| 00:00.11 | Fleck | itchi ok thanks i a lot! :)) |
| 00:00.12 | itchi | Fleck: dict will be also usefull too |
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| 00:00.22 | mikel28 | i wonder what all this crap is :X |
| 00:00.34 | itchi | Fleck: And install the other languages for that 'dict' |
| 00:00.50 | mikel28 | in my append.. i see 'hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc... etc etc' |
| 00:00.58 | mikel28 | what has this suppose to mean? |
| 00:02.05 | hologram | seth1248: you tried alsaconf? |
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| 00:02.09 | itchi | Fleck: Maybe try to ask your question?? |
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| 00:02.12 | streuner | seth1248: is the soundcard even supported? |
| 00:02.40 | streuner | seth1248: which distro do you use? |
| 00:02.50 | seth1248 | hologram: yes, I tried alsaconf. |
| 00:02.54 | streuner | seth1248: what kernel do you use (cat /proc/version) |
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| 00:02.59 | cureless | seth1248: how did you figure out that's the audio driver you need? |
| 00:03.06 | sjr | What do i need installed to compile a simple C++ program? |
| 00:03.09 | sjr | I keep getting linking errors |
| 00:03.16 | streuner | !b-e sjr |
| 00:03.16 | dpkg | sjr: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 00:03.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:03.23 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:03.33 | cureless | sjr: g++ is all you need for a "simple" program. |
| 00:03.35 | Azar | streuner, sorry I can't resist, I found this on that old website looking for bob2: http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 00:03.40 | seth1248 | streuner: It is supposed to be supported and worked in previouse versions of debian. |
| 00:03.50 | mikel28 | do some ide drivers use a form of scsi emulation? |
| 00:03.59 | Azar | hi tarzeau :) |
| 00:04.09 | seth1248 | streuner: I'm using debian etch |
| 00:04.10 | mikel28 | ide_setup: hda=scsi << any idea what this means? |
| 00:04.36 | cureless | seth1248: does the card show up in lspci? |
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| 00:05.01 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 00:06.10 | seth1248 | streuner: Linux version 2.6.17-2-k7 (Debian 2.6.17-9) |
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| 00:06.20 | hyphenex | anyone here use webmin? |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 00:06.43 | streuner | seth1248: check out BTS then |
| 00:06.57 | streuner | Azar: :-) |
| 00:07.15 | sjr | thanks guides build-essetial did it |
| 00:07.32 | Azar | :) a supergem :bob2 (retard barbie) Ignoring help is FUN |
| 00:08.05 | sjr | guys* |
| 00:09.41 | hyphenex | I'm running debian 3.1 :) |
| 00:10.12 | Azar | yay! good for you |
| 00:10.22 | hyphenex | is that new? |
| 00:10.36 | Azar | not only new but the stable one too |
| 00:10.43 | hyphenex | Cool |
| 00:10.44 | hyphenex | :) |
| 00:10.52 | cureless | define new |
| 00:11.07 | Azar | hyphenex: in two months for now we get a newer one too |
| 00:11.18 | Azar | *from now |
| 00:11.26 | hyphenex | ahh, well this should be fine for a few years for me I think :) |
| 00:11.31 | hyphenex | just a simple web server |
| 00:11.41 | hyphenex | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.43 | Azar | hyphenex: then you settled for the best so far |
| 00:12.01 | seth1248 | cureless: lspci: 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio (rev c2) |
| 00:12.19 | cureless | seth1248: so what's your problem exactly? |
| 00:12.41 | hyphenex | what was the console web browser again? |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | w3m or links |
| 00:12.53 | Azar | links |
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| 00:12.58 | seth1248 | No sound from the speakers. |
| 00:13.00 | hyphenex | Thanks |
| 00:13.18 | cureless | or lynx (iirc) |
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| 00:13.37 | Azar | seth1248: if you already installed alsa, run alsamixer, unmute the channels and save the settings |
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| 00:14.00 | cureless | seth1248: when doing what? what applications are you running? |
| 00:14.09 | seth1248 | Azar: already done. |
| 00:14.28 | Azar | then go by cureless' guide |
| 00:14.32 | tarzeau | links2 |
| 00:14.46 | Azar | woot? there is a links2 now? |
| 00:15.13 | tarzeau | Azar: there is since many years |
| 00:15.28 | hyphenex | with w3m, how do I enter stuff into a text box? |
| 00:15.33 | seth1248 | cureless: Any applications that have to do with sound, video files, audio files, system audio. |
| 00:15.33 | Azar | tarzeau: thanks for the info I might be already running it then |
| 00:15.41 | tarzeau | with links2 you just enter the text into a text box |
| 00:15.52 | tarzeau | Azar: and yes it renders graphics and does javascript |
| 00:15.53 | hyphenex | needs SSL support, links does not offer that :( |
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| 00:16.02 | tarzeau | hyphenex: links2 does |
| 00:16.06 | Azar | I see.... :) |
| 00:16.08 | cureless | seth1248: well, it kind of matters since the way they access the audio might change how they behave. Are they using arts or gstreamer? |
| 00:16.12 | hyphenex | Sweet, *opens links2* |
| 00:16.25 | tarzeau | hyphenex: try with -g or xlinks2 |
| 00:16.44 | darkskiez | OK, i want to mark packets on one half of a connection, but apply another mark to packets on the return path, am I missing an obvious way to do this? |
| 00:16.47 | hyphenex | I havn't got an Xserver?? |
| 00:17.07 | kkrauss | ll |
| 00:17.09 | tarzeau | hyphenex: it can do graphics with framebuffer or svgalib too |
| 00:17.13 | kkrauss | yayyyy im not silenced anymore lol |
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| 00:17.23 | amphi | !lol |
| 00:17.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:17.36 | Azar | hyphenex: I used links for long until I decided to install an xserver, I got used to it |
| 00:17.39 | kkrauss | no matter what anyone says I will use lol and no im not an aol user |
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| 00:17.53 | seth1248 | cureless: that I'm not sure. How can I find out? |
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| 00:17.57 | Azar | lola lola |
| 00:18.21 | cureless | seth1248: run lsof | grep snd, do you get anything? |
| 00:18.24 | hyphenex | Azar, I shall enjoy this links2 I think :) |
| 00:18.41 | tarzeau | Azar: lola, eh? http://images.google.ch/images?hl=de&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=lola&btnG=Google-Suche&oe=ISO-8859-1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 00:18.44 | kkrauss | funny how I get silenced for being offtopic but people nagging me about using LOL is off topic lol |
| 00:18.46 | Azar | now I am curious, gonna check this links2 as well |
| 00:19.14 | abrotman | kkrauss: not really |
| 00:19.44 | Azar | hehe thanks tarzeau, cool |
| 00:19.56 | kkrauss | me writing lol when something funny instead of hahah is distruptive to debian linux are you kidding me??? |
| 00:20.13 | kkrauss | something funny is said* |
| 00:20.15 | tarzeau | 01:20 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from kkrauss: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 00:20.44 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 00:20.53 | kkrauss | why do you care what version I have? |
| 00:20.54 | hyphenex | holy cow links2 -g is advanced :D |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | kkrauss: just drop it please |
| 00:21.01 | hyphenex | will that work over SSH?? |
| 00:21.05 | tarzeau | hyphenex: found the f9 menu yet? |
| 00:21.16 | tarzeau | hyphenex: yes it works pretty well with remote x graphically over the internet |
| 00:21.18 | hyphenex | have now :) |
| 00:21.20 | kkrauss | I was just responding to you abrotman |
| 00:21.27 | hyphenex | Hmm, how do I move the mouse? :P |
| 00:21.34 | kkrauss | now im more curious as to why tarzeau would care what version I have |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | kkrauss: i didn't ask you a question |
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| 00:21.40 | tarzeau | hyphenex: without x? you'll need gpm i gues |
| 00:21.44 | Azar | ok it's not funny kkrauss let's drop the lol thing |
| 00:21.57 | kkrauss | you dont need to ask a question to get a response |
| 00:22.06 | abrotman | i didn't want one |
| 00:22.07 | hyphenex | what's gpm?? Oahh, and it still doesn't support SSL :( |
| 00:22.15 | tarzeau | hyphenex: yes it supports ssl |
| 00:22.27 | abrotman | and it didn't deserve one |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | why am i arguing with the tard? |
| 00:22.43 | dvs | abrotman: dunno |
| 00:22.51 | hyphenex | how do I get it to support SSL? |
| 00:23.03 | tarzeau | hyphenex: just run links2 https://whatever ? |
| 00:23.14 | tarzeau | hyphenex: dpkg -l links2 says what? |
| 00:23.23 | mikel28 | hmmm ive added 'cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340' to my /etc/modules |
| 00:23.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's inside the boxes? black next boxes? |
| 00:23.32 | Azar | :) "cat /dev/input/mice", wiggle it. does it print crap? |
| 00:23.32 | abrotman | of course! |
| 00:23.34 | mikel28 | but it doesnt use it, or at least not the parameters |
| 00:23.45 | mikel28 | what am i doing wrong? :( |
| 00:23.53 | seth1248 | cureless: lsof | grep snd: http://pastesite.com/show/305 |
| 00:24.28 | cureless | seth1248: so you're using arts. |
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| 00:24.56 | cureless | seth1248: you're using kde. Open control panel, then go to audio, then tell it not to start arts. do ps, make sure it's not running, try your audio app again. |
| 00:25.48 | cureless | seth1248: it's under sound & multimedia -> sound system |
| 00:25.50 | hyphenex | tarzeau, Just links2 |
| 00:26.04 | tarzeau | hyphenex: which version? |
| 00:26.19 | hyphenex | 2.1pre16-1 |
| 00:26.21 | seth1248 | I'm using primarily gnome but have kde on second terminal (I do ctrl+alt F8 to use kde). |
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| 00:26.45 | Azar | holly babel, the more one gets the more chaos |
| 00:26.51 | tarzeau | hyphenex: - Add libssl-dev to build depends. (Closes: #258301) |
| 00:26.57 | tarzeau | hyphenex: links2 (2.1pre21-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 00:27.05 | tarzeau | hyphenex: you want the links2 from www.backports.org |
| 00:27.05 | cureless | seth1248: (sure, whatever rocks your boat). The problem is (probably) the sound daemons, which in your case might be 2. |
| 00:27.23 | abrotman | i think w3m does SSL |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | the one in etch does .. no building required! |
| 00:27.52 | Azar | the bold: tarzeau - and the beautiful: abrotman |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | i'm not sure i like where this is going |
| 00:28.24 | abrotman | hyphenex: try w3m |
| 00:28.41 | tarzeau | Azar: make it the gnustep at least |
| 00:29.01 | Azar | tarzeau, I guess links2 will fall right on the upcoming etch's lap |
| 00:29.04 | hyphenex | Mah, I'll just fins another way to add all hosts to webmin... with w3m, how do I enter text into the textboxes? |
| 00:29.23 | cureless | all you want is to use webmin? |
| 00:29.32 | faderhval | hello people :) |
| 00:29.32 | tarzeau | Azar: should do so, i think i've borked something with pre24-1, i'll fix it tomorrow if it's really a bug |
| 00:29.39 | tarzeau | cureless: forget it |
| 00:29.46 | Azar | hyphenex: for some reason ( I never used it) webmin is an ugly thing here |
| 00:30.06 | Azar | tarzeau, is links2 your baby? wow, I MUST try it |
| 00:30.06 | faderhval | if i make some changes to my iptables how do i "save" those settings? |
| 00:30.11 | cureless | hyphenex: you can also just do port forwarding if you just want to browse one host. |
| 00:30.20 | tarzeau | Azar: i just do the debian package, well i know one developer personally |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | iptables-save |
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| 00:30.53 | Azar | tarzeau I will feel honored. and btw: I fixed my 3D with help frem stew here, so I run Egoboo perfectly |
| 00:31.06 | hyphenex | hmmm, maybe there's just a webmin command to allow all hosts and non-ssl configuration?? |
| 00:31.26 | streuner | webmin is history in debian... |
| 00:31.28 | tarzeau | Azar: you enjoy egoboo? i never had fun playing it (too hard a gameplay) |
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| 00:31.32 | abrotman | don't use webmin |
| 00:31.39 | tarzeau | Azar: but have you tried brutalchess yet? |
| 00:31.46 | betoreyez | hi.. where can I find the meaning of each cpu flags? |
| 00:31.51 | streuner | hyphenex: this fact should say all about... |
| 00:31.52 | Azar | tarzeau: I must admit: I love the original nethack-console better |
| 00:31.54 | tarzeau | betoreyez: which cpu? |
| 00:32.04 | tarzeau | Azar: same here, but NetHack.app is great too |
| 00:32.05 | betoreyez | I've an intel p4... |
| 00:32.07 | Azar | tarzeau: nope I will download and try it |
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| 00:32.12 | abrotman | betoreyez: for GCC ? |
| 00:32.20 | tarzeau | Azar: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/nethack.png |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | oh .. from /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:32.37 | betoreyez | abrotman: the ones of /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 00:32.58 | abrotman | betoreyez: google "cpuinfo flags" |
| 00:33.02 | betoreyez | tarzeau: I've and intel p4 |
| 00:33.21 | Azar | tarzeau, oh that one I have it too! |
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| 00:34.29 | Azar | tarzeau, another game I'd like to see on linux: http://www.3drealms.com/towers/index.html < was one of my favs |
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| 00:35.12 | tarzeau | Azar: it's not free software, but tried dodgindiamond2, supertransball or mazeofgalious? |
| 00:35.13 | betoreyez | abrotman: /usr/include/asm/cpufeature.h |
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| 00:35.20 | betoreyez | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 00:35.56 | xpato | hi |
| 00:35.58 | mikel28 | could anyone please tell me how to load a module during boot? |
| 00:36.04 | xpato | what does "ulimit -s 10240" |
| 00:36.05 | xpato | ? |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
| 00:36.08 | mikel28 | i also have 1 parameter i would like to specify |
| 00:36.10 | hyphenex | with 'links2 -g' I get all these weird blue bars accross the screen |
| 00:36.11 | Azar | tarzeau, thanks noted down I will try to install them |
| 00:36.13 | abrotman | xpato: man ulimit ? |
| 00:36.20 | tarzeau | Azar: that's really fun! http://www.happypenguin.org/images/fizzball_screenshot1.jpg |
| 00:36.30 | tarzeau | hyphenex: framebuffer? |
| 00:36.39 | xpato | abrotman: i know, im asking here because the doc isn't clear enough |
| 00:36.42 | mikel28 | abrotman: i tried to add 'cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340' to /etc/modules, but that didnt work |
| 00:36.45 | tarzeau | hyphenex: on x86/framebuffer it sucks (sometimes) |
| 00:36.46 | kkrauss | does debian still use the penguin? lol |
| 00:36.56 | hyphenex | I'm not using X |
| 00:37.03 | tarzeau | hyphenex: try svgalib |
| 00:37.07 | hyphenex | but, how do I make it not like that? |
| 00:37.08 | mikel28 | no i got cdu31a in my /etc/modules and in my lilo append i got the parameter but that doesnt work either |
| 00:37.11 | hyphenex | what's svgalib?? |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | mikel28: that's not how that file works |
| 00:37.15 | hyphenex | just apt-get it? |
| 00:37.18 | tarzeau | hyphenex: supervga library |
| 00:37.25 | mikel28 | abrotman could you tell me where i can sepcify kernel module parameters? |
| 00:37.32 | tarzeau | hyphenex: yeah and tell it to use it , see man links2 |
| 00:37.39 | tarzeau | in /etc/modules |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | mikel28: use modconf |
| 00:38.06 | streuner | mikel28: just add the parameter like tarzeau mentioned |
| 00:38.22 | streuner | abrotman's advice is easier :-) |
| 00:38.28 | abrotman | xpato: man bash |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | -s The maximum stack size |
| 00:38.51 | mikel28 | when i start modconf, i get '/usr/sbin/modconf: line 1: -e: command not found' |
| 00:38.53 | Azar | modconf is my best friend :) |
| 00:39.01 | Azar | aw |
| 00:39.05 | xpato | abrotman: yes i know that, what is the stack size? |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | what is it now ? |
| 00:39.29 | abrotman | xpato: is that what you want to know ? |
| 00:39.54 | xpato | yes |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | xpato: ulimit -a |
| 00:40.11 | mikel28 | is there a way to do it by hand (not by using modconf) ? |
| 00:40.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | mikel28: ask your parents about the birds&bees :) |
| 00:40.41 | xpato | abrotman: i want to know what means "stack size"? |
| 00:40.48 | streuner | mikel28: man modprobe and add the parameters in /etc/modules |
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| 00:41.13 | mikel28 | streuner ive tried to add the params to /etc/modules |
| 00:41.24 | mikel28 | 'cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340' no success :( |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | that's not where it goes |
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| 00:42.40 | streuner | mikel28: tried 'modinfo <module>? |
| 00:42.47 | mikel28 | yep |
| 00:42.58 | mikel28 | abrotman where does it go then? |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 00:44.05 | hyphenex | when my screen does all funny, say with black lines over it (something about frame buffer???), is there a command to reset this? |
| 00:44.48 | xuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.08 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.21 | hyphenex | are you guys saying anything? because I can't see it |
| 00:45.25 | kkrauss | ok other than BT anyone know where I can download a debian live cd my google searchs arent giving me much |
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| 00:45.35 | zinx | hyphenex: it's a hidden message! |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 00:45.41 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:45.45 | streuner | hyphenex: no, everybody idle the last 2 hours ;-) |
| 00:46.21 | hyphenex | but my screen is garbled |
| 00:46.27 | hyphenex | and I want to know how to fix it without restarting :( |
| 00:46.44 | cureless | hyphenex: try to go to another console and back |
| 00:47.04 | hyphenex | no luck |
| 00:47.07 | hyphenex | is there any command? |
| 00:47.19 | kkrauss | nothing to dl |
| 00:47.20 | kkrauss | hmm |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 00:47.35 | hyphenex | if I run back into the 640x400 thing of link2 it looks fine, but as soon as I quit, garbled again :( |
| 00:47.38 | kkrauss | on the first site? |
| 00:47.40 | cureless | hyphenex: what are you looking at? |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | second |
| 00:48.12 | hyphenex | well, there are just a few lines down the middle of the screen |
| 00:48.30 | cureless | hyphenex: are you in text mode or X? |
| 00:48.35 | hyphenex | Text mode |
| 00:48.38 | hyphenex | don't have X |
| 00:48.44 | cureless | Hydroxide: type reset. |
| 00:48.47 | h3sp4wn | hyphenex: Are you using links2 on the framebuffer ? (if you are using directfb it uses the first mode in /etc/fb.modes not the one that is currently being used) |
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| 00:48.55 | kkrauss | ahh there it is |
| 00:49.13 | kkrauss | current? |
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| 00:49.20 | hyphenex | I hade to specify a mode, then I existed |
| 00:49.24 | hyphenex | and it went garbled |
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| 00:51.34 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 00:52.44 | kkrauss | stupid question |
| 00:52.46 | kkrauss | what is kde again? |
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| 00:53.40 | hyphenex | h3sp4wn, How do I tell what one is currently being used? and change them? |
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| 00:53.52 | xuser | Is there anything like pingplotter in linux? |
| 00:53.55 | kkrauss | anyone? |
| 00:54.34 | streuner | kkrauss: in which timezone are you in? |
| 00:54.42 | Crankymonky | is toram the bootup parameter to load everything to ram in debian? |
| 00:54.42 | h3sp4wn | hyphenex: What i did was just put the mode I wanted first (reordered the file) there is apparantly a directfb config file but it has various syntax and none seemed to work |
| 00:55.16 | kkrauss | streuner: east |
| 00:55.22 | hyphenex | h3sp4wn, So that should get rid of gable? |
| 00:55.26 | kkrauss | all I need to know is if kde is the desktop package |
| 00:55.32 | kkrauss | so I can have xwindow? |
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| 00:55.41 | kkrauss | the readme says nothing about desktkop just kde and x11? |
| 00:55.53 | h3sp4wn | hyphenex: It depends how you machine is currently setup |
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| 00:56.15 | h3sp4wn | hyphenex: If you are using the framebuffer and changing the mode is what is causing it to get gabbled that may fix it |
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| 00:56.35 | stoned_too | what is going on |
| 00:56.39 | streuner | kkrauss: apt-get install kde (kde is a meta-packages, means that installs everything you need) |
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| 00:57.02 | kkrauss | well the choices are |
| 00:57.08 | abrotman | kkrauss: which version of debian did you install ? |
| 00:57.16 | kkrauss | no guys |
| 00:57.18 | kkrauss | you misunderstand |
| 00:57.30 | kkrauss | on on the livecd site, getting ready to download a livecd |
| 00:57.43 | kkrauss | im trying to figure out which one, the readme file talks about kde but says nothing about the desktokp.iso |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | so get it |
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| 00:57.49 | kkrauss | man |
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| 00:58.03 | kkrauss | sigh forget it |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | just pick one .. gnome, kde, or xfce |
| 00:58.15 | Crankymonky | is toram the bootup parameter to load everything to ram in debian? |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | check xwinman.org to see what they look like |
| 00:58.52 | streuner | depends which live-CD you use, kkrauss, usually most of them have X and some GNOME or KDE as default |
| 00:59.09 | kkrauss | well one iso is called desktop |
| 00:59.13 | kkrauss | thats where the confusion lies for me |
| 00:59.17 | kkrauss | my questions are valid |
| 00:59.26 | streuner | well, what's the URL? |
| 00:59.26 | kkrauss | I read before I asked but there is no info on the desktop iso I can find |
| 00:59.43 | Azar | kkrauss: if you want to know more about X-windows and desktop read here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ch-gtktd.en.html |
| 00:59.56 | kkrauss | thanks |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/README.images |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | just read that ? |
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| 01:01.07 | abrotman | there's no description for -desktop .. but given the size .. i'd say it might contain all three |
| 01:01.16 | kkrauss | see abrotman |
| 01:01.20 | kkrauss | im not crazy and it was a valid question |
| 01:01.26 | abrotman | then |
| 01:01.27 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 01:01.28 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | ask that channel |
| 01:01.34 | kkrauss | empty |
| 01:01.37 | kkrauss | I tried already |
| 01:01.41 | kkrauss | oh wait |
| 01:01.42 | abrotman | on OFTC ? |
| 01:01.43 | kkrauss | what does oftc mean? |
| 01:01.45 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
| 01:01.51 | kkrauss | yep I thought so too when I sa that lol |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | try reading the whole thing |
| 01:02.16 | kkrauss | and the jerk statement comes to fruition |
| 01:02.29 | kkrauss | always the same |
| 01:02.31 | abrotman | just try reading .. it helps |
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| 01:03.51 | th0ger | Wow! 'aptitude install myprog' wants to install 112 extra packages, while 'apt-get install myprog' only wants 20. Why this difference? |
| 01:03.53 | hyphenex | h3sp4wn, I can't find the Framebuffer file |
| 01:03.56 | Crankymonky | is toram the bootup parameter to load everything to ram in debian? |
| 01:04.16 | h3sp4wn | hyphenex: forget it then |
| 01:04.20 | Azar | th0ger: my take is, aptitude brings in more dependent packages? |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | th0ger: it's installing the suggested or recommended .. can't remember which |
| 01:04.31 | hyphenex | :(, so I just have to live with the gabble? |
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| 01:04.46 | h3sp4wn | hyphenex: If you were using the framebuffer you would have explicitly enabled it (and hence know what it is) |
| 01:04.46 | Agrajag- | gday, i've had sensors running for ages, but recently (possibly with upgrade to 2.6.18) it's started spamming all [pseudo-]terminals if the CPU temp gets too high - how do i turn off this functionality? |
| 01:05.15 | streuner | Agrajag-: did you look at BTS? |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | kkrauss: i still don't see you there |
| 01:05.21 | hyphenex | h3sp4wn, Can I start up the kernel with args for certain dimensions, to run at say 1024x480x256 on boot, thus eliminating gable |
| 01:05.32 | Agrajag- | streuner: no i haven't |
| 01:05.42 | Seb | how does X decide to put itself on vt7 ? |
| 01:05.47 | th0ger | abrotman: Okay, i see. So it does not really depend on alle these packages |
| 01:05.52 | Seb | i mean, where is that setting located, when i just do startx as a user ? |
| 01:05.55 | streuner | Agrajag-: what version of debian? |
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| 01:06.20 | Agrajag- | streuner: testing with a (very) few things from unstable |
| 01:06.30 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 01:06.34 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 01:06.34 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 01:07.19 | Agrajag- | streuner: probably the only thing i've got from unstable is the kernel image 2.6.18 |
| 01:07.49 | magyar | how can i tell the number of files in a directory? |
| 01:07.50 | jnt | Hey all. I need help with Dependency cycles if anyone is much of a developer |
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| 01:07.55 | streuner | Agrajag-: according to my experiences it was mostly a kernel-issue |
| 01:07.56 | Azar | Agrajag-: via backports or just butchering? |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | jnt: just ask |
| 01:08.25 | abrotman | th0ger: make sense ? |
| 01:08.33 | streuner | Agrajag-: just check out lm-sensors too |
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| 01:08.56 | abrotman | jnt: if there's an error we need to see .. paste it |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:08.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:09.02 | Agrajag- | Azar: not from backports since im using testing not stable |
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| 01:09.16 | jnt | I'm rolling packages that set standard dependencies and configs for our servers and I'm having trouble with making sure that one packing is configured before it installs the second one. |
| 01:09.24 | Azar | Agrajag-: ah Isee.. |
| 01:09.38 | Sabrejack | has anyone ever seen an init script that says "Stopping Foo: Killed" instead of "Stopping Foo: foo" when issued a stop command? |
| 01:09.47 | streuner | Agrajag-: there is an easy way to test it, just use an testing kernel which worked before... |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | jnt: maybe ask #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | jnt: or check the MG |
| 01:10.13 | hyphenex | some network services are running Really, really slow. I think it is because of DNS issues?? |
| 01:10.15 | Agrajag- | streuner: there's nothing actually wrong, the kernel works fine, it just sends lots of messages to all terminals when the cpu temp gets high |
| 01:10.17 | jnt | I have a package called sfac-server which depends on a whole bunch of stuff and also installs and apt.conf in apt.conf.d adding --force-overwrite and I need that to be done before it installs the packages sfac-server depends on (because they overwrite other packages) |
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| 01:10.50 | jnt | abrotman: thanks, I'll take a look in debian-mentors |
| 01:10.57 | streuner | Agrajag-: oh, you haven't a small problem then :-) |
| 01:11.13 | Sabrejack | jnt: I believe a Pre-Depends line in the control file requires those dependancies to be fully installed and configured and successful before attempting installation of the package..? |
| 01:11.40 | abrotman | jnt: the MG doesn't say anything about this ? |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | !mg |
| 01:11.41 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:11.53 | Agrajag- | streuner: not really, it's set to warn on 70 degrees, which isn't too high as far as im concerned (and it only gets that high very occasionally when doing very cpu intensive tasks) |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | Pre-Depends: |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | This is stronger than Depends:. The package will not be installed unless the packages it pre-depends on are installed and correctly configured. Use this very sparingly and only after discussing it on the debian-devel mailing list. Read: don't use it at all. :-) |
| 01:12.11 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 01:12.11 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 01:12.14 | jnt | Yes, I tried that. |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | !prize Sabrejack |
| 01:12.24 | th0ger | abrotman: it makes sense. but can i make it install less extra packages? |
| 01:12.34 | streuner | Agrajag-: well, manufactor of the CPU should be able to tell you about |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | th0ger: i believe it's an option |
| 01:12.37 | Sabrejack | lol |
| 01:12.45 | Crankymonky | is toram the bootup parameter to load everything to ram in debian? |
| 01:12.47 | Azar | magyar: I use ytree, try it if you like |
| 01:12.56 | streuner | Agrajag-: but 70 C. is a way to much |
| 01:13.03 | jnt | but maybe now that I think about it I have dependencies around the wrong way :) |
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| 01:13.19 | abrotman | th0ger: man aptitude tells you how |
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| 01:14.09 | Agrajag- | streuner: ok, but that's not the problem i'm trying to solve right now. is it a syslog setting or something? (i just checked and i've got the latest lm-sensors which is in unstable) |
| 01:14.10 | th0ger | abrotman: yep, --without-recommends thanks |
| 01:14.14 | abrotman | th0ger: enjoy |
| 01:14.17 | magyar | Azar: thanks |
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| 01:14.34 | streuner | Agrajag-: that's the most important problem you have... |
| 01:14.51 | streuner | forget syslog |
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| 01:14.59 | evil_andy | I have an apache2 server with an SSL cert that requires a password. what's the best way to automate booting up the system (it's relatively physically inaccessible) |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | this looks promising |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | evil_andy: the FAQ at the openssl site tells you how to do that |
| 01:15.23 | Sabrejack | okay.. maybe I'll try a simpler problem.. my init script launches my daemon but writes out the wrong pid.. I think that might be the heart of my problem. I admit I'm an init-script noob, anybody have any obvious things I should look at / try? |
| 01:15.33 | evil_andy | abrotman, thanks. sorry, was looking at apache. |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | evil_andy: google "openssl faq remove passphrase" |
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| 01:16.07 | abrotman | Sabrejack: how is it getting the wrong PID ? |
| 01:16.11 | itchi | Following the ipw3945 docs. I need to add some lines to '/etc/modprobe.conf' or into a new file '/etc/modules.d/ipw3945'. But both does no more exist in Etch. Where need i to place these now? |
| 01:16.20 | Sabrejack | I think it's getting the pid of my daemon before the fork, rather than after. |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | could you use pidof ? |
| 01:16.45 | Sabrejack | is it normal to have the daemon write its own pidfile rather than letting start-stop-daemon do it? |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | or look at say .. the apache init script to see how it does it |
| 01:17.00 | Sabrejack | hmm, lemme go look at apache then. |
| 01:17.13 | streuner | Agrajag-: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 01:17.42 | Agrajag- | streuner: great thanks |
| 01:18.42 | streuner | Agrajag-: you're welcome. |
| 01:18.53 | hyphenex | Webmin with debian doesn't display apache configuration or anything... that sucks |
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| 01:19.48 | abrotman | hyphenex: i'm going to give you the best advice you may ever receive .. STOP USING WEBMIN |
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| 01:20.05 | hyphenex | abrotman, I've used it for as long as I've been using Linux though :( |
| 01:20.16 | hyphenex | and there's nothing like Yast for debian is there? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | hyphenex: time to start learning then.. |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | hyphenex: what are you trying to do? configure apache ? |
| 01:20.31 | streuner | hyphenex: hell, no |
| 01:20.32 | seth1248 | cureless: There is no part under the audio section of Control Center that has anything to do with arts. |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | !yast |
| 01:20.44 | dpkg | hmm... yast is Yet Another Stupid package Tool :), or http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:21.18 | magyar | need mutt help. I need to delete a whole bunch of files in maildir folder. How can i select "from here to the end" ??? |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | hyphenex: honestly .. it's in your best interest to learn how to do it manually |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | magyar: ask #mutt ? |
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| 01:21.44 | hyphenex | I don't like manual, are there any nifty tools?? |
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| 01:21.52 | abrotman | vi |
| 01:21.59 | hyphenex | other then webmin if that wants to be stubourn on debian? |
| 01:22.07 | enouf | hyphenex: no |
| 01:22.12 | hyphenex | None? |
| 01:22.17 | enouf | no |
| 01:22.20 | hyphenex | man, only the true nerds must use debian |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | and you want us to help you ? |
| 01:22.30 | enouf | go away now |
| 01:22.33 | itrebal | i'm having issues with debian in general, is it a bug than even if i tell GRUB to install on /dev/fd0 it still says its installing on /dev/hd0 ? not only that, but it appears to fail *every* time |
| 01:22.46 | hyphenex | shame I'm about effeciancy, I might move off Suse then :P |
| 01:23.07 | hyphenex | Oahh, but apt-get is all so nice |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | hyphenex: if you actually want to learn what you're doing ..skip the point/click tools |
| 01:23.10 | enouf | CLI is efficiency you bozo |
| 01:23.14 | hyphenex | Can't I have the best of both worlds? |
| 01:23.28 | hyphenex | :'( but I like the point click toold :( |
| 01:24.03 | enouf | !jfgi hyphenex troll=howto |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | !info araneida etch |
| 01:24.25 | dpkg | araneida: (A programmable web server written and extended in Lisp), section web, is extra. Version: 0.90.1-dfsg-2 (etch), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 760 kB |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | okay ... who wrote that?!?! |
| 01:24.44 | enouf | you .. |
| 01:24.51 | hyphenex | ok, ok... let's say I want to stick with Webmin |
| 01:24.52 | Sabrejack | jfgi? |
| 01:24.59 | hyphenex | is there a way I get apt-get webmib-*? |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | hyphenex: you don't |
| 01:25.04 | hyphenex | will apt-get accept wildcards? |
| 01:25.07 | enouf | !main araneida |
| 01:25.11 | Guerin | hyphenex: you don't want to stick with webmin. |
| 01:25.15 | enouf | !maint araneida |
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| 01:25.18 | Azar | hyphenex: I assume one reason you moved to (not any linux distro) but Debian is learning new ways, try to put a little effort , get curious and you will feel happier |
| 01:25.18 | dpkg | araneida: Peter Van Eynde <pvaneynd@debian.org> |
| 01:25.18 | hyphenex | I think I know what I want :P |
| 01:25.39 | Guerin | hyphenex: if you think do, then you are misinformed. |
| 01:25.45 | Guerin | s/think/think you/ |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | hyphenex: you're confused :) |
| 01:25.50 | Sabrejack | I would prefer fewer people learn linux and not increase competition for my job. |
| 01:25.52 | hyphenex | Azar, I liked apt-get, and decided to go with where it was born |
| 01:25.53 | enouf | !tell Sabrejack about fgi :) |
| 01:25.57 | Azar | hyphenex: I suggest take the good advices here and kick webmin. Use what is recommended here |
| 01:26.00 | Guerin | hyphenex: webmin is so shit is was removed from debian |
| 01:26.02 | enouf | !fgi |
| 01:26.02 | dpkg | well, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 01:26.09 | hyphenex | aww, come on. It's my 18th birthday today, can't I use just webmin?? |
| 01:26.14 | Guerin | hyphenex: no. |
| 01:26.22 | hyphenex | please??? |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | you're a man now .. use vi :) |
| 01:26.23 | enouf | Sabrejack: I just added "just" |
| 01:26.30 | Sabrejack | ah hah |
| 01:26.32 | itrebal | Any ideas on my problem above? |
| 01:26.33 | Sabrejack | neato. |
| 01:26.34 | Azar | hyphenex: hint: I got more goodies from people here that you never heard of |
| 01:26.55 | enouf | !smack the 18yr old |
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| 01:27.02 | Guerin | homey, i got rhythms I haven't used yet |
| 01:27.12 | Azar | hyphenex: install "vim" comes with "vimtutor" play with vimtutor |
| 01:27.14 | abrotman | itrebal: i've noticed that if you install to hda it tries to install on fd0 :) |
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| 01:27.39 | Sabrejack | huh! I never knew about vimtutor |
| 01:27.43 | hyphenex | apt-get install webmin* didn't work |
| 01:27.55 | Azar | Sabrejack: if you installed vim it is in there just type: vimtutor |
| 01:28.11 | Guerin | hyphenex: webmin WAS REMOVED FROM DEBIAN because it was too shit |
| 01:28.12 | Azar | and is as pleasant as nethack |
| 01:28.23 | hyphenex | Then what replaced it? |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | vi |
| 01:28.27 | Guerin | though it might still be in sarge |
| 01:28.31 | Azar | yay, see, hyphenex you are using something too shitty |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | it is still in sarge |
| 01:28.45 | hyphenex | how do I download with sarge then? |
| 01:28.50 | Guerin | webmin contains a webserver in perl, ffs |
| 01:28.55 | Guerin | hyphenex: you don't. |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | hyphenex: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 01:29.06 | Sabrejack | heh |
| 01:29.22 | itrebal | abrotman: grr.. this is irritaitng |
| 01:29.23 | hyphenex | ii libc6 |
| 01:29.28 | enouf | dpkg webmin is also : shit! |
| 01:29.28 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | hyphenex: the whole line |
| 01:29.43 | Guerin | hyphenex: that's not the whole output |
| 01:29.46 | Guerin | you eejit |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | enouf: that was already there iirc |
| 01:29.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | What's the problem with webmin ? |
| 01:29.57 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 01:29.57 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or : shit! |
| 01:30.08 | Guerin | Ox0F0-0FF: read the links above |
| 01:30.11 | itrebal | abrotman: mostly because it won't ever boot... |
| 01:30.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | Guerin, as usual... Thank you :) |
| 01:30.25 | enouf | abrotman: double time :-) |
| 01:30.27 | easytiger | yea... dudes. just ssh into the box and do it that way |
| 01:30.38 | hyphenex | libc6 2.3.2ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:30.49 | Guerin | hyphenex: no webmin for you. SO sad. |
| 01:30.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hahahahaha "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 01:30.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | good one :) |
| 01:31.04 | hyphenex | GARRGHHTHTHASHSHDH |
| 01:31.14 | hyphenex | I Miss Webmin, or at least Yast |
| 01:31.15 | Sabrejack | I think you broke him. |
| 01:31.19 | hyphenex | ANY tool is better then none :( |
| 01:31.24 | abrotman | vi is a tool |
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| 01:31.31 | Guerin | hyphenex: NO tool is better than yast or webmin. |
| 01:31.43 | hyphenex | But I want them so much |
| 01:31.50 | abrotman | then go use SuSE |
| 01:31.52 | Guerin | hyphenex: go back to using Luse |
| 01:31.58 | hyphenex | But I want apt-get |
| 01:32.07 | hyphenex | I want the best of both world |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | apt4rpm ? |
| 01:32.10 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.12 | Guerin | you cvan give Novecrosoft some love while you're there |
| 01:32.20 | enouf | !comfort hyphenex |
| 01:32.20 | dpkg | There, there, hyphenex. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | magyar: did you ask #mutt yet? |
| 01:32.27 | Guerin | magyar: tag them with <spc> or some other way |
| 01:32.49 | Guerin | magyar: then operate on them with ;<keystroke> |
| 01:32.52 | jovans | uh i have installed today debian sid |
| 01:32.55 | magyar | Guerin: what if i need to tag a few thousand messages? |
| 01:33.01 | hyphenex | I'm so sad now |
| 01:33.12 | hyphenex | I wanted a nice nifty webmin interface so badly :( |
| 01:33.13 | Guerin | magyar: then use 'some other way' such as mutt's excellent regex matching |
| 01:33.18 | enouf | !knoppixsmite hyphenex |
| 01:33.24 | jovans | but there are a lot of packages there are old on unstable |
| 01:33.26 | hyphenex | hell, I'm going to install all the webmin modules one by one |
| 01:33.27 | Guerin | hyphenex: if you wanted it badly enough you'd find a way to install webmin |
| 01:33.30 | jovans | gnome 2.14 |
| 01:33.36 | jovans | example |
| 01:33.38 | Guerin | hyphenex: don'ty complain to us about i t |
| 01:34.08 | enouf | hyphenex: go away |
| 01:34.10 | Guerin | jovans: a release is imminent, of stable. Things slow down a bit as devs work on that. |
| 01:34.29 | jovans | thank u guerin |
| 01:34.34 | jovans | for answer |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | jovans: gnome 2.16 is partially in experimetnal |
| 01:34.49 | jovans | why? |
| 01:34.57 | jovans | it is a stable release of gnome |
| 01:35.08 | jovans | i don't understand |
| 01:35.11 | Guerin | jovans: don't mean a damn thing |
| 01:35.29 | Guerin | jovans: devs still have to audit it, package it, make sure it all works, etc. |
| 01:35.31 | hyphenex | can I tell apt-get to install a bunch of things and ignore those packages that can't be installed? |
| 01:35.36 | Guerin | hyphenex: no. |
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| 01:36.08 | hyphenex | :( come on, it's only a virtual machine, just for experimenting, playing and learning |
| 01:36.20 | jovans | experimental? |
| 01:36.26 | Guerin | hyphenex: go crazy and learn something, then! |
| 01:36.29 | jovans | i don't wont to use it |
| 01:36.55 | itrebal | GRR.. just as i thought - hard disk error |
| 01:36.55 | jovans | unstable its ok for me |
| 01:36.55 | Guerin | jovans: so don't. Contrary to popular belief, gnome 2.16 is not necessary to a complete and fulfilling life. |
| 01:37.32 | hyphenex | is there an apt-remove webmin?? |
| 01:37.34 | jovans | ok however is there an artwork team on debian? |
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| 01:38.08 | Guerin | jovans: i think so. Ask on debian-devel mailing list |
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| 01:38.27 | Guerin | hyphenex: you did something stupid, and now you can undoi it. We told you so. |
| 01:38.32 | Guerin | hyphenex: man apt-get |
| 01:38.49 | jovans | ok one question before i go to bed ;) |
| 01:38.52 | hyphenex | Guerin, I'm just doing what you said to do :P, not using it :P |
| 01:39.04 | Guerin | hyphenex: if that's the case, why is anything broken? |
| 01:39.16 | jovans | where i have to put my hdparm opts? in wich config file? |
| 01:39.27 | hyphenex | Guerin, Nope, just keeping the VM nice and tidy |
| 01:39.31 | hyphenex | tis only got a tiny hard disk |
| 01:39.36 | jovans | hdparm and hwtools are present and installed |
| 01:39.48 | hyphenex | apt-get remove worked :) |
| 01:39.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | jovans, This usually is in the man page |
| 01:40.18 | itguru | Is there any applicatyion that provides functionality similar to webmin, but in a more secure manner on the latest version of debiain? *etch* I believe it's called |
| 01:40.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | Also, with debian rules, anything related to a config file (in an official package) should be somewhere in /etc |
| 01:40.53 | jovans | i know the manpage but where to put the parameters |
| 01:41.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | itguru, ssh works well :) |
| 01:41.07 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: some are generated |
| 01:41.25 | kkrauss | owned lol |
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| 01:42.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, true, I didn't phrase it right, sorry |
| 01:42.09 | itguru | 0x0F0 - I personally love SSH, but I get asked all the time for webmin replacements, and I got no advice for anyone :( |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | itguru: there's a reason they don't exist |
| 01:42.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | itguru, Tell the lazy windows admins to learn about unix ? |
| 01:42.52 | kkrauss | damn i dont have operator acces to #lesbian ugh |
| 01:42.53 | itguru | abrotman-> I'm guessing because they are inhernetly insecure? |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | kkrauss: stop |
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| 01:43.21 | abrotman | itguru: you're allowing anyone with a browser to possibly have access to your box and make administrative changes |
| 01:43.25 | itguru | 0x0F0 - If I did, I'd be out of a job :) |
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| 01:44.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, saying this is like saying you allow anyone able to download putty to "possibly have access to your box and make administrative changes" |
| 01:44.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | or any ssh client... |
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| 01:45.00 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: yes .. but have you ever seen the security issue list for webmin ? |
| 01:45.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | itguru, Actually, sshd in debian is the openbsd ssh daemon.... which is known to be fairly secure... |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | you can also exploit a remote hole in apache and local root exploit and get the same |
| 01:45.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, We were talking about a "webmin-like" |
| 01:45.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | not webmin |
| 01:45.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | just the kind of system |
| 01:45.53 | easytiger | yea.. just ssh in and admin like a real man |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: the others are closed-source iirc |
| 01:46.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, well, nothing prevents him from coding one :) |
| 01:46.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, I won't play " have the biggest one" with you.... |
| 01:46.43 | gpm | hey all. is there an rss aggregator that does digest auth? |
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| 01:46.55 | kkrauss | wow, wish I understood that lol |
| 01:46.58 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: go ahead! |
| 01:46.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | Especialy with all the time you helped me... and the respect I got for you. |
| 01:47.05 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehehe |
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| 01:47.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, let's drop it ;) |
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| 01:47.41 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: anyone can write one .. they make you dependent on the tool .. and the only OSS i know of has a horrible security track record |
| 01:47.48 | itguru | okay, this is completly unrelated to the current convo, but is there a package that provides a 'virtual' sound card, and maybe can redirect the sound output to another computer to be played out on that system? |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | mpd ? |
| 01:48.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, calm down, I didn't mean to piss you off, I was just arguing for fun.... lay back :) |
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| 01:48.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | I'm a big ssh fan anyways :P |
| 01:48.38 | itguru | mpd? Multiple Personality Disorder?!? |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: i'm not pissed off |
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| 01:49.22 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: i do wish there were more tools available via the .. ick .. windows telnet server |
| 01:49.25 | hyphenex | it's apt-get sshd to install SSH right? |
| 01:49.32 | pickcoder | ssh |
| 01:49.35 | liable | for sarge yes |
| 01:49.39 | Azar | itguru: why not music player daemon? |
| 01:49.40 | liable | err |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | itguru: does mpd look useful ? |
| 01:50.07 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i check the syntac of a nagios config before reloading nagios ? |
| 01:50.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, Well, I dono if windows should be considered to access a unix server as root... especialy with the huge possibility of spyware... |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:50.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | evilbulgarian, RTFM ? |
| 01:51.03 | Sabrejack | welp, thanks for the help guys. ttfn. |
| 01:51.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | evilbulgarian, #nagios ? |
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| 01:51.50 | itguru | Azar, abrotman -> I'm looking at it now, music was not the aim... it was actually sound |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 01:53.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | ttfn ? |
| 01:54.16 | pickcoder | ta-ta for now |
| 01:54.38 | pickcoder | haven't been chatting long eh? |
| 01:54.47 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 01:54.52 | Guerin | must have been insulated by retards |
| 01:54.57 | Guerin | err, from |
| 01:54.58 | Guerin | not by |
| 01:55.03 | Azar | :) |
| 01:55.12 | Azar | teletubbies |
| 01:55.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | pickcoder, there's like years I hang in this chan and others |
| 01:55.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | first time I see this one |
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| 01:56.23 | pickcoder | whatever you do.. don't say LOL. LOL really annoys a few people in here. So, avoid saying LOL.. |
| 01:56.46 | Azar | Ox0F0-0FF: hehe you haven't seen it all: like the dungeons from webtv for example |
| 01:57.03 | pickcoder | webtv.. heh |
| 01:57.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh |
| 01:57.17 | pickcoder | I wonder how long the production line ran |
| 01:57.19 | Azar | pickcoder: been there coded audioscopes? |
| 01:57.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | pickcoder, I'm not this kind of poor lamer, thank you... |
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| 01:58.18 | pickcoder | Ox0F0-0FF: I was just being an arse about how offended some people get about IRC short-hand |
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| 01:58.24 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 01:59.17 | Azar | irc slang hurts the normal language, it sounds bad and offending |
| 01:59.25 | pickcoder | so does english |
| 01:59.32 | zunshine | Hey guys, I forgot the command to run lm-sensors from the terminal. Anyone? |
| 01:59.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | Well, It's actually easy to get, people get on IRC to get or provide help or simply to enjoy a nice and calm moment.... they usually hate beeing disturbed in this little digital heaven :) |
| 01:59.44 | pickcoder | sensors? |
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| 01:59.52 | pickcoder | +/- sensors-detect |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | in his defense ... 'ttfn' is more AOL/MSN lingo than IRC |
| 02:00.26 | Azar | hyphenex: now you are in the "ewww" ranks |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | hyphenex: i hope your fingers fall off! |
| 02:00.37 | hyphenex | :( |
| 02:00.42 | hyphenex | But it's soooo prettyful |
| 02:00.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | And soooo security exposed... |
| 02:01.06 | pickcoder | abrotman: it's not AOL.. it's been around long before AOL came into the chat raealm |
| 02:01.08 | pickcoder | realm too |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | i've only seen it on AOL,etc |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | never on IRC |
| 02:01.45 | pickcoder | even on DALnet? |
| 02:01.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | This certainly is why I never saw it |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: i don't frequent those kinds of places :) |
| 02:01.58 | pickcoder | exactly |
| 02:02.00 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:02.03 | Azar | ewww the dark and smelly dalnet dungeons |
| 02:02.12 | hyphenex | It's only a VM on my LAN, I don't think it's exposed that much :P |
| 02:02.17 | pickcoder | ttfn, ttyl, cyiab |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | kids |
| 02:02.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | I hanged a LOT on dalnet.... before the giant splits..... and not there did I see it either :P |
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| 02:03.09 | Guerin | what about fiar? |
| 02:03.17 | pickcoder | that's a new one |
| 02:03.33 | Guerin | it stands for 'fuck, I'm a retard' |
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| 02:03.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 02:03.57 | hyphenex | I've got another question (you guys are going to hate me when I ask this)... Is there a way (possibly through samba) to mount my entire virtual machine's root directory (/) with full read-write access to everything over the network? |
| 02:04.12 | Guerin | hyphenex: yes. |
| 02:04.24 | hyphenex | Guerin, Sweet :D, how do I do that? |
| 02:04.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, find a samba tutorial ? |
| 02:04.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | or read the samba doc... |
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| 02:05.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, you can even do it not protected by any passqord or anything |
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| 02:05.35 | Guerin | hyphenex: you read lots of samba and/or nfs documentation |
| 02:05.39 | hyphenex | okies... I just go apt-get samba right? |
| 02:05.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | ....running samba as root :) |
| 02:05.44 | hyphenex | apt-get install samba |
| 02:05.53 | Guerin | hyphenex: because this is not a debian issue, and moreover it's an amazingly stupid thing to do. |
| 02:06.02 | Guerin | then again |
| 02:06.06 | hyphenex | It's on my LAN |
| 02:06.11 | Guerin | by your standards it's probably quite normal |
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| 02:06.23 | hyphenex | tehehehe, only my LAN |
| 02:06.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 02:06.27 | hyphenex | Err http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main defoma 0.11.8-0.1 |
| 02:06.27 | hyphenex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.28 | Guerin | so you think |
| 02:06.39 | agentbob | is it possible to get crontab to email a diff address on output? perhaps with environment variable |
| 02:06.41 | itchi | hyphenex: Look the ip |
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| 02:06.42 | hyphenex | that's a DNS issue right? |
| 02:06.44 | Guerin | hyphenex: fix your nameserver |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | oh .. he's australian .. it all makes sense! |
| 02:06.47 | longon | i have installed aspell and aspell-en but application still cannot detect the dictionary. in which dir is the dictionary supposed to be? |
| 02:06.50 | hyphenex | Guerin, How? |
| 02:06.53 | gpm | anyone know an rss reader/aggregator that does digest auth? |
| 02:07.03 | Guerin | hyphenex: by doing the thing. |
| 02:07.04 | pickcoder | hyphenex: no.. that is not DNS, it's a routing issue |
| 02:07.11 | hyphenex | routing issue?? |
| 02:07.15 | hyphenex | now I'm confused |
| 02:07.23 | pickcoder | can you ping ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 02:07.25 | hyphenex | the IP address is 1.0.0.0 |
| 02:07.25 | Guerin | pickcoder: no. ftp.au.d.o is resolving to 10.0.0.1 |
| 02:07.26 | hyphenex | yes |
| 02:07.29 | hyphenex | I can ping it |
| 02:07.30 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:07.31 | Guerin | 0 |
| 02:07.33 | hyphenex | then if I ran the command it'd work |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | pick another mirror |
| 02:07.42 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:07.46 | pickcoder | well that's brilliant |
| 02:07.50 | Guerin | innit |
| 02:08.13 | hyphenex | It gets annoying having to terminate the command, just to ping it again before running apt again just to install something :( |
| 02:08.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) I should log all this to show my kids someday :) |
| 02:08.36 | longon | no one uses aspell here? |
| 02:08.38 | itchi | hyphenex: Ping workgs right here to it |
| 02:08.38 | Guerin | it's not as funny as you think |
| 02:08.44 | pickcoder | like digital scrolls from the ancient past? |
| 02:08.49 | Guerin | !anyone use aspell? |
| 02:08.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses aspell, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:08.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, You should read man apt-cache apt-get to start with |
| 02:09.07 | agentbob | ah n/m found it... fyi MAILTO evn var |
| 02:09.21 | longon | anyone Guerin? |
| 02:09.54 | evilbulgarian | hi, im getting "[ERROR] Default storage engine (InnoDB) is not available" how do i enable innoDB in debian's version of mysql? |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | longon: might need ispell |
| 02:10.18 | pickcoder | longon: are you taking a poll on how many people use it or do you have an issue with it? |
| 02:10.39 | Guerin | i'm Guerin |
| 02:10.43 | hyphenex | but I can ping it |
| 02:10.46 | hyphenex | then run apt |
| 02:10.48 | hyphenex | and it'll run fine |
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| 02:11.04 | hyphenex | it's just if I try and run apt before pinging it, then it'll give me that error |
| 02:11.05 | longon | pickcoder: few lines back, i said: i have installed aspell and aspell-en but application still cannot detect the dictionary. in which dir is the dictionary supposed to be? |
