| 00:00.18 | tuv | eduhat, then either wait until the installation is complete and you can boot to your installed debian system and access a shell, or hit <alt>+F2 for a simple shell while installing |
| 00:00.21 | ft | cureless: I don't use it myself. I've read a book that discusses both bash and zsh. that's all :) |
| 00:00.31 | ft | s,it,bash, |
| 00:00.46 | robin_sz | Braindead, what is contrib? |
| 00:00.59 | Braindead | !tell robin_sz about contrib |
| 00:01.10 | ft | cureless: /bin/sh is dash on most of my systems :) |
| 00:01.26 | cureless | ft: I don't go that far. |
| 00:01.54 | robin_sz | oh, right |
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| 00:02.10 | robin_sz | so I just add "http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable]" to apt-sources then .. easy |
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| 00:02.36 | jordanb | Hi, what is the kosher and proper way to deal with the lack of an /etc/init.d/rc.local in stable? |
| 00:02.36 | Braindead | no. so you read again and try to understand .. easy |
| 00:02.39 | tuv | eduhat, and you can always open up your system and look for your graphics chip |
| 00:03.04 | Braindead | dpkg: contrib? |
| 00:03.04 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 00:03.23 | cydork | Braindead, no need for java-package nowdays.. sun jre is in non free.. |
| 00:03.24 | Braindead | robin_sz: read it again. slowyly. all of it. aloud |
| 00:03.33 | itchi | amphi: He still complain about it |
| 00:03.46 | Braindead | cydork: the guy already got the binary from sun,he might as well try and use it. btw did the packaged jre reach etch ? |
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| 00:03.53 | predder | is 2.6.17-2 going to be the base kernel for etch? |
| 00:03.54 | amphi | itchi: you did do make clean before make? |
| 00:04.02 | tuv | Braindead, yes |
| 00:04.11 | cydork | !info sun-java5-jre etch |
| 00:04.18 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-08-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7279 kB, Installed size: 15924 kB |
| 00:04.29 | amphi | itchi: and obviously remove and reinsert the module after installing it? |
| 00:04.36 | robin_sz | not only did I get the sun binary installer it installed .. and I now have a "java" command ... |
| 00:04.36 | Braindead | jolly good. something tells me he hasn't got non-free on his sources |
| 00:05.05 | robin_sz | my sources are the standard Etch dist sources ... |
| 00:05.23 | itchi | amphi: I have reboot the laptop, to be sure, the module wanted not to unload |
| 00:05.33 | predder | !kernel |
| 00:05.35 | robin_sz | wouldnt including the various optional sources commented out be a good plan? as standard? |
| 00:05.35 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.2, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc5-git7, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc5-mm2 |
| 00:05.45 | tuv | robin_sz, you have to add non-free to your sources to be able to install sun's java off debian |
| 00:05.47 | amphi | itchi: you have to take down the interface to unload it |
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| 00:05.52 | Braindead | robin_sz: lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:05.55 | Braindead | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.59 | predder | hmm, does that mean 2.6.18.2 is going to be the base kernel for etch? |
| 00:06.02 | Braindead | what's so hard to understand? |
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| 00:06.09 | amphi | itchi: you did make clean? |
| 00:06.15 | itchi | amphi: no |
| 00:06.33 | cydork | predder, it's sure yet but they are trying for it.. |
| 00:06.42 | itchi | amphi: Im an sad old diabolic user ;-) You need to tell everything :- |
| 00:06.53 | amphi | itchi: it's a good idea ;) edit the makefile, and do 'make clean && make' |
| 00:07.15 | amphi | itchi: uhuh - they don't have google on the legacy os? ;) |
| 00:07.17 | robin_sz | bah ... cant even edit sources.list .. ok how do I change nano into vi as the default editor? |
| 00:07.20 | predder | cydork, does that mean they might go up to 19 or down? |
| 00:07.23 | cydork | predder, and that factoid talkls about the latest stable from kernel.org |
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| 00:07.56 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
| 00:07.58 | predder | oh I see. I noticed on the etch RC1 page they use 17 but say the next release should use 18 |
| 00:08.13 | itchi | amphi: It's not compatible with Intenet Explorer :-) |
| 00:08.36 | cydork | predder, 19 is bit immpossible for etch :P |
| 00:08.36 | amphi | itchi: people still use that? |
| 00:08.49 | itchi | amphi: Looks like not, see i use Debian :-) :-) |
| 00:09.46 | amphi | itchi: damn, you were the last to leave the sinking ship? ;) |
| 00:10.06 | itchi | amphi: eth2 is down and still can not unload the module. It is with ./unload ? |
| 00:10.22 | robin_sz | bah, poxy undocumented packages |
| 00:10.30 | amphi | itchi: is eth2 down? |
| 00:10.32 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, is an big ship, like i have not pay the ticket ;-) I was just under the bagages :-) |
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| 00:10.52 | amphi | itchi: how come it's eth2? you using the cardbus thing too? |
| 00:10.53 | itchi | amphi: yup is down |
| 00:10.54 | john83 | Can I do a rm -r of all dirs but /home and then do a clean install ? |
| 00:11.18 | itchi | amphi: No the build in is working :-) you had help me with it, remember?? |
| 00:11.19 | amphi | itchi: modprobe -r ipw3945 or whatever it is doesn't work? |
| 00:11.19 | cydork | john83, is it on different partition? |
| 00:11.26 | john83 | cydork: no |
| 00:11.30 | john83 | just one big / |
| 00:11.33 | amphi | itchi: so why is it eth2? |
| 00:11.39 | cydork | john83, tar it and save it somewhere .. |
| 00:11.56 | john83 | cydork: I don't have a somewhere.. |
| 00:11.57 | itchi | amphi: heh, FATAL: Module ipw3945 is in use. |
| 00:12.17 | cydork | john83, dont reinstall then :) |
| 00:12.22 | itchi | amphi: Because there is another Ethernet card build in and the ieee1394 |
| 00:12.28 | amphi | itchi: just do ifconfig eth2 down and try again |
| 00:12.41 | amphi | itchi: ah, the ieee1394 |
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| 00:13.04 | itchi | amphi: That ieee1394 i can not test, the rest works |
| 00:13.26 | itchi | amphi: heh, eth2 is realy not up :-/ |
| 00:13.44 | itchi | amphi: That's why i had quick reboot, some little time ago |
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| 00:14.30 | amphi | itchi: it should be removable then; perhaps trying setting the essid to '' |
| 00:14.52 | amphi | itchi: maybe it doesn't like being removed when it's associated |
| 00:15.18 | bokey | I can't get to load the fuse module. sh-2.05b$ sudo modprobe fuse |
| 00:15.18 | bokey | FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
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| 00:15.33 | bokey | how to get this damn thing working ? |
| 00:15.47 | cydork | bokey, which kernel? |
| 00:15.49 | itchi | bokey: Build it again, maybe with module-assistant? |
| 00:16.38 | itchi | amphi: I quick reboot, like it not want |
| 00:16.57 | bokey | cydork and itchi# I tried the ./hello /tmp/fuse -d on their webpage but fails. |
| 00:17.04 | amphi | itchi: that should not be necessary ;) |
| 00:17.17 | cydork | bokey, if you are using sarge you have to build it the module and install it. |
| 00:17.40 | bokey | cydork# yeah. I build the module. |
| 00:17.52 | bokey | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 00:18.00 | amphi | bokey: and ran depmod -a? |
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| 00:18.27 | cydork | bokey, with m-a? |
| 00:18.27 | bokey | amphi# doing that. =) |
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| 00:19.03 | bokey | cydork# ? |
| 00:19.05 | bokey | amphi# sh-2.05b$ sudo modprobe fuse |
| 00:19.06 | bokey | FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
| 00:19.16 | bokey | amphi# that's after I did "depmod -a" |
| 00:19.24 | amphi | bokey: oh, well, worth a try - where did you hide the module? ;) |
| 00:19.27 | cydork | !m-a fuse |
| 00:19.28 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i know ;-) |
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| 00:20.01 | cydork | !m-a bokey fuse |
| 00:20.01 | dpkg | bokey: to compile and install fuse for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fuse && modprobe fuse ; if this works echo fuse >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 00:20.24 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | webmin is an html adminastrator for debian :p |
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| 00:20.25 | itchi | amphi: Strange, i can still not set it to monitor mode |
| 00:20.30 | bokey | amphi# locate fuse >> /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2 |
| 00:20.30 | bokey | /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2.6.0 |
| 00:20.32 | alehap | hi all |
| 00:20.50 | PaSurf | I am getting fstab errors I think are linked to an attached scsi storage. I have formated the disks in the storage and what I thought converted it to ext3 (right now they are just showing linux) I think this is an issue with the fstab <type> option. any ideas on how this would be set up to avoid the system stopping for this error at bootup? |
| 00:20.59 | |[HP]|SgtDuke | dose any 1 know were the modules our installed at |
| 00:21.06 | amphi | bokey: that is not a kernel module ;0 |
| 00:21.11 | amphi | er, ;) |
| 00:21.34 | itchi | PaSurf: Pastebin your fstab file |
| 00:21.59 | eike | anyone else getting a invalid signature from ftp2.de.debian.org? |
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| 00:22.12 | amphi | bokey: please don't PM |
| 00:22.45 | bokey | amphi# fine. |
| 00:22.52 | amphi | bokey: I've put you on /ignore until that spam finishes |
| 00:23.01 | itchi | bokey: Which irc client use you? |
| 00:23.18 | PaSurf | how does the pastebin work again? |
| 00:23.18 | bokey | itchi# xchat |
| 00:23.21 | itchi | bokey: Maybe change that nick seperator too? |
| 00:23.32 | PaSurf | !pastebin |
| 00:23.33 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 00:24.00 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 00:24.12 | itchi | whoa, there is an new usefull item in pastebin |
| 00:24.33 | jugglinx | my system says that all my /home is read-only filesystem, which can be the problem? |
| 00:24.34 | PaSurf | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/250478 |
| 00:24.34 | amphi | bokey: the module must be called fuse.ko and be somewhere under /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 00:24.53 | eike | when updating the package-list i get a gpg error. it says, that the signature for ftp2.de.debian.org ist not valid |
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| 00:25.24 | eike | anyone else with this problem? |
| 00:25.39 | mina_linux_Tux | hey i'm only want to know is there a command like vmstat for processor stat ? |
| 00:26.09 | itchi | # |
| 00:26.16 | itchi | oeps |
| 00:26.28 | itchi | PaSurf: The device been exist? |
| 00:26.38 | PaSurf | itchi: exist... |
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| 00:26.48 | itchi | Some time that tapping is enable, while it's disabled in the xorg |
| 00:26.59 | mina_linux_Tux | ?? |
| 00:27.27 | PaSurf | itchi: the device is there and when I added a line in the fstab for the array with the <type> being ext3 I got issue at bootup |
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| 00:27.38 | bokey | amphi: thanks. it's not worth it. have to get > 2.6.9 |
| 00:27.47 | PaSurf | itchi: so I commented it out |
| 00:27.47 | bokey | itchi: thanks to you too. |
| 00:28.01 | amphi | bokey: what are you running there? |
| 00:28.12 | bokey | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 00:28.24 | PaSurf | itchi: when I do fdisk -l the device shows up, and I can mount the device too |
| 00:28.38 | itchi | PaSurf: I dunno, looks right :-/ |
| 00:28.57 | cydork | bokey, you can try the 2.6.16 from bpo |
| 00:28.59 | itchi | PaSurf: Which error get you exactly? |
| 00:29.09 | cydork | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:29.09 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 00:29.12 | bokey | amphi: i wanted to get ntfs r&w working. to get that working, have to get fuse > 2.6 . But to get fuse 2.6 working, need kernel > 2.6.9 |
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| 00:29.16 | itchi | PaSurf: Look in the log and pastevin the error? |
| 00:29.30 | mina_linux_Tux | no comment ? |
| 00:29.42 | PaSurf | itchi: the device is showing (when I do fdisk -l) under system as Linux. Do I need to specify auto or Linux as the <type> in fstab file? |
| 00:29.47 | amphi | bokey: sarge had 2.6.17 backport available |
| 00:29.58 | bokey | cydork: right. does ntfs 3.1 (so called in sarge) support atleast safe level of rw? |
| 00:30.28 | bokey | amphi: right. |
| 00:30.36 | bokey | !ntfs |
| 00:30.36 | dpkg | ntfs is, like, Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 00:30.42 | eduhat | debian is installed! |
| 00:30.57 | cydork | amphi, nope 2.6.16 and there is one for 2.6.18 but it has some probs.. |
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| 00:31.48 | cydork | bokey, i cant comment about how safe that is :P |
| 00:31.53 | amphi | cydork: apt-cache shows me a load of linux-image-2.6.17-2 stuff |
| 00:32.21 | bokey | amphi and cydork: I'll upgrade my kernel then. |
| 00:32.43 | cydork | amphi, ohh must be new... |
| 00:33.04 | bokey | cydork: hope the user space program don't crash. finger cross. =) |
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| 00:33.31 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:33.32 | PaSurf | itchi: the error I was getting is asking me to repair the filesystem. Give root password for maintenance . So I went in and commented out the /dev/sda1 section. Then was able to boot up fine. |
| 00:34.26 | bokey | cydork: what's the entry needed for 2.6.18 in sources.list ? |
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| 00:35.11 | bokey | amphi: any ideas ? what the apt repo for 2.6.18 is ? |
| 00:36.14 | amphi | backports.org |
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| 00:37.08 | amphi | bokey: you should read the instructions, there's a bit of preferences fiddling as well as editing sources.list |
| 00:37.42 | bokey | amphi: got it. =) http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 00:37.44 | eduhat | how can i get into a shell without being in kde, gnome or any of that? |
| 00:37.54 | amphi | bokey: cool |
| 00:37.58 | Phated | Ctrl-alt-F`. |
| 00:38.01 | Phated | Er, F1. |
| 00:38.29 | limpio | hi all, i'm using sarge with ratpoison 1.3, i want to compile version 1.4 (the latest). Do i have to uninstall and purge v.1.3 first and then compile the newer version? |
| 00:38.35 | eduhat | allright |
| 00:38.50 | eduhat | how would i get back into the graphical login screen? |
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| 00:39.14 | eduhat | really, i need to delete kde and gnome |
| 00:39.22 | eduhat | i need fluxbox and xfce |
| 00:39.31 | unseensoul | are there glitz and cairo packages in debian? |
| 00:39.56 | exlt | unseensoul: apt-cache search <string> |
| 00:40.13 | eduhat | how could i delete kde and gnome? |
| 00:40.23 | unseensoul | exlt, i find libraries only |
| 00:40.46 | limpio | unseensoul, $ apt-cache show <name of app> |
| 00:40.56 | eduhat | ! remove gnome |
| 00:40.56 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 00:41.19 | kozy | hey, I want to connect to my xen winxp using vnc. I've set vnc=1. No ports open. What do I miss here? |
| 00:41.47 | unseensoul | limpio, thanks |
| 00:41.59 | limpio | np |
| 00:42.07 | eduhat | how would i delete those window managers if i have to log in to them, im at the graphical login chooser now, so how would i delete kde and gnome if i have to log into them? |
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| 00:43.00 | exlt | unseensoul: according to the sites for both cairo and glitz, they are libraries... ;) |
| 00:43.08 | itchi | eduhat: Do it from the cli |
| 00:43.21 | unseensoul | exlt, great...thank you :D |
| 00:43.25 | eduhat | how can i get to that? ctrl-alt-F1? |
| 00:43.40 | itchi | eduhat: Why you ask? ;-) |
| 00:43.50 | eduhat | because im making sure |
| 00:43.57 | itchi | eduhat: ok ;-) |
| 00:43.59 | eduhat | so yes? |
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| 00:44.40 | limpio | eddul, YES, do it as root |
| 00:44.52 | eduhat | limpio: me? |
| 00:45.12 | limpio | eduhat, yes, sorry |
| 00:45.13 | cureless | eduhat: yes you |
| 00:45.20 | eduhat | now after i delete both gnome and kde, how would i get to choose my window manager? |
| 00:45.34 | eduhat | and how would i get back to the graphical login screen |
| 00:45.49 | cureless | eduhat: if it makes you feel better, you can install fluxbox first, log into fluxbox and then delete the others |
| 00:46.12 | amphi | eduhat: or openbox ;) |
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| 00:46.26 | itchi | Maybe had i better not to do the joke |
| 00:46.41 | eduhat | cureless: that would be alot better |
| 00:47.01 | muh2000 | named[25090]: couldn't add command channel ::1#953: permission denied |
| 00:47.11 | limpio | eduhat, # apt-get install fluxbox, go to the APT-HOWTO http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html and memorize it |
| 00:47.16 | muh2000 | none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied |
| 00:47.16 | acc_ | #Debian: If I want to use an SSH filesystem under Testing, should I install sshfs, shfs-utils, or something else? Thanks. |
| 00:47.51 | itchi | !seen #Debian |
| 00:47.51 | dpkg | i haven't seen '#debian', itchi |
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| 00:48.00 | eduhat | cureless: so how would i do that? |
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| 00:48.11 | eduhat | cureless: installing fluxbox then uninstalling gnome and kde |
| 00:48.21 | itchi | acc_: That's to the group you asked here? |
| 00:48.31 | cureless | eduhat: use aptitude |
| 00:48.43 | acc_ | itchi: That's to anyone in the #Debian channel, yes. ;-) |
| 00:48.45 | eduhat | cureless: how would i use aptitude? |
| 00:49.42 | eduhat | cureless: how woulc i use aptitude to get fluxbox? |
| 00:50.04 | cureless | eduhat: I can't answer every question you have, at some point you'll have to read documentation or search the web. |
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| 00:50.32 | alehap | hi all |
| 00:50.59 | alehap | i have a modem: Modem: ATI Technologies Inc ATI SB400 - AC'97 Modem Controller. how to detect it? |
| 00:51.06 | eduhat | cureless: okay, so why aptitude over apt-get? |
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| 00:51.19 | streuner_ | alehap: intern or extern? |
| 00:51.25 | pickcoder | alehap: is it listed in lspci? |
| 00:51.33 | alehap | pickcoder, yes |
| 00:51.42 | cureless | eduhat: because it's better and probably easier for you. aptitude can do everything apt-get can do and better. (even the command line) |
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| 00:52.04 | eduhat | cureless, well b4 i can do any of this, i need to get wireless working |
| 00:52.28 | streuner_ | alehap: ok, you need a driver then |
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| 00:53.01 | alehap | streuner_, tell me pls. what package need to install. |
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| 00:53.42 | streuner_ | alehap: well, some drivers are in kernel, but some aren't, you need to compile them (third party) |
| 00:54.12 | streuner_ | alehap: use 'lspci' and google for the driver |
| 00:54.19 | alehap | streuner_, ok thank |
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| 00:54.45 | streuner_ | hm, too late, dpkg dl |
| 00:55.05 | eduhat | anyone know the url in the documentation of debian for wireless network configuration? |
| 00:55.22 | streuner_ | hm, good question :-) |
| 00:55.35 | streuner_ | !wireless |
| 00:55.35 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
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| 00:56.14 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys wireless |
| 00:56.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (8): what-wireless ;; _default wireless ;; wireless ;; #debian wireless ;; wireless-more ;; seattlewireless ;; wireless-infrared/radio control ;; intel pro wireless 2100. |
| 00:56.28 | amphi | eduhat: iwconfig and iwlist and ifconfig are your friends |
| 00:56.45 | eduhat | i know, i just dont know how to use them... |
| 00:57.06 | eduhat | iwlist and iwconfig are commands not found |
| 00:57.41 | cureless | eduhat you probably want something easy to use like network-manager. |
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| 00:59.33 | Garda_ | for compiz, using an ATI video card, are proprietory drivers the only ones available |
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| 01:00.10 | amphi | Garda_: depends on the card - see man radeon |
| 01:00.31 | amphi | eduhat: apt-get install wireless tools |
| 01:00.32 | Garda_ | ok, thanks |
| 01:00.35 | amphi | er, wireless-tools |
| 01:01.06 | eduhat | okay |
| 01:01.07 | h3sp4wn | Garda: man radeon is out of date - the r300 driver supports many more drivers |
| 01:01.25 | eduhat | but what about aptitude? people are saying i should use that |
| 01:01.33 | magyar | sarge is 3.1, what is etch? |
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| 01:01.52 | h3sp4wn | (as of xorg 7.1 it works with at least X850 9800pro all 9600's) |
| 01:01.53 | streuner_ | if you aren't familar with, just use apt and dpkg |
| 01:02.27 | eduhat | allright |
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| 01:02.44 | eduhat | im not familiear with any of it to tell you the truthe |
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| 01:02.52 | cureless | eduhat: I say use aptitude |
| 01:03.00 | eduhat | yeah, it look alot better |
| 01:03.03 | streuner_ | well, we all need to begin at some point to learn.. |
| 01:03.16 | cureless | eduhat: you can use aptitude in the same way you use apt-get |
| 01:03.29 | magyar | what is etch's release number? |
| 01:03.35 | amphi | magyar: etch is 4.0 I believe |
| 01:03.40 | streuner_ | !etch |
| 01:03.41 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 01:03.49 | eduhat | cureless: so aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 01:04.00 | amphi | eduhat: that'll do it |
| 01:04.04 | eduhat | allright |
| 01:04.07 | magyar | thank you amphi, streuner_ |
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| 01:05.02 | streuner_ | at the end you have to learn apt and dpkg |
| 01:05.18 | streuner_ | if something went wrong, you have to use them |
| 01:05.35 | streuner_ | and not another frondend |
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| 01:08.01 | itchi | streuner_: Because it easy to mess up the system with it if you use it bad?? |
| 01:08.02 | eduhat | really fast, how can i get connected to the internet through eth0? |
| 01:08.25 | streuner_ | itchi: hehe |
| 01:08.36 | amphi | eduhat: what is eth0? |
| 01:08.47 | eduhat | my interface |
| 01:08.56 | eduhat | well, the interface of my NIC |
| 01:08.56 | amphi | eduhat: wireless? |
| 01:08.59 | eduhat | nope |
| 01:09.00 | eduhat | wired |
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| 01:09.17 | ic56 | bI accidentally installed KDE a while back. I want to remove it completely, but keep X (I use ion as my window manager). When I installed, I used virtual packages. But removing them with apt-get remove -- |
| 01:09.28 | ic56 | oops, sorry, still composing |
| 01:09.36 | amphi | eduhat: if you're connected to a router, 'dhclient eth0' should be enough |
| 01:09.39 | streuner_ | itchi: some people say about dselect the same, but this relict (so it seems) will never die and it causes many troubles for debian :-) |
| 01:09.43 | eduhat | allright |
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| 01:10.16 | itchi | streuner_: I like aptitude, just is it not so easy some time, and sure in the begin :-) |
| 01:10.18 | amphi | eduhat: for certain values of 'router' ;) |
| 01:10.30 | amphi | itchi: try dselect ;) |
| 01:10.39 | itchi | amphi: Yeah i know :-) |
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| 01:11.03 | itchi | amphi: That was Woody, i think, my first debian try :-) :-) |
| 01:11.21 | streuner_ | *cough* kpackage *cough* is easy :-) |
| 01:11.34 | ic56 | I accidentally installed KDE a while back. I want to remove it completely, but keep X (I use ion as my window manager). When I installed, I used virtual packages, like "kde". But removing them with apt-get --purge remove doesn't seem to work. What am I missing? RTFM answer is fine if you tell me where to look. |
| 01:11.35 | itchi | streuner_: What's that? :-p |
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| 01:11.53 | amphi | itchi: I was startled by dselect; I fled and just apt-got ;) |
| 01:12.06 | streuner_ | itchi: some frontend to deb and rpm, but nowadays it works only for KDE |
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| 01:12.11 | cureless | in ic56's case aptitude would have removed the unneeded packages. |
| 01:12.16 | eduhat | i keep getting an error where is says that it cannot lock the cache or something |
| 01:12.27 | cureless | eduhat: you're not root |
| 01:12.32 | streuner_ | itchi: *cough* _and_ tgz ;-) |
| 01:12.37 | eduhat | let me check |
| 01:12.44 | amphi | ic56: try and find a base package (kde-base?) and remove that; all the deps will go with it |
| 01:12.51 | cureless | or you're running another program that is accessing the db |
| 01:13.02 | itchi | It's not so long now i use Debian, i think a bit more than one year non stop, (so Ã,3 years now) before i was running some other distro's an befor that the diabolic thing |
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| 01:13.21 | streuner_ | itchi: it helps me a lot (migration) from SuSE |
| 01:13.43 | eduhat | im root but it still says that... |
| 01:14.03 | cureless | eduhat: then you're running another apt/aptitude/dpkg/etc in another window |
| 01:14.15 | eduhat | i dont think soo... |
| 01:14.36 | streuner_ | itchi: usually it can deal with rpm and deb as well, so it was the perfect tool to migrate |
| 01:14.53 | ic56 | cureless, amphi: thank you. |
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| 01:18.20 | itchi | How can i check which mode my wifi card support? |
| 01:18.52 | Eclipser | dmesg ? |
| 01:18.59 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:19.06 | itchi | Eclipser: He not show that info |
| 01:19.08 | streuner_ | itchi: WEP or WAP? |
| 01:19.27 | Eclipser | itchi, google? |
| 01:19.40 | itchi | streuner_: Now you ask me somethings, i was thinging that it was not related to it. But i use simple wep |
| 01:19.53 | itchi | Eclipser: Google not know that |
| 01:20.01 | Eclipser | funny |
| 01:20.02 | eduhat | its not working, i know i dont have any other aptget or anything like that running |
| 01:20.06 | robin_sz | google knows EVERYTHING |
| 01:20.11 | itchi | Eclipser: He not know everything :-/ |
| 01:20.12 | streuner_ | itchi: WEP isn't secure enough... |
| 01:20.20 | Eclipser | google doesn't know my name! |
| 01:20.22 | eduhat | let me try to restart? because all i did was log out and log back in |
| 01:20.24 | Eclipser | I think.. |
| 01:20.28 | ofer0 | WEP isn't secure at all |
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| 01:20.50 | itchi | streuner_: Yeah, that's why i will test how long time it take. But need to monitor mode, and he complain when i try to activate it |
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| 01:21.30 | streuner_ | itchi: some driver doesn't support WAP, even if the hardware could do it... |
| 01:21.31 | amphi | itchi: the README file says what modes are supported |
| 01:21.32 | itchi | So i have plug an USB wifi key on the main computer, playing with the laptop and so how long time it my wep is secure |
| 01:21.54 | amphi | itchi: IIRC managed (0) ad-hoc(1) and monitor(2) |
| 01:22.04 | eduhat | cureless: i logged out and logged back in.. still doesnt work |
| 01:22.19 | itchi | I just want to do iwconfig eth2 mode monitor But get: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth2 ; Invalid argument. |
| 01:22.39 | robin_sz | itchi, wep is not secure ... so its not a question of "how long time" .. its just not. |
| 01:22.59 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, but i not understand why he complain then |
| 01:22.59 | amphi | itchi: so either they are lying, or you didn't build the module correctly |
| 01:23.18 | g3brown | When I issue a 'poweroff' Sarge shutdowns. It powers off my nic before the computer is completely shutdown. It does not power the back up when you power the system back on. I put in a knoppix live cd and it powers the nic back on. Now I can but to Sarge with a working nic until I issue a new poweroff. Is there a fix for this? |
| 01:23.20 | robin_sz | itchi, are you CERTAIN your wifi card is a boy? |
| 01:23.24 | itchi | robin_sz: Let me try, i like to try, if i not try i had never know about Debian too. It's my network not that of the neighborhood. |
| 01:23.39 | amphi | itchi: it did say monitor mode was untested, but to me that means it should switch to that mode and then perhaps not work ;) |
| 01:24.28 | itchi | amphi: I find it strange, cause for mine part, it have already work, just that it not more want now |
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| 01:24.52 | cureless | eduhat: are you sure you're root? |
| 01:24.53 | amphi | itchi: you had it switch into monitor mode successfully? |
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| 01:25.08 | itchi | amphi: I have do like you have tell there in the make file, did make clean; make again |
| 01:25.54 | amphi | itchi: and installed the module under /lib/modules/$(uname -r) I presume? |
| 01:26.06 | eduhat | cureless: i am positive |
| 01:26.08 | itchi | amphi: I have not specify that |
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| 01:26.57 | Kerr | are there any plans for debian to support the cell architecture? (playstation 3) |
| 01:27.12 | itchi | amphi: Just did make clean; make <- and that's is it. Heh, im' still noob for (many)things in the GNU/Linux world. Like compilling stuff of dev on Linux is still new |
| 01:27.17 | amphi | itchi: well, is it there? and does the datestamp look sane? |
| 01:27.23 | bokey | amphi: =) |
| 01:27.24 | cureless | Kerr: define "plans"? |
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| 01:27.40 | h3sp4wn | Kerr: yellowdog is doing a port (with a decent window manager) |
| 01:27.40 | eduhat | now it works |
| 01:27.44 | streuner_ | Kerr: if you a really lucky one to get one of these hardware, you could help to manage that :-) |
| 01:27.51 | itchi | amphi: Yes, ipw3945.ko is there |
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| 01:28.26 | h3sp4wn | Kerr: no reason why you couldn't just use the kernel patches |
| 01:28.30 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 01:28.58 | streuner_ | what CPU are in these Playstation 3? |
| 01:29.15 | Kerr | lol |
| 01:29.28 | Kerr | cell/b.e or whatever they call it |
| 01:29.32 | eduhat | to get wireless working, do i just need wireless-tools? |
| 01:29.38 | Kerr | beats my sempron :-P |
| 01:29.40 | amphi | eduhat: yeah |
| 01:29.42 | itchi | amphi: Is there somethings more to do? |
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| 01:30.39 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea what that makefile does; sometimes they install the module, sometimes they don't |
| 01:30.44 | eduhat | okay, fluxbox is up |
| 01:30.45 | h3sp4wn | I think the cell has at least some compatibility with ppc code |
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| 01:30.58 | amphi | itchi: remove the module and do make, and see if it reappears ;) |
| 01:31.07 | eduhat | now how can i delete kde and gnome? |
| 01:31.12 | itchi | amphi: You probably right, the date not match |
| 01:31.30 | amphi | itchi: duh! ;) |
| 01:31.35 | eduhat | !remove gnome |
| 01:31.35 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 01:31.41 | itchi | amphi: How come that? |
| 01:31.58 | amphi | itchi: I have no idea what you did |
| 01:31.59 | itchi | amphi: Was there not an depmod -a or whatever command? |
| 01:32.09 | eduhat | can i run that command with aptitude? |
| 01:32.15 | amphi | itchi: depmod is nothing to do with it |
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| 01:32.24 | itchi | amphi: I did it right? just make clean; make ?? |
| 01:32.29 | eduhat | like this: aptitude --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 01:32.38 | amphi | itchi: did you delete the old module? |
| 01:32.46 | itchi | amphi: No |
| 01:33.04 | itchi | amphi: How need i to do it? |
| 01:33.08 | amphi | itchi: so do |
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| 01:34.04 | amphi | itchi: I have to eat something, I grow cantankerous |
| 01:34.05 | Grant855 | Hi I recently set a package to never update.. How do i now remove that?? |
| 01:34.06 | itchi | amphi: Is it just rm /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/ipw3945.ko . |
| 01:34.08 | itchi | ? |
| 01:34.08 | eduhat | cureless: aptitude --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common <--- can i run that? |
| 01:34.21 | amphi | itchi: if that's where it is, yeah |
| 01:34.24 | rxkaffee | when you install a .deb, is the original name or filepath saved anywhere? |
| 01:34.31 | itchi | amphi: Okay thanks ;-) |
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| 01:34.49 | itchi | amphi: Eat well ;) |
| 01:34.59 | amphi | itchi: then do make, see if the module is back there again, if not, cp it there, and in either case run depmod -a |
| 01:35.14 | itchi | okay |
| 01:35.18 | eduhat | aptitude --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common <--- can i run that??? |
| 01:35.46 | amphi | itchi: the make file may have an 'install' target also, but perhaps better to avoid ;) |
| 01:35.48 | Grant855 | Hi I recently set a package to never update.. How do i now remove that?? |
| 01:36.09 | amphi | eduhat: looks ok - try ;) |
| 01:36.13 | eduhat | allright |
| 01:36.18 | itchi | oeps did rm / |
| 01:36.25 | itchi | Is that dangerous? |
| 01:36.37 | Grant855 | Guerin, is still here these days mad lol |
| 01:36.45 | itchi | ooo no reaction brr, just a joke |
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| 01:36.50 | rxkaffee | Grant855: how did you set it to not update? |
| 01:37.04 | Grant855 | rxkaffee, ill try locate the command.. |
| 01:37.07 | eduhat | !remove kde |
| 01:37.07 | dpkg | remove kde is probably apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 01:37.26 | amphi | eduhat: you are doing much removing... |
| 01:37.30 | eduhat | yes |
| 01:37.37 | eduhat | dont need all that stuff, just taking up space |
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| 01:37.44 | eduhat | i also need to remove open office |
| 01:37.53 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to umount an NFS mount which no longer exists (network cable pulled out), but i get "Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive" "umount2: Device or resource busy" "umount: /mnt/foo: device is busy". im using umount -f. |
| 01:37.55 | eduhat | then ill have almost the whole disk! |
| 01:37.59 | rxkaffee | who needs open office, when we have google documents? :P |
| 01:38.11 | amphi | eduhat: heh |
| 01:38.14 | eduhat | :D |
| 01:38.24 | lightcap | how do I remove libmysqlclient15off only, without apt forcing me to remove all the mysql packages? There's two client libraries installed by default for some reason |
| 01:38.26 | eduhat | !remove openoffice |
| 01:38.35 | eduhat | !remove open office |
| 01:38.42 | eduhat | !remove open-office |
| 01:39.53 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, now it get no such file when i ls to that ipw3945.ko |
| 01:39.59 | Grant855 | rxkaffee, echo amavisd-new hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 01:40.02 | edju | where does etch load modules from, other than /etc/modules which is nearly empty? |
| 01:40.07 | itchi | amphi: So that module is not realy rebuild |
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| 01:40.40 | PaSurf | does anyone know of any software that runs on debian used for scheduling trips for people based on time, length of ride and distance? |
| 01:41.20 | itchi | amphi: I have make a copy of that module some else, in case of |
| 01:41.43 | Grant855 | rxkaffee, ??? |
| 01:41.59 | sk4nK | just quick question, I have a file csv file, i'm trying to use sed to explicitly delimit empty fields (ie. turn "A",,,"B" into "A","","","B") but sed doesn't work recursivly, so it only replaces the first occurence of /,{2}/ giving "A","",,"B" |
| 01:42.29 | sk4nK | is there a way wround this? (i.e, can it do what i want in one replace, or do i need to loop the replace) |
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| 01:43.13 | radical_ | sk4nK: sed -e 's/x/y/g' g for global or so |
| 01:43.33 | eduhat | !remove kde |
| 01:43.33 | dpkg | methinks remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
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| 01:43.54 | radical_ | !remove dpkg |
| 01:43.55 | PaSurf | I am having issues with the /etc/fstab file. I thought that if you specified a mount in the file on bootup it would mount the file like any other system file. |
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| 01:44.21 | sk4nK | radical_: yeh, but even with global it won't replace the second set of commas because they were written by the match on the first one (it will replace them further down the line, but not immediately after) |
| 01:44.25 | radical_ | PaSurf: it muste be mounted after the partition its on ... obviously |
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| 01:44.42 | eduhat | just kde and gnome alone, im freeing over a gigabite of space |
| 01:45.15 | Grant855 | I set this 'echo amavisd-new hold | dpkg --set-selections' to stop the package updating, now how do i resume package updates?? |
| 01:45.32 | PaSurf | radical_: what do you mean? so if want to mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/ext-scsi I would still have to mount it even though it was specified in the fstab? |
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| 01:47.26 | radical_ | PaSurf: hmm no i mean if you have test.iso on /dev/sdb1 you will have to mount /dev/sdb1 before mounting test.iso |
| 01:47.31 | rxkaffee_ | PaSurf: if you're trying to mount a non-block device, you need to specify the loop option |
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| 01:48.28 | rxkaffee_ | Grant855: sorry, I couldn't find anything on reversing that when I googled... if you have synaptic installed, I'm pretty sure there is an option from one of the dropdown menus across the top |
| 01:48.45 | PaSurf | rxkaffee_ : what do you mean a non-block device? the device is a raid array (which does show up with a fdisk -l) |
| 01:48.49 | radical_ | sk4nK: ah i see what u mean |
| 01:49.17 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: oh, sorry... I thought you said it was a "file" |
| 01:49.28 | PaSurf | I might have :) |
| 01:49.36 | radical_ | i thought so too |
| 01:50.04 | rxKaffee | non-block == file == *.iso |
| 01:50.11 | eduhat | i went from 23% being used to 11% :D |
| 01:50.18 | PaSurf | Basically it is a scsi device that I want to have loaded each time. so I try to mount the /dev/sda1 to /mnt/ext-scsi |
| 01:50.43 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: what is the trouble with it? |
| 01:50.56 | rxKaffee | just not mounting? |
| 01:51.02 | rxKaffee | no errors in dmesg/startup log? |
| 01:51.07 | eduhat | how can i start up my wireless card, right now the light is off, s0o0o what could i do to start it? |
| 01:51.08 | PaSurf | Or mounted on bootup. I can mount from the command line with mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/ext-scsi but with that same info in the fstab it will not auto connect |
| 01:51.28 | rxKaffee | eduhat: ifconfig wificard up ? |
| 01:51.43 | PaSurf | so basically it will not auto mount on reboot with an entry in the fstab file |
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| 01:52.06 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: don't have tho 'noauto' option set do ya ;) |
| 01:52.14 | Grant855 | rxKaffee, No Gui :( |
| 01:52.16 | eduhat | unrecognized command "up" |
| 01:52.25 | rxKaffee | Grant855: checked aptitude? |
| 01:52.35 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: no |
| 01:52.54 | rxKaffee | Grant855: I'm not familiar with aptitude, but I heard its supposed to have alot of the same cool tricks that synaptic does |
| 01:52.58 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: I have the auto for the <type> |
| 01:53.20 | black_13 | what would cause this problem http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1kj8.png |
| 01:53.35 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: try specifying the filesystem, less possible conflicts to worry about |
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| 01:54.11 | eduhat | rxKaffee: i have a senao 2511NL PLUS EXT2 card, it has prism2 chipset, how could i get it to work? |
| 01:54.36 | rxKaffee | eduhat: do ya have drivers for it loaded? |
| 01:54.40 | eduhat | i think its supposed to work with the hostAP driver |
| 01:54.56 | eduhat | rxKaffee: i dont know, just got done isntalling debian about 20 mins ago |
| 01:55.01 | rxKaffee | my wifi card is an ndis driver card :/ |
| 01:55.07 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: I used the mkfs.ext3 -c /dev/sda1 and then in the fstab folder changed the type to ext3. But system would halt at bootup and basically give me the maintenance shell |
| 01:55.14 | eduhat | rxKaffee: oh |
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| 01:55.58 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: but when you set it back to auto, it would not drop you into maintenance mode, but it wouldn't mount it either? |
| 01:56.01 | PaSurf | raKaffee: but when I did the fdisk -l it showed as a linux system |
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| 01:56.36 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: basically I just commented it out to get back into the syste |
| 01:56.38 | PaSurf | system |
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| 01:56.59 | Bhavesh | how/why would digikam can detect a camera but can not connect to it to download pictures? |
| 01:57.01 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: is your / mount point ext3? |
| 01:57.27 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: i ran the mkfs.ext3 on the disks |
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| 01:57.37 | radical_ | sk4nK: you can do it with 2 statements: printf "\"A\",,,,,,,\"B\"\n" |sed -e 's/,/,""/g' |sed -e 's/"""/"","/g' |
| 01:57.44 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: if that is corrext |
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| 01:59.03 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: I'm confused... are you using the raid/scsi device you mentioned, for your / ? |
| 01:59.10 | Bhavesh | any suggestions? |
| 01:59.11 | rxKaffee | for your root partition |
| 01:59.26 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: then I added a line in the fstab to mount the disks. So this is an external raid array. Just one large partition, and I can see it with fdisk. No this is an external scsi device (RaidKing) |
| 01:59.47 | unseensoul | how can i have metacity with composite enabled? |
| 02:00.05 | radical_ | Bhavesh: maybe one of those cameras you need a kernel module for. (always wondered what those usb mass storage enabled extra modules do) |
| 02:00.12 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: I thought you had to replace metacity with beryl/compiz to have composits |
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| 02:00.41 | Bhavesh | radical_: well it can mount an external usb hdd, and when i ask the digikam to detect the camera it finds it |
| 02:00.53 | Bhavesh | but when i try to have it download/connect to see what picts i got it will not work |
| 02:01.02 | unseensoul | rxKaffee, is there any composite manager in testing? |
| 02:01.07 | radical_ | Bhavesh: cant you just "mount" the camera? |
| 02:01.09 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: it sounds to me like you might not have the appropriate drivers/modules loaded when it trys to mount your fstab |
| 02:01.29 | Bhavesh | radical_: i don't see it as a mountable device i.e. sd? or hd? |
| 02:01.33 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: compiz should be. I had to find 3rd party .deb files to get beryl on etch |
| 02:01.53 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: compiz requires xgl or aiglx though I believe. you can not run directly from the nvidia beta drivers |
| 02:01.59 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: even though I can mount it from the cmd prompt? Once I mount it I can see the information on the disks no problem |
| 02:02.03 | radical_ | Bhavesh: [] Olympus MAUSB-10/Fuji DPC-R1 support <-- do you that kind of ... whatever? |
| 02:02.22 | Bhavesh | this is Canon powerShot A530 |
| 02:02.28 | unseensoul | rxKaffee, and from nvidia stable driverS? |
| 02:02.28 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: yes... I suspect that your system might load the necessary modules AFTER it tried to mount your fstab |
| 02:02.42 | Bhavesh | radical_: i have to go take a look at the kernel to see if there is an option for this camera or such device even |
| 02:02.54 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: nvidia stable drivers do not provide direct composit support like the beta... I believe with the stable drivers you use aiglx or xgl |
| 02:03.05 | radical_ | Bhavesh: i guess those kernel modules are for very rare cases |
| 02:03.16 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: try compiling ext3 and your scsi modules directly into the kernel |
| 02:03.26 | rxKaffee | or perhaps loading them from an initrd |
| 02:03.33 | Bhavesh | radical_: and odd thing is, i had it working before i reinstalled everything i messed up system trying to use kpkg to build/install kernel :) |
| 02:03.33 | unseensoul | rxKaffee, ok thank you :) |
| 02:03.51 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: Ah. If it where loading it would show up in the messages or syslog as being loaded. |
| 02:03.59 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: I have those etch binaries for beryl sitting here still, if you want them |
| 02:04.13 | PaSurf | and possibly after the fstab file is processed? |
| 02:04.24 | rxKaffee | yep, thats what I'm thinking PaSurf |
| 02:04.36 | rxKaffee | searching through those logs should tell yo ufor sure if thats what the problem is |
| 02:04.42 | PaSurf | does the backplan get processed way late? |
| 02:04.54 | rxKaffee | I'm not sure what order the startup stuff is all done |
| 02:05.01 | rxKaffee | backplan? |
| 02:05.09 | PaSurf | plane |
| 02:05.31 | unseensoul | rxKaffee, if you don't mind :) |
| 02:05.32 | rxKaffee | still not following you ... to me backplane is part of an antenna ;) |
| 02:05.54 | PaSurf | not sure if they call it that, but scsi cable connects to a pci card (lvm) |
| 02:06.19 | PaSurf | I thought it was where most of my traveling happened |
| 02:06.32 | radical_ | Bhavesh: ah, maybe you left out that usb2.0 module (ohci/ehci what was it?) |
| 02:06.56 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: could you pvt me your email address? |
| 02:07.13 | rxKaffee | unseensoul: it'll be a little while before I can get my debian box up |
| 02:07.24 | Bhavesh | radical_: nope it's all loaded |
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| 02:07.58 | Bhavesh | ohci,ehci,uhci,usbcore is loaded |
| 02:08.26 | Bhavesh | lsusb actually shows the camera connected |
| 02:09.03 | tvn | when a user 'su' to root (not su -) , shouldn't all the stuffs in .bashrc , .bash_profile be inherited ? |
| 02:09.23 | radical_ | Bhavesh: what does dmesh say when you connect the cam? |
| 02:10.18 | Bhavesh | just two lines |
| 02:10.22 | Bhavesh | usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 |
| 02:10.22 | Bhavesh | usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 02:11.10 | radical_ | Bhavesh: do you have scsi support? |
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| 02:11.15 | Bhavesh | radical_: yes |
| 02:11.29 | radical_ | Bhavesh: damn, why cant it be somethin obvious |
| 02:11.32 | Bhavesh | sg 31772 0 |
| 02:11.32 | Bhavesh | scsi_mod 125064 2 sg,usb_storage |
| 02:11.43 | Bhavesh | radical_: i know it's very small and obvious thing :) |
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| 02:11.49 | Bhavesh | we are just over looking it |
| 02:12.45 | seth1248 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.32 | radical_ | Bhavesh: kernel v2.4? |
| 02:13.48 | Bhavesh | nope kernel 2.6.17.5 |
| 02:14.00 | radical_ | because in 2.6 i think the scsi disk module is called sd_mod |
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| 02:14.17 | rxKaffee | looket there, its Yvonne :D |
| 02:14.20 | Bhavesh | had it running under the same kernel.. i think what happend is when i tried to trim the size of kernel down by remove some of the modules i may have accidently disabled something |
| 02:14.27 | Yvonne | rxKaffee: :P |
| 02:14.28 | radical_ | but if you have enabled it in the kernel configuration it should be okay |
| 02:14.44 | rxKaffee | Yvonne: all the deb channels on the other network too quiet today? |
| 02:15.06 | Yvonne | yep |
| 02:15.09 | Yvonne | no fun |
| 02:15.15 | tvn | how do I make root inherits all the env of the user when using 'su' ? |
| 02:15.17 | rxKaffee | heh |
| 02:15.21 | Bhavesh | radical_: you are right.. i had to load sd_mod .. now it saw the usb external drive |
| 02:15.29 | rxKaffee | tvn: isn't that what the - does? |
| 02:15.31 | rxKaffee | su - |
| 02:15.57 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: what number should my <pass> directive be in the fstab file for the scsi device I am attaching? It is bacially one partition for network folders. |
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| 02:16.05 | Bhavesh | radical_: but don't think it saw the camera yet |
| 02:16.23 | tvn | su - should make it 'not' inherit things . su alone should but for some reasons mine doesn't do |
| 02:16.45 | paolo | tvn, su is a shell within a shell, so when you need to man bash or tcsh, whichever you using, and see, which file it reads in non-login shells... /etc/profile /etc/bashrc ,, one of them is read only in login shells, su is not login shell, so you need to modify the other according to your needs |
