
| 05:32.22 | Guerin | amphi: i wasn't sure it was going to work, so I got cheap 4x2 and decking |
| 05:32.24 | amphi | Guerin: uhuh - quite a lot of those grow hereabouts |
| 05:32.51 | njkt | Hi, i have a question semi debian related... I need to find a good partition editor that can resize an existing partition without destroying the data.. any suggestions (windows based, need to resize to install debian) |
| 05:32.53 | amphi | Guerin: nice looking trees |
| 05:33.20 | dondelelcaro | http://northlandcustom.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/purpleheart.jpg <-- a real wood. |
| 05:33.20 | peterS | njkt: debian-installer includes a partitioning tool which I _think_ can resize your windows partition during the install process |
| 05:33.26 | Guerin | amphi: horrible things, they support virtually no useful ecosystems when planted for timber. |
| 05:33.27 | Wyzard | njkt: If all you need is to shrink an NTFS partition, the installer can do that |
| 05:33.39 | eggleston | http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/38101/Dad_Says_Cop_Toy_Utters_Curse_Word <--- funny article |
| 05:33.41 | peterS | njkt: I haven't tried this functionality, however. it might require the etch installer, which is still in beta |
| 05:33.55 | njkt | alright, i'm going to etch anyhow heh |
| 05:34.02 | tuv | njkt, petemc: debian-installer does resize ntfs partitions quite reliably |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: is that one of your 7.000 year old redwoods? |
| 05:34.06 | amphi | Guerin: these are here and there in mixed mostly broadleaf woods |
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| 05:34.30 | Guerin | amphi: oh, it's not native to NZ so mostly grows in rows and gets made into cheap furniture, houses and paper |
| 05:34.31 | Wyzard | njkt: Choose manual partitioning, select the NTFS partition, and change the size |
| 05:34.33 | tuv | oops |
| 05:34.41 | amphi | Guerin: plantations are awful, I agree |
| 05:34.46 | tuv | njkt, peterS : debian-installer does resize ntfs partitions quite reliably |
| 05:34.57 | Guerin | amphi: but there's a moratorium on most native timber, so it's widely used |
| 05:35.08 | njkt | alright, i'm not really new to debian installs just didn't know if the installer did it well or not heh |
| 05:35.24 | Guerin | pine *can* be good wood |
| 05:35.41 | tuv | and an email reader :) |
| 05:35.49 | Wyzard | njkt: I've used it once while installing Ubuntu Dapper and it worked fine... Ubuntu's installer is based on Debian's so I'd expect it'd work fine here too |
| 05:35.52 | Guerin | not a good one though |
| 05:36.08 | peterS | Guerin: besides, pine is non-free |
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| 05:36.24 | Guerin | peterS: that's a goodly bit of what makes it bad ... that and it not being mutt |
| 05:36.29 | peterS | right |
| 05:36.33 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: nah, it's a brazillian hardwood |
| 05:36.40 | njkt | Wyzard: we'll see i'm working on it now heh |
| 05:36.58 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ah, one of the thousand-football-fields-per-day or whatever it is. |
| 05:37.33 | amphi | Wyzard: Edward Lear probably drew such a thing in his nonsense botany |
| 05:37.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: unlikely; it's pretty much useless as anything but a decorative hardwood for hand made stuff, because it's insanely hard. |
| 05:37.41 | unseensoul | does anyone knows a graphical printer manager? |
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| 05:37.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:37.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: as in almost impossible to drive a nail into hard |
| 05:38.02 | Guerin | awesome |
| 05:38.13 | tuv | hmm.. a mutt tree.. rooted at bash.. not very hard to imagine |
| 05:38.17 | Guerin | you know a wood is hard when it sinks like a stone |
| 05:38.27 | njkt | drat.. doesn't seem to be resizing it... |
| 05:38.36 | dondelelcaro | yeah... it's pretty cool; my parents house has gratings made of it |
| 05:39.11 | Guerin | mental note: greylisting only works if you have it on all your mx hosts... |
| 05:39.18 | tuv | njkt, hit enter on the partition, then on its size, then enter a new size |
| 05:39.41 | njkt | did |
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| 05:40.30 | njkt | then i select "continue" and it takes me back to the partition table and the size it still the same :s |
| 05:40.53 | Pryon | unseensoul: CUPS |
| 05:41.17 | unseensoul | Pryon, ? |
| 05:41.32 | tuv | unseensoul, http://localhost:631 |
| 05:41.32 | Pryon | CUPS is a graphical (web-based) printer manager |
| 05:41.57 | Guerin | peterS: cups doesn't automatically start when he runs any print job |
| 05:42.00 | Guerin | Pryon: |
| 05:42.50 | Pryon | I guess that's not what I think of when I read "printer manager" |
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| 05:43.25 | unseensoul | Pryon, i meant, "print manager" |
| 05:43.26 | unseensoul | :P |
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| 05:44.13 | anilomkar | Why my volumes are not mounting automatically even though i gave in the /etc/fstab file? Please help me |
| 05:44.18 | tuv | unseensoul, if you're using gnome, install the "Print Server" task and you should get an icon on gnome-panel whenever you print |
| 05:44.21 | wazzles | i dig love |
| 05:44.28 | Wyzard | ...and i get ext3 corruption while trying to do a fresh reinstall :-( |
| 05:44.33 | Wyzard | wtf is wrong with this computer??? |
| 05:44.33 | Guerin | dmesg will tell you |
| 05:44.44 | Guerin | anilomkar: ^ |
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| 05:45.41 | anilomkar | Guerin: i didn't understood.. |
| 05:45.55 | unseensoul | tuv, yes that's what i want, but i don't want to install useless packages...i've installed the minimal packages that allows me to print |
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| 05:46.02 | Guerin | anilomkar: look in the output of dmesg |
| 05:46.24 | unseensoul | tuv, do you know which packages provides that "icon"? |
| 05:46.42 | unseensoul | s/packages/package |
| 05:46.51 | boyd | Hey, this has probably been talked to death, but have you guys seen this? : http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/today%27s_java_announcement |
| 05:47.41 | Guerin | boyd: is that confirmed? |
| 05:47.57 | peterS | Guerin: the news was leaked Saturday. apparently it's not downloadable quite yet though |
| 05:48.01 | Tpenta | the press embargo on the story lifted about an hour ago |
| 05:48.03 | boyd | There are a few posts from those inside sun who have access to info in advance |
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| 05:48.20 | jmcp | http://www.sun.com/opensource/java |
| 05:48.26 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, i knew it was supposedly in the pipes, but I have to go jerry maguire on this one |
| 05:48.34 | peterS | good point |
| 05:48.47 | peterS | also, note that it's not like they're giving us a whole JDK at once. it's, like, _parts_ of it. |
| 05:48.48 | Guerin | the only good line in the whole stinkin' movie |
| 05:49.00 | peterS | You had me at GPL? |
| 05:49.04 | tuv | unseensoul, gnome-cups-manager |
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| 05:49.10 | boyd | peterS: I don't think lawyers work at infinite speed |
| 05:49.12 | Guerin | peterS: even the runtime will be great |
| 05:49.25 | jmmp | His |
| 05:49.31 | jmmp | Hi |
| 05:49.47 | Guerin | "You will need RealPlayer 10 or higher to view the live Webcast." |
| 05:49.52 | Guerin | oh, the irony, it hurts! |
| 05:49.57 | jmcp | peterS: and while Sun's lawyers seen to work damn fast... there are still bits that need other corps' lawyers |
| 05:49.57 | peterS | hehe |
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| 05:50.06 | jmmp | Hi i have a question |
| 05:50.13 | jmmp | about alsa |
| 05:50.26 | jmmp | anybody know something |
| 05:50.33 | streuner | ask |
| 05:50.45 | Wyzard | !tell jmmp about ask |
| 05:50.55 | peterS | jmcp: try to hit 'enter' less often. try to form a complete sentence and a complete thought before hitting enter. it saves us a lot of time over trying to read your question three words at a time |
| 05:51.15 | tuv | "anybody know something" now that's harsh |
| 05:51.20 | unseensoul | tuv, if try to print a document trough openoffice (gnome-cups-manager installed), the graphical print manager isn't launched |
| 05:51.23 | boyd | peterS: I think you mean jmmp |
| 05:51.28 | Wyzard | no, nobody here knows anything :-) |
| 05:51.32 | jmmp | I cant get to play sound with the normal user, just with root |
| 05:51.34 | peterS | boyd: indeed |
| 05:51.48 | jmcp | peterS: you meant to direct your statement to "jmmp" not me |
| 05:51.51 | Guerin | what time is it now? |
| 05:51.52 | jmmp | in debian 4 testing |
| 05:51.58 | peterS | jmcp: that's what boyd just said, yes |
| 05:52.03 | Guerin | i'm gonna see if I can haxx0r the webcast to work in mplayer |
| 05:52.14 | jmcp | thanks boyd :) |
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| 05:52.20 | Wyzard | jmmp: as root, adduser yourusername audio |
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| 05:52.30 | tuv | unseensoul, i get an icon in the notification area in my gnome-panel. if that's not what you mean then i don't know what it is that you mean. if it is and you don't get it then do you have a valid notification area running? |
| 05:52.31 | Wyzard | jmmp: Then log out and back in |
| 05:52.40 | Wyzard | jmmp: That puts you in the group that has permission to use sound |
| 05:53.00 | jmmp | yeah you mean add the user to the audio group |
| 05:53.05 | Wyzard | right |
| 05:53.12 | jmmp | i already did that |
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| 05:53.23 | jmmp | but still dont work |
| 05:53.58 | jmmp | all the audio programs says the audio is busy |
| 05:54.15 | jmmp | but in root it works just fine |
| 05:54.18 | tuv | jmmp, running esound (esd)? |
| 05:54.38 | jmmp | whats that? |
| 05:54.51 | Guerin | kill all sound servers |
| 05:54.51 | Guerin | running kde or gnome? |
| 05:54.55 | jmmp | gnome |
| 05:55.02 | unseensoul | tuv, what do you mean with "valid notification area"? |
| 05:55.30 | tuv | unseensoul, freedesktop-compliant notification area, like those in gnome and kde |
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| 05:56.03 | jmmp | Playback device is default |
| 05:56.03 | jmmp | Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels |
| 05:56.03 | jmmp | Using 16 octaves of pink noise |
| 05:56.03 | jmmp | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 05:56.03 | jmmp | Playback open error: -16,Dispositivo o recurso ocupado |
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| 05:56.34 | tuv | unseensoul, if you're running gnome then just make sure you have notification-area in your gnome-panel |
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| 05:56.36 | streuner | ah, good bot |
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| 05:56.59 | jmmp | Hi im back |
| 05:57.03 | Guerin | jmmp: don't fucking post, eejit |
| 05:57.08 | jmmp | sorry |
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| 05:57.30 | Guerin | jmmp: gnome uses esound, esound breaks shit. Make esound stop and shit will start working again. |
| 05:57.30 | jmmp | so what was that about soun servers |
| 05:57.32 | tuv | unseensoul, a part of the panel where if you right-click and choose about you get a banner saying "Notification Area" |
| 05:57.56 | sartan | too many probs with etch. sarge doesn't work. .i'm going to have to run with centos until etch is stable (or unstable). |
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| 05:58.05 | tuv | Guerin, although esd is not enabled by default in gnome |
| 05:58.07 | sartan | this sucks. |
| 05:58.14 | Guerin | oh, that's a recent thing? |
| 05:58.15 | jmmp | the task name is esound? |
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| 05:58.32 | Guerin | sartan: what doesn't work about sarge? |
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| 05:58.39 | Guerin | sartan: etch is a bit broken at the m,oment. |
| 05:58.44 | unseensoul | tuv, yes it's enabled |
| 05:58.46 | sartan | the installer doesn't recognize my sata disk |
| 05:58.48 | sartan | it seems really minor |
| 05:58.50 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:58.52 | jmmp | i have esd |
| 05:58.52 | Guerin | easy |
| 05:58.52 | sartan | (Controllers) |
| 05:58.54 | sartan | yeah |
| 05:58.56 | sartan | easy. |
| 05:58.57 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 05:58.58 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 05:59.00 | sartan | i just need a base os to fix it from heh |
| 05:59.10 | Guerin | sartan: use that installer ↑ |
| 05:59.18 | sartan | ah crap just missed =) |
| 05:59.30 | Guerin | sartan: there might even be a more recent one |
| 05:59.31 | sartan | okay i'll try that one out tomorow i've spent all day on this. |
| 05:59.35 | simonrvn | ooo neat arrow |
| 05:59.41 | streuner | jmmp: so what stops you to follow Guerin's advice? |
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| 05:59.55 | amphi | Guerin: yeah, there's a 2.6.17 backport |
| 06:00.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: i see you made the unicode switch. Welcome to the 21st century. |
| 06:00.11 | simonrvn | have a while ago ;) |
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| 06:01.11 | simonrvn | my question is, how did you make that arrow? :) |
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| 06:01.21 | simonrvn | Guerin |
| 06:01.22 | jmmp | hey I see in synaptec and i have esound installed |
| 06:01.33 | jmmp | should i uninstall it? |
| 06:01.41 | Guerin | simonrvn: using rxvt-unicode-ml, hit shift-ctrl then an arrow |
| 06:01.52 | Guerin | jmmp: that's a good start |
| 06:01.58 | simonrvn | nah, just uxterm here |
| 06:02.05 | Guerin | no idea then |
| 06:02.14 | simonrvn | in obox3 |
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| 06:02.50 | simonrvn | g'night all |
| 06:03.06 | Guerin | g'night |
| 06:05.03 | jmmp | yeah the problem was the daemon esd |
| 06:05.12 | jmmp | now it works |
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| 06:05.18 | jmmp | thanks |
| 06:05.38 | jmmp | but how i configure it to stop launching that daemon? |
| 06:05.58 | tuv | jmmp, Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound |
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| 06:07.43 | jmmp | yeah i forgot i activate that |
| 06:07.46 | jmmp | once |
| 06:08.11 | jmmp | so thats why the sound stoped working |
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| 06:08.39 | tuv | jmmp, actually that should only bother apps using oss. alsa should work fine |
| 06:09.12 | tuv | jmmp, there is also libesd-alsa0 instead of the default libesd0 |
| 06:10.22 | jmmp | i installed this gstreamer0.10-esd |
| 06:10.57 | tuv | jmmp, that's got nothing to do with it |
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| 06:11.17 | itchi | I got some strange line in dmesg http://pastebin.ca/247226 What's up? |
| 06:11.47 | tuv | jmmp, this only allows you to choose esd as the output of gstreamer in the "Multimedia System Selector" Preferences |
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| 06:12.22 | jmmp | i also have esound and esound-client |
| 06:12.39 | jmmp | i mean esound-common |
| 06:13.27 | cahoot | itchi: made a custom kernel? |
| 06:13.37 | itchi | cahoot: Stock |
| 06:14.38 | itchi | cahoot: I'm on Etch and i had an need to give as boot param 'install libata.atapi_enable=1' otherwise the cd rom was not detected and the install goes not accomplish then |
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| 06:15.26 | cahoot | itchi: and now booted to another kernel ? |
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| 06:15.45 | itchi | cahoot: I have not yet try that, gona test now ;-) |
| 06:16.55 | brunne1 | so I've deleted /var/lib/mysql/ and I can't get mysql to start. is there any way to make apt install all of the files contained in a package, instead of just some of them |
| 06:17.56 | streuner | Did you read 'man apt-get' yet? |
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| 06:18.14 | brunne1 | not in the last four or five years, I guess I should revisit it |
| 06:18.31 | brunne1 | when I install mysql-server it doesn't replace the folder |
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| 06:18.39 | brunne1 | and I know it didn't exist before the first time I installed the package |
| 06:18.57 | streuner | maybe another package? |
| 06:19.07 | streuner | which creates that folder |
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| 06:19.37 | brunne1 | I suppose. it's got to be coming from somewhere |
| 06:19.52 | brunne1 | is there any way to search for files contained in all of the packages I have? |
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| 06:20.13 | Wyzard | brunne1: There are two steps to installing a package: unpacking the files that the package contains, and then running scripts provided with the package, which might create additional files |
| 06:20.25 | brunne1 | ah |
| 06:20.27 | amphi | brunne1: yes - dpkg -S is one way |
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| 06:20.43 | Wyzard | brunne1: If you reinstall a package it'll replace all the files that are actually contained in the package, but won't necessarily reproduce the effects that the scripts had the first time |
| 06:20.47 | brunne1 | Wyzard: that's a good point, but why would the script not run when I try to install a second itme? |
| 06:21.33 | streuner | brunne1: so it didn't work correctly and you just deleted this folder, right? |
| 06:21.37 | Wyzard | brunne1: I think it does run, actually, but it thinks the package is already configured so it doesn't do anything |
| 06:21.53 | brunne1 | hmm |
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| 06:22.04 | lakez_ | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 06:22.05 | lakez_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.07 | lakez_ | anyone know why? |
| 06:22.09 | brunne1 | I must find this script, I suppose, or figure out how it checks to see if the package is already configured |
| 06:22.11 | Wyzard | brunne1: Look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server.postinst |
| 06:22.22 | brunne1 | Wyzard: thanks much! |
| 06:22.48 | streuner | lakez_: could be a depends error or it needs additional packages to install |
| 06:22.52 | Wyzard | brunne1: Those scripts are required to be idempotent -- that is, running it several times has the same effect as running it once |
| 06:22.52 | brunne1 | Wyzard: it doesn't exist |
| 06:23.11 | Wyzard | brunne1: That's usually implemented as having the script do nothing on subsequent runs |
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| 06:23.24 | Wyzard | brunne1: I'm guessing at the filename... but take a look at what's in that directory |
| 06:23.29 | brunne1 | alright, thranks |
| 06:23.31 | brunne1 | thanks, too |
| 06:23.58 | itchi | cahoot: It's still the same |
| 06:24.04 | lakez_ | streuner, know where i'd look? |
| 06:24.27 | streuner | lakez_: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 06:24.30 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:24.30 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:25.04 | lakez_ | http://paste-bin.com/1398 |
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| 06:25.39 | exobyte | I have vmware installed. For some reason, copying from hard disk on the host to hard disk on the guest (copying over the bridged network) is really slow (17k/s). Any ideas why? |
| 06:26.04 | streuner | lakez_: what happens if you want just 'apt-get install' it? |
| 06:26.28 | lakez_ | oh it needed libconfig-file-perl |
| 06:26.37 | streuner | !tell lakez_ about amd64 |
| 06:26.46 | anilomkar | every time i am booting up my system my Volume is muted? i have to unmute it manually? please help me |
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| 06:27.08 | cahoot | anilomkar: alsa-utils is installed? |
| 06:27.09 | streuner | run 'aumix' and save it |
| 06:27.51 | anilomkar | cahoot: no not installed... |
| 06:27.58 | ix___ | anyone know if loop-aes will work under xen 3.x ? |
| 06:28.10 | cahoot | anilomkar: if you use alsa you want that |
| 06:28.42 | anilomkar | cahoot: ok just i installed it what to do with that... |
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| 06:29.15 | cahoot | anilomkar: might run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 06:29.37 | Wyzard | ix___: don't see why it wouldn't |
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| 06:31.49 | ix___ | i should have phrased that "does anyone have a working system with .." |
| 06:32.10 | ix___ | can't get module to load either with package or built from source |
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| 06:33.48 | Wyzard | ix___: Consider using dm-crypt, which is part of the standard kernel |
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| 06:35.08 | ix___ | dm-crypt is (to much) slower than loop |
| 06:35.49 | Wyzard | really? |
| 06:35.52 | Wyzard | I find that surprising |
| 06:35.55 | ix___ | for this anyway |
| 06:36.09 | Wyzard | Does loop-aes use its own cipher code, instead of the standard ciphers in the kernel? |
| 06:36.55 | mick_linux | i don't find dm-crypt to be really slow |
| 06:37.16 | Wyzard | neither do I |
| 06:37.45 | Wyzard | There's an assembly-optimized AES implementation that gets used on systems that are capable (which is anything Pentium or better) |
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| 06:37.53 | mick_linux | ix___: how are you benchmarking? |
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| 06:38.31 | mick_linux | or maybe my hw doesn't suck? |
| 06:38.46 | ix___ | well about 2mb/sec slower speed when i was running dm-crypt |
| 06:38.48 | ix___ | than loop |
| 06:39.09 | ix___ | poweredge 2850 |
| 06:40.04 | Wyzard | That's not much of a difference on a modern hard drive |
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| 06:40.55 | Wyzard | My new Seagate 750s can do about 70 raw |
| 06:42.58 | itchi | Is there dma on an hdd of an laptop? |
| 06:43.12 | Wyzard | Unless it's a really old laptop, yes |
| 06:43.21 | ix___ | well on a 100mbit network with ftp i consistantly got 2mb/sec slower transferspeeds with dm |
| 06:43.25 | itchi | Wyzard: It's an brand new |
| 06:44.05 | itchi | Wyzard: Looks like it's no more enable here |
| 06:44.56 | itchi | Wyzard: But i get some errors in dmesg and find that the lapop hdd is many slower today |
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| 06:46.32 | itchi | I got this now in dmesg http://pastebin.ca/247226 |
| 06:47.54 | Wyzard | That looks like a mismatch between kernel and modules |
| 06:48.14 | Wyzard | Did you upgrade your kernel recently? |
| 06:49.00 | itchi | Wyzard: Yup, had been worked and it's just today that he complain about it. I have installed the 2.6.17-2-686 and the smp yesterday i think. |
| 06:49.02 | tarzeau | +popcon |
| 06:49.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:49.04 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:49.09 | Wyzard | btw, look in your BIOS for a setting to switch your controller to AHCI mode... it's faster that way, and supports NCQ and hotplugging |
| 06:49.27 | Wyzard | ata_piix is using your controller in the ICH5-compatible mode rather than the native AHCI mode |
| 06:50.20 | Wyzard | but as for this problem, look in /lib/modules and see if you somehow ended up using old modules with a new kernel or something |
| 06:50.20 | itchi | Wyzard: Gona look it to it, thanks |
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| 06:52.07 | itchi | Wyzard: In the /lib/modules/ i not know what to search too |
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| 06:52.20 | g333k | !samba |
| 06:52.20 | dpkg | i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 06:52.35 | Wyzard | itchi: With such limited information, neither do I |
| 06:52.47 | Wyzard | itchi: Run "depmod -ae" and see what it says... you might see those messages over again |
| 06:52.50 | g333k | A good guide to configure Samba on Debian? |
| 06:53.53 | itchi | Wyzard: I did depmod -ae but he have not tell me somethings |
| 06:54.44 | Wyzard | itchi: Then that *might* have fixed the problem... reboot and see |
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| 06:54.59 | itchi | Wyzard: Okay ;-) |
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| 07:01.53 | IamEthos | is there anything particular that I have to do to make CUPS recognize printer drivers? |
| 07:02.05 | itchi | Wyzard: It's still the same trouble |
| 07:02.13 | hyphenex | Hi all, quick question. I'm looking for a distro to run under VMware as a server. Does debian have the most pre-built RPM's I can download with apt-get?? |
| 07:02.18 | itchi | Wyzard: I have look in the BIOS but i not have an such option |
| 07:03.00 | itchi | hyphenex: Debian not make use or RPM, instead it make use of deb files |
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| 07:04.13 | Wyzard | itchi: It might not be there... my Thinkpad Z60m lacks an option for AHCI, though I have no idea why |
| 07:04.18 | itchi | hyphenex: Also you not need to manually download each package (deb). There is an database system that contain all list with the packages that can be are installed. It then automatically download the required stuff |
| 07:04.40 | hyphenex | itchi, So in turn, it makes my life easier then using a different distro? |
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| 07:05.24 | itchi | hyphenex: Most distro's have an such similar system now |
| 07:05.52 | itchi | hyphenex: Just that the goal and spirit of Debian is different to the others. |
| 07:05.57 | amphi | hyphenex: debian has more packages than any other distro, I believe |
| 07:06.14 | hyphenex | itchi, Well, I'm going to download either Debian or Fedora, with the more package thing, I think I'll be using Debian as my server platform :) |
| 07:06.19 | itchi | hyphenex: +- 18 000, can you imagine that?? |
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| 07:06.30 | itchi | hyphenex: Trash Fedora ;-) |
| 07:06.34 | Wyzard | hyphenex: Debian is well-suited to servers |
| 07:06.42 | hyphenex | Debian it is then :) |
| 07:06.50 | itchi | hyphenex: Sure ;-) |
| 07:07.09 | itchi | hyphenex: I had began with RH in the times ... |
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| 07:07.31 | itchi | hyphenex: Take RH vs Debian ... What's for you the difference? |
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| 07:08.15 | hyphenex | itchi, Well, I'm a Suse user now, but I just wanted something nicer to run as a Server OS through VMware to develope my game server in Windows (the server needs Linux) |
| 07:08.32 | itchi | hyphenex: You are on the right place for it |
| 07:09.22 | amphi | hyphenex: ooh, suse - flee from it ;) |
| 07:09.48 | itchi | hyphenex: Try to find out what's the diff of RH and Debian ;-) Do it for you. You will quick see the diff |
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| 07:10.08 | itchi | amphi: My dma is not more working here it's looks |
| 07:10.18 | hyphenex | I like Suse :) |
| 07:10.32 | itchi | amphi: Laptop is now many slower now; boot time take 3 minutes, i can not believe it |
| 07:10.46 | itchi | hyphenex: i LOVE Debian :-p |
| 07:11.01 | Wyzard | itchi: Well, something seems to have gone wrong with your modules when you installed that new kernel |
| 07:11.08 | amphi | hyphenex: yeah, but novell has betrayed it |
| 07:11.08 | g333k | Hello, what should I add to smb.conf share a directory but to give access just for a specific user? |
| 07:11.10 | Wyzard | itchi: Switch back to the old kernel and see if it helps |
| 07:11.23 | itchi | Wyzard: Have try it, same trouble |
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| 07:11.35 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 07:11.40 | amphi | itchi: yeah, I saw the pastebin - I have not seen such errors myself |
| 07:11.45 | itchi | Wyzard: Me too :-/ |
| 07:11.55 | itchi | amphi: aaai :-/ |
| 07:12.04 | itchi | hyphenex: The netinst ? |
| 07:12.12 | hyphenex | itchi, Yeah :) |
| 07:12.19 | Guerin | netinst isn't minimal |
| 07:12.23 | hyphenex | I only need apache, PHP, mySQL & Python on it |
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| 07:12.28 | amphi | itchi: how did you b0rk it? |
| 07:12.43 | Guerin | hyphenex: the ntinsts contains none of those packages |
| 07:12.45 | mick_linux | what is the easiest way to insert umlauts (when i don't have a german kb)? |
| 07:12.57 | Guerin | mick_linux: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 07:13.04 | hyphenex | Hmmmm, but it lets me apt-get them, right? |
| 07:13.07 | itchi | amphi: heh, nope, have start the laptop and find that he was many slower that the previous day. So i have look a bit and have find these messages |
| 07:13.09 | Guerin | hyphenex: naturally. |
| 07:13.23 | hyphenex | Sweet. How big should I create the virtual hard drive? |
| 07:13.28 | hyphenex | I was it as small as possible |
| 07:13.40 | itchi | Guerin: Yup; i hope he have not downloaded the business cd |
| 07:13.54 | Guerin | hyphenex: 500MB |
| 07:14.01 | amphi | itchi: you did nothing? elves broke your install? ;) |
| 07:14.08 | hyphenex | Sweet. Thanks :) |
| 07:14.09 | Guerin | hyphenex: you can do it in less, but 500 is a good start |
| 07:14.23 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:14.23 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:14.46 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, in the other way i can not believe it to, but sure i did nothings serious that should be damaged the system |
| 07:15.00 | mick_linux | Guerin: i don't have a right windows key |
| 07:15.11 | hyphenex | itchi, Damage the system as in, the hardware? Can an OS do that? |
| 07:15.11 | Guerin | mick_linux: choose another key |
| 07:15.16 | itchi | amphi: Im thinking to an eventual bug or so?? |
| 07:15.20 | Guerin | mick_linux: use xev or similar to see what keycode it is |
| 07:15.27 | mick_linux | xev - that was it |
| 07:15.29 | mick_linux | thanks |
| 07:15.37 | amphi | itchi: who knows? wrong ide driver? |
| 07:15.42 | mick_linux | i was about to ask ;) |
| 07:15.58 | itchi | amphi: I not know |
| 07:16.15 | amphi | itchi: what did you change? kernel upgrade? |
| 07:16.26 | itchi | amphi: Nope |
| 07:16.43 | PumpkinPie | I dont need a gateway with a straight connection between two computers right ? |
| 07:16.51 | amphi | PumpkinPie: no |
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| 07:17.12 | PumpkinPie | amphi: right or wrong? |
| 07:17.14 | itchi | amphi: Maybe just that 2.6.17-2-686 kernel and smp that i have installed; but stock kernel |
| 07:17.21 | mzli | PumpkinPie, yes, you neednt. |
| 07:17.31 | amphi | PumpkinPie: sorry, no you don't need |
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| 07:17.52 | PumpkinPie | k thought so |
| 07:18.08 | amphi | itchi: the one you were building the wifi module against? |
| 07:18.22 | itchi | amphi: Yeah |
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| 07:19.02 | amphi | itchi: and it has degenerated since then? |
| 07:19.14 | itchi | amphi: Looks like |
| 07:19.25 | itchi | amphi: It's an brand new install |
| 07:19.59 | mick_linux | this is odd, the folder/filenames that the bot turned up don't exist |
| 07:20.07 | mick_linux | closest thing that i have: |
| 07:20.13 | mick_linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.32 | mick_linux | and none of those match my `locale` |
| 07:20.59 | Guerin | yeah, those are a bit old |
| 07:21.14 | Guerin | just look around and/or use locate to find them |
| 07:21.45 | hyphenex | what's the smallest amount of RAM I could run it with? I don't think I should need X11 |
| 07:21.47 | mick_linux | also i used xmodmap (w/ the appropriate keycode) -- and if i use winkey+anything... nothing special happens |
| 07:22.04 | itchi | hyphenex: 24MB i think |
| 07:22.25 | itchi | hyphenex: Otherwise you need to screw a bit |
| 07:22.28 | mick_linux | hyphenex: 64 MB is minimum recommended - if you want less you can replace the standard stuff w/ embedded |
| 07:22.40 | mick_linux | like uclibc |
| 07:22.49 | hyphenex | 64 should be fine I think :) |
| 07:23.00 | hyphenex | I've only got 512MB in this machine :P |
| 07:23.04 | mick_linux | i'd put in 128 |
| 07:23.05 | itchi | mick_linux: My P1 with 32 do it right, bit slow but does it |
| 07:23.29 | mick_linux | i mean as a minimun - i think 128 |
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| 07:23.37 | Guerin | you don't want to run even a very quiet web/sql/php/python server in any less than 64 |
| 07:23.50 | Guerin | 512 will be plenty, though, unless it's quite busy |
| 07:23.51 | mick_linux | but RAM is so cheap now, why not do like 512? |
| 07:24.28 | Guerin | and even THAT's luxury |
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| 07:25.53 | mick_linux | can anyone correct a factoid in dpkg ? |
| 07:26.37 | Guerin | mick_linux: yes |
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| 07:27.01 | Guerin | mick_linux: use dpkg, no, foo is whole message with corrections included |
| 07:27.13 | Guerin | make sure you copy the message first |
| 07:28.39 | mick_linux | dpkg no extended chars is to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/share/X11/locale/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or... |
| 07:28.40 | dpkg | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, mick_linux |
| 07:28.41 | mick_linux | ...similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys ... |
| 07:29.31 | Guerin | mick_linux: you need to only teach it certain characters |
| 07:29.43 | mick_linux | Guerin: ? |
| 07:29.50 | Guerin | mick_linux: you fucked it up |
| 07:29.59 | mick_linux | Guerin: mind doing it for me |
| 07:30.01 | Guerin | mick_linux: since you're not using is0-8859 |
| 07:30.03 | mick_linux | Guerin: ??? |
| 07:30.18 | mick_linux | oh, i thought that utf-8 was default w/ chatzilla |
| 07:30.23 | mick_linux | ah fuck |
| 07:30.30 | Guerin | anyone who is like to put in an iso-8859 ~n, as in mañana? |
| 07:30.41 | Guerin | mick_linux: it probably is |
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| 07:30.55 | Guerin | mick_linux: but the factoid needs to contain characxters from BOTH sets |
| 07:31.03 | mick_linux | oh |
| 07:31.52 | mick_linux | Guerin: mind fixing it :( sorry for fuxoring it up :-/ |
| 07:32.40 | Guerin | can't |
| 07:32.44 | Guerin | using utf-8 as well |
| 07:32.55 | Guerin | what WAS the character? |
| 07:32.57 | mick_linux | can we just take off the other char? |
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| 07:33.05 | Guerin | it'll probably shows as a box or a ? or something |
| 07:33.08 | Guerin | no, we can't |
| 07:33.09 | Linux50 | hey everyone. |
| 07:33.21 | Linux50 | what is the apt-get command to search for a package? |
| 07:33.23 | Linux50 | or to get a list |
| 07:33.31 | intx | Linux50: apt-cache search <name> |
| 07:33.35 | mick_linux | Guerin: it shows as a box on mine |
| 07:33.39 | intx | Linux50: packages.debian.org for a list |
| 07:33.43 | amphi | Linux50: or aptitude search |
| 07:33.47 | mick_linux | ‡ |
| 07:33.50 | Guerin | copy the box and paste it into the channel |
| 07:33.55 | mick_linux | ^^ |
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| 07:34.12 | intx | hi, anyone know a command for executing a command as another user? (like sudo for executing as root)? |
| 07:34.20 | Guerin | hm |
| 07:34.21 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:34.34 | Guerin | someone with iso-8859 is going to have to fix0r it |
| 07:34.42 | mick_linux | su username -c "something" <---? |
| 07:34.43 | Guerin | intx: su -c |
| 07:34.50 | Guerin | sorry |
| 07:34.54 | Guerin | su badgers -c |
| 07:34.59 | Guerin | for user 'badgers' |
| 07:35.02 | intx | Guerin: thanks |
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| 07:35.22 | intx | Guerin: su -c did it for me :) didn't realize su could do that.. helps a lot, thanks |
| 07:35.39 | Linux50 | is swat the best web based samba configuration tool? |
| 07:35.49 | mick_linux | ya, sure just ignore me :P |
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| 07:35.54 | intx | Guerin: all this time I was switching to the user, running the command, and exiting.. got a little annoying after a while so you have no idea how much you just helped :) |
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| 07:36.12 | mick_linux | Linux50: afaik - the only one |
| 07:36.18 | mick_linux | i use the commandline |
| 07:36.36 | intx | Guerin: so thanks again |
| 07:36.44 | mick_linux | intx: your welcome |
| 07:37.09 | Linux50 | i do too. But i just took my buffalo linkstation (running mips as a cpu) and installed debian on it |
| 07:37.12 | intx | mick_linux: oops. missed that, sorry :) thank you too |
| 07:37.14 | Linux50 | its awesome |
| 07:37.42 | mick_linux | and thanks Guerin - i didn't figure it out - but thanks for pointing me in a direction |
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| 07:43.25 | Mooi | Hello, is there any software that could create videos for you? I want to put in some different music tracks and write things like text, images or (even if possible - animation). Any software that could do that? |
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| 07:45.37 | mick_linux | does DIAERESIS == umlauts? |
| 07:45.56 | mick_linux | or "two dots over a letter" :) |
| 07:46.44 | Wyzard | yes |
| 07:46.55 | mick_linux | in my composite for my characterset/encoding - it says for a "o" with umlauts it is MULTIKEY + <double quotes> o |
| 07:47.10 | mick_linux | ó <-- this is what i get |
| 07:47.24 | mick_linux | which is close but no cigar :-P |
| 07:47.30 | Wyzard | judging by the fact that the only place the word "umlaut" appears in the GNOME Character Map is in the description of U+0308 COMBINING DIARESIS |
| 07:47.58 | mick_linux | i got it -> ö |
| 07:48.09 | mick_linux | seems to be a trick in the way you type it in |
| 07:48.17 | mick_linux | if the speed is off - the characters are too |
| 07:48.51 | mick_linux | wow that sucks |
| 07:50.03 | mick_linux | Wyzard: ah ok |
| 07:50.32 | mick_linux | why can't we all just combine the DE kb w/ the US one |
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| 07:51.03 | mick_linux | DE is missing the pipe character (ok, i just can't work w/o my |) |
| 07:51.56 | mick_linux | and using some weirdness like foo >> bar << blah would make me nuts ;) |
| 07:52.15 | mick_linux | not to mention how incorrect that is in so many situations |
| 07:52.30 | hyphenex | 93% downloaded :) |
| 07:52.45 | mick_linux | pr0n-o-meter? |
| 07:53.15 | mick_linux | :P |
| 07:53.22 | LeFallen | Could someone enlighten me into the meaning of "No candidate version found for " when I aptitude install blah? |
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| 07:53.47 | mick_linux | LeFallen: it means it doesn't exits |
| 07:53.50 | mick_linux | exist* |
| 07:54.03 | mick_linux | but it might be in another repository |
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| 07:54.22 | LeFallen | mick_linux: Interesting. aptitude search returns it |
| 07:54.45 | mick_linux | is it under another name? |
| 07:54.59 | mick_linux | like "ethereal" is really "wireshark" |
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| 07:55.16 | Linux50 | is apache required to run swat? |
| 07:55.20 | mick_linux | LeFallen: what version of debian and what package |
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| 07:55.33 | fireba11 | how to search what package got the cc1plus file ? |
| 07:55.50 | LeFallen | mick_linux: Stable, freenx |
| 07:55.53 | mick_linux | Linux50: unless you want to use another httpd |
| 07:56.07 | mick_linux | fireba11: man apt-file |
| 07:56.10 | LeFallen | mick_linux: But it's got a "c" in the left column of the search output. |
| 07:56.33 | Linux50 | is there a smaller, less cpu intensive, program |
| 07:56.40 | mick_linux | i don't use aptitude (so don't know what that means) |
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| 07:57.05 | Mooi | so how do you output a special character? |
| 07:57.05 | mick_linux | Linux50: sure - for embedded stuff there are a few |
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| 07:57.34 | mick_linux | Mooi: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 07:57.49 | mick_linux | Linux50: apt-cache search httpd |
| 07:57.58 | g333k | hi, why when I send printing jobs from Acrobat REader it doesnt print? it uses this command: /usr/bin/lpr -P hp2175 |
| 07:58.15 | DavidProck1981 | is any one going to tell me how to downgrade to xorg 7.0.0 i currently have 7.1.x |
| 07:59.00 | mick_linux | Linux50: but apache isn't that cpu intensive |
| 07:59.12 | DavidProck1981 | anyone |
| 07:59.26 | Mooi | thanks |
| 07:59.27 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: probably not when you ask like that ;) |
| 07:59.42 | DavidProck1981 | do u know how |
| 07:59.57 | mick_linux | ya, it usually involves the word "please" |
| 08:00.04 | DavidProck1981 | please |
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| 08:00.49 | DavidProck1981 | will u please tell me how to downgrade to xorg 7.0.0 i currently have 7.1.x |
| 08:01.51 | mick_linux | apt-get remove xserver-*; and make sure to comment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list that may include something to the newer version, then apt-get update; and then install from the repository that has the version that you want |
| 08:01.59 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: ^^^ |
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| 08:02.19 | Mooi | 2 |
| 08:02.39 | cydork | yay icedove reached etch :) |
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| 08:02.47 | mick_linux | i need to get some work done |
| 08:04.03 | DavidProck1981 | i dont understand the comment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list part |
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| 08:04.48 | whaq | cydork, what's icedove? |
| 08:05.17 | amphi | !icedove |
| 08:05.17 | dpkg | icedove is probably due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 08:05.29 | DavidProck1981 | i need it more detailed , command by command would be great |
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| 08:06.03 | whaq | ah thanks |
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| 08:06.25 | pmv | good day |
| 08:06.36 | whaq | buon giorno. |
| 08:06.47 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: pastebin your /etc/sources.list |
| 08:06.50 | pmv | having trouble mapping a crypted lvm volume when I boot into a new kernel |
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| 08:07.01 | mick_linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.06 | pmv | anyone know where I might look? |
| 08:07.13 | DavidProck1981 | what wat the pasebin link |
| 08:07.20 | mick_linux | pmv: ouch - there are always issues w/ that |
| 08:07.41 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:07.42 | pmv | mick_linux: ouch.. that's what I was afraid of.. :-p |
| 08:07.48 | pmv | any thoughts? |
| 08:07.59 | pmv | how does the kernel know how to run device-mapper and cryptdisk? |
| 08:08.10 | pmv | or does the initrd image know? |
| 08:08.30 | mick_linux | pmv: i also have an encrypted disk and i'm wondering what will happen when i upgrade -- please /msg me when you get that straightened out ;) |
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| 08:08.42 | hyphenex | buu, Are you around? |
| 08:09.05 | pmv | mick_linux: haha! well I'll be sure to post thoughts on this :-p |
| 08:09.16 | DavidProck1981 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4454 |
| 08:09.21 | pmv | I think the prob is with the new initrd that yaird created .. |
| 08:09.35 | pmv | hrm.. it's not doing cryptdisk properly |
| 08:09.36 | g333k | Can somebody helping me to print from console? I do: #lpr -Php2175 test.txt, where hp2175 is the name of my printer, but it doesnt print |
| 08:09.46 | mick_linux | pmv: as i'm really curious to know what to do when that happens ;) |
| 08:10.14 | pmv | anyone else here actually know any fixes? |
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| 08:10.19 | pmv | similar experiences, anyone? |
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| 08:10.44 | pmv | and now I think I borked my 2.6.8 install, because now it won't see my usb drive |
| 08:10.51 | pmv | so I can't look at my /boot |
| 08:11.23 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: so you want to use the X that is in stable, right? |
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| 08:11.36 | DavidProck1981 | if it is ver 7.0 |
| 08:11.46 | DavidProck1981 | then ya if not then no |
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| 08:12.32 | DavidProck1981 | i dint know what ver the stable is |
| 08:12.39 | DavidProck1981 | is it 7.0.0 |
| 08:13.24 | hyphenex | only a 2.4 kernel??? |
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| 08:13.57 | pmv | any initrd gurus around? |
| 08:13.58 | hyphenex | meh, I'm not upgrading :P |
| 08:14.12 | mick_linux | you could (if it is in stable) - add stable to your sources.list and comment out the etch stuff - then apt-get update; and apt-get install xserver-... but i'm not sure if this is such a good idea |
| 08:14.18 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: ^^^ |
| 08:14.26 | cydork | hyphenex: huh? |
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| 08:14.42 | hyphenex | Just downloaded Debian, and it only has a 2.4 kernel |
| 08:14.49 | mick_linux | there may be something like backports (but the other way around) |
| 08:14.49 | jmm1 | anybody uses quagga? |
| 08:14.49 | DavidProck1981 | why would it not be a good idea |
| 08:14.50 | hyphenex | Did it from a net-install CD though |
| 08:14.50 | cydork | mick_linux: it's not a good idea actually. |
| 08:14.59 | pmv | hyphenex: use the linux26 option |
| 08:15.01 | mick_linux | cydork: i know :-/ |
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| 08:15.11 | hyphenex | The what option? |
| 08:15.16 | pmv | hyphenex: look at the advanced options on boot |
| 08:15.24 | jmm1 | i need help with quagga |
| 08:15.25 | cydork | hyphenex: at the boot: type linux26 |
| 08:15.33 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: you risk having an unstable system with crossed binaries |
| 08:15.36 | hyphenex | ahhh.... Okies, I'll re-install |
| 08:15.43 | jmm1 | what is the password in quagga? |
| 08:15.50 | mick_linux | DavidProck1981: like dependency issues etc |
| 08:15.54 | jmm1 | for the daemos |
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| 08:16.05 | pmv | mick_linux: or you can just apt-get it |
| 08:16.15 | mick_linux | pmv: huh? |
| 08:16.18 | pmv | mick_linux: kernel-image, iirc |
| 08:16.21 | pmv | whoops |
| 08:16.26 | pmv | hyphenex: ^^^ |
| 08:16.28 | pmv | *grin* |
| 08:16.31 | mick_linux | :) |
| 08:16.36 | pmv | waaah |
| 08:16.42 | pmv | methinks yaird screwed me |
| 08:17.27 | whaq | got pics? |
| 08:17.36 | buu | hyphenex: What? |
| 08:17.38 | pmv | hehe |
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| 08:18.05 | hyphenex | buu, Wanted to say hi :) |
| 08:18.15 | hyphenex | buu, I didn't mean to interupt you if your busy though |
| 08:18.20 | buu | hyphenex: Heh, hello. I moved the server over to a new box |
| 08:18.28 | buu | hyphenex: can you still actually log in? |
| 08:18.29 | LeFallen | Can someone please tell me what the first column is in the returned table from "aptitude search"? |
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| 08:18.56 | hyphenex | buu, Coolies,Yep, can still log in :) |
| 08:19.15 | pmv | what's the usb storage module need again? |
| 08:19.25 | pmv | is it scsi_disk or something? |
| 08:19.28 | pmv | it's not loading .. :/ |
| 08:19.30 | hyphenex | buu, The game is comming along nicely :) |
| 08:19.32 | buu | hyphenex: Amazing |
| 08:19.35 | cydork | LeFallen: man aptitude. it's given there :P |
| 08:19.52 | messju_ | hi. i just upgraded trac via apt-get, now I get an error: "'module' object has no attribute 'quote_cookie_value'". is this a known problem? |
| 08:20.18 | hyphenex | buu, Can I host the game on your server after I've finished testing *puppy dog face* if it's ok with you? |
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| 08:20.32 | buu | hyphenex: Probably. |
| 08:20.38 | buu | hyphenex: The new box is ridiculously fast. |
| 08:20.47 | hyphenex | buu, Ooooo, Coolies, Thanks :D |
| 08:21.03 | hyphenex | the newer version uses an off-site SQL-datebase though, so it might use a bit more bandwith |
| 08:21.23 | hyphenex | oahh, and also hosts games on the server instead of matchmaking servers (more a security thing) |
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| 08:22.51 | itchi | messju_: Have you already ask for the same question with another nick? |
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| 08:23.20 | pmv | wow this is messy |
| 08:23.27 | pmv | .. installing the new kernel removed my hotplug.. |
| 08:23.37 | LeFallen | cydork: Are you sure? Maybe I've been looking too long but I can't find it :/ |
| 08:23.40 | pmv | and then yaird screwed the lvm+cryptdisk load |
| 08:24.01 | itchi | messju_: Not that i want to borrow you, just that the question is asked be differents peoples it's looks, on ] 2 smooth upgrades [1979/2000 unread] Group: linux.debian.user |
| 08:24.06 | messju_ | itchi: Notorious |
| 08:24.28 | messju_ | erm: itchi, nowI didn't ask before |