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| 02:11.19 | pickcoder | ah.. I see it |
| 02:11.40 | longon | abrotman: thks, will try that. |
| 02:12.09 | Crankymonky | is toram the bootup parameter to load everything to ram in debian? |
| 02:12.32 | longon | abrotman: ispell had already been installed. |
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| 02:12.39 | abrotman | longon: which application ? |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | Crankymonky: are you on a timer ? |
| 02:12.51 | longon | evolution email. |
| 02:12.59 | Crankymonky | abrotman, no |
| 02:13.01 | Crankymonky | or, yes |
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| 02:13.06 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:13.07 | Crankymonky | but times irrelevant |
| 02:13.17 | longon | no dictionary present for Compose spellcheck. |
| 02:13.19 | Crankymonky | Let's say I'm not, how about that? |
| 02:13.45 | pickcoder | longon: the application may be pointing aspell to a non-existant dictionary |
| 02:13.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, cat /etc/resolv.conf | grep nameserver <=== what this returns ? |
| 02:13.53 | pickcoder | find out if evo has it's own dictionaries |
| 02:14.01 | pickcoder | apt-cache search evolution |
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| 02:14.14 | State-Prison | http://camerademo.dyndns.org:87 work for u guyz ? |
| 02:14.14 | longon | pickcoder: i believe so. which dir should the dict be in? |
| 02:14.19 | Crankymonky | abrotman, What's the timer have to do with this? |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | State-Prison: please don't spam us |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | Crankymonky: just wondering |
| 02:14.43 | State-Prison | sry but i want know if work for another ppl |
| 02:14.46 | State-Prison | dont work on me |
| 02:14.49 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, nameserver 10.1.1.1 - but that is my poo router DNS thing, I'm much prefere to use my ISP's one (My router is queer) |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | then it's broken |
| 02:14.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | State-Prison, Do we look like browsers ? |
| 02:14.52 | Crankymonky | You don't know if toram is the command? |
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| 02:14.59 | abrotman | !find toram sarge |
| 02:15.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'toram' (1): (/usr/share/doc/hwb/html/connector/av/rfmonitoramiga1000.html) in non-free/doc/hwb. |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | no help |
| 02:15.20 | Crankymonky | Nope |
| 02:15.26 | hyphenex | State-Prison, Firefox doesn't let me on that port |
| 02:15.29 | Crankymonky | I know knoppix has the boot parameter toram |
| 02:15.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, echo "nameserver 4.2.2.1" > /etc/resolv.conf <== try this |
| 02:15.38 | Crankymonky | so I was hoping it was a debian thing |
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| 02:15.48 | abrotman | oh .. probably not .. knoppix is NOT debian |
| 02:16.04 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, Done |
| 02:16.05 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:16.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, retry now |
| 02:16.18 | Guerin | why would a real OS need a 'toram' option? |
| 02:16.20 | State-Prison | hyphenex i got that too with firefox |
| 02:16.30 | pickcoder | longon: probably in /usr/lib/aspell-<version> |
| 02:16.36 | State-Prison | and what about IE ? |
| 02:16.44 | Crankymonky | Guerin, it wouldn't, but I just want to fool around with it |
| 02:16.51 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, I think it's working... it's hard to tell |
| 02:16.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | State-Prison, hyphenex's DNS server is broken, don't rely on this |
| 02:17.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, you router's DNS is broken or won't answer the debian box IP |
| 02:17.42 | State-Prison | Ox0F0-0FF work for u ? |
| 02:18.09 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, I'm just going to set up a manual IP in webmin then |
| 02:18.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | State-Prison, I don't need to be spammed. What about using a proxy to perform the test yourself ? |
| 02:18.24 | longon | pickcoder: thks, will give it a try. |
| 02:18.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, nah, it works now, leave it this way |
| 02:18.40 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, Ok :) |
| 02:18.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, without reading man pages, you'll never go anywhere |
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| 02:19.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, check on debian reference on the debian site, it's pretty well done and will help you a lot |
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| 02:19.39 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, Okies, thanks. I don't want to be a linux admin, I'm just trying to port a game server to Linux |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | is that all ? |
| 02:20.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | Without knowing the system, you want to do efficient programming ? |
| 02:20.52 | Crankymonky | I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say being a linux admin would be easier than porting a game server |
| 02:20.54 | easytiger | lol |
| 02:20.56 | Guerin | he's 18 and impressionable, and thinks he knows everything |
| 02:21.06 | Guerin | i was there once |
| 02:21.33 | Azar | my dream was to have my own mail server, but was long time ago.. |
| 02:21.45 | Guerin | but I spoent my time breaking into the school swimming pool and skinnydipping with the woman who's now my wife, not trying to port a fuckign game server |
| 02:21.52 | Crankymonky | "My dream was to have my own mail server, but then gmail came out" |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | Guerin: then you fell off a bike :) |
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| 02:22.16 | Guerin | abrotman: been falling off bikes since I was a kid, they just get bigger |
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| 02:22.26 | Azar | Crankymonky: never used gmail, still sitting on yahoo |
| 02:22.29 | fedx | i can't seem to get dpms to work. i added the option to xorg.config, and did an xset +dmps. using vesa. it's a laptop. any ideas? |
| 02:22.30 | abrotman | Guerin: and go faster |
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| 02:22.34 | zinx | hyphenex: i'm sure i'll regret this, but what game? |
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| 02:22.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, Without reading docs... I am pretty sure you'll fail. But well, good luck :) |
| 02:23.05 | Crankymonky | Azar, Gmail is hot, I'll tell you that--Free POP, and enough configs to make it feel like you're running your own mailserver |
| 02:23.07 | hyphenex | zinx, Hero Quest. It's an old board game, I'm writing a multiplayer online version of it |
| 02:23.23 | Guerin | gmail is still run by google, though |
| 02:23.26 | zinx | hyphenex: what APIs did you use for the game server? |
| 02:23.37 | Guerin | and until it has imap it's useless, except as a mail-forwarding service |
| 02:23.43 | hyphenex | Python using the Twisted interface |
| 02:23.43 | Azar | hehe I know is hot, but I don't like to get burned |
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| 02:23.51 | Crankymonky | ouch |
| 02:23.56 | hyphenex | Twisted framework* |
| 02:24.19 | zinx | hyphenex: hmmmmm, and it doesn't already run in Linux? |
| 02:24.24 | hyphenex | your going to hate this... client is for windows using .NET |
| 02:24.28 | hyphenex | zinx, It does, yes |
| 02:24.47 | zinx | hyphenex: erh, why does it need ported then? |
| 02:24.48 | hyphenex | zinx, But I'm moving the flat file database over share my web pages mySQL database |
| 02:24.57 | hyphenex | some Linux only stuff there |
| 02:25.00 | zinx | hyphenex: oh |
| 02:25.03 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm... coded in python.... that's an other story then |
| 02:25.24 | hyphenex | Python rules |
| 02:25.27 | smacnay | hi, are there tools for blog creation on a personal level or is it just html? |
| 02:25.27 | zinx | hyphenex: different issue then... you might like this, though. mono runs in Linux (it's an alternative .NET framework/interpreter) |
| 02:25.55 | yanmorin | smacnay: php, python, ruby, perl, ... |
| 02:25.57 | zinx | hyphenex: may be worth it to either fix up mono so it'll run your client, or not use the features mono hasn't yet implemented ;) |
| 02:26.04 | zinx | hyphenex: depending on how much you care |
| 02:26.17 | hyphenex | zinx, Yep, I'm hpoing to run my client through Mono next year. Although, there is a lot of things with Mono that's not implimented yet :( |
| 02:26.18 | smacnay | yanmorin: thanks - I know nothing about blogs or how they are created, where they are hosted, etc. |
| 02:26.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, Almost every language I know rules... It's all a matter of choosing the right language for the right use. |
| 02:26.39 | hyphenex | zinx, And I've got to re-write it all in C# and get away from VB |
| 02:30.16 | longon | pickcoder: no good. |
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| 02:32.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, Why not freeing yourself ? C++ ? |
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| 02:32.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | you could be right away multiplatform... |
| 02:33.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | I mean... multi OS |
| 02:33.15 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, The project had to be build in under a year, was a big project with Client, graphics, Server & Matchmaking server all build from scratch, Python & Twisted are multi-OS |
| 02:33.22 | itchi | Cross platform?? |
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| 02:33.28 | DerJamster | Or heck, Java. |
| 02:33.30 | Roey | (yeay python!) |
| 02:33.46 | hyphenex | Python & VB was the best RAD languages I could have used |
| 02:33.50 | TraceGreen | I compile my kernel myself, when boot, kernel would show loaded driver boot info. How can i set kernel not to show such info? |
| 02:33.59 | itchi | Roey: Also stone of Python?? :-p |
| 02:34.01 | pickcoder | C# can be compiled with mono |
| 02:34.10 | yanmorin | TraceGreen: "quiet" ? |
| 02:34.34 | Roey | stone of python? |
| 02:34.39 | Roey | itchi: python has claimed me since '97 |
| 02:34.40 | pickcoder | longon: I dunno. You might want to try google. |
| 02:34.42 | Roey | I fell in love with it |
| 02:34.44 | Roey | I even met Guido |
| 02:34.55 | Roey | and it was during the course of volunteer work at NIST no less |
| 02:34.57 | itchi | Roey: addicted too ... |
| 02:34.59 | TraceGreen | yanmorin, do you mean I add parameter "quite" to my kernel? |
| 02:35.01 | Roey | yeah? |
| 02:35.08 | Roey | itchi: like, it's just so *straightforward* |
| 02:35.12 | Roey | that's what I like about it |
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| 02:35.21 | longon | pickcoder: doing that right now, browsing thro' ximian maillist. |
| 02:35.26 | Roey | bist Du in... wo? |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | Roey: but you hate debian ? |
| 02:35.31 | yanmorin | TraceGreen: do you start the kernel with grub? |
| 02:35.32 | itchi | Roey: Yeah, and made by an Dutch guy :-) |
| 02:35.33 | Roey | abrotman: no, ubuntu |
| 02:35.36 | Roey | abrotman: fuckubuntu. |
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| 02:35.40 | TraceGreen | yanmorin, yeah! |
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| 02:35.47 | hyphenex | If your interested, you could check out my development blog and screen-shots? |
| 02:35.49 | yanmorin | add quiet to the kernel line |
| 02:36.02 | Roey | itchi: :) |
| 02:36.12 | Roey | itchi: ok, so you're Dutch and in Belgium, you tell me hten: |
| 02:36.21 | itchi | Roey: :-p |
| 02:36.27 | Roey | itchi: we have a kid in #kde-devel who is Dutch but lives in Belgium. |
| 02:36.27 | itchi | Roey: French too |
| 02:36.55 | Roey | itchi: how do you keep your culture enough to still be a separate culture living in a host country? |
| 02:37.05 | Roey | itchi: like, why isn't it just "belgian" |
| 02:37.06 | Roey | ? |
| 02:37.21 | Roey | itchi: I guess here in America we do the same thing... african-american, right. |
| 02:37.23 | itchi | Roey: Yeah, why |
| 02:37.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | yeah, or simply using "english" or "spanish" ? |
| 02:38.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | Why not "american" ? |
| 02:38.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | Damn, we got such time to waste tonight... |
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| 02:38.31 | abrotman | "we" ? |
| 02:38.43 | yanmorin | and during this time, we don't package and fix bug... |
| 02:38.55 | itchi | Roey: the /Dutch/ language in Belgium is the 'Vlaamse' language |
| 02:39.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, Roey, by asking stupid questions and I by making stupid answers |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:39.16 | itchi | Roey: A bit modified, yeah why?? |
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| 02:39.38 | itchi | Roey: From where are you? |
| 02:39.52 | Roey | itchi: flemish? |
| 02:39.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, With such an attitude.... US |
| 02:40.01 | TraceGreen | yanmorin, thanks! |
| 02:40.12 | itchi | Roey: In English, probably ;-) |
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| 02:40.31 | Roey | Ox0F0-0FF: I thought you were a bot pfft :) |
| 02:40.38 | itchi | Roey: It's because of an long history that these is a bit modified. |
| 02:40.39 | Roey | itchi: israel originally, then america. |
| 02:40.43 | Roey | itchi: ah |
| 02:40.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | Roey, I AM a bot |
| 02:40.52 | Roey | itchi: wie alter Sie? |
| 02:41.04 | itchi | Ox0F0-0FF: You work very bad, for an bot :-) |
| 02:41.07 | Roey | ich bin 26 |
| 02:41.30 | Azar | du beast? |
| 02:41.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, I'm sure you never seen an arguing bot :P |
| 02:41.35 | Gnurdux | oh? |
| 02:41.47 | itchi | Roey: 25 but i'm not understand the German language. Originally i'm an dialect one. Speaking Brussels with family |
| 02:41.50 | Gnurdux | i've made a bot that can "argue" |
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| 02:41.57 | itchi | Ox0F0-0FF: :-p |
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| 02:42.13 | Gnurdux | !botwar |
| 02:42.14 | dpkg | apt2: pfft |
| 02:42.14 | GnurdyGuy | !botwar |
| 02:42.15 | Gnurdux | !part |
| 02:42.15 | dpkg | part is, like, a win32 partition editor and the homepage at http://www.ranish.com/part/ |
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| 02:42.23 | Roey | itchi: ahhhhh |
| 02:42.28 | rc-1 | my comp crashed while i was in eclipse, now eclipse wont open, and in the error log it says it failed to exit normally and theres a workspace error, how would i fix? |
| 02:42.28 | Gnurdux | now, if you have 2 of them, you can imagine... |
| 02:42.33 | Roey | itchi: what brought you over to python? :) |
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| 02:42.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | Gnurdux, There's a project with a bot that talks to you like a human... or almost. I spent 5 to 10 minutes before thinking something was strange |
| 02:42.46 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 02:42.49 | itchi | Roey: Yeah, we have 3 official languages, can you believe that of us nut-land :-) |
| 02:42.50 | Gnurdux | gimme the link :P |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | it's a turing test |
| 02:43.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | Gnurdux, This was a bunch of time ago, but http://www.google.com will help |
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| 02:44.29 | itchi | Roey: ar, Zope, Plone, had need for an _good_ language that was free and cross platform, while i was on windows |
| 02:44.30 | Guerin | itchi: not as bad as the USA, which has n official languages |
| 02:44.44 | yanmorin | n? |
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| 02:44.57 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, how big is Belgium? ;-) |
| 02:45.03 | Guerin | yanmorin: n. |
| 02:45.11 | itchi | Guerin: Or maybe, how many nuts can you put on Belgium? |
| 02:45.25 | Guerin | itchi: bigger than singapore |
| 02:45.35 | itchi | Guerin: haha |
| 02:46.43 | itchi | Roey: I had need to do many little scriptings task, ala Bash but on Windows, i not liked the comercial stuff that Microsoft sell to expensif |
| 02:46.44 | Azar | which would be the "social" channel here on freenode? I have a general non-debian question |
| 02:47.13 | Guerin | yanmorin: the issue being that the US has NO official language, so by default ANY langauge may be used officially |
| 02:47.28 | hyphenex | :S I just tried to do apt-get and it was 403, forbidden |
| 02:47.34 | Guerin | Azar: depends on the question. |
| 02:47.50 | itchi | Guerin: Serious, no official language there? |
| 02:48.00 | Azar | Guerin, is trivial, I need to send a DVD in europe don't know if us-based DVDs work there |
| 02:48.07 | itchi | heh, sounds strange that |
| 02:48.14 | Guerin | itchi: how could they have? The place was jointly colonised by the english, dutch, french, spanish and random others |
| 02:48.15 | yanmorin | the "official" language is the one in which every law is written no? |
| 02:48.16 | hyphenex | there we go. It's working now :) |
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| 02:48.32 | Guerin | Azar: only in a multi-region player |
| 02:48.41 | Guerin | yanmorin: absolutely not. |
| 02:48.42 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, right |
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| 02:49.11 | Azar | Guerin thanks for the hint |
| 02:49.30 | itchi | Azar: Some players have an cheat code to /crack/ that |
| 02:49.41 | Guerin | or you can just play it on a computer |
| 02:49.45 | Azar | itchi, I will ask about what player is used first |
| 02:49.58 | itchi | Azar: Yup, and internet ;-) |
| 02:50.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | Azar, They don't |
| 02:50.19 | Azar | Guerin: on a PC would look like crap: animusic is viewed at best on a DVD player |
| 02:50.32 | yanmorin | On May 18, 2006 the Senate voted on an amendment to an immigration reform bill that would declare English the national language of the United States |
| 02:50.43 | yanmorin | maybe their will be one... |
| 02:50.51 | Guerin | Azar: since a PC can be as good as a dvd player ... |
| 02:51.05 | dvs | yanmorin, at least you have only one language |
| 02:51.24 | Guerin | yanmorin: i wouldn't bet on it/. |
| 02:51.27 | Azar | Guerin: well the graphics are more vivid and clear on the player, it can be watched on a PC but will not be the same |
| 02:51.40 | yanmorin | yeah, the official language here is French ;p |
| 02:51.44 | Guerin | Azar: all depends what's plugged into the pc as a display device |
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| 02:52.18 | Guerin | yanmorin: heh, I was going to use quebec as an example of an interesting official-language thing |
| 02:52.23 | itchi | Azar: You have more pixels on your monitor that the tv can handle, have advantages and not |
| 02:52.36 | Azar | http://www.animusic.com/dvd-info-clips.html |
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| 02:53.16 | dvs | Guerin: Interesting... is an understatement |
| 02:53.34 | Guerin | dvs: indeed. |
| 02:54.04 | hyphenex | Why is my IP forbidden from apt-get??? |
| 02:54.20 | yanmorin | Guerin: yeah, 8 millions people beside 320 millions |
| 02:54.29 | Azar | hyphenex: how forbidden? |
| 02:54.33 | itchi | hyphenex: Firewall? |
| 02:55.18 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | hyphenex, did you abuse it? |
| 02:55.27 | itchi | hehe |
| 02:55.59 | yanmorin | too much free-software downloading ;p |
| 02:56.42 | dvs | yanmorin: so stop using Debian. ;-) |
| 02:56.47 | itchi | yanmorin: Woaa, we are here a bit more that with 10 millions here |
| 02:57.09 | itchi | We are smart people, and take less place :-) |
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| 02:57.24 | itchi | :-p |
| 02:57.29 | tengulre | I want running a startup script as A user, how to write su command? |
| 02:57.30 | dvs | itchi: If that's true then we REALLY waste space. ;-) |
| 02:57.39 | yanmorin | you take less place, because you have less.. |
| 02:57.48 | itchi | dvs: I just looked on wikipedia; to be honnest ;-) |
| 02:58.19 | yanmorin | tengulre: su - username -c "command script" |
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| 02:59.42 | hyphenex | 403 forbidden. I don't think I've abused it, I've been downloading from them all day though |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | use another mirror |
| 03:00.03 | hyphenex | how? |
| 03:00.13 | itchi | hyphenex: Sarge? apt-setup |
| 03:01.10 | hyphenex | I'm getting 403 forbidden to them all :( |
| 03:01.23 | itchi | hyphenex: Have you setup an firewall? |
| 03:01.38 | hyphenex | I don't think I have |
| 03:01.42 | itchi | But you not get that 403 i think |
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| 03:02.06 | hyphenex | I'm getting a 403 though :( |
| 03:02.19 | Wyzard | A firewall wouldn't return a 403 error |
| 03:02.21 | Wyzard | That's an HTTP error |
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| 03:02.40 | itchi | Wyzard: I was been thinking about it |
| 03:03.45 | hyphenex | All mirrors give me that same error :( |
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| 03:04.08 | itchi | hyphenex: You been do aptitude update (apt-get update)? |
| 03:04.12 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 03:04.55 | vook | eh, I have a humble question. I am a former debian user, but I was tempted :( but the pretty colors I saw during Ubuntu installation process (and it kinda made me feel like being lazy was okay after all). So, my question is this, with etch coming out, and myself currently running e&@!!!, is it possible (and/or advisable) for me to migrate back to pure debian by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list, or should I just bite the big one and |
| 03:04.59 | Azar | hyphenex: put the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin and show it to us |
| 03:05.51 | Azar | bite it and get the etch installer it comes out in two months, it gonna be way nicer installer and all.. |
| 03:06.20 | Azar | vook: Debian Etch will be nothing like the old Debian Woody |
| 03:06.24 | vook | sigh, that's what I thought. |
| 03:06.31 | Guerin | vook: moving to etch would require a reinstall, but if you're happy with the Brown Distribution you might as well stick to it |
| 03:07.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, do you use a proxy cache ? (squid or something ?) |
| 03:07.33 | Azar | vook: upgrade from e&@!! to Etch will be too harsh. |
| 03:07.43 | Guerin | itym 'too impossible' |
| 03:07.57 | hyphenex | No proxy cache, I'm trying to upload the apt-get results now |
| 03:08.00 | williamh | is it possible to reset cricket graph data? |
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| 03:08.08 | Guerin | !possible |
| 03:08.09 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 03:08.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh, Ilike this one |
| 03:08.55 | hyphenex | Error log at http://60.241.79.82/AptError.jpg |
| 03:08.55 | itchi | !beer dpkg |
| 03:08.59 | vook | Guerin : I'm happy, but I'm not. I like brown, it's good, a great effort, but it has made me lazy. I think it's time. I finally know enough about my laptop that I think I can handle pure debian (and I finally have place to go with good internet. |
| 03:09.00 | Nietzche | is lol possible |
| 03:09.05 | itchi | I know he like that too :-) |
| 03:09.09 | Nietzche | hm |
| 03:09.14 | Nietzche | is it possible to lol |
| 03:09.25 | Nietzche | !possible |
| 03:09.25 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 03:09.30 | Nietzche | right |
| 03:09.52 | Guerin | vook: the way is open to you, young one. |
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| 03:10.21 | vook | calling me young one, you bastard :) I remember you Guerin from years ago. |
| 03:10.26 | tonyb2006 | bbl |
| 03:10.27 | muhoo | recommend an IRC channel for linux audio related stuff? |
| 03:10.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, try an other mirror |
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| 03:10.47 | hologram | muhoo: if you build it .. they will come .. |
| 03:10.48 | muhoo | i.e. jack, ams, ardour, timidity, etc? |
| 03:10.51 | vook | tainted one |
| 03:11.34 | muhoo | hologram: yeah, but i'm looking for a channel that might already have somewhat knowledgeable people hanging 'round in it |
| 03:11.36 | vook | I must admit, I miss #debian. I don't feel quite as at home here with brown. What can brown do for you? |
| 03:11.42 | itchi | muhoo: You can make use of /msg chanserver list *foo* ,maybe will that help you |
| 03:11.52 | muhoo | itchi: thanks |
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| 03:12.45 | hologram | muhoo: if you build it .. they will come .. |
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| 03:12.59 | dvs | ...and break it down!!! |
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| 03:14.55 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | woe* |
| 03:15.03 | vook | wo wo wo |
| 03:15.04 | Roey | hologram: LOL |
| 03:15.13 | Roey | vook: :) |
| 03:15.30 | Del_Mon | !avisynth.dll |
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| 03:15.41 | hyphenex | Wait. I think it was transparent proxy having a go at me because my credit card ran out |
| 03:15.49 | Del_Mon | mplayer isn't playing .ram's because that files not in w32codecs |
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| 03:16.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, they bill you for a proxy server ? |
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| 03:16.39 | hyphenex | Ox0F0-0FF, They bill me for the internet, they put all HTTP traffic through a transparent proxy |
| 03:16.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | hyphenex, When I asked "You use a proxy ?" You said "no" |
| 03:17.05 | hyphenex | well, Transparent proxy I have no power over it... sorry, that was the last thing I expected |
| 03:17.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, anyways, the proxy must be the issue |
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| 03:17.28 | hyphenex | was |
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| 03:17.37 | hyphenex | just updated credit card and it's working fine now :) |
| 03:17.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum, ok |
| 03:17.51 | dvs | vook: why? |
| 03:17.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | I'm off sleeping |
| 03:17.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | nite nite everyone |
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| 03:18.28 | hyphenex | Night |
| 03:18.38 | thetza | #freenode-social |
| 03:18.47 | thetza | errr... |
| 03:20.31 | hyphenex | bye alls |
| 03:21.26 | Del_Mon | nevermind, it was a user error, or maybe just a bad error message |
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| 03:25.33 | dlynch | can anyone tell me why external ip's would be showing up in squid access.log? |
| 03:26.00 | dlynch | I don't see how anyone besides my local net can use the proxy |
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| 03:26.30 | abrotman | it's the IPs it's caching ? |
| 03:27.19 | dlynch | abrotman: so they would be reported in access.log? It only started reporting these addresses about 1 month ago |
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| 03:27.39 | abrotman | dlynch: well .. is the server accessible to the outside world ? |
| 03:27.55 | dlynch | no, behind a CISCO router |
| 03:28.28 | dlynch | no forwarding set up for the nix box |
| 03:28.56 | abrotman | router or firewall ? |
| 03:29.12 | abrotman | nm .. ignore htat :) |
| 03:29.25 | dlynch | :) |
| 03:29.50 | abrotman | dlynch: what do the IPs relate to ? |
| 03:32.15 | dlynch | abrotman: I am using SARG, and if I click in the respective ip it shows a number of hits to other dns names |
| 03:32.26 | dlynch | abrotman: this is one of the ip's: 64.56.157.216 |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | wiband ? |
| 03:34.16 | dlynch | abrotman: never heard of em |
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| 03:34.26 | dlynch | this is confusing :( |
| 03:34.43 | abrotman | i'm still trying to figure out Boy George ... |
| 03:34.53 | dvs | !pity abrotman |
| 03:34.54 | dpkg | I pity da fool abrotman! |
| 03:36.13 | dlynch | abrotman: heheheh |
| 03:37.10 | dlynch | abrotman: all the external ip's in my access.log seem to be hitting the same ip |
| 03:37.25 | abrotman | which is your boss isn't it ? |
| 03:37.51 | dlynch | abrotman: what to ya mean? |
| 03:38.04 | abrotman | dlynch: can you show us a sample line ? |
| 03:38.13 | dlynch | sure, can I pm? |
| 03:38.34 | dlynch | or paste to flood? |
| 03:38.39 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:38.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 03:41.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: after reading more of the xen faq .. found out that you do NOT need a core2 to do the VT stuff |
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| 03:43.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: VT is a hardware feature that's only present in the core2 afaik |
| 03:43.20 | freeone3000 | Does debian stable still use XFree86 or has it switched to xorg? |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: xen faq says you're wrong ... |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | 86 |
| 03:43.46 | Wyzard | freeone3000: xfree86 in the current stable release, xorg in the testing branch that'll be the next stable release |
| 03:43.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: moment .. i'llget the link |
| 03:43.53 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:44.01 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, thanks. |
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| 03:44.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-fcb85a149da66907086cc8ba4f0793ad01769b92 and http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/IntelVT |
| 03:44.48 | dlynch | abrotman: I have pasted some lines from access.log, they are the External IP's reporting in access.log and the sites the IP is hitting |
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| 03:46.06 | abrotman | dlynch: pasted where ? |
| 03:46.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: That's saying you don't need VT to run kernels which can be compiled specifically for Xen, like Linux |
| 03:46.45 | concept10 | how do you perform error recovery on a fat32 partition in case of unpluging (usb) before unmounting? |
| 03:46.59 | dlynch | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4472. |
| 03:47.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's showing a list of CPUs with the VT flag |
| 03:47.06 | Wyzard | abrotman: You need VT to run kernels like Windows which haven't been built to directly support Xen's paravirtualization |
| 03:47.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: ah, I see what you mean |
| 03:47.31 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | no pony :( |
| 03:47.39 | itchi | concept10: You should first unmount it |
| 03:47.40 | Roey | haha |
| 03:47.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: so there are other chips that support VT... I'm not surprised |
| 03:47.43 | Roey | abrotman: :) |
| 03:47.53 | Roey | I heard that VT is slow currently.. |
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| 03:48.00 | Roey | faster than vmware but still slower |
| 03:48.04 | Roey | than another cpu. |
| 03:48.05 | Roey | er. |
| 03:48.06 | Roey | yeah. |
| 03:48.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: my boss thinks it'll be better if i just setup roaming profiles and inject network settings/connections :) |
| 03:48.13 | Wyzard | than direct paravirtualization, you mean |
| 03:48.18 | itchi | concept10: There is testdisk, but wonder if that can help you, like probably some data are not yet writen to that usb stuff |
| 03:48.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: No vmware? |
| 03:48.41 | concept10 | itchi, I know that, but I thought it was plugged into my other box.. i works, im just worried about the error messages |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: no .. i mean .. the win32 roaming profiles would setup VPN connections whenever people login |
| 03:49.11 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:49.30 | itchi | concept10: Which one exaclty? Can you pastebin it? |
| 03:49.38 | concept10 | itchi, Nov 13 21:43:49 localhost kernel: [17179861.856000] 0:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's a bit more complicated than that .. but OT here ;) |
| 03:50.01 | itchi | concept10: Which fs have you on it? |
| 03:50.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: oh, btw, latest news: ext3 corruption while attempting a fresh reinstall :-) |
| 03:50.12 | concept10 | itchi, fat32 |
| 03:50.16 | abrotman | dlynch: that's a bit odd |
| 03:50.43 | Roey | hi all |
| 03:50.44 | Roey | so like |
| 03:50.47 | Roey | Desbian Linux |
| 03:50.49 | Roey | what do you think? |
| 03:50.53 | Roey | oh, sorry, |
| 03:50.57 | Roey | Desbian GNU/Linux |
| 03:50.58 | concept10 | itchi, I primarily use it to transfer bits between my linux and win boxes |
| 03:51.16 | itchi | Roey: Lesbian GNU/Linux probably |
| 03:51.24 | Roey | hahaha |
| 03:51.44 | Roey | I like Desbian because it's technically innocuous yet subtley suggestive :) |
| 03:51.45 | hologram | hehe |
| 03:51.47 | concept10 | Roey, think about what ? |
| 03:51.55 | Roey | concept10: the name I came up with. |
| 03:52.16 | concept10 | Roey, Oh, original! You should get an MTV award |
| 03:52.22 | Roey | I think so! |
| 03:52.27 | Roey | seriously though |
| 03:52.30 | Roey | this has been considered??? |
| 03:52.51 | itchi | concept10: I dunno if an fck can help on it; never did that on an fat32 |
| 03:53.10 | Roey | itchi: dude why you fsckin fat32's |
| 03:53.23 | concept10 | Roey, yeah, considered as much as GNU/Windows |
| 03:53.42 | itchi | fsck, sorry, filesystem check |
| 03:53.44 | Roey | concept10: well I did ask about gnu/windows(kernel) a littlewhile ago. |
| 03:53.48 | Roey | here I think, too. |
| 03:53.48 | chemaja | Roey, fsck.vfat |
| 03:53.54 | Roey | chemaja: :) aye |
| 03:54.00 | Roey | I was trying to make a joke of it. |
| 03:54.02 | chemaja | oh |
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| 03:54.11 | chemaja | rofl.insert |
| 03:54.22 | Guerin | oxymoronix |
| 03:55.25 | concept10 | itchi, yeah, i was wondering if fsck supported fat32 parts |
| 03:55.42 | Roey | heh |
| 03:55.58 | abrotman | dlynch: okay .. that's just totally freaky |
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| 03:56.12 | concept10 | oh, it does itchi |
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| 03:56.31 | abrotman | dlynch: internal spoofer ? |
| 03:57.04 | concept10 | itchi, its called fsck.vfat |
| 03:57.40 | itchi | concept10: yup, chemaja have say it above ;-) |
| 03:59.23 | concept10 | oh, didnt see that |
| 03:59.47 | concept10 | now the sob will not mount |
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| 04:00.17 | itchi | concept10: ow, did you that when that fs was mounted? |
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| 04:01.32 | concept10 | itchi, it was mounted to the windows box, i thought it was disconnected already, and plugged it into the linux box and got that error. -> Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
| 04:02.04 | itchi | concept10: It was mount'able after that error? |
| 04:03.40 | concept10 | itchi, no. I have seen that error many times before, but now it will not mount. it doesnt show up when i tail messages. i must have blown the usb interface or something |
| 04:03.52 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:03.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:03.57 | itchi | concept10: thf fs probably |
| 04:04.05 | itchi | arg, the* |
| 04:04.25 | itchi | concept10: What say /proc/partitions ? |
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| 04:05.17 | concept10 | itchi, everything except sda |
| 04:06.48 | itchi | concept10: hhmm, there are no more data on it you need? |
| 04:07.07 | itchi | concept10: I suggest you to format the usb stuff |
| 04:07.56 | concept10 | itchi, plenty of stuff i need |
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| 04:08.12 | concept10 | itchi, its comming back (at least trying) : Nov 13 22:07:28 localhost kernel: [17181280.792000] usb 2-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 04:08.16 | itchi | concept10: Look then for that testdisk article on debian-administration site |
| 04:08.27 | itchi | hhhmm |
| 04:08.29 | eps | has any one had success with compiz on xorg that could check my setup |
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| 04:09.03 | hyphenex | Hi all |
| 04:09.06 | concept10 | itchi, I know what im going to do, hook back to windows box, let it recover from errors |
| 04:09.07 | Wyzard | eps: I've used it with nVidia (with the beta drier) and i915 |
| 04:09.08 | eps | when I run compiz gconf --replace all the effects come into play but my window boarders aren't restored |
| 04:09.22 | hyphenex | can apt-get be ran as a non-root user |
| 04:09.24 | itchi | concept10: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/420 |
| 04:09.39 | itchi | concept10: In case of ... |
| 04:09.43 | Guerin | hyphenex: suck it and see |
| 04:09.57 | eps | the current beta driver 9742 are very broken so I stepped back to the stable ones (four revisions higher than the last beta release) which works |
| 04:10.07 | eps | does compiz need to be run as root? |
| 04:10.31 | hyphenex | ok, new question. How do I ftp things over to my box without an ftp client installed? |
| 04:10.36 | Wyzard | eps: I'm using 9625 |
| 04:10.40 | hyphenex | and no root access |
| 04:10.40 | Wyzard | eps: No, do not run compiz as root |
| 04:10.55 | eps | I'm using 9629 atm (current stable) |
| 04:11.06 | eps | so I wonder why compiz wont replace metacity correctly |
| 04:11.11 | Wyzard | eps: That isn't packaged yet |
| 04:11.35 | eps | eh? I didn't realise debian allowed nvidia drivers to be packaged |
| 04:11.50 | hyphenex | can I install 'ftp' without being root, on my home directory? |
| 04:11.51 | Wyzard | eps: Anyway, in the "Device" section in your xorg.conf, add Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" |
| 04:11.55 | Wyzard | eps: then restart X |
| 04:12.07 | Wyzard | eps: apt-cache show nvidia-glx; apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:12.21 | concept10 | itchi, thanks for that article, i read that site everyday but didnt catch that one |
| 04:12.32 | Wyzard | eps: Right now the 8xxx-series is in unstable, and the 9625 beta is in experimental... presumably 9629 will go into unstable sometime in the near future, now that it's released |
| 04:12.38 | hologram | ive never been able to get the nvidia drivers working with debian so i just gave up |
| 04:12.41 | eps | already had this Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" |
| 04:12.48 | itchi | hyphenex: Yes you can, also if you compile it from source you can run/install as normal user |
| 04:13.04 | Wyzard | eps: It's preferable to use the packages rather than nVidia's generic script installer |
| 04:13.10 | itchi | hyphenex: About apt-get, that's another story, i dunno |
| 04:13.10 | hyphenex | itchi, Sweet, how do I install ftp as a normal user? |
| 04:13.24 | eps | Wyzard so at what point did it become 'legal' to package nvidias drivers in the debian repo's? |
| 04:13.36 | itchi | hyphenex: From source, read the docs of the package; But i realy not recommend it you to do that |
| 04:13.37 | Wyzard | eps: hmm... I did have the problem with the missing borders, and I know i fixed it somehow, and I thought that was how |
| 04:14.01 | Wyzard | eps: Either that or a new version of compiz fixed it for me... 0.2.2-1 is current in sid |
| 04:14.05 | itchi | hyphenex: And why want you proceed that way? |
| 04:14.14 | Wyzard | eps: The nVidia packages are in Debian's non-free section and have been there for years |
| 04:14.19 | eps | righto |
| 04:14.32 | eps | and just uninstall the nvidia ones and install nvidia-glx? |
| 04:14.35 | hyphenex | itchi, Poo router, I can only forward a few services they give me, FTP is the only one for transfering files, and buu hasn't got an FTP client install on his box |
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| 04:15.07 | Wyzard | eps: Install nvidia-kernel-source and use module-assistant (or make-kpkg directly if you prefer) to build and install .deb of the kernel module |
| 04:15.15 | Wyzard | eps: Then install nvidia-glx |
| 04:15.34 | eps | erm...and how is that easier than sh nvidia-driver-whatever |
| 04:15.35 | eps | :| |
| 04:15.47 | Wyzard | eps: Since it's debs, you get clean uninstall and automatic upgrades |
| 04:16.10 | eps | so once I've made the module thingy that doesn't have to be done again (eg every time I upgrade the kernel) |
| 04:16.11 | Wyzard | eps: as opposed to just dumping a bunch of files on your system that the package system doesn't know about |
| 04:16.14 | itchi | hyphenex: Use an ftp url in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:16.28 | itchi | hyphenex: I not understand the probm |
| 04:16.59 | hyphenex | itchi, I want to put something from one computer, to mine |
| 04:17.04 | Wyzard | eps: In particular, the nVidia driver needs to replace your OpenGL libraries with nVidia's implementation, and the Debian packages do that in a special Debian way (called diversions) that won't break things if, say, your Mesa libraries get upgraded |
| 04:17.13 | hyphenex | on second thought |
| 04:17.24 | hyphenex | I might just try and find an SSH file transfer method |
| 04:17.25 | eps | mmm |
| 04:17.26 | Wyzard | eps: yes, you need to rebuild the kernel module when you install a new kernel... that's true no matter which installer you use |
| 04:17.41 | itchi | hyphenex: For on Windows? |
| 04:17.47 | hyphenex | itchi, Yeah |
| 04:17.49 | eps | mmm I'll unisntall the nvidia drivers and give it a shot |
| 04:17.58 | itchi | hyphenex: Look to the putty tools and winscp |
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| 04:18.09 | hyphenex | itchi, Thanks :) |
| 04:18.20 | eps | Wyzard is there a guide some where |
| 04:18.29 | itchi | hyphenex: ;-) |
| 04:18.55 | hyphenex | oahh, and webmin worked fine for my needs :) |
| 04:18.56 | Wyzard | eps: I'm sure you can find one with Google, or check the readme in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:19.10 | Wyzard | eps: Keep in mind that you want the 9625 one from experimental if you're using compiz |
| 04:19.10 | eps | indeed |
| 04:19.17 | eps | yeah |
| 04:19.33 | eps | not overly sure how well uninstalling the nvidia drivers will go |
| 04:19.44 | itchi | hyphenex: Yeah but that tool is not loved by sysadmins ;-) Use it the time you learn the cli tools, step by step forget that webmin |
| 04:20.12 | itchi | hyphenex: If you never begin to /forget/ webmin, you will be never learn the cli way |
| 04:20.21 | itchi | !webmin |
| 04:20.21 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 04:20.49 | hyphenex | itchi, When I want to play around with the guts of linux more I'll scrap webmin, but for quick and simple setups to get on with what really matters (my programming project), I think webmin is fine :) |
| 04:21.23 | itchi | hyphenex: Yup, maybe, it's your choice ;-) |
| 04:21.49 | itchi | hyphenex: Mostly all programmers are sysadmins at the same way |
| 04:22.27 | hyphenex | itchi, I've got a deadline to meet, I want to have it done by Chrissy, and I'm still learning :) |
| 04:22.38 | hyphenex | could be worse, I could be using Gambas |
| 04:23.02 | itchi | hyphenex: time time time ;-) |
| 04:23.40 | eps | don't be to harsh on webmin...we use it at work to manage squid acl's (we have alot so the graphical overview makes it easier to oversee) and we use it to manage our routing setups and iptables...sure we still use the cli to make most of the changes but the graphical overview is _very_ handy |
| 04:24.29 | Dewi | no, be harsh on webmin |
| 04:24.51 | eps | yes it has a lot of draw backs, but if you don't rely on it it is handy :| |
| 04:24.55 | Dewi | people use it like a license to not pay attention to detail |
| 04:24.55 | eps | at least in my opinion |
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| 04:25.07 | itchi | eps: It deppend, for some people is layout of somethings not important, or just frustrating and simply text bassed stuff many more clear |
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| 04:25.56 | itchi | Sure, if you say that webmin is what you want, stay with it ;-) I just gave some personal advieces of that package |
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| 04:26.38 | unseensoul | hi |
| 04:27.06 | itchi | I like to ssh to an box, it's many faster than need to open an browser, typing the url, then need to move my right hand to the mouse; point the mouse to an button and clicking on it |
| 04:27.11 | eps | I was just defending that it had some uses; I highly recomend not using it for mission critical things :P |
| 04:27.49 | itchi | Such as administrating :-) |
| 04:27.55 | eps | exactly :) |
| 04:28.23 | itchi | Mostly i only use cli for administration, so fast, good overview ... |
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| 04:28.34 | eps | as I said we rarely use it to in fact change things, we use it as a nice clean overview of a lot of data in a small easy to glance at space |
| 04:29.17 | itchi | eps: You need to play with ascii art :-) That's sound strange but realy funny too |
| 04:30.31 | hyphenex | can 'links2 -g' be ran over ssh? |
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| 04:30.56 | itchi | hyphenex: Try it out, and you will know about it ;-) |
| 04:31.14 | hyphenex | itchi, Well, I can't get it to work, but I'm asking if it can be done :P |
| 04:31.53 | nst | i cant choose 1024x768 resolution, and my xf86config-4 appears "1024x768" "800x600"..how can i fix it? |
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| 04:32.30 | itchi | nst: Which desktop environment use you? |
| 04:32.42 | nst | kde |
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| 04:33.24 | itchi | nst: In kcontrol you can change that, have you already look in it? |
| 04:33.32 | tech | If there's a bug (on bugs.debian.org) that I have fixed, and I want to send in the patch.. How do I do it? |
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| 04:34.01 | nst | kcontrol, let me see |
| 04:34.13 | unseensoul | does anyone could tell me which are the commands in desktop>preferences>removable drives and media preferences (Multimedia tab) by default? |
| 04:34.15 | stew | tech: mail the patch to nnnnnn@bugs.debian.org where nnnnn is the bug number |
| 04:34.39 | tech | stew, just send the patch in plain text, no more information? |
| 04:34.54 | stew | tech: also send a mail with the contents "tags nnnnnnn patch" to control@bugs.debian.org |
| 04:35.23 | stew | tech: or send the patch as an attachment to nnnnnn@bugs.d.o, include any info you think is helpful |
| 04:35.26 | stew | tech: and thanks! |
| 04:35.48 | kkrauss | wow the exact same people speaking after all these hours lol |
| 04:36.21 | tech | stew, so I only need to attach the patch and write some information to xxxx@bugs.debian.org? no need to send to control then? |
| 04:36.42 | unseensoul | does anyone could tell me which are the commands in desktop>preferences>removable drives and media preferences (Multimedia tab) by default? |
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| 04:38.21 | itchi | nst: Theres also an little app that you can start, so that it's stay just near the clock, so that you can easy change of resolution, but i can not fall on the name |
| 04:38.29 | nst | itchi: well, "display" options shows only 800x600 640x480 400x300 Oo |
| 04:38.29 | eps | thanks Wyzard |
| 04:38.35 | eps | will find out if it works with compiz nicely |
| 04:38.54 | itchi | nst: Can you paste your config file? |
| 04:39.06 | nst | sure, wait please |
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| 04:39.22 | itchi | nst: Btw, maybe xclip can help you xclip /foo/bar |
| 04:39.25 | eps | Wyzard though I can't seem to get the latest nvidia-glx from experimental |
| 04:39.43 | Wyzard | eps: What happens when you try? |
| 04:39.47 | eps | nothing |
| 04:39.51 | itchi | nst: So that you copy the content of the file bar in the 'clipboard' |
| 04:39.54 | eps | note |
| 04:39.58 | eps | zoidberg:/usr/lib/compiz# aptitude search -t experimental nvidia-glx |
| 04:39.59 | eps | iB nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 04:40.02 | eps | I assume B is broken? |
| 04:40.20 | Wyzard | eps: yeah... broken dependencies probably... did you build and install the nvidia-kernel package yet? |
| 04:40.26 | eps | yes |
| 04:40.27 | itchi | eps: wooaa, experimental?? |
| 04:40.31 | eps | it appeared to work properly |
| 04:40.38 | itchi | eps: Use you that? |
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| 04:40.54 | eps | itchi never fear I'm well versed with the fun of experimental |
| 04:41.01 | nst | itchi: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71197 |
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| 04:41.03 | sparr | itchi: doesnt everyone? |
| 04:41.11 | Wyzard | eps: nvidia-glx depends on the nvidia-kernel package (not nvidia-kernel-source, but the actual kernel module package that's built from it) |
| 04:41.20 | eps | indeed, I like dying edge...stuff this bleeding edge |
| 04:41.35 | itchi | sparr: I like more Techno :-p |
| 04:41.56 | eps | oh wait |
| 04:41.57 | eps | the wiki is missing a step |
| 04:42.08 | sparr | the nvidia-glx vs nvidia-kernel thing always pisses me off. i do a dist-upgrade and reboot, forgetting i have to compile nvidia-kernel, so then X doesnt work |
| 04:42.09 | eps | it ends with auto-install |
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| 04:42.15 | eps | but at the end of auto-install it says to run m-a install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:42.22 | eps | didn't bother reading the end message before moving on |
| 04:42.48 | eps | oh |
| 04:42.50 | eps | zoidberg:/usr/lib/compiz# m-a install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:42.50 | eps | Version 1.0.8776-1+2.6.18-3 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-1-686 already installed, skipping. |
| 04:42.52 | eps | righto |
| 04:42.59 | eps | so I've missed some thing |
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| 04:43.59 | itchi | nst: What does xdpyinfo | grep dimension say? |
| 04:44.00 | Wyzard | eps: Are you actually running 2.6.18-1-686? 2.6.18-2-686 is current in unstable |
| 04:44.22 | eps | I'm running -1 |
| 04:44.24 | eps | not -2 |
| 04:44.25 | Wyzard | eps: though, nvidia-glx shouldn't care about that |
| 04:44.35 | Wyzard | eps: oh... but you got nvidia-kernel-source 8776 |
| 04:44.54 | Wyzard | eps: not 9625 from experimental |
| 04:44.55 | eps | indeed, I just tried grabbing the source from experimental though it ignored me |
| 04:45.05 | itchi | sparr: Was that an real question? I have take that for an joke |
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| 04:45.25 | eps | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 111 not upgraded. |
| 04:45.39 | itchi | eps: heh |
| 04:45.40 | Wyzard | eps: experimental's nvidia-glx actually depends on "nvidia-kernel-1.0.9625", which is a virtual package name that's provided by the kernel-specific module package you build |
| 04:45.46 | sparr | itchi: half joking... im a gamer, so i have to run experimental (read: incoming) to keep up to date |
| 04:45.52 | itchi | eps: And your upgrade?? :-p |
| 04:46.04 | itchi | sparr: hehe |
| 04:46.10 | Wyzard | eps: Hopefully this will all go away in a few days when 9629 goes into unstable :-) |
| 04:46.35 | nst | itchi: xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. no protocol specified. |
| 04:46.43 | Wyzard | eps: at any rate, it sounds like the root of your problem is that you installed the wrong version of nvidia-kernel-source... you're saying apt won't let you install the experimental one? |
| 04:46.48 | eps | Wyzard that isn't in my search list...though I have the experimental sources |
| 04:46.57 | itchi | nst: Did you that over an ssh connection? |
| 04:47.10 | nst | actually, no Oo |
| 04:47.18 | sparr | itchi: waiting a week or a month for a new library or driver just doesnt cut it |
| 04:47.19 | Wyzard | eps: apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:47.19 | eps | I just followed the debian wiki and grabbed nvidia-glx from experimental (as I assumed that was the part that held the driver) |
| 04:47.29 | eps | already overrid it |
| 04:47.38 | itchi | sparr: Yup, sure depending of the case of everyone ;-) |
| 04:47.41 | eps | it's just not there, wondering if my source is missing the package |
| 04:47.57 | Wyzard | eps: nvidia-glx contains the xorg driver, but it depends on the kernel module of the same version |
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| 04:48.29 | itchi | nst: It was been xdpyinfo | grep dimension you did? While x is running? |
| 04:48.44 | Wyzard | eps: if you don't see nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.9625-2 in experimental, you might want to update again or something... though it's been there for months so I doubt it'd be missing from a mirror |
| 04:48.47 | nst | yes |
| 04:49.03 | nst | in konsole |
| 04:49.30 | nst | i'll restart kde, wait. |
| 04:50.06 | itchi | ug |
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| 04:50.33 | eps | mmm |
| 04:53.14 | kkrauss | ok heres a question |
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| 04:53.21 | dlynch | can anyone tell me why external ip's would be showing up in squid access.log? |
| 04:53.32 | dlynch | I don't see how anyone besides my local net can use the proxy |
| 04:53.35 | kkrauss | why debian |
| 04:53.37 | kkrauss | and not redhat? |
| 04:53.44 | kkrauss | alot of people are telling me redhat is what the professionals use? |
| 04:53.49 | eps | kkrauss because rpm based systems suck |
| 04:53.56 | kkrauss | I dont know what that means? |
| 04:54.05 | kkrauss | give me something to say to this douche bag to prove him wrong lol |
| 04:54.09 | dlynch | kkrauss: debian is what the pros use!!!!! |
| 04:54.11 | kkrauss | he insists redhat is better lol |
| 04:54.13 | kkrauss | thats what I said!!! |
| 04:54.19 | kkrauss | but I dont know what you gusy do so I cant argue with him!!! |
| 04:54.37 | itchi | kkrauss: 1) The spirit 2) liberty (aka free), 3 money (dollar$) |
| 04:54.51 | kkrauss | he insists redhat is what pros use? |
| 04:54.52 | dlynch | kkrauss: easier to manage the whole system |
| 04:54.56 | itchi | kkrauss: Red Had is for sad point and click administrators |
| 04:55.17 | dendrite | kkrauss: Fact is, some pros use redhat, and some use debian, and some use SUSE, and some use... You get the idea. |
| 04:55.33 | itchi | I not see what's easier with an gui interface, it is a bit more intuitieve, but not easy |
| 04:55.45 | dlynch | kkrauss: and yeah if you don't want to learn anything about linux use RedHat |
| 04:55.54 | kkrauss | no I do |
| 04:55.56 | kkrauss | I agree with you guys |
| 04:55.59 | kkrauss | my friend is annoying |
| 04:56.00 | hyphenex | Red hat made more money then debian ever did :P |
| 04:56.03 | itchi | When you not know where you need to click to crack that, you are then also loosed |
| 04:56.09 | kkrauss | he tried talking me out of setting up ftp saying its outdated |
| 04:56.18 | dendrite | kkrauss: He's right there. |
| 04:56.21 | dendrite | !ftp must die |
| 04:56.21 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 04:56.30 | itchi | kkrauss: He want it so easy with so musch as honnor ?? |
| 04:56.35 | kkrauss | ftp must die? |
| 04:56.42 | itchi | !ftpmustdie |
| 04:56.43 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 04:56.44 | kkrauss | I dont understand your question itchii? |
| 04:56.49 | kkrauss | why must ftp die |
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| 04:57.00 | dlynch | kkrauss: redhat is like an MS product |
| 04:57.03 | dendrite | kkrauss: Read the page at that link. |
| 04:57.16 | itchi | kkrauss: If i write it down here you need to read it; so read it on that link, these tell it better than me |
| 04:57.17 | kkrauss | its kind of hard when im talking to you guys and two people on aim |
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| 04:57.38 | dendrite | !console kkrauss |
| 04:57.42 | jawd | how can I install php using apt-get? |
| 04:57.43 | itchi | kkrauss: Not try to do 36 things at the same time ;-) |
| 04:57.56 | kkrauss | im good at such things :) |
| 04:58.09 | unseensoul | jawd, apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5, for instance |
| 04:58.16 | itchi | jawd: apt-cache search <pkg> apt-get install <pkg> |
| 04:58.18 | kkrauss | ok this site is filled with information I could care less about loll |
| 04:58.28 | kkrauss | I Just watned to know why I shouldnt use ftp haha |
| 04:58.41 | itchi | jawd: But probably you need to have the quick reference on your desk; look to /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:58.45 | kkrauss | I Thought you gusy would disagree with him lol |
| 04:59.07 | itchi | kkrauss: hehe, it's been noted, the anwer of you question |
| 04:59.17 | eps | how do I undo the m-a nvidia stuff |
| 04:59.20 | eps | it borked my system |
| 04:59.24 | itchi | crap of azerty |
| 04:59.29 | kkrauss | well that was the reason I wanted to use debian |
| 04:59.34 | eps | or am I good to leave it all in place when going back to the nvidia installer |
| 04:59.38 | kkrauss | I thought it would be cool to get back into linux and my first goal would be to set up an ftp server! |
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| 05:00.00 | itchi | kkrauss: I began with RH |
| 05:00.10 | kkrauss | I used redhat back in the day |
| 05:00.20 | eps | every one used red hat back in the day |
| 05:00.22 | kkrauss | but most people I know suggest debian |
| 05:00.27 | kkrauss | debian is what they use in most college linux classes too |
| 05:00.28 | eps | thoguh in this day we leave it to rest in it's grave |
| 05:00.29 | dendrite | slak -> redhat -> debian for me. |
| 05:00.31 | itchi | kkrauss: What you learn there will not probably work on another distro, Red Bad like to change some file names and so |
| 05:00.34 | kkrauss | dendrite |
| 05:00.37 | kkrauss | if I start using debian |
| 05:00.41 | kkrauss | thats the order for me too |
| 05:00.48 | eps | no most current corps use novell |
| 05:00.53 | eps | SLED 10 is huge |
| 05:00.54 | itchi | kkrauss: Is in not already install ;-) |
| 05:01.04 | kkrauss | what? |
| 05:01.09 | eps | and ubuntu is catching up for non supported usage |
| 05:01.12 | itchi | kkrauss: Debian, hehe |
| 05:01.22 | kkrauss | ohh |
| 05:01.27 | kkrauss | im scurred! |
| 05:01.32 | kkrauss | everything is different and I know nothing now |
| 05:01.44 | dendrite | kkrauss: Set up a web server... Apache2. |
| 05:01.55 | kkrauss | now dendrite I looked into that |
| 05:02.02 | itchi | kkrauss: How have you learn to walk?? |
| 05:02.08 | itchi | kkrauss: Step by step! |
| 05:02.12 | kkrauss | but you cant upload to a webserver and you leave your system open to potential risks, thats what I read? |
| 05:02.27 | itchi | kkrauss: Same with Debian, step by step you will love it more and more ;-) |
| 05:02.35 | kkrauss | itchi im going to in the next couple of days, im going to set up my desktop and keep my laptop on windows so I can come talk to you gusy if need be |
| 05:02.42 | kkrauss | I dont even remember how to mount a drive anymore! |
| 05:02.42 | dendrite | kkrauss: ftp has risks if anything does. |
| 05:03.05 | dendrite | kkrauss: irssi is a fine IRC client. |
| 05:03.12 | kkrauss | what is irssi? |
| 05:03.13 | itchi | kkrauss: everything can be are learned |
| 05:03.17 | dendrite | kkrauss: An IRC client. |
| 05:03.18 | kkrauss | itchi I know |
| 05:03.21 | kkrauss | believe it or not im not dumb |
| 05:03.25 | kkrauss | im actually very computer literate |