| 02:16.52 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: not sure... I have my /boot set to 1 2, and my / is set to 1 1 |
| 02:16.52 | Bhavesh | radical_: that's ok for now.. i have to finishs something so i will take on that challenge later :) |
| 02:16.58 | eduhat | can anyone please help me get wireless working? |
| 02:17.04 | rxKaffee | PaSurf: those are just defaults that slackware set though... |
| 02:17.34 | radical_ | Bhavesh: i only have very little experience with camaras, all i know is: camera set to data transfer, plug it in, new sdX1 partition found |
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| 02:18.18 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: on mine boot is set to 2, and the / is set to one. The rest are set to 0. |
| 02:18.25 | Bhavesh | radical_: i think that's how it should be .. too bad i did not see how things worked when it was working.. |
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| 02:18.46 | Bhavesh | if i had i would have known what module/option is not turned on for this problem |
| 02:19.05 | Bhavesh | but honestly the odd thing is when digkam interrogates the usb bus, it finds EXACT camera i have |
| 02:19.29 | radical_ | Bhavesh: does the camera have a data transmission mode? |
| 02:20.03 | Bhavesh | radical_: yes it does.. it's a button that has line and arrow going out i am assuming that's what it is :) |
| 02:20.08 | Bhavesh | radical_: i think i tried that too |
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| 02:20.33 | radical_ | Bhavesh: shouldnt the cameras display change or something? :) |
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| 02:21.07 | Bhavesh | well it has a button that slides up/down up mode = take pict mode - down = review/view pict + transmit mode ;) |
| 02:21.24 | radical_ | hmm |
| 02:21.26 | Bhavesh | so i have button down when digikam is trying to connect |
| 02:21.47 | PaSurf | rxKaffee: those numbers used to determine the order in which the filesystem checks are done at reboot time. |
| 02:22.12 | rxMokka | PaSurf: I would probably set it the same as th / |
| 02:22.19 | rxMokka | oh |
| 02:22.22 | PaSurf | so 1 is for the root |
| 02:22.27 | rxMokka | heh, better not set it the same as / then :P |
| 02:22.34 | PaSurf | others filesystems 2 |
| 02:23.00 | PaSurf | 0 means the filesystem does not need to be checked.... |
| 02:23.01 | rxMokka | I've laways just fudged those numbers and let the system figure it out, heh |
| 02:23.37 | radical_ | Bhavesh: if you finde the time, maybe burn a live-cd like knoppix at boot it up, they usually have lots and lots of modules enabled, so if the camera works there (/dev/sdX) ... lsmod and find what you are missing :) |
| 02:23.47 | radical_ | at=and |
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| 02:24.30 | PaSurf | Hey learn something almost everyday |
| 02:24.32 | PaSurf | :) |
| 02:24.33 | Bhavesh | radical_: that sounds like a plan .. i was thinking about going back to a saved kernel config to see if i can recompile the kernel using that config and included something that i am missing now |
| 02:25.03 | radical_ | Bhavesh: might work too, but i'd be too lazy for that :) |
| 02:25.38 | Bhavesh | radical_: kernel doesn't take too long to compile on this machine :) not the fastest it's Athlong XP @1.6Ghz with 1GB memory :) |
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| 02:26.55 | tvn | anyone using a laptop that have something similar to speedstep ? what package do you use to change the cpu speed automatically ? |
| 02:27.34 | rxMokka | tvn: kernel has a help page for the frequency selection section. it should have userspace app listed |
| 02:27.58 | rxMokka | in 2.6 kernels atleast |
| 02:28.35 | edju | where does etch load modules from, other than /etc/modules which is nearly empty? |
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| 02:30.18 | rxKaffee | edju: modprobe -l |
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| 02:32.44 | edju | rxKaffee, Yeah, that's where the modules live, but they're not all loaded. |
| 02:33.18 | rxKaffee | oh, you meant what tells it which modules to load? |
| 02:33.27 | edju | rxKaffee, Right. |
| 02:33.28 | rxKaffee | I would suspect udev |
| 02:34.17 | edju | rxKaffee, udev reads thee kernel? I mean, if a module is not compiled in the kernel, it won't be loaded? |
| 02:34.39 | amphi | itchi: you got monitor mode working? |
| 02:34.59 | rxKaffee | I think udev can load modules that are in .ko format |
| 02:35.14 | rxKaffee | anything compiled in the kernel is loaded by default, and cannot be unloaded |
| 02:35.43 | Kevin` | and isn't a module then, really :) |
| 02:35.45 | amphi | tvn: you can choose a governor through sysfs |
| 02:35.50 | rxKaffee | exactly |
| 02:35.51 | itchi | amphi: Not realy |
| 02:36.04 | amphi | itchi: huh? ;) |
| 02:36.06 | itchi | amphi: He no more more complain when i set it in monitor mode |
| 02:36.11 | edju | rxKaffee, right. if, when compiling, i choose M, that mod is loaded, or do I have to do something with udev rules? |
| 02:36.26 | amphi | itchi: and iwconfig says it's in monitor mode? |
| 02:36.41 | itchi | amphi: But when i try wiht airsnort, he still say that i need to set it in monitor mode, iwconfig say that he is in monitor mode |
| 02:36.45 | rxKaffee | edju: if you have udev running, it should detect what hardware you have, and load any modules for it that it finds |
| 02:36.56 | rxKaffee | edju: so it should get loaded automagically |
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| 02:37.15 | amphi | itchi: maybe airsnort doesn't like that card/driver - consult the documentation ;) |
| 02:37.45 | rxKaffee | itchi: I had problems with airsnort when I was not running it as root, maybe thats part of the prob? |
| 02:37.47 | Kevin` | maybe airsnort's bieng stupid, try it with wireshark :) |
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| 02:38.24 | itchi | rxKaffee: Same |
| 02:39.10 | rxKaffee | also, I remember that airsnort would not set my card to monitor automatically, so I had to "tell" airsnort that it is already in monitor mode |
| 02:39.24 | rxKaffee | there was a button |
| 02:39.37 | itchi | amphi: I have try with 2 others wepla and it's the same, weplab and air* |
| 02:39.55 | itchi | amphi: Looks like the monitor mode is simply not working right |
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| 02:41.08 | Miesco | How do I check what is using my sound card? |
| 02:42.21 | beardy | !wiui Miesco |
| 02:42.22 | dpkg | Miesco: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 02:42.45 | Miesco | K |
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| 02:43.00 | Bhavesh | here goes |
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| 02:43.41 | Bhavesh | make clean is taking awefully long time |
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| 02:44.28 | lunaphyte | is there a command that will return the tz offset in hours? |
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| 02:45.44 | PaSurf | !fuser |
| 02:45.44 | dpkg | hmm... fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!' |
| 02:45.45 | beardy | lunaphyte: man date, IIRC it's mentioned there, how you use the.. what'sitcalled format that uses that, GMT+1 and so on. |
| 02:46.39 | beardy | !factinfo fuser |
| 02:46.39 | dpkg | fuser -- last modified at Sat Jul 1 14:54:08 2000 by cerb!erick@cerb.kinnee.net; it has been requested 45 times, last by PaSurf, 55s ago. |
| 02:47.09 | itchi | amphi: ow, it's looks to work now, i have choice for the wlan-ng driver type in airsnort, wonering why in the cli's not want to work |
| 02:47.30 | Bhavesh | is it smart or NOT so smart to do make -j3 on a single processor machine? |
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| 02:47.55 | lunaphyte | beardy: got it. thanks. |
| 02:48.31 | Bhavesh | while compiling kernel? |
| 02:48.48 | Caelum | Bhavesh: it won't help much, might make it slower |
| 02:49.32 | Bhavesh | should i stop and restart it without it? |
| 02:50.02 | Bhavesh | load on the system is 3.4X |
| 02:50.34 | Caelum | lunaphyte: date -R | awk '{print $6}' # I think :) |
| 02:51.03 | Caelum | Bhavesh: nah, just let it run. You probably have enough memory to handle it. |
| 02:51.29 | Bhavesh | Caelum: have 1GB RAM |
| 02:51.51 | Bhavesh | rt(0): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x3f0, product 0x7202). Make sure this device is connected to the computer. |
| 02:51.57 | Bhavesh | eeks sorry |
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| 02:59.07 | Bhavesh | it's done |
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| 03:00.01 | Bhavesh | bbl |
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| 03:03.03 | Ryanw | whats the correct syntax to add the user apache to the group asterisk i've tried usermod -g asterisk -u `id -u apache` but it barfs |
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| 03:04.01 | rxKaffee | Ryanw: I do not think there is any reason to not just edit the group file with vi |
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| 03:04.32 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 03:04.55 | Ryanw | rxKaffee, i need to script it, its part of my home made rpm to install freepbx on fedora |
| 03:05.03 | man_in_shack | was it my imagination or were there sun-java* packages in debian at some point? |
| 03:06.01 | threat2 | hey |
| 03:06.01 | rxKaffee | man_in_shack: probably in non-free |
| 03:06.07 | man_in_shack | would have been |
| 03:06.32 | man_in_shack | cos i still have the non-free package installed, but i don't know what repository it was in |
| 03:06.38 | threat2 | whats with the new grub in testing? when I update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda and reboot it gets in to a grub> prompt and does nothing elsem etf? |
| 03:06.41 | threat2 | etf = wtf |
| 03:07.11 | man_in_shack | um |
| 03:07.11 | rxKaffee | threat2: sounds like its not loading the stage 1.5 or something |
| 03:07.11 | threat2 | has anyone else had that problem ? |
| 03:07.17 | man_in_shack | threat2, you mean grub2? |
| 03:07.42 | threat2 | man_in_shack: what ever is in testing that is a pre-req for linux-image-2.6.17 k7 |
| 03:08.18 | threat2 | rxKaffee: I see, any ideas how to fix it? |
| 03:08.49 | man_in_shack | threat2, pre-req or suggests? |
| 03:08.54 | rxKaffee | nope, there's tons of howto's on grub with broken 1.5 though ;) |
| 03:09.08 | threat2 | my /boot and / is RAID-1 |
| 03:09.37 | threat2 | rxKaffee: ok, any particular ones you think I should look at ? or should I filter through it my self >? |
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| 03:09.58 | Ryanw | rxKaffee, i found out how "gpasswd -a apache asterisk", thanks anyway |
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| 03:10.23 | threat2 | eewww gpasswd |
| 03:10.27 | rxKaffee | threat2: that or maybe ask #grub ;) |
| 03:10.36 | threat2 | :) |
| 03:10.36 | rxKaffee | I bet those grubbers'd know |
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| 03:11.31 | man_in_shack | threat2, what version of the grub package is installed, and do you have the grub2 package installed? |
| 03:11.55 | threat2 | man_in_shack: well it doesn't boot up so I dont know :) |
| 03:12.18 | threat2 | man_in_shack: I will boot off a live xubuntu cd and find out |
| 03:12.25 | suran_ | Is it necessary to run -c with mkfs.ext3 on a new HD ? If I dont check for bad blocks during format, will the OS do it automatically later ? |
| 03:12.31 | Thaiger | This is a bit OT, but I was wondering if anyone knows of a LiveCD that can see my SATA hard-drive on my core-duo? I need to virus scan it. I tried Knoppix, but no such luck, same for UBCD |
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| 03:14.08 | rxKaffee | Thaiger: I had a gentoo cd that had some sata support built in. slackware11 install cd 1 has an sata 2.4 kernel, and a fat 2.6 that prb has it |
| 03:14.33 | rxKaffee | Thaiger: there's not a whole lot of apps on the slack install cd, but its got a console with enough to poke around at your files |
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| 03:18.40 | g3brown | I'm having issues with an onboard nic, so I want to disable it and add a pci nic. I disable the onboard in the bios, how do I tell Sarge to install the new nic? The kernel should have drivers for it. |
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| 03:19.34 | mne | hi guys. this is not really debian specific, but maybe someone can help me. in a shell, one can define LD_PRELOAD. thus every dynmically linked program reloads the library that is defined in that path. if a functio is already defined, it can be redefined. thus, in a security aspect, one could write a library that contains getuid() for example. instead of the real getuid() the fake getuid in the preloaded library is executed now. how |
| 03:19.34 | mne | can I avoid this ? can this "attack" also be done, if a programm is statically linked ? does it help to clear the environment first ? |
| 03:19.35 | dvs | g3brown: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 03:19.58 | man_in_shack | ok, found it |
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| 03:20.07 | man_in_shack | it is in non-free, which i had disabled for some reason :| |
| 03:20.12 | man_in_shack | thanks guys |
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| 03:20.59 | g3brown | dvs: that reports the intel nic I have. Says unknown device. That mean it didn't find drivers? |
| 03:21.20 | dvs | g3brown: update-pciids |
| 03:22.05 | tgelter | hey all, I mixed up some different version of gtkpod (one from the repos and one from source) and now I can't load gtkpod...it just gives a segmentation fault, dumps a core, and won't start...how can I make things right? (removing and adding gtkpod from aptitude doesn't fix anything) |
| 03:22.20 | g3brown | dvs: I have no connection because of the nic |
| 03:22.51 | g3brown | dvs: if the kernel finds the nic would I have to install it or would it just be available? |
| 03:22.53 | Thaiger | rxKaffee: Thanks! |
| 03:23.17 | dvs | g3brown: if the kernel supports it, you just have to load the module |
| 03:23.42 | dvs | g3brown: actually, if you're using a Debian kernel, the module should be automatically loaded. |
| 03:23.43 | g3brown | dvs: Can I tell it which module to load? |
| 03:23.54 | dvs | g3brown: yes |
| 03:23.54 | rxKaffee | g3brown: if the module is loaded, and it still does not show up in ifconfig, yu might have to ifconfig ethX up, or ifup ethX, not sure how sarge does that |
| 03:25.14 | g3brown | dvs: I might just buy another nic, that has kernel support. |
| 03:25.14 | dvs | g3brown: or somehow get a more recent kernel |
| 03:25.27 | rxKaffee | g3brown: what card do you have? |
| 03:25.33 | g3brown | dvs: intel pro 1000 |
| 03:25.41 | rxKaffee | that has kernel support |
| 03:26.05 | g3brown | rxKaffee: I think it does too, but there are so many diff ones. I have the GT |
| 03:26.06 | dvs | g3brown: which kernel do you have? |
| 03:26.15 | g3brown | dvs: sarge 2.6.8 I think |
| 03:26.25 | threat2 | ok, I found the version (it was staring me in the face) grub 0.97 |
| 03:26.27 | mne | 7j #libc |
| 03:26.31 | rxKaffee | never used an intel pro 1000, but I remember seeing it when I select my 3com drivers in the kernel config |
| 03:26.31 | dvs | g3brown: I think that's a eepro |
| 03:26.36 | g3brown | dvs: yeah, that it |
| 03:26.45 | rxKaffee | so then `modprobe eepro`? |
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| 03:27.52 | g3brown | rxKaffee: no dice |
| 03:28.11 | Teejay__ | Hi, I'm interested in installing debian with xfce, rather than gnome |
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| 03:28.22 | g3brown | The onboard nic works, but if you poweroff and cold boot it doesn't come up. ifup doesn't fix it either |
| 03:28.42 | Teejay__ | can you just install xfce via the internet after installing the base system |
| 03:29.23 | mne | what can I do, that a setuid program ignores LD_PRELOAD ? |
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| 03:30.12 | dvs | g3brown: What do you do to get the NIC working again? |
| 03:30.32 | dondelelcaro | mne: you don't have a choice; that's handled by the linker. |
| 03:30.46 | dondelelcaro | mne: your job is to make sure that there aren't libraries in the standard search path which would cause a problem. |
| 03:31.12 | nvz | Teejay__: yes |
| 03:31.27 | dondelelcaro | mne: man ld.so; for more details. |
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| 03:32.03 | mne | dondelelcaro,IMHM this has nothing to do with the standard search path. one can define a library in a home directory which is then loaded, even if the program is a setuid program |
| 03:32.09 | dondelelcaro | (and if your system is so broken that non-root users can write to the standard search path, or you're installing unverified libraries there, you're already sunk already setuid or no.) |
| 03:32.13 | dondelelcaro | mne: no, you can't. |
| 03:32.19 | Teejay__ | ty nvz |
| 03:32.19 | mne | dondelelcaro, I'll have a look at the ld.so manpage however ;) |
| 03:32.23 | g3brown | dvs: not sure of 100% solution yet. Most of the time I can boot a live knoppix cd I have. That will re-enable it until I cold boot again. |
| 03:32.24 | dondelelcaro | mne: read man ld.so; again. |
| 03:33.04 | dvs | g3brown: so if you boot a live CD and then boot Debian, it works again? |
| 03:33.24 | g3brown | dvs: most of the time. |
| 03:33.53 | mne | dondelelcaro, ok, since i didn't already read it, I'll do that now. however, a user on our system managed to preload his own library (with his own versions of getuid(), ...) and then execute a setuid program which actually used his libs. the system is debian testing |
| 03:34.38 | g3brown | dvs: without doing that, I have booted like a dozen times and it doesn't work. During the shutdown, the nic goes off before the system. Usually on computers when I enable wol, the nic never powers completely off. On this system the led's are off when the system is off. |
| 03:34.39 | dondelelcaro | mne: they shouldn't be able to with an ELF setuid program. |
| 03:35.10 | g3brown | dvs: it's a clean sarge install too. I just did it last week, and everything went smooth. |
| 03:35.33 | dvs | g3brown: my computer is like that. My NIC goes completely off if I shutdown Debian but stays on when I shutdown Windows. |
| 03:35.59 | mne | dondelelcaro, so the system (not the program) should avoid this ? |
| 03:36.06 | dondelelcaro | mne: the linker deals with it. |
| 03:36.07 | Eclipser | anyone know where the escape sequences for example arrow keys are defined? (ESC + "[" + ascii[65-68]) |
| 03:36.36 | g3brown | dvs: I have 2 other sarge's right beside this one with zero problem. Perhaps it is some sort of irq conflict. |
| 03:36.45 | rxKaffee | Eclipser: depends on where you are trying to input them... console has one keymap, X has another... |
| 03:36.48 | dvs | possibly |
| 03:36.58 | Eclipser | rxKaffee, console... |
| 03:36.58 | rxKaffee | probably a few other modifier files for other subsystems |
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| 03:37.18 | Eclipser | rxKaffee, I mean if there's some kind of standard for them |
| 03:37.32 | Eclipser | rxKaffee, I'd like to include a reference to that in my documentation... |
| 03:37.35 | mne | dondelelcaro, so than it's a linker security problem ? |
| 03:37.43 | rxKaffee | Eclipser: /usr/share/keymaps/i386/ perhaps has what you want |
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| 03:38.05 | rxKaffee | Eclipser: thats where loadkeys looks when you tell it a new keymap |
| 03:38.08 | dondelelcaro | mne: if that's what is actually happening (which I seriously doubt) it's a bug in the linker. |
| 03:39.22 | rxKaffee | Eclipser: the manpage for loadkeys says you can use showkeys to show what esc sequence is currently mapped to a key... not what you're lookingfor , but sounds lie it might help ya on your project |
| 03:40.15 | mne | dondelelcaro, I'll have a closer look at the code. however, until now, it looks like that. the user just did a "export LD_PRELOAD="./hijack-lib.so"" and then executed the setuid binary |
| 03:41.42 | dondelelcaro | mne: it's possible that there is a bug in the version of the linker that you're running, but it's again, seriously unlikely. |
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| 03:44.00 | mne | dondelelcaro, I don't have access to the system right now, but I will verify this issue. thanks for your hel |
| 03:45.51 | dondelelcaro | mne: you can do a simple test... fakeroot su; |
| 03:46.38 | mne | dondelelcaro, and then ? |
| 03:48.13 | dondelelcaro | su is a setuid binary; fakeroot uses LD_PRELOAD to override getuid(); if it doesn't work (as a normal user) then the linker is working properly. |
| 03:48.33 | dondelelcaro | fakeroot id; if you don't believe me. |
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| 03:49.48 | mne | hmm, ok, I'll try that out tomorrow |
| 03:49.51 | mne | thanks |
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| 03:55.03 | encompass | hi guys... can you install your root on an extended partition? |
| 03:55.13 | encompass | aka logical partition |
| 03:56.28 | encompass | and the crickets resound |
| 03:56.43 | threat2 | w00t!! NM I have figured it all out! grub boots debian now! woot |
| 03:57.38 | abrotman | encompass: don't see why not |
| 03:57.49 | encompass | Thats what I thought |
| 03:58.03 | encompass | but some guy is trying to tel me otherwise... thanks |
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| 04:00.39 | LinuxNIT | in etch do you blacklist modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 04:00.47 | LinuxNIT | to prevent them from loading at boot |
| 04:00.55 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 04:00.55 | dpkg | somebody said blacklist was Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 04:02.00 | LinuxNIT | thanks :) |
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| 04:13.11 | blind | hey slop|top |
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| 04:13.23 | slop|top | how do i hack people with linux? |
| 04:13.25 | Eleaf | Hiyaaa |
| 04:13.27 | blind | Who's an op in here? |
| 04:13.28 | slop|top | i want to hack the hotmails |
| 04:13.31 | blind | OPS |
| 04:13.31 | Eleaf | slop|top, oh. |
| 04:13.44 | slop|top | how do i hack the ip addresses ftw tbh? |
| 04:13.46 | Eleaf | that's an odd question |
| 04:13.53 | blind | OPS |
| 04:13.56 | slop|top | cuz i am teh ub3r l33t |
| 04:13.58 | slop|top | !ops |
| 04:13.58 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 04:14.04 | blind | !ops omgomgomgomg |
| 04:14.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blind complains about: omgomgomgomg |
| 04:14.07 | slop|top | how do i hackz0r |
| 04:14.08 | blind | !ops omgomgomgomg |
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| 04:14.09 | slop|top | hack |
| 04:14.09 | slop|top | adf |
| 04:14.10 | slop|top | a;d |
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| 04:14.11 | slop|top | a |
| 04:14.12 | Eleaf | lol |
| 04:14.14 | slop|top | ad |
| 04:14.18 | blind | i win :[ |
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| 04:14.47 | Eleaf | l0@d3d |
| 04:14.53 | Eleaf | hmm, out of tea. |
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| 04:20.10 | omarish | hi guys. i just completely removed apache2 to reinstall it, but when i did reinstall it, the config files disappeared |
| 04:20.44 | Guerin | omarish: yes. |
| 04:21.04 | Guerin | omarish: oh wait |
| 04:21.11 | Guerin | you uninstalled, or purged? |
| 04:21.28 | omarish | uh, the uninstall completely option in package manager |
| 04:21.35 | hologram | evening |
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| 04:23.41 | omarish | Guerin, any ideas? |
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| 04:24.28 | helo | anyone know how to get opengl 2.0 working in linux? |
| 04:24.36 | helo | particularly debian ;) |
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| 04:29.00 | itchi | amphi: Are you still here? |
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| 04:29.58 | tgelter | hey guys, I get an error that says I have to compile gtkpod together with the mp4v2 library...assuming I have the gtkpod source and it's been configured, how do I compile in this way? |
| 04:30.12 | itchi | omarish: The config is gone; it's similar as apt-get remove --purge foo |
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| 04:30.46 | Rusty1 | helo there is a #opengl channel , perhaps ask there |
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| 04:30.55 | helo | good idea... |
| 04:31.11 | omarish | itchi: true. I remember the installer saying that would happen too. my question is how to restore the default ones? |
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| 04:31.34 | itchi | omarish: Just install it again, he make an default one |
| 04:32.17 | omarish | itchi: weird, because even after i reinstall it, the /etc/apache2 is still gone :\ |
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| 04:32.52 | itchi | omarish: Deinstall it completely, then install it again, i'm not sure about reinstalling |
| 04:33.19 | omarish | itchi: isnt deinstalling the same as purging? because if that's the case, even when i purge it, it still goes this way. |
| 04:33.38 | omarish | but i'll try through the command line instead of the gui, hang on |
| 04:34.05 | itchi | omarish: No it's not the same, some time you just want to reinstall an package but keep the config file. But some time you want to completely remove it, also the config files you have customed |
| 04:34.34 | itchi | omarish: Sorry, i have tell it not realy clear |
| 04:34.55 | omarish | itchi: not a problem. thank you for helping me in the first place. |
| 04:35.02 | itchi | omarish: Replace reinstall with deinstall |
| 04:35.23 | omarish | itchi: well i'm not even typing reinstall/deinstall |
| 04:35.32 | omarish | itchi: apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 04:35.32 | itchi | omarish: Tell it when it's not clear, im so bad with english-° |
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| 04:35.40 | omarish | itchi: then apt-get install apache2 |
| 04:35.48 | itchi | yup |
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| 04:36.13 | omarish | haha, even that. |
| 04:36.57 | Guerin | omarish: sorry, relearning latex |
| 04:37.08 | omarish | no problem |
| 04:37.26 | Guerin | omarish: /etc/apache2 isn't there at all? |
| 04:37.32 | omarish | nope |
| 04:37.36 | Guerin | did you delete it manually? |
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| 04:37.54 | bintut | hello all.. |
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| 04:38.03 | SkareCrow | whew new sweatshirt is on its way |
| 04:38.05 | omarish | yes .. |
| 04:38.11 | omarish | haha i have a feeling i wasn't supposed to |
| 04:38.21 | Guerin | omarish: try installing apache2 with --force-confmiss |
| 04:38.37 | Guerin | omarish: man dpkg to find out how |
| 04:38.40 | bintut | i'm wondering.. how many months/years does the next stable be released in debian? |
| 04:38.55 | pickcoder | !wir |
| 04:38.55 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 04:39.10 | itchi | Guerin: How come that happend? |
| 04:39.10 | bintut | in RPM distros, it usually has 6 months../ |
| 04:39.13 | Guerin | bintut: nominally december |
| 04:39.19 | Guerin | itchi: what? |
| 04:39.21 | bintut | Guerin: yearly? |
| 04:39.29 | Guerin | bintut: that's why rpm distros are so shit |
| 04:39.30 | itchi | Guerin: That trouble of omarish |
| 04:39.34 | bintut | Guerin: i mean, annually? |
| 04:39.55 | Guerin | bintut: whenever the debian project think it's ready. Normally 2-3 years |
| 04:40.01 | Guerin | between distros |
| 04:40.04 | pickcoder | bintut: Etch will be stable when the RC bugs are stomped |
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| 04:40.19 | omarish | haha, I'm good at making troubles. |
| 04:40.20 | pickcoder | originally the date was early December, 2006 |
| 04:40.23 | pickcoder | who knows now |
| 04:40.25 | Guerin | for reference, sarge was released June 2004; December 2006 is a relatively short time between drinks |
| 04:40.40 | Guerin | !sarge pool |
| 04:40.41 | dpkg | sarge pool is, like, Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, or won by rydekull! |
| 04:40.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:40.48 | Guerin | !etch pool 1 |
| 04:40.49 | dpkg | etch pool 1 is, like, caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or stew: 2007-01-15 |
| 04:40.49 | bintut | Guerin: ok.. it's 2-3 years.. i'm also thinking of adopting ubuntu dapper lts which has 5 years support.. |
| 04:40.56 | Guerin | prace your bets↑ |
| 04:41.29 | Guerin | bintut: yeah, right. FWIW debian has post-obsolesence support too. |
| 04:41.37 | bintut | pickcoder: i heard that etch will be release as stable early december |
| 04:41.39 | Guerin | bintut: but five years is a but unrealistic |
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| 04:41.57 | Ice777 | Hey dendrite, I was able to log in :) Thanks |
| 04:42.02 | Guerin | bintut: that's the SCHEDULED date. Place your bets, like everyone else has. |
| 04:42.02 | pickcoder | people complain that Sarge has way outdated stuff as it is |
| 04:42.09 | pickcoder | and you want to go 5 years? |
| 04:42.14 | Phated | !etch pool 1 is also Phated=2007-06-09 |
| 04:42.14 | dpkg | that's too long, Phated |
| 04:42.17 | Phated | Bah. |
| 04:42.20 | Phated | !etch pool 2 |
| 04:42.29 | Guerin | Phated: makemakemake! |
| 04:42.31 | itchi | What's that about the pool? |
| 04:42.35 | smacnay | what is the package to be installed for a small working gnome installation? |
| 04:42.42 | Guerin | itchi: /msg dpkg etch bet |
| 04:42.44 | Phated | Guerin: Bah! |
| 04:42.49 | smacnay | Just the desktop environment and not all the extras. |
| 04:42.51 | Guerin | smacnay: gnome-core |
| 04:42.52 | enouf | Phated 1.1 ? |
| 04:42.56 | smacnay | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:42.56 | itchi | smacnay: See /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 04:42.58 | enouf | hehe |
| 04:43.01 | Guerin | smacnay: if you can call it 'working' |
| 04:43.24 | Phated | Guerin: "Small" would be the issue surely :) |
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| 04:43.33 | itchi | heh |
| 04:44.08 | smacnay | hehe |
| 04:44.09 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 04:44.16 | pickcoder | 185 bugs still remaining |
| 04:44.32 | Guerin | Phated: even if you do prefer a small one which works to a big one which doesn't, I think you'll agree that a small one which doesn't work isn't much use. |
| 04:44.37 | bintut | ok.. |
| 04:44.44 | Guerin | Phated: they normally get the boot at some point. |
| 04:44.48 | Guerin | pickcoder: |
| 04:44.55 | Guerin | Phated: disreg4rd |
| 04:45.05 | itchi | pickcoder: Yeah, do me thinking to that boa-constructor |
| 04:45.07 | smacnay | Guerin: gnome-core is buggy? Or just really light? |
| 04:45.08 | bintut | how long does debian support the stable-1 for security updates? |
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| 04:45.46 | itchi | We can send an mail to an package maintainer? |
| 04:45.55 | Guerin | bintut: a year after the release of stable+1 |
| 04:46.15 | Phated | Guerin: *snort* |
| 04:46.34 | Guerin | Phated: it must be very small if you can get it up your nose. |
| 04:46.42 | Phated | Guerin: It is very small indeed. |
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| 04:46.54 | itchi | The question was not realy appropriate. How can i get know the email address of an package maintener which package are no more available in my release? |
| 04:47.10 | itchi | Or maybe, is there an list with contact infos? |
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| 04:47.37 | Guerin | itchi: just file a bug |
| 04:47.43 | itchi | oh way, i'm stupid |
| 04:47.46 | itchi | Guerin: That too |
| 04:47.57 | Guerin | itchi: or file an additional message against the bug, preferably with a patch |
| 04:48.02 | itchi | I can look on that of sid |
| 04:48.22 | itchi | Guerin: Can i fill an bug for an package that are no more available? |
| 04:48.46 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 04:49.05 | g3brown | My NIC started acting up today. If I 'lspci' and I see it, but if I ifup eth0 or ifdown eth0 I get error sometimes. Is there anything else to check out? |
| 04:49.09 | itchi | Guerin: I dunno; like an bug report is related to an package?? |
| 04:49.24 | pickcoder | g3brown: define "error" |
| 04:49.51 | itchi | Guerin: The log files?? |
| 04:49.55 | itchi | oeps |
| 04:50.03 | itchi | g3 ^^ |
| 04:50.08 | rxKaffee | g3: dmesg? |
| 04:50.11 | g3brown | pickcoder: HWinit failed. |
| 04:50.28 | Guerin | itchi: i have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. |
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| 04:50.49 | itchi | Guerin: Forget the last line; missed the other user |
| 04:50.58 | bintut | Guerin: i mean, sarge will not be the stable version when etch will be released.. will the debian community still supports sarge and how long? |
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| 04:51.33 | Guerin | bintut: until etch+1 is released, then one more year |
| 04:51.45 | Guerin | bintut: so realistically 3-4 years |
| 04:52.01 | itchi | Guerin: boa-constructor is no more available in Etch, because of an depend in the control file. I have repackaged it from sid so that i can use it. I want to contact him to talk about it. |
| 04:52.04 | g3brown | rxKaffee: when it doesn't work I get an 'SkGestopport does not terminate (Tx)' in dmesg. |
| 04:52.05 | pickcoder | g3brown: broadcom by chance? |
| 04:52.16 | Guerin | itchi: if it still exists at all, you can file a bug against it. |
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| 04:52.33 | g3brown | pickcoder: marvell yukon. worked perfect for like a week. |
| 04:52.37 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 04:53.14 | pickcoder | it's not in promiscuous mode is it? |
| 04:53.27 | itchi | Guerin: hhmm, looks like i can access it with reportbug |
| 04:53.28 | Guerin | ye gods, PJ Harvey is awesome. |
| 04:53.34 | Guerin | itchi: amazingly so. |
| 04:53.37 | g3brown | pickcoder: I don't know what that is. |
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| 04:53.47 | Guerin | Phated: did you listen? |
| 04:53.52 | bintut | Guerin: you mean, a usual 2 years of being the stable version plug 3-4 years support after of its stable version? |
| 04:54.02 | Phated | Guerin: Mmm? |
| 04:54.02 | bintut | s/plug/plus |
| 04:54.06 | Guerin | bintut: yes. |
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| 04:54.17 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, just yet another dumb question; what mail system should i need to have working to use reportbug? |
| 04:54.20 | bintut | Guerin: cool! :) |
| 04:54.23 | pickcoder | g3brown: never mind |
| 04:54.35 | bintut | Guerin: i'm not really familiar with the debian lifecycle.. |
| 04:54.41 | pickcoder | g3brown: I'd google for the nic driver and the error |
| 04:54.49 | bintut | Guerin: i just came from an RPM distro |
| 04:55.07 | g3brown | pickcoder: how do I see what module it loaded for the card? |
| 04:55.08 | bintut | Guerin: i'm starting to learn more about debian/ubuntu |
| 04:55.11 | rxKaffee | g3brown: which of your nic is that for? you said you have an onboard that doesn't work, and an intel one? |
| 04:55.28 | Guerin | bintut: they're superficially similar, but fundamentally quite different |
| 04:55.43 | bintut | Guerin: yeah, i understand.. |
| 04:55.45 | Guerin | bintut: for a start, debian is a nonprofit, ubuntu is just unlikely to erven make a profit |
| 04:56.09 | g3brown | rxKaffee: The onboard one is the one acting up. I tried to disable that one and install a pci intel nic. Kernel didn't appear to have drivers for the intel pro 1000 gt |
| 04:56.29 | rxKaffee | g3brown: so compile a new module for it? |
| 04:56.32 | rxKaffee | kernel's are easy :/ |
| 04:56.50 | g3brown | rxKaffee: I'm either missing something obvious or my motherboard is going bad. |
| 04:57.09 | bintut | Guerin: what i am concerned now is on the support.. ubuntu officially announced that they have a 5 years support for the server packages and that's what i'm concerned about.. that's why i came here to ask the community on how many years does debian supports the packages from its stable version |
| 04:57.28 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:57.29 | Guerin | well |
| 04:57.30 | rxKaffee | g3brown: I'd suggest disabling the onboard one in the bios, and focusing on getting ahold of the module/drivers necessary for the intell pro |
| 04:57.43 | Guerin | if support means that much to you, you ought to be paying for it |
| 04:58.27 | bintut | Guerin: it's not an option.. i just want to know the "community support" for the said stable version |
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| 04:59.02 | g3brown | rxKaffee: I was going to order a Pro 1000 MT tomorrow. That take care of the drivers, but still don't understand why I'm having this problem. This same problem but in etch not sarge http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=9847&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=2d1db086396f267740cfadd3920ef6c5 |
| 04:59.30 | rxKaffee | g3brown: don't all of the pro 1000 use the same module? |
| 04:59.36 | g3brown | rxKaffee: no |
| 05:00.07 | bintut | Guerin: you just told me that when etch be released next month, sid will be released as stable relatively after 2 years.. now, when sid is already the stable version, you just said that etch will still be supported in 3-4 years time... which in my counting, i am expecting 5 years of support from the project.. am i correct? |
| 05:00.41 | Guerin | bintut: technicality, sid will never be stable, but yes, you're right. |
| 05:01.09 | Guerin | bintut: however it's this irc channel support, and mailing lists, and security updates as needed. Not anything to pin your life/business on. |
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| 05:01.25 | Guerin | bintut: but you know that, so fine. |
| 05:01.31 | bintut | Guerin: yeah, i know.. i'm concerned on the security update packages |
| 05:02.18 | bintut | because it will give me less headache in supporting the servers i will administer |
| 05:02.45 | Guerin | indeed |
| 05:03.38 | bintut | Guerin: thanks for confirming.. :) |
| 05:03.38 | dendrite | It's ironic that a more agressive Debian release cycle makes Debian more difficult to use for servers, over the long haul, due to the reduced time of support for any release... |
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| 05:05.28 | bintut | where can i find the security update repository for woody? |
| 05:05.50 | dendrite | !woody |
| 05:05.51 | dpkg | woody is probably the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 05:06.48 | amphi | itchi: ... |
| 05:07.00 | itchi | amphi: yes |
| 05:07.25 | amphi | itchi> amphi: Are you still here? |
| 05:07.33 | amphi | some time ago ;) |
| 05:07.44 | dendrite | bintut: That said, woody updates, such as they are, do still exist at ftp.debian.org. |
| 05:08.05 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i remember, but no more remeber my question :-) |
| 05:08.17 | bintut | hhmmm.. 4 years after the debian woody security support terminated |
| 05:08.19 | itchi | oh yeah |
| 05:08.33 | bintut | dendrite: what do you mean? |
| 05:09.01 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 05:09.04 | dendrite | bintut: You asked where the woody security updates are. They are not maintained currently, but the ones that made it in are still on Debian servers. |
| 05:09.05 | itchi | amphi: Which tools use you for that wifi? I not realy understand how that airsnort should work; Looks like he have find the pass, but it's always blank |
| 05:09.19 | amphi | itchi: I haven't used airsnort |
| 05:10.05 | bintut | dendrite: yeah.. it's there but not maintained or even have any updates at all for woody |
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| 05:10.39 | dendrite | bintut: No updates since 2006-06-30... |
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| 05:11.09 | itchi | amphi: Looks like only airsnort support my monitor mode, or somethings still goes wrong with that monitor mode |
| 05:11.22 | bintut | dendrite: yeah.. and with that, administrators are forced to dist-upgrade their servers or support their servers on their own, right? |
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| 05:11.40 | dendrite | bintut: Yes. |
| 05:11.44 | enouf | itchi: maybe apt-cache search -n aircrack ..then apt-cache show <airXXXX> dunno |
| 05:11.58 | bintut | dendrite: thanks.. :) |
| 05:12.23 | smacnay | If I run 'aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment' and wish to remove the entire install, will 'aptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment' do it? |
| 05:12.51 | itchi | enouf: That package is also installed, gona investigate that a bit more |
| 05:13.28 | itchi | smacnay: Yes, or maybe add there ther --purge option |
| 05:13.41 | smacnay | itchi: thanks |
| 05:13.47 | omarish | Guerin: haha, it's still broken. |
| 05:14.37 | Guerin | omarish: make the dir? |
| 05:14.47 | Guerin | omarish: and you used --force-confmiss? |
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| 05:15.26 | omarish | Guerin: yeah, dpkg --force-confmiss -i apache2.. |
| 05:15.37 | enouf | itchi: I have another here also .. but likely only etch .. called aircrack-ng |
| 05:15.52 | Guerin | omarish: apache2 is a metapackage, i believe. You porobably want to do the real package. |
| 05:17.21 | Ice777 | dendrite: I was able to log in... thanks :) |
| 05:17.49 | dendrite | Ice777: Cool. |
| 05:17.49 | itchi | enouf: Yes; it's about that i pointed just above |
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| 05:18.13 | dendrite | Ice777: How is Debian treating you so far? |
| 05:18.22 | Ice777 | dendrite: gui doesn't work yet... but I have a buddy comming over tomorrow |
| 05:18.29 | Ice777 | dendrite: I'm still in windows for the time being :( |
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| 05:18.47 | dendrite | Ice777: Ah. Well, local help is a good thing. |
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| 05:18.53 | itchi | enouf: Just need to get taht working, i do aircrack-ng -e assac -s -q aircrack-ng.cap and get direclty read(file header) failed: Success |
| 05:19.10 | Ice777 | dendrite: hard to do step-by-step instructions while trying to install things :) |
| 05:19.12 | dendrite | Ice777: what happens if you run 'startx' ? |
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| 05:20.29 | dendrite | Ice777: Lots to keep track of. |
| 05:20.29 | dendrite | Ice777: Is your Debian networking up? |
| 05:20.29 | Ice777 | dendrite: I'm not sure.... I didn't try startx |
| 05:20.29 | enouf | itchi: I haven't had a neeed to toy with any of them yet |
| 05:20.29 | Ice777 | dendrite: networking? |
| 05:20.29 | dendrite | Ice777: Can your debian machine get onto the 'net? |
| 05:20.36 | Ice777 | dendrite: yes |
| 05:20.53 | Ice777 | dendrite: the guy walked me over some things on the phone... we updated from sarge to etch |
| 05:21.19 | dendrite | Ice777: Ah. I expected you'd go to etch. I'd have suggested it, after you got comfortable with the basics. |
| 05:21.28 | itchi | enouf: Me too, just try to convince me to use wpa, so i want to learn about wep before i leave it |
| 05:22.11 | dendrite | Ice777: Best thing to do, if you want to learn more, is study the package management system. |
| 05:22.11 | Ice777 | dendrite: lol thats the important thing... I'm famliar with dos and windows... but not linux yet... all the aptitude install things I'm not aware of |
| 05:22.11 | Ice777 | dendrite: were do you find that |
| 05:22.11 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, but still want to try too :-p At least one time |
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| 05:22.30 | dendrite | Ice777: You can read man pages (man aptitude for instance). |
| 05:22.31 | amphi | itchi: sure, go for it, empiricism FTW ;) |
| 05:22.43 | Ice777 | dendrite: just type in man aptitude? |
| 05:22.54 | dendrite | Ice777: Yes. |
| 05:23.21 | Ice777 | dendrite: anyway to connect to this IRC from command prompt? |
| 05:23.32 | dendrite | Ice777: One word of advice: Never run a command without understanding what it does. The key to understanding what commands do is to look at the man (or info) pages. |
| 05:23.48 | enouf | shouts to itchi .. dump wep |
| 05:23.53 | Ice777 | dendrite: sort of like /? with dos |
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| 05:24.21 | dendrite | Ice777: And you'll find that man pages are very dense, and take some thinking to understand. After a while you'll appreciate the lack of wasted words, and start to understand how they work. |
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| 05:24.46 | dendrite | Ice777: Well, /? is a command switch. Many commands in Linux also have help like that, usually invoked with --help |
| 05:24.58 | Ice777 | dendrite: same as man "object"? |
| 05:25.25 | dendrite | Ice777: For instance, aptitude --help shows a usage summary... |
| 05:25.46 | dendrite | Ice777: Yes, where "object" is something that's documented in the man pages, as are most commands and ABI calls. |
| 05:26.06 | Ice777 | dendrite: ABI? |
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| 05:26.18 | dendrite | Application Binary Interface. System calls. |
| 05:26.32 | dendrite | Ice777: Linux is very developer friendly. |
| 05:26.33 | Ice777 | dendrite: what would be an example of that? |
| 05:26.54 | dendrite | Ice777: man printf. Sort of. |
| 05:27.31 | Ice777 | dendrite: so the ABI would be the "printf"? |
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| 05:28.44 | dendrite | Ice777: Though most of the syscalls need the manpages-dev package installed. |
| 05:28.44 | dendrite | Ice777: So that may be a bit advanced, but it's food for thought. Bottom line, One of Linux's great advantages is how well it's documented, and how easy it is to get at that documentation. |
| 05:29.16 | bokey | dendrite: try reading unix haters and tell that. hehe.. |
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| 05:29.35 | Ice777 | dendrite: using the --help and man functions |
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| 05:29.57 | dendrite | Ice777: Well, that example is a bit strange. |
| 05:30.05 | dendrite | bokey: :-) |
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| 05:30.17 | bokey | dendrite: ho's it going ? |
| 05:30.26 | amphi | Ice777: 'apropos foo' is useful for listing manpages that relate to 'foo' |
| 05:30.26 | dendrite | Ice777: Do you know C? |
| 05:30.45 | Ice777 | dendrite: I know some C+ |
| 05:30.53 | bokey | Ice777: or even "man -k bar" |
| 05:31.08 | dendrite | Ice777: Well, calls to system stuff, like fopen, listen and so on, those are ABI calls. |
| 05:31.08 | bokey | Ice777: or even "wtf bar" |
| 05:31.10 | Ice777 | bokey: what does the -k bar do? |
| 05:31.16 | dendrite | Ice777: man man :-) |
| 05:31.22 | bokey | Ice777: it looks for keyword matching "bar" |
| 05:31.25 | omarish | how difficult is it to install apache2 with php5 and mysql? |
| 05:31.53 | Ice777 | dendrite: lol |
| 05:32.41 | bokey | omarish: depends on your expertise mate. |
| 05:32.45 | dendrite | omarish: Shouldn't be too difficult, but I know you're having troubles with installing, so maybe I should hold my tongue. |
| 05:32.59 | Ice777 | dendrite: Well thanks so much for your help. I'm heading off to bed and I'll tackle it tomorrow |
| 05:33.07 | omarish | dendrite |
| 05:33.08 | dendrite | Ice777: Enjoy! |
| 05:33.19 | omarish | * dendrite: it's not exactly troubles installing, more like restoring config files |
| 05:33.35 | dendrite | omarish: Did you get any joy out of confmiss? |
| 05:33.38 | dendrite | !confmiss |
| 05:33.38 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 05:37.04 | dendrite | omarish: Incidentally, when I need to delete system stuff, such as in /etc/* I usually make a directory nearby called trash, and just mv stuff there. That way I can undo... |
| 05:37.04 | dendrite | omarish: And once things seem copacetic, I can rm the trash... |
| 05:37.17 | omarish | dendrite: so when i want to reinstall the configs, apt-get -o apache2..., how does the syntax go with ::= ? |
| 05:37.26 | omarish | dendrite: true, haha i was being a bit hasty as root earlier |
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| 05:38.52 | dendrite | omarish: That factoid spells it out, I think. Hmm. *Is* apache2 a metapackage? |
| 05:39.10 | omarish | probably is |
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| 05:39.43 | dendrite | omarish: It's a front for apache2-mpm-worker | apache2-mpm-prefork | apache2-mpm-event |
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| 05:40.56 | dendrite | omarish: What kind of site, how busy? |
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| 05:41.34 | omarish | dendrite: what do you mean? site that i'm hosting? |
| 05:42.01 | dendrite | omarish: Yes. I'm leaning toward apache2-mpm-prefork but I don't really know your requirements. |
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| 05:42.50 | dob1 | debian now use rc.local? |
| 05:43.05 | pickcoder | dob1: yes |
| 05:43.08 | omarish | dendrite: basic basic apache man. low traffic. i'm just a college student experimenting with apache and the such |
| 05:43.48 | Guerin | eh? |
| 05:43.54 | Guerin | debian doesn't use rc.local by default |
| 05:44.06 | dob1 | after an upgrade i have rc.local on /etc/ |
| 05:44.09 | dendrite | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 05:44.19 | dendrite | omarish: That's my best guess. |
| 05:44.26 | Antypas | I want to learn programming but I find difficult to understand its terminology, object, class, statements, operators, vars, values. any hint? |
| 05:44.34 | Guerin | dendrite: that's about right |
| 05:44.43 | dob1 | Guerin: i am talking about testing/unstable |
| 05:44.50 | Guerin | Antypas: get a book from O'reilly |
| 05:45.08 | Guerin | Antypas: pick a language to start on, buy the corresponding book, go to it |
| 05:45.22 | Guerin | Antypas: askin which language will start a guaranteed flamewar |
| 05:45.29 | bokey | Antypas: me too <smalltalk> =( |
| 05:45.48 | Antypas | the problem is that most programming books require that you know programming |
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| 05:46.13 | Guerin | not the basic ones |
| 05:46.22 | bokey | Antypas: start with really simple OO language like Python/Java or sth similar. |
| 05:47.15 | bokey | Antypas: you have plenty of resource on the web for those 2 languages. |
