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| 00:00.13 | Miles_Prower | OK! |
| 00:00.16 | Seb | loca|host: well shit, apt-get install linux-image-whatever, man |
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| 00:00.27 | Seb | ok i'm ready and off now... |
| 00:00.34 | Seb | bye y'all |
| 00:00.36 | Miles_Prower | When installing Arno's IPtables firewall, i get the following: |
| 00:00.43 | Miles_Prower | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 00:00.50 | Miles_Prower | How do I go about rectifying that? |
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| 00:04.45 | n3kl | HI |
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| 00:05.07 | n3kl | I just got postfixworking with authentication for sending and recieving, but its all plaintext, so I would like to enable tls |
| 00:05.24 | n3kl | since postfix runs in a chroot, I think that the certs are in teh wrong dir |
| 00:05.25 | bronaugh | you want SASL |
| 00:05.32 | bronaugh | oh, duh :P |
| 00:05.33 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 00:05.55 | n3kl | when I telnet domain.com 25 and starttls |
| 00:05.56 | n3kl | 454 4.3.0 TLS not available due to local problem |
| 00:06.10 | n3kl | I think thats what it means, that it cant find or read the certs |
| 00:06.17 | bronaugh | n3kl: do the logs say much? |
| 00:06.32 | n3kl | same things, jsut the tls not avilable |
| 00:07.09 | jelly-home | n3kl: sounds like you already know what's the problem, wny not add the certs to the chroot? |
| 00:08.17 | n3kl | so in the postfix/mailo.cf I have smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/newreq.pem and such. I have copied all of the files for the certs to the /var/spool/postfix/etc/postfix. I would think this would correct the issue |
| 00:08.21 | n3kl | but it has not |
| 00:08.34 | andreiutz | jelly-home, how do i load the firmware ? |
| 00:08.49 | bronaugh | n3kl: google the error message? |
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| 00:09.05 | n3kl | bronaugh: good idea, sorry |
| 00:09.16 | jelly-home | !tell andreiutz -about ipw2200 |
| 00:09.30 | bronaugh | n3kl: nah, no worries. I can be pretty dumb that way too. |
| 00:10.06 | qrusty | hi all!! I've got a begginer question |
| 00:10.12 | jelly-home | andreiutz: put it into /lib/firmware like the factoid says |
| 00:10.50 | qrusty | my kernel version is 2.6.18-3 and I need to install the kernel-headers |
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| 00:11.19 | qrusty | but in the repositiory there is no 18-3 version, but also 18-6 |
| 00:11.27 | qrusty | what can i do? |
| 00:11.36 | qrusty | update the kernel? |
| 00:11.39 | orfeu | when I connect with ssh how can I set the user name what is the argument for command ssh pls |
| 00:11.44 | jelly-home | andreiutz: then rmmod and modprobe the module again... dmesg should show something else now |
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| 00:14.15 | ericP | anyone have an madwifi driver (ath_pci) built for 2.6.18 686? (find out with $(find /lib/modules/2.6.18-2-686/ -name \*ath_pci\* -print)) |
| 00:14.33 | ericP | i'd build one but don't have space for kernel source on my tiny tiny disk |
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| 00:14.57 | qrusty | anyone to help me..please... |
| 00:15.17 | h3sp4wn | ericP: you just need module-assistant and the madwifi source |
| 00:15.35 | ericP | h3sp4wn, i don't need the kernel source as well? |
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| 00:16.08 | h3sp4wn | ericP: No just the headers |
| 00:16.40 | loca|host | can i mount a partition on the grub boot time ? |
| 00:16.45 | loca|host | using command line |
| 00:17.27 | h3sp4wn | ericP: maybe you don't even need those I don't see an obvious dependancy on them for madwifi |
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| 00:18.15 | Tuxguy | After installation, Debian is downloading a bunch of packages, like 500mb worth.... |
| 00:18.25 | Tuxguy | Is there a way to pause this? I'm in a terminal type window |
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| 00:20.28 | ericP | h3sp4wn, doing a bit of homework to see how to do this with module-assistant (not in madwifi instructions on http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi ) |
| 00:20.37 | h3sp4wn | Tuxguy: control a s |
| 00:20.49 | h3sp4wn | Tuxguy: control a z to unsuspend |
| 00:21.25 | Tuxguy | why is it downloading all of this? i thought that it was installable only off the discs? |
| 00:22.18 | h3sp4wn | ericP: Are you using etch sarge or sid ? |
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| 00:24.54 | mfrisch | Tuxguy: if you have the cds it can...you aren't selecting to use cd it sounds like\ |
| 00:25.06 | ericP | h3sp4wn, sid (though "unstable |
| 00:25.19 | ericP | " specified in my sources.lst) |
| 00:25.27 | Tuxguy | mfrish, it did the install... then after the install was complete it started downloading |
| 00:25.41 | Tuxguy | maybe it's updates |
| 00:25.43 | eurisko | what is BFD? |
| 00:25.47 | ericP | arg! tiny tiny disk and a wierd keyboard |
| 00:25.54 | Tuxguy | Because it went and got like OpenOffice..etc |
| 00:26.51 | mfrisch | Tuxguy: you need the cd line in sources and comment out anything else |
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| 00:27.31 | Tuxguy | hmm |
| 00:27.33 | Tuxguy | ty |
| 00:27.40 | cockroach | hi |
| 00:27.55 | h3sp4wn | ericP: should be simpler then (don't have to get madwifi-source from backports) its just in non-free |
| 00:27.59 | mfrisch | Tuxguy: or it will fetch from the Internet\ |
| 00:28.09 | Tuxguy | oh shit, well its almost done now |
| 00:28.10 | Tuxguy | :P |
| 00:30.33 | ericP | h3sp4wn, yeah, this is all going startlingly easily. i'm suspicious |
| 00:30.57 | Miles_Prower | Hmm |
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| 00:32.01 | ericP | h3sp4wn, aha. PREPARE went well, but i need to show this module-assistant front-end where madwifi-source is. didn't show up in (huge!) list |
| 00:32.37 | h3sp4wn | is madwifi-source installed ? |
| 00:33.08 | mfrisch | ericP: hhm I got a howto let me track it down... |
| 00:33.15 | ericP | h3sp4wn, oh yes it did. my display is just wierd and i couldn't read it |
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| 00:33.31 | ericP | mfrisch, i seem to be progressing again now |
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| 00:34.20 | mfrisch | ericP: I got it it's from there wiki. |
| 00:34.55 | loca|host | how to change the timezone and the keymap of my etch debian ? |
| 00:35.00 | h3sp4wn | m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi; modprobe ath_pci (then read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz) |
| 00:35.00 | ericP | mfrisch, tx |
| 00:35.12 | ericP | loca|host, tzconfig for timezone |
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| 00:36.12 | loca|host | and the keymap please ? |
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| 00:36.48 | cockroach | console keymap or X? |
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| 00:39.20 | mango | I need help with my wireless card please. I am running debian etch on ibm x31. previousely my card was running fine on debian sarge using drivers ipw2100. could any one help me or tell if there is any way I can install it please. I have tried install it using the same drivers can stuck. thanks |
| 00:39.47 | tonyb2006 | tell mango about doesn't work |
| 00:39.53 | tonyb2006 | !tell mango about doesn't work |
| 00:39.57 | cockroach | mango: do you have the latest firmware? |
| 00:40.03 | itchi | mango: have you tried on #ipw* ? |
| 00:40.37 | loca|host | ericP, it's install-keymap |
| 00:40.45 | mango | what do you mean? , I have tried installing ipw2100 can I am getting errors |
| 00:40.47 | loca|host | from console-data package |
| 00:41.13 | itchi | mango: Pastebin the error so us see it and can try to help you |
| 00:41.59 | mango | itchi: could you please tell me how and where to paste cause I do not think that is fine to paste in the forum |
| 00:42.21 | cockroach | !pastebin |
| 00:42.21 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 00:43.42 | ericP | mfrisch, h3sp4wn, almost there but $(iwconfig wifi0 essid W3C) gives me "Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : \n SET failed on device wifi0 ; Invalid argument." |
| 00:43.42 | mango | dpkg: thank |
| 00:43.42 | dpkg | no problem, mango |
| 00:44.00 | mango | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 00:44.01 | itchi | mango: dpkg is an bot, btw ;-) |
| 00:44.13 | ericP | loca|host, re install-keymap, tx. will save me futzing around with xmodmap |
| 00:44.24 | mfrisch | mfrisch: use wlanconfig ifconfig is for fine tunning |
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| 00:44.50 | mfrisch | ericP: use wlanconfig ifconfig is for fine tunning |
| 00:44.51 | itchi | mango: Tryout the link ;-) |
| 00:45.14 | cockroach | loca|host: i think you can just 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' (didn't follow the discussion, though) |
| 00:45.18 | mfrisch | itchi: ;-) |
| 00:46.13 | itchi | mango: You have forget to press the 'submit post' button there ;-) |
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| 00:46.57 | mango | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/252058 |
| 00:47.04 | itchi | mango: Good ;-) |
| 00:47.18 | mango | itchi: sorry, thanks:) |
| 00:47.41 | itchi | mango: modprobe ieee80211 |
| 00:48.10 | itchi | mango: And try again the 'make' or whatever there you was doing |
| 00:48.14 | vivithemage | i installed nvidia drivers using the one command and the screen is really dark and words look distorted if you look really close. any ideas? |
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| 00:48.24 | cockroach | itchi: why should loading a module help there? |
| 00:48.33 | itchi | cockroach: Because it's not yet loaded |
| 00:48.43 | loca|host | cockroach, it's a debootstrap install wich didnt include console-data |
| 00:48.44 | itchi | cockroach: Not install that of the website he tell there! |
| 00:49.22 | itchi | mango: Which kernel have you? Maybe i had need to ask too |
| 00:49.29 | cockroach | loca|host: ah, i see. then maybe apt-get install it? :) |
| 00:49.34 | mango | itchi: Modeprobe cameup with the following errit WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko': No such file or directory |
| 00:49.34 | mango | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko': No such file or directory |
| 00:49.56 | itchi | mango: Install the kernel source tree |
| 00:49.58 | Supaplex | is suidperl just suppose to be a symlink to perl? neither are suid? |
| 00:50.04 | mango | itchi:2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:50.18 | itchi | mango: install linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:50.19 | cockroach | mango: install the corresponding kerner-headers package |
| 00:50.38 | cockroach | okay, first of all i meant kerneL, then it's linux-headers :) - i'll just shut up... |
| 00:51.14 | itchi | cockroach: It's the same ;-) kernel, linux at this stage |
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| 00:51.40 | itchi | cockroach: Yeah, and these name changin do not it easy too |
| 00:51.42 | cockroach | itchi: ah okay |
| 00:51.46 | cockroach | indeed :) |
| 00:52.10 | zaphands | Hello! which package provides the modpost binary? |
| 00:52.29 | mango | itchi : the linux kernel header is already installed |
| 00:52.30 | itchi | mango: Once headers installed, again make ... |
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| 00:52.50 | itchi | mango: Hold on |
| 00:53.20 | mango | I think that I stuffed up when installing ieee subsystem |
| 00:53.30 | Supaplex | nm on suid-perl. looks like it's a dead beast. :`( |
| 00:53.40 | smallfoot- | suid-perl? |
| 00:53.43 | zaphands | how can I check which package provides a certain file? |
| 00:53.52 | Coweater | apt-file |
| 00:53.56 | Supaplex | smallfoot-: http://packages.debian.org/stable/perl/perl-suid |
| 00:54.14 | Coweater | zaphands: or use the file search on packages.debian.org |
| 00:54.35 | itchi | mango: Im not sute about, maybe you need the linux-tree-2.6.17 |
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| 00:54.42 | h3sp4wn | ericP: read man wireless, man interfaces and the wpasupplicant doc I sent before there should be no need to use wlanconfig etc if you are not doing wds or multiple ssid's or something mad |
| 00:54.59 | itchi | mango: These is here installed too |
| 00:55.00 | cockroach | mango, itchi: i think the kernel headers should be enough. |
| 00:55.06 | zaphands | Thanks! |
| 00:55.09 | itchi | cockroach: Looks like not |
| 00:55.13 | mango | itchi: do i go apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.17...? |
| 00:55.29 | itchi | mango: Headers was been installed?? Then yes |
| 00:55.35 | mango | itchi: yes |
| 00:55.48 | cockroach | mango: but if you're using kernel 2.6.17 you don't need the external drivers anymore. they're in the kernel now |
| 00:55.58 | cockroach | mango: all you need is the firmware. |
| 00:56.06 | itchi | mango: The tree then also, i have the both here installed, i was thinking we only had need for the headers too |
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| 00:56.18 | mango | itchi: how can I check cause I think that I already stuff them up |
| 00:56.39 | itchi | mango: dpkg -l foo |
| 00:57.03 | itchi | mango: Where foo could be: beer, win, pizzaa hahah |
| 00:57.41 | itchi | ow, i have forget the coke :-p |
| 00:57.56 | itchi | mango: Installed? |
| 00:58.14 | mango | itchi: dpkg -l ip2100 or ieee give the following error: No packages found matching ip2100. |
| 00:58.21 | mango | .... |
| 00:58.40 | itchi | mango: Ow, that was for the linux-tree* |
| 00:58.42 | cockroach | mango: make "modprobe ipw2100" |
| 00:58.50 | itchi | mango: Is the linux tree installed? |
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| 01:00.00 | cockroach | itchi: according to packages.debian.org, the 2.6.17 package already contains the module, so there's no reason to recompile it... |
| 01:00.00 | mango | itchi: It beeing installed now. I though that the linux tree is the same as the linux headers |
| 01:00.12 | mango | itchi: it is done |
| 01:00.31 | itchi | mango: Like cockroach have tell, modprobe also? |
| 01:01.34 | itchi | mango: But then you had not especially need of the linux headers and tree :-/ Like that way is when you are going to build the module yourself, like i had need for mine ipw3945 |
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| 01:02.09 | zaphands | where can I find the linux-kbuild package for my kernel version? |
| 01:02.19 | mango | itchi: not working |
| 01:02.25 | itchi | mango: That error you give; did me thinking to the mine i got some little time ago, when i have installed it. |
| 01:02.34 | itchi | mango: What's not working exactly? |
| 01:02.48 | cockroach | mango: what's the error message when you try to modprobe it? i'm almost certain, all you need to do is download the firmware... |
| 01:02.50 | basti`DND | _ gn8 |
| 01:02.53 | itchi | zaphands: Tryout apt-cache search kbuild |
| 01:03.07 | mango | itchi: modprobe ieee80211 |
| 01:03.08 | mango | WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko': No such file or directory |
| 01:03.08 | mango | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko': No such file or directory |
| 01:03.38 | itchi | cockroach: He still need the ieee80211?? |
| 01:03.41 | cockroach | now that's rather weird, because the kernel-image packages contain that module. |
| 01:03.43 | zaphands | itchi: Thanks! Why didn't I find it on aptitude? |
| 01:03.46 | cockroach | see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=testing&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=ieee80211.ko&searchmode=searchfiles |
| 01:04.01 | itchi | zaphands: Because you was drinking the beer ;-) |
| 01:04.31 | itchi | cockroach: Here i had need for the ieee80211, but i had also need to build the module |
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| 01:04.49 | cockroach | mango: you could try reinstalling the kernel-image (or linux-image) package, maybe you somehow lost the module (might have been removed when you tried to install the external sources, for instance) |
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| 01:05.05 | itchi | mango: Wait |
| 01:05.09 | zaphands | itchi: oops... I didn't do it on the chrooted env.. I don't see kbuild for my kernel version. What can I do? |
| 01:05.17 | itchi | mango: You have installed the ieee80211 of that website? |
| 01:05.22 | mango | itchi: I surely did....I a |
| 01:05.32 | cockroach | itchi: yes, but the ieee80211 module is included in the kernel image package (it's included in recent kernel versions), so I guess it was lost somehow... |
| 01:05.33 | mango | itchi; I do have it |
| 01:05.35 | itchi | mango: okay, that's the problem then |
| 01:05.54 | mango | itchi: I did not knoe |
| 01:05.59 | itchi | mango: When i had installed that of the website, that have mess up the stuff the kernel a bit |
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| 01:06.49 | mango | itchi: do I need to recompile the kernel again, I m not good at it |
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| 01:06.55 | itchi | mango: Because the kernenl already have these, but with installing that of the website that overwrite the stuff or do somethings and now you have troubles with it. You had not need to install it of the webstie |
| 01:07.02 | itchi | mango: No |
| 01:07.18 | ericP | "breakfast" |
| 01:07.32 | mango | itchi: what woild be the bes thing to do. please |
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| 01:07.52 | ericP | " was a stale croissant jp-style and a packet of butter. not worth running for |
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| 01:08.21 | itchi | mango: I not realy know how to solve that trouble exactly, got that the previous week with my brand new laptop. I had try to reinstall the kernel, and i not know why but that have mess up completely the system and i have take it easy; reinstall it completely. |
| 01:08.44 | cockroach | mango: just reinstall the kernel-image |
| 01:08.52 | cockroach | (apt-get install --reinstall ...) |
| 01:09.13 | itchi | mango: After reinstalling the kernel, the computer no more wanted to boot up. /-: i not know why that was happend, maybe i had many sad changes or so |
| 01:10.41 | itchi | mango: Normally that should realy not be are an trouble to reinstall the kernel, i just talked my story a bit, that of the previous week :-) When i was here with amphi :-) |
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| 01:11.09 | Science | hey all |
| 01:11.37 | itchi | mango: Avoid the next time to install that ieee80211 of the website, like your decent kernel have it already now, you just need to modprobe it and let it load on boot time |
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| 01:12.40 | mango | itchi & cockroach: I will try, just to make sure the command wil be as: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 01:12.40 | gouki | Guys, I'm packaging something and would like to submit an ITP - How do I list the information required (system information) to add to the eMail? |
| 01:12.40 | itchi | mango: Yup |
| 01:12.42 | mango | thanks gays |
| 01:12.52 | Science | does debian come with postfix or just sendmail? |
| 01:13.34 | itchi | mango: What i did was removing that kernel an wanted to boot with the old kernel provided with that etch netinstall. Maybe was that kernel out of order after the install. I not know |
| 01:13.44 | itchi | mango: heh |
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| 01:13.55 | itchi | mango: Are you gay? |
| 01:14.07 | cockroach | mango: "guys", please! :) |
| 01:14.57 | ericP | h3sp4wn, mfrisch, all worky now -- tx kindly! |
| 01:14.58 | cockroach | Science: you can install postfix (and probably should). default is (AFAIK) exim, though |
| 01:15.12 | itchi | I had maybe better test that old kernel before removing an working kernel. I had not test that older one haha |
| 01:15.36 | Science | yea i thought so rlly i mean i normaly use CentOS but id like to set debian up for a much around rlly |
| 01:16.08 | Science | hoping to find abit about setting up a new group and have ago at sticking it into a vbulleting board |
| 01:16.16 | mango | itchi & cockroach: noooo, Noooo, just my spelling. sorry |
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| 01:17.00 | cockroach | mango: heh, glad to hear that :) |
| 01:17.12 | itchi | mango: That's your choice how you are ;-) Was just flashing there how you had tell us about us ;-) |
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| 01:18.19 | muh2000 | i learned a lesson last days. nevar switch to testing or unstable ^^ or never change a running system :D |
| 01:18.28 | mango | itchi: do not worry man....hahahha:-D |
| 01:18.37 | bronaugh | never pet a burning dog. |
| 01:18.51 | cockroach | :) |
| 01:18.56 | loca|host | how can i netinstall debian on my laptop if i had only usb stick wifi network interface ?. |
| 01:19.15 | Science | bronaugh,kinda think ur have the heart to put the fire out first |
| 01:19.23 | itchi | bwa, the laptop is new, writing an howto laptopbrand* with Debian |
| 01:19.31 | cockroach | loca|host: you'll need to setup a bootp server (or maybe you can boot from usb) |
| 01:19.44 | itchi | So It's the 3de install now, so im sure the howto is right |
| 01:19.57 | bronaugh | Science: sure. |
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| 01:20.33 | loca|host | cockroach, i can boot from the cd, but as it is a netinstall, it should connect to complete the install, in my case i have an usb stick wifi interface that is not recognized at boot time |
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| 01:20.45 | itchi | Yeah, just got sucked there after removing my working kernel, was thinking that there was no trouble with the kernel i had got during the install. Sure i have not test that gotted kernel after the install. |
| 01:21.05 | itchi | Normally should that not be are an trouble?? |
| 01:21.15 | muh2000 | local|host really no rj45 socket ? |
| 01:21.17 | cockroach | loca|host: ah, sorry, misunderstood that. you don't have an ethernet connection you could use? |
| 01:21.30 | mango | itchi: have installed it successfully , I think. run modprobe for ipw2100 and ieee... |
| 01:21.31 | itchi | Was my first time i got sucked for that hahah |
| 01:21.43 | loca|host | cockroach, i had a lan network, but my laptop can access to the lan only with that wifi card |
| 01:22.09 | cockroach | loca|host: sucks. would you happen to have a serial port, another pc and a null-modem cable? :) |
| 01:22.13 | itchi | mango: Yup |
| 01:22.24 | mango | itchi: do I need to restart the network now or reboot |
| 01:22.43 | muh2000 | local|host does the laptop has firewire ? |
| 01:22.45 | itchi | mango: NO, no reboot haha |
| 01:22.50 | deadcat | hahaah |
| 01:23.00 | deadcat | old habit |
| 01:23.01 | smallfoot- | I hope someone can add computer hardware manufacturers who are Linux/FOSS/competition/etc friendly or unfriendly to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 01:23.05 | itchi | mango: You need to setup your nework card, giving ip, essid, key etch |
| 01:23.13 | deadcat | trained monkey |
| 01:23.17 | mango | itchi: ok |
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| 01:23.29 | loca|host | cockroach, good idea, gonna investigate |
| 01:23.42 | itchi | mango: How do you that usually? gui or cli ? |
| 01:23.48 | niles | in cups, what does the url denote ?? |
| 01:24.00 | cockroach | loca|host: you can use my mini-howto at http://stefan.desire.ch/howto/tcpip-nullmodem/ to ease your investigations :) |
| 01:24.12 | mango | itchi: running ifconfig does not show me the card |
| 01:24.20 | mango | itchi: nor iwconfig |
| 01:24.22 | loca|host | ok |
| 01:24.29 | itchi | mango: You have been installed the wireless-tools btw? |
| 01:25.07 | itchi | mango: Otherwise you not have iwconfig, iwlist, etc |
| 01:25.10 | mango | itchi: already installed |
| 01:25.15 | itchi | mango: Okay |
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| 01:25.44 | itchi | mango: Want to search a bit or get it fast working? |
| 01:25.57 | mango | itchi: I want to search a bit |
| 01:26.05 | itchi | mango: GOOD :-) |
| 01:26.09 | itchi | !beer mango |
| 01:26.10 | mango | itchi: thanks |
| 01:27.10 | mango | itchi: do I need to do something the get the info from dpkg |
| 01:27.20 | itchi | cockroach: Know you when ipw3945 would be included? |
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| 01:27.34 | itchi | mango: You want to talk with him |
| 01:27.34 | cockroach | itchi: sorry, no idea. |
| 01:27.44 | muh2000 | smallfoot that is a good idea :) |
| 01:28.01 | itchi | mango: /msg dpkg selftell and /msg dpkg search and /msg dpkg grounding |
| 01:28.16 | itchi | cockroach: No probs ;-) |
| 01:28.46 | mango | itchi: thanks |
| 01:29.08 | gouki | Can anyone help me out submetting an ITP? |
| 01:29.15 | itchi | cockroach: This laptop suck a bit to install. Like the both network cards are not detected during install :-/ I have an older pcmcia card so i have escaped; But for the next one who have the same and so i can add in the howto there |
| 01:29.29 | gravity | gouki: reportbug will guide you through the process |
| 01:29.53 | gouki | I don't find the information I need there - How to get the system information required for the process | gravity |
| 01:30.00 | cockroach | itchi: oh, that sucks... |
| 01:30.32 | cockroach | gouki: just "reportbug wnpp" |
| 01:30.36 | itchi | mango: Try just how you need to search, so you first only try to remember /msg dpkg search Like that one will help you to go |
| 01:30.47 | gravity | gouki: "system information"? For an ITP? |
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| 01:31.06 | gouki | cockroach: OK | gravity: Yeah. At least the couple of ITP I saw on the archives had it |
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| 01:31.16 | itchi | mango: That bot have many info, just need to know how to search right on that bot ;-) See ^^ |
| 01:31.26 | gravity | gouki: That's just because reportbug automatically appends that to whatever it sends. No one cares about those for ITP's. |
| 01:31.43 | gouki | gravity: OK. Thanks ... I did not know that |
| 01:31.44 | itchi | cockroach: Yeah, a bit, but once everything up and running ... ;-) |
| 01:31.55 | gravity | gouki: You just need to fill out the template. Package name, version number, license, short description, long description, and upstream address |
| 01:32.48 | gouki | gravity: Is there an already made template for this or I just check the archives to see how it was done? |
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| 01:33.04 | gravity | gouki: It's built in to reportbug |
| 01:33.10 | dondelelcaro | gouki: reportbug has the template, and you can check the wnpp to see how other bugs are filed. |
| 01:33.36 | gouki | I didn't know I could submit an ITP via reportbug. I'll try that out. Thank you |
| 01:34.40 | loca|host | cockroach, can it be parallel LPT link solution ? |
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| 01:35.15 | cockroach | loca|host: hrm, never tried that, so i have no idea, sorry. |
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| 01:35.34 | cockroach | loca|host: imho it *should* be possible, though |
| 01:35.40 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Got just reply of the boa-constructor package, he go to work on it this week-end |
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| 01:36.07 | loca|host | cockroach, what would be the sl0 replacement so ? |
| 01:36.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Hehe, looks like the devs not want to show how these cooks |
| 01:37.39 | cockroach | loca|host: i don't think you can use slattach for that - the manpage says (and the name implies) "slattach - attach a network interface to a serial line" - which a parallel port isn't |
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| 01:38.54 | itchi | hhhmm, i have here an old usb cable on both side usb. That was to make an laplink in the diabolic os. Can i still use that here? |
| 01:39.13 | knightsilver | excuse me, is it possible to install debian to an ext2 filesystem from a booted operating system, without being able to chroot during the install, ? |
| 01:40.13 | azeem | knightsilver: i.e., you're not root? |
| 01:40.24 | knightsilver | azeem no, ie i can't chroot |
| 01:40.31 | azeem | why can't you chrot? |
| 01:40.34 | azeem | eh, chroot |
| 01:40.37 | knightsilver | i've got root, single user, machine , hardware access all that fun stuff. |
| 01:40.45 | loca|host | cockroach, ifconfig plip1 192.168.1.10 pointopoint 192.168.1.9 and route add 192.168.1.9 |
| 01:40.52 | loca|host | cockroach, http://www.linux-france.org/article/sys/install/plip/Install-Plip-3.html |
| 01:40.56 | loca|host | cockroach, think it's ok |
| 01:41.00 | knightsilver | azeem 2 reasons, one, the kernel versions conflict for one method, and the other kernel doesnt support chroot |
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| 01:41.11 | bronaugh | uhh. |
| 01:41.16 | bronaugh | kernels support chroot. |
| 01:41.32 | knightsilver | bronaugh maybe i need to do something additional to typing chroot. |
| 01:41.34 | tokigalor | hey guys |
| 01:41.44 | bronaugh | knightsilver: debootstrap? |
| 01:41.46 | knightsilver | or maybe the problem lies in the fact the other kernel has no /proc mount to share with the installed one |
| 01:41.54 | tokigalor | I'm on a mac FDHD |
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| 01:42.00 | tokigalor | it's pretty bad //a |
| 01:42.04 | cockroach | loca|host: cool. |
| 01:42.19 | knightsilver | bronaugh will i need to chroot to use debootstrap ? |
| 01:42.19 | tokigalor | k |
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| 01:43.24 | knightsilver | any ideas? |
| 01:44.07 | azeem | knightsilver: you can't chroot if there's no target system at the destination |
| 01:44.10 | A310 | Are there any decent x clients for windows? |
| 01:44.25 | knightsilver | azeem so i cant install , if there's no target system? |
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| 01:45.32 | azeem | knightsilver: the idea is to bootstrap a target system, and then to chroot into it in order to finalize the install |
| 01:45.32 | knightsilver | azeem ok, so that wont work for me |
| 01:45.32 | knightsilver | because i can't chroot. |
| 01:45.40 | knightsilver | in order to chroot into the system that debootstrap downloads, i'm required to mount proc into it, yes? |
| 01:45.59 | knightsilver | I have no proc to mount :( |
| 01:46.25 | azeem | why not? |
| 01:46.34 | knightsilver | because it isnt present on my system :( |
| 01:46.50 | knightsilver | and if i try to chroot in from a knoppix cd, it tells me the kernel version is too old |
| 01:47.14 | azeem | knightsilver: if you're root, why don't you mount it? |
| 01:47.23 | knightsilver | mount the cd? |
| 01:47.36 | azeem | mount /proc |
| 01:47.42 | knightsilver | because i dont have a /proc |
| 01:47.48 | azeem | eh, yes |
| 01:47.52 | knightsilver | altroot |
| 01:47.52 | knightsilver | bin |
| 01:47.52 | knightsilver | bsd |
| 01:47.52 | knightsilver | bsd.rd |
| 01:47.53 | knightsilver | cdrom |
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| 01:47.54 | azeem | that's when you mount it |
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| 01:48.42 | knightsilver | hmn.. guess that's too much text |
| 01:48.45 | knightsilver | but i don't have .. a proc :( |
| 01:48.52 | azeem | is this a GNU/Linux system? |
| 01:48.58 | knightsilver | not yet :( |
| 01:49.02 | azeem | what is it? |
| 01:49.26 | knightsilver | it has openbsd on it, but it keeps crashing and freezing up, as if it were windows 98, so i want to switch to something more stable.. like sarge |
| 01:49.52 | azeem | d'oh |
| 01:50.04 | azeem | if it runs openbsd, you obviously cannot chroot |
| 01:50.12 | knightsilver | well, i have the chroot command |
| 01:50.20 | Gnurdux | right |
| 01:50.21 | knightsilver | but there's some variance between the chroots used i think |
| 01:50.25 | azeem | that's for chrooting into another openbsd |
| 01:50.28 | knightsilver | i see. |
| 01:50.29 | Gnurdux | but openbsd and linux dont have binary compatibility |
| 01:50.34 | knightsilver | well if i try to chroot from a knoppix livecd.. |
| 01:50.39 | knightsilver | it tells me the kernel version is too old. |
| 01:50.45 | azeem | chroot where? |
| 01:50.49 | azeem | into openbsd or linux? |
| 01:50.52 | knightsilver | to /mnt/work |
| 01:50.54 | Gnurdux | its because it doesnt work because kboppix is linux |
| 01:50.58 | Gnurdux | and openbsd is bsd |
| 01:51.02 | knightsilver | aka , the ext2 partition i want to put linux unto |
| 01:51.03 | azeem | knightsilver: and /mnt/work is? |
| 01:51.12 | azeem | knightsilver: and what's on there? |
| 01:51.22 | knightsilver | a base system from the look of things |
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| 01:51.29 | knightsilver | but it's a 2.6 system |
| 01:51.31 | azeem | knightsilver: who put it there? |
| 01:51.33 | knightsilver | and the knoppix cd i have is 2.4 |
| 01:51.41 | knightsilver | azeem i did from a knoppix livecd |
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| 01:52.31 | knightsilver | it's useful to carry a knoppix livecd around with you .. |
| 01:52.45 | knightsilver | but .. it doesnt solve my install barrier? i guess maybe i need a new cd |
| 01:52.54 | azeem | knightsilver: is this some remote server box or what? |
| 01:53.01 | knightsilver | no.. home machine. |
| 01:53.03 | azeem | eh |
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| 01:53.09 | plb | how can I make X use 60hz at 1280x1024? |
| 01:53.11 | knightsilver | for personal, home, light paperwork / office/school use |
| 01:53.14 | azeem | knightsilver: why don't you use a regular Debian install CD? |
| 01:53.18 | knightsilver | average cd use / dvd playing |
| 01:53.22 | knightsilver | azeem because i dont have one |
| 01:53.27 | azeem | knightsilver: so download one |
| 01:53.30 | dvs | plb: enter the right frequencies for your monitor |
| 01:53.30 | knightsilver | ok. |
| 01:53.31 | A310 | knightsilver, are you on dialup? |
| 01:53.34 | knightsilver | no .. dsl |
| 01:53.38 | azeem | man |
| 01:53.40 | knightsilver | so i download a cd image.. |
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| 01:53.41 | knightsilver | and cant burn it |
| 01:53.44 | knightsilver | this does what, ? |
| 01:53.47 | plb | dvs: I did but it goes to 75 |
| 01:53.53 | A310 | knightsilver, then snag the netinst cd nad install, or the full cd at 3x the size, but its easy to get |
| 01:54.03 | A310 | knightsilver, cant? how come/ |
| 01:54.04 | azeem | knightsilver: nobody of your friends has a cd burner? |
| 01:54.06 | knightsilver | A310 yes i have the images. |
| 01:54.09 | knightsilver | azeem no .. |
| 01:54.14 | dvs | plg: 1280x1024@75 ? |
| 01:54.14 | knightsilver | most of them spend their money on beer |
| 01:54.22 | azeem | knightsilver: then go order some CDs, whatever |
| 01:54.23 | knightsilver | some choose vodka.. |
| 01:54.30 | plb | dvs: hrm lemme try |
| 01:54.30 | enouf | knightsilver: cd burner == 20$ |
| 01:54.33 | knightsilver | azeem so if i want debian, i have to order a cd though? |
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| 01:54.46 | azeem | knightsilver: if you don't have a cd burner |
| 01:54.48 | knightsilver | enouf right now i have a dvd rom , i dont want to give up dvd playback just to burn cds anyways :/ |
| 01:54.49 | A310 | knightsilver, do you have a floppy drive? |
| 01:54.59 | knightsilver | A310 yes, an iomega 2 something |
| 01:55.01 | A310 | (on both computers) |
| 01:55.01 | enouf | knightsilver: you add it to the list |
| 01:55.10 | A310 | knightsilver, thats a Zip, not a floppy |
| 01:55.15 | knightsilver | A310 ok then no |
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| 01:55.23 | enouf | 2xHDD + 2xOpticalDrives |
| 01:55.24 | knightsilver | it's internal and it reads floppy disks presently |
| 01:55.31 | A310 | knightsilver, damn man what kinda rock do you live under? well do you have a Zip on both computers? |
| 01:55.37 | gouki | heheh |
| 01:55.44 | A310 | knightsilver really? odd never seen a iomega read floppys |
| 01:55.51 | mango | msg dpkg selftell |
| 01:55.52 | knightsilver | A310 no.. just the present one that has openbsd on it |
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| 01:55.58 | Tuxguy | X server is no longer supported on x86? |
| 01:56.02 | enouf | throws a neaderthal at knightsilver |
| 01:56.06 | widrone | Zip disks, now that was a 100mb trill! I can even spot some in my shelf still. |
| 01:56.06 | knightsilver | Tuxguy try xorg instead? |
| 01:56.08 | cockroach | wouldn't living under a rock somehow imply he *had* a floppy drive? |
| 01:56.11 | enouf | +n |
| 01:56.23 | Science | ive been told there's a plugin for downloading torrents in terminal? |
| 01:56.32 | A310 | cockroach, your right, my bad, i did not mean to be insulting, just very confused |
| 01:56.33 | Tuxguy | knightsilver, Well, I think vesa was installed |
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| 01:56.48 | gouki | Not a plugin, an application - rTorrent | Science |
| 01:56.50 | knightsilver | A310 so you're saying a zip disk isnt as good as a floppy disk? |
| 01:57.02 | Tuxguy | knightsilver, Whatever the default is.... anyhow it crashed and I clicked to view the error report, and it took me to a screen that said that x server was no longer supported |
| 01:57.05 | Science | ah |
| 01:57.14 | enouf | knightsilver: must be using a Mac .. an old ppc |
| 01:57.35 | knightsilver | enouf how do i check? |
| 01:57.42 | cockroach | knightsilver: you could always try a network-installation... |
| 01:57.43 | enouf | Mac users love zip drives |
| 01:57.46 | gouki | Science - It's been my BitTorrent client for a while. Try it out |
| 01:57.48 | knightsilver | cockroach ok, sure. |
| 01:57.54 | A310 | cockroach, he has no floppy and only 1 zip disk |
| 01:58.05 | knightsilver | cockroach so i can just use my bsd net connection and install somehow? |
| 01:58.05 | A310 | at least thats what ive got from his resonces |
| 01:58.11 | enouf | you better know your ARCH before you d/l anything OS related |
| 01:58.12 | cockroach | A310: so what? set up a bootp server somewhere... |
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| 01:58.19 | knightsilver | a310 i have 1 zip disk drive |
| 01:58.29 | A310 | cockroach, oh duh hey im on the ball tonight! |
| 01:58.31 | knightsilver | a310 not 1 single disk. |
| 01:58.33 | knightsilver | 1 drive. |
| 01:58.41 | A310 | knightsilver, oh oh my bad again |
| 01:58.45 | knightsilver | that's like saying a guy with a cd player in his car owns 1 cd |
| 01:58.47 | gouki | I'm out! Take care everyone |
| 01:58.56 | smallfoot- | I hope someone can add computer hardware manufacturers who are Linux/FOSS/competition/etc friendly or unfriendly to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 01:58.58 | cockroach | knightsilver: if your computer can do network booting, yes. but be warned, it's a little tricky :) (or, let's say, last time I did it, it was very poorly documented) |
| 01:59.13 | knightsilver | cockroach yes mine can not only network boot, it presently has an operating system on it |
| 01:59.14 | plb | dvs: my horz freq is 28-80 vert 48-75 if I configure X @ 60hz with dpkg it sets horz at 30-65 and vert at 50-75 is that alright or will my monitor blowup? ;] |
| 01:59.16 | mango | itchi & cockroach: I tried to find the info, it is not that simple on dpkg. I will try again tomorrow. thanks a lot. keep the good work |
| 01:59.30 | A310 | knightsilver what OS are you on right now? |
| 01:59.35 | cockroach | knightsilver: having an OS on it is rather irrelevant, in this case :) |
| 01:59.40 | Tuxguy | could not open default font "fixed" ; the x servers font paths might be misconfigured or not installed |
| 01:59.43 | Tuxguy | How do I fix that? |
| 01:59.43 | knightsilver | openbsd , but it keeps freezing up like windows 98 :( |
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| 01:59.54 | A310 | knightsilver, how many PC's do you have? |
| 02:00.01 | knightsilver | cockroach so i can't install from the running operating system, that has all the helpful /bin tools? |
| 02:00.04 | vivithemage | i installed nvidia drivers using the one line command and the screen is really dark and words are distorted. any ideas? |
| 02:00.06 | knightsilver | A310 1 |
| 02:00.09 | A310 | and if bsd is locking up i would say its a hardware issue more so then software |
| 02:00.21 | itchi | mango: Your welcome |
| 02:00.24 | knightsilver | A310 that's odd, their guides say to use the generic kernel.. |
| 02:00.25 | p3rti | hi,.. i have a multiseat system.. and my daemon.log and syslog file's have like 2.3 GB of size.. someone know how can i reduce that? |
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| 02:00.29 | cockroach | knightsilver: now there's an idea I have no idea whether it might work: If you install something like vmware, you could *maybe* start installation from in there... |
| 02:00.32 | dvs | plb: You should put the real limits of your monitor and it is possible for your monitor to stop working with the wrong frequencies |
| 02:00.38 | knightsilver | cockroach you mean like qemu ? |
| 02:00.41 | enouf | plb: easiest is to read your monitor specs from the online manual if necessary .. or apt-get install hwinfo .. then hwinfo -- monitor |
| 02:00.50 | knightsilver | cockroach no, it fails to boot the debian install iso .. |
| 02:00.58 | A310 | bah! knightsilver go buy a cd burner, www.arstechnica.com check the freebies hread i bet there is one in there, at worst say you need one, someone can bone up a 2x burner ;) |
| 02:00.58 | cockroach | knightsilver: from a running bsd: i don't think so, but then again, i'm no expert. |
| 02:01.03 | knightsilver | as well as the suse and other .. |
| 02:01.09 | widrone | p3rti: logrotate ? |
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| 02:01.19 | knightsilver | arstechnica.com ok let me go load lynx |
| 02:01.20 | plb | well I know the real frequencies it is...28-80 and 48-75 but if I set that in xorg it puts it at 75hz |
| 02:01.44 | cockroach | knightsilver: yes, something like qemu might do the trick. but again, no expert in that either... |
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| 02:01.54 | knightsilver | cockroach qemu didnt do it , no |
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| 02:01.56 | dvs | plb: At 1280x1024? |
| 02:02.04 | plb | dvs: yeah |
| 02:02.18 | Tuxguy | Anyone know how to fix this error ? could not open default font "fixed" ; the x servers font paths might be misconfigured or not installed |
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| 02:02.31 | cockroach | knightsilver: or you could just put the harddrive in some other computer which actually has a floppy drive. as long as the architecture matches... |
| 02:02.37 | widrone | Tuxguy: Install the fixed fonts if you havent. |
| 02:02.44 | plb | dvs: used to work fine..just reinstalled debian and its acting stupid |
| 02:02.47 | knightsilver | Tuxguy edit your xorg.conf too |
| 02:03.02 | Tuxguy | widrone: oh where ? apt-get xfonts? |
| 02:03.04 | knightsilver | cockroach nope, can't do that either... i dont have another machine with internet |
| 02:03.23 | cockroach | knightsilver: are you just trying to be difficult? ;) |
| 02:03.27 | A310 | so no ideas on a workable X client for windows? I really want ot migrate all my boxes to debian but the wife needs to live on windows till she is "ok": with debian |
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| 02:03.42 | enouf | plb: wtf? .. leave it at 75 over 60 |
| 02:03.43 | knightsilver | cockroach i dont see why i should need 2 computers to be able to run debian |
| 02:03.55 | knightsilver | why not just put debian on the 2nd machine and save myself the effort >.< |
| 02:03.55 | widrone | Tuxguy: xfonts-base or something I seem to remember. |
| 02:04.05 | widrone | Tuxguy: apt-get search :) |
| 02:04.10 | plb | enouf: why? for some reason 60 looks better |
| 02:04.10 | cockroach | A310: she'll be ok with debian, as soon as she doesn't have a choice anymore :) |
| 02:04.11 | enouf | plb: resoltion doesn't ,matter with LCDs TFTSs |
| 02:04.20 | cockroach | knightsilver: heh, true |
| 02:04.22 | amphi | cockroach: ;) |
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| 02:04.23 | dvs | plb: I think you need a modeline to pick a particular frequency but I don't know how to do that. |
| 02:04.24 | Tuxguy | knightsilver, What do I need to edit? Is there something that says like the path to the fonts? |
| 02:04.29 | knightsilver | A310 why not set up vpn ? |
| 02:04.37 | widrone | Tuxguy: Dont forget the "install" order til apt-get |
| 02:04.37 | enouf | plb: go have your eyes checked :-P |
| 02:04.41 | plb | heh |
| 02:04.42 | knightsilver | Tuxguy yes, about midway down in the config |
| 02:04.43 | cockroach | knightsilver: and you can't boot from usb? |
| 02:04.44 | A310 | cockroach, yes and Ill be fine with no marital relations once i have no choice! |
| 02:04.50 | cockroach | A310: :) |
| 02:04.56 | amphi | A310: sounds good |
| 02:05.01 | knightsilver | cockroach no, the computer doesnt recognize the linux partitions on the usb drive |
| 02:05.11 | Tuxguy | knightsilver, How do I find out the path? |
| 02:05.26 | itchi | Tuxguy: See /msg dpkg fixed font |
| 02:05.29 | enouf | plb: play with other monitor settings through it's OSD |
| 02:05.30 | knightsilver | Tuxguy , maybe use ls, or find ? |
| 02:05.34 | cockroach | knightsilver: hmm, sucks |
| 02:05.45 | A310 | amphi, i do not agree, but seriously, i know VNC works but there has to be something better |
| 02:05.51 | knightsilver | IF there was some way to copy the usb drive to disk, from this bsd |
| 02:05.54 | enouf | like Color feq and phase plb |
| 02:05.55 | knightsilver | it would all be so easy. |
| 02:05.55 | plb | ok |
| 02:06.03 | amphi | A310: for what? |
| 02:06.05 | minerale | I'm trying to remove this one package but I'm having problems -- dpkg -l does not show the complete name (something about Allegro Lisp) |
| 02:06.07 | widrone | Tuxguy: May be me, but "every" time I get that error on a machine I forgot to install the fonts. The path work out themselfes. But you may have a heavily modified base systen, what do I know? |
| 02:06.10 | knightsilver | because i can certainly install linux to it.. |
| 02:06.11 | amphi | A310: shs |
| 02:06.19 | knightsilver | or if there was a way to install debian from a knoppix livecd.. |
| 02:06.22 | knightsilver | that would make this easier too |
| 02:06.23 | amphi | A310: ssh works for most things |
| 02:06.30 | itchi | !fixed font |
| 02:06.31 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 02:06.31 | A310 | amphi, just need my debian fluxbox over here on my windows box |
| 02:06.38 | knightsilver | or if i could use the bootloader on the knopppix livecd, to boot the usb drive, even |
| 02:06.45 | Tuxguy | ty |
| 02:06.46 | A310 | amphi, I use that now, but it doesnt work for my wife who doesnt like CLI |
| 02:06.47 | amphi | A310: cygwin xserver? |
| 02:06.55 | dvs | knightsilver: you have a USB drive? |
| 02:06.57 | widrone | Tuxguy: gl... :) |
| 02:07.06 | knightsilver | dvs yes.. just a small 6 gig one |
| 02:07.07 | A310 | amphi, client side, not server, got X running already |
| 02:07.09 | Tuxguy | widrone, ty.... its a brand new install, like 5 min old |
| 02:07.15 | knightsilver | dvs it's made by seagate |
| 02:07.18 | cockroach | knightsilver: hrm, you *could* just install a minimum knoppix system (which is debian based), then change your apt sources and dist-upgrade ... |
| 02:07.19 | amphi | A310: I guess, as I have no windows box |
| 02:07.21 | knightsilver | or prefabbed for seagate. |
| 02:07.26 | dvs | knightsilver: Do you have a USB Flash drive? |
| 02:07.29 | knightsilver | cockroach no , i cant install the knoppix |
| 02:07.35 | knightsilver | dvs yes. |
| 02:07.40 | knightsilver | dvs it's only 128 mb |
| 02:07.41 | amphi | A310: you need a local x server to display remote x progs |
| 02:07.44 | knightsilver | not even as big as the zip disk |
| 02:07.45 | widrone | Tuxguy: Ah, problably the fonta arent installed then. (I hope) |
| 02:07.45 | dvs | knightsilver: that's enought |
| 02:07.50 | azeem | knightsilver: if you install knoppix, you'll get Knoppix and not Debian, anyway |
| 02:07.52 | cockroach | knightsilver: really? weird. i thought that was just a two-mouseclicks task... |
| 02:07.57 | Tuxguy | widrone, that seems to be it |
| 02:08.10 | knightsilver | cockroach oh, knoppix doesnt recognize my video card |
| 02:08.12 | A310 | amphi, ah crapola, hmm, dont wanna spend the time to pull cyg down on dialup |
| 02:08.19 | knightsilver | cockroach so i can't staratkde in it, and end up in console |
| 02:08.26 | knightsilver | so maybe if i had kde in it, it would be a simple task |
| 02:08.32 | dvs | knightsilver: you can install Debian onto a USB Flash drive but you'll have to repartition it if you want to use it again for something else |
| 02:08.40 | cockroach | knightsilver: so? can't you start the installation from the console? |
| 02:08.42 | enouf | smells a troll |
| 02:08.44 | minerale | Anyone know how I can figure out the full name of this package: "ii acl-pro-instal 6.2.32 Installer for Franz' Allegro 6.2 Lisp Commer" |
| 02:08.46 | knightsilver | dvs ok, but i still cant boot the flash drive |
| 02:08.53 | knightsilver | cockroach how? |
| 02:09.01 | enouf | a flip-flopping troll at that .. slimy too |
| 02:09.01 | cockroach | knightsilver: dunno. ask in #knoppix |
| 02:09.09 | amphi | A310: perhaps there are other windows x servers; certainly there are some commercial ones; I don't know much of win32 |
| 02:09.10 | knightsilver | oh you mean the knoppix install ok, i'll try there |
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| 02:09.20 | Tuxguy | widrone, worked :) ty |
| 02:09.25 | cockroach | knightsilver: exactly |
| 02:09.52 | cockroach | knightsilver: wherever there's a will, there's also a way to install debian :) |
| 02:09.58 | A310 | amphi, ill just run vnc, slow but works |
| 02:10.29 | amphi | A310: never used it myself... |
| 02:11.12 | Tuxguy | Is there a list of packages I can get from the cds? Like Disc #x has the following packages? etc? like for KDE, and those apps/libs |
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| 02:11.47 | A310 | amphi, use it all the time for win32--win32 since its "more secure" then RDC, just seams like a waste of time for liux with X, but didnt know i needed a local X server (i dont hardly ever need remote gui on nix) |
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| 02:11.58 | knightsilver | cockroach they're all afk |
| 02:12.15 | knightsilver | guess maybe i should find something easier to install |
| 02:12.21 | amphi | A310: no need for x server on the remote, to run remote x progs |
| 02:12.29 | A310 | knightsilver, all you need is a cd burner heh |
| 02:12.39 | widrone | cockroach: Rite on. That is true, always a way for getting debian on something. |
| 02:12.41 | A310 | amphi, ok then we had a mis comunications |
| 02:12.42 | knightsilver | A310 the issue is software not hardware |
| 02:13.01 | knightsilver | widrone not in this case there isnt.. |
| 02:13.01 | cockroach | knightsilver: you mean something you can install without having a cd, a floppy drive or a usable usb media? good luck :) |
| 02:13.11 | knightsilver | cockroach my usb media is useable. |
| 02:13.15 | knightsilver | and i have A floppy drive. |
| 02:13.17 | amphi | A310: x uses a superficially inverted terminology ;) |
| 02:13.20 | knightsilver | and i have a cd drive |
| 02:13.24 | cockroach | knightsilver: i thought it was a ZIP drive? |
| 02:13.26 | A310 | knightsilver, i dunno, a normal deb cd installs great, never used knoppix for installing so no idea there (i have a few live cds, they are great for failed boxes) |
| 02:13.26 | dvs | knightsilver: do you have floppies? |
| 02:13.29 | cockroach | knightsilver: yes, drive, but no CD ) |
| 02:13.30 | cockroach | :) |
| 02:13.33 | knightsilver | cockroach i dont see the difference, it reads floppies |
| 02:13.36 | knightsilver | dvs Yes. |
| 02:13.42 | widrone | knightsilver: I didnt follow the conversation from the start. What system, and what media you have. debootstrap? |
| 02:13.46 | dvs | knightsilver: then do a floppy install |
| 02:13.48 | bokey | what's a good program to burn cd in Gnome.. something like k3b |
| 02:13.51 | cockroach | knightsilver: if it reads *normal* (1.44 MB) floppy, just use those then! |
| 02:13.57 | bokey | amphi: hi. =) |
| 02:14.00 | knightsilver | dvs that says i need rawrite or dd though |
| 02:14.00 | cockroach | s/floppy/floppies/ |
| 02:14.01 | amphi | bokey: cdrecord ;) |
| 02:14.06 | A310 | amphi, when i have had little sleep my brain does too |
| 02:14.14 | dvs | knightsilver: like the one on a knoppix CD? |
| 02:14.37 | knightsilver | the one on the knoppix cd says it's unable to load modules cp_nls 347 |
| 02:14.38 | cockroach | bokey: graveman is quite nice, i think |
| 02:14.41 | amphi | A310: I missed what you are trying to di |
| 02:14.42 | knightsilver | or nls cp 347 or something |
| 02:14.43 | knightsilver | like that |
| 02:14.44 | amphi | *do |
| 02:14.52 | bokey | amphi: is it gui based ? want something easy. =) |
| 02:14.59 | bokey | cockroach: thanks I'll have a look. |
| 02:15.13 | cockroach | bokey: but AFAIK k3b tops them all... |
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| 02:15.42 | cockroach | bokey: or, if you feel the need for adventure, use xcdroast :) |
| 02:15.45 | bokey | cockroach: thanks. |
| 02:15.52 | cockroach | bokey: no problem |
| 02:16.08 | bokey | cockroach: is it quiete unbuggy ? graveman ? |
| 02:16.09 | Tuxguy | what's the command to install kde? |
| 02:16.10 | amphi | bokey: once you setup /etc/default/cdrecord (which is trivial), 'cdrecord foo.iso' will burn an iso |
| 02:16.11 | Tuxguy | apt-get install kde? |
| 02:16.29 | azeem | bokey: there's nautilus-cd-burner for GNOME |
| 02:16.31 | bokey | amphi: i want to make a normal cd that plays in most cd players |
