| 00:00.07 | Wyzard | simon23: Pressing '+' on the kde package didn't work? |
| 00:00.19 | muh2000 | why the hell is no debian mirror working? all the time 404 not found .... |
| 00:00.24 | Wyzard | simon23: Does it still show the 'A' ? |
| 00:00.30 | bloeck | does someone in here know how to remove write acess only for www-data ??? |
| 00:00.34 | simon23 | Wyzard: no - i searched that package, pressed + and the colour changed... |
| 00:00.40 | Wyzard | muh2000: They do seem to be pretty slow to update lately |
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| 00:00.57 | enouf | vezult: you're not using mdadm yet? .. and you have one drivee, want to add antoher identical and create a raid1 array using both ? |
| 00:00.57 | Wyzard | simon23: And it still wants to remove other things? |
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| 00:01.07 | eduhat | hey guys |
| 00:01.43 | Wyzard | simon23: Keeping kde installed should hold most of the stuff, but you might have some other KDE applications installed that aren't depended upon by "kde"... just mark those to keep too |
| 00:01.50 | itchi | Need i to do sometings to reload the locales, or for that take effect? |
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| 00:02.00 | bheron | Hey. |
| 00:02.04 | eduhat | how do i uninstall mozilla, and install firefox? |
| 00:02.12 | simon23 | Wyzard: kde still has an "i A" left of the name. |
| 00:02.12 | itchi | I have select that US utf thing there in dpkg-reconfigure locales and have set it to default |
| 00:02.22 | bheron | Jeez the guys in #SuSE just can't take negative feedback about this stupid MS-Novell stuff. |
| 00:02.29 | enouf | itchi: shouldn't need to but your remote session/shell may need to be restarted |
| 00:02.36 | tarzeau | bheron: heh :) |
| 00:02.37 | Wyzard | simon23: hmm... press 'm' and the 'A' should go away, though '+' should've done that already |
| 00:02.46 | tarzeau | bheron: they are suse, not novell. and they're fine usually |
| 00:02.52 | bheron | tarzeau, they nearly kicked me twice. |
| 00:03.04 | itchi | enouf: Okay, thanks for that crazy support ;-) You too amphi You got an truck full with beer |
| 00:03.20 | tarzeau | bheron: who? |
| 00:03.25 | enouf | \o/ |
| 00:03.27 | simon23 | Wyzard: will try that too... otherwise i will press + on all packages i want too keep... |
| 00:03.32 | bheron | yaloki |
| 00:03.37 | Phated | bheron: Possibly because they're Suse, not Novell, and are sick of being given "feedback" on something they didn't do. |
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| 00:03.51 | bheron | Phated, SuSE is owned by Novell. |
| 00:03.58 | muh2000 | Wyzard erm update? i cant connect them. no german no us no china, no chile no russia. i cant connect a single server except security.debian.org... i can ping hosts from the same machine but no apt-get. i just need a up to date sources.list and there is somehow a lack of information about where to get in google... |
| 00:04.01 | itchi | ow ow ow |
| 00:04.04 | bathat | omg, the debian nvidia driver is slow |
| 00:04.06 | simon23 | Wyzard: just to mention, he wants to keep many kde files , but he still wants to delete the desktop-base package :-) |
| 00:04.09 | Wyzard | simon23: That's a good idea to do... that way aptitude knows which packages are installed because *you* specifically want them installed, and which are there only because something else depends on them |
| 00:04.11 | bathat | of course, it's not loading glx |
| 00:04.22 | tarzeau | bathat: it's the x nvidia driver |
| 00:04.22 | Phated | Novell representatives, however, are NOT usually on the Suse IRC channels, as Novell makes considerably MORE products than simply Suse. |
| 00:04.25 | bheron | Phated, anyway... I'm switching to debian this weekend, so thepoint is relatively moot. |
| 00:04.27 | itchi | "'§{{[{}\\!çà)-)-!è§( test |
| 00:04.28 | itchi | yes |
| 00:04.32 | tarzeau | bathat: debian usually doesn't write software, or drivers |
| 00:04.36 | bathat | i'm getting the same thing now as i was with the prop driver |
| 00:04.37 | itchi | amphi, enouf : Looks like solved now |
| 00:04.37 | bheron | Phated, yes I know. |
| 00:04.43 | Wyzard | bathat: Are you talking about the open-source "nv" driver? |
| 00:04.43 | bathat | my x server just froze |
| 00:04.53 | bathat | it started to react very slowly |
| 00:05.02 | bathat | and stopped accepting commands |
| 00:05.04 | bheron | Phated, but the MS-Novell deal was all about MS's belief that Linux infringes on it's patents. |
| 00:05.05 | enouf | itchi: really ? .. ya got me .. hehe |
| 00:05.16 | bathat | also, i still have the libGL.so.1 problem |
| 00:05.16 | Phated | bheron: And #suse are probably sick for being mistaken for an official Novell channel, or someone who gives a damn about what people think about the Novell-MS thing. |
| 00:05.23 | bathat | the same thing i was getting with the nv driver |
| 00:05.27 | bheron | Phated, why else would there be royalties? |
| 00:05.28 | itchi | YEAH, it works right, coooool |
| 00:05.30 | Wyzard | muh2000: hmm... I can at least connect to my mirrors just fine |
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| 00:05.36 | bathat | it can't find it and it's not there |
| 00:05.39 | enouf | !win itchi |
| 00:05.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, itchi! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 00:05.43 | bathat | but that might be for the same glx reason |
| 00:05.44 | eduhat | how could i delete mozilla and install firefox? |
| 00:05.52 | itchi | amphi, enouf : Thanks mate, that was that locale that was not the same it's looks |
| 00:05.57 | bathat | Wyzard: nope, i'm using the nvidia driver |
| 00:06.05 | bathat | nvidia-kernel |
| 00:06.05 | Phated | bheron: Again, irrelevant. #suse was not the place to bring it up. For one, they might actually <shrug> want to do Suse support/discussion instead of corporate dickwaving. |
| 00:06.06 | enouf | yeah .. I see accented characters in your recent paste of the prompt output |
| 00:06.38 | itchi | Yeah and some special keys that was not working, works now :-) |
| 00:06.47 | itchi | ùµè |
| 00:06.50 | Phated | bheron: You're probably being attempted-kicked for being offtopic, not for the topic of discussion or the fact that you don't like the deal that MS and Novell cut. |
| 00:06.56 | itchi | And it shows right too ^^ |
| 00:07.09 | muh2000 | Wyzard: sry i meant the server responses: 404 file not found. (it is for me the same as cant connect). is there a debian site for up to date sources.list ? |
| 00:07.10 | bheron | Phated, okay... so Novell owns SuSE and the agreement was all about SuSE, but yet #suse is not the right place to bring it up. :) |
| 00:07.14 | bheron | Phated, gotcha. |
| 00:07.22 | Wyzard | muh2000: Are you running unstable? |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | bheron: neither is #debian :) |
| 00:07.49 | enouf | itchi: yes .. UTF-8 usues multi-byte character encodings .. visit wikipedia et al to learn more :-) here's a start http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/learn/learn-to-test.html |
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| 00:07.51 | itchi | Still need to know what's that locale stuff, not realy understand that 100% |
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| 00:08.00 | Wyzard | bathat: Does /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 exist on your system? |
| 00:08.04 | Cooner750 | Is anyone here a Limewire expert? |
| 00:08.05 | bheron | abrotman, I was talking about how they're hypersensitive. |
| 00:08.05 | itchi | enouf: Thanks :-) |
| 00:08.07 | simon23 | Wyzard: sorry - do you maybe have a website that explains all the tags like idA,iu,i and stuff (for the packages in aptitude) ? that would help a lot to get used to it, since i always used apt-get before..., |
| 00:08.08 | Cooner750 | I've got a weird issue |
| 00:08.12 | amphi | itchi: what did you do? |
| 00:08.13 | muh2000 | Wyzard: i installed this cd iso: debian-31r3-amd64-binary-1.iso and chose "stable" before selecting a mirror |
| 00:08.19 | abrotman | bheron: i'm sure they are .. but it's also not relevant here :) |
| 00:08.21 | enouf | itchi: en.wikipedia.org .. search UTF-8 :-) |
| 00:08.22 | Cooner750 | On one user account, it will connect. On the other, it will not. .... |
| 00:08.24 | bheron | abrotman, Phated was the one talking about the deal itself. I never mentioned it. |
| 00:08.40 | Wyzard | muh2000: ok, you're not running unstable... in that case I don't know |
| 00:08.40 | bheron | At least not in detail. |
| 00:08.41 | abrotman | bheron: okay .. discussion over (for me anyways) |
| 00:08.46 | bheron | agreed. |
| 00:08.56 | enouf | itchi: no prob :-] |
| 00:09.00 | bheron | I'm switching to debian anyway. |
| 00:09.02 | itchi | amphi: Just did dpkg-reconfigure locales and have set to US utf somethings (there's only one choice) on the remote computer (main computer), restart the ssh session on the laptop and; done |
| 00:09.05 | Wyzard | simon23: I don't know of a website with aptitude docs offhand, but "man aptitude" should help |
| 00:09.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you say something nice about gnustep |
| 00:09.22 | amphi | itchi: good-oh |
| 00:09.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: it doesn't kill people ? |
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| 00:09.28 | Cooner750 | Could my problem have anything to do with permissions? I guess the only way to find out is to run it in the terminal and watch the output |
| 00:09.28 | muh2000 | Wyzard could it be that debian moved the place of the files for debian-31r3-amd64 stable ? |
| 00:09.37 | amphi | itchi: what locale was in use before? |
| 00:09.38 | Wyzard | muh2000: For a stable release, not likely |
| 00:09.39 | Phated | bheron: Because -Novell-, NOT Suse, made the decision. #suse is not affiliated with Novell, nor do they (largely) have ANY fucking say in what Novell decides to do with Suse. |
| 00:09.43 | tarzeau | bheron: see, this place is great :) |
| 00:09.44 | itchi | amphi: Maybe try to setup another locale on an remote computer :-) You get some headaches haha |
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| 00:09.56 | Wyzard | muh2000: You might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 00:09.57 | bheron | Phated, I already agreed to drop it. |
| 00:10.01 | amphi | itchi: and wht have different keymaps? why not .be on both? |
| 00:10.12 | vanquish | hey all. I removed gcc from a system, and it took apt, apt-utils with it. How do fix this? |
| 00:10.13 | simon23 | Wyzard: okay thanks, i just thought a website would be better because i could use CTRL+F to find info - i cant do that on the shell :-/ |
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| 00:10.28 | bheron | Phated, are you done? |
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| 00:10.30 | simon23 | Wyzard: but a big THANKS ! for your help. |
| 00:10.37 | Wyzard | simon23: Use '/' to do a string search in man |
| 00:10.42 | enouf | amphi: he had UTF-8 locally and EN_US;EN_GB, or something on the remote |
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| 00:10.59 | amphi | enouf: ah ;) |
| 00:10.59 | Phated | bheron: Sorry, was backlogged. I decided to at least finish responding, since you seem to not understand why #suse wasn't the place to discuss or feed-back on the deal. |
| 00:11.06 | simon23 | Wyzard: wow, I didn't know that that works!.. |
| 00:11.07 | itchi | amphi: Eeuuhhm, yeah, that's an questin, i need to wake up my light and need to read many stuff before i think. I not know about that locales thing. On the remote computer i use the US keybaord and language :-) Here on the laptop too, just the keyboard that differ |
| 00:11.09 | muh2000 | wyzard k thnx. didnt know there was a debian 64 ^^ |
| 00:11.24 | bheron | Phated, I understand your point fine. |
| 00:11.24 | bathat | libGL.so.1 is supposed to be linked to, say, libGL.so.8776 |
| 00:11.36 | Wyzard | bathat: yes |
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| 00:11.41 | itchi | amphi: Is that utf thing not good? |
| 00:11.41 | Phated | In the same way a bat understands letters on a chalkboard. |
| 00:11.42 | abrotman | Cooner750: afaik .. the only p2p app in debian is gtk-gnutella |
| 00:11.44 | bathat | and when i was using nvidia-installer, it worked |
| 00:11.49 | amphi | itchi: there's no need to have a keymap match the key labels ;) |
| 00:11.49 | bathat | but the nv driver didn't |
| 00:11.53 | vanquish | hey all. I removed gcc from a system, and it took apt, apt-utils with it. How do fix this? |
| 00:11.53 | Phated | But yes, I'm done. |
| 00:11.57 | bathat | now the debian nvidia driver doesn't either |
| 00:12.11 | amphi | itchi: no, utf-8 is good ;) |
| 00:12.14 | enouf | itchi: I'd say so .. especially for funky characters :-) |
| 00:12.18 | abrotman | vanquish: why did you do that ? |
| 00:12.34 | abrotman | and i really doubt apt depends on gcc |
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| 00:12.39 | bathat | in fact, there is no libGL.so.1, just a .so |
| 00:12.42 | vanquish | abrotman: was creating a minimal "rescue" partition, and didn't see the need to include gcc in that |
| 00:12.46 | bathat | which is linked to *.8776 |
| 00:12.48 | XrMb2 | anyone familiar with virtualhosts and proftpd? |
| 00:12.49 | Cooner750 | If gtk-gnutella was not so complicated, I'd use it |
| 00:12.56 | bheron | Phated, you had to be an ass, right? |
| 00:12.56 | abrotman | vanquish: you removed libgcc1 didn't you ? |
| 00:13.04 | vanquish | abrotman: :( yes |
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| 00:13.10 | itchi | Yeah, because i not know about it ;-) And when we not know about it, it can look so complicated while it's so simply |
| 00:13.10 | bheron | Phated, had to say some bullshit. |
| 00:13.11 | bathat | but when i try to play a video, let's say, i get an error related to libGL |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | vanquish: that's a bit different than gcc .. bad idea |
| 00:13.20 | abrotman | vanquish: is dpkg still installed ? |
| 00:13.25 | vanquish | abrotman: yes |
| 00:13.27 | bathat | error while loading shared lib |
| 00:13.27 | Phated | bheron: <shrug> I thought you were dropping it. Maybe not. Whatever. I am. |
| 00:13.38 | abrotman | vanquish: do you have your install media on CD ? |
| 00:13.43 | Cooner750 | Ok, I am so confused |
| 00:13.47 | bheron | Phated, I had and you had to make the stupid comment about "like a bat" |
| 00:13.50 | Wyzard | bathat: You don't need libGL.so (without the .1) for running OpenGL programs, and unless you've installed nvidia-glx-dev, it should not be there |
| 00:13.54 | vanquish | abrotman: you mean like a netinstall disk? |
| 00:13.57 | abrotman | Cooner750: gtk-gnutella is pretty damn easy |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | vanquish: yes |
| 00:14.05 | Phated | Aww, poor widdle bheron doesn't know how to use /ig. |
| 00:14.08 | Wyzard | bathat: nvidia-installer probably left that behind |
| 00:14.09 | bathat | Wyzard: i have |
| 00:14.15 | bheron | Phated, fuck you. |
| 00:14.21 | Phated | Hahahahahahaha. |
| 00:14.25 | abrotman | bheron: drop it |
| 00:14.32 | bheron | abrotman, it was. |
| 00:14.35 | Wyzard | bathat: Anyway, if you don't have libGL.so.1, your nvidia-glx installation is broken... remove it and reinstall it |
| 00:14.41 | vanquish | abrotman: i do |
| 00:14.42 | abrotman | bheron: i mean the whole conversation |
| 00:14.43 | bathat | ok |
| 00:15.23 | abrotman | vanquish: stick the CD in .. mount it .. and find the packages you need and install what you need to get apt-get back |
| 00:15.35 | Wyzard | bathat: That's another one of the files that was diverted so there may have been a mixup there |
| 00:15.35 | bathat | wow, dependency problems |
| 00:15.38 | vanquish | abrotman: much appreciated |
| 00:15.54 | Cooner750 | gtk-gnutella cant keep any connections |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | vanquish: failing that .. you'll have ot use wget(which i doubt you have) to get the packages |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | Cooner750: bullshit .. it works fine |
| 00:16.10 | vanquish | abrotman: is there any easy way to resolve all the dependancies from command line? |
| 00:16.12 | bheron | abrotman, fine, dropped. |
| 00:16.18 | abrotman | bheron: thank you |
| 00:16.23 | Cooner750 | It wont here, it will connect 3/3 and then drop all 3 connections |
| 00:16.27 | bathat | it's difficult to fix the depends problems |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | vanquish: not with dpkg .. but you can install more than one at a time |
| 00:16.43 | g333k_work | Hi, a program to backcp a disk partition? I have tried ghost 4 linux, but it dissapoint me... |
| 00:16.54 | g333k_work | backup* |
| 00:16.56 | bathat | oh boy |
| 00:16.56 | tarzeau | g333k_work: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 00:17.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: gnustep doesn't make babies! |
| 00:17.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok enough nice words about gnustep for today |
| 00:17.43 | g333k_work | tarzeau, does it permit to store the backup in a ftp server?¡ |
| 00:17.51 | Wyzard | bathat: What's the dependency problem? You had nvidia-glx installed earlier, didn't you? |
| 00:17.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: wtf is that script ? |
| 00:17.56 | tarzeau | g333k_work: it won't stop you from ftp transfering it |
| 00:18.02 | bathat | Wyzard: yes, and i still do |
| 00:18.05 | abrotman | g333k_work: rsync |
| 00:18.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: some fun shellscript for idiots that can not type "dd" |
| 00:18.09 | bathat | but i also need to remove nvidia-glx-dev |
| 00:18.17 | Wyzard | bathat: oh, I see, it's not letting you remove it |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: then why not just tell him "dd" |
| 00:18.23 | tarzeau | i mean, it's really hard to hit the "d" key twice |
| 00:18.24 | bathat | and libgl packages |
| 00:18.29 | bathat | yep |
| 00:18.29 | Wyzard | bathat: dpkg --purge --force-depends nvidia-glx; apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 00:18.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: they are too stupid |
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| 00:18.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: you didn't even try ... |
| 00:18.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did |
| 00:18.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: and they mixed if with of |
| 00:18.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: not with g333k_work you didn't ... |
| 00:18.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: they forgot bs |
| 00:19.03 | Wyzard | bathat: "--force-depends" lets you violate dependencies -- though aptitude will make you put them back, so it's mostly useful for a quick uninstall-and-reinstall like this |
| 00:19.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah true, but he ASKED for it |
| 00:19.08 | bathat | i think i might be getting somewhere though |
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| 00:19.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. he didn't |
| 00:19.18 | g333k_work | I'm confused |
| 00:19.21 | bathat | oh yeah, i'm aware of that flag |
| 00:19.22 | tarzeau | !nickometer g333k_work |
| 00:19.24 | dpkg | 'g333k_work' is 63.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 00:19.25 | abrotman | g333k_work: rsync |
| 00:19.27 | Wyzard | bathat: You don't need to remove everything that depends on nvidia-glx |
| 00:19.40 | abrotman | g333k_work: you want to backup the files or the actual partition ? |
| 00:20.07 | Cooner750 | Can I setup a user so that it has no password? |
| 00:20.13 | bathat | i'm almost there |
| 00:20.14 | tarzeau | Cooner750: yes |
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| 00:20.18 | bathat | when i try to remove nvidia-glx |
| 00:20.21 | g333k_work | abrotman, yep.... I was using a live cd of g4l but I cant connect to my ftp server for any reason, so I want to try another similar |
| 00:20.25 | bathat | i get a dpkg-divert error again |
| 00:20.34 | abrotman | g333k_work: wasn't a yes/no question .. |
| 00:20.37 | Wyzard | bathat: What does it say? |
| 00:20.38 | bathat | requires overwriting libGL.so with libGL.so.xlibmesa |
| 00:20.38 | tarzeau | bathat: hehe :) |
| 00:20.46 | tarzeau | Wyzard: the debian nvidia is borked |
| 00:20.52 | tarzeau | it always was, it'll ever be |
| 00:20.58 | Wyzard | tarzeau: No, just bathat's installation of it |
| 00:21.00 | bathat | should i do a dpgk-divert --remove --rename again? |
| 00:21.03 | tarzeau | just like their optical device detection |
| 00:21.04 | Wyzard | tarzeau: It's been working fine for me for years |
| 00:21.07 | tarzeau | Wyzard: crap! |
| 00:21.14 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it's NEVER EVER worked for me |
| 00:21.16 | Cooner750 | tarzeau: How, and can I do it on a user that's already been created? |
| 00:21.24 | tarzeau | Cooner750: run passwd user ? |
| 00:21.33 | tarzeau | Cooner750: but it's really a bad idea |
| 00:21.36 | bathat | Wyzard: you said i didn't need libGL.so anywya, right? |
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| 00:22.02 | Wyzard | bathat: It's not necessary for running games, but if you want to remove it, do it by unstalling nvidia-glx-dev... don't just delete the file |
| 00:22.03 | Cooner750 | It wont let me leave it blank |
| 00:22.18 | tarzeau | Cooner750: then edit the password file yourself |
| 00:22.20 | Wyzard | bathat: I'd recommend purging and reinstalling both nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev |
| 00:22.24 | bathat | i removed that package already |
| 00:22.26 | tarzeau | Cooner750: you'll want to leave the field blank |
| 00:22.32 | Wyzard | bathat: And libGL.so still exists? |
| 00:22.33 | bathat | yep, that's what i'm trying to do |
| 00:22.37 | Cooner750 | passwd user -d worked |
| 00:22.38 | tarzeau | Cooner750: ssh will break and not allow users without password to login |
| 00:22.38 | Cooner750 | I think |
| 00:22.41 | g333k_work | So want I want to know is to clon a hard disk |
| 00:22.43 | Cooner750 | let me check |
| 00:22.50 | tarzeau | Cooner750: but you can use telnetd |
| 00:22.51 | bathat | that's where this problem arises |
| 00:22.57 | Wyzard | bathat: Your installation is really screwed up... this is why using nvidia-installer is discouraged :-) |
| 00:23.05 | Cooner750 | Well that did not work |
| 00:23.12 | w0rd54 | g333k_work: you can use DD, but I prefer ghost for ease of use |
| 00:23.12 | bathat | oi vey |
| 00:23.30 | bathat | i wish i'd have known this beforehand |
| 00:23.31 | Wyzard | bathat: If it's gone, feel free to delete the left-behind libGL.so and remove the diversion |
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| 00:23.33 | bathat | :( |
| 00:23.41 | bathat | ok |
| 00:23.46 | Wyzard | bathat: (Do you know what diversions are, btw?) |
| 00:23.56 | g333k_work | w0rd54, ok thanks |
| 00:23.59 | NestorReloaded | hello people |
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| 00:24.12 | Cooner750 | The login manager says incorrect password |
| 00:24.19 | tarzeau | Cooner750: which ? |
| 00:24.31 | Cooner750 | Which login manager? gdem |
| 00:24.32 | Cooner750 | gdm |
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| 00:24.44 | bathat | Wyzard: not exactly |
| 00:24.51 | bathat | i tried to remove the file |
| 00:24.55 | tarzeau | Cooner750: maybe a bug? checked BTS yet? |
| 00:24.59 | bathat | but i get the same error about renaming disallowed |
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| 00:25.06 | bathat | even though i'm not using the rename flag |
| 00:25.35 | Wyzard | bathat: Delete the old libGL.so manually with "rm", then use dpkg-divert with --rename to move the other one back |
| 00:25.41 | bathat | oh ok |
| 00:25.49 | Cooner750 | Eh, I'm not all that worried about it right now anyway. I'm more concerned about trying to get Firefox to detect the Flash plugin that I put in it's plugins folder, and still wont detect... |
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| 00:26.10 | bathat | now i have a libGL.so(.1,.2) |
| 00:26.14 | Wyzard | bathat: libGL is the main OpenGL library which all GL programs use... Mesa (specifically, the libgl1-mesa-glx package) provides a copy of that library, which uses Mesa's rendering infrastructure to draw stuff |
| 00:26.39 | Wyzard | bathat: nvidia-glx provides its own version of that library, which does nVidia-specific stuff instead, so it needs to move the Mesa one aside |
| 00:27.00 | bathat | i tried dpkg-divert --rename /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 00:27.03 | Wyzard | bathat: If it just replaced the file, it could be overwritten by the Mesa one next time libgl1-mesa-glx got upgraded or whatever |
| 00:27.13 | bathat | but now there's a different error |
| 00:27.27 | bathat | omg |
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| 00:27.46 | Wyzard | bathat: The diversion is a record of the fact that a file has been renamed -- so when libgl1-mesa-glx gets upgraded, it'll replace libGL.so.1.xlibmesa (its diverted version of the library) rather than libGL.so.1 (nVidia's version) |
| 00:27.48 | dragonfly | hi all |
| 00:28.00 | bathat | well, i get another error, i should say |
| 00:28.16 | NestorReloaded | hi dragonfly |
| 00:28.31 | dragonfly | i previously had mysql working, but haven't looked at it for awhile...now today, i go to use it and found that mysql.sock was not found |
| 00:28.34 | bathat | libGL.so.1 is symlinked to libGL.so.2 |
| 00:28.39 | dragonfly | i did locate mysql.sock and found nothing |
| 00:28.45 | NestorReloaded | anybody know when debian we'll remove the frefox package and put iceweasel? |
| 00:28.45 | bathat | libGL.so.1 is symlinked to libGL.so.1.2* |
| 00:28.53 | bathat | well, i have to go |
| 00:28.58 | bathat | thanks for your help |
| 00:29.07 | Cooner750 | Looks like I'll be building Firefox. Running amd64 here and the i686 refuses to run |
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| 00:29.13 | NestorReloaded | in etch |
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| 00:29.33 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: when it's ready |
| 00:29.46 | vanquish | abrotman: i got it all fixed up again - thank you |
| 00:29.48 | NestorReloaded | and when will that be? any idea? |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | vanquish: enjoy |
| 00:29.54 | dragonfly | some online documentation told me to try mysqld_safe so i tried that and get that /usr/sbin/mysqld does not exist....locate mysqld shows that it doesn't exist anywhere....any ideas? |
| 00:29.57 | NestorReloaded | because icedove it's already in debian etch |
| 00:29.57 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: when it's ready :) |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: it's really up to the maintainer ... |
| 00:30.20 | ArrenLex | I have an extra mouse button. When I press it, xev reports two keypress events -- 4 and 8. How can I fix it to read just 8? |
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| 00:30.32 | NestorReloaded | okok thanks |
| 00:30.33 | Cooner750 | I've grown fond of building the source of programs now. They always seem to run better when built from source |
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| 00:30.48 | vanquish | abrotman: just for clarification - i can uninstall gcc as long as i keep libgcc1? |
| 00:30.54 | Wyzard | Cooner750: You might like Gentoo, in that case |
| 00:31.00 | NestorReloaded | I ask because I'm working in an unniversity project |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | vanquish: is gcc installed now ? or just libgcc ? |
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| 00:31.17 | Wyzard | vanquish: You only need gcc if you want to actually compile stuff |
| 00:31.19 | NestorReloaded | migrating the university to free software, using debian :D |
| 00:31.33 | vanquish | abrotman: both |
| 00:31.43 | abrotman | vanquish: so remove gcc .. not libgcc |
| 00:31.50 | vanquish | Wyzard: :), i kinda guessed that - but it does seem to be a dependancy for a lot |
| 00:31.54 | abrotman | vanquish: and read the package list that it's going to remove |
| 00:32.08 | ArrenLex | No ideas? Anyone? |
| 00:32.12 | vanquish | abrotman: right so, just libgcc1 is important? nothing else? |
| 00:32.23 | abrotman | vanquish: there are other important packages :) |
| 00:32.41 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 00:32.43 | Cooner750 | configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required |
| 00:32.50 | vanquish | abrotman: :) ok |
| 00:33.03 | Cooner750 | Any ideas on the error? |
| 00:33.25 | loke- | i just installed 2.6.18 from unstable and it stops on boot at "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." and from there nothing happens.. any ideas? |
| 00:33.27 | Wyzard | Cooner750: With such little information, no |
| 00:33.40 | Cooner750 | Building the latest Firefox source |
| 00:33.42 | Cooner750 | or trying to |
| 00:33.45 | Cooner750 | on amd64 |
| 00:33.51 | Wyzard | Cooner750: but it'd be highly preferable to use the Debian source package (assuming the program is packaged in Debian) and Debian's build infrastructure, to create a .deb |
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| 00:34.07 | Wyzard | Cooner750: rather than doing a "make install" sort of thing which'll just dump a bunch of files on your system |
| 00:34.19 | Wyzard | loke-: probably an initrd problem... 2.6.18 itself works fine |
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| 00:34.49 | NestorReloaded | anybody has used apt-build? |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 00:35.04 | dpkg | i heard apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 00:35.04 | Cooner750 | Well let's see. My next thing I wanted to get working is Splashy |
| 00:35.11 | Cooner750 | Which, the .deb is for i386, so it will not run here |
| 00:35.15 | loke- | Wyzard, do you know how i can fix it? |
| 00:35.15 | Cooner750 | Which means I'll have to compile it |
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| 00:35.44 | NestorReloaded | yeah, I know, but I've troubles compilling X and kde |
| 00:35.54 | NestorReloaded | it hang's on the middle of the process |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | why are you compiling them? |
| 00:36.07 | odla | NestorReloaded: are you running gentoo? why would you compile X and kde? |
| 00:36.13 | Badman | bonne nuit |
| 00:36.15 | Wyzard | Cooner750: There appears to be an amd64 package of splashy too |
| 00:36.21 | NestorReloaded | because I want to build a Debian LFS |
| 00:36.21 | niles | hi i use sarge 3.1 therefore #kde cannot help me. how can i drag windows from one workspace to an other with just holding down the mouse ? |
| 00:36.23 | Cooner750 | there is? |
| 00:36.23 | NestorReloaded | just to learn |
| 00:36.38 | niles | and how do i keep a window in the foreground with out having to keep the mouse over it. |
| 00:36.42 | Wyzard | NestorReloaded: LFS means *not* using a distro -- that's the whole point |
| 00:36.51 | NestorReloaded | nope, the is a debian lfs proyecjt |
| 00:37.03 | NestorReloaded | I've just downloaded the iso yersterday |
| 00:37.22 | NestorReloaded | I know what lfs mean ;-) |
| 00:37.34 | Wyzard | NestorReloaded: A Google search for "Debian LFS" doesn't turn up anything |
| 00:37.41 | Cooner750 | Ah, there it is. |
| 00:37.43 | NestorReloaded | wanna see the link? |
| 00:37.57 | craigevil | splashy> * 0.1.8.1-3.1: alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
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| 00:38.09 | Wyzard | NestorReloaded: sure |
| 00:38.20 | NestorReloaded | http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/10/1727246 |
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| 00:38.26 | odla | Wyzard: he's right |
| 00:38.35 | niles | any one here useing kde with sarge 3.1 ? |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | !dfs |
| 00:38.42 | dpkg | [dfs] Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
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| 00:38.57 | Wyzard | interesting |
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| 00:39.04 | NestorReloaded | yeah, a lot |
| 00:39.09 | nvz | yay, I remembered the passwords I created yesturday \o/ |
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| 00:39.24 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: LFS is not DFS |
| 00:39.33 | NestorReloaded | kind of |
| 00:39.56 | niles | how much of an inconveince is it to upgrade to etch? as in how much time should i set aside? |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | depends on your bandwidth and the speed of your system |
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| 00:40.18 | nvz | and how many packages you have installed |
| 00:40.21 | niles | abrotman: dsl |
| 00:40.28 | NestorReloaded | I'm using etch since a long time, and i've no troubles |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | DSL comes in like five speeds |
| 00:40.54 | niles | well i said dsl as an estimate |
| 00:41.03 | w0rd54 | it comes in slow-slow....medium-slow....medium-fast-slow, medium-medium-slow and fast-slow |
| 00:41.06 | niles | im on a college capus |
| 00:41.08 | NestorReloaded | bandwitdh? |
| 00:41.09 | kie27 | greetings all, still trying to resolve a small reverse dns problem... almost there... running debian stable, bind, when i do a dig -x in the sever get ANSWER when i do it from elsewhere no answer section, any ideas please? |
| 00:41.11 | niles | ehh medious slow |
| 00:41.18 | eldowan | I noticed that there is no longer the -smp variant of linux-image-2.6.x in etch. Was smp support added to the main linux-image packages? |
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| 00:41.27 | plugwash | niles it depends on 4 things, bandwidth, packages installed, speed of machine, and whether you have any problems |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | eldowan: i think so |
| 00:41.34 | Cooner750 | Rebooting to see if Splashy works. Will brb I hope |
| 00:41.42 | niles | sounds like a 2 hour task |
| 00:41.49 | plugwash | but i'd set asside at least an evening in case things go wrong |
| 00:42.00 | niles | ugh |
| 00:42.05 | eldowan | abrotman: That is what I thought. |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | eldowan: grep SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 00:42.59 | eldowan | abrotman: uname -r == 2.6.17-2-k7 CONFIG_SMP=y |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | guess what that means |
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| 00:43.44 | eldowan | uhhhhhhhhh smp enabled? :D |
| 00:43.50 | cureless | or you could have done uname -a |
| 00:44.22 | eldowan | cureless: uname -a showed ...-s-k7 #1 SMP |
| 00:44.41 | cureless | eldowan: doesn't that answer your smp question? |
| 00:44.51 | eldowan | cureless: Yes, yes indeed. :D |
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| 00:45.08 | Cooner750 | It's apparent that Splashy does not work quite right in Etch |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 00:45.33 | NestorReloaded | splashy never worked :( |
| 00:45.45 | Cooner750 | For one it dosent start until INIT starts, and secondly, after the progress bar gets about half way it flickers off and shows the progress bar only. |
| 00:46.04 | Cooner750 | Any other boot-time splash screen software? |
| 00:46.09 | craigevil | thats about as good as splashy works |
| 00:46.17 | Cooner750 | What does Ubuntu use? |
| 00:46.31 | cureless | do you need a splash screen or just want one? |
| 00:46.35 | NestorReloaded | have you tried bootsplash? |
| 00:46.46 | Cooner750 | Bootsplash I have never tried. Probably should. |
| 00:46.50 | Cooner750 | Where can I get it? |
| 00:46.57 | craigevil | i would rather see the boot process in case there are errors |
| 00:47.06 | craigevil | than have a flashy bootsplash |
| 00:47.29 | NestorReloaded | with bootsplash you can switch between the normal mode and the splashscreen mode |
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| 00:47.32 | Cooner750 | Yea |
| 00:47.37 | Cooner750 | I was about to say, but I wasnt sure |
| 00:47.40 | eldowan | I have another question. I recently installed Debian on a Core 2 Duo machine. The problem is that it uses a JMicron controller for the PATA and a Realtek ethernet controller which aren't recognized before 2.6.(18|19). I was able to install using a custom sarge installer with 2.6.19-rc3 on it and the system works correctly. However, trying to install the binary nvidia drivers produces an error fussing about missing kernel source. I have the image and headers |
| 00:47.41 | eldowan | installed. I'm wondering what the correct, 'debian', way of building a kernel image, header, and source packages would be, using the 18 or 19 kernel. Any help would be wonderful |
| 00:47.44 | NestorReloaded | google :D bootsplasn it's akernel patch |
| 00:47.58 | Cooner750 | F2 is the key I believe, to switch to verbose mode |
| 00:48.06 | NestorReloaded | that's right |
| 00:48.13 | datrus | does anyone know how to remove a package and all packages that depend on it? |
| 00:48.21 | NestorReloaded | mmm |
| 00:48.27 | NestorReloaded | try apt-cache depends (pkgname) |
| 00:48.30 | Wyzard | eldowan: Is the JMicron the only SATA controller? You should have some ports on the ICH controller as well |
| 00:48.33 | mrcheeks | Hi verybody, I also tried to use bootsplash, but all I see is text mode, with bootsplash messages. With usplash, it is the same. In ubuntu it is all working well... |
| 00:48.37 | NestorReloaded | but I know there is a better way of doing that |
| 00:48.42 | Gnurdux | eldowan, install the source |
| 00:48.45 | cureless | datrus: what are you trying to remove? |
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| 00:48.49 | eldowan | Wyzard: the JMicron is the only PATA controller for my dvd-burner |
| 00:48.52 | mrcheeks | I might have missed some framebuffer packages... |
| 00:48.57 | Phated | Er, if you remove a package, don't packages that depend ON it already get removed? eg if you remove libc6, pretty much your entire system flies? |
| 00:48.57 | datrus | cureless: pdns-server |
| 00:49.02 | Cooner750 | Well, http://bootsplash.org certainly isnt working right.. |
| 00:49.11 | NestorReloaded | try google :D |
| 00:49.13 | eldowan | Gnurdux: there is no source package provided for that kernel, or I don't understand what you mean. |
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| 00:49.17 | Wyzard | eldowan: The JMicron PATA is recognized by the stock 2.6.18 in unstable |
| 00:49.18 | NestorReloaded | but I know there is a debian package |
| 00:49.19 | datrus | cureless: i want to remove automatically all packages that depend on it, instead of doing manually dpkg -r on all packages |
| 00:49.26 | cureless | datrus: have you tried aptitude remove? |
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| 00:49.28 | Wyzard | eldowan: and so is the rtl8169 |
| 00:49.32 | NestorReloaded | apt-get install bootplash ;) |
| 00:49.35 | abrotman | Phated: yes |
| 00:49.41 | mrcheeks | NestorReloaded:deborphan?? |
| 00:49.43 | eldowan | Wyzard: So would I do something like aptitude install -t unstable .....? |
| 00:49.45 | Cooner750 | Or, better yet, it's in the Repository. :P |
| 00:49.51 | NestorReloaded | deborphan does another things |
| 00:49.54 | cureless | datrus: you should be using apt* for most of your package needs. |
| 00:50.10 | Cooner750 | So, now that Synaptic reports it's installed, I wonder if it needs any extra config... |
| 00:50.26 | NestorReloaded | yeah, I'm not an aptitude fan either |
| 00:50.27 | Wyzard | eldowan: or just download the .deb from packages.debian.org, if you don't want to add unstable sources just for that |
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| 00:50.30 | eldowan | Wyzard: I thought the support was there in .18, but had no way to test. Thanks for the definate answer. |
| 00:50.33 | datrus | cureless: ok, thanks, apt-get remove works |
| 00:50.35 | Cooner750 | Let's restart and see. *Restarts computer again* |
| 00:50.40 | mrcheeks | I never liked aptitude either. |
| 00:50.41 | cureless | datrus: yes it does |
| 00:50.45 | mrcheeks | I stick to apt-get |
| 00:50.46 | Wyzard | eldowan: 2.6.18 will be going into etch at some point, btw |
| 00:50.52 | Phated | So then, to, er... datrus, yeah - just remove the package and everything that depends on it will leave together with it. |
| 00:51.01 | mrcheeks | Isn't etch to be released |
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| 00:51.09 | cureless | mrcheeks: give aptitude a try, you can just replace it instead of apt-get. |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 00:51.10 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 00:51.11 | datrus | Phated: yes, i was using dpkg -r instead of apt |
| 00:51.12 | mrcheeks | I dist-upgraded, and I see debian 4.0 |
| 00:51.13 | eldowan | Wyzard: Ahhh, thats a thought, just getting the .debs. I would need just the image, header, and source debs, correct? |
| 00:51.18 | Wyzard | eldowan: For my own installation on an Abit AB9 Pro motherboard, I had to use the USB-stick installer because the CD didn't work due to the kernel not being able to find the drive |
| 00:51.21 | NestorReloaded | etch we'll be stable on december 4, right? |
| 00:51.23 | Phated | datrus: Ah :) use apt ;) |
| 00:51.41 | mrcheeks | cureless: why aptitude...?? Yes it does work but why |
| 00:51.45 | cureless | NestorReloaded: riiight |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: uhm .. no |
| 00:51.45 | Wyzard | eldowan: linux-image, plus linux-headers if you need to compile out-of-tree modules like nVidida |
| 00:51.52 | cureless | mrcheeks: logs for one |
| 00:51.54 | NestorReloaded | ¿? |
| 00:51.55 | eldowan | Wyzard: That is the exact board I just installed to. I was able to get the PATA to work by putting the onboard IDE mode to ahci, and using the custom sarge installer. |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: unless you fix 200 bugs next week .. doubtful |
| 00:52.10 | cureless | mrcheeks: the way it handles dependency problems, gives you options, etc. |
| 00:52.14 | NestorReloaded | right |
| 00:52.20 | Wyzard | eldowan: You should use AHCI regardless, because it's much better than the ICH5-compatible mode you get if you set it to "IDE" mode |
| 00:52.30 | Wyzard | eldowan: AHCI supports NCQ and hotplugging |
| 00:52.31 | mrcheeks | yes logs, but I don't want extra dependencies and to have to configure aptitude for that... |
| 00:52.45 | cureless | mrcheeks: you don't have to do anything. |
| 00:52.47 | Wyzard | eldowan: but that only affects the ICH8 SATA controller, not the JMicron |
| 00:52.54 | mrcheeks | in synaptic there is an option but... I often use console |
| 00:53.09 | cureless | mrcheeks: aptitude is console and command line |
| 00:53.14 | eldowan | Wyzard: That is odd. I was understanding that the JMicron board controlled the eSATA port, and the PATA port. |
| 00:53.18 | NestorReloaded | yeah, but aptitude it's horrible |
| 00:53.21 | NestorReloaded | never use it ;) |
| 00:53.35 | NestorReloaded | you'll have a better control with apt |
| 00:53.40 | Wyzard | eldowan: It does control the PATA; I don't know about the eSATA |
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| 00:53.47 | Cooner750 | Well, that did nothing |
| 00:53.51 | tolecnal | NestorReloaded: aptitude from console is the next best thing since sliced bread |
| 00:53.52 | Wyzard | eldowan: but presumably your hard drive isn't connected to one of those |
| 00:53.52 | mrcheeks | cureless: Once i did aptitude install somepackage and It wanted to install "some suggested/recommanded packages"??? which i don't want! |
| 00:53.54 | enouf | eldowan: your mobo may have 2 controllers for SATA |
| 00:53.58 | NestorReloaded | jajaja, doubt that |
| 00:54.05 | Wyzard | enouf: Actually, it has three :-) |
| 00:54.10 | Cooner750 | I installed kernel-patch-bootsplash. Maybe that will do it |
| 00:54.16 | mrcheeks | I know I can configure it but I don't want to have to be compelled to do so... |
| 00:54.17 | enouf | Wyzard: heh .. not sure which mobo |
| 00:54.20 | eldowan | enouf: Yes, it has intel's ICH8 and JMicrons. I think I just misread Wyzard's post. |
| 00:54.23 | NestorReloaded | you've to recompile the kernel too, don't forget that |
| 00:54.26 | Wyzard | enouf: i do, and I have the same one |
| 00:54.29 | eldowan | enouf: abit AB9 Pro |
| 00:54.38 | Wyzard | complete with pink BIOS |
| 00:54.47 | eldowan | Wyzard: yes, pink indeed :/ |
| 00:55.01 | Cooner750 | Do I have to recompile the kernel after installing those packages? |
| 00:55.04 | eldowan | Wyzard: So you suggest changin the intel controller to achi too? |
| 00:55.17 | NestorReloaded | nop |
| 00:55.27 | mrcheeks | NestorReloaded: I once had to recompile the kernel for that. Can I just use the kernel image? Once you install bootsplash it seems that it is configuring the kernel-image(ramfs, etc.) |
| 00:55.35 | NestorReloaded | bootsplash it's a kernel patch, so you've to patch the kernel with that |
| 00:55.38 | Wyzard | eldowan: AHCI is *only* available for the Intel controller -- that second item (IIRC) under "integrated peripherals" is for the Intel |
| 00:55.43 | cureless | mrcheeks: well, suit yourself, since other people disagree you're free to disagree. I find aptitude better. (Though my fingers still type apt-get automatically after years of using that) |
| 00:55.47 | NestorReloaded | nop |
| 00:55.50 | enouf | eldowan: right ok then .. one in the South Bridge(ICH8) .. the other 2 are Onboard 3rd party I gather .. need to review the specs |
| 00:55.57 | Cooner750 | brb again |
| 00:56.01 | Wyzard | eldowan: The other two controllers' settings are somewhere else, and your only choices for those are "IDE" and "RAID" |
| 00:56.10 | NestorReloaded | debian kernel's does not include bootplash support by default, so you've to patch it and recompile it |
| 00:56.29 | eldowan | Wyzard: Actually, I found ACHI under the first setting under "integraded preipherals", it was labeled "Onboard IDE" IIRC |
| 00:56.30 | mrcheeks | Both tools work at least!! |
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| 00:56.42 | enouf | eldowan: listen to Wyzard though .. he seems up on these things |
| 00:56.43 | Wyzard | eldowan: Yeah, that's the one... couldn't remember whether it was the first of the second |
| 00:56.49 | NestorReloaded | yeah, apt and aptitude works, but there's a big diference |
| 00:56.51 | Wyzard | eldowan: Anyway, that's for the Intel, not the JMicron |
| 00:57.09 | mrcheeks | big... to the end user...? |
| 00:57.20 | eldowan | Wyzard: This is somewhat Odd. If the ACHI mode is only for the intel controller, why did the PATA cdrom start working when I switched it to AHCI, if the PATA is controlled by JMicron, and not Intel? |
| 00:57.21 | Wyzard | eldowan: There's a setting for the JMicron somewhere else, though I can't check right now because that motherboard turned out to be defective so I had to RMA it |
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| 00:57.35 | cureless | NestorReloaded: what's your problem with aptitude? |
| 00:57.43 | plugwash | iirc the big difference between apt-get and aptitude is that aptitude has a concept of "manually installed" and "automatically installed" packages |
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| 00:57.59 | Wyzard | eldowan: dunno about that... I used the installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and it did not find the PATA drive even when the Intel controller was set to AHCI |
| 00:58.02 | eldowan | NestorReloaded: I'm curious also, please explain. |
| 00:58.02 | NestorReloaded | experiencies, and the "automatic installation" |
| 00:58.06 | Wyzard | eldowan: Didn't you say you used some custom installer? |
| 00:58.22 | plugwash | this should make it clean up better but can also result in it wanting to remove things you don't wan't it to remove |
| 00:58.24 | NestorReloaded | I always install what I want and just that, same thing when I remove a package |
| 00:58.25 | aFlag | how do I know if antialiasing is enabled or not? |
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| 00:58.44 | eldowan | Wyzard: yes, I used the installer from: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 00:58.50 | aFlag | antialiasing for the fonts I use on xorg |
| 00:58.51 | cureless | NestorReloaded: but what happens when your install actually needs to de-install half your system for that to work? |
| 00:59.00 | Wyzard | eldowan: That installer probably uses a different kernel with the JMicron PATA bug fixed |
| 00:59.01 | Cooner750 | Well, nothing happened at boot again. I assume I have to do something to the kernel? |
| 00:59.07 | Wyzard | eldowan: (the same patch that went into 2.6.18) |
| 00:59.12 | NestorReloaded | give an example |
| 00:59.17 | eldowan | Wyzard: yes, it used the 2.6.19-rc3 kernel. |
| 00:59.43 | Wyzard | eldowan: That's why... the PATA problem is just a bug in 2.6.17 so it works with later kernels |
| 00:59.58 | itchi | Cooner750: Same case here |
| 01:00.05 | cureless | NestorReloaded: easy, new libraries are upgraded, most packages are up to date, but a package you want to install depends on an old library, if you install that and there's a library conflict it'll uninstall the "new" stuff to install the old version of the library. |
| 01:00.07 | NestorReloaded | I've never had a trouble with that using apt, altought there's always a solution for that cases |
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| 01:00.14 | itchi | Cooner750: Followed a bit the conversation ... |
| 01:00.30 | cureless | NestorReloaded: there's always a solution for all cases. |
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| 01:00.37 | NestorReloaded | you're right, but I still preffer handle that using apt |
| 01:00.38 | eldowan | Wyzard: That's what I read. But with the custom installer, it wouldn't work at IDE mode. Only with AHCI enabled. And on that change, the JMicron screen changed on bootup too... |
| 01:00.44 | cureless | mrcheeks: btw, the debian reference recommends aptitude over apt-get |
| 01:00.59 | NestorReloaded | It give me the nuts when aptitude install suggested and recommended packages |
| 01:01.00 | cureless | NestorReloaded: that's fine, apt-get is not a bad tool. |
| 01:01.13 | Cooner750 | I'm wondering if you have to recompile the kernel. |
| 01:01.18 | cureless | It drives me nuts when I don't know what apt-get installed the last time I dist-upgraded |
| 01:01.21 | NestorReloaded | yeah Cooner750 you have to |
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| 01:01.32 | NestorReloaded | first patch it with the bootsplash patch |
| 01:01.39 | Wyzard | eldowan: The official D-I (with its 2.6.17 kernel) didn't find my hard drives with the Intel controller set to "IDE" either |
| 01:01.55 | Wyzard | eldowan: I don't know why, but I don't really care since AHCI is what I want to use anyway, and that works fine |
| 01:02.02 | Cooner750 | I've installed all of the bootsplash packages |
| 01:02.06 | Cooner750 | So how do I recompile the kernel? |
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| 01:02.14 | [DHX] | hello |
| 01:02.24 | NestorReloaded | Cooner750, use google to search it, it's a big process |
| 01:02.32 | Wyzard | eldowan: so AHCI takes care of your hard drive(s) connected to the Intel controller, and the custom installer takes care of your PATA optical drive connected to the JMicron controller |
| 01:02.32 | eldowan | Wyzard: Hmmm. I never got that far. I didn't get around to formatting a USB stick for boot, that was next if the custom image didn't work. Are you getting the same board, or switching to another? |
| 01:02.35 | NestorReloaded | and it's requieres some advanced knoledge |
| 01:03.01 | Wyzard | eldowan: replacing it with the same one |
| 01:03.03 | eldowan | Wyzard: But with the custom installer, and the chip set to IDE mode, it couldn't find the PATA cdrom. |
| 01:03.25 | [DHX] | I just installed apache2 and php4 .. php4 works perfect but I can't access to my mysql database. I've installed the php4-mysql package. Do someone has an idea of the origin of my problem? |
| 01:03.39 | Wyzard | eldowan: It was only slightly defective (spurious data corruption), not completely dead -- I successfully installed etch, upgraded to sid, and installed GNOME |
| 01:03.44 | [DHX] | this is the error I get: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 01:03.52 | Wyzard | eldowan: using LVM on dm-crypt on RAID-5, no less :-) |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | is the module enabled in your php.ini ? |
| 01:04.08 | Wyzard | eldowan: but I had to use the USB-stick installer because of the PATA bug... no big deal |
| 01:04.32 | NestorReloaded | [DHX], apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:04.37 | NestorReloaded | or something like that |
| 01:04.53 | eldowan | Wyzard: Hrmm. I had a bug with the LVM configuration utility in the installer, so I had to stick with a straight RAID1, no LVM... |
| 01:05.12 | mrcheeks | cureless: I know. When I saw that it attempted to use aptitude instead of apt-get but... I went back to my beloved apt-get.. :-) |
| 01:05.21 | [DHX] | NestorReloaded allready made . php4 works normaly, but not php4-mysql |
| 01:05.26 | NestorReloaded | mmmm |
| 01:05.32 | NestorReloaded | are you missing any package? |
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| 01:05.34 | cureless | mrcheeks: using aptitude and apt-get at the same time can have strange effects. |
| 01:05.48 | datrus | does anyone know how to find the program that is listening on a given tcp port? |
| 01:05.53 | Wyzard | eldowan: With the RC1 installer, crypto-on-RAID is known to be broken, but plain LVM on RAID should work fine... I tested it that way myself |
| 01:06.00 | [DHX] | NestorReloaded I don't think so, I've installed php4 php4-mysql and libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:06.03 | Cooner750 | Looks like this is going to take a little while.. |
| 01:06.12 | NestorReloaded | let me check my installed packages |
| 01:06.18 | mrcheeks | datrus: maybe lsop |
| 01:06.18 | Cooner750 | Wish there was an easier way to do this |
| 01:06.30 | cureless | mrcheeks: aptitude remembers what you installed, so when you uninstall it uninstalls the dependencies it installed with that. If you use apt-get to install something then aptitude wont know you really wanted that and might try to remove it. On the flip side, your system doesn't get filled with cruft and libraries you don't need. |
| 01:06.42 | mrcheeks | datrus:lsof |
| 01:06.45 | [DHX] | thanks NestorReloaded :) |
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| 01:06.52 | abrotman | [DHX]: is the module enabled in your php.ini ? |
| 01:07.00 | Cooner750 | installing the kernel source right now |
| 01:07.01 | eldowan | Wyzard: I think it is an older sarge installer disc that he just back ported the kernel on. Don't know. If my friend isn't happy with the load, we can always re-do it later to add LVM. |
| 01:07.07 | datrus | mrcheeks: ok thanks |
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| 01:07.09 | NestorReloaded | apt-get install apache2 mysql-server mysql-client php4 phpmyadmin libapache2-mod-php4 php4-gd |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | you DO NOT need phpmyadmin |
| 01:07.18 | NestorReloaded | that's php4 apache2, mysql and gd libraries |
| 01:07.20 | mrcheeks | cureless: I see, I will give it another try... |
| 01:07.20 | Cooner750 | Ok, now what is going on here... |
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| 01:07.26 | abrotman | noone does ... |
| 01:07.36 | Wyzard | eldowan: I ended up using beta3 for my installation because crypto-on-RAID works there |
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| 01:07.39 | eldowan | Wyzard: Does this look like it should be the correct kernel image to you? ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-headers/linux-kernel-headers_2.6.18-6_i386.deb |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: and he's not using apache2 either |
| 01:07.50 | Cooner750 | /usr/src/linux does not exist.. |
| 01:07.56 | cureless | mrcheeks: stick to the command line, or if you want to be harsh just alias apt-get to aptitude and you're set. |
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| 01:08.08 | eldowan | Wyzard: I used beta3 for my other installs. It worked like a champ there. I didn't use crypto though. |
| 01:08.11 | NestorReloaded | right abrotman |
| 01:08.11 | [DHX] | abrotman hum you may be right, actually I have made a purge :x I'll go and see .. if you're right I'm really stupid :x |
| 01:08.13 | abrotman | [DHX]: grep mysql /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 01:08.17 | [DHX] | yep |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: he is using apache2 |
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| 01:08.49 | abrotman | [DHX]: if you run that. . what do you get ? |
| 01:08.54 | Wyzard | eldowan: No, use linux-headers-2.6.18-2-* |
| 01:09.01 | Cooner750 | eh, I dont feel like doing this |
| 01:09.01 | Wyzard | eldowan: linux-kernel-headers is something else |