| 05:47.53 | dendrite | Antypas: It may help to break things down, and try to understand smaller things, for instance the difference between an object and a class. |
| 05:47.55 | Guerin | and java will eventiually be legal, so it's verging on being unevil |
| 05:48.02 | Guerin | err, s/legal/free/ |
| 05:48.02 | bokey | Guerin: =) |
| 05:48.10 | rxKaffee | heh |
| 05:48.17 | bokey | Guerin: meaning GPL'ed already. =) |
| 05:48.21 | dendrite | Guerin: Free, maybe. Evil? Always. |
| 05:48.22 | rxKaffee | isn't it scheduled for free release in about a year? |
| 05:48.26 | Guerin | bokey: show me the money |
| 05:48.33 | rxKaffee | I heard that sun had a schedule fo free release |
| 05:48.44 | Guerin | rxKaffee: starting march 07, i think, yeah |
| 05:49.00 | bokey | rxKaffee: it's GPLed but the src build isn't possible. it'll be complete by early 2007. |
| 05:49.35 | rxKaffee | bokey: so you mean the free code is released, but severely broken? |
| 05:49.56 | bokey | rxKaffee: it can't be javac/java/rmid/orbd etc... |
| 05:50.02 | bokey | s/be/build |
| 05:50.23 | basanta | after installing basesystem I installed arts, kdelibs, kdebase, kdm, x-window-system-core what I am missing ? |
| 05:50.54 | Guerin | basanta: depends what you want. |
| 05:50.58 | rxKaffee | basanta: fluxbox ;) |
| 05:51.07 | basanta | I need kde |
| 05:51.13 | Guerin | !need |
| 05:51.14 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 05:51.40 | bokey | basanta: only god can help you. |
| 05:51.41 | bokey | !god |
| 05:51.42 | dpkg | god is, like, The omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Supreme Entity of the Universe. Or dead. |
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| 05:52.31 | tvn | can someone ask dpkg to tell me how to lock my /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 05:52.44 | Defty | basanta: install 'x-window-system' and 'kde' maybe-- |
| 05:52.51 | dendrite | tvn: Just /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 05:53.01 | tvn | but I don't know the keyword |
| 05:53.20 | basanta | Defty, ok |
| 05:53.20 | dendrite | tvn: /msg dpkg listkeys resolv might do it. |
| 05:53.33 | tvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.39 | enouf | heh |
| 05:53.47 | bokey | tvn: what's the prob ? |
| 05:53.53 | enouf | no spaces preceding |
| 05:53.58 | tvn | got it |
| 05:54.24 | dendrite | tvn: fixresolvconf is the factoid. :-) |
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| 05:55.30 | tvn | chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf <- what does this mean when I do 'chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf' ? |
| 05:55.50 | Guerin | tvn: be root |
| 05:56.15 | tvn | I did that as root |
| 05:56.26 | Guerin | hm |
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| 05:56.48 | dendrite | tvn: What flavor of debian? |
| 05:56.54 | tvn | etch |
| 05:56.59 | bokey | tvn: what's the prob ? again. you need to modify your /etc/dhclient.conf if you are using dhcp server to get your local ip address. |
| 05:57.21 | tvn | bokey: I don't want my resolv.conf file get modified whenever I reboot |
| 05:57.28 | bokey | tvn: don't mess with /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:57.30 | dendrite | I wonder if file system type matters... |
| 05:57.53 | dendrite | tvn: bokey's suggestion was one of the listed options. |
| 05:57.55 | bokey | tvn: open your /etc/dhclient.conf || /etc/dhclient/dhclient.conf and open up "supersede ....." |
| 05:58.04 | rxKaffee | tvn: well, the "dirty" way to do it would be to change the perms and remove write access to the file |
| 05:58.22 | Guerin | bokey: why not? |
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| 05:58.34 | dendrite | rxKaffee: That's what he's trying with the chattr... |
| 05:58.40 | Guerin | the *smart* way is to configure your dhcp client and such to not fuck with it |
| 05:58.40 | bokey | Guerin: what do you mean? |
| 05:58.45 | rxKaffee | ah, didn't see the chattr bit |
| 05:58.51 | Guerin | bokey: why not fuck with it? It's not amazingly complicated. |
| 05:59.12 | bokey | Guerin: nothing to say. |
| 05:59.13 | enouf | dendrite I just did as a user both on ext3fs --> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf and sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf .. no errors |
| 05:59.47 | tvn | I use reiserfs btw |
| 05:59.48 | rxKaffee | bokey: every network setup interface in every desktop environment messes with resolv.conf... its got a real easy syntax |
| 06:00.00 | dendrite | enouf: Yeah, I'd certainly expect it to work with ext2/3 |
| 06:00.30 | Guerin | tvn: possibly ricerfs doesn't do chattr |
| 06:00.35 | dendrite | "chattr - change file attributes on a Linux second extended file system" |
| 06:00.41 | Guerin | oh |
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| 06:00.43 | Guerin | there we have it |
| 06:00.49 | dendrite | chattr appears to be ext2/3 specific. |
| 06:00.52 | Guerin | nothing like reading some documentation |
| 06:00.57 | bokey | rxKaffee: yes. but resolv.conf gets changed when you get a lease from your router's dhcp server so instead of having to fiddle with the attribute field, I say do it once and for all. i.e., change dhclient.conf |
| 06:01.16 | bokey | rxKaffee: unless well configured. |
| 06:01.17 | dendrite | Guerin: Dang! You're onto my big secret. |
| 06:01.52 | Guerin | dendrite: it's ok, it'll never catch on |
| 06:02.00 | dendrite | Guerin: <grin> |
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| 06:03.36 | dendrite | Heh. Ricerfs =) |
| 06:03.39 | bokey | tvn: AFAIK it should be ok after you modify your dhclient.conf .. put your primary dns and secondary dns in there. |
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| 06:04.34 | omarish | dendrite: finally got it working! |
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| 06:05.05 | dendrite | omarish: Cool! |
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| 06:06.36 | omarish | dendrite: haha, but now comes another question. when i run apache, it says that i have no virtualhosts. even though i loaded one other config file aside from 000-default |
| 06:06.55 | dendrite | omarish: Did you link it in to sites-enabled? |
| 06:07.16 | omarish | dendrite: actually just created the config file in that dir |
| 06:07.27 | omarish | ill link it up instead, do it the right way. |
| 06:07.51 | dendrite | omarish: That's the sort of thing that one typically fiddles with when standing up apache. You'll sort it out in time. |
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| 06:08.11 | tvnguyen | bokey, I see 'supersede' in the dhclient.conf but that will replace the search ntdnsdomain.example.com. Where in that file can I put the 'nameserver' ? |
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| 06:08.46 | bokey | 203.87.88.2 |
| 06:09.01 | tvnguyen | oh my other nick is still in used ? |
| 06:09.15 | bokey | tvnguyen: supersede domain-name-servers 203.87.88.1, 203.87.88.2 ; |
| 06:09.38 | bokey | tvnguyen: open it up. |
| 06:10.50 | bokey | tvnguyen: then ifdown <your_eth_device>; and then ifup <your_eth_device> |
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| 06:11.31 | bokey | tvn: get it ? |
| 06:12.36 | tvn | hm I have supersede domain-name-servers 203.87.88.1, 203.87.88.2 in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 06:13.12 | bokey | tvn: that's my primary and secondary dns.. fill it with yours. |
| 06:13.26 | tvn | and I just do a dhclient as root (which disconnects me by the way), but once I get back online it still shows in /etc/resolv.conf something else |
| 06:13.33 | tvn | yeh I just use it for testing purpose ... |
| 06:13.56 | bokey | tvn: ? |
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| 06:14.54 | bokey | tvn: did you do ifdown and then ifup ? |
| 06:15.13 | tvn | no, I just do a dhclient ...let me try |
| 06:15.53 | YouCeyE | 2.6.18 kernel hangs on me. It used to boot properly but not any more. It hangs at the boot with a busy box shell. When it did not hang while booting, I had random hangs and only hard reboot helped.. anything wrong with 2.6.18? |
| 06:16.05 | noradix | no |
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| 06:20.01 | bokey | tvn: all good so far ? |
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| 06:20.48 | tvnguyen | bokey: it still doesn't set the resolv.conf correctly |
| 06:20.50 | bintut | gtg.. |
| 06:20.52 | bintut | thanks.. |
| 06:20.54 | tvnguyen | I wonder if dhclient reads that file at all |
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| 06:21.12 | tvnguyen | that's okay, I'll set everything to static instead of dhcp |
| 06:21.26 | iLLf8d | tvnguyen, which file? |
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| 06:21.45 | bokey | tvn: as I said, what does ifdown ethX and then ifup ethX do ? |
| 06:21.49 | iLLf8d | you can push entries into your resolv.conf with the dhclient.conf file usually |
| 06:21.55 | tvnguyen | /etc/dhclient.conf iLLf8d |
| 06:22.00 | iLLf8d | just make sure you're running the right debian version |
| 06:22.41 | iLLf8d | which deb do you show as your dhcpd? |
| 06:23.17 | tvnguyen | where can I past a bunch of stuffs ? |
| 06:23.23 | tvnguyen | is there a 'paste' channel ? |
| 06:23.24 | bokey | iLLf8d: tvn's resolv.conf keeps changing. i suggested to modify dhclient.conf to include supersede ..... that should work |
| 06:23.25 | iLLf8d | pastebin |
| 06:23.29 | iLLf8d | yeah #flood |
| 06:23.52 | bokey | !pastebin |
| 06:23.52 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 06:23.56 | iLLf8d | bokey, it should change as dhcp pushes a new entry |
| 06:24.03 | tvnguyen | bokey: can you go to #flood to see my output ? |
| 06:24.17 | DaBlade | Is there a way to set the system to sync the time with an NTP server once every week? |
| 06:24.24 | DaBlade | (weekly cron) |
| 06:24.30 | bokey | iLLf8d: yeah, I told him to do ifdown and ifup, but he doesn't seem to care. so I might care even less. |
| 06:24.57 | tvnguyen | I did ... that's why I keep getting disconnected since I brought down the interface |
| 06:25.07 | iLLf8d | ah |
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| 06:25.31 | iLLf8d | tvnguyen, if you're getting disconnected its probably no your dhcp setup |
| 06:25.58 | bokey | tvnguyen: should be connected now. and your /etc/resolv.conf ? how does it look ? |
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| 06:26.09 | tvnguyen | search hsd1.pa.comcast.net. |
| 06:26.10 | tvnguyen | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:26.12 | iLLf8d | tvnguyen, if you're using the wrong word (ie not disconnected but losing your dns service) thats probably your isp fucking up |
| 06:26.50 | bokey | tvnguyen: that's your router's ip. |
| 06:26.54 | tvnguyen | I know |
| 06:27.09 | bokey | tvnguyen: put your ISP's dns both pri and sec |
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| 06:27.16 | Tallu | LANGUAGE = "en_FI:en_US:en_GB:en", uhm, how can I remove the first locale? I cant dpkg-reconfigure locales since that first one doesnt even exist and its the default locale and its messing things up |
| 06:27.17 | tvnguyen | it keeps putting those back in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:27.35 | bokey | tvnguyen: can you put your dhclient.conf @ #flood |
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| 06:27.48 | iLLf8d | bokey, could be a fucked up isp |
| 06:28.21 | bokey | iLLf8d: could be. don't know. only he can check his log @ his router and tell us if his DSL carrier is down/up. |
| 06:28.32 | tvnguyen | cable |
| 06:28.41 | bokey | tvnguyen: cable for that matter. |
| 06:28.52 | bokey | tvnguyen: where's dhclient.conf @ #flood ? |
| 06:29.10 | iLLf8d | you should have him check /var/lib/dhcp<optional #>.leases.interface file |
| 06:29.31 | tvnguyen | I pasted the content of /etc/dhclient.conf to #flood .. did you se e? |
| 06:30.09 | bokey | tvnguyen: nope. |
| 06:30.09 | bokey | put it @ pastebin |
| 06:30.09 | bokey | !pastebin |
| 06:30.09 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 06:30.17 | iLLf8d | nope paste must not have worked |
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| 06:31.09 | bokey | iLLf8d: are you really illfated ? ;) |
| 06:31.33 | iLLf8d | bokey, he may wanna nmap 192.168.1.0/24 and see if anything isp pops out |
| 06:32.21 | iLLf8d | bokey, I dunno we'll see, I just have HUGELY bad luck |
| 06:32.42 | tvnguyen | haha I can't go to any of those pastebin url ... can't resolve any of those addresses |
| 06:32.48 | bokey | iLLf8d: =). |
| 06:32.55 | bokey | tvn: uncomment these => request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, |
| 06:32.55 | bokey | tvnguyen domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name, |
| 06:32.55 | bokey | tvnguyen netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu; |
| 06:33.04 | iLLf8d | tvnguyen, edit your resolv.conf and put in nameserver 4.2.2.2 |
| 06:33.06 | bokey | tvn: i mean comment it. |
| 06:33.11 | iLLf8d | as the first entry |
| 06:33.12 | bokey | =) |
| 06:33.14 | iLLf8d | remove it later |
| 06:33.32 | bokey | iLLf8d: his resolv.conf keeps changing. |
| 06:33.46 | iLLf8d | yeah when he does something =P |
| 06:33.47 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:33.50 | bokey | tvnguyen: did you get it ? comment those above lines. only leave supersede ... line uncommented |
| 06:34.03 | tvnguyen | yeh doing it as we speak |
| 06:34.59 | bokey | iLLf8d: why you consider yourself as unlucky. there's sure billions unluckier than you. =) cheer up. |
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| 06:36.33 | iLLf8d | bokey, heh well I'm not unlucky in areas that really matter (like sickness or having a roof over my head) |
| 06:36.47 | bokey | iLLf8d: =) |
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| 06:37.16 | iLLf8d | although... if there was a sniper shooting at a stadium full of people randomly I'd be the first one to go =P |
| 06:37.27 | bokey | iLLf8d: haha.. =) |
| 06:37.57 | iLLf8d | and it'd probably be by accident windage or something |
| 06:38.21 | bokey | iLLf8d: snipers have something more important to do. hehe.. ;) |
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| 06:40.37 | tvnguyen | am I still connected ? |
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| 06:41.24 | bokey | tvnguyen: yeah. |
| 06:41.39 | bokey | iLLf8d: and then ? |
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| 06:42.21 | tvnguyen | I think I figure out the problem ... it won't read the file /etc/dhclient.conf but instead /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 06:42.36 | tvnguyen | so no matter what I put in /etc/dhclient.conf gets ignored |
| 06:42.36 | iLLf8d | tvnguyen, if you're connected we can't hear you |
| 06:42.40 | iLLf8d | tvnguyen, maybe you better reconnect |
| 06:42.59 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 06:43.02 | bokey | tvnguyen: i told you that earlier didn't I ? /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf || /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 06:43.16 | bokey | tvnguyen: that "||" is OR sign. |
| 06:43.26 | iLLf8d | oh I thought that was a ladder w/out the steps |
| 06:43.33 | bokey | iLLf8d: haha.. |
| 06:43.37 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:44.01 | iLLf8d | should turn that into a blonde sysadmin joke |
| 06:44.23 | tvnguyen | but it still puts the search hsd1.pa.comcast.net. in front of the nameserver |
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| 06:44.33 | tvnguyen | can I get rid off that somehow ? |
| 06:44.35 | Linux50 | hello everyone |
| 06:45.03 | iLLf8d | how goes it Linux50 |
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| 06:45.49 | Linux50 | Im rather new to debian. I was trying to configure nfs server. |
| 06:45.59 | bokey | tvnguyen: does it work now without changing resolv.conf || not ? |
| 06:46.01 | Linux50 | my exports file shows the following |
| 06:46.30 | Linux50 | --> /mnt/hda/amd1800 192.168.0.0/16(rw,sync,root_squash) |
| 06:46.39 | Linux50 | yet when i try to connect remotely |
| 06:46.42 | tvnguyen | bokey: yes it works now (which appends the dns numbers I wanted to resolv.conf) . But it still has the search hsd1.pa.comcast.net. |
| 06:46.48 | Linux50 | my local pc tells me i dont have any permissions |
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| 06:47.19 | Linux50 | mount: linkstation:/mnt/hda/amd1800 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 06:47.32 | bokey | tvnguyen: don't worry about it. |
| 06:47.54 | tvnguyen | oh ok ... thanks :] you have been a great help |
| 06:47.56 | bokey | tvnguyen: it should work automagically now. |
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| 06:48.08 | bokey | tvnguyen: np. |
| 06:48.54 | iLLf8d | Linux50, not sure offhand I'd have to goof with a bit to figure it out only used nfs a few times |
| 06:49.06 | iLLf8d | Linux50, usually I use samba or sshfs |
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| 06:49.46 | Linux50 | how can i check if i have the right nfs installed? |
| 06:50.05 | deadcat | Linux50: dpkg -l |grep nfs |
| 06:50.05 | iLLf8d | Linux50, make sure you add another option in nfs too I forget what its called soft something |
| 06:50.08 | Guerin | if you have one installed, it's right |
| 06:50.18 | iLLf8d | Linux50, it tells it not to try to mount it (or hang) if itcan't find it |
| 06:50.25 | bokey | Linux50: just a suggestion, can you set umask=0222 on /mnt/hda/amd1800 ? |
| 06:51.36 | Linux50 | drwxrwxrwx 6 root root 4096 Jun 9 08:50 amd1800 |
| 06:52.13 | bokey | Linux50: are you root ? |
| 06:52.31 | Linux50 | yes |
| 06:52.50 | Linux50 | i ran the dpkg | grep nfs |
| 06:52.52 | bokey | Linux50: what does tail -f /var/log/message say ? put it @ #flood |
| 06:52.55 | Linux50 | and this was my result |
| 06:52.56 | Linux50 | ii nfs-user-serve 2.2beta47-20sa User space NFS server |
| 06:53.01 | bokey | Linux50: what does tail -f /var/log/messages say ? put it @ #flood |
| 06:53.42 | Linux50 | Nov 16 19:43:01 LINKSTATION -- MARK -- |
| 06:53.48 | rxKaffee | uh oh |
| 06:53.50 | Linux50 | messages gives no info |
| 06:54.04 | streuner_ | !mark |
| 06:54.04 | dpkg | hmm... mark is Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 06:54.04 | rxKaffee | -f + irc doesn't sound so good |
| 06:54.09 | Linux50 | im running debian on my buffalo linkstation running mips. Its awesome |
| 06:55.39 | bokey | iLLf8d: later |
| 06:56.17 | tengulre | how to fix the apt tool? |
| 06:56.18 | Linux50 | dpkg: okay i did it |
| 06:56.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:56.41 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:57.35 | streuner_ | tengulre: what's wrong with apt? |
| 06:57.36 | iLLf8d | bokey, you taking off? |
| 06:57.38 | Linux50 | so do i have the right nfs package installed? |
| 06:57.38 | tengulre | when I running the apt-get install kdebase, I got many error message, like "Depends: kwin(>=3.2...)"? |
| 06:57.44 | Linux50 | Nov 16 19:43:01 LINKSTATION -- MARK -- |
| 06:57.48 | Linux50 | sorry |
| 06:57.50 | Linux50 | wrong paste |
| 06:57.58 | bokey | iLLf8d: still here. just that i have something important. =) |
| 06:58.02 | streuner_ | tengulre: show us your sources.list in PASTE |
| 06:58.06 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 06:58.06 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:58.19 | iLLf8d | sorry wife stuck a burrito in front of me which isn't overly laptop friendly |
| 06:58.38 | iLLf8d | bokey, ah pr0n I gotcha |
| 06:58.48 | Linux50 | dpkg: do i have the right nfs package installed? |
| 06:58.52 | bokey | iLLf8d: hehe.. =) you guessed it. |
| 06:59.24 | streuner_ | dpkg, What are you? |
| 06:59.24 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:59.59 | iLLf8d | Linux50, have you checked out /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4? |
| 07:00.13 | Linux50 | no |
| 07:00.27 | iLLf8d | take a look |
| 07:00.36 | streuner_ | Are you using ubuntu? |
| 07:00.40 | iLLf8d | deb docs are usually very helpful |
| 07:00.41 | Linux50 | debian |
| 07:00.55 | iLLf8d | and I'm not saying that sarcastically |
| 07:01.01 | Linux50 | i dont have nfs-common |
| 07:01.11 | Linux50 | i have nfs-user-server |
| 07:01.16 | iLLf8d | deb often debianizes config file layouts and paths so always start with your docs |
| 07:01.23 | iLLf8d | no nfs-common? |
| 07:01.23 | streuner_ | try nfs-kernel-server |
| 07:01.43 | Linux50 | nope |
| 07:02.10 | iLLf8d | wow thats right its not in the depends list |
| 07:02.23 | tengulre | my problem is how to update the change the apt sources from http to cd-rom? |
| 07:02.40 | iLLf8d | have you checked the /usr/share/doc/nfs-server/README.Debian.gz file? |
| 07:02.50 | Linux50 | how do i search for packages again? |
| 07:02.50 | iLLf8d | theres probably one there too or a README.Debian |
| 07:02.53 | streuner_ | tengulre: comment all line with 'http' and run apt-cdrom add? |
| 07:03.00 | iLLf8d | apt-cache search <pkgname> |
| 07:03.03 | streuner_ | s/line/lines/ |
| 07:03.09 | tengulre | streuner_: yes. |
| 07:03.09 | Linux50 | nfs-user-server is the only one present |
| 07:03.46 | streuner_ | tengulre: show us your fucking sources.list |
| 07:04.22 | streuner_ | tengulre: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 07:04.40 | iLLf8d | streuner_, lol |
| 07:04.57 | tengulre | streuner_ : I running the VMware , I don't konw how to copy it from VMware. ;( |
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| 07:05.45 | iLLf8d | streuner_, I think he's wearing a debian tshirt tho |
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| 07:07.24 | Linux50 | nfs-user-server - User space NFS server <-------What does user space mean? |
| 07:07.44 | Linux50 | the above is the actual nfs server right? |
| 07:07.55 | streuner_ | iLLf8d: you prolly never saw some screenshots were people have about 20 OS's installed using vmware :-) |
| 07:08.14 | Malagmyr | Linux50: yes |
| 07:08.28 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:08.31 | Malagmyr | Linux50: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Userspace |
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| 07:08.39 | Linux50 | okay |
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| 07:10.25 | bokey | iLLf8d: =) |
| 07:10.55 | Linux50 | ty |
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| 07:11.44 | evil_andy | how the heck do I display the dependencies of a package? |
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| 07:11.58 | iLLf8d | apt-cache showpkg <pkgname> |
| 07:12.03 | evil_andy | I'm looking through the different dpkg options but can't seem to find one... |
| 07:12.04 | streuner_ | iLLf8d: no joke |
| 07:12.04 | evil_andy | ahh thanks |
| 07:12.08 | iLLf8d | apt-cache show <pkgname> = description |
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| 07:15.42 | streuner_ | or /msg dpkg depends <package> if you already here |
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| 07:18.56 | evil_andy | streuner_, ahh, thanks |
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| 07:19.55 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 07:20.05 | tengulre | how to install kde ? |
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| 07:23.31 | TraceGreen | Hello, does anyone know dvb-ttpci? |
| 07:24.08 | TraceGreen | my video card is ati x1300 |
| 07:29.51 | itchi | tengulre: See /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 07:31.50 | itchi | tengulre: Maybe you are interested too /msg dpkg search |
| 07:33.40 | tengulre | itchi: thanks! |
| 07:33.50 | tengulre | itchi: where are you come from? |
| 07:33.59 | TraceGreen | Hello, 1002:7146 is video driver for ati x1300, and i cat /lib/module/2.6.11-1-686/modules.pcimap | grep 1002 | grep 7146 and get dvb-ttpci, Does it meas dvb-ttpci is ati x1300's driver? |
| 07:34.48 | itchi | tengulre: From Mars |
| 07:34.58 | tengulre | itchi: hehe... |
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| 07:35.36 | itchi | tengulre: Try /whois username |
| 07:36.09 | tengulre | 'chi' in my country is a family name. |
| 07:36.40 | itchi | tengulre: Im near Brussels |
| 07:37.12 | itchi | tengulre: But like the country is not so big here, i can not be are far away of Brussels :-) |
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| 07:37.20 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 07:37.58 | tengulre | itchi: OK! sorry to trouble u! ;) |
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| 07:38.10 | itchi | tengulre: No, you not trouble me ;-) |
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| 07:42.06 | null | linux-image-xen-686 <--- what does the xen means? |
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| 07:43.07 | itchi | null: If you use virtualisation, if you not know about it, sure you not need it |
| 07:43.48 | itchi | null: It's for the 'xen' stuff, do an apt search on xen. Probably you not need that xen kernel package, if you ask about it |
| 07:44.13 | null | at the moment I have 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4, but I don't see any kernel for em64 anymore |
| 07:44.36 | itchi | null: Which architecture is that? |
| 07:44.52 | null | it's my ibm x226 |
| 07:45.21 | itchi | null: I dunno about em64t |
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| 07:47.11 | null | what about 64bits machine, which kernel is recommended? |
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| 07:52.33 | eeyore- | do you want to run x86_64? there are still some issues |
| 07:52.41 | Edward_TLS | ow.. ? |
| 07:52.49 | Edward_TLS | i'm running it on a few servers... |
| 07:52.53 | niles | hi |
| 07:53.01 | niles | what is a "nice" value ? |
| 07:53.13 | Edward_TLS | -9 |
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| 07:53.15 | null | eeyore-: what issues? |
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| 07:53.51 | eeyore- | null: compatibility with some binary drivers ... games |
| 07:54.13 | eeyore- | nothing that would affect 'serious' uses, much |
| 07:54.16 | null | eeyore-: I want to install on my server |
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| 07:54.49 | null | my mail server uses 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4 |
| 07:55.19 | IdahoEv | I would like to setup power management, but "modprobe acpi" returns a pair of errors beginning with "Error inserting processor" and "Error inserting acpi". Does this mean my box does not support acpi? I am using 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 07:56.07 | eeyore- | IdahoEv: ls /proc/acpi |
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| 07:56.30 | IdahoEv | eeyore-: No such file or directory |
| 07:56.39 | eeyore- | IdahoEv: how old is the motherboard? |
| 07:56.54 | IdahoEv | eeyore-: Circa 2000 |
| 07:57.03 | IdahoEv | maybe 1999 even |
| 07:57.39 | eeyore- | IdahoEv: that is iffy ... why not boot into bios and check if there's any option like [ ] ACPI-aware OS? |
| 07:58.00 | IdahoEv | I will try that, thanks |
| 07:58.15 | eeyore- | IdahoEv: acpi really came out with the 'windows 98' era |
| 07:58.36 | eeyore- | IdahoEv: which i think really came out in, what, 1999 right? |
| 07:58.48 | IdahoEv | eeyore-: this box burns power like a mofo; enough that replacing it will be worth the electricity savings within a few months if it is not supported |
| 07:59.35 | eeyore- | acpi alone doesn't guarantee you'll get power management :-) your CPU has to support power throttling too. i doubt it. 'desktop' CPUs with power management didn't come out until later. |
| 08:00.36 | eeyore- | IdahoEv: why not get a board based around core duo, athlonxp, or pentium m? even epia low-power boards ... |
| 08:01.42 | null | what does it mean by bigmem? linux-image-2.6.18-2-686-bigmem |
| 08:02.00 | eeyore- | null: > 4GB? |
| 08:02.04 | null | ok |
| 08:03.33 | null | eeyore: so could I use linux-image-2.6.18-2-686 to change my 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4? |
| 08:03.44 | IdahoEv | eeyore-: mostly i'm concerned about being able to sleep or at least spin down HD's and wake on network access. The box is a headless svn server that gets accessed about 2x per week but needs to be available 24/7 remotely. Sadly budget is near zero. |
| 08:03.47 | IdahoEv | eeyore-: BIOS has no mention of ACPI; only a couple of mentions of APM. |
| 08:03.54 | eeyore- | null: well ... when you installed debian, did you install the x86_64 version? |
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| 08:04.24 | null | eeyore-: do you mean the em64t kernel? |
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| 08:04.44 | eeyore- | null: no |
| 08:04.48 | null | what is that then |
| 08:04.59 | eeyore- | null: what does 'uname -a' say for your em64t kernel? |
| 08:05.28 | eeyore- | null: not sure about debian naming scheme, let's take it one step at a time :-) |
| 08:05.54 | null | yes |
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| 08:06.14 | null | eeyore-: I am using ibm x226 |
| 08:06.32 | null | and i use 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4 as the kernel |
| 08:06.43 | eeyore- | what's the output of "uname -a"? |
| 08:06.59 | null | Linux mail.azrb.com 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4 #1 Mon May 30 21:17:59 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:07.27 | eeyore- | null: OK, see the "x86_64" at the end? you're in 64-bit mode |
| 08:07.33 | itchi | Monday?? |
| 08:07.34 | null | yes I am |
| 08:07.40 | null | that's what I am telling |
| 08:08.11 | eeyore- | null: short story, any kernel you download and install, regardless of what the name of the package is ... if it doesn't say "x86_64" in the 'uname', you're not in 64-bit :-) |
| 08:08.13 | itchi | 2005, man do the upgrade! |
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| 08:08.17 | eeyore- | null: it's a roundabout way to go |
| 08:08.38 | eeyore- | null: but that's the best i can do, since i don't know how debian name their kernels |
| 08:09.02 | itchi | null: heh, why is the clock not righ?? ;-) |
| 08:09.19 | Edward_TLS | who uses apache 2.x.x with mod_gzip.. ? |
| 08:09.20 | null | UTC |
| 08:09.28 | Edward_TLS | i'm looking for load calculations |
| 08:09.28 | eeyore- | null: no :-) |
| 08:09.37 | Guerin | !anyone use apache 2.x.x with mod_gzip.. ? |
| 08:09.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses apache 2.x.x with mod_gzip.., not even the people who use it. |
| 08:09.38 | eeyore- | null: it's not UTC because your computer thinks it's still 2005 |
| 08:09.42 | null | we are at GMT+8 |
| 08:09.48 | null | is't? |
| 08:09.52 | eeyore- | null: oh wait, date of compilation sorry |
| 08:10.00 | null | Fri Nov 17 16:14:40 MYT 2006 |
| 08:10.00 | eeyore- | :-) |
| 08:10.08 | eeyore- | nevermind |
| 08:10.18 | Edward_TLS | ? |
| 08:10.19 | itchi | Gnome have always one houre more here, how come that? It's been on +1 here |
| 08:10.20 | Guerin | !myt |
| 08:10.22 | eeyore- | null: anyhow, run it, uname it :-) |
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| 08:11.26 | RvGaTe | good morning freenode ! :) |
| 08:11.29 | itchi | Time zone is been right |
| 08:11.38 | itchi | RvGaTe: heh, that's long time ago ;-) |
| 08:12.18 | RvGaTe | itchi, yup, im back at work again :) |
| 08:12.30 | itchi | RvGaTe: That's good news ;-) |
| 08:12.45 | RvGaTe | itchi, doing the same stuff i did a few months ago, at the same place i was a few months ago, with the same people a few months ago, but this time for a different school (stagelopen) |
| 08:13.03 | null | eeyore-: do you think I could just run the linux-image-2.6.18-2-686 ? |
| 08:13.10 | eeyore- | Guerin: when you have a paycheck? :-) |
| 08:13.18 | Guerin | eeyore-: point. |
| 08:13.21 | itchi | Guerin: These days, yes ;-) |
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| 08:14.02 | eeyore- | UK? |
| 08:14.06 | RvGaTe | NL |
| 08:14.06 | itchi | null: That previous message was not especially to you, my console need to be are fixed |
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| 08:14.42 | eeyore- | i should go to bed ... |
| 08:14.43 | eeyore- | night all |
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| 08:14.56 | tengulre | how to say 'Debian', [di:`ban]? |
| 08:15.02 | abro | how do I shutdown a server at a specific time, say on the 21st |
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| 08:15.30 | RvGaTe | abro, you could set a delay |
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| 08:16.00 | abro | RvGaTe: is it measured in seconds? |
| 08:16.06 | RvGaTe | abro, yes |
| 08:16.20 | null | how do I purge the left over config file of the removed packages? |
| 08:16.31 | abro | RvGaTe: is it also possible to use 'at' command? |
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| 08:16.42 | RvGaTe | abro, http://www.hmug.org/man/8/shutdown.php looks like you need to use -r |
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| 08:16.46 | derek | Hi |
| 08:16.52 | honschu | fsck.ext3 exits at 90% with the words: "Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity, Root inode is not a directory; aborting." What can I do? |
| 08:17.11 | RvGaTe | abro, so you'll get: shutdown -r yymmddhhmm |
| 08:17.44 | RvGaTe | abro, whoops, man shutdown for macos.. :P |
| 08:17.50 | derek | http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation:Debian -- here it asks me do install - apt-get install wine libxxf86dga1 libxxf86vm1 -- but apt-get says could not find package libxxf86dgal |
| 08:18.09 | abro | RvGaTe: thanks, I know what to do now |
| 08:18.19 | RvGaTe | abro, http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?shutdown+8 the last url was for macos |
| 08:19.06 | RvGaTe | abro, The time argument can have different formats. First, it can be an |
| 08:19.06 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.07 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.07 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:19.24 | honschu | Hi, fsck.ext3 exits at 90% with the words: "Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity, Root inode is not a directory; aborting." What can I do? |
| 08:19.34 | RvGaTe | hate it when that happens |
| 08:20.10 | RvGaTe | abro, The time argument can have different formats. First, it can be an absolute time in the format hh:mm, in which hh is the hour (1 or 2 dig-its) and mm is the minute of the hour (in two digits).Second, it can be in the format +m, in which m is the number of minutes to wait. The word now is an alias for +0. |
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| 08:20.34 | abro | RvGaTe: heh, cool, I am going to do this shutdown -h 200611220000 |
| 08:20.57 | derek | Please someone help me |
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| 08:21.02 | abro | 22/11/2006 00 hours 00 mins |
| 08:21.11 | RvGaTe | abro, no no no, thats for mac only :S |
| 08:21.33 | RvGaTe | abro, that one will shutdown in 200611220000 seconds |
| 08:21.46 | itchi | derek: Try out apt-cache search libxxf86dga1 |
| 08:21.48 | RvGaTe | abro, ^halt :P |
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| 08:21.50 | itchi | derek: You get it |
| 08:21.58 | derek | itchi, nothing |
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| 08:22.16 | JeffH | Is Etch still on track to be released next month? |
| 08:22.36 | itchi | derek: Which release are you running? |
| 08:22.42 | derek | testing |
| 08:22.53 | derek | itchi, dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 08:22.54 | itchi | JeffH: See /msg dpkg WIR |
| 08:22.58 | abro | RvGaTe: ohh, yeah, but it says 'specify a future time in one of two formats: +number, or yymmddhhmm,' so what should I do? |
| 08:23.00 | derek | a week ago may be |
| 08:23.09 | itchi | derek: From sarge to? |
| 08:23.14 | RvGaTe | abro, read the top of the page.... its for MacOS |
| 08:23.23 | RvGaTe | abro, i accidently gave you the wrong link |
| 08:23.29 | JeffH | ooh yeah.. the great open source mantra.. when its ready.. |
| 08:23.44 | abro | RvGaTe: ahh, will have to get the Debian one |
| 08:23.51 | derek | itchi, testing |
| 08:23.53 | JeffH | otherwise known as 'we don't really know' |
| 08:24.15 | itchi | derek: It's in Section: libs |
| 08:24.37 | Guerin | JeffH: /msh dpkg etch pool 1 |
| 08:24.37 | itchi | derek: libxxf86dga1 - X11 Direct Graphics Access extension library |
| 08:24.40 | RvGaTe | abro, in console, type: man shutdown |
| 08:24.45 | Guerin | JeffH: foa a sample of opinions |
| 08:24.56 | RvGaTe | abro, and read the "time" section |
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| 08:25.15 | derek | itchi, yes got it. I was typing l instead of 1 at the end of the package name |
| 08:25.29 | itchi | derek: haha ;-) |
| 08:25.36 | derek | :) |
| 08:25.41 | JeffH | looks like most people think it'll slip to next year. |
| 08:26.08 | Guerin | JeffH: #debianites are natively pessimistic |
| 08:26.25 | itchi | JeffH: Yeah, if it fall on my birhtdate, it's also next year, just2 days after the /new/ year |
| 08:26.58 | JeffH | I need to start looking at what migrating is going to take. |
| 08:27.32 | RvGaTe | JeffH, i hope that a dist-upgrade is anough :P |
| 08:27.33 | abro | RvGaTe: sounds like there are 3 ways you can do it, in sec, in min, or hh:mm, |
| 08:27.40 | RvGaTe | abro, yes |
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| 08:28.07 | RvGaTe | abro, but minutes requires +m |
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| 08:28.13 | JeffH | RvGaTe: I've got some important databases.. I'm not going to just hope dist-upgrade is enough. |
| 08:28.18 | derek | hey Sup3rkiddo |
| 08:28.36 | Sup3rkiddo | derek, hey |
| 08:28.39 | itchi | JeffH: Taka a backup before it, to be sure |
| 08:28.41 | RvGaTe | JeffH, there is a magic word called.... "backup" :P |
| 08:28.52 | JeffH | that's a given. |
| 08:28.59 | RvGaTe | JeffH, saved my life a few times |
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| 08:29.26 | itchi | JeffH: But, if you find that your data is important, you have already an backup system up and running; otherwise it's no important data |
| 08:29.48 | JeffH | itchi: of course I have backup in place. |
| 08:30.15 | JeffH | pg_dump runs from my windows box every night. |
| 08:30.51 | JeffH | Is there an easy way to find out what version of a particular package will be in etch? |
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| 08:31.24 | RvGaTe | JeffH, i know you can find what version is has atm |
| 08:31.36 | itchi | JeffH: You want to know the version of an package that are installed? |
| 08:31.40 | JeffH | that's fine, how do I do that? |
| 08:31.51 | RvGaTe | JeffH, http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages |
| 08:31.53 | itchi | JeffH: dpkg -l foo |
| 08:32.24 | JeffH | itchi: that will give me the version I have installed.. not the version currently in testing. |
| 08:32.28 | derek | why does the computer seem like hanging when I run apt-get install ? |
| 08:32.37 | derek | especially while it is "setting up.." |
| 08:32.44 | itchi | yeah, that's what i have say to |
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| 08:33.04 | itchi | JeffH: apt-cache show foo then |
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| 08:33.15 | RvGaTe | JeffH, did you got my link ? |
| 08:33.29 | JeffH | yeah I did RvGaTe, looking at it now. |
| 08:34.31 | KuRuPtMaN | ok ppl im having trouble with the kernel update i just did.. i upgraded kernel cause there was no version.h... and i needed this to get alsa to do ./configure... now my mouse dont work and on startup i get the error module psmouse not found... HELP! |
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| 08:36.16 | cydork | KuRuPtMaN: how did you do the upgrade? for which package are you doing ./configure? |
| 08:36.27 | KuRuPtMaN | anyone? |
| 08:37.03 | JeffH | Is there a good web based frontend for apt-get? |
| 08:37.19 | RvGaTe | my boss just gave me an project... worth 30.000 \o/ |
| 08:37.32 | RvGaTe | ^euro that is |
| 08:37.44 | KuRuPtMaN | haha kool bt can u help me?? |
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| 08:38.08 | RvGaTe | KuRuPtMaN, if i could, i would've |
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| 08:38.19 | KuRuPtMaN | lol |
| 08:38.30 | KuRuPtMaN | maybe i needa try lq :) |
| 08:38.31 | itchi | JeffH: Yes, http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/modules/apt/ |
| 08:38.35 | KuRuPtMaN | cya! |
| 08:38.36 | cydork | KuRuPtMaN: can you answer my questions? |
| 08:38.43 | cydork | huh? |
| 08:38.57 | itchi | already gone |
| 08:38.59 | itchi | crap |
| 08:39.19 | RvGaTe | what a moron |
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| 08:41.10 | cydork | RvGaTe: so what kind of project is that? :P |
| 08:41.24 | RvGaTe | cydork, some web-app for a client.... a big one |
| 08:42.00 | cydork | RvGaTe: humm java? ajax? |
| 08:42.06 | RvGaTe | cydork, ajax |
| 08:42.12 | itchi | Ariel |
| 08:42.24 | buu | Ok seriously now, why does vim-perl depend on vim-gui? |
| 08:42.26 | itchi | Or homo ultra, that's sounds nice |
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| 08:42.43 | RvGaTe | itchi, :P |
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| 08:43.32 | itchi | buu: Maybe should we think to, what does vim-perl do?? |
| 08:44.03 | buu | itchi: I'm guessing IT INVOKES VIM. |
| 08:44.10 | buu | (OR rather, installs vim) |
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| 08:44.21 | cydork | buu: coz it Replaces: vim-gtk :P |
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| 08:44.37 | buu | cydork: Gah. So lame. So how do I get 'vim' with 'perl' |
| 08:44.45 | buu | That doesn't involve installing X? |
| 08:45.25 | cydork | buu: dont ask me. i use emacs :) |
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| 08:46.01 | buu | I'm sorry. |
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| 08:47.26 | cydork | buu: huh? sorry for what?? |
| 08:47.35 | itchi | buu: I dunno too, but i think it's interesting for you to get that vim-perl deb an extract it an anlyse it. |
| 08:49.02 | itchi | buu: It's the same with vim-python |
| 08:49.47 | Phated_ | buu: Because vim-perl is a version of vim compiled with perl scripting support and THE GTK2 GUI. |
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| 08:50.02 | Phated_ | apt-cache show - always there for you (on any Debian system). |
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| 08:50.48 | buu | Phated_: Holy cow! That was fast! |
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| 08:51.28 | badcfe | argc! apparently the netinst is not bootable. 8-( |
| 08:51.42 | itchi | badcfe: Sure?? |
| 08:51.47 | Phated | buu: <shrug> why didn't you look at apt-cache show? |
| 08:51.57 | itchi | badcfe: Burned thing for the trash |
| 08:52.23 | itchi | Phated: Have look to it, but the euro piece have not yet fall :-/ |
| 08:52.36 | badcfe | itchi: observation is -- i booted sarge from cd ok (but problem durint install) -- inserted debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and no boot |
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| 08:53.22 | badcfe | itchi: so i guess i should use the debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso and jump off the installation procedure updating the sources.list and continue from net.. |
| 08:53.29 | itchi | badcfe: You have burn that cd as an image file? You have not drag and drop that iso to the cd? |
| 08:53.53 | itchi | badcfe: Ug i not understand |
| 08:54.00 | badcfe | itchi: i have used "burncd data file.iso" on a bsd61 box |
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| 08:55.14 | badcfe | oops .. |
| 08:55.14 | badcfe | /dev/ad6s1a 507630 504708 -37688 108% / |
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| 08:55.23 | badcfe | while downloading the iso heh. |
| 08:55.24 | itchi | badcfe: Maybe try to explain it clearly? |
| 08:55.42 | itchi | yup, looks strange |
| 08:55.58 | badcfe | itchi: The computer says "please insert bootable media" when i insert the netinst cd. |
| 08:56.28 | badcfe | itchi: the sarge install cd 1 works better (as it boots) |
| 08:56.29 | Phated | itchi: ? |
| 08:56.38 | itchi | badcfe: Maybe there have goes somethings wrong when burning?? I not know about the tool you have used to do the job |
| 08:56.57 | itchi | Phated: Yes? |
| 08:57.05 | badcfe | itchi: is it possible to write too slow to a cd. i know cds are fuzzy logic so... |
| 08:57.09 | Phated | itchi: 16:52 < itchi> | Phated: Have look to it, but the euro piece have not yet fall :-/ |
| 08:57.26 | itchi | Phated: Yeah, you saw to look with apt-cache show ... |
| 08:57.43 | Phated | And...? |
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| 08:58.16 | itchi | Phated: Nothings particular ;-) |
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| 08:58.23 | TheUni7 | sup |
| 08:58.53 | badcfe | i think thats it. i write at 4x this time. otherwise i write at max to the cd. |
| 08:59.02 | badcfe | the resulting cd ... |
| 08:59.02 | badcfe | mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Input/output error |
| 08:59.06 | itchi | badcfe: Mostly, it's because we write to fast to an cd |
| 08:59.31 | itchi | ug |
| 08:59.32 | badcfe | but hey, this is more a cd-medium or hardware or freebsd or maybe fuzzy logic issue, not debian.. |
| 08:59.46 | itchi | yup |
| 09:00.16 | badcfe | but its interresting: on my dvd-drive i can write a cd on max speed, but if i use 4x the result is corrupted. |
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| 09:01.21 | badcfe | so this cd is really ready for the physical trash can. maybe ill have fun breaking it too |
| 09:01.51 | Phated | willitblend.com ;) |
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| 09:01.53 | itchi | badcfe: Yeah try to touch bill with it :-) |
| 09:02.11 | badcfe | in a would without fences who needs gates? |
| 09:02.36 | itchi | Everyone need the gate :-p |
| 09:03.00 | badcfe | by the way, if you write "bill gates" on your mac Terminal, it will ask "kill gates?" |
| 09:03.25 | badcfe | bash: /bin/laden not found #did rm /bin/laden hehe |
| 09:03.37 | badcfe | more jokes..? |
| 09:03.50 | itchi | haha |
| 09:04.57 | IdahoEv | badcfe: unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; fsck; fsck; fsck; umount; sleep; |
| 09:05.03 | badcfe | guess gnulinux debian is better than freebsd when it comes to multimedia. ugh, me i have fbsd61 on desktop and runs debian on server hosts.... |
| 09:05.08 | badcfe | make love |
| 09:05.15 | mick_linux | badcfe: is that true (for Terminal.app)? |
| 09:05.16 | badcfe | make: dont know how to make love |
| 09:05.30 | badcfe | but gmake does not act as this. boring (the original bsd make does) |
| 09:05.34 | itchi | badcfe: You missed the lesbian distro |
| 09:05.44 | badcfe | desbian? |
| 09:05.51 | itchi | lesbian |
| 09:05.58 | badcfe | tr d l |
| 09:06.03 | itchi | 2 girls fsck |
| 09:06.07 | IdahoEv | Or the holy war between AtheOS and Jesux |
| 09:06.09 | badcfe | heh |
| 09:06.10 | itchi | maybe :-p |
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| 09:06.30 | itchi | badcfe: Try google lesbian |
| 09:06.46 | IdahoEv | itchi: that's probably nsfw |
| 09:06.51 | itchi | yeah, big results :-) It's the debian |
| 09:06.56 | mick_linux | badcfe: porn-get :) |
| 09:07.07 | itchi | !lesbian |
| 09:07.08 | dpkg | lesbian is, like, probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 09:07.16 | itchi | maybe easier |
| 09:07.18 | badcfe | AtheOS is represented by richard stallman in that movie right |
| 09:07.47 | badcfe | ok, ill not kidd with richard |
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| 09:07.56 | liable | hola |
| 09:07.59 | itchi | badcfe: Why? |
| 09:08.04 | itchi | liable: Hey man ;-) |
| 09:08.14 | badcfe | cause his a hero |
| 09:08.17 | mick_linux | http://www.cafepress.com/lesbianlinux.8216842 haha |
| 09:08.42 | mick_linux | badcfe: what movie? |
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| 09:09.09 | badcfe | mick_linux: it was a very delirium kind of joke |
| 09:09.22 | liable | itchi: hi :) |
| 09:09.23 | mick_linux | oh, heh - missed it |
| 09:09.28 | itchi | RvGaTe: You need the orignal game too |
| 09:09.37 | badcfe | mick_linux: only i understand it. but now i forgot the point |
| 09:10.25 | RvGaTe | itchi, wtf, since when is that a requirement |
| 09:10.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: Sind the begin of it |
| 09:11.40 | badcfe | the md5 of my netinst is correct, so the error was actually to _not burn on max speed_ on my fbsd |
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| 09:13.37 | badcfe | so if its shure that the debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso is bootable and contains the atapi_enable=1 possibility, ill use netinst. |
| 09:13.58 | badcfe | otherwise ill have to download cd 1 and stop and the continue from net |
| 09:14.12 | RvGaTe | itchi, im wondering how i installed it last time |
| 09:14.13 | itchi | badcfe: You not need all the cd's |
| 09:14.29 | itchi | RvGaTe: hehe, WaReZ?? |
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| 09:14.55 | badcfe | itchi: yeah just 1. but if its certain that netinst has sata support and is bootable ill just reburn |
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| 09:15.01 | itchi | badcfe: You can take the first or more cd, and add some /internet/ source in your sources.list |
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| 09:15.17 | itchi | badcfe: You need to give that as boot param |
| 09:15.18 | RvGaTe | itchi, probably, cant even remember, haha |
| 09:15.30 | badcfe | itchi: i know. is that better that using the netinst (reburn) |
| 09:15.39 | itchi | RvGaTe: There is an deb too, for that openttd |
| 09:16.04 | liable | badcfe: there is no difference between neyinst and cd1 in regard to hardware support |
| 09:16.12 | badcfe | liable: thank you |
| 09:16.19 | itchi | badcfe: It's the same, just that you are go to download a bit lesser of stuff while you install |
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| 09:18.50 | RvGaTe | itchi, noticed that we had TTD on our server here at work, at least i have something to do now :D |
| 09:19.25 | itchi | RvGaTe: Heh, play we over-net?? ;-) |
| 09:19.33 | RvGaTe | itchi, could do |
| 09:19.37 | RvGaTe | itchi, pm ? |
| 09:19.46 | itchi | RvGaTe: ;-) |
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| 09:20.40 | ayaa | how to take a snapshot from my debian installation and get it on another station ? |
| 09:20.40 | ayaa | do i really need to reinstall it from scratch ? |
| 09:21.09 | mick_linux | ayaa:you have a few options: ghost, dd, tar (only really works w/ lilo iirc) |
| 09:21.19 | mick_linux | dd needs to be the same drive size |
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| 09:21.32 | badcfe | the netinsts now boot. i write "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" and have problem "No common CD-rom drive was detected". |
| 09:21.33 | kud0s | i'd use ghost |
| 09:21.49 | itchi | ayaa: There are alternatives to Ghost too |
| 09:22.11 | mick_linux | there are gnu versions of ghost |