| 02:16.49 | bokey | azeem: yeah but we can't make normal cds can we azeem ? |
| 02:17.00 | widrone | knightsilver: Debian install manual appendix C.4 |
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| 02:17.05 | azeem | bokey: why not? |
| 02:17.06 | cockroach | bokey: i wouldn't know, i just installed it to see whether it supports cd-text (which it didn't), but I guess as it uses the default tools (cdrecord, that is), it should be ok |
| 02:17.06 | amphi | bokey: audio cd? man cdrecord has examples, as does the cd writing howto at tldp.org |
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| 02:17.18 | amphi | bokey: it can be a one-liner |
| 02:17.19 | dooop | anyone can help me with DHCP issues? I've got the logs |
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| 02:17.33 | cockroach | !ask |
| 02:17.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:17.42 | bokey | cockroach: yeah it's page says it uses cdrecord. |
| 02:17.53 | bokey | amphi: i'll give cdrecord+graveman a try. =) thanks. |
| 02:18.04 | agent | what is the default us english locale? en_US ISO-8859-1 or en_US-UTF-8 UTF-8 (or something else)? |
| 02:18.13 | amphi | bokey: there's also bashburn, for a laugh |
| 02:18.17 | bowman | hi. can anyone help me with ssh X forwarding? if I log in to the remote host using ssh -X hostname, the DISPLAY variable does NOT get set on the remote host, but it should be. any idea why this would be happening? |
| 02:18.21 | bokey | amphi: heheh.. |
| 02:18.32 | cockroach | bowman: check your sshd configuration |
| 02:18.32 | amphi | bokey: it is t3h wr0k |
| 02:18.51 | amphi | bokey: ncurses FE to cdrecord |
| 02:19.07 | dooop | cockroach: I lost my internet connection (dhcp on eth1) and it works fine in windows. I've got the logs to show whats happening, but couldn't solve myself |
| 02:19.23 | azeem | bowman: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 02:19.26 | bowman | cockroach: X forwarding is enabled ("yes") with XDisplayOffset set to 10 |
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| 02:19.59 | cockroach | dooop: as dpkg was trying to tell you, just paste your logs somewhere and tell the channel where you posted them. then somebody might know the answer. |
| 02:20.46 | bowman | oh, thanks - xauth was the missing link :) |
| 02:21.36 | dooop | The logs are at http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/987 |
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| 02:21.43 | dooop | if anyone please could help, thanks a lot |
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| 02:23.11 | widrone | dooop: Running ubuntu? Or what sarge ? Etch? |
| 02:23.34 | cockroach | dooop: hrm, "There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth1.pid" could mean you have another dhclient instance running and somehow interfering with what you're doing. try "ps ax|grep dhclient" to verify... |
| 02:24.26 | widrone | dooop: And you seem to get ACK from the dhcp server too. Strange, no traffic goes out over the link? |
| 02:24.50 | dooop | cockroach: I tried killig every dhcpclient and did evertyhing to restart |
| 02:24.52 | dooop | same result |
| 02:25.01 | widrone | dooop: Cant seem to see a default gw, maybe that is why. |
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| 02:25.27 | dooop | but shouldn't the dhcp configure it? |
| 02:25.34 | Miles_Prower | Hello, could someone assist me in PM with setting up a debian machine to be a router? |
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| 02:25.40 | Miles_Prower | I have gottem most the work done. |
| 02:25.57 | widrone | dooop: Your network config seems a bit "hardcore", maybe that is why it just dont work. |
| 02:26.11 | cockroach | !tell Miles_Prower about ask |
| 02:26.20 | Miles_Prower | ... allready been told that. |
| 02:26.29 | cockroach | okay, sorry :) |
| 02:26.37 | dooop | widrone: but I've never touched anything! ubuntu detected everything for me and configured |
| 02:26.44 | dooop | don't know what changed it |
| 02:26.47 | Miles_Prower | This is probably complex enough that I don't want to flood up the channel. |
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| 02:27.10 | dooop | what could I do (without internet) with apt or dpkg-reconfigure to reinstall that part (like "reseting") |
| 02:27.26 | widrone | dooop: Then youre issue is with ubuntu sorry, but this is debian. They do know their setps better then me guessing. |
| 02:27.27 | Plouj- | what's the purpose of the various binary-# torrents? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 02:28.06 | A310 | dooop, assuming you have all the packages and such, and that ubuntu uses it, use dpkg |
| 02:28.28 | dooop | A310: but I should reconfigure wich packages? |
| 02:28.33 | dooop | to RESET to default |
| 02:28.48 | A310 | oh i missed that part (dialup reconnect wee fun) |
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| 02:29.10 | A310 | you can reset <A> package but your entire package setup? i dont think so |
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| 02:29.18 | Tuxguy | Whoops |
| 02:29.29 | Tuxguy | Is KDE provided on one of the ~cd sets? |
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| 02:29.56 | dvs | Tuxguy: it's probably spread across several CDs |
| 02:30.09 | widrone | dooop: Id bang in something like "route add default gw 201.82.16.1" and see if that fixes it. But I only halfway understand what your network setup is trying to do really. You got a hydra there? |
| 02:30.15 | dondelelcaro | dooop: take down all of your interfaces, and make sure that the dhclient processes have all stopped. |
| 02:30.29 | Tuxguy | dvs, ok... I am going to download the 15 cds tonight.....how can I tell apt-get to use the cds and not the network? |
| 02:30.35 | amphi | A310: dialup from seattle?? |
| 02:30.42 | dvs | Tuxguy: apt-cdrom |
| 02:30.51 | Tuxguy | ty |
| 02:30.58 | dondelelcaro | dooop: but since this is ubuntu, #ubuntu is the place to ask; we don't have anything to do with their configuration whatsoever. |
| 02:31.13 | A310 | amphi, im 300 miles from there, evel3 diapup mega pop |
| 02:31.18 | A310 | level3 |
| 02:32.00 | amphi | A310: ah - east bumfuck? ;) |
| 02:32.02 | dooop | dondelelcaro: I know, but the guys there don't answear anything to me. and I'm asking directly the question, not asking to ask :( |
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| 02:32.16 | the_master | hi guys |
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| 02:32.22 | A310 | amphi, yup |
| 02:32.24 | Tuxguy | dvs, what apt-get install packagex....and it needs dependencies, is there a flag to tell it to fetch those also? |
| 02:32.35 | dooop | widrone: hydra? don't think so, don't know even what it is |
| 02:32.38 | A310 | Tuxguy it will on its own |
| 02:32.50 | A310 | dooop what is your network setup? |
| 02:32.55 | dondelelcaro | dooop: well, if they can't support you, then you need to check in with ubuntu's forums or similar; we don't support it here. |
| 02:32.57 | the_master | have a real intresting question. could a debian box with a voicemodem be used as a way to hook a wifi phone to a land line? |
| 02:33.04 | Tuxguy | A310, It didn't offer it just said broken package dependencies |
| 02:33.15 | widrone | dooop: Multi headed beast of lore, just a saying for a multihomed (many network cards) machine. It was a bad failed joke. |
| 02:33.31 | A310 | Tuxguy that is odd, try -f ? or --help |
| 02:33.32 | dondelelcaro | Tuxguy: just apt-get install the other packages that it says it depends upon, and it'll tell you why they can't be installed. |
| 02:33.33 | cockroach | heh, running /etc/init.d/networking restart via ssh on a machine > 300 km away from you is what i call fun :) |
| 02:33.52 | dondelelcaro | Tuxguy: alternatively, you can use aptitude, which will tell you exactly which packages are broken when you attempt to install it. |
| 02:33.52 | dooop | widrone:ahhh, ok!!! I didn't get it as english is my second language (as if I had to tell you that :D) |
| 02:34.02 | the_master | I googled and cant find any mention of anyone doing it. |
| 02:34.06 | dvs | Tuxguy: if it's mandatory no, if it's suggested I'm not sure what it is. |
| 02:34.15 | Tuxguy | oh |
| 02:34.20 | the_master | can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:34.31 | dondelelcaro | the_master: if you have the right type of modem, yes, you can do that. |
| 02:34.40 | dondelelcaro | the_master: asterisk boxes do similar stuff |
| 02:34.42 | widrone | the_master: Asterix maybe? |
| 02:35.19 | the_master | cool. forgot about the linux pbx software thanks. |
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| 02:37.01 | the_master | thanks again |
| 02:37.10 | enouf | the_master: wifi phone? that's like saying dry roasted milk |
| 02:37.33 | the_master | yea linksys makes one. |
| 02:37.38 | enouf | heh |
| 02:37.42 | A310 | enouf how do you figure its like that? |
| 02:37.48 | widrone | enouf: And its really good that dry roasted milk too! |
| 02:37.50 | A310 | a number of people make them |
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| 02:38.12 | Hoxzer_ | La raze |
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| 02:39.34 | enouf | A310: all cell phones are "wifi' ..IMO .. but haven't thought about it mcuh .. but i guess with the inception of voip nonsense (ppl have being doing interent telephony since the 80s) .. .. neverind |
| 02:39.47 | enouf | nm even |
| 02:39.54 | Tuxguy | What sound server does Debian install by default? |
| 02:40.00 | enouf | artd? |
| 02:40.05 | enouf | artsd even |
| 02:40.23 | enouf | ps aux | grep arts |
| 02:40.23 | A310 | enouf, WiFi is a stamp of standards, a "wifi phone" means its a wireless 802.11 A B G or N VoIP device |
| 02:40.25 | widrone | enouf: I think he uses "wifi" as in 2.4Ghz ip phone. |
| 02:40.37 | enouf | A310: I know.. |
| 02:40.51 | enouf | widrone: understood .. hence the nm |
| 02:40.58 | widrone | Ill stick to my .9Ghz and 1.8Ghz for phoning thankye... |
| 02:41.19 | widrone | enouf: Ah, sorry. Was typing blindly and in vain then. :) |
| 02:41.19 | enouf | pats widrone on the back .. ataaboy! |
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| 02:42.24 | bbelt16ag | hrey |
| 02:42.24 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 02:42.48 | bbelt16ag | is there any other site i can get debian testing from? besides debian.org?? |
| 02:43.00 | enouf | why? .. sure |
| 02:43.01 | bbelt16ag | i dont care if its ftp/http/torrents whatever |
| 02:43.12 | bbelt16ag | ok, i want the net install testing |
| 02:43.24 | enouf | why not debian.org? |
| 02:43.36 | widrone | bbelt16ag: I think the etch installer is in rc1. Try that? |
| 02:43.40 | enouf | bbelt16ag: the d/l come form elsewhere |
| 02:43.43 | bbelt16ag | the files are not there for the dvd and the netinstall is corrupt |
| 02:43.50 | bbelt16ag | well its done wierdly |
| 02:43.54 | bbelt16ag | wont boot on old pc |
| 02:44.05 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 02:44.08 | widrone | bbelt16ag: Define "old pc". |
| 02:44.19 | itchi | Using Etch, installed k3b, he ask to run k3bsetup to setup k3b, nothings happend, when i do it in the console, i get the error that he not find the k3bsetup2. Looking in the reportbug; find it; #360378 [FIXED k3b 0.12.15-1]: k3b doesn't run k3bsetup correctly. Look exactly the same problem. But that's fixed sinds 0.12.15-1? I have version 0.12.17-2b+1 |
| 02:44.22 | bbelt16ag | its a 1ghz with 256 mb of ram and a crappy dvd rom |
| 02:44.24 | enouf | bbelt16ag: right .. just gab the most recent DVD binary-1.iso |
| 02:44.26 | bbelt16ag | it wont boot it |
| 02:44.33 | bbelt16ag | my pc it will though |
| 02:44.50 | enouf | what arch? |
| 02:44.54 | bbelt16ag | i386 |
| 02:45.02 | enouf | "my pc" implies the other isn't |
| 02:45.05 | bbelt16ag | the dvd is not there for http download |
| 02:45.08 | bbelt16ag | well, |
| 02:45.16 | bbelt16ag | its newer to me but not new ya know? |
| 02:45.19 | bbelt16ag | anyways |
| 02:45.26 | enouf | EtchRC1 it maynot be yet .. but surely the other is .. I just used it |
| 02:45.37 | enouf | cdimage.debian.org |
| 02:45.57 | bbelt16ag | its like the netinstall i386 iso for 'cd' is a dvd i tried in nero linux. it boots fine on mypc and not on the new one i got. (its old but new to me) |
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| 02:46.41 | widrone | bbelt16ag: Where in the boot does it hang? |
| 02:46.45 | enouf | bbelt16ag: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 02:47.31 | dvs | 21 CDs?!? |
| 02:47.50 | enouf | bbelt16ag: run an md5sum check on it BEFORE (and AFTER if you like) you burn it |
| 02:48.04 | itchi | Maybe someone know what k3bsetup exactly does, so that i can do it manually? |
| 02:48.05 | bbelt16ag | it dosnt even get to boot screen |
| 02:48.09 | enouf | dvs .. hehe .. 3 DVDs beats 21 by 7 |
| 02:48.19 | bbelt16ag | it boots on mypc but not the other |
| 02:48.32 | enouf | food's here .. |
| 02:48.44 | enouf | what's the "other" anyways |
| 02:49.13 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:49.29 | bbelt16ag | well i think i forgot to tell you i want a CD net install. |
| 02:49.37 | bbelt16ag | and it does not work. |
| 02:50.06 | itchi | Like running k3b as root will also not work, he complain for the same thing |
| 02:50.07 | bbelt16ag | um itchi? use nero linux much less painfull ok? if you got the 2.6 kernel installed you should be a ok . |
| 02:50.17 | widrone | bbelt16ag: The same CD works in one machine, not in the other. Id start looking a hw issues. |
| 02:50.22 | bbelt16ag | download nerolinux(google search) |
| 02:50.26 | amphi | itchi: you here? |
| 02:50.28 | itchi | bbelt16ag: Is that free? |
| 02:50.33 | itchi | amphi: Yeah ;-) |
| 02:50.34 | bbelt16ag | well, i got stable to install |
| 02:50.46 | bbelt16ag | no its not... you gotta use a crack :) |
| 02:50.54 | amphi | itchi: j'ai bu trop de vin... |
| 02:50.57 | itchi | amphi: Trying to setup k3b here |
| 02:51.00 | bbelt16ag | but its worth it. |
| 02:51.13 | itchi | amphi: Est la biere? |
| 02:51.13 | itchi | amphi: ow |
| 02:51.13 | amphi | itchi: bah, cdrecord ;) |
| 02:51.15 | bbelt16ag | heh |
| 02:51.16 | itchi | amphi: hehe typo |
| 02:51.17 | bbelt16ag | anyways. |
| 02:51.17 | amphi | itchi: mais non |
| 02:51.45 | bbelt16ag | besides. |
| 02:51.50 | bbelt16ag | its a DVD not a cd |
| 02:51.53 | amphi | itchi: well, actually a drop from the rheinheitsgebot did pass my lips ;) |
| 02:51.56 | itchi | amphi: Looks like k3b have still a bug that normally should be already solved |
| 02:51.58 | bbelt16ag | thats a major on debian's side. |
| 02:52.04 | bbelt16ag | issue |
| 02:52.08 | itchi | amphi: haha ;-) |
| 02:52.08 | amphi | itchi: or bashburn ;) |
| 02:52.20 | bbelt16ag | 128 mb of a dvd... |
| 02:52.25 | bbelt16ag | what a waste. |
| 02:53.19 | bbelt16ag | er a 150 |
| 02:53.29 | bbelt16ag | ok i am gonna try to use the business card one. |
| 02:53.48 | dvs | bbelt16ag: the business card installer requires a network install |
| 02:53.55 | amphi | itchi: I just use cdrecord, it seems to work |
| 02:53.59 | bbelt16ag | i am complelty ok with that devs |
| 02:54.03 | bbelt16ag | thats what i want |
| 02:54.13 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.13 | itchi | amphi: I have not yet bashburn here |
| 02:54.41 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, im looking to that too, cdrecord, an good cli app will be usefull |
| 02:54.52 | amphi | itchi: it's not necessary; cdrecord, and possibly a series of tubes, does most things |
| 02:55.06 | bbelt16ag | cd cdrecord do dvds? |
| 02:55.37 | amphi | bbelt16ag: cdrecord will burn the image I believe |
| 02:55.55 | bbelt16ag | think i am sticking to nerolinux :) |
| 02:56.36 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, k3b tell about that, it's that he can not setup, k3bsetup. Aso about cdrdao |
| 02:57.11 | amphi | itchi: why do you need cdrdao? what are you doing? |
| 02:57.15 | bbelt16ag | ok this sucks |
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| 02:57.25 | bbelt16ag | nerolinux is saying its a DVD ISO |
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| 02:58.14 | bbelt16ag | dosnt make sense to me |
| 02:58.15 | itchi | amphi: No, k3b tell about these both, i dunno what cdrdoa does |
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| 02:58.30 | amphi | itchi: 'disk at once' |
| 02:58.35 | bbelt16ag | surly the people at debian.org know better then this? |
| 02:58.36 | enouf | itchi: URL please? dvd+rw-tools .. and use growisfs to create the DVD for ISO |
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| 02:58.57 | itchi | enouf: URL?? |
| 02:59.13 | amphi | itchi: perhaps see the cd-writing howto at tldp.org |
| 02:59.26 | enouf | amphi: my k3b here (older sid) has an issue with not being able to handle any files over 4GB .. |
| 02:59.30 | jamesd_ | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ... broke php apps, anyone know the fix, the browser wants to "save as" |
| 02:59.40 | enouf | itchi: yeah .. issues with k3b .. |
| 02:59.42 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, that will be a good begin ;-) Usually i burn and toast it with GUI |
| 02:59.55 | itchi | enouf: 23) #360378 [FIXED k3b 0.12.15-1]: k3b doesn't run k3bsetup correctly |
| 03:00.16 | itchi | enouf: But i have an decenter version number, that confus me a bit |
| 03:00.26 | amphi | itchi: gui? wtf? ;) |
| 03:01.02 | enouf | itchi: if you d/l the Debian binary-1{2,3}.iso you burn using this command : For ex $ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdd=/mnt/p3/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 03:01.10 | itchi | amphi: Mostly used k3b before :-) I had long time ago a bit tested the others, but that's near a year ago |
| 03:01.24 | enouf | itchi: for those issues ..setup .. i just suid to root for my opticals |
| 03:01.38 | amphi | itchi: in the end, there is only the shell ;) |
| 03:02.07 | bbelt16ag | ok i i relent. k3b is superb! |
| 03:02.14 | bbelt16ag | its working.. |
| 03:02.23 | bbelt16ag | er writing atm so we shall see if it works.. |
| 03:02.28 | bbelt16ag | perhaps a bug in nero? |
| 03:02.35 | enouf | itchi: also what I just told amphi = <enouf> amphi: my k3b here (older sid) has an issue with not being able to handle any files over 4GB .. so burning Debian DVDs using k3b wouldn't work anyway |
| 03:03.28 | enouf | bbelt16ag: visit club.cdfreaks,com and find the subtopic/category for nero linux and look |
| 03:03.34 | itchi | enouf: hhhm, yeah, a week ago on another box, burned some dvd's. But using Etch |
| 03:03.58 | enouf | DVDs .. yes , no prob.. but not over 4GB |
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| 03:04.27 | itchi | enouf: Yup, sorry for my 4,7 is over 4 :-) |
| 03:04.30 | enouf | itchi: unless my upgrades are sooooo far behind .. which is possible.. |
| 03:04.45 | zaphands | Hello. Is it possible to create a swap space on a file? |
| 03:04.57 | amphi | zaphands: yes |
| 03:04.59 | enouf | itchi: I mean unless that's been fixed in k3b .. I doubt it though .. but hey .. who knows :-P |
| 03:04.59 | itchi | enouf: It's an DL, but now you say it, on the price these cost, i not want to try to toast one |
| 03:05.23 | zaphands | how do I do it... I'm running out of memory and swap.. |
| 03:05.29 | enouf | itchi: oooohhhh .. I got a stack of DVD-R :-) |
| 03:05.40 | itchi | enouf: DL's? |
| 03:05.43 | enouf | zaphands: yes .. hold a sec |
| 03:05.52 | enouf | itchi: no .. SL |
| 03:05.58 | enouf | DVD-5 |
| 03:06.10 | itchi | enouf: ha, DL still coast many :-/ |
| 03:06.16 | bbelt16ag | ok i bow to the cd recording power of K3B |
| 03:06.18 | itchi | s/coast/cost/ |
| 03:06.27 | bbelt16ag | it worked sucessbully when nerolinux bugged out |
| 03:06.33 | widrone | zaphands: dd to make a file, mkswap on the file, swapon it. Thats the short version. |
| 03:06.38 | amphi | zaphands: you can use dd to create a file full of zeros, and mkswap and swap on that |
| 03:06.38 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.41 | bbelt16ag | can't |
| 03:06.50 | bbelt16ag | is there progress in this area? |
| 03:07.14 | zaphands | thanks. will that replace my current swap partition? |
| 03:07.27 | widrone | zaphands: Nope, you can have more then one. |
| 03:07.38 | zaphands | Thanks all! |
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| 03:07.42 | Cooner750 | I have a simple question |
| 03:07.42 | enouf | zaphands: here ya go http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/2679f9a8fc8939/85519f5714a8da21?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#85519f5714a8da21 |
| 03:07.55 | widrone | !beer enouf |
| 03:08.01 | amphi | zaphands: man mkswap has an example |
| 03:08.07 | enouf | zaphands: find "Grant's" response [articularly |
| 03:08.07 | Cooner750 | Is there a program or command I can install that will clone the internal hard drive to another internal hard drive? Or a LiveCD that can do this? |
| 03:08.18 | amphi | !wine me |
| 03:08.20 | enouf | thank you widrone .. what for thiough ? |
| 03:08.21 | widrone | amphi: Thats where I found it once, couldnt remember. Thanks! |
| 03:08.23 | amphi | ;) |
| 03:08.50 | Cooner750 | or would I use the cp command? |
| 03:09.04 | widrone | enouf: getting him the url, I was way too lazy. I remembered there being an example in a man page thu. amphi got that solved. |
| 03:09.07 | Cooner750 | Because I'd like to be able to clone the new install on this 7.5GB drive to a bigger 30GB drive I found |
| 03:09.12 | Cooner750 | So I dont have to reinstall |
| 03:09.17 | itchi | amphi: Not drunken enought?? ;-) |
| 03:09.39 | enouf | Cooner750: LiveCD dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb .. not mounted either.. you can use the cp -a command .. but not sure of the syntax and stuff |
| 03:09.42 | amphi | itchi: no, oblivion is still a mere mirage ;) |
| 03:09.44 | enouf | widrone: okie :-) |
| 03:10.07 | enouf | trying to enjoy my eggdrop soup and beef and brrccoli (hot and spicy) |
| 03:10.22 | Cooner750 | enouf: so use a LiveCD and run: dd if=/dev/hda of /dev/hdb (assuming the actual drive names) ? |
| 03:10.35 | Cooner750 | Not sure what LiveCD to use. A simple non-GUI one should work |
| 03:11.13 | enouf | bbelt16ag: what's the heck? .. growisofs calls cdrcords mkisofs .. so there! |
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| 03:12.00 | Cooner750 | Anyone have any suggesstions for a LiveCD to use? |
| 03:12.04 | Cooner750 | perferably a small one |
| 03:12.48 | Cooner750 | Maybe Slax Frodo |
| 03:13.23 | widrone | Any way to list all meta packages btw. I know there is a build-essentials, but are there any other for getting alot of necessary stuff installed. (When building fron source / packages and for cross building). |
| 03:13.23 | Cooner750 | How can I tell if it detected the internal drives? |
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| 03:13.50 | enouf | Cooner750: I would say so .. yes .. just make Backup before doping anything .. and make sure the drives that are being copied are not mounted .. see .. hold |
| 03:14.07 | bbelt16ag | enouf: what??!??!?! |
| 03:14.10 | enouf | bbelt16ag: itchi .. seen this? .. haven't tried it yet though http://www.dvdstyler.de/index.html |
| 03:14.26 | Cooner750 | Backup isnt all to important, it's a new install, I just didnt want to have to reinstall again |
| 03:14.44 | Cooner750 | Installing onto a 30GB WD drive I found, after I got done installing on the little 7.5 |
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| 03:15.02 | Cooner750 | And since it's a file server, some space is kind of necessary :P |
| 03:15.17 | enouf | Cooner750: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-knopx.html and http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.html |
| 03:15.18 | bbelt16ag | hmmp |
| 03:15.24 | bbelt16ag | enouf: its beta! |
| 03:15.29 | widrone | Cooner750: Why not system stuff on the 7.5G and the 30G for data the? |
| 03:15.31 | enouf | you're beta! |
| 03:15.39 | enouf | and I;m eating! |
| 03:15.44 | Cooner750 | widrone: Computer does not have physical room for both drives, or I would |
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| 03:15.51 | Cooner750 | It's a MicroATX |
| 03:15.52 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
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| 03:16.01 | bbelt16ag | does it work well? |
| 03:16.14 | bbelt16ag | since is ver 6/7 beta it should work well enough |
| 03:16.18 | widrone | Cooner750: oh, and I had more fun comming! :) |
| 03:16.53 | enouf | Cooner750: you knwo the Debian Installer "partman" will allow you to copy partitions |
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| 03:18.33 | bbelt16ag | enouf: good for you , eat up :) |
| 03:19.22 | agent | does apt-get install udeb's the same way as deb's or is there a special option for udeb's? |
| 03:19.52 | widrone | agent: dpkg -i file.udeb |
| 03:20.38 | bbelt16ag | udeb??? |
| 03:20.42 | bbelt16ag | unbuntu? |
| 03:20.43 | agent | widrone: so apt-get cannot handle udeb's? for example, on the netinstall there is only openssh-server-udeb, is apt-get install openssh-server-udeb supposed to work? |
| 03:20.46 | bbelt16ag | er whatever it is |
| 03:21.07 | bbelt16ag | i have no idea. never dealt with that distro |
| 03:21.11 | agent | bbelt16ag: no, The debian-installer project introduced package filenames that ends in .udeb. |
| 03:21.17 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:21.18 | widrone | agent: That I dont know, sorry. Try it? |
| 03:21.27 | bbelt16ag | unstable? |
| 03:21.30 | Supaplex | !udeb |
| 03:21.30 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 03:21.35 | enouf | udebs are smaller scaled down versions for the installer .. do not install them |
| 03:21.37 | agent | widrone: i did, E: Package openssh-server-udeb has no installation candidate :( |
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| 03:21.58 | widrone | agent: If your still stuck when I cone back I cna dig a little. The d-i manual on the wiki has some on it I think. |
| 03:22.09 | agent | enouf: i have no choice, its the only option for now |
| 03:22.11 | enouf | dpkg .. forgot about using you ^+^ |
| 03:22.17 | agent | widrone: thank you, i will look into it |
| 03:22.34 | agent | enouf: yes, there is dpkg, but that requires dep hunting :D |
| 03:22.35 | Supaplex | !fix widrone |
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| 03:22.59 | enouf | agent: well don't complain when it doesn't work right .. or your having dependency issues .. |
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| 03:23.48 | agent | enouf: ? that is why i was asking if apt-get can handle udeb properly |
| 03:24.02 | agent | enouf: if not, then obviously i have no choice but to dpkg :) |
| 03:24.19 | Supaplex | agent: what are you trying to do again? |
| 03:25.14 | agent | Supaplex: im installing from netinstall iso w/o net connection (for now) - i need sshd for, well, its rather complicated |
| 03:26.04 | Supaplex | ok. have fun :p |
| 03:26.09 | agent | :) |
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| 03:26.56 | abcdef | can someone tell me how debian compare to gentoo? |
| 03:26.56 | abcdef | :D |
| 03:26.58 | DerJamster | abcdef: hmmh |
| 03:27.00 | Cooner750 | What command can I use to see what hard drives the system detected? |
| 03:27.03 | abcdef | i want to swith to debian but i dont know if it worth it |
| 03:27.17 | enouf | agent: get a hold of the CD or DVD image and use apt-cdrom .. or apt-zip |
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| 03:27.27 | DerJamster | abcdef: well, I love it. Been a user of several years. If you're going for a binary all-round distro, I think it's the best. |
| 03:27.30 | lunitik | abcdef, What do you use now? |
| 03:27.32 | agent | enouf: not possible |
| 03:27.43 | DerJamster | lunitik: gentoo I think he said :> |
| 03:27.48 | enouf | agent: ok then .. on your own :-) |
| 03:27.52 | agent | :P |
| 03:28.04 | DerJamster | abcdef: basically, apt-get is very comfortable. package selection and cleaning is easy, it will automagically grab all dependencies.. |
| 03:28.10 | abcdef | I use gentoo |
| 03:28.11 | Supaplex | gentoo is like unstable+experimental in debian. :P |
| 03:28.20 | DerJamster | abcdef: many have a configuration dialog after installing |
| 03:28.24 | jeffwheeler | Hey. I'm having trouble installing Beryl. I've got it installed, but I can't seem to get it working correctly, because I can't close sawfish, which is currently running instead, and thus I can't launch it. |
| 03:28.33 | DerJamster | abcdef: it's very nice especially if you want to test a new piece of app real quick |
| 03:28.33 | Supaplex | and if you really want, you can still use source to rebuild your own. |
| 03:28.34 | enouf | !gentoosmite abcdef |
| 03:28.40 | lunitik | abcdef, Ahh... if you're sick of waiting a year to try new apps... its definitely worth it... Debian makes so many things easier... but you'll have to pretty much learn a new system... |
| 03:28.48 | DerJamster | abcdef: also, you can choose your flavor.. |
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| 03:28.57 | agent | enouf: thank you for you help - i know its not something easy to support when the answers are always "not possible" :) |
| 03:28.58 | abcdef | enouf, hahah yeah |
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| 03:29.06 | DerJamster | abcdef: stable (currently sarge), testing (currently 'etch') and unstable, always 'sid' |
| 03:29.12 | enouf | agent: no prob :-) |
| 03:29.36 | DerJamster | abcdef: the terms refer to the package selection more than actual software stability, tho unstable can cause problems at times. Tho I've run it on my desktop for a long time now |
| 03:29.36 | enouf | abcdef: nothing personal .. |
| 03:29.49 | abcdef | oh |
| 03:29.59 | enouf | !releases |
| 03:29.59 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 03:30.01 | abcdef | it takes too long to compile on gentoo :( |
| 03:30.03 | abcdef | i dont like it |
| 03:30.20 | Supaplex | then debian is for you! |
| 03:30.24 | DerJamster | abcdef: if you try gentoo, make sure to read http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
| 03:30.27 | Supaplex | welcome home. :) |
| 03:30.28 | abcdef | cool, let me download debian |
| 03:30.31 | lunitik | abcdef, You certainly realize that Debian is created by intelligent people... things like dpkg-reconfigure and module-assistent for instance make your life so much easier.... |
| 03:30.32 | abcdef | thanks guys! :) |
| 03:30.41 | DerJamster | abcdef: you can grab a netinstall. It's an iso at about 100 megs |
| 03:30.50 | abcdef | cool |
| 03:30.52 | DerJamster | abcdef: let me get the link. |
| 03:30.56 | radical_ | considering gentoo disqualifies anyone as a good debian user ;) |
| 03:30.56 | abcdef | okies |
| 03:31.10 | DerJamster | abcdef: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 03:31.33 | DerJamster | abcdef: this will install 'stable', tho you can fluidly and seamlessy upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 03:31.39 | Supaplex | more like </tease> but you know... :) |
| 03:31.43 | lunitik | radical_, Not true really... not coming back disqualifies you though... I like Gentoo in theory... but its just a pain to actually use.... |
| 03:31.47 | DerJamster | abcdef: I suggest testing for a desktop |
| 03:32.06 | DerJamster | abcdef: as 'stable' is released..yearly, and only gets bugfixes and minor updates then |
| 03:32.06 | abcdef | yep |
| 03:32.10 | abcdef | i'm downloading it |
| 03:32.11 | Supaplex | etch has a pretty good RC1 install iso now |
| 03:32.26 | radical_ | well, remembering my experience with the latest testing netinstall ... it could hardly get worse :p |
| 03:32.32 | enouf | abcdef: what's your hardware? |
| 03:32.37 | admin123 | how does one get all(only the debs no (download only)) from a --get-selections file? |
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| 03:32.51 | abcdef | Linux localhost 2.6.18 #1 SMP Fri Oct 6 11:11:02 Local time zone must be set--see zic m x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 03:33.01 | enouf | abcdef: and if it's not a mission critical server .. perhaps install etch RC1 .. |
| 03:33.14 | enouf | abcdef: install Etch |
| 03:33.15 | DerJamster | abcdef: it works like this..packages/versions end up in unstable. If they behave there for a few weeks, they end up in testing. And once every year the current testing Debian gets frozen, and becomes the stable. at that point you can stay at testing or make it stable |
| 03:33.18 | enouf | IMHO |
| 03:33.33 | DerJamster | yeah, etch is the current testing. I'd not use stable for the desktop. server..sure. |
| 03:33.34 | abcdef | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.01 | lunitik | abcdef, Etch is the first release to include amd64 |
| 03:34.09 | lunitik | well... will be |
| 03:34.17 | abcdef | cool |
| 03:34.27 | enouf | abcdef: sure.. but yhou may want to use i686 for 32bit and full compatability .. rather than true 64bit .. though I'm not sure how the AMD64 32/64 pkgs work exactly |
| 03:34.29 | DerJamster | I'd use 32 bit tho. Less hassle with some apps. 64 bit libs don't give you 'da boost',really. |
| 03:34.47 | abcdef | oh |
| 03:35.01 | radical_ | you dont really think that those 64bit stuff actually will run faster on those (in fact not fully 64bit) architectures? |
| 03:35.02 | abcdef | lunitik, work well? |
| 03:35.02 | DerJamster | it's not like the switch from 16 to 32 bit :D |
| 03:35.10 | Loto | I havnt run into any issues with my amd64 kernel |
| 03:35.16 | enouf | lunitik: does the AMD64 pkg include both 32 and 64bit mode choices during installation? is confused |
| 03:35.16 | lunitik | enouf, you have to manually do 32bit things currently... no multiarch in dpkg... the foundation for multiarch is there though (ia32-libs) |
| 03:35.20 | DerJamster | Loto: kernel != libs/userland :> |
| 03:35.23 | Loto | ah |
| 03:35.31 | DerJamster | the kernel should be 64bit if you have a 64bit sys, yeah :> |
| 03:35.34 | DerJamster | no harm in that. |
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| 03:36.04 | radical_ | but no amd user has a 64bit system, that goes for intel too |
| 03:36.07 | DerJamster | but some (usually binary distributed) apps or games don't like 64bit libs. |
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| 03:36.09 | lunitik | AMD64 will install a 64bit userland.... you have to manually install 32bit apps and libs |
| 03:36.41 | Loto | binary drivers? |
| 03:36.44 | lunitik | Would be nice if i386 contained a 64bit kernel just for ease, but it doesn't.... |
| 03:37.10 | radical_ | lunitik: i386 ... 64bit ... see the irony? |
| 03:37.14 | enouf | lunitik: ok .. that's clearer .. so for a complete nooobie .. nothing wrong wioth suggesting i686 I would think? .. or shoukd I ask dpkg about k8? |
| 03:37.15 | lunitik | Loto, I'm using fglrx under amd64 without issues (well, related issues... there are bugs in E17 making things ugly) |
| 03:37.29 | enouf | lunitik: ahh.. i see |
| 03:38.01 | loca|host | how to get informations about installed printers in console ? |
| 03:38.02 | lunitik | radical_, no... it should be possible to use a i386 userland with a 64bit kernel... if I install i386 there should be available a way to install a 64bit kernel... |
| 03:38.48 | lunitik | enouf, most should use i386 debian currently... yes... until after etch gets released, and they work on dpkg multiarch support.... |
| 03:38.57 | radical_ | lunitik: if you were to do that, you would essentially be emulating a 32bit system and that eats performance |
| 03:39.20 | lunitik | radical_, amd64 emulates 32bit without a performance hit |
| 03:39.33 | lunitik | (at least not a noticeable one) |
| 03:39.44 | radical_ | lunitik: that is, because its not a real 64bit processor |
| 03:39.57 | Loto | sure it is |
| 03:39.59 | lunitik | Windows 32bit versions are what comes with AMD64 generally by default... so its not a bad idea... |
| 03:40.34 | lunitik | radical_, umm... yes it is... it just emulates 32bit :/ |
| 03:40.48 | radical_ | and what is that intel EMT64? |
| 03:40.53 | oOGneaOo | radical_: then why do 16bit applications run so well on a 32bit platform? |
| 03:41.10 | lunitik | radical_, Its Intel's version of AMD64 afaik |
| 03:41.15 | radical_ | i really never got the point in building a 64bit cpu just to run 32bit software |
| 03:41.18 | Science | how do i download from a site that requires login details inside terminal? |
| 03:41.45 | oOGneaOo | radical_: did you ever get the point of playing playstation1 games on a plastation 2? |
| 03:42.00 | lunitik | radical_, Its not just to run 32bit apps... but many things are still 32bit (plugins mostly) so its a pita to stick to purely 64bit for users... |
| 03:42.10 | radical_ | oOGneaOo: i never got the point of a playstation in the first place ;) |
| 03:42.22 | lunitik | radical_, Its a better setup while the industry is not fully 64bit... |
| 03:42.29 | oOGneaOo | radical_: it's an example. |
| 03:43.01 | radical_ | hmm, so can i run a pure 64bit system with my core2duo? |
| 03:43.09 | oOGneaOo | radical_: perhaps you should do some proper research on the whole 64bit thing before attempting to mount an argument to which you won't win |
| 03:43.12 | lunitik | I don't think the industry will switch to pure 64bit until Microsoft drop 32bit :( |
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| 03:43.42 | oOGneaOo | lunitik: MS doesn't even have a real 32bit OS, how can they? |
| 03:43.55 | oOGneaOo | oh wait, they have novell now... |
| 03:44.02 | lunitik | oOGneaOo, hah... |
| 03:44.06 | lunitik | No comment |
| 03:44.07 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 03:44.27 | enouf | lunitik: ok .. thanks .. |
| 03:44.30 | radical_ | oOGneaOo: afaik there is no existing pure 64bit x86 processor, not all the way. i realize i dont know too much about the latest x86 architectures, but i have a feeling that im not entirely wrong |
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| 03:44.35 | lunitik | IS Core 2 Duo emt64? |
| 03:44.41 | loca|host | how to get informations about installed printers in console ? |
| 03:44.46 | lunitik | If it is... then yes... AMD64 should work on it. |
| 03:44.50 | radical_ | lunitik: so intel claims |
| 03:45.08 | oOGneaOo | radical_: well, like i said, go do your homework, then you can speculate. |
| 03:45.35 | oOGneaOo | radical_: but yeah, you're right - there's no pure 64bit proc right now, and for damn good reason |
| 03:45.44 | oOGneaOo | there's simply no market for it |
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| 03:46.08 | oOGneaOo | the only way to do it right is to ease up slowly, otherwise it will fail. |
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| 03:46.54 | bbelt16ag | so how do i get 16bit software to run in windows? |
| 03:47.03 | bbelt16ag | i know i know its for #windows. |
| 03:47.08 | oOGneaOo | bbelt16ag: double-click on it ;) |
| 03:47.10 | bbelt16ag | but i got a dos version of tetris |
| 03:47.22 | bbelt16ag | and it wont run on a 64bit core 2duo? |
| 03:47.28 | bbelt16ag | wierd... |
| 03:47.35 | bbelt16ag | windows xp |
| 03:47.36 | lunitik | oOGneaOo, there ARE pure 64 processors... for instance Opteron... which is getting attention in the server world.... |
| 03:47.38 | amphi | bbelt16ag: freedos under qemu? ;) |
| 03:47.51 | bbelt16ag | didnt try it |
| 03:47.54 | bbelt16ag | qemu? |
| 03:48.03 | bbelt16ag | windows software to emulate dos? |
| 03:48.08 | DerJamster | dosbox |
| 03:48.10 | DerJamster | whee |
| 03:48.11 | oOGneaOo | lunitik: you sure it's not just itanium? |
| 03:48.19 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 03:48.25 | DerJamster | it's a nice app :> |
| 03:48.26 | bbelt16ag | no she isnt gonna reboot to a dos os |
| 03:48.30 | DerJamster | no |
| 03:48.33 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:48.33 | DerJamster | use dosbox |
| 03:48.35 | bbelt16ag | misunderstood |
| 03:48.36 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:48.37 | DerJamster | as in..'dosbox'. google it :) |
| 03:48.40 | enouf | mkcompat |
| 03:48.57 | bbelt16ag | i will try it when i get up there for thanksgiving how big is the download of dosbox? |
| 03:48.59 | DerJamster | bbelt16ag: available for linux, too. |
| 03:49.01 | DerJamster | small |
| 03:49.06 | bbelt16ag | cool |
| 03:49.09 | enouf | slayerui.dll |
| 03:49.30 | radical_ | oOGneaOo: ah, i looked up the amd64 and emt64/em64t definitions, have you done any benchmarking? my guess is, 64bit only helps with IO intensive tasks, can you confirm that? |
| 03:50.00 | oOGneaOo | radical_: yes. |
| 03:50.06 | bbelt16ag | ty will try it |
| 03:50.18 | DerJamster | radical_: also if you need more than 4 gigs of ram :> |
| 03:51.20 | radical_ | in that case, em64t or amd64 makes for a pretty competetive database platform |
| 03:51.36 | radical_ | should beat the crap out of those sparc and power processors |
| 03:51.43 | oOGneaOo | yeah, it's pretty snazzy |
| 03:52.24 | oOGneaOo | that's like saying that 300gig sata drives would outperform 72gig scsi drives - what are you smoking? :) |
| 03:53.04 | DerJamster | I wonder..did they ever finish s-scsi |
| 03:53.07 | DerJamster | ? |
| 03:53.14 | radical_ | hmm, that comparison makes no sense |
| 03:53.33 | oOGneaOo | actually, dualcores are pretty nice, but sparc and ppc are built like tanks, just like scsi |
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| 03:54.01 | oOGneaOo | the way dualcores are built, however, they're just like tanks these days too... the test of time will reveal it tho |
| 03:54.15 | radical_ | thats more of a religious way too |
| 03:54.20 | enouf | DerJamster: you mean SAS? |
| 03:54.26 | d0uglas | can i open up more than two screen sessions to cycle through with ctrl a a? |
| 03:54.32 | DerJamster | enouf: could be :> |
| 03:54.33 | oOGneaOo | there's nothing religious about it, facts are facts |
| 03:54.33 | d0uglas | (on a single term) |
| 03:54.41 | DerJamster | haven't kept up on the scsi side of things. |
| 03:54.44 | DerJamster | serial scsi |
| 03:54.51 | enouf | SAS .. yes .. |
| 03:54.57 | oOGneaOo | DerJamster: eh? |
| 03:55.00 | enouf | Serial Attached SCSI |
| 03:55.18 | DerJamster | How's the performance of those? |
| 03:55.30 | amphi | d0uglas: yes |
| 03:55.38 | d0uglas | amphi: Cool. Now i'll go man screen. |
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| 03:55.45 | d0uglas | :) |
| 03:55.57 | abcdef | thank you people, i'm off to install debian :D |
| 03:55.57 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Attached_SCSI obviously :-) |
| 03:56.02 | DerJamster | abcdef: take care :> |
| 03:56.09 | d0uglas | abcdef: hope you got plenty of meth |
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| 03:56.22 | *** mode/#debian [+e mlewis00!*@*ipt.aol.com] by stew |
| 03:56.23 | d0uglas | just kidding debian goes on seemlessly in like thirty minutes |
| 03:56.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 03:56.44 | d0uglas | +e = ? |
| 03:57.06 | radical_ | DerJamster: get a wd raptor and youll know, thats a scsi drive in a s-ata casing. sas is basically the same thing |
| 03:57.06 | amphi | d0uglas: a thumping good read - I recently got round to enjoying the 'split' feature |
| 03:57.15 | enouf | Just a FYI .. the Tasksel choice on Desktop/Standard in the installer ends up being ~ 1.7GB |
| 03:57.23 | itchi | On one computer i have an TV card, up an running right, is it possible to watch remote tv? |
| 03:57.25 | d0uglas | split huh... okay i will seriously read it |
| 03:57.29 | DerJamster | radical_: ahh :) okay, that sounds good. |
| 03:57.35 | radical_ | they fiddle a little with the protocol here, increase the bandwidth there ... |
| 03:57.43 | d0uglas | split as in split screen, picture-in-picture style, but half and half? |
| 03:57.44 | DerJamster | radical_: tho SAS has alot more improvements than speed, according to the page :> |
| 03:57.45 | SJr|Work | Anyone know how I can create a 16MB file with an EXT2 partition in it? |
| 03:57.48 | Miles_Prower | .. Hello. I am attempting to configure IPTABLES forwarding between my eth0(external interface) and eth1(internal interface). I have set up DHCPD to give DHCP to the internal network, point the DNS servers to my ISP's temporarily. However, computers connected do NOT get to web pages. Any solutions? |
| 03:57.48 | DerJamster | sounds nice. and expensive ;P |
| 03:58.10 | Miles_Prower | I have already followed the howto at http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm |
| 03:58.14 | enouf | DerJamster: yeah the raptors are enterprise class sata drives hence the 36/72/144 sizing |
| 03:58.24 | radical_ | its backwards s-ata compatible, so a sas drive most likely wont be any faster just by beeing a sas drive. more likely performance increases will come from better hardware |
| 03:58.54 | d0uglas | cheapest site for airfare? |
| 03:59.03 | enouf | itchi: mythtv? |
| 03:59.12 | amphi | d0uglas: yeah, I built new wifi drivers for this and another machine; handy to have a local and remote wavemons running in a split screen session |
| 03:59.16 | stew | d0uglas: +e is an exception to a +b ban |
| 03:59.27 | DerJamster | enouf: hmh..how do those sizes relate to enterprises? |
| 03:59.27 | enouf | SJr|Work: for what? .. sure |
| 03:59.39 | enouf | DerJamster: they relate to scsi |
| 03:59.56 | itchi | Using tvtime over ssh looks to sime; i get an error when i try that and it quit directly: http://pastebin.ca/252172 |
| 03:59.57 | d0uglas | Nice of you to give consideration to a person in need trapped by a *.ipt.aol scarlet letter, stew. |
| 04:00.08 | DerJamster | enouf: ah, I see. |
| 04:00.26 | enouf | mutip[les of 9.1 basically :-) |
| 04:00.26 | oOGneaOo | SJr|Work: dd if=/dev/zero of=yada.blah bs=16M count=1 && losetup /dev/loop/0 yada.blah && mkfs.ext2 /dev/loop0 |
| 04:00.45 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, mythtv is very nice, have use it a bit, but to many overkill for me and i have to less space for that encoding type that mythtv use. It use to many space |
| 04:01.17 | stew | d0uglas: we're always happy to make exceptions for registered users when we end up making such broad, and obviously overreaching bans |
| 04:01.24 | enouf | itchi: ok .. in that context .. just soyou know .. it's "too" (meaning too much .. or also) |
| 04:01.27 | itchi | enouf: I just want somethings simple to just watch tv on the laptop over ssh, should be usefull some time |
| 04:01.38 | amphi | itchi: you can't change the encoding? like give it a mencoder cmdline? |
| 04:01.40 | oOGneaOo | d0uglas: they do it to themselves, that's just how it is. |
| 04:01.56 | enouf | itchi: I'm sure there's asomething .. just I haven't had to yet |
| 04:02.03 | itchi | enouf: I need to buy an extra box with big hdd for mythtv, not yet enought money right now, that's for later ;-) |
| 04:02.13 | enouf | itchi: understood :-) |
| 04:02.23 | d0uglas | stew: Is You should know better your own personal touch on kick messages or is that a standard freenode thing. |
| 04:02.30 | d0uglas | because it's effective |
| 04:02.38 | itchi | enouf: Have already test, it mythtv is realy crazy :-) |
| 04:02.43 | d0uglas | really made me feel guilty about trolling, one dark manic night long long ago |
| 04:02.58 | oOGneaOo | so, moving forward now... |
| 04:03.22 | stew | d0uglas: its the default from the script which don wrote that many of us use: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/irc/.irssi/scripts/auto_bleh.pl |
| 04:04.02 | Miles_Prower | ..!<>!.. |
| 04:04.10 | itchi | Usually i use tvtime to watch, simply good, and small borders around there, fit good in my fluxbox. Want to use that remotely if possible :-/ |
| 04:04.18 | amphi | 'auto_bleh', heh |
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| 04:04.39 | itchi | I guess i should do somethings maybe?? |
| 04:04.53 | Miles_Prower | .. Hello. I am attempting to configure IPTABLES forwarding between my eth0(external interface) and eth1(internal interface). I have set up DHCPD to give DHCP to the internal network, point the DNS servers to my ISP's temporarily. However, computers connected do NOT get to web pages. Any solutions? |
| 04:04.58 | Miles_Prower | I have already followed the howto at http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm |
| 04:05.04 | enouf | itchi: maybe need to export .Xauthiority and such on the remote |
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| 04:05.43 | [Hugo] | j #debian-br |
| 04:05.46 | enouf | itchi: must make sure X on the remote is setup correctly first |
| 04:06.04 | enouf | itchi: hang on |
| 04:06.12 | itchi | enouf: I dunno how, i still looking each link on google haha |
| 04:06.23 | A310 | Miles_Prower, have you tried pinging from one of the NAT boxes to your ISP ip? then to your inet gateway and so on? |
| 04:07.03 | Miles_Prower | A310: Moment while I try that. |
| 04:07.28 | bbelt16ag | hehehe |
| 04:07.33 | bbelt16ag | dosbox can run it woooooooot |
| 04:07.35 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 04:07.44 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:07.57 | A310 | bbelt16ag, what are you doing? |
| 04:08.07 | bbelt16ag | tetris on my friend's box :) |
| 04:08.16 | itchi | heh |
| 04:08.27 | itchi | bbelt16ag: apt-cache search tetris :-) |
| 04:08.33 | bbelt16ag | no no. |
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| 04:08.43 | Zambezi | I can't make rsync work, but I'm pretty close to do. Can anyone help me with the last bit? |
| 04:08.46 | Brime | can anyone here point me to where I can get help geting my Xserver up and runing... *is noob* |
| 04:08.46 | itchi | bbelt16ag: There are realy many nice variants, tetrinet online is funny too |
| 04:08.47 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.59 | bbelt16ag | she wants to play the one she has |
| 04:09.08 | Miles_Prower | A310: they can ping external address, internal gateway, but NOT the modem's IP. |
| 04:09.20 | d0uglas | all i'm hearing is duo 2 this, duo 2 that ... has there recently been a shift in k-radness from amd to intc? |
| 04:09.35 | A310 | Miles_Prower, wll, that lets us know routing is basicly working, id check firewall rules |
| 04:09.43 | d0uglas | should i tell momma to sell her amd stock? |
| 04:09.56 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 04:10.02 | d0uglas | Okay. |
| 04:10.03 | bbelt16ag | but low sell high |
| 04:10.10 | Miles_Prower | A310: No firewall set up. |
| 04:10.10 | bbelt16ag | amd is gonna pull out |
| 04:10.11 | itchi | Brime: See /msg dpkg install x |
| 04:10.14 | d0uglas | Ohhh, so that's what you should do with stocks :) |
| 04:10.19 | bbelt16ag | :) |
| 04:10.23 | itchi | Brime: You just want to install it? |
| 04:10.30 | d0uglas | Really 'cause lately amd's been making me nervous |
| 04:10.32 | A310 | Miles_Prower, your using what for NAT then? |
| 04:10.40 | itchi | Brime: ... at first place at least |
| 04:10.53 | Miles_Prower | A310: IPTables. I haven't set up any firewall settings with it yet though. |
| 04:11.09 | d0uglas | does intel now "have the lead" in terms of megahertz or teraflops or whatever per atomic unit of transistors |
| 04:11.14 | A310 | post your rules at pastebin or what ever your fav paste site is |
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| 04:11.22 | Brime | itchi its installed but its having a hard time running on my old hardware |
| 04:11.32 | Miles_Prower | A310: How do I find out what my rules are? |
| 04:11.36 | d0uglas | A310: if by fav paste site you mean pastebin.ca, then you would be right |
| 04:11.39 | itchi | Brime: What's happend exactly? |
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| 04:11.58 | A310 | and your NAT box can ping your modem right ;) |
| 04:12.05 | Miles_Prower | I'm on it right now. |
| 04:12.08 | A310 | d0uglas, what ever floats your boat |
| 04:12.09 | Miles_Prower | talking to you. =P |
| 04:12.09 | hologram | evening |
| 04:12.28 | A310 | Miles_Prower, if you do not know how, then how do you know what is set!? |
| 04:12.29 | Brime | itchi it errors out and i'm not shure what i'm looking for in the log file |
| 04:12.46 | Miles_Prower | A310: The readme I posted has a script that is supposed to set it properly. |
| 04:13.36 | Miles_Prower | A310: I followed their directions to adapt the script exactly. |
| 04:13.42 | itchi | Brime: In the /var/log/xorg.log there should be some error message like (EE) or maybe pastebin the error log, see /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 04:13.47 | A310 | ok try http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 04:13.47 | Miles_Prower | A310: would you like to look at a copy of the script I used? |
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| 04:14.44 | itchi | Brime: I think it should be easier that us see the complete log file and tell you what's happend exactly, so your learn of it |
| 04:14.54 | Miles_Prower | A310: http://tails.kicks-ass.net/route_start.txt |
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| 04:15.10 | A310 | Miles_Prower, no i want your rule list, after learning the networking needed |
| 04:15.20 | Miles_Prower | A310: Ok. |
| 04:15.32 | Brime | itchi ok i'll do that |
| 04:15.38 | Miles_Prower | A310: Wait a min or two while i type your url in. |
| 04:16.42 | d0uglas | in putty i can have it "ping" the host with null packets every now and then so i don't drop the connection from idling. Similar option in ssh? |
| 04:17.24 | Miles_Prower | A310: page is loading. takes a while. |
| 04:17.37 | A310 | yes it is ALOT of info |
| 04:18.03 | A310 | it is my prefred info on iptables, i don remember everything there s to it |
| 04:18.04 | Miles_Prower | A310: Is there a simple command to spit all the rules to like, a txt file? |
| 04:18.13 | amphi | A310: a _lot_ of info is available at netfilter.org |
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| 04:18.51 | itchi | Brime: Do cat /pat/of/log/file | curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 04:19.02 | itchi | Brime: And give back the url here |
| 04:19.17 | Miles_Prower | a310 ahh, iptables-save |
| 04:19.27 | itchi | Brime: You should get Location: http://pastebin.com/xxxxxx |
| 04:19.33 | Brime | ok |
| 04:19.36 | A310 | amphi, that also is true, i have this linked in favs from a while back, maybe i should update? (i now build dedicated soho routers when i need NAT instead of a full debian box so ive fallen out of using it beyond basics anymore) |
