| 00:00.35 | Caelum | brunner: dpkg --force-depends --purge mysql-server; apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 00:00.52 | abrotman | seems a bit overkill .. but sure! :) |
| 00:01.03 | Caelum | heh |
| 00:02.13 | tuxub | i have a machine which is getting the load value to something like 15 once in a while and top gives me 100% wait time? what is that all about? the machine stops responding :( |
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| 00:03.02 | stew | tuxub: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
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| 00:03.49 | stew | tuxub: check vmstat, if you see non-zero so you are currently swapping, if you see lots of si you are currently recovering from swapping |
| 00:04.09 | abrotman | or it's just getting stuck in a loop :) |
| 00:05.08 | tuxub | si is 5 |
| 00:05.22 | tuxub | so is 20 |
| 00:05.28 | tuxub | so i am swapping, right? |
| 00:05.30 | stew | tuxub: oh did you just run "vmstat"? |
| 00:06.13 | stew | tuxub: run "vmstat 1" and ignore the first line for current stats, the first line is the average since the last reboot, which tells us that you ahve been swapping, yes, and that's likely the cause of your io load |
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| 00:06.50 | tuxub | ok |
| 00:07.04 | tuxub | now i get so = 0 |
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| 00:07.10 | nosoundresolutio | hey |
| 00:07.19 | tuxub | si = 0 most of the time and ocassionaly si is != 0 |
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| 00:08.01 | abrotman | tuxub: is the machine's load at 15 now ? |
| 00:08.15 | nosoundresolutio | debian havent fixed their resolution/sound problems yet? |
| 00:08.45 | tuxub | now |
| 00:08.47 | tuxub | no |
| 00:08.50 | tuxub | now it is ok |
| 00:08.55 | tuxub | 0.2 |
| 00:09.01 | tuxub | its ocasionaly |
| 00:09.54 | nosoundresolutio | how do i chancha my screen recholuchon |
| 00:10.05 | abrotman | tuxub: you probabbly wnat to do this test when the load is high |
| 00:10.10 | abrotman | !drxx nosoundresolutio |
| 00:10.11 | dpkg | nosoundresolutio: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:10.23 | tuxub | abrotman, ok, thanks... but you are probably right |
| 00:10.31 | nosoundresolutio | cool thanks |
| 00:10.31 | tuxub | the problem should be related with the swap space |
| 00:10.37 | tuxub | it was not enabled |
| 00:10.45 | tuxub | I had to enable it manually |
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| 00:13.12 | abrotman | that's not good |
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| 00:16.51 | mackss | if i install this package will it install all the dependancies? Is this what I should install for php4 working with apache? |
| 00:16.54 | mackss | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:17.18 | Guerin | mackss: aptitude install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:17.24 | Guerin | mackss: deps come in automatically |
| 00:17.37 | Guerin | mackss: don't randomly download and install things on their own from p.d.o |
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| 00:17.44 | abrotman | if you're using apache1 .. use libapach2-mod-php4 for apache2 |
| 00:17.53 | mackss | apache2 |
| 00:17.57 | mackss | shit good call |
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| 00:18.15 | mackss | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:18.20 | mackss | wow thanks for saving me :D |
| 00:18.59 | mackss | Guerin, why does everyone use aptitude now? |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | because you should |
| 00:19.10 | mackss | why shouldn't i just just apt-get install |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | you don't have to .. but you should |
| 00:19.16 | mackss | why should i? |
| 00:19.17 | robin_sz | nah, |
| 00:19.22 | robin_sz | apt-get roxxors |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | aptitude has better problem resolution .. whereas apt-get just gets pissed off and throws a fit .. aptitude will try to work out a solution |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | robin_sz: so don't use the click part .. i don't |
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| 00:20.12 | mackss | will aptitude replace apt? |
| 00:20.13 | anapivirtua | Nighty |
| 00:20.16 | robin_sz | theres a similar cl interface? |
| 00:20.24 | mango | hi can any one please tell me where can i find the log file for the xserver. I have installed debian on a g4 powerbook, works fine with kde, but I get some error about bonobo-activation-server when started with gnome. can any one help me please |
| 00:20.33 | abrotman | robin_sz: you can just type commands in |
| 00:20.36 | nosoundresolutio | am gonna reboot and see if my resolution changes |
| 00:20.39 | nosoundresolutio | laters |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | mackss: i doubt apt-get will ever go away .. but aptitude is better in many ways |
| 00:20.54 | robin_sz | abrotman, in a xterm? |
| 00:21.15 | brunner | Caelum: apt still won't put all of the files back in place. Output: http://pastebin.com/824614 |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | robin_sz: aptitude install <blah> .. just like apt-get install <blah> .. mostly anyways |
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| 00:21.27 | robin_sz | hmm .... sounds OK |
| 00:21.48 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 00:21.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 00:21.56 | Guerin | mackss: read ↑ |
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| 00:24.04 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:24.05 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:25.15 | DavidProck1981 | Im useing "Debian etch" and useing "KDE", would any one know why the "Control Center" is blank, the list to the left that is, the right side of the window displays normaly |
| 00:25.42 | spike723_ | where do I get the "file" program from in debian? |
| 00:25.52 | Guerin | spike723_: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:25.58 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: etch breaks from time to time. |
| 00:26.04 | DerJamster | apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search bin/file |
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| 00:26.44 | DavidProck1981 | it is like that from the get go, do u know what the problem is |
| 00:26.46 | DerJamster | and the package itself..is named 'file' |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:27.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:28.33 | DerJamster | g, r u o k? |
| 00:28.38 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: check the BTS. Suggest using stable if breakage makes you sad. |
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| 00:29.05 | DavidProck1981 | what is BTS? |
| 00:29.11 | robin_sz | bug tracker |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:29.14 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:29.19 | Guerin | !btssmite DavidProck1981 |
| 00:29.46 | brunner | $100 Solution Bounty for anyone who can figure out a fix (it shouldn't be too hard): http://pastebin.com/824614 |
| 00:30.16 | Guerin | brunner: badvertising |
| 00:30.30 | brunner | Guerin: sorry, getting a bit desperate |
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| 00:30.51 | craigevil | brunner: why not ask in #sql |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | first problem .. using pastebin.com :) |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | brunner: moment |
| 00:31.20 | Guerin | brunner: simple: mkdir /var/lib/mysql/ |
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| 00:31.26 | abrotman | !forgot mysql root password |
| 00:31.26 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 00:31.29 | Guerin | you can send my $100 to debian |
| 00:31.50 | aquarius | Is there any way I can get the list of build-deps for a package, without being root? apt-get seems to require me to be root, even if I pass --dry-run. |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | Guerin: you forgot the -p! |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | 'though .. i'd hope /var/lib/ exists :) |
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| 00:33.26 | Guerin | aquarius: download the source and look in the debian/ dir |
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| 00:33.29 | brunner | Guerin: didn't work - see the output: http://pastebin.com/824624 |
| 00:34.06 | aquarius | Guerin: yeah, but then don't I basically have to reimplement apt in order to chase those packages' build-deps, and so on? |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | brunner: this is in the BTS |
| 00:34.41 | Guerin | brunner: you need to reinstall mysql so it creates the socket |
| 00:34.46 | abrotman | brunner: will you pay the $100 to Debian ? |
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| 00:34.59 | brunner | abrotman: absolutely, if I can find a working solution |
| 00:35.19 | brunner | and the person who provides the solution wishes me to send it to debian |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | brunner: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367027 |
| 00:35.32 | brunner | let me try reinstalling mysql |
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| 00:36.28 | earthian | hello |
| 00:36.37 | abrotman | brunner: you have to fix the part it tells you to |
| 00:36.49 | brunner | alright, let me try what's in the BTS |
| 00:37.01 | earthian | need help. i cant start X because it reports that ABI module version does not match server version |
| 00:37.21 | earthian | i have tries installing 8.29.x fglrx driver |
| 00:37.25 | earthian | tried* |
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| 00:38.03 | earthian | does anybody know what does ABI module version means? |
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| 00:38.09 | abrotman | !abi |
| 00:38.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, abi is application binary interface. |
| 00:38.32 | earthian | :S |
| 00:38.37 | earthian | whats wrong then? :S |
| 00:38.41 | Guerin | brunner: it means 'this needs to be rebuilt to work with that' |
| 00:38.42 | earthian | i do not get it |
| 00:38.43 | earthian | :/ |
| 00:38.44 | Guerin | bah |
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| 00:38.45 | Guerin | earthian: |
| 00:39.41 | DavidProck1981 | yo in root user i have full control to my backup HardDrive but ass normal user i dont, does any one know how i can fix that |
| 00:39.47 | lindenle | my panel is gone in kde |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 00:40.00 | earthian | i have downloaded and installed the ati driver run file then ran it with --buildpkg Debian/etch and it successfully compiled me the deb packages which i dpkg -i *.deb then later m-a a-i fglrx |
| 00:40.11 | DavidProck1981 | SO IS MINE lindenle |
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| 00:40.31 | abrotman | !caps |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
| 00:40.34 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: it's fixed already. |
| 00:40.42 | lindenle | DavidProck1981: i guess we are off to see the wizard |
| 00:40.50 | muh2000 | weird problem: MC in a remote terminal. the ".." are listed twice and when i move the curser the whole list gets moved up by one entry. direct at the machine there is no such problem. |
| 00:40.54 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: as a normal use you SHOULD NOT have full access |
| 00:40.56 | lindenle | Guerin: whats the 411 |
| 00:41.14 | Guerin | lindenle: i'm not talking about what you think I am |
| 00:41.18 | mackss | can someone remind me where I edit to tell webmin what IPs to allow to connect to it? |
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| 00:41.25 | DavidProck1981 | im the only user on my pc and that is where i store my stuff |
| 00:41.28 | Guerin | magyar: aptitude purge webmin |
| 00:41.34 | Guerin | mackss: aptitude purge webmin |
| 00:41.45 | lindenle | Guerin: I see |
| 00:41.51 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: store it in /home |
| 00:42.11 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: or in /media/storage, which you conveniently make writable by anyone |
| 00:42.17 | DavidProck1981 | not enough room some times |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | channels! |
| 00:42.49 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: tough. There is no way of getting full access to your system as non-root, and ther eis no way to use root all the time. |
| 00:43.23 | mackss | Guerin, heh i need it though |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | mackss: no .. you don't |
| 00:43.29 | Guerin | !need |
| 00:43.30 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 00:43.31 | DavidProck1981 | not even the files that is on a seterate hdd from the one that holds Debian |
| 00:43.35 | Guerin | NOBODY needs webmin |
| 00:43.43 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 00:43.44 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 00:44.04 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: sure, you can make that writable. |
| 00:44.10 | DavidProck1981 | how |
| 00:44.20 | abrotman | it might be useful if he could communicate in english ... |
| 00:44.23 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: we don't know until you tell us. |
| 00:44.37 | earthian | !fglrx |
| 00:44.37 | dpkg | fglrx is, like, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 00:44.38 | DavidProck1981 | please |
| 00:44.56 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: WWE CANNOT KNOW UNTIL YOU GIVE US MORE FUCKING INFORMATION you idiot |
| 00:44.57 | muh2000 | problem with vim. when i move the curser to the end of the line (with arrow keys) and press "i" and once right arrow it throws me some unwanted signs in the file. before (reinstalled) that was no problem o_O |
| 00:45.15 | magyar | ouch |
| 00:45.19 | DavidProck1981 | i can read but i can not delete or wright |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | muh2000: could be bad term emulation |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | write! |
| 00:45.34 | DavidProck1981 | write |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: did you go to school in the united states ? |
| 00:45.43 | muh2000 | write ? |
| 00:45.49 | earthian | lol |
| 00:45.51 | DavidProck1981 | im just a very bad speller |
| 00:46.22 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: that doesn't give us any information about WHAT sort of setup you have |
| 00:46.33 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: which we need to know before we can offer a solution |
| 00:46.36 | abrotman | wtf did brunner go? BASTARD DIDN'T PAY! |
| 00:46.37 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: BE SPECIFIC |
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| 00:46.53 | Guerin | abrotman: i was right, i want my hundy! |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. i was |
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| 00:47.07 | abrotman | Guerin: it's a problem in the init script |
| 00:47.08 | Guerin | abrotman: shuddup ... it was me!\ |
| 00:47.11 | DavidProck1981 | it is hdh1 and hdh2 i want full access for me or any app |
| 00:47.21 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: more information. |
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| 00:47.26 | mackss | so since everyone here says not to use webmin what is an easy way to handle mysql dbs? |
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| 00:47.29 | DavidProck1981 | like what |
| 00:47.39 | Guerin | mackss: 'man mysql' |
| 00:47.43 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know what else to say |
| 00:47.48 | mackss | Guerin, that's not easy to all |
| 00:47.49 | magyar | phpmyadmin |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | magyar: you're not helping |
| 00:47.59 | earthian | mackss: search for mysql admin in synaptic |
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| 00:48.03 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: what filesystem, etc. |
| 00:48.05 | mackss | magyar, thanks |
| 00:48.06 | earthian | or apt-cache |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | mackss: it's not hard .. it's a good thing to learn |
| 00:48.15 | DavidProck1981 | Ext3 |
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| 00:48.44 | tnks | Hi. I'm using Joey Hess's sleepd daemon, but I have USB keyboards and mouse, and every time I reboot the system, different interrupts are used. Can I control this in anyway? |
| 00:48.52 | mackss | abrotman, at the moment i don't have enough time |
| 00:48.55 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: read info coreutils chown and chmod, and man ls |
| 00:48.57 | mackss | perhaps some day |
| 00:48.58 | muh2000 | abrotman: the "bad term emulation" where could be the stone in the gears? maybe my localization for my language? or the keyboard setting (for my language)? or something like total broken application from the start ? |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | mackss: better to learn now :) |
| 00:49.09 | mackss | apt-get purge webmin ? |
| 00:49.16 | abrotman | muh2000: echo $TERM |
| 00:49.23 | mackss | or is purge aptitude only? |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | mackss: apt-get --purge remove |
| 00:49.30 | webfreak | use remove --purge with apt |
| 00:49.31 | DavidProck1981 | how do i read that, r those commands |
| 00:49.40 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about r |
| 00:49.45 | magyar | users of sid, do you have problems with kcontrol?, like no icons on left hand side? |
| 00:49.52 | mackss | apt-get --purge remove webmin |
| 00:49.52 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about wud |
| 00:49.53 | mackss | ? |
| 00:49.54 | Guerin | check the fucking BTS |
| 00:50.12 | mackss | err apt-get remove --purge webmin |
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| 00:50.41 | Guerin | mackss: file one. |
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| 00:50.44 | Marupa | Quick questoin....How do you update an ssl certificate, for, say Dovecot? |
| 00:50.44 | Guerin | magyar: |
| 00:50.51 | muh2000 | abrotman: "echo $term" -> one empty line no output. |
| 00:50.55 | mackss | Guerin, huh? |
| 00:51.06 | Guerin | Marupa: i think myrddin.org has a howto which is applicable. |
| 00:51.10 | Marupa | thanks |
| 00:51.14 | Guerin | mackss: i'm retarded, ignore me. |
| 00:51.15 | webfreak | muh2000: $TERM, not $term |
| 00:51.26 | Guerin | Marupa: it's for apache, but the principles hold. |
| 00:51.41 | bee | hi, I've started the dhcp3-server |
| 00:51.48 | magyar | k |
| 00:51.50 | webfreak | cool |
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| 00:52.07 | Marupa | not seeing one in there, Guerin. Is it in the archives? |
| 00:52.21 | Guerin | Marupa: it's quite old, so possibly. |
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| 00:52.27 | earthian | could somebody help me debug a problem with graphics driver? xorg log file: http://85.206.215.56/index.html |
| 00:52.27 | mackss | I am sorry to ask this again but since you all hate webmin so much maybe you will be happy that I am trying to remove it properly :D Is "apt-get remove --purge webmin" the proper command? |
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| 00:52.32 | Werdna | hey, what mail server do you guys recommend? |
| 00:52.36 | bee | from sarge. It fails telling me to check syslog for diagnostics |
| 00:52.39 | Guerin | mackss: suck it and see |
| 00:52.45 | Guerin | Werdna: not qmail |
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| 00:52.51 | Marupa | I use postfix. |
| 00:52.54 | webfreak | Werdna: what he said, and postfix |
| 00:52.54 | bee | but /var/log/syslog is empty. What can I do? |
| 00:52.57 | Marupa | postfix and dovecot. |
| 00:53.10 | earthian | mackss: apt-get --purge remove webmon |
| 00:53.13 | earthian | mackss: apt-get --purge remove webmin * |
| 00:53.20 | webfreak | uh, not * |
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| 00:53.35 | earthian | without * |
| 00:53.40 | earthian | * = correction |
| 00:53.41 | earthian | :o |
| 00:53.47 | earthian | anyway... |
| 00:53.47 | webfreak | oh, right |
| 00:53.54 | earthian | could somebody help me debug a problem with graphics driver? xorg log file: http://85.206.215.56/index.html |
| 00:53.58 | Marupa | I know it was a three liner to update the ssl, but I don't know where it went. |
| 00:54.01 | magyar | * means all |
| 00:54.06 | earthian | i need that very much.. now sitting in console :( |
| 00:54.12 | Guerin | !need |
| 00:54.13 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 00:54.32 | mackss | earthian, thank you |
| 00:54.33 | earthian | magyar: * in apt-get means bad regex |
| 00:54.37 | bee | earthian: 404 file not found |
| 00:54.40 | earthian | i tried that :/ |
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| 00:54.45 | earthian | ph |
| 00:54.47 | webfreak | use pastebin or something |
| 00:54.48 | earthian | hm |
| 00:54.57 | magyar | *-* |
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| 00:55.15 | the_lord | Hi! |
| 00:55.23 | the_lord | please help with bluetooth |
| 00:55.26 | earthian | could somebody help me debug a problem with graphics driver? xorg log file: http://85.206.215.56/ <--- wihout index then? |
| 00:55.32 | the_lord | I can send things from the device to the laptop but I can't do it backwards |
| 00:55.35 | Werdna | uh.. postfix doesn't have ANY way of accessing the mail itself. |
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| 00:55.47 | magyar | earthian: try #xorg |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | muh2000: it's $TERM |
| 00:55.58 | muh2000 | webfreak, abrotman: "echo $TERM" output is "xterm" or "linux" |
| 00:56.02 | earthian | #j xorg |
| 00:56.05 | earthian | ups |
| 00:56.06 | earthian | :o |
| 00:56.10 | Guerin | Werdna: indeed. It's a SMTP server. |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | muh2000: does it happen with nvi ? |
| 00:56.45 | Marupa | Werdna: WHich is why I said dovecot. |
| 00:56.45 | Werdna | Guerin: then how do I actually, you know, retrieve the mail? |
| 00:56.51 | Marupa | Dovecot |
| 00:56.53 | Marupa | :3 |
| 00:56.57 | Guerin | Werdna: with a pop/imap server |
| 00:57.00 | the_lord | please? |
| 00:57.07 | magyar | mutt |
| 00:57.08 | Guerin | Werdna: or by reading the mail directly from spool |
| 00:57.22 | magyar | is the bomb for email retreaval |
| 00:57.34 | Werdna | Guerin: recommended pop/imap server? |
| 00:57.46 | Marupa | Werdna: Dovecot, for the third time :P |
| 00:57.47 | Guerin | doivecot is supposed to be mo'betta |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | depends on the needs |
| 00:57.57 | Guerin | but courier has been awesome for me |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | courier has ass-crap shared maildirs |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | but is probably better if you don't need those |
| 00:58.11 | Caelum | imapd |
| 00:58.20 | Marupa | dovecot's one of the best, for generic use. |
| 00:58.21 | magyar | also courier sucks with mysql users |
| 00:58.24 | Guerin | stay away from wu-* |
| 00:58.31 | Guerin | magyar: works fine for me |
| 00:58.44 | Caelum | what's wrong with wu-? they wrote imap didn't they? |
| 00:58.48 | Guerin | magyar: a bit of a bastard to set up, though |
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| 00:58.57 | bee | the_lord: I recall a similar problem... |
| 00:58.59 | Caelum | and the wu-imapd takes like, no setup whatsoever |
| 00:59.02 | magyar | Guerin: how do you create a Maildir for new sql users with courier? |
| 00:59.03 | Guerin | Caelum: wu-* has a history of being broken and insecure. Goed for wu-* too. |
| 00:59.09 | Werdna | hrm.. I like the fancy webmail and such |
| 00:59.13 | Guerin | magyar: send a mail to it. |
| 00:59.17 | Caelum | Werdna: squirrelmail |
| 00:59.24 | Guerin | magyar: hint: the MTA doe it, not the imapd |
| 00:59.29 | magyar | Guerin: it usually tells me to fuck off |
| 00:59.30 | Werdna | basically, I'm looking for a replacement for MS-Exchange |
| 00:59.33 | Guerin | there is no good webmail |
| 00:59.36 | Werdna | and I'm used to having zillions of features |
| 00:59.40 | Guerin | magyar: *shrug* |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | Caelum: the author is an ass .. not a friendly guy |
| 00:59.42 | Marupa | squirrelmail's the best, IMO. |
| 00:59.48 | Guerin | Werdna: you probably want horde/imp |
| 00:59.55 | Guerin | or openmail |
| 00:59.55 | Marupa | horde's ok. |
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| 01:00.00 | bee | I don't know if it's the same from my recodings but I remember it was mentioned on the gnome-blueetooh website |
| 01:00.03 | Caelum | abrotman: the wu-imapd author? Yeah, I think I've heard that... |
| 01:00.11 | Guerin | horde is horrible, bloated and php, but it does have shitloads of features |
| 01:00.12 | bee | googling for it should lead you to an answer |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | Werdna: while cyrus is a bitch to setup .. it's pretty nice once it is going |
| 01:00.28 | magyar | Guerin: postfix with virtual delivery works fine, courier with courier-maildrop just ignores to make the Maildir |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | Werdna: at least with shared maildirs |
| 01:00.42 | Guerin | magyar: pebcak |
| 01:00.50 | magyar | hmm? |
| 01:00.54 | Guerin | !pebcak |
| 01:00.55 | dpkg | i heard pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 01:01.07 | magyar | -_- |
| 01:01.08 | magyar | nice |
| 01:01.12 | mango | Ok gays, this is the error message I get when I start gnome on the g4 powerbook : if you can not help please tell me where to go. cause I tried many rooms already with no luck: localhost bonobo-activation-server (root-4225): -- The bonobo-activation-server must be forked by libbonobo-activation, and cannot be run itself. This is due to us doing client side locking. -- |
| 01:01.12 | mango | thanks |
| 01:01.28 | magyar | gays |
| 01:01.30 | magyar | ??? |
| 01:01.31 | Guerin | magyar: solution: don't use gnome. |
| 01:01.38 | Caelum | heh |
| 01:01.38 | Guerin | mango: solution: don't use gnome. |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | something is using bonobo .. which is gnome-ish |
| 01:02.10 | Caelum | mango: are you using gnome-session? |
| 01:02.18 | Guerin | mango: all the subsystems named after animals are what makes gnome evil. One breaks, it brings the whole farm cashing down. |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | cairo ? |
| 01:03.10 | dlynch | anyone able to tell me a good app to do port scanning? I want it to scan my own network |
| 01:03.13 | mango | guerin: well, the error shows as soon as I get into gnome session |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | guess it's not a gnome lib |
| 01:03.18 | Guerin | dlynch: nmap |
| 01:03.18 | abrotman | dlynch: nmap ? |
| 01:03.33 | Guerin | mango: yes, hence: use something that's not gnome |
| 01:03.42 | Guerin | guaranteed 100% fix, 100% of the time |
| 01:03.59 | dlynch | abrotman; Guerin: thanks I will take a look |
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| 01:04.16 | Guerin | !date |
| 01:04.16 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.11.15 1:04:16 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 01:04.21 | Caelum | dlynch: nessus for more complete security testing |
| 01:04.34 | mango | Guerin: thanks man, unfortunately it is not for me I have to make work on gnome, good advice anyway |
| 01:04.46 | dlynch | abrotman: did you get a chance to talk a look at my dump yesterday, I got back too late and you had gone :( |
| 01:04.55 | Guerin | mango: then your options are upgrade, or downgrade, or reinstall. |
| 01:04.58 | Guerin | mango: good luck. |
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| 01:05.14 | abrotman | dlynch: your toilet .. your business! |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | dlynch: which are we talking about ? |
| 01:05.22 | Guerin | dlynch: corn ... and peas. |
| 01:05.27 | Guerin | dlynch: and you need more fibre. |
| 01:05.40 | blondie | Guerin: I hope you wore rubber gloves |
| 01:05.49 | Guerin | blondie: look, but don't touch. |
| 01:05.49 | dlynch | lol |
| 01:06.00 | mango | guerin: ok, that is a good suggestion. I am currently using sarge how can I upgrade to etch version from there |
| 01:06.03 | mango | thanks |
| 01:06.17 | abrotman | !tell mango about sarge->etch |
| 01:06.18 | Guerin | mango: sarge should be working, I suspect you're not using 100% sarge. |
| 01:06.19 | muh2000 | abrotman: nvi works. :) but there is nor description anymore where in which line the curser currently is :( |
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| 01:06.24 | dlynch | abrotman: I put a dump of my access.log on http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 01:06.32 | Guerin | upgrading to etch is unlikly to make things unbroken |
| 01:06.33 | dlynch | abrotman: its to do with squid |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | dlynch: oh .. it was just odd .. |
| 01:06.47 | mackss | to install mysql for debian sarge is this the correct package? http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mysql-server |
| 01:06.49 | sanabriamusic | what is the command that tells me everything that on my system |
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| 01:06.55 | abrotman | dlynch: which you already know |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:06.59 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 01:06.59 | Guerin | mackss: yes. |
| 01:07.01 | mango | guerin: I am defenetly using sarge |
| 01:07.18 | Guerin | mango: then /msg dpkg remove gnome, follow the instructions, then reinstall. |
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| 01:07.28 | Guerin | mango: gnome in sarge is definitely not broken. |
| 01:07.34 | dlynch | abrotman: ok, didn't know if you had any other ideas |
| 01:07.37 | dlynch | thanks :) |
| 01:07.38 | magyar | sanabriamusic: dpkg -l|grep |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | dlynch: maybe guerin does! |
| 01:07.43 | sanabriamusic | thanks |
| 01:07.44 | magyar | sanabriamusic: dpkg -l|grep ii |
| 01:08.03 | mango | guerin: I will try that . thanks |
| 01:08.32 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.52 | the_lord | bee: so, what should I do??? |
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| 01:09.27 | mackss | mango, without the space in front of /msg |
| 01:09.41 | rxed | When is Etch going stable? I forgot the month. |
| 01:09.41 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:09.58 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 01:10.04 | bee | rxed: when It's ready I hope |
| 01:10.21 | rxed | bee: No, it has been announced. I think December or January but I can't remeber. |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | rxed: no .. it hasn't |
| 01:10.38 | mackss | mango, copy and paste this exactly "/msg dpkg remove gnome" without the "" |
| 01:10.42 | mackss | then hit enter |
| 01:11.25 | mango | mackss: that worked |
| 01:11.28 | rxed | abrotman: I was so sure that Etch Freeze was announcced while back. hrm. |
| 01:11.47 | sanabriamusic | its sarge a term used for stabled packages or is it a specific thing |
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| 01:12.03 | magyar | ever sinse i discovered backport |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | !releases |
| 01:12.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 01:12.28 | magyar | sanabriamusic: current stable |
| 01:12.38 | hobophobe | Is there a reason that all programs don't log through a common interface (either a lib or daemon)? |
| 01:12.44 | sanabriamusic | ok cool |
| 01:12.52 | Guerin | !etch pool |
| 01:12.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 01:13.18 | Guerin | then again, i normally just bet my birthday |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | i did! |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | unless something super bad happens. . i've lost |
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| 01:13.44 | magyar | mine is on February 29 |
| 01:13.48 | rxed | I tried Etch Net Install today on a laptop with SATA drives and encountered the error. Other distro's (SuSe/Fedora) worked fine. Question: Can I report this bug without using the exact error lingo? |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | rxed: which controller ? |
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| 01:14.32 | rxed | abrotman: let me check. just a sec. |
| 01:14.34 | voxtop | is 2.3.6.ds1-4 an old version of libc6? |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | in etch/sid .. yes |
| 01:14.45 | sanabriamusic | when i install debian so that it could dual boot rather than win me it makes the grub function....but if i do it with blag linux it doesnt boot |
| 01:14.51 | sanabriamusic | anybody know why |
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| 01:15.05 | lostinWoods | when I type command in the shell, it tells me that command it is not found, how can I fix that? |
| 01:15.20 | voxtop | lostinWoods: the command isn't in your path ($PATH) |
| 01:15.24 | Guerin | lostinWoods: echo $PATH |
| 01:15.44 | lostinWoods | when I echo $PATH it is too long, I think it has errors in it |
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| 01:15.51 | Guerin | lostinWoods: did you fuck with it? |
| 01:15.53 | magyar | .$commandname |
| 01:15.54 | lostinWoods | it is school computer, and account was set up for me |
| 01:16.10 | Guerin | lostinWoods: what command are you trying to run? |
| 01:16.16 | lostinWoods | make |
| 01:16.25 | Guerin | lostinWoods: type 'which make' |
| 01:16.31 | lostinWoods | and that uses rm |
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| 01:16.50 | lostinWoods | and it crashes with msg rm not found |
| 01:17.02 | Guerin | lostinWoods: contact your sysadmin |
| 01:17.17 | lostinWoods | there is no way i can change path myself? |
| 01:17.20 | rxed | abrotman: Firefox just crashed my system. Give me 3 min. :) |
| 01:17.28 | Guerin | lostinWoods: there is, but how will you know what to change it to? |
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| 01:17.44 | blondie | lost in the forest in connecticut? |
| 01:17.45 | Guerin | lostinWoods: only the sysadmin can tell you what PATH ought to be. |
| 01:17.52 | marcelita | hi.. i have a little question.. now that JAVA is with the GPL, i mean Free Software.. al the software that i make with java must be Free Software too? and must be with the GPL too? |
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| 01:18.00 | Guerin | marcelita: no. |
| 01:18.09 | blondie | marcelita: no |
| 01:18.13 | marcelita | why? |
| 01:18.13 | Guerin | marcelita: java will be released with 'the classpath exception', google it. |
| 01:18.20 | lostinWoods | my current path is: /apps/Xapps/bin:/apps/pubsoft/Sunos4.1.x/bin:/apps/Gnu/Sunos4.1.x/bin:/apps/newGnu/Sunos4.1.x/bin:/apps/a2/frame4.0/bin:.:/home/vap01001:/home/vap01001/bin:/usr/openwin/bin/xview:/usr/openwin/bin:/apps/matlab/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/lang:/usr/local/Gnu/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/elm:/usr/local:/usr/ucb:/usr/bin:/usr/etc:/usr/sbin |
| 01:18.31 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:18.32 | marcelita | wait.. |
| 01:18.35 | muh2000 | in vi (nvi) i used to have a description about where the curser is located. f.e.: "line 3" i havnt got that after reinstall :( how can i switch that on? ( i do not mean the number in front of every line) |
| 01:18.35 | magyar | isnt java like an api? |
| 01:18.40 | lostinWoods | maybe i can clean it a bit? |
| 01:18.45 | Guerin | magyar: it's a programming language |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | lostinWoods: why are you asking us about Solaris ? |
| 01:18.56 | lostinWoods | its debian |
| 01:19.03 | Guerin | lostinWoods: no. Never fuck with such things before talking to your sysadmin, and what abrotman said. |
| 01:19.10 | blondie | lostinWoods: why is there sunos stuff there? |
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| 01:19.18 | lostinWoods | dunno |
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| 01:19.25 | abrotman | lostinWoods: cat /proc/version |
| 01:19.26 | Guerin | lostinWoods: so you need to talk to the BOFH |
| 01:19.26 | blondie | marcelita: that'd be like saying everything you compiled with gcc had to be GPL |
| 01:19.33 | sanabriamusic | last time i pasted that much i was dunked into the paste bin head first |
| 01:19.35 | simmerz | where would I find the definition for the default home directory when i create a new user? |
| 01:19.36 | sanabriamusic | :) |
| 01:19.42 | Guerin | blondie: not quite. The classpath exception exists for a reason. |
| 01:19.48 | marcelita | blondie, ok that's right.. but it must be Free? |
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| 01:19.56 | blondie | marcelita: negative |
| 01:19.56 | Guerin | marcelita: NO |
| 01:20.03 | marcelita | :S |
| 01:20.06 | marcelita | i'm so confused.. |
| 01:20.09 | blondie | don't worry about it |
| 01:20.10 | Guerin | marcelita: LOOK UP THE FUCKING EXECPTION |
| 01:20.23 | marcelita | Guerin, ok.. thanks.. |
| 01:20.58 | ayaa | how to generate the password to set with the command "useradd -p password newuser" ? |
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| 01:21.30 | aFlag | hello |
| 01:21.46 | aFlag | I just bought a LCD screen and the fonts look really ugly. How do I fix that? |
| 01:21.51 | blondie | ayaa: the crypt function |
| 01:21.54 | Guerin | ayaa: WIwyIu2btfmteyc <- 'WHen I was young I used to be the finest man that ever you'd see' |
| 01:22.07 | blondie | aFlag: you probably need to change the resolution you're using to the monitor's native one |
| 01:22.09 | Guerin | ayaa: pick some random shit like that |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | and then you discovered beer and got fat and ugly :) |
| 01:22.17 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:22.22 | Guerin | and stupid |
| 01:22.28 | aFlag | blondie, no, that's ok |
| 01:22.32 | blondie | pwgen generates random passwords |
| 01:22.43 | aFlag | it's on my monitor's native resolution |
| 01:22.45 | Guerin | aFlag: lcds need antialiasing |
| 01:22.48 | blondie | aFlag: define really ugly then? |
| 01:22.53 | ayaa | blackhat, is that function packager anywhere ? |
| 01:23.00 | sanabriamusic | bush ugly? |
| 01:23.05 | blondie | lol |
| 01:23.16 | aFlag | well, they were worse than they were on crt monitor, but I don't know how to describe it |
| 01:23.16 | Guerin | depends on the bush |
| 01:23.18 | ayaa | oops blondie ^^ |
| 01:23.22 | aFlag | Guerin, what's that? |
| 01:23.30 | Guerin | aFlag: what's what? |
| 01:23.36 | blondie | ayaa: probably, dunno |
| 01:23.40 | aFlag | antialiasing |
| 01:23.44 | aFlag | that lcd's need |
| 01:23.52 | Guerin | !fgi aFlag antialiasing |
| 01:23.52 | dpkg | aFlag: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=antialiasing |
| 01:24.00 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 01:24.00 | magyar | cheep monitor |
| 01:24.03 | Guerin | aFlag: aka 'hinting' |
| 01:24.05 | blondie | aFlag: it smoothes things. |
| 01:24.16 | magyar | cheap |
| 01:24.18 | rxed | abrotman: Ok, the controller that's crashing etch during partitioning is lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVA |
| 01:24.21 | blondie | I doubt it's due to "cheap" monitors |
| 01:24.22 | rxed | 18:22 < blondie> pwgen generates random passwords |
| 01:24.22 | Guerin | aFlag: different lcds also require different orders |
| 01:24.24 | rxed | 18:22 < aFlag> it's on my monitor's native resolution |
| 01:24.27 | rxed | 18:22 < Guerin> aFlag: lcds need antialiasing |
| 01:24.27 | muh2000 | i have a problem with mc. the menu is covered by chars -> http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2387/linuxmcra1.jpg :( |
| 01:24.29 | rxed | 18:22 < blondie> aFlag: define really ugly then? |
| 01:24.32 | rxed | 18:22 < ayaa> blackhat, is that function packager anywhere ? |
| 01:24.34 | rxed | 18:22 < sanabriamusic> bush ugly? |
| 01:24.35 | blondie | rxed: stop that |
| 01:24.37 | rxed | 18:23 < blondie> lol |
| 01:24.39 | rxed | 18:23 < aFlag> well, they were worse than they were on crt monitor, but I don't know how to describe it |
| 01:24.40 | Guerin | rxed: you fucking idiot |
| 01:24.43 | rxed | 18:23 < Guerin> depends on the bush |
| 01:24.45 | rxed | 18:23 < ayaa> oops blondie ^^ |
| 01:24.48 | rxed | 18:23 < aFlag> Guerin, what's that? |
| 01:24.50 | rxed | 18:23 < Guerin> aFlag: what's what? |
| 01:24.51 | blondie | !ops rxed spamming |
| 01:24.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: rxed spamming |
| 01:24.52 | sanabriamusic | true |
| 01:24.53 | rxed | soooorrryyy |
| 01:25.01 | sanabriamusic | i mean george w bush |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | blondie: no .. he copied the wrong section |
| 01:25.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:25.08 | sanabriamusic | not that other hairy one |
| 01:25.10 | blondie | I realised |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | mentor: he's done |
| 01:25.16 | blondie | but it was still spam :P |
| 01:25.19 | abrotman | it was an accident |
| 01:25.25 | blondie | still annoying ;) |
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| 01:25.35 | rxed | abrotman: the controller that's giving Etch parititioning tool a headache is Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | blondie: so are lots of other people .. but they're still here :) |
| 01:26.06 | blondie | mentor: you'd make a bad soldier/etc |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | rxed: that should be fine with etch .. you can ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:26.21 | Guerin | blondie: but a good officer, perhaps |
| 01:26.24 | mentor | blondie: I'd make a better soldier than an American |
| 01:26.27 | mentor | :p |
| 01:26.28 | Phated | Hah. |
| 01:26.31 | blondie | haha |
| 01:26.32 | rxed | I'm not sure how to report this. I don't have the exact error message. It was something very vague anyways. "could not partition because of an unknown error" |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:27.14 | rxed | abrotman: It works fine if you partition entire disk. If you need to format just one partition (e.g. dual boot) it aborts with 'unknown error'. |
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| 01:27.19 | abrotman | rxed: they might know the issue .. also .. have you tried a daily ? |
| 01:27.28 | Guerin | heh, i just got a spam full of proverbs |
| 01:27.35 | aFlag | Guerin, google tells me what antialiasing is, but it doesn't seem to tell me how can I use it. |
| 01:27.39 | rxed | abrotman: no, didn't try daily. I think this was 'beta 3' |
| 01:27.46 | mentor | No, that's a lie. Although I know how to shoot well, I'm a lazy slob. |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | rxed: try a daily |
| 01:28.21 | rxed | abrotman: ok. ty. |
| 01:28.47 | Guerin | aFlag: gnome and kde have widgets for it in kcontrol. Xterm and such have xresources for it., Depends what you need to make it work in. |
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| 01:28.52 | Guerin | aFlag: some toolkits can't. |
| 01:28.55 | sanabriamusic | dpkg-reformat wife reboot |
| 01:28.55 | sabu | hola |
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| 01:30.43 | rxed | sabbat: ghueeno there. |
| 01:30.48 | aFlag | hum, ok |
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| 01:31.50 | aFlag | hum, my xterm doesn't have the name antialiasing on its manpage, does it go by other name? |
| 01:31.50 | marcelita | blondie, There is a lot of software with this classpath exception? |
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| 01:33.12 | xopher | Hi! Any debian developers in the Helsinki area? Id need to get a gpg-key signed. |
| 01:34.02 | Guerin | xopher: better off asking debian-devel mailing list |
| 01:34.37 | Guerin | marcelita: the classpath exception was written for the GNU classpath, a free reimplementation of java. |
| 01:35.26 | Guerin | marcelita: so it applies to the source of that implementation only, unless someone else has taken it up, which I'm not aware of. |
| 01:35.28 | faderhval | how can i chmod a dir with all subdirs??? man says nothing about it |
| 01:35.37 | Guerin | faderhval: infor coreutils chmod |
| 01:35.43 | Guerin | info, not infor |
| 01:35.49 | simmerz | where would I find the definition for the default home directory when i create a new user? |
| 01:35.51 | Guerin | faderhval: and chmod --help does |
| 01:35.58 | Guerin | simmerz: /etc/skel/ |
| 01:36.11 | faderhval | Guerin: where?? |
| 01:36.21 | Guerin | faderhval: where what? |
| 01:36.27 | simmerz | Guerin. that only defines the structure of the home dir |
| 01:36.49 | Guerin | simmerz: oh, you want it to be someplace other than /home/username? |
| 01:36.53 | faderhval | where does it say anything about chmodding the subdirs of a folder??? |
| 01:36.54 | simmerz | Guerin: yes |
| 01:37.08 | simmerz | sorry, wasn't clear in the initial question |
| 01:37.12 | Guerin | simmerz: i think you need to specify that manually |
| 01:37.19 | Guerin | simmerz: unsure, though. |
| 01:37.40 | simmerz | Guerin: I'm sure its defined somewhere. otherwise how would it know to go to /home/$user ? |
| 01:37.41 | faderhval | is it the -R option i dont know what recursive meens :( |
| 01:37.52 | Guerin | faderhval: in 'info coreutils chmod'; and 'chmod --help' |
| 01:38.09 | Guerin | simmerz: it's one of those Rules Of The Universe. But you might be right. |
| 01:38.11 | rxed | I have a home made DVD. It plays fine. Is there a way to export the movie to web-compatible format? |
| 01:38.19 | simmerz | Guerin: 42 |
| 01:38.22 | Guerin | !fgi faderhval recursive |
| 01:38.22 | dpkg | faderhval: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=recursive |
| 01:38.46 | Guerin | rxed: any format is web-compatible, since they can all be transferred over tcp/ip |
| 01:39.01 | faderhval | thats nice your a real people person arent you! |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | theora |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | !theora |
| 01:39.07 | dpkg | well, theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project. http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
| 01:39.25 | Guerin | faderhval: keeping #debian real since 2003 |
| 01:39.45 | rxed | Guerin: no kidding. web-compatible viewing for you means 'trasfer over IP/TCP'? |
| 01:40.01 | faderhval | it doesnt hurt to be friendly you know |
| 01:40.05 | Guerin | rxed: what does it mean to you? I click on a link, the video downloads and I watch it. |
| 01:40.13 | simmerz | rxed: there isn't a web compatible format. it depends entirely on what the user has as a player and the codecs that player supports |
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| 01:40.50 | simmerz | hence Guerin's answer is actually quite accurate |
| 01:41.04 | rxed | Guerin: that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to put it on a web page. I guess my question is "Is there a way to export DVD movie to mpeg or avi?" |
| 01:41.05 | Guerin | rxed: I *urge* you not to use some braindead lugin-requiring evilness, or worse yet, the hatefulness that is google video/youtube flash |
| 01:41.21 | Guerin | rxed: strictly speaking, your dvd is already an mpg |
| 01:41.37 | Guerin | rxed: you probably want to re-code it to make it smaller, though. |
| 01:41.49 | simmerz | Guerin: I dont think flash is a bad thing when used appropriately, like for video, where it is actually quite good. I just despise it being used to build and entire website! |
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| 01:41.56 | Guerin | flash IS a bad thing |
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| 01:42.06 | Guerin | and particularly for video |
| 01:42.09 | rxed | Guerin: ok. how do I re-code it? |
| 01:42.18 | simmerz | Guerin: only from an OSS point of view |
| 01:42.22 | Guerin | the whole precept of using a web browser as a media player is COMPLETELY FUCKED |
| 01:42.33 | simmerz | Guerin: thats a matter of opinion |
| 01:42.37 | Guerin | simmerz: it's called 'making work for admins' |
| 01:42.50 | Guerin | rxed: use mencoder or suchlike. |
| 01:43.18 | Guerin | simmerz: there is nothing wrong at all with a plain old 'click a link and it downloads and plays in a media player' situation |
| 01:43.31 | simmerz | and the definition of the web is changing very very quickly at the moment. what it does and doesn't do. to deny that video is coming to the web as a viewing medium is like someone in the 50's saying that TV shouldn't used to watch films - they should all be at the cinema |
| 01:43.40 | Guerin | it works, everywhere, reliably, and gives control over settings and such to the audience |
| 01:43.51 | simmerz | Guerin: i don't disagree. I just think you haven't thought the situation through enough |
| 01:43.58 | simmerz | my opinion. doesn't have to count for anythin |
| 01:44.01 | simmerz | +g |
| 01:44.12 | Guerin | simmerz: no, I have. The fact that it IS being used that was doesn't make that a good thing, or even an appropriate thing. |
| 01:44.16 | zinx | the whole concept of me not being able to watch the video because you don't allow me to download it is broken |
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| 01:44.51 | rxed | Guerin: If DVD has an mpeg file, can't I just copy that to my hard disk? If I can, how do I find the file? I'm looking at the disk and I don't see anything that ends with .mpg or .mpeg |
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| 01:44.57 | zinx | entirely due to trying to artificially limit what's possible |
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| 01:45.04 | simmerz | zinx: again, thats opinion. say you want a video to play as the background of a web page - much like xgl allows you to do with the background of your screen. how would you suggest doing that? |
| 01:45.05 | Guerin | it's an example of pretending to be user-friendly by adding layers of abstraction to railroad userrs into a particular behaviour, more suited to commercial moives like advertising. |
| 01:45.33 | zinx | simmerz: not in a way which doesn't allow me to download it. that's also going to eat CPU to a point where your site is unusable |
| 01:45.44 | simmerz | zinx: today maybe. have you thought about tomorrow? |
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| 01:46.24 | zinx | simmerz: Yes. And it's still not right if I can't watch it how I want to watch it too. |
| 01:46.24 | Guerin | simmerz: there's no reason that couldn't be done as an option. But to REQUIRE it? |
| 01:46.24 | simmerz | and re downloading it. its just there to provide a different user experience. its not there to be downloaded. |
| 01:46.24 | Guerin | but it DOES get downloaded |
| 01:46.24 | Guerin | either way |
| 01:46.26 | zinx | simmerz: The user experience if I can't download it manually is that I can't watch it at all. |
| 01:46.27 | Guerin | it's just that the UI pretends it doesn't |
| 01:46.42 | zinx | and yes, if you're watching it, it's reaching your computer |
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| 01:46.46 | simmerz | I understand where you're coming from, believe me. But I think your opinions are flawed. feel free to disagree, and you evidently do. but please accept my opinion. |
| 01:47.03 | zinx | simmerz: what do you think my opinion is, exactly? |
| 01:47.25 | simmerz | that you want to watch the video regardless of its context within a player of your choosing. thats fine. however, context is involved in my example. |
| 01:47.30 | rxed | I'm trying to apt update testing and it hangs on 99% [Sources bzip2 0]. |
| 01:47.43 | zinx | simmerz: you're completely ignoring one very important fact |
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| 01:48.05 | zinx | simmerz: The movie you want me to be able to watch (in any context) is entirely unwatchable to me if you don't let me download it. |
| 01:48.13 | simmerz | and why is that? |
| 01:48.14 | Azar | rxed, to> testing ? |
| 01:48.20 | zinx | simmerz: Because flash does not support 64-bit. |
| 01:48.23 | rxed | Azar: yes. |
| 01:48.35 | simmerz | zinx: that wont be for long. |
| 01:48.37 | Guerin | and is not free software |
| 01:48.40 | rxed | Azar: no, wait. I'm trying to update testing, not upgrade to it. |
| 01:48.49 | Guerin | and is broken even on those non-windows platforms it DOES support |
| 01:48.51 | bee | I've started dhcpd3 on debian sarge but fails complaining about checking syslog for diagnostics. I've check /var/log/syslog but the file is empty. Any suggestion? |
| 01:49.01 | Azar | :) try aptitude update / aptitude upgrade |
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| 01:49.20 | simmerz | Guerin: bullshit to free software. OSS is great, but if an app is a good one, then thats fine. the free software argument doesn't hold for me. I use linux because I like it, not because its free. |
| 01:49.22 | rxed | Azar: I find apt easier. :/ |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:49.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
| 01:49.38 | Azar | rxed, aptitude is stronger with dependencies |
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| 01:50.03 | Azar | rxed, you should start using it instead of apt-get |
| 01:50.20 | rxed | Are we supposed to use aptitude now instead of apt? is apt getting depreciated? |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | apt-get you mean |
| 01:50.38 | rxed | yes |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | and you can use whichever oyu like .. aptitude is recommended |
| 01:50.50 | Azar | rxed, for major upgrades, yes use aptitude, for minor junk downloads you can still use apt-get |
| 01:50.53 | simmerz | flash is becoming very mature now. like it or not, it is available on 98% of internet users around the world. that makes it a very good candidate to play video in a format that most people can watch. |
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| 01:51.21 | simmerz | and the devs at adobe are working very hard at a) getting the latest players to linux users at the same time as windows and mac users, and b) 64 bit. |
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| 01:51.41 | Azar | rxed, in your case seems like bzip2 is missing a dependent, aptitude gets it for you |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | flash9 on linux still sucks |
| 01:51.43 | simmerz | and thats all from me on the subject |
| 01:51.50 | simmerz | abrotman: its still sodding beta |
| 01:51.53 | simmerz | as it is on windows |
| 01:52.00 | rxed | Azar: yes, thanks. |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | simmerz: yeah .. it's still shit :) |
| 01:52.18 | simmerz | abrotman: a hell of a lot better than 7 |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | simmerz: no .. it's not |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | roughly the same |
| 01:52.33 | simmerz | abrotman: again, your opinion |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | it's the experience |
| 01:53.08 | simmerz | its subjective |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | some sites worked in 7 .. some don't work in 9 and viceversa |
| 01:53.12 | simmerz | that all depends on whether you published it for a particular version of flash |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | i don't publish shit |
| 01:53.23 | simmerz | i poo shit |
| 01:53.42 | Azar | lotsa crap out there on the net too |
| 01:53.48 | IdahoEv | My server box keeps going offline; the screen shows I/O errors that look like these http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/3033. So yesterday I replaced hda (it was 6+ years old) and installed a fresh Debian 3.1 on it. Today it went down again with the same errors ... even though hda is now a brand new drive. Ack! |
| 01:53.50 | simmerz | but in flash, you are given the option of publishing an swf for a particular version of flash player. that is where most developers get it wrong |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | i know |
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| 01:54.19 | Azar | IdahoEv: it's the ethernet card or the cable try using a new cable |
| 01:54.33 | omar | what is the easiest way to upgrade from stable to testong without reinstalling? |
| 01:54.37 | simmerz | devs seem to have this idea that publishing for the latest version is always a good idea. that entirely depends on the audience and the content. |
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| 01:54.39 | omar | just changing the apt sources? |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | Azar: wtf are you talking about |
| 01:54.45 | simmerz | omar: yep |
| 01:54.58 | abrotman | IdahoEv: could be the controller |
| 01:55.17 | IdahoEv | Azar: definitely not the cable, because it's not on the same cable as it was last week. The ethernet card can produce errors that look like hd faults? |
| 01:55.19 | omar | should i go from sarge to etch or sarge -> testing ? |
| 01:55.22 | Azar | omar, change the /etc/apt/sources.list the "stable" with "testing" / or "etch" then use aptitude: aptitude update / aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:55.34 | Azar | abrotman: about crap |
| 01:55.39 | abrotman | Azar: his errors have nothing to do with NIC |
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| 01:56.06 | Azar | abrotman: he said he is losing connection? "offline" ? what has to do with the HD? |
| 01:56.29 | simmerz | abrotman is right. those are either drive errors (probably not if its a brand new hd), and more likely controller errors |
| 01:56.34 | simmerz | offline means dying. |
| 01:56.43 | Azar | aaahhh thanks simmerz |
| 01:56.46 | simmerz | nothing about losing a connection |
| 01:56.46 | omar | Azar, do i have to use aptitude, can i just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 01:56.57 | simmerz | omar: no you dont have to |
| 01:56.58 | Azar | omar, is a big upgrade, use aptitude |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | IdahoEv: could also be a cable issue |
| 01:57.16 | IdahoEv | conroller errors = unhappy IdahoEv. I will try swapping the cable |
| 01:57.18 | Azar | omar don't forget: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:57.20 | rxed | IdahoEv: Is this a SCSI hda? |
| 01:57.26 | simmerz | omar: entirely your choice. whatever you feel most comfortable with |
| 01:57.30 | IdahoEv | rxed: no, IDE |
| 01:57.33 | simmerz | Azar: stop confusing the poor guy |
| 01:57.42 | Azar | omar, and right after that you need to upgrade your kernel to at least 2.6.16 |
| 01:57.56 | omar | do they do the same thing? the reason i ask is because i never use aptitude, i am not familiar with it |
| 01:58.03 | simmerz | omar: then use apt-get |
| 01:58.11 | Azar | simmerz, what is wrong? aptitude is way better than apt-get on major upgrade |
| 01:58.25 | Azar | gawd |
| 01:58.36 | omar | is there a reason it is better? |
| 01:58.41 | simmerz | omar: if you are currently running a 2.4 kernel then apt-get won't let you upgrade to something that won't work. if it requires a 2.6 kernel, it will abort on you |
| 01:58.49 | Azar | omar, it works stronger on dependencies |
| 01:59.01 | simmerz | Azar: yes, it has its plus points, but if you are more familiar with apt-get then use that |
| 01:59.06 | rxed | IdahoEv: new or used? |
| 01:59.14 | simmerz | Azar: no its not. its the same. the dependencies are within the dpkg system |
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| 01:59.32 | stew | !why aptitude |
| 01:59.32 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 01:59.34 | Azar | simmerz: when I upgraded from woody to sarge, the Debian Reference strongly recommended the installation and use of aptitude |
| 01:59.43 | simmerz | Azar: but it doesn't need to |
| 02:00.02 | Azar | simmerz: and what if his upgrade fails? |
| 02:00.08 | Azar | with apt-get? |
| 02:00.12 | IdahoEv | rxed: new as of yesterday. I bought the new HD b/c i thought these errors were the fault of the old hd |
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| 02:00.30 | simmerz | Azar: it will fail. if there are conflicts and deps it will tell him. |
| 02:00.30 | Azar | then yes, he will have to install all over |
| 02:00.37 | simmerz | Azar: no. he wont |
| 02:00.55 | Azar | cool because you gonna help him find the bug |
| 02:00.57 | rxed | IdahoEv: I'm looking at the source files and that error message means that data can't be read from device and put in a buffer. So... it's like others said. a) bad cable, b) bad motherboard, or c) bad memory stick (?) |
| 02:01.11 | simmerz | Azar: apt-get is not hard. and if you're more used to it, its just another tool. |
| 02:01.12 | omar | lol :) |
| 02:01.15 | simmerz | let the poor guy go! |
| 02:01.18 | omar | i appreciate the help |
| 02:01.55 | IdahoEv | rxed: thank you, i will eliminate those possibilities one by one. appreciate the help. |
| 02:01.59 | simmerz | omar: hope it helps. Azar is right, aptitude is a lot more powerful, but its entirely up to you what you use. |
| 02:02.14 | Azar | omar, that is what I did when I moved a version up: I read the Debian reference and used aptitude it is up to you now, its the same gem with another name |
| 02:02.41 | stew | its true that apt-get could not upgrade from woody->sarge, but that bug in apt-get has been fixed. |
| 02:02.59 | stew | aptitude is certainly more advanced, but you pay for it a bit in it being slower |
| 02:03.12 | Azar | oh whas a bug... I did not know |
| 02:03.18 | abrotman | it's not memory |
| 02:04.42 | simmerz | I certainly had no problems upgrading from woody -> sarge |
| 02:04.50 | simmerz | and that with apt-get |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | some people did .. some didn't ... |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | simmerz: it's ... subjective :) |
| 02:06.33 | simmerz | now i just gotta wait until my vm host migrates to xen in january so I can upgrade to etch. they decided to abandon 2.6 in uml as it was causing too much in the way of headaches |
| 02:06.37 | simmerz | abrotman: indeed it is! |
| 02:06.41 | stew | simmerz: it depended on the number of packages and which packages you had installed, but there was a bug where apt-get wouldn't handle large dependency graphs with cycles |
| 02:06.56 | simmerz | stew: lol. oops |
| 02:07.34 | stew | !woody->sarge |
| 02:07.35 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 02:07.42 | Mike_ | How can I play encrypted dvd's in debian? |
| 02:07.58 | simmerz | Mike_: with difficulty |
| 02:08.20 | Mike_ | Does that mean I can't play dvd's? |
| 02:08.24 | simmerz | Mike_: no |
| 02:08.26 | stew | Mike_: not legally |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | !tell Mike_ about marillat |
| 02:08.45 | simmerz | you need libdvdcss, but its entirely illegal. |
| 02:08.59 | Mike_ | Do you use it? |
| 02:09.07 | simmerz | Mike_: no comment |
| 02:09.14 | Mike_ | oh |
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| 02:10.41 | Mike_ | !marillat |
| 02:10.42 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 02:12.28 | abrotman | because /msg from dpkg is broken ? |
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| 02:17.46 | mackss | is mysql version 14.7 in the testing or unstable for debian? |
| 02:17.54 | AndyMcGee | Hi, how can i reconfigure the system so that, when a usb drive is attached, no nautilus will open automaticly? |
| 02:18.03 | abrotman | mackss: huh ? |
| 02:18.12 | mackss | for some reason it was installed on one of my boxes and i can't understand cause the stable version of mysql is 12.22 |
| 02:18.32 | dvs | mackss: I thought mysql was only up to 5.0 |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | you mean libmysqlclient ? |
| 02:19.25 | mackss | mysql --version |
| 02:19.32 | mackss | is that libmysqlclient? |
| 02:19.46 | mackss | mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.11, for pc-linux-gnu (i386) |
| 02:20.12 | mackss | as opposed to mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, for pc-linux-gnu (i386) |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | it's 4.1 |
| 02:21.09 | mackss | oh |
| 02:21.20 | mackss | is 4.1 part of testing? |
| 02:21.34 | stew | mackss: no, testing only has 5.0 |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | it's in stable .. not sure about testing though |
| 02:21.42 | stew | mackss: stable has both 4.0 and 4.1 |
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| 02:21.55 | mackss | hrm i just installed mysql and it gave me 4.o |
| 02:21.57 | mackss | 4,0 |
| 02:22.01 | mackss | how do i get 4.1? :-/ |
| 02:22.13 | stew | mackss: install mysql-client-4.1 |
| 02:22.20 | AndyMcGee | question revoked |
| 02:22.34 | mackss | stew, do i need to remove anything else? |
| 02:22.52 | mackss | or will it overwrite 4.0? |
| 02:22.54 | stew | mackss: that sould probably trigger the upgrade of mysql-common as well |
| 02:22.58 | stew | mackss: it will remove 4.0 stuff |
| 02:23.00 | mackss | ok |
| 02:23.06 | mackss | thank you |
| 02:23.58 | mackss | 0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | why didn't they make metapackages for that ? |
| 02:24.08 | mackss | shouldn't it say it was upgrading? |
| 02:24.09 | stew | they did |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | they did ? mysql-4.1 is a package ? |
| 02:24.58 | stew | mackss: what command did you type? |
| 02:25.19 | Mike_ | How do I install a .deb package? |
| 02:25.20 | stew | abrotman: its transitional package in etch at least |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | stew: i don't think it exists in sarge |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | Mike_: man dpkg |
| 02:25.38 | Mike_ | Thanks |
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| 02:27.11 | mackss | stew, apt-get install mysql-client-4.1 |
