| 00:00.17 | daqqal | Linux labauto 2.6.18-grsec #1 Wed Nov 15 14:33:03 CST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:02.33 | muk_mb | hello, how do I tell services like proftpd not to bother with ipv6? |
| 00:02.36 | mikel28 | could somebody please help me with a simple routing issue? |
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| 00:03.31 | pickcoder | !ask |
| 00:03.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:03.31 | Cooner750 | What's up with this "Media change" stuff in apt that's wanting me to insert the disc (that I do not have with me) ? |
| 00:03.48 | Badman | bonne nuit |
| 00:04.07 | Cooner750 | For some reason SSH has just stopped working. ssh localhost says connection refused, and trying from another machine on the network it will also not work. Fix? |
| 00:04.13 | mikel28 | im got a slip ppp0 connection between two machines, on my server i want to route the traffic from the client to the gateway |
| 00:04.17 | mikel28 | so it can use internet |
| 00:04.40 | daqqal | ps -eaf | grep ssh |
| 00:04.51 | mikel28 | how do i staticly route traffice from 192.168.0.20 netmask 255.255.255.255 to > my gateway / 192.168.1.1 (255.255.255.0) |
| 00:04.59 | daqqal | nmap localhost | grep 22 |
| 00:05.10 | mikel28 | ? |
| 00:05.37 | itrebal | are there any kde repositories? |
| 00:05.55 | pickcoder | mikel28: do you have to have a 192.168.0 subnet? It's be much easier to change 0.20 to 1.20. |
| 00:06.10 | daqqal | make a eth0:1 with an ip on the 192.168.1. subnet, |
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| 00:07.37 | mikel28 | so i should put the SLIP/PPP connection on the same subnet as my local network? |
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| 00:08.12 | pickcoder | mikel28: you don't have to, but if you don't you will need to setup an interface for the other subnet as daqqal suggested |
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| 00:09.07 | snwyvern | Does anybody have experience with pcmcia? |
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| 00:09.56 | bariel | hello, i am trying to send mail with postfix, i see in /var/log/mail a row like from=<>, size=... so that my mail is rejected by some host, what is wrong? |
| 00:10.14 | snwyvern | I don't think anybody is home, bariel. |
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| 00:10.57 | pickcoder | bariel: a full error line would be helpful |
| 00:10.59 | mikel28 | pickcoder: i've set the slip client server to use 192.168.1.x |
| 00:11.18 | pickcoder | mikel28: what does route say is your gateway? |
| 00:11.18 | mikel28 | and im using 'ip masquerading', but i still cant ping to my gateway.... |
| 00:11.25 | bariel | i got this error from the other side host |
| 00:11.25 | bariel | Sender address rejected: Domain not |
| 00:11.26 | bariel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.27 | snwyvern | My driver isn't being loaded when I insert my card, any ideas? |
| 00:11.32 | bariel | my mails are all rejected |
| 00:11.36 | mikel28 | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 00:11.43 | mikel28 | 192.168.1.100 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 00:12.02 | mikel28 | the last one, is my slip connection to the client |
| 00:12.05 | bariel | pickcoder, could that line be helpful? |
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| 00:12.37 | pickcoder | bariel: the "from" domain is not a fully qualified domain name |
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| 00:13.31 | bariel | pickcoder, what should i do? |
| 00:13.43 | pickcoder | mikel28: the default gateway goes out eth0, not ppp |
| 00:13.54 | bariel | pickcoder, i see there is a line in log like from=<>, seems because of that, my mails are all rejected |
| 00:13.56 | pickcoder | mikel28: do you have an eth0 nic? |
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| 00:14.02 | mikel28 | my server routes via eth0 to my gateway |
| 00:14.03 | mikel28 | yes |
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| 00:14.25 | mikel28 | (Server = machine, where im behind, the client is connected with a nullmodem cable on serial port :D) |
| 00:14.26 | pickcoder | mikel28: so you are coming in from external to ppp0, through to eth0 |
| 00:14.52 | mikel28 | and the routing stuff i showed you is from this machine/server |
| 00:15.10 | pickcoder | ok.. where exactly is the gateway? |
| 00:15.19 | pickcoder | 192.168.1.1 connected on the LAN for eth0? |
| 00:15.20 | mikel28 | so basicly, my question is - how do i get that traffic from ppp0 into my eth0 network |
| 00:15.25 | stew | mikel28: so right now the problem is that you cannot ping 192.168.1.1? |
| 00:15.25 | mikel28 | yes |
| 00:15.32 | mikel28 | not from the client no |
| 00:15.38 | stew | mikel28: but you can from the server? |
| 00:15.42 | mikel28 | yes |
| 00:16.01 | stew | mikel28: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" say? |
| 00:16.18 | mikel28 | client(slip serial cable) -> mymachineimbehindrightnow(server) -> router/gateway |
| 00:16.32 | stew | mikel28: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" say on the server? |
| 00:16.34 | bariel | pickcoder, are you still helping me? |
| 00:16.34 | mikel28 | between server -> router i got eth0 tcp/ip |
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| 00:16.44 | pickcoder | bariel: you should ask in #postfix |
| 00:16.48 | pickcoder | ah |
| 00:16.50 | pickcoder | you're there |
| 00:16.51 | mikel28 | 1 |
| 00:16.52 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 00:16.59 | bariel | i did, but noone reply me there =( |
| 00:17.02 | mikel28 | stew: it says '1' |
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| 00:17.37 | pickcoder | mikel28: paste your /etc/network/interfaces on a pastebin |
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| 00:17.59 | arex\ | Computer A is on a firewalled network and can only communicate on port X. I want to configure my computer B (which is running Debian) so that computer A can communicate with computer C on port Y via my computer B. In other words, A communicates with C via B. Where should I look, and what should I read to achieve this? |
| 00:18.09 | mikel28 | http://pastebin.ca/249641 |
| 00:18.17 | pickcoder | bariel: what does "postconf myorigin" say |
| 00:18.17 | mikel28 | fast huh :-)) |
| 00:18.32 | stew | mikel28: the client can ping the server? |
| 00:18.39 | pickcoder | mikel28: drop the extra eth0 |
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| 00:18.51 | pickcoder | do you really have 3 nis? |
| 00:18.53 | pickcoder | nics |
| 00:19.18 | mikel28 | the client can ping the server |
| 00:19.22 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 00:19.24 | pickcoder | that's ath0 |
| 00:19.25 | stew | mikel28: what does "iptables -t nat -L -n" say on the server? |
| 00:19.27 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:19.28 | mikel28 | but now it needs to be able to access the gateway |
| 00:20.30 | mikel28 | http://pastebin.ca/249646 |
| 00:20.31 | pickcoder | bariel: what does "postconf myorigin" say |
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| 00:20.38 | bariel | pickcoder, myorigin = /etc/mailname and i see my domain name in mailname |
| 00:20.59 | bariel | my fully domain name |
| 00:21.08 | pickcoder | 192.168.0.0./16? |
| 00:21.20 | bariel | no, in form of abc.domain.com |
| 00:21.34 | pickcoder | mikel28: I think you need to change one of the nat rules |
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| 00:22.03 | pickcoder | I would use 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 00:22.17 | mikel28 | but my router/gateway is using that already |
| 00:22.18 | StarWars | Starting ftp server: proftpd failed! ... Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'thebest.eu' error: Name or service not known |
| 00:22.20 | StarWars | ?? |
| 00:22.28 | stew | mikel28: what is the client's ip? |
| 00:22.37 | stew | mikel28: who wrote all of those rules? you? |
| 00:22.49 | stew | mikel28: what is the client's ip/netmask? |
| 00:22.50 | mikel28 | no, i didnt |
| 00:22.56 | pickcoder | bariel: what does "postconf myhostname" say? |
| 00:22.57 | bariel | pickcoder, something wrong with myorigin? |
| 00:23.04 | bariel | pickcoder, i told you |
| 00:23.07 | bariel | pickcoder, myorigin = /etc/mailname and i see my domain name in mailname |
| 00:23.12 | pickcoder | bariel: what does "postconf myhostname" say? |
| 00:23.19 | bariel | pickcoder, myorigin = /etc/mailname and i see my domain name in mailname |
| 00:23.25 | pickcoder | read the line please |
| 00:23.27 | mikel28 | the client is a 192.168.1.100 subnet 255.255.255.255 |
| 00:23.32 | bariel | ah sorry |
| 00:23.36 | stew | mikel28: huh? |
| 00:23.52 | stew | mikel28: are you sure about that subnet? |
| 00:23.56 | mikel28 | yes |
| 00:24.01 | stew | mikel28: did you add a static route to the server then? |
| 00:24.02 | abrotman | you mean netmask ? |
| 00:24.09 | bariel | pickcoder, myhostname = abc.domain.com |
| 00:24.12 | mikel28 | netmask yes |
| 00:24.19 | pickcoder | bariel: how are you sending the e-mail? |
| 00:24.29 | pickcoder | ie. command line, MUA, etc |
| 00:24.30 | bariel | pickcoder, i tested sending with mail |
| 00:24.33 | bariel | command line |
| 00:24.37 | bariel | i tried also with mutt |
| 00:24.38 | mikel28 | stew shall i start over, it gets too complicated (unnessacary) |
| 00:24.40 | abrotman | mikel28: most people don't use a netmask like that .. at all |
| 00:24.47 | pickcoder | ok.. what does "hostname" tell you |
| 00:24.56 | pickcoder | tho.. it shouldn't matter |
| 00:25.02 | bariel | pickcoder, abc.domain.com |
| 00:25.22 | mikel28 | my computer is connected to my router which is the gateway here as well |
| 00:25.25 | pickcoder | bariel: I'll have to review your config files |
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| 00:25.27 | stew | mikel28: i understand that |
| 00:25.36 | mikel28 | i call my computer 'the server' |
| 00:25.46 | pickcoder | but I have to leave for a bit |
| 00:25.48 | stew | mikel28: how is the client able to talk to the server? you must have added some additional route if its subnet mask is 255.255.255.255 |
| 00:25.54 | pickcoder | hang around #postfix |
| 00:25.58 | mikel28 | i connected a 486dx2 to my server, via a serial cable - using the SLIP protocol |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | mikel28: do you understand the implications of having a 255.255.255.255 netmask ? |
| 00:26.07 | pickcoder | if someone doesn't help you there I'll be back soon |
| 00:26.11 | stew | mikel28: we got all of that, your computer is the server which is the one with the slip connection and is supposed to be masquerading... |
| 00:26.19 | mikel28 | yep |
| 00:26.26 | arex\ | Computer A is on a firewalled network and can only communicate on port X. I want to configure my computer B (which is running Debian) so that computer A can communicate with computer C on port Y via my computer B. In other words, A communicates with C via B. Where should I look, and what should I read to achieve this? |
| 00:26.30 | bariel | pickcoder, http://pastebin.ca/249655 |
| 00:26.32 | pickcoder | bariel: you may have to ask more than once |
| 00:26.42 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 00:27.11 | abrotman | bariel: what's the issue ? |
| 00:27.24 | stew | mikel28: can you show us the output of "route -n" from BOTH the client and server? |
| 00:27.37 | mikel28 | but is it a problem to route traffic from this ppp0 interface (on my server) to the eth0 on my server? |
| 00:27.40 | mikel28 | ok.. |
| 00:28.16 | mikel28 | server> http://pastebin.ca/249657 |
| 00:28.28 | bariel | abrotman, i seems cant send mail to recipients, whose hosts are checking if domain from the sender exist or not |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | bariel: does your hostname exist in DNS ? |
| 00:29.01 | bariel | abrotman, i got 554 5.1.8: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT TO command) |
| 00:29.15 | tvn | what package should I install to configure my soundcard w/ alsa ? |
| 00:29.32 | bariel | abrotman, my domain can be found |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | bariel: and if you look at raw message headers .. any hints ? |
| 00:29.35 | Guerin | tvn: /msg dpkg sound |
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| 00:30.01 | bariel | abrotman, the only thing i can suspect is, if i look at the log, i see empty from, something like from=<> |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | !tell tvn about alsa one-liner |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | bariel: what are you using to send mail ? |
| 00:30.41 | bariel | abrotman, i use mutt |
| 00:31.28 | mikel28 | uhh,, well - its really hard for me to get that on a pastebin.. .as i have no inet on it yet :D |
| 00:31.38 | bariel | abrotman, weird is, if i try to send to gmail or other hosts, the "from" is not empty, it has my full email address like from=<user@abc.domain.com> |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | bariel: if you do a `cat .bash_profile | mail -s blah you@yourdomain.com` .. look okay ? |
| 00:31.56 | mikel28 | 192.168.0.99 * |
| 00:31.57 | stew | mikel28: actually wait, if you are trying to masquerade from ppp0, we should check "iptables -t nat -L -n -v" instead of just "iptables -t nat -L -n" to make sure that you aren't explictly specifying eth0 in your masq rules |
| 00:32.01 | abrotman | bariel: the headers imean |
| 00:32.06 | mikel28 | default 192.168.0.100 |
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| 00:32.22 | stew | mikel28: the default gateway is itself? |
| 00:32.47 | stew | oh, 192.168.0.100 not 192.168.1.100? |
| 00:32.50 | mikel28 | http://pastebin.ca/249659 |
| 00:33.11 | mikel28 | sorry, 1.100 yes -tyoe |
| 00:33.11 | mikel28 | typo |
| 00:33.31 | stew | mikel28: so the default gateway on the client is 192.168.1.100? |
| 00:34.28 | bariel | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/249661 i try send to myself |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | bariel: what is $myorigin ? |
| 00:34.56 | mikel28 | no, i just double checked it |
| 00:35.02 | mikel28 | its 192.168.1.99 |
| 00:35.02 | bariel | abrotman, myorigin = /etc/mailname. in /etc/mailname is my full qualified domain name |
| 00:35.27 | mikel28 | sorry for the confusion stew, the last info is correct |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | bariel: ah .. i missed that in your conf |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | bariel: so you can send to gmail? but not others ? |
| 00:35.47 | bariel | abrotman, that domain name exists, i dont know why they said my domain not found |
| 00:35.52 | bariel | abrotman, exactly |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | bariel: do you have any control at the other domains ? |
| 00:36.16 | bariel | i just cant send to other host in same domain with different subdomain |
| 00:36.19 | bariel | bariel, no |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | oh! |
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| 00:36.27 | stew | mikel28: how did you add a route to 192.168.1.99 on the client? |
| 00:36.39 | mikel28 | route add default gw 192.168.1.99 |
| 00:36.53 | bariel | bariel, like you can see, the domain is tu-berlin.de, my subdomain is phil.gp. I can not send to cs.tu-berlin.de |
| 00:36.54 | mikel28 | thats as far as my routing knowledge goes :X |
| 00:37.19 | stew | mikel28: but what else. you must have added another route first, or you would have gotten a "not reachable" error since 192.168.1.99 isn't on the 192.168.1.100/32 network that your client is on |
| 00:37.21 | abrotman | bariel: CS majors don't read email anyways ... |
| 00:37.23 | bariel | abrotman, they reject my mail, telling me that the domain does not exist |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | bariel: do you know what DNS servers they use ? perhaps they are busted ? |
| 00:37.54 | bariel | abrotman, yes i know, let me check |
| 00:38.36 | bariel | abrotman, shit, they cant find my domain |
| 00:38.41 | stew | mikel28: you must have done something like "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0" or "route add -host 192.168.1.99 dev eth0" or you are lying about your subnet mask |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | bariel: ding ding! |
| 00:39.27 | mikel28 | stew, i did something like that yes (30min ago) when i tried to route it :( |
| 00:39.28 | bariel | abrotman, they cant find anything under gp.tu-berlin.de |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | bariel: lazy bastards! |
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| 00:39.55 | stew | mikel28: can the server ping the client? |
| 00:40.06 | mikel28 | yes |
| 00:40.08 | mikel28 | and visa versa :) |
| 00:40.11 | bariel | abrotman, yesterday i could send mail, but today all of a sudden.... |
| 00:40.28 | abrotman | bariel: did the DNS servers change? |
| 00:40.39 | mikel28 | stew (it took me two days to fabricate a cable.. i tried parallel first.. didnt work out well) |
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| 00:40.52 | mikel28 | then i soldered the wrong type of cable :S |
| 00:41.05 | stew | why do you have so many nat rules? |
| 00:41.05 | mikel28 | (serial, and now i got a good cable - but i cant get the networking done :S) |
| 00:41.10 | bariel | abrotman, how can i find out? |
| 00:41.27 | abrotman | bariel: use dig to find the authority for that domain |
| 00:41.28 | Cooner750 | anyone have any ideas how I can fix my SSH not working? |
| 00:41.30 | mikel28 | i just installed, and used 'guidedog' |
| 00:41.34 | mikel28 | maybe thats why? :S |
| 00:41.48 | mikel28 | i turned ip masquerading on with the guidedog thing |
| 00:41.49 | stew | mikel28: can you show the output of "iptables -L -n -v"? |
| 00:42.16 | mikel28 | stew: that is totally empty.. |
| 00:42.29 | stew | mikel28: what are the default policies on the three chains? |
| 00:42.45 | mikel28 | http://pastebin.ca/249670 |
| 00:42.46 | bariel | abrotman, dig cs.tu-berlin.de ? |
| 00:42.47 | mikel28 | none |
| 00:42.48 | stew | well on the forward chain, we already know that input and output are accept |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | bariel: dig -tANY gp.tu-berlin.de .. shows yours .. or cs.tu-berlin.de shows theirs |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. that was wrong :) |
| 00:43.37 | stew | these iptables rules are silly |
| 00:44.05 | stew | it jumps from prerouting to gforward to ftolocal which doe nothing anyway. what is the point? |
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| 00:44.59 | bariel | abrotman, ok |
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| 00:45.11 | mikel28 | stew i dont really understand those rules, but for what i can see they dont look correct no :( |
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| 00:45.15 | stew | mikel28: can you try just running "iptables -t nat -F ; iptables -t nat -A -s 192.168.1.99/32 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 00:45.37 | mikel28 | Bad argument `192.168.1.99/32' |
| 00:45.47 | stew | mikel28: bah, leave off the /32 |
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| 00:46.01 | mikel28 | Bad argument `192.168.1.99' |
| 00:46.02 | stew | mikel28: or make it 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 00:46.05 | mikel28 | ok |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | dig +trace is so slow |
| 00:46.24 | stew | mikel28: see even iptables thinks your client's netmask is bogus |
| 00:46.24 | mikel28 | Bad argument `192.168.0.0/16' |
| 00:46.25 | bariel | i see |
| 00:46.29 | stew | oh |
| 00:46.48 | stew | mikel28: can you try just running "iptables -t nat -F ; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.99/32 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 00:47.24 | stew | that is assuming that 192.168.1.99 is actually the correct ip address for the client |
| 00:47.32 | mikel28 | that worked fine |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | bariel: you might want to ask #postfix to confirm .. but that does seem to be the issue |
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| 00:48.34 | stew | mikel28: you know. it would probably be wise to put ppp0 on a non-overlapping subnet |
| 00:48.36 | mikel28 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/249672 |
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| 00:48.54 | mikel28 | the ip and ptp are turned arround on the client................ |
| 00:49.00 | mikel28 | (this is a paste from the server) |
| 00:49.02 | afaik | I have an app that bitches I dont have GTK 2.4 ... I did an apt-cache search, but I am unsure of which package to install |
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| 00:49.17 | stew | mikel28: in any case, can the client ping out with the newer masquerade rule? |
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| 00:49.26 | bariel | abrotman, yes, that should be the issue, i tried to send mail to another acc of mine direkt at gp.tu-berlin.de using their smtp, they refuse telling the domain does not exist |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | bariel: you just need to figure out if your dns is broken .. or theirs |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | though .. when i did a dig phil.gp.tu-berlin.de .. i got an IP |
| 00:50.09 | mikel28 | stew: yes it can, but i cant ping the router(192.168.1.1) |
| 00:50.15 | mikel28 | router==gateway |
| 00:50.31 | bariel | abrotman, i dont have dns, i use dns from tu-berlin.de but they, the cs guys, have their own dns |
| 00:50.35 | bariel | cs guys sucks |
| 00:50.44 | stew | mikel28: when you traceroute from the client to 192.168.1.1 do you see the ppp server getting hit? |
| 00:50.49 | mikel28 | http://pastebin.ca/249674 |
| 00:51.03 | mikel28 | lets try.. |
| 00:51.11 | stew | mikel28: why can't you just show us the routing table on the client? |
| 00:51.19 | abrotman | bariel: both mail.cs and ns.cs don't answer .. but the other two they use do |
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| 00:52.27 | mikel28 | traceroute on the client says: unknown host 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:52.29 | bariel | the other two are from tu-berlin.de, which i use |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | right ... |
| 00:52.48 | afaik | I have an app that bitches I dont have GTK 2.4 ... I did an apt-cache search, but I am unsure of which package to install |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | so it appears those two either don't see yours .. or aren't answering at all |
| 00:53.06 | stew | mikel28: show us the output of "route -n" from the client |
| 00:53.07 | mikel28 | stew, i dont have it connected to the 486dx2 yet - but to a amd2400xp machine from which i plugged the tcp cable |
| 00:53.21 | stew | mikel28: the server isn't connected to the internet? |
| 00:53.30 | mikel28 | i can plug it but then im not sure wether the routing goes correct, i need to be able to replicate it on the 486later |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | bariel: well . they both answer .. so for whatever reason .. they can't find your domain |
| 00:53.38 | mikel28 | the server(my pc -im behind right now) |
| 00:53.48 | bariel | abrotman, those two should see my address |
| 00:53.50 | mikel28 | is connected via ethernet to my gateway |
| 00:54.06 | bariel | abrotman, i meant, those two which i use |
| 00:54.14 | afaik | I am in unstable and all that shows up is libgtk2.0 |
| 00:54.20 | afaik | not libgtk-2.4 |
| 00:54.44 | bariel | abrotman, i dont know what is happening, i will try to write the admin a mail, why they cant see me, since yesterday they could |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | bariel: kick him in the head! |
| 00:55.19 | afaik | please help me! :( |
| 00:55.26 | afaik | how can I get it? I am running unstable |
| 00:55.27 | infernix | okay, i have an interesting challenge. |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | afaik: that is 2.4 |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
| 00:56.04 | afaik | okay |
| 00:56.06 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1582 kB, Installed size: 4076 kB |
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| 00:56.09 | bariel | abrotman, i will shoot them, they make me lost some hours searching what happens to my system, i thought it was my fault, those cs guys |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | it's actually 2.8 :) |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | bariel: could still be an issue on your end .. just say you noticed the name servers ns.cs and mail.cs don't see your domain |
| 00:56.59 | mikel28 | stew: any further idea's or am i doomed? :o |
| 00:57.14 | infernix | i've got an XP box hooked up over GBit (marvell based gbit switch) to a debian sarge box. it runs samba on a raid5 sata diskset. FTP from XP to Debian gives me write speeds of 30MB/sec. Samba gives me write speeds of 3MB/sec. I've stopped samba and started NFS; the MS NFS client gives me write speeds of 6MB/s. Read speeds are always fine (40mb/sec), regardless the protocol i'm using. |
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| 00:57.45 | stew | mikel28: not without seeing the routing table on the client |
| 00:57.58 | infernix | why is it that FTP gives high speed writes and NFS or samba wont? I've even tried a few commercial NFS clients on the XP box, they all have the same problem. |
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| 00:58.03 | stew | mikel28: if you cannot traceroute 192.168.1.1 at all then i'd something is wrong with your routing table |
| 00:58.03 | bariel | abrotman, only those two servers dont see my domain, all other dns the world, eg. yours can see my address, so it should not be my issue |
| 00:58.09 | infernix | is there anything else besides NFS and samba that I could try? |
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| 00:58.26 | DerJamster | infernix: from how you just explained things, your XP drives write slowly |
| 00:58.34 | mikel28 | stew, im gonna write it on paper.. the type it over in pastebin :) |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | bariel: but be nice .. :) |
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| 00:58.56 | DerJamster | infernix: how fast is writing stuff -to- the linux box via samba? |
| 00:59.04 | infernix | DerJamster: it's a file copy from XP *to* Debian. it's writing on the server. moreso, over FTP the write speed of the file (same location on the debian box) does 30mb/sec. |
| 00:59.07 | DerJamster | ah |
| 00:59.10 | stew | mikel28: you can't put it into a file and copy it around on your network or use a floppy or a usb key or something? |
| 00:59.25 | DerJamster | hrm. let's check something.. |
| 00:59.47 | infernix | DerJamster: reading anything off the debian box is fine. FTP gives close to 50/60mb read speeds. |
| 00:59.50 | mgoetze | i installed the pdns-backend-ldap package and it installed /etc/ldap/schema/dnsdomain2.schema ... however, i still can't see the dnsdomain2 objectclass browsing the server with gq... what more do i need to do? |
| 01:00.01 | bariel | abrotman, sure, that shooting was only a joke =) |
| 01:00.09 | mikel28 | stew: its not much, i wrote down |
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| 01:00.11 | mikel28 | now pastebin |
| 01:00.18 | DerJamster | infernix: very strange. |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | bariel: even if warranted :) |
| 01:00.23 | infernix | I'm pretty much through with samba; been over all the google posts and did lots of tweaking. I'm really looking to an alternative to NFS and Samba now |
| 01:00.51 | infernix | so, any ideas? |
| 01:01.17 | DerJamster | on my old box with 26mb/sec ide drives i got max write speed over 100mbit lan to my *nix box using samba. |
| 01:01.23 | DerJamster | something's very very weird there. |
| 01:01.39 | DerJamster | (max write speed, as in the full 100mbit) |
| 01:01.45 | DerJamster | hrm |
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| 01:01.51 | mikel28 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/249682 |
| 01:01.56 | infernix | it was fine on 100mbit. it doesnt make sense, i know. i've tried both 1500 and 4500 as MTU, no difference |
| 01:02.10 | DerJamster | ah..it went awkwart since the gbit change? |
| 01:02.13 | infernix | the silly thing is that FTP is blazing fast. |
| 01:03.06 | DerJamster | man, that so makes no sense. hrm. gimme a few. |
| 01:03.06 | afaik | is ftp.debian.org having problems |
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| 01:03.19 | afaik | because I keep getting connection refused or connection timed out |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | possibly .. there are many other mirrors |
| 01:03.27 | afaik | AND IT'S BLOODY AGGRAVATING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:03.43 | stew | afaik: calm down. use a different mirror |
| 01:03.48 | stew | mikel28: are you sure you ran "traceroute 192.168.1.1" ? |
| 01:03.58 | infernix | i've been working on it for a few nights now, and haven't made progress. write speeds suck with all but FTP. I'm considering looking at some form of FTP network share client for winblows |
| 01:04.00 | DerJamster | infernix: do you use smbmount? |
| 01:04.01 | hologram | infernix: ive had the same problems with samba .. ftp is always xferring as it should while samba is 1/5 the speed .. never could figure it out and it has plagued me on multiple systems with varying versions of samba |
| 01:04.02 | afaik | can you give me a reliable mirror? |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | !Mirrors |
| 01:04.08 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 01:04.40 | unfo | afaik: i checked, and I too am having problems reaching it. But, debian is run by volunteers. I use ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 01:04.55 | infernix | hologram: well, thats why i tried NFS. NFS is a nightmare on windows. but somehow its showing similar issues. |
| 01:04.59 | mikel28 | stew: traceroute6 |
| 01:05.02 | stoned | mirror mirror on the wall, isn't abrotman the ugliest of them all? |
| 01:05.09 | DerJamster | infernix: do you use smbmount? |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | jealous |
| 01:05.14 | stew | mikel28: 192.168.1.1 is not a ipv6 address |
| 01:05.16 | stoned | lol |
| 01:05.20 | aarkerio | Hi! how do you call the system sound? I mean this sound out of Xorg when you keep down the backspace key |
| 01:05.20 | infernix | DerJamster: the client is XP. |
| 01:05.22 | afaik | ah, my time is up anyhow it seems... I came to the fscking coffee shop without my charger, and my peice of shit dell laptop battery will only last 45 minutes |
| 01:05.28 | afaik | I am already almost out of power |
| 01:05.30 | unfo | aarkerio: the system bell maybe |
| 01:05.30 | DerJamster | infernix: hrm. try this... |
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| 01:05.38 | DerJamster | infernix: does the client have shares? |
| 01:05.41 | stoned | abrotman, you're right, Dell sucks |
| 01:05.43 | afaik | so much for spending a couple hours hacking away at the coffee shop :( |
| 01:05.44 | evilbulgarian | what are the cpu flags to indicate taht the machine supports 64 bit? "pae, lm"? |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | stoned: duh |
| 01:05.50 | stoned | abrotman, not gonna get into it, but you were right |
| 01:06.01 | DerJamster | infernix: ah, nevermind. nevermind. |
| 01:06.02 | hologram | infernix: for me on the lan ive always used ftp for transferring large amounts of data.. as i said before could never get samba to come close to ftp data xfer speeds .. its a mystery |
| 01:06.05 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: google "cpuinfo flags" |
| 01:06.08 | afaik | stoned, simple... don't buy dell |
| 01:06.15 | stoned | afaik, yeah... |
| 01:06.19 | infernix | DerJamster: i see your point; you want me to copy something off a share on the XP to the debian box. I haven't tried, I admit. I'll look at that |
| 01:06.24 | afaik | I have enough money for a new laptop next month... and I sure as hell am not getting a dell again |
| 01:06.38 | aarkerio | unfo, thanks |
| 01:06.46 | stoned | I find their business practices to be even more unethical than I can take |
| 01:06.51 | afaik | it's claimed the battery lasts 4 hours, but the laptop sucks it dry in 40 minutes or less |
| 01:06.52 | mikel28 | stew: i did 'tracepath 192.168.1.1' now, and it does go over hup 99 my server |
| 01:06.56 | DerJamster | infernix: yeah |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | stoned: coming from you .. that's pretty bad :) |
| 01:07.05 | mikel28 | didnt know traceroute6 is for ipv6 :( |
| 01:07.06 | stoned | :) |
| 01:07.07 | DerJamster | infernix: also look at http://www.mail-archive.com/samba@lists.samba.org/msg79510.html. sounds bad. |
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| 01:07.15 | afaik | I've drained a fully charged battery in 20 minutes while compiling something |
| 01:07.20 | amphi | afaik: perhaps you don't use cpu throttling? |
| 01:07.21 | DerJamster | infernix: got a second *nix box somewhere nearby? |
| 01:07.25 | unfo | I hate how some apps beep at me in text mode. Is there a standard way to disable the console beep for /all/ apps other than using GNU Screen? |
| 01:07.31 | DerJamster | infernix: (or some live cd) |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | !bell |
| 01:07.35 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 01:07.36 | stoned | abrotman, a man has to put his paycheck aside and decide if making money is important, or is doing it the right way important |
| 01:07.37 | infernix | hologram: yeah, hence my quest for some form of FTP network drive mapping on the XP box |
| 01:07.42 | abrotman | stoned: i know |
| 01:07.45 | unfo | abrotman: cool! |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | it is! |
| 01:07.59 | stoned | indeed |
| 01:08.03 | unfo | I wonder why it's not the default. |
| 01:08.11 | stoned | time for a bowl and some package making |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | the bell is informative |
| 01:08.23 | infernix | DerJamster: i read that, and much more. I do have a 64bit linux distro on it as multiboot, but since that's just problem tracing it wont solve much. same as the reversed share copy. but i'll try as well. |
| 01:08.32 | unfo | the visual bell is equally informative, but less annoying. |
| 01:08.40 | afaik | maybe |
| 01:08.46 | stoned | I had like 300+ packages updated last night, a whole month went by and I didn't even login to my sid box |
| 01:09.07 | afaik | unfo, heh... I went to a ruby on rails session at OOPSLA and the presenter had an annoying as fuck audial bell |
| 01:09.11 | unfo | !visual bell |
| 01:09.12 | DerJamster | infernix: yeah. set up a second *nix box, using a live cd if you can. then see how the speed between those two is, with clients from both side |
| 01:09.15 | infernix | DerJamster: the only thing i can think of is the cheap ($20) gbit nic in the debian box. but still - FTP does 30mb/sec write and 50-60mb/sec read, so if it would be a crappy nic or driver, that shouldnt be so fast |
| 01:09.16 | DerJamster | sides |
| 01:09.32 | afaik | whenever he accidentally screwed up logging into his mysql database, it was a high pitched, deafening screech |
| 01:09.33 | tvn | what command to check which package owns the file /path1/path2/filename ? |
| 01:09.35 | afaik | good GOD!! |
| 01:09.50 | stoned | ugh, the G word |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | tvn: dpkg -S |
| 01:09.53 | mikel28 | stew: so the conclusion that can be made is that the server is not routing traffic from ppp0 to my ethernet i guess? |
| 01:09.54 | unfo | tvn: i think it's dpkg -S filename |
| 01:09.57 | DerJamster | tvn: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search /path1/path2/filename |
| 01:10.16 | stoned | don't have to give a path |
| 01:10.18 | unfo | DerJamster: that searches all packages, including the nine thousand you don't have installed. |
| 01:10.27 | DerJamster | unfo: ...so? |
| 01:10.33 | DerJamster | unfo: he didn't say it's an installed package :> |
| 01:10.39 | DerJamster | if it is, then sure, dpkg -S |
| 01:10.48 | unfo | DerJamster: you know what he meant :) |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | no .. he didn't! |
| 01:10.59 | tvn | installed package :] |
| 01:11.07 | DerJamster | okay okay, 'owns the file'. Yeah. Should have read that as 'installed' :> |
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| 01:12.07 | aarkerio | how can I change the volume of system bell sound? |
| 01:12.48 | DerJamster | aarkerio: wanna disable it? |
| 01:12.55 | afaik | argh!! |
| 01:12.59 | afaik | It's a race against time! |
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| 01:13.07 | Bhavesh | afaik: hope you win :) |
| 01:13.22 | DerJamster | aarkerio: 'set bell-style none' in /etc/inputrc if you want to disable it. |
| 01:13.25 | afaik | my battery is going to die in 5 minutes... I must rush home and connect before it goes dead |
| 01:13.28 | afaik | AUDIOS! |
| 01:13.34 | DerJamster | aarkerio: might be that the line already is there and just needs a # removed |
| 01:13.39 | Bhavesh | afaik: suspend it |
| 01:14.09 | unfo | aarkerio: you using X or console? |
| 01:14.22 | unfo | afaik: swsusp :) |
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| 01:15.13 | aarkerio | DerJamster, Works! thx |
| 01:15.18 | DerJamster | aarkerio: no problem :> |
| 01:15.46 | faderhval | hi people! i took the step today and installed debian sarge! but it runs in 800x600 in kde how do i change the res? |
| 01:16.19 | DerJamster | faderhval: install drivers for your gfx card, check the /etc/X11/xfree86.conf |
| 01:16.33 | kintaro0e | hi guys.need advice..i have a domain example.com...which is hosted in dns1.ultradns.com in US...what if i'll make a mail server that will use for it.example.com..shall i add it to my dns1 server the mx records for it.example.com ---> mail.example.com [host the mail server] |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | faderhval: which video card do you have ? |
| 01:16.42 | DerJamster | faderhval: if you're running KDE, you might also want to check the preferences first. it has gfx settings |
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| 01:18.45 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 01:18.54 | Bhavesh | hi |
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| 01:19.45 | faderhval | there are no such file as x86free.conf |
| 01:19.52 | jamescarr_ | fucking hell |
| 01:19.58 | jamescarr_ | lagged like shit at home |
| 01:19.59 | jamescarr_ | oh well |
| 01:20.06 | Bhavesh | jamescarr_: change server? |
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| 01:20.42 | jamescarr_ | Bhavesh, no... my cable internet doesnt come till Monday and I am using the crappy free wifi the entire complex uses |
| 01:20.50 | Bhavesh | ohhhh |
| 01:21.15 | Bhavesh | jamescarr_: that sux.. small pipe lot of users sharing it |
| 01:21.20 | Bhavesh | hack into the hub and give yourself high priority lol |
| 01:21.25 | jamescarr_ | lol |
| 01:21.32 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 01:21.37 | afaik | that's better |
| 01:21.37 | Bhavesh | did u plug in the power? |
| 01:21.55 | afaik | yeah... I had to go home |
| 01:22.14 | mikel28 | stew? |
| 01:22.15 | afaik | kind of sucks... wanted to code in the coffee shop... but ah well. Not much lost |
| 01:22.31 | infernix | does anyone know what AFS would be in the context of SMB/NFS, FTP and SCP? |
| 01:22.56 | abrotman | more like nfs than ftp or scp |
| 01:22.59 | Bhavesh | afaik: you must live pretty close then :) |
| 01:23.04 | shpond | sup |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | !afs |
| 01:23.07 | dpkg | methinks afs is a distributed file system with a common name space. the Andrew filesystem, or <afs> i heard maintaining AFS is a pain in the ass, or http://www.openafs.org/ |
| 01:23.28 | infernix | your factoid knowledge astounds me, abrotman |
| 01:23.29 | afaik | yeah... it's only one block away ;) |
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| 01:23.41 | faderhval | sod it.... the drivers only come in *.run and *.rpm can i use that on debian_ |
| 01:23.44 | afaik | infernix, nah.. he just knows how to use google well |
| 01:23.51 | afaik | abrotman is completely clueless |
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| 01:24.02 | afaik | he once confessed to me he has never ran debian before |
| 01:24.33 | Bhavesh | what does he run then? :) |
| 01:24.35 | shpond | no |
| 01:24.44 | Bhavesh | dpkg: is no fun in msg when you want it to curse :) |
| 01:25.06 | afaik | Bhavesh, I have been told he's a gentoo user |
| 01:25.32 | Bhavesh | hmm is that good or bad that he SEEMS to know answer to so many debian questions? :) |
| 01:25.36 | Bhavesh | or he is making 'em up/ |
| 01:26.13 | afaik | he makes em up... and what he doesn't make up, he just uses google real quick |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | are you done yet? |
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| 01:27.09 | Bhavesh | who? me? i am just listening :) |
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| 01:28.31 | mick_linux | anyone get phpmyadmin to work - the apache.conf in /etc/phpmysqladimn mentions /var/www/phpmyadmin - yet that doesn't exit? (btw: i know of the huge security hole) -- but it isn't on the net ;) -- i'm on etch btw |
| 01:29.19 | DerJamster | mick_linux: what huge security hole? |
| 01:29.22 | afaik | done? |
| 01:29.25 | DerJamster | mick_linux: did you apt-get it? |
| 01:29.30 | mick_linux | yes |
| 01:29.32 | afaik | Why, I am just getting started my dear friend! |
| 01:29.43 | DerJamster | mick_linux: strange. worked fine for me. |
| 01:29.45 | mick_linux | the one that apt-bugs tells me about :-P |
| 01:29.57 | DerJamster | I guess i should update. |
| 01:30.00 | DerJamster | or not ;P |
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| 01:30.05 | mick_linux | it is listed as a critical bug |
| 01:30.10 | DerJamster | hmh. apt-get install --reinstall it |
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| 01:30.46 | arex | Computer A is on a firewalled network and can only communicate on port X. I want to configure my computer B (which is running Debian) so that computer A can communicate with computer C on port Y via my computer B. In other words, A communicates with C via B. Where should I look, and what should I read to achieve this? |
| 01:31.26 | DerJamster | arex\: try iptables |
| 01:31.44 | mick_linux | i hate variables in examples |
| 01:31.46 | afaik | man |
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| 01:31.49 | DerJamster | arex\: forward incomping packets from port X on B to X on C, and accept replies |
| 01:31.54 | afaik | squeak is BIZARRE |
| 01:32.00 | arex\ | DerJamster: Using what? :o |
| 01:32.19 | arex\ | DerJamster: Ah, iptables. Never mind :) |
| 01:32.22 | arex\ | Thanks |
| 01:32.26 | mick_linux | arex\: using the FORWARD chain in iptables |
| 01:33.00 | mick_linux | arex\: look up port forwarding using iptables ;) |
| 01:33.05 | DerJamster | actually also dnat :> I'd say. |
| 01:33.26 | arex\ | http://www.hackorama.com/network/portfwd.shtml <- Good read? |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 01:33.36 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 01:33.42 | DerJamster | google for iptables forwarding tutorial |
| 01:34.11 | arex\ | Thanks a lot :) |
| 01:34.11 | infernix | has anyone by chance tried webdav as a replacement for samba on gbit? |
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| 01:35.34 | eeyore- | afaik: squeak? the smalltalk system? |
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| 01:35.47 | afaik | yeah |
| 01:35.52 | afaik | been playin with it |
| 01:36.07 | eeyore- | afaik: what kind of cpu? |
| 01:36.15 | afaik | x86 |
| 01:36.19 | eeyore- | afaik: (no, the laptop) |
| 01:36.29 | eeyore- | afaik: the one that sucks battery dry in 40 minutes |
| 01:36.40 | afaik | oh... 2.4Ghz Celeron I think |
| 01:36.56 | eeyore- | afaik: that should have power management. did you load the proper module? |
| 01:37.08 | afaik | eeyore-, I dunno... how could I check? |
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| 01:37.38 | eeyore- | afaik: also, some batteries (dell's especially) have nasty power discharge curve. they'd go OK ... ok ... ok ... ok for a while, but then drop off a cliff and you have minutes to save your work |
| 01:38.02 | morydd_lap | how do I specify that I want startx to use wmaker? |
| 01:38.04 | eeyore- | afaik: lsmod | grep acpi, or maybe grep for one of the modules in /lib/modules/*/kernel/arch/i386/cpu/cpufreq |
| 01:38.20 | eldowan | morydd_lap: ~/.initrc |
| 01:38.26 | eeyore- | afaik: basically, with a centrino, you *can* last about 1 to 2 hours on a laptop battery |
| 01:38.37 | eeyore- | afaik: (on a dell), more on others |
| 01:39.12 | afaik | nuthin loaded |
| 01:39.27 | eeyore- | afaik: load it, maybe? "modprobe acpi-cpufreq", dmesg | tail -10 |
| 01:40.10 | eeyore- | afaik: also, "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" |
| 01:40.29 | afaik | Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-586tsc/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 01:40.32 | eeyore- | (or subst 'ondemand' with 'powersave' to force lowest freq/voltage) |
| 01:40.40 | eeyore- | afaik: try some other module |
| 01:40.54 | eeyore- | afaik: like maybe something with 'centrino' in its name |
| 01:41.02 | amphi | afaik: try modprobe speedstep_centrino perhaps |
| 01:41.17 | afaik | acpi-cpufreq.ko |
| 01:41.18 | afaik | ? |
| 01:41.24 | amphi | afaik: and then the modules for the governors |
| 01:41.55 | eeyore- | afaik: no, now try "modprobe speedstep_centrino" |
| 01:41.58 | afaik | ah |
| 01:42.01 | afaik | I see the problem |
| 01:42.03 | afaik | hold on |
| 01:42.04 | eeyore- | what |
| 01:42.14 | afaik | the directory isnt set up right |
| 01:42.17 | afaik | for the modules |
| 01:42.19 | eeyore- | huh? |
| 01:42.20 | afaik | I'll fix it |
| 01:42.23 | eeyore- | eh? |
| 01:42.51 | eeyore- | wait a minute ... 586tsc? |
| 01:43.06 | eeyore- | 586tsc?!?!? that's like ... wrong kernel for a centrino, dude :-) |
| 01:43.24 | eeyore- | wth would you install a pentium kernel for a centrino? |
| 01:43.43 | mick_linux | DerJamster: after reinstalling it now exists (i get forbidden errors) -- but i know it is there now :-P |
| 01:44.07 | eeyore- | !smack afaik |
| 01:44.22 | afaik | centrino doesnt work |
| 01:44.51 | afaik | eeyore-, beats me... I'm just a programmer... I dont know jack about hardware ;) |
| 01:44.53 | eeyore- | afaik: well, if i were you i would upgrade the kernel, enable powersaving/acpi in bios ([x] ACPI-aware OS), and so on |
| 01:45.16 | eeyore- | afaik: not a good excuse :-) i'm a programmer, too |
| 01:45.20 | afaik | another time perhaps... I'm plugged in for now ;) |
| 01:45.28 | eeyore- | afaik: upgrade kernel, load proper module. it *will* work |
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| 01:46.02 | amphi | !doesn't work |
| 01:46.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 01:46.10 | afaik | thanks |
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| 01:48.16 | eeyore- | there are reasons for not buying a dell, but, their stuff usually work. reasons for not buying dells might be: (1) god-awful aesthetics (who the hell designed darth-vaderish computers for dell anyway?!?), (2) some hardware subpar, (3) no AMD support until recently, (4) aggravating tech supports in india, (5) impossible to convince dells to fix their systems on warranty unless you give up your sanity |
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| 01:48.50 | afaik | eeyore-, subpar hardware should be hilighted there |
| 01:48.50 | mgoetze | i have a stock etch installation of openldap, and whenever i run ldapsearch it asks me for a password... how do i make my database accesible? :( |
| 01:48.57 | mick_linux | #2 - *some*? |
| 01:49.00 | afaik | the video chip in this laptop is a joke |
| 01:49.27 | eeyore- | afaik: which is it? intel integrated graphics? |
| 01:49.40 | afaik | yes |
| 01:49.46 | afaik | it's crap |
| 01:49.49 | eeyore- | afaik: well, there are different price poitns :-) |
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| 01:50.05 | eeyore- | afaik: you can buy one with ATI's ... i have one with nvidia quadro4 ... nice |
| 01:50.16 | mick_linux | eeyore-: business support is good though (you pay an arm and a left nut) -- but they can come over same day and have a lacky change out some RAM :) |
| 01:50.31 | zinx | afaik: intel? |
| 01:50.31 | Lonnie | I have a problem with X since my last major upgrade. Running Etch, went for some time without an upgrade. Now, I get an error; Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 01:50.37 | afaik | eeyore-, either way, I'm not buying a dell laptop again |
| 01:50.39 | zinx | afaik: it's not a joke unless it's neomagic |
| 01:50.47 | afaik | nad I cant be convinced otherwise ;) |
| 01:50.48 | zinx | afaik: you *REALLY* don't want a neomagic card. |
| 01:50.54 | Lonnie | It is using xorg 7.1 config. |
| 01:51.00 | eeyore- | mick_linux: mmmm, no. we have business support and believe me they *still* make you go through hoops if you want, e.g., disk drive replaced (have you tried reinstalling the OS? have you run the diagnostics software?) |
| 01:51.20 | afaik | well, I have a small problem apt-get installing GTK 2.4 |
| 01:51.21 | afaik | http://www.pastebin.co.uk/3810 |
| 01:51.29 | afaik | i tried apt-get -f install |
| 01:51.34 | afaik | and it gave me the same errors |
| 01:51.55 | mick_linux | eeyore-: when i called - it was good (it was a while ago -- when people spoke Eenglish on the other line) -- this was '98, '99 or 2000 iirc |
| 01:52.01 | eeyore- | mick_linux: one 1600x1200 panel is broken (bad line drivers in panel, nothing can be fixed) ... tech support (indian) asked, "when you plug the laptop into external monitor, does the problem go away?" ... WHAT MORONIC SCRIPTED QUESTION IS THIS?!?!?! |
| 01:52.27 | mick_linux | i've had worse |
| 01:52.36 | bwlang_ | what is the trick to getting a command like this to work as an application launcher? ssh 192.168.10.16 "osascript -e 'tell application \"VLC\" to play'" |
| 01:53.02 | bwlang_ | works fine from the command line - but does nothing when i put that into the command box of a gnome launcher |
| 01:53.07 | bwlang_ | (custom launcher) |
| 01:53.17 | mick_linux | i've explained things for like 10 minutes in great detail and then they go "umm, ok" - now will you please turn on your computer and boot into Windows |
| 01:53.22 | eeyore- | see ya in the morning :-) |
| 01:53.51 | eeyore- | oh yeah, THAT's a favourite one, "will you boot into windows" ... hell no! it doesn't run windows! "oh well, then we can't help you" |
| 01:53.58 | eeyore- | don't get me started on THAT one :-) |
| 01:54.10 | mick_linux | :) |
| 01:54.16 | mick_linux | home support was horrible |
| 01:54.27 | afaik | any ideas? |
| 01:54.54 | mick_linux | but at work - i was just like "listen man, the RAM is dead. I've done X, Y, Z - and I've replaced the RAM from another box. Please send another." |
| 01:54.55 | Gnurdux | linux voids the warrantee anyways |
| 01:55.16 | afaik | I cant use apt-get anymore :*( |
| 01:55.36 | mick_linux | yuck i hate when that happens |
| 01:55.57 | afaik | I keep trying apt-get -f install |
| 01:56.00 | afaik | it keeps failing |
| 01:56.01 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: you never tell idiots that you can't boot into windows, when you now it's a memory error, you tell them, that windows blue screens as soon as you try to boot |
| 01:56.13 | afaik | and it keeps telling me to try apt-get -f install |
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| 01:56.16 | Bhavesh | afaik: remove the package that may be cuainsg problem |
| 01:56.29 | afaik | how can I tell? |
| 01:56.35 | Bhavesh | afaik: what are you trying to do/ |
| 01:56.37 | Mole | how do i boot an alternate kernel with lilo? i forgot the keyboard-combo to specify kernel :) |
| 01:57.02 | asg | afaik: you might have to hack the /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.{pre,post}{rm,inst} file to get it to remove cleanly. |
| 01:57.04 | afaik | I am trying to install GTK 2.4 so I can compile eiffel studio |
| 01:57.22 | afaik | but it also tried to install xserver-xorg and now it's bitching it can't unpack it |
| 01:57.34 | afaik | apt-get remove wont work anymore either |
| 01:57.34 | Bhavesh | afaik: it's getting worse and worse isn't it? |
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| 01:57.43 | afaik | yes :( |
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| 01:57.57 | Bhavesh | i had that problem don't remember what i did to fix it though.. i kept trying to add/remove packages and it finally worked |
| 01:58.08 | Lonnie | afaik Have you tried dpkg --purge |
| 01:58.09 | unfo | Mole: use grub :) |
| 01:58.16 | eldowan | you could always try to purge apt... |
| 01:58.23 | Mole | unfo : its not for me..a friends box..i always use grub :P |
| 01:58.34 | unfo | Mole: maybe you hold down shift during lilo startup. dont remember. |
| 01:58.49 | afaik | I CANNOT REMOVE IT WITH dpkg --purge |
| 01:58.50 | afaik | :( |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | STOP SCREAMING |
| 01:59.09 | afaik | dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 01:59.10 | afaik | sorry |
| 01:59.13 | afaik | caps lock :/ |
| 01:59.16 | Lonnie | Must be one stubborn package. |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | caps lock my ass |
| 01:59.51 | Bhavesh | abrotman: capslocking your ass is not going to help him you know :) |
| 02:00.08 | Bhavesh | Mole: hold left shift i think at the boot time |
| 02:00.09 | asg | afaik: dpkg --force-help |
| 02:00.21 | asg | afaik: also, what Debian version are you running? |
| 02:00.42 | afaik | sid |
| 02:00.56 | afaik | or whatever unstable is called these days |
| 02:00.56 | mick_linux | you asked for that |
| 02:01.07 | asg | afaik: then dpkg --force-help |
| 02:01.10 | Lonnie | Heh, still SID. |
| 02:01.13 | Bhavesh | sid = forever unstable |
| 02:01.21 | afaik | maybe... last time I used stable, it came with kde 2.0 |
| 02:01.34 | mick_linux | sid = won't evor work :-P |
| 02:01.53 | asg | works just fine *if* you know how to fix the odd issues that crop up. |
| 02:02.14 | Lonnie | Anything with any of you getting Fatal Server error: could not open default font 'fixed' with Etch? |
| 02:02.23 | afaik | mick_linux, sid has worked for me for a long time |
| 02:02.24 | asg | Lonnie: /msg dpkg fixed |
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| 02:02.29 | mick_linux | the sain thing is to use testing, only 10% of the things you want to work don't - w/ sid it is more like 80% |
| 02:02.43 | daeos | quick question, is there a way to send a message to another user on another tty? |
| 02:02.56 | asg | daeos: talk(1), mesg(1) |
| 02:03.00 | afaik | I wonder if it has anything to do with me running X at the moment |
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| 02:03.15 | afaik | but i am afraide if I leave X and come back, I will never get X to work again |
| 02:03.15 | asg | daeos: sorry, write(1) |
| 02:03.29 | afaik | slid right off the end and into the "NO MORE GUI FOR YOU!" hole :( |
| 02:03.41 | daeos | asg: thanks |
| 02:03.56 | Bhavesh | afaik: make sure you irssi client installed so you can at least come on irc and ask questions |
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| 02:05.37 | Bhavesh | sid seems to be working fine with me.. but i am not a very heavy linux user, mozilla/firefox/mplayer/tvtime |
| 02:05.43 | Bhavesh | in KDE |
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| 02:06.23 | mick_linux | in testing, i have issues w/ kde's control panel missing the modules |
| 02:07.10 | mick_linux | i once had upgraded to sid and i lost my bttv driver and all hell broke loose for me :) |
| 02:07.23 | mick_linux | i've stayed w/ testing ever since :) |
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| 02:08.00 | eldowan | mick_linux: I've usually had good luck with testing too. |
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| 02:08.08 | DerJamster | I've run sid for over two years on my desktop now :> and for a while on my server, tho that one's testing now. |
| 02:08.09 | Bhavesh | mick_linux: I KNOW THE FEELING |
| 02:08.14 | Bhavesh | sorry for caps |
| 02:08.30 | Bhavesh | mick_linux: i was trying to build a kernel using kpkg and whole hell broke lose, had to reinstall whole distro |
| 02:08.37 | DerJamster | make that three years. jeez..time flies. |
| 02:08.47 | mick_linux | heh, ya |
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| 02:09.08 | mick_linux | btw - anyone running testing here ? do you see the modules in the Control Panel ? |
| 02:09.09 | DerJamster | only problem I had with sid once was PAM. |
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| 02:09.09 | Supaplex | I backport by hand. I'm a stable nut. I even wait 2-3 weeks after a release cycle goes stable. |
| 02:09.25 | Supaplex | but my desktop's usually testing |
| 02:09.40 | Bhavesh | one of my server is stable. but my ws is normally testing/unstable |
| 02:10.15 | DerJamster | I'll leave my server on etch even after it becomes stable. nice transition from testing->stable |
| 02:10.25 | Bhavesh | DerJamster: good point |
| 02:11.09 | kozy | hey, I need to update the e1000 module to support my nic in linux-image-2.6.16-1-xen-em64t-p4. I do apt-get source but I get the source from 2.6.18. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 02:11.18 | kozy | where is the source? |
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| 02:12.22 | eldowan | mick_linux: Which modules? |
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| 02:12.47 | mick_linux | want a screenshot of what i'm talking about? |
| 02:12.53 | eldowan | OK |
| 02:13.29 | mick_linux | alright let me make one and upload it |
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| 02:14.02 | Supaplex | what command line util can I use to slice/crop wav files? Silence detection would be a plus. |
| 02:15.19 | mick_linux | http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4194/snapshot1mz8.png |
| 02:15.25 | Bhavesh | i think the module he is trying to update is e1000 for intel desktop/server Gigabit NIC |
| 02:15.25 | mick_linux | eldowan: ^^^^ |
| 02:16.29 | Lonnie | Must have the bad remix of a good ep here asg, followed that link, have everything installed, no joy. |
| 02:16.39 | raf256 | I build my kernels by hand and dont need that ones from debian |
| 02:16.48 | raf256 | how to tell dpkg to fuck off from managing my kernel |
| 02:16.58 | mick_linux | eldowan: basically there is nothing on the left |
| 02:17.10 | raf256 | like - I want to uninstall all kernels and I want it to ignore when some packages depends on kernel image |
| 02:17.27 | Dewi | raf256: if you install your own kernel package, I would have thought dpkg would leave it alone from then on |
| 02:17.32 | asg | Lonnie: when was the last time you updated? |
| 02:17.34 | eldowan | mick_linux: I'm running the KDE3.5.5 and having no problems like htat. |
| 02:17.41 | raf256 | Dewi: own kernel, not own kernel package |
| 02:17.46 | Lonnie | Just a few days ago esg |
| 02:17.49 | Dewi | raf256: well, there's your problem |
| 02:17.57 | amphi | raf256: easiest would be to use make-kpkg to create debs of your custom kernels |
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| 02:18.04 | afaik | guys |
| 02:18.09 | takisd | raf256: why don't you create your own kernel package |
| 02:18.18 | afaik | is there some way I can just quickly force the fucking gtk 2.4 package in!? |
| 02:18.21 | raf256 | amphi: I just do make-kpkg instead make install modules_install and that is all? |
| 02:18.22 | takisd | raf256: like amphi just pointed out |
| 02:18.23 | afaik | this is making me cry |
| 02:18.26 | asg | Lonnie: if you haven't updated in the last day or so, what did you change to cause it to stop working? |
| 02:18.31 | Dewi | raf256: what you've done is made dpkg's data invalid - it thinks you have one kernel and really you have another |
| 02:18.40 | mick_linux | eldowan: i'm also on kde 3.5.5 |
| 02:18.43 | afaik | I cannot process or remove xserver-xorg |
| 02:18.45 | Dewi | raf256: you could perhaps try applying a "hold" to the kernel package it THINKS you are using |
| 02:18.54 | Dewi | raf256: that would be the quickest fix |
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| 02:19.06 | amphi | raf256: make-kpkg builds the kernel and modules and sticks 'em in a deb you install with dpkg |
| 02:19.07 | eldowan | mick_linux: have you had any problems with text diappearing? |
| 02:19.10 | takisd | raf256: this is my 'template' command: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version .{date_here} --revision {revision_num} kernel_image |
| 02:19.12 | Dewi | raf256: but next time you make a kernel I recommend installing it with a deb |
| 02:19.17 | mick_linux | eldowan: no |
| 02:19.17 | dhuv | hello all, I am in the process of installing sarge, I just downloaded the netinstall cd this morning |
| 02:19.26 | eldowan | hmm. I've got nothing. |
| 02:19.36 | raf256 | takisd: thanks, and then dpkg -i ? what about pgp key to sign the deb? |
| 02:19.36 | amphi | raf256: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 02:19.54 | takisd | raf256: yep just dpkg -i |
| 02:19.54 | mick_linux | eldowan: and the bug is listed as closed in the bts |
| 02:19.55 | dhuv | The problem is that during the install, wether I use the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel, it always hangs at the "Installing the kernel" part |
| 02:19.58 | takisd | raf256: never signed my kernel debs |
| 02:20.11 | afaik | what is error status 128? |
| 02:20.15 | Dewi | raf256: I don't think all debs need to be signed |
| 02:20.21 | Lonnie | asg That's it, I didn't change anything. That particular install has been around since Dec 02. We have been through hell and gone together, so would hate to loose it. |
| 02:20.22 | asg | afaik: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>* |
| 02:20.24 | dhuv | it is "retrieving and installing kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 02:20.26 | mick_linux | dhuv: try a daily |
| 02:20.31 | takisd | raf256: and as amphi points out again you need kernel-package installed |
| 02:20.34 | mick_linux | dhuv: one sec |