| 04:19.39 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 04:20.01 | itchi | amphi: Just tested that new thing of the pastebin factoid :-) |
| 04:20.17 | itchi | shit, if i had know about that before ... |
| 04:20.31 | oOGneaOo | itchi: yeah, it's fairly new :) |
| 04:20.32 | Miles_Prower | A310: http://tails.kicks-ass.net/iptables.txt |
| 04:20.33 | amphi | itchi: definitely a 'funky one liner' ;) |
| 04:21.08 | itchi | At least we still need to use that factoid to use that i think, wo gona remember that whole line to type haha |
| 04:21.23 | oOGneaOo | wow, SCSI drives are cheap on ebay |
| 04:22.34 | itchi | Brime: heh, type the command right he :-p |
| 04:22.54 | Brime | itchi ya its a lot >_< |
| 04:23.01 | A310 | Miles_Prower, BRB |
| 04:23.15 | itchi | Brime: But usefull :-) |
| 04:23.42 | itchi | Brime: He, turn that maybe in an personaly script?? |
| 04:23.50 | oOGneaOo | http://tinyurl.com/w7ef4 hrmmm |
| 04:23.56 | itchi | Maybe us should that add as an deb ?? |
| 04:24.07 | itchi | A little script |
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| 04:24.48 | Brime | itchi I need to apt-get curl so it will be a min |
| 04:25.03 | itchi | Brime: Yup, saw it here too |
| 04:25.18 | loca|host | how to debug the parallel port ? |
| 04:26.45 | hologram | Miles_Prower: have you broken teh intarwebz again? |
| 04:27.04 | Miles_Prower | hologram: Our router's been locking up more and more lately, it overheats? |
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| 04:27.17 | Miles_Prower | hologram: So my idea is to take the web/file server and ALSO make it the router. |
| 04:27.21 | hologram | Miles_Prower: what sort of router? |
| 04:27.33 | hologram | Miles_Prower: great idea.. linux is perfect for the job |
| 04:27.38 | Miles_Prower | hologram: Linksys WRT-54G V1.1 running DD-WRT. |
| 04:27.56 | hologram | Miles_Prower: ah i just run the linksys firmware .. no probs there |
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| 04:28.14 | Miles_Prower | hologram: Yes, running the linux on it DID make it more stable. |
| 04:28.29 | hologram | think you misread me |
| 04:28.37 | bonez41 | ..if I run apt-get to install a package....would apt-get downgrade something...or would it only attempt to install a newer package, if available? |
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| 04:28.51 | Miles_Prower | hologram: but as the next 2 years wore on, and the few lightning strikes we've had.. dead psu's.. it's starting to fail. |
| 04:28.57 | Sargun | if I run apt-get to install a package....would apt-get downgrade something...or would it only attempt to install a newer package, if available? |
| 04:29.27 | Miles_Prower | hologram: (DD-WRT = updated linux firmware for said machine. third-party) |
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| 04:29.47 | hologram | Miles_Prower: yes |
| 04:29.58 | hologram | Miles_Prower: there are other alternative firmwares as well |
| 04:30.12 | hologram | ie openwrt |
| 04:30.14 | Miles_Prower | hologram: DD-WRT utterly fixed our bittorrent horrors. =P |
| 04:30.16 | hologram | or even the sveasoft |
| 04:30.26 | hologram | ah i never had torrent probs with the stock linksys firmware |
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| 04:30.45 | Brime | itchi wow thats some magic going on there http://pastebin.com/827849 |
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| 04:31.53 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 04:32.10 | itchi | Brime: Okay, now you should do the same thing, but of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or xfree) Use the history feature of the shell, the up key |
| 04:32.14 | itchi | amphi: Yes? |
| 04:32.21 | Brime | itchi ok |
| 04:32.25 | A310 | okies back |
| 04:32.31 | Miles_Prower | A310: Wb |
| 04:32.35 | A310 | ty |
| 04:32.50 | amphi | itchi: you intoxicate Brime with your factoid |
| 04:33.24 | Miles_Prower | A310: added new info. If i use the IP for the external IP, I am able to load the local webpages from inside the network. |
| 04:33.42 | itchi | amphi: x is not running :-/ know you an better way to pastebin an error message? I'm going to write an little Python script to make it easy |
| 04:33.46 | loca|host | how to read/write data to parallel port (plip0) |
| 04:33.56 | Miles_Prower | A310: but not the DNS. |
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| 04:34.26 | itchi | amphi: Usually i use xclip, when x is running |
| 04:34.27 | Brime | itchi I don't have that file... Is that a problem? |
| 04:34.33 | A310 | Miles_Prower, ok, check your default gw on the client boxes |
| 04:34.42 | Miles_Prower | A310: I set up the DHCPD to give as dns' the dns servers from our ISP. That should be slow, but functional untill I learn how to set up a caching DNS. (re. Straterra_) |
| 04:34.47 | amphi | itchi: w3m - it'll spawn $EDITOR for you to read in your crap |
| 04:34.51 | itchi | Brime: If you are running Sarge, it is xfree* |
| 04:34.51 | A310 | and do a trace route from both the NAT server and the clients |
| 04:35.01 | amphi | itchi: but the funky one liner is nice |
| 04:35.09 | itchi | amphi: The problem is copy and paste without x |
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| 04:35.25 | amphi | itchi: read in a file, or gpm |
| 04:35.29 | Miles_Prower | A310: Gateway is 192.168.1.1 (my eth1 ip) |
| 04:35.30 | itchi | amphi: Problematic when you have many many line |
| 04:35.40 | Miles_Prower | A310: What ip's do you wish me to traceroute? |
| 04:35.42 | itchi | amphi: Yup that to |
| 04:35.57 | A310 | Miles_Prower, ok if gw is good trace your dns servers |
| 04:35.58 | iNToIT | you tell me ;) |
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| 04:36.21 | itchi | amphi: With gpm, if you have more than your screen to copy, can you do that, without doing it in several spitted times? |
| 04:36.54 | Brime | itchi I don't have eather file. |
| 04:36.58 | amphi | itchi: redirect to file, w3m $PASTEBIN_URL, read in the file, submit |
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| 04:37.41 | Miles_Prower | A310: It goes to 192.168.1.1 and then stops. times out (on client machines) |
| 04:38.17 | itchi | amphi: Wooaa, i not understand, but need to give it an try |
| 04:38.20 | amphi | itchi: I expect you can have lynx read in a file to a form, but I use w3m |
| 04:38.31 | Miles_Prower | A310: on the server it gives more info. want a txt of it? |
| 04:38.54 | amphi | itchi: if you reach a multiline field in a web form in w3m, w3m will spawn $EDITOR |
| 04:39.01 | itchi | amphi: Ow, on the pastebin site you mean "Please enter your new post below (or upload a file instead):" |
| 04:39.11 | A310 | where does it die from the client, they should match cept for having the 192 network added |
| 04:39.29 | Miles_Prower | A310: from 192.168.1.1 on is dead. |
| 04:39.37 | amphi | itchi: w3m will do that for a multiline field in a form |
| 04:39.37 | itchi | amphi: hhhmm, yeah, now i understand better ;-) |
| 04:40.00 | A310 | ok then its the iptables rules that are not working, i thought they looked ok but something is amiss |
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| 04:40.53 | Miles_Prower | A310: here btw is the script I ran to configure it. |
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| 04:41.05 | Miles_Prower | A310: http://tails.kicks-ass.net/route_start.txt |
| 04:41.37 | A310 | do iptables -l |
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| 04:41.45 | A310 | it should list all the current rules |
| 04:42.00 | Miles_Prower | it said unknown art '-l' |
| 04:42.03 | Miles_Prower | *arg |
| 04:42.04 | amphi | or iptables-save |
| 04:42.28 | A310 | doesnt that save the current rules? |
| 04:42.42 | Miles_Prower | oh! |
| 04:42.44 | Miles_Prower | capital L works. |
| 04:42.46 | loca|host | how to get the parallel port's device name (/dev/?) |
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| 04:43.05 | A310 | oh doh my bad, i SAID i dont remember everything |
| 04:43.15 | amphi | A310: dumps 'em to stdout |
| 04:43.24 | Miles_Prower | A310: http://tails.kicks-ass.net/iptables_l.txt |
| 04:45.19 | A310 | oh wow ok that isnt right |
| 04:45.45 | A310 | amphi, ill need to remember that, never used it on the routers i use |
| 04:45.50 | Miles_Prower | A310: looking at the script I linked, would that script do the trick if it was working right? |
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| 04:47.42 | A310 | Miles_Prower, i dont know for sure, not good at reading that script, you need a masq line to fix this |
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| 04:48.28 | Miles_Prower | A310: K then, gimme what to do. =P |
| 04:48.33 | A310 | what i have in my notes (if its not in my notes i hardly remember it fyi) |
| 04:48.48 | A310 | ill /msg, doing here is a bad idea |
| 04:48.54 | Miles_Prower | K. |
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| 04:49.53 | Brime | itchi I think this is it http://pastebin.com/827859 |
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| 04:51.23 | Brime | itchi its /ect/X11/XF86Config-4 not shure thats it |
| 04:51.31 | itchi | Brime: Ir is |
| 04:51.34 | itchi | ow |
| 04:51.35 | hooya | anyone own a PODxt by any chance? |
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| 04:51.53 | itchi | Brime: I think that the vesa driver can not support 24 depth colors |
| 04:52.18 | Brime | itch ohh ok should I try 16 then? |
| 04:52.23 | itchi | Brime: Try |
| 04:52.27 | Brime | ok |
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| 04:59.22 | Brime | itchi well Its not complaning about my screen now its the mouse |
| 05:00.18 | itchi | Brime: Is the mouse module loaded? |
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| 05:00.37 | Brime | itchi i'm not shure... how do i check? |
| 05:00.48 | itchi | Brime: lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 05:01.00 | enouf | Brime: modprobe psmouse mousedev .. it not usb |
| 05:01.17 | enouf | if not* |
| 05:01.20 | Zambezi | I'm having big problems with rsync. Can anyone help me make it work? Transfer with gFTP is painfully slow. |
| 05:02.33 | itchi | enjoin |
| 05:02.36 | itchi | arg |
| 05:02.41 | itchi | fucking tochpad |
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| 05:03.15 | amphi | itchi: touchpads are teh sukc - I disabled mine in bios |
| 05:03.20 | itchi | Why it come that some time that tapping get enabled? It's disable in the xorg :-/ |
| 05:03.42 | Brime | itchi nothing under psmouse but under mouse i get some stuff |
| 05:03.51 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i got chance, one line only ;-) |
| 05:03.54 | enouf | Zambezi: will try .. can you use scp and/or netcat? maybe see http://sial.org/howto/rsync/ |
| 05:04.06 | itchi | Brime: And mousedev? |
| 05:04.27 | itchi | Brime: Is it an usb stuff or PS2 or maybe serial? |
| 05:04.37 | amphi | itchi: there's a line,which I forget, for the synaptics - some timoeout set to 0 IIRC |
| 05:04.49 | enouf | Brime: what's "not complaning about my screen now its the mouse" mean exactly |
| 05:05.11 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 05:05.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:05.16 | Brime | itchi there is some stuff under mousedev and its a ps2 mouse |
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| 05:05.35 | itchi | amphi: It's disabled in the xorg, i not like that tapping like it's crap some time. But the /mouse/ i want to use, not that tapping. I need to buy an extra mouse for the laptop |
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| 05:05.37 | Zambezi | enouf, I use gFTP with SSH2 (openssh-server) and the speed is 1300 KB/s. When I has Windows, the speed was five times faster. |
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| 05:06.02 | amphi | itchi: I have the keyboard stick thing |
| 05:06.05 | enouf | Zambezi: I doubt it |
| 05:06.17 | itchi | amphi: I not understand |
| 05:06.17 | Zambezi | enouf, And between Windows - Linux the speed was two times faster. |
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| 05:06.36 | Zambezi | enouf, It was. 1300 KB/s compare to 7000 KB/s. |
| 05:06.38 | amphi | itchi: the other laptop pointing device |
| 05:06.52 | enouf | all internal network? |
| 05:06.57 | enouf | Zambezi: ^^ |
| 05:06.58 | hooya | Zambezi: what were you using when copying files on windows? |
| 05:06.58 | itchi | amphi: heh, still not get it ;-) |
| 05:07.21 | Zambezi | hooya, FlashFXP and ServU. |
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| 05:07.30 | amphi | itchi: a button in the keyboard that moves the pointer |
| 05:07.35 | itchi | amphi: Ow, that thing between the g h y b keys of the keyboarD? |
| 05:07.37 | sanmarcos | how can I find out which process is using the X port TCP? |
| 05:07.37 | Zambezi | enouf, Internal yes. |
| 05:07.48 | hooya | ssh (sftp, scp) has to encrypt it before sending it and decrypt it after receiving it. |
| 05:07.48 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, got it ;-) I not have that here |
| 05:07.58 | amphi | itchi: yeah |
| 05:08.21 | amphi | itchi: they are the best IMHO - trackpads are very unusable for me |
| 05:08.22 | enouf | Zambezi: were you using ssh? .. the encrypting takes time and cpu cycles .. dunno those win apps |
| 05:08.27 | Zambezi | hooya, I used Implicit SSL in Windows. |
| 05:08.35 | enouf | Zambezi: as hooya said |
| 05:08.59 | Zambezi | enouf, No. Check above. |
| 05:09.04 | itchi | amphi: My hands are to humid, that's sad for the touchpad :-) |
| 05:09.18 | enouf | ok .. dunno then |
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| 05:09.31 | itchi | amphi: The mouse will be there soon ;-) |
| 05:09.47 | hooya | if it's all internal network, try setting /etc/rsync/rsyncd.conf and use the rsync protocol. not rsync on top of scp. that should make it go faster. if you find that you have more CPU cycles but your network thruput is slow, use the -z switch for rsync. |
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| 05:09.57 | Zambezi | enouf, hooya But there got to be a way to securely send files over the LAN faster then 1,3 MB/s. |
| 05:10.06 | Brime | itchi ok umm it's working now, I ran startx as root and gnome is loading |
| 05:10.17 | amphi | itchi: PITA with a laptop - toshiba used to have the pointing sticks |
| 05:10.22 | itchi | Brime: Good ;-) |
| 05:10.39 | Brime | itchi thanks ^_^ |
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| 05:10.59 | itchi | Brime: Maybe, later you want to use an more appropieted driver, to go up to 24 and to 1024x768 if the card does it |
| 05:11.03 | hooya | Zambezi: find out if it's the CPU usage or the network that's causing the bottleneck. if it's network, use -z ... |
| 05:11.43 | itchi | amphi: He, mine not :-/, it's an A110-178 |
| 05:11.45 | hooya | Zambezi: first you have to find out what is causing the bottleneck |
| 05:11.54 | Brime | itchi its an old monitor it only goes to 800x600 |
| 05:11.54 | Zambezi | hooya, It's not the CPU. That's for sure. If it's something, it got to be the IPCop. |
| 05:12.02 | amphi | itchi: maybe they stopped - they're not popular |
| 05:12.36 | hooya | Zambezi: what's IPCop? |
| 05:12.37 | Zambezi | hooya, Firewall-OS. |
| 05:12.37 | hooya | hmm.. sorry don't know anything about it. |
| 05:12.44 | Zambezi | hooya, I have two Realtek networkcards there. |
| 05:13.23 | hooya | Zambezi: is there any way to see if the host running IPCop is dropping packets? |
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| 05:14.01 | enouf | hooya: IPCop also encrypts IIRC .. it's an XP security thing i think |
| 05:14.05 | itchi | amphi: Heh, i see some pics on google image, the same model have some other looks too |
| 05:14.35 | enouf | er .. am I thinking of IPSec .. doh! |
| 05:14.45 | Zambezi | hooya, I don't know. It's working for me, so I don't care so much how it's working, but I can try to find out. |
| 05:15.51 | Zambezi | enouf, So there's tripple encryptions? But there got to be a way. I don't even use the computer during transfers casue I'm afraid something will happen. |
| 05:16.24 | enouf | Zambezi: not sure .. it is possible |
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| 05:17.35 | hooya | Zambezi: first you have to find out where the bottleneck is. check CPUs, network usage (if you have managed switches, it's real easy) etc.. |
| 05:17.37 | Zambezi | enouf, I don't care if it's maximum, but if I can transfer in 5 MB/s I'm satisfied. 10 MB/s would be a dream. More is not possible. |
| 05:17.48 | sanmarcos | cylons are firends |
| 05:18.10 | Zambezi | hooya, The switch is not managed. |
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| 05:19.05 | hooya | Zambezi: also make sure your hard drive is not the bottleneck |
| 05:20.09 | hooya | the max i've gotten is about 4MB/s ... i think. |
| 05:20.11 | Zambezi | hooya, The CPU is 25% on the sender. But this is on a P2. Usally I send files between P4 and PC2,6. |
| 05:20.36 | Zambezi | hooya, I have encryption on the harddrives. |
| 05:21.21 | hooya | do some read write thruput tests on the drives.. 'bonnie' comes to mind. |
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| 05:25.00 | ton | how could i get the ip(s) of my lan ? is there one program to get them, |
| 05:26.15 | tamiya | Hey guys, check out this new blog on Linux and Mac OS X. It'll open up your eyes. http://unrealfantasy.blogspot.com |
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| 05:28.16 | itchi | hehe |
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| 05:29.15 | amphi | itchi: but they will not ;) |
| 05:30.29 | amphi | itchi: you appear to show signs of nocturnalism... |
| 05:30.36 | itchi | amphi: yup |
| 05:30.49 | itchi | amphi: And more in the week-end :-) |
| 05:31.28 | hooya | that was interesting.. tamiya did a 'irc-by'.. |
| 05:31.45 | amphi | hooya: multichannel spam? |
| 05:31.55 | hooya | ah. |
| 05:32.17 | hooya | i was suckered in. :( |
| 05:32.41 | amphi | just say 'no' to tautology ;) |
| 05:32.50 | hooya | indeed. |
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| 05:34.07 | Zambezi | hooya, According to the systemgraphs at IPCop, it's just about 20% during some internal transfers. |
| 05:34.27 | tarco | hello all |
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| 05:35.05 | tarco | hey rawk |
| 05:35.09 | Rawk | hi |
| 05:35.26 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, past night i goes to fast in my bed, so now i'm here half of the night :-) |
| 05:35.55 | hooya | that reminded me. i had a bitch of a time installing windows XP on a cousins computer (i'm the family tech after all). i had to download the drivers to install the driver for the networking card. had cable but not networking. so when people bitch about things not working in linux out of the box i would have liked to drop that XP box on that morons head... it was a dell no less (not some off brand beige box). |
| 05:36.05 | Rawk | hi everybody |
| 05:36.13 | enouf | Zambezi: still there ? maybe try $ apt-cache show zsync .. then try it .. docs here http://zsync.moria.org.uk/paper200501/index.html ... or if secure within network .. maybe just 'cp -al' man cp .. or .tar.gz before the tranfser |
| 05:36.14 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 05:36.56 | tarco | would anyone know how to install kde on to a debian box |
| 05:37.13 | hooya | tarco, 'apt-get install kde'? |
| 05:37.18 | amphi | tarco: aptitude install kde perhaps |
| 05:37.22 | tarco | ty |
| 05:37.52 | itchi | tarco: Maybe you are interesting in /msg dpkg install kde |
| 05:38.03 | enouf | ton .. ifconfig -a |
| 05:38.03 | hooya | Zambezi: are you sure your drives can give you a better thruput than what you are getting currently? |
| 05:38.19 | Zambezi | enouf, I install zsync now. |
| 05:38.35 | tarco | also would i have to get drivers for my video card |
| 05:39.13 | Rawk | tarco installed base debian or something, and would like help installing a WM and drivers |
| 05:39.24 | Zambezi | hooya, Some of the should. The systemdrive won't be a bottleneck right? |
| 05:39.24 | tarco | ty rawk |
| 05:40.21 | hooya | Zambezi: the drive with the partition with the files you are trying to copy from/to |
| 05:40.32 | Rawk | is it installing something tarco? |
| 05:40.43 | tarco | rawk: yes |
| 05:40.50 | Rawk | good |
| 05:41.04 | tarco | 46 minets left |
| 05:41.20 | Zambezi | hooya, They shouldn't be a bootleneck. Okay, they are encrypted, but that shouldn't slow them down that much. |
| 05:41.39 | hooya | Zambezi: you'd be surprized.. |
| 05:42.33 | hooya | Zambezi: if you have an unencrypted files sytem, copy your files over to that partition and try the network transfer. see if you see any difference. |
| 05:43.12 | vivithemage | !nvidia |
| 05:43.13 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 05:43.23 | vivithemage | !nvidia installer |
| 05:43.23 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 05:43.36 | itchi | !tell vivithemage -about selftell |
| 05:43.39 | vivithemage | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:43.40 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 05:44.42 | itchi | vivithemage: See your PM |
| 05:44.49 | Zambezi | hooya, The systemharddrive is only 5400 RPM 2 MB cache. That's not encrypted, but I might slows down the transfer too. |
| 05:44.56 | vivithemage | yes i have what i want ;/ |
| 05:45.26 | tarco | rawk you there |
| 05:45.35 | Rawk | yup lol |
| 05:46.17 | myren | whats the package with vconfig in it? |
| 05:46.27 | myren | its how you add vlan trunks to eth interfaces |
| 05:46.36 | Zambezi | hooya, I tried now and that's no differce. |
| 05:46.38 | myren | 802.1q turnking |
| 05:46.44 | myren | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.26 | hooya | Zambezi: sure. i have a hunch that your slowdown is filesystem/drive related. keep in mind that even with good scsi drives on raid system, i've only had about 13MB/s transfers. on systems with SATA, the max i've had so far is about 4MB/s -- from what i recall.. |
| 05:48.32 | hooya | Zambezi: use bonnie to benchmark your drives and see how they perform.. |
| 05:48.59 | hooya | the PCI bus tends to be a problem as well. |
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| 05:49.34 | Zambezi | hooya, But then I better skip SSH and try another method. But when I almost made rsync to work I give a hint that the speed was 3 MB/s. |
| 05:50.28 | Zambezi | hooya, Do you know how long the Bonne-test is? |
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| 05:53.10 | d0uglas | I get about 14KB/s in 9KB/s out on my blackberry tether... for $70/month for unlimited, is that cool, or is it whack? |
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| 05:54.25 | amphi | d0uglas: not what I'd call cheap, but then I'm blackberryless |
| 05:54.30 | nvz | I was gonna get a blackberry but the whole rim suit scared me away at the time |
| 05:54.54 | nvz | sprint charges like 99USD for unlimited |
| 05:55.00 | hooya | Zambezi: i can recall how long that test was.. |
| 05:55.32 | d0uglas | amphi: static ip, unfirewalled |
| 05:55.55 | d0uglas | perhaps not enough to run gtk gnutella as a supernode but it's ok for text pron |
| 05:56.11 | Zambezi | hollywoodstar, I just want to know if it's more than 5-10 minutes cause then I can do other things during the test. |
| 05:56.13 | nvz | heh |
| 05:56.49 | nvz | if you are gonna pay $70/month you better be getting something more than ASCII pr0n |
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| 05:57.42 | hooya | Zambezi: i think it's longer than that.. |
| 05:57.48 | nvz | I'd want streaming television on demand with no commercials |
| 05:58.02 | nvz | that just be for starter |
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| 05:58.25 | d0uglas | well i get howard stern on demand with no commercials or mosaic censorship for ~$12 a month |
| 05:58.44 | amphi | pfft, tv |
| 05:58.48 | d0uglas | but i can get that feed in the middle of central park |
| 05:58.53 | d0uglas | (not like i ever leave the house anyway) |
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| 05:59.08 | nvz | aw shit |
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| 05:59.21 | nvz | I am one sorry exuse for a stoner, I got no papers or lighter |
| 05:59.32 | amphi | heh |
| 05:59.54 | nvz | I knew I didnt have a lighter but planned on emprovising |
| 06:00.05 | Zambezi | hooya, About an hour? |
| 06:00.23 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello all, I did a apt-get dist-upgrade on my laptop a few days ago, and now pressing the power butten does not shut the computer down. Any ideas why? Thanks |
| 06:00.34 | nvz | damn it and everything closes here |
| 06:00.38 | Gokee2_Laptop | Also I run testing |
| 06:00.46 | mbm_should_unban | I have a usb hard drive. When I partition it, the new partitions don't show up in /dev, there's just /dev/sdb. The drive might be locked, but I'm not sure |
| 06:00.49 | mbm_should_unban | oops |
| 06:01.33 | Zambezi | hooya, I'll do the test, I'll be back later after a shower, |
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| 06:05.11 | itchi | Someone tips to get tvtime working over an ssh connection? I get the following error when i try http://pastebin.ca/252172 |
| 06:07.54 | enouf | itchi: finally found it :-P .. about exporting xauthority stuff .. see Listing 4 Attempting to sart the xclock (area .. graphic and below) http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sek51-basics/index.html |
| 06:08.48 | enouf | itchi: oh .. viewing your pastbin though seems like an shm error "shared memory" |
| 06:09.20 | enouf | itchi: also /msg dpkg Sig11 for explaation of segfaults |
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| 06:11.53 | enouf | itchi: look at your output of 'df -h' see the /dev/shm listing? .. notice it's set at xxxMB ? .. perhaps increase that .. see what it says as you get that error |
| 06:12.55 | WhoKarez | The official Comedy Search Engine on http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com :) |
| 06:13.09 | Supaplex | yawn |
| 06:13.14 | WhoKarez | The official Comedy Search Engine on http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com :) |
| 06:13.15 | itchi | enouf: Woo that's some geek stuff :-p |
| 06:13.19 | itchi | enouf: gona output |
| 06:13.22 | WhoKarez | The official Comedy Search Engine on http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com :) |
| 06:13.24 | amphi | WhoKarez: who likes official comedy? |
| 06:13.31 | Supaplex | !ops WhoKarez spam |
| 06:13.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: supaplex complains about: WhoKarez spam |
| 06:13.36 | WhoKarez | The official Comedy Search Engine on http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com :) |
| 06:13.44 | itchi | enouf: It's been? devshm 502M 0 502M 0% /dev/shm |
| 06:14.33 | enouf | hrmmm itchi ..mine says tmpfs 158M 0 158M 0% /dev/shm |
| 06:15.04 | enouf | itchi: you sure yours doesn't say tmpfs? |
| 06:15.15 | itchi | enouf: I have paste that line |
| 06:15.34 | itchi | enouf: In /etc/fstab it's not |
| 06:15.42 | Supaplex | !shmfs |
| 06:15.48 | Supaplex | !tmpfs |
| 06:15.48 | dpkg | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab |
| 06:15.51 | enouf | what's 'mount' (no options) say ... itchi |
| 06:16.04 | Supaplex | yikes. that's one big factiod. |
| 06:16.17 | enouf | Supaplex: it's Suppa :-) |
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| 06:16.43 | itchi | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/252226 |
| 06:16.43 | enouf | itchi: getting dpkg factoid? |
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| 06:16.52 | itchi | enouf: Yup, have i bad ram? |
| 06:16.57 | enouf | itchi: ok .. looking ..review the factoid |
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| 06:17.55 | enouf | itchi: 2.4 kernel ?? .. I notice nmany devfs type stuff |
| 06:17.55 | itchi | enouf: It's not my ram then?? Yeah saw that other just before, but now i'm bit hangry for the RAM |
| 06:18.15 | itchi | enouf: 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:18.50 | enouf | itchi: no .. not bad RAM necessarily .. maybe only devffs related .. what??????????????????????????/ 2.6.17-2-686 ????? ojh crap man ... |
| 06:19.06 | itchi | enouf: Why? |
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| 06:19.35 | enouf | itchi: dpkg -l | grep udev hotplug hal |
| 06:20.07 | exoybte | how do I unlock a hard drive? I don't care about the data on it |
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| 06:20.28 | SpaceFrog | I have a strange question.. Is there a program out there that I can download and play a tune out the PC Speaker (like beep, but rather than a beep a song instead). I want to play it remotely so i need to do it through SSH. |
| 06:20.41 | enouf | itchi: dpkg -l udev hotplug hal forget the grep |
| 06:21.02 | enouf | exoybte: man hdparm if that's what you mean |
| 06:21.16 | exoybte | enouf: I think it is.. |
| 06:21.35 | itchi | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/252229 |
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| 06:21.45 | enouf | ok itchi looking |
| 06:22.48 | jpin | are there any pages for c++ functions? like "man ifstream" ? |
| 06:22.57 | jpin | does anyone know the package? |
| 06:23.20 | Supaplex | apt-file might help |
| 06:23.47 | itchi | enouf: ow, man, the pastebins if of the laptop, shit |
| 06:23.56 | enouf | doh! |
| 06:24.11 | itchi | enouf: Yup :-/ |
| 06:24.44 | itchi | enouf: The last was right but the previous not |
| 06:25.01 | enouf | but that's what i wanted anyways .. lessee the remote too then .. funny mount options itchi |
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| 06:25.15 | itchi | enouf: And it's the same on the other too |
| 06:25.38 | itchi | enouf: That's near the default one |
| 06:25.50 | itchi | enouf: Just /home is appart |
| 06:26.05 | enouf | itchi: whuch is correct> |
| 06:26.12 | enouf | ? |
| 06:26.20 | itchi | enouf: On the both computers it's the same |
| 06:26.34 | enouf | same for what? |
| 06:26.48 | zarul | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:26.49 | zarul | /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386_2.4.27-10sarge4_i386.deb |
| 06:26.49 | zarul | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:26.51 | basanta | my kde control center is empty! |
| 06:26.56 | itchi | enouf: Just pastebin it from anohter computer the previous pastebin, but does not matters have look, give the same output. It's also Etch on it |
| 06:27.09 | enouf | ok .. so both are correct? |
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| 06:27.33 | itchi | enouf: Yeah ;-) Sorry for the confussion ;-) |
| 06:27.54 | enouf | itchi: ok .. |
| 06:27.58 | zarul | geez, whats the error probably be, I was trying to upgrade the kernel |
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| 06:29.01 | stranger | hi all |
| 06:29.25 | enouf | itchi: read up a bit (dpkg factoid too) .. I'll think about it too ,, make sure your user is a memfer of the proper group(s) cat /etc/group and id -a will help |
| 06:29.43 | basanta | Will dpkg-reconfigure kcenter help populate my empty control center ? |
| 06:29.53 | itchi | enouf: Okay, gona try ;-) |
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| 06:31.24 | stranger | I finished upgrading my sarge system to etch and I am discovering few things that went wrong, one of them is that a new kernel was installed and it is an SMP while I have a single P3 CPu, another thing is that dma is turend off for the harddisk and turning it on will just hang the system.. where to go from here? |
| 06:31.58 | zarul | anyone had the same error as I did? |
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| 06:34.02 | Defty | stranger: maybe install a non-SMP kernel next? |
| 06:34.30 | enouf | itchi: pastebin the output of $ grep -ir tmpfs /etc/init.d/ <-- that |
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| 06:35.34 | bokey | enouf: hello master blaster.. =) |
| 06:35.36 | Miles_Prower | I'm back. |
| 06:36.05 | enouf | hehe .. o must be making a name for myself :-/ |
| 06:36.25 | enouf | !greet bokey |
| 06:36.25 | dpkg | Salutations, bokey |
| 06:36.29 | itchi | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/252238 |
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| 06:36.35 | bokey | !love enouf |
| 06:36.36 | enouf | itchi: ok .. |
| 06:36.45 | enouf | ohhh my lil bokey |
| 06:37.03 | bokey | =0 |
| 06:37.04 | eps | I have my nvidia drivers setup correctly and the latest compiz from unstable though when I run compiz gconf --replace it doesn't restore the window boarders, any suggestions |
| 06:37.08 | eps | (using gnome) |
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| 06:40.19 | mazzanet | ok |
| 06:40.28 | mazzanet | if i remove exim* |
| 06:40.41 | mazzanet | will things get cranky with me? |
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| 06:41.07 | centrx | probably |
| 06:42.40 | itchi | enouf: Strange because on the computer itself it's been working. Just discovered that the sound will not more go, but that's somethings diff |
| 06:43.07 | itchi | enouf: Only the sound of the tv card, other still work |
| 06:43.23 | enouf | !tell itchi about memtest86 |
| 06:43.56 | enouf | itchi: I doubt it;s your RAM .. but wanted to say that before :-) |
| 06:44.17 | enouf | itchi: pkill artsd maybe |
| 06:44.17 | itchi | enouf: I hope the mem is right, it's an new laptop, but i had test another time before from another computer and get the same trouble |
| 06:44.35 | zarul | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:44.36 | enouf | tested what? .. the RAM? |
| 06:44.36 | zarul | /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386_2.4.27-10sarge4_i386.deb |
| 06:44.36 | zarul | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:44.51 | zarul | anyone had the problem? |
| 06:44.51 | itchi | enouf: Gona quick test again from another comp |
| 06:45.02 | jpin | how to read a line using ifstreams? |
| 06:45.57 | enouf | zarul: I'm guessing .. but .. seems like the postinst may need to be modified .. why are you not using apt-get install kernel-image-XXX |
| 06:46.11 | tarco | does any one know what to do once te wm is downloaded |
| 06:46.27 | enouf | tarco: what? |
| 06:46.55 | tarco | like i have downloaded kde and now i wan't to start it |
| 06:47.25 | itchi | enouf: Same on another comp |
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| 06:47.37 | tarco | whats that |
| 06:47.44 | tarco | i am new to linux |
| 06:47.48 | enouf | jpin: no clue .. man strings , man readline ?? |
| 06:48.00 | amphi | tarco: you can test it by doing xinit and then startkde in the xterm, I guess |
| 06:48.15 | itchi | arts is running 2 times, on as my user and one as root |
| 06:48.16 | enouf | tarco: startkde .. |
| 06:48.51 | enouf | !tell tarco about install kde |
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| 06:48.59 | tarco | can't connect to x server |
| 06:49.08 | enouf | !tell tarco about install x |
| 06:49.28 | enouf | !tell tarco about set up c |
| 06:49.29 | itchi | tarco: Maybe want you and DM Display Manager, see /msg dpkg dm or probably you want the kde dm so apt-get install kdm |
| 06:49.35 | enouf | !tell tarco about set up x |
| 06:50.10 | itchi | wooaa, he got some stuff to read :-p |
| 06:50.41 | tarco | arg |
| 06:50.53 | enouf | itchi: LoL :-p |
| 06:51.01 | tarco | wha |
| 06:51.08 | tarco | k ty |
| 06:51.35 | jpin | enouf: thanks |
| 06:51.37 | tarco | oh will i have to install the driver for my graphics |
| 06:51.46 | itchi | enouf: Can you use tvtime remotely? |
| 06:51.46 | enouf | jpin: no prob |
| 06:52.04 | enouf | itchi: I have no clue what that is even .. hehe |
| 06:52.23 | itchi | enouf: To watch tv hehe |
| 06:52.48 | enouf | itchi: I giot inr hit on google with that error http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=xvoutput%3A+Received+X+error%3A+BadShmSeg+%28invalid+shared+segment+parameter%29&btnG=Search |
| 06:53.15 | itchi | Maybe i need to stream that?? arg, there should be a way to get that working remotely without streaming i hope ;-) |
| 06:53.23 | enouf | one hit * |
| 06:54.26 | enouf | itchi: frome ehat I can gather .. your poermissions on your assorted mount ppoints are a nit funky .. got a USB device runiing? |
| 06:55.02 | itchi | enouf: The usb ports are there working |
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| 06:56.02 | enouf | itchi: for ex look at my mount optuins http://pastebin.ca/252252 |
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| 06:56.38 | stranger | hi again |
| 06:57.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:57.07 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:57.36 | itchi | enouf: I have quick change the config to let ssh root login, tried with root, but the same too |
| 06:57.49 | itchi | enouf: I not know if that help to debug |
| 06:58.45 | smhar | the Kernal was upgraded to a new SMP but I only have a single P3 CPU |
| 06:59.18 | cahoot | smhar, later kernel are unified wrt smp |
| 06:59.19 | smhar | and the dma for the harddisk is turned off and if I turned it on the system will hang |
| 06:59.26 | smhar | what to do for that? |
| 06:59.31 | karsten | smhar: SMP kernel will boot UP if there's only one proc. |
| 07:00.04 | itchi | enouf: How define i that permision on that tmpfs? |
| 07:00.22 | karsten | smhar: It's unlikely that DMA for HD is causing the hang. I'd suggest you assess the system by other means. |
| 07:01.02 | karsten | smhar: Might try "acpi=off" for shins'n'grits. |
| 07:01.32 | smhar | karsten, with the old kernel in sarge DMA was on |
| 07:01.48 | smhar | karsten, the system now is bloody slow |
| 07:01.53 | karsten | smhar: That's going to affect disk performance. Not kernel stability. |
| 07:01.56 | karsten | smhar: Then enable it. |
| 07:02.17 | smhar | and in the boot messages there are alot of seeking errors |
| 07:02.20 | karsten | Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this..." Doctor: "Then don't do that" |
| 07:02.35 | karsten | smhar: That would suggest disk issues or disk driver issues. What sort of disk? |
| 07:02.53 | karsten | smhar: ... and have you tried booting anything else (eg: old kernel) since your update? |
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| 07:03.06 | enouf | itchi: you can always use the mount -t /fstype/ -oremount <options> |
| 07:03.21 | smhar | karsten, I don't remember, it is an old system, how to know that? |
| 07:03.44 | karsten | smhar: Select the old kernel at boot, if it's in your grub stanzas. |
| 07:03.48 | Jari | hello, does any one know what might be wrong when the mouse middle scroll doesn't work? |
| 07:03.49 | itchi | enouf: For that tmpfs? What command should i exactly give? |
| 07:04.10 | smhar | karsten, yes I tried booting the old kernel and it is working fine.. although Xorg won't work with it but console is very fine with no errors |
| 07:04.11 | enouf | itchi: /msg dpkg tmpfs agian .. though my /etc/default/tmpfs seems to have no SHM= option set |
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| 07:04.28 | karsten | Jari: select an appropriate mouse type, and enable scroll wheel, when setting up X. |
| 07:04.34 | karsten | !tell Jari about reconfigure x |
| 07:05.02 | enouf | itchi: erm .. nothing under --> SHM_SIZE= |
| 07:05.31 | itchi | enouf: Same here |
| 07:05.38 | Jari | thanks Karsten |
| 07:05.49 | enouf | itchi: but I thinking it's either a permission issue .. or like is I statted earlier .. you users have no permissions to certain groups |
| 07:05.58 | enouf | or smoeshit |
| 07:06.36 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, here on the laptop my user was not in his usernamegroup, i have quit fluxtbox and login again. But same |
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| 07:07.54 | itchi | enouf: On the laptop my user is only in that usernamegroup, no others like games and so, does that matter? |
| 07:09.18 | Jari | hmm I have two configurations for inputdevice mouse, genericMouse and ConfiguredMouse, is that normal? |
| 07:09.26 | enouf | itchi: its your /proc /sys and /usbfs and /dev/pts mounts that are funky to me .. all those have nosuid, noexec, nodev, etc .. are you running SELinux of something? |
| 07:09.29 | stranger | karsten, sorry I got disconnected |
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| 07:09.53 | itchi | enouf: I have not installed that, so i think not |
| 07:10.18 | enouf | anyone else care to look at itchi 's 'mount' output?? http://pastebin.ca/252226 |
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| 07:10.45 | enouf | itchi: likely not enable .. but there likely .. dmesg | grep SELinux |
| 07:10.48 | itchi | enouf: Thanks mate, you have again give many time to me ;-) |
| 07:10.49 | karsten | stranger: Well, I wasn't talking to you, or was I? |
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| 07:11.11 | enouf | SELinux: Disabled at boot. |
| 07:11.15 | itchi | enouf: Disabled at boot. i get |
| 07:11.16 | Samus_Aran | does anyone know what command is needed to determine which package an installed file came from ? |
| 07:11.47 | karsten | Samus_Aran: dpkg -S <path to some file> |
| 07:11.49 | enouf | hehe .. same here .. let's see your /etc/fstab |
| 07:11.55 | enouf | itchi: ^^ |
| 07:11.57 | stranger | karsten, yup .. this is smhar.. my nick was is stuck too :-) |
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| 07:12.26 | grendal_prime | ok so december for the big change right? |
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| 07:12.35 | enouf | grendal_prime: doubtful |
| 07:12.39 | enouf | !wwer |
| 07:12.39 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 07:13.00 | enouf | dunk-jarg or something for more .. |
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| 07:13.26 | grendal_prime | thats good to hear actually, i just did a testing install that did not go well. |
| 07:13.48 | itchi | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/252257 |
| 07:14.18 | grendal_prime | my feelings were..well...unless someone is going to pull something magical out of somones ass...this is a bit dissenchanting |
| 07:15.36 | enouf | itchi: wtf? 17. ### FOR qemu 18. tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:15.45 | Zambezi | Anybody know what gam_server is in top? The CPU-load is 30%. |
| 07:16.04 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, for qemu, that's on the howto of it. Should i remove it? |
| 07:16.16 | enouf | Zambezi: gaim? |
| 07:16.31 | enouf | Zambezi: ps aux | grep gaim |
| 07:16.50 | enouf | Zambezi: oh .. Game Server |
| 07:16.53 | Zambezi | enouf, I'm using Gajim. |
| 07:16.58 | enouf | wtf? |
| 07:17.02 | enouf | ugh! |
| 07:17.05 | itchi | enouf: I comment the line, need i reboot for that or is that take directly in considerations? |
| 07:17.27 | enouf | Gajim, Cajun, Gaim, Game, Gam .. Yammies .. give me a break... |
| 07:17.34 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:17.47 | enouf | itchi: yes .. I guess |
| 07:17.51 | Zambezi | enouf, It's much better then Gaim in the repos. In Gaim it doesn't separate the folders between the diffrent mails. |
| 07:18.13 | itchi | mount not show it anymore |
| 07:18.15 | enouf | doesn't do IM .. nor email |
| 07:18.27 | grendal_prime | itchi, whats the problem with qemu? |
| 07:18.46 | itchi | grendal_prime: Nothings, work great :-) |
| 07:18.53 | grendal_prime | i run that kqemu deally bobber, thing screams |
| 07:19.07 | itchi | grendal_prime: I have an trouble to run tvtime remotely, an little app to watch tv |
| 07:19.38 | Zambezi | enouf, The process is owned be my. I might kill it cause it makes worried. |
| 07:19.56 | grendal_prime | i have to have a windows box for the lame ass vpn at work. with that accelerated module, the it dept people just thought i had a typical win2000 install |
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| 07:20.23 | itchi | grendal_prime: I'm ssh to that box and then try to run tvtime and get the error http://pastebin.ca/252172 |
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| 07:21.12 | itchi | I can run X apps remotely, so ssh are right i think |
| 07:21.14 | grendal_prime | ya, you might want to look into something like...freenx if there is open gl envolved |
| 07:22.21 | bathat | anyone know what might be causing this error when connecting to the usb bus... hub 1-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad? |
| 07:22.25 | grendal_prime | that link just gave me an erro by the way |
| 07:22.55 | bathat | i've had this problem for a long time, although i did fix it at one point |
| 07:22.56 | bathat | but it broke again |
| 07:22.56 | bathat | the usb cable is fine |
| 07:23.15 | grendal_prime | did you break the cable and then tape it up ? |
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| 07:23.27 | d0uglas | are analog cellphones a thing of the past? audiophiles are generally wrong, but this is an exception |
| 07:23.33 | bathat | nope, it's a new cable |
| 07:23.45 | zinx | d0uglas: pretty much |
| 07:23.48 | bathat | for a printer |
| 07:23.54 | Dewi | is firefox 2 going to make it into etch? |
| 07:24.12 | Samus_Aran | karsten: hm, when I try that it says not found |
| 07:24.12 | grendal_prime | who cares |
| 07:24.14 | Dewi | I was glad to see some late, great work getting some of the java stuff up to date for etch... |
| 07:24.15 | bathat | lsusb doesn't display any info about the printer |
| 07:24.22 | grendal_prime | mozilla. works every time |
| 07:24.22 | d0uglas | friggin' 2600 meetings and their modified scanners, listening in on analog cells to ruin the fun for us all |
| 07:24.26 | Dewi | but firefox 2 is still worryingly absent |
| 07:24.35 | Dewi | grendal_prime: hasn't that been discontinued? |
| 07:24.44 | enouf | grendal_prime: the itchi errors using tvtime link works http://pastebin.ca/252172 |
| 07:24.45 | bathat | i've asked about this on forums like linuxquestions but have received little help |
| 07:24.47 | grendal_prime | sure its like driving a mac truck to prom, but..it gets the job done |
| 07:25.00 | Dewi | grendal_prime: hasn't it been replaced by seamonkey? |
| 07:25.26 | grendal_prime | An error occurred while loading http://pastebin.ca/252172: |
| 07:25.26 | grendal_prime | Timeout on server |
| 07:25.26 | grendal_prime | Connection was to pastebin.ca at port 80 |
| 07:25.33 | bathat | before i get the error about a bad cable, there's the standard message, ohci_hcd 0000:00:0f.2: wakeup |
| 07:26.01 | enouf | remove the colon at the end? .. hrmm Canada is blocking your ISP .. hehe |
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| 07:26.38 | snowrichard | hello |
| 07:26.58 | grendal_prime | thats very werid, it is not in the address on the browser... |
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| 07:27.09 | snowrichard | trying out this modem connection on a fresh install of stable. |
| 07:28.47 | itchi | grendal_prime: A dns server between you an the true world are sucked?? |
| 07:29.11 | itchi | grendal_prime: Some time it happend here to, change not to many |
| 07:29.23 | itchi | arg, need to learn to type haha |
| 07:29.32 | amphi | heh |
| 07:29.45 | itchi | amphi: Yeah all the diff keyboard make me crazy |
| 07:30.07 | itchi | amphi: I have 3 differents layout's here :-) |
| 07:30.22 | grendal_prime | that is really very bizzar, there is no colon in the address window but it does come back with the error stating it is in there |
| 07:31.24 | amphi | itchi: why not just have one? |
| 07:31.26 | grendal_prime | thats not the problem im flat out not able to get to pastbin at all |
| 07:31.26 | snowrichard | ok looks like the connection is stable enough..... logging off zzzzz |
| 07:31.28 | snowrichard | time |
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| 07:32.24 | itchi | amphi: Yeah :-p |
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| 07:32.30 | grendal_prime | i can get to http://pastebin.com/ though |
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| 07:32.44 | itchi | amphi: Have an HKKB here, then the 2 diff local keyboard layouts |
| 07:32.46 | amphi | itchi: never mind the key labels |
| 07:32.50 | karsten | stranger: Ah. |
| 07:32.53 | Tigren | when trying to apt-get g++ i get this error |
| 07:32.54 | Tigren | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:32.54 | Tigren | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.54 | Tigren | ead: Broken packages |
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| 07:33.01 | d0uglas | if by pastebin.com you mean pastebin.ca, then you would be right |
| 07:33.05 | karsten | stranger: Sorry, getting tired, close to bedtime. |
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| 07:33.24 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, just that the laptop have 1 week, that's a bit to quick of it, i gona wait an year at least |
| 07:33.38 | itchi | amphi: Stickers after a time looks not so good anymore |
| 07:34.08 | Tigren | when trying to apt-get g++ i get an error complaining that g++ wnt be installed because of broken packages, how can i go about fixing this? |
| 07:34.36 | amphi | itchi: but you can use any layout - why not .be throughout? |
| 07:34.43 | itchi | amphi: I like many more the us layout's, many easier for coding |
| 07:34.59 | itchi | amphi: I want us :-) |
| 07:35.03 | amphi | itchi: yeah, I use US regardless of the keycaps |
| 07:35.28 | itchi | amphi: be is not se easy for some characters in coding |
| 07:35.33 | amphi | itchi: compose is fine for when I need å and so on |
| 07:35.58 | amphi | itchi: compose + digräphs ;) |
| 07:36.43 | itchi | amphi: Is 'compose' an app? |
| 07:37.18 | amphi | itchi: no, just a key - MultiKey in X IIRC |
| 07:37.26 | itchi | amphi: On that be is that {} [] that are not yet so pretty accesible |
| 07:37.42 | amphi | itchi: bad |
| 07:38.09 | itchi | amphi: How so? |
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| 07:39.44 | amphi | itchi: that []{} are not readily accessible |
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| 07:40.54 | bathat | does anyone know how to figure out which version of gcc was used to compile a debian kernel? |
| 07:41.13 | cahoot | bathat, cat /proc/version |
| 07:41.18 | bathat | ah ty |
| 07:41.29 | itchi | amphi: On an be you need to press alt+9 for { on an us it's shift+9 |
| 07:41.46 | Tigren | i'm having trouble installing g++, can anyone perhaps help? |
| 07:41.50 | amphi | shift-9 is ( |
| 07:41.55 | zinx | erh, it's shift-[ on a US keyboard |
| 07:42.03 | itchi | amphi: Ow, im bad on that us, it's just on the right side below the 9 |
| 07:42.17 | amphi | itchi: yeah, shift-[ |
| 07:42.25 | itchi | zinx: Yeah sorry i'm on the be right now, confussed :-p |
| 07:42.34 | bathat | ok, so there's no gcc mismatch when installing nvidia-kernel |
| 07:42.43 | bathat | so that's not the reason for the x freeze |
| 07:43.06 | itchi | The alt+9 is a very very little bit to far to space up the finger, a bit lesser praktical in use i find |
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| 07:43.17 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 07:43.19 | itchi | Maybe because the HHKB have an pretty small layout too |
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| 07:44.12 | itchi | And i have learn with an qwerty too :-) |
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| 07:46.59 | bintut | i am trying to download the mirrors for etch using debmirror tools but i got this problem ==> http://paste.debian.net/16873 |
| 07:47.28 | bintut | anyone can help me here? |
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| 07:49.19 | itchi | amphi: heh, an stinkpad? |
| 07:49.37 | amphi | itchi: 'thinkpad' |
| 07:50.21 | itchi | amphi: heh |
| 07:51.10 | amphi | damn, no one has stinkpad.org |
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| 07:53.06 | itchi | amphi: Thinkpad, that's the keyboard of an IBM? |
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| 07:53.41 | itchi | amphi: Or just the model of an IBM laptop? |
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| 07:54.19 | themacgeek | are all three distros of linux? |
| 07:54.22 | itchi | crazy chars :-p |
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| 07:54.36 | Tallu | themacgeek: err..? |
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| 07:55.34 | themacgeek | forgive me .. I am looking at converting a windoz box to some flavor of unix |
| 07:55.44 | themacgeek | and I am not sure what is the best to choose |
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| 07:56.45 | Miles_Prower | Hello, hello. (returning helpee). Who here is a god, so far as IPTables goes? I need some one-on-one assistance with a routing project gone some 10 hrs over. |
| 07:56.47 | themacgeek | I am a Mac guy so I am not scared of unix .. just not sure which way to go .. I have a friend running debian but I have heard that unbuntu is good too |
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| 07:58.54 | Miles_Prower | I'm sorry if I sound rude, I'm rather overdrawn on sleep and grumpy. |
| 07:58.59 | cahoot | themacgeek, the answer from #debian would probably be biased - no+ |
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| 08:00.22 | themacgeek | not nec. ... I have found most people in the nix world to be pretty objective ... and I figure there is bound to be a reason why there are different distros ... kind of like the whole Drupal vs Joomla discussion for CMS |
| 08:00.44 | cahoot | themacgeek, if you're more interested in stability and support then debian |
| 08:02.23 | cahoot | themacgeek, the truth is: you can't go wrong with debian |
| 08:02.38 | Miles_Prower | (unless you're trying to set it up as a router) |
| 08:02.52 | amphi | itchi: ibm laptop |
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| 08:04.48 | themacgeek | cool .. any other opinions awake at this hour? |
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| 08:04.56 | zu22 | greetings, i am looking for a good way to prune unwanted packages (running testing), is there a way to see the footprint (size of package and associated dependent packages) of packages (preferably listed in order of size) and a relatively clean/hassle free way to purge the packages i don't really want? |
| 08:05.07 | sky123 | hello..I tried to get some help from some of the ubuntu guys..but few knew about debian or ubuntu on a ultra sparc box.. specifically i am struglling with the fact that i have 2 18gb scsi drives...but am unable to see any choice for raiding partitions...any help would be appreciated. |