| 08:24.35 | itchi | That was an sad touchpad trick, gona desactivate it, crap |
| 08:24.49 | cydork | LeFallen: The first character of each line indicates the current state of the package |
| 08:25.03 | cydork | LeFallen: the most common states are p, meaning that no trace of the package exists on the system, |
| 08:25.15 | cydork | LeFallen: that is from the man page :) |
| 08:25.27 | itchi | messju_: Look then on the bts and maybe fill an bug |
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| 08:26.17 | LeFallen | cydork: Not in mine :( |
| 08:26.28 | itchi | messju_: Looks like an little bug with the package, dependency trouble or whatever. Just look if it is already officially reported |
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| 08:26.41 | LeFallen | cydork: Do you know what "c" means? |
| 08:26.46 | DavidProck1981 | holy shit im going to have to format |
| 08:26.56 | cydork | LeFallen: not possible.. it's there in the search section. |
| 08:26.56 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Your brain?? |
| 08:27.13 | LeFallen | cydork: /first = 1 occurance (not that one) |
| 08:27.16 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Or the Windows ?? :-p |
| 08:27.24 | DavidProck1981 | it pritty much uninstall kde out from under me |
| 08:27.30 | pmv | hmm .. |
| 08:27.43 | pmv | okay, the new kernel upgrade nuked hotplug and now I can |
| 08:27.48 | pmv | can't see my usb drive |
| 08:27.53 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Try to write right, i have many difficults to understand English |
| 08:27.54 | DavidProck1981 | the hole fucking system to be exzact |
| 08:27.59 | pmv | even though scsi_disk and usb-storage are insmoded |
| 08:28.13 | cydork | LeFallen: c mean package was uninstalled but the config files are still there. I still cant believe it's not there, search for the search section .. |
| 08:28.22 | pmv | any ideas how I can get udev to map my usb drive to /dev/sda properly? |
| 08:28.33 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Tell us what's happend exaclty?? |
| 08:29.04 | messju_ | thanks itchi. it was already known: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398317 - sorry for the noise |
| 08:29.07 | DavidProck1981 | well no apps work excetp for the onet that wer allready open |
| 08:29.10 | itchi | pmv: Newer kernels make use uf udev, is that been installed? |
| 08:29.35 | DavidProck1981 | its too much to type |
| 08:29.42 | DavidProck1981 | what i did |
| 08:29.45 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Looks like |
| 08:29.49 | messju_ | what's the best way to downgrade to a version prior to 0.8.1-3sarge6 ? |
| 08:30.02 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You are not getting usefull help so man! |
| 08:30.06 | LeFallen | cydork: Definately not there, tried searching for various things, I am as suprised as you, I would expect something like that to be there. |
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| 08:30.28 | itchi | messju_: Which release use you? |
| 08:30.43 | pmv | itchi: it's complicated. I can't boot into my newer kernel, because its initrd image is b0rked, and won't let me loaded my crypted lvm volume |
| 08:30.48 | messju_ | sarge |
| 08:30.52 | cydork | LeFallen: your man pages are borked. :P |
| 08:31.09 | pmv | so now I want to get udev on 2.6.8 to see my frickin usb drive, so I can see what's wrong in /boot |
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| 08:31.12 | pmv | :-( |
| 08:31.13 | itchi | pmv: Because an newer kernel require udev |
| 08:31.19 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 08:31.22 | DavidProck1981 | ok look goign to format and put etch back on but i need to know how to have xorg 7.0.0 and NOT 7.1, what will i do |
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| 08:31.24 | pmv | itchi: I know. 2.6.17 installed udev |
| 08:31.33 | LeFallen | cydork: Thanks for your help, BTW. Do you know how it is that aptitude search xyz returns "c xyz" etc but cannot install it. |
| 08:31.48 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Wait |
| 08:31.50 | cydork | LeFallen: what's the error? |
| 08:31.51 | LeFallen | cydork: How does it know what config files belong to the package if it doesn't have the package? |
| 08:31.55 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 08:32.05 | itchi | DavidProck1981: What are you trying to do? Or what want you? |
| 08:32.12 | LeFallen | cydork: "No candidate version found for freenx" |
| 08:32.36 | DavidProck1981 | want to have debian etch system with xorg 7.0.0 |
| 08:32.36 | LeFallen | cydork: aptitude search freenx: c freenx - The FreeNX application/thin-client server based on NX technology |
| 08:32.52 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Why 7.0.0 ? |
| 08:32.53 | DavidProck1981 | not the xorg 7.1 |
| 08:33.08 | DavidProck1981 | cause my ati drivers want 7.0 or less |
| 08:33.21 | DavidProck1981 | drivers from the factory |
| 08:33.23 | LeFallen | cydork: I can accept it doesn't have freenx, but then how does it know there are configs present that belong to it. |
| 08:33.26 | itchi | DavidProck1981: How do you do to install the driver? |
| 08:33.44 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Ala Debian or ala hell (aka ATI)? |
| 08:33.53 | DavidProck1981 | ./ and the filenamr.run |
| 08:34.01 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Ala hell |
| 08:34.16 | DavidProck1981 | ala hell, do what |
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| 08:34.26 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Try ala Debian ;-) |
| 08:34.28 | DavidProck1981 | i have a ati card |
| 08:34.36 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Me too |
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| 08:34.48 | DavidProck1981 | u got 8500DV ? |
| 08:35.04 | itchi | DavidProck1981: 9600SE |
| 08:35.07 | cydork | LeFallen: that package is not in normal repos so it has no idea how to install it. but the informations about the contents of the package is still there in /var somewhere .. |
| 08:35.12 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Is that an new card? |
| 08:35.22 | DavidProck1981 | what is ala debian |
| 08:35.29 | pmv | haha |
| 08:35.35 | itchi | DavidProck1981: 'The Debian way' ;-) |
| 08:35.44 | pmv | so anyway, no other udev gurus here eh? |
| 08:35.47 | DavidProck1981 | i will have to format to download and burn it any way |
| 08:36.04 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Why? |
| 08:36.08 | cydork | LeFallen: in /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/info/ i guess |
| 08:36.15 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Probably that will not solve your trouble, just loosing time |
| 08:36.20 | DavidProck1981 | once i close this chat i cant open it |
| 08:36.30 | DavidProck1981 | i cant open a terminal |
| 08:36.33 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I have take my ATI note if you want |
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| 08:36.38 | sts | hello folks. anyone knows if drbd8-module-source could ever be installed? Seems as there are some missing files, so the module cannot be build. |
| 08:36.41 | sts | and there is no additional debian related information in /usr/share/doc/drbd8-module-source. seems to be a bug. |
| 08:36.58 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Are you without X ? |
| 08:37.27 | cydork | sts: what is the error? |
| 08:37.29 | DavidProck1981 | it's all im memory and not the hdd |
| 08:37.44 | itchi | DavidProck1981: An live cd ? |
| 08:37.47 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 08:38.00 | itchi | DavidProck1981: ugh, i not understand |
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| 08:38.42 | sts | cydork: make: *** user: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 08:38.44 | itchi | DavidProck1981: install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 08:38.47 | cydork | woot java released under gplv2 </ot> |
| 08:39.05 | pmv | I am so excited |
| 08:39.05 | DavidProck1981 | well i just clicked about every think on my KMenu and nothing opend |
| 08:39.15 | pmv | o_O |
| 08:39.16 | cydork | sts: try with m-a |
| 08:39.23 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Strange |
| 08:39.27 | LeFallen | cydork: Right. With you. Thanks heaps, I understand that now. |
| 08:39.29 | sts | cydork: m-a? |
| 08:39.32 | DavidProck1981 | its all gone |
| 08:39.52 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Meabe, what did you? |
| 08:39.54 | cydork | sts: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 08:40.00 | DavidProck1981 | i tri to open gaim, what im alleady running and it wont open |
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| 08:40.16 | itchi | DavidProck1981: What's your native language? |
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| 08:40.27 | DavidProck1981 | english |
| 08:40.32 | pmv | :-) |
| 08:40.38 | Phated | Hah, no, seriously? |
| 08:40.45 | cydork | bwhahah |
| 08:40.46 | pmv | hmm.. north american? :-) |
| 08:40.50 | itchi | DavidProck1981: a |
| 08:40.57 | DavidProck1981 | a? |
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| 08:41.15 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You do more faults as me haha |
| 08:41.22 | Phated | Can't be, I've known Nortamericanos who can type reasonably well. They still misspell "realise", but hey :) |
| 08:41.23 | amphi | heh |
| 08:41.26 | karsten | DavidProck1981: Um. How old are you? |
| 08:41.29 | DavidProck1981 | well im going to get this over with |
| 08:41.31 | DavidProck1981 | 25 |
| 08:41.37 | itchi | karsten: Yeah, that's the question ;-) |
| 08:41.38 | Phated | karsten: Older than me, and yet... :) |
| 08:41.42 | sts | cydork: m-a is already the newest version. |
| 08:41.47 | njkt | question: i have debian etch installed fine, but when trying to start up X i get stuck at a black screen and apparently its frozen... unsure what the problem could be, (this is on a laptop, an HP) any ideas? |
| 08:41.51 | karsten | Phated: Sexier? |
| 08:42.01 | sts | cydork: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 08:42.03 | pmv | hehe |
| 08:42.04 | Phated | karsten: Not if he can't type decently :) |
| 08:42.12 | karsten | njkt: Any herringbone or big 'X' on that screen? |
| 08:42.12 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Which month? |
| 08:42.19 | cydork | sts: install them :) |
| 08:42.19 | njkt | nope |
| 08:42.30 | pmv | aw cmon.. give him a break . -p |
| 08:42.33 | karsten | She *wikes* me! |
| 08:42.33 | pmv | :-p |
| 08:42.36 | njkt | karsten: just a black screen heh |
| 08:42.37 | Phated | karsten: I do. |
| 08:42.39 | DavidProck1981 | when i do apt-get install xorg, how can i pick a version |
| 08:42.53 | karsten | Phated: You've very kind to a dirty old man. |
| 08:43.04 | DavidProck1981 | how i orginally got xorg was apt-get install xorg |
| 08:43.08 | Phated | karsten: I know, you filthy perv. |
| 08:43.13 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Listen to me, install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src we go to build your driver |
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| 08:43.33 | DavidProck1981 | done did that, its not good enough |
| 08:43.36 | sts | cydork: apt-get install returns the "error". so I cannot install linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686. But i installed linux-kernel-headers (2.6.18-6) on the system/ |
| 08:44.09 | itchi | DavidProck1981: define 'not good enought' |
| 08:44.09 | cydork | Phated: we are not suppose give away personal details!! |
| 08:44.12 | pmv | I also hate this new laptop.. every once in a while I get "APIC error on CPU0: ..." |
| 08:44.25 | DavidProck1981 | not correct for my card |
| 08:44.33 | Phated | cydork: Er... I'm not the one announcing how old I am. Also, work on -your- typing, too. |
| 08:44.37 | DavidProck1981 | to use it proplry |
| 08:44.43 | Xteven | gug, I sometimes get connection reset by peer on some sources when I do apt-get update. Is there a way I can set a retry-counter for a specific source ? for example, try 5 times before giving up ? |
| 08:44.46 | karsten | Phated: You wouldn't have it any other way. |
| 08:44.57 | Phated | (Nor am I the one with my full name in my /whois.) |
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| 08:45.03 | cydork | Phated: na i was talking about karsten being a perv. :P |
| 08:45.04 | Phated | karsten: Never. |
| 08:45.17 | DavidProck1981 | i would be betterr off with out fglrx-driver |
| 08:45.17 | Phated | cydork: That's karsten's business. |
| 08:45.31 | karsten | !tell njkt about set up x |
| 08:45.32 | DavidProck1981 | i need the factory drivers |
| 08:45.38 | karsten | njkt: Try that, see if you get further. |
| 08:45.43 | sts | cydork: it doesn't complain about missing deps it complains about a missing directory in /usr/src/modules/drbd/ which it cannot cd into and run make. so eg. /usr/src/modules/{user,documentation,testing}. they are listed in the Makefile. I just extraced drbd8.tar.gz, changed directory to /usr/src/modules/drbd/ and ran make or dpkg-buildpackage. |
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| 08:45.48 | njkt | it seems its the display settings |
| 08:45.52 | karsten | cydork: I'm not. Stop kicking a dead horse. |
| 08:45.52 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Pastebin the ouptut of lspci |
| 08:45.58 | cydork | sts: which version of debian is this? |
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| 08:46.05 | sts | cydork: etch |
| 08:46.21 | njkt | just tried a default for 640x480 and it worked, but no option for 1280x800 so i have to find the h-sync and v-sync number somewhere O.o |
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| 08:46.38 | cydork | sts: it doesn't have 2.6.18 yet.. |
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| 08:47.14 | cydork | njkt: install hwinfo and run hwinfo --monitor |
| 08:47.24 | njkt | will do |
| 08:47.58 | itchi | njkt: Meabe can this help yo http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/resolution_calc.html |
| 08:48.17 | sts | cydork: hm. what else is the right version of the headers? 2.6.17? |
| 08:48.19 | pmv | wow yaird is brillant |
| 08:48.52 | pmv | -_- |
| 08:48.55 | cydork | sts: you need the same headers as your kernel. but if you can install 2.6.18 you should know about the headers too. |
| 08:49.07 | Xteven | did anyone see my question ? or maybe noone knows the answer ? :) |
| 08:49.27 | pmv | Xteven: join the club :-) |
| 08:49.30 | Phated | Xteven: More likely the latter, if no one has responded. |
| 08:49.31 | sts | cydork: bug i still have a kernel of version 2.6.16 and the system is up to date... |
| 08:49.39 | karsten | Xteven: Not AFAIK. Might try a more reliable mirror. |
| 08:50.17 | sts | cydork: ups, i just saw there are some packages which have been kept back. e.g. linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 08:50.17 | Xteven | karsten : does security.debian.org have mirrors ? :) |
| 08:50.17 | karsten | Xteven: Hrm.... |
| 08:50.20 | karsten | Xteven: That would be "no", BTW. |
| 08:50.23 | cydork | Xteven: nope |
| 08:50.29 | Xteven | ok thx |
| 08:50.51 | sts | s/bug/but/ ;-) |
| 08:50.52 | karsten | Xteven: Might check out apt.conf(5) and apt-config(8) |
| 08:50.58 | Xteven | ok willdo :) th |
| 08:51.00 | Xteven | thx |
| 08:51.18 | karsten | Xteven: "Retries: Number of retries to perform. If this is non-zero APT will retry failed files the given number of times" |
| 08:51.24 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:51.35 | sts | cydork: ok, now it installs me a 2.6.17 kernel. i'll reboot the system and check if i can get the correct header versions. talk to you later... |
| 08:51.52 | cydork | sts: ok.. |
| 08:51.52 | karsten | Phated: Have you read Martin Krafft's book yet? |
| 08:52.52 | Phated | karsten: Title? |
| 08:52.54 | karsten | Phated: I *particularly* recommend p. 26, 3rd paragraph. |
| 08:53.01 | Phated | karsten: Quote? :P |
| 08:53.04 | karsten | Phated: _The Debian System: concepts and techniques" |
| 08:53.09 | karsten | s/"/_/ |
| 08:53.10 | Phated | karsten: Not seen it. |
| 08:53.22 | Phated | karsten: s/_/"/ surely :) |
| 08:53.43 | Xteven | karsten : hah! :) I missed that |
| 08:53.43 | Xteven | thx |
| 08:53.44 | karsten | Nope. Articles are quoted. Book titles are underlined / italicized. |
| 08:54.05 | Phated | Ah! |
| 08:54.24 | karsten | Phated: MLA standard at least, IIRC. |
| 08:55.12 | Phated | karsten: Rightright. |
| 08:55.22 | karsten | Phated: My main beef is that I wish I could find its equivalent for Red Hat. Something that really got into the nuts and bolts of how packaging and configuration really work. Which I suspect doesn't exist because there's no underlying policy. |
| 08:55.38 | Phated | karsten: I don't even know what "it" is! :) |
| 08:56.13 | karsten | Phated: Martin Krafft (madduck) is a DD. This is *the* book for explaining Debian from a admin / maintenance perspective. |
| 08:56.23 | Xteven | apt-get -o Acquire::Retries=5 |
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| 08:56.26 | Xteven | doesn't work :) |
| 08:56.33 | Xteven | it only tries once |
| 08:56.56 | karsten | Phated: Eg: it's the first "here's how you deal with $DISTRO" book I've run into that _doesn't_ have another unnecessary intro-to-bash-and-vi-and-emacs retread. |
| 08:57.01 | Phated | karsten: Well I -know- who he is, but I don't know what para 3 of p. 26 is! :) |
| 08:57.17 | karsten | Phated: Hint: it's acknowledgements ;-) |
| 08:57.23 | Phated | Ah! :) |
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| 08:58.08 | karsten | Phated: I think I'm going to include about 3000 people in acks for my first book, to guarantee sales. |
| 08:58.17 | Phated | karsten: do it :) |
| 08:59.29 | karsten | Phated: http://debiansystem.info/ for website. http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian for publisher info. |
| 08:59.43 | Phated | 'sokay, it's on Amazon :) |
| 08:59.52 | karsten | That too. |
| 09:00.07 | karsten | Buy the PDF now for $26.95 US. |
| 09:00.19 | karsten | TOC: http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian_toc |
| 09:00.22 | Phated | Heh. ENOCC. |
| 09:00.48 | karsten | Just promise to pay it off... |
| 09:00.54 | karsten | And I mean all of it. |
| 09:01.09 | Phated | karsten: Heh. |
| 09:01.10 | karsten | Oh wait, that was the ex's.... |
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| 09:03.02 | cydork | karsten: you writing a book? |
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| 09:03.16 | karsten | cydork: No, just a very long acknowledgements section. |
| 09:03.39 | cydork | karsten: heh ok want my name then :P |
| 09:04.08 | Phated | Surely one doesn't -ask- for an acknowledgement - kind of ruins the point :) |
| 09:04.08 | karsten | cydork: Vihang? What sort of name is that? |
| 09:04.20 | karsten | Phated: It's the new wave, baby. |
| 09:04.43 | Phated | karsten: Baby? |
| 09:04.55 | cydork | karsten: it's weird i know ... :) |
| 09:05.10 | Phated | aaah... |
| 09:05.18 | karsten | ... and an Austin Powers fan. |
| 09:05.20 | Phated | karsten: Good lord, man, you -are- old. |
| 09:05.50 | karsten | Phated: I told you, you made an old man very happy. |
| 09:05.59 | Phated | karsten: Dude. |
| 09:06.21 | karsten | Phated: Dudette. |
| 09:06.35 | Phated | karsten: "dudess", damnit, I'm not THAT young :P |
| 09:06.42 | fireba11 | lol |
| 09:06.57 | karsten | Phated: Legal now, right? |
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| 09:07.59 | Phated | karsten: Two months ago. |
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| 09:08.40 | Phated | that was timgoh0. |
| 09:09.08 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 09:11.28 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 09:11.28 | dpkg | [qotd10] <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 09:12.10 | Bazy | :-) |
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| 09:12.29 | Phated | Oh, that was how she named her scratch files :) |
| 09:12.34 | njkt | alright, found the monitor properties, has the size and resolution but no hsync or vsync information, i did find some values for mHz, kHz and Hz but puttin gthose into the resolution calculator thing it doesn't come out right... any ideas? |
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| 09:14.09 | cydork | njkt: try DPMS |
| 09:14.18 | sts | cydork: ok, i got the linux/header stuff with the right versions now (linux-image-2.6.17-2-686, linux-modules-2.6.17-2-686 and linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686). but it still cannot find the user directory and make returns: make: *** user: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 09:14.23 | sts | cydork: any ideas? |
| 09:14.35 | cydork | sts: paste whole error in a paster |
| 09:14.37 | cydork | !paster |
| 09:14.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 09:15.24 | eggleston | hey guys |
| 09:15.25 | njkt | cydork: is that apart of a package? |
| 09:15.55 | cydork | sts: also search the makefile for the "user"... |
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| 09:16.09 | cydork | njkt: are you using xorg? |
| 09:16.11 | sts | cydork: http://paste.debian.net/16565 |
| 09:16.15 | njkt | yeah |
| 09:16.26 | njkt | with a laptop LCD display |
| 09:18.24 | cydork | njkt: then just put Option "DPMS" in the monitor section. instead of the sync rates. |
| 09:19.38 | cydork | sts: -C stands for the dir. so it checks for user dir which doesn't exist.. |
| 09:19.55 | njkt | didn't work, black screen "crash" :s |
| 09:19.57 | cydork | sts: try with m-a |
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| 09:21.07 | sts | cydork: and the makefile is here: http://sts.ono.at/Makefile |
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| 09:21.57 | cydork | sts: m-a a-i drbd0.7-module-source |
| 09:22.15 | cydork | ohh wait. |
| 09:22.37 | cydork | sts: change version |
| 09:22.38 | Xteven | does anyone use Acquire::Retries ? |
| 09:26.14 | sts | cydork: the following extra packages are going to be installed: g++ g++-4.1 libc6-dev libstdc++6-4.1-dev linux-kernel-headers |
| 09:26.32 | earthian | can somebody help me reinstall a graphics driver fglrx.. i have removed the previous one that i compiled myself and installed with dpkg by using apt-get --purge remove fglrx* however it seems that the kernel module (8.30.3) was not removed before i have installed a new one (8.28.8) with apt-get install fglrx*. It is in xorg.log that the driver cannot be loaded because the versions of the driver and kernel module differs. Can somebody help me remove t |
| 09:26.32 | earthian | hat kernel module and install a prorper one? :) |
| 09:27.00 | cydork | sts: yes you need them |
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| 09:28.24 | njkt | cydork: i have it working now, but its in 640x480 mode now, i have dpms option set and display size, i'm thinking i need a modeline option to make it 1280x800 right? |
| 09:29.14 | Loady | hi. has anyone used the megamon application from LSI with lsi raid adapters? |
| 09:29.15 | cydork | njkt: yep.. |
| 09:29.40 | njkt | i don't suppose there's an easy way to obtaining that huh? heh |
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| 09:31.31 | sts | cydork: ok now it additionaly added dbrd0.7-module and drbd0.7-utils |
| 09:32.00 | cydork | sts: it's installed? |
| 09:32.24 | sts | eye69: and removed drbd8-module-source |
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| 09:32.48 | sts | cydork: yes it installed drbd0.7-module-2.6.17-2-686 and drbd0.7-module-source |
| 09:33.40 | cydork | sts: ohh i said to change the version that you want :P |
| 09:33.43 | blame | how do I download series of files with wget located like this: domain/path/file.x* |
| 09:34.16 | cydork | blame: is it in sequence? |
| 09:34.42 | blame | cydork: yes |
| 09:35.07 | cydork | blame: like file.x1 file.x2 and so on? |
| 09:35.12 | sts | cydork: version 0.7 doesn't compile either. |
| 09:35.35 | buscon | Hi, where's mysql.lock in debian? |
| 09:35.46 | blame | cydork: yes |
| 09:36.05 | cydork | blame: seq 1 10|sed 's@.*@domain/path/file.x&@'|wget -i - |
| 09:37.15 | cydork | sts: what's the error now? |
| 09:37.27 | kottlett | hi! I liked to install a quite minimal gnome - i.e. just gnome-core plus some apps. but no applications like firefox are shown in the gnome menu after I installed them. which (debian) packages do I need for this? |
| 09:37.32 | sts | cydork: the user directory doesn't exist. |
| 09:37.43 | blame | cydork: seems rather comlicated, doesn't wget support recurisve download ? |
| 09:38.00 | sts | cydork: but version 0.7 came with a precompiled package and it installs correctly. |
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| 09:38.45 | cydork | sts: that m-a compiled drbd and installed it.. |
| 09:38.55 | sts | cydork: no |
| 09:39.11 | cydork | sts: drbd doesn't come as a compiled module afaik. |
| 09:39.54 | sts | cydork: it installed drbd0.7 and some other dependencies and stopped. i used dpkg to install the precompiled module which drbd0.7 came with. |
| 09:40.12 | sts | cydork: drbd0.7-module-2.6.17-2-686_0.7.21-3+2.6.17-9_i386.deb |
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| 09:41.03 | hyphenex | 3.5 hours till I'm 18 :D |
| 09:41.56 | cydork | sts: and that was made by m-a |
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| 09:42.04 | sts | cydork: ok, sorry m-a created the deb. |
| 09:42.17 | sts | cydork: but it didn't install drbd8... |
| 09:42.26 | hyphenex | wait... 3.25 :P |
| 09:42.43 | cydork | kottlett: run update-menus |
| 09:43.01 | cydork | sts: use the same procedure for drbd8 |
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| 09:44.28 | cydork | blame: it supports it check the man page but the problem it doesn't support regexp. But the same procedure is is with lftp. |
| 09:44.43 | cydork | s/is is/easy/ |
| 09:45.29 | kottlett | cydork: hm... ok, the important package was "menu" - which delivers the update-menus command. but somehow it didn't help :-/ |
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| 09:47.18 | kottlett | cydork: do I need to restart gnome after that? |
| 09:48.42 | cydork | kottlett: i guess then you have to run the install-menu before. ya try to restart the gnome |
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| 09:52.16 | Joelio | Are there any .debs for apache 2.2 on edge |
| 09:52.34 | dondelelcaro | Joelio: you mean etch? |
| 09:52.41 | Joelio | sorry yea |
| 09:52.53 | dondelelcaro | Joelio: it's already migrated to testing, so yes. |
| 09:53.15 | dondelelcaro | Joelio: packages.debian.org/apache2; would have told you this. |
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| 09:53.38 | Joelio | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.03 | dondelelcaro | Joelio: that sounds like you haven't run apt-get update; recently, or your mirror is out of date. |
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| 09:54.28 | quintin | ping 74.133.103.180 someone? |
| 09:54.50 | Phated | quintin: Seems to be not responding. |
| 09:54.58 | Phated | 12 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
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| 09:56.00 | Phated | On #debian, Sundays are the days to fear. |
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| 09:56.14 | cydork | Phated: na i was talking about real life :P |
| 09:56.29 | Phated | 'real life'... there's an upgrade out? |
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| 09:57.02 | cydork | Phated: tip dont drink too beer with rum on sunday nights :P |
| 09:57.54 | Phated | ... ew. |
| 09:58.08 | sts | cydork: it didn't ask me to install 0.7 |
| 09:58.22 | xingu | beer and tequila on the other hand is both delicious and refreshing |
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| 10:00.38 | quintin | Phated: thanks |
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| 10:01.24 | Phated | ... what did I... oh, right, the ping. Heh, was wondering why I got random thanking. |
| 10:01.29 | cydork | sts: huh? |
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| 10:02.39 | quintin | hm |
| 10:02.42 | quintin | sometimes aros is 180, sometimes 249 |
| 10:02.48 | quintin | it resolves differently... randomly |
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| 10:07.03 | xingu | quintin: I'm bored, if you gimme your fqdn I'll tell you why |
| 10:07.06 | sts | cydork: ok, got it working. i just ran m-a and it worked. but i think this should be documented somewhere... |
| 10:07.22 | cydork | sts: it is.. |
| 10:07.24 | cydork | !m-a |
| 10:07.24 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:07.25 | sts | cydork: like in a /usr/share/doc/drbd8-module-source/Debian.README ... |
| 10:07.50 | sts | cydork: but it's not documented in drbd8-module-source ... |
| 10:08.04 | quintin | xingu: see PM |
| 10:08.14 | cydork | sts: heh.. happens :P |
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| 10:08.44 | sts | cydork: do you know if the module maintainer is somewhere around on freenode? |
| 10:09.08 | cydork | !maint drbd8-utils |
| 10:09.10 | quintin | btw |
| 10:09.12 | dpkg | drbd8-utils: Cyril Bouthors <cyril@bouthors.org> |
| 10:09.12 | quintin | opera kicks ass |
| 10:09.34 | quintin | I just installed v9 for linux cause firefox was royally sucking. sucking enough that I was gonna go back to windoze for desktop. but opera is just great! |
| 10:09.49 | cydork | sts: dont think so.. |
| 10:09.53 | quintin | it has been cleaned upa lot and isn't as "busy" as it used to be |
| 10:09.58 | quintin | xingu: did you get that PM? |
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| 10:11.16 | The_Ritz | I am facing problmes with mkhomedir.so |
| 10:11.18 | xingu | quintin: yep, looking now |
| 10:11.48 | sts | cydork: then i'm going to submit a bug which complains about the documentation.... |
| 10:11.54 | sts | cydork: but thanks for your help. |
| 10:12.24 | xingu | quintin: easy one, your ns host everydns.net is advertising a rr-set (2x A records) for that cname |
| 10:13.33 | quintin | xingu: ok, not easy for me, and dunno what rr-set is |
| 10:13.39 | xingu | quintin: you need to fix it on everydns.net and bump the serial; your ttl is 3600 for that rr so it'll take maybe a couple of hours before the change is coherent out to the edges |
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| 10:13.50 | quintin | xingu: but I do see 2 records. I thought when I add same host it would delete previous. |
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| 10:13.59 | quintin | ah is this 'round-robin' or such? |
| 10:14.01 | xingu | quintin: rr-set is a query response that contains more than one answer |
| 10:14.09 | sandy16 | when i start beryl-manager all the window borders disappear.there is no beryl effect can anyone pls help ? |
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| 10:14.16 | quintin | xingu: what is its purpose? loadbalancing? |
| 10:14.17 | xingu | quintin: yes, that's one name for it, but round-robin is client behaviour in response to this config. |
| 10:14.25 | quintin | xingu: I see I have 2 entries for aros on my ns site |
| 10:14.45 | xingu | quintin: yep; you need to zap one if you only want a single A record response to that canonical name |
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| 10:15.00 | quintin | xingu: how you get to be so smart.. :P |
| 10:15.49 | xingu | quintin: *laugh* smartness has nothing to do with it, running a private ns root that matters is a quick teacher |
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| 10:16.26 | quintin | xingu: well yes isn't really smart.. per se. knowledgable be better word, hmm. |
| 10:16.32 | quintin | xingu: yea I guess I might learn quick in that situation too |
| 10:17.04 | quintin | xingu: here is free tip for you.. install opera :P |
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| 10:17.36 | quintin | seriously, opera has kept me from jumping off a bridge. I couldn't get firefox to perform fast enough. Opera is working nicely though. |
| 10:17.47 | xushi | morning all |
| 10:17.50 | quintin | I think on win ff uses qt libs, not gtk. might be it |
| 10:18.19 | xushi | i installed a minimal system, and would like to use aptitude to install x, apache, etc.. but dont want it to download them from the net. I've got the 2DVD set. Do i have to edit anything, or copy the sources anywhere first ? |
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| 10:18.49 | anisX | hello all greetings |
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| 10:19.11 | quintin | xushi: you need to make sure the soruces are in /etc/apt/sources.list. google for "debian dvd sources.list" or so and you might find help. I always install from the net myself. |
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| 10:19.32 | xushi | quintin: me too, but my net is limited atm =./ |
| 10:19.34 | xushi | thanis |
| 10:19.36 | xushi | thanks * |
| 10:19.54 | quintin | xushi: that suxks |
| 10:20.03 | cydork | xushi: just use apt-cdrom |
| 10:20.05 | quintin | I have a 4m connection. going to have it upgraded to 6m soon. |
| 10:20.22 | xushi | i did the worst mistake in life by choosing Tiscali this year |
| 10:20.29 | fireba11 | haha |
| 10:20.38 | fireba11 | xushi tiscali sucks |
| 10:20.45 | kottlett | cydork: install & gnome restart did the trick - thx :) |
| 10:20.47 | quintin | http://aros.riisconsulting.com/phpsysinfo/ heyhey, it works. although phpsysinfo reports wrong ip. oh well, not important |
| 10:20.50 | xushi | it was so bad i decided to make socialprotest.com with a friend to start complaining about it all :) |
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| 10:20.59 | quintin | xushi: hmmm... I have a friend in dk who used to use tiscali |
| 10:21.00 | cydork | kottlett: np :) |
| 10:21.32 | xushi | this "fair usage policy" crap.. seriously, it's unfair! if i'm paying for Xmb/sec, i should have the right to use Xmb/sec... |
| 10:22.07 | quintin | xushi: I agree. if I complain to my current isp about my speeds not being what they should be, I usually get a $20 credit.. |
| 10:22.14 | anisX | can anyone help me with fdisk ? i try to format my usb device ( which is laptop's hdd ) , this usb device undetected on windows OS , but i can detect it on linux..what should i do ? |
| 10:23.14 | quintin | anisX: the main hdd for the laptop is a usb disk ?? |
| 10:23.19 | xushi | quintin: lucky you :) All i ever get is a gentleman from india who unfortunately doesn't know anything about isp tech support. It took me half an hour one time to tell him my line's dead, and all he insists on asking is what norton antivirus version i'm using.. i keep telling him i'm on linux, but that didn't help |
| 10:23.27 | anisX | quintin, yes |
| 10:23.53 | anisX | quintin, i plugged off the hdd and put in on usb case |
| 10:24.39 | quintin | xushi: haha |
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| 10:25.03 | quintin | anisX: hmmmmm screwy. so I guess the BIOS supports booting from usb? |
| 10:25.23 | anisX | quintin, this is not about booting..but i want to format is as windows filesystem |
| 10:25.37 | quintin | anisX: mkdosfs ? |
| 10:25.50 | anisX | quintin, full command is ? |
| 10:25.57 | anisX | mkdosfs /dev/sda ? |
| 10:26.02 | quintin | anisX: 'man mkdosfs' |
| 10:26.04 | quintin | anisX: yep |
| 10:26.16 | anisX | quintin, trying |
| 10:26.20 | xushi | anyway, anyone ever report very slow cd-read speeds in debian in vmware ? |
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| 10:34.42 | quintin | xushi: what is the host os? |
| 10:34.59 | Sypher | guys, one question ... would it be possible to run spamassassin to check a mailbox directory recursively and automatically delete when a positive is found? ... |
| 10:36.16 | hyphenex | Just installed from CD |
| 10:36.22 | fireba11 | Sypher: taht definitely sounds like a bad idea |
| 10:36.22 | hyphenex | do I want to add another source for apt? |
| 10:36.40 | fireba11 | hyphenex: yes ... at least to get security updates |
| 10:37.19 | Sypher | fireba11, wy? |
| 10:37.29 | hyphenex | I don't care about security (local intranet server, just needs apahce2, python, python-SQL, Zope, Twisted, mySQL & php... Do I need to add them for those? |
| 10:37.34 | fireba11 | Sypher: ever heared of false positives ? |
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| 10:37.46 | fireba11 | hyphenex no |
| 10:38.00 | hyphenex | I can always add them later, right? |
| 10:38.11 | Sypher | fireba11, that would be acceptable. and anyway the risk is relatively low, my main language is italian and there aint any non-italian official mails so ... |
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| 10:39.04 | hyphenex | Great... I don't think networking in VMware is working :s |
| 10:39.07 | fireba11 | Sypher: of course its possible, will require some scripting probably though |
| 10:39.23 | fireba11 | hyphenex: yes |
| 10:39.37 | Sypher | fireba11, not that good with that.... do you know of any already made tools for that? |
| 10:40.25 | fireba11 | Sypher: spamassassin is designed to check incoming mails, not mails already delivered to user folders so probably not |
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| 10:40.38 | Sypher | fireba11, ok thanks anyway ;P |
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| 10:43.27 | anisX | thanks!! |
| 10:43.28 | anisX | yay! |
| 10:43.40 | hyphenex | I found another hugger :) |
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| 10:44.00 | hyphenex | Although, someone has said to me, and I quote "You give the best virtual hugs"... so beat that :P |
| 10:44.09 | kryptoz | Hi Guys need a help with the x server |
| 10:45.08 | Joelio | having trouble running apache2.2 (apache2.2-common) on etch, get: No apache MPM package installed |
| 10:45.42 | kryptoz | i installed Debian.. and now the x refuses to start ..http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/19142 |
| 10:45.50 | kryptoz | can anyone please help me with this |
| 10:46.08 | anisX | hyphenex, should i hug you too ? |
| 10:46.08 | jelly-home | hyphenex: real hugs trump the virtual ones any time! |
| 10:48.31 | kryptoz | guys can anyone tell me how do i reconfigure Xfree86 ? |
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| 10:49.14 | petemc | !drxx kryptoz |
| 10:49.14 | dpkg | kryptoz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:49.32 | kryptoz | thanx petemc |
| 10:50.18 | petemc | np |
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| 10:54.51 | spo0nman | is there a way to figure out what window is active in KDE/X? and perhaps take the title text out? |
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| 10:55.17 | LaCReMeL | watch that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwvMRLAzMBw |
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| 10:58.19 | kryptoz | i did reconfigure the xserver and still its the same thing :( |
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| 10:58.34 | kryptoz | somebody help me please :( |
| 10:59.11 | dusty | Hey guys how can I stop my debian system from displaying the last login ip for a user account ? You know when you ssh into the system and just before you are presented with a prompt it says "Last login ip..." how do I stop it from disclosing that information? |
| 11:02.05 | xushi | quintin: host os Gentoo. i've got winxp in vmware too with normal cd speed. |
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| 11:14.01 | McNulty | Sorry for such a newbie question, but what determines whether a user can log in over SSH? I've created a new user but can't seem to log in as them. |
| 11:14.22 | petemc | McNulty: check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:14.35 | petemc | McNulty: if you used adduser, they should be allowed to ssh by default |
| 11:14.55 | pitillo | McNulty, is the service sshd up? |
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| 11:16.02 | McNulty | petemc - PAM authentication failure. Would that indicate an incorrect password? |
| 11:16.10 | petemc | McNulty: yes |
| 11:16.35 | McNulty | oh, ok. We have a user creation script I've not used before so I guess I've gone wrong there somehow. Thanks ;-) |
| 11:17.44 | McNulty | petemc - gah, that's solved it. Thanks! |
| 11:17.49 | petemc | np |
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| 11:19.31 | ringo999 | hi, does anyone here have debian running under parallels on macosx? |
| 11:20.03 | ringo999 | im having trouble setting up my german keyboard, i.e. the "|" symbol is mapped to "alt+7" under mac... |
| 11:23.07 | dusty | Hey guys how can I stop my debian system from displaying the last login ip for a user account ? You know when you ssh into the system and just before you are presented with a prompt it says "Last login ip..." how do I stop it from disclosing that information? |
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| 11:24.08 | dondelelcaro | dusty: edit /etc/pam.d/login and similar to remove the lastlog module. |
| 11:24.20 | dusty | thanks |
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| 11:25.59 | dusty | dondelelcaro, Ok I commented that out, but it still shows it on successfull login, do I need to restart something? |
| 11:27.00 | duckeo | if i've deleted the /etc/mysql files for mysql (server), how can I reinstall the package and the /etc/mysql files? apt-get remove mysql-server; apt-get install mysql-server doesn't seem to regenerate the files |
| 11:27.05 | duckeo | nor does dpkg-reconfigure |
| 11:27.15 | cydork | !tell duckeo about confmiss |
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| 11:27.29 | dusty | duckeo, apt-get remove --purge package then apt-get install package |
| 11:27.43 | duckeo | cheers |
| 11:27.58 | kryptoz | can anyone help me on the debian xserver problem please |
| 11:28.08 | kryptoz | i installed Debian.. and now the x refuses to start ..http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/19142 |
| 11:28.11 | xingu | I wonder if there's a stable versionned filesystem yet |
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| 11:28.55 | dusty | dondelelcaro, ? |
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| 11:32.10 | dondelelcaro | dusty: you may need to have a restarted login; but which logins are you talking about? |
| 11:32.21 | dusty | for every user |
| 11:32.29 | dondelelcaro | dusty: from where? |
| 11:32.43 | dusty | what do you mean from where? they just use ssh to connect.. |
| 11:33.44 | dondelelcaro | dusty: then you want /etc/pam.d/ssh, not login. |
| 11:33.52 | dusty | oh |
| 11:33.53 | dusty | ok |
| 11:34.47 | dusty | dondelelcaro, there is nothing in /etc/pam.d/ssh for hiding the IP? |
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| 11:37.15 | dondelelcaro | dusty: there may not be, in which case you're using /etc/ssh/sshd_config's PrintLastLog |
| 11:37.24 | dusty | ah |
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| 11:41.07 | sanabriamusic | hey sleepy headss |
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| 11:49.11 | ringo999 | under debian, where are normally keymaps stored? /lib... |
| 11:51.44 | tonyb2006 | http://news.lycos.com/dynamic/stories/S/SUN_JAVA_OPEN_SOURCE?SITE=LYCOS&SECTION=TECHNOLOGY&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-11-13-00-26-47 |
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| 11:52.00 | tonyb2006 | Sun Makes Java Tech. Open-Source Project |
| 11:54.33 | simonrvn | ringo999: /usr/share/keymaps IIRC |
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| 12:00.26 | paolob | Hi guys! My cron daemon all the mondays tries to run debbackup (which I had and I purged) http://ca.pastebin.com/823206 , but in cron config I haven't anything related to debbackup. Any idea where could be the cron config that run that? |
| 12:01.34 | radical__ | cron.weekly? |
| 12:02.00 | paolob | radical__, cron.weekly runs on sundays, and it hasn't anything related to debbackup |
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| 12:02.29 | radical__ | find /etc -type f -exec grep -H debbackup {} \; |
| 12:02.30 | DimmuR|away | is somethin special needed to prepare (without making .deb) kernel to work on other machine? |
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| 12:02.36 | ringo999 | simonrvn: thx! |
| 12:02.46 | simonrvn | ok |
| 12:03.11 | ringo999 | what would be the equivalent debian file to "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard" on redhat? |
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| 12:03.23 | magnet | hi |
| 12:03.48 | simonrvn | /etc/keymap/config also check in /etc/default |
| 12:03.52 | simonrvn | iirc |
| 12:04.35 | ringo999 | simonrvn: thx man! |
| 12:04.47 | paolob | radical__, it finds only "/etc/rsyncd.conf:# The following module created by debbackup" and "/etc/debbackup.conf:# debbackup configuration file" |
| 12:05.19 | radical__ | hmm crontab -e? |
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| 12:05.51 | paolob | radical__, there it is!!!! but where is that config stored? |
| 12:06.01 | radical__ | hmm in /root/ i guess |
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| 12:06.46 | radical__ | but im not entirely sure |
| 12:06.54 | simonrvn | cron stuff? check /etc/cron.* and /etc/crontab and the user's crontab |
| 12:07.05 | paolob | radical__, no, in /root there isn't anything containing debbackup |
| 12:07.42 | paolob | simonrvn, the stuff is that "sudo crontab -e" shows a config which isn't in cron config |
| 12:08.03 | simonrvn | crontab takes a -u option for username |
| 12:08.08 | ringo999 | simonrvn: no luck, cant really find anything. basically im looking for the file where to specify KEYBOARDTYPE and KEYTABLE variables ... |
| 12:08.13 | simonrvn | see which user it is and fix it |
| 12:08.56 | simonrvn | ringo999: ok. depending on your debian version, you can configure your keyboard entirely with debconf and other things |
| 12:09.53 | lindenle|room | /msag *away show |
| 12:09.55 | ringo999 | well, yeah, how to do? i got this manually created keymap file which i put in the /usr/share/keymap/i368/qwertz folder |
| 12:09.57 | simonrvn | ringo999: dpkg-reconfigure something |
| 12:10.09 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 12:10.11 | simonrvn | sec |
| 12:11.03 | paolob | simonrvn, where could be that crontab config? it isn't in /etc/cron*, nor in /root |
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| 12:11.09 | ringo999 | is it dpkg-reconfigure console-common? |
| 12:11.30 | tarzeau | java is GNU GPL now? |
| 12:11.49 | Fox | no tarzeau, only part of it, yet |
| 12:12.02 | tarzeau | Fox: what part? |
| 12:12.31 | Fox | should be javac and HotSpot at the beginin |
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| 12:12.50 | tarzeau | Fox: only that? |
| 12:12.58 | Fox | yep |
| 12:13.14 | tarzeau | Fox: and HotJava ? |
| 12:13.30 | Fox | maybe more but I'm not fond of java, so I don't know and don't want to ask google :) |
| 12:13.38 | radical__ | paolob: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 12:13.43 | radical__ | there they are |
| 12:13.45 | tarzeau | Fox: same here, i'm not fond of it either |
| 12:13.50 | uski | hi, i have connected a wacom graphire stylus tablet to my PC; it is corrrectly detected and it works under X but I do _not_ want X to recognize the stylus (I need the driver for another purpose). How can I tell the X server to ignore the stylus ? |
| 12:14.07 | simonrvn | ringo999: doh found it, /etc/cconsole-tools |
| 12:14.14 | simonrvn | ringo999: er, one c |
| 12:14.25 | ringo999 | simonrvn: nice |
| 12:14.30 | ringo999 | lets have a look ... |
| 12:14.38 | Fox | tarzeau: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp |
| 12:15.01 | simonrvn | the keymap would be in /etc/console |
| 12:15.33 | Fox | tarzeau: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=43046 |
| 12:16.01 | ringo999 | simonrvn: so i should just copy my customized keymap to /etc/console |
| 12:16.24 | simonrvn | is this a sarge box? |
| 12:16.30 | paolob | radical__, simonrvn , resolved, thank you very much!!!! |
| 12:16.30 | ringo999 | yep |
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| 12:16.33 | sts | hello folks |
| 12:16.54 | sts | can anyone explain how to create a extended disk partition in cfdisk? |
| 12:16.58 | simonrvn | yeh, just make sure it doesn't wipe it on upgrade |
| 12:17.11 | ringo999 | simonrvn: ...under parallels ond macbook. hence the customized keymap... |
| 12:17.34 | ringo999 | simonrvn: ok, will give it a shot, thx a lot |
| 12:17.55 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 12:18.33 | messju_ | sure :) |
| 12:19.06 | simonrvn | a lot? :) |
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| 12:19.30 | ringo999 | big time! ;-) |
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| 12:21.12 | Penix | wenas |
| 12:21.32 | Enselic | I'd like to get a preliminary date when mono 1.2 is released for debian unstable. Where should I turn? |
| 12:22.56 | Penix | Enselic: the pkg-mono team might know |
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| 12:25.16 | Enselic | Penix: Do they have an IRC channel or something? What would be the best way to ask them? |
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| 12:27.10 | duckeo | how can I obtain the startup scripts for mysql-server after I've manually deleted them? |
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| 12:30.44 | Enselic | duckeo: Now a Trashbin function makes sense, eh? ;) |
| 12:30.57 | duckeo | unfortunately :( |
| 12:31.09 | Penix | Enselic: don't know about an irc channel, but you could check the mailing list archives to see if 1.2's been mentioned |