| 05:03.28 | kkrauss | with WINDOWs |
| 05:03.29 | kkrauss | haha |
| 05:03.29 | itchi | kkrauss: Just take it some time and you need to want to learn |
| 05:03.39 | kkrauss | oh I do trust me |
| 05:03.43 | Rusty1 | !sftp |
| 05:03.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 05:04.09 | kkrauss | heres a question |
| 05:04.10 | dendrite | Rusty1: Of course that means leaving ssh open, which is maybe a questionable idea... |
| 05:04.15 | kkrauss | if you arent using xwindow |
| 05:04.23 | kkrauss | and iyou connect to your router what exactly are you going to see??? |
| 05:04.50 | itchi | kkrauss: What mean you exaclty? |
| 05:04.56 | kkrauss | and if xwindow isnt a gui what is it, and im mad because I used to know this but now I dont lol |
| 05:05.03 | dendrite | kkrauss: Think of the system as a "stack." With networking down in the foundation. There are plenty of text based programs that use networking. |
| 05:05.09 | itchi | kkrauss: Depend with which tool, what you want to see |
| 05:05.20 | kkrauss | ok dendrite this is what im saying |
| 05:05.23 | kkrauss | im using windows |
| 05:05.35 | kkrauss | I go to IE and type in my ROUTER IP and the router setupscreen shows up |
| 05:05.54 | dendrite | kkrauss: There are text mode browsers. |
| 05:05.55 | kkrauss | if im not using a graphical interface with linux and I want to go into my router to do some port forwarding how do I do it if I have no graphical interface? |
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| 05:06.00 | itchi | hhmm |
| 05:06.05 | caveMan_ | what NTFS driver is regarded as safer, captive ntfs or ntfs-3g? |
| 05:06.07 | dendrite | kkrauss: linkx, lynx, w3m are three off hand. |
| 05:06.11 | kkrauss | its just something I thought about |
| 05:06.13 | kkrauss | 3 what? |
| 05:06.18 | kkrauss | graphical interfaces? |
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| 05:06.20 | dendrite | kkrauss: text based web browsers. |
| 05:06.38 | kkrauss | im not sure how a text based browser will work for my router interface but ill take your word for it |
| 05:06.38 | itchi | kkrauss: No problem, just use your prefered web browser, image are not displayed, or ala ascii art |
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| 05:06.58 | itchi | kkrauss: Sure, it works |
| 05:07.03 | kkrauss | cool cool |
| 05:07.14 | kkrauss | wish my desktop was setup now id start doing some stuff with it\ |
| 05:07.15 | dendrite | kkrauss: Odds are your router interface uses graphics only for decorations. |
| 05:07.23 | dendrite | kkrauss: Go grab a live CD |
| 05:07.24 | kkrauss | linkisys |
| 05:07.35 | nulluid | for some reason characters like ? dont appear as unknown codes |
| 05:07.36 | kkrauss | but then I cant talk to you guys while I do it or I would |
| 05:07.36 | nulluid | how can i fix this_ |
| 05:08.04 | kkrauss | dendrite |
| 05:08.07 | kkrauss | I know this isnt specific to linux |
| 05:08.15 | itchi | kkrauss: Sure you can ask here while you are installing it, but take the install manual too, like there are the most of answers |
| 05:08.21 | kkrauss | but I could really use an answer, linux or not, what is the BEST way to handle large files other than ftp |
| 05:08.30 | kkrauss | me and my friend have a couple of alrge files we need to send back and forth |
| 05:08.36 | dendrite | kkrauss: scp |
| 05:08.36 | dondelelcaro | kkrauss: rsync |
| 05:08.45 | dendrite | kkrauss: OOoh, I second dondelelcaro |
| 05:08.52 | kkrauss | dendrite gave a different answer |
| 05:08.55 | peterrooney | kkrauss: scp |
| 05:08.55 | kkrauss | but they both have one thing in common |
| 05:08.57 | dendrite | kkrauss: rsync |
| 05:09.01 | kkrauss | I have no freaking clue what they mean :) |
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| 05:09.06 | itchi | kkrauss: or winscp, for that diabolic box |
| 05:09.18 | dendrite | kkrauss: rsync can look at the files on both ends and only send the differences. That may be useful to you. |
| 05:09.23 | kkrauss | remember windows systems are involved! |
| 05:09.30 | dendrite | kkrauss: These are the names of software tools. |
| 05:09.33 | dondelelcaro | kkrauss: windows systems can run cygwin. |
| 05:09.34 | kkrauss | dendrite maybe being more specific will help |
| 05:09.40 | dendrite | kkrauss: Ah, well, we have no idea about windows. |
| 05:09.45 | kkrauss | multiplke systems will be involved |
| 05:09.56 | dondelelcaro | then use smb or something else |
| 05:10.04 | dendrite | kkrauss: I imagine there are scp and rsync clients/tools for windows. |
| 05:10.31 | kkrauss | well IT hought you guys would say a goodp lace to upload or something lol |
| 05:10.31 | kkrauss | well lets not worry about it |
| 05:10.31 | kkrauss | I dont want to get into windows too much or ill get in trouble |
| 05:10.33 | kkrauss | but I thought you guys would know because im sure you have friends with windows |
| 05:11.00 | dendrite | Friends don't let friends run windows... ;-) |
| 05:11.06 | peterrooney | kkrauss: apache with .htaccess ;) |
| 05:11.07 | dondelelcaro | they tend not to be running windows for long, at least if they're going to be working with me. |
| 05:12.05 | kkrauss | theres nothing "wrong" with windows |
| 05:12.09 | kkrauss | not everyone are nerd nerds |
| 05:12.17 | kkrauss | ill probably always run both |
| 05:12.18 | dendrite | There's plenty wrong with windows. |
| 05:12.21 | kkrauss | because of family and friends |
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| 05:12.31 | dendrite | kkrauss: Of course, there's plenty wrong with Debian too... =) |
| 05:12.40 | kkrauss | theres plenty wrong with all os's |
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| 05:12.51 | kkrauss | mac is better than pc |
| 05:12.55 | kkrauss | we all know that but pc is more popular |
| 05:12.57 | kkrauss | because its what we know |
| 05:13.09 | kkrauss | im a computer nerd but no where near the level you guys are |
| 05:13.27 | itchi | kkrauss: Maybe will you find it usefull to play with virtual machines like vmware, but take 'qemu for windows' |
| 05:13.32 | kkrauss | I want to learn linux for fun not because I need it because im happy with windows with what I use it for |
| 05:14.19 | dendrite | kkrauss: Go grab a live CD and play with it. |
| 05:14.38 | kkrauss | im going to |
| 05:14.45 | kkrauss | once I figure out which live cd to dl lol |
| 05:14.45 | itchi | kkrauss: Depending of where you are, mac are in some countries more popular than the pc and <-> |
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| 05:14.50 | dendrite | kkrauss: Just ask in here before you go installing to your hard disk. |
| 05:14.53 | kkrauss | thats true itchi |
| 05:15.06 | kkrauss | actually even inf our own country in cali mac is more popular you are right |
| 05:15.24 | kkrauss | dendrite when I install on my desktkop im going to shrink my ntfs partition down |
| 05:15.26 | kkrauss | make a new linux one |
| 05:15.32 | kkrauss | ext2??? dont know if its still the same or not |
| 05:15.38 | kkrauss | so I wont ruin anything even if I fuck it up |
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| 05:15.53 | itchi | kkrauss: ext3 |
| 05:15.56 | dendrite | kkrauss: ext3. But ext2 has it's uses, especially for partitions that don't have changing data. |
| 05:16.06 | kittonian | to make an app run at startup do you have to have an init.d file? |
| 05:16.13 | kkrauss | is ext3 to ext2 as ntfs is to fast32? |
| 05:16.25 | kittonian | or is there a way to specify the command to start the app in a file instead? |
| 05:16.31 | dendrite | kkrauss: Not quite. ext3 is ext2 with journaling. |
| 05:16.38 | kkrauss | journaling? |
| 05:16.49 | itchi | dendrite: Or ext2 for usb stick, when you not want that journalling |
| 05:16.50 | dendrite | kittonian: You can do that in your crontab, or check out /etc/rcS.d/README |
| 05:17.26 | dendrite | kkrauss: Journaling is a mechanism to ensure data makes it to disk, or doesn't, but cleanly, for example in case of a power failure. |
| 05:17.26 | itchi | kkrauss: He keep an log of the changes, to sumarize |
| 05:17.44 | kkrauss | I gotcha |
| 05:17.46 | kkrauss | its a failsafe |
| 05:17.51 | kittonian | dendrite: i'm not sure why you had me read that file? |
| 05:17.54 | kkrauss | it journals the integrity of information |
| 05:18.01 | kkrauss | and in case of something such as powerfailure |
| 05:18.12 | dendrite | kkrauss: Because it explains how to use rcS.d for bootup purposes. |
| 05:18.13 | kkrauss | compares the journal to current data and if incorrect wil lrepair? |
| 05:18.21 | dendrite | kkrauss: Yes. |
| 05:18.26 | kittonian | i don't want a cronjob to run the app at a certain point in time. i just want it to start when the system is booted |
| 05:18.35 | kkrauss | see I am schmart! |
| 05:18.36 | kkrauss | damn it |
| 05:18.38 | dendrite | kittonian: man 5 crontab |
| 05:18.48 | kkrauss | is that the only difference between 2 and 3? |
| 05:18.50 | dendrite | kittonian: There are special formats for that. |
| 05:19.05 | itchi | kkrauss: The biggest |
| 05:19.20 | kkrauss | well im not seeing from what big difference WHY you would chose to use 2 over 3? |
| 05:19.21 | dendrite | kittonian: @reboot <some program> |
| 05:19.34 | itchi | kkrauss: USB sticks |
| 05:19.59 | kkrauss | usb sticks? |
| 05:20.11 | CompWizrd | or CF cards on a CF to IDE adapter (have a system with 15x300's that has to boot off a 128 meg CF card) |
| 05:20.18 | kittonian | dendrite, just put that on a line in crontab? i just read the man page and it doesn't mention that |
| 05:20.20 | dendrite | kkrauss: Because journaling takes resources, and slows things down a tiny bit. |
| 05:20.21 | itchi | kkrauss: Some parts of the filesystem tree that are lesser important and that you not want that he become a bit bigger, cause of journaling |
| 05:20.37 | dendrite | kittonian: You ran "man 5 crontab" and you didn't see that?? |
| 05:20.39 | kkrauss | well |
| 05:20.47 | kittonian | dendrite, yes |
| 05:20.53 | kittonian | i still have it open |
| 05:21.01 | dendrite | kittonian: Um... Maybe scroll down a few pages? |
| 05:21.02 | kkrauss | if some one wants to tell me what live cd to download I can do that now and start playing with it on my other desktop |
| 05:21.11 | kkrauss | see if I can get it online that would be cool! |
| 05:21.18 | itchi | kkrauss: Take Knoppix or so |
| 05:21.27 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 05:21.28 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 05:21.33 | itchi | kkrauss: Somethings that _are_ debian bassed ;-) |
| 05:21.38 | dendrite | kittonian: man 5, not just man |
| 05:21.39 | kkrauss | itchi |
| 05:21.45 | kkrauss | which one do I want from the live.debian.net site |
| 05:21.46 | kittonian | dendrite, yes I know. it's not there |
| 05:21.54 | dendrite | kittonian: What flavor of debian are you running? |
| 05:22.27 | kittonian | dendrite, my bad, i just found it. one line in that whole thing |
| 05:22.45 | kkrauss | when I go to current |
| 05:22.49 | kkrauss | and 386 |
| 05:22.51 | kkrauss | there are sevearl versions |
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| 05:23.02 | kittonian | dendrite, is that a good idea to use crontab for that purpose? |
| 05:23.20 | dendrite | kittonian: The advantage is that it'll run with that user's permissions, which may be a good thing. |
| 05:23.20 | itchi | kkrauss: To be honnest, i have never try that decent Debian live cd |
| 05:23.30 | dendrite | kittonian: If that's not good, then use /etc/rcS.d/... |
| 05:23.32 | kkrauss | itchi what? |
| 05:23.35 | itchi | s/decent/recent/ |
| 05:23.42 | kkrauss | are you sayingi you dont know which one to use? |
| 05:23.53 | kkrauss | decent |
| 05:23.56 | kkrauss | there is no such directory? |
| 05:24.15 | kkrauss | there is/debian-cd/current? |
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| 05:24.22 | itchi | kkrauss: I have no Debian live cd; that's an new project. And like Debian is already installed and working right, i not need an live cd :-) |
| 05:24.38 | kkrauss | so you cant tell me which live cd to download? |
| 05:24.41 | kkrauss | come on itchi |
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| 05:24.56 | A310 | kkrauss, try theml |
| 05:24.58 | itchi | kkrauss: I have say you knoppix |
| 05:25.00 | scratchy | you cant let your boy scratchy down can you? |
| 05:25.13 | dendrite | scratchy: We'd be tickled pink if you'd test the debian live CD... :-) |
| 05:25.27 | scratchy | you want a novive to test? |
| 05:25.36 | dendrite | scratchy: yes, novices can certainly test. |
| 05:25.48 | Kkrauss | well I dont know which one to try! |
| 05:25.54 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Try 'em all! |
| 05:25.55 | Kkrauss | because O dont know some oef the technical terms |
| 05:26.02 | Kkrauss | im not going to burn 7 cds in the next hour dude! |
| 05:26.06 | itchi | Kkrauss: Try the 'Knoppix' ! |
| 05:26.17 | A310 | Kkrauss, 7? i hav list o 30+ liveCD's |
| 05:26.19 | Kkrauss | knoppox isnt there! |
| 05:26.20 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Ubuntu is popular, but a bit brain dead, according to some. |
| 05:26.24 | itchi | Kkrauss: Or maybe, know you what an live cd is? |
| 05:26.34 | itchi | Kkrauss: buahaha |
| 05:26.36 | dendrite | Kkrauss: knoppix, not knoppox. |
| 05:26.43 | Kkrauss | itchi is english not your first language? |
| 05:26.45 | itchi | Kkrauss: Go on the official website of knoppix ;-) |
| 05:26.48 | Kkrauss | dendrite knoppix is not a choice |
| 05:26.49 | itchi | Kkrauss: 4 |
| 05:26.54 | Kkrauss | though so lol |
| 05:26.57 | Kkrauss | itchi |
| 05:27.00 | Kkrauss | did you go to the website I said! |
| 05:27.03 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Or kanotix... |
| 05:27.04 | Kkrauss | !livecd |
| 05:27.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 05:27.10 | Kkrauss | go to live.debian.net |
| 05:27.13 | Kkrauss | thats where im downloading from |
| 05:27.27 | dendrite | Atta boy... |
| 05:27.37 | Kkrauss | you freaking geeks lol |
| 05:27.41 | Kkrauss | dendrite |
| 05:27.51 | Kkrauss | there is 8 choiuces on that site |
| 05:27.56 | Kkrauss | under current/i386 |
| 05:28.02 | itchi | Kkrauss: http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/current/i386/ |
| 05:28.04 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Yeah, you windows types aren't used to choices, eh? :-) |
| 05:28.05 | Kkrauss | I dont know which one to use!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:28.06 | A310 | Kkrauss, try each one here http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
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| 05:28.19 | Kkrauss | no im not confusing myself im sticking to live.debnain.net |
| 05:28.22 | Kkrauss | itchi I know that |
| 05:28.25 | Kkrauss | ive even read the readme |
| 05:28.32 | Kkrauss | but I dont know what alot of it means I dont know what x11 is |
| 05:28.40 | A310 | oh boy |
| 05:28.41 | Kkrauss | I dont know which live cd is ideal for me to play with thats what im asking |
| 05:28.56 | dendrite | Kkrauss: X11 is another name for X, the graphical environment underpinnings. |
| 05:29.03 | A310 | Kkrauss, no oe can tell you that, ou haveto USE THE ALL tofiurethat out |
| 05:29.05 | Kkrauss | ok |
| 05:29.09 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Any of them would be a good fun time for you. |
| 05:29.10 | Kkrauss | I definitely what a graphical in terface |
| 05:29.11 | Kkrauss | so x11 |
| 05:29.19 | Kkrauss | but what is the desktop one |
| 05:29.21 | Kkrauss | there is no readme on it? |
| 05:29.23 | dendrite | Kkrauss: I imagine all the live CD's feature X. |
| 05:29.36 | itchi | Kkrauss: Go on the website of knoppix, download that iso file; burn it as an image(not picture) file; put it in the cd rom; reboot; and play with knoppix |
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| 05:30.06 | Kkrauss | what exactly is knoppix |
| 05:30.08 | itchi | eog; i make noise of knoppix :-/ |
| 05:30.11 | dendrite | I'm going to have to play with the live debian one... |
| 05:30.15 | Kkrauss | and why are you trying ot talk me out of !livecd |
| 05:30.16 | Rusty1 | dendrite: a link to compare ftp/sftp/rsync/ftps etc. ? |
| 05:30.20 | dendrite | !knoppix |
| 05:30.20 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 05:30.36 | Kkrauss | knoppix is not debian |
| 05:30.38 | Kkrauss | why would I use it??? |
| 05:30.44 | dendrite | Maybe that factoid can be tweaked once the live debian edition stabilizes... |
| 05:30.45 | Kkrauss | im here for debian support dork!! |
| 05:30.56 | craigevil | why is a livecd that is Debian based not Debian? |
| 05:31.07 | itchi | Kkrauss: Because that debian live cd is an new project, not yet so right as knoppix at this stage, in not want that you leave the GNU/Linux word because you have tryed somethings that are in full developpment and not yet been finished like it need |
| 05:31.16 | dendrite | craigevil: Because a quiche is not an egg. |
| 05:31.19 | Kkrauss | ok screw this |
| 05:31.21 | Kkrauss | circles |
| 05:31.24 | Kkrauss | chase the tail chase the tail |
| 05:31.31 | Kkrauss | im just going to randomly pick one from livcd |
| 05:31.34 | Kkrauss | and do it lol |
| 05:31.36 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Good plan. |
| 05:31.45 | Kkrauss | but dendrite |
| 05:31.50 | craigevil | the best livecds are Knoppix, Kanotix, and maybe Ubuntu |
| 05:31.54 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Or pick one, and do a little reading on it. |
| 05:32.02 | Kkrauss | dendrite I was trying to tell you |
| 05:32.05 | dendrite | I'd vote for kanotix, actually. |
| 05:32.07 | Kkrauss | there isnt detailed readmes on all of them |
| 05:32.11 | Kkrauss | and one doesnt have NY readme |
| 05:32.12 | Kkrauss | the desktkop one |
| 05:32.20 | itchi | Kkrauss: Try these 3 both above ;-) |
| 05:32.20 | Kkrauss | ithe readme.img file says nothing |
| 05:32.40 | Kkrauss | like one just says it comes with gnome and x11 |
| 05:32.42 | Kkrauss | I know what x11 is now |
| 05:32.45 | Kkrauss | but no clue on gnome |
| 05:33.10 | Kkrauss | im going to download desktop even though there is no readme because its the largest file so maybe it has the most shit lol |
| 05:33.17 | dendrite | Kkrauss: On top of X, (remember the "layers"?) one runs a window manager, such as gnome, to handle managing all the windows. |
| 05:33.21 | itchi | Kkrauss: An live cd can be are usefull when you have some troubles with any operating system. Say Microshit again not want to boot, you want to copy some files before another format c: An live cd can help you much with good tools |
| 05:33.40 | Kkrauss | I think I know what you said itchi :) |
| 05:33.46 | Kkrauss | but the more beer I drink the less that is going to be true :) |
| 05:34.03 | itchi | Kkrauss: Your computer hangs for x or y reason; okay, boot live cd and test the memory |
| 05:34.15 | Kkrauss | im going to download desktop |
| 05:34.19 | Kkrauss | and standard |
| 05:34.22 | itchi | Kkrauss: And live cd is also an 'tool' cd if you want |
| 05:34.32 | itchi | s/And/An/ |
| 05:34.34 | Kkrauss | standard will take a few mintues |
| 05:34.37 | Kkrauss | so I can do that immediatelyu |
| 05:34.41 | Kkrauss | desktop is going to take like an hour |
| 05:35.00 | beardy | s/An/a/ ;) |
| 05:35.12 | itchi | beardy: ;-) |
| 05:35.13 | beardy | s/a/A/ .. |
| 05:35.24 | itchi | beardy: Yeah :-p |
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| 05:36.11 | itchi | Kkrauss: He; i maked noise above for the live cd, not that i want that you go to Knoppix, just that you need some good tools for when things are broken and you need to fix it |
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| 05:36.27 | Kkrauss | itchi |
| 05:36.31 | Kkrauss | knopoix is not debian though |
| 05:36.33 | Kkrauss | its not the place :) |
| 05:36.42 | itchi | Kkrauss: It's Debian derivated |
| 05:36.51 | Kkrauss | well im downloading two debians right now |
| 05:36.54 | Kkrauss | standard and desktop |
| 05:36.57 | Kkrauss | I have no clue what im going to get |
| 05:37.06 | Kkrauss | ill burn the iso and boot up my other laptop and see whats up |
| 05:37.09 | itchi | Kkrauss: Me too, i need to check that out |
| 05:37.23 | Kkrauss | I think the live cd site is capped at 120 dl |
| 05:37.23 | dendrite | Kkrauss: This one? http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/20061002/i386/debian-live-etch-i386-desktop.iso |
| 05:37.26 | Kkrauss | I cant break that on either dl |
| 05:37.28 | itchi | Kkrauss: Know you about virtual computing? |
| 05:37.32 | Kkrauss | yes dendrite |
| 05:37.35 | Kkrauss | im downloading that now |
| 05:37.42 | dendrite | !beer Kkrauss |
| 05:38.06 | Kkrauss | im drinking budl ight :) |
| 05:38.13 | dendrite | Kkrauss: eep! |
| 05:38.17 | itchi | Kkrauss: You can easy run an OS in an running OS |
| 05:38.18 | Kkrauss | I dont liek it |
| 05:38.21 | Kkrauss | but its what I have lol |
| 05:38.25 | Kkrauss | itchi |
| 05:38.26 | Kkrauss | damn it |
| 05:38.31 | Kkrauss | I cant understand your enlgish sometimes! lol |
| 05:38.38 | Kkrauss | dendrite so what am I getting with desktoip |
| 05:38.43 | Kkrauss | its 5 times bigger than standard? |
| 05:38.45 | itchi | Kkrauss: Drink lesser beer hehe |
| 05:38.52 | Kkrauss | ive nly had 3 |
| 05:38.57 | Kkrauss | and im 65 |
| 05:38.58 | Kkrauss | 220 |
| 05:39.01 | Kkrauss | im not feeling it yet :) |
| 05:39.05 | dendrite | Kkrauss: I don't know. Probably a window manager, open office, a couple of web browsers, and maybe some games. |
| 05:39.16 | Kkrauss | well im capping out at 120k |
| 05:39.19 | Kkrauss | so Im downloading standard |
| 05:39.21 | Kkrauss | thats only taking a few minutes |
| 05:39.24 | Kkrauss | im going to burn the iso |
| 05:39.28 | Kkrauss | and boot it up |
| 05:39.31 | Kkrauss | but firest |
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| 05:39.53 | Kkrauss | !beer kkrauss |
| 05:39.53 | Kkrauss | wtf is that! |
| 05:40.00 | dendrite | Kkrauss: It's possible that the standard image is mainly for rescue, i.e., for experienced users. But I could be wrong... |
| 05:40.04 | itchi | Kkrauss: These rose oliphants? |
| 05:41.05 | Kkrauss | it contains |
| 05:41.18 | Kkrauss | This image contains only packages of the standard system |
| 05:42.05 | Kkrauss | dendrite |
| 05:42.08 | dendrite | Kkrauss: That would mean it's a bit bare bones for you. |
| 05:42.11 | Kkrauss | if you go to readme.images |
| 05:42.12 | Kkrauss | it tells you |
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| 05:42.15 | dendrite | Aaah. |
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| 05:42.16 | Kkrauss | no interface? |
| 05:42.21 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 05:42.22 | Kkrauss | why dont you humor me if you arent busy |
| 05:42.25 | itchi | Kkrauss: There are also gnome, kde, xfce and so as iso image |
| 05:42.25 | Kkrauss | and read the readme.images |
| 05:42.37 | Kkrauss | itchi I said that 20 minutes ago! |
| 05:42.52 | itchi | Kkrauss: Yup, i know |
| 05:43.04 | itchi | Kkrauss: You have take what you wanted i guess? |
| 05:43.10 | Kkrauss | I Tok standard |
| 05:43.12 | Kkrauss | and desktop |
| 05:43.16 | itchi | ok |
| 05:43.23 | itchi | Gona download it also |
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| 05:43.25 | Kkrauss | 3 minutes left to standard |
| 05:43.28 | jajajajaja | Computer: Zion | Distro: Ubuntu 7.04 "feisty" | Processor: 3.0Ghz | Model: Dual-Core Intel Xeon | Memory: 16384MB Free: 16262MB [▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀] | Diskspace: 500.00GB Free: 478.24GB | Video: NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB @ 2560 x 1600 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 85.05MB Up: 12.07MB |
| 05:43.53 | Kkrauss | now |
| 05:43.54 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Kkrauss desktop isn't in that readme, but I'm betting it's your best. |
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| 05:43.54 | Kkrauss | if I can get ONLINE with standard |
| 05:43.54 | Kkrauss | dendrite I know thats why Iw as frustratedc |
| 05:43.54 | Kkrauss | do you understand my questions now? |
| 05:44.13 | Kkrauss | gota pee |
| 05:44.16 | Kkrauss | NO ONE TALK!!!! |
| 05:44.16 | dendrite | Kkrauss: I did before, but I don't have much (no recent) experience with live CD's |
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| 05:44.23 | dendrite | Ha ha ha |
| 05:44.25 | Kkrauss | hush!!! |
| 05:44.33 | dendrite | !beer the channel |
| 05:44.59 | A310 | anyone happen to know why the wine package (installed via apt-get) would not create /usr/local/bin/winecfg ?? |
| 05:45.16 | Kkrauss | dendrite! |
| 05:45.17 | Kkrauss | thats my beer |
| 05:45.19 | Kkrauss | thats what I drink!! |
| 05:45.23 | itchi | dendrite: Heh, pay attention with the beer; Kkrauss is already far ;-) |
| 05:45.24 | Kkrauss | lager!! |
| 05:45.29 | Kkrauss | but its spelled wrong lol |
| 05:45.34 | Kkrauss | oh wait is it |
| 05:46.07 | dendrite | Kkrauss: MMaayybbee yyoouu sshhoouulldd ttaakkee iitt eeaassyy.. |
| 05:46.15 | A310 | heh |
| 05:46.25 | Kkrauss | no im only used to seeing yuengling on the label |
| 05:46.26 | Kkrauss | sorry |
| 05:46.28 | Kkrauss | its made right by me |
| 05:46.50 | dendrite | A310: Dunno... Maybe there is a separage wine config package?? |
| 05:46.55 | Kkrauss | hey im the opposite of a mean drunk |
| 05:46.57 | Kkrauss | im a mean sober |
| 05:46.59 | Kkrauss | im a nice drunk kol |
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| 05:47.30 | itchi | A310: Did you not the last upgrad? |
| 05:47.37 | Kkrauss | ok standard is done |
| 05:47.39 | Kkrauss | going to grab some cds now |
| 05:48.22 | Kkrauss | hey |
| 05:48.30 | Kkrauss | what does sarge etch or sid mean? |
| 05:48.41 | itchi | Kkrauss: The different release |
| 05:48.53 | Bad_Boy | Ïðèâåò âñåì!!! |
| 05:48.53 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Those are code names for stable, testing, and unstable, respectively. |
| 05:49.09 | peterS | Bad_Boy: in English, please |
| 05:49.12 | dendrite | Kkrauss: etch will become the next stable... |
| 05:49.18 | Kkrauss | so what is t his live cd |
| 05:49.31 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Did you grab the etch or sid one? |
| 05:49.40 | Kkrauss | I dont know! |
| 05:49.43 | Kkrauss | ]my friend asked me that |
| 05:49.43 | dendrite | Kkrauss: The etch is probably your best bet. |
| 05:49.44 | itchi | Kkrauss: Debian have 3 differents releases; stable (code name Sarge), testing (code name Etch), unstable (always keep the name sid) |
| 05:49.45 | Kkrauss | it doesnt say |
| 05:50.05 | dendrite | Kkrauss: The ISO file name should say... |
| 05:50.19 | itchi | Kkrauss: Etch is near to become stable is some time. So it will move from the right side to the left |
| 05:50.36 | Kkrauss | what???? |
| 05:50.46 | itchi | Kkrauss: There will then an new name for the Etch release |
| 05:50.50 | dendrite | Kkrauss: He was just saying that etch will become the next stable. |
| 05:50.52 | Kkrauss | oh fucking christ |
| 05:50.57 | Kkrauss | dude |
| 05:50.58 | Kkrauss | its sid! |
| 05:51.03 | Kkrauss | its unstable!!! |
| 05:51.05 | itchi | Kkrauss: That live cd |
| 05:51.11 | dendrite | Kkrauss: How far along are you? |
| 05:51.19 | dendrite | Kkrauss: If you have it, play with it. |
| 05:51.27 | Kkrauss | standard is finished |
| 05:51.28 | Kkrauss | its unstable |
| 05:51.33 | Kkrauss | desktop is testing |
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| 05:51.42 | dendrite | Kkrauss: perfect. |
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| 05:52.09 | Kkrauss | im not going to get sarge |
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| 05:52.14 | Kkrauss | but why would I use unstable? |
| 05:52.36 | dendrite | Kkrauss: You wouln't normally, but you downloaded it, so play with it. It's a live CD image, so it's not a big deal. |
| 05:52.55 | dendrite | Kkrauss: If you were *installing* unstable, I'd try to stop you. |
| 05:53.36 | itchi | Kkrauss: Because it's an new toy, but Knoppix also use an mix of testing and unstable; to provide the lastest apps |
| 05:53.39 | Kkrauss | my friend is saying get knoppix too lol |
| 05:53.51 | itchi | Kkrauss: Have you not yet take it?? ;-) |
| 05:53.53 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Your redhat "friend?" |
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| 05:54.02 | Kkrauss | no |
| 05:54.05 | Kkrauss | my debian friend |
| 05:54.11 | Kkrauss | who is in advanced networking classes for debian |
| 05:54.16 | Kkrauss | at arizona state |
| 05:54.18 | Kkrauss | cool kid |
| 05:54.26 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Does he know about the new live debian cd? |
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| 05:54.42 | dendrite | Kkrauss: the live debian cd is a pretty new project... |
| 05:54.48 | dendrite | I think. |
| 05:54.48 | Kkrauss | dont know he just said I should use knoppix |
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| 05:55.04 | Kkrauss | well I got 50cds |
| 05:55.06 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Ask him why not kanotix? |
| 05:55.06 | Kkrauss | who cares if it doesnt work |
| 05:55.09 | Kkrauss | lol |
| 05:55.13 | dendrite | Kkrauss: That's the spirit!!! |
| 05:55.21 | Kkrauss | if I can get online with it |
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| 05:55.25 | Kkrauss | ill be proud |
| 05:55.28 | Kkrauss | but I need mucho help |
| 05:55.38 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Do you use dhcp to get your ip address on your computer? |
| 05:55.56 | dendrite | Kkrauss: In other words, do you get your IP address from your router? |
| 05:56.02 | Kkrauss | my laptop is static outside of my router dhcp |
| 05:56.08 | Kkrauss | I know that kind of stuff dendrite |
| 05:56.15 | Kkrauss | my dhcp is 100 to 149 |
| 05:56.18 | Kkrauss | my ip is 150 |
| 05:56.20 | Kkrauss | static |
| 05:56.24 | Kkrauss | for port forwarding purposes |
| 05:56.35 | Kkrauss | im an Azureus nerd |
| 05:56.47 | itchi | Kkrauss: No problem with it, just that when you use dhcp, you not need to configure the network |
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| 05:57.02 | Kkrauss | the desktokp is within dhcp |
| 05:57.04 | Kkrauss | not static |
| 05:57.05 | Kkrauss | just the laptop |
| 05:57.08 | dendrite | Kkrauss: So if your MAC address is served by dhcp, it should just work... |
| 05:57.08 | itchi | Kkrauss: Just put the cd and have net |
| 05:57.11 | Kkrauss | my laptop is outside of the dhcp for a reason |
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| 05:57.20 | Kkrauss | yes it should dendrite |
| 05:57.23 | Kkrauss | thats what I was thinking |
| 05:57.40 | SerajewelKS | is there any command or maybe /proc node that will expose the CPU error rate? |
| 05:57.46 | dendrite | Kkrauss: The main complaint you're likely to have is that running from CD is slower than running from disk. |
| 05:57.52 | exobyte | for some reason, when I do mkfs.ext3 on a truecrypt dev in /dev/mapper, my system crashes. There isn't an error on the screen, it just locks up |
| 05:57.55 | Kkrauss | duh :) |
| 05:57.58 | dendrite | CPU... Error rate? |
| 05:58.17 | Kkrauss | hey |
| 05:58.18 | itchi | exobyte: On an mounted fs? |
| 05:58.19 | Kkrauss | stupid question |
| 05:58.25 | Kkrauss | the standard |
| 05:58.27 | Kkrauss | downloaded as a rar |
| 05:58.30 | Kkrauss | which isnt usually an image file |
| 05:58.36 | Kkrauss | should I force an image burn and it will be ok? |
| 05:58.51 | SerajewelKS | dendrite: that is, when the CPU screws over an operation, detects it, and tries the operation again -- how many times that's happened. |
| 05:58.55 | Kkrauss | oh you guys dont know windows |
| 05:58.56 | Kkrauss | nvm |
| 05:59.18 | dendrite | Kkrauss: The images I'm looking at are .iso ... |
| 05:59.25 | SerajewelKS | Kkrauss: a rar file is not an ISO or any other format |
| 05:59.27 | SerajewelKS | !rar |
| 05:59.28 | Kkrauss | mine came as rar |
| 05:59.28 | dpkg | from memory, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
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| 05:59.52 | dendrite | SerajewelKS: Beats me. I'm terrified that a CPU would "screw over" an operation and do anything besides just give up completely. |
| 05:59.53 | SerajewelKS | Kkrauss: .rar is loosely like .zip |
| 06:00.06 | Kkrauss | I hate it when people do that |
| 06:00.11 | SerajewelKS | dendrite: just about every modern processor does IIRC |
| 06:00.13 | Kkrauss | I know what rar is |
| 06:00.15 | Kkrauss | my gawd |
| 06:00.18 | Kkrauss | jesus christ |
| 06:00.24 | Kkrauss | do poeple jsut speak to hear themselves |
| 06:00.26 | dendrite | SerajewelKS: I'd unrar before burning. Or, compare sizes, or MD5 sums. |
| 06:00.27 | Kkrauss | my question wasnt |
| 06:00.28 | Kkrauss | what is rar |
| 06:00.30 | SerajewelKS | Kkrauss: so why the fuck would you burn it as an image |
| 06:00.34 | Kkrauss | but dendrite |
| 06:00.35 | Kkrauss | if I unrar |
| 06:00.38 | Kkrauss | its not an image |
| 06:00.42 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 06:00.43 | peterS | Kkrauss: please stop hitting enter |
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| 06:00.51 | peterS | Kkrauss: finish your whole thought, _then_ hit enter |
| 06:00.59 | itchi | Kkrauss: Heh man; he wanted to give you some info, no more no less! |
| 06:01.00 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Unless the systems used rar transparently/automatically to compress the image... |
| 06:01.05 | Kkrauss | peter you are the only one to complain so far ive been here for an hour chatting |
| 06:01.10 | SerajewelKS | Kkrauss: what is the file extension then? |
| 06:01.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell Kkrauss about enter |
| 06:01.19 | SerajewelKS | Kkrauss: two now |
| 06:01.27 | peterS | Kkrauss: well I am officially complaining. sometimes you type a whole sentence then hit enter, that's fine. sometimes you just type 2 words then enter then 2 more words. stop doing that. |
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| 06:01.57 | Langer_ | DCC SEND SOWHATSTHEDEALWITHAIRLINEFOOD 0 0 0 |
| 06:02.02 | Kkrauss | I hate freaking cry babies its so annoying, dendrite ill brb I gotta figure thiout |
| 06:02.03 | Langer_ | WOW |
| 06:02.03 | dendrite | SerajewelKS: Well, I'm ... disturbed ... by that. Anyhow, No idea where the CPU exception count would be.. |
| 06:02.07 | Langer_ | You guys suck |
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| 06:02.12 | SerajewelKS | comcast died? |
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| 06:02.13 | itchi | !ops Langer_ dcc send |
| 06:02.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: Langer_ dcc send |
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| 06:02.32 | itchi | peterS: Sorry, not saw you was there |
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| 06:02.46 | SerajewelKS | ah did not see that exploit line at first |
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| 06:02.51 | dendrite | SerajewelKS: More likely the router bug. |
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| 06:03.03 | Kkrauss | dendrite |
| 06:03.05 | Kkrauss | niiice |
| 06:03.06 | SerajewelKS | dendrite: hmm |
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| 06:03.20 | peterS | Kkrauss: see, that could have been said on one line instead of two |
| 06:03.28 | SerajewelKS | Kkrauss: there's a difference between crybabies and people asking you to help us help you |
| 06:03.36 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Remember, this is not AOL IM. Put complete thoughts all on one line. |
| 06:03.39 | Kkrauss | omg who cares there isnt 200 people talking right now!!!!! |
| 06:03.47 | peterS | Kkrauss: we care. stop doing it. |
| 06:03.55 | Kkrauss | over an hour and no complaints and now crybabies omg!!!!! dendrite I was right |
| 06:04.08 | peterS | Kkrauss: and stop complaining. we treat everyone who does this the same way |
| 06:04.10 | dendrite | Kkrauss: You just burned it? |
| 06:04.24 | Guerin | peterS: i think Kkrauss might be a troll from earlier |
| 06:04.24 | Kkrauss | rar can be used for img and its got an autostart feature so if you pop it into a windows system you get some readme docs on it |
| 06:04.39 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Weird. |
| 06:04.45 | Guerin | peterS: he msged me shortly after someone banned a troll I had been flaming in here |
| 06:05.09 | itchi | hehe |
| 06:05.18 | peterS | !!!!! |
| 06:05.18 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 06:05.22 | itchi | nickchange is so easy |
| 06:05.24 | Kkrauss | no I thought thats how it was going to be but I havent done it in a while. the title is debian live 2006 so I know it worked and all the unpacked files are on there. and Guerin get your facts straight you were bieng a jerk and insulting people so I said something to you |
| 06:05.45 | A310 | anyone happen to know why the wine package (installed via apt-get) would not create /usr/local/bin/winecfg ?? |
| 06:05.49 | Guerin | Kkrauss: i was calling fucktards fucktards, yourself included. |
| 06:05.57 | peterS | A310: debian packages don't use /usr/local/bin at all |
| 06:05.57 | SerajewelKS | !tell A310 about confmiss |
| 06:05.59 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Just drop it, nothing useful can come of stirring up dirt. |
| 06:06.03 | Guerin | Kkrauss: if you have something to say, please do so in public |
| 06:06.12 | SerajewelKS | A310: or what peterS said actually =) |
| 06:06.13 | Kkrauss | Guerin: and im calling assholes assholes yourselrf included, asshole |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | better an arsehole than a fucktard |
| 06:06.34 | peterS | tone it down, both of you. troubled water under bridge |
| 06:06.49 | Kkrauss | Guerin: you are a powertripping irc nerd with nothing better to do because in real life you constantly get picked on and beat up for your piss poor attitude and after being berated by you for 45 minutes I finally pointed that fact out |
| 06:07.02 | Guerin | Kkrauss: i wish that was true |
| 06:07.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: please /ignore? |
| 06:07.27 | dendrite | SerajewelKS: Not in Guerin's religion. :-) |
| 06:07.29 | A310 | SerajewelKS nice but that is for config files, not config <applications> and didnt solve the issue |
| 06:07.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i don't ignore morons, I make them ignore me ... or get banned |
| 06:07.38 | peterS | Kkrauss: one thing he can't do is power-trip. the only power he has in this channel is the built-up karma of being around for a long time and answering a lot of questions |
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| 06:07.48 | Kkrauss | some people in here are the coolest cats around, otheres like to subtly berate people thinking they are too stupid to realize it but that shit dont fly with me |
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| 06:08.09 | Kkrauss | well he CAN berate and be rude and copmlain about stupid things, I dont tolerate cry babies but since it isnt my turf I guess I shouldnt complain |
| 06:08.10 | dendrite | Kkrauss: Remember, this is the Internet. Don't have thin skin! |
| 06:08.11 | peterS | Kkrauss: I hope you don't think Guerin is being subtle |
| 06:08.19 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i wish i was here long enough to be able to say that with confidence |
| 06:08.26 | peterS | he doesn't tend to have that flaw, in my experience. he's rather on the blunt side |
| 06:08.32 | Kkrauss | Guerin you keep cdalling me a moron |
| 06:08.34 | Kkrauss | for what? |
| 06:08.35 | Guerin | it's a fine line |
| 06:08.42 | Kkrauss | because you are more knowledged than I am with linux? |
| 06:08.48 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: granted i've been here a lot but i doubt long enough |
| 06:08.49 | Guerin | Kkrauss: absolutely not. |
| 06:08.52 | Kkrauss | I gurantee you my intelligence far surpasses yours |
| 06:09.11 | Kkrauss | anytime some one resorts to calling some one "stupid" without justifcation onlyh proves their own stupidity |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | Kkrauss: because you talk about shit you don't know about, like what you just said |
| 06:09.14 | peterS | Kkrauss: dude, when you want to make a claim about how smart you are, it would be more convincing if you ran it through a spellchecker first |
| 06:09.23 | Guerin | iot's *impossible* to guarantee that |
| 06:09.34 | Kkrauss | oi vey |
| 06:09.37 | Kkrauss | he resorted to the typos |
| 06:09.40 | Kkrauss | which arent related to spelling |
| 06:09.47 | SerajewelKS | god kick someone already |
| 06:09.48 | Kkrauss | but instead to laziness of correcting a typo |
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| 06:10.11 | Kkrauss | im arguing with neanderthals on the internet what is wrong with me |
| 06:10.17 | Kkrauss | dendrite you still here? |
| 06:10.17 | peterS | Kkrauss: that line may have been a simple typo, but in general your spelling hasn't impressed me either. if you want to convince people you are intelligent, it might be a good starting point if you learned how to use apostrophes. I'm just saying. |
| 06:10.33 | dendrite | Kkrauss: I'm hiding under my desk. |
| 06:10.34 | Guerin | peterS: apostrophe's |
| 06:10.47 | peterS | Guerin: that's "peter'S" to you |
| 06:10.47 | Kkrauss | I dont care to convince people on irc that im intelligent, but dont fucking attack me you both are cry babies who like to berate people then cry more when you are stood up too |
| 06:10.53 | itchi | dendrite: And me above of it |
| 06:10.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:10.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cpe-66-24-243-84.stny.res.rr.com] by peterS |
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| 06:11.10 | peterS | you can come back in ... say 10 minutes, when you've calmed down a bit |
| 06:11.14 | SerajewelKS | why does this remind me of the yahoo chess lobbies |
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| 06:11.38 | peterS | that's long enough to brew and drink a cup of tea |
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| 06:11.48 | SerajewelKS | peterS: or /part |
| 06:11.52 | peterS | oh, he left, too bad, I thought the tea thing was a good plan |
| 06:12.04 | Guerin | tea is always good |
| 06:12.09 | Dewi | peterS: I don't think tea would have helped his 100 word run-on sentences |
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| 06:12.15 | dlynch | can anyone tell me why external ip's would be showing up in squid access.log? |
| 06:12.22 | Guerin | i blame adhd |
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| 06:12.28 | dlynch | I don't see how anyone besides my local net can use the proxy |
| 06:12.34 | SerajewelKS | dlynch: no firewall? |
| 06:12.38 | dlynch | I have posted part of access.log to: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 06:12.40 | peterS | Dewi: frankly I was happy to see the 100-word run-on sentences. before that he was doing the stupid say 3 words hit enter say 3 more words hit enter |
| 06:12.49 | dlynch | SerajewelKS: got a firewall |
| 06:12.54 | Dewi | peterS: oh yeah |
| 06:12.59 | SerajewelKS | dlynch: can you hit the box from off-site? |
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| 06:13.10 | dlynch | SerajewelKS: no |
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| 06:13.14 | itchi | peterS: Everyone need to grow |
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| 06:13.19 | Dewi | peterS: sigh. I wish it seemed likely that tea could calm me down. It's a nice dream, but sadly I'm at work.... |
| 06:13.31 | SerajewelKS | dlynch: odd |
| 06:13.59 | dlynch | SerajewelKS: yeah |
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| 06:14.18 | dlynch | SerajewelKS: I don't get it at all |
| 06:14.27 | Guerin | my research proposal was given the ultimate compliment of 'give me a 1-page summary in a month and the final in the first week of february' |
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| 06:14.41 | Guerin | that's what I like - lack of meddling by faculty |
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| 06:15.04 | SerajewelKS | dlynch: well maybe you could start tcpdump on that box and record all SYN packets on that port and see if it's *actually* happening or if squid is lying |
| 06:15.13 | dendrite | Guerin: A.K.A. "Enough rope to hang yourself." :-) |
| 06:15.22 | Guerin | dendrite: fuckin' a |
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| 06:15.46 | SerajewelKS | dlynch: or there's another perfectly obvious solution that i'm missing |
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| 06:17.40 | exobyte | itchi: oops. no |
| 06:18.29 | dlynch | SerajewelKS: hehehehehe, thanks for the suggestions :) |
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| 06:20.11 | SerajewelKS | dlynch: np |
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| 06:22.00 | Daveman | uggh |
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| 06:24.48 | kkrauss | . |
| 06:24.50 | peterS | eh, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, I wasn't paying attention |
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| 06:25.35 | Daveman | heh |
| 06:26.05 | peterS | I should go make myself a dang quesodillla |
| 06:27.20 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I hack about one meter from the kitchen, I could just roll my chair in there if I really wanted |
| 06:27.43 | kkrauss | ok folks, im trying the debian standard live cd now |
| 06:28.06 | peterS | kkrauss: what live cd is that? debian doesn't have an official one. there are several live cds based on debian but I haven't heard of one called a "standard" one |
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| 06:28.29 | pmv | yo ho ho |
| 06:29.03 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 06:29.04 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 06:30.36 | peterS | pmv: ITLAP day was a couple months ago |
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| 06:30.59 | pmv | finally fixed my lvm+cryptdisk setup ;-) |
| 06:31.08 | pmv | peterS: and I have no idea what that is :-p |
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| 06:31.28 | peterS | pmv: international talk-like-a-pirate day. 'yo ho ho' made me think of it. |
| 06:31.33 | pmv | ah, haha |
| 06:31.38 | pmv | such a day exists?? |
| 06:31.46 | peterS | it's like september 19 or so |
| 06:31.58 | pmv | first cryptdisk, now this |
| 06:32.03 | pmv | wow, this day is awesome :-p |
| 06:32.13 | pmv | and a bottle of rum! |
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| 06:32.35 | peterS | pmv: I tend to abuse the day to talk like a software pirate |
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| 06:34.08 | peterS | pmV: y0u kN0w, l1k3 th15. 1 3V3n H4v3 4n 1rc 5cr1Pt t0 d0 1t F0r M3, Ju5t f0r th4T d4Y |
| 06:34.32 | pmv | heh |
| 06:34.41 | pmv | oh, well that's a different kinda pirate :-p |
| 06:35.08 | peterS | I'm annoyed at "real" pirate talk, so that was my own small protest |
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| 06:35.37 | pmv | lol |
| 06:35.48 | pmv | 1 pr0t3$7! |
| 06:36.40 | daedalus_ | Yar |
| 06:36.55 | peterS | the script is really simple, it just takes my line of input and runs it through /usr/games/eleet then /usr/games/studly. those are in the excellent and useful 'filters' package. |
| 06:37.03 | pmv | jahh |
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| 06:39.02 | peterS | too bad there isn't an international mumble day, I think /usr/games/kenny is pretty cool |
| 06:39.09 | pmv | haha |
| 06:39.46 | daedalus_ | peterS: Ah, the script isn't that intelligent. (or stupid). Would have been really ridiculous if you ->j00, etc.... |
| 06:40.24 | peterS | daedalus_: yeah, /usr/games/eleet really should do that. maybe you should file a bug against 'filters' |
| 06:41.14 | daedalus_ | I can see it now: "Error in leetspeek conjugation" |
| 06:41.28 | peterS | it doesn't ever replace v or w with \/ \/\/ either |
| 06:41.29 | pmv | hehe |
| 06:41.38 | Guerin | k with |< |
| 06:42.06 | Guerin | "eleet filter not retarded enough" |
| 06:42.10 | daedalus_ | Hehe |
| 06:42.19 | Guerin | 533 p4tc|-| |
| 06:42.36 | peterS | right. and it always substitutes the same way, no variations. not a very retarded script at all |
| 06:42.41 | pmv | lol |
| 06:42.49 | peterS | it can't even introduce misspellings |
| 06:43.08 | Guerin | pmv: the good thing about your script is that it results in language which is still sight-readable |
| 06:43.11 | Guerin | peterS: |
| 06:43.16 | peterS | oh, I stand correct, it does replace 'elite' with 'l33t' |
| 06:43.20 | peterS | corrected, even |
| 06:43.22 | pmv | yeah, that package sucks, no matter how hard I try, I can't sound l33t |
| 06:43.25 | pmv | :v |
| 06:44.13 | peterS | it'd be nice if it could handle things like 'too' and 'for', though |
| 06:44.27 | daedalus_ | ja |
| 06:44.33 | pmv | arr |
| 06:44.44 | daedalus_ | pmv: ess |
| 06:44.59 | peterS | I suppose that functionality could be split into a new /usr/games/aol and if you wanted full blown leet you'd run your text through both |
| 06:45.23 | daedalus_ | peterS: O RLY?!?11 |
| 06:45.27 | pmv | lol |
| 06:45.36 | pmv | m i rite |
| 06:45.37 | peterS | pmv: you misspelled "aol" |
| 06:45.48 | pmv | lollol |
| 06:46.51 | daedalus_ | Clearly what the net needs more of: AOLspeak |
| 06:47.08 | daedalus_ | Gotta fill dem tubes! |
| 06:47.26 | peterS | t00bs |
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| 06:49.02 | peterS | ah, now dana is here, the party can begin |
| 06:49.12 | pmv | brb |
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| 06:51.58 | kkrauss | I never did try my live cd |
| 06:52.01 | kkrauss | but now I have the desktop iso |
| 06:52.29 | peterS | which 'desktop iso' is that? debian install CDs aren't labeled as "desktop", so that's why I wonder |
| 06:52.42 | kkrauss | they are pete |
| 06:52.46 | kkrauss | Ilivecd |
| 06:52.49 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 06:52.49 | Guerin | no sir, they are not |
| 06:52.50 | dpkg | i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 06:52.54 | kkrauss | live.debian.net |
| 06:52.55 | Guerin | debian has no livecd |
| 06:52.59 | kkrauss | current |
| 06:53.04 | kkrauss | 386 |
| 06:53.16 | peterS | oh, live.debian.net - I have no idea what they offer. it's not official debian, but that answers my question anyway |
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| 06:53.35 | peterS | (anything "debian.net" is unofficial, that's the distinction between debian.net and debian.org) |
| 06:53.42 | kkrauss | im not crazy, LIke I was saying before I as here with itchy and dendrite for like an hour and a half talking about it |
| 06:54.14 | itchi | kkrauss: itchi ;-) |
| 06:54.18 | bokey | peterS# hi =) |
| 06:54.21 | bokey | itchi# =) |
| 06:54.22 | kkrauss | sorry itchi :) |
| 06:54.32 | scratchy | forgive your friend :) |
| 06:54.46 | itchi | scratchy: Press just the tabulation key, so he autocomplete the nick name |
| 06:55.07 | kkrauss | believe it or not itchi I know that |
| 06:55.24 | kkrauss | But with 700 people it doesnt work that well sometimes so I gave up on it in here l ol |
| 06:55.46 | itchi | kkrauss: I have getted the iso also but can not yet test it right now, this evening :-) |
| 06:55.49 | Guerin | but the temptation is too great |
| 06:55.58 | streuner | hah |
| 06:56.09 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: shuddup you |
| 06:56.11 | Guerin | ;) |
| 06:56.17 | peterS | with a good irc client it tries to autocomplete first with whatever person talked most recently, or you talked most recently with. they still don't always get it right though |
| 06:56.22 | kkrauss | plus I type really fast so its not like it slows me down unless its a tricky name, itchi I have the standard and the desktop but got to talking to dendrite so havent tested it yet |
| 06:57.08 | kkrauss | like I said I can type the names fast eough it isnt that big of a deal, and when im on a full size keyboard I dont make anywhere near the same typos lol |
| 06:57.17 | peterS | whoa, etch d-i rc1 is out. that's really cool. |
| 06:57.26 | Guerin | right on time |
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| 06:57.30 | peterS | kkrauss: what size keyboard are you on now? |
| 06:57.32 | Guerin | one every two weeks until release |
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| 06:57.51 | itchi | kkrauss: I have take the same, like the others, i know what it's looks like |
| 06:58.03 | kkrauss | laptop |
| 06:58.25 | kkrauss | well itchi standard is sid |
| 06:58.28 | kkrauss | if you ditn notice |
| 06:59.30 | itchi | kkrauss: Look good, go again to that site |
| 06:59.38 | kkrauss | which one? |
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| 06:59.44 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 06:59.44 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 06:59.55 | itchi | kkrauss: debian.net |
| 07:00.02 | kkrauss | what am I looking at? |
| 07:00.09 | itchi | kkrauss: Because you have the standard Etch too |
| 07:00.20 | itchi | kkrauss: But it does not realy matters at this leve |
| 07:00.25 | itchi | level |
| 07:00.31 | itchi | fck keybinding |
| 07:00.36 | kkrauss | etch?? |
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| 07:00.41 | kkrauss | there was no standard etch |
| 07:00.49 | itchi | kkrauss: The code nam of testing |
| 07:00.54 | kkrauss | omg |
| 07:00.55 | itchi | okay |
| 07:00.56 | kkrauss | omg |
| 07:00.57 | kkrauss | im a douche bag |
| 07:01.04 | kkrauss | I downloaded sid and didnt realize there weas etch |
| 07:01.06 | itchi | I need to fix it, it piss me off |
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| 07:01.35 | kkrauss | itchi I didnt see etch! |
| 07:01.37 | kkrauss | im so mad:( |
| 07:01.44 | hyphenex | I don't think PHP is working??? |
| 07:02.00 | kkrauss | I got sidetracked with the drama sigh |
| 07:02.06 | kkrauss | I might as well throw that cd away lol |
| 07:02.07 | streuner | hyphenex: read /usr/share/doc/php4 |
| 07:02.16 | rshakin | anyone runs the testing on sparc here ? |
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| 07:02.26 | hyphenex | streuner, Shouldn't it open php when I type in php4?? |
| 07:02.43 | itclanster | sudo command is not working in my system , i had changed the permisions 777 for /usr/bin and now on using sudo it says " setuid root" |
| 07:02.51 | itchi | On the laptop, some time when i press an unbound key, it mess up the whole text in the console. Some additional characters come in and move a bit the whole text. If i backspace to remove that strange character, looks like the text are a bit froozen and i not correct realy right then |
| 07:02.54 | itclanster | how shud i rectify it |
| 07:03.22 | streuner | hyphenex: no |
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| 07:03.41 | hyphenex | streuner, Okies... so will php automatically work with apache?? |
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| 07:03.51 | kkrauss | hm |
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| 07:04.35 | streuner | hyphenex: php sure, but in order to *see* some php files you have to make some changes |
| 07:04.37 | anilomkar | hi all, can anyone tell me how to retrieve picture from digital camera? |
| 07:04.59 | streuner | anilomkar: does you camera support USB storage? |
| 07:05.13 | streuner | otherwise just use gphoto2 |
| 07:05.24 | hyphenex | streuner, Ok, ok... I've got phpadmin, but whenever I try and go into that directory, it just wants to download some file?? |
| 07:05.32 | anilomkar | streuner: yes my camera is Canon PowerShot A510 |
| 07:05.35 | streuner | !tell anilomkar about usb storage |
| 07:06.00 | itchi | I got only that trouble with irssi in screen, i not realy know to what i need to look to solve that trouble |
| 07:06.05 | stew | anilomkar: cannons don't support usb-storage, so ignore that, you'll have to use something based on libgphoto2 |
| 07:06.34 | streuner | !info gphoto2 |
| 07:06.40 | anilomkar | stew: shall i install libgphoto2 |
| 07:06.45 | dpkg | gphoto2: (The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.2.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 183 kB, Installed size: 928 kB |
| 07:07.20 | hyphenex | so how do I get PHP working :'( |
| 07:07.27 | peterS | anilomkar: yeah gphoto2 knows about the A510, it can use it in native mode or in the more standard PTP (picture transfer protocol) mode, you'll be fine |
| 07:07.30 | streuner | we told you, scroll up |
| 07:07.38 | hyphenex | I tried uncommenting out those php line things in the apache2 config, but didn't work :( |
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| 07:09.27 | stew | anilomkar: gphoto2 will be a command line util, gtkam is a gui if you prefer |
| 07:09.40 | kkrauss | ok how can I guy like me who has soo many woman ever get involved in this lol |
| 07:09.54 | kkrauss | everytime I try to use the livecd a stupid girl ims me on my laptop its pissing me off lol |
| 07:10.08 | kkrauss | itchi you arent going to try either cd now? |
| 07:10.18 | itchi | kkrauss: This evening |
| 07:10.29 | kkrauss | evening for me is 18 hours away? |
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| 07:10.48 | itchi | kkrauss: Meaby, here not +1 here |
| 07:11.01 | kkrauss | meaby? |
| 07:11.17 | anilomkar | stew: When i enter the command "gphoto2 --auto-detect" i am getting this error "Applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. This is a bug in the application." |
| 07:11.31 | itchi | kkrauss: Typo errno |
| 07:11.59 | peterS | huh. I _knew_ there was a reason I was avoiding dbus |
| 07:12.12 | kkrauss | hahahahahahah!!!!lolol |
| 07:12.13 | kkrauss | that was ufnny |
| 07:12.31 | streuner | anilomkar: means, sometimes you'll get odd messages from gphoto2 :-) |
| 07:13.54 | streuner | anilomkar: lsusb should work too, btw. (apt-get install usbutils) |
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| 07:15.09 | anilomkar | streuner: lsusb is detected my Mouse but not my camera |
| 07:15.31 | peterS | anilomkar: possibly the camera can't work at USB 1.1 speeds and you need to 'modprobe ehci_hcd' to make your computer talk USB 2.0 |
| 07:15.41 | peterS | I've seen that happen before, I think my camera does it, actually |
| 07:16.17 | peterS | if that doesn't help, then unplug / plug the camera after the 'modprobe ehci_hcd' command |
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| 07:17.04 | streuner | anilomkar: less /var/log/messages should tell you, does the kernel regonizes the changes or not |
| 07:17.31 | anilomkar | peterS: output ---> bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 07:17.48 | peterS | anilomkar: oh, you have to be root to use modprobe |
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| 07:20.40 | bokey | peterS# is w3m any good ? |
| 07:21.03 | peterS | bokey: if you like that sort of thing, I think you'll find it's just the sort of thing you like. |
| 07:21.46 | bokey | peterS# hummm.. =) |
| 07:22.11 | peterS | bokey: it's good for what it is. I don't really fancy the keyboard interface, so I haven't used it in a long time. I use elinks. |
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| 07:22.43 | anilomkar | streuner: i got this in /var/log/messages Nov 14 12:48:34 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 07:22.43 | anilomkar | Nov 14 12:48:34 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 07:22.47 | peterS | bokey: especially once elinks gained support for tabbed browsing - that was the one cool feature w3m had that elinks didn't, IMO |
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| 07:23.50 | streuner | anilomkar: fine, just use what stew told you before |
| 07:23.53 | Overand | What's the syntax for grep to search for "one string" OR "another string" (returning all occurences of both)? |
| 07:23.56 | bokey | peterS# that sounds like one of lynx fork ? |
| 07:24.10 | Overand | someone suggested grep -e 'one string|another string' which doesn't work |
| 07:24.22 | peterS | bokey: no, really a reimplementation. links didn't start with lynx code, they just chose a name that sounds similar. elinks is a links fork. |
| 07:24.32 | peterS | Overand: grep -e 'one string' -e 'another string' |
| 07:24.39 | peterS | Overand: or use egrep, which does support | |
| 07:24.40 | bokey | peterS# ahh.. |
| 07:25.06 | peterS | bokey: links2 is pretty cool too, but elinks seems to handle colors better, so. |
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| 07:25.40 | peterS | Overand: ...or maybe someone really said grep -E, which is not the same thing as grep -e. that line _would_ work with grep -E. |
| 07:25.53 | Overand | aqhh. |
| 07:26.00 | Overand | well i was able to do it with -e 'dfs' -e 'asdfasdf' |
| 07:26.02 | Overand | thanks peterS |