| 01:09.18 | Wyzard | eldowan: (You're installing 32-bit Debian?) |
| 01:09.22 | [DHX] | abrotman you were right, I ahave ;extension=mysql.so and not extension=mysql.so |
| 01:09.31 | [DHX] | than you and sorry for disturbing |
| 01:09.31 | Cooner750 | I'd rather just leave it alone, and not break this installation again. I broke it by trying to install Xgl last time |
| 01:09.33 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:09.34 | NestorReloaded | uncomment it |
| 01:09.39 | abrotman | you think? |
| 01:09.40 | [DHX] | yep NestorReloaded ;) |
| 01:09.42 | NestorReloaded | !prize me |
| 01:09.45 | itchi | Cooner750: You realy need that bootspash?? |
| 01:09.59 | Cooner750 | Dont care now, I dont feel like doing the work of recompiling the kernel |
| 01:10.01 | Cooner750 | Anyone here have a good guide for installing Xgl in Etch? |
| 01:10.06 | Cooner750 | Without breaking it? lol |
| 01:10.09 | abrotman | no .. xgl isn't in debian |
| 01:10.12 | Wyzard | Cooner750: Use AIGLX, not XGL |
| 01:10.13 | eldowan | Wyzard: I thought that 64-bit didn't work transparently with 32-bit binaries... Is this the case? |
| 01:10.22 | Cooner750 | Ok. What about compiz? |
| 01:10.32 | [DHX] | abrotman and NestorReloaded It works fine now :) |
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| 01:10.36 | abrotman | [DHX]: enjoy |
| 01:10.37 | [DHX] | thank you both |
| 01:10.38 | [DHX] | :) |
| 01:10.44 | NestorReloaded | great, enjoy ;) |
| 01:10.57 | Wyzard | eldowan: sort of... there are packages of the core 32-bit libraries, but for binaries that need stuff like GTK you'll need a 32-bit chroot |
| 01:11.51 | Wyzard | eldowan: Of the apps I installed: VMware is fine because it provides its own copy of GTK, UT2004 is fine because it has a native 64-bit build, and there's no 64-bit browser plugins for Flash or Java but I don't care too much about those |
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| 01:12.10 | eldowan | Wyzard: I'm setting this up for a friend whom I recently convinced to switch from windows. He isn't up to doing any maintenance yet, so I'm trying to keep it simple until he gets confortable with it. Would you recommend sticking to 32-bit? |
| 01:12.47 | Wyzard | eldowan: For someone who isn't a power user there's not likely to be much difference, and your friend would probably appreciate having a Flash plugin available |
| 01:12.56 | Cooner750 | This is the guide I tried to use |
| 01:12.57 | Cooner750 | http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | Cooner750: Xgl is NOT in debian |
| 01:13.23 | Wyzard | eldowan: On the other hand, the amd64 port seems to be a bit faster, probably because it's optimized for the amd64 generation of processors rather than generic 486 |
| 01:13.28 | Cooner750 | How are people using it in Ubuntu? |
| 01:13.31 | NestorReloaded | but you can use ubuntu packages |
| 01:13.32 | NestorReloaded | :D |
| 01:13.33 | eldowan | I believe he would. I think I'll stick to 32-bit for him. Although I might try switching myself to 64-bit on my AMD X2 system. I'm not to keen on flash and java anyway. |
| 01:13.48 | Wyzard | Cooner750: What type of video card do you have? |
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| 01:14.03 | Cooner750 | Wyzard: GeForce 6100, with the nVidia drivers installed (went through all of that last night) |
| 01:14.19 | eldowan | Cooner750: DIdn't you say that the card is onboard? |
| 01:14.29 | vivithemage | Cooner750, did you follow a guide or just knew |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | Cooner750: ask #ubuntu .. how the fuck would we know ? |
| 01:14.45 | vivithemage | because im looking for a guide as i need to install nvidia drivers |
| 01:14.50 | Cooner750 | It's onboard, I was able to get nvidia's drivers installed and it's been working fine since |
| 01:14.50 | Wyzard | Cooner750: If you upgrade to the beta driver in experimental, or wait a little while for the final release (from a few days ago) to be packaged in unstable, you can use AIGLX with that |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:14.52 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 01:15.00 | Wyzard | Cooner750: no need for XGL |
| 01:15.05 | eeyore- | Cooner750: if you had a specific question about debian Xgl, no clue. if you want generic Xgl help, i might be able to. |
| 01:15.13 | Cooner750 | I just used the nVidia installer from nvidia.com |
| 01:15.20 | Wyzard | ugh |
| 01:15.29 | vivithemage | ah im doing the debian one |
| 01:15.39 | Cooner750 | It works, 3D acceleration and all now |
| 01:15.42 | vivithemage | its just they all say different stuff |
| 01:15.50 | Wyzard | nVidia should put a big notice on their download page saying "if your distro has packages of this driver, use those instead!" |
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| 01:15.52 | abrotman | eeyore-: there is no such thing as debian xgl |
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| 01:15.53 | eeyore- | Cooner750: your card belongs in the "legacy" category, so you'll need either the old driver, or nothing more recent than 9629 |
| 01:16.02 | Wyzard | eeyore-: 6100 is not legacy |
| 01:16.03 | eeyore- | abrotman: that figures |
| 01:16.13 | eeyore- | Wyzard: my 6600 is considered legacy |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: aiglx seems to be the better solution |
| 01:16.26 | vivithemage | what about 7800gs? |
| 01:16.27 | Wyzard | eeyore-: legacy is geforce2 and older |
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| 01:16.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, no. frankly, it's not. aiglx doesn't run on ati, or any other chips |
| 01:16.44 | Wyzard | eeyore-: or did they drop more cards in 9629? |
| 01:16.46 | eeyore- | Wyzard: ah |
| 01:16.50 | eeyore- | Wyzard: yeah |
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| 01:17.15 | eeyore- | Wyzard: my laptop's quadro4 was dropped > 9629 |
| 01:17.23 | fasta | AIGLX is hyped. |
| 01:17.24 | Wyzard | eeyore-: 9625 (the beta that became 9629) works fine on my 6200 |
| 01:17.25 | NestorReloaded | !etch nvidia |
| 01:17.25 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 01:17.29 | eldowan | Wyzard: looking at packages.debian.org, I see the following pacckages linux-headers-2.6.18-2-686 linux-image-headers-2.6.18-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.18-2; Do you think I should need anymore? |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: uhm .. yes it does |
| 01:17.52 | h3sp4wn | aiglx works perfectly here on my ati card |
| 01:18.06 | eeyore- | Wyzard: maybe i confused the "6200" with something else. i have a geforce2 agp v7700 card that was dropped. maybe it's some weird numbering scheme |
| 01:18.12 | Cooner750 | Would aiglx work on this nVidia? or not? |
| 01:18.14 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: Are you using the fglrx drivers? |
| 01:18.22 | Wyzard | eldowan: #1 depends on #3 and #2 does not exist (did you mean just "linux-image" ?) |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | Cooner750: scroll up and read what Wyzard said |
| 01:18.25 | eeyore- | abrotman: i have to run xgl on my ati cards :-) so far, works great |
| 01:18.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: aiglx, nada |
| 01:18.36 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: No why would I |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's your fault for buying from companies that fuck their customers :) |
| 01:18.49 | Wyzard | eldowan: Those three should be all you need |
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| 01:19.06 | eeyore- | i have to admit, the new nvidia logo looks spiffy |
| 01:19.07 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: n/m I'm not even sure what aiglx is anyway.. |
| 01:19.10 | eeyore- | all black and green ... |
| 01:19.16 | eldowan | Wyzard: Thanks for the help. |
| 01:19.42 | eldowan | eeyore-: I agree with the new logo, much better than the white background. Newly installed about 40 minutes ago... :D |
| 01:20.05 | Wyzard | Cooner750: Your card should work fine with AIGLX, using either the beta 9625 driver that's currently in experimental, or the 9629 driver that was released recently and will probably be in sid soon |
| 01:20.19 | Wyzard | Cooner750: I've used Compiz on my 6200 using the 9625 driver and it works fine |
| 01:20.28 | Blue-Steel | debian is still on version 3.* ? |
| 01:20.45 | NestorReloaded | it depends Blue-Steel |
| 01:20.46 | asg | Blue-Steel: /topic |
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| 01:20.47 | abrotman | sarge is version 3.1 |
| 01:20.48 | Wyzard | eldowan: Basically, it's built-in support in Xorg for OpenGL-based compositing |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: no .. it doesn't |
| 01:21.18 | NestorReloaded | I'm using etch, and the login already shows Debian 4.0 :D |
| 01:21.20 | Wyzard | eldowan: Similar i principle to XGL but less of an ugly hack |
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| 01:21.32 | Kevin` | Blue-Steel think of it by name, not number |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | but etch hasn't been released .. and therefore 4.0 doesn't technically exist |
| 01:21.47 | itchi | Work compiz with an Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) ? |
| 01:22.35 | Wyzard | itchi: It works fine on my laptop's 915, so presumably it'd work fine on a 945 too |
| 01:22.35 | Kevin` | hm I have one of those |
| 01:22.35 | Blue-Steel | geeee.. last time i used debian was almost 2 years ago. and i thought the install cd was outdated... ( v3) |
| 01:22.35 | eldowan | Wyzard: Ahhh, and this doesn't exist in debian? (aiglx? |
| 01:22.35 | itchi | Wyzard: Cool i gona try it out :-) |
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| 01:22.55 | Wyzard | eldowan: Yes, AIGLX is supported by Xorg 7.1, which is in etch |
| 01:23.04 | centrx | Blue-Steel version numbers are meaningless |
| 01:23.14 | Wyzard | eldowan: Unlike XGL it requires special support from the video driver, which nVidia has but ATI does not (yet) |
| 01:23.24 | eldowan | Wyzard: Hmm. is that enabled by adding an option line in xorg.conf? |
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| 01:23.28 | centrx | Blue-Steel Slackware jumped from version 3 to version 7 as a version number game |
| 01:23.36 | eldowan | Wyzard: I've got an Nvidia chip on my box. :D |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | mandrake also jumped numbers |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | wait .. did they .. |
| 01:23.49 | asg | so did Solaris |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | bah .. who cares |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | asg: no they didn't |
| 01:23.56 | Wyzard | eldowan: AIGLX itself isn't, but if you want to use Compiz you'll need to enable the Composite extension |
| 01:24.03 | Blue-Steel | ok.. lets see ... |
| 01:24.05 | asg | abrotman: 2.7 != 7 |
| 01:24.09 | Wyzard | eldowan: and also upgrade to the 9625 beta driver, if you don't want to wait for 9629 to be packaged |
| 01:24.24 | itchi | When i try to run compiz he say me /usr/bin/glxinfo No such file or dir Missing somethings? |
| 01:24.30 | Blue-Steel | differences from v3 to 3.1r4 ? |
| 01:24.34 | eldowan | Wyzard: I just upgraded to the driver that is at nvidia.com/object/unix |
| 01:24.40 | NestorReloaded | Blue-Steel, : a lot of differences |
| 01:24.42 | asg | Blue-Steel: from 3.0 to 3.1r4? |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | asg: it's SunOS 2.7 |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | erm .. 5.7 |
| 01:24.50 | Blue-Steel | such as? |
| 01:24.57 | eldowan | Wyzard: I'm running a turbo-cache card, and the old 81xx drivers were really slow... |
| 01:24.58 | Wyzard | itchi: glxinfo is in mesa-utils |
| 01:25.00 | itchi | Sorry, have find it |
| 01:25.06 | Kevin` | Blue-Steel just go run etch.. |
| 01:25.22 | itchi | Wyzard: Yeah, just discover it; had search for it the last time i had try it and had not find it |
| 01:25.24 | asg | abrotman: while that's true, why was there a Solaris 2.6 and suddenly Solaris 7? |
| 01:25.24 | Wyzard | eldowan: Debian provides packages of nVidia's drivers which are highly preferable over the nvidia-installer script |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | Blue-Steel: read the release notes |
| 01:25.54 | eldowan | Wyzard: I thought that etch nvidia was out. Why is nvidia-s installer script frowned upon? |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | asg: does anyone actually pay attention to what sun says? |
| 01:25.58 | itchi | Now he tell me /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
| 01:26.00 | Wyzard | eldowan: 8776 is current in sid, 9625 is in experimental, and 9629 will probably replace 8776 in sid soon since it was released recently by nVidia |
| 01:26.12 | asg | abrotman: I certainly don't |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 01:26.28 | itchi | Someone had tell me that it was just an matter of some config files. I not find these |
| 01:26.34 | eldowan | sun says it's bright outside with no clouds... |
| 01:26.42 | Wyzard | eldowan: because it dumps files on your system that dpkg doesn't know about, and can't automatically remove or upgrade when appropriate |
| 01:26.48 | asg | abrotman: the Sun sales people I know use Windows *shrug* |
| 01:26.59 | Wyzard | eldowan: and its interaction with the Mesa GL drivers is likely to break anytime Mesa gets upgraded |
| 01:27.05 | eldowan | Wyzard: Now that is a good reason. so I would /msg dpkg etch nvidia to find out more? |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i've heard that |
| 01:27.34 | asg | abrotman: however, they can't use MS Office, they must use Star Office. |
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| 01:27.49 | Wyzard | eldowan: yes... but uninstall the nvidia-installer stuff as completely as you can before you install the packages, to avoid cruft and potential problems |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | hopefully they save in RTF! |
| 01:28.02 | asg | abrotman: not likely |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 01:28.28 | asg | abrotman: thankfully, antiword is there to help |
| 01:29.03 | Wyzard | eldowan: the way Debian's packages work is there's an "nvida-glx' package which provides the actual Xorg driver and libGL, and "nvidia-kernel-source" which is used to build an "nvidia-kernel" package for your specific kernel |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:29.32 | Wyzard | eldowan: The Xorg driver in nvidia-glx depends on the kernel module provided by nvidia-kernel |
| 01:30.16 | eldowan | Wyzard: I remember going here http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php but not being able to get it to work at all, so I just switched back to the binary driver. |
| 01:31.19 | Wyzard | eldowan: That guy is the maintainer of the packages, but you don't need to download stuff manually from that page... everything you need is already in the archive |
| 01:31.26 | Cooner750 | Is it possible to start X on another display (like 1)? |
| 01:31.34 | asg | Cooner750: startx -- :1 |
| 01:31.52 | eldowan | Wyzard: hmm. Do you know when the nvidia drivers were placed back in the repository? |
| 01:32.37 | Wyzard | eldowan: oh, I forgot that they were removed from etch... just grab them from unstable |
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| 01:32.51 | Wyzard | eldowan: or experimental if you want the 9625 one that supports AIGLX |
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| 01:33.41 | Wyzard | eldowan: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source are the packages you need... then follow the directions from dpkg's "nvidia one-liner" factoid |
| 01:34.20 | eldowan | Wyzard: So I should just go grab the debs, and follow the one-liner? |
| 01:34.26 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 01:38.15 | eldowan | !beer Wyzard |
| 01:38.24 | Wyzard | :-) |
| 01:38.50 | eldowan | Wyzard: Your help on the 2.6.18 kernel worked like a champ. You get a prize if you feel like helping me a little with the nvidia drivers on the ab9. |
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| 01:39.24 | Wyzard | The one-liner should be all you need |
| 01:39.39 | Wyzard | I set up 9625 on mine with no particular problems |
| 01:39.48 | hologram | sorry to butt in .. what's the nvidia one liner? i had nothing but trouble installing nvidia drivers myself on etch |
| 01:39.59 | eldowan | !nvidia oneliner |
| 01:39.59 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 01:40.01 | Wyzard | (until I noticed the random filesystem corruption and aptitude display problems, that eventually led me to find that my motherboard was defective...) |
| 01:40.12 | hologram | wow quite a liner :) |
| 01:40.30 | Wyzard | hologram: Don't use the script from nvidia.com, use the packages and that one-liner |
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| 01:40.37 | eldowan | hologram: one line can take 1TB if you do it right... :D :D |
| 01:40.43 | hologram | :) |
| 01:40.44 | Wyzard | which, yeah, really isn't a "one-liner" unless you have a really wide IRC window :-) |
| 01:41.00 | hologram | !etch nvidia |
| 01:41.00 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 01:41.06 | eldowan | Wyzard: the nvidia-glx packages in unstable all way amd64... |
| 01:41.15 | eldowan | s/way/say/ |
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| 01:41.22 | hologram | wish nvidia would work this out with the community |
| 01:41.26 | hologram | it's a real drag |
| 01:41.27 | Cooner750 | I got compiz working with Xorg 7.1 |
| 01:41.34 | Cooner750 | Since Etch already had Xorg 7.1 |
| 01:41.40 | Cooner750 | And therefore aiglx |
| 01:41.45 | Cooner750 | Works like a charm |
| 01:41.53 | Cooner750 | The effects are quite interesting |
| 01:42.01 | Wyzard | eldowan: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx has both amd64 and i386 packages |
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| 01:47.20 | asg | Wyzard: /msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:49.34 | Cooner750 | I didnt realize it was that easy to get Compiz working in Etch |
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| 01:50.15 | Wyzard | so it's held back because of an RC bug that's been unfixed for over 200 days |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: you could fix it :) |
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| 01:51.05 | Wyzard | but that RC bug "no longer applies, but is kept open as a dummy britney-helping bug" |
| 01:52.29 | Cooner750 | Wow |
| 01:52.30 | eldowan | Wyzard: hmmm. care to help? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4520 nvidia-glx won't install. |
| 01:52.36 | Cooner750 | The 3D Cube effect is awesome |
| 01:52.44 | Wyzard | OK, so apparently they're being manually held back waiting for 2.6.18 to go into etch |
| 01:52.45 | datrus | i need to install a dns server on my server that is used to handle local dns requests only. (so if possible, i don't want port 53 to be open, because i don't want to handle external requests). does anyone know what package to install for this? |
| 01:52.49 | Cooner750 | This beats Apple's effects in OS X |
| 01:52.49 | itchi | Cooner750: Heh, how have you setup it? |
| 01:53.21 | itchi | Cooner750: I trying it also but missing some things that i need to setup or so?? It's not an matter of just installing the stuff? |
| 01:53.26 | eldowan | datrus: If I'm not mistaken, you would have it use port 53, as any dns request will talk to 53. |
| 01:53.29 | Wyzard | eldowan: You have to build and install the nvidia-kernel package first |
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| 01:53.43 | Cooner750 | itchi: What video do you have? |
| 01:53.44 | eldowan | Wyzard: I thought I did... back to the one-liner |
| 01:53.53 | Wyzard | eldowan: Install nvidia-kernel-source, use module-assistant to build nvidia-kernel-${kver} from it, install that, and then install nvidia-glx |
| 01:53.59 | odla | what do i need to package do i need to use subversion |
| 01:54.07 | odla | i.e. svn co http://foo |
| 01:54.13 | eldowan | datrus: You might take a look ab bind views, which presents a different vew for internal vs external |
| 01:54.13 | Wyzard | odla: apt-get install subversion |
| 01:54.14 | itchi | Cooner750: An Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:54.18 | eldowan | odla: subversion |
| 01:54.20 | odla | oh |
| 01:54.25 | odla | i looked for svn |
| 01:54.26 | odla | doh |
| 01:54.34 | Wyzard | itchi: Does 3D already work on that card? |
| 01:54.34 | datrus | eldowan: ok i will try to tell bind to listen only on localhost then |
| 01:54.37 | eldowan | odla: I did the same thing... |
| 01:54.51 | itchi | Cooner750: When i start compiz i get /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
| 01:54.57 | itchi | Wyzard: Yes, poorly |
| 01:54.57 | odla | thanks |
| 01:55.00 | Cooner750 | itchi: I used this: http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
| 01:55.07 | Wyzard | itchi: OK, you're just missing Composite |
| 01:55.08 | itchi | Cooner750: Thanks |
| 01:55.24 | Wyzard | itchi: Open /etc/xorg/xorg.conf in an editor and add these three lines to it: |
| 01:55.31 | Wyzard | Section "Extensions" |
| 01:55.31 | Wyzard | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.31 | Wyzard | EndSection |
| 01:55.32 | itchi | Wyzard: My card work poorly i find, compared in that diabolic os |
| 01:55.35 | stoned | hi |
| 01:55.38 | Wyzard | then restart X |
| 01:55.44 | eldowan | !greet stoned |
| 01:55.45 | dpkg | Wassup, stoned |
| 01:55.47 | enouf | odla I use rapidsvn .. lightweight .. but you may want alsu sysadmsvn or similar |
| 01:56.01 | stoned | I should enable compiz, I got a new video card |
| 01:56.12 | stoned | this should be able to handle some shiz now |
| 01:56.43 | eldowan | stoned: which card did you pick up? |
| 01:57.04 | stoned | 7600gs |
| 01:57.08 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:57.15 | Wyzard | I have one of those |
| 01:57.31 | stoned | agp. I didn't think I was going to upgrade that heavily, but since I started playing Oblivion, I realized, this is bullshit |
| 01:57.35 | Wyzard | It's nice because it's silent -- passive cooling |
| 01:57.37 | itchi | Thanks everyone :-) |
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| 01:59.24 | stoned | I'm about to buy a 680i mobo, e6600 c2d, kingston 1gb 800 stick x 2, I'm debating wether I should go with 7950gtx2 or the new 8800. I will be overclocking the cpu though, heatsink+fan combo, from 2.4 to 2.8 |
| 01:59.26 | Roey | hi! |
| 01:59.31 | Roey | Hi! :) Is there a way to automatically segregate the multiple images I scanned as one large file? |
| 01:59.37 | abrotman | stoned: #hardware |
| 01:59.40 | Roey | stoned: don't |
| 01:59.41 | Roey | abrotman: hi |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | Roey: stiching ? |
| 01:59.46 | stoned | and a 750W psu, whole setup is gonna cost me about a grand |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | stitching |
| 01:59.54 | Roey | abrotman: the opposite, no? |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | stoned: #hardware |
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| 02:00.00 | eldowan | Wyzard: I also needed the kbuild for 2.6.18 |
| 02:00.01 | stoned | abrotman, #foff |
| 02:00.02 | Roey | abrotman: I scanned a buncha photos as one large scan |
| 02:00.08 | Roey | abrotman: I want to save them in multiple files |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | Roey: oh . use gimp .. cut it up |
| 02:00.13 | Roey | yeah but automatically? |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | nfc .. it has scripting |
| 02:00.24 | Wyzard | eldowan: ah, sorry, I forgot about that |
| 02:00.28 | Roey | abrotman: k |
| 02:00.29 | Roey | thanks |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | Roey: ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:00.41 | stoned | and of course, as always that machine will be running sid too |
| 02:00.43 | Wyzard | stoned: What do you need 750W for? |
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| 02:00.51 | Roey | abrotman the Infinitely Useful :) |
| 02:00.56 | enouf | Wyzard: is the switching between compiz/metacity something that update-alternatives can be used for? |
| 02:01.02 | Roey | abrotman: I'll do that. THey're dicks in there, but worth a try |
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| 02:01.15 | Wyzard | enouf: I doubt it, but I've never looked into making compiz my default |
| 02:01.17 | Roey | abrotman: thanks again |
| 02:01.18 | abrotman | Roey: we're dicks in here! |
| 02:01.25 | teksimian | what is the package naming convention debian uses to package their QT themes? |
| 02:01.28 | eldowan | Wyzard: not your fault, I skipped it when I downloaded everything else... |
| 02:01.30 | enouf | Wyzard: --config x-window-manager or similar .. ahh ok then |
| 02:01.36 | Wyzard | stoned: Is the 8800 that power-hungry? |
| 02:01.44 | eldowan | Wyzard: That sure seems to help setting up the nvidia-kernel though... |
| 02:01.45 | Roey | abrotman: *werrrre* dicks until a few Big Dicks left/were booted. |
| 02:01.52 | Roey | fuck |
| 02:01.55 | Roey | still banned from #python |
| 02:01.57 | Roey | motherfuckers. |
| 02:02.08 | centrx | wtf! |
| 02:02.10 | Wyzard | stoned: I built a Conroe system with 2GB RAM, three hard drives, and a 7600GS, and it only draws 150-200W |
| 02:02.24 | eldowan | stoned: Do you play oblivion in debian? |
| 02:02.30 | teksimian | YO, motherfuckers! qt theme naming convention? |
| 02:02.31 | teksimian | ;p |
| 02:02.44 | abrotman | yo .. asshole? man apt-cache |
| 02:02.54 | stoned | Wyzard, I dunno, get Mr. Brotman off my back and I might talk about it ;) |
| 02:02.54 | stoned | Wyzard, I need only 600 really, or even 550 is fine |
| 02:02.56 | stoned | Wyzard, well, I went with the sli certified 750W, said supports dual 8800's |
| 02:03.00 | stoned | I'll be adding an 8800 in a few months |
| 02:03.09 | stoned | of course, on sid I don't require 3d, so open source NV drivers would do me just fine |
| 02:03.21 | Wyzard | stoned: ah, SLI... that doesn't really seem economically worthwhile to me |
| 02:03.29 | Wyzard | Twice the price for nowhere near twice the performance? |
| 02:03.49 | stoned | maybe we should take this to #hardware, its quite ot |
| 02:03.58 | stoned | I'd like to find out why you think that |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | and it's a waste of money! |
| 02:04.03 | enouf | talk about your overkill ... unless you need to bootinto other OSes for making use of 3D |
| 02:04.21 | itchi | I get many (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 With the command cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i aiglx |
| 02:04.28 | Wyzard | If you want to be really l33t, wait for motherboards with PCI Express 2.0, which supports external PCI devices through a cable, and wait for vendors to start selling external multi-core GPUs with their own power supplies and dedicated cooling |
| 02:04.51 | stoned | when that time comes I'll sell this and get another one |
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| 02:05.48 | enouf | itchi: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log too for more info |
| 02:06.53 | stoned | I might not even upgrade, because after some overclocking and cooling, and tweaking oblivion, it runs very very smooth(40-60 fps) with this prescott p4 3.0ghz + 1gb ram |
| 02:07.12 | eldowan | Wyzard: I'm doing a drxx now, should I disable dri? |
| 02:07.14 | stoned | so I'll probably end up saving my money for when the time comes for new gear |
| 02:07.39 | itchi | enouf: I get this http://pastebin.ca/251380 |
| 02:07.44 | Wyzard | eldowan: I don't think there's any harm in having it enabled |
| 02:07.46 | thingfish | hey stoned, how are you lad |
| 02:07.51 | stoned | hey pops |
| 02:07.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:08.06 | stoned | just coughing my balls off |
| 02:08.19 | stoned | its too cold here |
| 02:08.21 | thingfish | stoned: drag...you sick I take it? |
| 02:08.23 | eldowan | stoned: Don't you hate when that happens |
| 02:08.31 | enouf | is going to the pub soon for some drinks and eats :-) .. itchi those don;t look abd ,.. but dunno for sure |
| 02:08.32 | thingfish | oh heh never mind... |
| 02:08.36 | stoned | nyquil does not help, however, debian takes my mind off it |
| 02:08.37 | enouf | bad* even |
| 02:08.45 | thingfish | oh ok then, yes, you are sick |
| 02:08.45 | stoned | tons of stuff to do and get finished |
| 02:08.53 | abrotman | thingfish: where've you been hiding? |
| 02:09.03 | eldowan | stoned: I've heard a shot of whisky will help with a bad cough :) |
| 02:09.03 | itchi | enouf: I have find there an line of it in the xorg, gone #comment and test again, maybe typo error |
| 02:09.08 | thingfish | abrotman: not really hiding, just working. |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | thingfish: you lie! |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | thingfish: next thing .. you'll be telling me you have a boyfriend and live in st louis! |
| 02:09.35 | stoned | thingfish, hows the 'tokerey' going? |
| 02:09.45 | enouf | itchi: thwe only error is from "xandetect" .. the other MIT lines turned up beacuse they contain RR |
| 02:09.51 | enouf | EE* even |
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| 02:10.24 | enouf | oo oo , he he , ha ha |
| 02:10.30 | stoned | dude |
| 02:10.33 | thingfish | abrotman: hehe no, unfortunately, working indeed. Oh and yes, I do have a boyfriend, but we both live here in KC. |
| 02:10.33 | stoned | lol. |
| 02:10.38 | thingfish | stoned: it's fine |
| 02:10.45 | enouf | just felt like making ape noises itchi :-P |
| 02:10.46 | stoned | thingfish, word |
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| 02:11.10 | thingfish | abrotman: I've been to St. Louis. Nasty, filthy city. |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | thingfish: you live in kansas city? not saint louis ? |
| 02:11.54 | stoned | thingfish, tell me about it, my parents used to take us there for their meetings, we'd stay in a hotel, when they got done, we'd go out, that was a long time ago though, when I was in jr high at jeff. jr. high in columbia |
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| 02:11.59 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, kansas city (actually a southeastern semi-rural suburb thereof) |
| 02:12.05 | stoned | st. sucked ass |
| 02:12.06 | eldowan | Wyzard: using the debian drivers, does the nvidia logo not show? |
| 02:12.09 | stoned | +loius |
| 02:12.14 | abrotman | thingfish: i think we've covered this before :) |
| 02:12.22 | hologram | yes, st louis is a nasty city |
| 02:12.23 | Wyzard | eldowan: No, it shows... at least by default; you can disable it |
| 02:12.24 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | thingfish: you should visit norristown! |
| 02:12.44 | Wyzard | eldowan: (in which case you just get a white screen instead, no logo in the middle) |
| 02:12.45 | abrotman | oh wait .. that was fbi/thc that had relatives there |
| 02:12.47 | eldowan | hmm. it didn't show on the ab9, but glxinfo shows I'm running 87.76 |
| 02:12.56 | stoned | abrotman, thc? |
| 02:13.01 | eldowan | Wyzard: I don't even get the white screen. |
| 02:13.04 | stoned | O_o |
| 02:13.06 | Wyzard | hmm, weird |
| 02:13.10 | thingfish | abrotman: last time I was in norristown, I was 8 or so. |
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| 02:13.25 | thingfish | abrotman: but as I might've told you before, I have many many relatives there. |
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| 02:13.31 | abrotman | thingfish: oh .. i htought it was fbi |
| 02:13.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:13.40 | abrotman | (remember fbi/thc) ? |
| 02:14.01 | thingfish | abrotman: actually no, I don't remember us talking about anything like that |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | thingfish: no . it was a person here |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | !seen thc |
| 02:14.13 | thingfish | oh ok |
| 02:14.14 | eldowan | Wyzard: So how would I get aiglx to work? |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | oh lovely |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | who killed him ? |
| 02:14.39 | thingfish | rpm killed him ;) |
| 02:14.40 | Wyzard | eldowan: Did you see the lines I pasted in the channel earlier regarding the Composite extension? |
| 02:14.41 | eldowan | !abuse |
| 02:14.41 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:14.41 | muh2000 | So Update server are slow as a 3600 bit modems..... any reason why ? |
| 02:14.54 | eldowan | Wyzard: I think I was at the ab9 console. |
| 02:15.26 | enouf | s |
| 02:15.26 | enouf | [20:54:33] <Wyzard> itchi: Open /etc/xorg/xorg.conf in an editor and add these three lines to it: |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | it'd be /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:15.44 | enouf | [20:54:39] <Wyzard> Section "Extensions" |
| 02:15.45 | enouf | [20:54:40] <Wyzard> Option "Composite" "Enable" |
| 02:15.45 | enouf | [20:54:40] <Wyzard> EndSection |
| 02:15.48 | Wyzard | eldowan: http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html should cover what you need |
| 02:15.49 | eldowan | enouf: Ah, the composite... OK |
| 02:15.58 | eldowan | !prize Wyzard |
| 02:16.13 | eldowan | I know, I know, dpkg is down. but I promised Wyzard... :D |
| 02:16.16 | enouf | !pony me |
| 02:16.19 | Wyzard | enouf: I asked because I wanted to avoid redundant pasting... |
| 02:16.23 | eldowan | saddle up... |
| 02:16.41 | enouf | is reduntant soemtimes unfortunately :-( |
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| 02:17.08 | eldowan | Wyzard: Now that I understand how to use the debian nvidia drivers, how would I go about cleaning my current system of the binary drivers? |
| 02:17.09 | enouf | dpkg say hello! |
| 02:17.10 | Wyzard | eldowan: You need Composite enabled and I believe you also need the "AddARGBGLXVisuals" option mentioned in that tutorial |
| 02:17.20 | enouf | she's out on the town Iguess |
| 02:17.32 | Wyzard | eldowan: Does nVidia's installer script provide an uninstall feature? |
| 02:18.10 | thingfish | it used to |
| 02:18.20 | eldowan | Wyzard: hmm. good question. Nope. |
| 02:18.22 | thingfish | I think it was something like nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 02:18.23 | enouf | goes out to find his own version of dpkg, but somehow knows he'll end up with something much less |
| 02:18.42 | eldowan | thingfish: nvidia-installer --help doesn't list it, but I'll give it a show. |
| 02:18.43 | itchi | Yeah, when everythings is up, about that compiz, gnome always restart after i have loged in |
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| 02:18.51 | eldowan | s/show/shot/ |
| 02:19.01 | thingfish | eldowan: who knows yeah, they could've dropped that |
| 02:19.06 | itchi | It's cleaned, just that compiz not want it |
| 02:19.13 | Wyzard | They'd be stupid if they did |
| 02:19.18 | eldowan | thingfish: Just not shown by nvidia-installer --help. It worked like a champ. Thanks :D |
| 02:19.18 | thingfish | hah |
| 02:19.18 | itchi | Gona test on another comp |
| 02:19.24 | dpkg | thc <n=420@unaffiliated/thc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 218d 23h 27m 38s ago, saying: '!es'. |
| 02:19.25 | thingfish | neato |
| 02:19.28 | dpkg | niihau |
| 02:19.43 | enouf | wb dpkg |
| 02:19.45 | abrotman | thingfish: see! |
| 02:19.52 | thingfish | dpkg you sure took long enough |
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| 02:20.05 | enouf | dpkg where were you? |
| 02:20.05 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 02:20.08 | thingfish | (dpkg must be hitting the gin again!) |
| 02:20.11 | enouf | uh oh .. |
| 02:20.20 | deema | anybody here willing to help me get a wifi driver to work? |
| 02:20.20 | enouf | Rum candy for sure |
| 02:20.25 | dpkg | hello! |
| 02:20.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:20.31 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:20.32 | thingfish | it's gone totally nuts |
| 02:20.35 | enouf | ahhhh /... gracias dpkg |
| 02:20.40 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 02:20.44 | eldowan | Wyzard: there is your medal. better late than never. |
| 02:20.49 | itchi | Someone is playing with it :-) |
| 02:21.00 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 02:21.05 | enouf | got my pony to add to my string of polop-onies |
| 02:21.07 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 02:21.17 | stoned | instructions on what to do when dpkg is down |
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| 02:23.12 | XrMb2 | what package contains the binary "mail" ? |
| 02:23.23 | azeem | !search |
| 02:23.32 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 02:23.56 | XrMb2 | oh right, but there are veeeeeery much results |
| 02:24.05 | muh2000 | wtf is wrong with debian servers ? |
| 02:24.12 | enouf | XrMb2: add | grep <keyword> |
| 02:25.02 | enouf | XrMb2: for ex: apt-cache search mail | grep binary |
| 02:25.10 | thingfish | muh2000: probably nothing. |
| 02:25.37 | muh2000 | thingfish a few bytes per seconds doesnt look like nothing.... |
| 02:25.38 | enouf | XrMb2: or vice-versa |
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| 02:26.06 | enouf | muh2000: post a URL .. you youtubular is clogged |
| 02:26.16 | thingfish | muh2000: just being realistic. if there were something truly wrong with them, you would not be the only one reporting it here. |
| 02:26.21 | eldowan | Wyzard: I installed the 8776 driver. To get the 9629 I grab the required packages from experimental, correct? |
| 02:26.37 | thingfish | muh2000: maybe it's just the server you've chosen. |
| 02:26.49 | itchi | heh, when i do glxinfo | grep direct throught an ssh connection; it do restart my local X :-/ |
| 02:26.55 | thingfish | muh2000: you can run apt-setup and select a new source. |
| 02:27.12 | enouf | goes away for a while .. need some <make up whatever you need> |
| 02:27.14 | muh2000 | thingfish selected diffrent.... |
| 02:27.20 | Wyzard | eldowan: 9629 isn't in Debian yet, but 9625 is in experimental, yes |
| 02:27.23 | thingfish | muh2000: unless of course you're on etch or sid. ;) |
| 02:27.26 | eldowan | enouf: pony??? |
| 02:27.28 | Wyzard | eldowan: 9629 will probably be packaged soon, I imagine |
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| 02:27.35 | eldowan | Wyzard: Thanks. |
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| 02:27.44 | muh2000 | thingfish sarge i am (amd 64 ;) ) |
| 02:27.44 | myren | how can i setup a network swap file? |
| 02:27.48 | myren | nfs doesnt f'ing work |
| 02:28.00 | abrotman | myren: why do you want one ? |
| 02:28.02 | Wyzard | myren: You might want to look into nbd-server |
| 02:28.10 | Kevin` | myren i've had good luck using nbd for that |
| 02:28.37 | stoned | I've exported drives from windows through an nbd service |
| 02:28.59 | deema | anybody here use prism54? |
| 02:29.02 | Kevin` | there's an nbd driver for windows? |
| 02:29.05 | stoned | its great until your connection breaks, then shit hits the fan |
| 02:29.08 | Kevin` | well server |
| 02:29.09 | stoned | Kevin`, indeed |
| 02:29.15 | Wyzard | deema: I used to, but not recently |
| 02:29.19 | muh2000 | thingfish the interessting thing is the security.debian.org is fast. the rest isnt but i am running a testdownload an it seems to be a problem with my kernel :/ |
| 02:29.21 | myren | abrotman: 32mb ram on this wifi router |
| 02:29.28 | deema | Wyzard, do you think you could help me? |
| 02:29.36 | Kevin` | muh2000 why not just try a different mirror |
| 02:29.39 | Wyzard | deema: depends on what you need help with |
| 02:29.49 | deema | getting the driver to work |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | myren: are you doing image processing on the wifi router ? :) |
| 02:29.55 | myren | abrotman: the music database it runs is already >32 mb of file names |
| 02:30.03 | muh2000 | Kevin`did that abou 10 times... |
| 02:30.37 | Wyzard | deema: Get the firmware from prism54.org and then modprobe the driver |
| 02:30.39 | myren | abrotman: do you have commit bit? |
| 02:30.53 | muh2000 | thingfish apt-setup is nice but apt-setup has an outdated sourcelist *puke* |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | myren: you know .. it's a router ... |
| 02:31.18 | eduhat | how do i uninstall open office? |
| 02:31.18 | myren | its playing this 192kbps mp3 just fine |
| 02:31.27 | myren | @40% cpu |
| 02:31.38 | myren | i cant wait till i get pulse audio on it |
| 02:31.45 | deema | Wyzard |
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| 02:32.23 | Kevin` | myren what router? |
| 02:32.40 | myren | netgear wgt634u |
| 02:32.57 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
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| 02:33.06 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:33.28 | deema | Wyzard, you there? |
| 02:33.36 | Kevin` | myren mm nice piece of hardware |
| 02:33.50 | Wyzard | deeem: yes |
| 02:33.59 | Wyzard | deema: yes |
| 02:34.10 | deema | PM |
| 02:34.18 | Wyzard | no |
| 02:34.26 | deema | .. |
| 02:34.31 | deema | so how do I modprobe it? |
| 02:34.38 | myren | Kevin`: its a wonderful kit. |
| 02:34.38 | Wyzard | modprobe prism54 |
| 02:34.44 | Wyzard | what model is your card? |
| 02:34.50 | myren | Kevin`: i'm dying to get the crypto accelerator and dma engines working |
| 02:34.57 | deema | that didn't seem to do anything |
| 02:35.01 | deema | WUSB54Gv2 |
| 02:35.10 | muh2000 | ssh terminal ist kinda slow.... what could that be ? |
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| 02:35.26 | Wyzard | OK, that's a SoftMAC device |
| 02:35.33 | Kevin` | myren what software does it normally run? |
| 02:35.38 | deema | yes, I got the softmac firmware |
| 02:35.46 | Wyzard | Those aren't supported by the standard prism54 driver -- there's a separate driver for those, called "islsm" |
| 02:35.55 | Wyzard | but I don't think it's part of the standard kernel |
| 02:35.55 | deema | yes I got that |
| 02:36.01 | deema | I can't get that to work |
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| 02:36.20 | Wyzard | Presumably you'd compile it and then "modprobe islsm" |
| 02:36.25 | sandman | Java got opensources? |
| 02:36.33 | Wyzard | but I don't have any experience with SoftMAC cards -- the one I used was a FullMAC |
| 02:36.43 | sandman | Am I reading this right? I couldn't find which license it is quite yet though... still searching |
| 02:37.03 | Wyzard | sandman: GPL, yes... parts released already, and parts to be released in the months to come |
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| 02:37.20 | deema | well Wyzard, any other advice. that doesn't work either. I've been trying forever to get this working |
| 02:37.44 | Wyzard | sandman: The class library will be GPL with an exception so that proprietary software doesn't have to become GPL just by utilizing the standard Java library classes |
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| 02:38.14 | Wyzard | sandman: I don't have any specific advice because I've never done it myself |
| 02:38.44 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:38.52 | Wyzard | deema: That last comment was meant for you |
| 02:39.03 | myren | Kevin`: the wgt has some bastard linux cobbled together by netgear. it runs http://openwrt.org though |
| 02:39.04 | deema | okay |
| 02:39.10 | myren | which is _wonderful_ |
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| 02:40.01 | Wyzard | deema: Alternatively you could try using ndiswrapper, but I've never used that with a USB device so I probably can't help much with that either |
| 02:40.13 | deema | well, I wanted to use rfmon |
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| 02:40.40 | [DHX] | good nightt |
| 02:40.45 | [DHX] | bonne nuit |
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| 02:45.11 | eduhat | anyone here use kismet? |
| 02:45.17 | eduhat | i need help with some config file |
| 02:46.36 | eldowan | Wyzard: grrr. I have no idea what is going wrong. X says I have a version mis-match, but everything shows as 9625. http://pastebin.com/827111 |
| 02:46.44 | muh2000 | something is really weird with my kernel. opening a textfile takes like 2minuts |
| 02:47.02 | muh2000 | or more |
| 02:47.06 | NestorReloaded | try dmes or tail /var/log/syslog |
| 02:47.09 | muh2000 | isnt open yet ^^ |
| 02:47.13 | NestorReloaded | to see if there's something wrong |
| 02:47.27 | NestorReloaded | what size does the text file has? |
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| 02:47.37 | NestorReloaded | dmesg, sorry |
| 02:48.03 | eduhat | can anyone help me? |
| 02:48.12 | eldowan | !ask |
| 02:48.39 | eldowan | eduhat: Just ask your question instead of asking to ask it. |
| 02:48.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:48.54 | eduhat | okay; what would i use for the source part in the kismet.conf file, i have a senao 2511 card, with chipset 2.5, and the interface is eth1, what would i put for the source section? |
| 02:49.06 | Wyzard | eldowan: modprobe nvidia -- does that work? |
| 02:49.15 | muh2000 | NestorReloaded: doesnt matter it seems to be a problem with ssh/netwerok/remoteterminal/something in that area. directly at the machine it opens fast as it should :) i have something strange becasue doenloading is slower than a 33,6k modem |
| 02:49.26 | eldowan | Wyzard: I did that. I followed the entire oneliner. I'll try again though. |
| 02:49.37 | NestorReloaded | mmmmmm |
| 02:49.53 | Wyzard | eldowan: The error message says it failed to load the kernel module, so that'd be a good first thing to try |
| 02:49.54 | eldowan | Wyzard: Wait. do I have to unload the 8776 before the 9625 will load? |
| 02:49.55 | muh2000 | i cant find anything unusual |
| 02:50.02 | Wyzard | eldowan: yeah, you have to unload the old one |
| 02:50.10 | eldowan | modprobe -r nvidia? |
| 02:50.16 | Wyzard | yep |
| 02:50.21 | eduhat | eldowan: so? i asked the question... |
| 02:50.21 | Wyzard | You'll have to quit X so it isn't in use |
| 02:50.23 | NestorReloaded | muh2000, have you watched the log files? |
| 02:50.37 | muh2000 | NestorReloaded: i cant find anything unusual |
| 02:50.45 | eldowan | eduhat: Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about; I can be of no use to you :/ |
| 02:50.59 | eduhat | eldowan: okay |
| 02:51.04 | eldowan | Wyzard: And the new modprobe nvidia should load the 9625, correct? |
| 02:51.11 | Wyzard | yep |
| 02:52.00 | muh2000 | textfile is open now ^^ |
| 02:52.11 | NestorReloaded | mmmmmmmm |
| 02:52.14 | eldowan | Wyzard === Wizard! |
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| 02:52.16 | NestorReloaded | big text file? lol |
| 02:52.21 | eldowan | Wyzard: Thanks a bunch. |
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| 02:53.03 | muh2000 | NestorReloaded: small makefile. as i said at the computer direct it opens fast. over ssh/putty it takes minutes |
| 02:53.13 | NestorReloaded | mmm |
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| 02:53.24 | NestorReloaded | ethernet connection? |
| 02:54.08 | muh2000 | NestorReloaded: yes. gbit lan. worked before reinstall with up to 80mbytes/s.... |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | muh2000: rdns |
| 02:54.22 | NestorReloaded | strange... |
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| 02:55.20 | itchi | hhhm, on the other computer, when i setup compiz and restart x i have no more the window manager. How come that? |
| 02:56.00 | muh2000 | abrotman what is rdns ? |
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| 02:56.43 | abrotman | muh2000: put your IP/hostname in /etc/hosts .. see what happens |
| 02:57.13 | muh2000 | abrotman: of my client or of my server? |
| 02:57.16 | NestorReloaded | it's the same if you use IP insteaf of name in ssh |
| 02:57.24 | abrotman | the one you're going to |
| 02:57.45 | muh2000 | NestorReloaded i just used the ip.... |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | muh2000: try what i said |
| 02:57.57 | muh2000 | abrotman the what i am what ? (not nativ english) |
| 02:57.57 | NestorReloaded | then is not a dns query problem |
| 02:58.04 | NestorReloaded | abrotman, what's your point= |
| 02:58.19 | NestorReloaded | it well be in vain |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: you haven't helped at all |
| 02:58.36 | Red_Cloud | How does a person convert a *.tar.gz into a *.xpm.gz? |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | xpm is a file format |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | an image type |
| 02:58.54 | NestorReloaded | at least I try good ideas, instead of losing time abrotman |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: maybe you should let him try it |
| 02:59.19 | NestorReloaded | you've no point at doing that |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: i don't think you've actually helped anyone that i've seen :) |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | NestorReloaded: then put me on /ignore .. i'll bother you no more |
| 02:59.31 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I am installing a bootsplash and the zip file .tzr.gz contains image files |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | muh2000: in your /etc/hosts .. put your IP/hostname |
| 02:59.51 | muh2000 | well 127.0.0.1 is bound to the name of the computer |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | on the machine you're ssh'ing too .. in the /etc/hosts .. put the IP/hostname ofthe machine you're ssh'ing from |
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| 03:01.43 | iLLf8d | hey all is there a way to fix blootbot when forgotten entries show with a #DEL#? |
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| 03:02.02 | iLLf8d | not this channels blootbot just blootbots in general? |
| 03:02.17 | iLLf8d | I figure someone probably knows it well enough to answer |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | iLLf8d: ask the author |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 03:02.32 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 03:03.59 | muh2000 | abrotman: no use, i try something else first. i am going to reboot my server etc... |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:04.25 | muh2000 | brb |
| 03:05.37 | bathat | hi |
| 03:09.51 | n3kl | Hello |
| 03:10.25 | eldowan | Wyzard: It looks like I'm almost there... I have made the changes to the xorg.conf but aiglx isn't working with the 9625 beta driver. |
| 03:10.51 | Wyzard | Are you trying to start compiz and getting an error? |
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| 03:11.24 | bathat | hi Wyzard |
| 03:11.29 | Wyzard | hello |
| 03:11.32 | eldowan | Wyzard: According to the guide, this command cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i aiglx should output aiglx enabled. Mine doesn't do that. |
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| 03:11.58 | itchi | Wyzard: Heh, on one compute when i setup it like on that blog page there and restart it, i get no more borders around every app; looks like somethings goes wrong with the wm |
| 03:12.13 | bathat | eldowan: are you trying to install compiz? |
| 03:12.16 | Wyzard | eldowan: Neither does mine, actually, but compiz works anyway, so I think that advice is outdated |
| 03:12.19 | eldowan | bathat: Yes. |
| 03:12.22 | bathat | yeah |
| 03:12.36 | bathat | i don't have any experience with that, unfortunately |
| 03:12.41 | bathat | otherwise, i'd help |
| 03:12.43 | itchi | he compiz night :-p |
| 03:12.48 | eldowan | bathat: Thanks anyway. |
| 03:12.55 | bathat | what's it called again... |
| 03:12.59 | Wyzard | bathat: Any luck getting your nvidia-glx mess sorted out? |
| 03:13.08 | bathat | i'm about to try again |
| 03:13.11 | bathat | just got back |
| 03:13.24 | bathat | hopefully i'll get it working |
| 03:13.24 | abrotman | muh2000: fix it ? |
| 03:13.28 | Wyzard | eldowan: bathat's computer is a great example of what happens when you use nVidia's script installer and don't uninstall it properly :-) |
| 03:13.39 | eduhat | anyone here use the hostap driver for wireless? |
| 03:13.42 | bathat | that's right... i'm so proud |
| 03:13.50 | eldowan | bathat: I just learned about nvidia-installer --uninstall. |
| 03:14.18 | bathat | eldowan: oh yeah... |
| 03:14.19 | Wyzard | eldowan: Anyway, try just running "compiz --replace &" and see if it works |
| 03:14.34 | bathat | well, i uninstalled the driver but there are still remnants left over, i guess |
| 03:14.40 | muh2000 | abrotman: hmmm looks like my kernel is the couse of the main problem. but the debian kernel seems to have some problems too (eth0 transmit timeout could be the old driver) |
| 03:14.48 | itchi | bathat: Does it pain? |
| 03:14.49 | eldowan | Wyzard: Actually, it was my mistake. I added the autostart file in KDE for root, not my user. Once I added the correct file, it works wonders. |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | muh2000: that makes no sense .. |
| 03:14.56 | eldowan | !prize Wyzard |
| 03:14.58 | eldowan | !beer Wyzard |
| 03:15.11 | bathat | itchi: what? my head? |
| 03:15.20 | itchi | bathat: No the desk |
| 03:15.30 | itchi | haha |
| 03:15.30 | bathat | i wish i'd have known about this channel much earlier |
| 03:15.40 | bathat | i have a couple other problems too... :-) |
| 03:15.42 | itchi | bathat: Everyone think the same ;-) |
| 03:16.10 | bathat | the desk is fine, it's my head that is hurting |
| 03:16.30 | eldowan | Wyzard: I'm going to try to install compiz on my X2 machine now. I want to make sure I have all the required information. uninstall the nvidia binary driver with the --uninstall option, and follow the oneliner to get the 9625 driver working. Then install and configure for compiz, is this correct? |
| 03:16.33 | itchi | bathat: As long the desk have no troubles :-p :-) |
| 03:16.40 | bathat | well, it cracked a little |
| 03:16.42 | bathat | ;) |
| 03:16.50 | Wyzard | eldowan: right |
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| 03:17.18 | eldowan | Wyzard: Alright. One more question before I screw up my system :D. compiz supports twinview, right? |
| 03:17.39 | muh2000 | abrotman: i dont know :( downloading is faster.... apt-get uses 230kbyte/s of 375 kbyte/s from a server overseas.... (that is ok) i am going to compile a new kernel and hope i find the module that couses the problem. |
| 03:17.57 | abrotman | muh2000: uhm ok |
| 03:18.00 | Wyzard | eldowan: never tried it, but I'd imagine it probably does... the point of TwinView is that the two monitors are indistinguishable from a single big monitor as far as the rest of X is concerned |
| 03:18.04 | bathat | i just used nvidia-installer again (stupid) and this time, it removed libGL.so just fine |
| 03:18.18 | bathat | installed and uninstalled |
| 03:18.32 | eldowan | this is freenode, yes? or is this oftc? |
| 03:18.41 | itchi | eldowan: Freenode |
| 03:18.50 | bathat | wow, that did it |
| 03:18.54 | bathat | what in the world |
| 03:18.59 | bathat | freenode |
| 03:19.07 | itchi | eldowan: There's the same on oftc |
| 03:19.33 | bathat | yeah, but much fewer users, if my thinking is right |
| 03:19.47 | bathat | Wyzard: nvidia-glx was uninstalled successfully |
| 03:19.56 | itchi | bathat: Setting up 3D is a bit strange, if you have no experiences with the steps to take, once you did it several times, you will see, it's peace of cake ;-) |
| 03:20.01 | bathat | all i did was install and uninstall with the nvidia-installer |
| 03:20.02 | eldowan | itchi: Yes, I asked because I'm on both and wanted to get back to this room with Wyzard and itchi and bathat |
| 03:20.13 | eldowan | bathat: that's all it takes... :) |
| 03:20.13 | bathat | yeah, thanks itchi |
| 03:20.25 | bathat | not what i was expecting |
| 03:20.26 | itchi | eldowan: :-p |
| 03:20.31 | bathat | easier than |
| 03:20.56 | bathat | wow |
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| 03:21.29 | itchi | bathat: wow is not so complicated too :-) |
| 03:21.42 | itchi | bathat: Running right now? |
| 03:21.43 | user_ | how do I change my handle? |
| 03:21.55 | Wyzard | user_: /nick newnick |
| 03:22.03 | itchi | bathat: Ready to tryout Flight Gear Flight Simulator? |
| 03:22.04 | bathat | reinstalled nvidia-glx |
| 03:22.09 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: thanks a bunch. |
| 03:22.28 | Wyzard | You're welcome |
| 03:23.17 | odla | youtube-dl ;) |
| 03:23.56 | eduhat | anyone here use hostap? |
| 03:24.07 | bathat | weird, now i can't load the nvidia module |
| 03:24.12 | bathat | wonder what changed |
| 03:24.17 | itchi | oll1: Ow, works with python, i gona like that :-) |
| 03:24.24 | bathat | odla: how did you get youtube-dl to work? |
| 03:24.29 | bathat | i tried once |
| 03:24.33 | itchi | odla: I need to learn to type ^^ |
| 03:25.09 | odla | bathat: youtube-dl <url> |
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| 03:25.09 | bathat | yeah, i'm sure i tried that |
| 03:25.09 | odla | bathat: than mplayer foo.file |
| 03:25.12 | bathat | hmm ok, will have to try again later |
| 03:25.15 | bathat | thanks |
| 03:25.16 | eldowan2 | youtube-dl? nice. |
| 03:25.20 | odla | bathat: well it's working for me as we speak |