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| 02:28.06 | odla | /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 02:28.06 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.07 | simmerz | Guerin: re the flash thing: check out the "Ook? Video Ook!" extension for firefox. |
| 02:29.03 | mackss | stew, now i am getting an error saying mysql isn't running |
| 02:29.37 | stew | abrotman: oh, i was misunderstanding you |
| 02:29.55 | stew | mackss: if you were running mysql-serve as well then you probbly also need to install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 02:30.09 | stew | mackss: did you get mysql-client-4.1 to install? |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | stew: i'm always misunderstood! :) |
| 02:31.07 | Azar | like bob2's remark: ignoring help is FUN |
| 02:31.07 | stew | abrotman: you mean we could use something akin to ssh->{openssh-client,openssh-server} |
| 02:31.25 | mackss | stew, yes |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | stew: like mysql-4.1 installs -client,-server,libmysql etc .. that all match |
| 02:31.46 | odla | what's the iwconfig command to scan for wireless networks? |
| 02:32.07 | stew | odla: iwlist scanning |
| 02:32.27 | odla | stew: thanks |
| 02:33.13 | mackss | stew, that fixed it thanks |
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| 02:36.08 | Mike_ | so I installed libdvdcss and it still says it can't play my dvd any ideas? |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | did you get w32codecs ? |
| 02:36.30 | dvs | Mike_: "it" meaning what? |
| 02:36.40 | Mike_ | totem |
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| 02:36.58 | abrotman | totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ? |
| 02:37.06 | Mike_ | it says "error are you trying to play encrypted dvd's? |
| 02:37.16 | Mike_ | what ever comes with stable |
| 02:37.22 | abrotman | did you restart totem ? |
| 02:37.25 | Mike_ | yes |
| 02:37.43 | abrotman | w32codecs ? |
| 02:37.51 | Mike_ | hmmm |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 02:38.00 | dpkg | somebody said w32codecs was a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular but proprietary multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. |
| 02:38.31 | Mike_ | !debian-multimedia |
| 02:38.31 | dpkg | hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 02:38.32 | dvs | marillat! |
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| 02:39.38 | Mike_ | I installed that in my sources list and did an update but when I ask for packages it says invalid record in the preferences file, no package header |
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| 02:40.41 | ayaa | i want to get a bootsplash screen |
| 02:40.59 | ayaa | is it bootsplash package good for my needs |
| 02:41.05 | webfreak | why? do you intend on rebooting all the time to look at it? |
| 02:41.51 | ayaa | webfreak, wtf ! |
| 02:42.05 | ayaa | webfreak, am building a live cd ! |
| 02:42.09 | webfreak | ayaa: ah |
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| 02:42.16 | webfreak | ayaa: google for a howto or something then |
| 02:42.36 | Mike_ | why can't I apt-get anything? |
| 02:42.49 | webfreak | probably because you screwed up your sources.list |
| 02:42.58 | Hut | what does it say? |
| 02:43.15 | Mike_ | animal:/home/mike# apt-get install xine |
| 02:43.15 | Mike_ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:43.16 | Mike_ | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | apt_preferences |
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| 02:45.29 | ortega10 | i have this problem, the ooo2 quickstart tray icon doesn't persist after i restart my system, and i don't know how to restart it in the commandline... any ideas? |
| 02:47.18 | Mike_ | crap now it tells me xine is not available |
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| 02:48.52 | webfreak | or try xine-ui |
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| 02:51.07 | Mike_ | Ok webfreak thanks that worked. I have libdvdcss what else do I need to watch a dvd |
| 02:51.24 | dvs | !pity Mike_ |
| 02:51.24 | dpkg | I pity da fool Mike_! |
| 02:52.11 | Azar | yea cuz xine sold out this morning |
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| 02:53.28 | webfreak | Mike_: a bag of popcorn? |
| 02:53.48 | Mike_ | Hmmm nice idea but I am still getting an encrypted error |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | get a different movie! |
| 02:54.18 | webfreak | no clue |
| 02:54.24 | ortega10 | Mike_: a player with support for dvd like vlc or totem |
| 02:54.28 | webfreak | i don't watch movies on my pc anymore |
| 02:54.38 | Azar | maybe the dvd is anti-P encripted |
| 02:54.40 | Mike_ | ortega10, I have totem |
| 02:54.59 | ortega10 | Mike_: oh and the gstreamer plugins for mpeg2 |
| 02:55.18 | Mike_ | ortega10, where can I get those? |
| 02:55.21 | ortega10 | Mike_: they're called gstreamer-something, like gstreamer-good / bad / ugly i think |
| 02:55.45 | ortega10 | Mike_: there's a big debian multimedia repository |
| 02:56.04 | ortega10 | Mike_: debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:57.01 | Mike_ | ortega10, Ok I see them they are called gst-plugins-really-bad |
| 02:57.09 | Mike_ | there are a few do I want them all |
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| 02:57.42 | ortega10 | Mike_: yes you want them all, they add support for different multimedia formats |
| 02:58.20 | Mike_ | cool thanks |
| 02:58.26 | ortega10 | Mike_: no prob |
| 02:58.42 | ortega10 | Mike_: nice movie you're gonna watch btw ;) |
| 02:58.54 | Mike_ | haha |
| 02:58.56 | Mike_ | thanks |
| 03:00.31 | kingsley_ | Why would a box on a private network successfully use network address translation (NAT) to access to world wide web (WWW), but then fail to reveal the IP address of its NAT gateway with the "host" command, which reports "<domain name> not found"? |
| 03:00.54 | ortega10 | i have this problem, the ooo2 quickstart tray icon doesn't persist after i restart my system, and i don't know how to restart it in the commandline... any ideas ? |
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| 03:02.10 | Mike_ | ortega10, so I updated my sources list but it can't find it any ideas? |
| 03:02.16 | Mike_ | I see it in the sources list |
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| 03:02.48 | PaSurf | how do external scsi devices get recognized by Debian? This is a ADIC external tape library. |
| 03:03.15 | ortega10 | Mike_: you see what? did you manage to find any of the multimedia packages in apt or synaptic? search for libdvdcss for example |
| 03:03.43 | Mike_ | I have libdvdcss |
| 03:03.50 | kingsley_ | PaSurf: That looks like a good google research project. |
| 03:03.50 | AnyoneEB | How do I find out of the SSH key fingerprint for the local host? |
| 03:03.56 | ortega10 | Mike_: i don't care if you have it, i'm using it as a test package |
| 03:04.02 | Mike_ | but when I do a apt-get install gst etc it says can't find package |
| 03:04.14 | ortega10 | Mike_: did you apt-get update ? |
| 03:04.18 | Mike_ | I inserted the mirror for multimedia in my sources list |
| 03:04.19 | PaSurf | kingsley: its starting to look that way |
| 03:04.23 | Mike_ | yes |
| 03:04.32 | Mike_ | I ran apt-get update |
| 03:04.44 | ortega10 | well search for packages with gstreamer on them |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | paster: st driver ? |
| 03:04.59 | abrotman | PaSurf: ^^ |
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| 03:05.15 | Mike_ | I see the packages but apt-get doesn't |
| 03:05.20 | niles | will an nvidia card taint the kernel as much as my ATI card has ? |
| 03:05.26 | PaSurf | abrotman: st driver? |
| 03:05.36 | niles | i had frequent kernel panicks with my ATI |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | scsi tape ? |
| 03:05.43 | ortega10 | Mike_: well then you didn't add the repository right |
| 03:05.54 | ortega10 | Mike_: btw try to name me when you speak to me, you make it easier for me to read it |
| 03:06.05 | Mike_ | I cut and pasted it in how else should I do it? |
| 03:06.12 | Mike_ | ok |
| 03:06.16 | niles | are they both just as unstable in linux? id rather not pay the money first and learn the hard way |
| 03:06.24 | PaSurf | abrotman: not sure. Its just a tape library (8 tapes) all in one unit. |
| 03:07.00 | PaSurf | abrotman: going to look into scsiadd , but not sure if I am on the right path |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | PaSurf: in the 80s ... that was a party |
| 03:07.26 | ortega10 | Mike_: i don't know, by inserting it graphically with synaptic? i have no idea what you're doing wrong, but if you added the repository and you refreshed the package list, they should appear... |
| 03:07.41 | PaSurf | abrotman: I agree |
| 03:07.47 | Mike_ | I didn't do it graphically ortega10 |
| 03:07.48 | ortega10 | Mike_: choose one of the mirrors here http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors.html |
| 03:08.00 | Mike_ | ortega10, I did |
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| 03:08.16 | ortega10 | Mike_: try another mirror then |
| 03:08.27 | Mike_ | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main |
| 03:08.28 | Mike_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.43 | Mike_ | weird |
| 03:09.05 | Mike_ | Do they need to be in any order? ortega10 |
| 03:09.15 | ortega10 | Mike_: not that i know of |
| 03:09.45 | ortega10 | Mike_: especially when we're talking about packages you'll only find there, with no conflicting versions between different repositories |
| 03:09.49 | Mike_ | I will try another mirror |
| 03:10.29 | ortega10 | Mike_: how did you search for the packages? apt-cache search gstreamer for example? |
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| 03:11.05 | Mike_ | No I went to the source file on the website ortega10 |
| 03:11.23 | ortega10 | Mike_: well use apt-cache too see if it can find them |
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| 03:12.31 | muh2000 | error bringing eth0 up no such device... :( yeah but why is that thing loaded at boot time? :( |
| 03:12.31 | ortega10 | Mike_: i'm back |
| 03:12.43 | Mike_ | Welcome back |
| 03:12.55 | ortega10 | Mike_: did you try searching them with apt-cache |
| 03:13.07 | Mike_ | I am not sure how to use apt-cache |
| 03:13.20 | ortega10 | Mike_: apt-cache search word |
| 03:13.44 | jeebusmo1ile | asd |
| 03:13.53 | Mike_ | came up empty |
| 03:14.06 | ortega10 | Mike_: which word did you search? |
| 03:14.32 | Mike_ | animal:/etc/apt# apt-cache search gstreamer-plugins-really-bad |
| 03:14.47 | Mike_ | can you try on yours? |
| 03:14.50 | ortega10 | Mike_: just search for gstreamer |
| 03:14.59 | ortega10 | Mike_: sorry i'm on ubuntu edgy :) |
| 03:15.21 | ortega10 | Mike_: you did apt-get update already, didn't you? try it again just in case... |
| 03:15.24 | Mike_ | I have ubuntu upstairs it is really nice |
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| 03:16.02 | ortega10 | Mike_: let's do this |
| 03:16.04 | Mike_ | I used automatix2 for that one |
| 03:16.26 | ortega10 | Mike_: do an apt-get update | grep multimedia |
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| 03:16.41 | ortega10 | Mike_: replace multimedia with whatever is in your multimedia mirror |
| 03:16.55 | ortega10 | Mike_: that will show us if it's retrieving package lists from that repository |
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| 03:17.36 | ortega10 | Mike_: if it doesn't show you anything, you're not retrieving any list from that repo |
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| 03:19.00 | Mike_ | what is is supposed to show me? |
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| 03:19.10 | Mike_ | It showed me the repos |
| 03:19.18 | ortega10 | Mike_: some lines saying it downloaded lists from that repo |
| 03:19.38 | Mike_ | Nope just showed me that actual repos themselves |
| 03:19.40 | ortega10 | Mike_: for example, if i do apt-get update in my box, it shows all the repos it has downloaded stuff from |
| 03:19.56 | ortega10 | Mike_: but if i grep the word wine, it will show me the wine-related lines |
| 03:20.00 | Mike_ | yes I get that it shows me all of them |
| 03:20.14 | ortega10 | Mike_: like this Ign http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy Release.gpg |
| 03:20.14 | ortega10 | Ign http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy/main Translation-en_US |
| 03:20.14 | ortega10 | Hit http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy Release |
| 03:20.15 | seth1248 | Is there a program that from within debian I can modify grubs menu.list (something similar to what runs during a debian install) that tries to detect other os's and incorporate them into the menu.list file? |
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| 03:20.49 | Mike_ | ortega10, I do apt=get update |grep gstreamer it comes back with nothing |
| 03:20.53 | ortega10 | Mike_: it shouldn't show you all the repositories, only the ones containing the word you're grepping |
| 03:21.00 | ortega10 | Mike_: no no |
| 03:21.05 | Mike_ | ooh |
| 03:21.11 | ortega10 | Mike_: grep for some word in the repository name |
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| 03:21.25 | Mike_ | animal:/etc/apt# apt-get update | grep multimedia |
| 03:21.25 | Mike_ | Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable/main Packages |
| 03:21.25 | Mike_ | Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable/main Release |
| 03:21.25 | Mike_ | Hit http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com stable/main Packages |
| 03:21.25 | Mike_ | Hit http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com stable/main Release |
| 03:21.25 | Mike_ | animal:/etc/apt# apt-get update | grep gstreamer |
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| 03:21.28 | sabu | hi |
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| 03:21.44 | seth1248 | Is there a program that from within debian I can modify grubs menu.list (something similar to what runs during a debian install) that tries to detect other os's and incorporate them into the menu.list file? |
| 03:21.48 | seth1248 | Anyone? |
| 03:21.49 | Mike_ | sorry lol |
| 03:22.00 | Mike_ | didn't know it was going to be that big |
| 03:22.03 | ortega10 | Mike_: you flooder :P |
| 03:22.06 | Mike_ | lol |
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| 03:22.13 | ortega10 | Mike_: well you got a hit there |
| 03:22.23 | ortega10 | Mike_: it means it's downloading the package lists |
| 03:22.24 | Mike_ | ya |
| 03:22.34 | ortega10 | Mike_: now do apt-cache search gstreamer |
| 03:22.37 | sandman | It doesn't appear that any applications under Linux have the option of only printing odd or even pages |
| 03:22.51 | sandman | This disallows me from doing duplex printing, I was just wondering if anyone knows about getting this done. |
| 03:22.55 | ortega10 | Mike_: or better apt-cache search gstreamer | grep ugly |
| 03:23.00 | sandman | I've updated hplip to the latest, btw. Latest PPDs etc |
| 03:23.07 | abrotman | scribus ? |
| 03:23.16 | sabu | gotta question regarding ubuntu and why it doesnt show some of the apps I installed in the main applications menu |
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| 03:23.24 | abrotman | sabu: ask #ubuntu |
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| 03:23.30 | Mike_ | that worked ortega10 |
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| 03:23.40 | mortal5 | anyone know how to see the page file size in linux? |
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| 03:24.06 | sabu | just figured since it was debian based you guys might know, no worries though thanks |
| 03:24.06 | ortega10 | Mike_: what did it show you? don't paste again :) |
| 03:24.42 | ortega10 | sabu: i guess it doesn't show them because they didn't have the option of adding a menu entry in their installation scripts |
| 03:24.59 | Mike_ | it showed me 2 gstreamer files |
| 03:25.10 | Mike_ | I am in dependancy hell |
| 03:25.14 | sabu | k, thanks |
| 03:25.25 | ortega10 | Mike_: but not the ffmpeg or ugly plugins? |
| 03:25.30 | ortega10 | sabu: no prob man |
| 03:25.31 | Mike_ | It says I need lib glib2 and libgstreamer0.10 |
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| 03:25.40 | Mike_ | two ugly ones |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | sabu: you should really ask #ubuntu |
| 03:25.55 | ortega10 | Mike_: dude there is no dependency hell in debian *heaven* :) |
| 03:25.56 | Mike_ | I tried to install them but they said that I need about 4 other ones first |
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| 03:26.20 | sabu | abrotman, yea Ill head over there in a sec |
| 03:26.28 | sabu | have a good night |
| 03:26.32 | Mike_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:26.32 | abrotman | thanks .. night |
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| 03:26.49 | Mike_ | libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0) but 2.6.4-1 |
| 03:26.58 | abrotman | wtf did you do ? |
| 03:27.05 | abrotman | ortega10: did you screw up his box? |
| 03:27.20 | Mike_ | Doesn't seem right shouldn't be this hard to get the dvd to work |
| 03:27.20 | ortega10 | abrotman: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 03:27.41 | ortega10 | abrotman: i didn't screw up anyone's box |
| 03:28.20 | ortega10 | Mike_: well try another player with less dependencies... i guess vlc will do the trick... apt-cache search vlc to find the name of the package (i guess it's vlc anyway), then apt-get install |
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| 03:28.25 | abrotman | !info libglib2.0-0 sarge |
| 03:28.35 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 439 kB, Installed size: 933 kB |
| 03:28.39 | john83 | anyone here know anything about "at"? I did at now + 5 hours |
| 03:28.50 | Mike_ | xine works just needs libdvdcss but it is installed |
| 03:29.00 | Mike_ | same with totem |
| 03:29.00 | john83 | then put in mplayer /home/jhm/alarm.mp3, then hit ^D.. but it didn't go off.. |
| 03:29.08 | Mike_ | the both start to play then they error out |
| 03:29.23 | Mike_ | I can try mplayer but I bet it will be the same |
| 03:29.47 | ortega10 | Mike_: what error do you get? |
| 03:30.16 | Mike_ | The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
| 03:30.51 | ortega10 | Mike_: how did you install libdvdcss? try installing it via apt-get install, now that you have it in the debian multimedia repos |
| 03:30.53 | mortal5 | does anyone know how i can find out the size of the page in linux? |
| 03:31.01 | mortal5 | by page, i mean memory page |
| 03:31.44 | Mike_ | libdvdcss2 is already the newest version. |
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| 03:32.02 | wireddd_ | mortal5, you mean like a windows page file? |
| 03:32.17 | ortega10 | Mike_: but are all those packages properly installed via apt-get, or hacked by hand? |
| 03:32.23 | mortal5 | wireddd, well |
| 03:32.32 | mortal5 | tell me what my prof wants from this |
| 03:32.38 | mortal5 | "The first part of this assignment is to determine the size of a page on the machine you are using." |
| 03:32.51 | Mike_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | ortega10: what did you have him install that it's looking for etch's glib2.0 ? |
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| 03:33.13 | ortega10 | abrotman: i didn't have anyone install anything, shut the f*ck up please |
| 03:33.15 | unseensoul | hi |
| 03:33.29 | ortega10 | Mike_: because it's not very likely that the players can't see your libdvdcss if it's properly installed |
| 03:34.39 | Mike_ | I wonder If I should reboot. I know don't get mad |
| 03:34.39 | abrotman | Mike_: how did you get the above error ? |
| 03:34.57 | Mike_ | I started the dvd in totem |
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| 03:35.04 | ortega10 | Mike_: i don't think you should reboot, it's not like you upgraded your kernel |
| 03:35.04 | Mike_ | abrotman, |
| 03:35.06 | abrotman | Mike_: no . i mean the installation error |
| 03:35.16 | Mike_ | abrotman, ? |
| 03:35.30 | Mike_ | I don't have an installation error |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | <Mike_> libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0) but 2.6.4-1 |
| 03:35.36 | abrotman | that |
| 03:35.51 | abrotman | !info libglib2.0-0 etch |
| 03:36.00 | PaSurf | I am having trouble finding information on connecting a external scsi device. any suggestions on sites or commands? |
| 03:36.01 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.12.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 492 kB, Installed size: 1084 kB |
| 03:36.04 | Mike_ | oh I did apt-get install libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 |
| 03:36.05 | ortega10 | Mike_: well man i have to leave now, it's late... just try to reinstall libdvdcss, then install vlc, then try again |
| 03:36.23 | unseensoul | http://pastebin.com/824709 |
| 03:36.27 | Mike_ | ortega10, thanks for you help |
| 03:36.28 | abrotman | Mike_: paste the results of apt-cache policy libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 |
| 03:36.29 | ortega10 | Mike_: and if that doesn't solve it, just jump on the ubuntu bandwagon :P |
| 03:36.30 | scrillaz | when etch is stable will its software get outdated? |
| 03:36.30 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:36.30 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:36.36 | Mike_ | It is wierd I have all this working in ubuntu |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | right .. ubuntards come here .. screw up people's boxen .. then recommend ubuntu .. nice of them |
| 03:36.51 | ortega10 | scrillaz: etch's software is already outdated :P |
| 03:36.56 | scrillaz | lol |
| 03:37.01 | ortega10 | abrotman: listen you moron |
| 03:37.04 | Mike_ | lol ortega10 I am having an issue with lan browsng in ubuntu |
| 03:37.09 | ortega10 | abrotman: i didn't screw up anyone's box |
| 03:37.10 | scrillaz | so i guess sid then |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | ortega10: weren't you leaving ? |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | please don't come here to troll anymore |
| 03:37.47 | ortega10 | abrotman: the fact that you're an idiot who can't read a simple conversation doesn't make his box broken |
| 03:37.53 | ortega10 | abrotman: i wasn't trolling, i was just trying to help mike |
| 03:37.54 | lnzju | w/ screen |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | that worked well .. go back to #ubuntu |
| 03:38.09 | ortega10 | abrotman: it's not my fault if his players don't see the installed libdvdcss |
| 03:38.35 | ortega10 | abrotman: and nothing got broken, no matter your difficulty for understanding a simple conversation |
| 03:38.40 | Mike_ | ortega10, I would never blame you for helping even if it did break |
| 03:38.55 | ortega10 | Mike_: but the point is nothing broke! |
| 03:38.57 | abrotman | ortega10: it's broken . it's requesting etch packages on a sarge box |
| 03:38.57 | Mike_ | plus worst case I would just reinstall and try again |
| 03:39.03 | Mike_ | ortega10, I know |
| 03:39.07 | abrotman | Mike_: did you paste that yet ? |
| 03:39.12 | Mike_ | I am just saying |
| 03:39.22 | Mike_ | abrotman, no but i will |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | thank you |
| 03:39.35 | Mike_ | lol |
| 03:39.38 | ortega10 | Mike_: how would it break by adding the damn marillat multimedia repositories that everyone uses ??? |
| 03:39.54 | abrotman | misfire ? |
| 03:40.10 | ortega10 | abrotman: what's your damn suggestion then? |
| 03:40.21 | ortega10 | abrotman: you haven't suggested anything yet |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | ortega10: you leaving? :) |
| 03:40.29 | wireddd_ | mortal5, you still around |
| 03:40.38 | ortega10 | abrotman: i'm staying till i hear your nonexistent suggestion |
| 03:40.40 | mortal5 | yes |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | ortega10: then keep quiet |
| 03:41.01 | wireddd_ | here is a bunch of information about how linux handles memory |
| 03:41.02 | ortega10 | abrotman: you can still say it while i speak, it's called irc |
| 03:41.03 | wireddd_ | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-memmod/ |
| 03:41.44 | abrotman | Mike_: also please paste the results of `dpkg -l totem*` |
| 03:41.45 | Mike_ | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/824710 |
| 03:41.50 | abrotman | doh! |
| 03:42.14 | abrotman | Mike_: paste `apt-cache policy libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0` |
| 03:42.17 | mortal5 | wireddd, ty |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | Mike_: are you IRCing from the box ? |
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| 03:42.39 | Mike_ | abrotman, yes |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | Mike_: /j #flood please |
| 03:42.58 | Mike_ | ? |
| 03:43.38 | abrotman | Mike_: in your IRC client .. type /join #flood |
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| 03:43.38 | ortega10 | Mike_: well mike i'm sorry i have to leave you with abrotman, who seems fixated with your problems trying to install gstreamer010, while you could just try another player and focus on your real problem with libdvdcss :) |
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| 03:43.39 | unseensoul | does anyone can help me? http://pastebin.com/824709 |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | ortega10: piss off and die |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | have a nice night :) |
| 03:43.39 | Mike_ | ortega10, thanks anyways |
| 03:43.40 | wireddd_ | mortal5, according to that page, it looks like they are 4KB by default |
| 03:43.46 | ortega10 | Mike_: no prob, good night |
| 03:44.05 | ortega10 | Mike_: and remember to reinstall libdvdcss the debian way, then try vlc |
| 03:44.29 | mortal5 | wireddd, ty, yes that's what i thought too |
| 03:44.35 | PaSurf | any ideas on getting a external scsi device to work with debian? |
| 03:44.37 | edju | dist-upgraded to etch, and kcontrol is empty. Couple bugs filed, but no solution. Is there one? |
| 03:44.44 | abrotman | he did install it the debian way |
| 03:44.52 | mortal5 | had to change that a few times to get the best performance on UT :p |
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| 03:51.11 | kpearce | I'm running sid. I was upgrading (and running X and a bunch of programs at the same time) and my system froze. (Froze for real - couldn't ssh in from another box, couldn't get to a terminal, couldn't even ctrl+alt+del). When I restarted it, X wouldn't work anymore. It seems it can't access my mouse. |
| 03:51.31 | kpearce | Does anyone know how to check whether my mouse is being detected when I plug it in (USB)? |
| 03:51.56 | kpearce | I remember there was a way to watch devices being detected, but I don't remember now... |
| 03:52.01 | kpearce | err, I don't remember how |
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| 03:52.39 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
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| 03:52.45 | abrotman | cat /dev/input/mice ? |
| 03:52.46 | kpearce | no, it's not in the dmesg output |
| 03:53.01 | kpearce | I get a no such device error if I try to access /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:54.33 | peterS | kpearce: so 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 03:54.58 | peterS | kpearce: that is independent of the USB mouse driver, btw. it's a separate module that handles all types of mice at a different level |
| 03:54.59 | kpearce | peterS: thanks, that did the trick. |
| 03:55.11 | peterS | kpearce: so, add 'mousedev' to /etc/modules to make sure it gets loaded next time you boot |
| 03:55.25 | kpearce | yes, thanks |
| 03:56.29 | abrotman | shouldn't that just go in there when you install xserver-xorg or something ? |
| 03:56.30 | unseensoul | does anyone can help me? http://pastebin.com/824709 i'm tired of googlin' my doubt...with no luck... |
| 03:56.54 | kpearce | hmm... except my mouse isn't actually working... |
| 03:56.58 | peterS | abrotman: not necessarily, you might want the evdev mouse driver instead, in which case you want the evdev kernel module, not the mousedev kernel module |
| 03:57.05 | peterS | kpearce: ok now do 'modprobe usbhid' |
| 03:57.12 | peterS | (that's the actual usb mouse driver) |
| 03:57.31 | kpearce | it can't find that one |
| 03:57.41 | peterS | kpearce: what kernel version have you got? 'uname -r' will tell |
| 03:57.46 | abrotman | peterS: you might .. but most don't .. and if you do .. you're probably technically able to find the /etc/modules and take it out |
| 03:57.48 | peterS | kpearce: if it is 2.4.27, you want 'modprobe hid' |
| 03:57.50 | kpearce | 2.4.22-1-686 |
| 03:57.58 | peterS | kpearce: usbhid used to be called hid |
| 03:58.04 | kpearce | there it goes |
| 03:58.15 | kpearce | still doesn't work tho... |
| 03:58.30 | abrotman | peterS: nevermind .. i sound like i work for ubuntu :) |
| 03:58.31 | peterS | kpearce: does the system know there's a mouse connected? 'lsusb' will tell |
| 03:58.58 | kpearce | lsusb gives nothing. If I unplug it and plug it in again after the driver is inserted, will that help? |
| 03:59.04 | peterS | abrotman: also if you're using a serial or PS/2 or bus mouse on a 2.4 kernel, you don't have much use for /dev/input/mice |
| 03:59.14 | peterS | kpearce: you can sure try. usb is nice about being hot-pluggable |
| 03:59.17 | abrotman | peterS: it still works |
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| 03:59.24 | abrotman | well .. for ps2 mice anyways |
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| 03:59.29 | wireddd_ | unseensoul, well it is complaining about the , |
| 03:59.37 | peterS | abrotman: you mean "works" in the sense of "doesn't do anything"? |
| 03:59.53 | kpearce | hmm...I don't think I have the USB subsystem working at all, because it isn't detecting my usb printer either |
| 04:00.01 | kpearce | or maybe I have hardware dying... |
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| 04:00.20 | kpearce | (3 year old computer) |
| 04:00.28 | peterS | kpearce: so double-check which USB module(s) you need: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 04:00.35 | peterS | kpearce: it should list UHCI, OHCI and/or EHCI |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | peterS: i mean .. "it might work for you .. if you're lucky .. and you live in wyoming" |
| 04:00.50 | peterS | abrotman: also if you disregard the part of my sentence where I mentioned a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:01.03 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 04:01.03 | dpkg | somebody said usb mouse was "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 04:01.05 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:01.09 | kpearce | it lists UHCI and EHCI |
| 04:01.13 | abrotman | it's somewhere .. it does work in 2.4 supposedly |
| 04:01.26 | unseensoul | wireddd, yes i know, but how can i solve it? |
| 04:01.31 | peterS | kpearce: so you need the 'uhci' or 'usb-uhci' module loaded (two independent drivers for the same hardware, I forget which one is supposed to work better) |
| 04:01.40 | kpearce | ah, there we go |
| 04:01.46 | kpearce | uhci gave me a message about detecting the mouse |
| 04:02.07 | peterS | abrotman: PS/2 mice + 2.4 kernels do not use /dev/input/mice. in 2.4, the only mice covered by /dev/input/mice were USB and ADB mice. |
| 04:02.09 | kpearce | (though no message about the printer, although it is turned on) |
| 04:02.22 | abrotman | peterS: see .. it does work! |
| 04:02.25 | kpearce | and the mouse is working in X now, thanks |
| 04:02.29 | peterS | kpearce: the printer might use USB 2.0, which is the 'ehci-hcd' module |
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| 04:03.00 | brendonjt | I am in need of some help here please |
| 04:03.07 | peterS | mice do not tend to use USB 2.0 because they don't have enough data to report for that speed to be useful |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | peterS: i almost summoned you on oftc last night .. but i finally realized the guy didn't seem totally capable of reading docs and it was his fault not the maintainer's |
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| 04:03.27 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:03.36 | abrotman | brendonjt: just ask |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | Mike_: done yet? |
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| 04:04.06 | wireddd_ | unseensoul, I would "apt-get remove --purge gnome-alsamixer" and then apt-get install gnome-alsamixer |
| 04:04.11 | brendonjt | I have some written dvd's back up of data when i put them in my dvd drive debian says that they are blank when they are not |
| 04:04.26 | abrotman | written them on which OS ? |
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| 04:04.34 | brendonjt | windows |
| 04:04.36 | ayaa | mkisofs is saying: mkisofs: File '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.1/ep_82/bEndpointAddress' did shrink. |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | compizo: welcome back! |
| 04:04.41 | ayaa | what is this error ? |
| 04:05.05 | unseensoul | wireddd, i0ve already try it...:\ |
| 04:05.34 | wireddd_ | try asking in #gnome maybe? |
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| 04:06.06 | brendonjt | tried asking all over the place but nothing |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | packet writing ? |
| 04:06.21 | compizo | abrotman: why back? |
| 04:06.21 | unseensoul | wireddd, ok then, thank you :) |
| 04:06.23 | abrotman | compizo: you were just here 15 minutes ago |
| 04:06.33 | peterS | ayaa: _mkisofs_ is saying that? what are you doing with it? |
| 04:06.35 | compizo | abrotman: no i wasn't, it's a shared computer |
| 04:06.47 | abrotman | compizo: all with the same username ? |
| 04:06.49 | abrotman | weird |
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| 04:07.12 | compizo | abrotman: yeap, it's all in the family |
| 04:07.25 | abrotman | !udf packet writing |
| 04:07.26 | dpkg | i guess udf packet writing is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/packet/ for recent kernels |
| 04:07.32 | ayaa | peterS, bootcd |
| 04:07.50 | PaSurf | can anyone tell me how to mount a scsi device in Debian? |
| 04:07.52 | abrotman | nothing special about it .. man mount |
| 04:07.56 | peterS | ayaa: I guess what I don't get is why mkisofs is trying to talk directly to a USB device. it should just be creating a filesystem image |
| 04:08.31 | ayaa | peterS, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/148 |
| 04:08.42 | PaSurf | like mount scsi |
| 04:08.57 | abrotman | PaSurf: are you trying to mount the tape ? |
| 04:09.03 | kpearce | is there a module I need for my printer? |
| 04:09.13 | kpearce | (besides the one you already mentioned) |
| 04:09.18 | peterS | ayaa: ummm, mkisofs is not mentioned on that page at all |
| 04:09.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:09.34 | abrotman | peterS: be a reading barbie |
| 04:09.50 | kpearce | o, I think I found it |
| 04:09.50 | peterS | reading is harrrrd |
| 04:09.51 | PaSurf | abrotman: No actually I found my RAID array, and I can see it when I do a cat /proc/scsi/scsi but not sure how to use the device.. |
| 04:09.59 | peterS | kpearce: there is the 'printer' module, but the printer should show up in 'lsusb' regardless |
| 04:10.05 | abrotman | PaSurf: do you know the device name? |
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| 04:10.13 | abrotman | PaSurf: heck .. is it even partitioned ? |
| 04:10.15 | kpearce | well, nothing is showing up in lsusb, but the printer and the mouse are now both working |
| 04:10.22 | kpearce | (after inserting the printer module) |
| 04:10.23 | peterS | oh, cool |
| 04:10.23 | PaSurf | abrotman: I think |
| 04:10.37 | abrotman | PaSurf: what is the device? sda? sdq? sdg ? |
| 04:10.40 | PaSurf | abrotman: last time I used it was with windows... |
| 04:10.57 | peterS | kpearce: so, I'm guessing the reason lsusb doesn't work is that you haven't got usbfs mounted. try this: mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb |
| 04:11.05 | PaSurf | dev/cciss/c0d2 |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 04:11.12 | kpearce | I'm really wondering what happened, because I've never had a linux box actually freeze before. I've been unable to get the display back from a frozen X server before, but then I was still able to ssh in. I'm sure that I didn't have these problems the last time I rebooted (which was months ago) |
| 04:11.19 | peterS | kpearce: (you don't _have_ to do that, but I'm guessing it'll make 'lsusb' work) |
| 04:11.20 | abrotman | like .. /dev/sda or /dev/sdc etc |
| 04:11.37 | abrotman | dmesg | grep sd |
| 04:11.37 | kpearce | maybe there were some incompletely installed packages, since it froze in the middle of an apt-get upgrade... |
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| 04:12.57 | PaSurf | abrotman: this is a external device. internally, I have something like 480 gigs. this is showing up as 435 gig on dev/cciss/c0d2 |
| 04:13.20 | PaSurf | abrotman: dmesg shows only sda device internally |
| 04:13.47 | PaSurf | attached at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 |
| 04:14.36 | abrotman | PaSurf: well .. mkdir /mnt/ext-scsi/ && mount -t auto /dev/cciss/c0d2 /mnt/ext-scsi/ |
| 04:14.45 | abrotman | chmod the mount point if needed |
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| 04:16.13 | PaSurf | abrotman: it is asking for a filesystem type... |
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| 04:16.24 | abrotman | -tauto should do it |
| 04:16.33 | abrotman | unless that's not really the device |
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| 04:16.53 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/cciss/c0d2 .. show anything |
| 04:16.58 | PaSurf | abrotman: says mnt/ext-scsi already exists |
| 04:17.04 | ttttttt | You all have won $10,000 dollars email rickyfan34@hotmail.com.au with your details to claim it now, Good Luck. |
| 04:17.11 | abrotman | PaSurf: yeah .. you made the mount point once already :) |
| 04:17.22 | ttttttt | You all have won $10,000 dollars email rickyfan34@hotmail.com.au with your details to claim it now, Good Luck. |
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| 04:17.36 | abrotman | he had to join twice for htat ? |
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| 04:17.40 | PaSurf | abrotman: Basically all I did was connect the device tonight, then bounce the server |
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| 04:17.56 | abrotman | PaSurf: okay .. |
| 04:18.00 | PaSurf | something auto with debian? |
| 04:19.29 | PaSurf | abrotman: fdisk shows /dev/cciss/c0d2p1 |
| 04:19.40 | abrotman | PaSurf: try to mount that |
| 04:19.54 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.58 | abrotman | still doesn't seem right though |
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| 04:20.35 | PaSurf | abrotman: says the file /mnt/scsi exists but their is nothing inside |
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| 04:20.44 | abrotman | still doesn't seem right though |
| 04:20.46 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:20.57 | abrotman | PaSurf: what command are you using ? |
| 04:21.25 | PaSurf | abrotman: that time no errors |
| 04:21.45 | abrotman | PaSurf: cd /mnt/ext-scsi/ && ls |
| 04:21.59 | anilomkar | Hi all, Can any one tell me how to install java? |
| 04:22.06 | abrotman | !tell anilomkar about install java |
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| 04:22.12 | PaSurf | abrotman: so how do I even get to that device (browse it i guess) |
| 04:22.29 | abrotman | PaSurf: cd /mnt/ext-scsi/ && ls |
| 04:22.37 | PaSurf | abrotman: lists abunch of linux files |
| 04:22.42 | abrotman | is that wrong ? |
| 04:22.51 | PaSurf | almost like its the local drive |
| 04:23.02 | abrotman | PaSurf: are they the wrong files ? |
| 04:23.07 | PaSurf | ya |
| 04:23.21 | PaSurf | that device was basic sql backups |
| 04:23.23 | abrotman | then you may have found the wrong device |
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| 04:24.34 | PaSurf | abrotman; so i type in /proc/scsi/scsi and get scsi0 channel: 00. then shows the vendor: RaidKing Model 460 |
| 04:24.43 | PaSurf | type direct access |
| 04:24.53 | PaSurf | that is under attached devices |
| 04:25.16 | anilomkar | abrotman: can u give the repository for installing sun-java-jdk, sun-java,jre |
| 04:25.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:25.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:25.27 | abrotman | anilomkar: which version of debian ? |
| 04:25.39 | anilomkar | abrotman: sid |
| 04:25.54 | abrotman | anilomkar: did you read what the bot told you ? it's available to you in non-free |
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| 04:31.15 | cam | I've seen there's an AMD 64bits version of debian, Is there one for intel 64 ? |
| 04:31.36 | PaSurf | abrotman: Ok, so I seem to have connected to the right device. Thanks for the help! One question, would I browse to this via the mnt/ext-directory everytime? |
| 04:31.37 | peterS | cam: there are two for Intel 64-bit processors, depending on which type you have |
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| 04:31.49 | peterS | cam: there is amd64 for the 64-bit xeon chips, and ia64 for the Itanium series |
| 04:32.03 | PaSurf | thats no good... |
| 04:32.52 | cam | peterS, the workstation i have at work has 2 xeon 5160 chips.. |
| 04:32.59 | peterS | cam: that's amd64 then |
| 04:33.59 | cam | ok, then i can download debian images from http://amd64.debian.net/ |
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| 04:34.34 | peterS | cam: if you want debian stable, yes. if you want etch (debian 4.0, not yet released) you get it from cdimage.debian.org just as with the others |
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| 04:35.27 | peterS | cam: (the 'testing' links) |
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| 04:39.18 | anilomkar | Can any one tell me the syntax for setting path and classpath... |
| 04:39.37 | peterS | anilomkar: you shouldn't need to set either one with Debian packages |
| 04:39.51 | cam | peterS, ok, i'll give a try to the testing release (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/) |
| 04:40.35 | peterS | cam: downloading a DVD is way overkill, though. what you probably want is etch rc1 from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - pick up the 'netinst' CD, everything that isn't on the netinst (150 MB or so) is pulled down over the net when you need it |
| 04:41.00 | anilomkar | peterS: I downloaded the jdk from sun.com and i installed it in my system. Now i want to set the classpath and path |
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| 04:41.57 | peterS | anilomkar: have it your way. you could have installed the jdk via the debian non-free package 'sun-java5-jdk' instead, then you wouldn't have to mess with this stuff. but if you wish, put 'export PATH=...' and 'export CLASSPATH=...' in your ~/.bash_profile and/or ~/.bashrc |
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| 04:49.42 | Guerin | peterS: aptitude install java-sun-not-evil-anymore |
| 04:50.23 | peterS | Guerin: well, those packages are still firmly in non-free. we'll see if enough bits and pieces make it into main during the etch+1 cycle to definitively say it's no longer evil (: |
| 04:51.46 | cam | the workstation i'm gonna install debian on will be used for Matlab & heavy calculations ... It has 4gig ram currently, will prob increase to 8gig. what are yr recommendations for the swap partition ? 8gig ? 16 gig ? |
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| 04:52.34 | peterS | cam: I wouldn't even bother with a swap partition. later on you can create swap _files_ as you need them. much easier to manage |
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| 04:52.39 | peterS | cam: it's not like you're gonna run out of RAM during the installation process, so you can defer the swap file setup until later |
| 04:53.06 | peterS | cam: swapfiles are pretty much just as fast as swap partitions, and a whole lot more flexible as changing them doesn't involve repartitioning anything |
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| 04:55.20 | cam | peterS, ok, and doing a swap file is somethign more or less like this : http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/adding-swap-file-to-your-linux-system.html right? |
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| 04:56.43 | peterS | cam: yep. the 'dd' command can be simplified somewhat - I'd say 'bs=1M count=8192' for example for an 8 GB file. rather than what that page would have you do, 'bs=1024 count=8388608' |
| 04:57.20 | peterS | (you could even say 'bs=1G count=8' if you want, but that uses 1 GB of memory while dd is running. I guess if you have 4 GB total, that'd work ok) |
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| 04:58.57 | muh2000 | wtf is wrong with debian? when i boot up most of the lines get a numbercode.... where does it come from and why is it so ? |
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| 04:58.57 | asdokasdofj | hey everyone!!!! |
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| 04:58.57 | asdokasdofj | anyone know what this means? sudo: sorry, you must have a tty to run sudo |
| 04:58.58 | cam | peterS, thanks ! |
| 04:59.01 | Guerin | muh2000: eh? |
| 04:59.13 | muh2000 | Guerin i thought the same... |
| 04:59.28 | Guerin | muh2000: no, i just have no fucking clue what you're on about. |
| 04:59.54 | asdokasdofj | anyone?? :-P |
| 05:00.04 | Guerin | asdokasdofj: it means what it says |
| 05:00.19 | Guerin | asdokasdofj: you need to be logged into an actual or virtual terminal to use it |
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| 05:00.39 | muh2000 | Guerin me2 ^^ it looks like this while booting: [325764235428.5236847] xyz loaded..... |
| 05:00.43 | asdokasdofj | hmm ... I'm just playing around trying to run sudo through a php script.. |
| 05:00.54 | muh2000 | for nearly every thing that can be loaded |
| 05:00.58 | Guerin | muh2000: are you using a daily or a testing installer? |
| 05:01.11 | muh2000 | Guerin 100 points. :) |
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| 05:01.22 | Guerin | asdokasdofj: sudo has this restriction EXPLICITLY to prevent eejotic things like that. |
| 05:01.30 | Guerin | muh2000: there's your answer. |
| 05:01.45 | Guerin | asdokasdofj: don't do it, it's amazingly dangerous and stupid, |
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| 05:01.57 | asdokasdofj | Guerin - I realize it's retarded .. its not a public script.. just a test :-) |
| 05:02.08 | Guerin | asdokasdofj: well, you have your answer. |
| 05:02.19 | muh2000 | Guerin but it wasnt from the beginning! just after some compiled kernel..... could the daily or testing thing be responsible that my one network card doesnt come up ? |
| 05:02.29 | asdokasdofj | So there's _no_ way around that error? |
| 05:02.33 | Guerin | muh2000: could be anything. |
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| 05:02.46 | Guerin | asdokasdofj: rtfm, and failing that, utsl. You're a developer: develop. |
| 05:02.57 | Phated | "sl"? |
| 05:03.04 | Guerin | source, Luke |
| 05:03.11 | Phated | Ah! |
| 05:03.19 | exobyte | When I do mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/truecrypt0 (a truecrypt mount), my system locks up without an error message. Sometimes when accessing a truecrypt volume, my system locks (normal, not mkfs, access) |
| 05:03.21 | muh2000 | Guerin i used a config like the system before that worked... :/ can you tell me whether there is a stable installer but with testing packets ? |
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| 05:03.37 | Guerin | muh2000: that would be the 'testing' installer |
| 05:03.47 | Guerin | muh2000: rc1 was released a few days ago; use that |
| 05:04.01 | streuner | exobyte: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 05:04.04 | Guerin | truecrypt sounds like snake oil to me |
| 05:04.10 | DaBlade | Guerin: It was? |
| 05:04.18 | muh2000 | Guerin link? i cant keep the hole stuff apart.... :( |
| 05:04.18 | FarrisG | I have a weird situation: We have 2 bonded T1s. Our firewall sits behind the router/csudsu from our ISP. I have a download right now that is using up pretty much all of the 3Mbps downstream. No big deal. However, we also have an outgoing ftp connection transferring a large file to a usually-fast server in taiwan that is currently getting only about 600kbps. I can't tell if it's just the downlink interrupting the acks, or if the remote ftp server is ju |
| 05:04.19 | DaBlade | Guerin: So the release is just around the corner, right? |
| 05:04.20 | muh2000 | whole |
| 05:04.20 | Guerin | sounds like it should be TrueCrypt(TM)(R)(C) |
| 05:04.27 | Guerin | no, wait |
| 05:04.32 | mick_linux | what is the best way to restart a crashed sound driver |
| 05:04.35 | Guerin | TruCrypt(TM)(R)(C) |
| 05:04.38 | peterS | DaBlade: yes, though it's kind of a long corner |
| 05:04.38 | streuner | hm, Guerin |
| 05:04.52 | DaBlade | peterS: No surprise when it comes to Debian. ;) |
| 05:04.53 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 05:04.53 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 05:05.01 | Guerin | Any day now. |
| 05:05.10 | Guerin | muh2000: reboot |
| 05:05.12 | Guerin | mick_linux: reboot |
| 05:05.19 | mick_linux | that is what i figured |
| 05:05.26 | FarrisG | The weirder part that is that iptraf doesn't show any traffic on port 21 to the ftp server from here. All the traffic is going to port 45495 |
| 05:05.27 | peterS | DaBlade: well, the release is scheduled for 4 Dec 2006, but it requires quite a bit of optimism to believe we're on schedule to hit that |
| 05:05.28 | mick_linux | since alsa reload and what not does nothing |
| 05:05.29 | DaBlade | How long do they keep it without any new bugs filed before they release it? |
| 05:05.39 | exobyte | streuner: no ugrading. It's a virtual device |
| 05:05.40 | mick_linux | i can stop it and all - but oh well :) |
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| 05:05.44 | mick_linux | brb ;) |
| 05:05.46 | Guerin | mick_linux: if it's really crashed, it's a kernel bug and kernel fuckups aren't ptretty |
| 05:05.55 | Guerin | mick_linux: you could try removing the module |
| 05:05.57 | peterS | DaBlade: no set amount of time. and it isn't about new bugs filed, but about release-critical bugs filed |
| 05:06.07 | mick_linux | Guerin: ever had a Mac? |
| 05:06.15 | Guerin | mick_linux: not for years |
| 05:06.24 | mick_linux | Guerin: i'm getting something similar - except my system is usable |
| 05:06.25 | muh2000 | Guerin... i did that after nearly every change i did... and i think i allready have rc1 installed... "debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" from here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:06.26 | Guerin | mick_linux: apple bad |
| 05:06.53 | Guerin | muh2000: no idea |
| 05:07.03 | mick_linux | Guerin: i have a few Macs - i notice that when the sound driver crashes it is similar |
| 05:07.09 | Guerin | mick_linux: oh. |
| 05:07.18 | mick_linux | except linux is actually still usable |
| 05:07.22 | Guerin | mick_linux: OMG WTF MACS DONT CRASH U LIER LOL |
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| 05:07.27 | Guerin | sorry |
| 05:07.28 | mick_linux | haha |
| 05:07.33 | Guerin | overcome by a fit of mactardery |
| 05:07.59 | mick_linux | watch the adult swim commercial where they switch to mac and then say "fuck it we are switching to open source" |
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| 05:08.18 | Guerin | i don't do cartoons unless I'm very stoned |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | so I don't tend to watch adult swim |
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| 05:09.05 | ahlfors | no, macs just delete half your music for no reason. Especially if you're Wesley Crusher. |
| 05:09.08 | streuner | 'adult swim' sounds like pr0n :-) |
| 05:09.42 | Guerin | streuner: particularly when you realise that my city's most famous strip club is called 'mermaids' and as huge fishtanks for walls, in which maidens swim |
| 05:10.38 | streuner | sounds interesting :-) |
| 05:10.57 | Guerin | apparently they look washed-out, like corpses |
| 05:11.07 | Guerin | i never have been, don't do strip clubs |
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| 05:13.48 | DaBlade | Hey |
| 05:14.04 | DaBlade | Does anyone have an idea how to install AIGLX and Beryl on Debian? |
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| 05:14.16 | DaBlade | I'm using proprietary nVIDIA drivers. |
| 05:14.34 | iter | www.beryl-project.org ? |
| 05:14.42 | streuner | !beryl |
| 05:14.43 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 05:14.43 | iter | their wiki is pretty good |
| 05:15.00 | DaBlade | But is there a guide for Etch? |
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| 05:17.48 | Guerin | if you can't figure it out yourself, you shouldn't be using it |
| 05:18.03 | streuner | just go to the URL |
| 05:18.14 | peterS | Guerin: if people who don't know much about debian aren't going to use the new xorg bling, who is? I mean, that's like their whole target market |
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| 05:19.18 | *** topic/#debian is lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 05:19.24 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 05:19.24 | apt | moin moin |
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| 05:21.21 | sparr | I have a game that expects libslang-utf8.so.1 but the debian libslang1-utf8 package provides a differently-named library. what might be up with that? |
| 05:21.21 | exobyte | should we take down the lilo thing in the topic? |
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| 05:22.21 | peterS | exobyte: I was just thinking about that |
| 05:22.41 | exobyte | peterS: it's hard to bring up, but it has been a little while |
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| 05:24.11 | Phated | More than a month. Almost 2, isn't it? |
| 05:24.19 | Guerin | leave it up 40 days |
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| 05:24.39 | peterS | yeah it's been more than 40 days now |
| 05:24.45 | Guerin | that's the usual semito-judeo-christian mourning period |
| 05:25.02 | Guerin | maybe 42, since lilo was a geek |
| 05:25.06 | exobyte | lol |
| 05:25.20 | exobyte | Guerin: 64's more geeky |
| 05:25.28 | Guerin | exobyte: i disagree. |
| 05:25.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:25.39 | *** topic/#debian by peterS -> 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 05:25.52 | peterS | anything else that needs to be added to topic, while we're at it? |
| 05:26.18 | exobyte | Guerin: well.. damn, it was 2 months ago tomorrow |
| 05:27.03 | exobyte | peterS: something about pastebin? |
| 05:27.20 | exobyte | lol. THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 05:27.22 | peterS | exobyte: already present |
| 05:27.27 | Guerin | exobyte: maybe YOU need to read the damn topic |
| 05:27.33 | peterS | !topicsmite exobyte |
| 05:27.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon exobyte. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:27.39 | peterS | haven't gotten to use _that_ one in awhile.... |
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| 05:28.18 | Kkrauss | god I hate ftp servers!!! |
| 05:28.20 | exobyte | Guerin: ohh, paster |
| 05:28.25 | peterS | I could mention etch d-i rc1, but then it would look like we condone people installing etch d-i rc1 |
| 05:28.43 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 05:28.43 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 05:29.26 | Kkrauss | yah yah yah, you use what you know |
| 05:29.52 | exobyte | edified |
| 05:29.53 | exobyte | lol |
| 05:30.07 | Kkrauss | dendrite you here? |
| 05:30.27 | *** topic/#debian by peterS -> 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:30.29 | streuner | no, he's usually in OFTC :-) |
| 05:30.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:30.41 | Kkrauss | I tell you what |
| 05:30.51 | Kkrauss | after usingj Gaim today and comming back to mIRC its like wow lol |
| 05:30.53 | peterS | I think it's about time for users to be officially invited to test etch rc1, I dunno |
| 05:31.16 | Guerin | Kkrauss: like 'wow, even though gaim is shit, it's heaps better than this lol'? |
| 05:31.34 | streuner | Kkrauss: most people don't use gaim for IRC |
| 05:31.45 | peterS | nor do most people (in #debian at least) use mIRC |
| 05:31.57 | peterS | though I guess a depressing number of people in this channel do |
| 05:32.01 | Kkrauss | I never sdaid Gaim was the best thing out there |
| 05:32.07 | Kkrauss | but when ou are running a live cd you use what is available |
| 05:32.16 | Kkrauss | and as a novice I can only compare the things I know |
| 05:32.21 | Guerin | a livecd without irssi? sacrilege! |
| 05:32.26 | peterS | Kkrauss: some livecds probably include xchat, which is a lot of people's favorite irc client |
| 05:32.30 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 05:32.45 | Kkrauss | I know Mirc and Gaim now and Gaim was awesome in my opinion. Peter it is a new live ced I looked but didnt see it, although that doesnt mean its not there |
| 05:32.52 | peterS | we're pretty heavily biased toward irssi here, but there is an xchat faction too |
| 05:33.01 | Kkrauss | Peter I know very little so I have to do what I know |
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| 05:33.09 | Phated | There's a tiny bit of the bitchx folks too. |
| 05:33.10 | Kkrauss | I wanted to try irrsi but couldnt with the live cd :( |
| 05:33.13 | peterS | and even a small group of bitchx fans |
| 05:33.19 | Phated | peterS: What's the difference between "#debian" and "this channel"? |
| 05:33.51 | peterS | Phated: o i thought i was in #rh lol |
| 05:33.58 | Phated | peterS: *brow* |
| 05:34.13 | Kkrauss | I cant wait to get my other desktop in place so I can do an actual install |
| 05:34.27 | mhall | I am wondering if anybody can suggest a superior replacement for sysklogd, which, if there are some wildcards specified that log *.*, will allow me to prevent the messages from the local[0-7] log facilities from matching the *.* pattern. In sysklogd there is no way to filter these out when they come in from the network and they stomp on my actual real logs and piss me off. |
| 05:34.39 | peterS | Kkrauss: will there be an actual desk, or just a desktop with no legs under it? |
| 05:34.56 | Kkrauss | funny :) |
| 05:35.16 | peterS | guess you could put a desktop on cinderblocks and you'd be ok |
| 05:35.32 | Kkrauss | im still pissed about my desktokp I ordered a BLUE acrylic case and got clear |
| 05:35.41 | Kkrauss | and wasnt able to get the problem fixed |
| 05:36.00 | peterS | none of the usual bleaching agents do the trick? |
| 05:36.18 | peterS | oh, other way round, I mean none of the usual dyes |
| 05:36.21 | Phated | Kkrauss: Meh, use blue LEDs in LED-embedded fans, the fucker'll look blue enough :) |
| 05:36.29 | Kkrauss | phated I am! |
| 05:36.33 | Kkrauss | but that wasnt the plan |
| 05:36.47 | Kkrauss | it was goldy it was a silver and neon blue them |
| 05:36.49 | Kkrauss | sigh |
| 05:36.57 | Phated | peterS: You could use blueing, if you insist on laundry supplies :) |
| 05:36.59 | Kkrauss | never shop at frozencpu.com! |
| 05:37.12 | peterS | I don't want my CPU to freeze |
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| 05:37.22 | peterS | this is why I use linux, I don't want frozen machines |
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| 05:37.37 | Kkrauss | lol |
| 05:37.50 | Kkrauss | Hey there is nothing wrong with wanting your tower to look good as well as run good :) |
| 05:38.16 | peterS | one good-looking Turm deserves another |
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| 05:38.57 | Guerin | *gröan* |
| 05:39.04 | Phated | UTF-8! |
| 05:39.10 | Kkrauss | so why is Gaim so bad? |
| 05:39.21 | Guerin | Kkrauss: because it tries to be all things to all chatters |
| 05:39.30 | Guerin | Kkrauss: and because it's throughly gnometarded |
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| 05:39.34 | Phated | It's not -meant- to be an IRC client, strictly. If it were just a multiprotocol client... well. |
| 05:39.41 | peterS | Kkrauss: partly it's coded in kind of a haphazard way. partly it's designed for IM which is a different sort of thing from IRC, so using it as an IRC client is a poor fit and you end up with clunky or missing features |
| 05:39.46 | Guerin | fwiw it's better than kopete |
| 05:39.46 | Kkrauss | ok but from my pov thats a good thing? I use irc, I use aim I use yahoo etc etc? |
| 05:40.07 | peterS | Kkrauss: I'd use gaim if I wanted the IM protocols, but I'd still use a real IRC client for IRC |
| 05:40.10 | Guerin | Kkrauss: i use irc, icq, msn and jabber from irssi |
| 05:40.32 | diskus | irssi is better for IRC :P |
| 05:40.33 | Kkrauss | yah I noticed that my irc channel looked like an aim window, So for me who my primary concerns will be AIM and IRC what client/s should I use? |
| 05:40.33 | Kkrauss | oohhh irssi does all that too |
| 05:40.33 | Kkrauss | ugh I cant wait to try it |
| 05:40.33 | Guerin | Kkrauss: any irc client can |
| 05:40.34 | sparr | Kkrauss: gaim and kvirc. |
| 05:40.34 | Phated | bitlbee! |
| 05:40.46 | dondelelcaro | however it's pronounced |
| 05:40.46 | Guerin | Kkrauss: /connect im.bitlbee.org, follow instructions, go |
| 05:40.46 | itchi | Guerin: heh, use you an pluggin for msn? |
| 05:40.46 | sandman | Will Debian ever die? |
| 05:40.46 | peterS | Kkrauss: well, irssi doesn't directly but you use a proxy (bitlbee) so that any irc client can talk to those IM networks |
| 05:40.50 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, spelled) |
| 05:40.53 | Guerin | itchi: bitlbee |
| 05:40.54 | dondelelcaro | sandman: unlikely. |
| 05:40.55 | Kkrauss | wait even mIRC? |
| 05:41.00 | Kkrauss | I can log into aim using mIRC? |
| 05:41.01 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I'm just so amazed with it. |
| 05:41.05 | Guerin | sandman: no, because it's not an organism. |
| 05:41.08 | peterS | Kkrauss: if you can run bitlbee on your machine with mIRC, sure |
| 05:41.12 | Phated | dondelelcaro: damn, I wanted to say spelt :) |
| 05:41.13 | sandman | Guerin: It's a social organism. |
| 05:41.20 | peterS | Kkrauss: but I think mirc is Win32-specific, and I don't know what bitlbee does |
| 05:41.23 | Kkrauss | what is bitlbee? |
| 05:41.25 | itchi | Guerin: Thanks, i have find it :-) |
| 05:41.32 | Phated | Kkrauss: google it or summat. |
| 05:41.35 | Kkrauss | well it doesnt matter windows is windows |
| 05:41.41 | dondelelcaro | !bitlbee |
| 05:41.42 | dpkg | [bitlbee] an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 05:41.51 | Kkrauss | first thing ill do on my debian box is get irrsi and hopefully have no problems getting it to work |
| 05:41.54 | Guerin | sandman: it's a collection of individuals. I think it unlikely that ALL the individuals will die at once in the foreseeable future. |
| 05:42.04 | peterS | Kkrauss: irssi not irrsi, you'll have some trouble finding 'irrsi' (: |
| 05:42.10 | Phated | Kkrauss: If you're planning to apt-get it, learning to spell it correctly would help :) |
| 05:42.20 | Phated | Bah, peterS of the Fast Fingers. |
| 05:42.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: esp. since we're geographically distributed... if that happens, the lack of Debian is the least of humanity's problems. |
| 05:42.23 | Kkrauss | sorry sorry |
| 05:42.45 | Guerin | sandman: that said, if it IS in fact an organism, it MUST eventually die, since no organism can (even theoretically) live for ever. |
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| 05:43.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well... some can live for indefinite periods |
| 05:43.19 | Kkrauss | no but they can outlive all other organisms :) |
| 05:43.36 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: but not infinite periods. |
| 05:43.38 | peterS | Guerin: that's assuming you define organism as something that cannot live forever, and that when you say something's an organism you mean literally |
| 05:43.49 | diskus | Kkrauss: irssi is text-based, if you need gui then I would say X-Chat or something else |
| 05:43.55 | Phated | If "all other organisms" include humans, then Debian will -not- outlive all other organisms. |
| 05:44.05 | Phated | diskus: Bah, that's what xterms are for! |
| 05:44.06 | Kkrauss | ahh good looking diskus |
| 05:44.07 | Phated | :) |
| 05:44.12 | Kkrauss | yes I much prever gui |
| 05:44.13 | Guerin | peterS: sandman is making the metaphors up, i'm just taking them ad absurdam to try and see what he's really getting at. |
| 05:44.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: given a hospitible environment, there's nothing inherent in organisms that requires definite lifespans. |
| 05:44.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: in a sense, bacteria never die |
| 05:45.01 | peterS | or, rather, they live forever |
| 05:45.17 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yerp; that's one of the simpler examples... |
| 05:45.29 | Kkrauss | I have an nvidia card |
| 05:45.31 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: mm. |
| 05:45.36 | Kkrauss | im not going to get to use it to its fullest potential am I? |
| 05:45.45 | peterS | Kkrauss: depends on how much headache you're willing to put up with |
| 05:45.50 | Guerin | Kkrauss: what you do with it is up to you. |
| 05:45.53 | Phated | Depends - I play ppracer fine :) |
| 05:45.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: of course, given the eventual heat death or big squish or whatever happens of the universe... ;-) |
| 05:46.03 | peterS | Kkrauss: if you like headaches, you can use nvidia's vendor drivers which are not free software. then you get pretty much full use of the card |