| 02:20.37 | dhuv | mick_linux: huh |
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| 02:20.40 | asg | Lonnie: did it work after you updated a few days ago? |
| 02:20.47 | mick_linux | dhuv: i said - hold on |
| 02:21.09 | dhuv | ok |
| 02:21.15 | abrotman | asg! .. LTNS! |
| 02:21.33 | raf256 | !pin |
| 02:21.33 | dpkg | somebody said pin was a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 02:21.34 | raf256 | !pinning |
| 02:21.34 | dpkg | somebody said apt-pinning was read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 02:21.36 | Lonnie | asg: It quite working immediately after an upgrade about two weeks ago. I basically just use it for FAH anyway, so haven't been to worried about it. |
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| 02:21.58 | Lonnie | I suppose I could totally blow X off the system and re-install. |
| 02:22.15 | asg | Lonnie: then I'd either check the bts for similar issues related to what was updated at that time. |
| 02:22.25 | afaik | there's a lot of packages there dude |
| 02:22.32 | afaik | asg |
| 02:22.36 | asg | Lonnie: or downgrade the packages that were updated (/msg dpkg sdn) |
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| 02:22.59 | asg | afaik: you only need to tweak to one that is giving you problems ... *most likely* |
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| 02:23.25 | asg | abrotman: I've been around all day! |
| 02:23.39 | abrotman | asg: where've you been hiding ? |
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| 02:24.09 | asg | abrotman: work mostly. Been busy. |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | asg: how are the kids? |
| 02:24.55 | Lonnie | Well asg, I'm going to get off here for now, chatting with my brother on another client. I do appreciate the help. I'll win, just a matter of when. ;-) |
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| 02:25.07 | asg | Lonnie: good luck |
| 02:25.10 | afaik | asg, tweak it how? |
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| 02:25.56 | abrotman | asg: how old is howard now? six? seven? |
| 02:26.08 | asg | afaik: 'set -x' after the shebang line. Debug it. |
| 02:26.25 | asg | abrotman: what kind of crack have you smoked tonight? |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | asg: i think it was nvz's shaved ass hair .. not sure |
| 02:27.00 | afaik | + RET='20 Unsupported command "removing" (full line was " Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg ...") received from confmodule.' |
| 02:27.42 | afaik | huh? |
| 02:28.16 | asg | afaik: then file a bug against the package and force it to remove by putting 'exit 0' after the shebang line and running 'apt-get -f install'. Then, manually handle what the script should have done. |
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| 02:28.29 | asg | abrotman: you shaved his ass hair? |
| 02:28.47 | asg | abrotman: that's worse than baseball |
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| 02:29.02 | abrotman | asg: no .. i just smoked it |
| 02:29.19 | asg | trippy |
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| 02:30.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:32.49 | afaik | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libkabc_file.so.1.0.0 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 02:32.56 | afaik | how can I fix this? |
| 02:33.00 | afaik | my system is borked |
| 02:33.32 | asg | afaik: out of curiosity, what does 'file /usr/lib/libkabc_file.so.1.0.0' print? |
| 02:34.01 | afaik | /usr/lib/libkabc_file.so.1.0.0: |
| 02:34.05 | afaik | thats all |
| 02:34.26 | Bhavesh | afaik: no he means type 'file /usr/lib/libkabc_file.so.1.0.0' |
| 02:34.43 | dhuv | mick_linux: I also wanted to know how to see whats going on inside that install screen, how do I see the errors or messages behind that blue screen? |
| 02:34.56 | afaik | root@3[Eiffel57]# file /usr/lib/libkabc_file.so.1.0.0 |
| 02:34.56 | afaik | /usr/lib/libkabc_file.so.1.0.0: |
| 02:35.06 | Bhavesh | oh ! |
| 02:35.09 | mick_linux | dhuv: what? |
| 02:35.15 | mick_linux | dmesg? |
| 02:35.52 | asg | afaik: at a guess, you need to 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' (make sure you have backups first) |
| 02:35.53 | dhuv | mick_linux: no dmesg does not show if there was for instance an error because of a network problem |
| 02:36.13 | mick_linux | the info in /var/log/* |
| 02:36.15 | mick_linux | ? |
| 02:36.33 | dhuv | let me check the var/log to see if there is anything there that I need |
| 02:37.42 | mick_linux | dhuv: you probably want syslog messages |
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| 02:38.51 | dhuv | you will NOT believe this, looking at the /var/log/messages during the installation I see, "You are attempting to install a kernel version that is the same as the version you are currently running.... Please Hit return to continue" |
| 02:38.58 | dhuv | I cannot hit return in the installer |
| 02:38.59 | afaik | how do you check environment variables? wasn't it echo $VAR_NAME |
| 02:39.00 | afaik | ? |
| 02:39.01 | dhuv | LOL |
| 02:39.17 | Bhavesh | afaik: yes |
| 02:39.18 | dhuv | is there anyway to pass a return? |
| 02:39.38 | Bhavesh | afaik: echo $VARIABLENAME |
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| 02:39.52 | linux2 | can someone help me with unlocking my cdrom drive |
| 02:39.57 | afaik | and setting it? |
| 02:39.59 | abrotman | get a paperclip |
| 02:40.00 | zinx | linux2: cdrdao unlock |
| 02:40.01 | linux2 | for whatever reason it won't unlock the drive |
| 02:40.07 | zinx | linux2: or unmount it |
| 02:40.14 | zinx | linux2: very bad to eject a mounted disk |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | linux2: define "unlock" |
| 02:40.24 | mick_linux | afaik: env |
| 02:40.33 | linux2 | zinx: well i didn't. k3b failed and failed to unlock the drive |
| 02:40.40 | linux2 | so it kept thinking the disk was in |
| 02:40.47 | mick_linux | afaik: but yes, echo $VAR works too :) |
| 02:40.55 | afaik | mick_linux, I know that by now |
| 02:41.01 | afaik | I want to set it, but it wont let me |
| 02:41.03 | linux2 | zinx: thanks the cdrdao unlock worked. much appriciated |
| 02:41.14 | mick_linux | export or set, depends on the shell |
| 02:41.18 | Bhavesh | isnt there a command called eject? |
| 02:41.18 | mick_linux | afaik: ^^ |
| 02:41.27 | mick_linux | Bhavesh: yes |
| 02:41.29 | zinx | Bhavesh: that won't unlock it |
| 02:41.36 | Bhavesh | just checking |
| 02:41.58 | afaik | after all that trouble getting gtk installed, it seems that I still have GTK 2.0 |
| 02:42.00 | afaik | and not 2.4 |
| 02:42.21 | mick_linux | Bhavesh: i know there is in busybox - i know the guy who wrote that one :-P |
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| 02:42.41 | Bhavesh | i think so too |
| 02:42.44 | Bhavesh | brb baby is waking up |
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| 02:43.14 | mick_linux | zinx: close/kill whatever is accessing the drive |
| 02:43.21 | mick_linux | then eject |
| 02:43.23 | afaik | can i just install libwxgtk2.4-1 and it will install GTK 2.4 by association!? |
| 02:43.47 | afaik | yeah, I'll just install it |
| 02:43.52 | Bhavesh | nevermind |
| 02:43.58 | Bhavesh | he is snoring |
| 02:44.09 | Bhavesh | afaik: it may |
| 02:44.23 | afaik | I'll install every fucking thing in the apt-cach list for gtk 2.4 |
| 02:44.26 | afaik | UNTIL IT WORKS |
| 02:44.44 | Bhavesh | afaik: then you can install deborphan to find out which packages you can REMOVE :) |
| 02:44.47 | asg | afaik: you are running unstable; parts may not be in unstable yet. |
| 02:44.50 | zinx | mick_linux: uhm, wrong person |
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| 02:45.02 | zinx | mick_linux: and there's a command to make the drive refuse to eject, even if nothing is happening |
| 02:45.14 | zinx | mick_linux: and burning apps use it, and if they crash unexpectedly the drive will be left in that state |
| 02:45.17 | nsx | a sysctl |
| 02:45.21 | afaik | Bhaal, the problem is no longer removing packages... it's getting GTK 2.4 |
| 02:45.30 | afaik | I am running unstable but I seem to have 2.0 |
| 02:45.32 | afaik | not 2.4 |
| 02:45.45 | nsx | dev.cdrom.lock = 1 |
| 02:45.55 | nsx | sysctl -w dev.cdrom.lock=1 is that command, zinx |
| 02:46.22 | nsx | it's not always a good idea though |
| 02:46.28 | zinx | nsx: uhm, i was talking about a MMC command |
| 02:46.47 | nsx | oh right |
| 02:46.54 | Bhavesh | afaik: i would think installing any app that needs gtk2.4 would force the system to install gtk2.4 |
| 02:47.04 | afaik | hold on... it's installing |
| 02:47.11 | afaik | we will see how it goes |
| 02:47.31 | zinx | 0x1E: PREVENT ALLOW MEDIUM REMOVAL |
| 02:47.31 | Bhavesh | good luck |
| 02:47.46 | afaik | Eiffel Studio is installing ;) |
| 02:47.57 | afaik | I'm going to become an expert at a lesser known language ;) |
| 02:47.59 | Bhavesh | is that what you want? or just installing it to force gtk2.4? :) |
| 02:48.47 | asg | afaik: what is the package name of Eiffel Studio? |
| 02:48.50 | raf256 | which emule client is most stable, prefferably consle one |
| 02:49.39 | afaik | oh, it's just a program I downloaded |
| 02:50.05 | afaik | Bhavesh, turns out I had the right version of GTK 2.4 ... the install script was falling through to that error for another reason :/ |
| 02:50.05 | Bhavesh | emule - edonkey network? |
| 02:50.12 | raf256 | Bhavesh: ye |
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| 02:50.15 | afaik | emule is used for warezing |
| 02:50.22 | afaik | there is no other way to justify it |
| 02:50.25 | Bhavesh | afaik: oh that sux :( all that work for nothing? |
| 02:50.29 | raf256 | afaik: oh my god, oh noez! |
| 02:50.40 | asg | afaik: irc has been used for warezing since it was created |
| 02:50.43 | raf256 | afaik: http://content.emule-project.net/view.php?pid=960 OH NO, I AM WAREZING teh knoppix! |
| 02:50.44 | afaik | I mean really... point out one person who uses emule to download MIT lectures and Creative Commons works ;) |
| 02:50.45 | Bhavesh | afaik: well you can use it to download torrents of openoffice and other ISO too |
| 02:51.12 | afaik | raf256, the call has already been placed |
| 02:51.14 | raf256 | afaik: I am poiting at self, what did I wan |
| 02:51.16 | raf256 | *won |
| 02:51.16 | zinx | raf256: omg illegal p2p filesharing! |
| 02:51.28 | Bhavesh | zinx: no you mean LEgAL file sharing :) |
| 02:51.37 | raf256 | zinx: every time you shere knoppix via p2p, communists killl a person |
| 02:51.40 | Bhavesh | i use mldonkey with torrent/edonkey support others disabled |
| 02:51.40 | afaik | Bhavesh, well, the work was worth it... I had a system configuration problem |
| 02:51.46 | zinx | Bhavesh: COMMIE! Our overlords the RIAA say all p2p filesharing is illegal! |
| 02:51.51 | raf256 | Bhavesh: its console? |
| 02:52.09 | Bhavesh | raf256: yes it works as daemon in bg, you can check out www.mldonkey.net |
| 02:52.13 | raf256 | I just want to download knoppix http://content.emule-project.net/view.php?pid=960 |
| 02:52.17 | raf256 | how to do it easly |
| 02:52.20 | Bhavesh | zinx: oh no .. i better hide :) |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | raf256: ask #knoppix |
| 02:52.34 | raf256 | abrotman: Im downloading on debian |
| 02:52.49 | afaik | i used emule to leech K-Fed's latest hawt rap album |
| 02:53.03 | afaik | I liked it so much I bought it |
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| 02:53.14 | Bhavesh | good night everyone.. going to sleep |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | suspected loser .. confirmed ... :) |
| 02:53.19 | asg | night |
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| 02:54.02 | afaik | heh.... that guy;s a joke... I liked the shots of him on CNN when he got the text from britney that she was divorcing him |
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| 02:54.08 | Xenguy | abrotman: I was just thinking about how it was time to lecture my daughter about 'winners' and 'losers' =) |
| 02:54.43 | asg | Xenguy: are you going to text her or do it over irc? |
| 02:55.01 | Xenguy | asg: the traditional method works best :P |
| 02:55.19 | raf256 | I thought talking to own doughter is illegal - they will instantly acuse one of pedophilia and such ;) |
| 02:55.31 | raf256 | * in one coutry |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | Xenguy: if you find a zero-sum game .. let me know :) |
| 02:55.35 | asg | Xenguy: I'll defer to you on that :) |
| 02:55.43 | Xenguy | raf256: well, ahem, fuck the lawyers, thanx ;-) |
| 02:56.02 | Xenguy | asg: good luck when your time comes :-) |
| 02:56.29 | asg | Xenguy: mrs. asg and I bribe the cats; it's under control |
| 02:56.33 | raf256 | I have messed up graphics in console, like ascii art - in example in mc |
| 02:56.35 | raf256 | how to fix |
| 02:56.46 | asg | raf256: reset, CTRL+L |
| 02:57.05 | Xenguy | asg: hrm, bribery... yet another strategy :-) |
| 02:57.09 | raf256 | asg: no, I have the problem all the time |
| 02:57.16 | raf256 | sometihing appears missconfigureds |
| 02:57.22 | asg | Xenguy: it's amazing how far a can of fancy feast will go |
| 02:57.43 | Xenguy | asg: heh, I love cats I confess |
| 02:57.43 | asg | raf256: if you are running a framebuffer console, don't |
| 02:57.50 | raf256 | asg: I dont |
| 02:57.59 | Xenguy | asg: they're brilliant |
| 02:58.07 | raf256 | its like if console would expect UTF-8 data and mc is sending ASCII or viceversa or something |
| 02:58.21 | asg | Xenguy: indeed |
| 02:58.21 | Supaplex | !quelcom |
| 02:58.33 | raf256 | btw, does xterm support utf? coz Im using that mc via screen in ssh in xterm |
| 02:58.36 | Supaplex | yay quelcom :) it slices and dices wav files. |
| 02:59.04 | raf256 | quelcom, what a obvious name for sound editor, so easy to find |
| 02:59.25 | afaik | I am excited |
| 02:59.26 | Supaplex | no kidding :-/ |
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| 02:59.40 | Supaplex | but it's pure cli based and does cuts. |
| 02:59.54 | raf256 | which xterms support utf8 |
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| 03:01.28 | asg | raf256: rxvt-unicode perhaps? |
| 03:01.44 | raf256 | asg: and xterms apparently... but how the heck can I zoom in font in xterm |
| 03:02.13 | Caelum | rxvt-unicode-ml (much nicer than xterm) |
| 03:03.17 | raf256 | apt-cache search rxtv shows 0 |
| 03:03.26 | Caelum | raf256: install that package, then put this into your ~/.Xdefaults http://paste.debian.net/16723 |
| 03:03.28 | raf256 | sorry, typo |
| 03:03.41 | Caelum | raf256: then run xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 03:03.55 | raf256 | Caelum: whats the diff between -unicode and unicode-ml |
| 03:04.26 | raf256 | Caelum: ok thanks |
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| 03:07.26 | Caelum | raf256: -ml has more options :) |
| 03:07.32 | SJr|Work | Does Debian OOBE support IPSec? |
| 03:08.05 | SJr|Work | I guess debians kernel more specifically |
| 03:08.21 | afaik | argh |
| 03:08.30 | afaik | how can I see what version of gtk I have installed |
| 03:08.31 | afaik | ? |
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| 03:11.34 | afaik | hello...? |
| 03:11.35 | raf256 | afaik: dpkg --list gtk* |
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| 03:12.53 | afaik | raf256, doesnt tell me da version |
| 03:13.42 | eldowan | aptitude search gtk | grep ^i and then aptitude show <package>? |
| 03:13.56 | Caelum | dpkg -l 'libgtk*' | grep '^ii' # works too |
| 03:13.56 | dpkg | ii 'libgtk*' | grep '^ii' # works too 1.1-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:14.00 | raf256 | agabus: it tells me |
| 03:14.11 | Caelum | heh |
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| 03:14.20 | raf256 | ii gtklp 1.2.2-1 |
| 03:14.24 | agabus | raf256 - ?? |
| 03:14.25 | raf256 | afaik: dpkg --list gtk* | grep ii better |
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| 03:14.38 | raf256 | this DO tell version (of INSTALLED packages) |
| 03:14.43 | afaik | I have 1.2 and 2.8 |
| 03:14.47 | eldowan | raf256: nice to know dpkg --list. Thanks for the tip |
| 03:14.51 | afaik | raf256, DOES, not DO |
| 03:14.52 | afaik | ;) |
| 03:14.53 | raf256 | no problem |
| 03:15.24 | inkypinky | I m on debian etch and apache2.2 does not exec cgi files can somebody help i am not much of a webserver kinda person |
| 03:16.09 | magyar | errrr |
| 03:16.10 | spry | how do I check free disk space? |
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| 03:16.13 | SeanTater | inkypinky: make sure the cgi is in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and do --> a2enmod cgi <-- in a terminal |
| 03:16.16 | magyar | df -h |
| 03:16.28 | magyar | spry: ^ |
| 03:16.38 | spry | Magilla, thanks! |
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| 03:16.47 | afaik | maybe I need to fix the build script? |
| 03:16.49 | afaik | if pkg-config --atleast-version=2.4 gtk+-2.0 ; then |
| 03:16.56 | afaik | is there something wrong with that? |
| 03:17.06 | afaik | can I test it on the commandline? |
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| 03:17.26 | SeanTater | afaik:not that line along |
| 03:17.33 | SeanTater | afaik: /alone/ |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | maybe oyu need libgtk2.0-0-dev ? |
| 03:17.44 | afaik | maybe |
| 03:17.46 | afaik | I will install |
| 03:17.50 | SeanTater | afaik: It will need the reat of the conditional expression |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | yeah .. you're right .. i don't know anything .. |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | jackass |
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| 03:18.16 | afaik | lol |
| 03:18.29 | afaik | abrotman, you just now how to use google quickly and effeciently |
| 03:18.32 | inkypinky | SeanTater: I dont have /usr/lib/cgi-bin what package provides it I do have cgi module enabled in apache tho |
| 03:18.45 | Ronin | afaik: which is more then most folks seem to be able to do |
| 03:18.58 | magyar | i now too |
| 03:19.07 | abrotman | afaik: fine .. i won't help you anymore .. then you can spend another two hours annoying the channel |
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| 03:19.44 | SeanTater | inkypinky: um -- I have no idea what provides it sorry -- I would assume apache, let me check if that's the right directory |
| 03:19.49 | eldowan | abrotman: won't afaik also be annoying you too? |
| 03:20.02 | abrotman | eldowan: yay /ig :) |
| 03:20.11 | eldowan | !beer abrotman |
| 03:20.48 | SeanTater | inkypinky: does not seem to be-- searching now |
| 03:21.13 | afaik | abrotman, oh, you need adjust your humor valves a bit |
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| 03:22.11 | Phated | He's ignoring you. |
| 03:22.14 | SeanTater | inkypinky: still dont; see it, I really thoguht it was there |
| 03:22.48 | SeanTater | inkypinky: yes, that is it |
| 03:23.04 | SeanTater | inkypinky: it is /usr/lib/cgi-bin, it's just not there |
| 03:23.20 | SeanTater | inkypinky: su -c 'mkdir /usr/lib/cgi-bin' |
| 03:23.38 | SeanTater | inkypinky: running the above should make it appear |
| 03:23.59 | _unnamed_ | sss[5^[6^[5Obfheldmaier@hotmail.comOmesOmes^ |
| 03:24.41 | afaik | Phated, ah well, doesnt matter. He already gave me the help I need |
| 03:24.47 | afaik | so tell him I said thanks |
| 03:24.54 | afaik | my program just finally compiled ;) |
| 03:25.28 | SeanTater | inkypinky: any cgi you put in there will be located in /cgi-bin/ on the server for example: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/foo.cgi == http://www.example.com/cgi-bin/foo.cgi |
| 03:25.41 | inkypinky | ohhh I see |
| 03:26.09 | inkypinky | well I am trying to configure dbmailadminstrator and it has its cgi scripts in the folder itself |
| 03:26.27 | SeanTater | inkypinky: but you will either need to chmod that so you can edit it or you will have to move the cgi's there as root |
| 03:27.04 | SeanTater | inkypinky: is the entire thing cgi scripts, or only part of it? |
| 03:27.17 | inkypinky | its a part of it |
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| 03:27.44 | SeanTater | inkypinky: either way, try just su -c 'cp foo bar' 'ing it to /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 03:28.04 | inkypinky | ok lemme try that |
| 03:28.12 | SeanTater | !confuse inkypinkey |
| 03:28.12 | dpkg | No, where is their pants yesterday, inkypinkey? shirts of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra herring |
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| 03:36.02 | adrenaline | what is the executable for gnome in .xinitrc? |
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| 03:36.26 | abrotman | gnome-session i think |
| 03:37.09 | adrenaline | tried that I think I actually broke gnome on a suggestion here |
| 03:37.35 | adrenaline | I wanted it to start on runlevel 3 and someone suggested to apt-get remove gdm |
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| 03:37.55 | adrenaline | I didn't want to remove gnome I just wanted to boot into cle |
| 03:37.57 | adrenaline | cli |
| 03:38.12 | adrenaline | Now I can't get gnome back and it boots into gui |
| 03:38.19 | gcbirzan | Weird question time. Does anyone remember what bug (number or package :-)) it was that did rm -fr / on uninstalling a package? It was something with linux gazzete or some such, but I can't remember exactly and Google isn't helping... |
| 03:39.02 | ryan` | is there a way to purge a package's files after it's been removed? |
| 03:39.11 | gcbirzan | ryan`: dpkg -P packagename |
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| 03:40.34 | abrotman | gcbirzan: linux-gazette |
| 03:40.39 | abrotman | WHY DO I REMEMBER THAT! |
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| 03:44.03 | abrotman | i'm damn sure that was it |
| 03:44.52 | gcbirzan | Yes, it is. I was searching for linux gazette though, duh... |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | did you find it ? |
| 03:45.12 | gcbirzan | http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 03:45.16 | gcbirzan | I'm writing this in a file. :-) |
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| 03:45.54 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:46.46 | gcbirzan | abrotman: I do have to admit, that guy was pretty calm... |
| 03:47.04 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:47.55 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 03:48.39 | Kkrauss | yuou guys answr hardware questions in here? |
| 03:48.45 | Kkrauss | well give "opinions" |
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| 03:49.23 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 03:49.52 | Kkrauss | is that for tech only? |
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| 03:53.03 | ar3dam | hi there i ve a problem at starting linux .. cannot execute /etc/init.d/rc .. any advice? |
| 03:53.12 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 03:53.20 | ar3dam | yes .. |
| 03:53.25 | abrotman | which version of linux ? |
| 03:53.39 | ar3dam | debian sarge |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | reinstall the sysv-rc package |
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| 03:55.28 | Vannody | hi i have a range ip in my internet eth0, but only 1 ip is give to it |
| 03:55.32 | Vannody | how can i enable more? ;/ |
| 03:55.47 | Vannody | my etc/interfaces |
| 03:55.55 | Vannody | has the ip configured |
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| 03:56.18 | abrotman | use aliases |
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| 03:56.38 | Vannody | it oblyu has 1 ip configured |
| 03:56.54 | odla | how do i retrive a source? |
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| 03:57.05 | Vannody | only |
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| 03:59.05 | unseensoul | http://home.student.uu.se/maol9883/pics/desktops/big1.jpg , does anyone knows which is the window manager in use? |
| 04:00.02 | abrotman | probably metacity or sawfish |
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| 04:00.29 | abrotman | looks like gnome anyways |
| 04:00.53 | abrotman | art.gnome.org |
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| 04:05.01 | unseensoul | abrotman, i would like to have a menu like the one that it appears in that picture. do you know how can i get it? |
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| 04:05.34 | abrotman | no .. maybe ask in ##linux or #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 04:06.10 | unseensoul | abrotman, ok thank you ;) |
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| 04:10.12 | Vannody | how do i reload interface eth1 only? |
| 04:11.26 | Phated | ifup, ifdown? |
| 04:11.43 | Vannody | xD |
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| 04:17.36 | mnguyen | I can get a new Macbook 2.0 ghz dual core for the same price as a Lenovo Thinkpad... which should i get? |
| 04:17.57 | hologram | take the box!! |
| 04:17.58 | hologram | the box!! |
| 04:18.21 | hologram | thanks for playing wheel of fish |
| 04:18.22 | mnguyen | which one is the box? |
| 04:18.26 | mnguyen | hehe |
| 04:18.28 | mnguyen | thanks |
| 04:18.31 | mnguyen | ::sarcasm:: |
| 04:19.39 | mike_ | hello, i am just customising my clean install of debian sid. There is only 1 problem that I cannot understand. I've installed cedega and ran the video tests. It says that I have 3d acceleration enabled but opengl direct rendering is not. Any ideas about enabling direct rendering? Oh. and i don't have glxinfo for some reason. |
| 04:20.07 | zinx | mike_: ask transgaming |
| 04:20.25 | mike_ | it has nothing to do with transgaming |
| 04:21.57 | mike_ | ah, found it. mesa-utils. |
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| 04:22.30 | zinx | uhm, your cedega (a commercial application created by transgaming) problems have everything to do with transgaming (who created a commercial application called cedega) |
| 04:22.34 | derek[] | Hi |
| 04:22.47 | derek[] | if I break the apt-get install process (Ctrl+C) , will it resume from the same point if I restart again? Will it do any damage? |
| 04:23.20 | mike_ | zinx, erh, it has nothing to do with them because they don't give a shit where my glxinfo is. Thats why i asked where it was. |
| 04:23.44 | mike_ | and i must of skimmed past it when looking for the package |
| 04:24.37 | zinx | mike_: how are we supposed to know cedega requires glxinfo? |
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| 04:25.17 | mike_ | zinx, i wasn't asking about cedega. i just gave the whole problem if someone had the same problem. |
| 04:25.48 | zinx | your question was very clearly "Any ideas about enabling direct rendering?" and not "where is glxinfo?" |
| 04:26.11 | mike_ | i don't see anything about cedega in my question |
| 04:26.21 | mike_ | i noted cedega in my problem, however. |
| 04:26.28 | mike_ | don't jump to conclusions. |
| 04:26.41 | zinx | how are you sure direct rendering isn't enabled? |
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| 04:27.14 | mike_ | it wasn't, because that part of the test failed. |
| 04:27.23 | mike_ | now that i have it installed, its working fine :D |
| 04:27.32 | zinx | glxinfo doesn't enable direct rendering. |
| 04:27.50 | mike_ | very true. Thats why I asked about direct rendering |
| 04:27.55 | zinx | it fact, mesa-utils has *absolutely nothing* to do with whether direct rendering works or not |
| 04:28.19 | zinx | mike_: and yet you say direct rendering is enabled now... |
| 04:28.28 | mike_ | mesa-utils has the free-glut library |
| 04:28.38 | mike_ | which means it does have direct rendering |
| 04:28.57 | zinx | the fact that installing mesa-utils made cedega's test fass instead of fail tells me something - cedega requires mesa-utils to determine if direct rendering is enabled or not |
| 04:29.02 | mike_ | eh, sorry, it has a prerequsite for it |
| 04:29.03 | zinx | mike: you don't know how wrong you are |
| 04:29.23 | zinx | mike_: glut has nothing to do with acceleration or direct rendering. |
| 04:29.28 | mike_ | heh. |
| 04:29.37 | zinx | and, wine does not use it. (i assume cedega does not - it would have zero reason to) |
| 04:29.54 | mike_ | please stop arguing with me. i installed it, and its working fine now |
| 04:30.00 | mike_ | so it must have done something |
| 04:30.12 | zinx | yes. it installed the application cedega used to detect if direct rendering was enabled |
| 04:30.15 | zinx | cedega problem. |
| 04:31.10 | mike_ | i don't care, dude. |
| 04:31.14 | mike_ | thank you anyway |
| 04:31.27 | zinx | i care :P |
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| 04:32.10 | Xenguy | zinx: stop, or I'l stab cedega too :-) |
| 04:32.19 | Phated | Stab! |
| 04:32.27 | Xenguy | haha |
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| 04:49.42 | Phated | ... 13 minutes of silence on #d! :O |
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| 04:49.42 | iLLf8d | you had to go and ruin it |
| 04:49.42 | Phated | Then you had to join in. |
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| 04:49.42 | iLLf8d | well it was over already nice job |
| 04:49.42 | iLLf8d | how goes it Phated |
| 04:49.43 | Phated | Pretty good, you? |
| 04:49.43 | iLLf8d | meh average night I guess |
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| 04:49.43 | Phated | Meh. |
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| 04:52.05 | unfo | hi all, can i safely mkswap /mnt/windows/pagefile.sys then swapon it at every boot? |
| 04:52.25 | unfo | also, is this still true even if I use Windows hibernation, which saves its data to /mnt/windows/hiberfil.sys? |
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| 04:58.26 | dhuv | hello all |
| 04:58.38 | dhuv | somebody has got to help me with this stupid problem that I have wasted so much time on today |
| 04:59.03 | d0uglas | I see. |
| 04:59.27 | dhuv | I am trying to install Sarge from the netinstall iso that I downloaded this morning, I need Sarge on this, not Etch, |
| 04:59.58 | dhuv | the problem is that during the installation, when the kernel is being installed, the command that the installer runs is asking it to hit enter |
| 05:00.06 | dhuv | and the installer never does so it just sits there |
| 05:00.22 | dhuv | is there ANY way to get the installer to hit enter? |
| 05:02.36 | unfo | dhuv: why does the problem happen for you but not for others? |
| 05:02.41 | unfo | i.e. what command is it etc. |
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| 05:06.04 | d0uglas | what do i run to config which browser gnome-terminal uses to fire up urls? gnome- something... |
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| 05:11.02 | goodshit | anyone know how to create an ftp user to only upload and not download? how do i do this anyone know?? |
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| 05:14.36 | d0uglas | goodshit: edit your /etc/[ftp] conf file |
| 05:14.46 | goodshit | i see to what? |
| 05:14.48 | goodshit | any example? |
| 05:14.54 | d0uglas | depends on your server, yo |
| 05:15.03 | goodshit | i'm using proftpd |
| 05:15.11 | d0uglas | you can specify what users can do, what anonymous logins can do etc |
| 05:15.18 | goodshit | i seee |
| 05:15.22 | goodshit | in proftpd? |
| 05:15.25 | d0uglas | proftpd? then you should be a pro at this shit dog |
| 05:15.27 | goodshit | can i see an example of file to put in |
| 05:15.40 | d0uglas | sheeit homie google that |
| 05:16.03 | goodshit | can i just chmod 070 the directory |
| 05:16.04 | goodshit | :) |
| 05:16.18 | d0uglas | why you want people only uploading anyway? public folder of a pron site and you have to clean out the kiddie stuff before everyone downloads the stuff? |
| 05:16.36 | goodshit | yes |
| 05:16.37 | goodshit | :) |
| 05:16.39 | goodshit | excatly |
| 05:16.43 | goodshit | well movie shit |
| 05:16.53 | goodshit | not porn |
| 05:16.55 | goodshit | some other shit |
| 05:17.05 | d0uglas | hey maybe the chmodding will do it but just pico the conf file it can't be that hard |
| 05:17.15 | goodshit | what should i look for? |
| 05:17.26 | d0uglas | look for something regarding what users may and may not do |
| 05:17.43 | d0uglas | you'll see a lot of # symbols everywhere, don't get freaked out by them |
| 05:17.45 | goodshit | i see thx |
| 05:17.50 | d0uglas | good luck with that shit yo |
| 05:18.00 | d0uglas | hook me up with the l/p |
| 05:18.05 | goodshit | thx |
| 05:18.11 | goodshit | not my server |
| 05:18.13 | goodshit | its a friend |
| 05:18.19 | goodshit | its not porn man |
| 05:18.19 | goodshit | :) |
| 05:18.21 | d0uglas | aiight i'll catch you on the flipside, G |
| 05:18.27 | goodshit | lateaz G |
| 05:18.30 | d0uglas | BOo yah. |
| 05:18.53 | d0uglas | YOU SEE #debian, that's how we do up in heeah. |
| 05:19.00 | goodshit | hell yeah |
| 05:19.01 | goodshit | booyah!!! |
| 05:19.05 | goodshit | :) |
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| 05:37.59 | buu | Now that's obnoxious. |
| 05:38.46 | buu | And this is fun. I install bitlbee, it installs as inetd and nothing happens when I try to connect to it. Is there some kind of inetd log someplace? |
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| 05:38.59 | buu | It won't even accept connections when I launch it in daemonish mode. |
| 05:39.17 | evil_andy | Has anyone here had success using BIND9 as the DNS backend to a win2k3server active directory? I've found a couple pages on it, but nothing worked. |
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| 05:40.35 | unfo | evil_andy: are you familiar w/ openldap? |
| 05:40.56 | unfo | Growly: why p.o.'ed? |
| 05:41.02 | evil_andy | unfo, I'm using it, but not 100% familiar yet, no |
| 05:41.18 | unfo | evil_andy: i wonder if it's a good AD replacement. |
| 05:42.03 | evil_andy | unfo, Ahh, well I'm not actually havin the linux machines talk to the AD servers, this is more of a... "I wonder if that's possible" type thing... |
| 05:42.37 | unfo | evil_andy: ah. Better go ask in #swhack then. |
| 05:42.53 | evil_andy | cool, thanks |
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| 05:57.18 | daedalus_ | I'd like to cause apt to re-install all packages it knows to be "installed". How would I go about doing that? |
| 05:57.38 | unfo | daedalus_: why would you want that? |
| 05:57.56 | unfo | and do you know about cruft(1) in debian-goodies (sadly unmaintained)? |
| 05:57.57 | d0uglas | whenever i try to do something with apt, i get ... failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `foomatic-db': Input/output error |
| 05:58.06 | d0uglas | i know i have some bad blocks on my hd but is there a way around this |
| 05:58.21 | unfo | d0uglas: get a new hdd from www.freecycle.org :) |
| 05:58.26 | unfo | its free. |
| 05:58.50 | daedalus_ | unfo: mysterious file system error. Dunno what happened, but various files are missing random blocks, so I just want it to go through and replace them all. only /usr/ got borked. |
| 05:59.08 | d0uglas | free huh.. that's a link i will load |
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| 06:00.35 | d0uglas | unfo: okay this looks good -- i'll make it my start page.. but for right now i want to be able to apt my way around and i can't. The sector loss appears to have stablized from the drop.. |
| 06:01.19 | Guerin | no can do |
| 06:01.19 | unfo | daedalus_: d0uglas: dunno what to suggest. |
| 06:01.20 | daedalus_ | unfo: cruft(1) does not appear to be in debain-goodies |
| 06:01.28 | Guerin | i/o errors mean it's fucked and you need a new drive |
| 06:01.40 | unfo | daedalus_: forgot where it is. do a contents search at packages.debian.org |
| 06:01.42 | Guerin | SOME parts of the drive might still work |
| 06:01.51 | Guerin | but it could all turn to custard at any point |
| 06:01.53 | d0uglas | well i'm hanging onto those parts for dear life |
| 06:01.59 | daedalus_ | Mmm... custard |
| 06:01.59 | d0uglas | and i accept that |
| 06:02.14 | daedalus_ | !find cruft |
| 06:02.18 | Guerin | d0uglas: the only thing you can do is avoid accessing files you know to be busted |
| 06:02.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cruft' (4 of 5): (/usr/include/diet/stdarg-cruft.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/share/lintian/checks/{cruft|cruft.desc}) in devel/lintian ;; (/usr/sbin/cruft, /usr/lib/cruft/cruft_find, /usr/lib/cruft/filters/cruft) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/doc/octave2.9/changelog.libcruft.gz, /usr/lib/octave-2.9.9/{libcruft.so|libcruft.so.2.9.9}) in math/octave2.9. |
| 06:02.54 | d0uglas | Guerin: is there some segment of the packagemanagement that i could rm and put in manually |
| 06:03.00 | Guerin | no |
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| 06:04.11 | d0uglas | sigh... just when i get things perfect something like this happens... okay, time for a new hd |
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| 06:06.44 | daedalus_ | Guerin: you wouldn't happen to know how I can essentially cause a apt-get install --reinstall for all packages installed on my system? |
| 06:07.01 | Guerin | daedalus_: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 06:07.20 | unfo | Guerin: see _Classic Shell Scripting_ (O'Reilly, 200?) |
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| 06:07.32 | unfo | oops |
| 06:07.34 | adam_ | anyone have experience with flash drives? |
| 06:07.35 | Guerin | unfo: eh? |
| 06:07.42 | Guerin | !anyone use flash drives? |
| 06:07.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses flash drives, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:08.00 | unfo | daedalus_: see _Classic Shell Scripting_ (O'Reilly, 200?) for info on how to write good shell scripts, such as one to reinstall all. |
| 06:08.33 | Guerin | or just the abs guide on tldp.org |
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| 06:08.44 | unfo | daedalus_: ^^ |
| 06:08.52 | adam_ | ok... let me be more clear.... i am having issues with getting flashdrives to work... anyone have experience, or sites that they could redirect me to? |
| 06:09.05 | unfo | adam_: kde or gnome? |
| 06:09.09 | Guerin | adam_: explain! |
| 06:09.12 | adam_ | kde |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 06:09.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:09.23 | Guerin | desktop enbvironment is irrelevant |
| 06:09.31 | unfo | Guerin: kde has an automounter |
| 06:09.38 | Guerin | just tell us what you're doing, what you expect, and what happens instead |
| 06:09.46 | Guerin | unfo: not on by default, last I checked |
| 06:09.57 | adam_ | i connect my flashdrive, /var/log/messages detects it as a Lexar JD FIREFLY, but gives me no mount point to reference... |
| 06:10.03 | Guerin | unfo: and in any case, it's important to make sure it works manually before fucking with kde moronitude |
| 06:10.14 | Guerin | adam_: what does fdisk -l say? |
| 06:10.14 | Phated | Heh, /me read "envibronment" and giggled for way to long. |
| 06:10.31 | Guerin | Phated: pervibrt |
| 06:10.40 | Phated | Quite :) |
| 06:10.42 | adam_ | just hda*'s |
| 06:10.58 | Guerin | adam_: then it hasn't been properly recognised |
| 06:11.08 | Guerin | adam_: try plugging it out, back in and trying again. |
| 06:11.41 | Guerin | adam_: also try a different port, particularly if you have some usb on the front/back of your box they often perform quite differently |
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| 06:13.39 | adam_ | Guerin: same on all ports.... just different addresses (aka 4,5, and 6) |
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| 06:13.51 | Guerin | yeah, it increments |
| 06:14.02 | Guerin | adam_: is it partitioned? |
| 06:14.08 | Guerin | (not that it should matter) |
| 06:14.08 | jindal | hullo all |
| 06:14.23 | adam_ | no, one giant 1gb partition |
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| 06:14.46 | Guerin | adam_: it's either partitioned or not, I don't care about the size. |
| 06:15.00 | adam_ | it does say in messages "scsi3: SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices" |
| 06:15.06 | unfo | adam_: do other flashdrives work? also, does your flashdrive work on bootable cd distros like ubuntu? |
| 06:15.33 | adam_ | then it follows with vendor, model, rev, type, and ANSI SCSI revision" |
| 06:15.51 | Guerin | adam_: normally it'll be on sda, but it depends on a variety of factors. In any case it should show in /proc/partitions or fdisk -l |
| 06:16.14 | adam_ | unfo: i have not tried others... but i do know it's fat32, and works fine on windows (not that THAT matters...) |
| 06:16.52 | unfo | adam_: it means the drive is not broken. |
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| 06:19.00 | Guerin | yeah, that's important |
| 06:19.12 | Guerin | it means something like the kernel or somesuch is not doing the right thing |
| 06:19.23 | Guerin | output of lsmod |grep usb on a paster |
| 06:19.28 | Guerin | adam_: ↑ |
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| 06:19.56 | adam_ | Guerin: whatever you said didn't appear properly on my screen... |
| 06:20.06 | adam_ | let me quick switch to a different terminal |
| 06:20.09 | Guerin | adam_: it's a cute wee arrow |
| 06:20.41 | Phated | Wee! |
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| 06:22.11 | adam_ | ok |
| 06:22.13 | adam_ | me back |
| 06:23.38 | adam_ | http://pastebin.com/825519 |
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| 06:25.12 | Guerin | adam_: kernel version? |
| 06:25.21 | Guerin | adam_: output of uname -r |
| 06:25.33 | adam_ | Linux Adrial 2.6.18.2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 7 11:39:01 CST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 06:25.44 | Guerin | this is not a debian kernel |
| 06:25.53 | Guerin | come back when you have one |
| 06:26.25 | Guerin | the likely reason your flash drive isn't woprking is because some module isn't built. It might be sd_mod. |
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| 06:40.32 | ar3dam | help how to reinstall sysv-rc .. |
| 06:41.22 | Chihork | i'm currently using etch, and I haven't ran apt-get dist-upgrade for a few months. If I run it now, will it bring me up to speed with the RC? |
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| 06:43.36 | HermanDE_ | Anybody know how to mount a cd created with a MacOS X and a UFS filesystem? |
| 06:43.48 | rigel | i'm pretty noobtastic, so pardon my stupid question. how do i get hfs support into my system? |
| 06:43.57 | rigel | i know i'm supposed to compile it as a module or something |
| 06:44.01 | Guerin | rigel: ask #debian-ppc |
| 06:44.07 | rigel | i'm not on a ppc |
| 06:44.14 | Guerin | rigel: my answer would be 'don't bother' |
| 06:44.17 | rigel | i'm on an x86, trying to recover files from a mac hd |
| 06:44.38 | Guerin | HermanDE_: man mount knows |
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| 06:44.45 | rigel | and i keep getting an unknown filesystem type hfs |
| 06:44.46 | Guerin | HermanDE_: hint: -t ufs |
| 06:44.56 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Are you running linux? |
| 06:44.59 | rigel | yes |
| 06:45.08 | rigel | oh, i should be using -t ufs? |
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| 06:45.20 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Then load the hfs/hfsplus kernel modules.... |
| 06:45.20 | Guerin | Chihork: the rc is just a snapshot. What's live in the repos is probably newer |
| 06:45.24 | rigel | unkown filesystem type "ufs" |
| 06:45.35 | Guerin | rigel: i'm not talking to you. |
| 06:45.37 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Was the mac using HFS or UFS? |
| 06:45.43 | Guerin | that was for HermanDE_ |
| 06:45.58 | rigel | HermanDE_: hfs. hfsutils "hmount" sees it, but thats kinda cumbersome |
| 06:46.00 | HermanDE_ | Guerin: Tried.... I get a blocksize failure... |
| 06:46.03 | rigel | i have no idea how to use those utils |
| 06:46.16 | rigel | and i need to back up the files so i need to mount the hd |
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| 06:46.24 | HermanDE_ | rigel: there is an hfs module... Just mount the partition... |
| 06:46.25 | afaik | hey |
| 06:46.29 | afaik | remember this guy? http://www.levenez.com/wall/Fortune.jpg |
| 06:46.36 | rigel | HermanDE_: hfs module.... |
| 06:46.41 | rigel | elaborate please. |
| 06:46.44 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Yep.... |
| 06:46.53 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Which distribution are you using? |
| 06:46.55 | Guerin | HermanDE_: no clue then. Ask in #debian-ppc |
| 06:47.02 | rigel | i'm using demudi/agnula |
| 06:47.03 | itchi | How can i define the mac address of an network card? |
| 06:47.05 | HermanDE_ | Guerin: Thanks.... |
| 06:47.07 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:47.13 | afaik | remember this guy? http://www.levenez.com/wall/Fortune.jpg |
| 06:47.14 | Guerin | demudi isn't fucking debian |
| 06:47.17 | kottlett | hi! rkhunter --checkall (version 2006111400) gives me 49 incorrect checksums on a current debian/testing - could someone confirm if this is just the current state everywhere? :-/ |
| 06:47.29 | rigel | it's based on debian, and apt-based |
| 06:47.36 | HermanDE_ | rigel: That distro is designed for a specific set of tasks. It may not have all the tools you need. |
| 06:47.37 | rigel | i figured it wouldnt make a difference if i asked here |
| 06:47.39 | Guerin | don't mean a damn thing |
| 06:48.01 | rigel | besides, the demudi and agnula channels are pretty dead most of the time |
| 06:48.03 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Try using modconf.... |
| 06:48.03 | Guerin | kottlett: run debsums |
| 06:48.13 | Guerin | sucks to be using an unsupported distro |
| 06:48.14 | rigel | man modconf |
| 06:48.15 | HermanDE_ | rigel: look for hfs |
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| 06:48.16 | rigel | doh |
| 06:48.27 | Chihork | Guerin: ok, that could very well be the case. Thanks. Something makes me wonder though... apt-cache reports the latest kernel being 2.6.17. I thought Etch would be released with 2.6.18? |
| 06:48.39 | rigel | i dont have modconf? |
| 06:48.43 | Guerin | Chihork: no idea. |
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| 06:48.49 | Guerin | !installit |
| 06:48.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 06:48.53 | rigel | weird |
| 06:48.53 | Chihork | Guerin: ok. Fair enough. |
| 06:49.01 | rigel | i figured id have it by default |
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| 06:49.07 | Guerin | why? |
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| 06:49.14 | Guerin | 99% of people never need to use it |
| 06:49.27 | Guerin | debian doesn't install anything by defaul;t |
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| 06:50.07 | zork_ | Is there anyone here use gobby? |
| 06:50.13 | rigel | i dont see hfs in modconf |
| 06:50.28 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Are you running modconf? |
| 06:50.37 | rigel | yes |
| 06:50.40 | Guerin | !anyone use gobby |
| 06:50.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses gobby, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:50.49 | HermanDE_ | rigel: Then you may have a kerenl that was optimized for music and audio ONLY..... |
| 06:50.52 | Guerin | is this fucking stupid question night? |
| 06:50.52 | zork_ | !anyone like gobby |
| 06:51.36 | HermanDE_ | Guerin: And that's changed from *WHAT* exactly? |
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| 06:51.49 | adam_ | anyone know how to force the removal of an old kernel that i had made from source? dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.18.1 reports an error exit status 128... and google isn't being friendly |
| 06:51.52 | kottlett | Guerin: thx... checking :) |
| 06:52.02 | HermanDE_ | Idiots build the internet... Ask Al "I did it" Gore.... |
| 06:52.06 | Guerin | HermanDE_: just the concentration seems a little unusual |
| 06:52.09 | grendal_prime | i want to set up a vpn from the inside of the firewall at work.. |
| 06:52.18 | grendal_prime | that make sence? |
| 06:52.45 | Guerin | adam_: any other output? |
| 06:52.50 | grendal_prime | out to the network at home, but i want to use the connection to get back into work... |
| 06:52.54 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Do you have seance session going on? |
| 06:53.11 | Guerin | grendal_prime: does it need to be vpn, or will ssh do? |
| 06:53.29 | grendal_prime | the vpn will be established fromt work to home, but i want to access the network at work from home |
| 06:53.44 | Guerin | grendal_prime: talk to your sysadmin |
| 06:53.46 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: ssh with reversed ports...... Ensure your admin is asleep... |
| 06:53.52 | adam_ | Guerin: yeah... http://pastebin.com/825522 |
| 06:54.29 | grendal_prime | they actually said that its not a problem, they just dont know how to do it. |
| 06:54.37 | Guerin | adam_: delete the postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 06:54.40 | itchi | Whoa, so easy, is that also so easy on Windows?? |
| 06:54.43 | ar3dam | helpme pls ... i cant start my linux box .. this is the error cannot execute /etc/init.d/rc .. |
| 06:54.46 | Guerin | grendal_prime: sure they did. |
| 06:55.17 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Admin's don't know how to VPN... Hmmm.. What is the IP address? |
| 06:55.24 | Guerin | grendal_prime: a ssh tunnel is pretty easy to set up from inside a firewall or nat. If you can run a vpn client through that... |
| 06:55.27 | grendal_prime | they know nothing about linux...im not kidding, they have this l2tp server that i cant seem to connect to.. |
| 06:56.05 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Sounds like a pointy thing shop.. |
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| 06:56.41 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: There are a few client apps that may allow l2tp connection from linux. |
| 06:56.53 | grendal_prime | its like a windows only l2tp...it sucks but its whats in place |
| 06:57.02 | grendal_prime | HermanDE_, ive tried everthing i can find |
| 06:57.32 | grendal_prime | this one is the shitty one that there is only one client for and even that client says..."this is flaky at best" |
| 06:57.51 | grendal_prime | in the install files |
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| 06:58.14 | eeyore- | 12tp? |
| 06:58.23 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 06:58.31 | eeyore- | oh l2tp |
| 06:58.39 | grendal_prime | l2tp |
| 06:58.49 | eeyore- | :-) hard to tell the 1 and l with this font |
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| 06:59.42 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: check out openvpn... |
| 06:59.55 | grendal_prime | open vpn doesnt do it |
| 07:00.07 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: It is a system you can install at home.... |
| 07:00.15 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Log in from work... |
| 07:00.25 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Your work computer will be on your home network... |
| 07:00.30 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Just that simple... |
| 07:00.33 | grendal_prime | i would love to use open vpn, thats the one i used to tie things together at my last job. |
| 07:00.46 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Well... What's stopping you? |
| 07:01.02 | grendal_prime | i used it the other way around. |
| 07:01.03 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: The windows client is very good... |
| 07:01.11 | grendal_prime | i dont have a windows machine |
| 07:01.13 | grendal_prime | thats the problem |
| 07:01.18 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: At home or work? |
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| 07:01.22 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: why wouldn't openvpn work? |
| 07:01.24 | grendal_prime | at home |
| 07:01.29 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: It also works well on a Mac and BSD.... |
| 07:01.38 | grendal_prime | work is all windows shit...cpet for the servers ive built there. |
| 07:01.54 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Listen to my FRENCH body language.... |
| 07:02.04 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Run the openvpn server at your home..... |
| 07:02.13 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Run the client at work... |
| 07:02.19 | grendal_prime | HermanDE_, thats the main thing i was wondering about |
| 07:02.23 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: While at work... Log into your home.... |
| 07:02.28 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Leave work.... |
| 07:02.33 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: yeah, ought to work. i mean, once the endpoints are established, who cares which direction the data goes |
| 07:02.38 | grendal_prime | using openvpn from the inside to establish the connection.. |
| 07:02.43 | HermanDE_ | Log into the local system (work computer) at home... |
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| 07:03.05 | grendal_prime | well i had problems with openvpn shutting down where there was no data comming through. |
| 07:03.17 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: tell it not to, then |
| 07:03.24 | adam_ | this may sound like an odd question... but could someone tell me how many items they have in their "not Installed Packages:base:main" 'folder' in aptitude? |
| 07:03.29 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: That may be the firewall timing the connections..... |
| 07:03.41 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Set the client to reconnect.. |
| 07:03.47 | grendal_prime | ya. |
| 07:03.48 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: or, gee, 'while [ 1 ]; do ping -c 1 ...; sleep 60; done'? |
| 07:04.10 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Some firewalls kill threads after a period..... |
| 07:04.19 | grendal_prime | sounds like a lot of wasted bandwidth there eeyore- |
| 07:04.23 | grendal_prime | herhe |
| 07:04.35 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: one ping every minute? :-) |
| 07:04.41 | grendal_prime | the other thing i was thinking about was stunnel |
| 07:04.50 | grendal_prime | eeyore-, i was joking |
| 07:05.05 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: stunnel is not as stable as openvpn... |
| 07:05.10 | eeyore- | well, maybe you had two cans and a string ... |
| 07:05.24 | grendal_prime | bidirectional stunnel. they want me to become master of stunnel, |
| 07:05.35 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: I've seen stunnel and tinc fail where openvpn just works.... |
| 07:05.44 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i thought about stunnel as well but thats what they use for one of the products. |
| 07:05.48 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: but man, this would make anyone uncomfortable. are you sure "they" are ok with this? |
| 07:05.58 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 07:05.59 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:06.25 | Guerin | if they are, it's because a. you already own the matrix or b. they have no idea what allowing vpn in means |
| 07:06.25 | grendal_prime | i know it sounds fisshy, but its not |
| 07:06.41 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: Gawd... Just run VNC... Ask them to pop open a port.. Be done with it... |
| 07:06.56 | Guerin | i got away with leaving a ssh tunnel open at work in Korea due to b. ;) |
| 07:06.59 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: If they don't care... Who needs admins? |
| 07:06.59 | grendal_prime | you forgot c, they are leary of what ms does not tell them is OK. |
| 07:07.00 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:07.15 | Guerin | grendal_prime: but trust everything else |
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| 07:07.41 | Guerin | yeah, sure, MS doesn't say that'd bad ... must be fine! and we can probably sue them if it causes any harm... |
| 07:07.53 | grendal_prime | we sort of are the admins, its a long story but basically this sort of thing is allowed for our dept, they just do not like messing with the firewall. |
| 07:07.59 | sandman | Why is tremulous-data marked as non-free? |
| 07:08.04 | eeyore- | Guerin: you can sue microsoft. it's the *collecting* that's hard. |
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| 07:08.15 | sandman | I know what non-free means, although afaik tremulous was all covered by the GPL. |
| 07:08.28 | afaik | huh |
| 07:08.41 | afaik | my last name is not tremulous |
| 07:08.50 | sandman | Nevermind, I got it. |
| 07:08.57 | HermanDE_ | grendal_prime: I guess the firewall is a mystical fire that blocks something... |
| 07:09.05 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: why not buy a vpn concentrator :-) |
| 07:09.09 | Guerin | eeyore-: true enough. |
| 07:09.11 | eeyore- | budget? |
| 07:09.28 | sandman | I guess creative-commons license is non-free |
| 07:09.28 | Guerin | sandman: read debain-legal or the documentation |
| 07:09.33 | Guerin | some are |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | some aren't |
| 07:09.41 | Guerin | that's the problem with CC |
| 07:09.56 | Guerin | nice idea, poor implementation |
| 07:10.06 | Guerin | trying to keep too many people happy |
| 07:11.01 | eeyore- | Guerin: i got a question about those music / video released under CC license ... a lot of them are released as 'mixed' work, so it's really hard to modify them. kind of like releasing GPL'd binaries ... what's the point? |
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| 07:12.19 | Guerin | eeyore-: yes. |
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| 07:16.04 | adam_ | does anyone know of a way to search for packages that are removed, and only have config files left? |
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| 07:16.50 | Guerin | adam_: dpkg -l |grep ^rc |
| 07:17.16 | afaik | sheesh |
| 07:17.18 | afaik | I cannot sleep |
| 07:17.40 | afaik | I guess I'll just have to get a quad espresso shot coffee before work |
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| 07:19.47 | afaik | furniture shopping on ebay |
| 07:19.49 | afaik | what fun |
| 07:20.12 | Guerin | caring .... that's what we're doing |
| 07:21.19 | eeyore- | hmm. homeless hired to stand in line to buy PS3. |
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| 07:21.38 | Guerin | minimum wage? |
| 07:21.50 | Guerin | dept of labour should be down on that like a ton of bricks |
| 07:21.53 | eeyore- | check out this story, http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/20061115p2g00m0dm040000c.html/ |
| 07:21.56 | SpeedyG | 1 bottle of vodka? :p |
| 07:22.20 | Guerin | SpeedyG: but you want them to STAY in line |
| 07:22.25 | Guerin | imagine that |
| 07:22.42 | phpnuborn | i have 1 hard drive and using all of it for debian. i am going to install Grub anyway. the OS label is only used to selection at boot? in the day to day use of debian, will i be typing in this label? if so i'll keep it short.. |
| 07:22.47 | Guerin | geek sues bum for passing out in the line, causing him the emotional distress of missing out on the ps3 |
| 07:23.15 | eeyore- | is that the japanese version of "the onion"? |
| 07:23.15 | Guerin | phpnuborn: leave it blank |
| 07:23.20 | SpeedyG | Guerin: promise him a bottle of vodka after he reached the counter |
| 07:23.23 | eeyore- | cuz the writing is pretty lively |
| 07:23.26 | Guerin | eeyore-: onironu! |
| 07:23.29 | phpnuborn | i can install grub with a blank OS label? |
| 07:23.49 | Guerin | phpnuborn: well |
| 07:23.53 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 07:23.53 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
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| 07:24.37 | Guerin | eeyore-: sounds like a puff-piece to drum up sales of asian brides |
| 07:24.42 | SpeedyG | btw, when I reinstall windows |
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| 07:24.48 | SpeedyG | would it be enough just to install grub |
| 07:24.54 | SpeedyG | and be able to boot linux as well again? |
| 07:25.11 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:25.16 | SpeedyG | k great :) |
| 07:25.17 | Guerin | best to install windows first |
| 07:25.20 | SpeedyG | yeah I know |
| 07:25.35 | SpeedyG | but we've got a triple boot laptop at work (winXP, winVista, ubuntu) |
| 07:25.51 | SpeedyG | and one of my co-workers asked if he could reinstall vista |
| 07:25.59 | d0uglas | Triple boot?!! Lousy American |
| 07:26.12 | SpeedyG | d0uglas: dutch this time :p |
| 07:26.46 | SpeedyG | and if it came to me, it'd be only running linx |
| 07:26.48 | SpeedyG | *linux |
| 07:27.14 | SpeedyG | but my co-worker wants XP |
| 07:27.24 | Guerin | tell him to get his own computer |
| 07:27.28 | cydork | SpeedyG, shoot him :) |
| 07:27.29 | SpeedyG | and we've installed vista to start getting used to that piece of crap |
| 07:27.32 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 07:27.36 | Guerin | suppose he wants to share your girlfriend too |
| 07:27.40 | eeyore- | give the one who wants vista an abacus |
| 07:27.48 | SpeedyG | Guerin: he has my ex allready, he should be sattisfied :p |
| 07:27.53 | Guerin | :( |
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| 07:28.02 | Guerin | why does he still draw breath? |
| 07:28.04 | afaik | I feel lame... it's like I just discovered ebay |
| 07:28.20 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 07:28.27 | cydork | !lol |
| 07:28.27 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:28.39 | SpeedyG | Guerin: my ex and I broke up as friends, and she was looking for a place to live.. he had a room left so they started as house-mates |
| 07:28.51 | SpeedyG | I cant care less about the fact that they're in a relation now |
| 07:28.55 | iLLf8d | afaik, then if you feel lame like that make sure you're lameass signs up for some kinda bidsnipper kinda service |
| 07:29.04 | hcy | hello, after apt-get upgrade, my usb printer isn't recognized anymore. when i run foomatic-gui or use the browser localhost:631, I don't see any USB to choose from, only a bunch of parallel ports and serial ports in the list. how do I fix this? |
| 07:29.16 | afaik | iLLf8d, lol |
| 07:29.24 | iLLf8d | or you'll all be look I'm winning, look this other guy beat me by 5$ in the last 1 second |
| 07:30.10 | iLLf8d | my wife always tries to do it by hand and the snipping progies always win |