| 08:05.34 | zu22 | i tried dpkg once but didn't like the whole menu/submenu marking process, way too tedious |
| 08:06.03 | amphi | !tell themacgeek about why debian |
| 08:06.28 | zu22 | i guess everyone is sleeping heh |
| 08:07.34 | themacgeek | lol ... well .. I guess the good thing is that I can partition the drive and try both .. |
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| 08:09.50 | zu22 | oh well |
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| 08:10.26 | snowrichard | hi |
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| 08:19.52 | threat2 | hey |
| 08:20.40 | threat2 | is there any documentation for compiling a kernel from source? I have tried a few times on this computer but I always get a kernel panic when trying to load it |
| 08:21.01 | threat2 | I use make-kpkg with the latest version of the linux kernel (2.6.18.2) |
| 08:22.25 | fysaen | threat2: check this url www.howtoforge.com there is a documentation how to compiling a kernel from source ;) |
| 08:22.32 | roadboy | hi all. i've to change the bootup scripts sequence. i need one script start before than another. how can i do this? |
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| 08:22.52 | Tux | is there a command doe downgrade from etch to sarge? |
| 08:23.44 | centrx | no |
| 08:24.03 | centrx | it is possible to downgrade the packages, but it would be unwise |
| 08:24.09 | centrx | wha |
| 08:24.29 | threat2 | fysaen: I mean I have got a kernel to compile successfully before |
| 08:24.55 | threat2 | fysaen: I have made a deb package for kernel 2.6.18.2 and it works on two computers, but not the third one |
| 08:25.14 | threat2 | fysaen: same architecture |
| 08:25.37 | threat2 | fysaen: same chipset (VIA) |
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| 08:26.01 | threat2 | (well one is intel, but the issue I am having is with the AMD / VIA machine) |
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| 08:28.05 | solar_ant | hey all ! |
| 08:28.15 | solar_ant | my system is using very evry less swap memory |
| 08:28.20 | solar_ant | and sometimes none |
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| 08:28.32 | solar_ant | will tweaking it give a performance boost ? |
| 08:29.01 | threat2 | Your system isn't using that much SWAP? |
| 08:29.04 | threat2 | well that is good :) |
| 08:29.23 | threat2 | it should be using your RAM |
| 08:29.31 | wireddd_ | if your swapping you need more ram |
| 08:29.59 | solar_ant | hmmm |
| 08:30.02 | threat2 | yep |
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| 08:30.05 | threat2 | what wireddd_ said |
| 08:30.19 | wireddd_ | how much ram do you have? |
| 08:30.21 | Tallu | This is kind of sad, my server isnt even using all of its ram to cache. Maybe I should run more services for the fun of it. ;) |
| 08:30.23 | solar_ant | but wont using swap for inactive applications boost performance ? |
| 08:30.33 | threat2 | SWAP'ing is pretty much a safety net, incase you run out of RAM |
| 08:30.39 | solar_ant | wireddd i ahve 512 mb , irun apache and beryl |
| 08:30.41 | wireddd_ | Tallu, ram drive :) |
| 08:30.43 | threat2 | solar_ant: not really |
| 08:30.50 | solar_ant | so i guess it must be hungry for more memory |
| 08:31.02 | Tallu | wireddd_: I've been debating on that actually, could probably fit all my programs on it :) |
| 08:31.09 | threat2 | solar_ant: when the program becomes active again there will be a delay in putting it from SWAP back into primary memory again |
| 08:31.24 | Tallu | wireddd_: and since I have a ups I wouldnt have to worry too much.. |
| 08:31.24 | solar_ant | but i wonder why is there a rule of thumb |
| 08:31.26 | solar_ant | swap space must be twice that of your physical ram |
| 08:31.43 | threat2 | solar_ant: yes, incase all hell breaks loose |
| 08:31.49 | Tallu | solar_ant: that's especially for low ram systems that might end up needing more |
| 08:31.54 | threat2 | your system just doesn't die |
| 08:32.01 | solar_ant | oh ok :) |
| 08:32.09 | threat2 | it will run sloer, but it wont crash and do weird things |
| 08:32.12 | threat2 | slower even |
| 08:32.13 | Tallu | i have 2,5 gigs of swap and i'm not using any of it |
| 08:32.24 | threat2 | Tallu: yep, good :) |
| 08:32.30 | wireddd_ | solar_ant, my laptop doesn't usually swap and I only have 128mb of ram |
| 08:32.41 | solar_ant | thats nice |
| 08:32.43 | threat2 | Tallu: but if you get DOS'ed you will wish you had that SWAP :) |
| 08:32.52 | solar_ant | i was just wondering if i needed to tweak anything |
| 08:32.55 | Tallu | threat2: haha true |
| 08:32.58 | threat2 | Tallu: :) |
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| 08:33.27 | wireddd_ | solar_ant, you could make sure you are running the correct kernel for your processor |
| 08:33.45 | Tallu | threat2: somewhat unlikely though. :) I don't run a gambling business and I usually tend to try and not piss off the wrong guys haha |
| 08:33.55 | loca|host | how to resize a partition ? |
| 08:33.58 | Tallu | (With that said, I'll just sit here and wait for the ddoses to start) |
| 08:34.07 | solar_ant | wireddd uname -r : 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 08:34.18 | solar_ant | i run an athlon 64 bit 2800+ |
| 08:34.47 | wireddd_ | then thats probably what you want, unless you want to play around with 64bit |
| 08:35.07 | solar_ant | wireddd buti guess using 64 bit ait going to increase speed |
| 08:35.17 | wireddd_ | sure it will |
| 08:35.17 | solar_ant | and also i am not sure is there full support for 64 bit yet ? |
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| 08:35.26 | threat2 | Tallu: still good to have though :) 2.5GB of Hard disk space is nothing |
| 08:35.41 | wireddd_ | 64bit support is not 100 |
| 08:35.41 | Tallu | threat2: yeah, that's true. :) |
| 08:35.44 | wireddd_ | % |
| 08:35.46 | threat2 | loca|host: gparted |
| 08:35.59 | Tallu | threat2: I just wouldn't put in 4 gigs, I think 2,5 is more than enough.. :) |
| 08:36.03 | solar_ant | wireddd but what abt the other libarries and programs , are they not 32 bit yet , and wont it just emulate 64 bit making things slower |
| 08:36.14 | threat2 | loca|host: although you should use LVM if you would like to create, remove, resize partitions on the fly |
| 08:37.02 | threat2 | loca|host: LVM is great! |
| 08:37.21 | threat2 | hmm which brings me to another question, LVM or EVMS? |
| 08:37.45 | threat2 | any have any resons why EVMS should be used over LVM ? |
| 08:37.50 | wireddd_ | solar_ant, I don't presonally run 64bit, but all of the major stuff supports it |
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| 08:37.55 | threat2 | is it just because of the GUI interface? |
| 08:38.01 | threat2 | or is there other advances? |
| 08:38.15 | Tallu | Hmm, I've never even heard of evms to be honest, just googled it |
| 08:38.27 | threat2 | it is IBM's LVM |
| 08:38.29 | solar_ant | wireddd probably i just give it a try , when i ran windows 64 bit it was slower : |
| 08:38.36 | threat2 | from what I understand |
| 08:38.39 | loca|host | threat2, GUI sucks ! |
| 08:38.40 | solar_ant | i should give it a try* |
| 08:38.48 | threat2 | loca|host: yeah :) well any way, I like LVM :) |
| 08:38.51 | threat2 | LVM is great |
| 08:38.54 | Tallu | I've had lvm do the trick for me.. no reason to fix it if it ain't broken :) |
| 08:39.06 | threat2 | true |
| 08:39.17 | threat2 | I was just wondering if there was any advances with EVMS |
| 08:39.35 | roadboy | hi all. i've to change the bootup scripts sequence. i need one script start before than another. how can i do this? |
| 08:39.44 | threat2 | oh well, hmm I would really like to read up libmapper crypt support |
| 08:39.56 | wireddd_ | if I wanted to do full drive encryption on my laptop, what are my options? |
| 08:39.59 | threat2 | or is using loopback crypto good enough? |
| 08:40.13 | threat2 | wireddd_: loopback crypto or libmapper crypt support |
| 08:41.04 | wireddd_ | which one causes the least performance hit |
| 08:41.12 | threat2 | wireddd_: or there is some commerial ones, I cant remember the name |
| 08:41.48 | wireddd_ | I'll stick to whats free |
| 08:41.52 | threat2 | wireddd_: I dont know! but I would guess libmapper crypt, but I havn't done any benchmarks, actually I havn't even used libmapper crypt yet, although I want to! |
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| 08:42.15 | wireddd_ | this laptop is only a p3 600 |
| 08:42.28 | threat2 | libmapper is in the libmapper layer :) which is what LVM sits on, loopback crypto is another layer that LVM sits ontop of |
| 08:42.36 | threat2 | from my understanding of it |
| 08:42.36 | wireddd_ | so it isn't exactly fast |
| 08:42.42 | threat2 | someone correct me if I am wrong |
| 08:43.23 | threat2 | wireddd_: well encrypting and decrypting is a CPU intensive operation, doesn't matter if you use libmapper or cyrtoloop |
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| 08:43.53 | threat2 | wireddd_: it can be made faster if you have an encryption / decryption hardware card for the cipher you want to use |
| 08:44.06 | threat2 | wireddd_: I am guessing you want to use AES |
| 08:44.09 | wireddd_ | threat2, do those come in pcmcia? |
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| 08:44.35 | threat2 | wireddd_: NFI :) |
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| 08:44.42 | threat2 | wireddd_: google |
| 08:45.08 | threat2 | wireddd_: I know there is a VIA crypto thingie which the latest kernel supports, I dont know what bus it uses though |
| 08:45.17 | threat2 | it is probably inbuilt into the chipset |
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| 08:45.20 | threat2 | NFI though :) |
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| 08:47.40 | wireddd_ | has anyone used the linux bios? there webpage claims to be able to go from poweron to login in 3 seconds |
| 08:47.51 | wireddd_ | s/there/their/ |
| 08:48.55 | wireddd_ | seems like it would be pretty cool |
| 08:49.43 | valdyn | wireddd_: it doesnt say 'to login' |
| 08:50.00 | valdyn | wireddd_: beside that, the largest part of getting to login has nothing to do with any bios |
| 08:50.21 | threat2 | linux bios? never heard of that |
| 08:50.26 | threat2 | what mobos does it support? |
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| 08:51.06 | wireddd_ | 3 seconds to console |
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| 08:52.44 | wireddd_ | threat2, mostly server boards |
| 08:53.41 | valdyn | wireddd_: poweron->whatever bios->boot manager -> OS kernel -> console -> login prompt, just the OS kernel part alone usually takes more than 3 sec ( depending on which hardware you have ), linuxbios really only affects point 2 in that queue |
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| 08:55.24 | wireddd_ | from what the site says, the bios loads the kernel pretty much from the start |
| 08:55.40 | threat2 | wireddd_: nice |
| 08:56.43 | wireddd_ | it would be nice if it started replacing the bios in all new hardware |
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| 08:57.18 | threat2 | open source == alot for hacking abilities, would be good |
| 08:58.15 | wireddd_ | I should socket the bios in my laptop and play around with it, the bios in this thing is terrible |
| 08:58.58 | jindal | how do one replaces BIOS, myself have intel 845 board.. any links? |
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| 08:59.29 | valdyn | jindal: don't do it, its dangerous, particularily if you cant google that information yourself |
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| 09:00.08 | jindal | hmm, agreed wos asking for a tested link :) |
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| 09:02.34 | bathat | anyone here have experience with nvidia graphics drivers the debian way? |
| 09:03.33 | valdyn | !tell bathat -about ask |
| 09:03.52 | bathat | thx valdyn |
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| 09:04.43 | wireddd_ | !nvidia oneliner |
| 09:04.43 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 09:05.42 | wireddd_ | thats a hefty one liner |
| 09:06.50 | bathat | the nvidia driver (nvidia-kernel, etch, kernel 2.6.17) freezes X in no time at all if i play any video or do anything graphics-intensive |
| 09:07.16 | bathat | the proprietary driver worked fine |
| 09:07.37 | wireddd_ | huh? |
| 09:07.41 | rohan | isnt there always a "/etc/debian-release" file in all debian systems ? |
| 09:07.47 | rohan | what package contains that file ? |
| 09:08.11 | bathat | ? |
| 09:08.29 | wireddd_ | so you aren't using the closed source driver you are using the nv driver and it is crashing? |
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| 09:08.51 | bathat | no, the nv driver works fine |
| 09:09.00 | bathat | it's the hardware acceleration that freezes X |
| 09:09.14 | bathat | i thought it might be caused by an overheating gpu |
| 09:09.19 | wireddd_ | so the closed source driver is crashing X |
| 09:09.20 | bathat | nvidia fx5200 btw |
| 09:09.28 | bathat | yes |
| 09:09.35 | bathat | but the non-free driver from debian |
| 09:09.37 | bathat | not nvidia |
| 09:09.47 | bathat | the driver from nvidia worked fine |
| 09:09.53 | wireddd_ | well then use that |
| 09:10.04 | bathat | but the debian way should work |
| 09:10.45 | rohan | i just installed etch using debootstrap - but i have no "/etc/debian-release" file .. how do i get it ? |
| 09:10.45 | bathat | and nvidia-installer is known to cause problems, i've heard |
| 09:10.45 | bathat | Wyzard helped me set all this up |
| 09:10.45 | bathat | i was using a custom kernel, then switched back to the debian one and it worked |
| 09:10.55 | wireddd_ | rohan I have no idea |
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| 09:11.16 | bathat | i was told not to use nvidia-installer |
| 09:11.19 | rohan | can someone please do "dpkg -S /etc/debian-release" |
| 09:12.11 | bathat | rohan: i don't have that file either |
| 09:12.12 | rohan | and tell me the output / |
| 09:12.16 | anilomkar | Hi all, can any one tell me why i am getting this "GPG error" when i am trying to do "sudo apt-get update". |
| 09:12.31 | bathat | i will try to catch Wyzard again, thanks |
| 09:12.33 | rohan | !tell anilomkar about 2006 key |
| 09:12.33 | wireddd_ | rohan, are you sure you aren't looking for debian |
| 09:12.43 | wireddd_ | err debian _version |
| 09:12.48 | rohan | ah |
| 09:12.50 | rohan | maybe |
| 09:12.52 | rohan | thanks |
| 09:12.53 | rohan | :) |
| 09:12.56 | bathat | that file i do have |
| 09:12.58 | bathat | as well |
| 09:13.06 | rohan | anilomkar: follow the steps the both just told you |
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| 09:13.23 | rohan | anyway, off for now. bbl |
| 09:13.26 | wireddd_ | rohan, that file is in base-files |
| 09:13.29 | bathat | all it displays is the dist |
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| 09:20.17 | Zap-W | in LVM , isnt the linear mode and stripped mode LV in combining physical PEs in a VG a sort of RAID? |
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| 09:21.08 | xingu | I don't see where a concat implies "redundant" as in "array of inexpensive disks", but maybe I'm old fashioned |
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| 09:22.26 | g333k | Why do I receive this message when loading mysql? |
| 09:22.27 | g333k | gaf1:~# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 09:22.27 | g333k | * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! |
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| 09:24.16 | Tallu | g333k: do you have free space where /var/ is mounted? just a guess.. |
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| 09:25.03 | g333k | Tallu, yep |
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| 09:25.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: zehraAa[hasta] spam on join (free porn vid.) |
| 09:25.28 | valdyn | g333k: how much? |
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| 09:27.01 | g333k | wow I dont have enough space in / nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 09:27.39 | valdyn | g333k: apt-get clean |
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| 09:28.10 | adamt | okay, is there an easy way to get realtime working on debian? (yes, i'm playing with jackd) |
| 09:28.15 | g333k | valdyn, yep I did it... but I must resize this partition.... it will be complicated because / is out of my lvm |
| 09:28.43 | valdyn | g333k: easier to put specific stuff on a new partition, i guess |
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| 09:29.00 | valdyn | adamt: realtime what? |
| 09:29.09 | g333k | valdyn, i.e. ? |
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| 09:29.26 | Defty | adamt: .. compile your own kernel? apply relevant patches if the kernel doesn't support realtime this and that etc.. I don't think it's specific to debian anyway |
| 09:29.32 | valdyn | g333k: /home or /var or /usr for instance |
| 09:29.47 | r3tex | hi, I've been running testing for 2 years now and was wondering how much of a hike in instability it would be to move to sid? |
| 09:29.50 | adamt | valdyn: realtime scheduling |
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| 09:30.03 | r3tex | none of the amd64 packages are available in etch |
| 09:30.03 | adamt | whoa, talk about bad spelling.. oh well :p |
| 09:30.07 | streuner | dpkg, no cmd (.*?) ops is Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Maulkin: streuner complains about: |
| 09:30.08 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 09:30.12 | centrx | r3tex sid is pretty stable |
| 09:30.16 | g333k | valdyn, I have usr and home separated in my lvm (wasy to resize) but / is out of the lvm |
| 09:30.17 | centrx | r3tex The issue is when you update |
| 09:30.27 | r3tex | centrx, you mean with lib incompatibilities? |
| 09:30.30 | valdyn | g333k: or /var |
| 09:30.31 | r3tex | or from etch to sid |
| 09:30.38 | centrx | r3tex If you are running sid and it's fine, it's going to continue to be fine |
| 09:30.39 | peterS | streuner: wtf? |
| 09:30.53 | centrx | r3tex But if you happen to update on a bad day or when someone crazy is going on, you could end up with a broken system |
| 09:31.01 | g333k | will it be dangerous using gparted? |
| 09:31.01 | streuner | peterS: wth? |
| 09:31.08 | centrx | r3tex That is unlikely to happen at the moment because sid is rather frozen for the upcoming release |
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| 09:31.13 | peterS | streuner: why did you just try to change that factoid? |
| 09:31.19 | r3tex | centrx, ok thanks |
| 09:31.30 | streuner | peterS: /msg chanserv access #debian list and compare it what it said before... |
| 09:31.46 | valdyn | g333k: no idea, i dont resize partitions with data, seems tedious and dangerous compared to moving stuff... |
| 09:31.48 | peterS | streuner: why did you hard-code "streuner" in there though? |
| 09:31.57 | streuner | heh |
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| 09:32.11 | peterS | please leave things alone that you don't understand |
| 09:32.26 | streuner | feel free to edit the cmd |
| 09:32.37 | peterS | no need, you didn't successfully change it anyway |
| 09:33.18 | streuner | prolly, the only one who changed factoids and cmd's was greycat and my logs are gone... |
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| 09:34.07 | streuner | in public channel, so the knowledge is bad after i did it half year ago, i hoped somebody would help me ;-) |
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| 09:44.25 | wireddd_ | how am I supposed to setup my laptop display and the vga out as different devices in my xorg.conf? |
| 09:44.54 | wireddd_ | its an old ati rage 3d lt |
| 09:45.22 | centrx | angrily |
| 09:45.39 | wireddd_ | if it will even work |
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| 09:45.59 | drmay | is there any caritative soul who invite me to open a gmail account? |
| 09:46.09 | wireddd_ | I will |
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| 09:47.02 | peterS | drmay: please don't abuse #debian for soliciting favors that have nothing to do with debian. thanks. |
| 09:47.43 | drmay | well, sorry, i'd like to have an @debian.org account, but in the meanwhile... |
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| 09:47.58 | centrx | poor guy |
| 09:48.01 | peterS | drmay: your request has nothing to do with debian. why did you think this was an appropriate place to ask? |
| 09:48.30 | drmay | sorry peterS |
| 09:48.57 | wireddd_ | drmay did you get the link |
| 09:48.59 | peterS | why does _anyone_ think this is a good channel to ask for things that have nothing to do with debian? drmay isn't the first person to be confused about this, so I'm curious |
| 09:49.05 | peterS | wireddd_: take it elsewhere |
| 09:49.26 | wireddd_ | ok, drmay care to join me in #debian-offtopic |
| 09:49.54 | streuner | peterS: they want annoy YOU :-) |
| 09:50.09 | drmay | peterS, i'm debianite as well, sometimes yo want to say nothing related to the topic of the channel, is exceptional |
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| 09:50.57 | peterS | drmay: but you joined the channel _only_ to ask for something non-debian-related. we can tell by the timing of when you joined and what else you said (i.e., nothing) |
| 09:50.59 | centrx | If there is no other conversation in a channel, I don't see anything wrong with asking off-topic questions |
| 09:51.13 | peterS | centrx: this isn't an offtopic question, it's a solicitation |
| 09:51.49 | peterS | he wanted access to some internet service that isn't even running debian |
| 09:52.19 | centrx | oh I just assumed gmail was running Debian |
| 09:52.23 | drmay | yes, peters, the only motivation this time to connect here is to ask the offtopic question, the easiest thing i've done is joininit the channel more usual 4 me, sorry again, don't bother |
| 09:54.16 | peterS | xingu: try it. just don't trade your gmail account in #debian. |
| 09:54.30 | xingu | pass |
| 09:55.23 | drmay | has debian any application to open gmail accounts? |
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| 09:55.36 | wireddd_ | hah |
| 09:56.09 | peterS | drmay: no |
| 09:56.46 | peterS | well, it does, but you would have known that if you were _really_ a debian user, because real debian users know how to search for packages |
| 09:57.35 | wireddd_ | does gmailfs work well? |
| 09:58.10 | streuner | BTS should tell you |
| 09:58.14 | streuner | !info gmailfs |
| 09:58.19 | dpkg | gmailfs: (Use your GMail account as a filesystem), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 09:58.27 | peterS | gmailfs is a pretty useless package. how many people really need 1 GB of additional disk space, and can't buy a flash drive or something instead? |
| 09:58.45 | wireddd_ | 2.6GB |
| 09:58.50 | wireddd_ | but I digress |
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| 09:59.13 | peterS | USB2 is also quite a lot faster than most people's upload speeds |
| 09:59.33 | peterS | so storing data on a flash drive is a lot pleasanter than storing it on gmailfs, even in theory |
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| 09:59.45 | drmay | i know apt-cache peterS, i was trying to be sarchastic, sorry again |
| 09:59.56 | jelly-home | peterS: gmail is free. |
| 09:59.57 | peterS | drmay: thin ice, dude, thin ice |
| 10:00.02 | streuner | drmay: 1 sorry is enough :-) |
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| 10:00.24 | zasz | hello |
| 10:00.33 | wireddd_ | hi |
| 10:00.41 | zasz | question for you guys. Let's say I've got a primary mailserver with low mx value. On the second mailserver for my domain I have a higher MX value. If the priamry server goes down, mail will go to the second. What configuration needs to take place in order for the secondary server to send all mail over to the primary when it's up again |
| 10:00.46 | zasz | It is running Postfix |
| 10:01.55 | streuner | did you search at postfix.org? |
| 10:02.04 | zasz | yes |
| 10:02.09 | zasz | I'm not sure if it requires ETRN or not |
| 10:02.12 | zasz | I don't think it does |
| 10:02.30 | peterS | no, I don't think anyone needs ETRN these days |
| 10:02.41 | petemc | i know some people still using it |
| 10:02.47 | peterS | what for? |
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| 10:02.57 | petemc | pulling a mail feed over dial up |
| 10:03.04 | peterS | so, something like UUCP |
| 10:03.16 | zasz | I figured as much. After reading that ETRN is for mail servers that disconnect all the time and that it is initiated by the the mailserver itself, it didn't make sense |
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| 10:03.43 | zasz | I figure all I need to to is create a transport to my primary mailserver |
| 10:03.45 | basanta | in my debian/kde/ box, I just installed skim, but it doesn't behave the way scim does in gnome. don't they work the same way? |
| 10:03.47 | drmay | test |
| 10:03.51 | xingu | zasz: normally if a host knows itself as an MX it will queue for local delivery; how you evade that semantic is a matter of site policy |
| 10:04.05 | drmay | test |
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| 10:04.17 | peterS | good riddance |
| 10:04.20 | peterS | oh, he's back |
| 10:04.43 | zasz | I see. So if the MX is set correctly, and of course postfix is set to be a relay domain for the domain in question, as long as I set a transport to the primary mailserver I should be fine right |
| 10:04.47 | xingu | zasz: one tactic that works is to ensure that the secondary's dns view in fact only lists the primary as an MX, and, it allows relay for that zone; then it will queue and periodically attempt redelivery |
| 10:04.51 | zasz | ie, the mailserver with the lower MX |
| 10:04.53 | drmay | hi peterS |
| 10:05.19 | peterS | drmay: do you have anything debian-related to discuss, other than your stupid webmail? |
| 10:06.07 | streuner | do you have other things to do vs. asking people senseless questions vs. edit the ops cmd.? |
| 10:06.19 | xingu | zasz: how all this applies to your site and postfix in particular is not something I'd want to get into as it can get real complex real quick; and when I was doing this stuff, I used sendmail anyway. :) |
| 10:06.34 | drmay | what are you talking about peters? |
| 10:06.43 | zasz | xingu, I think ill just use a transports mapping |
| 10:06.56 | zasz | it's a whole lot clearer now, I just had to think it over |
| 10:07.00 | zasz | (as I haven't done it before) |
| 10:07.01 | peterS | streuner: your edit, if it had done what you thought, would have made the factoid stop working. then someone would have had to look up how to fix it. thanks for nothing. |
| 10:07.06 | zasz | Thank you. |
| 10:07.38 | streuner | peterS: it didn't make any changes to the cmd. |
| 10:07.47 | peterS | fortunately, you got the syntax wrong so it didn't break the command like you tried to do |
| 10:08.09 | streuner | peterS: /msg literal cmd (.*?) |
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| 10:08.30 | streuner | peterS: /msg dpkg literal ops (.*?) |
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| 10:09.16 | peterS | yes, you've proved your point, which is that you still don't know how factoid processing works |
| 10:09.37 | peterS | now please stop trying to break or fix it, who knows what kind of mess you will leave it in |
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| 10:10.33 | jelly-home | that !ops doesn't look like a factoid at all, more like a builtin function |
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| 10:11.10 | xingu | zasz: no problem; "local delivery" means what it implies, generally mta will invoke mda if its view of dns specifies it to be an mx |
| 10:11.14 | peterS | jelly-home: it _is_ a factoid, with somewhat complex syntax. streuner doesn't understand the syntax, so his attempts to "fix" it are more likely to break it than anything else |
| 10:11.39 | zasz | xingu, have you use postfix before |
| 10:12.00 | zasz | because if it's set as a relay, and the transport maps to the primary mailserver, then I don't see how dns would get involved |
| 10:12.01 | xingu | zasz: there's obviously two approaches there; alter the dns view so that it does not locally see itself as an mx, or, use static (smtp) routing that has a higher precedence in lookup to the mx check |
| 10:12.17 | streuner | peterS: factoids aren't cmd's :-) |
| 10:12.27 | zasz | by static smtp routing are you referring to the transports file |
| 10:12.48 | xingu | zasz: no, I bowed out just as postfix started to become interesting; what you're describing appears to be the "higher precedence (than mx) local routing" approach |
| 10:12.50 | peterS | streuner: you keep proving that point over and over. it's getting old. |
| 10:12.56 | xingu | zasz: seems likely |
| 10:13.10 | peterS | I mean the point about how you don't understand this stuff |
| 10:13.32 | zasz | alright. well tomorrow ill have to test my theory |
| 10:13.36 | streuner | well, scroll up, i never said anything other :-) |
| 10:14.11 | xingu | zasz: sendmail can do this with a mailertable map too |
| 10:14.17 | streuner | but that's not the point, the point is rather to get a *right* !ops cmd. :-) |
| 10:14.32 | cahoot | pleas lets drop it |
| 10:14.33 | xingu | zasz: there's other reasons to do this with a split dns view (split as in one view for internet, one view for local) |
| 10:14.35 | peterS | streuner: it's not broken now. unless you've broken it since I last checked. please don't. |
| 10:14.52 | xingu | zasz: you'll trip over them as your site complexity increases |
| 10:15.12 | zasz | I take your advice seriously |
| 10:15.21 | zasz | I'll talk to someone on monday regarding this |
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| 10:20.11 | xingu | zasz: one final bone to chew on in this day and age is how you want to handle spam; if mail is queued at the secondary mx, obviously the primary will only see mail relayed from it |
| 10:20.41 | xingu | zasz: this means that you might have to think about how to synchronise what you're doing by way of source and protocol tests for spam between the two |
| 10:21.03 | peterS | yeah, whatever MTA-level anti-spam measures you have _must_ be deployed to both primary and secondary MX. otherwise spammers will just target your secondary MX. |
| 10:21.05 | zasz | secondary will not filter spam. |
| 10:21.14 | xingu | then you'll get spam from it... |
| 10:21.16 | zasz | orly |
| 10:21.25 | zasz | well I am ok with it relaying spam back to my primary |
| 10:21.29 | zasz | it will filter it out anyway |
| 10:21.49 | peterS | zasz: by the time the secondary sends it to the primary, it's too late to reject the mail. best you can do is drop it on the floor, or send back a bounce, and bouncing is bad because of fake envelope from addresses |
| 10:21.58 | xingu | zasz: *nod* but just be consciously aware that the primary will be recieving all content from a standards compliant, trusted origin (the secondary) |
| 10:22.13 | zasz | damn. |
| 10:22.21 | zasz | sounds like I've got to setup a secondary filter as well then. |
| 10:22.29 | xingu | usually, this is true |
| 10:22.39 | peterS | zasz: well, if you're doing SMTP-time filtering, which is a good idea, then yes, you should do the same filtering on all MXes |
| 10:22.54 | peterS | zasz: if you only filter mail _after_ it has been accepted by the SMTP server, then it doesn't really matter |
| 10:23.22 | zasz | well i use amavis-d and external content filters |
| 10:23.32 | zasz | postfix does a few checks as well |
| 10:23.49 | peterS | zasz: also, spammers know very well that lots of people don't do as much filtering on secondary MXes. so if they see two MXes with different priorities, they'll send to the secondary one. |
| 10:24.06 | zasz | ok |
| 10:24.14 | zasz | spammers need to be shot |
| 10:24.25 | peterS | yeah, but that's not practical yet |
| 10:24.28 | xingu | zasz: just be aware of the problem space and spend a half hour or so thinking it through is my suggestion; it's not an insurmountable, but choices need to be consciously made and written into the design |
| 10:24.38 | peterS | internet face stabbing would be a useful innovation in spam control |
| 10:24.53 | zasz | xingu i'm just not sure how to set that up |
| 10:24.58 | zasz | would it use a local hosts file |
| 10:25.03 | zasz | which only knows about mx1 ? |
| 10:25.26 | zasz | in other words it wouldn't realize it was amail server for the domain, and it would just pass it on when the server is up again |
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| 10:25.40 | xingu | zasz: hosts can't supply mx detail |
| 10:25.52 | zasz | internal dns server then ? |
| 10:25.53 | xingu | zasz: literally; it correlates to A records in a dns zone |
| 10:25.58 | xingu | zasz: now you're thinking. |
| 10:26.16 | zasz | bleh |
| 10:26.16 | zasz | having a single transport mapping _seems_ much simpler |
| 10:26.23 | xingu | zasz: or fudge one with whatever postfix-ese is for a mailertable (from the sounds of it - a transport mapping) |
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| 10:27.20 | zasz | let me show you an example of a transport mapping. I use my postfix box as a front end for exchange |
| 10:27.31 | xingu | zasz: it will be - for the first zone, for the first relay destination; but then you grow more domains and more internet relays |
| 10:28.00 | zasz | n0de.ws smtp:192.168.2.2:25 |
| 10:28.00 | zasz | pretty freakin simple isn't it |
| 10:28.09 | xingu | zasz: and then you want to start doing routing based on spam weightings, user and mailbox, ... |
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| 10:28.30 | xingu | zasz: *nod* looks just like a mailertable; it's mx info that can't be extracted from hosts |
| 10:28.53 | zasz | so it's either that |
| 10:29.02 | xingu | zasz: and then some clown of a manager asks you to start doing routing based on time of day and link saturation |
| 10:29.03 | zasz | or maintain just as many different dns zones |
| 10:29.14 | zasz | ah |
| 10:29.18 | zasz | haha |
| 10:29.45 | xingu | I'll shut up now, you've got enough to think about as it is and this is getting up peterS' nose too likely as not. |
| 10:29.46 | zasz | Well I am off to bed. Good discussion. |
| 10:29.48 | zasz | Take care all. |
| 10:30.00 | peterS | xingu: nah, postfix problems are on-topic |
| 10:31.07 | peterS | general discussions about what should be done to spammers when they are caught are not really on topic, but we usually tolerate _those_ as long as they don't run too long |
| 10:31.16 | xingu | :) |
| 10:31.43 | xingu | good, I know I can bang on a bit when people trip one of my hobby horses |
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| 10:32.33 | |ryan| | I use exim's hubbed-hosts to handle routing on secondary mxs |
| 10:33.18 | |ryan| | but I _only_ list the secondary MXs in DNS, that is, the internet facing MXs are only there to do filtering and relay to the primary MX for the domain.. |
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| 10:34.39 | xingu | |ryan|: back when I was doing this the standard drop was a pair of internet facing relays, one inbound and one outbound; and a pair of organisation-facing relays, ditto |
| 10:35.44 | |ryan| | why put the inbound and outbound of seperate systems? |
| 10:36.12 | xingu | |ryan|: router with interface acl's and fully topology facing the internet; default+static routed external relays; firewall between internal and external relays; static routed-only internal relays |
| 10:36.48 | xingu | |ryan|: simplicity, robustness, and a fairly tidy failure mode in a partitioning event |
| 10:37.20 | xingu | |ryan|: it means there's no chance of relaying for a domain unintended as the mailer config is directional as well as per-zone |
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| 10:37.42 | xingu | |ryan|: and it also means that if one fails, it only impacts that function |
| 10:38.11 | xingu | |ryan|: finally, it means that your rulesets for transport layer acl's can get some directional love too; compartmentalisation if you like. |
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| 10:39.12 | xingu | |ryan|: if you start by assuming that one of your internet reachable systems *is* breached and work from that standpoint you'll start to see it |
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| 10:42.21 | sinizzl | hi |
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| 10:42.54 | |ryan| | xingu: I haven't had a system breach in years. |
| 10:43.23 | |ryan| | Possibly just luck. |
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| 10:43.32 | xingu | possibly |
| 10:43.35 | |ryan| | but I also have lately been taking other measuers... |
| 10:43.42 | |ryan| | linux-vserver is awesome. |
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| 10:45.30 | CharminTheMoose | i have a question that is stoopid so i'll ask it.How do i tell what the random wires trailing in and out from my router to my computer and also to my extension line that plugs into a wall phone jack are? |
| 10:45.35 | xingu | |ryan|: a greybeard a long time ago told me to always design for single failure at each layer of the stack, and he was right |
| 10:46.34 | xingu | |ryan|: knowing what each failure mode will be in advance and documenting response to it is a good thing |
| 10:47.00 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: there aren't that many wires. your "router", as you call it, has an Internet connection at one end, and most likely an Ethernet connection to each computer |
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| 10:48.34 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: if it's plugged into your phone line, it's probably an ADSL modem, so the "random wires" going from your ADSL modem to your extension line are just a POTS telephone cord carrying PPP packets inside ATM frames on a DSL signal |
| 10:48.52 | admin123 | how does one get all(only the debs no (download only)) from a --get-selections file? |
| 10:49.12 | admin123 | apt-get -d -u --reinstall dselect-upgrade doesn't work |
| 10:49.39 | xingu | admin123: is "apt-proxy" the answer to your problem? |
| 10:50.00 | CharminTheMoose | PeterS,That actually made sense to me. |
| 10:50.39 | CharminTheMoose | but what i'm asking is what are the names of the wires? |
| 10:51.12 | peterS | admin123: perhaps this? dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ if ($2 == "install") print $1 }' | xargs apt-get -d install --reinstall |
| 10:51.17 | xingu | admin123: also see apt-zip |
| 10:52.01 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: I don't know the names of the wires in a POTS phone cord, but the only two interesting ones are the two in the middle - the cable may have 4 or 6 wires but the outside ones are only used for a second or third phone line |
| 10:52.14 | Zap-W | apperently having too many options isnt GooD . |
| 10:52.59 | Zap-W | in the manual for sfdisk , under BUGS : too many options |
| 10:53.31 | CharminTheMoose | oh |
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| 10:55.03 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: as for the Ethernet cables between your "router" and your computers, those have 8 wires in them, the only interesting ones _there_ are wires 1, 2, 3 and 6. 1 + 2 form a pair for transmitting one direction, 3 + 6 form a pair for transmitting the other direction. these are typically colored orange and green, respectively. |
| 10:55.20 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: unless your network is Gigabit speed, in which case all 4 pairs (8 wires) are used |
| 10:55.41 | wireddd_ | peterS, doesn't 100mbit also use all 4 pairs? |
| 10:55.59 | xingu | adsl physical layer is generally g991.1 or g991.2 |
| 10:56.06 | peterS | wireddd_: 100base4 does, 100baseTX does not. 100baseTX is the only thing anyone uses anymore, 100base4 is a dead standard |
| 10:56.11 | xingu | some dsl's are two pair/ four wire |
| 10:56.18 | xingu | it's not too dissimilar to t1 |
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| 10:56.57 | enouf | tarzeau: ping |
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| 10:57.00 | peterS | wireddd_: errr, I mean 100baseT4, not 100base4. anyway, it's really hard to find 100baseT4 equipment anymore, they had a brief format war back when 100 mbit was new |
| 10:57.10 | peterS | and 100baseTX won |
| 10:57.33 | enouf | infernix: ping |
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| 10:59.21 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: when I say wires 1 2 3 6 on the ethernet cable, they are numbered from left to right if you hold the RJ-45 jack up in front of your face, pointing up, copper pin side facing you |
| 10:59.34 | peterS | errr, s/jack/plug/ |
| 11:00.32 | CharminTheMoose | oh right |
| 11:00.50 | xingu | peterS: /powered/ 100baseTX uses another pair. :) |
| 11:00.59 | peterS | wires 4, 5 (unused by ethernet), typically blue, are in the same position as your phone would need if you plugged an RJ-11 phone cord into the same jack. this is not a coincidence. some places wire a wall port up to serve either phone or ethernet |
| 11:01.06 | peterS | xingu: oh, I don't know anything about POE |
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| 11:01.51 | wireddd_ | if you are going to make a cable you should still wire all of the pairs just in case... |
| 11:01.56 | peterS | of course |
| 11:02.09 | peterS | 'cause gigabit is coming to town |
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| 11:02.42 | xingu | and cheap arse mdi's get ill when wires are missing |
| 11:02.43 | peterS | and the plastic plug will be stronger if it has all 8 wires crimped in |
| 11:02.57 | peterS | they do? heh |
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| 11:03.48 | xingu | some of them handle the "who's on first?" situation of primary/slave clock negotiation less than gracefully in the situation where the physical layer is confused |
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| 11:04.16 | peterS | I've seen a place where a wall port has a single piece of cat5 and a single port serving _two_ ethernet connections, you had to get a little Y-adapter to split it out. that was cute. |
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| 11:04.44 | wireddd_ | has anyone actually tried running vga over cat5? |
| 11:04.45 | xingu | yep, used that trick myself |
| 11:04.54 | wireddd_ | I read somewhere that you could |
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| 11:05.13 | xingu | verses pulling another multicore through solid granite... |
| 11:05.18 | rxMokka | hey, a rotary fan |
| 11:05.31 | rxMokka | wankel: don't y'all have cars with the 20B native to your region? |
| 11:05.34 | xingu | wireddd: I doubt it; impedence would be all to cock |
| 11:05.38 | peterS | wireddd_: I've seen it done commercially. I don't know if they just piped analog component video, or converted to something else, but yes, you can buy boxes that send vga signals to each other that way |
| 11:06.05 | xingu | wireddd: various kvm vendors sell vga to packet cat5 gear |
| 11:06.17 | xingu | wireddd: but all of them quantitize the vga first |
| 11:06.34 | peterS | wireddd_: the setup I saw was a classroom setup, where a single controller station for the instructor could send one computer's vga signal to all the student machines. easier to read than a projector. |
| 11:06.38 | wireddd_ | it was just wired |
| 11:07.04 | peterS | and just a few thousand dollars, not much more than buying a projector |
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| 11:09.08 | xingu | vga is designed for 75ohm, cat5 is 100ohm |
| 11:09.22 | xingu | at the very least you'd need a balun |
| 11:09.36 | rxMokka | isn't this what vnc is for ;) |
| 11:10.04 | wireddd_ | this is where I read it... |
| 11:10.08 | wireddd_ | http://www.geocities.com/dougburbidge/vgaovercat5.html |
| 11:10.09 | peterS | rxMokka: vnc is a PITA when you're dealing with opengl applications |
| 11:10.22 | peterS | rxMokka: the pure hardware solution neatly bypasses OS drivers, software launching, etc., etc., etc. |
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| 11:10.42 | xingu | ... and comes with the free booby prizes of ghosting and ringing |
| 11:10.43 | xingu | woo |
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| 11:11.11 | wireddd_ | good enough for the console |
| 11:11.19 | peterS | xingu: the setup I saw in that classroom was quite good in that regard. the vendor rated it up to 1600x1200, I think, and I don't think the classroom was using quite that much bandwidth |
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| 11:11.55 | peterS | of course, the only reason the quality was so high is that _I_ was the one who made all those cat5 cables |
| 11:12.06 | xingu | out of molten paperclips? |
| 11:12.10 | peterS | yes! |
| 11:12.19 | peterS | I crimped the ends on WITH MY TEETH |
| 11:12.41 | wireddd_ | thats the only way to get a solid connection |
| 11:12.41 | xingu | don't laugh, I "fixed" an arcnet bustage using paperclips once |
| 11:12.53 | loca|host | anyone know how to resolve the "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" problem in debian etch ? |
| 11:12.56 | xingu | now that really is an indestructable physical layer |
| 11:13.01 | xingu | it just about runs over free air |
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| 11:13.25 | xingu | it's kinda cute the way it gets slower the longer the cable run too |
| 11:13.31 | peterS | xingu: yeah, I haven't used arcnet but it does have a reputation for being robust layer-1-wise |
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| 11:14.18 | xingu | loca|host: dpkg-reconfigure locales? locale-gen? who knows |
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| 11:14.40 | Miles_Prower | Thanks all who tried to help, turns out the PCI gigabit nic = fubar. =P |
| 11:14.59 | rxMokka | bad hardware always sucks :? |
| 11:15.01 | loca|host | xingu, nothing with all those ! it seems that this is the big error: "No such file or directory" |
| 11:15.02 | rxMokka | * :/ |
| 11:15.05 | Miles_Prower | Robw810 did do the best though. :) |
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| 11:15.20 | Miles_Prower | Aye, rxmokka. |
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| 11:15.37 | Miles_Prower | I now have a webserver / ssh / ftp server.. |
| 11:15.43 | Miles_Prower | that's also a functional network router. ^.^ |
| 11:15.52 | Alam_Debian | Tails? |
| 11:15.55 | Miles_Prower | to replace our flaky Linksys. |
| 11:15.56 | Miles_Prower | hmm? |
| 11:16.04 | wireddd_ | its tails |
| 11:16.07 | Miles_Prower | ^.^; |
| 11:16.31 | Miles_Prower | Aye. oh, yeah. right now only one PC is linked via this routing. |
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| 11:16.42 | Miles_Prower | as the roomie insisted on getting internet, you see. |
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| 11:16.58 | Miles_Prower | so I daisy-chained it with the flaky router for temp work,. |
| 11:17.04 | Miles_Prower | and now the webserver is down |
| 11:17.23 | Alam_Debian | Linksys WRT54G? |
| 11:17.34 | Miles_Prower | V1.1, at that. |
| 11:17.41 | Miles_Prower | running DD-wrt. |
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| 11:17.50 | rxMokka | aww, those are flakey? |
| 11:17.54 | Miles_Prower | Only this one. |
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| 11:18.02 | Miles_Prower | but it's outlived 3 power supplies in my PC. |
| 11:18.05 | wireddd_ | Miles_Prower, I just used a regular computer as a router |
| 11:18.07 | Miles_Prower | 2 due to lightning strikes. |
| 11:18.07 | Alam_Debian | no custom firmware? |
| 11:18.12 | Miles_Prower | DD-wrt. |
| 11:18.17 | rxMokka | ah, ok :) I recently spent 4 hard earned dollars on a wrt |
| 11:18.17 | Miles_Prower | linux firmware. ^.^ |
| 11:18.21 | Alam_Debian | yea! |
| 11:18.36 | Miles_Prower | even though that made it more stable.. |
| 11:18.40 | Miles_Prower | still overheats and locks up. |
| 11:18.46 | Miles_Prower | every few days |
| 11:18.52 | rxMokka | hack a chipset fan into the case |
| 11:19.02 | Miles_Prower | I was thinking of taking this 120mm fan I have out of a dell XPS. |
| 11:19.04 | Miles_Prower | =P |
| 11:19.07 | rxMokka | hahaha |
| 11:19.08 | Miles_Prower | and mounting that on it. |
| 11:19.09 | xingu | wasn't there an underclocking thing that could be done to the wrt to stabilise it? |
| 11:19.19 | Miles_Prower | only on some models. V2,3. |
| 11:19.28 | Miles_Prower | V1, V1.1, no. |
| 11:19.50 | xingu | oh well; 802.11n is just around the corner |
| 11:19.55 | rxMokka | Miles_Prower: does its processor have a heatsink? you should check its thermal paste for life if it does |
| 11:20.05 | Miles_Prower | I haven't cracked it yet |
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| 11:20.18 | xingu | along with duke nukem forever |
| 11:20.25 | rxMokka | lmao |
| 11:20.32 | rxMokka | we're still waiting on dn forever? |
| 11:20.33 | rxMokka | :( |
| 11:20.39 | Alam_Debian | no, long live SRB2! |
| 11:20.56 | wireddd_ | isn't dnf in the 802.11n spec? |
| 11:20.56 | dieb | Hello all. I've got a pb which i never enconter with setfacl on partition monted with (rw,acl) : |
| 11:20.56 | xingu | so that's what the holdup is |
| 11:21.09 | dieb | # setfacl -m u:foo:rwx /home/bar give me setfacl: /home/bar: Function not implemented |
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| 11:21.32 | wireddd_ | and dnf requires winfs, so it could be quite a while |
| 11:21.35 | xingu | dieb: sounds like the filesystem doesn't support posix acl's |
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| 11:22.12 | dieb | xingu: very strange because it's Etch, with filesystem monted like : type ext3 (rw,acl) |
| 11:22.37 | dieb | AFAIK kernel support filesystem acl by default, doesn't it? |
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| 11:23.07 | xingu | nope, it's a configurable compile time, and if memory serves its defaulted off |
| 11:23.22 | xingu | mind you, I'm checking that now just out of interest |
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| 11:24.43 | xingu | dieb: try this - zgrep XATTR /proc/config.gz |
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| 11:25.10 | rxMokka | lol, isn't proc/config.gz disabled by default too? |
| 11:25.24 | xingu | I told you it was wild |
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| 11:26.00 | adamt | a bit annoying that it's disabled, but that's life :p |
| 11:26.02 | dieb | gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
| 11:26.09 | xingu | dieb: EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL suggests N depends on EXT3_FS_XATTR defaults Y |
| 11:26.19 | xingu | dieb: you right from there, or do we need to keep going? |
| 11:26.55 | dieb | grep ACL config-2.6.8-3-32-smp give me CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y among others |
| 11:27.06 | xingu | ok, well that's good news; how about XATTR? |
| 11:27.23 | dieb | CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y |
| 11:28.21 | xingu | ok, well that's the kernel side, lemme look and see if I can replicate |
| 11:32.01 | xingu | dieb: hmm, I have it off; two suggestions; use getfacl /home/bar, and, maybe strace -f your setfacl; then paste somewhere we can see? |
| 11:32.08 | xingu | that sounds crude |
| 11:32.16 | xingu | I have posix acl's off |
| 11:32.56 | dieb | xingu: yes. Where do you want me to paste it? |
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| 11:33.06 | xingu | !tell dieb about paste |
| 11:35.04 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to compile a 2.0 kernel on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:35.11 | CharminTheMoose | i keep getting error messages |
| 11:35.17 | CharminTheMoose | when i do make bzImage |
| 11:35.20 | edrin | anyone knows a good bluetooth able laptop mouse? |
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| 11:35.32 | xingu | didn't think 2.0 supported bzImage target |
| 11:35.59 | CharminTheMoose | so do i have todo make zImage? |
| 11:36.29 | Sargun | make install |
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| 11:36.34 | xingu | that'll be one issue; you may also have an entertaining time getting a userland that can both deal with 2.6 and also not break the 2.0 build |
| 11:36.45 | Sargun | Why do you want a 2.0 kernel? |
| 11:36.46 | Sargun | class? |
| 11:36.50 | xingu | I seem to remember it being quite particular about binutils |
| 11:37.11 | CharminTheMoose | Sargun,I'm trying to make a boot/root disk on a floppy for the hell of it. |
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| 11:37.19 | dieb | xingu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4538 |
| 11:37.21 | CharminTheMoose | and i figured that a small kernel would be ok. |
| 11:37.55 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: in your shoes, I'd bootstrap debian hamm or bo from scratch in a virtual machine |
| 11:38.03 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: it'd waste fewer hours in the long run I figure |
| 11:38.32 | xingu | I'm not totally sure 2.0's PCI support is complete come to think of it; the next challenge will be finding a system that still has enough legacy boot-time hardware to boot the result |
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| 11:39.35 | CharminTheMoose | in my early days of linux freedom i managed to boot a fair few 2.0 kernels from this computer |
| 11:39.44 | CharminTheMoose | twas on floppy disk |
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| 11:40.54 | xingu | dieb: what happens if you use "bar"'s uid rather than the name? |
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| 11:41.42 | xingu | dieb: trace is essentially telling me that it's a mapping problem between username "bar" and bar's uid; eliminate the mapping problem, and retest |
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| 11:42.49 | xingu | dieb: on success - the next question is "can it take symbolic usernames or is it uid's only" which would seem.. a little retro if true; if it supposed to be able to map usernames to uids - is there something broken about your *pwent() stuff locally |
