| 00:00.46 | odla | Guerin: i don't see anything about dpi in iceweasel's preferences |
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| 00:01.18 | the_mug | hola friends. |
| 00:01.24 | slow_query | Temp is good, as far as I know. It's winter, and those two boxes are the only ones in the room. It's never over 60 in there. |
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| 00:01.40 | slow_query | And nothing shows on the display... |
| 00:02.10 | the_mug | my NIC went out. replaced it with an identical counterpart (that works) how can I make it work again? lspci shows it. 3com |
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| 00:02.21 | Guerin | odla: huh, right, they seem to have excised it. |
| 00:02.22 | slow_query | I'll have to look at setting it not to turn off the monitor, so I can see any kernel dumps that occur... |
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| 00:03.45 | tuv | http://bash.org/?207373 |
| 00:04.33 | asg | tuv: I can't believe you stuck it in there !?! |
| 00:05.08 | tuv | asg, ? |
| 00:06.14 | infernix | slow_query: you want to consider running syslog and having it output over the wire |
| 00:06.42 | infernix | slow_query: if the box hardlocks, chances are it wont have time to write to disk or the writes get stuck in a buffer |
| 00:07.20 | infernix | slow_query: there's also the cpuburn package, you could look at that to test cpu temp issues |
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| 00:07.41 | the_mug | so anyone have any idea how to reinstall a NIC (or simply install a new one) ? |
| 00:08.01 | infernix | the_mug: which type? probably modprobe 3x59x |
| 00:08.09 | Guerin | the_mug: 1. power off box 2. take out old nic 3. insert new nic 4. boot |
| 00:08.25 | Guerin | the_mug: 99% of the time it should Just Work |
| 00:08.26 | infernix | err, thats modprobe 3c59x |
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| 00:08.52 | the_mug | Guerin: infernix: I can see it listed on lspci |
| 00:09.02 | asg | Guerin: 01% of the time, you feel like a tool for buying some WinNetwork-in-a-box |
| 00:09.06 | infernix | the_mug: which type? |
| 00:09.23 | usr_rob | i got openbsd poster, hav not found any debian posters yet, hehe |
| 00:09.31 | usr_rob | *have |
| 00:10.00 | asg | usr_rob: debian doesn't have song40.ogg either, though I've been tempted to put finger to string and write one. |
| 00:10.18 | usr_rob | asg: ;) |
| 00:11.25 | Rawplayer | how does a ipod work in gnome? |
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| 00:11.35 | Rawplayer | can you upload music just fine? |
| 00:12.00 | asg | Rawplayer: apparently, gtkpod is all you need |
| 00:12.08 | the_mug | infernix: 3com |
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| 00:12.18 | usr_rob | asg: i have finished my computer-room now, would like to have some more fancy opensource art on the wall :) |
| 00:12.21 | infernix | the_mug: which type? |
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| 00:12.21 | Rawplayer | asg: thanks |
| 00:12.24 | scratchme | Hi all. |
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| 00:12.27 | the_mug | infernix: lemme reboot and see what happens. |
| 00:12.30 | infernix | the_mug: in case you didnt get the hint, 3com is a brand. |
| 00:12.40 | blondie | oops! I meant "hi" |
| 00:12.45 | scratchme | =p |
| 00:12.51 | Guerin | mm, rusty nail |
| 00:12.57 | scratchme | If I was going to do direct FC connection with no switch, what's the cheapest non-utter-crap-break-any-second adapter I could use with this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280050117313&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 00:13.02 | Guerin | best way to put the final ... nail into a drinking coffin |
| 00:13.06 | Guerin | at the end of a night |
| 00:13.06 | the_mug | infernix: 3c905B |
| 00:13.23 | unfo | hi all, wouldn't it be cool if d-i gave users advice to pick a real FQDN like unfo.rogers.com as their hostname? |
| 00:13.25 | craigevil | Iceweasel 2.0 is in Sid |
| 00:13.45 | cydork | craigevil, already? |
| 00:13.46 | unfo | craigevil, cool! they should update the topic. |
| 00:14.03 | craigevil | hopefully it works it wants to remove firefox |
| 00:14.04 | Guerin | unfo: suppose so. Most users probably don't have a fqdn to use, and those who do probably know to. |
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| 00:14.39 | cureless | doesn't d-i try to automatically set that based on reverse dns? |
| 00:14.40 | asg | usr_rob: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux (take those to your local kinkos and print a bunch) |
| 00:14.41 | infernix | the_mug: should work out of the box, if not, modprobe 3c59x as i mentioned. good luck, easiest NIC around to work with |
| 00:14.48 | unfo | Guerin, Can't I make up a FQDN like $myusername.$myispname.com? |
| 00:15.02 | Guerin | unfo: why would you? |
| 00:15.02 | cureless | unfo: no |
| 00:15.14 | usr_rob | asg: thx mate! |
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| 00:15.28 | Guerin | unfo: fake fqdns are worse than none at all. |
| 00:15.39 | the_mug | infernix: it shows up also on lsmod... |
| 00:15.47 | the_mug | maybe a network issue. |
| 00:15.51 | unfo | Guerin, because Emacs gnus on win32 sorta wants to know a fqdn. In channel #gnus they told me to fake one. |
| 00:15.53 | the_mug | infernix: thanks |
| 00:15.59 | iLLf8d | Guerin, whys that? |
| 00:16.05 | Guerin | unfo: well, that's windows for ya. |
| 00:16.20 | infernix | scratchme: jsut curious, why FC and not GigE? |
| 00:16.22 | unfo | I assume it'll the same once I reboot into linux. |
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| 00:16.31 | unfo | *it'll be the same |
| 00:16.32 | beardy | unfo: Emacs requires that..? |
| 00:16.40 | Miles_Pr0wer | Bumper Sticker I saw Today: |
| 00:16.41 | Miles_Pr0wer | If Homosexuality is a disease.. Can I call in queer? |
| 00:16.45 | scratchme | infernix: I need whatever connects into that unit to go direct into another unit with no switch. |
| 00:16.54 | iLLf8d | I mean something that won't be anywhere like in.my.shorts wouldn't matter |
| 00:17.12 | unfo | beardy, it doesn't require it, but it sets weird Message-IDs like <84d57hoecl.fsf@dell.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me> |
| 00:17.14 | Miles_Pr0wer | See what the war against gays is going to do? It's going to give them special rights! =P |
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| 00:17.22 | iLLf8d | wow I just set myself up =P |
| 00:17.29 | iLLf8d | heh lemme rephrase that |
| 00:17.37 | beardy | unfo: Hmm, ok. Personally I prefer gVim win32 when I have to. |
| 00:17.38 | Guerin | iLLf8d: sure, but something which is fake3ld.real2ld.com could be a pain for the owners of the actual domain |
| 00:18.02 | unfo | beardy, me too, but it doesn't post NetNews :) |
| 00:18.07 | infernix | scratchme: aha. well, if you want cheap FC adapters, just look at the kernel drivers and search for supported (read: long-time included drivers) adapters in the source tree. if you read up in the code you can often see if the driver is a good performer, but generally for FC it should be fine |
| 00:18.26 | iLLf8d | oh yeah sure =) |
| 00:18.37 | infernix | scratchme: lemme find the brand I had a few years back |
| 00:19.01 | scratchme | I don't know much about this, I bought that unit I pasted to teach myself this stuff. |
| 00:19.06 | Guerin | i think there was a movement for a while to bind .lan to 10.0.0.0/8 and 192.168.0.0/16 |
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| 00:19.41 | tacocat | Hi. I'm trying to start dspam and when I run the init.d script I get: |
| 00:19.48 | tacocat | Not starting DSPAM Statistical anti-spam filter -- disabled. |
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| 00:20.01 | asg | tacocat: /etc/default/dspam is probably what you need to edit |
| 00:20.06 | Guerin | tacocat: read the doc in /usr/share/doc/dspam |
| 00:20.14 | asg | tacocat: if that doesn't exist, /usr/share/doc/dspam/* |
| 00:20.15 | Guerin | it will tell you what asg said :) |
| 00:20.22 | infernix | scratchme: Emulex is good, as well as QLogic. I had a few Emulex cards. just go over the driver source to see which types are supported and search ebay |
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| 00:20.56 | scratchme | infernix: How will I know it goes right into my adapter, since I've seen some have different looking plugs. |
| 00:21.03 | scratchme | ? |
| 00:21.18 | scratchme | Or do I buy a special cable, or what? |
| 00:21.27 | infernix | scratchme: there are converters, but theres a few connector types indeed. just buying the right cable would work. |
| 00:21.36 | tacocat | Thank you. I didn't see it in the dspam docs, including README.Debian. |
| 00:21.45 | infernix | scratchme: but the difference lies only in the connector afaik. lemme see if i can find an overview |
| 00:21.48 | scratchme | I notice this thing I bought has 8 holes, grouped in 2s. |
| 00:22.04 | scratchme | Is each pair of holes one socket? |
| 00:22.06 | scratchme | Or 2? |
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| 00:24.19 | infernix | scratchme: http://www.opticatech.com/products_pinnacle_OSjumpercables.html |
| 00:24.32 | infernix | scratchme: that sounds like it has an FC switch integrated |
| 00:24.53 | scratchme | infernix: did you look at the auction I pasted? |
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| 00:26.22 | infernix | scratchme: Quad 1Gs SX Fibre Interface. so you have 4 ports. sounds like a switch. |
| 00:26.41 | scratchme | So do I want to connect to 1 port, 2 ports or all 4? |
| 00:26.54 | scratchme | And won't a 4 port card cost me 7 arms and 10 legs? |
| 00:27.16 | infernix | scratchme: you'll use one port. |
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| 00:27.32 | nixbox | hi all |
| 00:27.33 | nixbox | I have a file with multiple lines, each line is basically a number, i want to insert each line from this file to another file, such that each line is appended to the each line of the new file. how do i do that? |
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| 00:28.15 | eldowan | nixbox: you want to combine the two files, while interleaving their contents? |
| 00:28.16 | evad | so you want to copy one file appending to another? |
| 00:28.30 | evad | oh. |
| 00:28.33 | vulture | seems he wants to append the lines of text in one, to the other |
| 00:28.38 | scratchme | infernix: So just get this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220033684257&category=51196 and that cable you pasted? |
| 00:28.40 | nixbox | eldowan, yeah |
| 00:28.49 | reanjr | any Opera users experience intermittent crashes? I get "opera: Fatal IO error: client killed" after running for a few minutes... |
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| 00:29.20 | mrec | does anyone know a good worldclock with analogue clocks? |
| 00:29.31 | scratchme | infernix: And how do I know if I need the SC cable, or the LC cable? |
| 00:29.38 | eldowan | nixbox: no idea. |
| 00:29.38 | infernix | scratchme: well I'm not entirely sure, but yeah, with that card you should just get an SC-SC cable and plug it in. the image in the auction isnt clear enough for me to be sure that its SC on the storage end |
| 00:29.41 | bloo1 | I spent hours last night switching from kpilot to jpilot, and now I found out that there are some fixed kpilot packages up for testing |
| 00:30.15 | eldowan | reanjr: The only time opera will crash for me is when I visit a page that crashes it. Other than that I can't get opera to recreate a crash. |
| 00:30.22 | infernix | scratchme: but im guessing its SC since the auction mentions SX and i dont recall any SX type Fibre connectors |
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| 00:31.08 | scratchme | infernix: It looks like this to me: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3APIC&viewitem=&item=220008787068&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 00:31.16 | reanjr | eldowan: This is new to me, I ran Opera for years without troubles. I recently installed the latest Debian and latest Opera, though and now I have the problems. |
| 00:31.24 | scratchme | At least from what I can tell, the ports look just like the ones on that card. |
| 00:31.31 | blondie | opera is evil proprietary software! |
| 00:31.35 | blondie | !opera |