| 03:25.24 | eldowan2 | i'll have to take a look at that |
| 03:25.27 | eduhat | how do i configure my wireless card with hostap driver? |
| 03:25.29 | odla | d/l quick :D |
| 03:25.39 | bathat | video ook extension for firefox downloads a .flv file |
| 03:25.47 | bathat | so i've just been using that |
| 03:25.57 | odla | bathat: oh well that works too |
| 03:26.10 | odla | though cl tends to be quicker |
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| 03:26.41 | eldowan2 | odla: whats cl? |
| 03:26.47 | odla | command line |
| 03:26.57 | eldowan2 | now I feel dumb :D |
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| 03:27.24 | odla | hrm...i don't think it downloaded all of it |
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| 03:27.48 | bathat | sometimes the video is all out of sync |
| 03:27.55 | bathat | do you have this problem with cli? |
| 03:28.05 | itchi | Tryout somethings like that python youtube-dl.py http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nU0uy8Mfzo |
| 03:28.07 | bathat | a-v sync all out of wack |
| 03:28.08 | odla | bathat: i have used it very much |
| 03:28.18 | bathat | oh ok |
| 03:28.48 | bathat | wish i could copy in virtual terminal |
| 03:29.03 | odla | bathat: you can...use the middle button? |
| 03:29.12 | itchi | ... and he save the file in the cwd like that 0nU0uy8Mfzo.flv |
| 03:29.19 | odla | or highlight and click both right + left buttons |
| 03:29.23 | bathat | no mouse |
| 03:29.29 | bathat | cursor |
| 03:29.36 | odla | bathat: oh sure |
| 03:29.47 | itchi | bathat: There's an package to simulate the mouse with the keyboard, i not remember which one exactly |
| 03:29.52 | bathat | it needs access to the x server |
| 03:30.00 | bathat | oh yeah |
| 03:30.10 | bathat | there's a keystroke |
| 03:30.15 | bathat | can't remember what it is |
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| 03:30.26 | bathat | darn |
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| 03:32.08 | aFlag | hello, I need to use this package: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=smlnj which is not available to testing. Is there a way I can help to make it available? |
| 03:32.28 | itchi | bathat: You want to restart x? |
| 03:32.33 | odla | aFlag: get it from unstable via pinning? or backports? |
| 03:32.38 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 03:32.38 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 03:33.07 | odla | or pay abrotman to package it for you |
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| 03:33.49 | bathat | itchi: i've got x working again |
| 03:33.54 | bathat | had to reinstall nvidia-kernel |
| 03:33.58 | bathat | x and glx |
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| 03:35.49 | eduhat | anyone know of a channel that could help me get my wifi card working with hostap driver, it works now but the driver is supposed to be hostap; any channels other than wireless? |
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| 03:36.10 | abrotman | #wireless ? |
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| 03:36.28 | eduhat | tried that, there not helping |
| 03:36.30 | itchi | eduhat: Have you setup that with ipw, madwifi?? Looks to these channels of the brand? |
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| 03:37.16 | eduhat | nope, havnt setup anything |
| 03:38.07 | zmutte | Hey, I am running irssi with screen and something curious has happend, a conversation between me and oneother has been stored to a file named hardcopy.0 and I was wondering how and why it happened. I haven't told irssi to do so or screen |
| 03:38.11 | zmutte | anyone got any idea? |
| 03:38.19 | n00rul | eduhat: If it is already working then? |
| 03:38.42 | dondelelcaro | zmutte: you told irssi to make a copy of the screen. |
| 03:38.49 | dondelelcaro | s/irssi/screen/ |
| 03:38.57 | zmutte | is there any short command for it? |
| 03:39.08 | zmutte | that I have by accident used? |
| 03:39.28 | eduhat | n00rul: well i need to get kismet working, that is the problem... |
| 03:39.42 | dondelelcaro | zmutte: man screen; and read about hardcopy. |
| 03:40.06 | zmutte | Ah |
| 03:40.07 | zmutte | C-a h |
| 03:40.08 | eduhat | n00rul: i tried using the hostap sourcetype but it didnt work; it couldnt goto monitor mode |
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| 03:40.43 | bathat | does anyone have any ideas why my x server would randomly freeze? |
| 03:41.01 | bathat | i was trying to play a youtube video and, about 5 seconds in, *freeze* |
| 03:41.03 | itchi | eduhat: Which card have you? |
| 03:41.05 | eldowan2 | bad nvidia uninstall? |
| 03:41.08 | eldowan2 | :D |
| 03:41.19 | eduhat | itchi: i have a senao 2511 card with a prism 2.5 chipset |
| 03:41.23 | bathat | i was getting the same thing with the drivers from nvidia |
| 03:41.31 | bathat | but not so quickly |
| 03:41.46 | mlowe | bathat, maybe you are doing a large swap ! |
| 03:41.48 | bathat | itchi: fx5200 |
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| 03:42.02 | bathat | mlowe: i have 1GB of memory |
| 03:42.10 | itchi | eduhat: For my ipw3945 i had to modify the Makefile and uncommend the monitor mode. Maybe ... |
| 03:42.13 | zulu9 | bathat: which flashplugin do you use? I saw some freezes with flash7, seems to have been fixed in new flash9 beta |
| 03:42.15 | bathat | and my swapspace is very large |
| 03:42.23 | bathat | zulu9: flashplayer 9 beta1 |
| 03:42.28 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: Well, I got compiz to work, but all my windows have a black filling.... |
| 03:42.34 | bathat | was stuck with flash7 for so long |
| 03:42.37 | itchi | eduhat: Looks like for my card, the monitor mode is default not available |
| 03:42.42 | mlowe | bathat, i did say maybe ! |
| 03:42.46 | Wyzard | eldowan2: hmm... I haven't seen that happen |
| 03:42.52 | eduhat | itchi: so no monitor mode? |
| 03:43.00 | n00rul | bathat: which version of flashplayer? |
| 03:43.01 | bathat | mlowe: yeah, sorry ;) |
| 03:43.10 | bathat | n00rul: looks up |
| 03:43.14 | zulu9 | bathat: hmm. I only know that the flahs-video would freeze after about 5 secs sometimes, but not the whole X-server. Seems to be a problem adobe has to care about though |
| 03:43.16 | Wyzard | eldowan2: The only problem I've seen with compiz was window borders not appearing on nVidia systems, and that's been fixed |
| 03:43.17 | itchi | eduhat: Now i have it, after editing that Makefile, and it works right now |
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| 03:43.37 | bathat | zulu9: nv driver doesn't give me any problems |
| 03:43.38 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: grr. maybe the problem is that it's a turbo-cache card? |
| 03:43.43 | eduhat | itchi: so what could i do to make it work? |
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| 03:43.46 | itchi | eduhat: I not know about your card, just share my experience about that monitor mode |
| 03:43.51 | bathat | it's not only when i'm playing flash videos though, i don't think |
| 03:43.55 | Wyzard | eldowan2: What is "turbo-cache" ? |
| 03:43.56 | n00rul | bathat: I think flash9 plugin also have some issues. I am facing one problem which was not there when I was using the earlier one |
| 03:44.09 | itchi | eduhat: Maybe look to the docs of the stuff :-/ |
| 03:44.17 | bathat | Wyzard: a type of memory, i think |
| 03:44.22 | bathat | faster |
| 03:44.22 | eduhat | itchi: allright, im trying... |
| 03:44.24 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: the card uses a small amount of memory local to it, and uses some system memory from the mobo too |
| 03:44.34 | eldowan2 | bathat: actually, its slower |
| 03:44.40 | bathat | on the older cards |
| 03:44.51 | Wyzard | eldowan2: That shouldn't affect how things display, unless something's broken |
| 03:44.54 | itchi | eduhat: Yeah, you need to search for it, maybe is that also disable default, if that card support it |
| 03:45.01 | zulu9 | bathat: did X freeze without using flash yet? |
| 03:45.04 | bathat | let me try playing a video with mplayer |
| 03:45.10 | bathat | let me chk |
| 03:45.16 | itchi | eduhat: Just not give it to fast up ;-) |
| 03:45.18 | Wyzard | eldowan2: but it's funny how they take a limitation (lack of significant dedicated video RAM) and give it a name that makes it sound like a high-performance feature :-) |
| 03:45.43 | eduhat | itchi: ive been trying for a while now |
| 03:45.50 | eduhat | itchi: all i need is kismet to work.. |
| 03:46.02 | eduhat | itchi: it says it wont go into monitor mode |
| 03:46.03 | itchi | eduhat: Can you give me the output of lspic, that card line? |
| 03:46.29 | n00rul | !dpkg etch |
| 03:46.36 | odla | !etch |
| 03:46.37 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 03:46.37 | odla | ? |
| 03:46.38 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: Oh yes, funny indeed. |
| 03:46.38 | itchi | eduhat: Here too, i not wanted to go in the monitor mode, i got then an error, like he was not knowing about that monitor mode. Now he no more complain about it and work |
| 03:47.00 | n00rul | !etch |
| 03:47.00 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 03:47.14 | n00rul | Any idea when etch will be available? |
| 03:47.15 | eduhat | itchi: so what do you suggest i go? |
| 03:47.18 | itchi | eduhat: s/i\ not/it\ not/ |
| 03:47.23 | n00rul | I couldn't see any release date on debian.org |
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| 03:47.25 | odla | n00rul: when it's ready? |
| 03:47.34 | eduhat | itchi: i am root btw |
| 03:47.48 | itchi | eduhat: To look to the docs, there's noted if it's disabled or not default |
| 03:48.17 | n00rul | odla: I am sorry I could'nt understand. |
| 03:48.29 | eduhat | itchi: ill try |
| 03:48.44 | itchi | eduhat: Had you need to compile somethings ? |
| 03:49.07 | itchi | eduhat: My card use ipw3945, i had need to download that and 'make' it. |
| 03:49.08 | eduhat | itchi: nope, but i did a aptitude install hostap-source ; just in case |
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| 03:49.16 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:49.16 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
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| 03:49.29 | eduhat | itchi: do you have the same card as me? |
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| 03:49.38 | eldowan2 | I just don't get it. I guess it is compiz, because everything works correctly untill the window decorations change and gnome takes over the decorations. |
| 03:49.45 | itchi | eduhat: I have not get your output of lspci :-) |
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| 03:50.19 | itchi | eduhat: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 03:51.22 | itchi | eduhat: Same? |
| 03:52.15 | eduhat | 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 09 |
| 03:52.35 | eduhat | but that might be the hard wired controller |
| 03:52.35 | itchi | eduhat: Is that wired? |
| 03:52.41 | eduhat | yes |
| 03:52.44 | itchi | okay |
| 03:52.51 | eduhat | im not connected through wireless right now |
| 03:53.01 | itchi | eduhat: Just look with lspci |
| 03:53.33 | itchi | heh |
| 03:54.33 | itchi | eduhat: You have still not showed your card ;-) |
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| 03:55.32 | eduhat | yeah i know, how do i show my card? |
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| 03:55.40 | itchi | eduhat: lspci |
| 03:55.45 | eduhat | what do i look for? |
| 03:55.57 | itchi | eduhat: An line that match your wifi card |
| 03:56.07 | eduhat | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) |
| 03:56.10 | eduhat | maybe that? |
| 03:56.13 | bathat | i tested the nv driver and flash video played all the way through |
| 03:56.14 | itchi | nope |
| 03:56.18 | bathat | am going to try nvidia now |
| 03:56.23 | eduhat | then i dont think its up here |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 03:56.27 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 03:56.29 | itchi | bathat: hehe, ask nvidia :-/ |
| 03:56.46 | bathat | my bet is that it will crash |
| 03:56.59 | bathat | ha, going to try the nvidia driver |
| 03:57.05 | itchi | Is that with paprika? |
| 03:57.07 | zulu9 | eduhat: paste the enite output to http://paste.debian.net/ (click on send) so we (esp. itchi ;) ) can see it |
| 03:57.14 | itchi | ... the chips ... |
| 03:57.15 | eduhat | i really dont see anything... |
| 03:57.25 | itchi | eduhat: Look to what dpkg told |
| 03:57.38 | vivithemage | which one the debian or nvidia bathat? |
| 03:57.47 | eduhat | dpkg what? |
| 03:57.48 | dpkg | This! |
| 03:57.52 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: It is a problem somewhere. I install glitz and libcairodirectfb-2 and the black window effect went away, but I couldn't do anything b/c it was so slow.... |
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| 03:58.06 | itchi | eduhat: Scroll a bit above ... |
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| 03:58.26 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: It looks to be a low dedicated graphics memory problem. not enough memory = black windows.... :( |
| 03:58.43 | itchi | eduhat: See it? |
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| 03:58.59 | eduhat | itchi: what dpkg flag do i use??? |
| 03:59.10 | itchi | eduhat: ho ho |
| 03:59.19 | itchi | !whats my hardware |
| 03:59.20 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 03:59.22 | bokey | itchi: hello =) |
| 03:59.26 | itchi | eduhat: Look htat ^^^ |
| 03:59.34 | bathat | yep, crashed |
| 03:59.36 | itchi | bokey: Hello man ;-) |
| 03:59.55 | bathat | and i think it's crashed before without flash in the eqn |
| 04:00.04 | eduhat | doesnt show anything when i run something like this dpkg lspci |
| 04:00.08 | itchi | eduhat: By the way, 'dpkg' is an robot |
| 04:00.11 | bathat | as it was crashing, everything started slowing down |
| 04:00.14 | bathat | like typing etc |
| 04:00.17 | eduhat | itchi: i really dont know what to run or anything |
| 04:00.23 | eduhat | oh, run those command? |
| 04:00.29 | itchi | bathat: Look if you card goes to hot or not?? |
| 04:00.39 | bathat | even now, after killing x |
| 04:00.44 | itchi | eduhat: Is that an pci wifi card? |
| 04:00.52 | bathat | i have to backspace one letter at a time for some reason |
| 04:00.56 | eduhat | its a pcmcia card, wireless lan |
| 04:00.59 | zulu9 | bathat: and you had no such problems with flash7? |
| 04:01.07 | itchi | bathat: Maybe your card goes to hot and crash?? |
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| 04:01.23 | eduhat | itchi: its a pcmcia card, wireless lan |
| 04:01.32 | itchi | eduhat: Do then lspcmcia |
| 04:01.49 | eduhat | command not found |
| 04:02.18 | itchi | eduhat: It's an little tool (what dpkg shows above) to see what hardware you have, depending of it is on pci, pcmcia, usb ... |
| 04:02.32 | eduhat | but command not found... |
| 04:02.44 | itchi | eduhat: You missing just some app, wait, gona look |
| 04:02.50 | eduhat | allright |
| 04:03.39 | itchi | eduhat: You need to install the 'pcmciautils' package |
| 04:03.57 | itchi | eduhat: So, as root user: apt-get install <pkg> |
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| 04:04.11 | itchi | eduhat: Where <dpk> is whatever as package |
| 04:04.25 | itchi | shit |
| 04:04.28 | bathat | itchi: that is something i was thinking about |
| 04:04.40 | itchi | <pkg>, man, need to learn to type :-/ |
| 04:04.42 | eduhat | no packages name that |
| 04:05.18 | eduhat | no packages whose name or description matched pcmciautils |
| 04:05.21 | itchi | eduhat: You did apt-get install pcmciautils ? |
| 04:05.33 | eduhat | yes |
| 04:05.41 | itchi | eduhat: Hold on |
| 04:06.10 | zulu9 | lspcmcia is part of pcmciautils |
| 04:06.18 | itchi | yup |
| 04:06.29 | itchi | eduhat: Did you not make an typo while typing it? |
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| 04:06.40 | eduhat | nope |
| 04:07.01 | itchi | eduhat: Are you running Sarge? |
| 04:07.13 | eduhat | Sarge? |
| 04:07.20 | itchi | eduhat: The stable release of Debian |
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| 04:07.35 | eduhat | yes, pretty sure |
| 04:07.46 | itchi | eduhat: Btw debian have 3 differnets releases |
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| 04:07.54 | eduhat | i did the netinstall |
| 04:08.02 | itchi | eduhat: Yeah, it should be there |
| 04:08.08 | bathat | it's passively cooled |
| 04:08.10 | itchi | eduhat: Have you copy and paste the command? |
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| 04:08.18 | eduhat | no |
| 04:08.22 | zulu9 | maybe an apt-get update is needed? |
| 04:08.27 | eduhat | maybe... |
| 04:08.28 | itchi | bathat: So it goes not to hot before it crash? |
| 04:08.35 | itchi | eduhat: Yeah ;-) |
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| 04:09.10 | itchi | eduhat: Normally you should always update the list of package before installing any stuff. |
| 04:09.12 | eduhat | still cant find packages pcmciautils |
| 04:09.31 | dc3aes | ok you may not get this question often, maybe.. ive been know to be naive.. but I am battling a Asus P4P800-VM motherboard and looking at the daunting task of 20 or so fixes to get Sarge to even work on it.. it might be easier to go buy a new motherboard that works out of the box .. is there such a list? a "if you were to buy a new motherboard.. debian would like xxxx" hehe |
| 04:09.35 | itchi | eduhat: Can you pastebin the '/etc/apt/sources.list' file? |
| 04:09.38 | zulu9 | bathat: which nvidia card do you have? I'm running debian/sid with nvidia 9626 beta and flash9 works fine except one issue (video would stop and kill sound until the page is reloaded) |
| 04:09.41 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.45 | itchi | eduhat: Not past it here ;-) use pastebin |
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| 04:10.13 | abrotman | !tell dc3aes about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 04:10.14 | odla | it has 3 different branches |
| 04:10.18 | eldowan2 | Wyzard: I found the fix for the black windows. On low memory cards, run compiz with --indirect-rendering |
| 04:10.54 | dc3aes | abrotman: you figure this kernel may have better support for my mobo, not all is lost? :) |
| 04:11.12 | abrotman | hopefully eh ? |
| 04:11.16 | itchi | dc3aes: Sarge, does not support new stuff you have buy yesterday in the shop |
| 04:11.32 | eldowan2 | nice weekend all! |
| 04:11.45 | dc3aes | itchi: I do follow this mentality.. I bought this board 2 years ago :( you mean yesterdecade? hehe |
| 04:11.58 | dc3aes | or in our case, yestercentury |
| 04:12.11 | itchi | dc3aes: 2 years, is in the limit i think :-/ |
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| 04:12.58 | itchi | dc3aes: You need to get an kernel that reconise your stuff, like abrotman have tell |
| 04:13.00 | dc3aes | fwiw thanks for the info. I may battle it out for a bit yet.. |
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| 04:13.36 | itchi | eduhat: Everythings right? |
| 04:13.46 | squisher | Hi, does anyone know if debian wine has changed significantly in unstable in the past couple of weeks? |
| 04:14.15 | zulu9 | squisher: I think 0.9.22 came in yesterday |
| 04:14.16 | dc3aes | rebooting, thanks guys. didnt learn anything I dont know but i know im not alone and should stop smacking my new LCD |
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| 04:14.34 | itchi | dc3aes: No |
| 04:14.37 | nixcs | what is the apt-get command to download my kernel sources? |
| 04:14.47 | itchi | dc3aes: You need to tryout an newer kernel and probably he support it |
| 04:15.04 | squisher | zulu9: I'm totally new to wine, and a couple of weeks ago I installed it and was amazed that Warcraft III worked out of the box w/o any config... while now it just refuses to start with an error |
| 04:15.20 | abrotman | did you ask #winehq ? |
| 04:15.24 | itchi | nixcs: apt-get source foo |
| 04:15.27 | dc3aes | itchi: I may go try that .. got to abandon this win32 instance :) |
| 04:15.27 | abrotman | there's also a changelog |
| 04:15.29 | eduhat | itchi: http://pastebin.com/827150 |
| 04:15.31 | squisher | abrotman: no, not yet. |
| 04:15.32 | nixcs | apt-get install kernel-sources doesnt work... |
| 04:15.36 | itchi | dc3aes: Just not give it up |
| 04:15.40 | nixcs | i'm just new to deb |
| 04:15.46 | nixcs | used slack for years... |
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| 04:15.57 | zulu9 | squisher: also search on http://appdb.winehq.com/ for possible known issues |
| 04:16.02 | abrotman | using unstable to run the normally unstable wine .. |
| 04:16.10 | nixcs | got mepis |
| 04:16.14 | squisher | zulu9: thanks, I'll have a look |
| 04:16.14 | itchi | nixcs: What want you to do? |
| 04:16.21 | dc3aes | itchi: yes I have been using debian on all my servers for years but now trying to do graphical dev for a UAV autopilot project.. |
| 04:16.28 | nixcs | itchi: just install the kernel sources in mepis with apt-get |
| 04:16.29 | itchi | dc3aes: My brand new laptop is working near completely now |
| 04:16.39 | dc3aes | itchi: its working fine on my Centrino laptop :| |
| 04:16.48 | itchi | nixcs: heh, are you using Debian right now? |
| 04:16.49 | nixcs | itchi: to get my linksys wireless g usb adapter working... |
| 04:16.58 | itchi | dc3aes: duo here |
| 04:17.05 | nixcs | yes. |
| 04:17.09 | nixcs | itchi: yes. |
| 04:17.13 | zulu9 | squisher: you could also grab wine from testing (0.9.20) |
| 04:17.17 | nixcs | itchi: mepis... |
| 04:17.25 | dc3aes | itchi: and my two other servers, and I had ubuntu working on here last year.. but i think its just one of those days.. i gave up right away haha tired of fighting this motherboard its got a funny SATA controller that most linux distribs stick their nose up at |
| 04:17.33 | itchi | nixcs: aia, caramba |
| 04:17.39 | squisher | zulu9: Hmm, yeah, regression test is always good. Let me see if the old version is still in my apt cache, actually |
| 04:17.49 | eduhat | itchi: http://pastebin.com/827150 <-------- |
| 04:17.49 | nixcs | itchi: whats the prob? |
| 04:17.50 | zulu9 | squisher: if you got the testing-repo in your sources.list. apt-get install wine/testing (might need to add the dependencies also to it with /testing) |
| 04:18.14 | minerale | What is the name of the sun-provided java package ? is it in the repositories yet? |
| 04:18.21 | itchi | dc3aes: install libata.atapi_enable=1 with the etch installer; done |
| 04:18.37 | itchi | nixcs: try /topic |
| 04:19.02 | maher | minerale: its in testing and unstable - apt-cache search sun |
| 04:19.09 | dc3aes | itchi: unfortunately, going to sarge will go with resistance because im working with an opensource project where we are all using debian sarge.. apparently theres a lot of bugs right now on etch with it |
| 04:19.15 | itchi | nixcs: I can not give any support if it's not Debian, i use Debian, not other stuff |
| 04:19.47 | minerale | maher, if I want the jdk which package should I backport ? |
| 04:19.51 | dc3aes | itchi: but.. I will go make sure im sporting one of the latest kernels.. so will reboot and check back in later |
| 04:19.57 | dc3aes | itchi: thanks again.. |
| 04:20.00 | itchi | dc3aes: Yep, it's the case, the devs are working hard to get it so as a stable release |
| 04:20.04 | minerale | maher: java-jdk ? sun-java-jdk ? |
| 04:20.08 | zulu9 | n8! |
| 04:20.13 | nixcs | itchi: well, it's debian... |
| 04:20.29 | dc3aes | itchi: no its not a knock on etch, its a knock on our packages.. nobody has time to make them work with etch :) |
| 04:20.36 | bokey | itchi: is there a way to kill an active connection ? |
| 04:20.40 | dc3aes | itchi: ok .. im out :) |
| 04:20.59 | squisher | zulu9: I went back 0.9.20, which was my previous version, and now I get the same error :-( |
| 04:21.03 | itchi | bokey: what mean you with an active connection? |
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| 04:21.07 | maher | minerale: sun-java5-jdk |
| 04:21.17 | maher | minerale: and whatever it depends on |
| 04:21.25 | itchi | dc... that's not true .... to late |
| 04:21.26 | bokey | itchi: by that I mean an active internet connection (ie, one that's established). |
| 04:21.47 | bokey | itchi: I can't kill the program. even with kill -KILL <pid> |
| 04:21.52 | itchi | bokey: I dunno about that, to be honnest |
| 04:22.18 | itchi | bokey: Tried with kill -9 pid ? |
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| 04:22.42 | itchi | bokey: You can see the active connections with netstat |
| 04:22.55 | bokey | itchi: all good. kill -9 <pid> worked. =) |
| 04:23.24 | itchi | bokey: Sure it does :-p :-) |
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| 04:24.02 | bokey | itchi: with kill -KILL <pid> it didn't do what intended to do ? strange. |
| 04:24.39 | itchi | nixcs: Probably no one can give you the _right_ support, it's been plausible that some things are not on the same place or works a little bit different. |
| 04:24.43 | eduhat | how can i update to debian unstable from my current version? |
| 04:24.43 | bokey | itchi: because -9 == -KILL in the "man kill" |
| 04:25.10 | maher | eduhat: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:25.20 | maher | eduhat: you probably don't want to do that |
| 04:25.23 | eduhat | masher: http://pastebin.com/827150 |
| 04:26.00 | itchi | bokey: i did it always with alpha nums |
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| 04:26.16 | maher | eduhat: change stable to unstable - again you almost certainly don't want to do that - if you are terminally struck with versionitis at least try etch first |
| 04:26.17 | dvs | !iyhtays eduhat |
| 04:26.17 | dpkg | eduhat: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 04:26.26 | bokey | itchi: cool. better use numbers now. =) |
| 04:27.24 | itchi | eduhat: If you are on Unstable you can not go back to another release. IT happend some time that there are serious bugs, maybe need you to screw a bit to get it again working in awaiting the package maintainer have fix it |
| 04:27.42 | eduhat | allright |
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| 04:28.17 | maher | eduhat: or use debootstrap to install testing/unstable in a chroot and play there |
| 04:28.32 | ArrenLex | Ubuntu has this nice apt feature where it remembers what packages were installed by dependency, and you can run apt-get autoremove to purge them. (When) will Debian be getting this? |
| 04:28.41 | itchi | eduhat: If you realy can not listen to people; take then the Etch, that should be a bit more stable. But i still not recommend it |
| 04:29.28 | dvs | ArrenLex: it's called "aptitude" |
| 04:29.41 | itchi | eduhat: Yeah, or if you want it easy, play with virtual computer (see vmware or better the alternatives, qemu, xen) |
| 04:29.41 | ArrenLex | dvs: aptitude is called "slow and installs recommended packages" |
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| 04:30.11 | nixcs | where is the "linux source tree" located??? |
| 04:30.25 | maher | ArrenLex: you can tell aptitude not to do that if they haven't fixed the defualt behaviour |
| 04:30.25 | dvs | ArrenLex: What's wrong with installing recommended packages? It's the suggested packages that shouldn't be installed automatically |
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| 04:30.46 | itchi | nixcs: apt-cache search foo |
| 04:31.09 | ArrenLex | dvs: I've seen the kind of packages that are recommended. Sometimes I don't even see how they even deal with the same thing. I want to avoid that kind of crap on my system. |
| 04:31.22 | itchi | ArrenLex: You can use deborhpan too |
| 04:31.24 | ArrenLex | maher: Yes. But it's still slow, and weird. |
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| 04:31.30 | nixcs | where is the "linux source tree" located??? |
| 04:31.42 | ArrenLex | itchi: Yes. But that's only for scrounging up dependencies after the fact. Autoremove is better because it remembers exactly what you installed. |
| 04:31.46 | maher | ArrenLex: i don't use it - i use dselect... |
| 04:32.00 | itchi | ArrenLex: Use aptitude, then :-) |
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| 04:32.18 | ArrenLex | itchi: I don't want to use aptitude! I've already explained it's slow and weird with depends. |
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| 04:32.37 | itchi | ArrenLex: Then you need to fix somethings. |
| 04:32.45 | abrotman | it's not weird with depends .. depends are depends |
| 04:33.05 | zinx | he doesn't like that it installs 'Recommended' packages by default |
| 04:33.09 | abrotman | and you can pass an option to aptitude to not have it install recommends |
| 04:33.12 | zinx | and apparently doesn't know about the option to disable that |
| 04:33.13 | itchi | abrotman depends on beer :-) |
| 04:33.14 | abrotman | so use the option!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:33.20 | niles | hi |
| 04:33.34 | niles | how do i set a default application for a particular file type ? |
| 04:33.40 | abrotman | in what ? |
| 04:33.44 | niles | kde |
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| 04:34.03 | rudenstam | how do I find out what /dev/ name my bluetooth phone got ? |
| 04:34.14 | abrotman | dmesg might tell you |
| 04:34.25 | abrotman | niles: ask #debian-kde or maybe #kde if noone here knows |
| 04:34.28 | Guerin | niles: #debian-kde |
| 04:34.33 | niles | thanx guys |
| 04:35.37 | rudenstam | abrotman: nothing in dmesg, each bt device gets it's on /dev/ thingy right ? it's not the one for my bt dongle I should use ? ie.. it's not /dev/hci0 I should use (tried and doesn't seem to work) |
| 04:35.41 | minerale | what is the equivalent of apt-cache search --- for backports ? |
| 04:35.54 | abrotman | rudenstam: i don't own a single BT device |
| 04:35.55 | ArrenLex | zinx: I know about the option to disable that. aptitude is slow because it goes through whatever extra hoops are entailed in Reading extended state information and Initializing package states... Done and whatever, and I don't want to pass options because I have better things to type. |
| 04:36.00 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 04:36.00 | dpkg | bluetooth is probably , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
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| 04:36.05 | itchi | minerale: The same thing |
| 04:36.12 | Guerin | minerale: your question makes no sense |
| 04:36.13 | ArrenLex | Rather than recommending something else, would it be possible to answer my question? |
| 04:36.33 | minerale | guerin: I'm guessing that tomcat5 is in the testing repository, but I don't see it |
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| 04:36.48 | Guerin | !guess |
| 04:36.48 | dpkg | well, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 04:37.03 | Guerin | ArrenLex: what question? |
| 04:37.10 | TehKewl1 | I need to edit the dependencies of a debian binary package |
| 04:37.17 | ArrenLex | Geurin: Ubuntu has this nice apt feature where it remembers what packages were installed by dependency, and you can run apt-get autoremove to purge them. (When) will Debian be getting this? |
| 04:37.19 | Guerin | TehKewl1: no, you don't. |
| 04:37.33 | TehKewl1 | I made it with checkinstall |
| 04:37.39 | Guerin | ArrenLex: aptitude in debian does this automatically. |
| 04:37.44 | Guerin | TehKewl1: re-make it |
| 04:37.46 | abrotman | !info tomcat5 etch |
| 04:37.47 | TehKewl1 | because dh_make doesn't like qmake |
| 04:37.48 | maher | ArrenLex: i don't know - did you check whether apt in unstable has this feature? |
| 04:37.54 | ArrenLex | Guerin: I am perfectly aware. I don't like aptitude for various reasons I've described above. |
| 04:37.59 | dpkg | tomcat5: (Java Servlet 2.4 engine with JSP 2.0 support), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.30-12 (etch), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 04:38.01 | TehKewl1 | I can't get the deps into a checkinstall thing somehow |
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| 04:38.38 | Guerin | ArrenLex: to answer your question, since apt upstream is controlled by debian, not ubuntu devs, debian aptitude already has this feature |
| 04:38.52 | Guerin | ArrenLex: it may just have not filtered down to whatever branch of debian you're using. |
| 04:38.58 | ArrenLex | maher: apt unstable and apt testing are currently the same. |
| 04:39.06 | abrotman | aptitude has this |
| 04:39.13 | ArrenLex | Geurin: I know aptitude has the feature. It always had the feature. I'm talking about apt-get. |
| 04:39.30 | Guerin | ArrenLex: oh, apt-get. |
| 04:39.35 | abrotman | use aptitude instead ? |
| 04:39.44 | Guerin | ArrenLex: i know you don;'t like to hear about it, but apt-get is obsolete. Use aptitude., |
| 04:39.45 | ArrenLex | ...I'm going to scream. |
| 04:39.51 | Guerin | it IS obsolete |
| 04:39.53 | ArrenLex | Absolete? xD |
| 04:39.54 | Guerin | deprecated like |
| 04:40.06 | abrotman | aptitude is the preferred dpkg frontend now |
| 04:40.12 | craigevil | you could always try the update-manager package |
| 04:40.23 | Rusty1 | nixcs: http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/cs427/Source+Tree+Layout |
| 04:40.28 | abrotman | that's updates .. not installs |
| 04:40.48 | abrotman | ArrenLex: you can set aptitude to not install recommends .. and use it just like apt-get from the command line |
| 04:41.09 | craigevil | apt-get obsolete? for stable maybe but running aptitude on testing/sid is just asking for trouble |
| 04:41.22 | Guerin | craigevil: bullshit. |
| 04:41.33 | abrotman | why is it trouble? |
| 04:41.43 | maher | ArrenLex: i guess it doesn't have it then - as to whether the apt maintainer adds it - that's up to him/her/them.... |
| 04:41.47 | ArrenLex | abrotman: I'm aware of this. However, aptitude is slower than apt-get and I don't like the weird conflict resolution crap it does which comes up with completely random irrelevant solutions with -1000 scores 60% of the time. |
| 04:42.01 | ArrenLex | maher: I know it doesn't have it. I'm asking whether it will be added. |
| 04:42.04 | craigevil | the last big kde update aptitude wanted to remove a bunch of stuff for no reason, apt handle it perfectly |
| 04:42.17 | abrotman | ArrenLex: find the patch that was added to ubuntu ... and submit it for inclusion |
| 04:42.24 | Guerin | ArrenLex: you don't like the 5 second delay of extra state and logging, and you don't like the scale it uses to analyse dependency relatiuonships? |
| 04:42.37 | Guerin | ArrenLex: don't concern yourself with it - just use the damn thing. |
| 04:42.53 | ArrenLex | Geurin: I don't like the 5 second delay of extra state and logging, and I don't like it coming up with random crap it wants to do to my poor system. |
| 04:43.06 | Guerin | this is like someone disliking a porsche because the steering wheel is covered in smooth leather instead of rough leather |
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| 04:43.35 | ArrenLex | Guerin: actually, it's more like disliking an SUV because it takes a long time to accelerate and eats a lot of unnecessary gas. |
| 04:43.39 | abrotman | ArrenLex: ever considered running stable ? |
| 04:43.51 | maher | Guerin: that's why i threw my porsche in the garbage... |
| 04:43.51 | Guerin | but in this case, it doesn't |
| 04:43.51 | ArrenLex | abrotman: No, I have not? |
| 04:43.57 | rudenstam | abrotman: yupp.. works... but still don't know what dev it is :) |
| 04:44.07 | abrotman | rudenstam: maybe it doesn't get one ? |
| 04:44.11 | abrotman | ArrenLex: perhaps you should ? |
| 04:44.19 | ArrenLex | abortman: why would this be? |
| 04:44.24 | abrotman | less whining :) |
| 04:44.34 | ArrenLex | abrotman: I kind of want to see things, you know, update. Sometimes. |
| 04:44.35 | Guerin | ArrenLex: you've used about 10 lifetimes worth of aptitude's extra state-saving routines just talking about this. |
| 04:44.40 | ArrenLex | To versions < 5 years old. |
| 04:44.47 | abrotman | they're not that old |
| 04:44.54 | Guerin | ArrenLex: nothing in stable is more than two years old. |
| 04:44.57 | ArrenLex | abrotman: Yes. It was a hyperbole. |
| 04:45.05 | Guerin | on account of it being released less than two years ago. |
| 04:45.36 | ArrenLex | Geurin: I DON'T LIKE APTITUDE. I never came here asking to be told to use aptitude. I said: a exists in ubuntu. Will a exist in debian? |
| 04:45.47 | centrx | aptitude sucks |
| 04:45.48 | centrx | use dselect |
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| 04:46.02 | Guerin | ArrenLex: and I answered. |
| 04:46.03 | maher | ArrenLex: we can't answer that - only the apt maintainer(s) can |
| 04:46.16 | ArrenLex | Okay. Thank you. That answers my question. |
| 04:46.18 | rudenstam | anyone got experience in connecting your mobile phone and like sending sms, modifying phonebook and stuff like that ? |
| 04:46.25 | itchi | ArrenLex: Heh, maybe you not know that you can use it like apt-get: aptitude install foo |
| 04:46.32 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:46.33 | ArrenLex | itchi: I know it! |
| 04:46.35 | ArrenLex | Augh. |
| 04:46.37 | Guerin | itchi: kuatbt |
| 04:46.47 | ArrenLex | Well, thanks for the help, anyway. |
| 04:46.52 | itchi | I not see what you can not like on that buahaha |
| 04:47.04 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 04:48.03 | Guerin | some people just like to be special |
| 04:48.19 | Guerin | mostly they use gentoo, but the question is this: |
| 04:48.31 | itchi | Guerin: hah, that mean kuatbt, okay man ;-) |
| 04:48.35 | Guerin | do they use gentoo BECAUSE they're special, or to MAKE themselves special? |
| 04:50.17 | vivithemage | does anyone know how i can point the module assistant to /usr/share/modass/packages/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:51.14 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367109 |
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| 04:52.00 | abrotman | muh2000: any luck ? |
| 04:52.11 | vivithemage | becuase i run m-a a-i nvidia and the problem occurs |
| 04:52.17 | zinx | Guerin: Trick question, it's both. |
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| 04:57.56 | tvn | anyone uses ati graphic on a laptop ? can you get the screen to shut down ? |
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| 04:58.30 | Guerin | zinx: i defer to your insight. |
| 04:58.42 | Guerin | !anyone use ati graphic on a laptop ? |
| 04:58.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses ati graphic on a laptop, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:59.26 | abrotman | !anyone use Guerin |
| 04:59.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses Guerin, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:59.29 | itchi | vivithemage: Maybe let us know which errno you get?? |
| 04:59.46 | itchi | haha |
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| 05:04.28 | muh2000 | abrotman looks better now. but i have to check wheather it is ok now with both eth-devs. and the other stuff... (installing right now and downloading with maximum speed.) maybe i look for another cd where the apt sources are working an reinstall the whole thing again :) i want it have at a level where i do not read any error msgs :) |
| 05:04.44 | muh2000 | but i will go to bed now, i am tired... :) gn8 all |
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| 05:07.18 | muh2000 | + i have to check all this at another client too. because my current client has an overclocked cpu since 2,5 years and it is dieing.... not a real problem at the moment but i want to erase all possibilities of failure..... |
| 05:08.22 | Red_Cloud | Concerning Etch, Unstable, and Testing, when do most users update and upgrade? Mondays or Fridays? |
| 05:08.36 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: whenever necessary |
| 05:08.53 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: but as infrequently as is reasonable - hint: if it's not broke, don't fuck with it |
| 05:08.58 | Red_Cloud | Guerin, I have a hard time deciding "necessary" |
| 05:09.21 | Red_Cloud | Guerin, that is whenever I learn the most. Right after an upgrade |
| 05:09.26 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: if you don't NEED to upgrade to install some new package or other, or to fix a bug, don't upgrade |
| 05:10.08 | Red_Cloud | Guerin, there have been times that my system was on life support until the next upgrade! |
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| 05:10.55 | vivithemage | itchi, there is no errno |
| 05:11.17 | itchi | vivithemage: Which trouble have you then with m-a? |
| 05:11.22 | niles | is etch currently reliable for a server? |
| 05:11.29 | niles | in a corporate environment? |
| 05:11.33 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: if you really like teh pain, upgrade every day or two after the etch release |
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| 05:11.40 | Guerin | niles: absolutely not |
| 05:12.00 | Guerin | niles: install sarge if you care even a little bit about your server, your workflows, or your data |
| 05:12.04 | Red_Cloud | Guerin, I really like the feeling whenever the pain stops |
| 05:12.35 | Rusty1 | Guerin: apt-get -t unstable dist-upgrade , every day, get it over with |
| 05:12.50 | niles | Guerin: i have a pentium 3, my own pc. will i experience frequent crashes with etch? |
| 05:12.54 | Guerin | Rusty1: unnecessary |
| 05:13.05 | Guerin | niles: no, but things could break at any point |
| 05:13.09 | vivithemage | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed Ignoring this package |
| 05:13.16 | niles | ok |
| 05:13.17 | dondelelcaro | niles: if you have to ask that question, you should be using sarge. |
| 05:13.26 | niles | i am on sarge |
| 05:13.30 | vivithemage | thats all it says itchi :( |
| 05:13.38 | dondelelcaro | niles: well, then I suggest you stay until etch releases. |
| 05:13.39 | niles | but unfortunatly, i cant install kde 3.5 or hight |
| 05:13.42 | Guerin | etch will be stable soon |
| 05:13.49 | niles | oh ok |
| 05:13.50 | Guerin | niles: you're better off without them |
| 05:13.51 | niles | how soon? |
| 05:13.57 | dondelelcaro | when it's ready. |
| 05:14.04 | Guerin | niles: /msg dpkg etch pool 1 for a sample of opinions |
| 05:14.12 | niles | ok |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | niles: nominally december 4, but don't set your clock by it |
| 05:14.37 | bokey | Guerin: hi. =) |
| 05:14.42 | niles | oh well that general time of the year is worth the wait |
| 05:15.00 | niles | winterish. |
| 05:15.13 | niles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.13 | Guerin | bokey: nà hão |
| 05:15.20 | bokey | Guerin: just updated to clamav 0.8 |
| 05:15.28 | Guerin | bokey: why? |
| 05:15.38 | Red_Cloud | By the way, just when is Etch going to release? I have been using this Etch thing for some time now and am curious as to whether I will lose the whole shebang whenever it becomes a respectable release. |
| 05:15.48 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: try to pay attention |
| 05:15.51 | bokey | Guerin: run atleast a latest binary you know. |
| 05:15.58 | Guerin | bokey: why? |
| 05:16.04 | bokey | Guerin: I don't understand cantoness. =) |
| 05:16.07 | Guerin | bokey: i mean, why run clamav at all? |
| 05:16.16 | bokey | Guerin: well, need it you know. |
| 05:16.28 | Guerin | bokey: it's mandarin. People would cut your pigtails off for that in Beijing. |
| 05:16.38 | bokey | Guerin: =) |
| 05:16.40 | Guerin | bokey: why? |
| 05:16.48 | Red_Cloud | Guerin, too much wine plus a bad habit of whatching my keyboard as I type. But you were right, my question was redundant |
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| 05:17.01 | Guerin | what?ching! |
| 05:17.24 | bokey | Guerin: why? why ? why are you running Deb ? |
| 05:17.27 | Red_Cloud | Guerin, like I said, too much wine. |
| 05:17.44 | Guerin | bokey: cut out windows, you cut out most viruses. Cut out spam, you cut out most of the rest. |
| 05:17.45 | Red_Cloud | And I just washed my fingers and can't do a thing with them |
| 05:17.59 | bokey | bokey: yeah, I like to be on the safe side. |
| 05:18.03 | bokey | oops.. |
| 05:18.07 | Guerin | bokey: i'm using debian because it's what I know, and what does what I need. |
| 05:18.08 | bokey | Guerin: =) |
| 05:18.34 | niles | when it comes time to upgrade to etch, will anything in the kernel be tampered with (such as having to reinstall drivers) |
| 05:18.42 | niles | this will be my first upgrade |
| 05:18.53 | Guerin | niles: only if the kernel actually gets upgraded, which you can control |
| 05:19.12 | niles | ok, becuase im satisfied with my current 2.6 |
| 05:19.14 | niles | thanx |
| 05:19.27 | chemaja | remotely dist-upgraded my sister's Debian Woody to Sarge remotely, i didn't even think to do the smart thing and upgrade my apt/dpkg/aptitude packages first, worked like a charm. :D |
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| 05:20.36 | bokey | chemaja: using ssh ? |
| 05:20.41 | chemaja | bokey, yes. |
| 05:20.51 | bokey | chemaja: =) |
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| 05:21.34 | centrx | yea debian is great |
| 05:21.34 | chemaja | bokey, telnet == deathnet |
| 05:21.34 | bokey | chemaja: but that's what ssh is for. |
| 05:21.34 | bokey | chemaja: haha.. |
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| 05:22.34 | bokey | chemaja: obviously, if you open up your telnet session using a tcpdump or ethereal, you can the contents pass around like a monkey from one tree to another. |
| 05:22.44 | bokey | s/contents/packets |
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| 05:26.50 | bokey | Guerin: so how's things in Beijing ? |
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| 05:27.39 | chemaja | bokey, i'll slice that little monkey with a fast ssh stream |
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| 05:28.34 | bokey | !alive |
| 05:29.01 | bokey | !hping |
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| 05:29.58 | bokey | cut the crap. |
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| 05:32.58 | SerajewelKS | is there a program in debian that will search through a file for mpeg frames, writing consecutive frames to the same file? |
| 05:35.15 | Guerin | bokey: haven't been there since march |
| 05:35.24 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, you mean a decoder engine? |
| 05:35.26 | Guerin | bokey: it was freaking cold when I was, though |
| 05:35.30 | SerajewelKS | chemaja: no |
| 05:35.37 | chemaja | "the same file"? |
| 05:35.47 | itchi | What was that what bokey have try? |
| 05:35.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: your question leaves a lot to the iomagination |
| 05:36.01 | SerajewelKS | chemaja: as opposed to the next consecutive chunk of frames, which should get written to a different file |
| 05:36.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah i struggled with the wording and it still sucks |
| 05:36.14 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, i thought that was what you meant |
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| 05:36.43 | Guerin | bokey: don't message me, message dondelelcaro |
| 05:37.04 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, gstreamer probably has a method |
| 05:37.32 | SerajewelKS | chemaja: keep in mind that the file contains stuff other than mpeg data, i just want to extract the bits that ore mpeg |
| 05:37.36 | SerajewelKS | are* |
| 05:37.54 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, wow i was thinking that initially, then dismissed it later |
| 05:38.28 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, google for mpeg frame delimiters extractor |
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| 05:38.56 | SerajewelKS | well i was hoping there was one in debian but there either isn't or my !find fu is lacking |
| 05:39.05 | grendal_prime | ok this is a werid one..i built a testing dist machine today, the control center in kde had ..well nothing in it? |
| 05:39.27 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, holy tits, I AM FEELING LUCKY http://www.dirfile.com/sc_free_video_decompiler.htm |
| 05:39.37 | chemaja | 1st hit of my suggested query |
| 05:39.46 | chemaja | well, linked from it, at least |
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| 05:40.10 | chemaja | but i think it's Windows freeware :-\ |
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| 05:40.23 | SerajewelKS | so not so lucky then |
| 05:40.41 | Teejay__ | hi, after installing and updating the base system, what is the command to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 05:40.51 | SerajewelKS | Teejay__: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:40.54 | Teejay__ | ty |
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| 05:41.12 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/Readme |
| 05:41.25 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, add "gpl" to my search terms :) |
| 05:42.01 | SerajewelKS | chemaja: i'm looking at http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp3asm/ too, maybe one of these will do it |
| 05:42.14 | Guerin | !beer RMS |
| 05:42.17 | SerajewelKS | chemaja: argm, well it's not a video |
| 05:42.33 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, keep googlin' |
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| 05:42.41 | Guerin | he might need one if the bidness with novell/microsoft comes about |
| 05:42.55 | chemaja | SerajewelKS, gotta go drop me lady at home, bb later |
| 05:43.13 | chemaja | Guerin, :) |
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| 05:45.22 | itchi | grendal_prime: Some people have complain about it, looks like an know bug |
| 05:45.27 | SerajewelKS | chemaja: later |
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| 05:46.55 | grendal_prime | bummer |
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| 05:50.56 | chemaja | wow, i got ready faster then my gf, what a surprise |
| 05:51.24 | Supaplex | what bundle includes g++ gcc fakeroot and all the nifties that might go well in building debs? I feel like I'm chasing tails getting all these installed. |
| 05:51.39 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: build-essential |
| 05:51.52 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: everything else packages have to Build-Depends: upon. |
| 05:51.54 | Supaplex | sweet, that was it. thanks |
| 05:52.07 | Supaplex | you are teh awesome. =) |
| 05:52.17 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 05:52.25 | Supaplex | well that, and debootstrap ;) |
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| 06:00.08 | derek_ | Hi |
| 06:00.18 | derek_ | which one is better - Evolution or Thunderbird? |
| 06:00.33 | Guerin | derek_: mutt. |
| 06:00.38 | derek_ | ? |
| 06:00.43 | maher | derek_: pine! |
| 06:00.58 | maher | derek_: ok - thuderbird is better |
| 06:01.01 | derek_ | what are you talking about? |
| 06:01.16 | maher | derek_: mail clients |
| 06:01.21 | Guerin | bopth are evil, but tbird is mozilla-evil, while evilution is gnome-evil |
| 06:01.30 | amphi | heh |
| 06:01.37 | maher | pnie will soon be alpine free sw! |
| 06:01.48 | maher | then it won't be evil at all |
| 06:01.48 | Guerin | woo. |
| 06:02.05 | amphi | maher: it still won't be mutt |
| 06:02.06 | Guerin | maher: At Last Pine Is Not Evil? |
| 06:02.21 | maher | Guerin: what else would it stand for? |
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| 06:02.34 | Guerin | maher: nice. |
| 06:03.05 | maher | amphi: i've learnt one mail cient - one's enough |
| 06:03.19 | maher | maybe i shud lern to type |
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| 06:03.52 | Guerin | the only thing that I dislike about mutt is it's linerarness |
| 06:03.55 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:03.57 | Guerin | linearness |
| 06:04.07 | derek_ | what are the drawbacks of both evolution and thunderbird? |
| 06:04.10 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: non-multithreaded nature... |
| 06:04.28 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: evolution is gnome, tbird is mozilla. That about covers it. |
| 06:04.33 | maher | derek_: you have to use the mouse |
| 06:04.41 | derek_ | :) |
| 06:04.53 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. The inability to stop while writing a message, and go back to check something in another message |
| 06:05.04 | Guerin | wihtout saving as a draft, etc. |
| 06:05.04 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... that's the main one that bothers me |
| 06:05.30 | maher | you guy sshould have stuck with mail and ctrl-z |
| 06:05.35 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I'd be just fine if you could edit a message, and keep on editing while doing other things, and then the edited message snapped back to the postponed set of messages |
| 06:05.44 | dondelelcaro | maher: you can have multiple instances of mutt |
| 06:05.50 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing really magical about it |
| 06:06.06 | derek_ | <Guerin> dondelelcaro: yeah. The inability to stop while writing a message, and go back to check something in another message --- which one is this about? |
| 06:06.16 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. Or even just some sort of context-switching, like backgrounding. |
| 06:06.17 | dondelelcaro | derek_: we're talking about mutt |
| 06:06.23 | derek_ | ok |
| 06:06.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yerp |
| 06:06.36 | dondelelcaro | perhaps mutt-ng will eventually get there |
| 06:06.40 | derek_ | so in pine you don't need to save a draft ? |
| 06:06.52 | derek_ | I think gmail is good |
| 06:07.28 | maher | derek_: you need to save the draft |
| 06:08.28 | Guerin | i haven't used mutt-ng in ages |
| 06:09.05 | maher | will the new etch installer let me make root jffs? |
| 06:09.34 | Guerin | maher: should be able to already |
| 06:09.34 | Guerin | as long as /boot is something sanwe |
| 06:09.38 | Guerin | how is jfs, anyhow? |
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| 06:10.15 | ArrenLex | I take it Firefox 2 is waiting until the name change? |
| 06:10.22 | maher | Guerin: jffs - i want to install on flash |
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| 06:12.05 | ArrenLex | Yesno? |
| 06:12.32 | Guerin | maher: oh, right. |
| 06:12.42 | Supaplex | !btssmite ArrenLex |
| 06:13.04 | maher | ArrenLex: name change is done afaik |
| 06:13.14 | craigevil | ArrenLex: if you want Firefox 2.0 just use the Mozilla version for now it works just fine |
| 06:13.37 | Supaplex | or be daring and go with a trunk build >:) |
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| 06:13.55 | craigevil | minefield runs well also |
| 06:13.57 | Supaplex | *ahem* nightly trunk build |
| 06:13.58 | maher | no! spend 48 days trying to build the lizard... |
| 06:14.04 | craigevil | just make sure to create new profiles first |
| 06:14.21 | Supaplex | $backups |
| 06:14.45 | deadcat | what up with this ? PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 06:15.00 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: #php |
| 06:15.04 | Guerin | deadcat: #php |
| 06:15.15 | Supaplex | yay line 0. so resourceful. :P |
| 06:15.24 | deadcat | haha |
| 06:15.59 | deadcat | Supaplex: i think thats their way of saying "i dont know what the fuck is wrong" |
| 06:16.06 | maher | php - for when there aren't enough skiddies using your box... |
| 06:16.35 | Guerin | maher: that reminds me - i should install some real webmail on my box |
| 06:16.39 | Guerin | that's not made of php |
| 06:16.39 | Supaplex | !hug perl -T |
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| 06:16.59 | Guerin | i don't suppose there IS any good webmail out there? |
| 06:17.22 | Supaplex | sqwebmail's ok. pure c cgi. |
| 06:17.35 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:17.44 | Supaplex | fast :) suidable to (thought I dump it into virtual mail only nosuid) |
| 06:17.44 | Guerin | that was what I was looking at |
| 06:17.55 | Guerin | i think they distribute it with courier too, right |
| 06:18.13 | Supaplex | debian takes care of it for me. I dunna care :-X |
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| 06:19.05 | Guerin | one of my slaves in another channel is writing one in ruby on rails |
| 06:19.19 | Guerin | but he's slower than the damn egyptians and their pyramid :) |
| 06:19.20 | Supaplex | ohh ho the pain |
| 06:19.50 | Supaplex | or improve sqwebmail ;) |
| 06:20.08 | Supaplex | search would be nice... modules, ajax... stuff... |
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| 06:23.17 | Supaplex | what should a lib* package use durring dpkg-buildpackage (debian/rules?) in place of ldconfig? It's trying to install a .so to debian/tmp/, then it yells I need to add some path to /etc/ld.so.conf. Sounds like a "bad idea (tm)" when building only. :) |
| 06:23.25 | bokey | Guerin: back again. =) |
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| 06:28.18 | Supaplex | !chop freenode |
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| 06:30.09 | bokey | geez.. netsplit ? |
| 06:30.38 | stranger_stone | o0 |
| 06:30.39 | stranger_stone | 0o |
| 06:30.42 | navaladi | Hi frnds, I have apache running in Home with ddclient to u update DynDns, I can access my pc from anywhere from the world but except not from my University..It asks for DSL Router passwd.. |