| 12:31.16 | duckeo | but i dont' see why it's so hard to 'undo' manually removing some folders that are generated within apt |
| 12:31.27 | Penix | Enselic: pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org will have more info |
| 12:31.36 | Enselic | Penix: Thanks |
| 12:31.48 | duckeo | i manually removed the startup file and the /etc/mysql directory before doing apt-get remove; apt-get install and now I can't get those files back :( |
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| 12:35.15 | Enselic | duckeo: I'm not an apt-pro, but have you tried apt-get clean | autoclean? |
| 12:35.44 | ukasz | do you know any utility to mount iso images and edit them ? |
| 12:35.44 | duckeo | i think i did try apt-get clean already |
| 12:35.57 | duckeo | i've managed to recover the things i needed now, dug into the .deb file to obtain it |
| 12:35.59 | quintin | ukasz: mount ? |
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| 12:36.30 | ukasz | quintin: when i want to add some files it says read only file system |
| 12:36.41 | quintin | ukasz: man mount, mount -o rw |
| 12:36.46 | DaBlade | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/13/0724252&from=rss <--- Wow. |
| 12:36.57 | quintin | DaBlade: slashdot is for idiots. :) |
| 12:37.23 | DaBlade | quintin: Beats digg. :) |
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| 12:37.53 | quintin | digg is also pretty disgusting |
| 12:37.54 | ukasz | quintin: thx but is there a way so normal user not root can mount images ? |
| 12:38.03 | DaBlade | quintin: And how about Reddit? |
| 12:38.07 | ringo999 | simonrvn: hmmm... been trying to install my keymap using "install-keymap". im reading here something about a command called "xmodmap" but i cant seem to find that command under debian... |
| 12:38.13 | quintin | ukasz: yes, but you need to talk to your sysop |
| 12:38.54 | ukasz | quintin: still read only fs massage |
| 12:39.05 | quintin | holy shit! |
| 12:39.13 | quintin | DaBlade: I just about choked on my coke |
| 12:39.16 | seth1248 | Can anyone please help me diagnose my sound problem? Using debian etch. My audio is not working. I have nforce audio (snd_intel8x0 driver) |
| 12:39.18 | quintin | DaBlade: that *is* news! |
| 12:39.22 | DaBlade | Indeed |
| 12:39.29 | DaBlade | http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp |
| 12:39.33 | DaBlade | Sun is gonna announce it soon |
| 12:39.36 | DaBlade | How many hours until that? |
| 12:39.39 | quintin | DaBlade: I was at reddit once, but only for a moment. can't give a judgement on it |
| 12:39.40 | DaBlade | (I'm in GMT+1) |
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| 12:40.23 | ukasz | damm still read only fs |
| 12:40.27 | ukasz | any ideas ? |
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| 12:41.07 | quintin | ukasz: did you mount -o rw? |
| 12:41.15 | ukasz | yes |
| 12:41.22 | quintin | ukasz: winrar can open ISO images... |
| 12:41.28 | quintin | ukasz: fileroller? |
| 12:41.33 | ukasz | but can not edit them |
| 12:41.43 | DaBlade | quintin: Any idea how long until that? |
| 12:41.52 | quintin | DaBlade: how long until what? |
| 12:42.01 | DaBlade | Look at that sun.com link |
| 12:42.03 | Supaplex | DaBlade: when they're ready |
| 12:42.06 | DaBlade | 9:30 PT |
| 12:42.09 | Enselic | seth1248: Try to install alsa and use alsamixer, that worked for me (on Ubuntu) |
| 12:42.14 | DaBlade | http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp |
| 12:42.23 | quintin | DaBlade: I'm busy filling out my personal information on this website so I can get a FREE 2ghz apple macbook pro, give me a second |
| 12:42.41 | DaBlade | quintin: It's gotta be a scam site |
| 12:42.45 | DaBlade | A pyramid scam maybe |
| 12:43.02 | DaBlade | "get a mac if you refer 200 friends here" |
| 12:43.23 | quintin | there's got to be at least 200 people in the channel... |
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| 12:43.36 | ukasz | quintin : do you have any ideas ? |
| 12:43.44 | Supaplex | !ideas |
| 12:43.44 | dpkg | from memory, ideas is I was thinking of a plan to dye one's whiskers green, and always use so large a fan that they could not be seen. |
| 12:44.01 | quintin | ukasz: try fileroller maybe. |
| 12:44.17 | quintin | people who sit in channels waiting for an opportunity to !blah blah suck. |
| 12:44.19 | ukasz | quintin: fileroller opens iso but can not edit it |
| 12:44.35 | quintin | ukasz: mhm. well, extract the files somewhere, then build it again with mkisofs |
| 12:44.46 | DaBlade | quintin: Let me see the site. I'll tell you if it looks legit. (No, I don't want a mac. I _HATE_ TPMs.) |
| 12:44.56 | quintin | DaBlade: what means TPM? |
| 12:45.00 | blondie | ukasz: make a new iso from the "edited" one |
| 12:45.08 | DaBlade | quintin: Treacherous platform module |
| 12:45.10 | DaBlade | Macs have them |
| 12:45.20 | DaBlade | Basically hardware DRM |
| 12:45.54 | quintin | DaBlade: http://producttestpanel.com/macbook/?lid=macbook_6888_T1 | I'm being somewhat facetious, of course. ;) just something I got in my email today. probably nigh-impossible to fullfil the requirements |
| 12:46.07 | seth1248 | Enselic: Thank's, but I've already tried that several times. |
| 12:46.08 | quintin | DaBlade: oh reaaaaally. do tell. I have a friend who is all mac this, mac that, blah blah |
| 12:46.14 | DaBlade | Product test panel |
| 12:46.17 | DaBlade | Seen dozens of those |
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| 12:46.25 | DaBlade | They're scams |
| 12:46.35 | DaBlade | You're likely to get a mac for a week, write a review about it and have to return it |
| 12:46.41 | DaBlade | Or some other type of trck |
| 12:46.43 | DaBlade | trick* |
| 12:47.00 | ukasz | quintin: error with fileroller. it has crashed |
| 12:47.04 | ukasz | :( |
| 12:47.11 | quintin | so these things are cool: 1) xfce, 2) opera v9 |
| 12:47.11 | DaBlade | Probably gonna get your address sold to spammers |
| 12:47.17 | Supaplex | ouuu pipe dream, free stuff no strings |
| 12:47.19 | DaBlade | Don't go for it |
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| 12:47.39 | quintin | ukasz: wtf I look like, a guru or something? mount it then cp -r to ~/tmp/ |
| 12:47.45 | hyphenex | I can't get debain to net-install |
| 12:47.54 | quintin | DaBlade: ja, I said I was being facetious :p |
| 12:47.57 | hyphenex | I don't think it's configured my network card or something correctly? |
| 12:48.13 | quintin | hyphenex: what is the output of ifconfig? |
| 12:48.26 | hyphenex | from the default boot thing, how do I drop to a console? |
| 12:48.34 | hyphenex | the setup boot thing? |
| 12:48.39 | quintin | hyphenex: ctrl + alt + f2 |
| 12:48.39 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.39 | DaBlade | 1. to provide you with personalized marketing information via electronic delivery and/or direct mail; |
| 12:48.39 | DaBlade | 2. to send you targeted advertising via electronic delivery and/or direct mail; |
| 12:48.44 | DaBlade | From their privacy policy |
| 12:48.45 | DaBlade | Spam ^ |
| 12:48.56 | DaBlade | http://producttestpanel.com/terms.htm |
| 12:49.01 | hyphenex | quintin, I'll tell you in a few... I think it might be working now? |
| 12:49.11 | DaBlade | Read it carefully if you intend to go for it, but my advice is, don't |
| 12:49.17 | quintin | oh I don't :P |
| 12:49.25 | quintin | it's just a random thing that got through my spam-filters |
| 12:50.02 | DaBlade | :) |
| 12:50.08 | DaBlade | As for TPM |
| 12:50.15 | DaBlade | http://ia300124.us.archive.org/3/items/TrustedComputing/ |
| 12:50.16 | hyphenex | I don't think Ctrl + Alt works in VMware :( |
| 12:50.17 | quintin | firefox is so horribly broken on linux :\ |
| 12:50.19 | DaBlade | Look at that short video about it |
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| 12:50.33 | quintin | hyphenex: fix your vmware then. it can work |
| 12:50.34 | DaBlade | And read this article by Richard Stallman: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html |
| 12:50.41 | DaBlade | quintin ^^ |
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| 12:51.06 | quintin | DaBlade: rms can diaf. is this the really fancy video with the little cartoon man and the european narrator? |
| 12:52.11 | DaBlade | Yeah |
| 12:52.11 | DaBlade | diaf? |
| 12:52.14 | quintin | die in a fire. quod vide esad |
| 12:52.22 | DaBlade | Why? |
| 12:52.50 | quintin | I don't care for him |
| 12:52.56 | DaBlade | If it weren't for him, GNU/Linux wouldn't exist. |
| 12:52.57 | quintin | I thought palladium was ditched? |
| 12:53.02 | DaBlade | Well, he still makes a good point |
| 12:53.09 | DaBlade | Palladium is microsoft's |
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| 12:53.16 | DaBlade | But Apple still produce machines with TPMs |
| 12:53.20 | DaBlade | as do IBM and lenovo |
| 12:53.24 | quintin | DaBlade: I also don't care for 'GNU/Linux' :P |
| 12:53.29 | quintin | in hardware? |
| 12:53.36 | seth1248 | Can anyone please help me diagnose my sound problem? Using debian etch. My audio is not working. I have nforce audio (snd_intel8x0 driver) |
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| 12:53.41 | ringo999 | how can i see what keymap debian has currently loaded? |
| 12:53.42 | jelly-home | DaBlade: not that tpm hardware is used for tpm... |
| 12:53.59 | DaBlade | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Disputed_issues_and_criticism_of_trusted_computing |
| 12:54.16 | DaBlade | jelly-home: ? |
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| 12:54.38 | quintin | seth1248: /join #alsa |
| 12:54.42 | jelly-home | DaBlade: I have a tpm chip in my Thinkpad, and it happily does nothing. |
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| 12:55.43 | seth1248 | Thanks for the tip, Joining alsa. |
| 12:56.07 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Let's see if that remains a fact if you install Vista. |
| 12:56.12 | quintin | tee pee ... em.. ?! I didn't know this stuff was already out there |
| 12:56.32 | DaBlade | It's been for years |
| 12:56.58 | DaBlade | And Crapple have been using them for quite some time |
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| 12:57.14 | norc | TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer *some IP* ... < that does not look good |
| 12:57.14 | norc | eh? |
| 12:57.28 | quintin | so.. what does this .. tee pee em thingie do on eg a macbookpro that I'm considering buying |
| 12:57.32 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Once chipset manufacturers start moving away from BIOS and over to EFI, you'll see a jump in TPM activity. |
| 12:58.13 | DaBlade | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#What_it_does |
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| 12:58.20 | piikoo | Hi, I have problem when running X from gdm as I reinstalled whole X recently - it gets me to the safe session with only terminal. |
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| 12:58.42 | DaBlade | piikoo: Try kdm |
| 12:58.46 | piikoo | Did anyone experienced such behaviour or do you know where to find logs? |
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| 12:59.28 | piikoo | DaBlade: Well, but I have good experience with gdm |
| 13:00.05 | piikoo | DaBlade: I know it happened few month ago on different computer, but I do not how I repaired it |
| 13:00.06 | ringo999 | can anyone please tell me how I can figure out what keymap is currently loaded in my debian system? |
| 13:00.06 | jelly-home | DaBlade: I sincerely doubt Vista will require TPM. |
| 13:00.11 | DaBlade | piikoo: I, personally, can't help you since I can't stand GNOME or GDM, nor do I use either of the two. I'm just making a suggestion. Maybe you don't have the same problem with KDM... |
| 13:00.19 | DaBlade | jelly-home: It might |
| 13:00.31 | DaBlade | And it might not *require* |
| 13:00.32 | piikoo | DaBlade: ok, I will try |
| 13:00.42 | DaBlade | But it might use one if there is one there |
| 13:00.52 | jelly-home | DaBlade: yeah. I might be stricken by lightning in the next 5 seconds too, it's just not very likely. |
| 13:01.00 | DaBlade | lol |
| 13:01.11 | DaBlade | I'm just saying, with Microsoft's privacy track record. |
| 13:01.20 | DaBlade | Who knows? |
| 13:01.32 | DaBlade | Either way, I feel safer knowing there isn't one there in the first place |
| 13:01.42 | quintin | hm |
| 13:02.07 | quintin | rms paints a dark picture. that would be a rather nasty future.. if 25 yrs from now it's not possible to build a computer without a tee pee em |
| 13:02.27 | DaBlade | quintin: He paints a realistic one |
| 13:02.29 | DaBlade | And here's why: |
| 13:02.59 | DaBlade | https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/about/members/ |
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| 13:03.11 | DaBlade | Almost all of the major tech companies are in on it |
| 13:03.14 | quintin | DaBlade: you wearing a tinfoil hat? |
| 13:03.43 | quintin | don't see apple |
| 13:04.03 | DaBlade | quintin: I'm wearing silver-coloured headphones. :P |
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| 13:04.52 | DaBlade | Just do a web search for "apple tpm" |
| 13:04.59 | quintin | DaBlade: could you see yourself wearing a sign, ringing a bell, and telling everyone the end is nigh? |
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| 13:05.56 | DaBlade | quintin: No. For several reasons: I'm sane, I'm not religious and I hate bells. :) |
| 13:06.19 | whaq | yea, they've stopped using bells and have moved to mails a few years ago. |
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| 13:06.28 | whaq | bells blow. |
| 13:06.59 | quintin | DaBlade: ok, just checking. |
| 13:07.23 | quintin | DaBlade: I don't have problems with apple making osx so it can only run on a mac with a tpm chip |
| 13:07.57 | radical__ | quintin: me neither, as long as you can emulate that chip in software :) |
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| 13:08.10 | DaBlade | radical__: Why would you want to? :P |
| 13:08.59 | radical__ | DaBlade: i dont like apple's hardware choices |
| 13:09.37 | DaBlade | I mean, why would you wanna use OSX when you can have Debian? :P |
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| 13:09.55 | radical__ | i dont want osx, i just want to be able to pirate it |
| 13:10.07 | quintin | DaBlade: osx > debian |
| 13:10.21 | quintin | radical__: you done that? setup osx on random x86 hw? It's on my todo list |
| 13:10.34 | DaBlade | quintin: I disagree. |
| 13:10.47 | quintin | DaBlade: ok. not sure why.. :P |
| 13:11.02 | radical__ | quintin: afaik there is at least one version that can be installed. i set up a beta using vmware once, worked fine. |
| 13:11.13 | DaBlade | Aside from flashy graphics, which you can easily topple with AIGLX, what does Mac have to offer? |
| 13:11.27 | quintin | radical__: feel free to pm me details on how to get it. I've looked for something similar, but had trouble |
| 13:11.33 | hyphenex | It's trying to connect to security.debian.org:80 at 1.0.0.0???? |
| 13:11.37 | hyphenex | something is not right |
| 13:11.44 | hyphenex | I can drop down to a console and ping it fine though? |
| 13:11.56 | piikoo | DaBlade: Unfortunately no success, it seems, that there is X problem |
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| 13:12.15 | piikoo | DaBlade: do you think this is more to the X phorum? |
| 13:12.15 | quintin | DaBlade: 'easily'? hah. I've tried for hours to get DRI working on i810. |
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| 13:13.17 | DaBlade | quintin: I got nVIDIA. "Easily" goes for me. :) |
| 13:13.36 | quintin | DaBlade: I don't. |
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| 13:15.20 | usr_rob | I read that the Thinkpad R60 are quiet heavy and that the case not as hard as the T60. Anyone with a R60, please write your opinion what you think of it. |
| 13:15.21 | wimpies | Hi all, need some help with ifupdown ... Upgraded some packages and now I get SIOCSIFADDR : Permission denied when running ifup eth0 |
| 13:15.28 | wimpies | Net card works under windows |
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| 13:16.31 | PupenoR | Does anybody know why bind9 would serve old data, like if it is being caching itself. |
| 13:16.36 | tralala | wimpies, do you run testing/unstable? |
| 13:16.49 | wimpies | unstable |
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| 13:17.45 | br1_ | Hello, all .. I just updated trac on two boxes running debian stable, and they both broke horribly .. calling functions that are just not there .. anyone out there seeing this ? |
| 13:18.05 | seth1248 | Can anyone give me some tips on how I can rule out why I have no sound? |
| 13:18.49 | hyphenex | seth1248, Well, are you speakers turned on? |
| 13:18.58 | PupenoR | What alternative are there for bind9 nowadays ? |
| 13:19.09 | seth1248 | hyphenex: yes |
| 13:19.28 | Fox | PupenoR: djbdns ? |
| 13:19.29 | br1_ | seth1248: check for alsa files in proc ? .. Sorry, can't quite remember what they are called right now .. |
| 13:19.42 | tralala | seth1248: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 13:20.21 | tralala | actuall alsa-checklist |
| 13:20.24 | PupenoR | Fox: do you know if it has something like bind9 views ? |
| 13:20.26 | wimpies | tralala : problem might be related to ifplugd before it did not work |
| 13:21.07 | hyphenex | how do I install Python with Apt-Get? |
| 13:21.35 | DaBlade | apt-get install python-2.5 |
| 13:21.51 | hyphenex | Could not find package... |
| 13:21.55 | DaBlade | apt-get install python2.5 |
| 13:22.01 | DaBlade | Without the - |
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| 13:22.20 | hyphenex | DaBlade, Same |
| 13:22.23 | Fox | dunno PupenoR |
| 13:22.30 | hyphenex | DaBlade, Do I have to add another apt source or something/ |
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| 13:22.31 | DaBlade | hyphenex: hold a sec |
| 13:22.53 | DaBlade | python2.5 - An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5) |
| 13:23.03 | DaBlade | Testing, stable, unstable? |
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| 13:23.56 | hyphenex | I think 2.4 is the current stable version? |
| 13:24.15 | quintin | seth1248: do you have alsa installed? I just do apt-get install alsa .. |
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| 13:24.43 | DaBlade | hyphenex: Well, I got testing and python2.5 works for me |
| 13:24.51 | seth1248 | quintin: yes alsa is installed |
| 13:24.53 | DaBlade | try 2.4 or add the testing repo |
| 13:24.58 | br1_ | I can't belive the security update for trac completely broke the whole package .. that is so bad, and call me conservative, but I thought Debian stable didn't do this .. |
| 13:25.02 | hyphenex | DaBlade, Okies, how do I install 2.5?? |
| 13:25.04 | quintin | seth1248: what do you get when you run alsamixer? |
| 13:25.16 | DaBlade | add the testing repository |
| 13:25.25 | hyphenex | DaBlade, Same with 2.4... brand new installation, I havn't added anything |
| 13:25.59 | seth1248 | quintin: I get scratchy sounds when I move master volume in alsamixer. |
| 13:26.01 | tralala | hyphenex, sarge? |
| 13:26.04 | quitte | i'm getting lots of 4gb seg fixup messages with xen on sid. |
| 13:26.07 | DaBlade | try adding this to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:26.07 | dutche- | does anybody knows a good program to put subtitles in a AVI video? |
| 13:26.09 | DaBlade | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 13:26.09 | DaBlade | deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 13:26.20 | DaBlade | Then do apt-get update && apt-get install python2.5 |
| 13:26.26 | DaBlade | (all as root of course) |
| 13:26.43 | SpeedyG | hey guys, anyone that can help me with this problem: http://pastebin.ca/247403 |
| 13:26.46 | DaBlade | dutche-: I do, but I forgot its name... hold a few minutes |
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| 13:27.26 | dutche- | DaBlade, sure :D |
| 13:27.51 | DaBlade | Shite...I can't remember. |
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| 13:29.27 | hyphenex | Apt-get is poo, [connecting to ftp.no.debian.org(1.0.0.0)] |
| 13:29.36 | hyphenex | of cause it's not going to connect on 1.0.0.0 |
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| 13:30.03 | DaBlade | dutche-: Sorry man, I can't find it... |
| 13:30.17 | dutche- | DaBlade, no problem, tnx |
| 13:30.21 | SpeedyG | anyone an idea for my problem? |
| 13:30.22 | SpeedyG | :( |
| 13:30.38 | DaBlade | dutche-: Wait |
| 13:30.39 | Fox | hyphenex: what does 'host ftp.no.debian.org' tell you ? |
| 13:30.43 | DaBlade | I think maybe Avidemux can do it |
| 13:30.55 | DaBlade | *maybe* |
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| 13:31.50 | hyphenex | YAY!!! |
| 13:31.55 | hyphenex | My Girl friend just called |
| 13:32.16 | hyphenex | wish me a happy 18th Birthday at 12:20AM :P |
| 13:32.26 | hyphenex | I don't think my parents will be too happy with that :P |
| 13:32.30 | DaBlade | hyphenex: Happy birthday |
| 13:32.34 | hyphenex | Thanks :) |
| 13:32.41 | SpeedyG | parents are overrated, happy birthday hyphenex ;) |
| 13:32.52 | tralala | SpeedyG, yes, you cannot see mounted volumes like that over nfs. |
| 13:32.57 | hyphenex | Thanks :D |
| 13:33.03 | SpeedyG | tralala: how can I do that ? |
| 13:33.17 | hyphenex | Oahh, it's working after I pinged it first? |
| 13:33.21 | hyphenex | that's weird |
| 13:33.31 | SpeedyG | or just create a second share or somth? |
| 13:33.32 | tralala | SpeedyG, using the full path - /mnt/datadisk1/movies $ip(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
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| 13:34.13 | christianp | hi all |
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| 13:34.52 | christianp | can anyone help me in configuring dns in a ldap-samba server? i'm in trouble and can't solve the problem :( |
| 13:35.13 | hyphenex | First half an hour of being a man at 18 and I'm sitting on an IRC chat channel :P... Maybe I should get a beer and sit down on an IRC chat channel, then I'd feel more like a man :P |
| 13:35.41 | seth1248 | SpeedyG: Doesn't no_root_squash go in /etc/exports file of nfs server? |
| 13:35.55 | SpeedyG | tralala: and I should also manually mount the movies directory ? |
| 13:35.57 | SpeedyG | seth1248: it is |
| 13:36.03 | quitte | hyphenex: isn'T there a bar that's still open close to you? |
| 13:36.08 | DaBlade | hyphenex: If you think a beer will make you think you're a mand than I think you're still a kid. :P |
| 13:36.15 | DaBlade | *man and then* |
| 13:36.15 | DaBlade | lol |
| 13:36.45 | hyphenex | DaBlade, You sound like your a man... what do men do? |
| 13:36.59 | DaBlade | Erm... I'm 18 in like 20 days. :P |
| 13:37.12 | hyphenex | Happy Birthday for then :D |
| 13:37.16 | DaBlade | thanks |
| 13:37.17 | quitte | hyphenex: me never grow up |
| 13:37.20 | quitte | men |
| 13:37.28 | hyphenex | tehehe, yeah :P |
| 13:37.32 | DaBlade | quitte sounds like a woman. :) |
| 13:37.32 | hyphenex | I don't like beer anyway |
| 13:37.38 | hyphenex | Water all the way for me |
| 13:37.40 | quitte | DaBlade: no. |
| 13:37.42 | DaBlade | Me neither. Tastes like horse piss. |
| 13:37.59 | quitte | bah you never had horse piss |
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| 13:38.03 | SpeedyG | thanks tralala it works now :D |
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| 13:38.10 | tralala | SpeedyG: you're welcome |
| 13:38.17 | hyphenex | is apt-gets speed thing right? I've never got downloads that fast before? |
| 13:38.19 | DaBlade | quitte: True, but that's not the point. I meant it as an expression. |
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| 13:38.26 | DaBlade | But you knew that. :) |
| 13:39.07 | anilomkar | I want to access my Windows partitions for that i made changed to "/etc/fstab" file. When i am opening Places-->Computer then i am not able to find any drive in that but i can able to access my drive files through /media/hda1. Help me.. |
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| 13:39.30 | Octopuce | hi all |
| 13:39.38 | hyphenex | Why after installing Python2.5 does it ask me if I want to remove my Kernel image? |
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| 13:39.56 | Sypher | guys, someone know what might be a program that trough php would let me configure virtual mailboxes for some webdomains in my machine ? |
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| 13:40.18 | DaBlade | hyphenex: Dunno.. :/ |
| 13:40.22 | hyper | hiho, got a big problem: Someone is using my server for spamming and I can't find out what it exactely is... |
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| 13:40.28 | DaBlade | are you using stabl..erm...obsolete? :) |
| 13:40.38 | hyper | I notices that the apache user often executes the command spamassassin |
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| 13:41.51 | hyphenex | I'll just go no then |
| 13:41.52 | hyper | quitte: and what then? I think spamassassin is checking the bounced email |
| 13:41.53 | hyphenex | sounds bad |
| 13:42.15 | DaBlade | hyphenex: You could always try installing Python from scratch |
| 13:42.24 | quitte | hyper: my point is that running spamassassin has nothing to do with your machine sending spam |
| 13:42.33 | Sypher | hyper, how do you know someone is using you to send spam exactly? |
| 13:43.04 | hyper | Sypher: I know this because my ISP sent me a nice little email and because within 2 h there were 27k Emails reported on mailgraph |
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| 13:43.08 | hyphenex | DaBlade, The reason I chose Debian over Gentoo was so I could use Apt-Get and because #debian guys told me that it was easier to install packages using debian |
| 13:43.38 | Sypher | hyper, are you sure your server aint a open relay right now? |
| 13:43.48 | quitte | hyphenex: are you using aptitude? |
| 13:43.48 | hyper | quitte: I mentioned spamassassin only because I have in top never seen before the apache user issuing the command spamassassin |
| 13:43.56 | SpeedyG | hyphenex: any debian guy would probably tell you gentoo is less easy than debian :P |
| 13:44.00 | hyper | Sypher: I'm positive about not being an open relay |
| 13:44.04 | delire | hyphenex: i believe it is far easier too.. though don't you think the source of your reccommendation was a little biased? |
| 13:44.07 | DaBlade | hyphenex: It usually is |
| 13:44.12 | DaBlade | hyphenex: Except if you're using stable |
| 13:44.17 | DaBlade | Which really means "obsolete" |
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| 13:44.25 | DaBlade | I suggest you move to testing |
| 13:44.36 | quitte | tralala: fetch! |
| 13:44.39 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.51 | DaBlade | pngwn: why? |
| 13:44.53 | tralala | quitte, erm? |
| 13:45.11 | quitte | tralala: did you see what DaBlade just suggested? |
| 13:45.28 | tralala | quitte, no I'm ignoring him |
| 13:45.32 | DaBlade | lol |
| 13:45.45 | Sypher | hyper, then maybe a dynamic page that sends emails from your server has been exploited? |
| 13:46.08 | hyphenex | but I want Python :( and I want it easily like I was promiced |
| 13:46.08 | hyper | Sypher: http://www.phpfi.com/174162 |
| 13:46.09 | DaBlade | XF86 and kernel 2.4.x are proof of stable's age. |
| 13:46.33 | hyper | Sypher: I assume it's a .php script but how can I track it down |
| 13:46.59 | Sypher | grep mail *.php -R ? :) |
| 13:47.03 | Sypher | then check if those are secure ;) |
| 13:47.13 | cydork | hyphenex: which command are you running? can you paste the output in a paster? |
| 13:47.19 | hyper | Sypher: I dectivated mail function in the php.ini now.... |
| 13:47.21 | Sypher | hyper that's what i'd do, but im pretty noobish so im positive about being another way to do that ... |
| 13:47.22 | delire | DaBlade: stable ships with the option of using either a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. |
| 13:47.22 | hyphenex | wait, it's working now :) |
| 13:47.30 | hyphenex | what's a command line web browser? |
| 13:47.39 | cydork | hyphenex: w3m,links |
| 13:47.40 | delire | hyphenex: w3m |
| 13:47.41 | DaBlade | delire: But not xorg or xfree86 |
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| 13:47.54 | cydork | hyphenex: elinks is there too |
| 13:47.56 | DaBlade | Anyhow, I'm not in here to start a flamewar. It's just my personal opinion that sarge is obsolete. :) |
| 13:48.26 | hyper | root@t390:/var/www# grep mail *.php -R |
| 13:48.26 | hyper | grep: *.php: No such file or directory |
| 13:48.29 | cydork | !opinions |
| 13:48.29 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
| 13:48.32 | cydork | DaBlade: ^^ |
| 13:48.38 | DaBlade | lol |
| 13:48.38 | delire | DaBlade: stable is for servers. it's not intended as a modern Linux desktop. |
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| 13:49.07 | DaBlade | delire: I guess, but I assumed hyphenex was using a desktop... |
| 13:49.40 | hyphenex | I'm building a server |
| 13:49.55 | jelly-home | are there !assumptions ? |
| 13:49.56 | hyphenex | okies, now how do I say search for mySQL (don't know it's name) then install it? |
| 13:50.11 | jelly-home | !assumption |
| 13:50.11 | dpkg | i guess assumption is the mother of all fuckups |
| 13:50.13 | delire | DaBlade: the word 'obsolete' you used was foolish, given that the entire Debian developer community works toward making stable just that, stable. Testing and Unstable branches are merely contexts for testing. |
| 13:50.16 | sts | hello folks |
| 13:50.25 | DaBlade | delire: Okay, sorry. |
| 13:50.32 | delire | DaBlade: no big deal. |
| 13:50.35 | sts | can anyone please tell me what they did to mod_fastcgi in etch? |
| 13:50.36 | hyper | Sypher: that grep didn't do anything |
| 13:50.47 | Sypher | hyper, erh ... |
| 13:50.57 | sts | seems as they removed the module from the distribution... |
| 13:51.06 | cydork | sts: /msg dpkg info libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 13:51.42 | Sypher | hyper, correct one should be grep * mail -R in your www dir, should return all the files that have the word "mail" in them (so to know where are all the mailing fnuctions) |
| 13:51.43 | cydork | jelly-home: physicist will not agree with that factoid :P |
| 13:51.58 | Sypher | hyper, with that list you can check if those files are secure or possibly exploited imho. |
| 13:52.03 | hyphenex | apt-cache search mysql turns up heaps |
| 13:52.10 | hyphenex | and apt-get install mysql does not work :( |
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| 13:52.21 | cydork | hyphenex: try mysql-server |
| 13:52.23 | hyper | there's tons of them |
| 13:52.37 | StarWars | Hi i try to install java and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/247418 |
| 13:52.40 | tralala | actually !assumptions makes a pretty interesting read |
| 13:52.58 | hyphenex | how do I stop this annoying 1.0.0.0 thing??? |
| 13:53.02 | hyper | Sypher: thx |
| 13:53.11 | hyphenex | so I don't have to ping the server before running apt-get?? |
| 13:54.55 | cydork | StarWars: borked sources you have :P |
| 13:55.25 | StarWars | cydork what i must do ? |
| 13:56.09 | cydork | StarWars: follow the source? do a apt-get update and check if you have those packages.. |
| 13:56.11 | hyphenex | cydork, That worked fine thanks :) |
| 13:56.20 | cydork | StarWars: May the force be with you :) |
| 13:56.30 | PupenoR | Who should be able to query my server for these zones: ., localhost, 127.in-addr.arpa, 0.in-addr.arpa, 255.in-addr.arpa ? |
| 13:56.32 | tralala | force/source |
| 13:56.54 | cydork | tralala: ya source :P |
| 13:57.07 | tralala | ;) |
| 13:58.03 | hyphenex | I love apt-get |
| 13:58.07 | hyphenex | I don't think it's right though |
| 13:58.22 | hyphenex | 120MB on a 512 connection in 8 minutes? |
| 13:58.26 | SpeedyG | is it possible to change the scroll-wheel speed? like in windows where you can set 3/5/x lines at a time ? (and if so, how? :) ) |
| 13:58.46 | hyphenex | SpeedyG, Not speedy enough for you hey? |
| 13:58.58 | SpeedyG | hahah ;) Nope :p |
| 13:59.05 | hyphenex | SpeedyG, Maybe there's something in xset, man that?? |
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| 13:59.36 | hyphenex | SpeedyG, I know xset can change cursor speed and what now, might do the trick? |
| 13:59.37 | StarWars | cydork apt-cache search sun-java5 i have the packages |
| 13:59.43 | hyphenex | what-not* |
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| 14:00.08 | cydork | StarWars: what happens if you try to install them now? |
| 14:00.14 | StarWars | after i apt-get update i earch sun-java5 and i have the packages |
| 14:00.38 | StarWars | the same error |
| 14:01.23 | Malagmyr | Is there any way I could redirect requests to a specific samba share to another server, perhaps through forwarding with iptables? |
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| 14:02.24 | hyphenex | Malagmyr, How does forwarding with iptables work, and does it need any resetting of anything after a configuation file has changed? |
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| 14:03.11 | Malagmyr | hyphenex: huh? |
| 14:03.12 | cydork | StarWars: check the versions which are availabel? |
| 14:03.39 | StarWars | where |
| 14:04.01 | hyphenex | Malagmyr, My router uses them, and the web interface is crap, just trying to learn a bit :) |
| 14:04.14 | StarWars | 1.5.0-08-1 |
| 14:04.30 | tralala | Malagmyr, if there is a way it definetely won't be iptables related |
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| 14:06.00 | hyphenex | how do I start services? |
| 14:06.13 | hyphenex | I only know the old rcwebmin start sort of thing :P |
| 14:06.18 | hyphenex | for Suse |
| 14:06.21 | hyphenex | Convert me :) |
| 14:06.26 | navaladi_ | hi frnds..I have problem with my apache server..I have configured it properly when i browser it from the externel world It asks for DSL Router Passwd |
| 14:06.34 | navaladi_ | What is going wrong? |
| 14:06.46 | hyphenex | navaladi_, Check your DSL router configuration |
| 14:07.03 | SpeedyG | it probably has remote-admin-stuff enabled (the router) |
| 14:07.09 | navaladi_ | hyphenex - No it is not in my Hand..it is part of ISP |
| 14:07.16 | Fox | the router is configured to answer requests on his WAN ip address |
| 14:08.06 | tralala | navaladi_, the skills of your net admin suck |
| 14:08.27 | navaladi_ | tralala - dude..Check this Ip http://125.22.96.205/ |
| 14:08.33 | navaladi_ | does that working well.. |
| 14:08.38 | navaladi_ | is that is mine |
| 14:08.48 | SpeedyG | shows nothing |
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| 14:09.01 | SpeedyG | so I guess it works well ;) |
| 14:09.06 | navaladi_ | good that is empty index.html |
| 14:09.11 | navaladi_ | so it works |
| 14:09.13 | SpeedyG | yep :) |
| 14:09.27 | navaladi_ | SpeedyG - wait i have problem.. |
| 14:09.29 | hyphenex | navaladi_, Some routers will treat external IP calls through through the loopback adapter, thus your seeing the router configuration page, but the world sees it forwarded |
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| 14:09.42 | hyphenex | navaladi_, Look at it through a web proxy site for accurate results |
| 14:10.10 | navaladi_ | hyphenex- i don't get dude |
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| 14:10.28 | hyphenex | I'm not good at explaining, someone? |
| 14:10.39 | navaladi_ | When i browser my system from the outside world I got DSL passwd |
| 14:10.57 | navaladi_ | Because I browsed Inside of Proxy server |
| 14:11.00 | navaladi_ | is that matters |
| 14:11.06 | hyphenex | navaladi_, Are you really browsing from outside world, or inside your LAN with your world IP?? |
| 14:11.17 | hyphenex | just using your external IP address won't cut it |
| 14:11.39 | navaladi_ | No i went my Univ & checked |
| 14:11.52 | hyphenex | interesting... well, I'm out of ideas |
| 14:11.57 | hyphenex | check your routers configuration |
| 14:11.59 | navaladi_ | but u r telling that it is working That means it is not asking passwd |
| 14:12.22 | cydork | StarWars: what happens if you install them first and the install the jdk? |
| 14:12.23 | SpeedyG | its not asking for a password |
| 14:12.23 | navaladi_ | dude how can i get the ISP router config file? |
| 14:12.48 | SpeedyG | navaladi_: go to www.megaproxy.com and click the 'try it for free' button.. then check your own server-address with it |
| 14:13.13 | navaladi_ | SpeedyG - ok |
| 14:13.40 | navaladi_ | SpeedyG - It aks password when i browser in my University because Univ has proxy server Inside |
| 14:14.05 | SpeedyG | well it doesnt ask for a password here |
| 14:14.24 | hyphenex | How do I start the mySQL server once it's installed? |
| 14:14.33 | SpeedyG | hyphenex: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 14:15.17 | navaladi_ | SpeedyG - what is the use of megaproxy.com |
| 14:15.23 | cyzie | what are the avaiable tools/IDE to edit xml ? |
| 14:15.24 | hyphenex | ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!!! (does that mean a 400MB partition wasn't enough space??) |
| 14:15.47 | SpeedyG | navaladi_: using a proxy outside your own network to connect to the server |
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| 14:15.58 | SpeedyG | hyphenex: euhm.. no? |
| 14:16.03 | petemc | hyphenex: that really depends if you plan on using more than 400 meg of database files |
| 14:16.19 | hyphenex | Ha, well, I can't even start SQL :P |
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| 14:17.01 | hyphenex | how do I check my space usage? |
| 14:17.07 | SpeedyG | df -h |
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| 14:17.37 | ringo999 | anyone here running debian with parallels on macosx? |
| 14:17.45 | hyphenex | 205k avaliable... yeah, I think I need to re-install and give it more then 400MB this time |
| 14:17.57 | hyphenex | ringo999, Sorry, nope |
| 14:18.01 | hyphenex | should work though I think |
| 14:18.45 | navaladi_ | SpeedyG - right now i m in home, so it may not work if i go to univ tomorrow, So does megaproxy.com will solve my problem? |
| 14:18.51 | tralala | ringo999: /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:19.00 | bwlang | been a while since I wanted to fool around with an -rc kernel (pre git) ... but i do now - I'm seeing rejects and already applied patches when i apply 19-rc5 to 2.6.18.2 - what is the 19-rc5 diff generated against? |
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| 14:19.33 | ringo999 | well, it works, im trying to get it to run in full resolution on a macbook though... probably not a debian specific problem |
| 14:20.00 | SpeedyG | navaladi_: you can see megaproxy.com as some kind of remote computer, which helps you to check if your server is reachable from outside your private network |
| 14:20.04 | hyphenex | I just ran 'cat /dev/null >> /dev/sda' |
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| 14:20.30 | hyphenex | and it did nothing |
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| 14:23.33 | hyphenex | shreded debian install |
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| 14:23.37 | hyphenex | I'm going to try again tommorow |
| 14:23.40 | hyphenex | Thanks for your help guys |
| 14:23.48 | hyphenex | now to get 3 hours of sleep in my Birthday :) |
| 14:24.21 | hyphenex | Nighty night all |
| 14:24.28 | SpeedyG | g'night hyphenex |
| 14:24.39 | hyphenex | It's my Birthday morning sleep |
| 14:24.42 | hyphenex | I'm sure it'll be good :) |
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| 14:25.36 | M0ffe | What's keeping iceweasel 2.0 out of unstable? Just a long development time? Firefox 2.0 was released 20 days ago... |
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| 14:27.23 | vaq | Hello, i have a command that asks a questions, if it possible to pre-write the command, somehow with pipe? how does it works echo "bla" and then what? |
| 14:27.32 | DaBlade | Does anyone know what time in GMT+1 PST is? |
| 14:27.39 | vaq | is it* |
| 14:27.41 | DaBlade | I mean, 9:30 AM PST? |
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| 14:28.19 | abrotman | M0ffe: it's not done yet? |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | !date |
| 14:28.26 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.11.13 14:28:26 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 14:28.29 | vaq | anybody? |
| 14:28.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | does anyone have an good and clear manual how to set up cups+samba, and maybe the pdf printing? |
| 14:28.55 | DaBlade | abrotman: Erm... that's UTC, not PST. |
| 14:29.28 | DaBlade | I need to know what time it is in PST, or what time in GMT+1 (european time) 09.30 PST is |
| 14:30.22 | SlayerXP | DaBlade: is using google illegal where you are? |
| 14:30.27 | M0ffe | abrotman: I was just curious if I missed some discussion or it was just in development still... |
| 14:30.35 | DaBlade | SlayerXP: lol |
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| 14:30.42 | M0ffe | But I guess it's just taking time, then. |
| 14:30.44 | DaBlade | SlayerXP: I didn't feel like going through dozens of pages. |
| 14:30.45 | sts | HELP! my files in /etc/apache2/mod-availiable/ are all empty!!! |
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| 14:30.59 | sts | how can i restore them? |
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| 14:31.57 | sts | well most of them, some are still available others show 0 in the size... |
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| 14:34.03 | RubenGA | Hi, using xterm it's possible to use a 'underscore' cursor? |
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| 14:36.03 | klikklak | hi, I'm testing beryl and because of this i'm in gnome: how do I set focus-on-mouse? |
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| 14:37.14 | petemc | beryl and emerald wm should have menus to configure them, tho the menu items are in some cases unfathomable |
| 14:37.48 | klikklak | oh, it's inside emerald's configs. They're pretty big though |
| 14:37.50 | abrotman | DaBlade: Pacific ? |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | M0ffe: still being worked on |
| 14:38.09 | abrotman | DaBlade: as in .. California ? |
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| 14:39.22 | blondie | kingsley: Desktop menu -> Preferences -> Windows |
| 14:39.29 | blondie | erm |
| 14:39.31 | blondie | klikklak: ^ |
| 14:39.37 | blondie | kingsley: please ignore |
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| 14:39.47 | M0ffe | abrotman: Ok, thanks - I'll just hope it is RSN then ;) |
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| 14:40.42 | triplc | !icedove |
| 14:40.42 | dpkg | icedove is, like, due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
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| 14:40.52 | klikklak | blondie: thanks, it just complains from there that beryl hasn't announced a config tool, so I'll just have to try to find it from beryl manager |
| 14:40.54 | triplc | !iceweasel |
| 14:40.55 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | that doesn't help say where the package is in terms of preparation |
| 14:41.16 | Malagmyr | Can I somehow combine all my shares on a single server? I have 2 machines, both running samba. I want 1 machine to display both their shares, like, if you access the share "test" on machine A, it will simply relay what's on share "test2", which is really a share on machine B |
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| 14:42.18 | abrotman | mount B's shares over NFS and then share them via samba ? |
| 14:42.25 | abrotman | which sounds ... messy to say the least |
| 14:42.26 | petemc | weee |
| 14:42.35 | abrotman | or mount the samba shares on the first and then share those |
| 14:43.01 | M0ffe | abrotman: I assume that Mike Hommey and Eric Dorland was developing iceweasel as well as they did firefox, but I think I'll just wait patiently |
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| 14:43.36 | triplc | !enigmail |
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| 14:50.44 | PupenoR | What do I have to do to be able to load new Linux modules that has just been installed (from sources) ? probably regenaret some mod-something.conf, right ? |
| 14:51.07 | dondelelcaro | PupenoR: just modprobe them |
| 14:51.15 | quitte | PupenoR: depmod -a |
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| 14:53.34 | sts | when i reinstall apache2.2-common with a blank /etc/apache2 directory it just creates an empty etc/apache2/mods-aviable directory. any ideas?! |
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| 14:53.50 | sts | reinstall ... like apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common |
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| 14:55.18 | sts | folks please help me! how can i get the configuration files back? |
| 14:55.41 | sts | it just creates the directories without any files! |
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| 14:55.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell sts -about confmiss |
| 14:55.59 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 14:56.05 | DevilChaos | !xorg |
| 14:56.05 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 14:56.58 | DevilChaos | im soooo pissed off right now i could smash my laptop into itty bitty pieces |
| 14:57.31 | DevilChaos | how does synaptics mesh with the xserver in debian? |
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| 14:59.11 | dondelelcaro | DevilChaos: it's just a client; it has nothing to do with the X server |
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| 15:02.30 | Flimzy_ | Does anyone here have experience using qmail? I'm bothered by its apparant lack of specific license to tell me it's legal to use in my specific situation... should this bother me? hehe |
| 15:03.07 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy_: better off not using it |
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| 15:03.24 | datrus | hello |
| 15:03.33 | Flimzy_ | dondelelcaro: That's what I'm thinking, based on the (very little) info I found. We're using it in a commercialy modified-and-redistributed package. |
| 15:03.49 | Flimzy_ | dondelelcaro: Which seems to violate the one "licensing" restriction I've been able to find. |
| 15:03.51 | dondelelcaro | well, that won't work, unless you're distributing the source. |
| 15:03.59 | Flimzy_ | We are distributing the source. |
| 15:04.05 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy_: and only the source? |
| 15:04.13 | Flimzy_ | No. The source and binaries. |
| 15:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Can't do that. |
| 15:04.24 | Flimzy_ | heh |
| 15:04.25 | Flimzy_ | cool |
| 15:04.27 | Flimzy_ | I hated qmail anyway |
| 15:04.37 | Flimzy_ | hopefully I can convince my boss to drop it in favor of something else. |
| 15:04.51 | dondelelcaro | yeah; if your legal department thinks it's kosher, you need to find new counsel. |
| 15:04.51 | Brushy | one of my teachers typoed Hotmail today |
| 15:05.01 | Brushy | She wrote "Hotmale.com" |
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| 15:05.07 | Flimzy_ | I don't think our legal dept has done anything with it. |
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| 15:05.27 | Brushy | and started nagging that I directed her to gayporn site |
| 15:05.28 | tralala | Brushy, probably she's lonely |
| 15:06.01 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy_: well... time to clue the boss in that checking with legal before distributing anything is the way you keep your job. |
| 15:06.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:06.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:06.20 | dondelelcaro | (unless your boss has no boss, in which case, it's how you keep your company afloat.) |
| 15:06.28 | Flimzy_ | dondelelcaro: aye |
| 15:06.45 | Flimzy_ | dondelelcaro: Myself, and 2 other guys, have inherited a poorly designed piece of software built on OSS |
| 15:06.59 | Flimzy_ | Which hasn't gone thru proper legal channels at all yet, AFAIK |
| 15:07.05 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
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| 15:07.25 | dondelelcaro | yeah; time to audit it, ditch as much of the custom stuff as possible, and get all of the licenses vetted. |
| 15:07.32 | dondelelcaro | anyway, good luck with that. |
| 15:07.46 | Flimzy_ | so the question becomes: which MTA to use? :) |
| 15:08.26 | DevilChaos | dondelelcaro: so do i have to configure that manully? |
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| 15:14.30 | br1_ | Flimzy_: You could take a look at http://lwn.net/Articles/196902/, and part one of that series .. postfix is my thing, though .. |
| 15:15.19 | Flimzy_ | brl_: Postfix is a favorite of mine, as well. But "It's my favorite" probably isn't a good argument to use for my boss. Then again, that's probably how qmail got chosen last time... hehe |
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| 15:16.03 | marzian | whats the latest debian kernal? |
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| 15:17.03 | cydork | marzian: in which version of debian? |
| 15:17.05 | sohmestra | marzian: 2.6.17, in testing |
| 15:17.05 | Flimzy_ | brl_: Our main concern will be performance, though... but then I suspect postfix will probably do pretty good in that department anyway. |
| 15:17.28 | sohmestra | marzian: 2.6.8, in sarge |
| 15:17.46 | DevilChaos | is there a walk through for configureing xorg with debian if so please give url? |
| 15:17.47 | sohmestra | marzian: 2.6.18, in unstable, i think.\ |
| 15:17.48 | quitte | bah. i lost my keys and now cant leave the house. im locked out from real life |