| 07:30.27 | iLLf8d | I don't have her sign up for a service tho I don't like half the shit she bids on |
| 07:30.28 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 07:30.49 | SpeedyG | lol iLLf8d |
| 07:31.15 | hcy | also, probably related - when I do ls /dev/usb/ , lp0 isn't in the list there. it should be. |
| 07:31.20 | nonix4 | Hmm, anyone else noticed sshd not closing forwarded connections properly? I has couple thousand CLOSE_WAIT connections after a while... |
| 07:31.21 | iLLf8d | afaik, also you can have ebay generate an rss feed for you of items you're interested in |
| 07:31.26 | hcy | do i need to modprobe something? |
| 07:31.31 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 07:31.37 | iLLf8d | hcy, too open a question |
| 07:32.16 | hcy | iLLf8d: i have a printer attached to my only usb port. it used to work fine. after apt-get upgrade, it's no longer recognized. /dev/usb/lp0 doesn't exist anymore. |
| 07:32.22 | iLLf8d | hcy, dunno if it'd list as taht |
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| 07:32.40 | iLLf8d | most of my usb devs go into media (tho I dunno if an lp entry would be considered media) |
| 07:32.41 | hcy | iLLf8d: i think iirc that's what it used to be |
| 07:33.02 | hcy | iLLf8d: what do i need to do to get my printer working? |
| 07:33.05 | iLLf8d | hcy, its hard to tell what governs that if you add in gnome and kde they have their network management backends |
| 07:33.14 | iLLf8d | not sure for usb |
| 07:33.28 | iLLf8d | I've got all network printers or parallel port versions |
| 07:33.53 | iLLf8d | the little soho lan attached devices are like $25 on sale or less |
| 07:34.11 | hcy | that doesn't help me |
| 07:34.33 | iLLf8d | yeah I dunno I'd say tail your syslog and messages and see what its doing to the device when its sensed |
| 07:34.49 | eeyore- | hcy: modprobe usb-printer ? |
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| 07:35.24 | hcy | eeyore-: Module usb_printer not found. |
| 07:35.29 | multi_io | did anyone notice that su is broken in Debian? |
| 07:35.33 | multi_io | just look: |
| 07:35.38 | multi_io | [root@tick ~]# su olaf ls |
| 07:35.38 | multi_io | /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file |
| 07:35.49 | multi_io | wtf?? |
| 07:35.59 | Xteven | strace will help you |
| 07:36.16 | multi_io | Xteven: I did strace. It runs the shell without -s |
| 07:36.29 | eeyore- | usblp |
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| 07:36.41 | eeyore- | hcy: "modprobe usblp" |
| 07:36.49 | hcy | eeyore-: ok, trying that... |
| 07:36.51 | multi_io | i.e. it runs /bin/bash ls |
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| 07:36.57 | cydork | multi_io, su olaf -c ls |
| 07:37.00 | Guerin | that's not broken |
| 07:37.05 | Guerin | use -c |
| 07:37.11 | cydork | !lose Guerin |
| 07:37.12 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 07:37.13 | mick_linux | multi_io: su olaf -c "ls" ? |
| 07:37.16 | multi_io | cydork: the point is that it should work without the -s |
| 07:37.21 | multi_io | eerm -c |
| 07:37.26 | Guerin | multi_io: file a bug |
| 07:37.30 | Guerin | see who cares. |
| 07:37.42 | Guerin | is that how upstream works? |
| 07:37.45 | cydork | multi_io, why? |
| 07:37.53 | mick_linux | multi_io: also make sure your box is not compromised |
| 07:38.46 | hcy | eeyore-: did that, but still there's no usb connection listed under "choose printer connection" |
| 07:39.01 | mick_linux | if you feel that a binaty isn't behaving as it should |
| 07:39.11 | Guerin | mick_linux: uh? |
| 07:39.17 | cydork | mick_linux, there is nothing wrong with it. |
| 07:39.19 | Guerin | mick_linux: that's how it works on all three of my debian boxen |
| 07:39.22 | mick_linux | k |
| 07:39.30 | mick_linux | i didn't read the whole thread |
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| 07:39.32 | eeyore- | hcy: dmesg | tail -10, read what happens when the module was inserted (assuming it wasn't inserted earlier) |
| 07:39.34 | cydork | Guerin, that's how it's should work :P |
| 07:39.40 | hcy | nothing shows up in my syslog when i modprobe it |
| 07:39.47 | multi_io | cydork: because it works on older versions of su, and the su manpage says that su supplies the -c |
| 07:39.51 | mick_linux | just read "bug in su" |
| 07:39.56 | Guerin | cydork: i think so too, but I must say I've never used upstream. |
| 07:40.08 | mick_linux | which 99% of the time is not the case |
| 07:40.13 | Guerin | mick_linux: file a bug with priority 'low' |
| 07:40.15 | multi_io | hmmm.... |
| 07:40.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:40.18 | Guerin | multi_io: |
| 07:40.24 | hcy | eeyore-: it's not in the last 10 lines of dmesg, probably was already inserted on startup |
| 07:40.31 | cydork | multi_io, check the changelogs then.. |
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| 07:40.51 | multi_io | alright, a newer version of the manpage says you have to supply teh -c yourself..?? |
| 07:41.10 | eeyore- | hcy: the location of files in /dev might have changed ... |
| 07:41.15 | multi_io | so they did an incompatible change... |
| 07:41.20 | Guerin | multi_io: they did. |
| 07:41.24 | hcy | eeyore-: to where? |
| 07:41.29 | eeyore- | hcy: and the names probably did, too. try usblp0 or something |
| 07:41.41 | eeyore- | hcy: the name you used earlier sounds like devfs |
| 07:41.56 | Guerin | man |
| 07:41.56 | eeyore- | hcy: you're probably on udev now |
| 07:42.18 | Guerin | you know a tex document class is complicated when its DOCUMENTATION is ~200 pages |
| 07:42.20 | hcy | where would udev be, and how would i use it? |
| 07:42.36 | Guerin | yipes ... 275 pages |
| 07:43.02 | eeyore- | Guerin: the lion book? :-) |
| 07:43.12 | Guerin | eeyore-: memoir |
| 07:43.27 | Guerin | not the doc for tex |
| 07:43.34 | Guerin | just for this one document class |
| 07:43.46 | hcy | eeyore-: dmesg has: "drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04E8 pid 0x3265" |
| 07:43.52 | multi_io | Guerin: that's just great :-D :-\ |
| 07:44.19 | eeyore- | hcy: find /dev -name "*usb*" |
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| 07:45.05 | hcy | eeyore-: doesn't have a usblp in there |
| 07:45.20 | hcy | eeyore-: it finds /dev/usb, /dev/usb/usblcd, |
| 07:45.31 | hcy | some /dev/ttyusb's, |
| 07:45.34 | eeyore- | hcy: no further clues, sorry :-) |
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| 07:46.11 | hcy | eeyore-: also, i found this: /dev/.udevdb/class@printer@lp0 |
| 07:46.35 | hcy | eeyore-: does that mean anything? |
| 07:46.36 | eeyore- | hcy: is your "udevd" daemon running? |
| 07:47.03 | hcy | eeyore-: ps aux | grep udev returns nothing |
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| 07:47.12 | eeyore- | hcy: run it? :-) |
| 07:47.41 | eeyore- | hcy: you probably have to install the debian udev package first |
| 07:48.17 | hcy | ok, installing it |
| 07:48.26 | Lakez | Does anyone know a good backup method? I've got 3 servers I backup to 1 large system. I rsync from each server but, lets say one of the servers is corrupt.. the rsync will send the corrupted files to the backup ... is there anyway to have a point-in-time recovery setup? Or how do you guys do backups when you're dealing with 400-800GB of data.. you can't just keep copying a fresh one each week |
| 07:48.42 | HermanDE_ | Lakez: BackupPC |
| 07:48.52 | Hoxzer | :D I was a bit confused when I came to go just in time and nobody was in th ehall way -> checked clock -> I was hour late |
| 07:49.01 | eeyore- | Lakez: amanda, veritas, take your pick |
| 07:49.09 | HermanDE_ | Lakez: It can use rsync, smb, ftp....etc.. |
| 07:49.14 | hcy | eeyore-: i had hotplug before |
| 07:49.26 | eeyore- | hcy: different things |
| 07:49.38 | hcy | eeyore-: oh, well installing udev is removing hotplug |
| 07:50.37 | Lakez | thank you guys, i'm going to check all 3 |
| 07:51.06 | HermanDE_ | Lakez: Boogie... Boogie... |
| 07:51.35 | hcy | eeyore-: oh, udev complained my kernel's too old |
| 07:52.18 | hcy | eeyore-: is there anything i can do for that, other than compiling a whole new kernel, which i don't have time to do now? |
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| 07:52.39 | eeyore- | hcy: i wouldn't know. i try to run the latest kernel ... |
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| 07:53.58 | Lakez | damn i dunno which to choose ;) |
| 07:54.08 | Lakez | i'll try backupPC, looks free :) |
| 07:54.30 | eeyore- | amanda is free, too |
| 07:55.02 | HermanDE_ | Lakez: amanda is a very good system. And entirely too complex for what it does.... |
| 07:55.08 | eeyore- | build yourself a large disk array for use as backup ... |
| 07:55.20 | HermanDE_ | Lakez: BackupPC... Pops out of the box ready to work.... |
| 07:55.35 | eeyore- | tell amanda to use that, then you have differential/full/whatever policy you want to run |
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| 07:57.41 | SperMite | can someone PLEASE help me with this, http://pastebin.com/825536 |
| 07:58.52 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Is it already running? |
| 07:58.53 | dev-dot-zer0 | SperMite: apt-get -f install |
| 07:59.36 | SperMite | dev-dot-zer0 tried that caught the same error. |
| 07:59.47 | SperMite | HermanDE_ not anymore |
| 07:59.58 | dev-dot-zer0 | Are you trying an ubuntu package on a sarge or etch box? |
| 08:00.19 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: I'll guess that it *WAS*.... |
| 08:00.32 | Xteven | does anyone have a working apt-setup with Acquire::Retries ? |
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| 08:00.46 | SperMite | ubuntu. actually running kubuntu but not getting much help in their channel |
| 08:01.58 | SperMite | HermanDE_ yeah it was until i accidentilly rm -rf the /etc/samba folder =( |
| 08:02.19 | dev-dot-zer0 | lol |
| 08:02.24 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Is the samba processes still running? |
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| 08:02.57 | HermanDE_ | It usually works better when you do that to the root..... rm -rf / |
| 08:03.38 | SperMite | no its not running |
| 08:03.45 | SperMite | lol |
| 08:03.48 | adam_ | HermanDE_: have you tried removing the /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba* files? |
| 08:03.55 | adam_ | then trying to install it again? |
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| 08:04.18 | adam_ | HermanDE_: don't know if that will work... but it isn't working right now anyways... so what could go wrong? it stops working :P |
| 08:04.33 | Xteven | maybe Acquire::Retries doesn't work with apt-get update ? |
| 08:04.55 | dev-dot-zer0 | or try a forced installation, over your earlier one (ymmv, really) |
| 08:05.12 | HermanDE_ | adam_: What are you asking about? |
| 08:05.18 | dev-dot-zer0 | or a dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 08:05.52 | SperMite | so is my samba pretty much screwed for ever or what? |
| 08:05.55 | adam_ | HermanDE_: i had issues before with purging a old kernel (gave some error exit 128 or something...) |
| 08:06.03 | eeyore- | SperMite: ps axfuw | grep mbd, kill all nmbd/smbd processes |
| 08:06.16 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Everything is backed up.... RIght? |
| 08:06.21 | adam_ | HermanDE_: it helped to remove the /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image stuff... so maybe the samba stuff would help |
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| 08:06.28 | dev-dot-zer0 | lol |
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| 08:06.54 | HermanDE_ | adam_: Check out the paste-bin above... It installs and configs..... |
| 08:07.00 | HermanDE_ | adam_: Just doesn't start.... |
| 08:07.40 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Create the /etc/samba directory..... |
| 08:07.43 | eeyore- | SperMite: sometimes samba leaves smbd lying around, depending on who is connected to it. kill all nmbd/smbd processes, or run "smbstatus" to find out who's connected |
| 08:08.06 | eeyore- | yawn |
| 08:08.20 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Ensure choclate is available to your users..... |
| 08:08.33 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Or Beer..... |
| 08:08.43 | adam_ | HermanDE_: actually... it attempts to install and config, but fails (obviously)... i was getting the exact same error message, although mine was error exit status 128 |
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| 08:09.08 | adam_ | if you make the system think that you don't have samba installed... it will be able to try to reinstall it... |
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| 08:09.34 | SperMite | eeyore- http://pastebin.com/825556 |
| 08:10.00 | HermanDE_ | adam_: An application just needs to config and run.... A kernel needs to do quite a bit more... |
| 08:10.34 | adam_ | HermanDE_: yes... but the kernel was installed from a .deb... hence... it essencially was just a package |
| 08:10.37 | eeyore- | uh ... |
| 08:10.39 | eeyore- | ah ... |
| 08:10.53 | eeyore- | you actually typed "kill all nmbd/smbd processes" in the shell?!? |
| 08:11.05 | adam_ | the issue was because it was still trying to run scripts for purging the config... (aka /lib/modules/...) |
| 08:11.13 | adam_ | i had added custom modues... |
| 08:11.35 | HermanDE_ | adam_: Ok. Remember debhelper? Take a look at the deb policy and see how many actions are available in packages.... |
| 08:12.00 | HermanDE_ | adam_: Then take a look at the policy for kernel debs and compare to a normal application deb. |
| 08:12.13 | dev-dot-zer0 | eeyore: I feel your pain :)) |
| 08:12.24 | deadcat | what this mean? PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0. php from unstable |
| 08:12.56 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: That didn't just happen.... Did it? |
| 08:13.39 | SperMite | =/ |
| 08:14.02 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: uh.... Did you kill all? |
| 08:14.14 | SperMite | i dunno |
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| 08:14.23 | SperMite | was that bad? |
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| 08:15.19 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: well you are still alive.... |
| 08:15.35 | SperMite | false alarm maybe =/ |
| 08:15.55 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Are you working on a production server with users attached? |
| 08:16.02 | dev-dot-zer0 | And your samba ain't dead yet... =) |
| 08:16.20 | eeyore- | somehow i think the answer is "no" |
| 08:16.26 | eeyore- | call me clairevoyant |
| 08:16.38 | SperMite | eeyore would be correct |
| 08:16.59 | HermanDE_ | Okey Smokey.... |
| 08:17.28 | SperMite | Im working on a "share my videos" to my windows box project =P |
| 08:17.28 | eeyore- | i think i finally found one of those elusive prism2.5 chips |
| 08:17.43 | eeyore- | it happens to be on an ibm x22 laptop that nobody wants :-) score! |
| 08:18.36 | Xteven | acquire::retries anyone ? |
| 08:18.38 | HermanDE_ | I have successfully remotely shutdown servers thinking I was at my own terminal... Beer and choclate can go a long way with users.... |
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| 08:21.04 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: well ... i have successfully wiped out a few months of file uploads by reversing the order of rsync command :-) |
| 08:21.26 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: instead of "rsync -avz --delete source dest" i put "rsync -avz --delete dest source", whoops! |
| 08:21.30 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: Ouch... No backup of the pron? |
| 08:22.08 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: you know, THAT would have been nice if the backup had worked!!!!! you see, i was also reorganizing the backup directories earlier and forgot to edit the cron backup script |
| 08:22.13 | eeyore- | murphy. i hate him. |
| 08:22.39 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: How about opening some space on a server... Deleting a "COPY" of the production website.. Then remembering the alias.... |
| 08:23.00 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: Yep... Down for 3 hours...... |
| 08:23.12 | RvGaTe | good morning everybody o/ |
| 08:23.18 | eeyore- | man, the things one could do with "rm" ... |
| 08:23.19 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: But the contents removed amazingly fast..... |
| 08:23.36 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: yeah, and, this was on ext3 partition, so no way to undelete |
| 08:24.20 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: It was Reiserfs.... The alias was remembered after the first phone call "What happened to the website?" |
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| 08:24.53 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: "oh shit! a hacker got in!" (would that have been better or worse?) |
| 08:25.06 | eeyore- | worse, i suspect |
| 08:25.17 | dev-dot-zer0 | eeyore: you could undelete stuff on ext3 (ext2!) |
| 08:25.31 | eeyore- | dev-dot-zer0: ext2 you can, not ext3 |
| 08:25.34 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: Or how about having a server hard drive die while recovering a clients IMAP folder... |
| 08:26.37 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: "You should see the folder show up..."..... "Now everything is gone, and I can't connect to the server"....."Close Outlook and restart Windows"....RING..."Where did all of the email go"..... |
| 08:26.55 | eeyore- | tell me about exchange ... i hate frigging exchange. removed an account from domain, ex-worker called up wanting the .pst file. no can do, man. was told i had to get it because of legal reasons ... ok, had to find way to crack the (admittedly weak) ms 'encryption' |
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| 08:28.04 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: I ensure my clients get a bill for every second I'm on the phone with Microsoft. |
| 08:28.06 | moshii | eeyore-: where was the pst stored? his profile? |
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| 08:28.48 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: I find that Exchange is designed for clicky/pointy clients who want to pay lots of money... |
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| 08:29.36 | moshii | HermanDE_: and pay even more when it explodes |
| 08:29.44 | dev-dot-zer0 | Can't an ext3 be used as an ext2? Corrections welcome :) |
| 08:29.45 | HermanDE_ | moshii: In order to recover a PST, you have to log into exchange.... |
| 08:30.15 | HermanDE_ | moshii: If the clients are set to remove the profile once logged out, that's the end of it until the next login.... |
| 08:30.24 | eeyore- | moshii: it may have been the OST. it's whichever one it was that had the user's SSID encoded in it |
| 08:30.30 | eeyore- | probably PST, yeah |
| 08:31.08 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: yeah in this case the SSID is gone for good because the account was deleted, so no way to convince windows it's the same owner |
| 08:31.26 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: i tried hacking the registry to recreate the account locally and stuff, no go :-7 |
| 08:31.48 | moshii | dev-dot-zer0: you can mount ext3 as ext2, ext3 is ext2 with a journal |
| 08:31.50 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: with the same account SID and everything, must be something i was missing. |
| 08:32.03 | eeyore- | (pardon muscle memory regarding SSID above) |
| 08:32.11 | HermanDE_ | eeyore-: That's where a second by second billing to Microsoft might be in order.... |
| 08:33.05 | eeyore- | HermanDE_: i found a program that would do the job ... convert pst to ost ... there are apparently services for this kind of thing. good money too, i bet. |
| 08:33.14 | HermanDE_ | My response to ex employees is that the data belongs to the company. And it is my duty to protect the data.... |
| 08:33.37 | eeyore- | this whole microsoft thing is a scam to prop up services around it ... more complexity and buggy code = cottage support industry |
| 08:34.06 | dev-dot-zer0 | hmm, so I guess undeletes would work on an ext3 too.. |
| 08:34.23 | eeyore- | dev-dot-zer0: no, undelete does *not* work on ext3 :-) |
| 08:34.54 | eeyore- | dev-dot-zer0: go ahead, google for it |
| 08:34.58 | dev-dot-zer0 | aww. |
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| 08:35.27 | eeyore- | http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
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| 08:36.31 | eeyore- | dev-dot-zer0: the way ext3 delete works is the pointers to the blocks containing data is zeroed out. |
| 08:36.36 | tx | hi all |
| 08:36.39 | djmorpheus | hi all |
| 08:36.47 | tx | anyone experienced with majordomo ? |
| 08:37.04 | djmorpheus | is this possible to unlock all ports in iptables? |
| 08:37.06 | eeyore- | dev-dot-zer0: so, like the FAQ said, your only hope is to scan the entire block device (good luck!) looking for the beginning of data, and *hope* you can piece the blocks together (this might be impossible) |
| 08:37.56 | dev-dot-zer0 | my bad. |
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| 08:38.11 | djmorpheus | it means that i have program that uses many ports and i need to unlock ports 1-65k |
| 08:38.20 | SperMite | Bah, Still no luck |
| 08:38.22 | tx | please, help with majordomo .. |
| 08:38.36 | eeyore- | djmorpheus: no, it means you should not even bother running iptables |
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| 08:39.28 | eeyore- | djmorpheus: 'unlock ports 1 - 65535'? how many port does it leave blocked? none. that's what. zero. nada. |
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| 08:42.42 | eeyore- | night |
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| 08:43.26 | ufk | debian auto upgraded my php from 5.1.6 to 5.2, i must stay with php 5.1.6, how do i downgrade ? |
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| 08:43.56 | streuner | ufk: try dpkg -i <package> |
| 08:43.58 | djmorpheus | eeyore: u do not understand me - i need forward - this machine runs in local and i need to forward external connection to machine in local |
| 08:44.11 | george | ufk: if you don't want debian controlling versions of stuff, you might consider building it yourself |
| 08:44.28 | ufk | k thanks |
| 08:44.54 | djmorpheus | i would like to connect via internet to this comp |
| 08:45.15 | djmorpheus | and i need access on all ports |
| 08:48.26 | george | access is a ms database? |
| 08:49.05 | HermanDE_ | I finally did it.... |
| 08:49.10 | george | djmorpheus: or network access to the machine |
| 08:49.31 | HermanDE_ | I can actually mount ufs formatted Mac OS X cds..... |
| 08:49.38 | HermanDE_ | I really need new users.... |
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| 08:49.58 | george | why? the old ones expired early? |
| 08:50.27 | george | djmorpheus: then you don't need a router |
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| 08:50.46 | george | and you don't need an internal net |
| 08:50.49 | HermanDE_ | Something about making backups of a Mac OS X with UFS formatted dvd's and cd's.... |
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| 08:50.59 | HermanDE_ | What ever happened to ISO 9660? |
| 08:51.13 | HermanDE_ | You know.... the standard... |
| 08:52.04 | george | maybe iso9660 didn't have things needed to properly represent files |
| 08:52.26 | HermanDE_ | george: Or the user just didn't know the difference.... |
| 08:52.36 | george | who knows what their reason was |
| 08:52.48 | HermanDE_ | george: And the user didn't think the data will need to be recovered from a different machine... |
| 08:53.07 | george | you mean like a linux box? :) |
| 08:53.24 | george | and did you use some proprietary backup system to create the backups? |
| 08:53.47 | HermanDE_ | george: Have you tried to read UFS (Mac OS X) from windows? |
| 08:53.49 | george | but I digress since I have my own problems |
| 08:53.52 | SperMite | HermanDE I fixed my samba |
| 08:53.56 | HermanDE_ | What's your prob? |
| 08:54.05 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: What was it? |
| 08:54.17 | george | I had a debian on an external usb drive... |
| 08:54.21 | george | and now it's gone |
| 08:54.40 | SperMite | not really sure. uninstalled it with doing dpkg -- purge then installed it with synaptic and it worked again |
| 08:54.42 | george | win2k is on the internal drive (laptop) |
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| 08:54.58 | HermanDE_ | george: Were you running it from the USB device? |
| 08:55.00 | george | is this enough info to make some guesses as to what happened? |
| 08:55.23 | HermanDE_ | SperMite: Yep, that's fixed many of my problems... |
| 08:55.33 | george | I was running linux from the external and win2k from the internal |
| 08:55.38 | SperMite | =)) |
| 08:55.56 | HermanDE_ | george: Is there anything on the USB device? |
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| 08:56.56 | george | yeah, a coupla win32 partitions and a partition it says is fat but when mounted says it's an ext2, which is empty |
| 08:57.38 | HermanDE_ | george: How long have you owned the usb device? |
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| 08:57.51 | george | since the dawn of time! |
| 08:57.52 | HermanDE_ | george: Is it solid state or does it have a hard drive? |
| 08:57.54 | george | no, kidding |
| 08:58.01 | george | has a hd |
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| 08:58.17 | george | I built it from an internal 250g hd and an enclosure |
| 08:58.42 | HermanDE_ | Hmm... Have you booted a live linux and checked out the contents? |
| 08:59.14 | george | well I booted a debian custom sarge netinst with 2.6.15 |
| 08:59.26 | george | and did fdisk -l |
| 08:59.52 | george | found the partitions, not enough of them... missing is a extended |
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| 09:00.36 | HermanDE_ | Sounds like the partition table got screwed... |
| 09:00.41 | george | yeah |
| 09:00.48 | george | that's what I'm thinking too |
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| 09:00.56 | HermanDE_ | How important is the partition? |
| 09:01.21 | george | well I could always redo the debian... but this has happened a few times |
| 09:01.38 | george | there's nothing on it that can't be redone |
| 09:02.02 | george | the win32 partitions tho, they're moreorless important |
| 09:02.13 | HermanDE_ | Could have a problem in that area of the hard drive.... |
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| 09:02.28 | HermanDE_ | Kind of hard to move the initial partition table.... |
| 09:02.30 | george | you mean the mbr area? |
| 09:02.48 | HermanDE_ | george: Nope.... The Partition table.... |
| 09:03.00 | george | where is that if not on the mbr? |
| 09:03.11 | HermanDE_ | george: Gawd... It's late..... |
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| 09:03.18 | HermanDE_ | george: Yep.... |
| 09:03.21 | george | yeah 1 am |
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| 09:04.08 | george | I do music stuff |
| 09:04.46 | george | and I have this firewire device with a pair of inputs that have mic preamps |
| 09:04.55 | HermanDE_ | MBR == Partition Table.... |
| 09:05.10 | george | and phantom power which my mics need |
| 09:05.34 | george | and also the boot code |
| 09:05.52 | george | hmm, two different contexts going here |
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| 09:09.47 | Firefishe | What is an RFC? |
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| 09:10.15 | tolecnal | Firefishe: RFC = Request For Comments |
| 09:10.31 | george | if I create an extended partition to cover all of the free space (approx located middle of drive) -- guessing that that's where the old one was -- will the old partitions suddenly show up? |
| 09:10.44 | Firefishe | tolecnal: Thanks :) |
| 09:11.26 | george | RFCs are documents that describe standards followed on the internet... usually related to networking and network services |
| 09:11.31 | tolecnal | Firefishe: www.rfc-editor.org for more information |
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| 09:12.01 | Firefishe | george: thanks. |
| 09:12.06 | SperMite | HermanDE i have a weird problem with samba now. when i try to connect to samba from a windows box it gos into my windows C:/ drive? |
| 09:12.09 | Firefishe | thanks again, tolecnal |
| 09:12.59 | tolecnal | Firefishe: you're more than welcome :) glad that I can be of some help, while I swear and curse of 'vim' |
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| 09:13.43 | george | example, ftp, ntp, and also IP and TCP and friends each have an RFC to describe them... also ntp, nntp, transfer of email, others |
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| 09:20.20 | possie | i guess there is no way of killing/removing process on a system which are in a 'D' (Uninterruptible sleep) state right? |
| 09:20.56 | SlayerXP | possie: well done, you have correctly interpreted the meaning of "uniterruptable" :) |
| 09:21.28 | possie | SlayerXP, okay okay :-) |
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| 09:21.38 | SperMite | Can someone tell me whats up with my samba.? When i try to connect to my hdd from a windows box it goes straight into my windows c:/drive???? |
| 09:22.25 | possie | SlayerXP, well then there is nothing left for me besides a reboot |
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| 09:22.52 | SlayerXP | possie: I'd be quite surprised if that was really the case. |
| 09:23.42 | possie | SlayerXP, me too, thats why i asked for the 'D' state |
| 09:24.01 | Admiral_Chicago | SperMite: what do you mean connect you hdd to a windows box? |
| 09:24.09 | possie | SlayerXP, strange thing is, if i do an 'ls -la' in a certain directory in my /var partition, process hangs |
| 09:24.25 | possie | SlayerXP, so i guess that perhaps the filesystem is corrupted, |
| 09:24.40 | SlayerXP | possie: is that directory a network mount? or lvm perhaps? |
| 09:24.45 | possie | SlayerXP, so i would like to unmounted the /var and do a filesystem check |
| 09:24.56 | possie | SlayerXP, no, it's a local directry, and not in a lvm |
| 09:25.09 | SlayerXP | well, you can force an unmount |
| 09:25.25 | SlayerXP | not recommended usually, though |
| 09:26.27 | possie | SlayerXP, i've tried umount -f /var which gets me a device busy answer |
| 09:26.49 | possie | SlayerXP, which are probably these process in the 'D' state |
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| 09:27.19 | n000b | re |
| 09:27.28 | SperMite | Admiral_Chicago , When i get on my win box and go to network places and then to Workgroup. I see a " DeviN server (samba, ubuntu) which isn't correct at all. but anyways I go in it and its takes me straight to \\Devin which is my winbox |
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| 09:27.51 | n000b | is there any repository for mentors.debian.net? i mean, can i install a package from there? |
| 09:28.00 | n000b | i would like to install kiba-dock |
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| 09:28.23 | n000b | i can see it's in mentors.debian.net |
| 09:28.52 | Admiral_Chicago | ah i see, from my experience in Samba / XP, windows keeps a lot of the improperly configure connections |
| 09:29.10 | SperMite | Admiral_Chicago All im trying to do is set samba up so I can log into my linux box and watch my HD movies |
| 09:29.11 | possie | SlayerXP, when i do a 'lsof /var' i only see files which are not important to me currently, so i can only loose there content right? (i mean that's the 'not recommended' part you ment right?) |
| 09:29.55 | Admiral_Chicago | SperMite: if you haven't already, i'd check out #samba |
| 09:30.16 | Admiral_Chicago | i was on my way to bed, i'm sorry i can't be more helpful |
| 09:30.41 | SlayerXP | possie: yup |
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| 09:31.21 | possie | SlayerXP, then i don't mind forced unmounting it, if i was able to |
| 09:31.59 | SlayerXP | possie: check the umount man page |
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| 09:33.03 | possie | SlayerXP, -f doesn't work, lazy -l does work |
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| 09:35.01 | unfo | hi all, wouldn't it be cool if the bot did fuzzy matching and returned the right factoid even when you spelled it wrong? |
| 09:35.41 | n000b | anybody knows a repository for kiba-dock? |
| 09:35.51 | Guerin | n000b: google does |
| 09:36.04 | unfo | n000b: try apt-get.org - be patient |
| 09:36.31 | unfo | n000b: i'd be curious to hear if you find a repo or not. |
| 09:36.47 | n000b | all right, i'll report back here |
| 09:37.17 | n000b | in fact i found something at mentors.debian.net |
| 09:37.44 | abhinay | any 3gp converter ? |
| 09:37.48 | unfo | n000b: I wonder if it's part of an ITP (Intent To Package) bug, and if so how old the ITP is. |
| 09:37.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:37.50 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 09:47.23 | eleftherios | Java released under the GPL? Does that mean we will be able to apt-get it soon? |
| 09:48.27 | cydork | eleftherios: just the compiler and jvm is released atm |
| 09:48.29 | cydork | !java |
| 09:48.30 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 09:48.54 | eleftherios | hm, partially? |
| 09:48.59 | eleftherios | ah |
| 09:49.18 | eleftherios | cydork, what else remains to be released under the GPL? |
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| 09:53.23 | eleftherios | ah the jdk |
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| 09:54.26 | LinuxHelp | How do I decrease the priority of an entire repository using /etc/apt/preferences ? I know how to change an individual package, just not an entire repository |
| 09:55.18 | cydork | eleftherios: the class libraries |
| 09:56.53 | eleftherios | I wonder why didn't they released them all at once |
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| 09:59.04 | unfo | hi all, I just downloaded an interesting app which is a single .jar file. My /home is on a USB flash drive which is full. |
| 09:59.18 | unfo | Where is the proper place to store the app? /usr/local/stow/misc? |
| 09:59.34 | unfo | (The app is GPL'd but is not in apt.) |
| 09:59.59 | cydork | unfo: /opt :) |
| 10:00.50 | unfo | cydork: :-P |
| 10:01.05 | unfo | what is /opt usually used for on Unix systems? |
| 10:01.21 | cydork | !/opt |
| 10:01.21 | dpkg | i heard /opt is for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See usrlocal, FHS |
| 10:01.22 | vsmack | unfo: it's like /usr/local |
| 10:01.23 | Phated | OPTional stuff. |
| 10:02.20 | unfo | !usrlocal |
| 10:02.20 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* install into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: equivs, FHS, /opt, stow, or checkinstall |
| 10:03.04 | unfo | I think I'll use /usr/local. It's my tradition. |
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| 10:07.29 | stefan_ | firefox 2 isn't availeble for amd64 via apt, right? |
| 10:07.37 | xored | thank you for unbanning |
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| 10:09.40 | unfo | is stow(1) supposed to be creating hard links? The link count of the files I am stowing seems not to be increasing, and that makes me wonder. |
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| 10:13.23 | george | unfo: if link count not increasing, then any link to that thing is sym |
| 10:14.33 | unfo | george: i found the answer. stow is running something like: ln -s /usr/share/stow/misc/bin /usr/share/bin |
| 10:14.41 | utrrrongeeb | Does anyone know whether you can have GCJ and Sun Java installed simultaneously? |
| 10:15.07 | george | unfo: so, confirmed. symlinks |
| 10:15.09 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: i have both installed right now, thanks to update-alternatives(1) taking care of name collisions for me. |
| 10:15.12 | unfo | george: yes. |
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| 10:16.41 | unfo | I prefer relink(1) over stow(1). Problem is, relink isn't in apt. So I'm using stow. It's the standard, and it's imperfect. |
| 10:17.05 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: just curious: what java apps do you plan to work with? |
| 10:17.11 | utrrrongeeb | unfo: What's update-alternatives? I haven't yet downloaded it, but I noticed that GCJ's symlinks might cause conflicts. |
| 10:17.21 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: it comes with debian. see its manpage. |
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| 10:18.30 | utrrrongeeb | unfo: Okay, I'll look at it eventually... I want to run some 3D modelling software by the name of Art of Illusion, and the JEdit text editor, to name the primary ones. |
| 10:18.41 | unfo | Though now that I think of it, stow gives you a cleaner directory structure in the end. |
| 10:19.39 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: use sun java. It'll be fully open sourced next year. 'Why suffer with free java when you don't have to' is my philosophy. |
| 10:20.07 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: btw, try gvim or xemacs. They're superb. |
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| 10:21.35 | utrrrongeeb | I was intending to install Sun Java, expecially as it is about to be made open source. I wanted to know whether GCJ could be used at the same time, though. It appears it can. I'll look at those text editors; thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 10:23.10 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: get a local Linux expert to teach you gvim or xemacs in person. I see no reason to use JEdit or any other low-featured editor. Eclipse maybe. JEdit? No. :) |
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| 10:23.34 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: also see vimtutor(1) and the XEmacs Help->Tutorial. |
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| 10:23.53 | george | right, or just learn them yourself... |
| 10:24.07 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: and the reference cards. |
| 10:24.09 | unfo | !refcards |
| 10:24.13 | unfo | george: nah :) |
| 10:24.42 | george | oh I forgot... no one does that anymore |
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| 10:25.43 | unfo | !refcards are at http://...refcards.com/refcards |
| 10:25.44 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 10:25.51 | unfo | !forget refcards |
| 10:25.51 | dpkg | unfo: i forgot refcards |
| 10:26.11 | unfo | !refcards are at http://www.digilife.be/quickreferences/quickrefs.htm and there are more at http://refcards.com/refcards |
| 10:26.12 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 10:26.15 | unfo | !reference cards are at http://www.digilife.be/quickreferences/quickrefs.htm and there are more at http://refcards.com/refcards |
| 10:26.15 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 10:26.21 | utrrrongeeb | unfo: Okay, I'll consider those... At the moment, my reasons for using JEdit are the capability to have a pile of files constantly open, syntax highlighting, builtin browser to read javadocs/tutorials, and a builtin console for compiling and running (the latter two need plugins). |
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| 10:26.57 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: Vim 7.0 and xemacs have all those except for javadoc. |
| 10:27.10 | unfo | to compile, type :make in Vim or M-x compile in XEmacs |
| 10:27.22 | unfo | for tabs in vim, do :help tabs |
| 10:27.42 | unfo | the point of vim and emacs are that they are customizable. |
| 10:27.58 | unfo | they have 10x the features that JEdit ever will. |
| 10:28.14 | unfo | there's a reason that they are the standard Unix text editors that everyone uses. |
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| 10:28.18 | george | maybe features aren't what he needs tho |
| 10:28.31 | unfo | IMO developers need features. :) |
| 10:28.35 | george | I like emacs personally |
| 10:28.36 | ilreds | hi |
| 10:28.41 | cydork | george: http://www.dolda2000.com/~fredrik/vi-emacs2.jpg |
| 10:28.41 | ilreds | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.07 | george | unfo: IYO, -you- need features :) and there's not a problem with that |
| 10:29.09 | ilreds | these are the errors: |
| 10:29.09 | ilreds | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.09 | ilreds | <ilreds> object file: No such file or directory' |
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| 10:29.33 | george | so it's a missing-lib problem |
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| 10:29.48 | ilreds | and **WARNING** gzflush error -2(stream error) |
| 10:29.50 | utrrrongeeb | unfo: I'll look at that sight, it sounds useful. My problem is that I don't personally know any Linux experts. I'll look into those features... JEdit has a plugin that is a web browser. I can view the Javadocs, among other things, in it. |
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| 10:30.05 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: look for a LUG or university computer club near you. |
| 10:30.06 | unfo | !lug |
| 10:30.06 | dpkg | hmm... lug is a Linux User Group. They are superb for getting free, in-person help for Linux installation and other issues. There is one in every large city, and some in smaller places too. Use Google to search for: London Linux User Group or New York Linux User Group or some such. Or, ask your local college's Computer Science department if there is a computer club or Linux club. Or ask us. |
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| 10:30.52 | unfo | ilreds: if you installed ntop from apt, that sounds like a bug. |
| 10:31.00 | unfo | (if you compiled it from source, sorry :-) ) |
| 10:31.15 | unfo | ilreds: what did you try already to resolve the error? |
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| 10:31.38 | ilreds | apt |
| 10:32.01 | george | unfo: my point being, I do use emacs and for its dev stuff... but not everyone will also |
| 10:32.12 | unfo | george: most devs should learn vim or emacs. |
| 10:32.23 | george | he wants what he wants, and there isn't anything wrong with that |
| 10:33.23 | oOGneaOo | utrrrongeeb: have you checked out eclipse? |
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| 10:33.33 | earthian | hello |
| 10:33.44 | earthian | how do i enable boot splash images? |
| 10:33.46 | oOGneaOo | !eclipse |
| 10:33.46 | dpkg | i heard eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 10:33.54 | earthian | !boot splash |
| 10:34.00 | unfo | george: yes, jedit is a perfectly good editor. I am merely suggesting he switch to vim or emacs because they are even better. :) |
| 10:34.07 | earthian | !splash |
| 10:34.07 | george | there's also netbeans |
| 10:34.07 | oOGneaOo | !bootsplash |
| 10:34.08 | dpkg | i guess bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 10:34.15 | utrrrongeeb | oOGneaOo: I'll look into it... |
| 10:34.28 | oOGneaOo | utrrrongeeb: http://engtech.ca/archives/possug_meeting_nov_4th |
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| 10:34.37 | earthian | woohoo :o |
| 10:34.42 | george | unfo: timtowtdi |
| 10:34.55 | unfo | george: you're suggesting that maybe i shouldn't suggest vim/emacs? |
| 10:35.19 | unfo | (which I guess is a valid viewpoint.) |
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| 10:35.37 | george | unfo: sure, suggest... but you're spending most of your time suggesting and not much of your time helping with what has been asked for |
| 10:35.58 | george | and I'm not saying you -have- to |
| 10:36.07 | george | maybe you don't know how :) |
| 10:36.15 | george | and that's fine too |
| 10:36.17 | oOGneaOo | unfo: vim/emacs are great (i prefer vim myself), but since he's got a preference for java, might as well let him have at it and let him decide for himself... jedit is good, although a bit basic |
| 10:36.29 | eSa| | d-i doesn't recognize the cdrom on my system. I have two cdroms and it tries to mount the wrong one |
| 10:36.36 | possie | anyone know a good tool todo performance analysis with, because my system some times just hangs for a while (20 to 30 seconds) and then continues |
| 10:36.39 | earthian | hm.. wtf? |
| 10:36.48 | Sypher | guys, anybody with VHCS2 in here? ... im gettin a white page where the login of vhcs should be and im in a pinch ... :/ |
| 10:36.54 | oOGneaOo | eSa|: try disabling the other one in the bios, then boot |
| 10:36.54 | george | eSa|: are you sure it fails to -recognize- it? |
| 10:36.57 | unfo | george: good point. thank you for the feedback. |
| 10:37.02 | earthian | !info linux-patch-bootsplash |
| 10:37.06 | earthian | !info kernel-patch-bootsplash |
| 10:37.10 | dpkg | kernel-patch-bootsplash: (Bootsplash enables a graphical boot screen (kernel-patch)), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.6.16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 278 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 10:37.11 | dpkg | linux-patch-bootsplash: (Bootsplash enables a graphical boot screen (kernel-patch)), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.6.18-1 (sid), Packaged size: 278 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 10:37.14 | earthian | :| |
| 10:37.58 | george | eSa|: also... can you just put the cd in the other drive? :) |
| 10:38.14 | eSa| | net-install boot correctly from the intended cdrom. then d-i tries access the other one... |
| 10:38.25 | george | is it the "wrong drive" because it's not the boot drive? |
| 10:38.52 | eSa| | yes |
| 10:39.04 | unfo | (i like to think of the "suggesting" I sometimes do as teaching, even if it's a lame form of teaching.) |
| 10:39.16 | george | eSa|: do you have time to move the cd over? |
| 10:39.39 | george | unfo: you can only teach thems what wanna be taught :) |
| 10:39.45 | eSa| | Yeah... I can play a lot of cheap tricks with my pc |
| 10:40.14 | george | eSa|: so why not play a cheap trick now, get thru it, and install debian? :) |
| 10:40.14 | unfo | Sypher: i have no clue. Maybe try to view source of the white page, or maybe take a 2nd machine w/ debian base or ubuntu live and install vhcs2 on it. |
| 10:40.33 | unfo | Sypher: also consider checking the logs for a hint. |
| 10:40.36 | Sypher | unfo, only thing i see its a commented out page about the connections ... |
| 10:40.42 | george | eSa|: it's worth a shot :) |
| 10:40.44 | unfo | ?? |
| 10:40.48 | eSa| | george: sure... but I think this is a bug |
| 10:40.53 | Sypher | unfo, about the compression, sorry. |
| 10:40.55 | george | oh, I agree |
| 10:41.00 | george | definitely a bug |
| 10:41.04 | possie | is there away to do a filesystem check (in some sort of read-only mode) which i can do on a mounted (in operation) ext3 filesystem? |
| 10:41.09 | unfo | Sypher: can you /msg me the entire page source? |
| 10:41.12 | Sypher | unfo, and ye, i checked the logs, gives me 200 reply and gets me white page. no errors at all .... |
| 10:41.14 | Sypher | unfo, ye sec |
| 10:41.18 | george | it actually should look in all cd drives, but starting with the boot drive |
| 10:41.20 | eSa| | an ugly - annoyng_to_death bug |
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| 10:41.25 | unfo | ilreds: any luck? |
| 10:41.43 | unfo | it'd be a good idea to send a bug report to submit@bugs.debian.org later. |
| 10:41.43 | george | eSa|: no question about it |
| 10:42.48 | eSa| | where can I file/check for a bug against d-i? |
| 10:42.49 | george | I would imagine the reason is it's looking at a list of cdroms which are in fact online, but the first in the list is not the boot one necessarily |
| 10:43.03 | unfo | hmm, so you're saying all you get is <!-- Compression level: 8 / Original size: 0 kb / New size: 0.01 kb / Saving: -0.01 kb (0 %) / Time: 0.2 ms / Serverload: 0.02 --> |
| 10:43.28 | eSa| | george: I'm of the same idea |
| 10:43.35 | utrrrongeeb | oOGneaOo: Thanks for that site, didn't know it existed. I suppose you used whois and google? |
| 10:43.38 | unfo | Sypher: and you wrote "i think it might be a problem with PHP, but i cant figure out how to catch it" |
| 10:43.50 | unfo | Sypher: no clue at all. try channel #php or #web maybe? |
| 10:43.55 | unfo | or try asking again here? |
| 10:43.57 | Sypher | wilco, thanks ... |
| 10:44.03 | unfo | or pay someone smarter than me for support. |
| 10:44.25 | Sypher | ya ... bad thing is that i stumbled upon this problem before |
| 10:44.30 | Sypher | but i cant damn remember how i solvedi t. |
| 10:44.31 | Sypher | :) |
| 10:44.32 | george | eSa|: a quick hack could solve that... if it's your goal to test the install, cool enough.. but if it's your goal to install debian, do that and then worry about other stuff ;) |
| 10:44.37 | oOGneaOo | utrrrongeeb: sure |
| 10:44.58 | oOGneaOo | utrrrongeeb: the info's out there, it's not a secret, after all |
| 10:45.03 | unfo | any volunteers here who are willing to do paid support for Sypher if Sypher is interested? |
| 10:45.28 | oOGneaOo | only if Sypher doesn't suck :) |
| 10:45.39 | unfo | oOGneaOo: i don't get it. |
| 10:45.48 | Sypher | me neither |
| 10:45.49 | eSa| | george: That's neither cases, I'm trying to recover my etch system after a blind dist-upgrade |
| 10:45.59 | Sypher | ;P |
| 10:46.28 | oOGneaOo | sorry, i read it the wrong way - i thought you were asking "will anyone pay Sypher to do paid support?" |
| 10:46.34 | unfo | oOGneaOo: ah. :) |
| 10:46.40 | oOGneaOo | Sypher: but yes, i would be more than happy to. |
| 10:46.43 | unfo | i try to keep my tips.txt file and my troubleshooting file updated. It's hard. |
| 10:46.45 | george | as a professional, you don't have the luxury of an opinion in that area... whether he sucks or not, he may be offering a gig... (or not, because I see him remembering his earlier solution) |
| 10:46.55 | oOGneaOo | i should probably make some coffee ;) |
| 10:47.20 | oOGneaOo | george: please see my following statement. |
| 10:47.21 | george | I thought coffee could not be created or destroyed! |
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| 10:47.26 | unfo | george: :) |
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| 10:47.48 | oOGneaOo | george: that's only if you continually look at life as one big picture without every zooming in ;) |
| 10:47.56 | oOGneaOo | s/every/ever/ |
| 10:48.41 | george | eSa|: what's wrong with your install, do you think? I'm considering an upgrade to etch |
| 10:49.05 | george | maybe it's not time to go there yet... |
| 10:49.34 | utrrrongeeb | How do you compile a Java program to binary with GCJ? |
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| 10:50.02 | george | there might be rules built into make |
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| 10:51.50 | george | oOGneaOo: which part was yuour comment a response to? coffee can't be created? |
| 10:51.59 | unfo | utrrrongeeb: check the gcj docs? check the web for a tutorial? or check the manpage for examples maybe. |
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| 10:53.55 | unfo | whoever asked before about fsck: maybe it's fsck -n |
| 10:55.42 | eSa| | george: In my case I completely skipped reading the warning messages during the upgrade... a couple of days after I've reboot with kernel panic because it didn't recognize raid devices anymore |
| 10:55.42 | oOGneaOo | george: no, in regards to the paid support |
| 10:56.57 | george | what exactly happens when fdisk creates an ext partition? does it also make an empty logical partition table? can I prevent this to see if I can recover my ext partition? |
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| 10:57.46 | blondie | george: no it doesn't make it empty, it just updates the partition table |
| 10:57.54 | oOGneaOo | fdisk doesn't create ext partitions. |
| 10:58.05 | george | yes it does |
| 10:58.06 | eSa| | I think If only I'd been more careful I won't have encountered such a bad situation... Anyone I've been disappointed that d-i does allow anymore to configure ext2 partitions. Even kernel support seems no more available |
| 10:58.06 | oOGneaOo | oh, extended partitions? |
| 10:58.11 | george | yes |
| 10:58.17 | oOGneaOo | you said ext, i thought ext2/3 at first |
| 10:58.25 | blondie | yeah, silly use of words |
| 10:58.28 | george | yeah, sorry, didn't mean that |
| 10:58.35 | oOGneaOo | s'all good |
| 10:59.26 | george | so if I tell fdisk to (re)create an ext partn where I think it went... |
| 10:59.51 | george | I might see the old logical partitions if I guess right? |
| 11:00.04 | oOGneaOo | fdisk lets you create a logical partition and it keeps further logicals within that amount of extended space - whenever the logicals fill up, fdisk automatically caps the extended to the amount of space the logicals are using |
| 11:00.06 | george | ok so that's a lot of ifs |
| 11:00.22 | oOGneaOo | no, fdisk won't do that |
| 11:00.51 | oOGneaOo | if you already have the logical partitions on there, and you screwed up the mbr somehow, you might be able to use something like sfdisk to recover |
| 11:00.54 | george | do you normally use fdisk, cfdisk, something else? |
| 11:01.02 | oOGneaOo | depends on the situation |
| 11:01.15 | eSa| | I'm tryng to boot but grub gives me Error 25: Disk read error. What can I do? I think grub really is having a ball about that |
| 11:01.18 | george | cfdisk tends to minimize the ext partm |
| 11:01.22 | oOGneaOo | typically fdisk or cfdisk |
| 11:01.43 | george | which is not what I want :) |
| 11:01.47 | oOGneaOo | eSa|: are you sure it's trying to read the right disk? |
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| 11:02.04 | oOGneaOo | george: what do you mean by 'minimize'? |
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| 11:02.21 | eSa| | not really, I'm on less funny things |
| 11:02.27 | oOGneaOo | it asks you how big you want the partition to be, you tell it what size, and it does it |
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| 11:02.54 | eSa| | right now I'm trying to boot my"lost" etch |
| 11:02.55 | george | if you use cfdisk to create a logical partn, it will resize the ext partn to be the minimum that will contain the logicals it is aware of |
| 11:02.57 | possie | is there away to have a historical process list? like say i would like to view the process list as it was 10minutes ago? |
| 11:03.08 | oOGneaOo | eSa|: can you read the /boot/ of the root partition from grub's commandline interface? |
| 11:03.19 | eSa| | Yes I can |
| 11:03.47 | eSa| | I have 4 kernels |
| 11:04.12 | george | but fdisk will not do that |
| 11:04.12 | eSa| | everyone I try to boot gives the same error... |
| 11:04.13 | oOGneaOo | george: correct. it gives you the ability to throw an extended partition within primaries, but not really. it just treats unused disk space exactly as that: unused space. |
| 11:04.42 | george | right, and for this process, I want that to not happen :) |
| 11:04.54 | oOGneaOo | george: are you sure you're passing the correct root= argument? |
| 11:05.09 | oOGneaOo | george: then use all of the space available :) |
| 11:05.19 | oOGneaOo | aaah, coffee's done |
| 11:05.36 | george | I'm just trying to be damn sure it doesn't overwrite the old logical partition table (which, btw, is where? |
| 11:05.38 | george | ) |
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| 11:07.23 | oOGneaOo | george: uhm, it's wherever you put it. you should really back that data up first. |
| 11:07.35 | unfo | Sypher: oOGneaOo: how did it go? |
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| 11:07.46 | oOGneaOo | unfo: how did what go? |
| 11:07.47 | Sypher | mh ? |
| 11:07.55 | Sypher | still didnt ask anything i am sorting the problem out myself |
| 11:07.55 | Sypher | ;P |
| 11:07.56 | adilson | hi friends! |
| 11:07.58 | adilson | :) |
| 11:08.03 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 11:08.06 | oOGneaOo | that's what i figured :) |
| 11:08.10 | Sypher | unfo, its a php related problem, seems like it stops working when i call mysql ... |
| 11:08.21 | george | oOGneaOo: ok, how would I go about specifying where fdisk will place the logical partition table? |
| 11:08.22 | unfo | Sypher: when you call mysql? |
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| 11:08.32 | Sypher | unfo, the vhcs page probably calls mysql |
| 11:08.39 | unfo | probably? :) |
| 11:08.51 | Sypher | so its probably a mis-configuration of php *or* apache in my side, but i cant find where i messed it up ... |
| 11:08.54 | Sypher | unfo, ok, surely. :D |
| 11:08.58 | oOGneaOo | george: uhm, you'd really need to know the exact cylinders/sectors for the original partition in order to recover it |
| 11:09.04 | unfo | It sucks that AFAIK php doesn't ship a good debugger. |
| 11:09.13 | unfo | Perl and Python both do. |
| 11:09.16 | blondie | print is a good debugger. |
| 11:09.22 | unfo | blondie: sometimes. |
| 11:09.57 | Sypher | not in my case unfortunately. |
| 11:10.11 | Sypher | shit it connects successfully ... waaahhh then i dont really know. im lost. -.- |
| 11:10.16 | adilson | Sata controller, silicon 3112 and debian etch .... I need know about the kernel parameters to type at the boot prompt, please, who can help me ??????????????? |
| 11:10.25 | aidehua | Will Linux 2.4 be supported in etch? |
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| 11:10.34 | unfo | aidehua: i assume so. |
| 11:10.36 | adilson | my kernel is 2.6.17 |
| 11:10.42 | adilson | debina etch |
| 11:10.46 | blondie | I doubt it |
| 11:10.51 | oOGneaOo | why do people feel the need to use more than one question mark at the same time? |
| 11:10.53 | blondie | 2.4 isn't in etch at the moment |
| 11:10.56 | george | adilson: I assume you don't need parameters |
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| 11:11.03 | blondie | oOGneaOo: stupidify |
| 11:11.04 | unfo | oOGneaOo: desperation or emphasis |
| 11:11.07 | blondie | *stupidity |
| 11:11.09 | aidehua | Maybe it is time to attempt to run 2.6 after all :) |
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| 11:11.23 | unfo | adilson: please try again with less question marks and more grammar :) |
| 11:11.26 | oOGneaOo | maybe they just don't want help, just attention :) |
| 11:11.38 | adilson | but I was tryng do that with no parameters.... but itÅ› no possible.... when I use raid 0.... |
| 11:11.40 | george | if you have two grammars, use them both! |
| 11:11.56 | oOGneaOo | adilson: are you sure you setup the raid right? |
| 11:12.00 | bonez41 | I have a new networked printer, with jetdirect, hooked directly to my router...not to my pc...is there anyway I can set up iptables, to filter who can print to this printer, since it's not hooked to my linux box? |
| 11:12.05 | unfo | how about context-free and non-context-free English grammar at the same time? |
| 11:12.12 | unfo | george: :-) |
| 11:12.16 | oOGneaOo | bonez41: yes. |
| 11:12.41 | blondie | bonez41: no |
| 11:12.51 | oOGneaOo | blondie: shutup :) |
| 11:12.55 | bonez41 | oOGneaOo, blondie well, nothing like consensus.... |
| 11:12.55 | adilson | yes the setup is all ok |
| 11:12.58 | blondie | I'm right, you're wrong |
| 11:13.11 | oOGneaOo | adilson: then why won't it boot? |
| 11:13.16 | bonez41 | whom to believe..... |
| 11:13.17 | blondie | oOGneaOo: how is iptables going to stop users of another computer printing to it? |
| 11:13.33 | oOGneaOo | blondie: by being utilized in the correct fashion. |
| 11:13.38 | bonez41 | is it something I'd have to filter at the router then? |
| 11:13.46 | george | bonez41: is it connected to the outside (between your router and the dsl modem) or inside? |
| 11:13.48 | oOGneaOo | is iptables on the router? |
| 11:13.56 | blondie | bonez41: you can set ACLs on the printer itself |
| 11:14.02 | adilson | because I must type the parameters like this: hardware.module=value at the boot prompt |
| 11:14.22 | blondie | bonez41: you telnet to the printer's IP and there should be options in there to restrict access by IP address |
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| 11:14.30 | george | adilson: you could try using modconf |
| 11:14.52 | oOGneaOo | adilson: so basically it's sata raid? |
| 11:15.13 | george | adilson: out of curiousity, why do you need paramters? |
| 11:15.30 | adilson | yes |
| 11:15.36 | oOGneaOo | !sata raid |
| 11:15.36 | dpkg | The FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 11:15.46 | oOGneaOo | adilson: check those pages out |
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| 11:16.12 | adilson | because if I use no parameters my debian etch do not install |
| 11:16.29 | oOGneaOo | well, etch isn't fully stable yet, so i wouldn't trust it |
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| 11:17.36 | george | adilson: ok... so write the params down and install etch or whichever, and then use modconf to arrange that the module in question be loaded at boot, and fed the proper params |
| 11:17.51 | n000b | unfo: couldn't find a package for kiba-doc so i have built my own |
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| 11:18.27 | n000b | unfo: if anyone is interested, i can make it publicly available |
| 11:18.56 | george | maybe kiba-doc is in non-free |
| 11:19.10 | george | !info kiba-doc |
| 11:19.12 | bonez41 | george, it's connected to my router....so inside.it has an internal ip address, nothing visible to outside |
| 11:19.41 | bonez41 | blondie, I just found that I can filter on a device's MAC address.... |
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| 11:20.10 | george | bonez41: and you want to do what, restrict prints coming from inside your net, or print from the outside? |
| 11:20.11 | bonez41 | so If I can find the mac address of my office machine, I can specifically allow traffic from that office machine in..... |
| 11:20.23 | adilson | the problem is .... I have no idea about the kernel parameters... |
| 11:20.37 | bonez41 | george, I want to only allow print jobs from outside...to reach this printer....which has port 9100 forwarded..... |
| 11:20.48 | george | adilson: do you know what parameters you typed in? |
| 11:21.12 | george | so you want to communicate using port 9100? |
| 11:21.14 | bonez41 | george, I want to print to it locally, here at home, on the network, plus allow restricted printing for jobs from my office, i.e., from outside |
| 11:21.31 | bonez41 | yeah, using port 9100, which has jetdirect on it...to this printer |
| 11:21.46 | bonez41 | george, the trick is discovering the MAC address of my machine at work.. |