| 09:22.11 | ayaa | mick_linux, tar ? did'n understood you |
| 09:22.11 | mick_linux | not "version" but... ya alternatives |
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| 09:22.24 | mick_linux | ayaa: if you didn't understand me, then use ghost ;) |
| 09:22.32 | itchi | ayaa: He have tell you differents names of apps |
| 09:22.34 | liable | ayaa: you might want to take a look at partimage |
| 09:23.13 | itchi | ayaa: Yeah, that one ;-) |
| 09:24.11 | badcfe | in dmesg i can see my two sata discs are being detected |
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| 09:24.53 | badcfe | then "SATA link down (SStatus 0)" for both cd and hd |
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| 09:26.29 | liable | dmesg in the installer? |
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| 09:26.40 | LoneShadow | anyone running ircd-hybrid ? |
| 09:26.53 | badcfe | liable: i run a shell from the installation process menu.. (ash) |
| 09:27.16 | badcfe | liable: in df i see three mounts of tmpfs but no of the sata devices |
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| 09:27.44 | badcfe | dmesg shows that both sata hd and dvd has been assigned irs 169 |
| 09:27.53 | badcfe | /irs/irq/ |
| 09:28.16 | liable | badcfe: and you have to give the installer that boot option for it to even be detected? |
| 09:28.34 | badcfe | liable: ill try without it.. |
| 09:29.38 | liable | badcfe: why did you give it that to start with? i havent ever seen a 'install foo' option (of course, just cause i havent seen it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.. :) |
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| 09:32.08 | badcfe | dmesg has "SATA link down (SStatus 0)" for both cd and hd even if i do not specify "install libata.atapi_enable=1" |
| 09:32.33 | badcfe | first their detected, but then i have this sata link down message |
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| 09:32.50 | badcfe | /their/theyre" |
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| 09:34.19 | liable | no sata compatability mode to try? |
| 09:34.19 | liable | s/sata/pata/ |
| 09:34.49 | badcfe | how |
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| 09:35.16 | liable | bios if its possible |
| 09:35.40 | liable | what is the box? |
| 09:35.42 | adamt | Hi - i want to add a few sty-files to my tetex-installation (maples sty-files), how should i do that? |
| 09:36.32 | badcfe | intel cpu, asus board. new |
| 09:36.54 | liable | badcfe: poke around in the bios, see what it has |
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| 09:38.14 | badcfe | would a driver initialization be able to override surch a setting. the bios is ok isnt it -- it boots from my sata cd |
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| 09:38.47 | liable | badcfe: yes, but it will use a different kernel driver if you can cange the mode.. |
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| 09:39.15 | liable | if not, your screwed i guess, try an older or newer kernel |
| 09:39.15 | badcfe | or is it possible that some sata stuff must be initialised in a specific way in bios in order for OS to be happy with it the hardware? |
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| 09:39.54 | badcfe | liable: sarge had exactly the same problem here. now i have etch RC1 netinst cd |
| 09:40.35 | anilomkar | Hi all, I want to install uploader tool of flickr. I downloaded the linux version. when i am trying to install then i am getting this error "GCJ is an incompatible version of java" |
| 09:41.03 | badcfe | liable: i see. if i change this "sata mode" (this is new to me) in bios then i "force" the OS to use different drivers.... |
| 09:41.04 | liable | badcfe: the link down message is ominous, and apart from what i mentioned, i have no idea what else you could try |
| 09:41.23 | badcfe | ill try that..... |
| 09:41.27 | liable | badcfe: if your bios supports it |
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| 09:43.55 | badcfe | .....in IDE Configuration i have SATA Configuration = Enhanced and Configure SATA as IDE. (The latter has options IDE,RAID,AHCI) |
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| 09:45.01 | liable | badcfe: try ide |
| 09:45.47 | badcfe | and the "IDE autodetection" detects SATA 1 Maxtor 6V080E0 thingy |
| 09:46.08 | rxKaffee | lol |
| 09:46.13 | rxKaffee | I love the precision of your work badcfe ;P |
| 09:46.17 | badcfe | liable: ill now try IDE for the "Configure SATA as" choice |
| 09:47.00 | badcfe | rxKaffee: and if it doesnt work soon ill smash my keyboard out the window 8-) |
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| 09:47.22 | rxKaffee | badcfe: of course, that is the best place for naughty keyboards |
| 09:47.24 | badcfe | rxKaffee: fortunately i get great help here. ;p |
| 09:47.49 | badcfe | rxKaffee: if you look out my window you would see youre right |
| 09:48.10 | badcfe | rxKaffee: but i havent typed rhosts +, so you cant look out my window |
| 09:48.25 | rxKaffee | lol |
| 09:48.25 | badcfe | rxKaffee: s/rhosts/rhost |
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| 09:49.22 | badcfe | liable: maybe ill remove the SATA Configuration = Enhanced too ?? |
| 09:50.00 | liable | badcfe: sure, play around, see what happens |
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| 09:51.26 | ThomasPorter | <thomasporter@gmail.com>: [gmail.com]: Name or service not known |
| 09:51.33 | ThomasPorter | I seem to get this error.. any clues? |
| 09:52.24 | badcfe | ill play. current (autodetection) for SATA 1 is "LBA_Mode=supported, Block_Mode=16Sectors, PIO_Mode=4, Async_DMA=MultiWord_DMA-2, Ultra_DMA=DMA-5" and "smart monitoring supported" |
| 09:52.47 | cydork | !wayttd ThomasPorter |
| 09:52.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ThomasPorter? |
| 09:52.55 | possie | is there a way to plot 'iostat' data ? |
| 09:53.15 | ThomasPorter | cydork: oops sorry :o... I'm attempting to send an email |
| 09:53.57 | ThomasPorter | cydork: Could it be a dns zone problem? I can recieve mail from gmail |
| 09:54.09 | ThomasPorter | cydork: btw - its not just gmail.. its everyone that I get this error for |
| 09:54.27 | stew | sweet. split access is working |
| 09:54.32 | cydork | ThomasPorter: try to dig it.. |
| 09:55.26 | ThomasPorter | cydork: Whats the site again? For the sakes of trying - should I pastebin my zone file? |
| 09:56.00 | cydork | !paster |
| 09:56.00 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:56.18 | badcfe | may "Configure SATA" as "AHCI" be good? i actually do not have very much options in this bios of mine |
| 09:57.11 | ThomasPorter | cydork: Cheers |
| 09:58.24 | ThomasPorter | cydork: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4511 |
| 10:00.27 | stew | !list |
| 10:00.27 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to stew |
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| 10:04.45 | badcfe | ahci 0000:02:00.0: AHCI 0001.0000 32 slots 2 ports 3 Gbps 0x3 impl IDE mode |
| 10:04.45 | badcfe | ahci 0000:02:00.0: flags: 64bit ncq pm led clo pmp pio slum part |
| 10:04.45 | badcfe | ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF887C100 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 169 |
| 10:04.45 | badcfe | ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF887C180 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 169 |
| 10:04.45 | badcfe | ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0) |
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| 10:05.30 | cydork | ThomasPorter: nslookup gmail.com |
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| 10:14.07 | viridis__ | hi all, after upgrading apache i have log of errors in my suexec.log: |
| 10:14.16 | viridis__ | [2006-11-17 11:03:07]: uid: (10053/svajoniunamas_lt) gid: (10059/10059) cmd: index.pl |
| 10:14.25 | viridis__ | [2006-11-17 11:03:07]: command not in docroot (/home/www/web59/web/cgi-bin/lt/index.pl) |
| 10:14.30 | viridis__ | have to figure this quickly, but never saw this kind of errors |
| 10:14.36 | viridis__ | I didn't changed the apache configuration |
| 10:14.40 | viridis__ | there was just debian stable security update |
| 10:15.32 | viridis__ | before update, everything worked fine |
| 10:15.53 | jelly-home | Hi, how can I see what packages are part of the base system? |
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| 10:37.29 | badcfe | guess ill use http://channels.debian.net/paste next time |
| 10:38.51 | badcfe | decent question -- what kernel does debian testing weekly build contain. actually i seem to need 2.6.18 because my SATA problem actually is related to my GenuineIntel Core 2 CPU (being a dual core) |
| 10:39.21 | badcfe | badcfe: a decent question contains at least one question mark ;P |
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| 10:42.43 | boodie | Hi - can anyone tell me the sequence to activate sane? |
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| 10:44.15 | boodie | I have a mustek parallel scanner: I 1st edited /etc/sane.d/dll.conf + then mustek_pp.conf ... is there anything else to do? |
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| 10:56.08 | neonatus | hi there |
| 10:56.19 | neonatus | does anyone know if ntp daemon in debian has some problems? |
| 10:56.25 | neonatus | I can't seem to connect to it |
| 10:56.46 | neonatus | it seems to be listening, and it does sync to remote servers, but won't allow local clients to sync to it |
| 10:57.05 | neonatus | does anyone here have ntp server running and working? |
| 10:57.25 | nachos | nope |
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| 10:58.47 | freespace | what port is it running on? |
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| 11:06.01 | neonatus | freespace, what? |
| 11:06.13 | freespace | ntp port, what is it? |
| 11:06.15 | neonatus | freespace, standard port 123 udp |
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| 11:07.10 | freespace | ok, perhaps it defaults to not accepting any connections (yet) as a security feature? |
| 11:07.22 | freespace | or perhaps you have a firewall rule in place? |
| 11:07.37 | neonatus | freespace, no, I have it running on a machine without firewall |
| 11:07.40 | neonatus | and client also |
| 11:07.45 | neonatus | and nothing in between |
| 11:07.58 | freespace | ok, then have you perhaps checked the config files? |
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| 11:08.08 | neonatus | I also tried two servers, but they just don't sync |
| 11:08.28 | neonatus | config files might be it, but I tried default and every possible option I could google |
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| 11:08.38 | neonatus | that is why I need someone that has it working on debian |
| 11:08.41 | neonatus | to compare |
| 11:08.54 | badcfe | urg.argc#$!&* the current weekly snapshot of etch (testing) has kernel 2.6.17 and i need 2.6.18 in order to use the dual core with my SATA. what do i do? |
| 11:09.20 | badcfe | guess i should go to #testing and burn out my frustration |
| 11:09.35 | cydork | badcfe: or install sarge with 2.6.18 |
| 11:09.45 | badcfe | unless my neigbours want another computer in their guarden |
| 11:09.51 | cydork | !tell badcfe -about sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 11:13.31 | badcfe | okey.. but then ill have to upgrade to etch (cause i need etch) later, will that be possible from _that_ sarge/2.6.18 as startingpoint? |
| 11:13.54 | cydork | badcfe: not as a starting point.. |
| 11:14.37 | cydork | badcfe: you can upgrade safely when etch gets the 2.6.18 (if that happens.) |
| 11:15.05 | badcfe | cydork: thing is that i have now way to boot any debian install cd on this system |
| 11:15.21 | badcfe | s/have now way/now have no way/ |
| 11:15.33 | cydork | badcfe: you can boot that sarge 2.6.18 installer.. |
| 11:15.58 | cydork | badcfe: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 11:15.58 | badcfe | cydork: from http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 11:16.05 | badcfe | hurgh |
| 11:16.05 | cydork | badcfe: yep |
| 11:16.54 | raf256 | the GRUB that I installed on ATA disc fails to see SATA disc. Why that might be? |
| 11:17.10 | raf256 | that SATA works fine from linux after booting linux and is visible in BIOS |
| 11:17.14 | raf256 | is BIOS config |
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| 11:18.11 | raf256 | brb |
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| 11:23.06 | Xteven | is there a tool that can convert flash shapes into svg ? |
| 11:23.11 | Xteven | or another vector format |
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| 11:25.34 | regebro | Hi! Is there any list somewhere over the various debian versions (NOT stable) and when they were released? |
| 11:25.54 | petemc | !releases |
| 11:25.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 11:27.41 | regebro | petemc: Thanks, been there, done that. |
| 11:27.45 | regebro | Still no list of versions. |
| 11:27.59 | regebro | Just the stable releases. |
| 11:28.56 | regebro | Maybe if I'm more specific. :) What date did 1:3.3.5-13 get released? |
| 11:29.33 | regebro | And what date did 3.4.3-13 get released? |
| 11:29.50 | regebro | That's what I'm trying to figure out, mainly (more questins may follow). :) |
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| 11:32.52 | regebro | There really is no information anywhere on when different versions where released? |
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| 11:35.23 | cydork | regebro: which versions are you talking about? |
| 11:36.29 | petemc | wtf is 1:3.3.5-13 |
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| 11:37.02 | regebro | cydork: Well, 3.4.3 and 3.3.5. |
| 11:37.19 | cydork | regebro: 3.3.5??? |
| 11:37.20 | regebro | petemc: That's what most of the debian machines I'm looking at say. |
| 11:37.35 | petemc | you're not making any sense |
| 11:37.58 | regebro | petemc: Why not? |
| 11:38.03 | cydork | regebro: the latest stable is 3.1r3. what are you talking about? |
| 11:38.18 | regebro | Whoever said anything about stable? |
| 11:38.38 | petemc | nothing else is "released" |
| 11:38.39 | regebro | I do cat /proc/version, and the machines say "Debian 1:3.3.5-13". |
| 11:38.52 | enouf | regebro: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.html |
| 11:39.08 | petemc | regebro: thats the version of gcc the kernel was compiled with |
| 11:39.31 | regebro | Oh. |
| 11:39.37 | regebro | That's not exactly obvious. |
| 11:39.59 | petemc | regebro: /proc/version is the kernel |
| 11:40.11 | petemc | you're not supposed to guess what these things are |
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| 11:40.19 | cydork | regebro: debian version is in /etc/debian_version |
| 11:40.40 | regebro | Aha! Thanks! |
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| 11:41.53 | regebro | Sigh, and they all say 3.1, even though some of them run Linux 3.4 and some 3.6, and so on. |
| 11:41.58 | petemc | eh? |
| 11:42.14 | petemc | you really need to stop making assumptions |
| 11:42.41 | regebro | And the assumptions I make is what? |
| 11:42.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hi everyone :) Any has an idea on how to merge two mozilla/firefox bookmark files ? |
| 11:42.53 | petemc | what is linux 3.6 ? |
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| 11:43.04 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 11:43.09 | regebro | I ment 2.4 and 2.6, sorry. |
| 11:43.23 | enouf | regebro: as stated .. those are versions of the compiler .. search out those version numbers here http://search.debian.org/ |
| 11:43.44 | petemc | regebro: you should look in sources.list, or look at what version libc6 is |
| 11:44.04 | regebro | What would a debian testing and debian unstable say in /etc/debian_version? Also 3.1? |
| 11:44.07 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: Import/Export |
| 11:44.30 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: open Bookmark manager and find those options ion the Menu choices |
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| 11:44.38 | petemc | regebro: nothing past 3.1.N has been released yet |
| 11:45.01 | enouf | regebro: testing/unstable |
| 11:45.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | enouf, importing an other file won't destroy my current bookmarks ? |
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| 11:45.13 | enouf | that's what it says |
| 11:45.15 | cydork | regebro: now days /etc/debian_version version in etch say 4 :) |
| 11:45.23 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: no no .. |
| 11:45.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok, good :) |
| 11:46.05 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: as a matter of fact .. give it it's own Dir name and file all the imports underneath .. it's a wizard .. it'll ask you |
| 11:46.50 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: just test first .. have backups handy .. I haven't used it with all various versions .. nor do i use FF .. only moz (used to anyway) |
| 11:46.53 | regebro | OK, thanks guys, I checked /etc/apt/sources.list and they all say the same. "stable main non-free contrib". |
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| 11:47.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok, would have backup'ed anyways :P |
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| 11:47.43 | enouf | Ox0F0-0FF: atta boy :-) |
| 11:47.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | ty :) |
| 11:48.15 | regebro | So how come one machine runs 2.6.17.6 kernel, one 2.6.15 and one 2.4.31 is beyond me. :) |
| 11:48.24 | regebro | The people managing these servers (who are *supposed* to be setup up the same) surely has not been doing their job very well. |
| 11:48.26 | enouf | np |
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| 11:52.49 | regebro | Hmmm... New question: I search for "kernel-build" in the stable packages. Are the versions listed there representative for the last kernels used in stable? |
| 11:53.56 | regebro | Because Thats 2.6.8-3, and that would mean that they really don |
| 11:54.13 | regebro | don't use debian stable... |
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| 11:56.25 | enouf | regebro: want a good read :-) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
| 11:56.54 | enouf | regebro: the Stable release can use either 2.4.27 .. all the way throutgh 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 11:57.16 | enouf | regebro: the "unofficial" Backported versions of Satbel can use much higher kernels |
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| 11:57.51 | enouf | waves at teh ritz pita eater :-P |
| 11:58.10 | enouf | Boo nvz_ |
| 11:58.30 | regebro | enouf: OK, thanks. So they are using higher versions on all servers, but has not bothered to keep them in sync. |
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| 11:58.40 | TiKiTaKi | hello |
| 11:58.53 | TiKiTaKi | how to add somethinkg to be runned automatically after system is rebooted |
| 11:58.54 | enouf | regebro: come back and ask once you're done reading :-) |
| 11:59.05 | TiKiTaKi | there isnt any rc.local file |
| 11:59.33 | enouf | TiKiTaKi: /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 12:00.11 | TiKiTaKi | okay |
| 12:00.39 | enouf | TiKiTaKi: /msg dpkg runlevels , and rcconf, follow the URLs given and read ... see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
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| 12:00.55 | regebro | enouf: ? They are not supposed to use any unofficial versions. ;) |
| 12:01.11 | enouf | regebro: ther ya go .. busted! |
| 12:01.15 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:01.33 | regebro | enouf: Absolutely! :) |
| 12:02.03 | regebro | Ok thanks enouf and everybody else, I got the info I need now I think. See ya! |
| 12:02.06 | boodie | Hi - can anyone tell me the sequence to activate sane? I have a mustek parallel scanner: I 1st edited /etc/sane.d/dll.conf + then mustek_pp.conf ... is there anything else to do? |
| 12:02.11 | neonatus | ntp help anyone? |
| 12:02.23 | neonatus | I need someone that has ntpd running and serving clients on debian sarge |
| 12:03.01 | xeor | How can i run multiple instances of apache2 in debian? When i execute "/usr/sbin/apache2 -d /etc/apache2_other/ -k start -DSSL" it uses /etc/apache2/ anyway. Even if I have made an whole other envirement for it in apache2_other |
| 12:03.43 | enouf | !tell neonatus about ntp |
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| 12:04.52 | rxKaffee | !tell rxkaffee about ntp |
| 12:05.08 | rxKaffee | uh oh |
| 12:05.20 | TiKiTaKi | enouf what do you mean by dpkg runlevels ? |
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| 12:05.30 | enouf | rxKaffee: just so you know .. you can /msg dpkg btp if you want to tell yourself |
| 12:05.39 | xorllu | hi, I need good latex editor |
| 12:05.45 | neonatus | enouf, not really what I needed, I searched help and examples and all, but I can't seem to make it work on sarge |
| 12:05.46 | rxKaffee | oh, oops... forgot about that |
| 12:06.00 | enouf | TiKiTaKi: type this exactly into your irc client --> /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 12:06.19 | enouf | neonatus: don;'t use it ..apologies |
| 12:06.25 | neonatus | ok |
| 12:06.26 | TiKiTaKi | ok thanks |
| 12:06.27 | neonatus | thx anyway |
| 12:06.32 | enouf | np |
| 12:06.33 | rxKaffee | neonatus: have you checked netstat to make sure its listening on the correct port on your lan interface? |
| 12:06.35 | enouf | np |
| 12:06.44 | neonatus | rxKaffee, yes I did, and it is |
| 12:07.20 | xeor | Do the apache2 sarge packet have /etc/apache2/ hard coded in it? Or can I use some parameters so make it different? |
| 12:07.31 | rxKaffee | does it show up, if you portscan your ntp server from another box? |
| 12:07.37 | enouf | TiKiTaKi: runlevels is just one <keyword> .. you can use any other <keyword> in it's place |
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| 12:07.57 | enouf | TiKiTaKi: such as /msg dpkg startup |
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| 12:08.17 | nick_fn | Hi, I'm finding lots of things segfault today: less, locate, file says it can't load /usr/lib/libmagic.so.1 because of invalid ELF header, etc... |
| 12:09.04 | nick_fn | /var/log/dpkg.log says I last updated much on the 14th though. Have to use 'more' to view it, as less segfaults... |
| 12:09.12 | nick_fn | This is very strange :-/ |
| 12:09.18 | enouf | nick_fn: /msg dpkg segfault |
| 12:09.31 | TiKiTaKi | enouf astound , thx |
| 12:09.33 | enouf | not too useful .. but a start |
| 12:09.43 | enouf | TiKiTaKi: no prob |
| 12:09.58 | nick_fn | enouf: oh, I thought that would tell me something new and useful :-( |
| 12:10.21 | enouf | nick_fn: /msg dpkg sig11 then instead |
| 12:10.23 | nick_fn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.44 | nick_fn | enouf: What I'm really after is a suggestion on isolating? Not sure if I'll even be able to reboot, I think... |
| 12:10.44 | enouf | as the previous factoid from dpkg told you |
| 12:10.58 | enouf | what File systems |
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| 12:11.50 | xeor | If i do "strings /usr/sbin/apache2" i can find /etc/apache2/apache2.conf. Is there any easy way to change that, so I can run multiple instances of apache2 in debian? |
| 12:11.59 | nick_fn | ext3 over raid mirrored |
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| 12:12.32 | rxKaffee | nick_fn: whats the point in the fs journaling, if you have raid? |
| 12:12.35 | nick_fn | enouf: I don't think it's bad ram, that wouldn't say things like "bash: /usr/bin/gdb: cannot execute binary file" would it? or maybe it would? |
| 12:12.38 | enouf | nick_fn: hows about a fsck .. at reboot maybe |
| 12:12.51 | rxKaffee | nick_fn: bad ram has been giving me alot of segfaults |
| 12:13.02 | rxKaffee | well, suspected as bad ram, have not ran memtest yet to verify |
| 12:13.07 | nick_fn | fxKaffee: faster recovery, etc. |
| 12:13.25 | enouf | nick_fn: 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot maybe .. I'm not saying for sure though |
| 12:13.48 | alex116 | what kernel is 3.1 running on? |
| 12:13.55 | enouf | nick_fn: naturally run memtest86+ too when you can |
| 12:13.55 | nick_fn | would a read-only fsck tell me much, while mounted? |
| 12:14.49 | enouf | nick_fn: I don't like the idea of fooling with mounted FSs .. but there are ways that fsck can be verbose and simulate .. man fsck |
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| 12:15.34 | nick_fn | uh.... man isn't in my path anymore. Hmm... this is really really strange. |
| 12:15.40 | enouf | nick_fn: dmesg | tail and other things like /var/log/* may also give some clues |
| 12:15.49 | enouf | I see |
| 12:16.21 | alex116 | if I install debian 3.1r3 clean install what kernel version will I be running? |
| 12:16.28 | enouf | nick_fn: whta does 'echo $PATH' say? |
| 12:16.30 | nick_fn | ah, it scrolled off my root-tail before. I think maybe BOTH disks have failed in the array |
| 12:16.40 | nick_fn | /home/nicholas/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 12:16.52 | enouf | alex116: you can choose linux26 at boot prompt for 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 12:17.06 | alex116 | cool |
| 12:17.09 | enouf | alex116: or just nothing for 2.4.27 (?) |
| 12:18.00 | enouf | alex116: review the F1-F10 screens too |
| 12:18.22 | alex116 | thats great. i was just concerned because I need 2.6.18 or greater because of some driver being built in and all that so this perfectly fills my criteria :) |
| 12:18.24 | nick_fn | dmesg can't tell me WHEN those messages were written, can it? Nothing in my /var/log/syslog that is strange recently. I did have a disk play up and get taken out the raid yesterday; but the vendor diagnostic tool said it was OK |
| 12:19.04 | enouf | nick_fn: perhaps remove your personal /bin from the PATH .. or rename the DIR .. or .. |
| 12:19.23 | nick_fn | fsck -n -C shows a lot of issues :-/ |
| 12:19.31 | enouf | :-( |
| 12:19.54 | enouf | nick_fn: atleast it's ext3 and not ricerFS .. hehe |
| 12:20.06 | enouf | er, .. reiserFS i mean |
| 12:20.30 | nick_fn | I'll take one disk out the array, and reboot doing an fsck. If it goes to badly wrong, I still then have one disk the same as now |
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| 12:23.42 | nick_fn | thanks for the suggestions. I'll leave raid rebuilding onto the spare disk, then reboot and fsck |
| 12:23.53 | Vich | fsck off |
| 12:23.57 | enouf | nick_fn: np |
| 12:24.44 | nick_fn | I suspect this SATA disk really is bad, but I'm surprised that affected anything, I'd think md would just keep taking it out the array |
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| 12:28.48 | ayaa | trying to use boocdmkinitrd and i got : Error: No Bootloader found |
| 12:28.56 | ayaa | What's the bootloader ? |
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| 12:29.21 | sussudio | ayaa: i don't know. why don't you ask in #ubuntu. |
| 12:29.48 | ayaa | sussudio, huh ? ubuntu ? |
| 12:29.50 | bobbytux | lo |
| 12:30.42 | sussudio | since you're already in there anyway. debian wouldn't leave a program handing without its dependencies. |
| 12:30.53 | s1m0 | hi, I am having problems setting up a mysql server that I can connect to from other machines, the response that I get is error (10061) |
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| 12:31.30 | s1m0 | how should I try to narrow down the reason for the problem? |
| 12:31.37 | sussudio | s1m0: google? |
| 12:32.02 | dutche- | does anybody have used Ata over Ethernet with Debian and have some tutorial for me? |
| 12:32.30 | s1m0 | google is nice.. been there.. I have also allowed to my mysql user all privileges so that also should not be the problem. |
| 12:34.04 | s1m0 | port where mysqld is running is the default 3061.. |
| 12:34.28 | s1m0 | should I be able to telnet it remotely and get the mysql banner from remote machine? |
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| 12:37.12 | rxKaffee | s1m0: I believe lots of distros setup mysql for local access only, by default |
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| 12:37.56 | s1m0 | rxKaffee: hmm.. is it not enough if I modify the table user for my mysql user and set the field user.host to '%'? |
| 12:39.22 | rxKaffee | s1m0: dunno, you could check netstat to verify |
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| 12:40.52 | RvGaTe | itchi, lol, im back... played Turok for like 2,5 hours :P |
| 12:42.14 | s1m0 | rxKaffee: thanks.. I hope that the problem is not with firewall because I am not very experienced in configuring that with debian console-only installation. |
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| 12:44.03 | rxKaffee | s1m0: if it shows up in netstat on the right interface, you're going to be reading alot of firewall howtos ;) |
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| 12:50.58 | badcfe | "No common CD-rom drive detected" when i install with etch patched with kernel 1.2.18 |
| 12:51.10 | badcfe | but at this time it detects the floppy. |
| 12:51.23 | SmallR2003 | 1.2.18? |
| 12:51.26 | SmallR2003 | does that even exist? |
| 12:51.30 | SmallR2003 | (any more) |
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| 12:51.54 | badcfe | i means 2.6.18 |
| 12:52.01 | SmallR2003 | oh :x |
| 12:52.12 | SmallR2003 | i was pretty amazed :P |
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| 12:52.33 | badcfe | it also detected some /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 12:52.57 | s1m0 | rxKaffee: thanks! it seems that 3306 is open only on 127.0.0.1. So the changes are that I can avoid the howtos for now :D |
| 12:53.01 | badcfe | it mounted only tmpfs. No hd. |
| 12:53.29 | SmallR2003 | what does df tell you badcfe? |
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| 12:54.15 | badcfe | in dmesg i have the same messages, but its specified after SStatus 0 that "SControl 300". |
| 12:54.46 | rxKaffee | s1m0: lucky you |
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| 12:55.48 | badcfe | SATA link down. so i will try with "install atapi=true" as it sais on http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm but hey my hd is not there either, so im sceptic. |
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| 12:58.22 | E-bola | does aptitude log operations u do in it? |
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| 12:59.28 | cydork | E-bola: yep |
| 12:59.41 | cydork | E-bola: wait what kind of operations? |
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| 13:00.04 | Braindead | E-bola: /var/log/aptitude |
| 13:00.16 | E-bola | thanks |
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| 13:01.10 | bronaugh | guys; is it just me, or did a libc upgrade in unstable eat anyone else's install? |
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| 13:02.48 | badcfe | sarge-custom-1008.iso wich contains kernel 2.6.18 does not help me with the "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" install problem. The SATA link down problem persists on my Intel 2 CPU even with "linux atapi=true". help! |
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| 13:03.33 | E-bola | Why doesnt 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' do anything? |
| 13:03.44 | blondie | put -config on the end, E-bola |
| 13:03.49 | E-bola | ahh |
| 13:03.53 | blondie | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:03.55 | E-bola | thanks |
| 13:04.02 | E-bola | man im such an idiot hehe |
| 13:04.07 | quhan | hi, who can tell me which package need I install , if I want use "modules-update"? |
| 13:04.12 | E-bola | i just wiped exim off an installation system cuz i was on the wrong terminal :(( |
| 13:04.19 | Braindead | quhan: apt-file,then search for the file |
| 13:04.27 | Braindead | !tell quhan about apt-file |
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| 13:05.45 | bronaugh | I don't like it when my libc goes byebye. |
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| 13:06.26 | Braindead | badcfe: last resort may be the use of debootstrap |
| 13:06.33 | rxKaffee | badcfe: you just need a livecd that supports i386 SATA? |
| 13:06.55 | bronaugh | doesn't Core2 support the x86_64 instruction set? |
| 13:07.16 | rxKaffee | oh, core2... I dunno anything about those :/ |
| 13:07.27 | badcfe | rxKaffee: on dual core yes. |
| 13:07.34 | quhan | I got no result |
| 13:07.35 | badcfe | Braindead: whats that? |
| 13:07.55 | SmallR2003 | badcfe, have you tried linux26 instead of linux? |
| 13:07.59 | rxKaffee | badcfe: would you necessarily need both cores during installation? |
| 13:08.01 | Braindead | !tell badcfe about debootstrap |
| 13:08.33 | SmallR2003 | ^^ good idea |
| 13:08.35 | rxKaffee | badcfe: could you use single core support for installation? you could then later reconfigure the installed distro to support dual core(assuming linux is dual core friendly) |
| 13:09.14 | rxKaffee | badcfe: I learned a good trick for testing multiple ISO cdroms |
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| 13:09.47 | rxKaffee | badcfe: saving the iso to the system to install it on, and then extracting the kernel and iso from the bootable install cd, and loading them on the "new system" via lilo |
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| 13:10.16 | limpio | hi all, do i have to wipe out the old version (1.3) of ratpoison that comes in Sarge IF i want to compile the latest version (1.4) or can i install the newest version on top of the old one? thx |
| 13:10.17 | rxKaffee | just in a blank partition or something |
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| 13:14.45 | quhan | hi, how can I update the kernel modules? |
| 13:15.19 | rxKaffee | quhan: after you compile a new kernel, backup your old module directory, and: make modules&&make modules_install |
| 13:15.21 | quhan | I reinstall the new kqemu.ko, but I see the old in dmesg |
| 13:15.22 | badcfe | rxKaffee: i cant load any cd via lilo as long as i dont have my system detect the cd |
| 13:16.09 | rxKaffee | badcfe: download the iso, and transfer it to the system over a network, then mount it -o loop ;) |
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| 13:17.24 | bronaugh | oh well; I guess this project waits for tomorrow, when I can use a bootable CD drive to boot my laptop, which I can then use to create a kubuntu AMD64 CD... |
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| 13:17.27 | bronaugh | because I don't have the resources here. gah. |
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| 13:20.31 | quhan | yes, I compile the kqemu by gcc4.1, my kernel is compiled by gcc4.0, so I need recompile the kqemu by gcc4.0, but when i finish it, I also cant insert the kqemu, and i use dmesg to see the status, i found the same error before i recomplie the kqemu |
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| 13:21.19 | rxKaffee | quhan: it still complains that it was compiled with the wrong gcc version? |
| 13:21.56 | quhan | it looks like yes |
| 13:22.08 | quhan | but in fact i am sure i use gcc4.0 |
| 13:22.34 | rxKaffee | quhan: did you check `ps` while it was running to see which gcc it uses? |
| 13:22.40 | quhan | ./configure --cc=gcc-4.0 --host-cc=gcc-4.0 && make && make sure |
| 13:22.43 | quhan | ./configure --cc=gcc-4.0 --host-cc=gcc-4.0 && make && make install |
| 13:23.39 | rxKaffee | quhan: you might also have to change the gcc symlink from 4.1 to 4.0 |
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| 13:25.04 | quhan | sudo rm gcc && sudo ln -s gcc-4.0 gcc |
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| 13:27.33 | quhan | yes!! it's ok! |
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| 13:27.39 | ayaa | how to get xserver-xorg on debian sarge stable ? |
| 13:27.41 | quhan | thanks very much |
| 13:28.18 | quhan | and can i change the gcc symbol back? |
| 13:28.42 | limpio | ayaa, no can do, especially now that etch with xorg, is coming out next month |
| 13:28.53 | badcfe | freebsd 6.1 installs on my machine, and i detect discs etcetera. could i use this as a jump strap to get my debian installed???? |
| 13:28.58 | rxKaffee | quhan: symbol? |
| 13:29.13 | quhan | symlink |
| 13:29.14 | quhan | sorry |
| 13:29.26 | limpio | ayaa, etch will be stable in december |
| 13:29.32 | rxKaffee | quhan: ah, yes, sure... you can change it back after you compile the thing, just like yo uchanged it to 4.0 |
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| 13:30.08 | badcfe | could i for example install the freebsd boot manager and place bsd on a small partition |
| 13:30.37 | badcfe | then how would i proceed to install the correct debian on the rest of the disc? |
| 13:30.42 | rxKaffee | badcfe: I would assume that freebsd's boot loader could boot a linux kernel from the linux-install.iso |
| 13:30.56 | quhan | dankeschon |
| 13:31.14 | rxKaffee | badcfe: if so, and bsd can mount the iso for you to get to its initrd and kernel |
| 13:31.16 | zignig | has anyone had problems with iscsi and an SMP kernel (2.6) ? , I keep on getting 'internal error 9' and it's not connecting.... |
| 13:31.57 | badcfe | rxKaffee: but would then things be better for the vmlinuz? why would SATA and dual now work on it? |
| 13:32.41 | rxKaffee | badcfe: you could load a custom kernel for the installer |
| 13:34.10 | badcfe | rxKaffee: wich kernel would this custom kernel be? |
| 13:34.52 | badcfe | rxKaffee: then i could as well make a debian install cd running that custom kernel, wouldnt that be the same at the final point |
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| 13:37.16 | rxKaffee | badcfe: yes, this would save you from wasting any more cd-r media though ;) |
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| 13:37.39 | badcfe | rxKaffee: if thats all, ill prefer continue roasting |
| 13:38.01 | rxKaffee | might take a few tries to get the kernel right? |
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| 13:39.06 | ayaa | limpio, no way getting xserver on 3.1 ? |
| 13:39.09 | badcfe | rxKaffee: i dont have time to read over various utility man pages just in order to bypass several issues, and eventually even risking finding out that it still not works. one cd costs 1 euro. |
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| 13:40.41 | badcfe | rxKaffee: im sorry for my pissed temperament. thank you for your help. its just weird that debian has problems with this even on the latest weekly builds and patched isos while freebsd 6.1 has absolutely no problems. |
| 13:41.03 | Muisje | Anyone know where i can get help on writing stuff to a file from a shell script? |
| 13:41.12 | hyper_ch | hiya, I have a Level1 wireless card 54Mbps... will Debian 3.1 recognize it? The problem is that the notebook does not have any other network adapter |
| 13:41.20 | badcfe | i thought Dual Core and SATA was common for quite a while |
| 13:41.21 | rxKaffee | badcfe: I suspect that is because the freebsd kernel is designed more with a hardcore server envirnoment in mind? |
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| 13:42.25 | badcfe | debian is quite good as server. if i just handles this installation on this machine. |
| 13:42.59 | badcfe | i have absolutely nothing "against debian". actually, this is the reason i am disapointed maybe. |
| 13:43.51 | badcfe | and its frustrating that when you by a default hardware and then find out that there is no way installing your favorite linux distro on it..... |
| 13:44.02 | badcfe | s/by/buy/ |
| 13:44.12 | rxKaffee | psh, there's always a way |
| 13:44.22 | Muisje | badcfe, you could've requested supported hardware before buying a (new) pc? |
| 13:44.35 | hyper_ch | badcfe: why don't you use rw-dvds? |
| 13:44.39 | hyper_ch | or rw-cds? |
| 13:44.45 | badcfe | hyper_ch: good point |
| 13:44.58 | badcfe | hyper_ch: answer is i dont have it |
| 13:44.59 | hyper_ch | ^^ |
| 13:45.03 | hyper_ch | oh |
| 13:46.09 | hyper_ch | anyway, is there a list of supported hw for debian sarge? |
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| 13:48.01 | badcfe | hyper_ch: etch is needed for dual core and sata. and it is not enough, as kernel 2.6.18 is needed. and its not enough ... |
| 13:49.19 | hyper_ch | badcfe: I need to know whether an old pcmcia wifi card is supported for a 366mhz / 64mb ram notebook :( |
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| 13:50.13 | badcfe | sarge-custom-1011.iso from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ works for me. this is orgasmic |
| 13:50.14 | rxKaffee | blondie: I wouldn't imagine the 2.4 series would support such things |
| 13:50.22 | lunitik_ | blondie, apparently 2.6.17 had a hard time with Dual Core... |
| 13:50.43 | lunitik_ | blondie, I'm sure its not required for SATA though... |
| 13:50.46 | sandman | I get a lot of these: localhost kernel: Bad page state in process 'kswapd0' |
| 13:50.51 | sandman | Bad memory? Or perhaps a bad CPU? |
| 13:51.11 | rxKaffee | sandman: easy to test memory with memtest |
| 13:51.21 | blondie | it's certainly not required for SATA |
| 13:51.31 | sandman | rxKaffee: Isn't it best to run memtest with swap disabled? |
| 13:51.46 | radical_ | cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU |
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| 13:51.58 | blondie | and I'm pretty sure newer 2.4s do too |
| 13:51.59 | rxKaffee | sandman: I always load it from a boot cd |
| 13:52.38 | rxKaffee | sandman: most knoppix livecd's have the option to boot to memtest in their lilo prompt, some gentoo install cd's had memtest in the boot options |
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| 13:54.35 | raf256 | damN! |
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| 13:55.37 | sandman | You can test memory while the system is running other things, afaik... apt-file search memtest |
| 13:56.00 | sandman | I'm running it right now. But I discovered that unless you want your system to lock up, you'd need to swapoff your swap part or file. |
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| 14:00.29 | Bhavesh | abrotman: good morning |
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| 14:00.36 | abrotman | hi |
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| 14:01.12 | Bhavesh | have you had coffee yet? |
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| 14:02.54 | abrotman | i don't drink coffee |
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| 14:04.11 | stranger_stone | abrotman every computer guys drink coffe |
| 14:04.29 | abrotman | i don't |
| 14:04.32 | freespace | i don't |
| 14:04.36 | freespace | i am a tea person |
| 14:04.38 | stranger_stone | strange boy |
| 14:04.42 | sohmestra | stranger_stone: maybe he's a carpenter then. |
| 14:04.46 | stranger_stone | ohh you are english? |
| 14:04.51 | xopher | I do, once in a month or so |
| 14:04.53 | freespace | nope, i am chinese |
| 14:04.53 | lunitik | Hmm, I also don't see a "Hide join/part messages".... lame |
| 14:05.03 | stranger_stone | tea have cafeine like coffe |
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| 14:05.08 | freespace | english tea is weak |
| 14:05.17 | stranger_stone | tea from china? |
| 14:05.24 | lunitik | freespace: Its not very weak when you put 2-3 teabags in it... |
| 14:05.24 | freespace | much better :) |
| 14:05.38 | freespace | nah, not that, it smells... crappy |
| 14:05.44 | SmallR2003 | tea++ |
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| 14:05.47 | lunitik | No tea is better than Tetleys .... except maybe PG.... |
| 14:05.47 | freespace | hard to put my fingers on it, but i much prefer chinese tea |
| 14:05.49 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 14:05.54 | freespace | maybe the proper terms is "herbal" tea |
| 14:05.58 | ^rob^ | i have installed the testing release |
| 14:06.01 | freespace | rather than just teat |
| 14:06.04 | stranger_stone | sohmestra carpenter or not workswhith debian :) |
| 14:06.05 | Braindead | you mean green tea opposed to black tea |
| 14:06.07 | ^rob^ | got nvidia-kernel-common |
| 14:06.07 | lunitik | ^rob^: good job? |
| 14:06.12 | freespace | not green tea |
| 14:06.18 | lunitik | !tell ^rob^ about nvidia |
| 14:06.19 | Braindead | ah |
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| 14:06.22 | ^rob^ | and nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:06.34 | ^rob^ | vut X yell that can't find screen |
| 14:06.40 | ^rob^ | nvidia module is loaded |
| 14:06.44 | lunitik | ^rob^: ahh... don't have nvidia configure your X :/ |
| 14:06.46 | freespace | more like, tea made from flower pedals... |
| 14:06.47 | freespace | thats it |
| 14:06.48 | sohmestra | stranger_stone: nah. he could be <insert occupation here> and still work with with and know a lot about debian. |
| 14:06.51 | ^rob^ | okay |
| 14:06.53 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 14:06.56 | freespace | some of them have fried rice in them |
| 14:06.58 | ^rob^ | what |
| 14:07.03 | freespace | the aroma is fantastic, makes you hungry smelling it |
| 14:07.05 | ^rob^ | is wrong with that module? |
| 14:07.14 | freespace | anyways, this is not ##tea |
| 14:07.15 | lunitik | ^rob^: just use nvidia as driver (and maybe turn off composite?) |
| 14:07.17 | freespace | :P~ |
| 14:07.23 | stranger_stone | lol |
| 14:07.24 | badcfe | is there a pluss installing grub? (i only have one debian on this one) its good anyway cause some eventualities gets easier later on? |
| 14:07.54 | sohmestra | stranger_stone: he just can't be a computer person, according to your definition (ie. one who drinks coffee). |
| 14:08.11 | lunitik | ^rob^: also 'man nvidia' for some options for the XServer if its not how you want etc... |
| 14:08.28 | ^rob^ | ok - i'll use nvidia-installer |
| 14:08.30 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 14:08.31 | Bhavesh | abrotman: well how about some tea then? |
| 14:08.41 | ^rob^ | does anyone use acx wireless card? |
| 14:08.50 | ^rob^ | acx 111 |
| 14:09.10 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 14:09.10 | lunitik | !tell ^rob^ about ndiswrapper |
| 14:09.28 | ^rob^ | lunitik: i dont need ndiswrapper acx has driver |
| 14:09.33 | ^rob^ | and firmware |
| 14:09.46 | ^rob^ | i need to know if works well in debian. |
| 14:09.48 | stranger_stone | sohmestra lol iknowi was joking i know chidrens that use debian lol |
| 14:09.59 | ^rob^ | i've used kern 2.6.18 - deb use 2.6.17 |
| 14:10.02 | h3sp4wn | ^rob^: Have you installed it ? what is the problem ? |
| 14:10.20 | ^rob^ | i did not install it yet. - i had some problems on compiling the driver. |
| 14:10.36 | lunitik | ^rob^: 2.6.18 is in Sid... which means its likely going to testing RSN |
| 14:10.45 | ^rob^ | but i'll solve it - now firmware need to be copied at the right place. |
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| 14:10.56 | ^rob^ | but i had a power failure. |
| 14:10.57 | ^rob^ | :( |
| 14:11.23 | ^rob^ | h3sp4wn: do u use acx? |
| 14:11.24 | h3sp4wn | acx100-source build that with module assistant did you try that |
| 14:11.33 | epsilon | what's the name of next debian-version after etch? |
| 14:11.42 | h3sp4wn | ^rob^: I have one but I don't use it often |
| 14:11.46 | ^rob^ | i can't find module-assistant on my distro DVD |
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| 14:12.26 | ^rob^ | and i had a cksum error on writing that dvd - so ... i have to dl now module-assistant |
| 14:12.27 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 14:12.34 | lunitik | ^rob^: So rather than using ndiswrapper.... you're going to use proprietary drivers that are on the net instead? |
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| 14:13.13 | ^rob^ | yes |
| 14:13.20 | lunitik | ndiswrapper is on cd14 .... which means dvd3 probably |
| 14:13.33 | h3sp4wn | acx100-source is in contrib |
| 14:13.41 | ^rob^ | lunitik: why should i use ndiswrapper? - when i've used that driver on arch linux |
| 14:13.55 | ^rob^ | it is working right now. |
| 14:14.00 | abrotman | Bhavesh: don't like tea |
| 14:14.16 | lunitik | ^rob^: Try installing it, and see if it asks for a cd.... |
| 14:14.28 | ^rob^ | acx100 complain about debhelper and module-assistant |
| 14:14.41 | lunitik | ^rob^: Chances are acx100-source is on dvd3 also |
| 14:14.47 | Bhavesh | abrotman: well you are a MUCH better man then me, i am addicted to tea since i was young :) |
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| 14:14.49 | ^rob^ | dvd2 |
| 14:14.54 | ^rob^ | i found it |
| 14:15.05 | ^rob^ | but dvd2 and dvd3 are images |
| 14:15.10 | ^rob^ | i wrote only dvd1 |
| 14:15.11 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.11 | rxKaffee | zignig: what is pxe? |
| 14:15.17 | ^rob^ | can i install from images? |
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| 14:15.21 | lunitik | abrotman: module-assistant isn't on cd sets? |
| 14:15.30 | ^rob^ | can i put apt-get to search mounted iso? |
| 14:15.31 | stranger_stone | we need to ofer one coffee machine to abrotman lol |
| 14:15.35 | badcfe | is there a pluss installing grub? (i only have one debian on this one) its good anyway cause some eventualities gets easier later on? |
| 14:15.38 | lunitik | ^rob^: sure.... |
| 14:15.42 | zignig | rxKaffee: pre execution environment , net-booting a debian machine. |
| 14:15.44 | ^rob^ | lunitik: how? |
| 14:15.53 | lunitik | !apt-cdrom |
| 14:15.53 | dpkg | i heard apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
| 14:16.06 | lunitik | Use it to add all DVD's |
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| 14:16.22 | zignig | rxKaffee: I can install debian with no cdroms or dvds , just straight off my local network. |
| 14:16.55 | lunitik | (apt-cdrom update afaik.... then just keep saying yes when it asks if you have more cd's until you've given it them all.... then apt-cache search as normal) |
| 14:17.07 | rxKaffee | zignig: oh, ok |
| 14:17.35 | lunitik | (Chances are during install, it only checked dvd1...) |
| 14:17.59 | lunitik | If you already fed it all 3.... just apt-cache search |
| 14:18.35 | ^rob^ | !nvidia installer |
| 14:18.35 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 14:19.01 | ^rob^ | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 14:19.01 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 14:19.09 | lunitik | ^rob^: also.... you can use lines like 'deb file://some/where/here ./' in sources.list (which more directly answers your question, but is more of a pita) |
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| 14:21.35 | ^rob^ | roger |
| 14:21.36 | ^rob^ | ty |
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| 14:24.21 | lunitik | I know I'm known for being a KDE zealot.... but seriously.... Evolution doesn't even compete with Kontact :/ |