| 07:26.33 | itchi | kkrauss: Had you asked about that links2 -g ? |
| 07:27.02 | peterS | diced apples in a bowl, generously sprinkly cinnamon + sugar, microwave for a couple minutes ... mmmmmmmm. |
| 07:27.22 | Azar | oatmeal? |
| 07:27.37 | peterS | Guerin: baking the apples works too but takes longer |
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| 07:27.47 | Coweater | man, that's almost tempting enough to get out of my chair |
| 07:27.50 | Guerin | or oatmeal, either. Hateful stuff, like paperhanger's glue. |
| 07:28.01 | Guerin | porridge SHOULD NOT be the consistency of paste |
| 07:28.04 | bokey | peterS# why isn't there any mouse support for elinks "? |
| 07:28.13 | peterS | bokey: huh? there is, I use it every day |
| 07:28.15 | bokey | peterS# curses library if I correctly spell ? |
| 07:28.36 | peterS | bokey: if you run elinks either in an xterm, or in a linux console while 'gpm' is running, the mouse works perfectly |
| 07:28.59 | bokey | peterS# bookmark manager > Close . that doesn't work |
| 07:29.10 | bokey | peterS# fine =) |
| 07:29.16 | streuner | microwave is the most useless product ever (TM) :-) |
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| 07:29.37 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | microwave is an awesome product |
| 07:29.37 | Azar | it's good only for warm up fast frozen foods |
| 07:29.38 | peterS | that's nice for you, streuner. it saves me a great deal of time. that makes it useful for me. |
| 07:29.49 | OmgWtfIDiedLol | however that;s not for this channel to discuss |
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| 07:30.10 | pmv | anyone here on cryptdisk+lvm? |
| 07:30.14 | peterS | bokey: you talk about a single menu option that doesn't work correctly and you extrapolate that to say mouse support isn't there? |
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| 07:30.40 | bokey | peterS# right. =) |
| 07:30.46 | pmv | someone here was asking about it yesterday, and I said I'd post updates on my progress |
| 07:30.53 | pmv | was it mike-something .. |
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| 07:31.13 | bokey | peterS# where's the web documentation for elinks ? it's pretty nice =) |
| 07:31.50 | peterS | bokey: oh, I don't know, but try the 'Help / ELinks home page' menu option |
| 07:32.03 | streuner | peterS: sorry, in some ways it reminds me to helix :-) |
| 07:32.03 | peterS | bokey: hit ESC or click on the top bar to get the menu |
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| 07:32.23 | peterS | streuner: uh - what do helix and microwaves have in common? |
| 07:32.45 | streuner | peterS: i would guess helix never touched a microwave ever :-) |
| 07:33.08 | peterS | streuner: come to think of it, I've never asked her, but that would surprise me |
| 07:33.34 | bokey | peterS# man elinks => -anonymous [0|1] (default: 0) pretty good. =) |
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| 07:34.21 | peterS | bokey: quite a few options in the program, hit 'o' or go to the appropriate menu entry.... |
| 07:35.37 | bokey | peterS# right =) |
| 07:36.38 | peterS | bokey: way back in the day, the choices were lynx, w3m, links. lynx couldn't render tables, so that sucked. w3m ... I just didn't care for the keybindings. so I've been using links, and now elinks, for like 6 years |
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| 07:37.16 | bokey | peterS# right =) elinks.cz seems to be dead =( |
| 07:37.32 | bokey | peterS# want to read documentation if any, |
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| 07:38.04 | peterS | bokey: elinks.cz doesn't seem dead to me |
| 07:38.53 | bokey | peterS# time out. =( |
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| 07:39.54 | peterS | bokey: well. the manual seems to also be shipped in the debian package, at least for unstable (which I'm using) - /usr/share/doc/elinks/manual.txt and all the .txt files it refersto |
| 07:39.58 | itchi | bokey: Link works here too |
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| 07:41.30 | peterS | bokey: can you get to my site? http://p12n.org/tmp/elinks-manual.html |
| 07:41.46 | bokey | peterS# yeah there's one I know. =) just a nice html documentation woldn't be bad =) |
| 07:42.18 | bokey | itchi# elinks.cz seems to die at 21st hop |
| 07:43.26 | bokey | peterS# =) check now =) |
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| 07:43.42 | peterS | heh, right |
| 07:43.58 | bokey | peterS# and thanks =) |
| 07:44.04 | peterS | oh, it wants stylesheets. hmmm. |
| 07:45.45 | bokey | peterrooney# I am looking for keybindings in specific |
| 07:45.56 | peterS | bokey: you can reload if you want to see it with stylesheets, I think I got them all copied into place |
| 07:45.56 | bokey | peterS# oops.. =) |
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| 07:47.15 | bokey | peterS# it seems good =) |
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| 07:51.44 | voxtop | which package provides cc? |
| 07:52.33 | voxtop | i thought cpp-3.4 would, but it installs /usr/bin/cpp-3.4 |
| 07:52.51 | pmv | gcc |
| 07:52.55 | peterS | voxtop: 'gcc' provides /usr/bin/cc |
| 07:53.02 | voxtop | thanks peterS |
| 07:53.32 | peterS | voxtop: though if you really need a compiler you probably want a full development environment, so start by installing 'build-essential' to pull in some stuff |
| 07:53.49 | peterS | although, if you know you don't need a C++ compiler, this will bring in more than you need |
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| 08:00.41 | voxtop | peterS: i'm running sarge. when i try to install gcc, it fails because gcc-3.3-base v3.3.6-13 is installed, but it needs <3.3.6 |
| 08:01.22 | streuner | voxtop: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:01.31 | peterS | voxtop: then you should ask yourself how gcc-3.3-base 3.3.6-13 got onto your box, considering that it isn't in stable |
| 08:01.48 | peterS | voxtop: 3.3.5-13 is in stable, yes, I know it's confusing for most of those numbers to be the same (: |
| 08:02.03 | voxtop | peterS: 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
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| 08:02.41 | peterS | voxtop: you don't got no stable box, then. both libc6 and gcc-3.3 are newer than what stable has |
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| 08:03.37 | voxtop | hrmmmz |
| 08:03.49 | bokey | peterS# everything in elinks seems so different to my usual world. |
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| 08:04.49 | Phated | <3 elinks |
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| 08:06.04 | bokey | peterS# ecmascript, lua these are something I've never learned! |
| 08:06.05 | peterS | bokey: definitely takes some getting used to. I love it for the most part though there are aspects that still do annoy me, particularly keyboard navigation in complex tables. (using the mouse gets around that) |
| 08:06.26 | peterS | bokey: ecmascript == javascript, and I believe the Debian package has it disabled because it was crashing too much |
| 08:06.51 | bokey | peterS# ahh.. =) that's much clearer now. |
| 08:07.14 | peterS | bokey: ECMA is a european standards body, they put some sort of blessing on javascript |
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| 08:07.52 | bokey | hahah.. |
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| 08:09.10 | bokey | peterS# Note: ELinks already supports gzipped files natively. now *this* is indeed powerful! |
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| 08:11.07 | lkthomas | hey all |
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| 08:15.44 | bokey | lkthomas# hi |
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| 08:20.14 | stefan | I have a strange problem. I have a server machine running a ftp server, it's on the same switch that i am and we have a 100/10mbit internet connection. file transfer has always been fast but now it wont go faster than 50kb/s when i transfer from the ftp to my machine. but the other way is wery fast. |
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| 08:20.50 | stefan | stefan, the ftp is running vsftpd and has worked fine until this morning |
| 08:21.03 | smagy2 | hello folks is the permission of /tmp drw-rw-rwT ??or should +x be given to all users ? mutt seems to be complaining about unable to create a tmp file |
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| 08:22.41 | Xteven | stefan : looks like a duplex problem |
| 08:22.54 | Xteven | stefan : check if you have any collisions on either machine :) |
| 08:23.33 | stefan | Xteven, how do i do that? |
| 08:23.34 | Xteven | smagy2 : +x on a directory allows you to chdir to that directory, or open files in that directory |
| 08:23.39 | Xteven | smagy2 : so you need +x |
| 08:23.49 | Xteven | stefan : use ifconfig for example |
| 08:23.57 | Xteven | stefan : it shows a collision counter I believe |
| 08:24.59 | gcbirzan | stefan: Try changing the cable and/or port on the switch. |
| 08:25.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:25.04 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:25.22 | stefan | Xteven, from ifconfig: "collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000" |
| 08:25.42 | gcbirzan | stefan: Any errors or such on the TX/RX lines? |
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| 08:26.11 | stefan | gcbirzan, no, none. |
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| 08:26.40 | voxtop | i'm running 2.6.16-2-686-smp and need the kernel source. however, only 2.6.17 is available. can i use .17's source? if not, where can i find 2.6.16's source with debian patches? |
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| 08:26.46 | stefan | gcbirzan, what do you mean changing on the swith, change the physical input-ports on the switch? |
| 08:26.48 | gcbirzan | stefan: Hm, is the problem isolated to these two machines, or is there one of them that behaves this way no matter (from) where you're transfering stuff? |
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| 08:27.45 | anilomkar | hi all, can anybody give me a howto link for installing AIGLX+Conpiz for Debian sid in Gnome |
| 08:27.49 | stefan | gcbirzan, the ftp can download fast, from my machine and from external servers, and i can download fast from external but not from the ftp |
| 08:27.52 | peterS | voxtop: you're running all sorts of stuff that isn't in debian stable. it's hard to support your system |
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| 08:28.16 | peterS | voxtop: sounds like you updated to testing awhile back and then tried to go back to stable, or something |
| 08:28.16 | bokey | elinks main manual is http://links.sourceforge.net/docs/manual-0.82-en/index.html |
| 08:28.28 | cydork | anilomkar: check the wiki.debian.org it has a article on that. or use http://vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html to search :P |
| 08:28.52 | bokey | !elinks |
| 08:28.55 | peterS | bokey: honestly - I've never used the manual. I look at the keybindings, which you can see / change in that one menu |
| 08:28.56 | voxtop | peterS: i'm running stable with linux 2.6.16. to upgrade to that kernel, i had to upgrade a few packages (libc6, locales, etc) |
| 08:29.03 | gcbirzan | stefan: How about uploading from the ftp to any machine? |
| 08:29.36 | stefan | gcbirzan, havn't tried that. don't know where to try to.. |
| 08:30.53 | voxtop | peterS: any suggestions on how i can get 2.6.16's source? |
| 08:30.59 | bokey | peterS# it's a complete user manual. pretty comprehensive. yeah "k" give keybindings. =) |
| 08:31.20 | peterS | voxtop: same place you got its binaries |
| 08:31.25 | stefan | gcbirzan, but let's say that it works fine to another machine, then the problem is with my machine, right? and if it doesn't work fast the problem must be on the server right? |
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| 08:31.49 | gcbirzan | stefan: Not necessarily for the first, but yes for the second. :-) |
| 08:32.05 | peterS | voxtop: if that was ftp.debian.org, be aware that packages move on especially in sid/testing and you can't always get the exact source for something you installed 4 months ago |
| 08:32.39 | peterS | voxtop: you can look on snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:32.51 | voxtop | peterS: thanks, i'll check there |
| 08:33.14 | bokey | !bot |
| 08:33.14 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 08:34.35 | stefan | gcbirzan, so what do i do if it doesn't work fine to another machine? |
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| 08:35.04 | matteo | hi all |
| 08:35.18 | matteo | it's normal that i can escape a chroot as root? |
| 08:35.22 | Supaplex | any suggestions for a cli (no X) alternative to alsaplayer? It appearently isn't playing my 8kbit 16bit mono wav file correctly. (even when I specify 8khz) |
| 08:36.01 | Supaplex | matteo: if you simply exit the shell that it called, then yes. |
| 08:36.16 | matteo | Supaplex: no, i'm in the shell |
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| 08:36.54 | Supaplex | and how did you escape? |
| 08:37.03 | matteo | i mount /proc |
| 08:37.09 | matteo | then access /proc/1/root |
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| 08:37.44 | matteo | root@not a tty[/]# ll /etc/fstab |
| 08:37.46 | matteo | ls: /etc/fstab: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.47 | gcbirzan | stefan: Change port and cable. |
| 08:37.47 | Supaplex | interesting... |
| 08:37.48 | matteo | root@not a tty[/]# fgrep sda3 /proc/1/root/etc/fstab |
| 08:37.50 | matteo | /dev/sda3 / reiserfs notail,noatime 0 1 |
| 08:38.33 | Supaplex | turns the chroot into swiss cheese... |
| 08:38.38 | matteo | lol |
| 08:39.43 | peterS | matteo: yeah, well, chroot is not meant to protect a process that has root privileges! |
| 08:40.19 | matteo | ah, ok |
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| 08:40.32 | peterS | matteo: try the same trick (or any trick) with a process that isn't root |
| 08:40.46 | peterS | matteo: then if you can still get out of the chroot, come back to report a bug |
| 08:41.14 | Supaplex | that's nice to know however =) |
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| 08:41.22 | matteo | i'll try with a process with a same ID if a running one |
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| 08:42.10 | peterS | matteo: oh, if you have two processes and only one is chrooted, you're not very well protected. if you trust the user to run a process outside the chroot, then you trust the user to run a process outside the chroot |
| 08:42.51 | peterS | matteo: you can always hijack any running process if it's your own process - just use ptrace (think 'gdb -attach') |
| 08:43.04 | matteo | hijack? |
| 08:43.06 | stefan | gcbirzan, change the positions of the cables on the swich didn't work |
| 08:43.15 | peterS | matteo: stop the process and make it do whatever you want it to do |
| 08:43.19 | matteo | i know, ptrace -p |
| 08:43.20 | peterS | matteo: like gdb does |
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| 08:43.41 | matteo | i prefer kill -9 |
| 08:44.02 | peterS | kill -9 is all very well but it has nothing to do with hijacking a process. all it does it kill the process, then it's not very useful to you afterward |
| 08:45.14 | peterS | the point is that if you trust the user with any privileged things - open file handles to sensitive locations, being outside a chroot, being bound to a privileged TCP port - then the user can access all of that stuff from any other of his processes, even if they are chrooted and whatnot |
| 08:45.27 | peterS | since the user can 'gdb -attach pid_of_the_outside_process' |
| 08:45.45 | matteo | or use /proc/pid_of_the_outside_process/root/ |
| 08:45.59 | peterS | well, that too, but that only goes for getting out of a chroot |
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| 08:46.11 | peterS | ptrace is more general |
| 08:46.13 | Koston | chroot needs to be very carefully made, otherwise it's security value is close to 0 (only stops the lamest script kiddies and automated scripts) |
| 08:46.38 | matteo | ok, got it |
| 08:46.41 | matteo | thanks |
| 08:46.45 | peterS | Koston: nonsense. chroot is a very simple and effective way to ensure security, so long as you don't do anything stupid like allow the same user to run another process outside the chroot |
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| 08:47.17 | quitte | thanks,too. that was a very good introduction to the insecurity of chroot |
| 08:47.17 | Koston | peterS, there are a magnitude of ways to escape a chroot, some which don't even require uid=0 inside the chroot. |
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| 08:47.35 | jusse | spaish??? |
| 08:47.38 | peterS | Koston: name one that doesn't |
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| 08:47.41 | jusse | i have a problem with ssh |
| 08:47.42 | quitte | so can i chroot a process that needs a priviledged port safely somehow? |
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| 08:48.05 | peterS | quitte: if the process needs a privileged port, it needs to run as root. if it's running as root, it can escape the chroot. |
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| 08:48.20 | SerajewelKS | quitte: if the process binds the port, chroots, then drops root privileges |
| 08:48.24 | quitte | ok. port forwarding,maybe? |
| 08:49.30 | SerajewelKS | quitte: bind_port(); chroot("/some/jail"); setuid(pid_of_nobody); |
| 08:49.32 | peterS | Koston: I know several ways out of a chroot that require root privileges. the only one I know of that doesn't is the one we were just discussing, which requires a process of the same UID to be already running outside the chroot |
| 08:49.50 | peterS | Koston: I'm curious about your many other ways |
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| 08:50.27 | peterS | or, really I guess the word is sceptical |
| 08:51.08 | SerajewelKS | quitte: i know that vsftpd does this when told to chroot itself |
| 08:52.56 | stefan | how come this chanes has become more populare than the old debian chanell? |
| 08:53.11 | quitte | it is the ol debian channel |
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| 08:55.02 | Koston | peterS, mm, don't forget acquiring root inside the chroot may not be all that difficult, either |
| 08:55.27 | quitte | i have a rv280. is that compatible with r200 so that i can give xegl a try? |
| 08:55.43 | SerajewelKS | Koston: how would it be easier than outside of a chroot? |
| 08:55.51 | peterS | Koston: if the person who set up the chroot has half a brain, they didn't put any setuid-root binaries in there. of course there may be kernel vulnerabilities. but aside from those, how do you propose to get root without a setuid root binary to talk to? |
| 08:56.51 | Supaplex | beg ;) |
| 08:57.21 | Koston | peterS, most people with even full brain can't accomplish secure chroonts |
| 08:57.37 | Supaplex | troll bait |
| 08:57.46 | peterS | I don't mean to sound flippant about kernel vulnerabilities, my point there is that if you have a kernel vulnerability you lose if you have _any_ local users with just about any restrictions |
| 08:58.02 | peterS | Koston: I love how you make sweeping statements but somehow keep forgetting to provide any details |
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| 08:58.38 | peterS | "some of them don't require root" "which ones?" "well, it might be easy to get root anyway" "how?" "people can't set up secure chroots" |
| 08:59.01 | Koston | hmph. |
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| 08:59.30 | peterS | Koston: put it this way: if someone puts a setuid-root binary inside a chroot, I have to wonder if they understand what the point of a chroot is in the first place |
| 09:00.04 | bokey | !fakeroot |
| 09:00.04 | dpkg | fakeroot is probably a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 09:00.18 | peterS | I suppose such people probably exist. but they're not what I'd call clueful |
| 09:00.48 | Koston | if you haven't noticed, very few people have clue. |
| 09:01.23 | Koston | if I had time, I could just grab some xyz vanilla kernel, build a chroot environment, then break out of it for proof of concept. |
| 09:01.40 | Koston | I'm just trying to point out, that very very very few environments take everything into account, and even one hole is plenty enough. |
| 09:01.51 | Koston | like the various local xploits in the vanilla tree |
| 09:01.57 | peterS | Koston: so I guess I've pushed you back from "chroots are almost useless" to "people who set up chroots without understanding anything about them can render them useless by how they misconfigure them". good enough for me. |
| 09:02.23 | Koston | ah, I hope I didn't make the statement "chroots are almost useless" :/ |
| 09:02.34 | cydork | Koston: what's your point then? |
| 09:02.55 | peterS | <Koston> chroot needs to be very carefully made, otherwise it's security value is close to 0 |
| 09:02.58 | peterS | that's his point |
| 09:03.01 | Koston | yes. |
| 09:03.11 | peterS | but I guess by "very carefully made" he means "made by someone who has at least 3 brain cells" |
| 09:03.17 | cydork | :) |
| 09:03.37 | Koston | peterS, well, vast majority of people who make chroots don't even know that escaping it w/ uid=0 is a nobrainer |
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| 09:04.07 | Koston | anyhoo, lunchtime -> |
| 09:04.16 | peterS | that's unfortunate. people should assume _anything_ is possible if you're root, because it is. you can take over the whole kernel trivially, just by loading a module |
| 09:04.25 | Supaplex | naptyme :) |
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| 09:04.44 | whaq|away | hi |
| 09:04.54 | peterS | kernel modules, after all, have no concept of a chroot |
| 09:04.59 | whaq|away | debian experts.. do u prefer aoe or iscsi? |
| 09:05.28 | peterS | whaq|away: never used either one. iscsi has been around longer but who knows whether that signifies a difference in the maturity of support |
| 09:06.16 | SerajewelKS | aoe is easy to type with dvorak =) |
| 09:06.17 | peterS | whaq|away: doing this at the block level will never be as efficient as doing it at the filesystem level. so I'd say ignore both standards and use nfs and friends |
| 09:06.23 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: haha |
| 09:06.25 | peterS | SerajewelKS: heh, indeed |
| 09:06.57 | SerajewelKS | ls -l on the other hand... |
| 09:07.09 | SerajewelKS | literally... |
| 09:07.32 | whaq|away | peterS, well yes. but it's not a replacement for nfs\samba.. it's an abstraction layer for hardware. (You'll still need nfs/samba/afp/etc) |
| 09:07.33 | peterS | yes, literally |
| 09:07.53 | peterS | whaq|away: no you don't, if you have iscsi you don't need a remote filesystem, you use a local filesystem. |
| 09:08.41 | peterS | whaq|away: the point is, your iscsi-capable controller won't use that network bandwidth as efficiently as if it were a nfs server instead, like most NAS boxes are |
| 09:09.06 | whaq|away | peterS, in my case, we plan to use iscsi\aoe so we can get a big SAN to abstract the block device and have multiple 'diskless' servers running multiple services (amongst others samba & nfs) |
| 09:09.34 | whaq|away | peterS, apples and oranges. |
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| 09:10.08 | peterS | whaq|away: I know it's apples and oranges, and I'm saying, talking physical disk blocks across a network is not as efficient as talking files and directories across a network |
| 09:10.17 | whaq|away | that's not a good use of iscsi\aoe, what you're describing. it wasn't the purpose of neither aoe or iscsi. |
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| 09:10.37 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. I have a Dell Axim X50v that i'm trying to connect to my sarge box via synce, and it hangs in the synce-serial-chat. |
| 09:10.37 | blahdeblah_ | I've created a debugging version of synce-serial-chat that echoes what it's doing, and it just blocks on the read from the USB serial device. |
| 09:10.37 | blahdeblah_ | What else can i do to debug it? The PDA works fine on my 'doze box at work. |
| 09:11.00 | peterS | whaq|away: now whether you can take a NFS share and re-export it over NFS, I'm not sure. if that's not possible, then I guess you need a different protocol like the block-level ones |
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| 09:11.47 | peterS | whaq|away: there's also enbd, I don't know how it stacks up against ataoe or iscsi but it should be considered |
| 09:14.22 | peterS | huh. 'apt-cache search enbd' shows nothing - that surprises me. I wonder if 'nbd-server' is actually enbd |
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| 09:15.22 | cydork | peterS: nope |
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| 09:16.09 | quitte | peterS: i never heard of enbd. but nbd is the network block device |
| 09:16.39 | peterS | quitte: enbd is a fork of nbd, I last heard of it years ago, maybe it eventually died or something |
| 09:17.03 | quitte | ah |
| 09:17.15 | peterS | I do note that there's no enbd option in modern kernel configs |
| 09:19.43 | whaq|away | aoe and iscsi are industry standard. where you get interoperability even between operating systems. in light of that, i'm not sure if enbd is still a viable option nowadays. |
| 09:19.48 | quitte | noone in any related channels seems to know if ati rv280 is compatible to r200. so all i can do is try :( |
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| 09:21.08 | whaq|away | peterS, horses for courses. databases, for example, are not suitable for nfs\samba. not to mention, the point of aoe and iscsi is hardly to 'make remote disks accessible', rather they're the extension of storage connectivity (scsi cables, ata cables, etc). |
| 09:21.08 | whaq|away | quitte, if i'm not mistaken, enbd is 'enhanced' nbd.. successor of the former. |
| 09:21.14 | exclude | does anyone know a good trick to test wether the DNS MX is set to a certain IP? |
| 09:21.36 | Cerel | hello everyone |
| 09:21.49 | peterS | whaq: making disks outside your chassis accessible, and making remote disks accessible, sound like the same thing to me |
| 09:21.55 | cydork | whaq|away: ya that true. i think aoe is actully easier to implement and performance is good too .. |
| 09:22.11 | cydork | peterS: not actually.. |
| 09:22.35 | peterS | cydork: what's your definition for 'remote disks', then, if not disks outside the computer chassis? |
| 09:22.44 | cydork | peterS: if you look at aoe it doesn't even use tcpip. |
| 09:22.53 | blahdeblah_ | exclude: host -t mx example.com ?? |
| 09:22.57 | peterS | cydork: I never mentioned TCP/IP |
| 09:23.10 | peterS | exclude: I'd use 'mx' from the host program |
| 09:23.23 | stefan | what happened to the old debian chanell? |
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| 09:23.30 | peterS | stefan: what old debian channel? |
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| 09:23.47 | exclude | blahdeblah_: thanks, I did not know about the tool "host" :) |
| 09:23.52 | pmv | w00t, got my 3G card workin on deb |
| 09:24.00 | quitte | stefan: it is still here! but irc.debian.net points to oftc now |
| 09:24.01 | peterS | exclude: if you have 'host' installed, you can use its alias 'mx' to save some typing |
| 09:24.16 | stefan | ok |
| 09:24.24 | peterS | quitte: no, but irc.debian.org does |
| 09:24.44 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: mx doesn't appear on my sarge box - is that something installed by default? |
| 09:24.58 | quitte | peterS: oops, right. |
| 09:25.10 | whaq | peterS, aoe and iscsi were designed to replace scsi and pata\sata cables... whereas nfs & samba came about to make use of existing networking cables to access filesystem on other systems. Similar means, different purposes. |
| 09:25.11 | peterS | blahdeblah_: I'm using sid, so possibly. 'mx' == 'host -t mx', basically |
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| 09:25.14 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 09:25.33 | whaq | cydork, yeah that's what I read too. AoE isn't routable too... that can be good\bad, depnding on your setup\needs. |
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| 09:25.44 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: I missed the first part of your conversation - what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 09:25.55 | kanaldrache | I think i found as error in either the documentation of dh_kpatches or the actuall program and wanted to approve it |
| 09:26.09 | cydork | whaq: yep . |
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| 09:26.37 | whaq | blahdeblah_, religious discussion =) just banters about the topic, i wanna gauge the awareness and opinions about said technologies & camps. |
| 09:26.43 | kanaldrache | The config says: `As a special case [for the Kernel-version field ], the value "all" is allowed, for patches that don't depend on a specific version (eg. if they just add a set of files).' |
| 09:26.43 | peterS | whaq: I know the means is different, since they operate at different protocol levels, but the point is the same, to access storage that isn't directly connected to your machine using regular scsi cables |
| 09:27.07 | kanaldrache | When i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot now i get `Malformed kernel version: `all' at /usr/bin/dh_installkpatches line 305.' |
| 09:27.09 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: If it's religious discussion, i'm in! :-) Add my vote for iSCSI as the best thing since sliced bread. :-D |
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| 09:27.26 | cydork | blahdeblah_: it sucks :) |
| 09:27.29 | kanaldrache | And it's right, there seems no case for `all' in the script |
| 09:27.50 | kanaldrache | There's no bug report against dh_kpatches |
| 09:27.58 | blahdeblah_ | cydork: My religion is better than yours. :-) |
| 09:28.17 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah_: no religion is better than any religion :p |
| 09:28.23 | cydork | blahdeblah_: i dont have one, i am a atheist :P |
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| 09:28.31 | peterS | cydork: uh, that's a religion |
| 09:28.31 | SpeedyG | yay cydork :) |
| 09:28.35 | whaq | peterS, for most desktop users, your point can be well taken. But if you manage a good number of servers and start to take storage lifecycle management more seriously, the difference is STARKING. |
| 09:28.45 | whaq | blahdeblah_, haha |
| 09:29.20 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: So your religion is storage lifecycle management? :-) |
| 09:29.41 | peterS | whaq: it sounds like you're saying "NFS is for remotely accessing disks, AoE is for having disks that are remote". I just don't see the difference, it sounds like the same purpose to me. I know NFS is more flexible in that it's designed for multiple clients to be able to access the same filestore at the same time, but that hardly sounds like a _disadvantage_ |
| 09:30.01 | whaq | blahdeblah_, that's my focus of study at the moment ;) I'm building my own sistine chapel here.. |
| 09:30.14 | dondelelcaro | what we need is coda everywhere. |
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| 09:31.29 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: If you're building the sistine chapel, i must be building the wayside shack. I've been beating my head against SLES10 and an EMC AX100i for the past 3 months and it doesn't seem to want to play nice. :-( |
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| 09:32.45 | whaq | peterS, horses for courses... when you think of AoE and iScsi, you think of having big ass high performance systems (>scsi raid) you can boot your diskless systems off. But NOT give end users direct access to it. Hmm.. maybe that's the key. This isn't for end user. |
| 09:33.22 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: iSCSI is definitely not for end users. |
| 09:33.43 | peterS | I know that's how the industry wants you to think but it still makes no sense to me. why do this stuff at the block level rather than at the filesystem level? it's not like your AoE appliance is too humble to be able to run a NFS server |
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| 09:34.56 | cydork | peterS: performance? |
| 09:35.05 | peterS | I suppose iSCSI and AoE were invented by people who thought fiber channel was a good idea but realised that Gbit ethernet was way cheaper |
| 09:35.08 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: Multi-OS support. |
| 09:35.19 | dondelelcaro | almost every OS supports sNFS |
| 09:35.30 | blahdeblah_ | dondelelcaro: not 'doze or NetWare |
| 09:35.39 | blahdeblah_ | It's used heavily in mixed-OS shops |
| 09:35.49 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah_: NFS does |
| 09:35.57 | peterS | blahdeblah_: and 'doze has an iSCSI driver built in? |
| 09:36.05 | Cerel | can someone help with the installation of ati drivers (non-free, xorg) ? i can't get direct rendering to work (I disabled Composite and AIGLX) |
| 09:36.10 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: yes |
| 09:36.14 | whaq | blahdeblah_, nice :) What I meant by sistine chapel was that it's not something that I want to do.. Michelangelo was commissioned the sistine chapel painting against his will, really.. he preferred to sculpt statues at the time, yet sistime chapel took away a good 4 years of his time. |
| 09:36.16 | blahdeblah_ | (Or at least downloadable) |
| 09:36.19 | dondelelcaro | [well, there definetly are NFS drivers for windows; not sure about netware.] |
| 09:36.22 | blahdeblah_ | dondelelcaro: By default now? |
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| 09:36.33 | peterS | blahdeblah_: bah, if you want downloadable, you can get anything, NFS clients included |
| 09:36.39 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah_: who cares about default? |
| 09:36.45 | blahdeblah_ | dondelelcaro: true |
| 09:36.54 | dondelelcaro | Netware even has NFS |
| 09:37.00 | blahdeblah_ | I meant downloadable and "supported" by M$ |
| 09:37.09 | cydork | whaq: hey just found out http://www.lbserver.org/aoe/ |
| 09:37.16 | blahdeblah_ | dondelelcaro: NFS server, yes, but i wouldn't run its NFS client in a production environment |
| 09:37.20 | peterS | blahdeblah_: who cares if Microsoft supports the product, what you care about is that your storage vendor supports your OS |
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| 09:37.31 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: Don't i know it. |
| 09:37.39 | mikelinux | Swiftfox safe to use in Etch? |
| 09:37.40 | whaq | windows has iscsi drivers (initiators) for sure. |
| 09:37.53 | peterS | blahdeblah_: there's lots of software out there that Microsoft doesn't support. that's not their job. it's the job of the software vendor (in this case, the storage vendor) to make sure it work |
| 09:37.57 | dondelelcaro | they're almost definetly vendor provided, though. |
| 09:37.57 | peterS | works |
| 09:38.59 | whaq | cydork, hey cool. I've never seen that. I've been mucking about with openfiler(.com) on Xen. |
| 09:39.43 | blahdeblah_ | So nobody wants to talk about synce? |
| 09:39.45 | blahdeblah_ | :-D |
| 09:40.33 | whaq | what's synce? has it anything to do w/ syncml? :) |
| 09:41.02 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: sync Windows CE devices |
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| 09:42.34 | whaq | blahdeblah_, egh.. palm user here :P |
| 09:43.07 | blahdeblah_ | Me too, but my palm sucks (it's a T3) and it's almost dead. |
| 09:43.16 | whaq | opensolaris with its zfs as the iscsi target would rock... then you can even lay ntfs on top of it, and have a 'diskless' windows system boot from it. |
| 09:43.39 | whaq | T3 has the best casing designed and manufactured by Palm inc.. by far.. |
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| 09:46.19 | blahdeblah_ | whaq: Pity about the stupid slide thingy and the non-removable battery |
| 09:47.08 | saintiss | hi |
| 09:47.29 | saintiss | what would be a reason to run spamd? it seems like piping all mails through spamassassin -L works as well, without daemon |
| 09:48.24 | blahdeblah_ | saintiss: Performance |
| 09:48.30 | petemc | saintiss: i use spamd with exim to scan a message before its fully accepted, that way i can give a 5xx if it scores high enough |
| 09:48.50 | blahdeblah_ | saintiss: If it's working well for you, sounds like a good reason not to change. :-) |
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| 09:49.09 | blahdeblah_ | petemc: Nice. Do you know if postfix can do that? |
| 09:49.24 | saintiss | blahdeblah_, hmm, I was thinking performance as well, but running spamd doesn't make "spamassassin -L" any faster |
| 09:49.29 | petemc | i dont, id guess it can |
| 09:49.54 | britto | #flood |
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| 09:53.59 | stefan | what does "RX packets:11618075 errors:189 dropped:0 overruns:3 frame:209" means on ifconfig under eth0? |
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| 09:55.37 | peterS | stefan: if you don't know what those statistics are, you can ignore them |
| 09:56.06 | peterS | RX means 'received', the rest are various types of errors |
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| 09:56.52 | blahdeblah_ | saintiss: You have to use spamc instead of spamassassin |
| 09:56.54 | stefan | peterS, no, it's from ifconfig on my ftp-server that i'm having transfer speed problems with |
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| 10:02.56 | jnjb__ | hello |
| 10:03.20 | jnjb__ | i had a problem to my xorg on sid |
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| 10:04.34 | jnjb__ | i had config xorg with dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 10:05.09 | jnjb__ | but the xorg server talk about no screen |
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| 10:07.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:07.42 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:07.44 | Eulex | !no screens found |
| 10:07.45 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 10:08.06 | Eulex | or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for xorg |
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| 10:08.25 | Eulex | jnjb__, ^^ |
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| 10:12.17 | quitte | tarzeau: did you script your daily !popcon? |
| 10:12.34 | tarzeau | quitte: no |
| 10:12.43 | tarzeau | quitte: and you're not the first to ask |
| 10:12.52 | tarzeau | quitte: i'm not scripting any irc activities |
| 10:13.01 | quitte | heh. |
| 10:13.04 | tarzeau | not even the channel joins or the auth |
| 10:13.11 | tarzeau | or the irc server connections |
| 10:13.24 | tarzeau | if one more asks, i'll make an FAQ |
| 10:13.37 | gcbirzan | tarzeau: Do you plan to script it? :-) |
| 10:13.54 | tarzeau | no |
| 10:14.15 | quitte | areyou going to stop after etch is released? |
| 10:14.26 | tarzeau | quitte: maybe |
| 10:14.33 | quitte | do you want to buy these fine leather jackets? |
| 10:14.34 | tarzeau | quitte: because then, FINALLY, the installer asks the user |
| 10:14.38 | gcbirzan | When is Etch going to be released? |
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| 10:14.42 | tarzeau | (if they don't pull it out, in the last moment) |
| 10:14.42 | ecraven | hey all |
| 10:14.53 | tarzeau | gcbirzan: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 10:15.01 | ecraven | where does debian-installer for amd64 look for its modules? i always get mismatches between the kernel i use for booting and the .iso modules |
| 10:15.02 | tarzeau | gcbirzan: when the blue line goes under the red line |
| 10:15.34 | gcbirzan | tarzeau: What do you get if you multiply six by nine? |
| 10:15.56 | quitte | wahaha. sorry for starting this |
| 10:16.05 | tarzeau | gcbirzan: fiftyfour |
| 10:16.10 | quitte | 42! |
| 10:16.57 | SpeedyG | 42 is the answer to everything! |
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| 10:22.09 | voxtop | if a kernel module is loaded and in use, is it possible to reload it with different options? |
| 10:22.46 | gcbirzan | Stop using it? :-) |
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| 10:23.17 | voxtop | gcbirzan: if that's not an option...? |
| 10:23.33 | gcbirzan | Then reboot. Afaik, that's the only way to do it... |
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| 10:23.39 | voxtop | thanks |
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| 10:54.52 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 10:55.50 | ttl_work | why is Debian etch lately changing cdrecord to wodim, ehtereal to wireshark and now mozilla thunderbird to icedove ? |
| 10:56.08 | Ronin | !icedove |
| 10:56.09 | dpkg | well, icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 10:56.45 | blondie | dpkg: bullshit |
| 10:56.45 | dpkg | DRINK! |
| 10:57.04 | blondie | "not able" == "not willing" |
| 10:57.29 | utrrrongeeb | Ethereal changed their own name to Wireshark. |
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| 10:58.57 | AlphA_MalE | I want to run an option in .xsession only if enlightenment run...what is the right bash sintass? |
| 10:59.36 | cydork | blondie: dfsg :) |
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| 11:09.25 | eSa| | is it normal that the debian installer does not include support for ext2 partitions? |
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| 11:09.50 | freespace | the kernel or the installer? |
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| 11:11.01 | eSa| | the kernel for sure, it seems the installer too |
| 11:11.11 | blondie | rubbish |
| 11:11.27 | blondie | it supports ext2 just fine |
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| 11:13.14 | simonrvn | both support it. you probably did something else that made you think it wasn't |
| 11:13.21 | eSa| | maybe the support is somewhat hidden to me. When I run the disk partitioner tool it doesn't allow me to reuse an ext2 partition |
| 11:13.50 | eSa| | I'm talking about the d-i this time |
| 11:15.34 | simonrvn | um, that's different to what you said... |
| 11:16.42 | eSa| | for instance: I0ve got an ext2 /boot partition and I want the installer to keep it as it is. That's to say I choose a mount point. This is not possible. I got to do manual tweaking to accomplish that |
| 11:17.47 | eSa| | s/got to/have to/ |
| 11:18.06 | eSa| | I'm still trying to figure out the situation |
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| 11:25.08 | quitte | eSa|: just tell it you don'T want to format the partition |
| 11:25.15 | badcfe_ | hmmm. i got a stale ssh connection, and now when i do "write pts/0" (previous connection) i get "write: pts/0 is not logged in". however, the who command has pts/0 in the list |
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| 11:29.06 | cydork | badcfe: write username ttyname |
| 11:29.11 | cydork | badcfe: man write |
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| 11:30.42 | badcfe | cydork: sorry. |
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| 11:34.50 | matteo | who owns /etc/X11/xkb/? |
| 11:35.18 | tarzeau | matteo: try dpkg -S /etc/X11/xkb ? |
| 11:35.33 | matteo | dpkg: /etc/X11/xkb/ not found. |
| 11:35.46 | tarzeau | xbase-clients, xlibs: /etc/X11/xkb |
| 11:36.04 | tarzeau | the last / isn't part of the filename |
| 11:36.30 | tarzeau | matteo: and dpkg -S wants a filename pattern |
| 11:36.37 | matteo | true |
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| 11:37.58 | badcfe | dpkg -S /etc/profile gives me dpkg: /etc/profile not found. same for /var/tmp/vi.recover |
| 11:37.59 | dpkg | There is no record of a /etc/profile gives me dpkg: /etc/profile not found. same for /var/tmp/vi.recover package |
| 11:38.23 | fireba11 | question: i got a vserver ... they use virtuozzo fot it, now available ram shows what the whole box got, only way to see my vservers ram is a special proc entry ... this will casue applications to use more ram than they actually need ebcause tehy think there is lots available i think .. is that correct ? |
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| 11:42.01 | PumpkinPie | cogent = bad |
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| 11:42.12 | PumpkinPie | near nation wide failure right now |
| 11:42.20 | PumpkinPie | probably globally also |
| 11:42.20 | SpeedyG | wow that sucks :/ |
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| 11:49.28 | eSa| | quitte: I can't do that because ext2 isn't available as a choice. If I choose ext3 the d-i tells me I have to format because the existing filesystem is ext2 |
| 11:51.02 | eSa| | the only 'safe' option is not to use the partion but it's useless because i don't know how to mount it in /boot |
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| 11:51.14 | messju_ | hi, how can read the actual filesize of sparse files? I thoght there was an option for ls or df, but I cannot find it anmore. |
| 11:51.16 | omes | eSa|: mind explaining the probelmo again? :p |
| 11:52.22 | eSa| | yeps. the full story is I have debian etch installed on an amd64 with 2 sata drive 160gb each |
| 11:52.49 | eSa| | the partition layout of the 2 disks identical |
| 11:53.00 | eSa| | both have 4 raid partions |
| 11:53.06 | omes | messju_: ls -l |
| 11:53.06 | messju_ | eSa|: you don't need to reformat to make your ext2 and ext3 fs. just tune2fs |
| 11:53.11 | messju_ | omes: no |
| 11:53.29 | eSa| | the first is a raid1 partiotion ext2 formatted mounted as /boot |
| 11:53.45 | messju_ | omes: I mean the space used on the disk (which can be much smaller than the filesize shown by ls -l) |
| 11:54.09 | eSa| | messju_: you mean I can convert that ext2 partition to ext3? |
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| 11:54.48 | messju_ | eSa|: sure. man 8 tune2fs (look at the -j option) |
| 11:55.11 | eSa| | I'll look into it then |
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| 11:57.02 | omes | messju_: ls will still show the allocated size, wont it? |
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| 12:01.59 | messju_ | omes: mine doesn't |
| 12:03.15 | messju_ | omes: ah, it's ls -s :-) |
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| 12:06.08 | mikel28 | is it possible to setup a direct connection between two modems? :D |
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| 12:07.36 | petemc | mikel28: yes, one can dial the other |
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| 12:08.09 | PumpkinPie | there is probably no dialing process |
| 12:08.24 | petemc | what? |
| 12:08.38 | petemc | using a telephone line, there would have to be |
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| 12:09.09 | PumpkinPie | there is nothing to dial.. they are always connected |
| 12:09.25 | petemc | elaborate |
| 12:09.29 | PumpkinPie | whats the phone number? |
| 12:09.32 | PumpkinPie | there is none |
| 12:09.38 | petemc | wtf are you on about |
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| 12:09.47 | PumpkinPie | oh ok heh |
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| 12:10.09 | cydork | !confuse PumpkinPie |
| 12:10.09 | dpkg | No, what is our snake yesterday, PumpkinPie? shirts of the dictatorship of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 12:10.26 | Vich | what the? |
| 12:10.33 | Doat | lol :D |
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| 12:10.42 | eSa| | I've tried run tune2fs -j /dev/md0 to convert the existing filesystem to ext3 but I get this error: |
| 12:10.42 | eSa| | tune2fs: Could not allocate block in ext2 filesystem while trying to create journal file |
| 12:11.36 | Vich | I'm trying to get my Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG working with wpa_supplicant |
| 12:11.45 | Vich | annoyingly enough, it appears to be working fine |
| 12:11.48 | Vich | but I can |
| 12:11.55 | Vich | *can't ping the router or anything |
| 12:12.00 | mikel28 | so it aint possible to setup a crosslink network between two 56k6 modems? :( |
| 12:12.43 | petemc | mikel28: are the machines physically in the same location? |
| 12:12.48 | eSa| | mikel28: Id'suggest googling on it. PPP should be a way do that |
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| 12:12.58 | eSa| | s/PPP/pppd |
| 12:13.22 | SpeedyG | connecting two 56k6 modems is possible afaik |
| 12:13.45 | SpeedyG | would be the same thing as using a modem to 'call' someone |
| 12:14.03 | SpeedyG | the called modem should 'answer' the phonecall from the other modem |
| 12:14.08 | cydork | first link on google http://www.jagshouse.com/modem.html |
| 12:14.23 | cydork | this is without telephone line |
| 12:14.47 | petemc | whats the point of that? |
| 12:15.02 | yang | wow 568 packages downloaded to upgrade etch... |
| 12:15.07 | bokey | PumpkinPie# hi =) pumpkin0 right ? |
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| 12:15.31 | cydork | i mean direct modem to modem connection |
| 12:16.05 | bokey | PumpkinPie# do you have some experience running info bot ? |
| 12:16.11 | fourat | i've installed matchbox desktop manager, i've installed it and i didnt get the startx binary ! |
| 12:17.17 | blondie | you need to install X |
| 12:17.33 | fourat | blondie, X ? wich package is that ? |
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| 12:18.02 | yang | Does anyone know how to setxkbmap for a VNC server ? I think it uses different settings |
| 12:18.11 | fourat | i ran apt-file search /usr/bin/startx i got only /usr/bin/startxfce4 from xfce4-utils |
| 12:19.41 | blondie | xserver- |
| 12:19.51 | blondie | xorg or xfree86, not sure of the name |
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| 12:20.44 | scanf | either one |
| 12:20.46 | shawn___ | How do I find out how much space the directories in / are using? |
| 12:20.55 | scanf | du |
| 12:20.59 | scanf | man du |
| 12:21.46 | memic | du -sh / |
| 12:22.00 | scanf | depends on what he wants |
| 12:23.33 | earthian | hmm.. wtf?! keyboard is like not working in a firefox form fields |
| 12:23.48 | earthian | will need to refresh the page to work it again wtf? |
| 12:23.49 | earthian | :/ |
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| 12:25.40 | scanf | earthian: wouldn't happen to be related to http://www.5etdemi.com/blog/archives/2005/06/firefox-wmodetransparent-is-completely-screwy-and-breaks-textfields/ |
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| 12:26.12 | earthian | scanf, thanks will read |
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| 12:26.58 | yang | how do you fix locales not to display LC_CTYPE LC_MESSAGES LC_ALL |
| 12:27.17 | earthian | scanf, its about flash, and i was talking not about flash. |
| 12:27.33 | earthian | and the fields in there has the text cursor which does not blink |
| 12:27.46 | scanf | which version? |
| 12:28.15 | earthian | sorry.. it does not blink anywhere... but it is like the field is readonly however it allows to paste with mouse right button menu |
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| 12:28.19 | earthian | latest etch |
| 12:28.25 | earthian | !info firefox etch |
| 12:28.29 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 7799 kB, Installed size: 23716 kB |
| 12:28.35 | earthian | that one ^ |
| 12:29.08 | earthian | and it happens randomly.. i would not be able to tell you how to reproduse the bug or whatever |
| 12:29.08 | earthian | :S |
| 12:29.30 | cydork | earthian: then you broke it :) |
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| 12:30.06 | scanf | earthian: is problem triggered by the javascript "focus()" call |
| 12:30.16 | earthian | no |
| 12:30.20 | earthian | there is no focus() |
| 12:30.36 | earthian | i have made that website myself.. all is 100% valid etc |
| 12:30.54 | earthian | think something might get wrong with my keyboard drivers maybe... |
| 12:31.00 | earthian | i think i will reinstall debian :S |
| 12:31.07 | earthian | too much stuff is fuked |
| 12:31.25 | scanf | do you have autocomplete active? |
| 12:31.32 | earthian | hm.. yes |
| 12:31.37 | earthian | and it saves passwords |
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| 12:32.00 | earthian | i do not know.. it did not happened when i was using ubuntu's firefox |
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| 12:32.24 | scanf | did you try a different font? |
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| 12:33.13 | pfhomer | In Linux 2.4 there was a buffermem parameter that could be set (/proc/sys/vm/buffermem). It is not there in 2.6. What is the replacement? I want to lower the amount of mem used for disk caching |
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| 12:35.31 | earthian | scanf, no |
| 12:35.43 | earthian | nevermind i will reinstall... will go for 32bit tho |
| 12:35.52 | earthian | however everything works.. something is not good.. |
| 12:36.12 | scanf | pfhomer: see http://www.unixshell.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5488&mode=threaded |
| 12:36.15 | earthian | but the way, what is debian charset same as windows' ANSI ??? |
| 12:36.35 | scanf | earthian: y |
| 12:36.47 | scanf | sorry |
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| 12:36.51 | scanf | ISO something |
| 12:36.56 | scanf | holod |
| 12:37.00 | scanf | hold |
| 12:37.15 | earthian | i have locale as utf8 but i need to save it as ANSI for a website |
| 12:37.23 | jelly | earthian: default is unix C locale, which uses ASCII charset |
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| 12:38.10 | earthian | erm |
| 12:38.11 | earthian | hm |
| 12:38.11 | jelly | earthian: it == some html file? |
| 12:38.17 | earthian | yea |
| 12:38.24 | earthian | i need windows-1257 charset |
| 12:38.55 | jelly | earthian: why? You can specify encoding in the file. |
| 12:38.58 | yanmorin | default for html page is ISO-88591-1 |
| 12:39.09 | scanf | earthian: the default vfat mount locale is codepage=437 and iocharset=iso8859-1 |
| 12:39.11 | yanmorin | eur... ISO-8859-1 |
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| 12:39.27 | earthian | yanmorin, will it support baltic letters like Ä…Äęęėėį ? |
| 12:39.27 | earthian | :) |
| 12:39.39 | jelly | earthian: if you don't have a stupidly configured web server which forces some other locales, that should be enough |
| 12:40.21 | pfhomer | scanf so it's actually the second line of "free" output that is important? |
| 12:40.21 | yanmorin | earthian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO8859-1 |
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| 12:41.39 | scanf | pfhomer: sorry, never tried it. |
| 12:41.47 | pfhomer | scanf ok... |
| 12:42.01 | yang | I am getting unresolved dependancies with "aptitude dist-upgrade", what shall i do ? http://paste.debian.net/16604 |
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| 12:43.24 | yanmorin | ISO-8859-10 (Latin6) maybe |
| 12:43.38 | jelly | yang: you can either accept the first solution, or let aptitude dig some more for possibly better ones. |
| 12:44.10 | yanmorin | http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html#ISO-8859-10 |
| 12:44.29 | yang | jelly: if i answer "y" i won't break anything? |
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| 12:45.31 | jelly | yang: it told you exactly what will it do if you press y. Whether installing libnss-mdns and zeroconf will actually break anything, depends on those packages. |
| 12:45.44 | scanf | yang: why do you think that distro is labeled 'unstable'? |
| 12:46.00 | yang | scanf: its "etch" |
| 12:46.12 | scanf | which is testing |
| 12:46.22 | yang | yes, but not unstable=sid |
| 12:46.26 | scanf | even worse |
| 12:46.37 | scanf | your on thecutting edge |
| 12:46.42 | jelly | yang: I have a hunch though, that you should remove dbus-1 first (and let aptitude install dbus instead) |
| 12:46.45 | scanf | things break there all tjhe time |
| 12:46.58 | scanf | that's why it's being "test"ed |
| 12:47.18 | yang | scanf: i think sid is the real experimental distro, not etch |
| 12:47.24 | jelly | scanf: well, things shouldn't break as much as in unstable. |
| 12:47.34 | scanf | heh |
| 12:47.55 | scanf | after the xserver fiasco, I'd agree |
| 12:47.59 | cydork | scanf: and only 166 bugs in etch http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ :) |
| 12:48.12 | scanf | lol |
| 12:48.38 | fireba11 | hm .. etch never broke on me untill now .. i'n only having a basic headless server though |
| 12:48.40 | jelly | scanf: the fiasco will be when people upgrading from sarge to next stable also get their X config borked. |
| 12:49.29 | scanf | That happened to me... but via the Sarge installer |
| 12:49.43 | scanf | had to get all thefontserver stuff myself |
| 12:49.55 | scanf | 'cuz the installer died |
| 12:50.08 | scanf | sarge 2 methinnks |
| 12:50.24 | scanf | and THAT was stable |
| 12:50.37 | scanf | in name, I mean :) |
| 12:50.38 | yanmorin | it's a "stable" bug |
| 12:50.59 | scanf | oh you say now do ya ? |
| 12:51.03 | yanmorin | it bugs everytimes in the same manner |
| 12:51.22 | scanf | no kiddin |
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| 12:52.09 | yang | `I won't update sarge to etch, at least for a month after the new release is out, I am sure there will be issues becouse of the upgrade |
| 12:52.58 | scanf | nice combo that... |
| 12:53.08 | jelly | cydork: wtf? reporting bugs to _delay_ etch release? :-) |
| 12:53.41 | cydork | jelly: shhhh dont tell people :P |
| 12:54.11 | scanf | I HEARD THAT |
| 12:54.19 | jelly | cydork: I'm going to try and upgrade some of my bugs to rc status... ;-) |
| 12:54.35 | scanf | laters |
| 12:54.52 | cydork | jelly: :) |
| 12:56.28 | cyzie | i have wndows perinstalled in my laptop, how do i resize the hdd to 10GB for windows while the rest, 50GB for linux ? |
| 12:57.14 | cydork | cyzie: have a livecd or a new etch beta 3 installer? |
| 12:57.34 | earthian | hm when saving a text document with php/html code i fail to "save as->encoding CP1257->save" it returns "Can't convert codeset to 'CP1257'" |
| 12:57.39 | earthian | why? |
| 12:58.15 | jelly | earthian: which application are you using? |
| 12:58.53 | jelly | cyzie: I did it with gparted livecd |
| 12:58.55 | earthian | mousepad |
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| 13:00.35 | cyzie | cydork, i have downloaded debian netinst yesterday. |
| 13:00.55 | cyzie | jelly, i have ubuntu edgy |
| 13:01.00 | cydork | cyzie: which one? is it etch 3 beta installer? |
| 13:02.28 | jelly | cyzie: edgy livecd could have gparted on it. |
| 13:03.32 | cyzie | cydork, this is the download link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:03.56 | cydork | cyzie: use installgui as a option while booting and it will give a option to resize and all :) |
| 13:04.07 | cyzie | cydork, thanks! |
| 13:04.24 | ramzez | I have trouble to get bugs from apt-listbugs. I get the message "HTTPAccess2::Session::KeepAliveDisconnected". |
| 13:04.25 | cyzie | wooot. installgui |
| 13:04.27 | cyzie | expertgui |
| 13:04.35 | ramzez | do you know how I can solve that ? |
| 13:04.52 | ramzez | or if it's a known bugs ? (can't find any information about it) |
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| 13:06.06 | slimJim | hrm |
| 13:06.33 | cydork | ramzez: huh? apt-listbugs has bugs? check /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:07.32 | ramzez | I've already checked http://bugs.debian.org/apt-listbugs |
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| 13:08.20 | ramzez | I always begin my investigation by http://bugs.debian.org/ cydork ;) |
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| 13:10.51 | jelly | ramzez: have you tried running something like "ruby -d /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs list some-package" ? |
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| 13:10.54 | cyzie | anyone has dell 640m laptop ? it has widescreen which is 1280 x 800. anyone face problem on such a display ? |
| 13:11.50 | jelly | ramzez: also, are you positive that the problem lies with apt-listbugs and not your network/proxy/whatever settings? |
| 13:12.01 | jelly | ramzez: maybe the message is genuine |
| 13:12.10 | slimJim | Guys I have just installed Sarge then upgraded to Sid, I then proceeded to install x-window-system, kde and kdm. They installed fine, I configured X and it worked when I tested it. I then did an upgrade and it installed the latest 2.6 kernel (a good thing as im using a usb mouse) i reboot the box to test the new kernel and it boots up to this: Begin mounting root file system.... Begin running /scripts/local-top.... Done.. Begin waiting for the root fi |