| 00:31.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 9.0 is the latest stable version and debs are available at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or damn nice browser, especially under the hood. add "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera sarge non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, substitute sarge with your favorite Debian release. |
| 00:31.38 | infernix | scratchme: also, FC is a scsi bus, so you'll have to set up termination if it's not on auto, both on the card and the storage |
| 00:31.42 | evad | blondie: are you UKC blondie? ;) |
| 00:31.43 | reanjr | blondie: ... |
| 00:31.52 | scratchme | infernix: How do I do that? |
| 00:31.58 | blondie | evad: perhaps. |
| 00:32.02 | scratchme | infernix: Is there a good dummy book on this stuff? |
| 00:32.08 | infernix | scratchme: in the card bios probably. the storage, I dunno. check its manual |
| 00:32.18 | evad | I'm not UKC evad. :> |
| 00:32.25 | scratchme | So the card is what you set, not the disk system? |
| 00:32.28 | infernix | scratchme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_channel |
| 00:32.38 | infernix | scratchme: both. its a SCSI bus. |
| 00:32.46 | eldowan | reanjr: Which Opera? 9 9.01 9.02? |
| 00:32.58 | blondie | evad: orly. |
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| 00:33.03 | eldowan | I'm running Opera 9.01 on etch. |
| 00:33.24 | eldowan | reanjr: Scratch that. I'm runnin 9.00beta |
| 00:33.26 | blondie | evad: I wasnt' aware that the computing lab was open at this hour! |
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| 00:33.37 | evad | parkwood is though. |
| 00:33.42 | evad | when is vlc going to be in etch :/ |
| 00:33.48 | reanjr | eldowan: tried 9.01 and 9.02 |
| 00:33.49 | blondie | it's already *in* etch. |
| 00:33.59 | evad | waot |
| 00:34.03 | evad | it's in etch now! yay! |
| 00:34.13 | evad | It wasn't. It wasn't for ages |
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| 00:34.34 | Rockj | what else then vnstat is good for net usage/stats in stable ? |
| 00:34.36 | eldowan | reanjr: Hmm. Have you let it sit idle with no windows open, and no transfers going? Have you turned widgets off? |
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| 00:34.43 | Rockj | (vnstat is not in stable) |
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| 00:34.52 | evad | i'm sure it is! |
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| 00:34.58 | darrh00 | /dpkg key |
| 00:35.04 | reanjr | eldowan: I let it sit idle but not with no windows open, I'll try that out |
| 00:35.11 | evad | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/vnstat |
| 00:35.19 | infernix | scratchme: if its a dumb device and it has auto termination, what you'll see on your linux box is a new scsi host (the qlogic card) and 14 scsi disks, that's it. |
| 00:35.32 | blondie | cakes |
| 00:35.33 | Rockj | evad: it is, just not for amd64 |
| 00:35.36 | evad | ahhh |
| 00:35.37 | Rockj | =/ |
| 00:35.38 | darrh00 | where to find key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 for etch?? |
| 00:35.54 | evad | yeah I don't run amd64 debian for this reason |
| 00:36.00 | evad | it lacks far too many packages to be useful |
| 00:36.29 | Rockj | is it bad to force vnstat i386 version even it is amd64 system? |
| 00:36.30 | infernix | scratchme: if you hit the speed limit with a raid 10 or 0 setup you could get 2 cards and do multipath IO but you'll have to have a fast server as well (64bit, or pci express) |
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| 00:37.03 | infernix | scratchme: cause on a 32bit bus you'll probably hit it quite soon with that equipment |
| 00:37.19 | scratchme | Yeah, I was looking at some IBM xSeries boxes to connect to it. |
| 00:37.32 | scratchme | The ones I was looking at were lease ends and had PCI-X. |
| 00:37.42 | asg | blondie: what version of debian? |
| 00:37.46 | blondie | "f" for fullscreen only works if I go to Preferences and then out again... it works once then not anymore :'( |
| 00:37.55 | blondie | asg: huh? |
| 00:38.07 | evad | etch? |
| 00:38.09 | evad | stable? |
| 00:38.13 | reanjr | eldowan: no windows opened, same results. There were no widgets running, but I'm not sure how to turn them off completely, I'll try to find that. |
| 00:38.24 | infernix | scratchme: i am not sure on the qlogic performance, perhaps newer types are faster as well. i believe most come with a 2gb port nowadays, but since your storage is 1gb there's no point in that |
| 00:38.27 | scratchme | But if I max out a PCI-X card, I may need to consider actually spending a few more bucks. |
| 00:38.28 | asg | blondie: sarge, etch, sid, woody + backports? Does the bts have anything to say? |
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| 00:38.50 | scratchme | infernix: Would it be worth upgrading 1 port to 2Gb ? |
| 00:38.53 | blondie | asg: I hadn't even asked my question when you asked that |
| 00:38.58 | scratchme | It says you can change the module to do that. |
| 00:38.58 | infernix | scratchme: high end cards do more processing in the card itself, but often come with their own driver, sometimes proprietary. |
| 00:39.06 | infernix | scratchme: depends on what you're gonna do with those disks. |
| 00:39.16 | asg | blondie: you noted that x doesn't work on Debian, I preemptively asked. |
| 00:39.18 | evad | I don't know why but Debian Etch is faster on my Athlon XP than Ubuntu on my Athlon 64 dual core.. |
| 00:39.27 | scratchme | I was planning on slapping 4-6 servers against it. None of the servers have crazy load. |
| 00:39.28 | blondie | asg: it works, but not fully. |
| 00:39.44 | scratchme | I was hoping to setup an iSCSI target on the machine hosting that FC. |
| 00:39.44 | asg | s/doesn't work/seems broken/ |
| 00:39.50 | fs-a | ok, what's this new error (not in topic) in sid about "There are no public key available" while apt-get updating |
| 00:40.08 | fs-a | (misspelled too) |
| 00:40.10 | scratchme | Then share it over commodity gigabit switches. |
| 00:40.16 | infernix | scratchme: ah, so you've got GigE on the lan side. well, you can consider buying two cheap cards and doing multipath IO. thats more complicated though. |
| 00:40.53 | fs-a | (i hope it's the same old error as in topic) |
| 00:41.06 | tuv | is there a way to view the console on two machines, say local machine and another one? |
| 00:41.12 | troy_ | when i run an 'aptitude update' on my newly dist-upgraded etch system i get W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 anyone know what this means and how to fix? |
| 00:41.21 | asg | tuv: screen |
| 00:41.29 | infernix | scratchme: but it's all supported in 2.6 so its doable. run a raid 10 on it over the 2 FC controllers, put LVM on it and use iscsi to export them can give you a pretty fast storage SAN |
| 00:41.32 | fs-a | (it was, hihi) |
| 00:41.46 | tuv | asg, can i connect to an already viewed console or do i have to disconnect one first? |
| 00:41.58 | infernix | scratchme: you might want to consider building a cluster for the iSCSI box as well |
| 00:42.16 | infernix | scratchme: clustering over FC is a) great and b) quite easy |
| 00:42.17 | scratchme | infernix: What would be a good way to do that? |
| 00:42.30 | scratchme | Get 2 hosts with FC controllers? |
| 00:43.06 | kitche | fs-a have you tried those keys that are in the topic? |
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| 00:43.42 | infernix | scratchme: using heartbeat and scsi failover, you set up an active/passive cluster that serves iSCSI to your GBit SAN. so thats 2 boxes in a cluster with 1 FC controller each (or 2 but again multipath is more complicated, and i'm not sure if that will work, never ran multipath myself back in the days) |
| 00:43.43 | asg | tuv: you should probably disconnect. |
| 00:44.15 | tuv | so, is there anything that allows me to view the same console from two machines simultaneously? |
| 00:44.15 | infernix | scratchme: but again unless you have extreme IOs on your servers, 1GB should suffice. your LAN is 1gb anyway. |
| 00:44.34 | petemc | tuv: screen |
| 00:44.56 | scratchme | True, but a 1Gbit switch can service many Gbit of data if you aggregate the ports. |
| 00:45.14 | scratchme | Regarding SAN traffic, the buck will stop at this 14 disk drive unit. |
| 00:45.14 | infernix | scratchme: one thing to be aware of with clustering is buffers; you don't want write-back buffering since that will lead to data loss when the iscsi server crashes and failover occurs |
| 00:45.16 | petemc | oh, i see asg already said that.. |
| 00:45.18 | asg | tuv: screen. You can't view what has already been written to a console since it doesn't really exist anymore except on the phosphorus of some screen and maybe in a buffer |
| 00:45.39 | scratchme | infernix: So basically write calls will be blocked until they complete right? |
| 00:45.52 | infernix | scratchme: for the iSCSI server to the storage, yea. |
| 00:46.09 | tuv | asg, i don't want to see what's already written. i want to monitor the progress of a program as it's being writting, at a remote machine |
| 00:46.12 | infernix | scratchme: if you use all disks in a raid 10 that shouldnt be much of an issue though |
| 00:46.38 | tuv | petemc, got an option for screen that connects it to an already attached console? |
| 00:46.55 | scratchme | Now should I do 14 disks in a RAID 10, or should I do 12 disks with 2 hot spares? |
| 00:47.28 | infernix | scratchme: I'd take 2 hot spares any day of the week, unless the array is really close to where I live |
| 00:47.33 | scratchme | If I keep an extra drive nearby, I can call the datacenter and have someone fix this in about 15 mins. |
| 00:47.58 | scratchme | Obviously, it won't occur until I'm notified of the failure, though. |
| 00:48.13 | infernix | scratchme: well, hot spares are the safe bet, surely. you never know when murphy's law is in effect |
| 00:48.19 | scratchme | True. |
| 00:48.31 | scratchme | Even with a mirror, if the wrong 2 drives die, it's all over. |
| 00:48.58 | asg | tuv: then just redirect stdout/stderr to a file and 'tail -f' it. Or use tee(1). Or run the program in screen(1) |
| 00:49.24 | scratchme | infernix, you willing to be privmsg'd? |
| 00:49.32 | infernix | scratchme: sure |
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| 00:52.38 | darrh00 | troy_:hey ,I had the same problem as you did,I think it's too new to find a solution on google,so I asked here! |
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| 00:54.24 | asg | troy_: unstable breaks. It will be fixed in time. The typo is an old and unfixed bug (318 days or so) |
| 00:54.55 | craigevil | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg fixes the apt-get update error in Sid |
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| 00:58.18 | JordiGH | I'm not on Debian right now, but can someone check if the latest /usr/share/doc/libstdc++6/copyright mentions boost? I ask because It's mentioned here: http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libstdc%2B%2B-v3/include/tr1/boost_shared_ptr.h?revision=117280&view=markup |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | it's on packages.d.o |
| 00:58.57 | JordiGH | abrotman: I can't readily access the debian.org site either right now. The ssh connection is too slow. |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | you have no browser? |
| 01:00.39 | abrotman | eh .. it's missing ... |
| 01:00.59 | JordiGH | abrotman: I have no access from this machine to debian.org. The packets timeout at the router. I normally ssh into a different machine to access debian.org and other websites, but right now ssh is too slow. Even IRCing is a bit uncomfortable. |
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| 01:01.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: The copyright file is missing? |
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| 01:01.53 | abrotman | from pdo |
| 01:01.57 | Rockj | how do I check if my system got 64bit counter in /proc/net/dev ? |
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| 01:02.30 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: grep -i boost .. nothing |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: it happens |
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| 01:03.29 | JordiGH | abrotman: Should that be filed as a bug? If a source file contains different licensing terms that /usr/share/doc/*/copyright? |