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| 14:25.49 | h3sp4wn | ^rob^: If you want you could just copy all the deb's to the disk then run dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz (then the deb file line will work pretty simply) |
| 14:26.01 | sohmestra | lunitik: flame, flame, blah blah GNOME is better, blah blah flame, whine, ad hominem attack, etc. |
| 14:26.11 | sohmestra | lunitik: was that what you were after? |
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| 14:26.16 | lunitik | sohmestra: no... not looking to flame.... just saying |
| 14:26.20 | tavancini | guys |
| 14:26.31 | tavancini | how can i enable mod_auth_ldap on apache2? |
| 14:26.40 | lunitik | sohmestra: Its a genuine comment... evolution is a beast, and its a pain to use :/ |
| 14:27.05 | azeem | so don't use it |
| 14:27.07 | fireba11 | tavancini: create a symlink from the mod in folder mods-available to the mods-enabled folder and restart |
| 14:27.10 | sohmestra | lunitik: yeah, I was just trying to give you the standard response to that type of comment |
| 14:27.19 | tavancini | no no... |
| 14:27.28 | tavancini | i use the testing release of debian... |
| 14:27.34 | lunitik | azeem: I keep convincing myself I should be using Gnome... then I spend a week bitching about things, and go back :/ |
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| 14:27.50 | azeem | lunitik: maybe you should get over it |
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| 14:28.18 | tavancini | and apache2... but there is not a libapache2-mod-auth-ldap on testing release |
| 14:28.20 | azeem | some day, you will find that desktop environments are only made for being productive |
| 14:28.21 | lunitik | azeem: oh I am already.... just, I gave my Mother Gnome because its easier... and I can't even get my head around Evolution :/ |
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| 14:28.42 | azeem | lunitik: d'oh, so give here Thunderbird or whatever |
| 14:28.47 | azeem | but anyway |
| 14:29.32 | lunitik | Most Window Managers don't handle loading of kde/gnome libs very well though :/ |
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| 14:29.55 | h3sp4wn | e17 is stable (the window manager anyway) |
| 14:29.55 | tavancini | how can i enable libapache-auth-ldap on testing/apache2 ? |
| 14:30.10 | h3sp4wn | Its just incomplete |
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| 14:30.33 | rxKaffee | speaking of e17, when its complete, will it be possible to run a compositing wm like beryl inside of the e17 de? |
| 14:30.50 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: I recently used the edevelop apt source... crashed several times while doing normal things (like changing settings...) |
| 14:31.01 | lunitik | Its really nice though other than the bugs.... |
| 14:31.18 | h3sp4wn | just use enlightenment_remote to change settings |
| 14:31.44 | lunitik | rxKaffee: I think e17 is doing the kind of things compiz and friends do all ready (certainly has opengl acceleration...) |
| 14:32.02 | h3sp4wn | e17 is software (just proves it can be done right) |
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| 14:32.03 | lunitik | already* |
| 14:32.51 | h3sp4wn | e18 is suppose to have a proper compositing window manager |
| 14:32.52 | enouf | tavancini: need to apt-het install libapache-mod-ldap maybe? |
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| 14:33.04 | h3sp4wn | (like compiz) |
| 14:33.05 | enouf | apt-get* even |
| 14:33.06 | rxKaffee | lunitik: oh, cool... I didn't notice any of those stuffs when I was testing it out |
| 14:33.26 | h3sp4wn | rxKaffee: Turn on the bling module |
| 14:33.38 | enouf | bling bling |
| 14:33.39 | lunitik | rxKaffee: one of the efl modules is strictly for opengl things..... |
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| 14:34.15 | ayaa | how to get a listing of dpkg -l with how much space quota taken by each package |
| 14:34.21 | rxKaffee | does it use the nvidia beta drivers directly, or does it need aiglx/xgl stuf? |
| 14:34.29 | rgsteele | Friday, finally... |
| 14:34.31 | rgsteele | :) |
| 14:35.04 | h3sp4wn | rxKaffee: If you want that you have to uncomment the relevant part of the code (not enabled by default) |
| 14:35.05 | lunitik | rxKaffee: it tries to use whatever supplies opengl afaik (mesa/dri or the proprietary drivers...) |
| 14:35.17 | h3sp4wn | rxKaffee: enlightenment_remote -default-engine-set GL |
| 14:35.38 | rxKaffee | cool :D thnx! |
| 14:35.50 | enouf | ayaa: you'll likely need to man dpkg-query (or just dpkg) and use the installed size option .. dunno the exact syntax |
| 14:36.38 | h3sp4wn | ayaa: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' | sort -n |
| 14:37.13 | ayaa | thanks ! |
| 14:40.13 | cydork | ayaa: aptitude can sort by install size check -Z |
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| 14:40.38 | cydork | ayaa: sorry -O installsize :P |
| 14:41.15 | ayaa | ok cydork thanx |
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| 14:43.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:43.20 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:44.18 | hyper_ch | hmmm, can I download the madwifi packages somewhere? |
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| 14:44.26 | rxKaffee | anyone have suggestion for a front-end to snort, that does not require an httpd runnig? |
| 14:45.28 | enouf | h3sp4wn: very cool stuff .. maybe ayaa would like to add a | less to that .. or a > file.txt |
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| 14:48.30 | rgsteele | Wahoo! Some bug in DRBD that'd been driving me nuts for weeks turned out really to be a bug and not me screwing things up. |
| 14:48.36 | rgsteele | And the fixed it, to boo |
| 14:48.38 | rgsteele | *boot |
| 14:48.48 | rgsteele | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.15 | rgsteele | every time I see !popcon, my mind sees "popcorn" |
| 14:49.53 | enouf | same here |
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| 14:50.47 | Bhavesh | rgsteele: same with me.. makes me feel like going to the break room and get some popcorn poped |
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| 14:51.21 | rgsteele | Bhavesh: Heh |
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| 14:54.23 | abrotman | !tell lunitik about cd contents |
| 14:54.48 | abrotman | Bhavesh: i could probably get into tea .. but never coffee |
| 14:55.07 | lunitik | Anyone knows where to get E17 packages for amd64? |
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| 14:55.24 | lunitik | Apparently its not available via edevelop :/ |
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| 14:57.01 | rgsteele | So, what's the best way to make non-kernel-related .deb's? Something similar to make-kpkg maybe? |
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| 14:57.37 | lunitik | rgsteele: dh_make |
| 14:57.37 | rgsteele | lunitik: Great, I'll check that out |
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| 14:57.57 | lunitik | rgsteele: package is dh-make .... depends debhelper and friends.... |
| 14:58.09 | h3sp4wn | rgsteele: depends what it is - for simple stuff cdbs works fine but the more complicated it is the higher chance it will do it wrong (so you have to use debhelper) |
| 14:58.18 | rgsteele | Yeah, I found it via apt-cache search :) |
| 14:58.34 | rgsteele | h3sp4wn: dually noted |
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| 14:59.13 | lunitik | rgsteele: dh-make is supposed to take any standard source dir and debianize it... seems to work from what I've seen... |
| 14:59.15 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: Try compiling it there is a script which just installs it to /opt so it doesn't interfere with anything |
| 15:00.32 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: I could... it'd be easier to just create a chroot.... I'm just lazy... heh |
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| 15:00.54 | rgsteele | lmao. A few weeks ago when I found a bug in the IE7 installer, it really broke my Windoze box. Apparently, it had some hooks into WMP, so that's broken too :) |
| 15:01.13 | rgsteele | I wonder what else IE7 has hooks in to... |
| 15:01.34 | AngusRF | how do i prevent a kernel module from being loaded at system boot ? |
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| 15:01.52 | rgsteele | angusrf: apt-get install rcconf |
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| 15:02.07 | rgsteele | then run rcconf, and remove it from the list |
| 15:02.16 | AngusRF | ok |
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| 15:02.21 | AngusRF | thank you |
| 15:02.23 | rgsteele | Alternatively, you could muck with the rc.d deal...but rcconf makes the job easy |
| 15:02.25 | petemc | AngusRF: thats not right |
| 15:02.42 | rgsteele | petemc: Works for me |
| 15:02.53 | petemc | rgsteele: for kernel modules? |
| 15:03.04 | petemc | !tell AngusRF about blacklist |
| 15:03.07 | AngusRF | it only lists the init.d-scripts |
| 15:03.41 | petemc | AngusRF: yes, thats whats rcconf is supposed to do |
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| 15:03.53 | rgsteele | petemc, AngusRF: Guess I jumped the gun on that one |
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| 15:05.03 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: The cvs has a /debian directory for everything anyway so you could use dpkg-buildpackage but http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/easy_e17/easy_e17.sh (that script works fine) ./easy_e17.sh -i --skip=entrance_edit_gui (entrance_edit_gui was broken yesterday when I last tried) |
| 15:05.19 | AngusRF | petemc, why not tell AngusRF about blacklist ;) ? |
| 15:05.29 | petemc | eh? |
| 15:05.36 | rgsteele | AngusRF: Try this: man update-modules |
| 15:05.37 | petemc | the bot should have.. |
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| 15:06.08 | rgsteele | Gah, I guess that's obsolete now |
| 15:06.18 | AngusRF | ah the bot. sorry i'm not always looking immediately to what a bot primsgess me |
| 15:06.32 | AngusRF | *privmsg |
| 15:07.03 | rgsteele | AngusRF: petemc can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can edit your /etc/modules.conf and then run update-modules |
| 15:08.17 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i drink coffee at work but like half a cup in whole day, i do like tea but not the made like american way, i like it indian way ( boil milk,tea,suger) and strain it |
| 15:08.30 | abrotman | addict! |
| 15:09.16 | Bhavesh | i am |
| 15:09.19 | Bhavesh | and proud of it :) |
| 15:09.24 | Bhavesh | but only one cup a day |
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| 15:10.33 | HuK0B | where I can report bugs from installer? |
| 15:11.56 | tarzeau | HuK0B: package debian-installer |
| 15:11.59 | tarzeau | HuK0B: which bug? |
| 15:12.46 | lunitik | HuK0B: debian-installer@bugs.debian.org .... check http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer to ensure you're not duplicating things though |
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| 15:14.43 | Bhavesh | rgsteele: here they make coffee too strong. so people normally pour water in it otherwise everyone in the office would be on an edge :) |
| 15:14.46 | HuK0B | yes |
| 15:15.00 | rgsteele | Bhavesh: Where's "here"? |
| 15:15.17 | lunitik | HuK0B: yes you have a nose? |
| 15:15.20 | HuK0B | when I try to boot it stuck on loading .../vmlinuz ............ |
| 15:15.22 | HuK0B | or something |
| 15:15.43 | lunitik | HuK0B: boot to an older kernel? |
| 15:15.46 | HuK0B | this is with both daily and Official RC1 |
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| 15:15.53 | HuK0B | I talk about testing installer |
| 15:16.00 | E-bola | What decides whicxh file in /etc/default exim4 uses? |
| 15:16.08 | E-bola | im trying to run 2 instances of exim for use with mailscanner |
| 15:16.13 | lunitik | E-bola: order probably |
| 15:16.15 | E-bola | and both of them insist on listening to port 25 |
| 15:16.35 | E-bola | even if the new file i created (exim4.out) has QUEUERUNNER='queueonly' and COMMONOPTIONS='-C /var/lib/exim4/config.out.autogenerated' |
| 15:17.25 | petemc | E-bola: the init script for exim4 reads /etc/default/exim4 |
| 15:17.27 | E-bola | hmm there is a queuerunner var in the init script as well |
| 15:17.35 | E-bola | why is the var in both files? |
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| 15:18.36 | petemc | E-bola: some people might not want to use the file in /etc/default/ |
| 15:19.05 | E-bola | well which one takes presedence? |
| 15:19.27 | lunitik | E-bola: the one the init script reads.......... |
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| 15:22.27 | Flimqy | Is there a way to get ssh to _not_ ask the (yes/no) question when connecting to a new host, and just connect anyway? |
| 15:22.46 | petemc | it only should ask once |
| 15:22.52 | Flimqy | I need it to never ask. |
| 15:23.05 | Flimqy | I need to automate ssh to 1200 boxes |
| 15:23.09 | Flimqy | I don't want to type 'yes' 1200 times |
| 15:23.13 | iron_angel | expect? |
| 15:23.34 | Bhavesh | Flimqy: use key exhange? |
| 15:23.48 | Flimqy | Bhavesh: I already have that set up. |
| 15:23.58 | Flimqy | But that doesn't keep ssh from asking if you want to add the remote key to the local cache |
| 15:24.00 | karsten | Flimqy: man ssh. NoStrictKeyCheck or something like. |
| 15:24.05 | blondie | StrictHostKeyChecking |
| 15:24.09 | Flimqy | thanks! |
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| 15:24.15 | blondie | in ssh_config --- I think that's the right option, set it to "no" |
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| 15:24.31 | karsten | Flimqy: IIRC: StrictHostKeyChecking=no |
| 15:24.44 | karsten | Flimqy: Or fully: ssh -o "StrictHostKeyChecking no" user@remote |
| 15:25.12 | Zambezi | Is there a special serverinstall for Debian without X or is it possible to choose during netinstallation, not to install it? |
| 15:25.34 | E-bola | hmm is anybody using 2 instances of exim on the same box? one for incoming one for outygoing |
| 15:25.34 | petemc | Zambezi: it wont install x uless you tell it to |
| 15:25.41 | E-bola | i cant get the outgoing one NOT to listen on port 25 |
| 15:25.51 | tarzeau | E-bola: hehe |
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| 15:25.58 | blondie | E-bola: why do you need two? |
| 15:25.58 | petemc | E-bola: local_interfaces = |
| 15:26.33 | rgsteele | lunitik: Any way to force the maintainer name in a dh_make? |
| 15:26.34 | Zambezi | petemc, Great. I'm having problem with Ubuntu Dapper, so I might give Debian a chance since the computer is rather old. |
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| 15:26.44 | rgsteele | (If I dont want it to use the current info from LDAP?) |
| 15:27.07 | E-bola | blondie: thats how you run mailscanner with exim |
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| 15:27.31 | E-bola | Could anybody explain to me what steps i need to take to have one queuerunner and one listener on the same system? |
| 15:27.42 | E-bola | setting the queueonly var doesnt seem to be enough |
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| 15:28.22 | petemc | E-bola: arent there lots of guides to using mailscanner with exim? |
| 15:28.37 | petemc | i dont use it, as i dont like the way you have to accept mail before its scanned |
| 15:29.13 | lunitik | rgsteele: I'm not sure... read the man page is all I'd say.... |
| 15:29.15 | E-bola | petemc>: there is and i just found the error on the wiki to install mailscanner on debian |
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| 15:29.29 | E-bola | they forgot to mention that on the new init script u make for the outgoing exim |
| 15:29.37 | E-bola | u have to change the name of the default file |
| 15:29.40 | E-bola | from exim4 to exim4.out |
| 15:30.19 | karsten | Zambezi: The default Debian install includes nothing but base essential packages. |
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| 15:30.57 | karsten | Zambezi: About ~130 of those, fits onto ~200 MB or less. |
| 15:31.05 | Zambezi | karsten, And hosts.allow, hosts.deny, sshd_allow is just as easy to find? |
| 15:31.19 | karsten | Zambezi: tcpwrappers |
| 15:31.53 | karsten | Zambezi: Erm... Sec. |
| 15:32.05 | Zambezi | Karius, tcpwrappers is? |
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| 15:32.13 | Zambezi | Karius, Sorry. |
| 15:32.28 | Zambezi | karsten, Tcpwrappers is? |
| 15:32.40 | karsten | Zambezi: I _thought_ there was a tcpwrappers package. conffiles (stuff under /etc) may or may not be owned by anything. I think that may be part of base install. |
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| 15:33.44 | karsten | Zambezi: Failing all else, just create your own files. What was the question? |
| 15:33.53 | Zambezi | karsten, I might have to find out myself. |
| 15:33.55 | dogmeat | is there a way to restore the boot sector on a broken hdd? |
| 15:34.22 | karsten | dogmeat: Reinstall your bootloader. Or copy from backed-up MBR. |
| 15:34.42 | karsten | dogmeat: What bootloader, and broken how? |
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| 15:35.06 | karsten | dogmeat: Naturally, you'd want some _other_ bootable media (eg: knoppix, tomsrootbt) to do this. |
| 15:35.50 | dogmeat | windows, dunno which version. possibly the hdd went bad after so much use. |
| 15:35.51 | Zambezi | karsten, I might give it a shot, but for now I'm too tired. Do you know if there's a page where I can check packages in apt-get? Like which version a packages has. |
| 15:36.17 | Hermes42 | Q: I want to make-kpkg a Xen Kernel in etch, but there is no xen-source package. any hints? |
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| 15:41.50 | vith | how do i stop dhclient from putting a "search" option in resolv.conf? |
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| 15:43.26 | d0uglas | vith i had the exact same thing |
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| 15:43.36 | d0uglas | slows nslookups down like four seconds |
| 15:43.42 | d0uglas | pain is the ass to delete it every time |
| 15:44.00 | d0uglas | maybe you can lock it down with chmod unless you switch networks a lot |
| 15:44.02 | dendrite | vith: man dhclient.conf. |
| 15:44.17 | d0uglas | or that |
| 15:45.44 | vith | i already read that; only thing i saw was the supersede option, which i tried, but it said "unknown option search" or similar when bringing the interface up |
| 15:46.11 | dendrite | vith: Sounds like you were getting close. |
| 15:46.11 | badcfe | whats the easiest way to change ip address configuration on a debian. isnt it some install program? i forgot... |
| 15:46.25 | dendrite | badcfe: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:46.43 | dendrite | badcfe: man 5 interfaces for details. |
| 15:47.15 | badcfe | apparently /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts, /etc/networks and /etc/resolf.conf needs update, so a nice ncurses menu based system like under the installation produre would be great. |
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| 15:48.16 | gndWrk | hello |
| 15:48.28 | dendrite | badcfe: Most debianistas regard tweaking those files as too simple to need a buggy layer on top. |
| 15:48.32 | gndWrk | anyone knows when firefox 2 will be apt-gettable in unstable? |
| 15:49.02 | badcfe | dendrite: but there is a program, i know. i just dont remember its name. its actually the installer, that can be rerun in order to do config |
| 15:49.46 | abrotman | gndWrk: when it gets there |
| 15:50.17 | Flimqy | Hrm. Is there some way to _not_ do password authentication if key authentication fails, and just exit? |
| 15:50.22 | Flimqy | er... with ssh, taht is |
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| 15:50.44 | Inez | Hi |
| 15:50.51 | Inez | How to install old version of some package |
| 15:51.03 | Inez | I want to install libpcre3-6.4-2 |
| 15:51.06 | Inez | no version 7 |
| 15:51.13 | Flimqy | Inez: download it, then dpkg -i |
| 15:51.58 | Inez | Flimqy where can I download it? |
| 15:52.05 | Flimqy | Inez: google? |
| 15:52.13 | Flimqy | Inez: archive.debian.org? |
| 15:52.32 | vith | even if i try something like 'supersede search "stop.it";' it says no option search, and semicolon expected |
| 15:52.33 | petemc | !sdn |
| 15:52.33 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 15:53.07 | gndWrk | Iney: check your /var/cache/apt/archive , if you upgraded it while doing an dist-upgrade it might still be in there |
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| 15:53.33 | gndWrk | Inez, that is if you want to do a downgrade |
| 15:53.49 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 15:53.49 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 15:53.50 | Inez | I want to do |
| 15:54.00 | Inez | gndWrk I Install new system |
| 15:54.03 | Inez | and dont have old package |
| 15:54.07 | gndWrk | oh, nevermind then |
| 15:54.08 | Inez | but want to downgrade that one |
| 15:54.17 | Inez | I found http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/p/pcre3/binary-i386/ |
| 15:54.21 | Inez | but there is opnyl new version |
| 15:54.24 | dendrite | vith: You need to find the right name for that option. At the bottom of the dhclient.conf man page there are some see also references that may help. |
| 15:55.34 | Inez | gndWrk ? |
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| 15:57.27 | gndWrk | Inez; sorry, I don't know where you could find an old installer |
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| 16:05.22 | vith | i didn't find anything about search in man dhcp-options, but i removed some stuff like host-name from the request list, and that stopped it |
| 16:05.42 | davi | How to force the X.org server to reload the xorg.conf file ? |
| 16:05.49 | petemc | davi: restart it |
| 16:05.54 | jeward | I get the following error when trying to upgrade ssh: VT 8 is in use; command aborted |
| 16:05.57 | jeward | use `openvt -f' to force.invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "restart" failed. |
| 16:05.59 | davi | thanks petemc |
| 16:06.00 | jeward | How do I correct? |
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| 16:11.13 | Flimqy | Can someone tell me how to disable the auto-mark-as-read feature in evolution? I've found it once before... but this time I've searched thru all the options I can find, and can't see where to turn it off. :/ |
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| 16:12.23 | Flimqy | n/m, I found it |
| 16:12.23 | Flimqy | ha |
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| 16:14.33 | boodie | Hi - I'm in trouble with sane (and I need a document scanned!) - so, it seems to work as root, but not as user, despite I have put myself into the groups 'scanner' and 'saned' ... what could be missing? |
| 16:14.46 | vith | ok, next problem. the console seems way slower than it should be when scrolling, for example with `less`. i'm not running X. it takes about 5 seconds to scroll one page of text at 1280x1024. i have a vooodoo5 video card |
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| 16:24.27 | adamt | where can i find mtaskbar for debian? (or taskbar v.2 as somebody calls it) |
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| 16:26.03 | datrus | hello |
| 16:26.36 | datrus | does anyone know how i can upgrade from debian stable to ubuntu easily? links? |
| 16:26.56 | Ronin | datrus: thats not an upgrade, thats a distro change |
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| 16:27.19 | Ronin | datrus: you backup what you want to keep, dl the ubunto iso then install it blowing away all that wonderful debian |
| 16:27.51 | datrus | ok, but this is for my dedicated server |
| 16:28.07 | odla | datrus: well put ubuntu on a server? debian is more secure and stable |
| 16:28.08 | datrus | because debian stable takes too long to release new versions |
| 16:28.15 | datrus | 1.5 years i believe |
| 16:28.20 | datrus | so i'm missing some packages |
| 16:28.28 | datrus | for example postgres8.1, etc. |
| 16:28.31 | Ronin | datrus: well wouldn't you want a server to be stable and secure and not cutting edge |
| 16:28.37 | Ronin | datrus: simple sid backports |
| 16:28.42 | datrus | i prefer the 6mmonth release sycle |
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| 16:28.51 | Ronin | datrus: wow, to each thier own i guess |
| 16:29.08 | datrus | i used the backports before, but i sometimes have problems with it due to broken packages |
| 16:29.15 | petemc | datrus: its possible to install in a chroot, its not exactly straight forward tho |
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| 16:30.55 | datrus | on the other hand debian unstable updates to often for my server so that's why i want to try the ubuntu packages |
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| 16:31.06 | boodie | I am well equipped with etch - never considered ubuntu |
| 16:31.07 | sqrxz | Do you need a firewall for debian? |
| 16:31.16 | Ronin | eww unstagle and server in the same sentence |
| 16:31.16 | Ronin | unstable even |
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| 16:31.32 | jeward | Can anyone help me with this: VT 8 is in use; command aborted |
| 16:31.32 | jeward | use `openvt -f' to force.invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "restart" failed. |
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| 16:32.39 | quitte | datrus: and why not instead use testing?ß |
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| 16:35.06 | datrus | quitte: i think i will try 'testing' before trying ubuntu, but on the webpage it says "testing" does not get security updates in a timely manner |
| 16:36.07 | quitte | yes that's a little sad |
| 16:36.22 | Muisje | http://pastebin.ca/250978 <-- i would like to have this shell script put the input field on the line echo'd above, anyone has an idea howto? |
| 16:36.27 | cusco | thats because its testing software :P |
| 16:36.36 | cusco | altho you have unsupported updates |
| 16:36.48 | Ronin | almost contradictory way of thinking |
| 16:37.15 | cusco | secure-testing.debian.net |
| 16:38.07 | malverian | Bash on Debian doesn't source /etc/profile by default? |
| 16:38.12 | malverian | On login shells? |
| 16:38.15 | x_link | Ronin: Hi, I said wrong the other day. My friend says that "apt-get dist-upgrade" can turn my Debian Testing into Unstable insted. Is that true ? |
| 16:38.28 | quitte | yes |
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| 16:38.53 | x_link | quitte: Realy ? |
| 16:38.54 | x_link | Really ? |
| 16:39.07 | sqrxz | How to prevent users from even entering others home directory? |
| 16:39.20 | malverian | sqrxz: umask |
| 16:39.24 | rxKaffee | sqrxz: w-x |
| 16:39.28 | SlayerXP | sqrxz: 30 seconds education with a small hammer should do it. |
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| 16:39.57 | malverian | sqrxz: If they share the same default group, you will need to chmod go-rx. If they don't, then o-rx will suffice. |
| 16:39.59 | Ronin | x_link: no |
| 16:40.05 | quitte | x_link: depending on your /etc/apt/sources.list, definately. please don't ask again |
| 16:40.15 | x_link | quitte: Okey. |
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| 16:40.17 | cusco | malverian: /etc/profile on my machine is readable |
| 16:40.27 | malverian | cusco: it's readable, but it's not sourced on login. |
| 16:40.38 | malverian | cusco: At least with this newly installed etch box I just made. |
| 16:41.08 | Flimzy | I intend to build a Debian-based firewall & AP... Someone the other day recommended an Atheros chipset for the wireless card... Does anyone here have experience running a Debian AP? Is this chipset going to be my best bet? |
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| 16:41.40 | jeward | Can someone please help me get openssh upgraded on a box throwing an error? |
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| 16:41.53 | malverian | Flimzy: Get a WRT-54GL and save yourself lots of hassle and electricity. |
| 16:42.01 | quitte | right |
| 16:42.03 | malverian | jeward: What's the error? |
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| 16:42.28 | Flimzy | malverian: Nope. I've done tech support for those too long to own one. |
| 16:42.29 | jeward | malverian: I'll paste it somewhere. |
| 16:42.46 | jeward | malverian: What is your preferred paste site? |
| 16:42.47 | malverian | cusco: In other words.. if I put 'PS1="I <3 debian $"' in /etc/profile and log in as a user.. it will still be the boring default ;) |
| 16:42.52 | sqrxz | No manual entry for umask...huh? |
| 16:42.54 | malverian | jeward: doesn't matter |
| 16:43.28 | malverian | Flimzy: In my experience they work beautifully.. no moving parts, very low power footprint, DD-WRT is wonderfully easy to use, etc. |
| 16:43.54 | malverian | Flimzy: Note I said the GL, not the GS. GL is the one that comes with the Linux firmware. |
| 16:43.58 | Flimzy | malverian: Even if that is true, I prefer the flexibility of a full Linux box. |
| 16:44.03 | jeward | malverian: http://paste.lisp.org/display/30092 |
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| 16:45.08 | malverian | Flimzy: You mean being able to install other hardware? As far as software flexibility goes, the GL literally will be a debian based Linux install. |
| 16:45.16 | malverian | If you install the dd firmware. |
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| 16:45.30 | MatBoy | damn, why is Suse such a crap to install :( |
| 16:45.42 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.44 | dendrite | MatBoy: Because you're in #debian. |
| 16:45.46 | MatBoy | Debian really rules in that way ! |
| 16:45.51 | MatBoy | dendrite, hehe |
| 16:46.06 | malverian | jeward: I'm not sure why it wants to use VT8, but the error its giving is likely because you have something like X windows running on VT8. |
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| 16:46.25 | jeward | malverian: Still get it after reboot. |
| 16:46.30 | malverian | jeward: Hm. |
| 16:46.38 | jeward | malverian: X isn't installed on the box I think. |
| 16:46.45 | malverian | Let me look at the init script. |
| 16:46.47 | strk | as usual, after an upgrade fonts in firefox don't work (*some* fonts) - I remember I fixed this in the past but can't remember how, anyone ? (something about tex_fonts or similar) |
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| 16:46.55 | Flimzy | malverian: Thanks. I still want to use a PC. |
| 16:46.55 | jeward | malverian: I appreciate it. |
| 16:46.57 | malverian | jeward: 1 sec. |
| 16:47.06 | LoneShadow | Hi, I just installed ircd-hybrid on my debian server, clients are able to join in, if they are from the same host. Does debian have some sort of firewall to be configured ? |
| 16:47.10 | MatBoy | I'm thinking of installing ifolder on Debian, someone already done this ? |
| 16:47.21 | jeward | malverian: #openssh guy freaked saying there was no reason to use openvt in the init script. |
| 16:47.22 | malverian | Flimzy: Alright, have fun I guess. I've never messed with any desktop wireless cards. |
| 16:47.33 | ThePianoGuy | hi |
| 16:47.43 | malverian | jeward: Yeah, it really shouldn't be, unless it's for generating noise for the ssl cert generation or something |
| 16:47.48 | malverian | jeward: I'm looking at the init script now. |
| 16:47.59 | jeward | malverian: Thanks. |
| 16:48.03 | ThePianoGuy | how do I call arbitrary python script/function from C? Could someone point me to any python irc channels please? |
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| 16:48.33 | Flimzy | malverian: I haven't either. But I've been running Linux routers for 10 years, and love 'em. hehe |
| 16:48.40 | malverian | jeward: Hmm.. I'm not seeing openvt in mine anywhere... |
| 16:48.46 | malverian | jeward: grep "openvt" /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 16:48.46 | malverian | ? |
| 16:49.26 | malverian | Flimzy: Yes, I love 'em too. Which is why I love the 54GL :) |
| 16:49.27 | jeward | K. |
| 16:49.43 | malverian | Flimzy: It's a ultra-small profile, fully capable linux machine. |
| 16:49.47 | jeward | jeward@ip4:~$ grep "openvt" /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 16:49.47 | jeward | openvt -c 8 /bin/bash |
| 16:49.50 | malverian | Flimzy: And they last forever. |
| 16:50.00 | malverian | jeward: What version of debian are you using? |
| 16:50.00 | Flimzy | malverian: And they don't always work right :P |
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| 16:50.13 | jeward | jeward@ip4:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:50.14 | jeward | 3.1 |
| 16:50.21 | malverian | Flimzy: It's possible I've just been lucky. I've never had a problem with any of the ones with Linux firmware. |
| 16:50.24 | Flimzy | malverian: And I doubt they'd have the CPU power for a full IPsec implimentation |
| 16:50.32 | malverian | Flimzy: The one with the VisionWare firmware is a different story all together :) |
| 16:50.55 | Flimzy | malverian: And will probably cost more than buying a wireless card for the PC I have |
| 16:50.58 | malverian | Flimzy: Obviously you've never used DD-WRT :-P |
| 16:51.00 | jeward | malverian: 3.1 |
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| 16:51.43 | malverian | Flimzy: Actually, it's possible it only does passthru mode. |
| 16:51.50 | malverian | Flimzy: Oh well, either way. Linux pwns for routing :) |
| 16:52.11 | jeward | malverian: Should I comment out that line? |
| 16:52.13 | malverian | Flimzy: And for a _home_ router, the 54GL works pretty well in my experience. |
| 16:52.30 | sng | Sorry. Best joke I've heard in a while. :) |
| 16:52.45 | malverian | Anyone else with a Debian 3.1 install that has this "openvt" line in it? |
| 16:52.50 | petemc | no |
| 16:52.51 | malverian | In their /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 16:52.58 | malverian | jeward: You might want to do some rootkit checking. |
| 16:53.04 | jeward | malverian: Worked on 200 other servers... |
| 16:53.06 | malverian | sng: Which part? |
| 16:53.18 | malverian | jeward: All of your other 3.1 servers have the openvt thing |
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| 16:53.20 | jeward | malverian: Where would I start? |
| 16:53.21 | malverian | jeward: ? |
| 16:53.35 | jeward | malverian: Let me check another one. |
| 16:54.00 | jeward | malverian: Sadly no., |
| 16:54.01 | malverian | jeward: I really can't imagine why the ssh init script would need to use openvt for normal startup/restart |
| 16:54.09 | jeward | malverian: Think it's been hacked? |
| 16:54.13 | malverian | jeward: Yeah, I'd say install rkhunter and a few others and do some damage control. |
| 16:54.27 | jeward | malverian :-( |
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| 16:54.29 | malverian | jeward: Unless you installed a weird copy of openssh from outside of the main pools. |
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| 16:54.35 | sohmestra | should $sender_address always be set in exim4? For some reason, it's expanding to nothing, and I'm trying to decide if that's weird or not. |
| 16:54.37 | jeward | malverian: ALl done the same. |
| 16:54.41 | malverian | jeward: Or if you ran some script that would modify the init script for some reason. |
| 16:54.48 | jeward | malverian: looks like we've been kacked. |
| 16:54.52 | jeward | hacked, |
| 16:55.06 | jeward | malverian: What would that line provide? |
| 16:55.10 | malverian | jeward: Well don't get too freaked out.. it's possible there's something you or one of your other admins did without knowing. |
| 16:55.30 | malverian | jeward: Show me the whole line? |
| 16:56.09 | malverian | jeward: Actually, if you want to pastebin the init script I'll look at it. |
| 16:56.50 | LoneShadow | Is the default firewall on debian - IPTables ? |
| 16:57.09 | Ronin | LoneShadow: yes but not on by default, or even installed iirc |
| 16:57.22 | dendrite | LoneShadow: iptables is the program that configures the in-kernel packet filtering, known as netfilter. |
| 16:57.23 | malverian | LoneShadow: Depends ;) I think 3.1 still might be using ipchains </sarcasm> |
| 16:57.23 | jeward | malverian: It's the last line before the end: |
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| 16:57.39 | jeward | openvt -c 8 /bin/bash |
| 16:57.39 | jeward | exit 0 |
| 16:57.43 | malverian | Hmm.. |
| 16:57.47 | malverian | It just starts a bash terminal on vt8 |
| 16:57.51 | malverian | But I can't imagine why it would do that. |
| 16:57.56 | LoneShadow | I need to allow a port, trying to figure out where is the default firewall settings |
| 16:57.59 | malverian | Ooooh... |
| 16:58.09 | malverian | Unless someone with physical access to the box wanted it to give them a root prompt on vt8 |
| 16:58.13 | malverian | Without logging in. |
| 16:58.26 | malverian | It seems like someone with physical access may have compromised the box. |
| 16:58.35 | malverian | Otherwise that line doesn't do much use to an outside attacker. |
| 16:58.41 | dendrite | LoneShadow: By default there is no packet filtering, so if you install a program that listens, then it'll be open. |
| 16:58.42 | ephemeros | yo |
| 16:58.55 | PaSurf | if I wanted to track how and when devices where loaded, and weather they where loaded in time to be mounted by Debian, where would I look and what would I be looking for? (Or when should this device be loaded) |
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| 16:59.11 | malverian | PaSurf: dmesg is a good starting point. |
| 16:59.20 | LoneShadow | does "netstat -a" indicate what ports are being listened at ? |
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| 16:59.31 | dendrite | LoneShadow: netstat -plunt is better. |
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| 17:00.07 | malverian | LoneShadow: netstat -tul |
| 17:00.18 | malverian | LoneShadow: But sometimes they will be listening only on 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:00.19 | jeward | malverian: We're going to take the server offline and look at it next week. |
| 17:00.31 | jeward | malverian: Thanks for your help! |
| 17:00.34 | malverian | LoneShadow: So eg.. ones that say "localhost:<port>" are not accessible to outside. |
| 17:01.01 | malverian | jeward: No problem. I'd say install some forensics software and try to find the person responsible. |
| 17:01.09 | malverian | jeward: Like I said, likely someone with physical access to the machine. |
| 17:01.41 | PaSurf | malverian: so really, would it matter when the device was recognized and loaded. My issue is fstab is not mounting an external scsi device I have attached through the backplane |
| 17:01.47 | malverian | jeward: It's very easy to root a box if you have physical access... especially if they can modify the grub boot params or set it to boot from CD/floppy |
| 17:02.07 | malverian | jeward: All they have to do is use grub to boot "init=/bin/bash" and they immediately have root. |
| 17:02.08 | jeward | malverian: It's at a hosting service., |
| 17:02.22 | malverian | jeward: Probably they did it once in off hours and added that backdoor to make it easier in the future. |
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| 17:02.59 | rxKaffee | lol, if I worked a hosting service, I would backdoor all the boxen for personal use too :P |
| 17:03.03 | malverian | PaSurf: It should be available as soon as the module is loaded (or if builtin, before init starts) |
| 17:03.19 | d0uglas | what's the ssh option to send null packets every now and then |
| 17:03.21 | rxKaffee | could set them all up to inflate my f@h rating while they're not busy ;) |
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| 17:03.50 | dendrite | d0uglas: Keepalive? Something like that. |
| 17:03.57 | jeward | malverian: Thanks! |
| 17:04.12 | malverian | Poor guy ;) |
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| 17:04.43 | malverian | LoneShadow: The easiest way to check in my opinion is just to fire up nmap and run it against your network interface. |
| 17:05.03 | malverian | LoneShadow: Eg. "nmap <routable_ip_address>" |
| 17:05.46 | PaSurf | malverian: so if I pasted the results to the pastbin could you tell me if it loaded correctly or if there are issues? also how would I get the results of the dmesg to a text file? |
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| 17:07.42 | sqrxz | what does this mean, I try to run "login bob" and get: No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
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| 17:09.47 | LoneShadow | malverian: for some reason its working now, didnt have to change anything |
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| 17:11.34 | PaSurf | !pastebin |
| 17:11.34 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 17:14.13 | PaSurf | malverian: Could you take a look at this and see if its loading correctly? http://pastebin.ca/251006 |
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| 17:16.21 | suppaman | hello |
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| 17:33.31 | diesel | What is the Debian equivalent to RedHat's kickstart? |
| 17:34.50 | azeem | diesel: preseed, I believe |
| 17:34.53 | azeem | or maybe FAI, dunno |
| 17:35.08 | diesel | azeem: thanks, I will look into that |
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| 17:35.53 | diesel | azeem: FAI looks good |
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| 17:36.50 | diesel | azeem: preseed also looks promising |
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| 17:42.41 | pll | Hi folks, how can I determine under which license a package was released? |
| 17:42.58 | pll | Is there an apt- command or a dpkg option? |
| 17:43.46 | justStormY | ouhh |
| 17:43.46 | rxKaffee | pll: I think man page for the ap should say |
| 17:43.50 | justStormY | i don't think so |
| 17:44.12 | pll | rxKaffee: I tried the man pages for both apt and dpkg. |
| 17:44.26 | lunaphyte_ | how can i force a file to always stay owned by a certain user, even if someone in it's group modifies it? |
| 17:44.54 | dendrite | pll: /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright |
| 17:44.54 | justStormY | no |
| 17:44.54 | justStormY | jepp |
| 17:44.54 | justStormY | :) |
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| 17:45.15 | pll | The -f option to dpkg has promise, but it seems there's no License: field |
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| 17:45.53 | rxKaffee | pll: I meant manpages might list license type |
| 17:47.08 | danIG | hi folx, how do I determine which ports are used by what process? and what they are connected to? |
| 17:47.21 | rxKaffee | netstat -anp |
| 17:47.28 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 17:47.32 | dendrite | danIG: Or lsof -i :<port> |
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| 17:48.45 | rxKaffee | dendrite: that is a very handy output format, thnx |
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| 17:49.26 | Caelum | any way to pick up the new forwarded SSH agent when reattaching to a screen session? |
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| 17:49.45 | ofer0 | Who was Lenny in Toy Story ? |
| 17:50.02 | Eulex | the binoculars |
| 17:50.10 | ofer0 | oh |
| 17:50.12 | oOGneaOo | Caelum: what do you mean? just reattach screen on the remote end |
| 17:50.17 | tonyb2006 | lol... |
| 17:50.18 | ofer0 | Eulex, thanks |
| 17:51.07 | danIG | dendrite, I don't have lsof... |
| 17:51.27 | Caelum | oOGneaOo: you don't get the SSH* environment variables that way |
| 17:51.48 | dendrite | danIG: Install it!!! |
| 17:51.52 | danIG | I had a problem with my zope server which tells me that it cant bind to port because it is already in use... |
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| 17:52.16 | Eulex | danIG, oh, that's quite odd |
| 17:52.18 | oOGneaOo | Caelum: why would you want them? |
| 17:52.31 | Caelum | oOGneaOo: for agent forwarding... |
| 17:53.10 | Eulex | danIG, then I guess you don't have alsa either? |
| 17:53.13 | oOGneaOo | Caelum: then you'd probably need to edit your .screenrc in order to import them properly |
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| 17:53.32 | danIG | I had the problem once before, and the output of netstat showed some irregularities which meant that the server was compromised. Now I don't see the same problem... (or the attacker has hidden it better) |
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| 17:55.29 | grendal_prime | i got a machine im trying to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 and i keep ketting a kernel panic about pivot root. |
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| 17:56.01 | oOGneaOo | grendal_prime: what's the exact error message? |
| 17:56.01 | hanzzon | is there a known problem with the Debian etch bootloader and windows vista? it properly found the vista (longhorn) bootloader and asked me if I wanted to replace it with grub but when I answered yes and restarted the vista bootloader was still there, and when I boot directly to the HDD that Debian was installed I get Grub error 21 (presumably since the full bootloader was not installed on this hdd?) |
| 17:56.07 | dendrite | grendal_prime: And what approach are you taking to upgrade? |
| 17:56.10 | grendal_prime | and i tried to install udev and it dows not seem to be a problem |
| 17:56.17 | grendal_prime | aptitude on the install.. |
| 17:56.26 | grendal_prime | kernel image |
| 17:56.32 | grendal_prime | debian kernel image |
| 17:56.38 | PupenoR | Is there any nice (dialog based) way to choose the timezone ? |
| 17:56.38 | dendrite | hanzzon: Do you have virus protection enabled in your BIOS? |
| 17:56.40 | oOGneaOo | !vista |
| 17:56.40 | dpkg | i heard vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
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| 17:57.08 | blondie | PupenoR: run tzconfig |
| 17:57.11 | oOGneaOo | hanzzon: you'll need to reinstall grub |
| 17:57.23 | dendrite | PupenoR: tcconfig |
| 17:57.35 | hanzzon | erm, that was uncalled for, I'm asking about a problem REPLACING the vista bootloader |
| 17:57.42 | oOGneaOo | hanzzon: i think there's a special hack for it tho, since vista has its own routine... you'd need to google for it |
| 17:57.58 | dendrite | hanzzon: Wasn't meant as a dig. Sometimes the factoids have useful information. That one didn't. |
| 17:58.00 | oOGneaOo | hanzzon: please do not preach to me about what is and isn't uncalled for. |
| 17:58.45 | danIG | Eulex: sorry, no I don't have alsa what whould I need it for? |
| 17:59.18 | hanzzon | asking about a specific problem with the vista bootloader not getting replaced by grub by the debian installer and then getting told that vista is not on topic does not sound very friendly to me |
| 17:59.22 | danIG | s/whould/would/g |
| 17:59.29 | Eulex | danIG, oh, nvm, you wouldn't need it on a server. |
| 17:59.35 | dendrite | hanzzon: Drop it. |
| 17:59.47 | Ronin | play nice kids, its friday |
| 17:59.59 | oOGneaOo | what a stupid piece of shit. i even offered to help anyway. |
| 18:00.20 | Ronin | heh left in a snit did they |
| 18:00.29 | dendrite | !customer |
| 18:00.29 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:00.29 | danIG | of course not i don't have to give my server admin any sound output... |
| 18:00.32 | Eulex | !friday |
| 18:00.32 | dpkg | friday is probably Tardsday Eve Eve |
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| 18:00.51 | zskdan | hi |
| 18:01.30 | Eulex | danIG, yeah, I falsely assumed it was a desktop system you had there, looked up what stuff in debian was depending on lsof -- and found alsa-base |
| 18:01.38 | zskdan | how can i list modules attach to a device ?? |
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| 18:03.41 | grendal_prime | ok pivot_root: no such file or directory next line reads /sbin/init : 432 : cannot open dev/console : no such file last line kernel panic attempted to kill init! |
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| 18:04.27 | grendal_prime | i installed udev and it still gets that error... googled it and several articles suggest that cause udev has been removed from kernel 2.6? |
| 18:05.14 | Eulex | grendal_prime, is this 2.6.8? |
| 18:05.36 | grendal_prime | the cd only had 2.6.8-2 ya |
| 18:06.02 | cusco | dudes... Im using exim4 as my email server |
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| 18:06.15 | cusco | what imap-server should I install to make squirrelmail |
| 18:06.16 | cusco | work |
| 18:06.19 | oOGneaOo | grendal_prime: ok, what branch are you running and what kernel version? |
| 18:06.23 | oOGneaOo | !brancdh |
| 18:06.27 | oOGneaOo | !branch |
| 18:06.27 | dpkg | i heard branch is what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
| 18:06.32 | cusco | I mean.. a small or low processing imap server.... |
| 18:06.49 | crazyglue | that's a secret |
| 18:06.52 | grendal_prime | the bummer is, the nic in this machine needs a 2.6 kernel..so i cant get online with it untwll i get 2. kernel to upgrad.. |
| 18:07.07 | grendal_prime | its sarge r2 i believe |
| 18:07.18 | rxKaffee | that sucks ... what nic is it? |
| 18:07.33 | grendal_prime | bcm i believe |
| 18:07.35 | oOGneaOo | cat /etc/debian_version && cat /proc/version |
| 18:07.48 | rxKaffee | grendal_prime: bcm4318 perhaps? |
| 18:07.53 | Eulex | grendal_prime, might the device names of your root partition have changed between 2.4 and 2.6, say, from /dev/hda to /dev/sda? |
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| 18:08.08 | oOGneaOo | grendal_prime: what kind of hard drive are you using? |
| 18:08.13 | grendal_prime | Eulex, i dont think so |
| 18:08.18 | oOGneaOo | grendal_prime: ide or sata? |
| 18:08.21 | grendal_prime | its a laptop.. |
| 18:08.29 | oOGneaOo | that's nice. ide or sata? |
| 18:08.29 | grendal_prime | sata probably? |
| 18:08.30 | Eulex | grendal_prime, chipset? |
| 18:08.35 | oOGneaOo | what laptop? |
| 18:08.40 | grendal_prime | ide on the drive sorry |
| 18:08.47 | zskdan | how can i list modules attach to a device ?? |
| 18:08.48 | grendal_prime | inspiron 6000 |
| 18:08.57 | oOGneaOo | !laptop |
| 18:08.57 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 18:09.06 | Eulex | no, the inspiron 6000 has a sata drive |
| 18:09.08 | oOGneaOo | have you looked at tuxmobil.org yet? |
| 18:09.14 | Eulex | I know, cause I'm using one right now. |
| 18:09.28 | grendal_prime | owner says...nope on the sata |
| 18:09.36 | Eulex | then he's wrong |
| 18:09.42 | oOGneaOo | !beer Eulex |
| 18:09.57 | grendal_prime | what is the easyest way to look up drive specs |
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| 18:10.27 | Eulex | grendal_prime, and _yes_, 2.4 did detect the primary drive as /dev/hda, while 2.6 does detect it as /dev/sda. |
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| 18:11.07 | cahoot | grendal_prime, in /proc/ide maybe |