| 13:12.10 | slimJim | le system - it hangs here for a while then syas - check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist dropping to a shell! Busy Box v1.1.3 debian built in command shell (ask) enter help for a list of built in commands. /bin/sh can't access tty job control turned off (initramfs) -- Anyone know how to fix this and for me to get this system to work? |
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| 13:13.19 | jelly | slimJim: sounds like a job for irc.debian.org #debian-boot |
| 13:13.51 | ramzez | don't know if it's network pb, but I have no proxy and I haven't change my network config. I try ruby tip |
| 13:13.59 | slimJim | thanks |
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| 13:29.51 | threat2 | hi |
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| 13:30.13 | threat2 | can I add in acl support wihout having to update kernel? |
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| 13:30.55 | MatBoy | Hi All ! My Mozilla Thunderbird is gone after a dist-upgrade on Etch. Did someone else had this problem also ? |
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| 13:31.59 | blondie | MatBoy: maybe it's called Icedove instead |
| 13:32.33 | MatBoy | blondie, yeah I was expection something like it already but didn't know when this would be changed :) |
| 13:32.36 | threat2 | MatBoy: you should look at the remove list when upgrading |
| 13:32.52 | slimJim | You should look at porn I say. |
| 13:32.52 | threat2 | heh |
| 13:33.05 | threat2 | slimJim: that goes without saying |
| 13:33.07 | MatBoy | threat2, it was not removed, it wanted to upgrade it |
| 13:33.10 | MatBoy | but OK |
| 13:33.18 | threat2 | ok |
| 13:33.28 | threat2 | usually if it isnt there that means it was removed |
| 13:33.30 | slimJim | :p |
| 13:34.06 | MatBoy | Ah solved :) |
| 13:34.12 | MatBoy | Icedove was already installed :D |
| 13:35.17 | MatBoy | I must say, the icons are really better than those of Mozilla ! |
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| 13:39.12 | ramzez | raah ... can't find the problem :/ I run ethereal when upgrading, it seems that apt-listbugs get properly the list of bug, so I think there is no network problem. I don't understand the error message. Do you have an idea jelly ? |
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| 13:40.09 | pithen | Could anybody point me to some good docs regarding the setup of redundant internet connections on Sarge? I must be picking bad search terms or something as my google searches arn't turning up much |
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| 13:41.03 | DavidProck1981 | or how do u setup the xorg / fglrx |
| 13:41.12 | plee | cyzie, intel videocard? |
| 13:41.46 | jelly | ramzez: not really. You should report the bug to bts. |
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| 13:43.05 | blondie | !iceweasel |
| 13:43.05 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 13:43.06 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone ...... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ is there any change in the ISOs there in the last 2~ weeks? |
| 13:43.06 | ramzez | k jelly, thx anyway |
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| 13:44.50 | cyzie | plee, yes |
| 13:44.58 | khaleel5000 | i mean is there a NEWER versiuon of deiban etch released in past 2 ~3 weeks and placed here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:45.04 | cyzie | cydork, im at the partition disks stage. hwo do i actually resize it ? |
| 13:45.15 | plee | cyzie, 945 or somehting like that? |
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| 13:45.26 | cyzie | plee, yes, 945GM , |
| 13:45.45 | plee | cyzie, get the 915resolution package :) |
| 13:46.08 | cyzie | plee, okay. |
| 13:46.17 | cyzie | plee, do u have 640m as well ? |
| 13:46.38 | plee | cyzie, no, got the 420d :) |
| 13:46.55 | cyzie | ok |
| 13:48.03 | threat2 | ok |
| 13:48.04 | plee | cyzie, intel has released the driver for that chipset. but it's still in git form at freedesktop.org.. so it takes a little while before it's properly supported with packages. |
| 13:48.05 | threat2 | so |
| 13:48.16 | threat2 | how can I tell what features have been enabled in a kernel? |
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| 13:48.42 | cyzie | plee, thanks for the info. does the driver meant for 2D or 3D or both ? |
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| 13:49.32 | threat2 | :/ |
| 13:49.43 | plee | cyzie, as i've read the driver should support 3d. as the i810 driver supports that chipset.. but doesn't support the resolution. |
| 13:49.56 | plee | threat2, as in built in or modules? |
| 13:50.08 | cyzie | plee, alright. |
| 13:50.38 | threat2 | plee: both |
| 13:50.47 | threat2 | well I know about /lib/modules |
| 13:51.03 | threat2 | plee: I want to find out if extended acl's have been added in for reiserfs |
| 13:51.13 | plee | cyzie, i'm really looking forward to when the driver gets released... at that point, everything on my laptop is supported :) |
| 13:51.13 | threat2 | I am using 2.6.8 kernel that comes with sarge |
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| 13:51.38 | threat2 | there is an upgrade for that package, but I dont want to install it unless I know it has ACL support |
| 13:51.39 | cyzie | plee, how long do u predict it willl release? |
| 13:52.27 | blondie | !U |
| 13:52.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:52.49 | plee | threat2, i'm not sure about what's built in.. and i'm not quite sure how to check it... |
| 13:52.57 | plee | cyzie, not sure.. |
| 13:53.27 | cyzie | plee, if intel release that driver, do u still need package 915 ? |
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| 13:53.59 | freespace | !wud |
| 13:54.00 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 13:54.20 | plee | cyzie, no, when the driver is ready that should be it.. :) |
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| 13:54.46 | plee | cyzie, it will be like the nvidia driver :) |
| 13:55.02 | cyzie | i see i see |
| 13:55.04 | threat2 | any one here awake that can answer my question? |
| 13:55.07 | cyzie | then im waiting for the xgl |
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| 13:55.17 | eps | I still cannot get compiz to load the window boarders for programs, I'm also having some other minor problems with it |
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| 13:55.43 | cyzie | cydork, jelly when i resize, it has error reading inode xxxx |
| 13:55.59 | eps | I'm now using the debian supplied drivers (9625) and I'm running compiz gconf --replace from the run dialog under gnome |
| 13:56.18 | threat2 | grrr, I am off to bed |
| 13:56.23 | threat2 | I will deal with this tomorrow |
| 13:56.42 | eps | night |
| 13:56.46 | plee | threat2, i will research it.. and come back to you when i know more :) |
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| 14:02.12 | jelly | cyzie: doesn't sound good, I'd do chkdsk in windows. |
| 14:03.49 | cyzie | jelly, why would u do chkdsk in widnows? i want to resize my windows from 50GB to 10GB |
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| 14:05.56 | threw | hi all ! |
| 14:06.05 | blondie | splat |
| 14:06.10 | blondie | hello through |
| 14:06.16 | jelly | cyzie: because you get an error resizing windows partition? |
| 14:06.37 | threw | could anyone on debian unstable could make an "apt-get update" in order to know if his MD5 sum is valid please ? |
| 14:06.45 | cyzie | jelly, i dont understand why is chkdsk conneted to the error in resizing windows partition |
| 14:07.09 | threw | oops not unstable but in testing, sry :) |
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| 14:07.26 | jelly | cyzie: you get an error while messing with windows partition -> run chkdsk to fix the filesystem -> try resizing again |
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| 14:07.43 | cyzie | jelly, ok, |
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| 14:08.03 | cyzie | jelly, by the way, im using gparted in edgy |
| 14:08.24 | blondie | cyzie: this is a debian channel, not ubuntu |
| 14:08.25 | jelly | cyzie: I'd use gparted's livecd with newest gparted. |
| 14:08.49 | threw | anyone could try please ? |
| 14:09.01 | knoxy | in reload of my sound board (with alsa) the system says "ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:11.5[C] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 185" ... is all right? |
| 14:09.10 | cyzie | blondie, i knew that. i was asking question that jelly has answer for live cd |
| 14:09.19 | cyzie | jelly, thanks |
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| 14:09.21 | jelly | cyzie: (and presumably newest gparted also comes with newest ntfsprogs which do the ntfs stuff) |
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| 14:09.33 | cyzie | jelly , i see |
| 14:09.51 | jelly | but ntfsresize is pretty stable. |
| 14:10.06 | jelly | cyzie: you didn't have vista installed, right? |
| 14:10.28 | cyzie | jelly, no, that model is preinstalled with windows xp home edition |
| 14:10.41 | cyzie | jelly, i would like to have dual boot :) |
| 14:10.41 | jelly | cyzie: that should work. |
| 14:11.04 | cyzie | ok, thansk for the advice, doing chkdsk now |
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| 14:11.21 | plee | threw, you want a feature in apt-get that does md5sum checking? |
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| 14:11.54 | cyzie | jelly, this might not be related but would appreciate very much if u can explain the error i ecounter. what is the meaning of error in inode |
| 14:12.02 | jelly | cyzie: if the error happens again, try asking in #ntfs (you can see in gparted the actual command used for resizing) |
| 14:12.11 | pif | does hylafax include a good print-to-fax solution for windows clients? |
| 14:12.27 | cyzie | jelly, i dont use any command line. only GUI in gparted |
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| 14:12.57 | jelly | cyzie: gparted invokes ntfsresize to do the actual job, gparted is mostly a gui wrapper. |
| 14:12.59 | cyzie | jelly, when gparted resize, u can see the command by click details |
| 14:13.00 | PepperBob | hey all! |
| 14:13.13 | SmallR2003 | morning guys, hullo jelly |
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| 14:13.54 | PepperBob | has anyone links / documentation for building an image of my currently running system to have a fast-restore-possibility? |
| 14:14.02 | jelly | cyzie: yes. try asking in #ntfs, explain what you were doing, and mention the actual ntfsresize command line and the error you got. |
| 14:14.03 | SmallR2003 | i'm still stalling at the first jump when it comes to this multipathed tunnelling |
| 14:14.22 | cyzie | jelly, alright. fire away |
| 14:14.42 | jelly | SmallR2003: hi person whom I don't remember! |
| 14:15.04 | jelly | ;-) |
| 14:15.16 | SmallR2003 | jelly, if you're the same person as jelly-home then you said about three words to me yesterday :P |
| 14:15.51 | jelly | SmallR2003: "I love you"? :-) |
| 14:15.56 | plee | lol |
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| 14:16.03 | SmallR2003 | he he |
| 14:16.10 | cyzie | hehe |
| 14:16.23 | jelly | SmallR2003: I don't remember the stuff I do at home. ;-) |
| 14:16.50 | SmallR2003 | i'll love anyone who helps me get this clever idea of mine working |
| 14:16.52 | plee | jelly, that should change.. i try to forget what i do at work.. hehe |
| 14:17.10 | SmallR2003 | i generally can't remember what i've done anywhere |
| 14:17.34 | plee | :) |
| 14:17.36 | cyzie | brb |
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| 14:18.08 | jelly | plee: I spend more time at work than at home. :-( |
| 14:18.43 | plee | jelly, me too.. that's why i try to forget it.. |
| 14:18.50 | cydork | plee: which he spends on irc :) |
| 14:18.56 | plee | hehe |
| 14:19.19 | jelly | Better than watching raid rebuilding! |
| 14:19.34 | cydork | jelly: agreed :P |
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| 14:24.20 | threw | <plee>: lol, no i just would that someone in testing try to do a apt-get update in order tyo know if all is all right :) |
| 14:24.48 | plee | oh.. ok |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | jelly: you work? |
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| 14:28.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:28.02 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:29.21 | SmallR2003 | !popcorn |
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| 14:29.38 | SmallR2003 | why did orafu get it :( |
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| 14:32.33 | jelly | !popcorn SmallR2003 |
| 14:32.45 | jelly | !test |
| 14:32.46 | dpkg | Sorry, jelly, I didn't get your test. |
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| 14:33.33 | sussudio | !lose jelly |
| 14:33.33 | dpkg | jelly: You Lose. |
| 14:34.50 | jelly | Now that makes me sad like a sad panda. Or maybe like a sad girl, in the snow. |
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| 14:35.44 | bokey | abrotman# hi =) |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | hi |
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| 14:36.15 | bokey | abrotman# hey I need driver for microsoft usb cam. did googling for a while. couldn't find any =( |
| 14:36.23 | abrotman | nfc |
| 14:36.26 | Coke | Hello. I have two network cards, one is to the internet (which obviously works) and one is to a local network. When I try to ping 192.168.1.2 (which is in the local network) via my eth1 (192.168.1.1) I get "From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable". How do I fix this? |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | webcams are for girls :) |
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| 14:36.40 | bokey | abrotman# =) |
| 14:36.47 | blondie | maybe bokey is a girl |
| 14:36.54 | abrotman | maybe .. but i'm not :) |
| 14:37.02 | bokey | blondie# i am not. |
| 14:37.03 | blondie | no? |
| 14:37.18 | abrotman | bokey: if you plug it in .. does lsusb see it ? |
| 14:37.28 | bokey | abrotman# yes. it does |
| 14:37.37 | bokey | blondie# =). i am a bloke =) |
| 14:37.44 | blondie | :S |
| 14:37.59 | jelly | bokey: crossdress and then we'll talk! |
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| 14:38.39 | bokey | blondie# u in Perl as well. no ? |
| 14:38.49 | abrotman | bokey: update-usbids |
| 14:39.03 | hap | anyone has a link for configuring pptp to connect to relakks, i can't make it and i can't install pptpconfig (server no GTK, amd64) |
| 14:39.16 | blondie | bokey: there's no u in perl, no |
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| 14:39.19 | hap | and i can't make it by myself, strange |
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| 14:39.33 | bokey | blondie# =) |
| 14:39.49 | bokey | abrotman# yeah fetched it. xawtv still doesn't work. =( |
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| 14:40.23 | bokey | abrotman# to be precise i still don't have /dev/video0 =( |
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| 14:41.53 | akruth | hi |
| 14:41.54 | Coke | Why is a destination host unreachable? What am I missing from my /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 14:42.01 | Coke | It's for a LAN. |
| 14:42.17 | bokey | Coke# firewall ? |
| 14:43.15 | Coke | bokey: nope |
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| 14:43.15 | Coke | I've put iptables to have all polcies ACCEPT |
| 14:43.32 | akruth | I got a problem with vpnc 0.3.3 on ubuntu, everytime I reconnect I don't get connected, can't ping |
| 14:43.33 | franki | hello, i would like to copy a dvd, which tool can do this under debian |
| 14:44.02 | cydork | akruth: and you are asking here coz? |
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| 14:44.41 | akruth | i found a question about vpnc in a log of this channel :) |
| 14:44.54 | franki | Rhonda but i do not want to rip, i just want to copy it as it is |
| 14:45.16 | cydork | akruth: please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 14:45.37 | akruth | ok, thx |
| 14:45.41 | akruth | bye |
| 14:45.46 | franki | Rhonda and what should be searched? why ? i do know apt-cache |
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| 14:46.22 | franki | Rhonda or was my question to compilicated for you? |
| 14:46.46 | SpeedyG | franki: where do you see a rhonda ? |
| 14:46.53 | cydork | franki: stop talking to ghosts? :P |
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| 14:47.09 | franki | SpeedyG ohh, is it a bot? |
| 14:47.13 | cydork | franki: gnomebaker can do that.. |
| 14:47.44 | franki | cydork if you are not a bot ;) is there also a tool which does not need gnome or kde |
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| 14:48.41 | abrotman | bokey: i honestly don't know anything about webcams .. my ex-girlfriend's sisters had one attached to their 486 |
| 14:49.17 | markybob | cat /proc/asound/version shows 1.0.12rc1, but dpkg -l alsa-base shows 1.0.13-1 and dpkg -l linux-sound-base shows 1.0.13-1 as well. where's the 1.0.12rc1 coming from? |
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| 14:51.36 | cydork | franki: lxdvdrip ? |
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| 14:52.07 | franki | cydork does it copy dvd's ? |
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| 14:52.42 | cydork | franki: It automates the process of Ripping, Authoring, Preview and Burning of a DVD |
| 14:52.57 | franki | cydork but no copying |
| 14:53.28 | abrotman | markybob: anythong on your box resemble that version ? "dpkg -l | grep 12rc1" |
| 14:53.57 | markybob | abrotman, no. nothing. it's really driving me nuts :) |
| 14:54.05 | abrotman | arrggh ? |
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| 14:55.02 | abrotman | noone got the joke :( |
| 14:55.14 | markybob | abrotman, ;) sorry man |
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| 14:55.56 | abrotman | markybob: it's possible the version of asound doesn't have to match ? |
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| 14:56.51 | markybob | abrotman, i dont know. i dont know much about alsa. i do know that 1.0.13 has a bug fix that i need, and i have all 1.0.13 packages installed but proc keeps telling me i dont and the bug isnt fixed on my system. |
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| 14:57.15 | markybob | abrotman, guess i'll file a bug report :) |
| 14:57.44 | abrotman | markybob: have you asked #alsa ? |
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| 14:58.26 | rambo3 | !info php4-pear |
| 14:58.33 | dpkg | php4-pear: (PHP Extension and Application Repository (transitional package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 4 kB |
| 14:58.55 | gothenburg | :o |
| 14:58.56 | zskdan | hi everybody !! |
| 14:58.59 | rambo3 | !info php5-pear |
| 14:59.02 | bokey | geez =) |
| 14:59.05 | markybob | abrotman, i'm afraid to admit that i havent. may the lynching begin ;) on my way there now (just didnt cross my mind somehow). thanks |
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| 14:59.15 | bokey | so anyone know how to do this ms webcam thingy ? |
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| 14:59.57 | zskdan | plz i'need someone help!! i can't change my password in my debian machine !! |
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| 15:00.21 | bokey | zskdan# ? |
| 15:00.46 | zskdan | root@Server:[~]# passwd |
| 15:00.47 | zskdan | passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 15:00.47 | zskdan | passwd: password unchanged |
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| 15:01.44 | zskdan | 8-( |
| 15:01.49 | bokey | zskdan# how about trying it again ? %passwd zskdan |
| 15:02.16 | bokey | zskdan# u have root access ? |
| 15:02.51 | cydork | markybob: version.h:#define CONFIG_SND_VERSION "1.0.11rc4" |
| 15:02.59 | zskdan | zskdan@Server:[~]$ passwd zskdan |
| 15:02.59 | cydork | markybob: kernel headers :P |
| 15:02.59 | zskdan | passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 15:02.59 | zskdan | passwd: password unchange |
| 15:03.15 | zskdan | yeaah i have a root accecss |
| 15:03.52 | bokey | zskdan# log in as root and try %passwd zskdan |
| 15:04.21 | markybob | cydork, arg! thanks :) |
| 15:04.41 | zskdan | root@Server:[~]# passwd zskdan |
| 15:04.42 | zskdan | passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 15:04.43 | zskdan | passwd: password unchanged |
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| 15:05.32 | zskdan | bokey ??!!! |
| 15:06.33 | blondie | zskdan: doesn't it ask you to enter a new one? |
| 15:07.15 | zskdan | blondie : noooo it just say "Authentication information cannot be recovered" |
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| 15:07.43 | blondie | zskdan: for any user or just that one? |
| 15:07.50 | Coke | Hello. Can someone point me to a tutorial on how to get two ethernet cards working in Debian. One is Internet and the other is a 192.168-LAN. |
| 15:07.52 | bokey | blondie# i am assuming PAM. PAM_AUTHTOK_RECOVERY_ERR |
| 15:07.52 | bokey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.01 | zskdan | blondie: for all user !!! |
| 15:08.12 | Coke | I can use the Internet card, but the LAN ping keeps telling me destination host is unreachable. |
| 15:08.58 | Coke | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 15:09.00 | quitte | abrotman: just read it. and idgi |
| 15:09.07 | Coke | That's bullshit, I don't want 192.168.0.0 to use the default gateway. |
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| 15:09.41 | Coke | CAN'T figure out how to make Debian do something as simple as routing all 192.168 packages to 192.168.0.1 eth1 |
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| 15:10.11 | rambo3 | forward all |
| 15:10.27 | bokey | zskdan# check this out. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/FAQ |
| 15:10.31 | bokey | zskdan# could be PAM. |
| 15:10.39 | Coke | How do I remove that default gw for 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 15:10.52 | bokey | zskdan# PAM_AUTHTOK_RECOVERY_ERR |
| 15:10.52 | bokey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.53 | zskdan | bokey : ok |
| 15:10.59 | rambo3 | iptables -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 15:11.04 | chrstianwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.05 | chrstianwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.06 | chrstianwolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:11.40 | blondie | retard |
| 15:11.52 | SnowVictim | more than that |
| 15:12.02 | chrstianwolf | me? |
| 15:12.22 | blondie | no, me |
| 15:12.27 | chrstianwolf | okay |
| 15:12.37 | bokey | blondie# the error is exactly shown by PAM. you think this could be zskdan's problem ? |
| 15:12.37 | chrstianwolf | thats right |
| 15:12.40 | rambo3 | whats with join flood |
| 15:12.47 | blondie | bokey: dunno, maybe |
| 15:12.49 | bokey | s/PAM/PAM_AUTHTOK_RECOVERY_ERR |
| 15:12.50 | Ronin | rambo3: another day in #debian |
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| 15:13.21 | Ronin | rambo3: set your client to /ignore joins parts etc if you dont want to see it |
| 15:13.27 | bokey | zskdan# also => http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/cgi-bin/man?pam_chauthtok+3PAM |
| 15:13.33 | h3sp4wn | Coke: use route del |
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| 15:14.09 | blondie | :o |
| 15:14.26 | Coke | h3sp4wn: "no such process" |
| 15:14.56 | Coke | h3sp4wn: if it wasn't for the fact that I've done this before I'd swear Debian wasn't capable of supporting to networks. |
| 15:15.01 | h3sp4wn | Coke: ? ``route del'' (man route gives you the syntax) |
| 15:15.11 | Coke | h3sp4wn: it still says "no such process" |
| 15:15.27 | Coke | 192.168.0.0 home 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 15:15.27 | Coke | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 15:15.27 | Coke | 213.238.214.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:15.27 | Coke | default 213.238.214.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 15:15.41 | Coke | well well. |
| 15:15.51 | chrstianwolf | well |
| 15:15.53 | bokey | geez... use a pastebin =) |
| 15:16.08 | bokey | !paste |
| 15:16.09 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:16.15 | zskdan | bokey , blondie : what mean :"Authentication information cannot be recovered." ?? |
| 15:16.19 | Coke | Yeah, but still. Why do I have two destinations to different gateways? |
| 15:16.31 | h3sp4wn | Coke: Why do you have 2 default gateways ? |
| 15:16.32 | Coke | Why is 192.168.0.0 gateway * ? |
| 15:16.39 | rambo3 | Coke would this be wallid : iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp -s 192.168.0.0/24 -J DNAT --to-dest 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:16.39 | Xnerd | Hi, x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg.reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
| 15:17.00 | Coke | rambo3: the iptable will come later, first I need to get both networks working |
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| 15:17.10 | Coke | 213.238.214.1 is internet, 192.168.0.1 (home) is LAN |
| 15:17.18 | Coke | I can't reach the LAN network for some reason. |
| 15:17.31 | Coke | I suspect because it wants to use the default gateway. |
| 15:17.35 | cydork | zskdan: do you have /lib/security/pam_unix.so ? |
| 15:17.44 | bokey | zskdan# http://docs.hp.com/en/T1417-90006/ch04s01.html |
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| 15:18.02 | Coke | h3sp4wn: I do have two gateways. |
| 15:18.10 | Coke | h3sp4wn: one for the LAN and one for my ISP router |
| 15:18.17 | zskdan | cydork : of course !! |
| 15:18.42 | plee | Coke, is it going to be a firewall? |
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| 15:19.24 | zskdan | bokey : http://docs.hp.com/en/T1417-90006/ch04s01.html --> is dead link "Document missing or moved" |
| 15:19.29 | bokey | Coke# if you have 2 gateways, which path will your individual packet take ? or am I missing something ? |
| 15:19.56 | bokey | |
| 15:19.56 | bokey | Authentication failure |
| 15:19.56 | bokey | |
| 15:19.56 | bokey | User's password may be wrong, OR the host machine identity is not present, OR the credential cache may not be writable. |
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| 15:20.19 | Coke | plee: later on, yes. |
| 15:20.19 | Coke | bokey: ALL 192.168 _should_ go to the 192.168.0.1 card |
| 15:20.19 | Coke | all other traffic should go to the 213.238.214.1 gw |
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| 15:21.04 | Coke | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4481 |
| 15:21.08 | bokey | |
| 15:21.09 | bokey | Authentication failure |
| 15:21.09 | bokey | |
| 15:21.09 | bokey | User's password may be wrong, OR the host machine identity is not present, OR the credential cache may not be writable. |
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| 15:21.09 | Coke | There's my interfaces file and route |
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| 15:21.18 | Xnerd | Hi, x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg.reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
| 15:21.38 | earthian | Coke, you need to set up a network? use DHCP server and assign all IP addresses to all network nodes: i.e. 192.168.0.x to your LAN and make sure your DHCP server is the gateway, another subnet for your internet router i.e. 10.0.0.x where your DHCP server is the gateway, do not use gateways in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:21.44 | rambo3 | Coke i dont think its going to work like that |
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| 15:22.08 | Coke | earthian: NO dhcp |
| 15:22.11 | Coke | my problem isn't DHCP. |
| 15:22.14 | Coke | the IP's are already set. |
| 15:22.18 | cyzie | during install debian using GUI, i have pressed ctrl + alt + f2, how do i get back to the GUI ? |
| 15:22.25 | earthian | what are your ISP name servers? |
| 15:22.29 | Coke | rambo3: that is how it's suposed to work |
| 15:22.32 | Coke | earthian: doesn't matter |
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| 15:22.38 | earthian | kk |
| 15:22.38 | Coke | my Internet card and connection works fine. |
| 15:22.43 | Coke | I just can't ping to my LAN |
| 15:22.44 | blondie | cyzie: alt-F5 or F6 iirc |
| 15:22.46 | Coke | the _LAN_ is the problem |
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| 15:23.03 | earthian | tried ipmasq which will generate routes automatically? |
| 15:23.06 | mikel28 | microsoft has taken over firefox :| http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html |
| 15:23.06 | mikel28 | microsoft has taken over firefox :| http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html |
| 15:23.33 | cyzie | blondie, thanks, alt + f5 |
| 15:23.35 | cyzie | brb |
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| 15:23.50 | blondie | mikel28: stop that... it's a spoof anyway. |
| 15:23.54 | rambo3 | old news has taken over debian , old new .... |
| 15:24.32 | mikel28 | blondie: relax bro :') |
| 15:24.34 | earthian | holly crap mikel28 :( |
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| 15:25.15 | plee | Coke, well, since you have set a gateway for the eth0 card, it assumes that is the route to go. You have to use nat to get the traffic onto the lan |
| 15:26.03 | h3sp4wn | Coke: route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.4 dev br0 (that is the syntax for route) |
| 15:26.07 | Coke | plee: that doesn't sound right. there's no translation going on. |
| 15:26.17 | Coke | h3sp4wn: I added it. |
| 15:26.25 | Coke | route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth1 |
| 15:26.34 | Coke | resulted in 192.168.0.0 home 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 15:27.02 | h3sp4wn | Coke: route del the * one |
| 15:27.04 | Coke | a traceroute revealse that it hops to 192.160.0.1 (which is the LAN eth1 card) |
| 15:27.08 | Coke | h3sp4wn: can't |
| 15:27.16 | Coke | h3sp4wn: no matter what syntax I use I can't get rid of it· |
| 15:27.27 | memic | asd |
| 15:27.31 | earthian | yo ubanstard.. i was nearly believing that :/ |
| 15:27.33 | Coke | h3sp4wn: besides the new route is before the default. |
| 15:27.45 | raidman | I have a sound skip problem (and crach in some apps like totem) this is my soun card and installed mods http://pastebin.ca/248326, I googled this but i didn't find usefule link, I try to rebuield alsa from scratch but I got nothin, If you can point me to right direction, please |
| 15:27.49 | Coke | h3sp4wn: and traceroute reveals it hops to 192.168.0.1 which is the gw for that network. |
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| 15:28.09 | memic | every switch to irc.paniert.org, icq.brauchma.net will be dropped soon. |
| 15:28.10 | h3sp4wn | Coke: and you have forwarding enabled in sysctl.conf ? |
| 15:28.21 | mikel28 | earthian: it would be too good to be true (for them) |
| 15:28.30 | earthian | yep |
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| 15:28.52 | earthian | and i would degrade my OS to the DOS 1.0 which was made by those who sold it to M$ |
| 15:28.53 | earthian | :p |
| 15:28.56 | Coke | h3sp4wn: I need forwarding for this? :) |
| 15:29.01 | earthian | would not trust anybody :/ |
| 15:29.05 | Xnerd | Guys I know it a common thing, very basic, but i've searched for solutions and none works, could you give me a hand, please? x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg.reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
| 15:29.14 | mikel28 | earthian: lOL 5 MB of storage (5 x 10-3 GB = 5,000,000 bytes) |
| 15:29.18 | Coke | h3sp4wn: now I've set them to 1. I didn't even know there was such a file. |
| 15:29.19 | plee | Coke, that's what i said :) |
| 15:29.37 | Coke | plee: forwarding isn't NAT |
| 15:29.39 | plee | or... nat it |
| 15:29.40 | plee | hehe |
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| 15:29.48 | Coke | Actualy, that didn't help. |
| 15:29.58 | Coke | Forwarding has nothing to do with what I want to do. |
| 15:30.12 | earthian | mikel28, its nearly like my current storage :o i have 500 GB :S |
| 15:30.12 | Mportnoy | hello, anyone has a good howto for openvpn Debian 3.1 ? |
| 15:30.13 | Coke | It's not complex. It's easy. One does this in 1 minute normally. |
| 15:30.15 | h3sp4wn | You ran it manually ? otherwise its not read toll a reboot |
| 15:30.27 | earthian | at least there are the same numbers... i.e. five and zeroes :D |
| 15:30.41 | Coke | I just want my computer to get Internet via eth0 and LAN via eth1. I shouldn't need any IP mangling at all. |
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| 15:31.02 | Coke | it should understand that 192.168.0.1 is the gw for all 192.168 network packets and 213.238.214.1 is the gw for all other. |
| 15:31.08 | Coke | it's a routing issue. |
| 15:31.19 | Coke | it's just unfortunate that no network gurus are here at the moment. |
| 15:31.25 | blondie | it's not a gateway |
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| 15:32.11 | stew | Coke: can you put the output of "route -n" into a pastebin? |
| 15:32.15 | Xnerd | Coke: have u tried asking on #iptables? |
| 15:32.15 | blondie | yeah that |
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| 15:32.53 | Coke | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4482 |
| 15:33.05 | Coke | Xnerd: why should I? it has nothing to do with iptables |
| 15:33.08 | stew | oh wait, is iptables involved at all? |
| 15:33.11 | stew | ok |
| 15:33.12 | Coke | NO |
| 15:33.14 | stew | didn't think so |
| 15:33.15 | Coke | NO IPTABLES DAMN IT |
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| 15:33.26 | Coke | :) |
| 15:33.40 | blondie | Coke: your bottom line shouldn't be like that |
| 15:33.54 | Coke | Indeed not. |
| 15:33.59 | Coke | How do I fix it? |
| 15:34.06 | sussudio | !fix Coke |
| 15:34.12 | plee | hehe |
| 15:34.23 | stew | Coke: exactly which ip address are you having trouble pinging? |
| 15:34.29 | Coke | all 192.168 |
| 15:34.35 | stew | Coke: exactly which ip address are you having trouble pinging? |
| 15:34.48 | raidman | btw, I try out this for rebuielding that ... modprobe -l|awk /snd-/|xargs rm -f ; m-a a-i alsa ; update-rc.d -f alsa-utils defaults |
| 15:34.55 | Coke | 192.166.0.2 as an example |
| 15:35.00 | Coke | 192.168.0.2 |
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| 15:35.09 | gryhild | Siemka |
| 15:35.11 | Coke | I can use Internet since I'm chatting here. |
| 15:35.18 | Coke | it's the LAN routing that is bad |
| 15:35.20 | abrotman | quitte: ? |
| 15:35.21 | gryhild | hi |
| 15:35.34 | Coke | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4481 |
| 15:35.39 | Coke | stew: that includes my network interfaces |
| 15:35.42 | Xnerd | Hi, x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
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| 15:36.13 | stew | Coke: that all looks correct to me |
| 15:36.19 | blondie | it doesn't look correct to me. |
| 15:36.21 | quitte | arcanine: sorry. had my scrollbuffer moved up. it was about that pirate joke 15 minutes earlier. and i still dont get it. |
| 15:36.25 | quitte | abrotman: ^ |
| 15:36.33 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 15:36.44 | blondie | Coke: route del default gw 213.238.214.1 |
| 15:36.46 | blondie | I think |
| 15:36.50 | stew | blondie: why? |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | quitte: google "pirate drivin nuts wheel" |
| 15:36.58 | cydork | blondie: huh? |
| 15:37.00 | Coke | blondie: how should I communicate with my eth0 card then? |
| 15:37.02 | quitte | abrotman: i did. and idgi |
| 15:37.04 | blondie | stew: the bottom line is wrong... it's using the internet IP for all traffic |
| 15:37.15 | abrotman | quitte: and you still don't get it ? |
| 15:37.16 | Coke | blondie: yes, I want to use it for ALL traffic EXCEPT 192.168 |
| 15:37.20 | blondie | yes |
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| 15:37.29 | Coke | if I remove it I will have no gw at all |
| 15:37.29 | stew | blondie: no, its using the internet ip for all traffic not on 192.168.0.* |
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| 15:37.39 | joh1 | hi |
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| 15:37.45 | stew | Coke: does the 192.168.0.2 machine have the same netmask 255.255.255.0? |
| 15:37.46 | blondie | stew: nah |
| 15:37.47 | solemnwarning | Can I put module options in /etc/modules? |
| 15:37.48 | Coke | the problem is only the 192.168 network |
| 15:37.50 | stew | blondie: yeah |
| 15:37.53 | quitte | abrotman: yes. well maybe i do and its just too stupid |
| 15:37.55 | blondie | nah |
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| 15:38.06 | deego | hi, what is that apt-gettable package that emails you if upgrades are available? |
| 15:38.11 | deego | tiger? |
| 15:38.16 | Coke | stew: yep. but that doesn't matter, I get "destination host unreachable" so my ping isn't even getting out of my computer |
| 15:38.21 | joh1 | how to compile mod_security with apache |
| 15:38.25 | mikel28 | ide: Assuming 50MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 15:38.32 | mikel28 | im on a 33mhz 486, is this correct? |
| 15:38.33 | blondie | Coke: did you try the line I provided? |
| 15:38.42 | Coke | stew: the problem isn't that the other computer isn't responding, the problem is that my 192.168 network seems unreachable altogether. |
| 15:38.47 | Coke | blondie: that will remove my internet connection. |
| 15:39.07 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 15:39.07 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 15:39.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:39.07 | h3sp4wn | Coke: Did you actually run the sysctl command ? or just unhash it ? |
| 15:39.07 | abrotman | quitte: sounds more likely |
| 15:39.11 | abrotman | solemnwarning: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 15:39.31 | stew | h3sp4wn: he doesn't need to do ip forwarding |
| 15:39.59 | blondie | Coke: did this ever work? |
| 15:40.04 | solemnwarning | What should I put in modprobe.d? |
| 15:40.11 | Coke | blondie: a few years back this is how I built my router |
| 15:40.16 | stew | Coke: make sure that "iptables -L -n" shows empty tables and ACCEPT policies |
| 15:40.23 | stew | Coke: and how about the output of "ifconfig"? |
| 15:40.28 | Coke | accept on all policies |
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| 15:40.49 | Coke | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4483 |
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| 15:40.53 | blondie | and when did it break then? |
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| 15:41.05 | Coke | blondie: it didn't. that machine is still running where ever it is |
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| 15:41.16 | stew | Coke: for future reference, its probably better to NOT include either "network" or "broadcast" in your interfaces file, yours are correct, but you could just omit them since you are using the defaults |
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| 15:41.20 | blondie | Coke: so you mean "no" then? |
| 15:41.34 | Coke | and yes, even Windows and Linux 2.2 could handle two network intefaces so I pressume Linux 2.6 can too |
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| 15:41.40 | blondie | of course it can |
| 15:41.48 | Coke | so how do I set it up? |
| 15:41.54 | stew | Coke: i'd guess it would be layer 1 or layer 2, not layer 3 |
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| 15:41.59 | stew | Coke: like, check the cabling |
| 15:41.59 | blondie | have you run any "route add" commands? |
| 15:42.01 | h3sp4wn | If he has another network behind there (implied by the fact he says all packets for 192.168 not just 192.168.0.0/24) I think it needs ip forwarding |
| 15:42.17 | stew | h3sp4wn: no |
| 15:42.17 | Coke | stew: do you think cables could result in "destination host unreachable" ? |
| 15:42.25 | stew | Coke: yes, when the arp fails |
| 15:42.28 | cydork | Coke: yep |
| 15:42.35 | Coke | hmm. interresting. |
| 15:42.40 | Coke | checking cables then. |
| 15:42.56 | blondie | oh |
| 15:43.02 | blondie | can the other machines on the LAN ping you? |
| 15:43.06 | stew | Coke: the machine decides it should be able to send directly since its the same layer 2 network, so it makes an arp request to find the mac address, gets no response, so it cant send |
| 15:43.22 | raidman | I hav a etch on my box, and this is my sound cart and installed mods http://pastebin.ca/248326, totem crashed in an attemt to paly a sound and BMP has sound skip, please get me a pointer ... |
| 15:43.41 | Xnerd | Hi, x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
| 15:44.26 | lindenle | Hey all I am pretty sure I have a rootkit because i found a directory d------rw- /2006/10.DAT and I have no idea how it got there. I reinstalled the rkhunter and chkrootkit packages after locking down the machine and changing some passwords. But it does not find anything...is there any chance it was just a compromised user account and root password? |
| 15:44.35 | Coke | stew: I don't think the cable is the problem. |
| 15:44.44 | Coke | stew: HUB lights are blinking |
| 15:44.53 | quitte | i can't get egl working. eglinfo gives me a Warning: Could not open r200_dri.so (r200_dri.so: undefined symbol _glapi_Dispatch_) any ideas? |
| 15:44.58 | h3sp4wn | stew: How does that work if he wants to ping something on 192.168.1.0 ? there is no arp then ? use proxy_arp ? |
| 15:45.00 | blondie | lindenle: if you think there's a rootkit, you should rebuild |
| 15:45.19 | lindenle | blondie: remote server makes it a bit difficult |
| 15:45.29 | Coke | stew: my friends ibook says "no route to host" |
| 15:45.44 | Coke | stew: and I get "destination host unreachable" when I try to ping 192.168.0.2 |
| 15:45.50 | stew | Coke: what does "arp 192.168.0.2" say? |
| 15:46.09 | Coke | stew: 192.168.0.2 (incomplete) eth1 |
| 15:46.13 | stew | Coke: actually i know its going to say no entry |
| 15:46.31 | stew | Coke: since your ifconfig said that you've received no packets on that if |
| 15:46.47 | Coke | stew: only TX on eth1 |
| 15:46.49 | stew | Coke: so its sending arp requests and getting no responses |
| 15:47.05 | Coke | stew: how do I know that it's sending the packets on eth1 ? |
| 15:47.15 | lindenle | blondie: I guess im not pretty sure...im not relly sure what the heck is going on |
| 15:47.42 | stew | Coke: you could tcpdump it |
| 15:47.53 | Coke | stew: sounds encumbering |
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| 15:48.29 | Coke | stew: if we forget the eth0 internet card, how do I simply setup my eth1 to communicate using 192.168.0.1 as IP? |
| 15:48.45 | Coke | stew: I just want it to speak to the other computer |
| 15:48.47 | stew | Coke: you are already correctly setup to do so in layer 2 |
| 15:48.49 | stew | err layer 3 |
| 15:48.55 | stew | Coke: you would change nothing |
| 15:48.58 | Coke | layer 3 is.. cables? |
| 15:49.13 | Xnerd | Hi, x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
| 15:49.14 | stew | Coke: layer 1 is cables, layer 2 is ethernet, layer 3 is ip |
| 15:49.23 | gcbirzan | Actually, not exactly. :-) |
| 15:49.37 | stew | close enough for this conversation |
| 15:49.43 | Coke | stew: ok. |
| 15:50.01 | cydork | Coke: did you try changing the port on the switch/hub? |
| 15:50.02 | Coke | stew: so, it seems, when I ping the eth1 LED isn't blinking. no reaction, as if my OS didn't even understand eth1 is to be used |
| 15:50.13 | Coke | cydork: I'm now connected directly to my friends ibook |
| 15:50.22 | Coke | it detects cross/non-cross wiring so it should just work. |
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| 15:50.31 | stew | Coke: how long is the cable? |
| 15:50.42 | Coke | But again, that doesn't seem to be the problem. I get no reaction from my eth1 LED |
| 15:50.47 | Coke | 5m |
| 15:50.47 | joh1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.12 | rgsteele | Hey guys, I've got an apt-pinning question |
| 15:51.14 | rgsteele | http://pastebin.ca/248350 |
| 15:51.20 | Coke | again, again, again... I don't think the ping understands it should use eth1. I get no reaction on the network card LED when doing a flood ping. |
| 15:51.25 | DavidProck1981 | hay i dont see any names on the room list |
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| 15:51.33 | rgsteele | Something is obviously munged in my configs...just not sure what |
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| 15:51.42 | Coke | and "destination host unreachable" means that it can't even find the hardware on the other side. |
| 15:51.43 | DavidProck1981 | excetp for the last that join |
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| 15:52.01 | Coke | There's no route for 192.168.0.0. |
| 15:52.02 | mikel28 | when i 'route add -net 200.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0' i get |
| 15:52.06 | Xnerd | Hi, x-server returns error 104. Yesterday it was fine (did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). any help? |
| 15:52.08 | mikel28 | netmark and route address conflct |
| 15:52.16 | mikel28 | im trying to setup plip, what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:52.52 | stew | Coke: there was the last time you showed us your routing table |
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| 15:53.06 | stew | Coke: install tcpdump and run "tcpdump -i eth1" and see if you see traffic going out |
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| 15:53.17 | stew | mikel28: do you understand what a netmask does? |
| 15:53.28 | rgsteele | The fact that the version table has the package, but I have no installation candidate leads me to believe that somethings wrong with the /etc/apt/preferences file |
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| 15:53.42 | rgsteele | I'm just not sure exactly what the problem is... |
| 15:53.50 | stew | rgsteele: have you run apt-get update recently? |
| 15:53.50 | gcbirzan | mikel28: Use 200.0.0.0 |
| 15:53.58 | gcbirzan | mikel28: Which is the network address for that network. |
| 15:53.59 | Coke | stew: my latest http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 15:54.04 | mikel28 | stew partly |
| 15:54.05 | rgsteele | stew: Yeah, I ran it right after I updated the sources.list |
| 15:54.25 | DavidProck1981 | hi Xnerd im about to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i jusr recently learn about it my self, but ive done it 3 times so far and no error |
| 15:54.34 | stew | Coke: wrong url |
| 15:54.36 | Coke | stew: oh, my eth1 DOES get something when I ping. |
| 15:54.39 | gcbirzan | stew: I always said it should get the network out of that and use it. :-P |
| 15:54.43 | Coke | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4484 |
| 15:54.44 | Coke | sorry |
| 15:55.03 | rgsteele | stew: Did you happen to get a quick look at the pastebin I linked? |
| 15:55.15 | rgsteele | I'm not sure, but maybe the answer is there (right in front of my face) and I'm just missing it |
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| 15:55.34 | DavidProck1981 | Xnerd> did u run module-assistant before configureing |
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| 15:55.52 | gcbirzan | Coke: There is a route. And since you don't have a MAC to go with the IP, your machine is only sending a packet a second on the interface. |
| 15:55.53 | solemnwarning | How do I get a /dev/dvb setup? |
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| 15:56.16 | Xnerd | DavidProck1981: nop |
| 15:56.21 | rgsteele | stew: I think that the line: "Pin: origin backports.org" is probably the offender |
| 15:56.24 | Coke | gcbirzan: I didn't understand that. |
| 15:56.27 | Xnerd | DavidProck1981: should I? |
| 15:56.30 | rgsteele | Just not sure what's wrong about it...looks pretty good to me :) |
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| 15:56.31 | DavidProck1981 | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 15:56.35 | Coke | However, it seems like my eth1 is sending pings. |
| 15:56.45 | DavidProck1981 | for fglrx-driver i have to |
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| 15:56.46 | gcbirzan | Coke: That packet a second is ARP requests. |
| 15:56.47 | mikel28 | thats me, actually :X |
| 15:56.51 | gcbirzan | are, probably. |
| 15:57.00 | gcbirzan | And those. *shrugs* |
| 15:57.02 | DavidProck1981 | i would think so |
| 15:57.04 | Coke | gcbirzan: "a second" ? |
| 15:57.13 | gcbirzan | Coke: One packet per second. ARP requests. |
| 15:57.18 | DavidProck1981 | that u have to run it |
| 15:57.19 | Coke | gcbirzan: ok, so no pings. |
| 15:57.22 | gcbirzan | No pings. |
| 15:57.32 | Coke | gcbirzan: because it has no arp address for the IP, right? |
| 15:57.40 | gcbirzan | MAC address. But, yes. |
| 15:57.48 | Coke | yeah, hw mac |
| 15:58.04 | Coke | gcbirzan: where do you think the problem lies? with my configuration, cable setup or remote host? |
| 15:58.09 | gcbirzan | Cable. |
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| 15:58.11 | stew | rgsteele: try switching origin and release, as they do here: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 15:58.15 | Coke | gcbirzan: I suspect so too. |
| 15:58.28 | gcbirzan | Though, I don't know anything about the setup on the other side... |
| 15:58.34 | lindenle | blondie: I ran the latest chkrootkit from a newly created nfs mount ro and still it finds nothing. Is there something else i can do...maybe some program on my system created that file... |
| 15:58.42 | rgsteele | stew: I'll check that out... |
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| 15:59.34 | rgsteele | stew: Affirmative. Thanks. |
| 15:59.36 | Coke | gcbirzan: so that could be wrong too? if the cables are working, wouldn't the hardware at least respond? |
| 15:59.50 | gcbirzan | No. |
| 16:00.03 | gcbirzan | If you've not configured it correctly, it will not. |
| 16:00.09 | gcbirzan | One thing to look for is theoutput of ifconfig. |
| 16:00.13 | DavidProck1981 | LATER Xnerd, LATER all |
| 16:00.14 | gcbirzan | See if there're any errors. |
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| 16:00.30 | Xnerd | DavidProck1981: Thanks man |
| 16:00.41 | DavidProck1981 | do u know how to use module-assistant |
| 16:01.01 | Coke | gcbirzan: my ifconfig or the remote host? |
| 16:01.06 | Xnerd | DavidProck1981: nop. i´m reebooting right now. to install it |
| 16:01.12 | gcbirzan | Coke: Both. |
| 16:01.16 | DavidProck1981 | u dont have to reboot |
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| 16:01.45 | Coke | gcbirzan: my ifconfig http://channels.debian.net/paste/4485 |
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| 16:02.12 | Xnerd | DavidProck1981: installing module-assistant right now |
| 16:02.23 | SpeedyG | lol, during the installation of windows vista, one of the 'current task' is "Expanding files" |
| 16:02.31 | SpeedyG | no wonder it requires a 20GB harddisk to install |
| 16:02.35 | gcbirzan | Coke: Did you try to ping from the other machine? |
| 16:02.38 | Xnerd | DavidProck1981: done. what now? |
| 16:02.53 | gcbirzan | The |
| 16:02.53 | gcbirzan | haha |
| 16:03.02 | DavidProck1981 | im me |
| 16:03.03 | gcbirzan | Coke: That's your firewire! |
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| 16:03.17 | DavidProck1981 | pm me , what eveer irs call it |
| 16:03.19 | gcbirzan | Coke: Or something alike... |
| 16:03.23 | Coke | gcbirzan: cheeeeepers |
| 16:03.25 | cydork | Coke: hahahhahha |
| 16:03.27 | Coke | gcbirzan: yes, that's right. |
| 16:03.29 | Coke | unspec |
| 16:03.37 | Coke | I didn't even know my machine had firewire. |
| 16:03.43 | gcbirzan | Well. |
| 16:03.44 | Mportnoy | hello, anyone has a good howto for openvpn Debian 3.1 ? |
| 16:03.45 | gcbirzan | Look for eth2. |
| 16:03.46 | Coke | must be built-in the mother board |
| 16:04.02 | Coke | gcbirzan: can't I make eth1 use the ethernet card? |
| 16:04.07 | gcbirzan | Coke: 18:03 < gcbirzan> Look for eth2. |
| 16:04.38 | h3sp4wn | Coke: install ifrename and set it from /etc/iftab (but test with eth2 first) |
| 16:04.39 | DavidProck1981 | did u run it |
| 16:04.47 | Coke | gcbirzan: "look for"? I define them in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 16:04.56 | gcbirzan | ifconfig -a |
| 16:05.10 | DavidProck1981 | WHAT I DID WAS |
| 16:05.20 | Coke | I have eth1_tempo |
| 16:05.21 | Coke | I have eth1_temp |
| 16:05.33 | Coke | which is ethernet |
| 16:05.45 | DavidProck1981 | update then prepare then selest |
| 16:05.54 | DavidProck1981 | select* |
| 16:06.17 | SpeedyG | where can I find an etch-iso ? |
| 16:06.32 | cydork | !tell SpeedyG -about etch |
| 16:06.37 | SpeedyG | oh nvm :) |
| 16:06.40 | SpeedyG | got it allready ;) |
| 16:06.44 | cydork | :) |
| 16:06.45 | SpeedyG | msgd dpkg myself ;) |
| 16:06.48 | DavidProck1981 | for me i checked fglrx-driver because i have a ati card useing xorg |
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| 16:07.00 | Coke | gcbirzan: I have no eth2 |
| 16:07.15 | DavidProck1981 | im not sure which one u will check |
| 16:07.23 | gcbirzan | Coke: I have seen that. |
| 16:07.29 | gcbirzan | But I've no idea how to fix that. |
| 16:07.34 | cydork | Coke: you have eth1_temp right? |
| 16:07.39 | DavidProck1981 | something to do with your XServer and video card combo |
| 16:07.44 | Coke | cydork: yeah. |
| 16:07.55 | cydork | Coke: the use that instead of eth1 |
| 16:07.57 | Coke | I think I need to use ifrename, but it says I have no /etc/iftab |
| 16:08.24 | Coke | cydork: yes, that was it |
| 16:08.29 | Coke | Damn that hidden firewire. |
| 16:08.45 | DavidProck1981 | then search to make sure u dont need any thing else installed |
| 16:09.13 | DavidProck1981 | then GET then Build then Install |
| 16:09.51 | stew | Coke: no eth1_temp is a udev thing, you probably have conflicting entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent.rules |
| 16:09.54 | stew | err |
| 16:09.56 | DavidProck1981 | then Esc to exit out |
| 16:09.58 | stew | z25_persistent_net.rules |
| 16:10.13 | DavidProck1981 | u GET all of THAT XNERD |
| 16:10.14 | Coke | stew: really? can I resolve this without putting in two hours of work? |
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| 16:10.50 | stew | Coke: either fix that conflict, or if none seems to exist, delete that file, then use "ip link set eth1_temp name eth1" |
| 16:10.50 | DavidProck1981 | then reconfigure your xserver |
| 16:11.03 | SpeedyG | btw cydork it's !tell $nick about $item, without the - ;) |
| 16:11.28 | Coke | stew: I have no idea if a conflict exists. |
| 16:11.35 | cydork | SpeedyG: then you dont know what - does :) |
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| 16:11.48 | SpeedyG | probably ;) |
| 16:11.51 | Coke | stew: "file exists" is the error |
| 16:12.06 | SpeedyG | but it doesnt tell it to me ;) |
| 16:12.09 | Coke | stew: I there no way that Debian can just name each network device eth0 1 2 3 ... and so on? |
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| 16:14.10 | stew | Coke: it attempts to name them eth0 eth1 eth2.... the idea is that the first time udev sees a network card it tries to name it persistently so that it will always have the same name if you juggle other ethernet cards in and out. it got confused while doing this and is trying to give eth1 to more than one card currently |
| 16:14.27 | stew | Coke: look at that file, is there more than one entry for eth1 in there? |
| 16:14.34 | Coke | stew: I see it in z25 net rules |
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| 16:14.52 | xray | hello all =) |
| 16:15.00 | Coke | stew: the file name is z25.persistent-net.rules |
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| 16:15.27 | xray | someone here? =) |
| 16:15.33 | gcbirzan | xray: No. |
| 16:16.17 | xray | need some help |
| 16:16.39 | xray | well one question if you dont mind, if googled for it but didnt found something |
| 16:16.40 | stew | xray: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 16:16.57 | xray | iam running debian 3.1 sarge |
| 16:16.59 | xray | with fluxbox now |
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| 16:18.00 | Ronin | uh huh |
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| 16:20.34 | xray | sorry |
| 16:20.45 | xray | had router restart |
| 16:20.58 | stew | xray: we haven't seen a question yet. if you have one, just ask it |
| 16:21.02 | xray | well like ive told, iam running debian 3.1 sarge with fluxbox |
| 16:21.09 | xray | and i need a soundcontrole pannel |
| 16:21.22 | xray | where i can set volume, turn off my internal microphone |
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| 16:21.50 | xray | like a kde soundpanel or windows soundmanager |
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| 16:24.12 | tolecnal | xray: kmix |
| 16:24.21 | xray | danke |
| 16:24.33 | xray | thank you =) |
| 16:24.48 | tolecnal | xray: you're more than welcome :) |
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| 16:25.11 | xray | iam somehow new to this all =) |
| 16:25.26 | xray | ive used debian but only with kde and gnome |
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| 16:25.34 | xray | and there where this kind of stuff implemented =) |
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| 16:25.54 | xray | but now i whant more performance, kde is overloaded like windows =) |
| 16:27.55 | tolecnal | xray: kcontrol - lots of settings in there you can tweak to your liking |
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| 16:28.41 | xray | tweak debian? |
| 16:29.02 | MasterYoda | how do I flush the dns cache on my system? |
| 16:29.27 | stew | MasterYoda: on a dns server or a client? |
| 16:29.34 | MasterYoda | client |
| 16:29.35 | tolecnal | xray: ummm, you asked about enhancing KDE and its performance right? Or are you saying one thing, but meaning something enterily else? |
| 16:30.13 | stew | MasterYoda: there isn't one except for application specific caches, firefox has its own cache, restarting firefox will clear it |
| 16:30.24 | MasterYoda | stew: ok thanks |
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| 16:31.47 | bokey | stew# any ideas on microsoft webcam support in debian ? |
| 16:32.44 | stew | bokey: none |
| 16:32.48 | bokey | stew# wot ? |
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| 16:32.53 | bokey | stew# sucks.. |
| 16:33.22 | stew | bokey: i don't understand. if you are asking me about webcams, i know nothing about using them. sorry if you think that "sucks" |
| 16:33.35 | bokey | stew# wat about atleast a binary one ? |
| 16:33.50 | bokey | stew# fine. =) yeah and that sucks =( |
| 16:34.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | bokey, What suck is buying hardware without checking compatibility first... Who's the lame one ? |
| 16:35.03 | bokey | Ox0F0-0FF# well, yeah. but I haven't bought it. |
| 16:35.19 | bokey | Ox0F0-0FF# just borrowed it for tonight from a friend. =) |
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| 16:37.31 | xray | shouldnt that hard to install a webcam |
| 16:37.49 | xray | no documentation found for this? |
| 16:37.55 | d0uglas | i got some bad blocks, apparently some apt related stuff was laid on top of them and now when i try to apt-* i get stuff like reading database ... dpkg: error processing foo, failed in buffer.read(fd) files list for package (foomatic-db): Input/output error; Processing was halted because there were to omany errors, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). What to do (other than get a new hd)? thanks |
| 16:37.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | xray, webcams and scanners are a pain in linux |
| 16:38.01 | xray | ic |
| 16:38.18 | xray | someone use fluxbox? =) |
| 16:38.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | xray, constructors won't release infos to write drivers so... |
| 16:38.29 | Ronin | !someone |
| 16:38.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:38.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | I used to |
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| 16:38.39 | MasterYoda | my system has stopped resolving dns addresses |
| 16:38.44 | d0uglas | also, do Toshiba hard drives have a weak reputation? this is my second one to crash in a few months |
| 16:38.57 | d0uglas | maybe my laptop's too hot |
| 16:39.01 | xray | well how can i change time from am to normal european time with 24hours? |
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| 16:39.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | xray, no idea |
| 16:39.47 | Ronin | www.fluxbox.org xray and #fluxbox ;) |
| 16:39.53 | tolecnal | d0uglas: I've had a couple of Toshiba laptops in the past, and I've bene more than happy with them both. And they were both on the move quite a lot, being used 8hrs++ every day |
| 16:40.03 | Ox0F0-0FF | d0uglas, I hade a toshiba.... worked fine... That's the same HD's as IBM uses |
| 16:40.17 | Ronin | xray: seriously :) i run fluxobx and i cant recall how i set the clock to 24 hr |
| 16:40.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | d0uglas, bad serie ? |