| 01:03.37 | JordiGH | s/that/than |
| 01:03.52 | asg | Rockj: if the numbers you see are larger than $((2**32-1)), then you have counters larger than 32 bit. |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's possible you're looking in the wrong package |
| 01:05.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: The standard c++ library. |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. could be the wrong package |
| 01:05.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: the standard c++ headers included with gcc. |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | check the BTS .. |
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| 01:05.40 | george | hmm, when installing a kernel image package (of a kernel I built a long time ago), ldd said it can't find /bin/ash... why would it say something like that? what's it trying to accomplish? in other questions, should I install (reinstall) ash? |
| 01:06.06 | Rockj | asg: there's not been enough amount of traffic on the lan to check that. (not large enought number) |
| 01:06.07 | george | which package? |
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| 01:06.22 | datrus_ | hello. when i launch 'screen', i get this error: 'No more PTYs'. my user is included in the 'tty' group. anyone knows what could be wrong? |
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| 01:06.38 | JordiGH | george: I think gcc is using boost c++ libraries: http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libstdc%2B%2B-v3/include/tr1/boost_shared_ptr.h?revision=117280&view=markup |
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| 01:07.34 | george | oh, so gnu seems to be "borrowing" libstdc++ from bsdville? |
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| 01:07.51 | JordiGH | abrotman: lib32stdc++6. Looks like with 64 bits becoming official, they provide now two different libraries. |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | make iup your mind! |
| 01:08.16 | darrh00 | /apt key |
| 01:08.19 | george | I don't have enough makeup! |
| 01:08.31 | darrh00 | /dpkg key |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:08.39 | JordiGH | george: Not all of libstdc++. Just a few source files, the ones that are scheduled to become part of the next C++ ISO draft. |
| 01:08.44 | george | besides... I don't think my mind would like those minerals! |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 01:08.49 | dpkg | somebody said apt secure was in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
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| 01:09.11 | JordiGH | george: Confusingly enough, the source file in question licenses under both GPL and the BSD-like license, with an old advertising clause, no less. |
| 01:09.21 | JordiGH | (which I thought was GPL-incompatible.) |
| 01:09.40 | Guerin | dual-licensing is acceptable,m though |
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| 01:09.55 | Guerin | if you choose the gpl option, you wouldn't need to include the ad clause |
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| 01:10.01 | george | btw, earlier I seem to have screwed myself pretty badly... I have a debian whose partitioning scheme is like a server (lotsa partitions) and my / partition died somehow... interesting how I fixed it: |
| 01:10.14 | zenwryly | anyone know if it's possible to install fedora core in a chroot under debian? |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | zenwryly: why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:10.24 | orchid | datrus_: do ls -l /dev/ptmx |
| 01:10.27 | JordiGH | Guerin: But the code is based on boost code which insists on having the advertisement go in derivative code... |
| 01:10.34 | Guerin | zenwryly: you're limited only by fedora's installation utilities. |
| 01:10.35 | george | JordiGH: that is confusing... and politically so as well |
| 01:10.38 | zenwryly | Guerin: sorry, bad question |
| 01:10.44 | orchid | datrus_: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 2006-11-20 20:09 /dev/ptmx <-- is it like that? |
| 01:11.00 | datrus_ | orchid: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 5, 2 2006-11-21 02:10 /dev/ptmx |
| 01:11.03 | Guerin | JordiGH: oh, so the lib SHOULD actually be bsd, not gpl, but is apparently gpl or bsd? |
| 01:11.05 | zenwryly | Guerin: how would I do it? I have a fedora core 1 ISO. How would I start the installation process in a chroot. |
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| 01:11.15 | darrh00 | msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 01:11.16 | JordiGH | Guerin: Apparently it's a mess. :-) |
| 01:11.21 | Guerin | zenwryly: no idea. Debian has a program called debootstrap for this. |
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| 01:11.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask the maintainer |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | or debian-legal |
| 01:11.40 | george | zenwryly: I'd guess the answer is yes... but I dunno if fedora has an equiv of debootstrap, which among other uses could make a debian chroot in a fedora :) |
| 01:11.50 | zenwryly | Guerin: debootstrap creates a base *debian* system, right? |
| 01:11.56 | stew | there is rpmstrap |
| 01:12.01 | Guerin | zenwryly: yes. |
| 01:12.01 | george | if it doesn't, you're doing it pretty much by hand |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | fedora has jumpstart or kickstart .. which is more like FAI |
| 01:12.19 | zenwryly | abrotman: ok, I'll look into that |
| 01:12.30 | asg | zenwryly: as long as the binaries used were for the same arch and said binaries didn't rely on any kernelishness particular to fedora, it should work. |
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| 01:12.53 | zenwryly | asg: right, it's just a matter of getting it started |
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| 01:13.08 | zenwryly | which is I suppose a question for another channel now that I think about it :) |
| 01:13.30 | datrus_ | orchid: i changed the perms, cool it works now, thanks! |
| 01:14.04 | datrus_ | orchid: strange, it was configured like that by default on my dedicated server (ovh) |
| 01:14.04 | eldowan | craigevil: I was able to use your gpg post over at OFTC. Thanks for the tibdit. :) |
| 01:14.05 | orchid | datrus_: np, if it wasnt that, I couldnt tell you what else it could be :) |
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| 01:15.18 | george | anyway about my badly broke system... it was a sarge so I copied what I could which was just /etc, /root and /boot to a backup place, wiped the partition and installed the base... after a bit of finigling, I got it to boot and mount all my partitions (so for example /var which has the pkg db is a mount, so is /usr) |
| 01:15.18 | george | and I had to reinstall a few packages |
| 01:15.18 | george | but I seem to be up :) |
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| 01:16.16 | Guerin | george: nice. |
| 01:17.41 | asg | watch out for that tree though |
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| 01:17.54 | george | oh, old cartoony thingy |
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| 01:18.56 | Guerin | friend to you and me |
| 01:19.08 | asg | watch out for that tree!?! |
| 01:19.16 | george | AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAA EEEEEEEAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 01:19.19 | Guerin | asg: you're out of order! |
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| 01:19.50 | asg | Guerin: expurgated version |
| 01:19.52 | george | point taken tho |
| 01:20.08 | george | I know my situation might have unexpected trees |
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| 01:20.28 | asg | hmmmm, iceweasel cometh |
| 01:20.34 | george | a lot of things seemed to want libreadline |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 01:20.58 | george | like sylpheed |
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| 01:21.35 | george | which I had but it might have been dead after the problem happened |
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| 01:22.24 | bathat | my graphics card was working fine with the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 01:22.26 | george | let me ask you this... this is a dual booter, linux and win2k |
| 01:22.29 | bathat | then i installed the debian drivers |
| 01:22.40 | bathat | and X started in with freezes |
| 01:22.50 | eldowan | bathat: did you do the nvidia-installer --uninstall? |
| 01:22.55 | george | hmmmm... could be the debian drivers :) |
| 01:22.58 | bathat | now when i go to use the drviers from nvidia, i get the same behavior |
| 01:23.03 | bathat | eldowan: yes |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | did you buy an nvidia card ? |
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| 01:23.25 | eldowan | bathat: I think I have had your problem. On boot, does it say something like removing nvidia tls drivers/files?? |
| 01:23.25 | george | nope... he knitted one! |
| 01:23.28 | bathat | erm, yes haha |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | that's where the problem started |
| 01:23.38 | bathat | eldowan: yes, it did say that |
| 01:23.43 | george | but what can you do |
| 01:23.45 | tonyb2006 | does sylpheed have a spam filter? |
| 01:23.48 | bathat | ah, you might be onto something |
| 01:24.01 | bathat | i tried selecting tls=0 in /etc/default/nvidia-glx |
| 01:24.04 | abrotman | tonyb2006: install it and see ? |
| 01:24.06 | bathat | and after that, i think it removed them |
| 01:24.11 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: i installed it |
| 01:24.16 | dooglus | I just ran an apt-get update and it told me: "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1". I've not changed my sources.list, so what's going on? This is a new message to me. |
| 01:24.17 | george | all these cards have proprietary drivers, none of the good ones let good drivers be open source |
| 01:24.21 | bathat | and nvidia-installer doesn't seem to install them again... under /usr/lib/nvidia, i believe |
| 01:24.35 | eldowan | bathat: uninstall your nvidia drivers again. you are having a startup script problem. look through your scripts after the uninstall and remove any nvidia-*** scripts there. |
| 01:24.36 | bathat | debian drivers have never worked for me |
| 01:24.40 | bathat | always freezes X |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | !tell dooglus about apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 01:24.52 | bathat | ok |
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| 01:24.56 | george | maybe the driver and x aren't compatable somehow |
| 01:24.59 | n00rul | bathat: try vesa driver |
| 01:25.02 | bathat | i've tried reinstalling and uninstalling quite a few times |
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| 01:25.06 | eldowan | bathat: I had the same problem. VESA will work fine for him |
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| 01:25.10 | bathat | well, the nv driver has always worked great |
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| 01:25.15 | n00rul | bathat: see whether it is working |
| 01:25.22 | eldowan | bathat: What ahppened is a script wasn't removed. |
| 01:25.29 | bathat | what exactly is vesa? |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | !vesa |
| 01:25.33 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 01:25.36 | bathat | ah |
| 01:25.38 | bathat | thx abrotman |
| 01:25.45 | eldowan | n00rul: it will work no problem. The issue is a startup script is killing him. |
| 01:25.54 | george | bathat: you use it to buy stuff! |
| 01:25.59 | bathat | i wasn't expecting an answer |
| 01:26.03 | n00rul | eldowan: startup script? |
| 01:26.06 | bathat | Wyzard helped me get the debian driver working |
| 01:26.14 | bathat | which i've always had trouble with |
| 01:26.15 | n00rul | bathat: which command do u use to start X |
| 01:26.20 | bathat | had to switch back to stock kernel |
| 01:26.20 | eldowan | n00rul: yes, I think abrotmat actually helped me find that out. |
| 01:26.26 | george | startx? |
| 01:26.29 | bathat | n00rul: gdm |
| 01:26.30 | dooglus | abrotman: thanks, but I don't understand. do you mean that there's an updated version of 'apt' available? because I don't see it. |
| 01:26.33 | george | just a guess :) |
| 01:26.37 | bathat | i cant' get startx to start the default env |