| 18:11.07 | spez | can anyone tell me what "transition package" means in the descriptions for debian kernels? |
| 18:12.10 | Eulex | grendal_prime, oh, and fyi, 2.6.8 never worked on the i6000. you need at least 2.6.11 (or maybe 2.6.10) |
| 18:12.44 | grendal_prime | ok, well...so if i download the testing disks it has that kernel on it? |
| 18:12.48 | Eulex | yeah |
| 18:12.54 | Eulex | actually, it has 2.6.17 |
| 18:12.59 | Eulex | methinks |
| 18:13.03 | Eulex | or maybe it was 2.6.18? |
| 18:13.10 | Eulex | anyway, it's new enough |
| 18:13.51 | rgsteele | Anybody here built drbd 0.7.21 or greater for Sarge? |
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| 18:14.14 | cydork | Eulex: it's 2.6.18 for sure.. |
| 18:14.20 | cydork | Eulex: it's not :P |
| 18:14.43 | Eulex | :) |
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| 18:16.30 | Eulex | grendal_prime, for more info, see http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html . and yes, it needs updating, but it still does contain a lot of useful info. |
| 18:16.42 | spez | could anyone explain why "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp" just dumps a few files in /usr/share/doc but doesn't actually install the kernel? |
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| 18:17.48 | malverian | PaSurf: Hey, you get yoru question answered already? |
| 18:18.04 | malverian | PaSurf: I had a potluck at work to attend (free food can't be passed up ;) |
| 18:18.10 | Muisje | what can i use to make partial matches in a shell script? |
| 18:18.37 | Muisje | i want that if a parameter is added and starts with no_color= |
| 18:18.49 | Muisje | that i can get the value issued after the = |
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| 18:19.21 | malverian | Muisje: There are many ways. |
| 18:19.23 | Muisje | i only need 1 ;'-p |
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| 18:20.48 | Eulex | spez, because it's a metapackage that installs the newest em64t package available? |
| 18:20.56 | malverian | Muisje: I'm not sure #debian is the appropriate place to ask, but here goes.. echo "foo --bar --no_color=baz --crud" | egrep -o -- " --no_color=(.*?)\b" | cut -d'=' -f2 |
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| 18:21.26 | spez | eulex, i guess my real question is, is there a prebuilt kernel i can install, am i missing a step? |
| 18:21.58 | sgeigerbot | What's wrong: I get "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" when I try grub-install /dev/hda ...both from within a chroot and outside it. |
| 18:22.13 | malverian | Muisje: echo "foo --bar --no_color=baz --crud" | egrep -o -- " --no_color=([[:alnum:]]+)" | cut -d'=' -f2 |
| 18:22.22 | malverian | Muisje: Will print out "baz" |
| 18:22.33 | PaSurf | malverian: I totally understand. Not yet, I put some info in pastebin to see if maybe you could check out the info and see why I was not able to mount via fstab. I have tried several things. First tune2fs to i guess get the disks setup with ext3 or ext2 w/journaling. The disks show up when I do a fdisk, and will mount through the command line. Also, when I add the <type > as ext3 in fstab the system basically stops, and I hav |
| 18:22.43 | malverian | Muisje: if that's not what you wanted, you did a poor job explaining your needs :-P |
| 18:22.44 | sgeigerbot | (chroot is of a filesystem on the ahrd drive. I have booted from a live cd...because I can't load Linux on the Machine yet, as I don't have a MBR.) |
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| 18:22.52 | PaSurf | malverian: I will get the dmesg and pastebin again... |
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| 18:24.14 | Eulex | spez, on stable, that package depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp, which is a 'real' kernel package. on testing, it depends on linux-image-2.6-amd64, which in turn depends on linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64, which, again, is a package containing a kernel. on unstable it depends on linux-image-2.6-amd64, which then depends on linux-image-2.6.18-2-amd64. |
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| 18:25.08 | PaSurf | !pastebin |
| 18:25.08 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 18:25.17 | aronofsky | hi , i try to compile beryl and i got the following : Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined , i cant find what i should install , can anyone tell me ? |
| 18:25.43 | PaSurf | malverian: http://pastebin.ca/251048 |
| 18:25.44 | Eulex | spez, thus you already should've gotten the kernel that you asked for installed and it should be offered next time you reboot... |
| 18:26.03 | Eulex | spez, that is, if you didn't just dpkg -i the package |
| 18:26.38 | spez | eulex, i didn't, the kernel at the top of the tree you mentioned is available (the amd64 one), but what i'm after is a kernel with smp support |
| 18:26.38 | malverian | PaSurf: This your drive? SCSI device sda: 938065920 512-byte hdwr sectors (480290 MB) |
| 18:26.44 | Muisje | got it malverian |
| 18:26.49 | PaSurf | malverian: The device I am trying to automount is the RaidKing RAID array |
| 18:27.01 | PaSurf | Maverian: That is the scsi external raid array |
| 18:27.07 | Muisje | malverian i just made a simple while. so it's safe with multiple parameters |
| 18:27.11 | Muisje | but thanks for helping anyway |
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| 18:27.26 | malverian | Muisje: Actually, now that I think about it... |
| 18:27.31 | malverian | Muisje: You should probably use getopt ;) |
| 18:27.45 | malverian | Muisje: If this is for a real program. |
| 18:27.54 | spez | eulex, but now that i'm looking at cpuinfo, it appears i'm good |
| 18:27.55 | malverian | Muisje: The example I gave is just for a hackish way. |
| 18:27.57 | Muisje | malverian :) my momma always teached me to never replace a working code |
| 18:27.58 | spez | eulex, thanks for the info |
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| 18:28.11 | Muisje | malverian, it's a auto setup for retards who can't read INSTALL |
| 18:28.21 | Muisje | an* |
| 18:28.35 | malverian | PaSurf: Right... is that one of the drives on the Raidking though? |
| 18:28.36 | Eulex | spez, oh. you could try kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp |
| 18:28.43 | Muisje | all it has do is |
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| 18:28.51 | Muisje | ask a few questions and then chmod some files and done. |
| 18:29.01 | koosd | hi, does anyone knows something about LDAP servers? :) |
| 18:29.08 | Muisje | and display a nice welcome screen of course |
| 18:29.08 | malverian | PaSurf: Looks like it is: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 |
| 18:29.11 | PaSurf | malverian: Well, there are 8 drives all in RAID 5 (controlled by the device) |
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| 18:29.41 | malverian | PaSurf: Never used raidking, I assume it's hardware raid and not some crappy onboard? |
| 18:29.53 | malverian | PaSurf: Gotcha. |
| 18:30.05 | Eulex | spez, or kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp |
| 18:30.06 | PaSurf | malverian: so when I do a df -h I only shows internal disks. Then when I mount, I show the external as well |
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| 18:30.06 | malverian | PaSurf: Okay, then I think sda is your drive. Have you tried mounting it? |
| 18:30.17 | malverian | PaSurf: Let me see fstab |
| 18:30.22 | d0uglas | can i get gtk-gnutella to stop reading meta data and stick to filenames so i don't get these stupid pdfs and 20KB exes? |
| 18:30.28 | d0uglas | not seeing it in the options |
| 18:30.30 | Orfeous | are there any channel for SNMP? need some help with starting a SNMP server |
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| 18:30.51 | rxKaffee | orafu: like sendmail? |
| 18:30.54 | rxKaffee | #sendmail? |
| 18:30.59 | PaSurf | malverian: http://pastebin.ca/251050 |
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| 18:33.41 | rgsteele | Orfeous: Try #networking |
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| 18:34.24 | PaSurf | malverian: I have also tried messing with the /etc/default/rcS changing FSCKFIX=yes to avoid system stalling at boot because of ext3 in <type> (fstab) |
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| 18:34.37 | PaSurf | malverian: this did not work |
| 18:35.16 | zskdan | how can i list modules attach to a device ?? |
| 18:35.45 | malverian | PaSurf: That's your /etc/fstab ? |
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| 18:36.45 | PaSurf | mavlerian: no, sorry, thats the results of fdisk -l, pasting fstab now.... |
| 18:37.06 | PaSurf | mavlerian: http://pastebin.ca/251055 |
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| 18:37.44 | dendrite | zskdan: modules don't really "attach" to a device... What device are you working with? |
| 18:37.49 | zskdan | plz i need someone's help i wanna list modules attach to my nic eth0 ?? |
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| 18:38.20 | dendrite | zskdan: What is your real question? |
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| 18:38.32 | zskdan | dendrite: i wanna list modules attached to eth0 !! |
| 18:38.36 | oOGneaOo | blah |
| 18:39.04 | dendrite | zskdan: As I said, modules don't really "attach" to devices. |
| 18:39.28 | dendrite | zskdan: lsmod shows loaded devices, if that's any help. |
| 18:39.39 | malverian | PaSurf: So to clarify.. when you boot the machine, /mnt/raidking is not mounted. |
| 18:39.45 | zskdan | dendrite : i installed a new kernel but it can recognized my eth0 |
| 18:39.45 | dendrite | zskdan: So you are doing a research project? Not trying to solve a problem? |
| 18:39.50 | oOGneaOo | dendrite: it does? |
| 18:39.58 | malverian | PaSurf: But if you do 'mount /mnt/raidking' manually after boot, it works fine. |
| 18:39.58 | PaSurf | malverian: right |
| 18:40.10 | dendrite | oOGneaOo: loaded modules, I meant. Good catch. |
| 18:40.18 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 18:40.26 | oOGneaOo | !beer dendrite |
| 18:40.35 | malverian | PaSurf: The raidking driver you have loading as a module or as a builtin? |
| 18:40.36 | PaSurf | malverian: yep, I basically can do either a mount -t (auto or ext3) /dev/sda1 /mnt/raidking and it will mount fine |
| 18:40.41 | dendrite | zskdan: What type of network card is it? |
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| 18:41.01 | malverian | PaSurf: What if you do 'mount -a' at boot? |
| 18:41.11 | zskdan | lspci show : 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) |
| 18:41.31 | malverian | PaSurf: I don't see anything wrong with your fstab. I mean, it wouldnt' hurt to change it to "ext3" instead of "auto" but it shouldn't be required. |
| 18:42.17 | rxKaffee | is there an apt- command that will find all files in a specific directory that do not belong to any registered packages? |
| 18:42.23 | malverian | umount /mnt/raidking |
| 18:42.26 | malverian | and then mount -a |
| 18:42.27 | cusco | dudes... Im using exim4 as my email server |
| 18:42.30 | PaSurf | malverian: Not sure about the raidking driver. I just plugged it in one day and rebooted, and everything for the device showed up in the messages |
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| 18:42.34 | cusco | what imap-server should I install to make squirrelmail work |
| 18:42.37 | zskdan | dendrite : lspci show : 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) |
| 18:42.39 | cusco | I mean.. a small or low processing imap server.... |
| 18:42.42 | cusco | and secure |
| 18:43.02 | dendrite | zskdan: OK, so the only question now is what module you need. What kernel did you install? And, where did you get it? |
| 18:43.03 | cusco | any advice? |
| 18:43.24 | datrus | how can i tell apt-get to install a package even if it's an older version than a package already unpacked but not configured |
| 18:43.40 | malverian | PaSurf: Show me lsmod output |
| 18:44.07 | malverian | PaSurf: And also try the mount -a thing I mentioned. |
| 18:44.24 | zskdan | dendrite: i just install the 2.6.18 , i build it from source to a deb package |
| 18:44.32 | malverian | PaSurf: To answer your question about putting dmesg into a file.. it's the same as any file redirection.. "dmesg > /path/to/somefile.txt" |
| 18:44.40 | cusco | zskdan: on dmesg, is there any reference from that nic? |
| 18:44.48 | PaSurf | malverian: http://pastebin.ca/251065 |
| 18:45.02 | dendrite | zskdan: If you use a debian packaged kernel, does it work? |
| 18:45.18 | PaSurf | malverian: when I do the mount -a it mounts fine |
| 18:45.35 | malverian | PaSurf: Okay, it's being loaded as a module.. |
| 18:46.14 | zskdan | dendrite: yes it work great , but my eth0 is shown as eth0_temp |
| 18:46.18 | malverian | PaSurf: Looks to me like for some reason there is a race condition where your local filesystems are being mounted before the scsi device has time to initialize entirely. |
| 18:46.20 | PaSurf | malverian: where are you seeing that in the lsmod? Just so I can understand |
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| 18:46.45 | dendrite | zskdan: And did you use the .config from the working kernel to build your new kernel? |
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| 18:47.24 | grendal_prime | how the hell do i use jigdo? |
| 18:47.41 | grendal_prime | i mean whats the best client for it? |
| 18:47.47 | PaSurf | malverian: would changing the <pass> option help in the fstab file? |
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| 18:48.07 | zskdan | dendrite: yes |
| 18:48.19 | PaSurf | or does that not have anything to do with the scsi device being initialized? |
| 18:48.43 | dendrite | zskdan: Try modprobe 8139too |
| 18:48.45 | PaSurf | mavlerian: I thought this would all be easy, just add to fstab and away we go... :) |
| 18:48.47 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 18:48.47 | dpkg | from memory, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 18:49.24 | malverian | PaSurf: Probably not.. "pass" is just used to determine fsck order. |
| 18:49.37 | malverian | PaSurf: You have it set to 0 which tells it not to be checked on reboot. |
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| 18:50.10 | PaSurf | malverian: for the sda1 its set to 2 thinking I would get checked and mounted at reboot |
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| 18:50.24 | zskdan | dendrite : but why my old kerenl recognized it and he new no ?? |
| 18:50.44 | dendrite | zskdan: Odds are you didn't build in a module it needs. |
| 18:50.46 | malverian | PaSurf: Ahh, you're right. I must have confused it with one of the internal ones. |
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| 18:53.29 | malverian | PaSurf: To answer your questiona bout the module, if you look at your dmesg you see that the name of your scsi controller is Fusion MPT. You can see in lsmod that there is a module called mptscsi |
| 18:53.56 | zskdan | dendrite :for building my new kernel : make-kpkg -initrd --revision=ck12 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
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| 18:57.24 | PaSurf | malverian: Ah, ok, learnin something new everyday... |
| 18:57.55 | malverian | PaSurf: You have a couple options.. |
| 18:58.00 | PaSurf | malverian: also would changing the order of the fstab help? |
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| 18:58.10 | PaSurf | malverian: k |
| 18:58.14 | malverian | PaSurf: You can in your fstab set that device to "noauto" and create a custom init script that will execute AFTER it has finished initializing. |
| 18:58.29 | malverian | PaSurf: You can build the module into the kernel so that it will finish initializing sooner. |
| 18:59.10 | zskdan | dendrite: 8139too is for realtek no for my Accton |
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| 19:01.59 | abrotman | in /etc/passwd .. vipw |
| 19:02.06 | grendal_prime | and this inspiron 6000 does not have a sata drive in it |
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| 19:03.57 | Eulex | they all do |
| 19:04.02 | grendal_prime | this one dows not |
| 19:04.07 | grendal_prime | does not |
| 19:04.13 | grendal_prime | ultra ata |
| 19:04.23 | PaSurf | malverian: ok... Is there a resource you can point me to on building modules into kernals? That seems interesting and pretty usefull for future builds... |
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| 19:04.34 | deema_ | anybody here use Prism54 islsm? |
| 19:04.55 | malverian | PaSurf: If you google for "linux howto compile kernel" I'm sure you'll find something :) |
| 19:05.02 | Eulex | grendal_prime, how are you so sure? what does lspci print? |
| 19:05.02 | malverian | PaSurf: Or "gentoo compile kernel" |
| 19:05.12 | PaSurf | malverian: I also wanna thank you for helping me with this issue. I still would have been messing with it :) |
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| 19:05.17 | plee | PaSurf, instead of choosing m when you select somthing to support og choose * instead |
| 19:05.19 | malverian | PaSurf: It's not for the faint of heart. |
| 19:05.24 | fowlduck | abrotman, thanks, worked :) |
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| 19:05.41 | malverian | PaSurf: Gah.. not gentoo... "debian compile kernel" |
| 19:05.44 | plee | og = and.. |
| 19:05.54 | malverian | PaSurf: Sorry, I'm a recovering Gentoo user ;) |
| 19:06.06 | grendal_prime | it has a windows partion on it..i booted xp and looked in the hardware |
| 19:06.08 | PaSurf | malverian: NP |
| 19:06.33 | grendal_prime | not to mention the owner is standing here...says he remebers them saying.."its not a sata drive" |
| 19:06.52 | grendal_prime | so...i mean...sorry but ummm its not a sata drive. |
| 19:07.02 | Xenguy | Hi - if I add a UID to /etc/group, but want to activate that change without logging out/in again, is there a command to re-initialize /etc/group ? |
| 19:07.06 | malverian | PaSurf: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 19:07.10 | Eulex | grendal_prime, could you post the output of lspci somewhere? |
| 19:07.26 | PaSurf | malverian: sweet, thanks again!! |
| 19:07.37 | grendal_prime | i cant do anything with that box and a network unetll i get the network card working |
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| 19:08.09 | grendal_prime | whic, i need to put the 2.6 kernel on it to get that working, rigt now im downloading the first disk of etch, hoping i can upgrade the kernel with that |
| 19:08.17 | PaSurf | plee: not sure what your talking about ?? |
| 19:08.31 | deema_ | anybody here use Prism54 islsm? |
| 19:08.43 | plee | PaSurf, kernel compile? |
| 19:08.45 | cureless | Xenguy: try newgrp |
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| 19:08.56 | Xenguy | cureless: thanks a lot |
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| 19:09.06 | cahoot | Xenguy, su - user |
| 19:09.11 | PaSurf | plee: ok, I never compiled so not familiar... will make a note of that.. Thanks! |
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| 19:09.20 | Xenguy | cahoot: tx |
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| 19:10.00 | plee | PaSurf, :) |
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| 19:11.37 | _3uG_ | how do i get a list of bots? (if that's possible..) |
| 19:12.04 | rgsteele | Anybody have some experience in creating non-kernel .debs? I'm not quite sure what to put in the debian/dirs file. Do I just need to put the directories that the binaries/files are going to get placed in, or the full path to each and every file/binary? |
| 19:12.28 | cureless | rgsteele: I assume you've read through the documentation, yes? |
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| 19:13.03 | JordiGH | In a source package, how can I apply .diff.gz to .orig.tar.gz? I messed around with the source, and I want to revert to the maintainer's version. |
| 19:13.40 | JordiGH | I thought it would be a simple application of patch, but I realised that I don't know how to use patch with a complex tree structure. :-/ |
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| 19:13.43 | rgsteele | JordiGH: I'm pretty sure there's a "patch" command |
| 19:13.52 | rgsteele | AH, that I'm not sure of |
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| 19:14.09 | cureless | JordiGH: you mean recursive? |
| 19:14.16 | rgsteele | cureless: I've been reading some docs on debian.org, but if you can point me to any verbiage documenting it, I'd be more than obliged |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | !ng |
| 19:14.38 | dpkg | i heard ng is no good |
| 19:14.40 | abrotman | !mg |
| 19:14.40 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 19:14.50 | JordiGH | cureless: I mean that .diff.gz mentions changes in a bunch of different files and even creates some files that are not in .orig.tar.gz |
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| 19:15.04 | JordiGH | abrotman: I've been looking through that. I can't find anything about applying patches. :-/ |
| 19:15.06 | cureless | rgsteele: new maintainers, _After_ you've read that, let me stress that again, _after_ you've read that, go ask questions on the dev channel |
| 19:15.13 | jelly-home | rgsteele: man dh_installdirs ? |
| 19:15.15 | abrotman | JordiGH: that was for rgsteele .. not you |
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| 19:15.33 | _3uG_ | does anyone know how to get a gameport sidewinder to work? it used to work automatically for me, but it stopped after a fresh install/update (odd..)? |
| 19:15.35 | cureless | JordiGH: I still don't see the problem. just apply the diff. |
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| 19:16.01 | mandingo | when dpkg is installing a .deb, where is the package extracted to? |
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| 19:16.12 | cureless | mandingo: why? |
| 19:16.25 | JordiGH | cureless: What's the command to "just apply the diff"? patch bla.diff bla.orig/ will complain about bla-orig/ being a directory. |
| 19:16.26 | XrMb2 | i installed proftpd, using etch. but there doesn't seem mod_quota to be available, any ideas? |
| 19:16.28 | mandingo | cureless: because I need to resolve an error |
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| 19:16.49 | jelly-home | rgsteele: that is - only dirs go in "dirs". for a simple package of mine that is mostly postinst and some templates, i only have "/usr/share/packagename" in dirs |
| 19:16.49 | JordiGH | mandingo: dpkg -L packagename will tell you what and where it installed. |
| 19:16.54 | cureless | mandingo: you can unpack the deb yourself to any directory you want, you don't need to mess with what dpkg is doing |
| 19:17.03 | rgsteele | cureless: Thanks. I'm debating whether or not to try and create a .deb for DRBD version 0.7.22 for Sarge, or to just try and backport the 0.7.21 from Etch |
| 19:17.11 | rgsteele | jelly-home: Dually noted. |
| 19:17.30 | _zfr_ | Hi, which one is the best for desktop use? stable testing unstable ? |
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| 19:17.41 | aubergine | hi |
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| 19:17.49 | cureless | JordiGH: have you read the manpage for patch? |
| 19:17.53 | myren | what can i use to create a network swap file? |
| 19:17.57 | JordiGH | cureless: I have. |
| 19:17.58 | aubergine | how is that line correct: USER=($whoami) ? |
| 19:18.00 | myren | nfs doesnt seem to work |
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| 19:18.02 | _zfr_ | I want an stable system with new kde and so |
| 19:18.10 | cureless | JordiGH: in that case you know that the diff is not-an-argument to patch |
| 19:18.11 | JordiGH | cureless: Want to point me to a particular section of the manpage? |
| 19:18.12 | rgsteele | JordiGH: Not punning. I have to get this running on a cluster that's using Sarge |
| 19:18.28 | JordiGH | rgsteele: I meant dually/duly. |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | _zfr_: that depends on you |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 19:18.33 | dpkg | methinks backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 19:18.37 | rgsteele | JordiGH: Oh :) |
| 19:18.50 | rgsteele | abrotman: The version I need isn't there |
| 19:19.01 | rgsteele | The versions prior to 0.7.21 have a nasty bug in them |
| 19:19.11 | _zfr_ | abrotman: i want an stable system with new apps maybe not the newest, and which one is more stable? testing or unstable |
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| 19:19.26 | rgsteele | bp.org is only up to 0.7.16... and dotdeb.org doesn't have it at all. |
| 19:19.33 | jelly-home | rgsteele: I usually take latest upstream source, then try and apply debian's diff.gz, fix things up and voila, fresh backport. |
| 19:19.35 | cureless | _zfr_: you don't want unstable |
| 19:19.39 | TheUni7 | hi |
| 19:19.42 | aubergine | how is that line correct: USER=($whoami) ? |
| 19:19.51 | TheUni7 | fun |
| 19:19.52 | _zfr_ | cureless: so it is testing or stable ? |
| 19:19.58 | _3uG_ | yo uneed to do $(whoami) |
| 19:20.02 | rgsteele | jelly-home: I'm unfamiliar with that process... any documentation on it? |
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| 19:20.31 | amphi | aubergine: $USER is already a shell env var |
| 19:20.33 | cureless | _zfr_: I would almost recommend testing, depends on how adverturous you are. And if you do go testing, don't use "testing" use "etch" |
| 19:20.37 | Beighto | Looking for opinions on what cluster software to use for setting up a Xen cluster (Debian being the dom0 and domUs). There will be 3 computers and NAS. |
| 19:20.46 | cureless | JordiGH: so, did you figure it out? |
| 19:20.51 | JordiGH | cureless: What do you mean? patch [options] [originalfile [patchfile]]. Isn't the .diff the patchfile? |
| 19:20.53 | amphi | aubergine: USER=$(whoami) is probably what you want |
| 19:20.57 | jelly-home | rgsteele: no... did you read /msg dpkg simple sid backport ? |
| 19:21.20 | rgsteele | jelly-home: No, but I will now that you've mentioned it :) |
| 19:21.22 | cureless | JordiGH: look at the next line: "usually...." |
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| 19:21.30 | _zfr_ | hmm |
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| 19:21.50 | cureless | JordiGH: and even if you were to use that, you had the arguments mixed up |
| 19:22.02 | aubergine | amphi thx |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | _zfr_: as etch is due to be released .. sometime before 2010 .. might as well go with that .. don't forget to file bugs if you find any |
| 19:22.48 | Eulex | grendal_prime, is that the wireless or the wired networking that you're trying to get to work? I think the wired nic did work in 2.4, and I think the 6000's all had the same broadcom wired nic. |
| 19:22.52 | abrotman | rgsteele: that wasn't for you |
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| 19:23.00 | cureless | JordiGH: btw, I would highly insist that you use --dry-run the first time (s) until you get no errors, then remove it. |
| 19:23.24 | rgsteele | abrotman: Eh? <jelly-home>rgsteele: no... did you read /msg dpkg simple sid backport ? |
| 19:23.34 | abrotman | rgsteele: still wasn't for you :) |
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| 19:23.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: ? |
| 19:24.19 | jelly-home | that's a distinct possibility |
| 19:24.19 | mandingo | I guess I should rephrase my question, where is the configure script for a package extracted to? where are the instructions on what to do with the files? |
| 19:24.26 | _zfr_ | abrotman: hmm i think i will use sarge, but what is more stable, testing or unstable, i heard stable got old apps |
| 19:24.33 | cureless | there is no such thing as "too early" happy hour |
| 19:24.52 | abrotman | _zfr_: don't use unstable |
| 19:24.58 | _zfr_ | abrotman: why |
| 19:25.37 | abrotman | _zfr_: honestly .. i'd realyl go with etch if i were you |
| 19:25.37 | rgsteele | _zfr_: True, Sarge (aka stable), has slightly outdated packages, but there's always backports.org |
| 19:25.37 | aubergine | When i connect to a ssh server via "ssh safed-server" the shell is opend because i have saved the config in $HOME/.ssh/config. But how can i send a command to execute? Example like "ssh saved-server exec start.sh" |
| 19:25.37 | rgsteele | But, Etch is set to be released in the not-too-distant-future |
| 19:25.37 | abrotman | _zfr_: unstable/sid is not for people who rely on a stable desktop |
| 19:25.37 | mandingo | testing works (and has for years) fairly flawlessy for me |
| 19:25.38 | JordiGH | cureless: I wish you could just have told me the command... it's not as if I need to know intricately how to use patch for this case. :-/ |
| 19:25.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, im getting "error while getting interface flags and SIOCSIF errors on my e1000 network card? I searched google and it says that they have to be scanned in the right order so now my two nics are eth1 and eth2 instead of eth0 eth1. Can someone help? |
| 19:25.56 | cureless | JordiGH: well, now you know how to do it for next time |
| 19:25.59 | _zfr_ | hmm i go for testing, sarge have good docs on the net |
| 19:26.01 | mandingo | evilbulgarian: have you set the mac addresses in an iftab? |
| 19:26.20 | evilbulgarian | mandingo: where is iftab |
| 19:26.30 | mandingo | /etc/iftab |
| 19:26.40 | cureless | _zfr_: not to be anal about this, but if you use testing, use it as etch |
| 19:26.45 | evilbulgarian | mandingo: so what needs to bethere? the macs of both cards? |
| 19:27.01 | mandingo | evilbulgarian: eth0 mac <MAC ADDRESS> |
| 19:27.08 | mandingo | and eth1 mac <MAC ADDRESS> |
| 19:27.14 | _zfr_ | hmm |
| 19:27.15 | mandingo | separate lines |
| 19:27.17 | evilbulgarian | mandingo: so if it doesnt exist i create it ? |
| 19:27.24 | mandingo | yup |
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| 19:27.34 | evilbulgarian | mandingo: ok gonna go give it a try thanks! |
| 19:27.42 | mandingo | sure! |
| 19:27.45 | Zap-W | what is devmapper |
| 19:29.41 | myren | what can i use for a network swap file? |
| 19:29.44 | myren | HELP |
| 19:29.56 | myren | 32mb ram <<<< required for my mpd playlists |
| 19:30.36 | h3sp4wn | nbd (network block device) |
| 19:30.39 | blondie | myren: a what? |
| 19:30.52 | mandingo | just for posterity, the files I was looking for are here: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 19:33.43 | _zfr_ | to install testing (etch) just install debian sarge with the testing sources, rite ? |
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| 19:34.18 | JordiGH | _zfr_: Uh. Are you using a netinstall or a full sarge cd? |
| 19:34.47 | rgsteele | So, I'm pretty darn sure I don't want to do this, as dpkg suggests for the simple sid backport: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 19:35.07 | rgsteele | That's gonna grab a whole ton of stuff from from sid and install it on the box |
| 19:35.14 | _zfr_ | JordiGH: netinstall |
| 19:36.23 | evilbulgarian | mandingo: no go same problem it offsets them by 1 i had in iftab > eth0 mac 00:12:23... |
| 19:36.24 | rgsteele | Or, am I incorrect? |
| 19:36.29 | JordiGH | _zfr_: Then yes. |
| 19:37.02 | _zfr_ | JordiGH: im new to the sources, i dont know the testing etch sources,w here can i find it or how 0_o? |
| 19:37.20 | Zap-W | do LVM tools use dmsetup? |
| 19:37.30 | Zap-W | do LVM tools use dmsetup for resizing and creating volumes? |
| 19:37.37 | JordiGH | _zfr_: Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list to say "testing" or "etch" instead of "sarge" or "stable". |
| 19:37.45 | rgsteele | abrotman, jelly-home, cureless? |
| 19:37.46 | JordiGH | _zfr_: And get a mirror from |
| 19:37.47 | JordiGH | !mirrors |
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| 19:37.47 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 19:38.08 | _zfr_ | !mirros |
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| 19:38.19 | _zfr_ | oops |
| 19:38.23 | _zfr_ | thank you |
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| 19:38.47 | _zfr_ | !mirrors |
| 19:38.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 19:40.16 | abrotman | rgsteele? |
| 19:40.29 | abrotman | rgsteele: yes .. it will |
| 19:40.31 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 19:40.34 | abrotman | rgsteele: wtf are you trying to install ? |
| 19:40.49 | Seb | what';s the most convenient way to copy a directory structure over another ? |
| 19:40.50 | JordiGH | !greet yassine |
| 19:40.50 | dpkg | Nihao, yassine |
| 19:40.53 | rgsteele | I'm trying to backport a package from Etch to Sarge |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman | rsync ? |
| 19:40.59 | JordiGH | Seb: rsync or unison. |
| 19:40.59 | abrotman | which package?! |
| 19:41.01 | JordiGH | !info unison |
| 19:41.01 | rgsteele | That isn't on bp.org or dotdeb.org |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | unison: (A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows), section net, is optional. Version: 2.13.16-5 (sid), Packaged size: 466 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
| 19:41.16 | Seb | abrotman, JordiGH: oh, true, rsync will do that. Thanks a lot... |
| 19:41.25 | rgsteele | drbd0.7-module-source, drbd0.7-utils |
| 19:41.28 | Seb | JordiGH: i only need one-way syncing so i think rsync will fit the bill nicely |
| 19:41.30 | yassine | i just made a dist-upgrade and all most everything works fine but the last messages i recieved was this error messages : http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZCE7di66.html does this seems to be a critical problem ? |
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| 19:42.16 | rgsteele | abrotman: Why does the package matter? It's the process that I'm trying to nail down |
| 19:42.43 | JordiGH | Er... I guess I need to read more... |
| 19:42.44 | JordiGH | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
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| 19:42.47 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.49 | luca | hello all |
| 19:43.00 | JordiGH | permission denied? Even when I tried to run that as root? |
| 19:43.32 | _zfr_ | i just found etch testing netinstall iso, that better to use or just the stable netinstall iso |
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| 19:43.59 | JordiGH | _zfr_: use etch. |
| 19:44.02 | cureless | _zfr_: yes |
| 19:44.11 | _zfr_ | ok |
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| 19:45.08 | yassine | does this looks like a critical problem : W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://... org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian-amd64_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:45.17 | evilbulgarian | hi, im getting "error while getting interface flags" and SIOCSIF errors on my e1000 network cards? I searched google and it says that they have to be scanned in the right order so now my two nics are eth1 and eth2 instead of eth0 eth1. Can someone help? |
| 19:45.38 | JordiGH | yassine: Sounds like you gave apt the wrong url. |
| 19:46.07 | yassine | JordiGH, is this one wrong : ftp://ftp.de.debian.org |
| 19:46.34 | luca | i have 3 partitions: on one i have /, on another i have /home and on the third one i have nothing. Since i am out of space on the first partition, what could i do to free some space? |
| 19:46.35 | yassine | JordiGH, it was able to download everything else only those packages are missing or somthing went wrong |
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| 19:47.37 | JordiGH | yassine: durr... never mind. I can't load debian.org to poke around. But it looks like you're missing all of the amd64 packages. I'm not sure where they are. |
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| 19:48.39 | abrotman | rgsteele: okay .. fine .. don't answer |
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| 19:49.01 | rgsteele | abrotman: I did answer |
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| 19:49.25 | rgsteele | abrotman: I just forgot to put your name in the line so you'd get highlighted ;) drbd0.7-module-source, drbd0.7-utils |
| 19:49.38 | abrotman | wtf is drbd ? |
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| 19:49.58 | jeward | If I am using my debian box as a display for remote X applications and/or VNC, how hard is it to get sound for those apps? |
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| 19:50.09 | abrotman | rgsteele: are you serious? |
| 19:50.20 | rgsteele | Yup |
| 19:50.38 | abrotman | can't you use afs like everyone else? :) |
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| 19:50.52 | afaik | usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | so get it |
| 19:51.05 | afaik | any idea what this means? |
| 19:51.09 | afaik | what is -lXtst? |
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| 19:51.25 | Eulex | libxtst |
| 19:51.45 | afaik | cthanks |
| 19:51.47 | Eulex | yw |
| 19:51.50 | afaik | the dash didnt make it apparent |
| 19:52.09 | JordiGH | With a capital X? That violates policy. :-) |
| 19:52.11 | rgsteele | abrotman: I talked to a lot of people about the subject, and most recommended drbd. That, and my boss wants to use it too and convincing him to use afs would get me an anti-riot speech |
| 19:52.16 | Eulex | -lfoo means to link with library foo |
| 19:52.31 | yassine | JordiGH, any idea how to workaroud the issue ? |
| 19:52.31 | afaik | libxtst6 ? |
| 19:52.45 | Eulex | yes |
| 19:52.47 | jelly-home | rgsteele: so don't install build-depends then, download the source, take a look at debian/control and install the versions that _are_ available in sarge |
| 19:52.52 | JordiGH | yassine: I don't really understand what apt isn't finding. |
| 19:52.54 | Eulex | you'll need the corresponding -dev package too, though |
| 19:52.56 | afaik | ah |
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| 19:53.22 | rgsteele | jelly-home: The version that is available in Sarge has a bug in it that causes me a huge headache |
| 19:53.32 | JordiGH | Why is dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot giving me "permission denied" replies? Isn't fakeroot precisely to avoid that? |
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| 19:53.46 | rgsteele | And the version on bp.org isn't bereft of the bug either |
| 19:54.21 | jelly-home | rgsteele: sorry... install the versions of build-depend packages that are available in sarge. then try building your source |
| 19:54.44 | rgsteele | Ah, okay |
| 19:54.55 | Eulex | JordiGH, no, the actual file you link against is named libXtst.a. |
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| 19:55.23 | rgsteele | Nice, that worked |
| 19:55.26 | jelly-home | rgsteele: like: apt-get source foo; less foo-1.2.3/debian/control; apt-get install some-dev some-other-dev; cd foo-1.2.3; dpkg-buildpackage [ -rfakeroot ] -b -uc -us |
| 19:55.30 | cureless | yassine: what is your problem? |
| 19:55.49 | yassine | cureless, W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://... org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian-amd64_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:56.13 | JordiGH | Eulex: Uh? .a aren't object files. |
| 19:56.17 | cureless | yassine: try a different mirror, |
| 19:56.20 | cureless | JordiGH: no |
| 19:56.32 | jelly-home | rgsteele: you'll have to edit debian/control before dpkg-buildpackage, or else it'll complain of Build-Depends not being satisfied |
| 19:56.46 | JordiGH | .a is a list of the object files in the corresponding .so* file. |
| 19:56.55 | cureless | libXXXX.a is not an object file, it's an archive |
| 19:56.55 | rgsteele | jelly-home: Well, I actually just did this... put a deb-src line in sources.list for Etch, apt-get update, apt-get build-dep package, apt-get -b source package |
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| 19:57.15 | yassine | cureless, what puzzels me is the fact that apt was able to make allmost the whole dist-upgrade only this seems to do not exist |
| 19:57.26 | jelly-home | rgsteele: apt-get -b source package didn't work, right? |
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| 19:57.34 | rgsteele | No, it did... |
| 19:57.38 | cureless | yassine: you mean, "make... the whole dist-upgrade" you mean download. |
| 19:57.46 | afaik | hah |
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| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | rgsteele: so what are you complaining about? :-) |
| 19:57.57 | afaik | whenever I did dist-upgrades it broke my whole system |
| 19:57.58 | yassine | cureless, confirmative |
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| 19:58.01 | Eulex | JordiGH, man gcc, -llibrary: The linker searches a standard list of directories for the library, which is actually a file named liblibrary.a. |
| 19:58.02 | afaik | I'll never do it again |
| 19:58.14 | cureless | yassine: that means your mirror is not fully up-to-date or consistent, just try again |
| 19:58.18 | rgsteele | jelly-home: I didn't think it was that easy |
| 19:58.19 | rgsteele | I dunno |
| 19:58.21 | rgsteele | :) |
| 19:58.26 | jelly-home | rgsteele: err.. sorry, I missed the "Nice, that worked" line |
| 19:58.31 | afaik | the 2 times I did, both times it completely wiped out my configurations and made linux to the point that it couldnt boot without kernel panics |
| 19:58.36 | JordiGH | Eulex: Yeah, but it uses that to link to object files. |
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| 19:59.09 | cureless | JordiGH: a .a file is an archive of objects that are used (linked-in) to create the program. |
| 19:59.10 | Eulex | JordiGH, indeed |
| 19:59.11 | rgsteele | jelly-home, cureless, abrotman, JordiGH: Thanks for the advice and the RTFM's |
| 19:59.12 | JordiGH | Eulex: Er, yeah, .a is a bunch of boject files. |
| 19:59.19 | JordiGH | Anyways... |
| 19:59.22 | JordiGH | Back to my current problem. |
| 19:59.24 | yassine | cureless, should it try the apt-get dist-upgrade or only for an apt-get update ? |
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| 19:59.44 | Heavens_Enzuru | >:D |
| 19:59.50 | cureless | yassine: you can do both, but dist-upgrade should (eventually) fix it. It depends on the mirror update and/or dns rotation |
| 19:59.52 | dhuv | hello all, I was wondering if anybody has experience with dnsmasq, I have dnsmsaq working as the dns caching server and dhcp server, what I would like to add is the ability to update dns records based on the dhcp leases |
| 19:59.53 | JordiGH | dpkg-buildpackage giving me permission denied. Why? |
| 20:00.11 | cureless | JordiGH: what is it giving you permission denied on? |
| 20:00.50 | JordiGH | dh_movefiles --sourcedir=debian/$(libpack) -p$(binpack) -p$(devpack) |
| 20:00.53 | JordiGH | From debian/rules |
| 20:01.20 | JordiGH | Called from the clean: target |
| 20:01.29 | JordiGH | (I think) |
| 20:01.31 | afaik | Super Model Driven Design |
| 20:02.29 | cureless | gotta go, have a meeting, later all |
| 20:03.13 | JordiGH | cureless: I'm trying to something rather simple, I think. GSL needs to be compiled with -fexceptions. I thought that all I had to do was to add this to CFLAGS in debian/rules. Once I do that, how do I build the dot-debs? |
| 20:03.30 | JordiGH | Er.. bye. |
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| 20:07.56 | qwertz | Hi, I know that there is a better way to insert init scripts into the rc.X dirs than ln -s but I can't remember it - any help? |
| 20:08.46 | amphi | qwertz: update-rc.d ? |
| 20:10.02 | qwertz | amphi, thanks thats it! |
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| 20:11.27 | Zap-W | what's the difference between using dmsetup and LVM tools to create stripped and linear block devices |
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| 20:25.30 | pumpkin0 | what fonts do i need for the mozilla flashplugin ? it seems i already have gsfonts |
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| 20:29.46 | JordiGH | fonts? |
| 20:29.51 | JordiGH | flash doesn't use fonts, does it? |
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| 20:29.59 | JordiGH | It's just images. |
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| 20:30.00 | JordiGH | Right? |
| 20:30.11 | pumpkin0 | JordiGH: nope, it´s fonts and images. |
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| 20:30.57 | JordiGH | Sorry, mate. No idea. I've never been quite able to figure out fonts. I personally install random fonts until everything looks good. :-) |
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| 20:36.24 | Lorvija | hey, i just installed bittorrent but what's the command to run the program/download a torrent... |
| 20:36.48 | myren | what can i use for a network swap file? |
| 20:36.51 | myren | nfs doesnt work |
| 20:37.43 | zinx | Lorvija: btdownloadgui /path/to/torrent |
| 20:37.57 | amphi | myren: I'm not sure that could work at all |
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| 20:38.09 | plugwash | when a package is installed does it put the packages changelog anywhere on my system? |
| 20:38.11 | plugwash | and if so where? |
| 20:38.14 | myren | amphi: its definately possible to do, probably just not with nfs |
| 20:38.37 | amphi | myren: sshfs? ;) |
| 20:38.45 | Lorvija | zinx doesnt work? (: no such command |
| 20:38.47 | amphi | for extra speed |
| 20:38.58 | myren | only if i get crypto accelerator working on my wireless router |
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| 20:39.34 | plugwash | i belive ssh has a compile option to enable the "none" cypher |
| 20:40.08 | amphi | plugwash: really? I wasn't aware |
| 20:40.45 | solars | isn't this valid deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free I get 404's |
| 20:41.11 | asg | solars: non-us isn't used anymore |
| 20:41.18 | asg | solars: woody was the last release that used it |
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| 20:41.25 | solars | oh |
| 20:41.33 | solars | so just one line left ? |
| 20:41.49 | asg | solars: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list and /msg dpkg mirrors. |
| 20:41.55 | solars | thanks |
| 20:42.04 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 20:45.47 | pumpkin0 | where do i set global (for all users, no matter how they login) variables ? |
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| 20:46.09 | asg | pumpkin0: man bash ; /INVOCATION |
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| 20:46.30 | pumpkin0 | asg: even if the user is not using bash ? |
| 20:46.48 | JordiGH | My sysadmin is playing a cruel trick on me. I've been downloading at 1337 B/s for about two minutes with zero variation on download speed. |
| 20:46.50 | asg | pumpkin0: man <their shell> ; /INVOCATION |
| 20:47.15 | asg | JordiGH: either that or upstream is |
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| 20:48.03 | JordiGH | Oh, there is variation. Looks like I'm just lucky when I check the number. |
| 20:48.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:48.54 | JordiGH | tarzeau ? |
| 20:49.01 | tarzeau | JordiGH: wrong channel |
| 20:49.02 | asg | he does that from time to time |
| 20:49.43 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Uh, which channel did you intend that for? |
| 20:49.47 | tarzeau | JordiGH: #debian |
| 20:49.53 | JordiGH | Right. |
| 20:49.54 | tarzeau | wrong irc server |
| 20:49.57 | JordiGH | In OFTC |
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| 20:51.07 | Karamon | Hello, I would like to run apt-get install <pkgs> but exclude some of the things that it thinks it depends on.. how can I do this? Or do I have to use dpkg? |
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| 20:51.25 | tarzeau | Karamon: you can not |
| 20:51.31 | tarzeau | Karamon: unless you fiddle with the dependencies |
| 20:51.39 | tarzeau | Karamon: which package and which things? |
| 20:51.40 | JordiGH | Karamon: You can't do that. What's your beef with apt's opinions? |
| 20:51.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's not apt's opinions but the maintainers of the package |
| 20:51.56 | dendrite | Karamon: You can tell your system that dependencies are satisfied, or you can force. Forcing is an very bad idea. |
| 20:51.58 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and they are fucked up sometimtes |
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| 20:52.24 | JordiGH | tarzeau: WE ARE ALL APT! |
| 20:52.26 | Karamon | tarzeau, JordiGH: A package (cgi-mapserver mapserver-bin mapserver-doc) wants to install defoma or some font packages, and then wants to install x11 which is unnecessary. |
| 20:52.29 | tarzeau | JordiGH: moo |
| 20:52.37 | pumpkin0 | OK, so how do i set enviroment variable that even gnome respects ? (/etc/profile and ~/.bashrc are ignored). |
| 20:52.48 | loke- | how do i turn off the "beep" sound that comes from the computer? not from the normal speakers |
| 20:52.52 | tarzeau | Karamon: x11 what? server? client? both? |
| 20:53.08 | asg | dendrite: dpkg --force-help |
| 20:53.08 | dendrite | Karamon: X11 libs, or full boat? |
| 20:53.12 | tarzeau | loke-: x or console? |
| 20:53.15 | dendrite | asg: NO, not that. |
| 20:53.24 | Karamon | tarzeau: x11-common |
| 20:53.32 | dendrite | asg: Not force, there is a way to build a metapackage that provides ... |
| 20:53.33 | deadcat | loke-: x use xset b off, console use setterm -blength 0 |
| 20:53.38 | asg | dendrite: equivs |
| 20:53.42 | Karamon | tarzeau: I just don't need the x server on this server for any reason |
| 20:53.42 | loke- | tarzeau, console.. that ugly loud noise from the internal computer |
| 20:53.44 | dendrite | asg: yeah, that's it. |
| 20:53.45 | loke- | ohh k |
| 20:53.51 | dendrite | I can never remember that... |
| 20:53.58 | tarzeau | loke-: unplug the cable or cut it with a scissor |
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| 20:54.19 | Karamon | dendrite: see above :) |
| 20:54.19 | deadcat | tarzeau: maybe he has a laptop |
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| 20:54.30 | tarzeau | deadcat: maybe |
| 20:54.34 | dendrite | Karamon: Look into equivs? |
| 20:54.50 | Karamon | dendrite: equivs? I don't understand |
| 20:55.00 | asg | Karamon: apt-cache show equivs |
| 20:55.11 | od | hi, my kde controlcenter shows me no options, neither as root nor as user. i just installed a debian testing |
| 20:55.12 | u221e | Anyone try installing debian on the PS3 yet? |
| 20:55.17 | deadcat | i am putting oscommerce on my "hated software" list |
| 20:55.28 | dendrite | od: #debian-kde, look at the /topic there. |
| 20:55.30 | deadcat | u221e: let us know how it goes |
| 20:55.37 | deadcat | u221e: actually we dont care |
| 20:55.40 | u221e | I would if I had one. |
| 20:55.51 | blondie | Hello! |