| 11:22.03 | george | why not discover its IP address? |
| 11:22.10 | adilson | no... I just know I must type a parameter to kernel 2.6.17 in a Debian etch to recognize Sata controller (sil 3112) Ata Raid..... |
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| 11:23.19 | george | adilson: so not only do you need to arrange to load the module at boot with a certain parameter... you need to find out what exactly the parameter is so you can type it |
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| 11:24.00 | Sypher | unfo, oOGneaOo, solved! :) |
| 11:24.08 | adilson | yes... |
| 11:24.26 | adilson | this is may doubt |
| 11:24.41 | george | so, you have -never- gotten your raid to work? |
| 11:24.49 | bonez41 | george, the filter on my local router wants a MAC address, not any IP address |
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| 11:25.21 | george | what os is it running |
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| 11:26.39 | bonez41 | george, if I ssh to my office machine..and run as root > ifconfig.... does that reveal that machine's MAC address? |
| 11:26.57 | george | bonez41: should... |
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| 11:27.12 | unfo | Sypher: excellent! |
| 11:27.17 | george | are you saying the router near your printer needs mac addresses? |
| 11:27.27 | Kalist00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.30 | Sypher | unfo, know what .. it was a lib that didnt get included into the php.ini |
| 11:27.35 | george | or (much more likely) the router at your work |
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| 11:28.03 | eSa| | adilson: what error are you getting? |
| 11:28.30 | george | bonez41: and yes, that will get you a mac address |
| 11:28.58 | george | Kalist00: can happen. |
| 11:29.37 | george | in which case it uses a cypher and unix passwd auth |
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| 11:32.47 | adilson | ok... just a minute .... from here some minutes I say you about thet.... thanks |
| 11:32.55 | bonez41 | george, so, if IFCONFIG shows HWaddr followed by a 6 segment number that would be it, right? |
| 11:33.11 | george | bonez41: yep |
| 11:33.31 | george | 2 hex digits per seg |
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| 11:34.39 | SpeedyG | how can I see my current bandwidth in debian? is there a simple tool for that gives it in a one-line output? |
| 11:34.49 | SpeedyG | *bandwidth usage |
| 11:35.16 | bonez41 | george, ok, thanks |
| 11:35.55 | george | bonez41: note... mac addresses only exist inside a single ethernet |
| 11:36.32 | PumpkinPie | SpeedyG: ipgrah? ifgraph |
| 11:37.51 | bonez41 | george, isn't the MAC address a unique identifier for a specific piece of hardware, my network interface card, in this example? |
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| 11:38.13 | SpeedyG | PumpkinPie: cant find that :/ |
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| 11:38.36 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:38.37 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:41.54 | power | whats the (meta)package to install Xorg |
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| 11:42.45 | cydork | power: xorg |
| 11:43.27 | power | apt-cache search xorg returns nothing (this is sarge netinstall ) |
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| 11:44.16 | oOGneaOo | power: you'll need to use backports then |
| 11:44.18 | oOGneaOo | !backports |
| 11:44.19 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 11:45.01 | oOGneaOo | backports are solid. |
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| 11:45.36 | frex | mount -a tells me "unable to open credentials" Who can tell me how to fix? |
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| 11:46.29 | oOGneaOo | frex: become root |
| 11:46.57 | SpeedyG | PumpkinPie: nvm, got some tool allready :) |
| 11:47.19 | frex | oOGneaOo: I am root |
| 11:47.25 | frex | oOGneaOo problem persists |
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| 11:48.26 | Edward_TLS | nice.. : load average: 1727.53, 1093.26, 472. |
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| 11:48.30 | oOGneaOo | frex: paste the output of /etc/fstab to pastebin please |
| 11:48.32 | oOGneaOo | !pastebin |
| 11:48.32 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 11:49.52 | frex | oOGneaOo >> http://pastebin.ca/249937 |
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| 11:50.06 | evilista | Edward_TLS: are you gentooing? :) |
| 11:50.15 | n000b | anyone knows python? |
| 11:50.26 | n000b | what am i supposed to install |
| 11:50.36 | n000b | so python won't complain |
| 11:50.48 | n000b | when trying to 'import gconf'? |
| 11:51.00 | blondie | give exact error messages please |
| 11:51.09 | frex | nothing worse than a nagging python |
| 11:51.21 | n000b | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.22 | n000b | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.33 | oOGneaOo | frex: you've got a bunch of samba shares listed, and for some reason, the incorrect password info isn't being passed onto mount to mount them |
| 11:51.49 | oOGneaOo | frex: s/incorrect/correct/ |
| 11:51.53 | n000b | ImportError: No module named gconf |
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| 11:52.15 | frex | oOGneaOo yes, how do I troubleshoot? Where the problem is |
| 11:52.24 | Edward_TLS | nope... just havy loaded webserver |
| 11:52.37 | oOGneaOo | frex: first of all, you should try to get the shares to mount via the commandline |
| 11:52.52 | oOGneaOo | frex: once you can mount them that way, then work on getting the proper info over to fstab |
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| 11:53.12 | oOGneaOo | frex: check the manpage for fstab too, it has a lot of good info |
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| 11:53.48 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 11:54.53 | evilista | n000b: try installing python-gnome2-dev |
| 11:54.55 | perlmonkey | I'm having a problem, just updated my aliases in bashrc, and ran source on it, but it loaded perl5db.pl DB routines shell. Any ideas what is causing this? |
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| 11:55.43 | n000b | evilista: done. unfortunately, same error |
| 11:55.46 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 11:56.33 | teclo- | Hello, if I want to copy a complete Debian system to another disk, I just need to 1) create partitions on the target disk 2) mount these partitions in, for instance, /mnt/target/, /mnt/target/home, /mnt/target/var 3) cp --preserve -Rv of everything *except*: proc, sys and mnt ... is that correct ? |
| 11:56.43 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: paste your .bashrc on pastebin |
| 11:56.48 | oOGneaOo | !pastebin |
| 11:56.48 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 11:57.00 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: no can do |
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| 11:57.15 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: no info, no help |
| 11:57.21 | n000b | evilista: many thanks. it's working!!! |
| 11:57.40 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: I just gave the info tho |
| 11:57.42 | evilista | n000b: yw |
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| 12:00.44 | gnube | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.34 | diskus | reboot |
| 12:02.05 | gnube | diskus, Thanks, that is what I have been doing. I thought that was the only real solution. |
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| 12:02.15 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: no, you didn't, only only gave vague info |
| 12:02.18 | basanta | I want to download latest debian testing what should I donload? |
| 12:02.21 | diskus | I'm still thinking it's the only one :P |
| 12:02.28 | oOGneaOo | basanta: why? |
| 12:02.41 | evilista | basanta: sid |
| 12:02.52 | oOGneaOo | evilista: no. |
| 12:03.08 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: I explained the exact nature of the problem, how/when it occurrs, and asked if anyone had any ideas what could be causing it. how is that vague info exactly? |
| 12:03.10 | basanta | I just want to try |
| 12:03.55 | basanta | evilista, sid is unstable no |
| 12:04.09 | frex | oOGneaOo >> The solution was found. Thanks for your help. Solution was: search for credentials file and copy it back to the correct directory |
| 12:04.09 | frex | oOGneaOo >> then run mount -a again |
| 12:04.13 | frex | worked like a charm |
| 12:04.15 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: because it doesn't say anything. it doesn't help. if you want help, then be willing to work with any of us to get it done. i am asking for the contents of your .bashrc, or at least the part that's loading the perl crap, that's really not asking for a whole lot. |
| 12:04.28 | Xteven | heh |
| 12:04.28 | oOGneaOo | frex: right on :) |
| 12:04.34 | Xteven | Acquire::Retries is buggy |
| 12:04.40 | Xteven | bug has been filed 5 years (!) ago |
| 12:04.44 | Xteven | and noone has fixed it yet |
| 12:05.07 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 12:05.43 | evilista | yes, basanta. oOGneaOo, I guess the next testing tree hasn't been named yet |
| 12:05.51 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: all I was asking for was any ideas/pointers as to where to look |
| 12:05.56 | chjunior | guys, the mysql-server-5.0 package is failing..... it can not start and don't says the error, is it just with me? |
| 12:06.19 | basanta | evilista, ok |
| 12:06.20 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: you, sir, are an idiot. |
| 12:06.23 | streuner | chjunior: what does BTS say about? |
| 12:06.28 | perlmonkey | whatever |
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| 12:06.37 | basanta | evilista, I already have etch |
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| 12:06.49 | oOGneaOo | god i hate that guy |
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| 12:07.17 | basanta | evilista, there no testing release after that, is it so? |
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| 12:07.59 | evilista | er, mea culpa. http://www.debian.org/releases/ says etch is currently testing, and will be released as stable sometime later.. |
| 12:08.20 | bidha2k | do you know from which pacakge i can get base64 tools.. |
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| 12:08.59 | bidha2k | besie openssl |
| 12:09.03 | oOGneaOo | basanta: try here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:09.05 | bidha2k | beside openssl |
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| 12:10.15 | chjunior | streuner, nothing.... =/ (I'm new in use the apt-lisbugs, but the command was apt-listbugs list mysql-server-5.0) |
| 12:10.41 | oOGneaOo | basanta: if you're used to sarge/woody installation, it's basically the same idea |
| 12:12.13 | tangae | hello |
| 12:12.26 | basanta | oOGneaOo, I have a cd that says debian 31r2 |
| 12:12.37 | oOGneaOo | basanta: where does it 'say' it? |
| 12:12.39 | tangae | is anybody can help me about upgrading glibc6 (>2.4-1) |
| 12:12.46 | oOGneaOo | basanta: that's sarge/stable |
| 12:12.46 | tangae | on etch |
| 12:12.58 | cydork | oOGneaOo: try qemu |
| 12:12.58 | basanta | oOGneaOo, ok |
| 12:13.04 | oOGneaOo | tangae: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:13.23 | oOGneaOo | cydork: hrmm |
| 12:13.39 | chjunior | streuner, and than.... some idea? |
| 12:13.44 | tangae | oOGneaOo >>> no, there's just 2.3 with that |
| 12:13.55 | oOGneaOo | tangae: 2.3? |
| 12:14.02 | oOGneaOo | oh |
| 12:14.06 | tangae | 2.4 isn't in unstable yet |
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| 12:14.24 | oOGneaOo | tangae: you said etch, not unstable. |
| 12:14.34 | oOGneaOo | !branch |
| 12:14.34 | dpkg | hmm... branch is what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
| 12:14.48 | basanta | oOGneaOo, so 31r4 is also sarge/stable? |
| 12:15.11 | oOGneaOo | basanta: yes, 31 (or 3.1) is sarge - r4 just says it's revision 4 |
| 12:15.37 | basanta | oOGneaOo, ok |
| 12:15.38 | evilista | cydork: yup, qemu is kewl for taking livecd isos for a spin ;) |
| 12:15.45 | tangae | glibc6 >2.4-1 is needed by wine 0.9.25 and I don't find a way to bypass that :( |
| 12:15.58 | evilista | no wasted disks :) |
| 12:15.59 | oOGneaOo | tangae: the packagename is libc6, btw |
| 12:16.28 | basanta | oOGneaOo, is there any such convention for testing also? |
| 12:16.30 | oOGneaOo | tangae: are you sure it's etch or sid? |
| 12:16.50 | tangae | I'm using etch, and try with sid's repository |
| 12:16.51 | oOGneaOo | basanta: there will be, when it becomes the new stable. otherwise, no. |
| 12:16.59 | oOGneaOo | tangae: then you are doing it wrong. |
| 12:17.17 | oOGneaOo | tangae: NEVER use an unstable repo with a non-unstable distro install. |
| 12:17.33 | oOGneaOo | you will fuck your system up royally - especially with libc6 |
| 12:17.53 | tangae | I didn't validate that :D |
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| 12:18.06 | tangae | but it was jsut for search a better version |
| 12:18.08 | oOGneaOo | i realize that, and am relieved ;) |
| 12:18.11 | cydork | evilista: i agree |
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| 12:18.47 | diskus | well I think installing wine is usualy to install it from source or try to find not official place to get new enough debs |
| 12:18.48 | oOGneaOo | tangae: etch is still testing and soon to be frozen - if wine isn't working, then you should file a bug |
| 12:19.21 | tangae | wine is working, but I wanted to use a better version that the one which is on the repository |
| 12:19.27 | kuse | Is it possible to use a differen run level depending on what kernel the computer was booted with? |
| 12:19.37 | tangae | but it makes dependencies need which cannot be completed |
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| 12:19.56 | oOGneaOo | tangae: you'll either have to upgrade your entire system to sid, or wait for etch to become stable and use a new backport for it. |
| 12:19.58 | diskus | tangae: ofcourse it can't, unstable is not the same as testing or stable |
| 12:20.10 | tangae | ok |
| 12:20.14 | netcrash | Hello, how can I check if I have a debian installation at 64 bit ? |
| 12:20.40 | oOGneaOo | tangae: OTOH, since it's not frozen yet, you MIGHT be able to get the DD to slip a newer version of wine in there before it becomes frozen |
| 12:21.25 | oOGneaOo | tangae: once etch becomes frozen, there will be no package upgrades. whatever's in there at the time of the freeze is what will be there at stable release time - it's just a bug-fixing timeframe. there are no excepctions. |
| 12:22.06 | oOGneaOo | netcrash: uname -m |
| 12:22.15 | tangae | So sid is near to be the testing release? Maybe I'll can upgrade to sid, if it doesn't make my computer be mad |
| 12:22.29 | oOGneaOo | tangae: no, sid will always be unstable |
| 12:22.33 | tangae | ok |
| 12:22.40 | oOGneaOo | think of sid as the mother |
| 12:23.01 | oOGneaOo | every so often sid gets laid, and a new stable version is born :) |
| 12:23.20 | tangae | Is it usuable ? |
| 12:23.25 | oOGneaOo | sure |
| 12:23.29 | oOGneaOo | i'm using sid now |
| 12:23.33 | oOGneaOo | been using it for years |
| 12:23.33 | tangae | ok |
| 12:23.36 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 12:23.41 | oOGneaOo | it has issues now and then |
| 12:23.49 | tangae | I'll try to update the whole system so :) |
| 12:23.51 | oOGneaOo | so that's the risk i take |
| 12:23.59 | tangae | not a problem I love bugs ;) |
| 12:24.04 | oOGneaOo | haha |
| 12:24.10 | oOGneaOo | with chocolate? ;) |
| 12:24.12 | tangae | let's go upgrading |
| 12:24.18 | tangae | thanks for the help |
| 12:24.23 | oOGneaOo | good luck |
| 12:24.30 | cydork | tangae: apt-listbugs is important if you decide to use sid :) |
| 12:24.40 | oOGneaOo | tangae: and apt-listchanges |
| 12:24.43 | tangae | ho nice command |
| 12:24.46 | tangae | I'll look at this |
| 12:24.50 | tangae | thanks |
| 12:24.59 | cydork | oOGneaOo: na changes dont matter that much :P |
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| 12:25.46 | netcrash | oOGneaOo: thank you |
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| 12:26.35 | netcrash | oOGneaOo: it only appeared i686 no other info |
| 12:27.05 | eSa| | I'm trying to let grub boot from a raid partition. It used to but now it fails with Error: 25 Disk read error. I've run e2fsck on the partition with AFAICT no errors on it. What can I do? |
| 12:27.10 | kuse | Is it possible to use a differen run level depending on what kernel the computer was booted with? |
| 12:27.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | Humm, what was that command to print a message on all terminals and on the screen of the server ? |
| 12:27.50 | petemc | kuse: anything is possible |
| 12:28.08 | kuse | petemc: how nice, can u be more specific? :p |
| 12:28.17 | petemc | kuse: no |
| 12:28.19 | diskus | not out of box I think |
| 12:28.28 | diskus | I mean different runlevel with different kernels |
| 12:28.39 | diskus | you have to probably implement that yourself |
| 12:28.42 | petemc | theres no facility to easily do that, that im aware of |
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| 12:29.23 | diskus | kuse: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:30.15 | chjunior | guys, the mysql-server-5.0 package is failing..... it can not start and don't says the error, is it just with me? |
| 12:30.26 | chjunior | somebody knows how to solve this problem? |
| 12:30.57 | kuse | diskus: I want to run another sets of startupscripts without have to put in another dist in the computer |
| 12:31.40 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: Wall ? |
| 12:31.49 | diskus | kuse: well haven't heard about anyone doing that, so you can be first.. :P |
| 12:31.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | enouf, Thanks :) |
| 12:31.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | enouf, that was it |
| 12:31.59 | chjunior | if I execute mysqld |
| 12:32.02 | Stardust | hi, how can I install Firefox 2 in Etch? |
| 12:32.09 | netcrash | ! amd54 |
| 12:32.09 | chjunior | I have the message: mysqld: symbol lookup error: mysqld: undefined symbol: zlibCompileFlags |
| 12:32.12 | netcrash | ! amd64 |
| 12:32.12 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 12:32.14 | Ronin | Stardust: get it from mozilla and install it |
| 12:32.14 | enouf | heh .. I have a hard time recalling those too .. :-0 |
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| 12:33.15 | kuse | diskus: :p pretty cool, dont know if I have the knowledge to do it though |
| 12:33.22 | chjunior | somebody |
| 12:33.23 | chjunior | ? |
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| 12:36.14 | chjunior | ? |
| 12:37.19 | Ronin | keyboard problems chjunior ? |
| 12:39.46 | chjunior | Ronin, maybe in the future |
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| 12:39.54 | Stardust | Ronin: it (firefox2) is tar.gz and i dont know the directory to unpack to. and how to integrate it into system |
| 12:40.17 | cydork | Stardust: then wait .. |
| 12:40.24 | Ronin | Stardust: firefox iirc is no longer in etch and beyond, look into iceweasel or learn how to install it from mozilla |
| 12:41.58 | chjunior | Stardust just unpak it into /opt/ and be happy executting /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 12:41.58 | Stardust | iceweasel is only 1.5 |
| 12:42.29 | Stardust | and how to set it as default browser? |
| 12:42.38 | chjunior | kde? |
| 12:42.42 | Stardust | j |
| 12:42.45 | Stardust | yes |
| 12:42.51 | chjunior | kcontrol |
| 12:42.58 | Stardust | thanx :) |
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| 12:44.24 | cydork | huh? iceweasel reached sid? |
| 12:44.46 | Ronin | !iceweasell |
| 12:44.48 | Ronin | !iceweasel |
| 12:44.48 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 12:45.06 | cydork | Ronin: and your point is ? :P |
| 12:45.18 | gyop | Where can i find my terminal log? |
| 12:45.52 | nevyn | gyop: the current terminal you're typing in? |
| 12:46.05 | nevyn | gyop: or the kenrel/console log? |
| 12:46.07 | cydork | No it didn't.. |
| 12:46.12 | gyop | hmm |
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| 12:47.35 | gyop | nevyn: when i open beryl in terminal, screen freeze! i want to look what say its after freeze. |
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| 12:49.25 | nevyn | gyop: oh... |
| 12:50.00 | nevyn | gyop: do it from a serial console ;) if you're not crashing the kernel you should find out what's going on |
| 12:50.15 | nevyn | or over ssh which is probably more realistic |
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| 12:50.53 | blondie | serial consoles are good |
| 12:51.28 | gyop | hmm |
| 12:51.33 | chjunior | well, the error that I'm having is this: /usr/sbin/mysqld: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/mysqld: undefined symbol: zlibCompileFlags |
| 12:51.38 | gyop | you right nevyn! |
| 12:51.47 | chjunior | cydork, Ronin, do you know how can I solve it? |
| 12:52.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | gyop, type 'history' ? |
| 12:52.14 | nevyn | blondie: they're often useful when hacking on graphics code |
| 12:52.26 | gyop | Ox0F0-0FF: it gives my entry.. |
| 12:52.27 | blondie | they're useful for headless machines |
| 12:52.42 | nevyn | blondie: like suns |
| 12:52.59 | blondie | yes, or x86 machines c.c |
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| 12:53.39 | cydork | chjunior: which version of debian? |
| 12:54.17 | chjunior | cydork, unstable.... 4.0 |
| 12:54.26 | cydork | chjunior: what does bts say? |
| 12:54.49 | chjunior | cydork, nothing about the packages mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-server |
| 12:55.22 | chjunior | cydork: but correct me, the commands to look into bts is apt-lisbugs list packagename, right? |
| 12:55.30 | nevyn | blondie: x86 machines without videocards tend to get grumpy |
| 12:56.07 | cydork | !btssmite chjunior |
| 12:56.15 | cydork | chjunior: and that site too :) |
| 12:56.34 | chjunior | cydork, let me see |
| 12:56.39 | blondie | nevyn: they can be left in, just no monitor/keyboard |
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| 12:57.03 | evilista | !sid |
| 12:57.03 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 12:57.32 | blondie | nevyn: and some have bios support for serial consoles |
| 12:58.05 | tangae | !unstable |
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| 12:58.05 | dpkg | unstable is probably the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 12:58.33 | Kevin` | i'm looking for a debian mips base system (tar of root filesystem?), just enough to install more stuff over network |
| 12:58.56 | Braindead | Kevin`: debootstrap |
| 12:59.08 | chjunior | cydork, well.... nothing about my error |
| 12:59.16 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: cdebootstrap is needed for another arch I think |
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| 12:59.48 | Kevin` | ok |
| 13:00.49 | h3sp4wn | (i.e if you want to get all the mips stuff on x86) don't remember exactly why |
| 13:02.33 | cydork | chjunior: you have /usr/lib/libz.so.1 ?? |
| 13:02.38 | niktaris | hi, how good is opentype font support in debian? |
| 13:03.14 | chjunior | cydork nop... |
| 13:03.28 | cydork | chjunior: /usr/lib/libz.* ?? |
| 13:04.03 | chjunior | cydork, none libz.... in wich package is it in? |
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| 13:04.08 | cydork | chjunior: zlib1g |
| 13:04.31 | oOGneaOo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.16 | chjunior | cydork, sorry sorry... I have libz.so.1 |
| 13:05.22 | oOGneaOo | blah |
| 13:05.24 | chjunior | and libz.so.1.2.3 |
| 13:05.25 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: I have used http://people.debian.org/~tbm/bcm947xx/etch-base.tar.bz2 (on a wgt634u but its mipsel not mips) |
| 13:05.56 | oOGneaOo | does anyone else have the same problem? |
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| 13:06.26 | blondie | oOGneaOo: negative |
| 13:06.33 | oOGneaOo | blondie: roger that |
| 13:06.35 | blondie | well it's slow |
| 13:06.50 | Kevin` | h3sp4wn ya I need mips bigendian :/ |
| 13:07.03 | oOGneaOo | hrm, yeah it is |
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| 13:07.10 | cydork | chjunior: try running ldconfig |
| 13:07.16 | oOGneaOo | i'm stimply not making any connection from this other system tho |
| 13:07.19 | oOGneaOo | damn script kiddies |
| 13:07.21 | Kevin` | cdebootstrap seems to be doing something though |
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| 13:09.58 | chjunior | cydork, the error keeps.... |
| 13:10.04 | Kevin` | E: Couldn't install system due to errors! |
| 13:10.05 | Kevin` | debian:~# |
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| 13:10.10 | Kevin` | that's the only error I get :/ |
| 13:10.30 | Kevin` | cdebootstrap -a mips -f minimal etch root-mips/ http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ |
| 13:11.19 | oOGneaOo | !mirrors |
| 13:11.19 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 13:11.28 | mikel28 | i got a slip/ppp0 (nullmodem) connection between two pc's, one of them is connected to the internet (via my router/gateway), now how do i get the client on the internet? |
| 13:11.43 | Kevin` | oOGneaOo was that to me somehow? |
| 13:12.02 | oOGneaOo | Kevin`: no, it was for my own use, but anyone can use it |
| 13:12.06 | Kevin` | ah |
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| 13:12.17 | oOGneaOo | kernel.org is being a beotch |
| 13:12.26 | Kevin` | well if anyone has an idea as to what went wrong, i'd love to hear it :) |
| 13:12.46 | oOGneaOo | sorry, i don't have a mips architecture handy to help :/ |
| 13:13.21 | Kevin` | well i'll just try the FS like it is now, maybe it'll work.. |
| 13:14.25 | chjunior | some idea cydork ? =/ |
| 13:15.13 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: Usually when I have done that it fails at a certain point - then I copy it all across |
| 13:15.16 | oOGneaOo | ah, ftp.us.debian.org works beautifully |
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| 13:16.37 | chjunior | cydork, I really need to work with mysql, so I can't wait for this problem be solved.... do you know how to roll back the version? |
| 13:16.38 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: force-all libc6*deb then force-all dpkg*deb the force-all libc6*deb then finally keep running dpkg -iGREB *deb (until there are no more errors) |
| 13:16.57 | Kevin` | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 13:16.59 | Kevin` | hmm. |
| 13:17.36 | h3sp4wn | Are you running it on SGI or something embedded |
| 13:18.10 | Kevin` | embedded, ar2315 soc |
| 13:18.34 | rednas | hello. problem: sarge waits (>10min) during boot at line: "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld" how can I boot without MySQL trying to start? Thanx for help. |
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| 13:22.01 | Kevin` | VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). |
| 13:22.01 | Kevin` | Freeing unused kernel memory: 144k freed |
| 13:22.01 | Kevin` | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 13:22.01 | Kevin` | Algorithmics/MIPS FPU Emulator v1.5 |
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| 13:22.12 | Kevin` | heh oops |
| 13:22.29 | oOGneaOo | ah ha |
| 13:22.32 | oOGneaOo | apt-spy -d sarge -o /etc/apt/apt.spy.sources.list -s US |
| 13:22.58 | chjunior | oOGneaOo what is this? |
| 13:23.07 | macabre | hey, is there a way to search source packages? I can't seem to find out how. |
| 13:23.09 | Kevin` | hmm no wonder, /dev/ is empty |
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| 13:23.22 | oOGneaOo | !tell chjunior about apt-spy |
| 13:23.28 | petemc | macabre: same way as normal |
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| 13:24.03 | oOGneaOo | chjunior: it basically hooks you up with the fastest debian mirror relative to your location |
| 13:24.05 | SeanTater | rednas: try moving /etc/init.d/mysql to something else and replacing it with a file containing only #!/bin/bash |
| 13:24.17 | Kevin` | ok cdebootstrap definitely didn't work right :( |
| 13:24.20 | xjkx | when i open a specific page, it gives me option to open the .php file on gedit, why did it happen instead of showing the page? |
| 13:24.28 | macabre | petemc, hm the the packages don't show up because there isn't a binary for my arch, yet I can still get the source. |
| 13:24.31 | chjunior | oOGneaOo good!!!! |
| 13:24.37 | oOGneaOo | chjunior: oh hell yeah :) |
| 13:24.38 | Kevin` | h3sp4wn what's that you were saying? :) |
| 13:24.45 | Kevin` | iono what you mean by force-all |
| 13:25.22 | rednas | SeanTater: thanx. I am trying to get a prompt but it seems stuck. Do you know a way to do an bootup without mysql without a prompt? |
| 13:25.32 | petemc | macabre: oh right, thats sub optimal.. |
| 13:26.12 | SeanTater | rednas: so you have no terminals, at all? |
| 13:26.34 | rednas | no :( machine hangs while booting |
| 13:26.35 | SeanTater | rednas: then boot up a live cd and do the aforementioned |
| 13:26.45 | SeanTater | rednas: gtg, sorry |
| 13:26.59 | rednas | SeanTater: ok! are there Debian live cd's? |
| 13:27.01 | rednas | thax |
| 13:27.09 | rednas | thnx:) |
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| 13:30.13 | Xteven | where can I find some info on snmp ? #snmp and #snmpd don't exist |
| 13:30.20 | chjunior | cydork, do you know how to help-me? |
| 13:30.26 | xjkx | what is it needed to use the php?when clicked remotely, the user receives the php file to download |
| 13:30.32 | Xteven | #net-snmp it seems |
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| 13:33.53 | SeanTater | rednas: I think there are, but they are not very polished, or finished, AFAIK. I'd try something like knoppix or ubuntu first.. |
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| 13:35.00 | kryptoz | Hi all I got a doubt about partition table. I have a hp machine which has the recovery partition. Its a media center pc and i wanted to install linux on this but still have the option to go back if i ever have to install windows. So the HP guys are of no help. i read and found that i can actually take the backup of the partition table using the "dd" and then dd the whole recovery partition and then burn a dvd. |
| 13:35.10 | rednas | SeanTater: downloading knoppix now |
| 13:35.15 | kryptoz | have anyone did/tried this before ? am just being paranoid |
| 13:35.15 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: The force all method only works if you can chroot from somewhere else (but its very messy see http://wiki.wl500g.info/index.php/Debian%20Distribution - but it is very messy) |
| 13:35.22 | SeanTater | rednas: sounds good, enjoy! |
| 13:36.06 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: It may be simpler to install etch mips in qemu and then once its working copy it to where you want it served by nfs |
| 13:36.21 | nayyares | i want to reinstall nfs, with all dependencies? when i run "apt-get -f install nfs*" gives me error of package conflict? |
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| 13:37.34 | ayaa | am having etch with 2.6.17-2-686 kernel, i want to get an older kernel (2.6.8) on it, wich apt source should i put ? |
| 13:37.45 | SeanTater | nayyares: you really don;t want everything that starts with nfs |
| 13:37.46 | Kevin` | h3sp4wn starting with init=/bin/sh works, i'll try the force-all thing |
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| 13:38.03 | SeanTater | nayyares: you can;t have the kernel server and the user server at the same time |
| 13:38.31 | chjunior | IF I REMOVE MYSQL, WILL I LOSE MY DATABASES? |
| 13:38.39 | chjunior | sorry for the uppercase :| |
| 13:38.44 | nayyares | SeanTater, so then what is the solution |
| 13:39.05 | SeanTater | chjunior: back them up beefore you do anything anyway |
| 13:39.14 | FromTO | I am having problems setting up a static eth0 in interfaces. networking command does not configure eth0 and it does not output an error. Any ideas? |
| 13:39.17 | SeanTater | chjunior: then it won;t be a problem |
| 13:39.49 | mikel28 | stew: i got it fixed, sudo arp -s 192.168.1.100 00:11:2F:B4:A5:83 pub was enough :) |
| 13:39.54 | nayyares | SeanTater, i want to reinstall nfs all packges ? |
| 13:40.03 | ayaa | am having etch with 2.6.17-2-686 kernel, i want to get an older kernel (2.6.8) on it, wich apt source should i put ? |
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| 13:42.51 | dhuv | I need some help installing Sarge on an old box |
| 13:43.14 | ofer1 | dhuv, okay. what's the problem? |
| 13:43.23 | dhuv | I downloaded the full cd last night |
| 13:43.38 | dhuv | during the installation, it is getting stuck at installing kernel |
| 13:43.50 | dhuv | no matter if I choose linux or linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 13:44.12 | dhuv | I can go into the second console and do ps -ef, I see the mkinitrd process running |
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| 13:44.21 | dhuv | the pid constantly changes, the number increases |
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| 13:44.34 | dhuv | its been doing this for over an hour |
| 13:44.51 | dhuv | I know this box is only 400MHz but its not that slow |
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| 13:45.10 | dhuv | I cannot imagine the process taking longer than a few minutes, am I right? |
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| 13:48.56 | ofer1 | dhuv, sorry, I have no idea what could be the problem. wait for someone else to see your problem |
| 13:50.22 | dhuv | I cannot believe that I am having so many problems installing Sarge. I mean it should be foolproof right? |
| 13:50.37 | dhuv | I have installed sarge on several boxes before |
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| 13:51.21 | oOGneaOo | dhuv: could be a buggy bios or a slow mbr |
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| 13:53.26 | dhuv | oOGneaOo: I had etch installed on here before |
| 13:53.41 | oOGneaOo | dhuv: that doesn't mean anything |
| 13:53.48 | xjkx | what is it needed to use the php?when clicked remotely, the user receives the php file to download |
| 13:54.31 | dhuv | oOGneaOo: you are right, they are totally different systems, but the point is that the hardware isnt so wierd |
| 13:56.05 | ayaa | am having etch with 2.6.17-2-686 kernel, i want to get an older kernel (2.6.8) on it, wich apt source should i put ? |
| 13:57.03 | cydork | ayaa: why do you want to do that? |
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| 13:58.01 | ayaa | cydork, using bootcd, it throws errors, and analysing the problem, on the bootcd's ml, i found that it was a problem related to the 2.6.17-2-686 kernel |
| 13:59.28 | rgsteele | xjkx: apt-cache search apache | grep php |
| 13:59.42 | rgsteele | You'll find what you need there |
| 14:00.26 | cydork | ayaa: did you check bts? |
| 14:00.39 | ayaa | cydork, bts ? |
| 14:00.45 | cydork | !bts |
| 14:00.45 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 14:01.20 | cydork | !tell xjkx -about php |
| 14:01.33 | ayaa | cydork, ok gonna report the issue |
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| 14:01.49 | ayaa | cydork, need to downgrade my kernel, can you help me ? |
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| 14:02.13 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 14:02.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:02.23 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:04.05 | cydork | ayaa: downgrading the kernel is a ugly option in MHO.. |
| 14:05.25 | jugglinx | im getting an fsck error in /, i actually have 2 OS (both are debian) and i getting the same error in the both root partitions... did the HD died? |
| 14:05.49 | blondie | probably |
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| 14:05.55 | blondie | what's the error? |
| 14:05.57 | jugglinx | also im getting dcopserver errors, i dunno if is related |
| 14:06.45 | jugglinx | hmm... i dont know it says that root filesystem has error and if i want try to run fsck manually |
| 14:08.17 | jugglinx | i tried but it never ends... yesterday was a huge storm here, and there i was trying to fix the dcopserver prob, and... the energy go away... today it looks really worse :-( |
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| 14:08.58 | cydork | jugglinx: which filesystem? |
| 14:09.08 | jugglinx | ext3 |
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| 14:10.12 | jugglinx | im in a livecd, and from here i can see one of the / partition but the other seems broken... |
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| 14:12.09 | nachos | hello |
| 14:12.30 | nachos | I'm trying to use japanese utf8 documents with xterm but i keep on getting garbage instead of japanese |
| 14:13.37 | bb7 | hi i tried to switch from kerne 2.4 to 2.6 on a debian testing. apt-get isntall kernel-image-2.6-386, but now package module-init-tools is broken |
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| 14:14.37 | bb7 | http://phpfi.com/175239 |
| 14:15.04 | bb7 | please, can anyone help me? |
| 14:15.19 | bb7 | I can't remove or reinstall package module-init-tools |
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| 14:19.11 | possie | how can i see the blocksize of my filesystem? |
| 14:19.38 | ofer1 | possie, you got cfdisk ? |
| 14:19.55 | possie | ofer1, that's only for partition information right? |
| 14:20.01 | Kevin` | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 14:20.02 | Kevin` | ? |
| 14:20.16 | ofer1 | Kevin`, install gpg |
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| 14:20.26 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.26 | ofer1 | Kevin`, aptitude install gnupg |
| 14:20.30 | Kevin` | k |
| 14:20.44 | bb7 | hi i tried to switch from kerne 2.4 to 2.6 on a debian testing. apt-get isntall kernel-image-2.6-386, but now package module-init-tools is broken |
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| 14:22.14 | Kevin` | 180mhz with root on nfs is slow :) |
| 14:22.36 | incorrect | is there a tool to show squid access logs in real time, ideally id like to display it via a web browser |
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| 14:24.13 | Kevin` | ofer1 gnupg is already the newest version. |
| 14:24.20 | blondie | incorrect: tail -f /var/log/squid/blah |
| 14:24.31 | limpio | bb7: in testing install linux-image-2.6-686, kernel-image is for Sarge (stable) |
| 14:25.00 | incorrect | blondie: ideally i would like to display that via a web server |
| 14:25.12 | incorrect | so the users of the network can view it |
| 14:25.18 | blondie | incorrect: write a php/perl/etc script... or maybe there's one already written |
| 14:25.37 | incorrect | yes.. i was hoping someone might know of one |
| 14:25.48 | nachos | how can i find all the files that a certain package has installed? |
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| 14:26.15 | kakarot_ | !apt |
| 14:26.16 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 14:26.21 | _joey | just how good is Debian? |
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| 14:26.34 | kakarot_ | !sources-list |
| 14:26.37 | kakarot_ | !sources.list |
| 14:26.37 | dpkg | [sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 14:26.39 | danilom | anyone has setup an hlds with dod |
| 14:26.40 | Kevin` | what's the metapackage for common/base development tools? |
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| 14:27.01 | petemc | Kevin`: build-essential |
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| 14:27.39 | kef | why is /etc/init.d/inetd missing on a new deb 3.1 install? |
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| 14:28.25 | kef | and how do i get it? |
| 14:28.32 | bb7 | thank you limpio |
| 14:29.08 | limpio | bb7, np |
| 14:29.17 | kef | Any ? :) |
| 14:30.14 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/249996 - error installing build-essential :/ |
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| 14:32.23 | Kevin` | this is etch mips |
| 14:33.24 | azeem | Kevin`: paste the output of apt-get install gcc |
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| 14:34.18 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/250001 |
| 14:34.42 | azeem | and now gcc-4.1 :) |
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| 14:35.19 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/250002 |
| 14:35.20 | kef | why is /etc/init.d/inetd missing on a new deb 3.1 install?.. and how do i get it?... |
| 14:36.08 | azeem | Kevin`: did you run apt-get update? |
| 14:36.08 | possie | anyone know a asset manamgent tool to query all machines on a LAN vi SNMP ? |
| 14:36.12 | possie | s/vi/via |
| 14:36.14 | cydork | kef: it has /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd ?? |
| 14:36.45 | Kevin` | azeem yes, although it gave an error that I think probably doesn't matter for this purpose? i'll paste it |
| 14:37.13 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/250003 |
| 14:37.18 | kef | cydork its because plesk.. wants an initd file.. so a ln -s should do fine? |
| 14:37.23 | azeem | Kevin`: also paste the output of apt-cache policy gcc-4.1 |
| 14:37.38 | azeem | kef: init.d or inetd? |
| 14:37.59 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/250004 |
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| 14:38.09 | kef | azeem inetd |
| 14:38.18 | cydork | kef: what is plesk? |
| 14:38.27 | kef | plesk install fails with.. inetd not running... |
| 14:38.29 | kef | 8.0.1 |
| 14:38.30 | daqqal | hello there |
| 14:38.36 | daqqal | how are things this morning |
| 14:38.37 | azeem | Kevin`: is mirrors.tummy.com your own mirror/cache? |
| 14:38.39 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.54 | Kevin` | azeem no, it's from the debian mirror list |
| 14:38.56 | Bhavesh | daqqal: not very good.. not enjoying this job how are you? ;) |
| 14:39.14 | kef | its seems that openbsd-inet daemon isnt started by default.. is that right? |
| 14:39.32 | azeem | Kevin`: what's your etch main line in sources.list exactly? |
| 14:39.36 | daqqal | when i scp files to my debian box, it takes away a chunk of memory, i already compiled 2.6.18 with grsecurity |
| 14:39.58 | daqqal | Bhavesh: i'm doing fine, boss not in so it's all good |
| 14:40.00 | kef | azeem its seems that openbsd-inet daemon isnt started by default.. is that right? |
| 14:40.24 | azeem | kef: could be, maybe check whether you can configure it in /etc/default/*inetd* |
| 14:40.37 | Kevin` | azeem http://pastebin.ca/250005 |
| 14:41.08 | kef | azeem no cant se inetd in default |
| 14:41.09 | netcrash | Any good ftp or http for updates for 64 bits ? |
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| 14:42.18 | _joey | what will be the next stable release called? |
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| 14:42.25 | _joey | and when it will be released? |
| 14:42.35 | Kevin` | is etch released yet? |
| 14:42.42 | netcrash | found one |
| 14:42.44 | netcrash | .es |
| 14:42.56 | azeem | Kevin`: use a different mirror |
| 14:42.57 | _joey | Kevin` etch - it will be called? |
| 14:42.59 | azeem | that one looks outdated |
| 14:43.11 | azeem | _joey: read the latest release updae |
| 14:43.12 | Kevin` | azeem ok.. |
| 14:43.12 | azeem | update |
| 14:43.24 | _joey | azeem where? |
| 14:43.26 | azeem | !when will etch release |
| 14:43.27 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 14:43.50 | Flimqy | I'm testing MTAs for performance... I've tested qmail and postfix... postfix wins hands down in that. What other MTAs should I consider for maximum performance? |
| 14:44.03 | _joey | not that I need etch. I am only curious |
| 14:44.04 | azeem | Flimqy: exim4 and sendmail |
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| 14:44.20 | Kevin` | _joey if you want it get it.. |
| 14:44.25 | Flimqy | exim4 wasn't even able to complete the test... hehe |
| 14:44.27 | _joey | I remember it took more than 3 years to release Sarge |
| 14:44.38 | _joey | stable Sarge |
| 14:44.43 | azeem | _joey: current estimate is "in December 2006" |
| 14:44.46 | Flimqy | I guess I could try sendmail, but I'm pretty sure based on my past experience that postfix will be better than sendmail. |
| 14:44.55 | azeem | so use postfix |
| 14:45.01 | macabre | hm so there's no aptitude build-dep type thing? |
| 14:45.01 | Flimqy | I probably will. |
| 14:45.17 | Flimqy | I wonder if smail is featurefull enough for our purposes |
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| 14:46.00 | nachos | argh |
| 14:46.06 | nachos | utf8 + debian = :S |
| 14:46.20 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.35 | azeem | Flimqy: smail hasn't been maintained in years I thought |
| 14:46.42 | rgsteele | macabre: Are you trying to backport something? |
| 14:46.43 | stew | macabre: peterS has one on p12n.org |
| 14:47.01 | rgsteele | Eh, maybe I was way off base. Listen to stew. |
| 14:47.16 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: Sent 10,000 messages as quickly as possible from A to B to C. (C just discarded the messages) |
| 14:47.20 | macabre | rgsteele, no.. just trying to build and keep things neat. |
| 14:47.31 | nachos | how can i re-run a packages configure script? |
| 14:47.37 | macabre | stew, i'll have a look, thanks. |
| 14:47.40 | rgsteele | nachos: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 14:47.40 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: Took 10m 49s to deliver and dequeue all 10k messages. qmail took 56 minutes to complete the same test. |
| 14:47.40 | stew | macabre: http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep |
| 14:47.45 | valdyn | nachos: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 14:47.47 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: nice.. and you say postfix worked pretty well? i already like postifx it's good to know it worked :) |
| 14:47.56 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: WOW!! |
| 14:48.02 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: And exim4 errored out about half way thru. |
| 14:48.07 | jayeola | say guys. any one compiled the jed editor from source? i'm getting some odd errors when i use it and google shows nadda |
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| 14:48.31 | stew | jayeola: why are you compiling it from source? |
| 14:48.32 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: System load was about 22.xx w/ both qmail and postfix. 31.xx with exim4. |
| 14:48.38 | _joey | I've seen Chinese Noodle restaurant usimg Debian's logo today |
| 14:48.39 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: that's not so good for exim, |
| 14:48.40 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: doing 20 concurrent SMTP sends |
| 14:48.46 | _joey | :) |
| 14:48.59 | Flimqy | To exim4's credit, the error was only a temporary failure (421) |
| 14:48.59 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: very nice.. seems like you have a lead with postfix for now.. and thanks for sharing that infor |
| 14:49.00 | bokey | hi all =) |
| 14:49.02 | jayeola | stew: um, cos i wanna test some features on a test box. |
| 14:49.03 | Bhavesh | information |
| 14:49.05 | Flimqy | But still, the other two were able to keep up just fine. |
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| 14:49.37 | Flimqy | Maybe I should test a bunch of MTAs and put my results online somewhere for the benefit of the community. |
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| 14:49.50 | stew | jayeola: and they require you to compile from upstream source instead of using/recompiling the debian packages? |
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| 14:49.54 | giupy-euei | hi all |
| 14:50.17 | nachos | argh |
| 14:50.27 | nachos | anyone know how to setup debian for utf8? |
| 14:50.37 | jayeola | stew: ah, right! thanks for telling me. never knew that |
| 14:50.39 | giupy | is there a way to search in a text file a number "n" in this mode x<n<y ? |
| 14:51.01 | Flimqy | giupy: A single digit? |
| 14:51.13 | giupy | Flimqy: ? |
| 14:51.17 | Flimqy | giupy: If you need just a single digit, that could be done with a regex. |
| 14:51.28 | stew | jayeola: never knew what? if youd rather recompile the debian sources, /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:51.44 | stew | !ssbp is <reply> see simple sid backport |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:51.59 | giupy | Flimzy: can i use it with any text editor, like vim for example ? |
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| 14:55.25 | incorrect | is it possible to use pxe to install different OS's over a network? |
| 14:55.44 | incorrect | ie windows or linux |
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| 14:56.28 | bokey | !webmin |
| 14:56.28 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 14:56.43 | bokey | what's an alternative to webmin then ? |
| 14:57.24 | Ronin | bokey: editing the conf files |
| 14:57.39 | bokey | Ronin# that's obvious |
| 14:57.47 | Aeternus\ | Hi, i have a problem with package authentication. I have a etch snapshot made with jigdo... I have the key, but apt-get tells that packages are not authentified. |
| 14:57.50 | bokey | Ronin# something more centralized |
| 14:57.57 | incorrect | what if you need to give the box to a muppet to look after cause you have other things to do? |
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| 14:58.11 | Ronin | incorrect: train the person |
| 14:58.28 | incorrect | Ronin: they should learn by themselves |
| 14:58.30 | Ronin | or they quickly do the on old on the job sink or swin training :) |
| 14:58.35 | incorrect | like a windows user |
| 14:58.54 | bokey | incorrect# ok. you have solution ? |
| 14:59.06 | incorrect | bokey: personally i edit by hand |
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| 14:59.22 | incorrect | i have been looking for an alternative to webmin |
| 14:59.26 | bokey | incorrect# then stfu. |
| 14:59.28 | Kevin` | personally I use webmin :) |
| 14:59.29 | incorrect | plesk might do |
| 14:59.31 | Aeternus\ | What I should to do? I tried with apt-key and keyring... but nothing :-| |
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| 14:59.45 | Ronin | we need more attitude bokey |
| 14:59.49 | Kevin` | although I know how to, and sometimes do, do it by hand.. |
| 15:00.09 | bokey | Ronin# I am just looking for alternative to webmin. that's all. =) |
| 15:00.19 | incorrect | bokey: webmin :) |
| 15:00.27 | Ronin | bokey: well webmin, i think plesk was mentioned, manually editing |
| 15:00.37 | incorrect | i hate plesk |
| 15:00.45 | incorrect | ok its not too bad |
| 15:00.50 | incorrect | i suppose if you like that sort of thing |
| 15:00.54 | bokey | Ronin# since it runs on client<=>server arch + it's not maintained anymore, I need something that's supported and secure. |
| 15:01.03 | incorrect | bokey: your solution is to use webmin |
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| 15:01.21 | bokey | incorrect# webmin is not maintaind anymore. |
| 15:01.21 | cydork | dont people use ssh anymore? |
| 15:01.23 | cydork | :P |
| 15:01.30 | incorrect | bokey: don't worry about the elitist nerds who say you would learn how to operate a unix system |
| 15:01.41 | incorrect | bokey: you mean the packages aren't? or its not being developed? |
| 15:01.49 | Bhavesh | cydork: what's ssh? |
| 15:02.02 | Flimqy | bokey: I'm not an elitist... just a realist. Learning how to admin a box is the best way to admin a box. |
| 15:02.03 | bokey | incorrect# the webmin code itself. |
| 15:02.07 | incorrect | i use a stick |
| 15:02.08 | Kevin` | Bhavesh secure shell, telnet++ |
| 15:02.09 | bokey | s/core/src |
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| 15:02.11 | incorrect | bokey: oh well |
| 15:02.19 | bokey | !webmin |
| 15:02.19 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 15:02.31 | Ronin | incorrect: elitest nerd= learn how to run the box? |
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| 15:02.52 | Kevin` | of course telnet++=telnet, doesn't it :) |
| 15:02.56 | incorrect | Ronin: yes screw having to read the manual i want a magic wizard to do it all for me |
| 15:03.08 | incorrect | i call my magic wizard microsoft bob |
| 15:03.17 | bokey | Flimqy# can you be more specific ? |
| 15:03.19 | Ronin | incorrect: ahh heh |
| 15:03.28 | Ronin | im a little slower then normal today |
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| 15:03.42 | Flimqy | bokey: Use SSH |
| 15:03.47 | incorrect | Ronin: sorry im being slightly obscure |
| 15:03.48 | cydork | incorrect: i can see dpkg factoid from shell. Good enough for me :P |
| 15:04.01 | Flimqy | bokey: Admin your box "properly" instead of using lame dumbed-down and security-holed apps like webmin. |
| 15:04.11 | Ronin | Flimqy: we suggested that a couple of times actually |
| 15:04.14 | bokey | Flimqy# how is ssh related to webmin ? please explain. |
| 15:04.23 | RvGaTe | Flimqy, amen |
| 15:04.23 | Flimqy | bokey: It's not. That's the beauty of it. |
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| 15:04.29 | Flimqy | bokey: ssh rocks. webmin sucks goat balls. |
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| 15:04.53 | bokey | Flimqy# your argument are vague like 2 minute shag. |
| 15:05.05 | Flimqy | bokey: I haven't made any arguments yet. |
| 15:05.15 | incorrect | linux must suck, it like dos, how useless a command prompt, no one would ever want to use that |
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| 15:05.19 | Flimqy | bokey: Using webmin is like trying to rebuild your engine wearing mittens |
| 15:05.24 | Ronin | Flimqy: i think all your doing now is wearing out your keyboard |
| 15:05.40 | incorrect | someone should write a gui to make it better |
| 15:05.48 | Flimqy | bokey: not only does it make the job more difficult, but it also damages things. |
| 15:05.48 | Ronin | bokey: just use webmin, you can always get it from thier website |
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| 15:06.01 | Kevin` | incorrect are you bieng serious? |
| 15:06.02 | bokey | Flimqy# don't get me wrong but ssh is something completely *unrelated* to webmin. my OQ was for an alternative to webmin. |
| 15:06.04 | incorrect | how can 'they' expect people to use a computer with a prompt |
| 15:06.20 | incorrect | Kevin`: yes very, |
| 15:06.21 | Ronin | Kevin`: sarcasm :) |
| 15:06.24 | cydork | Kevin`: sarcasm :P |
| 15:06.24 | Flimqy | bokey: yes. ssh *is* unrelated to webmin. That's why it's so cool. The best altnernative to webmin is to use ssh. |
| 15:06.25 | incorrect | lol |
| 15:06.40 | bokey | Ronin# I've already used webmin. it's ok but I am a bit nervous about it's not being maintained anymore. |
| 15:06.55 | petemc | its removed from debian |
| 15:07.01 | Ronin | bokey: it is being maintained, just dropped by debian for good reasons mind you but theyre still making/supporting it |
| 15:07.05 | bokey | petemc# yes. it is. |
| 15:07.15 | incorrect | bokey: basically you have two options, buy plesk, use webmin and hope, or learn vi |
| 15:07.18 | bokey | !webmin | Ronin |
| 15:07.19 | Flimqy | bokey: Asking "What's better than using webmin to administrate a box?" is like asking "What's better than using a fork to paint a house?" The answer is "Anything" |
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| 15:07.32 | rgsteele | It's not being maintained for good reason. |
| 15:07.35 | Flimqy | bokey: Just because a paint brush isn't related to a fork doesn't mean it's the wrong answer. |
| 15:07.35 | RvGaTe | Flimqy, amen again |
| 15:07.48 | Ronin | Flimqy: nice one :) |
| 15:07.49 | Kevin` | don't allow remote connections to debian if you do use it |
| 15:07.55 | Kevin` | forward it over ssh if you need to |
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| 15:08.03 | incorrect | personally i am hoping that soon my computer will know what i want it to do before i do! once that happens i can be truly happy with such an invention |
| 15:08.03 | Kevin` | er |
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| 15:08.06 | Kevin` | to webmin |
| 15:08.08 | Kevin` | not debian |
| 15:08.08 | incorrect | just like my toast |
| 15:08.09 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 15:08.12 | bokey | Flimqy# so you would paint your house with a fork =) nice. |
| 15:08.34 | Flimqy | I love analogies :) |
| 15:08.37 | rgsteele | I personally use a spork |
| 15:08.42 | Ronin | bokey: why are you so set against the very good suggestions? ssh isn't as pretty but much more secure |
| 15:08.57 | Kevin` | how do you use sysrq on a serial console? |
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| 15:09.52 | RvGaTe | bokey, i sure hope you get the point: dont use webmin or any other gui that does the same job, and use ssh to get into the console, and edit the config files manually... tkes some time to get used to it, but it is the way you should maintain your system |
| 15:10.10 | incorrect | bokey: just install webmin... remove it when you find something better |
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| 15:10.19 | bokey | Ronin# I am not against ssh. =) |
| 15:10.30 | RvGaTe | ^ hurray, problem solved |
| 15:10.36 | RvGaTe | next :) |
| 15:10.53 | Kevin` | sysrq :) |
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| 15:11.13 | bokey | RvGaTe# that's not even close. I don't run a network. I can't see that ssh does the job for my local network now. does it ? |
| 15:11.14 | incorrect | RvGaTe: he would learn plenty by just having to install webmin from source ;) |
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| 15:11.54 | Ronin | bokey: another quesion,what do you need webmin for? as in configuring what? |
| 15:11.55 | Kevin` | installing webmin from source is extremely easy |
| 15:12.03 | Kevin` | it's written in perl, and has an install script |
| 15:12.20 | RvGaTe | bokey, actually, you see more with ssh then with a gui... if you know the right commands, and if you dont, there's google |
| 15:12.24 | bokey | incorrect# configuring my shorewall and apache. that's it. |
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| 15:12.46 | incorrect | bokey: right vi is your friend |
| 15:12.46 | Kevin` | apache is probably better configured manually |
| 15:12.52 | Ronin | bokey: all you need is ssh and an editor, yes as first its easier with webmin but you definitely learn more manually editing the files |
| 15:13.03 | bokey | incorrect# no. emacs |
| 15:13.03 | Kevin` | webmin has a nice firewall config tool though |
| 15:13.15 | RvGaTe | !fireholl |
| 15:13.16 | RvGaTe | !firehol |
| 15:13.18 | Kevin` | but it's faster to do it manually if you know iptables |
| 15:13.19 | incorrect | bokey: that uses way too much memory, use cat and sed |
| 15:13.25 | incorrect | you can be hard core too |
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| 15:13.36 | bokey | Kevin`# yes. that's using modules to control the rules of shorewall. |
| 15:13.40 | RvGaTe | Kevin`, you could use Firehol to setup your iptables |
| 15:13.50 | RvGaTe | bokey, ^^ applies to you aswell |
| 15:13.55 | bokey | incorrect# no. I would use awk. |
| 15:13.56 | Kevin` | RvGaTe I use nano for that |
| 15:14.15 | RvGaTe | Kevin`, if you know how to config iptables |
| 15:14.37 | bokey | RvGaTe# yeah. I'll look into it. |
| 15:14.43 | bokey | RvGaTe# thanks. =) |
| 15:14.44 | RvGaTe | Kevin`, wich i could never understand, so i use forehol to do that for me, easyer syntax |
| 15:15.01 | Kevin` | webmin will do a good job of teaching you about iptables, imo, since it's editor essentially follows the tables/rules |
| 15:15.17 | cydork | RvGaTe: what about shorewall? |
| 15:15.30 | RvGaTe | cydork, never tried that one |
| 15:15.41 | Flimqy | Kevin`: What are you smoking? |
| 15:15.50 | bokey | RvGaTe# my iptables is already managed nicely =) by shorewall. |
| 15:16.03 | Flimqy | My iptables are already managed niceley from the command line! |
| 15:16.08 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 15:16.10 | Kevin` | Flimqy it edits a file in iptables-save format, and allows you to do just about anything you can do by hand |
| 15:16.15 | Kevin` | and even edit it by hand |
| 15:16.27 | bokey | Flimqy# there's no such thing as command line in Gnu/Linux. |
| 15:16.32 | Roey | lol |
| 15:16.45 | Flimqy | bokey: Well then I guess I'm not using Gnu/Linux. |
| 15:17.10 | bokey | Flimqy# so you got netfilter iptables for windows ? muahhha.. |
| 15:17.13 | h3sp4wn | If it is for a dedicated firewall why not use debian/kfreebsd (pf is has a much nicer syntax) |
| 15:17.32 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, sounds like Kde, why would a server need Kde? :P |
| 15:17.35 | bokey | Flimqy# use inbuilt ms windows firewall. |
| 15:17.38 | Flimqy | bokey: You tell me. You're the one who says there's no command line for Gnu/Linux. |
| 15:17.42 | blondie | iptables/netfilter works just fine for me. |
| 15:17.50 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: Nothing at all do with kde |
| 15:18.13 | h3sp4wn | debian with a freebsd kernel (so you can use pf) |
| 15:18.34 | Flimqy | h3sp4wn: That works now? |
| 15:18.35 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, ah, almost got me there with the (k)freebsd :P |
| 15:18.35 | bokey | Flimqy# All i said is that there's no command line in Gnu/Linux. It's called prompt/shell =) |
| 15:18.41 | enouf | h3sp4wn: ahh . that's what the k is for .. hehe |
| 15:18.48 | Flimqy | bokey: A shell uses a command line. |
| 15:19.01 | Flimqy | bokey: Your IRC client uses a command line. |
| 15:19.28 | Flimqy | And I happen to configure iptables using a command line in Linux. |
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| 15:19.37 | bokey | Flimqy# wrong. shell is an executable binary file which has nothing to do with cli. |
| 15:19.44 | Flimqy | bokey: Not wrong. |
| 15:19.57 | bokey | Flimqy# ok. it's upto you. |
| 15:20.00 | Flimqy | bokey: A shell may or may not be an executable binary. And it may or may not provide a CLI feature. |
| 15:20.03 | RvGaTe | Flimqy, bokey , yes no yes no yes no :P |
| 15:20.07 | enouf | someone go get webster's definition of CLI |
| 15:20.19 | Flimqy | bokey: Regardless, the shell I use *does* provide a command line interface, and I use it to configure iptables. |