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| 15:18.08 | DevilChaos | ive already googled and not much info there |
| 15:18.30 | marzian | how high does the SVGA resolution go? |
| 15:18.51 | Braindead | !drx DevilChaos |
| 15:18.57 | Braindead | !drxxx |
| 15:19.00 | Braindead | !drxx |
| 15:19.00 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 15:19.08 | tralala | !fix Braindead |
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| 15:19.26 | DevilChaos | !xmd5 |
| 15:19.26 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 15:19.28 | marzian | !fix Braindead |
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| 15:20.21 | d0uglas | Holy moly Debian rulz. |
| 15:20.24 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.25 | xjkx | mount: block device /dev/sda is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 15:20.32 | xjkx | its my mp3player, i want write permission. |
| 15:21.31 | nvz | xjkx: does it use flash cards? |
| 15:21.48 | xjkx | its a pendrive also, i believe it uses |
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| 15:22.07 | nvz | xjkx: some flash media has a write protect switch on it |
| 15:22.20 | xjkx | you mean like a botton? |
| 15:22.30 | xjkx | button |
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| 15:22.39 | nvz | xjkx: write-protect is different than read-only read-only can be set by software write-protect is hardware |
| 15:22.50 | xjkx | mm gonna check |
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| 15:33.06 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 15:33.07 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
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| 15:34.03 | DevilChaos | does synaptics have to be specified in xorg.conf file? |
| 15:34.16 | DamianFinol | Hello, I have Debian Sarge and MySQL recently started to die for no reason, this is what syslog says: http://pastebin.ca/247477 |
| 15:34.18 | DamianFinol | Any ideas? |
| 15:35.04 | DevilChaos | ive got fglrx module compiled and installed in the kernel via module assistant and using fglrx driver for my ati gfx card |
| 15:35.12 | DevilChaos | im close i know it |
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| 15:35.22 | DevilChaos | I WILL SUCCEED! |
| 15:35.26 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 15:36.09 | DevilChaos | server error could not open defauklt font fixed what ever that means |
| 15:36.15 | cydork | DamianFinol: check if '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists.. |
| 15:36.18 | cydork | !fixed |
| 15:36.19 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 15:36.28 | cydork | DevilChaos: ^^ |
| 15:36.29 | DamianFinol | cydork, It doesn't |
| 15:36.36 | DevilChaos | sweet |
| 15:36.40 | cydork | DamianFinol: that's the prob.. |
| 15:36.41 | DamianFinol | ./var/run/mysqld is empty |
| 15:36.50 | abchirk | !ops spam on join [B]ebish1 |
| 15:36.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: spam on join [B]ebish1 |
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| 15:37.39 | DamianFinol | cydork, Ok, I just 'touch msqld.sock' and then tried starting mysql |
| 15:37.40 | DamianFinol | Nothing. |
| 15:37.44 | DamianFinol | it says failed. |
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| 15:38.29 | DevilChaos | ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh guess whos got a new xserver running thanks very very much |
| 15:38.35 | DevilChaos | ;/) |
| 15:38.44 | DevilChaos | he he |
| 15:38.45 | cydork | DamianFinol: it's a socket file |
| 15:38.57 | DevilChaos | thaks |
| 15:39.01 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 15:39.01 | cydork | DamianFinol: you cant create it like that. |
| 15:39.02 | DamianFinol | Yea my point exactly, why is it not creating one? |
| 15:39.12 | stew | abrotman: did you get spammed? |
| 15:39.13 | DamianFinol | the folder permissions are correct. |
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| 15:39.20 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.34 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 15:40.03 | DevilChaos | bbl |
| 15:41.03 | abchirk | stew did you got spam too? |
| 15:41.08 | stew | abchirk: Notorious |
| 15:41.10 | stew | err |
| 15:41.10 | stew | no |
| 15:41.17 | abrotman | stew: nerp |
| 15:41.22 | abchirk | hm |
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| 15:41.38 | abrotman | i don't feel loved |
| 15:41.38 | abchirk | me again |
| 15:41.40 | stew | [B]ebish1: ping |
| 15:41.42 | abchirk | !beer abrotman |
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| 15:41.50 | abrotman | nerp |
| 15:41.56 | abchirk | hm |
| 15:41.57 | abrotman | abchirk: and you're registered right ? |
| 15:42.08 | abchirk | yes |
| 15:42.09 | cydork | i dont ever get spammed :P |
| 15:42.20 | abchirk | maybe he spams only "abc*" ? |
| 15:42.50 | crookshanks | any debian user ever had this problem with gdb where it will only display this message when trying to debug a program: "Failed to read a valid object file image from memory" ? |
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| 15:43.05 | crookshanks | it worked on friday with no problems, now it doesn't |
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| 15:43.25 | abchirk | hm |
| 15:43.41 | abchirk | maybe he doesnt like me :( |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | did your alter ego get it too ? |
| 15:43.58 | abchirk | yap |
| 15:44.00 | abrotman | abchirk: what's the content of the spam ? |
| 15:44.02 | jelly-home | crookshanks: which architecture? |
| 15:44.05 | abchirk | porn |
| 15:44.12 | abchirk | free porn videos |
| 15:44.17 | abrotman | okay :) |
| 15:44.23 | jelly-home | !list |
| 15:44.23 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jelly-home |
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| 15:44.40 | crookshanks | jelly-home: x86 |
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| 15:44.55 | abchirk | [-NoX-] did you got spam? |
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| 15:45.11 | d0uglas | spam==underrated |
| 15:45.12 | d0uglas | j/k |
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| 15:45.25 | crookshanks | jelly-home: any ideas? |
| 15:45.31 | jelly-home | crookshanks: i have no idea. are you trying to attach to an existing process? |
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| 15:45.36 | crookshanks | jelly-home: nope |
| 15:45.44 | [-NoX-] | it seems i didn't, abchirk |
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| 15:45.56 | [-NoX-] | why ? |
| 15:46.07 | abrotman | abchirk: some of the spam bots really suck and only spam the upper part of the alphabet |
| 15:46.13 | abchirk | hm because only me gets spam from beblish which is banned now |
| 15:46.23 | abchirk | yeah but you got "ab*" too |
| 15:46.44 | crookshanks | jelly-home: i have no idea what's changed since friday, it worked then |
| 15:46.54 | cydork | crookshanks: which kernel? |
| 15:47.05 | jelly-home | crookshanks: I blame memory fragmentation! :-) |
| 15:47.09 | crookshanks | cydork: 2.6.18.1 |
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| 15:47.34 | crookshanks | cydork: my kernel is custom, not from apt |
| 15:48.00 | cydork | crookshanks: do you have another kernel installed? |
| 15:48.34 | moshii | does anyone know how to turn on bsdsocket.library emulation in the uae that ships in debian? |
| 15:48.36 | crookshanks | cydork: yes, think i should reboot and try gdb again? |
| 15:49.05 | crookshanks | with the other kernel that is |
| 15:49.33 | jelly-home | crookshanks: with the same kernel, even! |
| 15:49.40 | cydork | crookshanks: i think so, if any one else has any other suggestion .. |
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| 15:49.55 | crookshanks | jelly-home: i tried rebooting already with this kernel, no dice |
| 15:50.07 | jelly-home | crookshanks: then if tomorrow it doesn't work again, it's the kernel (or the new kernel exposes some other bug somewhere) |
| 15:50.36 | jelly-home | hooray for no stable kernels |
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| 15:50.56 | crookshanks | OK, i'll try to mess around with my kernel to see if it makes a difference |
| 15:50.57 | crookshanks | thanks guys |
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| 15:51.06 | Braindead | hooray for homemade rolled-up kernels we can't know anything about |
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| 15:51.19 | crookshanks | Braindead: :P |
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| 15:51.40 | elias_ | something totally different: what might ATD mean in a statistic? |
| 15:52.49 | cydork | !dbugs #397020 |
| 15:52.53 | dpkg | DONE:#397020:I[libc6] iconvconfig segfault; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:33:01 UTC |
| 15:53.22 | cydork | oh nm |
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| 15:58.41 | jelly-home | elias_: google says, Le pourcentage du revenu annuel brut total requis pour supporter les mensualités attribuables au logement ainsi qu'aux autres dettes, comme le remboursement du prêt-automobile. www.plandemaison.net/lexique_maison.php |
| 15:59.02 | jelly-home | elias_: pourcentage sounds remotely statistical :-) |
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| 16:00.43 | crookshanks | yep, bad kernel |
| 16:00.57 | toad_ | [Mon Nov 13 15:59:28 2006] [alert] [client 192.168.1.4] /home/evelyn/public_html/pharmacy/private/.htaccess: Invalid command 'AuthUserFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration, referer: http://www.pharmacy-wiltshire.co.uk/ |
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| 16:01.23 | toad_ | why is this happening? I have auth_* in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 16:02.05 | toad_ | none of them appear to actually load mod_auth.so for some reason, but they do load other mod_auth*.so's |
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| 16:03.37 | toad_ | anyone? |
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| 16:04.53 | toad_ | in fact, mod_auth.so doesn't exist in /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ |
| 16:05.24 | SpeedyG | hey guys, whats a good way to share a current used desktop other than vnc? |
| 16:05.42 | petemc | nx |
| 16:05.57 | petemc | !nx |
| 16:05.58 | dpkg | i heard nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 16:06.27 | SpeedyG | problem with NX is that it doesnt share the currently used desktop |
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| 16:06.44 | petemc | SpeedyG: oh, cant it be configured to do so? |
| 16:06.49 | toad_ | Compatibility:Available only in versions prior to 2.1 |
| 16:06.49 | petemc | vino and rfb should... |
| 16:06.50 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 16:06.54 | SpeedyG | not that I know of |
| 16:06.56 | toad_ | so how do i migrate my config then? |
| 16:07.16 | toad_ | my .htaccess ? |
| 16:07.21 | SpeedyG | petemc: i've been fiddling quite a bit with nx |
| 16:07.35 | SpeedyG | but it doesnt share the current session but instead starts a new X session |
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| 16:07.58 | SpeedyG | i'm using vino now combined with vnc, but performance sucks on this |
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| 16:08.34 | SpeedyG | it has a huge lag.. even tho its on a local lan |
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| 16:09.45 | abrotman | trying to lookup your IP maybe ? |
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| 16:14.53 | SpeedyG | abrotman: was that a remark related to my issue? |
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| 16:16.18 | fourat | wich application does the hardware autoconfiguring at boot ? |
| 16:18.05 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: check out x11vnc, it's a vnc server that binds to running X |
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| 16:19.38 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: yeah, I know that.. but the entire performance of vnc just sucks bigtime |
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| 16:21.19 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: agreed. Windows' RDP is _very_ nice compared to vnc, probably even better than remote X. |
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| 16:22.49 | abrotman | SpeedyG: i only caught the tail end of it |
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| 16:23.33 | SpeedyG | crap :( tried to reboot back into windows, but my machine doesnt come up anymore :/ |
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| 16:25.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:25.15 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 16:29.07 | oj | heloooooo |
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| 16:29.46 | Brushy | Hell o |
| 16:30.12 | oj | hi brushy |
| 16:30.12 | oj | i;m isaac |
| 16:30.26 | azeem | oj: do you have a Debian question? |
| 16:30.33 | oj | n u |
| 16:30.33 | oj | plz |
| 16:30.33 | oj | hurry |
| 16:30.33 | oj | b;cos ma time is up |
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| 16:31.00 | petemc | self fulfilling prophecy |
| 16:31.03 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 16:31.15 | SpeedyG | bla, bla, bla *kicked by debhelper* |
| 16:31.16 | SpeedyG | \o/ |
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| 16:33.12 | cydork | !lol |
| 16:33.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 16:33.27 | petemc | i find that factoid annoying |
| 16:33.41 | petemc | i dont use it, but lol seems a perfectly fine way to express laughter |
| 16:33.53 | cydork | petemc: what's wrong with hehe ? |
| 16:34.00 | petemc | its girlish |
| 16:34.06 | cydork | petemc: :-o |
| 16:34.08 | nvz | not really |
| 16:34.18 | nvz | lol is gramatically incorrect |
| 16:34.24 | petemc | ... |
| 16:34.31 | petemc | its an acronym |
| 16:34.38 | nvz | yeah /me lol would make sense |
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| 16:35.12 | nvz | lol is like speaking in the 3rd person without referring to anyone |
| 16:35.14 | SlayerXP | the things that annoys me most about 'lol' is that it's usually a lie |
| 16:35.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:35.50 | fasta | How can I bind F2 to a command? |
| 16:36.03 | Kerr | kekeke is better than lol. |
| 16:36.06 | nvz | fasta: in X? |
| 16:36.13 | fasta | nvz: yes |
| 16:36.24 | xingu | the thing that disturbs me most about lol is that it reminds me that whoever uttered it is probably 14-23 and sitting around in shorts |
| 16:36.40 | xingu | I really don't want to think about what someone on IRC is doing on the physical plane |
| 16:36.47 | xingu | ... I really don't. |
| 16:36.47 | nvz | fasta: well your wm might be able to do that, or xmodmap or a hotkey daemon.. in sawfish I would goto bindings and hit "grab" then press F2 and assign a command |
| 16:37.07 | fasta | nvz: I use Gnome, which uses metacity, IIRC |
| 16:37.16 | nvz | ew megashitty :P |
| 16:37.40 | nvz | that probably doesnt have bindings, gnome probably implements them some other way now that they ditched sawfish |
| 16:38.09 | fasta | nvz: doesn't xmodmap only "maps" keycombinations to other keys? |
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| 16:38.21 | fasta | nvz: i.e. not that it enables one to execute stuff? |
| 16:38.42 | xingu | there's always gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 16:38.47 | nvz | fasta: true. but you could use a hotkey daemon |
| 16:39.02 | fasta | nvz: name one |
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| 16:39.34 | nvz | hotkeys, xbindkeys |
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| 16:39.42 | cydork | fasta: desktop -> pref -> keyboard shortcuts :P |
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| 16:39.47 | fasta | xingu: that doesn't bind arbitrary commands. |
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| 16:40.04 | xingu | true, but that isn't the gnome way. :) |
| 16:40.09 | fasta | cydork: see answer to xingu |
| 16:40.14 | d0uglas | xingu: I kiss you! |
| 16:40.21 | fasta | xingu: the gnome way stinks sometimes. |
| 16:40.49 | cydork | eww! |
| 16:41.05 | cydork | i hate gnome :) |
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| 16:41.40 | d0uglas | cydork: "Why would I want a desktop with a smelly foot on it?" -- /. troll |
| 16:41.44 | xingu | fasta: preaching to the choir, I can see why they're on the path they're on, but I'm an adult and able to make my own choices - or I wouldn't be using unix at all |
| 16:42.00 | xingu | fasta: the end game is a desktop that is kiosk-mode safe |
| 16:42.01 | SpeedyG | cydork: what would you like then? |
| 16:43.01 | xingu | fasta: is "hotkeys" any use to you? |
| 16:43.08 | cydork | SpeedyG: fluxbox :P |
| 16:43.09 | fasta | xingu: I tried the first in his list. |
| 16:43.18 | SpeedyG | cydork: nice choice :D |
| 16:43.51 | fasta | xingu: from the documentation hotkeys doesn't do anything with F* keys |
| 16:43.59 | plutonas | anyone here who knows about graph theory? |
| 16:44.02 | fasta | xingu: so that leaves xbindkeys |
| 16:44.22 | fasta | plutonas: I am sure there are people, but #math knows best. |
| 16:44.34 | plutonas | fasta: thx! |
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| 16:45.36 | xingu | fasta: if you're fortunate the f* keys will turn into input layer events by way of acpi hotkey.ko |
| 16:45.54 | xingu | fasta: if you're not... prepare for an interesting journey |
| 16:47.00 | arnme[N] | I have debian etch installed in my bux, when i try to run apt-get update i go this error "http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg: Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)" I didn't use any proxy setting both in my apt and in my synaptic, I searched it in google but I got nothing (after reading lots of results), please point me to right direction |
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| 16:47.32 | fasta | xingu: I already made it to work. |
| 16:47.40 | fasta | xingu: what where you talking about? |
| 16:47.41 | roger21 | how do i configure witch char are separators when selecting text by double-clicking in an xterm ? |
| 16:47.46 | fasta | nvz: xbindkeys did the trick |
| 16:47.55 | abrotman | roger21: man xterm ? |
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| 16:48.05 | fasta | nvz: hotkeys only configures the "special" keys on multimedia keyboards |
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| 16:48.50 | ezu5t | if I have a .so (shared object) library and I want to see what functions are defined in it, is there a tool to print just the function prototypes in a library file? |
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| 16:48.53 | xingu | fasta: hotkeys can be taught to trap any keysym |
| 16:48.58 | xingu | but whatever. |
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| 16:49.39 | cydork | ezu5t: objdump? |
| 16:49.46 | fasta | xingu: then the package description is not correct. |
| 16:49.49 | fasta | xingu: file a bug |
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| 16:51.17 | xingu | fasta: nb you can use gconf to create new gnome applications; then you can bind with gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 16:52.02 | ezu5t | thanks cydork |
| 16:53.56 | fasta | !nb |
| 16:53.56 | xingu | fasta: apps->metacity->keybinding_commands to create the metacity command->shell tool association, then apps->metacity->global_keybindings to bind a key to it |
| 16:53.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nb is Nota Bene |
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| 16:57.12 | HardDisk_WP | hello |
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| 16:57.22 | HardDisk_WP | is anyone experienced with setting up DANTED? |
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| 16:59.48 | yang2 | Hello ! I am trying to setxkbmap for vnc...but it won't let me - XKB extension not present on :2.0 |
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| 17:01.35 | lindenle|room | Hi i can mount two of my samba shares (ad auth) just fine but the third will only mount if i use it's ip address not with hostname. |
| 17:02.05 | arme[N] | ah, that was my fault, there was a proxy setting in my box, sorry for wasting your time |
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| 17:07.03 | ToxicSun | is etch 3.1 r3? |
| 17:07.04 | ToxicSun | !etch |
| 17:07.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 17:07.09 | jelly-home | ? |
| 17:07.18 | ToxicSun | me jelly-home? |
| 17:07.29 | jelly-home | ToxicSun: typo, sorry |
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| 17:07.51 | ToxicSun | no problem, im trying to get etch though, can you help me? |
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| 17:08.02 | ToxicSun | is it 3.1 r3? |
| 17:08.05 | rgsteele | Hey guys, anybody familiar with ldapvi? |
| 17:08.12 | cydork | ToxicSun: read the factoid |
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| 17:08.23 | jelly-home | ToxicSun: no, 3.1 is sarge (stable). |
| 17:08.26 | ToxicSun | ahh, missed that during the scan |
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| 17:10.03 | jelly-home | I'm using UTF-8 locally, and latin2 (iso-8859-2) on some remote servers. Is there some filter to reconcile the two, that is, convert my utf8 input to latin on the output and the opposite? |
| 17:10.04 | CharminTheMoose | how can i identify what type of keyboard my keyboard is? |
| 17:10.10 | abrotman | look at it |
| 17:10.14 | CharminTheMoose | i know it's qwerty |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | what else do you want to know ? |
| 17:10.43 | CharminTheMoose | so i can map a particular button to a character |
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| 17:12.52 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: now you left and you're never going to know the answer, bwahahaha! |
| 17:13.34 | xingu | jelly: no; your least-worst compromise is to enable 8859-2 locally as a secondary locale, and start your remote sessions in a terminal window with that locale |
| 17:14.02 | xingu | jelly: utf8 should be a superset of all latin 8859-*; is there a reason the remote can't promote to using it? |
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| 17:14.22 | jelly-home | xingu: I don't have control over the remotely installed locales. |
| 17:14.28 | xingu | that's what I figured |
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| 17:14.52 | xingu | so... make the change you can, and go the secondary local locale route |
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| 17:15.22 | Hadaka | my libapache2-mod-auth-pam and libapache2-mod-auth-sys-group modules broke during upgrade to unstable, what should I do to fix them? |
| 17:16.31 | jelly-home | xingu: right... that works. Thanks |
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| 17:18.35 | fasta | xingu: I can do "apps", but I don't have metacity in my menu then. |
| 17:20.02 | xingu | in configuration editor? |
| 17:20.17 | xingu | weird - it is here, once you expand apps |
| 17:20.32 | d0uglas | in which package is nslookup |
| 17:20.39 | pickcoder | dnsutils |
| 17:20.42 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 17:20.47 | xingu | d0uglas: wean yourself off it and learn dig |
| 17:20.53 | d0uglas | xingu: okay |
| 17:20.55 | xingu | d0uglas: nslookup is going bye bye |
| 17:20.57 | pickcoder | yes.. dig is better |
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| 17:21.05 | d0uglas | but i know some SET options :( |
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| 17:22.23 | disposable | where does gnome store user's settings apart from home directory? i had my desktop settings messed up, so i've ereased all .gconf*, .metacity, .gnome*, .gtk*, .nautilus, but it doesn't seem to be enough. i've even temporarily completely emptied my ~ just to be sure. |
| 17:23.37 | d0uglas | Jesus Tapdancing Christ I love screen, it rules. |
| 17:23.41 | HardDisk_WP | is anyone experienced with setting up DANTED? |
| 17:23.47 | d0uglas | How have I gone so long without it. |
| 17:23.51 | xingu | disposable: globals are inhereted from /etc/gconf when the desktop session is first seeded afaik |
| 17:23.55 | d0uglas | <-- was being rhetorical there |
| 17:24.44 | xingu | disposable: then stored by gsd in those directories you've already identified |
| 17:25.33 | valdyn | disposable: there isnt more than you listed, BUT gconfd-2 keeps running and rewriting the same old config that you deleted unless you manually kill that process |
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| 17:25.39 | xingu | yes, it can be a persistant little b... |
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| 17:26.36 | valdyn | disposable: so - logout of gnome, kill gconfd-2, remove config, log back in |
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| 17:27.27 | disposable | going to kill that little bitch!!! (Hans Reiser style baby!) |
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| 17:27.39 | xingu | too soon |
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| 17:31.43 | Zeeek | fwiw my madwifi is working now :) |
| 17:31.53 | Zeeek | thanks to those who helped |
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| 17:36.51 | bilss_ | hi |
| 17:37.18 | CBG | hey |
| 17:37.22 | disposable | valdyn, xingu: couldn't find any gconf* process running, so i rebooted. you were probably right. this time no faulty config files. |
| 17:37.24 | bilss_ | apache 2.2 still bugged up to the eyeballs on etch or what? |
| 17:37.49 | ToxicSun | if i right click an iso in gnome and tell it to burn it to disc, it wont burn a copy of the iso but rather the bootable cd i want, right? |
| 17:38.13 | muh2000 | hey all. i updated my 64bit installation from stable to testing... some stuff isnt working well -> that is why i want to reinstall the system. what do you recomend? shall i switch to 32bit testing or stay with 64bit testing ? |
| 17:38.37 | pickcoder | muh2000: what are you using the box for? |
| 17:38.51 | disposable | valdyn, xingu: i almost forgot - thank you. |
| 17:38.53 | valdyn | muh2000: what's the point of reinstalling? how should we know if 32-bit or 64-bit is the right thing for you |
| 17:38.58 | valdyn | disposable: welcome |
| 17:39.56 | xingu | de nada |
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| 17:40.54 | earthian | hello |
| 17:41.12 | muh2000 | pickcoder: file server mostly. samba, tftp, ftp, nfs, LTSP(terminal), DHCP, dyndns, LDAP, squid(proxy), and vmware for testing. and i am thinking about using that thing as a workstation |
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| 17:41.24 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.59 | quitte | force? |
| 17:42.20 | earthian | man reboot writes that it skips fsck |
| 17:42.23 | earthian | or so |
| 17:42.50 | muh2000 | valdyn hmm i am not a good linux user and i dont know if there are more bugs with 64 bit. or wheather one of these are more userfriendly... :) |
| 17:42.50 | earthian | could that problem be caused by hard disks? |
| 17:43.07 | tonyb2006 | muh2000: i use 64bit, if your just starting to use linux, go with 32bit. |
| 17:43.16 | valdyn | muh2000: you should use 32-bit if you dont know a valid technical reason to use 64-bit debian |
| 17:43.48 | earthian | the only valid technical reason to run 64bit debian is to have itanium processor :D |
| 17:43.52 | fasta | muh2000: from personal experience I can recommend you 32-bit Linux. |
| 17:43.53 | valdyn | muh2000: 32-bit is debugged a little better and 32-bit binary-only software is easier to get running |
| 17:43.54 | tonyb2006 | in my opinion 'it sounds cooler' is valid enough |
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| 17:44.13 | muh2000 | tonyb2006 using debian since 2001 or something... |
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| 17:44.59 | tonyb2006 | i use 64bit because i plan on having more then 4gb of ram eventually :D |
| 17:45.00 | earthian | well.. tbh if there are problems with programs on 64bit debian that is a problem of debian and not the user |
| 17:45.06 | valdyn | muh2000: common real life speed differences is hardly noticable |
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| 17:45.20 | earthian | because kernel IS x86_64 |
| 17:45.23 | valdyn | earthian: yea right |
| 17:45.24 | muh2000 | valdyn well i got a 64 bit processor (amd64) and only 32 bit would let the 64bit part unused :) |
| 17:45.39 | earthian | which should run x86 programs... dont it? |
| 17:45.39 | r0tu | I just re-compiled my kernel and when I reboot, it stops right after it lays out my memory table.. sais only 896MB will be used... But stops dead |
| 17:45.44 | r0tu | any ideas? |
| 17:45.48 | valdyn | earthian: because debian writes all that software that isnt 64-bit clean in obscure ways |
| 17:45.53 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 17:45.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little thermal paste, and a dozen sex-crazed oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:45.56 | muh2000 | oh and my harddisc are encrypted -> better with 64bit? there is an extra aes only for 64bit... :) |
| 17:46.01 | earthian | :/ |
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| 17:46.32 | HardDisk_WP | is anyone experienced with setting up DANTED? |
| 17:46.58 | tonyb2006 | dpkg: sure! i'll get the string. |
| 17:47.09 | valdyn | muh2000: maybe, you have to benchmark that to see, or google for a benchmark |
| 17:47.19 | anilomkar | how to import photos from digicam ? |
| 17:47.20 | earthian | anyway back to my problem: i can not exit linux and poweroff (restart) my computer. it just hangs when i do this. restart -f however works... what is causing that hang? any presumtions? |
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| 17:47.25 | muh2000 | i didnt have real problems with 64bit. i am not running any exotic projects or something so i think i could stay with 64 bit |
| 17:47.38 | valdyn | muh2000: right |
| 17:47.50 | tonyb2006 | i run a 32bit ff in 64bit for ff plugins :D |
| 17:48.01 | xingu | I don't think gcc lets you use the additional x86_64 general purpose registers on ia32 |
| 17:48.27 | webfreak | i just found some emails i sent to debian-devel in 1999 |
| 17:48.29 | webfreak | wow |
| 17:48.34 | moshii | there are plenty of 64bit archs.. |
| 17:48.43 | valdyn | xingu: it might, iirc there at least is a specific k8 optimising switch |
| 17:49.18 | r0tu | While booting... right at the start... it lists all my memory layout from BIOS, right after that it sais "896MB will not be used".... then the system just stops loading... this is right after re-compiling my kernel... does anyone know what could be the cause of this? |
| 17:49.19 | muh2000 | ok thank you all i will stay with 64 bit :) |
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| 17:49.25 | valdyn | moshii: true, but amd64 clearly leads popcon.. obviously |
| 17:49.45 | nvz | hmm they took scorched3d out of testing?! |
| 17:49.52 | myren | is there a package anyhwere for L7 packet filtering? |
| 17:49.55 | tonyb2006 | mmmm..popcorn |
| 17:50.11 | Eludias | Is Firefox2/iceweasel2 already in Debian unstable? If so, how is it named? |
| 17:50.16 | moshii | valdyn: popular != good ;) |
| 17:50.35 | valdyn | r0tu: bioses have an optional memory hole after 16MB ram, can switch that on or off.. |
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| 17:50.43 | fasta | If only there was an objective list of good software... |
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| 17:50.57 | valdyn | !info firefox sid |
| 17:51.02 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7799 kB, Installed size: 23716 kB |
| 17:51.16 | valdyn | Eludias: ^^^ |
| 17:51.18 | Eludias | !info iceweasel sid |
| 17:51.35 | tonyb2006 | firefox isnt as lightweight as they make it sound |
| 17:51.42 | valdyn | Eludias: the firefox will install iceweasel once that is in |
| 17:51.50 | valdyn | Eludias: the firefox package will install iceweasel once that is in |
| 17:51.52 | r0tu | valdyn: assuming that's in the BIOS settings... the only thing is that why does this kernel work (original) and not the new one.. if it's a BIOS issue |
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| 17:52.02 | muh2000 | firefox became really heavy... i consider switching to opera... |
| 17:52.05 | Eludias | ah, ok. Will patiently wait for that :) |
| 17:52.07 | webfreak | firefox is using 20% of my memory ;) |
| 17:52.13 | webfreak | that's hardly lightweight |
| 17:52.18 | valdyn | r0tu: no idea, i thought that message spawned before, not after kernel loaded |
| 17:53.04 | moshii | webfreak: try dillo |
| 17:53.20 | earthian | can somebody recommend me a good disk management (partitions/filesystems/checking) software for my debian? |
| 17:53.29 | webfreak | earthian: gparted |
| 17:53.30 | valdyn | webfreak: that's because its setup to use much memory to run faster, its your choice |
| 17:53.38 | r0tu | it may... (Not 100% with boot process for linux)... but that's still the case... either way.. I will reboot and check my BIOS for some settings.... though I'm not sure what I wouldl be looking for |
| 17:53.42 | webfreak | earthian: or if you meant checking, fsck |
| 17:53.42 | earthian | webfreak, gparted shows some errors :S |
| 17:53.44 | valdyn | webfreak: not sure how small you can get it though |
| 17:54.12 | webfreak | valdyn: i have a few plugins loaded |
| 17:54.25 | webfreak | not sure if that makes a difference |
| 17:54.43 | r0tu | guys: lightweight browser = lynx |
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| 17:54.49 | valdyn | webfreak: sure it does, plugins can take any amount of memory |
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| 17:54.56 | webfreak | r0tu: true |
| 17:54.59 | pale1 | ciao |
| 17:55.02 | pale1 | !list |
| 17:55.03 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to pale1 |
| 17:55.08 | webfreak | haha |
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| 17:55.20 | r0tu | valdyn: alright... brb diving in |
| 17:55.22 | valdyn | webfreak: the main factor with default setup though is the amount of ram you have in total |
| 17:55.38 | webfreak | valdyn: 512mb is never enough ;( |
| 17:56.41 | earthian | hey what does dumpe2fs? |
| 17:57.10 | sussudio | earthian: it makes flower arrangements |
| 17:57.11 | webfreak | man dumpe2fs |
| 17:57.12 | valdyn | webfreak: seems plenty for me |
| 17:57.24 | Pryon | it defecates on ext2 filesystems |
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| 17:57.47 | earthian | hm |
| 17:58.00 | xingu | valdyn: bit new to this myself, but initial read is that extra registers require REX prefix; at the very least - I'm guessing you'd want to be quite particular to save/restore context if you did this in a 32bit userland |
| 17:58.16 | webfreak | valdyn: it's fine really, i'm not complaining :) |
| 17:58.20 | earthian | gparted does not see partitions in my dmraid mapper device |
| 17:58.24 | webfreak | i can't afford anything better |
| 17:58.42 | earthian | well.. it sees but runs dumpe2fs on the entire hard disk and not partitions |
| 17:58.43 | xingu | valdyn: not sure exactly what kind of brown stuff would fly if you started mixing 32bit linuxthreaded userland, 32||64bit kernel, and REX prefix |
| 17:58.53 | earthian | which makes some errors of wrong/bad superblock or so |
| 17:59.09 | jelly-home | earthian: that's kinda bad |
| 17:59.16 | earthian | any way to fix that? :S |
| 17:59.51 | earthian | so gprated is not a tool for me :/ |
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| 17:59.53 | jelly-home | earthian: report a bug? |
| 17:59.57 | earthian | gparted* |
| 17:59.58 | earthian | hm |
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| 18:00.01 | earthian | good idea |
| 18:00.46 | ugly | in X, the "repeat" function of my keyboard isn't functioning - that is, when I hold down a key, it is only entered once - is there a way to reset it? if I restart X, it'll prob work, but I'd rather not :P |
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| 18:01.43 | xingu | ugly: what does "xset q" think about things? |
| 18:01.52 | valdyn | xingu: no idea myself, wikipedia claims to know:".... ncreased from eight (i.e. eax,ebx,ecx,edx,ebp,esp,esi,edi) in x86-32 to 16." |
| 18:02.11 | ugly | xingu: says auto repeat has been turned off somehow (I never touched that) |
| 18:02.17 | valdyn | xingu: uh nm, ignore that |
| 18:02.20 | xingu | valdyn: http://www.devx.com/amd/Article/16101 is what I'm looking at right now |
| 18:03.00 | ugly | xingu: I did 'xset r' - works now, thanks |
| 18:03.10 | xingu | valdyn: my guess would be that a given context would have to either be 32bit or REX+64bit; so mixing a 64bit binary and 32bit libc would be right out for instance |
| 18:03.12 | ugly | just wondering now how it happened |
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| 18:03.28 | xingu | ugly: cheers; probably solar flares and/or cosmic radiation |
| 18:03.33 | ugly | heh |
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| 18:04.07 | webfreak | xingu: dude... we've been talking about cosmic rays in class affecting digital circuits |
| 18:04.10 | webfreak | haha |
| 18:04.22 | fasta | webfreak: and did they? |
| 18:04.23 | webfreak | (jokingly) |
| 18:04.24 | fasta | ;) |
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| 18:04.42 | kml | hi, on boot it reports kernel super block unclean and could mount the raid5 /dev/md2 device after 3 attempt. any ideas how to resolve this? |
| 18:04.59 | xingu | webfreak: seriously, it's not all academic; we have sensitive gear across the planet at work, and when spaceweather says it's going to be a fun filled day - it is |
| 18:05.11 | xingu | webfreak: ECC memory really does work like it says on the in |
| 18:05.11 | lindenle|shift | his is nuts why can I ot connect to this one host by name only by ip? I keep getting failed to verify incoming ticket when using the hostname. But it works finr when i use ip. |
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| 18:05.17 | webfreak | xingu: heh, cool |
| 18:05.22 | xingu | s/ in/ tin/ |
| 18:06.16 | valdyn | xingu: yea, the diagram on your URL seems to be clear on that |
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| 18:09.10 | pickcoder | I feel lazy today |
| 18:10.22 | hologram | story of my life |
| 18:10.27 | hologram | cant seem to get moving |
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| 18:18.26 | nextstate2 | Everytime I try to remove mysql-server-5.0 I get this error: E: The package mysql-server-5.0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 18:19.08 | nextstate2 | Or I see this using dpkg: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 18:19.10 | nextstate2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.35 | nextstate2 | I try to reinstall and the install fails. |
| 18:19.50 | nextstate2 | Any ideas on how to remove the package? |
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| 18:21.05 | pickcoder | nextstate2: download the .deb and put it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:22.29 | nextstate2 | pickcoder: I have the .deb, so just copy over to /var/cache/apt/archives? Ok, that makes sense. |
| 18:22.41 | pickcoder | you can also try apt-get -d mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:22.48 | pickcoder | yeah, that's fine |
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| 18:23.15 | SpeedyG | anyone that can tell me where I can get the win32codecs for my debian amd64 etch install? |
| 18:23.38 | SpeedyG | and any ideas on a good dvd-iso burning program ? |
| 18:23.43 | tralala | SpeedyG, the win32codecs (emph 32) cannot run on amd64 |
| 18:23.56 | SpeedyG | crap :( |
| 18:23.57 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: cdrecord? |
| 18:24.08 | SpeedyG | any idea how I can play stuff like wmvs etc / |
| 18:24.15 | xingu | SpeedyG: just out of interest, what does "win32" imply to you? |
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| 18:25.06 | SpeedyG | xingu: 32bits.. |
| 18:25.07 | tralala | SpeedyG, you can install 32bit mplayer in 32bit chroot and put the win32codecs there |
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| 18:25.07 | nextstate2 | pickcoder: I tried apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 and it still gave me the same error. |
| 18:25.14 | SpeedyG | so that means setup a 32bit chroot, install 32bit mplayer, install win32codcs ? |
| 18:25.26 | tralala | SpeedyG, that's right |
| 18:25.31 | SpeedyG | hmz, too much of a hassle |
| 18:25.38 | tralala | I agree |
| 18:25.48 | SpeedyG | might as well setup vmware-stuff and run windows as virtual machine |
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| 18:26.06 | tralala | would that qualify as less hassle? |
| 18:26.23 | SpeedyG | probably, because I would also use it for some other stuff I miss currently in linux |
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| 18:26.31 | nextstate2 | My package db may be fubar. Is my only alternate to reinstall? |
| 18:26.41 | h3sp4wn | nextstate2: dpkg --force-help |
| 18:26.52 | h3sp4wn | nextstate2: (try the remove reinstreq option) |
| 18:27.01 | pickcoder | apt-get -d mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:27.09 | pickcoder | that will try to download the deb only |
| 18:27.11 | pickcoder | not install it |
| 18:27.15 | nextstate2 | h3sp4wn: I tried that and it failed miserably |
| 18:27.16 | pickcoder | then try apt-get install |
| 18:27.26 | pickcoder | something did not install completely |
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| 18:27.29 | tralala | SpeedyG, oh, under vmware you won't get (most likely) video acceleration for mplayer |
| 18:27.31 | adrakoa | hi |
| 18:27.37 | xingu | hmm, a market for a web services company maybe? use mime headers to specify encoding format and decoding capabilities and transcode on demand |
| 18:27.57 | SpeedyG | hmz, or perhaps just stick with windows for stuff like that :/ |
| 18:28.30 | pickcoder | or don't use Microsoft proprietary media formats |
| 18:29.02 | nextstate2 | I downloaded mysql-server-5.0_5.0.26-3.deb from some site to my debian sarge dev server. Along with other mysql 5 .debs. Then I did a dpkg --force-all -i *.deb. |
| 18:29.15 | nextstate2 | That may have fubar'd the db eh? |
| 18:29.25 | valdyn | nextstate2: no |
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| 18:29.49 | nextstate2 | that's good |
| 18:30.45 | nextstate2 | i've tried: sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends --force-remove-reinstreq mysql-server-5.0 and it failed also. |
| 18:31.14 | valdyn | nextstate2: didnt you get told to reinstall that package? |
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| 18:31.25 | nextstate2 | yes |
| 18:31.29 | pickcoder | apt-get install |
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| 18:31.37 | pickcoder | to finish the broken install |
| 18:31.41 | valdyn | nextstate2: do it, without the stupid force-depends shit |
| 18:31.44 | nextstate2 | I tried to apt-get install and I get errors there also |
| 18:31.46 | valdyn | nextstate2: do it, without the stupid force-all shit |
| 18:31.50 | cydork | !force-all |
| 18:31.50 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't use it. |
| 18:32.16 | cydork | aww that factoid used to say dont fucking use it :P |
| 18:32.28 | nextstate2 | yeah, I effed up there didn't i |
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| 18:32.56 | valdyn | dpkg, force-all =~ s/Don't use/Don't fucking use/ |
| 18:32.57 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 18:33.06 | kristalino | hi. I can only connect to my proftpd in active mode. Could anyone help me by chance ? |
| 18:33.41 | kristalino | i'm stuck with : ftp> ls |
| 18:33.41 | kristalino | 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,1,1,243,178)., then timeout |
| 18:33.46 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 18:33.46 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 18:33.49 | valdyn | kristalino: ^^^ |
| 18:33.51 | SpeedyG | is it wise to move a server from sarge -> sid/etch ? |
| 18:33.57 | valdyn | SpeedyG: no |
| 18:34.03 | SpeedyG | ok :) thought so |
| 18:34.03 | valdyn | SpeedyG: err sorry, NO!!! |
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| 18:34.09 | kristalino | valdyn, wrong answer. |
| 18:34.09 | nextstate2 | i tried sudo apt-get install and get this error again: The package mysql-server-5.0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 18:34.10 | SpeedyG | just wanted to know for sure :) |
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| 18:34.22 | valdyn | kristalino: why? that faq explains ftp nicely |
| 18:34.33 | pickcoder | Speedy: sid? no.. I think Etch would be ok, unless it's an extremely crtitcal system |
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| 18:34.52 | VolVE | hey all, does anyone have any update-to-date Linux RAID How To docs at all? The most recent I can find are from 2004 and relate to Kernel 2.4 ... :( |
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| 18:35.05 | valdyn | SpeedyG: upgrading _at all_ needs a good reason, no matter if the 'new' release is declared stable and whatnot |
| 18:35.11 | pickcoder | if it's running the tab system at the local bar, then put Sid on it.. <g> |
| 18:35.39 | valdyn | VolVE: man mdadm |
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| 18:35.48 | VolVE | okiedokie valdyn |
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| 18:36.00 | abrotman | wtf is maulkin ? |
| 18:36.28 | valdyn | VolVE: maybe not what you were looking for, but after you read ( and understood ) an old howto it works fine.. |
| 18:36.46 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: are you going to be setting it up and walking away? |
| 18:36.48 | stew | abrotman: on oftc |
| 18:36.56 | SpeedyG | pickcoder: nah, its my personal server |
| 18:36.59 | VolVE | valdyn: oh so nothing much has changed from 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
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| 18:37.16 | SpeedyG | but dont have any reason at all to upgrade.. except for maybe some newer packages |
| 18:37.19 | valdyn | VolVE: mdadm is a new tool, the basics didnt change |
| 18:37.26 | earthian | !info gparted sid |
| 18:37.29 | abrotman | stew: the ops are dropping like flies :) |
| 18:37.30 | dpkg | gparted: (GNOME partition editor), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 442 kB, Installed size: 1592 kB |
| 18:37.36 | pickcoder | keep Sarge then, unless you have to have a newer kernel or a specific package that isn't on backports |
| 18:37.39 | earthian | !info gparted experimental |
| 18:37.40 | VolVE | k |
| 18:37.41 | VolVE | thank you |
| 18:37.47 | abrotman | earthian: /msg dpkg info gparted sid |
| 18:37.50 | SpeedyG | pickcoder: newer kernel is on it allready |
| 18:37.55 | abrotman | earthian: or use packages.debian.org |
| 18:38.00 | earthian | i know.. |
| 18:38.05 | SpeedyG | had to build it myself because the kernel didnt include the e1000 drivers automatically |
| 18:38.05 | earthian | i already got what i need. thanks |
| 18:38.09 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: you lose security updates with Etch |
| 18:38.13 | abrotman | earthian: if you know .. then why would you ? |
| 18:38.18 | earthian | seems that gparted 0.3 is nowhere in debian |
| 18:38.23 | pickcoder | ok.. well there are a couple updates for Etch |
| 18:38.31 | valdyn | !info gparted sarge |
| 18:38.35 | valdyn | !info gparted etch |
| 18:38.40 | dpkg | gparted: (GNOME partition editor), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 442 kB, Installed size: 1592 kB |
| 18:39.03 | earthian | what i have noticed that many packaged in etch are same version as sid :S |
| 18:39.26 | xingu | earthian: demand a full refund |
| 18:39.30 | abrotman | that happens when it gets closer to freeze time |
| 18:39.33 | earthian | rofl :D |
| 18:39.34 | cydork | earthian: nice observation :) |
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| 18:41.30 | SpeedyG | btw, its a nice thing that debian has a default kernel after installation which works on quite a lot of machines :D if it didnt have it, I had to reinstall stuff/rebuild my kernel this afternoon... my routerbox had a mainboard crash, and I had to replace the box with a backup one.. just transferred the hdd and nics and everything worked like a charm :D hooray for debian ;) |
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| 18:41.36 | HardDisk_WP | is anyone experienced with setting up DANTED? |
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| 18:46.34 | jovans | hello can everybody tell where can i find a list of packages that are currently in debian unstable? |
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| 18:46.56 | earthian | jovans, packages.debian.org |
| 18:47.14 | JordiGH | !java |
| 18:47.14 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 18:47.25 | JordiGH | That needs updating. :-0 |
| 18:47.26 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 18:47.30 | tralala | jovans, do you really want _everybody_ to tell you? |
| 18:48.07 | cydork | JordiGH: it's finally gpled :) |
| 18:48.52 | JordiGH | cydork: Callhoo! Callay! |
| 18:49.13 | jovans | sure |
| 18:49.29 | cydork | JordiGH: frankly i hate java.. |
| 18:49.45 | JordiGH | cydork: I used it once, and it was nice. OOP fits nicely with me. |
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| 18:50.07 | jovans | because xorg version, kernel version, gnome version and kde-version it's enough i think |
| 18:51.25 | JordiGH | dpkg, no java is Sun's cross-platform OO language which used to be under a very restrictive license, but as of November 13, 2006 is GPLed and even dual licensed, allowing for proprietary and free use. Consider using applications such as Eclipse. |