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| 20:56.22 | Karamon | dendrite: So it is a program that generates false fufillment of a package? |
| 20:56.33 | dendrite | Karamon: That's my understanding. |
| 20:56.35 | pumpkin0 | u221e: well... get one. Anyway: the interessting part (GPU) is blocked, so no fun for now. |
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| 20:57.31 | streuner | !moo |
| 20:57.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:57.44 | JordiGH | What's the diff command that dpkg uses to create its .diff.gz in source packages? |
| 20:57.44 | cahoot | pumpkin0, tried .xsession for env variables? |
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| 20:57.48 | solars | asg, hm is deb ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free really enough in my apt-sources list? I can't find gpdf for example |
| 20:57.51 | _zfr_ | i just installed with apt xserver-xorg and kde, but it wont start, i get errors something with fonts in Xorg.0.log, do i need to install fonts ? |
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| 20:58.19 | streuner | solars: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:58.22 | asg | solars: yes |
| 20:58.28 | asg | solars: remove 'non-free' from the end though |
| 20:59.19 | solars | okay |
| 20:59.23 | solars | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:59.35 | ArkoldThos | _zfr_, try apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 20:59.49 | streuner | solars: that's NOT meat nor fish :-) |
| 20:59.55 | tarzeau | can someone convert this to MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kBits, 32 kHz, Stereo |
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| 21:00.08 | asg | streuner: s/NOT/NEITHER/ |
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| 21:00.10 | tarzeau | to say MP3 without ADTS? |
| 21:00.22 | solars | streuner, heh how do you mean ? thats the reason I want to fix my packages :) |
| 21:00.22 | streuner | asg: thank you :-) |
| 21:00.38 | streuner | solars: show us your sources.list in paster bot :-) |
| 21:00.54 | solars | only the above line at the moment, uncommented |
| 21:01.12 | asg | solars: after fixing your sources, don't forget to run 'apt-get update' |
| 21:01.18 | solars | apt-get upgrade would have a lot of work to do though .. :) |
| 21:01.31 | streuner | !tell solars about sid faq |
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| 21:02.16 | streuner | asg: how's life on the east coast? ;-) |
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| 21:02.34 | itchi | Im looking for an ascii <-> hex (whatever) converter. Is there somethings in the cli? |
| 21:02.37 | solars | streuner, what exactly do you want me to read or notice? :) |
| 21:02.44 | craigevil | apt-get upgrade really isnt a good idea in Sid apt-get dist-upgrade is usually a better idea |
| 21:02.53 | streuner | solars: the whole fucking FAQ :-) |
| 21:03.09 | dendrite | itchi: A perl one-liner could do that... |
| 21:03.12 | Karamon | !tell Karamon about sid faq |
| 21:03.17 | solars | I actually meant dist-upgrade, cause I switched from stable |
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| 21:03.29 | itchi | dendrite: Yeah, was go to do that in Python; if i not find it back :-) |
| 21:03.30 | Cooner750 | How do I connect to an NFS share on another Debian machine on the network? |
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| 21:04.06 | itchi | dendrite: Just that i had used an already existing one, can not come back on the name of it |
| 21:04.07 | asg | streuner: busy and my 'B' key is wonky. Otherwise, pretty good. You? |
| 21:04.09 | Cooner750 | NFS does not show up in Places > Connect to Server... |
| 21:04.21 | dendrite | itchi: Well, *maybe* tr could pull it off... |
| 21:04.28 | dendrite | Not sure about that. |
| 21:04.42 | abrotman | rgsteele: apt-get.org .. search for drbd |
| 21:04.47 | itchi | dendrite: That's not the right tool for that job i think |
| 21:04.52 | streuner_ | asg: what's 'B' key? |
| 21:04.56 | dendrite | itchi: I don't think so either. |
| 21:04.58 | itchi | There was an tool... :-/ |
| 21:05.03 | asg | streuner_: on my laptop keypad. |
| 21:05.51 | itchi | dendrite: It's just for an stupid thing, gona use Python :-) Maybe it will be are faster to write it again down |
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| 21:06.57 | eMish | i installed debian 3.1 and got very aincent software: 2.4 kernel, some old kde. For the latest sw and OS, which debian do I need to install ? |
| 21:07.08 | Cooner750 | Or should I just give up and use SMB? |
| 21:07.30 | streuner_ | !tell eMish about backports |
| 21:07.32 | tarzeau | eMish: upgrade to etch or sid? |
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| 21:08.07 | eMish | tarzeau: is it in-place thing, or I need fresh install ? |
| 21:08.26 | tarzeau | eMish: it's an upgrade, you can't install testing/sid from scratch |
| 21:09.05 | eMish | which i more recent, sid or etch ? |
| 21:09.09 | tarzeau | eMish: sid |
| 21:09.10 | craigevil | you can install testing from scratch, using the netinstall |
| 21:09.18 | tarzeau | craigevil: it's not stable |
| 21:09.19 | eMish | what is command ? apt-get install sid ? |
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| 21:09.23 | tarzeau | eMish: no |
| 21:09.25 | widrone | Dont play with sid unless you really like your toys to be broken now and then. |
| 21:09.25 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:09.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:09.43 | eMish | thanks |
| 21:09.49 | tarzeau | you're welcome |
| 21:10.20 | tarzeau | eMish: tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 21:10.28 | tarzeau | and the mplayer in debian sucks |
| 21:10.30 | eMish | do you shoot at word fedora in here ? |
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| 21:10.45 | streuner_ | eMish: keep on topic |
| 21:10.51 | tarzeau | eMish: nobody cares i guess |
| 21:11.13 | eMish | not only player |
| 21:11.58 | eMish | streuner_: ok |
| 21:13.30 | jelly-home | tarzeau: what's wrong with mplayer? |
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| 21:13.59 | zinx | jelly-home: no codecs |
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| 21:14.09 | zinx | 'cause they're non-free |
| 21:14.32 | tarzeau | and no mencoder |
| 21:14.39 | tarzeau | jelly-home: just the debian package, not mplayer itself |
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| 21:14.53 | eMish | hmm, he says sid is broken if i understand him right |
| 21:14.57 | jelly-home | Oh, there _is_ a real mplayer package in main now? |
| 21:14.58 | eMish | then my choice is etch ? |
| 21:15.34 | eMish | and how do i install etch using apt-get ? |
| 21:15.35 | jelly-home | cause I see all sorts of codecs on Marillat's repo |
| 21:15.40 | streuner_ | eMish: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:15.42 | abrotman | !tell eMish about sarge->etch |
| 21:15.56 | zinx | jelly-home: yeah, there's mplayer in sid |
| 21:16.02 | zinx | jelly-home: just without the non-free stuff |
| 21:16.15 | zinx | where non-free has a slightly stronger meaning than debian's definition there :/ |
| 21:16.21 | streuner_ | zinx: when did that change? |
| 21:16.48 | zinx | streuner: no idea. |
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| 21:17.41 | jelly-home | zinx: hmm, the no-mencoder no-dvd no-codecs look sounds like the maintainer put his old sources packages in the archive. |
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| 21:20.09 | jindal | hullo guys, myself have three machines running testing, each machine seperately needs to be updated/ packs installed ...... is there some system to automate it such that my bandwidth is saved ? |
| 21:20.28 | Tallu | apt-proxy |
| 21:21.24 | zinx | jelly-home: no.. |
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| 21:21.32 | jindal | Tallu, thanks :) |
| 21:21.35 | zinx | jelly-home: that stuff isn't there because it's illegal to distribute |
| 21:21.36 | foxure | Hello. I have som cgi scripts on my server that i want to be run with root and myuser priveligis.. Is that possibly to do? It should be great if its just some of the scripts that runs like root, and the rest like www-data |
| 21:21.46 | Tallu | jindal: you're welcome :) |
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| 21:22.32 | _zfr_ | i just installed the nvidia driver, downloaded from the nvidia site, its working on 56Hz :/, i change the Hz with nvidia-settings to 75Hz, is there an option to test the real hz |
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| 21:23.04 | action09 | hi |
| 21:23.11 | jindal | Tallu: is there some other alternative to apt-proxy? it seems to be a smaller mirror |
| 21:23.53 | loke- | how come my mouse pointer keeps jumping down to a corner 1 sec after i moved the cursor? |
| 21:23.56 | loke- | i have touchpad |
| 21:23.59 | itchi | jindal: I use also apt-proxy, works realy fine |
| 21:24.09 | jindal | okey :) |
| 21:24.10 | cahoot | loke-, wrong driver? |
| 21:24.36 | itchi | loke-: Is that always or just after an random time? |
| 21:24.48 | loke- | always |
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| 21:25.28 | loke- | it use "mouse" as driver |
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| 21:25.33 | loke- | and /dev/psaux |
| 21:25.48 | sqrxz | a nice file manager for X? |
| 21:25.57 | CharminTheMoose | question: |
| 21:25.59 | LeVA | loke-: is it an optical mouse? |
| 21:26.00 | tarzeau | sqrxz: GWorkspace.app |
| 21:26.01 | itchi | loke-: There are 2 InputDevice for the mouses? |
| 21:26.03 | chino | is gmt or utc the new central time ? |
| 21:26.06 | loke- | LeVA, it's a touchpad |
| 21:26.10 | tarzeau | chino: it's the same? |
| 21:26.14 | loke- | itchi, nope |
| 21:26.18 | LeVA | ups, sorry |
| 21:26.20 | itchi | loke-: It's an laptop? |
| 21:26.23 | loke- | yes |
| 21:26.25 | chino | no one took over |
| 21:26.27 | action09 | sqrxz gentoo |
| 21:26.40 | chino | how do i change the time to gmt ? |
| 21:26.45 | jelly-home | zinx: I don't think all w32codecs are illegal to distribute, but they are binary only and not dfsg compliant. |
| 21:26.46 | sqrxz | gentoo? |
| 21:26.59 | loke- | itchi, it is |
| 21:27.02 | action09 | sqrxz apt-cache show gentoo |
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| 21:27.26 | sqrxz | I thought you meant the distro |
| 21:27.27 | itchi | loke-: It's looks so on my laptop http://pastebin.ca/251190 |
| 21:27.37 | CharminTheMoose | why in the name of all fuzzy things is there even more code in hello.c rather than the simple hello world! thing? |
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| 21:27.58 | loke- | oh |
| 21:28.01 | loke- | i got synaptics too |
| 21:28.15 | loke- | itchi, thanks i'm gonna try that |
| 21:28.28 | abrotman | sqrxz: xfe |
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| 21:28.39 | action09 | chino hi, maybe tzconfig or read http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/time.html |
| 21:28.42 | itchi | loke-: The first section is for the additional mouse (when i plug it) |
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| 21:29.22 | loke- | itchi, ah.. what is that shmconfig? |
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| 21:30.08 | itchi | loke-: I have no additional mouse now connected. That's for gsynaptic, an little GUI app you need to install |
| 21:31.26 | eduhat | i downloaded enlightenment with aptitude, how could i start enlightenment? |
| 21:31.36 | itchi | eduhat: Use you an DM? |
| 21:31.42 | eduhat | DM? |
| 21:31.54 | deadcat | display manager |
| 21:32.03 | itchi | eduhat: Display Manager aka gdm, kdm, xdm, ... |
| 21:32.05 | eduhat | well, right now i use xfce |
| 21:32.11 | loke- | itchi, ohh okay.. and you use xfree86 also? |
| 21:32.16 | itchi | loke-: xorg |
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| 21:32.21 | deadcat | eduhat: he didnt ask what window/desktop manager you use. |
| 21:32.31 | itchi | loke-: But that part is the same for both |
| 21:32.32 | solars | is anyone here familar with keychain? my gpg-agent password timeouts very quickly, doesn't keychain prevent this? |
| 21:32.35 | eduhat | oh, then no, but how could i get one? |
| 21:32.40 | Karamon | Whats the current time frame for making a sha256 collision, is it secure enough nowadays? |
| 21:32.52 | deadcat | eduhat: so you start X from command line? via startx or startxfce4 ? |
| 21:32.57 | itchi | eduhat: Just install an DM :-) |
| 21:32.59 | loke- | itchi, oh okay.. i just installed it so i still got no net on it .. would like to get xorg aswell |
| 21:33.06 | itchi | eduhat: Sure you need an DM?? |
| 21:33.18 | eduhat | startx, yes, but i want a DM, how could i get one? |
| 21:33.19 | itchi | eduhat: Maybe you like to startx manually |
| 21:33.28 | eduhat | DM would be much nicer |
| 21:33.35 | deadcat | eduhat: apt-get install |
| 21:33.52 | eduhat | whats a good one? gdm? |
| 21:33.53 | itchi | eduhat: See /msg dpkg dm |
| 21:33.56 | deadcat | eduhat: you can test E via startx /usr/bin/enlightenment (assuming thats the right path) |
| 21:33.57 | itchi | eduhat: gdm |
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| 21:34.29 | eduhat | allright, gdm is downloading and install now |
| 21:34.42 | eduhat | its like 21mb |
| 21:34.50 | itchi | eduhat: gdm is the default when you select to install an desktop enviroment in the tasksel |
| 21:34.56 | eduhat | yeah, i liked that one |
| 21:34.58 | deadcat | eduhat: slim is like 21k |
| 21:35.19 | itchi | eduhat: Maybe you go to like the additional themes? And set gdm to use an random theme |
| 21:35.20 | eduhat | when i uninstalled gnome, it must have uninstalled gdm |
| 21:35.54 | eduhat | okay, gdm is up |
| 21:36.01 | itchi | eduhat: Restart x |
| 21:36.26 | itchi | eduhat: ctrl + alt+ backspace or /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 21:37.18 | eduhat | allright |
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| 21:37.38 | loke- | itchi, well can't start X now.. some Problem parsing the config file, Error from xf86HandleConfigFile |
| 21:37.39 | eduhat | i dont see enlightenment under the session section on gdm |
| 21:38.07 | itchi | loke-: Did you type an typo? |
| 21:38.18 | itchi | eduhat: Is it been installed? |
| 21:38.27 | itchi | eduhat: The whole packet i mean |
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| 21:38.32 | eduhat | itchi: pretty sure |
| 21:38.49 | itchi | eduhat: It should be in the list now, after you have restart x |
| 21:38.53 | loke- | itchi, nope |
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| 21:39.06 | itchi | loke-: It's been in that 'session' list you look too? |
| 21:39.07 | eduhat | itchi: i did a aptitude install enlightenment |
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| 21:40.26 | loke- | itchi, that wasn't intended for me i assume ^ :) |
| 21:40.32 | ofer0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.40 | GoAuLd | i want to cape a certain user account, and let it ONLY use firefox, nothing more, no video, no avis, no mp3, nothing except WWW, is there some program doing that ? |
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| 21:40.46 | itchi | loke-: Yup, i'm missed the user :-) |
| 21:40.48 | abrotman | cape ? |
| 21:40.48 | eduhat | itchi: i did a aptitude install enlightenment... would that innstall it all? |
| 21:41.09 | ofer0 | GoAuLd, you can chroot() him using debootstrap, and remove all other applications. |
| 21:41.10 | itchi | eduhat: Yeah, there are some additional themes i see but that's not needed |
| 21:41.18 | lumpy | why can't i do a su to someuser in a suid bash script owned by root? |
| 21:41.22 | deadcat | GoAuLd: just remove that user from the audio group or something |
| 21:41.34 | ofer0 | lumpy, you have to setuid( 0 ) first |
| 21:41.35 | abrotman | lumpy: errors are helpful |
| 21:41.43 | deadcat | lumpy: shell scripts dont work with setuid |
| 21:41.57 | GoAuLd | chroot needs something like reinstaling a minidebian inside debian right? |
| 21:41.58 | ofer0 | deadcat, of course they are. |
| 21:42.09 | deadcat | ofer0: oh. |
| 21:42.19 | ofer0 | deadcat, you can write a C program to setuid(0) and then use the script as if you were root |
| 21:42.24 | lumpy | deadcat: only shell scripts? |
| 21:42.36 | blondie | TUMMY |
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| 21:42.54 | ofer0 | for example: #!/bin/bash<NEWLINE>./setuid 0<NEWLINE>su whatever |
| 21:42.55 | itchi | eduhat: I dunno |
| 21:42.57 | deadcat | ofer0: he said shell script |
| 21:43.06 | itchi | eduhat: Should be there in the list normally |
| 21:43.23 | lumpy | ofer0: you mean from the the c program? |
| 21:43.26 | itchi | eduhat: Which release use you? |
| 21:43.32 | eduhat | itchi: the newest |
| 21:43.32 | ofer0 | lumpy, yeah. |
| 21:43.37 | itchi | eduhat: Sid? |
| 21:43.37 | lumpy | ofer0: then i would prefer sudo |
| 21:43.46 | deadcat | eduhat: the newest dont tell us shit.. what version. |
| 21:43.48 | ofer0 | I have to go.. lumpy - of course you would. |
| 21:43.49 | eduhat | itchi: what do you mean Sid? |
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| 21:44.01 | ofer0 | lumpy, writing setuid scripts is a dangerous thing to do. use sudo everywhere |
| 21:44.29 | Nwallins | anyone know if libapache2-mod-proxy-html provides mod_proxy_balancer for apache 2.2.3? |
| 21:44.29 | ofer0 | GoAuLd, it called debootstrap. please read about it |
| 21:44.29 | lumpy | ofer0: ok |
| 21:44.34 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 21:44.39 | GoAuLd | thank u |
| 21:44.47 | abrotman | Nwallins: doesn't the package description say ? |
| 21:44.52 | itchi | eduhat: The code name of the release of the Unstable branch of Debian |
| 21:44.54 | ofer0 | GoAuLd, aptitude install debootstrap; debootstrap sarge chroot-dir/ |
| 21:44.56 | Nwallins | abrotman: it doesn't mention mod_proxy_balancer |
| 21:45.05 | ofer0 | cya guys. |
| 21:45.10 | abrotman | Nwallins: you could look at the file list for the package |
| 21:45.13 | eduhat | well, its a stable release |
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| 21:45.21 | loke- | itchi, at least x doesn't crash now but it jumps down to corner |
| 21:45.23 | itchi | eduhat: Debian have 3 differents release, it will be good to know which one you use ;-) |
| 21:45.27 | deadcat | eduhat: dpkg -l enlightenment |
| 21:46.15 | Nwallins | abrotman: everything says *proxy_html not *proxy_balancer but I don't see any *proxy_balancer using apt-cache search |
| 21:46.16 | Supaplex | !hug ~/ |
| 21:46.23 | itchi | loke-: Hope you have an additional mouse, in awaiting for ... I have no experience with touchpad not working out of the box. Just a bit of configuring it |
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| 21:46.49 | jelly-home | !synaptics |
| 21:46.49 | dpkg | well, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
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| 21:47.22 | itchi | loke-: Have you see ^^ ? |
| 21:47.27 | loke- | itchi, ohh okay.. i have |
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| 21:48.07 | itchi | loke-: Let ik know here if that have you |
| 21:48.12 | loke- | well dont' got that driver on my cd's unfortunately :) |
| 21:48.46 | itchi | loke-: You use xfree? If yes, apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 21:49.22 | eduhat | deadcat: enlightenment version .16.7.2-1 |
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| 21:49.46 | deadcat | eduhat: seems old. i assume you want e17? |
| 21:50.17 | loke- | itchi, since i dont got net working on my laptop yet it's not in the repo it seems |
| 21:50.35 | itchi | loke-: Aaai, okay |
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| 21:50.47 | itchi | loke-: Have you another mouse in awaiting? |
| 21:50.49 | Feax | What image need I to use for a intel core 2 duo ? i386 ? |
| 21:51.16 | itchi | Feax: Maybe take the 486, is a bit as 386 as computer :-p |
| 21:51.29 | itchi | Feax: You need the smp kernel |
| 21:51.48 | deadcat | 2 duo. is that like 2 x 2? 4 cpus? |
| 21:51.57 | Feax | deadcat: dual core |
| 21:52.08 | itchi | deadcat: yes |
| 21:52.16 | deadcat | damn!!! |
| 21:52.31 | Feax | itchi: I take what so ? |
| 21:52.51 | eduhat | deadcat: yeah, e17 sounds good, but how do i delete e16? |
| 21:52.51 | itchi | deadcat: Have here 2 of each one 1.6 GHz with 2 MB cache, mostly duo core's have little motors |
| 21:52.58 | itchi | Feax: Hold one |
| 21:53.15 | Feax | For a core 2 duo which I choose: [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] ? |
| 21:53.24 | loke- | itchi, yeah |
| 21:53.26 | Feax | what is m68k ? |
| 21:53.28 | Feax | !m68k |
| 21:53.28 | dpkg | hmm... m68k is Motorola 680x0 CPU family, used in Macs, Ataris, Amigas, Palm machines, older Sun workstations, and various VME bus systems. linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models, or http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html |
| 21:53.28 | deadcat | eduhat: apt-get remove it.. i dont think debian has e17 yet. but theres a repo with .deb |
| 21:53.31 | jelly-home | Feax: if you're not sure, use -686. For multiple core, -686-smp |
| 21:53.32 | tarzeau | Feax: hehe :) |
| 21:53.39 | loke- | itchi, ahh it works now.. got a friends configuration :) |
| 21:53.40 | itchi | Feax: Sarge? |
| 21:53.40 | tarzeau | Feax: how old are you? |
| 21:53.50 | itchi | loke-: Thanks jelly-home for it ;-) |
| 21:53.53 | Feax | jelly-home: trhere is no i686 :> |
| 21:53.57 | Feax | tarzeau: why ? |
| 21:53.59 | Feax | itchi: etch |
| 21:54.14 | itchi | loke-: Okay, now i know also that we need at first that xfree/xorg driver(package) :-) |
| 21:54.26 | jelly-home | Feax: oh sorry, I was thinking something else |
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| 21:54.42 | eduhat | deadcat: allright, wll how do i get to a shell without the gdm? |
| 21:54.43 | Feax | tarzeau: ? |
| 21:54.52 | loke- | itchi, yeah :) well i actually used the mouse driver to get it working.. since i dont got the synaptics driver |
| 21:55.03 | deadcat | these core, core dual, core 2 dual crap confuse the f out of me.. since i am on a fucking pentium 3, why cant they just call it pentium 5, pentium 6 or something.. damn |
| 21:55.21 | Feax | lol deadcat :p |
| 21:55.22 | deadcat | eduhat: startx /usr/bin/enlightenment |
| 21:55.38 | itchi | Feax: linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 21:55.42 | deadcat | Feax: i am not kidding. they do confuse me.. |
| 21:55.43 | eduhat | but how do i get to a shell to start that, i cant get to one because of gdm |
| 21:55.47 | itchi | Feax: These i runn actually |
| 21:55.50 | itchi | Feax: Wait |
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| 21:56.11 | deadcat | eduhat: if you are on gdm right now. press control+alt+F1 |
| 21:56.12 | Feax | itchi: yes but for the installer, I use a backported actually and I want a official |
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| 21:56.19 | jelly-home | Feax: you have two options it seems. You can use 64bit amd64 and have some non-free software not work easily, or you can use i386, lose some 5-10% performance but have flash, wine etc. working easily. |
| 21:56.24 | itchi | Feax: Look in the /proc/... to see if you duo core is now been used. After the install you will se that the both are working now |
| 21:56.45 | itchi | Feax: I had need to take the Etch installer for the brand new laptop |
| 21:57.10 | Feax | itchi: so I use i386 for install ? |
| 21:57.23 | itchi | Feax: less /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:57.29 | itchi | Feax: Crazy guy |
| 21:57.32 | eduhat | deadcat: it says the server is already active for display 0 |
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| 21:57.42 | Feax | itchi: why ? :x |
| 21:57.51 | ayaa | i have a very old Pentium 1 station that i want to install debian on it, it wont boot on the cd, do you know how to resolve this issue ? |
| 21:57.51 | itchi | Feax: If you want i have an 586 computer here, if you want we do an big deal, exchange :-) |
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| 21:58.11 | Feax | XD itchi, which installer I take ? |
| 21:58.13 | jelly-home | itchi: that's a brand new Intel CPU, it most definitely IS 586 |
| 21:58.16 | itchi | Feax: i386 is 2 generations before the Pentium 1 |
| 21:58.35 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah, i have tell it bad :)Ã |
| 21:58.49 | Feax | itchi: I use 2.6.18-1-686 actually with backported installer and I want a official installer |
| 21:59.05 | itchi | Feax: I dunno that way |
| 21:59.23 | eduhat | deadcat: it says the server is already active for display 0... i think because gdm is running |
| 21:59.24 | Feax | itchi: may I use i386 for install and after install this kernel |
| 21:59.42 | jelly-home | Feax: your machine might be too new for an official stable installer to work |
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| 22:00.30 | Feax | okay jelly-home |
| 22:01.13 | itchi | Feax: With sarge, no many things was reconising; maybe is it easier to tell wath there was working with my laptop. I had need to take an newer version that know about my laptop |
| 22:01.15 | jelly-home | Feax: btw where did you get that backported installer? :-) |
| 22:01.39 | Feax | jelly-home: kmuto.jp |
| 22:02.07 | eduhat | how can i get to a shell without gdm starting? |
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| 22:02.28 | itchi | alt+shift+Fx |
| 22:02.44 | itchi | eduhat: Deppend if you are or not in an GFX environment or not |
| 22:02.55 | itchi | wooa, gfx :-p |
| 22:03.08 | jelly-home | Feax: looks like a good source, I'd just use that installer if it worked. |
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| 22:03.39 | jelly-home | Feax: or you can download sarge netinst and see for yourself that it doesn't work. ;-) |
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| 22:04.35 | Feax | jelly-home: that doesnt work with etch 3.1r3 but with r4.. dunno |
| 22:04.53 | itchi | Feax: 3.1 is Sarge |
| 22:05.05 | Feax | huhu dunno |
| 22:05.13 | itchi | Feax: ;-) |
| 22:05.13 | Feax | !teamspeak |
| 22:05.21 | zinx_ | !mumble |
| 22:05.23 | Feax | I am on debian since 2 month |
| 22:05.26 | itchi | !fgfs |
| 22:05.27 | dpkg | hmm... fgfs is FlightGear Flight Simulator, an open-source, multi-platform, cooperative flight simulator development project, see also http://www.flightgear.org/, see also http://wiki.flightgear.org/ |
| 22:05.34 | itchi | hehe :-) :-p |
| 22:05.43 | jelly-home | Feax: ? etch = upcoming 4.0. 3.1 is current stable. r3, r4... are just small revisions of stable. |
| 22:05.50 | itchi | Make some pub :-) |
| 22:06.05 | eduhat | itchi: well, how do i get back to gdm from ctrl-lat-f1? |
| 22:06.13 | itchi | Someone already try that ^^ ? |
| 22:06.19 | jelly-home | eduhat: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 22:06.27 | itchi | eduhatalt+f7 |
| 22:06.27 | eduhat | cool |
| 22:06.39 | itchi | shit that console |
| 22:06.54 | eduhat | now how would i exit gdm? |
| 22:06.54 | itchi | On the laptop, some keys mess up my whole console layout :-/ |
| 22:07.03 | Feax | when I try to install teamspeak, that say me installer: cannot connect to X server :0.0, I must be root for install that but how can I do ? |
| 22:07.03 | eduhat | because that is using the xserver right now |
| 22:07.12 | itchi | eduhat: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 22:07.35 | itchi | eduhat: Replace stop with start, or restart, depending of your needs |
| 22:07.55 | eduhat | but i cant get to a shell, if i do it from ctrl-alt-f1 it says that gdm isnt running |
| 22:08.28 | itchi | Some keys i press, mess up my irssi and screen. I have try to look to the keybindings but not understand that geek thing. BTw someone an good howto for these geek keybindings? |
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| 22:08.57 | itchi | eduhat: And is it been running? |
| 22:09.14 | itchi | eduhat: /etc/init.d/gdm start, and it will then |
| 22:09.16 | w0rd54 | yo anyone get hellanzb installed for debian? |
| 22:09.25 | eduhat | itchi: yes, right when i start the computer, after its done booting up, gdm starts right away |
| 22:09.25 | w0rd54 | I can't seem to get it going....get incompatibility issues with python |
| 22:09.44 | itchi | w0rd54: Which release? |
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| 22:10.26 | w0rd54 | itchi: running sarge |
| 22:11.01 | itchi | w0rd54: Can you pastebin the whole error message? |
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| 22:11.08 | eduhat | itchi: yes, right when i start the computer, after its done booting up, gdm starts right away... so how would i get out of gdm? |
| 22:11.12 | Feax | how can I know how to launch a package ? |
| 22:11.37 | itchi | eduhat: stop the it |
| 22:11.43 | itchi | eduhat: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 22:11.59 | pickcoder | eduhat: login, pull up a root shell, and run the command that's been stated |
| 22:12.01 | w0rd54 | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/251216 |
| 22:12.07 | itchi | Feax: Look to the content what an package have. dpkg -L foo and look |
| 22:12.10 | w0rd54 | itchi: that's what I get when I run apt-get install hellanzb |
| 22:12.10 | Eulex | Feax, dpkg -L packagename, look for stuff put in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. those are binaries |
| 22:12.15 | bathat | i have a graphics-related question |
| 22:12.17 | Feax | okay |
| 22:12.27 | niruana | Hi all, I have a problem with my debian server... I recently changed my router and changed the ip from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.1.1 I updated the interfaces config... now it wont get on the internet |
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| 22:12.48 | bathat | i'm trying to use the nvidia oss driver |
| 22:12.48 | w0rd54 | niruana: add your new dns to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:12.49 | niruana | but other people can connect to my apache server that its running |
| 22:12.53 | niruana | aha |
| 22:12.58 | niruana | ok thx w0rd54 |
| 22:13.07 | bathat | i've run make-kpkg modules_install in the source dir |
| 22:13.07 | w0rd54 | niruana: no prob, been there before :) |
| 22:13.13 | niruana | hehe |
| 22:13.24 | bathat | i'm using etch but i've installed nvidia-kernel for unstable |
| 22:13.30 | _zfr_ | yo, i installed debian etch testing, i dont have sound, howto configure / download which package? |
| 22:13.34 | Nwallins | Hi, I confirmed with #apache that mod_proxy_balancer is a compile-time option for apache2, and that the debian package does not enable it. Are there instructions for repackaging / hacking to add --enable-proxy-balancer to ./configure ? |
| 22:13.38 | bathat | and X can never load the nvidia module |
| 22:13.41 | bathat | even though it exists |
| 22:13.44 | itchi | w0rd54: Can you paste you sources.list ? Suspect an release mixing |
| 22:14.07 | bathat | anyone willing to help? |
| 22:14.14 | niruana | damn so many thx w0rd54 :d |
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| 22:14.36 | w0rd54 | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/251218 -- my sources.list |
| 22:14.36 | itchi | bathat: Pastebin you error message |
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| 22:14.50 | w0rd54 | niruana: no prob dude, have done that so many times I've got to think that first time round :P |
| 22:14.51 | bathat | well, i can't at the moment |
| 22:15.07 | w0rd54 | niruana: hheh good luck on next subnet change :P |
| 22:15.10 | bathat | but Xorg.0.log just says it can't load the module because it doesn't exist |
| 22:15.15 | w0rd54 | imagine that * 50 servers |
| 22:15.17 | itchi | w0rd54: Yeah, mixing, i can not give support for that, like i not know about mixing releases |
| 22:15.44 | w0rd54 | itchi: not familiar with "mixing"....maybe I'm doing something in error |
| 22:15.50 | bathat | the module is under /lib/modules/(uname -r)/nvidia |
| 22:16.06 | niruana | thx :) |
| 22:16.13 | itchi | w0rd54: You use the Stable release with the Unstable release. That's why you are in some troubles now |
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| 22:16.29 | w0rd54 | itchi: sheeeeit....ok I thought I was supposed to add it....ok lesson learned |
| 22:16.46 | w0rd54 | it's a dev box so no real serious issue....maybe I should reload it |
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| 22:16.56 | bathat | i've been trying to get it to work for quite some time |
| 22:17.17 | plugwash | Nwallins i'm not sure how the debian apache package is built, start by doing "apt-get source apache2" and change to the directory it creates |
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| 22:17.33 | itchi | w0rd54: Yeah, a bit shity, i not know an solution for it, maybe complete migration to Unstable, but i not recommend that. Maybe try to go back to the Sarge release, if you can |
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| 22:17.45 | Nwallins | plugwash: thanks, that helps. I wasn't sure if apt-get source was the right way to proceed. |
| 22:17.59 | bathat | itchi: any ideas? |
| 22:18.07 | w0rd54 | itchi: so if I were to use unstable packages would I want to switch over entirely to unstable? |
| 22:18.08 | itchi | w0rd54: But go back to an older release will also not work rightly |
| 22:18.14 | itchi | bathat: I scroll back |
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| 22:18.37 | w0rd54 | itchi: yeah I'm gonna reload the box....but unsure as to how to proceed entirely....so if the package I want is in unstable does that basically mean I'd be running etch? |
| 22:18.43 | w0rd54 | I've always ran the stable package source |
| 22:18.47 | plugwash | Nwallins then add an entry to debian/changelog with a version number like 2.2.3-3.1nwallins2 |
| 22:18.49 | g3brown | I'm trying to install a new nic. I need to make install and I get kernel source not found. What do I need? The kernel-headers or something else? |
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| 22:19.27 | Nwallins | plugwash: here is an account of my entire pkg-hacking experience. how much harder is this new endeavor? http://rafb.net/paste/results/TVIbRd35.html |
| 22:19.30 | plugwash | nwallins then start looking at debian/control to figure out where to make your actual changes (hopefully it should be fairly obvious in there |
| 22:19.37 | itchi | w0rd54: Wait a bit, Etch (testing) is going to become stable is some less time |
| 22:19.43 | itchi | bathat: I dunno |
| 22:19.49 | bathat | hmm ok |
| 22:19.53 | itchi | bathat: Maybe you need to rebuild the module i guess |
| 22:20.00 | itchi | bathat: It have been work right before? |
| 22:20.07 | bathat | no |
| 22:20.11 | w0rd54 | itchi: tru, I'll switch to unstable and run it for a bit....I wanna do some testing on it on my end to get a nice NZB downloader working....doesn't matter if I have to refresh box a couple times |
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| 22:20.16 | bathat | i'm confined to the proprietary drivers |
| 22:20.21 | itchi | bathat: ah ok, then it's probably another story |
| 22:20.31 | plugwash | w0rd54 put testing in your sources.list instead of stable and unstable and then try to upgrade everything |
| 22:20.44 | bathat | is there anywhere else i could ask where someone would have an answer... |
| 22:20.46 | plugwash | generally testing and unstable are close enough that mixing them isn't too much of an issue |
| 22:21.15 | w0rd54 | plugwash: k, I'll give that a run....thx y0 |
| 22:21.16 | itchi | w0rd54: Take in consideration that the system can be break, because of some /unstable/ package. That can be are fatal in some circustances |
| 22:21.26 | ayaa | i have a very old Pentium 1 station that i want to install debian on it, it wont boot on the cd, do you know how to resolve this issue ? |
| 22:21.33 | itchi | bathat: Maybe, tell use how you have proceed? |
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| 22:21.41 | w0rd54 | itchi: tru....basically only running 1-2 apps on this sys anyways....need to find a good way to script some of this nzb goodness :P |
| 22:21.44 | amphi | ayaa: smart boot manager may o it |
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| 22:21.57 | amphi | ayaa: *do it |
| 22:22.03 | itchi | ayaa: Yes; take that hdd and put it in another computer, or install with these funny floppy disks |
| 22:22.03 | bathat | well, i followed the directions on a site |
| 22:22.11 | bathat | i did make-kpkg in the source directory |
| 22:22.24 | bathat | both make-kpkg kernel_image and modules_image |
| 22:22.34 | bathat | i installed both of the resulting deb files |
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| 22:22.41 | itchi | amphi: Heh, 8 minutes to break my wep key, realy crazy, i go to setup wpa, i have the feeling of it |
| 22:22.43 | amphi | ayaa: ignore itchi - smb is a floppy-based boot manager that will probably be able to boot the cd |
| 22:22.52 | bathat | i downloaded the nvidia-kernel-source in unstable |
| 22:22.54 | amphi | itchi: 8 minutes? heh |
| 22:22.55 | bathat | of course |
| 22:23.05 | itchi | amphi: Yup, 8 min's :-/ |
| 22:23.06 | bathat | yet the module refuses to load |
| 22:23.12 | amphi | ayaa: er, sbm |
| 22:23.34 | amphi | itchi: enterprise-ready wifi security ;) |
| 22:23.44 | bathat | is that the correct procedure? |
| 22:23.50 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i have tell him how i did with mine P1 here, your solution is interesting me |
| 22:23.55 | ayaa | amphi, ok gonna check it |
| 22:24.08 | w0rd54 | amphi: enterprise wifi security = wpa + vpn |
| 22:24.20 | amphi | w0rd54: I was joking, sort of |
| 22:24.31 | w0rd54 | heeh tru...never heard of sbm |
| 22:24.32 | amphi | w0rd54: plenty of wep about still |
| 22:24.38 | w0rd54 | lol wep |
| 22:24.53 | w0rd54 | my bowel movements have more encryption than wep |
| 22:25.17 | hologram | yes |
| 22:25.20 | itchi | amphi: Can i PM you an pastebin link? Just to give you some info |
| 22:25.21 | hologram | yes i reckon they do |
| 22:25.32 | w0rd54 | yeah wep + vpn is good too.....basically just dual encryption is the key...software encryption enables upgrading |
| 22:25.37 | amphi | itchi: sbm worked well installing from cd on 100Mz P1 laptop |
| 22:25.49 | w0rd54 | wpa is crackable as well pretty easy....but key is enabling another form of auth |
| 22:25.52 | DaBlade | Americans, rejoice: http://digg.com/politics/Senator_Dodd_introduces_legislation_restoring_Habeas_Corpus |
| 22:26.01 | itchi | amphi: Heh, i have the same speed as computer :-) Do we an race :-p |
| 22:26.08 | eduhat | how do i delete mozilla and install firefox? |
| 22:26.12 | amphi | itchi: sure, you are my richest source of pastebin links ;) |
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| 22:26.47 | itchi | eduhat: See apt-get install foo, apt-get remove --purge foo The --purge is to remove it completely, included customed config files |
| 22:26.57 | itchi | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/251226 |
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| 22:27.01 | itchi | shit |
| 22:27.06 | itchi | maybe |
| 22:27.14 | itchi | fucking console |
| 22:27.21 | bathat | itchi: do you know where i could ask? |
| 22:27.34 | itchi | amphi: I need to fix my console man, realy ;-) |
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| 22:27.56 | bathat | because i have no clue what i'm doing wrong |
| 22:28.03 | itchi | bathat: Here, maybe tryout on anther time, when there is some other people ;-) |
| 22:28.11 | amphi | itchi: simple, huh? |
| 22:28.16 | dendrite | bathat: That's the nv driver? |
| 22:28.17 | bathat | ok thanks |
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| 22:28.40 | bathat | hmm |
| 22:28.41 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, when you know how, it's toooo simple :-) 8 mins |
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| 22:28.49 | bathat | it installs to nvidia.ko |
| 22:28.51 | bathat | object |
| 22:28.59 | bathat | so no, it's not the nv driver |
| 22:29.08 | itchi | bathat: I'm not so experienced in general with GNU/linux, compared to many others here |
| 22:29.10 | bathat | although i've been using the nv driver for a long time |
| 22:29.12 | amphi | itchi: and almost all that was gathering packets, presumably |
| 22:29.19 | bathat | since i've had a lot of trouble getting the prop. drivers to work |
| 22:29.37 | bathat | itchi: ok, that's encouraging, i'm a relative n00b myself |
| 22:29.47 | itchi | amphi: Yup, there is an need that someone make some traffic, for 8 mins; decoding is an matter of some seconds; realy! |
| 22:30.08 | bathat | dendrite: you have any ideas? |
| 22:30.32 | itchi | amphi: Once you have 900.000 packets, it's done in lesser that 2 seconds, if you have only 100.000 packets, it take betweek 1 a 2 hours or more, like noted in the man of these stuff |
| 22:30.49 | bathat | this is the name of the resulting file: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18.1_1.0.8776-1+2.6.18.1-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 22:30.51 | dendrite | bathat: depmod -a ? |
| 22:31.00 | itchi | amphi: I have note on my TODO to setup wpa :-p |
| 22:31.16 | Kevin` | bah wpa keeps people away well enough for me :) |
| 22:31.18 | Kevin` | er |
| 22:31.19 | Kevin` | wep* |
| 22:31.24 | amphi | itchi: wpasupplicant is a great name for a program IMHO |
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| 22:31.43 | Kevin` | most people cant crack wep, and those who do, would go next door anyway |
| 22:31.55 | bathat | dendrite: ok, i'm not sure what that did |
| 22:31.58 | bathat | no output |
| 22:32.04 | bathat | i'm reading the manpage for it |
| 22:32.14 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, have already install it, not yet setup it; Just wanted to see how long time it take to bypass that wep key |
| 22:32.56 | itchi | Kevin`: What mean you? |
| 22:33.00 | amphi | itchi: the time is just determined by how long it takes to grab enough packets |
| 22:33.30 | Kevin` | itchi I mean wep will keep everyone out of my network except someone who has a specific reason to get in |
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| 22:33.39 | bathat | dendrite: cat /lib/modules/2.6.18.1|grep nvidia |
| 22:33.41 | bathat | /lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko |
| 22:33.48 | bathat | this must be the module i'm using right now |
| 22:33.59 | _Brandon_ | hi i have this problem when i run php(debian unstable) php: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:34.01 | bathat | where the driver from nvidia installs |
| 22:34.02 | itchi | amphi: Yes, i have copy some file from 2 computers, to make some traffic in air; then you need to caputer enought packages (near 900.000 is the top) and then 2 seconds to decode the key |
| 22:34.19 | Flimzy | _Brandon_: Looks like there's no such file or directory as "libmysqlclient.so.14" |
| 22:34.25 | bathat | i'm approximately the same size as the oss module |
| 22:34.29 | bathat | it's* |
| 22:34.30 | itchi | Kevin`: Yeah, that sounds better ;-) |
| 22:34.36 | Flimzy | bathat: So your diet is working? :P |
| 22:34.38 | bathat | 5.2M vs. 5.0 |
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| 22:34.47 | Kevin` | and usually the most intensive thing I do over wifi is ssh, good luck spending days capturing packets :) |
| 22:34.57 | bathat | Flimzy: yes... i guess so |
| 22:35.13 | bathat | haha |
| 22:35.16 | bathat | i got it now |
| 22:35.24 | _Brandon_ | Flimzy: the problem is that there is no mysqlclient 14 on unstable just 10 and 15 |
| 22:35.29 | plugwash | Kevin` aren't there ways to actively stimulate traffic on a web protected network without having the key |
| 22:35.38 | itchi | amphi: If there are not traffic in air, i think it's not to do |
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| 22:35.53 | bathat | i did a modinfo on that nvidia.ko file |
| 22:35.55 | bathat | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko |
| 22:35.55 | bathat | license: NVIDIA |
| 22:35.57 | amphi | itchi: yeah, you need several packets ;) |
| 22:36.09 | eduhat | what is a irc client package for debian that i could use with: aptitude install <packages-name> |
| 22:36.14 | Kevin` | plugwash yes, but I don't think you'd get it to the levels of a file transfer |
| 22:36.18 | plugwash | if the attacker can actively stimulate traffic on your network then it doesn't really help that you hardly use it |
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| 22:36.22 | bathat | ah, so maybe if i just place the oss module in there |
| 22:36.24 | bathat | it will work |
| 22:36.25 | Flimzy | eduhat: xchat is my favorite. Some people think it's evil. |
| 22:36.43 | itchi | amphi: 8 minutes of captures ;-) |
| 22:36.53 | plugwash | eduhat for an im style client gaim, for a conventional irc client for x11 xchat for a console client bitchx |
| 22:36.53 | Kevin` | plugwash the easiest way to get my key would be to ask for it, most likely i'd probably tell you :) |
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| 22:38.31 | bathat | does anyone know where the nvidia proprietary driver installs its module to? |
| 22:38.31 | itchi | There are some tools to make some traffic in air, aireplay-ng |
| 22:39.24 | itchi | bathat: Have you look to /msg dpkg nvidia ? |
| 22:39.34 | bathat | no, thanks |
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| 22:40.33 | chisito | # Appears as BOLO |
| 22:42.13 | bathat | itchi: thanks, that may get me somewhere |
| 22:42.21 | narg | If I used some other source that had advanced version of packages, but then removed it, the advanced packages stay installed (even after an upgrade). How would you get apt to return everything to the highest version in the available repositories? |
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| 22:42.27 | bathat | not sure where, but hopefully further |
| 22:44.15 | itchi | bathat: It should help, maybe you just not understand it right from the first time |
| 22:44.33 | bathat | mabye |
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| 22:44.38 | bathat | maybe* |
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| 22:50.10 | amphi | itchi: could you do me a favour, and run modinfo ipw2200 | grep '^version' there please? (assuming you are running the etch kernel) |
| 22:50.43 | fasta | I have certain websites I want to visit, but these are only accessible when viewed from a certain network. So, I have setup an ssh proxy, and then some of these websites start to work, however, some do not, and those websites detect _my_ ip address, while it should be the IP address of some computer on the other network. How's that possible? When I ssh to the remote network and then visit the webpage with "links" everything works. |
| 22:50.43 | Zap-W | do i need to unmount a ext2 fs before resizing it with resize2fs |
| 22:51.03 | Muisje | How can i tell read in a /bin/sh script to not add a new line...? |
| 22:51.34 | amphi | itchi: it'll be one line, no need for pastebin ;) |
| 22:51.47 | itchi | amphi: version: git-1.1.1 |
| 22:52.19 | itchi | amphi: I had not pay attention to the irc, somethings crazy on the tv there |
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| 22:53.20 | itchi | fasta: Ask to these that he give you permissions? |
| 22:53.20 | amphi | itchi: thanks; I have 1.2 here on sarge ;) |
| 22:53.37 | itchi | amphi: euh, an newer version? |
| 22:53.37 | fasta | itchi: it's weekend |
| 22:53.38 | Wyzard | Zap-W: If you're using a recent version of ext2resize and a kernel newer than 2.6.10 and you're enlarging (not shrinking) the filesystem, then no |
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| 22:53.42 | Wyzard | Zap-W: Otherwise, yes |
| 22:53.48 | amphi | itchi: yeah, out of tree |
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| 22:53.59 | fasta | itchi: otherwise I would have bother those people, yes :) |
| 22:54.05 | fasta | bothered* |
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| 22:54.14 | bathat | i always get this error message whenever i try to install nvidia-glx |
| 22:54.15 | bathat | dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-legacy' |
| 22:54.16 | itchi | fasta: Take the big hamer then ;-) |
| 22:54.24 | bathat | has anyone else had this problem? |
| 22:54.31 | fasta | itchi: and I would also like to understand the problem. |
| 22:54.33 | Wyzard | bathat: Uninstall nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 22:54.40 | bathat | ok |
| 22:54.43 | itchi | fasta: No, you _should_ ask here for it! You need authorisation if that is setup so |
| 22:54.55 | Wyzard | bathat: That's the driver for older cards that are no longer supported by the main nvidia-glx driver |
| 22:54.57 | itchi | fasta: ow s/here/hen/ |
| 22:55.08 | bathat | it's not installed |
| 22:55.13 | fasta | itchi: what do you mean? |
| 22:55.16 | itchi | amphi: That console piss me off |
| 22:55.24 | fasta | itchi: to me it seems that when ssh + shell works, the ssh proxy should also work. |
| 22:55.25 | bathat | i didn't think it would be |
| 22:55.38 | itchi | fasta: You should ask hen _explicitely_ to have authorisation, you are on the way to break it?? |
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| 22:55.45 | bathat | although, i was hoping |
| 22:55.48 | Wyzard | bathat: hmm... it must've been installed at some point in the past and failed to remove that diversion when it was uninstalled |
| 22:56.00 | fasta | itchi: break it? |
| 22:56.10 | fasta | itchi: they offer this service. |
| 22:56.10 | enouf | fasta : links works with all sites and the proxy works .. which browsers do not? |
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| 22:56.22 | itchi | fasta: Some security things are set up, like for that ip, you have tell |
| 22:56.31 | bathat | maybe if i try reinstalling and uninstalling it again |
| 22:56.35 | Wyzard | bathat: If you're certain nvidia-glx-legacy is not installed, do "dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a" as root |
| 22:56.46 | Wyzard | bathat: (I *think* that's the right syntax to remove a diversion) |
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| 22:56.50 | fasta | enouf: I start links when I ssh'ed to a gateway machine and the ssh'ed to another host. |
| 22:56.53 | fasta | enouf: that works |
| 22:57.03 | Wyzard | bathat: Actually, stick a --rename in that command too |
| 22:57.07 | bathat | and that will fix this problem.. |
| 22:57.12 | outlaw84 | how do I restart ftpd? I cant find any file for it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:57.13 | bathat | ok |
| 22:57.20 | enouf | fasta: right |
| 22:57.39 | enouf | fasta so what exactly doesn't work |
| 22:57.44 | fasta | enouf: when I connect to a special purpose "proxy" machine, I can access several pages, but not all. |
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| 22:57.56 | fasta | enouf: it could be a misconfiguration in that machine. |
| 22:58.03 | bathat | Removing `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-legacy' |