| 06:31.32 | bokey | navaladi: port forward |
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| 06:32.07 | bokey | stranger_stone: =) |
| 06:32.38 | Supaplex | double check you're not using that port on the modem for its management :) |
| 06:32.52 | navaladi | bokey - Dude i also checked that by this method "First logged to rootshell.be in my account" from there i invoked connection to my Hoem..that also fails.. |
| 06:33.06 | navaladi | bokey - port forward ?any help |
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| 06:33.48 | bokey | navaladi: don't know dude. anybody else maybe Supaplex ? |
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| 06:34.08 | navaladi | bokey - For anonymous apache server also asks for passwd.. |
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| 06:34.15 | navaladi | bokey - oh ok,thx |
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| 06:35.06 | navaladi | Hi frnds, any body have idea? |
| 06:35.12 | Guerin | Supaplex: sqwebmail appears to have such amazingly bad documentation I can't fuigure out even how to installify it |
| 06:35.14 | hburchey | How can I use my USB mass storage device? I plugged it into my computer, but I didn't get any console messages and none of the /dev/sd* devices except for my HDD are accessible. |
| 06:35.19 | itchi | navaladi: It not work trought the rootshell.be ? |
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| 06:35.34 | Guerin | i mean; i can install the package, but can't figure out how to make it play nice with apache |
| 06:35.49 | k-man | do you have to patch a 2.6 kernel to do software suspend? |
| 06:36.08 | itchi | navaladi: Ask the sysadmins of the univ? These block some stuff |
| 06:36.37 | navaladi | itchi - the problem is i can not access my pc from my University, i can access other than my Univ place |
| 06:36.52 | itchi | navaladi: Yeah, i know, see his firewall |
| 06:36.54 | navaladi | itch - It asks for DSL router passwd, even for http:// |
| 06:37.18 | navaladi | itchi - Whose firewall?..University? or my ISP firewall |
| 06:37.23 | itchi | navaladi: These have setup an proxy server or so?? |
| 06:37.39 | itchi | navaladi: That of the univ if it's only there that it give the trouble |
| 06:37.50 | navaladi | itchi - yeah University have proxy server |
| 06:38.09 | itchi | navaladi: That should be the cause, or you need to tunnel the data then |
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| 06:38.40 | navaladi | itchi - But i can login to rootshell.be thorugh ssh |
| 06:38.56 | navaladi | itchi - tunnel through, how it is pls. |
| 06:39.11 | itchi | navaladi: For your dyns, use you the default port? |
| 06:39.24 | itchi | navaladi: The same port as for rootshell.be ? |
| 06:39.37 | jimmybgood | anybody know of a cpufreq userspace program that works like a screensaver? |
| 06:39.46 | itchi | navaladi: Btw, i wonder if you are of Belgium :-) |
| 06:40.09 | navaladi | itchi - I have configured ftp:// , http:// & ssh both i can not access |
| 06:40.20 | navaladi | itchi - not in belgium..:) |
| 06:40.34 | itchi | navaladi: heh, and you make use of rootshell.be :-p |
| 06:40.40 | KyleH | trying to install debian on an old Thinkpad 600E: the installer will not initialize the pcmcia bus - "cardbus cards are not supported" - anyone know why? |
| 06:40.51 | navaladi | itchi - all r default port, 80, 22 ,21 |
| 06:41.39 | navaladi | itchi - And it asks for DSL Router passwd even though my PC is down.. |
| 06:41.41 | itchi | navaladi: I dunno about your trouble, but most likely it's the univ that setup some security things. You should first ask hen if these not block it. What probably are the case. If it's so you need eventually to tunnel the ssh traffic trought http or whatever |
| 06:42.09 | itchi | KyleH: I not know why, but you can desactivate the autodection, maybe help that |
| 06:42.39 | itchi | navaladi: Yeah, that's sound like an security setup these did there |
| 06:42.55 | Guerin | bah, naturally |
| 06:42.57 | streuner | !slap Guerin |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | cgi-bin |
| 06:43.31 | navaladi | itchi - ok , only one qns, is that asking for MY ISP Router passwd or Univ Router passwd? |
| 06:44.03 | KyleH | itchi:. thx - but knoppix will initialize the pcmcia and cards - so I should be able to get the debian installer to work |
| 06:44.16 | itchi | navaladi: Probably univ router. That's why it's best you talk to these guys about it. |
| 06:44.35 | navaladi | itchi - good, thanks |
| 06:44.43 | itchi | ajax is that javascript? heh |
| 06:45.10 | streuner | Ajax Amsterdam or some greek god ;-) |
| 06:45.24 | itchi | streuner: Made be an Dutch guy or so? |
| 06:45.49 | itchi | streuner: haha |
| 06:46.06 | itchi | streuner: Just saw the football site :-p |
| 06:46.22 | streuner | itchi: never saw 'Troy' :-) |
| 06:46.25 | streuner | ? |
| 06:46.26 | navaladi | itchi - dude, Tunneling is possible for my apache server rather than ssh. |
| 06:46.43 | itchi | streuner: Not yet, a movie? |
| 06:46.48 | streuner | itchi: yeah |
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| 06:48.15 | streuner | ravenbird, ajax is <reply> Ajax, shorthand for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML, is a web development technique for creating interactive web applications. |
| 06:48.16 | ravenbird | streuner: okay |
| 06:48.39 | itchi | hhhmmm, so is that better as javascript? |
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| 06:49.36 | itchi | The FlightGear Flight Simulator multiplayer map is writen in ajax |
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| 06:50.35 | streuner | itchi: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28mythologie%29 |
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| 06:52.02 | itchi | streuner: Thanks and in Dutch! :-) |
| 06:52.27 | itchi | streuner: Just that it's OT ;-) |
| 06:53.08 | itchi | streuner: Maybe i have miss somethings?? |
| 06:53.38 | streuner | itchi: well, the movie itself, you should see it ;-) |
| 06:53.56 | itchi | streuner: It's on the list ;-) shuuut :-) |
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| 07:00.12 | streuner | itchi: well, i never thought that 'Brad' is a good actor, but in this movie he is just great. |
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| 07:00.35 | itchi | streuner: Pitt? |
| 07:00.37 | w3bD3v | sup guys |
| 07:00.43 | streuner | yeah |
| 07:00.53 | deuche | exit |
| 07:00.55 | w3bD3v | can someone tell me where to start? I want to setup an IRC server on a free shell server |
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| 07:01.28 | Guerin | w3bD3v: because free shell servers allow you to run ircds |
| 07:01.31 | itchi | streuner: Gona see ;-) if it goes fast, still 0 now :-/ maybe on another time of the day |
| 07:01.41 | w3bD3v | ircds? |
| 07:01.47 | w3bD3v | nvr heard that b4 |
| 07:02.02 | itchi | w3bD3v: wooaa |
| 07:02.04 | w3bD3v | sry |
| 07:02.05 | w3bD3v | :D |
| 07:02.34 | w3bD3v | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:02.43 | w3bD3v | i'm linux stupid |
| 07:03.04 | Guerin | w3bD3v: d = server |
| 07:03.20 | itchi | w3bD3v: Tryout vim, also available for winCrap |
| 07:03.25 | w3bD3v | oh ok |
| 07:03.26 | Guerin | w3bD3v: anbd free shell hosts don't allow them because they gobble up system resour4ces and make you a target for litigation and hackery |
| 07:03.27 | w3bD3v | :D |
| 07:03.36 | w3bD3v | oh i c |
| 07:03.40 | w3bD3v | hmm |
| 07:03.51 | w3bD3v | i'm runnin xp home, is IRC still possible? |
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| 07:04.16 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 07:04.16 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:04.17 | itchi | w3bD3v: On windows, not yet sure ... |
| 07:04.27 | w3bD3v | i didn't think so |
| 07:04.35 | w3bD3v | but I did have apache on it :D |
| 07:04.36 | Guerin | w3bD3v: if you don't know there fundamental things, an ircd is NOT what you want to be administering |
| 07:04.43 | w3bD3v | lol |
| 07:04.50 | w3bD3v | i know, but i figured i'd ask :D |
| 07:05.09 | w3bD3v | ok thanks for the info guys, i'll just get my friend to host it on his server |
| 07:05.11 | w3bD3v | c ya |
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| 07:05.40 | itchi | kugh |
| 07:05.56 | itchi | crap of leave msg ^ |
| 07:06.53 | itchi | I wonder how it come that Win users are faster that GNU/Linux |
| 07:06.58 | itchi | ... faster to leave |
| 07:07.51 | KyleH | they have to reboot |
| 07:08.05 | SpeedyG | probably :) |
| 07:08.22 | centrx | fools |
| 07:09.26 | itchi | maybe these have missed some virusses to get, buahaha :-p |
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| 07:11.51 | nocti | what wm can you guys recommend? something fast that would run on a p3. thanks. no gnome/kde. |
| 07:12.49 | itchi | nocti: Fluxbox? |
| 07:13.19 | nocti | itchi, ok thanks. :) |
| 07:13.30 | centrx | Englithenment 17 |
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| 07:13.48 | itchi | nocti: You need eventually to tryout and take these you like |
| 07:14.20 | itchi | nocti: /msg dpkg wm |
| 07:14.36 | nocti | Enlightenment? isn't that a bit heavy? im not sure :) just by looking at the screenshots... then again i guess i'll try em out. thanks |
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| 07:15.10 | itchi | nocti: The part that are intersting is that to see which one you already have on your system |
| 07:15.15 | nocti | itchi, yes i think you're right, best to browse and try them myself. |
| 07:15.27 | itchi | nocti: There's an website for it too |
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| 07:15.55 | anilomka1 | I connected HP scanner can any one tell me process how to scan the photos? |
| 07:16.17 | itchi | nocti: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 07:16.30 | nocti | nice thanks |
| 07:16.55 | nocti | been there but some of the wms are not yet updated, but it's nice to pick out choices |
| 07:18.07 | nocti | is somebody running some exotic wm here? |
| 07:18.41 | KyleH | wm? |
| 07:18.53 | streuner | !wm |
| 07:18.54 | dpkg | window manager is probably a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 07:19.13 | nocti | something with full kybd control for starters, im not really a mouse guy |
| 07:19.22 | anilomka1 | hello all, I have connected HP scanner to my debian sid, can any one tell me the process how to scan the pics? |
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| 07:19.39 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 07:19.45 | SableSlayer | hello |
| 07:19.47 | jeffrin | how to undelete a file using debian |
| 07:20.02 | jeffrin | how to undelete a file in debian |
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| 07:20.36 | SableSlayer | you mean how to recover that was deleted in debian? im not really too sure you can but im kind of new to debian |
| 07:20.36 | KyleH | !wm5 |
| 07:20.36 | dpkg | well, wm5 is Windows Mobile 5 an application designed to make you love linux more. |
| 07:20.42 | nocti | effrin, http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/1652211 |
| 07:21.00 | cahoot | http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 07:21.22 | streuner | jeffrin: usually you restore from backups? |
| 07:21.33 | itchi | I'm looking again to Window Make, looking the pics, i wonder why so many?? people use it |
| 07:22.17 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 07:22.17 | dpkg | hmm... unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 07:23.45 | cahoot | jeffrin, In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it actually zeros out the block pointers in the inode |
| 07:24.37 | nocti | jeffrin, look into that link i gave you, it's a new article in linux.com.. |
| 07:24.43 | nocti | haven't read it tho.. :) |
| 07:24.52 | jeffrin | nocti : thanks |
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| 07:25.07 | streuner | well, you don't need to backup the pr0n, its usually enough to backup the important data ;-) |
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| 07:25.36 | craigevil | what? not back up the pron, blasphemy |
| 07:25.40 | nocti | streuner, funny, pr0n is always the first one that gets backed up in my box :) |
| 07:26.10 | craigevil | 8k pics plus a few movies always get backed-up |
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| 07:26.45 | amphi | jeffrin: it has been reported that testdisk can recover deleted files from ext3, I am somewhat incredulous |
| 07:26.57 | craigevil | but then again so does my entire home partition, gotta love dvd burners |
| 07:27.18 | Guerin | why back pr0n up? it's mirrored all over the world |
| 07:28.28 | aao_pwner | LAwl. |
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| 07:30.09 | reklez | what channel has mepis help? |
| 07:30.34 | streuner | #mepis 20 Welcome to #mepis | This is the Mepis Linux support channel. Any questions you may have concerning Mepis Linux can be asked here. Please read the Introduction & Rules page: http://tinyurl.com/lz893 | Latest Release: SimplyMEPIS 6.0 DVD edition |
| 07:31.43 | streuner | reklez: keep in mind, if those 20 people all in america you should ask latter then... |
| 07:32.32 | craigevil | wow a whole 20 people |
| 07:33.12 | itchi | jeffrin: The output is a bit strange, but does it, there's an article about it on debian-administration btw |
| 07:33.12 | reklez | yah like okay, 20 people. must work flawlessly or something. |
| 07:33.14 | H0LE | guys,any information about debian 4.0? |
| 07:33.33 | streuner | H0LE: /msg dpkg wir |
| 07:33.51 | H0LE | streuner: thx |
| 07:34.06 | streuner | H0LE: search for vorlon's message about |
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| 07:38.48 | streuner | H0LE: according due the fact that many people want 2.6.18 in d-i (debian-installer) the release has some delay |
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| 07:39.12 | Harzilein | hi there |
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| 07:51.01 | sether | yo yo |
| 07:51.37 | bidha2kbsd | hi i run 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config', created /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and exim seem running well. I want to add tranport like local_delivery ..etc..but i am not able to do so.. i get following errmsg /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf: line 32: local_delivery:: command not found /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf: line 33: driver: command not found |
| 07:52.44 | bathat | is anyone here using xorg 7.1.0-5? |
| 07:52.54 | Harzilein | ok, i have a rather academic problem. i have several programs that lack latin1 support when LC_CTYPE isn't set (i.e. defaults to POSIX -> charset is iso646) |
| 07:52.56 | streuner | bathat: just ask |
| 07:53.03 | Harzilein | and |
| 07:53.24 | bathat | i started having some problems right around the time i installed it |
| 07:53.27 | Harzilein | of course i could set LC_CTYPE to some locale that uses latin1 in /etc/environment |
| 07:53.38 | streuner | bathat: what are you using? etch? |
| 07:53.51 | bathat | if i launch an xterm, for example, the cursor disappears (is black) when i mouseover it |
| 07:53.52 | bathat | streuner: yes |
| 07:53.53 | Harzilein | but is there an equally language-agnostic way as setting it to C/POSIX? |
| 07:54.14 | bathat | X supposedly has trouble displaying certain colors |
| 07:54.23 | Harzilein | i noticed there's a 2002 standard that defines as i18n locale which in turn defaults to UTF8 as charset |
| 07:54.45 | Harzilein | but the standard only mentions that locale as being used to define other locales, not for real use |
| 07:55.08 | Harzilein | s/fines as/fines a/ |
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| 07:55.27 | bathat_ | if i try to launch an xterm from xFterm, i just get: |
| 07:55.28 | bathat_ | Warning: Color name "black" is not defined |
| 07:55.29 | bathat_ | Warning: Color name "gray60" is not defined |
| 07:55.29 | bathat_ | Warning: Cannot convert arguments to displayList function "foreground" |
| 07:55.29 | bathat_ | Warning: Cannot convert string "foreground gray90;lines 1,-1,-1,-1,-1,1;foreground gray60;lines -1,0,0,0,0,-1" to type XawDisplayList |
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| 07:56.01 | streuner | Don't flood here |
| 07:56.07 | bathat | sorry |
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| 07:56.16 | streuner | bathat: what does BTS say about? |
| 07:56.22 | bathat | essentially, Warning: Color name "black" is not defined |
| 07:56.40 | bathat | BTS? |
| 07:56.48 | streuner | ravenbird, bts |
| 07:56.53 | ravenbird | the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try <http://bugs.debian.org/packagename>. Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug. reportbug also has querybts in it; 'querybts <bug number>' or 'querybts <package name>' |
| 07:57.04 | bathat | oh ok |
| 07:57.06 | bathat | i checked there |
| 07:57.08 | bathat | but not extensively |
| 07:57.22 | bathat | i'm not entirely sure xorg is at fault |
| 07:57.33 | bathat | but it would seem that way |
| 07:57.44 | streuner | did you search in xterm packages as well? |
| 07:57.47 | hburchey | When I plug in my USB hard disk I get this message on the console: "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2". But how do I actually go about mounting it? |
| 07:57.52 | nocti | i have a debian box with no internet connection, how can i update it? thanks |
| 07:57.57 | streuner | s/packages/package/ |
| 07:58.01 | bathat | well, i get similar errors with other apps |
| 07:58.16 | streuner | nocti: how do you connect to i-net at all? |
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| 07:59.08 | nocti | streuner, it's not connected. it's an extra box i have lying around in another house. i just want to have an updated debian there. |
| 07:59.29 | Harzilein | ok, so no suggestions on my problem? |
| 07:59.43 | nocti | streuner, i was thinking maybe i can update here and bring it there, but how... |
| 07:59.56 | bathat | streuner: do you know where i could find an earlier version of xorg? |
| 08:00.04 | bathat | i'm looking in the pool |
| 08:00.41 | streuner | bathat: downgrading xorg is a little harsch, just search at groups.google.com about... |
| 08:01.00 | streuner | nocti: so the debian box isn't connected to everything at all? |
| 08:01.19 | nocti | streuner, no connection at all. except for the power plug :) |
| 08:01.50 | nocti | i have no probs with getting debs into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:02.01 | nocti | the problem is updating /var/lib/apt/lists/* |
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| 08:02.31 | bathat | oh, i didn't have x11-common installed |
| 08:02.35 | bathat | maybe that was the problem |
| 08:02.42 | nocti | with an updated pkg list, i can always do a "apt-get -qq --print-uris install pkg" and get the links and dl that from another box, even a win32 box |
| 08:02.44 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 08:02.44 | dpkg | somebody said apt-zip was Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 08:02.45 | streuner | nocti: debian without i-net is rather senseless, connect this box to i-net |
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| 08:03.43 | nocti | streuner, i know that, but i dont need that answer. thanks anyway. i dont have the option to get a connection for that house. i just want to have a debian box there so if im there i can use it. |
| 08:04.19 | streuner | so read what the bot told you (apt-zip) |
| 08:04.22 | nocti | valdyn, apt-zip needs an "apt-get update" which i can't do on that box |
| 08:04.47 | valdyn | nocti: i'd doubt that |
| 08:05.10 | nocti | valdyn, last time i checked... i'll check again anywa |
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| 08:05.30 | streuner | bathat: that's rather odd then |
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| 08:06.09 | bathat | same goes for xserver-xorg |
| 08:06.10 | Harzilein | ok, looks like noone's interested |
| 08:06.14 | Harzilein | :( |
| 08:06.18 | bathat | i wonder why apt-get failed to satisfy depends |
| 08:07.01 | streuner | apt-get install x-window-system should usually take care about that |
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| 08:07.17 | streuner | maybe a bug in that package, just a wild guess |
| 08:07.32 | jabka | when i write in heb inside printf the output is ltr instead rtl could anyone test it on gcc lower then 4 ? |
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| 08:08.10 | bathat | another app that has problems is conky |
| 08:08.12 | bathat | Conky: can't parse X color 'slate grey' |
| 08:08.42 | bathat | i'd like to roll back to xorg 7.0 but i can't figure out how to do this |
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| 08:09.11 | valdyn | jabka: eh? how would C compiler know about hebrew ? |
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| 08:10.16 | jabka | valdyn : in version 4 it reorgnize the output xyz is zyx |
| 08:10.17 | streuner | bathat: i wouldn't do that, because you need to remove whole X-server and install that by hand new... |
| 08:10.43 | bathat | yeah, so probably not such a bright idea |
| 08:10.50 | bathat | you're right |
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| 08:10.59 | valdyn | jabka: no, certainly not, printf doesn't do that |
| 08:11.22 | jabka | what ? it won't print at all or every thing was printed ok ? |
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| 08:11.23 | streuner | bathat: 7.0 wasn't that bugfree either... |
| 08:11.35 | streuner | many bugs solved in 7.1 |
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| 08:11.48 | bathat | yeah, i guess it's not that big of a deal since i don't use xterm |
| 08:11.52 | valdyn | jabka: printf knows nothing about languages or locales |
| 08:12.01 | bathat | but mrxvt doesn't launch because of undefined colors |
| 08:12.08 | bathat | but that's not a big deal either |
| 08:12.22 | streuner | how about aterm? |
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| 08:12.33 | bathat | not installed |
| 08:12.36 | bathat | i use xfterm |
| 08:12.38 | bathat | xfce |
| 08:12.44 | jabka | valdyn: if i use english letter in printf everything is ok but i write in heb (ascii > 127) it is reorgnized |
| 08:13.03 | bathat | i'm sure it's just a bug inthe package |
| 08:13.05 | valdyn | jabka: that's your terminal, not C |
| 08:13.21 | bathat | i'd like to find someone else with the same version and ask them |
| 08:13.48 | bathat | wait, it's in the apt cache |
| 08:13.52 | bathat | 7.0.22 |
| 08:14.33 | bathat | i'll just rollback xorg and x11-common |
| 08:14.54 | bathat | it's downgrading |
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| 08:15.52 | jabka | i wrote a file in vim and then used cat to see the file all ok so i geuss it is gcc .. |
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| 08:17.24 | bathat | hmm, well that didn't work |
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| 08:18.58 | derek_ | Hi |
| 08:19.04 | zasz | so is etch at the "any day now" point? |
| 08:19.10 | valdyn | zasz: no |
| 08:19.14 | jabka | how can i remove myself from some group on ssh ? i can use chmod and chown as an ordinar user |
| 08:19.15 | zasz | roger that |
| 08:19.19 | derek_ | I added a default gateway using route command. How can I remove the default gateway? |
| 08:19.50 | valdyn | zasz: see http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, when RC bug count is like below 5 its 'any day' |
| 08:19.55 | zasz | you should only have one |
| 08:20.00 | zasz | default gateway |
| 08:20.17 | valdyn | derek_: route del default <interface> |
| 08:20.25 | valdyn | derek_: route del default gw |
| 08:20.30 | zasz | use route del to get rid of routes |
| 08:20.33 | zasz | oh, nvm |
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| 08:21.03 | cydork | zasz, Or check http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html :P |
| 08:21.04 | zasz | 200 ! |
| 08:22.33 | zasz | So in other words etch isn't getting promoted in december |
| 08:23.08 | valdyn | zasz: from past experience i'd say 'defenitely not' but who knows |
| 08:23.09 | cydork | zasz, i didn't say that.. |
| 08:23.40 | zasz | That is upsetting |
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| 08:23.59 | valdyn | zasz: why? its already tradition |
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| 08:25.48 | derek_ | valdyn, ok, and then how do I add the gateway only for a particular ehternet card? like only for eth0 . (actually I sometimes also connect using ppp0 and the default gateway applies to it too. which I don't want.) |
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| 08:26.48 | valdyn | derek_: when you switch default gateway you always have to remove the old one |
| 08:27.11 | derek_ | I can't remove it. The command: route del default gw ..didn't work (as root) |
| 08:27.34 | valdyn | derek_: just 'route del default' should do it |
| 08:28.00 | valdyn | derek_: or 'route del default gw <ip>' |
| 08:28.04 | derek_ | it won't delete anything else except for the gw? |
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| 08:28.22 | Kevin` | you can just to route del default |
| 08:28.41 | Kevin` | unless you have more then one default gateway (which is brokenish, and a good reason to remove one) |
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| 08:31.06 | ftatr2006 | hello |
| 08:31.10 | ftatr2006 | can some one help me |
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| 08:31.19 | valdyn | !tell ftatr2006 -about ask |
| 08:31.26 | ftatr2006 | i need to mount a drive and i dont know how to do it |
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| 08:32.05 | valdyn | ftatr2006: drives cant be mounted, filesystems can be mounted, filesystems can reside on drives, but more usually they are on partitions |
| 08:32.38 | valdyn | ftatr2006: have you read the mount manpage? |
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| 08:35.48 | ftatr2006 | its mounted but i cant access it |
| 08:36.03 | valdyn | ftatr2006: why cant you? |
| 08:36.14 | zasz | can someone give me a good guide / pointer on setting up ETRN aka mailbagging in postfix |
| 08:36.31 | Guerin | zasz: never even heard of it. What's it do? |
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| 08:36.54 | ftatr2006 | access denied |
| 08:37.04 | valdyn | !wikifaq ftatr2006 Permissions |
| 08:37.05 | dpkg | ftatr2006: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 08:37.25 | valdyn | ftatr2006: is that a windows ( vfat ) filesystem ? |
| 08:37.34 | ftatr2006 | no |
| 08:37.37 | ftatr2006 | ext3 |
| 08:37.46 | ftatr2006 | used to be ntfs |
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| 08:38.02 | valdyn | ftatr2006: you can access it as root then |
| 08:38.44 | zasz | Guerin, it's when your primary mailserver goes down, mail gets redirected to the other MX record |
| 08:38.53 | zasz | when the primary comes back up, the mail flows back to it from the secondary |
| 08:39.10 | Guerin | zasz: don't remote MTAs do that automatically? |
| 08:39.13 | ftatr2006 | let me check |
| 08:39.46 | ftatr2006 | yes i can |
| 08:40.49 | zasz | Guerin I'm the one setting up the MTA |
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| 08:41.01 | zasz | you need to configure ETRN for it to work |
| 08:41.34 | valdyn | zasz: like http://www.postfix.org/ETRN_README.html ? |
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| 08:42.23 | Guerin | oh, I see. |
| 08:42.36 | Guerin | it's different to what I thought |
| 08:42.55 | Sypher | erh ... |
| 08:43.06 | Sypher | srv:/# mkdir old |
| 08:43.07 | Sypher | srvt:/# mv * old |
| 08:43.19 | Sypher | lols? ^_^ any way to solve that? ^_^ |
| 08:43.33 | Guerin | Sypher: what? |
| 08:43.41 | Sypher | Guerin, i just moved the whole / |
| 08:43.43 | Sypher | to /old |
| 08:43.45 | Sypher | shit. -.- |
| 08:43.55 | Sypher | tought i was in /root |
| 08:43.55 | Sypher | :) |
| 08:44.16 | Guerin | Sypher: move it back ;) |
| 08:44.24 | Sypher | ye ... |
| 08:44.26 | Sypher | mv |
| 08:44.34 | Sypher | /usr/bin/mv: not found |
| 08:44.38 | Guerin | no shit |
| 08:44.55 | PumpkinPie | prepend /old to all commands |
| 08:44.56 | Guerin | try calling /old/usr/bin/mv |
| 08:46.08 | Sypher | lolz ye wait |
| 08:46.09 | Sypher | ^_^ |
| 08:46.22 | Sypher | nah ... |
| 08:46.33 | Sypher | talent:/old# ./bin/mv * / |
| 08:46.33 | Sypher | -bash: ./bin/mv: No such file or directory |
| 08:47.13 | Sypher | omg ... haha wtf. |
| 08:47.16 | PumpkinPie | what the hell are you doing |
| 08:47.18 | Sypher | im fucked? ... |
| 08:47.29 | zasz | valdyn: much obliged |
| 08:47.30 | Sypher | PumpkinPie, i cant seem to call those commands |
| 08:47.56 | PumpkinPie | why are you using a "." |
| 08:48.03 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 08:48.03 | Sypher | tried both |
| 08:48.06 | Sypher | with and without ;P |
| 08:48.19 | tengulre | how to speak 'debian'? [di:b@n]? |
| 08:48.26 | Sypher | talent:/# /old/bin/mv /old/* / |
| 08:48.26 | Sypher | -bash: /old/bin/mv: No such file or directory |
| 08:48.34 | valdyn | Sypher: that . is fine, question is why your mv isnt where you think you moved it |
| 08:48.53 | Sypher | valdyn, it is actually, i can "tab tab" the list of dirs and files |
| 08:48.55 | Sypher | and its there ... |
| 08:49.04 | Sypher | damn i cant even open another shell to the server |
| 08:49.07 | Guerin | file /old/bin/mv |
| 08:49.08 | Sypher | once my connection goes down im fucked. |
| 08:49.20 | Sypher | talent:/# file /old/bin/mv |
| 08:49.20 | Sypher | -bash: /usr/bin/file: No such file or directory |
| 08:49.24 | Guerin | Sypher: you're remote. Better and better. |
| 08:49.30 | Sypher | Guerin, haha |
| 08:49.32 | Sypher | yea ... |
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| 08:49.45 | Guerin | Sypher: bah. |
| 08:49.45 | Sypher | Guerin, and a DNS has just been changed to move all the production sites on that IP |
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| 08:49.57 | Sypher | like adding gasoline to the fire uh? ;P |
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| 08:50.14 | Sypher | wait a sec maybe im gonna solve. |
| 08:50.37 | Guerin | Sypher: there's no reason calling the thing directly shouldn't work |
| 08:50.48 | Sypher | Guerin, dont know about that ... |
| 08:50.54 | Guerin | well |
| 08:50.58 | Sypher | im just gonna add /old/bin to the path... |
| 08:51.08 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:51.10 | Sypher | export PATH="paths" |
| 08:51.11 | Sypher | right ? |
| 08:51.14 | Guerin | that was the next plan |
| 08:51.23 | valdyn | not going to work anyway, you still would need a staticaly linked mv |
| 08:51.46 | Guerin | Sypher: export PATH=/old/bin:$PATH |
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| 08:52.15 | Guerin | Sypher: and you probably want to export an additional library path too |
| 08:52.32 | Sypher | meanie! |
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| 08:54.19 | Sypher | valdyn, ye dosnt work |
| 08:54.31 | Sypher | but i dont get it, im calling the command and it dosnt work .. why the hell ... |
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| 08:55.34 | bronaugh | has anyone here had experience with JFS; good, bad, or otherwise? |
| 08:55.49 | valdyn | !polls |
| 08:55.49 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 08:56.09 | bronaugh | thinking about using it as my root filesystem; but first, I'd like to hear why or why not. |
| 08:56.25 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 08:56.25 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 08:56.46 | peterS | !filesystems =~ s/slow but/medium-speed but/ |
| 08:56.46 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 08:57.11 | peterS | !filesystems =~ s/medium speed,/slow,/ |
| 08:57.11 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 08:57.12 | bronaugh | yeah, I've used all of the above for varying lengths of time except jfs. |
| 08:57.20 | peterS | I was _not_ impressed by jfs speed the one time I tried it |
| 08:57.25 | peterS | I mean on Linux. it's ok on AIX. |
| 09:00.44 | bronaugh | ext3 hasn't lost much of my data; xfs has lost plenty; reiser4 lost a whole subtree once for no good reason; reiser3 didn't screw up, but I didn't give it much chance to either. |
| 09:00.45 | Sypher | Guerin, valdyn, any suggestions except calling the hosting company? ... |
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| 09:00.45 | valdyn | peterS: how does ext3 perform doing ls in a dir with a huge amount of files? |
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| 09:00.46 | valdyn | peterS: reiserfs is very bad there.. |
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| 09:00.46 | Guerin | Sypher: exporting a path and ld library path didn't work? |
| 09:00.47 | Sypher | wait ... ld library, didnt try |
| 09:00.47 | Sypher | whats the path to those normally? |
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| 09:00.47 | valdyn | Sypher: all libraries needed by mv are in /lib, /old/lib for you |
| 09:00.47 | Guerin | Sypher: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is empty unless you define it |
| 09:00.47 | Guerin | unlike PATH |
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| 09:01.01 | Sypher | wait ... i didnt correctly understand. |
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| 09:01.09 | Sypher | should i export /lib in PATH ? |
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| 09:01.13 | Sypher | ah |
| 09:01.16 | Sypher | no nvmind u got it |
| 09:01.16 | Sypher | :) |
| 09:01.19 | Sypher | sec, trying |
| 09:01.24 | Guerin | Sypher: export PATH=/old/bin:$PATH |
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| 09:01.56 | Guerin | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/old/lib |
| 09:02.09 | Sypher | done |
| 09:02.10 | Sypher | but still ... |
| 09:02.15 | Sypher | no such file or dir |
| 09:02.19 | Sypher | its the error ... |
| 09:02.21 | Guerin | that's just fucked |
| 09:02.30 | Sypher | not like mv starts and dies because it lacks some libs |
| 09:02.35 | Sypher | seems like it cant really locate it ... damn |
| 09:02.49 | peterS | Sypher: so like /lib/ld-linux.so.2 does not exist? |
| 09:03.06 | Sypher | peterS, yes i guess thats the case ... |
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| 09:03.35 | Guerin | peterS: he moved /* to /old |
| 09:03.55 | peterS | Sypher: then I hope you have a copy of /lib/ld-linux.so.2 somewhere else. run your commands prefixed by that binary name. so on a normal system you say "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 cp foo bar". on your system, I guess LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/old/lib /old/lib/ld-linux.so.2 mv ....." |
| 09:03.56 | Guerin | peterS: and now the shell isn't recognising that /old/bin/mv is still there |
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| 09:04.27 | bronaugh | peterS: so why do you have a negative opinion of jfs? |
| 09:04.33 | peterS | Sypher: possibly you need a full pathname: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/old/lib /old/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /old/bin/mv ..... |
| 09:04.53 | peterS | bronaugh: I don't, really, but it's dog-slow and I don't see any advantages it has over ext3 |
| 09:05.07 | Sypher | peterS, gimme a sec.... |
| 09:05.21 | bronaugh | peterS: ok; in the benchmarks linked, however, it performs about on par with xfs. |
| 09:05.25 | peterS | bronaugh: so I only tried it briefly. the speed comparison was really stark. maybe my test was unfair but we're talking seconds vs. minutes |
| 09:05.59 | peterS | like 20 seconds vs. 18 minutes, if I remember correctly. let me see if I can go find what I actually did for a test |
| 09:06.05 | Sypher | talent:/old/bin# /old/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /old/bin/mv /old/* / |
| 09:06.07 | bronaugh | peterS: I did a brief comparison and had a similar result. I've heard there's some kind of flag you're supposed to turn off. |
| 09:06.08 | Sypher | so this should work ? |
| 09:06.27 | peterS | Sypher: don't forget to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 09:06.41 | peterS | Sypher: either it'll work or not work, why don't you just try it |
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| 09:07.05 | Sypher | worked :D |
| 09:07.08 | solar_ant | hi al |
| 09:07.12 | solar_ant | hi all* |
| 09:07.16 | Guerin | !win peterS |
| 09:07.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, peterS! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 09:07.21 | solar_ant | i am using kde |
| 09:07.23 | Sypher | now gotta empty that ld and restore path to previously ... :) |
| 09:07.39 | solar_ant | and control centre is empty |
| 09:07.49 | Guerin | solar_ant: welcome to life with testing |
| 09:07.53 | Sypher | omg |
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| 09:08.01 | Sypher | peterS Guerin valdyn, thanks ^_^ |
| 09:08.08 | Sypher | you guys just saved my workplace haha |
| 09:08.28 | peterS | np |
| 09:08.34 | Guerin | peterS: but WHY is ld-linux.so.2 required for that? |
| 09:08.45 | Sypher | ye i was wondering the same thing ... |
| 09:09.13 | peterS | Guerin: because /lib/ld-linux.so.2 is what actually performs the dynamic linking at runtime. without that, you can't get to the libraries with or without LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 09:09.16 | Sypher | actually, i dont even know that ld-linux.so.2 existed before ... ^_^ |
| 09:09.16 | Guerin | peterS: that's the thing which actually runs the binary? |
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| 09:09.16 | Guerin | i've seen it used in broken chroots before |
| 09:09.17 | craigevil | solar_ant: take a look at> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397057 |
| 09:09.27 | Guerin | ah, it's the linker |
| 09:09.34 | peterS | right, the runtime linker |
| 09:13.04 | peterS | if you have a staticly linked binary it won't use /lib/ld-linux.so.2, but otherwise you will. the path is hardcoded into the binary, so the base binary doesn't know anything about search paths or LD_LIBRARY_PATH or anything |
| 09:13.04 | peterS | fortunately ld-linux.so.2 is _also_ a standalone executable, so you can get around this limitation in the manner I described. |
| 09:13.04 | peterS | bronaugh: <peterS> so I guess I'm a little underwhelmed by jfs. I just tried an identical 'find . -type f | wc -l' operation on two identical filesystems. ext3 took around 20 seconds. jfs took ... well, it's been 10 minutes so far and it isn't finished yet. caches should've been about equally cold. |
| 09:13.04 | peterS | bronaugh: <peterS> this is 20 GB of small files spread over only 100 directories, so I guess the benchmark here is large directory performance. |
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| 09:13.08 | peterS | bronaugh: <peterS> ok, 300 files and 1.2 million files. so average 4000 files per directory. I guess that's still considered a lot. too much for jfs to handle, at least. ahhh, jfs just finished in 18:20. (ext3 took 0:20, remember) |
| 09:20.25 | peterS | (by "300 files" I mean 300 directories) |
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| 09:21.31 | floundering | hi, I just wrecked my console display (vesafb and X is not funning) on another machine, is there a way of resetting it without a reboot? |
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| 09:21.32 | valdyn | floundering: log in from remote and get X to run\ |
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| 09:21.34 | solar_ant | Guerin: is there a fix to this yet ? |
| 09:21.35 | peterS | <peterS> so, the ext3/jfs benchmark results weren't just a matter of cold cache |
| 09:21.35 | bronaugh | anyhow, xfs it is for filesystem. |
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| 09:21.36 | peterS | for jfs. repeating the jfs run, it took 18:09 this time, compared to 0:22 for ext3. |
| 09:21.36 | peterS | <peterS> (and 2.7 seconds for ext3 with hot cache) |
| 09:21.36 | SperMite | can any one please send me a Demonoid registration invitation code |
| 09:21.36 | bronaugh | ouch. which bench was that? |
| 09:21.36 | peterS | bronaugh: that was "find . -type f | wc -l |
| 09:21.37 | bronaugh | ooo. |
| 09:21.37 | bronaugh | ouch :/ |
| 09:21.37 | peterS | bronaugh: my theory is that find on ext3 skipped the 1.2 million 'stat' calls because the readdir() returned file type info |
| 09:21.37 | bronaugh | that's not friendly at all |
| 09:21.37 | peterS | bronaugh: yeah, 2.7 seconds with hot cache, compared to 18 minutes. cute, eh? |
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| 09:21.37 | bronaugh | yeah... |
| 09:21.37 | bronaugh | did you try something similar with xfs? |
| 09:21.38 | bronaugh | or just ext3/jfs? |
| 09:21.38 | peterS | bronaugh: no, I was scared away from xfs by a nasty bug people reported in it on kernel ... whatever was current, I think 2.6.17 |
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| 09:21.38 | bronaugh | oh, lol. |
| 09:21.38 | bronaugh | maybe that's the one that ate my data :/ |
| 09:21.38 | peterS | bronaugh: this wasn't supposed to be a benchmark at all, I was copying a bunch of crap from ext3 to jfs and wanted to verify that it all got there (hence the "count the files" thing on both filesystems) |
| 09:21.44 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 09:21.44 | peterS | bronaugh: but given the results, I blew away the jfs filesystem, created it as ext3, and recopied |
| 09:21.44 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 09:21.44 | bronaugh | that's pathetic. |
| 09:21.45 | peterS | well, it's probably a slightly unfair benchmark, if ext3 really is allowing 'find' to optimise away all the stat calls |
| 09:21.45 | peterS | but it's not exactly an _uncommon_ sort of operation I do on filesystems |
| 09:21.45 | bronaugh | no, it's not. |
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| 09:21.46 | peterS | oooooh. I forgot this part. <peterS> oh, and btw, it's not because of ext3 optimising away stat calls. I just tried adding '-ctime -1' to the command and ext3 was just as fast as before. |
| 09:21.47 | peterS | so that's _still_ on the order of 2.7 seconds, I guess it must have been |
| 09:21.47 | bronaugh | hah |
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| 09:21.47 | bronaugh | would be interesting to repeat with strace thrown into the mix. |
| 09:21.47 | peterS | I suppose |
| 09:21.47 | bronaugh | to figure out what calls are actually being made. |
| 09:21.47 | bronaugh | and how many, etc. |
| 09:21.47 | morphex | hi, i'm running debian 3.1 on a server, and would like to install darcs version 1.0.8; the version available via apt is 1.0.2; how to i set it up so that i am able to install the latest version of darcs without upgrading everything? |
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| 09:21.48 | apikoros | hi.i want to have a menu option in GRUB which restores a particular partition (not the boot partition) from an image using a small shell script. what's the best way to do that? define a new init level? |
| 09:21.48 | peterS | bronaugh: someone mentioned that xfs has better locking - "SGI test setup had 64 CPUs iirc". I replied, "right, that's ... let me do the math ... 63 more CPUs than I have" |
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| 09:22.07 | valdyn | apikoros: the kernel command line option init=<patch> can be used to run whatever.. even your script |
| 09:22.20 | bronaugh | peterS: hah |
| 09:22.30 | valdyn | apikoros: err, init=<path_to_binary> |
| 09:23.22 | apikoros | valdyn, oooh, that's great. but it will skip the normal boot process, right? i.e. X won't load? |
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| 09:23.46 | valdyn | apikoros: yea, though actually, you can just run a random script, you can run a random binary |
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| 09:23.52 | valdyn | apikoros: yea, though actually, you cant just run a random script, you can run a random binary |
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| 09:23.55 | Qy | Hello. |
| 09:24.25 | apikoros | oh, has to be a binary? hm, i'm just trying to run a small script.. |
| 09:24.41 | Qy | I'm trying to get ATi's fglrx drivers installed, but I cant get it to work. I've installed fglrx-driver from etch's non-free repo. my kernel version is 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 09:24.41 | bronaugh | ok, another WTF with kubuntu. |
| 09:24.42 | bronaugh | "can't have /boot on XFS" |
| 09:24.51 | bronaugh | yeah you can. grub's been able to do that forever. |
| 09:25.08 | valdyn | apikoros: '/bin/bash -e script' or somesuch, maybe that works |
| 09:25.11 | Guerin | solar_ant: yeah, the fix is 'don't use kde' |
| 09:25.19 | SperMite | Anyone in here a registered demonoid user? |
| 09:25.23 | bronaugh | I'm about ready to kick the kubuntu bitch to the curb. |
| 09:25.24 | valdyn | apikoros: 'init=/bin/bash -e script' or somesuch, maybe that works |
| 09:25.28 | apikoros | valdyn, eh, that's not a bad idea.. i'll give that a shot |
| 09:25.31 | apikoros | thanks |
| 09:25.32 | solar_ant | Guerin: i just fixed it ! |
| 09:25.34 | Guerin | SperMite: this is not a torrent channel. |
| 09:25.50 | Guerin | solar_ant: aptitude purge kde*; works a charm! |
| 09:25.53 | Qy | um people. I had a question |
| 09:26.01 | Guerin | Qy: what happened to it? |
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| 09:26.18 | solar_ant | lol |
| 09:26.39 | solar_ant | what happened to it ....... that was a good one |
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| 09:26.56 | Qy | Guerin: i'm getting in my Xorg.0.log this errror: (WW) fglrx(0): Failed to open DRM connection |
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| 09:27.23 | Guerin | Qy: i know nothing about 3d acceleration, except that it's mostly shit and generally a waste of time. |
| 09:27.29 | valdyn | Qy: 'modprobe fglrx' |
| 09:27.43 | Qy | valdyn: not found |
| 09:27.51 | valdyn | Qy: what's not found? |
| 09:27.58 | bronaugh | then install the kernel module. |
| 09:28.05 | Qy | bronaugh: I did. |
| 09:28.24 | bronaugh | check the perms in Section "DRM" |
| 09:28.34 | bronaugh | make sure they're 0666 or whatever. |
| 09:28.39 | valdyn | Qy: "bash: modprobe: command not found" or "FATAL: Module fglrx not found." |
| 09:28.40 | Qy | bronaugh: I do not have a DRM section in my Xorg.conf |
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| 09:28.52 | Qy | valdyn: the FATAL one (yes I'm root ;) ) |
| 09:28.53 | bronaugh | err, Section "DRI" |
| 09:29.11 | Qy | bronaugh: yep, Mode 0666 |
| 09:29.15 | bronaugh | http://rafb.net/paste/results/gL8Hr371.html |
| 09:29.19 | bronaugh | yeah. ok. |
| 09:29.37 | bronaugh | and you have a Radeon 8500 or greater card? |
| 09:29.40 | valdyn | Qy: there's a package called 'fglrx-driver-source' or 'fglrx-kernel-source' needs to be installed, then run after installing module-assistant 'm-a a-i fglrx' |
| 09:29.45 | Qy | i'll pastebin my Xorg.conf. Yes it's a Radeon 9600 pro |
| 09:29.49 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 09:29.59 | bronaugh | is the module listed in lsmod? :P |
| 09:29.59 | Qy | valdyn: nope, that's history. |
| 09:30.03 | Qy | bronaugh: negative |
| 09:30.17 | bronaugh | it's not? then it's not loaded, and that's why your DRM is not working. |
| 09:30.27 | valdyn | Qy: your fglrx module doesnt exist. Why would above be history? |
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| 09:30.46 | Qy | valdyn: according to ATi, there is no need of a kernel source, only kernel headers |
| 09:31.10 | valdyn | Qy: read again, i said nothing about kernel source |
| 09:31.12 | Qy | valdyn: I do not have both of the packages you specified |
| 09:31.13 | bronaugh | valdyn: yeah, but you still have to build the module against them, and put it in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 09:31.21 | bronaugh | err, Qy |
| 09:31.21 | solar_ant | qy : open source drivers are better for radeon |
| 09:31.31 | Qy | solar_ant: even for the Radeon 9600 pro? |
| 09:31.34 | bronaugh | solar_ant: not really for what he has. |
| 09:31.41 | bronaugh | R300 was sketchy last I heard. |
| 09:31.49 | solar_ant | radeon 9600 .... 300 |
| 09:32.00 | solar_ant | mine is R200 |
| 09:32.02 | solar_ant | 9200 |
| 09:32.13 | bronaugh | yeah. if he actually wants to use 3D, he should use fglrx |
| 09:32.37 | solar_ant | bronaugh: not really .... it will just boost his fps |
| 09:32.57 | bronaugh | ... and probably not crash as often, and have fewer rendering glitches, etc. |
| 09:33.11 | bronaugh | oh, and maybe support vertex and fragment shaders, if he cares about those. |
| 09:33.23 | solar_ant | bronaugh: :) |
| 09:33.46 | solar_ant | Qy: composite must be 0 |
| 09:33.46 | bronaugh | ok, I'm about to do something sick and twisted with kubuntu |
| 09:33.58 | bronaugh | use it to chroot into the kubuntu net installer. |
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| 09:34.26 | solar_ant | Qy: also for dri problems , soft linking some libarries helped |
| 09:34.29 | Qy | k rebooting for kernel-src |
| 09:34.41 | solar_ant | dont remember exactly but something like ligGLdri.so |
| 09:35.59 | solars | hi, I have deb ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib in my source list, but gpdf is not found, can anyone give me a hint ? |
| 09:36.05 | bronaugh | oh, so wrong. such a wrong idea. |
| 09:36.15 | valdyn | !info gpdf sid |
| 09:36.26 | valdyn | solars: evince is probably much better |
| 09:36.30 | bronaugh | maybe I'll netboot my desktop off my laptop over wifi. |
| 09:36.42 | valdyn | solars: any reason why you need specifically gpdf? |
| 09:37.01 | peterS | bronaugh: does your bios support netbooting off the 802.11 card? |
| 09:37.14 | solars | valdyn, no reason :) I don't knkow evince, but it looks good I'll install it :) |
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| 09:37.25 | bronaugh | peterS: doesn't need to; AP connected to desktop. |
| 09:37.27 | peterS | that seems like an odd feature, but maybe there's actual demand for it |
| 09:37.29 | solars | valdyn, but shouldn't gpdf be in the archives ? |
| 09:37.34 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 09:37.41 | bronaugh | peterS: I believe there are a few wifi cards that do support that. |
| 09:37.45 | bronaugh | but yeah. |
| 09:37.45 | valdyn | solars: im not sure, might be replaced in gnome by evince |
| 09:38.02 | solars | valdyn, that could be the reason .. well I'll try it, thank you :) |
| 09:38.50 | bronaugh | I don't mean to -constantly- bash kubuntu's desktop CD, but man -- it's useless. |
| 09:39.04 | bronaugh | for anything other than -- well -- it's intended purpose |
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| 09:39.54 | bronaugh | shiver. I have a ubuntu desktop ISO too. |
| 09:39.56 | bronaugh | shiver. |
| 09:40.09 | peterS | I have an ice crusher appliance in my kitchen. it's quite useless for anything other than its intended purpose, which is crushing ice. fortunately I only paid about US$3 for it. |
| 09:40.44 | bronaugh | yeah; but this is software, not appliances. |
| 09:40.54 | bronaugh | everything's supposed to be a swiss army chainsaw. |
| 09:41.06 | peterS | so what you're saying is, kubuntu doesn't include emacs? |
| 09:41.28 | bronaugh | on the LiveCD, neither emacs nor xemacs. |
| 09:41.29 | bronaugh | heathens. |
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| 09:43.46 | bronaugh | heh, and it includes Windows software. how cute. |
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| 09:44.17 | Shadowpillar | I'm currently trying to build a source package that came with debianization |
| 09:44.31 | Shadowpillar | already has everything set up |
| 09:44.44 | Shadowpillar | however, the changelog in debian/ is changelog.in |
| 09:45.07 | Shadowpillar | and there are things in the file that need something to turn it into a real changelog file |
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| 09:46.39 | Shadowpillar | and none of that is mentioned in the debian maintainer's guild |
| 09:46.40 | Shadowpillar | er |
| 09:46.42 | Shadowpillar | guide* |
| 09:47.13 | valdyn | Shadowpillar: doesnt dpkg-buildpackage build the thing including changelog? |
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| 09:47.44 | Shadowpillar | valdyn: ah, I never knew that |
| 09:47.51 | Shadowpillar | I meant the new maintainer's guide |
| 09:47.58 | jatt | why is xfsound (the xfce sound manager) not available in debian? |
| 09:48.10 | Shadowpillar | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
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| 09:48.58 | Shadowpillar | that's the problem |
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| 09:49.41 | sybec | How do I get a list of all currently installed programs? |
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| 09:52.46 | SpComb | is it just me or is ftp.de.debian.org a tad bit slow? |
| 09:52.57 | valdyn | SpComb: slow right now |
| 09:53.11 | valdyn | SpComb: that mirror isnt very reliable |
| 09:53.34 | SpComb | what's a good alternative for germany? |
| 09:53.49 | Kevin` | look through the mirrors list and try them :) |
| 09:53.52 | valdyn | SpComb: no idea, i use us.debian.org alternatively |
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| 09:56.50 | action09 | sybec dpkg -l |
| 09:57.27 | buu | sybec: find -perm /o+x / |
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| 09:58.22 | sime | is there a tool for xorg that automatically generates xorg.conf files ? |
| 09:58.27 | sybec | buu: that's not what I'm looking for |
| 09:58.29 | sybec | action09: thanks |
| 09:58.34 | buu | =[ |
| 09:58.35 | valdyn | !drxx sime |
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| 09:58.36 | dpkg | sime: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:58.37 | sybec | Xorg -configure |
| 09:58.38 | buu | Way more fun though. |
| 09:58.57 | bronaugh | buu: w00tt! |
| 09:59.00 | bronaugh | what's up? |
| 09:59.41 | action09 | sybec man dpkg to understand what the ii or rc chars are |
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| 10:01.17 | sybec | thanks |
| 10:01.17 | buu | bronaugh: Um. Nothing? |
| 10:01.39 | bronaugh | heh, ok. |
| 10:01.54 | buu | Bed time. DEfinitely bed time. |
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| 10:07.14 | tioan | welche rechte braucht ein myslq user um andere myslq user anlegne zu dürfen? |
| 10:07.19 | tioan | mit create und drop kann er ja nur datnebanken erstllen udn löschen |
| 10:09.07 | centrx | dont know |
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| 10:11.54 | jatt | !de |
| 10:11.54 | dpkg | de is probably Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 10:16.34 | ben_h | just dropped the latest etch in a Parallels VM - wow, very nice |
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| 10:28.48 | aronofsky | hi , i try t compil bery on debian unstable and i got the following, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL , i searched but i dont find what i should install, can anyone tell me ? |
| 10:29.25 | azeem | aronofsky: the GL development libraries |
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| 10:30.12 | aronofsky | azeem, yeah i get that but what is the packake , I searched for mesa stuff but i cant find the exact package |
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| 10:36.40 | bernie | I would like remove lprng pgk and I have make a test with apt-get -s remove lprng, and it show me it would like to remove lsb-core lsb-cxx .. , can I remove this pkg ? man of lsb say "lsb - Linux Standard Base support for Debian" |
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| 10:39.06 | FuriousRage | is there some console tool to test my servers avalible bandwidth? |
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| 10:40.14 | azeem | aronofsky: libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 10:40.35 | Vich | I know I shouldn't ask this here, but has anyone successfully compiled audacious-plugins with scrobbler? |
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| 10:40.59 | bernie | FuriousRage, you would like see your current upload/download ? |
| 10:41.10 | aronofsky | azeem, already got it |
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| 10:42.00 | Shadowpillar | who here has built bzflag before |
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| 10:46.41 | utrrrongeeb | How can I invoke GCJ to compile Java source to binary (ELF)? |
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| 10:52.18 | FuriousRage | bernie: no, i wanna test and see how much up/down my server can do, cuz with proftpd over lan, i can only get like 7-800kB/sec (both sides got 100mbit nic, but connected thru 10mbit hub) |
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| 10:53.19 | nachos | hey |
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| 10:53.27 | nachos | Is intel big endian or little endian? |
| 10:53.29 | bernie | FuriousRage : iperf |
| 10:53.50 | chemaja | howcome vmware server is such a PITA to install on Sid? |
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| 10:54.10 | chemaja | keeps complaining about config.h, and that i need to compile a kernel with local sources, etc. |
| 10:54.15 | Quibus | hi all |