| 15:20.24 | Flimqy | bokey: Are you done making yourself sound stupid now? |
| 15:20.30 | petemc | bokey: shell and cli could, within context, be used interchangeably |
| 15:21.33 | RvGaTe | ^lol |
| 15:21.37 | bokey | petemc# Flimqy used the word *command line* instead of command line *interface* which btw isn't the same thing. |
| 15:21.39 | RvGaTe | Abandonando ... |
| 15:21.52 | Flimqy | bokey: 1) "command line" is not a word... |
| 15:21.53 | blondie | bokey: ORLy |
| 15:21.56 | Ronin | bokey: tomato tomato |
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| 15:22.02 | RvGaTe | hahaha |
| 15:22.09 | cydork | Ronin: :) |
| 15:22.21 | bokey | Flimqy# stick to the point. don't deviate. |
| 15:22.33 | RvGaTe | fight fight fight fight ! |
| 15:22.45 | blondie | bokey: stop failing at being a pedant |
| 15:22.50 | Flimqy | bokey: 2) I use the "command line" to configure iptables. It is implied that that command line is entered into a "command line interface" |
| 15:22.57 | Flimqy | bokey: Even so, what I said is not incorrect. |
| 15:23.12 | incorrect | no im incorrect |
| 15:23.14 | Flimqy | bokey: The "command line" is the element that is input into the "command line interface" |
| 15:23.23 | bokey | RvGaTe# Command line isn't the same thing as command line interface period |
| 15:23.36 | RvGaTe | bokey, thanks for letting ME know... :S |
| 15:23.37 | blondie | bokey: yes it is, now be silent |
| 15:23.44 | bokey | RvGaTe# =) |
| 15:23.44 | incorrect | lol |
| 15:23.51 | bokey | blondie# I stop. |
| 15:23.54 | RvGaTe | you guys done now? some people are hassitating to ask their question |
| 15:23.54 | incorrect | ok, who has been smoking crack? |
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| 15:24.01 | Flimqy | bokey: I could have said "I use the command line interface to configure iptables" but then you'd be yelling at me for not saying "I use a command line on that command line interface" |
| 15:24.01 | bokey | incorrect# i i |
| 15:24.18 | bokey | Flimqy# or better use cli. kiss |
| 15:24.35 | incorrect | haven't you got anything better to do ? |
| 15:24.36 | Flimqy | bokey: How about just not be a dork any more? |
| 15:24.37 | blondie | debian doesn't have a CLI, bokey |
| 15:24.42 | rgsteele | So, when you guys are done debating semantics... :) |
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| 15:25.30 | RvGaTe | Flimqy, bokey, blondie: lets all be option number 3 at this page http://www.bartleby.com/61/71/F0327100.html :P |
| 15:25.30 | bokey | so my original query being what's an alternative to webmin. dpkg doesn't seem helpful on that matter. |
| 15:25.46 | incorrect | bokey: plesk |
| 15:25.47 | incorrect | ffs |
| 15:25.48 | rgsteele | bokey: A real sysadmin uses SSH. Period. |
| 15:26.00 | incorrect | end of story |
| 15:26.11 | Flimqy | bokey: Use ssh to connect to your box, install your favorite editor (vi, emacs, joe, nano, whatever) and edit the config files manually. |
| 15:26.14 | Ronin | so once again bokey why does it have to be a gui? why not learn ssh editing seeing as webmin has been dropped |
| 15:26.16 | bokey | rgsteele# yes. I am not a real sys admin. |
| 15:26.31 | rgsteele | bokey: Then what are you doing administering a box? |
| 15:26.32 | incorrect | don't make him learn, just laugh at him when someone exploits his system |
| 15:26.43 | bokey | as I said, i need it for my local firewall and apache. |
| 15:26.48 | Ronin | bokey: i too started out as you apparenlty are using webmin, i too learned quickly to dump it and go manual |
| 15:26.50 | RvGaTe | incorrect, we cant do that |
| 15:26.55 | Flimqy | bokey: If you're not a real sysadmin, perhaps you should consider Ubuntu |
| 15:27.03 | incorrect | RvGaTe: yes you can, its really easy |
| 15:27.12 | rgsteele | bokey: You want to administer Apache from a web interface? /shudder/ |
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| 15:27.20 | bokey | Flimqy# I do have Ubuntu on my laptop. |
| 15:27.28 | incorrect | this is getting really circular |
| 15:27.39 | RvGaTe | incorrect, i mean,we cant say that, its just wrong... and it doesn't help him... we will get newer questions very soon... probably webmin related to |
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| 15:28.10 | Ronin | you can lead em to water but you just cant make them drink |
| 15:28.13 | incorrect | RvGaTe: you forget the power of RTFM |
| 15:28.17 | cydork | !qotd199 |
| 15:28.17 | dpkg | qotd199 is, like, Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 15:28.19 | rgsteele | bokey: Listen to what incorrect said. Either use SSH, or find some other, less secure way of doing it and stop asking in here. We've given you the same advice more than thrice, nothing short of force-feeding it to you. |
| 15:28.22 | bokey | RvGaTe# dpkg doesn't recommend any other package. rather only points out that webmin is obsolete. =( |
| 15:28.38 | Flimqy | Okay, who wants to tackle my question, to change off the topic of webmin? |
| 15:28.53 | incorrect | Flimqy: go for it |
| 15:28.53 | Ronin | bokey: then take the hint |
| 15:28.55 | RvGaTe | bokey, thats why we provide the answer, ssh, plesk, or ubuntu |
| 15:28.57 | rgsteele | Flimqy: What was it again? I lost it in the Webmin stuff |
| 15:29.00 | Ronin | Flimqy: what was itagain? |
| 15:29.01 | bokey | rgsteele# yeah i understand. It's for local usage. I don't run a network.. I've told this 100 times now. |
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| 15:29.05 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 15:29.08 | RvGaTe | Hi ! |
| 15:29.11 | enouf | says enouf already! |
| 15:29.14 | Ronin | bokey: then manually install it |
| 15:29.17 | Flimqy | I need to set up a test bed for MTAs. I have 3 boxes, one to generate email, one to relay it, and one to discard it |
| 15:29.19 | rgsteele | bokey: Just open up a freakin' terminal then man |
| 15:29.35 | Ronin | bokey: www.webmin.org iirc, dl it and install |
| 15:29.37 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I want to use telnetd on debian. But I cannot login on the "remote" host. |
| 15:29.37 | Flimqy | So Box A spews mail at Box B. Box B processes it, forwards it to C. C discards it. |
| 15:29.44 | bokey | RvGaTe# I am looking at plesk atm. |
| 15:29.48 | Ronin | Emmanuel_Chanel: why cant you? |
| 15:29.54 | Flimqy | What I need is some ideas on how best to generate the email on Box A in a way that will simulate the real world, and be repeatable. |
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| 15:29.56 | rgsteele | Emmanuel_Chanel: Don't use telnetd. It's evil |
| 15:30.05 | Ronin | Emmanuel_Chanel: try ssh instead? |
| 15:30.10 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Mine are on intranet. |
| 15:30.15 | incorrect | Flimqy: mailx |
| 15:30.18 | rgsteele | Emmanuel_Chanel: Don't use telnetd. It's evil |
| 15:30.39 | incorrect | echo "blah blah" | mailx -s "blah blah" moo@moo.com |
| 15:30.49 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I reinstalled the newest version. And I cannot use it. |
| 15:30.51 | bokey | Ronin# I have already got webmin, then uninstalled it after reading the email message that dpkg listed for webmin |
| 15:30.55 | Ronin | Emmanuel_Chanel: why cant you telnet in? what happens when you try? |
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| 15:31.04 | Flimqy | incorrect: Okay... that's a very partial answer... heh |
| 15:31.10 | alehap | hiall |
| 15:31.10 | Ronin | bokey: then either use it or dont |
| 15:31.22 | alehap | i using modem softv90,how to detect it? |
| 15:31.26 | bokey | Ronin# yeah, i've dropped it. |
| 15:31.31 | Ronin | RvGaTe: not any better there some days |
| 15:31.32 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I don't really know. |
| 15:31.37 | incorrect | Flimqy: wrap it up in a shell script and away you go, you can simulate load, size of message etc |
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| 15:31.44 | incorrect | cat file | mailx |
| 15:31.51 | rgsteele | Flimqy: Depends on what you're trying to do,. |
| 15:31.52 | Flimqy | alehap: You need to know what chipset it uses. |
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| 15:32.00 | Flimqy | incorrect: Sure I understand that concept. |
| 15:32.01 | rgsteele | Flimqy: If you're trying to test spam filters, or load capacity, etc |
| 15:32.10 | Flimqy | rgsteele: Right now, just load capacity. |
| 15:32.13 | incorrect | ok i missed the problem then |
| 15:32.33 | rgsteele | Flimqy: I'm pretty sure there are some benchmark programs out there, depending on your MTA |
| 15:33.12 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I added a line: ALL: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 15:33.15 | Emmanuel_Chanel | on hosts.allow |
| 15:33.29 | Emmanuel_Chanel | But restarting inetd, I cannot login. |
| 15:33.53 | bokey | Ronin, incorrect , Flimqy , rgsteele , RvGaTe , petemc# thanks to you all. =) |
| 15:34.22 | rgsteele | Flimqy: But, approaching it with a very minimalistic approach, you could use a bash script and use the bash-builtin "seq" to generate messages to your heart's content and pipe them to a local mail program |
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| 15:34.32 | alehap | Flimqy, how to know what chipset, now i'm in windows |
| 15:34.51 | rgsteele | I think I used approach too many times in the same sentence there :-P |
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| 15:35.04 | Flimqy | alehap: Go to the device manager, find the modem, and look at properties. hopefully it will tell you. If not, you may have to look at the modem physically, or look at 'lspci' in linux |
| 15:35.29 | rgsteele | Emmanuel_Chanel: Any reason you're using inetd instead of running it as a standalone daemon? |
| 15:35.39 | Flimqy | rgsteele: Well, I'm using smtp-source right now, to generate 10,000 3k messages as fast as possible. The problem is, that's not a very real-world test. |
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| 15:35.48 | enouf | alehap: Device Mangler |
| 15:35.49 | rgsteele | Flimqy: Define "real-world" |
| 15:36.05 | Flimqy | rgsteele: It would be nice to have varying sizes of messages and different delays between them |
| 15:36.13 | Emmanuel_Chanel | No. |
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| 15:36.26 | rgsteele | Well, if you want to test load, no better way than to slam it...to hell with delays :) |
| 15:36.34 | Flimqy | hehe |
| 15:36.42 | rgsteele | As far as varying message sizes, you could generate, say, 10 test messages, and have smtp-source cycle through them. |
| 15:36.45 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: what type of machine is it? |
| 15:37.15 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: hardware? Celeron 1.7Ghz, 512mb RAM, IIRC |
| 15:37.30 | rgsteele | Flimqy: Though, smtp-source might have a better method for doing so ...I'm not familiar with it myself |
| 15:37.52 | Flimqy | rgsteele: It creates mail a lot faster than a for loop in bash w/ mail |
| 15:38.15 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: should be plenty of power to handle high volume, i use PII-400 with 192MB memory w/ postfix/mailscanner/spamassasin/clamav as my edge server but our email load is light 700-1000 msg/day |
| 15:38.18 | Kkrauss | anyone use azurues? |
| 15:38.26 | enouf | no |
| 15:38.31 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: well this is just the test environment. |
| 15:38.34 | enouf | !anyone |
| 15:38.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:38.38 | rgsteele | Bhavesh: Yeah, but if the MTA is incompetent, it won't matter how fast the box is :) |
| 15:38.42 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: For production, we have dozens of machines of various size and strength |
| 15:38.55 | krazykit | azureus is lame. better alternatives include rtorrent and Transmission, imo. |
| 15:38.57 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: The one we run ourselves is a cluster of 8 servers, ranging from P4's to dual Xeons |
| 15:38.59 | Kkrauss | oh my lord |
| 15:39.29 | Bhavesh | rgsteele: what does MTA depend on? hdd speed? memory? or internet connection speed? |
| 15:39.31 | Kkrauss | people are so anal and annoying these days |
| 15:39.49 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: it mostly depends on the internal design of the MTA |
| 15:39.53 | Ronin | Kkrauss: ya thats one way to get us to help you |
| 15:39.59 | Bhavesh | ohh |
| 15:39.59 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 15:40.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:40.03 | enouf | and having fun at your expense :-P |
| 15:40.07 | Kkrauss | im good thanks anyway :) |
| 15:40.13 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: you already proved that out of two you tested postfix works better that's what i use :) |
| 15:40.16 | enouf | valdyn: that's the one I wanted |
| 15:40.20 | Ronin | Kkrauss: debateable |
| 15:40.25 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: hehe |
| 15:40.34 | Bhavesh | and for my small setup it's more than enough |
| 15:40.35 | Kkrauss | I dont really need help just wanted to see the anal responses I would get and I was right haha |
| 15:40.48 | Ronin | ahh trolling, no problem |
| 15:40.56 | Kkrauss | first got the !anyone response, classic, then the, Azureus sucks blah blah blah, thats great too haha |
| 15:41.00 | enouf | !troll Kkrauss |
| 15:41.10 | Flimqy | Are there any tools in Debian to show disk I/O stats? |
| 15:41.13 | valdyn | !polls |
| 15:41.13 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:41.14 | Kkrauss | no just being anal back since some one said they were having fun at my expense, hypocrites lol |
| 15:41.18 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 15:41.19 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:41.20 | enouf | !ne1 |
| 15:41.20 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 15:42.04 | krazykit | now the dpkg spamming is getting annoying... what's the question, anyway, kkrauss? |
| 15:42.15 | Ronin | krazykit: they dont have one |
| 15:42.29 | enouf | Flimqy: yes .. maybe bonnie++ ? |
| 15:42.40 | Flimqy | er |
| 15:42.44 | Flimqy | I phrased that incorrectly |
| 15:42.53 | Flimqy | I want to look at the current status of the disk I/O |
| 15:42.56 | Kkrauss | nothing important enough to ask after being berated for bringing it up, but thanks krazykit for actually trying to help :) |
| 15:43.02 | Flimqy | that may not be quite right, either. |
| 15:43.08 | Flimqy | I want to know how heavily the disk is being used at any given time |
| 15:43.15 | Flimqy | specifically, while running some MTA benchmarks |
| 15:43.23 | Ronin | Kkrauss: if you'd just ask your real question folks would have helped but whatever floats your boat |
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| 15:44.07 | Flimqy | Can anyone tell me if they could answer my question if I would ask it? </troll> |
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| 15:45.01 | RvGaTe | Flimqy, depends on when you ask your question |
| 15:45.03 | enouf | Kkrauss: you asked a dumbass question and were responeded to accordingly |
| 15:45.04 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: may be </troll> |
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| 15:45.33 | Kkrauss | if you say so |
| 15:45.56 | enouf | Kkrauss: the "substance" of the question (that you actully may have) is in no way related to that fact |
| 15:46.01 | Kkrauss | some people here really need to get lives and get laid I swear haha |
| 15:46.19 | enouf | !knoppixsmite Kkrauss |
| 15:46.29 | Ronin | heh nice one |
| 15:46.35 | ofer1 | <trolling> VIM or Emacs? GNOME or KDE? M$ Windows or Linux? Debian or something else? vsftpd(rocks!!!!111) or proftpd? Perl or Python? </trolling> <---- Now that's what I call "TROLLING!" |
| 15:46.44 | Kkrauss | enouf you might want to stop trying to "act" intelligent it doesnt suit you |
| 15:47.00 | Flimqy | where did my /ignore button go? |
| 15:47.06 | enouf | goes to OFTC to join the sane ppl --> |
| 15:47.08 | Ronin | Kkrauss: do you have a real question? or do you just want to complain? |
| 15:47.08 | Kkrauss | My question was basically to see if AZ was commonly used with the average debian user that is all |
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| 15:47.24 | krazykit | ah, well you could have just asked that |
| 15:47.26 | Flimqy | hrm |
| 15:47.27 | Kkrauss | Funny enouf I was thinking the SAME thing |
| 15:47.32 | tapas | hi, is there a graphical frontend for debfoster? |
| 15:47.39 | krazykit | but that /is/ a good question |
| 15:47.48 | Ronin | so still no real quesion |
| 15:47.50 | valdyn | its a poll, that is OFF TOPIC |
| 15:47.53 | Flimqy | I'm afraid of wearing out the !poll button |
| 15:47.56 | enouf | hehe .. someone using azereus actually has the nerve to talk about intelligence .. hehe .. there's a thought |
| 15:47.59 | krazykit | and this isn't off topic? |
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| 15:48.23 | Flimqy | krazykit: that's not a good question. it's a poll. |
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| 15:48.40 | Flimqy | !tell krazykit about poll |
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| 15:48.44 | earthian | hello |
| 15:48.50 | enouf | hence the ensuing popcon factoid .. done! |
| 15:49.01 | Kkrauss | I promise you, my intelligence almost definitely surpasses yours, but I claim no such thing on my knowledge of debian. I am quite fond of azureus for my wi ndows box but have many more choices for debian so I asked about it |
| 15:49.18 | earthian | i have a question: doesn't higher version means more stability and more bugfixes? (regarding gnome) |
| 15:49.20 | Flimqy | Alrighty... so are there any tools to report on current disk I/O utilization? |
| 15:49.21 | Kkrauss | and no thats not a poll krazykit, you assume too much |
| 15:49.24 | Flimqy | sort of a 'top' for disk I/O? hehe |
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| 15:49.31 | valdyn | earthian: nope, only more features |
| 15:49.38 | Flimqy | earthian: Not necissarily. |
| 15:49.43 | enouf | heh .. a windows user .. you're not making your case for intelligence too well Kkrauss |
| 15:49.44 | karsten | WTF is AZ? |
| 15:49.47 | Flimqy | earthian: In *theory* it should.. but bugs can always work their way in. |
| 15:49.55 | earthian | how shold i understand versions? |
| 15:49.58 | earthian | should* |
| 15:50.03 | Kkrauss | Because I use windows I am not intelligent? lol |
| 15:50.03 | Hoxzer | eiku täähän skulaa |
| 15:50.11 | Hoxzer | väärää player vaan oli |
| 15:50.12 | karsten | Kkrauss: ^^ |
| 15:50.15 | Bhavesh | earthian: versions of what? |
| 15:50.17 | enouf | Flimqy: there's vmstat .. and some other things I can't recall atm.. |
| 15:50.18 | Flimqy | earthian: Bigger version numbers usually mean newer. |
| 15:50.19 | karsten | Hoxzer: English. |
| 15:50.21 | earthian | i.e. gnome 2.16.1 vs 2.16.0 or 2.14.x |
| 15:50.25 | Kkrauss | this is amusing |
| 15:50.27 | Hoxzer | lol, not again wrong channel |
| 15:50.36 | cydork | Flimqy: sysstat? |
| 15:50.42 | RvGaTe | lol @ Hoxzer |
| 15:50.43 | earthian | hm |
| 15:50.48 | valdyn | earthian: 2.16 is a feature enhancement over 2.14, the third number ( 2.16.X ) is bugfixes |
| 15:50.49 | earthian | will go ask in #nome |
| 15:50.53 | earthian | #gnome |
| 15:50.56 | Kkrauss | careful rvgate lol is da devil around here lol |
| 15:50.59 | earthian | ok thanks |
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| 15:51.16 | RvGaTe | Kkrauss, sorry lo.... hahaha :P |
| 15:51.25 | enouf | karsten: why Arizona ofcourse .. hehe |
| 15:51.35 | Kkrauss | actually I dont care because im not that uptight and been using lol for years. |
| 15:51.57 | karsten | enouf: OK |
| 15:52.00 | stew | Kkrauss: do you have any debian realated questions or did you just come here to troll? |
| 15:52.02 | Ronin | ahh yes now i remember you Kkrauss |
| 15:52.03 | karsten | enouf: Wait, no, nevermind.... |
| 15:52.13 | Kkrauss | I am just surprised you didng get an !lol |
| 15:52.23 | stew | Kkrauss: please just keep it on-topic |
| 15:52.24 | rgsteele | Bhavesh: Sorry, had to go afk for a lengthy discussion about the camper-outers at Best Buy |
| 15:52.24 | Kkrauss | ahh I did stew but got sidetracked sorry lol |
| 15:52.24 | cydork | Ronin: he is trolling from 3-4 days .. |
| 15:52.30 | liri | hey cyd |
| 15:52.35 | cydork | liri: hiya |
| 15:52.36 | Flimqy | enouf: that may work. thanks. |
| 15:52.38 | Ronin | cydork: yep |
| 15:52.41 | Kkrauss | You're right but again I love how you only jump in at the tail end of things lol |
| 15:52.41 | Flimqy | cydork: what package is that in? |
| 15:52.51 | rgsteele | I'm thinking about taking my paintball gun down to the local store and watching them scatter like rats as I unload containers of paint :) |
| 15:52.53 | Bhavesh | rgsteele: no problem :) i forgot what i asked :)or said even |
| 15:52.54 | Flimqy | oh, sysstat |
| 15:52.54 | Flimqy | doh |
| 15:52.57 | liri | Flimqy: you can check with dpkg -L |
| 15:53.09 | Flimqy | liri: only if it's already installed |
| 15:53.09 | rgsteele | Not really, but the thought of it is amusing |
| 15:53.13 | Bhavesh | rgsteele: i have a story about someone working at Bestbuy, how smart they really are :) |
| 15:53.18 | rgsteele | Heh |
| 15:53.30 | stew | Kkrauss: i reveiwed /lastlog before jumping in, you seemed to imply that you only came here to troll, "I dont really need help just wanted to see the anal responses I would get..." |
| 15:53.35 | liri | Flimqy: so I think with -S you can check everything. |
| 15:53.37 | cydork | Flimqy: that's the package name. in that there iostat which you can use.. |
| 15:53.45 | Kkrauss | omg talk about not reading into it |
| 15:53.47 | Flimqy | liri: Only with installed packages :) |
| 15:53.48 | earthian | how could i upgrade gnome from 2.14 (sid/etch) to 2.16 (experimental) ? |
| 15:53.49 | oOGneaOo | stew: i noticed that too |
| 15:53.51 | Kkrauss | I said that because as usual I got dickhead responses |
| 15:53.55 | Kkrauss | but dont worrythis is lame im outta here |
| 15:53.57 | karsten | Kkrauss: Enough already. |
| 15:54.00 | Flimqy | liri: You can view descriptions of any packages, but can only inspect the contents of installed pacakges. |
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| 15:54.11 | h3sp4wn | earthian: Not all of gnome 2.16 is in experimental yet I don't think |
| 15:54.14 | liri | Flimqy: ahh true :) |
| 15:54.15 | karsten | !beer stew |
| 15:54.21 | earthian | ah i see. |
| 15:54.22 | earthian | ok |
| 15:54.32 | liri | Flimqy: why are you arguing with me? I told you it's only with installed packages :) |
| 15:54.39 | Flimqy | liri: :P |
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| 15:54.51 | Flimqy | liri: I needed to know which package to install. But I found the answer. hehe |
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| 15:55.06 | liri | cydork: I was having fun earlier with acct, it's a process accounting tool, a real must have for sys admins. |
| 15:55.17 | liri | Flimqy: ahh great |
| 15:55.18 | karsten | enouf: apparently azures == AZ, scrolling through a ton of backlog. |
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| 15:55.30 | karsten | liri: ... if you've got space for the logfiles. |
| 15:56.11 | liri | karsten: yeah but you can rotate every now and then. |
| 15:56.22 | earthian | what is the channel for repository maintainers? |
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| 15:56.39 | stew | earthian: why? |
| 15:56.42 | liri | earthian: there's also a website for that... I can't remember it by heart. |
| 15:57.04 | earthian | i have a question: when is going gnome 2.16 appear in sid/etch ? |
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| 15:57.20 | earthian | it is now officially released |
| 15:57.23 | cydork | liri: hmm |
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| 15:57.59 | xai | when doing an upgrade from sarge to etch, do i need to first to a "apt-get upgrade" , or can i just do a dist-upgrade? |
| 15:58.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I found my mistake. And the trouble got solved. |
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| 15:58.37 | enouf | karsten: thought you were joking .. |
| 15:58.54 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 15:58.55 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 16:00.05 | xai | dpkg, udev? |
| 16:00.06 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 16:00.29 | perwork | hi |
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| 16:01.41 | enouf | karsten: though I wouldn't expect you, nor anyone else, to know what AZ or any other State abbrev's equal for software is :-) |
| 16:02.29 | xai | I don't see any udev packages in the dist-upgrade list for etch... |
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| 16:03.06 | liri | umm, is linuxvirtualserver.org basically all about load balancing? |
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| 16:03.31 | perwork | Got the problem in a Debian etch 4.0, after installing of KDE(3.5.5) , I noticed that in KDE Control center(kcontrol), buttons on the left disappeared, I did several things already,like deinstalling kde,then I tried to execute comand update-menus, but nothing happened, I also visited bugs.kde.org,but didn't find anything there,can anybody help me? |
| 16:03.39 | stew | liri: and failover. also see ultramonkey.org (which is run by a debian-kernel team member) |
| 16:03.40 | simmerz | what variable tells me the locale that is on the server? |
| 16:03.57 | xai | doesn't etch use udev? |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | try #debian-kde |
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| 16:04.14 | abrotman | xai: what kernel are you running ? |
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| 16:04.36 | stew | xai: yes. its not manditory, but it is used by default if you use debian compiled kernels or gnome |
| 16:04.38 | xai | abrotman: custom 2.6.16.27 |
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| 16:04.43 | liri | stew: so it doesn't have anything to do with virtualization in the sense of xen/vmware, right? |
| 16:04.48 | karsten | enouf: :-) |
| 16:04.49 | stew | liri: right |
| 16:04.49 | RvGaTe | im going home, cya all tom.... o/ |
| 16:04.53 | liri | stew: ahh ok |
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| 16:05.06 | xai | stew: good, so it won't try to force udev on a non-udev ready system.. |
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| 16:05.21 | stew | xai: it will |
| 16:05.36 | stew | xai: (depending on what pacakges you try to install) |
| 16:05.54 | liri | stew: I remember other open source projects that provide similar solution to vrrp, is there anything special with ultramonkey/linuxvirtualserver? |
| 16:06.01 | xai | stew: should I install udev, or just do the upgrade first? |
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| 16:07.05 | liri | stew: oh yeah now I remember, there's CARP which is basically the same I believe. Do you know it? |
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| 16:08.22 | derinsu | Hey |
| 16:09.05 | abrotman | stew: put it back! |
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| 16:10.11 | xai | abrotman: does udev require any special kernel options? |
| 16:10.39 | abrotman | xai: your custom kernel might not need udev .. if you're a gnome user .. it will pull udev magically |
| 16:10.44 | abrotman | maybe even kde now |
| 16:11.13 | xai | abrotman: i use icewm.. I have gnome apps running though. |
| 16:11.33 | abrotman | xai: if you use a debian packaged kernel . it will pull udev also |
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| 16:11.47 | abrotman | xai: if it makse you feel better .. you can install it manually :) |
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| 16:12.29 | badcfe | debian "etch" is stable in practice now? |
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| 16:13.26 | xai | abrotman: ok, I see SYSFS is on in our kernel, somehow by default. |
| 16:13.33 | jmmp | I need help with a touchpad with debian etch |
| 16:13.48 | jmmp | anyone can help? |
| 16:14.39 | jmmp | so? |
| 16:14.44 | Maakuth | just ask, if someone knows, he'll answer |
| 16:14.51 | jmmp | ok |
| 16:15.05 | jmmp | when i acces gsynaptics i get this |
| 16:15.50 | jmmp | SHMConfig needs to be set to truen in xorg.conf |
| 16:16.04 | badcfe | is it possible to install debian "etch" from just 1 iso and inet? cause i have just one cd available and must install "etch" on another machine.. |
| 16:16.19 | jmmp | but there is not that variable |
| 16:16.27 | jmmp | in the file |
| 16:16.37 | xai | abrotman and stew: thanks.. |
| 16:16.49 | jmmp | and i didnt have that problem with other versions of debian |
| 16:17.06 | cydork | badcfe: yes . |
| 16:17.27 | jmmp | maybe becouse i give support to toshiba in the kernel compilation |
| 16:17.38 | jmmp | i dont know |
| 16:17.40 | jmmp | so |
| 16:17.50 | jmmp | anyone can help me? |
| 16:17.56 | badcfe | cydork: so it want force me to insert some cd 2 during initial install? |
| 16:18.51 | possie | anyone using a good network mapping utility? |
| 16:18.56 | Ronin | badcfe: depends on what you pick to install |
| 16:18.59 | jmmp | so? |
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| 16:19.17 | jmmp | nobody |
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| 16:19.25 | cydork | badcfe: dont select anything in the tasksel. and then setup up the sources.list and then run tasksel again. |
| 16:19.28 | badcfe | Ronin: where do i find the iso if the first "etch" installation cd? |
| 16:19.52 | jmmp | SHMConfig needs to be set to truen in xorg.conf |
| 16:20.19 | intruder_ | hi, im using mutt to send mails from anywhere, and im having a problem with french accents contained in my emails, how do i change the encoding for the console ? |
| 16:20.46 | jmmp | SHMConfig needs to be set to truen in xorg.conf |
| 16:20.58 | intruder_ | ohhh.. all my locales are set to POSIX that might be it |
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| 16:21.30 | xjkx | how do i list softwares that are conecting to the web?netstat -na shows some but they are oftenly in /tmp, i mean, they are not showing xchat and such |
| 16:21.38 | jmmp | SHMConfig needs to be set to truen in xorg.conf |
| 16:21.55 | jmmp | how do i fix that? |
| 16:22.07 | jmmp | i just paste the variable? |
| 16:22.12 | badcfe | etch is not on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ so i will do sarge and the dist-upgrade to etch..... |
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| 16:22.14 | cydork | jmmp: add "SHMConfig" "true" in that section? |
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| 16:22.35 | jmmp | wich section? |
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| 16:23.24 | PupenoR | Is it possible to change the IRQs that Linux assign to each device ? I mean, those on /proc/interrupts |
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| 16:24.00 | jmmp | i gonna try put it in the synaptics touchpad section |
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| 16:24.24 | krazykit | jmmp: ah, that's what you're doing? that'd be the place to put it |
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| 16:24.55 | badcfe | anyone tried the "netinst CD image" for etch RC1 release? |
| 16:25.03 | Karamon | Hello, on my RedHat box, "ls" reports are color coded for files/directories. Is there a way to make this happen in debian as well? |
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| 16:25.31 | markybob | i cant believe kernel.org is actually down |
| 16:25.42 | jmmp | no |
| 16:25.47 | jmmp | it didnt work |
| 16:25.58 | SpeedyG | hey, if I wanna reinstall grub from a live-cd to be able to boot linux again after a windows renistall, are there things I should be carefull with ? |
| 16:26.14 | badcfe | i actually have a sarge install cd, but once it has started the installation menues and done kbd layout selection, it sais it cant mount the cd installation media. so i wander if this might possibly work better with "etch" |
| 16:26.28 | jmmp | i knew it couldnt be so easy |
| 16:26.40 | krazykit | jmmp: Option "SHMConfig" "1" |
| 16:26.44 | jmmp | 1 |
| 16:26.45 | krazykit | then restart your x server |
| 16:26.47 | jmmp | ok |
| 16:26.53 | jmmp | i put true |
| 16:26.58 | jmmp | let me try that |
| 16:27.01 | itchi | jmmp: Did you restart x after modification? |
| 16:27.07 | jmmp | nop |
| 16:27.09 | jmmp | oops |
| 16:27.22 | jmmp | how i restart it |
| 16:27.30 | jmmp | reboot? |
| 16:27.42 | cydork | jmmp: no restart the X |
| 16:27.43 | itchi | jmmp: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 16:27.57 | itchi | jmmp: or ctrl + alt + backspace |
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| 16:28.03 | jmmp | so is 1 or true? |
| 16:28.14 | bokey | itchi# hi =) |
| 16:28.16 | itchi | jmmp: 2 also |
| 16:28.18 | krazykit | i used 1 and it worked |
| 16:28.22 | jmmp | ok |
| 16:28.31 | itchi | jmmp: Whatever not == 0 |
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| 16:29.27 | badcfe | would it be a chance that by using "etch" installation cd instead of "sarge" installation cd, my problem with mounting the installation cd disappears???? |
| 16:29.46 | PupenoR | I have a Linux box that is putting some critical and in-heavy-use boards all on the same interrupts and the latency is hurting the system, how can I separate them ? |
| 16:29.51 | badcfe | or anyone has a hint about this mounting the installation medium? |
| 16:30.17 | cydork | badcfe: is it a sata disk? |
| 16:30.32 | badcfe | yes. the hd is sata at least. |
| 16:30.47 | itchi | badcfe: Is it an decent computer? |
| 16:31.06 | badcfe | maybe the dvd is too. but hey it managed to boot from it. so its a dvd sata driver missing from the install cd? |
| 16:31.10 | itchi | Arg, so slow :-p |
| 16:31.16 | badcfe | the computer is decent. |
| 16:31.25 | badcfe | its very very ugly 4U machine |
| 16:31.28 | cydork | !etch sata |
| 16:31.28 | dpkg | If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
| 16:31.30 | badcfe | just got it. |
| 16:31.32 | cydork | badcfe: ^^ |
| 16:31.51 | itchi | badcfe: It's just an matter of an boot param |
| 16:32.10 | badcfe | dpkg: thank you |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | sure thing, badcfe |
| 16:32.12 | phill | just installed mysql 5.0 on etch. The mysql docs says my basedir is probably /usr/local or /usr/local/mysql. But under debian it is /usr. Should I be concerned? |
| 16:32.14 | SpeedyG | hey, I wanna reinstall grub on my system (windows install removed it) the hdd is a sata-disk (sda) how can I install it ? |
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| 16:32.23 | itchi | hehe |
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| 16:33.49 | DanBrwn | how do you create a launcher for an app in sarge, i can click the file in the dir and it works but asks if i want to edit or execute. need launcher for desktop |
| 16:33.52 | itchi | phill: That's more distro related |
| 16:34.13 | plee | phill, no worry, most programs use /usr/local asdefault dir, as it's the right one to use if you install it yourself. Debian packagers change that to /usr because as a package it should be installed to /usr to hav e a clean and good system :) |
| 16:34.27 | RetroJ` | hi, where can I find out about work on a debian package for the newly gpl'd sun java? |
| 16:34.31 | dpm | does anyone know how can I find out the version of a library from the command prompt? |
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| 16:34.46 | itchi | DanBrwn: You probably need to know about 'ln', see 'man ln' |
| 16:34.54 | jmmp | hi |
| 16:35.00 | jmmp | again |
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| 16:35.11 | phill | thks. are you talking LSB compliance? |
| 16:35.14 | itchi | dpm: Try out dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 16:35.24 | jmmp | the config option on gdynaptics did work |
| 16:35.29 | dpm | itchi: thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:35.43 | jmmp | but i think that wasnt the prob |
| 16:35.50 | plee | phill, me? |
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| 16:36.09 | phill | sorry, responding to itchi |
| 16:36.24 | itchi | phill: Are you compiling mysql from source? |
| 16:36.33 | jmmp | that wasnt the problem becas the touchpad still dont respon well |
| 16:36.49 | phill | no just used synaptic |
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| 16:36.55 | jmmp | the configuration in gsynaptics dont affect the touchpad |
| 16:36.59 | itchi | jmmp: You want to adjust speed, that crap tapping and so? |
| 16:37.08 | jmmp | yeah |
| 16:37.22 | itchi | jmmp: That tapping is so so so (no more comments)?? |
| 16:37.29 | DanBrwn | itchi: i dont think the symlink will do what I want since the original file asks me if i want to edit or run the app. Shouldn't a launcher just run the app. I have downloaded and extracted firefox and i cant find a launcher |
| 16:37.59 | itchi | DanBrwn: Crazy guy, apt-get install foo and foo is installed! |
| 16:38.39 | DanBrwn | itchi: cant do that with sarge since its not part of the package, at least apt-cache search doesn't seem to find firefox |
| 16:38.47 | jmmp | the synaptics doesnt help |
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| 16:38.52 | itchi | DanBrwn: Oeg |
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| 16:38.57 | itchi | DanBrwn: Look good ;-) |
| 16:39.02 | plee | DanBrwn, iceweasel :) |
| 16:39.03 | itchi | jmmp: Wait |
| 16:39.07 | jmmp | oks |
| 16:39.29 | DanBrwn | itchi: oops, thanks |
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| 16:40.04 | itchi | DanBrwn: :-p |
| 16:40.06 | dhuv | I am having a very difficult time installing sarge on this old box I want to use for my htpc. I had etch installed on it but one of the updates broke ability to record so I decided that Debian stable is really the only option |
| 16:40.21 | dhuv | unfortunately its not just installing, it keeps hanging while trying to install the kernel |
| 16:40.24 | itchi | jmmp: Hope's this will help you a bit http://pastebin.ca/250095 |
| 16:40.27 | dhuv | it cannot create an initrd imge |
| 16:40.37 | jmmp | ok ill give it a try |
| 16:40.42 | Ronin | DanBrwn: mozilla-firefox in sarge |
| 16:40.47 | dhuv | is there ANY good way for me to install Etch and downgrade to Sarge? |
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| 16:40.56 | badcfe | cydork, itchi, Ronin: thats it. i launch ash just after installer startup, and type "df". the ata drives are not there... |
| 16:40.57 | Ronin | dhuv: no |
| 16:41.02 | ogamiitto | i am having a problem mounting a nfs share from fstab, i've get this error message: rpc.mountd: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. If i mount via mount -a i get the shares mountd |
| 16:41.06 | itchi | jmmp: Tweak it to your need, should already work fine, but everyone have his taste ;-) |
| 16:41.12 | Ronin | !downgrade |
| 16:41.12 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 16:41.13 | DanBrwn | Ronin: yeah, temporary brain shutdown, thanks all |
| 16:41.25 | ktwilight | i've installed lighttpd, and needs mod_cgi, but apparently, there isn't a mod_cgi module on the lighttpd package? does anyone know anything 'bout this? |
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| 16:41.57 | dhuv | Ronin: how do I get the stablity of sarge then? |
| 16:42.11 | dhuv | I would love to install it but its just not happening |
| 16:42.13 | itchi | ktwilight: Whoooaaa, that's long time ago ;-) |
| 16:42.19 | Kkrauss | . |
| 16:42.27 | Ronin | dhuv: you run sarge of course and backports if you need something newer |
| 16:42.40 | Ronin | dhuv: why is it not just happening? |
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| 16:42.54 | Kkrauss | Ok just wanted to say something, been in #slackware for awhile and that # is ten times better than this one, that is all. and oh LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 16:42.54 | xai | If an upgrade gets stuck on a section, can I recover gracefully? its trying to stop a service that won't die.. |
| 16:42.59 | badcfe | cydork, itchi, Ronin: tried "linux libata.atapi_enabled=1" same thing |
| 16:43.12 | Ronin | Kkrauss: then run slackware |
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| 16:43.48 | Kkrauss | I decided to because it will give me a general understanding of linux that will work in any distro but I was more so referring to the way people behave in the # lol |
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| 16:44.13 | itchi | badcfe: Is it not 'install libata.atapi_enab=1' ?? |
| 16:44.20 | Ronin | was wondering when you'd do that stew :) |
| 16:44.29 | itchi | badcfe: Sorry |
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| 16:44.38 | itchi | badcfe: 'install libata.atapi_enable=1' ?? |
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| 16:45.14 | straterra | Wow..alot of peeps in here |
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| 16:45.26 | straterra | 2 ops for every 700 people...not bad |
| 16:45.34 | Ronin | straterra: oh theres more then that |
| 16:45.41 | itchi | straterra: We are good boys :-p |
| 16:45.43 | ktwilight | my 3rd webserver itchi ;) |
| 16:45.58 | ktwilight | currently, it's already running on apache, but i need lighttpd so i can have the site running on a p2 machine |
| 16:46.04 | itchi | ktwilight: I have look for that cgi thing, but also not find somethings about it |
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| 16:46.17 | ktwilight | 'xactly, me too |
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| 16:46.35 | itchi | ktwilight: Everythings fine? Was long time ago ;-) |
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| 16:47.12 | ktwilight | goed hoor :) |
| 16:47.18 | badcfe | itchi: yes, but my sarge install cd sais theres no image "install" |
| 16:47.31 | itchi | ktwilight: Good, like it need to go ;-) |
| 16:48.05 | itchi | badcfe: hhhmm, i was talking for the Etch installer, i dunno if the Sarge support and know about that |
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| 16:48.18 | dhuv | Ronin: the past 30 times that I have tried, with different options/isos its had a problem exactly at the same place, installing the kernel (2.4 or 2.6), sometimes I see in Console 3 that its asking to hit enter (which the installer will NEVER do), sometimes it fails to create the intitrd image |
| 16:48.29 | itchi | badcfe: If you have recent stuff you probably need Etch; Sarge probably not reconise your stuff |
| 16:48.39 | badcfe | itchi: i see. ill go get the "etch netinstall" RC1 iso |
| 16:48.48 | itchi | badcfe: wait |
| 16:48.52 | xjkx | how do i list softwares that are conecting to the web?netstat -na shows some but they are oftenly in /tmp, i mean, they are not showing xchat and such |
| 16:48.59 | Ronin | dhuv: sata drives by any chance? |
| 16:49.09 | itchi | badcfe: Or the daily build maybe?? Depend of how 'new' the stuff is |
| 16:49.10 | dhuv | Ronin: no but software raid |
| 16:49.16 | dhuv | actually yes sata drives |
| 16:49.18 | dhuv | these are |
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| 16:49.29 | dhuv | etch installed fine on it though |
| 16:49.36 | dhuv | is this a bug with sarge? |
| 16:49.51 | badcfe | cydork, itchi, Ronin: theres no raid. its just a sata disc and a sata dvd |
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| 16:50.06 | itchi | dhuv: Heh, the new installer support many more, that will not say that the older is many more bugy |
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| 16:50.33 | Ronin | dhuv: not so much a bug, more satas too new, normally iirc the 2.6 kernel was working |
| 16:50.49 | jmmp | the move is faster now |
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| 16:50.57 | dhuv | I have installed sarge with 2.6 on a single sata drive |
| 16:51.10 | jmmp | but th tapping still doesnt work |
| 16:51.15 | dhuv | but this computer has 3 sata using software raid |
| 16:51.19 | jmmp | thanks anyway |
| 16:51.23 | itchi | jmmp: To desactivate it? |
| 16:51.37 | badcfe | dhuv: and that worked using etch RC1 (netinstall?) |
| 16:51.42 | jmmp | the tapping |
| 16:51.44 | dhuv | the /boot is raid1 and / is raid5, currently I am trying with /boot on just 1 drive, no raid |
| 16:51.45 | raf256 | I had a hard driver as slave (hdb) I installed GRUB there. When I changed that drivbe to be master (hda) then GRUB fails to load with some errors. how to fix it? |
| 16:51.51 | jmmp | dont work |
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| 16:51.58 | Ronin | dhuv: which installer are you using for sarge? |
| 16:51.59 | itchi | jmmp: To be honnest, some time when i restart x, the tapping works while i have desactivated it, need to checkout what's happend |
| 16:52.02 | cydork | badcfe: that boot param is for etch install not sarge install |
| 16:52.13 | dhuv | badcfe: yes |
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| 16:52.22 | badcfe | dhuv: thanks |
| 16:52.24 | dhuv | Ronin: ncurses based |
| 16:52.31 | itchi | jmmp: The config i gave you is right, probably an little bug with the x server or somethings?? |
| 16:52.45 | jmmp | ok thanks |
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| 16:53.03 | itchi | Some experienced with touchpad that working while it not need? Some time after restart the x server? |
| 16:53.18 | itchi | Maybe i gona 'Usenet' it |
| 16:53.44 | itchi | It's not frequent, i think it does 1/4 |
| 16:53.46 | Ronin | dhuv: which one? r3? r4? |
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| 16:54.12 | dhuv | Ronin: I can see it waiting for r3 |
| 16:54.17 | dhuv | sorry |
| 16:54.18 | Karamon | Hello, on my RedHat box, "ls" reports are color coded for files/directories. Is there a way to make this happen in debian as well? |
| 16:54.24 | dhuv | I can see it waiting for me to hit return |
| 16:54.26 | dhuv | :) |
| 16:54.33 | itchi | Karamon: Sure |
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| 16:54.46 | earthian | is it possible to make gnome menu transparent like the gnome panel is? |
| 16:54.48 | Karamon | Is it a bash script or a program? |
| 16:54.57 | earthian | maybe some hack would do? |
| 16:55.15 | dhuv | Ronin: the prompt comes up because it is installing the same kernel that is currently installed |
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| 16:55.15 | itchi | Karamon: See the .bashrc |
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| 16:55.21 | Karamon | itchi: Yes |
| 16:55.23 | dhuv | is there no way to simulate the Return? |
| 16:55.32 | PupenoR | Is there some way not to have two boards in the same IRQ (other than moving the cards around, which won't help here) ? |
| 16:55.49 | itchi | Karamon: Probably the use that you have created during the install have the things right, look to that user, maybe copy his config file of it |
| 16:56.07 | itchi | Karamon: s/the\ use/the\ user/ |
| 16:56.08 | Karamon | itchi: ahh, the color coding is commented out for some reason, thanks |
| 16:56.12 | itchi | Karamon: Sorry for the mess |
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| 16:56.27 | itchi | Karamon: Yup; tweak it :-) |
| 16:56.43 | itchi | Karamon: Maybe you want to see the /etc/skell to put it widely |
| 16:57.05 | Karamon | itchi: Will the changes not take effect until I shell in again? |
| 16:57.05 | RyanTMulligan | I'm having a pretty confusing problem with debian sarge (kernel: 2.6.8-3-k7). When I try to apt-get install build-essential, it gives me an unmet dependency error, but when I do apt-get check I do not have and dependency errors. It says it is dependent on g++, so I do apt-get install g++ and it says... g++: Depends: g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) but it is not going to be installed... I tried googling unmet dependencies without much luck... |
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| 16:57.44 | itchi | Karamon: You need to log out and login again |
| 16:57.45 | niles | dmesg | grep ttyS reports nothing. how do i find the device file corespoding to my 56k modem? |
| 16:57.48 | niles | i need to set up PPP |
| 16:57.55 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: post your /etc/apt/sources.list into a pastebin ... |
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| 16:58.04 | RyanTMulligan | sure thing. |
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| 16:58.10 | ayaa | wich package to install to get "mount -t cramfs ..." working ? |
| 16:58.16 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: Are your sources.list right? |
| 16:58.24 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: No milkshake?? |
| 16:58.38 | RyanTMulligan | itchi: yes... I think milkshake?? |
| 16:58.42 | RyanTMulligan | what's milkshake? |
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| 16:59.17 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0:http://pastie.caboo.se/23084 |
| 16:59.21 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: Ice gold milk with banana for example; realy good, probably you mixed Stable release with Testing release?? |
| 16:59.31 | RyanTMulligan | itchi: I did... |
| 16:59.38 | cydork | RyanTMulligan: you mixed it with testing :) |
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| 16:59.45 | RyanTMulligan | itchi: I was trying to install the latest version of ruby |
| 16:59.54 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: Arg, okay, format c: and install again |
| 16:59.54 | RyanTMulligan | itchi: and I crapped something up... :( |
| 17:00.02 | azeem | itchi: eh? |
| 17:00.12 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: Why do you make milkshakes?? |
| 17:00.16 | cydork | itchi: c:?? |
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| 17:00.27 | RyanTMulligan | itchi: I don't think I can do that, I'm not in a position to reinstall the OS |
| 17:00.32 | itchi | azeem: He mixed the releases and have some troubles about depencies |
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| 17:00.36 | azeem | itchi: so? |
| 17:00.41 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: remove stable and do a dist-upgrade. close our eyes and pray during the update. |
| 17:00.46 | azeem | itchi: that doesn't mean one has to immediately reinstall |
| 17:00.50 | itchi | cydork: Yeah, Win style ;-) |
| 17:00.54 | niles | how do i find a device file in /dev for a particular piece of hard ware in my PC ? |
| 17:01.06 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: is there a good chance my OS will be hosed? |
| 17:01.09 | itchi | azeem: It's his gcc that is messed, |
| 17:01.15 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: 10% |
| 17:01.21 | itchi | ow g++ |
| 17:01.23 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: that's not too bad. |
| 17:01.34 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: So will I have to let it install the new kernel? |
| 17:02.14 | itchi | azeem: I dunno to be honnest. That's what poeple told me to do if i mix a day my release. I never mix an release like it is absolutely not good |
| 17:02.15 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: distupgrade will decide that. I think it will install a > 2.6.8 kernel. |
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| 17:02.48 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin: okay... thanks for the help... |
| 17:02.58 | azeem | itchi: that's what you need to do if you mix releases and want to go *back* |
| 17:03.10 | azeem | there's always the way forward, i.e. upgrading to etch in this case |
| 17:03.10 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: Maybe try to change it again to the Stable release and cross the fingers |
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| 17:03.21 | azeem | itchi: uh |
| 17:03.24 | itchi | azeem: He want to go back?? |
| 17:03.35 | azeem | itchi: no, but your advise was implying that |
| 17:03.51 | RyanTMulligan | azeem: should I try to upgrade to etch? |
| 17:03.57 | itchi | azeem: I think he not wanted Etch, maybe i'm wrong; have not been followed and bit disturbed now ;-) |
| 17:03.58 | pumpkin0 | itchi: that will kill something badly. His compiler is already etch-style ... |
| 17:04.09 | azeem | itchi: well, you jumped the gun |
| 17:04.26 | itchi | pumpkin0: Yeah, that's why i recommended the format c: (win style :-)) |
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| 17:04.35 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: if your current situtation is intolerable (i.e. you cannot install/upgrade ghints anymore) |
| 17:04.37 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: what should I do about stable/non-US package repos? |
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| 17:04.44 | azeem | itchi: which was bad advise |
| 17:04.58 | RyanTMulligan | azeem: ghints? |
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| 17:05.05 | azeem | about what? |
| 17:05.12 | itchi | azeem: p; maybe |
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| 17:05.22 | xai | should I kill X11 when doing dist-upgrade? |
| 17:05.27 | azeem | xai: no need |
| 17:05.31 | Karamon | itchi: Using default color coding, when a object has a green background with blue text, what does this mean? |
| 17:05.32 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: change them to etch-repos. |
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| 17:05.47 | azeem | xai: if you dist-upgrade to a different version of Debian, restarting X afterwards might be appropriate |
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| 17:06.13 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: I should just look for a clean sources.list for etch. |
| 17:06.13 | pumpkin0 | xai: nope, the dist-upgrade will kill or restart X11 on it´s own. But do not run the update under X... |
| 17:06.29 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: yes, that would be best. |
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| 17:06.59 | azeem | pumpkin0: I don't think dist-upgrade will restart X11 |
| 17:07.09 | azeem | at least, I never saw that happen to me |
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| 17:07.51 | Anarka | never seen that happen |
| 17:07.51 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: how is http://pastie.caboo.se/23090 |
| 17:07.53 | itchi | Karamon: I not understand |
| 17:07.56 | pumpkin0 | azeem: it does try to stop/reload xdm and that will kill X11 (it asks first). I don´t know about gdm... |
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| 17:08.01 | xai | pumpkin0: i already had to abort once because it could not stop wdm.. i'm running "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" now |
| 17:08.16 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: that's missing a main etch repo |
| 17:08.26 | azeem | it's just security and debian-multimedia |
| 17:08.56 | itchi | azeem: He can not go back to Sarge, right? |
| 17:08.56 | pumpkin0 | xai: change to a console (ctrl-alt-F1) and run the update there. That way you can stop/restart X11 w/o killing the update. |
| 17:09.02 | CharminTheMoose | would an 800mhz box be considered a slow box? |
| 17:09.03 | azeem | itchi: right |
| 17:09.15 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: always depends on the purpose |
| 17:09.18 | RyanTMulligan | azeem: yea... so where can I find a good sources.list? |
| 17:09.21 | itchi | azeem: okay, so i was not so far near the way ;-) |
| 17:09.32 | azeem | itchi: uhm, you told him to reinstall |
| 17:09.35 | Anarka | CharminTheMoose considering what im running thats a super computer |
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| 17:09.43 | azeem | without researching the problem a bit |
| 17:09.44 | Tux | i have installed the base system of debian after that installed kde restarted the pc, but kde wont start up |
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| 17:10.09 | pumpkin0 | Tux: does the X-server work ? |
| 17:10.21 | Tux | wait |
| 17:10.26 | itchi | azeem: I had understand that he wanted back his realease, i had not see the eventual possibility that he want Etch. You know, i have Sarge in my eyes while i runn Etch ;-) |
| 17:10.29 | xai | pumkin: i hope i didn't bork the upgrade.. i'll keep my fingers crossed. |
| 17:10.49 | CharminTheMoose | do you guys know that some guy made a patch for loadlin? |
| 17:10.56 | azeem | itchi: then don't tell people to reinstall unless you are *very sure* there is no other option |
| 17:10.56 | Tux | i entered start X and it didnt work |
| 17:11.09 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: "some guy"? |
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| 17:11.19 | NiCeBoY | hi anyone can tell me how do we define a space between two lettter iin configutation filers please? e.g i am configuring shoutcast on linux and i want to set the target where my mp3 are its /home/mp3/the muziks.mp3 but in the configuration files it does not resognise the space how to i do it pelase? |
| 17:11.20 | CharminTheMoose | to make it compile on modern computers |
| 17:11.26 | itchi | azeem: Normally, we may /not/ recommend Etch too, :-/ |
| 17:11.27 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: people make patches to all kinds of stuff, what's the point? |
| 17:11.30 | CharminTheMoose | azeem:I forget his name |
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| 17:11.39 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: Samuel Thibault? |
| 17:11.39 | pumpkin0 | Tux: your problem is not KDE, your problem is the xserver. Are you on stable or testing (sarge or etch ?) |
| 17:11.42 | CharminTheMoose | aye |
| 17:11.48 | CharminTheMoose | that's the one azeem |
| 17:11.49 | Tux | etch |
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| 17:11.59 | CharminTheMoose | it's just soooo old |
| 17:12.06 | azeem | what is old? |
| 17:12.09 | CharminTheMoose | loadlin |
| 17:12.21 | CharminTheMoose | twas updated 10 years ago |
| 17:12.22 | azeem | GNU ed just had a new release this month |
| 17:12.25 | pumpkin0 | Tux: can you upload the files /etc/x11/xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.0.log to a pastesite. |
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| 17:12.27 | azeem | after 13 years or so |
| 17:12.37 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 17:13.13 | CharminTheMoose | that's pretty cool |
| 17:13.17 | Tux | dont know how to do that |
| 17:13.27 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" |
| 17:13.36 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: where <cc> is your country code, like fr or de |
| 17:13.49 | RyanTMulligan | azeem: so that's the only one I need? |
| 17:13.51 | pumpkin0 | Tux: run "apt-get install lynx" |
| 17:14.20 | enouf | pumpkin0: just so you realize the Xorg.0.log uses a cap as it's first letter |
| 17:14.26 | Tux | the x11directory is not there |
| 17:14.56 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: the others aren't bad, but you definetely need that one |
| 17:15.02 | pumpkin0 | tux, OK, run "apt-get install x-window-system-core" first. |
| 17:15.17 | Tux | pl |
| 17:15.28 | enouf | pumpkin0: I guess to remain consistent with XFree86.0.log or something .. unfortunately the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is all lowercase |
| 17:15.31 | pumpkin0 | enouf: thanks. I always rely on bash-tab and never remenber the details ... |
| 17:15.34 | NiCeBoY | hi anyone can tell me how do we define a space between two lettter iin configutation filers please? e.g i am configuring shoutcast on linux and i want to set the target where my mp3 are its /home/mp3/the muziks.mp3 but in the configuration files it does not resognise the space how to i do it pelase? |
| 17:15.41 | xai | pumpkin0: will the upgrade tell me when to restart X? |
| 17:16.02 | pumpkin0 | xai: it should ask. It it does not: restart on your own. |
| 17:16.12 | itchi | NiCeBoY: foo\ and\ bar |
| 17:16.18 | RyanTMulligan | azeem: how about this http://pastie.caboo.se/23091 |
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| 17:16.22 | Braindead | NiCeBoY: refraining from using spaces in filenames is a good start. escaping the spaces also is suggested \ |
| 17:16.31 | Tux | tells me that it didnt find it |
| 17:16.38 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: looks fine to me |
| 17:16.44 | RyanTMulligan | okay thanks |
| 17:16.47 | Tux | wait |
| 17:16.55 | enouf | pumpkin0: me too .. I recall someone (maybe even you) saying use ls /var/log/X*log to find the correct file .. hehe |
| 17:17.06 | g333k_work | how to set up my pc to be a ftp server to save images that ghost 4 linux creates? |
| 17:17.08 | Tux | was a typing mistake |
| 17:17.09 | NiCeBoY | tx |
| 17:17.09 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Tryout touch /tmp/foo\ and\ bar |
| 17:17.10 | Tux | isntalling... |
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| 17:17.42 | pumpkin0 | NiCeBoY: or use "´s around the filenames. That works for some configs, but not for all. |
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| 17:18.19 | ehj20 | Is it possible to attach an already running process to screen? |
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| 17:19.56 | Tux | pumkin0 is there something to do after installing x-window-system-core? |
| 17:20.09 | NiCeBoY | itchi for example if the file name is " elton-love me.mp3 " how to i write it in the config plz? |
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| 17:21.11 | pumpkin0 | Tux: run "startx". nothing happens ? |
| 17:21.11 | Tux | downloading atm |
| 17:21.11 | itchi | NiCeBoY: elton-love\ me.mp3 or avoiding to use space, maybe you want first remove all the spaces from filenames. You will see spaces are crap :-/ |
| 17:21.30 | pumpkin0 | NiCeBoY: \ elton-love\ me.mp3\ (according to your "-signs) |
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| 17:22.02 | itchi | ow, not saw that space in the begin |
| 17:22.13 | itchi | ow, and on the end |
| 17:22.28 | itchi | hah |
| 17:22.29 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 17:22.29 | itchi | Need to fix my eyes |
| 17:23.10 | itchi | How do you manage to change the font's height in aterm? |
| 17:23.48 | itchi | Like with xterm, it's easy to change the fonts size; ctrl+ right mouse click and we get the menu |
| 17:24.20 | [-NoX-] | man aterm |
| 17:24.22 | [-NoX-] | :p |
| 17:24.27 | Braindead | you cannot do it in real time AFAIK |
| 17:24.36 | itchi | Yeah, did that, but have nont find it |
| 17:24.41 | Braindead | ah no you can |