| 18:51.26 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 18:51.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's not fully GPL yet |
| 18:52.01 | abrotman | cydork: ^^ |
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| 18:52.11 | abrotman | okay .. lie to people .. nice |
| 18:52.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: Aw... party pooper. :-( |
| 18:52.24 | luke-jr_work | How do I get iptables/netfilter ROUTE target in Debian? |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 18:52.30 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 18:52.33 | cydork | abrotman: well not fully :P |
| 18:52.38 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 18:52.59 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, nothing there useful ! |
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| 18:53.14 | abrotman | except the link to docs ? |
| 18:53.17 | abrotman | or the iptables channel ? |
| 18:53.30 | luke-jr_work | docs aren't Debian speciifc |
| 18:53.30 | abrotman | use modconf to load the iptables modules |
| 18:53.36 | abrotman | they don't need to be |
| 18:53.39 | pinky | Can the "/msg dpkg java" message be changed in light of recent events? |
| 18:53.41 | tralala | jovans, http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Contents-i386.gz |
| 18:53.44 | abrotman | pinky: i'm working on it |
| 18:53.45 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, sure they do, for my question |
| 18:53.47 | fourat | is there any doc/help about creating a debian derivative distribution from scratch ? |
| 18:53.53 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: use modconf to load it |
| 18:53.56 | abrotman | !dfs |
| 18:53.56 | dpkg | it has been said that dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 18:53.57 | valdyn | luke-jr_work: iptables isnt debian specific |
| 18:53.59 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, but how do I *get* it? |
| 18:54.05 | luke-jr_work | I can't find a package anywhere |
| 18:54.06 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: get modconf ? |
| 18:54.07 | pinky | abrotman: Any idea how long it might take Sun's Java VM to enter sid's main? |
| 18:54.08 | jovans | thank you |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | it's in the kernel |
| 18:54.18 | abrotman | pinky: it's been there for months. . in etch too |
| 18:54.26 | pinky | abrotman: In main? |
| 18:54.26 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, it doesn't appear to be? |
| 18:54.35 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: uname -a .. show us |
| 18:54.39 | abrotman | pinky: in non-free |
| 18:54.41 | cydork | fourat: why do you wanna do that? |
| 18:54.47 | abrotman | pinky: the JDK isn't fully GPL yet |
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| 18:54.56 | luke-jr_work | Linux gnat 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 23 19:35:30 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:54.56 | abrotman | and i haven't seen anything about licensing for JRE |
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| 18:55.04 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: then use modconf .. it's already there |
| 18:55.31 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, gnat:~# find /lib/modules/|grep ROUTE |
| 18:55.31 | luke-jr_work | gnat:~# |
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| 18:55.48 | fourat | cydork, need to have a live cd distributions that make some specific jobs only, firewall only , firefox navigation only and so ... |
| 18:55.56 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.10 | valdyn | luke-jr_work: why do you think a module with 'ROUTE' in its name exists? |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: use modconf |
| 18:56.22 | luke-jr_work | valdyn, that's the iptables target I need? |
| 18:56.57 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, it's not listed there. happy now? |
| 18:56.59 | valdyn | luke-jr_work: so? |
| 18:57.02 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: yes it is. |
| 18:57.08 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, not on my list |
| 18:57.09 | dendrite | luke-jr_work: find /lib/iptables | grep ROUTE |
| 18:57.24 | luke-jr_work | â ipt_REJECT - REJECT target support â â |
| 18:57.24 | luke-jr_work | â ipt_SAME - (No description available) # â |
| 18:57.27 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: yes it is :) |
| 18:57.44 | luke-jr_work | gnat:~# find /lib/iptables/|grep ROUTE |
| 18:57.45 | luke-jr_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.45 | luke-jr_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.19 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, where? |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: in modconf? |
| 18:59.11 | pinky | abrotman: Okay perhaps I need to research this more, but I guess I'm mostly wondering about Sun's VM making the transition from non-free to main as to allow oher Java applications who currently reside in contrib to also move over to main, such as Azureus. |
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| 18:59.24 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, I don't see it in modconf |
| 18:59.27 | abrotman | there are other free java implementations |
| 19:00.06 | pinky | abrotman: Sure, there are, but that doesn't stop the Debian package for Azureus being in contrib |
| 19:00.10 | valdyn | abrotman: java just got gpled... the jdk is somehow excluded? |
| 19:00.23 | abrotman | valdyn: the JDK isn't fully done yet |
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| 19:00.45 | pinky | valdyn: All of the code which Sun owns the exclusive copyright to in the JDK is, as I understand it. |
| 19:00.51 | abrotman | valdyn: or rather .. not fully GPLed |
| 19:01.35 | valdyn | "All the Java source code is expected to be released by March 2007" |
| 19:01.38 | valdyn | i see |
| 19:01.38 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: find it ? |
| 19:01.41 | pinky | But there are other portions that are in the process of being GPLed (in addition to other, existing licenses such as the CDDL) |
| 19:01.59 | Ubuh-Huntuh | is it hard to crack a 40 bits encryption key? I have read articles saying it can be done with a labtop in minutes. I'm asking because my car is using that technology (40 bit) for the remote key fob. |
| 19:02.01 | pinky | well the source code has already been released, and it available |
| 19:02.12 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, where? |
| 19:02.15 | valdyn | Ubuh-Huntuh: yes, easy |
| 19:02.18 | pinky | I guess what that quote is refering to is licensing every last bit of it under the GPL. |
| 19:02.39 | nst | well, i've installed debian sarge with no packages...so i started with apt-get install x-window-system-core and apt-get install kde...when the instalation is finished and i execute "startx" i get an error message |
| 19:02.41 | nst | xsession: unable to start x-session --- no "/root/.xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers and no terminal emulators found; aborting |
| 19:02.55 | abrotman | !java |
| 19:02.55 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 19:03.00 | abrotman | everyone happy ? |
| 19:03.02 | Ubuh-Huntuh | valdyn, how long do you think it would take to crack that with p4? |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | whoops .. i forgot something |
| 19:03.07 | valdyn | Ubuh-Huntuh: ..theoretically.. but this mainly depends on how long 1 try takes |
| 19:03.19 | abrotman | Ubuh-Huntuh: what does that have to do with debian ? |
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| 19:04.01 | Ubuh-Huntuh | kk |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: what is the name of the actual module ? |
| 19:04.19 | valdyn | Ubuh-Huntuh: you do the maths, 2^40 / speed of cpu * clock cycles per try |
| 19:04.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | awesome |
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| 19:05.16 | keith80403 | Debian Sarge - are there instructions for adding a Java plug-in for Epiphany 1.4.8 ? |
| 19:05.23 | abrotman | !tell keith80403 about install java |
| 19:05.41 | valdyn | keith80403: needs debian/i386 aka 32-bit debian |
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| 19:06.08 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, ipt_ROUTE |
| 19:06.21 | keith80403 | abrotman, valdyn, thanks |
| 19:06.38 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: that's not a kernel module |
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| 19:06.47 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, and why not? |
| 19:06.52 | abrotman | that's the .so |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | you want the .ko |
| 19:07.09 | luke-jr_work | that's the .ko |
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| 19:07.18 | abrotman | !find ipt_ROUTE etch |
| 19:07.21 | luke-jr_work | it'd be similar to /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.ko |
| 19:07.28 | luke-jr_work | except it's ROUTE, not REJECT |
| 19:07.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipt_ROUTE' (1): (/lib/iptables/libipt_ROUTE.so) in net/iptables. |
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| 19:08.21 | chj | hi, i'm trying to reboot my debian sparc after a crash, using minicom & com cable, and now on reboot the machine hangs forever on "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld" - and i can't ctrl+c it away either, any ideas? |
| 19:08.33 | chj | could i boot into single user mode and disable mysqld somehow? |
| 19:08.33 | jovans | where can i get a sid netinstall iso? i would like to install debian unstable |
| 19:08.55 | valdyn | jovans: dont do it, install etch and upgrade, or install sarge and upgrade |
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| 19:09.33 | jovans | why? |
| 19:09.35 | abrotman | or don't use sid :) |
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| 19:09.51 | luke-jr_work | ... |
| 19:09.58 | abrotman | !!! |
| 19:09.59 | luke-jr_work | !find ipt_REJECT etch |
| 19:09.59 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 19:10.01 | valdyn | jovans: you dont benefit from using an unstable installer , so there's no point in using it |
| 19:10.01 | ezu5t | jovans: try kanotix |
| 19:10.07 | abrotman | ezu5t: don't do that |
| 19:10.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipt_REJECT' (4 of 15): (/lib/iptables/libipt_REJECT.so) in net/iptables ;; (/usr/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4/ipt_REJECT.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4/ipt_REJECT.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux. |
| 19:10.18 | valdyn | !troll ezu5t |
| 19:10.27 | valdyn | !test |
| 19:10.28 | dpkg | Yes, valdyn, you're still online. |
| 19:10.29 | abrotman | ezu5t: you do not use kanotix to install sid |
| 19:10.38 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, note the presense of iptables + kernel for REJECT, but the lack of kernel module for ROUTE |
| 19:10.40 | ezu5t | why not, abrotman? |
| 19:10.46 | abrotman | ezu5t: because it doesn't work |
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| 19:10.54 | ezu5t | what do you mean? I'm using it right now |
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| 19:11.07 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 19:11.13 | jovans | is thhis the net iso of sid? |
| 19:11.15 | jovans | http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 19:11.22 | CharminTheMoose | ezu5t:it's like trying to vaccum your house with a beaver. |
| 19:11.25 | abrotman | jovans: what's the date on that ? |
| 19:11.26 | CharminTheMoose | it blows |
| 19:11.33 | valdyn | ezu5t: we've had that discussion to often already, feel free to google or just accept that kanotix isnt debian and not a proper way to install it |
| 19:11.35 | CharminTheMoose | and it gets you nowhere |
| 19:11.39 | jovans | 03-Nov-2006 13:27 5.4M |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | i wouldn't use that .. but it's just me |
| 19:12.01 | chj | anyone? |
| 19:12.36 | luke-jr_work | ... |
| 19:12.55 | valdyn | chj: why cant you disable mysqld in multi-user mode? |
| 19:13.04 | chj | because it won't boot. |
| 19:13.10 | ezu5t | well, it seems be more "debian-like" than kubuntu |
| 19:13.10 | abrotman | why not? |
| 19:13.16 | abrotman | ezu5t: then it's NOT debian |
| 19:13.18 | chj | on boot time it hangs on starting mysqld. |
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| 19:13.20 | ezu5t | i haven't installed a pure debian system |
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| 19:13.24 | luke-jr_work | ezu5t, debian-like != debian |
| 19:13.24 | abrotman | again ? |
| 19:13.26 | ezu5t | only kanotix |
| 19:13.32 | abrotman | then it's not debian |
| 19:13.47 | valdyn | chj: sure, append a 1 to the boot line in your boot manager ( i know nothing about sparc ) |
| 19:13.53 | amphi | chj: you could remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d or chmod -x the init script |
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| 19:14.04 | valdyn | chj: or is your real issue that you dont know how to disable it once in 1 user mode? |
| 19:14.24 | pinky | abrotman: Wow. How often does this happen? |
| 19:14.26 | chj | i'm actually not sure how to get to user 1 mode. |
| 19:15.00 | valdyn | !i lost root's password |
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| 19:15.12 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 19:15.13 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | pinky: what happen ? |
| 19:15.17 | valdyn | chj: ^^^^ |
| 19:15.46 | valdyn | chj: what dpkg tells is even 'less' than 1 user mode, but works for your purpose |
| 19:16.29 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, so where can I find ipt_ROUTE in modconf? :( |
| 19:16.49 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: what are you actually trying to do ? (and don't say "Find the damn module") |
| 19:17.35 | CBG | Can I be sure that when I run the debian installer, it will ask me where to install and not automatically install on my internal HD (thus wiping my existing OS X...) ? |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | it should ask you |
| 19:17.55 | valdyn | luke-jr_work: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-firewall@lists.debian.org/msg07925.html |
| 19:18.00 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, use the ROUTE target for my dual WAN setup |
| 19:18.05 | chj | valdyn: i'm using silo, not lilo, it doesn't recognize "linux init="/bin/sh" at boot prompt. |
| 19:18.13 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: and when you try it .. what happens? |
| 19:18.16 | pinky | abrotman: Mistakes such as confusing a completely separate distribution with Debian. |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | pinky: yes .. every day |
| 19:18.35 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, iptables v1.3.5: Couldn't load target `ROUTE':/lib/iptables/libipt_ROUTE.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:18.42 | valdyn | chj: i cant help you with silo, you need to pass init=/bin/sh as option to your kernel, however that may be done with silo, google will know |
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| 19:18.49 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: don't you think that's a bit different than .ko ? |
| 19:19.02 | pinky | abrotman: I mean I know Ubuntu's been certainly doing it's part in contributing to this problem, but what other distros do people think... I guess do they think are Debian. |
| 19:19.09 | chj | valdyn : yeah, i'll google :-) |
| 19:19.26 | chj | valdyn : thanks for your help, tho', always nice to have someone to ask :-) |
| 19:19.29 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, actually, that was the wrong box, 1 sec |
| 19:19.45 | luke-jr_work | iptables: Unknown error 4294967295 |
| 19:19.49 | abrotman | uhm |
| 19:20.05 | ezu5t | luke-jr_work: i get that error when I have the kernel option |
| 19:20.09 | abrotman | pinky: consider this list http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 19:20.11 | valdyn | abrotman: ipt_ROUTE is not in mainline kernels |
| 19:20.32 | abrotman | valdyn: it's not in any .. doesn't mean you can't do it |
| 19:20.38 | ezu5t | CONFIG_NETFILTER=y |
| 19:20.40 | abrotman | valdyn: that's why i asked what he was trying to do |
| 19:20.45 | abrotman | ezu5t: shut up already |
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| 19:21.03 | abrotman | valdyn: you can still use the target IIRC |
| 19:21.08 | abrotman | for the rules i mean |
| 19:21.13 | guss | xsession: unable to start x-session --- no "/root/.xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers and no terminal emulators found; aborting |
| 19:21.15 | guss | what can i do? |
| 19:21.29 | FuzzyBubblewrap | Could someone point me to the room that is for debian development please? |
| 19:21.33 | abrotman | why? |
| 19:21.40 | FuzzyBubblewrap | because i asked for it |
| 19:21.46 | abrotman | for what reason ? |
| 19:21.50 | valdyn | abrotman: the module he's looking for required a patch, no idea about the ROUTE target |
| 19:22.07 | FuzzyBubblewrap | Because I think apt is broke when trying to update itself and it's in etch |
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| 19:22.12 | FuzzyBubblewrap | and i've seen this twice |
| 19:22.13 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: then you ask here |
| 19:22.24 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: this channel is for support |
| 19:22.25 | FuzzyBubblewrap | this is for etch |
| 19:22.28 | FuzzyBubblewrap | not for sarge |
| 19:22.28 | abrotman | we know that |
| 19:22.36 | luke-jr_work | valdyn, so where can I find the module for Debian? |
| 19:22.39 | abrotman | just ask already |
| 19:23.04 | FuzzyBubblewrap | Ok then fine, why is apt stalling @ 99% with no cpu useage or disk usage |
| 19:23.12 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i saw it last weekend on a laptop |
| 19:23.14 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: it's stalled on a mirror |
| 19:23.15 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i thought it was the laptop |
| 19:23.28 | FuzzyBubblewrap | 99% [ 53 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 19:23.32 | FuzzyBubblewrap | is the line it's stuck at |
| 19:23.38 | FuzzyBubblewrap | you still think it's a mirror? |
| 19:23.39 | valdyn | luke-jr_work: http://www.netfilter.org/patch-o-matic/ |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: which mirrors? |
| 19:23.52 | FuzzyBubblewrap | main debian mirror |
| 19:23.53 | luke-jr_work | valdyn, that has Debian modules? |
| 19:23.54 | FuzzyBubblewrap | ftp.debian.org |
| 19:23.55 | abrotman | i'm 99% certain you don't have to do anything to get ROUTE to work |
| 19:23.56 | luke-jr_work | packages* |
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| 19:24.13 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, ... then how? |
| 19:24.27 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: try a mirror near you .. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:24.27 | FuzzyBubblewrap | ftp.debian.org and security.debian.org are my two hosts in sources.list |
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| 19:24.33 | s0n1 | hi |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: that's why i asked you what you were trying to do |
| 19:24.51 | s0n1 | how i change language bounce for erros in postfix..? |
| 19:25.05 | superjon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.30 | abrotman | grep has a -i |
| 19:25.35 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, iptables -I OUTPUT -j ROUTE --oif lan (for the sake of an example) |
| 19:25.44 | superjon | abrotman: RIght, I'm using sed |
| 19:26.17 | s0n1 | debian use postfix 2.1.5-9 |
| 19:26.21 | FuzzyBubblewrap | cute |
| 19:26.25 | FuzzyBubblewrap | apt-spy sent me right back |
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| 19:26.31 | s0n1 | and bounce_template use postfix 2.3.x |
| 19:26.32 | s0n1 | ???? |
| 19:27.10 | superjon | abrotman: I found it. /^user\.name$/i |
| 19:27.21 | abrotman | superjon: yep |
| 19:28.01 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: okay .. that should be fine AFAICT |
| 19:28.12 | abrotman | your error wasn't very helpful |
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| 19:29.09 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, a bug in iptables 1.3.5 IIRC prevents a useful msg |
| 19:29.26 | abrotman | lovely :) |
| 19:29.39 | abrotman | so you can't get any useful debugging out of iptables ? |
| 19:29.52 | valdyn | abrotman: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 19:29.52 | luke-jr_work | The (unsigned)(-1) is a known bug (#460 in bugzilla), fixed in |
| 19:29.52 | luke-jr_work | subversion versions of iptables. |
| 19:29.52 | luke-jr_work | However, it is only an invalid reporting of the error; the fixed |
| 19:29.52 | luke-jr_work | version would output "iptables: Invalid Argument". |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: you should fix this stuff |
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| 19:30.03 | luke-jr_work | it wasn't *that* long... |
| 19:30.09 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: put your sources in a pastebin |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: how about a link? :) |
| 19:30.49 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i just did it by hand |
| 19:30.51 | FuzzyBubblewrap | so your sol |
| 19:30.57 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2006-September/066803.html |
| 19:31.59 | FuzzyBubblewrap | is firefox 2.0 slated for apt any time soon? |
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| 19:32.01 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: nope .. taht's fine |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: when the maintainer finishes the package |
| 19:32.16 | FuzzyBubblewrap | has an eta been posted? |
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| 19:32.19 | abrotman | !tell FuzzyBubblewrap about iceweasel |
| 19:32.30 | abrotman | FuzzyBubblewrap: not that i'm aware .. which is usualyl how it works |
| 19:32.46 | FuzzyBubblewrap | yea that's right |
| 19:32.52 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i remember reading about that |
| 19:33.02 | FuzzyBubblewrap | but i thought iceweasel was supposed to be the thunderbird fork |
| 19:33.03 | FuzzyBubblewrap | not firefox |
| 19:33.07 | FuzzyBubblewrap | o well |
| 19:33.10 | abrotman | no .. icedove is for tbird |
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| 19:33.36 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: from what that says .. your rule might be borked .. but it's hard to tell since you don't get a valid error |
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| 19:34.04 | CBG | Sorry if I am asking a silly question, but I searched the debian.org and cannot find an answer anywhere... What linux kernel is Debian Etch (currently) using ? |
| 19:34.12 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, everything I've read suggests I need to install a module, just don't know where to find it for Debian... |
| 19:34.14 | abrotman | 2.6.17 |
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| 19:34.35 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: and that's why valdyn pointed you at patch-o-matic .. but i still don't think you need it |
| 19:35.09 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, patch-o-matic AFAIK doesn't have Debian pkgs |
| 19:35.13 | valdyn | abrotman: i _do_ get a valid error, but unfortunately ( for this )im not running a stock debian kernel |
| 19:35.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:35.34 | abrotman | valdyn: so you're saying his rule is messed |
| 19:35.34 | abrotman | ? |
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| 19:35.48 | valdyn | abrotman: no, im saying my kernel doesnt support the route target |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | oh .. that's no help :) |
| 19:36.24 | luke-jr_work | lol |
| 19:36.33 | valdyn | abrotman: i just have a newer iptables.. |
| 19:36.45 | abrotman | but it's nto a debian kjernel .. and you didn't compile iptables in |
| 19:36.49 | abrotman | or so it seems |
| 19:36.58 | valdyn | abrotman: oh, i did, i use much of it |
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| 19:37.21 | abrotman | just not ROUTE ? |
| 19:37.26 | valdyn | abrotman: right |
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| 19:37.30 | CBG | abrotman: exactly 2.6.17 ? not -rc2? |
| 19:37.41 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 etc |
| 19:37.43 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 etch |
| 19:37.48 | valdyn | CBG: debian doesnt package -rcX kernels |
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| 19:37.48 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.17-2-686: (Linux 2.6.17 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.17-9 (etch), Packaged size: 15521 kB, Installed size: 45196 kB |
| 19:37.51 | chj | valdyn : "Linux single" is the single user boot magic, and the reason everything was b0rked was that "/" was full |
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| 19:37.58 | chj | valdyn : thanks again :-) |
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| 19:38.20 | CBG | "2.6.17-9"... -9 means -rc9 ? |
| 19:38.28 | valdyn | CBG: no |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | no .. it means the ninth revision of the debian package |
| 19:38.38 | CBG | ok, thanks both |
| 19:38.41 | abrotman | roughly anyways |
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| 19:39.16 | CBG | Guess I'll need to update the kernel after I install etch then, I need 2.6.17-rc2 for the broadcom 43xx drivers. |
| 19:39.19 | valdyn | CBG: debian kernel versions are independent _after_ the 2.6.17, this could possibly be something like 2.6.17.3 plus debian patches |
| 19:39.24 | fasta | Who is "working" on iceweasel? One person? |
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| 19:39.32 | valdyn | CBG: see the changelog in /usr/share/doc |
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| 19:40.02 | luke-jr_work | CBG, final doesn't work? |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | CBG: -rc2 is older than 2.6.17 released |
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| 19:40.11 | CBG | valdyn: I don't have a linux install at all yet, planning to install debian soon. I was hoping I would not need to faff around... |
| 19:40.15 | abrotman | fasta: probably more than one |
| 19:40.17 | valdyn | CBG: -9 means 9th debian kernel source based on 2.6.17 |
| 19:40.21 | CBG | Oh, great! |
| 19:40.45 | FarrisG | We overuse Mantis for things it really isn't meant to track |
| 19:40.45 | FarrisG | Today our operations guy asked me to setup a new project in Mantis to track sales orders |
| 19:40.45 | FarrisG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | mysql died? |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:40.45 | FarrisG | Any ideas on what I should use instead? |
| 19:40.45 | CBG | so etc will have anything included in the Linux kernel since 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 19:40.57 | icwiener | Hi, I have the problem, that all console programms cannot resolve hostnames but GUI programs can. That happened after a dist-upgrade in Sid a few weeks ago. Any hint what that could be? |
| 19:41.05 | abrotman | FarrisG: can sql-ledger do that ? |
| 19:41.23 | valdyn | CBG: you should probably show the FULL version of this package as there's TWO -X in any debian kernel version |
| 19:41.28 | FarrisG | abrotman: That was one first thought, but it's probably not pretty enough for them |
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| 19:41.37 | abrotman | FarrisG: tough shit? :) |
| 19:41.38 | CBG | valdyn: I'm unsure what you mean... |
| 19:41.47 | FarrisG | abrotman: Heh. Yeah, also on my mind. |
| 19:42.03 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, I'm really hoping I can do this w/o switching everything to Gentoo/compiled :| |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: what do you hope to accomplish by doing this ? |
| 19:42.26 | pickcoder | FarrisG: OpenCRM? |
| 19:42.37 | abrotman | that's a bit overkill :) |
| 19:42.51 | luke-jr_work | abrotman, ... dual WAN routing |
| 19:43.09 | abrotman | you mean WAN on both sides .. or there is three sides ? |
| 19:43.18 | valdyn | CBG: linux-image-2.6.18-2-amd64_2.6.18-5_amd64.deb : the -2 denote the 2nd kernel SOURCE release, the -5 denotes the FIFTH package version based on the same debian kernel source |
| 19:43.29 | luke-jr_work | there's 2 WAN interfaces (inet_tw and inet_sbc) and 1 LAN (lan) |
| 19:43.42 | abrotman | eh .. i thought the -2- meant that it was the third binary compatible release ? |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | as in .. -1- isn't ABI compat with -2- etc |
| 19:44.04 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, thats the result of it |
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| 19:44.09 | pickcoder | FarrisG: does it have to be web based? |
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| 19:44.32 | caraleooooo | $encode felipe |
| 19:44.53 | valdyn | abrotman: well, im wrong, as -2 could aswell be changed config compared to -1 |
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| 19:45.00 | CBG | valdyn: I'm very new to linux, don't understand much of the jargon yet. As long as the Etch I downloaded a few day's ago has the 2.6.17-rc2 Linux kernel, or better, I should be OK. |
| 19:45.05 | valdyn | CBG: abrotman got it better |
| 19:45.15 | itchi | Heh, where can i find the 'ieee80211' package? I no more find that package. Is that on an special url? |
| 19:45.18 | valdyn | CBG: all fine then |
| 19:45.21 | abrotman | CBG: should have newer |
| 19:45.32 | CBG | valdyn, abrotman, great, thanks a lot guys :) |
| 19:45.36 | FarrisG | pickcoder: Doesn't have to be, but would probably be best |
| 19:45.37 | CBG | ~valdyn++ |
| 19:45.39 | CBG | ~abrotman++ |
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| 19:45.41 | amphi | itchi: why do you want it? it's in the kernel |
| 19:45.42 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 19:46.04 | abrotman | ask #fedora ? |
| 19:46.06 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm, i have reinstall the laptop, following my notes, looks like i'm missing somethings |
| 19:46.08 | luke-jr_work | mallochigh, wtf are you asking here for? |
| 19:46.22 | mallochigh | I did but fedora-ds is not fedora specific so i asked here as well. |
| 19:46.39 | abrotman | mallochigh: fedora-ds is NOT in debian |
| 19:46.40 | itchi | amphi: That ata error i get it from the begin it's looks. Have checked after an clean install. Probably i had not see it |
| 19:46.45 | mallochigh | just because the package has fedora in it doesn't mean its not distro independant. |
| 19:46.55 | amphi | itchi: your notes are wrong in that case, I think ;) the mess you had before was due to having two lots of ieee80211 |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | mallochigh: yes .. but debian doesn't have fedora-dds |
| 19:46.58 | abrotman | ds |
| 19:47.02 | mallochigh | abrotman, read the docs man you can install fedora-ds on debian |
| 19:47.07 | amphi | itchi: ah |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | mallochigh: please go ask ##linux |
| 19:47.10 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i know |
| 19:47.22 | amphi | itchi: so don't do it again ;) |
| 19:47.27 | mallochigh | everyone who just flamed me is a flamewhore |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 19:47.35 | itchi | amphi: I have just write on my note to not install that ieee80211 of the website but use that of the Debian |
| 19:47.36 | mallochigh | just waiting to flame are you. |
| 19:47.39 | mallochigh | :P |
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| 19:47.46 | Flimzy_ | LVM is so cool. |
| 19:47.49 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i know ;-) :-p |
| 19:47.49 | pickcoder | facturalux looks like it's for X |
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| 19:48.11 | itchi | amphi: I do make on ipw3945 and he complain that he not find that ieee80211 |
| 19:48.15 | amphi | itchi: it's _in_ the debian kernel; do modprobe -l | grep ieee |
| 19:48.43 | amphi | itchi: well, it didn't have that problem that last time - you installed the kernel-headers? |
| 19:48.46 | itchi | amphi: Yeah :-) |
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| 19:49.07 | itchi | amphi: I guess it's not loaded at boot time |
| 19:49.09 | pickcoder | mallochigh: if it's not on packages.debian.org, then it's doubtful that you can find help here on it |
| 19:49.29 | mallochigh | pickcoder, some of the smartest linux users are in here.. i will ask anyway.. |
| 19:49.35 | amphi | itchi: what 'he' complains about not finding the ieee80211 stuff? |
| 19:49.43 | mallochigh | you know their would be no issues if the package name was called oss-ds |
| 19:49.46 | mallochigh | or openldap |
| 19:49.56 | luke-jr_work | mallochigh, if it's not available for Debian, it probably would be |
| 19:50.04 | abrotman | mallochigh: look damn it .. i just told you it's not in Debian. |
| 19:50.25 | abrotman | mallochigh: most people in here probably don't even know what fedora-ds is |
| 19:50.28 | mallochigh | abrotman don't make me sit here and go "THATS NOT DEBIAN RELATED!!!" |
| 19:50.29 | mallochigh | I will do it |
| 19:50.40 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/247688 |
| 19:50.43 | abrotman | mallochigh: please go ahead and do it |
| 19:50.44 | mallochigh | abrotman maybe thomas_adam does... |
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| 19:50.51 | abrotman | mallochigh: he's not here is he? |
| 19:50.52 | mallochigh | or peterS |
| 19:50.55 | valdyn | what's fedora-ds anyway? |
| 19:51.01 | mallochigh | or JM |
| 19:51.03 | luke-jr_work | an LDAP server, from the sound of it |
| 19:51.09 | abrotman | valdyn: netscape directory server that RH bought and renamed IIRC |
| 19:51.13 | mallochigh | you know we do have phd equivs in here |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | mallochigh: shut up already |
| 19:51.30 | luke-jr_work | mallochigh, and the phd equivs told you to stfu :) |
| 19:51.39 | mallochigh | no abrotman did |
| 19:51.45 | Azar | what is a phd? |
| 19:51.48 | abrotman | i have a PhD |
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| 19:52.03 | mallochigh | abrotman i think you need a woman, you seem irritated |
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| 19:52.08 | ezu5t | PhD = pretty hellish demeanor? |
| 19:52.08 | Azar | sounds like a shameful disease |
| 19:52.23 | mallochigh | all of this is not debian |
| 19:52.25 | luke-jr_work | mallochigh, I have a woman, and I'm irritated with you as well |
| 19:52.28 | abrotman | mallochigh: are you done? fedora-ds is not in Debian .. most don't know what it is. your best chance is to ask #ldap |
| 19:52.31 | amphi | itchi: dunno, it worked the last time - look in the docs about building against in-kernel ieee80211 |
| 19:52.32 | zophy | is there a debian package for an emacs c-sharp syntax mode ? |
| 19:52.34 | mallochigh | you know i wouldn't be talking so much if i were just ignored |
| 19:52.48 | abrotman | mallochigh: please /part |
| 19:52.53 | Azar | hehe mallochigh has phd |
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| 19:53.04 | amphi | itchi: it may be a question of telling it where to find the ieee80211 headers |
| 19:53.06 | itchi | amphi: The kernel headers and source ? |
| 19:53.16 | amphi | itchi: what? |
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| 19:53.46 | itchi | amphi: I have not yet installed the kernel headers not kernel source, i not know if this is important |
| 19:53.47 | peterS | mallochigh: "there are a lot of smart people here" is _not_ a justification for asking a random off-topic question here. if it were, we would call ourselves #askjeeves or something. |
| 19:53.52 | mallochigh | abrotman: i just took that suggestion, your right #ldap is a good idea, I am so glad i asked in here! |
| 19:54.07 | amphi | itchi: arrghhh |
| 19:54.10 | abrotman | mallochigh: yeah .. because /list wouldn't have helped .. |
| 19:54.15 | mallochigh | hi peterS! |
| 19:54.15 | peterS | mallochigh: maybe we'd even call ourselves #www.google.com |
| 19:54.18 | mallochigh | this is kerpal btw |
| 19:54.32 | mallochigh | like the new name? |
| 19:54.35 | abrotman | yes .. we can tell |
| 19:54.42 | amphi | itchi: of course you need the kernel headers - I just asked you if you had installed them |
| 19:54.53 | amphi | !kill itchi |
| 19:54.59 | amphi | ha |
| 19:55.03 | itchi | :-p |
| 19:55.17 | abrotman | peterS: maybe we could do that? #random-questions :) |
| 19:55.23 | pickcoder | mallochigh: no one in #fedora-ds? |
| 19:55.31 | peterS | abrotman: I don't have the time (: but ok |
| 19:55.36 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:55.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: he probably got kicked from there for being an ass |
| 19:55.46 | luke-jr_work | Fedora DS? That's like Fedora for Nintendo DS, right? :p |
| 19:55.51 | Azar | ok, I have a question there: back in my newbiness days when I set up my sources.list I added "contrib non-free" to my debian.security line, would that be a problem? |
| 19:55.53 | itchi | amphi: Yup, i have miss an line above |
| 19:55.57 | peterS | luke-jr_work: nintendo has a directory server? |
| 19:55.57 | amphi | itchi: I hope you are adjusting your notes as you go ;) |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: Fedora Directory Server .. used to be Netscape Directory Server |
| 19:56.02 | pickcoder | mallochigh: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/ |
| 19:56.14 | itchi | amphi: Sure, that was the goal of the reinstall :-) |
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| 19:56.26 | mallochigh | DOH! |
| 19:56.28 | valdyn | Azar: no |
| 19:56.28 | amphi | itchi: still, it's good for the next person that you are being so thorough |
| 19:56.29 | peterS | Azar: if 'apt-get update' does not fail, then it's not a problem |
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| 19:56.34 | luke-jr_work | anyhow |
| 19:56.38 | luke-jr_work | back to routing in Debian... |
| 19:56.44 | Azar | thanks valdyn, peterS |
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| 19:56.49 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: hire a gerbil to push them around :) |
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| 19:56.58 | Azar | haha |
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| 19:57.22 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, The most importantest stuff are been working right now; just that ata thing there, the little console trouble, and the 3D that are a bit poor. The rest everythings works, that's great :-) |
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| 19:57.56 | amphi | itchi: you've now built the drivers for the two nics? |
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| 19:58.50 | itchi | amphi: Not yet, yesterday both are working fine, have get that multicard reader working yesterday |
| 19:59.08 | amphi | itchi: cool |
| 19:59.17 | itchi | amphi: Yeah :-) |
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| 19:59.47 | ma3x | if I install wine, then how do I install IE? |
| 19:59.48 | amphi | itchi: it's the hd or cd/dvd drive that produces all those ata errors? |
| 19:59.49 | itchi | amphi: Heh, make no more complain :-p |
| 20:00.12 | itchi | amphi: eeuhm, i think the both, both are without dma |
| 20:00.17 | amphi | itchi: could you pastebin the output of lspci for me? |
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| 20:00.24 | itchi | amphi: Sure ;-) |
| 20:00.32 | amphi | itchi: if you put dma on with hdparm, what happens? |
| 20:00.38 | amphi | itchi: or does it refuse? |
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| 20:01.05 | itchi | amphi: Have not yet try that, like i get some error in dmesg, i not wanted to try to break it ;-) |
| 20:01.54 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/247701 |
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| 20:02.54 | earthian | can anybody help me debug a problem? |
| 20:03.09 | itchi | !ask |
| 20:03.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:03.56 | earthian | itchi, http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/11/msg00276.html |
| 20:04.00 | earthian | there is my problem |
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| 20:04.23 | amphi | itchi: can you pastebin those ata errors also? |
| 20:04.26 | ma3x | if I install wine, then how do I install IE? |
| 20:04.37 | abrotman | don't use the fglrx driver .. see if the problem goes away |
| 20:04.55 | earthian | abrotman, the problem persists with vesa driver even |
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| 20:05.17 | earthian | ma3x, google for ies4linux |
| 20:05.45 | ma3x | earthian: how do I google? |
| 20:05.50 | ma3x | just kidding :p |
| 20:05.50 | itchi | amphi: Prefer you the whole dmesg output out just the importantest part? |
| 20:05.59 | earthian | :p |
| 20:06.20 | amphi | itchi: do it all, why not? ;) |
| 20:06.58 | earthian | what i know about that problem that no shutdown/reboot works except " reboot -f " have any idea what does that skip? |
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| 20:07.22 | john83 | How do I purge all the gnome stuff and switch to xubuntu from a default ubuntu install? |
| 20:07.29 | earthian | manual writes this: -f Force halt or reboot, don’t call shutdown(8) |
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| 20:07.55 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/247710 |
| 20:08.21 | valdyn | !xubuntu |
| 20:08.22 | itchi | john83: heh, Running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 20:08.33 | valdyn | !ubuntu |
| 20:08.33 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 20:08.39 | john83 | john83: ubuntu is what is going on this server, since it's the CD I had in my coat. |
| 20:08.44 | yang | I am trying to compile a driver but I am getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/16567 |
| 20:08.58 | john83 | but gnome is a bit much. want xubuntu, and need the extra space 'cause it's gonna be a file server |
| 20:09.00 | cydork | who added thanks to that factoid?? :) |
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| 20:09.42 | earthian | where are the poweroff scripts? ??? |
| 20:09.52 | john83 | well |
| 20:09.54 | earthian | *poweroff reboot shutdown halt etc |
| 20:09.54 | tralala | cydork, should we substitute it with kthx? |
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| 20:09.59 | john83 | hwo would I remove gnome on debian? :P |
| 20:10.03 | Azar | what for is a "xen" when picking up a linux-image as in "linux-image-2.6.17-xen-k7" ? |
| 20:10.08 | john83 | itchi: ^^ |
| 20:10.22 | tralala | john83, aptitude |
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| 20:10.41 | john83 | tralala: jaja, but is there a virt package that refers to all gnome-ish things? |
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| 20:11.10 | felipe_br | guys, what's the Right Way (tm) of installing a newer version of eclipse? is there any debian repository with eclipse 3.2? unstable has 3.1... |
| 20:11.14 | tralala | john83, you can discover this yourself using aptitude |
| 20:11.21 | cydork | tralala, kthx? |
| 20:11.38 | tralala | !irritate cydork |
| 20:11.38 | dpkg | cydork: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey lol |
| 20:11.48 | itchi | john83: Look to /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:11.51 | cydork | felipe_br, you want newer version than sid ? why? |
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| 20:11.54 | tralala | meh, no kthx this time |
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| 20:12.34 | itchi | john83: You can ask to the bot?? |
| 20:13.04 | cydork | john83, ask #ubuntu |
| 20:13.05 | felipe_br | cydork... well I read that 3.2 is already stable version of eclipse... all plugins seem to be requiring this version... in fact I want CDT and its current version is 3.1.1 which requires eclipse 3.2 |
| 20:13.30 | itchi | john83: I mean, you know how to ask the bot?, like /msg dpkg install ubuntu |
| 20:13.30 | cydork | felipe_br, i use cdt and it's there in debian |
| 20:13.51 | felipe_br | cydork, you mean there is a cdt package? |
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| 20:13.59 | john83 | itchi: jaja, I did |
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| 20:14.24 | john83 | aptitude purge leaves some config files? how do I force it to purge them? |
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| 20:14.31 | peterS | john83: what config files? |
| 20:14.38 | cydork | !info eclipse-cdt |
| 20:14.40 | dpkg | eclipse-cdt: (C/C++ Development Tools for Eclipse), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.0.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17041 kB, Installed size: 21900 kB |
| 20:14.55 | JasonF | Is there a good way to make a pxeboot install setup with a newer kernel for installing newer hardware? |
| 20:15.04 | JasonF | Without me having to compile my own kernel, if possible :) |
| 20:15.07 | john83 | peterS: er, whatever config files were there for the program in question |
| 20:15.12 | cydork | PeterS, he is using xubuntu .. |
| 20:15.20 | hacosta | hi, im trying to install debian from 31r3-amd64-netinst.iso but it hangs after i select my country |
| 20:15.31 | john83 | peterS: this happen on debian server as well |
| 20:15.33 | peterS | john83: well, if you aren't going to be more specific, and you're running an OS that we don't know anything about, it's kind of hard to help you |
| 20:15.49 | cydork | john83, no it doesn't |
| 20:16.02 | felipe_br | cydork: man, can't believe, what a newbish of mine |
| 20:16.09 | felipe_br | X-) |
| 20:16.12 | felipe_br | tks! |
| 20:16.20 | peterS | john83: note, though, that aptitude installs and removes other packages that you didn't specifically ask for, to resolve dependencies. when it removes those other packages, if you want it to purge them too, you need to use --purge. as in, dpkg purge --purge .... |
| 20:16.24 | itchi | hacosta: Can you go the the vt 3 or 4 ? |
| 20:16.33 | peterS | I mean, aptitude purge --purge |
| 20:16.49 | felipe_br | cydork: subclipse and pydev I must install through help/updates, though, right? |
| 20:16.53 | hacosta | it says, kernel: usb 1-2: control timeout on ep0out |
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| 20:17.01 | john83 | peterS: there is no way to tell it to delete everything automatically? |
| 20:17.20 | peterS | john83: you weren't listening, were you? aptitude purge --purge tells it to delete everything automatically |
| 20:17.27 | itchi | hacosta: You can see in another console what's been doing. Maybe you need to look to that console to see if there are an error message or so. |
| 20:17.33 | cydork | felipe_br, i dont know what subclipse is :P |
| 20:17.41 | itchi | s/console/vt/ arg |
| 20:17.51 | JasonF | Hrm. Is there a way to get the Etch installer to ask what debian you want to install (i.e. install a sarge copy from an etch kernel) |
| 20:17.52 | peterS | cydork: subclipse is an eclipse plugin for using subversion. it isn't in debian. |
| 20:17.55 | felipe_br | cydork: ok then (it's a SVN plugin) |
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| 20:18.10 | hacosta | itchi: yeah tty 4 says kernel: usb 1-2: control timeout on ep0out |
| 20:18.21 | sandman | When ones tries to install java using java-package (although this is just to create the .deb file), should one have root priv's? |
| 20:18.26 | sandman | Or fakeroot? |
| 20:18.32 | itchi | hacosta: Is there somethings plugged to that USB port? |
| 20:18.33 | peterS | JasonF: "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18" for information on an unofficial build of sarge debian-installer |
| 20:18.40 | cydork | felipe_br, like peterS said it's not in debian.. |
| 20:18.42 | hacosta | yup |
| 20:18.54 | itchi | hacosta: Okay, unplug it, and try without |
| 20:18.56 | cydork | peterS, hmm seems like a good thing though :P |
| 20:18.58 | john83 | peterS: blow me. |
| 20:19.00 | felipe_br | tks guys! |
| 20:19.02 | itchi | hacosta: Let us know here |
| 20:19.17 | peterS | john83: no need to be rude. I answered your question. |
| 20:19.32 | john83 | peterS: you yourself are being rude. I was asking for clarification. |
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| 20:20.01 | peterS | so you got your clarification. if there are still config files that you think should have been removed but were not, please file bugs against the appropriate packagse in xubuntu. |
| 20:20.05 | Flimzy_ | john83: I have known peterS for quite some time... I have never known him to be even remotely rude, online or in person. |
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| 20:20.07 | john83 | but.. whatever. I think I found the ansewr to my question. if it doesn't work, it would take me about 15m to download a diff. install ISO |
| 20:20.25 | JasonF | peterS: any idea of something that would work with LVM? |
| 20:20.38 | JasonF | peterS: we use LVM on everything |
| 20:20.43 | tralala | john83, you were asking an already answerted question. If you don't read the answers it's really difficult to get any help at all. |