| 01:26.39 | bathat | xfce |
| 01:26.56 | bathat | it did at one point |
| 01:26.59 | eldowan | bathat: ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:26.59 | n00rul | bathat: are you able to see the login screen? |
| 01:27.05 | bathat | and more recently too, but it's broken again |
| 01:27.12 | abrotman | dooglus: new key |
| 01:27.19 | eldowan | n00rul: I bet it freezes during/after the logo. |
| 01:27.21 | bathat | n00rul: yes, that works |
| 01:27.36 | george | dooglus: there might be one for etch or sid... if for sid and not etch, that's a HUGE sign that sid is now diverging from testing again |
| 01:27.39 | n00rul | bathat: then I think there is no problem with driver and al |
| 01:27.40 | bathat | but when i go to play a video, say, it will freeze very quickly |
| 01:27.51 | bathat | however, my cursor disappearing seems to effect it |
| 01:27.52 | n00rul | bathat: problem might lie in xfce config files |
| 01:28.00 | bathat | when my cursor is no longer visible in mplayer |
| 01:28.05 | bathat | not sure if the two are related |
| 01:28.08 | n00rul | bathat: if that is your default wm. can't you try some other wm? |
| 01:28.24 | bathat | i've been trying enlightenment |
| 01:28.33 | bathat | oh, i don't know if i've ever tried xfce |
| 01:28.41 | n00rul | bathat: what does the error log say |
| 01:28.43 | bathat | because enlightenment is so fast.. |
| 01:28.46 | n00rul | bathat: look for the log |
| 01:28.47 | eldowan | bathat: by default mplayer will use HW acceleration to play video. If you have a buggy driver, it will cause it to crash. |
| 01:28.55 | n00rul | bathat: I use e16 too |
| 01:29.00 | dooglus | george: I'm running sid, and don't see an update to the 'apt' package |
| 01:29.11 | george | what about dpkg |
| 01:29.13 | bathat | well, i've tried using the xvidix driver for mplayer with the nv driver and it froze then too |
| 01:29.21 | bathat | n00rul: no problems... |
| 01:29.33 | n00rul | bathat: are u facing this problem recently ? |
| 01:29.46 | bathat | yes |
| 01:29.48 | n00rul | bathat: what change made this problem to appear |
| 01:29.54 | george | actually the prev thing applies to dpkg not apt or apt-get |
| 01:29.58 | bathat | installing the debian drivers |
| 01:29.59 | n00rul | bathat: can you guess? |
| 01:30.05 | bathat | now the prop. drivers don't work any better |
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| 01:30.06 | bathat | but they used to |
| 01:30.17 | bathat | i can't say i do |
| 01:30.21 | bathat | have a guess, that is |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | dan2: why are you in canada ? |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | oh .. california |
| 01:30.39 | dan2 | california is a great place |
| 01:30.40 | george | why are you in california? :) |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | why are YOU there ? |
| 01:30.53 | dan2 | abrotman: I decided to take a vacation |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:31.09 | dan2 | it's sunny, and warm |
| 01:31.21 | dan2 | I went to the amusement park yesterday, getty center, ucla etc |
| 01:31.23 | dan2 | it's fun |
| 01:31.31 | george | but get ready for some serious wet |
| 01:31.45 | dan2 | it doesn't rain here |
| 01:31.47 | BabyBee | beautiful girls |
| 01:31.57 | george | that's the rumor |
| 01:32.04 | dan2 | BabyBee: of course |
| 01:32.20 | bathat | i don't know whether to say this... |
| 01:32.20 | BabyBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.26 | george | then the polution will stay, along with the entertainment industry... |
| 01:32.28 | bathat | but i tested the card on my old motherboard and it worked fine |
| 01:32.31 | bathat | :( |
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| 01:32.51 | bathat | but, as i say, the card was working before just fine |
| 01:32.51 | n00rul | bathat: do you think it is because of the card for sure? |
| 01:33.03 | n00rul | bathat: there should be something in the error log |
| 01:33.05 | bathat | see, it could be the board itself |
| 01:33.31 | george | LA doesn't expect rain... you know this because they haven't built many reservoirs in the area |
| 01:33.46 | george | when it comes, they' |
| 01:33.51 | george | re a bit shocked :) |
| 01:33.52 | n00rul | bathat: well what made this to behave like this. of cource it wont happen in a morning |
| 01:33.53 | eldowan | bathat: load X with the vesa driver, and play around for a while. It shouldn't freeze there. |
| 01:33.59 | kingsley | FYI: There's a short video of a remarkable "burning GUI menu" effect at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZVNWFhndSs&NR |
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| 01:34.03 | boy`` | greetings all :) |
| 01:34.27 | n00rul | bathat: that is also a good idea. If it breaks then also then it should be some h/w problem. |
| 01:34.37 | n00rul | bathat: Vesa should work fine |
| 01:34.47 | bathat | ok, well i'll have to try that |
| 01:34.54 | n00rul | bathat: try that. this way we can narrow the gap |
| 01:35.12 | bathat | when i uninstall nvidia-glx |
| 01:35.13 | bathat | also |
| 01:35.17 | bathat | and then i try to play a video |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | kingsley: i'll be more impressed if you can find the source code for it :) |
| 01:35.23 | bathat | it can't find libGL.so |
| 01:35.27 | bathat | which is a part of nvidia-glx |
| 01:35.41 | bathat | but i've not had nvidia-glx installed until just recently and mplayer's always worked |
| 01:35.43 | n00rul | bathat: use the vesa driver |
| 01:35.55 | bathat | this is with the nv driver |
| 01:35.56 | eldowan | bathat: Just start with vesa. You have a borked driver. |
| 01:36.01 | bathat | ok |
| 01:36.03 | bathat | i submit ;) |
| 01:36.15 | bathat | which log should i check? |
| 01:36.17 | bathat | dmesg? |
| 01:36.20 | bathat | Xorg.0.log? |
| 01:37.07 | eldowan | bathat: for what? |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | errors? |
| 01:37.20 | n00rul | bathat: did you try with VESA? |
| 01:37.47 | bathat | not yet... am about to |
| 01:37.57 | george | what driver would I get for the later xfree86 running a radeon 9600se? |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | george: ati.com or use backports.org and get xorg |
| 01:38.21 | n00rul | george: use VESA |
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| 01:38.28 | abrotman | i don't think the radeon driver in xfree works on that card |
| 01:38.30 | n00rul | george: don't mess with closed stuffs |
| 01:38.35 | bathat | hi, i'm in a virtual terminal |
| 01:38.38 | bathat | testing vesa now |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | george: let me double check |
| 01:39.01 | george | thanks for that :) |
| 01:39.07 | jonathan__ | hello |
| 01:39.22 | n00rul | george: are you looking for acceleration? |
| 01:39.31 | n00rul | george: if not you can stick to VESA |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | george: should be fine with the radeon driver .. no DRI though |
| 01:39.52 | george | howbout w/dri? |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | use the ATI cards or go to xorg |
| 01:40.02 | bathat | i'm just a little confused how it's going to freeze if i don't explicitly use the nvidia driver |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | ermm .. ati drivers |
| 01:40.15 | bathat | ati drivers have terrible linux support |
| 01:40.16 | eldowan | bathat: The point is for it not to freeze |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | george: just try the radeon driver and see what happens |
| 01:40.32 | george | could you elaborate a bit on how the driver is associated with each? |
| 01:40.36 | bathat | so i'm guessing i should at least install nvidia-glx.. |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | with each what ? |
| 01:40.39 | george | or let me split that question |
| 01:40.41 | bathat | and the debian driver too... |
| 01:40.42 | vivithemage | has anyone got any ideas on this problem? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10244 |
| 01:40.53 | vivithemage | its unique afaik |
| 01:41.05 | george | so if I stick with the xfree, I would use the driver from ati? |
| 01:41.14 | george | also is that a kernel module? |
| 01:41.14 | eldowan | bathat: NO. uninstall all nvidia sw |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | george: try the radeon driver first |
| 01:41.32 | abrotman | george: if it doesn't do what you want .. we'll go from there |
| 01:41.33 | george | the one in xfree |
| 01:41.36 | george | ok |
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| 01:41.55 | bathat | alright |
| 01:42.00 | jonathan__ | i've been having some problems with fonts: if i say "xmessage hello" I get things like "Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | vivithemage: does it persist with the vesa driver? |
| 01:42.17 | george | 1642 frames in 5.0 seconds = 328.400 FPS |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | george: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 01:42.31 | george | glxgears oyutput |
| 01:42.41 | bathat | however, without nvidia-glx, i cannot play videos |
| 01:42.46 | bathat | which i'm still confused about |
| 01:42.58 | bathat | because it always used to work |
| 01:42.59 | eldowan | bathat: That is fine. uninstall all of your nvidia sw and stop X11 |
| 01:43.00 | vivithemage | abrotman, ive only tried the one liner |
| 01:43.05 | bathat | ok |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | vivithemage: try the vesa driver to see if you have the same issue |
| 01:43.17 | bathat | alright |
| 01:43.32 | vivithemage | ok thanks abrotman, ill try |
| 01:43.33 | eldowan | now, open a file-browser and go to /etc/init.d |
| 01:43.55 | eldowan | bathat: you will need to be root ^ |
| 01:44.22 | george | direct rendering: No |
| 01:44.41 | eldowan | bathat: Let me know when you are ready |
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| 01:46.15 | bathat | tested with a youtube video... runs fine |
| 01:46.20 | bathat | youtube used to freeze X too |
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| 01:46.37 | bathat | yeah, you need to be root to launch gdm |
| 01:46.52 | eldowan | bathat: so you are fixed? |
| 01:46.53 | bathat | startx starts gnome, which is borked |
| 01:47.00 | bathat | well, but i'm not sure |
| 01:47.10 | bathat | that tells me definitively |
| 01:47.15 | bathat | how? |
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| 01:47.33 | eldowan | bathat: how what? |
| 01:47.45 | bathat | how does that prove i'm fixed? |
| 01:47.54 | bathat | the nv driver works fine too |
| 01:48.09 | bathat | so doesn't that prove it just the same? |
| 01:48.12 | eldowan | bathat: n/m the way you were talking, I assumed.. |
| 01:48.17 | dooglus | I'm still getting that warning about unknown public key. is the only way to fix it to install the key dpkg told me about here? surely there should be a more secure way to do it than trusting a random factoid? |
| 01:48.29 | dooglus | I tried apt-key update, but that told me all my keys are up to date |
| 01:48.40 | bathat | dooglus: with apt-get? |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | dooglus: did you read what the bot told you ? |
| 01:48.49 | eldowan | bathat: have you removed all the nvidia s/w? |
| 01:48.50 | bathat | oh of course |
| 01:48.53 | dooglus | abrotman: yes |
| 01:48.57 | bathat | eldowan: yes |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | dooglus: you're getting the key from the gpg server |
| 01:49.05 | bathat | including the drivers from nvidia |
| 01:49.09 | dooglus | abrotman: it told me: [2006 key] apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:49.10 | eldowan | bathat: Now, browse to /etc/init.d/ as root |
| 01:49.15 | bathat | ok |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | not that one |
| 01:49.30 | dooglus | abrotman: I have apt 0.6.43.3 installed, yet get the warning anyway |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | !tell dooglus about apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 01:49.39 | bathat | oh yeah, there's still init scripts |
| 01:49.43 | bathat | for nvidia-kernel, etc |
| 01:49.45 | eldowan | look for a file starting with nv |
| 01:49.53 | bathat | do i stop that one? |
| 01:50.03 | eldowan | bathat: If you are *SURE* that all the NV software is gone, remove it. |