| 17:24.50 | pumpkin0 | i need help with the new usws... something that replaces the normal suspend in kernel 2.6.17. Where do i find a changelog documenting the changes between suspend and ususpend ? |
| 17:24.53 | Braindead | itchi: cmon just /change to search for the word |
| 17:25.15 | itchi | Braindead: So i still need to leave it with to little fonts. Better that i go again to xterm, many more usefull |
| 17:25.19 | xai | my upgrade seems to be stuck at the "Checking for crashed MySQL tables in the background." |
| 17:25.22 | Braindead | itchi: RTFM |
| 17:25.38 | Braindead | just use /word to search for the word,in this case the word change |
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| 17:28.08 | itchi | Braindead: hhhmm, thanks for the /tip, i not know that was working on the man page, oh cooool |
| 17:28.37 | xai | pumpkin0: seems like my upgrade is stalled on "Checking for crashed MySQL tables", should i just wait it out? |
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| 17:29.00 | itchi | hhhmm, so there is not an ctrl + RMB option? |
| 17:29.06 | Braindead | itchi: it's just a feature of the pager (see /etc/alternatives/pager) that "reads" the man pages |
| 17:29.31 | Braindead | itchi: I just assumed you were using more/less/any sensible pager with the search function |
| 17:29.32 | pumpkin0 | xai: depending on the size of your DBs that may take a very long time (hours for DBs > 1 GB). |
| 17:29.43 | itchi | It's not that -tiny or whatever i want; i want an interactive way like ctrl + RMB |
| 17:29.53 | RyanTMulligan | so I did the dist-upgrade and rebooted and now when I try to do apt-get install g++ I get g++: Depends: g++-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:30.03 | xai | pumpkin0: i think the db is empty |
| 17:30.19 | pumpkin0 | xai: abort it and remove mysql. |
| 17:30.33 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: apt-get update ? |
| 17:30.57 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: and apt-get -f install to get rid of any old problems. |
| 17:31.16 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin: I did do update, I will try it anyway though. Thanks |
| 17:31.19 | itchi | RyanTMulligan: You did the complete migration to Etch? did you apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:31.32 | RyanTMulligan | itchi: I think so |
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| 17:32.05 | azeem | RyanTMulligan: are you running i386 or some obscure arch? |
| 17:32.24 | RyanTMulligan | 686 i think |
| 17:32.44 | azeem | ok |
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| 17:33.42 | RyanTMulligan | okay I ran all those commands -f install, upgrade dist-upgrade and all of them do the typical nothing, but I still get that error when I try to install g++ |
| 17:33.47 | anushsh | Hello |
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| 17:34.42 | xai | pumpkin0: ok... i actually stopped it and disabled mysql by borking my.cnf |
| 17:34.58 | xai | that got it to start, but its still trying to futz with mysql in between installs. |
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| 17:36.07 | pumpkin0 | xai: yes, that is to be expected: mysql will no longer start, but the recover-tool will. like i said before: deinstall mysql. |
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| 17:41.37 | ayaa | how to get the cramfs file system type support in my debian ? |
| 17:41.58 | anushsh | can someone help on how should i go about installing debian over AMD64-ATI card laptop |
| 17:42.50 | BucWheat | okay i've had just about all i can take of this backport business. i am having issues backporting the current version of libusb to sarge |
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| 17:43.07 | BucWheat | is it possible to upgrade to etch keeping my existing kernel? |
| 17:44.23 | Flimqy | BucWheat: Of course. |
| 17:44.29 | Flimqy | BucWheat: hold the kernel back. |
| 17:44.31 | Ronin | BucWheat: yes but what issues are you having? |
| 17:45.49 | BucWheat | i'm having issues with libusb and i need to upgrade it to the latest version but it is not available on sarge |
| 17:46.08 | Ronin | BucWheat: yes and you looked on backports? you said you had issues using backports |
| 17:46.24 | pumpkin0 | ayaa: compile the kernel module needed. |
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| 17:46.36 | BucWheat | Ronin i did not find a backport for libusb at backports.org so i tried making my own |
| 17:46.58 | ayaa | pumpkin0, any docs ? |
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| 17:47.04 | ayaa | !cramfs |
| 17:47.04 | BucWheat | Ronin i followed the directions from dpkg sid backports |
| 17:47.04 | dpkg | [cramfs] a compressed RAM file system. It is loaded along with other file systems at boot. The kernel tries every registered partition driver to read the superblock of the initrd image. The cramfs driver disobeys the 'silent' flag passed to it (a bug) and grizzles that the superblock doesn't have the magic numbers expected of a cramfs superblock. |
| 17:47.11 | BucWheat | !sid backports |
| 17:47.20 | BucWheat | !backports |
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| 17:47.20 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 17:47.33 | xai | pumpkin0: dpkg would not allow me to deinstall mysql. But is deinstall a paramater on apt-get? |
| 17:47.43 | BucWheat | Ronin simple sid backports is the method i tried |
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| 17:48.00 | amphi | !simple sid backport |
| 17:48.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 17:48.16 | PupenoR | ahg... a Debian box with Sendmail... |
| 17:48.52 | PupenoR | xai: uninstall ? apt-get -h would tell you. |
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| 17:49.18 | pumpkin0 | xai: "apt-get remove package" |
| 17:50.42 | ayaa | pumpkin0, any docs regarding installing the cramfs module ? |
| 17:51.18 | DevilChaos | im trying to set up my wireless connection with 02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) but im uncertain of what modules i need and or packages anyone any hints please? |
| 17:51.32 | xai | pumpkin0: i get too many errors, it won't allow a remove |
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| 17:52.30 | tarzeau | when does lenny get released? |
| 17:52.43 | azeem | tarzeau: there's no schedule yet |
| 17:53.03 | streuner | tarzeau: wth is 'lenny' ? :-) |
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| 17:53.15 | peterrus | evening |
| 17:53.15 | azeem | streuner: etch+1 |
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| 17:53.56 | streuner | dpkg, lenny |
| 17:53.57 | dpkg | lenny is, like, an acronym for "lend me new york" |
| 17:54.01 | amphi | DevilChaos: the module is bcm43xx IIRC |
| 17:54.11 | tarzeau | lenny is also kravitz |
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| 17:54.45 | Ronin | etch hasn't even moved and allready questions about its replacement? |
| 17:54.51 | ex0s | hello i want this permissions to a directory drwxr-xr-x what chmod number do i have to write? |
| 17:55.06 | amphi | Ronin: etch is too old ;) |
| 17:55.19 | Ronin | amphi: heh |
| 17:55.30 | Stalwart | is it easy to set up debian-testing using new debian-installer businesscard image? |
| 17:55.37 | DevilChaos | !apt-key |
| 17:55.44 | DevilChaos | oops |
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| 17:55.52 | ex0s | hello i want this permissions to a directory drwxr-xr-x what chmod number do i have to write? |
| 17:56.02 | tarzeau | ex0s: 755 |
| 17:56.08 | ex0s | danke |
| 17:56.10 | mz_work | anyone aware of a cms or ?? that can talk to an exchange server? |
| 17:56.10 | Tux | chmod 755 |
| 17:56.21 | Stalwart | ex0s: 755 |
| 17:56.32 | Defty | yeah you better do as they say, namely 755 |
| 17:56.36 | Stalwart | 1 - exec, 2 - write, 4 - read |
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| 17:57.05 | HyperDevil | is there a bittorent tracker available for debian? |
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| 17:57.13 | ex0s | i wrote chmod 775 and got drwxrwxr-x i wanted drwxr-xr-x |
| 17:57.14 | azeem | HyperDevil: apt-cache search bittorent |
| 17:57.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:57.14 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:57.31 | HyperDevil | azeem: there are only clients there |
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| 17:57.38 | Defty | ex0s: are you sure? try 755 |
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| 17:58.12 | ex0s | yup |
| 17:58.17 | HyperDevil | azeem: bittorrent - Scatter-gather network file transfer |
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| 17:58.25 | HyperDevil | that is no tracker |
| 17:58.29 | ex0s | chmod 775 got me this result drwxrwxr-x :/ |
| 17:59.00 | Thunder2002 | hi guys, apt is a piece of debian right? can someone help me where i can find a documentation of the apt cache file "pkgcache.bin"? |
| 17:59.09 | Stalwart | ex0s: 755, not 775 |
| 17:59.27 | Defty | ex0s: what's the difference between 775 and 755? |
| 17:59.50 | Defty | ex0s: now, what's the dif between rwxrwxr-x and rwxr-xr-x? |
| 18:00.15 | Stalwart | first number is owner's perms, second is group, third is others |
| 18:00.27 | Stalwart | usually you want your files have 644 or 755 |
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| 18:02.55 | itchi | amphi: I still not get reply on the Usenet for that ata_piix trouble |
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| 18:03.17 | amphi | itchi: :( did you contact the maintainer? |
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| 18:04.04 | amphi | itchi: I finally got around to upgrading my ipw2200 driver + ieee80211 + fw, and there is a merked improvement |
| 18:04.12 | amphi | *marked |
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| 18:04.42 | itchi | amphi: Not, yet, i have first try in on the users list, maybe we never know; tomorrow i contact the maintainer, if i got no reply ;-) |
| 18:05.06 | DevilChaos | ok i did iwconfig and it gave me eth1 as my wireless interface how do i configure it from here? |
| 18:05.15 | itchi | amphi: It's been the kernel package maintainer i need to contact too? |
| 18:05.43 | Braindead | DevilChaos: read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 18:06.13 | amphi | itchi: no, the maintainer of that kernel subsystem IMHO |
| 18:06.27 | Flimqy | Can anyone suggest an MTA that would be easy to configure to forward all e-mail to multiple smarthosts? I want every email _duplicated_ to each smarthost... |
| 18:06.42 | itchi | amphi: Subsystem? |
| 18:06.49 | PaSurf | I am having trouble trying to format an external scsi device (RAID Array) through Debian. Have used fdisk to configure it but not able to wipe the drives clean. |
| 18:07.09 | amphi | itchi: that part of the kernel |
| 18:07.42 | itchi | amphi: heh, i that not the kernel maintainer then? Looks the same for me |
| 18:08.38 | amphi | itchi: you said the kernel _package_ maintainer, which I understood to mean the DD |
| 18:08.58 | itchi | amphi: Yup, your right, because it's that i meaned |
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| 18:11.15 | mahognyy | default debian ftp program? |
| 18:11.28 | mahognyy | typing "ftp" doesn't work |
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| 18:12.20 | Flimqy | mahognyy: There isn't a "default". Install one you like. |
| 18:12.35 | mahognyy | ok |
| 18:14.08 | peterrus | sudo apt-get install ftp |
| 18:14.26 | itchi | amphi: I can not imagine that sometings goes better with ipw3945 like it works right here :-) What's better? |
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| 18:15.48 | Ronin | mahognyy: and why doesnt' ftp work? |
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| 18:16.48 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea about that card |
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| 18:17.15 | rgsteele | PaSurf: use mkfs, that oughtta hose the data |
| 18:17.25 | mahognyy | works thx |
| 18:17.32 | rgsteele | PaSurf: And, if all else fails, use dd to blast the drive with /dev/zero |
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| 18:17.50 | itchi | amphi: Because you have tell that you got the upgrade and saw some improvements; im loosed |
| 18:17.56 | amphi | itchi: the new driver/fw has noticeably increased the effective range of the card |
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| 18:18.40 | cydork | i have to learn java! shoot me! some one shoot me now :( |
| 18:18.45 | itchi | amphi: Have i also take that new version?? heh, that's a question :-p |
| 18:18.49 | amphi | itchi: I was using an ancient driver until now |
| 18:18.51 | rgsteele | cydork: Java ain't that bad |
| 18:19.01 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea - I presume so |
| 18:19.17 | cydork | rgsteele: you have reached the dark side :P |
| 18:19.17 | rgsteele | cydork: Especially if you already know another OO language |
| 18:19.22 | bronze_|| | cydork: what lnags you know now? |
| 18:19.26 | bronze_|| | languages |
| 18:20.00 | daqqal | hello |
| 18:20.03 | daqqal | how are things |
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| 18:20.15 | itchi | amphi: Because i had see that the signal is not so full; btw, but works enought here at home, have not yet try in outside of it and far enought |
| 18:20.28 | rgsteele | daqqal: depends on what 'things' you're referring to. |
| 18:20.45 | cydork | bronze_||: C/perl and did learn C++ but never used it |
| 18:20.55 | rgsteele | cydork: It's pretty similar to C++ |
| 18:21.11 | rgsteele | And how can you learn a language without ever using it? :) |
| 18:21.14 | amphi | itchi: 'link quality' is 15-20% better with the new driver here |
| 18:21.15 | bronze_|| | consider Java to be C+= with an easier syntax and automatic garbage collection for the most part. |
| 18:21.24 | rgsteele | bronze_||: And richer API's |
| 18:21.26 | bronze_|| | heh ="C++" |
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| 18:21.43 | bronze_|| | rgsteele: for some values of API's |
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| 18:22.25 | mahognyy | how to install openoffice 2.0 over 1.x? |
| 18:22.56 | raf256 | I have two discs, A (ata) and B (sata), both have GRUB. When I connect A+B then I have grub error, when I connect only B grub error, when I connect only A - it works fine. The only explanation for that is that B conatins broken GRUB and BIOS boot order is B,A instead A,B right? |
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| 18:24.20 | rgsteele | Hm, I dunno why, but I have this itching to write something like.... int i=1; while(i){ fork(fibonacci(i++)) }; |
| 18:24.27 | itchi | amphi: I'm no more remeber with which tool i saw that, still looking |
| 18:24.39 | rgsteele | Just to see how long it takes to bring a box to its knees |
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| 18:24.50 | amphi | itchi: wavemon is handy |
| 18:25.29 | amphi | itchi: there's also a plugin for gkrellm, if you use that |
| 18:25.29 | itchi | amphi: Ow, that's a cooool tool, not yet have test that |
| 18:25.29 | amphi | itchi: wavemon has an elegant, incisive ncurses interface FTW |
| 18:25.42 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, im flashing on wavemon |
| 18:25.56 | itchi | amphi: I like such stuff :-) |
| 18:25.57 | amphi | flashing? |
| 18:26.06 | Tux | what is the apt-get install for the xserver? |
| 18:26.13 | peterrus | i know |
| 18:26.13 | Tux | x-window-...? |
| 18:26.16 | peterrus | wait a min |
| 18:26.22 | peterrus | i had the sam e trouble |
| 18:26.30 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, looks good stuff like i want ;-) |
| 18:26.42 | itchi | amphi: I'm on 2 metters of the AP link quality: 96/100 |
| 18:26.53 | peterrus | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/432 |
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| 18:27.10 | peterrus | which comes down to : apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xorg |
| 18:27.16 | itchi | amphi: For my part is that good, have not yet try from far away of my AP |
| 18:27.19 | amphi | itchi: yeah, it should be ;) |
| 18:27.30 | peterrus | Tux: see above |
| 18:27.54 | itchi | amphi: Looks like the quality by the neighborhood below is many lesser :-) |
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| 18:28.06 | amphi | itchi: ? |
| 18:28.13 | itchi | amphi: His AP |
| 18:28.15 | Tux | is there a "-" with core and xorg? |
| 18:28.27 | peterrus | yep |
| 18:28.35 | itchi | amphi: Just looking his quality, not pumping of it ;-) |
| 18:28.45 | amphi | itchi: here I have 72, at several metres from the other laptop, through a floor and a wall |
| 18:28.49 | itchi | amphi: It's my friend the neighborhood, working also in the IT |
| 18:29.12 | amphi | itchi: you see that with iwlist <iface> scan? |
| 18:29.37 | itchi | amphi: Just connected on it; just to see that app |
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| 18:29.51 | itchi | amphi: Thanks for that app, man, great stuff |
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| 18:30.53 | amphi | itchi: oh, ok - you're welcome; 'apt-cache search wireless' is a wonderful thing ;) |
| 18:30.57 | itchi | amphi: Btw, have you some other apps tips for in the cli for that wifi?? ;-) |
| 18:31.24 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i have installed an bunch of stuff about it, still testing all the stuff |
| 18:31.24 | amphi | itchi: kismet? ;) |
| 18:31.26 | itchi | amphi: but wavemon looks many better than many gui stuff |
| 18:31.35 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, have installed that, not yet try |
| 18:31.51 | amphi | itchi: normally I just use iwconfig, iwlist, wavemon |
| 18:32.32 | amphi | itchi: wpasupplicant if you want to use wpa |
| 18:33.09 | itchi | amphi: yeah, me too, iwconf, iwlist and ifconfig. But there's many monitor tools. I also need to test my wep thing. Look like i can only give 4 characters as key. I wonder how long it need to bipass it |
| 18:34.22 | itchi | amphi: I need to learn more about wpa, like i not understand that stuff |
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| 18:34.52 | amphi | itchi: 4? why chars? it's 16 hex digits according to man iwconfig |
| 18:34.59 | amphi | itchi: I haven't use wpa |
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| 18:36.32 | itchi | amphi: On the router i can choice plain text or HEX. |
| 18:37.05 | amphi | itchi: so do hex, IMHO, and don't use DEAD-BEEF-DEAD-BEEF ;) |
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| 18:37.25 | itchi | amphi: If i enter i aplain text key, and then select in that choicebox HEX, he automatically convert it. So for me if i enter that key code in plain text, it is in hex. Is that right? |
| 18:37.39 | amphi | dunno |
| 18:37.47 | itchi | amphi: me too |
| 18:37.48 | amphi | I guess so |
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| 18:38.11 | itchi | amphi: That's why i need to test the security too, to be sure |
| 18:38.37 | amphi | itchi: wep is faily easily crackable AFAIK |
| 18:38.51 | amphi | itchi: wpa if you want crypto I think |
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| 18:38.59 | itchi | amphi: I use web + mac |
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| 18:39.25 | StarWars | hi all |
| 18:39.27 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.37 | StarWars | my Proftpd dont work good |
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| 18:39.48 | itchi | amphi: oeps, wep hehe |
| 18:40.10 | amphi | itchi: yeah, I assumed ;) |
| 18:40.57 | itchi | amphi: Is that fair enought as security? |
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| 18:42.25 | amphi | itchi: mac addresses can be 'forged' |
| 18:42.34 | itchi | Yeah, it's so simply to change the mac :-) |
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| 18:44.10 | mahognyy | if I want to apt-get install openoffice 2.0 on sarge, do I just add "testing" in the long line in sources.list? |
| 18:44.17 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.22 | StarWars | what is roong ? |
| 18:44.53 | StarWars | where i must configure my proftpd ? |
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| 18:45.05 | StarWars | to dont work with IPv6 |
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| 18:45.38 | Eulex | mahognyy, no, you get it from backports.org |
| 18:45.47 | abrotman | mahognyy: backports.org |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 18:46.00 | barros | hi all.. I'm trying to install debian 3.1 into a dell. This dell has a sata raid controler, called sas 5/ir, but debia does not recognizes the HDs. anyone had sucess installing debia in such a hardware? |
| 18:46.16 | abrotman | !tell barros about sarge uni |
| 18:46.18 | abrotman | !tell barros about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 18:46.32 | abrotman | barros: you did try the linux26 option .. right ? |
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| 18:46.42 | StarWars | abrotma hi ..can you help pls ? |
| 18:46.44 | barros | abrotman, yes.. |
| 18:46.55 | StarWars | - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'jhost.name' error: Name or service not known ...proftpd |
| 18:47.26 | abrotman | barros: see what the bot told oyu |
| 18:47.33 | barros | abrotman, ok |
| 18:47.36 | mahognyy | ah, wth, I'll just update the whole thing to testing |
| 18:47.36 | StarWars | what i must edit in etc/proftpd.conf is nothing about ipv6 |
| 18:47.44 | abrotman | StarWars: never seen that .. did you ask #proftpd or check the bts ? |
| 18:47.53 | abrotman | mahognyy: you mean to 'etch' |
| 18:47.54 | StarWars | what i must edit in etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf is nothing about ipv6 |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | !tell mahognyy about sarge->etch |
| 18:47.59 | StarWars | i will try now |
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| 18:48.55 | mahognyy | wow, thank you very much! |
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| 18:49.46 | zaphands | Hello. How do I create my own minimal debian livecd? |
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| 18:50.04 | zaphands | can anyone point me to a link/howto |
| 18:50.05 | zaphands | ? |
| 18:50.05 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 18:50.05 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 18:50.07 | matteo | hi all |
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| 18:50.24 | zaphands | Thanks |
| 18:50.24 | d0uglas | is there any way around this? E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libsals2-modules_2.1.22.dfsg1-2_i386.deb: failed in buffer_read(fd)? pls/thanks |
| 18:50.27 | abrotman | zaphands: there's a package called like bootcd or something that can do it IIRC |
| 18:50.32 | matteo | can I install libc6-i686 on a pentium1/k6 system or it won't work? |
| 18:50.38 | mahognyy | like this? deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:50.38 | matteo | i'm building a live cd |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | d0uglas: apt-get clean .. try again |
| 18:50.48 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | mahognyy: not quite |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | matteo: no |
| 18:50.59 | abrotman | !686 |
| 18:51.00 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 18:51.12 | abrotman | matteo: you can try though :) |
| 18:51.24 | matteo | abrotman: but if i will install them the linker will find the right one? |
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| 18:51.54 | abrotman | matteo: you have a P1 .. that is not a -686 |
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| 18:52.01 | matteo | i know |
| 18:52.09 | abrotman | then i wouldn't do it |
| 18:52.14 | matteo | but if i install, i broke something? |
| 18:52.17 | Quibus | um, did Debian get back to Freenode?? |
| 18:52.20 | abrotman | it might not boot ? |
| 18:52.23 | earthian | dpkgxorg etch is, like, not in etch <--- then wtf am i using??? :/ |
| 18:52.26 | abrotman | Quibus: never left |
| 18:52.29 | mahognyy | here is my sources.list to update to etch: http://pastebin.com/825916 |
| 18:52.34 | abrotman | earthian: huh ? |
| 18:52.36 | matteo | abrotman: i can't try now |
| 18:52.38 | Quibus | abrotman: I thought it moved to OTFC? |
| 18:52.44 | earthian | abrotman, |
| 18:52.49 | d0uglas | abrotman: Ahh yes it worked, thanks thanks again. |
| 18:52.52 | earthian | !xorg etch |
| 18:52.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg etch is not in etch |
| 18:52.56 | h3sp4wn | StarWars: Did you read README.debian ? (gives a workaround) |
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| 18:53.02 | earthian | ? |
| 18:53.22 | Quibus | Feels quite at home here! :-) |
| 18:53.40 | earthian | i do not understand that sentence that dpkg has said about xorg in etch :S |
| 18:53.49 | earthian | can somebody explain? |
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| 18:54.14 | xai | is there a way to force apt-get to remove packages? |
| 18:54.24 | enouf | earthian: it only gets pulled in depending upon other pkgs afaik |
| 18:54.37 | enouf | xai: which ones? |
| 18:54.39 | Quibus | xai: most of the time you really don't want that |
| 18:54.51 | Quibus | xai: better use aptitude anyway |
| 18:54.54 | earthian | hmm... when i installed i did apt-get install xorg gnome gdm :) |
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| 18:55.01 | netcrash | Hello again, what's the package for dig or how can I find out , apt-cache search is not giving me anything |
| 18:55.06 | earthian | think it came in .. :) |
| 18:55.08 | enouf | earthian: there ya go |
| 18:55.21 | earthian | heh... weird |
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| 18:55.30 | abrotman | Quibus: irc.debian.org moved |
| 18:55.42 | StarWars | - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'jhost.name' error: Name or service not known ...proftpd |
| 18:55.43 | xai | Quibus: i ahve upgrade errors, and I can't "apt-get -f install" nor apt-get remove problem packages. |
| 18:55.46 | StarWars | what is roong |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | earthian: it's gone .. ignore it |
| 18:55.52 | enouf | I upgraded for Sarge -> Etch and it pulled it in on the dist-upgrade, IIRC .. but that was months ago |
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| 18:56.05 | earthian | do you know a way how to upgrade gnome in etch ? |
| 18:56.13 | Quibus | abrotman: it first pointed to Freenode, later to OTFC, but everyone now just goes to Freenode and not irc.debian.org? |
| 18:56.19 | barros | abrotman, the problem here is that the instalation did not detected my harddrives... |
| 18:56.20 | earthian | the current is 2.14 and the latest is 2.16 with some neat features :S |
| 18:56.23 | h3sp4wn | StarWars: Read /usr/share/doc/proftpd/README.debian |
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| 18:56.27 | enouf | apt-get install gnome? |
| 18:56.37 | enouf | earthian: ^^ |
| 18:56.43 | earthian | enouf, that will install 2.14 |
| 18:57.03 | enouf | earthian: it'll install the latest for your version |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | barros: i know ... |
| 18:57.30 | earthian | well.. sid has the same version too. |
| 18:57.53 | barros | abrotman, u mean that I need another instalation disks? |
| 18:57.55 | earthian | and lately i started lacking difference between sid and etch package version numbers ... |
| 18:58.00 | enouf | earthian: what are you talking about? |
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| 18:58.06 | h3sp4wn | and if you look at the status of gnome 2.16 in debian page you will see that it is not all even in experimental |
| 18:58.11 | abrotman | barros: i guess you might |
| 18:58.23 | RvGaTe | is anyone running etch rc1 atm? if so, how is it? |
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| 18:58.43 | Quibus | RvGaTe: usually you don't run the installer for that long |
| 18:58.48 | enouf | RvGaTe: I installed basically RC1 .. what you want to know |
| 18:58.58 | earthian | h3sp4wn, maybe you know when is going the gnome 2.16 moved to sid/etch ? |
| 18:59.13 | Quibus | earthian: 2.16 is not in sid |
| 18:59.14 | barros | abrotman, :) It was what I thought.. ok. I'll check it out |
| 18:59.17 | barros | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:59.18 | h3sp4wn | earthian: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html all I know is in that page |
| 18:59.19 | enouf | RvGaTe: by almost RC1 .. I grabbed a snapshot from 1 day before RC1 was released |
| 18:59.29 | RvGaTe | enouf, want to know if its stable anough to run a dedicated webserver... |
| 18:59.30 | mahognyy | what is a correct sources.list to upgrade to testing? here is my try, can you comment on it? http://pastebin.com/825916 |
| 18:59.30 | earthian | h3sp4wn, thanks a lot! |
| 18:59.57 | enouf | RvGaTe: well .. it's just sitting over on my other HDD .. not doing much atm :-P |
| 19:00.02 | Quibus | mahognyy: use the original one and replace stable with testing |
| 19:00.25 | enouf | RvGaTe: a dedicated webserver should be running sarge I guess |
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| 19:00.59 | mahognyy | Quibus: I did exactly that |
| 19:01.06 | enouf | RvGaTe: it was an installation from DVD binary-1.iso test installation |
| 19:01.07 | Quibus | mahognyy: then it works |
| 19:01.13 | mahognyy | ok |
| 19:01.24 | mahognyy | someone said it wasn't right |
| 19:01.27 | enouf | s/was/is |
| 19:02.13 | Quibus | mahognyy: comment the cdrom though, it's useless |
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| 19:02.56 | Quibus | anyway, since I got apache 2.2 in my testing Debian, I keep getting this warning: |
| 19:03.02 | xai | pumpkin: i think i need to force removal of some packages to get this upgrade to go. should i use dpkg? |
| 19:03.04 | Quibus | .apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.1.1 for ServerName |
| 19:03.14 | Quibus | Does anyone have an idea what that's about all of a sudden? |
| 19:03.37 | enouf | RvGaTe: you've seen this? Known issues for the graphical installer: some tasks (e.g. the File server task) may not install correctly due to bug #282147 from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20061113 |
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| 19:03.59 | RvGaTe | enouf, im looking for a moment to reinstall 2 webservers (running 1 at home and 1 at work for development), i just cant wait till the official release :P |
| 19:04.02 | Quibus | xai, you really don't need that, I think |
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| 19:05.21 | enouf | RvGaTe: see #398455 for a review of my installation report .. and make your own when you finish installation :-) |
| 19:06.08 | valdyn | mahognyy: that source.list is broken |
| 19:07.03 | mahognyy | what to do? |
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| 19:07.13 | valdyn | mahognyy: run apt-setup |
| 19:07.17 | enouf | RvGaTe: if you need to review your installation logs for whatever reason .. see /var/log/installer/syslog .. i used the "expertgui" to try out the new GUI when I installed |
| 19:07.20 | Seb | how do I check if a geiven binary/lib is stripped or not ? |
| 19:07.29 | valdyn | Seb: file <file> |
| 19:07.45 | Seb | valdyn: oh nice |
| 19:07.48 | Seb | valdyn: thx a lot |
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| 19:08.32 | valdyn | Seb: '....for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped', not sure if it would explicitely tell about not-stripped |
| 19:09.20 | mahognyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.19 | mahognyy | but it edited the list |
| 19:10.38 | xai | Quibus: then how do i install the packages that are in a bad state? I can't upgrade or remove them with apt-get, because of errors. |
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| 19:10.56 | valdyn | mahognyy: feel free to paste that new list, certainly easier to fix for testing than what you had |
| 19:12.15 | xai | Quibus: i get " package is a very inconsitent state, try installing before removing" |
| 19:12.15 | valdyn | mahognyy: or use: http://pastebin.com/825928 |
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| 19:13.03 | d0uglas | abrotman: any tricks for this one? failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `foomatic-db': Input/output error |
| 19:13.11 | abrotman | fix your harddrive |
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| 19:14.05 | d0uglas | abrotman: let's say badblocks marked the bad sectors and what not... but this database thing was on one of those blocks and i need to wipe it out and put in a fresh one (dodging the original blocks) -- doable? |
| 19:14.23 | mahognyy | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/825931 |
| 19:14.55 | d0uglas | abrotman: can i remove apt and its components and install it manually? |
| 19:15.39 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.59 | d0uglas | abrotman: another one, you told me how to tell gnome-terminal to use a different browser on url openings.. gnome- something.. what was it? |
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| 19:17.25 | barros | abrotman, hi man.. I noticed that the instalation media I have here is the latest one.. 3.1 r3, is that right? |
| 19:17.45 | mahognyy | shall I install the new kernel before or after dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:17.53 | abrotman | d0uglas: don't do that |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | d0uglas: gnome-default-applications or something |
| 19:18.03 | abrotman | barros: yes |
| 19:18.05 | d0uglas | abrotman: but whatever you told me worked, i just want to switch it |
| 19:18.11 | d0uglas | good |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | mahognyy: whenever you want .. unless it tells you otherwise |
| 19:18.30 | barros | abrotman, but it is shipped with kernel 2.6.8.. how can I use a newer version?? i think it is not possible |
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| 19:18.51 | mahognyy | ok |
| 19:19.04 | mahognyy | good, then I can worry about that some other day |
| 19:19.27 | mahognyy | so now it's just "apt-get install dist-upgrade" |
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| 19:20.12 | grencez | ok, this has been bugging me... how does one allow files on an external hard drive to be executable? |
| 19:20.29 | abrotman | !tell barros about sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 19:21.05 | sinthetek | i cancelled an apt-get dist-upgrade while it was still only in download phase because i read that aptitude dist-upgrade would be safer. when i did so, aptitude only listed like 200 of the 1000+ packages that apt-get had mentioned |
| 19:21.22 | mahognyy | E: Couldn't find package dist-upgrade |
| 19:21.58 | enouf | mahognyy: remove 'install' |
| 19:22.01 | grencez | don't put the "install" before "dist-... yeah |
| 19:22.03 | sinthetek | did my cancellation of apt-get dist-upgrade before it even actually started installing going to break my system? |
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| 19:22.11 | mahognyy | oh |
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| 19:22.54 | grencez | sinthetek: no, it was only downloading packages |
| 19:22.59 | ehj20 | sinthetek: I wouldn't think so. Usually if there's any problems apt-get or aptitude would flag them up |
| 19:23.21 | sinthetek | grencez: any idea why aptitude listed 800 fewer packages for installation? |
| 19:23.21 | mahognyy | so now xorg will replace xfree86? anything I need to think about here? |
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| 19:23.37 | enouf | sinthetek: next time 'man apt-get' and use the -s option |
| 19:23.57 | sinthetek | does it only print the number it needs to download? |
| 19:24.12 | JordiGH | I swear my sysadmin is fucking with me. Wikipedia won't load anymore, but Sourceforge which was inaccessible for months suddenly works. |
| 19:24.28 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:24.30 | enouf | wow |
| 19:24.35 | grencez | sinthetek: not sure, but it's been my experience that apt-get doesn't handle dependencies very well when doing "dist-upgrade" |
| 19:24.42 | enouf | x_link: my nigga :-P |
| 19:24.52 | x_link | I have 3 RAM memories in this machine, 512+256+256 PC3200 400MHz. |
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| 19:25.30 | enouf | 3 DIMMs x_link |
| 19:25.31 | enouf | x_link: they're DDR-SDRAM too |
| 19:25.31 | sinthetek | grencez: that is what i read :\. hence my attempt to cancel it and use aptitude |
| 19:25.31 | x_link | The 512 is almost new, but lets say one of those two 256 ones are messed up a bit. |
| 19:25.34 | ehj20 | sinthetek: I would trust aptitude. But then I don't know what your situation is |
| 19:25.37 | enouf | x_link: yes .. and? |
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| 19:25.43 | x_link | Could that be the reason why sometimes my programs doesn't start when I click them ? |
| 19:26.02 | x_link | But that can't be the reason, why would they start when I reboot then. |
| 19:26.05 | enouf | x_link: Yes .. but not likely |
| 19:26.19 | enouf | x_link: especially if everything else works |
| 19:26.26 | x_link | enouf: Yeah.... |
| 19:26.30 | x_link | Well. It's just strange. |
| 19:26.52 | enouf | x_link: .. you can easily run memtest86+ |
| 19:26.53 | grencez | sinthetek: yes, aptitude is trustable... with apt-get i've demolished my system a few times |
| 19:26.59 | DavidProck1981 | what is the command to work with the firewall settings, like to allow pings and to add a port as a server, does any one know, normally if my control center was working i could do it on my own |
| 19:27.02 | Quibus | xai: did you try reinstall? |
| 19:27.09 | x_link | enouf: apt-get install memtext86+ |
| 19:27.09 | JordiGH | What do flickr.com, debian.org, wikipedia.org, stellarium.org, and maxima.sourceforge.net (but not sourceforge.net) have in common? Besides the fact that all of their packets get stuck in my school's router. |
| 19:27.12 | x_link | enouf: ? |
| 19:27.14 | xai | how can I remove a package in an inconsistant state. : Quibus: yes.. |
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| 19:27.36 | xai | Quibus: won't let me. i suppose I can force it. |
| 19:27.54 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: they are all not sourceforge.net! |
| 19:28.16 | enouf | x_link: it's already there .. locate memtest .. you reboot into it and choose it from the grub menu .. or most every LiveCD has it to .. as a boot option |
| 19:28.31 | grencez | anyone know how to make files executable on an external hard drive? |
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| 19:28.46 | enouf | grencez: what type of file system and OS |
| 19:28.50 | JordiGH | Btw, next time someone asks about a graphical representation of package dependencies: apt-cache dotty, graphviz, and also, apt-rdepends. |
| 19:29.01 | JordiGH | !info apt-rdepends |
| 19:29.06 | dpkg | apt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
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| 19:29.11 | x_link | enouf: Hmm ok. |
| 19:29.28 | enouf | x_link: or just pull each module :-P |
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| 19:29.46 | enouf | x_link: 1 at a time, for testing |
| 19:30.00 | Thaiger | If I want to put a script in /etc/rc2.d/ how do I know what number to put for S##foo, it seems like 20 is prevalent, but I see 10 there too |
| 19:30.02 | enouf | x_link: to either eliminate it as the cause or .. |
| 19:30.14 | grencez | enouf: the external is vfat currently |
| 19:30.14 | x_link | enouf: Which Debian are you using ? Testing, Stable ? |
| 19:30.20 | xai | Quibus: I only have two package that are causint "apt-get -f install" problems now: docbook-dsssl liborbit2 |
| 19:30.22 | Quibus | xai: aptitude reinstall fortunes? |
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| 19:30.27 | DavidProck1981 | testing |
| 19:30.52 | JordiGH | And while we're on that topic, if you haven't checked out Celestia yet or Stellarium... they're pretty and instructional. :-) |
| 19:30.54 | x_link | DavidProck1981: Is he ? okey. |
| 19:30.57 | DavidProck1981 | how do i work with my firewall setting |
| 19:30.59 | JordiGH | (on the topic of pretty graphics, that is) |
| 19:31.04 | Quibus | xai: use aptitude anyway |
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| 19:31.11 | enouf | x_link: Sid and Etch .. 2 installations .. but mostly an Old sid |
| 19:31.13 | acid | hi |
| 19:31.18 | JordiGH | !greet acid |
| 19:31.19 | dpkg | Hello, acid |
| 19:31.25 | DavidProck1981 | ya he is okay lol |
| 19:31.29 | x_link | Sid and Etch are Stable or ? |
| 19:31.33 | enouf | !tell grencez about vfat |
| 19:31.35 | Quibus | !greet me |
| 19:31.35 | dpkg | Hello, quibus |
| 19:31.36 | Quibus | :P |
| 19:31.51 | enouf | !tell grencez about vfatrw |
| 19:31.59 | niles | where do the files store when apt-get source ? |
| 19:32.09 | JordiGH | niles: current directory. |
| 19:32.15 | niles | thanx |
| 19:32.15 | acid | how come all those mirror are broken, and that the 3.2.4-5 version in marked as 'unstable' while I got it in my testing update ? : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkvirc%2Fkvirc_3.2.4-4_i386.deb&md5sum=95439ea99f6114c5a548095a4000dc4c&arch=i386&type=main |
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| 19:33.27 | phlasphy_ | hey all |
| 19:33.30 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know a command to bring up the firewall settings, please tell me |
| 19:33.30 | enouf | Thaiger: review the various READMEs .. in /etc/init.d, /etc/inittab, also the /etc/init.d/skeleton .. and /msg dpkg rcconf and read the URLs info .. it depends on what your script does I'd say |
| 19:33.35 | JordiGH | Hm, what should I put into my usb pen drive instead of vfat, then? |
| 19:33.43 | acid | xfs ? |
| 19:33.45 | xai | Quibus: will that resolve the problems? |
| 19:33.54 | Quibus | xai: just try it |
| 19:33.58 | Quibus | won't hurt anyway |
| 19:34.13 | phlasphy_ | i am wondering if i should change from windows to debian? |
| 19:34.14 | JordiGH | !tell DavidProck1981 about iptables |
| 19:34.23 | Quibus | if apt says 'try to reinstall', it means you need to use the 'reinstall' command |
| 19:34.26 | enouf | JordiGH: ..Huh? |
| 19:34.26 | grencez | enouf: thanks |
| 19:34.34 | enouf | grencez: no prob |
| 19:34.40 | Quibus | phlasphy_: does it help? |
| 19:34.46 | x_link | enouf: Ahh Sid is Unstable, just read it. |
| 19:34.57 | phlasphy_ | Quibus, what do you mean? |
| 19:35.00 | enouf | doh! |
| 19:35.18 | Quibus | phlasphy_: does wondering help? |
| 19:35.24 | phlasphy_ | ohh ok not really |
| 19:35.26 | niles | i had no problem with apt-get install netcat but on apt-get source netcat it's idle on 0% [Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org (204.152.191.39)] |
| 19:35.28 | JordiGH | enouf: All removable media by default has vfat as its filesystem. De facto standard. dpkg's factoid says to not use vfat if you can avoid it. So what should I use instead? ext2, I guess? |
| 19:35.34 | Quibus | phlasphy_: then stop wondering :-) |
| 19:35.38 | enouf | phlasphy_: maybe apt-get install reinstall <packagename> ? |
| 19:35.45 | x_link | enouf: Somebody told me that KDE has a big bug now and that it will be fixed soon, is that true ? |
| 19:35.58 | phlasphy_ | quibos could you please tell me some of the pros of debian |
| 19:35.59 | enouf | JordiGH: use whatever you want .. ext3 .. etc |
| 19:36.00 | JordiGH | x_link: KDE has hundreds of bugs. :-) |
| 19:36.08 | xai | Quibus: in cli mode? Sorry I don't know aptitude. |
| 19:36.23 | Quibus | xai: use the same commands as with apt-get, almost |
| 19:36.24 | DavidProck1981 | phlasphy >> personally , first i would at least make sure your video card has full support in linux for debian, that is if u r a gammer |
| 19:36.25 | x_link | JordiGH: hehe. |
| 19:36.28 | niles | ok nm nm |
| 19:36.30 | Quibus | xai: and use man aptitude |
| 19:36.30 | JordiGH | enouf: A journalled filesystem on a flash stick? Won't that involve too many write operations? |
| 19:36.32 | enouf | yep |
| 19:36.36 | niles | for some reason it just takes a little longs |
| 19:36.47 | craigevil | x_link: what big bug would that be? |
| 19:36.50 | x_link | JordiGH: The thing is that my KDE is pretty messed up. But I really LOVE KDE and I don't want to change. I don't like any of the other ones. |
| 19:36.55 | x_link | craigevil: Well, don't ask me ;) |
| 19:36.58 | Quibus | xai: apt-get can also reinstall, but it needs a --reinstall option AFAIK |
| 19:37.01 | JordiGH | x_link: How is it messed? |
| 19:37.04 | x_link | Is there any environment that lookd like KDE? |
| 19:37.05 | craigevil | whats messed up? |
| 19:37.11 | enouf | JordiGH: I guess not .. a flash stick? .. use noatime, nosync mount options |
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| 19:37.32 | phlasphy_ | can i use synaptic with debian??? |
| 19:37.33 | x_link | KDE Crash Handler come up pretty often, but that's kind of fixed now. |
| 19:37.43 | x_link | Then sometimes my programs just close itself. |
| 19:37.48 | JordiGH | x_link: Have you seen GNOME recently? It's looking very pretty nowadays. |
| 19:37.49 | Quibus | phlasphy_: it really depends. If you love Microsoft and want to run Windows only apps, Debian is probably a bad choice. In all other cases, it's a great choice :-) |
| 19:37.49 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 19:37.54 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 19:37.54 | JordiGH | phlasphy_: Yes. Debian invented synaptic. |
| 19:38.00 | Quibus | phlasphy_: synaptic was invented in Debian |
| 19:38.00 | floyd_n_milan | which package provides /sbin/rc ? |
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| 19:38.02 | craigevil | x_link: what versin of KDE |
| 19:38.04 | x_link | JordiGH: I tried GNOME for a hour ago. |
| 19:38.13 | x_link | I really don't like GNOME. |
| 19:38.17 | x_link | craigevil: 3.5 |
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| 19:38.32 | x_link | JordiGH: Btw, I thought it looked like it always have ;) |
| 19:38.33 | phlasphy_ | ok also what is the best image to download |
| 19:38.46 | craigevil | x_link: im running Sid and KDE with no problems |
| 19:38.49 | phlasphy_ | do you have a link |
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| 19:39.01 | JordiGH | x_link: Some parts of it seem better integrated than KDE, imho. It makes more of a concession to many different apps from different sources and having the interact cleanly, instead of having a kyermom for everything. |
| 19:39.02 | Ronin | phlasphy_: image? www.debian.org |
| 19:39.06 | DavidProck1981 | oh speaking of mount options durring the setup what is ........ |
| 19:39.09 | phlasphy_ | Ronin, ok |
| 19:39.15 | xai | Current situation: http://pastebin.com/825959 |
| 19:39.19 | x_link | JordiGH: ok. |
| 19:39.21 | enouf | craigevil: just fwiw .. s/he's not ready to run sid |
| 19:39.23 | Quibus | phlasphy_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:39.24 | phlasphy_ | does debian auto detect thing as windows does |
| 19:39.29 | JordiGH | x_link: I saw a very pleasing change from sawfish to metacity. But maybe that's just me. |
| 19:39.35 | x_link | craigevil: Hmm ok. Bu |
| 19:39.36 | Quibus | phlasphy_: sure, just try that 100MB iso |
| 19:39.41 | phlasphy_ | do i want the testing 1 |
| 19:39.42 | x_link | craigevil: - Bu |
| 19:39.45 | phlasphy_ | why not stable |
| 19:39.52 | Quibus | phlasphy_: because it's old |
| 19:39.59 | JordiGH | phlasphy_: It tries, but hardware detection in Debian can be problematic (because vendors will not release specs of their hardware). |
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| 19:40.16 | enouf | Bobblehead University == Bu ? x_link |
| 19:40.19 | DavidProck1981 | what is user_xattr - support user extended attributes, what would that do if i check it??? |
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| 19:40.26 | JordiGH | Quibus: Don't recommend unstable to newbies. |
| 19:40.33 | Ronin | phlasphy_: how new, fancy is your hardware? |
| 19:40.38 | x_link | I just took out my 2x 256MB memories, maybe they were causing this problems, that programs closed itself etc. |
| 19:40.40 | Quibus | JordiGH: I didn't, I recommended testing |
| 19:40.53 | x_link | enouf: hehe. I typed Bu by mistake. |
| 19:41.06 | Quibus | JordiGH: but you may have a point :-) |
| 19:41.09 | enouf | x_link: you DID shutdown 1st and remove the ATX power cable .. yes? |
| 19:41.09 | JordiGH | Quibus: Don't recommend that either. Stable is what Debian promotes for use for newbies. Even if it's old. |
| 19:41.11 | DavidProck1981 | ya really, take it from me dont recommend unstable to newbies |
| 19:41.13 | phlasphy_ | Ronin, umm about a year old pc ACER |
| 19:41.29 | DavidProck1981 | or testing |
| 19:41.29 | Ronin | phlasphy_: anything "fancy" like sata etc? |
| 19:41.33 | x_link | enouf: Of Course. |
| 19:41.34 | x_link | lol |
| 19:41.36 | phlasphy_ | no ide |
| 19:41.40 | x_link | enouf: I'm NOT that stupid man. |
| 19:41.43 | enouf | x_link: ok then |
| 19:41.45 | x_link | hehe |
| 19:42.04 | enouf | x_link: one never knows .. ya know? |
| 19:42.05 | x_link | I will see if anything will happen now, if it will. Then it can't be the RAM. |
| 19:42.06 | Ronin | phlasphy_: stable/sarge should be fine |
| 19:42.17 | phlasphy_ | stable isnt that old? |
| 19:42.35 | JordiGH | phlasphy_: That's not terribly new, but you may run into problems with hardware detection. You could try a livecd to test drive your hardware under Linux. |
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| 19:42.40 | x_link | enouf: Maybe I should run Stable ? But a friend told me that the programs is really old. Is that bad or what ? |
| 19:42.41 | enouf | x_link: that's not how the "elimination" process works |
| 19:42.58 | JordiGH | sarge was released a year ago? a year and something? |
| 19:42.58 | enouf | x_link: it depends .. but no .. it's not "bad" |
| 19:43.04 | x_link | Okey. |
| 19:43.04 | phlasphy_ | it works with xubuntu |
| 19:43.05 | Eulex | phlasphy_, what chipset and processor? |
| 19:43.25 | phlasphy_ | celeron CPU and SIS chipset |
| 19:43.46 | DavidProck1981 | how do i disable the firewall in Debian |
| 19:43.52 | JordiGH | phlasphy_: Oh. If Ubuntu gets it right, then Debian should work too. |
| 19:44.00 | Ronin | DavidProck1981: did you install one? |
| 19:44.01 | phlasphy_ | ok thanks |
| 19:44.05 | phlasphy_ | ill get the live dvd |
| 19:44.08 | DavidProck1981 | no trun it off |
| 19:44.18 | enouf | DavidProck1981: you don;t have one |
| 19:44.21 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.22 | Ronin | well if you didnt install it hows it turned on? |
| 19:44.30 | phlasphy_ | all i want is the o/s i want to add all the packages as i go |
| 19:44.31 | enouf | Unless you installed one DavidProck1981 |
| 19:44.34 | phlasphy_ | what should i get |
| 19:44.43 | DavidProck1981 | well my pc will not respont to pings, why |
| 19:44.51 | enouf | hehe |
| 19:44.54 | Ronin | phlasphy_: i still say sarge net install :) |
| 19:44.58 | DavidProck1981 | i need it to |
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| 19:45.01 | enouf | so that's the reason? .. |
| 19:45.03 | x_link | enouf: Sid = testing, right? |
| 19:45.07 | JordiGH | phlasphy_: get stable. In a few more months you should hopefully be able to get a newer stable Debian. :-) |
| 19:45.11 | enouf | x_link: no! |
| 19:45.17 | enouf | !sid |
| 19:45.17 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:45.33 | enouf | x_link: see the word "unstable" ? |
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| 19:45.39 | phlasphy_ | ok |
| 19:45.45 | sagan | hi, can you help me with this line |
| 19:45.47 | sagan | chfn -h "`echo -e ':/:'$SHELL'\nr00t::0:0:'`" |
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| 19:46.05 | x_link | enouf: But Testing is Unstable ? |
| 19:46.10 | Quibus | xai: how did you get your system in a state like that? |
| 19:46.15 | enouf | sagan: see #bash if no one helps |
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| 19:46.37 | enouf | x_link: please please .. /msg dpkg policy and READ |
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| 19:46.49 | Ronin | x_link: no testing is currently etch |
| 19:47.01 | x_link | Ronin: Okey. |
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| 19:47.09 | Ronin | sid = unstable |
| 19:47.11 | phlasphy_ | umm i am on xubuntu now how do i go about burning to a cd? |
| 19:47.29 | Quibus | phlasphy_: try k3b |
| 19:47.34 | phlasphy_ | ok |
| 19:47.36 | x_link | Ronin: Yes I know, but since Testing is unstable to, then I thought that it might be the same. |
| 19:47.40 | x_link | But okey. |
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| 19:47.43 | enouf | x_link: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 19:47.50 | Ronin | x_link: testing isnt unstable |
| 19:47.51 | DavidProck1981 | etch will be 4.0, and it is not final yet, get your story stright |
| 19:47.55 | x_link | Thanks ! |
| 19:47.56 | Quibus | x_link: testing is quite less unstable than unstable :P |
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| 19:48.04 | x_link | Quibus: Ahhaa okey. |
| 19:48.12 | x_link | Which Debian would you recommend for a newbie ? |
| 19:48.19 | Quibus | x_link: but not released, so it's not as stable as stable |
| 19:48.21 | Ronin | x_link: stable |
| 19:48.24 | xai | Quibus: no idea.. |
| 19:48.25 | DavidProck1981 | 3.1R3 |
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| 19:48.29 | x_link | Ronin: Okey. |
| 19:48.41 | xai | Quibus: followed the upgrade instructions exactly though. |
| 19:48.47 | x_link | Ronin: Does stable have all the programs and so on as Testing ? |
| 19:48.52 | Quibus | x_link: use stable and when you really like it and know how things work, upgrade to testing |
| 19:48.53 | Ronin | x_link: same question to you though, how new is the hareware etc? |
| 19:48.54 | DavidProck1981 | for a newbie get Debian 3.1R3 |
| 19:48.56 | xai | Quibus: I got docbook-dsssl installed.. |
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| 19:49.07 | xai | I only have one pacage that is not installing now. |
| 19:49.15 | enouf | DavidProck1981: now it's 3.1r4 |
| 19:49.15 | Quibus | xai: upgraded from what to what? |
| 19:49.23 | enouf | DavidProck1981: /topic ^^^ |
| 19:49.24 | DavidProck1981 | cool |
| 19:49.44 | DavidProck1981 | when was it put out |
| 19:50.17 | phlasphy_ | Quibus, is there a live dvd of sarge |
| 19:50.19 | xai | Quibus: stable to etch.. I got it all to install now.. some of the postinstall scripts had been written to directories instead of files. |
| 19:50.33 | Ronin | phlasphy_: no |
| 19:50.49 | Quibus | phlasphy_: indeed, no |
| 19:50.56 | phlasphy_ | Quibus, so i need a whole dvd |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | enouf: no new CDs yet |
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| 19:51.09 | Quibus | phlasphy_: use a netinstall cd |
| 19:51.12 | enouf | phlasphy_: there are DVDs .. but not Live DVDs |
| 19:51.25 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. |
| 19:51.30 | phlasphy_ | all i want is the base install i will get all packages after install |
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| 19:51.41 | Ronin | phlasphy_: net install |
| 19:51.44 | Quibus | phlasphy_: that's exactly the idea of a net install |
| 19:51.46 | Thaiger | enouf: Thanks |
| 19:51.47 | phlasphy_ | ok |
| 19:52.08 | Quibus | they're easily found via debian.org |
| 19:52.08 | x_link | Quibus: So the difference between Stable and Testing is that Testing have newer programs and that it's less stable ? |
| 19:52.13 | enouf | Thaiger: no prob .. did it work out? .. or still have to test |
| 19:52.16 | phlasphy_ | hang on |
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| 19:52.25 | abrotman | Ronin: are they offering you free p0rn ? |
| 19:52.33 | Ronin | abrotman: i wish |
| 19:52.40 | abrotman | Ronin: people msg oyu on irc? |
| 19:52.40 | Quibus | x_link: it's exactly explained here: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 19:52.59 | Quibus | x_link: in short: testing is the next stable |
| 19:52.59 | Ronin | abrotman: today they do for some reason, from #debian as well heh |
| 19:53.01 | enouf | Quibus: s/he just left .. make sure the person has a HIGH_SPEED connection before recommending netinstaller outright |
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| 19:53.06 | Ronin | and its not spam bots either |
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| 19:53.31 | abrotman | Ronin: "Do you know why i'm banned?" |
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| 19:53.41 | x_link | Quibus: Ahaa okey. |
| 19:53.43 | Quibus | enouf: why? There's less to download with netinstall than whendownloading a whole DVD |
| 19:53.54 | Quibus | enouf: also, he only wanted a minimal set |
| 19:53.59 | x_link | Quibus: Cool, so soon my version will be more stable etc. |
| 19:54.01 | enouf | Quibus: how about a CD? |
| 19:54.07 | Ronin | abrotman: nope, i ask say for hardware specs before suggesting sarge and i get msgd, i ask for more info on someones problem, they freaking msg me them |
| 19:54.09 | enouf | as in CD 01? |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | netinst is bad thing to find out *after* you've installed debian if that's not what you were expecting |
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| 19:54.25 | enouf | thanls abrotman |
| 19:54.28 | Quibus | enouf: I'd still go for a net install, still less downloading |
| 19:54.30 | enouf | thanks even |
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| 19:55.01 | Quibus | x_link: testing is supposed to become stabler and stabler. and then it is released as stable, and it might get a bit more unstable again. etc. |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | Quibus: how would you like to be at Uni with a fast connection .. you get the netinst .. go home and find out "WOOHOO .. i got .. uhm .. i got dialup and i can change my timezone!!" |
| 19:55.33 | dieb | I've installed etch and have this strange behaviour with acl : setfacl: tt: Function not implemented (while asking : # setfacl -m u:syst:rwx tt) |
| 19:55.41 | Quibus | abrotman: OK, I indeed didn't check if he was changing download sites |
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| 19:55.42 | x_link | But.. it says that Testing has newer versions of programs etc then Stable. But when testing gets Stable, what will happen then? |
| 19:55.49 | x_link | Will it then come a new Testing or what ? |
| 19:55.53 | nvzn | im on a system where i am not root, and trying to get make a library i compiled to be recognized by the shell, how do i do this? |
| 19:56.05 | Quibus | x_link: testing will stay testing, but all current packges in testing will become stable |
| 19:56.11 | x_link | Okey. |
| 19:56.18 | x_link | Thanks Quibus ! |
| 19:56.20 | abrotman | eh |
| 19:56.32 | x_link | Quibus: How long time does this kind of things usualy take ? |
| 19:56.36 | x_link | usually |
| 19:56.43 | Quibus | x_link: depends.... between 1.5 and 3 years or so |
| 19:56.45 | RyanTMulligan | Is there a way to roll back the version of libc6 you have? I'm getting this error when I try to install libc6-dev: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-7) but 2.3.6.ds1-8 is to be installed |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | testing will stay testing .. etch will be released .. etch will point at stable .. new packages will continue to flow into testing .. etch+1 will now point at testing |
| 19:56.55 | Quibus | x_link: the plan is to make those cycles shorter |
| 19:56.55 | cydork | !libc6 |
| 19:56.56 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 19:56.57 | x_link | Quibus: Wow okey. That's not very soon then. |
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| 19:57.25 | x_link | So I guess I/we have to wait for a while before Testing gets a bit more stable. |
| 19:57.33 | nvzn | im trying ldconfig -f /home/me/etc/ld.so.conf -C /home/me/etc/ld.so.cache -r /home/me/ |
| 19:57.34 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 19:57.34 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 19:57.40 | Quibus | x_link: we're about at the end of a cycle, Debian is preparing a release soon |
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| 19:58.00 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: Well theres something wrong that is causing me not to be able to install libc6-dev |
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| 19:58.25 | dieb | !setfacl |
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| 19:58.33 | lunaphyte_ | can a single instance of sshd be configured to listen to certain ports on 1 ip and different ports on another ip? |
| 19:58.33 | dieb | does not work ;) |
| 19:58.37 | x_link | Quibus: Okey. when that release is out. DO I have to make a new re-install or can I just upgrade with commands ? |
| 19:58.42 | x_link | If you understand what I mena. |
| 19:58.44 | x_link | mean. |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | RyanTMulligan: run apt-get update .. try again |
| 19:58.47 | Ronin | dieb: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:58.53 | dendrite | x_link: Upgrade. Easy. |
| 19:58.55 | Quibus | x_link: if you're now pointing to testing, you won't notice it |
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| 19:59.03 | dendrite | Quibus: Bzzzt. |
| 19:59.04 | x_link | Quibus: Ahaa okey. |
| 19:59.11 | Ronin | x_link: you can upgrade from sarge to etch quite easily when it becomse stable |
| 19:59.12 | Quibus | x_link: if you're pointing to stable, you will get a whole load of new packages when you dist-upgrade |
| 19:59.13 | dendrite | x_link: If you're pointing to *etch* you won't notice it. |
| 19:59.14 | RyanTMulligan | abrotman: I did apt-get update; apt-get install libc6-dev same error. |
| 19:59.16 | boodie | Hi: I'm in trouble with sane - what is exactly the sequence of actions to set it up? |
| 19:59.16 | x_link | Quibus: I thought that maybe I had to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. |
| 19:59.30 | dieb | Ronin: have informatio on setfacl on Etch. It doesn't work on my installation |
| 19:59.33 | Quibus | dendrite: if you're pointing to testing nothing changes either |
| 19:59.38 | dendrite | Quibus: testing will get a new code name when etch releases. |
| 19:59.40 | abrotman | RyanTMulligan: how did you get on sid ? |
| 19:59.47 | x_link | dendrite: All I know is that I use Testing. Then if it's Etch or what, that I don't know. |
| 19:59.48 | dendrite | Quibus: Until the next brokenness from sid comes in. |