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| 10:54.20 | chemaja | i don't *want* to compile a kernel |
| 10:54.26 | chemaja | is this like a kpkg-helper type thing? |
| 10:54.36 | aronofsky | does anyone have any information about status of beryl package integration in apt ? |
| 10:54.37 | Quibus | Is it just me who now has no antialiased fonts in Qt program menus anymore after Qt 4.2 got in testing? |
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| 10:56.04 | FuriousRage | bernie: thanks, looks just what i need ;> |
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| 11:04.50 | jabka | i have a small prob in c two diffrent condition are being run : ( if (a%b == 0){} )and (if(a>b && a%b!=0);{}) |
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| 11:06.25 | bronaugh | and? |
| 11:06.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:06.56 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:12.09 | cydork | woot!! installed compiz on etch :) |
| 11:12.21 | tarzeau | cydork: screenshot |
| 11:12.34 | Quibus | hi tarzeau |
| 11:12.40 | cydork | tarzeau, sure.. :P |
| 11:12.56 | tarzeau | hello qui |
| 11:12.57 | aronofsky | cydork, its for me youre sayin that ? |
| 11:13.11 | cydork | aronofsky, i am saying that :) |
| 11:13.35 | Quibus | Does compiz work with the r300 driver on a radeon 9700? |
| 11:13.38 | aronofsky | cydork, ok lol sorry |
| 11:13.53 | tarzeau | does compiz work with wmaker? |
| 11:14.17 | aronofsky | cydork, about that , can you tell why i got /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL when i try to compile beryl wheras i got libgl1-mesa-dev installed ? 2 days im fighting with that and I cant find anything |
| 11:14.21 | jcwong | cydork: any good guide for installing compiz on sid? |
| 11:14.21 | cydork | tarzeau, nope.. atm only gnome, kde and xfce.. |
| 11:14.50 | aronofsky | jcwong, no need to compile , compiz is packaged |
| 11:14.59 | CharminTheMoose | how do i find from what package does a particular program come from? |
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| 11:15.09 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: dpkg -S /the/file |
| 11:15.09 | cydork | tarzeau, but e18 will support have support for aiglx.. |
| 11:15.16 | aronofsky | CharminTheMoose, apt-file |
| 11:15.18 | tarzeau | cydork: i don't care. i want wmaker |
| 11:15.19 | nile | tarzeau, compiz is a window manage + compositing manager in one, so I think not. |
| 11:15.30 | tarzeau | nile: then i don't want it. it sucks |
| 11:15.39 | jcwong | aronofsky: any good tutorial for sid? |
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| 11:16.36 | cydork | tarzeau, na screenshots are not worth it .. may be i can create flv :P |
| 11:16.51 | tarzeau | cydork: xvidcap ? |
| 11:17.07 | aronofsky | jcwong, you really aint got nothing special to do , juste install package and add a few lines in yout xorg.conf ... the real issue is to have you grahpics card configured right with the right driver to have 3d support anbled |
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| 11:17.55 | nile | tarzeau, for what it's worth, I used to be big into Enlightenment and Ion before I played with Beryl and fell in love |
| 11:17.59 | cydork | tarzeau, it's not there .. |
| 11:18.04 | CharminTheMoose | i mean what debian package it comes from |
| 11:18.14 | CharminTheMoose | i'm looking for the login one |
| 11:18.26 | cydork | CharminTheMoose, dpkg -S filename |
| 11:18.37 | Quibus | aptitude search compiz |
| 11:18.42 | jcwong | aronofsky: can I start compiz without gnome environment interface? |
| 11:18.48 | aronofsky | nile, how did you install beryl ? |
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| 11:19.15 | aronofsky | jcwong, yep , kde , xfce ... severals DE are supportde |
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| 11:20.20 | nile | aronofsky, Xorg 7.1 is in Etch and has support for AIGLX, so I enabled that in xorg.conf. Beryl packages aren't in testing at the moment, so I'm using experimental packages for Ubuntu |
| 11:21.00 | jcwong | aronofsky: because currently i'm running e from cvs, just wondering compiz will work with others wm or envr. |
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| 11:21.03 | ESPOiG | is there a way to set the terminal window size when you run it |
| 11:21.26 | aronofsky | nile, ok , and you aint got no problem with that ? |
| 11:21.31 | cahoot | ESPOi dm?G, using any |
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| 11:21.50 | cahoot | ESPOi doh - using kde or gnome? |
| 11:21.55 | aronofsky | jcwong, dont know about enlightment , ask on compiz irc or forum |
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| 11:22.06 | ESPOiG | cahoot: wat? |
| 11:22.14 | jcwong | aronofsky: np, thanks. |
| 11:22.23 | nile | aronofsky, it can be less-than-perfect at times, but it runs *amazingly* well on my laptop's Radeon 7500 |
| 11:22.30 | ESPOiG | my bad |
| 11:22.32 | ESPOiG | gnome |
| 11:22.41 | ESPOiG | other wise i would of said konsole |
| 11:22.44 | aronofsky | nile, did you ever try to compile beryl ? |
| 11:22.50 | ESPOiG | soz |
| 11:23.03 | nile | aronofsky, no |
| 11:23.05 | centrx | 701 total |
| 11:23.59 | aronofsky | nile, because im tryin since yesterday and its a real pain , I got /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL when i try to compile wheras i got libgl1-mesa-dev installed , i really dont get it and i cant find any help |
| 11:24.32 | nile | jcwong, Compiz/Beryl *are* window managers. you can't run it with Enlightenment just as you can't run Metacity with Enlightenment or Window Maker with Black Box |
| 11:24.58 | nile | aronofsky, sorry, I'm not a developer. would you like a link to the instructions I followed? |
| 11:25.17 | Quibus | aronofsky: do you also have the non-dev package installed? |
| 11:25.57 | aronofsky | Quibus, yes i I do , something must be missing but I really dont get what it is |
| 11:26.01 | aronofsky | nile, yes thx |
| 11:26.35 | Quibus | libgl1-mesa-dev: usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 11:26.39 | Quibus | so that looks good idd |
| 11:26.46 | nile | aronofsky, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Debian/AIGLX |
| 11:26.56 | nile | aronofsky, feel free to private message me if you need further help |
| 11:27.28 | cahoot | ESPOiG, look if you can find an app called gnome-terminal-launcher |
| 11:27.35 | ESPOiG | k |
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| 11:28.14 | aronofsky | Quibus, yeah thats why im kinda lost here |
| 11:29.15 | aronofsky | Quibus, actually i just loked and i aint go no usr/lib/libGL.so , only usr/lib/libGL.so.1 ... |
| 11:29.18 | Quibus | IF any of you who run testing run qtconfig or assistant, does it give antialiased fonts in the menus? |
| 11:29.54 | Quibus | aronofsky: maybe it's diverted by some fglrx/nvidia package or something? |
| 11:30.13 | aronofsky | what do you mean diverted |
| 11:30.37 | Quibus | packages can 'override' files from other packages, with dpkg-divert in their scripts |
| 11:31.01 | yassine | anyone of you guys using java on an amd64 box ? |
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| 11:31.03 | Quibus | do you have nvidia or fglrx drivers installed? |
| 11:31.13 | aronofsky | Quibus, yep |
| 11:31.19 | aronofsky | nvidia |
| 11:32.03 | SpeedyG | yassine: 'using' java ? |
| 11:32.12 | SpeedyG | i'v got it setup, but thats all atm |
| 11:32.22 | yassine | SpeedyG, let me explain the issue straight okay |
| 11:32.27 | yassine | im having a strange issue here (Debian Etch on a amd64 machine) i downloaded the jdk-1_5_0_09-linux-amd64.bin which runs smoothly on the first machine but on the second machine it drops this errors : ./jdk-1_5_0_09-linux-amd64.bin: line 396: ./install.sfx.12975: cannot execute binary file and skips even that both box are 100% identic |
| 11:32.27 | SpeedyG | k |
| 11:32.57 | FuriousRage | anyone got experience with System Health Monitor? my graphs turn up blank |
| 11:33.07 | yassine | SpeedyG, im using exactly the same packages |
| 11:33.08 | xingu | yassine: why not just use the sun-java5-* packages? |
| 11:33.44 | yassine | xingu, i need to use that one since i need differnt jdk per user |
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| 11:35.02 | bonez41 | I recently ssh'd to my office, from home here, and the prompr for my passphrase, I accidently hit ENTER..which then presented a > Password: prompt...I entered my password and logged on. Is that how ssh is supposed to work, if one declines entering the passphrase? |
| 11:35.34 | xingu | yassine: has the installer left the install.sfx.12975 file lying around after failing? |
| 11:35.49 | SpeedyG | bonez41: perhaps passwordless logins are enabled |
| 11:35.55 | SpeedyG | security failure, but possible |
| 11:35.56 | yassine | xingu, let me see |
| 11:36.33 | yassine | xingu, no nothing is left at all |
| 11:36.39 | aronofsky | Quibus, maybe nvidia-glx package , I shoud maybe uninstall it dans try to compile again |
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| 11:38.03 | Hoxzer | I want totally impartial answer. Which one of these distors would allow me to build lighest system from base install: slack or debian? |
| 11:38.17 | xingu | yassine: your possible failures are: out of disk space during extraction - or the filesystem that the extracted file was extracted to is mounted or permissioned noexec to you - or you are missing a shared library that it needs to start |
| 11:38.54 | yassine | xingu, what would you suggest to find out where the problem hides ? |
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| 11:39.56 | xingu | yassine: what I'd suggest - is look for a way to extract the install.sfx file only, not install it; then see if your fs' are full (df), that you can run it, and that the shared libraries it needs are installed (ldd) |
| 11:41.02 | xingu | yassine: not sure about the exact mechanics of extracting the install.sfx file; perhaps the installer has flags to let you do that, perhaps you could pause the install at the copyright message, or something similarly creative |
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| 11:41.23 | yassine | xingu, okay thanks the last Option is not the problem since this is a fresh install with 160 G but now ill try to unzip /untar the bin file and do what you suggest |
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| 11:42.52 | bonez41 | SpeedyG, ok..perhaps...just seems weird....the whole reason I have the passphrase set up, is to prevent my sending my password, in the wild, for anyone to snag in transit... |
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| 11:44.10 | yassine | xingu, if you can here is the complete error message : http://rafb.net/paste/results/XeFSEW33.html |
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| 11:45.02 | xingu | yassine: it does look like a space or permissions problem |
| 11:45.11 | blondie | !why is x not in testing? |
| 11:45.12 | dpkg | x is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=x |
| 11:45.30 | aronofsky | I tried to purge nvidia-glx package and i got : dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed ... can anyone tell me what i should do ? |
| 11:45.35 | freach` | anyone got a nice howto for generating self signed ssl cert with multiple common names ? |
| 11:45.51 | lhz | where is package info kept (which file) ? |
| 11:47.02 | yassine | xingu, if i runs it as a root i get this error : http://rafb.net/paste/results/mRAIq387.html |
| 11:47.03 | Hoxzer | when etch is going to stable |
| 11:47.04 | Hoxzer | ? |
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| 11:48.21 | Hoxzer | :D heheh CharminTheMoose tthat is one thing that cna kill a man without actually touching him |
| 11:48.51 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 11:49.04 | Quibus | aronofsky: which nvidia packages have you installed? |
| 11:49.12 | CharminTheMoose | I'm trying to compile login with a custom login incorrect message |
| 11:49.16 | Quibus | maybe you need nvidia-glx-dev |
| 11:49.35 | aronofsky | Quibus, debian packages ones from experimental |
| 11:49.40 | Quibus | ow |
| 11:49.48 | Quibus | why not the normal ones? |
| 11:50.01 | aronofsky | Quibus, what do you mean normal ones ? |
| 11:50.10 | Quibus | ones from testing etc. |
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| 11:50.43 | sime | can you use dict dictionaries without setting up dictd ? |
| 11:50.47 | aronofsky | Quibus, because you need nvidia beta drivers to enable aiglx |
| 11:50.58 | Quibus | ah |
| 11:51.17 | Quibus | I thought it was supported in the regular ones |
| 11:51.29 | Quibus | but still: maybe you need nvidia-glx-dev |
| 11:52.01 | aronofsky | Quibus, i try |
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| 11:52.31 | aronofsky | Quibus, thats it it works , thx |
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| 11:52.50 | Quibus | nvidia-glx-dev: usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 11:52.56 | Quibus | apt-file is a very useful tool |
| 11:53.22 | aronofsky | Quibus, shame on me |
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| 11:53.54 | itchi | sime: You not especially need the dictd |
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| 11:56.22 | sime | itchi, so the client knows how to interact with the files directly ? |
| 11:56.48 | itchi | sime: You need an internet connection |
| 11:57.09 | sime | itchi, I want a local copy of a certain dictionary |
| 11:57.11 | itchi | sime: Just install dict, then dict hacker for example |
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| 11:57.57 | sime | itchi, I know how the client works, i want to set myself up with when I'm not online |
| 11:58.15 | itchi | sime: That i not know, i think you then need the dictd |
| 11:58.51 | sime | itchi, cool. Seems the only way |
| 11:58.53 | CharminTheMoose | ok,so i've just installed login from source and i'm about to install it,is there anything i'd need to do to my system,so that for some reason login won't mysteriously lock me out of my system? |
| 11:59.13 | itchi | sime: I dunno, i need to test it also ;-) |
| 11:59.23 | CharminTheMoose | *i've built it from source |
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| 11:59.36 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, i'm configuring a dhcp3-server on a debian gateway with iptable as firewall. I'v got a problem after the DCHPOFFER of the dhcp-server, iptables said me : |
| 11:59.37 | Fahrenheit | Nov 18 12:53:03 localhost kernel: [iptables DROP]IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0b:5d:52:f0:c1:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 |
| 11:59.37 | Fahrenheit | What may I change in my dhcp server config or in iptable config ? |
| 12:00.30 | asg | Fahrenheit: you need to let UDP/67 outbound out |
| 12:00.41 | asg | Fahrenheit: consult #iptables also |
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| 12:01.19 | El|V\oNKo | hello |
| 12:01.36 | Fahrenheit | so it will look like that : iptables -A OUTPUT -p UDP --dport 68 -j ACCEPT ? |
| 12:01.50 | Fahrenheit | sorry --dport 67 |
| 12:02.14 | asg | Fahrenheit: actually, it's probably -A INPUT. |
| 12:02.20 | tarzeau | fucking shit. why does windows not have some fucking tool to download 100 files from a http directory listing |
| 12:02.50 | nile | tarzeau, cygwin+wget works |
| 12:02.51 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: it has, but not by default |
| 12:02.52 | asg | tarzeau: using wget would violate their patents? |
| 12:02.59 | tarzeau | nile: i need lftp |
| 12:03.11 | tarzeau | asg: i never know the wget command for doing that |
| 12:03.22 | tarzeau | mc |
| 12:03.27 | asg | tarzeau: it can do all sorts of things |
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| 12:03.36 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: http-grabber or someth would do it in winblows |
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| 12:03.56 | tarzeau | i just wanted LFTP |
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| 12:04.05 | tarzeau | because you just do lftp url, mget * |
| 12:04.33 | El|V\oNKo | can someone help me with a little xorg issue, im running etch, i was using 2.6.15 which had a working X using "nv", i installed the kernel stuff and ran the nvidia installer, i can boot into 2.6.17 if i run startx i will see the nvidia splash screen but X will die saying "no core pointer" in 2.6.15, i can get in to X but i cant use the nvidia driver. I would like to use 2.6.17 w/ my mouse and nvidia driver. any ideas? |
| 12:04.37 | CharminTheMoose | ok,so i've just built login from source and i'm about to install it,is there anything i'd need to do to my system,so that for some reason login won't mysteriously lock me out of my system? |
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| 12:06.04 | El|V\oNKo | things i have done -- checked the xorg.conf, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver..., everything looked fine in the .conf like i said X sees my mouse if i boot into 2.6.15 |
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| 12:13.25 | xk_ | weird |
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| 12:14.11 | sebazzz | sacatunga! :) |
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| 12:15.04 | arriesp | hi |
| 12:15.16 | sebazzz | holaz! |
| 12:15.17 | CharminTheMoose | ok,so i've just built login from source and i'm about to install it,is there anything i'd need to do to my system,so that for some reason login won't mysteriously lock me out of my system? |
| 12:15.30 | arriesp | i downloaded the iso, but it not works |
| 12:15.39 | arriesp | what i should do? |
| 12:15.50 | Quibus | arriesp: you need to be more verbose |
| 12:15.50 | arriesp | what iso should i download? |
| 12:16.00 | arriesp | sorry i'm spanish :/ |
| 12:16.08 | Anarka | CharminTheMoose login from source ? why ? |
| 12:16.09 | Quibus | arriesp: what did you download exactly and what went wrong? |
| 12:16.10 | sebazzz | xD |
| 12:16.31 | CharminTheMoose | Anarka,so i an have my own custom 'login incorrect' message |
| 12:16.31 | arriesp | the 2 dvd's iso |
| 12:16.35 | arriesp | from debian.org |
| 12:16.37 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos i'm crazy |
| 12:16.43 | sebazzz | :o |
| 12:17.10 | arriesp | and the k3b say me that it isn't an ISO 9660 |
| 12:17.29 | Quibus | arriesp: hehe, well, it's a DVD... |
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| 12:17.41 | arriesp | yes |
| 12:17.48 | Quibus | I'm not sure those are ISO 9660 |
| 12:17.56 | Quibus | but I don't know, actually |
| 12:18.01 | arriesp | ok |
| 12:18.21 | arriesp | well, the problem is mine, of the iso, or of the k3b? |
| 12:18.21 | Quibus | arriesp: if you have a good network connection, try the net install cd-rom |
| 12:18.28 | arriesp | 1mb |
| 12:18.38 | arriesp | 1day... |
| 12:19.17 | xk | Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved! |
| 12:19.47 | xk | any pointers for the above issue? |
| 12:20.11 | arriesp | arriesp@ubuntu:~/debian/dvd1$ file debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:20.11 | arriesp | debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso: data |
| 12:20.15 | arriesp | is it ok? |
| 12:20.19 | Quibus | xk: google |
| 12:20.55 | xk | Quibus: hmmm |
| 12:21.14 | xk | Quibus: I hit this problem before. but I don't remember how I solved it. |
| 12:21.28 | xk | unfortunately google hits don't reveal how to solve it. |
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| 12:21.32 | bkhl | Does anyone know if there's a way to get around the five time limit of changing the region of my DVD reader? |
| 12:21.43 | xk | *curses ATI driver* |
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| 12:22.24 | xk | (EE) fglrx(0): Chipset 0x5960 is not recognized |
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| 12:22.57 | arriesp | i need help please |
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| 12:24.13 | xk | that's just fscking great. ati decided to remove radeon 92xx support from the driver. |
| 12:24.15 | Quibus | xk: that might be the problem |
| 12:24.26 | Quibus | xk: ah yeah, you didn't know? :) Just use the open source driver |
| 12:24.45 | itchi | arriesp: That is not the dvd you have downloaded? |
| 12:24.46 | xk | that was my biggest mistake buying that card to replace my matrox |
| 12:25.01 | Quibus | xk: nah, matrox is far worse, IMHO |
| 12:25.09 | itchi | arriesp: You need to burn that iso as an image file. Not drag and drop it on the cd |
| 12:25.24 | xk | Quibus: no way. it worked beautifully. |
| 12:25.36 | itchi | arriesp: Use you k3b ? |
| 12:25.40 | xk | the ati driver/hardware setup has so many weird issues with it... it's substandard |
| 12:25.44 | arriesp | yes |
| 12:25.52 | xk | matrox setup was perfect |
| 12:25.55 | Quibus | xk: well, I have had quite some trouble with it and forget completely about 3D or even GLX |
| 12:26.21 | Quibus | xk: just use the 'radeon' driver. Works quite good |
| 12:26.22 | xk | the worse issue is that after 10 days uptime, the ati driver decides to lock up the machine :((( |
| 12:26.27 | xk | Quibus: ok |
| 12:26.28 | arriesp | y burnt it like a image dvd iso |
| 12:26.34 | xk | but no 3d :( |
| 12:26.42 | Quibus | xk: the mtx driver was far worse |
| 12:26.44 | xk | not that it worked that wlel. |
| 12:26.45 | Quibus | xk: it does have 3d |
| 12:26.55 | itchi | arriesp: When you look to the content of that dvd, see you all the files? |
| 12:27.03 | arriesp | nop |
| 12:27.13 | itchi | arriesp: What see you? |
| 12:27.13 | Quibus | arriesp: is the checksum correctd? |
| 12:27.20 | xk | Quibus: where? i only see software accelerated 3d |
| 12:27.20 | arriesp | md5? |
| 12:27.29 | itchi | arriesp: k3b does it |
| 12:27.44 | Quibus | xk: if you're running testing it should have 3d, with Xorg 7.1 |
| 12:27.49 | arriesp | directly it show me a window to burn the dvd |
| 12:27.55 | xk | i'm using good old sarge |
| 12:28.03 | arriesp | i haven't seen the content of the dvd |
| 12:28.03 | Quibus | ah |
| 12:28.10 | arriesp | yes |
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| 12:28.18 | arriesp | the md5 is right |
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| 12:28.29 | xk | Quibus: I guess I'll wait til testing becomes stable, or freeze ;) |
| 12:28.46 | Quibus | xk: you could do that |
| 12:28.51 | resiak | !ops Enum is an on-join spambot |
| 12:28.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: resiak complains about: Enum is an on-join spambot |
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| 12:29.34 | resiak | xk: thanks. |
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| 12:29.36 | xk | ;) |
| 12:29.45 | itchi | arriesp: Is it working right now? |
| 12:29.48 | Quibus | xk: but, you ran the ati proprietary stuff already, so you seem to like the edge :P |
| 12:29.56 | arriesp | no |
| 12:30.33 | itchi | arriesp: You have select "Burn DVD ISI image ..." in the first screen of k3b ? |
| 12:30.40 | xk | Quibus: hehehehehe |
| 12:30.44 | arriesp | yes |
| 12:30.45 | arriesp | i do it |
| 12:30.55 | itchi | arriesp: You do or you did? |
| 12:31.04 | arriesp | twice |
| 12:31.05 | arriesp | x |
| 12:31.06 | xk | I'm really really disappointed with that ati card... and the ati driver |
| 12:31.07 | arriesp | xD |
| 12:31.19 | Quibus | xk: wait until you run etch :-) |
| 12:31.20 | xk | it feels slower (3d wise) than my 6 year old matrox card! |
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| 12:31.30 | itchi | arriesp: Some time when we burn somethings, it goes directly to the trash can, badly burned |
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| 12:32.16 | arriesp | i don't understan what you want say |
| 12:32.17 | arriesp | :/ |
| 12:32.33 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:32.43 | Eulex | xk, tried the open source ati driver? |
| 12:32.44 | itchi | arriesp: Some time some cd/dvd are defect, so when you have burn it, it not work, so it may to the trash |
| 12:33.00 | xk | Eulex: yeah... the open source driver works beaut... but the older one doesn't support 3d. |
| 12:33.08 | arriesp | yes |
| 12:33.10 | xk | but I prefer that than the obscure issues the proprietary driver has. |
| 12:33.12 | arriesp | but |
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| 12:33.25 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 12:33.27 | arriesp | in the software, it don't work |
| 12:33.28 | arriesp | :/ |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:33.44 | itchi | abrotman: Already drunken? |
| 12:33.49 | xk | Eulex: load == average number of files opened, it's not indicative of cpu usage. |
| 12:33.58 | xk | it's more related to IO load than CPU load. |
| 12:33.58 | itchi | abrotman: :-p |
| 12:34.00 | resiak | abrotman: i am here!! |
| 12:34.05 | abrotman | it's 730am |
| 12:34.07 | abrotman | resiak: why? |
| 12:34.13 | Eulex | xk, oh. |
| 12:34.13 | resiak | abrotman: I wanted to speak to the bot :) |
| 12:34.17 | itchi | abrotman: yeah, you need beer! ;-) |
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| 12:34.29 | abrotman | resiak: #debian-bots |
| 12:34.30 | xk | Eulex: run ps, look for processes left in the D state. |
| 12:34.36 | resiak | abrotman: yeah, I know. |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | ohok |
| 12:34.44 | itchi | arriesp: I have not been understand you |
| 12:34.45 | abrotman | resiak: then you got sucked in! |
| 12:34.49 | arriesp | sorry |
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| 12:35.02 | itchi | arriesp: Mean you that there's an problem with k3b?? |
| 12:35.03 | arriesp | when you do click on the dvd isi |
| 12:35.03 | xk | Eulex: ps -ax | grep D |
| 12:35.08 | arriesp | yes xD |
| 12:35.20 | muh2000 | what is the right order? sarge(old) sid(newer) etch(comingsoon) ? |
| 12:35.58 | arriesp | when it put md5, the code |
| 12:35.58 | Quibus | itchi: he can't burn the image, as k3b complains it's not an ISO 9660 image |
| 12:35.58 | abrotman | !tell muh2000 about releases |
| 12:35.58 | itchi | arriesp: Never got an trouble with it |
| 12:35.58 | Eulex | xk, thank you |
| 12:35.58 | arriesp | up of it, the k3b show me that the ISI is not valid |
| 12:35.58 | arriesp | yes |
| 12:35.58 | itchi | Quibus: hhhm, he choice the bad option i think |
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| 12:35.58 | arriesp | but i had 2 |
| 12:35.59 | arriesp | jaj |
| 12:35.59 | muh2000 | thnx :) |
| 12:35.59 | Quibus | muh2000: sarge (current stable), etch (testing, next stable), sid (always unstable) |
| 12:36.16 | muh2000 | ok thnx |
| 12:36.27 | resiak | Quibus: don't forget lenny! |
| 12:36.36 | Quibus | lenny? |
| 12:36.42 | Ronin | Quibus: next testing |
| 12:36.43 | abrotman | lenny is now etch+1 |
| 12:36.45 | Quibus | !tell me about releases |
| 12:36.47 | Quibus | ah! |
| 12:36.48 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 12:36.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. |
| 12:36.58 | arriesp | should i install another program to burn cd and dvds¿? |
| 12:37.08 | Quibus | When was that decided? |
| 12:37.12 | itchi | arriesp: nope |
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| 12:37.14 | abrotman | a bit ago |
| 12:37.20 | abrotman | wtf is lenny in the movie anyways ? |
| 12:37.23 | Quibus | well, news to me :-) |
| 12:37.34 | arriesp | what can i do? |
| 12:37.47 | abrotman | did you ask #debian-kde ? |
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| 12:38.24 | Quibus | ah, I see it now on Debian Times |
| 12:38.31 | Quibus | 2 days ago |
| 12:38.32 | itchi | arriesp: How big is the file? |
| 12:39.02 | jatt | In xfce, where can I set the autohide option for a panel? |
| 12:39.03 | resiak | abrotman: the binoculars |
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| 12:39.12 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. totally forgot |
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| 12:39.26 | arriesp | 4,4683,991,040 byte |
| 12:39.28 | arriesp | s |
| 12:39.40 | itchi | jatt: Click on an panel with the right mouse button, properties and select the pannel you want, then select auto hidden |
| 12:40.01 | itchi | arriesp: Strange |
| 12:40.12 | arriesp | why? |
| 12:40.18 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, (iv got some problem with a dhcp network, when I plug in an RJ45 cable into a network card, he said me : eth0 : found link beat, is there any special thing to configure ? |
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| 12:40.18 | itchi | arriesp: It should do it :-/ |
| 12:40.26 | arriesp | yes, that is the problem |
| 12:40.27 | itchi | arriesp: On which distro are you actually? |
| 12:40.32 | arriesp | mm |
| 12:40.34 | arriesp | kubuntu |
| 12:40.35 | arriesp | xD |
| 12:40.35 | itchi | arriesp: Maybe take anothe burn tool? |
| 12:40.39 | me_here | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.42 | me_here | lol |
| 12:40.43 | arriesp | yes |
| 12:40.50 | arriesp | but i don't no one |
| 12:40.58 | me_here | yeah yeah big bingos on their way done it so good ... |
| 12:41.04 | xk | Fahrenheit: pump -i eth0 ? |
| 12:41.16 | Fahrenheit | what is the command pump ? |
| 12:41.21 | xk | dhcp client |
| 12:42.00 | jatt | itchi: the option is not shown. I am using debian unstable version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 RC1) |
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| 12:42.15 | Fahrenheit | i will try with pump, thx |
| 12:42.19 | itchi | jatt: You see panel 1 and 2 ? |
| 12:42.36 | itchi | jatt: In these properties i mean |
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| 12:42.49 | arriesp | the name of the file is debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:42.52 | kynes | anyone ever used antLR here? |
| 12:43.02 | kynes | on debian or another distribution |
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| 12:43.37 | Eulex | hmm. I found one process and one kernel thread that were in D state: khubd and /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson |
| 12:44.17 | jatt | itchi: I found what is wrong with the help of someone in the #xfce channel. The panel must have the option "Fixed Position" instead of "Freely Moveable" activated. With Fixed Position, the autohide feature can be enabled. |
| 12:44.39 | abrotman | arriesp: that's not a DVD iso |
| 12:44.39 | xk | damn i feel stupid; i don't know how to use a spreadsheet. |
| 12:44.48 | itchi | jatt: That's good to know ;-) |
| 12:44.49 | arriesp | what is it? |
| 12:45.21 | abrotman | where'd you get it from ? |
| 12:45.26 | CharminTheMoose | is there anything bad that can happen to login if you install it from source? |
| 12:45.28 | Eulex | and lsusb hangs. so, there seems like the usb subsystem in the kernel is pretty much b0rked. any way other than rebooting to fix it? |
| 12:45.31 | itchi | arriesp: do ls -lh debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:45.44 | itchi | arriesp: Im not well wit bites :-) |
| 12:45.57 | arriesp | 4.4 gb |
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| 12:46.04 | itchi | myea |
| 12:46.04 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: why would you ? |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | arriesp: ignore me |
| 12:46.29 | abrotman | who the heck named the DVD and CD isos the same |
| 12:46.40 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:um so i can add custom message |
| 12:46.42 | arriesp | -rw-r--r-- 1 arriesp arriesp 4,4G 2006-11-01 19:04 debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:46.47 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, who! i take his beer! |
| 12:46.56 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: message ? |
| 12:47.00 | arriesp | abrotman: from debian.org |
| 12:47.02 | CharminTheMoose | yeah |
| 12:47.02 | abrotman | itchi: you're cut off |
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| 12:47.09 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah :-p |
| 12:47.09 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: like .. when you login ? |
| 12:47.25 | CharminTheMoose | instead of 'login incorrect' coming up i've added another message |
| 12:47.38 | abrotman | what "type it correctly next time idiot" ? |
| 12:47.43 | itchi | abrotman: He tried to burn it, looks like k3b complain about somethings and he get it not burned right |
| 12:47.44 | CharminTheMoose | 'ah,ah,ah,you didn't say the magic word' |
| 12:47.54 | CharminTheMoose | pretty much |
| 12:47.56 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: yes ... you'll be responsible for your own security issues |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | burn it slower? (use DVDRW for this) |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | arriesp: why are you trying to get the DVDs anyways ? |
| 12:48.29 | Quibus | abrotman: it's not the burning itself, k3b just refuses to burn it as it says it's not an ISO |
| 12:48.42 | arriesp | because i want to install debian |
| 12:48.48 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:indeed |
| 12:48.53 | itchi | It's UDF, no?? |
| 12:49.00 | abrotman | arriesp: yes .. but the netinst is way easier |
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| 12:49.23 | arriesp | ein? |
| 12:49.29 | arriesp | what is netinst? |
| 12:49.30 | abrotman | !d-i arriesp |
| 12:49.31 | dpkg | arriesp, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:50.03 | itchi | To be honnest, never have try to burn an DVD image |
| 12:50.45 | arriesp | :/ |
| 12:51.06 | abrotman | the DVDs are only useful if your installation target has no internet |
| 12:51.20 | abrotman | well .. IMO anyways |
| 12:51.52 | Quibus | I agree |
| 12:51.57 | Quibus | netinst rules |
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| 12:52.22 | itchi | arriesp: Mostly, all users install it from the netinst cd, and then download the needed stuff with apt (was goes automatically) |
| 12:52.27 | SpeedyG | gheh, netinst wouldnt recognise my intel1Gbit nic, fullinstall did :/ |
| 12:52.36 | arriesp | ok |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | they use the same kernels |
| 12:52.55 | arriesp | thanks |
| 12:52.55 | arriesp | but |
| 12:52.56 | itchi | arriesp: It's near 150MB |
| 12:53.03 | Quibus | SpeedyG: are you sure that was both stable? Or was one testing? |
| 12:53.09 | sqrxz | howcome "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" is available for free online? here http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 12:53.12 | arriesp | i have downloaded the dvd, why it not works? |
| 12:53.17 | SpeedyG | Quibus: it was both etch |
| 12:53.21 | abrotman | sqrxz: because they're nice people ? |
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| 12:53.32 | sqrxz | very nice! |
| 12:53.44 | asg | sqrxz: it's very very old though (covers slink) |
| 12:53.48 | abrotman | SpeedyG: could have been different builds .. they generate netinst daily .. CD ISOs weekly .. IIRC |
| 12:53.56 | asg | sqrxz: there are other open books at oreilly.com/openbook |
| 12:54.06 | SpeedyG | abrotman: that can be the issue |
| 12:54.23 | abrotman | SpeedyG: you could ask the #debian-boot people if you can still reproduce it |
| 12:54.32 | abrotman | also .. the netinsts were broken for about two weeks |
| 12:54.45 | itchi | arriesp: Maybe there are some bit's that are bytes?? In other words somethings downloaded that are corrupted |
| 12:55.22 | SpeedyG | but ehm. if it works on the iso, and not on the netinst.. the netinst is newer so it should work technically spoken right ? |
| 12:55.23 | itchi | arriesp: Just some sad chances |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | SpeedyG: they broke the netinst for beta3 while they were preparing for RC1 |
| 12:55.57 | arriesp | :/ |
| 12:55.58 | SpeedyG | oh |
| 12:55.59 | arriesp | ok |
| 12:56.00 | sqrxz | asg: thank you |
| 12:56.04 | SpeedyG | no clue when I downloaded it tho |
| 12:56.07 | asg | sqrxz: you're welcome |
| 12:56.07 | abrotman | so if you got a beta3 netinst .. but a weekly CD .. could make a big difference |
| 12:56.07 | arriesp | i'm going to download it |
| 12:56.07 | arriesp | xD |
| 12:56.39 | abrotman | SpeedyG: doesn't matter ... you got it installed in the end :) |
| 12:56.47 | SpeedyG | yeah :) |
| 12:56.53 | itchi | sqrxz: Because that's an very old book of him. There's many others of him, he did some great work |
| 12:56.55 | SpeedyG | and etch runs smooth as hell on my desktop :) |
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| 12:57.06 | SpeedyG | only thing that gives me performance issues is vnc |
| 12:57.12 | bkhl | I'm using the pre-built 2.6 kernel packages. |
| 12:57.25 | bkhl | Should I need something extra for SCSI emulation? |
| 12:57.33 | abrotman | for burning ? |
| 12:57.35 | abrotman | cd burnning |
| 12:57.56 | bkhl | I need to upgrade my DVD firmware. But it should be the same thing. |
| 12:58.01 | admin123 | scsi emulation is old and is only being used in 2.4 old series |
| 12:58.07 | admin123 | (for burning) |
| 12:58.07 | bkhl | Oh. |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | there's no more scsi emu needed for most burners |
| 12:58.20 | bkhl | OK. |
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| 12:58.31 | abrotman | if you try really hard .. you can probably make it work |
| 12:58.34 | bkhl | Anyway, this is what I get from the firmware utility: |
| 12:58.35 | bkhl | / sgioOpen.open: No such file or directory |
| 12:58.35 | bkhl | Error opening SCSI device |
| 12:58.36 | arriesp | the netinst cd have 112.4mb?¿ |
| 12:58.43 | abrotman | roughly .. yes |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | !kernel of instability |
| 12:58.50 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 12:58.50 | bkhl | abrotman: any other ideas? |
| 12:58.57 | xk | in openoffice spreadsheet, how do you copy a column full of values.... I only want to copy the result of the formula as a string, not as a formula. |
| 12:59.01 | itchi | arriesp: Yes |
| 12:59.02 | abrotman | bkhl: yeah .. stop using scsi emu |
| 12:59.03 | admin123 | bkhl, doesn't your kernel-image provide drivers? |
| 12:59.08 | abrotman | that wasn't the one i wanted |
| 12:59.12 | abrotman | !worked in 2.4 |
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| 12:59.13 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | wheee! :) |
| 12:59.19 | arriesp | (O) |
| 12:59.23 | arriesp | thanks |
| 12:59.25 | bkhl | abrotman: I'm not using it. |
| 12:59.40 | itchi | greycat: Have you many money? |
| 12:59.42 | abrotman | bkhl: what's the actual problem ? |
| 12:59.43 | bkhl | abrotman: whichever way I can get this utility (necflash) to work, I'm happy... |
| 13:00.01 | bkhl | abrotman: I need to run this utility to flash the firmware on my DVD drive. |
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| 13:00.17 | xingu | !worked in 2.0 |
| 13:00.22 | admin123 | bkhl, http://binflash.cdfreaks.com/ |
| 13:00.30 | xingu | bah |
| 13:00.47 | admin123 | and bkhl http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=141888 |
| 13:00.48 | bkhl | admin123: that's what I'm using, yes... |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | bkhl: don't you create a boot disc and do it that way ? |
| 13:01.09 | bkhl | abrotman: I was hoping I wouldn't have to. |
| 13:01.15 | admin123 | the third post bkhl |
| 13:01.25 | bkhl | OK. |
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| 13:01.41 | admin123 | bkhl, i meant fifth |
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| 13:02.37 | abrotman | !be a counting barbie |
| 13:02.37 | dpkg | Aww, counting is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 13:03.00 | bkhl | admin123: I'm doing the same thing, and I have the same drive, but with -scan I get "No supported devices found" |
| 13:03.01 | admin123 | abrotman, you really need to go out-doors more. |
| 13:03.14 | abrotman | admin123: that's what sunday is for |
| 13:03.14 | bkhl | admin123: then the same error about SCSI device. |
| 13:03.19 | Quibus | Lenny is a pair of wind-up binoculars, voiced by Joe Ranft |
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| 13:03.33 | xk | !be installer barbie |
| 13:03.33 | dpkg | installer is hard! |
| 13:03.56 | bkhl | admin123: no, sorry. |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | admin123: i have to go help a coworker move in a bit .. and tomorrow is 5 mile hike i think .. good enough ? |
| 13:04.19 | bkhl | 'necflash -dump -v /home/bkhl/tmp/old.bin /dev/hdc' gives me this: 'Drivetype could not be determined' |
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| 13:04.37 | admin123 | bkhl, is /dev/hdc your actual drive? |
| 13:05.00 | abrotman | dmesg can be useful here :) |
| 13:05.06 | bkhl | /dev/hdc: block special (22/0) |
| 13:05.11 | bkhl | And that's the one, yes. |
| 13:05.41 | sqrxz | Firefox is pretty slow in doing things, does that have to do not having installed latest nvidia drivers, or is GTK just slow? |
| 13:05.49 | admin123 | if linux doesn't reconize your hw then you might have a problem. |
| 13:05.55 | admin123 | (elsewhere) |
| 13:06.07 | bkhl | I guess. |
| 13:06.16 | xingu | !be a multiarch barbie |
| 13:06.16 | dpkg | Aww, multiarch is HARD! Let's go shopping, xingu |
| 13:06.17 | bkhl | Maybe I should go for the boot disk solution... |
| 13:06.24 | Quibus | IF any of you who run testing run qtconfig or assistant, does it give antialiased fonts in the menus? |
| 13:06.34 | abrotman | sqrxz: no .. that's just firefox |
| 13:06.37 | Quibus | Please try that for me |
| 13:07.43 | sqrxz | abrotman: do you use firefox or smth else? |
| 13:07.51 | abrotman | i use opera |
| 13:07.55 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 13:08.06 | sqrxz | ok |
| 13:08.08 | sqrxz | howcome? |
| 13:08.12 | sqrxz | faster? |
| 13:08.14 | abrotman | because i like it |
| 13:09.04 | zskdan__ | hi guys!!! |
| 13:09.12 | itchi | Yeah, opera have an nice kiosk mode btw |
| 13:09.40 | bkhl | abrotman: were you talking about making a DOS boot disk? |
| 13:09.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:09.53 | sqrxz | If I install programs that are not .deb, how hard will it be to maintain that program update, remove etc? |
| 13:09.59 | abrotman | !stow |
| 13:10.00 | dpkg | stow is probably Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 13:10.13 | bkhl | abrotman: I don't have DOS. |
| 13:10.28 | abrotman | bkhl: so? you have dosemu! :) |
| 13:10.40 | abrotman | and bootdisk.com has many boot disks |
| 13:10.44 | xingu | abrotman: dosbox is pretty groovy these days |
| 13:10.54 | bkhl | abrotman: I found that, but those were all .exe files. |
| 13:11.19 | abrotman | bkhl: i think they're actually self extracting zip .. try a gunzip blah.exe |
| 13:11.30 | bkhl | Ah. |
| 13:11.35 | abrotman | xingu: i haven't used a dos-ish system in linux in a long time |
| 13:12.24 | bkhl | abrotman: I should be able to put it on a CD, right? |
| 13:12.29 | bkhl | (No floppy drive.) |
| 13:12.43 | abrotman | oh .. nfc .. i've never tried that |
| 13:13.14 | xingu | um |
| 13:13.15 | bkhl | I guess we'll see... |
| 13:13.30 | xingu | can anyone else see the flaw in firmware patching a cd drive from a boot cd? |
| 13:14.06 | abrotman | xingu: what you say? |
| 13:14.16 | abrotman | xingu: is this like replacing the engine on a running car ? |
| 13:14.19 | bkhl | xingu: DOS requires the boot media to be mounted? |
| 13:15.48 | bkhl | I'm starting to think I should just pull the fscking drive and borrow a Windows machine to do it on. |
| 13:15.48 | beardy | Of course you can boot from cd. |
| 13:15.48 | bkhl | OK. |
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| 13:15.48 | bkhl | So... |
| 13:16.02 | bkhl | The utility says it's for DOS32, what versions of DOS would that restrict me to? |
| 13:16.26 | bkhl | bootdisk.com has a bunch of Windows 95 and so forth disks, but I don't know if those allows me to boot into DOS. |
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| 13:17.16 | beardy | DOS32? |
| 13:17.17 | blondie | bkhl: they do |
| 13:17.21 | bkhl | OK. |
| 13:17.48 | bkhl | beardy: I imagine that would be 32 bit DOS. |
| 13:18.33 | beardy | bkhl: Probably.. but why would a firmware flasher need that, oh well.. |
| 13:19.29 | bkhl | beardy: beyond me too. |
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| 13:21.44 | scanf | DJGPP is 32 bit DOS |
| 13:21.54 | scanf | bgasically |
| 13:21.58 | scanf | providing |
| 13:22.11 | scanf | 32 bit DOS extender to the 16 bit stack |
| 13:22.20 | scanf | like DPMI |
| 13:22.33 | scanf | Windoze runs a built in DPMI |
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| 13:23.03 | beardy | Again, why does a firmware flasher need that? |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | need DOS ? |
| 13:23.07 | beardy | ANd, I know that. |
| 13:23.15 | beardy | No, 32-bit. |
| 13:23.33 | abrotman | the utility for flashing was compiled agianst 32bit dos ? |
| 13:23.34 | scanf | depends on th eplatform it was built on |
| 13:24.11 | beardy | abrotman: Of course, but why, the thing can be done without 32 bit. |
| 13:24.19 | scanf | compile "hello world".c on MSVC and check the dependency environment that would have ;) |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | beardy: DOS has been 32bit for a while |
| 13:24.34 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 13:25.04 | scanf | beardy: ask the devoeloper why he did what he did |
| 13:26.06 | beardy | scanf: If I knew who it was I might, but I wont. |
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| 13:31.31 | zskdan | abrotman: hi , my eth1 is not recognized on my new kernel 2.6.18 , any idea ?? |
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| 13:32.07 | abrotman | did you compile it yourself ? |
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| 13:32.44 | zskdan | abrotman ; yes i build my own .deb with make-kpkg |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | you probably missed a driver that you need |
| 13:33.12 | abrotman | or the modules for dhcp support |
| 13:33.22 | scanf | what kind of adapter is it? |
| 13:33.49 | zskdan | no ifconfig give it as eth1_temp |
| 13:34.18 | scanf | heh. sounds like udev snafu |
| 13:34.35 | zskdan | lspci : 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) |
| 13:34.50 | vook | hmm, so fuser isn't finding the pid for exim. Interesting. anyone know why that would occur? |
| 13:35.21 | cahoot | vook: try pgrep |
| 13:35.26 | bkhl | This won't work. Because the new firmware won't fit on the boot floppy... |
| 13:36.27 | bkhl | Not that it's a floppy, but the boot sector of the CD has to be that size, apparently. |
| 13:36.46 | vook | cahoot: well (cool, that's a command I don't use often), I'm just curious why fuser failed though. |
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| 13:41.21 | yassine | anyone here can help me to understand the strace message please : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dg3ZIC67.html |
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| 13:42.43 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:43.03 | asg | yassine: what does 'file ./java' print? |
| 13:43.05 | asg | stoned: morning |
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| 13:43.25 | rumpl | yacc, what does file java gives? |
| 13:43.27 | yassine | asg, bash: ./java: cannot execute binary file |
| 13:43.37 | asg | yassine: no, type 'file ./java' |
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| 13:43.47 | yassine | okay |
| 13:43.48 | CharminTheMoose | where can i get that Linux 'We suck more' background with tux sucking a carton of juice called windows? |
| 13:43.48 | stoned | general factoid, Yassin is known as the heart of the Quran (one of the monothiest books) |
| 13:44.03 | asg | CharminTheMoose: google |
| 13:44.07 | yassine | asg : ./java: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped |
| 13:44.08 | azeem | stoned: move that elsewhere |
| 13:44.19 | stoned | azeem, move what? |
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| 13:44.23 | asg | yassine: are you running a 64 bit amd system? |
| 13:44.29 | yassine | asg yes |
| 13:44.32 | azeem | stoned: random observations about people |
| 13:44.35 | stoned | azeem, it was a simple fact, not like I'm goiing to continue on and on about it |
| 13:44.43 | azeem | ok |
| 13:44.52 | asg | yassine: hmmm, odd. Perhaps the #debian-amd64 people know |
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| 13:45.05 | yassine | okay thanks for the tipp asg |
| 13:45.09 | asg | you're welcome |
| 13:45.15 | bonez41 | How do I resolve this >>> Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: Could not create INET socket on 127.0.0.1:783: Address already in use (IO::Socket::INET: Address already in use) |
| 13:45.17 | azeem | stoned: actually, I didn't see you were reffering to yassine and that you were just randomly stating facts here, so sorry |
| 13:45.25 | azeem | s/that/thought/ |
| 13:45.27 | stoned | azeem, not a problem buddy |
| 13:45.31 | asg | bonez41: find out what is already using port 783 |
| 13:45.31 | loke- | When I boot 2.6.18 right after i installed it, it hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." and after several minutes it enters busybox.. any ideas? http://pastebin.com/827318 |
| 13:45.33 | stoned | :) |
| 13:46.57 | arriesp | ciao |
| 13:47.12 | stoned | here is a stupid question. If I have a vncserver running on a monitorless box, is it possible to somehow access the same application over ssh -X, or if it is started under the vncserver ppid, it is inaccessible on anything else |
| 13:47.22 | bonez41 | asg, ah, of course..how do I discover that? |
| 13:47.23 | yassine | stoned, thats 100% right azeem i did not knew it :) |
| 13:47.31 | asg | bonez41: fuser or lsof can tell you |
| 13:47.38 | stoned | that is, without restarting the app |
| 13:47.59 | stoned | basically I don't want the app killed under vnc, but I don't know, I don't think its possible, but then again I might not know enough |
| 13:48.01 | stoned | anyone? |
| 13:48.26 | asg | bueller, bueller? |
| 13:48.36 | stoned | eh |
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| 13:52.28 | bonez41 | asg, lsof shows nothing using 783 |
| 13:53.33 | asg | bonez41: does 'netstat' show anything? |
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| 13:54.12 | stoned | netstat -a|grep 783 |
| 13:55.26 | bonez41 | scott@fyrenice:~$ netstat -a|grep 783 unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 10783 /tmp/orbit-scott/linc-1298-0-210ab5487b467 |
| 13:55.37 | Malagmyr | Can anyone here tell me if the outer "shell" of a ps/2 plug is actually used, or if it's just the pins? |
| 13:55.43 | bonez41 | but that's not 783, but 10783, right? |
| 13:55.51 | asg | bonez41: right, that's irrelevant |
| 13:56.01 | asg | bonez41: out of curiosity, are you starting the daemon as root? |
| 13:56.35 | bonez41 | asg, yeah, I was invoking /etc/init.d/spamassassin start as root |
| 13:56.45 | asg | hmm |
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| 13:58.44 | bonez41 | asg, I am thinking I should just tell it to reboot, and then come back in a minute to see if spamassassin will start then...I am betting it will |
| 13:59.34 | asg | maybe but it would be better to find out why if possible. |
| 14:00.00 | bonez41 | asg, certainly |
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| 14:05.30 | simon23 | hello, where does mysql store its tables ? need that to make a backup. |
| 14:05.45 | abrotman | /var/lib/mysql/ or whereever you told it to |
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| 14:05.54 | simon23 | or can someone tell me the command to make table dumps(exports) ? |
| 14:06.01 | simon23 | oh - thanks. |
| 14:06.23 | blondie | mysqldump is what you want |
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| 14:07.00 | simon23 | cool - i thought it would be a command inside the mysql "shell" |
| 14:07.03 | simon23 | thanks again. |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | mysql.com has a nice html manual |
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| 14:14.09 | itchi | abrotman: Which shell use you? |
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| 14:14.33 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:14.37 | abrotman | shell ? |
| 14:14.38 | abrotman | bash |
| 14:14.52 | abrotman | i don't use many shell features .. i've used bash,ksh, csh |
| 14:14.52 | itchi | abrotman: Not zsh or whatever?? |
| 14:14.54 | stoned | abrotman, go back into bed |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | stoned: i've been up for hours |
| 14:15.06 | aronofsky | Hi , y try to compile and i got the following : No rule to make target `/usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h', needed by `glcontextmodes.o' ... i dont find what i should install to resolve that ? |
| 14:15.08 | stoned | abrotman, hmm |
| 14:15.31 | abrotman | stoned: up before the sun.. yay! |
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| 14:15.58 | stoned | abrotman, same here. No matter when I go to bed, I'm usually always up around 6:30-7:00am |
| 14:16.03 | itchi | abrotman: I just asked so, im just a bit looking to the diffs |
| 14:16.05 | aronofsky | apt-file search stubs-32.h doesnt give anything |
| 14:16.52 | abrotman | stoned: if i'm lucky .. i can sleep til 730! :) |
| 14:17.04 | abrotman | itchi: lots of people like zsh |
| 14:17.49 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah that remote file autocompletion trought ssh ..., yeah looks usefull that feature |
| 14:18.02 | stoned | hehe |
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| 14:18.38 | stoned | I didn't wake up until 11 yesterday, I just made up some bullshit story for my manager when I got to work, it probably worked, since he didnt' ask any questions |
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| 14:19.15 | LinuxHelp | How do I increase the default size of /dev/shm? Its currently on 505M but I want more like 600M |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | sysctl.conf ? |
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| 14:20.47 | jatt | I added myself to a group with |
| 14:20.47 | jatt | sudo adduser myself plugdev |
| 14:20.47 | jatt | but when I type id I get: |
| 14:20.47 | jatt | uid=1000(myuser) gid=1000(myuser) groups=29(audio),1000(myuser),1001(admin) |
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| 14:21.14 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:21.14 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:21.21 | jatt | how do I restart my groups without restarting the machine? |
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| 14:21.35 | asg | jatt: logout and log back in |
| 14:21.36 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, sudo sysctl -A, gives me a lot of different vars.. could you be more specific for debian testing? |
| 14:21.36 | mahognyy | do you need xinetd to use talk? |
| 14:21.45 | asg | jatt: or su - <user> |
| 14:22.06 | abrotman | mahognyy: no |
| 14:22.14 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: shmmax ? maybe ? |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: not 100% sure .. ask google |
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| 14:22.53 | LinuxHelp | kernel.shmmax = 33554432 |
| 14:22.56 | mahognyy | abrotman, talk and talkd? |
| 14:23.02 | LinuxHelp | That doesnt seem like the current 505M |
| 14:23.24 | simon23 | hi - i lost my root passwd for my mysql DB.... what can i do to retrieve it ? are there any tools available or can i simply reset it ? |
| 14:23.36 | abrotman | !forgot mysql root password |
| 14:23.36 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 14:24.30 | simon23 | thanks |
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| 14:25.50 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, I'm searching for "resize /dev/shm debian" and I'm not really getting anything relating to /dev/shm |
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| 14:27.22 | xingu | isn't linux shm dynamically sized? |
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| 14:28.13 | LinuxHelp | xingu, my Qemu tells me that I need to increase its size, if I want to run an guest os with 512MB ram |
| 14:28.30 | itchi | A bash script, should that work with zsh? And vice versa? |
| 14:28.43 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: changed in /etc/fstab |
| 14:28.53 | asg | itchi: provided it's relatively portable, yes |
| 14:29.00 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, my fstab says nothing about it currently |
| 14:29.05 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not anymore |
| 14:29.06 | abrotman | damn it |
| 14:29.21 | xingu | LinuxHelp: add more swap |
| 14:29.36 | LinuxHelp | Swap: 2149 7 2141 |
| 14:29.46 | LinuxHelp | where the 7 is used |
| 14:29.46 | itchi | asg: Gona tryout zsh there, reading the manual of it. |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: mount -o remount,size=5GB /dev/shm ? |
| 14:30.24 | abrotman | that's what i see from google .. which seems goofy |
| 14:30.40 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, yes I know I can do that, I'm looking for a config file rather, I dont want to put that /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:30.51 | xingu | LinuxHelp: mount opts field in /etc/fstab |
| 14:30.57 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: if that works .. put it in /etc/fstab ? |