| 01:50.15 | dooglus | abrotman: that says "abrotman wants you to know: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -;" - but that will just tell apt to trst hey 6070D3A1, right? why should I trust that? it could be anyone's |
| 01:50.16 | eldowan | bathat: I mean *SURE* *SURE* |
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| 01:50.29 | bathat | well, there could be remnants left over? |
| 01:50.37 | bathat | but i've purged everything |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | dooglus: okay .. then don't .. |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | dooglus: i told you how to fix it .. i just used the same command |
| 01:51.06 | dooglus | abrotman: what I'm asking is how this should work. surely trusting random keys told to you by an IRC bot isn't the recommended upgrade path? |
| 01:51.23 | eldowan | bathat: you installed with the nvidia binary driver. that *could* leave residue |
| 01:51.32 | bathat | should i also purge nvidia-kernel-commn? |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | dooglus: you're adding a key |
| 01:51.41 | eldowan | bathat: yes |
| 01:51.42 | dooglus | abrotman: yes |
| 01:51.46 | bathat | eldowan: yeah, that's what i'm thinking |
| 01:51.49 | eldowan | bathat: ALL of it |
| 01:51.54 | bathat | none of the tls libs are leftover |
| 01:51.57 | bathat | ok |
| 01:51.58 | dooglus | abrotman: I'm telling apt to trust any package signed by that key, without knowing anything about whose key it is |
| 01:52.02 | dooglus | abrotman: is that wise? |
| 01:52.02 | bathat | including nvidia-settings? |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | dooglus: they added a new gpg key to the Release.gpg |
| 01:52.11 | eldowan | bathat: ALL of it |
| 01:52.19 | dooglus | abrotman: but didn't mention it anywhere I can trust? |
| 01:52.19 | bathat | ok ;) |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | dooglus: you can get info from the server to see who signed the key et |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | etc |
| 01:52.36 | eldowan | bathat: All the nv* scripts gone from /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:52.40 | eldowan | bathat: ? |
| 01:52.47 | perlmonk | !ati |
| 01:52.47 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:52.48 | dooglus | abrotman: it seems a little strange that the 2006 key would be released in november 2006 don't you think? |
| 01:52.55 | bathat | yep :) |
| 01:53.00 | bathat | !nvidia |
| 01:53.00 | dpkg | [nvidia] DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | pub 1024D/6070D3A1 2006-11-20 [expires: 2009-07-01] |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.or |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | that's the new key |
| 01:53.26 | bathat | it shouldn't be necessary to remove the nvidia-kernel source, i'm guessing |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | it's the etch key |
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| 01:53.48 | eldowan | bathat: I can only suggest. |
| 01:53.49 | bathat | i know you said EVERYTHING |
| 01:54.04 | bathat | ok, might as well purge that too |
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| 01:54.25 | eldowan | bathat: The reason I'm saying this is that I don't want you to remove any script put there by any of the packages that you need. |
| 01:54.26 | bathat | maybe it was still starting the init script |
| 01:54.36 | bathat | i see, makes sense |
| 01:55.06 | eldowan | bathat: That is what I've been trying to get across |
| 01:55.24 | bathat | yeah, you could very well be right |
| 01:55.28 | eldowan | bathat: You probably have a startup script left as residue, and you need to isolate it, and remove it. |
| 01:55.34 | eldowan | bathat: I've had it happen before. :D |
| 01:55.35 | bathat | yeah |
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| 01:55.44 | Schalken | do the debian repos always have the latest packages? that is, say a new version of gimp is released, a new package weill appear in the repo? |
| 01:55.45 | bathat | so.. what should i try now? |
| 01:55.47 | eldowan | bathat: I spent the better part of a week trying to figure it out. |
| 01:56.01 | eldowan | bathat: Everything is purged? and the scripts are removed at /etc/inti.d? |
| 01:56.05 | Miles_Prower | Schalken: Yes.. about 5 years after it's released. |
| 01:56.07 | bathat | yeppers |
| 01:56.36 | Schalken | Miles_Prower: what about in the 'testing' repo? |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: are you done being an ass? |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | Schalken: he's lying to you |
| 01:56.51 | eldowan | bathat: Alright, you can reboot, or you can try to install now. I would reboot just to make sure. Then install the debian drivers again. |
| 01:56.53 | Miles_Prower | abrotman, I'd have to start being one, first. hehe |
| 01:57.01 | Miles_Prower | I know testing is pretty good. |
| 01:57.07 | bathat | ok, thanks for your help, eldowan |
| 01:57.09 | bathat | hope this works |
| 01:57.10 | Miles_Prower | I was just talking about sage. =P |
| 01:57.15 | Miles_Prower | *sarge |
| 01:57.37 | Schalken | Miles_Prower: you mean 'testing's packages are pretty up to date? |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | Schalken: the packages are prepared by the DD, then uploaded and checked for debian-ness, then allowed into unstable. Once they are there and proven to be problem free, they would go into testing in 2-10 days(usually) |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: you're still being an ass |
| 01:58.00 | Miles_Prower | Schalken *nods at both abrotman and schalken* |
| 01:58.09 | Miles_Prower | Nah, I'm a fox, not a donkey |
| 01:58.10 | abrotman | !releases |
| 01:58.10 | dpkg | i guess releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 01:58.41 | Schalken | abrotman: so a new version of something comes out a package should appear in testing in a few weeks? awesome. :D |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | Schalken: it depends on the complexity of the package |
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| 01:59.00 | asg | Schalken: 2 - 10 days unless rc bugs hold it back |
| 01:59.02 | abrotman | Schalken: somethings take much longer |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | Schalken: some software is broken and doesn't get in nearly that fast |
| 01:59.22 | Schalken | abrotman: such as a new library? |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | Schalken: no .. like larger things .. like perhaps OO.o |
| 01:59.49 | Schalken | ah |
| 01:59.50 | Schalken | okay |
| 02:00.13 | Schalken | i dont like ooo on linux anyway :P |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | and when it nears release(like is currently happening) many things get held out |
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| 02:01.22 | Schalken | can i get some instructions on installing debian with kde (without gnome)? i am downloading the first etch dvd. |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | install the base .. then apt-get install kde kdm xorg |
| 02:02.12 | Schalken | abrotman: and reboot and all with be fine? |
| 02:02.26 | eldowan | Schalken: Hopefully, yes |
| 02:02.27 | abrotman | golly ... we hope so . that's the idea :) |
| 02:03.18 | Schalken | that means i dont select 'desktop environment' during installation right? |
| 02:03.33 | eldowan | Schalken: correct. |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | Schalken: do not . that will install gnome |
| 02:03.45 | eldowan | Schalken: only select the base sytem |
| 02:03.52 | VolVE | ok sci-fi fans, what's the novel series involving time travel and huge ships that are larger inside than out, with time tunnels and different races... ? I've completely forgotten the name! |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | Schalken: tasksel should be killed off |
| 02:04.26 | Schalken | abrotman: tasksel? |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | that's the little selector you were just in |
| 02:04.52 | Schalken | oh oaky |
| 02:04.53 | eldowan | Schalken: taskel is what you are looking at, select desktop environment, wwwserver, etc... |
| 02:05.31 | Schalken | after the base install, does it have my dvd as a package source already? |
| 02:05.40 | eldowan | Schalken: yes. |
| 02:05.50 | abrotman | yep .. but you should add an http source |
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| 02:05.53 | Schalken | wonderful. |
| 02:06.02 | eldowan | Schalken: isn't it? |
| 02:07.10 | Schalken | now i just have to wait 14hrs for the dvd |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | no |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | Schalken: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. get the RC1 netinst |
| 02:07.46 | eldowan | Schalken: look into the net installer. |
| 02:08.00 | abrotman | Schalken: way shorter download .. same net effect |
| 02:08.06 | eldowan | Schalken: It is only about 100 - 150 MB. |
| 02:08.18 | Schalken | i dont want to be waiting for my OS to download when i could be playing supertux |
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| 02:08.51 | abrotman | Schalken: trust us .. it's WAY better to use the netinst |
| 02:08.54 | eldowan | Schalken: You don't need the entire 4GB of data for the DVD install. If you are concerned with the time, the netinstaller is the fastest way. |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | Schalken: that first DVD probably contains gnome and xfce and god knows what else |
| 02:09.22 | eldowan | Schalken: You will download about 4.4 GB with the DVD. With the netinstaller, you only download what you need. AND you get the latest packages available. |
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| 02:09.25 | dooglus | Schalken: some things take a lot longer. GNOME 2.16 has been out for quite a while now, but it's not in unstable yet, let alone in testing. |
| 02:10.02 | eldowan | Schalken: If you are planning on only installing once, just use the netinstaller. If you are installing to many computers, mabye the DVD is better for you. By and large though, the netinstaller is the way to go. |
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| 02:10.36 | Schalken | well...i only have blank dvds and i dont wanna waste it by just burning 150mb |
| 02:10.37 | eldowan | bathat: how did it go? |
| 02:10.39 | bathat | well, it was a commendable effort, eldowan, but... no luck |
| 02:10.49 | bathat | froze very quickly this time |
| 02:10.52 | eldowan | bathat: Damn. sorry. |
| 02:10.53 | bathat | four seconds into the video |
| 02:11.00 | bathat | yeah, damn is right |
| 02:11.03 | bathat | i was hopeful, too |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | Schalken: have a DVDRW ? |
| 02:11.15 | eldowan | bathat: If you are up for investigation, you can do some snooping. |
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| 02:11.23 | Schalken | abrotman: no, dvd-r |
| 02:11.30 | bathat | idk, it's possible something happened to my mobo |
| 02:11.36 | Schalken | dvd-rw are expensive |
| 02:11.46 | bathat | but i honestly can't imagine |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | Schalken: honestly .. i'd still get the netinst .. up to you |
| 02:12.04 | bathat | i was thinking the problem stemmed from tls libs |
| 02:12.17 | eldowan | bathat: does it still show deleteing the tls.... at boot? |
| 02:12.22 | bathat | because i was never able to get the prop. drivers to work unless i installed both new and classic tls libs |
| 02:12.33 | bathat | hmm, didn't check this time |
| 02:12.53 | eldowan | bathat: if it is, there is one other thing I can think of that *might* help you out. |
| 02:12.54 | bathat | but they're all still there |
| 02:12.56 | Schalken | abrotman: how big is the download of just the base system+kde? |
| 02:13.07 | eldowan | bathat: Oh. n/m then. |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | Schalken: size of KDE + 200 MB or so |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | oh .. + size of xorg |
| 02:13.21 | bathat | although libglx.so.xlibmesa is pointing to a file that isn't there |
| 02:13.24 | eldowan | Schalken: 500 - 1000 MB |
| 02:13.31 | bathat | libglx.so.1.0.8776 |
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| 02:13.45 | eldowan | bathat: that is the 8776 drivers from nvidia. |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | Schalken: my / is 3.5GB used .. and i have TONS of random unused stuff on here |