| 05:46.04 | Kkrauss | Well some one made a comment earlier its hard with nvidia cards |
| 05:46.23 | Kkrauss | I havent had to pay for any software on my windows machine? |
| 05:46.25 | peterS | Kkrauss: if you're not so keen on headaches, you use the free drivers that debian supports and your card does crappy 3D but works fine otherwise |
| 05:46.30 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: that's where I was headed ... but even so, it's theoretically possible to escape a local catastrophe like, say, the sun exploding ;) |
| 05:46.34 | Phated | Kkrauss: Free as in speech, not as in beer. |
| 05:46.43 | Guerin | there is a distinct lack of data on this, though |
| 05:46.46 | peterS | Kkrauss: nvidia's vendor-provided drivers don't cost money, they just aren't free software |
| 05:46.59 | Phated | peterS: Libre, libre! ;) |
| 05:47.02 | Guerin | Kkrauss: that's because you're a zerawleet |
| 05:47.17 | peterS | Phated: and I didn't even ask your sign |
| 05:47.19 | Phated | Guerin: Should I dict that, or just ask you? |
| 05:47.23 | Phated | peterS: Bah :P |
| 05:47.29 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: sure; I just meant that given a hospitable environment, it's possible for some organisms to live indefinitely |
| 05:47.32 | Kkrauss | I think its a comment about leet |
| 05:47.32 | Guerin | Phated: it might turn up some fun hits on google |
| 05:47.33 | Kkrauss | and warez |
| 05:47.34 | Kkrauss | and no im not |
| 05:47.48 | Kkrauss | everytime I reinstall windows I simply go to the nvidia site and download what I need at no cost |
| 05:47.50 | Guerin | Kkrauss: you paid for partitionmagic? |
| 05:47.59 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
| 05:48.00 | Phated | Guerin: Fun as in NSFW or fun as in heh? |
| 05:48.17 | Guerin | Phated: you're belittling fun that's SFW again. |
| 05:48.18 | Phated | Oh meh :) |
| 05:48.21 | Kkrauss | That is none of your business |
| 05:48.24 | Kkrauss | and irrelivent to this conversation |
| 05:48.29 | Guerin | Kkrauss: i win. |
| 05:48.31 | Kkrauss | You seriously need to get that bug out of your ass |
| 05:48.35 | Kkrauss | yes you won |
| 05:48.37 | Phated | Guerin: I wasn't belittling it, I was trying to ask which it was :P |
| 05:48.40 | Kkrauss | and are still a retard |
| 05:48.47 | peterS | I don't know quite what zerawleet means but I gather it's related to whether you pay for partition magic |
| 05:48.58 | Guerin | Kkrauss: at least I'm not pretending to not be a software pirate |
| 05:49.03 | Phated | Guerin: Aww, it's OK, Kkrauss will start flaming people anytime they say anything that might show him up as a bit of a prat. |
| 05:49.14 | Kkrauss | omg |
| 05:49.19 | peterS | enough prattle |
| 05:49.24 | peterS | we went through this yesterday |
| 05:49.28 | dondelelcaro | w00t fortunecity... |
| 05:49.34 | Phated | Guerin: Do you, then, -admit- to being a pirate, or are you -not- a pirate? :) |
| 05:49.47 | peterS | Phated: ask him whether he stopped beating his wife yet |
| 05:49.53 | Kkrauss | butt pirate |
| 05:49.59 | Guerin | haven't used illegally copied software since AUgust 2003, when I switched wholesale to free software |
| 05:50.03 | Phated | peterS: Him == Kkrauss? Naw, he's insulting my kind now, look! |
| 05:50.09 | Guerin | Kkrauss: is that a bad thing? |
| 05:50.10 | Phated | Guerin: Awesome. |
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| 05:50.41 | Kkrauss | wait wait wait you are trying to call me a software pirate when you yourself used to be one?? |
| 05:50.55 | Guerin | Kkrauss: i'm born again. Hallelujah! |
| 05:51.22 | Kkrauss | fucking hypocrite, you attack me for no reason because I said "i didnt pay for partition magic" which btw did NOT mean it was stolen and you are a pirate yoruself |
| 05:51.25 | peterS | I think we need a revival meeting in here |
| 05:51.32 | Phated | AMEN, BROTHER! |
| 05:51.42 | Guerin | Kkrauss: nono, I attacked you for DENYING it. |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | Kkrauss: whereas I never did. |
| 05:51.51 | Kkrauss | everytime I come in here no matter what I do you gotta start something with me |
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| 05:51.59 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:52.05 | Guerin | it's because you're a fucking idiot, and put your foot in it |
| 05:52.09 | lnzju_ | tengulre: hi |
| 05:52.11 | streuner | haha |
| 05:52.12 | Guerin | bvut it's cool |
| 05:52.14 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, baby, keep going :) |
| 05:52.16 | Guerin | i can live in peace |
| 05:52.19 | peterS | enough, guys. both of you. all three of you. all six of you. |
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| 05:52.26 | tengulre | which tools can scan remote mackine 's ports is opened? |
| 05:52.26 | Kkrauss | peter im tired of shit shit |
| 05:52.29 | Kkrauss | I come in here and do nothing wrong |
| 05:52.32 | Kkrauss | and this asshole starts with me |
| 05:52.33 | Guerin | tengulre: nmap |
| 05:52.34 | tengulre | lnzju_: hi! ;) |
| 05:52.37 | Phated | peterS: Hrm... 2, 3, 6... is the next number 7? |
| 05:52.45 | peterS | maybe |
| 05:52.53 | Kkrauss | all I said was Ive neve rhad to pay for nvidia drivers |
| 05:52.59 | Guerin | Phated: could be 9, 18 |
| 05:53.00 | tengulre | Guerin: tks! |
| 05:53.05 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah :) |
| 05:53.15 | Kkrauss | and because he is a freaking loser with nothing better to do than berate others to make him feel better about his small penis hes gotta start with me |
| 05:53.28 | Guerin | when did this become about penises? |
| 05:53.31 | peterS | Kkrauss: and you don't have to pay for them in debian either. it's just that they aren't free software so debian can't support them so they occasionally cause headaches. and shortness of breath and sometimes tinnitus and mild nausea |
| 05:53.39 | streuner | hm, peterS... |
| 05:53.49 | Phated | peterS: How come we can't call him idiots but he can call us losers and penis-losers? |
| 05:54.02 | Kkrauss | Peter I understand that and you are very helpful but the point has changed to Guerin constantly starting with me |
| 05:54.02 | streuner | newbies |
| 05:54.02 | Phated | *sob* |
| 05:54.09 | Guerin | don't forget ass-pirate |
| 05:54.11 | peterS | Phated: I'm telling you _all_ to stop. never mind the size of your penis, either. |
| 05:54.11 | mhall | Kkrauss: And, this flaming of yours, it's supposed to improve the situation? |
| 05:54.20 | Kkrauss | phated I havent said a word about you only about Guerin and only after he uses similar language against me |
| 05:54.23 | Phated | peterS: My penis is non-existent! *bawl* |
| 05:54.27 | mhall | peterS: good description of their behavior |
| 05:54.33 | Phated | Kkrauss: He said NOTHING about your penis. |
| 05:54.40 | mhall | Phated: only because you have something better ;-) |
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| 05:54.47 | Phated | mhall: Boobies, yes :) |
| 05:54.59 | Phated | Guerin: butt pirate was his term. |
| 05:54.59 | mhall | Phated: not what i had in mind but also true |
| 05:55.01 | peterS | I don't want to get medieval but I will if I have to. now EVERYONE STOP WITH THE FLAMING AND NAME-CALLING. |
| 05:55.12 | Phated | mhall: I can't say p***y on #debian, it's family-friendly! |
| 05:55.12 | Guerin | just when the channel couldn't get any lower, mhall turns up |
| 05:55.27 | Guerin | Phated: omg you have a pinky!??!1 |
| 05:55.28 | peterS | you can't say "pithy"? |
| 05:55.45 | peterS | oh, I know, "Phaty" |
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| 05:55.55 | Guerin | potty? |
| 05:55.56 | Kkrauss | now it will stop for a while, then next time im in ill talk innocently for 15 minutes and get attacked again it appears to be the cycle lol |
| 05:56.10 | Phated | AAAAUGH, again with the fucking lol. |
| 05:56.11 | mhall | hmm. let's take a look at public static boolean mhall::doesCare()... looks like it just returns false everytime Guerin! ;-) |
| 05:56.13 | sandman | Has anyone else had a problem wherein bash appears to more or less freeze up when you try to autocomplete chinese characters? |
| 05:56.24 | sandman | When one Tabs it? |
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| 05:56.39 | Phated | Heh, chinese in bash *ow* |
| 05:56.39 | mhall | sandman: hmm. there could be a couple things |
| 05:56.46 | Kkrauss | No matter how much you complain its not hurting anyone so im not droppoing lol, if you dont like it or me ignore me and get over it |
| 05:56.53 | mhall | sandman: one thing, maybe it goes into one of the dynamic completion modes |
| 05:57.07 | mhall | sandman: and then tries to go read some resource looking for a match |
| 05:57.15 | mhall | sandman: but that's only if you loaded /etc/bash_completion |
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| 05:57.25 | mhall | sandman: other than that, maybe your fonts or locales are screwed |
| 05:57.30 | peterS | sandman: what does 'more or less freeze up' mean? does it respond eventually, or not? |
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| 05:57.43 | sandman | peterS: I have to hit ctrl+c |
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| 05:57.52 | mhall | sandman: i had bash do some real odd screen corruption when i tried to use utf-8 stuff over ssh when the remote bash was in an ascii locale |
| 05:57.53 | sandman | peterS: Or hit enter a bunch of times |
| 05:57.59 | Guerin | Kkrauss: that's cool. You go on being an idiot, and I'll go on being an arsehole. |
| 05:58.04 | Kkrauss | peter I know with debian I can mount fat32partitions but can it mount ntfs? |
| 05:58.10 | Guerin | this seems to be the way of the universe |
| 05:58.17 | mhall | Kkrauss: read but not write |
| 05:58.26 | Guerin | i have to go gets mussels and beer |
| 05:58.27 | peterS | Guerin: yeah but both of you please try not to do it in _here_> |
| 05:58.33 | sandman | Guerin: Wow.. your behavior... |
| 05:58.34 | Kkrauss | see the only difference is only one of those two opinions is correct, and I tell you this I am far from an idiot |
| 05:58.34 | Phated | Guerin: We love your arsehole, darling. |
| 05:58.41 | sandman | Guerin: Almost... turns me on... |
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| 05:58.53 | Kkrauss | im not being a freaking idiot by writing lol |
| 05:58.58 | Phated | For values of "far from" corresponding to "exactly like". |
| 05:59.07 | mhall | Kkrauss: unfortunately what you might find is, the one which is correct is not the one you hoped |
| 05:59.09 | sandman | Guerin: No, nevermind. I'm actually just hungry. |
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| 05:59.16 | Kkrauss | just because you guys got a stick up your ass syaing that means you are an aol user which in 20 years ive used once for five minutes is your own problem |
| 05:59.30 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 05:59.35 | sandman | Kkrauss: You know, if you keep making that face, it's going to stay that way. |
| 05:59.35 | mhall | Kkrauss: this probability approaches 1 as kkrauss::linesOfComplaintsCounter increments |
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| 05:59.43 | Guerin | again with the imputations of homosexuality |
| 05:59.53 | peterS | Kkrauss: nobody said you _are_ an aol user, just that you _look_ like one. also, I thought we settled this a long time ago, I'm getting pretty tired of trying to remind all of you to stop |
| 06:00.01 | Phated | Guerin: Actually, prudishness, I think. |
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| 06:00.22 | Phated | mhall: Oooh, perl, baby, take me now. |
| 06:00.38 | iter | omg take it to #lame-flamewars |
| 06:00.38 | mhall | Phated: i'm certainly not opposed to the idea |
| 06:00.41 | Kkrauss | Peter I fully admit that I allow this to continue as well but as I pointed out to you, most of the time I am only responding to what is being said to me |
| 06:00.47 | Phated | mhall: Do eet :) |
| 06:00.50 | sandman | peterS: Oh, c'mon... let him continue on his way, it's entertaining. Besides, if we tolerate it, it'll be good PR versus that "elitism" that seems to be associated with this channel. |
| 06:00.54 | peterS | Kkrauss: fair enough, now stop doing that |
| 06:01.13 | sandman | peterS: Oh darn, for some reason I thought I /m'd that. |
| 06:01.16 | Kkrauss | Now ive got myself hitting enter less and less often but get over the freaking lol im tired of hearing about it from freaking kids who have used the net for probably a fraction of what I have |
| 06:01.16 | mhall | Phated: if only the logistics weren't so foobarred |
| 06:01.20 | peterS | sandman: no, it's not entertaining, it's tiresome. everyone has made their point. |
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| 06:01.36 | Kkrauss | Well peter I would if you would actually say stop to those guys when they say something but you dont, you wait until I respond to it. |
| 06:01.49 | iter | +m |
| 06:01.53 | Phated | sandman: I'd take "elitism" over "fucktard0filled". |
| 06:01.55 | tengulre | what sytem is it on 221.11.5.184? |
| 06:02.08 | Guerin | !htfswk tengulre |
| 06:02.08 | dpkg | tengulre: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 06:02.10 | mhall | Phated: but now you see, what i'm like after spending 12 hours at my job today |
| 06:02.11 | Phated | s/0/\-/ |
| 06:02.17 | Phated | mhall: Prft. |
| 06:02.19 | peterS | Kkrauss: I've told them to stop. I'm giving everyone a lot of warnings tonight because I'm in a good mood. eventually I'll run out of them though. |
| 06:02.26 | Guerin | tengulre: your options: 1. ask the admin 2. nmap |
| 06:02.44 | Kkrauss | well im done but I will stick up for myself even if I am outnumbered cuz im not part of the cool kids |
| 06:03.02 | Guerin | tengulre: caution required with 2, lest you get reported to your isp for 'hacking' |
| 06:03.22 | mhall | tengulre: i think what you need is an ip block whois request |
| 06:03.29 | Phated | peterS: Aww, come ON, we've ALL stopped, now he's just going on about being oppressed! |
| 06:03.37 | mhall | Phated: /ig |
| 06:03.41 | mhall | Phated: is bliss |
| 06:03.44 | iter | no kidding |
| 06:03.48 | Phated | mhall: Naw, sandman's right, it's entertaining :) |
| 06:03.50 | mhall | iter: to which? |
| 06:03.55 | peterS | Phated: no, you stop then you start making veiled insults in his direction. it's not helping. seriously. |
| 06:03.59 | iter | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.03 | mhall | iter: ya rly |
| 06:04.26 | ganesh | hey everybody!! |
| 06:04.28 | tengulre | I only want to that is a Linux or Windows platform? |
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| 06:04.39 | Phated | Bah. |
| 06:04.42 | mhall | At least my 12 hours resulted in a fun utility. |
| 06:04.46 | Phated | tengulre: Ask the admin. |
| 06:04.48 | mhall | I coded up a CLI SNMP trap decoder. |
| 06:04.55 | Phated | mhall: Cor, awesome. |
| 06:04.57 | iter | oh word ? |
| 06:05.16 | tengulre | Phated: I never meet the admin. |
| 06:05.17 | peterS | CLI as in common language infrastructure or CLI as in command-line interface? |
| 06:05.20 | sandman | BTW: That file that I mentioned which had chinese characters, if you check scrollback, I had just put on a CD. |
| 06:05.22 | Kkrauss | peter what is the linux version of tracert? |
| 06:05.23 | Phated | tengulre: Call or something. |
| 06:05.27 | Phated | peterS: Latter, I think. |
| 06:05.35 | sandman | And now it's causing gnome-volume-manager to crash |
| 06:05.36 | peterS | yeah probably or he would have said C# |
| 06:05.36 | ganesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.38 | Phated | Kkrauss: traceroute |
| 06:05.39 | mhall | I already have a rockin' SNMP library so now I am writing some frontends to give me different functionalities I need for testing. |
| 06:05.39 | sandman | Whenever I mount the volume. |
| 06:05.41 | peterS | or visual basic |
| 06:05.42 | mhall | peterS: commandline |
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| 06:05.52 | ganesh | Testing |
| 06:06.02 | tengulre | How to attack it? |
| 06:06.08 | Guerin | tengulre: nmap can detyect the os on a remote machine |
| 06:06.09 | Kkrauss | ive got an unexplainabled ip\ |
| 06:06.18 | Phated | peterS: tengulre seems like a kiddie? |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | tengulre: but once again, be careful about it. And remember it's not 100% reliable. |
| 06:06.27 | Phated | mhall: Surely you've always -had- the functionality, you're just writing a frontend to -use- it :) |
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| 06:06.37 | peterS | Kkrauss: there's actually several traceroute implementations in linux, they all do slightly different things. check it out - 'apt-cache search traceroute' |
| 06:06.37 | FarrisG | Ok here's anotherone. I briefly created a second alias/address on an interface (eth0:0) and configured a wan address on it. It worked, and then I turned off that interface, but now I can STILL route to that second address from an external box. How in the world is that possible? |
| 06:06.54 | Kkrauss | i ran tracert from my laptop |
| 06:06.58 | Kkrauss | and traceroute |
| 06:07.00 | FarrisG | Is there something fundamental I don't understand about routing? Is that kind of route cached beyond my network edge for some period of time? |
| 06:07.02 | Kkrauss | from the desktop |
| 06:07.14 | mhall | Phated: In a sense. |
| 06:07.26 | Phated | mhall: Meh, I'm just being anal now. :) |
| 06:07.28 | peterS | Kkrauss: tracert is called that because Microsoft didn't want to exceed the 8-character limit for command names, in case FAT screws up your long filenames, which it occasionally used to do on windows 95 |
| 06:07.33 | mhall | Phated: The library is kind of raw, so it needs a little business logic to get it up to the usable level. |
| 06:07.33 | Kkrauss | because im working on an ftp server that as far as I can tell is set up perfectly BUT ive got an explained ip, doesnt belong to me locally on either system modem or router AND its a public ip address |
| 06:07.42 | tengulre | I m boy and study in xi'an Middle school! ;) |
| 06:07.48 | Kkrauss | I kow that peter, windows I do know |
| 06:07.50 | tengulre | s/boy/a boy/ |
| 06:08.00 | Phated | tengulre: Why is that relevant in any form? |
| 06:08.05 | tengulre | Kkrauss: are you answer me? |
| 06:08.10 | valdyn | FarrisG: routes don't require the endpoint to be up and running to be functional |
| 06:08.11 | peterS | Kkrauss: well, the point is, it's Microsoft's implementation of traceroute which existed on unix long before |
| 06:08.33 | peterS | or, more probably, Microsoft's port of BSD traceroute |
| 06:08.42 | Kkrauss | lol |
| 06:08.43 | valdyn | FarrisG: if your eth0:0 or whatever still replies to pings, that would be an issue |
| 06:08.43 | Phated | s/port/steal/ :) |
| 06:08.52 | mhall | Phated: i support it's relevant in that, you said he was a k1dd1e |
| 06:08.57 | iter | ain't stealing if it's bsd |
| 06:08.58 | FarrisG | valdyn: Ok that makes sense. Yes, that's the issue, it DOES still reply to pings. |
| 06:08.59 | peterS | Phated: steal is a strong word, BSD allows that kind of borrowing |
| 06:09.00 | Kkrauss | its ok peter you hate MS its ok :) |
| 06:09.01 | mhall | Phated: but it turned out he was really a kiddie i think |
| 06:09.11 | Kkrauss | looks lke im not going ot get an ftp server running with debian either hmm |
| 06:09.13 | FarrisG | valdyn: And any service currently listening on that box |
| 06:09.16 | Phated | mhall: "Hot to attack it?" |
| 06:09.24 | peterS | Kkrauss: where did you get that impression? they didn't do anything wrong by porting BSD traceroute and renaming it to fit their platform limitations |
| 06:09.26 | Phated | peterS: Yeh yeh :) |
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| 06:09.30 | mhall | Phated: i think it was meant in the sense of attacking the problem, not the box |
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| 06:09.41 | iter | I would hope so |
| 06:09.44 | valdyn | FarrisG: its still up then, that IP, ifconfig should list it |
| 06:09.48 | mhall | Phated: i thought that expression was common among lesser-skilled asians using english |
| 06:09.50 | Phated | mhall: Mmm, I dunno. I -hope- so. |
| 06:09.50 | iter | ifconfig -a |
| 06:09.55 | FarrisG | valdyn: ifconfig doesn't list it |
| 06:09.59 | Phated | mhall: No idea. |
| 06:10.05 | Kkrauss | peter any ideas on my ysterious ip when i run traceroute :) |
| 06:10.16 | peterS | Kkrauss: I find Microsoft platforms really limiting and annoying to use, but that doesn't mean I hate the company. I'm just happy that I don't have to use their software. |
| 06:10.18 | iter | you can ping the ip?!?! |
| 06:10.22 | Phated | Kkrauss: Define "mysterious". |
| 06:10.26 | valdyn | FarrisG: maybe that IP does not really belong to you and its a different host |
| 06:10.38 | tengulre | Phated: I want to know is it OA?(Office Automatization). |
| 06:10.38 | Kkrauss | phated its a public ip address |
| 06:10.40 | peterS | Kkrauss: and no, I have no idea why you have an IP address you cannot account for. that would require knowing anything about your network, which I don't, and I don't really want to |
| 06:10.41 | mhall | peterS: me too, except i do have to use their software |
| 06:10.44 | mhall | peterS: ;-) |
| 06:10.48 | Kkrauss | doesnt belong to my modem |
| 06:10.52 | FarrisG | valdyn: It most definitely does, and it most definitely isn't. :) |
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| 06:11.07 | Phated | Kkrauss: Why is that odd? Your ISP prolly routes you through some funny block proxy or summat. |
| 06:11.15 | FarrisG | valdyn: That's what's scary. For i nstance, I have ssh running on that box. If I ssh to either address, I get the same host key |
| 06:11.24 | Phated | tengulre: What, precisely, is your problem? |
| 06:11.44 | Phated | ... damn, I can speak Chinese, I forgot. |
| 06:11.51 | mhall | FarrisG: that could just be a result of vhosting? |
| 06:12.16 | FarrisG | mhall: vhosting where? I'm not vhosting anything on my end |
| 06:12.16 | Kkrauss | on first hop? |
| 06:12.17 | peterS | Phated: cantonese or mandarin? |
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| 06:12.31 | mhall | FarrisG: i didn't quite see the whole problem description |
| 06:12.33 | peterS | I can't keep your part of the world straight (: |
| 06:12.40 | Phated | peterS: Mandarin and Hokkien, actually. |
| 06:12.41 | mhall | FarrisG: but that was the one place i'd seen that problem |
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| 06:13.15 | mhall | anyways i gotta leave work now |
| 06:13.16 | mhall | ttyl all |
| 06:13.31 | Phated | Kkrauss: What, hop -1-? |
| 06:14.03 | FarrisG | This box is just a firewall. It sits between my ISP's router and my internal network. I briefly ifup'd an alias on eth0:0 (on the same network as eth0's address). When I ifdown'd eth0:0, that box is now still responding to external requests for that second ip address |
| 06:14.29 | peterS | every time I see that guy I think of the made-for-TV christmas opera by Menotti, "Mhall and the Night Visitors" |
| 06:15.03 | Phated | Mm, what package was dig in again? net-tools or something similar? |
| 06:15.14 | peterS | dnsutils |
| 06:15.37 | Phated | Ah, thank you. |
| 06:17.29 | nvz | is there some earthly way to run multiple instances of totem on the same display? |
| 06:18.03 | kalila | "less" has -X option to leave the text on screen when exiting. Is there something similar for man? |
| 06:18.11 | kalila | texinfo basically |
| 06:18.32 | nvz | kalila: man uses $PAGER |
| 06:18.41 | nvz | which can be set to less |
| 06:18.43 | kalila | set to? |
| 06:19.18 | peterS | kalila: right, just set 'PAGER=less' and 'LESS=-X' and you're good to go |
| 06:19.30 | FarrisG | valdyn: Ok, only now, after the if has been down about 10 minutes, am I suddenly unable to connect to services via that address. Is it possible this route was somehow cached, and being an alias, it was ACTUALLY just routing straight to eth0? |
| 06:19.32 | peterS | kalila: I think there is also a 'MANPAGER=less' if you don't want all other programs to use less as well |
| 06:19.56 | kalila | apparently pager is just less? |
| 06:20.01 | kalila | man pager redirects to less |
| 06:20.15 | kalila | peterS: nvz : thanks |
| 06:20.52 | nvz | gxine and mplayer can run multiple instances but I cant figure out how to get totem to do it |
| 06:20.53 | Phated | pager is a symlink, prolly. |
| 06:21.06 | peterS | it's an alternative |
| 06:21.10 | FarrisG | valdyn: And now a traceroute to that IP address ends at the hop just beyond my local edge. Looks like the route itself was cached there, and since the next hop from it was eth0 on my box, it was still responding |
| 06:21.39 | Phated | Oh, right, /etc/alternatives/, sily me. |
| 06:21.56 | peterS | and yes, I set 'LESS=-X' and 'PAGER=less' a _long_ time ago. those things made it into my .bashrc probably 10 years ago (: |
| 06:22.14 | tengulre | canybody can introduce a instant message tools to me? |
| 06:22.15 | peterS | I used to have a bunch more LESS options set as well, but -X is the only one I feel like I really need |
| 06:22.16 | kalila | yup, very useful |
| 06:22.31 | tengulre | I m pointer it for server version. |
| 06:24.00 | peterS | hmmmmmm .... come to think of it, I suppose those things didn't hit my .bashrc until slightly more recently, because 10 years ago I was still using tcsh (: |
| 06:24.07 | DaBlade | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Debian/AIGLX <--- It says here at the end to restart gdm |
| 06:24.13 | DaBlade | but I don't use gdm, I use kdm |
| 06:24.14 | dondelelcaro | I actually sometimes like not having -X |
| 06:24.15 | DaBlade | and KDE |
| 06:24.26 | DaBlade | How do I install AIGLX on Etch with kde? |
| 06:24.26 | peterS | DaBlade: don't worry about that, just kill your X server. log out, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 06:24.27 | dondelelcaro | esp. because my terminals usually make what less showed go away |
| 06:24.35 | dondelelcaro | (so I usually specify it manually when I want it) |
| 06:24.35 | DaBlade | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 06:24.37 | peterS | DaBlade: kdm will restart the X server at that point |
| 06:24.54 | DaBlade | peterS: No, it won't. I configured it not to autorestart X. :) |
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| 06:24.56 | peterS | DaBlade: so assuming the reason they told you to restart gdm was to make sure the X server got restarted ... that will do the job just as well |
| 06:25.00 | DaBlade | A reboot will do the trick |
| 06:25.11 | peterS | now whyever would you run kdm but not have it restart X? |
| 06:25.13 | kalila | usually no need for a reboot |
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| 06:25.22 | DaBlade | peterS: I use the official nVIDIA installer. |
| 06:25.28 | peterS | or maybe you aren't running kdm but are starting up with 'startkde' instead? |
| 06:25.28 | kalila | hm |
| 06:25.30 | evil_ | hello |
| 06:25.31 | DaBlade | To install nVIDIA packages, I need to leave X |
| 06:25.41 | DaBlade | and KDM has a tendency to restart it, as you say. :) |
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| 06:25.56 | DaBlade | So when I wanna install new nVIDIA driver versions, I prefer X not to be restarted |
| 06:26.03 | peterS | well, the important thing is restarting the X server. however you do that. |
| 06:26.10 | DaBlade | Alright |
| 06:26.12 | DaBlade | Thanks |
| 06:26.22 | peterS | whether it's by letting gdm or xdm or kdm do it automatically, or whether it's letting X shut down and then running 'startkde' again. |
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| 06:26.37 | DaBlade | peterS: Ok, thanks |
| 06:26.37 | chris_goe | hello |
| 06:26.59 | itchi | With dmesg i get many ata_piix : Unknown symbol http://pastebin.ca/248967 |
| 06:27.08 | chris_goe | (ok, this irc client works better) |
| 06:27.27 | chris_goe | has anyone noticed strange maildrop behaviour? |
| 06:27.29 | peterS | chris_goe: how'd you manage to get that? did you use 'insmod' instead of 'modprobe', or something? |
| 06:27.34 | peterS | errrr |
| 06:27.36 | peterS | itchi: ^^^^ |
| 06:27.41 | cam | i have a raid 0 made with 2 500gig hd, raid is done using the 631x/632x ESB intel chipset. In the bios, the raid is created and bootable. When i boot from an netinst etch cd, I got my 2 drives listed as sda & sdb. but I cannot see the raid volume created ... any ideas ? |
| 06:27.45 | chris_goe | my maildrop config stopped working |
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| 06:28.29 | peterS | cam: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 06:28.33 | itchi | peterS: It's on the laptop, i had need to give install libata.atapi_enable=1 as boot param so that the cd rom would be detected during the install |
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| 06:29.02 | peterS | itchi: very odd, those missing symbols should never happen when you're using regular debian kernels and regular debian tools |
| 06:29.08 | itchi | peterS: hdparm tell me that the hda the dma is off, a bit slow now |
| 06:29.10 | A300 | Hello. How (in fluxbox) can you get xedit to open a file inroot mode? |
| 06:29.21 | itchi | peterS: It's the stock kernel |
| 06:29.31 | peterS | itchi: with ata_piix you should not have a "hda" at all, it should be "sda" |
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| 06:29.50 | chris_goe | A300: sudo xedit? |
| 06:30.02 | itchi | peterS: 2.6.17-2-686, i get these message just after and new Etch install |
| 06:30.03 | peterS | itchi: but if it fails to load and something else loads instead, like ide-generic ... I guess that could happen |
| 06:30.36 | A300 | chris_goe, no sudo, ill install it |
| 06:31.20 | itchi | peterS: In /etc/modules i have just loop and sbp2 (and some stuff i have added for wifi cpufreq and so) |
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| 06:31.52 | peterS | sbp2 - does that work ok? firewire disks? |
| 06:31.52 | A300 | will sudo act the same as su root would cause that gives erros about not finding the x server |
| 06:32.19 | cahoot | A300: could use sux |
| 06:32.32 | A300 | cahoot, what is that? |
| 06:32.39 | Phated | !sux |
| 06:32.39 | dpkg | [sux] su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 06:32.41 | chris_goe | A300, I dunno what you mean: you're about to *install* or *use* xedit? |
| 06:32.47 | itchi | peterS: If i not give the param install libata.atapi_enable=1 i can not install debian on the laptop. I had need to take that Etch daily, like it's an brand new laptop |
| 06:33.00 | Phated | A300: If you want to edit the file as root, use sux xedit. |
| 06:34.18 | chris_goe | is 'xfilter "/usr/bin/spamc"' still a valid command in maildrop? (.mailfilter) |
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| 06:36.07 | tengulre | apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName, why? |
| 06:36.13 | Defty | Anyone experience lack of fonts in gtk programs lately? |
| 06:36.26 | Defty | such that all chars are just [] squares like that |
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| 06:37.52 | chris_goe | tengulre: 127.0.0.1 is not a FQDN, IIRC |
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| 06:39.22 | Phated | It's not a DN at all ;) |
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| 06:40.04 | A300 | I get the same error using su root, sux, and sudo: can not find display 0.0 |
| 06:40.30 | tengulre | which file saving command hostname information in direcotry /etc? |
| 06:40.33 | Phated | D'you, like, have X started? Are running in it? |
| 06:40.34 | A300 | er can not open display :0.0 |
| 06:40.38 | chris_goe | A300: you might have to set $DISPLAY again |
| 06:40.51 | A300 | Yes i am, X is running fine and i am in fluxbox as my normal user |
| 06:41.09 | Phated | Mm, odd. echo $DISPLAY? |
| 06:41.11 | chris_goe | echo $DISPLAY as normal user, then export it within the sux instance again |
| 06:41.20 | Phated | Yeah, do what he said. |
| 06:41.33 | cahoot | A300: got xutils installed? |
| 06:41.58 | A300 | bah! thats so damn insane to do a simple switch to root heh |
| 06:42.03 | A300 | cahoot ill check |
| 06:42.19 | A300 | yes cahoot it is |
| 06:42.40 | udos | why does 'zip -9 -D blah.zip /tmp/*.txt' still store directory tree?? |
| 06:42.48 | chris_goe | A300: out of curiosity, why do you want to exxecute an X11 app as root? |
| 06:42.49 | A300 | if vi wasnt being so damn upity on me id jsut use it |
| 06:42.59 | udos | -D should be dumping all that dir info |
| 06:43.08 | udos | acoring to manpage, thatis |
| 06:43.12 | kalila | anyone tried those tablet pen devices? supposedly good for drawing or even a mouse replacement |
| 06:43.22 | A300 | chris_goe, i jsut need to edit a few files (network config) as root and vi is being upity on me |
| 06:43.29 | cahoot | A300: sorry meant xbase-clients |
| 06:44.21 | chris_goe | kalila, tried a wacom tablet once, even played Q3 with it...was fun, but no use for non-graphic work... |
| 06:44.25 | A300 | cahoot apt-get says it is latest (but apt-get LIES (ok ok for stable it is, shold have gone with a diff branch) |
| 06:44.53 | kalila | chris_goe: reliablity? |
| 06:45.44 | A300 | ok lets hit this from a diff angle, what is a fast cli text editor that will work correctly (vi is giving errors when I try to !q and have edited the file (yes i want ot forcably exit with out saving, it refuses with a command error) |
| 06:45.54 | chris_goe | kalila: reliablity...what do you mean? |
| 06:46.14 | chris_goe | my mouse works reliable too :) |
| 06:46.30 | chris_goe | A300: nano? |
| 06:46.57 | chris_goe | mcedit? |
| 06:47.14 | kalila | chris_goe: I mean how easy is it to break it |
| 06:47.15 | A300 | chris_goe, ill give it a shot, dunno if i ever used it before, till this install i always used vi and it was good, but now its being a [explicitive removed] |
| 06:47.29 | chris_goe | A300: it's q!, not !q |
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| 06:48.02 | chris_goe | like x! to overcome 0444 |
| 06:48.11 | kalila | A300: !something is for running commands, so you could do !ls to list file in current dir |
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| 06:48.35 | A300 | chris_goe really? hmm on my little embeded units its !q, or so i remember it that way |
| 06:48.42 | kalila | A300: and stick with vi (or better vim) if you really want powerful cli editing :) |
| 06:49.00 | Guerin | emacs > * |
| 06:49.03 | A300 | kalila, dont need much power, jsut a few line edits and saves |
| 06:49.17 | A300 | oh damn it i knew this would start that crap |
| 06:49.20 | Pons | hey guys.. i have some trouble.. i have an openvpn set up and running and i need to forward a port inside the vpn (from one vpn client) to the public ip of other vpn client. |
| 06:49.26 | Pons | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 6667 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.8:80 |
| 06:49.33 | Pons | i did that rule so all traffic comming to port 6667 in eth0 should go to 10.0.0.8 port 80 in the vpn but it doesn't work. |
| 06:49.35 | kalila | vim + vimshell > * |
| 06:49.36 | A300 | dos 6.22 edit via wine for life!! (har!) |
| 06:49.40 | Pons | i tried an inverse snat rule, but doesn't work either |
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| 06:50.01 | A300 | brb children need put to bed |
| 06:50.07 | esters | GL |
| 06:50.24 | exobyte | children imply sex |
| 06:50.34 | chris_goe | A300: vimtutor program that comes with vim and provides a 30min crashcourse... |
| 06:50.35 | exobyte | I'm in awe of A300 |
| 06:50.54 | Guerin | exobyte: go back to slashdot |
| 06:51.08 | exobyte | LOL |
| 06:51.12 | exobyte | you mean digg |
| 06:51.17 | Guerin | no |
| 06:52.10 | exobyte | oh, right. ubuntu fanboys live there |
| 06:53.00 | esters | :DD |
| 06:54.23 | udos | ok found the -j |
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| 06:54.42 | A300 | uhg exobyte |
| 06:54.53 | aaae | www.mldesigners.com just got OWNED! |
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| 06:54.55 | A300 | its not all its cracked up to be, stay virginal |
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| 06:56.10 | exobyte | A300: you serious? |
| 06:56.46 | Guerin | A300: you have my condolences. |
| 06:56.54 | A300 | lol Guerin |
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| 07:00.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:00.41 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:05.04 | stefan | how can I via ssh determine what processes that are using the eth0 on a machine? |
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| 07:06.17 | pstickne | ifconfig + netstat + some paper? :) |
| 07:06.21 | Dewi | stefan: netstat's -p will identify a process |
| 07:06.47 | Dewi | for each open socket |
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| 07:08.52 | stefan | how do i do a comlpete removal with apt-get? without saving the conf-files? |
| 07:09.05 | tarzeau | stefan: --purge |
| 07:09.05 | Guerin | stefan: man aprt-get |
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| 07:09.16 | tarzeau | it can't remove user config files in user homes though |
| 07:09.22 | tarzeau | and be careful, debconf settings will be kept too |
| 07:09.29 | Guerin | and can't remove dirs in which files have eben created |
| 07:09.30 | tarzeau | (the debconf stuff can be very nasty) |
| 07:09.36 | tarzeau | Guerin: ah, that also |
| 07:10.14 | stefan | i want to remove a package and also it's conffiles, do I do "apt-get remove --purge package-name"? |
| 07:10.37 | stefan | Dewi, can i determine how much a certain program uses the eth0 |
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| 07:11.02 | pstickne | a logger/inspector like ethereal? |
| 07:11.12 | pstickne | (or just tcpdump) |
| 07:11.44 | pstickne | stefan, but they don't have a nice way to interface with process resolution afaik, but I never tried |
| 07:11.46 | Dewi | stefan: that would be more netstat's territory |
| 07:12.13 | Dewi | stefan: but it might not get you a process ID... however it would get you a port number you could check against netstat |
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| 07:14.31 | stefan | i have a server running and the switch tells me that it is working all the time but i don't understand with what. what i want to do is to determine what program that sends/recieves info all the time.. |
| 07:14.51 | Guerin | stefan: you want something like iptraf |
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| 07:16.25 | kalila | on a wacom tablet, how do different pressure levels get translated? thicker lines in drawing software? is that supported in e.g Gimp? |
| 07:18.29 | Guerin | kalila: not thicker, but heavier |
| 07:18.38 | Guerin | kalila: gimp supports wacom quite well |
| 07:18.45 | Guerin | kalila: as does the kernel. |
| 07:19.05 | kalila | cool |
| 07:19.26 | Guerin | even though I can't draw worth a damn |
| 07:19.39 | Guerin | i figure even I can figure it out if I get to erase my fuckups |
| 07:20.24 | kalila | which one are you looking after? |
| 07:21.41 | niles | does the bot know of macromedia flash player 7 |
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| 07:23.15 | niles | i can watch flash animations on some sites, but not any a particular one. i use firefox |
| 07:23.32 | Guerin | niles: complain to macrobedia |
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| 07:23.54 | Guerin | kalila: dunno. The cheap one ;) |
| 07:24.24 | pstickne | pens, pencils and paper are fairly cheap.... |
| 07:24.46 | kalila | Guerin: I think some of the cheap ones don't have erasers |
| 07:24.57 | kalila | so only 1 style of input |
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| 07:28.04 | Guerin | kalila: hm, ok. I researched the technical side, but not the artistic side ;) |
| 07:28.17 | Guerin | pstickne: but scanners aren't |
| 07:28.25 | Guerin | well |
| 07:28.33 | Guerin | not strictly true either |
| 07:29.00 | niles | as gay as myspace is. can anyone watch the videos. |
| 07:29.04 | niles | perhalps http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=729854910 |
| 07:29.29 | Guerin | i think myspace uses flash 9 |
| 07:29.35 | Guerin | which isn't released yet for lunix |
| 07:29.43 | niles | oh ok |
| 07:29.46 | Guerin | hence: complain to macdobedia, the eejits who make it |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | tell them to FUCK THEMSELVES |
| 07:29.59 | Guerin | ahem. |
| 07:30.01 | stefan | I have a strange problem. my ftp-server that shares my internet connection via a gigabit switch has transfer problems. To do uploads to the ftp is fast, but downloads takes forever (ca 50kb/s, even to my machine that is in the same swich) |
| 07:30.26 | niles | Guerin: what do you have against macromedia ? |
| 07:30.34 | stefan | by download i mean downloading FROM the server. |
| 07:30.49 | peterrus | guerin could be right |
| 07:30.56 | peterrus | flash is very very bad boo boo |
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| 07:31.18 | nonix4 | Umm, will a "tee" into a pipe (mkfifo) make both outputs synchronized? (trying to md5sum and sha1sum at the same time) |
| 07:31.24 | sep | stefan, try a differetn protocol eg scp see if that's just as slow. then it might be network related and not ftp related |
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| 07:31.47 | Guerin | niles: you mean adobe, who now owns macromedia. What I have against them is broken pdfs, evil font subsystems, pagemaker, freehand, illustrator, photoshop, broken RAW functionality, dreamweaver, shockwave and flash |
| 07:31.48 | stefan | sep: http is as slow as ftp |
| 07:32.21 | Guerin | nonix4: try askin #bash, though it is a generic question, there are more gurus there |
| 07:32.28 | sep | stefan, try a 3rd machine to figure out if it's the server or the client |
| 07:33.11 | peterrus | how dare they to make adobe acrobat reader for linux |
| 07:33.26 | peterrus | and flash never works |
| 07:33.28 | stefan | sep: I've tried another machine on the same LAN and a external machine |
| 07:33.30 | niles | i like accroread better than the one tht come with linux |
| 07:33.35 | peterrus | "it just doesnt work" |
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| 07:33.53 | peterrus | niles: there is no such thing, everything comes with linux |
| 07:34.24 | peterrus | you mean the one that comes with gnome |
| 07:34.27 | niles | xpdf for instance |
| 07:34.31 | niles | oh yes |
| 07:34.47 | niles | im gonna switch to kde when i have time to fiddle with stuff and customize |
| 07:35.07 | stefan | niles, fluxbox workes for me.. :) |
| 07:35.10 | peterrus | yeah |
| 07:35.13 | peterrus | fluxbox rox |
| 07:35.20 | niles | i'll apt that |
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| 07:35.45 | peterrus | not too easy for beginners, but always try it, or maybe enlightenment or xfce |
| 07:35.52 | stefan | niles, do it, after some confing you'll never leave it again |
| 07:36.15 | nonix4 | Guerin: Well apparently that task got cpu-bounded so the tee overhead would be higher than just reading the data twice. (8 megs/sec w/ tee, 21 w/out) |
| 07:36.42 | niles | peterrus: whats so hard about a pdf reader ? |
| 07:37.20 | peterrus | niles: i meant fluxbox |
| 07:37.52 | stefan | sep, ifconfig gives this "RX packets:167506 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:3" |
| 07:39.25 | niles | oh it's a window manager |
| 07:39.43 | stefan | niles, yes.. hehe |
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| 07:41.18 | eeyore- | has anybody tried fixing DSDT table in his/her bios? i need to add PSS section to enable powernow! on a broken bios ... just wondering |
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| 07:41.25 | nonix4 | Umm, anyone got refund/replacements for serial-ata drives (seagate ones in particular) that have buggy firmware (that gets worked around by Linux, but slowly)? |
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| 07:42.43 | nonix4 | SATA at 10 megs/second sounds like a bad joke to my ears. |
| 07:43.00 | eeyore- | nonix4: havent' come across a 'bad' seagate sata drive yet |
| 07:43.05 | jabka | how can i detrmine in what charset cd was written ? |
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| 07:43.29 | eeyore- | nonix4: is it a drive/controller combination? |
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| 07:46.59 | nonix4 | eeyore-: "mod15write workaround" is what I can read from dmesg - ST3160023AS Rev 3.18 |
| 07:47.35 | deadcat | i am getting this running php script from command line: PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0, this is after the update recently |
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| 07:49.12 | Phated | hey, deadcat! :D |
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| 07:49.27 | deadcat | Phated: what up girl! (= havent been chatting here in a while |
| 07:49.35 | Phated | deadcat: Long time, long time :D |
| 07:50.30 | deadcat | Phated: anything fancy? tried compiz? or still openbox? |
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| 07:51.00 | Phated | deadcat: Naw, haven't got the time for anything - got a job :) |
| 07:51.09 | deadcat | Phated: nice nice nice!!! |
| 07:51.45 | Phated | deadcat: Don't get excited, I'm waitressing :) |
| 07:51.55 | deadcat | Phated: thats good tips (= |
| 07:52.01 | Guerin | Phated: waitressing? |
| 07:52.08 | Guerin | deadcat: asians don't tip |
| 07:52.12 | Phated | deadcat: Until you remember I'm doing it in a land where tips are not the norm ;) |
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| 07:52.22 | Phated | Guerin: Bah, on a good night I've taken hom 50 dollah. |
| 07:52.27 | Guerin | they get really confused when you try to give them extra money, too |
| 07:52.35 | Guerin | Phated: that ain't bad. |
| 07:52.35 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAH damn |
| 07:52.42 | Guerin | if you really ARE waitressing ;) |
| 07:52.52 | Guerin | if not, it's pretty cheap. |
| 07:53.03 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, fuckoffanddie. My rates for THAT range in the hundreds. |
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| 07:53.13 | Guerin | bargain! |
| 07:53.35 | Guerin | Phated: where? hotel, restaurant,, bar, gay nightclub, other? |
| 07:53.42 | Phated | Guerin: Bar in a hotel. |
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| 07:53.53 | Guerin | nice |
| 07:54.12 | |pepo| | hi friends |
| 07:54.12 | Phated | Not -the hotel bar-, we're just on the premises and abuse their kitchen for food orders ;) |
| 07:54.24 | |pepo| | I am trying to make a multicast LAN using debian-box like routers, where do I can look up for help? |
| 07:55.44 | Guerin | !lartc |
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| 07:55.54 | eeyore- | Phated: which "land" might this be? |
| 07:56.13 | Guerin | |pepo|: lartc.org |
| 07:56.37 | Phated | eeyore-: .sg. |
| 07:57.01 | Guerin | Phated: when do you start your indentured servitude? |
| 07:57.07 | Phated | Guerin: 2008. |
| 07:57.13 | Phated | Guerin: http://www.barnoneasia.com/ # if you're curious. |
| 07:57.24 | Phated | Guerin: I'm at BN, not LR. |
| 07:57.55 | Guerin | Housepours and Beers at $10 # WTF |
| 07:58.02 | Guerin | and that's the special price? |
| 07:58.11 | Phated | I know, I love working at an expensive place where I get a discount after work ^.^ |
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| 07:58.30 | Guerin | that was the thing I noticed about asia |
| 07:58.42 | Phated | Drinks are FUCKING EXPENSIVE - yes. |
| 07:58.43 | Guerin | the price of drinks varied ENORMOUSLY between venues |
| 07:58.54 | Guerin | in NZ, it migtht vary by a dollar of maybe $1.50 |
| 07:58.54 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, if you can find the cheap places, they're awesome. |
| 07:59.08 | Guerin | in korea, japan, china, singapore, it can vary by $5 per drink |
| 07:59.28 | Guerin | some places in thailand, too, not so much in nam/cambodia/lao |
| 07:59.37 | eeyore- | Guerin: of course :-) and it's also customary for regulars to bring their own drinks, pay a house price to 'open' the bottle, and keep whatever is left in the bar for next time |
| 07:59.50 | Guerin | eeyore-: i recall |
| 08:01.03 | Phated | Hey, we don't do "BYOBottle" at here, we sell the damned bottles for an enormous markup ^.^ |
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| 08:01.20 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:01.23 | Guerin | got that all over the place too |
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| 08:01.23 | |pepo| | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.multicast.html is so small |
| 08:01.23 | Phated | Guerin: For comparison, at my reg'lar bar, food+martini+housepour = 34; at BN food+martini+housepour = 53 :) |
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| 08:01.24 | Guerin | bottl of JW black, worthless shite whisky as it is, US$125 |
| 08:01.24 | Guerin | it's a $25 bottle at best |
| 08:01.24 | eeyore- | i just love that particular restaurant in phuket ... built on the rocks, right at the edge of the ocean ... nothing like drinking beer, listening to the waves, and enjoying some freshly barbecued seafood :-) |
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| 08:01.51 | Phated | JW Black is SGD250 at BN. |
| 08:01.53 | Guerin | eeyore-: i traveled around southeast asia for feb->june this year |
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| 08:02.03 | Guerin | Phated: that's about $125 |
| 08:02.03 | Phated | eeyore-: And he didn't come visit me! |
| 08:02.16 | Phated | Guerin: Slightly more, but yeah, just about. |
| 08:02.22 | Guerin | Phated: we were going to, but I had a motorbike accident |
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| 08:02.28 | eeyore- | Guerin: how did you like the trip? |
| 08:02.36 | Guerin | best thing i ever did |
| 08:02.47 | Guerin | actually, 6 weeks of that was china |
| 08:03.15 | Phated | Guerin: *cry* |
| 08:03.32 | Phated | And I at least sat in the freezing cold and not-drank with you in NZ! |
| 08:03.41 | Guerin | for about 2 minutes |
| 08:03.49 | Phated | YOU WERE NEVER HERE AT ALL :P |
| 08:03.50 | Guerin | it was freezing cold though |
| 08:03.58 | Phated | And I had no coat, so neer. |
| 08:04.10 | eeyore- | so nobody has pointers regarding adding _PSS section to custom ACPI DSDT table? i tried googling but it looks like i have to do it the hard way and read the AMD kernel developers' guide :-) |
| 08:04.12 | Phated | Also a hot bloke waiting on the inside ^.^ |
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| 08:06.13 | qwertz | Hi, just upgraded from stable to testing. It switched my xserver from xfree86 to xorg but start of the xserver now fails cause it "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice" the device file is present. the same happens if I use psaux. So what could I do to test where the problem is and is there a way to start xserver without a mouse present (had commented out all mouse sections but hte xserver complains about missing core pointer) |
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| 08:06.58 | deadcat | i am getting this running php script from command line: PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0, this is after the update recently |
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| 08:08.17 | eeyore- | qwertz: look for the (EE) section in the X log file. i doubt it's because X couldn't open /dev/input/mice. it's more likely to be /dev/input/mouse<x> |
| 08:08.55 | plutonas_ | qwertz: nice nickname, but i prefer dvorak |
| 08:09.49 | plutonas_ | ;) |
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| 08:11.34 | qwertz | eeyore-, thanks found that module mousedev wasn't loaded no it's working |
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| 08:13.00 | tato | whats a minimalist, small iso sized, non-live distro? by minimalist, i mean includes Xorg, GCC, and basic utilities and not much else. |
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| 08:13.54 | eeyore- | qwertz: if you want to run X without mouse (why?) you might want to run X --allowmouseopenfail (i think it's also server option) |
| 08:14.11 | eeyore- | qwertz: there's supposedly a program to emulate mouse via keyboard ... forget what |
| 08:14.57 | wireddd_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.06 | eeyore- | tato: if you must use debian, you could set up a virtual machine (for experimentation) and build yourself a tiny environment based on debian binaries |
| 08:16.25 | qwertz | eeyore-, just wanted to see if the ati driver installer script did work - and most of the work I can do by keyboard |
| 08:16.38 | eeyore- | tato: i.e., have a full debian install where you install/update/upgrade packages normally, and a virtual machine where you only copy the essential binaries over, to test |
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| 08:18.25 | eeyore- | tato: you don't really need much ... basic device files, bash shell (or even busybox and symbolic links) to get started |
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| 08:19.09 | tato | hmmm any easy ways to get a virtual machine with minimal debian running then? |
| 08:19.22 | eeyore- | vmware |
| 08:19.34 | moshii | eeyore-: vmware is non-free |
| 08:19.39 | eeyore- | afterall, you're going to *need* Xorg binaries from debian |
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| 08:19.44 | eeyore- | moshii: vmware-player |
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| 08:20.04 | Guerin | eeyore-: free as in gnu? |
| 08:20.14 | moshii | eeyore-: doesn't that only play pre-existing os images? |
| 08:20.33 | moshii | tato: try bochs or qemu |
| 08:20.49 | wireddd_ | what about xen? |
| 08:20.53 | Phated | moshii: Yeah, but according to reports, you can create vmware-player-playable images with qemu :) |
| 08:20.57 | moshii | tato: don't expect amazing levels of performance |
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| 08:20.57 | eeyore- | here's the vmware-player recipe --- go download the player, build the qemu tool (you need the q disk image program), use the disk image creation program to build vmdx (vmware-format) disk image. use the vmware player to boot some livecd so you can copy files over (initial bootstrap) |
| 08:21.04 | eeyore- | moshii: no |
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| 08:21.17 | eeyore- | moshii: there's no real logic behind vmware's release of 'player' |
| 08:21.22 | moshii | wireddd_: xen is slightly different |
| 08:21.35 | eeyore- | moshii: after all, this player will pretty much canibalize their vmware market |
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| 08:21.58 | moshii | eeyore-: so, the player is basically crippled and still isn't "free" |
| 08:22.06 | moshii | eeyore-: or in debian for that matter |
| 08:22.11 | eeyore- | moshii: the vmware player has "limitations" where it can't (a) create disk images (so what?) and (b) won't do vmhgfs to share files with host (ok, this is more of a toughie) |
| 08:22.41 | eeyore- | oh get off the 'non free' high horse ... |
| 08:22.59 | wireddd_ | hah |
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| 08:23.08 | moshii | eeyore-: but why suggest vmnware when bochs would be fine for this appliction? |
| 08:23.17 | eeyore- | because bochs is shit slow? |
| 08:23.18 | moshii | eeyore-: *application |
| 08:23.31 | moshii | eeyore-: but he only wants to run a small system |
| 08:24.15 | tato | i don't want to run a small system, i want a minimal installation |
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| 08:24.19 | tato | not same thing |
| 08:24.45 | moshii | tato: have you tried DSL |
| 08:25.04 | moshii | tato: or just installing the Debian base and working from there |
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| 08:25.24 | eeyore- | my interpretation of "minimal" is "free of crufts and fluffs" (which implies "free of distro-specific utilities, perl, etc.") |
| 08:26.05 | eeyore- | that's why "device + busybox + wanted binaries", nothing more, nothing less |
| 08:26.06 | moshii | eeyore-: but if he wants to run x11 he'll need most of the crap anyhoo |
| 08:26.29 | moshii | eeyore-: have you ever built a busybox system with x? |
| 08:26.36 | eeyore- | moshii: sure, myth frontend |
| 08:26.40 | moshii | eeyore-: or a busybox system for that matter |
| 08:26.47 | eeyore- | moshii: sure, pxeboot actually |
| 08:27.12 | eeyore- | diskless, boots over pxe, runs mythfrontend on epia board |
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| 08:28.27 | moshii | eeyore-: so you know how much pain it is to build that sort of thing |
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| 08:28.38 | eeyore- | moshii: yeah, sure is :-) |
| 08:28.43 | moshii | eeyore-: it's not something you can do in your lunch break |
| 08:28.45 | eeyore- | lots of reboots, and lots of hair pulling |
| 08:29.00 | eeyore- | mostly, why the f... doesn't my /linuxrc work?!?!?!?! |
| 08:30.26 | moshii | and finding out that the busybox version of xyz does about 1% of the real version and does it totally differently :( |
| 08:31.32 | eeyore- | yeah well, i couldn't ever get busybox telnet working ... heh |
| 08:31.47 | eeyore- | (telnetd) |
| 08:32.05 | eeyore- | but if you did it, it'll be minimal alright :-) |
| 08:32.09 | moshii | tato: I managed to get debian + x + kde on a 256meg usb pendrive |
| 08:32.37 | moshii | tato: with encryption and a bootstrap from the fat fs of the drive |
| 08:33.08 | tato | ... thats a neat trick |
| 08:33.19 | moshii | it took about 2 months to get right though |
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| 08:37.52 | telexicon | ok so i compiled the kernel with device mapper support but when i ran initrd its like... this kernel doesnt support lvm |
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| 08:39.42 | badcfe | i have a realtime app to run, and have heard about this 100hz or hres feature of the kernel. how do i enable this? |
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| 08:42.25 | kkrauss | what does GNU stand for? |
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| 08:42.42 | badcfe | kkrauss: it stands for gnu is not unix |
| 08:42.50 | badcfe | kkrauss: it stands for free as in free spech |
| 08:43.14 | badcfe | kkrauss: i have a realtime app to run, and have heard about this 100hz or hres feature of the kernel. how do i enable this? |
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| 08:43.31 | badcfe | kkrauss: s/spech/speech/ |
| 08:43.40 | kkrauss | ok then |
| 08:43.47 | kkrauss | so its not an acronym lol |
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| 08:43.57 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 08:44.02 | mazzanet | is the [globals] context deprecated too? |
| 08:44.16 | badcfe | kkrauss: recursive acronyme yes. quite popular at the epoch (1970) |
| 08:44.30 | kkrauss | epoch? |
| 08:44.39 | kkrauss | making me feel dumb here :) |
| 08:44.42 | badcfe | mazzanet: aint that for the OpenPBX group? |
| 08:44.43 | raf256 | why debian keeps farting when working in console? is this intentionall to irritate and annoy new users? |
| 08:44.52 | mazzanet | er |
| 08:44.53 | nonix4 | badcfe: Umm, wasn't HZ 100 by default? And 1000/1024 the less common values? |
| 08:44.57 | mazzanet | wrong channel :P |
| 08:44.57 | badcfe | kkrauss: joke. the unix epoch starts at 1970, ok |
| 08:44.59 | tarzeau | anyone else runs debian on his mac mini (intel)? |
| 08:45.12 | kkrauss | right |
| 08:45.13 | kkrauss | anyway |
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| 08:45.16 | kkrauss | anyone use Azureus? |
| 08:45.18 | raf256 | anyone know why debian farts in console? |
| 08:45.27 | raf256 | because if not then I will send a bug report |
| 08:45.31 | badcfe | nonix4: how do i find out what my kernel does it with those timers..? |
| 08:45.34 | cydork | raf256: huh? |
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| 08:45.48 | cydork | tarzeau: you got mac mini? :P |
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| 08:45.58 | raf256 | cydork: newly installed debians always constantly fart while user works in console, which irritates and piss off 95% of new users |
| 08:46.07 | raf256 | they use PC speaker for that |
| 08:46.13 | cydork | !bell |
| 08:46.14 | dpkg | i heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 08:46.20 | raf256 | cydork: yes I know |
| 08:46.36 | raf256 | cydork: what I don't know is, why some @#$%^&* genius make that farting the default |
| 08:46.36 | tarzeau | cydork: yep, at work |
| 08:46.45 | raf256 | to piss off new users? |
| 08:46.47 | nonix4 | tarzeau: planning to, either mac mini or one of the laptops... possibly w/ one of the VM thingies too. |
| 08:46.50 | raf256 | to make them go back to windows? |
| 08:47.00 | raf256 | to force them to cut off pc speaker cords inside box? |
| 08:47.12 | raf256 | my mind boggles |
| 08:47.12 | cydork | raf256: to tell the monkeys to stop typing |
| 08:47.13 | telexicon | ok so i compiled the kernel with device mapper support but when i ran initrd its like... this kernel doesnt support lvm |
| 08:47.17 | badcfe | cydork: my farts are not that clear and metallic |
| 08:47.29 | raf256 | cydork: the only effect is that users are totally pissed off |
| 08:47.34 | raf256 | every single one user I know |
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| 08:47.47 | cydork | raf256: tell them to get a life :) |
| 08:47.52 | raf256 | beep BEEEEP *BEEEEP* OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WINDOWS! beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep QUICK! |
| 08:47.56 | badcfe | nonix4: how can i find out if my current kernel does 100 hz |
| 08:48.13 | cydork | tarzeau: at work? why? why? why? |
| 08:48.22 | raf256 | cydork: when all users are irritate by "feautre" then it is clearly a bug |
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| 08:48.51 | badcfe | raf256: those people usually doesnt open a console |
| 08:48.59 | sep | raf256, nothing prevents a sane admin from complying with his users requests and turn off the bell globaly |
| 08:48.59 | tarzeau | cydork: because we manage them? |
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| 08:49.11 | tarzeau | cydork: we manage debian linux workstations, mac os x boxen and windows boxen: |
| 08:49.18 | raf256 | badcfe: so the goal is to piss of newbies that try to learn basics of console? |
| 08:49.20 | jbrouhard | I'm wondering if anyone here has had problems with netkit-inetd or openbsd-inetd |
| 08:49.27 | tarzeau | cydork: we also run condor: http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/cgi-bin/condor.cgi |
| 08:49.30 | jbrouhard | as I've been fighting with *BOTH* packages on my debian sarge system all day. |
| 08:49.32 | raf256 | sep: byt newbies can't do that |
| 08:49.33 | tarzeau | cydork: http://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats |
| 08:49.40 | badcfe | nonix4: please? do you know how i find out if a certain kernel actually has this 100 hz hres thing enabled????? |
| 08:50.12 | nonix4 | badcfe: I think you're trying to "solve" the wrong problem ;-) And 100hz ain't high res ;) |
| 08:50.38 | badcfe | nonix4: what should i enable for better realtime behaviour? |
| 08:50.39 | cydork | tarzeau: na this is better http://gridtutorial11.ba.infn.it/lrf :P |
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| 08:50.56 | badcfe | nonix4: is it "hres" then? recompile kernel? |
| 08:51.31 | badcfe | anyone knows how to enable hres feature in kernel, on a debian? |
| 08:51.49 | tarzeau | cydork: you don't have temperatures |
| 08:51.51 | nonix4 | badcfe: fgrep HZ /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 08:51.59 | cydork | tarzeau: i can add it. :P |
| 08:52.05 | tarzeau | cydork: do it! |
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| 08:52.26 | HuK0B | Hello.One of my mail users have many mails in /var/spool/mail and he can't login in webmail.How I can delete some old mails from his mail box? |
| 08:52.27 | cydork | tarzeau: i am a lazy bastard :P |
| 08:52.29 | HuK0B | what is the easyest way to do that? |
| 08:52.46 | nonix4 | badcfe: 1st thing is that you should rtfm a bit about realtime stuff :-) |
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| 08:53.15 | chius | yeeeeeeeep, hello good morning... I have a question, I want to use a firewire pci card in an small computer with debian to transfer the dv tapes of a digital camera. Does someone her have an idea if it is possible, the configuration of such card in debian and so on. The software I want to use to transfer the data is a command line program (and maybe the requirements would not be so high) |
| 08:53.24 | raf256 | ~/.inputrc is part of which package? so I can report this bug |
| 08:53.32 | apt | okay, raf256 |
| 08:54.27 | nonix4 | badcfe: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/hrtimers.txt in particular |
| 08:55.05 | raf256 | language-env ? |
| 08:55.13 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 08:55.14 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a user not using Debian |
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| 08:55.49 | raf256 | do anyone here know a newbie user that is NOT pissed off by that horrible beeping wih 1990's feeling? |
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| 08:57.16 | sep | raf256, it's made by the readline-common postinst script. and why it's default on is probably becosue that's the upstream default. |
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| 08:57.35 | opqdonut | raf256: i never compile pc speaker support into my kernel ^^ |
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| 08:58.13 | raf256 | sep: the upstream have totall disregard for newuser. That "feauture" makes 80% users irrittated. The other 10% are totally pissed off and want to #$%^& the guy who invented it |
| 08:58.13 | sep | raf256, if bt /.inputrc you mean /etc/inputrc since i dont have any .inputrc in my homedir |
| 08:59.10 | sep | raf256, i have not heard anyone beeing anoyed at it before. but i only have about 2500 users so perhaps those are the remaining 10% that dont get their pants in a knot |