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| 11:43.04 | xingu | dieb: on failure - I guess it will be a different failure; so restrace and repaste |
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| 11:44.23 | aronofsky | hi, I just installed a debia testing and I got a problem with kde control center, when i launch it the left side is empty, there is no menu to choose module to configure, does anyone is aware of the problem and is there a solution ? |
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| 11:45.38 | Eulex | aronofsky, topic in #debian-kde |
| 11:45.39 | CharminTheMoose | how can i make a directory read/writeable for everyone? |
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| 11:45.52 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, chmod it 777 |
| 11:46.29 | CharminTheMoose | thanks Eulex |
| 11:46.32 | dieb | xingu: sorry, wrong name. http://channels.debian.net/paste/4539 Test with uid instead of name give same result |
| 11:47.38 | dieb | i've test with the wroing username, this is why you saw a bad username/uid mapping |
| 11:47.39 | Zap-W | in fdisk how do i print unallocated area - free space on the hardisk , and where it's sitting , beginning end , or whateve |
| 11:47.41 | CharminTheMoose | where can i get chroot? |
| 11:47.48 | CharminTheMoose | apt-get doesn't love me |
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| 11:48.34 | xingu | dieb: can you strace with ..."-m u:n:rwx /home/foo" where "n" is foo's uid? (use "id foo" if unsure) |
| 11:48.45 | aarchie | I'm trying to get mythtv working with my DVB-T card but the scan isn't producing any results. All I get are "Timeout Scanning [ offset 1 , offset 2 , ] -- no signal" messages. |
| 11:49.50 | aarchie | Although the card is recognised and the "signal strength" and "signal/noise" bars fluctuate during the scan. |
| 11:50.22 | dieb | xingu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4540 |
| 11:51.00 | aarchie | Scans on the same card work fine in Kaffeine. I'm using the mythtv packages from Debian Multimedia. Any suggestions? |
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| 11:53.33 | xingu | dieb: cheers, just reading through the trace looking for the actual failure |
| 11:54.30 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, 777 might be too much of 'everyone', though |
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| 11:55.11 | CharminTehM00se_ | !test |
| 11:55.11 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:55.22 | CharminTehM00se_ | !test |
| 11:55.22 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 11:55.50 | enouf | !lose CharminTehM00se_ |
| 11:55.51 | dpkg | CharminTehM00se_: You Lose. |
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| 11:56.06 | CharminTehM00se_ | damn |
| 11:56.27 | CharminTehM00se_ | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 11:56.34 | CharminTehM00se_ | why do i get this message? |
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| 11:56.58 | Eulex | !factinfo test |
| 11:56.59 | dpkg | test -- last modified 17h 58m 28s ago by CBG!n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG; it has been requested 7 times, last by Eulex, 1m 5s ago. |
| 11:57.15 | enouf | what's the exact command you're using .. and are you using zsh instead of bash? |
| 11:57.37 | CharminTehM00se_ | sudo chroot uploaded |
| 11:57.39 | peterS | CharminTehM00se_: I'm guessing your chroot is incomplete - perhaps you don't have /lib/ld-linux.so.2 in it? |
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| 11:57.48 | CharminTehM00se_ | and i'm using bash |
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| 11:58.16 | CharminTehM00se_ | peterS,i do have ld-linux.so.2 |
| 11:58.23 | dieb | xingu: i really don't know where the error can be in strace |
| 11:58.52 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: are you on a LiveCD or something? |
| 11:58.55 | peterS | CharminTehM00se_: and also the rest of what 'ldd /bin/bash' shows that you need? |
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| 11:59.06 | xingu | dieb: can't quite figure out what's going on there; it grabs a file descriptor after open()ing the directory, and then marks it not to close across exec (SETFD), and then goes straight off looking for your localised error strings |
| 11:59.12 | peterS | CharminTehM00se_: (you can ignore "linux-gate.so.1", it is not a real library, it's a kernel facility) |
| 11:59.33 | xingu | dieb: is there a problem with your locale settings maybe? |
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| 12:00.06 | CharminTehM00se_ | i have all the libraries |
| 12:00.14 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: what's "uploaded"? anyway a mount point? |
| 12:00.22 | CharminTehM00se_ | enouf,yes |
| 12:00.32 | CharminTehM00se_ | 50mb partition |
| 12:00.34 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: then sudo chroot /uploaded |
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| 12:01.07 | CharminTehM00se_ | same error message |
| 12:01.09 | CharminTehM00se_ | pfft |
| 12:01.16 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: or sudo chroot /mnt/uploaded .. or whereevr up;loaded is mopunted |
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| 12:01.26 | CharminTehM00se_ | i tried it |
| 12:01.30 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: drop to root also .. just in case |
| 12:02.07 | aronofsky | Im on testing for a few times and i was wondering if i can go to unstable, id like to know if you really got problem of borken packages on a regular basis or if its about he same as testing ? |
| 12:02.30 | CharminTehM00se_ | it refuses to see /bin/bash |
| 12:02.31 | blondie | aronofsky: broken packages lots |
| 12:02.39 | blondie | certainly not the same as testing |
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| 12:02.57 | enouf | aronofsky: a few times? .. maybe review this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
| 12:03.32 | enouf | and do it more than a few times ;-) |
| 12:03.38 | CharminTehM00se_ | anyone know why this won't work??? |
| 12:04.15 | [Hugo] | hello all |
| 12:04.19 | aronofsky | ok so you guys are all on testing ? |
| 12:04.28 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: or sudo chroot /mnt/uploaded /bin/bash |
| 12:04.53 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: chroot /mnt/uploaded /bin/sh |
| 12:05.18 | CharminTehM00se_ | for some reaon,it does not see /bin/bash..... |
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| 12:05.50 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:06.05 | Mazingaro | please, I'm trying to compile mjpegtools, but it fails: MotionSearcher.hh:2444: internal compiler error: in tsubst, at cp/pt.c:7226 |
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| 12:06.24 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: funky permissions, funky File system .. who knows |
| 12:06.24 | dieb | xingu: i'm checking locale configuration |
| 12:06.27 | [Hugo] | I had some trouble with debian last week (I recently moved from FC to Debian, and am strugling a bit)... I took my PC to the beach (NERD :) and when I got there it was working fine... then the Users accounts stopped working... I had to use root... then the root account stopped working... and the system didnt recognize my root passwd... |
| 12:07.13 | CharminTehM00se_ | i changed the permmission of uploaded to 777 |
| 12:07.23 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: [06:57:52] <enouf> CharminTehM00se_: are you on a LiveCD or something? |
| 12:07.25 | CharminTehM00se_ | readwrite for all |
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| 12:07.31 | CharminTehM00se_ | nope |
| 12:07.39 | CharminTehM00se_ | i''m on a sarge install |
| 12:07.49 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: that took? |
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| 12:08.01 | CharminTehM00se_ | what? |
| 12:08.02 | enouf | Sarge Installer CD? .. |
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| 12:08.27 | CharminTehM00se_ | nope,harddrive install |
| 12:08.37 | enouf | how are you installing it? |
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| 12:08.49 | enouf | what Media is the installer on? |
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| 12:09.34 | CharminTehM00se_ | i'm gonna give debootstrapping hamm a shot and i'm using a 50mb harddrive partiton |
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| 12:10.07 | xingu | dieb: that's a bit of a shot in the dark too, cause I can't actually see it get as far as trying the acl functions |
| 12:10.10 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: well 1st you likely only have ash not bash |
| 12:10.46 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: look up busybox |
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| 12:11.40 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: 2nd if you vhmod 777 to another partition .. was that a / partition prior? |
| 12:12.28 | muh2000 | is there a TFTP server that runns as a daemon and not as a inetd....? |
| 12:12.48 | enouf | starts yawning and goes to sleep for a few hours .. snore |
| 12:13.22 | CharminTehM00se_ | heh |
| 12:13.41 | CharminTehM00se_ | enouf,are you talking about on my sarge box about having ash? |
| 12:13.54 | CharminTehM00se_ | 'cos i do have bash |
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| 12:17.20 | enouf | CharminTehM00se_: I don't think you can chroot into a non-root partition .. maybe look at fakeroot .. I have no idea what you're trying to do .. and you're not explaining .. so .. I goes back to snoring |
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| 12:26.36 | xingu | doh |
| 12:26.43 | Zap-W | how to reactiviate stopped with madmim -S ? |
| 12:26.52 | xingu | the one morning I don't check for a new stable kernel, and what happens? |
| 12:27.40 | muh2000 | :( /usr/sbin/tcpd: exit status 0x1 |
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| 12:31.07 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 12:31.36 | Hoxzer_ | hi.... |
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| 12:32.53 | bintut | i'm mirroring the packages of etch for amd64 using debmirror but i got a problem ==> http://paste.debian.net/16880 |
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| 12:33.28 | bintut | this is my first time to use debmirror and i'm planning to setup a partial mirror for etch am64.. can anyone help me here? |
| 12:34.26 | rohan | does debian-multimedia.org follow the same scheme as debian archive ? i.e. writing "etch" will follow etch through the transition from testing -> stable -> oldstable ? |
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| 12:35.21 | CharminTheMoose | why isn't there a release file for potato? |
| 12:35.41 | xingu | predates pools |
| 12:35.48 | xingu | there, that was easy. :) |
| 12:36.13 | CharminTheMoose | ah,so i can't debootstrap hamm? |
| 12:36.23 | CharminTheMoose | dang |
| 12:37.26 | bintut | anyone..? |
| 12:38.01 | CharminTheMoose | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages.gz I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages E: Couldn't download adduser how does that make sense??? |
| 12:39.07 | rohan | CharminTheMoose: are you using debootstrap ? |
| 12:39.15 | CharminTheMoose | yeah rohan |
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| 12:40.20 | rohan | CharminTheMoose: if debootstrap is not givin an error, then its fine |
| 12:40.38 | rohan | i tried debootstrap --arch i386 XXX it gave an error |
| 12:40.44 | rohan | and that output is fine |
| 12:42.10 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.16 | CharminTheMoose | what a crap error |
| 12:42.30 | CharminTheMoose | isn't debootstrap supposed to put it into a directory? |
| 12:43.42 | rohan | CharminTheMoose: i followed this - http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/17/1947210 |
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| 12:49.46 | muh2000 | xinetd doesnt start my tftp server :( |
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| 12:51.27 | muh2000 | same for inetd. |
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| 12:57.18 | h3sp4wn | if you are using tftpd-hpa it doesn't use inetd or xinetd by default just edit /etc/default/tftpd-hpa (as I said yesterday RUN_DAEMON="yes" needs to be unhashed at least) |
| 12:57.24 | CharminTheMoose | how large is the debootstrap sarge install? |
| 12:57.41 | CharminTheMoose | i only am using a 50mb partition for it |
| 12:58.07 | h3sp4wn | ~150mb (for mipsel) last time I tried it |
| 12:58.22 | CharminTheMoose | damn |
| 12:58.26 | muh2000 | h3sp4wn erm and how is it loaded then? i have no /etcinit.d/tftp-hpa..... |
| 12:58.48 | h3sp4wn | I have ... |
| 12:58.57 | muh2000 | and rund daemon="yes" is set in a conf file in /etc/default/... |
| 12:59.15 | kenboo | i have /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa too |
| 12:59.40 | muh2000 | crap.... where can i get that file? |
| 13:00.17 | kenboo | dpkg -S /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa says tftpd-hpa |
| 13:00.17 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa says tftpd-hpa is installed! |
| 13:00.41 | kenboo | i didn't mean to talk to dpkg... |
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| 13:01.05 | muh2000 | kenboo i dont get it what you mean |
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| 13:01.14 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to do the equivelaant of a debootstrap install except with hamm? |
| 13:01.26 | muh2000 | the interessting thing is my log says something about tftp but files cant be provided |
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| 13:02.35 | muh2000 | inetd: /usr/sbin/in.tftpd: exit status 0x1 tftp/udp server failing (looping), service terminated |
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| 13:03.50 | muh2000 | all the time something is stored somewhere else and is handled diffrent... that sucks... :( |
| 13:04.36 | kenboo | muh2000 do dpkg -l |grep tftp |
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| 13:04.49 | kenboo | i guess you have another tftp server packet. |
| 13:04.51 | kenboo | package |
| 13:05.13 | muh2000 | ii tftpd 0.17-12 Trivial file transfer protocol server |
| 13:05.36 | kenboo | see...that's not tftpd-hpa |
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| 13:06.17 | muh2000 | kenboo... but it helped me.... (the comand) there is a diffrence between with d and without d ^^ |
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| 13:06.50 | qwertz | Hi, there used to be a ms core fonts package that contained (with others) arial but I can't find this package anymore - anybody knows where it is? |
| 13:07.25 | h3sp4wn | msttcorefonts |
| 13:07.35 | h3sp4wn | contrib |
| 13:07.56 | kenboo | muh2000 i prefer tftpd-hpa |
| 13:08.11 | muh2000 | kenboo without d is a client ;) |
| 13:08.29 | kenboo | ya...and so? |
| 13:08.36 | h3sp4wn | I use tftpd-hpa also works fine |
| 13:08.39 | kenboo | uh, are you looking for a client? |
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| 13:09.06 | kenboo | well, i joined the channel in the middle of your conversation...sorry |
| 13:09.08 | muh2000 | kenboo no.... and when there is only a client... a client cant provide stuff... |
| 13:11.02 | kenboo | ok. |
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| 13:11.03 | muh2000 | hmmmmm but the server doesnt work. or i have configured something wrong |
| 13:11.36 | muh2000 | no it works :) |
| 13:12.11 | kenboo | great! |
| 13:12.44 | qwertz | h3sp4wn, thanks, didn't had contrib in my apt list |
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| 13:14.23 | muh2000 | now i have to set up my nfs server... |
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| 13:18.46 | muh2000 | kernel: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out |
| 13:18.57 | muh2000 | kernel: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5) |
| 13:19.01 | kenboo | install portmap package |
| 13:19.18 | muh2000 | kenboo is installed |
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| 13:20.58 | Miles_Pr0wer | ever had an intel E1000 on a MSI motherboard suddenly turn into 'Microstar International unknown device' between reboots? Solutions? It shows up as the Microstar Int. Unknown Device (type ethernet adapter) in lspic |
| 13:21.01 | Miles_Pr0wer | *lspci |
| 13:21.09 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: update-pciids |
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| 13:22.11 | mick_home | anyone here running xplanet? |
| 13:22.12 | Miles_Pr0wer | and then reboot, re-enabling it in BIOS? I disabled and put a PCI in temp to allow me to get on. (machine is our router) |
| 13:22.25 | mick_home | i just installed, and i'm still waiting for it to load |
| 13:22.40 | mick_home | anyone else have that problem? |
| 13:22.41 | mick_home | or does it typically just take that long? |
| 13:22.57 | Miles_Pr0wer | abrotman, ? |
| 13:23.11 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: run it .. shouldn't be unknown anymore |
| 13:23.33 | asg | mick_home: installed what? waiting for what to load? where? what errors are you seeing? |
| 13:23.52 | mick_home | asg: scroll up? |
| 13:24.13 | mick_home | xplanet, no errors, just takes forever to load, i'm using etch |
| 13:24.26 | asg | mick_home: does it ever finish loading? |
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| 13:24.30 | Miles_Pr0wer | abrotman, What do you mean by 'run it' <-- |
| 13:24.33 | mick_home | not sure yet :) |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 13:24.39 | asg | apparently not |
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| 13:24.56 | asg | mick_home: might be worth checking the bts and also running strace on it to see if anything odd shows up. |
| 13:24.58 | mick_home | no errors from the console either |
| 13:24.59 | Miles_Pr0wer | abrotman, I did. and now i should go reboot, re-enabling it in BIOS? |
| 13:25.08 | mick_home | asg: will do |
| 13:25.09 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: hopefully it will at least be known |
| 13:25.20 | Miles_Pr0wer | abrotman, yes/no? |
| 13:25.38 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: that's up to you .. i'm not sure that will solve your problem .. but should give you more info |
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| 13:25.45 | Miles_Pr0wer | K |
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| 13:26.07 | mick_home | ah it just doesn't change my bg |
| 13:26.12 | ongeboren | when is firefox2 comming to debian ? Never ? |
| 13:26.15 | mick_home | is there a UI for xplanet? |
| 13:26.25 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: that doesn't explain why it worked . then didn't |
| 13:26.30 | mick_home | ongeboren: iceweasel |
| 13:26.37 | abrotman | ongeboren: firefox is in debian |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | !info firefox |
| 13:26.55 | bintut | anyone here uses debmirror? |
| 13:26.56 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7799 kB, Installed size: 23716 kB |
| 13:27.16 | mick_home | abrotman: he asked about FF2 |
| 13:27.31 | mick_home | 1.5.0.7-2 (sid) <--- not FF2 |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 13:27.46 | abrotman | who cares |
| 13:27.54 | abrotman | use a sensible browser |
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| 13:28.01 | h3sp4wn | beta 2 is in experimental |
| 13:28.02 | mick_home | just grab the binaries from mozilla.com ;) |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | oh yeah .. great idea |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | </sarcasm> |
| 13:28.32 | ongeboren | well, abrotman, obviously i do |
| 13:28.33 | h3sp4wn | the binaries from mozilla.com look rubbish (compiled with gtk1) |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | ongeboren: why? |
| 13:28.44 | mick_home | yes it is -- better than using apt w/ it |
| 13:29.02 | abrotman | mick_home: perhaps you shouldn't be using debian ? |
| 13:29.21 | mick_home | some things i prefer to use svn - why you say that abrotman ? |
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| 13:29.26 | bintut | anyone here uses debmirror? |
| 13:29.38 | ongeboren | abrotman, well, it's almost year 2007.. you might try to ask me why i prefer GUI against console aswell.. |
| 13:29.48 | abrotman | bintut: ask a better question |
| 13:29.59 | CharminTheMoose | !anyone |
| 13:29.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:29.59 | abrotman | ongeboren: what features does FF2 have that you just can't wait for ? |
| 13:30.10 | phanter | I just checked the man pages, but I could not find how to add a user with the only restriction that it cannot use ssh for a remote login. How can I do this? |
| 13:30.10 | mick_home | a bunch of things :) |
| 13:30.26 | h3sp4wn | the swiftfox ones use gtk2 but don't have freetype2 (the ones in experimental are ok and the fonts look better than 1.5 that is why I use it) |
| 13:30.51 | rabbit7 | hey there.. i was looking for an eaccelerator package for debian but didnt find any |
| 13:30.59 | rabbit7 | can anybody point me to one ? |
| 13:31.11 | hcy | hi, i'm trying to compile a new kernel, following instructions on http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ . I ran "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" and got this error: "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.18.2" Please correct this." What did I do wrong and how do I fix it? |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | phanter: what other access does he need ? |
| 13:31.14 | ongeboren | abrotman, remembering the open windows, so i don't have to remember what i digged from google when coding this and that, when i travel and i need to shut down my laptop ot just to reboot in windows for something i can't do in linux ? how about that.. |
| 13:31.19 | mick_home | rabbit7: wasn't that named something else before? |
| 13:31.30 | abrotman | ongeboren: one feature? |
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| 13:31.34 | bintut | abrotman: i'm running debmirror although i explicitly add an option "-a amd64", it still downloads kernels for other archs.. |
| 13:31.36 | mick_home | rabbit7: may want to look in another repository or check the old name |
| 13:31.38 | phanter | abrotman: well, I use vsftpd and so it should be able to log in for this |
| 13:31.50 | ongeboren | abrotman, lol |
| 13:32.09 | bintut | abrotman: now, i want to add an option: "--exclude=<regex>" but i don't know what's the right syntax for the regex part.. |
| 13:32.09 | rabbit7 | mick_home: im trying to find another repository, but cant find any :( |
| 13:32.17 | ongeboren | ok, i see we will not agree on that one |
| 13:32.20 | abrotman | ongeboren: your options include .. wait, get it from experimental, scour the web for packages, use the mozilla.com crap which will probably screw up any future dpkg installations of firefox |
| 13:32.24 | abrotman | or iceweasel |
| 13:32.32 | mick_home | rabbit7: i mean, check sarge/etch/sid |
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| 13:33.01 | ongeboren | abrotman, what is this iceweasel crap? http://rafb.net/paste/results/B89osm91.html all i get is this |
| 13:33.06 | alberto | Hi. I am using debian etch, and kmix keybindings are not working for me, is there a known bug? |
| 13:33.08 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 13:33.09 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
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| 13:33.25 | abrotman | bintut: so tell us what you'd like to exclude |
| 13:33.44 | mick_home | anyone know of a UI for xplanet? |
| 13:33.49 | ongeboren | ok, but there isn't a package for this iceweasel.. |
| 13:33.54 | bintut | abrotman: i want to exclude the following: kernel-headers-2.2,kernel-headers-2.4,kernel-image-2.2,kernel-image-2.4,alpha,arm,hppa,hurd-1386,i386,ia64,m68k,mips,mipsel,powerpc,s390,sparc |
| 13:34.01 | ongeboren | what good is it for me, as it's just like FF2 ? |
| 13:34.09 | mick_home | strace shows that it is running (just doesn't change the bg) -- probably due to the buggy kde that i have |
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| 13:34.22 | dvs | !info iceweasel |
| 13:34.23 | abrotman | phanter: you can do this a few ways .. like putting 'logout' in their profile .. or giving them an invalid shell (but you'll have to add it to /etc/shells for vsftpd) |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | bintut: jeez .. is that all ? |
| 13:34.46 | mick_home | ongeboren: it is debianized firefox (due to trademark stuff) |
| 13:34.49 | bintut | abrotman: plus all the files that were downloaded in *.tar.gz, *.gz*, *tar*, *.tgz |
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| 13:35.19 | hcy | did anyone read my question above? any answers, please? |
| 13:35.21 | abrotman | ongeboren: mozilla and debian can't cooperate .. so there will now be iceweasel |
| 13:35.27 | ongeboren | mick_home, i know what it is, i read about it on firefox.. but without a .deb package for it it's no better than the current FF2 |
| 13:35.35 | h3sp4wn | ongeboren: The only way I know to get a fully functional firefox2 (non beta) on debian at this moment would to build it yourself - look in the existing package for what options it is compiled with (prefix it to /opt) |
| 13:35.50 | ongeboren | i read about it on slashdot i mean.. |
| 13:35.57 | mick_home | ongeboren: that is why i pointed you to mozilla.com :-P |
| 13:36.06 | alberto | Hi. I am using debian etch, and kmix keybindings are not working for me, is there a known bug? |
| 13:36.11 | h3sp4wn | ongeboren: The mozilla.com builds are crap (no freetype or gtk2 support) |
| 13:36.23 | abrotman | ongeboren: using iceweasel was included in the 'wait' option |
| 13:36.48 | bintut | abrotman: i just want to have a personal mirror for the amd64 arch for etch distribution on main, contrib and non-free only.. |
| 13:37.04 | abrotman | bintut: you want the whole thing local? |
| 13:37.08 | ongeboren | humm and what about experimental ? i remember doing a mix between debian stable and for some packages debian unstable, but i don't remember how i did it.. is it still possible to combine it? |
| 13:37.17 | Dewi | abrotman: will iceweasel 2.0 be in time for etch? |
| 13:37.19 | adamt | ongeboren: pinning |
| 13:37.21 | bintut | abrotman: i want to mirror only .deb packages |
| 13:37.22 | cockroach | ongeboren: i created a very inofficial firefox 2.0 deb - http://www.desire.ch/debian-firefox/ |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | Dewi: NFC .. |
| 13:37.34 | Dewi | abrotman: it doesn't seem to have a package at all yet... |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | cockroach: for which version of debian ? |
| 13:37.51 | bintut | abrotman: for etch amd64 arch of main, contrib and non-free - yes |
| 13:38.01 | cockroach | abrotman: all of them. i just repacked the upstream build... |
| 13:38.12 | abrotman | bintut: so what's the command ? |
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| 13:38.29 | bintut | abrotman: i was asking about debmirror |
| 13:38.34 | utab_ | hi guys |
| 13:38.35 | bintut | the regex part |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | bintut: the command you use :) |
| 13:38.52 | bintut | abrotman: the right syntax for the regex part of the --exclude option |
| 13:39.08 | utab_ | I have a problem with my network printer, when I send a document, it takes so long to be printed, why? |
| 13:39.16 | Dewi | abrotman: do you happen to have any links handy on why debian and mozilla can't just get along? :P |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 13:39.23 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 13:39.36 | Dewi | abrotman: okay.... don't stare at me like that. |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | Dewi: the last two should be helpful |
| 13:39.49 | Dewi | abrotman: I don't know why, but I just don't expect the bot to know everything :) |
| 13:39.55 | abrotman | Dewi: part of it is trademark .. part of it is patches |
| 13:40.08 | Dewi | abrotman: It seems to be the fatal combination of trademark + patches |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | Dewi: the IP problem is with the logo |
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| 13:40.52 | Dewi | abrotman: but they wouldn't have a problem with us using the logo if it wasn't for them sneering at our patches, right? |
| 13:40.55 | Dewi | anyway |
| 13:41.19 | zaphands | Hello! How do I purge all the "c" lines in aptitude? I mean the uninstalled but not purged packages? |
| 13:41.25 | phanter | abrotman: thanks, your solution with logout works good enough |
| 13:41.28 | bintut | abrotman: /usr/bin/debmirror --nosource --postcleanup -p -h ftp.tw.debian.org -e rsync -r :debian -d etch -s main,contrib,non-free -a amd64 --exclude-deb-section=games,hamradio,electronics,news --ignore-missing-release --ignore-release-gpg --ignore-small-errors /mnt/repository/debian |
| 13:41.29 | phanter | :) |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | Dewi: maybe .. the whole thing is weird .. |
| 13:41.38 | infernix | its a really silly issue Dewi |
| 13:42.02 | abrotman | bintut: holy crap .. there's gotta be a better way :) |
| 13:42.06 | infernix | its very bureaucratic imho |
| 13:42.16 | Dewi | it just makes me sad to see a project like firefox - working so hard to gain legitimacy against a terrible foe - have to be forked like that |
| 13:42.33 | bintut | abrotman: what's the better way, iyho? |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | i suppose the blame can be shared |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | bintut: i don't know .. but there has to be an easier way! |
| 13:42.53 | ongeboren | adamt, pinning.. thanks |
| 13:42.57 | bintut | abrotman: this is the first time i used debmirror so i'm asking you guys who are experienced enough with this tool.. |
| 13:43.10 | Dewi | bintut: we're not all experienced with every tool, sadly |
| 13:43.10 | zaphands | does anyone know how to purge all the uninstalled packages? |
| 13:43.34 | Dewi | zaphands: do you mean the .deb files? |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | bintut: maybe apt-mirror would be easier ? |
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| 13:43.57 | nixcs | d |
| 13:44.07 | zaphands | Dewi: no. I mean removing the configuration files. |
| 13:44.14 | Dewi | zaphands: oh. I'm not sure you can |
| 13:44.19 | utab_ | Printing on my network printer takes so long, what can be the reason |
| 13:44.20 | h3sp4wn | zaphands: aptitude purge \~c |
| 13:44.31 | Dewi | h3sp4wn: what's \~c ? |
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| 13:44.56 | bintut | Dewi: i expect that but i believe there are experienced admins here who uses debmirror |
| 13:45.10 | abrotman | bintut: i'm only saying that because the regex you'd need would be very large |
| 13:45.11 | adamt | ongeboren: you're welcome. |
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| 13:45.40 | h3sp4wn | Dewi: left over configuration files - I guess you didn't read the aptitude manual |
| 13:45.53 | abrotman | zaphands: man dpkg .. look for purge |
| 13:46.06 | bintut | abrotman: i've been researching google for the best tool for partial mirroring debian and majority of it says debmirror is the best tool.. |
| 13:46.06 | zaphands | thanks everyone. |
| 13:46.12 | abrotman | bintut: okay |
| 13:46.59 | h3sp4wn | aptitude search \~c (to see what they are) then aptitude purge \~c (to purge them) very simple |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | bintut: i ran your command .. seems to only get amd64 to me |
| 13:47.37 | Dewi | h3sp4wn: well, my aptitude manual doesn't contain 'tilde-cee' |
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| 13:47.57 | abrotman | bintut: or does it take a while to get to the other archtecture ? |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | erm .. architectures |
| 13:48.57 | zaphands | is it possible to compile and install modules on a chrooted env? |
| 13:49.19 | bintut | abrotman: kindly check your pool/main/k/kernel* |
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| 13:49.37 | abrotman | bintut: i just started .. could take a while to get there :) |
| 13:49.48 | bintut | abrotman: probably, when you get to the kernel part |
| 13:49.55 | h3sp4wn | Dewi: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html (same as in aptitude-doc-en) |
| 13:49.59 | abrotman | bintut: is my ISP going to hate me ? |
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| 13:50.12 | h3sp4wn | Dewi: Matches packages which have been removed, but whose configuration files remain on the system (ie, they were removed but not purged). (~c) |
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| 13:50.32 | bintut | abrotman: yeah.. maybe, i should just need to know the right syntax for the regex part of the --exclude option so that i can explicitly exclude them.. |
| 13:50.35 | abrotman | bintut: okay . i've got 4GB free or so |
| 13:50.47 | Dewi | h3sp4wn: oh... this is some doc in /usr/share/doc then? |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | bintut: i'm telling you .. that regex will be ginormous |
| 13:51.10 | bintut | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | bintut: it would be a very very long string |
| 13:51.45 | h3sp4wn | Dewi: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en (presuming aptitude-doc-en is installed) its the same as on that website |
| 13:51.58 | bintut | abrotman: i have here an external 40gb 2.5" hdd as my dedicated debian repository.. |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | bintut: let me try to get just the kernel section of the pool |
| 13:52.00 | mick_home | how is kde on sid? i'm using etch atm and i'd love to get my control panel to actually work. i just don't want top go to something more buggy :) |
| 13:52.12 | abrotman | did you ask #debian-kde ? |
| 13:52.19 | mick_home | abrotman: yes |
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| 13:52.25 | mick_home | on 3 occasions |
| 13:52.29 | mick_home | i gave up ;) |
| 13:52.43 | abrotman | no answer ? nothing in BTS ? |
| 13:52.49 | mick_home | that reminds me that i need to submit that one to the bts |
| 13:53.00 | mick_home | exactly (on both accounts) |
| 13:53.01 | bintut | abrotman: kindly add the following: kernel-headers-2.2,kernel-headers-2.4,kernel-image-2.2,kernel-image-2.4,alpha,arm,hppa,hurd-1386,i386,ia64,m68k,mips,mipsel,powerpc,s390,sparc,*.tar.gz,*.tgz,*.gz,*.bz2 |
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| 13:53.27 | bintut | abrotman: i want to exclude them for now.. |
| 13:53.46 | abrotman | to a regex ? |
| 13:53.49 | mick_home | abrotman: only one thing was similar - it was fixed though (so it says) -- but i still have the same problem |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | mick_home: might not have trickled down yet |
| 13:54.03 | bintut | abrotman: please note that the comma (,) is separation |
| 13:54.25 | abrotman | bintut: seriously .. your regex would be almost as long as that line |
| 13:54.26 | gouki | Has anyone had the chance of playing with partman-crypto on the new d-i? |
| 13:54.30 | mick_home | abrotman: don't think so. it was supposedly fixed in an older version |
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| 13:54.43 | bintut | abrotman: maybe.. that's why i just want to know the right syntax of the regex part as written in the manpage.. |
| 13:54.44 | abrotman | mick_home: ask the maintainer ? |
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| 13:55.16 | mick_home | not yet, taht was what i was planning on doing |
| 13:55.24 | bintut | abrotman: it doesn't matter how long that line would that be as long as i can exclude them because i won't use them at all.. |
| 13:55.29 | abrotman | bintut: this tool sucks :) |
| 13:55.41 | CharminT1eMoose | i have a problem:How can i transfer my current system to another computer?what options are available for me?my entire system is about 3.1GB large |
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| 13:56.00 | abrotman | bintut: paste the contents of that dir on your mirror to a pastebin |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 13:56.03 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 13:56.04 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:56.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 13:56.31 | mick_home | CharminT1eMoose: you have a few, ghost, dd (if the drive size is the same), and tar (i know how to do it w/ lilo - don't know how to w/ grub) |
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| 13:57.08 | mick_home | CharminT1eMoose: running out of space on your drive? ;) |
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| 13:57.38 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 13:57.46 | CharminT1eMoose | mick_home,no it's just that i'm getting new computer and i want to transfer my current debian system to that computer |
| 13:57.53 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18381 packages, 1701 maintainers, 39803 MB installed size, 13058 MB compressed size. |
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| 13:58.55 | abrotman | bintut: btw .. you can use the --exclude multiple times |
| 13:58.56 | mick_home | CharminT1eMoose: if it was me, i'd create a package list and then pipe that to a file, then i'd do a new base install on the other (then apt-get install `cat mypackages.txt`) - then just scp the home directory over (if it is your desktop) |
| 13:59.14 | mick_home | CharminT1eMoose: usually i've found the other methods a bit... yuck :) |
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| 13:59.27 | |XO| | ok this is wierd.... |
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| 13:59.39 | |XO| | my filesystem becme read only by itself... |
| 13:59.46 | abrotman | not by itself |
| 13:59.49 | peterrus | CharminT1eMoose, make a ghost of the partition with ghost for linux. or copy your whole root to a dvd for example and replace that with a livecd on your new disk. and reinstall the bootloader. just a suggestion |
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| 13:59.52 | mick_home | CharminT1eMoose: or just stick in the drive later and cp them over to the new drive ;) |
| 13:59.58 | |XO| | abrotman then? |
| 14:00.01 | peterrus | indeed |
| 14:00.14 | |XO| | how do i fix it...what went wrong? |
| 14:00.15 | abrotman | check the log .. was there a FS problem when you booted ? |
| 14:00.27 | |XO| | no it has not been rebooted |
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| 14:00.41 | abrotman | then there shold definitely be an errror |
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| 14:01.54 | bintut | abrotman: i'm setting up my apache.. for a while.. |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | apache? |
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| 14:03.27 | |XO| | Nov 19 08:52:33 mailbox kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sda8): ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #22085754: rec_len %% 4 != 0 - offset=3068, inode=22076252, rec_len=1729, name_len=23 |
| 14:03.33 | |XO| | does that make sense? |
| 14:04.23 | |XO| | abrotman ?? |
| 14:04.27 | |XO| | should i reboot? |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | force an fsck on all your FSes on thte next reboot |
| 14:06.16 | bintut | abrotman: where you able to receive my pmsg to you? i gave you the URL where you can find my own mirror.. i set up my apache access my repository from your place instead of pasting it somewhere.. |
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| 14:06.41 | abrotman | bintut: yep yep |
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| 14:07.25 | abrotman | bintut: did you look in the 'l' folder ? |
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| 14:08.11 | bintut | abrotman: yes.. |
| 14:08.33 | |XO| | abrotman can i run fsck without rebooting? |
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| 14:08.36 | bintut | abrotman: the "l" folder has kernels for other archs, too.. |
| 14:08.45 | abrotman | |XO|: i wouldn't |
| 14:08.51 | |XO| | should i run fsck or e2fsck |
| 14:09.20 | |XO| | abrotman the domputer is in a remote facility and i cant go there.... |
| 14:09.38 | abrotman | |XO|: you shouldn't fsck a mounted partition |
| 14:09.49 | |XO| | abrotman what if i unmount it |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | bintut: i think you're okay .. they seem to be architecture independent files |
| 14:10.00 | |XO| | the file system only has user data |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | only ... |
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| 14:10.46 | bintut | abrotman: what about excluding *.tar.gz files? |
| 14:10.59 | abrotman | bintut: while i think it's weird .. it's probably done this correctly |
| 14:11.00 | bintut | abrotman: or, excluding all files that are not .deb in format? |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | bintut: you don't want to do that .. that might exclude Packages.gz |
| 14:11.29 | bintut | abrotman: that's what i expect.. |
| 14:11.40 | abrotman | you need Packages.gz |
| 14:11.53 | bintut | abrotman: you're right.. maybe, excluding *.tar.gz and *.bz2 only? |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | --exclude="tar.\gz" may work .. |
| 14:12.57 | abrotman | based on your earlier list .. i thought it was something else entirely |
| 14:13.14 | h3sp4wn | or regenerate Packages.gz again with - dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz |
| 14:13.14 | abrotman | uhm .. the \ is misplaced :) |
| 14:13.29 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i'm not sure that's how it gets the package list |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | bintut: admittedly .. you're using rsync .. i doubt those files will change often |
| 14:15.21 | bintut | abrotman: what do you suggest? using ftp instead? |
| 14:15.28 | abrotman | no .. rsync is fine |
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| 14:18.28 | |XO| | is it possible to run fsck on system reboot automatically? |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:19.24 | asg | |XO|: touch /forcefsck ; reboot (and/or man shutdown) |
| 14:19.25 | abrotman | which partition got mounted ro ? |
| 14:19.39 | abrotman | asg: don't you have to touch /home/forcefsck if it's /home/ ? |
| 14:20.02 | |XO| | yea my home partition did actually |
| 14:20.11 | asg | abrotman: only /etc/init.d/* can tell. |
| 14:20.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:21.19 | |XO| | so which one should i do? /forcefsck or /home/forcefsck....what happens if there are errors are they automatically fixed? |
| 14:21.48 | infernix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.01 | abrotman | bintut: worked okay? |
| 14:22.03 | infernix | yes, if they are automatically fixable |
| 14:22.05 | abrotman | |XO|: do both |
| 14:22.24 | infernix | grave errrors are never automatically fixed |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | it will fix errors if it can .. not all are automagically fixable |
| 14:22.42 | abrotman | so you may want to aleart the hosting company you might need someone there |
| 14:22.58 | infernix | a console buddy or a kvm switch. either should work |
| 14:23.34 | |XO| | unmounting is taking a very long time! |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | why are you unmounting ? |
| 14:23.53 | |XO| | because its my home directory... |
| 14:23.57 | bintut | abrotman: not yet.. |
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| 14:24.05 | |XO| | i thought i can just unmount it and run fsck it would be easier |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | bintut: you won't know for a while ? |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | |XO|: you're logged in .. using your /home/ |
| 14:24.25 | jelly-home | |XO|: you'll need to kill all the processes that are accessing /home. |
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| 14:24.35 | abrotman | which probably includes your login |
| 14:24.40 | robin_sz | heh |
| 14:24.41 | jelly-home | right |
| 14:24.54 | robin_sz | loggin in as root can help ... |
| 14:24.56 | asg | that's why sane people always drop to single user mode |
| 14:25.02 | robin_sz | right |
| 14:25.07 | blx | anyone know when gtkmm-2.4 2.10.1 will be in unstable? |
| 14:25.15 | asg | blx: incoming.debian.org |
| 14:25.23 | blx | asg. thank you |
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| 14:25.27 | bintut | abrotman: i restarted debmirror and i'll see what will happen.. |
| 14:25.27 | jelly-home | asg: it's a remote machine |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | !info gtkmm-2.4 sid |
| 14:25.31 | asg | blx: if it's there, it'll be in sid in 2 days or so. If not *shrug* |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | bintut: okay |
| 14:25.46 | earthian | can somebody help me configure bind? |
| 14:25.46 | asg | jelly-home: sane people always have out-of-band management of the console ;) |
| 14:25.54 | robin_sz | jelly-home, here is where you discover how useful a terminal server is |
| 14:26.09 | earthian | i have a problem with dpkg-reconfigure which i will paste in #flood if you ask |
| 14:26.21 | infernix | earthian: put it on a pastebin |
| 14:26.22 | jelly-home | asg: not all sane people have the bucks for lights out management ;-) |
| 14:26.23 | asg | earthian: or use pastebin |
| 14:26.30 | abrotman | !info libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a sid |
| 14:26.31 | earthian | !paste |
| 14:26.31 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 14:26.35 | dpkg | libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a: (C++ wrappers for GTK+ 2.4 (shared libraries)), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:2.8.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 917 kB, Installed size: 3428 kB |
| 14:26.51 | asg | jelly-home: bah, if they have enough cash to colloc a full server, they can buy a cheap mrv appliance. |
| 14:26.53 | |XO| | shit this sucks... |
| 14:27.07 | robin_sz | jelly-home, no, everyone has the bucks for that, its only really rich people that can afford not to have it and send tech support staff or drive to the colo |
| 14:27.50 | earthian | infernix, asg : http://channels.debian.net/paste/4541 |
| 14:28.03 | |XO| | is there a way to login through ssh without using home? |
| 14:28.11 | jelly-home | |XO|: login as root. |
| 14:28.13 | bintut | abrotman: i'm watching my df and it's decreasing now using the command: |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | bintut: okay |
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| 14:28.28 | bintut | $ sudo debmirror --nosource --cleanup -p -h ftp.tw.debian.org -e rsync -r :debian -d etch -s main,contrib,non-free -a amd64 --exclude-deb-section=games,hamradio,electronics,news --exclude=kernel-headers-2.2,kernel-headers-2.4,kernel-image-2.2,kernel-image-2.4,alpha,arm,hppa,hurd-1386,i386,ia64,m68k,mips,mipsel,powerpc,s390,sparc --ignore-missing-release --ignore-release-gpg --ignore-small-errors /mnt/repository/debian |
| 14:28.31 | |XO| | jelly-home i cant login as root...i disabled root login... |
| 14:28.39 | bintut | abrotman: i just tried it maybe should work.. |
| 14:28.40 | jelly-home | |XO|: reenable it? :-) |
| 14:28.47 | asg | earthian: that may be spurious. After you've fully stopped and started bind, does 'rndc reload' work or generate the same error? |
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| 14:29.01 | abrotman | bintut: that's not a regex .. but okay |
| 14:29.23 | vins | hi, can I remove safetly modutils pkg in my debian sarge (with old bf24 kernel cause I've installed starting from woody)? |
| 14:29.28 | jelly-home | |XO|: whatever you do, _don't_ log off one session before you've connected with the new one. ;-) |
| 14:29.33 | |XO| | jelly-home i cant reenable it either...because i cant get back in the machine using my normal user since i umount /home |
| 14:29.42 | bintut | abrotman: it removes almost half of its contents.. |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:29.48 | earthian | asg, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4542 |
| 14:29.50 | infernix | earthian: purge it and reinstall it, that should regenerate the key |
| 14:29.52 | robin_sz | |XO|, does your colo place have support staff on a Sunday? |
| 14:29.57 | earthian | ok |
| 14:29.57 | jelly-home | |XO|: so you're not logged in any more? |
| 14:30.00 | bintut | my df command says: /dev/sda1 ext3 38G 19G 19G 50% /mnt/repository |
| 14:30.05 | infernix | earthian: make a copy of your config files, if you changed em |
| 14:30.09 | asg | earthian: was that caused by /etc/init.d/bind stop? |
| 14:30.18 | earthian | i do not know |
| 14:30.29 | earthian | it was from a fresh install... never used it before :o |
| 14:30.32 | |XO| | jelly-home i think i am still logged in... |
| 14:30.45 | |XO| | i have one terminal but its not responding after i umount /home |
| 14:30.51 | asg | earthian: well, manually kill all named processes and then try starting bind. |
| 14:31.04 | earthian | when i start named it works... |
| 14:31.09 | robin_sz | |XO|, do you have a car? |
| 14:31.17 | asg | earthian: and if you do rndc reload now? |
| 14:31.17 | earthian | something wrong with a key.. i will purge and reinstall it |
| 14:31.18 | |XO| | :( |
| 14:31.30 | jelly-home | |XO|: maybe you could suspend the umount command and get back the prompt, but I doubt. |
| 14:31.35 | Dewi | abrotman: do things like fixes for serious (non-security-related) bugs ever get pushed to stable? |
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| 14:31.48 | asg | earthian: also, check /usr/share/doc/bind* to make sure there isn't any post-inst manual stuff that needs to be done. |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | Dewi: for some bugs ... yes |
| 14:31.56 | earthian | asg, |
| 14:31.57 | earthian | wrote key file "/etc/bind/rndc.key" |
| 14:31.57 | earthian | Starting domain name service...: bind failed! |
| 14:32.00 | abrotman | Dewi: joeyh makes a list iirc |
| 14:32.07 | earthian | thats when installing again |
| 14:32.18 | Dewi | abrotman: I'm just asking out of curiosity... it doesn't seem to happen often at all |
| 14:32.20 | dieb | xinud: are you still there? |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060901 |
| 14:32.28 | Dewi | abrotman: but then I don't pay that much attention |
| 14:32.35 | |XO| | robin_sz, jelly-home can you just tell me what commands i should run at reboot...how di get into single user mode..etc.. |
| 14:33.02 | robin_sz | type "linux single" at the boot prompt |
| 14:33.02 | asg | earthian: okay, make sure all named processes are killed (pgrep will tell you). Then 'apt-get remove --purge <pkg>'. Then 'apt-get install package'. |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | you sohuld have just done the touch /forcefsck && touch /home/forcefsck && reboot .. and prayed :) |
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| 14:33.23 | earthian | asg, infernix the reinstall with purge did changed the default directory and regenerated the key however the probel with rndc is till here :/ |
| 14:33.24 | earthian | ll |
| 14:33.24 | robin_sz | |XO|, actually, no ... it will try and repair itself, if it cant it will drop you to single user anyway |
| 14:33.25 | earthian | ok |
| 14:33.27 | earthian | trying again |
| 14:33.35 | Dewi | abrotman: whoa... sarge has quite a few security fixes under its belt now |
| 14:33.40 | Dewi | abrotman: man debain is big :P |
| 14:33.45 | robin_sz | |XO|, then just fsck /dev/hd<whatever> |
| 14:33.48 | infernix | !debain |
| 14:33.49 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 14:34.17 | infernix | :D |
| 14:34.21 | robin_sz | debbie founded debian? |
| 14:34.28 | earthian | asg, it works now :) |
| 14:34.37 | jelly-home | robin_sz: Debbie did Ian |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | Dewi: that's just for 3.1r3 |
| 14:34.50 | asg | earthian: cool |
| 14:34.52 | earthian | hm.. i had gbindadmin package before which i did not installed now. could it be the problem? |
| 14:34.55 | robin_sz | jelly-home, in Dallas? |
| 14:35.03 | infernix | earthian: doubt it |
| 14:35.29 | Dewi | abrotman: is that 3rd release after sarge stable day, or 2nd? |
| 14:35.31 | infernix | ive had bind key issues before. purging does the trick usually. never really bothered to dig into it |
| 14:35.33 | robin_sz | jelly-home, weirdly enough, I know the guy who has the distribution rights on that ... |
| 14:35.57 | Dewi | abrotman: (ugh... I'm really asking if sarge was r0 or r1) |
| 14:36.00 | abrotman | Dewi: starts with 3.1r0 .. and increasing the r level as it goes |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | sarge actually had a 3.1r0a though |
| 14:36.29 | Dewi | a last minute tweak? |
| 14:36.33 | jelly-home | robin_sz: I'll be sure to contact you in case I ever get into distributing-old-porn business then! |
| 14:36.40 | Dewi | yeah I was never sure why it had such a complex version number :P |
| 14:36.44 | abrotman | more like .. fixing a large "doh .. wtf were we thinking" |
| 14:37.19 | abrotman | iirc .. the 3.1r0 netinst pointed at testing instead of stable or sarge |
| 14:37.20 | Dewi | abrotman: hmm. Now I'm curious |
| 14:37.26 | Dewi | abrotman: oh, nice |
| 14:37.30 | abrotman | not nice! |
| 14:37.43 | Dewi | abrotman: handy for me (I've only once installed a non-testing sarge) :) |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:38.27 | mick_home | anyone know if tsocks gets patched when you install tor? |
| 14:39.02 | abrotman | there's a #tor on OFTC |
| 14:39.07 | Dewi | abrotman: I understand the iceweasel thing pretty well now. It all makes sense, the fork has to happen, but... what makes me uncertain is that aren't debian's trademarks equally incompatible with the DFSG guidelines? |
| 14:39.12 | mick_home | abrotman: i know |
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| 14:39.24 | mick_home | abrotman: this is a debian related question though ;) |
| 14:39.27 | Dewi | infernix: sup? |
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| 14:39.41 | abrotman | mick_home: yes .. but the DD that packages it is there i believe |
| 14:39.53 | mick_home | weasel? ok - let me check |
| 14:39.59 | mick_home | thanks |
| 14:40.21 | abrotman | mick_home: though .. i wouldn't harrass him |