| 14:31.20 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, you dont think there will be anything to override /etc/fstab? |
| 14:31.39 | LinuxHelp | During boot I mean |
| 14:31.40 | abrotman | only one way to find out :) |
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| 14:32.42 | xingu | LinuxHelp: etc/default/tmpfs is what you're probably after |
| 14:32.50 | abrotman | or that! |
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| 14:33.32 | abrotman | xingu: that's cheating! |
| 14:33.42 | LinuxHelp | lol |
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| 14:34.03 | LinuxHelp | OR, I could recompile my kernel.. |
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| 14:34.18 | buscon | Hi, what's a good tool to convert wav file to mp3? |
| 14:34.29 | LinuxHelp | Thats probably something abrotman would do, so I'd better not. |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | no .. not even close |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | there has to be a way to set it. .. i'd find the way |
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| 14:36.12 | deema | anybody here use islsm? |
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| 14:36.29 | itchi | heh, why is debian using Bash and not foo? |
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| 14:37.35 | tonyb2006 | whats foo? |
| 14:37.50 | itchi | tonyb2006: Whatever, take zsh for example |
| 14:37.52 | Eulex | a meta-syntactic variable |
| 14:37.54 | Eulex | !foo |
| 14:37.55 | dpkg | hmm... foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 14:38.14 | oOGneaOo | what's wrong with bash? |
| 14:38.34 | itchi | Euhm, what's wrong with zsh for example? |
| 14:38.42 | tonyb2006 | bash is...bash..ey |
| 14:38.43 | asg | itchi: it wasn't around when Debian started. |
| 14:38.48 | itchi | heh, it's just an question, no flame ;-) |
| 14:38.51 | xingu | um |
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| 14:39.05 | oOGneaOo | no no, you're the only who slammed bash first, please justify that. |
| 14:39.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, What do you find better in zsh that in bash ? |
| 14:39.24 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Slammed?? me?? |
| 14:39.32 | oOGneaOo | ( 09:25 itchi ) heh, why is debian using Bash and not foo? |
| 14:39.51 | itchi | Ox0F0-0FF: I not yet know, i looking to the differents one that are available |
| 14:40.08 | oOGneaOo | that's like saying "why does debian not have a default GUI instead of console?" |
| 14:40.31 | itchi | oOGneaOo: What's wrong with that, it's an simple question, no flame, no war or whatever |
| 14:40.41 | abrotman | !info bash sid |
| 14:40.43 | oOGneaOo | there is so flame, there is no war |
| 14:40.44 | abrotman | !info zsh sid |
| 14:40.45 | dpkg | bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section shells, is required. Version: 3.1dfsg-7 (sid), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
| 14:40.52 | dpkg | zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.3.2-23 (sid), Packaged size: 2165 kB, Installed size: 6512 kB |
| 14:41.01 | itchi | oOGneaOo: I just ask _why_ debian have take that choice, like i like debian, i want to know |
| 14:41.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | itchi, One had to be default.. |
| 14:41.26 | Ox0F0-0FF | now the pure reasons... |
| 14:41.30 | tonyb2006 | everyone loves GNU |
| 14:41.39 | itchi | tonyb2006: Yeah :-p |
| 14:41.40 | oOGneaOo | itchi: and i'm asking you, if you're asking 'why', then you've obviously come up with a reason for something else to be better. |
| 14:41.58 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | "Who decides what is default in debian and why is this decided that way" would be a more appropriate question |
| 14:42.03 | itchi | oOGneaOo: remote autocompletion like i already told for example |
| 14:42.06 | Coke | itchi: afaik you can install and use any shell you like |
| 14:42.18 | itchi | oOGneaOo: That's what is noted on the first page of the manual of it |
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| 14:42.25 | oOGneaOo | itchi: sorry, still waiting on that first cup of coffee - didn't see that |
| 14:42.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | oOGneaOo, Please calm down, he only asked a question |
| 14:42.33 | itchi | Coke: Sure :-) |
| 14:42.42 | oOGneaOo | Ox0F0-0FF: i am quite calm. yo uare reading me wrong. :) |
| 14:43.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | I find you agressive.... Maybe my sensitivity is touchy today :P |
| 14:43.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 14:43.20 | itchi | Maybe, i had better not ask it here :-p |
| 14:43.20 | abrotman | fuck you all! |
| 14:43.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | sensibility I mean |
| 14:43.40 | asg | ... and the crowd goes silent |
| 14:43.41 | LinuxHelp | Well, just for future reference, abrotman and all: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1HoiTF93.html |
| 14:43.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | Who decides what is default in debian and why is this decided that way ? |
| 14:44.06 | blondie | god |
| 14:44.14 | itchi | blondie: You say it ;-) |
| 14:44.20 | oOGneaOo | Ox0F0-0FF: yeah, i'd definately say so - i'm into debate, not arguments... there's a difference, you know |
| 14:44.22 | sohmestra | blondie: which one? |
| 14:44.29 | blondie | actually |
| 14:44.32 | blondie | there aren't any gods :( |
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| 14:44.49 | sohmestra | darn. |
| 14:44.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | blondie, What about root ? |
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| 14:45.03 | Eulex | $DEITY then? |
| 14:45.04 | blondie | lolly |
| 14:45.13 | sohmestra | george bush. |
| 14:45.15 | blondie | $MYTHICAL_CREATURE |
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| 14:45.25 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: yeah .. but you changed it via fstab or the other file ? |
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| 14:46.09 | oOGneaOo | itchi: well, considering that bash has been around for such a long time and that it's quite functional and it does the job and the DD's have decided that it's the best default shell and it's also easy to build small for installation purposes... |
| 14:46.15 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/iCkvcy35.html |
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| 14:46.34 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: okeedokee .. good to know! thanks |
| 14:46.49 | oOGneaOo | itchi: and i'm not going to scrollback for the remote bit - what's remote anyway? is that like remote desktop or something? just use ssh. |
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| 14:47.05 | itchi | oOGneaOo: That's an good answer on my question like i like ;-) |
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| 14:47.12 | deema | it OwNZ! |
| 14:47.17 | dmesg | hi dudes |
| 14:47.27 | dmesg | where is the next debian conf? |
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| 14:47.32 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Look like zsh have remote autocompletion or so, have not yet test it |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | !debconf7 |
| 14:47.38 | sohmestra | itchi: i hear that other shells arent suppored in debian |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | dmesg: wiki.debian.org/DebConf7 |
| 14:47.52 | oOGneaOo | itchi: i don't understand... remote autocompletion? |
| 14:47.54 | dmesg | ok :) |
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| 14:48.29 | sohmestra | s/suppored/supported/ |
| 14:48.34 | itchi | oOGneaOo: there is remoter autocompletion trought ssh, apparently, i not know more about it, just a bit interesting in the differents shell we have got here |
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| 14:48.42 | deema | where is the Windows channel? |
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| 14:48.47 | abrotman | #windows |
| 14:48.50 | itchi | deema: Look my ass |
| 14:48.57 | Mooi | is there any utility that can allow you to see all the connections of UDP sockets? |
| 14:48.57 | dmesg | deema #netbsd :P |
| 14:48.58 | oOGneaOo | deema: #windows, perhaps |
| 14:49.01 | sohmestra | deema /list *windows* |
| 14:49.13 | oOGneaOo | Mooi: netstat -nap |
| 14:49.17 | deema | :-) |
| 14:49.21 | h3sp4wn | zsh can autocomplete pretty much anything (aptitude / dpkg / irssi commands / Makefile targets) It is a much nicer interactive shell than bash in my opinion |
| 14:49.34 | Mooi | oOGneaOo: I cannot see the client IPs :/ |
| 14:49.53 | oOGneaOo | actually, bash has that capability, it's jut not native |
| 14:49.59 | Mooi | well?:/ |
| 14:50.11 | oOGneaOo | Mooi: are you root? |
| 14:50.17 | Mooi | yes |
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| 14:50.19 | Mooi | i can do that |
| 14:50.22 | itchi | h3sp4wn: I have read a bit about it, that's why i'm interesting to that :-) |
| 14:50.32 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: I have used it before (it just doesn't work as well or maybe requires alot configuration) |
| 14:50.36 | oOGneaOo | Mooi: apt-get install iptraf |
| 14:50.40 | Mooi | thanks |
| 14:50.44 | dmesg | edinburg is the next debianconf? |
| 14:50.50 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: true. |
| 14:50.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:50.51 | pumpkin0 | Mooi: you realise that UDP does not have connections ? |
| 14:51.05 | dmesg | a ok |
| 14:51.23 | Mooi | pumpkin0: im unsure :/ |
| 14:51.31 | xingu | the system I downloaded debian 0.91 on had zsh as a default shell |
| 14:51.59 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: honestly, i haven't used zsh as much.... i remember when there was a big fuss over using tcsh instead of bash and eventually i found that bash was better... i'm not sure that passing variables across a tcp link that isn't fully authenticated yet is very secure |
| 14:52.18 | pumpkin0 | Mooi: you cannot connect a UDP-socket to another PC. you can just listen for everything that comes in on port XY. Only TCP makes real connections. For complet traffic-dumps: install ethereal |
| 14:52.19 | xingu | so the "wasn't available" argument is riddled with holes too; personally I suspect it had more to do with imurdoch using bashisms in his scripting |
| 14:52.22 | xingu | but hey... |
| 14:52.26 | tonyb2006 | xingu: :O |
| 14:52.31 | Mooi | ooh ok :) |
| 14:52.47 | oOGneaOo | lol |
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| 14:54.33 | itchi | oOGneaOo: Yeah, you have make a point of it, now you say it |
| 14:55.43 | deema | why is everyone here so nice |
| 14:56.03 | itchi | deema: Because on #windows there are not! |
| 14:56.10 | pumpkin0 | deema: if you want not-so-nice: goto EFnet |
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| 14:56.29 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: Just simple stuff like tab completion for cd with zsh it is intelligent enough to realise that it is only worth tab completing directories (default configuration) |
| 14:56.45 | xingu | pumpkin0: s/ethereal/wireshark/ |
| 14:56.46 | LinuxHelp | deema, I'd say #ubuntu was the nicest |
| 14:56.50 | deema | so, anybody willing to help me with a wifi driver problem I just can't figure out? |
| 14:56.57 | me_here | shut up or i shan't be mean to you anymore |
| 14:57.00 | itchi | deema: You are here in an completely other spirit, nothings to do with the Windows world |
| 14:57.00 | abrotman | with Debian ? |
| 14:57.10 | abrotman | deema: did you try #wireless ? |
| 14:57.23 | Tallu | Hmm. thinking of buying a sparc solaris server.. anyone have experience on installing debian on one? Is is relatively painless? |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 14:57.31 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 14:57.50 | deema | !Windows |
| 14:57.51 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 14:57.56 | me_here | lol |
| 14:58.02 | Tallu | abrotman: cheers :) |
| 14:58.10 | abrotman | Tallu: it's on OFTC .. and not many people |
| 14:58.11 | deema | nobody wants to help? |
| 14:58.20 | abrotman | i installed debian on a sparc ... like 6-7 years ago |
| 14:58.23 | itchi | deema: Tell us which kind of card you have, look with lspci |
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| 14:58.30 | abrotman | deema: is it a problem with Debian ? |
| 14:58.46 | deema | well, i guess, hehe. I just can't get help anywhere (it's ubuntu) |
| 14:58.49 | Tallu | abrotman: yeah it's ok.. as long as it's doable, I'll be glad to give it a try.:) |
| 14:58.53 | itchi | deema: man |
| 14:58.57 | abrotman | deema: then you shuld ask #ubuntu |
| 14:59.05 | Tallu | abrotman: can't really resist getting a 1u sparc 500mhz for 160 euros, hehe |
| 14:59.10 | deema | what's it matter, man! I did ask |
| 14:59.14 | abrotman | Tallu: you bastard! |
| 14:59.19 | Tallu | abrotman: I know! |
| 14:59.22 | abrotman | deema: and we're telling you to ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:59.36 | deema | why? |
| 14:59.44 | Mooi | hm |
| 14:59.47 | abrotman | deema: because you're using ubuntu ? |
| 15:00.07 | deema | so |
| 15:00.12 | itchi | deema: /j #ubuntu |
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| 15:00.14 | deema | it's about wifi drivers |
| 15:00.14 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 15:00.15 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 15:00.27 | pumpkin0 | deema: ubunut and debian are like ford and dodge. ford will not service your dodge ... |
| 15:00.32 | gentgeen__ | deema ... you said you were using Ubuntu, so ask Ubuntu. You would not use #macosx to ask about a #bsd question now would you |
| 15:00.41 | Mooi | ok |
| 15:00.49 | deema | relax people, damn |
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| 15:00.59 | Mooi | iptraf does show packets being sent. But can I somehow just see the dump of IP addresses? |
| 15:01.07 | Mooi | without them being changed all the time../ |
| 15:01.08 | deema | so you guys aren't so nice anymore.. :( |
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| 15:01.14 | itchi | deema: Take some beer and also some relas |
| 15:01.26 | itchi | deema: Deppend of the beer |
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| 15:01.31 | nocti | #ubuntu has alot of newbies i think that's why :) still you should ask em deema, or try it's variants, forums, google perhaps? |
| 15:01.45 | deema | yes that's right |
| 15:01.56 | abrotman | deema: come on .. you're not using Debian .. you can ask ##linux, #ubuntu, and/or #wireless |
| 15:01.57 | gentgeen__ | deema it is not a matter of nice, it is a matter of wanting to help you get it fixed without breaking it more |
| 15:02.21 | Coke | Ubuntu is WAY better than Debian |
| 15:02.26 | deema | well I've been trying to get this for many hours! |
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| 15:02.37 | deema | would be nice if somebody helped me diagnose it |
| 15:02.41 | deema | at least find out what the problem is |
| 15:02.48 | deema | I can't figure out what the problem is |
| 15:03.15 | itchi | deema: At least if you had tell us which kind of card you have, we had been could redirect you to the rigt place, but like you not respond on it ... |
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| 15:03.26 | deema | there is no "right place" |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | deema: GO TO #ubuntu |
| 15:03.30 | Coke | deema: #ubuntu |
| 15:03.37 | deema | ass |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | tard |
| 15:03.48 | Coke | twat |
| 15:03.54 | me_here | lol |
| 15:04.03 | gentgeen__ | OK, going down hill guys (and gals) |
| 15:04.04 | Coke | isn't this a non-LOL zone? |
| 15:04.15 | itchi | Coke: yup |
| 15:04.26 | LinuxHelp | !lol |
| 15:04.26 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:04.39 | deema | what if you ARE an AOL user |
| 15:04.42 | itchi | woooaaa, that win user will hate us here :-/ |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | deema: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 15:05.23 | deema | yes |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | let's have it? |
| 15:05.36 | deema | you already have it |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | that's not debian related |
| 15:05.48 | deema | yes it is |
| 15:05.54 | abrotman | NO |
| 15:05.54 | deema | related it is |
| 15:06.07 | abrotman | you're asking about ubuntu |
| 15:06.12 | deema | no i'm not |
| 15:06.13 | itchi | deema: Ubuntu is _NOT_ debian |
| 15:06.16 | deema | I'm asking a bout wifi :) |
| 15:06.19 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 15:06.19 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | !ops deema needs help finding #ubuntu |
| 15:06.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: deema needs help finding #ubuntu |
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| 15:07.01 | Feax | how can I stop the SSH for a user ? |
| 15:07.12 | itchi | deema: Man 3th time, i talk about your kind of card, if you not want to go to #ubuntu, go to the #cardbrand |
| 15:07.20 | Coke | Feax: you can set SSH to only allow certain users and/or groups |
| 15:07.24 | deema | wusb54gv2 |
| 15:07.33 | Coke | Feax: in /etc/ssh/sshd_config you add AllowGroups, for instance |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | itchi: go to #wireless with him |
| 15:07.47 | Feax | Coke: but just for unauthorize a user ? |
| 15:07.48 | Coke | Feax: man sshd_config for more information |
| 15:07.54 | deema | nobody is every talking there |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | !afo |
| 15:08.03 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
| 15:08.03 | itchi | abrotman: NOOOOOOOO |
| 15:08.04 | Coke | Feax: if you add AllowGroups, only members of those groups can login |
| 15:08.11 | abrotman | itchi: then stop talking to him |
| 15:08.16 | itchi | abrotman: Yup |
| 15:08.18 | Feax | I want all except one |
| 15:08.22 | Coke | Feax: or you can us DenyUsers |
| 15:08.26 | Tallu | Feax: DenyUsers |
| 15:08.33 | Coke | Feax: or DenyGroups |
| 15:08.33 | Feax | okay |
| 15:08.38 | Coke | Feax: it's smarter to use groups |
| 15:08.54 | Coke | Feax: sooner or later you'll find out that there are TWO or more users you wish to deny SSH access. |
| 15:09.06 | Feax | no |
| 15:09.09 | Coke | Feax: man sshd_config and search for the keyword "deny" |
| 15:09.17 | Coke | Feax: still way nicer to use groups. |
| 15:09.27 | gentgeen__ | Interesting thought.... so should you add a group "nossh" and then add users to it as needed? |
| 15:09.37 | xingu | it's also smarter to use positive acl's - allowgroups the users that ought to be there |
| 15:09.39 | Coke | single-user actions is so ACL-bullshit like. it doesn't become a proper POSIX-system. :) |
| 15:10.02 | itchi | abrotman: I was still there too, btw ;-) |
| 15:10.09 | Coke | Feax: what xingu said is also true. |
| 15:10.12 | xingu | otherwise you find yourself playing whackamole as you discover more classes of people who oughtn't be there |
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| 15:10.15 | Coke | AllowGroupsi s the one I'd recommend. |
| 15:10.33 | Coke | xingu: he won't listen to reason |
| 15:10.34 | Coke | they never do |
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| 15:11.08 | gentgeen__ | Coke, and then they go write in their blog about how horrible and mean the Linux community is |
| 15:11.21 | Coke | Yes. They never take any advice. |
| 15:11.31 | Coke | When I was a noob I was like a sponge, sucking #debian dry of information. |
| 15:12.16 | Coke | ofcourse, these days I'm completely clueless once more. |
| 15:12.18 | gentgeen__ | I sat here for at least a year just reading before I made my first post..... |
| 15:12.20 | LinuxHelp | How do I retrieve the command line parameters for an already running program? Like it shows in gnome system monitor, but I cant copy and paste that... |
| 15:12.46 | itchi | LinuxHelp: ps |
| 15:13.12 | Coke | LinuxHelp: I think the -f switch will make ps more terse |
| 15:13.26 | dendrite | ps -f shows a tree. |
| 15:13.27 | Coke | but you'll have that nasty columns problem |
| 15:13.35 | pumpkin0 | LinuxHelp: "ps ax" |
| 15:13.36 | Coke | what? |
| 15:13.37 | Coke | not for me. |
| 15:13.42 | itchi | LinuxHelp: If you know what you search, you pipe the output to grep |
| 15:13.57 | LinuxHelp | ps ax does it for me, thx |
| 15:13.57 | Coke | ps -x shows everything for me. |
| 15:13.59 | dendrite | /proc/PID/cmdline |
| 15:14.07 | itchi | LinuxHelp: ps aux | grep foo |
| 15:14.26 | itchi | LinuxHelp: foo is what you want to get |
| 15:15.10 | LinuxHelp | that command line command is quite cool |
| 15:15.18 | Coke | Can I ask a question? My question is this: can someone help me? I need help with finding out whether or not I can ask a question and if someone could help me. |
| 15:15.25 | xingu | LinuxHelp: cat /proc/${pid}/cmdline |
| 15:15.52 | Coke | lol!!!111 |
| 15:16.15 | LinuxHelp | Is there a way I could replace ${pid} with like the process name? Like how pkill works |
| 15:16.18 | xingu | LinuxHelp: actually strings -a, it's C string format |
| 15:16.26 | xingu | LinuxHelp: pgrep? |
| 15:16.42 | LinuxHelp | Ah |
| 15:16.55 | asg | LinuxHelp: /proc/$(pgrep <name>)/cmdline |
| 15:17.00 | Feax | DenyUsers the_user, I add that in the ssh config ? |
| 15:17.11 | LinuxHelp | cat /proc/`pgrep rdesktop`/cmdline |
| 15:17.55 | xingu | LinuxHelp: ps -o args= `pgrep rdesktop` would probably work too |
| 15:18.06 | xingu | err |
| 15:18.13 | xingu | LinuxHelp: ps -o args= -p `pgrep rdesktop` |
| 15:18.25 | dendrite | LinuxHelp: How was the command run? |
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| 15:18.39 | LinuxHelp | It all works.. |
| 15:18.45 | plugwash | is there any information on which mirrors are fastest to update? |
| 15:18.51 | asg | plugwash: apt-spy |
| 15:18.53 | LinuxHelp | I personally like my one just above |
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| 15:19.06 | LinuxHelp | dendrite, not really sure what you mean |
| 15:19.11 | dendrite | LinuxHelp: If you ran it from a prompt, then there's history... |
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| 15:20.00 | plugwash | asg no i don't wan't to know which ones will give me the fastest downloads i wan't to know which ones will receive updates earliest |
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| 15:21.00 | LinuxHelp | rdesktop-g1272x967-b-xlan10.0.0.8-a24-uMisha Strong-pXXXXXXXX-TQEMUXP # The problem here, is that there are no spaces, strange? |
| 15:22.14 | asg | LinuxHelp: there's a space between Misha and Strong |
| 15:22.24 | Feax | where is the config file of proftpd ? |
| 15:22.26 | LinuxHelp | true |
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| 15:23.09 | xingu | LinuxHelp: as I said, it's in c strings format; try ps -o args= -p `pgrep rdesktop` |
| 15:23.16 | xingu | LinuxHelp: it amounts to the same thing |
| 15:23.47 | itchi | LinuxHelp: Is ps not easier? |
| 15:23.50 | LinuxHelp | xingu, ya |
| 15:24.02 | LinuxHelp | I'll go with ps |
| 15:24.29 | itchi | LinuxHelp: Depend of what you need to accomplish, but looks banzaai there |
| 15:24.57 | xingu | LinuxHelp: ps -o args= -p `pgrep -d, rdesktop` |
| 15:25.02 | xingu | LinuxHelp: for when you hit that problem too. |
| 15:25.25 | LinuxHelp | xingu, what problem? |
| 15:25.41 | xingu | the problem where multiple rdesktops are running |
| 15:25.51 | jatt | does mozilla thunderbird in debian support connection to an ms exchange server using a protocol different than imap? |
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| 15:28.09 | me_here | now ride silly ride |
| 15:28.32 | tonyb2006 | icedove! |
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| 15:29.30 | xjkx | i am studiying mysql in university, then i would like to install it here (home) on linux, there we have a textmode AND a graphical interface to use commands like select * from and so on, what should I install/ |
| 15:29.42 | xjkx | i want to have both, cmd line and graphical |
| 15:29.48 | tonyb2006 | uh |
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| 15:30.04 | radical_ | xjkx: mysql-server mysql-client mysql-query-browser |
| 15:30.08 | docelic | Folks, in /etc/nsswitch.conf, what is the difference between 'db' and 'files' ? |
| 15:30.35 | pumpkin0 | xjkx: start with the basic mysql-package. |
| 15:30.56 | asg | docelic: db are berkley db databases, files are just simple textfiles |
| 15:30.59 | xjkx | thanks guys |
| 15:31.09 | docelic | asg: hey man. long time no se.. thanks |
| 15:31.17 | asg | docelic: hiya, how are things? |
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| 15:33.01 | docelic | all fine here asg, thanks.. you? |
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| 15:39.17 | asg | docelic: pretty good. |
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| 15:39.57 | silasj | Hello |
| 15:40.06 | me_here | my dear pointers and pointees |
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| 15:41.59 | xingu | me_here: I prefer to be thought of as an unresolved link |
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| 15:42.25 | me_here | xingu: you do good :) |
| 15:42.59 | Eulex | I'd like to be a null-pointer |
| 15:43.09 | CharminTheMoose | I seem to be having a problem with my graphics card,when i start a game at 1024x786 it runs smoothly but everything is white and crappy,but when i run it at 1154x240 this graphics draw properaly but it's as laggy as hell.what could be causing this strange improbable behaviour? |
| 15:43.23 | me_here | Eulex: ewww you're asking too much |
| 15:44.08 | Eulex | me_here, I didn't imply that I would crash anything. I promise ;) |
| 15:44.31 | me_here | Eulex: me neither :) |
| 15:44.56 | me_here | Eulex: it's just the lwall i hit |
| 15:45.04 | me_here | lol |
| 15:45.12 | me_here | <- mad |
| 15:45.33 | Eulex | :) |
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| 15:45.46 | me_here | :) |
| 15:47.04 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: what driver and which gfx-card ? |
| 15:47.20 | riot | is there already a new name for "seamonkey"? |
| 15:47.41 | riot | i suggest "Gothra" (from "Mothra", obviously.. ;) |
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| 15:48.14 | CharminTheMoose | i810 driver and VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 15:48.21 | CharminTheMoose | i'm running xfree86 |
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| 15:50.17 | earthian | hello, is there any guy tool to manage apache webserver? |
| 15:50.27 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:do you know why it sucks? |
| 15:50.36 | Eulex | xterm? |
| 15:50.41 | asg | gedit? |
| 15:51.10 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: that looks like a non-DRI, non-HW opengl system. Upload xfreelog and config ... |
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| 15:51.28 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 15:51.35 | ribasushi | what exactly sets the DISPLAY variable once X starts? |
| 15:51.44 | earthian | !info scite |
| 15:51.46 | ribasushi | I can't find it anywhere in /etc/X11 |
| 15:51.51 | dpkg | scite: (Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.71-1 (sid), Packaged size: 780 kB, Installed size: 1924 kB |
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| 15:51.57 | CharminTheMoose | ok pumpkin0 |
| 15:52.05 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, wow, an 810e. I too have one in the old crappy compaq :) |
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| 15:53.34 | ribasushi | anyone? |
| 15:54.33 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: did xfree even have a real driver for those or is it all VESA ...? |
| 15:55.08 | Eulex | pumpkin0, I think the i810 driver supports it, but I haven't used it for ages and I've never had linux on it |
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| 15:56.24 | Quibus | asking again: can anyone here check if the fonts of Qt apps are still anti-aliased, mainly in the menus? Talking about Qt 4.2 in testing |
| 15:56.37 | CharminTheMoose | damn internet |
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| 15:57.20 | Mooi | "cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.drupal.org rejected access to /cvs/drupal for user anonymous" |
| 15:57.21 | Mooi | :/ |
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| 16:00.44 | dob1 | hi |
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| 16:01.58 | dob1 | i don't want to load a module at boot, i put that module on /etc/hotplug/blacklist , it is not present on /etc/modules but it continue to load it at boot |
| 16:02.03 | dob1 | what can i do ? |
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| 16:02.24 | asg | dob1: nasty hack. Move the module to module.disabled |
| 16:02.46 | plugwash | dob1 are you running sarge or etch? |
| 16:02.47 | CharminTheMoose | question |
| 16:02.52 | CharminTheMoose | why does attempting to paste kill mozilla on me? |
| 16:02.53 | dob1 | asg: /etc/modules.disable ? |
| 16:02.55 | plugwash | iirc etch has now replaced hotplug with udev |
| 16:02.56 | dob1 | plugwash: sarge |
| 16:03.30 | asg | dob1: no, physically move it so that it doesn't exist as module.ko but module.ko.disabled. |
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| 16:04.13 | dob1 | asg: not very clean solution :) |
| 16:04.22 | asg | dob1: that's why I said 'nasty hack' |
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| 16:07.02 | dvs | dob1: try blacklisting in /etc/modprobe/ |
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| 16:07.33 | raciso | hi guys, normally when u get a sigpipe error is it because of the source code or linux packaging porblem ? |
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| 16:09.05 | Quibus | raciso: normally it's a bug in the program |
| 16:09.19 | raciso | ho ok thanks you |
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| 16:09.47 | CharminTheMoose | is pumpkin0 here? |
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| 16:10.24 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: sort off |
| 16:10.35 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.com/827411 is my xfree log if you want it |
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| 16:11.50 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: OK, so dri works. now run "glxinfo" and post the ouput. |
| 16:11.52 | CharminTheMoose | and my xfconfig-4 http://pastebin.com/827413 |
| 16:12.20 | raciso | is it possible to auto restart a programs when crash on GDB ? |
| 16:12.28 | raciso | in gdb* |
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| 16:13.34 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.com/827417 is my glxinfo pumpkin0 |
| 16:14.15 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: look all OK so far. Now ... which game ? |
| 16:14.30 | CharminTheMoose | one sec |
| 16:14.50 | CharminTheMoose | it's called Lemming Ball z |
| 16:15.01 | CharminTheMoose | a dragon ball z game with lemmings |
| 16:15.09 | CharminTheMoose | i tried the 2d version |
| 16:15.53 | CharminTheMoose | www.lbz3d.com |
| 16:15.58 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, how much video ram? or, does it have any? |
| 16:16.18 | CharminTheMoose | Eulex:anyway to find this out? |
| 16:17.13 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, you might find it out by doing lspci -v and looking at the memory areas assigned to it |
| 16:17.23 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: that game NEEDS a 64 MB ATI 8500 minimum. You have a 8 MB i810. That is not going to work ... |
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| 16:17.54 | CharminTheMoose | ah right |
| 16:17.58 | CharminTheMoose | that clears it up tons |
| 16:18.14 | CharminTheMoose | thanks for your help pumpkin0 |
| 16:18.57 | Eulex | note that it's not even sure the card has any vram on-chip, it might be using system memory, and just uses 8mb by default |
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| 16:19.59 | Eulex | you might be able to make it allocate more of the system memory, then it might run |
| 16:19.59 | Eulex | (II) I810(0): I810CheckAvailableMemory: 95228k available |
| 16:19.59 | Eulex | # |
| 16:19.59 | Eulex | (==) I810(0): Will alloc AGP framebuffer: 8192 kByte |
| 16:19.59 | Eulex | (II) I810(0): I810CheckAvailableMemory: 95228k available |
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| 16:20.18 | Eulex | eh, sorry |
| 16:20.41 | Eulex | stupid gtk single line controls allowing you to paste several lines into them... |
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| 16:21.09 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.17 | CharminTheMoose | it doesn't look all that happy |
| 16:21.31 | Eulex | seems like it might be 64mb maximum then |
| 16:21.32 | jared27at | good afternoon .. |
| 16:22.00 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: i´m more scared about the pixelshaders the 8500 has ... |
| 16:22.33 | Eulex | pumpkin0, an 8500 has pixel shaders? |
| 16:22.43 | jared27at | I feel very dumb, but I've got a silly problem (to me it looks silly at least :) ), I installed debian sarge, got apache and php running, installed phpmyadmin which works, then installed squirrelmail. Unfortunately the squirrelmail pages are not rendered by PHP, it just displays the source... Anybody any clue what I've done wrong? |
| 16:23.12 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: yes. first card from ATI to feature pixel-shaders. And i don´t think the minimum on 8500 is a ocincidence. |
| 16:23.52 | Eulex | pumpkin0, oh, ok |
| 16:24.36 | Eulex | anyway, CharminTheMoose, I found the following in the i810 man page: "By default 8 Megabytes of system memory are used for graphics. For the 830M and later, the default is 8 Megabytes when DRI is not enabled and 32 Megabytes with DRI is enabled. This amount may be changed with the VideoRam entry in the config file Device section. It may be set to any reasonable value up to 64MB for older chipsets or 128MB for newer chipets." |
| 16:24.37 | dvs | jared27at: are you sure that php is working properly in apache? |
| 16:24.58 | jared27at | dvs: well, phpmyadmin works, and displays the site rendered by php.. |
| 16:25.21 | dvs | jared27at: have you tried a php page you created? |
| 16:25.53 | CharminTheMoose | Eulex:um and the point is? |
| 16:26.27 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, you might be able to increase the amount of video memory available, by making it use more system memory as video memory |
| 16:26.42 | CharminTheMoose | oh right,sorry for being a bit slow.... |
| 16:26.43 | jared27at | dvs: hm, okay, that doesn't seem to work, must have overlooked something then in the tutorial I followed :/ |
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| 16:27.00 | Mooi | CharminTheMoose: how do I play that game? |
| 16:27.06 | Mooi | I'm bit confused on how to attack :/ |
| 16:27.15 | jared27at | dvs: followed the 'The Perfect Setup' from howtoforge .. |
| 16:27.22 | CharminTheMoose | Mooi:check options and controls |
| 16:27.24 | CharminTheMoose | i think |
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| 16:27.26 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 16:27.32 | Mooi | I did |
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| 16:27.37 | demio | does anyone here know a mirror for fcgi-2.4.0.tar.gz? |
| 16:27.38 | Mooi | I set attack 1 to left mouse |
| 16:27.42 | demio | fastcgi.com is down :( |
| 16:27.43 | Mooi | and it still doesn't do a thing |
| 16:27.51 | Mooi | all I can do is move around - nothing else!:/ |
| 16:27.59 | Mooi | or maybe it doesn't support the mouse !:) |
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| 16:29.35 | Mooi | how stupid |
| 16:29.37 | Mooi | ;/ |
| 16:29.37 | dvs | jared27at: php.conf and php.load is in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled right? |
| 16:29.41 | Mooi | I'm used on attacking with mouse |
| 16:30.34 | jared27at | dvs: yes.. but it works now, following the tutorial i commented out several config. options, removing the comments makes php work again. |
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| 16:34.37 | ctx144k_ | i want to read out a EC-card with a card-reader under debian3.1... but if i get the complete struiing of the card i have soime other special-chars as unter win32 |
| 16:35.09 | ctx144k_ | anybody knows wheres the problem... i think it couldbe mayby the cahracter-settings |
| 16:35.29 | ctx144k_ | but i dont know how to change |
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| 16:37.36 | CharminTheMoose | pfft,i keep on getting screens found but none have a usable configuration from xfree86 |
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| 16:38.03 | CharminTheMoose | VideoRam seems to not work at all |
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| 16:39.06 | demio | http://dir.filewatcher.com/d/FreeBSD/distfiles/Other/fcgi-2.4.0.tar.gz.468682.html |
| 16:39.16 | demio | do you guys think this will work on linux? |
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| 16:40.11 | odla | demio: there's frugalware packages available there |
| 16:40.15 | odla | demio: so yes |
| 16:40.29 | magyar | when i do an ls -l what does "total $" means? |
| 16:40.29 | Mooi | CharminTheMoose: what is a kikey? |
| 16:40.29 | CharminTheMoose | anyone? |
| 16:40.36 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 16:40.38 | Pupeno | Would LVM help me not having to decide an exact size for the /home and / partitions being able to resize them latter ? |
| 16:40.51 | Mooi | CharminTheMoose: google can help you on that |
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| 16:41.55 | jabka | how can i change my gid via cli ? |
| 16:42.16 | lunitik | jabka, $EDITOR /etc/group ? |
| 16:42.21 | Supaplex | jabka: usermod |
| 16:42.30 | Supaplex | lunitik: tsk tsk :) |
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| 16:42.56 | sqrxz | I have mounted a windows partition, but I can't write to it, is it possible at all? i applied the -w flag |
| 16:43.12 | lunitik | Supaplex, psht... its easier to edit files... so long as you remember to create the dirs when you're done :) |
| 16:43.25 | jabka | thnx ppl ( my root added me to group root ) |
| 16:43.26 | lunitik | !ntfs |
| 16:43.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
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| 16:44.19 | jabka | strange group name |
| 16:44.25 | lunitik | jabka, why you wanna change that? hah |
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| 16:44.55 | jabka | lunitik : i get lot of mail and have extra accses to the sys |
| 16:45.05 | lunitik | jabka, thats a bad thing? |
| 16:45.12 | cydork__ | bwahahha |
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| 16:45.19 | cydork__ | lunitik, he is not like you :P |
| 16:45.29 | jabka | yes .. i got 200 mails today and more yak stuf .. |
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| 16:45.47 | jabka | and plus there is now fun stuff on this sys |
| 16:46.00 | sqrxz | lunitik: thank you |
| 16:46.00 | jabka | it is a free AP server |
| 16:46.29 | Bhavesh | i want root access.. where can i get it? :) |
| 16:46.43 | Supaplex | @localhost |
| 16:46.45 | ravenbird | 127.0.0.1. Christopher Thomas Nicodemus |
| 16:46.47 | jabka | boot as single ? |
| 16:46.58 | lunitik | Bhavesh, You'll have to put up with lots of mail!!!! Don't do it! |
| 16:47.18 | Supaplex | temporaryinbox.com is teh spiffy for that |
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| 16:47.21 | Bhavesh | should I ssh to 127.0.0.1 and use root/login? :) |
| 16:47.23 | lunitik | </sarcasm> |
| 16:47.37 | Bhavesh | lunitik: but it sounds like FUN to have root access? |
| 16:47.58 | lunitik | Bhavesh, its more fun when you're not supposed to have it :( |
| 16:48.10 | Bhavesh | ohhh!!! :) |
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| 16:48.16 | lunitik | Bhavesh, localhost is boring to have root access to :( |
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| 16:48.18 | Supaplex | Bhavesh: are you trying to use root on your own box, or you just want root on some other box for nothin? |
| 16:48.23 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 16:48.32 | fbhjr | Stephen Root |
| 16:48.45 | jabka | thnx ppl have to go .. ( btw to be root give you some responsebilty for the system you are in ) |
| 16:48.49 | Bhavesh | Supaplex: sorry i was just joking i have root access on enough boxes :) |
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| 16:49.06 | Bhavesh | lunitik: you are right.. b/c i have root on this computer i have to actually FIx the problem that I created lol |
| 16:49.23 | lunitik | Bhavesh, Thats no fun :( |
| 16:49.24 | lunitik | hah |
| 16:50.00 | corp-mule-- | which "signal" makes a process restart (using the "kill" command)? |
| 16:50.03 | fas3r | do you know if it's possible to know how many packages are install with apt on my server and the size .. |
| 16:50.18 | cahoot | corp-mule--: SIGHUP |
| 16:50.41 | corp-mule-- | k, so, kill -SIGHUM <pid> ? |
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| 16:50.57 | corp-mule-- | s/SIGHUM/SIGHUP/g |
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| 16:51.32 | cahoot | ps |
| 16:51.38 | Supaplex | how is dpkg-buildpackage suppose to handle /etc/ld.so.conf when building stuff? I suspect debian policy would require that a normal user can build the package without real root access. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/11/msg02074.html is my previous post to the debian-users mailing list (with a short transcript) |
| 16:52.08 | Bhavesh | i had been able to use digikam with canon powershot a530 camera but now digikam detects it but can not access it |
| 16:52.32 | valdyn | Supaplex: why would a build system change /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 16:52.36 | jabka | ppl be awere for some bug in amd64-archive-install on testing |
| 16:52.50 | Supaplex | valdyn: because it's ... too new? |
| 16:52.56 | valdyn | Supaplex: no |
| 16:53.07 | zskdan | there is an officiel debian package for Layer7-filter ?? |
| 16:53.09 | jabka | it will lock apt-cache untill next apt-get update |
| 16:53.11 | quitte | Supaplex: that might happen on install |
| 16:53.16 | valdyn | Supaplex: it would be fucking stupid, expressed mildly |
| 16:53.24 | quitte | heh |
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| 16:53.50 | valdyn | Supaplex: the bug is at the guy that wrote that software, if it was packaged for debian, that bug had to be fixed first |
| 16:53.52 | Supaplex | you mean to say durring build? well of course. |
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| 16:56.14 | Supaplex | so I should post a bug on the source package? it's in sid, but I was attempting to backport a few things to sarge with minimal dependencies outside sarge. |
| 16:56.39 | valdyn | Supaplex: the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH can add paths to search for libraries |
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| 17:00.28 | quitte | Supaplex: I'm trying right now. |
| 17:00.40 | Supaplex | ok |
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| 17:01.44 | Supaplex | the install target in debian/rules shows it's calling make and using prefix= which I think may/should have accomidated this, but didn't... |
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| 17:03.04 | valdyn | zskdan: a what? |
| 17:03.15 | quitte | Supaplex: worked just fine. you did something wrong |
| 17:03.28 | fas3r | do you know if it's possible to limit the size of kern.log and debug in /var/log ... :s ? |
| 17:03.42 | quitte | Supaplex: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 17:04.34 | Supaplex | I used fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 17:05.08 | cydork__ | aptitude doesn't have super cow powers :( |
| 17:05.09 | quitte | Supaplex: and what did you do to backport? |
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| 17:05.49 | CharminTheMoose | hehm,ok so i managed to get LBZ running but it was really damn slow,obviously i need a faster processor/better video card |
| 17:05.51 | Supaplex | I have a sid apt-src entry, and I apt-get source libcommoncpp2 |
| 17:06.12 | Supaplex | it's a fresh sarge install in the debootstrap directory I've chrooted into |
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| 17:07.38 | quitte | hmm. it fails to rebuild from the sourcetree. that is a bug |
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| 17:09.01 | valdyn | incomplete dependencies or it does not compile with sarge's gcc |
| 17:09.19 | valdyn | or are you not building on sarge? |
| 17:09.21 | RogerBacon | why microsoft d'ont give documentary to make ntfs writable on linux ? |
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| 17:09.30 | valdyn | RogerBacon: we dont know |
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| 17:09.53 | Supaplex | valdyn: it compiles fine, it just yells about trying to tinker with /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 17:10.33 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 17:10.35 | bobesponja | does anyone know how can I set IPs that are allowed to mount shares from my samba server? |
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| 17:11.20 | quitte | hmm. being able to write to a filesystem. maybe thats the patented innovation that linux illegally uses |
| 17:11.58 | quitte | Supaplex: it builds just fine with the command you used in etch |
| 17:12.26 | valdyn | just not on sarge.. it seems |
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| 17:13.02 | valdyn | Supaplex: i cant understand why it would break with just that error unless you change something else |
| 17:13.04 | Supaplex | I guess I was up too late last night trying to bend it to my will :P |
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| 17:13.36 | Supaplex | I'm rebuilding it now just to see |
| 17:14.08 | quitte | Supaplex: if you encounter the problem that removing patches before the rebuild starts fails - please report that |
| 17:16.04 | Supaplex | yea I had that to |
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| 17:16.05 | Supaplex | I think I did make clean |
| 17:16.05 | quitte | debian/rules clean dosn'T work |
| 17:16.05 | Tux | how can i uninstall xserver or reinstall it so that i can get rid of the current confuration |
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| 17:16.06 | quitte | Tux: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xeserver-xorg |
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| 17:16.22 | fas3r | re |
| 17:16.24 | Supaplex | quitte: it's suppose to work tho right? |
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| 17:16.33 | quitte | Supaplex: yes |
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| 17:16.57 | Supaplex | yea breaks here. |
| 17:17.02 | quitte | funny |
| 17:18.04 | quitte | Supaplex: what do you need it fo? |
| 17:18.04 | Supaplex | twinkle |
| 17:18.27 | quitte | Supaplex: and the version of libcommoncpp in sarge doesn't work? |
| 17:18.53 | Supaplex | another lib was looking for something missing in sarge's -dev package |
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| 17:19.29 | quitte | which lib is missing which file? |
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| 17:20.54 | Supaplex | libzrtpcpp cannot find libccrtp1.pc |
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| 17:21.35 | Tux | i always dont get the content of my control center in kde |
| 17:22.16 | Supaplex | checking for RTPSTACK... configure: error: Package requirements (libccrtp1 >= 1.5.0) were not met: Package libccrtp1 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libccrtp1.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. - /usr/local/src/libzrtpcpp-0.9.0 |
| 17:24.01 | zskdan | a Layer7-filter debian package a extension to iptables for QoS ?? |
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| 17:24.37 | zskdan | valdyn :a Layer7-filter debian package a extension to iptables for QoS ? |
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| 17:28.01 | _zfr_ | hi, how to install the nvidia driver, i download the driver from nvidia.com, i get error during installation, something about kernel headers or something ? |
| 17:28.05 | magyar | #deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 17:28.05 | magyar | #deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 17:28.15 | quitte | Supaplex: and backporting libccrtp1 fals how? |
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| 17:28.36 | Tux | i cant see the content of my control center in kde |
| 17:28.39 | Tux | any ideas? |
| 17:28.55 | magyar | Tux sid? etch? |
| 17:29.01 | Tux | etch |
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| 17:29.31 | magyar | Tux: did you try to do an update? |
| 17:29.37 | Tux | yes i did that |
| 17:29.39 | quitte | Supaplex: why don'T you just use etch anyways? looks likeyou are doing this for a desktop ystem anyways, to me |
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| 17:30.12 | magyar | ls -l /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged |
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| 17:30.33 | agent | is there a way to extract a deb without using dpkg and ar? |
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| 17:30.46 | Tux | i tried ls... |
| 17:30.58 | magyar | Tux: whats the oputput? |
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| 17:31.42 | Tux | the window comes out |
| 17:31.53 | magyar | huh? |
| 17:31.55 | Tux | but with everything but the icons to access |
| 17:32.09 | Tux | specific settings are missing |
| 17:32.47 | vivithemage | magyar, are there any stable for non free and contrib |
| 17:33.15 | Supaplex | quitte: it needs libccgnu2.pc. I'm doing this for a roomie that's pretty new to debian. etch is a possibility, but I don't want to manage his system any more then I already have :-p (yea, I know, why do I bother?!) |
| 17:33.18 | magyar | Tux: i need you to open a console window and tell me the result of your "ls -l /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged" command |
| 17:33.36 | Tux | ok |
| 17:33.39 | magyar | vivithemage: not a clue |
| 17:34.10 | vivithemage | hmm |
| 17:34.18 | Tux | file exists |
| 17:34.45 | quitte | Supaplex: i was quite successful with that task and using etch. |
| 17:35.37 | quitte | Supaplex: and denying the root password |
| 17:35.37 | magyar | Tux: now do a "ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged" as root |
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| 17:36.56 | jinda1 | hullo, |
| 17:37.25 | jinda1 | ~ 700 ppl sitting idle :) |
| 17:38.05 | jinda1 | knock knock somebody here |
| 17:38.35 | cahoot | rest assured there are |
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| 17:40.53 | Tux | magyar: it says file exits |
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| 17:46.58 | trym | will apt-cache show never show the backport version of a package? |
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| 17:47.23 | pickcoder | did you add backports to your sources.list? |
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| 17:47.41 | epsilon | apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 17:48.00 | trym | pickcoder: yes |
| 17:48.08 | trym | and apt-get install installs the backport one |
| 17:48.13 | pickcoder | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/postfix/ |
| 17:48.22 | pickcoder | there's package list |
| 17:48.34 | pickcoder | or you can do what epsilon said |
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| 17:50.24 | trym | thanks |
| 17:50.53 | Tux | magyar you there? |
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| 17:51.46 | dimir | sziastok |
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| 17:57.23 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 17:57.23 | dpkg | Yes, charminthemoose, you're still online. |
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| 17:59.16 | Supaplex | !smack me, I'm dreaming |
| 17:59.25 | Supaplex | heh |
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| 18:06.16 | magyar | bleh |
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| 18:08.53 | magyar | which package i need to install to get dig working? |
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| 18:10.27 | valdyn | magyar: only the package containing dig |
| 18:10.37 | trym | magyar is hungarian for hungarian right? |
| 18:11.12 | magyar | trym: no magyar is for magyar |
| 18:11.31 | magyar | anyone can be hungarian |
| 18:11.33 | trym | you mean magyar is magyar for magyar ? |
| 18:11.41 | magyar | roger |
| 18:11.49 | trym | i seeee.. |
| 18:11.53 | magyar | -_- |
| 18:12.10 | trym | :P |
| 18:12.16 | magyar | valdyn: E: Couldn't find package dig |
| 18:12.25 | valdyn | !tell magyar -about search |
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| 18:13.04 | ofer0 | magyar, dnsutils |
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| 18:15.05 | magyar | ofer0: thx |
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| 18:16.00 | nixcs | anyone in here familiar with prism54 driver for the linksys wireless usb adapter? |
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| 18:17.15 | Supaplex | !tell nixcs -about ask |
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| 18:19.57 | totting1 | how can I get a ruby1.8.4 for debian sarge? |
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| 18:22.09 | Supaplex | totting1: if it's not already in sarge, backport it or use backports.org |
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| 18:26.03 | ArrenLex | So when's the iceweasel rename finally going to happen? |
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| 18:26.34 | totting1 | Supaplex: doesn't seem to be in backports. Added the repo to my apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-cache search showed no different version. Hmmm. |
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| 18:27.37 | liob | hi, |
| 18:27.37 | liob | is there a way to ask a dns server for all sub domains of a given domain? For example for *.gmx.de it should return mail.gmx.de smtp.gmx.de pop3.gmx.de ... |
| 18:27.52 | xjkx | i wanted to use mysql, they told me to install mysql-server/client/query browser, its installed, how do i open the graphical thing? |
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| 18:28.10 | xjkx | the query browser asks me for logins :s |
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| 18:29.37 | niles | i rebooted my machines and my network interface settings did not take place. whats wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces http://rafb.net/paste/results/fOhBqC56.html |
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| 18:31.00 | xingu | niles: autho eth0, iface eth0-home |
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| 18:31.07 | xingu | s/auth/aut/ |
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| 18:31.09 | Knuckleduster | auto lo eth0 |
| 18:31.09 | Knuckleduster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.53 | niles | oh ok |
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| 18:31.57 | niles | thanx guys. |
| 18:31.59 | niles | of course |
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| 18:32.28 | adamt | Hi! When using gentoo i had an easy way to make init-scripts for starting each network interface (/etc/init.d/net.eth0 , net.ath0... etc) - is there an easy way to do the same with debian? |
| 18:33.00 | niles | /etc/init.d/rc#.d/ |
| 18:33.12 | niles | oh when starting a network interface |
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| 18:33.17 | totting1 | Does apt-cache search all repos in the /var/apt/lists/* ? |
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| 18:33.37 | Anarka | yep |
| 18:33.51 | xingu | adamt: possibly, you could invert your thinking; allow ifup to start the interfaces, then use its directives to perform whatever actions needed per-interface |
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| 18:35.05 | adamt | xingu: problem is, this is a laptop, and i'm not going to start eth0 that often, and i hate to wait for the normal nic to timeout.. |
| 18:35.08 | XrMb2 | how to create a password-protected archive? |
| 18:35.13 | XrMb2 | for example, using bzip2 |
| 18:35.19 | xingu | adamt: interfaces(5) is reasonably complete |
| 18:35.36 | xingu | adamt: does "mapping" help with your problem? |
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| 18:36.23 | adamt | i'll take a peak.. :-) |
| 18:37.35 | adamt | okay, i don't see how mapping should help me, unless mapping can do other stuff than making aliases for the interfaces |
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| 18:39.13 | xingu | adamt: you could use it for instance with mii-tool to only start the interface if carrier is present |
| 18:40.03 | xingu | adamt: what was it in your previous scripting that discovered which interfaces were required? that should semantically map through |
| 18:40.06 | Supaplex | now there's an idea |
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| 18:40.55 | adamt | xingu: i don't want to do that |
| 18:40.56 | Qy | Hello, |
| 18:41.15 | adamt | i just want to be able to start and stop each interface in a coveniant wat |