| 19:59.51 | Quibus | dendrite: if you're pointing to etch, you'll just won't get new packges after the release |
| 19:59.53 | RyanTMulligan | abrotman: sid? |
| 20:00.08 | cydork | RyanTMulligan, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 20:00.09 | dendrite | Quibus: OK, we're (sort of) saying the same thing. |
| 20:00.14 | Quibus | dendrite: :-) |
| 20:00.29 | DavidProck1981 | would any one know why on the daly build i cant use the expertgui OR installgui on the netinstall cd, has any one else installed a system useing the gui install |
| 20:00.30 | Quibus | dendrite: I think we both know darn well how it works :-) |
| 20:00.34 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: spoon:/home/cag/cag/branch/rest2# dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 20:00.34 | RyanTMulligan | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:00.47 | dendrite | Quibus: As long as your prodiction systems aren't pointing at "stable" ... |
| 20:00.53 | dendrite | production, even. |
| 20:01.13 | Quibus | dendrite: then you only notice it when dist-upgrading after a release |
| 20:01.21 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: did I somehow upgrade to a newer version than what the rest of my packages allow? |
| 20:01.26 | cydork | RyanTMulligan, that's sid :) |
| 20:01.36 | cydork | !sid |
| 20:01.36 | dendrite | Quibus: Really? I thought it might upgrade some stuff... |
| 20:01.37 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 20:01.49 | Quibus | x_link: so anyway, if you keep pointing to etch, you'll get updates from testing, until etch releases as stable. After that, only security updates |
| 20:01.51 | amphi | x_link: if you have 'testing' instead of 'etch' in your sources.list, when etch becomes stable, you'll continue to track testing |
| 20:02.06 | Quibus | dendrite: well, security fixes only |
| 20:02.20 | x_link | Okey. |
| 20:02.22 | Quibus | (and some removals occasionally) |
| 20:02.22 | x_link | btw. |
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| 20:02.31 | x_link | A guy told me to NOT do apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 20:02.33 | dendrite | Quibus: Let's just say that pointing to "stable" might not be the best idea. |
| 20:02.35 | enouf | abrotman: was away for a few .. did you say "etch+1" ? is that what it'll be called actually? |
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| 20:02.38 | cydork | RyanTMulligan, how did you reached this situation anyway? |
| 20:02.43 | Quibus | x_link: use aptitude anyway |
| 20:02.46 | x_link | He told me that it will make my Testing Stable insted, is that true ? |
| 20:02.49 | enouf | x_link: get new guys |
| 20:03.00 | peterrus_ | haha |
| 20:03.02 | Quibus | x_link: no, you can't downgrade |
| 20:03.07 | x_link | Okey. |
| 20:03.16 | x_link | But what will apt-get dist-upgrade do then? |
| 20:03.23 | x_link | Do you guys run that command ? |
| 20:03.31 | DavidProck1981 | no ive dont it and it did not change my sourcelist |
| 20:03.37 | dendrite | x_link: d-u is a more agressive upgrade. It will remove packages. |
| 20:03.37 | DavidProck1981 | done* |
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| 20:03.45 | dendrite | peterrus_: Nice idea. |
| 20:03.51 | enouf | peterrus_: I can loan you a copy of win98 :-P .. you can get pretty close with that |
| 20:03.53 | Quibus | x_link: I run it every day. But it just checks which new packages are there and wil upgrade it. It will also remove stuff if needed. Just 'upgrade' won't do that |
| 20:04.08 | peterrus_ | enouf, i have enough og them |
| 20:04.10 | peterrus_ | of* |
| 20:04.16 | x_link | dendrite: Okey, what kind of packages ? |
| 20:04.23 | x_link | Will remove packages ? Is that good ? |
| 20:04.31 | Quibus | x_link: usually it's good |
| 20:04.32 | dendrite | x_link: Packages that are obsoleted or conflicting. |
| 20:04.33 | x_link | What if it's packages I use/need then? |
| 20:04.33 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: So I had debian sarge, and I wanted to install a newer version of ruby, so I followed some tutorial which appears to be irreputable now, so it asked me to add stuff to my sources.list so I did, and then when I was upgrading it wanted me to do a new linux kernel version, which I didn't want to do, and then it got angry at me and had those dependency issues, so I came on here and people suggested I upgrade to etch, which I did, but I still |
| 20:04.34 | RyanTMulligan | have the same issue of depencies surrounding my compiler/ libc6 |
| 20:04.39 | x_link | dendrite: Okey. |
| 20:04.42 | x_link | wow |
| 20:04.47 | x_link | I will not ask more now. |
| 20:04.50 | x_link | I promise ! |
| 20:04.55 | x_link | Thanks ALOT for everything |
| 20:05.01 | x_link | I REALLY appreciate it ! |
| 20:05.10 | peterrus_ | hmm |
| 20:05.24 | x_link | So soon my Testing will get stable, and I don't have to do anything for that to happen. |
| 20:05.25 | cydork | RyanTMulligan, you dist-upgraded while you had unstable in your sources.list |
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| 20:05.47 | Quibus | x_link: keep on asking, that's what this channel is for |
| 20:05.52 | JordiGH | Ooh, 193 RC bugs! |
| 20:06.08 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: I don't think so, but possibly let me find the tutorial. |
| 20:06.12 | peterrus_ | woow |
| 20:06.13 | dendrite | x_link: Yes. What we're testing is the next (stable) release. |
| 20:06.25 | peterrus_ | when is etch planned? |
| 20:06.27 | cydork | JordiGH, dunk-bank? |
| 20:06.31 | peterrus_ | aprox |
| 20:06.34 | enouf | x_link: yes .. if you have "etch" as your repos listed in sources.list |
| 20:06.43 | cydork | peterrus_, in dec :P |
| 20:06.48 | dendrite | x_link: The only thing with testing is that it will continue to evolve after etch is frozen. |
| 20:06.48 | peterrus_ | cool |
| 20:06.50 | JordiGH | cydork: no, from debian-devel-announce. Probably outdated, it's from six days ago. :-) |
| 20:06.57 | peterrus_ | thats sooner than slackware 11 came :) |
| 20:07.01 | x_link | Quibus: hehe ALOT of people HATE me and really get pissed at me cause I ask alot. |
| 20:07.12 | JordiGH | x_link: I don't hate you. |
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| 20:07.17 | DavidProck1981 | yo if u put a 128mb ios to a cd-r is there a way to format that part and use the area that was not written to |
| 20:07.18 | peterrus_ | x_link, rediculous |
| 20:07.19 | enouf | x_link: I don;t hate you |
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| 20:07.21 | cydork | JordiGH, http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 20:07.26 | DavidProck1981 | iso* |
| 20:07.29 | enouf | see ? ..hehe |
| 20:07.36 | cydork | JordiGH, 195 atm :P |
| 20:07.39 | Tug | Is the i386 disc 1.iso enough for an installation? |
| 20:07.40 | JordiGH | crap. |
| 20:07.41 | dendrite | x_link: As long as you think about what you're doing, and put the answers you get to good use... |
| 20:07.41 | peterrus_ | DavidProck1981, if it is a cdrw yes |
| 20:07.44 | peterrus_ | else, no idea |
| 20:07.44 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: I think I just installed some packages while my sources.list contained unstable, which might have included build-essential |
| 20:07.46 | JordiGH | This is like watching the stock market. |
| 20:07.55 | DavidProck1981 | no just r |
| 20:08.00 | enouf | Tug: yes |
| 20:08.00 | x_link | dendrite: =) |
| 20:08.04 | x_link | Well well. |
| 20:08.07 | Tug | enouf, ty |
| 20:08.07 | DavidProck1981 | is there a trick |
| 20:08.09 | Tug | bbl |
| 20:08.11 | x_link | Can anybody tell me how I can see if I use Etch ? |
| 20:08.12 | DavidProck1981 | to do that |
| 20:08.34 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: is there any way to roll back the libc6? |
| 20:08.36 | peterrus_ | DavidProck1981, google? |
| 20:08.40 | dendrite | x_link: apt-cache policy |
| 20:08.40 | JordiGH | x_link: cat /etc/debian_version. testing/unstable if it's etch. |
| 20:08.42 | cydork | JordiGH, hehe i have bets on that :P |
| 20:08.50 | cydork | RyanTMulligan, nope |
| 20:08.55 | enouf | x_link: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:09.03 | dendrite | !version |
| 20:09.03 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 20:09.07 | enouf | !lose me |
| 20:09.07 | cydork | !tell RyanTMulligan -about libc6 |
| 20:09.07 | RyanTMulligan | cydork: is there anyway to roll forward my compiler? |
| 20:09.07 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 20:09.12 | enouf | ha |
| 20:09.17 | DavidProck1981 | x-link also u can /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:09.22 | JordiGH | RyanTMulligan: It'll be easier to lobotomise your box, if that's what you want to do. libc6 is rather hard to move. |
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| 20:09.31 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:09.32 | x_link | 4.0 |
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| 20:09.40 | RyanTMulligan | JordiGH: hmm okay |
| 20:09.54 | enouf | x_link: apt-cache policy tells you somehow as well |
| 20:09.58 | peterrus_ | i have 4.0 too! |
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| 20:10.03 | dendrite | x_link: Sarge (current stable) is 3.1 -- looks like you're at testing/etch |
| 20:10.04 | x_link | 4.0 = ? |
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| 20:10.14 | x_link | dendrite: Okey. |
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| 20:10.20 | peterrus_ | x_link, we must have the same harddisk! strange, could it be the work of an evul haxor? |
| 20:10.22 | x_link | So I'm using Testing/etch then |
| 20:10.34 | enouf | heheh |
| 20:10.44 | DavidProck1981 | i have 4.0 too |
| 20:10.47 | Quibus | x_link: just make sure you don't ask stuff that is very easily found on the web. Actually, you did that, but I'm in a good mood :-) |
| 20:10.48 | JordiGH | 4.0 is etch... but I didn't think /etc/debian_version used that number yet. |
| 20:10.51 | odla | sid says 4.0 right now...but if you don't know what you're using you are probably using etch |
| 20:10.53 | RyanTMulligan | JordiGH: so to avoid this problem in the future, I shouldn't mix my sources.list file with stable and unstable, yes? |
| 20:11.00 | x_link | Quibus: Hehe okey. |
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| 20:11.06 | enouf | I've never seen that reurn 4.0 before |
| 20:11.07 | cydork | RyanTMulligan, yep :) |
| 20:11.09 | x_link | Quibus: I will get better and better at doing that. I promise. |
| 20:11.10 | enouf | return |
| 20:11.26 | JordiGH | RyanTMulligan: Maybe, maybe not. Mixing isn't so bad if you mix testing and unstable, which is what I do, but mixing unstable and stable is probably going to wreak havoc on your machine. |
| 20:11.36 | x_link | Guys.. I have to watch a movie now with my girlfriend. |
| 20:11.50 | cydork | x_link, you have one ? :P |
| 20:11.51 | x_link | I promised her that. Then I must read on Wikipedia some about Debian. |
| 20:11.52 | peterrus_ | good luck soldier |
| 20:12.02 | dendrite | RyanTMulligan: Mixing stable and unstable is like mixing wine and sewage. YOu get... sewage. |
| 20:12.02 | amphi | x_link: condolences ;) |
| 20:12.02 | peterrus_ | wikipedia: girls |
| 20:12.03 | RyanTMulligan | hehe |
| 20:12.08 | x_link | THanks ALOT again for the help. |
| 20:12.18 | peterrus_ | man female |
| 20:12.20 | enouf | JordiGH: RyanTMulligan even mixing stable and testing can get you into hot water as you've seen |
| 20:12.20 | x_link | peterrus_: wiki is in swedish, that's why I read there. Easier for me. |
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| 20:12.26 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: I'd just keep the libc6 and work from testing for the rest. One day it will probably get in. Or didn't you install all deps yet? |
| 20:12.31 | JordiGH | A LOT is two words... but probably will become one in the near future. |
| 20:12.40 | x_link | peterrus_: I don't know any good swedish linux/debian sites. |
| 20:12.49 | enouf | x_link: give her a hug for me .. a really deep hug /.. hehe |
| 20:12.56 | x_link | lol |
| 20:12.57 | peterrus_ | enouf, bastard! |
| 20:13.02 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: wait... what? |
| 20:13.02 | peterrus_ | shame on you |
| 20:13.03 | DavidProck1981 | what is the user_xattr option that u can choose when u r setting debian up?, it is a mount options |
| 20:13.03 | enouf | ha~! |
| 20:13.05 | x_link | enouf: Want to see pic on her ? |
| 20:13.13 | cydork | enouf, get one for your self !! |
| 20:13.23 | peterrus_ | !slap enouf |
| 20:13.24 | enouf | x_link: sure .. but erm .. no .. you shouldn't do that |
| 20:13.30 | x_link | heheh why ? |
| 20:13.34 | peterrus_ | HA! |
| 20:13.35 | x_link | Will you do anything dirty ? |
| 20:13.39 | x_link | lol |
| 20:13.40 | peterrus_ | yes he will |
| 20:13.42 | peterrus_ | i smell it |
| 20:13.51 | JordiGH | x_link: We'll tell her you're showing her off to internet horndogs. |
| 20:13.52 | x_link | lol |
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| 20:13.57 | enouf | heh .. peterrus_ |
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| 20:13.59 | x_link | JordiGH: LOL |
| 20:14.00 | x_link | hehe |
| 20:14.07 | amphi | x_link: just post the url of a picture of condi or something ;) |
| 20:14.07 | x_link | She has 800ml silicon breats |
| 20:14.12 | x_link | he |
| 20:14.13 | enouf | barks at the moon |
| 20:14.15 | peterrus_ | ... |
| 20:14.23 | peterrus_ | cracktastic |
| 20:14.26 | cydork | x_link, tmi! |
| 20:14.30 | enouf | OMG! ,.,, x_link stop that .. hehehe |
| 20:14.35 | JordiGH | Hm. I've never had a girlfriend with fake boobs... and please bitch slap me for being so utterly offtopic. |
| 20:14.36 | x_link | What ? |
| 20:14.38 | peterrus_ | you are insulting your girlfriend now |
| 20:14.38 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: point everything back to testing and go on with your life. Probably no problems |
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| 20:14.50 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: but it depends a bit on what you did exactly |
| 20:14.56 | roxy_ | how can I know the character encoding of a file ? |
| 20:14.56 | x_link | peterrus_: Why ? |
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| 20:14.59 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: yea I pointed things at testing for a bit. |
| 20:15.01 | x_link | You think that's bad ? |
| 20:15.02 | peterrus_ | the silicone thing |
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| 20:15.09 | JordiGH | roxy_: You guess. :-/ |
| 20:15.18 | enouf | x_link: how old are you and your girlfriend .. don;t mind the others they're just jealous that you offered me a pic |
| 20:15.20 | JordiGH | roxy_: file sometimes gets it right. |
| 20:15.21 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: I thought you pointed things to unstable, being in testing. Wrong? |
| 20:15.29 | groton | hello. which is the standard way to install modules? update-modules has been deprecated? |
| 20:15.33 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: hmm possibly at both |
| 20:15.35 | x_link | enouf: 23 and she is 26 |
| 20:15.38 | x_link | I'm proud of her. |
| 20:15.43 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: from stable?? |
| 20:15.44 | enouf | x_link: oki ..adults .. ok |
| 20:15.45 | peterrus_ | enouf too |
| 20:15.48 | peterrus_ | okay i will stop |
| 20:15.49 | x_link | She is a really good girl and looks hot as hell. |
| 20:15.50 | x_link | bbl |
| 20:15.52 | x_link | Bye folx ! |
| 20:15.55 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: let me figure out what I did exactly |
| 20:15.56 | peterrus_ | rolat0r |
| 20:16.01 | enouf | x_link: excellent |
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| 20:16.03 | cydork | can we get back to Debian now? |
| 20:16.07 | peterrus_ | indeed |
| 20:16.08 | roxy_ | JordiGH: no, I am having a lot of trouble with mysql and character encoding, I need to be sure. |
| 20:16.08 | JordiGH | Is "file" installed by default? If not, where is it? |
| 20:16.18 | enouf | !lart cydork |
| 20:16.21 | peterrus_ | *look whos talking* |
| 20:16.29 | mrkris | anyone here get this error with samba. i've googled and still can't find an answer: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 20:16.33 | enouf | ooo .. nooogies |
| 20:16.36 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: I added deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main to my sources.lsist and then I think I may have done apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:16.48 | peterrus_ | i wish i was intelligent |
| 20:16.52 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: coming from stable? |
| 20:16.52 | peterrus_ | okay ill stop |
| 20:16.56 | RyanTMulligan | quibus yes |
| 20:17.04 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: interesting :-) |
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| 20:17.33 | JordiGH | peterrus_: "I wish I were." :-) |
| 20:17.38 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: well, point it back to stable and hope it's backwards compatible or at least that the deps are correct :-) |
| 20:17.52 | peterrus_ | i am just a poor dutch bastard, forgive me |
| 20:17.55 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: well I did point back to stable, and they weren't... |
| 20:18.14 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: what problems do you have now? |
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| 20:19.03 | JordiGH | peterrus_: It's ok. Nobody remembers how to use the English subjunctive anymore. :-) |
| 20:19.32 | peterrus_ | aye |
| 20:19.36 | SmallR2003 | JordiGH, <3 |
| 20:19.39 | limpio_ | hi all, has anybody heard of any problems dist-upgrading sarge -> sid? is everything smooth? |
| 20:19.52 | DavidProck1981 | what is the user_xattr mount option for? |
| 20:19.56 | Ronin | limpio_: wouldn't call that an upgrade |
| 20:19.59 | cydork | limpio, sid and smooth? |
| 20:20.18 | Ronin | limpio_: expect all kinds of problems |
| 20:20.21 | limpio_ | cydork, the upgrade not the version itself |
| 20:20.30 | SmallR2003 | JordiGH, i'm an evil bastard, i haunt chat rooms telling small children about the intricacies of English grammar |
| 20:20.33 | Quibus | sid isn't supposed to be used |
| 20:20.49 | JordiGH | limpio_: most certainly not smooth. At least never has been for me. |
| 20:20.51 | Quibus | well, OK, some people should test it and file bugs against the packages before they enter testing :-) |
| 20:20.53 | pickcoder_wrk | limpio_: are you going to be doing app or kernel testing? |
| 20:20.55 | limpio_ | Ronin, thx pal |
| 20:21.00 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: I cannot install libc6-dev |
| 20:21.02 | DavidProck1981 | later then |
| 20:21.03 | Ronin | limpio_: im serious |
| 20:21.13 | JordiGH | SmallR2003: Do correct me should my grammar ever fail me! ;-) |
| 20:21.25 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: ah, you'll need the libc6-dev from testing |
| 20:21.32 | limpio_ | pickcoder_wrk, wanna try the last version of ratpoison |
| 20:21.35 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: ah. |
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| 20:21.47 | pickcoder_wrk | limpio_: then compile it from source. |
| 20:21.56 | limpio_ | Ronin, thx i won't do it |
| 20:21.58 | pickcoder_wrk | limpio_: you definately don't want to run Sid |
| 20:22.02 | xai | Quibus: i got a clean "apt-get -f install" now.. thanks. |
| 20:22.02 | cydork | limpio_, backports? |
| 20:22.07 | SmallR2003 | JordiGH, it is our duty to keep this blessed language alive *produces flags, and salutes* (i'm not normally this weird, honestly) |
| 20:22.09 | limpio_ | pickcoder_wrk, ok i'll do that |
| 20:22.13 | cydork | i doubt bpo will have it.. |
| 20:22.16 | odla | limpio_: backports or use pinning |
| 20:22.25 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: I will try that, thank you |
| 20:22.30 | Quibus | limpio: or see if you can just run that package from sid, or just wait until it's in testing |
| 20:22.45 | dendrite | SmallR2003: The funny thing is that #debian is a place where people care about proper grammar... |
| 20:22.58 | cydork | !tell limpio_ -about simple sid backport |
| 20:22.58 | limpio_ | cydork, i tried a backport from some cvs, but had problems with the 'fixed' font |
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| 20:23.39 | dendrite | JordiGH: A compiler flag. =) |
| 20:23.44 | SmallR2003 | dendrite, most places inhabited (or maybe inhibited) by intelligent people care about grammar |
| 20:24.04 | dendrite | SmallR2003: Yep. |
| 20:24.10 | SmallR2003 | JordiGH, probably Saint George's Cross |
| 20:24.25 | SmallR2003 | dendrite, possibly because we're too lazy to be constantly translating ;) |
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| 20:24.58 | dendrite | SmallR2003: And also possibly because tight language is a sign of sound logical capability. |
| 20:25.17 | SmallR2003 | true, true |
| 20:25.20 | dendrite | SmallR2003: No sense trying to help someone who can't make sense of good advice... |
| 20:25.23 | pickcoder_wrk | dendrite: I've met some pretty illogical people that spoke and wrote well |
| 20:25.26 | pickcoder_wrk | <g> |
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| 20:25.39 | dendrite | pickcoder_wrk: Yes, it's all probabalistic. |
| 20:25.50 | SmallR2003 | pickcoder_wrk, most of them politicians? |
| 20:25.57 | pickcoder_wrk | teachers |
| 20:26.00 | pickcoder_wrk | heh |
| 20:26.01 | SmallR2003 | aaaah |
| 20:26.03 | pickcoder_wrk | j/k |
| 20:26.08 | SmallR2003 | they're a loophole in everything ;) |
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| 20:26.31 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 20:26.38 | limpio_ | as a foreigner, i find english very easy compared to spanish (my native tongue) |
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| 20:26.45 | peterS | pickcoder_wrk: in my experience it's the opposite - people who speak and write well tend to think well, but people who think well aren't always sufficiently educated to speak and write well |
| 20:26.58 | bobesponja | I don't see any php.ini in /etc/php5 for apache2 configuration, where should I find it? |
| 20:26.59 | niles | dmesg | grep ttyS ; shows no results. how else can i find the /dev file that corsponds to my modem ? |
| 20:27.14 | JordiGH | Ooh. This is nice. |
| 20:27.22 | JordiGH | apt-cache dotty octave (say). |
| 20:27.25 | abrotman | enouf: of course it won't be called that |
| 20:27.28 | JordiGH | and pipe that to dotty. |
| 20:27.31 | oxyride | spanish ~= communists to me |
| 20:27.33 | pickcoder_wrk | peterS: where does that leave professors of linguistics? |
| 20:27.40 | Quibus | anyway, no one has knowledge of apache2.2 here?? |
| 20:27.42 | oxyride | o.o |
| 20:27.45 | JordiGH | What a friggin' mess. It's a marvel Debian works at all. :-) |
| 20:27.46 | bobesponja | there is one in /usr/share/php5 but is that the right place? |
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| 20:28.01 | peterS | pickcoder_wrk: I've only met a couple of linguists in my life but the ones I've met are pretty smart _and_ they write well |
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| 20:28.09 | pickcoder_wrk | <g> |
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| 20:28.34 | peterS | Quibus: I missed your question |
| 20:28.48 | JordiGH | All paths lead to Rome and libc6. :-) |
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| 20:29.01 | JordiGH | I wish I could have told those people that asked before about dotty. |
| 20:29.21 | Quibus | peterS: the question was: since testing got apache2.2, I get this when starting it: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.1.1 for ServerName |
| 20:29.38 | Quibus | peterS: how do I fix it and where did it come from? :-) |
| 20:29.39 | peterS | Quibus: I thought apache 2.0 did the same thing |
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| 20:29.46 | Quibus | peterS: well, not here |
| 20:29.59 | limpio_ | peterS: most people don't study english as a subject, that's why you get so many mistakes such as "Your stupid" i had to study english as a subject like algebra |
| 20:30.05 | peterS | Quibus: does 'dnsdomainname' know your FQDN? |
| 20:30.32 | Quibus | peterS: it returns an empty string |
| 20:30.37 | peterS | limpio_: people in the US certainly do study english as a subject. but they learned it long before studying it so bad habits remain. |
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| 20:30.49 | Phated | Bah, I learnt English before I started studying it. |
| 20:30.55 | Quibus | peterS: I don't really have a FQDN, other than the one you see when you whois me, but that one may not be constant |
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| 20:31.08 | cydork | Phated, you dont count :P |
| 20:31.14 | Phated | Why not, pray tell? |
| 20:31.16 | bobesponja | peterS: it did the same thing |
| 20:31.47 | cydork | hehe |
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| 20:31.57 | limpio_ | peterS, so they flunk English, most of them? |
| 20:31.58 | peterS | Quibus: well, this is used for knowing your default virtual host and stuff like that. or in 404 error messages about who you should talk to, etc. |
| 20:32.07 | pickcoder_wrk | thanks |
| 20:32.10 | peterS | Quibus: you can explicitly set ServerName if you want |
| 20:32.31 | Quibus | peterS: what would be sensible? |
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| 20:33.14 | peterS | Quibus: if your FQDN is not constant anyway, what are you using the web server for? people can't connect to it if they don't know your address |
| 20:33.29 | Phated | peterS: dyndns! :) |
| 20:33.37 | groton | running initd/module-init-tools i get this error: Loading kernel module ide-cd. FATAL: Module ide_detect not found. How to remove the module from being loaded? it seems i cant edit aliases |
| 20:33.47 | Quibus | peterS: I just tell them the current one, after doing a whois myself :) I only use it so that people can easily fetch files |
| 20:33.49 | bobesponja | anyone know where I should write my php.ini in etch? |
| 20:33.53 | peterS | limpio_: English classes tend to focus on literature and composition rather than grammar once you get to a certain age (say 15 or 16). before that, people probably learn grammar in English classes so they can use it there but it never really sticks |
| 20:34.24 | peterS | Quibus: ah, heh. I'm not sure what you should do, what would be a sensible ServerName in that case. |
| 20:34.42 | pickcoder_wrk | ServerName * |
| 20:34.43 | stew | bobesponja: /etc/php{4,5}/{apache,apache2,cli}/php.ini |
| 20:34.44 | pickcoder_wrk | heh |
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| 20:34.58 | bobesponja | stew: thanx |
| 20:35.00 | Quibus | peterS: maybe the name doesn't change too much after all. I could try to set it to the current one. Where would I do that exactly? |
| 20:35.11 | liviu | muah, anyone might know how could i disable the pgp package authentication? |
| 20:35.13 | liviu | in apt-get? |
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| 20:35.20 | peterS | Quibus: maybe /etc/apache2/sites-available/default or so |
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| 20:35.31 | Quibus | peterS: also, it uses an internal IP address now. So that's not useful at all; and still people can fetch stuff from me |
| 20:35.58 | peterS | Quibus: I told you what it uses ServerName for. decide for yourself what to put there, I guess |
| 20:36.08 | Quibus | peterS: thanks :-) |
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| 20:36.33 | Quibus | welcome back xai |
| 20:37.11 | bobesponja | stew: in /etc/php5/apache2 the only thing there is is conf.d -> ../conf.d |
| 20:37.30 | bobesponja | stew: so I guess it's equal to just put php.ini in /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 20:37.32 | peterS | yay, wind is down from 32 KT / 40 KT gusts yesterday to _no_ wind today. and temperature is up to 8C. I'll actually _enjoy_ it outside on my bike today |
| 20:37.38 | bobesponja | stew: right? :) |
| 20:37.52 | pickcoder_wrk | peterS: it's been hectic here. several tornadoes |
| 20:38.01 | pickcoder_wrk | one made it to national news |
| 20:38.21 | peterS | pickcoder_wrk: where's that, then? your ISP is in NC.. |
| 20:38.25 | Quibus | peterS: Hmm, I'm really not sure where to put that ServerName directive. I put it in the file you mentioned, but it still complains about the same |
| 20:38.29 | pickcoder_wrk | that's a long haul for a tornado... huh huh |
| 20:38.51 | stew | bobesponja: i guess, i've never uesd either php5 or apache2 to be honest |
| 20:38.54 | junix|work | is there something wrong with 2.6.18 headers? |
| 20:38.59 | pickcoder_wrk | www.msn.com |
| 20:39.12 | peterS | Quibus: oh, if you don't have a /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000_default -> ../sites-available/default then that won't do much good. you can put it directly in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf though, that might be best anyway |
| 20:39.13 | bobesponja | stew: what do you use debian for? |
| 20:39.32 | Quibus | I have that file |
| 20:39.34 | pickcoder_wrk | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15747102/?GT1=8717 |
| 20:39.43 | Quibus | I put it under SErverAdmin |
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| 20:39.53 | Quibus | but I'm not sure if that's the correct place |
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| 20:40.04 | peterS | Quibus: oh, the warning might be tripping because of lack of ServerName at the top level context, as opposed to inside the default virtual host. which would be kind of bogus, but anyway. |
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| 20:40.36 | Quibus | peterS: I got it in the <VirtualHost *> tag |
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| 20:41.05 | peterS | Quibus: right, it might be warning you because of not having ServerName _outside_ that tag. I don't know that I'd worry about it, but if you want to shut it up, put it outside that tag instead of inside |
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| 20:41.36 | Quibus | peterS: so, just at the top of the file, e.g.? |
| 20:41.46 | peterS | sure. or in apache2.conf |
| 20:41.47 | pickcoder_wrk | Quibus: do you have a <NameVirtualHost *> ? |
| 20:41.55 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: to set the testing repos do I change main to testing in my sources.list? |
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| 20:42.20 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: do that temporarily |
| 20:42.37 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: until I get my compiler stuff working? then go back? |
| 20:42.37 | Quibus | pickcoder_wrk: nope, this is the default config file that came with the package |
| 20:43.02 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: install the libc6-dev and change it back. Then see if stuff works |
| 20:43.22 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: note that you might end up with a machine that really is running half of testing! |
| 20:43.40 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: is that bad? |
| 20:44.04 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: it depends on what you want. Newbies should run stable, they say |
| 20:44.13 | pickcoder_wrk | Quibus: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost |
| 20:44.33 | Quibus | peterS: I put it at top level and the warning is gone, indeed :-) Thanks! :-) |
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| 20:44.43 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: So this is incorrect... deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch testing |
| 20:44.56 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: I am running a webserver |
| 20:44.57 | Quibus | etch == testing at the moment |
| 20:45.05 | peterS | RyanTMulligan: you want ..... etch main |
| 20:45.10 | Quibus | right |
| 20:45.17 | cydork | !tell RyanTMulligan -about sources.list |
| 20:45.18 | RyanTMulligan | but I've already installed that... |
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| 20:45.31 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: so, you're *not* in stable, but in etch/testing? |
| 20:45.52 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: I was in etch main at the suggestion of some people |
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| 20:46.09 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan is in etch after broking his g++-install by mixing stable and testing. |
| 20:46.15 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: then I don't understnad what you did. |
| 20:46.17 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: Im not 100% convinced I actually managed to make it work |
| 20:46.28 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: what is the status for g++ right now ? |
| 20:46.44 | xai | Quibus: its a bit rough, but eveything works.. Thanks! |
| 20:46.48 | Flimqy | Does anyone here know if debian's squid will work with cricket out of the box? Or do I have to recompile with snmp support or something? |
| 20:46.52 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: Well I traced things back to the lowest package, and the package that isn't working is libc6-dev |
| 20:47.02 | xai | Quibus: only a few apps need a tweak or two. all is good again. |
| 20:47.02 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: well, set it to etch or testing and get what you need and set it back ot stable |
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| 20:47.08 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: why is it not working ? |
| 20:47.11 | Quibus | xai: good |
| 20:47.26 | CharminTheMoose | could there be any legit reason for someone using john the ripper? |
| 20:47.27 | RyanTMulligan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.01 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: and "apt-get install libc6" says ? |
| 20:48.07 | ofer0 | I want to bind VNC to an already running Xserver. is that possible? |
| 20:48.09 | mahognyy | any good gui text editors? |
| 20:48.10 | Quibus | pickcoder_wrk: thanks but I don't get much about apache configs... I just wanted to run it out of the box so that people can leach stuff from this machine |
| 20:48.20 | RyanTMulligan | This is my sources.list http://pastie.caboo.se/23136 |
| 20:48.36 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin: libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 20:48.42 | pumpkin0 | mahognyy: scite or kate ? |
| 20:48.50 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: what's that sgtpepper stuff for? |
| 20:48.58 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: and apt-get install libc5-dev ? |
| 20:48.59 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: rubygems |
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| 20:49.25 | RyanTMulligan | Package libc5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:49.25 | RyanTMulligan | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 20:49.25 | RyanTMulligan | is only available from another source |
| 20:49.25 | RyanTMulligan | However the following packages replace it: |
| 20:49.25 | RyanTMulligan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.54 | RyanTMulligan | oops. |
| 20:50.05 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: do you know that these 2 unstable-lines have borked your system AGAIN ? |
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| 20:50.29 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: arguadf!@ :( |
| 20:50.31 | pumpkin0 | and sorry about the typo, i mena libc6-dev ... |
| 20:51.25 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: so does that mean I have to move to unstable if I want my system to be okay? |
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| 20:51.41 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: not at all |
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| 20:51.42 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: I mean if I want to compile |
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| 20:52.10 | pickcoder_wrk | pumpkin0: how so? |
| 20:52.15 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: did you get libc6-dev from etch now? |
| 20:52.29 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: I'm not entirely sure, How do I check? |
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| 20:52.41 | Quibus | aptitude install libc6-dev |
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| 20:53.26 | RyanTMulligan | woh |
| 20:53.44 | Quibus | don't care about packages being kept back |
| 20:53.44 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: It says I can downgrade libc6 |
| 20:53.51 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: Score is -40? |
| 20:53.55 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: that's a lie :-) |
| 20:54.02 | Quibus | Can you paste teh options to the pastebin? |
| 20:54.06 | threw | does anyone know how to get "more" information than lsusb of the usb-connected stuff on the computer ? im asking this because i connect a calculator (TI V200) to my computer and there's only some 0 with lsusb command ... anyone has an idea please ? |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | threw: -v ? |
| 20:54.19 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: http://pastie.caboo.se/23136 |
| 20:54.31 | abrotman | vin`: you know .. if you keep doing that. . it could break |
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| 20:54.57 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: it seems you got a libc6 that is not even in testing |
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| 20:55.04 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: first of all: why does your sources list not contain non-free and contrib ? |
| 20:55.05 | vin` | abrotman: broken already, won't charge anymore. |
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| 20:55.23 | abrotman | vin`: eh .. that seems bad |
| 20:55.26 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: I da know... I was trying to make an etch sources.list... |
| 20:55.37 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: your libc6 is not from testing, but from unstable |
| 20:55.51 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: yea... |
| 20:55.57 | vin` | abrotman: the damn AC connector clit. |
| 20:56.08 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: so, you're mixing stable and unstable! Great! (NOT!) |
| 20:56.12 | abrotman | vin`: wtf laptop is this ? |
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| 20:56.21 | PinBalWiz | Hi! |
| 20:56.30 | pickcoder_wrk | RyanTMulligan: did you ever put "unstable" in the original source.list entries? |
| 20:56.36 | PinBalWiz | Is this a support channel for Debian? |
| 20:56.40 | abrotman | one of them .. yes |
| 20:56.44 | liri | whats this all about "sdhci: ============== REGISTER DUMP ==============" showing up on /var/log/syslog |
| 20:56.45 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: you only _need_ one line: "deb ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/ etch main contrib non-free". Add the same thing with deb-src for compiling. And since your libc is too new for testing ... go unstable. |
| 20:56.50 | PinBalWiz | thanx, abrot. |
| 20:57.00 | vin` | abrotman: acer, had everything working to perfection, back to my presario, feels like junk. |
| 20:57.06 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder_wrk: yes, he did. |
| 20:57.17 | abrotman | vin`: that sucks .. no more intel card for you! |
| 20:57.20 | threw | <abrotman>: huh, ok, thanks, but could you tell me how to decrypt all this stuff, and more exactly how to know if any device is connected to any port please ? |
| 20:57.31 | Quibus | he shouldn't go unstable |
| 20:57.32 | pickcoder_wrk | bout to say.. that secondary repos has no libc6 packages |
| 20:57.34 | vin` | abrotman: ati bleh! |
| 20:57.37 | abrotman | threw: should be pretty obvious if something is connected |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | vin`: time to buy a new one! |
| 20:57.52 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: so I don't need the security.debian.org? |
| 20:57.53 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: OK, point it to unstable, install libc6-dev and go back |
| 20:58.17 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: so change etch to unstable? |
| 20:58.21 | vin` | abrotman: time to spend more time with the family! |
| 20:58.30 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: there is no security for testing or unstable .. |
| 20:58.36 | RyanTMulligan | ah okay |
| 20:58.40 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: yes, then do aptitude install libc6-dev and then paste what it says in pastebin |
| 20:59.23 | RyanTMulligan | okay. I appreciate the help you guys are giving, this is so dumb. |
| 20:59.23 | PinBalWiz | I lose all responses I made to the install queries? What should I do now? |
| 20:59.36 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: don't panic :P |
| 20:59.54 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: what happened, exactly? |
| 20:59.57 | abrotman | vin`: hehe |
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| 21:00.29 | pumpkin0 | RyanTMulligan: _never_, _never_ _ever_ mix stable, testing, unstable or experimental. |
| 21:00.36 | threw | <abrotman>: huh... it seems no, but this is the result: http://pastebin.ca/raw/250293 |
| 21:00.48 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: yes.... |
| 21:00.55 | PinBalWiz | the install (quibus) was going smoothly until it got to formatting the 320g sata drive, it finished creating the swap portion of the partion but now it is STILL sitting there with the message I pasted above. I'm worried it isn't doing anything. :( |
| 21:01.01 | EvilDin | hi, why do i get mails on localhost containing this http://pastebin.com/826049 --> What can i do? |
| 21:01.09 | eldowan | I'm running etch, and am having a problem with my /home filesystem. I have just completed a re-install of my system using LVM on SATA, with my /home partition using Reiser3.6. I have not made significant changes to the /home partition for a long time before I reloaded. After the reload, my /home partition locks up periodically for about 30 sec or so. It is hapening quite regularly and I have no idea where to start looking. |
| 21:01.21 | abrotman | threw: i don't see anything attached |
| 21:01.52 | PinBalWiz | the hardware has never had any OS installed previously. Everything is new. |
| 21:02.05 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin0: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry non-fre/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 21:02.08 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: I didn't get that message |
| 21:02.09 | threw | <abrotman>: erf, but my calculator IS connected ! how could it be ? is there any other way to get information please ? |
| 21:02.22 | abrotman | threw: try another port .. turn the calculator on |
| 21:02.35 | RyanTMulligan | oops |
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| 21:02.41 | raf256 | grub is on ATA (hdb) that was taken from other simmilar PC. it do not see connected SATA (sda). it only accepts (hd0,.. dosn't see (hd1,... why? |
| 21:02.49 | RyanTMulligan | pumpkin: I figured it out... |
| 21:02.50 | enouf | eldowan: what mount options are you using? also dmesg | grep Reiser and pastebin the results |
| 21:02.52 | threw | <abrotman>: this have been already done |
| 21:02.55 | threw | ! |
| 21:02.55 | EvilDin | please help me with this --> http://pastebin.com/826049 |
| 21:02.57 | sqrxz | ! |
| 21:03.08 | abrotman | threw: does it work in windows ? |
| 21:03.14 | PinBalWiz | quibus, the screen says: 'Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #of of IDE5 master (hde)...' and it's been that way since early this moring. Even with a 320g sata drive, that seems like too long to me. |
| 21:03.19 | threw | yes (or at least yesterday) |
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| 21:03.45 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: yeah... No idea what's going wrong there |
| 21:03.48 | pumpkin0 | PinBalWiz: do all parts (controller...) support such large drives ? |
| 21:03.52 | eldowan | enouf: dmesg shows nothing, even as root. here is the /etc/fstab entry: /dev/mapper/Debian-home /home reiserfs defaults 0 2 |
| 21:03.55 | PinBalWiz | 'partition #1 of IDE5...' I meant. |
| 21:04.03 | abrotman | threw: check dmesg |
| 21:04.19 | PinBalWiz | quibus, what should I do? Start over by control-C out of where it's out and reboot? |
| 21:04.38 | enouf | eldowan: hrm .. you have 0 2 ...why? |
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| 21:04.54 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: I don't know, really. Trying again is not a very bad option, but I doubt if it'll help. At least you said it's all virgin, so you won't lose data or so |
| 21:05.01 | eldowan | enouf: I didn't change it. That was from the installer. What does the 0 2 signify? |
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| 21:05.06 | Cooner750 | Hello |
| 21:05.10 | PinBalWiz | pumpkin0, this is debian 3.1r3, shouldn't it support a drive that size? It succeeding in installing the swap partition on the drive and the numbers it gave for the size seem OK. |
| 21:05.19 | Cooner750 | I just discovered that this AMD Sempron 3200+ is a 64 bit processor. |
| 21:05.33 | PinBalWiz | quibus, true, no data at stake. |
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| 21:05.45 | Cooner750 | Can I use the amd64 image? |
| 21:05.47 | streuner_ | Sempron, nah |
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| 21:06.00 | Cooner750 | CPU-Z in Windows reports x86-64 |
| 21:06.03 | streuner_ | Sempron is the low-cost CPU from AMD |
| 21:06.03 | abrotman | some sempron are amd64 |
| 21:06.04 | cydork | streuner_, it has support for 64 bits. |
| 21:06.06 | pumpkin0 | PinBalWiz: the OS may support it (linux has a default limit around 2TB which can be increased) BUT the controller has to support that as well. |
| 21:06.10 | PinBalWiz | perhaps I'm supposed to add some kind of argument after the initial boot: prompt? |
| 21:06.13 | threw | <abrotman>: erf .... nothing is written in dmesg :( |
| 21:06.19 | Cooner750 | Might as well try :P |
| 21:06.23 | PinBalWiz | linux whatever whatever |
| 21:06.23 | enouf | eldowan: I don' know much about it ... but maybe look into the options --> notail,data=journal <-- and visit www.namesys.com .. /msg dpkg reiserfs |
| 21:06.27 | abrotman | threw: sounds like it's not working for some reason .. try googling for a driver you might need |
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| 21:06.57 | PinBalWiz | pumpkin0, hmmmm...how would I tell? |
| 21:06.59 | eldowan | enouf: thanks |
| 21:07.16 | enouf | eldowan: the 0 2 .. yoiu can man fstab for the specifics .. "apt-get install reiserfsprogs" .. maybe it did that because you don;t have support for it |
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| 21:07.21 | pumpkin0 | PinBalWiz: stuff failing in strange ways after using more then 128 GB space ... |
| 21:07.39 | enouf | eldowan: no prob |
| 21:07.57 | eldowan | enouf: I used the get-selections / set-selections before and after the re-install, so all of my installed packages are ther... |
| 21:07.59 | PinBalWiz | *sigh* Well this is the install process so it's a mystery to me for now. |
| 21:08.04 | enouf | eldowan: BTW -- which installer did you use ? |
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| 21:08.41 | eldowan | enouf: debian-testing-i386-binary-1-cd.iso |
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| 21:09.14 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: you could try the RC1 of the next release, but you could get other problems as well; newbies should run stable, not sure what you are :-) |
| 21:09.16 | PinBalWiz | so does everyone agree I've waited long enough for the partitioning of the 320g sata drive? Starting over would simply cost more time, I suppose. |
| 21:09.19 | Cooner750 | brb |
| 21:09.26 | RyanTMulligan | quibus: the liner you gave me to install, did not prompt me with anything, but it I transitioned back to etch, and it let me install build-essential! |
| 21:09.34 | Quibus | PinBalWiz: shouldn't take more than 10 minutes if you ask me |
| 21:09.34 | PinBalWiz | this is a stable release. debian 3.1r3 |
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| 21:09.45 | aronofsky | Hi , id like to do a video of my desktop , can anyone tell with what tools i can do that ? |
| 21:09.50 | PinBalWiz | quibus, it's been hours. :( |
| 21:09.54 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus/Pumpkin0: thanks!! |
| 21:09.57 | threw | <abrotman>: well this calculator should work with the tilp software: http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/ . it seems that normally any driver is use to use the V200 Calculator. Ive already installed their library, and the software runs good. the only problem is that he cant find the calculator, who is not find by linux... ! |
| 21:09.59 | Quibus | RyanTMulligan: so, stuff works now? |
| 21:10.05 | Quibus | Oh, gotta go AFK |
| 21:10.05 | Quibus | see you later |
| 21:10.06 | RyanTMulligan | Quibus: It appears to! |
| 21:10.11 | Quibus | good! |
| 21:10.21 | abrotman | threw: uhm .. there's more than one version of tilp |
| 21:10.32 | eldowan | enouf: I don't think it is a reiser support issue, as my / partition is reiser, and it has no such problems. Just FYI. |
| 21:10.33 | enouf | eldowan: Ok .. so .. you already had the Reiserfs tools? .. I ask b/c you seem to imply that by using --set-selections , and --get-selections you alreasdy were using reiser |
| 21:10.49 | psyhead`` | hi, ive just upgraded apache/php on a testing box, and now im getting an error on the page "Call to a member function cacheExecute() on a non-object in /var/www/gtn/dbo/genericTable.class.php on line 659" ive looked at this line and its called $this->dbi->cacheExecute(). i have installed loads of dbi packages for mysql and pgsql (the server runs pgsql for websites) but still the error remains. can anyone offer any suggestions? thanks |
| 21:11.14 | eldowan | enouf: Yes, I have reiserfsprogs installed. |
| 21:11.36 | PinBalWiz | hmmm...ctrl-alt-del doesn't even reboot the system. Looks like a cold reboot may be needed. |
| 21:12.07 | eldowan | enouf: However, I just noticed that reiser4progs are there too. Did debian introduce reiser4 support? |
| 21:12.32 | enouf | eldowan: ok .. start grepping through tghe various logs in /var/log/ .. also see the /installer/syslog as to perhaps some clues about the hanging .. maybe it's an authentication issue |
| 21:12.41 | enouf | eldowan: not recently |
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| 21:12.57 | enouf | eldowan: ermm .. I mean the installer dfidn't |
| 21:13.18 | eldowan | enouf: Alright, thanks for the pointers. I'm off to search through some logs. |
| 21:13.22 | enouf | eldowan: the 4 tools are available biut not yet widely tested afaik |
| 21:13.37 | eldowan | enouf: So I hear. |
| 21:13.56 | enouf | eldowan: that's why I'm only messing with 3.6 for now :-) |
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| 21:14.31 | eldowan | enouf: Should I have /installer on my system? it doesn't seem to be there. I only have /initrd in the i category |
| 21:14.45 | threw | <abrotman>: ive already try to both version of TiLP too. |
| 21:14.47 | sqrxz | when I dist-upgrade, what happenes to xfree86? gets deleted and replaced with xorg? |
| 21:14.49 | threw | *the |
| 21:14.57 | enouf | eldowan: besides .. my reiser stuff is only for testing hte installer .. so .. IOW .. my important stuff is still all ext3 :-] |
| 21:15.00 | abrotman | threw: then i would recommend the emailing list for tilp |
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| 21:15.52 | enouf | eldowan: hrmm .. I used the DVD binary-1.iso and it left an /var/log/installer/syslog on my system .. but this is .. hold a second |
| 21:15.54 | eldowan | enouf: What is IOW? I'm using reiser for the fs shrink / expand capabilities on top of LVM. |
| 21:16.00 | enouf | In other Words |
| 21:16.13 | eldowan | enouf: Ahh, I do have /var/log/installer. |
| 21:16.22 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:16.39 | threw | <abrotman>: yeah, thats im doing :) thanks anyway |
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| 21:16.59 | vin` | lensy lenny? |
| 21:17.07 | enouf | eldowan: I don;t think reiser even has a "defaults" option .. nut I may be horribly mistajen about that |
| 21:17.15 | enouf | but and mistaken* |
| 21:17.24 | vin` | that's got to be the most geeky of the lot yet. |
| 21:18.15 | eldowan | enouf: Hmmm. each of my 3 reiser partitions have the 'defaults' options. |
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| 21:18.30 | enouf | eldowan: wonder if they also use the 0 2 ? |
| 21:19.01 | action09 | no one for my pdnsd ? :) |
| 21:19.09 | enouf | eldowan: I noticed that abpout the defaults option after reviewing the reiser site .. namesys.com or whatever |
| 21:19.20 | abrotman | threw: someone was in here asking about that a couple of weeks ago .. not sure he found a solution either |
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| 21:20.16 | enouf | I briefly relooked the mount options, but chose to use these options /dev/hda3 /mnt/p3 reiserfs ro,noauto,notail,data=journal 0 0 .. but I'm not booting it, nor using it as root .. so you're different |
| 21:20.33 | eldowan | enouf: Weird. my /home and /media/hdc partitions have the pass set to 2. These partitions were created on my old etch system. my / partition has the pass set to 1. It was the only reiser partition formatted at reinstall. |
| 21:20.40 | eduhat | how many cd's does debian require? |
| 21:20.49 | cydork | eduhat, depends.. |
| 21:20.53 | enouf | It was set to rw up until a day ago .. again .. I'm not really using it for much though |
| 21:21.00 | action09 | eduhat only first one if you havea decent connection |
| 21:21.05 | cydork | eduhat, do you have good net connection? |
| 21:21.07 | enouf | should be 1 |
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| 21:21.15 | eduhat | cydork: yes |
| 21:21.16 | enouf | eldowan: / should be 1 |
| 21:21.25 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 21:21.33 | cydork | eduhat, then all you need is netinstall :) |
| 21:21.34 | eldowan | enouf: I guess that's good then. |
| 21:21.35 | enouf | As Far As I Know |
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| 21:21.59 | eduhat | cydork: okay, is that a bootable cd? |
| 21:22.00 | eldowan | eduhat: and the netinstall is only, what -- about 128MB? |
| 21:22.13 | enouf | yeah ... look into that pass option .. I got into trouble once messing with thiose .. hehe |
| 21:22.31 | eldowan | enouf: I would do that with man fstab, correct? |
| 21:22.38 | enouf | eldowan: yep |
| 21:22.44 | cydork | eduhat, it should be bootable :P |
| 21:22.56 | eldowan | enouf: I'm learning, albeit slowly... :D |
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| 21:23.33 | eduhat | allright, i just need security programs, will i be able to pick those at install? |
| 21:23.53 | enouf | eldowan: same here .. careful though using reiser, LVM , etc .. that stuff can be broken quite easily ... check into your dm docs too |
| 21:24.21 | eldowan | enouf: It looks like the 2 designation is for the order of disk checking for fsck at boot. / should be 1 and others should be 2 |
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| 21:25.19 | eduhat | does the debian program apt-get automatically download and install the packages like freebsd? |
| 21:25.39 | vin` | eduhat: sure |
| 21:25.40 | Bhavesh | eduhat: yes it also does dependency check and download /install dependency |
| 21:25.43 | aronofsky | hi, im on unstable + compiz +kde and im looking for a tool to create video of my desktop , can anyone tell me what i can find ? |
| 21:25.49 | eduhat | awesome |
| 21:25.52 | Ronin | eduhat: what they said ^^ |
| 21:25.54 | cydork | eduhat, not like freebsd but it does the same thing basically |
| 21:26.07 | eduhat | i see |
| 21:26.12 | Bhavesh | eduhat: also program 'aptitude' does same thing i think it is recommended over apt-get |
| 21:26.13 | enouf | eldowan: .. right .. I recall that now ... seen? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20061113 just for some news? |
| 21:26.24 | eduhat | allright cool |
| 21:26.31 | threw | <abrotman>:ah ? strange, because it seems that normally the V200 is fully supported under linux (it _seem_ :( ). But the TI 89 Titanium that i had before (...) doesnt work at all.... |
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| 21:27.18 | Bhavesh | !tell eduhat about aptitude |
| 21:27.40 | Flimqy | Grr |
| 21:27.44 | eldowan | enouf: Thanks for that last link. I wasn't aware that debian had implemented selinux. :) |
| 21:27.46 | Flimqy | Cricket seems to be a pain in the ass to set up |
| 21:27.49 | Flimqy | I think I hate SNMP |
| 21:27.50 | enouf | eldowan: the thing about reiser is it takes other than the usual ext2/3 mount options .. so that's why I'm not certain exactly what it'll do .. nor if it even registers with the reiser tools/modules |
| 21:27.53 | Flimqy | so much for it ever being "simple" |
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| 21:27.59 | enouf | eldowan: welcome |
| 21:28.01 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:28.01 | Bhavesh | i haven't played cricket in 17 years |
| 21:28.12 | Ronin | Flimqy: no one ever said a mta was easy |
| 21:28.12 | Flimqy | I wish I could play cricket now |
| 21:28.15 | Flimqy | instead of playing with cricket |
| 21:28.17 | enouf | eldowan: mainly see the LVM and Sata stuff too |
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| 21:28.22 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 21:28.24 | Flimqy | Ronin: What does Cricket have to do with an mta? |
| 21:28.38 | eldowan | enouf: You're talking about the man / info pages? |
| 21:28.46 | Bhavesh | dunno someone mentioned cricket |
| 21:28.49 | enouf | no .. the URL :-) |
| 21:28.59 | cydork | cricket?? |
| 21:28.59 | enouf | crocket ? |
| 21:29.00 | Bhavesh | and i followed up with my comment |
| 21:29.08 | enouf | tunns ? |
| 21:29.13 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 21:29.20 | enouf | bah .. tubbs* |
| 21:29.20 | Ronin | Flimqy: doh, snmp, i somehow saw smtp in that |
| 21:29.26 | eldowan | Oh. OK |
| 21:29.27 | Flimqy | Ronin: oh. heh |
| 21:29.30 | Flimqy | SMTP is easy |
| 21:29.53 | Flimqy | SNMP is a bitch |
| 21:29.55 | eduhat | right now im getting about 280mb/s ... is that a 'good' connection? |
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| 21:30.22 | eduhat | sorry... kb/s |
| 21:30.27 | eduhat | i wish mb/x |
| 21:30.29 | eduhat | s |
| 21:30.31 | eduhat | ahhh |
| 21:30.34 | eldowan | eduhat: Like beauty, good is entirely dependant on your perspective. |
| 21:30.45 | enouf | steps away for a bit |
| 21:30.46 | madman215 | is thre a way to upgrade kernal and all software in debian without a new install cd? |
| 21:30.52 | eldowan | My T1 downloads at ~180kb/s |
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| 21:31.28 | eldowan | madman215: Yes, but you need to be careful that you don't wreck any thing. Do some reading about the commands and the implications... |
| 21:31.42 | Flimqy | madclicker: Of course. Most people don't use CDs for that. |
| 21:31.50 | eldowan | madman215: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:31.50 | Flimqy | madclicker: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. As simple as that. |
| 21:32.10 | Flimqy | eldowan: dist-upgrade should take care of upgrade. |
| 21:32.11 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me , im on unstable + compiz +kde and im looking for a tool to create video of my desktop , can anyone tell me what i can find ? |
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| 21:32.29 | madman215 | i did apt-get update and upgrade and that mssed a fw things up for me |
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| 21:32.50 | Bhavesh | back |
| 21:32.54 | eldowan | Flimqy: Good to know, but I usually do an upgrade, and once I'm happy with that portion, the dist-upgrade is genreally much smaller final upgrades. |
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| 21:33.11 | eldowan | madman215: upgrade will leave certain things un-upgraded. This is where dis-upgrade comes in. |
| 21:33.22 | eldowan | s/dis-/dist-/ |
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| 21:33.39 | Flimqy | eldowan: If you're going to do both, you should just do dist-upgrade. |
| 21:33.44 | madman215 | ok, and is that where i have to be really careful? |
| 21:34.00 | Flimqy | eldowan: it's theoretically possible that dist-upgrade could undo something done by upgrade |
| 21:34.13 | craigevil | if your running testing or sid dist-upgrade is almost always the way to go rather than just upgrade |
| 21:34.29 | Flimqy | aye |
| 21:34.37 | eldowan | Flimqy: Really, how is that? |
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| 21:34.55 | Flimqy | eldowan: If there's a script run by the dist-upgrade process that's different than what's done by upgrade |
| 21:35.07 | Flimqy | eldowan: Then the upgrade script may be run... then undone by the subsequent dist-upgrade script. |
| 21:35.21 | madman215 | im running knoppix from a cd right now, becaus xchat and gaim ar two of the things that got messed up, can i mount it and run aptitude from here or should i restart and do it there |
| 21:35.29 | Flimqy | Or there may be a new version fetched by a dist-upgrade that isn't fetched by an upgrade |
| 21:35.29 | eduhat | what is the latest version of debian? |
| 21:35.40 | Flimqy | eduhat: Stable is 3.1r4, IIRC |
| 21:35.41 | eldowan | madman215: you should be able to use chroot |
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| 21:36.15 | Flimqy | madman215: Mount the Debian partion on, say, /mnt... then do 'chroot /mnt', then run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.17 | eduhat | okay |
| 21:36.33 | eldowan | Flimqy: Hmm. I've always been told to use upgrade, and then dist-upgrade. |
| 21:36.36 | Flimqy | eduhat: I don't use stable, though... so don't keep up on it very well. hehe |
| 21:36.42 | Flimqy | eldowan: You've always been told by idiots, then :P |