| 02:14.06 | eldowan | that is bad if you are using the 9625 drivers like wyzard was talking about. |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | clean / i mean |
| 02:14.17 | bathat | mmm, not sure |
| 02:14.27 | bathat | the driver from nvidia is 8774 |
| 02:14.30 | bathat | not 8776 |
| 02:14.46 | bathat | i've tried the beta drivers |
| 02:14.56 | bathat | worked fine... before |
| 02:15.14 | eldowan | bathat: /msg dpkg enter |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | Schalken: and i'm a gnome user |
| 02:15.48 | bathat | libglx.so.xlibmesa is linked to this file |
| 02:15.49 | Schalken | an install download of 700mb will render my computer unusable for 3hrs |
| 02:16.01 | bathat | but it can't find it because it's linked through libGL.so.1 |
| 02:16.03 | bathat | i think |
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| 02:16.28 | abrotman | Schalken: it's just a download :) |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | Schalken: and you can install KDE in steps |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:16.34 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 02:16.52 | bathat | oh sorry about that |
| 02:16.52 | Schalken | humph |
| 02:16.56 | bathat | habit i guess |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | oh . only 1.5GB :) |
| 02:17.52 | asg | abrotman: the rest is your selective pr0n archive |
| 02:18.02 | Skiver | pr0n! |
| 02:18.03 | Schalken | lol |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | asg: /usr/pr0n/ :) |
| 02:18.12 | Schalken | !pr0n |
| 02:18.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, pr0n is porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 02:18.14 | eldowan | abrotman: is there an easy way to tell which folders are occupying the most space without traversing mount-points? |
| 02:18.35 | abrotman | eldowan: ls | xargs du -sk |
| 02:18.38 | asg | abrotman: /usr/.../nothingtoseehere/teletubbies |
| 02:18.50 | Schalken | hahaha nice to see a senseof humour in whoever puts the factoids in the bot |
| 02:19.18 | asg | Schalken: it's an amalgam of years of rather fun people in here; most, sadly, have now left. |
| 02:19.24 | Guerin | the bots are the collective wisdom and stupidity of #debian |
| 02:19.34 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 02:19.35 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
| 02:19.44 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:19.45 | dpkg | (about reiser) < dan2> abrotman: it's always worked fine for me |
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| 02:20.51 | asg | abrotman: re: dan2. OCaml is the best! (next day) <asg> how's the ocaml working out? <dan2> c++ is the best! |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | asg: he'd have ADD if he didn't keep getting distracted |
| 02:21.59 | eldowan | abrotman: example, / and /home If I view / I get all the file information about /home too, even though they are different partitions. |
| 02:22.11 | asg | abrotman: adhd+nddd |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | eldowan: df ? |
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| 02:23.32 | eldowan | abrotman: I guess I was asking to find which folders are eating the most on a given filesystem. |
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| 02:24.33 | abrotman | eldowan: cd / && ls | xargs du -sk |
| 02:24.44 | zu22 | first time i've seen seen, when doing my daily 'apt-get update' it says at the bottom: W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 , W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems. I ran it again but same problem. How can I resolve this? Not even sure what it means! |
| 02:24.55 | zu22 | s/seen seen/seen this |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 02:24.57 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 02:25.02 | bathat | does anyone know what the purpose of /etc/devfs/conf.d/apm is? |
| 02:25.09 | bathat | i know apm=advanced power management |
| 02:25.18 | eldowan | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 02:25.25 | zu22 | abrotman: i should run that command? |
| 02:25.28 | eldowan | bathat: To tell the system that your board is apm compliant? |
| 02:25.46 | abrotman | zu22: or you can be like dooglus and ignore it ..and whine anyways :) |
| 02:25.59 | zu22 | abrotman: heh |
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| 02:26.11 | bathat | ok, well, dpkg complained about the dir not being empty when i removed nvidia-kernel-common, so i was just wondering |
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| 02:26.25 | bathat | apparently it's no big deal though |
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| 02:26.45 | eldowan | bathat: I have no idea, I just took a stab in the dark |
| 02:26.48 | bathat | i'm going to try the drivers from nvidia yet again |
| 02:26.58 | zu22 | abrotman: that resolved the issue, much thanks :) |
| 02:27.01 | bathat | yeah, i got that ;) |
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| 02:27.08 | abrotman | zu22: you're welcome |
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| 02:29.21 | dooglus | abrotman: I think you might be missing the point |
| 02:29.22 | bathat | eldowan: is there anything that might give me some input into why my display is freezing? |
| 02:29.37 | bathat | i can't execute any commands after the freeze, so i'm somewhat limited |
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| 02:29.44 | dooglus | there's no point in using keys to sign things if any time the key fails you just download another one and use it |
| 02:29.54 | eldowan | bathat: I searched over forums, and search engines. IRC channels, etc... |
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| 02:30.13 | abrotman | dooglus: it is the *etch* key |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | dooglus: it's good for two years ... |
| 02:30.25 | asg | abrotman: no, it's the golden bail |
| 02:30.25 | bathat | reall, thanks |
| 02:30.29 | bathat | really* |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | asg: are you the gatekeeper? |
| 02:30.43 | bathat | maybe it's just enlightenment that's the problem |
| 02:30.48 | eldowan | bathat: No problem, sorry I couldn't help more. |
| 02:30.51 | asg | abrotman: are you the keymaster? |
| 02:30.54 | Schalken | does the installer give me the option of formatting and installing to a preexisting partition? |
| 02:30.58 | dooglus | abrotman: how do you know it's the etch key? |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | Schalken: yes |
| 02:31.01 | eldowan | Schalken: yes |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | dooglus: i showed you |
| 02:31.08 | bathat | no problem, i appreciate _any_ help |
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| 02:31.20 | cjari | hi I was updating some packages and after upgrading the initrd this is what it gives at boot: http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8339/kpwx3.png any ideas? |
| 02:31.23 | eldowan | bathat: Keep that attitude. It will get you so far in figuring out problems. |
| 02:31.25 | Schalken | and mount another prexisting partition to /home? |
| 02:31.26 | dooglus | abrotman: in this channel? |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | Schalken: if you wish |
| 02:31.40 | asg | dooglus: if you are paranoid (kudos on that). Wait for a few days, come here, and observe the mayhem (or lack of) |
| 02:32.01 | bathat | yeah, many parts combine to make a whole (solution) |
| 02:32.03 | iLLf8d | anyone have gnome meeting working? |
| 02:32.14 | iLLf8d | I was hoping to test mine if someones got the time |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | dooglus: your anxiety is shared .. they've tried a few things to alleviate the problem .. this etch key is one of them |
| 02:32.22 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 02:32.22 | dpkg | devconsole is probably http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 02:32.25 | enouf | when doing a /msg dpkg listvals (or listkeys) .. and it returns say 75 responses .. only maybe 10-15 appear .. how can I get dpkg to list all? or more? |
| 02:32.44 | bathat | i sort of wish the card didn't work any better on my other mobo since that seems to suggest it's hardware-related |
| 02:32.57 | george | is any part of perl still in debian base? say, by etch? |
| 02:33.13 | dooglus | abrotman: do you mean when you showed me that it has a uid of "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.or"? |
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| 02:33.19 | asg | george: since apt is written in perl, it should be. |
| 02:33.27 | dooglus | abrotman: because I can make you a key with that uid as well - it doesn't prove anything |
| 02:33.39 | george | I thought apt was in c++ :) |
| 02:33.41 | abrotman | dooglus: that's true with any GPG key |
| 02:33.45 | george | but.. ok |
| 02:33.46 | enouf | I had such a hard time finding the 'sarge upgrade kernel' factoid .. I started with 'sarge kernel upgrade' and got lost even further from there :-( |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | dooglus: i don't understand your problem .. you used to download pacakges from the repository when it was unsigned |
| 02:34.02 | eldowan | bathat: are you running a new system? or a system that has been used for a while? |
| 02:34.10 | enouf | notice the swappiness of kernel and upgrade ..do'h! |
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| 02:34.38 | dooglus | asg: I'm curious as to how this is supposed to work. is each sarge user supposed to manually add the etch key before upgrading, or what? |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | dooglus: what's the full key that's missing ? |
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| 02:35.04 | dooglus | abrotman: I don't understand your question, sorry. |
| 02:35.18 | niles | hi guys |
| 02:35.20 | niles | does kde 3.3 have a reputation for being sucky ? |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | dooglus: before there was no key .. and you just downloaded packages .. what's to say those weren't compromised as well ? |
| 02:35.30 | niles | folders fail to open after my computer has been on for some time. |
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| 02:35.43 | abrotman | dooglus: oh .. what's the actual error ? |
| 02:35.44 | asg | dooglus: eventually, yes. There will likely be a number of ways to check the key out of band at that time. Note, however, that etch is the testing release and not supported from a security standpoint. |
| 02:35.46 | enouf | I've tried the typical /msg dpkg listvals all sarge .. many different iterations .. none seem to work .. I'm doing something wrong obviously |
| 02:36.01 | pstickne | niles, it works great (well, I think I'm on 3.4) |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | dooglus: the full ASCII key string |
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| 02:36.32 | Van-WORK | how can i set mailx to send email using a external SMTP ? |
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| 02:36.45 | abrotman | set exim to use a smarthost probably |
| 02:36.45 | dooglus | asg: I would expect this problem to be automatically solved by apt itself - have a package signed by the old key deliver and install the new key. isn't that straightforward? |
| 02:36.46 | asg | Van-WORK: configure your mta |
| 02:37.20 | bathat_ | hmm, interesting, this time i couldn't even get to gdm |
| 02:37.20 | Van-WORK | mta? |
| 02:37.21 | asg | !mta |
| 02:37.21 | dpkg | well, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 02:37.21 | bathat_ | it froze on the splash screen |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | dooglus: how is that any different than installing a key yourself ? |
| 02:37.21 | Van-WORK | ok |
| 02:37.21 | Van-WORK | hwo cna i know which mta i used right now.. |
| 02:37.29 | asg | Van-WORK: if you don't know, you are using exim |
| 02:37.32 | Kinks__ | Van-WORK: if you never fiddled with it, it's exim |
| 02:37.36 | asg | Van-WORK: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:37.37 | dooglus | "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1" |
| 02:37.44 | Van-WORK | asq.. porblem is i installed a couple of mail server |
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| 02:37.50 | Van-WORK | but idnt uninstall it |