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| 18:41.17 | adamt | *way |
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| 18:41.31 | Supaplex | you don't have to use auto right? |
| 18:41.34 | xingu | adamt: don't start them automatically then; just remove the auto directive |
| 18:41.53 | xingu | adamt: and run ifup ${ifname} as required |
| 18:41.54 | Supaplex | and use ifup / ifdown |
| 18:42.30 | xingu | adamt: the other thought would be - bridge your various interfaces, and configure your ip layer against the bridge interface not the physical interfaces |
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| 18:42.36 | smallfoot- | I hope someone can add computer hardware manufacturers who are Linux/FOSS/competition/etc friendly or unfriendly to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
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| 18:43.16 | LinuxHelp | !SDL |
| 18:43.17 | dpkg | somebody said sdl was the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl |
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| 18:43.40 | adamt | xingu: i still don't want to bring everything up - 95% of the time i'll have to wait for a time out ;-) |
| 18:43.49 | craigevil | smallfoot-: little OT eh |
| 18:43.54 | xingu | adamt: in that case just remove the auto and ifup as required |
| 18:43.55 | adamt | but i'll just remove "auto" then, thanks! |
| 18:44.40 | xingu | smallfoot-: there aren't any end to end manufacturers left; every vendor is licensing technology in clusters from various partners |
| 18:45.07 | smallfoot- | xingu ? |
| 18:45.08 | xingu | smallfoot-: linux friendly hardware equals an aggregate set of linux-friendly licensors under the bonnet; and that's rare. |
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| 18:45.20 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 18:45.21 | smallfoot- | that sucks |
| 18:45.22 | smallfoot- | :( |
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| 18:46.55 | chj | Hi. How can I easily check what kind of file system (reiserFS, ext2, ext3 etc) a disk has? cfdisk gives it in interactive mode, but I'm looking for a command that just prints it to console, if there is one. |
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| 18:48.36 | lunitik | chj, fdisk -l gives you the type # ... you'd have to know what that means though... |
| 18:48.37 | amphi | chj: file -s can tell you |
| 18:48.40 | xingu | chj: dd the first 16KiB or so then use file |
| 18:48.45 | xingu | or use file -s. :) |
| 18:49.03 | jatt | chj: sudo vol_id /dev/hda1 | grep -i type |
| 18:49.11 | jatt | ID_FS_TYPE=ext3 |
| 18:49.25 | xingu | now *that* is neat |
| 18:49.39 | chj | lunitik : yeah, but it's always 83, isn't it? |
| 18:49.59 | jatt | hehe |
| 18:50.07 | xingu | chj: it's whatever the clown who set it up decided to lable it |
| 18:50.19 | xingu | chj: jatt's suggestion is best |
| 18:50.48 | chj | is vol_id a part of another package? |
| 18:50.53 | xingu | chj: udev |
| 18:51.17 | xingu | chj: it's best because - this is how udev's hotplug scripts sense fstype |
| 18:52.08 | lunitik | xingu, udev 100 doesn't appear to contain this (program?) |
| 18:52.43 | xingu | lunitik: /lib/udev/vol_id here, 0.100-2.2 |
| 18:53.17 | jatt | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12432 Oct 17 06:06 /sbin/vol_id |
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| 18:53.37 | plee | does anyone know of amd64 backports? |
| 18:54.11 | chj | great, thanks jatt, xingu, lunitik, amphi! |
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| 18:54.52 | dumbass | where can I get the patches that are applied to 2.6.18 debian kernel? |
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| 18:55.23 | eduhat | anyone here heard of operator? |
| 18:55.46 | dumbass | ? |
| 18:56.10 | nvz_ | eduhat: yeah her number is 0 call her anytime |
| 18:56.29 | xingu | dumbass: apt-get source linux-image-... ? |
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| 18:57.19 | nvz_ | lunitik: maybe you need to dial a different operator :P though the ones that start out 1-800 usually cost more |
| 18:57.52 | lunitik | nvz_, haha... I thought 1-800 was reverse charged? |
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| 18:58.03 | chj | jatt : what is ID_FS_UUID? an unique code for every harddisk? |
| 18:58.07 | KD-Misafir913 | selammmmmm |
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| 18:58.57 | nvz_ | lunitik: I dunno I am pretty sure they ran out of 1-900 numbers for smut/dating lines. |
| 18:58.58 | xingu | chj: in theory yes, but like any other label, it's assigned and can thus be assigned wrongly (non-uniquely) |
| 18:59.14 | smallfoot- | http://vendors.bluwiki.org/go/Vendors -- now covers the DRAM price fixing scandal |
| 18:59.29 | KD-Misafir913 | MSN |
| 18:59.33 | lunitik | nvz_, hah... I was trying to drop that side of your statement ;P |
| 18:59.41 | nvz_ | I dont do express dating.. online, on the phone, or anywhere else i am in no hurry |
| 18:59.42 | KD-Misafir913 | NASILSIN |
| 19:00.01 | CharminTheMoose | I'm having a serious problem,for some reason, /usr/sbin/groupadd and groupdel had disappeared for some reason. |
| 19:00.08 | CharminTheMoose | how do i get 'em back> |
| 19:00.09 | CharminTheMoose | ? |
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| 19:00.25 | CharminTheMoose | reinstalling login doesn't work |
| 19:00.42 | roby | stable for amd 64? |
| 19:01.01 | xingu | !search /usr/sbin/groupadd |
| 19:01.02 | lunitik | roby, no such thing |
| 19:01.15 | LinuxHelp | !RTFM |
| 19:01.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 19:01.19 | lunitik | roby, amd64 is a new arch... will see its first release with etch |
| 19:01.19 | roby | lunitik: etch only? |
| 19:01.24 | roby | k |
| 19:01.33 | niles | does compaq support linux drivers (56k modem)? |
| 19:01.37 | lunitik | roby, for what its worth, its pretty stable afaict |
| 19:01.58 | lunitik | niles, call them and find out? |
| 19:02.06 | xingu | I don't think compaq has ever manufactured a modem |
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| 19:02.18 | CharminTheMoose | /usr/sbin/groupadd: command not found |
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| 19:02.24 | niles | xingu: i have a pci modem |
| 19:02.41 | LinuxHelp | dpkg, TNNFSHL is Theres no need for such harsh language. |
| 19:02.42 | dpkg | okay, LinuxHelp |
| 19:02.43 | roby | lunitik: thans |
| 19:02.45 | amphi | niles: you need to find which type of abomination it is, and look at linmodems.org probably |
| 19:02.46 | roby | thanks* |
| 19:02.49 | xingu | I bet its PCI ID indicates that it's of Conexant extraction |
| 19:02.52 | LinuxHelp | !TNNFSHL |
| 19:02.52 | dpkg | from memory, tnnfshl is Theres no need for such harsh language. |
| 19:03.23 | roby | amphi: "abomination" LOL!!! |
| 19:03.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | !windows |
| 19:03.42 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 19:03.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | !microsoft |
| 19:03.52 | dpkg | i heard microsoft is the soft conglomerate of stature that provides the food to billions of apathetic morons who want to sit on the asses of their undoing so their minds can melt into the pixelized universe that is The Daily Show |
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| 19:04.05 | Luiz | yeah |
| 19:04.16 | Luiz | anyone installs debian amd64 on emt64 systems? |
| 19:04.20 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 19:04.21 | dpkg | somebody said pmm was Please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel. |
| 19:04.35 | lunitik | xingu, In this Compaq Presario there is an agere systems modem ... |
| 19:04.48 | lunitik | Luiz, sure |
| 19:04.53 | Luiz | lunitik, |
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| 19:05.02 | lunitik | Luiz, actually not on emt64 systems |
| 19:05.03 | Luiz | You install testing CD amd64? |
| 19:05.04 | CharminTheMoose | there's file in /usr/sbin/ called addgroup |
| 19:05.06 | niles | amphi: what do you mean by abomination |
| 19:05.09 | CharminTheMoose | but there's no groupadd |
| 19:05.12 | amphi | niles: winmodem |
| 19:05.17 | Luiz | or just 32 bits? |
| 19:05.19 | xingu | abomination is right, it's the only true way to aptly capture the notion of trellis encoding bits such that they can fit within the frequency range the remote dacs deigns to pluck from your pair |
| 19:05.31 | roby | I'm going to remove the 1 GB of ram and DVD writer from my debian box. Going to put in 256MB and a regular CD-ROM... I don't have to re-install debian do I? |
| 19:05.51 | lunitik | roby, no |
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| 19:06.17 | roby | nice |
| 19:06.20 | xingu | especially when you're doing this on a host cpu with the all the bit-banging "assistance" of what may as well be a parallel port at your disposal |
| 19:06.24 | fbhjr | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:06.25 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 19:06.28 | roby | though i loose 80 days of uptime :( |
| 19:06.35 | CharminTheMoose | but there's no groupadd |
| 19:06.44 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: it's in passwd |
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| 19:07.20 | amphi | roby: the linux uptime point has been made enough by now ;) |
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| 19:07.36 | roby | hehehe |
| 19:07.40 | peterS | lunitik: depends on your hardware architecture. on IBM mainframes, everything is hotpluggable, because those things are expected to have uptimes measured in decades |
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| 19:08.29 | roby | peterS: good Lord almight |
| 19:08.32 | roby | y* |
| 19:08.46 | peterS | roby: it's true. mainframe people laugh at the whole rest of the computing world for not taking reliability seriously |
| 19:08.48 | chj | is there any way I can check what kind of RAM my computer uses, besides opening the box and actually looking at the sticks? |
| 19:09.02 | lunitik | peterS, sure, in some scenarios it makes sense... but its possible on any system due to those features... |
| 19:09.10 | amphi | chj: hwinfo might tell you |
| 19:09.31 | peterS | roby: mainframes actually have two CPUs that both execute all the instructions then check to make sure they both got the same result. if not, it runs a diagnostic to see which CPU is faulty, and signals the admin to replace that one |
| 19:09.41 | chj | amphi : sweet, thanks! |
| 19:09.46 | xingu | chj: also try dmidecode |
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| 19:10.05 | peterS | lunitik: it's not as easy as you think to create a system with basically _no_ single point of failure |
| 19:10.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | Actually, with two standard machines, you can do the same with a failover system... just for WAY cheaper |
| 19:10.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | it's called a cluster... |
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| 19:11.00 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: you can't cluster all applications |
| 19:11.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | of course not |
| 19:11.27 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: and good luck having a machine crash in a cluster and the logged-in users _not noticing_ |
| 19:11.35 | xingu | the internet way is to expect damage and route around it; google's approach for instance - commodity hardware, distributed application |
| 19:11.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | But I told about a system, not the programs it runs on |
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| 19:11.55 | xingu | anyone ever been hurt by one of their $300 pc's going bang? |
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| 19:12.14 | Supaplex | xingu: whose? |
| 19:12.18 | xingu | google's. |
| 19:12.39 | chj | xingu, amphi : they both give back "type: unknown", thanks anyway :-) |
| 19:12.42 | peterS | lunitik: a grid is, in general, more loosely connected, so you can't do stuff that expects high network bandwidth |
| 19:12.47 | Supaplex | they selling them to consumers? |
| 19:13.20 | pumpkin0 | lunitik: cluster => the software you install on a normal OS does the networking/clustering part. Grid => the OS does the networking/clustering and helps the software. |
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| 19:13.32 | karsten | lunitik: They're both more-or-less marketing terms. "Grid" is teh new black. |
| 19:13.34 | peterS | lunitik: also, a grid may have multiple administrators who don't have a particular reason to trust each other absolutely. that makes a difference in a lot of applications |
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| 19:14.14 | peterS | ooh, it's d0ugie howser, md. |
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| 19:14.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | Actualy lunitik noone has the same answers.... Find your own on google :) |
| 19:14.30 | karsten | lunitik: http://www.platform.com/ and look for LSF for a sample of grid software. |
| 19:14.47 | d0uglas | peterS: no, i'm the d0ug from the nickelodian show |
| 19:14.50 | karsten | lunitik: It's essentially a large distributed batch management system. |
| 19:14.54 | peterS | oh, ok |
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| 19:15.30 | d0uglas | You know what's badass, what I show people when I want them to realize the power of Linux? The fuzzy clock. "Quarter past two." They love it! |
| 19:15.32 | d0uglas | it's the little things |
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| 19:16.26 | Eulex | fuzzy clock? where? |
| 19:16.32 | lunitik | Eulex, KDE |
| 19:16.36 | Eulex | ah |
| 19:16.38 | peterS | but...but...but it's only quarter past one |
| 19:16.45 | Eulex | not on my linux then :P |
| 19:16.56 | d0uglas | no way i am synched with the official linux time server thingy |
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| 19:17.20 | lunitik | KDE folks will even tell you the KDE clock sucks... aseigo is doing his best to fix it... |
| 19:17.33 | lunitik | (as part of plasma...) |
| 19:17.37 | peterS | wait ... how can a _clock_ suck? I mean it has like the simplest job in the world |
| 19:17.46 | peterS | (1) ask the OS for the time of day, (2) display it |
| 19:18.01 | xingu | you'd be surprised.... |
| 19:18.06 | d0uglas | not only do i have the kde clock in fuzzy mode (sometimes with a "high fuzziness threshold" i also have the superkaramba crystal clock with transparency |
| 19:18.11 | peterS | I just can't imagine how you can screw *that* up. |
| 19:18.12 | lunitik | peterS, It tells the time just fine... thats about all it does right... |
| 19:18.15 | peterS | that OS is doing all the hard work |
| 19:18.22 | d0uglas | it's tough to read with the seconds hand being thicker than the minutes hand but it looks cool |
| 19:18.30 | peterS | lunitik: what the @#*&$^ else do you want a clock to do, than tell the time? |
| 19:19.00 | Eulex | kde users would prolly want it to tell the time in at least a dozen ways |
| 19:19.05 | Eulex | prolly at the same time too |
| 19:19.06 | d0uglas | i run gnome-terminal on kde... i feel like it's two-faced of me. |
| 19:19.08 | peterS | "my kitchen sink sucks, it can't boil water" |
| 19:19.12 | lunitik | peterS, tell the time in egypt and london, and not confuse the user... and look nice... and show the date in a tidy way. |
| 19:20.10 | peterS | lunitik: "TZ=Egypt kdeclock" does not do that? |
| 19:20.49 | lunitik | peterS, KDE has its own method for displaying different time zones... that works on more than just Linux... |
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| 19:21.20 | peterS | right, obviously the legal settings for the TZ variable depend on your libc |
| 19:21.26 | d0uglas | So it's been a good four days since I dropped my laptop last and broked some sectors on my hd. But unlike in the past when my hds have died just from wearing out, the brokedness seems contained and the bad blocks aren't spreading. Is it just a matter of time or might i be in the clear for now, given that it was a single traumatic episode of too many Gs? |
| 19:21.30 | lunitik | peterS, There is actually talk of making KDE a replacement for explorer.exe on Windows for instance... and it will certainly run on Windows and OS X for KDE4 |
| 19:21.48 | xingu | just in time for the vista launch! |
| 19:22.13 | peterS | "Microsoft Vista, now with DRM and KDE"? |
| 19:22.42 | d0uglas | you know how you can impress people with the power of debian? get a really sweet background from kde-look.org and say that the background's powered by linux and they just gotta switch then |
| 19:22.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | dpkg, openvpn is OpenVPN is a full-featured SSL VPN solution which can accomodate a wide range of configurations, including remote access, site-to-site VPNs, WiFi security, and enterprise-scale remote access solutions with load balancing, failover, and fine-grained access-controls http://openvpn.net/ |
| 19:22.54 | dpkg | Ox0F0-0FF: what are you talking about? |
| 19:22.55 | lunitik | peterS, hah... I'm pretty sure Microsoft won't market it ;) (although perhaps Windows SUSE, the Vista alternative?) |
| 19:23.00 | peterS | d0uglas: wtf, people are impressed by jpegs? |
| 19:23.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 19:23.08 | d0uglas | you'd be surprised |
| 19:23.17 | d0uglas | you could always convert the jay pegs into pngs |
| 19:23.24 | d0uglas | with the power of gimp |
| 19:23.32 | peterS | xingu: errr, good point |
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| 19:23.43 | d0uglas | xingu: did you actually see avenue q or did you just get that off of google video? |
| 19:23.44 | peterS | xingu: but you can't get much of that at kde-look.org, can you? |
| 19:23.46 | lunitik | d0uglas, I've shown a few people the Beryl stuff on YouTube... seems to work too. |
| 19:23.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | If someone with privileges could add this to dpkg... |
| 19:23.52 | wpiku | hey guys.. I accidentally deleted everything under /dev/ thanks to mount -o bind :-P anyone know how to regenerate them? |
| 19:24.04 | wpiku | I'm thinking it's in base-files but I dunno |
| 19:24.05 | xingu | d0uglas: went to the opening night down the road |
| 19:24.14 | peterS | wpiku: cd /dev; MAKEDEV generic |
| 19:24.19 | d0uglas | I was surprised to notice some nudity included with kde's backgrounds. Then I thought, why should I be surprised by this? I mean, c'mon people. This is progress. |
| 19:24.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | !openvpn |
| 19:24.26 | peterS | wpiku: unless you're using udev, in which case I dunno |
| 19:24.33 | d0uglas | xingu: cool favorite show i've been to (went in nyc) |
| 19:24.40 | wpiku | peterS, nope, old m68k system :-P |
| 19:24.49 | wpiku | peterS, thanks.. I think that will do the trick |
| 19:25.02 | karsten | d0uglas: Don't trust failing storage |
| 19:25.44 | xingu | d0uglas: :) |
| 19:25.49 | smallfoot- | Please help add computer hardware manufacturers who are Linux/FOSS/competition/etc friendly or unfriendly to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 19:25.49 | d0uglas | karsten: but don't you see my point, that the badness was probably isolated to wherever the wand was at the point of impact? |
| 19:26.01 | karsten | wpiku: Um. If you're useing udev / devfs or whatever it is this afternoon, it's all dynamic. |
| 19:26.25 | xingu | wpiku: what does /proc/mounts think about your binding? |
| 19:26.25 | karsten | d0uglas: ... and the head itself, and whatever platter / spindle misallignment you introduced. |
| 19:26.33 | xingu | wpiku: perhaps you could just rebind it back... |
| 19:26.37 | karsten | d0uglas: Start backing up now. Buy a new drive. Thank me next week. |
| 19:26.55 | xingu | buy a pair of drives, and mirror... |
| 19:26.58 | d0uglas | karsten: sigh ... ... are you sure you're not just a half-empty kind of guy |
| 19:27.04 | karsten | d0uglas: At the very least, run smartctl long & short tests and note any interesting results. |
| 19:27.04 | d0uglas | all right i'll get the new hd |
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| 19:27.20 | karsten | d0uglas: Losing data sucks. Been there, done that. |
| 19:27.21 | d0uglas | run smartctl?? then i'll have to man all this stuff |
| 19:27.32 | peterS | !be smartctl barbie |
| 19:27.32 | dpkg | smartctl is hard! |
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| 19:28.03 | karsten | d0uglas: You can always repurpose the drive as scratch / tmp if you want to use it until it dies. You'll lose a session's worth of stuff but nothing worse than a system crash would do. |
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| 19:28.22 | wpiku | xingu, I made a bind from /dev to /sid/dev |
| 19:28.26 | wpiku | then I rm -rf /sid |
| 19:28.27 | d0uglas | on another subject, i cannot decide on a font for my x terminal... which way do i want to swing it, the handwriting-like fonts or the console-like ones |
| 19:28.29 | wpiku | which deleted all the devices |
| 19:28.37 | wpiku | I'm not using devfs or udev because it's an m68k sarge system |
| 19:28.42 | peterS | hmm, I don't know a /sid/dev but I know a siddarth |
| 19:29.02 | d0uglas | karsten: do faster rpm drives wear out faster, and which is better in general, seagate or hitatchi |
| 19:29.05 | wpiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.10 | wpiku | but now I'm setting up buildd properly |
| 19:29.23 | karsten | d0uglas: smartctl -t short /dev/hda; sleep 120; smartctl -t long /dev/hda; sleep $(( 2400 )); smartctl -H /dev/hda |
| 19:29.33 | karsten | d0uglas: YMMV. |
| 19:29.34 | d0uglas | ahh ty, gonna bang that in now |
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| 19:29.44 | wpiku | karsten, no devfs on m68k :-P |
| 19:29.47 | karsten | d0uglas: If you'd like to provide me with a test lab and drives, I'll tell you ;-) |
| 19:30.00 | karsten | wpiku: man MAKEDEV |
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| 19:30.08 | d0uglas | !ymmv |
| 19:30.09 | dpkg | hmm... ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 19:30.11 | karsten | wpiku: Should regenerate everything. |
| 19:30.12 | d0uglas | ahh |
| 19:30.22 | wpiku | karsten, yeah I was just pointing out my situ.. I am running MAKEDEV generic and it's still going |
| 19:30.26 | wpiku | so it's probably doing something good |
| 19:30.48 | karsten | seagate tends to be pretty good, 'cept that they've now got Maxtor, which have been crap to me. Hitachi IIRC picked up IBM's disk drive ops, which were usually pretty good. |
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| 19:30.51 | karsten | wpiku: OK. |
| 19:31.10 | xingu | wpiku: yeep, that's going to hurt; that's one of those things you just shouldn't do. :) |
| 19:31.24 | karsten | So, NASA's proposed a manned asteroid mission ... |
| 19:31.27 | d0uglas | and toshiba hds? |
| 19:31.29 | karsten | ... or "Jocks to the Rocks". |
| 19:31.48 | karsten | d0uglas: Um. Or was it Toshiba that got IBM? Can't remember. |
| 19:31.52 | d0uglas | laptop ones specifically |
| 19:31.59 | peterS | I don't know that drive RPM speeds necessarily correlate with MTBF. they do affect power consumption (good to know on a laptop) and of course access speed |
| 19:32.08 | xingu | wpiku: tbh its probably best to just unpack base somewhere and copy it from there |
| 19:32.39 | karsten | peterS: It also affects angular velocity, momentum, torque, and precession if you like to move your drives around a lot (happens on laptops). |
| 19:32.48 | d0uglas | got an emachines laptop, included a toshiba hard drive which died on me, scrapped a viao which happened to have the exact same hd, popped it in, a three-foot vertical drop later ... |
| 19:32.52 | karsten | peterS: ... somewhat offset by smaller drive diameters, which should improve things. |
| 19:33.15 | peterS | karsten: heh, is the gyroscope effect noticeably different between 4200, 5400, 7200 RPM laptop drives? |
| 19:33.27 | d0uglas | emachines have a reputationn for overheating.. does heat make hard drives sad |
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| 19:33.45 | peterS | it can |
| 19:33.48 | karsten | peterS: Is your bike notably more stable at 4.2, 5.4, and 7.2 MPH? |
| 19:34.00 | karsten | d0uglas: heat makes drives *very* sad. |
| 19:34.18 | peterS | d0uglas: not in the sense of making them fail immediately, but you can expect shorter MTBF if your drive is always running way too hot |
| 19:34.35 | karsten | d0uglas: Seagate IIRC has a really nice whitepaper on that. |
| 19:35.26 | d0uglas | <-- thinking of just getting a new laptop altogether.. url for a list of linux friendly laptops? |
| 19:35.53 | karsten | d0uglas: http://www.lenovo.com/ |
| 19:36.17 | peterS | karsten: I've heard some of the newest thinkpads aren't as good as the older ones, though. I mean in general, not necessarily from a linux-friendly pov |
| 19:36.25 | karsten | d0uglas: IBM's Thinkpad line. The T41 was top-rated by Linux Journal for a couple of years running. Pricy but damned nice. |
| 19:36.30 | karsten | peterS: Right, I was getting to that. |
| 19:36.56 | magyar | is firefox 2.X in sid? |
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| 19:37.00 | karsten | Lenovo got a serious earful when they announced that they were not going to focus on the Linux market. Very publicly backtracked shortly after. |
| 19:37.06 | karsten | !tell magyar about search |
| 19:37.16 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Hola. |
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| 19:37.35 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... or diadhuit! |
| 19:37.56 | d0uglas | which is less evil, ati or nvidia? |
| 19:38.04 | CharminTheMoose | karsten,nice,where'd ya learn that?you irish? |
| 19:38.05 | karsten | d0uglas: Intel, generally. |
| 19:38.21 | d0uglas | what about matrox |
| 19:38.22 | Ikurus | I have a question :o |
| 19:38.23 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Irish-descended friend w/ a grasp of gaelic. |
| 19:38.25 | d0uglas | heard someone mention matrox |
| 19:38.34 | Ikurus | might sound a bit silly, but: |
| 19:38.40 | azeem | d0uglas: for notebooks? |
| 19:38.40 | karsten | d0uglas: Matrox is OK. |
| 19:38.44 | CharminTheMoose | karsten,cool. |
| 19:38.44 | karsten | Ikurus: Just ask. |
| 19:38.47 | smallfoot- | karsten, Lenovo got the Lowest score (1.3) of all on Greenpeace e-waste list. http://vendors.bluwiki.org/go/Vendors#Lenovo |
| 19:38.47 | karsten | !tell Ikurus about ask |
| 19:38.59 | d0uglas | azeem: well, that's what i need |
| 19:39.08 | Ikurus | is it possible to emulate windows under a xserverless debian install? |
| 19:39.09 | magyar | that hellped alot |
| 19:39.11 | peterS | smallfoot-: wtf is e-waste |
| 19:39.11 | Ikurus | using vmware? |
| 19:39.13 | CharminTheMoose | hmm |
| 19:39.13 | karsten | smallfoot-: Not atypical of asian countries in general. |
| 19:39.16 | smallfoot- | petemc, electronic-waste |
| 19:39.17 | azeem | d0uglas: I haven't heard of Matrox-powered notebooks in years |
| 19:39.22 | peterS | smallfoot-: like high power consumption? |
| 19:39.25 | d0uglas | eye candy speaking.. want to get my 3D desktop effects on, maybe a little transparency fun too |
| 19:39.32 | karsten | Ikurus: Sure, with a virtualized X server. Eg: under a VNC session or similar. |
| 19:39.34 | Eulex | Ikurus, no idea, but qemu can run headless |
| 19:39.36 | smallfoot- | peterS, no use of toxic chemicals |
| 19:39.45 | karsten | peterS: pollution associated with electronics manufacture. |
| 19:39.47 | peterS | smallfoot-: what's "e-" about toxic chemicals? |
| 19:39.47 | Eulex | Ikurus, that is, without any X server at all |
| 19:39.56 | Ikurus | ahh cool |
| 19:39.56 | smallfoot- | peterS, electronic |
| 19:39.58 | wpiku | xingu, eh, it's fine.. I'll know there's an issue if it won't boot next time :-P |
| 19:40.06 | peterS | smallfoot-: I thought you meant physical chemicals |
| 19:40.12 | Ikurus | what kind of licence is qemu? |
| 19:40.12 | karsten | peterS: It's regards the area of manufacture, not the nature of pollutants. |
| 19:40.15 | Ikurus | is it free :o |
| 19:40.19 | smallfoot- | peterS, chemicals in the PCB |
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| 19:40.25 | smallfoot- | hazardous metals etc |
| 19:40.27 | Eulex | Ikurus, it's free |
| 19:40.30 | karsten | Ikurus: GPL. !DFSG for the kqemu extension. |
| 19:40.31 | wpiku | at least rm -rf /dev != dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd() (don't run me!) |
| 19:40.39 | peterS | smallfoot-: see, to me, the e- prefix either means "crap" as in "e-machines", or it means electronic, as in not physical |
| 19:40.45 | azeem | wpiku: eh? |
| 19:40.46 | Ikurus | ahh, nice |
| 19:40.49 | Ikurus | thankyou people :D |
| 19:40.50 | smallfoot- | peterS, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_waste |
| 19:41.03 | peterS | so electronic waste would be, uh, I guess spam? |
| 19:41.05 | karsten | wpiku: Linux is *surprisingly* amenable to gross filesystem abuse. But don't go there if you don't have to. |
| 19:41.06 | smallfoot- | heh |
| 19:41.14 | Eulex | Ikurus, however, by default it doesn't virtualize, instead it emulates. there are various extensions available to make it virtualize instead, though. |
| 19:41.18 | karsten | !lose peterS |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | peterS: You Lose. |
| 19:41.25 | peterS | spam spam spam spam |
| 19:41.27 | bonez39 | I just ran apt-get dist-upgrade...it is upgrading exim4...which I rely on for Mailman processing...how does one interpret the file when choosing D, to show both files plus their respective differences? |
| 19:41.30 | CharminTheMoose | one thing that i find great fun to do is to explain the difference between freeware and free software and watch as the persons brain's grind to a halt |
| 19:41.35 | CharminTheMoose | 'spluuh' |
| 19:41.37 | Ikurus | hmm whats the diffrence between the two? |
| 19:41.43 | Ikurus | ahh wait |
| 19:41.52 | Ikurus | emulates = allows you to run windows programs? |
| 19:41.55 | peterS | Ikurus: 'freeware' does not imply anything in particular about software freedom. just means you don't have to pay for it |
| 19:41.57 | karsten | bonez39: It's standard diff output. If you want you can sdiff <conffile> <conffile>.dpkg-new |
| 19:42.04 | Ikurus | virtualizes makes it look windowsey? |
| 19:42.14 | peterS | oh you're asking about virtualisation, not about freeware |
| 19:42.18 | karsten | Ikurus: emulates == provides what looks to the OS running on the emulator a real HW system. |
| 19:42.37 | bonez39 | karsten, well, I notice some lines have + and some - ...and some nothing at the beginning of the line.... |
| 19:42.47 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: How does a stopped brain grind to a halt in the first place? |
| 19:42.54 | karsten | bonez39: man diff |
| 19:43.19 | Eulex | Ikurus, emulate = runs slower than native but can emulate whatever system with whatever system as host. virtualize = runs not much slower than native but needs the host os and the emulated os to run on the same architeture |
| 19:43.23 | Ikurus | hmmm, I think I get it |
| 19:43.32 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:it's a metaphor!.....yes,of course it is.yes............ |
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| 19:44.21 | CharminTheMoose | ahhhhhhh my eyes |
| 19:44.27 | bonez39 | metaphorically speaking.. |
| 19:45.38 | bonez39 | karsten, ok, I'll check the diff manpage....if I want at a later date to use the exim.template.conf file debian has upgraded, versus the one I have now, is that upgraded file stored somewhere so I can switch it in? |
| 19:46.06 | CharminTheMoose | stupid spoon of a person is making me lag severly because of him printing large ammounts of chinese characters on my screen |
| 19:46.38 | karsten | bonez39: In general, $conffile.dpkg-<state> |
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| 19:47.17 | karsten | bonez39: They're not removed (until replaced by a newer package-supplied conffile), you'll find <state> may be "orig", "dist", "new", or "old" IIRC. |
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| 19:49.40 | CharminTheMoose | what is the furthest away from looking like windows that a window manager is? |
| 19:50.10 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: probably pwm or ion or ratpoison |
| 19:50.39 | tonyb2006 | whats the thing that ubuntu has thats like an OSD for volume control keys on the keyboard or a laptop |
| 19:50.48 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: and olvwm is pretty dorky looking too |
| 19:50.54 | tonyb2006 | and can my debian boxes have it too |
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| 19:51.51 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: program manager |
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| 19:52.34 | amphi | cockroach: or wmii |
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| 19:54.59 | lunitik | tonyb2006, I think thats a Kubuntu thing only...... |
| 19:55.09 | tonyb2006 | regular ubuntu has it |
| 19:55.13 | tonyb2006 | im sure of that |
| 19:55.26 | blondie | #ubuntu ;) |
| 19:55.30 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: What peterS said. Maybe matchbox. |
| 19:56.07 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 19:56.25 | CharminTheMoose | windowmaker,imo is pretty non windows like |
| 19:56.28 | CharminTheMoose | i use it infact |
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| 19:57.18 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: karsten used to have a screenshot showing windowmaker being _quite_ windows-like |
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| 19:57.52 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... check 'em out yourself. I use WindowMaker, Enlightenment is pretty slick and can look very out there, KDE is highly themable and can look very different, dittos fvwm. twm is minimalist and old-school clunky. The *boxes are also simple & elegant. Tabbed windowmanagers (ion, pwm) are pretty different in their approach to windows. Matchbox is designed for PDAs and only shows one active window at a time. |
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| 19:58.16 | karsten | peterS: That's actually XPde, an XP-like environment, now defunct project AFAICT. |
| 19:58.23 | peterS | karsten: ahhh, I thought it was wmaker |
| 19:58.34 | myren | whats the ram based fs called? tmpfs? |
| 19:58.34 | peterS | myren: yes |
| 19:58.36 | karsten | peterS: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png |
| 19:58.41 | myren | ah, man mount |
| 19:58.59 | karsten | peterS: ... as contrasted with http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png |
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| 20:00.41 | CharminTheMoose | hey karsten,thanks for that quite comprehensive run down of the various WMs out there |
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| 20:01.04 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: For a while there I liked to keep tabs on them. |
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| 20:01.31 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: I'm running KDE at work under RHEL4 as sort of a best of a bad bunch scenario. It's not terribly bad, particularly on anything resembling modern HW. |
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| 20:02.05 | d0uglas | i hate to repeat but... |
| 20:02.08 | d0uglas | Hi. Running gnome-terminal in kde. How can I specify which browser gnome-terminal uses when launching urls? It's not paying attention to what i have set in the kontrol panel or whatever |
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| 20:02.12 | CharminTheMoose | yeah,i personally don't really warm to Kde for some reason |
| 20:02.27 | Jari | hi, I have a question about the debian's package repositories, how updated are they? I can find quite old packages, for example only python2.4 but not 2.5 |
| 20:02.39 | karsten | d0uglas: Try gnome-control-center maybe? Or gconf. Or don't run gnome-terminal, it sucks. |
| 20:02.40 | d0uglas | #kde doesn't know, ##gnome doesn't know, #kubuntu doesn't know... only abrotman knew at one point and he's afk |
| 20:02.56 | xingu | Jari: are you looking in pool/ ? |
| 20:02.58 | myren | you forgot scary |
| 20:02.59 | karsten | It's "R" xvt. |
| 20:03.03 | d0uglas | karsten: you know of another tabbed x console thingy that launches urls? |
| 20:03.11 | d0uglas | rvxt, huh. |
| 20:03.16 | karsten | !tell Jari about search. |
| 20:03.24 | Jari | xingu I dont know what that is |
| 20:03.26 | karsten | d0uglas: bash. |
| 20:03.30 | karsten | d0uglas: ... in screen. |
| 20:03.52 | d0uglas | well of course screen, that goes without saying |
| 20:03.56 | d0uglas | it's in my .bashrc |
| 20:04.03 | karsten | d0uglas: ?? |
| 20:04.07 | xingu | d0uglas: update-alternatives x-www-browser ? |
| 20:04.14 | karsten | d0uglas: You launch screen in your .bashrc? |
| 20:04.21 | d0uglas | yeah, what of it |
| 20:04.31 | d0uglas | oh |
| 20:04.36 | d0uglas | well i seem to be getting away with it |
| 20:05.03 | karsten | d0uglas: with appropriate tests it could work. For noninteractive shells, it's needless overhead. |
| 20:05.56 | karsten | peterS: fyi xpde appears not totally dead but progressing slowly. Dev release in May of this year. |
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| 20:06.56 | bathat | hi |
| 20:07.11 | d0uglas | yay i got it, gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 20:07.15 | d0uglas | now i can page up and fire up that lenovo url |
| 20:07.21 | bathat | i'm using the debian nvidia kernel |
| 20:07.28 | d0uglas | ... launching it in a new tab too so i dont lose my pron |
| 20:07.33 | bathat | and it causes my system to freeze |
| 20:07.47 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 20:07.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:08.26 | xingu | the age-old question, is non-free really debian |
| 20:08.42 | Loto | no its unbuntu |
| 20:08.44 | Loto | ;P |
| 20:09.02 | bathat | i was finally able to get the debian nvidia driver to work last night after getting help here |
| 20:09.08 | bathat | but it's very unstable for me |
| 20:09.23 | bathat | my system will gradually slow down and eventually freeze |
| 20:09.30 | d0uglas | Loto: I dont think i've ever stuck my tongue out at someone while winking at them but it does seem intriguing |
| 20:09.54 | xingu | sounds like it would be prone to accidents with drool |
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| 20:10.07 | CharminTheMoose | do we really need all of this super cool ass 3d uberness such as beryl and compiz? |
| 20:10.34 | bathat | is that a rhetorical question... |
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| 20:10.43 | bathat | guess not |
| 20:10.46 | bathat | no we don't |
| 20:10.54 | bathat | linux is turning into mac |
| 20:10.59 | d0uglas | CharminTheMoose: The best way to get your fill of that cool ass uberness is to youtube compiz or xgl (or video.google.com too), watch it for like eight minutes, them boom it's suddenly old |
| 20:11.02 | xingu | yep, gotta get those shaders running full tilt, chowing down the amps, it's your patriotic duty |
| 20:11.02 | bathat | but it is pretty cool |
| 20:11.03 | d0uglas | no configging needed |
| 20:11.51 | d0uglas | google just set aside 118 million to "indemnify youtube" (cough lawsuit budget) |
| 20:12.12 | d0uglas | i bet that will get eaten up pretty quick |
| 20:13.05 | CharminTheMoose | yeah,i suppose it's cool for a certain time |
| 20:13.26 | CharminTheMoose | but how many people want to be able to bend their applications in different ways? |
| 20:13.36 | karsten | d0uglas: I'd heard ~$150m at GMSV. |
| 20:14.04 | pumpkin0 | xingu: compiz is a really light 3D-load. It works w/o any problems on old underclocked M7 radeons ... w/o heating up the chip. |
| 20:14.24 | d0uglas | hmm... /me googles goog |
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| 20:14.50 | karsten | d0uglas: http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/ |
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| 20:15.34 | CharminTheMoose | imo 3ddesktop is pretty cool and it's not a memory hog |
| 20:16.06 | bathat | do the debian pre-built kernels come with rivafb built-in |
| 20:16.07 | bathat | ? |
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| 20:16.47 | afaik | hello... I forget, how to you set env variables in bash? .bash_profile? |
| 20:16.49 | bathat | it doesn't seem to |
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| 20:17.22 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: it is eyecandy. Not usefull, just nice looking. But we have 2D-prog running in a 3D-desktop. If we had 3D progs in a 3D desktop ... |
| 20:17.22 | afaik | YEAH |
| 20:17.22 | afaik | that's where |
| 20:17.30 | pumpkin0 | afaik: /etc/profile ? |
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| 20:20.08 | jatt | afaik: you can set them in .bashrc too. |
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| 20:21.41 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: trolls dont sue big comps like google. If google is hit, then it will be a bigger giant-vs-giant thing. |
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| 20:22.00 | afaik | what is it to see the current absolute path to where you are... in bash? |
| 20:22.09 | odla | wow etch rc1 installer? |
| 20:22.16 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: and like IBM vs SOC vss the-rest-of-the-world it will take a very long time. |
| 20:22.30 | CBG | afaik: pwd ? |
| 20:22.31 | pumpkin0 | afaik: "pwd" |
| 20:22.44 | CBG | w00t, I got something right. :D |
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| 20:24.52 | |ryan| | Is there a way to add two numbers in a POSIX shell? |
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| 20:25.11 | d0uglas | pumpkin0: google got sued and lost by Perfect 10, a porn mag, for thumbnails |
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| 20:25.32 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: do you have any idea how big perfect 10 is ? |
| 20:25.40 | d0uglas | can't say i do |
| 20:25.57 | d0uglas | all i know is that it's impossible to gnutella their stuff because 10 and perfect is in many different files :( |
| 20:26.13 | d0uglas | s/gnutella/gtk-gnutella :) |
| 20:26.57 | |ryan| | google didn't completly lose against perfect 10... they're appeling |
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| 20:27.38 | d0uglas | you sure about that ryan? if i were google i'd just kinda let that slide and not attract attention to suing google successfully |
| 20:27.41 | afaik | here's a BRILLIANT website: http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ |
| 20:27.48 | afaik | lol... an alternative to match.com I suppose |
| 20:27.56 | d0uglas | afaik: not aas brilliant as http://grouphug.us |
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| 20:28.56 | abrotman | d0uglas: knew what? |
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| 20:29.10 | |ryan| | echo $((1+1)) < woot |
| 20:29.14 | afaik | heh... Release Date: 6-14-26 |
| 20:29.20 | d0uglas | abrotman: gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 20:29.29 | abrotman | i've told you so many times :) |
| 20:29.40 | d0uglas | the second time you got it kinda fuzzily |
| 20:30.09 | abrotman | d0uglas: because i didn't have a gnome box handy |
| 20:30.10 | d0uglas | but i finally found it thanks in part to find|grep gnome|grep default|grep app (as i don't know the conventional find syntax) |
| 20:30.37 | CharminTheMoose | one really nasty window manager is the UDE Unix Desktop Environment... |
| 20:30.49 | CharminTheMoose | I'd laugh if Unix actually used it |
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| 20:31.51 | pumpkin0 | |ryan|: man bash => "/Arithm" |
| 20:32.12 | |ryan| | pumpkin0: bash is not a POSIX shell |
| 20:32.23 | smallfoot- | oh, didnt know |
| 20:32.26 | smallfoot- | what is a POSIX shell? |
| 20:32.27 | |ryan| | it has lots of extensions |
| 20:32.31 | pumpkin0 | |ryan|: the math works the same way ... |
| 20:32.52 | |ryan| | actualy |
| 20:33.03 | abrotman | bash is a POSIX shell |
| 20:33.08 | |ryan| | in bash, $[...] also does arithmatic expansion. |
| 20:33.10 | asg | s/is/can be/ |
| 20:33.11 | jatt | |ryan|: from the bash man page: |
| 20:33.12 | jatt | "Bash can be configured to be POSIX-conformant by default." |
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| 20:33.36 | |ryan| | yeah, what I ment to say is that bash supports things beyond posix |
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| 20:34.00 | abrotman | but it is still posix compliant |
| 20:34.15 | jatt | oh I thought you said something totally different. That's ok. |
| 20:34.15 | |ryan| | yes, i know... I misspoke |
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| 20:36.10 | robin_sz | is there an IRC channel for open office? |
| 20:36.19 | asg | robin_sz: #debian-oo |
| 20:36.28 | robin_sz | ta |
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| 20:36.46 | CharminTheMoose | what's that popular textmode irc client? |
| 20:36.52 | asg | CharminTheMoose: irssi |
| 20:36.54 | pumpkin0 | OK, my turn: is there channel for wine ? |
| 20:36.55 | robin_sz | asg, empty room |
| 20:37.00 | asg | pumpkin0: #winehq |
| 20:37.04 | jatt | CharminTheMoose: emacs erc of course ;) |
| 20:37.15 | pumpkin0 | asg: thanks |
| 20:37.35 | asg | robin_sz: there might be one on oftc.net but I'm not sure offhand |
| 20:38.48 | robin_sz | mm k' |
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| 20:39.59 | Ikurus | can anyone help me out with installing qemu? |
| 20:40.08 | tonyb2006 | sudo apt-get install qemu? |
| 20:40.28 | Ikurus | I'm getting the error: |
| 20:40.28 | Ikurus | Could not configure '/dev/rtc' to have a 1024 Hz timer. This is not a fatal |
| 20:40.28 | Ikurus | error, but for better emulation accuracy either use a 2.6 host Linux kernel or |
| 20:40.28 | Ikurus | type 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' as root. |
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| 20:40.37 | Ikurus | oh, sorry :o |
| 20:40.40 | robin_sz | asg, seems not ... |
| 20:40.57 | Ikurus | well not installing it as such, but installing the windows on it |
| 20:41.27 | Supaplex | Ikurus: just do as it says. what's so hard about it? |
| 20:41.27 | Ikurus | but cat /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq gives me: cat: /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq: No such file or directory |
| 20:41.32 | asg | robin_sz: ah well. Maybe try -oo later perhaps. |
| 20:41.37 | Ikurus | Do I create that file, or what? |
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| 20:41.53 | Charminthemoose | oh man,irssi is weird |
| 20:42.01 | Supaplex | Ikurus: is /proc mounted? |
| 20:42.06 | robin_sz | asg, yeah, maybe ... there must be support for open office SOMEWHERE ? |
| 20:42.09 | craigevil | the oo channel with the most devs is #OpenOffice.org although its not Debian specific |
| 20:42.15 | Ikurus | Hmm, I'm not sure :o |
| 20:42.39 | asg | robin_sz: mailing lists maybe; check the website and see if there is some official, but unknown to asg, irc channel or list. |
| 20:42.42 | niles | if my motherboard is of intel chipset, does that mostlikly mean, that my modem is an intel chipset ? |
| 20:42.49 | Supaplex | Ikurus: anything in /proc? (don't paste. this a yes|no question) |
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| 20:42.56 | niles | scanModem didnt find it |
| 20:42.58 | craigevil | robin_sz: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Communication |
| 20:43.06 | Supaplex | niles: modem could be anything |
| 20:43.08 | Ikurus | yes it is |
| 20:43.20 | niles | it's an off the shelf PC but ok |
| 20:43.30 | Supaplex | Ikurus: lsmod | grep rtc show anything? |
| 20:43.46 | Ikurus | genrtc 9332 0 |
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| 20:44.48 | Supaplex | Ikurus: it seems loaded, but I'm not sure that's the right module or not. google around to see if you discover any new ideas. |
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| 20:45.45 | jelly-home | Ikurus: what kernel are you running? |
| 20:45.48 | Supaplex | Ikurus: that message qemu is discussing relates to what ordinary users can set as the fastest real time clock signal. sysctl might have some options to, but it would depend... |
| 20:46.06 | Charminthemoose | !test |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:46.14 | Ikurus | hmm |
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| 20:46.28 | bonez39 | when I apt-get install a package...how can I find the location of the various items in that package...the conf.dpkg-... files and such? |
| 20:46.34 | par-joha | Hello. I'm trying to 'rmmod nvidiafb', but is seems that the module is in use. How can I find out what's using it? |
| 20:46.42 | centrx | bonez39 dpkg -L <package name> |
| 20:47.06 | centrx | par-joha lsmod |
| 20:47.17 | bonez39 | centrx, as root or user or does it matter? |
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| 20:47.25 | centrx | bonez39 doesn't matter |
| 20:47.31 | centrx | bonez39 it's just reading package data, any user can do that |
| 20:47.43 | par-joha | centrx: 'myth:/usr/src# lsmod | grep nvidiafb' gives me 'nvidiafb 55012 1' |
| 20:47.50 | jelly-home | par-joha: console framebuffer? I don't know of a way to disable that once it's loaded. You'll have to blacklist it and reboot |
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| 20:48.30 | centrx | par-joha it should have something after it, the name of another module |
| 20:48.40 | bonez39 | centrx, ok, what I specifically want to know is where apt-get installed exim4.conf.dpkg-new .. -old...those files? |
| 20:48.42 | centrx | par-joha what module is it |
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| 20:49.00 | par-joha | centrx: nvidiafb |
| 20:49.23 | centrx | bonez39 that would likely be in /etc/exim4 |
| 20:49.26 | centrx | par-joha see jelly-home's comment |
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| 20:49.39 | centrx | par-joha that may be hooked directly into the display output |
| 20:49.44 | par-joha | centrx: will do :) |
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| 20:50.04 | CharminTheMoose | what usenet readers are out there? |
| 20:50.10 | abrotman | GUI or text? |
| 20:50.11 | par-joha | jelly-home/centrx: Thanks for your time! |
| 20:50.15 | asg | CharminTheMoose: apt-cache search usenet |
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| 20:50.21 | Akiyuki | My brother downloaded 2 update ISO images yesterday by mistake, he needed the regular images for install.... can he install from an update cd? |
| 20:50.50 | abrotman | no |
| 20:50.51 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 20:50.51 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 20:51.27 | Akiyuki | I guess I will have to download it for him :P he is on satelilite |
| 20:51.54 | Akiyuki | abrotman, is debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso a bootable disc installer? |
| 20:51.59 | abrotman | NASA lets him install stuff ? |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | should be .. but i'd really use the netinst |
| 20:52.37 | jamonation | any idea why a machine of mine won't allow ssh login from my home machine, but it will from practically any other? |
| 20:52.40 | Akiyuki | He can't do a netinstall because of his limited bandwidth. |
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| 20:52.50 | Akiyuki | He is only allowed 175mb in a 4 hour period |
| 20:52.56 | abrotman | that's goofy |
| 20:53.20 | pumpkin0 | Akiyuki: download the full ~15 cd set. The first one is bootable. |
| 20:53.34 | Ikurus | I think its 2.6 |
| 20:53.38 | abrotman | oh ffs .. don't get all 15 |
| 20:53.40 | Akiyuki | I'm getting http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso and http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-2.iso for him right now. |
| 20:53.43 | Ikurus | in /boot it says |
| 20:53.52 | abrotman | Akiyuki: at least get a recent set |
| 20:54.12 | Akiyuki | abrotman, Is there something wrong with that one? It's under -current ? |
| 20:54.18 | abrotman | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 20:54.52 | Akiyuki | dang |
| 20:55.05 | Akiyuki | I've almost got them done downloading, should I cancel and fetch those images? |
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| 20:55.48 | abrotman | probably |
| 20:55.55 | klasikahl | hi is it just me or is the latest sarge apache install script borked? |
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| 20:56.57 | abrotman | klasikahl: that's a bit vague |
| 20:57.01 | GoAuLd | how to limit computer resources used by users ? is it possible to assign a maximum of 20% mem + 20 % cpu per sec, to a certain user? |
| 20:57.24 | GoAuLd | and chroot him in a jail, so he/she doesnt see processes or anything from others |
| 20:57.45 | klasikahl | abrotman, ok.. well when trying to install apache the install script works up until the module select part at which point it bails "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" |
| 20:57.51 | centrx | GoAuLd read about quota |
| 20:57.52 | Ikurus | could the problem be caused by no Xserver ? |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | klasikahl: no other error ? |
| 20:58.09 | smallfoot- | GoAuLd, maybe with grsecurity kernel patch, idk |
| 20:58.20 | asg | GoAuLd: and 'help limits' |
| 20:58.30 | asg | erm 'help ulimit' |
| 20:58.30 | xingu | GoAuLd: the most practical way to do that is with a virtual machine of some description; xen, vmware server, kvm, etc. |
| 20:58.30 | klasikahl | abrotman, nothing pertinent... |
| 20:58.50 | abrotman | paste the whole thing |
| 20:58.51 | xingu | GoAuLd: resource limits will get you part of the way there but there will be gaps |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:58.54 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 20:59.18 | GoAuLd | oh |
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| 20:59.33 | GoAuLd | all of that sounds quite complicated |
| 20:59.54 | klasikahl | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4531 |
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| 21:00.10 | jamonation | GoAuLd: if you can do a debootstrap install you can do a xen install |
| 21:00.13 | GoAuLd | i was reading about chroot debootstrap and user mode linux, i got nothing clear about all of that |
| 21:00.33 | abrotman | nothing above that ? |
| 21:00.47 | asg | GoAuLd: yes, it is and generally isn't worth the hassle. Unix was designed for the hippy 'no, you go first, I insist' crowd. |
| 21:01.22 | abrotman | if you don't trust the user .. don't give them a login :) |
| 21:01.56 | xjkx | i wanted to use mysql, they told me to install mysql-server/client/query browser, its installed, how do i open the graphical thing? |
| 21:01.58 | xjkx | the query browser asks me for logins :s |
| 21:01.59 | smallfoot- | Please help add computer hardware manufacturers who are Linux/FOSS/competition/etc friendly or unfriendly to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 21:02.02 | xjkx | halp |
| 21:02.08 | abrotman | xjkx: you didn't install it |
| 21:02.09 | Akiyuki | Is the debian installer graphical, or text based? |
| 21:02.16 | abrotman | xjkx: and you sohuldn't |
| 21:02.19 | GoAuLd | may i trust the user, but i dont want him to suck "MY" resources, like cpu and Network bandwidth |
| 21:02.21 | asg | Akiyuki: text based |
| 21:02.22 | abrotman | Akiyuki: in sarge .. text-based |
| 21:02.31 | xjkx | abrotman, how should i install... |
| 21:02.32 | abrotman | smallfoot-: don't spam us |
| 21:02.41 | abrotman | xjkx: don't .. learn how to do it correctly |
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| 21:02.58 | xjkx | huh? |
| 21:03.15 | GoAuLd | it would be nice, a jail, asigned a 50% of everything (cpu, mem, inet badwith, space, etc) |
| 21:03.22 | GoAuLd | and the rest for me |
| 21:03.26 | abrotman | xjkx: you should not install it .. learn how to do it correctly |
| 21:03.49 | Akiyuki | asg, Is it fairly simple to use? My brother doesn't have a lot of experience using or installing linux. He has 2 hard drives, the primary/master drive runs Windows, and the second/slave he wants to dedicate to Debian. Will he be able to install debian to the slave, but install lilo/grub to the MBR of the first hard drive without any problems? |
| 21:03.56 | pumpkin0 | GoAuLd: about the cpu: use "nice" in a creative way. |
| 21:04.03 | xjkx | ehehe dude, i am needing to study to university, commands and such, practice, not to learn 'to learn' it correctly, abrotman |
| 21:04.11 | xjkx | so whatever, i need a gui to use mysql, halp |
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| 21:04.27 | abrotman | xjkx: so install one |
| 21:04.31 | asg | Akiyuki: it's as easy to install, if not easier, than Windows in most cases (unless braindead crap hardware is involved.) |
| 21:04.42 | asg | Akiyuki: check out the install manual at debian.org |
| 21:04.47 | klasikahl | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4532 |
| 21:04.49 | abrotman | though you should really be using postgresql |
| 21:04.50 | Akiyuki | ty :) |