| 08:59.15 | raf256 | so the package is readline-common ? |
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| 08:59.24 | derek[] | Hi |
| 08:59.35 | raf256 | sep: they like when computer keeps beeing at them? |
| 08:59.39 | raf256 | beeping |
| 08:59.44 | derek[] | What's the package containing the basic truetype fonts? |
| 08:59.55 | sep | raf256, i guess they dont mistype all the time ? |
| 08:59.58 | Sypher | hum guys, quick way to know what program is listening on a definited port? |
| 09:00.00 | raf256 | sep: mistype? |
| 09:00.02 | badcfe | i heard i could recompile kernel to get better realtime behaviour. something called "HRES" or "100hz" option for the kernel. how do i accomplish this on a debian (etch) ????? |
| 09:00.11 | chius | shall I repeat thequiestion? Installation of a PCI carf firewire in a pc with debian |
| 09:00.14 | sep | when you tabcompleate with to few uniqes |
| 09:00.18 | chius | card sorry |
| 09:00.30 | raf256 | sep: writting /home/foo[TAB] when there are foo1 and foo2 is totally valid, I don't need fart to inform me about that |
| 09:00.31 | cydork | Sypher: man netstat |
| 09:00.32 | badcfe | sorry. i didnt see the answer. 8-( |
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| 09:00.57 | sep | raf256, well i have just not heard any complains. |
| 09:01.09 | chius | it is not so powerful 256 RAM 333MHZ and I want to use a firewire card to transfer dv tapes into my computer |
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| 09:01.21 | chius | only using a comand line program |
| 09:01.26 | raf256 | sep: perhaps they are less irritable, but I am shure they don't like it |
| 09:01.35 | enouf | derek[]: apt-cache search -n truetype? |
| 09:01.40 | sep | yes the file is /usr/share/readline/inputrc in readline-common |
| 09:01.42 | derek[] | k |
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| 09:01.58 | raf256 | sep: but isn't that retarded? a typical classroom in C++ on linux looks like: beep BEEEP beep BEEEEEP - a beep each 3-4 seconds during entire lesson. I think that is retarded |
| 09:02.05 | sep | raf256, IF you emant /etc/inputrc by your ~/.inputrc that is |
| 09:02.17 | RvGaTe | What do i need to do to make a linux server a member server of a windows 2003 domain? |
| 09:02.33 | Phated | raf256: So turn off the beeps. |
| 09:02.40 | sep | readline postinst coies that file to /etc on install |
| 09:02.41 | enouf | derek[]: apt-cache search font | grep ttf |
| 09:02.46 | derek[] | ok |
| 09:02.46 | raf256 | Phated: 90% newbies can not do that |
| 09:02.53 | raf256 | Phated: why piss them off? |
| 09:02.55 | Phated | raf256: So... why can't you teach them? |
| 09:02.59 | Phated | Why can't they google? |
| 09:03.03 | raf256 | Phated: every use around the world? |
| 09:03.05 | Phated | Why can't they -ask-? |
| 09:03.07 | cydork | Phated: do you think he can teach? :P |
| 09:03.13 | raf256 | Phated: because they dont have internet and are alone? |
| 09:03.18 | raf256 | cydork: I am teaching |
| 09:03.24 | litage | mantis' docs say that setting $g_validate_email to OFF "disables email checking". what sort of email checking are they talking about, and when does this checking occur? |
| 09:03.27 | Phated | There are BOOKS for this kind of thing. |
| 09:03.42 | sep | raf256, it's a pointless argument. you know what pachage to file a bug against now so just go do that. whats retarded or not is not on topic realy |
| 09:03.47 | raf256 | Phated: do we want debian to be frustrating for user that didnt buy a book? |
| 09:03.47 | enouf | derek[]: sorry ..no friggin clue |
| 09:03.53 | Phated | I managed to turn off my beep on my own. I don't think I'm special in that. |
| 09:04.08 | raf256 | Phated: you are, most newbies fail in that |
| 09:04.08 | derek[] | enofnp |
| 09:04.12 | derek[] | enouf, np |
| 09:04.34 | enouf | derek[]: it's in there somewhere :-) .. but you can drop the | grep for a more broader search |
| 09:04.34 | raf256 | man shut the fuck up do not tell how to do it, nor does man beep man fart man silence or nothing that a bit more bright *newbie* might think of |
| 09:04.48 | raf256 | *advanced* user can always turn it back ON if he likes to be annoyed |
| 09:04.52 | enouf | !farrtsmite raf256 |
| 09:04.53 | Phated | raf256: Bullshit. I'm neither particularly intelligent nor am I a genius. I came to Linux from a Windows background (as do they most). I googled. |
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| 09:04.58 | raf256 | therefore I am filling a bug stating it should be OFF by default |
| 09:05.00 | derek[] | enouf, thanks |
| 09:05.04 | robin_sz | question: when ssh'd into a remote debian box, and editing in vi, I press "page [up|dn]" and it goes up or down 1 page ... locally in vi, "page [up|dn]" does nothing. clues? |
| 09:05.07 | enouf | derek[]: no prob |
| 09:05.10 | raf256 | Phated: stil most users fail in that |
| 09:05.31 | raf256 | Phated: also, why add an additional thing I must configure after installing debina to make it usable? |
| 09:05.35 | Phated | raf256: Then you're arguing that most users are stupid or something. Take it elsewhere, I'd rather be helping users if I'm typing in here. |
| 09:05.42 | raf256 | it should be either OFF, or at least installer should ask about it |
| 09:06.00 | Phated | Go FILE a goddamn BUG and STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT HERE. |
| 09:06.23 | raf256 | Phated: no, read carefully. Stupid users can't turn it OFF and are irritated; Smart users can turn it ON if needed, therefore guess which should be default to make both users happy |
| 09:06.59 | wireddd_ | that beep should be turned off by default |
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| 09:07.57 | raf256 | on a related topic, |
| 09:08.04 | Phated | raf256: I don't CARE which is the default - either you file a bug, WITH A FIX TO MAKE IT SO, or FUCK OFF and shut up - this is NOT on-topic in here. Go talk to the fucking devs. Go post to the mailing lists. YOU, in any case, should be "smart", since you're teaching - GO a) DO IT or b) TELL SOMEONE ELSE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, NOT REITERATE WHAT IS a) KNOWN and b) OFFTOPIC HERE. |
| 09:08.17 | raf256 | why is not syntax highlight ON by default in vim? |
| 09:08.26 | robin_sz | raf256, come back when you have valid data that 95% of users hate it .. I think you are just making that figure up. |
| 09:08.26 | Phated | Again, file a bug. |
| 09:08.33 | robin_sz | I like it, so there. |
| 09:09.01 | Phated | The point is not whether he has data that users like it. The point is that complaining about it on #debian does NOT get it fixed. |
| 09:09.14 | robin_sz | true |
| 09:09.30 | Phated | s/like/like or dislike/ |
| 09:09.47 | robin_sz | ps I liked your flame |
| 09:10.30 | wireddd_ | maybe someone should start a #debian-complaints |
| 09:11.18 | robin_sz | thats why we have BTS |
| 09:11.19 | Phated | wireddd_: If no DDs are present in there, it leads to #debian-bitch-and-get-nothing-changed. |
| 09:11.23 | sep | wireddd, you woulenteer to sit and listen to peaople bitch ? |
| 09:11.50 | wireddd_ | yeah i'll handle complaints |
| 09:11.57 | Phated | Again, this is a symptom of IRC - most DDs are actively looking at mailing lists or bug reports, NOT IRC to see what users are complaining about. |
| 09:12.12 | Phated | wireddd_: Will you fix the issues they bring up? If no, then no, you cannot claim to "handle complaints". |
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| 09:13.21 | wireddd_ | Phated, sure why not |
| 09:13.28 | robin_sz | I employ a guy called Gavin yo handle customer complaints in my company. the half-shaved, half mohican hair style tend to make people think twice before ranting ... maybe I can loan him out ?? |
| 09:13.31 | cydork | wireddd_: you can fix issues? |
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| 09:13.48 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 09:13.58 | lkthomas | how could I ask crontab to send me an email after the job is finished ? |
| 09:14.13 | Phated | wireddd_: And how will you fix issues that they complain about? You can't claim to maintain every Debian package. |
| 09:14.34 | robin_sz | lkthomas, crontab should deliver a mail containing the output of the job anyway |
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| 09:14.39 | sep | lkthomas, the output of the job will be mailed |
| 09:14.42 | wireddd_ | i'll just setup a bot that details how-to submit bug reports/use mailing lists |
| 09:14.59 | lkthomas | sep: possible to ask it to send somewhere else too ? |
| 09:15.05 | sep | lkthomas, yes |
| 09:15.09 | robin_sz | lkthomas, usually people come are asking how not to get a mail |
| 09:15.21 | Phated | Why, again, can't people just READ or say to #debian "How can I submit a bug report?" |
| 09:15.25 | testi | I have sound problems with some or all sdl-games on etch. sometimes, music and effects sound scratchy and are played slower for 3-4 seconds. soundcard is an audigy 2 zs, the backend is the default. i had that problem also with a previous installation of debian sid (>1 month ago). is that a known problem? |
| 09:15.29 | robin_sz | lkthomas, yes, you can set the recipient in the crontab file |
| 09:15.42 | lkthomas | robin_sz: mind to explain how ? |
| 09:15.51 | wireddd_ | Phated, because users are human |
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| 09:16.01 | radical_ | wireddd_: they are? |
| 09:16.25 | Phated | wireddd_: Oh, by the way, the bot, while a lovely idea, will lead to a constant stream of "waaah the IRC channel isn't actually helping me with my complaint but it's CALLED #debian-complaint!" |
| 09:16.25 | RvGaTe | What do i need to do to make a linux server a member server of a windows 2003 domain? |
| 09:16.25 | sep | the point of a #complain channel is not to fix anything, just to let peaple went steam. if someone wanted anything fixed they'd either fix it, or write a bug report with a patch |
| 09:16.32 | cydork | sep: hehe :) |
| 09:16.37 | Phated | sep: No, his idea is that people should complain, and that it should LEAD to something being done. |
| 09:16.45 | sep | this is after alla compunity distro, so complaining to the comunity is like pissing in the ocean |
| 09:16.50 | raf256 | split |
| 09:17.28 | robin_sz | lkthomas, set the recipient in the MAILTO variable in your crontab |
| 09:17.28 | sep | wont do much but feels good |
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| 09:17.34 | raf256 | is there any good reason to make vim's syntax highlight OFF by default? |
| 09:17.44 | Phated | And if people are told - BY A BOT, no less - that they should submit a bug report or write a patch, or write to the mailing list, that this will SOMEHOW make them do it, EVEN THOUGH being told to do so, by humans, hasn't EVER done it. |
| 09:17.45 | sep | the only complains that work is in the BTS preferably with a good patch |
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| 09:17.53 | Phated | raf256: Upstream default. Go bitch at upstream. |
| 09:17.55 | robin_sz | lkthomas, see man 5 crontab for details |
| 09:17.57 | sep | raf256, it's the upstream default ? |
| 09:17.57 | lkthomas | robin_sz: nono, only the specific job only |
| 09:18.05 | raf256 | Phated: I already submited it |
| 09:18.05 | robin_sz | yes, I know |
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| 09:18.14 | Phated | raf256: So STOP bitching about it in here. |
| 09:18.24 | raf256 | Phated: shush |
| 09:18.36 | telexicon | ok i just spent 3 hours compiling a kernel, and it says it doesnt support LVM except i know for sure that I selected device mapper support in the configuration |
| 09:18.41 | Phated | raf256: No, -you- shush. |
| 09:18.46 | jbrouhard | never mind my earlier question |
| 09:18.48 | jbrouhard | I found out why |
| 09:18.50 | jbrouhard | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396728 |
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| 09:19.14 | raf256 | sep: yes, but I wonder if debian should change it, any arguments for keeping it OFF that you know of? |
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| 09:19.36 | sep | raf256, i dont know how the other 10 arches handles it im not the rigth person to ask |
| 09:19.49 | telexicon | is there a reason it wouldnt recognize the lvm2 support? |
| 09:20.12 | wireddd_ | raf256, I would like to know what specific purpose it serves |
| 09:20.18 | raf256 | sep: indeed. Any thought if it shuld be OFF or ON in debian then? |
| 09:20.22 | Phated | raf256: Ask on the vim mailing list why it's upstream default. Ask the dd mailing list why they don't change it. |
| 09:20.30 | sep | raf256, the one good reason i know of is that it will increase maintainers work |
| 09:20.34 | robin_sz | lkthomas, try setting the variable just before the job, set the variable to something else after the job? if that doesnt work you'll either have to put it in cron.daily with its own little file with that var set, orsomething else, probably involving Perl |
| 09:20.43 | Phated | #debian, being a user channel, is not likely to be privy to decisions made regards packaging. |
| 09:20.54 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 09:20.57 | sep | and adding work to voulenteers is not good since it will make them rethink their spare time priorities |
| 09:21.02 | raf256 | wireddd_: can you again? |
| 09:21.02 | raf256 | wireddd_: can you ask again? |
| 09:21.26 | raf256 | sep: it will? it is simpe /etc/.vimrc :syntax on |
| 09:21.36 | eggleston | !rapidshare |
| 09:21.45 | sep | raf256, that have to be changed ina policy compliant way |
| 09:22.01 | sep | and preferably also dynamicaly dependin on how upstream changes it's own file |
| 09:22.02 | Phated | It also requires inclusion of the .vim files for the correct hilighting to be enabled. |
| 09:22.26 | Phated | Some users also don't want hilighting. Some users also want OTHER syntax files. Etc. |
| 09:23.00 | sep | raf256, and when you maintain n number of packages doing such things for each of them will significantly add to your non paying voulenteer workburden |
| 09:23.23 | robin_sz | lkthomas, personally, I prefer to write stuff that is self emailing rater than relying in on cron, then you have more control, like adding results as attachments, sending multipl copies etc etc etc ... Perl has some very simple solutions for that |
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| 09:24.36 | Phated | And then you have to decide - include the .vim file for C code? Perl code? Python code? HTML? Lisp? Elisp? Corba? Haskell? Asm? C++? Java? CSS? XML? - and then someone will say "But you should have THIS too!" and then you a) need to defend why it's NOT included, if you have ASM/Java/Perl/C/Haskell; b) include THAT one, creating MORE work for yourself. |
| 09:25.58 | raf256 | sep: hmm but I simple do append :syntax on to ~/.vimrc (or probably /etc/vimrc) and it works... is it actually hard to make that thing to do itself? |
| 09:26.03 | sep | so keeping it to the upstream default is the least work. and the most compatible. so if you want to fix the issue you should ask the upstream to change the default. it's they that set the default in the first place. |
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| 09:26.38 | raf256 | or perhaps.. I might write simple program that would setup such common settings? call it common-settings or something |
| 09:26.39 | Phated | raf256: It supports a -number- of default syntactical highlighting schemes, but not all of them. |
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| 09:26.46 | Kassah2 | how do I block a package from being considered for install by apt-get? |
| 09:26.54 | raf256 | !pinning |
| 09:26.54 | dpkg | methinks apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 09:27.30 | Sypher | cydork, found it, thanks. |
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| 09:28.38 | sep | raf256, i think a faq entry is easier. :) or ask upstream to change the default |
| 09:28.38 | Phated | raf256: Good luck trying to figure out every combination of setting possible - or do you plan to simply take a user through EVERY AVAILABLE SETTING - which, mind, includes you finding out said settings for EVERY APPLICATION (not even package, just application, since libraries don't need "settings" as such) and writing them in? |
| 09:28.55 | sep | Phated, on all 11 architectures :) |
| 09:29.04 | Phated | sep: Yeah, thanks :D |
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| 09:30.16 | sep | raf256, write a !BOFH webpage ? describing all your favorite configs to please your users ? |
| 09:30.36 | cydork | sep: or patches :) |
| 09:30.57 | Phated | Aww, how adorable, let's replicate the work already available in the documentation on the vim, debian, tldp, and froogle sites :) |
| 09:31.14 | sep | Phated, well he have problem findinf those. |
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| 09:32.04 | Phated | sep: Oh, WAIT! But they CAN'T get to #d-complain, because apparently, the users who will have trouble have NO ACCESS TO THE INTERNET IN ANY WAY OR FORM, so how could they POSSIBLY find !bofhsite?! ZOMGNO! |
| 09:32.10 | Kassah2 | raf256: how do I find out the priority on an existing package? |
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| 09:33.56 | sep | :) |
| 09:34.05 | sep | pleaseing everyone is a huge task :P |
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| 09:34.31 | Kassah2 | sep: very much so =) |
| 09:34.42 | Phated | sep: s/huge/impossible/ - which is why DDs leave upstream settings at default :) |
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| 09:34.45 | Kassah2 | thanks to bots for the automated help =) |
| 09:35.15 | sep | Phated, talk to raf256 :) i agree compleatly |
| 09:35.31 | lkthomas | I would like to know why /proc/cpuinfo shows dual core CPU, but not on top ? isn't suppose top will shows CPU00 and CPU01 ? |
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| 09:37.43 | darkstego | hey all, anyone know how to find the version of a module that is installed? |
| 09:38.04 | enouf | lkthomas: dunno .. try htop yet? |
| 09:38.07 | cydork | lkthomas: press ? or h while running top |
| 09:38.41 | cydork | darkstego: modinfo? |
| 09:38.54 | darkstego | cydork, will try it, thanks |
| 09:39.25 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 09:39.26 | lkthomas | ok :) |
| 09:39.27 | lkthomas | found it |
| 09:39.31 | x_link | enouf: Hi man! |
| 09:39.43 | x_link | enouf: Have a couple of minutes to help me? |
| 09:40.27 | enouf | Kassah2: see man apt-cache , apt-get install aptitude-doc-en , and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 09:40.51 | enouf | x_link: everyone does :-P |
| 09:40.57 | x_link | I need help to format and mount my 80GB hdd. I just did a re-install. |
| 09:41.06 | x_link | Before my re-install I had my second hdd in /mnt |
| 09:41.13 | telexicon | why is it doing this? i have compiled device mapper support into my kernel why does it say that it doesnt support LVM? |
| 09:41.16 | x_link | /mnt/sedde |
| 09:41.32 | x_link | Could someone help me to format and mount it there again? I would really appreciat eit. |
| 09:41.36 | x_link | appreciate even. |
| 09:43.18 | telexicon | could any of you help? |
| 09:43.26 | cydork | telexicon: what about default debian kernel? |
| 09:43.33 | telexicon | ive been looking around all over, but most of the documentation refers to problems with the 2.4.x kernels |
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| 09:43.43 | telexicon | id like to have a 2.6.x kernel |
| 09:43.45 | badcfe | nonix4: ok i read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/hrtimers.txt |
| 09:43.49 | x_link | Just tell me if anybody would like to help, thanks! |
| 09:43.53 | telexicon | and the ones on aptitude dont support my processor |
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| 09:44.11 | badcfe | nonix4: im not a step more closer to being able to enable this on my kernel. |
| 09:44.11 | wireddd_ | x_link, do you need to format your second drivem or just mount it> |
| 09:44.23 | x_link | I would like to do both |
| 09:44.24 | cydork | telexicon: which processor? |
| 09:44.45 | telexicon | this has nothing to do with what im trying to do |
| 09:44.53 | x_link | wireddd_: The most important thing is that I want it to be in /mnt |
| 09:44.57 | bkhl | I have two etch systems, one on a desktop, one on a laptop. I have the usb-storage module loaded on both. On the desktop, if I plug my camera in, I get a /dev/sda and a /dev/sda1 device. On the laptop I just see /dev/sda. Why would that be? |
| 09:45.03 | x_link | When everything is done. |
| 09:45.14 | enouf | telexicon : see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/initscriptdebian.html ? |
| 09:45.19 | x_link | wireddd_: A guy helped me yesterday but then he just left. So maybe it's already mounted, I don't know. |
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| 09:45.27 | cydork | telexicon: i know, i am just interested which processor doesn't have a kernel in debian.. |
| 09:45.45 | jbrouhard | Anyone know anything about openbsd-inetd/netkit-inetd breakage in Sarge ? |
| 09:45.58 | telexicon | its an amd k6-II and for some reason if i install the newer kernel it just crashes and resets |
| 09:45.59 | wireddd_ | x_link, see if doing a "df -h" shows it |
| 09:46.12 | telexicon | no that isnt the issue |
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| 09:46.36 | x_link | wireddd_: It doesn't, just shows my first 40GB hdd. |
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| 09:46.48 | wireddd_ | x_link, then it definatly is not mounted |
| 09:46.51 | x_link | Okey. |
| 09:46.52 | telexicon | when i run mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-2-K6-II 2.6.18.2 ... it goes through and looks at my drives and then says, " Kernel does not support LVM" except i have support compiled in |
| 09:46.59 | enouf | x_link: the /mnt/point comes later .. don't worry about that at first |
| 09:47.05 | x_link | Okey. |
| 09:47.17 | exclude | heh. apt-get is so easy that I almost installed a full KDE on my server. I had a ssh session open on my desktop and hit sudo apt-get install amarok :) |
| 09:47.30 | badcfe | is hres timers enabled by default in 2.6.16.2 ? |
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| 09:48.47 | enouf | x_link: you can always manually mount after an install using something like this as root "mkdir /mnt/seppe" then "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /mnt/seppe" if the file sytem is ext3 |
| 09:49.40 | x_link | enouf: Okey. I will do that now, is all that in the right order ? |
| 09:49.52 | wireddd_ | yes |
| 09:49.57 | x_link | Okey |
| 09:50.00 | x_link | Then I will do it now. |
| 09:50.12 | enouf | x_link: then it just a matter of editing the existing /etc/fstab to reflect those options (this is where you need to man mount and find the mount options to use, such as ro, or rw, defaults, auto, etc etc ) |
| 09:50.25 | enouf | xlorder? .. yes :-) |
| 09:50.35 | enouf | x_link: tes |
| 09:50.39 | enouf | yes even |
| 09:50.41 | x_link | Should it not mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 ? |
| 09:50.46 | x_link | or just hdb ? |
| 09:50.59 | enouf | x_link: no .. you ned to mount it on a nmount point |
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| 09:51.05 | enouf | mount point* |
| 09:51.18 | x_link | okey. |
| 09:51.24 | x_link | brb then, I will try that now. |
| 09:51.31 | enouf | x_link: though YES .. you should specify the partition # hdb1,2,3, |
| 09:52.09 | x_link | enouf: I already had the /mnt/sedde |
| 09:52.18 | x_link | enouf: Ahh okey, so it should be hdb1 then |
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| 09:52.35 | enouf | x_link: make sure you chooose the correct partition number .. mount command mounts partitions and file systems, not entire disks (without some trickery) |
| 09:53.06 | radical_ | I've encountered an interesting error, after upgrading, my Aterm(xterm too) could no longer display any white letters, ncurses programs suffer the same problem (mc complains about "missing color white"). Eterm works fine. During the same upgrade, my self-defined fluxbox style stopped working, doing stuff i can only describe as: acting up. Are font in any way connected to colors? Is it possible that during upgrade one or more fonts got "lost"? ) |
| 09:53.21 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.31 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/sedde |
| 09:53.32 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# |
| 09:54.04 | x_link | Now df -h shows it =) |
| 09:54.09 | x_link | Wow, this was not that hard. |
| 09:54.12 | enouf | x_link: that looks right .. are you now on hda1{2,3,4,5, whatever} ? |
| 09:54.21 | enouf | x_link: \o/ |
| 09:54.31 | x_link | Now I just have to make it Read & Writable. |
| 09:54.38 | x_link | SO that I can create folder there. |
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| 09:54.57 | enouf | x_link: mount -oremoiunt,rw /mnt/seppe |
| 09:54.58 | wireddd_ | x_link, you need to add it to fstab so it works when you reboot |
| 09:55.19 | x_link | enouf: /seppe ? hehe /sedde |
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| 09:55.34 | enouf | x_link: as stated, you can add the ,rw into /etc/fstab so it gets mounted at boot rw |
| 09:55.56 | x_link | Okey. |
| 09:56.02 | enouf | x_link: spee, sedde .. spedded /... whatever :-p |
| 09:56.08 | x_link | mount -roremount,rw /mnt/sedde |
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| 09:56.11 | x_link | should I do that now ? |
| 09:56.13 | chemaja | RFC: store local dpkg/apt database in a highly-optimised, securely accessible form, privacy assured by trusted 3rd parties. would you use it? sync up to it on a bare metal system to "port" your system around as you see fit? |
| 09:56.17 | enouf | x_link: sure |
| 09:56.19 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 09:56.32 | SpaceFrog | Can someone please recommend an MP3 player that I can buy for my girlfriend, that has 100% Linux compatibility? |
| 09:56.46 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# mount -oremount,rw /mnt/sedde |
| 09:56.47 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# |
| 09:57.09 | x_link | But when I right click in /mnt/sedde I can't Create folders or anything. |
| 09:57.12 | chemaja | i announced that idea here out of respect for debian, btw...</browniePointGrab> |
| 09:57.32 | chemaja | is it worthy of thought? |
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| 09:57.52 | enouf | x_link: what does cat /etc/mtab say about your /mnt/sedde (/dev/hdb1) |
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| 09:58.00 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/249036 and both my hdds are hdb1 |
| 09:58.20 | enouf | x_link: AGAIN .. what does cat /etc/mtab say about your /mnt/sedde (/dev/hdb1) |
| 09:58.26 | x_link | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/sedde ext3 rw 0 0 |
| 09:58.30 | enouf | only one line x_link |
| 09:58.35 | enouf | ok |
| 09:58.39 | enouf | then it's rw |
| 09:58.44 | x_link | Okey. |
| 09:59.00 | x_link | I don't understand why I can't create folders or anything there. |
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| 09:59.19 | x_link | enouf: And both my hard drives are /hdb1, does that do anything ? |
| 09:59.20 | enouf | x_link: you probably don;t own them |
| 09:59.28 | x_link | enouf: Ahhaa. |
| 09:59.57 | x_link | I have written down all what you guys have said now, so next time I can do it on my own =) |
| 10:00.11 | enouf | x_link: different user ? .. permissions during installation? who knows .. what does 'whoami' say? |
| 10:00.13 | x_link | I just need to do so that I'm the owner of this hdd. |
| 10:00.44 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# whoami |
| 10:00.45 | x_link | root |
| 10:01.19 | wireddd_ | that doesn't make sense |
| 10:01.23 | enouf | x_link: ok .. did you install SELinux or something over there? .. |
| 10:01.37 | enouf | nods at wireddd_ |
| 10:01.38 | x_link | I don't know what SELinux is. |
| 10:01.47 | enouf | heh |
| 10:02.47 | enouf | x_link: are you tring to create New Dirs through a Broswer, File Manager GUI ? .. or through Console |
| 10:02.58 | x_link | Nope |
| 10:03.06 | enouf | nope what? |
| 10:03.07 | x_link | I open Home then I type /mnt/sedde |
| 10:03.19 | x_link | When I'm in that folder I right click, but there is no Create or anything. |
| 10:03.33 | enouf | x_link: /home on where ? |
| 10:03.34 | wireddd_ | kde |
| 10:03.37 | x_link | Yes |
| 10:03.40 | enouf | crap |
| 10:03.50 | enouf | x_link: use mkdir |
| 10:03.55 | x_link | I open the Home icon. |
| 10:04.06 | enouf | x_link: sto that! |
| 10:04.11 | enouf | stop even :-) |
| 10:04.13 | x_link | Yeah... But I still want to do that thing. |
| 10:04.25 | x_link | I still want to be able to do that thing. |
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| 10:04.33 | enouf | x_link: I want to party like it's 1999 :-p |
| 10:04.37 | wireddd_ | enouf, did you look at his pastbin |
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| 10:04.53 | enouf | wireddd_: no .. it was way too fast to be useful .. not current |
| 10:04.55 | gans20|malchik | hello there |
| 10:05.04 | wireddd_ | he had 2 /dev/hdb1 |
| 10:05.14 | wireddd_ | both mounted with different sizes |
| 10:05.14 | enouf | wireddd_: nice .. |
| 10:05.22 | enouf | wireddd_: lovely .. |
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| 10:06.33 | gans20|malchik | How can I tell debian that specified host name in the form of my.site.com have specific IP address so that it doesn't resolve this host name via DNS? |
| 10:06.43 | x_link | wireddd_: My first hard drive is a 40GB and my second is a 80GB. |
| 10:06.49 | blondie | gans20|malchik: put them in /etc/hosts |
| 10:06.57 | wireddd_ | but they shouldn't both be /dev/hdb1 |
| 10:07.38 | enouf | x_link: you're booted into hda now? which hdaX ? |
| 10:07.56 | x_link | I'm on my 40GB hdd now. |
| 10:08.05 | gans20|malchik | thanks blondie |
| 10:08.06 | enouf | I don;t care about GB |
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| 10:09.42 | qwertz | Hirvinen, after upgrading from stable to testing my usb devices are no longer working, usbcore module is loaded but no other usb module (had to load usbmouse by hand to get my mouse to work) any thoughts what goes wrong? |
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| 10:10.05 | qwertz | s/Hirvinen/Hi/ |
| 10:10.12 | x_link | enouf: Well, I don't know what to do now. |
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| 10:10.40 | enouf | x_link: AGAIN .. you're booted into hda now? which hdaX ? |
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| 10:10.57 | wireddd_ | enouf, he has /dev/hdb1 mounted as root and mounted as /mnt/sedde, and they show different sizes |
| 10:11.11 | x_link | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/249037 I'm on that first /dev/hdb1 |
| 10:11.16 | enouf | wireddd_: jump right in :-) |
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| 10:11.35 | wireddd_ | I don't know where to start |
| 10:11.42 | enouf | xsdg: I highly doubt thart |
| 10:11.49 | x_link | wireddd_: Do they not show different sizes cause it's two different hard drives ? |
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| 10:12.40 | enouf | x_link: I highly doubt that ,, sorry xsdg .. tab completion fart |
| 10:12.59 | wireddd_ | xlink, /dev/hda and /dev/hdb would normally be your first two hard drives |
| 10:13.36 | enouf | x_link: AGAIN .. you're booted into hda now? which partition on hda? |
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| 10:14.18 | cydork | qwertz: which kernel? |
| 10:14.38 | qwertz | cydork, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:14.41 | x_link | enouf: But I don't have any hda, so I can't be booted into that ? |
| 10:14.52 | x_link | I don't really understand, that's the problem. |
| 10:14.55 | x_link | Sorry guys... |
| 10:15.57 | x_link | ext3, if I'm thinking right. But that's the filesystem right ? That is not what you want to know I guess. |
| 10:16.18 | cydork | qwertz: upgrade the kernel.. |
| 10:16.31 | qwertz | cydork, will try it |
| 10:16.33 | enouf | qwertz: try modprobe scsi_mod |
| 10:18.26 | enouf | x_link: pastebin output of df -Tl |
| 10:18.48 | enouf | x_link: that's an 'L' |
| 10:18.58 | enouf | x_link: lowercase |
| 10:19.33 | x_link | ok |
| 10:20.14 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/249039 There you go enouf. |
| 10:20.49 | enouf | x_link: your last df -h is wrong .. erm .. you're tyrying to remount yourself through your /mnt point .. what the heck are you doing? |
| 10:21.09 | x_link | enouf: I'mnot doing anything ? |
| 10:21.16 | x_link | I have just done what yuo guys have told me. |
| 10:21.21 | enouf | x_link: so what are you trying to do? |
| 10:22.00 | wireddd_ | enouf, the sizes are different though, somehow the correct drive got mounted |
| 10:23.28 | x_link | I just want my 80GB hdd to my second hard drive, I want to have all my files on that disc. |
| 10:23.57 | nonix4 | badcfe: recompiling your own kernel is easy - and make-kpkg makes debs out of them rather easily too :-) |
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| 10:24.34 | wireddd_ | x_link, for starters you should "umount /mnt/sedde" |
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| 10:24.51 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:24.55 | x_link | I will do that now. |
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| 10:25.19 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# umount /mnt/sedde |
| 10:25.19 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# |
| 10:25.27 | wireddd_ | then try "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc1 /mnt/sedde" |
| 10:25.35 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:26.02 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# LANG=C mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc1 /mnt/sedde |
| 10:26.03 | x_link | mount: special device /dev/hdc1 does not exist |
| 10:26.03 | wireddd_ | did it complain? |
| 10:26.06 | x_link | Yes |
| 10:26.26 | x_link | wireddd_: Can I not just change the first drive to hda? |
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| 10:26.33 | x_link | Or maybe that's not possible. |
| 10:26.34 | enouf | takes a whiff.. and smells a bit of trollbait .. ugh .. that don;t smell so nice |
| 10:26.37 | wireddd_ | x_link you can |
| 10:26.40 | enouf | x_link: you said you just reinstalled .. meaning you installed onto the OTHER HDD--> "/dev/hdb" and you complained that you wanted to /mnt it .. you said your /mnt/seppppeedddeee was missing .. wtf? |
| 10:28.10 | x_link | I will explain |
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| 10:28.33 | enouf | [04:57:24] <x_link> http://pastebin.ca/249036 and both my hdds are hdb1 <<--- that is a very disturbing comment |
| 10:28.35 | x_link | Yesterday I had Debian installed on my 80GB hdd and I had my 40Gb hdd as second hard drive. |
| 10:29.01 | x_link | But then I wanted to change, so that debian was installed on my 40GB so I could use my 80GB as my second hdd for my files, cause that hard drive is bigger. |
| 10:29.11 | enouf | STOP with 80 and 40 .. use hda hdb hdc and hdd |
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| 10:29.25 | x_link | So I took out the drives, plugged in the 40Gb and installed Debian. And now I have plugged in the 80GB and I want to use it as my second drive for all my files. |
| 10:29.32 | enouf | STOP with 80 and 40 .. use hda hdb hdc and hdd |
| 10:29.35 | x_link | enouf: ok |
| 10:29.40 | x_link | But both says hdb1 |
| 10:29.49 | x_link | So how could I know which one it which. |
| 10:30.08 | sep | x_link, master on primary channel is hda, slave on primary channel is hdb |
| 10:30.18 | enouf | x_link: who's ""they"" |
| 10:30.20 | enouf | ? |
| 10:30.22 | sep | x_link, master on secondary channel is hdc, slave on secondary channel is hdd |
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| 10:30.44 | enouf | and what are they saying? |
| 10:31.41 | wireddd_ | are you physically swapping the drives while the computer is on? |
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| 10:32.15 | x_link | wireddd_: No, I turn it off. |
| 10:32.16 | jindal | is ^^ possible? |
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| 10:32.28 | x_link | Ahh. now I undertand enouf |
| 10:32.44 | x_link | Then 40GB = Master and 80GB = slave. |
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| 10:32.48 | x_link | I will use master slave now. |
| 10:32.51 | x_link | Insted of those numbers =) |
| 10:32.56 | sep | x_link, no use hda or hdb |
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| 10:33.08 | sep | since you also have master slave on the secondary channel |
| 10:33.09 | yahalom | hey :) i put the dns 208.69.222.222 in my resolv.conf yet it still doesnt use it, any ideas? |
| 10:33.25 | jindal | yahalom, try to 'dig' |
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| 10:33.32 | x_link | sep: But when I do df -h both my hdds are hdb1 |
| 10:33.38 | yahalom | jindal, dig? |
| 10:33.42 | x_link | So I don't know which one is hda and hdb |
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| 10:33.51 | x_link | Cause none of them say hda |
| 10:34.04 | jindal | yahalom, dig is a command :) for dns troubleshooting |
| 10:34.09 | enouf | Each hard disk is represented by a separate device file. There can (usually) be only two or four IDE hard disks. These are known as /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, and /dev/hdd, respectively. |
| 10:34.12 | wireddd_ | could his fstab have root mounted as hdb1 and still work? |
| 10:34.37 | yahalom | jindal, so i query it and i get a respone |
| 10:34.38 | sep | x_link, try cat /proc/ide/hda/model |
| 10:34.40 | yahalom | response |
| 10:34.43 | x_link | sep: Okey. |
| 10:34.48 | sep | x_link, try cat /proc/ide/hdb/model |
| 10:34.50 | yahalom | jindal, that should me that im using it? |
| 10:34.51 | sep | both |
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| 10:35.01 | limcore | hi, I have a strange problem on debian testing |
| 10:35.05 | jindal | yahalom, yup in a more verbose manner.... didnt get ya abv |
| 10:35.07 | limcore | after installation keyboard is messed up |
| 10:35.13 | x_link | debian:/home/sedde# cat /proc/ide/hda/model |
| 10:35.14 | x_link | MAXTOR 6L040J2 |
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| 10:35.16 | limcore | ~ gives some stange character in console, same for # |
| 10:35.28 | limcore | how can I fix that? I have normal, regular keyboard |
| 10:35.29 | x_link | sep: Remember thatI just unmounted my other hdd. So I just have this mounted now. |
| 10:35.54 | yahalom | jindal, ok so i did digg google.com and i see it query my dns 208.69.222.222 yet, this is opendns and if i go to their test page i get "oops ur not using it" |
| 10:36.15 | x_link | limcore: Maybe you choosed the wrong keyboard layout ? It was like that for me also once. |
| 10:36.17 | yahalom | jindal, and its true cos when i use them its real fast and it blocks out phishing sites, and now it doesnt |
| 10:36.20 | yahalom | jindal, ??? |
| 10:36.23 | enouf | x_link: no you didn't ... pastebin --> fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 10:36.37 | limcore | x_link: how can I fix it? |
| 10:36.39 | jindal | yahalom: its dig .... what are ye saying?? |
| 10:36.46 | limcore | x_link: if it is badly choosen |
| 10:36.57 | jindal | yahalom, try dig rest must be clear |
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| 10:37.14 | yahalom | jindal, "digg google.com" i get SERVER: 208.67.222.222#53(208.67.222.222) |
| 10:37.17 | darkstego | I got a question, I can no longer find smp versions of newer kernels in the debian repo, are all kernels now SMP enabled? |
| 10:37.18 | yahalom | jindal, so thats good |
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| 10:37.31 | jindal | yahalom, good its working :) |
| 10:37.32 | sep | darkstego, i belive so |
| 10:37.42 | yahalom | jindal, but i go to welcome.opendns.com it says "oops not using it" |
| 10:38.04 | yahalom | jindal, and they're right because opendns is very fast...my internet is slow |
| 10:38.07 | sep | x_link, so you have a hda too. try the same with hdb to identify the hdb drive cat /proc/ide/hdb/model |
| 10:38.20 | darkstego | sep, cool thanks |
| 10:38.21 | enouf | limcore: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. and dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 10:38.25 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/249048 |
| 10:38.34 | jindal | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.46 | yahalom | jindal, welcome.opendns.com |
| 10:38.53 | enouf | x_link: no you didn't ... pastebin --> fdisk -l /dev/hdb now also |
| 10:38.55 | x_link | sep: debian:/home/sedde# cat /proc/ide/hdb/model |
| 10:38.56 | x_link | WDC WD800BB-00JKC0 |
| 10:39.06 | yahalom | jindal, 208.67.222.22 is from opendns.com |
| 10:39.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.17 | x_link | Np. =) |
| 10:39.22 | yahalom | jindal, so digg says i'm using it and opendns says i'm not |
| 10:39.26 | jindal | yahalom: dunno ... cant ya ping servers etc? |
| 10:39.33 | x_link | I must be messing up your heads with all my stupid questions. |
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| 10:39.54 | sep | x_link, so do you boot on hda or hdb now ? (where is / mounted) use mount |
| 10:39.56 | jindal | yahalom, if ye can ping browse you are using it!!! |
| 10:39.57 | enouf | x_link: no .. you judst remounted yourself for no reason is all .. |
| 10:39.58 | x_link | I'm REALLY happy that you guys help me =) |
| 10:39.58 | yahalom | jindal, i can surf but slow...it used to work, used to "u are now using opendns" and it was really fast |
| 10:40.11 | yahalom | jindal, ok...so maybe they're weird |
| 10:40.41 | jindal | yahalom: dig says clearly your system is using the mentioned dns server!! try changing it to some other opendns server |
| 10:40.52 | yahalom | jindal, k thax |
| 10:40.55 | wireddd_ | x_link, you just have an unusual problem |
| 10:41.02 | x_link | sep: http://pastebin.ca/249051 |
| 10:41.16 | x_link | wireddd_: hehe ok. |
| 10:41.22 | enouf | sep: his df -Tl and df -h both show two /dev/hdb1 .. one is / and one was the /mnt/seppe |
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| 10:41.38 | sep | x_link, so you have hda = 40GB and hdb = 80 GB but you boot on hdb :) |
| 10:41.50 | sep | you should boot on hda, and then repartitino hdb to be 1 large partition. |
| 10:42.48 | x_link | sep: One big partition ? So you mean that those two hdds will be "one" ? |
| 10:42.51 | RvGaTe | is there a guide somewhere on how i could add a new hdd, and make sure the home directory's are stored on that new hdd, without breaking the system/losing files |
| 10:42.55 | x_link | Cause I don't want that |
| 10:43.07 | sep | x_link, no so that the hdb (80 GB) will be 1 large storage area |
| 10:43.13 | x_link | Yeah. |
| 10:43.14 | enouf | x_link: pastebin --> fdisk -l /dev/hdb now also |
| 10:43.18 | x_link | okey. |
| 10:43.34 | sep | x_link, point is that you cant repartition the drive you have mounted. |
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| 10:44.08 | sep | so you must reboot on hda before you can repartition hdb. |
| 10:44.10 | valdyn | RvGaTe: why do you need a guide for this? which part is unclear? |
| 10:44.35 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/249054 |
| 10:44.58 | RvGaTe | valdyn, the mounting part... where do i tell on what hdd the home directories are |
| 10:45.10 | valdyn | RvGaTe: in /etc/fstab |
| 10:45.15 | wireddd_ | sep, he had two /dev/hdb1 mounted to different places with different sizes |
| 10:45.36 | x_link | sep: Should I not take out both hard drives, just plugin the 40GB and do a re-install. When the installation is done, then I can plugin the 80GB and format/mount it ? |
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| 10:45.48 | x_link | Is that not easier ? |
| 10:45.52 | sep | wireddd, that's just him messing around. he said his goal was to use hda (40GB) for OS and hdb 80GB for storage. currently he boot on hdb. |
| 10:46.11 | x_link | sep: Yeah, that is exactly what I want. |
| 10:46.14 | RvGaTe | valdyn, so i attach the hdd, format it, and change the fstab lines... does it require a reboot (part from installing hdd) |
| 10:46.22 | sep | x_link, if you want to reinstall you can just do that. no need to unplug anything. that's just confusing. |
| 10:46.35 | x_link | OKey. |
| 10:46.54 | x_link | sep: So I can re-insall with both my hard drivs plugged in? |
| 10:47.06 | x_link | re-install. |
| 10:47.07 | wireddd_ | x_link, you were editing your pastes? |
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| 10:47.09 | sep | x_link, but if you have already installed hda then a reboot making sure your bios boot on hda, and yoru grub use root hd(0,0) should just wrk |
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| 10:47.44 | x_link | sep: I didn't understand that last thing. |
| 10:47.51 | x_link | + I use LILO ;) |
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| 10:48.02 | sep | x_link, ouch |
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| 10:48.50 | x_link | WHen I did this the last time when another guy helped me, then it went really fast. |
| 10:49.20 | x_link | chmod 666 or 777, we did something like that also. |
| 10:49.26 | x_link | Don't remember exaclty. |
| 10:50.19 | x_link | sep: I will do a re-install |
| 10:50.21 | sep | x_link, well if you dont mind doing the install again you can do that. it would be nice practice for you :) save you the needless messing about |
| 10:50.22 | x_link | That's better |
| 10:50.33 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:50.37 | x_link | Then I will do it now. |
| 10:50.53 | utrrrongeeb_ | Can I have GCJ and Sun Java installed at the same time? |
| 10:51.08 | x_link | I will tkae out the 80GB now, install Debian on my 40GB, then when I'm done I will set the 40GB as Master and 80GB as Slave. |
| 10:51.11 | enouf | sep I think he's really booted to hda1, just scewed the mount points .. note from fdisk -l /dev/hda [/dev/hda1 * 1 4665 37471581 83 Linux] corresponds to the df -h that's listed as hdb1 :=O |
| 10:51.25 | x_link | And then I will come back to you guys and ask you. |
| 10:51.29 | x_link | Be back later guys |
| 10:51.35 | x_link | Thanks ALOT for the help!!! |
| 10:51.37 | x_link | Bye |
| 10:51.50 | sep | enouf, i havent seen that paste |
| 10:52.06 | x_link | hmm maybe I should wait til sep has seen it =) |
| 10:52.19 | enouf | sep enjoy ;:-) http://pastebin.ca/249037 |
| 10:52.40 | wireddd_ | I really want to know why it says that |
| 10:52.57 | enouf | x_link: it's just that .. well . let someone else brak the news .. |
| 10:53.00 | sep | x_link, well a reboot and checking mount output will tell you for sure if you are on hda or hdb |
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| 10:53.45 | robert2 | hi, has anyone gotten around openssh 3.8's extremly low timeout? |
| 10:53.50 | enouf | x_link: you should consider pastebinning cat/etc/fstab too |
| 10:54.11 | enouf | x_link: erm cat /etc/fstab |
| 10:54.28 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:54.35 | sep | x_link, enouf: that paste looks bad, either its edited or he messed up bad :) either way reboot , and check |
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| 10:54.45 | enouf | sep: yep |
| 10:55.02 | enouf | 2nd one |
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| 10:55.18 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/249058 |
| 10:55.38 | x_link | sep: Should the reboot say hda ? |
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| 10:56.12 | enouf | x_link: I would cjabge the entry to hda1 for / |
| 10:56.21 | enouf | change even |
| 10:56.24 | sep | x_link, i think your 40GB was hdb when you installed witrhout 80 GB in,. then when you instaleld 80GB you got 40GB as hda since your fstab say hdb but the partitinos match what yuo have on hda. |
| 10:56.41 | utrrrongeeb_ | Can I have GCJ and Sun Java installed at the same time? |
| 10:57.32 | Stardust | hi. I added a second network interface (classical fast ethernet) and if i write ifconfig, there is only the first one |
| 10:57.47 | x_link | enouf: Will mh Debian hdd be hda1 then ? |
| 10:57.53 | x_link | Will my even |
| 10:58.04 | wireddd_ | yes |
| 10:58.09 | cydork | Stardust: ifconfig -a |
| 10:58.12 | x_link | Okeyr. |
| 10:58.17 | x_link | enouf: How do I do that then? |
| 10:58.21 | enouf | x_link: I would cjabge the entry to hda1 for / AND hda5 for swap ,... sccording to this is will http://pastebin.ca/249048 |
| 10:58.28 | enouf | according* |
| 10:58.44 | x_link | Should I do that or a re-install, which is best enouf ? |
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| 10:59.31 | enouf | x_link: do that ... then you'll be able to wipe out and setup hdb (80GB) the way you want .. you don;t need anything off hdb ..right? |
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| 11:00.18 | x_link | I will use it for all my files, when everything is done. |
| 11:00.24 | x_link | And 40GB only for DEbian- |
| 11:01.08 | x_link | "do that" you mena re-install or ? |
| 11:01.12 | x_link | mena = mean |
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| 11:02.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:02.09 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:02.14 | blondie | !popcorn |
| 11:02.21 | blondie | dpkg: denied |
| 11:02.32 | x_link | I will do a re-install nopw |
| 11:02.35 | x_link | brb guys |
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| 11:02.38 | x_link | Thanks once again |
| 11:02.46 | enouf | x_link: right now .. you have only one partition on hdb, and it ain't your Linux installation .. atleast not the one you're booted into .. so .. edit /etc/fstab as stated amd come back after a reboot |
| 11:02.50 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:05.28 | telexicon | well |
| 11:05.32 | telexicon | lets hope that works |
| 11:05.35 | telexicon | and then i will clean it up |
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| 11:06.21 | telexicon | arrg |
| 11:06.24 | telexicon | this stupid thing doesnt work |
| 11:06.37 | Stardust | cydork:thanx, now it works :) |
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| 11:06.52 | enouf | wireddd_: sep : just a lil' notation .. his hdb1 entries in df -h and df -Tl output showed one was ~36GB and one was ~71GB .. when comparing that to his fdisk outputs .. the 36GB is / on hda and 71GB was on hdb |
| 11:07.12 | enouf | as whatever |
| 11:07.34 | enouf | our newly created /mnt/seppe point |
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| 11:08.00 | enouf | bb in a bit |
| 11:08.00 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 11:08.04 | sep | does anyone have a solution to the mousewheel goes bananas all the time on linux ? |
| 11:08.12 | gypsymauro | someone from wien here?:) |
| 11:08.16 | blondie | sep: a hammer? |
| 11:08.32 | sep | blondie, that will atlest make it consistent... |
| 11:08.48 | wireddd_ | sep, a new mouse? |
| 11:08.48 | blondie | my mousewheel was misbehaving yesterday |
| 11:08.54 | blondie | and I did smash it up :| |
| 11:08.58 | sep | wireddd, it's not a hardware itssue |
| 11:09.02 | blondie | other one works fine |
| 11:09.05 | stefan | anybody knows when or if java will come as debian packages to install via apt? now when they've made it FREE! |
| 11:09.22 | cydork | stefan: it is available if you are running etch or sid |
| 11:09.27 | sep | when you use rdesktop to a different computer or kvm switch to a different computer it resets the mouse with it's settings |
| 11:09.51 | sep | when you go back to linux you have a wacy mousewheel, doing all kinds of things |
| 11:09.59 | stefan | cydork, what's the name of the package? |
| 11:10.14 | sep | resetting the mouse but unloading and reloading psmouse kernel module fixes it until you swap to a different computer again |
| 11:10.22 | cydork | stefan: and only compiler and jvm is free now afaik |
| 11:10.25 | cydork | !info sun-java5-jre |
| 11:10.34 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-08-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7279 kB, Installed size: 15924 kB |
| 11:10.37 | sep | it's anoying as hell |
| 11:10.48 | wireddd_ | sep, ps2 mouse? |
| 11:11.03 | wireddd_ | nm |
| 11:11.18 | sep | usb mouse with ps2 adapter into the kvm yes. |
| 11:11.22 | sep | but it's the same with any mouse |
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| 11:13.13 | sep | reloading psmouse takes a sec, but i have to do it manually. thats the anoying bit. if i somehow could detect when the mouse is off whack it could be scriptable |
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| 11:14.08 | x_link | Damn it |
| 11:14.15 | wireddd_ | uhh oh |
| 11:14.18 | x_link | My Debian cd doesn't boot. |
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| 11:14.30 | x_link | I put the jumpers as Cable Select. |
| 11:14.35 | x_link | I even tried all the jumper settings. |
| 11:14.45 | sep | x_link, perhaps your bios boot the HDs before CDROM |
| 11:14.48 | RvGaTe | x_link, does the bios detect your cdrom drive? |
| 11:14.57 | sep | x_link, dont try, just put them the way you want them |
| 11:14.59 | x_link | My CD-ROm is my first boot option |
| 11:15.14 | RvGaTe | x_link, on what speed did you burn your cd ? |
| 11:15.24 | sep | x_link, didnt you install from that cd earlier ? |
| 11:15.27 | x_link | RvGaTe: I installed with that CD yesterday |
| 11:15.30 | x_link | Yes |
| 11:15.31 | x_link | Yesterday |
| 11:15.39 | x_link | And like 5 other times. |
| 11:15.57 | RvGaTe | x_link, does it boot on a different system ? |
| 11:15.59 | x_link | I will check the BIOS once again, But I haven't changed it. SO I know that it's on Cd-ROm |
| 11:16.02 | sep | set the jumpers the way it should be, and see if bios detect the cdrom. |
| 11:16.03 | enouf | this too makes no sense |
| 11:16.10 | enouf | Check the BIOS again |
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| 11:16.31 | FlopsyPete | If I use GNOME to add a printer, a HP LJ5 on JetDirect, when I choose the printer as 'laserjet (standard)', which would relate to CUPS' /usr/share/cups/model/laserjet.ppd, and try 'Apply' it hangs. This is on Testing but Sarge does it too. whats going on? |
| 11:16.31 | enouf | sep: leave the jumpers as they were before |
| 11:16.53 | enouf | sorry sep .. I mean x_link |
| 11:16.57 | sep | :) |
| 11:17.01 | RvGaTe | ^ lol |
| 11:17.10 | SpeedyG | when reinstalling windows on a dual-boot machine, after the installatino reinstalling Grub should be sufficient to gain access to linux again right? |
| 11:17.20 | enouf | but he's gone again :-) .. throws offmy tab completion :-P |
| 11:17.49 | RvGaTe | enouf, x_link heeft verlaten (Client Quit) |
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| 11:18.24 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe: ew! dutch clients :( |
| 11:18.28 | enouf | RvGaTe: danke :-) |
| 11:18.35 | enouf | whoops :-) |
| 11:18.43 | RvGaTe | SpeedyG, i dont read it... i only look at the color and the name :P |
| 11:18.48 | SpeedyG | haha |
| 11:18.58 | SpeedyG | i'd rather have an english one ;P |
| 11:19.00 | enouf | sep onto mouse issue - does this mean it's loaded but not being used? --> $ lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 11:19.00 | enouf | psmouse 34248 0 |
| 11:19.16 | enouf | the 0 namely |
| 11:19.41 | sep | psmouse 34696 0 |
| 11:19.41 | sep | mousedev 10880 1 |
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| 11:19.49 | RvGaTe | enouf, thats german :P in dutch it is "bedankt" |
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| 11:20.06 | enouf | sep I ask .. because I don't think I need it .. even though I'm using a staight ps2 mouse no adapter |
| 11:20.12 | sep | but i think it's allways 0 there. |
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| 11:20.19 | SpeedyG | but euhm, as answer to my question, is it enough to just reinstall grub? |
| 11:20.23 | enouf | RvGaTe: hence the whoops :-P |
| 11:20.32 | RvGaTe | ;) |
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| 11:20.44 | sep | psmouse and usbmouse and other pointer thingyes feed mousedev (/dev/input/mice) |
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| 11:21.03 | sep | so you can unplug and replug pointer devices without having to do anything with X |
| 11:21.17 | Spliffster | hi. i want to do an unattended installation of kerberos. apt-get install asks me which kerberos domain to use. is it possible to supress this question (appropriate config files are uploaded before installing the package)? |
| 11:21.19 | xjkx | cron has some tasks in it and I wanna see all of them, how do i do?crontab -e says it has nothing, maybe its not using crontab, but cron. |
| 11:21.25 | sep | in my care rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse makes it work again |
| 11:21.37 | sep | enouf, easy to test, rmmod it and see if the mouse works :) |
| 11:21.57 | enouf | sep .. you see .. I "think" I only need mousedev and my xorg.conf has the; |
| 11:21.58 | enouf | $ grep Z /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:21.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:22.17 | sep | enouf, you need mousedev, + something to feed it |
| 11:22.20 | enouf | sep .. I did once :-P .. I forget though |
| 11:22.24 | sep | usbmouse or psmouse beeing the 2 most common |
| 11:22.51 | sep | enouf, same as mine |
| 11:22.53 | enouf | sep .. no usb anything/devices here .. BUT my controller and hubs are all loaded |
| 11:22.59 | enouf | and modules |
| 11:23.32 | enouf | sep same Zaxis settings? |
| 11:23.33 | xjkx | cron has some tasks in it and I wanna see all of them, how do i do?crontab -e says it has nothing, maybe its not using crontab, but cron. |
| 11:23.42 | sep | yes |
| 11:24.01 | enouf | sep hrmm .. feel like doing some rmmod testing? |
| 11:24.04 | enouf | :-P |
| 11:24.10 | sep | naturally it works perfactly if you never use rdesktop or have a kvm switch |
| 11:24.22 | enouf | sep: naturally |
| 11:24.23 | sep | what do you mean ? |
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| 11:24.58 | enouf | sep: something is messing with whatever is tied to psmouse you presume .. night it not be some usb modules interfering? |
| 11:25.08 | enouf | moght* |
| 11:25.14 | enouf | might* even |
| 11:25.30 | sep | enouf, no, when you use a windows computer it resets the mouse protocol periodically |
| 11:25.44 | sep | it's a known issue. but linux only do that on the module loading or X starting |
| 11:25.47 | enouf | Spliffster: don;t use windows? hehe |
| 11:25.57 | Spliffster | is it possible to tell apt-get install to _not_ask any questions, because i am happy with the efaults ? |
| 11:26.02 | enouf | Spliffster: wtf? .. erm I mean sep |
| 11:26.04 | Spliffster | enouf: heh |
| 11:26.10 | enouf | hehe |
| 11:26.30 | sep | so i just want to find a way to resetting the mouse automaticaly or a way to detect that it's be altered |
| 11:26.32 | wireddd_ | sep, make a cronjob |
| 11:26.49 | sep | that was my intention if i can detect when it's broken |
| 11:27.02 | Spliffster | enouf: while we are at it (not using windows) do you know how to shut up apt-get install and just let it use the default configuration values ? |
| 11:27.14 | enouf | Spliffster: what are you installing? .. the questions AFAIK are only related to debconf/conffiles .. or similar? |
| 11:27.55 | enouf | Spliffster: sare you talking about during an update/upgrade ? .. or just installing certain pkgs? |
| 11:27.59 | Spliffster | enouf: i am installing kerberos 5 on a couple of machines ... i do not want to interact ... actually i would only have to provide the kerb5 domain name ... but it is already configured when apt-get install is started |
| 11:28.31 | enouf | Spliffster: or perhaps rigjht after an install .. hrm .. you "could" use a preseed file/setup |
| 11:29.12 | enouf | Spliffster: you would have to mess with creating your own custom CD I'd think for that |
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| 11:29.33 | enouf | Spliffster: I know nothing about the kerberos setup process though |
| 11:29.50 | Spliffster | enouf: configuration is all done automaticly already via ssh/scp. it just happens that the installation process is stopped by (prolly dpkg-reconfigure) and run intreactively. i don't wnat interaction . is there a magic option for apt-get install to make it use the default config values ? |
| 11:29.51 | xjkx | cron has some tasks in it and I wanna see all of them, how do i do?crontab -e says it has nothing, maybe its not using crontab, but cron. |
| 11:30.30 | Spliffster | enouf: ok .. .ty. i guess i'll have to use apt-get install to download the packages and dpkg -i for installing prolly |
| 11:31.26 | enouf | Spliffster: may want to look into apt-zip as a local repo setup .. or apt-cdrom .. ? |
| 11:31.55 | cydork | enouf: and how will that stop postinst from running? |
| 11:32.25 | Spliffster | enouf: i want the latest sources from the internet, krb5 should always be at the latest version. thanx anyway |
| 11:32.41 | cydork | Spliffster: does it involve debconf? |
| 11:32.45 | enouf | cydork .. no idea .. but may be could help wirth the customization/install process Spliffster --> /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 11:32.59 | cydork | enouf: hell no.. |
| 11:33.04 | Spliffster | cydork: debconf is it .. .yes |
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| 11:33.14 | enouf | Spliffster: I see .. |
| 11:33.18 | Spliffster | cydork: can i supress it ? |
| 11:33.41 | enouf | cydork: If you point your repo at a local file server that already contains a Custom image .. there ya go |
| 11:33.59 | Spliffster | cydork: or should i apt-get install --download only ... && dpkg -i /var/cache/archives/*.deb ? |
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| 11:34.20 | cydork | Spliffster: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and try change the priority |
| 11:34.21 | enouf | cydork: customize once .. aim new installs at target :-) |
| 11:34.52 | Spliffster | cydork: thanx for the hint, will try |
| 11:35.02 | enouf | cydork: the Installer has a scaled down verision of apt-get (anna) for size issues |
| 11:35.16 | cydork | enouf: stop smoking weed :P |
| 11:35.28 | enouf | wanna see a recent log? |
| 11:35.46 | cydork | enouf: i am talking in general. :) |
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| 11:38.21 | earthian | hello does anybody know a ftp client that would let me edit text files live on a remote ftp server, i.e. that i would not need to close the file (like in gFtp) for changes to be saved in the remote ftp... like working in local directory.? |
| 11:38.48 | robert2 | Has anyone gotten around openssh 3.8's extremly low idle timeout? |
| 11:39.02 | earthian | however i have noticed that mounting that ftp server is not good as the filesystem there is not accesible anyway.. |
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| 11:39.28 | cydork | earthian: any fuse based ftp fs? |
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| 11:39.44 | earthian | cydork, maybe, what packages do i need? |
| 11:39.50 | earthian | and how would i connect? |
| 11:40.08 | cydork | earthian: apt-cache search fuse ftp :P |
| 11:40.09 | petemc | earthian: vim can edit over ftp |
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| 11:42.47 | cydork | petemc: so can emacs :P |
| 11:42.55 | petemc | :) |
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| 11:44.09 | earthian | blah. how do i quit vim? :S |
| 11:44.54 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.26 | earthian | thans :> |
| 11:45.31 | earthian | thanks* |
| 11:47.15 | earthian | is there a way to make mount print supported filesystems? |
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| 11:47.53 | petemc | earthian: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 11:48.00 | xopher | Any dev:s from Finland available ? Id need to get my GPG-key signed. |
| 11:48.32 | dusty__ | Hey guys I have an NVIDIA Gigabit Lan onboard card, do any of you know which drivers i need to modprobe for it? google isnt very helpful on this one? |
| 11:48.51 | cydork | dusty__: forcedeth |
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| 11:49.30 | cydork | dusty__: it's a nForce right? |
| 11:49.42 | earthian | its forced eth :S |
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| 11:49.46 | jareth_ | anybody know why I can't connect to gmail.com fi? |
| 11:50.19 | jareth_ | when I ping I get 100% packet loss. |
| 11:51.22 | cydork | hhehe http://www.dolda2000.com/~fredrik/vi-emacs2.jpg |
| 11:51.36 | jareth_ | could this be caused by my ISP? |
| 11:52.07 | jareth_ | friend of mine with another providre doesn't have this prob.. |
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| 11:52.41 | dusty__ | yes? |
| 11:52.43 | jareth_ | any reaction would be welcome |
| 11:52.46 | jareth_ | .... |
| 11:53.13 | cydork | jareth_: :-o |
| 11:53.19 | robert2 | jareth: traceroute? |
| 11:53.21 | xjkx | cron has some tasks in it and I wanna see all of them, how do i do?crontab -e says it has nothing, maybe its not using crontab, but cron. |
| 11:53.30 | robert2 | might just be one of your isp's links that's down |
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| 11:54.24 | jareth_ | unknown host.... :( |
| 11:54.34 | robert2 | dns issue |
| 11:54.47 | enouf | cydork: what I'm saying is the installer contains udebs which arent full-blown versions (children even) of their parents :-p ..whether it's anna, anna-installer or apt-install, ..whatever --> "(debian-installer): anna's not nearly apt, but for the Debian installer, it will do" <-- quoted from the builder/maintainer |
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| 11:55.00 | petemc | use different nameservers |
| 11:55.13 | enouf | cydork: more info http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/anna and http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/cdebconf-udeb |