| 14:40.25 | mick_home | abrotman: does he go by the same nick as he does on debian? |
| 14:40.27 | infernix | i took a HD to a server, hooked it up, made an ext3fs and mirrored a file archive on it with rsync. now I hooked it up at home and i'm rsyncing over the wire. somehow, if I dont use -c for checksum, it'll blatantly start mirroring everything again. and i used the -a(rchive) flag so i just dont get itl. |
| 14:40.30 | living | hi, i was planning to build a linux box to keep daily backups of a the contents of a netware server. is there any way to keep the netware file attributes? |
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| 14:40.37 | abrotman | mick_home: dunno .. but lik ei said .. i wouldn't ask him directly |
| 14:40.41 | Dewi | abrotman: I mean, everything debian is doing to 'protect' itself from mozilla's copyrights/trademarks would have to be done by debian to... er... protect itself from its own trademarks! |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | mick_home: there's also a package changelog |
| 14:40.59 | mick_home | abrotman: gee, that was going to be my plan - harrass a man on his only day off :-P |
| 14:41.05 | abrotman | Dewi: the debian logo isn't totally free |
| 14:41.18 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/logos/ |
| 14:41.19 | mick_home | heh, watch them send me to #debian |
| 14:41.24 | Dewi | abrotman: even if it was, you can't just fork debian and call it "debian" |
| 14:41.43 | Dewi | abrotman: because of trademarks |
| 14:41.45 | mick_home | lesbian is ok though :D |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | Dewi: yeah .. pretty much |
| 14:41.58 | Dewi | abrotman: but everything we do as a distro is taking other stuff, and forking it, and keeping the name! |
| 14:42.12 | abrotman | Dewi: but all distros do that |
| 14:42.14 | Dewi | abrotman: so it seems a little bit of a double standard |
| 14:42.21 | mick_home | not forking - packaging |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | mick_home: most distros patch software |
| 14:42.33 | mick_home | but you have a point |
| 14:42.42 | Dewi | abrotman: aah, but no other distros have decided we can't possibly include copyrighted logos from firefox |
| 14:42.51 | mick_home | abrotman: you addressed that at the wrong person i believe |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | Dewi: as i said before .. it's pretty strange |
| 14:43.14 | abrotman | mick_home: no .. i didn't |
| 14:43.28 | abrotman | before packaging software .. many distros patch software |
| 14:43.34 | mick_home | i know that most distros do that |
| 14:43.39 | earthian | another issue. i want to set my domain name now to my computer ... i belive i did so by adding A and MX records to the nameservers |
| 14:43.46 | earthian | however i get this: |
| 14:43.47 | earthian | Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for fostral |
| 14:43.47 | earthian | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
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| 14:43.55 | mick_home | but does Redhat call firefox "Redhat Firefox" - no |
| 14:44.00 | earthian | how do i fix that? |
| 14:44.05 | Dewi | abrotman: I just... kind of don't get the point of saying "everything in debian must be free" and "we should try to open the debian logos"... but how can they ever be open? Debian has trademarks... I will never be able to draw a moustache on the debian logo and call it "debain" and dist it |
| 14:44.28 | mick_home | Dewi: what about lesbian? |
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| 14:44.29 | Dewi | abrotman: so it seems crazy to demand that mozilla let us do exactly that |
| 14:44.33 | Dewi | mick_home: lesbian is fine |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | mick_home: RH also vets the patches with moizlla iirc |
| 14:44.34 | mick_home | that uses the debian logo |
| 14:44.35 | Dewi | mick_home: I am sure |
| 14:44.47 | mick_home | but it is more or less a parody of sorts |
| 14:44.48 | Dewi | mick_home: oh this is a real distro? excellent |
| 14:44.57 | mick_home | !lesbian |
| 14:44.57 | dpkg | lesbian is, like, probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 14:45.00 | SNow | does someone have any idea about this one: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?35,40155,40155 after reboot mysql fails to start |
| 14:45.01 | infernix | earthian: consider using /etc/hosts |
| 14:45.04 | asg | earthian: either fix your hostname (/msg dpkg hostname) or add a ServerName pragma in the apache config that defines your real hostname. |
| 14:45.26 | earthian | thanks will try both :) |
| 14:45.49 | abrotman | |XO|: any luck ? |
| 14:45.54 | abrotman | bintut: did it all work for you ? |
| 14:46.11 | SNow | anyone? |
| 14:46.16 | bintut | abrotman: i can't say finally but it seems so.. |
| 14:46.28 | bintut | abrotman: but i don't have any kernels at all.. |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | bintut: weird .. your command wasn't actually a regex .. but oh well |
| 14:46.35 | Dewi | abrotman: incidentally the approach mozilla takes is to have build switches to turn trademarked/copyrighted stuff on and off. It seems to me like that's actually the right way to do it |
| 14:46.43 | mick_home | Dewi: the other thing is that most projects don't have a trademark policy |
| 14:46.44 | bintut | abrotman: yeah.. |
| 14:46.53 | Dewi | abrotman: and debian not doing that means we're actually a bit behind |
| 14:47.04 | bintut | abrotman: i think there's a problem with the --exclude option |
| 14:47.06 | abrotman | Dewi: the easy answer is .. use epiphany :) |
| 14:47.16 | SNow | hmmz |
| 14:47.16 | mick_home | yuck :-/ |
| 14:47.20 | SNow | not much for a help |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | though i actually use opera .. which has no source .. but isn't packaged by debian either |
| 14:47.29 | mick_home | the typical answer though |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | bintut: file a bug! |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | SNow: be patient ... |
| 14:47.54 | Dewi | abrotman: I mean, people say "the copyrighted debian logos are a bug" but really I think the debian logos, if trademarked, will never be free free free anyway. We should just have a switch to get "completely unbranded debian" and leave it at that |
| 14:48.21 | bintut | abrotman: it maybe because that the entries for my --exclude options are not in regex form.. |
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| 14:48.29 | abrotman | bintut: probably |
| 14:48.34 | infernix | SNow: just a wild guess, but perhaps you have bad RAM resulting in data write corruption. or a bad disk. |
| 14:48.55 | |XO| | abrotman i have to goto the datacenter |
| 14:49.01 | Dewi | abrotman: and then... you'd have non-free stuff like firefox logos dropping out on that same switch you use for the core debian branding |
| 14:49.04 | bintut | abrotman: i'll have to try it out later.. i'm sleepy here.. thanks anyway.. :) |
| 14:49.16 | abrotman | |XO|: probably best anyways |
| 14:49.21 | earthian | asg, if i have a domain name e.g. mycomputer.com, what i shold write to hostname <hostname>, to the hosts file and to the hostname file? |
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| 14:49.27 | Dewi | abrotman: so you amend the DFSG guidelines from "no non-free" to "no non-free we can't remove as a switch" |
| 14:49.27 | abrotman | bintut: okay |
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| 14:49.44 | abrotman | Dewi: it was more than that with FF though |
| 14:49.53 | earthian | do i need some subdomain to be used as a domain name? |
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| 14:50.02 | bintut | abrotman: thanks again.. later.. |
| 14:50.05 | earthian | what if i have another computer on my local network? |
| 14:50.23 | earthian | and would like to set it to pc2.mycomputer.com / |
| 14:50.24 | earthian | ? |
| 14:50.25 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah, it was "run patches by mozilla" but really... there's nothing wrong with passing patches upstream |
| 14:50.34 | Daveman | Morning abrotman :) |
| 14:50.36 | Dewi | abrotman: I have to run my debian patches via debian, after all! |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
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| 14:51.05 | Daveman | Hi :) |
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| 14:51.49 | Dewi | abrotman: ie if I really want my patch included in debian and the maintainer says "no", can I fork debian and call it debian and use trademarked debian artwork, and distribute my new distro as debian? nope. |
| 14:52.05 | Dewi | abrotman: it's free but it ain't that free |
| 14:52.08 | asg | earthian: pc1 is a hostname, mycomputer.com is the domainname. hostname+domainname == FQDN (fully qualified domain name) |
| 14:52.11 | abrotman | Dewi: you could host your own repository .. and do it that way |
| 14:52.21 | asg | earthian: that should explain what '/msg dpkg hostname' tells you |
| 14:52.23 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah, but I couldn't call it debian |
| 14:52.26 | living | is there no way to create an nss partition in debian linux? |
| 14:52.28 | earthian | ok now i get it. |
| 14:52.32 | SNow | patient for how long? a week? |
| 14:52.35 | Dewi | abrotman: that would violate trademarks... nothing to do with copyright or licensing |
| 14:52.39 | abrotman | Dewi: you wouldn't .. niether would debian .. neither would #debian :) |
| 14:52.41 | Drizzt321 | I'm using testing and recently did an upgrade to get the latest packages. unfortunately I was fairly out of date so it was a rather large update. but, I'm noticing now that in Firefox, not everything is being rendered correctly on the website I'm at, or even some of the buttons natively in Firefox. Anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing this? |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | Dewi: you call it an apt repository |
| 14:52.50 | SNow | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=276470 |
| 14:53.06 | earthian | asg, can you suggest me to read somewhere how to set up these things? i am pretty new and i dont want to annoy you here :) |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | SNow: are you using ubuntu ? |
| 14:53.11 | SNow | no |
| 14:53.15 | valdyn | Dewi: is the Official Logo ever used inside debian? the spiral is not protected |
| 14:53.21 | asg | !tell earthian about hostname |
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| 14:53.24 | Dewi | abrotman: I guess what I'm saying is... we are refusing to include copyrighted pictures of foxes because that makes debian not instantly forkable. |
| 14:53.33 | abrotman | SNow: i'm pretty sure this was in the BTS |
| 14:53.39 | SNow | BTS ? |
| 14:53.41 | Dewi | abrotman: but debian is not instantly forkable anyway because to fit in with debian trademarks you gotta remove all the debian marks |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:53.45 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:53.53 | SNow | I don't think so |
| 14:53.54 | abrotman | Dewi: i think there non-redistributable |
| 14:54.03 | valdyn | Dewi: read http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | no .. wait .. what was it .. it was stupid |
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| 14:54.43 | mick_home | Dewi: i based my trademark policy on mozilla's (so i know a bit about it) -- you can distribute Mozilla compiled binaries "as is" - if you change things, then you can't |
| 14:55.04 | mick_home | also you can't do the whole "Debian Firefox" thing that either was done or was planned before |
| 14:55.05 | Dewi | abrotman, valdyn : that's interesting; I have never seen the official debian logo ever :P |
| 14:55.22 | mick_home | Dewi: not on thesite? |
| 14:55.47 | Dewi | mick_home: on the site I only see the open use spiral |
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| 14:56.00 | Dewi | mick_home: not the bottle which is "official" and trademark protected according to http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 14:56.08 | infernix | debian. distro in a bottle. |
| 14:56.36 | tonyb2006 | is the plural of box "boxen"? |
| 14:56.40 | infernix | rub it clean and it'll obey your command |
| 14:56.42 | infernix | its boxes |
| 14:56.55 | abrotman | Dewi: i just gave you that URL like five minutes ago |
| 14:57.21 | valdyn | Dewi: the Official Debian Logo cant be part of debian itself, obviously, as i understand it, it can just be use to signal that official debian is used ( on the package or similar ) |
| 14:57.24 | jelly-home | tonyb2006: no, but comp.geeks like to make changes in the language |
| 14:57.34 | Dewi | abrotman: I missed it :P |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | tonyb2006: boxen would be plural ... so is boxes |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | tonyb2006: it's not official from the OED standpoint .. but people will understand .. proper english plural is boxes |
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| 14:58.51 | tonyb2006 | ic |
| 14:59.29 | abrotman | tonyb2006: 'ic' is not proper english either. |
| 14:59.44 | infernix | ur rite |
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| 15:00.03 | dvs | hee iz smart |
| 15:00.24 | Dewi | mick_home: I'm just saying that debian has an official use trademarked logo, and that is fine by me. But if I want to tweak debian for myself, I have to drop the branding. Which is what we're doing with iceweasel. However, the whole reason we are splitting with firefox seems to be that we're trying to keep trademarked/copyrighted material out of debian... but debian has copyright and trademarks so... well... what harm does another small fox real |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | Dewi: you got cut off |
| 15:00.59 | valdyn | Dewi: drop WHAT branding? there's nothing you have to drop anyway |
| 15:01.06 | Dewi | valdyn: sure there is. The name. |
| 15:01.11 | Dewi | valdyn: I'm sure it appears in lots of places |
| 15:01.29 | Dewi | valdyn: I'm pretty sure I can't call my tweaked distro "debian" or even "debain" |
| 15:01.35 | valdyn | Dewi: i dont see where the name is protected |
| 15:01.46 | Dewi | valdyn: I was under the impression it had a trademark |
| 15:02.10 | Dewi | valdyn: and if it isn't, I think it probably should be |
| 15:02.18 | Dewi | valdyn: I don't wanna see knockoff debians springing up |
| 15:02.34 | valdyn | Dewi: even if it is, we'd have to read the license first to see how you can use it |
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| 15:03.03 | Dewi | infernix: up until recently it would have been debian, but with easier access to java. But now we got that! w00t |
| 15:03.08 | Miles_Prower | Will dropping icmp pings at my iptables cause people to be unable to access a webserver on my machine, even if I've accepted port 80 in? |
| 15:03.25 | Dewi | mick_home: nope, icmp is unnecessary for web service provision |
| 15:03.42 | Dewi | oooop |
| 15:03.42 | infernix | Miles_Prower: no, but dont drop all ICMP or you'll be very sorry |
| 15:03.45 | Dewi | Miles_Prower: see above |
| 15:03.46 | h3sp4wn | Miles_Prower: Dropping icmp pings is pretty stupid if you ask me |
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| 15:03.59 | jelly-home | there is no icmp ping |
| 15:04.09 | infernix | technically its echo and reply, iirc |
| 15:04.09 | Dewi | jelly-home: I think he means icmp echo :) |
| 15:04.15 | Miles_Prower | yeah. |
| 15:04.20 | jelly-home | there is only zuul |
| 15:04.25 | Dewi | heh |
| 15:04.37 | Miles_Prower | hmm. I think that the script i was sent does drop them |
| 15:04.45 | Dewi | Miles_Prower: you can "stealth" your web server, yeah, but do you need to? It's security by obscurity really |
| 15:04.58 | Miles_Prower | I've got port 80 and 22 wide open. |
| 15:04.58 | Dewi | Miles_Prower: unless you really are being DOS'd with echoes, but I don't think that happens much these days |
| 15:05.09 | Miles_Prower | So it shouldn't be 'stealthed' |
| 15:05.10 | infernix | you''ll avoid nmap scans without the P0 flag, thats pretty much it |
| 15:05.36 | valdyn | Miles_Prower: it's just an annoyance to be stealthed, does not help security |
| 15:05.59 | mick_home | just turn off server tokens, whatever |
| 15:06.05 | Dewi | Miles_Prower: the main problem is that one day - many many days really - you'll wanna know if your box is still running and you won't be able to ping it |
| 15:06.08 | mick_home | no need to create a big fuss over it |
| 15:06.13 | Miles_Prower | Ok then. |
| 15:06.15 | mick_home | i do disable ICMP myself |
| 15:06.16 | Miles_Prower | moment.. |
| 15:06.29 | mick_home | but that is hell when troubleshooting ;) |
| 15:06.48 | Dewi | It seems like it shouldn't be but somehow it always is |
| 15:07.01 | Dewi | particularly since |
| 15:07.07 | Miles_Prower | take a look at http://tails.kicks-ass.net/gateway.sh |
| 15:07.14 | Dewi | under high load, I *often* see 22 and 80 stop responding, but ICMP keeps soldiering on |
| 15:07.17 | Miles_Prower | is there anything there that would make it inacessible? |
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| 15:07.33 | Dewi | I'd be hard rebooting my server all the time if I filtered ICMP |
| 15:07.43 | Dewi | instead of just riding out a DOS attack |
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| 15:09.07 | hanz | which package do i have to dpkg-reconfige if php4 is installed but not an availiable mod in apache2? |
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| 15:09.41 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 15:10.44 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 15:10.44 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 15:11.26 | abrotman | hanz: ? |
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| 15:11.41 | Dewi | abrotman / mick_home : if you're interested, I found a place where the Moz guy puts it better than I could. Read the paragraph mentioning "Toronto" here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 15:12.54 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:13.13 | Miles_Prower | Someone please take a look at http://tails.kicks-ass.net/gateway.sh and tell me if there's anything wrong with it that might mess with pings replying, OR with my webserver working? |
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| 15:13.36 | Dewi | Miles_Prower: I can't connect |
| 15:13.42 | Miles_Prower | (If DNS hasn't reached, try 72.185.241.241) |
| 15:13.51 | mick_home | Dewi: for more of a reason for the fork - check the trademark policy -it can't be any different than the mozilla.com binaries |
| 15:14.00 | CharminTheMoose | i have a problem with debootstrap:http://pastebin.ca/252441 |
| 15:15.09 | CharminTheMoose | can someone help me? |
| 15:15.53 | CharminTheMoose | i've tried other mirrors but i get the same messages |
| 15:16.33 | infernix | Miles_Prower: you're not accepting any new connections anywhere, as far as I can tell in a blink of an eye |
| 15:17.27 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: dns problems? |
| 15:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 707] by debhelper |
| 15:18.19 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: can you do eg. "host ftp.debian.org"? |
| 15:18.20 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-home:are you talking about on my side? |
| 15:18.26 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: yes. |
| 15:18.33 | CharminTheMoose | ftp.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 |
| 15:19.00 | infernix | one week you install fuzzyOCR to scan images for spam, the next week they twist the letters so OCR fails. |
| 15:19.20 | infernix | when does the hurting stop >.< |
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| 15:20.09 | abrotman | infernix: stop checking email |
| 15:20.15 | jelly-home | infernix: when you a) kill them all, or b) change SMTP to pay for each mail sent or c) introduce hard authentication |
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| 15:20.41 | CharminTheMoose | so do i have dns problems on my side? |
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| 15:20.52 | infernix | jelly-home: only a) seems viable. |
| 15:20.55 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: sounds like it's not dns |
| 15:21.02 | CharminTheMoose | then again,I am debootstrapping a loopback file |
| 15:21.11 | abrotman | d) abandon email |
| 15:21.36 | infernix | abrotman: i run a business here, i really cant :) |
| 15:21.38 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: shouldn't really matter |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | infernix: jabber! |
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| 15:22.32 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: fwiw, I can download http://ftp.debian.org/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz from here |
| 15:22.52 | infernix | abrotman: that would shrink my customer base considerably im afraid |
| 15:23.01 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: can you try downloading it with eg. wget or curl? |
| 15:23.06 | Drizzt321 | I'm using testing and recently did an upgrade to get the latest packages. unfortunately I was fairly out of date so it was a rather large update. but, I'm noticing now that in Firefox, not everything is being rendered correctly on the website I'm at, or even some of the buttons natively in Firefox. Anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing this? |
| 15:23.20 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: just to verify it's not a network problem |
| 15:23.35 | CharminTheMoose | yes i can download it via wget |
| 15:23.39 | abrotman | infernix: try to explain to your customers they'd have way more free time if they stopped reading email |
| 15:23.45 | infernix | Drizzt321: might be your vidcard driver, is it a specific one for your card or is it the standard vga/vesa one? |
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| 15:23.57 | infernix | abrotman: keyword "try" ;) |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | infernix: shut off email! |
| 15:24.28 | jelly-home | infernix: live in the woods and hunt your own food! |
| 15:24.43 | Dewi | why isn't SMTP authentication more widespread? |
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| 15:24.52 | Dewi | we seem to try a hell of a lot of other silly tricks first |
| 15:25.04 | Dewi | I guess the problem with SMTP auth is that it only works once everyone is doing it |
| 15:25.07 | infernix | because of the average knowledge level of sysadmins in the field |
| 15:25.11 | Dewi | but man, is it simple and cheap! |
| 15:25.39 | jelly-home | Dewi: any real solution has to be incremental and not "everyone has to switch at the same time" |
| 15:25.41 | infernix | jelly-home: modern day food hunts are in stores, not woods |
| 15:26.23 | infernix | i could start an email-to-snailmail service. that would be a blast. |
| 15:26.37 | Dewi | although... now that I think about it a little more, do SMTP relays themselves have a good way to identify each-other? It's easy enough to say "ehlo outlook, please identify yourself as a human" but less easy to say that to an automated SMTP relay down the chain |
| 15:26.42 | perlmonk | infernix, buy a barracuda and let them deal with it |
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| 15:27.14 | infernix | Dewi: its like with any other keychain, it revolves around trust. |
| 15:27.15 | Drizzt321 | infernix: it didn't happen before the upgrade, and I'm using the same drivers (nvidia binaries) |
| 15:27.33 | Drizzt321 | infernix: and it _seems_ to be only affecting firefox |
| 15:27.40 | Dewi | infernix: but does the keychain stretch beyond client <-> server, and on to server <-> server? |
| 15:27.43 | jelly-home | Dewi: yes they do, it's called SSL. Of course there's a small matter of not selling the certificates to the spammers. |
| 15:27.54 | Dewi | jelly-home: yeaaaah. |
| 15:28.18 | Dewi | jelly-home: I'm against people paying for SSL anyway |
| 15:28.35 | pumpkin0 | problem with gv: it displays graphics with 1 bit color depth. The graphic has more (16 bit i think). What can i do ? (it´s a pdf-file) |
| 15:28.46 | perlmonk | The people that will find a definitive, real solution against spam will make big $$ |
| 15:29.09 | Dewi | perlmonk: nah, if you want to make big $$ just become a spammer |
| 15:29.16 | Dewi | perlmonk: it's a lot better investment |
| 15:29.18 | infernix | Dewi: sendmail for instance is relatively easy to configure for SSL, but to only accept mail from authenticated servers means that you need a) all incoming and outgoing servers to have SSL support and b) somehow "know" that the SSL CAs you accept mail from/send mail to are trustworthy |
| 15:29.43 | infernix | and that is once more a globally switch-it-on situation which isnt viable |
| 15:29.46 | Dewi | infernix: exactly. This is a hole in my auth-based SMTP vision, I now realise :( |
| 15:29.57 | perlmonk | Dewi, Well, It's just too bad, it would be so simple if stupid people wouldn't click on spams... |
| 15:30.14 | Dewi | infernix: I actually thought for a very long time that there was something "special" stopping a normal peer from being an SMTP relay |
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| 15:31.02 | Drizzt321 | infernix: any other ideas? |
| 15:31.13 | infernix | Drizzt321: well i do seem to recall that firefox 1.5 and up have some form of faster rendering, possibly even through DRI. you could check if thats working correctly. you could post your xorg.0.log on a pastebin |
| 15:32.58 | Drizzt321 | infernix: hrm...I know I had an earlier version of 1.5 installed before the update and it was just fine |
| 15:33.30 | infernix | Drizzt321: run glxinfo -i | grep render |
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| 15:34.07 | infernix | if direct rendering is on, then i dont think its an issue with the nvidia driver config |
| 15:34.44 | Drizzt321 | infernix: no, direct rendering is set to no |
| 15:35.01 | infernix | then post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:35.22 | infernix | !paste |
| 15:35.22 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 15:36.05 | jelly-home | !beryl |
| 15:36.06 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 15:38.22 | Drizzt321 | infernix: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4545 |
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| 15:40.52 | infernix | Drizzt321: clearly you need to reinstall your nvidia driver, possibly upgrade it. for one, it compains about an old ABI version. secondly, your upgrade seemingly overwrote the glx driver resulting in the Xorg glx driver being loaded, not nvidia ones. lastly, it clearly states that DRI isn't loaded so check your Xorg.conf, Section Module, for a Load "dri" line. if it's not there, add it. |
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| 15:41.33 | Neaai | hello all. Has anyone had to deal with installing dspam and exim into debian ? |
| 15:41.36 | Drizzt321 | infernix: ahh, ok. thanks. I didn't think to check that log |
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| 15:41.50 | infernix | Drizzt321: the (EE) lines are your friends. |
| 15:42.02 | Drizzt321 | infernix: I think there might be a newer driver, I'll go grab that |
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| 15:42.39 | infernix | i'm on a 32bit kernel with 32bit userspace here. is there any way to compile a 64bit kernel without actually having one running? |
| 15:43.16 | Drizzt321 | infernix: yea, I know there is a way to cross-compile for other architectures, but i don't know how to set one up |
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| 15:49.48 | Neaai | hello all. Has anyone had to deal with installing dspam and exim into debian ? |
| 15:49.55 | jelly-home | !crosscompile |
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| 15:52.09 | infernix | found something already, jelly-home. http://www.haqthegibson.com/article/41 |
| 15:52.17 | aronofsky | hi, im on debian testing and when i try to compile beryl i got : aclocal: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' required but not defined ... can anyone tell me what i should install ? |
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| 15:55.21 | Drizzt321 | infernix: worked! thanks a bunch |
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| 15:55.33 | infernix | Drizzt321: you're welcome |
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| 15:55.54 | Drizzt321 | infernix: I'll have to remember that, that any kind of weird rendering could be the drivers/server |
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| 15:56.30 | Feax | how can I install KDE 3.5 on sarge ? |
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| 15:57.47 | infernix | !r300 |
| 15:58.13 | infernix | hm, the r300 driver isn't oficially in xorg yet? |
| 15:58.23 | jelly-home | Feax: looks like backports.org has 3.5.0 |
| 15:58.23 | futex | hello |
| 15:58.24 | gouki | Anyone knows a good place to buy Debian stuff (T-Shirts, Caps, etc) besides cafepress? |
| 15:58.44 | aronofsky | anyone , im on debian testing and when i try to compile beryl i got : aclocal: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' required but not defined ... can anyone tell me what i should install ? |
| 15:58.44 | Feax | jelly-home: okay, backport is on my sources.list, how do I do now ? |
| 15:58.49 | Neaai | Hello all. I'm trying to get exim and dspam configured but for some reason it fails. On a vanilla system install, after installing "dspam" and "exim4-daemon-heavy", what can the system do? Till now, to me it seems it can do nothing! |
| 15:58.49 | futex | do you know when nvidia-kernel-source package is comming in etch ? |
| 15:59.06 | jelly-home | !tell Feax -about bpo |
| 15:59.20 | Feax | jelly-home: I did thaht |
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| 15:59.29 | infernix | oh it is. silly me. |
| 15:59.33 | jelly-home | Feax: so install kde then. |
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| 15:59.45 | Shinomura_ | Hello |
| 15:59.48 | Feax | jelly-home: how to check the version before ? |
| 15:59.48 | jelly-home | Feax: I guess aptitude install kde or apt-get install kde should work |
| 15:59.59 | jelly-home | Feax: apt-get update; apt-cache policy kde |
| 16:00.02 | Shinomura_ | why i can't go to my desktop? |
| 16:00.16 | Shinomura_ | i need help |
| 16:00.25 | jelly-home | Feax: sorry, apt-cache policy kdebase |
| 16:00.28 | Shinomura_ | someone can help me? |
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| 16:00.46 | Shinomura_ | anybody can help me please? |
| 16:00.50 | Feax | jelly-home: it is 4.3 |
| 16:01.18 | jelly-home | Feax: what's 4.3? |
| 16:01.23 | Neaai | Shinomura_: what does "can't go to my desktop" mean ? |
| 16:01.31 | asg | Shinomura_: if you are at a console 'login: ' prompt, login and type 'startx'. Otherwise, try ALT+F7 |
| 16:01.32 | Feax | jelly-home: apt-cache policy kdebase |
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| 16:02.01 | Feax | jelly-home: nothing I am idiot :/ |
| 16:02.03 | jelly-home | Feax: you should see something like 4:3.5.5a-2 ... and *** 4:3.3.2-1sarge3 if you already have kdebase from sarge |
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| 16:02.15 | Shinomura_ | when i open my computer he say: Read-only file system |
| 16:02.30 | Shinomura_ | and don't start desktop |
| 16:02.30 | Neaai | Shinomura_: .. and then ? |
| 16:02.35 | Feax | jelly-home: if mutt is not installed, how do I install 3.5 ? And KDE 3.4 is already installed |
| 16:02.54 | Shinomura_ | i'm hear for a real terminal |
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| 16:02.58 | jelly-home | Feax: sorry, what does mutt have to do with kde? |
| 16:03.09 | Feax | jelly-home: to install kde 3.5 with backports |
| 16:03.37 | Neaai | Shinomura_: what were you doing before it started to do that? What did you change or worked with just before you got that message ? |
| 16:04.01 | jelly-home | Feax: ... why did you mention mutt? |
| 16:04.30 | Feax | jelly-home: hmm no, I was not right, so I add kde or kdebase in /etc/apt/preferance ? |
| 16:04.40 | jelly-home | Feax: kde. |
| 16:04.42 | Feax | okay |
| 16:04.51 | Shinomura_ | yesterday, i was try upagrade debian, and he say: Read-only file system... |
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| 16:05.17 | Feax | jelly-home: I don't need to uninstall kde 3.2 before ? |
| 16:05.24 | jelly-home | Feax: no. |
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| 16:05.37 | Neaai | Shinomura_: did it crash midway? did you try to install another kernel? Did you mess with partitioning ? |
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| 16:05.57 | Feax | jelly-home: I need to add kde-core too, etc in preferences ? |
| 16:06.03 | ephemeros | yo \m/ |
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| 16:06.13 | earthian | hello |
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| 16:06.32 | earthian | i want to set up a hosting server (www/mail/ftp/panel) what would you suggest me? |
| 16:07.06 | earthian | i need a control panel for a webserver .. plesk? its not in repositories.. what cp is in repos? |
| 16:07.15 | earthian | webmin seems not to support exim mailserver |
| 16:07.17 | earthian | :/ |
| 16:07.34 | Neaai | Shinomura_: and after that message of Read-only filesys, did it get you to any sort of prompt? maintenance prompt, or ask for admin pass to run any check ? |
| 16:07.47 | Shinomura_ | Neaai: can I speacke with you with private chat? |
| 16:08.05 | Neaai | Shinomura_: we can try but I'm no expert I warn you :) |
| 16:08.14 | Neaai | Shinomura_: I'm here to question too :) |
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| 16:09.19 | Shinomura_ | Can you understand spanish? |
| 16:09.19 | Neaai | Shinomura_: just a bit |
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| 16:09.44 | Shinomura_ | can i speake inglish and spanish for a any words? >_< |
| 16:09.53 | Shinomura_ | some.. |
| 16:10.00 | Neaai | Shinomura_: sure |
| 16:10.18 | aronofsky | im on debian testing and when i try to compile beryl i got : aclocal: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' required but not defined ... can anyone tell me what i should install ? |
| 16:10.34 | peterrus | python? |
| 16:10.35 | stoned | hi |
| 16:10.54 | SerajewelKS | when playing games, every so often the screen will be filled with green in some peusdorandom fashion and the game will freeze for maybe 10 seconds. what could cause this? |
| 16:11.06 | Feax | how to install KDE 3.5 ? |
| 16:11.12 | SerajewelKS | it's only recently started happening |
| 16:11.13 | stoned | !install kde |
| 16:11.13 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:11.14 | Neaai | has anyone had to install exim and dspam from the testing releas ? |
| 16:11.15 | Shinomura_ | Neaai: can you open private? |
| 16:11.17 | Neaai | release* |
| 16:11.30 | stoned | !tell Feax -about install kde |
| 16:12.05 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I overclocked my gpu from 400mhz to 566mhz, but over 566mhz it gives me the same problem you have |
| 16:12.08 | stoned | exactly the same |
| 16:12.14 | Feax | stoned: 3.5 -_- |
| 16:12.16 | stoned | plus other graphical anamolies within the game too |
| 16:12.27 | Neaai | Shinomura_: It gives me a message of "can't open privates, you need to register" |
| 16:12.27 | SerajewelKS | stoned: did setting it back down fix the issue? |
| 16:12.30 | stoned | Feax, kde 3.5 in sarge? |
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| 16:12.45 | aronofsky | peterrus, python is installed |
| 16:12.48 | stoned | SerajewelKS, of course :) 10mhz under the limit |
| 16:13.01 | peterrus | aronofsky, then i have no idea. google? |
| 16:13.06 | Shinomura_ | ok Neaai , i'm goin now, wait a minut |
| 16:13.07 | Feax | stoned: yep |
| 16:13.07 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i'd been running my FSB at 100mhz for several years, CPU FBS is rated 166mhz |
| 16:13.13 | stoned | Feax, hold on |
| 16:13.17 | earthian | hm |
| 16:13.20 | Feax | stoned: why ? :X |
| 16:13.22 | stoned | !stosberg |
| 16:13.23 | dpkg | i guess stosberg is Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (stable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. |
| 16:13.29 | SerajewelKS | stoned: now that i've set it to 166 (the difference between 1.1ghz and 1.8ghz - ouch) the GPU is doing this |
| 16:13.30 | stoned | Feax, I was trying to smoke |
| 16:13.33 | earthian | if dpkg is not answering that means that it has no answer?? |
| 16:13.51 | stoned | !tell Feax -about stosberg |
| 16:14.06 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i know i can set the AGP clock too, i'm just not sure what i should be setting it to |
| 16:14.19 | stoned | what does your card support? |
| 16:14.23 | Feax | stoned: 3.5.3, I want 3.5.5 |
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| 16:14.29 | Neaai | so noone here has tried to install exim + dspam ? |
| 16:14.37 | stoned | Feax, try backports.org, if not, then I dunno |
| 16:14.47 | SerajewelKS | stoned: and at one point i had the FSB at 200mhz (trying to overclock) and the CPU temp got too hot for my taste (>60C) so i hope that didn't fry the GPU |
| 16:14.52 | stoned | Feax, however, stosberg had 3.5.5 last I checked, or was it 3.5.3 |
| 16:14.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i'm not sure exactly, i suppose i could google it |
| 16:15.44 | stoned | SerajewelKS, my gpu has been going into 65-70C over past few weeks, on stock cooling |
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| 16:16.25 | stoned | SerajewelKS, it won't fry anything, then again, if you are extra paranoid, don't clcok it too high |
| 16:16.34 | SerajewelKS | stoned: http://reviews.cnet.com/Nvidia_GeForce_6600_GT/4507-8902_7-31138497.html -- not sure where the clock speed is or if it's even there |
| 16:16.35 | stoned | my video memory is at 966mhz |
| 16:16.47 | stoned | shouldn't have bought that card |
| 16:16.52 | stoned | its a piece of crap |
| 16:16.56 | stoned | sorry :( |
| 16:16.56 | SerajewelKS | stoned: the CPU should be clocked to spec, dunno about anything else |
| 16:17.07 | SerajewelKS | stoned: it's gotta be better than the FX5500 i was using |
| 16:17.13 | stoned | definitely |
| 16:17.18 | SerajewelKS | well there we are |
| 16:17.22 | stoned | :) |
| 16:17.37 | stoned | are you in KS? |
| 16:17.46 | SerajewelKS | i don't have a lot of cash to throw around so i try to balance between good and cheap |
| 16:17.57 | SerajewelKS | no, but a lot of people have asked |
| 16:17.57 | stoned | good + cheap is rare |
| 16:18.00 | danIG | hi, how do I change my hostname? |
| 16:18.03 | SerajewelKS | hence balance |
| 16:18.06 | stoned | man hostname |
| 16:18.13 | SerajewelKS | usually cheap wins... because it has to =) |
| 16:18.20 | stoned | and /etc/hostname |
| 16:18.51 | danIG | yes stoned, but then there is a problem when the box is restarted, it goes somehow back to the old name... |
| 16:19.03 | stoned | dan2, /etc/hostname |
| 16:19.11 | stoned | s/dan2/danIG |
| 16:19.50 | SerajewelKS | stoned: at any rate, you know the clock speed for this one? |
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| 16:20.42 | stoned | SerajewelKS, start with stock speeds. Raise and test in increments of 5mhz. When the test dont go through, set it 5-10 mhz below that limit. that is your limit. same with memory speed |
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| 16:20.54 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i don't know what stock is, that's the problem |
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| 16:21.14 | stoned | SerajewelKS, how are you overclocking, with the nvidia utility, just hit defaults and it will go back |
| 16:21.17 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i think the mobo is overclocking it by itself (AGP clock is set to auto, who knows if it's being detected right) |
| 16:21.30 | stoned | set it to 8x manually |
| 16:21.46 | stoned | geforce 6 series supports 8x |
| 16:21.54 | stoned | i think |
| 16:22.14 | stoned | and just look at the tech specs of your cards'a model online anywhere |
| 16:22.19 | SerajewelKS | oh, the rate is set to 8x yes |
| 16:22.28 | stoned | it will say how fast the core runs, how fast the memory is |
| 16:22.39 | SerajewelKS | yeah i can't seem to find the core speed |
| 16:22.51 | CharminTheMoose | hi,i noticed that at boot agp memory usage on my main memory is 93MB and when i boot into X my memory usage says that 98 percent of my memory is being used.Is agp the cause of it? |
| 16:22.54 | stoned | should be around 366-400mhz |
| 16:23.09 | limpio | hi all, i'm getting an error compiling ratpoison 1.4, in sarge, i installed zip unzip bzip2 checkinstall build-essential i get this error when i do 'make': actions.c:24:34: X11/extensions/XTest.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:23.26 | stoned | CharminTheMoose, agp aperture size, set it to 64 or less |
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| 16:23.42 | novata_peleona | which comand can i use to format /dev/sda to ext3? |
| 16:23.46 | CharminTheMoose | stoned:how,may i enquire? |
| 16:24.03 | stoned | limpio, umm, I think maybe you need x11-dev something |
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| 16:24.17 | stoned | I dunno, I would search for x11|grep dev |
| 16:24.28 | nokrev | Is security.debian.org having trouble right now? I can't connect to it. |
| 16:24.33 | SerajewelKS | stoned: the "RAMDAC Clock Speed" is 400mhz, the memory clock is 1ghz |
| 16:24.39 | SerajewelKS | ramdac being the core i take it? |
| 16:24.40 | ofer1 | nokrev, works fine for me |
| 16:25.01 | stoned | !search limpio |
| 16:25.49 | gouki | nokrev: Working here. (Portugal) |
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| 16:25.52 | nokrev | hmm. my sources.list file contains only `deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main`, and when I run apt-get update, I get stuck at 0% connecting |
| 16:25.56 | SerajewelKS | stoned: also note that the amount of crappy things in my computer is inversely proportional to how much money people throw at me =) |
| 16:26.05 | stoned | lol |
| 16:26.16 | stoned | nokrev, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:26.25 | SerajewelKS | and/or non-crappy parts |
| 16:26.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: you know of a quick way to check the current speed the core is running at? from *cough* windows? |
| 16:27.25 | stoned | SerajewelKS, official nvidia drivers, classic control panel, with coolbits (nvidia hidden settings enabled) |
| 16:27.35 | stoned | that is the best way |
| 16:27.53 | SerajewelKS | where the hell is the control panel =/ |
| 16:28.05 | SerajewelKS | yeah never mind |
| 16:28.05 | stoned | why did I just think you were on windows? |
| 16:28.08 | nokrev | stoned: none of those seem to contain security updates :-/ |
| 16:28.12 | stoned | it sounded like you were on windows? |
| 16:28.36 | stoned | use nvclock package then |
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| 16:28.46 | vivithemage | hello, does anyone know whats causing this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10235 |
| 16:28.55 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i meant the nvidia control panel. yes, i'm on 'doze ATM. |
| 16:29.07 | stoned | I thought as much |
| 16:29.18 | gouki | 'doze is so 1337 to say! |
| 16:29.42 | SerajewelKS | okay fuck this, the classic control panel doesn't want to open |
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| 16:30.11 | stoned | SerajewelKS, ##windows |
| 16:30.26 | SerajewelKS | stoned: actually #lunch =) sater |
| 16:30.27 | SerajewelKS | later too |
| 16:30.31 | stoned | haha |
| 16:30.32 | stoned | word |
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| 16:31.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 16:31.53 | nokrev | stoned: could it be a dns problem? If it is working, I should be able to visit security.debian.org elsewhere on the network and see something? |
| 16:32.04 | stoned | nokrev, yes |
| 16:32.21 | stoned | ping: unknown host security.debian.net |
| 16:32.30 | stoned | dunno buddy, server down |
| 16:32.38 | nokrev | for everybody, or just me? |
| 16:32.40 | streuner | dude. security.debian.ORG |
| 16:32.48 | streuner | NOT net |
| 16:32.56 | nokrev | streuner: I'm using .or |
| 16:32.57 | nokrev | *org |
| 16:33.10 | streuner | that was for stoned :-) |
| 16:33.21 | stoned | nokrev, official servers are always up |
| 16:33.29 | _zfr_ | stoned: smoke weed ? |
| 16:33.32 | stoned | streuner, I thought he had some 3rd party server |
| 16:33.37 | stoned | for security updates |
| 16:33.54 | nokrev | nope, using main security.debian.org ones; it's not responding to ping |
| 16:33.58 | streuner | heh, for official patches about security? *sure* :-) |
| 16:34.01 | Miles_Prower | BUM is a ver nice tool. I like using my BUM to manage my startup scripts. |
| 16:34.05 | nokrev | 212.211.132.250 is what it's thinking the IP is |
| 16:34.37 | stoned | streuner, I told him earlier anyway, and no I'm not high yet |
| 16:34.45 | stoned | I just woke up, have not baked yet |
| 16:35.02 | nokrev | so, can somebody check to make sure they have a different IP that their DNS tells them |
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| 16:36.08 | stoned | that is why I pinged that, I don't know why I thought SerajewelKS was on windows, I just assumed, I was right anyway, and then I somehow assumed he was looking for 3rd party security for some reason, so I pinged debian.net ever thought as I was reading it, I read debian.org |
| 16:36.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | if i may ask: what would be an option in this situation: 5 servers, windows and linux, 10 desktops, windows and linux, and i want the windows domain options on all, like roaming profile, and tighten rules about what they may do on the pc's. an central user database, so that not all samba server have to edit the users in an local passwd file and the clients can easely share an directory to certain users. how can this be done? |
| 16:36.13 | stoned | I think the problem is I have not wake/bake yet |
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| 16:37.03 | stoned | I think an episode of cranial flatulance |
| 16:37.08 | ugly | I'm trying to figure out what is causing intermittent Xorg freezes - I have one occurring right now. I can still move the mouse, but nothing happens when I click on anything. I do not see any errors in dmesg, xdm's log, messages, or syslog. If I log into my box from another one and restart X, it restores the normal behavior. Any ideas? |
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| 16:37.30 | stoned | bad mouse |
| 16:37.33 | stoned | maybe |
| 16:37.41 | ugly | no, it doesn't respond to the keyboard either |
| 16:37.56 | nokrev | Gonna try different DNS servers, and see if I can get it to respond. |
| 16:37.59 | ugly | this is happening on two different computers that both run etch and use different mice |
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| 16:38.35 | gouki | nokrev: Give OpenDNS a try |
| 16:38.43 | nokrev | gouki: just did ;) |
| 16:39.13 | gouki | nokrev: satisfied? |
| 16:39.19 | nokrev | gouki: I've always been rather skeptical of their service, but I've got to admit, it is pretty darn easy, and not that bad |
| 16:39.38 | nokrev | Yay! I get a response now. Weird. |
| 16:40.00 | gouki | nokrev: Yeah. They provide a good service. |
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| 16:41.19 | nokrev | wow, the username `jeff` is available. That's incredible! |
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| 16:42.15 | StarWars | hi all |
| 16:42.15 | StarWars | Warning: imagettftext() [function.imagettftext]: Could not find/open font in /home/rcxnet/www/includes/img_conf.php on line 12 |
| 16:42.29 | StarWars | what i need to do imagettftext |
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| 16:43.55 | Christophe | J: #debian.fr |
| 16:45.23 | Christophe | hello there. Is it possible to get transparent windows using Sarge & Xcfe4 ? |
| 16:45.51 | Christophe | Xdce, sorry |
| 16:45.54 | Christophe | Wfce :o |
| 16:45.59 | Christophe | Xfce |
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| 16:47.08 | peterrus | xfce for ownage |
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| 16:47.26 | peterrus | transparent windows are evil |
| 16:47.31 | peterrus | no idea though |
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| 16:48.44 | Christophe | because it's possible with Xdce4.2 but it's Xfce4.0 in Sarge right ? |
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| 16:54.33 | mina_linux_Tux | how to add the following URL http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/Plugins.html to my apt sources.list ? |
| 16:55.35 | vivithemage | /etc/apt/sources.list << it is there |
| 16:56.00 | hcy | hi, i compiled a new kernel, and when i ran "lilo" after adding it in, I got: "'/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/sdd' -> '/dev/sdd' Fatal: open /dev/sdd: No such file or directory |
| 16:56.07 | vivithemage | could use vi to copy and past :) |
| 16:56.10 | hcy | what do i do? |
| 16:56.16 | mina_linux_Tux | vivithemage: is this url a proper one to be addedd |
| 16:56.22 | mina_linux_Tux | added to the sources ? |
| 16:56.25 | Anarka | mina_linux_Tux that url is not a source |
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| 16:56.39 | vivithemage | yeah doesnt look like it |
| 16:56.44 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: so how to get the source ? |
| 16:57.08 | vivithemage | mina http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/sources.list <<< theres an example of a sources list |
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| 16:57.26 | Anarka | mina_linux_Tux well have you tryed apt-cache search gkrellm ? |
| 16:57.34 | Anarka | you should get a decent list of plugins |
| 16:57.55 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: yes but didn't get all the plugins available on this URL |
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| 16:58.04 | Anarka | probably not |
| 16:58.31 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: so ? |
| 16:58.39 | vivithemage | does anyone know whats causing the nvidia driver to do this >> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10235 |
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| 16:59.07 | Anarka | so you either compile the plugins(bah) or try to find a deb source |
| 16:59.52 | Anarka | some of them may exist in .deb format |
| 16:59.55 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: so what is the main and powerful deb source URL to be addedd |
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| 17:00.16 | Anarka | why should i know that ? :P |
| 17:00.22 | Tuxguy | Is there a list that shows what are on each ISO on the ftp? Like cd1..cd5..etc |
| 17:00.32 | Anarka | i havent even used gkrellm for a couple of years |
| 17:00.42 | aronofsky | I got the following error on testing : aclocal: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' required but not defined .. can anyone tell me what i should install ? |
| 17:00.44 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: no i mean for Debian packages ? |
| 17:01.21 | stew | Tuxguy: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 17:01.33 | Tuxguy | ty stew |
| 17:01.39 | Tuxguy | dpkg didn't reply |
| 17:01.44 | stew | !which cd |
| 17:01.44 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 17:02.11 | Tuxguy | What is jigdo? |
| 17:02.28 | stew | the jigsaw downloader, /msg dpkg jigdo |
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| 17:06.50 | Feax | I have: Error - Access denied for 90.7.66.20 when I go to the webmin page, how to solve this ? |
| 17:08.06 | Tuxguy | Cool |
| 17:08.06 | Feax | ? |
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| 17:08.06 | Tuxguy | KDE was on Disc 1 all along.... I was about to apt-get it |
| 17:08.06 | tarzeau | enouf: pong |
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| 17:08.10 | EsoD | Hi, I'm consfused with the debian 2.6 netinst installer. I've got 2xraptor in raid0 (hw raid) on a Silicon Image 3114 controller. The disks are shown as two seperate disks, guess the libata has kicked in. How may i resolve this in the installer? |
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| 17:09.37 | cuse | Hi! Is there a way to purge a package which was already removed? I have to purge the hotplug package, there are still some etc files around, but the package is already removed. |
| 17:09.51 | ofer1 | cuse, install, purge |
| 17:10.00 | Anarka | cuse dpkg -P package |
| 17:10.00 | cuse | ofer1: no, install will deinstall my current kernel |
| 17:10.01 | ofer1 | cuse, aptitude install hotplug; aptitude purge hotplug |
| 17:10.28 | cuse | ofer1: as said, impossible due to deadly package conflicts |
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| 17:10.51 | ofer1 | cuse, so follow Anarka's advice |
| 17:11.01 | bugzilla-n00b | Hello @all, The Sarge installer asks me for a domainname and I entered every time a domainname but all I get if I run the command "dnsdomainname" is something like "localhost.localnet". Where is the entry I gave in the installer? |
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| 17:11.07 | cuse | Anarka: thanks |
| 17:11.21 | Anarka | :) |
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| 17:14.20 | suppaman | hello |
| 17:14.28 | bugzilla-n00b | In my question above I mean: I enter the command "dnsdomainname" after the installation, of course. But I never got back the domainname I entered at the installer. Why? |
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| 17:18.25 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: |
| 17:18.48 | mina_linux_Tux | Anarka: ?? i was asking about debian packages URL not gkrellm one |
| 17:19.29 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to make a basic based-on-debian root/boot floppy disk using the base tools? |
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| 17:20.43 | threw | hi all ! |
| 17:20.48 | whaq | hola |
| 17:20.52 | bugzilla-n00b | CharminTheMoose: man mkboot |