| 20:20.49 | Flimzy_ | JasonF: What do you need w/ LVM? |
| 20:20.56 | john83 | yea you can all blow me |
| 20:20.58 | john83 | biez |
| 20:21.00 | peterS | JasonF: you mean root on LVM? I don't bother with root on LVM as it seems kind of a fragile idea. but if you do need it, you need the etch installer |
| 20:21.14 | JasonF | peterS: can I use the etch installer to install sarge? |
| 20:21.15 | Flimzy_ | I just did a root on LVM about 30 seconds ago |
| 20:21.17 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 20:21.17 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 20:21.27 | peterS | JasonF: I don't know if you can. at one time that was supported but I think perhaps it is not now |
| 20:21.55 | peterS | cydork: people are more or less behaving themselves now |
| 20:22.13 | tralala | cydork, no need - we'll just stop feeding the troll and he'll starve himself out |
| 20:22.24 | john83 | troll? |
| 20:22.26 | john83 | you're a fucking idiot. |
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| 20:22.54 | cydork | tralala, ya you are right :) |
| 20:23.09 | SpeedyG | felipe_br: once youve got eclipse installed, you can just go through the softwareupdate in eclipse to install subclipse |
| 20:23.17 | stew | john83: i don't know who you are talking about, but please don't resort to name calling, use /ignore if you must |
| 20:23.24 | felipe_br | SpeedyG: that's what I thought, thank you |
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| 20:23.32 | john83 | I will detach my screen. hah! |
| 20:23.38 | peterS | that'll show us |
| 20:23.47 | tralala | bwahahahahaha |
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| 20:24.13 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 20:24.15 | peterS | your puny trolls are no match for my ... DETACHABLE SCREEN |
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| 20:24.20 | ezu5t | stew: /ignore: no such command? |
| 20:24.38 | tralala | ezu5t, you need a better irc client |
| 20:25.00 | stew | ezu5t: /ignore is a command in most irc clients |
| 20:25.05 | earthian | is there any way to convert a software (fake) RAID to a true linux software RAID while those devices are root to the linux? |
| 20:25.07 | earthian | :D |
| 20:25.09 | ezu5t | evidently not in gaim, then |
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| 20:25.22 | hacosta | it works now.. (y).. btw theres an option in the kernel (dont remember where exactly) something about legacy usb that is needed for usb keyboards to work, i think that should be enabled at least in the installattion kernel |
| 20:25.22 | sandman | When running make-jpkg, am I supposed to get tons of "Premission denied" error lines? |
| 20:25.22 | yusuke2 | omg |
| 20:25.28 | action09 | ? |
| 20:25.29 | yusuke2 | how the heck can you keep this channel organized with almost 800 people lol |
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| 20:25.40 | earthian | is there any way to convert a software (fake) RAID to a true linux software RAID while those devices are root to the linux? (or even if i boot from CDrom) |
| 20:25.43 | SnarceZ | has anyone every tried to set up the tv out? |
| 20:25.59 | SnarceZ | I found a package called ati-tvout |
| 20:25.59 | ma3x | earthian: still there? |
| 20:26.02 | earthian | yea |
| 20:26.04 | tralala | yusuke2, most of them are suspectedly bots |
| 20:26.11 | yusuke2 | well |
| 20:26.12 | yusuke2 | ok anyway |
| 20:26.20 | ma3x | how can I install windows media player? |
| 20:26.23 | yusuke2 | Im ridiculously rusty with linux |
| 20:26.26 | yusuke2 | its been years since I used it |
| 20:26.30 | yusuke2 | and when I did it was slackware |
| 20:26.33 | SnarceZ | but it's not an application and it did'n change anything |
| 20:26.37 | earthian | ma3x, do you need windows media player? |
| 20:26.38 | yusuke2 | I am thinking about setting up a dual boot on my desktop |
| 20:26.43 | earthian | use VLC |
| 20:26.43 | earthian | :) |
| 20:26.46 | yusuke2 | so I can have a linux ftp server |
| 20:26.48 | ma3x | earthian: yeah, I wanna see a lot of clips |
| 20:26.50 | yusuke2 | is debian where its at? |
| 20:27.04 | ma3x | earthian: some sites like tmz.com require wmp |
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| 20:27.10 | earthian | ah |
| 20:27.10 | ApTek | yusuke2: What answering are you expecting in this channel? :) |
| 20:27.19 | yusuke2 | and honest one |
| 20:27.20 | ma3x | earthian: see if you can play them |
| 20:27.24 | jair | if i can change or add an ip address to a eth0 on a machine (temporary until it reboots) using ifconfig eth0 192.168.123.181 netmask 255.255.252.0, how do i add the default gateway? |
| 20:27.25 | earthian | i cant |
| 20:27.26 | ezu5t | debian is where *we* are at, yusuke2. |
| 20:27.31 | earthian | these sites sux |
| 20:27.32 | john83 | ma3x: ehm.. use mplayer. or vlc |
| 20:27.32 | earthian | :p |
| 20:27.36 | buu | jair: route |
| 20:27.38 | yusuke2 | so because you are fanboys you cant give honest answers? |
| 20:27.41 | buu | YES |
| 20:27.47 | buu | yusuke2: YOU SHOULD BE USING LUNIX 2.3 |
| 20:27.47 | hacosta | damn, now i get a bebootstrap error, Couldn't download groff-base |
| 20:27.48 | tralala | yusuke2, honestly I hate debian. I wonder why I run it and I hang around here. |
| 20:27.50 | yusuke2 | many of the things I am a fan of I can admit their flaws and weakness's |
| 20:27.50 | buu | IT IS HARDCORE. |
| 20:27.53 | hacosta | anyway i can skip this? |
| 20:27.56 | earthian | john83, those you mentioned has problems with WMV3 |
| 20:28.07 | cydork | tralala, you dont have any friends? :P |
| 20:28.10 | ma3x | john83: can you play anything from tmz.com? |
| 20:28.12 | john83 | earthian: well don't do that then! |
| 20:28.12 | yusuke2 | ok I can see unbiased and mature answers was a bit much to ask for |
| 20:28.15 | yusuke2 | sorry for the bother |
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| 20:28.27 | earthian | john83, its not a solution :( |
| 20:28.33 | tralala | cydork, neither life |
| 20:28.34 | earthian | its an advice |
| 20:28.35 | earthian | :p |
| 20:28.46 | amphi | itchi: "atapi_enable", is that on your kernel command line? |
| 20:28.53 | cydork | tralala, well that makes 2 of us :) |
| 20:29.04 | tralala | yusuke2, what do you mean unbiased? We are on #debian, of course, we're biased! |
| 20:29.14 | tralala | cydork, ;) |
| 20:29.20 | yusuke2 | like I said |
| 20:29.22 | yusuke2 | bit much to ask for |
| 20:29.24 | stew | yusuke2: try ##linux for discussing various distros |
| 20:29.50 | tralala | I think you're highly underestimating |
| 20:29.50 | yusuke2 | thanks |
| 20:29.50 | jair | buu: So all i do is type: route 192.168.120.1 <---- when that is my gw address. |
| 20:29.51 | yusuke2 | now thats an answer I was looking for |
| 20:29.51 | ezu5t | yusuke2: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/shiver/630 |
| 20:29.51 | tralala | we're hundreds |
| 20:29.51 | buu | jair: Not quite, no. |
| 20:29.51 | jair | buu: hmm? |
| 20:30.02 | buu | jair: route add default gw <IP> |
| 20:30.09 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 20:30.11 | itchi | amphi: I had need to give 'install libata.atapiÂ_eable=1' when i did the installer. But i not find it in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:30.36 | itchi | amphi: install libata.atapi_enable=1 |
| 20:30.39 | yusuke2 | im guessing you would all consider debian the most user friendly? |
| 20:30.41 | jair | buu: what I am doing is setting up a dhcp server for a small range of ips temporary. |
| 20:30.45 | jair | buu: :) |
| 20:30.48 | jair | let me try |
| 20:30.49 | itchi | amphi: Next one, fixing the console ;-) |
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| 20:31.31 | Azar | yusuke2: it depends on the person who tries it: try it and see if you like it |
| 20:31.38 | ezu5t | yusuke2: debian is the most friendly to developers and sysadmins. "user-friendly" depends on your definition of user |
| 20:31.40 | deadcat | my php scripts gives me this error from commandline: PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 20:31.42 | yusuke2 | debian is what most linux classes are teaching |
| 20:31.46 | yusuke2 | back in the day it was redhat though |
| 20:31.56 | buu | deadcat: It's php, you're doomed. |
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| 20:32.03 | Azar | yusuke2: because debian is a brain enhancer software |
| 20:32.13 | JamieCope | hello, is there a SR package for ETCH ? |
| 20:32.13 | yusuke2 | brain enhancer software? |
| 20:32.27 | tralala | yusuke2, depends how you define user-friendly. If you mean "do everything using only the mouse right from the start", then no. |
| 20:32.36 | deadcat | buu: i think i only getting this after the update |
| 20:32.38 | yusuke2 | well no linux is like that |
| 20:32.43 | yusuke2 | at least that I know of lol |
| 20:32.44 | tralala | only with* |
| 20:32.48 | amphi | itchi: that's a bash thing |
| 20:32.51 | yusuke2 | but then again I dont know much |
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| 20:33.06 | amphi | itchi: or screen perhaps, I think |
| 20:33.09 | tralala | yusuke2, linspire perhaps is |
| 20:33.15 | yusuke2 | never heard of it |
| 20:33.17 | Azar | yusuke2: get the installer, get the online manuals, try it then come with questions |
| 20:33.38 | yusuke2 | ah yes the typical tech head answer lol |
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| 20:33.59 | hacosta | any ideas? the installer doesn't seem to find groff-base |
| 20:34.01 | yusuke2 | does debian still use xwindows? |
| 20:34.11 | tralala | yusuke2, with any other distro sooner or later you will need a programme that's not in. Then you'll have to compile it yourself. That's _not_ user-friendly. |
| 20:34.12 | itchi | amphi: Yup, i also suspect screen |
| 20:34.23 | itchi | yusuke2: Yes |
| 20:34.24 | action09 | yusuke2 x-window not windows |
| 20:34.32 | yusuke2 | oh please forgive me |
| 20:34.34 | yusuke2 | and my S |
| 20:34.34 | action09 | fyi |
| 20:34.38 | itchi | yusuke2: Yeah, little typo there ;-) |
| 20:34.45 | action09 | yusuke2 i hope :) |
| 20:34.45 | yusuke2 | I specifically told you guys |
| 20:34.46 | ma3x | can anybody play clip from tmz.com ? |
| 20:34.47 | yusuke2 | its been years |
| 20:34.52 | zinx | what else would it use? :x |
| 20:34.52 | yusuke2 | before 2000 since I used any form of linux |
| 20:35.00 | yusuke2 | or even considered using it again lol |
| 20:35.15 | yusuke2 | zinx Im sure there are plenty of other GUI's you can use with linux |
| 20:35.30 | tralala | X is _not_ a GUI |
| 20:35.47 | JamieCope | so no "SR" language package for Debian? ok ... |
| 20:35.52 | yusuke2 | oi vey |
| 20:35.53 | jair | buu: Thank you very much it works, by the way have you ever set up the dhcp3 server? |
| 20:35.57 | stew | JamieCope: what is sr? /msg dpkg search |
| 20:36.00 | buu | jair: Nope! |
| 20:36.03 | tralala | and there aren't plenty X-replacement-servers that can do what X does |
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| 20:36.18 | yusuke2 | you act like im supposed to know this stuff |
| 20:36.18 | jair | buu: all right, Thank you anyway, the route command works :) |
| 20:36.19 | itchi | yusuke2: Man, you will be many more happy now, it have change many in the good way ;-) |
| 20:36.28 | buu | jair: you're welcome. |
| 20:36.30 | yusuke2 | all debian fan boys this anal ? lol |
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| 20:36.41 | amphi | itchi: in my .zshrc I have bindkey entries for different term types, dunno how you do that in bash |
| 20:36.45 | luke-jr_work | ok, so the answer is that I can't use -j ROUTE w/ Debian then? |
| 20:36.47 | JamieCope | stew, SR is a language designed for parallel applications |
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| 20:36.54 | yusuke2 | I hiope so itchi because I remember I couldnt get it to size right on my desktop lol |
| 20:36.59 | foxure | Hello. I wounder how i can check wich cpu i have in debian? |
| 20:37.00 | Azar | yusuke2: if you want to see how much Debian has advanced: http://brunotorres.net/en/sargeslide/ |
| 20:37.09 | amphi | foxure: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:37.23 | yusuke2 | azar Im still trying to figure out if debian is what i want to use |
| 20:37.33 | yusuke2 | but ##linux isnt giving me much |
| 20:37.36 | cydork | JamieCope, ohh any link? or the full name? |
| 20:37.49 | itchi | amphi: Eeuhm, me too |
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| 20:38.03 | stew | yusuke2: if you are looking for user friendly above all else, you'd probably be better off with a debian derrivative like ubuntu or kubuntu |
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| 20:38.08 | JamieCope | sure: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/sr/ |
| 20:38.12 | JamieCope | this is the full name |
| 20:38.26 | itchi | yusuke2: Try it out man, try it! ;-) |
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| 20:38.39 | yusuke2 | Stew believe it or not I can probably navigate any version of linux, Im by far no slouch when it comes to such things it always comes back to me after some trial and error |
| 20:38.43 | yusuke2 | but I want to do a dual boot |
| 20:38.51 | yusuke2 | so I can run an intermitent ftp server |
| 20:39.10 | yusuke2 | debian is what a friend of mine us using in class |
| 20:39.18 | foxure | amphi, thx. maybe you now if this cpu works great with the Stable 2.6 K7 Kerneln image,, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31504/ |
| 20:39.25 | yusuke2 | so ill probably use it but I wanted to get opinions on the others im familiar with, redhat, slackware etc etc |
| 20:39.46 | stew | yusuke2: this isn't the right place to be asking about redhat, slackware, etc |
| 20:39.47 | itchi | yusuke2: Yeah, look to your friend; looks like he know what's good ;-) |
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| 20:39.58 | yusuke2 | he is using it becuase thats what his teacher is making him use :) |
| 20:40.00 | yusuke2 | fan boy |
| 20:40.04 | yusuke2 | lol |
| 20:40.12 | yusuke2 | I know im in ##linux now but no one is answering me haha |
| 20:40.18 | cydork | JamieCope, na i'll stick to mpi :P |
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| 20:40.25 | itchi | yusuke2: Nope, i know also (near) what's good and what's wrong :-p |
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| 20:40.45 | luke-jr_work | yusuke2, I can tell you Debian is sure better than RedHat and Slack ;) |
| 20:40.49 | yusuke2 | well i might just use debian because it seems the easiset one to get help with lol |
| 20:40.57 | yusuke2 | so they fell off the map huh? |
| 20:41.04 | luke-jr_work | yusuke2, dunno, it seems impossible to use -j ROUTE w/ Debian... |
| 20:41.09 | luke-jr_work | but maybe you won't need that |
| 20:41.09 | raz0__ | Say I want to use IPX to access samba shares on a Windows machine with debian - Where would I start? I've setup ipx through the 'ipx' package so far. |
| 20:41.10 | yusuke2 | can the kernel bet set up to run 64 bit? |
| 20:41.15 | amphi | foxure: dunno about amd, but I expect so |
| 20:41.23 | tralala | yusuke2, that's not to be underestimated btw |
| 20:41.36 | yusuke2 | well consiering I dont know what -j route is I dont kmnow what you mean lol |
| 20:41.44 | dendrite | !lol |
| 20:41.44 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:41.45 | yusuke2 | what isnt to be underiestimated? |
| 20:41.52 | SmallR2003 | anyone any good with bridging? |
| 20:42.18 | luke-jr_work | SmallR2003, it's easy? |
| 20:42.20 | tralala | "it seems the easiset one to get help with lol" |
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| 20:42.40 | yusuke2 | I still dont undserstand |
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| 20:42.49 | yusuke2 | you dont want me to underestimate how much help I can get from you guys? |
| 20:42.49 | SmallR2003 | luke-jr_work, i want to tunnel my connections through multiple interfaces so if one dies then the others are still alive |
| 20:42.54 | JamieCope | cydork, good choice, so i have ot install it manually |
| 20:42.57 | tralala | and yes, you can run a 64bit kernel with debian. You can ever run a full 64bit system - kernel and userland |
| 20:43.10 | jazzmans | is there a renamed mozilla-navigator on etch? I can't seem to find navigator, only firefox. i386. |
| 20:43.20 | jelly-home | SmallR2003: I think that's called multipathing, right? |
| 20:43.25 | tralala | yusuke2, I mean that the amount of help you can get with debian is a really strong selling point |
| 20:43.33 | cydork | JamieCope, yep |
| 20:43.37 | tralala | and makes it user-friendly |
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| 20:43.53 | SmallR2003 | jelly-home, if i was going to name it that's probably what i'd call it |
| 20:44.21 | SmallR2003 | jelly-home, basically i don't want to lose connections (like irc) whenever i go for a wander around the house |
| 20:44.24 | yusuke2 | anything I need to know before I download? |
| 20:44.31 | yusuke2 | im going to do a BT search |
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| 20:45.04 | tralala | yusuke2, you might want to spend some time reading wiki.debian.org to get prepared |
| 20:45.33 | tralala | and of course you definitely want to read the install guide |
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| 20:46.11 | yusuke2 | kakarot fer |
| 20:46.14 | yusuke2 | you stole my name |
| 20:46.15 | yusuke2 | lol |
| 20:46.17 | yusuke2 | thats why I couldnt get it lol |
| 20:46.28 | yusuke2 | Tralala |
| 20:46.42 | yusuke2 | will all my questions about resizing partitions and dual boots and all that be answered in these docs? |
| 20:47.39 | Guerin | yusuke2: since we don't know what your questions are, how should we know? JUst read them. |
| 20:47.46 | stew | yusuke2: what is your question about resizing partitions? |
| 20:47.49 | yusuke2 | I just said what they are |
| 20:47.53 | yusuke2 | I want to resize my windows partition |
| 20:47.55 | yusuke2 | and do a dual boot |
| 20:48.07 | yusuke2 | im basically only going to have debian running |
| 20:48.10 | yusuke2 | when I want my ftp server up |
| 20:48.15 | yusuke2 | as I cant get windows to allow me to do so right now |
| 20:48.19 | yusuke2 | and to just have some fun with linux again |
| 20:48.25 | stew | yusuke2: what is the question though |
| 20:48.32 | yusuke2 | what the |
| 20:48.33 | Guerin | wtf |
| 20:48.35 | stew | yusuke2: you haven't yet asked a question about resizing |
| 20:48.36 | yusuke2 | that is the question |
| 20:48.41 | me_here | kopfgeldjäger haha, als ob der bot ein kopf hätte |
| 20:48.54 | peterS | yusuke2: your question is about resizing. ok, we get that. what _is_ your question? |
| 20:48.54 | Guerin | you want to install a whole OS for a ftpd? |
| 20:48.58 | yusuke2 | yah foreign languages how cool |
| 20:49.07 | yusuke2 | I wasnt going to bother you guys with the question on that level |
| 20:49.12 | stew | !de |
| 20:49.12 | dpkg | de is, like, Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:49.12 | ezu5t | yusuke2: you want to know what program to use to resize your partitions? |
| 20:49.15 | Guerin | yusuke2: so don't. |
| 20:49.18 | yusuke2 | I just want to know if information pertaining to it is in the docus |
| 20:49.19 | yusuke2 | as in |
| 20:49.21 | yusuke2 | telling me how to do it |
| 20:49.24 | yusuke2 | and how to do a dual boot |
| 20:49.25 | tralala | yusuke2, resizing is not a question. It's a procedure. What do you want to know about it? What software to use, how to use a particular software? |
| 20:49.49 | Guerin | yusuke2: 1. install windows. 2. install debian. 3 dual boot works. |
| 20:49.50 | stew | yusuke2: you wont find help on resizing and the debian installer won't help you with resizing. dual-boot will be painless, /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:49.53 | Guerin | (in principle) |
| 20:49.56 | dendrite | yusuke2: Why don't you read the docs, and then, if you need more information, you'll be in a much better position to ask intelligent questions. |
| 20:49.57 | yusuke2 | windows is already installed |
| 20:50.07 | Guerin | yusuke2: proceed to 2. |
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| 20:50.14 | z0d | Hello |
| 20:50.20 | yusuke2 | lol |
| 20:50.26 | tralala | !lol |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:50.39 | yusuke2 | whats ith the ! before lol? |
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| 20:51.03 | itchi | yusuke2: To tell the both that he need to take an action |
| 20:51.07 | z0d | What AMD X2 AM2 motherboard would you suggest for Debian? |
| 20:51.08 | yusuke2 | !lol |
| 20:51.08 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:51.10 | yusuke2 | yah I figured it out |
| 20:51.15 | itchi | yusuke2: Here he say somethings |
| 20:51.25 | yusuke2 | but I Right lol |
| 20:51.25 | dendrite | yusuke2: Now if you'd just figure out how dorky you sound, always typing "lol." |
| 20:51.28 | yusuke2 | so deal with it lol |
| 20:51.30 | itchi | yusuke2: Try /msg dpkg selftell |
| 20:51.37 | zophy | is the linux kernel binary image a GPL'ed entity ? |
| 20:51.38 | yusuke2 | are you freaking kidding me? |
| 20:51.42 | yusuke2 | Mirc tech heads |
| 20:51.45 | yusuke2 | telling me I sound dorky? |
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| 20:51.46 | BucWheat | hi all i'm running debian sarge and have libusb-0.1-4 0.1.10a-9 installed which has a memory leak. how do i upgrade to the latest libusb version that corrects this problem? |
| 20:51.52 | yusuke2 | Do YOU have any idea how ridiculous YOU sound? lol |
| 20:51.58 | itchi | yusuke2: Who, me? |
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| 20:52.06 | Guerin | mirc? what's that? |
| 20:52.06 | stew | yusuke2: please drop it and keep it on-topic |
| 20:52.06 | tralala | yusuke2, if in real life you laugh loud at the end of each sentence, you will have a hard time building an image of inteligent person in front of your listeners |
| 20:52.11 | yusuke2 | no dendrite calling me dorky lol |
| 20:52.23 | yusuke2 | irrelivent |
| 20:52.25 | yusuke2 | internet is different |
| 20:52.28 | yusuke2 | and trust me |
| 20:52.30 | itchi | yusuke2: Avoid aol languange please |
| 20:52.32 | yusuke2 | even know my ignorance is obvious |
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| 20:52.39 | stew | !tell yusuke2 about enter |
| 20:52.47 | yusuke2 | my intelligence is most likely far greater than you think |
| 20:52.47 | Guerin | zophy: a kernel can't be an 'entity'. The kernel is GPLed, however. |
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| 20:52.52 | kraut | hi |
| 20:52.53 | peterS | yusuke2: one basic social skill is learning to adapt to your social surroundings. _we_ are your social surroundings. whether or not you think we are dorky, the fact remains that you look like an AOL user to us. that's something you can't really argue about, only accept and try to change, if you want to change |
| 20:53.12 | kraut | i have grub with the version 0.97-19 installed. when i use grub-reboot 0, this kernel will not be booted. any ideas? |
| 20:53.12 | itchi | yusuke2: There are people that come here from over the whole world. English is my 3 see 4 language. And i'm realy not alone |
| 20:53.25 | Guerin | yusuke2: that wouldn't be hard, since right now I think it's about the same as my sandwich. |
| 20:53.30 | yusuke2 | Yes and I will agree to hitting enter too much, that is a force of habit, however I have been writing LOL on the internet since before it was a popular form of entertainment |
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| 20:53.47 | Guerin | bully for you |
| 20:53.49 | pickcoder | BucWheat: are you sure you are on Sarge? |
| 20:53.56 | itchi | yusuke2: The world change, people too ... |
| 20:54.01 | tralala | yusuke2, you will be surprised how much like real-life we are in here. And how much we can tell about a newcomer from the first 10 minutes. |
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| 20:54.03 | peterS | yusuke2: yes, and AOL users have been doing the same. we think you look like one. are you one? |
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| 20:54.13 | yusuke2 | Also, anytime some one needs to resort to insults such as, my sandwich is as smart as you, is only proving his own lack of intelligence |
| 20:54.23 | yusuke2 | No Ive never used aol a day in my life |
| 20:54.26 | BucWheat | pickcoder yup. that is the ISO i d/l'ed and installed :) |
| 20:54.30 | zophy | Guerin, thanx |
| 20:54.36 | pickcoder | BucWheat: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:54.43 | craigevil | yusuke2: why not just deal with it instead of arguing |
| 20:54.47 | Guerin | yusuke2: that doesn't follow. nor does it follow that i *need* to resort to such insults, only that I *choose* them. |
| 20:54.58 | jelly-home | Hmm, I have a situation where aptitude install local-foo won't work, complaining of dependencies broken, but apt-get install local-foo works. |
| 20:55.00 | stew | yusuke2: Guerin: please just drop it and keep it on-topic |
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| 20:55.03 | CBG | Hi, I am trying to install Debian Etch onto a partition of my external Hard Drive but during the install process, I can only select the entire external drive. The installer does not recognise that it is in 3 partitions and that 2 partitions have data on them and one does not. It just sees one 250GB drive. What can I do about this? |
| 20:55.14 | Guerin | stew: horse ... barn door. |
| 20:55.22 | yusuke2 | I wasnt arguing, just saying I will write LOL, I will try not to spam the enter key though as that I agree with, but im also not going to be called stupid just because I type lol. That is just rude and down right arrogant |
| 20:55.24 | stew | Guerin: huh? |
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| 20:55.31 | stew | yusuke2: stop. drop it. |
| 20:55.35 | yusuke2 | exatly stew :) |
| 20:55.35 | Guerin | stew: closing ... after ... bolted. |
| 20:55.42 | Guerin | it's over. |
| 20:55.46 | stew | Guerin: i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 20:55.59 | yusuke2 | Most people dont lol |
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| 20:56.12 | Guerin | stew: 'Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted' is taking action against something after it has already taken place. |
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| 20:56.18 | peterS | yusuke2: we're not calling you stupid. we're saying you look like an AOL user. if that doesn't bother you, fine. |
| 20:56.19 | sanabriamusic | hey |
| 20:56.26 | BucWheat | pickcoder ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 20:56.38 | ezu5t | peterS: I doubt AOL users ever come here... |
| 20:56.44 | peterS | ezu5t: you might be surprised |
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| 20:56.46 | sanabriamusic | what was the way to change the resolution in debian? |
| 20:56.47 | yusuke2 | No peter that didnt bother me, and you didnt, the only one to basically call me stupid like an immature neanderthal was guerin, my comments were not directed towards you I assure you |
| 20:56.59 | stew | Guerin: are you saying that once an off-topic discussion has started, I should not try to stop it? |
| 20:57.02 | moshii | ezu5t: aol is one of the better isps in the uk... no caps |
| 20:57.13 | peterS | moshii: what does aol stand for in the UK? |
| 20:57.20 | yusuke2 | You can call me an aol user all you want it doesnt offend me because it isnt true, but I write LOL and have no problem with that or think you guys should be so anal but its your turf haha |
| 20:57.20 | Guerin | stew: absolutely no accusation against you, just a general comment. |
| 20:57.41 | moshii | peterS: america on-line hah |
| 20:57.41 | sanabriamusic | an old link? |
| 20:57.41 | peterS | moshii: yeah, so that's kind of funny |
| 20:57.41 | jelly-home | yusuke2: eh, there are a lot of different people here. Some can be less than pleasant, but let that get in the way of you getting help. |
| 20:57.52 | yusuke2 | no its not I think most of you guys are great |
| 20:57.53 | SmallR2003 | moshii, aol aren't even aol any more in the uk :P talk talk (who are someone else as well) |
| 20:57.57 | jelly-home | yusuke2: *don't* let ... |
| 20:57.57 | yusuke2 | tralala has been quite helpful to me |
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| 20:58.15 | Guerin | bah, wtf |
| 20:58.17 | moshii | SmallR2003: ah coolies, i don't feel so dirty for using them in a past life now |
| 20:58.26 | Guerin | gpl java released march 2007 |
| 20:58.29 | sanabriamusic | maybe the changed themselves to lol |
| 20:58.35 | yusuke2 | you can insult my lack of knowledge of lin ux all you watn but I am far from unintelligent haha |
| 20:58.36 | CBG | Anyone got any ideas about my harddrive problem..? |
| 20:58.43 | tralala | Guerin, you should go really slowly then :) |
| 20:58.43 | SmallR2003 | moshii, i use tiscali, who are great till something breaks :P |
| 20:58.51 | stew | yusuke2: do you have any more debian related questions? |
| 20:58.58 | Guerin | suppose they have to take out all the horrendous obscurity-security fuckups and incriminating comments |
| 20:59.06 | sanabriamusic | how u change resolution? |
| 20:59.08 | yusuke2 | not yet im still reading the wiki site he gave me |
| 20:59.09 | moshii | SmallR2003: do that cap your transfers? or quota you or filter you like everyone in the uk now |
| 20:59.16 | azeem | Guerin: the compiler and the virtual machine got released today, the class libraries will follow next year |
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| 20:59.23 | BucWheat | pickcoder still there? |
| 20:59.27 | yusuke2 | ok heres a question |
| 20:59.30 | Guerin | azeem: oh. The virtual machine is available? |
| 20:59.37 | sanabriamusic | and how u mount a flash drive? |
| 20:59.41 | azeem | AIUI |
| 20:59.49 | stew | sanabriamusic: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 20:59.51 | peterS | azeem: the compiler and virtual machine are the parts that have excellent free alternatives already, right? |
| 20:59.53 | tralala | yusuke2, you don't really need to tell us how intelligent you are. You can just ask us debian questions and we can try to help unless we feel threathened by your supremacy. |
| 20:59.53 | moshii | SmallR2003: if you can get telewest you should .. full newsfeeds etc |
| 20:59.53 | yusuke2 | When I am ready to start running my ftp server, am I going to use a program like with windows? |
| 20:59.55 | azeem | Guerin: I'm not sure that'd be enough to use it as browser plzgin |
| 20:59.56 | Guerin | once again, slashdot makes me more, rather than less stupid |
| 21:00.15 | peterS | yusuke2: you will install an ftp server. that is all. debian has several to choose from, I recommend vsftpd. |
| 21:00.22 | yusuke2 | ok there |
| 21:00.23 | azeem | the end-user impact has not been discussed in depth so far, AFAICT |
| 21:00.29 | azeem | it's rather developer oriented |
| 21:00.40 | Guerin | mm |
| 21:00.40 | yusuke2 | I didnt know if it was somethingbuilt into the kernel, maybe that was a stupid question I dunno |
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| 21:01.21 | mirak_ | http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&ticketID=1131314 I sent a bug report to ATI about fglrx not enabling DRI when DRM_RADEON module is build into the kernel, and all what they reply is "we do not have linux support". They don't even support their OWN kernel module !!!!!! |
| 21:01.21 | peterS | yusuke2: nah, debian is all about a collection of packages that you can install individually. an ftp server is one of those (well, several of those) |
| 21:01.21 | azeem | yusuke2: nobody said it was somthing into the kernel |
| 21:01.21 | Guerin | i thought the SE which everyone uses was beinbg released mre or less as-is |
| 21:01.21 | yusuke2 | I remember packages |
| 21:01.21 | mirak_ | this is for radeon 9600 pro |
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| 21:01.21 | sanabriamusic | no such dir |
| 21:01.21 | yusuke2 | from redhat I think, where A-z? |
| 21:01.24 | moshii | yusuke2: you need an ftp daeomn |
| 21:01.26 | yusuke2 | K being kernel packages, n networking? |
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| 21:01.30 | moshii | yusuke2: daemon |
| 21:01.45 | azeem | yusuke2: Debian doesn't follow redhat conventions |
| 21:01.46 | peterS | yusuke2: we don't have categories of quite that nature. but anyway you will just 'aptitude install vsftpd' and that's pretty much it |
| 21:01.48 | moshii | yusuke2: for something simple try the lukemfptd |
| 21:01.57 | pickcoder | K4000-121704 |
| 21:01.57 | pickcoder | BucWheat: I don't see a bug report for a memory leak |
| 21:02.04 | yusuke2 | sounds like im going to be allright with this though its very similar |
| 21:02.15 | itchi | mirak_: I have an 9600SE here |
| 21:02.20 | peterS | yusuke2: if you last used linux several years ago, it will be simpler now than it was then |
| 21:02.25 | yusuke2 | now ill tell you guys where im going to annoy you, is setting up my security thats going to bei mportant to me |
| 21:02.34 | itchi | mirak_: How did you install the driver? |
| 21:02.42 | BucWheat | pickcoder well a manufactur told me to upgrade to the latest version because there is a mem. leak in that version. when you run a mtrace on it you'll see it |
| 21:02.50 | moshii | hmm when i unplug my tvisto it kills usb until i halt and take my laptops battery out :( |
| 21:02.54 | yusuke2 | Damn I hate reading sometimes feel like im back in school |
| 21:02.56 | tralala | yusuke2, ftp is not famous for its security |
| 21:02.59 | dendrite | yusuke2: If all you're doing is running a FTP server, you can grab the business card or netinstall ISO, install the absolute basic system, and then just install your ftp daemon. Very fast, very minimal, and effective. |
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| 21:03.03 | jazzmans | .. so either there is no mozilla-navigator available for etch, and I'm to blind to have read that, OR, no-one here knows, or no-one cares. damn. I like having multiple different web browsers, and I'm not a fan of gnome or ephiphany. |
| 21:03.03 | BucWheat | pickcoder so i need to update because if i do not they are no longer going to help me with their product that relies on libusb |
| 21:03.05 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 21:03.05 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 21:03.18 | mirak_ | itchi: with module assistant |
| 21:03.21 | dendrite | yusuke2: Your hardest part will be resizing. In any case, you'll want to make a backup before you go there. |
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| 21:03.31 | moshii | yusuke2: reading will keep your brain going for longer though.. so it's a good idea to do it once in a while |
| 21:03.32 | yusuke2 | resizing my partition so I can keep windows? |
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| 21:03.44 | mirak_ | itchi: I must build a custom kernel without radeon.ko module, otherwise it fails to enable dri |
| 21:03.45 | peterS | dendrite: that's only hard if you don't use etch debian-installer |
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| 21:03.48 | itchi | mirak_: Which release are you running? |
| 21:03.50 | dendrite | yusuke2: Yeah, resizing your windows file systems, then your partitions. |
| 21:03.50 | pickcoder | BucWheat: I don't see a bug report regarding a memory leak in libusb on Sarge |
| 21:03.59 | pickcoder | BucWheat: where did you hear about this memory leak? |
| 21:04.02 | yusuke2 | moshii I actually lo ve reading, but everyone here knows that the docs are sometimes just mostly fillers giving information you dont need lol |
| 21:04.08 | pickcoder | BucWheat: do you have a link to the information about it>? |
| 21:04.09 | yusuke2 | I can just use partition magic?? |
| 21:04.11 | yusuke2 | that shouldnt be hard? |
| 21:04.12 | dendrite | yusuke2: peterS suggests that with the etch installer, resizing is easier... |
| 21:04.15 | itchi | mirak_: Show me the output of lspci, about that gfx card so that i compare here |
| 21:04.15 | mirak_ | itchi: 30.3 or something |
| 21:04.19 | Guerin | yusuke2: as someone told you an=bout an hour ago, debian won't help you with that. Use the gparted bootcd or somesuuch. |
| 21:04.26 | mirak_ | itchi: that RV350 |
| 21:04.30 | moshii | yusuke2: really? /usr/share/doc is a great resource |
| 21:04.34 | Guerin | yusuke2: or partitionmagic, if you love your warez |
| 21:04.37 | peterS | yusuke2: oh if you've paid for partition magic, sure, use that if you want. most people in the world haven't bought partition magic so I didn't assume you had |
| 21:04.38 | itchi | mirak_: I mean, Sarge, Etch ... |
| 21:04.40 | azeem | Guerin: why not the installer? |
| 21:04.46 | rgsteele | Anybody know off the top of their heads how you can specify a specific source for apt-get via the command line? I could add backports.org to my sources.list and then apt-pin the package I want...but I vaguely remember being able to pass an arg to apt-get to accomplish the same task |
| 21:04.48 | azeem | it can resize Windows partitions AFAIK |
| 21:04.55 | Guerin | azeem: d-i does ntfs partition resizing now? |
| 21:05.00 | yusuke2 | umm you know you can crack that right? |
| 21:05.02 | tralala | yusuke2, I have quite different experience with the docs than yours. I suppose the reason is that I'm reading linux docs and you are supposedly reading windows docs. |
| 21:05.03 | azeem | I thought the one in sarge did already |
| 21:05.04 | moshii | yusuke2: then you have the README.Debian's which are useful to look at before you ask here |
| 21:05.07 | mirak | itchi: well the computer is not here, it's at my parents home, can't do lspci right now |
| 21:05.10 | azeem | the etch one definetely does |
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| 21:05.17 | peterS | Guerin: etch does, reportedly. I haven't tried that functionality as I don't have a windows machine to install onto |
| 21:05.18 | dendrite | yusuke2: We strongly discourage software theft around here. |
| 21:05.21 | yusuke2 | ok |
| 21:05.26 | Guerin | yusuke2: this is a free software channel, not a warez channel for kiddiez who think they're 1337 |
| 21:05.27 | cydork | rgsteele, -t sarge-backports? |
| 21:05.32 | yusuke2 | well I own a copy of partition magic :) |
| 21:05.32 | jelly-home | !list |
| 21:05.32 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jelly-home |
| 21:05.37 | BucWheat | pickcoder they just sent it to me in an email after i complained about memory issues using their software. they narrowed it down to libusb and told me to update it and my problem would be fixed |
| 21:05.42 | Guerin | yusuke2: sure you do. |
| 21:05.44 | itchi | mirak: I have an 9600SE and have install it like dpkg tell to do it; works very well that way |
| 21:05.56 | yusuke2 | guerin you got a problem with me? |
| 21:06.01 | yusuke2 | you seirously have a major attitude problem |
| 21:06.24 | rgsteele | cydork: That's the one. Thanks, I skimmed (read: glossed over :)) the man page but obviously missed it |
| 21:06.25 | Guerin | yusuke2: i'm just sayin' ... |
| 21:06.26 | azeem | yusuke2: stop that |
| 21:06.29 | yusuke2 | Its none of your god damn business what I do or do not own |
| 21:06.31 | tralala | Guerin, yusuke2, boyz y don't u just 1gn0r3 each other?!!! |
| 21:06.33 | stew | yusuke2: keep it on topic. use /ignore if you must |
| 21:06.42 | yusuke2 | you are right stew |
| 21:06.48 | mirak_ | itchi: this bug is distribution independent, I found the solution from a gentoo thread |
| 21:06.59 | yusuke2 | I apologize for the warez comment, I didnt know. |
| 21:07.19 | Guerin | ... |
| 21:07.23 | itchi | mirak_: Yeah, strange that here it's fine then, i want to give it an try to analyse it |
| 21:07.28 | Guerin | didn't know it was illegal yo crack commercial software? |
| 21:07.29 | cydork | rgsteele, :) |
| 21:07.34 | dendrite | yusuke2: The point being that warez actually hurts GNU/Linux, by reducing the impetus for people to try it. |
| 21:07.39 | azeem | Guerin: why don't you drop it as well? |
| 21:07.45 | itchi | mirak_: Have you internet to that other computer? |
| 21:07.53 | Guerin | azeem: implausibility ... overload |
| 21:07.53 | yusuke2 | that makes sense but I did not think of it so again I apologize |
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| 21:08.06 | yusuke2 | if there an open source resizing program out there I can use? |
| 21:08.07 | tralala | Guerin, do you need more sleep? More coffee? More $ex? |
| 21:08.18 | Guerin | tralala: more bullets. |
| 21:08.19 | peterS | yusuke2: the installer itself, if you use etch (debian 4.0) beta |
| 21:08.22 | dendrite | yusuke2: Not to mention that a lot of regulars here are developers, who may be a bit sensitive to the whole software theft thing. |
| 21:08.22 | sandman | Why does it seem like parted can't actually resize any partitions? |
| 21:08.26 | itchi | Guerin: haha ;-) |
| 21:08.30 | sandman | Or perhaps it's just because the filesystem is currently mounted? |
| 21:08.32 | yusuke2 | dendrite ive learned my lesson :) |
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| 21:08.44 | azeem | sandman: sounds like a good reason |
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| 21:08.56 | rhalff | hi how can I search which packages where installed from backports ? |
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| 21:09.00 | tralala | Guerin, I sure hope you're not a gun-owning american. Not that I have any intention to go there anyway. |
| 21:09.14 | peterS | rhalff: I suppose 'dlocate -l | grep bpo' |
| 21:09.14 | rhalff | I need to switch to php5 from dotdeb instead of backports |
| 21:09.19 | yusuke2 | some people just hsouldnt be allowed to own guns :) |
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| 21:09.22 | peterS | rhalff: errrr, 'dpkg -l | grep bpo' |
| 21:09.23 | rhalff | peterS, ah thanks :) |
| 21:09.29 | BucWheat | pickcoder back. mIRC quit :( |
| 21:09.32 | azeem | rhalff: eh, dotdeb? |
| 21:09.34 | azeem | are you sure? |
| 21:09.38 | pickcoder | BucWheat: if there really is a memory leak in libusb, then you should file information on it |
| 21:09.39 | peterS | rhalff: this is based on the assumption that packages from backports always have 'bpo' in their version numbers |
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| 21:09.41 | mirak_ | itchi: yes if it's still on I can ssh |
| 21:09.43 | itchi | mirak_: It will be interesting once your there on that place to come back on the irc. So that we can try to help you, but we need a bit more informations, at least, you need probably full access to that box |
| 21:09.54 | pickcoder | BucWheat: the only thing you can do is upgrade your entire system to Etch "testing" |
| 21:10.00 | rhalff | peterS, ok I'll make that assumption then :) |
| 21:10.01 | yusuke2 | hmm I am wondering how long its going to take me to get up to speed and well versed in general linux knowledge |
| 21:10.17 | cydork | rhalff, think about dotdeb again.. it's not stable |
| 21:10.28 | dendrite | yusuke2: If you only run it once in a while, it'll take a looooong time. If you ditch windows, you'd be pretty well versed in a few months. |
| 21:10.30 | pickcoder | BucWheat: if it's a critical system, then you are stuck. Etch isn't good for critical servers |
| 21:10.39 | yusuke2 | I cant ditch windows |
| 21:10.44 | BucWheat | pickcoder really? i couldn't manually compile the libusb tarball? |
| 21:10.44 | itchi | mirak_: You not need to install your driver the ATI way, that's why these give also no support when there's some shit. Just follow the Debian way to install that gfx card |
| 21:10.48 | mirak_ | itchi: I have full acces |
| 21:10.49 | rhalff | cydork, yes but I need php5-mcrypt and it's not in backports |
| 21:10.49 | dendrite | yusuke2: Games? |
| 21:10.50 | yusuke2 | I mean I COULD on my desktop, but not on my laptop |
| 21:10.58 | pickcoder | BucWheat: if you want to muck up your box, sure.. go right ahead |
| 21:11.00 | yusuke2 | surprisingly I dont play a lot of games online right now |
| 21:11.08 | yusuke2 | except like yahoo cards |
| 21:11.14 | pickcoder | BucWheat: if you file the bug, it will be resolved |
| 21:11.16 | yusuke2 | bodog poker, not sure if they run on linux? |
| 21:11.16 | itchi | mirak_: Can you pastebin the error? |
| 21:11.20 | pickcoder | especially if it's in Sarge |
| 21:11.26 | mirak_ | itchi: 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] |
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| 21:11.37 | dendrite | yusuke2: Pick up a live cd to try... |
| 21:11.48 | yusuke2 | live cd? |
| 21:11.57 | itchi | mirak_: Running Sarge, Etch, Sid? |
| 21:11.57 | dendrite | !live cd |
| 21:11.58 | dpkg | live cd is, like, http://live.debian.net/ |
| 21:12.11 | bbelt16ag | how do i get libXxf86dga.so.1 |
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| 21:12.14 | azeem | yusuke2: I would assume yahoo-games are operating system independent |
| 21:12.22 | BucWheat | pickcoder i'll look into filing the bug. in the meantime i have to find a fix for this as my box is no good if it can't run the application it was built to run |
| 21:12.26 | mirak_ | itchi: the error just consist in fglrx saying through xorg that DRI fails |
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| 21:12.39 | yusuke2 | they use active x |
| 21:12.39 | azeem | bbelt16ag: the bottom of packages.debian.org has a search form which can tell you which package you need to install |
| 21:12.39 | dendrite | yusuke2: Live CD's let you boot from CD directly into a fully functional linux system. It'll be slow, on account of running from optical media, but it works. Good way to test, and taste. |
| 21:12.42 | r0tu | Anyone here know about the kernel boot process? I'm having an issue right at the start, just after it decompresses and don't know what direction to go in to solve this particular issue |
| 21:12.47 | rhalff | hm great dotdeb doesn't have amd64 |
| 21:12.52 | bbelt16ag | ok ty |
| 21:12.53 | yusuke2 | oh dendrite thats nice |
| 21:12.56 | stew | r0tu: what version of debian? |
| 21:12.59 | yusuke2 | can I make my own live cd or order one? |
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| 21:13.12 | tralala | right now my yahoo mail is attempt independent - no matter how many attempts I make it works not. |
| 21:13.16 | bbelt16ag | my head is spinning |
| 21:13.20 | dendrite | yusuke2: It's all free, you can make it from a downloadable ISO, or pay someone to ship it to you. |
| 21:13.22 | bbelt16ag | i am in a cloud atm |
| 21:13.22 | r0tu | Sarge... though it's before anything to do with distro |
| 21:13.25 | bbelt16ag | dang cold |
| 21:13.27 | bbelt16ag | i cant think |
| 21:13.28 | yusuke2 | thats awesome dendrite |
| 21:13.31 | yusuke2 | thats the best advice right there |
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| 21:13.35 | stew | yusuke2: ubuntu and kubuntu, which i recommended to you previously come in livecd versions |
| 21:13.36 | peterS | yusuke2: you can download a live CD from Knoppix or for that matter I think the current Ubuntu installer is also a live CD |
| 21:13.39 | itchi | mirak: Yeah, because you have not install it the right way. My card looks a little bit differents http://pastebin.ca/247755 |
| 21:13.42 | pickcoder | BucWheat: I'm not going to tell you to go ahead and compile libusb from source. Keep in mind, that if you change files that dpkg expects to be there, you're asking for trouble. |
| 21:13.51 | yusuke2 | I forgot about that, I remember back in the day we did it with floppies but they were very very limited |
| 21:13.55 | Cooner750 | Hello. What version of Gtk does Sarge install if you select 'Desktop Enviroment' at the install? |
| 21:14.01 | azeem | Cooner750: 2 |
| 21:14.05 | pickcoder | don't expect to be able to use apt-get upgrade in the future if you do it |
| 21:14.09 | BucWheat | pickcoder i currently run apache2, ltsp, mysql4, perl, and 2.6.8-2-686 kernel |
| 21:14.14 | Cooner750 | Ok, how come I never have any luck with Gtk 2.x themes working right? |
| 21:14.20 | peterS | Cooner750: specifically 2.6 |
| 21:14.23 | yusuke2 | is it safe to talk about azureus in here? |
| 21:14.31 | azeem | Cooner750: I don't know |
| 21:14.35 | BucWheat | pickcoder if i upgrade to etch how will the apps i listed above be affected? |
| 21:14.38 | mirak | itchi: I have both lines, I just pasted one |
| 21:14.39 | itchi | mirak: Try to deinstall the ATI driver |
| 21:14.44 | r0tu | ?? So do you think you would be able to help ? |
| 21:14.46 | pickcoder | BucWheat: someone here with packaging knowledge may be able to help you package the new source |
| 21:14.46 | jelly-home | yusuke2: is it a debian package? |
| 21:14.47 | peterS | yusuke2: we use bittorrent, it's useful for a lot of things that aren't illegal |
| 21:14.47 | itchi | mirak: Yup, me to |
| 21:14.51 | azeem | yusuke2: this is a support channel, not a general talk channel |
| 21:14.53 | mirak | itchi: we don't have same chipset |
| 21:15.01 | BucWheat | pickcoder the new libusb source? |
| 21:15.01 | pickcoder | BucWheat: be very weary of dependencies, though |
| 21:15.01 | yusuke2 | if I type in debian live cd |
| 21:15.03 | azeem | yusuke2: so if you have specific support questions, sure |
| 21:15.06 | yusuke2 | am I going to get what I need? |
| 21:15.18 | bbelt16ag | GRRRR |
| 21:15.18 | Guerin | !htfswk yusuke2 |
| 21:15.19 | dpkg | yusuke2: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 21:15.22 | itchi | mirak: Looks like, hhhm |
| 21:15.24 | azeem | yusuke2: don't you think that question is too trivial to answer? |
| 21:15.25 | peterS | yusuke2: easier just to download from HTTP servers. type it into google and see what comes up |