| 11:55.21 | jareth_ | anything I can do more? |
| 11:55.27 | petemc | use different nameservers |
| 11:55.38 | robert2 | jareth: nslookup <domain> |
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| 11:55.48 | cydork | enouf: i know what udebs are :) |
| 11:55.50 | robert2 | what's the response? |
| 11:55.51 | cydork | !udeb |
| 11:55.51 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 11:56.02 | xjkx | how do i see the installed packages, like -l |grep something |
| 11:56.12 | cydork | xjkx: dpkg |
| 11:56.23 | enouf | cydork: and yet you dare question my wisdom .. :-P |
| 11:56.38 | cydork | enouf: dont make me spank you :) |
| 11:56.46 | jareth_ | Server: 10.0.0.138 |
| 11:56.46 | jareth_ | Address: 10.0.0.138#53 |
| 11:56.46 | jareth_ | ** server can't find http://www.gmail.com: NXDOMAIN |
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| 11:57.03 | robert2 | jareth: without the htpp://, ofcourse |
| 11:57.08 | robert2 | http://* |
| 11:57.09 | enouf | !smack me with some intelligence |
| 11:57.18 | enouf | hehe |
| 11:57.36 | jareth_ | now I do get good results... |
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| 11:57.48 | jareth_ | Server: 10.0.0.138 |
| 11:57.48 | jareth_ | Address: 10.0.0.138#53 |
| 11:57.48 | jareth_ | ** server can't find http://www.gmail.com: NXDOMAIN |
| 11:57.52 | xjkx | cydork, 'rc exim4 4.63-8 metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installati' then i did "apt-get remove exim4" and the result was "the package exim4 is not installed and will not be removed" whats wrong? |
| 11:57.52 | jareth_ | oops... |
| 11:58.02 | jareth_ | Name: googlemail.l.google.com |
| 11:58.03 | jareth_ | Address: 66.249.91.83 |
| 11:58.11 | enouf | !smack me with some jellysmite |
| 11:58.32 | enouf | bah .. I meant to try my nick instead .. meh |
| 11:58.42 | enouf | PM dpkg? |
| 11:58.44 | sep | xjkx, is it not obvious ? it's not installed so it will not be removed. if you want to remove the leftover config files you can use purge |
| 11:59.09 | xjkx | sep but why it appears on dpkg -l |grep exim if its not installed, sep. |
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| 11:59.28 | sep | xjkx, becouse you haev earlier removed it but not purged it |
| 11:59.30 | sep | !purge |
| 11:59.30 | dpkg | i guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 11:59.36 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 11:59.36 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:59.41 | xjkx | mm thanks |
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| 12:01.04 | _jareth_ | some sites do work.. others don't... should I change dns entries? |
| 12:01.26 | yang | I am getting alsa error when using mplayer - http://paste.debian.net/16668 |
| 12:02.51 | cydork | xjkx: did you install any other MTA? |
| 12:03.25 | xjkx | cydork, i dont even know whats mta, exim was installed coz i installed rkhunter, did never want this package anyway |
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| 12:04.58 | petemc | xjkx: exim is the debian default mta, its installed because debian needs something to provide mail-transport-agent |
| 12:05.07 | cydork | xjkx: exim is installed by default afaik.. |
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| 12:05.38 | dorel__ | cydork: why isnt debian moving to postfix? i mean... who the hell uses exim? :) |
| 12:05.48 | petemc | dorel__: what has postfix got over exim? |
| 12:05.51 | cydork | !why exim |
| 12:05.55 | cydork | !why exim4 |
| 12:05.56 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 12:06.02 | xjkx | oh so mta mail transport agent, hmm, i uninstalled it and i have no other, i am not a server, its a desktop machine, you sure i need a mta anyway? |
| 12:06.20 | dorel__ | petemc: dont get me wrong, im just dissing exim for fun but i really dont have anything against it, im personally more comfortable with postfix, just got used to it i guess... |
| 12:06.23 | xjkx | -will read- |
| 12:06.31 | cydork | dorel__: check that link.. |
| 12:06.34 | enouf | dorel__: with no Sendmail installed .. do man sendmail .. it takes you to the exim page :-p |
| 12:06.39 | petemc | dorel__: thats not a very good reason to make it the default mta |
| 12:06.54 | dorel__ | xjkx: yeah you need an mta anyway |
| 12:07.12 | dorel__ | enouf: thats a good brainwashing engine :) |
| 12:07.18 | xjkx | dorel__, what would be the consequences if i reboot my machine with no mta?would I freeze? |
| 12:07.22 | enouf | heh |
| 12:07.27 | cydork | dorel__: he is on weed :P |
| 12:07.34 | enouf | !smack enouf with a sammich of peanut-butter-n-jellysmite and a slew of closing browser windows that were opened for no good reason in the first place .. |
| 12:07.47 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 12:08.20 | enouf | dpkg are you on drugs tonight? |
| 12:08.31 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 12:08.53 | enouf | stoner .. my man .. hehe |
| 12:09.07 | dorel__ | cydork: totally ;) |
| 12:09.16 | enouf | got some spleef dude? |
| 12:09.33 | stranger_stone | enouf hey :) |
| 12:09.43 | dorel__ | cydork: well ive never worked with exim, maybe i should start :P |
| 12:09.55 | enouf | dorel__: see ya in 5years |
| 12:10.05 | dorel__ | enouf: why is that? |
| 12:10.22 | enouf | it'll take you that long to read all the docs :-0 |
| 12:10.29 | xjkx | dorel__, what would be the consequences if i reboot my machine with no mta?would I freeze? |
| 12:10.48 | dusty__ | Hey guys I have an NVIDIA Gigabit Lan onboard card, do any of you know which drivers i need to modprobe for it? google isnt very helpful on this one? |
| 12:11.02 | cydork | dusty__: i told you forecdeth |
| 12:11.08 | cydork | dorel__: :) |
| 12:11.14 | dusty__ | oh i thought you were joking odd name |
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| 12:11.27 | cydork | dusty__: heh :P |
| 12:11.29 | dorel__ | enouf: ahh hehe, well i thought the idea of using exim is that it has easier configs than postfix/sendmail |
| 12:11.55 | enouf | dorel__: I don't do email ... :-p |
| 12:11.59 | petemc | its almost certainly not easier than postfix, has more features tho |
| 12:12.16 | Skiver | html tux! > http://www.100mb.nl/ |
| 12:12.16 | dorel__ | enouf: i see, well i've already started writing a qt postfix manager, so im wondering if i should convert it to exim now :P |
| 12:12.16 | enouf | I am a much calmer person for it |
| 12:12.24 | dusty__ | cydork, i modprobed that which worked then, ifconfig eth1 up and it says error while getting interface flags? |
| 12:12.39 | enouf | dorel__: just make all the spam go away |
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| 12:13.07 | cydork | dusty__: man interfaces, man ifconfig? |
| 12:13.15 | dusty__ | cydork, what for? |
| 12:13.18 | dusty__ | I know how to use ifconfig.. |
| 12:13.25 | dusty__ | how can I find out what the device name it gave it is? |
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| 12:13.36 | petemc | dmesg , ifconfig -a |
| 12:13.41 | cydork | dusty__: ifconfig -a |
| 12:13.45 | dorel__ | ok then back to work |
| 12:13.58 | dusty__ | ifconfig -a does not show the new interface |
| 12:14.25 | dusty__ | i have an card nic - which is eth0 and then this onboard nivdia one... |
| 12:14.29 | dusty__ | i need to get them both to work? |
| 12:14.29 | cydork | !which driver |
| 12:14.30 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 12:14.33 | cydork | dusty__: try ^^ |
| 12:14.37 | dusty__ | thanks |
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| 12:15.18 | enouf | dusty__: update-pciids and dmesg | grep <interfacename> |
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| 12:22.48 | jareth_ | lol KPN's adsl network has serious problems.... |
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| 12:22.48 | possie | how can i make the kernel core dump when it crashes? |
| 12:22.48 | noi_mile | hello. my debian sarge r3 strangely does not allow ro input a tlide character if the japanese layout is listed among keyboard layouts. if the japanese layout is removed, tilde functions again. any idea where to look to fix this? |
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| 12:22.48 | noi_mile | (:s/ro/to/) |
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| 12:22.50 | enouf | noi_mile: only thing I can guess .. maybe some info/help here http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/learn/learn_to_type.html possiblt |
| 12:22.50 | enouf | possibly even |
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| 12:23.33 | aidan | possie: what shell are you using? |
| 12:23.40 | aidan | ulimit -c unlimited for tsch |
| 12:26.19 | possie | aidan, i'm using bash shell, however i'm not logged in at the server when it crashes |
| 12:26.31 | noi_mile | thanks, enouf, an interesting link. i suppose that there's something wrong with the layout file itself... it seems that japanese layout allumes a japanese keyboard (which i don't have). |
| 12:26.45 | noi_mile | (allumes = assumes) |
| 12:26.50 | aidan | possie: then afaik there's no way to get a dump remotely |
| 12:27.14 | enouf | noi_mile: ahh .. perhaps |
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| 12:28.29 | boglizk | Heya, how do i start X? :p |
| 12:29.36 | ktwilight_ | startx |
| 12:29.37 | xopher | boglizk, startx |
| 12:29.42 | boglizk | oho |
| 12:30.04 | xopher | if you have gdm, you could also start it with invoke-rc.d gdm start |
| 12:30.33 | boglizk | also.. i'm screening irssi right now, how do i return to the console without closing irssi? |
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| 12:32.00 | xopher | you could put it to the background |
| 12:32.00 | enouf | noi_mile: look into 'man xmodmap' .. maybe even 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' .. and 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' |
| 12:32.08 | xopher | ctrl+z |
| 12:32.28 | boglizk | and how to reattatch it? |
| 12:32.37 | tarzeau | fg |
| 12:32.43 | boglizk | aiight, thanks |
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| 12:33.02 | boglizk | "The child has been stopped, restarting" |
| 12:33.03 | boglizk | aw man :/ |
| 12:33.13 | blondie | stopped and arrested |
| 12:33.30 | noi_mile | thanks again, enouf! :) this must be the right stuff :) |
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| 12:35.12 | Lukian | Debian net-install is stuck at 0% on "Installing GRUB Boot loader" suggestions? |
| 12:35.36 | enouf | noi_mile: no prob |
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| 12:41.09 | boglizk | Oi, startx no such command, also how do i scroll up in the console? |
| 12:41.59 | qwertz | Trying to get mit intel wlan chipset to work, compiled the ieee80211 and ipw2200 modules but don't know where to put the firmware file - any help? |
| 12:42.05 | streuner | try PageUP |
| 12:42.09 | xopher | you ran it as root, correct? if its not there, make sure you have it installed |
| 12:42.21 | streuner | !find startx |
| 12:42.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (4): (/usr/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/startx) in misc/ltsp-client ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
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| 12:42.47 | cydork | qwertz: /lib/firmware/ |
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| 12:43.21 | cydork | qwertz: also did you check /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 12:43.43 | noi_mile | Lukian, there are some BIOSes that block (inadvertent) mbr modification. Did you check that? |
| 12:44.03 | streuner | !waytdd boglizk |
| 12:44.11 | Lukian | noi_mile: yes, it's disabled |
| 12:44.12 | boglizk | :o |
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| 12:44.18 | streuner | boglizk: what are you trying? |
| 12:44.47 | boglizk | I tried startx, and it didn't work. I was just about to check /usr/bin/startx |
| 12:44.51 | cydork | !wayttd boglizk |
| 12:44.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, boglizk? |
| 12:45.01 | CountOlaff | hi all, :D |
| 12:45.13 | streuner | boglizk: did you see the message of the bot (dpkg)? |
| 12:45.14 | boglizk | Start a desktop enviroment? :p |
| 12:45.21 | noi_mile | startx used to be in /usr/bin/X11/startx. There must be /usr/bin/X11 if X is installed at all, must it not? %) |
| 12:45.30 | Ronin | toresbe: ahh |
| 12:45.34 | Ronin | ack wrong window |
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| 12:46.27 | streuner | !tell boglizk about xsession |
| 12:47.25 | boglizk | hm.. i cant turn off irssi |
| 12:47.49 | streuner | no need for that, just push ALT - F2 |
| 12:48.00 | boglizk | Yeah, i know.. it doesn't work now :o |
| 12:48.17 | streuner | ALT-CTRL - F2 sorry |
| 12:48.30 | boglizk | Nope,, doesn't work either |
| 12:48.44 | streuner | using some switch? |
| 12:48.57 | boglizk | screen |
| 12:49.12 | boglizk | Worked a few minutes ago with alt+f2 thou |
| 12:49.17 | streuner | ok, try CTRL - C |
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| 12:49.36 | boglizk | I think thats the color thing |
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| 12:49.45 | streuner | CTRL - A |
| 12:49.58 | boglizk | "No other window" |
| 12:50.15 | h3sp4wn | ctrl a q (if its in screen sometimes wakes it up) |
| 12:50.40 | h3sp4wn | (usually when you have accidently suspended) |
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| 12:51.26 | Lukian | noi_mile: I'm checking in case I set a boot flag on the wrong partition during setup, what would be my course of action if this isn't the case (ie. can I resume the install/ install grub manually without repeating the base sytem installation?) |
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| 12:51.51 | boglizk | oh well, i'll just /exit thenn |
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| 12:54.57 | Lukian | At what point do I need to specify I wish to use amd64 arch also? |
| 12:55.49 | blondie | ... |
| 12:56.09 | blondie | so.... is Java going to make it into Debian any time soon? :) |
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| 12:56.15 | Lukian | oops. |
| 12:56.25 | dusty__ | enouf, still dont see it? |
| 12:56.26 | blondie | Lukian: probably you want the amd64 distro? |
| 12:56.44 | enouf | dusty__: sorry .. refresh? |
| 12:56.49 | Lukian | blondie: yes, but I wish to install it from a net-install, if that is possible. |
| 12:57.02 | dusty__ | enouf dusty__: update-pciids and dmesg | grep <interfacename> |
| 12:57.08 | blondie | well you need to get the amd64 netinstall cd, if there is one |
| 12:57.16 | dusty__ | enouf, Trying to get the onboad Nvidia Gigabit Lan to work.. |
| 12:57.27 | Lukian | blondie: there is not afaics |
| 12:57.27 | dusty__ | i have modprobed forcedeth that loaded |
| 12:57.30 | blondie | #debian-amd64 (i think) might be best place to ask |
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| 13:01.01 | enouf | dusty__: sorry .. was busy .. anyways 'dpkg -l pciutils | grep tail -1' .. |
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| 13:01.58 | enouf | dusty__: did you visit the link cydork sent you to ?? .. knuto.jp ? |
| 13:02.15 | enouf | dusty__: and paste in the ouput of lspci -n? |
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| 13:02.30 | dusty__ | that command produced nothing |
| 13:02.43 | dusty__ | i can't paste the output of lspci its on another machine that doesn't have a working nic - so no net access |
| 13:02.46 | enouf | dusty__: apt-get install pciutils |
| 13:03.01 | dusty__ | cant no inet on the box till network card is setup |
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| 13:03.13 | streuner | kmuto.jp? |
| 13:03.24 | dusty__ | enouf, i used the cd rom archieve and it says thats already installed |
| 13:03.31 | enouf | dusty__: if you obtain the necessay line for the controller .. anyone here can do it for you |
| 13:03.38 | dusty__ | ok sec |
| 13:03.48 | enouf | !tell dusty__ about debian mantra |
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| 13:04.15 | dusty__ | enouf, when i do lspci -n | more it just shows numbers how do i find which is the one i need? |
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| 13:04.25 | limpio | hi all, i just installed ratpoison 1.3.0 in debian sarge, when i do c+t+w i get a list of window open, when i key the number of the window, iT doesn't switch windows |
| 13:04.40 | lunitik | !tell Lukian about d-i |
| 13:04.51 | limpio | oops, wrong channel |
| 13:04.51 | limpio | sorry |
| 13:04.52 | enouf | dusty__: match the BUS ID with the oupput of lspci -v |
| 13:05.01 | lunitik | Lukian: There is a amd64 netinst for etch only... not sarge.... |
| 13:05.10 | dusty__ | enouf, ok give me a sec.. |
| 13:05.19 | enouf | dusty__: like this --> 0000:00:10.0 0780 |
| 13:05.40 | dusty__ | 10de0057YesnVidia CorporationCK804 Ethernet Controllerforcedeth |
| 13:05.41 | lunitik | Lukian: If you're going to go that route... make sure you grab one of the nightly builds as beta3 is broken |
| 13:05.46 | dusty__ | i got that from kmuto.jp enouf |
| 13:05.55 | enouf | dusty__: ok |
| 13:06.17 | enouf | try that in Engrish though |
| 13:06.21 | enouf | :-p |
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| 13:06.23 | dusty__ | huh? |
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| 13:06.52 | Lukian | lunitik, etch is fine, is the "rc1" image fine? |
| 13:06.53 | CountOlaff | how i get my debian when is restarted, dont lose the ip and the gw? |
| 13:07.01 | dusty__ | enouf, ? |
| 13:07.06 | enouf | this doesn't look funny to you? <dusty__> 10de0057YesnVidia CorporationCK804 Ethernet Controllerforcedeth |
| 13:07.18 | enouf | that's not a BusID nither |
| 13:07.23 | enouf | neither* |
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| 13:07.34 | dusty__ | oh i thought you wanted the output from that site |
| 13:07.35 | dusty__ | hang on then |
| 13:07.40 | lunitik | Lukian: ahh, I didn't know it had been released... it should be... |
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| 13:08.09 | enouf | dusty__: you said you couldn't paste to that site earlier ..wtf? |
| 13:08.46 | dusty__ | enouf, i fixed that now |
| 13:08.50 | enouf | dusty__: it "appears" you may already have he correct module / driver loaded |
| 13:08.56 | dusty__ | i do |
| 13:09.02 | dusty__ | but it doesnt bring up the interface |
| 13:09.07 | dusty__ | like i only have eth0 no eth1 |
| 13:09.15 | dusty__ | i have a normal ethernet card in there which is eth0 |
| 13:09.23 | dusty__ | and i have an onboard one that does not work.. |
| 13:09.23 | enouf | dusty__: dmesg | grep eth |
| 13:09.38 | enouf | !tell dusty__ about paster |
| 13:09.55 | dusty__ | enouf, http://rafb.net/paste/results/5eU8sC92.html |
| 13:10.14 | enouf | dusty__: have you read your mobo manual? .. perhaps you ca NOT use both at the same time |
| 13:10.23 | enouf | dusty__: looking |
| 13:10.53 | dusty__ | enouf, http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqnoAQ47.html |
| 13:11.04 | dusty__ | enouf, It doesn't say anything in the mobo manual about that... |
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| 13:11.35 | cydork | dusty__: what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 13:11.44 | enouf | yes it does |
| 13:11.45 | dusty__ | look at that link |
| 13:11.58 | dusty__ | enouf, no it doesn't? i have it right here... |
| 13:12.03 | enouf | that link sucks :-p |
| 13:12.11 | dusty__ | heh |
| 13:12.11 | enouf | it says forcedeth is on eth0 |
| 13:12.24 | dusty__ | well wtf |
| 13:12.24 | enouf | dusty__: which motherboard? |
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| 13:12.34 | dusty__ | Abit KN9 |
| 13:12.59 | enouf | dusty__: you're already using eth0 .. you'll need to add eth1 in your config .. ok .. I'll find it |
| 13:13.27 | cydork | dusty__: what doesn ifconfig -a say? |
| 13:13.48 | cydork | dusty__: paste it in a paster.. |
| 13:13.52 | dusty__ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/w5GDf763.html |
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| 13:18.28 | lindenle | I have an SI PCI0680 ATA controller that I added to my server and now at boot the disks are in the wrong order. I was only able to get the system back up by using the recovery mode. Is there some kernel option I can give to prevent the PCI controller from getting loaded before the onboard IDE controllers? |
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| 13:20.59 | dusty__ | enouf, ? |
| 13:21.15 | enouf | dusty__: I have the file .. locating |
| 13:21.23 | dusty__ | oh right |
| 13:21.24 | dusty__ | ok |
| 13:24.50 | dusty__ | enouf, Your right its the US Robotics card that does not work, i run modprobe r8169 and that works, then i run lsmod and i see it has not been assigned a unique number its just 0... |
| 13:24.58 | enouf | couldn't find so d/l again via ftp :-) |
| 13:25.08 | dusty__ | :) |
| 13:25.16 | dusty__ | what are you downloading again? |
| 13:25.16 | enouf | dusty__: hehe .. see ? |
| 13:25.21 | dusty__ | yeah |
| 13:25.51 | dusty__ | how do i make the server see its network card? |
| 13:25.52 | enouf | You friggin mobo manual that's only 3 numbers that you couldn't even get that correct :-P |
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| 13:26.15 | dusty__ | im consuder? |
| 13:26.15 | dusty__ | im confused |
| 13:26.17 | dusty__ | what do you mean? |
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| 13:26.50 | enouf | nothing I'm wrtong |
| 13:27.15 | dusty__ | heh |
| 13:27.19 | enouf | hang around a few .. I'll tell you which pages are relevant |
| 13:27.24 | dusty__ | ok |
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| 13:29.01 | aFlag | hello |
| 13:29.40 | lindenle | How do I find out what program is accesing my disk heavily? |
| 13:29.41 | aFlag | did the way of installing nvidia driveres on etch changed from what it was on sarge? |
| 13:30.06 | dusty__ | lindenle, top |
| 13:30.21 | lindenle | dusty__: Where does it give disk IO |
| 13:30.39 | dusty__ | Cpu(s): 0.7% us, 1.8% sy, 0.0% ni, 94.4% id, 1.3% wa, 0.0% hi, 1.8% si |
| 13:30.41 | lindenle | my cpu is at 10% but my load is 2 |
| 13:30.44 | dusty__ | the wa one is the disk |
| 13:31.26 | aFlag | I was trying to install it using module-assistant. But after m-a auto-install nvidia it tells me: |
| 13:31.26 | aFlag | "Installation of nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives" |
| 13:31.29 | Xteven | hi |
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| 13:31.36 | lindenle | dusty__: im rorally confused now wa is low |
| 13:31.43 | Xteven | how can I add up all numbers passed on by some program ? |
| 13:31.44 | dusty__ | lindenle, man top |
| 13:31.52 | dusty__ | Xteven, man expr |
| 13:31.52 | Xteven | like ./myprog | sum or so |
| 13:31.53 | lindenle | dusty__: yep |
| 13:31.54 | aFlag | but I have on my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 13:32.16 | dusty__ | Xteven, test:~# expr 1 + 2 + 3 |
| 13:32.16 | dusty__ | 6 |
| 13:32.16 | dusty__ | test:~# |
| 13:32.34 | aFlag | no one? :( |
| 13:32.45 | Xteven | dusty__ : but that won't work with 10000 numbers on commandline :) |
| 13:32.57 | dusty__ | Xteven, Write a small script to do it.. |
| 13:33.17 | Xteven | thats an option |
| 13:35.00 | lindenle | dusty__: th figured it out |
| 13:35.02 | Azar | aFlag: what kernel version are you using? |
| 13:36.13 | dusty__ | lindenle, what was it? |
| 13:36.37 | skidj | how do i stop the video display from turning off when there's no keyboard/mouse activity? |
| 13:36.45 | cydork | !tell aFlag -about etch nvidia |
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| 13:36.52 | lindenle | dusty__: not io...im an idiot I had my cpu throttled back...the kde laptop app does not seem to do what I have told it to....will have to look at that |
| 13:36.52 | cahoot | !dpms |
| 13:36.52 | dpkg | from memory, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 13:37.05 | cahoot | skidj: ^ |
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| 13:37.18 | skidj | thanks cahoot |
| 13:37.25 | lindenle | Is there a good trick for an upgrade whan apt complains you dont have enough space? |
| 13:37.25 | aFlag | azar, 2.6.17 |
| 13:37.30 | aFlag | cydork, thanks |
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| 13:37.37 | blondie | lindenle: get a new harddisk? |
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| 13:37.51 | dusty__ | enouf, ? |
| 13:37.55 | xopher | lindenle, if you dont have enough space, please dont upgrade, something will break. |
| 13:38.02 | lindenle | blondie: There is space on the HD just not in the /var partition |
| 13:38.13 | xopher | lindenle, anyway, removing packages would do it, you could reinstall them later, when upgraded. |
| 13:38.30 | xopher | lindenle, apt-get clean? |
| 13:38.48 | enouf | dusty__: meh .. I just had to install winluser sofyware zup and unzip and am now having a vit of trouble extracting the stupid PDF .. plus I'm busy :-) |
| 13:38.58 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.02 | enouf | software zip |
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| 13:39.51 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.02 | xopher | have fun |
| 13:40.22 | lindenle | Now if someone can help me with this stupid ide problem I can actually get this bad boy back up online in a useable state. |
| 13:41.25 | dusty__ | enouf, hehe ok |
| 13:41.56 | dusty__ | enouf, basically is it not possible to have two cards then? |
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| 13:42.08 | x_link | enouf: Hi |
| 13:42.17 | x_link | sep: Hi |
| 13:42.31 | x_link | I have re-installed it now ( twice )lol |
| 13:42.38 | x_link | Cause I did something wrong. So I had to change it. |
| 13:42.39 | sep | x_link, good training |
| 13:42.42 | x_link | hehe |
| 13:42.43 | tarzeau2 | lol |
| 13:42.43 | x_link | So |
| 13:42.54 | x_link | sep: Now I ONLY have my 40GB plugged in. |
| 13:43.01 | cahoot | tarzeau2: sober? |
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| 13:45.40 | Azar | cahoot: tarzeau left 15 min ago |
| 13:45.43 | x_link | sep: So now I will reboot, make this 40GB master and that 80GB Slave. |
| 13:45.46 | x_link | I will be right back.- |
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| 13:45.57 | sep | x_link, check that you are on hda first |
| 13:46.01 | Azar | oh #2 |
| 13:46.10 | x_link | sep: Okey, with df -h ? |
| 13:46.13 | sep | mount |
| 13:46.36 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ mount |
| 13:46.37 | x_link | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 13:46.41 | x_link | hda1 =) |
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| 13:46.46 | Mitja | Will nvidia drivers be included in the etch release? |
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| 13:47.05 | x_link | sep: Can I reboot now and plugin the 80 drive ? |
| 13:47.14 | sep | yeah |
| 13:47.15 | banana_jones | thomas_bayes: hey |
| 13:47.18 | x_link | sep: Okey. brb |
| 13:47.26 | thomas_bayes | hey |
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| 13:48.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | !webmin |
| 13:48.58 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 13:50.55 | enouf | dusty__: too painful .. got it unzipped finally now the PDF is huge and taking forever to scroll/search .. I'm almost there though :-p .. man this is so painful .. |
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| 13:52.25 | dusty__ | hehe |
| 13:52.25 | x_link | sep: DOne. |
| 13:52.28 | dusty__ | thankyou enouf |
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| 13:53.27 | dusty__ | enouf, btw while you've been doing that i disabled the onboard network card, and then booted it up, i did a modprobe r8169 and then dmesg | grep eth it mentioned the driver but nothing about the network interface how come it still refuses to work even when i disable the onboard one? |
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| 13:54.13 | mc__ | is there something like daemon tools for linux? |
| 13:54.20 | infernix | mc__: no. |
| 13:54.20 | x_link | enouf: Hi, I'm done with the installation now. I just plugged in my other drive. |
| 13:54.23 | aFlag | this package http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html tells me it's on non-free/x11 shouldn't this repository be enough: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib ? |
| 13:54.38 | mc__ | infernix, sure? |
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| 13:54.59 | infernix | mc__: not for emulation. for normal iisos, do mount -o loop file.iso /path |
| 13:55.04 | enouf | dusty__: see 3.13 see where it's in the BIOS options to Enable the controllers ? |
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| 13:55.44 | enouf | x_link: excellent |
| 13:56.12 | dusty__ | enouf, do u have a link to the pdf as the book i have doesnt have that in it? |
| 13:56.21 | mc__ | infernix,that wont let me user /path as a cd-drive in vmware |
| 13:56.41 | infernix | mc__: vmware supports its own cdrom emulation |
| 13:56.48 | infernix | mc__: see the startup options for your VM |
| 13:56.57 | mc__ | infernix, which does not work for my iso |
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| 13:57.13 | mc__ | infernix, vmware does not play nice with udf+ |
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| 13:57.18 | x_link | enouf: So.. could you help me now and format + mount it ? |
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| 13:57.26 | x_link | I want it in /mnt |
| 13:57.40 | infernix | mc__: well then you should just mount -o loop -t udf some_udf_iso.iso /some/path/that/vmware/can/access |
| 13:57.41 | x_link | /mnt/sedde btw. |
| 13:58.17 | infernix | mc__: you might need a modprobe udf or udffs |
| 13:58.36 | cyzie | hello, i just installed etch on my laptop today. how do i upgrade to unstable/sid ? |
| 13:58.42 | mc__ | infernix, its called udf_plus, but that does not help,cause i have to boot from that cd |
| 13:58.44 | dusty__ | enouf, ? |
| 13:58.58 | mc__ | i mean dvd |
| 13:59.52 | enouf | dusty__: here's a link revieewing with details http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/08/25/abit_kn9_sli_motherboard/1.html .. hold a sec for the PDF |
| 14:00.14 | enouf | x_link: give me a few .. a bit busy .. |
| 14:00.19 | x_link | enouf: Okey. |
| 14:00.20 | infernix | mc__: well then why ask for a mountpoint in linux, you'll always need to use VMWares emulation if you want to boot from it anyway |
| 14:00.27 | dusty__ | ok |
| 14:01.00 | mc__ | infernix, pity |
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| 14:01.12 | mc__ | infernix, i really hoped there would be a possibility |
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| 14:01.23 | aFlag | this package http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html tells me it's on non-free/x11 shouldn't this repository be enough: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib ? |
| 14:01.24 | infernix | mc__: you could burn it to a dvd and have vmware use the dvd drive directly, but if you need boot support you'll have to get it done inside vmware |
| 14:01.42 | aFlag | Sorry about repeating the question, but I think no one read me before |
| 14:02.11 | infernix | aFlag: should be. |
| 14:02.12 | mc__ | infernix, i dont have a dvd burner that's the problem |
| 14:02.19 | sep | x_link, mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 to format it |
| 14:02.32 | mc__ | sadly i'll have to install windows for that task |
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| 14:03.01 | infernix | mc__: you could try converting the thing to some other format but retaining the bootable part might be tricky |
| 14:03.16 | sep | x_link, and do check that you haev them the rigth awy now before doing that :) |
| 14:03.27 | sep | s/awy/way |
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| 14:04.02 | sep | x_link, then you can just mount it manually or write a fstab entry for it. if you want it mounted allways |
| 14:04.05 | x_link | sep: Okey, how do I check that ? |
| 14:04.11 | sep | mount |
| 14:04.13 | enouf | dusty__: ftp://ftp-usa.abit.com.tw/pub/download/manual/english/kn9_series.zip |
| 14:04.34 | sep | you should not see hdb anywhere |
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| 14:05.16 | x_link | sep: http://pastebin.ca/249161 |
| 14:05.42 | sep | looks good, try to mkfs hdb |
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| 14:05.46 | x_link | ok |
| 14:06.16 | itstaff | Hi all, this is not really a question about linux but do you know how to build an interactive CD that can run in both windows and linux |
| 14:06.20 | dusty__ | right enouf specifically what page? as that is the manual i have... |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | itstaff: flash or java .. have a nice day |
| 14:06.34 | x_link | sep: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 like that. |
| 14:06.42 | sep | yeah |
| 14:06.48 | x_link | Okey |
| 14:06.53 | x_link | It's working now, be done soon. |
| 14:06.57 | itstaff | flash |
| 14:07.01 | dusty__ | mkfs.ext3 :) |
| 14:07.19 | x_link | sep: Done. |
| 14:07.33 | Halleck | I have a question about my apache2 setup on my debian sarge system... should I ask here or in the apache channel? |
| 14:07.34 | sep | x_link, make a mountpoint , and mount it. |
| 14:07.55 | itstaff | you can ask me |
| 14:07.58 | sep | Halleck, depends on the nature of the problem, ask here first |
| 14:08.17 | toretore | hello all, does anyone have experience with dell poweredge 2950 (intel xeon) servers? basically just want to know if installing/running the amd64 port on it will be problem free.. |
| 14:08.24 | x_link | sep: How ? |
| 14:08.27 | enouf | dusty__: do you have the mobo running windows at all ? I ask because you must make sure your BIOS is setup correctly for anything/everything to work correctly .. stuff like PnPBIOS=Enabled... (I/O)APIC=Enabled, ACPI=Enabled .. grep each of those terms from dmesg output for more info .. lok at /var/log/ for Error messages (syslog.0 and kern.log.0) for ex |
| 14:08.35 | sep | x_link, mkdir mnt/sedde |
| 14:08.38 | x_link | ahh |
| 14:08.43 | sep | x_link, mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/sedde |
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| 14:08.58 | Halleck | okay... I've just been having some headaches getting it to recognize my .htaccess files... I also want to get it to append README.txt files to the fancy index |
| 14:09.02 | sep | x_link, if you want it mounted on boot, you can write a new line in /etc/fstab |
| 14:09.11 | enouf | 3-13 dusty__ |
| 14:09.25 | abrotman | toretore: is there any reason you suspect you'll have issues ? |
| 14:09.26 | dusty__ | enouf, is that the physical page 3 to page 13? |
| 14:09.45 | enouf | dusty__: but that's just enabling the controllers in teh BIOS ... CHAPTER 3 - 13 |
| 14:09.55 | x_link | sep: What should be in that line ? |
| 14:09.58 | enouf | see the bottom right corner? |
| 14:10.10 | itstaff | Hi all, this is not really a question about linux but do you know how to build an interactive CD that can run in both windows and linux |
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| 14:10.16 | abrotman | Halleck: that probably is better suited for #apache |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | itstaff: I JUST TOLD YOU |
| 14:10.36 | itstaff | i didn't see |
| 14:10.52 | x_link | sep: http://pastebin.ca/249164 I have that now in /etc/fstab |
| 14:10.54 | sep | x_link, something like /dev/hdb1 /mnt/sedde ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 14:11.08 | itstaff | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.17 | x_link | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/sedde ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 14:11.23 | x_link | Like that, right ? All in one line |
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| 14:11.28 | sep | yes |
| 14:11.29 | x_link | ok |
| 14:11.33 | Halleck | okay... I did notice that the config file said "changed extensively for the debian package" up top. any idea where I could read up on those changes? |
| 14:11.33 | x_link | I will add that now. |
| 14:11.37 | _joey | is debian any good? |
| 14:11.40 | dusty__ | enouf, hrmmmm |
| 14:11.42 | itstaff | but i mean are the files still the same such as autorun.inf, etc |
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| 14:11.55 | abrotman | _joey: please don't |
| 14:11.58 | sep | _joey, depends on your needs, for me it's the best there is |
| 14:11.58 | enouf | dusty__: that's very new hardware .. AM2 .. so don't expect a distro like Sarge to have suppport for all of that .. you need to be certain 1st that they are supposed to even operate like that (both together) .. trust me .. they bury that info deep |
| 14:11.58 | toretore | abrotman: not really.. i've done som basic googling on it which resulted in a few posts about the server not being able to boot etc. i just want someone to tell me it's going to work smoothly, as it's not me who's going to be installing it :) and i have no experience with 64-bit systems.. |
| 14:12.00 | x_link | sep: Done. |
| 14:12.03 | _joey | abrotman :) |
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| 14:12.13 | _joey | abrotman Only checking |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | sep: _joey has been here plenty of times before .. he knows about debian |
| 14:12.19 | jelly | Hi, I want to check if a package is installed in postinst. Should I do dpkg -s foo | grep,awk,whatever or dpkg -l foo | grep '^.i' ? |
| 14:12.19 | x_link | But.. now I can't right click ad choose Create. I can't do anything there. |
| 14:12.19 | dusty__ | enouf, ok |
| 14:12.28 | sep | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:12.30 | abrotman | toretore: you could also /msg dpkg sarge uni |
| 14:12.38 | x_link | This is where my friend told me the last time to write chmod 777 or 666 or something like that. |
| 14:12.59 | cahoot | get e new friend |
| 14:13.07 | x_link | cahoot: It worked the thing he said. |
| 14:13.10 | itstaff | do you know where i can get a channel for flash users |
| 14:13.12 | abrotman | toretore: only way to really find out is to try it |
| 14:13.16 | abrotman | itstaff: ask #web |
| 14:13.30 | abrotman | and if you repeat your question again .. i'll smack you |
| 14:13.31 | sep | x_link, you want your regular user to be able to write into the root of the new drive ? or will a subdirectory suffice ? |
| 14:13.32 | x_link | sep: What should I do now to be able to create folders etc ? |
| 14:13.34 | itstaff | thanks |
| 14:13.43 | itstaff | #web |
| 14:13.47 | x_link | sep: Yes. |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | try a /join |
| 14:13.58 | toretore | abrotman: right, thanks for the input |
| 14:14.04 | x_link | I want root and sedde to be able to do that. |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | toretore: also .. you could ask #debian-amd64 (might be on irc.oftc.net) |
| 14:14.35 | _joey | abrotman let's change the subject on this forum. How about photography? Can we write get a distro and install it on Compact Flash card or Secure Digital card in a digital camera? |
| 14:14.36 | x_link | sep: phone call, brb in 1 min |
| 14:14.46 | abrotman | _joey: don't be an ass |
| 14:14.55 | _joey | abrotman chill :) |
| 14:15.07 | tralala | _joey, which forum? |
| 14:15.20 | _joey | ops, chat |
| 14:15.26 | _joey | chatroom |
| 14:15.33 | abrotman | _joey: stop already |
| 14:15.39 | _joey | okay, okay |
| 14:16.29 | x_link | sep: back. |
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| 14:17.22 | sep | x_link, the very most easy way is to mkdir /mnt/sedde/storage ; chown sedde:sedde /mnt/sedde/storage |
| 14:17.46 | sep | then you have a directory called sedde where your users have ownership |
| 14:17.48 | x_link | So then it will be a dir. called /storage ? |
| 14:17.58 | sep | /mnt/sedde/storage |
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| 14:18.04 | x_link | Yeha |
| 14:18.11 | x_link | So that's the only way ? |
| 14:18.29 | sep | x_link, no |
| 14:18.44 | sep | gtg feetching kids in kindergarden |
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| 14:19.46 | sep | x_link, but then you can easily symlink to it from your homedir |
| 14:20.05 | x_link | I will do this later |
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| 14:20.08 | x_link | I don't want to mess it up. |
| 14:20.18 | sep | x_link, there are many that can help you in here |
| 14:20.20 | sep | <- gone |
| 14:24.15 | _joey | did we get any new drivers for wifi? |
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| 14:25.23 | _joey | I have a usb wifi; I think I was able to install and configure ms windows drivers and ndiswrapper; the link was so unstable and hence unusable |
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| 14:34.16 | sobersabre | hi, I have a hw question about SCSI. |
| 14:34.30 | _joey | shoot |
| 14:34.41 | sobersabre | I am trying to connect several SCSI disks on 1 SCSI controller via 1 cable |
| 14:34.56 | _joey | try #hardware |
| 14:34.59 | sobersabre | I remember in old disksk there was a button to set SCSI ID of the device. |
| 14:35.11 | sobersabre | _joey ... thanks. |
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| 14:35.21 | _joey | no worries! |
| 14:35.32 | _joey | abrotman do you go to take pictures? |
| 14:35.41 | _joey | go out ... |
| 14:35.46 | _joey | :) |
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| 14:35.49 | abrotman | _joey: i'm going to smack you |
| 14:36.01 | _joey | duhh |
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| 14:36.49 | Feax | how can I install TCL on my system (for an eggdrop) ? |
| 14:37.04 | _joey | apt-get install tcl |
| 14:37.04 | dusty__ | apt-cache search tcl |
| 14:37.11 | dusty__ | google : tcl |
| 14:37.14 | dusty__ | install the tarball |
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| 14:38.56 | CAiRO | hi |
| 14:38.59 | cydork | Feax: why not install the debian package of eggdrop? |
| 14:39.11 | Feax | cydork: there is one ? |
| 14:39.15 | CAiRO | can i somehow stop artsd from running? sometimes, i see 3 or 4 artsd processed hanging around for a user |
| 14:39.16 | _joey | cause he does not know it's possible |
| 14:39.20 | Nibbier | sure there is one |
| 14:39.21 | CAiRO | with different dates.. |
| 14:39.25 | cydork | !info eggdrop |
| 14:39.27 | dpkg | eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section net, is extra. Version: 1.6.18-1 (sid), Packaged size: 464 kB, Installed size: 1052 kB |
| 14:39.34 | _joey | pkill artsd |
| 14:39.50 | Feax | yes cydork but I want to install my eggdrop in a different directory and I want multiples eggdrops |
| 14:39.51 | _joey | or look for it in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 14:40.22 | _joey | /etc/init.d/artsd stop or whatever the name of the service is |
| 14:40.31 | x_link | enouf: I will be back in 45-60min. Maybe you will have time to help me then. |
| 14:40.37 | x_link | bb in max 1 hour then. |
| 14:40.38 | x_link | Bye! |
| 14:40.47 | CAiRO | _joey: no, i meant prevent that i can start at all, i don't need that sound deamon, but i need the kdelibs which depends on artsd.. but i don't see a reason why i should start it at all when i don't need it.. but it seems some scripts automatically start it |
| 14:40.49 | cydork | Feax: oh ok then install tcl the debian way :) |
| 14:41.00 | CAiRO | sorry, prevent that _it_ can start |
| 14:41.01 | Feax | cydork: with apt-get install ? |
| 14:41.05 | Eulex | Feax, please read /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/README.Debian |
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| 14:41.18 | CAiRO | and /etc/init.d/ doesn't have an artsd file |
| 14:41.27 | Feax | Eulex: this file doesnt exists ;) |
| 14:41.39 | Eulex | Feax, then you haven't got the package installed |
| 14:41.52 | enouf | x_link: i'm almost asleep .. maybe really later ;-) |
| 14:42.18 | _joey | CAiRO come again. you want to prevent the service from starting it during boot? |
| 14:43.22 | CAiRO | _joey: no, i don't want that it is started at all, i seems some gui scripts start artsd automatically when i start programs (i don't know which those programs are), but if my computer is running for a month, i can several artsd processes still hanging around for users that are currently logged out |
| 14:43.33 | CAiRO | it seems artsd doesn't shut down correctly and that's why i want to get rid of it |
| 14:43.55 | _joey | CAiRO lsof pid |
| 14:44.08 | _joey | it'd tell which programs own the process |
| 14:44.14 | CAiRO | ok |
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| 14:45.04 | Feax | I have an external HDD, I can mount it first time, but when I umount it, I can't re-mount it, I need to reboot for. When I try to mount it that say: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist, How can I solve this ? |
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| 14:46.34 | peppelorum | Hi! Am trying to install apache2, have apt-get:ed apache2, apache2.2-common but when I try to start apache2 it says it's missing /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, running sid btw |
| 14:46.36 | d0uglas | is there an fsck intended for reiserfs? (like .. the fsck.ex2 or whatever) |
| 14:46.51 | stew | peppelorum: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:47.06 | peppelorum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:47.16 | peppelorum | sorry;-) |
| 14:47.30 | stew | Feax: run dmesg after plugging in the drive to see where it is attached, it might be somewhere other than /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:47.48 | enouf | d0uglas: apt-get install reiserfsprogs |
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| 14:48.14 | Feax | stew: how can I know who it is ? |
| 14:48.18 | enouf | d0uglas: is that 3.6 or reiser4 |
| 14:48.27 | cydork | Feax: cat /proc/partitions |
| 14:48.28 | peppelorum | stew: thanks a lot! |
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| 14:48.57 | enouf | ho hum? |
| 14:49.03 | _joey | has anyone read the news about the guy who worked on reiserfs? |
| 14:49.04 | stew | Feax: by running dmesg after pluggin in the drive |
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| 14:49.21 | Feax | stew: done but there is a lot of lines |
| 14:49.28 | enouf | _joey: hear about the tsunami off of Japan? |
| 14:49.34 | stew | Feax: "dmesg | tail" then |
| 14:49.51 | _joey | enouf I hear you mumbling :) |
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| 14:49.56 | Feax | stew: it is sdc, and in cydork 's command too |
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| 14:50.07 | Xteven | does debian have any interesting way to work with cpan modules ? I need one that's not in apt |
| 14:50.13 | enouf | no .. grumbling |
| 14:50.30 | stew | !dh_make_perl |
| 14:50.30 | enouf | there's a difference |
| 14:50.35 | stew | !dh-make-perl |
| 14:50.35 | dpkg | methinks dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. Find more information at http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/dh-make-perl.html |
| 14:50.39 | stew | Xteven: ^^ |
| 14:50.39 | d0uglas | enouf: hmm whichever reiser was default on an install a few months ago |
| 14:50.51 | _joey | I am catching up with everything happened during that time |
| 14:50.59 | Feax | ok stew and cydork it is good I changed to sdc in fstab |
| 14:51.07 | Xteven | stew: aha, is that in stable ? |
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| 14:51.09 | _joey | !reiserfs |
| 14:51.09 | dpkg | reiserfs is probably a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 14:51.10 | enouf | d0uglas: likely 3.6 .. but just dmesg | grep reiser will tell you |
| 14:51.15 | stew | Xteven: yes |
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| 14:51.41 | _joey | duhh...Amen to it! |
| 14:51.49 | stew | Feax: its likely to change again, perhaps you should use pmount or gnome-volume-mangager or ivman which are made for this type of situation |
| 14:51.55 | enouf | d0uglas: if 3.6 install what I said .. if 4 then apt-cache search reiser4 |
| 14:52.00 | d0uglas | enouf: ReiserFS: hda1: warning: vs-13070: reiserfs_read_locked_inode: i/o failure occurred trying to find stat |
| 14:52.01 | d0uglas | data of [219 75388 0x0 SD] |
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| 14:52.09 | enouf | d0uglas: that's nice |
| 14:52.16 | d0uglas | apt isn't working thanks to my bad blocks |
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| 14:52.27 | d0uglas | gonna have to do a .. .conventional install |
| 14:52.27 | cydork | d0uglas: remember about the axe :) |
| 14:52.29 | enouf | d0uglas: not good |
| 14:52.41 | d0uglas | story of my life |
| 14:52.44 | enouf | d0uglas: LiveCD with tools already on it then |
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| 14:53.07 | d0uglas | enouf: which, the reiserprogs? |
| 14:53.17 | enouf | d0uglas: ummm yeah |
| 14:54.11 | d0uglas | enouf: are the 0x41 and 0x50 errors the good errors or the bad errors |
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| 14:54.42 | cydork | d0uglas: ugly if you ask me :P |
| 14:54.50 | d0uglas | sigh :( |
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| 14:55.39 | enouf | d0uglas: not sure .. not a pro using reiser or anything ... read_locked_inode may have something to do with mount options and/or sattrib |
| 14:56.00 | enouf | xattrib* d0uglas .. but I really don't know |
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| 14:56.47 | enouf | d0uglas: visit the site dpkg told you .. look around there's a lot there |
| 14:57.34 | enouf | needs sleep ... yawns for real |
| 14:57.59 | d0uglas | enouf: according to my calculations, these problems began when i dropped my laptop the last time :P |
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| 14:58.47 | enouf | d0uglas: heh .. I'm always dropping stuff (or knocking it over) .. guess I'm glad i don;t have a laptop |
| 14:58.55 | d0uglas | do i need a livecd in order to fsck unmounted from the hd? |
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| 14:59.14 | d0uglas | guess i do |
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| 14:59.31 | enouf | d0uglas: I would say so .. sonce you can't force a fsck without the tools installed and the system bootable |
| 14:59.44 | Xteven | stew : thx |
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| 15:00.13 | d0uglas | all right, i'll grab one.. any particular one particularly good at hard drive repair or should i just grab knoppix |
| 15:01.17 | d0uglas | i hate that one.. for some reason it makes my mouse click every second |
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| 15:01.27 | not2sharp | hi |
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| 15:01.31 | tralala | grml is an admin targeted live-cd. I would expect it to be good for fsck |
| 15:02.01 | d0uglas | ok thanks tralala, enouf |
| 15:02.21 | not2sharp | Im trying to get mono running. I installed it and it runs but when I try to run any .Net app it complains about mscorlib.dll not being found |
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| 15:03.13 | not2sharp | google showed me that this was a common problem with debian but I don't see any resolution |
| 15:03.36 | smellydog | is there any tool for translate html content to text? |
| 15:03.50 | Halleck | sorry if I'm repeating myself, but are there any major differences between debian's apache2.conf and the standard httpd.conf? |
| 15:03.52 | d0uglas | copy, paste, nano |
| 15:04.14 | tralala | smellydog, lynx/w3m -dump index.html |
| 15:04.17 | RvGaTe | Is there a way to achieve a Domain envirement with linux systems only? (having homedirs on server, and authentication on server) |
| 15:04.22 | not2sharp | should I ask in #mono instead? |
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| 15:04.44 | smellydog | tralala thanks |
| 15:04.50 | tralala | not2sharp, it's worthed a try |
| 15:04.52 | smellydog | I'll try it |
| 15:04.54 | cydork | not2sharp: 3rd result on google http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/1921225 |
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| 15:05.03 | not2sharp | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.06 | not2sharp | sorry |
| 15:05.33 | not2sharp | cydork Ive been there. doesn't help |
| 15:05.40 | not2sharp | i don't have a /usr/lib/mono directory |
| 15:06.07 | not2sharp | thanks though :) |
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| 15:06.47 | kml | hi, any ideas what make fsck -y /dev/md0 to loop none stop? |
| 15:07.41 | Feax | how can I make a repertory write access for a user ? |
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| 15:09.01 | Wheezy | hi guys |
| 15:09.27 | db1310 | trying to join another irc channel and it keeps saying I need to be identified? any help |
| 15:09.42 | tralala | db1310, /msg nickserv help |
| 15:10.10 | db1310 | msg nickserv help |
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| 15:10.24 | tralala | db1310, /msg! |
| 15:11.13 | lindenle | !mplayer |
| 15:11.13 | dpkg | well, mplayer is in Debian (sid). But maybe you want to use vlc or xine instead? Feel free to also see <marillat>, <mplayer faq>, <w32codecs>. Or look at "http://www.debian-multimedia.org/". |
| 15:11.42 | tralala | no, dpkg, I don't want to use xine nor vlc instead! |
| 15:11.56 | Feax | !chmiod |
| 15:11.57 | Feax | !chmod |
| 15:11.57 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754 |
| 15:12.36 | stew | !chmod is also ask me about <Permissions> |
| 15:12.41 | dererk[work] | I need a bit of help arround to avoid killing myself for this stupid problem I have |
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| 15:12.59 | stew | grr |
| 15:13.04 | tralala | hehe |
| 15:13.09 | Bhavesh | that did not go as planned ehehe |
| 15:13.13 | dererk[work] | I'm doing this "tar --exclude-from=/root/exclutions -pcf all.tar /something |
| 15:13.37 | stew | !chmod =~ s/754/. or ask me about <Permissions>/ |
| 15:13.38 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 15:13.48 | dererk[work] | And the files listed on /root/exclutions aren't skipped :-( |
| 15:14.01 | dererk[work] | I'm about to go mad with stupid thing |
| 15:14.18 | dererk[work] | May somebody give me a hand ? |
| 15:14.24 | tralala | stew, not so great |
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| 15:15.28 | d0uglas | how can i request an fsck check on my next boot |
| 15:15.31 | stew | tralala: what's that? |
| 15:15.34 | d0uglas | other than rebooting thirty times |
| 15:15.39 | stew | d0uglas: touch /forcefsck |
| 15:15.44 | d0uglas | nice. |
| 15:15.44 | tralala | stew, you fucked up the factoid |
| 15:15.48 | cydork | stew: what happens to 754? :P |
| 15:15.54 | stew | !chmod |
| 15:15.55 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = . or ask me about <Permissions> |
| 15:16.02 | stew | duh |
| 15:16.26 | stew | !chmod =~ s/. or ask/754. or ask/ |
| 15:16.26 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 15:16.28 | stew | thanks |
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| 15:16.54 | tralala | my pleasure |
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| 15:18.40 | dererk[work] | Anyone please? :-| |
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| 15:18.40 | tx | hi all, for what is used the port 5252 (movaz-ssc) ? |
| 15:18.50 | asg | tx: fuser -v 5252/tcp |
| 15:19.23 | kml | can i reboot the system up with another distro other than the default one grub without changing grub.conf file? |
| 15:21.13 | petemc | kml: once only |
| 15:21.16 | dererk[work] | :-s |
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| 15:21.44 | kml | yes |
| 15:21.55 | tx | asg thanks |
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| 15:22.08 | petemc | kml: "once only" is a grub thing, thats the keyword you need - i think |
| 15:22.25 | kml | i see, thanks. |
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| 15:26.39 | robert2 | Hi, can anyone recommend a way around openssh 3.8's terrible low idle timeout? |
| 15:26.58 | robert2 | (apart from not being idle, ofcourse) |
| 15:27.23 | stew | robert2: i don't think openssh has an idle timeout |
| 15:27.35 | stew | robert2: your NATing router is probably to blame |
| 15:27.52 | robert2 | well, it's not configrable from the config file as far as Google can tell me |
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| 15:28.10 | petemc | i have that issue in some clients, using devices like sonic |
| 15:28.18 | blondie | robert2: what timeout do you think it has? |
| 15:28.20 | petemc | i just run something that keeps activity on the screen |
| 15:28.28 | MojoWork | how's etch comming along? |
| 15:28.35 | robert2 | blondie: 1m |
| 15:28.44 | stew | robert2: you can look at the keepalive options, or do something like run a clock in a statusbar in screen |
| 15:28.46 | blondie | robert2: well... something must be broken |
| 15:28.54 | blondie | my time out is measured in weeks |
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| 15:30.23 | Feax | is iptables activated by default on debian ? |
| 15:30.33 | petemc | no |
| 15:30.43 | Eulex | as in compiled into the kernel? yes |
| 15:30.51 | Nibbier | netfilter is actived by default i guess, but no rules are configured |
| 15:30.57 | Nibbier | as iptables cannot be "activated" |
| 15:31.09 | MojoWork | hmmm...december eh? i guess it's about time to dist-upgrade those last few woody boxes. ;) |
| 15:31.09 | asg | Feax: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian{.gz} (everything is explained there) |
| 15:31.17 | blondie | iptables is just the program to configure it |
| 15:31.35 | d0uglas | stew: I touched a forcefsck, rebooted, nothing much happened as far as fscking goes that i could see (last time with ext2 it did a 5 minute scan), now the forcefsck file is gone... i'm on reiser, any other way? |
| 15:31.57 | d0uglas | the file being gone suggests that it did what it's supposed to i suppose |
| 15:32.06 | stew | d0uglas: i don't know about reiser |
| 15:33.10 | db1310 | anyone used the asterisk package from sarge |
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| 15:33.34 | d0uglas | stew: does badblocks in read only make a note to the drive somewhere which blocks it should avoid in the future, or is it for information purposes only when in read mode? |
| 15:33.36 | MojoWork | d0uglas: reiserfsck |
| 15:33.51 | d0uglas | MojoWork: k |
| 15:33.59 | MojoWork | d0uglas: you can boot to single user mode, remount root read-only, then check it |
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| 15:34.18 | MojoWork | any others you can check by unmounting them |
| 15:34.26 | MojoWork | s/by/after |
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| 15:35.23 | d0uglas | MojoWork: oh i just started it --fix-fixable from a regular boot, should i do what you just said? |
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| 15:37.39 | d0uglas | MojoWork: okay so i'll boot in single user mode.. but by remoutn root read-only. .. how i do that :) |
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| 15:39.26 | amphi | d0uglas: mount whatever -o remount,ro |
| 15:39.36 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 15:39.58 | d0uglas | amphi: mount: / is busy :( |
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| 15:40.27 | d0uglas | should i pico fstab to ro? |
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| 15:41.32 | amphi | d0uglas: why are you trying to remount / ro anyway? |
| 15:41.37 | d0uglas | to fsck |
| 15:41.40 | d0uglas | rebootin' |
| 15:42.07 | amphi | d0uglas: touch /forcefsck should make it fsck on reboot |
| 15:42.15 | amphi | pfft |
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| 15:42.23 | blondie | hi Daveman |
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| 15:43.00 | db1310 | anyone still having trouble with the alsaconf loosing its settings after reboot with sid |
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| 15:43.34 | amphi | db1310: even after doing alsactl store ? |
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| 15:46.26 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | i heard qotd160 is <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
| 15:46.30 | db1310 | amphi: not sure what you are refering to, but I kept loosing my settings, i thought. The problem was my on board sound card kept getting loaded as device 0 when the alsaconf kept configuring my pci card as 0. Everytime I rebooted, the sound card wouldn't work again. I had to disable on board sound to get it to work |
| 15:46.38 | Daveman | Yes, well, hello again Mr. Blondie. |
| 15:46.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:46.39 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:47.06 | blondie | Daveman: Hello Mr Davemen |
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| 15:51.45 | Daveman | Yes, Hello. |
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| 15:52.01 | cydork | stop with the hellos already .. :P |
| 15:52.07 | Daveman | agreed. |
| 15:52.11 | Daveman | Blondie, stop trolling :P |
| 15:52.29 | blondie | but I love Daveman very much :( |
| 15:52.38 | riddley | Hi all. Anyone have gnomad2 working with an MPT device in a post-hotplug world? I'm having trouble figuring out what to do. I have no /proc/usb and nothing in /proc/bus/usb/ . Help? |
| 15:52.47 | Daveman | apparently :p |
| 15:52.54 | blondie | c.c |
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| 15:54.23 | cydork | riddley: uhci_hcd/ehci_hcd module loaded? |
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| 15:55.23 | riddley | cydork, yea, but both are unused |
| 15:55.27 | Lukian | I'm dual booting with windows, should the "bootable" flag on the debian partition be on or off? |
| 15:55.35 | cydork | riddley: usbcore? |
| 15:55.36 | riddley | Lukian, doesn't matter. |
| 15:55.44 | riddley | cydork, yea, it's used |
| 15:55.54 | riddley | cydork, usb kb/mouse |
| 15:56.05 | Lukian | riddley: thanks, i'll leave it off then, and hope the grub step doesn't die at 0% again :D |
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| 15:56.22 | riddley | Lukian, np |
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| 15:57.42 | riddley | maybe a better question is what replaced hotplug? |
| 15:57.44 | riddley | udev? |
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| 15:59.04 | cydork | !udev |
| 15:59.04 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 15:59.38 | manic | I am trying to find some information on Sarge. I have a 3 disk drive setup. hda and hdb will be configured raid1. The strange thing I am attempting is to make hdc the root for linux. Grub is being installed on hdc. When getting to the moment of truth (reboot after the install) grub comes up OK, the system knows there to look for the root (/dev/hdc1) but gets a file not found. Am I missing something? |
| 16:00.10 | riddley | hmm |
| 16:00.16 | riddley | neither of those urls really answer my question |
| 16:00.28 | Daveman | file not found, for what? |
| 16:00.31 | lunitik | riddley: udev replaced hotplug |
| 16:00.36 | Daveman | the kernel image? |
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| 16:01.03 | limonjalisciense | hello |
| 16:01.15 | lunitik | riddley: actually... replaced hotplug and devfs... |
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| 16:01.26 | manic | Daveman: that is my problem, it doesn't give any information on it. |
| 16:01.30 | riddley | lunitik, thx |
| 16:01.47 | Daveman | manic, most likely your grub is misconfigured. |
| 16:01.55 | Daveman | or something :) |
| 16:02.07 | lunitik | riddley: see /etc/modprobe.d/ and /etc/modules for configuration :) |
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| 16:02.27 | limonjalisciense | i just installed my debian sys, i cant start the xserver, i installed everything ok |
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| 16:02.41 | cydork | riddley: which version of debian is this? |
| 16:02.48 | limonjalisciense | when i try to start it it says: no home |
| 16:02.56 | lunitik | limonjalisciense: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say went wrong? |
| 16:03.19 | cahoot | limonjalisciense: trying as root? don't |
| 16:03.20 | riddley | unstable |
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| 16:03.28 | riddley | I think I may have just found the problem |
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| 16:04.04 | limonjalisciense | no home/myname file, no home/myname/.Xsession file, no session window manager, no terminal emulator find |
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| 16:04.47 | lunitik | limonjalisciense: ok... then give yourself a /home dir via /etc/passwd (making sure you actually create it) ... and try again? |
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| 16:05.23 | lunitik | limonjalisciense: also... what window manager did you install? |
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| 16:06.56 | limonjalisciense | i dont know exactly, i installed xserver-common, xserver-xfree86, |
| 16:07.13 | limonjalisciense | then i installed gnome and it start but my screens looks really crapy |
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| 16:07.26 | limonjalisciense | *starts |
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| 16:08.26 | lunitik | limonjalisciense: ahh... sarge? for a desktop? |
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| 16:08.54 | limonjalisciense | yes sarge 3.1 |
| 16:09.11 | riddley | wow. is it really the case that I have a udev package on my system that requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, but that Debian doesn't package such a kernel? |
| 16:09.32 | blondie | riddley: what version of debian? |
| 16:09.36 | cydork | riddley: which version of debian? |
| 16:09.38 | riddley | unstable |
| 16:09.39 | lunitik | limonjalisciense: fwiw etch will be released rsn |
| 16:10.00 | cydork | riddley: unstable has 2.6.18 nowdays |
| 16:10.02 | lunitik | riddley: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 16:10.13 | limonjalisciense | ..... |
| 16:10.28 | riddley | hmm i'll update... my sources don't have it. |
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| 16:10.54 | riddley | deb http://ftp.debian.org unstable main non-free contrib doesn't seem to have it? |