| 02:37.55 | Van-WORK | but i mnot sure anymore which one i am using |
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| 02:38.08 | asg | Van-WORK: well, what does sendmail -bV print? |
| 02:38.17 | eldowan | abrotman: I've tried the new etch key, but I get back that no changes were made, but I still get the key not found error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4561 |
| 02:38.21 | dooglus | abrotman: the difference is that I wouldn't have to trust you - I just have to trust whoever signed the package which updates the key, which I already do |
| 02:38.28 | bathat | eldowan: i may have stumbled onto something |
| 02:38.34 | Van-WORK | sendmail: fatal: unsupported: -b |
| 02:38.38 | george | oh man... salt... |
| 02:38.43 | bathat | i started plain-old X and it crashed with a backtrace |
| 02:38.43 | eldowan | bathat: ooooooooooohhh. do tell |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | dooglus: and supposing that package were compromised ? |
| 02:38.51 | bathat | libfb |
| 02:39.01 | dooglus | abrotman: then it would fail the md5sum check, and wouldn't be installed |
| 02:39.07 | bathat | let me try to duplicate the result |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | eldowan: i don't use aptitude |
| 02:39.13 | Van-WORK | asg: -b seem not to be a valid option |
| 02:39.16 | enouf | oh well .. it seems constantly slamming dpkg (over and over) gets the job done :-) ,, she seems to randomly throw out a varying list (15 of 188) .. typical for a women :-P |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | dooglus: no it wouldn't |
| 02:39.26 | george | I hate stumbling onto things... especially things like cement blocks located in random places |
| 02:39.44 | bathat | hmm, not able to duplicate |
| 02:39.53 | dooglus | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 02:40.02 | bathat | but i did let it run longer before going into a virtual terminal |
| 02:40.09 | enouf | george: in the dark ! ouch! |
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| 02:40.25 | asg | Van-WORK: then you aren't running exim. dpkg -l | egrep 'sendmail|postfix|qmail|ssmtp|nullmailer' |
| 02:40.39 | george | yeah, dark, rainy, outside... randomly located right outside a doorway... |
| 02:40.44 | george | faww down go BOOM |
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| 02:41.01 | bathat | darn, guess it was just a fluke |
| 02:41.11 | FireSlash | I've installed the gcc packages, but I seem to be missing support for c99. I searched for a package on debian's website AND in apt-cache, but couldn't find one that specifically includes c99 support. |
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| 02:41.24 | FireSlash | Also, it appears the normal gcc package provides it... o.O |
| 02:41.24 | Van-WORK | postfix, sendmail-base, sendmail-bin, sendmail-cf |
| 02:41.35 | FireSlash | Yet I still get warning: ISO C90 does not support `long long' |
| 02:41.35 | Van-WORK | asg: postfix, sendmail-base, sendmail-bin, sendmail-cf |
| 02:41.37 | asg | FireSlash: did you install build-essential? |
| 02:41.57 | FireSlash | No, I specifically selected gcc. |
| 02:42.25 | asg | FireSlash: install build-essential |
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| 02:43.03 | asg | Van-WORK: hmmm, then I expect you are running postfix |
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| 02:43.40 | eldowan | abrotman: I've tried the new etch key, but I get back that no changes were made, but I still get the key not found error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4562 apt-get better? |
| 02:44.10 | abrotman | eldowan: i wonder if aptitude has different key management |
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| 02:44.20 | FireSlash | asg, Done. Still getting the same error. |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | eldowan: apt-key list .. see it ? |
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| 02:44.22 | bathat | i must note that i was once knocked into a virt. terminal with the message, critical temp reached |
| 02:44.28 | asg | FireSlash: what debian version are you using? |
| 02:44.35 | bathat | so i tried a high cfm fan but that didn't help |
| 02:44.39 | FireSlash | asg, sarge |
| 02:44.42 | eldowan | no |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | eldowan: then it didn't import |
| 02:45.17 | eldowan | abrotman: so the one liner didn't fix it? now what? |
| 02:45.25 | asg | FireSlash: and /usr/bin/c99 doesn't exist? |
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| 02:45.50 | FireSlash | Hmm. it does. But it's not using it. |
| 02:46.15 | FireSlash | gcc -Wall -c -g -O0 -ansi -pedantic -std=c99 main.c |
| 02:46.15 | FireSlash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:46.51 | abrotman | eldowan: try it again .. what's the error ? |
| 02:46.56 | asg | FireSlash: you may need to export GCC=c99 or export CC=c99. Not sure though |
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| 02:47.43 | smacnay | I am getting (as of today) an error message about one key not being either valid or up to date, when running aptitude. Is this a new issue or is this just me? |
| 02:47.52 | FireSlash | Tried both. No change. |
| 02:47.53 | danny | how do you set auto logoff on etch |
| 02:48.04 | asg | smacnay: no, it's happening to everyone |
| 02:48.14 | george | you want it to log your car off??! |
| 02:48.16 | asg | danny: export TMOUT=<num seconds> |
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| 02:49.00 | eldowan | abrotman: Ahh. I'm in a root terminal. I needed to take the sudo off the last bit. |
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| 02:50.33 | abrotman | ah yeah |
| 02:50.34 | _jonas | hy |
| 02:50.37 | _jonas | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:50.37 | _jonas | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 02:50.39 | _jonas | ;/ |
| 02:50.39 | dfinn | is there a way to grep for lines that end in "," |
| 02:50.42 | _jonas | how2fix |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 02:50.52 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | and try proper english :) |
| 02:50.58 | _jonas | ty |
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| 02:51.10 | asg | dfinn: egrep ',$' |
| 02:51.40 | danny | does the export TMOUT=300 remain after bootup or do i need to do anything else |
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| 02:52.23 | FireSlash | Hmm. Fixed. Seems -ansi overrides -std=c99 in debian. o.O |
| 02:52.25 | asg | danny: based on your question, you might want to explain what you mean by 'auto logoff' |
| 02:52.46 | dfinn | asg: thank you very much |
| 02:52.54 | asg | dfinn: you're welcome |
| 02:52.57 | smacnay | asg: thanks. |
| 02:53.11 | danny | asg: i want the machine to logoff after some time of being idle so a password is required again |
| 02:53.20 | george | danny: depends on where you decide to put that line |
| 02:53.30 | Guerin | danny: you want xscreensaver or such |
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| 02:53.37 | asg | danny: are you talking about in a console, terminal window, or desktop environment? |
| 02:53.41 | Guerin | danny: similar things exist for console |
| 02:53.47 | danny | asg: gnome |
| 02:53.57 | Guerin | you can even set screen(1) to do it, i think |
| 02:54.00 | asg | danny: then you'll need xscreensaver as mentioned above |
| 02:54.25 | _jonas | hy2nf1_ |
| 02:54.25 | asg | Guerin: that doesn't lock the keyboard so it's trivial to pop to other workspaces, etc. |
| 02:54.30 | Guerin | oh |
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| 02:54.46 | danny | asg: thnks |
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| 02:58.30 | slept | how can I fix : W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 , if apt-get update doesn't fix it ? |
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| 02:58.58 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.58 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 02:59.26 | eldowan | should !apt-key 6070D3A1 be listed in the topic string? |
| 03:00.01 | _jonas | yes |
| 03:00.17 | slept | thanks |
| 03:00.20 | _jonas | although i didn't read the topic before i asked ;p |
| 03:00.31 | _jonas | because the topic is huge |
| 03:01.09 | eldowan | _jonas: That is what I was thinking. |
| 03:01.44 | slept | well, yes I didnt read it either , so it might not help ... |
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| 03:02.31 | ForzaPalermo | i was wondering if anyone can help me with knetwork manager.... i can get my wireless connection to work with iwconfig.... but knetwork manager doesnt detect anything |
| 03:02.37 | ForzaPalermo | i am using a broadcom chipset |
| 03:04.02 | eldowan | what happened to qtparted? |
| 03:04.09 | eldowan | in etch. |
| 03:04.51 | slept | how do I make my dhcp client use the /etc/dhclient.conf configfile at boottime , what is this configfile goos for it it is not used ?? |
| 03:05.09 | slept | s/goos/good/ |
| 03:05.35 | eldowan | slept: your dhcp client *should* use your dhclient.conf |
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| 03:06.05 | Plouj | what am I supposed to apt-get in order to install the X.org server? |
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| 03:06.18 | eldowan | Plouj: aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 03:06.24 | eldowan | Plouj: or apt-get xserver-xorg |
| 03:06.25 | ForzaPalermo | can anyone help me with my knetworkmanager probleM/ |
| 03:06.37 | slept | yes, but it doesn't I have to use it like : dhclient -cf /etc/dhclient.conf to make it work |
| 03:07.18 | eldowan | slept: I have never used called it like that. My system has dhclient installed, and it should make use of that file, I assume anyway. |
| 03:07.46 | Plouj | E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg |
| 03:08.13 | Plouj | so |
| 03:08.15 | eldowan | Plouj: Are you running sarte? |
| 03:08.18 | Plouj | what's the real package name? |
| 03:08.21 | eldowan | s/sarte/sarge/ |
| 03:08.27 | slept | eldowan, I need the reject option because some idiot has set up an dhcp server that is completely useless but faster than the original one in my network |
| 03:08.33 | stew | Plouj: x-window-system-core |
| 03:08.34 | Plouj | I don't think so |
| 03:08.46 | eldowan | Plouj: ^^ |
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| 03:08.54 | Plouj | cat /etc/*version |
| 03:08.54 | Plouj | 3.1 |
| 03:09.08 | eldowan | slept: I'm not sure I can help you with that. |
| 03:09.10 | Plouj | that's all I know |
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| 03:09.23 | Plouj | stew: that works |
| 03:09.43 | slept | eldowan, thanks anyway - now you know it doesnt use its config ... |
| 03:10.12 | eldowan | slept: but I change my hostname there for my dhcp server, and it works fine. I have done it on about 5 systems in my network. |
| 03:11.26 | slept | eldowan, hmmm now I am surprised - at least it works the way I was expecting it to ... |
| 03:11.34 | slept | etch ? |
| 03:11.51 | eldowan | slept: That is what I run. |
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| 03:12.10 | slept | well than it should work for me aswell i assume - damn |
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| 03:13.12 | eldowan | slept: I will post the contents of my dhclient.conf; compare it to yours if you want. |
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| 03:14.09 | eldowan | slept: http://pastebin.ca/253810 |
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| 03:14.26 | quintin | How would I take a screenshot every X seconds from a movie? |
| 03:15.24 | eldowan | quintin: cron job? |
| 03:15.25 | slept | eldowan, thanks - but my config is fine - at least it works when i use the -cf option to specify the configfile ... |
| 03:15.25 | abrotman | except cron only works on minutes |
| 03:15.25 | quintin | eldowan: ehm ... |
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| 03:15.40 | Guerin | quintin: mplayer can do this |
| 03:15.42 | eldowan | quintin: Or you could write a shell script that runs the command, pauses, and then loops. Thats all I got. |
| 03:16.16 | quintin | Guerin: reallly. #mplayer was useless. I have the html docs open now... |
| 03:16.22 | Guerin | taking screenshots typically doesn't work, since most video players use xv output, which writes directly to the gpu, not the toe screen |