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| 17:21.20 | threw | i have a really dumb question: sound doesnt work on my debian unstable. how to know whats going wrong ? ive already googled without success.... |
| 17:21.39 | Tuxguy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:21.40 | Tuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.40 | Tuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.40 | Tuxguy | E: Broken packages |
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| 17:21.54 | Tuxguy | I thought Debian gets dependencies for you using apt-get? |
| 17:22.19 | bugzilla-n00b | CharminTheMoose: http://tldp.org/LDP/Pocket-Linux-Guide/html/index.html |
| 17:22.23 | vulture | Tuxguy: right - but you'll notice that the packages/system is broken in someway, and they cannot be retrieved.. |
| 17:22.23 | Sativouf | it even says when packages are broken |
| 17:22.45 | vulture | Tuxguy: it's tried to & failed - neither of the possible dependencies can be installed, for one reason or another. |
| 17:22.58 | Tuxguy | vulture, It says that on all the packages.... |
| 17:23.05 | Tuxguy | vulture, well, most of them... i wonder why |
| 17:25.04 | g333k | is icedove compatible with the thunderbird extensions? I have updated my thunderbird to icedove and some extension dissapeared :( |
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| 17:26.04 | Neaai | hello. Anyone has set up dspam with exim? |
| 17:27.22 | suppaman | is there an "experimental" branch ? |
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| 17:28.56 | Tuxguy | vulture, How can I check to see why it didn't install? |
| 17:29.11 | mina_linux_Tux | how to know the PID of a running process ? |
| 17:29.25 | Tuxguy | mina_linux_Tux, type 'ps' |
| 17:29.42 | cahoot | mina_linux_Tux: pgrep |
| 17:29.54 | cahoot | mina_linux_Tux: pgrep <process> |
| 17:30.04 | mina_linux_Tux | Tuxguy: and if i want a specific process |
| 17:30.05 | vulture | Tuxguy: could try installing one of the dependent packages directly (though I expect there was a little more information in the original failure.. maybe) |
| 17:30.19 | tralala | mina_linux_Tux: man ps; man pgrep |
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| 17:31.58 | Tuxguy | vulture, http://pastebin.com/828185 |
| 17:32.05 | Tuxguy | That's the only thing 'apt-get install gaim' says |
| 17:35.00 | CharminTheMoose | when compiling a kernel,can i just auto delselect everything if i want to build a quite a small kernel? |
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| 17:37.40 | ta1 | i have debian etch and i cannot access a part of my partion. it gives me the following message |
| 17:37.41 | ta1 | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 17:37.41 | ta1 | applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 17:37.42 | ta1 | error: device /dev/hda3 is not removable |
| 17:37.42 | ta1 | error: could not execute pmount |
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| 17:39.07 | ta1 | hi people |
| 17:39.30 | ta1 | can someone help me? |
| 17:39.45 | CharminTheMoose | tal:it depends |
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| 17:42.28 | ugly | what's the name of that proprietary protocol that many MP3 players use? |
| 17:42.39 | ta1 | i cannot access my partition |
| 17:42.50 | ta1 | it tells me the following |
| 17:42.59 | Anarka | ugly wma ? |
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| 17:43.08 | ta1 | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set |
| 17:43.10 | ugly | no, protocol, not format |
| 17:43.15 | ta1 | applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
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| 17:43.24 | ugly | for transferring audio to the players |
| 17:43.30 | Anarka | ahh |
| 17:43.34 | Anarka | hummm ;) |
| 17:43.37 | ta1 | error: device /dev/hda3 is not removable |
| 17:43.37 | ta1 | error: could not execute pmount |
| 17:43.41 | ta1 | any idea what it means |
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| 17:45.47 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a serious problem with my 2.4 kernel |
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| 17:46.13 | CharminTheMoose | i get a whole bunch of syntax errors when i try to compile the 2.4.0 kernel |
| 17:46.26 | CharminTheMoose | is there something wrong with my version of make? |
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| 17:48.51 | Anarka | you are compiling a 2.4.0 kernel ? |
| 17:48.58 | CharminTheMoose | Anarka |
| 17:48.59 | CharminTheMoose | yes |
| 17:49.03 | Anarka | why ? |
| 17:49.26 | CharminTheMoose | I'm attempting to make a bootdisk for the fun ofit |
| 17:49.33 | Anarka | ahhh okis :) |
| 17:49.38 | CharminTheMoose | should i select a newer 2.4 |
| 17:49.40 | CharminTheMoose | ? |
| 17:49.46 | CharminTheMoose | !enter |
| 17:49.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 17:49.55 | CharminTheMoose | at myself.... |
| 17:50.16 | ta1 | i have a problem with accessing my partition |
| 17:50.20 | ta1 | can someone help me? |
| 17:50.28 | CharminTheMoose | tal,what problem do you have? |
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| 17:52.39 | ta1 | everytime i want to access my partition i get the follwoing message: |
| 17:52.40 | ta1 | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 17:52.41 | ta1 | applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 17:52.41 | ta1 | error: device /dev/hda3 is not removable |
| 17:52.41 | ta1 | error: could not execute pmount |
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| 17:54.00 | ta1 | Charmin you there? |
| 17:54.06 | CharminTheMoose | yes i'm here |
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| 17:54.57 | ta1 | did you see me message that i have pasted b4 i got kicked |
| 17:56.03 | danIG | hi folx, I have a trouble with bastard crackers on my servers, how can I protect my sshd from users trying to hack my server? |
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| 17:56.34 | Tuxguy | I have sound in KDE, but not in Firefox + flash pages |
| 17:56.39 | CharminTheMoose | sorry tal,i don't know whqat to do with that message |
| 17:56.42 | Tuxguy | The video works, just not the sound...makes a weird noise |
| 17:56.44 | CharminTheMoose | *what |
| 17:56.46 | craigevil | Tuxguy: which versin of Flash? |
| 17:57.04 | Tuxguy | I think 7 |
| 17:57.19 | craigevil | there was abug in flash 7 if you can upgrade to flash 9 |
| 17:57.20 | danIG | I get stuff like that in my auth.log: http://paste.plone.org/11634 |
| 17:57.36 | danIG | I want to close this... |
| 17:57.59 | ta1 | the thing is that i cannot access my partition. it gives me always a message |
| 17:58.05 | Anarka | danIG check denyhosts |
| 17:58.10 | danIG | also it opens sessions for www-data somehow... |
| 17:58.11 | ta1 | you know any utilities to check the HD |
| 17:58.18 | Tuxguy | craigevil, I think 7...should I try 9? |
| 17:58.20 | Anarka | danIG you dont need sshd ? |
| 17:58.26 | craigevil | flash 9 works great |
| 17:58.34 | danIG | is this normal? or is this someone hacking my server? |
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| 17:58.39 | craigevil | if you can't do 9 try: |
| 17:58.39 | craigevil | sudo aptitude install alsa-oss |
| 17:58.39 | craigevil | sudo gedit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
| 17:58.39 | craigevil | FIREFOX_DSP=?aoss? |
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| 17:58.47 | danIG | I need sshd in order to access the box... it is remote... |
| 17:58.47 | stonee_ | what application can i install to change the volume on my laptop? |
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| 17:59.07 | craigevil | oops :) |
| 17:59.11 | Tuxguy | What are the ? mean |
| 17:59.13 | Anarka | danIG check package denyhosts |
| 17:59.21 | stonee_ | i can't seem to find anything on packages.debian.org |
| 18:00.11 | craigevil | Tuxguy: try flash 9 it works, or you look here for a hack to fix sound in flash 7> http://www.macewan.org/2006/06/01/howto-firefox-flash-video-sound-on-ubuntu-linux-dapper/ |
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| 18:02.13 | CharminTheMoose | what factors could cause a kernel not to compile correctly? |
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| 18:02.39 | stonee_ | not compiling the correct components? |
| 18:02.41 | infernix | hum. seems my Radeon X800 pro (R420) isnt supported in the r300 driver yet, it hardlocks my system somehow. does anyone happen to have one running with the open source driver? fglrx works fine |
| 18:02.52 | CharminTheMoose | stonee_,what do you mean by that? |
| 18:02.59 | Tuxguy | Error: no write permission for file "/etc/firefox/firefoxrc" |
| 18:03.57 | stonee_ | well some options are required.. such as ELF (i think that the name of the item) support |
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| 18:04.15 | stonee_ | ELF is the binary format used to execute programs |
| 18:04.27 | stonee_ | without it your kernel does not know the structure of programs to run |
| 18:04.33 | craigevil | Tuxguy: you have to edit that as root |
| 18:04.34 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Compilation errors ;-) |
| 18:04.47 | Tuxguy | craigevil, I did a su - first |
| 18:05.02 | CharminTheMoose | 'lo karsten |
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| 18:05.16 | craigevil | hm might actually have to create the file, it might not be there by default |
| 18:05.29 | Tuxguy | Oh crap |
| 18:05.32 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: You really want to look at the errors reported. Lots of stuff. Usually there's an error followed by a few housecleaning messages, so you might have to scroll back a few lines. |
| 18:05.32 | Tuxguy | Is there a default one? |
| 18:05.52 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: you should use a gcc version from a similar timeframe. gcc 3.4 or even 4.1 probably won't like the 2.4.0 sources.... why are you trying to compile 2.4.0 anyway? |
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| 18:06.15 | karsten | Tuxguy: Two lines. |
| 18:06.19 | craigevil | just navigate to the /etc/firefox directory and double check |
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| 18:06.34 | stonee_ | erm. i think i misunderstood the question |
| 18:06.35 | Tuxguy | weird |
| 18:06.40 | stonee_ | oh well |
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| 18:06.43 | Tuxguy | the /etc/firefox doesn't exist |
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| 18:06.52 | Neaai | Has anyone set up exim and dspam ? |
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| 18:07.04 | justone | anyone could tell me what is better..rocks or oscar clusters ..? |
| 18:07.12 | utab | I am trying to print over a network printer, it takes to long, lets say 50 pages pdf document in half an hour, what is the problem |
| 18:07.23 | karsten | Tuxguy: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4546 |
| 18:07.52 | Tuxguy | karsten, /etc/firefox doesn't exist |
| 18:07.55 | hologram | utab: are files xferring at normal speeds over this network? |
| 18:07.58 | karsten | utab: The problem is your print jobs's too slow. |
| 18:07.58 | Makro2 | can i run another install of linux on a window? |
| 18:08.05 | karsten | Tuxguy: Then create it with that content. |
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| 18:08.16 | karsten | Makro2: google 'colinux'. Also qemu. |
| 18:08.25 | karsten | Makro2: Erm. Define "on a window". |
| 18:08.55 | CharminTheMoose | damn |
| 18:09.03 | karsten | utab: Could be a complex document. How long does it take to print something simple? What sort of printer? How is it configured (PCL vs. PS). These days PCL's probably faster. |
| 18:09.08 | SerajewelKS | stoned: ping |
| 18:09.08 | CharminTheMoose | I can't compile grub from source |
| 18:09.17 | jelly-home | !wayttd CharminTheMoose |
| 18:09.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, CharminTheMoose? |
| 18:09.30 | Makro2 | karsten: hehe is just semantic |
| 18:09.31 | karsten | jelly-home: He's trying to compile grub from source? |
| 18:09.44 | jelly-home | !slap karsten |
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| 18:10.01 | CharminTheMoose | and i get an error message with. |
| 18:10.27 | karsten | Makro2: Are you trying to: 1: run Linux from MS Windows? 2: Run a second emulated Linux system within Linux? 3: Run a second X session within an existing X session? 4: Run a remote session w/ graphics support? |
| 18:10.31 | jelly-home | karsten: /lastlog command is really nice when playing tech support over irc |
| 18:10.41 | CharminTheMoose | Making all in stage2 make[2]: Entering directory `/home/andrew/tot/boot/grub/grub-0.95+cvs20040624/stage2' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `graphics.c', needed by `pre_stage2_exec-graphics.o'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/andrew/tot/boot/grub/grub-0.95+cvs20040624/stage2' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/andrew/tot/boot/grub/grub-0.95+cvs20040624' make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 18:10.42 | karsten | jelly-home: Innit just? |
| 18:10.48 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Use paster |
| 18:10.56 | CharminTheMoose | sorry karsten |
| 18:10.56 | Makro2 | karsten: winner is number 2 |
| 18:11.01 | stoned | SerajewelKS, pong |
| 18:11.09 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Looks like a possible makefile bug. |
| 18:11.11 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i enabled coolbits |
| 18:11.18 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: why are you trying to build really old versions of software? |
| 18:11.23 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i was running at 500mhz core, 1.8ghz ram |
| 18:11.32 | SerajewelKS | stoned: the spec is 400 / 1.0 |
| 18:11.34 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos that's what apt has.... |
| 18:11.42 | k31th | How can i stick basic auth on this http://pastebin.ca/252540 |
| 18:11.51 | karsten | Makro2: For varying levels of 2nd: chroot, uml, qemu, xen, vmware. |
| 18:11.56 | Makro2 | karsten: so maybe qemu is the option |
| 18:11.56 | SerajewelKS | stoned: but when i told it to "detect optimal frequencies" it picked 534 / 1.85 |
| 18:12.23 | suppaman | bye |
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| 18:12.30 | SerajewelKS | qemu is okay if you can stand the speed... or lack thereof |
| 18:12.32 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: apt has kernel 2.4.0? In which release, potato? slink? |
| 18:12.37 | karsten | Makro2: Certainly _an_ option. |
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| 18:12.44 | SerajewelKS | granted it's tons faster than bochs, but still pretty slow |
| 18:12.46 | Makro2 | karsten: okay, thanks, gonna check what happens |
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| 18:13.09 | SerajewelKS | stoned: so i'm not sure if i should use these "optimal" settings or use the spec |
| 18:13.14 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-home,I got the 2.4.0 from kernel.org,but i've now compiled 2.4.27 successfully |
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| 18:13.31 | karsten | Makro2: IME: qemu's useful for testing stuff, usually at a technical level, but is a bit slow for usability. I have *not* tried the kqemu proprietary speedup kernel mods. |
| 18:13.31 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i can't imagine making it run faster would solve the fun green noise but what do i know |
| 18:13.35 | CharminTheMoose | so should i get the latest grub sources? |
| 18:13.38 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: why do you want 2.4.0 (or 2.4.27 for that matter)? |
| 18:13.43 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i have, it doesn't help much |
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| 18:13.59 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Thanks, useful info. |
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| 18:14.19 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos it's small and it works jelly-home |
| 18:14.23 | karsten | Makro2: UML may be faster, xen's much, much better but takes some config. |
| 18:14.24 | CharminTheMoose | and now i must go and eat food |
| 18:14.25 | SerajewelKS | karsten: as much as i hate to admit it, FOSS can't compete with vmware yet |
| 18:14.26 | Makro2 | karsten: aha, so, sny suggestion? |
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| 18:14.38 | Makro2 | karsten: sny= any |
| 18:14.43 | jelly-home | huh, scared him off I did, hmm? |
| 18:14.50 | karsten | bbiam |
| 18:14.58 | Makro2 | karsten: oh i see, gonna check xen |
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| 18:15.44 | miro | hi, who can i see what apps are installed on my pc ? |
| 18:15.52 | SerajewelKS | miro: dpkg -l |
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| 18:16.07 | miro | SerajewelKS: tnx |
| 18:16.09 | k31th | How can i stick basic auth on this http://pastebin.ca/252540 |
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| 18:16.38 | whatevereal | anyone could tell me what is better..rocks or oscar clusters ..?? |
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| 18:17.02 | jeward | If I am using my workstation just to display X11 from a more powerful machine, is it possible to get sound on my local system from programs running on the remote server? |
| 18:17.06 | whatevereal | or simply using lvs linux system |
| 18:17.42 | yassine | do i need to add spcifique mirrors in my source.list to get the Zaptel-modules needed for asterisk ? im running on debian etch |
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| 18:22.15 | danIG | how do you guy secure your servers from attacks? |
| 18:22.26 | danIG | s/guy/guys |
| 18:22.35 | hologram | close up any unused services/daemons |
| 18:22.38 | zinx | danIG: I run debian |
| 18:22.42 | danIG | Anarka, there is no package denyhosts |
| 18:22.42 | hologram | patch/update regularly |
| 18:22.45 | |V\oNK | hello, what is the best way (and not too hard) to get my intel2915 working in etch. I see lines for ipw2200 and intel2915 in dmesg and wirelesstools is akready installed. I have read a good bit from different sites about this, but they all do it a different way.. |
| 18:22.49 | hologram | nmap yourself |
| 18:22.54 | danIG | I run debian, too |
| 18:22.58 | danIG | what is nmap? |
| 18:22.59 | hologram | :) |
| 18:23.02 | hologram | danIG: google it |
| 18:23.06 | |V\oNK | i couldnt find anything on debian-administration either |
| 18:23.15 | |V\oNK | network mapper |
| 18:23.23 | |V\oNK | good tool |
| 18:23.44 | hologram | danIG: use the scripts in /etc/init.d to get your system locked down |
| 18:23.46 | |V\oNK | nice zinx |
| 18:23.53 | |V\oNK | just saw that |
| 18:23.54 | danIG | okay... I am bad about this... sorry for asking before googling |
| 18:24.04 | hologram | danIG: chmod 644 the services you wont be using afterwards |
| 18:24.22 | hologram | or remove them completely .. etc |
| 18:24.30 | Wyzard | |V\oNK: ipw2200 is pretty straightforward, just install the firmware, but for ipw3945 you need some special binary-only daemon and I don't know if that's packaged yet |
| 18:24.49 | Wyzard | |V\oNK: I've never used a 3945 myself though |
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| 18:24.56 | utab | karsten, sorry I had to leave for a while can you repeat that please |
| 18:24.58 | danIG | I have the problem with people trying to login via sshd (which I need) and I wanted to change the port but when I restarted the thing it still runs on port 22... |
| 18:25.13 | CharminTheMoose | question, |
| 18:25.16 | karsten | utab: /lastlog |
| 18:25.16 | hologram | danIG: how did you change the port and how did you restart it? |
| 18:25.21 | cahoot | danIG: get fail2ban |
| 18:25.28 | |V\oNK | did i type 3945?? i ment 2915 the intel a/b/g |
| 18:25.28 | CharminTheMoose | where are the actual files stage 1 and stage 2 kept? |
| 18:25.34 | CharminTheMoose | isn't it like /usr |
| 18:25.43 | CharminTheMoose | well somewhere in usr? |
| 18:25.45 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: /boot usually. |
| 18:25.46 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: The point of the questions people were asking you is: why are you trying to compile GRUB and the kernel from source, instead of using the packages? |
| 18:25.55 | |V\oNK | i get the firmware from sourceforge right widrone |
| 18:26.05 | |V\oNK | Wyzard, ** ^ |
| 18:26.10 | Tuxguy | craigevil, installed flashplayer9, went from having weird sounds to no sounds |
| 18:26.27 | CharminTheMoose | Wyzard,so i can edit them to my needs |
| 18:26.27 | craigevil | what browser? |
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| 18:26.42 | Wyzard | |V\oNK: yes |
| 18:27.01 | Tuxguy | craigevil, Firefox |
| 18:27.02 | danIG | maybe I should install a firewall... |
| 18:27.05 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: You're making custom code changes to an old version of the kernel? |
| 18:27.14 | craigevil | what does about:config show |
| 18:27.22 | CharminTheMoose | Wyzard yes. |
| 18:27.24 | Tuxguy | craigeveil, want me to paste it to pastebin? |
| 18:27.36 | CharminTheMoose | because i plan on putting it onto a floppy diskette |
| 18:27.41 | CharminTheMoose | so i need it small |
| 18:27.43 | craigevil | does it show Flash 9? |
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| 18:27.58 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 18:28.08 | Tuxguy | craigevil, checking right now.... made all of the flash sights really really small to read installing it |
| 18:28.12 | Wyzard | no need to reinvent the wheel |
| 18:28.29 | |V\oNK | thanks Wyzard |
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| 18:29.43 | craigevil | Tuxguy: what Debian release are you using? |
| 18:30.03 | Tuxguy | craigevil, 3r1 |
| 18:30.26 | Tuxguy | craigevil, I don't see anything about the flash player in about:config |
| 18:30.57 | utab | karsten, if I send the first 5 pages it prints for instance but if I increase that to 10, then I start to have problems, btw the printer is a windows printer and in the mean time I try to print I am cheking the windows printers box, even if I send a 500 KB document it gives a message spooling but the size of the document gets much more larger than my actual document |
| 18:31.00 | craigevil | Go to your firefox profile folder in your home and delete plugin.dat with firefox closed |
| 18:31.32 | craigevil | then restart Firefox and check it again |
| 18:31.45 | SerajewelKS | stoned: you still there? |
| 18:32.15 | utab | karsten, last friday I got a 65 document print out in nearly one hour |
| 18:32.24 | _zfr_ | i just installed debian etch testing, Control Center in kde is empty, some1 told me to pick up kdelibs from unstable, but how? iv got testing sources |
| 18:32.31 | utab | karsten, 65 pages document sorry |
| 18:32.37 | Tuxguy | craigevil, starting fire fox now....... all my system sounds work.. but nothing else...cds dont play sound.... etc either |
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| 18:32.53 | Tuxguy | is plugin.dat the same as pluginreg.dat? |
| 18:33.16 | craigevil | yes |
| 18:33.22 | CharminTheMoose | is the compressed bzimage in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot? |
| 18:33.41 | _JusSx_ | CharminTheMoose: no |
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| 18:34.07 | Tuxguy | Delete the one in ~/.mozilla/plugins or in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ ? |
| 18:34.14 | CharminTheMoose | then wheree is it? |
| 18:34.20 | CharminTheMoose | after you compile the kernel |
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| 18:34.32 | esod_ | How to detect my Silicon Image 3114 hw raid0 as one disk? Currently using 2.6.17 kernel. It detects my disks as two seperate |
| 18:34.32 | _JusSx_ | CharminTheMoose: yeah bzImage is there |
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| 18:34.41 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: Assuming your kernel source is in /usr/src/linux and you've done "make bzImage", yes, it's in there |
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| 18:34.43 | craigevil | ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 18:34.54 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 18:34.55 | CharminTheMoose | coolies |
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| 18:34.59 | Tuxguy | whoops |
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| 18:36.30 | Tuxguy | craigevil, Ok, restarted it... the sites look better, but no sound still :( |
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| 18:38.25 | m6s | people hello |
| 18:38.29 | m6s | I have a BIG PROBLEM |
| 18:38.33 | m6s | i try to exlude a package |
| 18:38.35 | hologram | yes hello |
| 18:38.40 | m6s | from my apt-get upgrade |
| 18:38.46 | m6s | how do I do ? |
| 18:38.50 | m6s | I have edgy |
| 18:39.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:39.07 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:39.12 | hologram | this is debian |
| 18:39.31 | hologram | speak not of this edgy |
| 18:40.10 | m6s | hollywoodstar, its apt problem |
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| 18:40.13 | m6s | not edgy |
| 18:40.16 | m6s | or debian |
| 18:40.31 | m6s | I try hours now to figure a way how to exlude packages |
| 18:40.40 | Tuxguy | craigevil, :( |
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| 18:40.57 | m6s | and in the google, i find different confs, and few notes |
| 18:41.00 | m6s | in the footers |
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| 18:42.33 | john83 | why does aptitude want to remove k3b ? |
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| 18:43.07 | burnix | anybody can help me? |
| 18:43.26 | Shinomura | anybody can help me? |
| 18:43.38 | Tallu | Shinomura: no. |
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| 18:44.14 | Shinomura | Ok |
| 18:44.19 | Tallu | !tell Shinomura about ask |
| 18:44.47 | sng | Shinomura: http://serenity.scarynetworkguy.net:8084/rememberkids.jpg # That'll solve all your problems. |
| 18:44.48 | yassine | why is the zaptel-module marked as unavialabe ? |
| 18:46.11 | karsten | What's a good Perl code formatter? |
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| 18:56.30 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 18:57.58 | DevilChaos | im now having trouble with my laptop battery i get just around and hour life out of it when it should be at least three i must need something to combat this is there anything i should be looking at to sort it out? |
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| 18:58.31 | DevilChaos | i have apm and apmd installed |
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| 18:59.42 | karsten | Hrm. 'aptitude update' is hanging at: 99% [11 Sources bzip2 0] |
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| 19:00.45 | xingu | DevilChaos: cpufreq, conservative governor, and relevant clock scaling module (powernow/centrino) |
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| 19:01.26 | xingu | DevilChaos: and unless the hardware and kernel are both ancient, you probably want acpi, not apm |
| 19:02.00 | sqrxz | hi, I can't get my .Xdefaults to work setting rxvt*background, I put rxvt*background: black, but it doesn't apply? |
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| 19:02.49 | jelly-home | sqrxz: works for me: rxvt.background:black |
| 19:03.05 | jelly-home | sqrxz: note dot not asterisk |
| 19:03.26 | sqrxz | ah solution was xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 19:05.44 | karsten | jelly-home: IIRC one is a directory? |
| 19:05.57 | jelly-home | karsten: nope |
| 19:06.05 | DevilChaos | bbl ty :) |
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| 19:06.43 | karsten | jelly-home: I think they're largely interchangable then. Much as .xinitrc and .Xsession are, though one's aimed at XDMish instances and the other at startxish type ones. |
| 19:06.55 | karsten | jelly-home: I generally symlink 'em together. |
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| 19:12.29 | heh_v_water | I'm trying to get mythtv working using etch.. I've everything but my capture card working and the init script tosses this error when i fire it up.. Session management error: Could not open network socket |
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| 19:13.31 | linuxwolf | hi |
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| 19:14.28 | linuxwolf | i want to use some windows aplication (peer2mail ) , and is no one like it in windows that is ok , for what i want |
| 19:14.40 | linuxwolf | i proved with wine , but fails |
| 19:14.45 | itclanster | question: i had used link "/home/win /home/user/Desktop/win " to create a link to a mounted drive .. now i want to remove that link..but when i delete it it says not on the same file system and i m not able to delete that link..can some one tell me how to do that. |
| 19:15.10 | linuxwolf | i want to virtualize a entire windows system |
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| 19:15.29 | linuxwolf | i know that wmware is good for this |
| 19:16.00 | stoned | linuxwolf, it works well if you have a dual core |
| 19:16.01 | linuxwolf | vmware |
| 19:16.29 | linuxwolf | Quemu is better or is best to use vmware |
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| 19:16.56 | daedalus_ | linuxwolf: vmware works well in general. I've had good experiences with it. |
| 19:16.59 | stoned | that depends, oss or closed source |
| 19:17.04 | stoned | your pick |
| 19:17.08 | Shinomura | can i conect to my msn with my terminal? |
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| 19:17.32 | linuxwolf | shinomura : apt-get install amsn |
| 19:17.44 | linuxwolf | amsn is the linux msn |
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| 19:18.20 | linuxwolf | or you can use gaim |
| 19:18.40 | Shinomura | linuxwolf: but i want conect to msn whit konsole |
| 19:18.46 | Shinomura | with konsole* |
| 19:18.52 | Shinomura | can I? |
| 19:19.03 | linuxwolf | i dont know |
| 19:19.14 | Shinomura | OK |
| 19:19.31 | craigevil | you can try cerntericq it runs in konsole/terminal |
| 19:19.35 | Shinomura | because i can't go to my desktop virtual |
| 19:19.43 | yassine | im having this problem while trying to install zaptell on a Debian Etch box : Zaptel telephony kernel driver: FATAL: Module ztdummy not found. any ideas which package contains it ? |
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| 19:19.58 | Shinomura | my compuer say "Read-only file system" |
| 19:20.03 | Shinomura | do you know what is it? |
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| 19:20.13 | sqrxz | good image viewing program? |
| 19:20.21 | tarzeau | feh |
| 19:20.24 | linuxwolf | no |
| 19:20.34 | Shinomura | am ok |
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| 19:20.45 | karsten | sqrxz: imagemagick's 'display', several others. |
| 19:20.50 | Tallu | Shinomura: http://www.freshports.org/net-im/cli-msn/ i havent tried it.. but it might work :) |
| 19:21.00 | linuxwolf | i can use xen too , for virtualization |
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| 19:21.04 | linuxwolf | no ? |
| 19:21.09 | Shinomura | wok thanks |
| 19:21.12 | p3rti | hi.. i have a ps file.. with some tables.. i need edit them.. how can i import this file to a odt document like openoffice |
| 19:21.17 | Shinomura | i will go now,. bye |
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| 19:21.31 | SerajewelKS | stoned: yo |
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| 19:22.23 | stoned | SerajewelKS, oy |
| 19:22.38 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i clocked it down to spec, 400mhz core, 1ghz ram, still having the issue but not as often/severe |
| 19:23.00 | ribnitz | heyas. Any known problems with sound on a pre-built (linux-imge) 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 19:23.00 | p3rti | maybe shinomura_out must know.. he is a hacker :P |
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| 19:25.14 | SerajewelKS | stoned: so i'm not sure what to do about it |
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| 19:25.20 | maher | p3rti: you can't edit .ps files in general - you could load them as pictures and draw over them |
| 19:25.30 | stoned | SerajewelKS, maybe it is already damaged in some way |
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| 19:25.40 | stoned | never overclock without proper cooling beforehand |
| 19:25.41 | p3rti | maher, but can i copy the information inside the ps? |
| 19:25.49 | p3rti | maher, like a table!.. |
| 19:26.09 | maher | p3rti: no - except in very special circumstances |
| 19:26.34 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i wasn't overclocking the card specifically, i raised the FSB to what the CPU spec said it should be |
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| 19:27.17 | p3rti | maher, there is any way to do that? |
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| 19:27.42 | acad | i have a symlink in cron.hourly to a script and it doesn't seem to be executing once an hour, it's been in for at least a few hours |
| 19:27.48 | stoned | SerajewelKS, #hardware |
| 19:27.55 | SerajewelKS | stoned: :< |
| 19:28.04 | maher | p3rti: look in you ps file with a text editor - if you see somethingthat looks like a table you might be able to extract the info |
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| 19:28.10 | stoned | I have to play Oblivion buddy |
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| 19:28.19 | p3rti | maher, :S |
| 19:28.23 | p3rti | maher, i'm gonna try |
| 19:28.26 | stoned | got shit to do, monsters to kill, spells to cast, etc. |
| 19:28.39 | maher | acad: is the script executable |
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| 19:29.12 | acad | -rw-r--r-- |
| 19:29.21 | Kakarot_ | where is this evil haxor :) |
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| 19:29.32 | tonyb2007 | what kinda haxxor |
| 19:29.40 | cafuego | 1337 h4xx0rz |
| 19:29.42 | Kakarot_ | I dunno some one sid there was an evil haxxor over here haha |
| 19:29.53 | maher | acad: chmod a+x scriptname |
| 19:29.59 | acad | yea, i just realized that |
| 19:30.05 | acad | hehe, thanks... |
| 19:30.24 | cafuego | tonyb2007: Ah, xss haxor |
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| 19:30.46 | tonyb2007 | cross site scripting?! WHEEW |
| 19:30.49 | tonyb2007 | WHERE* |
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| 19:32.13 | jelly-home | counterstrike haxxor? |
| 19:32.43 | jelly-home | comp.sci? Crazy Swede? |
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| 19:33.35 | tonyb2007 | jelly-home: im an ex (as in, i dont do that anymore) counterstrike haxxor |
| 19:34.05 | jelly-home | An ax is a common hacking tool, yes. |
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| 19:34.20 | zinx_ | !ops pOLice!n=MeSSenGe@88.242.192.177 is spamming "Free Porno Videos" on join |
| 19:34.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx_ complains about: pOLice!n=MeSSenGe@88.242.192.177 is spamming "Free Porno Videos" on join |
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| 19:37.06 | blicky | hello what apt-get install do i need to just play a wav file from command prompt? |
| 19:37.20 | tonyb2007 | alsaplayer perhaps |
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| 19:37.33 | blicky | cool thanks looking |
| 19:37.44 | marculix | bplay too |
| 19:38.35 | blicky | i have no guii installed alsplayer looks like it need a gui |
| 19:38.52 | tonyb2007 | alsaplayer-text? |
| 19:39.18 | blicky | i dont have xwindows installed nor want it |
| 19:39.27 | maher | blicky: try sox |
| 19:39.52 | abrotman | mpg123 or 321 .. whichever it is |
| 19:40.04 | abrotman | maybe cplay |
| 19:40.08 | cahoot | blicky: aplay does what you want |
| 19:40.14 | tonyb2007 | aplay does raw files |
| 19:40.22 | tonyb2007 | some wavs are funky in that they are compressed |
| 19:40.26 | cahoot | aplay does wavs |
| 19:40.40 | tonyb2007 | PCM wavs |
| 19:40.43 | xingu | if you get lucky, cat >/dev/dsp |
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| 19:41.10 | xingu | I'm guessing that "studio quality reproduction" is not the goal here |
| 19:41.28 | blicky | not even close |
| 19:41.35 | blicky | just need to play a wav |
| 19:41.37 | tonyb2007 | if they are uncompressed (PCM) waves |
| 19:41.41 | tonyb2007 | aplay will do fine |
| 19:41.56 | tonyb2007 | *ding* my kernel is done :D |
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| 19:44.33 | xmoogle | hiya, i was wondering if what i read somewhere was true...that sarge would be the last debian to support the arm architecture |
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| 19:45.56 | abrotman | xmoogle: there are requirements architectures have to meet in order to be released |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 19:46.38 | abrotman | xmoogle: i don't know the current list of architectures to be released |
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| 19:49.08 | xmoogle | ooh, that makes it sound like dropped architectures from stable will still be maintained as unstable |
| 19:49.11 | xmoogle | which is a good thing |
| 19:49.14 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a problem compiling bash-3.0 |
| 19:49.46 | sqrxz | which linux dist does Google use? |
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| 19:50.12 | xmoogle | i think i heard they have their own version for internal use? |
| 19:50.29 | adamt | probably based on ubuntu, or something like that.. |
| 19:50.44 | sqrxz | the servers run ubuntu? |
| 19:50.47 | adamt | goobuntu :p |
| 19:50.58 | adamt | sqrxz: Probably not... |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | xmoogle: yes |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | adamt: doubtful |
| 19:51.16 | adamt | sqrxz: what xmoogle meant was (i think) for their workstations... |
| 19:51.27 | abrotman | no .. he meant for their servers |
| 19:51.28 | sqrxz | yeah, I mean for their servers |
| 19:52.01 | sqrxz | too bad netcraft doesn't display more info than "Linux" |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | sqrxz: i'd think googling would reveal |
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| 19:52.11 | CharminTheMoose | anyone here having/had problems compiling bash-3.0 or does my environment suck? |
| 19:52.14 | adamt | what does it matter anyways? |
| 19:52.36 | adamt | CharminTheMoose: you _could_ paste the errormessage on a pastebin and show us... |
| 19:52.42 | karrotx | i've asked that question to many google people |
| 19:52.42 | karrotx | it's a secret |
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| 19:53.11 | adamt | probably something illegal in the states - like the old lindows :p |
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| 19:54.04 | abrotman | adamt: wtf |
| 19:54.28 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/252633 if anyone wants to take a lookie |
| 19:54.58 | CharminTheMoose | ./configure --enable-static-link --enable-minimal-config --host=i386-pc-linux-gnu |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | why are yu compiling it ? |
| 19:55.06 | xmoogle | abrotman, am not a he :P |
| 19:55.07 | CharminTheMoose | is the command i used to configure it |
| 19:55.29 | abrotman | xmoogle: you weren't the object of the 'he' |
| 19:55.36 | xmoogle | oh ok |
| 19:55.40 | xmoogle | hard to keep up at times :) |
| 19:55.51 | CharminTheMoose | because i want it small abrotman |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | but you're building it static ? |
| 19:56.05 | CharminTheMoose | i'm making a root disk |
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| 19:56.19 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos i can't be arsed to get all of the libs in yet |
| 19:56.25 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: apt-cache show bash-static |
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| 19:57.50 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to compile it statically? |
| 19:57.53 | adamt | xmoogle: don't tell the geeks that you are female - you will be flooded with PMs in a short while asking for age and location |
| 19:57.56 | xmoogle | trying to install debian on my zaurus at the moment |
| 19:58.20 | xmoogle | adamt, does it help if i only like girls? |
| 19:58.35 | adamt | xmoogle: No, that'll just make it worse |
| 19:58.39 | CharminTheMoose | http://tldp.org/LDP/Pocket-Linux-Guide/Pocket-Linux-Guide.txt is the guide i'm following |
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| 19:58.44 | xmoogle | eep |
| 19:58.47 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: apt-cache show bash-static |
| 19:58.53 | abrotman | xmoogle: there's a distro for that IIRC |
| 19:58.57 | abrotman | opie i think it's called |
| 19:59.00 | karsten | xmoogle: If I had memory that sucked I'd vacuum more often. |
| 19:59.33 | adamt | xmoogle: You have to say that you are ugly and fat, or at least a hermaphrodite |
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| 19:59.52 | aalex | hi |
| 19:59.52 | xmoogle | abrotman, i've tried many alternate OSes for this machine, all have so far annoyed me, i'm now planning on following a friend's instructions for installing debian in a sort-of-chroot :) |
| 19:59.57 | cockroach | xmoogle: ... and maybe using windows or suse... (shutting up already) |
| 20:00.01 | aalex | is there a package for http://www.openscenegraph.org/ ? I dont see any |
| 20:00.05 | abrotman | xmoogle: okeedokee |
| 20:00.16 | abrotman | cockroach: windows doesn't run on the zaurus .. nice troll |
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| 20:00.32 | xmoogle | abrotman, i heard windows ce can, but still, ewwwww |
| 20:00.34 | cockroach | abrotman: heh, i wasn't talking about the zaurus, actually. |
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| 20:00.39 | abrotman | !info openscenegraph sid |
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| 20:00.43 | abrotman | cockroach: xmoogle is |
| 20:00.47 | dpkg | openscenegraph: (3D scenegraph binary files), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1672 kB, Installed size: 4804 kB |
| 20:00.53 | xmoogle | i avoid windows as much as i can |
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| 20:01.01 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: I'd say you're either missing -dev libs or have the wrong versions. Where'd you get bash sources? |
| 20:01.06 | cockroach | abrotman: that's why i added the "shutting up" part. never mind. |
| 20:01.08 | xmoogle | am proud of the fact that my current desktop has, in it's life, never been dirtied with it's presence |
| 20:01.32 | xmoogle | debian then freebsd |
| 20:01.35 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:I got it from alpha.gnu.org |
| 20:01.40 | abrotman | and i'm not aware of suse running on anything other than x86, amd64, and maybe ppc anymore |
| 20:01.51 | amrnet_ | is there a special module i need to connect my digital camera? |
| 20:02.15 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 20:02.15 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 20:02.15 | karsten | abrotman: zSeries. |
| 20:02.15 | DevilChaos | hi acpi is disabled on my laptop because it is i586 when i installed via net install first parameters entered were expert26 acpi=off so what else is there to handle my battery other than acpi and apm? |
| 20:02.15 | karsten | abrotman: ... which may count as ppc. |
| 20:02.15 | amrnet_ | thanx |
| 20:02.15 | abrotman | karsten: it does |
| 20:02.23 | CharminTheMoose | karsten,my apologies |
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| 20:02.31 | CharminTheMoose | i got it from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bash/ |
| 20:02.37 | abrotman | karsten: afaik anyways |
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| 20:02.56 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: use debian sources |
| 20:02.56 | abrotman | DevilChaos: that's about it |
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| 20:03.21 | DevilChaos | fuck sake so im stuck with apm |
| 20:03.28 | Pimpindistress | What is the command to configure the X server? |
| 20:03.30 | CharminTheMoose | Guerin:why? |
| 20:03.32 | ribnitz | Are there any known issues with sound in 2.6.18 kernels; since I swiched form 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 my sound apps die with a segfault? |
| 20:03.39 | abrotman | !drxx Pimpindistress |
| 20:03.39 | dpkg | Pimpindistress: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:03.44 | karsten | xmoogle: Look up the Vancouver Proposal WRT Debian arch support. Arm's going to stay on AFAIK though it may become secondary (net effect: not much). |
| 20:03.47 | abrotman | DevilChaos: or nothing? :) |
| 20:04.10 | karsten | Pimpindistress: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xorg|xfree86) |
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| 20:04.13 | DevilChaos | can i turn on acpi on ? will my laptop just die at boot if i do that? |
| 20:04.16 | karsten | Pimpindistress: Depends on which you've got installed. |
| 20:04.22 | xmoogle | yay :) i wanna keep debian running on my zaurus.. |
| 20:04.26 | karsten | DevilChaos: Might. Shouldn't do permanent harm. |
| 20:04.29 | Pimpindistress | Karsten, not sure.. whatever comes with Debian 3r1 |
| 20:04.34 | ribnitz | DevilChaos: that depnds on your laptop. |
| 20:04.38 | amrnet_ | ok both modules are loaded usb_storage and sd_mod |
| 20:04.38 | DevilChaos | i need to monitor the battery though ? |
| 20:04.42 | abrotman | DevilChaos: more than likely . it'll either boot or not |
| 20:04.46 | karsten | Pimpindistress: xfree86 for sarge. |
| 20:04.53 | Pimpindistress | ty |
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| 20:05.20 | amrnet_ | exit |
| 20:06.09 | DevilChaos | isnt there a prog that will just let me look at the battery staus or is that in acpi and apm? |
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| 20:06.26 | abrotman | afaik .. that's acpi/apm |
| 20:06.33 | tarzeau | hey abrotman |
| 20:06.42 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:06.44 | DevilChaos | shit |
| 20:07.00 | Tuxguy | Last night, I got an error saying that Fixed fonts wasn't installed when trying to boot X..... so I installed it, and everything worked fine. rebooted the machine earlier, and its giving the same error now. |
| 20:07.02 | DevilChaos | thats pretty shit |
| 20:07.07 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/252639 |
| 20:07.15 | CharminTheMoose | is the error message i get |
| 20:07.28 | DevilChaos | abrotman: have you had dealings with card readers? |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | nope |
| 20:07.41 | karsten | xmoogle: The main impacts IIRC are that lack of arch support won't hold up the next stable release, not all mirrors will be obliged to carry secondary arches, and possibly some buildd (Debian package build servers) implications. |
| 20:07.42 | DevilChaos | flash cards i mean not swipe |
| 20:08.12 | abrotman | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg usb storage .. should work the same |
| 20:08.15 | karsten | DevilChaos: acpi / apm. Anything that reports battery stats will need one or the other for the /proc entries. |
| 20:08.21 | xmoogle | karsten, thanks :) |
| 20:08.55 | xmoogle | does that mean it would be a good idea to make sure the debian i'm running on the zaurus is "unstable"? |
| 20:08.57 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/252639 is the error messages i get when i try to build bash from source |
| 20:09.08 | karsten | xmoogle: probably. |
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| 20:09.18 | Tuxguy | Anyone know why after installing the Fixed fonts, it worked fine..then rebooting made it say they were missing? |
| 20:09.20 | DevilChaos | still have lots to overcome with this fucking laptop sound,wireless,battery of couese |
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| 20:09.34 | xmoogle | thought so...i have to upgrade through testing first don't i? |
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| 20:10.12 | DevilChaos | xmoogle: no |
| 20:10.34 | cockroach | DevilChaos: but that's the fun part of having a laptop. good old getting things to work.. :) |
| 20:10.37 | DevilChaos | just add it in apt.sources |
| 20:10.41 | xmoogle | oh ok, i thought i remembered reading that starting at stable you should distupgrade to testing then unstable |
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| 20:11.12 | DevilChaos | yeah i know just getting alittle frustrated |
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| 20:11.46 | cockroach | DevilChaos: heh, yep, happens occasionally. what kind of laptop is it? |
| 20:12.00 | tarzeau | cockroach: hey |
| 20:12.13 | tarzeau | cockroach: kommst 1. dez, www.lug-ag.ch ? |
| 20:12.15 | cockroach | tarzeau: hey! |
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| 20:12.16 | abrotman | DevilChaos: why doesn't APM work |
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| 20:12.20 | DevilChaos | its an asus a6rp |
| 20:12.23 | cockroach | tarzeau: sorry no, i'm in france atm |
| 20:12.32 | tarzeau | cockroach: ah that's nice too :) |
| 20:12.37 | tarzeau | cockroach: where in france? |
| 20:12.43 | cockroach | tarzeau: annecy. |
| 20:12.49 | DevilChaos | em because it doesnt distinguish between ac power and battery |
| 20:13.16 | DevilChaos | just shows the plug icon all the time |
| 20:13.36 | tuv | why would deskbar-applet recommend python-soappy? |
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| 20:14.15 | tarzeau | cockroach: will you try my new livecd.gnustep.org when you're back? |
| 20:14.15 | cockroach | DevilChaos: just out of curiosity: did you have the battery installed in the laptop when you booted it? if you don't things like that are likely to happen... |
| 20:14.52 | cockroach | tarzeau: sure. haven't used gnustep for a while, but i'll gladly return to where i come from :) |
| 20:14.54 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/252639 is the error messages i get when i try to build bash from source |
| 20:15.02 | DevilChaos | yeah battery was put in when i got the thing |
| 20:15.17 | DevilChaos | before i even installed debian |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | apm is flaky |
| 20:15.29 | abrotman | not that acpi is much better(certianly not in the early dayS) |
| 20:15.32 | DevilChaos | yup it is flaky its shit |
| 20:15.32 | cockroach | DevilChaos: okay then, sorry for bothering... |
| 20:15.53 | DevilChaos | sorry dude didnt mean for a bad tone |
| 20:16.12 | cockroach | abrotman: i actually had better experiences with apm than with acpi, that is, except for my current thinkpad which is just great with acpi... |
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| 20:16.13 | DevilChaos | :> |
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| 20:16.29 | abrotman | cockroach: depends on the age of the hardware |
| 20:17.00 | cockroach | DevilChaos: heh, didn't take your tone as being bad - maybe mine was :) |
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| 20:17.09 | cockroach | abrotman: i suppose... |
| 20:17.15 | DevilChaos | yeah i wanted a really flash one and didnt think it through properly |
| 20:17.37 | DevilChaos | or just may seem that way tilli get things to work |
| 20:17.50 | DevilChaos | damn typos he he |
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| 20:22.40 | tonyb2006 | :D |
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| 20:24.50 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: why not? |
| 20:25.19 | Led_Zeppelin | trying to do apt-get upgrade, and I keep getting script errors, so I did a apt-get -f install |
| 20:26.14 | Led_Zeppelin | not really sure how to fix it...here is my error (http://pastebin.com/828318) |
| 20:26.17 | Led_Zeppelin | any ideas? |
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| 20:27.29 | abrotman | stop using pastebin.com |
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| 20:27.41 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: use what? then, #flood ? |
| 20:27.47 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:27.47 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:27.50 | abrotman | or pastebin.ca |
| 20:28.09 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:28.09 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:28.12 | Led_Zeppelin | ok |
| 20:28.22 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: you think its a bug/ |
| 20:28.23 | Led_Zeppelin | ? |
| 20:28.32 | Galga | hi |
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| 20:29.01 | abrotman | it doesn't look like one to you ? |
| 20:29.05 | Lakez | is there a way to know if you'rein 'sudoers' without the attempt? |
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| 20:29.38 | Led_Zeppelin | http://pastebin.ca/252657 |
| 20:30.00 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: not sure, I though I was doing something wrong, needed another pair of eyes look at it :-/ |
| 20:30.33 | Led_Zeppelin | Lakez: nope, don't think so |
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| 20:35.25 | ribnitz | I have ap roblem with sound on a 2.6.18 kernel (sid, prebuilt). Any sound app will die on a segfault. ideas? |
| 20:36.26 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: fixed the problem |
| 20:36.29 | enouf | someone rang? |
| 20:36.32 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: okay |
| 20:36.56 | Miles_Pr0wer | http://tails.kicks-ass.net/gateway.txt <-- tested and functional on Debian. |
| 20:37.08 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: eagles are sucking today :-( |
| 20:37.14 | Miles_Pr0wer | use 'BUM' to install unless you're ready to rcupdate. |
| 20:37.19 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: they suck .. always :) |
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| 20:37.36 | Led_Zeppelin | today, McNabb is out...knee injury. |
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| 20:38.03 | Sylwek32 | hello |
| 20:38.10 | jeff__ | can someone help me witha dual booted machine? i had linux and debian sarge running off of the same hard drive, but when i reformatted the windows partition, the boot menu no longer comes up |