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| 21:15.26 | mirak | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/247756 |
| 21:15.29 | azeem | yusuke2: why don't you try it? |
| 21:15.30 | pickcoder | BucWheat: yes... you can build packages from source |
| 21:15.31 | bbelt16ag | ok its not in stable WHY?? |
| 21:15.35 | BucWheat | pickcoder how can i keep my current kernel and upgrade to "etch" ? |
| 21:15.39 | yusuke2 | ok ok |
| 21:15.39 | bbelt16ag | .... |
| 21:15.44 | bbelt16ag | i wanna play quake dang it! |
| 21:15.47 | BucWheat | pickcoder along with other apps i have installed |
| 21:15.47 | yusuke2 | does the live cd have x window? |
| 21:15.55 | azeem | yusuke2: there is no "the live cd" |
| 21:15.55 | tralala | yusuke2, I suppose most of the live cds will have an ftp daemon |
| 21:15.56 | itchi | mirak: Just wondering, how old is that card? |
| 21:15.58 | pickcoder | BucWheat: you can get a newer kernel with Etch |
| 21:15.59 | mirak | itchi: I have seen bug reports of people with 9600 with same chipset revision. I know it doesn't do that on all 9600 |
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| 21:16.02 | pickcoder | and your apps won't change |
| 21:16.06 | mirak | itchi: I bought it last year |
| 21:16.06 | pickcoder | expect maybe newer versions |
| 21:16.07 | r0tu | Anyone here know about the kernel boot process? I'm having an issue right at the start, just after it decompresses and don't know what direction to go in to solve this particular issue |
| 21:16.08 | azeem | there are various differnet Debian based live cds, and they all have X |
| 21:16.10 | peterS | bbelt16ag: what, azureus? it's in contrib, not in debian, because it requires a Sun Java environment |
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| 21:16.20 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 21:16.22 | BucWheat | pickcoder ok. how do i upgrade to etch? i have my critical system files backed up |
| 21:16.22 | stew | r0tu: are you using a stock kernel or a custom kerenl? what version/ |
| 21:16.22 | bbelt16ag | libXxf86dga.so.1 |
| 21:16.26 | mirak | itchi: 2005 august |
| 21:16.27 | pickcoder | packages.debian.org has information on all versions with package versions |
| 21:16.28 | azeem | Guerin: /ignore |
| 21:16.29 | azeem | :P |
| 21:16.33 | itchi | mirak: Mine is a bit more than 2 years old |
| 21:16.37 | BucWheat | pickcoder when etch goes final how will i update from testing to stable? |
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| 21:16.45 | cydork | !tell bbelt16ag -about search |
| 21:16.49 | pickcoder | etch will still be etch |
| 21:16.52 | pickcoder | in sources.list |
| 21:17.02 | peterS | BucWheat: if you have 'etch' in your sources.list file, you just 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade' as usual |
| 21:17.03 | pickcoder | don't use "testing" |
| 21:17.09 | tralala | yusuke2, did you know that you can install cygwin on windows and have linux-like environment (and run ftp) under windows? |
| 21:17.10 | yusuke2 | im sorry i looked a way and its gotten hectic |
| 21:17.19 | peterS | BucWheat: if you have 'testing' in there, change it to 'etch' so it will stop at stable rather than moving on to the _next_ testing |
| 21:17.21 | Cooner750 | Even though Gtk 2.6 is installed, Sarge still has an ancient version of Gnome, correct? |
| 21:17.21 | azeem | bbelt16ag: why do you think it should be in stable? |
| 21:17.25 | yusuke2 | yah but its not the linux kernel? |
| 21:17.28 | azeem | Cooner750: 2.8 |
| 21:17.35 | tralala | so what? |
| 21:17.41 | bbelt16ag | so i can play quake w/o having to change anything |
| 21:17.45 | dendrite | yusuke2: What's not the linux kernel? |
| 21:17.47 | Guerin | yusuke2: or you could just install filezilla on windows |
| 21:17.53 | john83 | what would I do to let people login like they were at the console over a VNC connection ? |
| 21:17.55 | r0tu | stew: I'm using 2.6.18, compiled it on Sarge Stable using 'make-kpkg kernel-image modules-image', then 'dpkg -i kernel...' it shows up in grub fine, old kernel still boots fine |
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| 21:18.05 | sandman | Is Xen legally allowed to run windows yet? |
| 21:18.19 | itchi | mirak: ATI deinstalled? |
| 21:18.19 | simonrvn | john83: use ssh instead |
| 21:18.19 | yusuke2 | dendrite im sorry I cant keep up the room si spamming too fast for me now lol |
| 21:18.19 | stew | r0tu: did you build an initrd kernel? |
| 21:18.19 | Guerin | yusuke2: then yoiu wouldn't have to even read any documentation, and would have a siny gui for all your config needs! |
| 21:18.21 | BucWheat | peterS so if i'm running sarge now and want to upgrade to etch what is the process for doing so? |
| 21:18.27 | azeem | yusuke2: then come back tomorrow |
| 21:18.29 | Cooner750 | Is Gnome 2.16 available on unstable? |
| 21:18.32 | simonrvn | !room |
| 21:18.32 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 21:18.32 | Guerin | stew: probably never will be, until it can run an unmodified OS |
| 21:18.34 | azeem | Cooner750: no |
| 21:18.35 | Guerin | vah |
| 21:18.41 | Cooner750 | Is it possible to install 2.16? |
| 21:18.42 | peterS | BucWheat: change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' in /etc/apt/sources.list. then the old 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 21:18.44 | itchi | mirak: There is an ./uninstall way, just not more remember exactly the name of it |
| 21:18.45 | Guerin | sandman: probably never will be, until it can run an unmodified OS |
| 21:18.47 | azeem | Cooner750: no |
| 21:18.55 | Cooner750 | I dont care about unstable-ness, it's just to mess around with :P |
| 21:18.55 | azeem | Cooner750: actually, it has parts of 2.16 |
| 21:18.57 | simonrvn | not on sarge |
| 21:19.04 | azeem | "it" == unstable |
| 21:19.18 | simonrvn | parts being the kyword |
| 21:19.18 | tralala | BucWheat, wiki.debian.org has an upgrade page |
| 21:19.21 | simonrvn | key* |
| 21:19.30 | mirak | itchi: I follow the procedure, I don't see why it would work for the other and not me. |
| 21:19.34 | BucWheat | peterS ok. do you know how to build packages from source? i'm goig to use upgrading to etch as last resort |
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| 21:19.55 | mirak | itchi: also since it happens on other distributions like gentoo, I don't think it's an install procedure problem |
| 21:20.00 | itchi | mirak: The ATI way _not_ work!! |
| 21:20.03 | peterS | BucWheat: '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' for the easy cases. |
| 21:20.08 | r0tu | stew: I get Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel... then BIOS-provided physical RAM map: <then a bunch of lines with memory listings> then a line that sais "Warning only 896MB will be used",.... then frozen |
| 21:20.18 | tralala | BucWheat, what do you want to install? Did you check bpo already? |
| 21:20.22 | itchi | mirak: Read back your mail; these have say it ;-) |
| 21:20.24 | BucWheat | peterS its for the latest libusb and there is no backport for it |
| 21:20.36 | BucWheat | tralala latest libusb and there is no backport for it |
| 21:20.51 | jelly-home | BucWheat: sounds reasonably simple. |
| 21:20.55 | tralala | okay, then check the factoid peterS is giving you |
| 21:20.55 | itchi | mirak: I not know more to tell you, just do not use that ATI installer. Deinstall that crap and do it the Debian way |
| 21:20.56 | peterS | BucWheat: so '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' and try that procedure. in simple cases it will work. for more complex cases you have to dig in and fix a few things to make it work |
| 21:20.59 | yusuke2 | hey you guys have been super informative thank you |
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| 21:21.12 | tralala | !customer |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:21.15 | stew | r0tu: did you build an initrd kernel? what is the last line before it stops? VFS: can't mount root? |
| 21:21.16 | yusuke2 | well most of you at least, im sorry though I still didnt see an answer, does the live cd have xwindow? |
| 21:21.24 | peterS | yusuke2: yes |
| 21:21.25 | simonrvn | #debian is concentrated braininess |
| 21:21.26 | BucWheat | peterS ok |
| 21:21.27 | itchi | mirak: I'm a bit affraid and hope that crap have not broken your system |
| 21:21.33 | Guerin | !fgi yusuke2 live+cd+x |
| 21:21.33 | dpkg | yusuke2: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=live+cd+x |
| 21:21.35 | azeem | 22:06 < azeem> yusuke2: there is no "the live cd" |
| 21:21.38 | azeem | 22:06 < azeem> there are various differnet Debian based live cds, and they all have X |
| 21:21.38 | SmallR2003 | moshii, no quota, no filter (tmk) what news feeds? |
| 21:21.39 | peterS | yusuke2: nobody would put up with a live CD that didn't have graphics, nowadays |
| 21:21.44 | dendrite | yusuke2: "16:15 < azeem> there are various differnet Debian based live cds, and they all have X" |
| 21:21.45 | r0tu | stew: the last line is the "warning only 896MB will be used" |
| 21:21.46 | jelly-home | yusuke2: err... Debian currently has no own live cd. |
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| 21:22.01 | r0tu | stew: how do I build an "initrd kernel" |
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| 21:22.09 | dendrite | jelly-home: What about http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ ? |
| 21:22.11 | r0tu | stew: and what is it |
| 21:22.15 | yusuke2 | see peter I dont know that, Im downloading an iso but it has no information on the torret so I ask but some people with bugs up their ass like Guerin cant handle a silly question |
| 21:22.15 | tralala | Guerin, feeling the nostalgy of the old #debian days? |
| 21:22.20 | peterS | azeem: hmmm, does lnx-bbc have X? last I knew, they did not, but that was a long time ago. I believe they are vaguely debian-based. |
| 21:22.36 | Guerin | tralala: why would I be? |
| 21:22.39 | moshii | SmallR2003: telewest carry full binary feeds etc |
| 21:22.42 | azeem | peterS: for small values of "all" |
| 21:22.44 | BucWheat | peterS wouldn't that be sid instead of etch? |
| 21:22.44 | calestyo | hi... can someone please tell me how to find out the current dma mode from a harddisk (it does not work via dmesg because this shows only the dma-mode at boot time) |
| 21:22.51 | itchi | mirak: In another way, if you get that ATI installer working, let us know, i pay you an beer ;-) |
| 21:22.51 | peterS | yusuke2: as azeem said, there are lots of live CDs, debian doesn't have one specific official one. do you know which one you're getting? |
| 21:22.54 | BucWheat | err etch instead of sid |
| 21:23.05 | peterS | BucWheat: it's the same principle |
| 21:23.07 | jelly-home | dendrite: I don't know about that. |
| 21:23.21 | tralala | Guerin, admit it already - you're greycat under cover! |
| 21:23.29 | dendrite | jelly-home: It looks promising, in any case. =)] |
| 21:23.31 | stew | r0tu: if you built your own kernel and don't know what an initrd is, you didn't use one, I'd recommend trying a backported kernel package from bpo: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:23.35 | Guerin | tralala: hah |
| 21:23.43 | jelly-home | dendrite: so does ubuntu or knoppix <grin> |
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| 21:23.59 | dendrite | jelly-home: Ummmm... Yeah.... =) |
| 21:24.02 | BucWheat | peterS ok |
| 21:24.05 | mirak | itchi: what do you mean ? |
| 21:24.19 | mirak | itchi: the installer just create debs |
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| 21:24.32 | itchi | mirak: If you get your 3D working be installing that ATI installer, i pay you an king size beer |
| 21:24.44 | withaY | anyone have any recommendations on server change mgmt software? preferably browser-based. |
| 21:24.52 | itchi | mirak: Yup; but it does not work right |
| 21:24.59 | Guerin | withaY: wtf is server change mgmt software? |
| 21:25.02 | calestyo | abrotman: hi :) |
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| 21:25.07 | r0tu | stew: why doesn't just the original kernel work with it? |
| 21:25.18 | simonrvn | obox update... gotta log outta x... *sigh* |
| 21:25.24 | stew | r0tu: what do you mean by original? the one you built? |
| 21:25.25 | peterS | withaY: server change management software? what is that? change management software sounds like version control software in which case you can pick subversion, bazaar-ng, mercurial, darcs, or others |
| 21:25.26 | simonrvn | wth |
| 21:25.42 | cbr | is Iceweasel going to be in etch? |
| 21:25.44 | itchi | mirak: That was the /old/ way to do it |
| 21:25.46 | Guerin | peterS: i think he measn $20 - $17.46 leaves .... ummm. ... |
| 21:25.51 | withaY | Guerin: basically logs everything you've done to a server. ie, installed x, y, z; modified y.conf file; etc. |
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| 21:25.52 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
| 21:26.10 | withaY | well, doesn't log automatically. you have to put in what you've done. |
| 21:26.12 | nst | my ps/2 mouse doesnt work, i've already try to perform "cat /dev/ttys0 1 2 3 4" ... "ls -al /dev/mouse" and nothing found...anyone could help me? |
| 21:26.19 | mirak | itchi: it works |
| 21:26.21 | BucWheat | peterS where might i find the sources for etch ? |
| 21:26.23 | abrotman | calestyo: hi ? |
| 21:26.33 | calestyo | abrotman: do you remember my memory issue? |
| 21:26.35 | mirak | itchi: but I need to rebuild kernel without radeon.ko |
| 21:26.42 | itchi | mirak: Maybe, 'worked' |
| 21:26.48 | r0tu | stew: I mean the one I downloaded off of kernel.orhg |
| 21:26.48 | withaY | i used to have a big list of change mgmt software, but apparently i didn't bookmark it. |
| 21:26.48 | Guerin | withaY: not aware of any such, but you can point your browser at root's .bash_history |
| 21:26.53 | peterS | BucWheat: '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' tells you that already |
| 21:27.01 | mirak | itchi: it works I did it one weak ago |
| 21:27.03 | amphi | mirak: why? |
| 21:27.04 | mirak | two |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | calestyo: yep |
| 21:27.09 | calestyo | abrotman: with memtest86+ |
| 21:27.18 | peterS | BucWheat: I'm beginning to suspect you didn't read that |
| 21:27.25 | cbr | !blah |
| 21:27.25 | dpkg | bleh means insert appropriate value here. see bleh, or meh |
| 21:27.30 | cbr | !iceweasel |
| 21:27.31 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 21:27.35 | itchi | mirak: Do it that way, upgrade your kernel and again troubles |
| 21:27.37 | abrotman | calestyo: what was the issue ? |
| 21:27.43 | calestyo | abrotman: after some enormous amount of testing i found out that the problem has to do with the DMA mode of the disk drives (not with memory itself at all) |
| 21:27.57 | jazzmans | cbr, what about mozilla-navigator? |
| 21:27.57 | abrotman | whoa .. that's not cool :) |
| 21:28.05 | stew | r0tu: i don't know. i'm guessing that a debian-built kernel has a better chance of working, and if it works or it doesn't work it would give us more information about why yours isn't working |
| 21:28.07 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 21:28.07 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 21:28.07 | calestyo | abrotman: but I have not yet an solution, except disabling dma,.. which is of course not really acceptable |
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| 21:28.18 | abrotman | calestyo: use SCSI ? :) |
| 21:28.18 | moshii | calestyo: bad chipset on the mobo? |
| 21:28.25 | abrotman | calestyo: any chance for a firmware update ? |
| 21:28.36 | BucWheat | peterS i'm reading it now and it says add a deb-src for sid in sources.lst |
| 21:28.54 | peterS | BucWheat: so, uh, I said it's the same principle. add a deb-src for etch in sources.list. |
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| 21:29.15 | calestyo | abrotman: moshii: I don't know,.. I've already contacted tyan,... but the thing is,.. it seems that with slower dma modes (currently try to produce the error with udma66) does not occur |
| 21:29.29 | mirak | itchi: better than nothing |
| 21:29.35 | calestyo | abrotman: what do you mean? bios update? or firmware of the hdd? |
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| 21:29.44 | abrotman | calestyo: i doubt you can flash the HDD :) |
| 21:29.57 | amigrave | someone knows if there's a pdf library in debian that allows to read/parse pdf files ? Extract streams - fonts, images, texts, ... ? |
| 21:29.57 | abrotman | calestyo: which kernel was this ? |
| 21:29.59 | peterS | calestyo: modern hard drives can't physically talk to their platters than udma66 anyway, so there isn't all that much point in udma100 and udma133, IMO |
| 21:30.01 | itchi | mirak: Last time i did an install of an ATI was 13 days ago |
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| 21:30.24 | calestyo | abrotman: actually you can do so,.. at least with ibm hitachi,... but they do not generally offer newer versions,.. only for particular problems |
| 21:30.26 | leleobhz | hello all! |
| 21:30.32 | peterS | faster. |
| 21:30.35 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:30.41 | calestyo | abrotman: 2.6.18.2 (but it happens at least with 2.6.12 too) |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | okay .. just wondering |
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| 21:31.07 | yggdrasil | hi can somone recomend a linux compatil voip provider ? |
| 21:31.18 | bbelt16ag | this sucks |
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| 21:31.28 | bbelt16ag | i cant use stable and play games ... |
| 21:31.31 | moshii | calestyo: you might want to check that pci devices aren't breaking your dma too |
| 21:31.34 | stew | yggdrasil: http://voip-info.org has lots of information |
| 21:31.39 | mirak | itchi: nvidia support is better but that's still closed |
| 21:31.45 | calestyo | moshii: how can I check this? |
| 21:31.49 | yggdrasil | thanks stew |
| 21:31.51 | mirak | itchi: with nvidia we can us hardware dcompression at least |
| 21:31.53 | itchi | mirak: Heh, ATI not? |
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| 21:31.57 | Cooner750 | If I want to use Debian Testing in the netinst format for an x86 PC, I want to download 'debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso', correct? |
| 21:32.07 | moshii | calestyo: I had a tv card that would cause the idea chip on the motherboard to corrupt everything |
| 21:32.10 | pumpkin0 | Cooner750: right. |
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| 21:32.17 | itchi | mirak: Nvidea are at my eyes also a bit better compatible |
| 21:32.22 | moshii | calestyo: take any expansion out and see if it improves |
| 21:32.22 | calestyo | moshii: which card was that? |
| 21:32.25 | Cooner750 | I'm just curious to see what it's like :) |
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| 21:32.33 | peterS | Cooner750: images of that name don't specify when they were built. you want specifically etch beta 3, or specifically the latest daily build. make sure you know which one you're getting |
| 21:32.34 | haluz | hi, how can turn off mouse auto focus in X11? |
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| 21:32.49 | jnguy | haluz: its a window manager setting. |
| 21:32.52 | tralala | haluz, this is a WM setting |
| 21:32.54 | pumpkin0 | Cooner750: or update after installing. |
| 21:34.05 | azeem | peterS: beta3 is broken by now I thought |
| 21:34.08 | pumpkin0 | haluz: do you use KDE or gnome or icewm .... ? |
| 21:34.35 | peterS | azeem: I meant rc3 |
| 21:34.35 | azeem | rc1? |
| 21:34.38 | calestyo | moshii: did you read? could you pleas tell me which tv card caused that trouble? |
| 21:34.40 | peterS | wait, maybe I'm totally confused about names |
| 21:34.42 | yusuke2 | tralal do you accept pms? |
| 21:34.46 | BucWheat | peterS is this ok: deb-src ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib ? |
| 21:34.48 | azeem | rc1 isn't out yet |
| 21:34.55 | peterS | BucWheat: if 'apt-get update' works, then it's ok. |
| 21:34.57 | haluz | it's for gimpshop in mac osx..... |
| 21:35.06 | azeem | beta3 is still the latest release, but due to the preperations for rc1, the archive is broken if you just have a netinst I believe |
| 21:35.14 | peterS | BucWheat: I can't be bothered to see if you've made any typos, but 'apt-get update' (or 'aptitude update') will let you know if it can't find the indexes |
| 21:35.28 | tralala | yusuke2, only from registered users and anyway you should stay on the channel |
| 21:35.30 | leleobhz | someone can helpme to change the packager name from a source/ |
| 21:35.37 | sandman | How does one configure the "pager", as in regards to apt-listchanges? (dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges allows you the options of specifying the results of apt-listchanges via pager) |
| 21:35.40 | yusuke2 | I meant for future reference |
| 21:35.49 | pumpkin0 | BucWheat: that is only soucres, if that is your only line => you will have to compile everything yourself. |
| 21:35.54 | yusuke2 | when trying to get detailed help with something, its hard to keep up if the room is very active lol |
| 21:35.55 | moshii | calestyo: sorry mate, this shell is slow .. um was a wintv IIRC |
| 21:36.03 | peterS | sandman: probably the same way you change the pager for any other program, 'export PAGER=less' or whatever |
| 21:36.21 | calestyo | moshii: interesting,.. I'm using a hauppage dual dvb-t card... |
| 21:36.28 | moshii | calestyo: and it was a board with a very dodgy via chipset, ask any amigaone owner about via chipsets :( |
| 21:36.29 | azeem | yusuke2: don't bug individuals |
| 21:36.42 | azeem | yusuke2: if you want individual support, buy a consultant |
| 21:36.52 | yusuke2 | that anal side is comming out lol |
| 21:37.04 | yusuke2 | if some one wants to help me in a pm instead of openly on the chat im not going to say no :) |
| 21:37.07 | azeem | yusuke2: no, it's just telling you to be polite |
| 21:37.08 | calestyo | moshii: but anyway I wonder why it would work in slower UDMA modes... |
| 21:37.11 | pumpkin0 | is there a _simple_ way to limit a eth-interface to X KB/s but exclude DNS-requests from that limit ? |
| 21:37.14 | moshii | calestyo: look in your motherboard manual, you may be able to move the card oof of the same bus as your ATA controller by moving it to a different slot :) |
| 21:38.14 | pumpkin0 | calestyo: wrong cable-type ? |
| 21:38.19 | tralala | yusuke2, one good reason to keep it public is that others can learn something from the answers of your questions\ |
| 21:38.25 | stew | pumpkin0: have a look at wondershaper |
| 21:39.05 | yusuke2 | I understand that tralala but sometimes you need to not have 50 breaks inbetween each typed message, I often times have to go to PM to help people in the azureus channel |
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| 21:39.28 | calestyo | moshii: pumpkin0: well,.. it's an 80wire cable,.. and the cable is even an shielded roundcable,... anyway,.. perhaps I should inform you that the error also occurs on an sata II drive... |
| 21:39.31 | pumpkin0 | stew: looks good, testing now. |
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| 21:40.12 | tralala | yusuke2, picking a good irc client and learning how to use it helps a lot |
| 21:40.19 | azeem | yusuke2: then adopt to here |
| 21:40.26 | moshii | calestyo: sounds like bad chipset or drivers then |
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| 21:40.36 | azeem | yusuke2: or try #debian on irc.debian.org, which is slightly less crowded |
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| 21:40.48 | keyboarder | how can i set the language of my debian? it changed somehow from english... |
| 21:40.53 | moshii | calestyo: and I hate rounded cables, unless they're good quality they also cause corruption |
| 21:40.54 | yusuke2 | but I like you guys sooo much :) |
| 21:41.12 | zinx | moshii: SATA ftw |
| 21:41.18 | peterS | keyboarder: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:41.37 | Ick | my rar program doesn't work |
| 21:41.43 | Ick | i installed unrar |
| 21:41.51 | Ick | and it refuses to extract the archive |
| 21:41.51 | calestyo | moshii: of course I'd hope it's a driver error ;) ... but if the hardware would be defect,.. wouldn't that also render lower udma modes defective? |
| 21:41.54 | moshii | zinx: I do like sata, nice cabling :) |
| 21:42.08 | tralala | Ick, the unrar in debian doesn't support the latest version of the archives |
| 21:42.21 | Ick | tralala: how do i remedy that? |
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| 21:43.10 | keyboarder | peterS and how to set up, english language, but hungarian keyboard layout? |
| 21:43.10 | peterS | calestyo: not necessarily, lower signaling rates are often more tolerant of faulty hardware |
| 21:43.10 | moshii | calestyo: no, lower modes might work even if the chipset is totally screwed |
| 21:43.10 | Ick | keyboarder: are you using KDE or GNOME? |
| 21:43.10 | tralala | Ick, the best solution - don't use rar. The worst - use rar.exe from the winrar package under wine. |
| 21:43.11 | Guerin | Ick: use unrar binary from rarlabs.de. |
| 21:43.11 | peterS | keyboarder: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:43.16 | Guerin | Ick: it's not free software, so debian can't distribute it. |
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| 21:43.30 | Ick | the person packaged the new bloc party album in rar |
| 21:43.31 | Guerin | but since rar has no real legal us anyhow ... |
| 21:43.35 | itchi | Ick: Try with 'unp' or '7-zip'? |
| 21:43.51 | Guerin | you willingly download and listen to 'block party' albums? |
| 21:43.57 | calestyo | moshii: peterS: ok,. bad,.. and is it likely that this would be a general error in the chipset or just a single damage (to mine),.. and is it likely that it would affect both IDE and sata? |
| 21:43.58 | Ick | it's for a girl |
| 21:43.59 | Ick | sigh |
| 21:44.03 | Guerin | unp only works if it has an unrar binary |
| 21:44.32 | stew | Ick: this network is not the place to seek for help pirating copyrighted material |
| 21:44.38 | itchi | Guerin: For other compression formats that is not the same cas? |
| 21:44.43 | itchi | s/cas/case |
| 21:44.44 | peterS | calestyo: I dunno, it seems like the most likely bit of marginal hardware in the system is the cable going to the disk, so it would affect whichever of your cables is faulty |
| 21:44.49 | Ick | stew: it's a backup she made and is now unable to open |
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| 21:45.07 | BucWheat | peterS after apt-get update; i do apt-cache search libusb and i get the same old version that i have with sarge. what gives? |
| 21:45.12 | itchi | Ick: Can she open that in wintendo? |
| 21:45.18 | Guerin | Ick: unp is a script which figures out the format of an archive and calls the appropriate decompressor |
| 21:45.21 | Guerin | or something like that |
| 21:45.27 | BucWheat | peterS when i do apt-get build-dep libusb i get E: Build-Depends dependency for libusb cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 21:45.37 | Ick | itchi: installing new programs is verboten by her admin |
| 21:46.00 | peterS | BucWheat: weird, I'm showing that sarge has 0.1.10a and etch has 0.1.12 |
| 21:46.28 | itchi | Ick: 7zip should be do the trick maybe? |
| 21:46.39 | john83 | how do I install a vncserver that is always running, so that someone can connect over vnc as if they were at the console? |
| 21:46.48 | calestyo | peterS: moshii: hmm,.. well right now I'm having two threads on lkml,... and I hope that perhaps those people might have some further testing advices or solutions but thx anyway :) |
| 21:46.55 | Ick | itchi: can't find package |
| 21:46.58 | Guerin | wtf |
| 21:47.00 | itchi | Ick: Not install it, it's an exe (on wintendo) that you not need to install, nor registry etc... |
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| 21:47.40 | itchi | Ick: For Sarge it is in the Backports |
| 21:47.40 | peterS | BucWheat: the debhelper problem would be that the maintainer has moved on to debhelper 5 (sarge only has debhelper 4). it's a small interface change for the files in the debian/ directory, you can set it back to debhelper 4 (in debian/compat and debian/control) and hope for the best, but they might actually be using something dh5-specific |
| 21:47.40 | calestyo | peterS: moshii: ah,... and one last thing,.. do you know how to find out the current udma mode (dmes shows only the one that was used when booting),... and how to disable dma for sata? |
| 21:47.45 | keyboarder | somebody got the bug a bug in etch, like the kde control center is empty??? |
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| 21:48.13 | enouf | calestyo: hdparm -I /dev/hdX |
| 21:48.39 | yusuke2 | ive always won dered why it never became taboo to park in a channel |
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| 21:49.02 | dendrite | yusuke2: Why would it? |
| 21:49.02 | azeem | yusuke2: park? |
| 21:49.07 | Guerin | yusuke2: why would it? |
| 21:49.10 | peterS | yusuke2: it doesn't do any harm to have 700 people idle in here |
| 21:49.14 | StarWars | i dont finde my php5 module http://pastebin.ca/247784 |
| 21:49.19 | Guerin | yusuke2: unlike in real life, you don't take up any resources |
| 21:49.32 | StarWars | i geast install php5 cli. i run php -v and is no theer . |
| 21:49.34 | tralala | s/people/bot suspects/ |
| 21:49.42 | yusuke2 | and guerin with his infinite wisdom lol |
| 21:49.46 | peterS | tralala: very well, 700 _clients_ |
| 21:49.47 | calestyo | enouf: ahh great,.. I read the manpage but I didn't recognzie that the output of -i marks the current mode by a "*" :D |
| 21:50.00 | yusuke2 | Peter I wasnt aware that it didnt eat up any bandwidth or anything |
| 21:50.01 | azeem | yusuke2: stop trolling |
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| 21:50.17 | azeem | yusuke2: you're the newcomer here, so respect your elders |
| 21:50.23 | peterS | yusuke2: it does eat bandwidth, but that's a problem for freenode and its supporters, and they don't seem bothered |
| 21:50.32 | StarWars | abrotman i dont finde my php5 module http://pastebin.ca/247784 |
| 21:50.38 | michael23 | I have just deleted files on an ext3 fs which I didnt want to delete.is it possible to recover those? please help |
| 21:50.39 | itchi | StarWars: Try php<TABULATION> |
| 21:50.47 | enouf | calestyo: dmesg | grep -i udma will help too (swap udma with ide and/or sata and/or hd) .....also for testing read/write try hdparm -tT /dev/hdX or /sdX .. see man sdparm |
| 21:51.00 | itchi | StarWars: StarWars tab tab probably |
| 21:51.06 | StarWars | itchi ?? i dont know what is "php<TABULATION>" |
| 21:51.11 | john83 | no one here knows anything about setting up vnc server? :( |
| 21:51.14 | Guerin | michael23: you're probably fucked, since ext3 is explicitly designed to not lose changes to a filesystem, ever. |
| 21:51.20 | itchi | StarWars: You need to know about autocompletion |
| 21:51.27 | BucWheat | peterS so i need to change something from 4 to 5 in debian/compat and debian/control? |
| 21:51.28 | yusuke2 | I respect those deserving of respect and he has been on my case since I got here, and until you chimed in the ONLY one :) |
| 21:51.32 | peterS | yusuke2: for one thing, idling in a channel for awhile before you have any questions really helps with the channel atmosphere. you get a feel for how the channel works so you don't do stupid stuff at the beginning. |
| 21:51.40 | Guerin | michael23: but unmount the filesystem and try to use 'photorec' from the 'testdisk' package |
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| 21:51.44 | jelly-home | I want to force reappearance of a debconf question in some cases in config with "db_fset stuff seen false". Do I have to do db_go after that and before the question in hand? |
| 21:51.47 | keyboarder | somebody got the bug a bug in etch, like the kde control center is full empty??? |
| 21:51.48 | itchi | StarWars: Like your irc client probably do, when you type my nick here, just do 'itch' then press the tabulation key |
| 21:51.49 | yusuke2 | thats true peter |
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| 21:51.51 | peterS | BucWheat: other way around. the package uses debhelper 5, apparently, you need to tell it to use debhelper 4. |
| 21:51.54 | keyboarder | -bug |
| 21:51.59 | Guerin | keyboarder: /msg dpkg BTS |
| 21:52.06 | stew | john83: did you install a vncserver yet? |
| 21:52.06 | wamty | What is Linux's maximum file size for a single file? |
| 21:52.10 | BucWheat | peterS where is debian/compat located? |
| 21:52.13 | Guerin | wamty: bigger than you need |
| 21:52.14 | peterS | wamty: I think 2 TB |
| 21:52.18 | azeem | wamty: that is file system specific |
| 21:52.18 | itchi | StarWars: Okay? |
| 21:52.22 | john83 | stew: I installed vnc4server or such |
| 21:52.31 | peterS | BucWheat: in the source tree of the package you are compiling |
| 21:52.32 | pumpkin0 | wamty: > 2 TB if the right kernel options are set. |
| 21:52.34 | michael23 | Guerin damn ... thought tools exist for something like that. read it somewhere |
| 21:52.42 | Guerin | michael23: they do, but not for ext3 |
| 21:52.43 | stew | john83: did you try reading /usr/share/doc/vnc4server/README.Debian? |
| 21:52.43 | itchi | StarWars: Tell it if you not understand |
| 21:52.53 | Guerin | michael23: or any other journalling filesystem, for that matter. |
| 21:53.00 | michael23 | Guerin only for ext2? |
| 21:53.06 | michael23 | crap |
| 21:53.10 | Guerin | michael23: photorec looks at the underlyuing disk, not the filesystem, so it works a bit better |
| 21:53.13 | wamty | isnt it 4 terrabyte? |
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| 21:53.27 | jelly-home | wamty: how large do you need? |
| 21:53.29 | Guerin | michael23: but you end up with a bunch of sequentially-numbered file fragments which may or may not be useful |
| 21:53.31 | wamty | old ext2 filesystems are limited to 4 gigbyte i think |
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| 21:53.41 | BucWheat | peterS i see nothing relating to libusb-0.1.12 in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 21:53.45 | john83 | stew: nope! |
| 21:53.50 | michael23 | Guerin okay thank you very much. thanks anyways :> |
| 21:54.06 | yusuke2 | hey peter, its not really related to linux but you think you could offer some help with a problem I have with a windows based ftp server? |
| 21:54.07 | peterS | BucWheat: who said /var/lib/dpkg? you mean /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 21:54.13 | yusuke2 | would be nice if I could run the server on debian and windows if need be |
| 21:54.18 | peterS | yusuke2: no, I don't know anything about windows-based ftp servers |
| 21:54.20 | Guerin | yusuke2: you're taking the piss now. |
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| 21:54.26 | pumpkin0 | wamty: there is a limit created by 32 bit and the blocksize that works out to 2 TB. That one can be broken with a kernel-option. There are other limits (fs) beyond that one. |
| 21:54.27 | Sypher | hey guys, are there any routers actually in commerce that supports openvpn natively ? |
| 21:54.27 | tralala | john83, would you like me to read it aloud for you? |
| 21:54.44 | yusuke2 | Ok peter thanks anyway the reason I asked is because I have a feeling switching to debian might not solve the problem |
| 21:54.45 | itchi | StarWars: Find? |
| 21:54.48 | john83 | tralala: yes. |
| 21:54.57 | StarWars | itchi no |
| 21:55.05 | yusuke2 | takin hte piss?? why does he even keep talking to me |
| 21:55.34 | itchi | StarWars: Have you understand the trick with the tab autocompletion? If you understand it for the irc, it will be usefull for later for in the command line interface too |
| 21:55.47 | john83 | added module to xorg.conf |
| 21:55.48 | john83 | hm |
| 21:55.56 | azeem | yusuke2: we obviously don't do Window support here |
| 21:56.04 | Sypher | no one knowns if there's a router that supports openvpn natively? :( |
| 21:56.06 | john83 | I do windoze support! |
| 21:56.07 | BucWheat | peterS ok there is no debian/ dir in that directory |
| 21:56.13 | john83 | I'm very inexpensive too <3 |
| 21:56.21 | peterS | BucWheat: if you did 'apt-get source libusb' then there should be |
| 21:56.22 | StarWars | i know how to use tab itchi |
| 21:56.28 | azeem | yusuke2: so if you solicit Windows support, that adds points to your troll-o-meter |
| 21:56.30 | peterS | BucWheat: if all you did was download a tarball and extract it with tar, then no |
| 21:56.33 | itchi | StarWars: Looks how everyone write the nicks here. The type the begin of the name and then press the tabulation key, so that it automatically complete the name and you not need to write it completely. And he add also an : on the end of the nick |
| 21:56.34 | yusuke2 | it doesnt hurt to ask |
| 21:56.36 | yusuke2 | oh no! |
| 21:56.37 | StarWars | itchi i use apt-get install php5 or php5-cli |
| 21:56.39 | yusuke2 | im a troll lol |
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| 21:56.44 | azeem | yusuke2: and in the end, we will think you're a troll and help you no more |
| 21:56.56 | itchi | StarWars: You want to make use of an webserver? |
| 21:57.03 | StarWars | yes itchi |
| 21:57.16 | yusuke2 | does this get you off?? you enjoy having power over others dont you, do you sit back in your computer chair and put your fingers together and go MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH |
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| 21:57.27 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 21:57.28 | StarWars | i must have the modul for php to run a proces to |
| 21:57.30 | BucWheat | peterS all i've done so far was follow directions from dpkg |
| 21:57.32 | itchi | StarWars: You need to install apache and the php5 module for apache |
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| 21:57.44 | Guerin | adhd is a terrible thing |
| 21:57.45 | kittonian | hi all, anyone here running daemontools? |
| 21:57.46 | BucWheat | peterS i'm going apt-get source libusb now |
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| 21:57.58 | azeem | yusuke2: please stay on topic |
| 21:58.00 | peterS | BucWheat: well, 'apt-get source libusb' would give you a libusb-0.1.12 directory in your current directory, and inside that is a debian/ directory with 'compat' and 'control'. |
| 21:58.07 | kittonian | i need to completely erase it from this system and can't find any docs on exactly how to do it |
| 21:58.21 | StarWars | i have libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 21:58.28 | dendrite | kittonian: was it installed from a debian package? |
| 21:58.31 | itchi | StarWars: I insist on it to try to learn that usefull autocompletion of the irc, shell and so |
| 21:58.32 | pumpkin0 | kittonian: apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 21:58.34 | Tuttle_ | i've heard a rumour that selinux will be available in etch stable by default. but i seem unable to google anything solid on this issue. can someone point me to some recent news, please? |
| 21:58.35 | Guerin | kittonian: aptitude purge daemontools |
| 21:58.48 | me_here | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.04 | peterS | Tuttle_: yes, we think selinux will be in etch. it will not be enabled by default. |
| 21:59.09 | itchi | StarWars: Restart the webserver now. As root user /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:59.10 | StarWars | itchi when i run apt-get i dont get any Configure file to can use Tab. |
| 21:59.10 | john83 | daemontools is a windows app .. |
| 21:59.11 | azeem | me_here: stop that |
| 21:59.21 | peterS | Tuttle_: I'm not sure whether it's _already_ in etch, but Manoj definitely plans for it to be. |
| 21:59.22 | me_here | azeem: stop whaaatt ? |
| 21:59.25 | BucWheat | peterS i'm going to change it to 4 |
| 21:59.25 | leleobhz | plz, i have created a package, and it compiles ok, but the binary arent inside |
| 21:59.28 | rhalff | Tuttle_, just install ubuntu, allready activate there I think, hmm or not :p |
| 21:59.32 | itchi | StarWars: Missunderstanding about that tabulation key i think |
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| 21:59.34 | leleobhz | someone can helpme to discover why? |
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| 21:59.49 | Tuttle_ | peterS: who is 'we' ? |
| 21:59.52 | me_here | can't stop, even if i wanted to you don't understand |
| 22:00.06 | peterS | Tuttle_: developers I've talked to about selinux in etch |
| 22:00.08 | itchi | StarWars: Open an console. And type 'cd /et' and then press the tabulation key |
| 22:00.14 | Guerin | me_here: you can BE stopped, though. |
| 22:00.14 | azeem | me_here: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:00.18 | itchi | StarWars: Without the both ' ' |
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| 22:00.26 | BucWheat | peterS made the changes and i get the same error |
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| 22:00.30 | abrotman | StarWars: libapache-mod-php5 |
| 22:00.30 | Malagmyr | How can I get samba to log when someone connects to an msdfs share? I know I can't monitor the traffic, but they do get the initial address from the samba server, and I would like to log that. |
| 22:00.37 | abrotman | StarWars: or libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 22:00.56 | me_here | Guerin: if someone who ignites the might wants to yes maybe perhaps and hopefully *sincerely yours* |
| 22:00.57 | BucWheat | changed 5 in compat to 4 and in control changed Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.22), autotools-dev, pkg-config, docbook-dsssl, jade | openjade |
| 22:01.02 | StarWars | i have libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:01.03 | itchi | abrotman: I try to show him the autocompletion; i still fail in it it's looks |
| 22:01.03 | me_here | lol |
| 22:01.09 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.11 | BucWheat | peterS that was a 5.0.22 and i changed it to 4 |
| 22:01.15 | peterS | BucWheat: 'apt-get build-dep' does not know you made those changes. you have to install the build dependencies manually. try just running 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b' |
| 22:01.22 | pumpkin0 | !tell me_here about de |
| 22:01.27 | itchi | StarWars: Apache restarted? |
| 22:01.31 | StarWars | yes |
| 22:01.32 | Tuttle_ | peterS: thanks. for instance, i've read this http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ where selinux was not surprisingly mentioned. i think seamless selinux intergration is a huge attractant. |
| 22:01.32 | Guerin | first an attention junkie with adhd .... now a retard on crack |
| 22:01.34 | peterS | BucWheat: it may or may not succeed, if not it will tell you the build dependencies it is still missing, install those by hand |
| 22:01.43 | tralala | interesting... yesterday was quite a bit less sundayish around here |
| 22:01.53 | StarWars | i dont finde php5.ini |
| 22:01.56 | kittonian | it was not installed via apt |
| 22:02.01 | kittonian | it was installed from source |
| 22:02.14 | peterS | Tuttle_: selinux is compiled into the etch kernel. you have to enable it with a boot parameter. |
| 22:02.15 | BucWheat | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5.0.22) docbook-dsssl jade | openjade |
| 22:02.16 | azeem | Guerin: if you don't like people, ignore them. Insults don't help |
| 22:02.18 | BucWheat | peterS dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5.0.22) docbook-dsssl jade | openjade |
| 22:02.25 | StarWars | normal must be in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 22:02.38 | StarWars | to use cp to php.ini-dist |
| 22:02.41 | BucWheat | those are the ones it says i need and when i apt-get install those it says they are already the latest versioon |
| 22:02.45 | peterS | BucWheat: so, uh, apparently you didn't change debian/control after all, it still thinks you need debhelper 5 |
| 22:02.48 | pumpkin0 | kittonian: no luck. the only/best thing to do is recompile and install into a fakeroot. Then remove the files one-by-one. |
| 22:02.52 | kittonian | i thought I deleted everything but there's still something that it running constantly trying to call /command/svscanboot |
| 22:02.56 | peterS | BucWheat: anyway, 'apt-get install debhelper docbook-dsssl jade' |
| 22:02.56 | Tuttle_ | peterS: it is disabled by default also for the reason some widely used packaged have problems with it? |
| 22:02.59 | dendrite | kittonian: Then maybe the makefile has an uninstall target. Another option is to re-install from same source but this time use checkinstall, to create a package. Then you can apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 22:03.00 | azeem | BucWheat: maybe there is debian/control.in you need to change |
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| 22:03.21 | kittonian | i don't have the source anymore. this was installed years ago |
| 22:03.23 | peterS | Tuttle_: correct, many packages such as exim4, which is installed by default, still don't support selinux |
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| 22:03.38 | kittonian | i'm trying to clean off this server and this has cause a major issue |
| 22:03.39 | Tuttle_ | peterS: i'd vote for a postfix change :-) |
| 22:03.42 | pumpkin0 | kittonian: did you check the /etc/initd-scripts ? |
| 22:03.46 | john83 | opera pwns j00 |
| 22:03.50 | itchi | StarWars: Make an file somethings like 'php_info.php' and add there the content: <?php phpinfo() ?> then point with your browser to that file |
| 22:04.05 | peterS | Tuttle_: heh. too much momentum for that, I'm afraid. anyway, at least last I heard, someone needs to write a selinux policy file for exim4. |
| 22:04.09 | itchi | StarWars: That will show you some info and so you also know if php is working |
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| 22:04.46 | kittonian | pumpkin0, yes, there is nothing in there |
| 22:04.59 | peterS | Tuttle_: so the kernel supports selinux in etch. the question is whether you'll be able to just enable selinux and seamlessly keep using your computer. that's the part that's still a bit in doubt. |
| 22:05.04 | pumpkin0 | kittonian: anything in the crontabs ? |
| 22:05.22 | kittonian | nope |
| 22:05.39 | pumpkin0 | kittonian: i´m running out of ideas: pstree ? |
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| 22:05.54 | dendrite | kittonian: Maybe the 'cruft' tool can help you find stray objects. |
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| 22:06.05 | kittonian | the exact error that is showing up is: INIT: cannot execute "/command/svscanboot" |
| 22:06.15 | StarWars | PHP no install http://pastebin.ca/247807 |
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| 22:06.25 | kittonian | and INIT: Id "SV" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 22:06.26 | mikel28 | how can i list what irq's are in use? |
| 22:06.37 | tralala | kittonian, then it's in inittab |
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| 22:07.15 | tralala | mikel28, cat /proc/interrupts |
| 22:07.22 | peterS | kittonian: /command/svscanboot? wtf is that? grep SV /etc/inittab |
| 22:07.24 | pumpkin0 | kittonian: did you think about reinstalling the whole server ?.. |
| 22:07.25 | kittonian | tralala: yup that's where it was, do I have to reboot or something after modifying that file? |
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| 22:07.47 | tralala | kittonian, no - this is _not_ windows. All you need to do is telinit q |
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| 22:08.22 | kittonian | tralala: thanks I've never manually edited that file before |
| 22:08.24 | cerel | hello all, i'm having a problem with the ati drivers, i can't get the direct rendering to work, a "dmesg | grep agp" shows the agpgart module detects my chipset, but a "dmesg | grep drm" shows nothing ..., is there a "drm module" i need to install ? (i've installed the fglrx-driver, fglrx-kernel-src from non-free), So, can anyone help me ? |
| 22:08.33 | enouf | pumpkin0: daemontools is a windows thing afaik |
| 22:08.35 | Tuttle_ | peterS: well, i just wished to run protected debian server with postfix+amavix+clam+sa, dovecot, apache, pgsql, ssh... usual i think. i hope it will work. thank you |
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| 22:09.07 | pumpkin0 | enouf: it also exists on linux ... but i have not seen it for a looonnnnggggg time. |
| 22:09.09 | kittonian | enouf, you are thinking of a different daemontools. daemontools as i am talking about is created by dan bernstein and goes along with a proper qmail installation |
| 22:09.14 | Guerin | azeem: i disagree. Trolls come more readily into the open with a bit of trollbait. |
| 22:09.29 | tralala | !drxx cerel |
| 22:09.29 | dpkg | cerel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:09.29 | enouf | stands corrected on two counts |
| 22:09.50 | Guerin | kittonian: how did you install it? |
| 22:09.59 | kittonian | Guerin, from source |
| 22:10.00 | tralala | cerel, you will be asked for DRM when you do that |
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| 22:10.18 | Guerin | kittonian: if it'stypical DJBware it'll all be in /var, so you could just start deleting things in there |
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| 22:10.38 | kittonian | Guerin, it's all deleted already. i just didn't realize that there was a line in inittab |
| 22:10.45 | kittonian | thanks all |
| 22:10.52 | Guerin | gods, qmail is evil |
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| 22:11.17 | stew | i only very recently looked at the qmail license. it is indeed nasty |