| 16:40.25 | xray | ic =) |
| 16:40.31 | d0uglas | 0x: yeah i got the hd out of a sony laptop |
| 16:40.31 | xray | well that isnt that bad |
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| 16:40.35 | d0uglas | Ox0F0-0FF: rather |
| 16:41.07 | d0uglas | 0x: getting 0x41 and 0x50s .. am i screwed yet? |
| 16:41.16 | d0uglas | argh Ox0F0 |
| 16:41.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | no idea |
| 16:41.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | Maybe your mobo instead ? |
| 16:41.32 | d0uglas | what do you mean no idea, your nick resembles the errors :) |
| 16:41.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | thought about this ? |
| 16:41.36 | d0uglas | !mobo |
| 16:41.36 | dpkg | mobo is, like, short for motherboard |
| 16:41.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | oh |
| 16:41.51 | d0uglas | hmm no i hadn't thought of it .. |
| 16:41.59 | d0uglas | but it's gotta be mechanical no |
| 16:42.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | depends |
| 16:42.12 | d0uglas | the last one fizzled out over about a week |
| 16:42.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | try it with an other mobo |
| 16:42.17 | Ronin | xray: http://www.fluxbox.org/docs/en/faq.php#strftime |
| 16:42.18 | d0uglas | badblocksing helped a few times |
| 16:42.22 | blondie | nickometer blondie |
| 16:42.24 | d0uglas | this is a laptop |
| 16:42.26 | blondie | !nickometer blondie |
| 16:42.27 | dpkg | 'blondie' is 0.000% lame, blondie |
| 16:42.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | maybe over voltage... ? |
| 16:42.32 | xray | thank you ronin =) |
| 16:42.33 | Ronin | got to love google |
| 16:42.37 | blondie | !nickometer Ox0F0-0FF |
| 16:42.39 | dpkg | 'Ox0F0-0FF' is 99.390% lame, blondie |
| 16:42.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | there we go again.... an other lamer nickometering me |
| 16:42.55 | d0uglas | maybe i shouldn't warwalk to work? bag swinging around... |
| 16:43.09 | d0uglas | also dropped it last night, clear correlation there |
| 16:43.12 | d0uglas | definitely the hd |
| 16:43.12 | blondie | "an other"? what does that mean? |
| 16:43.18 | Ronin | d0uglas: warwalking to work? you need a hobby |
| 16:43.31 | xray | well i changed today a style to use background image |
| 16:43.34 | xray | didnt work eather |
| 16:43.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | blondie, Means a lot of lamers spend their time nickometering me |
| 16:43.35 | d0uglas | dude it is so awesome to read everyone's ssid |
| 16:43.37 | petemc | Ronin: is it any worse than sitting on irc? |
| 16:43.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | but it's ok, I'm used to it |
| 16:43.43 | d0uglas | and study the wpa/wep percentages |
| 16:43.56 | Ronin | petemc: i think it is |
| 16:43.59 | blondie | Ox0F0-0FF: perhaps you meant "another" |
| 16:44.07 | petemc | Ronin: why? |
| 16:44.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | blondie, whatever |
| 16:44.19 | d0uglas | this one time i was on a train going through harlem, picked up over 200 aps a minute and that wasn't even in the window seat |
| 16:44.22 | d0uglas | how badass is that |
| 16:44.38 | blondie | d0uglas: I wish I was as cool as you |
| 16:44.40 | d0uglas | crappy broadcom too |
| 16:44.54 | Ronin | petemc: walking to work, mucking about on a computer war walking? man use the time to get away from computers etc, relax etc, get set for the days silliness etc. |
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| 16:45.21 | Ronin | its as bad as those folks who cant turn off thier cell phones and blackberrys |
| 16:45.34 | d0uglas | Just got a blackberry that'll do "tether mode" where you can plug it in with usb (or use bluetooth) and you can get on the net.. wondering if it'll work with linux |
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| 16:45.53 | d0uglas | the guy at cingular said it's basic pppoe stuff but i think he may not have known what he was talking about |
| 16:46.10 | stew | pppousb? |
| 16:46.11 | d0uglas | which would make two of us |
| 16:46.30 | d0uglas | pppousb huh i'll google that ty |
| 16:46.33 | stew | d0uglas: no |
| 16:46.55 | d0uglas | oh was that a joke |
| 16:46.56 | stew | d0uglas: don't bother, i was simply commenting that it wouldn't be pppoe since the e is ethernet and you are connecting it with usb |
| 16:47.11 | d0uglas | interesting |
| 16:47.30 | d0uglas | not sure why i got this, not like i ever commute or anything |
| 16:47.43 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: Look at the way the sharp zaurus does it (maybe you can get it to work) |
| 16:47.52 | d0uglas | hopefully it's tcp and not some whack on-demand proxy thing |
| 16:48.01 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: ok |
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| 16:48.21 | d0uglas | so what can i do about this: |
| 16:48.31 | j3di | how can i see if my box has nfs server installed? |
| 16:48.39 | ofer0 | if I want people to connect via FTP but not via SSH, which shell should I use ? |
| 16:48.44 | d0uglas | i got some bad blocks, apparently some apt related stuff was laid on top of them and now when i try to apt-* i get stuff like reading database ... dpkg: error processing foo, failed in buffer.read(fd) files list for package (foomatic-db): Input/output error; Processing was halted because there were to omany errors, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). What to do (other than get a new hd)? |
| 16:49.09 | d0uglas | getting 0x41 and 0x50s, very distraught |
| 16:49.12 | Phated | ofer0: How about just not running the SSH service, or configuring the access on the SSH one? |
| 16:49.34 | stew | ofer0: which ftp server are you using? |
| 16:49.42 | ofer0 | stew, vsftpd |
| 16:49.54 | xray | how do i get the version of a app? i mean fluxbox |
| 16:50.06 | xray | i dont know how to check versions installed =) |
| 16:50.14 | stew | ofer0: try /bin/false ; possibly you'll have to change some setting in vsftpd to tell it to allow users without a valid shell to ftp |
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| 16:50.29 | ofer0 | stew, okay, thanks. |
| 16:50.34 | stew | xray: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 16:50.36 | d0uglas | stew, no idea? |
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| 16:53.15 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.30 | nithley | hi |
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| 16:53.45 | d0uglas | why do we still have mechanical hard drives.. is solid state so complicated from a physics standpoit |
| 16:53.47 | nithley | i've notice that debian.org is down |
| 16:54.05 | nithley | is it right? |
| 16:54.06 | petemc | not here.. |
| 16:54.08 | blondie | d0uglas: solid state is more expensive and doesn't last |
| 16:54.12 | petemc | us.debian.org |
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| 16:54.24 | petemc | uk is fine too |
| 16:54.37 | d0uglas | blondie: how about ram-like chips with batteries |
| 16:54.41 | nithley | thank, i must have a problem here |
| 16:55.01 | ofer0 | IPv6 is 128bit, right? |
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| 16:55.47 | blondie | d0uglas: well you can get them, but they're expensive |
| 16:56.00 | pickcoder | ofer0: yes |
| 16:56.15 | d0uglas | blondie: i wonder what rpm a hd would have to do theoretically to go as fast as one of these suckers |
| 16:56.17 | ofer0 | pickcoder, good |
| 16:56.26 | pickcoder | 128-bit length |
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| 16:56.48 | d0uglas | "128 bit length IPs ought to be enough for anyone." |
| 16:57.02 | simon23 | hello, what is the script that calls programms on startup ? are there only the init scripts ? or are there user specific scripts? |
| 16:57.15 | Sonderblade | when i try to apt-get install evolution-dev, apt-get says "evolution-dev: Depends: libcamel1.2-dev but it wont be installed" what does that mean? |
| 16:57.24 | pickcoder | "no one will ever need more than 8K of memory" |
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| 16:57.50 | d0uglas | well since i'm gonna need a new hd anyway now would be a good time to do a dist upgrade to exp .. is libc still broked? |
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| 16:58.46 | stew | Feax: is there something I can help you with? |
| 16:58.59 | d0uglas | man stew that kick message stings |
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| 16:59.24 | Feax | stew: yes, how can I install bitchX graphics ? :P |
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| 16:59.41 | d0uglas | heh bitchx graphics |
| 16:59.43 | d0uglas | xbitchx? |
| 16:59.54 | d0uglas | with aview perhaps? |
| 17:00.02 | d0uglas | !aview |
| 17:00.02 | dpkg | it has been said that aview is An high quality ascii-art image(pgm) browser |
| 17:00.07 | blondie | irssi ftw |
| 17:00.11 | Feax | I installed all but what is the command to launch ? |
| 17:00.33 | d0uglas | wtf backwards or for the win |
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| 17:01.21 | d0uglas | how might i use wildcards in killall |
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| 17:01.35 | pickcoder | er.. wildcards + killall = dead box |
| 17:01.36 | tolecnal | Feax: bitchx-gtk |
| 17:01.36 | aidehua | dpkg: debian weekly news |
| 17:01.37 | dpkg | methinks debian weekly news is at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
| 17:01.38 | petemc | d0uglas: that sounds like a terrible idea |
| 17:01.39 | cydork | d0uglas: use pkill |
| 17:01.48 | d0uglas | k |
| 17:02.12 | Ronin | Feax: umm bitchx perhaps? |
| 17:02.14 | Feax | tolecnal: yes but how to launch after ? |
| 17:02.18 | d0uglas | petemc sometimes a process is pretty long or has similar spawns or whatever |
| 17:02.23 | Feax | I installed bitchx and bitchx-gtk |
| 17:02.38 | Ronin | Feax: bitchx or bitchx-gtk, thats how you launch them |
| 17:02.44 | pickcoder | d0uglas: then kill the parent |
| 17:02.59 | Feax | Ronin: how do I launch them ? |
| 17:03.04 | d0uglas | what would happened if you killed everything |
| 17:03.15 | d0uglas | would kill kill kill? |
| 17:03.21 | d0uglas | trippy |
| 17:03.26 | Ronin | Feax: just type bitchx in a term, better yet man bitchx in a term |
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| 17:03.43 | xray | how can i enable video in firefox? |
| 17:04.04 | tolecnal | Feax: are you at all able to do a single piece of research at all? do a freakin 'man apt-cache' or 'man aptitude' |
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| 17:04.35 | d0uglas | when doing badblocks should i set the -c value to my total memory or available memory |
| 17:04.37 | Feax | tolecnal: yes |
| 17:04.56 | tolecnal | Feax: I hate to break it to you, but you've proven us otherwise :/ |
| 17:05.26 | Feax | tolecnal: no :=) |
| 17:05.41 | stew | !alicekill d0uglas |
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| 17:05.57 | stew | Feax: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 17:06.25 | cydork | heh |
| 17:06.41 | ween | too late he is dead already |
| 17:06.44 | ween | lol |
| 17:06.54 | Feax | thanks |
| 17:06.55 | ween | *wump* |
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| 17:07.29 | ween | buuuuut one never knows ..... perhaps he'll COME_BACK |
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| 17:09.46 | simon23 | hello, how can i start a script for a user everytime he logs in ? (to start userspecific programms on login) |
| 17:09.50 | simon23 | ? |
| 17:10.30 | stew | simon23: logs in to console or to x or both? |
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| 17:13.50 | simon23 | stew: both. |
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| 17:14.15 | simon23 | stew: so the autostart file for kde wouldn't fit. |
| 17:14.59 | stew | !wikifaq simon23 DotFiles |
| 17:14.59 | dpkg | simon23: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:16.02 | simon23 | stew: thanks. |
| 17:16.21 | stew | win 35 |
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| 17:18.32 | MarcoPau | it seems that I need to setup lpr, but I don't have any lprsetup... what am I supposed to do? |
| 17:18.40 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 17:18.40 | dpkg | cups setup is probably Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 17:18.49 | valdyn | MarcoPau: ^^^ |
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| 17:19.23 | MarcoPau | valdyn: I already configured cups... what's not working is lpr |
| 17:19.51 | valdyn | MarcoPau: read what dpkg said ( HINT: mind the 'cupsys-bsd' package ) |
| 17:22.03 | xray | cant you look videos with any browser in linux? |
| 17:22.22 | xray | ive installed firefox 2 on linux but the mozilla-plugin-vlc didnt work |
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| 17:23.16 | MarcoPau | valdyn: that removed lpr, and I get no more printing page from emacs |
| 17:23.48 | valdyn | MarcoPau: lpr being removed is expected and the right thing |
| 17:23.48 | MarcoPau | it says only "spooling... done" |
| 17:24.16 | valdyn | MarcoPau: best you test lpr from a shell, not from another program adding sources of error |
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| 17:30.03 | MarcoPau | valdyn: mmm, can you suggest me a command to test it? |
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| 17:31.16 | valdyn | MarcoPau: lpr somefile |
| 17:31.23 | valdyn | MarcoPau: or 'ls | lpr' |
| 17:31.48 | Toxicsun | how do i change the default application associated with a certain file type, specficially I want XMMS to play mp3's |
| 17:31.59 | valdyn | MarcoPau: if that doesnt work you more likely have a cups issue than something wrong with lpr specifically |
| 17:32.03 | krazykit | Toxicsun: depends on your file manager. |
| 17:32.04 | MarcoPau | valdyn: no defaut destination available |
| 17:32.12 | MarcoPau | valdyn: cups test page works |
| 17:32.20 | Toxicsun | im using gnome and is it nautilus? |
| 17:32.21 | valdyn | MarcoPau: and cupsys-bsd is installed? |
| 17:32.25 | krazykit | Toxicsun: nautilus, thunar, and konquerer all have something for that in their right-click menus |
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| 17:32.32 | MarcoPau | valdyn: yes |
| 17:32.44 | Caelum | the samba in experimental doesn't come with smbmount...is that command not necessary anymore? |
| 17:32.45 | valdyn | MarcoPau: maybe you need to set the default printer in cups |
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| 17:33.02 | valdyn | Caelum: mount -f smbfs or even better mount -t cifs |
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| 17:33.12 | valdyn | Caelum: mount -t smbfs or even better mount -t cifs |
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| 17:33.51 | Caelum | valdyn: I'll try that, thank you |
| 17:33.54 | Toxicsun | krazykit, i see a way to open it with XMMS but not a way to change it so that it always opens XMMS by default |
| 17:34.06 | MarcoPau | valdyn: done. now says quota limit reached |
| 17:34.12 | valdyn | Caelum: taht might still require smbmount, im not sure, samba in experimental is probably there for a reason |
| 17:34.23 | valdyn | MarcoPau: i have no idea about your quota settings |
| 17:34.38 | MarcoPau | valdyn: what should I check for that? |
| 17:34.50 | valdyn | !cup setup |
| 17:34.52 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 17:34.53 | dpkg | methinks cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 17:34.59 | valdyn | MarcoPau: same URL ^^ |
| 17:35.22 | Caelum | valdyn: hmm, nope. I guess I'll downgrade it to sid |
| 17:36.11 | dendrite | ... Downgrade to sid ... Now THAT'S hard core. |
| 17:36.26 | liran_ | hey cydork |
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| 17:37.02 | MarcoPau | valdyn: mm, can't find anything, anyway I just repressed print under emacs and it pooped the sheet. should be fine now :) |
| 17:37.08 | MarcoPau | thanks for your availability |
| 17:37.27 | cydork | liran_: hiya |
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| 17:42.10 | abchirk | hm but this happens only in #debian :/ |
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| 17:42.43 | abchirk | lol |
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| 17:47.14 | tonyrad | I'm having a small problem. I have my debian box set up as a mail server to forward all incoming mail to an exchange server, however, instead of doing this my emails have been marked as "frozen". How can I get this fixed? |
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| 17:47.50 | pickcoder | tonyrad: you should ask in the specific mail server channel |
| 17:48.15 | tonyrad | I am in the exim channel and asked there.. I figured I'd ask here too in case anybody else knew... |
| 17:48.22 | pickcoder | ok |
| 17:48.31 | pickcoder | if it was postfix I could help you |
| 17:48.50 | tonyrad | Oh yeah, I'm using exim too btw |
| 17:48.57 | DoppleGanger | :-) |
| 17:52.13 | stew | tonyrad: "man exim" will tell you how to unfreeze them somewhere |
| 17:52.15 | dendrite | tonyrad: Frozen just means exim ran into trouble. You'll need to troubleshoot to find out what that trouble is. I think mailq may say what the error is. If not, look in the logs. |
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| 17:53.42 | tonyrad | I looked in the exim mainlog and all it says is... "2006-11-14 12:28:03 1Gj4lZ-0004I1-00 Message is frozen" |
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| 17:53.54 | tonyrad | I can't get any more info from the log other than that |
| 17:54.46 | dendrite | tonyrad: Try sendmail -v to debug a session. |
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| 17:55.53 | tonyrad | Never done anything like that... What other args are needed to run that? |
| 17:57.31 | hjubal | does linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 support Cpu Frequency scaling? |
| 17:57.57 | dendrite | tonyrad: If you're running a mail server, you're going to have to read up on the system. |
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| 17:59.52 | tonyrad | I'm trying to. Unfortunately I'm on crunchtime to get this guy back up before we lose too much productivity and we've never had this sort of problem before |
| 18:00.40 | basix | hey ppl. i accidentally deleted some files in my home directory using the rm command. is it possible to recover the files? if so how? i am using ext3 fs. |
| 18:01.07 | stew | tonyrad: 'man exim' search for frozen |
| 18:02.29 | aidehua | basix: It is not possible. |
| 18:03.07 | aidehua | basix: use cron and rsync to take regular, local copies of your home directory. |
| 18:03.39 | aidehua | basix: ...then rm(1) will never wield it's evil powers over you again. MWU HA HA HA. |
| 18:04.18 | basix | aidehua, whys it not possible? :( is it a ext3 specific problem? i will start taking backups but i wanna knw which FSs allow you to "undelete" the files incase they have been lost? |
| 18:04.24 | dendrite | Hmmm. I'm trying to find etch security repo for etch. I get 404 at security.debian.org. What am I missing? |
| 18:04.31 | dendrite | Um, ARM arch. |
| 18:05.26 | aidehua | basix: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html#undelete |
| 18:05.32 | peterS | basix: in general it's harder, if even possible, to implement a reliable undelete function for journalled filesystems. there are two utilities for ext2, though of course as with any undelete facility they aren't guaranteed |
| 18:05.47 | dendrite | Sources.list has "deb http://security.debian.org/debian etch main" and I get "http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-arm/Packages.gz 404 Not Found" |
| 18:05.54 | bokey | peterS# =) |
| 18:06.27 | stew | basix: in general, non journalling filesystems. but you'd be better off to stick with journalling and backups, if this is a recurring problem you might look at libtrash (though i don't know how well it works) |
| 18:06.34 | bokey | peterS# hi. any ideas to get this damn lifecam working under 2.6.8 ? |
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| 18:06.58 | peterS | no, I have no clue about that |
| 18:07.10 | peterS | and no time, I need to be somewhere in 23 minutes and it takes 18 minutes to get there |
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| 18:07.36 | bokey | peterS# that's cool. =) but AFAIK, i googled and asked couple of people, not supported. =( |
| 18:07.47 | basix | stew, the problem is that i ran a stupid command.... i was really tired and ran the wrong command.... rm * is not such a nice command to run afterall in ones home directory :P |
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| 18:08.02 | dendrite | peterS: Any ideas about ARM etch security repos? |
| 18:08.51 | aidehua | basix: make a file in your home directory called "--version" :) |
| 18:08.52 | itchi | aidehua: Look to the 'testdisk' and the article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/420 |
| 18:09.06 | itchi | shit |
| 18:09.12 | itchi | basix: ^^ |
| 18:09.29 | aidehua | basix: "rm *" will then [usually] expand to "rm --version", which won't delete anything :) |
| 18:09.37 | aidehua | oldesttrickinthebook |
| 18:09.47 | itchi | aidehua: There are tools to undelete some stuff |
| 18:09.52 | peterS | dendrite: I just went to security.debian.org to check and it certainly seems the normal 'deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main' should work |
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| 18:10.19 | amphi | itchi: undeleting is not really possible on journaling filesystems |
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| 18:10.48 | bokey | itchi# any idea regarding lifecam support under debian or any other distro for that matter ? |
| 18:11.10 | bokey | itchi# life => ms lifecam vx |
| 18:11.10 | basix | aidehua, aha....good idea!! this should be done by default :P |
| 18:11.24 | itchi | amphi: Euhm, i had solve some time ago the same little trouble ;-) |
| 18:11.38 | aidehua | basix: rm rm |
| 18:11.45 | amphi | itchi: which 'little trouble'? |
| 18:11.56 | itchi | amphi: Deleted some stuff haha ;-) |
| 18:12.07 | itchi | amphi: But was not the right one ;-) |
| 18:12.17 | amphi | itchi: how did you solve it? on what fs? |
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| 18:12.28 | itchi | amphi: That was ext3 |
| 18:12.40 | itchi | amphi: Or maybe fat, im not more sure |
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| 18:12.48 | krazykit | bokey: all the distros are the same when it comes to hardware support. they all use pretty much the same kernel |
| 18:13.02 | amphi | itchi: you can't undelete on ext3; you might recover data some other way |
| 18:13.18 | amphi | itchi: fat is fairly trivial to undelete on |
| 18:13.19 | basix | itchi, thx for the link. i think nothing important is gone anyway....just am afraid for the rc files |
| 18:13.36 | itchi | amphi: With testdisk that worked fine |
| 18:13.37 | bokey | krazykit# yeah. 2.6.x here. |
| 18:13.57 | bokey | krazykit# any idea lifecam vx usb webcam ? |
| 18:14.19 | stew | bokey: stop, just ask the channel, not every individual |
| 18:14.27 | bokey | sh: line 1: unam: command not found |
| 18:14.29 | stew | bokey: if nobody knows, wait and ask again later |
| 18:14.30 | itchi | amphi: I think it was been an ext3 |
| 18:14.34 | bokey | sh: line 1: unam -r: command not found |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | bokey: google "<camera> driver debian" |
| 18:14.48 | itchi | bokey: uname |
| 18:14.51 | amphi | itchi: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ext3-no-undeletion.html |
| 18:15.07 | bokey | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 18:15.12 | bokey | =) |
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| 18:16.15 | itchi | amphi: To be honnest, it's an article of 2002 |
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| 18:17.04 | blondie | you can't undelete on ext3, stop arguing |
| 18:17.16 | itchi | amphi: I dunno; but want to retry that :-) Gona write it down on the TODO, like that undelete thing is asked many times |
| 18:17.21 | PupenoR | if a name resolves to more than one ip, is Linux supoused to pick up the closest IP (for example, if one IP is in the LAN and the other needs routing, does it ping the one in the LAN) ? |
| 18:17.25 | bokey | haha |
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| 18:17.34 | blondie | PupenoR: no, a random one |
| 18:17.36 | bokey | abrotman# thanks but no results. =( |
| 18:17.42 | NestorReloaded | hello |
| 18:18.01 | amphi | itchi: ext3 hasn't changed in any relevant way AFAIK |
| 18:18.05 | valdyn | PupenoR: that is up to the spefic program you are using |
| 18:18.09 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 18:18.20 | bbelt16ag | hep peeps |
| 18:18.27 | bbelt16ag | !oscar |
| 18:18.38 | amphi | itchi: this is quite interesting, http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=87 |
| 18:18.42 | bokey | !webcam |
| 18:18.42 | dpkg | well, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 18:18.54 | bbelt16ag | anybody know if the oscar clustering software is going to be in unstable or testing repo?? |
| 18:19.02 | bbelt16ag | which kernel its gonna use? |
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| 18:19.37 | dendrite | etch ARM security solved: sources.list needed "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main" |
| 18:19.47 | NestorReloaded | anyone has used a broadcom wireless card in debian?? |
| 18:19.51 | NestorReloaded | just can't make it work |
| 18:20.18 | valdyn | NestorReloaded: ndiswrapper or a very recent kernel required |
| 18:20.35 | valdyn | NestorReloaded: depending on your actual chipset too though |
| 18:21.00 | NestorReloaded | nestor@LittleSion:~$ /sbin/iwconfig eth0 |
| 18:21.00 | NestorReloaded | eth0 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"Broadcom 4318" |
| 18:21.00 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.00 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.00 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.21 | NestorReloaded | #flood nestor@LittleSion:~$ /sbin/iwconfig eth0 |
| 18:21.21 | NestorReloaded | eth0 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"Broadcom 4318" |
| 18:21.21 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.21 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.21 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.26 | amphi | heh |
| 18:21.30 | djw | errr |
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| 18:21.38 | djw | NestorReloaded: read your kick message |
| 18:21.38 | amphi | !paste |
| 18:21.39 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:21.44 | NestorReloaded | yeah, sorry dude |
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| 18:21.59 | NestorReloaded | when I use iwconfig eth0, I see mi card |
| 18:22.05 | NestorReloaded | it's a broadcom 4318 |
| 18:22.05 | blondie | go and drink bleach |
| 18:22.18 | fourat | i've configured my .xinitrc file to start the fluxbox desktop on boot, but debian is booting on the root's user and i wont get the desktop running with root, how to resolve it please ? |
| 18:22.44 | valdyn | fourat: why is debian booting 'on the root's user' ? |
| 18:23.02 | NestorReloaded | yeah, using X as root... it's sounds really bad |
| 18:23.07 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: lspci .. what is the line ? |
| 18:23.25 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.55 | fourat | valdyn, i have a simple user called fourat, in his home i've created .xinitrc and put this : echo "exec startfluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc, now how to let my debian boot on that account to start the fluxbox desktop |
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| 18:24.24 | Pons | NestorReloaded, |
| 18:24.42 | Pons | iwconfig eth0 essid "Network Name" |
| 18:24.47 | NestorReloaded | thanks |
| 18:24.50 | Pons | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 18:24.54 | Pons | dhclient eth0 |
| 18:25.12 | NestorReloaded | but you are saying that the kernel it's seeing it= |
| 18:25.12 | amphi | fourat: fluxbox desktop? startfluxbox exists? when I used fluxbox, it was just /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 18:25.12 | NestorReloaded | ? |
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| 18:25.25 | Pons | if appears in iwconfig, it is |
| 18:25.31 | NestorReloaded | thanks :D |
| 18:26.02 | Pons | is your network encrypted? |
| 18:26.06 | NestorReloaded | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 18:26.13 | fourat | amphi, it just a bash script that goes straight to /usr/bin/fluxbox, but it adds some conf stuff |
| 18:26.14 | NestorReloaded | that's when I try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 18:26.17 | blondie | NestorReloaded: english please |
| 18:26.25 | NestorReloaded | no such file or directory |
| 18:26.31 | stew | NestorReloaded: you'll want to configure /etc/network/interfaces for your network, 'man 7 wireless' 'man interfaces' |
| 18:26.45 | NestorReloaded | I know |
| 18:26.48 | Pons | stew, if ifconfig eth0 up doesn't work |
| 18:27.00 | Pons | it will be the same with interfaces |
| 18:27.13 | Pons | NestorReloaded, is the network encrypted? |
| 18:27.15 | amphi | fourat: uhuh - for xdm, I think you should use ~/.xsession not ~/.xinitrc; on debian, at least, startx also uses ~/.xsession, no need for .xinitrc at all |
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| 18:27.16 | bokey | !paste |
| 18:27.16 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:27.18 | Pons | wep or wpa? |
| 18:27.19 | NestorReloaded | nope |
| 18:27.23 | Pons | ok |
| 18:27.35 | Pons | so, iwconfig eth0 |
| 18:27.39 | Pons | after the essid command |
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| 18:27.52 | peter___ | any dd willing to sponsor a package or three? :) http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/11/msg00053.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/11/msg00128.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/11/msg00151.html particularly the last two, which I found really helpful for using LaTeX commands in dot diagrams |
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| 18:27.57 | Pons | should say |
| 18:28.04 | Pons | IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:Network Name Nickname:"Broadcom 4318" |
| 18:28.08 | stew | peter___: please try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 18:28.12 | delire | Pons: you can do it all in one line.. |
| 18:28.17 | blondie | peter___: who needs latex when you have MS Word? |
| 18:28.19 | Pons | delire, sorry |
| 18:28.25 | stew | Pons: if he can get the card up with a combination of iwconfig and ifconfig then interfaces would work |
| 18:28.32 | delire | Pons: iwconfig eth0 essid foo key s:bar |
| 18:28.32 | NestorReloaded | yeah |
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| 18:28.41 | NestorReloaded | but I've trouble doing ifconfig |
| 18:28.43 | NestorReloaded | iwconfig works fine |
| 18:28.48 | Pons | Stevie[FP], if you read, ifconfig is giving him an error |
| 18:28.52 | Pons | err.. |
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| 18:28.56 | Pons | stew, |
| 18:28.59 | peter___ | blondie: people who like having their documents in non-proprietary formats for one |
| 18:29.06 | Caelum | hrm, security = ADS doesn't seem to work with the Samba in sid |
| 18:29.07 | mikel28 | can a 486 have shared interrupts? |
| 18:29.18 | fourat | amphi, but how to start it as a normal user ? |
| 18:29.18 | blondie | LaTeX is as proprietary as it gets |
| 18:29.19 | stew | NestorReloaded: please put the output of "iwconfig ; ifconfig -a" into a pastebin |
| 18:29.20 | Caelum | mikel28: if it has PCI, then yes I think |
| 18:29.20 | Pons | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 18:29.26 | amphi | fourat: startx ? |
| 18:29.27 | NestorReloaded | ok |
| 18:29.38 | stew | oh, this is ndiswrapper? |
| 18:29.43 | mikel28 | caelum, no it has no pci |
| 18:30.09 | Caelum | mikel28: then it can't, AFAIK, ISA interrupts cannot be shared except in DOS maybe |
| 18:30.16 | fourat | amphi, anyone, startx, startfluxbox .... |
| 18:30.18 | blondie | DOS rulez |
| 18:30.18 | Pons | stew, i think he is doing it with the kernel module |
| 18:30.20 | Pons | the open one |
| 18:30.45 | Pons | i've seen that card before and that output seems to be from the new driver |
| 18:31.03 | Caelum | ie. if your parallel port and sound blaster are both on irq 7, then you can use them in DOS, but not at the same time. From what I remember anyway, this was years ago... |
| 18:31.03 | amphi | fourat: what? |
| 18:31.17 | mikel28 | lol |
| 18:31.17 | Caelum | why in god's name would anyone be using a 486 right now anyway? |
| 18:31.21 | mikel28 | you have a pretty good memory |
| 18:31.44 | blondie | Caelum: cos 386s are too slow |
| 18:31.48 | Caelum | heh |
| 18:31.52 | NestorReloaded | done |
| 18:31.54 | mikel28 | Caelum: i grabbed my 486dx2 which i have under plastic for like 10yrs |
| 18:31.58 | mikel28 | its good as brand new |
| 18:32.02 | Caelum | mikel28: ahh, fun :) |
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| 18:32.12 | mikel28 | but i lost my ne2000 isa cards |
| 18:32.16 | Caelum | :( |
| 18:32.21 | blondie | I have some |
| 18:32.21 | mikel28 | so i want to setup PLIP |
| 18:32.30 | mikel28 | so i have inet on it ! :D |
| 18:32.41 | mikel28 | blondie: you live near amsterdam? ;) |
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| 18:33.21 | Pons | NestorReloaded, the link ... ? |
| 18:33.22 | bokey | abrotman# lsusb -v output @ http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 18:33.36 | NestorReloaded | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:34.01 | bokey | abrotman# sorry, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4490 |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | bokey: that's not a valid paste .. i need the number |
| 18:34.13 | blondie | mikel28: define near |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 18:34.23 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:34.26 | abrotman | bokey: ^^ |
| 18:34.38 | mikel28 | blondie: you aint dutch i think..? |
| 18:34.59 | blondie | orly? |
| 18:35.16 | black_13 | i want to run svnserve -d -r /home/project when start my debian system how would i do that? |
| 18:35.59 | Pons | NestorReloaded, you missed the ifconfig output |
| 18:36.13 | bokey | abrotman# can you decipher anything ? |
| 18:36.23 | NestorReloaded | let's see |
| 18:36.34 | jazzmans | I'm using etch, and an amd64 3000+, the default kernel is i486, which kernel would make better use of the capabilites of my cpu, if any? |
| 18:37.10 | NestorReloaded | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4492 |
| 18:37.12 | NestorReloaded | done |
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| 18:37.30 | peterrus | hello |
| 18:37.41 | bokey | peterrus# =) |
| 18:37.57 | peterrus | i am trying to make a debian-based live cd, and i have spotted linux-live.org which has a great tool for that |
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| 18:38.11 | Pons | NestorReloaded, that is from iWconfig |
| 18:38.14 | bokey | !livecd |
| 18:38.14 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 18:38.15 | Pons | not iFconfig |
| 18:38.16 | peterrus | although i was wondering if there is some kind of howto about this |
| 18:38.22 | peterrus | i know lol |
| 18:38.38 | Pons | NestorReloaded, forget it |
| 18:38.41 | NestorReloaded | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4492 nope... tahs Ifconfig |
| 18:38.42 | Pons | i read |
| 18:38.49 | Pons | NestorReloaded, ae you from chile? |
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| 18:38.57 | NestorReloaded | nop, from argentina |
| 18:39.02 | peterrus | i want to make something like slax, but then debian based, because i dont like slackware |
| 18:39.06 | bokey | abrotman# =( |
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| 18:39.22 | Pons | nothing wrong about the output |
| 18:39.44 | Pons | Mode:Managed Access Point: Invalid Bit Rate=1 Mb/s |
| 18:39.48 | NestorReloaded | so you're saying that linux sees my wlan card |
| 18:39.53 | Pons | your essid is "Prueba" |
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| 18:40.14 | NestorReloaded | yeah |
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| 18:41.02 | Pons | well... the card is not associated to the AP |
| 18:41.02 | NestorReloaded | I don't know much about wireless, I just wanted to know if my card it's working |
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| 18:41.35 | Pons | where it says Access Point: Invalid, it should be Access Point: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx |
| 18:42.12 | NestorReloaded | thanks :D |
| 18:42.59 | amphi | NestorReloaded: you've set the essid and channel correctly? and the card is in mode 'managed' ? |
| 18:43.03 | abrotman | bokey: ? |
| 18:43.20 | NestorReloaded | ups, forgot that, let me try |
| 18:43.22 | bokey | abrotman# just asking some people @ #kernel |
| 18:43.26 | amphi | NestorReloaded: you might find that install waproamd helps |
| 18:43.34 | black_13 | what is the debian equivalent of /etc/rc.local ? |
| 18:43.38 | NestorReloaded | thanks |
| 18:43.45 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 18:43.46 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 18:44.02 | PupenoR | can I define variables in bind configuration files (to contain IPs) to use it in various places ? |
| 18:44.04 | abrotman | bokey: okay |
| 18:44.31 | bokey | abrotman# =) |
| 18:44.32 | amphi | NestorReloaded: by default, waproamd seems to associate with the AP with the best signal, so dhclient <iface> should JustWork(tm) |
| 18:44.37 | black_13 | abrotman note taken |
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| 18:45.19 | amphi | NestorReloaded: you use the native driver or the accursed ndiswrapper? |
| 18:45.43 | NestorReloaded | the native one |
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| 18:45.57 | NestorReloaded | debian etch installer reconogizes my card |
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| 18:46.18 | krazykit | what card? just curious |
| 18:46.47 | bokey | abrotman# pep are dead @ #kernel |
| 18:46.49 | NestorReloaded | roadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] |
| 18:46.55 | NestorReloaded | Broadcom |
| 18:47.09 | krazykit | NestorReloaded: then the native driver won't work |
| 18:47.15 | NestorReloaded | why |
| 18:47.21 | zinx | amphi: i use the accursed ndiswrapper because none of the native drivers for my cards support WPA, and one doesn't even support the standard configuration interface |
| 18:47.22 | krazykit | the native bcm43xx driver doesn't work with the 4318 yet |
| 18:47.30 | NestorReloaded | ok |
| 18:47.36 | krazykit | the 4318 is broken, even by broadcom standards |
| 18:47.43 | zinx | amphi: it's sad when emulated windows drivers support the standard config interface and native ones have some obtuse custom one :/ |
| 18:47.43 | krazykit | they're working on it though. |
| 18:47.52 | bokey | abrotman# did you find anything. and hey appreciate it. =) |
| 18:47.59 | NestorReloaded | so I'll have to wait :( |
| 18:48.04 | amphi | zinx: better to use well-supported hw ;) |
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| 18:48.16 | jm|laptop | my acpi utilties don't seem to be reporting properly :( |
| 18:48.23 | zinx | amphi: in the wireless card arena, there is very very little that's well-supported |
| 18:48.32 | zinx | amphi: i think atheros may be the only ones |
| 18:48.47 | amphi | zinx: ralink rt2500 works well, as does my ipw2200 |
| 18:49.06 | zinx | amphi: do the drivers for those support WPA? |
| 18:49.15 | zinx | amphi: and use iwconfig :/ |
| 18:49.16 | amphi | zinx: there are many others, but those are two I have direct experience of |
| 18:49.21 | amphi | zinx: yes |
| 18:49.22 | jm|laptop | anyone familiar with acpi? |
| 18:49.32 | zinx | amphi: i'll keep that in mind in my laptop search |
| 18:49.36 | krazykit | yeah, orinoco, rt2500, atheros, ipw |
| 18:49.42 | krazykit | zinx: don't buy hp or compaq then |
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| 18:49.59 | krazykit | they both use broadcom cards, and you can't swap them out: the laptop won't boot. |
| 18:50.10 | zinx | krazykit: nuts |
| 18:50.12 | pumpkin0 | jm|laptop: did you enable acpi in the BIOS ? |
| 18:50.15 | amphi | zinx: this is a useful page, http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 18:50.21 | shpond | hi |
| 18:50.43 | zinx | i just don't want anything using linux-wlan-ng or any similarly braindamaged drivers :/ |
| 18:50.46 | jm|laptop | pumpkin0: yeah - the 'problem' is that the battery meter seems to 'stick' at whatever it was when I restart |
| 18:50.51 | amphi | krazykit: you can get around that, I think, the bios barfing at the 'foreign' mini-pci card |
| 18:50.58 | jm|laptop | laptop:/home/jamie# acpi |
| 18:50.59 | jm|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.06 | jm|laptop | been sat like that for 20 minutes |
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| 18:51.25 | amphi | jm|laptop: nice battery - where can I get one? ;) |
| 18:51.28 | pumpkin0 | jm|laptop: which laptop do you have ? |
| 18:51.39 | peterrus | Where can i find the config file that is used to compile the debian etch kernel (2.6.16) ? |
| 18:51.39 | jm|laptop | amphi: lol - exactly |
| 18:51.45 | shpond | dunno |
| 18:51.56 | amphi | peterrus: in /boot |
| 18:52.14 | NestorReloaded | /boot/config-2.6.16 or something like that |
| 18:52.14 | jm|laptop | Compaq nx6325 |
| 18:52.37 | peterrus | thnks alot :) |
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| 18:52.53 | peterrus | back to making my live-cd (www.linux-live.org) |
| 18:53.03 | pumpkin0 | jm|laptop: a lot of compeq have a fubar BIOS. Did you try using the APM-way ? |
| 18:53.09 | jm|laptop | hmm: even having restarted acpid it still says 1:31:34 |
| 18:53.31 | jm|laptop | pumpkin0: I would, but I'm quite enjoying powernow |
| 18:53.34 | jm|laptop | :/ |
| 18:53.42 | delire | speaking of batteries, anyone here run Debian on a Thinkpad X60s? |
| 18:53.42 | jm|laptop | pumpkin0: I see what you mean, though |
| 18:53.55 | xjkx | so there is this process '2100 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? R 15:28 0:00 [route]' which is not on the top as all the [processes] with this '[ ]', its down like i openned it now, but i didnt, sometimes its not there, when computer gets slow, its there, i believe its some malicious software, i can kill the process, but i'd like to know how to find this software that is openned ! how can i do that?all i know is ps -aux and it says [rou |
| 18:53.55 | xjkx | te] |
| 18:54.07 | pumpkin0 | jm|laptop: that still works in APM-mode, but you cannot controll it directly (if APM is working right ...) |
| 18:54.14 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 18:54.15 | dpkg | from memory, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 18:54.35 | jm|laptop | ok |
| 18:54.43 | jm|laptop | will that gives me something to think about |
| 18:55.13 | krazykit | amphi: yes, you can. plug in the wireless card AFTER the bios. or change the EEPROM of the card. |
| 18:55.47 | amphi | krazykit: yeah, it was the latter I was thinking of |
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| 18:56.47 | xjkx | anyone? |
| 18:57.27 | xjkx | now it has "2192 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 15:29 0:00 [play] <defunct>" |
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| 18:58.07 | amphi | rgsteele: write it ;) |
| 18:58.46 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 18:58.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:59.01 | SerajewelKS | meh close enough |
| 18:59.02 | jm|laptop | heh |
| 18:59.12 | jm|laptop | and now I've plugged the AC in, it still says discharging |
| 18:59.29 | GoAuLd | !popcom konversation |
| 19:00.11 | xjkx | how do i know what binary file is running my process?? |
| 19:00.25 | rgsteele | amphi: Yeah, well it's just this particular issue. |
| 19:00.27 | rgsteele | :) |
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| 19:01.51 | fourat | how to start X as another user than root |
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| 19:02.33 | pumpkin0 | fourat: the standard way is to start a login-manager like gdm/xdm as root and login as normal user. |
| 19:02.42 | SmallR2003 | someone enlighten me as to why debian is attempting to use scsi emulation in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:02.58 | pumpkin0 | SmallR2003: scsi emu for what ? |
| 19:03.03 | SmallR2003 | burning cds |
| 19:03.08 | stew | SmallR2003: you have the ide-scsi module loaded? |
| 19:03.20 | amphi | fourat: or run startx |
| 19:03.23 | SmallR2003 | it's 2.6, it doesn't need ide-scsi... |
| 19:03.29 | stew | SmallR2003: correct |
| 19:03.33 | stew | SmallR2003: is the module loaded now? |
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| 19:04.11 | SmallR2003 | mmmn, not sure, i'll check |
| 19:04.12 | stew | SmallR2003: or what is making you think that it is trying to use scsi emulation? |
| 19:04.17 | Esters | Is there a alternative for cdrtools ? |
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| 19:04.32 | SmallR2003 | it isn't |
| 19:04.39 | fourat | amphi, how to run startx as normal user ? |
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| 19:04.42 | Esters | fixed |
| 19:04.57 | SmallR2003 | stew, the fact it doesn't work, and cdrecords website?http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.html |
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| 19:05.10 | amphi | fourat: you get an error? |
| 19:05.34 | stew | SmallR2003: be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 19:05.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | !webmin |
| 19:05.46 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:05.53 | SmallR2003 | stew, spews bust cds at me, and k3b complains about the age of the version |
| 19:06.03 | fourat | amphi, i want to run it at boot time |
| 19:06.17 | fourat | amphi, not in console as the normal user |
| 19:06.20 | pumpkin0 | SmallR2003: sid, sarge or etch ? |
| 19:06.34 | amphi | fourat: so install a dm as someone told you a while back |
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| 19:06.39 | SmallR2003 | pumpkin0, unstable |
| 19:06.50 | pumpkin0 | fourat: run "apt-get install gdm" |
| 19:07.24 | stew | SmallR2003: cdrecord isn't in unstable, you shouldn't be trying to use it |
| 19:07.36 | amphi | stew: what is it called now? |
| 19:07.46 | stew | amphi: wodim |
| 19:08.07 | amphi | stew: of course ;) |
| 19:08.22 | SmallR2003 | then it'll be from testing, or stable |
| 19:08.26 | amphi | I should have guessed |
| 19:08.40 | pumpkin0 | fourat: and "/etc/initd/gdm restart" afterwards. |
| 19:09.24 | pumpkin0 | SmallR2003: sid in itself is not stable and may break at any time. Mixing that with stable or testing does not improve matters. |
| 19:10.08 | SmallR2003 | pumpkin0, read the cdrecord site, they explain what's been done |
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| 19:11.08 | SmallR2003 | to quote: Warning: do not use Debian binaries as they include many Debian specific bugs and still do not run correctly on Linux-2.6 |
| 19:11.23 | zinx | SmallR2003: uhm, haha, that's such BS |
| 19:11.31 | stew | SmallR2003: you shouldn't be using cdrecord. its been removed from testing and unstable largely due to the author's being unreasonable. i wouldn't believe anything he has to say about linux in general, he is very bigoted |
| 19:11.53 | SmallR2003 | oh really? mmmn, burns bloody good cds though |
| 19:11.56 | zinx | ya, schilling is a moron when it comes to Linux |
| 19:12.11 | stew | SmallR2003: he is upset the the linux kernel added some security features which made it so that you have to run cdrecord as root |
| 19:12.14 | zinx | (and probably other areas, but it's most notable there) |
| 19:12.45 | zinx | but you shouldn't need to burn as root |
| 19:12.51 | stew | SmallR2003: iirc he threatened to sue the debian maintainer several times for random stuff, which contributed to why debian forked cdrecord |
| 19:13.06 | zinx | i don't need to burn as root with cdrdao anyway. |
| 19:13.11 | SmallR2003 | right, so what DO you want me to use? |
| 19:13.19 | zinx | i do, however, need write access to the CD drive. Go figure. |
| 19:13.27 | stew | SmallR2003: wodim |
| 19:13.56 | stew | zinx: just having write access to the cd drive is not enough to burn a cd with cdrecord/wodim in recent 2.6 linux kernls |
| 19:14.04 | zinx | stew: it's enough for cdrdao |
| 19:14.13 | zinx | stew: why isn't it enough for cdrecord/wodim? |
| 19:14.22 | zinx | stew: oh, it's also enough for growisofs |
| 19:14.32 | stew | zinx: they need additional ioctls which only root can use aiui |
| 19:14.44 | zinx | stew: why do those need additional ioctls when cdrdao/growisofs don't? |
| 19:14.54 | zinx | stew: Maybe you aren't using a recent enough 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:15.06 | zinx | stew: some additonal calls were added to the 'allowed by non-root' list |
| 19:15.09 | SmallR2003 | looks like it seems to be using wodim by simlink |
| 19:15.25 | stew | zinx: i don't burn cds. I know this becuase it comes up in here so often |
| 19:15.26 | SmallR2003 | it still doesn't explain why k3b is throwing a tantrum about the version |
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| 19:15.37 | zinx | stew: it's *extremely* likely that they do not have write access to the CD drive |
| 19:15.46 | stew | zinx: no |
| 19:15.46 | zinx | stew: debian doesn't give write access to it by default in many configurations |
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| 19:16.10 | zinx | plus i think 2.6.8 is too old, and is missing some SCSI commands on the list |
| 19:16.15 | stew | zinx: the kernel prevents non-root users from burning cds with cdrecord regardless of any filesystem permissions |
| 19:16.23 | zinx | stew: not recent 2.6 kernels |
| 19:16.31 | zinx | unless cdrecord's bailing out for a bad reason |
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| 19:16.37 | zinx | which wouldn't surprise me entirely |
| 19:17.25 | fourat | am having xdm starting "startx", how to change it to something else, i need it to load startfluxbox |
| 19:17.27 | zinx | stew: in any case, i've not had problems with recent kernels + cdrdao/growisofs |
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| 19:17.53 | zinx | stew: and i definitely do not run either of those as root |
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| 19:18.02 | zinx | stew: they only have write access to the CD drive, that's all. |
| 19:18.07 | stew | SmallR2003: we have determined that you are using an old version of cdrecord, so it seems to explain why k3b might be complaining about having an old version |
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| 19:19.04 | SmallR2003 | stew, i'm using the latest in the repos, which says that it's a dummy for wodim, which is also the latest |
| 19:20.19 | SmallR2003 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7krdC690.html <-- k3b's complaint |
| 19:21.20 | SmallR2003 | opening k3bsetup does as much for me as a hamster on a surfboard |
| 19:21.21 | stew | SmallR2003: what does "which cdrecord" return? |
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| 19:21.45 | pumpkin0 | SmallR2003: isn´t that the cdrecord from stable ... ? in unstable ? |
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| 19:22.01 | xjkx | i'd like to install a rootkit to test my rkhunter, isn't there any of them on apt for tests? |
| 19:22.06 | SmallR2003 | /usr/bin/cdrecord |
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| 19:22.36 | George87 | Hi, is there a security feature on debian to stop overflowing bytes from a buffer from spilling into the eip? |
| 19:22.47 | George87 | If so, how may I disable that on my own system? |
| 19:23.00 | pet | putosssssss |
| 19:23.01 | pet | ss |
| 19:23.01 | pet | s |
| 19:23.02 | pet | sssssss |
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| 19:23.09 | delire | xjkx: you better be sure they're not binary only rootkits ;) |
| 19:23.28 | SmallR2003 | cdrecord is in unstable, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=cdrecord&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 19:23.42 | xjkx | delire, i dont understand much about it, isnt rootkits binaries? |
| 19:25.06 | delire | xjkx: yes, but i'd like the insurance of source in case detection doesn't work and i could find out where the thing is. |
| 19:25.08 | stew | SmallR2003: check the bts for cdrecord / wodim / k3b. try removing the cdrecord package |
| 19:25.16 | SmallR2003 | xjkx, i wouldn't advise what you want to do, a bit like setting fire to your house to see if the firemen come |
| 19:25.24 | SmallR2003 | stew, ok |
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| 19:25.40 | delire | s/and/so |
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| 19:26.32 | xjkx | :P |
| 19:26.57 | delire | xjkx: a rootkit is below the permissions level of course. once it's got that far it could be anywhere and do anything. i'd advise you grab a theoretical rootkit with source so at least you know it's not going to hose your machine. either that or build a network dead sandbox. |
| 19:27.27 | xjkx | will do mate, thanks |
| 19:27.35 | delire | np |
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| 19:28.12 | faderhval | if i were to mount an NTFS HDD on linux would i be able to store data on it???? |
| 19:29.05 | blondie | not really, no |
| 19:29.15 | krazykit | actually yes |
| 19:29.19 | krazykit | check out ntfs-3g |
| 19:29.35 | krazykit | but FAT32 is best for compatability with the 4 major OSs |
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| 19:29.48 | blondie | kkrauss: no |
| 19:29.51 | blondie | er |
| 19:29.52 | blondie | krazykit: no |
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| 19:29.59 | krazykit | blondie: uh, yes. |
| 19:30.01 | kkrauss | bueno all |
| 19:30.05 | blondie | what are the four major OSes? |
| 19:30.11 | faderhval | the thing is i just changed from windows to linux and i have about 150 gb data i dont wanna loose! |
| 19:30.20 | krazykit | Windows, OSX, GNU/Linux, *BSD |
| 19:30.22 | kkrauss | itchi you here? |
| 19:30.28 | lindenle | y |
| 19:30.30 | krazykit | BSD is major enough. |
| 19:30.35 | blondie | krazykit: that's only three, I'd replace OSX with Solaris |
| 19:30.38 | pumpkin0 | faderhval: you can read alright, but the writing is still beta ... |
| 19:30.40 | stoned | is there a channel on freenode about medical advise? |
| 19:30.51 | stoned | just wondering, I mean freenode seems to have everything |
| 19:30.53 | krazykit | blondie: for home users? no. |
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| 19:30.54 | abrotman | you would take medical advice from someone on IRC ? |
| 19:30.58 | lindenle | ok I started my kernel with init=/bin/bash can i have init replace bash or do I have to reboot |
| 19:31.01 | cydork | stoned, dont smoke pot ? :P |
| 19:31.02 | itchi | kkrauss: Yes |
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| 19:31.10 | blondie | krazykit: roflcopters |
| 19:31.15 | stoned | I got a bump on my butt, it hurts to sit down, like a huge pimple thingy |
| 19:31.17 | stoned | TMI? |
| 19:31.20 | blondie | BSD (except for OS X) isn't big for home users |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | lance! |
| 19:31.25 | kkrauss | did you test the live cd yet? |
| 19:31.26 | stoned | its on my back really, lower back |
| 19:31.33 | krazykit | bigger than solaris, i'd say. |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | stoned: go to see Mr Doctor type dude |
| 19:31.47 | stew | stoned: aren't your parents doctors? |
| 19:31.50 | faderhval | so let say i were to store som data to the disk and then put it in a windows machine would the entire disk be destroyed or just the particular data ? |
| 19:31.53 | cydork | stoned, or tell someone to spank you :P |
| 19:31.57 | stoned | abrotman, too much time, I was thinking about bugging the pharmacist at walgreens. |
| 19:31.59 | itchi | kkrauss: Not yet, i'm re test 'testdisk' on the laptop, Estimated time for achievement 2h09m39 so im still wait :-/ |
| 19:32.05 | stoned | stew, yes, but all the way in baton rogue |
| 19:32.07 | abrotman | stoned: ask him to pop it ? |
| 19:32.11 | itchi | kkrauss: Wait i move |
| 19:32.21 | kkrauss | itchi damn you! |
| 19:32.22 | blondie | stoned: if your parents are doctors... like phone them or something |
| 19:32.24 | kkrauss | I cant understand you sometimes |
| 19:32.26 | stoned | yeah, I might have to go to the emergency roomm, but that place is horrible |
| 19:32.36 | stoned | blondie, my mom told me to talk to the pharmacist at walgreens |
| 19:32.40 | blondie | I se |
| 19:32.42 | blondie | e |
| 19:32.43 | kkrauss | st0oned did you trip and fall again after smoking a blunt? lol |
| 19:32.54 | stoned | enough weed jokes |
| 19:33.04 | pumpkin0 | faderhval: nobody knows. |
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| 19:33.12 | kkrauss | Your name is stoned, what the heck do you excpect |
| 19:33.14 | itchi | kkrauss: The iso are on my main computer, gona test the live cd right noz |
| 19:33.14 | George87 | Hi, is there a security feature on debian to stop overflowing bytes from a buffer from spilling into the eip? |
| 19:33.15 | stoned | anyway, I updated my sid system last night after a month, have not restarted yet. |
| 19:33.17 | George87 | Hi, is there a security feature on debian to stop overflowing bytes from a buffer from spilling into the eip? |
| 19:33.19 | George87 | oops, sorry |
| 19:33.24 | cydork | but not enought weed :( |
| 19:33.31 | stoned | I dunno if I want to, works just fine |
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| 19:33.44 | stoned | I don't really care for loading up the new kernel package |
| 19:33.51 | stoned | should I restart? |
| 19:34.16 | faderhval | sigh.... but if i make the drive read only... there should be no problems?? |
| 19:34.28 | pumpkin0 | faderhval: right. |
| 19:34.29 | kkrauss | itchi I acidentally downloaded unstable |
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| 19:34.36 | kkrauss | for standard but I got desktokp in testing |
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| 19:34.43 | kkrauss | etch* |
| 19:35.05 | George87 | I prefer etch to sarge |
| 19:35.07 | itchi | kkrauss: Doest not matter, like that live cd is just to play with it. Then download the install cd of Debian and install in on your computer |
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| 19:35.47 | kkrauss | its dendrite! |
| 19:36.12 | delire | dendrite: where have you been since saturday night? |
| 19:36.36 | kkrauss | dendrite was here last night |
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| 19:36.56 | dendrite | Back from the land of swapped out slugs. |
| 19:36.59 | faderhval | i tried mounting the volume but when i wanna enter the disk it says i have no permission :( |
| 19:37.06 | itchi | kkrauss: Have you tried that Knoppix? |
| 19:37.08 | delire | kkrauss: what's happening to my memory! |
| 19:37.25 | kkrauss | no itchi but ill ge tthere |
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| 19:37.29 | kkrauss | let me play with the desktop live cd first |
| 19:37.39 | stew | faderhval: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 19:37.53 | Josepe | Hi, I have a two ditincs postfix running in the same machine, but I want to use a different user for each, one run with the user postfix, the second run on the user postfix2, but launching start on the second postfix, the process is running with the postfix user, not the postfix2, why? what is the way? |
| 19:37.58 | Josepe | mail_owner = postfix2 does not help for me |
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| 19:38.01 | Josepe | any ideas? |
| 19:38.10 | fourat | how to get firefox2.0 on debian etch ? |
| 19:39.07 | itchi | kkrauss: While your downloading the Knoppix, download the Debian Netinst too ;-) |
| 19:39.07 | kkrauss | itchi |
| 19:39.07 | kkrauss | stop |
| 19:39.07 | kkrauss | im not downloading anything |
| 19:39.28 | dendrite | kkrauss: Are you in the Live CD environment now? |
| 19:39.37 | kkrauss | I wantt o play with debian desktop live cd first |
| 19:39.47 | kkrauss | no i in the bathroom environment!!! givbe me a minute!! |
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| 19:40.58 | lindenle | my pci ATA-133 adapter is trying to become ide0(hda) how do I make it play nice and be ide2(hde). |
| 19:41.10 | dendrite | T. M. I. |
| 19:41.30 | kkrauss | lol |
| 19:41.31 | stoned | hey |
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| 19:41.42 | stoned | I've installed many a debian distros while dropping the kids off at the pool |
| 19:41.56 | stoned | I'd be sitting there taking a dump, while trying to do a netinst :) |