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| 16:11.27 | smacnay | what are the libs for framebuffer if I want to compile a program against it? |
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| 16:13.26 | smacnay | got it - libdirectfb-dev |
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| 16:17.51 | rootUser_ | hello folks.. |
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| 16:18.55 | rootUser_ | someone has a source.list??? |
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| 16:19.34 | Ronin | rootUser_: you have one, whats wrong with it? |
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| 16:19.58 | rootUser_ | Ronin, i hava a old debian server.. |
| 16:20.16 | cydork | rootUser_: sarge? |
| 16:20.17 | Ronin | rootUser_: potato? woody? sarge? |
| 16:20.41 | rootUser_ | and the adresses that i connect doesn't connect more |
| 16:20.51 | rootUser_ | woody |
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| 16:21.04 | Ronin | rootUser_: may be because woody isn't supported anymore |
| 16:21.06 | Ronin | iirc |
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| 16:21.34 | superf | rootUser_ atualiza para o sarge.. |
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| 16:21.53 | rootUser_ | Ronin, cydork, I need to use udftools to make a backup cds... |
| 16:22.08 | rootUser_ | do u know how do i? |
| 16:22.19 | stew | rootUser_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:22.44 | rootUser_ | stew, i use 3.0 |
| 16:23.23 | stew | rootUser_: support for 3.0 has indeed been dropped. It would be recommended that you upgrade to 3.1, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:23.42 | rootUser_ | stew.. |
| 16:23.43 | riddley | I don't get it. I've changed to several different mirrors and none of them have the 2.6.17 kernel that http://debian.org talks about existing in unstable. |
| 16:24.01 | rootUser_ | do you have the source.list to pass to me? |
| 16:24.12 | stew | !tell rootUser_ about woody->sarge |
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| 16:25.09 | cydork | riddley: it has 2.6.18 afaik |
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| 16:25.36 | limonjalisciense | help!!! |
| 16:25.41 | riddley | I'm just using the search at debian.org |
| 16:26.03 | lunitik | riddley: the package is no longer kernel-image ... make sure you're looking for linux-image |
| 16:26.11 | riddley | aaaaah |
| 16:26.12 | riddley | lol |
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| 16:26.25 | riddley | is that for hurd? |
| 16:26.31 | lunitik | riddley: I told you that about 15 mins ago... thank you for paying attention... |
| 16:26.44 | riddley | lunitik, sorry. take it easy. |
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| 16:27.01 | lunitik | riddley: no... its just now Debian has 3 kernels... and it was decided it was unfair for one to be called 'kernel' |
| 16:27.10 | rootUser_ | could someone pass source.list to me? |
| 16:27.16 | riddley | it's an easy thing to overlook when you've used the same word for several years |
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| 16:29.54 | riddley | thanks for the help guys. |
| 16:29.57 | riddley | off to reboot |
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| 16:31.46 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, i've got a sarge install where apache2 just dies. ps -ax shows plenty of running processes. Any hints on where to start diagnosing this? |
| 16:32.25 | gcbirzan | Define dies. |
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| 16:35.38 | limonjalisciense | now i installed kde and it cant start, cannot conect do xserver |
| 16:35.59 | limonjalisciense | to xserver |
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| 16:36.48 | HawkERB | is it rational to use unstable for server? |
| 16:36.52 | infernix | nope |
| 16:36.53 | cydork | HawkERB: nope |
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| 16:37.01 | HawkERB | :( |
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| 16:37.06 | cydork | HawkERB: it's insane ! |
| 16:37.07 | infernix | servers dont tend to be stable if you upgrade packages weekly |
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| 16:37.20 | jlhenry | Hi |
| 16:37.23 | HawkERB | so, testing or only stable? |
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| 16:37.31 | infernix | stable + backports if you must. |
| 16:37.37 | jlhenry | Does anyone knows a workaround for the tomcat bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395167 |
| 16:38.00 | infernix | or backport stuff yourself |
| 16:38.03 | infernix | !simple sid backport |
| 16:38.03 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 16:38.17 | HawkERB | gosh, I need php5, mysql5, ruby on rails... none of it in stable :\ |
| 16:38.30 | abrotman | backports.org .. read the instructions |
| 16:38.39 | HawkERB | thx I'll do |
| 16:39.20 | CharminTheMoose | question:I'm trying to make a small boot/root disk.Can anyone tell me what I should include in my /etc directory? |
| 16:39.30 | andrewtaylor_ | gcbirzan: fails to serve pages when users connect, just times out |
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| 16:40.32 | HawkERB | wow - backports seems to be great idea, thx guys! :) |
| 16:40.51 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: telnet 127.0.0.1 80? |
| 16:40.58 | x_link | muahaa |
| 16:41.00 | x_link | Done =) |
| 16:41.54 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: Do you have excessive connections in netstat -tnap | grep :80 ? |
| 16:42.21 | andrewtaylor_ | i didn't get a chance to check, i restarted the process and it fired back up |
| 16:42.24 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: If you have many in SYN_WAIT from random IPs, try enable SYN cookies. |
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| 16:42.32 | andrewtaylor_ | i just wanted some background info so i can debug better next time |
| 16:42.42 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: You said "it dies". As in, it keeps on dying. |
| 16:42.50 | gcbirzan | Not the same thing as "it died once". |
| 16:42.52 | x_link | enouf: Done =) |
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| 16:43.25 | limonjalisciense | thanks |
| 16:43.30 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: You know the worst part of problems that just go away? |
| 16:43.46 | lunitik | gcbirzan: hard to debug? |
| 16:43.48 | Ronin | gcbirzan: they just come back at some point |
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| 16:44.03 | gcbirzan | Yeah. |
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| 16:44.11 | gcbirzan | As unexpectedly as they disappeared. |
| 16:44.29 | gcbirzan | So, it's usually better to spend an extra couple of minutes debugging a problem, instead of hurrying to fix it.. |
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| 16:46.01 | andrewtaylor_ | yeah that's why i'm here |
| 16:46.15 | andrewtaylor_ | it's happened once, i don't know why, i suspect it's going to happen again. I want to be ready for it :) |
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| 16:46.31 | andrewtaylor_ | so - netstat it, see if there's plenty of syn_waits |
| 16:47.04 | smacnay | is there a console front-end for postgresql querying (ncurses)? |
| 16:47.25 | andrewtaylor_ | i've got lots of TIME_WAIT |
| 16:47.30 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: SYN_something. :-) |
| 16:47.59 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: Probably SYN_RECV. I can't remember, heh. |
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| 16:48.05 | gcbirzan | smacnay: psql? Not ncurses, but... |
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| 16:48.10 | andrewtaylor_ | okay |
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| 16:49.08 | gcbirzan | andrewtaylor_: TIME_WAIT are okay. |
| 16:49.11 | andrewtaylor_ | okay |
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| 16:49.43 | andrewtaylor_ | i suppose i'll just have to wait it out |
| 16:49.59 | abrotman | andrewtaylor_: does the machine accept incoming connections at all ? |
| 16:50.00 | JoshX | hey there.. php5 = broken in debian unstable at the moment? |
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| 16:50.11 | abrotman | !btssmite joshx |
| 16:50.34 | JoshX | abrotman: gee thanks... |
| 16:50.34 | andrewtaylor_ | abrotman: yeah, I can ssh no problem, it just wasn't serving pages |
| 16:50.48 | abrotman | JoshX: you should always start in the BTS if you're running unstable |
| 16:51.10 | JoshX | abrotman: i have a text only console here |
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| 16:51.20 | Kim^J | Hi there. I wonder if it is possible to chroot into an enviorment and install/run a program from it. I wanna run a program that require newer libs than I have but I don't wanna upgrade the whole system. Is this possible? |
| 16:51.21 | JoshX | abrotman: the bts is not very userfriendly in textmode |
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| 16:51.32 | JoshX | abrotman: so i figured i drop by and ask |
| 16:51.43 | abrotman | JoshX: bugs.debian.org/php5 ? you can't scroll ? |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | or use apt-listbugs ? |
| 16:52.06 | andrewtaylor_ | reading the apache docs about max clients - It said that you should work out what the average memory usage of an apache process is, then divide it by 90% of your available RAM. That's the number of clients you can afford as a max (to prevent swapping). Looking at top is %MEM the number of MB in use, so 1.0% means 10mb in 1GB ? |
| 16:52.09 | JoshX | i can scroll |
| 16:52.10 | odla | can't you search for keywords on bugs.debian.org too? |
| 16:52.17 | abrotman | no you can't |
| 16:52.18 | JoshX | so i will try apt-listbugs |
| 16:52.34 | abrotman | and i believe apache2.2 and php5 is still broken in unstable |
| 16:52.51 | odla | abrotman: really? that's lame |
| 16:52.53 | odla | :/ |
| 16:52.57 | JoshX | whole php5 is broken.. it depends on phpapi-20051025 which is not installable |
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| 16:53.05 | odla | i blame ubuntu |
| 16:53.30 | CharminTheMoose | question:WHen i boot into textmod i find that just about all my ram is gone and already i'm swapping.Could anyone enlighten me as of why? |
| 16:53.31 | abrotman | odla: used to be able to ... |
| 16:53.39 | abrotman | JoshX: yay unstable? :) |
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| 16:54.00 | CharminTheMoose | *textmode |
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| 16:54.12 | raf256 | !smitesmite abrotman |
| 16:54.13 | JoshX | abrotman: i need the etch unstable installer for debian to recognise my sata controller |
| 16:54.25 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: how do you know its all used and your using the swap file? |
| 16:54.37 | abrotman | etch is NOT unstable |
| 16:54.40 | JoshX | abrotman: then i had to upgrade to unstable to get 2.6.18-2 and php 5.2.0 |
| 16:54.42 | odla | JoshX: you mean a daily build of the installer? that's still testing |
| 16:54.42 | Kim^J | Anyone at my question before? |
| 16:54.44 | JoshX | and then things broke |
| 16:54.47 | abrotman | !tell JoshX about sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 16:54.52 | CharminTheMoose | Ronin:Because free says so |
| 16:54.57 | abrotman | !tell JoshX about backports |
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| 16:55.10 | abrotman | JoshX: you didn't have to do any of those things .. you did those without asking here first |
| 16:55.25 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: looked into top just for the heck of it? |
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| 16:55.53 | CharminTheMoose | yes Ronin |
| 16:55.55 | JoshX | abrotman: i did.. abrotman reinstalling is not a big deal.. |
| 16:56.14 | JoshX | abrotman: so that is basically what i will do and begin from scratch |
| 16:56.16 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: and? |
| 16:56.16 | abrotman | JoshX: lots of things break in unstable .. don't use it if you depend on it |
| 16:56.26 | abrotman | don't use it if you depend on the machine working |
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| 16:56.42 | JoshX | abrotman: well what i really need is a 3.1 debian version booting on this new board with sata controller |
| 16:56.46 | odla | and don't use it if you don't install apt-listbugs at the minimum |
| 16:56.48 | CharminTheMoose | it says mem: 125796k total,99744k used |
| 16:56.55 | CharminTheMoose | i think that says it |
| 16:56.58 | abrotman | which sata controller ? see what the bot said about 2.6.18 |
| 16:57.06 | JoshX | abrotman: so what i really need is an installer that installs 3.1r3 or 4 with kernel 2.6.17 or better in the installer |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | !tell JoshX about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:57.14 | JoshX | i did read that |
| 16:57.15 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: top m iirc |
| 16:57.15 | abrotman | !tell JoshX about sarge uni |
| 16:57.17 | JoshX | i did read that |
| 16:57.21 | CharminTheMoose | Mem: 125796k total, 99744k used, 26052k free, 1660k buffers Swap: 258268k total, 42688k used, 215580k free, 54992k cached |
| 16:57.22 | abrotman | okay .. then use it |
| 16:57.56 | CharminTheMoose | Ronin: Xfree86 followed by top and then init |
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| 16:58.33 | JoshX | the 2.6.18 link is no good to me since i cant even install a 3.1r3 version because it wont recognise my disks |
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| 16:58.51 | JoshX | ah |
| 16:58.54 | CharminTheMoose | so why does this happen? |
| 16:58.56 | JoshX | the second link in that post is |
| 16:59.17 | aidehua | What is the best way to diff two binary files? |
| 16:59.21 | aidehua | (They are tar files.) |
| 16:59.48 | aidehua | ls -l |
| 16:59.54 | Ronin | if i reac that correctly CharminTheMoose im not seeing a problem |
| 17:00.10 | aidehua | Excuse: It's late in the day :) |
| 17:00.17 | andrewtaylor_ | aidehua: do you want to see the differences, or, do you want to know if they match? |
| 17:00.39 | JoshX | abrotman: urnf :( the backported 2.6.18 installer does not have lvm/raid support... |
| 17:00.45 | cydork | aidehua: check md5sum? :P |
| 17:00.53 | abrotman | JoshX: i think it's been updated to include that |
| 17:00.58 | JoshX | abrotman: you reckon it is safe to run 2.6.19rc3 |
| 17:01.06 | abrotman | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 17:01.08 | JoshX | abrotman: not on the site it isn't :S |
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| 17:01.14 | JoshX | abrotman: its an intel system |
| 17:01.15 | abrotman | JoshX: why not .. everything else you want ot use is beta |
| 17:01.29 | aidehua | andrewtaylor_: I'm making tar files of my home directory, and want to efficiently store older versions of the tar files. |
| 17:01.30 | JoshX | intel p4d945 |
| 17:01.37 | JoshX | abrotman: hmhm |
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| 17:01.38 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 is also http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 17:01.38 | dpkg | abrotman: that's too long |
| 17:01.44 | abrotman | bastard! |
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| 17:01.51 | CharminTheMoose | !bastard |
| 17:01.51 | aidehua | I'd check them into CVS / Subversion, but only if I could "forget" about versions when they get to a certain age. |
| 17:01.52 | dpkg | hmm wheres Prophet ? |
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| 17:02.37 | De_Mon | msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 17:02.50 | andrewtaylor_ | so you just want to see if mytar.tar is the same as theother.tar |
| 17:02.57 | JoshX | abrotman: i dont have an amd64 system |
| 17:03.24 | _joey | could someone tell me which package I should install to compile the source code which gives me the error at the moment: http://abate.veritynet.net/~joey/log |
| 17:03.43 | abrotman | JoshX: okay |
| 17:03.46 | andrewtaylor_ | just create a checksum with md5sum - if they sums match, the files match. If you want to know which files are missing from a.tar compared to b.tar do a tar -t and diff the output |
| 17:03.58 | abrotman | !b-e _joey |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | _joey: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 17:04.04 | JoshX | abrotman: i need a i386/i686 kernel |
| 17:04.22 | JoshX | abrotman: so i will try the 2.6.19rc3 image |
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| 17:05.10 | aidehua | andrewtaylor_: it's more of a storage thing -- each tar is 8GB in size, but they are only small changes between them, and I could more efficiently store these things if I stored the 'head' tar file and only kept deltas. |
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| 17:05.36 | andrewtaylor_ | so just create one tar a week, then tar the deltas seperatley |
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| 17:06.15 | abrotman | JoshX: okay |
| 17:07.39 | ofer0 | !tar |
| 17:07.39 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 17:08.06 | aidehua | The problem is creating the deltas between tar files :) |
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| 17:08.38 | sepski | a compressed filesystesm you could loopbackmount would be excelent in such cases |
| 17:09.23 | andrewtaylor_ | everytime you create a tar file, create last_backup file, then just find cnewer |
| 17:09.33 | aidehua | The reasons these large tar files exist in the first place is so that large directory structures can be rsync'd over the internet. |
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| 17:10.13 | _joey | abrotman already it was installed |
| 17:11.25 | _joey | god damn it |
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| 17:11.39 | aidehua | If only rsync could be told to output a patch, instead of just copying from one file to another :) |
| 17:11.47 | aidehua | That would be an excellent binary-diffing tool :) |
| 17:12.36 | sepski | aidehua, tried rdiff ? |
| 17:12.42 | sepski | and rdiff-backup |
| 17:12.57 | aidehua | sepski: suffers from perms problems, and UID syncing. |
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| 17:13.10 | aidehua | So much easier to tar up a filesystem and the just rsync the one file -- and it is just as efficient. |
| 17:13.11 | _joey | installing from source? |
| 17:13.18 | _joey | I run make configure first? |
| 17:15.25 | _joey | someone has to help me to compile it :) |
| 17:15.52 | _joey | the source looks for headers in /usr/src/linux instead of /usr/src/kernel-headers-* |
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| 17:15.59 | Flimqy | What would be the easiest way to set up an MTA to accept all mail connections, reply with a '250' and then discard the message without processing it? |
| 17:16.31 | anilomkar | Can any one tell me how to install cgwd in debian sid |
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| 17:17.08 | _joey | be back in a minute |
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| 17:17.50 | kazik | hi guys i have problem with mount my disc.. |
| 17:18.04 | infernix | hm, apticron or cron-apt - which is better? |
| 17:18.05 | kazik | i cant mount ntfs prtition |
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| 17:19.47 | infernix | !ntfs |
| 17:19.47 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 17:19.54 | _joey | guys, I need this module for my wifi rt2570 |
| 17:20.04 | _joey | or rt2500 |
| 17:20.07 | anilomkar | Hello all, Can anyone tell me how to install cgwd? |
| 17:20.41 | _joey | dwl-122g 2.03 version |
| 17:20.41 | _joey | is there debian package? |
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| 17:20.42 | _joey | http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm |
| 17:20.44 | madkazik | eeee..... yesterday i have normal mount used... |
| 17:20.50 | _joey | this driver |
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| 17:21.19 | jones- | hello |
| 17:21.26 | jones- | i have problems with wodim (cdrecord) |
| 17:21.36 | jones- | please look here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NkvXg445.html |
| 17:21.40 | jones- | can anybody help about it? |
| 17:21.46 | _joey | abrotman ... |
| 17:21.50 | _joey | help me ;) |
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| 17:23.12 | CharminTheMoose | question:I'm trying to make a small boot/root disk.Can anyone tell me what I should include in my /etc directory? |
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| 17:23.23 | _joey | what are backports? |
| 17:23.29 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 17:23.49 | stew | _joey: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:23.56 | ribasushi | is there a way to make aptitude delete all downloaded packages after every successfull install/update run? |
| 17:23.57 | mc__ | _joey, backports are software from edgy compiled with dapper libs |
| 17:24.00 | limonjalisciense | how can i get a list with packages names |
| 17:24.04 | stew | mc__: ECHAN |
| 17:24.05 | limonjalisciense | i need to install glide |
| 17:24.22 | mc__ | stew, echan? |
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| 17:24.28 | stew | mc__: wrong channel |
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| 17:24.47 | limonjalisciense | ..................... |
| 17:24.56 | stew | !tell limonjalisciense about ig |
| 17:25.26 | lunitik | mc__: etch not edgy... edgy is Ubuntu... |
| 17:25.47 | CharminTheMoose | in dosemu how do i attach a linux path to a drive letter? |
| 17:25.52 | lunitik | mc__: and sarge not dapper... for similar reasons.... I think you joined the wrong channel |
| 17:26.08 | kml | system is take a long time to prompt for password login and when password is entered it reported time out after 60 seconds, any ideas? |
| 17:26.19 | mc__ | lunitik, nope im both in #ubuntu and #debian |
| 17:26.37 | lunitik | !tell _joey about bpo |
| 17:26.55 | limonjalisciense | ;( |
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| 17:27.20 | _joey | modversion.h is missing |
| 17:27.26 | _joey | which package should I install? |
| 17:27.34 | stew | _joey: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:27.49 | stew | _joey: are you trying to compile something? what? |
| 17:27.53 | lunitik | Its great that they're getting many users to use Linux... but damn... some of those people should NOT be on computers AT ALL |
| 17:27.55 | _joey | yeah |
| 17:28.09 | _joey | rt2500 module |
| 17:28.13 | CharminTheMoose | lunitik:why not? |
| 17:28.20 | _joey | http://abate.veritynet.net/~joey/log |
| 17:28.23 | _joey | the error |
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| 17:28.40 | _joey | dpkg did not return the search |
| 17:28.57 | stew | _joey: you need kenrel headers then, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:29.10 | lunitik | CharminTheMoose: brain issues |
| 17:29.11 | _joey | the headers are installed |
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| 17:29.32 | _joey | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 17:29.36 | CharminTheMoose | lunitik:oh |
| 17:29.50 | _joey | hmm |
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| 17:30.11 | stew | _joey: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386 ; however i'd not be suprised if rt2500 fails to compile with 2.4.27 |
| 17:30.22 | _joey | fscking installed |
| 17:30.45 | _joey | You would not? |
| 17:30.54 | _joey | Ohh, precisely why wouldn't you? |
| 17:31.39 | stew | _joey: becuase iirc rt2500 is relatively new. I wouldn't be suprised if they nether bothered with 2.4 support and decided most people would have 2.6 by then |
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| 17:33.57 | xjkx | how do i know the rpm speed of my hd? |
| 17:34.31 | _joey | a wild guess and wrong presumption |
| 17:34.32 | stew | xjkx: its often printed on the label on the top of the drive |
| 17:34.37 | cahoot | xjkx: hdparm -i |
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| 17:35.57 | xjkx | cahoot, gave me a lot of options :P |
| 17:35.59 | Kim^J | In which Apache config do I set that it shouldn't try to use the apache2-default thing? |
| 17:36.04 | xjkx | stew not opening it |
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| 17:36.47 | xjkx | cahoot, had to say the device, found out now thanks |
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| 17:37.43 | limonjalisciense | what should i do to get help-< |
| 17:38.13 | jelly | how can I use hdparm on SATA disks? |
| 17:38.21 | cahoot | sdparm? |
| 17:38.25 | stew | limonjalisciense: just ask a question if you have one |
| 17:39.05 | jelly | cahoot: er, I want ATA characteristics, not SCSI ones. |
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| 17:39.23 | valdyn | jelly: same way as on ata disks. Just that some features do not make sense |
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| 17:40.04 | lunitik | You couldn't come here without learning a few years ago... now it seems like 3/4 users have brain damage :( |
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| 17:40.22 | jelly | valdyn: well, hdparm gives me "HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" for sda ... etch, custom 2.6.17 kernel |
| 17:40.42 | raghu206 | how to change totem for handling links in MMS protocol |
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| 17:41.16 | valdyn | jelly: when doing what? |
| 17:41.25 | jelly | valdyn: hdparm -i /dev/sda |
| 17:42.04 | valdyn | jelly: that feature doesnt work on sata disks, as it seems |
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| 17:43.01 | cydork | lunitik: too many people coming from ubuntu? |
| 17:43.01 | valdyn | jelly: you dont need -i anyway |
| 17:43.12 | jelly | valdyn: that's a basic ATA command afair... should work. I know that eg. smartd needs additional parameters to use ata passthrough, I wondered if it's the same with hdparm |
| 17:43.34 | valdyn | jelly: nope, hdparm works fine on plain sata |
| 17:43.44 | valdyn | jelly: just not all features, -i is pointless |
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| 17:43.56 | lunitik | cydork: perhaps... seems the old intelligent people have become bored also... |
| 17:43.58 | ayaa | which package does replace devfs in debian ? |
| 17:44.04 | lunitik | ayaa: udev |
| 17:44.30 | ayaa | lunitik, how to do such command so: /etc/rc.d/rc.devfs save /etc/sysconfig |
| 17:44.30 | jelly | valdyn: hmm. I see. -I works, for example. |
| 17:44.56 | ayaa | lunitik, and /etc/rc.d/rc.devfs restore /etc/sysconfig |
| 17:45.55 | lunitik | :S |
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| 17:46.35 | ayaa | lunitik, am trying to build a livecd with this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233 |
| 17:46.43 | lunitik | ayaa: /etc/init.d/udev starts udev if thats what you mean? |
| 17:46.57 | PupenoR | How can I log off a user and still get the .bash_history written to see what the user did ? |
| 17:47.10 | lunitik | !livecd |
| 17:47.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 17:47.29 | stew | ayaa: there is no /etc/sysconfig in debian |
| 17:47.42 | lunitik | ayaa: see the debian live links at the end of that factoid |
| 17:47.48 | valdyn | PupenoR: why is it not written? you you using SIGKILL to log that user off? |
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| 17:48.21 | _joey | dos2unix is needed, which package should I install? |
| 17:48.35 | PupenoR | valdyn: I have not done it, I am just asking how to do it. SIGKILL is -15, right ? |
| 17:48.44 | valdyn | !dos2unix |
| 17:48.44 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
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| 17:49.06 | PupenoR | the user has not logged off yet, is there some way to see what the user is doing ? |
| 17:49.12 | _joey | thanks |
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| 17:50.01 | ayaa | lunitik, or #debian-live on oftc ?? what's that ? |
| 17:50.10 | stew | _joey: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:50.18 | lunitik | !oftc |
| 17:50.18 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
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| 17:51.25 | kozy | hey people, it's not reallu clear to me which dist to use on my production em64t machine. amd64 or pure64? |
| 17:51.45 | chx | i have slight problems with apt-cdrom. i am tyring to add a disc via loop, added the relevant line to fstab, mount -a works, apt-cdrom add -d /mnt works, and then... nothing. apt-get update ignores the cdrom , apt-get install does not install anything |
| 17:51.54 | lunitik | kozy: afaik amd64 IS pure 64bit |
| 17:52.00 | valdyn | kozy: its identical |
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| 17:52.52 | lunitik | em64t = opteron? |
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| 17:53.01 | kozy | mm, so I'll just use amd64 which appears to be more commen |
| 17:53.06 | valdyn | lunitik: pIV |
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| 17:53.34 | valdyn | kozy: its the same |
| 17:53.39 | tolecnal | chx: apt-cdrom -d /mountpoint add |
| 17:53.53 | tolecnal | chx: make sure that apt-cdrom actually reads the index file on the medium |
| 17:53.53 | chx | tolecnal: done. it's in sources.list |
| 17:54.12 | valdyn | lunitik: some xeons are 64bit |
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| 17:54.30 | valdyn | lunitik: could aswell be one of the pentium M based cpu though |
| 17:54.30 | tolecnal | chx: you had options and the command in reverse order (not sure if apt-cdrom copes with that) |
| 17:54.31 | chx | tolecnal: how can I verify that? |
| 17:54.33 | lunitik | valdyn: xeon != pentium |
| 17:54.38 | chx | tolecnal: oh |
| 17:54.54 | tolecnal | chx: well, when you use 'apt-cdrom' it spins up the cd-rom unit and reads the index file :) |
| 17:55.11 | chx | tolecnal: "disc via loop" i have an iso image |
| 17:55.16 | valdyn | lunitik: umm, its even been marketed as P4 Xeon, its the server branch of P4 |
| 17:55.17 | kozy | tnx. My proccesor is from the 2100 xeon series (woodcrest) |
| 17:55.18 | jabka | how can i grep only the filenames from ls -l|grep 11-1 |
| 17:55.35 | chx | tolecnal: and this machine is built to be silent. if you can hear the fujitsu 2.5" disks spinning up... congrats |
| 17:55.35 | tolecnal | chx: ah, sorry.. missed that bit.. but you should still see on screen that it reads the index file |
| 17:55.52 | chx | Reading Package Indexes.... Done |
| 17:55.53 | chx | I see this |
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| 17:56.33 | tolecnal | chx: hmmmmm, odd |
| 17:56.49 | chx | i also see Found 2 package indexes, 0 source indexs, 0 translation indexes and 1 signatures |
| 17:57.32 | Caelum | dh-make-perl++ |
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| 17:57.57 | _joey | which file do I edit to load the module during boot? |
| 17:57.57 | CharminTheMoose | question:I'm trying to make a small boot/root disk.Can anyone tell me what I should include in my /etc directory? |
| 17:58.17 | chx | tolecnal: after being clever enough to install through local network, not being able to continue with this image mounted is slightly maddenning |
| 17:58.26 | chx | tolecnal: i thought the hard part is PXE boot |
| 17:58.47 | tolecnal | chx: I'm baffled.. and yes, the 'hard part' should have been PXE boot :) |
| 17:59.13 | peterS | Caelum: careful how you use that karma operator, you'll start scaring people into thinking there is a perl++ language out there. that could cause nightmares |
| 17:59.16 | tolecnal | chx: cause it seems like it actually has read the index on the mounted iso and added it. |
| 17:59.31 | Caelum | peterS: heh |
| 17:59.33 | chx | tolecnal: which file it is? can i read it by hand to check? |
| 18:00.50 | peterS | Caelum: I've switched to perl#.net though |
| 18:00.57 | abhinay | Does anybody have Sony Ericsson mobile phone ? |
| 18:01.40 | abhinay | how to transfer files to phone memory . it is k750i model |
| 18:01.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:01.41 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:01.44 | cahoot | must a few million |
| 18:01.45 | tarzeau | abhinay: i've got a nokia |
| 18:01.52 | tolecnal | chx: just out of curiosity, how is the source defined in your /etc/sources.list ? |
| 18:02.02 | valdyn | jabka: you should use the 'find' utility for this, parsing ls output correctly _hard_ |
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| 18:02.35 | jabka | valdyn i have read man but i didn;t understand : |
| 18:03.03 | chx | tolecnal: deb cdrom:[.....]/ edgy main restricted (yes, i am doing ubuntu but please do not kill me , apt is common) |
| 18:03.04 | jabka | -anewer tag ? |
| 18:03.15 | abhinay | tarzeau, copy & paste method is not working. how to transfer files then ? |
| 18:03.23 | chx | tolecnal: there are packages in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 18:03.33 | chx | tolecnal: but something is not right... |
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| 18:03.36 | chx | sec |
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| 18:04.25 | _joey | !iw |
| 18:04.28 | _joey | !iwpriv |
| 18:04.50 | amphi | _joey: what about it? |
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| 18:05.57 | kozy | anyone got some experience using xen in sarge? hypervisor and kernel seem to be incompatible. How did you solve it? |
| 18:06.20 | FlopsyPete | I can't dist-upgrade my Testing system. Is there ay way out of this?: 'samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.23c-1) but 3.0.23c-2 is installed' |
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| 18:07.12 | kozy | I ment xen in sarge using backports |
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| 18:07.49 | h3sp4wn | kozy: using xen 3.0.2 ? |
| 18:08.10 | h3sp4wn | kozy: the 2.6.16-2 was broken when I tried it (2.6.16-1 was working) |
| 18:08.18 | kozy | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 18:08.18 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: where'd you get those ? |
| 18:08.18 | chx | tolecnal: :( now i know |
| 18:08.53 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: whadya mean? thats what I get when I try to aptitude dist-upgrade. Has been this way a while. |
| 18:09.20 | h3sp4wn | kozy: Try 2.6.16-1 (you manually need to generate the initrd and add the stuff to the grub menu) |
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| 18:09.39 | h3sp4wn | kozy: Or if there is a backport of xen 3.0.3 try that |
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| 18:09.49 | h3sp4wn | kozy: (the interface changed) |
| 18:10.41 | itchi | amphi: I'm on 2:30 with the battery now. Still miss a bit of power or need to fine tune. I make use of cpufreqd, but that's not enought?? |
| 18:10.51 | tarzeau | abhinay: i've got some infrared adapter |
| 18:10.57 | tarzeau | abhinay: it works great in windows |
| 18:11.21 | abhinay | hmm... |
| 18:11.45 | itchi | amphi: That diabolic thing goes up to 3:30, arg |
| 18:11.47 | abrotman | !info samba etch |
| 18:11.51 | abrotman | !info samba-common etch |
| 18:11.59 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.23c-3 (etch), Packaged size: 3161 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB |
| 18:12.00 | dpkg | samba-common: (Samba common files used by both the server and the client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.23c-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2297 kB, Installed size: 5348 kB |
| 18:12.10 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: aptitude update .. try again |
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| 18:12.22 | itchi | s/diabolic/MS Windows/ |
| 18:12.30 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: will do, thank |
| 18:12.47 | kozy | h3sp4wn: mm, thought I'd tried that. Do you use the em64t variant? |
| 18:13.17 | h3sp4wn | kozy: I use it on etch now (too many issues with that version in backports) |
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| 18:14.32 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: I still get the same problem. Is it because samba-common is wrongly pegged to that specific version? |
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| 18:15.16 | n000b | hi everybody |
| 18:15.17 | h3sp4wn | kozy: I have no need to run an unmodified os (and the paravirtualisation works best) |
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| 18:15.46 | n000b | i'd like to upgrade to libc6 > 2.4-1 |
| 18:15.57 | n000b | is there a repo available? |
| 18:16.12 | itchi | How can i detect i which desktop environment we are? I want to fine tune cpufreq; if gnome; set screensaver to 10 min |
| 18:16.13 | h3sp4wn | n000b: Why ? |
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| 18:16.23 | secher__ | ok, I'm in the process of doing a remote upgrade of stable to etch. |
| 18:16.28 | secher__ | The server is 2500 miles away. The docs from Debian for upgrading from stable to testing mention the initramfs process and kernel upgrades to 2.6, but I can't seem to find any 'gotcha' lists. aptitude reports back that the upgrade of initramfs and the kernel went fine, but is there anythign for which I sould look before restarting system? |
| 18:16.47 | n000b | h3sp4wn: a program depends on libc6 |
| 18:16.57 | stew | secher__: was it previously running 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 18:17.07 | h3sp4wn | n000b: don't try to run ubuntu deb's on debian |
| 18:17.07 | secher | stew: 2.4 |
| 18:17.16 | stew | secher: does it boot off sata? |
| 18:17.27 | secher | yes |
| 18:17.29 | n000b | h3sp4wn: I know |
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| 18:17.54 | secher | stew: you know.. one sec.. lemme check on that for sure. |
| 18:17.58 | stew | n000b: libc6 2.4 isn't in debian |
| 18:18.16 | kozy | h3sp4wn: I need sarge because it wil be in production. If I use 2.6.17-2-xen-amd64 it works but the em64t arch also does not boot. Will need to continue testing I think... |
| 18:18.19 | stew | secher: if it boots of sata, then you need to be aware that /dev/hda->/dev/sda |
| 18:18.21 | n000b | all right than, thank you very much |
| 18:18.44 | secher | stew: WOOT. no, SCSI.. I was told it would be sata, it's not, it's scsi |
| 18:18.59 | stew | secher: ok, that's one major set of gotchas eliminated |
| 18:19.07 | secher | Scsi I'm familiar with.. sata I'm not so familiar with. |
| 18:19.16 | itchi | fluxbox, gnome and xfce use an differents system to start the screensaver and the powermanagement? |
| 18:19.54 | eeyore- | oooh, yeah baby. i got me a custom DSDT table loaded by the kernel :-) now my vacuum cleaner (aka iwill zmax dp with horribly broken bios) has turned quiet, at long last! |
| 18:20.22 | itchi | heh, MS Windows not show me how many time left to charge the battery |
| 18:20.34 | secher | So, since I've got scsi, and aptitude reported back all was well, ought I to be reasonably safe in rebooting? |
| 18:20.39 | eeyore- | fan still kicks on if CPU runs at 2200 - 2400 MHz under load, though ... :-7 |
| 18:20.58 | secher | I just dont' have the $280.00 to ask them to go mucking about rebuilding hte server. |
| 18:21.17 | secher | cause I missed some little detail. |
| 18:21.24 | jabka | when using scp how can i upload to spesifc dir for example im tried to upload by : |
| 18:21.29 | eeyore- | itchi: it may be that the ACPI subsystem doesn't give you that information |
| 18:21.34 | stew | secher: you use grub? |
| 18:21.38 | jabka | scp mha13@debian: shani mha13@scex.sf.net: /home/groups/s/sc/scex/htdocs |
| 18:21.38 | secher | yes. |
| 18:21.40 | shpond | hi |
| 18:22.01 | itchi | eeyore-: Default diabolic installation, i have not touch on that crap :-) |
| 18:22.03 | stew | secher: in any case, a server rebuild shouldn't be necessary, a server reboot might. you should still have your old bootable kernel |
| 18:22.04 | secher | I prefer lilo, but since everyone's moving to grub, I've forced myself to it. |
| 18:22.09 | stew | secher: everything SHOULD be fine |
| 18:22.22 | itchi | eeyore-: Just look a bit, still need to find that refund thing |
| 18:22.27 | eeyore- | what refund? |
| 18:22.28 | stew | secher: you could attempt to use grub-reboot, but that doesn't often work IME |
| 18:25.46 | h3sp4wn | kozy: That particularly kernel you are talking about was not working correctly in etch for me either (as a dom0) |
| 18:30.23 | secher | stew: your 'should' in my book is worth more than most people's 'certainly's. |
| 18:30.24 | itchi | eeyore-: That diabolic os |
| 18:30.24 | secher | so, lets see what happens.. |
| 18:30.24 | stew | secher: hah! :) |
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| 18:30.24 | stew | secher: and since you are running a server on testing now, you win a free subscription to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 18:30.24 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: pegged ? |
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| 18:30.25 | amphi | itchi: sorry, I was abluting - I don't use cpufreqd; I just use the ondemand or powersave governors, 5s hdparm spindown on batt, and some /proc tweaking to allow the hd to stay spun down for up to 10 minutes, power off the external video ouput |
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| 18:30.25 | amphi | itchi: I also have the processor 'under-volted' |
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| 18:30.26 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: err, I wondered if it mistakkenly was depending on a particular fixed version number |
| 18:30.26 | ayaa | am trying to make a bootcd from my debian etch distrib |
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| 18:30.51 | rhakkenn | woOW |
| 18:30.51 | rgsteele | Anybody know of a good reference for setting up a secondary MX record using BIND? |
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| 18:30.51 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: aptitude install samba-common samba |
| 18:30.52 | Feax | how can I make write access for the user feax for /home/eggdrops ? |
| 18:30.52 | itchi | amphi: I have just do it for 30 mins on battery |
| 18:30.52 | Feax | how can I make write access for the user feax for /home/eggdrops ? |
| 18:30.52 | valdyn | amphi: powering down harddisks is not really an energy saver per se, it can even easily increase the hd power usage |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | stew: couldn't you just ban that nick ? |
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| 18:30.53 | Ronin | Feax: #eggdrop is an excellent source of info |
| 18:30.53 | Feax | write access not an eggdrop problem Rockj |
| 18:30.53 | Feax | Ronin |
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| 18:30.54 | amphi | itchi: so you don't know that it's not being wildly optimistic |
| 18:30.54 | Ronin | sure it is |
| 18:30.54 | stew | abrotman: well i dunno. would it be better or worse to have it start joining as a new nick that we dont' recognize |
| 18:30.54 | Ronin | or at least more an eggy problem then a debian one :) |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | stew: depends i suppose :) |
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| 18:30.55 | amphi | valdyn: I understand that spinning up uses more power than just running, but being spun down for 10 minutes at a time must (and appears to) use less power |
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| 18:30.56 | raf256 | debian install (net install) failed, agains what package, what version should I report bug? |
| 18:30.56 | valdyn | amphi: .... if you really spin up that rarely |
| 18:30.57 | stew | raf256: debian-installer |
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| 18:30.57 | Danielss89 | Hii |
| 18:30.58 | Danielss89 | what do i need to install to get php's mail() to work? its debian 3.1 |
| 18:30.58 | raf256 | stew: and version? the problem is that the code do scan APT miror (wget) fails to timeout and hangs infinatelly, I even can't kill it (kill -9 PID only makes it respawn again) |
| 18:30.58 | amphi | valdyn: I have a lot of ram, so I have a large file cache, and depending on what I'm doing, obviously, it does stay spun down for that long |
| 18:30.58 | Ronin | not really a bug though now is it raf256 |
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| 18:30.59 | raf256 | Ronin: I dont understand, what? |
| 18:30.59 | itchi | amphi: On the pappers, there's also noted that the battery live 3:30, so i have trust that diabolic thing. But right, i gona test it completely, like i need to know and test out that the laptop shutdown autoamatically too. |
| 18:30.59 | amphi | itchi: but you should note valdyn's point; frequent spinning up is the worst |
| 18:30.59 | Lukian | net-install is stuck on "Configure the Package Manager" testing rev4rc1. |
| 18:30.59 | Lukian | suggestions? |
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| 18:30.59 | raf256 | Ronin: when for some reason given mirro doesnt work then installer hangs instead allowing to try other mirror |
| 18:30.59 | Lukian | or can I just skip this step? |
| 18:31.05 | amphi | itchi: you have a lower-power hibernate set up? |
| 18:31.08 | stew | raf256: you don't have to supply a version pseudo-header, just make it clear exactly what version of the installer and where you downloaded it from in the body of the bug report |
| 18:31.13 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: with install samba etc I get: 'invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' and 'dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102' |
| 18:31.31 | n00rul | Danielss89: I think you need sendmail client |
| 18:31.38 | itchi | amphi: I think not, like i not know about it |
| 18:31.53 | itchi | amphi: Is that the long sleep mode ? |
| 18:32.01 | stew | raf256: or it looks like others have put stuff like "etch daily build from 2006-11-08" in the version pseudo header |
| 18:32.11 | amphi | itchi: I have an acpi script that suspends-to-disk when the battery reaches 5% or so |
| 18:32.13 | Danielss89 | n00rul okey, should i just google sendmail client? |
| 18:32.35 | amphi | itchi: eternal sleep, if you want - full power down |
| 18:33.05 | epsilon | I receaved phpmyadmin 4:2.6.2-3sarge3 from security.debia.org, but I see no DSA? |
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| 18:33.14 | epsilon | what was fixed? |
| 18:33.30 | Feax | how can I make write access for the user /home/feax for /home/eggdrops ? |
| 18:33.46 | itchi | amphi: That long sleep, is an extra non needed option; but i should test it just to see :-) In that diabolic thing it sleep for 70 days; Crazy, like if i not go for 70 days on my lappy?? ;-) |
| 18:34.19 | amphi | itchi: suspend-to-disk is fully powered down, so there's no time limit |
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| 18:34.28 | stew | !wikifaq Feax Permissions |
| 18:34.28 | dpkg | Feax: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:34.33 | itchi | amphi: That diabolic thing spins the stuff many down; that will be are the reason i guess |
| 18:34.38 | amphi | itchi: suspend to disk is very useful IMHO |
| 18:34.55 | itchi | amphi: Yeah? man, everyday im on the laptop :-p |
| 18:35.34 | itchi | amphi: Goes you away for 70 days of the laptop? |
| 18:35.34 | amphi | itchi: yeah, that's the equiv of 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' I expect |
| 18:35.49 | amphi | itchi: no, but I use suspend-to-disk from time to time |
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| 18:36.29 | itchi | amphi: Heh, now i understand why that book of /proc i saw in the shop was so big |
| 18:36.42 | amphi | itchi: is your laptop a toshiba a100? |
| 18:36.58 | itchi | amphi: A110-178 |
| 18:37.23 | amphi | itchi: there are quite good docs for /proc in the kernel Documentation directory |
| 18:37.38 | itchi | amphi: ug |
| 18:37.48 | amphi | ug? |
| 18:38.26 | itchi | amphi: Yeah ;-) Sorry, i go look to it now, man, missing some things here ;-) How these guys here know so much about it?? ;-) |
| 18:39.08 | itchi | amphi: In which tree exactly? |
| 18:39.26 | itchi | Maybe it's not installed here?? |
| 18:39.32 | amphi | itchi: in Documentation/fs IIRC, in the kernel source tree |
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| 18:40.37 | itchi | I should add me to the source group, if i remember? |
| 18:40.50 | itchi | Like the kernel source is not yet extracted also |
| 18:41.14 | itchi | Or is that right to extract that as root user? |
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| 18:41.37 | MeepZero | hey guys, does anyone around know anything about hylafax? |
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| 18:42.48 | stew | MeepZero: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 18:43.52 | Flimqy | If I wanted to generate a massive amount of short/emtpy e-mail messages to bombard my mail server with for stress testing purposes, what would be the easiest way to do this? |
| 18:44.06 | Feax | how can I make write access for the user /home/feax for /home/eggdrops ? |
| 18:44.24 | stew | !wikifaq Feax Permissions |
| 18:44.24 | dpkg | Feax: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:44.27 | Ronin | Feax: did you real the url that dpkg told you |
| 18:44.41 | Feax | yes but I don't understand |
| 18:44.46 | Flimqy | Feax: 1) /home/feax isn't a user |
| 18:44.46 | Ronin | Flimqy: set up a windows machine ;) |
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| 18:44.54 | stew | Flimqy: for a in $(seq 1 1000) ; do echo $a | mail -s "Some Subject" flimqy@domain.com ; done |
| 18:44.55 | Flimqy | Feax: 2) man chmod/chown |
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| 18:45.16 | Flimqy | stew: that ought to work. thanks |
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| 18:45.45 | Flimqy | I think I need to set up DNS. Blah. |
| 18:45.53 | Feax | how can I add a user to a group ? |
| 18:45.54 | Danielss89 | hmm does this mean that send mail is installed? http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2375 |
| 18:46.02 | stew | Feax: if you dont' understand how to use chmod / chown after reading the FAQ page, please ask specific questions about the parts that are confusing you |
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| 18:46.45 | stew | Danielss89: no, that means it wouldn't install sendmail becuase exim is already installed. why aren't you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 18:46.49 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: so did it work or not ? |
| 18:46.51 | Feax | how can I add a user to a group ? |
| 18:47.03 | stew | Feax: adduser username groupname |
| 18:47.07 | Danielss89 | hehe would that help stew? |
| 18:47.15 | abrotman | MeepZero: i have a hylafax server here ... |
| 18:47.24 | abrotman | and i know the docs suck |
| 18:47.27 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: you must have missed what I posted, it failed on this: 'invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' and 'dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102' |
| 18:47.30 | stew | Danielss89: yes. "aptitude install sendmail" (or apt-get instead of aptitude) would work |
| 18:47.52 | Feax | stew: why adduser Feax eggdrops don't work ? |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: remove the dangling link |
| 18:48.25 | stew | Feax: does if give you an error message? is there a user named "Feax" (and not feax)? is there a grou named "eggdrops" (and not eggdrop)? |
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| 18:49.01 | Flimqy | Well alrighty. I need something faster than 'fakemail' to retrieve my empty e-mail messages |
| 18:49.05 | Danielss89 | stew : http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2376 <-- i wont remove all those packeges |
| 18:49.25 | Nico | Hello everybody, when i type "apt-get install tremulous", he said me that he can't found tremulous data, is there a way to install tremulous from the apt ? |
| 18:49.36 | Feax | stew: I want tthe user feax to have write access in /home/eggdrops (eggdrops is a user) but adduser feax eggdrops don't give write acces to feax to /home/eggdrops :s |
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| 18:49.49 | tralala | Nico, /msg dpkg search |
| 18:50.19 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: that told it! thanks. (I jsut got this error but it still worked: update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc3.d/K09samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba or /etc/init.d/sa) |
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| 18:51.03 | stew | Danielss89: it looks like aptitude wants to remove apache2 for some other, unrelated reason, i'd recommend you run "aptitude install sendmail apache2 libapache2-mod-php4" or use the aptitude frontend (type aptitude by itself) to sort this out |
| 18:51.22 | Flimqy | Does anyone know of an MTA that can be easily configured to quickly discard all incoming e-mail? |
| 18:51.44 | Danielss89 | stew i dont want to delete anything that do so my webpage wont work:s |
| 18:51.58 | asg | Flimqy: erm, then why run one? |
| 18:52.08 | Flimqy | asg: stress testing |
| 18:52.21 | stew | Danielss89: or use apt-get which isn't smart enough to try to automatically remove packages in the first place |
| 18:52.24 | Flimqy | asg: I'm trying to pipe as much mail as possible thru a test server, which then relays it to a smart host. |
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| 18:52.29 | Flimqy | i want the smart host to take the mail and discard it. |
| 18:52.41 | asg | Flimqy: exim can be easily configured to route all mail to /dev/null or some other file. |
| 18:52.47 | Flimqy | okay |
| 18:53.18 | Feax | how can I set a directory to chmod drwxr-xr-x ? |
| 18:53.34 | Flimqy | Feax: man chmod already. |
| 18:53.35 | Ronin | Feax: man chmod |
| 18:53.43 | Ronin | or google |
| 18:53.50 | Feax | I don't understand that's why I ask ! |
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| 18:53.54 | asg | Tell Flimqy about permissions |
| 18:53.56 | asg | bah |
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| 18:54.01 | asg | !tell Flimqy about permissions |
| 18:54.04 | Flimqy | !tell Feax about permissions |
| 18:54.08 | Flimqy | I already know about permissions :P |
| 18:54.09 | Ronin | asg: wrong f nick |
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| 18:54.17 | stew | Feax: note that when you add a user to a group, that user doesn't get the new group privileges until the user logs out and back in |
| 18:54.24 | asg | Ronin: yeah, low latency link :/ grmbl |
| 18:54.35 | Feax | stew: okay |
| 18:54.43 | Danielss89 | OMG thers many dependencies stew, isnt there a package with all those things? http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2377 |
| 18:55.08 | Feax | why chmod drwxr-xr-x eggdrops don't work ? |
| 18:55.09 | stew | Danielss89: you cannot mix testing and stable safely |
| 18:55.24 | n00rul | Danielss89: I think exim can also work along with PHP mail |
| 18:56.00 | stew | Danielss89: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ? |
| 18:56.20 | Koos | Does anyone has any experiences with debian and virtualisations? |
| 18:56.27 | Danielss89 | libc6: |
| 18:56.27 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.27 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.27 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.27 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.37 | Danielss89 | damn |
| 18:56.40 | stew | Danielss89: please use a pastebin in the future |
| 18:56.44 | Feax | why chmod drwxr-xr-x eggdrops don't work ? |
| 18:56.45 | Danielss89 | it should have pasted the url for pastebin |
| 18:57.11 | Feax | stew: please :s |
| 18:57.17 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2378 <-- there we go stew |
| 18:57.19 | n00rul | Danielss89: follow this link http://us2.php.net/mail |
| 18:57.31 | n00rul | Danielss89: In that html page search for exim |
| 18:57.33 | stew | Danielss89: you are running testing, not stable, so you are running into dependency problems trying to install stable packages |
| 18:57.39 | dendrite | Feax: chmod is a command you REALLY need to understand before you run it. man chmod. |
| 18:57.42 | stew | Danielss89: you need to finish upgrading to testing or reinstall stable |
| 18:57.56 | n00rul | Danielss89: I think in your php code you need to set sendmail_path = /path/to/exim -t |
| 18:57.57 | Feax | dendrite: I DID BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I ASK |
| 18:58.01 | Feax | .. |
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| 18:58.11 | Danielss89 | stew whats best? |
| 18:58.18 | amphi | Feax: the info pages for chmod are more, er, informative |
| 18:58.22 | Danielss89 | n00rul oki, ill check it out |
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| 18:58.47 | stew | Danielss89: i'd certainly not recommend running testing on a publicly exposed server |
| 18:58.59 | Feax | amphi: what is the command for that, I want to understand with example |
| 18:59.14 | Ronin | Feax: info chmod |
| 18:59.21 | Danielss89 | stew oki, but if im going to reinstall with stable, would that take a long time? |
| 18:59.31 | Ronin | oops |
| 18:59.35 | stew | Danielss89: depends on your network connection |
| 18:59.41 | Karamon | Hello, I'm transferring files over samba from a windows to the debian server its running on, when you transfer files in this manner is it sent directly to the partition that it belongs to, or is it copied from the system drive (or a partiular directory) then transferred to the destination? |
| 18:59.46 | stew | Danielss89: what caused you to start upgrading to testing in the first place? |
| 18:59.48 | Feax | Ronin: stop reapet i did that I don"t understand |
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| 19:00.16 | Ronin | Feax: then best read it again and google and read |
| 19:00.42 | Feax | Ronin: why chmod drwxr-xr-x eggdrops don't work N |
| 19:00.43 | stew | Feax: if you want to explicity specify the permissions for a file/directory you'd have to convert it to octal (like 775 or 755 or 640...) |
| 19:00.44 | Feax | please.. |
| 19:00.45 | dendrite | Feax: When reading man pages, it's not enough to skim. It takes some getting used to, and some thought. Please take the time to understand what you're doing. Also, maybe google for an introduction to UN*X permissions. |
| 19:01.12 | Danielss89 | stew well, at first im newbie, so i got this virtual server becouse my website took to much traffic on the ordinary webhotel... anyway i wanted to install webmin so i ran apt-get -f install and it deleted allmost everything, so that apache end mysql didnt work, and then i just installed a lot of things to get it to work... i dont know much about debian, so what am i going to do now? |
| 19:01.15 | Feax | ok stew thanks |
| 19:01.17 | dendrite | Feax: Last night I spend an hour trying to help someone who ran chmod without knowing what they were doing. It made quite a mess! |
| 19:01.42 | dendrite | Waste of an hour, too.... |
| 19:01.54 | stew | Feax: if you want to specify stuff like rxw using letters instead of octal you have to use the ugoa+-rwx forms to add/remove specific permissions from specific classes of users |
| 19:02.25 | stew | Danielss89: you wont' find webmin in testing at all, btw |
| 19:02.38 | Feax | dendrite: osef |
| 19:02.41 | Karamon | Is there a tool or utility that allows you to see how disk usage is distributed? I'm running out of disk space on a debian server and need to find what is taking up all the space. |
| 19:02.49 | Feax | stew: and how to convert this ? |
| 19:02.50 | dendrite | Feax: osef? |
| 19:02.55 | stew | Danielss89: if you are a self proclaimed newbie then i'd definately very strongly recommend you stick to stable for a server |
| 19:03.06 | n00rul | Danielss89: I would recommend you to wait till etch comes |
| 19:03.10 | n00rul | and then install etch |
| 19:03.25 | n00rul | If it is business critical then you can degrade to sarge |
| 19:03.37 | dendrite | Oxfordshire Social Enterprise Forum? Overseas Student Enrolment Form ??? |
| 19:03.43 | Lukian | I need the kernel and initrd lines from grubs menu.lst after an install of debian (3.1 rev4rc1) |
| 19:03.43 | Danielss89 | im very newbie stew;) i know how to optain a package with wget and how to install... and thats it |
| 19:03.51 | Lukian | It didn't add itself to grub for some reason :/ |
| 19:03.59 | Feax | 1111101101 -> how to convert that in binary for chmod ? |
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| 19:04.07 | n00rul | Danielss89: You dont need wget. Learn apt-get |
| 19:04.09 | Danielss89 | n00rul yes, i have a website with a lot of users which is kind a important |
| 19:04.11 | stew | Feax: that is binary, you'd just have to convert it to octal |
| 19:04.14 | n00rul | Danielss89: Read apt-get manual |
| 19:04.24 | Feax | stew: yes but how to ? |
| 19:04.40 | n00rul | Danielss89: Now what is the situation? Is it only the problem with php mail |
| 19:05.06 | stew | Feax: type "0b1111101101 in octal" into google, but i think you probably have too many 1s at the front |
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| 19:05.15 | stew | Danielss89: you don't want to download pacakges with wget. you want to stick to using apt-get or aptitude |
| 19:05.23 | Feax | stew: too many 1s ? |
| 19:05.24 | Danielss89 | yes, ive got mysql and php to work, theres another problem also with the speed of the server.. its very slowly when ive got over 50 users online at the same time.. |
| 19:05.26 | Feax | what is this |
| 19:05.26 | n00rul | Karamon: du -Hs |
| 19:05.49 | stew | Feax: i'm guessing you really want 111101101 not 1111101101 |
| 19:05.55 | Karamon | n00rul: Thankyou |
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| 19:06.17 | Feax | stew: drwxr-xr-x = 1111101101 no ? |
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| 19:06.30 | n00rul | Danielss89: may be you need to tweak apache or mysql |
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| 19:06.42 | n00rul | Danielss89: find out which is creating problem |
| 19:06.57 | itchi | Reading the man hdparm, for the option -B What mean aggresive power management? That he give lesse power? So hdparm -B 1 to preserve the power consumption? |
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| 19:07.06 | Karamon | n00rul: Just so you know -- du: WARNING: use --si, not -H; the meaning of the -H option will soon change to be the same as that of --dereference-args (-D) |
| 19:07.07 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 19:07.11 | stew | Feax: no, 1111101101 is drwxr-xr-t |
| 19:07.24 | dendrite | Feax: The largest binary number that can be represented as a single octal token is 111. That is, octal represents groups of three bits. You need *three* groups of three bits... or 9 bits, not 10. |
| 19:07.28 | Feax | stew: how do you convert ? |
| 19:07.32 | eeyore- | why don't you just turn off atime updates? |
| 19:07.51 | eeyore- | that will stop the drive from being written to (no access time updates) and hence no stop/start ... |
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| 19:08.09 | Danielss89 | n000b its funny, if i open a new browser and go too my site the first page is long time loading but when its loaded and i hurry clicking on other links its very fast, but if i wait 5-10 seconds on a page and then click on a link its slow, and when the site its loading and i click on its fast.. and thats just keeps going on |
| 19:08.11 | yoo | Hi ! i try to burn DVD with growisof and crontab |
| 19:08.13 | yoo | growisofs -Z $DEVICE -R -V "Backup-$DATE" /sauvegarde/BACKUP |
| 19:08.18 | yoo | but i have an error |
| 19:08.28 | yoo | FATAL: /dev/hdc already carries isofs ! |
| 19:08.43 | yoo | but when i burn with the same script without crontab |
| 19:08.48 | yoo | all is OK |
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| 19:08.51 | n00rul | Karamon: du -Hs * |
| 19:08.51 | Feax | stew: please drwxr-xr-x in chmod please... I need it... |
| 19:08.54 | yoo | What's the problem , |
| 19:09.00 | Danielss89 | n00rul^^ |
| 19:09.01 | yoo | ? |
| 19:09.03 | tralala | yoo, perhaps you should try with a blank disc |
| 19:09.09 | stew | Feax: take the 1/0s in groups of 3, starting from the right. 101 is 5 (1*4 + 0*2 + 1*1), so the 5 is the "other" permission, the next three from the right are also 101 == 5 which represents the group permission., the next three are 111 which is 7 which represents teh owners permission, then next three are 001 which is 1, which represents the user sticky bit |
| 19:09.16 | eeyore- | tralala: or one that hasn't been closed |
| 19:09.23 | Kevin` | yoo, perhaps you want it to be a multisession disk? |
| 19:09.24 | yoo | tralala, my DVD already have data |
| 19:09.47 | yoo | and my DVD is restricted overwrite mode |
| 19:09.50 | stew | Feax: you don't want to set the sticky bit |
| 19:09.54 | yoo | so ican do that |
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| 19:10.13 | Feax | hmm okay stew but how you know drwxr-xr-x is 111101101 ? |
| 19:10.48 | dendrite | Feax: Ignore the 'd' at the left end. A dash '-' is zero, anything else (rwx) is a 1 |
| 19:10.53 | Kevin` | yoo you want the -M option instead of -Z to continue a disk |
| 19:10.58 | asg | Feax: he just told you |
| 19:11.00 | n00rul | Danielss89: do you have pages that doesnt use mysql |
| 19:11.09 | n00rul | Danielss89: Try visiting them and see the difference |
| 19:11.13 | itchi | eeyore-: Was that msg to me ^^ |
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| 19:11.14 | Danielss89 | hmm |
| 19:11.20 | Danielss89 | i have phpinfo:D |
| 19:11.34 | n00rul | dont use that |
| 19:11.43 | Danielss89 | :D |
| 19:11.44 | n00rul | Danielss89: try to load static page |
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| 19:11.47 | stew | Feax: read permission = 4, write permission = 2, execute permission = 1, so rwx is 4+2+1 = 7 |
| 19:11.57 | Karamon | n00rul: Someone put a bunch of crap in their home folder, thanks for the du command :) |
| 19:12.12 | yoo | Kevin, i retry without crontab just manually |
| 19:12.26 | n00rul | Danielss89: this way you may be able to find out whether the problem is created by apache or mysql |
| 19:12.35 | n00rul | Karamon: dont mention |