| 21:04.53 | xjkx | sometimes it seems you are kidding me, abrotman , but i am patient, whats the name of the gui software? |
| 21:04.57 | klasikahl | beginning to end :) |
| 21:05.08 | abrotman | xjkx: apt-cache search mysql GUI ? |
| 21:05.19 | xjkx | lets see |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | klasikahl: check the BTS |
| 21:05.40 | klasikahl | bts? |
| 21:05.43 | abrotman | !bts |
| 21:05.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:05.55 | klasikahl | oh |
| 21:06.26 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:06.26 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 21:08.39 | xjkx | abrotman, found mysql-admin, but it asks me for a login, password, like if it was remotely, but its locally :> |
| 21:08.40 | n3kl | Hi. I am having trouble getting postfix to work on etch. I am following a howto on the postfix website. I have gotten to the point where I am trying to setup smtp authentication. When I try to telnet to the server, I get: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 21:09.01 | abrotman | xjkx: i can't help you there .. i don't know your password |
| 21:09.27 | n3kl | I think the issue is that postfix runs in a chroot. I have added the following to fstab: /var/run/saslauthd /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd auto bind 0 0 |
| 21:09.43 | klasikahl | abrotman, i figured it out... i'm downgrading a friend's box here and the version of debconf was incompatiable with the install script |
| 21:09.58 | n3kl | I thought this would take care of the issue, but I amstill getting the message. Does anyone have any ideas as to where to look for the issue or how to correct the problem, please? |
| 21:10.18 | abrotman | klasikahl: was it in the bts ? |
| 21:10.19 | GoAuLd | isnt user mode linux better than xen ? |
| 21:10.48 | Ikurus | hmm, im sorry to ask again, but I have tried googling. I'm trying to install windows 2000 on a xerverless debian setup, and am gettting this problem: Could not configure '/dev/rtc' to have a 1024 Hz timer. When I try cat /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq it tells me the file dosnt exsist. |
| 21:10.50 | klasikahl | abrotman, no... i found a related bug from august that said a similar error had to do with a bug in debconf that they were working on so i figured there must hvae been a version change... |
| 21:11.02 | abrotman | oh |
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| 21:11.38 | GoAuLd | verb googling isnt correct, and though that word is patented! u cant use it |
| 21:11.42 | klasikahl | abrotman, i guess it's not really a bug... i mean it's my friend's fault for going stable=>testing=>stable :P |
| 21:11.46 | Daveman | Good afternoon, abrotman :) |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:12.03 | Daveman | Enjoying the weather, are we? |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | !tell GoAuLd about u |
| 21:12.21 | abrotman | Daveman: it's okay .. i helped a coworker move today .. i think i'm going hiking in reading tomorrow |
| 21:12.29 | Daveman | ah, cool |
| 21:12.33 | abrotman | depends |
| 21:12.36 | Daveman | Sounds like you've got plans at least :) |
| 21:12.42 | Supaplex | GoAuLd: you can use google as a verb, as long as you're not using it to describe their compitition. it's on their blog |
| 21:13.06 | Daveman | heehee, hey Supaplex :D |
| 21:13.14 | GoAuLd | oooh, thats cool |
| 21:13.16 | GoAuLd | :D |
| 21:13.22 | Supaplex | it's the Daveman! wazzup? |
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| 21:13.51 | robin_sz | hiking? in reading? !! ... weird |
| 21:13.59 | Daveman | :) |
| 21:14.02 | abrotman | robin_sz: reading, pa ? |
| 21:14.11 | GoAuLd | so a company is telling us how can or cannot use a word |
| 21:14.22 | abrotman | they own the word |
| 21:14.22 | robin_sz | not reading the crap town near Basingstoke in England then? |
| 21:14.31 | abrotman | no |
| 21:14.52 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading%2C_Pennsylvania |
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| 21:15.13 | Ikurus | hehe, so im not allowed to use the word 'googling'? |
| 21:15.30 | Supaplex | Ikurus: depends on how you use it. |
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| 21:15.40 | robin_sz | I suspect it might be registered as a trademark |
| 21:16.49 | GoAuLd | if you use that word when using microsoft' search engine u are comit9ing crime |
| 21:16.49 | GoAuLd | punishable by international laws |
| 21:16.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:16.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:16.58 | Daveman | abrotman, yeah I was rather surprised today... |
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| 21:17.06 | robin_sz | that reminds me, I must hurl some abuse at google for fscking up totally my login/account |
| 21:17.07 | Daveman | it cooled off a lot, since just yesterday :) |
| 21:17.10 | Daveman | \o/ |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | Daveman: oh yeah .. a good bit cooler |
| 21:17.29 | Ikurus | what happned robin_sz |
| 21:17.36 | Daveman | I know, I'm so enthusiastic of this new found cold weather. |
| 21:17.42 | abrotman | shut it! |
| 21:17.53 | Daveman | pfft |
| 21:17.55 | Daveman | screw you :p |
| 21:18.07 | Supaplex | !punish Daveman with -70c weather |
| 21:18.10 | Daveman | YAY |
| 21:18.20 | Daveman | like CO2(s) I am! |
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| 21:18.30 | Supaplex | :) |
| 21:18.34 | Daveman | ^_^ |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | pretty much .. below 70F .. and i don't go outside :) |
| 21:18.36 | Daveman | :) |
| 21:18.38 | robin_sz | Ikurus, I logged in .. it said I needed to "upgrade" from an adwords login to a "universal" google login or some such, I did, and contiunued the session. I then tried to log in next time, it failed, it wont email a password to me, its messed up beyond all belief. |
| 21:18.46 | Daveman | abrotman, do YOU have 150% humidity days of summer? Hmm? |
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| 21:18.54 | Daveman | abrotman, you're just chilly :p |
| 21:18.55 | abrotman | Daveman: i love them |
| 21:19.01 | Daveman | abrotman, omgdie :( |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | Daveman: i am .. my normal body temp is a little bit lower than average |
| 21:19.17 | Daveman | Well, you're the other 1% of the population. |
| 21:19.36 | Daveman | abrotman, that doesn't say anything. |
| 21:19.45 | Daveman | oh well, don't worry, you're still cool :) |
| 21:19.49 | robin_sz | low rate metabolism ... |
| 21:19.52 | Daveman | we still like you. |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | i'm happiest when it's 90-95F and 70% humidity .. and i'm outside doing stuff |
| 21:20.02 | Daveman | I've always had an abnormally high metabolism. |
| 21:20.06 | robin_sz | probably cant eat much without putting on pounds |
| 21:20.09 | Daveman | I'm always hot! |
| 21:20.09 | buu | abrotman: Move to houston =] |
| 21:20.13 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:20.22 | Daveman | buu, no phoenix, so he can burn to a crisp :D |
| 21:20.23 | abrotman | i have a decent metabolism .. |
| 21:20.26 | _Brandon_ | hi, i'm using debian sid, after boot my ip is set to 169.x.x.x even if i use static ip |
| 21:20.29 | Daveman | abrotman, uh huh |
| 21:20.31 | abrotman | buu: i've thought about it |
| 21:20.31 | buu | Daveman: Phoenix lacks humidity =[ |
| 21:20.32 | Daveman | you're cold |
| 21:20.37 | Daveman | buu, EXACTLY! |
| 21:20.42 | abrotman | Daveman: poor circulation oddly |
| 21:20.51 | Daveman | buu, a good place to move the unbelievers actually :) |
| 21:20.52 | robin_sz | drink beer! |
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| 21:20.54 | abrotman | my toes/fingers get cold ... |
| 21:20.55 | Daveman | abrotman, weird |
| 21:20.58 | buu | Daveman: Strong call. |
| 21:21.00 | Daveman | abrotman :\ |
| 21:21.02 | robin_sz | dialtes the arteries .. helps blood move |
| 21:21.02 | Daveman | buu :] |
| 21:21.03 | abrotman | robin_sz: eat cayenne pepper |
| 21:21.08 | robin_sz | euuuw |
| 21:21.09 | Daveman | haha |
| 21:21.12 | robin_sz | beer is better |
| 21:21.13 | Daveman | birds |
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| 21:21.21 | abrotman | robin_sz: trust me .. i get enough beer :) |
| 21:21.31 | Ikurus | _Brandon_ :o |
| 21:21.43 | Daveman | heh heh |
| 21:21.43 | buu | Heh. Am I the only frigging person who doesn't like beer? |
| 21:21.51 | abrotman | _Brandon_: sounds like it's trying to set DHCP .. but failing to work .. and setting that IP |
| 21:21.52 | abrotman | buu: no |
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| 21:22.01 | buu | abrotman: Are you sure? |
| 21:22.02 | abrotman | buu: but the others are nuns |
| 21:22.06 | buu | abrotman: =[ |
| 21:22.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:22.13 | Daveman | PUNY HUMONS! |
| 21:22.27 | Daveman | such retards, oh noes, what do we do with all our toxic waste?? |
| 21:22.34 | abrotman | make beer! |
| 21:22.34 | Daveman | LAUNCH IT INTO THE SUN! \o/ |
| 21:22.39 | Daveman | winnar |
| 21:22.49 | Supaplex | sell it to the commies |
| 21:23.00 | Supaplex | wait.. that's a bad idea (tm) to |
| 21:23.09 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes but for example if i use dhcp i can see that i takes the right ip then something happen and i get the wrong one |
| 21:23.11 | abrotman | Daveman: of course .. the weird part of being cold is that i don't like wearing long sleeve shirts or socks |
| 21:23.18 | Daveman | o_O |
| 21:23.29 | Daveman | because you're obstinate? |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | or pants really |
| 21:23.39 | Daveman | O_o |
| 21:23.42 | abrotman | i'd rather spend my time barefoot, shorts and tshirt |
| 21:23.52 | Supaplex | and naked? |
| 21:23.59 | abrotman | i don't mind that |
| 21:24.11 | Daveman | fucking abrotman :P |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | _Brandon_: so DHCP takes it .. then something takes over ? |
| 21:24.16 | Supaplex | in sub 0 weather? |
| 21:24.19 | abrotman | NO! |
| 21:24.27 | Daveman | I do :D |
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| 21:24.35 | Daveman | less the nekkey part :p |
| 21:25.12 | Daveman | agreed :p |
| 21:25.27 | abrotman | btw .. who decided it was okay to let ex-playboy bunny jenny mccarthy make a santa movie ? |
| 21:25.34 | Daveman | o.O |
| 21:25.37 | Daveman | about? |
| 21:25.41 | abrotman | santa .. duh |
| 21:25.55 | abrotman | that's right folks .. someone made a santa movie about thanksgiving |
| 21:25.56 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: name of the movie ? link ? fan-site ? |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:26.08 | GoAuLd | !wtf |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | http://imdb.com/title/tt0772185/ |
| 21:26.36 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes because this happend also if i set static ip, i've made a script that start at the end of the boot and reset the ip and it's ok, but there is something wrong anyway with the bootup |
| 21:26.37 | Supaplex | but there's no video torrent there ;) |
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| 21:26.47 | abrotman | _Brandon_: is it a laptop ? |
| 21:26.52 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: no |
| 21:26.55 | Daveman | haha these kids just got owned |
| 21:27.04 | Daveman | haha woman died |
| 21:27.12 | Supaplex | ? |
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| 21:27.25 | abrotman | _Brandon_: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:27.26 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:27.27 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 21:28.23 | Supaplex | !burp |
| 21:28.25 | andrivid | Hello? |
| 21:28.25 | rabbit7 | hey there.. i kinda fucked up my package system, is there a way to fix it ? |
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| 21:28.31 | andrivid | Im having trouble with a debian cd |
| 21:28.37 | azeem | rabbit7: depends on the problem |
| 21:28.39 | Daveman | !abrotman |
| 21:28.39 | dpkg | well, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 21:28.42 | Daveman | :) |
| 21:28.44 | rabbit7 | i deleted the /etc/apache2 dir and now i end up getting trouble when i try to install it |
| 21:28.50 | andrivid | I burnt an iso to a cd, but it isnt being read on boot |
| 21:29.12 | azeem | !confmiss |
| 21:29.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 21:29.19 | azeem | rabbit7: ^^ |
| 21:29.33 | rabbit7 | azeem: im trying to remove apache and apache2 completele |
| 21:29.45 | abrotman | okay .. so wht doesnn't work ? |
| 21:29.47 | sep | rabbit7, then use purge when you remove the packages |
| 21:29.58 | rabbit7 | thanx alot |
| 21:29.58 | azeem | rabbit7: why? I thought you want to install it |
| 21:30.02 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4536 |
| 21:30.04 | abrotman | rabbit7: is it failing because it can't delete those files ? |
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| 21:30.25 | IronM | good evening :) |
| 21:30.26 | andrivid | Anyone have a solution to a burned ISO not being seen at boot? |
| 21:30.34 | abrotman | _Brandon_: and you want eth2 to be the default route ? |
| 21:30.44 | Supaplex | !tell andrivid -about repeat |
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| 21:30.53 | sep | andrivid, check the md5 of the cd, against the md5 of the iso. against the md5 on the page whe re you dl it |
| 21:30.57 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes |
| 21:31.06 | abrotman | _Brandon_: are you IRCing from the box ? |
| 21:31.08 | Supaplex | andrivid: did you set your bios settings for boot on cd? |
| 21:31.16 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes |
| 21:31.17 | andrivid | I have the EFI system |
| 21:31.30 | abrotman | why does lo have an IP and netmask ? |
| 21:31.36 | Supaplex | andrivid: what platform? |
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| 21:31.44 | andrivid | Intel Itanium 2 |
| 21:31.48 | andrivid | HP zx2000 |
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| 21:31.58 | Supaplex | how do you normally boot off cds? |
| 21:31.59 | abrotman | andrivid: burn it slower |
| 21:32.03 | LinuxHelp | !beryl |
| 21:32.03 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 21:32.05 | andrivid | i burnt it at 3x |
| 21:32.09 | IronM | andrivid: I had some problem with the download and the correct MD5 sum .. first after rsnyc download I've get both DVD-Images with the correct sum |
| 21:32.11 | andrivid | how mucyh slower do i have to go |
| 21:32.12 | azeem | LinuxHelp: please /msg the bot |
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| 21:32.23 | IronM | rsync ... |
| 21:32.34 | LinuxHelp | azeem, dpkg told me to keep it in the channel |
| 21:32.39 | IronM | andrivid: 4x and DOA |
| 21:32.39 | sep | andrivid, and the md5 sums check out ? |
| 21:32.42 | azeem | eh? |
| 21:32.50 | abrotman | _Brandon_: and eth2 has the 169 address ? |
| 21:32.50 | andrivid | ohh |
| 21:32.50 | LinuxHelp | :P |
| 21:32.50 | andrivid | i burnt it RAW |
| 21:32.50 | andrivid | and 3x |
| 21:32.52 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: no he didn't |
| 21:32.58 | IronM | OPS andrivid: 4x and DAO |
| 21:33.03 | andrivid | i thought i was supposed to use RAW |
| 21:33.07 | azeem | LinuxHelp: what did you do and what was the reply? |
| 21:33.08 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes after booting |
| 21:33.15 | LinuxHelp | azeem, jks nm |
| 21:33.22 | andrivid | ill try 4x DAO |
| 21:33.23 | andrivid | thanks |
| 21:33.24 | abrotman | _Brandon_: do you have a dhcp server on the box ? |
| 21:33.47 | rabbit7 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:33.47 | rabbit7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.58 | rabbit7 | thats all i get when i install apache with the above options |
| 21:34.18 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes but it doesn't start automatically with the system |
| 21:34.22 | azeem | rabbit7: nothing between the line you type and that line? |
| 21:34.32 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: i just use it sometimes |
| 21:34.54 | IronM | I have one question refer to customizing of installation CDs for Debian ... what I need are the base system and only few packages .. do you have any idea how to customize the install CDs of debian? |
| 21:35.03 | codesta | anyone know how to get the 65:0 midi port? is there a certain parameter i have to pass to the alsa modules? i have awesfx installed with soundfont loaded but still no 65:0 port |
| 21:35.12 | andrivid | Also, what is the latest stable debian version? |
| 21:35.14 | rabbit7 | http://pastebin.ca/251945 |
| 21:35.26 | Supaplex | andrivid: topic |
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| 21:35.44 | Kim^J | Which version of KDE is used in Etch ? |
| 21:35.45 | Daveman | ILLEGAL DUMPING |
| 21:35.59 | IronM | andrivid: the latest stable is sarge 3.1-4 |
| 21:36.01 | abrotman | Kim^J: use packages.debian.org |
| 21:36.11 | IronM | andrivid: the latest stable is sarge 3.1 r4 |
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| 21:36.24 | Kim^J | abrotman: It doesn't use the KDE version system. |
| 21:36.24 | abrotman | _Brandon_: if you boot the system ... and then run /etc/init.d/networking restart .. does it work ? |
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| 21:36.56 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes i've made a script that did it |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | !info kdeutils etch |
| 21:37.04 | dpkg | kdeutils: (general purpose utilities from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 21:37.09 | azeem | rabbit7: you might have to hack the pre or postinst |
| 21:37.11 | abrotman | Kim^J: happy ? |
| 21:37.15 | azeem | rabbit7: do you want to have apache installed or not? |
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| 21:37.18 | Kim^J | abrotman: 3.5.5 ahh |
| 21:37.31 | rabbit7 | i dont want to install apache |
| 21:37.36 | rabbit7 | and ii want to install apache2 |
| 21:37.37 | abrotman | _Brandon_: do the other IPs get done correctly ? |
| 21:37.38 | Kim^J | abrotman: Thanks alot. Will dump this Ubuntu anytime soon then. :D |
| 21:37.43 | orfeu | hello i'm interested to know under what user is started apache server ... because I whant to give acces just of apache to write in /var/www |
| 21:37.49 | azeem | rabbit7: did you try dpkg -P apache? |
| 21:37.50 | Kim^J | rabbit7: apt-get install apache2 then? |
| 21:37.54 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yes |
| 21:37.59 | Daveman | oh snaps |
| 21:38.30 | orfeu | :) cool some one else have question about apache :) |
| 21:38.30 | abrotman | _Brandon_: and you have no dhclient or pump running on boot ? |
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| 21:38.59 | orfeu | hello i'm interested to know under what user is started apache server ... because I whant to give acces just of apache to write in /var/www |
| 21:39.02 | Guerin | orfeu: apache is www-data in debian |
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| 21:39.11 | Guerin | orfeu: we heard the first time |
| 21:39.26 | orfeu | hmmm but whre is write that ? |
| 21:40.18 | andrivid | i have 31r3 business card i believe |
| 21:40.20 | pumpkin0 | Supaplex: md5 check save a lot of cds ... |
| 21:40.20 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: no just the one that is used by networking i think |
| 21:40.20 | Supaplex | it's cdrw. |
| 21:40.20 | andrivid | And what do i do if it says "non-debian cd detected"? |
| 21:40.22 | abrotman | _Brandon_: look in your init scripts |
| 21:40.25 | IronM | I have one question refer to customizing of installation CDs for Debian ... what I need are the base system and only few packages .. do you have any idea how to customize the install CDs of debian? |
| 21:40.27 | orfeu | <Guerin> where is write that apache is running under www-data ? |
| 21:40.31 | IronM | - |
| 21:40.32 | IronM | I have one question refer to customizing of installation CDs for Debian ... what I need are the base system and only few packages .. do you have any idea how to customize the install CDs of debian? |
| 21:40.33 | IronM | - |
| 21:40.45 | rabbit7 | azeem: i think that did it |
| 21:41.04 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 21:41.04 | dpkg | custom netinst is, like, http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 21:41.14 | andrivid | Hey i have an odd question.......i am a C++ developer....are there any parts of debian that is done in C++? |
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| 21:41.30 | Supaplex | all of it ;) |
| 21:41.35 | andrivid | No seriously |
| 21:41.38 | orfeu | :) |
| 21:41.39 | valdyn | andrivid: kde, plenty more |
| 21:41.41 | andrivid | Is any of it? |
| 21:41.41 | Tux | yes |
| 21:41.43 | niles | folders are refusing to open in kde |
| 21:41.44 | Guerin | andrivid: wtf |
| 21:41.45 | buu | Firefox.. |
| 21:41.45 | pumpkin0 | andrivid: >50% |
| 21:41.47 | Tux | check kdevelop out |
| 21:41.48 | andrivid | I thought it was all C |
| 21:41.50 | jatt | andrivid: kde |
| 21:41.55 | andrivid | LOL |
| 21:41.58 | Guerin | andrivid: debian includes stuff in virtually every programming language there is |
| 21:42.07 | andrivid | Im not talking about the Desltop environemnts..im talking about debian itself... |
| 21:42.14 | orfeu | :)) |
| 21:42.21 | valdyn | andrivid: what's 'debian itself' ? |
| 21:42.23 | niles | the last thing i did was force a quit on firefox because my the stop button was not working, |
| 21:42.25 | abrotman | he means like debconf and aptitude etc |
| 21:42.27 | andrivid | So even a java programmer could program under-the-hood? :P |
| 21:42.31 | Guerin | andrivid: you mean the debian-specific parts? |
| 21:42.38 | Tux | he speacking of the base system |
| 21:42.45 | valdyn | andrivid: nothing at all, probably |
| 21:42.51 | andrivid | I mean the kernel, and stuff between the kernel and Graphical Desktop Environments |
| 21:42.55 | valdyn | andrivid: in the base system and debian specific things |
| 21:43.02 | Guerin | andrivid: wtf |
| 21:43.06 | Supaplex | oop fetish? |
| 21:43.08 | andrivid | LOL |
| 21:43.11 | Guerin | the kernel is C, all linux kernels are |
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| 21:43.13 | andrivid | i think my question is answered |
| 21:43.13 | abrotman | andrivid: like aptitude ? dpkg? |
| 21:43.23 | andrivid | well yeah stuff like that |
| 21:43.28 | niles | never mind. one just decided to pop up. but that was a miniute ago. sigh |
| 21:43.33 | jatt | andrivid: download the source and see yourself |
| 21:43.35 | andrivid | everything above the kernel |
| 21:43.36 | Guerin | most of debian's specific utilities are C and perl, though some are ruby and python and sh |
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| 21:43.42 | andrivid | oops my cd is burnt |
| 21:43.42 | andrivid | brb |
| 21:43.51 | jatt | ? |
| 21:43.52 | Guerin | ... |
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| 21:44.38 | agent | is there a way to bypass "kernel is too old" when doing chroot besides upgrading kernel? |
| 21:45.15 | Guerin | agent: depends why it thinks that |
| 21:46.06 | Feax | what is the command for list all usb connected and know the letter of my external HDD ? (sdb1, sdc1, etc) ? |
| 21:46.31 | Guerin | Feax: dmesg, fdisk -l |
| 21:46.34 | agent | Guerin: well, the booted system uses 2.4 but im trying to install a system that uses 2.6 and chroot into it (im debootstrap'ing) - using a new kernel is not really possible |
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| 21:47.06 | Supaplex | screw it. I may as well forget and relarn everything related to burning... |
| 21:47.17 | valdyn | agent: you should be bootstrapping a 2.4 system then and upgrade that system once its running itself |
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| 21:47.38 | Feax | with dmesg, what need I to grep for my external HDD ? |
| 21:47.40 | Guerin | agent: hm. Install a 2.4 kernel on the chroot system, upgrade later |
| 21:47.59 | Guerin | Feax: -i usb |
| 21:48.07 | Guerin | Feax: you might want to go a few lines either side |
| 21:48.30 | Guerin | Feax: the other thing is that you can just plug it out, then tail -f /var/log/dmesg, then plug it back in |
| 21:48.34 | valdyn | guess one could mess with udev to give udev disks special names too |
| 21:48.38 | abrotman | grep -i scsi ? |
| 21:48.51 | agent | well, the problem is that the current system is a livecd (customized) that i need to use to install a new system... i installed debootstrap and even had it work (until it errors out chroot'ing) |
| 21:49.16 | Feax | thanks Guerin |
| 21:49.25 | Supaplex | I must be in the dark ages. is atapi burning in cdrecord more stable then ide-scsi? |
| 21:49.27 | agent | Guerin: would'nt i have the same problem if i had a normal 2.4 system installed then tried to install a 2.6 based on in chroot? |
| 21:49.44 | Guerin | agent: no idea. |
| 21:50.11 | valdyn | agent: 2.6 exposes new features compared to 2.4 kernels, but ( except for very few drivers ), 2.4 offers no features that 2.6 has not, so no |
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| 21:50.46 | valdyn | agent: uh, i misunderstood,surely you'd have the same issues |
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| 21:50.50 | agent | valdyn: im confused, what are you saying? |
| 21:50.55 | agent | valdyn: hehe, ok :D |
| 21:51.07 | agent | valdyn: so is there a workaround? |
| 21:51.08 | KyleH | on debian, my glxgears does not properly display the fps to the terminal (stdout) - anyone know how to fix that? |
| 21:51.28 | valdyn | agent: use a 2.6 based livecd or bootstrap a 2.4 based system |
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| 21:51.49 | chj | KyleH : glxgears isn't a reliable FPS test |
| 21:52.03 | agent | valdyn: i was afraid of that :D... actually 2.6 based live cd would be nice but i cant find one that i require |
| 21:52.13 | KyleH | chj:. I agree - but find it odd that text to stdout does not appear in my terminal |
| 21:52.14 | valdyn | KyleH: thats working as intended, its NOT A BENCHMARK, run 'strings /usr/bin/glxgears | iack' to see the switch to enable fps display |
| 21:52.25 | valdyn | KyleH: thats working as intended, its NOT A BENCHMARK, run 'strings /usr/bin/glxgears | grep iack' to see the switch to enable fps display |
| 21:52.32 | chj | but you can run glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 21:52.39 | valdyn | chj: pff |
| 21:52.53 | loca|host | doing a debootstrap on a mounted hard disk, does it enable the disk to be bootable ? |
| 21:52.55 | chj | sorry. |
| 21:52.56 | chj | :-) |
| 21:53.06 | valdyn | loca|host: no |
| 21:53.19 | KyleH | lol - my real question is: "How do I run a program in terminal and have text to stdout appear in that terminal also?" |
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| 21:53.42 | valdyn | KyleH: that's the default, your glxgears just does not print anything to stdout by default |
| 21:53.53 | KyleH | valdyn:. ok thank you |
| 21:54.09 | valdyn | KyleH: chj wasnt joking.. |
| 21:54.38 | KyleH | valdyn:. lol I see that now |
| 21:54.47 | abrotman | -printfps |
| 21:54.51 | KyleH | worlds craziest switch |
| 21:55.38 | abrotman | RMS as a woman .. that's the world's craziest switch |
| 21:56.01 | loca|host | valdyn, so how to get a bootstrap on the disk ? |
| 21:56.17 | jatt | I thought craziest switch was |
| 21:56.17 | jatt | touch -- "-hi" |
| 21:56.27 | valdyn | loca|host: eh? you knew that, did you want to ask how to make it bootable? |
| 21:56.42 | loca|host | valdyn, yes |
| 21:57.00 | danIG | abrotman, what is RMS? |
| 21:57.10 | valdyn | loca|host: enter the chroot with chroot, install a bootmanager from there manually |
| 21:57.21 | sussudio | danIG: Rectal Messaging System |
| 21:57.29 | abrotman | !rms |
| 21:57.29 | dpkg | somebody said rms was Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" , or see <vrms> |
| 21:57.30 | valdyn | loca|host: like 'grub-install /dev/whatever' |
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| 21:57.51 | valdyn | loca|host: dont forgot to add a kernel and the grub package first.. |
| 21:58.17 | Brian_R | Where can I get a list of what packages are on what CD's? I only have 3 blank discs, and have to choose which of the discs I burn til I can buy some more. |
| 21:58.23 | danIG | abrotman: you mean because of the beard? |
| 21:58.36 | valdyn | Brian_R: why? do you not have internet access? |
| 21:58.46 | abrotman | think about it quietly |
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| 21:58.53 | Brian_R | The computer I'm wanting to put Debian on has no network card, no. |
| 21:58.55 | loca|host | valdyn, grub-install /dev/whatever, in the chroot jail ?? |
| 21:59.02 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 21:59.02 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 21:59.04 | loca|host | valdyn, i think grub-install ./ |
| 21:59.05 | valdyn | loca|host: yea |
| 21:59.24 | valdyn | loca|host: no, grub gets installed to a block device |
| 22:00.53 | Supaplex | I guess wodim can use dev=/dev/hdb to burn to atapi cdrw drives. just a vague vieled reference in the man page. humph. |
| 22:01.17 | Kevin` | Supaplex ya, like cdrecord could ;p |
| 22:01.21 | valdyn | Supaplex: yea it can, the original author is anal about that |
| 22:01.25 | Kevin` | and discouraged too, for some silly reason |
| 22:01.52 | loca|host | valdyn, i have a parent system on wich i've plugged another hard drive, mounted in /mnt/whatever and did a debootstrap sarge /mnt/whatever, so get the 'whatever' booting sarge, i should chroot into /mnt/whatever and do grub-install /dev/ where ?? |
| 22:01.56 | valdyn | Supaplex: feel free to submit an improved manpage ') |
| 22:02.16 | Supaplex | I will real soon (tm) |
| 22:02.19 | Supaplex | :P |
| 22:02.30 | valdyn | loca|host: whichever dev device your bios boots from |
| 22:02.54 | Kevin` | loca|host check /etc/mtab is sane before you do grub install |
| 22:03.07 | loca|host | valdyn, i see :) so it's not in the chroot jail |
| 22:03.12 | agent | is there a debian netinstall (or another minimalistic) is based on 2.4? |
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| 22:03.29 | valdyn | loca|host: it should be in the chroot jail |
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| 22:04.02 | Miles_Pr0wer | Hello, I have some issues I need to resolve. |
| 22:04.06 | loca|host | valdyn, i'll see once the debootstrap has ficnished :) |
| 22:04.09 | valdyn | loca|host: jail really is a funny word for this, a chroot system is just like a normal system in every aspect except that you chroot to it manually instead of the kernel doing it automagically |
| 22:04.15 | Supaplex | !tell Miles_Pr0wer -about ask |
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| 22:04.51 | Kevin` | the initrd uses chroot? (instead of pivot_root, or nothing)? |
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| 22:05.19 | Kevin` | I usually don't use one, so I wouldn't know :) |
| 22:05.22 | valdyn | Kevin`: whatever, same system call |
| 22:05.25 | loca|host | valdyn, it still a jail if you cant get back to "/home" :) |
| 22:05.33 | loca|host | till you exit ;) |
| 22:05.37 | valdyn | loca|host: aye |
| 22:05.43 | Kevin` | valdyn pivot_root is a different system call |
| 22:05.53 | Miles_Pr0wer | OK. I am attempting to get my Debian server on the internet directly, instead of through the router. Server can pull an IP from my router, get on the internet, fine. Can pull an IP from the modem, but does not get on the internet. (no DNS responses, can't even ping the known DNS addresses) |
| 22:06.02 | Kevin` | see pivot_root(2) |
| 22:06.19 | Brian_R | Hrm. The site shows package 'vim' as being on Disc 1 which I have in my laptop currently, and the CD's mounted. |
| 22:06.27 | Kevin` | and it affects all processes, not just the current one |
| 22:06.43 | Brian_R | E: Couldn't find package vim |
| 22:06.55 | Supaplex | Miles_Pr0wer: how are you connected? |
| 22:07.30 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex: At present, I am connected on my windows pc, to a linksys WRT-54G router running DDWRT(linux), that goes to a Cable modem that just uses DHCP. |
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| 22:07.48 | valdyn | Kevin`: just the current process |
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| 22:08.11 | valdyn | Kevin`: you're right though, different system call. |
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| 22:08.40 | Supaplex | oh, so you're attempting to bridge the ethernet on cable for the server through the linksys. Are you using the uplink on the linksys? That generally doesn't bridge. |
| 22:08.44 | Kevin` | pretty sure it affected all processes. i'll have to test that later sometime |
| 22:09.05 | agent | is there a debian netinstall iso containing kernel 2.4 instead of 2.6? |
| 22:09.06 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex, Not Quite. I wish to be able to ditch the router, use the computer directly to the modem. |
| 22:09.26 | Kevin` | ditch the router? send it to me! |
| 22:09.30 | Kevin` | unless it's a v5/6 |
| 22:09.45 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex, Then i will use the Debian server AS my router. |
| 22:10.02 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex, to feed the roomie's windows boxes. |
| 22:10.16 | Kevin` | you have 2 ethernet cards in it, yes? |
| 22:10.21 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`, It's a fairly flaky WRT-54G V1.1 |
| 22:10.26 | Supaplex | Miles_Pr0wer: and send the linksys to me. ok. Do you have ethernet hearbeat, and you're using dhcp on the server? |
| 22:10.35 | Kevin` | Miles_Pr0wer i'd like that |
| 22:10.50 | valdyn | agent: it has both |
| 22:11.01 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`Yes, onboard gigabit Intel 1000 is ifrename'd eth0, PCI realtek 1000 is for rest of network. |
| 22:11.08 | agent | valdyn: doh... didnt realize that... thank you! |
| 22:11.58 | Kevin` | gigabit ethernet? mmm nice |
| 22:12.15 | Brian_R | I've browsed the list at http://alioth.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt . vim shows as being on disc 1. Debian Disc 1 (3.1 r3) is in the CD-ROM drive, and mounted. |
| 22:12.29 | Kevin` | Miles_Pr0wer what was your problem again? :) |
| 22:13.30 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`, When connected to the wrt, I can connect to the internet. If i disconnect the router, plug the modem directly to the server, and restart the modem.. I get an IP address from the modem, but nothing works internetwise. no pings to known DNS servers, no resolution either. my dns conf is correct. |
| 22:13.31 | Kevin` | Miles_Pr0wer what ip address does it get from your modem |
| 22:13.51 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`, one in the 65.*.*.* range |
| 22:14.10 | Kevin` | try resetting the modem, it could be remembering your router as The Device |
| 22:14.11 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`, my IP the router gets, is in the 72.*.*.* range. |
| 22:14.22 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin` I have done that each step of the way. |
| 22:14.24 | Kevin` | odd that it would give two though |
| 22:14.42 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`, when I connect the PC direct, the router is disconnected totally. |
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| 22:15.32 | Kevin` | I have a feeling this is an isp issue, but |
| 22:15.36 | Kevin` | what does rout -n say |
| 22:15.42 | Kevin` | route -n * |
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| 22:18.04 | Miles_Pr0wer | Right now i couldn't test it, as I have the router connected so this windows PC i am on right now, can get on the internet. |
| 22:18.14 | Miles_Pr0wer | Care to wait 5 mins while i try that? |
| 22:18.25 | ephemeros | yo \m/ |
| 22:18.28 | Kevin` | does it work if you connect the windows machine directly? |
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| 22:18.40 | Miles_Pr0wer | Kevin`, Yes. |
| 22:18.43 | Supaplex | Miles_Pr0wer: 1m |
| 22:18.51 | simon23 | hello, how can i save all installed programms to a file so that i can install all those programms later again ? |
| 22:18.58 | Supaplex | Miles_Pr0wer: you tried ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 to test/troubleshoot to right? |
| 22:19.02 | simon23 | (like an apt DB dump) |
| 22:19.19 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex, Yes. |
| 22:19.51 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex, Eth0 is DHCP, eth1 is static. |
| 22:20.05 | LinuxHelp | Hmm, my X11 just crashed when I ran beryl-manager for the first time. /var/run/Xorg.0.log just tells me it caught "signal 11". Beryl-manager's output just says it lost its connection to the X server. What should I do on my Debian Testing system? |
| 22:20.17 | Supaplex | Miles_Pr0wer: I've had issues with comcast long time ago, but I'm not on cable now. tcpdump show any traffic when you pull the iface manually? |
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| 22:21.06 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex.. Did you listen? I am at the moment, connected via the router. Do you wish me to disconnect, try that and come back? |
| 22:21.24 | Supaplex | Miles_Pr0wer: by all means. We'll be here. |
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| 22:21.48 | Miles_Pr0wer | Supaplex, Ok, installing TCPdump first. |
| 22:22.12 | Miles_Pr0wer | set up. |
| 22:22.15 | Miles_Pr0wer | brb! |
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| 22:27.17 | jngu1 | hello. |
| 22:27.25 | jngu1 | Can anyone help me with direct rendering? |
| 22:27.55 | Supaplex | vague? |
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| 22:28.02 | jngu1 | er. Sorry. |
| 22:28.06 | jngu1 | I have it enabled in xorg.conf |
| 22:28.14 | jngu1 | but glxinfo still reports direct rendering disabled. |
| 22:28.18 | jngu1 | not really sure how to proceed. |
| 22:28.19 | n3kl | what is the /etc/default folder for ? |
| 22:28.22 | jngu1 | I had it working at one point. |
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| 22:28.47 | Supaplex | n3kl: some init scripts keep your defaults there |
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| 22:30.08 | Miles_Prower | Ok, moment. |
| 22:30.26 | loca|host | wich architecture for a Pentium I ? 486 or 686 ? |
| 22:30.44 | _fr33man_ | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#See_Also |
| 22:30.51 | jngu1 | loca|host: me? |
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| 22:31.32 | loca|host | jngu1, ? |
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| 22:31.37 | _fr33man_ | pentium or pentium-mmx |
| 22:31.45 | jngu1 | pentium 3m? |
| 22:31.50 | Brian_R | Alright, my CD-ROM's mounted, I viewed the package lists at http://alioth.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt and found that vim was on disc 1. I have disc 1 in the CD-ROM And mounted. I'm currently looking at /etc/apt/sources.list on my laptop. |
| 22:32.11 | loca|host | _fr33man_, simple pentium |
| 22:32.12 | andreiutz | what do i need to install to use my wireless nic on my laptop ? |
| 22:32.25 | andreiutz | i have debian testing |
| 22:32.35 | _fr33man_ | so the arch is "pentium" |
| 22:32.35 | Miles_Prower | Yes, there was a lot in tcpdump |
| 22:32.36 | Miles_Prower | WhoHas things |
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| 22:33.02 | loca|host | _fr33man_, mmx isnt ? |
| 22:33.19 | valdyn | n3kl: configuration for programs that dont directly support config files for features changed there |
| 22:33.20 | _fr33man_ | depends if the cpu has mmx or not |
| 22:33.40 | _fr33man_ | check your cat /proc/cpuinfo if you have mmx |
| 22:34.34 | loca|host | _fr33man_, mmx isnt considered as pentium ? |
| 22:35.00 | Miles_Prower | http://tails.kicks-ass.net/tcpdump.txt |
| 22:35.03 | _fr33man_ | ? |
| 22:35.14 | _fr33man_ | you want the arch for your cflags, am i right? |
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| 22:35.43 | Miles_Prower | Supaplex, That's what came up when i brought eth0 up |
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| 22:37.04 | andreiutz | what do i need to install to use my wireless nic on my laptop ? OS: testing |
| 22:37.23 | valdyn | !tell andreiutz -about ask |
| 22:37.36 | Miles_Prower | Supaplex, When i am connected with router, i keep getting this IP 72.187.80.174. However, the server keeps getting one in the 65.*.*.* range |
| 22:37.40 | Lakez | is there a way to get "fslint" commandline installed? apt-get install fslint .. installs fslint-gui .. and I don't have X |
| 22:37.58 | valdyn | !tell Lakez -about search |
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| 22:38.29 | orfeu | !tell me -about search |
| 22:38.34 | orfeu | :) |
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| 22:39.03 | Lakez | valdyn: fslint - A toolkit to fix various problems with filesystems' data. |
| 22:39.09 | Lakez | installing it, only installs fslint-gui |
| 22:40.58 | valdyn | Lakez: file a bug report |
| 22:41.01 | sk | does anyone here know anything about data recovery after losing the file system info? |
| 22:41.37 | Lakez | looks like only /usr/bin/fslint-gui .. but i did find the fslint commandline in /usr/share/... i'll just use that |
| 22:42.07 | sk | I accidentally ran mke2fs over a disk partition and now my data's gone |
| 22:42.28 | andreiutz | i want to use my wireless inerface on my laptop(intel pro 2200 B/G . i have just installed testing . i don't know what tool i have to use to configure SSID , WEP , etc |
| 22:42.46 | valdyn | sk: restore from backup |
| 22:43.12 | valdyn | andreiutz: gnome? kde? |
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| 22:43.25 | valdyn | andreiutz: which debian release? |
| 22:43.26 | andreiutz | valdyn, gnome |
| 22:43.30 | sk | valdyn: ah, see, I didn't make one, yeah I know, I only backup my critical data, not other stuff |
| 22:44.15 | valdyn | sk: reinstalling is probably easiest then anyway, though you can still read the raw data off that disk |
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| 22:44.48 | sk | valdyn: what tool do I need to read/copy data off the partition? |
| 22:44.54 | valdyn | sk: dd |
| 22:44.59 | Kalist00 | is it just me of is it impossible to get 3D Accel in 8.29.06 ATI drivers to work with dual screen Xinerama Setup? |
| 22:45.01 | andreiutz | valdyn, i don't know what release . i did a net install 3 weeks ago and i turned it off until now . i thik is r3 |
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| 22:45.16 | sk | I tried testdisk but that didnt work, it just showed me an empty disk |
| 22:46.21 | valdyn | andreiutz: 'netapplet' probably serves your purpose, for systemwide configuration you should probably read 'man interfaces' |
| 22:46.54 | andreiutz | valdyn, thank you very much |
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| 22:51.10 | sk | valdyn: is there a good tutorial for using dd for data recovery, the man page is too concise? |
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| 22:52.38 | limpio | hi all, anybody knows of an app that will give me a menu of windows open like ratpoison or openbox? |
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| 22:54.50 | Miles_Prower | I wish Supaplex hadn't lied. |
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| 22:57.13 | loca|host | valdyn, debootstrap has finished, chrooted to the new installed system and dont know to wich device should i grub-install ? |
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| 23:00.20 | loca|host | valdyn, debootstrap has finished, chrooted to the new installed system and dont know to wich device should i grub-install ? |
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| 23:02.37 | valdyn | loca|host: to whatever your bios boots from |
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| 23:05.58 | loca|host | valdyn, in my /etc/mtab: proc /proc proc rw 0 0, sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 |
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| 23:07.27 | mike_ | Is Gnome 2.16 in sid? |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 23:07.48 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 23:07.57 | Hoxzer_ | can I have a list of few text editors that would have high ligh for c++ and bash and also support some basic features like copy paste (WM = fluxbox) |
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| 23:08.09 | abrotman | vim |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | anjuta does also ... but it's more of an IDE |
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| 23:10.23 | bronaugh | ok... slightly pathological question. |
| 23:10.40 | bronaugh | would it be sensible to mount an XFS partition where you care about the data "sync" or would that degrade performance horribly? |
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| 23:10.57 | abrotman | sync alwys degrades performance |
| 23:11.11 | abrotman | AFAIk anyways |
| 23:11.17 | bronaugh | yeah, but it's a question of "how much" |
| 23:11.22 | Hoxzer_ | ok, I guess I will use gvim |
| 23:12.10 | Feax | what can I use for write TCL scripts on linux ? |
| 23:12.14 | abrotman | vi |
| 23:12.22 | bronaugh | anything. |
| 23:12.46 | Feax | how to launch vim-tcl ? |
| 23:13.52 | andreiutz | valdyn, what does this means ? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nbPBAB93.html |
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| 23:18.18 | Tuxguy | What is the default desktop enviornment for Debian? |
| 23:18.24 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 23:18.45 | bronaugh | if you install "Desktop Environment" in tasksel, what do you get? |
| 23:18.48 | bronaugh | I think it's gnome, isn't it? |
| 23:18.51 | fandango512 | it seems like it gnome |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | it is gnome .. but there's no default |
| 23:19.19 | Tuxguy | oh ok, my brother just did an installation and it just aid "Desktop Enviorment" |
| 23:19.49 | fandango512 | If you will choose Desktop environment it will install gnome |
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| 23:20.40 | Tuxguy | ty |
| 23:20.47 | fandango512 | I used network install, so it was gnome for me,but you can install kde ,anytime useing aptitude :) |
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| 23:20.55 | bronaugh | is it actually unsafe to install grub on XFS, or is that just bellyaching. |
| 23:21.01 | blondie | why would you want KDE instead of gnome? |
| 23:21.16 | abrotman | the network isntall defintely doesn't install gnome |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | tasksel may .. but you shouldn't use that thing anyways |
| 23:21.28 | bronaugh | blondie: because it sucks less horse wang? |
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| 23:21.44 | andreiutz | i want to use my wireless inerface on my laptop(intel pro 2200 B/G . i am running debian testing . http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nbPBAB93.html |
| 23:22.19 | Miles_Prower | Supaplex, Why did you abandon me? |
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| 23:22.41 | jelly-home | andreiutz: is ipw2200 driver loaded? Did you download the firmware? |
| 23:22.58 | andreiutz | jelly-home, no , i don't know what to do |
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| 23:23.49 | Kalist00 | whats the file called to generate a xorg.conf? |
| 23:23.52 | andreiutz | jelly-home, how do i check if the driver is loaded |
| 23:23.53 | andreiutz | ? |
| 23:23.58 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 23:23.59 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 23:24.04 | Feax | which editor has features for coding and syntax highlighting ? |
| 23:24.07 | jelly-home | andreiutz: lsmod | grep ipw2200 |
| 23:24.19 | jelly-home | andreiutz: what release are you using, which kernel do you have? |
| 23:24.26 | bronaugh | Feax: vim, emacs, scite, and plenty of others. |
| 23:24.50 | fandango512 | abrotman: man, you definetly mistaken, if you will install from "netinst CD image(testing)" and in Installation process you will choose Desktop Environment" gnome will be installed |
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| 23:25.03 | fandango512 | not kde |
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| 23:25.10 | abrotman | fandango512: that's tasksel .. and noone should use that .. and that's not the "default: |
| 23:25.28 | bronaugh | abrotman: heh, if no one should use tasksel, why does the debian installer still use it? |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 23:25.48 | fandango512 | I don't use tasksel either |
| 23:25.52 | abrotman | you did!!!! |
| 23:26.02 | bronaugh | tasksel works; I appreciate that. |
| 23:26.08 | fandango512 | but the question was like, if I will chose thes what will happen |
| 23:26.09 | jelly-home | andreiutz: /msg dpkg ipw2200 should give some pointers. If you have a kernel >= 2.6.15 then you'd only need to download the firmware, the driver should already come with the kernel. |
| 23:27.04 | jelly-home | andreiutz: also try #ipw2100 and #wireless channels |
| 23:27.43 | andreiutz | jelly-home, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yjgDQx14.html |
| 23:28.18 | andreiutz | jelly-home, i did a net install for 3.1 r3 |
| 23:28.28 | jelly-home | andreiutz: so you apparently have the driver. |
| 23:28.34 | andreiutz | jelly-home, how do i see the kernel version ? |
| 23:28.58 | fandango512 | uname -r |
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| 23:29.46 | fandango512 | you will see kernel version :) |
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| 23:30.40 | bronaugh | oh, and as to why you shouldn't use gnome: I leave a machine running at work; it almost never gets used. Gnome taskbar applets regularly end up eating 50% of memory over the course of a month. |
| 23:30.44 | bronaugh | crrrrap. |
| 23:31.01 | bronaugh | KDE, by the way, does not do this. |
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| 23:31.53 | jelly-home | bronaugh: meh, xfdesktop from xfce eats my memory in a DAY! |
| 23:32.07 | bronaugh | jelly-home: yeah, that's pretty awesome |
| 23:32.07 | Seb | jelly-home: fluxbox ? sawfish ? |
| 23:32.15 | bronaugh | I leave ratpoison running for months on end, and it doesn't eat my memory. |
| 23:32.20 | jelly-home | Seb: what? No, I like xfce. |
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| 23:33.03 | Seb | jelly-home: eating memory in a day seems like a good reason to start disliking is, was my point |
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| 23:33.42 | andreiutz | i want to use my wireless inerface on my laptop(intel pro 2200 B/G . i am running debian testing . http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nbPBAB93.html |
| 23:33.43 | jelly-home | Seb: I'm just not arsed enough to debug it. pkill xfdesktop; xfdesktop & works |
| 23:34.13 | bronaugh | btw, why is it so deathly dangerous to have /boot on XFS? haven't received a reply, and I haven't found much onlinee |
| 23:34.33 | Seb | andreiutz: google knows about how to do this |
| 23:34.40 | Seb | jelly-home: or you could reboot, too. |
| 23:35.49 | loca|host | am installing a new sarge debian on a mounted hard disk, used debootstrap to get the system, then chrooted to it, apt-g'o't the grub and the kernel, my problem is that i dont know how to make my new hard disk bootable to plug it on my cdrom-less pentium I station and use debian on it |
| 23:36.08 | Seb | loca|host: just run grub form within the chroot |
| 23:36.18 | Seb | s/form/from/ |
| 23:36.35 | loca|host | Seb, ok ran it, got its terminal, what can i do there ? |
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| 23:36.45 | Seb | loca|host: no, you run grub-install |
| 23:36.51 | Seb | loca|host: or install-grub, can never remember |
| 23:36.51 | bronaugh | loca|host: grub-install? |
| 23:36.56 | bronaugh | yeah, it's grub-install |
| 23:37.06 | Seb | loca|host: that is, unless you know how to deal with the grub shell, which i somehow have a feeling you don't :> |
| 23:37.17 | loca|host | yes :) |
| 23:37.22 | jelly-home | andreiutz: have you tried the other channels mentioned? |
| 23:37.32 | loca|host | should i grub-install in the chroot or out of it ? |
| 23:38.10 | smallfoot- | I hope someone can add computer hardware manufacturers who are Linux/FOSS/competition/etc friendly or unfriendly to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 23:38.19 | andreiutz | jelly-home, how do i try other channel ? |
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| 23:38.21 | Seb | loca|host: can you please read what I'm typing |
| 23:38.31 | bronaugh | loca|host: you've got the device you want to install grub on as the second BIOS device right? |
| 23:38.33 | Seb | loca|host: because one thing I fucking hate is to have to repeat myself |
| 23:38.38 | jelly-home | andreiutz: just join them and ask there too. |
| 23:38.57 | bronaugh | loca|host: IIRC there's some kinky stuff you have to do to get grub to recognize that; could be wrong though. |
| 23:39.08 | loca|host | Seb, ! didnt understand the 'Within', am frensh |
| 23:39.17 | jelly-home | andreiutz: for example, type this in your irc client: /join #ipw2100 |
| 23:39.19 | Seb | loca|host: dedans le chroot ouais |
| 23:39.27 | andreiutz | o |
| 23:39.27 | Seb | loca|host: frenCh, too |
| 23:39.30 | loca|host | Seb, ok comme ca c mieux |
| 23:39.51 | andreiutz | jelly-home, oh , i thought you wanted me switch the wireless channel |
| 23:40.06 | loca|host | Seb, ok Seb the problem is the device name on wich to install the grub ! |
| 23:40.36 | loca|host | Seb, got only proc and sysfs in my /etc/mtab |
| 23:40.55 | loca|host | Seb, no /dev/h* in there |
| 23:42.00 | Seb | loca|host: you use the device name that your disk has outside the chroot |
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| 23:42.59 | loca|host | Se-chan, /dev/hdc: Not found or not a block device. |
| 23:43.04 | loca|host | Seb, /dev/hdc: Not found or not a block device. |
| 23:43.18 | loca|host | Seb, you said it, it's outside the jail ! |
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| 23:44.21 | loca|host | Seb, maybe this is more significant from outside the chroot : grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hp-disk/ /dev/hdc |
| 23:44.30 | Seb | loca|host: that's another option |
| 23:44.42 | Seb | loca|host: but you should be able to do it form within the chroot though |
| 23:44.56 | Seb | loca|host: it seems I can't remember th eright way to do that, though :) |
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| 23:45.19 | Seb | loca|host: anyway this --root-directory should work. Don't mistype, though, it could be dangerous :> |
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| 23:45.34 | Seb | loca|host: that's why usually it's preffered to do those type of things from within the chroot heh |
| 23:45.36 | CVirus | In my university's LAN there is an http proxy running that I must pass by inorder to access the internet ... Now, I want to ssh to my desktop PC at home .. How can I tunnel the ssh connection though this http proxy ? |
| 23:46.08 | loca|host | Seb, ok it said (hd0) /dev/hda and (hd1) /dev/hdc, is my disk bootable now ? can i plug it into the other station ? |
| 23:46.14 | Seb | CVirus: http tunnel, google it |
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| 23:46.28 | Seb | loca|host: you're gonna have to try that yourself, now ain't ya ? |
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| 23:46.44 | loca|host | Seb, :) |
| 23:47.07 | CVirus | Seb: http-tunnel the application ? |
| 23:47.09 | Seb | loca|host: ouais Francais |
| 23:47.11 | Seb | CVirus: yeah |
| 23:47.25 | CVirus | Seb: Thanks |
| 23:47.28 | Seb | loca|host: hrm you know you have to edit menu.lst in the chroot right ? |
| 23:47.32 | andreiutz | jelly-home, chek this out plshttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rr5xhh51.html |
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| 23:48.38 | loca|host | Seb, yes am doing |
| 23:48.41 | jelly-home | andreiutz: you need to download the firmware |
| 23:48.41 | Seb | loca|host: k |
| 23:48.50 | Malagmyr | How can I make X start with no core pointer attached? |
| 23:48.51 | Seb | aight, beaujolais time |
| 23:48.56 | Seb | cheers y'all |
| 23:49.29 | bronaugh | have fun. |
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| 23:50.58 | loca|host | Seb, i think i messed up with something ... i have no /vmlinuz and /initrd.img in the chroot |
| 23:51.05 | jelly-home | andreiutz: do a "modinfo ipw2200 |grep ^version" and choose firmware based on that version -> http://ipw2200.sf.net/ |
| 23:51.34 | andreiutz | jelly-home, thank you |
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| 23:58.06 | CVirus | Seb: htc: the destination of the tunnel must be specified. |
| 23:58.07 | CVirus | htc: try 'htc --help' for help. |
| 23:58.16 | CVirus | there is not such thing regarding it in the man page |
| 23:58.26 | gm152_ | . |
| 23:59.00 | loca|host | i want to install Etch on a CD-less workstation, i unplugged the hard disk, mounted it on my /mnt/cdless-station/, debootstrap an Etch Debian in it, grub-installed and didnt get /vmlinuz in the chroot, any idea ? |
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