| 20:38.19 | Sylwek32 | need some help at making a jail for a program... |
| 20:38.30 | Led_Zeppelin | jeff__: need to redo your MBR |
| 20:38.31 | Led_Zeppelin | !MBR |
| 20:38.31 | dpkg | mbr is, like, the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 20:38.50 | Sylwek32 | can somebody help me? |
| 20:38.52 | jeff__ | Led_Zeppelin: thank you |
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| 20:39.22 | Sylwek32 | i want to make a "chroot" and cage for a program because it sould only have access to its own folder... REALLY IMPORTANT! |
| 20:39.35 | Led_Zeppelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.40 | enouf | wait .. you can't be a true zep fan and like football 'that' much ! .. that's like saying you love jimi hendrix b/c you saw and liked the recent victoria secrets commercial |
| 20:39.51 | Sylwek32 | i want to make it only have access to its own folder |
| 20:39.59 | Sylwek32 | for example /var/myfolder only |
| 20:40.03 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf: what commerical :-) |
| 20:40.04 | enouf | which is excellent btw :-) |
| 20:40.21 | enouf | better start watching .. |
| 20:40.50 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe, big Zeppelin + Football + Unix fan....i am ideal |
| 20:40.50 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe |
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| 20:40.58 | Sylwek32 | so i want to deny access to ../../ for example.. |
| 20:41.04 | Miles_Pr0wer | (updated script to add a turn-off for ipv4 forwarding on STOP) |
| 20:41.07 | Sylwek32 | "program jail" |
| 20:41.16 | enouf | If only you were female .. |
| 20:41.18 | dn4 | A fan? Doesn't that just blow air around? |
| 20:41.18 | Miles_Pr0wer | might wanna reload if you grabbed it |
| 20:41.43 | Led_Zeppelin | lol @ enouf |
| 20:41.43 | Sylwek32 | Plz help |
| 20:41.43 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf: and pot! |
| 20:41.47 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:42.48 | Sylwek32 | oh man.... |
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| 20:42.57 | Sylwek32 | nobody hears to me here :D |
| 20:42.59 | Zap-W | anyone know what is the " [=====>...............] resync = 25.5% (2338816/9142208) finish=22.1min speed=5124K/sec" in /proc/mdstat , i just created a raid1 in md0 , should i wait till it reaches 100 percent before i shutdown the system? |
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| 20:43.19 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, It's synching the disks. |
| 20:43.25 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, always a good idea to wait. |
| 20:43.35 | Zap-W | what is there to synching |
| 20:43.38 | Sylwek32 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 20:43.39 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, (making them identical) |
| 20:43.43 | ribnitz | Is it normal ot get a segfalut when trying to access /dev/zero? |
| 20:43.54 | Zap-W | Miles_Pr0wer, how ? |
| 20:43.57 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, 0=0,1=1 all the way across the disks. |
| 20:44.00 | Sylwek32 | so could anyone help me at making a program jail? |
| 20:44.08 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, bit by bit. |
| 20:44.25 | Zap-W | slow |
| 20:44.28 | abrotman | largely depends on the program |
| 20:44.35 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, Yes, but only really needed once. |
| 20:44.38 | |ryan| | Zap-W: it's OK to shut down. |
| 20:44.38 | Sylwek32 | z¦ |
| 20:44.42 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, unless you have severe troubles. |
| 20:44.50 | |ryan| | it will just continue where it left off. |
| 20:45.05 | Zap-W | |ryan|, oh , how do i resume later |
| 20:45.12 | Miles_Pr0wer | |ryan|, Oh, yea. it's a raid1. I know some raid5's dont handle it well. |
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| 20:45.21 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, It'll automatically start up. |
| 20:45.32 | |ryan| | Zap-W: the kernel raid driver will take care of it automaticly. |
| 20:45.40 | |ryan| | it keeps track of where it is. |
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| 20:46.05 | |ryan| | it's awfully slow, though.... what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 20:46.43 | Zap-W | i am just testing it , it's on the same Drive , 2 different partitions |
| 20:46.44 | Lord_Devi | I'm having a small terminal related problem I'm hoping someone might be able to help me with. Basically alot of my characters in tty aren't displaying properly.. |
| 20:47.09 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, be glad that's a test, or I would slap you. |
| 20:47.19 | Lord_Devi | In menuconfig for instance the borders are just ---'s and +'s. Also while compiling hte kernel, for some reason I see little ANSI squares once in a while, and they obviously shouldn't be there.. |
| 20:47.19 | enouf | Sylwek32: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Chroot.html .. google chroot jail |
| 20:47.22 | Miles_Pr0wer | Zap-W, raiding two partitions like that on the same drive is worthless. |
| 20:47.29 | Zap-W | i know |
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| 20:47.40 | Guerin | that won't stop him from doing it |
| 20:47.40 | Lord_Devi | I was thinking maybe I might be missing some termcap files or something, but I can't find anything of the sort in aptitude.. |
| 20:47.47 | Zap-W | mdadm has lots of options.. |
| 20:47.57 | Guerin | Zap-W never lets common sense or sanity get in his way. |
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| 20:48.43 | zOrK | how can I make a 'ls' avoiding certain files ending in .sh ? |
| 20:48.51 | Zap-W | ok i will reboot just to see what happens |
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| 20:49.13 | |ryan| | zOrK: ls -al | grep -v |
| 20:49.15 | |ryan| | er |
| 20:49.32 | |ryan| | zOrK: ls -al | grep -v .sh\$ |
| 20:49.40 | |ryan| | haven't tested that.... should work :) |
| 20:49.51 | zOrK | thanks |ryan| , let's try |
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| 20:50.47 | zOrK | it works |
| 20:50.51 | jamescarr | I have installed a debian based distro before and saw it autodetect and automount usb related crap whenever I plugged it in |
| 20:50.57 | jamescarr | any idea what package that is? |
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| 20:51.33 | jamescarr | something that just lets me use usb stuff like normal, instead of making me jump through hoops and acting like usb is some strange new alien technology ;) |
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| 20:52.51 | abrotman | gnome does it |
| 20:53.06 | zOrK | by the way |ryan| , what's the \$ for ? |
| 20:53.10 | zOrK | .sh\$ |
| 20:53.26 | |ryan| | $ means end of line... |
| 20:53.34 | zOrK | ok |
| 20:53.42 | zOrK | and the \? |
| 20:53.45 | jamescarr | abrotman, kde did it on the version I was using too |
| 20:53.51 | zOrK | nevermind, i got it |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | jamescarr: are you on debian now ? |
| 20:53.59 | |ryan| | but it's a sepcial character to most shells, so we need to tell the shell to ignore the special meaning, with an escape... the \ |
| 20:53.59 | jamescarr | yeah |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | with apt-get install kde ? |
| 20:54.09 | zOrK | cool |
| 20:54.13 | jamescarr | I already have kde |
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| 20:55.22 | enouf | jamescarr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:55.43 | zOrK | :D |
| 20:55.44 | abrotman | jamescarr: that didn't answer my question |
| 20:55.52 | abrotman | jamescarr: dpkg -l kde | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 20:56.19 | jamescarr | pn kde <none> (no description available) |
| 20:56.27 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:56.54 | jamescarr | result of cat /etc/debian_version: testing |
| 20:56.57 | abrotman | jamescarr: apt-get install kde |
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| 20:57.17 | jamescarr | alight |
| 20:57.36 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde the name of the package that does the automount-magic |
| 20:58.01 | dylan | What package do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to get change font rendering? e.g. if I've gone from a CRT to an LCD. |
| 20:58.19 | dylan | s/get // |
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| 20:58.39 | dylan | I thought it was fontconfig, but dpkg-reconfigure -p low fontconfig fails to ask me anything. |
| 21:01.42 | jamonation | anyone have experience with xen based vps and sarge->etch dist-upgrades? |
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| 21:02.39 | dylan | ah, I see. it's fontconfig-config. How unique. |
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| 21:04.45 | crono- | can i see the memory clockrate anywhere on linux? |
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| 21:05.56 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 21:05.56 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 21:06.56 | Zap-W | so how do i resume , an interrupted raid1 array |
| 21:07.02 | Zap-W | from sync.. |
| 21:07.04 | jamescarr | anyone ever code in ocaml? |
| 21:07.19 | tarzeau | jamescarr: ick |
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| 21:07.38 | jamescarr | that bad? |
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| 21:07.43 | pumpkin0 | Zap-W: SW or HW-RAID ? |
| 21:07.46 | tarzeau | jamescarr: yes |
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| 21:08.27 | Zap-W | pumpkin0, SW |
| 21:08.35 | njkt | Hi, I have a problem (don't we all?), when trying to get xserver-xorg working on my system (a laptop, lcd display, etc) i'm faced with just a blank screen and the system crashes. So i figure its due to the display modes not being valid or some such, but seeing as i'm unable to find the v-sync and h-sync settings I wonder if there is any other way to fix it? |
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| 21:09.34 | jamescarr | what makes ocaml stand out from other languages? |
| 21:09.36 | Zap-W | i rebooted and /proc/mdstat dosent show the array anymore |
| 21:10.44 | abrotman | jamescarr: ask them .. not us |
| 21:10.57 | abrotman | njkt: anything in the X log ? |
| 21:11.39 | tarzeau | jamescarr: i like objective'c |
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| 21:12.10 | azeem | tarzeau: how many projects have you written in obj-c? |
| 21:12.13 | njkt | abrotman: 2 sec, let me pull it up |
| 21:12.16 | tarzeau | azeem: two |
| 21:12.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:12.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 21:14.20 | giesen | is there a definitive guide on installing ipw3945 on etch? |
| 21:14.31 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 21:14.31 | dpkg | [ipw3945] http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:14.37 | abrotman | i don't think there's a package for it |
| 21:14.41 | giesen | cant get the alternative ieee80211 package to compile |
| 21:14.48 | abrotman | oh .. there's firmware |
| 21:14.52 | giesen | though I've installed both headers and kernel source |
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| 21:15.00 | abrotman | !info firmware-ipw3945 etch |
| 21:15.04 | dpkg | firmware-ipw3945: (Binary firmware for IPW3945), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.3 (etch), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 21:15.10 | njkt | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4547 |
| 21:15.12 | abrotman | which makes me think the driver is already compiled .. just needs firmware |
| 21:16.30 | abrotman | njkt: which video card ? |
| 21:16.34 | njkt | nvidia |
| 21:16.41 | abrotman | which one |
| 21:16.55 | njkt | 2 sec |
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| 21:17.13 | njkt | Geforce Go 6150 |
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| 21:17.38 | abrotman | does the vesa driver work ? |
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| 21:18.04 | Zap-W | anyone tried RAID on top of LVM? |
| 21:18.05 | njkt | 2 sec let me try |
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| 21:18.13 | BucWheat | hi all. how do i run fsck on my partitions? |
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| 21:18.42 | njkt | abrotman: no, crashed when tyring to "startx" |
| 21:18.44 | abrotman | which parition ? |
| 21:18.47 | BucWheat | my system is up and running but i need to run fsck on it while the fstab isn't loaded |
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| 21:18.53 | jamonation | BucWheat: unmount them, then fsck /dev/partition |
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| 21:19.16 | BucWheat | jamonation while live? /dev/sda2 is my /var partition and /dev/sda1 is my / partition |
| 21:19.18 | bariel | hello, i want to see what is in my /var/log/messages, i am surprissed that most of the lines are shown: Nov 19 13:16:07 phil -- MARK --, what does this mean? |
| 21:19.34 | BucWheat | jamonation so just umount /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 then fsck /dev/sda1 ... ? |
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| 21:19.41 | jamonation | BucWheat: well i'd do it from a livecd, or do it on bootup |
| 21:19.57 | abrotman | BucWheat: can you restart the box ? |
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| 21:20.03 | abrotman | BucWheat: and is it local ? |
| 21:20.09 | abrotman | !mark |
| 21:20.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mark is Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 21:20.44 | BucWheat | abrotman yea the box is local and i can restart it |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | BucWheat: what is sda1 and sda2 ? |
| 21:20.58 | enouf | tarzeau infernix ? ping |
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| 21:21.03 | infernix | pong |
| 21:21.10 | njkt | abrotman: it doesn't seem to be creating an xorg log |
| 21:21.13 | enouf | infernix: yo .. ok .. |
| 21:21.15 | g333k | Hi, I'm moving out all my files to english... so I need a script to replace the vocals with accent with the non-accent vocal... is it possible to do that? |
| 21:21.21 | abrotman | njkt: darn well should be |
| 21:21.27 | BucWheat | abrotman sda1 is / and sda2 is /var |
| 21:21.31 | njkt | i don't think its getting that far |
| 21:21.40 | abrotman | touch /forcefsck && touch /var/forcefsck && reboot |
| 21:21.51 | abrotman | or man shutdown |
| 21:21.52 | enouf | in the !ati factoid you and tarzeau discuss installing using the proprietary driver with Sarge |
| 21:21.57 | enouf | !ati |
| 21:21.57 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:22.14 | BucWheat | abrotman i get touch: cannot touch `/var/forcefsck': Read-only file system |
| 21:22.41 | enouf | Q .. (a) where's the "installer" ? (b) is Xorg a requirement ? infernix |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | then man shutdown |
| 21:22.58 | tarzeau | enouf: infernix? pong? |
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| 21:23.07 | enouf | tarzeau: ^^^ |
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| 21:23.33 | enouf | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt tarzeau .. in reference to that |
| 21:23.41 | infernix | thats old |
| 21:23.49 | enouf | oh .. how old? |
| 21:23.57 | tarzeau | enouf: i use the ati/ati-driver |
| 21:24.02 | infernix | what I do is I backport the fglrx drivers from etch to sarge |
| 21:24.06 | infernix | !simple sid backport |
| 21:24.06 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 21:24.07 | tarzeau | enouf: BUT the binary ati drivers cause problems |
| 21:24.16 | enouf | tarzeau: so is Etch and Xorg requirements |
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| 21:24.45 | enouf | infernix: ahh .. I see .. ok |
| 21:25.00 | infernix | but it's been a while since I backported to sarge, so ymmv |
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| 21:25.43 | infernix | and I don't recall backporting to xfree 4.3 so I do recommend using xorg |
| 21:25.45 | infernix | from bpo |
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| 21:26.19 | enouf | infernix: ok .. do we need the proprietary crap from ati.com? if so where? .. their site really stinks (especially now that amd got it's hands on it) .. can't navigate anywhere using a decent browser |
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| 21:26.41 | njkt | abrotman: it appears to be working... except... the screen is completely black (then oddly changes colors slowly to white) and disallows input to exit X |
| 21:26.54 | infernix | enouf: nope, just add a deb-src line for etch which includes main contrib non-free and then apt-get update;apt-get build-dep fglrx-driver; apt-get -b source fglrx-driver |
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| 21:26.56 | enouf | infernix: ahh .. so a Sarge only install would need to upgrade to Xorg .. I see |
| 21:27.07 | enouf | infernix: thanks man :-) |
| 21:27.10 | abrotman | njkt: with nv or vesa ? |
| 21:27.13 | infernix | anyway, I have to go, got female company here. good luck:) |
| 21:27.14 | njkt | vesa |
| 21:27.20 | abrotman | pick a lower resoution ? |
| 21:27.47 | enouf | where'd he go? |
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| 21:28.44 | BucWheat | abrotman how often should one fsck ? |
| 21:28.52 | njkt | abrotman: no such luck |
| 21:29.00 | abrotman | BucWheat: depends |
| 21:29.01 | Zap-W | it dosent resume from where it left off , it starts all over the resync |
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| 21:29.37 | BucWheat | abrotman is there a way to allow normal users the ability to fsck? it is a pain having to drive out to a location to fsck a box |
| 21:29.48 | stmz | quit |
| 21:30.07 | BucWheat | abrotman if i could have a grub option that would allow them to fsck / and /var and fix all errors automatically that would be sweet |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | BucWheat: shouldn't fsck with stuff mounted |
| 21:30.51 | BucWheat | abrotman so i guess there isn't a way around it then? could i have fsck check /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 on boot? |
| 21:30.59 | abrotman | on every boot ? |
| 21:31.19 | BucWheat | abrotman it does it now but it often says please perform fsck manually without -a or -p option enter root password |
| 21:31.28 | BucWheat | abrotman yea that would be good on every boot |
| 21:31.29 | abrotman | yeah .. that's bad |
| 21:31.38 | BucWheat | abrotman why? |
| 21:31.38 | DavidProck1981 | yo where is the x11 config saved it, i dont want to go through the setup to find out, i want to edit manualy so i can take off the 3 mouse button emulation, does any one know where it is |
| 21:31.49 | abrotman | BucWheat: shoujldn't need manual intervention |
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| 21:32.00 | BucWheat | abrotman i hardly ever have problems with / it is always /var |
| 21:32.10 | BucWheat | i'm running apache2 and mysql on the kiosk |
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| 21:32.31 | abrotman | kay .. but still shouldn't need manual intervention |
| 21:33.19 | Lord_Devi | hrm. make-kpkg modules-image, doesn't function on my new etch install. It just displays some of what looks like to be script for make-kpkg itself with no real error. Does anyone know what be happening here? |
| 21:33.28 | BucWheat | abrotman well it did. after doing shutdown -h now -F the box came backup after i booted it and started to run fsck it then said i had to manually fsck /dev/sda2 without -a and -p option |
| 21:33.40 | abrotman | so do it |
| 21:34.04 | BucWheat | i did it already and now the box is trying to boot back up |
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| 21:34.24 | BucWheat | it is stuck on whatever comes after initializing random number generator |
| 21:34.24 | rvalles | I never set up my debian for ipv6 |
| 21:34.30 | rvalles | yet the ipv6 kernel module autoloads |
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| 21:34.40 | rvalles | and eth0 is up with an inet address and a inet6 address too |
| 21:34.52 | rvalles | any way to tell debian not to try and up an interface on ipv6? |
| 21:34.57 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 21:34.57 | dpkg | blacklist is probably Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:35.24 | rvalles | it's on /etc/network/interfaces, configured only for ipv4 |
| 21:35.33 | kma | anyone have recommendations on good instant messenger clients? |
| 21:35.36 | rvalles | abrotman: so you think it's hotplug/discover fault that ipv6 loads? |
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| 21:35.41 | dn4 | kma Gaim |
| 21:35.52 | kma | what about Jabber? |
| 21:35.59 | dn4 | kma gaim does jabber |
| 21:36.17 | abrotman | rvalles: nope |
| 21:36.25 | abrotman | gaim does it all! |
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| 21:36.50 | horacio | alguien por ahi |
| 21:37.20 | BucWheat | abrotman i'm back in my system now and the /var/log dir is gone |
| 21:37.37 | BucWheat | abrotman this must have happened from the fsck on /dev/sda2 how do i fix this? |
| 21:37.40 | d0uglas | from the cl how can i cp a bunch of jpgs scattered throughout subdirectories into one other directory? or better yet, could I symbolically link all these suckers into one directory? |
| 21:37.51 | BucWheat | abrotman a lot of inodes where deleted in the fsck /dev/sda2 process |
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| 21:37.57 | blondie | d0uglas: find -exec |
| 21:38.01 | BucWheat | s/where/were |
| 21:38.09 | simonrvn | would be better to actually mv them there |
| 21:38.16 | simonrvn | long term |
| 21:38.27 | d0uglas | blondie: that woudl link them/ |
| 21:38.29 | d0uglas | ? |
| 21:38.31 | dn4 | abrotman negatory gaim does not emulate games like contra so I can play games and chat it up :) |
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| 21:38.40 | abrotman | contra ? |
| 21:38.43 | abrotman | znes ? |
| 21:38.43 | phanter | is alsa the standard audio "thingie" for Debian? |
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| 21:39.01 | dn4 | yez ze nesystem |
| 21:39.07 | abrotman | BucWheat: remake it |
| 21:39.15 | horacio | tengo problemas al instalar un servidor en debian, alguien me ayuda |
| 21:39.17 | blondie | d0uglas: well, copying would be easier c.c |
| 21:39.17 | BucWheat | abrotman how mkdir /var/log ? |
| 21:39.25 | blondie | umm |
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| 21:39.50 | abrotman | mkdir /var/log && chown root:root /var/log && chmod 755 /var/log/ |
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| 21:40.19 | BucWheat | k |
| 21:40.29 | Doow | Could someone help me with apt-pinning? I looked at the guide at http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html and it seems to only handle prioritizing different repos, I want to pin a package that I installed from a .deb file. |
| 21:40.39 | blondie | d0uglas: find /path -name "*.jpg" -exec ln -s {} /otherpath/ \; |
| 21:40.44 | d0uglas | blondie: okay well i want easy right now and i could afford to dupe them space-wise... is there some kind of -R flag for cp? |
| 21:40.48 | d0uglas | ok |
| 21:40.58 | abrotman | Doow: shold be the same i'd think |
| 21:40.58 | d0uglas | you good, blondie |
| 21:41.04 | blondie | or do "cp" instead of "ln -s" |
| 21:41.12 | Doow | abrotman: no, similar possibly =) |
| 21:41.24 | phanter | my network device seems not to work on full speed. How can I check this? |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | mii-tool or ethtool |
| 21:41.45 | d0uglas | blondie: for ln'ing, does /otherpath/ need to exist or will it make it on its own |
| 21:42.06 | d0uglas | ... well i guess i could just try it and see :) |
| 21:42.34 | blondie | needs to exist |
| 21:42.42 | d0uglas | Ok thanks again |
| 21:42.47 | Doow | abrotman: think I found the manual, so I'll figure it out |
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| 21:42.58 | abrotman | man apt_preferences |
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| 21:44.06 | netsurfer | Hi - just got my dedicated server set up running deb 3.1 - i'm having problems with dns. Some hostnames dont resolve, i've tried 3 different dns servers and the same thing happens on each. The hostnames are valid, they resolve ok from my home computer. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:44.44 | blondie | netsurfer: don't resolve... what error does "host" give? |
| 21:45.15 | netsurfer | no error |
| 21:45.19 | blondie | ? |
| 21:45.24 | blondie | what is the output then? |
| 21:45.37 | maher | netsurfer: are you having problems with your dns entries or other peoples? |
| 21:45.48 | netsurfer | maher - other peoples |
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| 21:45.54 | netsurfer | blondie - no output |
| 21:45.57 | blondie | ... |
| 21:46.11 | blondie | pastebin the output of "nslookup" on several that don't work please |
| 21:46.15 | jatt | netsurfer: do you have resolvconf installed? Which are /etc/resolv.conf contents? |
| 21:46.16 | BucWheat | abrotman more problems. system is hung on Starting sysem log daemon: syslogd... |
| 21:46.25 | BucWheat | abrotman what could be causing this? |
| 21:46.29 | maher | netsurfer: dig @server dnsname will tell you whether that server can resolve the name |
| 21:46.30 | abrotman | your drive has issues :) |
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| 21:46.35 | BucWheat | abrotman i created /var/log properly |
| 21:46.47 | netsurfer | jatt - yes, it has 2 valid DNS server IPs in it |
| 21:46.51 | abrotman | BucWheat: try to restart it |
| 21:46.52 | netsurfer | blondie - ok just a sec |
| 21:47.04 | horacio | tengo problemas para instalar un servidor en debian, alguien puede ayudarme |
| 21:47.06 | BucWheat | k |
| 21:47.08 | jatt | !es |
| 21:47.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:47.39 | BucWheat | abrotman when i hit ctrl+alt+del it says shutdown: no authorized users logged in hehe |
| 21:47.43 | BucWheat | abrotman and i'm root :( |
| 21:48.02 | abrotman | superbad! |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | wait! |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | superbad!</rick_james> |
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| 21:48.57 | netsurfer | blondie - http://pastebin.com/828376 |
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| 21:49.50 | BucWheat | hrmm.. i've got to find another backup/restore solution to replace symantec norton ghost |
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| 21:50.39 | abrotman | system-imager ? |
| 21:50.42 | blondie | netsurfer: can you try using the dns server 4.2.2.1? |
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| 21:52.10 | netsurfer | blondie - i've just tried a 4th server and its working now :s |
| 21:52.30 | blondie | guess the ones you tried were broken huh |
| 21:52.31 | netsurfer | blondie - i'll give it a good testing here, will let u know how it goes |
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| 21:52.37 | netsurfer | looks like it :( |
| 21:52.57 | netsurfer | xname (free dns provider) typical |
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| 21:53.24 | blondie | lol |
| 21:53.30 | blondie | yes, I would use your ISP's |
| 21:54.02 | netsurfer | I was, then it stopped working :o\ |
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| 21:55.12 | gimmulf_ | Hi, where do i find out what NS adress my server uses? |
| 21:55.26 | tarzeau | gimmulf_: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 21:56.22 | gimmulf_ | tarzeau: hmm 3 nameserver lines there, 1 of them looks like an ip and the others like: 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 |
| 21:56.30 | jatt | netsurfer: have you already tried to install resolvconf (if not already installed?) |
| 21:56.38 | tarzeau | gimmulf_: ahm , pardon? |
| 21:56.46 | tarzeau | gimmulf_: 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 also ook like ips |
| 21:58.00 | gimmulf_ | tarzeau: the thing is i want to point my domain name to my server and i need to specify 2 ips, guess i cant point it too 4.2.2.2.2 |
| 21:58.40 | BucWheat | abrotman i tried mondorescue but i could never get it to work properly on debian sarge |
| 21:58.52 | tarzeau | gimmulf_: 4.2.2.2.2 ? man what drugs did you take? |
| 21:59.13 | tarzeau | gimmulf_: the number of name servers doesn't matter, and yeah there's no reason you can't use your own domain name server |
| 21:59.18 | BucWheat | abrotman this sucks. ever since i fsck'ed i can no longer ssh into my box |
| 21:59.40 | abrotman | BucWheat: are there any logs in /var/log/ ? |
| 21:59.59 | tarzeau | gimmulf_: i think you want to read this one: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 22:00.08 | gimmulf_ | ok tarzeau thanks |
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| 22:00.22 | d0uglas | blondie: yay it worked |
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| 22:01.26 | BucWheat | abrotman let me see hld on |
| 22:01.43 | abrotman | BucWheat: you gotta stop messing with these kiosks |
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| 22:03.14 | BucWheat | abrotman they are awesome when my boxes work :) |
| 22:03.26 | abrotman | they don't seem to work |
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| 22:03.34 | BucWheat | abrotman i have Xfree86 logs |
| 22:03.47 | abrotman | is it big or heavy or wood? |
| 22:03.50 | jair | hello guys, when "etch" suppouse to be launched and sarge left as Legacy supported? |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | jair: will become oldstable |
| 22:04.33 | jair | abrotman: but it will continue getting all the patches and improvements including security? |
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| 22:05.00 | BucWheat | abrotman i had to recreate /var/run as well |
| 22:05.07 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 22:05.08 | maher | jair: for some period of time - i think 6 months or so |
| 22:05.16 | abrotman | BucWheat: did you look in /var/lost+found/ ? |
| 22:05.17 | BucWheat | and theni was able to run /etc/init.d/ssh :) |
| 22:05.24 | BucWheat | abrotman let me check that now |
| 22:05.34 | maher | jair: or forever if you volunteer to do the work :) |
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| 22:06.19 | jair | maher: I see |
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| 22:06.36 | BucWheat | abrotman i have a bunch of files like this: #1114226 |
| 22:06.40 | BucWheat | what are those? |
| 22:06.55 | abrotman | your lost files |
| 22:06.56 | maher | BucWheat: bad news |
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| 22:07.05 | jair | maher: not if I am willing to, but I am working in understand the whole architecture and how it works, beside my own personal resposibility with work. |
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| 22:07.23 | jair | maher: but I hope some day soon be able of develop and improve debian :) |
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| 22:07.42 | jair | at least helping more testing and implementing. |
| 22:07.46 | BucWheat | abrotman they just look like gibberish how do i figure out what the files are? |
| 22:07.54 | maher | jair: great! |
| 22:08.05 | abrotman | BucWheat: they are the files that got "recovered" |
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| 22:08.33 | BucWheat | abrotman now what do i do with them? |
| 22:08.46 | abrotman | if you want them .. put them back to where they belong |
| 22:08.50 | maher | BucWheat: look at them and weep |
| 22:09.05 | BucWheat | OMGosh... my db is gone as well :((((((( |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | if you know where they go |
| 22:09.15 | maher | BucWheat: if you can tell what they are put them back where they should be... |
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| 22:09.26 | abrotman | 'file' might be of some help |
| 22:09.35 | BucWheat | abrotman they are just numbered dirs and files how do i turn those into names? |
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| 22:10.06 | abrotman | you have to know the filename |
| 22:10.23 | BucWheat | great that sucks |
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| 22:10.33 | BucWheat | i might as well reload from a backup CD |
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| 22:10.39 | abrotman | probably a better plan |
| 22:10.53 | BucWheat | this is ridiculous(.sp) |
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| 22:11.57 | abrotman | BucWheat: it happens |
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| 22:13.04 | BucWheat | abrotman i guess the only way to allow end users the ability to fsck is to give them root password ? or sudo ? |
| 22:13.06 | abrotman | for real ? tarzeau .. you want emacs.app .. wtf is wrong with you ? |
| 22:13.09 | docelic | Folks, have an URL for LSI's megaraid kernel patch for 2.6 kernel series? Supposedly it's free software but it's not in the kernel and google doesn't come up well |
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| 22:13.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: vi.mine.nu |
| 22:14.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't care .. why in god's name do you need two emacs ? |
| 22:14.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i want emacs.app. nothing's wrong, you might understand in 5 years |
| 22:14.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just need one, emacs.app |
| 22:14.20 | abrotman | noone understands .. NOONE |
| 22:14.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: adrian roberts sure does |
| 22:14.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i can name a few more |
| 22:14.32 | abrotman | it's worse than the fucking kde developers |
| 22:14.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: you have no idea, but i don't care either |
| 22:14.57 | abrotman | 'hi .. you didn't use our toolkit .. we're going to rewrite everything because we're superior pricks' |
| 22:15.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh well |
| 22:15.15 | d0uglas | how can i tell zip to do, say, only 500 out of 11,000 files if they're all in the same dir? |
| 22:15.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i won't comment that |
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| 22:15.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: because it's true .. you can't deny it |
| 22:15.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: but if you really care, it exists longer since kde or gnome |
| 22:15.32 | d0uglas | both zip and rar won't even bother compressing this stuff, too many files |
| 22:15.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's wrong |
| 22:15.37 | abrotman | it's right |
| 22:15.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's the gnome guys that are the superior pricks |
| 22:15.48 | abrotman | emacs was done |
| 22:15.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: the NS* api exists since over 15 years |
| 22:15.54 | abrotman | someone rewrote it |
| 22:16.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it wasn't a rewrite |
| 22:16.05 | abrotman | (as done as emacs is) |
| 22:16.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's just a new backend, like the x one |
| 22:16.08 | abrotman | oh .. it's a port |
| 22:16.10 | abrotman | whatever |
| 22:16.33 | maher | abrotman: afaik it wasn't a complete rewrite - just a fork that ran in to personality issues... |
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| 22:16.38 | abrotman | it's a port |
| 22:16.43 | abrotman | the description itself says so |
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| 22:18.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: why didn't jvw let it through .. he just okayed most of the queue |
| 22:18.43 | maher | abrotman: all kiddies need a ford vs chevy argument to emphasize the futility of their existence |
| 22:19.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't know, it's still in new queue |
| 22:19.08 | abrotman | i noticed |
| 22:19.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: since when does jvw do new queue_ |
| 22:19.11 | abrotman | oh i know .. |
| 22:19.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not the first time it's in new queue |
| 22:19.30 | tarzeau | it's the 3rd time |
| 22:19.33 | abrotman | it's the last! |
| 22:19.34 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:19.42 | mirak | how can I find the irq for a serial port ? |
| 22:19.45 | abrotman | oh .. ganneff did it ? |
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| 22:19.56 | stmz | is there a way to easily change which runlevels services run on such as using chkconfig in rh/feodra? |
| 22:19.58 | mirak | I need that to configure lirx |
| 22:19.58 | abrotman | then why didn't he let it though ? |
| 22:20.00 | mirak | lirc |
| 22:20.00 | abrotman | through ? |
| 22:20.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes ganneff did them one time, and dpl did them the other time |
| 22:20.07 | abrotman | stmz: update-rc.d |
| 22:20.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: let's see who does the 3rd time |
| 22:20.17 | abrotman | kill it! :) |
| 22:20.23 | abrotman | mirak: bios |
| 22:20.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: first time it wasn't split into data/binary |
| 22:20.30 | stmz | thx |
| 22:20.38 | mirak | abrotman: this is a usb to serial device |
| 22:20.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: 2nd time was the changelog entry was old, the reject was inappropriate |
| 22:20.46 | mirak | abrotman: serial to usb |
| 22:20.53 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 22:20.55 | mirak | abrotman: it won't be in the bios |
| 22:20.59 | abrotman | the serial port is in the bios |
| 22:21.19 | abrotman | or you're saying it's a USB port actually ? |
| 22:21.35 | mirak | abrotman: I have a serial to usb converter. |
| 22:22.00 | abrotman | cat /proc/interrupts ? |
| 22:22.37 | mirak | abrotman: nope |
| 22:22.50 | abrotman | uhci ? ehci ? .. nothing there ? |
| 22:23.01 | mirak | abrotman: I also have a pci card with serial ports. I could find the irq in dmesg |
| 22:23.19 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.41 | abrotman | did you load the driver for the serial card ? |
| 22:24.44 | mirak | it loaded itself |
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| 22:25.04 | mirak | the serial card is ok. I just try to make work the serial to usb converter for lirc. |
| 22:25.30 | mirak | in fact I need to find the serial port and the serial irq. |
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| 22:36.16 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:36.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:36.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen "Monster House"? |
| 22:37.08 | abrotman | the kid movie ? |
| 22:37.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:38.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn why did i start watching this HORROR film |
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| 22:38.38 | abrotman | it's a kids movie |
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| 22:38.59 | BucWheat | tarzeau are you scared? |
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| 22:39.09 | tarzeau | BucWheat: pretty very much so |
| 22:39.53 | abrotman | BucWheat: tarzeau is a 7 year old girl in disguise :) |
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| 22:42.54 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 22:42.55 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that. |
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| 22:47.17 | abrotman | !ops tyler_ |
| 22:47.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: tyler_ |
| 22:47.18 | abrotman | !ops tymiller |
| 22:47.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: tymiller |
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| 22:47.22 | abrotman | sorry abou tth eother! |
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| 22:47.33 | abrotman | tyler_: sorry .. misfire |
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| 22:48.38 | mentor | k |
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| 22:49.27 | abrotman | thanks mentor |
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| 22:51.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: the monster house eats everything |
| 22:51.53 | abrotman | i nkow |
| 22:51.55 | abrotman | stop watching it |
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| 22:52.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: nothing can stop it, it's a huge monster house eating everything |
| 22:52.54 | abrotman | STOP WATCHING |
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| 22:53.37 | unseensoul | howdy |
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| 22:55.03 | tarzeau | it's an enourmous dangerous monster house |
| 22:55.48 | cydork | tarzeau, dumb idea for a scary movie.. i mean comon.. a house?? |
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| 22:56.04 | tarzeau | cydork: had you seen the killer lift horror movie? |
| 22:56.18 | cydork | tarzeau, hell no... |
| 22:56.19 | tarzeau | the lift was eating people! |
| 22:56.32 | cydork | tarzeau, and people get scared ?? |
| 22:56.37 | tarzeau | !eat cydork |
| 22:56.50 | cydork | :) |
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| 22:59.13 | cydork | tarzeau, watch some guy playing wii for a change :P http://www.xanga.com/yoshismadness |
| 22:59.22 | cydork | now that's scary :) |
| 23:00.32 | tarzeau | cydork: gonna sleep, i've got a great date tomorrow night |
| 23:00.49 | cydork | date?? -_^ |
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| 23:00.56 | ehj20 | Any suggestions for a fool-proof cli bittorrent client? ;-] |
| 23:01.10 | buscon | Hi, I've added ssh-add to the programs to launch at gnome startup, but it seems not to work |
| 23:01.15 | odla | ehj20: bittorrent? |
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| 23:07.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:07.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:07.33 | cydork | abrotman, aptitude doesn't have super cow powers :P |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 23:07.50 | abrotman | aptitude -vvvvv |
| 23:08.06 | odla | moo? |
| 23:08.16 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 23:08.23 | Gnurdux | you have to keep adding v's |
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| 23:08.26 | odla | aptitude has easter eggs!!! |
| 23:08.27 | cydork | abrotman, hehe |
| 23:08.32 | Gnurdux | aptitude moo; aptitude -v moo; etc |
| 23:08.32 | odla | it's a snake |
| 23:08.38 | odla | Gnurdux: i know ;) |
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| 23:08.53 | Gnurdux | and isnt it an elephant? |
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| 23:08.54 | ricochet | could someone help me get my mouse working? *sigh*. hwinfo --mouse tells me there is a mouse, xorg.conf points to use /dev/input/mice, Xorg.0.log shows no errors... and my mouse worked before I rebooted. I'm running testing, and updated recently. |
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| 23:09.33 | Mole | how do i make a bootfloppy with lilo to boot current system from ? |
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| 23:10.18 | Zap-W | what does a degraded array mean |
| 23:10.19 | odla | Gnurdux: a snake eating an elephant? |
| 23:10.24 | odla | right? |
| 23:10.28 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 23:10.33 | odla | yeah |
| 23:10.46 | Gnurdux | or in the (badd passive construction words) an elephant being eaten by a snake |
| 23:11.07 | abrotman | Zap-W: it's b0rked |
| 23:11.25 | ricochet | abrotman, mouse help? |
| 23:11.33 | abrotman | move it |
| 23:11.39 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 23:11.47 | ricochet | :( |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | !mousedev |
| 23:11.50 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 23:12.29 | ricochet | k |
| 23:13.15 | ricochet | abrotman: should I see garbage after loading that module, and `cat /dev/input/mice` ? |
| 23:13.20 | ricochet | and moving the mouse |
| 23:13.21 | abrotman | probably |
| 23:13.28 | ricochet | I don't |
| 23:13.53 | beardy | Doesn't proof anything really.. |
| 23:13.58 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | beardy: prove |
| 23:14.10 | beardy | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | ricochet: you didn't install gpm did you ? |
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| 23:14.48 | ricochet | apt-get remove gpm gpm not installed |
| 23:15.20 | ricochet | dmesg |grep -i mouse : mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | sounds right |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | but X won't start ? |
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| 23:15.42 | ricochet | x is running. I'm in it right now |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | so what's wrong ? |
| 23:15.53 | abrotman | mouse no workie ? |
| 23:15.57 | ricochet | yep |
| 23:16.03 | ricochet | I see the pointer |
| 23:16.13 | ricochet | yes, it is plugged in. :) |
| 23:16.24 | abrotman | did you restart X after loading the module ? |
| 23:16.28 | beardy | ricochet: Reconfigured X? Restarted X after that? |
| 23:16.31 | beardy | !restartx |
| 23:16.32 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
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| 23:16.50 | ricochet | ok, brb... |
| 23:16.59 | beardy | And run irssi, in a screen. |
| 23:17.15 | ricochet | ok |
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| 23:21.01 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-bksp isn't a restart |
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| 23:21.32 | beardy | It is if you run a display manager. |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 23:21.50 | abrotman | it's a crash ... |
| 23:21.51 | ricochet | abrotman, beardy: no workie. |
| 23:21.57 | abrotman | NO WORKIE! |
| 23:22.07 | beardy | abrotman: Not a crash. |
| 23:22.14 | abrotman | is! |
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| 23:22.21 | abrotman | ricochet: so X works .. but no mouse ? |
| 23:22.25 | beardy | abrotman: Hasty logout and restart of the displaymanager, it is. |
| 23:22.27 | abrotman | ricochet: is it a USB mouse ? |
| 23:22.30 | abrotman | beardy: crash! |
| 23:22.32 | ricochet | abrotman: exactly |
| 23:22.40 | ricochet | abrotman, yep |
| 23:22.55 | ricochet | abrotman, it works 30 minutes ago before I rebooted |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | ricochet: did you replug the mouse ? |
| 23:23.14 | ricochet | abrotman: I never unplugged it... |
| 23:23.27 | beardy | abrotman: A crash is when the screen is flimmering/flickering and you can't use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, or the keyboard at all. And a real crash is when you can't even ssh or console in to kill X. |
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| 23:23.51 | abrotman | ricochet: replug it |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | beardy: crash! |
| 23:23.57 | ricochet | abrotman: hwinfo --mouse shows my mouse |
| 23:24.07 | beardy | Happened in woody for me one time when running cannonsmash, that is a fun game btw. |
| 23:24.43 | beardy | If it's still there. |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | crash! |
| 23:24.49 | beardy | !info cannonsmash |
| 23:24.59 | beardy | !crash abrotman |
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| 23:25.19 | abrotman | !alicekill beardy |
| 23:25.40 | ricochet | abrotman: I unplugged, replugged, dmesg says: "USB disconnect, new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3" |
| 23:26.18 | beardy | abrotman: You sick sick little freak. |
| 23:26.46 | abrotman | beardy: ever heard that song ? |
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| 23:26.57 | Red_Cloud | I want to wipe a partition clean in preparation for installing a new Linux distro. What package would you recommend for use from my permanent debian distro to wipe the other partition on my disk? |
| 23:26.59 | beardy | abrotman: Nope. |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | beardy: Alice's Restaurant .. by Arlo Guthrie |
| 23:27.28 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Just run fdisk or cfdisk and create new partitions. |
| 23:27.33 | abrotman | beardy: warning .. it's 20 minutes long |
| 23:27.56 | beardy | abrotman: Oh.. that |
| 23:28.07 | beardy | 's long. (damnit) |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | beardy: you can get it just in time for thanksgiving! |
| 23:28.23 | ricochet | abrotman: ? |
| 23:28.29 | abrotman | (many .us radio stations play it at least once on thanksgiving) |
| 23:28.30 | beardy | abrotman: On a good connection now again ;) |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | ricochet: restart X |
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| 23:29.27 | Red_Cloud | beardy but that does not wipe the files already in the partition? |
| 23:30.55 | beardy | Red_Cloud: No. Do you have to wipe them? |
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| 23:31.09 | beardy | Red_Cloud: They will get overwritten eventually. |
| 23:31.36 | beardy | Red_Cloud: If you are concerned about security, bring out the sledgehammer, gasoline, matches and shovel. |
| 23:32.07 | Red_Cloud | beardy, they are files from a recent DFS install. The files will not interfere with files of the same name from a new install> |
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| 23:32.26 | abrotman | where'd he go ? |
| 23:32.29 | abrotman | better? |
| 23:32.34 | ricochet | abrotman: :( |
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| 23:32.56 | abrotman | ricochet: bah .. restart the whole damn box |
| 23:33.14 | ricochet | abrotman: what is this, windows? |
| 23:33.14 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Nope, they wont, they will be "deleted" just as when you delete files the usual way, still be there, but marked for overwriting. They won't be seen anymore. |
| 23:33.31 | abrotman | ricochet: it's either that or we start unloading modules |
| 23:33.37 | beardy | Red_Cloud: You could use shred or something similar if you want to write zeroes to the entire drive though. |
| 23:33.42 | ricochet | abrotman: ok, brbr |
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| 23:34.57 | beardy | Red_Cloud: But that just takes time. Removing and creating new partitions will suffice. |
| 23:35.20 | Red_Cloud | beardy, OK. I will not worry about it then |
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| 23:39.32 | predder | Has anyone successfully installed using a jbmicron controller? I'm looking into hardware for my next purchase and I read that the afformentioned IDE controller is being a prick which sucks for me 'cause I want a 965 based motherboard |
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| 23:39.38 | ricochet | abrotman: :( |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | predder: so get an intel controller ? |
| 23:40.14 | abrotman | ricochet: paste your X log .. your X config .. 'lsmod' |
| 23:40.54 | predder | abrotman, the problem is the 965 series chipset is coupled with the ICH8 which has no pata so a 3rd party chip is needed |
| 23:41.14 | ricochet | abrotman: I'm not sure I know how to do that w/o a mouse :-/ |
| 23:41.15 | predder | and every manufacturer out there appears to be using this one made by jbmicron |
| 23:41.19 | abrotman | who wants PATA ? |
| 23:41.29 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 23:41.29 | dpkg | [pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 23:41.33 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 23:41.37 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:41.39 | abrotman | there you go |
| 23:41.54 | ricochet | cool |
| 23:42.05 | predder | abrotman, i need pata to install via cd :P |
| 23:42.10 | mina_linux_Tux | what is s-proc and how to get it ? |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | predder: can't boot off SATA CD ? |
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| 23:42.43 | predder | Havent tried yet, I read in the most recent etch RC1 they were still having issues with that |
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| 23:47.10 | ricochet | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/828451 (Xorg.0.log), http://pastebin.com/828452 (lsmod), http://pastebin.com/828453 (xorg.conf) |
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| 23:49.27 | abrotman | seems perfectly fine to me |
| 23:49.34 | abrotman | maybe try to have X use /dev/psaux |
| 23:49.52 | ricochet | abrotman: yeah, seemed fine to me too, thats why I came here :) |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | try /dev/psaux |
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| 23:50.34 | Lord_Devi | My console terminal in my debian etch is displaying many things totally incorrectly. Like make menuconfig for instance. It looks horrible using ascii chars to draw borders and such.. does anyone know of a way to fix this? |
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| 23:52.01 | maher | Lord_Devi: type reset and see if that fixes it... |
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| 23:52.51 | Lord_Devi | maher: No it's nothing so simple.. Even my zsh prompt is broken.. My tab-completion bleeds and spills all over the place so i can't even see what i'm doin anymore.. |
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| 23:53.14 | abrotman | echo $TERM |
| 23:53.24 | Lord_Devi | set to 'linux' |
| 23:53.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello, How can I tell what is using a disk in order not to be able to umount that disk? |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 23:53.44 | Lord_Devi | abro: does your make menuconfig in console display --'s and +'s to draw it's borders? |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | no |
| 23:53.56 | Lord_Devi | I hae a sneaking suspision that it's just the way debian looks |
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| 23:59.47 | mentor | Humm, is there a comman line tool I can use to tell me what kind of streams are contained within a multimedia container format file? |
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