| 19:42.02 | kkrauss | ok THAT was tmi |
| 19:42.06 | kkrauss | I just said I was in the bathroom |
| 19:42.11 | vaq | I want to bond two netcards, i have bounded the two netcards and the traffic is doubled the one way to 200mbit, but if i try to send traffic the other way it keeps running at 100mbit, i have bounded it with mode 0 and 3 |
| 19:42.13 | stoned | when one is short on time, you have to MAKE time when you can |
| 19:42.25 | kkrauss | dude |
| 19:42.28 | kkrauss | thats why I love laptops |
| 19:42.29 | dendrite | Gives a whole new meaning to wiping a disk... |
| 19:42.34 | stoned | lol |
| 19:42.39 | cydork | hehe |
| 19:42.40 | stoned | dendrite, you da man |
| 19:42.48 | kkrauss | fuck the newspaper, I bring in my laptop, I can look at porn, chat with hot girls from myspace, its awesome |
| 19:42.48 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:43.38 | itchi | kkrauss: Can you not get beer with your laptop? |
| 19:43.47 | kkrauss | now im obviously the novice who knows nothing here b ut there is one thing I do know |
| 19:43.55 | fourat | how to get firefox2.0 on debian etch ? |
| 19:44.00 | kkrauss | when you download the live cds they come in .rar |
| 19:44.03 | stoned | man ever since I got oblivion I have not been here |
| 19:44.09 | itchi | kkrauss: You need to step in an bar and show up Debian, you get many beer ;-) |
| 19:44.11 | dendrite | fourat: You can always get it from the source... |
| 19:44.13 | stoned | about a few weeks |
| 19:44.18 | stew | fourat: either install it from firefox directly, following their instructions, or wait |
| 19:44.24 | kkrauss | you can still burn that as an image, at least with windows using nero im not sure how you full debian users will work but just thought id let you know |
| 19:44.36 | itchi | kkrauss: It come in iso extension. |
| 19:44.46 | stoned | stew, hey whats going on with RC bugs and the etch release so far, any word brother? |
| 19:45.00 | kkrauss | itchi you are wrong I downloaded both last night they are rar extension |
| 19:45.08 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 19:45.09 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 19:45.22 | cydork | stoned, http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 19:45.24 | dendrite | stoned: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 19:45.31 | itchi | kkrauss: I have not yet burn that image file. I use qemu as virtual computing system, so that i can boot that live cd in an running os. |
| 19:45.32 | Ronin | kkrauss: no theyre not, rar is just asociated with it by mistake |
| 19:45.42 | stoned | yeah, I've got it bookmarked, but I wanted insider info ;) |
| 19:45.49 | kkrauss | how would winrar get iso mixed up with rar thougH?? |
| 19:45.55 | itchi | kkrauss: I have also download it the both and _iso_ as extension |
| 19:46.03 | blondie | winrar is shit, that's why |
| 19:46.04 | kkrauss | maybe im wrong then |
| 19:46.07 | blondie | as is the rar format |
| 19:46.11 | Ronin | kkrauss: pretty easy, just remove the association |
| 19:46.14 | kkrauss | well its the best zipper ive found for windows |
| 19:46.23 | kkrauss | aww crap |
| 19:46.26 | kkrauss | you are right itchi my bad |
| 19:46.29 | stoned | drastic improvement, last I checked we were above 265+ |
| 19:46.39 | stoned | about 180+ now, that is great news |
| 19:47.10 | dendrite | stoned: 77, if you optimistically subtract packages with a patch filed. |
| 19:47.34 | dendrite | Which is best case, and certainly not real. |
| 19:47.50 | kkrauss | and for a mintue I thought I actually learned something that could be somewhat helpful lol |
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| 19:48.16 | kkrauss | burning my desktop cd now |
| 19:48.17 | dendrite | kkrauss: The RC bugs keep etch from going stable. |
| 19:48.27 | kkrauss | what are the rc bugs? |
| 19:48.30 | dendrite | kkrauss: "Release Critical" |
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| 19:48.38 | kkrauss | ahh |
| 19:48.41 | dendrite | kkrauss: Serious bugs. |
| 19:48.45 | kkrauss | well nothing is stable |
| 19:48.49 | kkrauss | sid or etch only |
| 19:48.56 | dendrite | kkrauss: Sarge is currently stable. |
| 19:48.59 | kkrauss | and I made a mistake dendrite I didnt realize until AFTER you left |
| 19:49.06 | kkrauss | there was TWO standard isos |
| 19:49.10 | dendrite | kkrauss: In debianese, "stable" means no unnecessary changes. |
| 19:49.11 | kkrauss | one etch one sid |
| 19:49.27 | dendrite | kkrauss: I remember, you grabbed sid, I said no big deal, try it anyhow. |
| 19:49.27 | kkrauss | dendrite I know what they mean |
| 19:49.36 | kkrauss | but there is no sarge right now for live cd |
| 19:49.36 | dendrite | kkrauss: You're learning fast. :-) |
| 19:49.46 | dendrite | kkrauss: No, probably never will be a sarge live CD. |
| 19:49.50 | kkrauss | and with our conversation last night I didnt try anything |
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| 19:49.58 | kkrauss | so the desktop etch is finished |
| 19:50.03 | kkrauss | im just going straight to that! |
| 19:50.06 | dendrite | kkrauss: I believe the concept of a Live CD pretty much postdates the release of Sarge... |
| 19:50.09 | stoned | we have a new debian enthusiast, who seems to learn fast |
| 19:50.12 | stoned | this is a rare sight |
| 19:50.18 | dendrite | kkrauss: Sounds like a plan |
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| 19:50.30 | stoned | I'm going to take this moment, and savor it |
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| 19:50.44 | kkrauss | with the right people stoned I do learn fast |
| 19:50.50 | plee | when filing a bug to bugs.debian.org using the reportbug tool, do you get an cc of that mail or is it just sent? |
| 19:51.07 | dendrite | plee: IIRC, it's just sent. |
| 19:51.17 | kkrauss | but there are SOMEpeople in here who are jerks and dont understand that I ask a lot of questions for a reason even if it may seem stupid, For one I dont like to know how to solve a problem without understanding HOW the solution worked |
| 19:51.34 | plee | dendrite, ok |
| 19:51.36 | tuxedup | with kdessh, how do I specify the host to connect to? the help pages do not give details how to give thr argument |
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| 19:51.59 | stoned | what is the BEST desktop processor in the market right now, budget doesn't matter, just wanna see which one. I dunno if #debian is the right place to ask, but we have a lot of techies here, someone might know, net seems to not help |
| 19:52.01 | biopyte | hi. how do i search&replace 'tabs' in OOo-writer. searching with regular expressions and '\t' doesnt work. at #OOo they dont answer. |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | stoned: ask #hardware |
| 19:52.11 | itchi | kkrauss: You need to know about virtual computing |
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| 19:52.26 | kkrauss | Stoned: I have a feeling im going to get yelled at for this |
| 19:52.27 | stoned | they said exactly what I wanted to hear |
| 19:52.32 | kkrauss | but I believe in AMD |
| 19:52.39 | pumpkin0 | stoned: define "best" |
| 19:52.41 | stew | stoned: ask #hardware |
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| 19:52.50 | itchi | kkrauss: Your running Windows? |
| 19:52.50 | stoned | pumpkin0, can't, its not possible |
| 19:52.55 | kkrauss | I havent been doing a lot of testing lately so I havent gotten into the 64 bit chips |
| 19:52.56 | stoned | stew, yup |
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| 19:53.23 | kkrauss | but I have always noticed the quality of amd chips are better than intel. But technically since you are running debian you could go the rout of a 128 bit mac chip |
| 19:53.27 | SmallR2003 | stew, http://rafb.net/paste/results/ba9ZKa59.html k3b just spouted that at me and threw the cd out again |
| 19:53.30 | kkrauss | in theory those are the best |
| 19:53.49 | stoned | abrotman, I'm thinking about getting c2d e600 + nforce 680i, overclocked from 2.4 to 3.0, with aftermarket air cooling |
| 19:53.59 | stoned | s/e600/e6600 |
| 19:54.04 | abrotman | stoned: ask #hardware :) .. or maybe #gentoo |
| 19:54.05 | nonix4 | kkrauss: "quality" of chips is rather abstract concept... |
| 19:54.07 | SmallR2003 | kkrauss, have a butchers at some of the stuff IBM are doing |
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| 19:54.12 | stoned | abrotman, I wasn't asking |
| 19:54.28 | kkrauss | what? |
| 19:54.35 | abrotman | stoned: i don't know jack about graphics cards .. i prefer they work with open drivers so that leaves most of ati/nvidia out |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | stoned: and i think overclocking is a silly idea |
| 19:54.52 | kkrauss | are you serious abrotman! |
| 19:54.53 | stew | SmallR2003: looks like a hardware error, not a software error |
| 19:54.56 | kkrauss | ati is what I use! |
| 19:55.05 | abrotman | i don't care what *you* use |
| 19:55.14 | nonix4 | abrotman: I have nothing against overclocking nor underclocking... in fact, I like both. |
| 19:55.15 | kkrauss | ok dickhead jeez |
| 19:55.26 | stoned | well, I'll be running xp on it, its only going to be used for one task and one task alone, Oblivion. Other than that, open nv drivers are just fine for me, as I don't need 3d under linux |
| 19:55.28 | kkrauss | dendrite is he right am I going to have a problem with my card? |
| 19:55.29 | stew | kkrauss: don't call people names in here |
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| 19:55.44 | stoned | abrotman, 'nv' _IS_ oss right? |
| 19:55.57 | Zesty | How do I send an already running process to the background? |
| 19:55.58 | kkrauss | hey he got a little lippy but alright :) |
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| 19:56.06 | abrotman | nv is .. nvidia is not |
| 19:56.10 | dendrite | kkrauss: I wasn't paying attention. What card? Oh. Nvidia? Should be OK as long as you don't want super duper proprietary 3D performance. |
| 19:56.15 | nonix4 | abrotman: as in I have had one 'puter overclocked +50% for 8 years with 0 problems; still when buying new h/w I try to figure out how much they can be underclocked... |
| 19:56.18 | abrotman | nonix4: underclocking is fine .. overclocking is not |
| 19:56.18 | pumpkin0 | Zesty: ctrl-Z + bg |
| 19:56.18 | SmallR2003 | stew, i had this before i eventually fixed it, at least i know this error :P |
| 19:56.19 | kkrauss | I hope he is wrong and im not going to have a problem |
| 19:56.20 | stoned | abrotman, then I'm set brother |
| 19:56.29 | abrotman | aye! |
| 19:56.34 | dendrite | kkrauss: Only one way to find out. |
| 19:56.44 | kkrauss | damn dendrite after all this time they still havent gotten up to speed with nvidia so I cant get awesome graphics out of my graphics card using debian :( |
| 19:56.50 | kkrauss | yep im getting ready now |
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| 19:56.54 | abrotman | nonix4: i've been looking more and more at smaller/quieter machines .. i don't play games on PCs .. so it doesn't matter how fast they are really |
| 19:57.04 | dendrite | kkrauss: It's Nvidia that's the issue. They refuse to cooperate with the FOSS community. |
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| 19:57.07 | stoned | oh oh oh, I have to tell this to #debian.. Listen up |
| 19:57.09 | itchi | kkrauss: If your running Windows, you need to look for the program 'qemu for windows', so that you easy can run an virtual computer in your runnin MS windows |
| 19:57.20 | stew | kkrauss: i didn't see anyone get 'lippy' with you. even so, if you think that the correct way to react to someone getting 'lippy' is to call them a dickhead, you are wrong |
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| 19:57.41 | stoned | I actually took a call off the queue, where an IT manager for a decent sized company wanted DEBIAN SARGE on the PE 1800 servers!!! |
| 19:57.43 | Zesty | pumpkin0, it's a running x application, I can't control Z on it, is there another way, possible something to do with the PID |
| 19:57.46 | dendrite | kkrauss: Remember, This is the Internet. Thin skin will get you nowhere. |
| 19:57.52 | itchi | kkrauss: Is very helpfull, you will see, many people use vitualisation to test stuff out, your live cd's for example |
| 19:57.56 | kkrauss | stew that was like 10 minutes ago get over it i said ok and sorry lol |
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| 19:58.02 | stoned | of course, we don't sell systems with debian preinstalled, or support it, but it was cool to know anyway, that people and IT guys WANT debian |
| 19:58.03 | kkrauss | itchi you are getting too far ahead |
| 19:58.03 | nonix4 | abrotman: Yeah kinda the same here. But I've been using that one 'puter for number crunching 24/7 ;) Relatively quiet too with my custom cooling solution :-) |
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| 19:58.08 | stoned | it made me feel pretty nice :D |
| 19:58.09 | kkrauss | im booting the live cd now |
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| 19:58.11 | pumpkin0 | Zesty: no (easy) way to background/detach a X-app. |
| 19:58.21 | itchi | kkrauss: Try it out, you will see it's peace of cake, serious |
| 19:58.35 | dendrite | stoned: Well, does the PE 1800 run Debian Sarge? |
| 19:58.41 | kkrauss | so far so good, f1 for help enter to boot, looks ust like any other booting linux system |
| 19:58.47 | abrotman | nonix4: miniITX cluster! :) |
| 19:58.48 | stoned | of course, it can |
| 19:58.57 | dendrite | stoned: Hopefully you told him that. |
| 19:59.00 | itchi | kkrauss: Just that you not yet know about it and i want that you try out an usefull tool. Like you are go to test some live cd's and distro's out |
| 19:59.07 | nonix4 | abrotman: wish those MBs were affordable here :-/ |
| 19:59.12 | stoned | of course, I said you can DL debian from debian.org and get support in here |
| 19:59.14 | Zesty | pumpkin0, ah, thought that was the case, but it is possible? |
| 19:59.21 | kkrauss | crap |
| 19:59.22 | stoned | he ended up going with redhat enterprise |
| 19:59.26 | kkrauss | eth1: unkonw hardware |
| 19:59.28 | jindal | hullo guys, how do i configure apt to use several mirrors ie if xxx pack is not on S1 get from S2? |
| 19:59.30 | kkrauss | is that my ethernet card? |
| 19:59.37 | stoned | he actually wanted linux + dedicated linux support |
| 19:59.39 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: not fast enough for serious number crunching anyway. The same buck buy more umph from AMD. |
| 19:59.43 | dendrite | kkrauss: eth1? Do you have a firewire card? |
| 19:59.54 | dendrite | kkrauss: No, eth1 would be a second Network card. |
| 19:59.54 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: heh. In 1998? |
| 20:00.00 | stoned | so he PAID for it, whatever, but it was cool to know that debian is known in the mainstream IT (winodws lovers) community |
| 20:00.03 | kkrauss | no |
| 20:00.09 | kkrauss | er wait |
| 20:00.09 | stoned | thats all, it was just cool |
| 20:00.11 | itchi | kkrauss: Have you an wifi card on the laptop? |
| 20:00.14 | kkrauss | I have too many desktops maybe this one does |
| 20:00.23 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: no, right now. The C7 and PM are not fast/buck. |
| 20:00.24 | dendrite | kkrauss: Well, as long as eth0 is OK, you should be OK. |
| 20:00.34 | kkrauss | ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! |
| 20:00.35 | kkrauss | lol |
| 20:00.54 | kkrauss | ok gnome 2.14 is loading |
| 20:00.59 | itchi | kkrauss: With the stuff you pay, you have also NO WARRANTY, look in the contract |
| 20:01.21 | kkrauss | itchi I know, it was a joke |
| 20:01.23 | kkrauss | oi vey |
| 20:01.27 | dendrite | "If it breaks, you get to keep *both* pieces..." |
| 20:01.30 | itchi | kkrauss: The authors want to save his ass in case of ... |
| 20:01.32 | abrotman | nonix4: they're not cheap anywhere |
| 20:01.38 | kkrauss | I know guys!! |
| 20:01.39 | kkrauss | jeez |
| 20:01.39 | kkrauss | lol |
| 20:01.44 | amphi | !lol |
| 20:01.44 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:01.51 | dendrite | Oh, not this again. |
| 20:02.05 | itchi | Stop then guys ;-) |
| 20:02.09 | kkrauss | ok it wont mount my drives |
| 20:02.12 | stoned | abrotman, if you understand how hardware works (the general you, as I'm sure _you_ know) and you use a powerful enough OS like *nix/debian, and have a decent enough cooling system, overclocking can be a beautiful thing |
| 20:02.38 | kkrauss | im not going to sto using lol, im already trying to remember to keep using enter to a minimum. ANyway Dendrite I cant get it to mount my drives is that normal for a live cd? |
| 20:02.38 | abrotman | stoned: i don't need it .. i'll stick to small machines that are quiet .. |
| 20:02.46 | itchi | kkrauss: An live cd not need your hdd's, like the content of the cd will be are stored in the memory of the computer |
| 20:02.49 | dendrite | kkrauss: That is probably a good thing in this case. |
| 20:03.02 | kkrauss | its to protect me? |
| 20:03.08 | nonix4 | pumpkin0: well what I did back in '98 was buy the cheapest (newish) processor on the market and overclock it +50%, thus beating out the most expensive one that was available at that time. I don't really know how you're going to get better bang for buck than that... |
| 20:03.29 | dendrite | kkrauss: Yes, and because one might well use a live CD to fix a system, and mounting drives would be very bad. |
| 20:03.30 | fourat | anyone know how to disable Ctrl+alt F1..12 shortcuts to console ? |
| 20:03.37 | kkrauss | dendrite |
| 20:03.41 | kkrauss | how can I tell if im online? |
| 20:03.44 | itchi | kkrauss: It's to avoid to mess up your data, like live cd's is mostly for learning people |
| 20:03.49 | amphi | fourat: there is an x |
| 20:03.53 | Ronin | kkrauss: ping something? go to a website? |
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| 20:03.59 | stew | fourat: /etc/inittab |
| 20:04.04 | itchi | kkrauss: There's no irc client in the live cd |
| 20:04.09 | dendrite | kkrauss: do something that requires that you be online, and see what heppens. |
| 20:04.12 | itchi | nor irssi nor xchat waaaaa |
| 20:04.17 | stoned | right now the core 2 duo X6800 is 999$ or more @ 2.8X GHZ, while the core 2 duo e6600 is 2.4GHZ, and can easily be overclocked to 2.8 on stock air cooling, and 3.0-3.2 with a very good cooling system. Would you rather spend 999$ or would you rather spend 315$ + Cooling supplies for another 99$ at most? |
| 20:04.20 | kkrauss | ok im not htat dumb really |
| 20:04.21 | dendrite | itchi: Seriously?? |
| 20:04.23 | amphi | fourat: er, there is an X config option for that, 'DontSwitchVT' or some such |
| 20:04.24 | itchi | yup |
| 20:04.35 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: did you try to overclock the C3 or C7 ? These things are limited on the FSB, the cache, the fpu ... forget them in the performance-department. The PM on the other side may be worth a shot. |
| 20:04.44 | stoned | it seems to me like the latter is a better idea, then of course, I'm not trying to convice you of anything, merely sharing my view |
| 20:05.00 | itchi | kkrauss: Test out Knoppix, serious, that's an _live_ cd! You will flashing of it! |
| 20:05.32 | kkrauss | itchi you are starting to get on my nerves with that seriously |
| 20:05.35 | kkrauss | brb |
| 20:05.37 | amphi | fourat: yeah, Option "DontVTSwitch" "boolean" |
| 20:05.48 | stoned | with 4 instructions per clock cycle at that 3.0+ clock rate, you just can't go wrong |
| 20:05.52 | stew | stoned: i say take whatever money you were going to spend on cooling and just put it into buying more memory. for me, slow stuff is generally io bound, not cpu bound |
| 20:06.06 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.12 | stoned | stew, well, I've got cash for memory too :) |
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| 20:06.26 | fourat | amphi, where ? |
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| 20:06.33 | amphi | itchi: sysresccd.org iso is a good one |
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| 20:06.56 | amphi | fourat: your X config file, xorg.conf or whatever |
| 20:07.06 | stoned | stew, exactly why I am considering nforce 680i mobo, and I might hold off until I have money enough to buy two nvidia 8800 pcie cards |
| 20:07.09 | itchi | amphi: Yeah :-) i have these in the 'Tools' links on my website :-) |
| 20:08.00 | stoned | afaict, none of the components on that board require special drivers, so debian should run that board fine, right? |
| 20:08.19 | nonix4 | stew: also be aware of the memory/address space issues when going beyond 1GB on 32-bit arch... |
| 20:08.30 | fourat | amphi, grep DontVTSwitch xorg.conf |
| 20:08.32 | fourat | amphi, nothing |
| 20:08.44 | stoned | only thing I can think of is maybe the gb eth, might need drivers, but I dunno how many linux folk own that board |
| 20:08.48 | amphi | itchi: also http://grml.org/ perhaps, I haven't tried that one |
| 20:08.56 | amphi | fourat: so add it |
| 20:09.37 | pumpkin0 | nonix4: isn´t 3 GB the magic size ? (because the PCI works inside 3-3.5 GB ?) |
| 20:09.56 | fourat | :) sorry amphi, 2 days no sleep for me |
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| 20:10.09 | amphi | fourat: heh - what happened? |
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| 20:10.40 | kkrauss | ok |
| 20:10.43 | kkrauss | so I thought I could do this on my own |
| 20:10.47 | fourat | amphi, work work |
| 20:10.53 | kkrauss | but I dont think I can download anything when using the live cd lol |
| 20:11.35 | simon23 | hi - can i install new trutype fonts by just copying them into the /usr/share/trutype directory? or do i have to resart any services or scripts too ? (or even use a special programm )? |
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| 20:12.47 | kkrauss | lost all my support lol |
| 20:13.48 | pumpkin0 | simon23: you will have to restart the X server. |
| 20:13.52 | cahoot | simon23: sarge? |
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| 20:14.18 | simon23 | cahoot: etch |
| 20:14.22 | cahoot | simon23: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and xset fp+? |
| 20:14.28 | itchi | The unofficial live cd's is realy not yet so funny as that knoppix |
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| 20:14.41 | yang | I upgraded kvirc to a newer release, now i cannot minimize windows with escape key :/ |
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| 20:14.47 | itchi | Maybe that the reason that it is un officially :-p |
| 20:15.04 | simon23 | cahoot: guess i should install fontconfig first :-) |
| 20:15.13 | stew | itchi: i don't think funny means what you think it means |
| 20:15.21 | cahoot | simon23: try fc-cache -fv |
| 20:15.37 | itchi | stew: Yeah, 'usefull' would be many more appropriated |
| 20:15.42 | kkrauss | itchi |
| 20:15.47 | kkrauss | oh nevermind I wont understand you anyway lol |
| 20:16.05 | itchi | There's missing some basic tools on it |
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| 20:16.18 | simon23 | cahoot: he gave me some dir's listed.. |
| 20:16.49 | simon23 | cahoot: he also said 'error scanning' for every directory :-/ |
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| 20:17.34 | bokey | simon23# are you installing fonts ? |
| 20:18.00 | simon23 | bokey: i would like to - but have no clue... |
| 20:18.07 | bokey | simon23# mv the fonts to ~/.fonts/ and run fc-cache -fv in that directory. =) |
| 20:18.17 | kkrauss | ok what irc client should I use for debian? |
| 20:18.26 | blondie | kkrauss: irssi |
| 20:18.30 | bokey | kkrauss# any decent one, irssi, xchat, bitchx =) |
| 20:18.32 | amphi | kkrauss: irssi is pleasant |
| 20:18.38 | simon23 | okay - will try that. then they are only for my user - right ? |
| 20:18.40 | kkrauss | bitchx? hahahhahahaah |
| 20:18.50 | kkrauss | ok heres a stupid question |
| 20:18.58 | simon23 | kkraus: use konversation ! |
| 20:19.04 | bokey | simon23# yeah.. if you want system-wide then /usr/share/fonts/myfonts_or_something |
| 20:19.22 | simon23 | bokey: thanks a lot! |
| 20:19.25 | kkrauss | I remember back in the day if you had enough memory you could make a virtual drive out of it, can I still do that?? the reason im asking is because im using live cd and need to download the source code so I can try to run irssi |
| 20:19.33 | bokey | simon23# np |
| 20:19.51 | stew | kkrauss: you don't have a hard drive you could use? |
| 20:19.55 | stoned | kkrauss, only useful in microsoft windows env. |
| 20:20.06 | kkrauss | stew you cant mount your hd using the live cd |
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| 20:20.12 | stew | kkrauss: why not? |
| 20:20.16 | abrotman | you can too |
| 20:20.17 | amphi | kkrauss: usb stick? |
| 20:20.19 | kkrauss | its a safety precaution im guessing |
| 20:20.21 | stoned | kkrauss, virtual ramdisks are useless in linux, as linux memory management is superior to windows' |
| 20:20.25 | kkrauss | abrotman no you cant |
| 20:20.28 | stoned | is that what you're asking? |
| 20:20.30 | abrotman | i just did it the other day |
| 20:20.32 | stoned | now I'm ocnfused |
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| 20:20.34 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | redo! |
| 20:20.47 | stew | kkrauss: why can't you? |
| 20:20.55 | stew | kkrauss: what happens when you try? do you get an error? |
| 20:20.58 | kkrauss | it simply wont let you |
| 20:21.05 | kkrauss | hold on let me go back |
| 20:21.08 | Ronin | kkrauss: sure you can, ive used knoppix and mounted ntfs and ext drives, what errors are you getting |
| 20:21.22 | kkrauss | im not using knoppix |
| 20:21.32 | abrotman | best troll ever? :) |
| 20:21.41 | stoned | lol |
| 20:21.41 | Ronin | doesnt matter kkrauss same process |
| 20:21.44 | kkrauss | im not a freaking troll jerk |
| 20:21.47 | kkrauss | !livecd |
| 20:21.47 | Ronin | abrotman: looking that way doesnt it |
| 20:21.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 20:22.04 | kkrauss | ya know what forget all of you you guys are jerks ill just get help from dendrite when he comes back |
| 20:22.13 | itchi | Ronin: :-p |
| 20:22.14 | stoned | what, jerk a freaking troll |
| 20:22.15 | abrotman | Ronin: considering it's been going on for two days? and after i pointed him to #debian-live to get help with the livecd and he never went there ... |
| 20:22.18 | stoned | ew ;) |
| 20:22.19 | Ronin | heh i just heard 100 /ignore |
| 20:22.23 | amphi | kkrauss: what are you raving about? |
| 20:22.28 | bokey | kkrauss# take it easy. will ya ? |
| 20:22.35 | stew | kkrauss: since one of the guidelines for the debian-live project is that they only use unmodified debs there should be no reason that you couldn't mount a partition |
| 20:22.41 | abrotman | Ronin: and the constant name calling :) |
| 20:22.45 | kkrauss | im being called a troll because I cant get my drives to mount when using the live cd |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | no .. that's not why |
| 20:22.57 | stew | kkrauss: drop it and move on |
| 20:22.58 | stoned | I would very much like to mount a troll |
| 20:23.01 | stew | kkrauss: why can't you mount |
| 20:23.01 | kkrauss | stew whether you are right or wrong on that doesnt make me a troll because I havent figured it out yet |
| 20:23.02 | tolecnal | kkrauss: what's the bug up yer arse? |
| 20:23.02 | Ronin | no thats not way kkrauss |
| 20:23.04 | stoned | I don't know why I just said that |
| 20:23.07 | stoned | :( |
| 20:23.13 | stew | kkrauss: i never called you a troll, please drop it |
| 20:23.18 | kkrauss | stew I tried to tell you then was called a troll, thanks for doing your duties btw |
| 20:23.20 | stew | kkrauss: what is preventing you from mounting |
| 20:23.26 | bokey | stoned# =) u are probably stoned hehe.. =) |
| 20:23.30 | stoned | lol |
| 20:23.34 | kkrauss | ok stew well tell the rest to back off |
| 20:23.51 | stoned | as long as you have a legal mountpoint, you can mount anything you want |
| 20:23.51 | kkrauss | I am using the desktop iso, it automatically loads gnome etc etc |
| 20:23.51 | abrotman | !nopony omgponiezlol |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | omgponiezlol: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 20:23.53 | Ronin | kkrauss: what wont let yo mount the harrive? |
| 20:23.58 | amphi | stoned: about your repressed troll-mounting desires? |
| 20:24.08 | kkrauss | stil going on about freaking trolls |
| 20:24.09 | stoned | lol |
| 20:24.17 | stew | kkrauss: use /ignore |
| 20:24.23 | stoned | dude, I, man.. lol, I'm gonna shush |
| 20:24.26 | dererk[work] | Hi again :-) |
| 20:24.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:24.31 | Ronin | bah, to heck with it |
| 20:24.40 | abrotman | !be a curling barbie |
| 20:24.40 | dpkg | Aww, curling is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 20:24.43 | amphi | stoned: those feeling are perfectly normal in a young man... |
| 20:24.52 | stoned | dude, lol |
| 20:24.53 | bokey | stoned# can u dcc some gees ? |
| 20:25.05 | kkrauss | so stew I checked to make sure my net worked and that was fine and I started searching for a place to get irc clients |
| 20:25.21 | dererk[work] | I'm trying to make a tarballl from the whole filesystem, and I need to exclude some useless big files |
| 20:25.57 | kkrauss | but to make sure I could download I wanted to make sure my drive was mounted, so I clicked on computer and click on HP_Pavilion and get this: |
| 20:26.06 | kkrauss | "unable to mount the selected volume |
| 20:26.08 | simon23 | bokey: could you help me again ? that didnt work. |
| 20:26.08 | kkrauss | " |
| 20:26.13 | sparrw | Can anyone verify that Mozilla Thunderbird does [not?] have its icon in the top left corner of the window when installed from the package? |
| 20:26.15 | kkrauss | WHen I click on show more details I get this: |
| 20:26.16 | stew | kkrauss: only root can mount |
| 20:26.36 | stoned | sparr, check debian bts |
| 20:26.37 | dererk[work] | I add them to a file "exclussions", so I use tar with --exclude=`cat ~/exclusions` |
| 20:26.37 | kkrauss | ok well that is the C drive in windows |
| 20:26.42 | sparrw | stoned: i am, responding slow |
| 20:26.46 | bokey | simon23# no. i have no clue now. =) |
| 20:26.48 | stew | kkrauss: try mounting it as root |
| 20:26.50 | kkrauss | its hda2 from my live cd though? |
| 20:26.55 | stoned | sparr, also, specify your package version please |
| 20:26.56 | dererk[work] | But the file seems to be too big, 'cause it says: bash: /bin/tar: Argument list too long |
| 20:27.04 | simon23 | bokey: okay. |
| 20:27.04 | kkrauss | error device dev/hda2 is not removable |
| 20:27.08 | abrotman | is it NTFS ? |
| 20:27.10 | stew | kkrauss: 'fdisk -l' will list the known partitions |
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| 20:27.17 | dererk[work] | Do you know how could I do it in other way using just tar? |
| 20:27.36 | stew | kkrauss: yes, becuase its trying to use pmount which is the only way a user (read: non-root) is allowed to mount, and pmount is only willing to allow a user to mount a removable device |
| 20:27.38 | kkrauss | ok how do I get to a command prompt from the desktop? |
| 20:27.52 | simon23 | can anyone tell me how to install some tt fonts ? |
| 20:27.57 | asg | kkrauss: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:28.05 | asg | kkrauss: or chvt 1 (from a terminal window) |
| 20:28.14 | kkrauss | ahh thank you |
| 20:28.22 | simon23 | have them in ~/.fonts but fc-cache -fv failed. |
| 20:28.22 | stew | asg: well chvt is chicken and egg here ;) |
| 20:28.24 | sparrw | stoned: it seems, from reading OTHER icon-related bugs, that the icon works for others |
| 20:28.33 | stoned | kkrauss, alt + ctrl + f7 to go back to X |
| 20:28.37 | kkrauss | fdisk -l? |
| 20:28.39 | dererk[work] | abrotman, do you? :-) |
| 20:28.40 | stoned | asg, hey bro, long time no see |
| 20:28.43 | asg | stoned: hiya |
| 20:28.49 | asg | stew: :) |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | dererk[work]: ? |
| 20:28.53 | kkrauss | fdisk -l is command not found |
| 20:28.54 | stoned | asg, hows life buddy |
| 20:29.01 | sparrw | stoned: as to package version, thats where i have to head to #ubuntu :) |
| 20:29.05 | asg | stoned: pretty good all things considered. You? |
| 20:29.10 | dererk[work] | <dererk[work]> I'm trying to make a tarball from the whole filesystem, and I need to exclude some useless big files |
| 20:29.13 | dererk[work] | <dererk[work]> I add them to a file "exclussions", so I use tar with --exclude=`cat ~/exclusions` |
| 20:29.15 | stew | kkrauss: its in /sbin/ |
| 20:29.19 | dererk[work] | <dererk[work]> But the file seems to be too big, 'cause it says: bash: /bin/tar: Argument list too long |
| 20:29.23 | stoned | sparrw, naughty boy :) |
| 20:29.25 | kkrauss | ahh I remember that |
| 20:29.29 | abrotman | dererk[work]: never seen that |
| 20:29.29 | kkrauss | stew this is off topic |
| 20:29.30 | dererk[work] | abrotman, <dererk[work]> Do you know how could I do it in other way using just tar? |
| 20:29.35 | stew | kkrauss: what is? |
| 20:29.35 | abrotman | cpio ? |
| 20:29.39 | kkrauss | but isnt there a way to make it so any command in sbin can be typed in any directory? |
| 20:29.44 | stoned | asg, I could complain, but thats also useless |
| 20:29.46 | kkrauss | that seems very familiar to me |
| 20:29.50 | stoned | asg, other than that, I'm dandy |
| 20:29.53 | dererk[work] | :-\ |
| 20:29.56 | stoned | :D |
| 20:29.56 | asg | stoned: cool |
| 20:29.59 | blondie | kkrauss: add it to you path? |
| 20:30.00 | stew | !debwiki kkrauss DotFiles |
| 20:30.00 | dpkg | kkrauss: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 20:30.19 | abrotman | dererk[work]: rsync |
| 20:30.20 | kkrauss | so yes |
| 20:30.23 | stew | kkrauss: you'd have to alter the PATH variable. but i guess that would be silly from a livecd |
| 20:30.52 | kkrauss | no I know |
| 20:30.58 | kkrauss | but I think I remember how to do it a lot is comming back |
| 20:31.05 | kkrauss | ok get ready to call me a troll again |
| 20:31.16 | stoned | thats uncalled for |
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| 20:31.24 | kkrauss | im in the sbin directory, I even did an ls to make sure fdisk was in there, I type the command and it still says command not found? |
| 20:31.44 | silitek | derek --exclude takes a filename as the argument, not the contents of the exclusion file |
| 20:31.46 | azeem | kkrauss: ./fdisk |
| 20:32.03 | kkrauss | no such file or directory |
| 20:32.04 | azeem | kkrauss: the current directory isn't necessarily searched either |
| 20:32.13 | stew | kkrauss: the current directory isn't in your path either, putting it there would be a large security risk |
| 20:32.14 | azeem | kkrauss: ls -l fdisk? |
| 20:32.21 | itchi | kkrauss: /sbin/fdisk |
| 20:32.22 | silitek | --exclude-from=<filename> |
| 20:32.45 | stoned | need root for fdisk, no |
| 20:32.53 | kkrauss | fdisk is not a directory |
| 20:33.01 | kkrauss | im super confused |
| 20:33.03 | itchi | stoned: Not in that live cd it's looks |
| 20:33.18 | stew | kkrauss: run "sudo fdisk -l" |
| 20:33.19 | kkrauss | I did ls -l fdisk but not sure how to read it |
| 20:33.20 | bokey | hehehe =) |
| 20:33.28 | azeem | kkrauss: 21:22 < itchi> kkrauss: /sbin/fdisk |
| 20:33.33 | azeem | that should be fine |
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| 20:33.51 | kkrauss | ok I typed that in |
| 20:33.58 | kkrauss | and it didnt do anything just went to the next line |
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| 20:34.15 | kkrauss | wait I got something |
| 20:34.19 | kkrauss | but it wouldnt do the -l |
| 20:34.38 | stew | kkrauss: run "sudo fdisk -l", it would make it clear which partition is which |
| 20:34.49 | dererk[work] | silitek, sorry, I'm dererk[work] and my xchat didn't highlight the comment :) |
| 20:34.58 | dererk[work] | silitek, Ok, I'm going to check that |
| 20:35.37 | kkrauss | ok stew but why isnt fdisk -l working?? |
| 20:36.09 | stew | kkrauss: becuase you need to be root. i'm sorry i had forgotten that before |
| 20:36.16 | kkrauss | so im not crazy ok |
| 20:36.20 | kkrauss | I ran sudo fdisk -l |
| 20:36.26 | kkrauss | what information do you need? |
| 20:36.41 | silitek | dererk[work]: the list of patterns in the file youre catting is too long for the shell.. just use --exclude-from=filename instead of --exclude=pattern list |
| 20:36.53 | stew | kkrauss: do you have a linux partition available that you could mount? |
| 20:36.55 | dererk[work] | silitek, yes, you're right! |
| 20:37.02 | kkrauss | no stew I told you that |
| 20:37.06 | itchi | Looks like the disk not detected or so?? I'm with qemu and also got no output with fdisk, but have not make an virtual hdd for that live cd |
| 20:37.09 | kkrauss | im all windows running live cd? |
| 20:37.12 | dererk[work] | silitek, I didn't realise how big it was :-0 |
| 20:37.18 | stew | kkrauss: do you have a fat32 partition? |
| 20:37.25 | silitek | heh |
| 20:37.26 | kkrauss | yes stew but thats what im worried about |
| 20:37.29 | kkrauss | im not suposed to lol |
| 20:37.46 | kkrauss | but hda1 from 1 to 974 block is a fat 32 partition |
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| 20:37.55 | stew | kkrauss: i don't recall you telling me that. i recall you telling me that you had a hard disk that you could use except for the fact that your live cd wouldn't allow you to mount anything |
| 20:38.18 | kkrauss | I tried tellingyou it was normal to not be able to mount |
| 20:38.22 | kkrauss | because thats what I was told, |
| 20:38.29 | stew | kkrauss: ok. that isn't true |
| 20:38.31 | kkrauss | I dont know any better and you said different so I started doing what you told me to do |
| 20:39.10 | kkrauss | dudes |
| 20:39.20 | kkrauss | when I wswitched back to caspoer onlive or whatever |
| 20:39.22 | kkrauss | its asking me for a pw! |
| 20:39.26 | IamEthos | how do I tell abiword to print to the CUPS server? |
| 20:39.59 | kkrauss | this is frustrating lol |
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| 20:40.26 | kkrauss | I never set up a pw but its asking me for one |
| 20:40.42 | azeem | kkrauss: maybe read the documentation |
| 20:40.48 | azeem | it might be covered |
| 20:40.49 | kkrauss | well I cant now! lol |
| 20:40.50 | stew | kkrauss: http://live.debian.net/wiki/FAQ |
| 20:40.57 | kkrauss | alright brb |
| 20:41.03 | kkrauss | so stew is this the buttom line |
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| 20:41.11 | kkrauss | since im using live cd with no ext partitions |
| 20:41.20 | kkrauss | im not going to be able to download source code for progs to test them out? |
| 20:41.25 | kkrauss | only the things that are already on the live cd? |
| 20:42.01 | krazykit | most liveCDs don't have gcc on them anyway |
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| 20:42.12 | stew | kkrauss: you can download source code and test, but you will lose everything when you reboot unless you use a partition on a hard disk/ usb key /or something |
| 20:42.22 | kkrauss | d |
| 20:42.24 | javaJake | Hello. |
| 20:42.36 | kkrauss | thats where im confused, how can I download if I dont have a partition to download it to? |
| 20:42.40 | bokey | kkrauss# what about cfdisk. try it. =) |
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| 20:43.08 | stew | kkrauss: in /tmp which is memory backed |
| 20:43.17 | kkrauss | and thats what I was asking before |
| 20:43.20 | bokey | kkrauss# got it ? have you tried other partition manager ? |
| 20:43.21 | kkrauss | lol |
| 20:43.44 | kkrauss | bokey im not quite ready for that, when I set up the desktop i mgoing to actually install debian on im going to shrink my ntfs partition down with partition magic |
| 20:43.45 | javaJake | Debian policy dictates that I'm not allowed to use bash in /etc/init.d scripts. This creates a huge issue for me. I want to be able to read one character of user input, but also have a timeout of 3 seconds. How can I do this under sh? |
| 20:44.08 | kkrauss | iirsi is that what everyone said to use? |
| 20:44.12 | Boglizk | I'm going to install Debian, do i have to remove Ubuntu first or can the installer clean the partition and install in its place? |
| 20:44.15 | Phated | irssi, kkrauss? |
| 20:44.25 | kkrauss | irc client for debian? |
| 20:44.30 | Phated | irssi. |
| 20:44.39 | Boglizk | irssi is an irc client, not just for Debian :P |
| 20:44.46 | azeem | Boglizk: sure, you can just tell it to use the whole disc |
| 20:44.49 | azeem | disk |
| 20:45.01 | Boglizk | I dont want that, what about my Windows partition? |
| 20:45.08 | itchi | kkrauss: It's not available irssi on that live cd |
| 20:45.19 | kkrauss | itchi im downloading it |
| 20:45.22 | kkrauss | the source code |
| 20:45.24 | azeem | Boglizk: then select the manual partitioning |
| 20:45.25 | itchi | ug |
| 20:45.29 | Boglizk | I meant just clear everything ON the partition, not the partition itself, sorry :p |
| 20:45.33 | kkrauss | thats what this WHOLE last 45 minutes was about |
| 20:45.45 | azeem | kkrauss: eh? |
| 20:45.54 | azeem | kkrauss: your goal is to compile irssi on the live cd? |
| 20:45.55 | kkrauss | what/???? |
| 20:45.58 | bokey | Boglizk# you don't have to delete Ubuntu. if you don't need it, the install process will take care for you. |
| 20:46.09 | kkrauss | look guys |
| 20:46.15 | kkrauss | you guys all really need to come up with a unified front |
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| 20:46.22 | Boglizk | Good, how will this affect the Grub loader? |
| 20:46.22 | kkrauss | one minute im told I cant the next I can the next I cant |
| 20:46.24 | kkrauss | what is it? |
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| 20:46.30 | azeem | kkrauss: can what? |
| 20:46.38 | kkrauss | dodwnload source code! |
| 20:46.43 | azeem | sure you can |
| 20:46.48 | azeem | the question is: does it make sense? |
| 20:46.52 | kkrauss | so if I can download it I can compile it right? |
| 20:46.53 | stew | kkrauss: i don't see anyone telling you you can't |
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| 20:47.08 | azeem | kkrauss: if you have a compiler on the live cd |
| 20:47.14 | kkrauss | oh wheres dendrite when I need him |
| 20:47.18 | azeem | or if you bootstrap gcc first |
| 20:47.21 | kkrauss | ok azeem how do I find that out? |
| 20:47.28 | bokey | kkrauss# is gcc available first ? if not you can't compile it. |
| 20:47.30 | azeem | kkrauss: type "gcc" |
| 20:47.50 | kkrauss | gcc command not found |
| 20:47.53 | itchi | azeem: Not available |
| 20:47.53 | kkrauss | im in the /sbin directory |
| 20:47.54 | javaJake | DOes anyone know how to accept user input under an sh script? It's got to be timed, and I'd like there to be a limit of one character. |
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| 20:48.08 | azeem | kkrauss: no compiler then |
| 20:48.13 | azeem | which makes sense for a live cvd |
| 20:48.15 | azeem | eh, cd |
| 20:48.25 | kkrauss | which basically leads me back to my original assumptions lol |
| 20:48.34 | kkrauss | and I just wasted an hour haha |
| 20:48.38 | asg | javaJake: google for the advanced bash guide, it has an example iirc. Also #bash's channel faq probably covers it as well. |
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| 20:48.45 | bokey | !livecd > kkraus |
| 20:48.59 | javaJake | asg: Problem. I cannot use bash under /etc/init.d scripts. I have to use SH. |
| 20:49.00 | javaJake | :( |
| 20:49.06 | stew | kkrauss: i don't know why you'd want to comile irssi in the first place, why not just use the debian package? or find a livecd that has the software you actually want to use? |
| 20:49.09 | kkrauss | so no other eway for me to test out an irc client with the live cd then? |
| 20:49.25 | azeem | kkrauss: aren't there any *on* the live cd? |
| 20:49.37 | kkrauss | Stew the live cd I have from that site has everything all the other packages have |
| 20:49.39 | Boglizk | bokey: Will the installer also take care of the Grub loader? I've heard the system goes unbotable if you mess up... |
| 20:49.39 | itchi | kkrauss: I already told you to try out Knoppix, that's an _live_ cd |
| 20:49.47 | asg | javaJake: the concepts will be similar though |
| 20:49.49 | kkrauss | azeem let me double check my apps |
| 20:49.55 | kkrauss | itchi you got so mad at me for this you ignored me |
| 20:50.00 | bokey | Boglizk# yes it will. |
| 20:50.06 | kkrauss | I freaking told you I dont want to use knoppix yet I want to test out these new live cds from debian!!! |
| 20:50.10 | javaJake | asg: "read -t3 -s" does not work under sh. |
| 20:50.21 | Boglizk | Then i'll just finish reading the manual and i'll install, hooray. |
| 20:50.23 | azeem | kkrauss: sure, test them out |
| 20:50.27 | hans0lo | I was reading the man page for /etc/network/interfaces, and I have a question on the hwaddress statement: does this set the hwaddress, or does it assign a specific network card to eth0, eth1, etc? |
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| 20:50.32 | Boglizk | then install* |
| 20:50.34 | itchi | azeem: That live cd lack many stuff. Maybe that the reason why that project is unofficially of Debian right now. I think the project is been very under developpment (or should be) |
| 20:50.36 | kkrauss | thank you last night thats what people were encouraging me to do because they are new |
| 20:50.38 | azeem | kkrauss: but they are work-in-progress, don't expect everything |
| 20:51.01 | itchi | kkrauss: I can read, i have been read what you have told before i have ignore you |
| 20:51.01 | bokey | Boglizk# if you just press return key about 50-60 times during installation, even then it's pretty safe. =) |
| 20:51.05 | azeem | kkrauss: do you have a regular Debian isntall? |
| 20:51.08 | kkrauss | yes itchi and if pepole like you and I dont test them out they are going to take even longer to fnish, you have been SHOVING knoppix down my throat for 2 dyas now and getting mad at me for saying NO! |
| 20:51.18 | asg | javaJake: is this something you are officially packaging for Debian? Otherwise, you can do what you want with local /etc/init.d scripts. |
| 20:51.22 | kkrauss | no I know azeem thats what im doing now figuring out what I can and cannot do with them! |
| 20:51.24 | Phated | kkrauss: Chill. |
| 20:51.41 | azeem | kkrauss: I can't parse that reply |
| 20:51.45 | kkrauss | being as I know very little its my way of contributing to debian so when other novices come in and ask questions about the live cd ill actually have something valid to add |
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| 20:51.59 | javaJake | asg: No, I am not doing anything official. However the README in /etc/init.d says I must have #!/bin/sh at the top - effectively restricting bash use. |
| 20:51.59 | Boglizk | bokey: Thats good to hear, but i dont think the Debian will be much harder than Ubuntu.. |
| 20:52.02 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 20:52.02 | Phated | azeem: "No, I don't have a debian install, I'm trying to figure out what the live cds can do". |
| 20:52.11 | DevilChaos | !apt key |
| 20:52.17 | bokey | Boglizk# it's pretty similar. |
| 20:52.22 | Phated | DevilChaos: Try /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 20:52.26 | stew | itchi: please stop recommending knoppix to kkrauss. i think it is clear that you think he shoudl use it and it is also clear that he doesn't want to use it |
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| 20:52.34 | stew | kkrauss: please /ignore itchi |
| 20:52.39 | itchi | stew: Yup, your right |
| 20:52.41 | asg | javaJake: that's a guideline for official packagers. You can use /bin/bash if you want. |
| 20:52.49 | javaJake | Oh, YAY! |
| 20:52.49 | kkrauss | thank you thats all im saying, no I like itchi he has been very helpful but he wont let off the knoppix lol |
| 20:52.50 | javaJake | :P |
| 20:52.55 | javaJake | Thanks |
| 20:52.58 | asg | javaJake: it's your system, you get to make the rules |
| 20:53.03 | javaJake | :) |
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| 20:53.19 | Phated | asg: Not if the rules involve removing /bin ;) |
| 20:53.21 | kkrauss | Now if my live cd has any type of irc client what wone do you think it would be? |
| 20:53.32 | azeem | kkrauss: does it run GNOME? |
| 20:53.32 | Phated | kkrauss: Check your menus, or try the apropos command. |
| 20:53.50 | itchi | I also not always listen to people from the first time, but the 2 or maybe 3, sure i do it |
| 20:53.55 | kkrauss | the only thing ive found so far is Gaim |
| 20:53.58 | asg | Phated: well, one would hope /bin would be available :) |
| 20:53.58 | azeem | kkrauss: valid candidates are xchat and kopete |
| 20:54.08 | stew | kkrauss: gaim is an irc client |
| 20:54.13 | Phated | asg: Yeah, usually :) |
| 20:54.14 | kkrauss | it is? |
| 20:54.17 | stew | kkrauss: yes |
| 20:54.20 | kkrauss | im sorry I thought it wa AIM for linux |
| 20:54.24 | stew | kkrauss: it is |
| 20:54.26 | azeem | it can act like one at least |
| 20:54.27 | kkrauss | come on honest mistake lol |
| 20:54.28 | asg | Phated: otherwise, someone did something really silly |
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| 20:54.38 | Phated | kkrauss: It's multi-protocol. MSN, Yahoo!, AIM, IRC, Jabber. |
| 20:54.40 | bokey | kkrauss# is your problem solved ? |
| 20:54.45 | Phated | And also ICQ, prolly. |
| 20:54.55 | kkrauss | omg |
| 20:54.57 | kkrauss | gaim is awesome |
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| 20:55.13 | whadar | gaim is the best! |
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| 20:55.17 | kkrauss | bokey I just wanted to set a goal and accomplish it, the goal was to get into this channel using debian |
| 20:55.17 | Boglizk | Yep, Gaim is roxxor enough to have a Windows version \o/ |
| 20:55.19 | Cooner750_ | Any video conversion programs that can convert WMV to AVI? |
| 20:55.34 | tonyb2006 | Cooner750_: mencoder |
| 20:55.43 | kkrauss | what server is this again lol |
| 20:55.46 | tonyb2006 | if mplayer can play it, mencoder caan encode it |
| 20:55.53 | azeem | kkrauss: irc.freenode.net |
| 20:55.54 | tonyb2006 | kkrauss: freenode? |
| 20:55.56 | Phated | kkrauss: Freenode. irc.freenode.net. And stop using lol. |
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| 20:56.20 | kkrauss | I was kidding! and sorry thats the one th ing I wont change is lol |
| 20:56.29 | vladi_ | hi, i am having perfocrmance issues with a 15 disk 400 GB each raid 5 storage array and NFS? The files are mostly very small and only around 40 big files per hour can someone recommend some performance tips? |
| 20:56.35 | tonyb2006 | you can tell it apart from oftc because it mentions lilo in the topic here |
| 20:56.41 | Phated | !lol |
| 20:56.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:57.01 | kkrauss | and I dont really care :) you are about the 20th person to try and change me and you wont :) |
| 20:57.02 | cydork | kkrauss, you were here yesterday righh?? |
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| 20:57.08 | Phated | Besides that, using it as punctuation is moronic. |
| 20:57.10 | tonyb2006 | the topic should probobly mention "http://freenode.net/news-2006-09-23.shtml" |
| 20:57.12 | TiKiTaKi | hello |
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| 20:57.16 | DevilChaos | what package is for the GL screen savers? |
| 20:57.22 | tonyb2006 | xscreensaver-gl? |
| 20:57.25 | kkrauss | so is resorting to insulting people for writing lol :) |
| 20:57.25 | Hoxzer | TiKiTaKi: you have a cute name <3 |
| 20:57.39 | scratched | berk |
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| 20:57.46 | Phated | Heh. |
| 20:57.48 | TiKiTaKi | am, how to add something to startup in debian ? there isnt any rc.local |
| 20:57.52 | Phated | DevilChaos: apt-cache search? :) |
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| 20:58.01 | Narutosan | Ididit!! |
| 20:58.02 | asg | Hoxzer: yours, on the other hand, sounds like the morning sounds made after a night of beer and cigs. |
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| 20:58.18 | DevilChaos | because i want the one of the matrix back that i had ages ago not the one that just scrolls down but the really flash one |
| 20:58.19 | asg | TiKiTaKi: /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:58.19 | Hoxzer | asg: :D so sex |
| 20:58.20 | Hoxzer | y |
| 20:58.27 | Narutosan | I am on irc with debian |
| 20:58.31 | Narutosan | thats so cool to me |
| 20:58.46 | TiKiTaKi | asg ok |
| 20:58.49 | Phated | DevilChaos: Heh, gl-matrix? It rules :) |
| 20:58.52 | kkrauss | wow gaim is a better client than mirc |
| 20:58.57 | asg | TiKiTaKi: also, /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 20:59.11 | DevilChaos | yup yup |
| 20:59.13 | kkrauss | my next goal for debian, download porn!! |
| 20:59.20 | Phated | Er, -anything- is a better client than mirc. |
| 20:59.26 | asg | kkrauss: /msg dpkg lesbian |
| 20:59.27 | DevilChaos | no porn sady |
| 20:59.32 | Phated | kkrauss: Firefox, bittorent. <shrug> |
| 20:59.37 | bokey | kkrauss# when you do, post back the links. =) |
| 20:59.42 | kkrauss | hahahahahaha |
| 20:59.49 | chrstianwolf | âš¡âš¡ |
| 20:59.49 | kkrauss | phated firefox and bittorent? |
| 20:59.57 | Phated | asg: D'you deel like the S/N has just gone way down? |
| 20:59.58 | itchi | bokey: Just do an google search on tgp ;-) |
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| 21:00.13 | Phated | kkrauss: What, you don't know how to use a web browser and a torrent client? |
| 21:00.19 | asg | Phated: yeah, but I started it I think :/ |
| 21:00.20 | kkrauss | no I do actually |
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| 21:00.26 | Phated | asg: No, you didn't. |
| 21:00.35 | Phated | kkrauss: So why d'you need to reconfirm "firefox and bittorrent"? |
| 21:00.37 | kkrauss | but I said something about irc then you said firefox and bittorent? |
| 21:00.46 | kkrauss | Firefox is a web browser |
| 21:00.49 | Phated | kkrauss: No, you said download porn. |
| 21:00.51 | Phated | Moron. |
| 21:00.55 | chrstianwolf | âš¡orry guyâš¡, but do you know how to âš¡tart firefox 2.0? |
| 21:00.56 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 21:00.57 | kkrauss | moron? |
| 21:01.01 | chrstianwolf | i only got firefox 1.5 |
| 21:01.01 | stew | Phated: please don't |
| 21:01.06 | kkrauss | you really think thats called for? |
| 21:01.13 | Phated | Oh, ffs. |
| 21:01.24 | DevilChaos | !lol |
| 21:01.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:01.37 | kkrauss | Some people around here need anger management classes seriously |
| 21:01.40 | Phated | Isn't Firefox2.0 the one where you have to use iceweasel? |
| 21:01.51 | stew | Phated: neither are in debian yet |
| 21:01.54 | cydork | kkrauss, you were here yesterday too.. right? |
| 21:01.57 | Phated | stew: Ah-hah. |
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| 21:02.06 | Phated | Heh, says the person who was typing in caps and multiple-exclaiming. |
| 21:02.07 | kkrauss | at night when I was downloading the live cd yes |
| 21:02.09 | asg | kkrauss: to be fair, some people have seen the same stuff for years and are getting a little tired of it |
| 21:02.25 | pickcoder-wrk | s/years/eons |
| 21:02.35 | kkrauss | Yes but I did nothing to deserve being called a moron, I misunderstood something so you call mea moron? thats juvenile. |
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| 21:02.44 | Phated | Oh, cry me a river. |
| 21:02.48 | DevilChaos | phated:? |
| 21:03.02 | DevilChaos | caps and exclimstion? |
| 21:03.02 | Phated | chrstianwolf: Ehm, something wrong with your keyboard layout? Your "s"s are coming across as little squares with smilies in them. Cute, but... not useful :) |
| 21:03.06 | azeem | kkrauss: get over it |
| 21:03.08 | Phated | DevilChaos: Not you, irrelevant. |
| 21:03.22 | kkrauss | another internet tough guy, the guy who will say anything online but in person a different story lol |
| 21:03.24 | stew | kkrauss: why am i now telling you for like the tenth time today to drop it and move on |
| 21:03.54 | Phated | Eh, I'd say anything in person too. Unfortunately, you're nowhere near enough for me to call you one to your face. |
| 21:04.00 | stew | Phated: drop it |
| 21:04.02 | kkrauss | oh I love how things work on irc its quite amusing |
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| 21:04.14 | whadar | kkrauss: know what's PITA? |
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| 21:04.31 | netcrash | while compiling the kernel on debian I have this result cc1: error: code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
| 21:04.35 | netcrash | cc1: sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in |
| 21:04.40 | netcrash | have to do it in 32 bit ? |
| 21:04.45 | cydork | kkrauss, which cd you downloaded? |
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| 21:05.01 | Phated | stew: <shrug> |
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| 21:05.21 | DevilChaos | is there a key for debian multimedia.org? |
| 21:05.22 | kkrauss | desktop it has the most of them all |
| 21:05.32 | stew | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 21:05.41 | pickcoder | netcrash: a little more info might be helpful, like which release of debian you're on and which specific kernel source you're compiling |
| 21:05.59 | chrstianwolf | ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ -> ☺ |
| 21:06.11 | stoned | ugh |
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| 21:06.32 | chrstianwolf | ♡♡♡♡♡ |
| 21:06.35 | Phated | chrstianwolf: Can't see anything readable. Bunch of circles and a smiley. You won't make a lot of sense that way. |
| 21:06.39 | stoned | stop it |
| 21:06.46 | Phated | stoned: charsetwars :) |
| 21:06.49 | Phated | (.pl) |
| 21:06.52 | DevilChaos | c t y |
| 21:06.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:07.00 | stew | chrstianwolf: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 21:07.16 | stew | chrstianwolf: if so, ask it in ascii. otherwise, please move on |
| 21:07.36 | Phated | stew: He did, re. FF2.0. |
| 21:07.39 | blondie | stew: can't you guess what the question marks mean? :) |
| 21:07.42 | kkrauss | any of you guys use azureus or just stick to gnome bt? |
| 21:07.51 | stoned | I use ktorrent |
| 21:07.52 | blondie | kkrauss: i use azureus |
| 21:07.53 | stoned | kde > * |
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| 21:08.01 | purple | hi all |
| 21:08.03 | kkrauss | yah ive never used antyhing else |
| 21:08.03 | stoned | imo, to me kde is bomb |
| 21:08.13 | kkrauss | I think id rather stick with that on my linux system |
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| 21:08.28 | CharminTheMoose | windowmaker ftw! |
| 21:08.31 | stoned | I actually love using bittornado-gui |
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| 21:08.34 | CharminTheMoose | anywho |
| 21:08.34 | stew | kkrauss: there is zero chance that a non-free java implementation is going to be on that live cd |
| 21:08.34 | purple | can somebody tell me where to find a good updated sources.list? |
| 21:08.35 | stoned | pygtk based |
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| 21:08.45 | kkrauss | I know that stew :) |
| 21:09.00 | kkrauss | im saying when I do an install and am really ready to start learning |
| 21:09.03 | Boglizk | I use µTorrent... i like it :p |
| 21:09.14 | stoned | how do you make the u char? |
| 21:09.24 | DevilChaos | tank ku |
| 21:09.26 | Boglizk | Alt Gr + M |
| 21:09.28 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 21:09.39 | stoned | what does it stand for? alt + what + M? |
| 21:09.42 | kkrauss | well I know AZ I give a lot of help with it in az channels |
| 21:09.46 | stoned | Gr? |
| 21:09.46 | Boglizk | Depends on your keyboard layout/charset i would assume.. |
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| 21:09.58 | Vich | hey, I'm using debian etch |
| 21:10.01 | stew | stoned: atl-gr is a key that your us mapped keyboard doesn't have |
| 21:10.04 | purple | can somebody tell me where to find a good updated sources.list? |
| 21:10.06 | kkrauss | been using it forever and know the ins and outs of tweaking it for its best performance so ill assume I can do the same using a open source version if it lol |
| 21:10.11 | CharminTheMoose | congrats Vich |
| 21:10.13 | Vich | and I want to add my local mirror to my sources.list |
| 21:10.15 | Boglizk | Between the Spacebar and the right windowskey on my keyboard... |
| 21:10.19 | Vich | lol, let me finish! |
| 21:10.25 | stew | kkrauss: azureus is open source |
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| 21:10.33 | Vich | what line do I need? |
| 21:10.44 | CharminTheMoose | localhost i would assume? |
| 21:10.55 | Vich | ? |
| 21:11.13 | kkrauss | I know that stew :) |
| 21:11.13 | Vich | lol |