| 22:11.24 | tralala | note to self: do not ever try qmail |
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| 22:11.50 | enouf | passes out tralala 's nootes |
| 22:11.59 | itchi | StarWars: You need the 'php5' package |
| 22:12.15 | Guerin | no? |
| 22:12.22 | Guerin | maybe the forces of sanity ARE winning after all. |
| 22:12.35 | tralala | Guerin, utopist! |
| 22:12.38 | cerel | i've already configured my xorg.conf with the fglrx driver, but i have this error msg : "AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __glXFindDRIScreen)", and then "AIGLX: reverting to software rendering" |
| 22:12.46 | Guerin | tralala: bigwordist! |
| 22:12.51 | streuner | Guerin: let's try something else ;-) |
| 22:12.55 | mikel28 | thanks tralala :-)) |
| 22:12.56 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 22:12.57 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
| 22:13.12 | tralala | hehe |
| 22:13.31 | john83 | ok, I am halfway there.. anyone here setup vnc? |
| 22:13.41 | john83 | I have a server going, but password isn't working.. |
| 22:13.47 | tralala | cerel, do you need to use the propriarity ati driver? |
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| 22:13.54 | streuner | bob2 mentioned some Troll-HOWTO and FAQ sometimes, anyone knows the URL? |
| 22:14.10 | Guerin | !fgi streuner troll-howto |
| 22:14.11 | dpkg | streuner: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=troll-howto |
| 22:14.13 | pumpkin0 | cerel: you have installed a driver that is not made for that X-server ... |
| 22:14.26 | itchi | StarWars: Installed now? |
| 22:14.32 | cerel | i installed the fglrx-driver that's on debian non-free |
| 22:14.45 | streuner | Guerin: what do you think? Do you think i never googled for that ? ;-) |
| 22:14.53 | tralala | that fgi factoid has gotten really dusty until today |
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| 22:15.00 | mikel28 | stewL why is the license nasty? |
| 22:15.01 | streuner | Guerin: otherwise i wouldn't ask :-) |
| 22:15.13 | mikel28 | i have 3 gmail accounts :X, but i havent red the license :X |
| 22:15.24 | cerel | tralala: i would like to have the 3d accel, that's why i installed the non-free driver |
| 22:15.32 | Guerin | mikel28: qmail, not gmail |
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| 22:15.44 | pumpkin0 | cerel: which caard do you have ? |
| 22:15.51 | cerel | x600 |
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| 22:16.01 | tralala | cerel, you haven't actually installed the non-free driver. You've half-installed it and this is why it's not working. |
| 22:16.08 | tralala | cerel, /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 22:16.39 | cerel | what's strange is a "strings fglrx_dri.so | grep __glx" shows that function is there ... |
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| 22:17.07 | Sneg | is there a way to delete files using rm in a non case-sensitive way? |
| 22:17.07 | zinx | cerel: disable AIGLX |
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| 22:17.33 | itchi | cerel: See also /msg dpkg ati |
| 22:17.38 | zinx | Sneg: no, use a file manager if you think you need to do that |
| 22:17.40 | Sneg | such as rm *foo deleting *FOO and *foo and so on... |
| 22:17.43 | pet | bitch |
| 22:17.51 | tralala | Sneg, find /path -iname '*foo' | xargs rm |
| 22:17.56 | john83 | really |
| 22:17.56 | peterS | Sneg: rm $(find -iname '*.txt') or so? that's a bit dangerous as it recurses into subdirectories |
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| 22:18.03 | john83 | anyone here setup vnc4server? :P |
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| 22:18.14 | cerel | how can i disable AIGLX ? i've already disabled composite, tried disabling aiglx too, but seems it didn't worked |
| 22:18.15 | Sneg | thanks, i'll try that |
| 22:18.37 | tralala | make sure you try only find before you use rm |
| 22:18.42 | zinx | cerel: Option "AIGLX" "0" in the ServerLayout section or somesuch |
| 22:18.57 | peterS | Sneg: if it's just a one-time thing, I just kludge it with rm *.[Tt][Xx][Tt] |
| 22:19.14 | tralala | cerel, did you compile the kernel module? |
| 22:19.21 | cerel | yes |
| 22:19.26 | cerel | with module-assistant |
| 22:19.27 | pet | _sss_ put his dick on the yas of peterS |
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| 22:19.40 | itchi | pet: Bye bye |
| 22:19.44 | tralala | cerel, do you have the module radeon loaded? |
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| 22:19.54 | cerel | i followed the instructions that where on /usr/share/doc/fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src |
| 22:20.01 | zinx | if you set your LANG to en_US, bash will glob case insensitively no matter what you have it set to :P |
| 22:20.08 | cerel | no, only agpgart and fglrx |
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| 22:20.17 | zinx | (and they consider this a feature, so don't bother reporting it as a bug) |
| 22:20.22 | cerel | i've also tried with the free driver, but with no success |
| 22:20.25 | Guerin | kkrauss: don't message me, you twat |
| 22:20.44 | cerel | that's why i suspect i'm missing some module that lies before the drivers |
| 22:21.10 | StarWars | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20051025/gd.so |
| 22:21.21 | kkrauss | such language |
| 22:21.22 | StarWars | where i finde "gd.so" to cp them ? |
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| 22:21.32 | peterS | zinx: I can't reproduce that |
| 22:21.37 | stew | StarWars: install php5-gd |
| 22:21.42 | tralala | cerel, if you have fglrx loaded you should be fine. We both speak about the linux module, right? |
| 22:21.52 | cerel | yes |
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| 22:22.48 | cerel | but for some reason, the driver cannot use the dri, it seems there a drm module that is not loaded |
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| 22:23.05 | tralala | are you sure the fglrx-driver is the same version as fglrx-kernel-src? |
| 22:23.09 | zophy | is mono broken in testing ? |
| 22:23.12 | stew | i thought aiglx only supported the free driver, has that changed? |
| 22:23.13 | cerel | yes |
| 22:23.20 | zinx | peterS: oh? |
| 22:23.25 | stew | zophy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:23.31 | zophy | k |
| 22:23.33 | cerel | what i don't like is the fact that "dmesg | grep drm" returns nothing |
| 22:23.47 | tralala | try grep -i |
| 22:23.57 | zinx | peterS: Wow. |
| 22:24.01 | zinx | peterS: maybe they finally fixed it! |
| 22:24.07 | peterS | zinx: in a directory containing a file 'sections': LC_ALL=en_US bash -c 'echo SEC*' |
| 22:24.17 | cerel | tralala: same result, nothing |
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| 22:24.46 | zinx | peterS: they did! |
| 22:24.48 | peterS | zinx: OTOH, since my .bashrc contains 'export LC_COLLATE=C', maybe that has something to do with it |
| 22:24.50 | kkrauss | I guess its not a silencable offense to call people names around here lol |
| 22:24.59 | mikel28 | how are those pc's without a HD called? |
| 22:25.02 | zinx | peterS: oh, well, that'll do it, it's based on the COLLATE, but i think they fix it |
| 22:25.04 | mikel28 | the tiny one's.. ? |
| 22:25.06 | peterS | mikel28: silent? |
| 22:25.12 | azeem | kkrauss: don't msg people |
| 22:25.22 | azeem | Guerin: maybe you should take a break |
| 22:25.35 | kkrauss | I havnet |
| 22:25.37 | kkrauss | thats the funny part |
| 22:25.42 | zinx | peterS: as it is collating correctly here, and yet not doing case-insensitive globbing |
| 22:25.47 | zinx | peterS: i may have to switch back to it! |
| 22:25.50 | StarWars | km22903-17:/var/www# php5 -v |
| 22:25.50 | StarWars | PHP 5.1.6-5 (cli) (built: Oct 28 2006 13:49:33) |
| 22:25.50 | peterS | heh |
| 22:25.55 | StarWars | is not php -v |
| 22:25.58 | tralala | cerel, I'm out of ideas. I have gone through quite an adventure building a new version of this driver on sarge, but it is a totally different story. I haven't tried it on etch yet. |
| 22:25.58 | StarWars | is php5 |
| 22:26.01 | kkrauss | but how about telling pepole not to call other people a twat :) |
| 22:26.18 | peterS | zinx: I set LC_COLLATE=C quite awhile ago because it annoyed me for 'ls' to sort directory listings case-insensitively |
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| 22:26.30 | itchi | mikel28: An diskless computer? |
| 22:26.38 | cerel | tralala: well, i was out of ideas too, that why i tried this channel :P |
| 22:26.50 | StarWars | itchi php5 -v to grep version "php -v" is not a command :) |
| 22:27.00 | zinx | peterS: hehe :) |
| 22:27.05 | StarWars | php -v work on php4. |
| 22:27.06 | itchi | StarWars: I not understand |
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| 22:27.08 | chino | my ssh server keeps dropping my connection anyone know what i can do ? |
| 22:27.09 | tralala | cerel, did you disable aiglx? |
| 22:27.11 | zinx | peterS: it also (used) to cause insensitive globs ;) |
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| 22:27.17 | zinx | peterS: which IMHO is a far greater problem |
| 22:27.18 | peterS | zinx: seriously, it pissed me off for Makefile not to be at the top of the directory listing (: |
| 22:27.31 | cerel | i tried some things, but it seems i didn't managed to disable it |
| 22:27.42 | zinx | peterS: hehe :) |
| 22:27.46 | peterS | case-insensitive globs I never noticed, but I'm glad they fixed them anyway |
| 22:27.49 | zinx | peterS: i hate it when people use 'makefile' |
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| 22:28.30 | ^JasonS^ | could be |
| 22:28.48 | cerel | tralala: i've read that some configs of the kernel could conflict with the ati driver, you know if the default debian kernel has any of those ? |
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| 22:28.57 | earthian | is there any way to control leds on computer case? |
| 22:29.05 | earthian | i.e. those that show power and hdd usage |
| 22:29.13 | earthian | ? |
| 22:29.13 | peterS | earthian: like the hard disk light and the power light? not typically, no |
| 22:29.20 | earthian | ok |
| 22:29.31 | ^JasonS^ | ya but you can get an isp that simply has no download limit |
| 22:29.34 | itchi | earthian: You can unplug the cable if you want |
| 22:29.50 | tralala | cerel, my kernel has no conflicts with the driver so I suppose it doesn't |
| 22:30.10 | earthian | no... my hdd leds are somehow broken in the board.. the hdd light is always on |
| 22:30.22 | peterS | earthian: the keyboard LEDs, however, you can make those dance however you wish. 'apt-cache search "keyboard led"' for some cool toys |
| 22:30.26 | earthian | and only blinks a little when hdds are at full i/o |
| 22:30.29 | ^JasonS^ | there are a few.. actually the one i decided was the acanac deal.. you can't get it on their site.... i still have the link one sec |
| 22:30.32 | itchi | earthian: You plugged the ide cable wrong |
| 22:30.38 | cerel | tralala: well, thanks anyway for your help, i'm going to try to disable that aiglx |
| 22:30.41 | earthian | itchi, no |
| 22:30.42 | earthian | :p |
| 22:30.51 | itchi | earthian: Sure? |
| 22:30.53 | BucWheat | peterS after running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
| 22:30.57 | earthian | i already filed a support to MSI |
| 22:31.03 | BucWheat | i get dh_makeshlibs -V -plibusb-0.1-4 --add-udeb="libusb-0.1-udeb" |
| 22:31.03 | BucWheat | Unknown option: a |
| 22:31.04 | BucWheat | dh_makeshlibs: unknown option; aborting |
| 22:31.04 | BucWheat | make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 |
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| 22:31.05 | earthian | seems like BIOS problem |
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| 22:31.09 | ^JasonS^ | acanac.ca/google-promo.htm ... <-- you can't get to that from the site.. you have to use the link.. its a back channel |
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| 22:31.16 | BucWheat | grrr... |
| 22:31.27 | ^JasonS^ | that's right |
| 22:31.29 | peterS | earthian: I'm reminded of an old computer I had where the HD light didn't work. _years_ later I tried reversing its polarity and, lo and behold, it worked after all. whoever owned the computer before me must have screwed it up and not noticed, or something |
| 22:31.29 | itchi | earthian: You hca been look inside of the computer? Or maybe you have never open it or add and CD ROM or HDD ? |
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| 22:32.06 | earthian | itchi, it is a known issue of that mobo. |
| 22:32.13 | itchi | earthian: Okay |
| 22:32.23 | mikel28 | shitte!, my kernel panics when i use the cdu31a kernel module (for my sony cdrom) |
| 22:32.24 | earthian | ealier bios worked ok. just this one that supports my newer cpus :S |
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| 22:32.42 | earthian | bad msi |
| 22:32.42 | earthian | :/ |
| 22:32.52 | tralala | !comfort mikel28's kernel |
| 22:32.53 | dpkg | There, there, mikel28's kernel. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 22:33.44 | Cooner750 | Hello. On Testing now. Its amazing. I never realized Sarge was THAT old :P |
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| 22:34.17 | itchi | Cooner750: But so /stable/ Sarge, compared to other distro's |
| 22:34.41 | BucWheat | peterS i'll return tomorrow |
| 22:34.59 | Cooner750 | Testing seems like it's 10x faster than Sarge. And this is on a 2.2GHz Athlon XP with 960MB RAM |
| 22:35.13 | ^JasonS^ | Yup .. its 5mbit / s |
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| 22:35.28 | itchi | Cooner750: Had you before support for all your RAM? |
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| 22:35.58 | itchi | Cooner750: The default kernel of Sarge not see that amount of RAM |
| 22:36.11 | Cooner750 | Good question, no idea. I never looked |
| 22:36.17 | Cooner750 | I had upgraded the kernel though |
| 22:36.19 | Guerin | not really 10x |
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| 22:36.44 | mrynit | http://digg.com/videos_comedy/Testicular_Ephantitis |
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| 22:37.09 | tralala | faster than sarge? How come? |
| 22:37.21 | Cooner750 | free states that this is seeing all "971836", The reason it's 960 is because of onboard VIA UniChrome video (which stucks horribly, btw), that borrows 64MB system memory |
| 22:37.29 | Cooner750 | sucks* |
| 22:37.52 | streuner | azeem: what would we do without you? |
| 22:38.25 | Cooner750 | Once I get the $ to buy a new video card, It'll free up that last 64MB and then it should become a full 1024MB, or 1GB, like it should be. |
| 22:38.39 | abrotman | farrisG |
| 22:38.43 | itchi | Cooner750: There can be are many factors for the speed, if all RAM are used, dma on HDD's and so |
| 22:39.07 | Guerin | via unichrome had a gpl 3d driver project underway for a while |
| 22:39.14 | Guerin | apparently it was less than crap |
| 22:39.17 | Cooner750 | It did? |
| 22:39.18 | Guerin | i mean |
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| 22:39.20 | Guerin | not crap |
| 22:39.23 | Cooner750 | I never heard about it, odd |
| 22:39.29 | Guerin | !unichrome |
| 22:39.29 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
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| 22:39.45 | itchi | Cooner750: That 64 will not change many or speed up your computer. But it will consum lesser power when you do some 2D or 3D |
| 22:39.55 | Cooner750 | Does that driver support the 3d accleration or not? |
| 22:40.05 | Guerin | no clue |
| 22:40.05 | itchi | Cooner750: ... when you have an better video card |
| 22:40.05 | Cooner750 | (what little 3d accleration this GPU has anyway...) |
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| 22:40.27 | kml | hi, have a fail drive in raid5, boot up the system and it reports unclean super block and failed to mount root system after 3 attempts. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 22:40.32 | kml | raid1 /dev/md0 /boot, /dev/md1 swap, raid5 /dev/md2 root (failed) |
| 22:40.36 | mikel28 | anyone know something better then DSL, dsl setup is full with bugs (and i think it sucks a bit) |
| 22:40.37 | Cooner750 | It has all kinds of issues with OpenGL, which is the known problem with the UniChrome |
| 22:40.46 | tralala | Cooner750, I guess the answer is hidden somewhere on the project page |
| 22:41.20 | itchi | mikel28: hehe, yeah, Debian |
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| 22:41.34 | tralala | !itchi++ |
| 22:41.43 | Nwallins | what's a good way to examine the resource usage of a single, running process ? |
| 22:41.46 | itchi | tralala: What's that? |
| 22:41.59 | streuner | Nwallins: top? |
| 22:42.00 | itchi | tralala: I like more Python |
| 22:42.01 | mikel28 | itchi: for a 486dx2? |
| 22:42.12 | tralala | itchi, no prob |
| 22:42.16 | tralala | !itchi+=1 |
| 22:42.24 | pickcoder | Nwallins: top -p <pid> |
| 22:42.32 | itchi | mikel28: I have an P1 with 32 MB and Fluxbox on it. I have no more older stuff working |
| 22:42.33 | Nwallins | streuner, pickcoder: ah, thanks |
| 22:42.38 | tralala | hey, let's be generous: itchi*=10 |
| 22:42.51 | itchi | tralala: What do that? |
| 22:43.03 | Cooner750 | My sound and all is also working out of the box now in Testing, in Sarge I had to go through hours of headaches to get it to work |
| 22:43.07 | mikel28 | itchi this 486 is good as brand new (seriously, it has been under plastic for about 10 yrs) |
| 22:43.25 | itchi | mikel28: Try it out ;-) |
| 22:43.28 | mikel28 | so im not gonna trow it away, even while i got a dozen of machines 10times faster and better specs |
| 22:43.37 | streuner | Cooner750: yeah, etch becoming better and better |
| 22:43.57 | pickcoder | mikel28: just put a base system on it |
| 22:44.00 | tralala | itchi, it's just for fun |
| 22:44.00 | itchi | streuner: Is it not already right?? ;-) I'm so happy with it :-p |
| 22:44.02 | pickcoder | it'll run fine |
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| 22:44.10 | itchi | tralala: Okay ;-) |
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| 22:44.24 | streuner | itchi: hehe :-) |
| 22:44.59 | pickcoder | Etch will be perfect when 2.6.18 is on the boot image |
| 22:45.23 | tralala | and when it gets debugged |
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| 22:46.29 | mikel28 | pickcoder: well, it has no network card (yet) so i would like to have little more then base.... |
| 22:47.16 | tralala | mikel28, get cd1 |
| 22:47.33 | Cooner750 | Another thing that I wanted so bad now that I have is in the recent verison of Gnome that Etch has; it will fade/flash the window in the panel when it has a notification. Gnome 2.6 in Sarge didnt do that and I missed a lot of messages in Gaim |
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| 22:47.50 | noviac | Can anyone point me to a howto or something about installing a Promise SATA-300 TX4 on debian sarge 3.1. Or just enlighten me about it. It should be easy i guessed. But getting kernel panic on a remote computer is not my favorite. So anyone familiar with root on sata (sda1) and upgrading from 2.6.8-3 to lets say 2.6.18, gimme a hint. Using standard .config from /boot/2.6.8-386 ended up in kernel panic. |
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| 22:48.11 | itchi | Cooner750: Sure there are many new features add, and there will come many more :-) |
| 22:48.14 | tralala | gaim is soo laim... |
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| 22:48.32 | Pupeno | Hello. |
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| 22:49.04 | deadcat | is it possible to print the line that matches 20061013 to 20061112? say using awk or sed? all lines starts in that format. |
| 22:49.09 | Pupeno | Is there any guide to securely give shell access to third parties to only perform a limited set of actions (use darcs and thats it). |
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| 22:49.50 | tralala | deadcat, sed -n '/firstmatch/,/lastmatch/{p}' |
| 22:49.54 | itchi | deadcat: With grep or so? |
| 22:50.05 | deadcat | tralala: ah.. the {p}, (= |
| 22:50.12 | tralala | and the -n |
| 22:50.16 | abrotman | azeem: ping |
| 22:50.20 | deadcat | tralala: ya |
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| 22:50.53 | deadcat | tralala: i was trying /blah/,/bla2/p' |
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| 22:51.07 | tralala | Pupeno, wiki.debian.org has some hints |
| 22:51.29 | chino | help |
| 22:51.36 | tralala | deadcat, poor thing - you were so close! |
| 22:51.40 | john83 | so |
| 22:51.43 | john83 | I got a vnc server going |
| 22:51.47 | john83 | but I had to use xinetd |
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| 22:51.51 | john83 | xinetd is CRAP!! |
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| 22:52.41 | Pupeno | tralala: any keywords to search for ? |
| 22:52.54 | tralala | Pupeno, ssh |
| 22:52.54 | stew | deadcat: awk '($1 > 20061013 && $1 < 20061112){print}' |
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| 22:53.50 | stew | deadcat: but you probably want >= and <= instead of > and < |
| 22:54.02 | deadcat | stew: cool. |
| 22:54.04 | tralala | and sed instead of awk :) |
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| 22:55.08 | nst | my ps/2 mouse doesn't work on debian sarge..how can i fix it, reconfigure ir or something like that? |
| 22:55.16 | abrotman | stew: do you know how to make an exemption in a ban ? |
| 22:55.26 | stew | abrotman: yes, +e |
| 22:55.32 | abrotman | stew: xored needs one :) |
| 22:55.34 | tralala | nst, X or console? |
| 22:55.39 | nst | nst X |
| 22:55.44 | nst | ouch |
| 22:55.44 | evilbulgarian | where are dir colors set up in debian ? |
| 22:55.47 | nst | tralala X |
| 22:55.51 | deadcat | tralala: i might need both. since field 1 is date, field 2 is rate, field 3 is hour (which will be the sum) |
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| 22:56.00 | tralala | evilbulgarian, .bashrc |
| 22:56.19 | evilbulgarian | tralala: well i mean the actual colors it uses for dirs/files etc.. |
| 22:56.29 | *** mode/#debian [+e xored!*@*.versanet.de] by stew |
| 22:56.31 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
| 22:56.36 | deadcat | evilbulgarian: dircolors |
| 22:57.19 | streuner | abrotman: did you ask that a versanet.de user are able to come into channel? :-) |
| 22:57.26 | evilbulgarian | deadcat: where is that file at? |
| 22:57.31 | Cooner750 | Time to go enjoy Testing. I'll probably be back later. |
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| 22:57.33 | abrotman | streuner: he msg'ed me .. |
| 22:57.40 | Pupeno | tralala: nothing. |
| 22:57.46 | streuner | poor abrotman :-) |
| 22:57.48 | nst | tralala there is a /dev/input/mice directory...but it isn't work |
| 22:57.50 | deadcat | evilbulgarian: .bashrc has the dircolors thing.. but it should be in /etc |
| 22:57.52 | abrotman | streuner: it happens a lot oddly enough |
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| 22:58.08 | evilbulgarian | deadcat: dont see it thats the problem :) |
| 22:58.13 | nvz | abrotman: you're glutton for punishment |
| 22:58.13 | azeem | abrotman: pong |
| 22:58.28 | abrotman | azeem: thank you .. stew got it |
| 22:58.31 | diesel | Anyone created a custom debian install cd here? |
| 22:58.35 | azeem | ah |
| 22:58.38 | abrotman | azeem; you were the last i saw .. but then stew popped up .. |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | azeem: someone msg'ed me for an exemption |
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| 22:59.26 | streuner | diesel: well, did you search for at wiki.debian.org ? |
| 22:59.32 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 22:59.33 | dpkg | it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 22:59.39 | deadcat | evilbulgarian: i think dircolors(1) sets the color, so you might hvae to edit teh LS_COLORS var to customize the colors |
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| 23:00.13 | streuner | diesel: and why do you want go the *HARD* way to make a custom install CD? |
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| 23:00.38 | stew | abrotman: looks like he /quit before I exempted him. i memoserv'ed him |
| 23:00.38 | tralala | nst, psaux loaded? |
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| 23:00.44 | diesel | streuner: At first creating a custom install would be difficult, but not if I use this install cd several times |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | stew: ah .. he did .. thank you though |
| 23:01.07 | streuner | diesel: heh? |
| 23:01.21 | seth1248 | Trying to diagnose why I have no sound I see I have no esd or esound process running. Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do whith why I have no sound? |
| 23:01.24 | nst | tralala well, the question is, how can i load it? hehe (im a beginner) |
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| 23:02.04 | diesel | streuner: what don't you understand...if I have a debian install cd set to exectly the way I want my debian to be, why wouldn't I make a custom install cd? |
| 23:02.05 | streuner | diesel: ok, i rephrase the question, why do you think you need a custom install CD? |
| 23:02.08 | tralala | nst, grep psaux /proc/modules. If nothing is returned modprobe psaux |
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| 23:02.29 | streuner | diesel: because it isn't easy |
| 23:02.32 | nst | tralala ill try, thanks, brb |
| 23:03.16 | tralala | nst, what do you get out of uname -r? |
| 23:03.42 | nst | sorry? |
| 23:03.51 | diesel | streuner: neither is installing debian several hundred times without a custom install disk |
| 23:04.18 | nst | actually im over windows xp right now...without "mouse functions" its a little complicated to me yet |
| 23:04.19 | sandman | Anyone familiar with an easy way to enable duplex printing in linux? |
| 23:04.25 | StarWars | what i must add in apache2.conf to work with php5 ?? |
| 23:04.37 | Pupeno | Is there any guide to securely give shell access to third parties to only perform a limited set of actions (use darcs and thats it). |
| 23:04.46 | sandman | That is, I'd tell it to print, and it'd print odd-numbered pages, and when done, it'd prompt me to flip the pages around and put them back in the tray |
| 23:04.49 | sandman | For instance |
| 23:05.02 | tralala | nvz, which debian did you install? Do you know what kernel version you have? |
| 23:05.27 | stew | Pupeno: possibly rssh? |
| 23:05.34 | Pupeno | sandman: linux is not capable of doing any printing (linux is a kernel). You are probably using some other program running over linux. |
| 23:05.50 | nvz | tralala: Testing, 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 23:05.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:05.55 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:06.29 | sandman | k. |
| 23:06.30 | tralala | nvz, silly me |
| 23:06.35 | sandman | Anyone familiar with an easy way to enable duplex printing in GNU/Linux? |
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| 23:06.49 | nvz | tralala: I was gonna keep you going .. heh :P |
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| 23:07.19 | sandman | Pupeno: And couldn't one argue that Linux _is_ capable of printing? cat /dev/random > /dev/lp0 |
| 23:07.39 | Pupeno | sandman: again, it depends on the program you are using, not the project/kernel. Most have the option in the printing dialog, but if you are printing by cating something into lrp, then it is harder. |
| 23:07.42 | tralala | nvz, you almost got me. Hasn't he left I was just about to start my Etch n00b lecture :) |
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| 23:09.56 | hyphenex | Hi all |
| 23:10.02 | hyphenex | I'm back, after a good nights sleep |
| 23:10.08 | hyphenex | and It's still my 18th birthday :D |
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| 23:10.18 | hyphenex | before I get too drunk, I'm going to ask a few questiosn :P |
| 23:10.23 | Pupeno | stew: rssh is only for scp/sftp, you can't enable custom commands (like darcs) which is what I want. |
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| 23:11.16 | itchi | !beer hyphenex |
| 23:11.17 | stew | Pupeno: ok. it also allows cvs/svn, I didn't know if it would allow darcs |
| 23:11.27 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | Does debian use the vanilla linux sources from apt-get |
| 23:11.29 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | ? |
| 23:11.35 | streuner | no |
| 23:11.54 | tralala | I cannot stop that - it's stronger than me |
| 23:12.00 | tralala | !nickometer OmgWtfIDiedLol |
| 23:12.02 | dpkg | 'OmgWtfIDiedLol' is 27.000% lame, tralala |
| 23:12.15 | tralala | dpkg, you are 99% lame |
| 23:12.15 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, tralala |
| 23:12.17 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | what does it use, then |
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| 23:12.40 | streuner | OmgWtfIDiedLol: why do you ask? |
| 23:12.47 | Pupeno | isn't there some shell like rssh but that lets you configure what to allow to run ? |
| 23:13.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:13.03 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:13.05 | hyphenex | Hey itchi, dpkg. You still on?? :P |
| 23:13.11 | hyphenex | have you guys been on this entire time |
| 23:13.11 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | streuner, I'm helping out a friend who runs a server to compile a kernel but he doesn't trust me enough with ssh so i'm trying to use my gentoo |
| 23:13.16 | streuner | OmgWtfIDiedLol: debian's sources are patched specially for debian itself |
| 23:13.17 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | but his server runs debian |
| 23:14.10 | streuner | OmgWtfIDiedLol: say to your 'friend' he should read kernel-package docs and KERNEL-HOWTO at newbiedoc.sf.net |
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| 23:14.39 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: why compile your own kernel instead of using a kernel compiled by debian? |
| 23:14.41 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | streuner, he's read it and is not understanding it. and needs this fast... is there a quick link to the debian kernel? |
| 23:14.54 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: which version of debian? |
| 23:14.59 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | sarge |
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| 23:15.07 | streuner | OmgWtfIDiedLol: say to him also, that there are more than 500 options to configure a kernel and if he make a mistake his hardware could easily say Hasta la vista, baby ;-) |
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| 23:15.16 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: which kernel are you running now? |
| 23:15.31 | streuner | a gentoo kernel? |
| 23:15.52 | streuner | tralala: see |
| 23:15.59 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | Stew, well now I have ssh |
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| 23:16.05 | streuner | !gentoosmite OmgWtflDielLol |
| 23:16.07 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:16.15 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | xeon:/usr/src# uname -r |
| 23:16.15 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:16.18 | tralala | a n00b running a server and trying to compile a custom kernel |
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| 23:16.27 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 23:16.40 | hyphenex | Why does one compile a custom kernel?? |
| 23:16.44 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | he downgraded his kernel, because when he upgraded it, it no longer has e1000 |
| 23:16.45 | itchi | tralala: Everyone needs to begin an da |
| 23:16.47 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | which he needs |
| 23:16.49 | itchi | tralala: a day, sorry |
| 23:16.51 | dendrite | OmgWtfIDiedLol: Why doesn't your friend just come here in person? |
| 23:16.57 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: what did he upgrade to? |
| 23:17.05 | tralala | itchi, speak about some beginning! |
| 23:17.09 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | linux-kernel-2.6-686-smp |
| 23:17.14 | tralala | streuner, eh? |
| 23:17.16 | itchi | tralala: :-p |
| 23:17.20 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: from where? there is no such package in sarge |
| 23:17.27 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | apt-get |
| 23:17.31 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: from where? |
| 23:17.32 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | apparently |
| 23:17.37 | streuner | tralala: smite *cough* gentoosmite *cough* |
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| 23:17.47 | hyphenex | What's sarge??? |
| 23:17.50 | stew | hyphenex: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 23:17.51 | tralala | streuner, hehe :) |
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| 23:18.03 | tralala | I missed that one |
| 23:18.15 | evilbulgarian | hi, accidentaly changed the owner of the whole /etc/ directory and now su - or sudo do not work is there a way to get back access to su - without physical access to server |
| 23:18.21 | dendrite | hyphenex: Sarge is the code name for currently stable branch of debian. |
| 23:18.33 | hyphenex | Ahhhhh |
| 23:18.35 | hyphenex | Thanks |
| 23:18.38 | hyphenex | I don't know what I've got |
| 23:18.45 | hyphenex | just some net install thing?? |
| 23:18.58 | dendrite | evilbulgarian: To whom did you change the ownership? |
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| 23:19.23 | streuner | OmgWtfIDiedLol: say to your friend, if he isn't able to join us he shouldn't *touch* a kernel at all. |
| 23:19.32 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: myself |
| 23:19.33 | hyphenex | I'm going to get sooo pissed tonight |
| 23:19.45 | syntaxis | hyphenex: what is the contents of your /etc/debian_version? |
| 23:19.47 | dendrite | evilbulgarian: Are you logged in as yourself? |
| 23:19.55 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: yes |
| 23:20.01 | hyphenex | syntaxis, I'm still installing it... I don't know yet :P |
| 23:20.05 | nn-main | is there a easy way to add files to a an existing image easilly |
| 23:20.15 | nn-main | ** iso image |
| 23:20.22 | stew | nn-main: no, they are readonly |
| 23:20.25 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | streuner, he definitely shouldnt |
| 23:20.35 | hyphenex | nn-main, in windows... powerISO I think |
| 23:20.41 | dendrite | evilbulgarian: Well, you have made a mess... Hmm... |
| 23:20.45 | nn-main | before there written |
| 23:20.52 | h3sp4wn | nn-main: unionfs makes it pretty trivial |
| 23:20.56 | dendrite | evilbulgarian: Can you login as yourself? |
| 23:21.04 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: dendrite ok got it |
| 23:21.05 | hyphenex | nn-main, UltraISO in windows sorry |
| 23:21.07 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | streuner, is there a way to get the debian sources from apt-get? |
| 23:21.11 | syntaxis | hyphenex: hehe - ah, fair dos |
| 23:21.15 | dendrite | evilbulgarian: What did you do? |
| 23:21.21 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp is the one he actually tried to install |
| 23:21.36 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: chmodded passwd and shadow to 777 made another user with uid0 |
| 23:21.48 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: colegue figured it out |
| 23:21.51 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: he shouldn't use that one anyway, it has known security vulnerabilities |
| 23:21.54 | dendrite | evilbulgarian: Ah. Now you have some cleanup, eh? |
| 23:22.04 | tralala | OmgWtfIDiedLol, and this one is missing a driver that's in the non smp kernel? That's a bit hard to believe. |
| 23:22.29 | nn-main | i tryed mkisofs -M but it has to be used with -C witch i cant find pramiters for |
| 23:22.31 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | Stew, can you reccommend a secure kernel? |
| 23:22.50 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 23:23.02 | hyphenex | what is MTA and why does it take so long to start?? |
| 23:23.05 | streuner | OmgWtfIDiedLol: or backports.org kernel |
| 23:23.24 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | and why isn't there a /etc/modules.autoload.d? |
| 23:23.33 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | is there a debian equivalent to that? |
| 23:23.34 | streuner | !tell hyphenex about mta |
| 23:23.35 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: man 5 modules |
| 23:23.50 | stew | hyphenex: /msg dpkg MTA ; its the mail server, if it takes a long to start it is likely a DNS problem |
| 23:24.10 | hyphenex | ahh, I have a ton of DNS issues |
| 23:24.23 | hyphenex | before I can use apt-get, I have to ping the address first??? |
| 23:24.30 | hyphenex | I don't get how it works, or how to fix it. It's annoying |
| 23:24.39 | stew | OmgWtfIDiedLol: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp and kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp would both have e1000 support |
| 23:24.40 | streuner | you should use your ISP mail server as smarthost then |
| 23:24.41 | mikel28 | my kernel says assuming 50mhz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 23:24.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | Damn, those guys are such assholes |
| 23:25.05 | streuner | heh |
| 23:25.06 | mikel28 | on the intel processor is written 'intel 486dx2-33 overdrive' |
| 23:25.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | #perl.... never again |
| 23:25.24 | mikel28 | should i use idebus=33? |
| 23:25.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | I never seen such unfriendly people as in #perl |
| 23:25.55 | azeem | Ox0F0-0FF: we got your point now |
| 23:26.01 | mikel28 | indeed, get lost =) |
| 23:26.09 | azeem | mikel28: eh? |
| 23:26.15 | streuner | hm, those who call some people assholes in a different channel are always welcome here :-) |
| 23:26.19 | hyphenex | Is there a way I can manually set DNS servers?? |
| 23:26.27 | stew | hyphenex: man resolv.conf |
| 23:26.35 | stew | hyphenex: wait, do you use dhcp? |
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| 23:26.56 | hyphenex | stew, Yes, but my router has always been up shit creek without a paddle |
| 23:26.57 | k-man_ | is there some sort of virtual shared drive open source app? so people in physicaly seperate locations can share a virtual drive? |
| 23:26.59 | streuner | those are the first who leave us and call us the same :-) |
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| 23:27.31 | stew | hyphenex: then you either need to fix your router to send proper dns info, or you have to override the dhcp provided info via dhclient.conf |
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| 23:28.25 | hyphenex | can I just change the name server in /etc/resolv.conf ??? |
| 23:28.32 | azeem | hyphenex: edit it |
| 23:28.49 | stew | hyphenex: it will be overwritten the next time you get a lease from dhcp |
| 23:28.49 | hyphenex | azeem, The /etc/resolv.comf |
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| 23:29.00 | hyphenex | stew, Ahhhh, okies... so what file do I edit? |
| 23:29.15 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | any way I can be sure this will reboot |
| 23:29.34 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | like is there a way I can tell it to reboot after a certain amount of time without network, or somesuch? |
| 23:29.53 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: yeah didnt do -R so not bad |
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| 23:30.16 | itchi | OmgWtfIDiedLol: Need you the 'sleep' command? |
| 23:30.19 | evilbulgarian | dendrite: :) didnt have my .bash_proflie and .bashrc so didn have my PS var set right |
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| 23:30.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 23:30.33 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@*.versanet.de] by azeem |
| 23:30.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 23:30.36 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | itchi, how would I use sleep for that/ |
| 23:30.47 | itchi | OmgWtfIDiedLol: man sleep |
| 23:31.06 | azeem | itchi: he's talking about a rebooting a remote box and then handling failures |
| 23:31.17 | azeem | I'm not sure how sleep will help there either |
| 23:31.25 | streuner | azeem: well, we can only hope that this troll not coming back |
| 23:31.35 | itchi | azeem: I have missed a part of his question it's looks |
| 23:31.40 | azeem | streuner: we can always put the ban back in place |
| 23:32.16 | streuner | azeem: ask Ganneff about... |
| 23:32.40 | azeem | about what? |
| 23:32.50 | streuner | about the versanet.de troll |
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| 23:33.14 | azeem | so one troll should hold an entire ISP for ransom? |
| 23:33.31 | azeem | streuner: what's the problem with putting back the ban in case there is trouble? |
| 23:34.25 | hyphenex | stew, I just uncommented out one of those lines and replaced name server with the IP address of my internet's name server |
| 23:34.37 | streuner | azeem: ask Ganneff, he surely had a reason to ban a .de ISP... |
| 23:35.15 | azeem | streuner: why do you think Ganneff put the ban into place? |
| 23:35.24 | azeem | he's not even in this channel |
| 23:35.56 | streuner | that's pointless, just ask him |
| 23:36.09 | kkrauss | shazam |
| 23:36.19 | azeem | streuner: ok, can you please tell what exactly I should ask him? |
| 23:37.29 | streuner | ok, ask him, what was the reason why he banned the whole ISP? |
| 23:37.36 | azeem | he didn't ban the ISP? |
| 23:37.39 | azeem | at least not in here |
| 23:37.53 | streuner | no, because the troll joined us later... |
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| 23:38.02 | streuner | here in #debian |
| 23:38.32 | azeem | Ganneff isn't even in this channel's access list |
| 23:38.35 | stew | streuner: ganeff isn't even an op here |
| 23:39.01 | hyphenex | Damn it, even with changing DNS options, it still must try to connect to 1.0.0.0 |
| 23:39.05 | hyphenex | that sucks |
| 23:39.16 | hyphenex | but it'll work fine AFTER i ping the address? |
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| 23:41.31 | kkrauss | did you know |
| 23:41.44 | kkrauss | that debian backwards is naibed which is japanese for gay? lol |
| 23:41.50 | streuner | that's actually true, but it didn't change the fact, that we had/have the same problem |
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| 23:42.10 | azeem | kkrauss: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being fof-topic |
| 23:42.12 | azeem | eh, off-topic |
| 23:42.34 | azeem | streuner: the ops decided it was appropriate to ban all of versanet back then, and the ops now decided trying to remove the ban and see whether there is trouble |
| 23:42.35 | stew | streuner: unbanning versanet was discussed amongst the ops, please just drop it until it actually becomes a problem again |
| 23:43.11 | streuner | stew: i didn't start the convo... |
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| 23:43.20 | Cooner750 | Back with a question or two |
| 23:43.25 | streuner | stew: i just answer question! |
| 23:43.26 | Cooner750 | My first one is, where do I put fonts? |
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| 23:44.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | azeem, "fof-topic" ? My nick has such impact on you ? :) |
| 23:44.10 | craigevil | Cooner750: usr/share/fonts |
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| 23:44.49 | Cooner750 | craigevil: Can I just dump the fonts in there or do they have to be in one of those subfolders? |
| 23:46.08 | itchi | Cooner750: You can also put these in ~/.fonts/ |
| 23:46.42 | hyphenex | Wow, for my 18th birthday I've got this big ugly pimple on my back |
| 23:46.45 | hyphenex | now exciting |
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| 23:47.00 | Cooner750 | That's odd, I dont have .fonts directory in my Home folder (Yes, I have Show Hidden Files on) |
| 23:47.14 | dli | what are sata /dev devices in 2.4 kernel? |
| 23:47.27 | itchi | Cooner750: Then you need to create that dir |
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| 23:47.48 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | damnit all |
| 23:47.52 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | server did not reboot |
| 23:47.55 | atilaX | go mas que liado ( acabo de llegar del curro a las 23:45 ). Y he visto k Sun ha abierto Java. |
| 23:48.00 | atilaX | djoer |
| 23:48.04 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 23:48.06 | azeem | !es |
| 23:48.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:48.07 | atilaX | la mitad de lo escrito al garete |
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| 23:48.50 | Cooner750 | After they are installed, should I reboot to activate them? Or will they show up right away? |
| 23:49.06 | fhuk-java | hello, for production server use, what do you reccomend in the way of dividing up the hard drive space? I hate some production boxes i have that have home with 400megs, and want to put all the space under /, but someone old me you then can not recover a box whos file system fills, is there a way to put a extra 100 megs free somewhere to alow bootup? incase need fo recovery? |
| 23:49.10 | azeem | Cooner750: in general, you do not need to reboot |
| 23:49.20 | azeem | Cooner750: unless you upgrade your kernel ans want to use the new one |
| 23:49.23 | itchi | Cooner750: I think you just need to restart x |
| 23:49.37 | bbelt16ag | um |
| 23:49.38 | magyar | hi, is there a reason i see nothing in my control center on left hand side? sid |
| 23:49.43 | magyar | kde |
| 23:50.01 | itchi | magyar: See the bts |
| 23:50.16 | Cooner750 | Hmm. maybe I dont even have to restart X. The fonts are all showing up now in things like OpenOffice |
| 23:50.28 | bbelt16ag | fhuk-java: fhunk basically what happens is that the /home/user directory fills up and you cant write to it any more ... |
| 23:50.46 | bbelt16ag | you gotta use a live cd and do some slightly funky stuff to fix it |
| 23:51.08 | bbelt16ag | i would suggest atleast a gig or two for home |
| 23:51.27 | itchi | Cooner750: That's good ;-) |
| 23:51.31 | magyar | itchi: nothing there about that, but #kde folks are saying alot of debian folks have the same issue |
| 23:52.01 | itchi | magyar: I have heard that there was some troubles with it, but i dunno exactly |
| 23:52.30 | Cooner750 | Got Flash 9 and Java both installed within a matter of minutes. No problems yet at all with Testing. It seems more stable than Sarge, for some reason X used to crash on me all the time |
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| 23:53.04 | itchi | magyar: It will be interesting to post it to the Usenet too, to get confirmations that it's an bug, then fill an bug report?? |
| 23:53.08 | bbelt16ag | fhuk-java: you still there? |
| 23:53.14 | magyar | itchi: i did a query on bts for kcontrol and no bugs of such sort, should i report? |
| 23:53.18 | hyphenex | I think this apt-get thing is not accurate... 70kb/s on a 512 connection? Impossible |
| 23:53.38 | bbelt16ag | fhuk-java: it depends on what you doing with your box. |
| 23:53.41 | itchi | magyar: Just try to get an confirmation, to be sure |
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| 23:53.50 | magyar | itchi: roger |
| 23:54.44 | mikel28 | if i want to load a certain module while booting, i put it in /etc/modules right? |
| 23:55.05 | mikel28 | but i have a param. i want to give to this module, can i write that to /etc/modules as well? |
| 23:55.40 | itchi | mikel28: Yup; or maybe, try modconf; need to install it and then look to the /etc/modules to see the result?? |
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| 23:55.54 | Azar | streuner, this looks "very old" but you might find bob2 there (re Troll HOWTO) http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=howto%20troll |
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| 23:56.09 | itchi | mikel28: It's an little curses interface, usefull |
| 23:56.18 | Fleck | anyone french here? |
| 23:56.23 | streuner | Azar: thanks :-) |
| 23:56.27 | itchi | Fleck: Yup |
| 23:56.38 | Cooner750 | my only little "issue" is even though when it asks for the root password; and I tell it to remember it, it dosent |
| 23:56.47 | itchi | Fleck: There is #debian-fr too |
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| 23:57.08 | Fleck | ohh thanks |
| 23:57.31 | itchi | Fleck: Or try /msg chanserv list *debian* |
| 23:57.34 | hyphenex | How do I tell if I'm got something installed, say mySQL?? |
| 23:58.04 | itchi | hyphenex: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 23:58.08 | mikel28 | i dont have scsi in this machine.. |
| 23:58.20 | mikel28 | but a really old ide controller.. |
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| 23:58.30 | mikel28 | can it be that it goes trough scsi emulation or something? |
| 23:58.33 | hyphenex | Thanks itchi |
| 23:58.42 | mikel28 | the hd's are on /dev/hdX |
| 23:58.50 | mikel28 | where x is, you know what it represents :X |
| 23:59.26 | hyphenex | mine be sdx :P |
| 23:59.34 | itchi | Fleck: Try to prv me; |
| 23:59.50 | itchi | Fleck: As app you can use babytrans of the debian-marillat |
| 23:59.52 | seth1248 | Can anyone please help me diagnose my audio? Using debian etch. My audio is not working. I have nforce audio (snd_intel8x0 driver). |