| 19:12.41 | Danielss89 | oki |
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| 19:13.09 | yoo | Kevin`, without crontab is OK |
| 19:13.11 | Zesty | is there a command or application which will tell me my ram type (DDR, DDR2 etc)? |
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| 19:13.16 | Lukian | Can someone help me configure Grub's menu.lst after debian setup failed to add it's own entry? |
| 19:13.19 | Karamon | n00rul: Are you aware of a site that lists common console programs and commands that I could use as a refrence instead of clogging up the channel? |
| 19:13.19 | yoo | very strange problem |
| 19:13.24 | stew | Zesty: dmidecode maybe |
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| 19:13.58 | stew | Lukian: run "update-grub" make sure that update-grub is listed in preinst and postinst lines in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 19:14.01 | Danielss89 | n00rul look for your self - http://www.pottersiden.dk/test.php <-- it must be apache |
| 19:14.05 | eeyore- | Karamon: "Linux in a nutshell" book? |
| 19:14.19 | Feax | re stew I am added to the group eggdrops I logged out and come back bhut I have no longer the write acces... |
| 19:14.25 | Karamon | eeyore-: I was hoping for a online resource but that is good to know :) |
| 19:14.25 | yoo | Kevin`, perhaps solution is that : |
| 19:14.26 | yoo | http://www.mail-archive.com/cdwrite@other.debian.org/msg09509.html |
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| 19:14.34 | Lukian | stew: from the debian install or the existing (ubuntu) install on there? |
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| 19:14.42 | yoo | can you tell me that this solution tell |
| 19:14.50 | Zesty | Thanks stew, that did the trick :) |
| 19:14.51 | yoo | i don't understand all in english |
| 19:14.54 | yoo | i'm french people |
| 19:14.56 | n00rul | Danielss89: yes I too think so |
| 19:15.02 | Kevin` | yoo hmm my right and middle mouse button here isn't working, so I can't look at it :) |
| 19:15.02 | n00rul | Danielss89: It must be apache |
| 19:15.14 | stew | Feax: good, that's what you asked for, drwxr-xr-x is only write access for owner, not group |
| 19:15.16 | yoo | bad news |
| 19:15.16 | n00rul | Danielss89: can you create a simple html file |
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| 19:15.20 | yoo | :) |
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| 19:15.31 | n00rul | Danielss89: which doesnt use any php code |
| 19:15.34 | Feax | stew: what is write access only for feax and owner ? |
| 19:15.46 | Danielss89 | n00rul http://pottersiden.dk/test.html |
| 19:15.51 | Kevin` | it's a mac - I had those buttons mapped to the keyboard, but that stopped working a little while ago for some reason |
| 19:16.02 | n00rul | Karamon: rute's linux tutorial |
| 19:16.04 | yoo | ok :) |
| 19:16.06 | stew | !wikifaq Feax Permissions |
| 19:16.07 | dpkg | Feax: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:16.14 | Feax | stew: I read that |
| 19:16.14 | Danielss89 | its slow also n00rul |
| 19:16.24 | n00rul | yes I can see |
| 19:16.31 | stew | Feax: read it again. the questions you are asking are answered very very clearly, right at the top |
| 19:16.32 | n00rul | that means something wrong with apache |
| 19:16.36 | Feax | stew: drwxr-xrwx it is that ? |
| 19:16.38 | n00rul | or the network |
| 19:16.48 | SmallR2003 | ugh, irc is almost dead today |
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| 19:17.16 | Danielss89 | but try going here: http://pottersiden.dk and when its loaded click around in the menu at right, just click on a link, wait for the page to load and click on another... you see how fast it is then... then try wait a minute and click on a link, then its slow |
| 19:17.20 | stew | Feax: nope |
| 19:17.43 | Danielss89 | n00rul^^ |
| 19:17.43 | Feax | stew: why ? |
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| 19:17.45 | stew | *sigh* |
| 19:17.45 | n00rul | Danielss89: I think it is the connection |
| 19:17.51 | Feax | stew: please... help.. |
| 19:18.00 | stew | Feax: please. help yourself |
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| 19:18.05 | n00rul | Danielss89: I am just trying to do a telnet to that site on port 80 |
| 19:18.14 | n00rul | Danielss89: It is not at all connection |
| 19:18.15 | stew | Feax: i've typed out like half the page for you already |
| 19:18.17 | Feax | Stevie-O: r=read w=write x=execute so it is that ? |
| 19:18.21 | n00rul | *connecting |
| 19:18.24 | stew | Feax: yes |
| 19:18.33 | Feax | why you say it is not that so ? |
| 19:18.54 | Danielss89 | hehe no n00rul the connection is very good isnt it:D |
| 19:18.58 | stew | Feax: i do not say it is not that so. |
| 19:19.05 | Feax | stew: please... |
| 19:19.47 | andax | I've installed apache-ssl (apt-get install apache-ssl) then uncommented the "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" lines in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf then restarted it, and still it offers php files for download instead of executing them. (normal apache works with php) where should I stat looking for the the problem? (sarge) |
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| 19:20.00 | stew | Feax: ok, hang on. i'll draw a diagram that will make it more clear |
| 19:20.09 | Feax | ok stew thanks a lot |
| 19:20.33 | stew | Feax: http://paste.debian.net/16702 |
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| 19:20.44 | eeyore- | stew: :-) |
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| 19:21.06 | itchi | amphi: That's the hdparm -S ? |
| 19:21.34 | Danielss89 | n00rul pm |
| 19:21.48 | n00rul | Danielss89: I dont see any difference. Always clow |
| 19:21.50 | n00rul | *slow |
| 19:22.01 | Danielss89 | weird |
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| 19:22.04 | Feax | stew: that is what there is in the wiki |
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| 19:22.43 | stew | Feax: yeah |
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| 19:23.40 | Feax | stew: drwxr-xrwx is good so for all users can write in ? |
| 19:23.52 | n00rul | Danielss89: Are you running phpmyadmin? |
| 19:24.05 | stew | Feax: yes, which is a bad idea. you only want to give owner and group write access |
| 19:24.06 | Danielss89 | yes n00rul |
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| 19:25.23 | Feax | stew: it is a PC so... but when I chmod that that d'ont work I have not the write access |
| 19:25.38 | n00rul | Danielss89: |
| 19:25.47 | daqqal | hey guys, when i scp a file to my debian box, it takes up a lot of memory away from my debian box but does not release it when the file is done copying, if i copy a few files then i run out of memory on the receiving box and it locks up |
| 19:25.50 | n00rul | Danielss89: I think there is some problem with apache |
| 19:26.01 | Danielss89 | oki.. what should i do n00rul? |
| 19:26.18 | pumpkin0 | daqqal: do you copy into a ramfs ? |
| 19:26.36 | daqqal | pumpkin0: no |
| 19:26.40 | andax | daqqal, that's a known bug, use a custom kernel with grsec enabled, it will take care of freeing up the ram |
| 19:26.42 | stew | Feax: what does "ls -ld /home/eggdrops" say? what does "groups" say? |
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| 19:27.00 | Feax | stew: drwxr-xrwx 4 eggdrops eggdrops 4096 2006-11-15 19:37 /home/eggdrops |
| 19:27.09 | pumpkin0 | andax: which kernels are affected ? |
| 19:27.15 | daqqal | andax: where is the grsec option in menuconfig |
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| 19:27.50 | Feax | stew: how can I make all the sub directories this chmod ? |
| 19:28.06 | Lukian | stew: how do I boot into debian (using grub or the install cd) in order to configure menu.lst? |
| 19:28.12 | andax | daqqal, you have to build a custom kernel, get the sources from ftp.kernel.org then patch it with grsec (www.grsecurity.org) , and it will fix the out-of-memory-after-3-files bug |
| 19:28.29 | stew | Feax: if you want to know how to chmod recursivly, "man chmod" |
| 19:28.33 | daqqal | andax: ah ok, thanx |
| 19:28.36 | Feax | stew: chmod -R ? |
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| 19:28.47 | andax | that's an old bug that no one seems to care about, but grsec set to "medium" level will fix that |
| 19:28.53 | andax | or at least eliminate the problem |
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| 19:29.02 | n00rul | Danielss89: may be you need to look at the logs. You ay get some information |
| 19:29.22 | stew | Feax: i'd reiterate that you don't want those permissions on /home/eggdrops, you want group write permission, not other write permission |
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| 19:29.38 | daqqal | andax: nice, so i can go with the newest kernel then 2.6.19 came out this morning i think |
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| 19:30.00 | andax | daqqal, grsecurity supports only up to 2.6.18 you'll have to go with that |
| 19:30.07 | Lukian | oh, nm, it's seems hda5 is actually hd(0,4) |
| 19:30.10 | daqqal | andax: ah ok, thanx |
| 19:30.15 | Lukian | *sigh* ;p |
| 19:30.47 | Feax | stew: it is good, thanks for help and patience |
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| 19:31.36 | sandman | 28876 s 15 0 540m 104m 16m S 0.0 10.3 0:53.97 nautilus |
| 19:31.37 | cap | How can I reset a Debian system? Uninstall everything except the base? |
| 19:31.42 | sandman | 540m? Is this normal? |
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| 19:32.05 | pumpkin0 | cap: definie "reset" ? |
| 19:32.28 | andax | cap, by reinstalling it :)) |
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| 19:32.30 | cap | pumpkin0, as I said, uninstall everything except the base system. Any idea? |
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| 19:32.46 | andax | or use dpkg -l and start purging the packages |
| 19:32.54 | tralala | cap, backup, reinstall base, restore |
| 19:32.55 | cap | andax, remote vserver. Reinstalling is not an option and it's pretty lame. :P |
| 19:33.07 | pumpkin0 | cap: you can uninstall and reinstall everything but still have the rootkit ticking away under your system ... |
| 19:33.15 | andax | using debian is lame itself |
| 19:33.17 | Flimqy | Anyone have any idea how to get smail to dump all inboud email to /dev/null? |
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| 19:33.28 | blondie | cap: why do you wnat to? |
| 19:33.33 | blondie | andax: get out! |
| 19:33.35 | cap | andax, I am an NetBSD user actually. |
| 19:33.57 | andax | cap, then you know what i'm talking about :) |
| 19:33.58 | Flimqy | sandman: It doesn't look abnormal. |
| 19:34.00 | cap | andax, and trolling is even more lame. |
| 19:34.14 | andax | dunno what 'trolling' means sorry not a native.. |
| 19:34.16 | rgsteele | andax: Why would you say that in #debian? If you want to troll, go to efnet |
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| 19:34.26 | rgsteele | I hear it's full of 'em |
| 19:34.34 | andax | okay so trolling means something negative lol |
| 19:34.46 | cap | andax, trolling is wasting time talking shit not changin the situation. :P |
| 19:34.58 | blondie | cap: why do you want to uninstall nearly everything? |
| 19:35.00 | beardy | andax: When not in a boat, yes. |
| 19:35.02 | itchi | From a scrip, how can i easy add an line in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 19:35.02 | andax | oh okay i guess i better shut up then :) |
| 19:35.15 | pumpkin0 | cap: bbut to your problem: why do you want to reset the system ? What is not working ? |
| 19:35.17 | blondie | itchi: you want to talk to syslogd |
| 19:35.33 | rgsteele | andax: I only came in twoards the end of this, but you might want to look into something like Tripwire or chkrootkit |
| 19:35.43 | infernix | itchi: man logger |
| 19:35.48 | rgsteele | Debian's got packages for both |
| 19:35.53 | cap | blondie, because I have many, many unneeded packages and need the disk space. |
| 19:35.56 | itchi | Thanks :-) |
| 19:36.04 | blondie | cap: right |
| 19:36.11 | pumpkin0 | cap: tha is the prime example for "deborphan" |
| 19:36.15 | cap | pumpkin0, I actually want to switch to another package system, pkgsrc. |
| 19:36.28 | blondie | cap: that's forbidden |
| 19:36.34 | rgsteele | cap: Why? |
| 19:36.35 | abrotman | that's silly |
| 19:36.50 | pumpkin0 | cap: can you create a 2. partition and bootstrap the package system in there ? Or a loop-device ? |
| 19:37.21 | tarzeau | !remove gnome |
| 19:37.21 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 19:37.26 | cap | pumpkin0, no, it's a vserver. |
| 19:37.27 | tarzeau | !remove kde |
| 19:37.27 | dpkg | remove kde is probably apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
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| 19:38.20 | cap | blondie, why should it be forbidden? :-) |
| 19:38.24 | andax | how do I tell apt to leave my custom compiled sshd server alone and don't try to "upgrade" it to an older version? or better how do I tell it to leave custom compiled stuff alone? |
| 19:38.29 | pumpkin0 | cap: i can create loop-devices on my vserver-account ... |
| 19:38.29 | blondie | cap: use apt/dpkg. it's the law. |
| 19:38.33 | asg | andax: /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:38.37 | andax | thanks |
| 19:38.38 | cap | blondie, no. |
| 19:38.46 | blondie | cap: don't use debian then |
| 19:38.52 | blondie | and certainly don't come here for help with it! |
| 19:39.21 | blondie | (when you screw everything up) |
| 19:39.33 | andax | wow apt rocks |
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| 19:39.37 | tralala | !beer blondie |
| 19:39.45 | h3sp4wn | cap: If you want to use that you might be better off with slackware |
| 19:40.01 | cap | blondie, I didn't screw up everything, but you can as well say right away you don't know how to uninstall everything except the base system. It's simplier saying "I don't know" than trolling. |
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| 19:40.24 | cap | h3sp4wn, that was not the point. |
| 19:40.25 | infernix | cap: run dselect and purge as much as it will allow, and you're done. good luck |
| 19:40.32 | sandman | Flimqy: Why does it take up so much space? |
| 19:40.42 | tralala | cap, either everybody here's trolling you or the other way around |
| 19:40.47 | Flimqy | sandman: huh? |
| 19:40.54 | cap | tralala, probably. |
| 19:41.08 | cap | infernix, okay. |
| 19:41.19 | stew | cap: if you want to remove lots and lots of packages, i'd recommend running "aptitude" with no arguments. if you want to try to systematically uninstall unused software to free up space, i'd recommend "debfoster" or "deborphan" |
| 19:41.19 | njkt | hi, is the AMD Turion64 (x2) processor (for laptops) covered under amd64 when choosing which "flavor" to download (as opposed to i386)? |
| 19:41.21 | infernix | cap: and dont purge important or essential package |
| 19:41.23 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: his nautilus-bin is 540 MB big ... |
| 19:41.26 | Flimqy | sandman: Oh. |
| 19:41.33 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: you could purge them both and reinstall them both |
| 19:41.51 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: though that'd wipe out your config files |
| 19:41.55 | blondie | njkt: both will work |
| 19:42.00 | infernix | njkt: should be K8 i guess, yea |
| 19:42.03 | Flimqy | sandman: For one thing, 104m of that is shared... |
| 19:42.39 | Flimqy | sandman: For another thing, nautilus is probably controlling a lot of windows, and thus has a huge amount of meta data loaded. |
| 19:42.47 | Flimqy | sandman: Note: I think natilus is evil, and refuse to use it. |
| 19:42.49 | njkt | ok, was having issues earlier when using it and the system would freeze. Will try i386 i guess if that will work as well, just need to rebuild the kernel heh |
| 19:43.05 | cap | stew and infernix, thanks you two, I'll try that. Some people here might learn a lesson from you! |
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| 19:43.20 | blondie | cap: insolence is not welcome here! |
| 19:43.38 | cap | blondie, but trolling is? |
| 19:43.47 | cap | :) |
| 19:43.49 | infernix | never put energy in negative places. it's wasted. |
| 19:43.50 | blondie | cap: no, so stop it. |
| 19:44.10 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: yeah, but it did it, it just gave a minor error message but it didn't prevnt it upgrading. Now I have another error :) : 'Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load: |
| 19:44.10 | FlopsyPete | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' |
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| 19:44.36 | Goejk | How can I disable the non-exec functionality of a non-exec stack? |
| 19:44.46 | cap | blondie, stop what? :) |
| 19:44.53 | tarzeau | Goejk: that's how can waste your time |
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| 19:45.09 | zinx | Goejk: uhm, why not just disable the non-exec stack completely? |
| 19:45.09 | Goejk | tabris|away, er, sorry? |
| 19:45.31 | Goejk | zinx, and I'd have no problems doing so? |
| 19:46.11 | zinx | Goejk: other than a slight loss in security for insecure applications? No. And you'd have that exact same loss of security if you managed to disable just the non-exec portion too, plus you'd take a speed hit depending on how it was implemented on your system. |
| 19:46.31 | Goejk | Is non-exec a default on debian? |
| 19:46.34 | anapivirtua | Nighty |
| 19:46.37 | tarzeau | Goejk: i doubt |
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| 19:46.43 | cap | Thanks, bye. |
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| 19:46.45 | zinx | Goejk: No. |
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| 19:46.49 | Goejk | Hmm, I don't see how I enabled it, I wouldn't have specifically chosen so |
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| 19:47.11 | asg | Goejk: did you use grsec patches or something similar with a self-compiled kernel? |
| 19:47.39 | Goejk | I may have applied grsec patches actually, come to think of it |
| 19:47.48 | Goejk | I recall downloading it but do not recall if I completely applied them |
| 19:47.52 | Goejk | Any way to confirm? |
| 19:47.58 | groogs__ | whats the best way to install JRE? (there's lots of old info out there) .. java-package doesn't seem to exist in sarge anymore |
| 19:48.03 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: no problem .. your apache isn't running :) |
| 19:48.07 | asg | Goejk: there should be a /proc/grsecurity or similar most likely |
| 19:48.08 | stew | groogs__: what version of debian? |
| 19:48.11 | abrotman | groogs__: it's in contrib |
| 19:48.11 | tarzeau | groogs__: it's in non-free |
| 19:48.15 | tarzeau | err |
| 19:48.16 | groogs__ | sarge |
| 19:48.17 | groogs__ | lol |
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| 19:48.24 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 19:48.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 19:48.31 | abrotman | !win me |
| 19:48.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:48.32 | k31th | how do you guys go about installing things like squirrelmail and other vhost type apps, in gentoo I would use webapp-config not sure what to do with debian ? |
| 19:48.47 | stew | groogs__: java from sun is on backports.org in the non-free section. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:49.00 | Goejk | asg, nope, nothing like that |
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| 19:49.04 | infernix | k31th: i use vi. |
| 19:49.05 | asg | Goejk: or /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity |
| 19:49.25 | groogs__ | ah, sorry.. i didnt have contribs on this server, should have checked that |
| 19:49.26 | groogs__ | thanks |
| 19:49.47 | k31th | infernix: what kind of an answer is that... |
| 19:50.01 | yoo | Somebody can tell me why growisofs work fine but not work if i launch it with crontab ? |
| 19:50.03 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: but what do I tell aptitude? its so bothered by this lack of Apache running that it stopped the upgrade |
| 19:50.09 | infernix | k31th: my point being that, as far as I know, debian does not handle vhost configs for apache. |
| 19:50.24 | pumpkin0 | k31th: configure the stuff you install by edititing the config files ... |
| 19:50.39 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: tell it "Listen up you little turd .. Just finish my damn upgrade!" |
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| 19:50.44 | infernix | k31th: if you install stuff like horde and imp, it'll add it to the default web server config. just use those config files and stick em in a vhost. |
| 19:50.55 | Goejk | asg, no, not that either :-( |
| 19:51.16 | k31th | pumpkin0: infernix i mean do you copy them into there vhosts? so that can customise there own versions? |
| 19:51.28 | k31th | i.e change login screens etc? |
| 19:51.46 | infernix | k31th: if you're looking for a webhosting management package, look at syscp (google) or webmin with virtualmin (i dont recommend that one) |
| 19:52.33 | k31th | infernix: thats not what im asking, and i use syscp. |
| 19:53.00 | Goejk | I'm trying to allow for buffer overflows on my system |
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| 19:53.09 | Goejk | But I think it's not happening because I have a non-exec stack |
| 19:53.12 | Goejk | How can I fix that? |
| 19:53.14 | cahoot | kudos to debian the etch installer 'just works' (so far) where the nearest cousin 'just choked' |
| 19:53.19 | Goejk | Or, in reality, "unfix" it I guess. |
| 19:53.24 | asg | Goejk: try using a stock Debian kernel I suppose |
| 19:53.31 | Goejk | recompiling? =/ |
| 19:53.49 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: AKA apt-get --force-yes? |
| 19:53.59 | asg | Goejk: or 'apt-get install kernel-image' (linux-image for etch or later) |
| 19:54.05 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some help make sense of the error message that k3b is throwing up ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/U86xHj24.html i wonder if this has anything to do with fork to crkit |
| 19:54.28 | infernix | k31th: if you want customized versions per vhost, you will have to resort to installing them by hand. the debian packages are designed in such a way that they are mostly ment to be used for one specific vhost |
| 19:54.54 | Goejk | asg, eurgh, it's asking for a CDRom |
| 19:55.03 | pumpkin0 | thelostbutler: running unstable ? |
| 19:55.07 | infernix | k31th: you could hack up some stuff but it will involve some manual labor, there's no automagic way of having it customized per vhost |
| 19:55.13 | thelostbutler | pumpkin0: yes :) |
| 19:55.25 | asg | Goejk: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:55.52 | k31th | infernix: perhaps ill just create a script that copies a clean install of a vhost to the users web root. |
| 19:56.11 | k31th | ah its not going to work. |
| 19:56.14 | k31th | i give up |
| 19:56.23 | k31th | ill use gentoo for the vhosts. |
| 19:56.27 | k31th | ahhhh |
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| 19:56.40 | Goejk | asg, nothing clear to do from there |
| 19:56.48 | Goejk | the only cdrom bit is about using physical cdroms |
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| 19:56.51 | Goejk | which I don't have |
| 19:57.04 | raf256 | after installing debina install I get GRUB error 18, wtf? |
| 19:57.28 | raf256 | I was installing additional debian into hard driver where I had same debian on other partiitons |
| 19:57.42 | Goejk | raf256, I got that too, on multiple installs |
| 19:57.46 | Goejk | I had to go with LILO |
| 19:58.10 | raf256 | Goejk: bug id? randomly or only when installing on same hd second debian? |
| 19:58.26 | asg | Goejk: what I gave you was an example for using http/ftp to get packages. See the sources.list(5) manpage also |
| 19:58.42 | raf256 | Goejk: how do I fix now? boot live cd and reinstall grub? |
| 19:58.58 | Goejk | Mine was a full debian instal |
| 19:58.59 | raf256 | !smite grub debian devel |
| 19:59.04 | Goejk | I just went through it again |
| 19:59.06 | Goejk | And chose LILO |
| 19:59.16 | raf256 | Goejk: did you reportet it? |
| 19:59.19 | Goejk | Nah |
| 19:59.38 | raf256 | Goejk: don't be lazy report it |
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| 19:59.54 | Goejk | raf256, .. |
| 19:59.57 | raf256 | Goejk: it's trivial, just send email to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 20:00.00 | Goejk | It was my first ever linux install. |
| 20:00.06 | Goejk | And this was months ago. |
| 20:00.12 | Goejk | I didn't know whether it was my fault or what. |
| 20:00.22 | raf256 | Goejk: including lines: Package: debian-installer (new line) Version: debian bleble from bleble Severity: normal |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: eh .. i don't think that will work |
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| 20:01.02 | raf256 | Goejk: it was 32 bit install? testing or stable? inet install or full cd? what was on that hdd? |
| 20:01.23 | Goejk | It was inet, clean HDD, 32bit. |
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| 20:04.57 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.58 | hesco | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HGXUKV68.html. |
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| 20:08.32 | sandman | Is it just me, or is apt by far and wide the best software in the known universe |
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| 20:10.00 | Eulex | heh. I just found out that on ubuntu systems, /etc/debian_version still contains "testing/unstable" |
| 20:10.31 | asg | Eulex: for all intents and purposes, it is unstable |
| 20:10.45 | Eulex | hehe, true :) |
| 20:12.06 | pickcoder | why does it have that file to start with, is my question |
| 20:12.25 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: apache2 is set not to start on boot; if I try to manually stop it I get the same error message aptitude is getting; if I use 'aptitude -f dist-upgrade' it still stops on the apache upgrade |
| 20:12.31 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: lazyness ... |
| 20:12.46 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: full error is ? |
| 20:13.39 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' |
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| 20:14.14 | pumpkin0 | FlopsyPete: quiz-question: is there a file called /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so on your system ? |
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| 20:14.44 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: no |
| 20:14.44 | pickcoder | FlopsyPete: do you need php4? |
| 20:14.48 | pickcoder | no apache |
| 20:14.51 | pickcoder | s/no/on |
| 20:14.51 | FlopsyPete | pickcoder: yes |
| 20:15.10 | pickcoder | you have apache disabled, but you need php4 apache? |
| 20:15.11 | abrotman | !tell rhakkenn about away |
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| 20:15.22 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: apache2+php is broken in etch |
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| 20:15.32 | cydork | abrotman, not in etch.. |
| 20:15.39 | FlopsyPete | pickcoder: I don;t know, I install Apache and PHP4, but y'know, Deb ian Testing installs parts of apache2 when you install apache |
| 20:15.40 | abrotman | it was. |
| 20:15.51 | abrotman | maybe he should try php5 ? |
| 20:16.07 | cydork | hmm dont know about php4 :P |
| 20:16.08 | pickcoder | FlopsyPete: do you need apache2 && php4 |
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| 20:16.15 | hesco | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HGXUKV68.html. |
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| 20:17.08 | pickcoder | if you don't plan on using php4 with apache2 then "a2dismod php4" |
| 20:17.16 | FlopsyPete | pickcoder: I need Apache and PHP. Last time I asked PHP5 wasn;t recommended, nor Apache2, so I'm still installing my standard set of packages: apache php4 php4-pear. Is it time I upgraded my notes? |
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| 20:17.47 | pickcoder | you have to be careful what you load. |
| 20:17.56 | pickcoder | some older packages still rely on the apache 1.3 |
| 20:18.05 | pickcoder | if you install them it will put both apaches on your machien |
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| 20:18.11 | FlopsyPete | Apache 1.3 and PHP4 have worked fne till now. I don;t know why Debian also installs Apache2 |
| 20:18.14 | pickcoder | which is fine, except they both can't run on port 80 and 443 |
| 20:18.27 | pickcoder | apache2-common I think is the only part |
| 20:18.42 | pickcoder | unless you install something that requires 2.x |
| 20:18.42 | blondie | hello my darlings |
| 20:18.48 | FlopsyPete | aptitude is trying to remove apache2-common , presumably because the package name has changed |
| 20:18.51 | pickcoder | ls -l /etc/apache2/ |
| 20:18.53 | blondie | hi! |
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| 20:18.59 | pickcoder | you can't remove it |
| 20:19.03 | pickcoder | without removing "apache" |
| 20:19.07 | pickcoder | I don't know why |
| 20:19.17 | pickcoder | ls -l /etc/apache2/ |
| 20:19.25 | itrebal | i've installed the gnutls package (dev and all) and then tried installing weechat-curses from a .deb, its telling me I need libgnutls >= 1.0.6 while i have 1.4.4 .. any reason this might happen/how to fix it? |
| 20:19.25 | pickcoder | does it exist? |
| 20:19.30 | FlopsyPete | what do you want to know from that directory? there's quite a few files |
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| 20:19.35 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Just have it bind to different ports... |
| 20:19.36 | tioan | hi |
| 20:19.37 | pickcoder | then you have apache2 installed |
| 20:19.42 | pickcoder | and probably apache as well |
| 20:19.48 | tioan | kann mir jemand bei htacces helfen |
| 20:19.49 | pickcoder | so there's 2 init.d scripts |
| 20:19.50 | tioan | Redirect / http://www.mandys-bilder.de/joomla/ führt zu einer entlosen weitereltung |
| 20:19.52 | pickcoder | one for 1.3 and one for 2.x |
| 20:19.59 | nkuttler | !de |
| 20:19.59 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:20.04 | FlopsyPete | I'll aptitude remove apache2 then. I;ve not installed it knowingly, and I'm careful as to what I install |
| 20:20.09 | tioan | wie bekomme ich das richtig hin |
| 20:20.17 | nkuttler | tioan: #debian.de |
| 20:20.20 | tioan | das einfach auf domain.tld/joomla weitergeleitet wird |
| 20:20.28 | tioan | nkuttler: ups sry |
| 20:21.05 | FlopsyPete | ok I have to go out for a bit, thanks very much for the help ABROTMAN and PICKCODER |
| 20:21.15 | pickcoder | good luck with apache |
| 20:21.15 | blondie | capital letters? |
| 20:21.27 | rgsteele | I don't speak a lick of German, but I'm thinking that his question is probably best geared towards #web or something |
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| 20:21.43 | itrebal | any ideas what might be causing this? its asking for libgnutls11 |
| 20:21.57 | nkuttler | itrebal: actually, what's the exact error? |
| 20:21.58 | blondie | causing what? |
| 20:22.04 | rgsteele | itrebal: That's like saying "Purple. What do you think?" |
| 20:22.24 | blondie | purple is a good color |
| 20:22.59 | rgsteele | Yeah, if the issue at hand was "I think the best color is..." |
| 20:23.00 | itrebal | rgsteele: i asked up there a bit, but.. |
| 20:23.01 | rgsteele | :) |
| 20:23.05 | daqqal | how much do sperm banks pay per shot? |
| 20:23.11 | blondie | daqqal: 5p |
| 20:23.17 | asg | daqqal: I prefer beer |
| 20:23.24 | pumpkin0 | daqqal: and two windows CDs |
| 20:23.28 | cydork | blondie, p? |
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| 20:23.35 | pickcoder | itrebal: where' the .deb come from? |
| 20:23.36 | SpeedyG | pumpkin0: i'd do it for the windows cds |
| 20:23.40 | blondie | cydork: yes, p |
| 20:23.45 | blondie | it means pence./ |
| 20:23.45 | itrebal | i'm trying to install Weechat from a package, and its asking for libgnutls11 >= 1.0.16 |
| 20:23.58 | rgsteele | are pence equivalent to pennies? |
| 20:24.04 | daqqal | hahhahaha |
| 20:24.08 | blondie | not exactly |
| 20:24.10 | itrebal | pickcoder: from weechat.flashtux.org, |
| 20:24.10 | FlopsyPete | ahh. it still fails stopping Aache 2 for apache2-common, despite removing apache2 |
| 20:24.13 | blondie | a penny is a 1p coin |
| 20:24.17 | rgsteele | itrebal: So install libgnutls |
| 20:24.18 | blondie | pennies is the plural of that coin |
| 20:24.27 | reborn | blondie: and i'ma state machine |
| 20:24.27 | blondie | 50 penies are worth 50 pence. |
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| 20:24.29 | abrotman | blondie: he knows i'm big! |
| 20:24.31 | nkuttler | FlopsyPete: could it be the script fails because there is no apache running? |
| 20:24.36 | blondie | abrotman: :o |
| 20:24.39 | itrebal | rgsteele: I have, and its still thinks i don't have it |
| 20:24.43 | cydork | blondie, oh i thought pounds, i would have gone then :P |
| 20:24.44 | pickcoder | FlopsyPete: you're going to have to remove both of them |
| 20:24.52 | abrotman | !alicekill apache2 |
| 20:24.56 | reborn | blondie: so no colors |
| 20:24.58 | reborn | lol |
| 20:25.08 | blondie | um what? |
| 20:25.11 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 20:25.16 | pickcoder | FlopsyPete: I had a hell of time sorting out that same problem not too long ago |
| 20:25.26 | rgsteele | itrebal: Debian's usually "righter" than you are :) |
| 20:25.27 | FlopsyPete | I'll do that then. Has _everyone_ whose upgraded apache had this problem? |
| 20:25.33 | pickcoder | FlopsyPete: I ended up letting dpkg think it's all fine and just manually remove all the files |
| 20:25.36 | rgsteele | dpkg --list | grep libgnutls |
| 20:25.37 | Petrov | hello, i have a question. can linux work with raid? |
| 20:25.43 | blondie | Petrov: yes. |
| 20:25.45 | blondie | next! |
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| 20:25.52 | pickcoder | FlopsyPete: not that I recommend you doing that.. |
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| 20:25.55 | rgsteele | blondie: lol |
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| 20:26.08 | Petrov | blondie: but how? |
| 20:26.10 | rgsteele | blondie: First purple, then yes. You're on a roll |
| 20:26.13 | itrebal | rgsteele: i just ran apt-get install libgnutls13 libgnutls-dev libgnutls13-dbg -- everything that has 'gnutls' from apt-cache search gnutls |
| 20:26.16 | abrotman | Petrov: which kind of raid ? |
| 20:26.18 | pickcoder | itrebal: where did the .deb come from? |
| 20:26.20 | d4d0bre | hi all, upgraded from stable to testing...nvidia is broken: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3vgTMQ83.html does somebody know a fix? |
| 20:26.20 | Kevin` | Petrov it can work with hardware raid, but also has it's own software raid |
| 20:26.22 | pumpkin0 | Petrov: install the drivers and mount the stuff at boot. |
| 20:26.27 | rgsteele | itrebal: dpkg --list | grep libgnutls |
| 20:26.30 | FlopsyPete | pickcoder: yeah I'll remove apache and try again when I get back. thanks for the help. |
| 20:26.31 | itrebal | pickcoder: a link on weechat.flashtux.org |
| 20:26.47 | abrotman | d4d0bre: reinstall the crap binary-only drivers |
| 20:27.00 | Petrov | blondie: dmraid ? |
| 20:27.02 | rgsteele | itrebal: It's possible that the dependency line is munged on the package |
| 20:27.13 | pickcoder | itrebal: are you running Etch or Sid? |
| 20:27.19 | d4d0bre | abrotman: which ones are you talking about |
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| 20:27.54 | The_Mu | Erm. |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | d4d0bre: how did you install the nvidia binary drivers before ? |
| 20:28.02 | pickcoder | rgsteele: or it's a 3 year old package format |
| 20:28.04 | itrebal | rgsteele & pickcoder: pastebin.ca/24946 Etch |
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| 20:28.14 | The_Mu | How do I mount my USB flash drive? |
| 20:28.17 | itrebal | 249467 * sorry |
| 20:28.19 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Ew |
| 20:28.25 | stew | The_Mu: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 20:28.45 | d4d0bre | abrotman: the "debian way" from the howto (module-assistant, nvidia-kernel-common...) |
| 20:28.49 | Petrov | blondie: its a hardware raid |
| 20:28.57 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 20:28.58 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 20:29.10 | gpm | hi all, i have a small problem with my exim. i have it set up as an internet site. i can recieve mail from remote servers fine, but when i try to mail remote servers it always times out. any ideas why? |
| 20:29.17 | stew | Petrov: do you have a specific debian related question? like, are you having trouble using your raid? if so, which raid... |
| 20:29.22 | abrotman | i have no idea if the nvdidia drivers are back in etch |
| 20:29.42 | stew | abrotman: help me setup my xgl under vmware |
| 20:29.45 | cydork | abrotman, not yet .. |
| 20:29.45 | d4d0bre | abrotman: i may have found a unsolvable problem? |
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| 20:29.54 | pickcoder | itrebal: someone needs to extract that package and check out the files |
| 20:29.56 | gpm | *when i try to send mail to remote servers |
| 20:30.00 | gpm | it times out |
| 20:30.04 | pickcoder | itrebal: it obviously is b0rked |
| 20:30.06 | Petrov | stew, i cannot install my raid |
| 20:30.22 | itrebal | pickcoder: alright; in that case I'll compile myself, but how do you make packages? |
| 20:30.42 | stew | Petrov: be more specific. are you trying to add raid to an existing debian? adding debian to an existing raid? who made the raid card? |
| 20:31.07 | d4d0bre | dejan_spasic: desi bre |
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| 20:31.31 | pickcoder | itrebal: review the "new maintainers" page |
| 20:31.37 | itrebal | pickcoder: thanks |
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| 20:32.00 | pickcoder | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:32.04 | Petrov | stew: adding debian to an existing raid. raid : Promise 378 |
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| 20:32.20 | stew | Petrov: i don't think promise makes any hardware raid cards. only fakeraid |
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| 20:33.00 | hans0lo | can someone point me to the nvidia driver installation procedure (the "debian" way)? |
| 20:33.06 | pickcoder | stew: they may sata raid |
| 20:33.09 | pickcoder | s/may/make |
| 20:33.12 | stew | Petrov: i don't know if installing to an existing fakeraid array is supported. you might have to install to a non-raid drive then use dmraid to mount the fakeraid |
| 20:33.16 | tarzeau | hans0lo: i know it the ugly way |
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| 20:33.27 | itrebal | pickcoder: whats the learning curve on making packages? |
| 20:33.27 | tarzeau | anyone can run 468x60 banners for me? |
| 20:33.42 | hans0lo | tarzeau: what's the ugly way? download nvidia package from nvidia.com? |
| 20:33.45 | abrotman | stew: you need elive |
| 20:33.51 | tarzeau | hans0lo: but fully automated |
| 20:33.57 | tarzeau | hans0lo: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 20:34.00 | stew | pickcoder: real raid? like an array shows up as a scsi disk? and there is no way to get at the actual individual drives making up the array? |
| 20:34.05 | tarzeau | hans0lo: install and forget |
| 20:34.06 | stew | abrotman: i'll dist-upgrade |
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| 20:34.16 | hans0lo | tarzeau: is that a apt repository? |
| 20:34.22 | tarzeau | hans0lo: no it's a file |
| 20:34.28 | pickcoder | SuperTrak |
| 20:34.32 | tarzeau | hans0lo: for /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:34.46 | stew | pickcoder: which kernel module supports it? |
| 20:34.55 | cydork | tarzeau, hmm i forgot about that.. |
| 20:35.06 | cydork | tarzeau, now i can try compiz :P |
| 20:35.06 | pickcoder | itrebal: it's not that complicated if you grasp the file structure and requirements for each file that defines it |
| 20:35.21 | pickcoder | itrebal: if you don't have a lot of pre-install and post-install steps then it's easy as pie |
| 20:35.21 | hans0lo | tarzeau: OMG that is ugly |
| 20:35.27 | pickcoder | stew: I dunno |
| 20:35.32 | tarzeau | hans0lo: works great on about 50 computers here :) |
| 20:35.50 | tarzeau | hans0lo: we update kernels often |
| 20:35.53 | itrebal | pickcoder: alright, thanks |
| 20:35.56 | hans0lo | tarzeau: I see it is configured for sarge. tried any with etch? |
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| 20:36.06 | tarzeau | hans0lo: and i also exchange graphics cards, when the ati binary crap just makes computers hang |
| 20:36.15 | tarzeau | hans0lo: works fine on my sid |
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| 20:36.25 | hans0lo | tarzeau: ok, thanks ;) |
| 20:36.26 | JordiGH | Ooh. irssi with colours is nice! |
| 20:36.26 | tarzeau | hans0lo: only change is the kernel-source with linux-source |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | stew: have oyu considered trying a morphix/edgy/stormix mix ? |
| 20:36.32 | tarzeau | hans0lo: and the linux kernel versions are fucked too |
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| 20:36.48 | JordiGH | No, wait, it's not. When I speak my name is white on white. :-/ |
| 20:36.51 | hans0lo | tarzeau: k, I can hack it up. |
| 20:36.58 | tarzeau | hans0lo: oh, i love patches :) |
| 20:37.07 | cydork | JordiGH, bwahhah |
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| 20:37.33 | JordiGH | cydork: Don't laugh. Your own name came out light yellow on white. :-( |
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| 20:37.52 | cydork | ewww |
| 20:37.56 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: On that chess program you package is there anyway of increasing the difficulty level or making it use another backend ? |
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| 20:38.01 | stew | abrotman: no, stormix would make it too slow. dsl maybe |
| 20:38.14 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i'm sorry no. but the current developer versions seem to have it |
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| 20:38.38 | pickcoder | stew: the EX8300 8-port is listed on linuxmafia |
| 20:38.49 | pickcoder | the EX8350 as well |
| 20:40.54 | JordiGH | GNU chess? |
| 20:40.54 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: please write the developers |
| 20:40.54 | tarzeau | JordiGH: brutalchess |
| 20:40.54 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: ok |
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| 20:40.54 | abrotman | stew: but .. stormix has the best package manager ever! |
| 20:40.55 | stew | that i didn't know |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | !stormpkg |
| 20:40.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, stormpkg is a graphical interface for apt, available from http://www.stormix.com/ |
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| 20:40.55 | Daveman | :) |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | long gone |
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| 20:40.55 | abrotman | long before synaptic |
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| 20:40.55 | sanabriamusic | hey |
| 20:40.55 | tarzeau | yuck |
| 20:40.57 | tarzeau | i remember that |
| 20:41.05 | Lumenon | the security bug tracker http://idssi.enyo.de/tracker lists a great many open vulnerabilities in stable, is this accurate? |
| 20:41.21 | tarzeau | it failed, like all commercial stuff based on debian (except maybe very specific stuff, stonegate fw?) |
| 20:41.29 | sanabriamusic | i have windows and debian dual boot...but if i install blag linux instead it messes up the grub giving me an error 15 something like that |
| 20:41.30 | stew | !tracker of doom |
| 20:41.31 | dpkg | [tracker of doom] a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable here: http://idssi.enyo.de/tracker |
| 20:41.35 | stew | Lumenon: yes |
| 20:41.36 | sanabriamusic | any inputs? |
| 20:41.46 | Lumenon | wow thats suprising |
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| 20:42.02 | tarzeau | anyone tracking music modules btw? try schism |
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| 20:42.07 | tarzeau | and opencubicplayer |
| 20:42.33 | tarzeau | (any x86_64 people who want to try out c ported mixers of unreleased #ocp versions?) |
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| 20:43.05 | JordiGH | sanabriamusic: It's a little inconvenient for me at the moment to use the web. What is blag linux? |
| 20:43.23 | sanabriamusic | is a linux distribution |
| 20:43.34 | mirak | hi, is it simple to do a simple debian package that just extract files somwhere to be ale to uninstall them someday ? or is it always complex ? |
| 20:43.44 | sanabriamusic | their site is http://www.blagblagblag.org |
| 20:43.50 | JordiGH | sanabriamusic: I was kinda hoping for a brief explanation of this distribution. :-) |
| 20:43.54 | tarzeau | very cool url |
| 20:44.03 | muh2000 | so one NIC is bound to "eth2" for no real reason. what do i have to look for to change that ? i thought something about modules.conf... but isnt really working... :/ |
| 20:44.03 | sanabriamusic | is an fc5 |
| 20:44.09 | abrotman | mirak: ar x <pkg> |
| 20:44.10 | sanabriamusic | fedora core five base |
| 20:44.11 | tarzeau | JordiGH: apropos distributions, may i tell you about the GNUSTEP, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 20:44.13 | grendal_prime | whats the quickest way to migrate a perfectly good running machine to newer hardware? |
| 20:44.21 | cydork | sanabriamusic, eww.. |
| 20:44.22 | JordiGH | tarzeau: What about it? |
| 20:44.25 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's the one without openoffice/gnome/kde/firefox |
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| 20:44.43 | sanabriamusic | ewww?? well its better finding everything and configuring |
| 20:44.47 | sanabriamusic | i get sound, flash |
| 20:44.54 | sanabriamusic | runs well |
| 20:45.19 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Witout GNOME? Not the GNU network object model environment anymore, I take it. |
| 20:45.25 | sanabriamusic | debian look only cool with all these programs installed other than that blag beats it |
| 20:45.40 | JordiGH | !start a distro war |
| 20:45.40 | dpkg | Rock rocks! |
| 20:45.41 | tarzeau | JordiGH: GNOME wouldn't exist if icaza didn't fail |
| 20:45.49 | cydork | !stop flame war |
| 20:45.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and GNUstep would kick the Mac OS Xs' ass |
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| 20:46.04 | muh2000 | where do i bind a network adapter to ethX ? |
| 20:46.05 | mirak | abrotman: I did man ar but I am not sure if this can do what I want |
| 20:46.18 | cydork | huh? there was a factoid which said dont we love debian or something of that sort. |
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| 20:46.20 | stew | muh2000: what exactly do you mean? |
| 20:46.22 | Guerin | grendal_prime: take the hard drive out, put it in the new box, hope you have hotplug/udev working |
| 20:46.22 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Er, what do you mean? |
| 20:46.25 | pumpkin0 | muh2000: install and read about ifrename |
| 20:46.25 | abrotman | mirak: i misread .. i thought you wanted to extract the package |
| 20:46.26 | mirak | abrotman: most of files I want to install should land in /etc/, |
| 20:46.43 | sanabriamusic | how does one set up dual boots in grub |
| 20:46.52 | abrotman | mirak: that's part of what the package does .. have you read the packaging manual ? |
| 20:46.53 | grendal_prime | i would partimage it but, the problem is with partimaged i cant figuire out ouw to do this and restorre the image to a larger partion |
| 20:46.54 | mirak | abrotman: ok, so what I am looking for is a way to put files on the FS, and be able to remove them cleanly someday |
| 20:46.59 | stew | muh2000: are you saying you want to force one particlar card to be eth1 for instance? |
| 20:47.01 | JordiGH | sanabriamusic: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:47.02 | muh2000 | stew modul "sk98lin" f.e. should be eth1. forcedeth is working with beeing eth0... |
| 20:47.06 | sanabriamusic | thanks |
| 20:47.12 | mirak | abrotman: no I don't know this tool |
| 20:47.13 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: one reads the very comprehensive instructions in menu.list, or the even more comprehensive instructions in the grub-doc package |
| 20:47.17 | grendal_prime | Guerin, ya the problem with that is that we want a larger hd on the box |
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| 20:47.24 | stew | muh2000: do you have udev installed? if so, which version ("dpkg -l udev" will tell you) |
| 20:47.28 | grendal_prime | and a newer hd as well |
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| 20:47.32 | Guerin | grendal_prime: nothing's stopping you from having more than one |
| 20:47.39 | mirak | abrotman: what is pacakge ? you mean debs ? |
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| 20:47.50 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i mean someone writing this: GNUstep, Wine and LessTif were other projects that had attempted to reimplement a proprietary API and just had a limited success after a long development history. |
| 20:47.54 | tarzeau | jojust has no idea |
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| 20:48.09 | Kalist00 | why when i add my ip to the .shosts file of a server am i not able to log in without a password prompt.. all other entries in the .shosts file work.. any ideas? |
| 20:48.10 | grendal_prime | good point. but i still would like the os portion of it on a newer hd. |
| 20:48.14 | tarzeau | JordiGH: from http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html |
| 20:48.14 | Guerin | grendal_prime: but you can rsync it across. Just exclude /sys /proc /dev /tmp |
| 20:48.22 | muh2000 | stew 0.100-2.2 |
| 20:48.23 | raf256 | can I use debian net install cd just to reinstall the grub? |
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| 20:48.33 | Guerin | raf256: you have our permission. |
| 20:48.36 | tarzeau | JordiGH: GNOME failed where GNUstep was mature |
| 20:48.45 | stew | muh2000: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 20:48.48 | FlopsyPete | no matter what I try to remove, apache, apache2, apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork, I still get this error cos they want to stop apache 2 from running when it isn't |
| 20:48.54 | mirak | abrotman: packaging seems complex |
| 20:48.56 | tarzeau | JordiGH: quite some consistency points, and a few user interface things |
| 20:49.01 | raf256 | Guerin: very funny, I ment: does debian net install cd include a grub installer which I might use right after the CD boots up? |
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| 20:49.11 | tarzeau | all the gtk stuff was a nightmare as well |
| 20:49.17 | stew | raf256: it does |
| 20:49.21 | Guerin | raf256: you have to chroot |
| 20:49.27 | raf256 | z0mg chroot |
| 20:49.33 | JordiGH | tarzeau: You've been doing the Icaza groupie thing more consistently than I have. Forgive me if I don't attempt to load up that link in my sshed connection halfway across the world. |
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| 20:49.42 | raf256 | I hateem. chroot into what my real root is hdb11 |
| 20:49.45 | stew | raf256: you don't need to chroot |
| 20:50.00 | Guerin | stew: i needed to with d-i |
| 20:50.07 | abrotman | !mg |
| 20:50.07 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:50.11 | raf256 | stew: I don't want to touch /boot, I only need to fix "grub error 18" - I assume MBR is messed up? |
| 20:50.19 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i find it funny how www.gnome.org says "Simply Powerful". GNOME is not simple, and by far not powerful |
| 20:50.24 | Guerin | it wouldn't let me do the grub install without actually installing first |
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| 20:50.41 | stew | Guerin: did you try to use --root-directory=/path/to/mountpoint ? |
| 20:50.51 | Guerin | stew: nope ;) |
| 20:50.59 | stew | raf256: its impossible to reinstall grub without touching /boot |
| 20:51.11 | JordiGH | tarzeau: It's been looking nice recently, though. My gf preferred it over KDE. She also likes kittens. |
| 20:51.12 | Guerin | tarzeau: they meant 'Powerfully Simple' and were talking about their brains? |
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| 20:51.32 | Guerin | JordiGH: my wife also likes kittens and likes kde too. |
| 20:51.37 | stew | raf256: did you look up what error 18 is? |
| 20:51.51 | raf256 | stew: and old reoccuring error apparently |
| 20:51.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: probably |
| 20:51.54 | Guerin | raf256 actually LOOK something up? Or read something? |
| 20:51.56 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Our significant others ought to have a flame war. :-) |
| 20:51.59 | Guerin | !pal stew |
| 20:52.04 | tarzeau | JordiGH: haha |
| 20:52.20 | abrotman | !tell mirak about mg |
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| 20:52.40 | raf256 | Guerin: 18 : "Invalid or unsupported executable format" |
| 20:52.51 | raf256 | This error is returned if the kernel image boing loaded is not recognized as Multiboot or one of the supported native formats (Linux zImage or bzImage, FreeBSD, or NetBSD). <- wtf |
| 20:53.03 | raf256 | boing loaded! awesome |
| 20:53.29 | stew | raf256: so you'll have to touch boot, since its complaining about your kernel |
| 20:53.42 | raf256 | hmmm |
| 20:53.48 | muh2000 | stew thank you. that is exactly what was wrong :) i allways wonder wheather there is a noticeable amount of people who really use firewire for network. i mean every computer has a NIC ^^ |
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| 20:54.21 | grendal_prime | Guerin, what would work? |
| 20:54.24 | stew | muh2000: which device was firewire being given? |
| 20:54.31 | muh2000 | stew eth1 |
| 20:54.34 | Guerin | grendal_prime: rsync? |
| 20:54.48 | grendal_prime | i already rsync most of the data to back it up? |
| 20:54.50 | stew | muh2000: oh, nm i was confused, i thought maybe you were under the impression that forcedeth was firewire |
| 20:55.00 | raf256 | stew: how to reinstall grub, with assuming hda1 is /boot hda8 is / |
| 20:55.09 | Guerin | grendal_prime: so why not rsync the OS to your new drive? |
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| 20:55.14 | FlopsyPete | well, after all that, I reinstal 'apache' again and it dist-upgrades fine |
| 20:55.29 | stew | raf256: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 20:55.45 | stew | muh2000: they are initailly assigned in the order they are discovered. so if you had forcedeth and firewire, and then later added the sk98lin the sk98lin would get eth2 |
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| 20:57.40 | ph8 | hi guys, it's a bit random but does anyone have a debian (preferably 32-bit) machine they'd like to volunteer - i have a client who *insists* this hybrid IRCd builds, and it's my architectures fault - i'd like to try it on a different system |
| 20:57.52 | muh2000 | stew during installation the debian installer guessed sk98lin as eth0; firewire as eth1 and forced as eth2.... :) |
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| 20:59.04 | grendal_prime | does anyone know of a way to use partimage to restore an image to a partion that is actually larger the originating partion? |
| 20:59.22 | ph8 | grendal_prime: resize the partiton before and after? |
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| 21:00.47 | grendal_prime | i always seem to run into problems resizing partions |
| 21:01.06 | thejnaitor | after creating a new partition from available free space using cfdisk, I get a message that says, "WrNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.le." Is this a problem? Do I need to mark my "/" partition as Bootable? |
| 21:01.45 | Guerin | thejnaitor: do you need to boot dos off any of those partitions? |
| 21:01.47 | diskus | or if you have /boot then /boot |
| 21:02.03 | diskus | / even or /boot |
| 21:02.16 | thejnaitor | Guerin: no, I don't need to boot DOS, I just need to be able to boot my normal linux partitions... hehe |
| 21:02.23 | Guerin | thejnaitor: no problem. |
| 21:02.26 | thejnaitor | I mean, does one of them need to be set to bootable? |
| 21:02.28 | stew | thejnaitor: which bootloader do you use to boot into linux? grub? lilo? something else? |
| 21:02.35 | diskus | thejnaitor: yes |
| 21:02.54 | diskus | thejnaitor: better to enable as bootable, or is it too much work to you? |
| 21:02.57 | thejnaitor | stew: sorry for my ignorance, but I'm not positive... the default for debian sarge... I think it's grub? |
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| 21:03.10 | stew | thejnaitor: yes. in which case you don't need to worry about the bootable flag |
| 21:03.14 | muh2000 | thejnaitor yes |
| 21:03.15 | thejnaitor | diskus: I'm in cfdisk right now, so I can turn bootable on |
| 21:03.16 | stew | diskus: you are wrong |
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| 21:03.28 | stew | thejnaitor: you don't need the bootable flag |
| 21:03.38 | diskus | well, I didn't say it's mandatory, but I always enable :P |
| 21:03.41 | stew | thejnaitor: you should only bother to use that for non-linux bootloaders |
| 21:03.49 | reborn | how can i force dpkg to update initscripts in /etc/init.d ? |
| 21:03.51 | thejnaitor | stew: ok. thank you! I got the message and wasn't sure if it was set before or not, so that makes me feel better |
| 21:03.55 | stew | diskus: you did imply it was manditory |
| 21:04.05 | asg | reborn: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 21:04.13 | Guerin | diskus: i always sing a song before I drive my car. |
| 21:04.22 | thejnaitor | thanks for the help everybody |
| 21:04.25 | Guerin | diskus: if you don't, you're obviously a camel. |
| 21:04.26 | diskus | never actualy checked if it's mandatory or not, been using bootable option for like years now |
| 21:04.36 | raf256 | 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS |
| 21:04.37 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.37 | diskus | Guerin: yep, I'm camel then |
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| 21:04.38 | raf256 | wtf?? |
| 21:05.00 | diskus | Guerin: better to be camel than singing Guerin |
| 21:05.01 | PaSurf | how would I formate a attached scsi drive through debian? |
| 21:05.05 | raf256 | my damn bios can't handle /boot located around 40 th GB of HD? |
| 21:05.16 | Guerin | raf256: apparently not. |
| 21:05.24 | raf256 | wow a real camel! |
| 21:05.27 | stew | raf256: that shoudlnt' be suprising |
| 21:05.42 | diskus | raf256: I'm not rideable, I throw everyone from my back |
| 21:05.47 | Guerin | camel is something I've never eaten |
| 21:05.58 | diskus | I'm wild camel :.P |
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| 21:06.12 | diskus | hard to catch and pink colored |
| 21:06.12 | Guerin | guess it might be like goat/horse |
| 21:06.32 | cahoot | Guerin: don't guess |
| 21:06.33 | raf256 | Guerin: you are still talking about "ride" as in actually riding, right? |
| 21:06.50 | Guerin | raf256: i never mentioned ride |
| 21:06.58 | Guerin | cahoot: what does it taste like, then? |
| 21:07.08 | cahoot | Guerin: nfi |
| 21:07.11 | Guerin | cahoot: there's a powerful shortage of camels in NZ. |
| 21:07.18 | x_link | enouf: There ? |
| 21:07.20 | Guerin | and not on account of the eatin' either |
| 21:07.21 | cahoot | but not in au? |
| 21:07.31 | x_link | enouf: Let me know when you see this or when you get back. Thanks ! |
| 21:07.32 | Guerin | no, AU has shitloads of the critters |
| 21:07.57 | diskus | I never actualy seen camel with two bumps like they have in cartoons |
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| 21:08.10 | diskus | only some small not well eating camels in zoo |
| 21:08.13 | raf256 | couterferi cammel |
| 21:08.22 | cahoot | Guerin: someone *must* be able to deliver - you like cooking - no? |
| 21:08.46 | Guerin | cahoot: sure. Haven't seen any, though. |
| 21:08.58 | Guerin | Had some donkey in china, though. |
| 21:09.21 | abrotman | did the sheep get jealous? |
| 21:09.29 | Guerin | i didn't tell any |
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| 21:09.55 | Guerin | raf256: who's talking about sex? |
| 21:09.58 | vanisher | may i ask an ugly question? |
| 21:10.17 | cydork | vanisher, how ugly? |
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| 21:10.53 | hans0lo | Isn't one of the channel rules about asking to ask a question? hah |
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| 21:11.11 | vanisher | cydork: an honest answer from debian guru's, currently my shared hosting server is running Centos, i'm about to deploy some more servers but not sure about the distro.. |
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| 21:11.21 | diskus | well he's asking about ugly question, not just question |
| 21:11.22 | bitmvnch | i have a machine throwing "dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument" when i try any apt-get operation except 'update' |
| 21:11.27 | stew | vanisher: we'd recommend debian |
| 21:11.31 | GoCooL | when i install a package, in this case libmm13, where is it's doc files stored? |
| 21:11.31 | vanisher | i'm not an linux freak yet |
| 21:11.33 | Guerin | vanisher: duh. |
| 21:11.39 | stew | dpkg: tell bitmvnch about mmap |
| 21:11.40 | bitmvnch | what gives? ;) |
| 21:11.43 | bitmvnch | ah |
| 21:11.48 | diskus | vanisher: then go with centos, if they have experience? |
| 21:11.55 | Guerin | vanisher: can you read Y'know, and use google? |
| 21:11.55 | vanisher | stew: why? security? easy of use?? |
| 21:12.06 | asg | vanisher: all of the above |
| 21:12.09 | stew | dpkg: tell vanisher about why debian |
| 21:12.16 | vanisher | guerin: christ, do you know how many CRAP sites you get with such topics in google? |
| 21:12.20 | Bhavesh | !mmap |
| 21:12.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 21:12.39 | Guerin | vanisher: my point is, if you can read and use google, you can run debian. |
| 21:12.50 | vanisher | guerin: that sounds good. |
| 21:12.56 | vanisher | is testing stable enough for shared hosting? |
| 21:12.58 | cydork | vanisher, you are in #debian.. so you know what our answer is :) |
| 21:12.59 | bitmvnch | hm, my /var/lib/dpkg/available is zero bytes |
| 21:13.02 | Guerin | vanisher: even if, like me, you have no IT background |
| 21:13.06 | x_link | Hi |
| 21:13.09 | GoCooL | when i install a packages using apt-get where are it's doc files stored? |
| 21:13.10 | asg | bitmvnch: /msg dpkg available |
| 21:13.10 | diskus | vanisher: well I haven't seen anything bad in centos, and if there is one machine which runs it then why change? |
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| 21:13.12 | x_link | I just want to say/ask one thing. |
| 21:13.13 | Guerin | vanisher: this i found not to be true of redhat |
| 21:13.21 | stew | vanisher: testing is not a good idea for a server becuase it doesn't get timely security updates |
| 21:13.24 | x_link | My Debian is REALLY messed up. I did a re-install today. |
| 21:13.34 | x_link | But KDE Crash Handler is coming up ALL THE TIME. |
| 21:13.35 | vanisher | cydork: that why i asked ;) but i guess you folks also used other distro's before |
| 21:13.42 | bitmvnch | golden :) |
| 21:13.46 | stew | vanisher: other distros are off-topic here |
| 21:13.48 | x_link | I haven't messed anything up, I know that. Cause I haven't changed anything. |
| 21:14.00 | bitmvnch | stew: what about talking about how they suck? ;d |
| 21:14.01 | vanisher | stew: how about a current releases of apache, php, mysql? |
| 21:14.04 | x_link | Just that KDE Crash Handler is coming up RELLY often. |
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| 21:14.14 | x_link | And sometimes reboot doesn't even help. |
| 21:14.14 | cydork | vanisher, i meant we are here coz we like debian so we will recommend it :) |
| 21:14.25 | cydork | vanisher, for stable there is backports.org |
| 21:14.25 | x_link | Is there anybody that could help me out with this, please ? |
| 21:14.34 | x_link | I really beg you guys, please. |
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| 21:14.43 | stew | vanisher: testings apache was vulnerable for a few months recently |
| 21:14.59 | bitmvnch | anyone know if adduser is broken in stable atm? i can't get it to --configure |
| 21:15.06 | vanisher | thanks, dloading stable atm, i think i just have to give it a try |
| 21:15.06 | seth1248 | Can anyone help me please? I get the message: "intel8x0: measured clock 579 rejected" during boot. I've been trying to figure out why I have no sound for days now. I also get the error: "Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy" when trying to play an audio file, but if I do: "fuser /dev/dsp" I get nothing. |
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| 21:15.23 | kiwi_ | hi |
| 21:15.25 | stew | bitmvnch: i seriously doubt it. exactly what command were you running? |
| 21:15.25 | vanisher | one other question, beside server os, is it also good as desktop? |
| 21:15.27 | JordiGH | < x_link> And sometimes reboot doesn't even help. <--- Why should it ever help? |
| 21:15.41 | kiwi_ | i'd like to install a debian on amd64 |
| 21:15.41 | hans0lo | seth1248: are you using alsa? |
| 21:15.42 | GoCooL | where are the doc files stored when i install a packages using apt-get? |
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| 21:15.52 | kiwi_ | 64 bits install |
| 21:15.52 | h3sp4wn | cydork: /usr/share/doc |
| 21:15.56 | JordiGH | vanisher: Yes. Ask me for testimonials if you want them. |