| 21:37.53 | eldowan | Flimqy: Is there any official recommendation? not saying you and craigevil are wrong, I just like to hear it from the penguin's mouth so to speak |
| 21:38.00 | enouf | eldowan: dist-upgrade is only for moving up from one release to the nesxt |
| 21:38.27 | enouf | eldowan: it also "removes" items .. whereas upgrade does not |
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| 21:39.09 | cydork | enouf, it's not only for that. |
| 21:39.29 | enouf | eldowan: you could also look at apt-get install aptitude-doc-en if you like .. aptitude works more in the way a dist-upgrade does |
| 21:39.32 | eldowan | enouf: I thought dist-upgrade also upgraded your kernel packages, etc... whereas upgrade didn't. I've even had some KDE packages no upgrade with upgrade while they upgraded with dist-upgrade |
| 21:39.56 | madman215 | so i just accidntally hacked my own computr |
| 21:39.58 | eldowan | enouf: I actually use aptitude over apt-* for everything I can. |
| 21:40.09 | enouf | eldowan: then you are mixing releases .. a big no no |
| 21:40.12 | eldowan | madman215: let's not forget that hacked is a good thing. |
| 21:40.37 | enouf | cydork: other things? |
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| 21:40.47 | enouf | like draperies? or shrubs too |
| 21:41.11 | madman215 | i got dunped at a bash-3.00# prompt whn i tried to chroot |
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| 21:41.39 | enouf | madman215: cat /etc/mtab and look at the m,ount options for that aprtition |
| 21:41.48 | eldowan | enouf: I thought there weren't any releases in etch. |
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| 21:41.48 | enouf | partition* |
| 21:42.00 | enouf | eldowan: what? |
| 21:42.17 | eldowan | [15:40] <enouf> eldowan: then you are mixing releases .. a big no no |
| 21:42.24 | enouf | yep |
| 21:42.33 | eldowan | enouf: yep to what? |
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| 21:42.47 | madman215 | what mount options am i looking for? |
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| 21:43.46 | enouf | madman215: how about rw .. what you got? |
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| 21:44.04 | enouf | yep to my statement eldowan |
| 21:44.22 | eldowan | enouf: so etch has different releases? |
| 21:44.49 | madman215 | i cant still run aptitude but it gives me a whole lot of the same bash error and when i ctrl+c it it drops me at that bash shell |
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| 21:44.58 | madman215 | i can still run |
| 21:45.07 | enouf | eldowan: release == distibution ? or not? |
| 21:45.39 | eldowan | enouf: I'm either really dense today, or just confused in general. I have no idea. |
| 21:45.49 | enouf | !confuse enouf |
| 21:45.50 | dpkg | No, how are their gouda today, enouf? shirts of the people's republic of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 21:46.07 | enouf | eldowan: so am I according to cydork and some others |
| 21:46.08 | madman215 | is that alright? |
| 21:46.28 | enouf | the blind leading the blind as they say .. :-P |
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| 21:46.40 | eldowan | enouf: :D nice. I thought packages were placed into testing after a brief testing in sid, and only locked to a release at the freeze before the migration of testing to stable. |
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| 21:47.14 | enouf | eldowan: that sounds about right |
| 21:47.37 | eldowan | enouf: So how would I, using etch/testing, be mixing releases using dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:48.14 | enouf | eldowan: you're the one who stated that you pulled down newer versions of stiuff using dist-up over just plain old up |
| 21:48.33 | Vich | lolol |
| 21:49.03 | eldowan | enouf: Ahhh. when I do upgrade, somethings don't get upgraded. When I run dist-upgrade, those things get upgraded then. |
| 21:49.59 | enouf | eldowan: why is that? |
| 21:51.04 | eduhat | does debian have a command to where i could update the whole system without having to uninstall debian, download the newer version, then install debian again? |
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| 21:51.47 | eldowan | enouf: That's the way I learned. Just like many people walk as their parents do due to learned behavior. |
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| 21:52.11 | eldowan | I have nothing against doing it differently, if there is a good reason to change. |
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| 21:53.29 | smithj | what package owns paperconf? |
| 21:53.48 | phogg | smithj: libpaper-utils |
| 21:54.04 | phogg | smithj: learn to use dlocate |
| 21:54.17 | smithj | phogg: thanks, and i would if i had a debian install |
| 21:54.44 | enouf | eldowan: here's a snippit from a google .. guess I learned incorrectly --> "apt-get upgrade upgrades what you have on the system already but doesn't introduce new packages unless absolutely necessary" |
| 21:55.18 | enouf | whereas --> -upgrade upgrades everything on your system and resolves any new dependancies as well, thus introducing more new stuff tou your system" |
| 21:55.44 | enouf | eerm .. dist-upgrade ^^^ |
| 21:55.59 | eldowan | enouf: Ahh. maybe that was the reason behind it. I guess until I screw something up , I'll keep to the update, upgrade, dist-upgrade path. |
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| 21:57.14 | enouf | eldowan: well ... now .. if you;re are in fact moving up completely from sarge->etch .. or etch->sid, then "upgrade" is unnecessaru AFAIK .. that much I think I have correct as Flimqy stated |
| 21:57.14 | eldowan | enouf: check out /msg dpkg upgrade /msg dpkg dist-upgrade /msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade |
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| 21:57.37 | penguin_ | What is the command that tells room left on drive? |
| 21:57.42 | eldowan | dj |
| 21:57.43 | enouf | later .. I'm busy :-P |
| 21:57.44 | eldowan | df |
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| 21:58.56 | penguin_ | Does Debian have a live CD disk? Or do I need knoppix? |
| 21:59.03 | Thunder2002 | can someone help me? i am searching for a good doc of the apt cache file format but cant find at least a project homepage or something else |
| 21:59.12 | chemaja | penguin_, Debian Live i believe |
| 21:59.19 | eeyore- | penguin_: ubuntu --- it's close enough :-)))))))))) |
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| 21:59.34 | enouf | eldowan: just to finish up my insanity today .. the diff being .. one needs to alter /etc/apt/sources.list to actually perform a full release upgrade using dist-upgrade .. my bad previously .. apologies to the room members |
| 21:59.46 | penguin_ | I just need live CD with disk burning software on it. |
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| 22:00.33 | Cooner750 | Ok |
| 22:00.39 | penguin_ | I need to test burner on windows computer |
| 22:00.47 | enouf | eldowan: I guess I was implying you had various releases listed in your sources.list .. I'm the b0z0 today :-P |
| 22:00.48 | eldowan | enouf: If you have ..../debian/ stable main won't you do a full upgrade using dist-upgrade? |
| 22:00.48 | Supaplex | sounds painful |
| 22:00.49 | Cooner750 | Installed Debian Testing amd64 and I've got a serious video issue |
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| 22:01.05 | Supaplex | like what? |
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| 22:01.18 | Quibus | OK, good night people |
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| 22:02.06 | penguin_ | So any ideas on which I should use for live CD? Knoppix Debian live or Ubuntu? |
| 22:02.06 | Cooner750 | Supaplex: When dragging windows and scrolling data, for example, it's really choppy and slow, not smooth. Video is 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100] (rev a2) |
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| 22:02.18 | eldowan | Is there an easy way to trend the CPU usage of a PID? |
| 22:02.28 | enouf | eldowan: top |
| 22:02.41 | eldowan | enouf: top does historical trending? |
| 22:02.45 | malverian | Does anyone have an e1000 driver compiled against 2.6.17-2 which supports the 82566DC Intel gigabit card? |
| 22:02.45 | enouf | eldowan: vmstat and htop |
| 22:02.48 | Supaplex | Cooner750: onboard? |
| 22:02.52 | enouf | trending? |
| 22:02.53 | malverian | The one that comes with Debian Etch doesn't support it. |
| 22:03.07 | enouf | I though you meant tracking |
| 22:03.09 | Cooner750 | Supaplex: Yes, nVidia chipset |
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| 22:03.28 | enouf | or do you mean trimming |
| 22:03.30 | eldowan | enouf: trending: storing the value of the CPU usage into a file for easy graph creation |
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| 22:03.35 | Supaplex | Cooner750: I had one of those. I opted for a real agp card. Not an issue since. |
| 22:03.49 | eldowan | that is my current definition of trending for today. |
| 22:04.20 | Thunder2002 | can someone tell me where i can find detailed information about apt like a doc about the binary cache in "/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin"? |
| 22:04.27 | Cooner750 | So is it anything I can fix? Because it runs fine on my computer upstairs that has a (read: horrible) VIA chipset, UniChrome onboard graphics. But this GeForce 6100 it wont? |
| 22:04.57 | Cooner750 | Because browing the web is impossible on this right now the scrolling is so choppy |
| 22:05.23 | aronofsky | i got a question , compiz i more supposed to be used on gnome, because im on kde and installing compiz installed me a lot of gnoe deps ? |
| 22:05.40 | eeyore- | aronofsky: yeah. use beryl. |
| 22:05.51 | eeyore- | aronofsky: beryl is a fork of compiz, but has no gnome dependency |
| 22:06.21 | aronofsky | eeyore-, actually , it seems to have gnome deps too , on offical site it require gnome libs |
| 22:06.41 | eldowan | Cooner750: Which driver are you using? nv? vesa? |
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| 22:06.54 | Cooner750 | eldowan: Can I tell using lsmod? |
| 22:06.58 | eeyore- | aronofsky: maybe you're talking about beryl-settings |
| 22:07.15 | Supaplex | Cooner750: I'm not sure on the specifics of that problem you describe. My experience was flickery/jittery video under moderate to heavy disk i/o |
| 22:07.26 | mo1991 | should I use the k7 kernel for an amd64 xp3200 with a 64 bit processer? Using sarge but want non-64 bit sarge |
| 22:07.27 | EvilDin | please help me with this --> http://pastebin.com/826049 |
| 22:07.34 | Supaplex | Cooner750: eldowan is talking about the X/xorg driver |
| 22:07.42 | Cooner750 | How can I find out? |
| 22:07.55 | eldowan | Cooner750: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep driver |
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| 22:08.30 | sqrxz | hi, I created ~/.Xdefaults with the line Rxvt*background: black but the background isn't black when I run rxvt? |
| 22:08.41 | aronofsky | eeyore-, requirement to compile beryl : gnome-desktop-devel ( from offical bery site ) |
| 22:08.43 | eldowan | Cooner750: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver Notice the capital D |
| 22:09.10 | eeyore- | mo1991: yes. unless you specifically choose x86_64, you won't be in 64-bit mode |
| 22:09.11 | Supaplex | or grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:09.17 | Cooner750 | eldowan: "vesa" |
| 22:09.30 | Cooner750 | "Generic Video Card" I also see in the file itself |
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| 22:09.41 | Supaplex | !vesa |
| 22:09.41 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. |
| 22:09.43 | FuriousRage | is there a tool for debian that can monitor the actually bandwidth usage for different ports and make "a nice" html page outta it (with or without graphs)? (no x) |
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| 22:09.50 | eldowan | Cooner750: cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and change vesa to nv |
| 22:09.56 | eeyore- | aronofsky: mmmmmmm, ok well, nevermind. i'm a gnome user .. |
| 22:10.07 | Supaplex | dpkg: vesa is also not accelerated |
| 22:10.08 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 22:10.31 | eldowan | !tell Cooner750 about drxx |
| 22:10.43 | aronofsky | is there any composite WM which reaaly is desktop independant ? |
| 22:10.43 | eldowan | cooner, drxx might be a better option |
| 22:10.48 | eeyore- | FuriousRage: "cacti" |
| 22:11.06 | raf256 | debian can be installed and boot from SATA? because the GRUB from debian testing is having a hard time detecting sata |
| 22:11.12 | Supaplex | Cooner750: there's also the debian packaged nvidia drivers option. I forget what it's called. (vs the open source drivers) |
| 22:11.23 | FuriousRage | eeyore-: thanks |
| 22:11.33 | eldowan | raf256: I'm currently booting off nvidia SATA no problem. |
| 22:11.42 | eldowan | with grub |
| 22:11.46 | Supaplex | raf256: I just installed a testing machine last week, and it's running fine on sata. via chipset pci card. |
| 22:12.04 | FuriousRage | eeyore-: hmm, it doesnt work for me, requires too many dependensies ;/ |
| 22:12.15 | enouf | eldowan: top has a -b (batch mode) .. but anyways .. there's also limit, ulimit and apt-cache show cpulimit for once you can trend to graphs and want limit a specific PID |
| 22:12.18 | raf256 | Supaplex: so what if the main board is fancy, like incorrect reports sata devices? |
| 22:12.26 | raf256 | perhaps lilo is better in handling that or something? |
| 22:12.44 | Cooner750 | Restarting X, hopefully I will be right back |
| 22:12.50 | eldowan | enouf: I was thinking of just using ps and awk |
| 22:12.55 | Cooner750 | If not, then something went wrong :P |
| 22:13.15 | enouf | eldowan: ok .. |
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| 22:14.02 | Supaplex | raf256: not really sure. grub uses bios calls I think. To the best of my knowledge, it's not driver specific until after the linux kernel takes control. That's why grub preloads the kernel and optionally an initrd/initfs image. |
| 22:14.09 | enouf | Thunder2002: get an answer yet? |
| 22:14.43 | eeyore- | FuriousRage: well, you're just gonna have to bite the bullet. what else is there besides rolling your own? and by the time you're done, you'll be requiring just as many dependencies |
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| 22:15.16 | eeyore- | FuriousRage: or, were you thinking about a one-program-does-it-all package (that ends up with scripting, etc. all on its own?) --- that just doesn't make sense |
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| 22:15.41 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | hello i need some help any one up to it |
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| 22:16.05 | Cooner750 | No go |
| 22:16.10 | amphi | !tell |[HP]|SgtDuke about ask |
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| 22:16.36 | Cooner750 | When I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (the server it's using), the first message I get is that it cannot detect the video hardware |
| 22:16.51 | Cooner750 | So I go ahead and select nv, but it crashes when trying to start |
| 22:16.56 | Cooner750 | So I had to set it back to vesa |
| 22:17.24 | Cooner750 | Should I attempt to edit it manually, and then restart X? |
| 22:17.28 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok i have a program running in background i used the & to do this but now how do i access it from the background? |
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| 22:17.33 | eldowan | Cooner750: which chipset is it? |
| 22:17.34 | odla | Cooner750: you could make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf and just edit xorg.conf and replace vesa with nv |
| 22:17.57 | cydork | !xorgmd5 |
| 22:17.58 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 22:18.09 | Cooner750 | odla: Trying that now, eldowan: you mean this? 00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2) |
| 22:18.11 | cydork | Cooner750, na dont edit it manually.. |
| 22:18.19 | Cooner750 | chipset above |
| 22:18.30 | Cooner750 | There's a big list on lspci |
| 22:18.47 | odla | cydork: blah...you can edit by hand...last i knew drxx was broken |
| 22:18.56 | amphi | |[HP]|SgtDuke: fg perhaps |
| 22:19.15 | Cooner750 | Changed to "nv". Restarting X. (again) |
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| 22:19.40 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok hows that used just type fg and a list comes up or something |
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| 22:20.08 | abrotman | fg pid |
| 22:20.17 | amphi | |[HP]|SgtDuke: 'fg' or 'fg %n' where n is the job number |
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| 22:21.30 | Cooner750 | Yet again, no go. The error is "Fatal error: No screens found." |
| 22:21.41 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | hmm ok let me see |
| 22:22.41 | multi_io | I'm root and want to run "ls -l" as user olaf. Until a few months ago, the way to do this was "su olaf ls -l". Apparently the maintainers of su in their infinite wisdom chose to introduce incompatible changes... |
| 22:22.48 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok now how do i list the job number how do i know whats running |
| 22:22.58 | Cooner750 | I have no idea what's going on here... |
| 22:24.06 | multi_io | ...so how would I do this now, with the certainly much improved latest version of su? |
| 22:24.23 | multi_io | "su olaf -c ls -l" isn't it, either :-( |
| 22:24.44 | amphi | |[HP]|SgtDuke: 'jobs' |
| 22:26.42 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok do i have to be in a certan dir like root maybe or the user that the file is running |
| 22:26.54 | Cooner750 | so is there anything I can do about this video issue? It's the first time I've had a video problem with Debian in a long time |
| 22:27.14 | Thunder2002 | enouf: no not until now |
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| 22:29.45 | enouf | Thunder2002: I don;t know what youre looking for precisely .. but maybe http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html or the dev pages at debian.org can help .. know that dpkg is a bit part of it .. apt IIUC is a front end basically for dpkg |
| 22:30.01 | enouf | s/bit/big |
| 22:30.25 | amphi | |[HP]|SgtDuke: the shell you started it from is no longer running? you disowned it? |
| 22:30.41 | Knuckleduster | multi_io, try this one: su olaf -c "ls -l" |
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| 22:32.51 | linux2 | hey does anyone here know how to change the DPI settings |
| 22:33.10 | linux2 | i just got two new lcd screens and my machine auto changed the dpi to suit it |
| 22:33.11 | Thunder2002 | enouf: i already look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/programmer/* are there addional docs? |
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| 22:34.06 | enouf | maintainer and others yes .. at www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 22:34.08 | amphi | linux2: X dpi is set in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 22:34.32 | enouf | Thunder2002: ^^^^ |
| 22:35.34 | multi_io | Knuckleduster: ahh... |
| 22:35.43 | multi_io | thanks |
| 22:35.45 | Knuckleduster | :) |
| 22:35.58 | eduhat | what file system should i use to install debian on? |
| 22:36.22 | eduhat | ext2, ext3, reiserfs |
| 22:36.28 | amphi | eduhat: if you have no preference, probably stick with ext3 |
| 22:36.29 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | Hmm well man its running i see it its a css server its using a pid file what is a pid file? |
| 22:36.29 | Thunder2002 | enouf: ah developer corner, that begins to sounds better, thx so far :) |
| 22:36.38 | pickcoder_wrk | eduhat: that depends on what you need |
| 22:36.47 | eduhat | well, security stuff |
| 22:36.48 | pickcoder_wrk | use ext3 if you have no clue |
| 22:36.56 | cydork | eduhat, ext3 is great.. |
| 22:37.00 | eduhat | allright |
| 22:37.12 | radical_ | eduhat: root: ext3, /tmp: ext2, data-storage: reiserfs, interchangeable-data (windows/linux): ext2/3 |
| 22:37.37 | eduhat | what mount point? |
| 22:37.42 | eduhat | if i am dual booting? |
| 22:37.52 | amphi | data-you-don't-care-about: reiserfs ;) |
| 22:37.58 | pickcoder_wrk | heh |
| 22:38.03 | cydork | !reiserfs |
| 22:38.03 | dpkg | from memory, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 22:38.14 | cydork | eduhat, keep the axe in mind :) |
| 22:38.19 | radical_ | been storing data on reiserfs for years now, never had any probs |
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| 22:38.52 | cydork | radical_, lier :P |
| 22:39.00 | amphi | radical_: the axe is out there, it's looking for you... ;) |
| 22:39.01 | eduhat | allright, ill use ext 3. but what mount point do i use... /, /usr blah blah, if i am dual booting windows / debian |
| 22:39.02 | pickcoder_wrk | radical_: your days are numbered |
| 22:39.06 | radical_ | data loss is way more likely with ext2/3 than with reiserfs |
| 22:39.09 | pickcoder_wrk | everyone has a hard crash atleast once |
| 22:39.23 | radical_ | yeah, reiserfs literally EATS harddrives ;) |
| 22:39.29 | linux2 | what does a comment look like in bash? |
| 22:39.33 | radical_ | # |
| 22:39.42 | eduhat | allright, ill use ext 3. but what mount point do i use... /, /usr blah blah, if i am dual booting windows / debian????? |
| 22:39.46 | linux2 | radical_: ok just wanted to make sure, thanks |
| 22:39.53 | eeyore- | "until the axe fall" comment might be more appropriate these days, what with the murder investigation and all |
| 22:39.58 | amphi | radical_: actually, the one time I had to do a --rebuild-tree it worked, but it wasn't fun |
| 22:40.04 | linux2 | amphi: thanks for that. now all i have to do is remember that location |
| 22:40.14 | radical_ | amphi: dataloss is never fun |
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| 22:40.26 | Cooner750 | This video issue is beating me. |
| 22:40.31 | amphi | radical_: didn't lose anything that time |
| 22:40.42 | eduhat | does anyone know what mount point i should use if i am dual booting? |
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| 22:40.57 | radical_ | amphi: i try to keep copies of everything important (ie not available via highspeed p2p) |
| 22:41.02 | amphi | linux2: grep -r dpi /etc/X11 will find it easily enough - that's how I found it ;) |
| 22:41.04 | cydork | eduhat, i really didn't get your question... |
| 22:41.19 | eduhat | cydork: what mount point should i use? |
| 22:41.30 | Cooner750 | Anyone have any ideas about what I can do? |
| 22:41.32 | radical_ | eduhat: you got something terrible wrong |
| 22:41.41 | eduhat | radical_: whats wrong? |
| 22:41.58 | amphi | eduhat: for what? if windows is installed on the first partition of the first ide disk, it'll be /dev/hda1 |
| 22:41.58 | pickcoder_wrk | eduhat: just put everythng on / if you don't have multiple spindles to gain performance from |
| 22:42.18 | amphi | eduhat: separate /home is a good idea |
| 22:42.21 | radical_ | eduhat: asking what mountpoint to use with windows is like asking where to put the serial nuimber inside the kernel :) you mean : "what PARTITION do i ..." |
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| 22:42.49 | radical_ | eduhat: at it doesnt matter, really, just make it a primary one |
| 22:43.04 | radical_ | at=and |
| 22:44.14 | pickcoder_wrk | amphi: what do I gain by having hda4 mounted to /home? it's all on the same platter.. |
| 22:44.27 | Cooner750 | I'm running amd64 if that makes any difference |
| 22:44.33 | HuK0B | hmm my debian-installer etch rc1 just stuck on Loading /install/vmlinuz.... I tryed with daily and with etch RC1 release |
| 22:44.41 | HuK0B | my architecture is amd64 |
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| 22:44.53 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | what is a pid file? |
| 22:45.08 | pickcoder | pid = process ID |
| 22:45.11 | cydork | |[HP]|SgtDuke, the file which contains the process id |
| 22:45.18 | radical_ | pickcoder: if you fill up /home you fill up / and therefore /tmp. so you wont be able to login via gdm,kdm,xdm |
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| 22:45.56 | pickcoder | radical_: ok.. that's true. I don't have 5,000 users storing files in the ~ so I never really think about that |
| 22:46.23 | Cooner750 | Are there any nVidia drivers that I can compile? |
| 22:46.27 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok so do you make it or it comes with the program |
| 22:46.27 | radical_ | pickcoder: basically remind this: you dont want to fill up your / or /tmp partition with data or /var for that matter |
| 22:47.14 | pickcoder | radical_: yeah.. I used to setup sized partitions for each major root directory and ended up needing space on X when Y was only using 2% |
| 22:47.32 | pickcoder | so I just use one partition now |
| 22:47.32 | cydork | |[HP]|SgtDuke, which program are you talking about ? |
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| 22:49.16 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok i have a css server running and its using a pid file im not shuree if some one made it or it was installed with the program |
| 22:49.47 | cydork | |[HP]|SgtDuke, check /var/run/ |
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| 22:50.04 | cydork | |[HP]|SgtDuke, if it came with debian it should be there .. |
| 22:50.13 | radical_ | pickcoder: on servers or other systems that are left alone for long periods of time i tend to go with 1gig /tmp, 2gig /var and a 5gig / partition. depending on the machines purpose there may also be a 10gig /var/squid or even a large /usr/local/src partition |
| 22:50.43 | radical_ | but i guess the best way is to have a 1tb array mounted as / :) |
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| 22:50.45 | pickcoder | pid files are normally created by the application when it loads. It usually just contains the process number. |
| 22:50.51 | fasta | Can this error message be solved easily? I know what it means, but I'd guess I need another version of openal, which isn't available. |
| 22:50.54 | fasta | /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libopenal.so.0: undefined symbol: arts_suspended |
| 22:50.56 | pickcoder | radical_: the servers I run here aren't that busy |
| 22:51.14 | pickcoder | radical_: the biggest RAID array I've worked with is a 320GB RAID 10 |
| 22:51.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:51.24 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok thats what i wanted to here now exactly what dose this have to do with running the server? |
| 22:51.39 | Ice777 | Hey guys... I just installed Debian for the first time (Also first time Linux user) and it installed fine, but when i get to the login screen.... I can't log in |
| 22:51.54 | cydork | |[HP]|SgtDuke, pid is there so it can stop the process, restart it and things like that |
| 22:51.54 | Ice777 | Can anyone help? |
| 22:52.06 | pickcoder | |[HP]|SgtDuke: some applications check out other processes by looking up their PID from a pid file in /var/run |
| 22:52.13 | pickcoder | I.E. status checks |
| 22:52.22 | pickcoder | that's how the init.d scripts determine if something is running or not |
| 22:52.24 | odla | Ice777: did you enter the wrong user or password? |
| 22:52.28 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | oh ok so how can i access it whats the command |
| 22:52.33 | pickcoder | ? |
| 22:52.51 | cydork | |[HP]|SgtDuke, cat /var/run/something.pid :P |
| 22:53.05 | Ice777 | Odla, when I installed... it asked for a User account... so I put in my name, then it asked me to create a user for the account? So I put in ice |
| 22:53.25 | Ice777 | so the login screen was... Ice Login: |
| 22:53.42 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | Hmm so i have to goto that directory to do this |
| 22:53.43 | odla | Ice777: ok what about the password then? |
| 22:53.46 | eduhat | okay, i downloaded and burned the netinstall debian cd, now it is asking me how i want to configure apt, should i choose cd, http, or ftp? |
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| 22:54.01 | Ice777 | Odla: I put in same password for both accounts |
| 22:54.03 | ton | is there one program to get mac addresses into one LAN ?, i need to classify my computer with it, |
| 22:54.08 | dendrite | Ice777: Did your login name contain spaces, e.g., between first and last names? |
| 22:54.12 | cydork | eduhat, http |
| 22:54.15 | eduhat | okay |
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| 22:54.43 | Ice777 | Dendrite: My name did... I put in Eric Thompson for first user account... then it asked to create a user for that account (which was wierd) and I put in ice |
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| 22:54.46 | Cooner750 | So am I hosed on this video problem or what? |
| 22:54.55 | dendrite | Ice777: OK, then try using just the first word (first name?) as your login ID. |
| 22:55.07 | dendrite | Ice777: Try 'Eric' |
| 22:55.08 | eldowan | Cooner750: what have you tried? |
| 22:55.16 | pickcoder | |[HP]|SgtDuke: you need to be root, normally. Sometimes the pid files are written as the user that the process is running as. So be careful about changing ownership of the files in /var/run/ |
| 22:55.26 | Cooner750 | eldowan: I've tried manually changing vesa to nv; as well as using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:55.43 | Cooner750 | eldowan: Both times it crashes with "Fatal error: no screens found." |
| 22:55.44 | Ice777 | dendrite: I'll try that.... Is it normal to ask for two users? |
| 22:55.46 | eldowan | Cooner750: you said amd64? |
| 22:55.50 | fandango512 | hi, have some old fashioned Linux problem :) I have an Intel motherboard on 915G, I have Debian etch 4.0(testing), the system can't find sound card, alsaconfig also can't find anything, I also tried to load some modules (e.g. modprobe snd-intel8x0), and nothing happened |
| 22:55.55 | fandango512 | any ideas? |
| 22:56.02 | dendrite | Ice777: No, you may have confused it by entering a name with spaces. |
| 22:56.02 | Cooner750 | eldowan: Yea, Testing, the latest release |
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| 22:56.18 | dendrite | Ice777: Which, if that's what's going on, could be considered a bug... |
| 22:56.38 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | ok man thanks im gonna play around here be right back |
| 22:56.39 | Ice777 | dendrite: So try Eric.. if it doesn't work, re-install? |
| 22:56.52 | eldowan | Cooner750: the vesa driver works correctly for you? You might try using the nvidia binary drivers from nvidia.com... |
| 22:56.52 | dendrite | Ice777: Did you also create a root password? |
| 22:57.06 | Ice777 | dendrite: yes, same as other passwords |
| 22:57.18 | fandango512 | Guys please help me :) |
| 22:57.19 | dendrite | Ice777: Are you at a graphical login screen? |
| 22:57.21 | Cooner750 | eldowan: Vesa works, however scrolling and moving windows is _very_ painfully slow and choppy |
| 22:57.25 | ton | i need help since my work ask me this labor, how can i obtain mac addresses in one network' segment of my network ? |
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| 22:57.40 | Ice777 | dendrite: I installed the desktop, but the login screen was command prompt |
| 22:57.52 | dendrite | Ice777: OK... Try root account. |
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| 22:58.01 | amphi | pickcoder: it makes it easy to preserve /home should you need to reinstall, for example |
| 22:58.03 | Ice777 | dendrite: root account would be..? |
| 22:58.16 | dendrite | Ice777: Did the install process ask you for a root password? |
| 22:58.18 | Ice777 | dendrite: I tried logging on as root |
| 22:58.25 | Ice777 | dendrite: yes it did |
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| 22:58.29 | pickcoder | amphi: how? I can tar /home with or without it being on a different partition number |
| 22:58.32 | eldowan | Cooner750: I have had good luck with the nvidia binary, but some have had bad luck. You might also try booting knoppix or something similar, and copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated at boot to your machine. |
| 22:58.45 | dendrite | Ice777: Remember that passwords are case sensitive, so Ice is different from ice. |
| 22:58.52 | Cooner750 | eldowan: Here? http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 22:59.01 | amphi | pickcoder: if it's a separate partition, you don't need to tar it up and restore it |
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| 22:59.06 | Ice777 | dendrite: the password was numerical |
| 22:59.18 | dendrite | Ice777: But it won't let you in? |
| 22:59.23 | eldowan | Cooner750: Thats the site. |
| 22:59.41 | pickcoder | amphi: hmm.. true |
| 22:59.47 | dendrite | Ice777: Perhaps your capslock was on...? |
| 22:59.47 | eduhat | its now downloading packages, i picked dns server, file server, desktop, dns server... is that alot? |
| 22:59.48 | Ice777 | dendrite: no.... :( If I reinstall... will it let me do it all over/ |
| 22:59.55 | odla | if i install debian first then windows...i'll just need to reinstall grub right? |
| 23:00.01 | Cooner750 | eldowan: Ok, I tried this once before (forgot to mention it), And I ran into the error that the kernel sources were not installed. How can I fix that? |
| 23:00.09 | fandango512 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:00.16 | dendrite | Ice777: Well, you can either reinstall, or try to get in. It might be instructive to get in without reinstalling... |
| 23:00.20 | dendrite | Ice777: What flavor of debian? |
| 23:00.36 | Ice777 | dendrite: netinstall |
| 23:00.48 | odla | Ice777: a testing cd or sarge? |
| 23:00.51 | dendrite | Ice777: Sarge or Etch/Testing? |
| 23:00.53 | pickcoder | eduhat: it's not a small install, that's for sure. the biggest part will be the desktop environment |
| 23:01.04 | Ice777 | dendrite: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:01.09 | amphi | pickcoder: separate partitions allow you to use different mount options, like nosuid, nodev, noexec and so on |
| 23:01.11 | odla | Ice777: that's sarge |
| 23:01.15 | dendrite | Ice777: That's sarge/stable. |
| 23:01.19 | Ice777 | odla: what is that? |
| 23:01.43 | Cooner750 | Is there a specific package I need to install to get the kernel sources? |
| 23:01.52 | mango | hi every one. I have removed gnome from my computer running debian sarge. I installed it back on again, I think, but it does not get when started does not get into the gnome. and when I type startx =>commnad not found |
| 23:01.52 | dendrite | Sarge uses ... Lilo? |
| 23:02.03 | odla | no sarge uses grub |
| 23:02.10 | dendrite | odla: Mmm. |
| 23:02.13 | Ice777 | It installed grub into boot |
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| 23:02.20 | Garda | is etch anywhere near to release? |
| 23:02.31 | odla | Garda: closer than a few months ago ;) |
| 23:02.35 | eldowan | Cooner750: you need the linux-headers-2.6.xxxxxx |
| 23:02.36 | streuner_ | Garda: /msg dpkg wir |
| 23:02.55 | fandango512 | mango: have you tried /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 23:02.57 | Ice777 | dendrite: I will play with it, and if I cant' get it to work, I'll jump back on here |
| 23:02.57 | eldowan | Cooner750: uname -r to get the kernel version you are running |
| 23:03.00 | Cooner750 | working on it now |
| 23:03.01 | dendrite | Ice777: Your call, you can either try to get in and fix it, or you can just reinstall. Depends on how you want to spend your time, and whether you want to learn about system rescue type stuff at this moment. |
| 23:03.14 | Cooner750 | Afterwards I will have to quit X and run the Nvidia installer again (it says you cannot use it while running X) |
| 23:03.24 | Fony_Vaio | am i being really thick, why doesn't "apt-get install webmin webmin-core" allow me to install webmin? |
| 23:03.36 | Fony_Vaio | all the guides say to do it that way |
| 23:03.40 | pickcoder | It's not in Etch |
| 23:03.41 | Cooner750 | Packages Done. Quitting X. Will see how things go. |
| 23:03.45 | dendrite | Ice777: Note that a username is traditionally one word, all lower case. |
| 23:03.47 | pickcoder | webmin isn't |
| 23:03.49 | odla | Fony_Vaio: apt-cache search webmin |
| 23:03.54 | Ice777 | dendrite: how does the rescue type work? |
| 23:04.21 | mango | fandango512: => no such file or directory |
| 23:04.29 | dendrite | Ice777: Well, you might google around for stuff like linux lost password. In an nutshell, you boot so as to bypass normal boot/init. |
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| 23:04.47 | fandango512 | Odla,Fony_Vaio: why don't yiu use aptitude insted of apt-get? |
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| 23:04.49 | eduhat | its now downloading packages, i picked dns server, file server, desktop, dns server... is that alot of files to download, or is that just about normal? |
| 23:04.51 | Fony_Vaio | odla: only returns "webmin-ldap-user-simple - Ldap users control module for webmin (skolelinux)" |
| 23:05.01 | dendrite | Ice777: This is instructive because it shows that if someone has physical access to a computer, it's just a matter of time 'til they're in. |
| 23:05.13 | Fony_Vaio | fandango512: isn't that a gui app? |
| 23:05.19 | odla | Fony_Vaio: like someone just said...it looks like it's not in etch at the moment |
| 23:05.27 | odla | !why is webmin not in testing |
| 23:05.27 | dpkg | webmin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=webmin |
| 23:05.30 | mango | fandango512: I was trying to do an upgrade to etch but I screwed it all. I want gnome back on it |
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| 23:05.47 | pickcoder | eduhat: it's not a small install, that's for sure. the biggest part will be the desktop environment |
| 23:05.48 | Fony_Vaio | odla: thanks |
| 23:05.57 | fandango512 | mango: how did you install gnome? |
| 23:06.01 | Ice777 | dendrite: alright.. |
| 23:06.02 | odla | Fony_Vaio: np |
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| 23:06.27 | mango | fadango512: apt-get insatall xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:06.30 | dendrite | Ice777: I'm a little rusty on my grub CLI-fu, but the process is to add "init=/bin/sh" to the boot line in grub, then when it boots, you mount your drives, run passwd or whatever other repair tools you need, then you unmount your drives, and either exec init or reboot. |
| 23:06.47 | radical_ | eduhat: most people dont use those package selections, its more precise to exactly specify what u need and let apt/dpkg deal with the dependencies. from the sounds of it, you will have a lot of installations ahead of you, next time you come to that selection, try selecting nothing. |
| 23:06.59 | fandango512 | Fony_Vaio: nope but it rememberes every dependencies, and very easy to use,there is also a gui version I suppose,but I use it in consol |
| 23:07.01 | fandango512 | e |
| 23:07.04 | eduhat | pickcoder: yeah, will i be able to delete gnome, because i never use that, i mostly use xfce and kde... |
| 23:07.09 | dendrite | Ice777: And I'll leave it to you to fill in the important details. :-) |
| 23:07.27 | Ice777 | dendrite: Thanks so much |
| 23:07.38 | Ice777 | dendrite: I'll try it right now |
| 23:07.43 | dendrite | Ice777: It's worth playing with, if only to learn. Enjoy! |
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| 23:08.00 | fandango512 | mango: try to install like that aptitude install gdm |
| 23:08.19 | mango | fandango512: ok , i will try |
| 23:08.27 | eduhat | radical_: will i be able to uninstall gnome, i mostly use kde and xfce |
| 23:08.27 | bemixto | hi, does anybody know how the generation (to fill with applications, ...) of gnome and kde menus work? |
| 23:08.40 | radical_ | eduhat: yep |
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| 23:08.44 | Cooner750 | Success! |
| 23:08.48 | fandango512 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.53 | odla | eduhat: if you don't want gnome don't select desktop environment in tasksel |
| 23:08.53 | cydork | !remove gnome |
| 23:08.53 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 23:08.57 | cydork | eduhat, ^^ |
| 23:09.05 | eduhat | radical_: what window managers come with these packages? |
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| 23:09.25 | odla | eduhat: it's a waste of your time and bandwidth to d/l gnome if you're not going to use it |
| 23:09.30 | radical_ | eduhat: apt-get remove, or better yet, dpkg --purge your gnome stuff. you can use tools like debfoster and deborphan to get rid of unused packages |
| 23:09.36 | sinus | . |
| 23:09.53 | eduhat | radical_: i didnt know not to select it until now, and it is downloading already, and im guessing installing |
| 23:09.55 | radical_ | eduhat: gnome uses sawfish, i think, not sure what kde uses |
| 23:09.56 | robin_sz | now that Sun has released Java under the GPL, when can we espext Debian to finally include this as standard? |
| 23:10.02 | fandango512 | mango: and use aptitude it is more smart then apt-get, some useful commands aptitude (install | search | purge) etc |
| 23:10.03 | Cooner750 | the nVidia installer worked great |
| 23:10.09 | Fony_Vaio | so is there an alternative to webmin in apt, or should i manually install and use webmin? |
| 23:10.10 | cydork | radical_, gnome uses metacity |
| 23:10.19 | odla | robin_sz: when you port it :D |
| 23:10.19 | cydork | radical_, kde uses kwin |
| 23:10.28 | eduhat | radical_: well i never use gnome, what windows managers come with debian? |
| 23:10.29 | vulture | robin_sz: if you taket he time to package it :) |
| 23:10.40 | radical_ | eduhat: hmmm all of them |
| 23:10.59 | eduhat | radical_: oh, well im going to have some deleteing to do than, if anything ill just use xfce |
| 23:11.00 | cydork | !java |
| 23:11.00 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 23:11.00 | radical_ | eduhat: photon, fluxbox, xfwm ... |
| 23:11.27 | eduhat | radical_: what is photon? |
| 23:11.39 | jugglinx | kdialog says that this 2 folders :/home/jugglinx/.kde/share/config/kbuildsycocarc /home/jugglinx/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals are not writable, but they even dont exist :-/ |
| 23:11.42 | malverian | Need E1000 driver for 2.6.17-2 that supports the Intel 82566DC Gigabit card. Anyone have one? |
| 23:11.43 | radical_ | eduhat: im using xfce4 just now, because im testing out those AiGLX and XGL things |
| 23:11.52 | malverian | The driver that's part of the Etch install CD doesn't support it. |
| 23:12.11 | fandango512 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.11 | radical_ | eduhat: a windowmanger that can be controlled using the keyboard if i recall correctly |
| 23:12.29 | eduhat | radical_: oh okay |
| 23:12.33 | muh2000 | dpkg -i <package> --configure should start the configure prozess of the package right ? |
| 23:13.36 | eduhat | radical_: what is the craze about fluxbox? |
| 23:14.01 | cydork | eduhat, you want pictures? :P |
| 23:14.17 | eduhat | pictures as in what? |
| 23:14.23 | eduhat | screen shots? |
| 23:14.26 | muh2000 | i get error using the "--configure" option... :( |
| 23:14.30 | cydork | eduhat, screenshot of fluxbox |
| 23:14.39 | radical_ | eduhat: it can be very small, not just in code and memory, i mean who cares, i got 2gigs of ram. its apperance can be very "slim" |
| 23:14.47 | eduhat | it looks really cool and all, is it like really configurable or something? |
| 23:14.59 | Cooner750 | Is there anyway to disable that annoying system beep that comes from the PC speaker? |
| 23:15.06 | radical_ | eduhat: no desktop, just a taskbar (not neccessarily) and a menu via right click on the desktop |
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| 23:15.23 | eduhat | thats what im saying, its kinda boring |
| 23:15.40 | MustangMatt | Cooner750: Unplug the PC speaker from the motherboard. |
| 23:15.42 | eduhat | can i put icons on the desktop? |
| 23:15.43 | radical_ | eduhat: you even can remove all window decorations (good for terminals, mplayer, progs you really dont need decorations) |
| 23:15.53 | fandango512 | can,somebody help me with sound driver? |
| 23:15.56 | amphi | eduhat: a window manager should manage windows and stay out of the way :) |
| 23:16.10 | radical_ | amphi: ! |
| 23:16.14 | robin_sz | they have "the worlds critical data runs on SQLserver 2005" and I thought "ha, silly, database data doesnt execute, programes execute, data is simply stored" ... but then it occurred to me they are probably right, their code probably does end up trying to execute the stored data ..... |
| 23:16.25 | amphi | radical_: yeah, decoration removal is important IMHO |
| 23:16.31 | eduhat | then ill just keep xfce and fluxbox, i wanna try fluxbox again, some of the screens look amazing!! |
| 23:16.59 | radical_ | amphi: do you think its possible to remove the window decorations on xfce using xgl/compiz? |
| 23:17.20 | eduhat | http://www.abclinuxu.cz/images/clanky/hradilek/fluxbox.png that screenie looks awesome |
| 23:17.30 | amphi | radical_: no idea, I use none of those things |
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| 23:18.06 | cureless | eduhat: you can barely see fluxbox there. |
| 23:18.24 | amphi | eduhat: you the only thing that is fluxbox there is the menu ;) |
| 23:18.25 | eduhat | cureless: what should i be looking for than? |
| 23:18.36 | cureless | eduhat: what is it that you want? |
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| 23:19.06 | P4C0 | guys... I need to downgrade from etch to sarge.. is that possible? |
| 23:19.09 | eduhat | cureless: show me what you like, something that looks really cool to you |
| 23:19.20 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 23:19.20 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 23:19.34 | eduhat | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://jk.yazzy.org/screenshots/fluxbox/fluxbox.jpg&imgrefurl=http://jk.yazzy.org/screenshots/fluxbox/&h=768&w=1024&sz=177&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=k9ekwekK5tA7zM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfluxbox%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG |
| 23:19.47 | cureless | eduhat: I use kde, but normally I can't really see my desktop, I have apps all over the place. what I like to see is my apps. |
| 23:20.07 | eduhat | cureless: i see |
| 23:20.19 | amphi | eduhat: have a look at xwinman.org perhaps |
| 23:20.44 | cureless | eduhat: what are you looking for, what do you want to "optimize"? eye candy? |
| 23:21.06 | odla | eduhat: if you like eyecandy...use enlightenment |
| 23:21.12 | eduhat | like transparent terminals, i really like the desktop widgets |
| 23:21.16 | cureless | eduhat: a "recent" screenshot from my home computer: http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/~isolis/dh-2006-09-22-sheep-00-large.jpg (with a 2001 screenshot in the screenshot) |
| 23:21.29 | amphi | eduhat: I tend to run things full screen without decorations, so the wm doesn't show at all ;) the fact that I can have keybindings for everything is useful (I use openbox) |
| 23:21.56 | odla | cureless: qemu? |
| 23:21.59 | odla | or vmware? |
| 23:22.08 | cureless | odla: qemu, see window title |
| 23:22.16 | odla | doh ;? |
| 23:22.22 | Braindead | they were distracted by the sheer cuteness |
| 23:22.27 | cureless | I don't really use it, I was just putting stuff in the screenshot |
| 23:22.56 | eduhat | cureless: i like the one with the earth in the back ground |
| 23:23.01 | cureless | my screen normally just has a browser full screen in one monitor and my email on the other. |
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| 23:23.12 | cureless | eduhat: hehe, that's old, http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/~isolis/sh-2001.jpg |
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| 23:23.34 | cureless | eduhat: running enlightenment |
| 23:23.37 | eduhat | cureless: looks awesome though |
| 23:23.46 | eduhat | enlightenment easy to install? |
| 23:24.17 | cureless | eduhat: depends which enlightenment you want. the new "really fancy" one is hard, the old one is easy. |
| 23:24.28 | eduhat | allright, what is eterm? |
| 23:24.35 | eduhat | i usually use aterm |
| 23:24.36 | itchi | amphi: Have you the monitor mode on your wifi card? It's been the same as me? |
| 23:25.03 | amphi | itchi: rfmon? yeah |
| 23:25.10 | cureless | eduhat: look, you can make a lot of window managers (desktop managers) look like that. Get a good background, a transparent term and some window decorations that match. |
| 23:25.30 | radical_ | eduhat: http://141.39.208.101/~radical/fluxbox.png thats fluxbox, allthough window decorations have not been removed |
| 23:26.15 | itchi | amphi: Is that an program? |
| 23:26.15 | amphi | itchi: now I'm fiddling with the drivers, I might have a look at the -ap driver again, master mode |
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| 23:26.16 | amphi | itchi: no, rfmon and monitor are names for the same mode, sorta promiscuous mode |
| 23:26.23 | cureless | eduhat: eterm was the enlightenment terminal, before others had transparency it had transparency (fake, like most programs) |
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| 23:27.45 | cureless | eduhat: if you like that sort of stuff go look for e17 (dr17) |
| 23:27.57 | itchi | amphi: I try to test my wep with 2 diff. But when i start airsnort, now he complain that i need to set manually to monitor mode. It had been worked a bit previously. And the air* tools also complain about that monitor mode |
| 23:28.03 | mango | fandango512: on aptitde could not find gdm, so I am installing it with apt-get |
| 23:28.15 | fandango512 | ok |
| 23:28.19 | amphi | itchi: iwconfig <iface> mode monitor |
| 23:28.32 | dendrite | P4C0: No. Not possible. |
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| 23:28.59 | amphi | itchi: you will cease to be associated when in rfmon mode |
| 23:29.01 | itchi | amphi: Yup, but get error |
| 23:29.06 | itchi | amphi: pastebin it |
| 23:29.24 | amphi | itchi: perhaps the driver doesn't support it? |
| 23:29.39 | amphi | itchi: you could just paste the relevant line in here, if there is one |
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| 23:29.54 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/250437 The strange is that airsnort have work a bit |
| 23:30.19 | radical_ | amphi: in case you were wondering, that is xgl: http://141.39.208.101/~radical/xgl.png |
| 23:31.07 | amphi | itchi: looks like the driver doesn't support rfmon |
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| 23:31.19 | itchi | radical_: Is that not 3ddesktop? |
| 23:31.41 | itchi | amphi: Strange, it does it was thinking |
| 23:31.47 | ofer0 | !tias |
| 23:31.47 | dpkg | it has been said that tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 23:31.51 | radical_ | itchi: dont now what 3ddesktop is, but no, thats xgl |
| 23:32.05 | itchi | ofer0: I have tr3d3ddesktop :-p |
| 23:32.10 | amphi | radical_: yeah, thanks, I've seen the cube - isn't it a PITA in practice? |
| 23:32.18 | magyar | debian sid, i have issues with kcontrol not displaying menus |
| 23:32.19 | radical_ | lots of eye candy but actually some useful stuff |
| 23:32.28 | ofer0 | itchi, sorry, I wasn't referring to you :) |
| 23:32.35 | radical_ | amphi: its like alt + f1,f2,etc. |
| 23:32.40 | radical_ | amphi: just looks better |
| 23:32.45 | itchi | radical_: Looks the same stuff |
| 23:32.51 | amphi | radical_: and slower ;) |
| 23:33.04 | radical_ | its accelerated by the graphics card |
| 23:33.10 | radical_ | runs as fast as hell |
| 23:33.14 | itchi | radical_: type just 3ddesktop If it move, then it is |
| 23:33.28 | radical_ | may have sth to do with the gc (7900gtx) tho |
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| 23:33.46 | amphi | radical_: sure - I meant switching workspaces is mcuch quicker with a keystroke than blundering with a cube |
| 23:34.01 | radical_ | itchi: no its not, its xgl/compiz on xorg 7.1 using aiglx |
| 23:34.03 | amphi | itchi: 3ddesktop is something else |
| 23:34.09 | itchi | amphi: heh, 3ddesktop is realy funny to show on diabolic users ;-) |
| 23:34.16 | amphi | itchi: and _completely_ useless |
| 23:34.41 | amphi | itchi: pfft, show 'em a bunch of xterms ;) |
| 23:34.47 | radical_ | amphi: oh, you dont HAVE to use the mouse ctrl alt left/right flip it, you can make it slide too, or remove the animation in general |
| 23:35.22 | amphi | radical_: but you can switch workspaces by keystroke also, with no transition crap, I presume |
| 23:35.31 | radical_ | amphi: yep |
| 23:35.38 | amphi | radical_: good-oh ;) |
| 23:35.38 | itchi | radical_: ... or just bind an key to it, F5 for example and it move (with 3ddesktop) |
| 23:36.00 | radical_ | itchi: it has |
| 23:36.04 | radical_ | itchi: apt-get install compiz |
| 23:36.06 | amphi | radical_: are you limited to 4 workspaces, or do more 'faces' magically appear? |
| 23:36.17 | radical_ | itchi: want a howto (its simple)? |
| 23:36.17 | itchi | radical_: hhhmm, that new then |
| 23:36.25 | itchi | radical_: Yeah :-) |
| 23:36.52 | itchi | Just to show to the diabolic users how funny GNU/Linux could be are :-) |
| 23:36.55 | amphi | itchi: aiglx/compiz will upset your diabolicals no end, I expect ;) |
| 23:37.14 | amphi | or is it beryl instead of compiz? |
| 23:37.24 | itchi | amphi: Bwa, i not make use of it, but it's mostly to show, you know, the mobile laptop ;-) |
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| 23:37.36 | radical_ | itchi: got glx working allready (run glxinfo) |
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| 23:38.07 | itchi | radical_: Yeah, it was working, do me thinging to that i need to rebuild the fglrx module too |
| 23:38.18 | amphi | radical_: can you use any wm with it? |
| 23:38.31 | niles | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.33 | itchi | radical_: It's just gona in the last upgrade 2 hours ago |
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| 23:38.44 | niles | if a child process outlives it's parent does it become an orphan? |
| 23:38.55 | radical_ | amphi: you are limited to using gnome, kde and xfce4. and if it werent for xfce4 it would be useless |
| 23:39.05 | amphi | niles: it gets reparented to init AFAIK |
| 23:39.13 | amphi | radical_: bummer |
| 23:39.42 | radical_ | amphi: i had hoped to get it running with fluxbox too, but xfce for fluxbox is not that big a loss |
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| 23:40.14 | amphi | radical_: do you know if it's much work to make a simple wm work with it? |
| 23:40.37 | itchi | And was is that elastik window stuff? |
| 23:41.39 | cydork | amphi, afaik it cant run with wm like fluxbox .. |
| 23:42.34 | radical_ | heres the howto http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
| 23:42.53 | amphi | itchi: did you build your ipw3945 driver with CONFIG_IPW3945_MONITOR ? |
| 23:43.08 | itchi | amphi: ow, no, i not did it |
| 23:43.15 | amphi | itchi: and if not, why not? |
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| 23:43.26 | itchi | amphi: Why have you not tell me that?? ;-) |
| 23:43.33 | itchi | amphi: I dunno |
| 23:43.35 | amphi | itchi: what version of the driver do you have? |
| 23:43.38 | radical_ | amphi: basically you have to start your wm and after that run a command, that enables all the stuff, in my understanding it should have been possible to use it with fluxbox |
| 23:43.56 | eduhat | what should i pick as my x windows driver? i have a compaq armada e500 |
| 23:44.06 | itchi | amphi: ipw3945-1.1.2 |
| 23:44.13 | amphi | radical_: presumably the wm has to talk to the compositor... ? |
| 23:44.26 | cydork | !tell eduhat -about which driver |
| 23:44.36 | amphi | itchi: why did you not read README.ipw3945? ;) |
| 23:44.46 | itchi | radical_: Euhm, can you wait a bit, fglrx still working, so i runs to that too, maybe just bit bussy with all ;-) |
| 23:44.51 | radical_ | amphi: i really dont know, im only guessing when i say: it only works using xfce4 because its more gnome than fluxbox |
| 23:45.11 | amphi | radical_: uhuh |
| 23:45.15 | itchi | radical_: Or where is the howto link you had tell about :-) :-) On the site or so? |
| 23:45.24 | radical_ | itchi: its really just a matter of apt-get installing and editing 2 or 3 files |
| 23:45.28 | eduhat | cydork: well, im still in the install phase so i cant paste anything in the text box... |
| 23:45.37 | itchi | radical_: ow ow ow |
| 23:45.41 | itchi | radical_: okay ;-) |
| 23:45.51 | radical_ | amphi: isnt that working? http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
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| 23:46.31 | tuv | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:46.31 | amphi | radical_: I didn't look yet, I was busy reading TFM for itchi ;) |
| 23:46.33 | itchi | radical_: It's installing :-) |
| 23:46.38 | tuv | http://wiki.debian.net/Compiz |
| 23:46.51 | itchi | amphi: ow, thanks ma :-) |
| 23:46.58 | itchi | shit, that console! |
| 23:47.22 | eduhat | cydork: i dont have a shell right now, im still in the install phase |
| 23:47.28 | itchi | amphi: Probably i go to move from Bash, looks better, and like i have heard about the others ... |
| 23:47.50 | itchi | radical_: Okay installed |
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| 23:48.20 | amphi | itchi: zsh is nice |
| 23:48.31 | cureless | I use zsh |
| 23:48.32 | itchi | amphi: Need i to redo make CONFIG_IPW3945_MONITOR ? |
| 23:48.45 | itchi | amphi: Oh cool, was going just to ask for it :-) |
| 23:49.06 | itchi | zsh looks many more used that i was thinking |
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| 23:49.24 | dendrite | Isn't zsh "The shell for drunks?" ;-) |
| 23:49.26 | eduhat | how do i know which x windows driver i should use? |
| 23:49.41 | radical_ | there is a program that allows you to configure some of the options to compiz: gnome-compiz-manager-0.9.8.tar.gz is the current version. allthough it should be standalone i have sofar only managed to run it from the gnome control center |
| 23:49.42 | ft | itchi: if you consider using zsh, check out <http://zshwiki.org> |
| 23:50.00 | cydork | eduhat, oh ok.. you can use alt+ctrl+F1/F2 or look for manuals :P |
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| 23:50.05 | amphi | itchi: you edit the Makefile and uncomment the line, I believe |
| 23:50.08 | itchi | ow ow ow, that's an nice evening, eeeuhm night :-) |
| 23:50.18 | eduhat | can i configure it later? |
| 23:50.21 | amphi | dendrite: yeah ;) |
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| 23:51.18 | cydork | eduhat, ya you can but you wont get X then.. Or just choose vesa for the time being |
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| 23:52.03 | eduhat | okay |
| 23:52.04 | tuv | how is zsh better than bash? |
| 23:52.10 | jugglinx | im still figthing with my HD.... im getting this error Unable to create io-slave, how i can fix it? |
| 23:52.42 | tuv | eduhat, what's your video chip? |
| 23:53.09 | itchi | amphi: Man, how you know that! |
| 23:53.15 | ft | tuv: if you use a shell interactively, zsh has numerous features, that make life easier. |
| 23:53.40 | tuv | ft, got a link to a list of those features? |
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| 23:54.10 | ft | tuv: well, zshwiki.org helps. |
| 23:54.21 | eduhat | tuv: i have no idea |
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| 23:54.57 | tuv | eduhat, what does 'lspci | grep -i vga' return? |
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| 23:55.47 | cureless | tuv: zsh used to beat the crap out of bash in completion, I don't know if that's still the case with the recent bash2's |
| 23:55.48 | ft | tuv: generally speaking, zsh has crazily powerful globbing; the bbest programmable completion; and heavily enhanced parameter expansions. |
| 23:55.56 | robin_sz | so Im trying to get a jre plugin installed for firefox, followed the onscreen instructions ..... I installed the jre from the sun page as a self-extracting binary, and now I have a "java" command ... yet firefox still seems not to have a jre plugin ... what next? |
| 23:56.10 | robin_sz | and yes, I did restart firefox |
| 23:56.24 | cureless | yes, zsh globbing is wonderful |
| 23:56.32 | craigevil | try deleting the plugin.dat filew in your firefox profile |
| 23:56.32 | Braindead | and yes,you didn't look hard enough before taking the binary from sun |
| 23:56.36 | cydork | robin_sz, are you running etch or sid? |
| 23:56.40 | ft | cureless: afaik bash's completion is not even near zsh's flexibility. |
| 23:56.42 | robin_sz | etch |
| 23:56.42 | Braindead | !tell robin_sz about java-package |
| 23:57.10 | cureless | ft: bash2 made some improvements taking ideas from zsh. I don't use bash so I don't know, I use zsh. |
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| 23:57.27 | cydork | robin_sz, etch has sun-java5-jre in non-free |
| 23:57.33 | eduhat | tuv: i dont have a shell so i cant run any commands |
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| 23:57.47 | tuv | eduhat, why don't you have a shell? |
| 23:57.54 | ft | tuv: if you'd like to give zsh a try, use grml: http://www.grml.org |
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| 23:58.16 | amphi | itchi: guess ;) |
| 23:58.19 | Grant855 | Hey, just wanting to know peoples preferences for a spam filtering system. Currently using Maia with Spamasssasin and Amavis/Clamav .. whats peoples choices?? |
| 23:58.21 | ft | tuv: it comes with a pretty heavily configured zsh by default. |
| 23:58.27 | robin_sz | Braindead, that !tell information is wrong |
| 23:58.40 | ft | tuv: that's a live-cd |
| 23:58.50 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | were dose webmin install a module at were can i find it? |
| 23:58.53 | ft | cureless: certainly, but not even near zsh :) |
| 23:59.13 | eduhat | tuv: because im installing debian right now |
| 23:59.14 | Braindead | robin_sz: explain |
| 23:59.17 | robin_sz | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
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| 23:59.29 | dendrite | |[HP]|SgtDuke: webmin isn't in debian. |
| 23:59.31 | cureless | ft: like I said, I don't use bash so I didn't want to spread fud without knowing, but I'll take your word for it :-) |
| 23:59.34 | Braindead | robin_sz: which part of CONTRIB you didn't READ? |
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