| 22:58.04 | fasta | enouf: that's probably it, but still it seems odd. |
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| 22:58.12 | itchi | outlaw84: Look to dpkg -L ftpd |
| 22:58.35 | Wyzard | bathat: Now try nvidia-glx again... if you get any more errors about other diversion from nvidia-glx-legacy, remove those too |
| 22:58.40 | bathat | dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libglx.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libglx.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-legacy' |
| 22:58.42 | PaSurf | where would startup scripts be placed in Debian? (etc/rc?) |
| 22:58.46 | bathat | should i try removing all of those too? |
| 22:58.54 | fasta | PaSurf: man init |
| 22:59.05 | Wyzard | bathat: yes... you should never have diversions left over by a package that's no longer installed |
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| 22:59.17 | PaSurf | thanks! |
| 22:59.21 | fasta | enouf: do you have any ohter explanation? |
| 22:59.25 | fasta | other* |
| 22:59.25 | bathat | ok, weird then that they exist |
| 22:59.33 | Wyzard | bathat: Normally they're removed automatically by the package's postrm script, but that must have failed for some reason in this case |
| 22:59.39 | bathat | i do remember installing nvidia-glx-legacy awhile back |
| 22:59.40 | bathat | i think |
| 22:59.41 | enouf | fasta: I'm a little confused to say the least .. but I'm no great networker either :-) .. check that javascript is not sending info in the packets you do not wnat it to .. there are settings in links2 -g that you can set your proxy and html specific settings .. |
| 22:59.56 | outlaw84 | itchi: hum... no initscript :/ I dont know what starts it |
| 23:00.00 | bathat | Wyzard: you might be able to help me with my nvidia graphics driver problem |
| 23:00.13 | bathat | but i'm trying to go through a page right now |
| 23:00.13 | Wyzard | What about it? |
| 23:00.24 | bathat | well, it's a long story |
| 23:00.28 | itchi | outlaw84: Me to, just have show a way how you can find it out |
| 23:00.36 | bathat | the nvidia prop. drivers have some artifact problems |
| 23:00.46 | peterS | outlaw84: the usual way to start an FTP server is from /etc/inetd.conf |
| 23:00.47 | bathat | so i've been trying to get the oss driver to work |
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| 23:00.53 | bathat | but it's never able to load the module |
| 23:00.56 | Wyzard | bathat: What sort of artifacts? |
| 23:00.57 | Flimzy | Is there a program better than 'diff' to show the differences between two directory structures that contain binary files? |
| 23:01.00 | peterS | outlaw84: since it is started for each incoming ftp connection, you never have to _explicitly_ restart it when you change configuration |
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| 23:01.07 | Wyzard | bathat: And the open-source driver ("nv") doesn't need a special kernel module |
| 23:01.11 | bathat | oh, just little dots on the desktop |
| 23:01.18 | enouf | fasta ChanServ could try using a utility like tcpdump and/or ethereal(wireshark) and look at the packets to see what's differnet maybe |
| 23:01.18 | outlaw84 | peterS: oh okej |
| 23:01.28 | Wyzard | bathat: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel are the proprietary driver |
| 23:01.33 | peterS | outlaw84: you can confirm this by reading /etc/inetd.conf, it is probably in there |
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| 23:01.37 | bathat | well, i'm trying to get nvidia-kernel to work |
| 23:01.40 | enouf | ooops .. not canserv .. bad tab .. bad tab |
| 23:01.49 | bathat | and installs a nvidia.ko object file |
| 23:01.50 | bathat | module |
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| 23:02.06 | bathat | so is that the nv or nvidia driver with hardware acceleration? |
| 23:02.17 | XrMb2 | argh, WTF |
| 23:02.30 | XrMb2 | how to write and exit fromvisudo?! |
| 23:02.32 | PaSurf | fasta: would I be able to specify mounts to load with the /etc/inittab filder. I am trying to load a scsi device after everything else has loaded... |
| 23:02.38 | Wyzard | bathat: That kernel module is a necessary part of the proprietary driver... if you didn't have that module before, you can't have been using nvidia's driver |
| 23:02.39 | enouf | XrMb2: easy |
| 23:02.41 | itchi | XrMb2: Like in vim |
| 23:02.48 | Wyzard | bathat: Maybe you were getting artifacts with the open-source "nv" driver? |
| 23:02.55 | bathat | nope |
| 23:02.59 | bathat | the nv driver is fine |
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| 23:03.00 | XrMb2 | not, it's not like n vim |
| 23:03.02 | bathat | always has been |
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| 23:03.10 | bathat | i've only recently gotten the nvidia driver working |
| 23:03.14 | itchi | XrMb2: vimtutor should interest you too. Press esc esc and then :wq |
| 23:03.15 | fasta | PaSurf: I am not an expert on everything, on the contrary. Read manuals or ask somebody else |
| 23:03.16 | bathat | after many troubles |
| 23:03.19 | outlaw84 | peterS: yea I see it now, I didnot know that ftp was run this way i posix but it does seam like the most logical way |
| 23:03.26 | Wyzard | bathat: OK, I thought you meant you couldn't get nvidia.ko to work at all |
| 23:03.36 | enouf | XrMb2: do this if it's your machine 'export $EDITOR=nano' :-) |
| 23:03.38 | PaSurf | fasta: np |
| 23:03.40 | fasta | bathat: Debian and nvidia do not work together |
| 23:03.42 | chupie | ok, i just got debian installed on my imac.. i cannot get XFree working though, i have tried reconfiguring it several times |
| 23:03.42 | peterS | outlaw84: it's useful if the ftp server has very little startup overhead. which is generally the case. |
| 23:03.46 | bathat | well, when i do a dpkg --purge on nvidia-kernel |
| 23:03.51 | bathat | that nvidia.ko file is removed |
| 23:03.59 | Wyzard | which makes sense |
| 23:03.59 | fasta | bathat: Either you go all the way with the Debian way, or you go the Nvidia way. |
| 23:04.04 | enouf | XrMb2: or use shift+zz to save what you wrote |
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| 23:04.29 | fasta | bathat: do not first install via the Debian way and then via the Nvidia way. |
| 23:04.32 | enouf | XrMb2: or .. you may have a tmp file already open .. are you getting that specific error? |
| 23:04.39 | fasta | bathat: that gives guaranteed annoyances. |
| 23:04.41 | bathat | so i should use the nv driver? |
| 23:04.44 | fasta | bathat: no |
| 23:04.48 | XrMb2 | ah, it uses Joe as editor |
| 23:04.50 | PaSurf | I am trying to get a scripts that will mount scsi device after everything else is loaded. Would this type of information go into the /etc/inittab folder or is there a better place for it in Debian? |
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| 23:04.55 | XrMb2 | how to write the changes and quit from Joe? |
| 23:05.09 | itchi | bathat: nv have no 3D |
| 23:05.16 | bathat | yeah, i know |
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| 23:05.30 | enouf | Joe Q public? .. sorrry .. don't know Joe |
| 23:05.32 | itchi | bathat: If you not need 3D, nv is fine then |
| 23:05.32 | fasta | !tell bathat about nvidia-one-liner |
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| 23:05.41 | bathat | ahah, nvidia-glx installed successfully |
| 23:05.43 | bathat | thx Wyzard |
| 23:05.46 | bathat | wow |
| 23:05.49 | bathat | first time |
| 23:05.55 | Wyzard | bathat: Feel free to use nvidia's driver if you want it... fasta's point was that if you use nvidia's driver, you should install it using the Debian packages, not the script installer from nvidia.com |
| 23:05.57 | Muisje | how can i prevent bash command read to not add a newline when i call up a read? i do want the enter key to be used for supplying the answer |
| 23:06.00 | bathat | i tried that, faderhval |
| 23:06.03 | bathat | fasta* |
| 23:06.18 | bathat | Wyzard: ah, i got it |
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| 23:06.29 | peterS | Muisje: I'm not sure you can, other than by turning off echo entirely. 'stty -echo' |
| 23:06.34 | fasta | bathat: if you want decent performance you also need to rebuild your kernel. |
| 23:06.40 | bathat | well, i finally got the nvidia-glx package to install |
| 23:06.50 | bathat | i'm using a custom kernel |
| 23:06.53 | bathat | 2.6.18.1 |
| 23:06.57 | fasta | bathat: You need to use NVAGP. |
| 23:07.00 | bathat | although i didn't modify the config |
| 23:07.11 | itchi | bathat: It's the backports kernel? |
| 23:07.13 | fasta | bathat: the in kernel one stinks is very slow. |
| 23:07.21 | bathat | oh... |
| 23:07.34 | fasta | bathat: (at least for my system) |
| 23:07.36 | bathat | this is all a bit confusing to me as i'm still a relative n00b |
| 23:07.50 | XrMb2 | darn |
| 23:07.54 | itchi | bathat: Take you time ;-) you will learn fast :-) |
| 23:07.56 | cockroach | little postfix question: for some reason, mail to empty recipients (eg. ""@host.domain.com) is delivered to root instead of rejected - what might be wrong there? |
| 23:07.59 | fasta | bathat: I can imagine. You will have a long way to go for a top notch system. |
| 23:08.02 | amphi | itchi: what console? screen? |
| 23:08.16 | itchi | amphi: In everything :-/ |
| 23:08.22 | bathat | i've been looking at this page... nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 23:08.26 | bathat | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:08.27 | fasta | bathat: at least you found a better OS. You now only need to find out why it's better.... |
| 23:08.31 | itchi | amphi: When i press an unbound key i think |
| 23:08.33 | bathat | referred to by /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:08.34 | Wyzard | bathat: Out of curiosity, why are you using a custom kernel? |
| 23:08.47 | bathat | oh, i've been using debian for about 1.5 years |
| 23:08.59 | bathat | i never use windows anymore... no need |
| 23:09.02 | amphi | itchi: like what? |
| 23:09.02 | enouf | XrMb2: export $EDITOR=vim then .. the editor isn't responsible for the syntax check that visudo does |
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| 23:09.10 | bathat | Wyzard: also a long story |
| 23:09.18 | bathat | i was emailing a guy at nvidia |
| 23:09.23 | amphi | itchi: ie. what keys? |
| 23:09.25 | bathat | and i could never get the module to load |
| 23:09.27 | Flimzy | If I have two directory trees, and want to create a tarball that contains only the files that are different between the directories, waht's the best way to do that? does tar support that natively? |
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| 23:09.33 | fasta | bathat: and they responded? |
| 23:09.33 | bathat | so he suggested i use a custom kernel |
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| 23:09.44 | bathat | he thought the debian kernel was at fault |
| 23:09.50 | fasta | bathat: The never responded to me... :( |
| 23:09.51 | bathat | and that seemed to be the case |
| 23:09.53 | peterS | Flimzy: tar doesn't, but if the files have newer timestamps you can tell tar to only get files with new timestamps |
| 23:09.58 | itchi | amphi: It's dificult to tell the trouble, when i press an unbound?? key, the text are messed up, and looks like i not see what there is in reality on the screen. So i try to backspace to remove these strange characters on screen, but when i press enter, it does not match like what i have seen on the monitor |
| 23:09.58 | bathat | Lonny at nvidia ;) |
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| 23:10.06 | fasta | er They |
| 23:10.15 | Wyzard | bathat: That's valid as a troubleshooting technique, but if that's the only reason then at this point there's no need for you to keep using it |
| 23:10.20 | Flimzy | peterS: Hmm... I don't think I can count on that. I wonder if rsync would do what I need |
| 23:10.29 | itchi | amphi: My first time i get this strange trouble ;-) |
| 23:10.30 | Muisje | peterS can i reenable echo afterwards? |
| 23:10.34 | bathat | well, i did a make-kpkg in the source dir |
| 23:10.35 | peterS | Muisje: yeah, 'stty echo' |
| 23:10.36 | jatt | ughh xfce4-session[3929]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002b1e81c8b1f0 rsp 00007fff2b5e5fe0 error 4 |
| 23:10.37 | Wyzard | bathat: Switch back to the stock kernel and use module-assistant to build nvidia-kernel for it... you'll find your life will be much simpler |
| 23:10.42 | bathat | and i installed the resulting deb file |
| 23:10.54 | peterS | Muisje: but note that the user can't see what he's typing. that might be bad. |
| 23:11.10 | bathat | well, i also have linux-image-2.6-686 installed |
| 23:11.10 | Muisje | lol |
| 23:11.13 | amphi | itchi: what keys cause this? home, end? |
| 23:11.19 | peterS | Muisje: also, if the user hits ^C instead of hitting enter, he gets a shell prompt with echo disabled. which is rather disconcerting |
| 23:11.20 | Muisje | no other way? |
| 23:11.23 | bathat | you're saying i should use that instead? |
| 23:11.33 | itchi | \}}}{[]]`])Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã |
| 23:11.33 | Wyzard | bathat: yeah, switch back to that and uninstall your custom one |
| 23:11.44 | Wyzard | bathat: You have no need for it anymore |
| 23:11.45 | lunitik | Any enlightenment folks know where I might get e17genmenu? Apparently it doesn't like obeying .desktop files still (granted the code apparently just recently went into the project, and they're in a transition...) |
| 23:11.47 | peterS | Muisje: I don't know of any other way. you may have to write a custom prompting program in C or something |
| 23:11.49 | itchi | amphi: You see he add that [39m to it |
| 23:11.50 | bathat | well, i don't really want to uninstall it but i'll use the other one |
| 23:11.57 | amphi | itchi: what bloody keys do that? |
| 23:12.02 | bathat | unless absolutely necessary |
| 23:12.03 | Muisje | peterS no other way possible? |
| 23:12.10 | bathat | or maybe after i know the debian one is reliable |
| 23:12.10 | peterS | Muisje: I'm not going to keep repeating mysefl |
| 23:12.12 | bathat | which i'm sure it is |
| 23:12.19 | fasta | Wyzard: you do know that standard Debian kernels work very slow with nvidia? |
| 23:12.23 | robin_sz | having upgraded to Etch, the text on my laptop looks all hrsh and rough edged .... |
| 23:12.23 | itchi | amphi: I have an Belgium keyb, azerty and when i press the numbers without shift |
| 23:12.30 | Wyzard | fasta: Why's that? |
| 23:12.38 | bathat | yeah, why's that, fasta ;) |
| 23:12.40 | fasta | Wyzard: they don't use NVAGP |
| 23:12.43 | lunitik | Right now I'm sylinking /usr/share/applications to my menu/System folder... messy, and has bad side effects (can't edit menu items) |
| 23:12.44 | robin_sz | does does Etch/xorg not have sub-pixel rendering? |
| 23:13.04 | peterS | robin_sz: I thought it did, but then again I don't have an LCD so I haven't tested |
| 23:13.07 | amphi | itchi: that is strange - they should presumably produce digits, even on a .be keyboard? |
| 23:13.09 | bathat | Wyzard: so which section should i follow at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers? |
| 23:13.13 | bathat | the stock kernel? |
| 23:13.18 | Wyzard | fasta: NVAGP is an option provided by nvidia.ko which you control from xorg.conf... afaik, the kernel itself has nothing to do with it |
| 23:13.25 | robin_sz | peterS, any idea how to enable it if its there? |
| 23:13.25 | fasta | Wyzard: wrong |
| 23:13.46 | itchi | amphi: No digi, just the local symbols, on an US keyb we not need to press shift, here with an Be we need it |
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| 23:13.52 | Wyzard | fasta: If you're thinking of the "nVidia AGP" option in the kernel config, that's not NVAGP, it's for AGP support on nForce chipsets |
| 23:13.57 | fasta | Wyzard: You can configure it, but when some generic agp is loaded it's not going to work. |
| 23:13.59 | peterS | robin_sz: not really, but there's a gnome control panel menu option for screen size and pixel depth and stuff, it might be in that applet |
| 23:14.07 | bathat | i don't have an agp slot anyway |
| 23:14.10 | bathat | pci |
| 23:14.15 | bathat | but i don't think that matters |
| 23:14.23 | amphi | itchi: accented letters and such? |
| 23:14.29 | itchi | amphi: Yeah |
| 23:14.29 | fasta | Wyzard: yes, and that should not be enabled, IIRC. |
| 23:14.30 | bathat | since it uses agpgart anyway |
| 23:14.32 | bathat | i've noticed |
| 23:14.37 | itchi | ´ |
| 23:14.42 | itchi | heh |
| 23:14.45 | Wyzard | fasta: Nonetheless, nvidia works fine for me using agpgart |
| 23:14.49 | fasta | It should not use apggart |
| 23:14.53 | amphi | itchi: did you try dpkg-reconfigure console-data? |
| 23:14.53 | Wyzard | fasta: Maybe some motherboards have problems with it, I dunno |
| 23:14.57 | fasta | Wyzard: what games do you play? |
| 23:15.00 | bathat | what exaclty is agpgart? |
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| 23:15.07 | amphi | itchi: assuming this happens in console |
| 23:15.09 | bathat | i could look at the kernel config |
| 23:15.13 | itchi | amphi: Strange because i not see it on screen(monitor) like it need it |
| 23:15.14 | robin_sz | maybe xorg doesnt have sub-pixel rendering then??? |
| 23:15.20 | enouf | graphics allocation runtime tables bathat |
| 23:15.28 | itchi | amphi: No, no in console :-( |
| 23:15.30 | robin_sz | will upgrading to Xfree86 be hard? |
| 23:15.30 | Wyzard | fasta: UT2004 -- that's actually on an Ubuntu box, not Debian, but they use agpgart too |
| 23:15.34 | bathat | oh wow, sounds fancy, ok ;) |
| 23:15.36 | amphi | itchi: huh? |
| 23:15.39 | itchi | amphi: Just in irssi with screen |
| 23:15.44 | fasta | Wyzard: ok, and what kind of framerates do you get? |
| 23:15.51 | itchi | amphi: Not tell me to take another tool hehe ;-) |
| 23:15.52 | enouf | bathat: agp you know right :-) |
| 23:15.54 | bathat | well, you guys have been a tremendous help, thanks very much |
| 23:16.00 | fasta | Wyzard: I got like 10 fps |
| 23:16.03 | amphi | itchi: oh, just with screen - it does it in X and console the same? |
| 23:16.10 | bathat | enouf: yep, i know agp |
| 23:16.10 | Wyzard | fasta: 40-50 typically |
| 23:16.16 | bathat | i use pci |
| 23:16.19 | bathat | still stuck with pci |
| 23:16.22 | itchi | amphi: In xterm, i can type what i want, and right |
| 23:16.28 | Wyzard | fasta: I don't remember offhand, and that box is booted to Windows right now (for Morrowind) so I can't check |
| 23:16.30 | amphi | itchi: irssi doesn't do it in console or xterm? |
| 23:16.30 | fasta | Wyzard: then I unloaded the module and I got 40-50 in the demo |
| 23:16.31 | itchi | amphi: Just here it happend |
| 23:16.37 | enouf | time to google for more about those bathat .. no prob :-) |
| 23:16.42 | fasta | Wyzard: In the real game I often get >150 fps |
| 23:16.47 | bathat | although i actually have two pci express slots on this server mobo i use as a desktop system |
| 23:16.52 | fasta | Wyzard: there's a _huge_ difference. |
| 23:16.56 | itchi | amphi: I dunno to be honnest; i have always use xterm and have never got some troubles with it |
| 23:16.57 | bathat | it's circa 2001 i think |
| 23:16.57 | amphi | itchi: so it's only irssi in screen, not, say, vim in screen? |
| 23:17.00 | bathat | intel stl2 |
| 23:17.09 | bathat | but i bought the card earlier before i had this mobo |
| 23:17.11 | bathat | bummer |
| 23:17.12 | fasta | Wyzard: what hardware? |
| 23:17.15 | enouf | bathat: agp is basically a PCI slot at twice the mhz .. 66 not 33 |
| 23:17.16 | itchi | amphi: Gona test it out, good tip :-) |
| 23:17.18 | dieb | Any idea for this error in Etch ? setfacl: tt: Function not implemented |
| 23:17.25 | bathat | yeah, i actually know that |
| 23:17.31 | Wyzard | fasta: What kind of video card is that? I got 100fps with a PCI-e 7600GS on a new Conroe system |
| 23:17.38 | bathat | and i think pci express runs at a much greater freq |
| 23:17.40 | amphi | itchi: yeah, it seems it's not clear yet where the problem is |
| 23:17.43 | fasta | Wyzard: 5900XT |
| 23:17.43 | Wyzard | fasta: The aforementioned Ubuntu box using agpgart has a 6200 in an AGP 4x slot |
| 23:17.45 | bathat | can't remember how fast |
| 23:17.46 | enouf | bathat: yeah a diedicated PCI card will be much slower |
| 23:17.50 | fasta | Wyzard: 2800+ Dual Channel |
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| 23:18.09 | bathat | still, my old motherboard had a i810 graphics chip |
| 23:18.14 | bathat | so it's a big improvement over that |
| 23:18.20 | fasta | Wyzard: so, a rather "slow" system these days, but everything works smootly :) |
| 23:18.21 | bathat | :) |
| 23:18.21 | enouf | has an Tnt2 Pro in an agp 2x slot :-P |
| 23:18.22 | Muisje | how can i prevent bash command read to not add a newline when i call up a read? i do want the enter key to be used for supplying the answer (disabling echo at all isn't an option) |
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| 23:18.39 | bathat | i'm really surprised they had pci express back in 2001 |
| 23:18.44 | bathat | amazing |
| 23:18.46 | itchi | amphi: It happend lesser, the characters works, but if i backspace, i can backspace the computername:~/foo/and/bar |
| 23:19.00 | bathat | it shows up in linux as pci express |
| 23:19.01 | itchi | amphi: Strange :-/ |
| 23:19.10 | Wyzard | fasta: You're saying you get 150fps in UT2004 with a 5900? |
| 23:19.13 | enouf | bathat: don't think so .. PCIe is in no way related to PCI, AGP, PCI-X |
| 23:19.16 | Wyzard | fasta: At what resolution and quality settings? |
| 23:19.25 | fasta | Wyzard: Everything as high as possible |
| 23:19.32 | Caelum | what could case a file to show up in ls, but cat <thefile> says there's no such file |
| 23:19.33 | fasta | Wyzard: 1600*1200 |
| 23:19.36 | bathat | enouf: /sys/bus/pci_express/ |
| 23:19.40 | Wyzard | fasta: I find that difficult to believe |
| 23:19.52 | enouf | bathat: hrmm .. not good with dates and time :-P |
| 23:20.01 | bathat | yeah |
| 23:20.03 | fasta | Wyzard: I say "often", sometimes it droppes to about 80. |
| 23:20.05 | bathat | i don't know |
| 23:20.07 | fasta | Wyzard: it's CPU bounded |
| 23:20.13 | fasta | er drops |
| 23:20.16 | Caelum | oh never mind, I was doing an ls on a directory |
| 23:20.21 | Caelum | !lart Caelum |
| 23:20.22 | amphi | itchi: you have some funky prompt full of escape sequences? |
| 23:20.23 | bathat | anyway, let me boot into my debian kernel |
| 23:20.28 | bathat | wee |
| 23:20.39 | enouf | bathat: then again .. it took a while for PCIe to take off since AGP users still had and still have some headromm using AGP 8x |
| 23:20.49 | bathat | true |
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| 23:20.55 | bathat | and this IS a server mobo |
| 23:21.01 | bathat | although i don't know why they'd need pcie |
| 23:21.02 | itchi | amphi: What mean you? I have an default username:~/foo/and/bar setup, i have not touch to that layout |
| 23:21.08 | fasta | Wyzard: I also have hardware accel. sound. |
| 23:21.11 | bathat | but it was pretty advanced for the time i'm sure |
| 23:21.12 | Wyzard | fasta: If it's CPU-bound then I'm less-surprised, because that gaming box is only 1.6GHz or so and doesn't have dual-channel RAM |
| 23:21.23 | amphi | itchi: what does echo PS1 show? |
| 23:21.33 | amphi | itchi: er, echo $PS1 |
| 23:21.37 | bathat | i'll be back |
| 23:21.49 | fasta | Wyzard: no sound processing for the CPU also helps |
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| 23:22.01 | itchi | amphi: In the same screen session in another window i pressume? |
| 23:22.06 | enouf | bathat: yes indeed .. totally NB and serialized .. wanna read more? go over to interfacebus.com |
| 23:22.14 | Wyzard | fasta: Well, the audio is Vorbis, and I doubt your sound card has a hardware Vorbis decoder... |
| 23:22.18 | enouf | hah |
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| 23:22.38 | itchi | amphi: ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\ |
| 23:22.54 | itchi | amphi: Without screen, i get somethings completely different |
| 23:22.58 | fasta | Wyzard: hmm, good point, still it lists as hardware accelerated. |
| 23:23.05 | itchi | amphi: \h:\w\$ |
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| 23:23.31 | grendal_prime | what ever happened to apt-setup? |
| 23:23.31 | grendal_prime | it does not exist in etch? |
| 23:23.31 | Wyzard | fasta: I'm sure it accelerates DSP stuff... just not the Vorbis decoding |
| 23:23.53 | fasta | Wyzard: oh, well I didn't mean it uses 0 CPU, just less. |
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| 23:23.58 | Wyzard | fasta: At any rate, I believe agpgart is preferred except in cases where it doesn't work... the default setting for the nVidia driver is to try agpgart first and then fall back to nvagp if agpgart fails |
| 23:24.05 | itchi | grendal_prime: See /msg dpkg apt-setup |
| 23:24.09 | amphi | itchi: that's odd |
| 23:24.17 | linopil | wow craigevil 700 ppl , no wonder ubuntu has also many ppl |
| 23:24.50 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm, myeah :-/ and some time it's shit to have it so |
| 23:24.59 | amphi | itchi: I get '%m%#' in both, as I would expect |
| 23:24.59 | fasta | Wyzard: The reason they do that is that it's not a matter of "falling back". |
| 23:25.35 | fasta | Wyzard: Well, I don't know the actual reason, but that's how I observe it. |
| 23:25.46 | amphi | itchi: did you look at /etc/screenrc? |
| 23:25.52 | enouf | grendal_prime: check that at packages.debian.org ? |
| 23:25.59 | g333k_work | Hi, how to assign dns by console? |
| 23:26.00 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.04 | amphi | itchi: you can set PS1 manually BTW |
| 23:26.06 | Wyzard | fasta: The readme just says "You should use the AGP module that works best with your AGP chipset" |
| 23:26.14 | enouf | grendal_prime: no preceding spaces |
| 23:26.14 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, that shorter was probably because i was as root user: as normal user without screen i get also ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 23:26.21 | Wyzard | fasta: In my experience agpgart works fine on most systems, but apparently you've found one where it doesn't |
| 23:26.30 | fasta | Wyzard: ok |
| 23:26.37 | amphi | itchi: *sigh* ;) |
| 23:26.56 | itchi | amphi: Meaby better that i not touch it myself ;-) Like i not know how to setup it right :-) |
| 23:27.10 | itchi | amphi: What's that PS1 var? |
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| 23:27.22 | amphi | itchi: but in both cases, it looks like $USER@$HOST:$CWD$ right? |
| 23:27.44 | itchi | amphi: Yes |
| 23:27.46 | amphi | itchi: the prompt - do PS1=foo for example |
| 23:27.47 | Wyzard | fasta: It shouldn't be necessary to compile a custom kernel just to use nvagp though... just blacklist agpgart, I'd imagine |
| 23:27.53 | buu | So hrm. What's the right way to install X these days? |
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| 23:28.00 | bathat | i'm back |
| 23:28.05 | bathat | stuck on irssi |
| 23:28.07 | fasta | Wyzard: I tested that. |
| 23:28.10 | itchi | amphi: Ow shit |
| 23:28.13 | fasta | Wyzard: didn't work out. |
| 23:28.14 | bathat | because i can't load nv or nvidia |
| 23:28.16 | amphi | itchi: ? |
| 23:28.18 | itchi | amphi: I wanted bar! |
| 23:28.21 | bathat | using the debian kernel |
| 23:28.23 | fasta | Wyzard: I was completely annoyed with Debian then. |
| 23:28.27 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
| 23:28.40 | Wyzard | bathat: You need to compile the nvidia kernel module again... it's built for a specific kernel |
| 23:28.49 | Wyzard | bathat: Use module-assistant, or make-kpkg directly if you prefer |
| 23:28.54 | bathat | ah, that's what i was thinking |
| 23:29.00 | bathat | ah yes |
| 23:29.01 | amphi | itchi: PS1=\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 23:29.14 | bathat | but the driver from nvidia doesn't work either |
| 23:29.24 | bathat | unless i have to reinstall that too |
| 23:29.25 | Wyzard | bathat: nvidia.ko *is* nVidia's driver |
| 23:29.26 | widrone | itchi: you get foo! :) |
| 23:29.27 | bathat | which i'm guessing i do |
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| 23:29.35 | itchi | amphi: that show as output u@h:w$ |
| 23:29.39 | Wyzard | bathat: You don't need to reinstall nvidia-glx, but nvidia-glx will not work unless nvidia.ko is loaded |
| 23:29.45 | itchi | widrone: I have set to bar now :-p |
| 23:29.52 | amphi | itchi: sorry, you need to put it in single quotes |
| 23:29.57 | amphi | itchi: PS1='\u@\h:\w\$' |
| 23:30.09 | itchi | amphi: okay :-) |
| 23:30.11 | Wyzard | bathat: (Well, it doesn't have to be *loaded* -- nvidia-glx will load it automatically if it isn't already -- but it needs to at least be possible to load it) |
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| 23:30.38 | amphi | itchi: after that, can you still backspace over the prompt? |
| 23:30.58 | admin_ | whats a light GUI browser? One that has full functionality of plugins (flash, java)? (So Dillo is out of question) |
| 23:30.59 | bathat | Wyzard: so i should run make-kpkg again |
| 23:31.05 | bathat | in linux-source-2.6.17 |
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| 23:31.34 | drmay | i want to be debianite, but i cant |
| 23:31.42 | bathat | it seems like the nv driver would at least work |
| 23:31.45 | itchi | amphi: Still the same |
| 23:31.53 | enouf | itchi: amphi .. wondering why doing the example in 'man setxkbmap' (namely $ setxkbmap -print us | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY) would return errors here .. or is this command completely unrelated to itchi's issues |
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| 23:32.20 | Wyzard | bathat: Yes, "nv" should at least work |
| 23:32.23 | enouf | admin_: there is none .. and for the reasons you want those stupid plugins |
| 23:32.35 | bathat | yeah, but it doesn't even work |
| 23:32.45 | Wyzard | bathat: The directory where you run make-kpkg determines what kernel it gets built for... linux-source-2.6.17 is where you built your custom kernel |
| 23:32.52 | bathat | wait nvm |
| 23:32.57 | bathat | it probably does |
| 23:32.58 | itchi | enouf: I not know |
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| 23:33.04 | enouf | admin_: if using Sid .. you can use links2 -g .. but otherwise firecrap / epiphany / opera maybe your only choices .. |
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| 23:33.04 | amphi | itchi: what error? |
| 23:33.06 | bathat | i had it loading nvidia instead of nv |
| 23:33.12 | Wyzard | bathat: To build it for the kernel you're using now, install linux-headers-`uname -r` and build in the directory that that provides |
| 23:33.20 | enouf | itchi: me neither :-P |
| 23:33.24 | bathat | oh ok |
| 23:33.26 | Wyzard | bathat: (Or use module-assistant, which will install the necessary packages automatically) |
| 23:33.30 | amphi | enouf: I didn't know about that ;) |
| 23:33.45 | bathat | use m-a to get the kernel-headers? |
| 23:33.48 | enouf | amphi: :-) .. just found it when looking to help itchi |
| 23:34.10 | Wyzard | bathat: yeah, I'm pretty sure it installs them as part of the "prepare" step |
| 23:34.15 | enouf | amphi: but I obviously have no idea what I'm dioing in that regard :-p |
| 23:34.18 | itchi | Gona pastebin the output |
| 23:34.24 | bathat | yeah, the nv driver loads fine |
| 23:34.30 | bathat | ok cool |
| 23:34.35 | itchi | hehm my keyb is in qwerty now |
| 23:34.42 | amphi | itchi: you don't say ;) |
| 23:34.43 | bathat | will try that |
| 23:34.46 | fasta | Open-source drivers generally work. |
| 23:35.00 | amphi | itchi: so that command worked? |
| 23:35.08 | itchi | amphi: It have just changed, i dunno why |
| 23:35.12 | Flimzy | For a development machine, if I set up a UML box with LVM, would it be easy to create a disk snapshot of one of the virtual systems, f* it up, and rever to the snapshot very quickly, so we can retest stuff over and over again? |
| 23:35.18 | itchi | aphid yes |
| 23:35.20 | amphi | itchi: you ran enouf's command? |
| 23:35.23 | itchi | sorry for the ;ess |
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| 23:35.29 | peterS | Flimzy: should be possible |
| 23:35.37 | itchi | oz zqith it4s ;esses |
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| 23:35.54 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I don't have experience with UML, but FWIW, VMware can do that easily too |
| 23:36.05 | bathat | i'm not seeing the kernel-headers in m-a |
| 23:36.06 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I think VMware would be overkill |
| 23:36.09 | Flimzy | not to mention slow |
| 23:36.11 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 23:36.17 | itchi | i become crazy now, realy |
| 23:36.22 | bathat | i have the headers for 2.6.18 |
| 23:36.25 | Flimzy | peterS, Have you ever used UML? |
| 23:36.31 | Wyzard | Flimzy: It's not all that slow, but overkill, maybe... it even lets you have multiple snapshots in a sort of hierarchial tree |
| 23:36.39 | itchi | amphi: I try to pastebin it |
| 23:36.45 | peterS | Flimzy: no, actually. these days people are using xen instead of uml, I'm not sure what the advantages are. you might ask goerzen about that, he's done some pretty interesting xen stuff for his company |
| 23:37.00 | bathat | why shouldn't i just get the headers with the apt-get |
| 23:37.01 | bathat | ? |
| 23:37.04 | Flimzy | peterS: good to know. I'll check that out before I impliment anything. |
| 23:37.10 | amphi | itchi: if you did that command you should be able to do it again, substituting 'be' or 'fr' for 'us', perhaps |
| 23:37.12 | itchi | A bit shit, keybindings messed and ussing another keyb |
| 23:37.19 | Wyzard | bathat: You can if you want to... I just suggested doing it from m-a as a simplifying step |
| 23:37.34 | Wyzard | bathat: but the headers aren't a module in the list of available modules... they're part of the "prepare" step, I think |
| 23:37.36 | bathat | yeah, i would, but i don't see it there |
| 23:37.40 | slept | bathat, it does the same - m-a prepare |
| 23:37.47 | bathat | oh ok |
| 23:38.00 | itchi | amphi: Giona try itm get so;e troubles here now ? that previous trouble zith the messed console too |
| 23:38.08 | Flimzy | I hope it's easy to run a different deb distro on the slave virtual environment |
| 23:38.11 | Flimzy | s/deb/linux |
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| 23:38.22 | Cooner750 | Hello all |
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| 23:38.29 | itchi | YES! |
| 23:38.30 | bathat | oh, i see |
| 23:38.34 | itchi | It's near right agaibn |
| 23:38.36 | itchi | ow |
| 23:38.43 | bathat | just type m-a prepare and it gets the correct headers |
| 23:38.43 | bathat | cool |
| 23:38.48 | amphi | itchi: 'be' or 'fr'? |
| 23:39.07 | bathat | that's most convenient |
| 23:39.19 | bathat | man, you guys sure do know your stuff |
| 23:39.21 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Xen's tools have automated support for installing Debian, Fedora, and (I think) FreeBSD... for anything else I guess you'll have to manually use that distro's equivalent of debootstrap |
| 23:39.21 | Cooner750 | I installed the JDK, and compiled the Beta of Limewire and copied it to /opt/limewire. When I go into the terminal and run: cd /opt/limewire/gui, and then ./run, it will work. But why can I not put a launcher button on the Panel to: /opt/limewire/gui/run, but nothing happens? Help? |
| 23:39.23 | bathat | i thought i knew quite a bit |
| 23:39.40 | Flimzy | Wyzard: We have a customized version of FC3... |
| 23:39.45 | bathat | so i just do a make-kpkg in the resultant headers dir? |
| 23:39.52 | Flimzy | Wyzard: But I imagine we could copy a working FS from a "real" box and drop it in place, no? |
| 23:40.02 | Wyzard | bathat: yes, or use m-a to build too :-) |
| 23:40.05 | bathat | make-kpkg modules_image? |
| 23:40.07 | Cooner750 | Then again I could create a shell script I suppose |
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| 23:40.22 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Probably, but you'd also need to install a Xen-enabled kernel into the chroot afterward |
| 23:40.25 | bathat | or no |
| 23:40.35 | Wyzard | bathat: Yes, that's correct |
| 23:40.35 | Flimzy | Wyzard: shouldn't be hard. |
| 23:40.37 | itchi | amphi, enouf : http://pastebin.ca/251284 |
| 23:40.48 | itchi | Heh, sorry for the previous mess ;-) |
| 23:40.51 | bathat | what about if i use m-a to install nvidia-kernel? |
| 23:40.58 | bathat | i'm correct, woohoo |
| 23:41.02 | itchi | amphi: I have be here |
| 23:41.13 | lunitik | bathat, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel ... voila |
| 23:41.22 | amphi | itchi: why do you not answer questions? did you use enouf's command to switch back, and if so, did you use 'be' or 'fr'? |
| 23:41.26 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Or add your custom distro as a target for the automated tools... you can do that by adding some lines to a certain config file, I believe, though I don't remmeber what the file is |
| 23:41.26 | bathat | what's the a-i part do? |
| 23:41.27 | itchi | amphi: But switching ot us, mess up the whole thing, like i have some troubles with the keybindings there ... |
| 23:41.39 | Flimzy | Wyzard: cool. I'll probably tackle that monday morning. |
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| 23:41.50 | itchi | amphi: With the be keybe, i now know near which one mess it up, not with us |
| 23:41.51 | amphi | itchi: is the .be keyb layout different than the .fr? |
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| 23:42.06 | itchi | amphi: Yes, some little diff |
| 23:42.09 | bathat | ah, auto-install |
| 23:42.10 | bathat | got it |
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| 23:42.26 | itchi | amphi: Have i messed an question to reply? |
| 23:42.33 | itchi | amphi: arg, missed |
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| 23:42.39 | enouf | amphi: I'm having trouble understanding itchi .. my errors are something like this : syntax error: line 1 of pc : last scanned symbol is: -VMode : Error: Error interpreting include file "pc" : Exiting .. but my locales are likely much diff than yours itchi |
| 23:42.44 | Wyzard | Flimzy: as I understand it, that config file just maps names (like "etch" or whatever) to setup scripts, so you could probably adapt the FC6 one into a new entry for your custom FC3 |
| 23:42.56 | itchi | enouf: Sorry ;-) |
| 23:43.01 | lunitik | bathat, you can also do 'm-a a-i alli' if you duno what the module is called.... but thats a pita cuz it takes forever |
| 23:43.02 | amphi | enouf: I haven't looked yet ;) |
| 23:43.03 | Cooner750 | Fixed it myself. :P I created a shell script that said to "cd /opt/limewire/gui" and then "./run" and it works now. |
| 23:43.05 | bathat | lunitik: seems to be working great |
| 23:43.20 | bathat | i saw that as an option in the manpage |
| 23:43.29 | Wyzard | bathat: m-a has an interactive mode, btw, if you run it without arguments |
| 23:43.45 | lunitik | bathat, still have to load the module in /etc/modules .... right now it won't be doing much |
| 23:43.50 | bathat | yeah, this is accomplishing the same thing as doing make-kpkg modules_install and installing that way |
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| 23:44.07 | Wyzard | bathat: yep... it's just a convenient frontend to that process |
| 23:44.08 | bathat | ok, so just add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules |
| 23:44.11 | bathat | so that it will load on boot |
| 23:44.13 | itchi | Maybe best that i take an set of us stickers for the keyboard?? |
| 23:44.20 | bathat | it's genius |
| 23:44.24 | enouf | itchi: please listen to others .. I appear to be only misconfiguring your layout .. but you should also be careful before running any commands if you don't know what they'll do |
| 23:44.35 | Wyzard | bathat: and you don't actually have to add nvidia to /etc/modules -- it'll be loaded automaticaly by the xorg driver |
| 23:44.37 | enouf | itchi: you're funny |
| 23:44.41 | bathat | i've used it before but i didn't know how powerful it was |
| 23:44.45 | itchi | enouf: I hope so ;-) |
| 23:44.46 | bathat | ok |
| 23:44.48 | Wyzard | bathat: (There's no harm in adding it to /etc/modules, but you don't need to) |
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| 23:45.12 | itchi | enouf: I'm not realy understand your big reply, or at least know what i need to do to solve it |
| 23:45.26 | lunitik | Wyzard, fglrx isn't loaded automagically :( |
| 23:45.41 | itchi | enouf: I have not change some config things about that. It's an default (brand new) setup :-/ |
| 23:45.54 | bathat | i cannot believe it |
| 23:45.56 | bathat | it WORKS! |
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| 23:46.04 | amphi | itchi: it seems like the keymap is broken perhaps; do you see such messages when you load 'fr' for example? |
| 23:46.06 | muh2000 | debian mirrors down ? |
| 23:46.07 | Wyzard | lunitik: That's surprising... but hopefully AMD will open-source that driver and then the community can fix it :-) |
| 23:46.12 | bathat | so this whole time it seems the kernel was at fault |
| 23:46.17 | itchi | amphi: How i load that? |
| 23:46.20 | bathat | i shouldh've been using the debian kernel |
| 23:46.22 | lunitik | Wyzard, indeed... fingers crossed :) |
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| 23:46.29 | bathat | this channel is the best, thanks all |
| 23:46.37 | bathat | woah |
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| 23:46.44 | lunitik | Wyzard, Had little choice... old box died... :/ |
| 23:46.50 | bathat | it seems the artifacts are gone now, too |
| 23:47.19 | n2aag | bleh.. does anyone have a good grasp on the current situation with nvidia-glx in testing? |
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| 23:47.34 | muh2000 | strange my installer cant connect to debian mirrors except security.debian...... |
| 23:47.35 | LeonWP | hi |
| 23:47.36 | n2aag | and any possible workarounds.. |
| 23:47.39 | Wyzard | bathat: I've seen artifacts (though not of the kind you describe) with nVidia on one box, but I think it's a hardware-related issue with that particular motherboard |
| 23:47.45 | itchi | amphi: Its with setxkbmap? Like i read the man of it |
| 23:47.46 | LeonWP | where does apt-get source put the source of the package? |
| 23:47.55 | bathat | Wyzard: that's entirely possible |
| 23:48.01 | Wyzard | LeonWP: current directory |
| 23:48.06 | LeonWP | ah... |
| 23:48.11 | LeonWP | that was too easy :) |
| 23:48.12 | enouf | itchi: amphi xmodmap? .. itchi which locales arte you using .. |
| 23:48.15 | bathat | but i think the debian nvidia driver is working glitch-free |
| 23:48.17 | bathat | so far |
| 23:48.23 | enouf | !tell itchi about xmodmap |
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| 23:48.50 | itchi | enouf: Euuhmm, now you ask me somethings. How can i get know about that? |
| 23:49.06 | amphi | enouf: he shouldn't need that, I don't think; the 'be' keymap should work |
| 23:49.14 | n2aag | bathat: are you having a glitch-free experience in tesing or unstable? |
| 23:49.19 | enouf | itchi: man xmodmap for starters .. typing locale in the prompt will list yours |
| 23:49.21 | itchi | Heh, is that because i have another keyboard layout on that other computer? |
| 23:49.27 | bathat | spoke too soon... the artifacts are still there |
| 23:49.35 | bathat | n2aag: etch |
| 23:49.52 | bathat | it must be my hardware |
| 23:49.55 | itchi | enouf: Need you the output of the laptop, of the remote computer? |
| 23:50.01 | enouf | itchi: for ex: here --> ~$ locale |
| 23:50.01 | enouf | LANG=en_US |
| 23:50.10 | bathat | but i've tried this card in windows when it was still installed |
| 23:50.16 | bathat | and i don't remember any artifacts |
| 23:50.18 | bathat | so idk |
| 23:50.23 | enouf | itchi: and much more .. only pastbin those though if you want to |
| 23:50.28 | itchi | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/251299 |
| 23:50.29 | muh2000 | i am installing debian-31r3-amd64 right now and apt cant connect the debian mirrors. the computer can ping the hosts though... :/ |
| 23:50.31 | Wyzard | bathat: Try it in another box |
| 23:50.37 | n2aag | weird.. I can't even satisfy all of the dependencies to get nvidia-glx working again on this box.. |
| 23:51.00 | itchi | enouf: That's the output of the laptop. But i guess it on the remote computer that it is the trouble?? Gona pastebin it also |
| 23:51.09 | enouf | itchi: i can see how having multipe xmodmaps may muck up the settings for each keyboard |
| 23:51.09 | bathat | well, i have my old system |
| 23:51.12 | n2aag | I was persuaded to remove it at some point during the xf86/xorg package transition.. |
| 23:51.13 | bathat | i'll try it in there sometime later |
| 23:51.23 | bathat | also, nvidia-settings can't display glx info |
| 23:51.29 | bathat | so nvidia-glx isn't working |
| 23:51.34 | n2aag | and now it's not even available |
| 23:51.46 | n2aag | ah |
| 23:51.55 | n2aag | old system |
| 23:52.02 | itchi | enouf: That's of the remote computer where screen+irssi is running on http://pastebin.ca/251301 |
| 23:52.39 | bathat | but maybe someone can help me with that later |
| 23:52.45 | itchi | Problem is that on the remote computer i have an qwerty keyboar, laptop is azerty |
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| 23:53.20 | amphi | azerty 8snort* |
| 23:53.23 | vezult | is it possible to add a 2nd hard drive (identical size, etc) and convert the existing drive into part of a raid 1 array, without reinstalling? |
| 23:53.26 | amphi | er, *snort* ;) |
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| 23:53.33 | bathat | feel free to send me a pm with any ideas |
| 23:53.34 | enouf | itchi: dunno at all (especially remote vs local with xmodmaps and such).. but if you want .. maybe dpk-reconfigure locale and set the remote to UTF-8 ?? |
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| 23:53.42 | Wyzard | vezult: Probably, but it'd be tricky |
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| 23:54.09 | itchi | enouf: Gona do it, i need to learn about these locales, looks strange for me |
| 23:54.23 | amphi | itchi: ssh is involved in this mess now? |
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| 23:54.48 | vezult | Wyzard: so it's nothing as easy as fiddling with the parition types, and setting up my mdadm.conf correctly then? |
| 23:54.49 | itchi | amphi: Yes |
| 23:55.01 | itchi | amphi: I always do an ssh to my main box |
| 23:55.11 | Wyzard | vezult: The RAID metadata gets written to a superblock at the end of each component device, so you'll want to shrink your filesystem slightly to avoid having the end of it overwritten |
| 23:55.17 | amphi | itchi: and only then do you have this problem? |
| 23:55.49 | muh2000 | where can i lookup a source.list for apt ? |
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| 23:55.53 | itchi | amphi: I have then more troubles, if play local, i have only that backspace trouble |
| 23:55.55 | simon23 | hello, is here someone who can give me an explanation why aptitude wants to delete all of my KDE files when i only marked mozilla-chatzilla for uninstall !!!?? i heard that aptitude sould be better than apt-get. but why is it only doing crap !? |
| 23:55.57 | Wyzard | vezult: To be conservative I'd shrink it by something like 50MB, then remount it through the md device rather than the raw partition, and expand it to fill the device |
| 23:56.06 | itchi | amphi: Maybe i have 2 troubles in 1 at the same time?? |
| 23:56.13 | itchi | amphi: It's not yet clear for me |
| 23:56.15 | enouf | itchi: azerty .. ugh ... maybe it's dpkg-reconfigure locales <-- plural .. also note the global env variable is set in /etc/environment . cat /etc/environment to see .. but plz review the various man pages first .. you may be able to have it "your way" without mucking with other settings .. dunno |
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| 23:56.31 | totolezero | salut les geeks |
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| 23:56.53 | simon23 | now i just remembered that it destroyed my whole system once . |
| 23:56.56 | Wyzard | Find the "kde" package in aptitude... does it have an 'A' to the left of the package name? |
| 23:57.01 | vezult | Wyzard: hmm. that doesn't sound too terribly difficult...though theory is always easier than reality ;o) |
| 23:57.05 | amphi | itchi: it certainly isn't to me; you haven't described the problem to me in a way that I understand, in any case; I had no idea ssh was involved, for example |
| 23:57.18 | vezult | Wyzard: thanks. |
| 23:57.31 | Wyzard | vezult: It'd be a good idea to have a backup, of course... but at least you're doing simple mirroring, and not striping |
| 23:57.37 | simon23 | all files that should be removed have an idA left of the name |
| 23:57.39 | totolezero | de quoi ça cause ici ? |
| 23:57.54 | itchi | amphi: Yup, probably i have tell it wrong, not so easy this trouble, and strange |
| 23:57.55 | lumpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.56 | vezult | Wyzard: yeah, there's no way I could imagine it working with striping. |
| 23:58.00 | Wyzard | simon23: Select the KDE package and press '+' to mark it to stay installed... the rest will stay installed too |
| 23:58.01 | amphi | itchi: the remote keymap should make no difference to an ssh session |
| 23:58.08 | itchi | amphi: Gone just tryout first that last sugestion of enouf first |
| 23:58.11 | amphi | itchi: ;) |
| 23:58.14 | simon23 | Wyzard: thanks.. |
| 23:58.17 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm |
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| 23:58.22 | Wyzard | simon23: The 'A' means "automatically installed to satisfy dependencies" -- such packages will be marked for removal when nothing depends on them anymore |
| 23:58.26 | totolezero | dou bi doud |
| 23:58.39 | Wyzard | simon23: You can toggle that 'A' flag on and off with 'M' and 'm', btw |
| 23:58.53 | amphi | itchi: although what happens if one is utf8 and one not I don't know |
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| 23:59.14 | bloeck | does someone in here know how to remove write acess only for www-data ??? |
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| 23:59.17 | Wyzard | simon23: so you mark the "kde" package to be kept even though nothing else depends on it, and it holds all the other packages there as deps |
| 23:59.43 | chupie | ok im having problems configuring XFree on my mac, every time i configure it and start x, it the monitor turns off.. i've tried like 10 different configurations.. still nothing |
| 23:59.47 | itchi | amphi: I dunno, to be honnest, these locales things is new for me |
| 23:59.49 | simon23 | Wyzard: unfortunately that didnt work. |