| 21:15.57 | stew | kiwi_: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 21:15.58 | bitmvnch | stew: apt-get upgrade first, then apt-get -f install, then dpkg --configure -a, then dpkg --configure adduser |
| 21:16.04 | h3sp4wn | GoCooL: /usr/share/doc |
| 21:16.05 | cydork | h3sp4wn, huh?? |
| 21:16.05 | seth1248 | hansOlo: yes |
| 21:16.08 | bitmvnch | looks like apt-get install passwd is the key, and it wants to upgrade sysvinit, fun |
| 21:16.47 | stew | bitmvnch: what about "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" do you get an error? |
| 21:16.47 | vanisher | jordigh: go ahead |
| 21:16.47 | bitmvnch | all this for like, something entirely unrelated |
| 21:16.47 | h3sp4wn | cydork: (the problems of tab completion and hitting the wrong key sorry) |
| 21:16.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: the best game is in debian now: apt-get install bloboats |
| 21:16.47 | cydork | h3sp4wn, no prob .. |
| 21:16.48 | bitmvnch | "adduser is not fully installed" |
| 21:16.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: snowballs! |
| 21:17.12 | stew | bitmvnch: are you trying to mix stable and testing? |
| 21:17.12 | JordiGH | vanisher: Ubuntu is based on Debian, after all, so it has a (usually) subset of Debian's packages, and it's probably the most popular desktop distro out there. |
| 21:17.15 | bitmvnch | stew: nope, i'm just trying to apt-get upgrade stable |
| 21:17.17 | bitmvnch | let me double-check, it is a client machine |
| 21:17.31 | bitmvnch | gah it's testing |
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| 21:17.39 | stew | bitmvnch: you wouldn't be able to finish a stable install without a fully installed adduser |
| 21:18.04 | cydork | JordiGH, you forgot debian has more no of children than any other distro :P |
| 21:18.16 | seth1248 | hans0lo: Yes, I'm using alsa. |
| 21:18.30 | stew | bitmvnch: run "apt-get -f install, then dpkg --configure -a, then dpkg --configure adduser" again, and put the whole transcript into a pastebin |
| 21:18.36 | JordiGH | vanisher: My girlfriend is the most non-thechy person I could have associated with. She's only been using computers for a couple of years or so, I mean, ever. She learned how to touch type on a typewriter. I installed Debian on her machine a few weeks ago, and she's been enchanted ( although it has admittedly taken some sysadmining on my part to get it working the way she likes it.) |
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| 21:19.07 | vanisher | jordigh: is your g/f working on debian or ubuntu? |
| 21:19.12 | Guerin | my mum's been using debian since sometime in 2004 |
| 21:19.28 | JordiGH | vanisher: She uses Debian, because that's what I feel comfortable installing and administrating. |
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| 21:19.59 | mirak | abrotman: so a makefile is always needed ? |
| 21:20.07 | mirak | abrotman: even if it's not a binary package ? |
| 21:20.10 | tarzeau | mirak: no, but it sure makes things easier |
| 21:20.35 | bitmvnch | stew: i'm dropping this box to stable first.. |
| 21:20.39 | bitmvnch | no idea why he is on testing |
| 21:20.41 | mirak | tarzeau: so I just need to have a files that wil ectract to /etc/ and /usr and /var/lib |
| 21:20.47 | stew | mirak: yes, a makefile is always required for building a policy compliant package |
| 21:20.47 | vanisher | oki, almost convinced :) i love vmware, currently installing debian stable on vmware |
| 21:20.55 | tarzeau | mirak: you want to configure some system? |
| 21:21.02 | Guerin | gods, vmware |
| 21:21.13 | stew | bitmvnch: you can't downgrade from testing to stable |
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| 21:21.26 | tarzeau | hey Osax |
| 21:21.31 | Osax | tarzeau, hey |
| 21:21.34 | Osax | Hi |
| 21:21.45 | Osax | anyone got php5/apache2 working on etch beta? |
| 21:21.59 | mirak | tarzeau: no I want to use vdr from source. so I can use checkinstall to create a deb, but there is an additional configure tar with configuration files. I don't want to put them there without beeing able to remove them cleanly |
| 21:21.59 | bitmvnch | stew: i think this is borked because it tried to upgrade to testing before i came along.. http://paste.plone.org/11575 |
| 21:22.20 | abrotman | mirak: there's no source ? |
| 21:22.21 | vanisher | guerin: lol sorry, that does work out of the box |
| 21:22.26 | kiwi_ | stew: thx |
| 21:22.40 | kiwi_ | i think i'll change my cpu before i move to debian =) |
| 21:22.56 | mirak | abrotman: there is a make install for the source, but some other files aren't using a make install and need to be on the filesystem |
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| 21:23.14 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:23.15 | mirak | abrotman: scripts etcetera |
| 21:23.17 | cydork | mirak, have you checked stow? |
| 21:23.28 | mirak | cydork: no, what is it ? |
| 21:23.42 | cydork | !tell mirak -about stow |
| 21:24.20 | mirak | cydork: ok I see what it is about |
| 21:24.40 | mirak | cydork: but files will need to be in /etc /usr/local and /var/lib |
| 21:24.58 | stew | bitmvnch: you are going to have to figure out why the adduser.postinst is failing, edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/adduser.postinst and add "set -x" as the second line, then rerun "dpkg --configure -a" which should show you what it executes when it fails |
| 21:25.26 | cydork | mirak, it creates the necessary links. and it's easy to unistall too.. |
| 21:25.45 | mirak | cydork: ok. hem will it work for any location ? |
| 21:26.33 | bitmvnch | stew: that is postinst for the testing adduser, is there any way i can abort the upgrade and downgrade to stable without that postinst succeeding? |
| 21:26.47 | stew | bitmvnch: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 21:26.57 | cydork | mirak, check the site for that. i cant say for sure.. |
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| 21:27.21 | jbrouhard | Anyone know who maintains openbsd-inetd ? |
| 21:27.22 | bitmvnch | 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 |
| 21:27.24 | mirak | cydork: thanks, I was thinking to use that approach with symlinks |
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| 21:27.49 | stew | bitmvnch: then yeah, probably. try "apt-get install adduser=3.63" |
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| 21:27.58 | nkuttler | jbrouhard: apt-cache show package |
| 21:28.20 | enouf | Hi x_link: KDE is like an OS in and of itself .. it's extremely complicated .. suggest you save/review the logs of backtrace (report them, upload them to appropriate places) .. Search and post to the mailing lists (#kde related) ...visit #debian-kde and #kde .. or just stop using it. Something (settings) in KControl Center is likely munged too .. try other WMs, DEs , there's over 15,000 pkgs avail for Debian |
| 21:28.32 | enouf | bitmvnch: stew : what happens if you run upgrade but don't run "update" prior? a b0rken system? |
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| 21:29.00 | bitmvnch | enouf: out of date packages, possibly failed downloads.. |
| 21:29.11 | bitmvnch | it probably won't do anything, basically. ;) |
| 21:29.33 | enouf | bitmvnch: ; kinda like what you are experiencing now? |
| 21:29.34 | stew | enouf: it uses the package list from the last time you updated. it may mean you get older packages, it may mean you get 404s on pacakges which are no longer available because they have been replaced |
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| 21:30.13 | jbrouhard | Thanks, nkuttler |
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| 21:30.38 | enouf | stew: ok .. thanks |
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| 21:32.13 | raf256 | stew: I was able to fix that problem easly :) still I am not shure why it occured. There as only one boot and it was in hda1 (on begin of drive) |
| 21:32.23 | pjz | apt-get -s upgrade is segfaulting after my computer ran for a while with some bad RAM |
| 21:32.35 | pjz | I'm suspecting some disk corruption, but I can't figure out wherre |
| 21:32.46 | pjz | I reinstalled dpkg, apt, libc, and libstdc++5 |
| 21:32.53 | stew | pjz: have you rung apt-get update? |
| 21:33.01 | pjz | stew: yes |
| 21:33.06 | pjz | stew: that works |
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| 21:34.05 | pjz | where do I paste stuff? |
| 21:34.12 | cydork | !paster |
| 21:34.12 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:34.12 | pjz | I can show you a backtrace from gdb |
| 21:34.12 | daqqal | hello |
| 21:34.16 | radical_ | hmm, its been over a year now since i installed a fresh deb system, and although i was able to do what i wanted, i must say, for a new user it must be borderline impossible to get a decent debian running (at least using the current testing netinst image). i wonder how a new user would know, that he has to manually load the module for a nforce4 sli 16x intel edition nic and will get support for the second (sky2) nic only after installtion (newer kernel re |
| 21:34.28 | bitmvnch | enouf: not at all, my system is deadlocked because it failed in installing new packages from 'testing', but won't try to install the same packages from stable anymore.. |
| 21:34.42 | asg | radical_: it's called documentation |
| 21:34.50 | asg | radical_: and we suggest new users run stable, not testing |
| 21:34.51 | stew | bitmvnch: did "apt-get install package=version" not work? |
| 21:34.56 | Kevin` | radical_ i've never had to manually load nic drivers for ethernet.. |
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| 21:34.59 | bitmvnch | oh yeah |
| 21:35.12 | pjz | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4504 |
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| 21:35.39 | bitmvnch | stew: no, it says "the latest version of adduser is already installed" |
| 21:35.51 | radical_ | Kevin`: i'd say i have to do so about 50% of the time (may have sth to do with the "exotic?" hardware i use and/or support) |
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| 21:36.03 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way to list all files/folders recursively so each file/dir would be shown with a full path, one per line? |
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| 21:36.39 | stew | bitmvnch: bah. it might be time to use the aptitude frontend |
| 21:36.55 | xjkx | sry to be offtopic but, when cd has nothing written on it, how do we call it in english?a virgn cd?virgn media cd?a clean cd?i am about to send an email, would appreciate a hand |
| 21:37.09 | pjz | xjkx: blank |
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| 21:37.17 | pjz | xjkx: a blank CD |
| 21:37.20 | xjkx | thanks |
| 21:37.31 | nkuttler | hid3: find |
| 21:37.33 | pjz | hid3: find |
| 21:37.33 | xjkx | ty pjz :) |
| 21:37.41 | hid3 | aaah, thanks guys! |
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| 21:38.41 | stew | pjz: try "dselect update" |
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| 21:39.06 | stew | pjz: which sometimes fixed /var/lib/apt/available or something |
| 21:39.07 | bitmvnch | stew: i can't get to aptitude in this VPS ;) |
| 21:39.36 | enouf | x_link: just do you know : I have 2 Debian installations here on 1 system - (1 Sid (Orig) and 1 Etch (New install)) .. While Etch is installed on a separate HDD (hda3) .. and Sid is on a different drive (hdc1) .. Grub is in MBR .. Point being: when I'm booted into Sid(hdc1) and mount Etch (on /mnt/p3Etch) .. I see myself as Owner/Group of all the "/home" and "/home/NewUserName" files on Etch .. IOW, I created a New User when installing Etch |
| 21:39.36 | enouf | (different name and passwd from Sid) .. I hope when you reinstalled, you went through the root and user setup process |
| 21:39.49 | stew | bitmvnch: get the .deb for stable adduser and dpkg -i it |
| 21:39.54 | bitmvnch | good idea. |
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| 21:40.15 | stew | bitmvnch: which is going to the first time fail and tell you how to force the downgrade, iirc |
| 21:40.25 | pjz | stew: same thing |
| 21:40.30 | pjz | stew: good thought though |
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| 21:40.59 | cydork | pjz, tried to run strace ? |
| 21:41.03 | stew | !available |
| 21:41.03 | dpkg | i heard available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 21:41.11 | stew | pjz:try that ^^ |
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| 21:41.25 | pjz | stew: did. still failed though. |
| 21:41.26 | daqqal | i installed the grsecurity patch and compiled 2.6.18 but still my memory keeps going down when i scp files |
| 21:41.42 | pjz | cydork: yeah, it fails after a bunch of gettimeofday() calls |
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| 21:42.06 | spry | I'm getting a strange error output from tar, and the weird thing is I can't redirect the output with more/less or saving it to a text file with "> txtfile.txt" for example. any idea? |
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| 21:42.24 | pjz | spry: it's probably going to stderr instead of stdout |
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| 21:42.56 | pjz | spry: so tar -xjzvf foo.tar >txtfile.txt 2>&1 |
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| 21:43.43 | Goejk | Er, hi guys |
| 21:43.54 | Goejk | I fucked something up, I downloaded and installed the wrong kernel image XD |
| 21:44.00 | Goejk | Linux won't even boot. |
| 21:44.00 | cydork | pjz, paste the tail of the strace.. |
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| 21:44.18 | Goejk | How can I fix this and compile the right kernel |
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| 21:44.27 | enouf | Goejk: boot into the old kernel |
| 21:44.35 | Goejk | enouf, how? |
| 21:44.40 | Goejk | I can do it right now, I'm on my lappy |
| 21:44.45 | enouf | how did you do it prior? |
| 21:44.53 | Goejk | I downloaded a .deb |
| 21:45.00 | Goejk | And installed |
| 21:45.08 | Goejk | Actually, the kernel version shouldnt matter |
| 21:45.08 | enouf | a .deb to boot into your old jernel? |
| 21:45.12 | bitmvnch | stew: is this possibly because i tried 'upgrade' from stable to testing instead of dist-upgrade? i offered to the client to dist-upgrade him to testing, or to dist-upgrade him back to stable. |
| 21:45.14 | Goejk | it should still boot |
| 21:45.23 | Goejk | enouf, nah for a new one |
| 21:45.23 | spry | pjs, turns out it's a ulimit problem :P but I can't extract tar :P |
| 21:45.28 | Nico | hello everybody, if i'got an installed package (on my computer), on can I know which kind of pakcgae it is (contrib, main, non-free) ? |
| 21:45.29 | Goejk | How would I boot into my old kernel? |
| 21:45.33 | Goejk | If I could do that |
| 21:45.37 | Goejk | That would be awesome |
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| 21:46.06 | nkuttler | Goejk: well... did you remove/overwrite the old, working kernel? |
| 21:46.12 | enouf | Goejk: not smart .. but boot into the old one ..Use a LiveCD to clean up your mess maybe ..can you get to Grub screen |
| 21:46.44 | Goejk | nkuttle, I wouldn't know man, I wasn't thinking straight - under the weather etc. |
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| 21:47.03 | Goejk | I just used a gtk package manager (YES, I know! >_<) to install the .deb |
| 21:47.10 | Goejk | I just double clicked it, and up it came |
| 21:47.14 | Goejk | Installed. |
| 21:47.18 | Goejk | Then rebooted. |
| 21:47.32 | Goejk | I don't actually have grub, I have lilo. |
| 21:47.52 | enouf | Goejk: ... aha .. well you should've atleast rerun LiLo before rebooting |
| 21:48.00 | baziki | Hi people! 10 minutes ago I have install the debian. This is my first debian installation. I have a problem - it is failed to boot from HDD. GRUB started, then loaded kernel, then I see string 'boot' and then computer is hangs. WHY?? Please HELP!! (sorry if it is offtopic) |
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| 21:48.24 | nkuttler | enouf: shouldn't the postinst script do that? |
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| 21:48.43 | Goejk | enouf, I wouldn't have known to do that, I've not mucked around with the kernel before. |
| 21:48.46 | Goejk | :( |
| 21:49.20 | pjz | cydork: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4505 |
| 21:49.22 | enouf | nkuttler: not from what I'm hearing about LiLo .. Grub is entirely a different matter though .. /msg dpkg upgrade kernel sarge (or similar) |
| 21:49.36 | enouf | nkuttler: I don;'t use lilo though and never have |
| 21:49.48 | pjz | baziki: press enter? |
| 21:49.55 | manic | I am attempting to set up raid1 on sarge. I made a mistake earlier and need to delete the array and recreate it. I have followed the man page an the information on debain-administration to no avail. It will appear to work but on a reboot returns to the original configuration. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to remove /dev/md0 |
| 21:49.57 | daqqal | i scp a file to my debian box and it takes away a chunk of memory, then when i delete that file, the memory is released, whats going on? |
| 21:50.06 | Goejk | grub wasnt working on my system with debian, lilo was really my only option |
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| 21:50.32 | nkuttler | what was it again to see the lilo menu? tab, shift,...? |
| 21:50.42 | cydork | pjz, and somelines before that |
| 21:50.43 | pjz | nkuttler: hold down leftshift |
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| 21:51.01 | nkuttler | Goejk: hold down leftshift and see if you get kernels to choose from |
| 21:51.01 | pjz | cydork: there's like 200-300 lines just like that gettimeofday |
| 21:51.16 | peterS | daqqal: maybe you're storing the file on a tmpfs? |
| 21:51.36 | anabain | hi, I have a .txt file encoded in utf-8 and I want it to be in iso-8859-15. How can I recode it? |
| 21:51.45 | Goejk | holding... |
| 21:51.50 | peterS | nkuttler: alternatively just turn on scroll lock before lilo starts up, then there's nothing to hold down (: |
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| 21:52.02 | Goejk | I think I started too late |
| 21:52.13 | peterS | anabain: iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-15 < file.txt > file2.txt |
| 21:52.24 | anabain | I have tried recode iso-8859-15 file.txt and it does not work |
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| 21:52.31 | anabain | thanks, peterS |
| 21:53.08 | baziki | pjzL ;) no, press reset.... I tried LILO too - same effect! |
| 21:53.37 | Goejk | Ooh |
| 21:53.39 | Goejk | LinuxOLD |
| 21:53.40 | mirak | cydork: stow is innefficient at deleting files |
| 21:53.40 | Goejk | Awesome. |
| 21:53.45 | Goejk | Thanks for the leftshift thing |
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| 21:54.17 | Goejk | Okay, now I've just got BusyBox/ash. |
| 21:54.39 | faderhval | does debian sarge come with X and Lilo ?? |
| 21:54.53 | streuner | sure |
| 21:54.55 | Goejk | ./bin/sh cannot acvcess tty for job control is turned off. |
| 21:54.57 | daqqal | peter : it's not tempfs |
| 21:55.08 | cydork | pjz, hmm i dont know why the timezone is NULL |
| 21:55.12 | streuner | !tell faderhval about ig |
| 21:55.28 | nkuttler | Goejk: can you run lilo? |
| 21:55.43 | cydork | mirak, hmm i never had problems |
| 21:56.06 | mirak | cydork: it scans all the disk |
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| 21:56.43 | mirak | cydork: stow --dir=/usr/local/stow --target=/ vdrconf |
| 21:56.51 | mirak | cydork: this is the line I used |
| 21:57.12 | Goejk | cydork, how would I do that? |
| 21:57.44 | Goejk | i mean |
| 21:57.47 | Goejk | nkuttle& |
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| 21:57.51 | Goejk | nkuttler* |
| 21:58.20 | vanisher | hmm for some reason i get no network on vmware workstation 5.5 |
| 21:59.19 | cydork | mirak, it does scan the dir check http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/manual.html#SEC5 |
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| 22:00.38 | Goejk | nkuttler, I am at a ASH prompt |
| 22:00.49 | Goejk | (initramfs) __input__ |
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| 22:01.04 | Goejk | What could I do from here? =/ |
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| 22:02.06 | Goejk | Could someone help please? |
| 22:02.31 | mirak | cydork: well that's too much in case of / |
| 22:02.35 | Goejk | enouf? |
| 22:02.41 | Goejk | I'm on my old kernel |
| 22:02.44 | Goejk | What could I do now? |
| 22:02.50 | Goejk | I'm at a very restricted ASH prompt |
| 22:03.49 | cydork | mirak, ya i agree |
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| 22:05.33 | Goejk | enouf, nkuttler? I've gotten so far with both of your help, what could I do next? :( |
| 22:05.40 | Goejk | I really want to get this baby up and running =( |
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| 22:05.55 | Cooner750 | Are there any free audio stream servers available for Linux? |
| 22:06.15 | zinx | Yes. |
| 22:06.48 | Cooner750 | and they/it is/are? |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | Goejk: I really have no idea, save to suggest a livecd rescue mode or something (even the etch installer and boot using 'rescue') .. either you need to chroot into your old setup abnd run dpkg to remove(reverse) whatever you did (though highly doubtful IMHO), and/or Rerun LiLo somehow and point it at the older kernel .. dunno |
| 22:07.28 | zinx | i refuse to answer since 'audio stream server' turns at least one up in 'apt-cache search' |
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| 22:07.32 | pjz | is there a way to force apt-get to do an update? |
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| 22:08.31 | Cooner750 | pjz: apt-get update ? |
| 22:08.45 | enouf | Goejk: look into also what "dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-XXX" may or may not be able to do for you (note: it may be named "linux-image-XXX") |
| 22:09.05 | cydork | Cooner750, icecast? |
| 22:09.10 | enouf | Goejk: oh .. I forgot .. you d/l and installed a .deb .. not an image |
| 22:09.18 | Goejk | Yeah :( |
| 22:09.27 | Goejk | I was going to get an image, but got a .deb in the end for some reason |
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| 22:10.22 | enouf | Goejk: last resort .. maybe install the "linux-image-XXX" .. but you'll need to tell lilo about it somehow .. mucho docs on google and tldp.org about lilo no? |
| 22:10.31 | Goejk | Well |
| 22:10.35 | Goejk | I'm on ASH |
| 22:10.41 | Goejk | I'm not even like on my proper system =/ |
| 22:10.42 | pjz | Cooner750: ah, but what if it thinks those are up to date, but I think they're corrupt and want them reloaded? |
| 22:10.46 | Goejk | I don't have stuff like apt |
| 22:10.53 | Goejk | its initramfs |
| 22:10.56 | mrkris | anyone ever experience an ssh session freezing when logging in and doing say, 'ps aux' or 'more <filename>' |
| 22:10.57 | enouf | Goejk: a liveCD will :-p |
| 22:11.26 | Goejk | Hmm, yes. |
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| 22:11.30 | Goejk | I'm thinking that's what I need to do. |
| 22:11.37 | Goejk | With a LiveCD, what would I be looking to do? |
| 22:11.51 | enouf | Goejk: look into grml.org <-- sys admin livecd |
| 22:12.04 | enouf | Goejk: scroll up and read :-) |
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| 22:12.42 | Goejk | I am SO going to make a cron job to backup every single PC that is unfortunate enough to be in my hands from now on |
| 22:12.53 | Goejk | Cheers for the link :) |
| 22:12.59 | pjz | "HAH |
| 22:13.12 | pjz | apt-get: NEENER NEENER NEENER I FIXED YOU |
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| 22:13.31 | pjz | For the record, if your packages.bin gets corrupted, you can segfault |
| 22:13.36 | pjz | and then you just Lose |
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| 22:13.59 | enouf | Goejk: yep :-) .. see "man rsync" as well as netcat |
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| 22:15.05 | Goejk | <3 netcat :) |
| 22:15.22 | Goejk | Hmm, I guess I could use that to auto-transfer that to another box. |
| 22:15.34 | Goejk | But, my Ext. HDD will be mounted anyway |
| 22:15.35 | Goejk | So no need |
| 22:16.03 | peterS | Goejk: yes, I've used the debian-installer version of netcat to transfer files during an install. fun. |
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| 22:18.00 | enouf | peterS: have a quick look at svn.debian.org .. do you think the svn://svn.xxx.xxx links are broken (as I presume) .. or are they like that for maintainers and for uploading using ssh? |
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| 22:18.17 | mango | hi , I have just upgraded my system to debian sarge, however I accidedently removed gnome desktop, could anyone please tell me how install the latest version up, thanks |
| 22:18.37 | stew | mango: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 22:18.39 | scip | hoi, does anyone know how to configure the 'mail' program to use a specific smtp server to send mail ? |
| 22:18.40 | secher | I have a business partner. He's technically challenged. I want to give him a 'network drive' he can connect to from essentially anywhere. Windoze does not seem to like connecting to a samba share over the 'Net. Suggestions for solutions/packages/alternates? |
| 22:18.41 | peterS | enouf: svn:// and svn+ssh:// URLs are different. if you have svn://svn.debian.org/foo the equivalent for ssh access is svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/foo |
| 22:18.59 | secher | Hrm... I guess that's not exactly OT is it.. |
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| 22:19.39 | Kim^J | Hi all. Does the Debian Sarge kernel have loop support? |
| 22:19.46 | enouf | peterS: thank you .. did not know that .. now see the funky URLs .. even though the Source HTML looks fine , the resulting link appends some stuff |
| 22:19.47 | secher | loopback? |
| 22:19.55 | mango | stew: thanks |
| 22:20.23 | Kim^J | secher: I don't really know exactly. He just said loop support. Gonna mount some image files. |
| 22:20.30 | secher | Yes, it does. |
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| 22:20.49 | peterS | Kim^J: you may or may not have to 'modprobe loop' |
| 22:20.53 | enouf | peterS: I'm thinking because of the trailing / at the end of each "svn://svn.debian.org/pkg/" in the source code |
| 22:21.15 | peterS | enouf: what are you talking about? what source code? what HTML? where? |
| 22:21.28 | enouf | peterS: at svn.debian.org |
| 22:21.29 | secher | Kim^J: hrm.. now I want to remember. one sec. |
| 22:21.56 | enouf | peterS: two columns, one for WebSVN and the other (problem) for direct svn acces |
| 22:22.06 | Kim^J | secher: Ok. |
| 22:22.09 | peterS | enouf: they look fine to me |
| 22:22.24 | peterS | enouf: the links in the second column don't work from a browser because a browser isn't a subversion client |
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| 22:22.29 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 22:22.29 | jetx | wtf nobody missed me :( |
| 22:22.45 | Sp4rKy | does exists some application in debian likke Launchpad ? |
| 22:22.46 | blondie | jetx: who are you? :P |
| 22:22.56 | Sp4rKy | but totally open-source ? |
| 22:22.56 | enouf | peterS: here's a broken sample link http://svn.debian.org/svn://svn.debian.org/aa-project/ |
| 22:23.15 | enouf | peterS: even thought the source html does not appear that way |
| 22:23.26 | peterS | enouf: reread what I just said |
| 22:23.26 | jetx | does anybody know of up-to-date sid dvd's? |
| 22:23.29 | cydork | !wayttd enouf |
| 22:23.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, enouf? |
| 22:23.35 | jetx | the .hu ones are from june |
| 22:23.48 | peterS | enouf: the link will not work in a browser because the browser is not a subversion client. it does not recognose the "svn://" prefix so it thinks it is a relative link, relative to the current URL |
| 22:23.48 | secher | Kim^J: I did have it correct: mount -o loop -t <image's file system> /path/to/image /mnt |
| 22:23.55 | enouf | peterS: here's a piece of the source HTML --> |
| 22:23.57 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.03 | muh2000 | code problem with Midnight comander -> http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2387/linuxmcra1.jpg |
| 22:24.16 | peterS | enouf: reread what I just said. again. |
| 22:24.23 | enouf | but it comes out funky when copying and pasting or clicking the link |
| 22:24.26 | peterS | enouf: I'm not going to type it a third time |
| 22:24.26 | enouf | ok |
| 22:24.27 | Kim^J | secher: ok. |
| 22:24.46 | jetx | secher: i usually have to be root, but yeah |
| 22:24.47 | blondie | enouf: that's your client's fault |
| 22:24.49 | secher | Kim^J: you can prolly skip the -t bit, mount will try and guess the fs type. |
| 22:24.56 | jetx | -t auto |
| 22:25.02 | secher | jetx: Oh. lol.. good point. |
| 22:25.10 | blondie | enouf: get a decent web browser -- Firefox doesn't do what you're saying |
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| 22:25.14 | enouf | peterS: Ok .. right .. I understand that .. but if i try to paste that as a Checkout into an svn client like Rapidsvn .. it's still borked! |
| 22:25.28 | blondie | enouf: that's your client's fault! |
| 22:25.38 | blondie | your web browser |
| 22:25.40 | enouf | blondie: I guess links2 -g stinks ... so does konqui |
| 22:25.48 | blondie | enouf: works fine in Firefox. |
| 22:25.48 | peterS | enouf: why are you pasting the 'link target' rather than just the text on the page? |
| 22:25.56 | Kim^J | secher: Hmm... I got it to work on another way. fdisk didn't really wanna play with me but cfdisk works. |
| 22:25.56 | enouf | blondie: ok .. thanks for testing |
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| 22:26.23 | secher | fdisk? what's that got to do with mounting an image? |
| 22:26.31 | secher | Kk, whatever works. |
| 22:26.47 | enouf | peterS: ok .. will do that then .. but that doesn't take you to upstream or trunk .. whatever ... as Long as I know it's on my end and not something that needs to be fixed .. ok the end |
| 22:27.00 | Kim^J | secher: Mounting an image was an alternative way to do what I need. |
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| 22:27.40 | secher | Kim^J: what was the command you used to mount the image using cfdisk? |
| 22:28.11 | peterS | enouf: this is why God gave us 'svn ls', so you can find out how a repository is organized. which is, by the way, entirely controlled by the project, not by the svn.debian.org admins. |
| 22:28.14 | enouf | See how I have my "own" unique Bugs? .. this is why I'm very hesitant to file bug reports :-) |
| 22:28.21 | cahoot | su |
| 22:28.23 | cahoot | Moongoo0 |
| 22:28.30 | Kim^J | secher: I don't mount an image... He told me that I could create 100mb images instead of 100mb partions. But cfdisk is able to make the partions so I go that way. |
| 22:28.34 | stew | oops |
| 22:28.41 | secher | KKk. |
| 22:28.43 | enouf | peterS: and svn co I presume .. heh |
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| 22:29.32 | peterS | enouf: you don't "svn co" blindly, you might end up with 600 full copies of the tree because you picked up the 'tags' directory. you poke around first with svn ls. |
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| 22:30.21 | enouf | peterS: I see .. i figured that out already after inadvertantly d/.l the entire world :-p |
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| 22:30.38 | enouf | peterS: webSVN can help there too for that |
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| 22:31.11 | peterS | enouf: right, websvn works too. btw, if you try to "svn co" the entire apache repository, the server literally won't let you do it. it detects that particular pattern of requests and refuses |
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| 22:31.39 | peterS | enouf: this is via http, and a special apache svn module called "mod_dontdothat" |
| 22:31.43 | enouf | peterS: ok .. thanks for your help and knowledge .. starting to get the hang of it .. maybe |
| 22:32.16 | enouf | hehe .. d-o-n-t--y-o-u--even try |
| 22:32.17 | peterS | I haven't decided whether to provide mod_dontdothat in debian. I think I'd want to rename it to make it clear that it is subversion-specific |
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| 22:33.04 | peterS | enouf: my idea for the name of mod_dontdothat, since it is an add-on for mod_dav_svn (DAV == distributed authoring / versioning): "mod_imsorry_dav" |
| 22:33.09 | jetx | is there some tool i can tell it "download all i386 packages from the debian repository"? |
| 22:33.16 | mikel28 | HOW the hell can this nullmodem cable be double wired!.. http://www.nullmodem.com/DB-9.htm (check "Common Null-Modem Connection" scheme) line 4 is wired double with six and one? |
| 22:33.17 | jetx | my perl-fu sux |
| 22:33.20 | enouf | peterS: sounds inviting .. I'd love to get a preview of te error messages |
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| 22:33.31 | enouf | heh |
| 22:33.37 | kml | is it possible to rebuild the raid superblock with mdadm? |
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| 22:33.44 | Nico | Hello, if i modify my sources.list file, how can I remove packages that are not on the new repositories that my sources.list uses ? |
| 22:33.59 | jetx | just remove them usually works for me |
| 22:34.05 | peterS | enouf: it's kind of boring. try it: svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf |
| 22:34.17 | enouf | peterS: be sure to put a few doozies in the source so we can grep those at a later time :-) |
| 22:34.18 | peterS | the error isn't exciting , just a "400 Bad Request" |
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| 22:34.55 | enouf | peterS: hehe |
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| 22:35.30 | Nico | no idea, i want to remove package that are NOT in the repos pointed by my sources.list ... |
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| 22:36.42 | jetx | Nico: i said, just remove them usually works for me |
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| 22:36.53 | jetx | course i use dselect |
| 22:36.58 | jetx | the god of packagemanagers |
| 22:37.02 | tvn | what is the command to add different repository addresses to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:37.07 | Nico | yes, but if i don't know who they are, how can I found that ? |
| 22:37.09 | enouf | goes away for a bit |
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| 22:37.24 | meredydd | Has there yet been an official Debian response to the Sun Java open-sourcing malarkey? |
| 22:37.25 | tvn | command to to select and add new repository |
| 22:37.26 | jetx | Nico: dselect will tell you, of course nobody likes dselect |
| 22:37.35 | jetx | they say 'obsolete' |
| 22:37.38 | jetx | cant miss em |
| 22:37.42 | adrakoa | Nico: dpkg -l | grep package-strange | dpkg --purge |
| 22:37.49 | abrotman | meredydd: what were you expecting? |
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| 22:38.01 | jelly | abrotman: fanfare! |
| 22:38.02 | peterS | meredydd: not that I've heard. unofficially we're all like "w00t .... but when do we get the whole jdk" |
| 22:38.12 | Nico | adrakoa : thx |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | we have it already |
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| 22:38.22 | meredydd | abrotman: Well, presumably, an intent to package and chuck it in the main tree |
| 22:38.24 | jetx | tvn: apt-spy? |
| 22:38.26 | abrotman | !java |
| 22:38.26 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 22:38.35 | abrotman | notice the second to last sentence |
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| 22:38.51 | peterS | abrotman: right, non-free doesn't count |
| 22:38.55 | abrotman | meredydd: not in main .. but then again .. the whole thing isn't GPLed yet |
| 22:38.59 | meredydd | mmkay |
| 22:39.13 | abrotman | meredydd: they don't expect the whole JDK to be GPL until the spring/summer next year |
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| 22:39.23 | peterS | meredydd: this is perfect timing, you know. with a release in about a month, there's no way any free java bits will get into it. maybe the next debian release. |
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| 22:39.38 | meredydd | I still have what I assume to be an "old-style" setup, with a non-free Sun tarball exploded in /usr/local/lib/j2sdk1.x.x |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | peterS: all done to spite debian no doubt!~ |
| 22:39.48 | vanisher | is it advisable to upgrade the sarge kernel to 2.6? if so, how |
| 22:39.50 | abrotman | meredydd: have you tried java-package ? |
| 22:39.56 | abrotman | vanisher: which CPU do you have ? |
| 22:39.57 | meredydd | Eh, that's fine. I track unstable anyway. |
| 22:40.04 | meredydd | abrotman: I think that's how I got what I have now. |
| 22:40.07 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:40.26 | vanisher | abrotman: currently running within vmware workstation, the final place will be on intel |
| 22:40.29 | meredydd | Anyway, it doesn't matter. For now, I can just grab the latest non-free tarball, extract it, change the /usr/local/jdk symlink, and I'm set |
| 22:40.30 | the_mug | hola amigos. |
| 22:40.39 | eeyore- | neato. instlinux has the installer for a few different distros, can be run from windows, etc. i have this x22 here that doesn't have cdrom so it's perfect for installing linux this way :-) |
| 22:40.43 | jetx | how many gigs is sid, all arch-es |
| 22:40.47 | abrotman | vanisher: eh ... apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:40.47 | the_mug | how can I change the locale from UTC to CST ? |
| 22:40.49 | vanisher | abrotman: it's for shared hosting |
| 22:40.52 | peterS | meredydd: one thing we _do_ like about the sun announcement: the java logo is under a BSD license now. unlike the Mozilla logos, which are unmodifiable and thus debian couldn't use them. mozilla corp seems to think this is a necessary strategy for protecting a trademark. we're glad Sun disagrees. |
| 22:40.53 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 22:40.54 | pjz | leave #debian |
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| 22:41.01 | jetx | the_mug: tzconfig |
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| 22:41.04 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 19460 packages, 1751 maintainers, 45116 MB installed size, 14961 MB compressed size. |
| 22:41.09 | eeyore- | does anybody know what happened to phatlinux? was it real? |
| 22:41.14 | peterS | not because we care so much about the java mascot logo, it's just that they're setting a good example (: |
| 22:41.17 | the_mug | jetx: thanks |
| 22:41.23 | jetx | the_mug: also, check /etc/defaults/(i forgot) there's a use utc setting in one of them |
| 22:41.48 | xuser | !sid |
| 22:41.48 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:41.53 | jetx | oh only 15gigs eh... thanks |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | an rsync a day keeps the free bandwidth away ? |
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| 22:42.29 | xuser | !testing |
| 22:42.29 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 22:42.44 | abrotman | xuser: msg the bot |
| 22:42.48 | the_mug | jetx: tzconfig did the trick. |
| 22:42.52 | xuser | abrotman: k |
| 22:43.10 | vanisher | abrotman: is it always good to run the latest debian kernel? |
| 22:43.22 | abrotman | depends on your needs |
| 22:43.26 | eeyore- | vanisher: yes |
| 22:43.30 | abrotman | not all hardware works with 2.6 that worked with 2.4 |
| 22:43.32 | jetx | the_mug: that thing in /etc/defaults is for your clock to show/use utc... you can still be set to cst and it does that. just fyi |
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| 22:43.45 | vanisher | abrotman, what is a good reading source for kernel updates? |
| 22:43.51 | abrotman | which updates? |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | from kernel.org or debian ? |
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| 22:44.04 | the_mug | jetx: ah yeah. it's using it. |
| 22:44.13 | the_mug | jetx: thanks again. |
| 22:44.13 | jelly | that dstats thing says etch binaries will barely fit on 3DVD |
| 22:44.15 | the_mug | cheers |
| 22:44.33 | vanisher | debian i guess? or is there also a possibility to update a kernel to a newer version? |
| 22:44.40 | abrotman | there is |
| 22:44.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: suits you right for using antiquated hardware |
| 22:45.02 | jetx | heh |
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| 22:45.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: works just fine in 2.4! |
| 22:45.14 | jetx | look at mr tnt2 talk, iirc |
| 22:45.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: this is year 2006! |
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| 22:45.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: they were cutting edge in .. 1996! |
| 22:45.25 | jetx | what vid card eeyore- ? |
| 22:45.25 | eeyore- | we got gigabits over copper |
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| 22:45.42 | eeyore- | jetx: hmm? here? now? older radeon 9500 |
| 22:45.45 | abrotman | eeyore-: not everyone works for a fancy company like you that hates kids from the east coast :) |
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| 22:45.55 | jetx | oh musta been another wan |
| 22:45.57 | vanisher | lol |
| 22:46.01 | eeyore- | jetx: probably |
| 22:46.02 | vanisher | it's for shared hosting |
| 22:46.23 | eeyore- | abrotman: we don't hate you. told ya. common bargaining tactics, i presume |
| 22:46.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: not a peep ... |
| 22:46.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, my boss is coming down tomorrow, and we'll talk about my replacement. |
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| 22:47.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: i nominate Guerin :) |
| 22:47.16 | eeyore- | mmmmmm |
| 22:47.16 | jetx | okie wget -m 'ing debian, yay |
| 22:47.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'd love to see him get americanized :) |
| 22:47.43 | eeyore- | mmmmmmm |
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| 22:50.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm pretty happy. my normally loud desktop is now quiet :-) |
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| 22:51.38 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.47 | smo | hi all |
| 22:52.22 | eeyore- | hey smo |
| 22:52.48 | smo | i made a good live cd why live-package (debian-live/casper) and i search a way to integrate or find a way to integrate the debian installer... google doesn t help me |
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| 22:52.55 | smo | any idear? |
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| 22:53.56 | itrebal | whats the deal with lots of missing fonts on Etch? |
| 22:54.38 | peterS | itrebal: like what fonts? |
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| 22:55.14 | itrebal | peterS: I'm just missing all sorts of fonts, things arn't being displayed how they should be.. I'm installing fonts in the repository as I find them now |
| 22:55.46 | eeyore- | itrebal: modular X? |
| 22:56.15 | itrebal | eeyore-: I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but I am using X, and I would think its modular if its the default |
| 22:56.41 | tvn | I just installed Debian from a minimal base cd, what's the package name for xorg ? apt-get install ..something... |
| 22:56.50 | peterS | tvn: apt-get install xorg |
| 22:57.05 | tvn | oh, that's it ? thanks, no x-windows-sys?? |
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| 22:57.21 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:57.35 | odla | tvn: apt-get install x-windows-system |
| 22:57.40 | odla | if that's what you want |
| 22:57.48 | peterS | odla: uh, no. for one thing you misspelled it |
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| 22:58.01 | Guerin | !x windows |
| 22:58.01 | dpkg | It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X |
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| 22:58.14 | odla | peterS: ok you don't have to be an ass |
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| 22:58.28 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 22:58.30 | peterS | odla: when he's asking what the package name is, a misspelled package name is useless |
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| 22:58.58 | eeyore- | Guerin: that's right. that's my job. |
| 22:59.12 | Guerin | eeyore-: mine! |
| 23:00.06 | JordiGH | Can I play too? |
| 23:00.25 | Guerin | JordiGH: it's already crowded enough her in the nasty seat. |
| 23:00.29 | Guerin | herE |
| 23:01.03 | jetx | in etch or sid it's apt-get install xorg btw |
| 23:01.53 | tvn | what is the command to configure the xorg xserver ? (it's dpkg-reconfigure something) ? |
| 23:02.06 | cydork | drxx tvn |
| 23:02.07 | jetx | xorg |
| 23:02.08 | tvn | I am using etch by the way |
| 23:02.12 | peterS | tvn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:02.13 | cydork | !drxx tvn |
| 23:02.13 | dpkg | tvn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:02.18 | jetx | xorg == something |
| 23:02.49 | jetx | oh yeah it's fixed btw you're so lucky |
| 23:03.03 | jetx | oh hey |
| 23:03.14 | jetx | would anybody like to buy linspire from me :) |
| 23:03.39 | cydork | jetx, hell no.. go to #ubuntu :P |
| 23:03.40 | eeyore- | why? |
| 23:03.58 | Guerin | buy ...? |
| 23:04.06 | eeyore- | try! |
| 23:04.08 | jetx | cydork: i'll sell you a cd that just happens to have ubuntu on it if you wish |
| 23:04.13 | Guerin | wtf would we buys something that's shitter than what we already get for free? |
| 23:04.19 | jetx | but i'll only charge you fro the cd |
| 23:04.32 | jetx | Guerin: your sense of humor is atrophied |
| 23:04.36 | jetx | :) |
| 23:04.44 | jetx | ie, it was a joke |
| 23:04.47 | mikel28 | i have a serial connection trough SLIP between two pc's, how can i route traffic from the client via my gateway (client: 192.168.0.10) ? |
| 23:04.55 | cydork | jetx, :) |
| 23:04.57 | Guerin | jetx: i'm aware that Linspire is a joke ... |
| 23:04.58 | mikel28 | on the server, the ip for this ppp interface is 192.168.0.20 |
| 23:05.15 | cydork | Guerin, have you seen their new building? |
| 23:05.28 | peterS | does it have a spire? |
| 23:05.28 | JordiGH | Linspire has a /building/? |
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| 23:05.59 | Guerin | cydork: is it shaped like a big playskool L? |
| 23:06.19 | jetx | i dunno, it's not as bad as rh :) |
| 23:06.25 | Guerin | i disagree |
| 23:06.39 | Guerin | paying for apt repositories which aren't fucked is *evil* |
| 23:06.49 | cydork | Guerin, http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Linspire_is_Moving |
| 23:06.52 | Guerin | it's a classic case of 'break it and make users pay for the fix' |
| 23:07.07 | cydork | </ot> |
| 23:07.07 | JordiGH | All non-Debian talk is infidelity and will be dealt with swift and just retribution. |
| 23:07.18 | jetx | Guerin: just fyi, linspire 5.0 is basically sarge.... i just upgraded it to sarge |
| 23:07.32 | jetx | it's like 2 or 3 minor versions behind |
| 23:07.42 | Guerin | jetx: you get to keep all the pieces! |
| 23:07.48 | mikel28 | guys, i have an ppp interface on this machine.. and i would like to route the traffic to it, to my inet gateway |
| 23:07.56 | jetx | Guerin: good i like puzzles |
| 23:08.11 | jetx | not ones with missing pieces though |
| 23:08.18 | mikel28 | the ip of the interface is 192.168.0.20, and the ip of my gw is 192.168.1.1 > what route command should i use? |
| 23:08.27 | mikel28 | (im not really good in routing :() |
| 23:08.33 | cydork | jetx, why the did you buy it in first place? |
| 23:09.04 | jetx | cydork: what makes you think i had to pay for it? :) somebody bought a cheap fry's box and paid me to remove it |
| 23:09.24 | cydork | jetx, :) |
| 23:09.27 | enouf | you removed a cd? oh joy |
| 23:09.38 | jetx | i installed that evil os on it |
| 23:09.41 | Guerin | so ... someone paid YOU to take it and you STILL want to get rid of it? |
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| 23:09.55 | honschu | How long is a char in kernel-land? |
| 23:10.04 | enouf | that tray doubles as a up holder don't ya know |
| 23:10.10 | JordiGH | Isn't a char always one byte? |
| 23:10.15 | Guerin | no |
| 23:10.24 | rumpl | honschu, 8 bits? 1 byte no? |
| 23:10.30 | Guerin | c h a r <- 4 |
| 23:10.32 | honschu | JordiGH: I thought so too |
| 23:10.38 | honschu | rumpl: I think so too |
| 23:10.42 | cydork | honschu, depends on 32 or 64 :P |
| 23:10.42 | honschu | but i'm not sure |
| 23:10.43 | JordiGH | No, wait. Everything else is measured in terms of bytes. There are two-byte chars, unicode. :-/ |
| 23:10.46 | jetx | Guerin: sure, i'll take all the free profit i can get |
| 23:10.48 | rumpl | yes it is. |
| 23:11.01 | JordiGH | Er, in terms of chars. At least in C++. I imagine C is similar. |
| 23:11.03 | honschu | cydork: I think that is for int |
| 23:11.04 | rumpl | yes now with the 64 it's different ... |
| 23:11.38 | jetx | i'd be a ferengi if i wasn't so damn good-looking |
| 23:12.04 | enouf | babydoll? |
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| 23:13.45 | tvn | my /etc/resolv.conf which lists the dns search server address always get rewritten whenever the system reboot . Is there a way to keep it untouched ? |
| 23:14.14 | rumpl | what is written instead? |
| 23:14.40 | abrotman | it uses the ones it gets from dhcp ? |
| 23:14.43 | jetx | tvn: yes iirc but i forget exactly how... i think it's in man resolv.conf |
| 23:14.48 | rumpl | you can delete the dhclient from /etc/init.d... |
| 23:14.48 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 23:14.48 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 23:14.55 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 23:15.02 | Bhavesh | dpkg: used curse words |
| 23:15.13 | Guerin | !swear |
| 23:15.13 | dpkg | guerin you are the biggest, most stupid asshole i have laid my shiny metal eyes on |
| 23:15.19 | jetx | Bhavesh: you should have seen him before |
| 23:15.21 | JordiGH | dpkg is nsfw. |
| 23:15.25 | Bhavesh | damn |
| 23:15.28 | tvn | lol, everything I asked has solutions |
| 23:15.30 | mango | it is me again. one of my pcs has a dual boot system, running debian and windows. Somehow grup failed to start. when the machine is turned on I can only see grup in white on a black screen and nothing else. I have knoppix version that only run without the xserver, My question is, how can I reinstall grup again. thanks |
| 23:15.31 | jetx | i liked the fuck factoid |
| 23:15.32 | Bhavesh | jetx: was it even better? :) |
| 23:15.35 | jetx | !fuck something |
| 23:15.42 | jetx | gone now :( |
| 23:15.42 | cydork | !fuck you |
| 23:15.43 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 23:15.47 | jetx | lol |
| 23:15.48 | cydork | :) |
| 23:15.49 | peterS | pwned |
| 23:15.50 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 23:15.52 | Guerin | it's been excised |
| 23:15.54 | JordiGH | mango: Did you install Windows after Debian? |
| 23:16.02 | Bhavesh | poor thing.. he is not half the bot he used to be :) |
| 23:16.20 | peterS | jetx: you're thinking of the mhallsmite factoid. but please use /msg, the bot has had enough pointless exercise for this 30-minute period |
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| 23:16.43 | jetx | mango: usually some type of chroot, mount /proc, then grub-install hd0 works for me |
| 23:16.57 | jetx | mango: also you can use that cd's grub to boot the install |
| 23:17.07 | mango | jordiGH: no, windows was running already, every thing was fine. but suddenly went oof |
| 23:17.12 | jetx | just hit c... or esc first if it's a gfxgrub |
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| 23:17.48 | jetx | then root (hdsomething) then configfile /path/to/menu.lst/ |
| 23:17.48 | Guerin | gfxgrub? |
| 23:17.55 | jetx | a graphical grub |
| 23:18.01 | Guerin | wtf is the point of that? |
| 23:18.03 | jetx | gfxboot, others |
| 23:18.07 | Guerin | ye gods |
| 23:18.11 | jetx | i dunno... it's there though |
| 23:18.18 | aarkerio | HI ! I get a 512 RAM laptop, but when I type "cat /proc/meminfo" I get: |
| 23:18.18 | jetx | pretty pictures? |
| 23:18.19 | aarkerio | MemTotal: 384816 kB |
| 23:18.31 | aarkerio | the bios recognize 512 MB |
| 23:18.54 | aarkerio | any idea? |
| 23:18.59 | Guerin | aarkerio: take it back |
| 23:19.13 | Guerin | aarkerio: tell them some of the ram appears to be faulty |
| 23:19.19 | JordiGH | Hm. I suppose there's no reason why free would disagree. |
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| 23:19.37 | mango | jetx: I don't really understand the . can not use knoppix with graphical user interface, and what happen if I install grub on the root patition which contains nearly every thing, Do I need to format it to have grub installed |
| 23:20.36 | h3sp4wn | aarkerio: Are you certain you have not got the onboard video set to use 128mb ? |
| 23:20.36 | enouf | demotes cydork for the non-participation in enouf's unique svn issues earlier .. you are hereby relegated to help-desk for debian off-shoots that have buildings made from play-dough |
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| 23:21.09 | Guerin | mango: you need no gui to fix grub. |
| 23:21.18 | Guerin | mango: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 23:21.19 | jetx | no you don't have to format, mango. usually i just chroot in, mount /proc, and use grub-install. also you can use the grub console as soon as grub starts, by hitting c. |
| 23:21.33 | jetx | and boot your debian like that |
| 23:21.48 | jetx | grub floppies really rock |
| 23:21.51 | Bhavesh | !curse |
| 23:21.51 | dpkg | well, swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
| 23:21.53 | jetx | (also) |
| 23:21.56 | Bhavesh | eeks |
| 23:22.05 | Bhavesh | he is pretty mean |
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| 23:22.10 | peterS | Bhavesh: please use /msg |
| 23:22.22 | Bhavesh | peterS: sorry |
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| 23:25.24 | itrebal | anyone familiar what the package of microsoft core TTF fonts are? IIRC it was msttfcore but now apt-cache doesn't find it |
| 23:26.03 | cydork | enouf, too much to read after 3 beers and i did asked wayttd |
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| 23:26.52 | eeyore- | itrebal: msttcorefonts |
| 23:27.28 | itrebal | hum.. I don't seem to have that, I bet I need to uncomment a few lines |
| 23:27.48 | itrebal | no.. weird |
| 23:28.25 | cydork | itrebal, you have contrib? |
| 23:28.40 | enouf | 3 beers? you lightweight :-p |
| 23:28.54 | itrebal | cydork: I've only got main |
| 23:29.13 | cydork | itrebal, it's in contrib.. |
| 23:29.21 | itrebal | i just added the line to my sources |
| 23:29.40 | cydork | enouf, :) |
| 23:29.47 | JordiGH | contrib? How are fonts contrib? You need non-free viewers to see them, but the fonts themselves are free, or what? |
| 23:30.10 | itrebal | thanks! |
| 23:30.39 | cydork | JordiGH, it downloads them so nothing non-free about them i guess :P |
| 23:31.10 | JordiGH | cydork? |
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| 23:31.27 | cydork | JordiGH, ? |
| 23:31.45 | JordiGH | cydork: I don't see how your response relates to my question. |
| 23:31.58 | JordiGH | cydork: It downloads them hence there's nothing non-free about them? |
| 23:32.02 | Guerin | JordiGH: yes, in a nutshell. |
| 23:32.07 | itrebal | hum.. I just installed it, but FF isn't seeing the fonts (I just restarted X) |
| 23:32.17 | JordiGH | Uh. But if they're in contrib, then they're not completely free... |
| 23:32.37 | JordiGH | itrebal: Sometimes I find that xfs helps. Is it installed? |
| 23:33.00 | Guerin | JordiGH: MS's license was such that they were released under the condition you could only distribute them in a certain archive, and then revoked |
| 23:33.11 | Guerin | JordiGH: but AIUI the fonts inside are free. |
| 23:33.29 | itrebal | JordiGH: nope |
| 23:33.32 | Guerin | bah, i haven't got the whole idea there |
| 23:34.06 | JordiGH | Ah. You had to distribute the fonts along with something else, is that it? |
| 23:34.20 | Guerin | JordiGH: in a particular cab-file |
| 23:34.28 | itrebal | JordiGH: after that should I restart X again? |
| 23:34.41 | JordiGH | itrebal: I think so... |
| 23:34.52 | JordiGH | itrebal: This is just a wild guess, though. :- |
| 23:34.54 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 23:35.06 | itrebal | alright, I'll be back in a moment [again] and its worth a shot, I've been wild guessing all night long :) |
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| 23:36.11 | itrebal | :/ not yet.. any other packages you'd suggest? |
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| 23:36.41 | JordiGH | No. Sorry. :-( |
| 23:36.48 | itrebal | heh, anyone else :)? |
| 23:36.49 | Cooner750 | What driver should Debian be using for my "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" video? |
| 23:36.56 | JordiGH | s3 |
| 23:37.02 | Guerin | no |
| 23:37.03 | Guerin | via |
| 23:37.06 | cydork | !which driver |
| 23:37.06 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 23:37.08 | cydork | Cooner750, ^^ |
| 23:37.12 | Guerin | !unichrome |
| 23:37.12 | dpkg | hmm... unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 23:37.32 | cyzie | hello, i just installed etch on my laptop today. how do i upgrade to unstable/sid ? |
| 23:37.43 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 23:37.43 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:37.53 | tvn | my monitor can display both 1280x1024 and 1024x768 , I have both available in the xorg.conf file ... is there an option to 'startx' to switch between those resolution modes ? |
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| 23:38.30 | Guerin | tvn: i just set up separate <Screen>s |
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| 23:38.44 | kozy | hey, I need to update the e1000 module to support my nic in linux-image-2.6.16-1-xen-em64t-p4. I do apt-get source but I get the source from 2.6.18. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 23:39.06 | enouf | tvn just use ctrl-alt-+/- |
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| 23:39.27 | tvn | enouf: doesn't seem to do anything |
| 23:39.42 | enouf | tvn: then something is b0rrken |
| 23:39.49 | JordiGH | tvn: Really? Then you probably don't have both of those resolutions. |
| 23:40.06 | tvn | I don't have them setup correctly in the config file you mean ? |
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| 23:40.20 | JordiGH | xorg.conf is more of a wishlist, not what actually will work. :-) |
| 23:40.23 | enouf | !tell tvn about drxx |
| 23:40.25 | Guerin | xorg.conf will ignore resolutions it can't do at the refresh ranges set |
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| 23:40.41 | Guerin | the way to really test which are available is to run xrandr |
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| 23:40.52 | adilson | debian etch with sata 3112.... please, what is the correct parameter for boot prompt? |
| 23:40.56 | Cooner750 | What pacakges do I need to install so that I can share my printer over SMB? |
| 23:41.00 | enouf | tvn: apt-get install hwinfo , then hwinfo --monitor for more info (as root) |
| 23:41.06 | adilson | please help me |
| 23:41.09 | Guerin | if you get less than you think there should be, change the refresh ranges for your display |
| 23:41.14 | cydork | adilson, what is 3112? |
| 23:41.14 | enouf | helps adilson |
| 23:41.32 | cydork | adilson, do you have sata cdrom? |
| 23:41.43 | adilson | sata |
| 23:41.52 | tvn | oh, I see ... the + from the keypad works , |
| 23:41.57 | adilson | hard disk sata |
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| 23:42.18 | adilson | so I need to inform at the boot prompt to instalation going on.... |
| 23:42.27 | yassine | i need to know where i can set the RELAX_CC_CHECK veriable please since i get this error while building asterisk on a debian etch machine : http://rafb.net/paste/results/WnPWpw63.html |
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| 23:42.48 | cydork | yassine, why are you building it? |
| 23:42.50 | JordiGH | !wayc |
| 23:42.51 | dpkg | somebody said wayc was Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
| 23:42.59 | adilson | my cd-rom its ok... |
| 23:43.00 | enouf | adilson: /msg dpkg sata |
| 23:43.20 | niles | im going to get a dial up account for the first time. |
| 23:43.25 | niles | would i look into ppp ? |
| 23:43.28 | niles | deploying pppd ? |
| 23:43.36 | enouf | !gentoosmite yassine |
| 23:43.45 | adilson | but at the instalation boot prompt I need do inform the correct parameter to install debian etch into a sata silicon 312 hard disk........ |
| 23:43.56 | enouf | adilson: /msg dpkg sata |
| 23:44.01 | schippes | anyone knows if there are reported problems with usb2.0 peripherals under debian? now i only can use them if i remove the ehci-hcd module and use full (not high) usb1.1 speed .... |
| 23:44.05 | yassine | :s |
| 23:44.11 | JordiGH | !info asterisk |
| 23:44.13 | dpkg | asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 408 kB |
| 23:44.29 | cydork | bah i should get some sleep. good night all! |
| 23:44.30 | JordiGH | yassine: Something you didn't like about this dfsg version? |
| 23:44.41 | JordiGH | 'Night, cydork. :-) |
| 23:44.47 | enouf | adilson: use the F2-F10/11 keys on the installer at boot time for more info |
| 23:45.27 | cyzie | how do i upgrade from etch to unstable ? |
| 23:45.27 | JordiGH | Btw, what bootloader does the installer use? |
| 23:45.28 | yassine | JordiGH, i confused things im using the debian package but when configuring using : m-a a-i zaptel i get the error message pasted above |
| 23:45.41 | adilson | my kernel is 2.6.17 |
| 23:45.52 | JordiGH | cyzie: Like we said before, if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 23:45.52 | enouf | !tell cyzie about etch->sid |
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| 23:46.34 | mikel28 | could anyone please tell me how i can connect a subnet to my own network? :) |
| 23:46.37 | enouf | hehe ,,... [dpkg] i dunno what is 'etch->sid'. |
| 23:46.54 | enouf | !iyhtays |
| 23:46.54 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:46.57 | cyzie | JordiGH, ?? |
| 23:47.05 | adilson | my hard disk is SiI 3112A |
| 23:47.14 | JordiGH | cyzie: unstable isn't meant for people who don't know what they're doing. Unless you like bugs, don't use unstable. |
| 23:47.25 | adilson | but I cant install debian etch into it |
| 23:47.30 | scip | schippes, might be worth checking 'lspci -v|grep HCI' for EHCI support |
| 23:47.50 | JordiGH | cyzie: More to the point, why do you want unstable? Usually people ask this because they really want just one package in unstable, not the whole #!. |
| 23:47.51 | enouf | adilson: linux-ata.org amongst tothers |
| 23:47.55 | yassine | any suggestions JordiGH ? |
| 23:48.11 | JordiGH | yassine: Not really, sorry. I don't use m-a very often. |
| 23:48.29 | yassine | JordiGH, thanks |
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| 23:49.02 | cyzie | JordiGH, i have been in testing for quite sometime. packages in testing kinda old compare other distro. so would like to try out sid |
| 23:49.50 | Guerin | yassine: um ... just an env variable? |
| 23:49.57 | Guerin | or ? |
| 23:50.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:50.04 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:50.11 | enouf | adilson: are you using a weekly/daily build? or etch beta3? |
| 23:50.15 | yassine | maybe ill try setting it to false ? |
| 23:50.20 | yassine | true |
| 23:50.20 | JordiGH | cyzie: It's probably a bad idea, and don't say we didn't warn you, but go to /etc/apt/sources.list and change where it says "etch" or "testing" to unstable. |
| 23:51.09 | JordiGH | cyzie: Then do aptitude dist-upgrade. You might want to do aptitude instead and mess around with its options (in particular, see if you really want recommends to be treated as dependencies as the default is.) |
| 23:51.42 | cyzie | mmm okay. thanks JordiGH |
| 23:51.48 | JordiGH | cyzie: It's probably going to be rocky. You should spend some time learning how aptitude's conflict resolution system works. |
| 23:51.55 | enouf | whooops .. it seems we're up to RC1 .. \o/ |
| 23:52.50 | enouf | has pronounced adilson as dead .. waiting for specifics |
| 23:53.01 | JordiGH | Anyways, the best parts of unstable usually match testing anyways. I doubt you'll get anything that good by doing this. |
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| 23:53.37 | enouf | goes away to buy another bottle of grain alcohol ... grumbling something aboutn cydork's whimpiness :-P |
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| 23:54.14 | adilson | so I wanna to install debian etch using Silicon Image Serial ATA Sil 3112 Controller |
| 23:55.07 | Guerin | adilson: so try it? |
| 23:55.08 | mango | guerin: My grub worked buitiful....please keep the effort...thanks |
| 23:55.19 | Guerin | mango: winn0r! |
| 23:55.32 | Guerin | see, even a piece of fruit can figure shit out if they only read the documentation |
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| 23:55.39 | adilson | and I need the corret parameters to say to the kernel.... this is my doubth |
| 23:56.06 | Guerin | adilson: the only things I can think of are reading the documentation to the kernel module, searching LKML or google |
| 23:56.25 | adilson | like this -> boot: hardware.module=value |
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| 23:57.19 | Guerin | adilson: hardware.module=3112? |
| 23:58.21 | daqqal | i seem to have a problem |
| 23:58.26 | daqqal | a big one |
| 23:58.35 | CBG | how far is it in? |
| 23:58.49 | daqqal | 2.6.18 |
| 23:59.37 | daqqal | when i scp anything to my machine, it takes away a chunk of memory until it just runs out and then it locks up the machine |
| 23:59.58 | daqqal | someone here told me to compile 2.6.18 with grsecurity patch, i did it and still the same issue |