| 21:11.22 | Vich | I tried something like deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 21:11.29 | Vich | and it couldn't find the host |
| 21:11.30 | kkrauss | thats why I said ill be using it for my debian system |
| 21:11.32 | Cooner750_ | What keyboard shortcut do I use to bring up the Run Command window in Gnome? |
| 21:11.36 | Vich | maybe I need to use ftp proto |
| 21:11.37 | Phated | purple: Write it yourself :) |
| 21:11.48 | Phated | purple: Also /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 21:11.49 | petemc | Cooner750_: alt f2 |
| 21:11.58 | Boglizk | Isn't like ctrl+f2 or something |
| 21:12.03 | purple | thnxx |
| 21:12.03 | Boglizk | alt+f2.. thats it |
| 21:12.15 | kkrauss | but the live cd at least the desktokp one works fairly well from the little I know how to do |
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| 21:13.05 | Cooner750_ | Trying to run avidemux2 and it states "Error loading shared libraries; libartsc.so.0: Cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory".... |
| 21:13.22 | chrstianwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.39 | kkrauss | what is up with chrstianwolf? |
| 21:13.40 | Phated | chrstianwolf: ASCII, or part. |
| 21:14.08 | SpeedyG | hey guys, i'm getting this error while trying to install the nvidia stuff: Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/dists/unstable/nvidia-graphics-drivers/binary-amd64/nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.8774-4_amd64.deb Size mismatch |
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| 21:14.24 | SpeedyG | (debian etch amd64, using unstabel drivers) |
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| 21:14.30 | SpeedyG | any idea what I can do about it ? |
| 21:14.31 | Cooner750_ | Fixed that one, now I get the same error about "libmp3lame.so.0" |
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| 21:14.47 | Phated | Cooner750_: Try apt-file to find files you're missing from your system. |
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| 21:15.59 | chrstianwolf | help |
| 21:16.03 | chrstianwolf | i need somebody |
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| 21:16.04 | chrstianwolf | help |
| 21:16.08 | chrstianwolf | not just anybody |
| 21:16.08 | kkrauss | hey he can talk now lol |
| 21:16.09 | netcrash | pickcoder: trying to compile kernel 2.6.18.2 , debian 3.1 |
| 21:16.11 | itchi | SpeedyG: Do apt-get update |
| 21:16.16 | blondie | chrstianwolf: type /quit |
| 21:16.18 | SpeedyG | itchi: did that |
| 21:16.19 | stew | chrstianwolf: if you have a question just ask it |
| 21:16.28 | stew | blondie: don't do that |
| 21:16.30 | netcrash | pickcoder: trying to compile kernel 2.6.18.2 , debian 3.1 ( I booted with smp support on 2.6.8) |
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| 21:16.31 | kkrauss | blondie! |
| 21:16.35 | kkrauss | that was messed up |
| 21:16.38 | stew | chrstianwolf: if you have a question just ask it |
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| 21:16.52 | kkrauss | dont listen to blondie anymore either lol |
| 21:16.54 | Phated | purple: Please don't ctcp people randomly, mmkay. |
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| 21:16.59 | stew | oh wait. he's quoting beatles lyrics, isn't he |
| 21:17.04 | SpeedyG | stew: he is |
| 21:17.09 | kkrauss | haha I just got that |
| 21:17.15 | cydork | huh? is it sunday already??? |
| 21:17.17 | jm|work | gkrellm amd64 doesn't seem to support SSL :( |
| 21:17.18 | Phated | purple: Last time. Do -not- CTCP people randomly. |
| 21:17.25 | Phated | cydork: It's either early or late. |
| 21:17.27 | chrstianwolf | ^_^ |
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| 21:17.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@i577BF1C7.versanet.de] by stew |
| 21:17.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 21:17.35 | nexis | has anyone experenced a problem with shorewall after a recent apt-get upgrade on testing? |
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| 21:17.41 | kkrauss | but blondie got the last laugh on you because you quit the client :) |
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| 21:18.01 | blondie | first thing to make me laugh all day! |
| 21:18.16 | Phated | Cheers, stew. |
| 21:18.30 | Phated | !beer stew |
| 21:18.41 | roue | hola |
| 21:19.10 | cydork | Phated, damn have to check if i have some beer left :P |
| 21:19.16 | pickcoder | netcrash: where did you download the kernel source from? |
| 21:19.17 | kkrauss | im starting to get nervous about all the problems im seeing peole having with debian in here lol |
| 21:19.24 | kkrauss | !beer |
| 21:19.24 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 21:19.26 | Phated | cydork: Surely the point is to -always- have beer left. |
| 21:19.31 | itchi | stew: Looks like versanet.de case; not yet solved ;-) |
| 21:19.33 | blondie | kkrauss: think how many debian users AREN'T in here |
| 21:19.37 | abrotman | kkrauss: then don't use it .. noone is forcing you! |
| 21:19.41 | cydork | Phated, i try to :( |
| 21:19.46 | Phated | cydork: Heh. Try harder. |
| 21:19.55 | netcrash | pickcoder: www.kernel.org |
| 21:19.58 | kkrauss | I know blondie but the people who are in here know what they are doing lol |
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| 21:20.11 | cydork | Phated, yay i still have 2 :P |
| 21:20.13 | kkrauss | and hush abrotman you take things too seriously |
| 21:20.20 | abrotman | you whine a lot |
| 21:20.21 | pickcoder | you should be compiling a vanilla kernel if you can't figure out compilation errors yourself.. |
| 21:20.26 | kkrauss | all I said was im gettin gnervous in that im going to have a lot of difficulty |
| 21:20.26 | Phated | !abrotman++ |
| 21:20.26 | pickcoder | s/should/shouldn't |
| 21:20.42 | amphi | kkrauss: that's 'knervous' to you |
| 21:20.47 | pickcoder | are you sure you configured the kernel properly? |
| 21:20.52 | kkrauss | so ignore me if you feel that way, you are the one who sounds like a whiner to me |
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| 21:20.58 | abrotman | oy! |
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| 21:21.09 | Phated | abrotman: You don't want snogs? OK. |
| 21:21.18 | abrotman | i was pleasantly surprised! |
| 21:21.32 | GTX | Are there any editors where I can actuly use my mouse? for the console using ssh |
| 21:21.34 | blondie | O.O |
| 21:21.36 | SpeedyG | itchi: I keep getting a size mismatch |
| 21:21.39 | Phated | "oy!" is not pleasantly surprised. "oy! :)" -could be- pleasantly surprised. |
| 21:21.40 | SpeedyG | any way to solve this ? |
| 21:21.49 | abrotman | it was! |
| 21:21.55 | Phated | So you -say-. |
| 21:21.57 | blondie | GTX: no |
| 21:22.02 | Knervous | haha thanks amphi I got a new nick now lol |
| 21:22.11 | blondie | GTX: mouse movements don't travel over ssh in that way |
| 21:22.13 | stew | GTX: you mean you want to use your mouse to control a editor that you are connecting to via ssh? then no |
| 21:22.17 | jabka | how do i compera a varible inside if (bash) i tried the next but it didn't work http://pastebin.ca/248623 |
| 21:22.17 | netcrash | have to go... Good night , sorry pickcoder have to go, thanks for trying |
| 21:22.23 | pickcoder | netcrash: try #kernel |
| 21:22.25 | amphi | Knervous: ah ;) |
| 21:22.30 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:22.35 | itchi | SpeedyG: Try to clean the apt cache? |
| 21:22.38 | Knervous | No seriously thats a cool name |
| 21:22.39 | GTX | blondie, I have seen some apps using mouse movments in ssh |
| 21:22.40 | SpeedyG | itchi: how? |
| 21:22.47 | amphi | Knervous: you think? |
| 21:22.49 | Knervous | all the names I usually use are from japanese anime so everyone has them already lol |
| 21:22.51 | itchi | SpeedyG: apt-get clean |
| 21:22.52 | shpond | Hi |
| 21:22.53 | Knervous | its better than Kkrauss! |
| 21:23.06 | blondie | Knervous: are you a KDE program? :o |
| 21:23.26 | Knervous | no im just a nervous guy who is a bad speller :( |
| 21:23.32 | Phated | Oh, you'll get sick of that joke in a short while. |
| 21:23.33 | SpeedyG | again the same :/ |
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| 21:23.48 | itchi | SpeedyG: Every package you install, the deb file are then stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/ Some time you want maybe clean these too. Like it take space for nothing |
| 21:23.50 | Knervous | haha im going to hear it a lot huh |
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| 21:24.43 | kingsley | Why would running macromedia's flash player from firefox to play a video at youtube be silent? |
| 21:24.48 | shpond | you tell me |
| 21:24.51 | SpeedyG | itchi: even that doesnt work :/ |
| 21:25.06 | stew | kingsley: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
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| 21:25.15 | pickcoder | kingsley: is the volume turned up? <g> |
| 21:25.23 | itchi | SpeedyG: I dunno then |
| 21:25.30 | Cooner750_ | Ok |
| 21:25.40 | itchi | SpeedyG: You did been apt-get update as root user? |
| 21:25.40 | Kakarot | damn this one is taken lol |
| 21:25.43 | kingsley | stew: Thanks for asking. No, snd-pcm-oss is not loaded. |
| 21:25.49 | kingsley | pickcoder: Yes. |
| 21:25.51 | stew | kingsley: if its not, and you end up loading it, you'll have to restart firefox |
| 21:25.56 | SpeedyG | itchi: yep |
| 21:26.05 | Cooner750_ | I downloaded and compiled Lame, and libmp3lame.so.0 now shows up in /usr/local/lib , but avidemux will still not recognize it. Ideas? |
| 21:26.34 | Vich | what do I need to install to get a basic wm (fluxbox) |
| 21:26.35 | kingsley | stew: Does macromedia's flash player need snd-pcm-oss to make sound? |
| 21:26.44 | itchi | Cooner750_: Why have you compiled that? |
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| 21:26.56 | Vich | I have a bare-debian etch install |
| 21:27.03 | Vich | I want a gui! |
| 21:27.15 | Kkrauss | careful vich, last time I said gui I got yelled at :) |
| 21:27.25 | pickcoder | I thought the flash player was b0rked on Linux |
| 21:27.31 | Vich | lol |
| 21:27.37 | Vich | graphical user interface? |
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| 21:27.43 | Cooner750_ | itchi: Avidemux states that it could not find the libmp3lame.so.0 shared library, so I compiled lame and now have the library, but avidemux is still refusing to find it |
| 21:27.47 | Kkrauss | apparantly thats not what they are for linux lol |
| 21:27.50 | Kkrauss | at least xwindow isnt |
| 21:27.54 | itchi | Vich: If you want it easy, as root user 'tasksel'. or look to /msg dpkg install x |
| 21:27.55 | kingsley | pickcoder: I has worked in the past. |
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| 21:28.07 | kingsley | pickcoder: s/I/It/ |
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| 21:28.12 | Vich | thanks itchi! |
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| 21:28.33 | amphi | Vich: BTW, there is no problem using the term 'GUI' |
| 21:28.35 | stew | kingsley: i'm not sure if snd-pcm-oss is required, i haven't tried it in a while. |
| 21:28.44 | snessiram | I'm currently running xubuntu but I have some software (in which cinelerra and scribus) which I want to install but I always get error messages, wich is I think caused by the customized packages of ubuntu. I just tried installing scribus (using .deb package), which couldn't find lib6c, when looking it up using synaptics, there's a ubuntu-custom one installed... So for that reason I'm thinking of downloading/installing debian in the future. |
| 21:28.48 | Kkrauss | amphi I got yelled at last time |
| 21:28.49 | itchi | Vich: If you take there 'desktop environment' in tasksel, it will install an bunch of software, i guess that you not want to select manually every package to install |
| 21:28.50 | pickcoder | the last time I tried to use flash to play on Pogo it fell over |
| 21:28.50 | Vich | lol |
| 21:28.58 | pickcoder | or was that shockwave |
| 21:29.08 | Vich | well, I don't want it to install gnome |
| 21:29.08 | amphi | Kkrauss: I think you misunderstod the content of the yell |
| 21:29.09 | pickcoder | gah.. doen't matter I don't need either |
| 21:29.11 | Vich | because that's big |
| 21:29.11 | stew | snessiram: please go to #ubuntu or #xubuntu for help with your distro |
| 21:29.34 | snessiram | stew: I'm talking about a ubuntu -> debian switch ;) |
| 21:29.54 | Vich | lol |
| 21:29.58 | stew | snessiram: that's not something we'd support |
| 21:30.00 | Vich | I'm on ubuntu right now |
| 21:30.00 | Kkrauss | not literally but some one chimed in and said blah blah blah you're a moron its not a gui it was Guerin if I recall |
| 21:30.10 | Vich | but my laptop is on debian |
| 21:30.11 | amphi | !tell vich about install x |
| 21:30.25 | Kkrauss | ... |
| 21:30.28 | Kkrauss | didnt work :) |
| 21:30.41 | amphi | Kkrauss: wtf? |
| 21:31.01 | snessiram | stew: so you can't tell me if I, as a non-linux user, will be able to "simply" use debian? |
| 21:31.04 | Kkrauss | sorry I thought that was supposed to say something publicly |
| 21:31.05 | nexis | has anyone experenced a problem with shorewall after a recent apt-get upgrade on testing? |
| 21:31.17 | Vich | snessiram, if you get the latest etch build |
| 21:31.25 | Vich | you can install it with gnome |
| 21:31.28 | Kkrauss | !tell kkrauss about install x |
| 21:32.01 | Vich | and have a pretty-much functional os simply by choosing the right packages at setup |
| 21:32.01 | Kkrauss | coool |
| 21:32.01 | snessiram | Vich: you mean debian? |
| 21:32.01 | stew | snessiram: i'm not sure i understood the question. are you asking basically if debian is easy for people that are not linux users? |
| 21:32.02 | Vich | it'll even look just like ubuntu |
| 21:32.02 | Vich | yes |
| 21:32.02 | Vich | I do |
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| 21:32.21 | snessiram | stew: yes, I mainly mean the install etc (for example wireless networking) |
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| 21:32.39 | stew | snessiram: no. you'd be much better off with ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu |
| 21:33.02 | snessiram | Vich: thanks :), was aspecting something lik ethat, Demudi is kind of interesting me too |
| 21:33.11 | pickcoder | Lindows |
| 21:33.58 | snessiram | stew: well, that's what I thought (and used it), but I keep getting problems with the packages (because they are customised) |
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| 21:34.11 | pickcoder | snessiram: you still should check the supported hardware, regardless of distro |
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| 21:34.36 | stew | kingsley: put snd-pcm-oss into /etc/modules so it will be loaded automatically |
| 21:34.45 | hap | anyone in germany? |
| 21:34.50 | hap | can someone tell me the current time in germany ? |
| 21:35.05 | kingsley | stew: Why? |
| 21:35.38 | kingsley | stew: Sound is working now, without snd-pcm-oss. |
| 21:35.40 | blondie | hap: im not, but it's 10:35pm |
| 21:35.43 | snessiram | pickcoder: where? (I have it for processor etc, but wireless etc...) |
| 21:35.49 | hap | blondie: great thanks |
| 21:35.55 | stew | kingsley: if you are using alsa, I don't know any drawback to having the oss compatibility module loaded to support applications that don't know how to talk to alsa directly |
| 21:35.57 | pickcoder | snessiram: I dunno. Maybe that distro's web site? |
| 21:36.07 | stew | kingsley: ahh ok, do you know what changed? simply restarting firefox? |
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| 21:37.29 | snessiram | pickcoder: well, I know ubuntu supports all my hardware, would that be really different for debian? |
| 21:37.38 | pickcoder | snessiram: even if it's a nice-looking fully-automatic install, if there's no Linux driver support for a piece of hardware then it still isn't going to work |
| 21:37.55 | kingsley | stew: To the best of my knowledge, simply restarting firefox is the only thing that changed. "ze" on #lad said if firefox or flash first start while something else is using sound it seems to block it. |
| 21:38.09 | pickcoder | snessiram: if Ubuntu puts a shotty driver in it's distro, that doesn't mean that Debian will too |
| 21:38.23 | pickcoder | snessiram: same for Red Hat and any other distro |
| 21:38.33 | pickcoder | thus: check your hardware compatibility for the distro |
| 21:38.58 | stew | kingsley: yes, i know that if when flash is loaded sound isn't available, it won't be availble until you restart firefox |
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| 21:39.18 | kingsley | stew: Oh. |
| 21:39.21 | pickcoder | Broadcom is still a major pain on any flavor |
| 21:39.29 | pickcoder | brb |
| 21:39.45 | MarcoPau | how do I give w permission to users on a mounted partition under /etc/fstab? Thank you |
| 21:40.15 | stew | MarcoPau: what filesystem does the partition contain? |
| 21:40.16 | snessiram | pickcoder: " Laptops are also supported. Laptops are often specialized or contain proprietary hardware. To see if your particular laptop works well with GNU/Linux, see the Linux Laptop pages" --> this is what stands in the debian manual, when I check that page, there's someone who installed suse 10 on my laptop and everything is marked as working |
| 21:40.30 | MarcoPau | stew: vfat |
| 21:40.41 | stew | MarcoPau: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 21:40.59 | stew | MarcoPau: you'll want to alter uid/gid/umask |
| 21:41.13 | MarcoPau | stew: ok, lemme read. thanks for the tip :) |
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| 21:42.17 | streuner | !blairsmite stew |
| 21:42.31 | streuner | take that bitch :-) |
| 21:42.35 | stew | ? |
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| 21:42.43 | MarcoPau | stew: well I already have umask=000... |
| 21:42.46 | Phated | Heh. |
| 21:42.48 | cydork | huh? who what? |
| 21:43.05 | Phated | streuner: That was pretty fucking random, mate :) |
| 21:43.18 | MarcoPau | stew: plus noexec,nosuid,nodev. is the problem therE? |
| 21:43.18 | jimbot | Well, problem is find the directory where the stuff is in |
| 21:43.34 | streuner | Phated: no :-) stew deserve that ;-) |
| 21:43.44 | Phated | O...K. |
| 21:43.46 | stew | MarcoPau: no those aren't a problem. are you having trouble getting the volume mounted or using it once it is mounted? |
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| 21:44.02 | MarcoPau | stew: already mounted. just can't write in it... |
| 21:44.15 | MarcoPau | stew: with the user |
| 21:44.18 | Sebboh | hi all. I'm reading some instructions about how to load some modules for my sound card.. But I compiled that module into the kernel--it's not a module. So how do I pass parameters to the driver? |
| 21:44.35 | stew | MarcoPau: can you run "mount ; ls -l /mount/point" and put the result into a pastebin? |
| 21:44.54 | stew | MarcoPau: maybe ls -la /mount/point |
| 21:44.58 | lakez_ | After the fact, is there a way to get a ssh session into a screen session or a way to detatch without it halting the long-running process? |
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| 21:45.25 | MarcoPau | stew: it's all root root rwxrwxrwx |
| 21:45.47 | sparrw | [how] can i make mozilla thunderbird's address book LDAP functionality play nice with OS X Open Directory? |
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| 21:46.44 | abrotman | ask #ldap or #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:46.50 | roue | does anyone know how to add the necessary fonts to my sarge install so that unicode characters for asian languages (and others I assume) don't show up as a boxed number in firefox? |
| 21:46.50 | stew | lakez_: i recently saw that an itp was filed for retty: http://pasky.or.cz/~pasky/dev/retty/ but it is not yet in debian, and I haven't tried it |
| 21:46.55 | roue | thanks! |
| 21:46.56 | jimbot | roue: thanks :), was aspecting something lik ethat, Demudi is kind of interesting me too |
| 21:46.59 | stew | lakez_: but otherwise, no |
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| 21:47.16 | stew | MarcoPau: what are you trying to do as user, and what error do you get? |
| 21:47.33 | MarcoPau | stew: permission denied when writing a new file |
| 21:47.45 | streuner | hm |
| 21:47.54 | stew | MarcoPau: can you "touch /path/to/some/file" from the command line? |
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| 21:47.56 | MarcoPau | stew: I need to add user at the mount line, right? |
| 21:48.17 | roue | jimbot, reset |
| 21:48.17 | jimbot | I'm not sure what reset is. |
| 21:48.18 | olol | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.18 | olol | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.18 | olol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.28 | Phated | Heheh, justice. |
| 21:48.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 21:48.33 | streuner | olol: wth |
| 21:48.36 | Phated | stew: might be ownership/perms? |
| 21:48.47 | blondie | stew: spammer/troll has returned :( |
| 21:48.49 | roue | anyone got some unicode font help? |
| 21:48.50 | olol | streuner? |
| 21:48.50 | MarcoPau | stew: if I touch I get no error, thus I suppose it's alright |
| 21:48.51 | cydork | damm too many trolls.. |
| 21:49.16 | stew | MarcoPau: in fstab? only if you want a user to actually be able to mount it |
| 21:49.29 | streuner | olol: nobody can read what you pasted and why the hell you flood us? |
| 21:49.34 | Rydekull | !lost+found |
| 21:49.34 | dpkg | lost+found is, like, created by the mklost+found program, or where recovered information goes after repairing a disk (bits of files usually) |
| 21:50.22 | olol | streuner, is 4 zeilen already flood? |
| 21:50.22 | tonyb2006 | wer those swatchtakas? |
| 21:50.22 | olol | didnt know |
| 21:50.22 | Rydekull | !mklost+found |
| 21:50.22 | Phated | olol: Random crap is flooding. |
| 21:50.22 | MarcoPau | stew: alright, and if it's only to allow him to write, then I need to add uid=username, right? |
| 21:50.22 | jimbot | Didn't you say Random crap is flooding? |
| 21:50.22 | blondie | olol: four lines of question marks? |
| 21:50.22 | streuner | o_O versanet.de ... |
| 21:50.22 | blondie | olol: stop ban evading |
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| 21:50.23 | Phated | blondie: Actually, swastikas. |
| 21:50.27 | blondie | o.O |
| 21:50.30 | olol | blondie, ban evading? |
| 21:50.33 | blondie | olol: yes |
| 21:50.33 | Phated | blondie: utf-8 ftw :) |
| 21:50.35 | blondie | you got banned. |
| 21:50.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@*versanet.de] by stew |
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| 21:50.46 | blondie | :) |
| 21:50.50 | streuner | fuck |
| 21:50.58 | eml | Hello. I've a question about the "vice"-program (c64 emulator) in the repositories that comes with etch/testing... Why am I not being able to write "vice Game.d64"? Sorry if I'm breaking any rules or so. |
| 21:51.02 | Phated | Oh nice, stew :) |
| 21:51.04 | mandingo | anyone have a line on a decent console mp3 tag editor (would love something that hits cddb, renames files based on tag but I know that's too much to ask for) |
| 21:51.28 | Rydekull | blondie: kicked and banned aint the same thing ;) But, now he is banned, yes |
| 21:51.29 | stew | if any registered users are affected by that ban that shouldn't be, please /msg me or any other op for an exception |
| 21:51.39 | blondie | Rydekull: he was banned |
| 21:51.42 | Phated | mandingo: Try id3ren, that was decent, IRRC. |
| 21:51.45 | Phated | Er, IIRC. |
| 21:51.47 | blondie | Rydekull: not kicked :P |
| 21:51.53 | streuner | stew: you did the right thing |
| 21:51.55 | Phated | id3v2 also. |
| 21:52.00 | mandingo | gracias! |
| 21:52.14 | *** kick/#debian [olol!i=1413@rrcs-72-43-105-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] by stew (stew) |
| 21:52.27 | Phated | Woot. |
| 21:52.49 | Rydekull | blondie: then my irssi-client must be bugged, I see no +b line previous to the one stew did. My bad, obviously |
| 21:52.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 21:52.57 | cydork | stew, My Hero! :P |
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| 21:53.44 | abrotman | stew: that ban was already there |
| 21:53.45 | jimbot | Hmmm. I think there is a new version of gcc(just an -r1) would this demand a emerge -e world? :) |
| 21:53.49 | stew | Rydekull: its been in and out several times recently. everyone else please just move on or /query me instead of wasting anymore bandwidth in here |
| 21:53.50 | abrotman | was yesterday anyways |
| 21:54.04 | Rydekull | stew: :D |
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| 21:54.58 | streuner | Don't feed ! |
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| 21:55.23 | Tarantulafudge | is there an 'unstable' dist for amd64? |
| 21:55.34 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 21:55.34 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:55.36 | Rydekull | speaking of things, anyone got some kind of nice organizer written in php, webbased naturally, seeing as it's quite calm in here |
| 21:56.18 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 21:56.24 | abrotman | Tarantulafudge: yes |
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| 22:00.45 | abrotman | organizer ? |
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| 22:01.31 | Rydekull | yeah, you know, with calendar and stuff, been thinking of just getting a regular blog and redoing it slightly, but yeah, I want mine mainly focused on a timetable |
| 22:02.00 | Rydekull | to make it easier to note down the hours i've worked, regardless of where I am. Most places you get to surf to a webpage afterall |
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| 22:02.15 | abrotman | horde has a calendar .. but that's probably overkill |
| 22:02.23 | Rydekull | a tad ;) |
| 22:02.29 | vasudeva | does debian stable not have a mod_ldap module for apache2? |
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| 22:03.11 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, what do I need to do to enable unstable? |
| 22:03.26 | streuner | he means surely some M§ exhange solution |
| 22:03.27 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 22:03.27 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 22:03.42 | abrotman | Rydekull: nothing ical-ish ? |
| 22:03.43 | streuner | s/exhange/exchange/ |
| 22:03.47 | abrotman | Rydekull: webcal ? |
| 22:04.10 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, is that different from debian-unstable ? |
| 22:04.28 | abrotman | it means you sohuldn't be using it unless you konw how to get to it :) |
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| 22:04.43 | streuner | !tell Tarantulafudge about sid faq |
| 22:05.10 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: read that first :-) |
| 22:05.46 | Tarantulafudge | streuner, is there any point in actually using 64bit? |
| 22:05.48 | Rydekull | abrotman: webcal wasnt the most beautiful one :D but I guess one could alter the looks a tad |
| 22:06.20 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: no, if you are using amd64 /j #amd64-debian |
| 22:06.25 | keyboarder | i just installed debian etch, and i got my kde control center fully empty, anybody knows something about this? |
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| 22:06.45 | pickcoder | Tarantulafudge: some applications do run faster on a 64-bit kernel |
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| 22:07.05 | abrotman | Rydekull: it was just something i remembered from about seven years ago :) |
| 22:07.05 | streuner | if the apps supports that |
| 22:07.11 | pickcoder | I've yet to see any specifics though |
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| 22:07.29 | pickcoder | I had amd64 loaded on an X2 here |
| 22:07.42 | pickcoder | didn't notice that much of a difference when I went back to 32-bit |
| 22:07.52 | pickcoder | ymmv |
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| 22:10.02 | Rydekull | abrotman: hehe |
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| 22:15.24 | [wz]MaC | hi there |
| 22:15.25 | jimbot | I guess there is one, otherwise you'll have to use an older evolution |
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| 22:15.33 | jbrouhard | Howdy |
| 22:15.50 | jbrouhard | Anyone know why netkit-inetd won't install on a debian sarge server with 2.6 kernel ? |
| 22:16.27 | [wz]MaC | how to find out, what app runs in which runlevel ? |
| 22:16.52 | stew | [wz]MaC: ls /etc/rcN.d/ where N is the runlevel |
| 22:17.08 | stew | [wz]MaC: the ones starting with S are started, the ones starting with K are stopped |
| 22:17.14 | [wz]MaC | yeah, but seems to me, there is everywhere the same insinde |
| 22:17.22 | [wz]MaC | aaah i c |
| 22:17.26 | stew | [wz]MaC: yes. debian treats 2-5 the same by default |
| 22:17.48 | stew | [wz]MaC: if you want different runlevels to do different things use update-rc.d to customize |
| 22:18.05 | [wz]MaC | ah okay |
| 22:18.13 | cydork | [wz]MaC, check rcconf too |
| 22:18.14 | [wz]MaC | thank you stew |
| 22:18.25 | [wz]MaC | thank you cydork |
| 22:18.27 | [wz]MaC | ;) |
| 22:18.27 | jimbot | [wz]MaC: kicked and banned aint the same thing ;) But, now he is banned, yes |
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| 22:21.43 | abrotman | jimbot: are you broken ? |
| 22:21.44 | jimbot | No idea, abrotman. |
| 22:21.50 | abrotman | jimbot: who owns you |
| 22:21.52 | jimbot | abrotman: don't ask me, I don't know. |
| 22:21.59 | abrotman | :! |
| 22:22.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | jimbot: hi |
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| 22:22.17 | jimbot | I don't know, abrotman. |
| 22:22.22 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 22:22.27 | cydork | jimbot hello |
| 22:22.28 | jimbot | I guess jimbot is ai |
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| 22:22.37 | abrotman | jimbot: what are you |
| 22:22.39 | jimbot | I don't know what what are you is, abrotman. |
| 22:22.40 | zmotok | hm.. question, how many of the 15cds (stable) are needed for a.. regular installation (base+xorg+kde+ooorg) ? |
| 22:22.51 | abrotman | zmotok: not if you have internet |
| 22:22.58 | blondie | s/not/none/ |
| 22:23.07 | zmotok | abrotman, i usually use netinstall |
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| 22:23.10 | zmotok | but it's for someone else |
| 22:23.20 | zmotok | so i have no clue how many cds to write for him |
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| 22:23.24 | blondie | can they not netinstall? |
| 22:23.28 | zmotok | nope |
| 22:23.30 | zmotok | dial-up |
| 22:23.38 | zmotok | netinstall would take forever and then some |
| 22:23.38 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 22:23.38 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 22:23.44 | action09 | zmotok 1st only |
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| 22:24.06 | abrotman | zmotok: also .. xorg isn't in sarge |
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| 22:24.21 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:24.23 | dnabre | odd question, I'm trying to setup a couple of machine for diskless boot (boot off network, nfsroot). I can't find any documentation on doing it for debian, especially since these are mips machine. Any ideas/suggestions/points would be appreciated, thanks. |
| 22:24.32 | zmotok | hmm.. thanks, forgot about that, i'm used to my sid |
| 22:24.33 | jimbot | Isn't Sid NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead? |
| 22:24.45 | MeepZero | hey guys, got a question for you from a bit of a newb. Im running sarge and ran apt-get install gnome, what do I need to do now to get gnome running? |
| 22:24.45 | x_link | I had DEbian installed on my 80GB hdd and I used a 40GB hdd as my second disc cause I had all my files on that one. |
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| 22:24.56 | luca | hello all |
| 22:24.57 | x_link | And I wanted to change it, I wanted to install Debian ont he 40GB and use the 80GB as storage. |
| 22:25.25 | x_link | So I installed DEbian on the 40GB and I was done for like a hour ago. And now I wanted to plugin the 80GB and format/mount it. But it didn't work. |
| 22:25.26 | stew | jimqode_: ping |
| 22:25.32 | abrotman | jimqode_: turn off your bot |
| 22:25.33 | x_link | DMA timedout or something like that |
| 22:25.46 | x_link | Is this cause I now have Debian on both of the drives, or what? |
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| 22:25.51 | x_link | And what could I do about it? |
| 22:25.52 | itchi | MeepZero: See /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:26.10 | zmotok | abrotman, blondie: thanks for your help :) |
| 22:26.11 | x_link | MeepZero: apt-get install gnome =) |
| 22:26.21 | MeepZero | I did that |
| 22:26.25 | x_link | Can somebody please help me ? |
| 22:26.31 | Jetrii | Hello, I heard it's possible to use a GPU's Vram as virtual ram but setting it up as a block device and using it as swap...How effective is this? |
| 22:26.37 | x_link | MeepZero: Okey. |
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| 22:27.21 | abrotman | stew: guess he didn't want us to know it was him or somethign ? |
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| 22:28.19 | MeepZero | I ran the apt-get install gnome, installed without problems, do I need to config the Xserver now? |
| 22:28.37 | abrotman | probably |
| 22:28.40 | abrotman | x-window-system |
| 22:28.57 | action09 | MeepZero /msg dpkg install gnome tell you to install x first |
| 22:29.10 | action09 | apt-get isntall x-window-system-core |
| 22:29.22 | action09 | s/isntall/install |
| 22:29.52 | action09 | MeepZero i prefer to install only gnome-core |
| 22:29.54 | jabka | i need a legal advise : if i write a prog that can be used to spread a copyright related data can it be put into debian ? |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | jimqode_: is your bot coming back too ? |
| 22:30.47 | abrotman | jabka: ask debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 22:31.05 | jabka | abrotman : thanks .. |
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| 22:32.34 | g333k | Hi I sent wget to background with the -b option, now how can I see its advance progress? |
| 22:32.36 | itrebal | is there a way to [when installing debian] set the keyboard map? |
| 22:32.40 | MeepZero | action09 so wait, that /msh dpkg install gnome thing there, what does that do? |
| 22:32.59 | action09 | MeepZero try it it tells you command to help you |
| 22:33.16 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:33.20 | action09 | hi confrey |
| 22:33.37 | MeepZero | I tried it and it said invalid file or directory |
| 22:34.24 | pickcoder | type in your chat window |
| 22:34.40 | abrotman | what .. no hi dr. neil or whatever it is |
| 22:34.42 | action09 | type exactly this "/msg dpkg install gnome" in this window, |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 22:35.03 | action09 | MeepZero and it private mesage ou the result of the command. |
| 22:35.06 | confrey | can anybody help me about synce? |
| 22:35.12 | abrotman | MeepZero: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 22:35.20 | abrotman | yay .. done! |
| 22:35.35 | pickcoder | !synce |
| 22:35.37 | MeepZero | ok |
| 22:35.46 | pickcoder | guess not |
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| 22:36.30 | pickcoder | confrey: you need to ask a question, of than if someone can help you |
| 22:36.33 | Ronin | confrey: just ask |
| 22:36.37 | pickcoder | s/of/other |
| 22:36.43 | confrey | ok |
| 22:37.25 | confrey | I need about synce : I have a cellphone notorola mpx200, windows mobile 2003; I can sincronize datas from cell to PC |
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| 22:37.54 | confrey | I'm trying to use raki, and synce by command line,but I don't know what's happening |
| 22:38.24 | jabka | how do i write in the correct form pice (as part of something) |
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| 22:39.19 | pickcoder | confrey: that all the info you can provide? |
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| 22:39.49 | MeepZero | now, when running startx, I get an error saying no screens detected |
| 22:39.54 | gerwinin | Hey guys we are organising an opensource event in eindhoven |
| 22:40.03 | abrotman | MeepZero: look for EE lines in the log |
| 22:40.08 | gerwinin | I want to invite the debian project for it |
| 22:40.13 | confrey | pickcoder, I can provide outputs from mesages, console, all you need |
| 22:40.17 | MeepZero | no devices detected |
| 22:40.47 | MeepZero | mabye its configured wrong? |
| 22:40.51 | pickcoder | confrey: posting some of the errors may snag someone to help you. I don't use synce. |
| 22:41.06 | abrotman | gerwinin: try emailing debian-project@lists.debian.org perhaps |
| 22:41.14 | pickcoder | google is also quite popular when debugging |
| 22:41.24 | pickcoder | especially error codes in conjunction with program names |
| 22:41.48 | stew | MeepZero: did you specify a busid when configuring x? (you shouldn't) |
| 22:41.50 | confrey | pickcoder, ok, I'm waiting for somebody helping me |
| 22:42.07 | stew | MeepZero: in general "no devices detected" means that the driver didn't find a video card that it supports |
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| 22:44.04 | MeepZero | busID? I dont think so |
| 22:44.07 | itrebal | Etch supports 64 bit now, no? |
| 22:44.26 | MeepZero | im running an nvidia card, so I choose nv |
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| 22:44.40 | jabka | itrebal : yes |
| 22:44.56 | itrebal | is it a seperate repository of 64-bit compile programs? |
| 22:45.09 | itrebal | or how does it work :/ ? |
| 22:45.46 | action09 | MeepZero try to find the chipset of your video car and you should load the correct module for it.. someone correct me if i'm wrong please ? e.g.: lspci -v |more and for my case i see i have nvidia chipset |
| 22:45.50 | itchi | amphi, blondie : testdisk (see photorec) still work on an ext3 partition, have just try it out. Take near 3:00 to do but it does it |
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| 22:46.21 | Kerr | what would i use to play a .flv (flash video) ? |
| 22:46.47 | itchi | Kerr: Is it not swf ? |
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| 22:46.59 | itchi | Kerr: Or is that the source file? |
| 22:47.00 | jabka | it has a sepreate dir called some thing like binary amd64 to use it you need to use amd64 port |
| 22:47.15 | Kerr | itchi: i don't think it's a swf |
| 22:47.16 | action09 | MeepZero so you're correct in my humble opinon , try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv' and 'modprobe mousedev' maybe |
| 22:47.26 | action09 | MeepZero and startx again |
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| 22:48.52 | MeepZero | 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv' comes up as couldnt find package |
| 22:48.55 | x_link | H |
| 22:49.05 | x_link | Could somebody help me to format/mount a hdd ? |
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| 22:49.44 | action09 | MeepZero hmm try the xserver-all or name like this so.. i do'nt understand i have this package.. but i'm in testing |
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| 22:50.32 | MeepZero | xserver-all does nothing |
| 22:50.45 | stew | MeepZero: forget what action09 is telling you, he's confused and thinking you are running testing or unstable |
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| 22:51.04 | action09 | Stew i though yes |
| 22:51.06 | stew | MeepZero: what card do you have? it might be that your card is too old to be supported by the xserver in sarge |
| 22:52.16 | MeepZero | 6200 128MB PCIX |
| 22:52.32 | MeepZero | its probably too old |
| 22:53.01 | MeepZero | I would be happy if this ran in vesa mode in all honosty |
| 22:53.11 | amphi | itchi: uhuh - no use with xfs it seems ;) |
| 22:53.14 | MeepZero | this system is just gonna be a fax server when its all doen |
| 22:53.17 | MeepZero | done* |
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| 22:54.30 | itchi | amphi: I just did the test on the laptop, realy crazy the time it take. The output is also not so easy to manage; but after fighting an hour in that output, you get it back. |
| 22:54.52 | stew | MeepZero: well if you can't get that driver to recognize your card, your choices would be to try a backported xorg server which was backported from etch: (/msg dpkg bpo ; then install x-window-system-core again) or perhaps use a non-free driver from nvidia |
| 22:55.01 | amphi | itchi: this was a text file? |
| 22:55.03 | itchi | amphi: But that article is usefull i find |
| 22:55.53 | itchi | amphi: My file i had recovered, yes. But is support also other extensions, not yet so many, but the most importantest for my |
| 22:56.04 | itchi | s/is/it/ |
| 22:56.15 | MeepZero | how would I get my system to pull the nvidia driver from their website? |
| 22:56.19 | MeepZero | or is that not doable? |
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| 22:56.52 | amphi | itchi: extensions? |
| 22:56.58 | itchi | amphi: file types |
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| 22:57.29 | amphi | itchi: I wonder how it can find, say, a large deleted png image |
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| 22:57.46 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, that app works strange for me too |
| 22:57.54 | amphi | itchi: does it show you blocks and contents of them, or what? |
| 22:58.06 | itchi | amphi: You just not get the file name of the file back. |
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| 22:58.42 | amphi | itchi: I don't see how, if the block pointers have been zeroed... |
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| 22:59.02 | itchi | amphi: It make as output diferents directories recup_dir.1, recup_dir.2, etc. And there are then the output that he have find back |
| 22:59.38 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i know, but it does work; i had also heard many people flashing of that fact. But why are then wipe ?? |
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| 23:02.01 | amphi | itchi: it does support xfs it seems |
| 23:02.06 | nextstate2 | what package contains latex for sarge? |
| 23:02.29 | itchi | amphi: I dunno, i use ext3 |
| 23:03.04 | Caelum | nextstate2: tetex-bin |
| 23:03.17 | itchi | amphi: I have the feeling that i quick kill my hdd here |
| 23:03.37 | sandman | Does anyone know where I can find some *nix software for playing Sheepshead with some friends online? |
| 23:03.50 | amphi | itchi: heh - are you still getting all those ata_* warnings? |
| 23:03.52 | sandman | I tried searching with apt-cache, but with no results.. perhaps someone here knows something I don't, I hope? :) |
| 23:03.58 | nextstate2 | Caelum: got it. thanks. |
| 23:04.04 | itchi | amphi: Yup, and no dma currently |
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| 23:05.03 | bokey | i can't seem to stop webmin. dyam |
| 23:05.04 | amphi | itchi: google was not very responsive; you could contact the kernel maintainer for that subsystem perhaps |
| 23:05.38 | itchi | amphi: Okay, or maybe, i have not ask about it on the Usenet |
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| 23:06.57 | bokey | sudo invoke-rc.d webmin stop complained regarding PID.. killed it. =( |
| 23:07.19 | bokey | not a healthy kill. =( |
| 23:07.53 | bokey | anyone know how to stop webmin /etc/webmin/stop also says the same problem with PID |
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| 23:08.20 | bokey | !webmin |
| 23:08.21 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 23:12.22 | tonyb2006 | !any ideas |
| 23:12.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen starving badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 23:15.38 | netcrash | Hello, how can I upgrade my system to 64 bits using apt-get ? Can gcc for 32bits compile code for 64 bits ? |
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| 23:17.17 | thelostbutler | hello folks has anybody been able to get OMSA 5.x from Dell working with debian ? |
| 23:17.32 | h3sp4wn | netcrash: If you build a cross compiler and toolchain then gcc can do that - gcc for 64 bit can build 32 bit code but not the other way round afaik |
| 23:18.01 | voxtop | netcrash: why not just download a 64-bit netinst CD and use that to install? |
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| 23:19.13 | netcrash | voxtop: it did not boot |
| 23:20.38 | Vich | anyone here use a synaptics touchpad? |
| 23:20.48 | Vich | and tried to use gsynaptics |
| 23:20.54 | Vich | and had it NOT WORK |
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| 23:21.10 | Vich | and whinge about CoastingSpeedThreashold (obviously a typo) |
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| 23:23.01 | Buddha| | I'm using Epiphany as my web browser, and I can't figure out how to get Flash working. Any ideas? |
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| 23:23.51 | cyzie | i use kde, gnome, xfce before, any other window manager can recomend ? |
| 23:24.13 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a good 802.11g chipset to get on a PCI card to build an access point? |
| 23:24.19 | blondie | cyzie: not sure any of those are window managers |
| 23:24.27 | itchi | amphi: How can i enable dma? |
| 23:24.34 | blondie | Flimzy: I'd get a real access point instead |
| 23:24.35 | itchi | oeps |
| 23:24.45 | Buddha| | cyzie, well, that depends. What are you looking for? |
| 23:24.46 | Flimzy | blondie: I wouldn't :) |
| 23:24.51 | itchi | Was not especially meant to amphi |
| 23:24.58 | blondie | Flimzy: why not? |
| 23:25.07 | Flimzy | blondie: 1) I already have one. 2) it sucks. |
| 23:25.18 | blondie | get a better one ;) |
| 23:25.26 | Flimzy | blondie: 3) and the main reason... I want more flexibility than an appliance offers |
| 23:25.38 | blondie | flexibility over what? |
| 23:25.51 | Flimzy | blondie: Just trust me. I want to build one. |
| 23:26.03 | itchi | Is that the -Q get/set DMA tagged-queuing depth (if supported) in hdparm? |
| 23:26.07 | buu | cyzie: USE THE RATPOISON |
| 23:26.31 | grummund | hi, can anyine tell me which package should be dpkg-reconfigure'd to setup Xorg ? thanks. |
| 23:27.05 | Flimzy | xserver-xorg probably. |
| 23:27.05 | lunitik | !drxx |
| 23:27.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 23:27.25 | robin_sz | Flimzy, the easiest way is to get a PCI to PCMCIA convertor and slop in any old random PCMCIA card ..t ehy tend to be cheaper and more available the PCI wireless cards |
| 23:27.35 | Flimzy | Hrm. |
| 23:27.40 | Flimzy | I got a PCI wireless card for like $12 |
| 23:27.44 | Flimzy | but it doesn have native linux drivers |
| 23:27.51 | Flimzy | and I don't want to use the NDIS layer on an AP |
| 23:27.52 | blondie | I think setting up a machine as an AP is asking for trouble :| |
| 23:28.11 | grummund | lunitik: thanks. |
| 23:28.19 | robin_sz | Flimzy, well, duh, buy a PCMCIA card that is supported then |
| 23:28.38 | Flimzy | blondie: Your concern is noted. But I completely disagree. :) |
| 23:28.42 | robin_sz | Flimzy, or just buy a Linksys WRT54G router |
| 23:28.50 | blondie | I wouldn't get a wireless router |
| 23:28.54 | Flimzy | robin_sz: I've done tech support for those things too long to own one. |
| 23:28.58 | blondie | just an AP, and use debian as the router :) |
| 23:29.08 | Flimzy | blondie: I want to use debian as both. |
| 23:29.28 | robin_sz | Flimzy, well, that down to you ... the code is Linux based and open source, so it can be as good or as bad as you choose to make it |
| 23:29.53 | Flimzy | robin_sz: If I'm going to run Linux on my wireless router/AP, why not just put it in a PC? |
| 23:30.05 | Flimzy | and not worry about the hassles of an embedded system |
| 23:30.15 | blondie | robin_sz: the new ones don't run linux |
| 23:30.25 | Flimzy | blondie: they _can_ run Linux |
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| 23:30.37 | robin_sz | blondie, correct. thats why I said WRT54G not WRT54GS |
| 23:30.50 | cyzie | Buddha|, soemthing like xfce which is lightweight but also have functionality from gnome/kde |
| 23:30.50 | blondie | the new WRT54G doesn't run linux |
| 23:30.54 | blondie | vxworks iirc |
| 23:31.07 | Flimzy | robin_sz: So what PCMCIA chipset would you recommend? |
| 23:31.27 | robin_sz | blondie, there is no new WRT54G .. the new ones are called WRT54GS ... |
| 23:31.31 | Flimzy | I know full well that "any random chipset" is not going to get me what I want. I've dealt with too many random chipsets that don't have full support :P |
| 23:31.38 | robin_sz | prism |
| 23:31.42 | xuser | Is where a way to access a ssh server through web? |
| 23:31.57 | robin_sz | xuser, yes |
| 23:31.58 | Flimzy | xuser: If you have a web server, perhaps. |
| 23:32.01 | Buddha| | cyzie - why not Xfce, then? |
| 23:32.27 | xuser | robin_sz: how? |
| 23:32.33 | cyzie | Buddha|, i have use xfce all these while. would like to have a switch |
| 23:32.39 | xuser | Flimzy: yeah, ssh server is running a web server too. |
| 23:32.45 | robin_sz | xuser, on your ssh server, you need to run "apache" ... then you can access it via a protocol called "http" |
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| 23:32.58 | Flimzy | xuser: Then do what robin_sz said... |
| 23:33.09 | blondie | robin_sz: it's still just called WRT54G according to the linksys website |
| 23:33.11 | Flimzy | xuser: If you want to connect using the ssh protocol over port 80... good luck. |
| 23:33.41 | Buddha| | cyzie - Have you tried Fluxbox? |
| 23:33.43 | Flimzy | xuser: If you're stuck behind a proxy at work or something... your best bet will be htund... it's painfully slow, but allows you to set up TCP/IP tunnel thru a proxy that you could use ssh over. |
| 23:34.04 | Flimzy | hrmph. What brands use a prism chipset, for the purposes of conducting a useful pricwatch search |
| 23:34.07 | cyzie | Buddha|, nope |
| 23:34.11 | xuser | Flimzy: I want to ssh from a blackberry. |
| 23:34.17 | cyzie | Buddha|, what is the usability level ? |
| 23:34.24 | Flimzy | xuser: install ssh on your blackberry then. I believe that's available. |
| 23:34.35 | robin_sz | xuser, can you run an SSH client on your balckberry? |
| 23:34.49 | xuser | robin_sz: dunno |
| 23:34.56 | Flimzy | I think I know guys at work who do that. |
| 23:35.03 | Flimzy | I'll never own a blackberry, tho |
| 23:35.06 | robin_sz | xuser, I sggest you find out then ... because thats what you need |
| 23:35.08 | Flimzy | so I don't really know or care if ssh is available on it |
| 23:35.33 | blondie | robin_sz: WRT54G version 5 and above uses vxworks instead of linux. the S one is a slightly different model. |
| 23:35.39 | xuser | robin_sz: k. |
| 23:35.46 | Buddha| | cyzie - install it and try it out. It's a bit lightweight for me. |
| 23:35.50 | robin_sz | blondie, I thought they only did the S these days, my apologies |
| 23:35.52 | xuser | Flimzy: It can be very useful. |
| 23:36.17 | blondie | also the newest ones use different wlan chipsets, so unlikely to support linux easily |
| 23:36.24 | Flimzy | xuser: Conceptually, yes. But there are better brands than blackberry. If/when I need that sort of device, Blackberry will be on the bottom of my list of brands to choose from. |
| 23:36.24 | robin_sz | blondie, the VXworks variants have smaller memory onboard than the linux variants, so it makes it hard/impossible to run a linux kernel on them |
| 23:36.53 | Flimzy | $37.99 for a prism PCI card w/ $15 rebate on newegg |
| 23:36.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:36.55 | CBG | Hi all, I got most of the way through Etch installation (I'm using an iBook - installing onto an external hard drive) and all was fine until the boot loader, which failed... What can I do about that? It said errors would be in a log file somewhere, but if I can't boot in..... |
| 23:36.55 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:37.01 | robin_sz | Flimzy, so, I recommend a prism based card. I use Lucent and buffalo and linksys ... |
| 23:37.09 | blondie | yes, only 2MB instead of 4 |
| 23:37.23 | robin_sz | lucent and buffalo are prism based, the linksys is ndiswrapper and seems to work best of them all |
| 23:37.44 | Flimzy | Or $26 for a PCI/PCMCIA adaptor + whatever the pcmcia card would cost |
| 23:37.45 | robin_sz | likewise |
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| 23:38.06 | Flimzy | robin_sz: The ndis wrapper works pretty well then? Perhaps I should see if it works well enough with my card before I buy a new card |
| 23:38.20 | bwlang | i'm trying to decide which io scheduler to use on my laptop... it has a 7200rpm disk - CFQ or anticipatory ? |
| 23:38.33 | grummund | any ideas which package provides drxx?, apt-file search drxx says nothing... |
| 23:38.43 | Flimzy | !drxx |
| 23:38.44 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 23:38.51 | Flimzy | grummund: read that snippet from dpkg |
| 23:38.55 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: I would recommend atheros (seems to work best out of the ones I have tried) |
| 23:39.07 | robin_sz | Flimzy, I ran that combination ( a pcmcia/pci adaptor and a Debian box) for years.. recently I changed to a wrt54G and put a linksys card with ndiswrapepr on my etch laptop. its easier and simpler than anyting ive doen before |
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| 23:39.13 | grummund | Flimzy: yes, which package? |
| 23:39.22 | robin_sz | the wrt54g seems very stable fwiw |
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| 23:39.30 | Flimzy | grummund: the snippet tells you what package. |
| 23:39.50 | Flimzy | robin_sz: Hrm. Can you tell if the ndiswrapper makes for a performance hit? |
| 23:40.02 | grummund | ah... then drxx is not a package. |
| 23:40.09 | Flimzy | robin_sz: My best friend uses a wrt54g and has lots of problems with it. |
| 23:40.14 | robin_sz | Flimzy, the trick is to give it its own dedicated eth port on the "router" box, so you can really firewall it off the way you want to |
| 23:40.26 | Flimzy | well, his is a WRT200 I think... same thing, with integrated docsis 2.0 modem |
| 23:40.27 | cyzie | thanks Buddha| . i just hope that the usability of fluxbox would be high |
| 23:41.12 | robin_sz | Flimzy, I cant tell if it takes a performance hit .. its quite a slim wrapper on the wondows driver, it seems to be able to keep up with my typing and transfers run around 50 dd mbs |
| 23:41.14 | Flimzy | robin_sz: I guess I'll play with the ndiswrapper before purchasing a new NIC then. If my $12 NIC ($.99 after rebate) works out, I'll be happy to have a cheap AP. hehe |
| 23:41.24 | xuser | yay! there is a ssh client for the blackberry :) |
| 23:42.25 | brunner | hi all.. I've been struggling with an issue involving a simple mysql install where I accidentally set my admin password to something I no longer have a record of. I've followed all of the documented procedure to reset the password, and I've tried various suggested tricks to reset the password. I've try purging the mysql-server package and reinstalling, but it doesn't seem to wipe the mysql DB that holds the admin password. Would anyone be willing to spea |
| 23:42.25 | robin_sz | Flimzy, I installed ndiswrapper on etch with module-assistant (m-a a-i ndiswrapper) and then added the driver to the list, it worked striaght away ... |
| 23:42.40 | brunner | that would probably better suited for #mysql now that I think about it, sorry |
| 23:43.01 | brunner | I came here because I'm trying to use the debian package instead of compiling it |
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| 23:43.15 | brunner | for the sake of being able to upgrade the package easily in the future |
| 23:43.49 | robin_sz | brunner, have you tried deleting the files from /var/lib/mysql after removing the package with apt? |
| 23:43.49 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: If you want to run it in accesspoint mode you cannot use ndiswrapper |
| 23:43.50 | itguru | Is there anyway to send the sound from my server machine to my desktop machine? And have it play through the speakers on my desktop? |
| 23:43.56 | Flimzy | robin_sz: that's encouraging. A friend of mine used the ndis wrapper for a pcmcia card a whiel back and had a hella time, gave up eventually. So I was fearing the worst. |
| 23:44.23 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: Oh. well sh*t. |
| 23:44.23 | brunner | robin_sz: that's correct. and apt doesn't recreate the directory when I re-install |
| 23:44.23 | robin_sz | Flimzy, this was very, very easy |
| 23:44.25 | DerJamster | brunner: start mysql with grants disabled |
| 23:44.33 | DerJamster | then connect to the mysql console and reset the pass |
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| 23:44.44 | brunner | DerJamster: I tried that with no success. I can try again and give you the output, if you life |
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| 23:44.44 | robin_sz | DerJamster, good idea |
| 23:44.53 | brunner | s/life/like/ |
| 23:44.57 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: The ndiswrapper guy is working on a way to do it (using the vista drivers for the cards but it is nowhere near ready) |
| 23:44.59 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: do you run an AP? |
| 23:45.02 | DerJamster | brunner: sure. put the output on a nopaste site, along with what you typed |
| 23:45.11 | brunner | alright, thanks, just a moment |
| 23:45.17 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: You'r the one that sugtested a atheros chipset, right? |
| 23:45.19 | CBG | Hi all, I got most of the way through Etch installation (I'm using an iBook - installing onto an external hard drive) and all was fine until the boot loader, which failed... What can I do about that? It said errors would be in a log file somewhere, but if I can't boot in, what use is it..? Any ideas? |
| 23:45.39 | Flimzy | CBG: intel ibook? |
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| 23:45.49 | CBG | Flimzy: PPC |
| 23:45.58 | voxtop | i added "options wctdm opermode=AUSTRALIA" to the beginning of /etc/modprobe.d/zaptel . after rebooting, asterisk couldn't start, saying it was unable to use /dev/zap/1 despite it existing. i fixed this by removing "wctdm" from /etc/modules . why would that have fixed the problem? |
| 23:45.59 | robin_sz | CBG, insert CD1, at the boot prompt type linux rescue |
| 23:46.02 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: Yep atheros works pretty well in ap mode |
| 23:46.10 | Flimzy | CBG: Try #Debian-ppc. They were very helpful in getting Debian on my powerbook G4 and iMac G3 |
| 23:46.16 | CBG | robin_sz: I'm using a netinst CD |
| 23:46.19 | CBG | still do it? |
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| 23:46.31 | robin_sz | try it at least |
| 23:46.40 | robin_sz | dunno if the netinst has a rescue image |
| 23:46.46 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: any idea how it compares to the prism chipset (which is cheaper, thus desirable :) |
| 23:46.52 | CBG | ok, thanks robin_sz and Flimzy |
| 23:47.33 | xuser | the ssh client for the blackberry is $100 :( |
| 23:48.25 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: There is two prism chipsets one is not fully supported (don't remember the details) but I get better performance with atheros than broadcom or ralink |
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| 23:48.39 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: okay. |
| 23:48.49 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: do you know anything about 802.11n chipsets? |
| 23:49.00 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: There is cheap atheros stuff - any card which does 108 is atheros (125 is broadcom) not sure about others |
| 23:49.34 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: the only card I found on newegg with an atheros chipset is $49.99 for pcmcia. That's not to say there aren't cheaper ones elsewhere, tho |
| 23:49.40 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: Only that none are working in ap mode in linux (excluding binary drivers on ap mode) |
| 23:50.23 | Flimzy | cool. Then I won't even bother researching n chipsets. |
| 23:50.32 | Flimzy | probably wouldn't spend the extra money now anyway, since my laptop doesn't support it. |
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| 23:57.49 | brunner | DerJamster: http://pastebin.com/824593 |
| 23:58.14 | brunner | when I try to start mysqld with --skip-grant-tables it seems to exit early |
| 23:58.44 | brunner | I don't need to keep any information within the databases. if there's some way to reset things to the way they were when I first installed mysql-server, that would be perfect |
| 23:59.01 | abrotman | rerun the postinst ? |
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