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| 03:16.52 | eldowan | Guerin: But, you can specify a non-accelerated mplayer instance if desired. |
| 03:16.59 | Guerin | eldowan: yes. |
| 03:17.09 | jfz | i've never used debian, is it possible to install testing packages on a stable distribution in order to get some of the new stuff, or should i just go head and install the testing distro? |
| 03:17.12 | Guerin | but then you get sync [problems, etc. |
| 03:17.14 | quintin | Guerin: any tips ? |
| 03:17.23 | abrotman | !ops alch^_^ |
| 03:17.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: alch^_^ |
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| 03:17.41 | eldowan | jfz: check out backports |
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| 03:17.44 | Guerin | jfz: there are backports of newer packages dfor stable, but mixing branches is unwise. |
| 03:17.49 | eldowan | abrotman: what is alch^_^? |
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| 03:17.58 | jfz | ack |
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| 03:18.05 | jfz | i've never used debian, is it possible to install testing packages on a stable distribution in order to get some of the new stuff, or should i just go head and install the testing distro? |
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| 03:18.08 | eldowan | abrotman: n/m |
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| 03:18.10 | eldowan | jfz: check out backports |
| 03:18.14 | pstickne | mixing testing and stable led to some... interesting results. stick to backports unless you like to deal with "fun" cases :X |
| 03:18.22 | jfz | thanks |
| 03:18.47 | Guerin | quintin: i've seen it dome, don't recall how. There's a jpg output, and I think you use it with the -fps or such flag |
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| 03:19.51 | thelostbutler | hello folks, is there a bug in unstable that says Debian 4.0 at login prompt after the usual apt-get update and upgrade ? |
| 03:20.02 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: no |
| 03:20.07 | krazykit | it's not a bug. |
| 03:20.23 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: that's not a bug; that's because base-files has to be upgraded to say 4.0 before we release etch. |
| 03:21.14 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: aah i see, for some reason , i always thought it had to say unstable/testing |
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| 03:22.14 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: it says that unless we're preparing for a release. |
| 03:23.12 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: thanks for the clarification :) |
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| 03:23.47 | Plouj | wtf, why isn't there a package called vim? |
| 03:23.56 | Plouj | what am I supposed to install to get the improved vi? |
| 03:24.02 | abrotman | apt-cache search vim |
| 03:24.14 | abrotman | !info vim etch |
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| 03:24.26 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:7.0-122+1 (etch), Packaged size: 727 kB, Installed size: 1408 kB |
| 03:24.46 | Plouj | my apt-cache doesn't show vim: |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | which versino of debian ? |
| 03:24.55 | Plouj | 3.1 |
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| 03:25.15 | abrotman | sarge has vim |
| 03:25.15 | dondelelcaro | !info vim sarge |
| 03:25.22 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:6.3-071+1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 690 kB, Installed size: 1364 kB |
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| 03:25.38 | abrotman | while typing? |
| 03:25.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I have extra thumbs for twiddling |
| 03:25.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:26.02 | eldowan | what happened to qtparted? |
| 03:26.22 | abrotman | Plouj: in your sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) .. do you have an http source ? |
| 03:26.44 | Plouj | I have: |
| 03:26.45 | Plouj | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | how about "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 03:27.29 | abrotman | how about "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib" |
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| 03:28.34 | abrotman | does .ca even have a mirror? |
| 03:28.38 | abrotman | does .ca even have internet? |
| 03:28.59 | abrotman | grr .. |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | Plouj: there is no ftp.ca.debian.org .. moment |
| 03:29.19 | dondelelcaro | ftp.us.debian.org is probably good enough from canadia |
| 03:29.24 | abrotman | how about "deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ sarge main contrib" |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | there's a fence! |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | they can't get in! |
| 03:30.13 | eldowan | NOOOOOO!!! Not a fence!! |
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| 03:31.55 | bintut | any isc dhcp users/guru here? |
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| 03:32.18 | thelostbutler | am i the only person who thinks that the new debian's graphical installer looks girly because of the pinkish colour :D |
| 03:32.41 | bintut | is it possible with /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf that i have a pool {} and inside that have a group {}? |
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| 03:33.35 | maher | how do i get icedov to give me an error log or something? |
| 03:33.37 | dondelelcaro | bintut: no. |
| 03:33.46 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you have groups outside, and inside the pool you allow groups. |
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| 03:34.24 | bathat | eldowan: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_nVidia_Drivers#X_freezes_when_running_glxinfo_or_OpenGL_apps |
| 03:34.32 | abrotman | maher: error log ? |
| 03:34.42 | bathat | this is possibly my problem, not sure yet |
| 03:35.18 | maher | abrotman: it wasn't connecting - but something more informative than "couldn't connect to server" WOULD BE USEFUL |
| 03:35.19 | eldowan | bathat: you have a 64bit system? |
| 03:35.25 | bathat | no |
| 03:35.26 | bintut | dondelelcaro: you mean this one? ==> groups { pool {} } |
| 03:35.26 | maher | oops - caps lock accident |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | maher: anything if you run it from xterm ? |
| 03:35.47 | dondelelcaro | bintut: no, I mean groups {} pool{} |
| 03:35.49 | eldowan | bathat: the nxbit is only in 64bit systems. No harm in looking though. |
| 03:35.56 | bathat | oh no |
| 03:36.07 | maher | abrotman: not a peeop |
| 03:36.08 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you use groups to assign options to a set of hosts, and you use pools to declare address regions that can be allocated. |
| 03:36.13 | maher | abrotman: s/peeop/peep |
| 03:36.25 | maher | abrotman: oh well - its working now... |
| 03:36.33 | enouf | eldowan: see http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=qtparted and /msg dpkg why is qtparted not in testing :-) |
| 03:36.47 | abrotman | maher: okay .. have a good night :) |
| 03:37.04 | bintut | dondelelcaro: we have a class b network here and i want to give 256 hosts for each department and each department has a full blown workstations and ltsp thin clients.. what do you suggest for this kind of network? |
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| 03:37.43 | eldowan | enouf: I'll learn to use dpkg correctly yet! |
| 03:37.48 | bintut | dondelelcaro: so, groups {} and pool {} should be separate.. |
| 03:37.51 | slept | where do I make my dhclient make use its configfile (/etc/dhclient.conf) at boottime - right now it doesn't and I don't know why ? |
| 03:38.04 | bintut | dondelelcaro: we're using 172.16.0.0/16 here |
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| 03:38.12 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 03:38.18 | dondelelcaro | bintut: pretty much; when I last was doing that sort of thing, I actually was using classes to assign people to pools. Do you need to have static addresses? |
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| 03:38.49 | bintut | dondelelcaro: yes, fixed-address for all identified workstations and thin clients |
| 03:39.01 | enouf | eldowan: me too ! .. took me a few minutes to find that :-P .. tried "why is qtparted not in etch" and many variants .. finally used the listkeys option :-) |
| 03:39.14 | eldowan | enouf: listkeys? |
| 03:39.28 | enouf | eldowan: for ex; yes .. /msg dpkg listkeys why |
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| 03:40.18 | eldowan | bintut: I have many entries of this nature; host <hostname> { hardware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx; |
| 03:40.27 | eldowan | fixed-address ip.ip.ip.ip; > |
| 03:40.42 | eldowan | the last > should be } |
| 03:41.01 | bathat | this exactly describes my problem, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75518 |
| 03:41.10 | enouf | eldowan: there's also listvals option .. but anyway ..by just substituting 'testing' instead of etch .. she workie :-) |
| 03:41.16 | dondelelcaro | bintut: yeah, then you just use a whole bunch of group{ host{}} statements,. |
| 03:41.24 | bathat | so at least i'm seeing other people with the same exact problem |
| 03:41.52 | bintut | dondelelcaro and eldowan: can i ask a sample of your dhcpd.conf if it's ok with you? |
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| 03:42.23 | dondelelcaro | bintut: I don't have one handy that'd do what you want, unfortunatly... but the dhcpd.conf manpage has some examples. |
| 03:42.32 | eldowan | bintut: just a sec. |
| 03:42.37 | enouf | bintut: /usr/share/doc/lg/issue77/misc/tips/dhcpd.conf.txt but you'll need to have lg installed |
| 03:42.40 | eldowan | bintut: FYI, I have a small user base. |
| 03:43.12 | enouf | bintut: or go onto internet to www.linuxgaxette.com and search issue 77 |
| 03:43.19 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i read the manpage but i would much appreciate for a similar example of my need |
| 03:43.31 | eldowan | bintut: Actually, mine isn't really anything to look through. I only have the basic subnet block and a bunch of host entries. |
| 03:43.44 | enouf | bintut: bah! www.linux-gaxette.com maybe search issue 77 |
| 03:43.51 | bintut | i am confused on how to group this and give different permissions and others.. |
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| 03:43.57 | bintut | eldowan: it's ok.. |
| 03:44.04 | bintut | enouf: thanks.. i'll check it out.. |
| 03:44.06 | enouf | doh ... TYPO b0z0! .. www.linuxgazette.com |
| 03:44.24 | eldowan | bathat: Did the NvAGP work for you? |
| 03:44.33 | bathat | yeah, i'm going to try that right now |
| 03:44.37 | eldowan | :D |
| 03:44.46 | bathat | i certainly hope it will do the trick! |
| 03:44.52 | Schalken | can someone point me to the latest 'testing' netinst image for i686? |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:45.28 | eldowan | Schalken: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:45.51 | eldowan | abrotman: you just type too damn fast. |
| 03:45.56 | bintut | enouf: linux-gazette nor linuxgazette doesn't exist |
| 03:45.59 | abrotman | it's not intentional |
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| 03:46.51 | Schalken | whats the effective difference between 'etch rc1', 'weekly snapshot' and 'daily builds'? |
| 03:46.57 | deadlyninja | is there a built in package for choosing a fast mirror? the mirror i picked is slow |
| 03:47.02 | bintut | enouf: i found it already.. http://linuxgazette.net/ |
| 03:47.03 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 03:47.29 | Schalken | and is there a reason to choose anything other than the daily? |
| 03:47.33 | enouf | CRAP!! ..... I teh suXoRz indeed |
| 03:47.44 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:47.54 | abrotman | Schalken: dailies are borked sometimes |
| 03:48.04 | abrotman | this close to release shouldn't be as risky |
| 03:48.29 | Schalken | abrotman: :S what would you recommend? |
| 03:48.33 | enouf | gotta remember that .. but I got all issues locally so .. I never need the web adddress .. http://linuxgazette.net/archives.html |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | Schalken: RC1 |
| 03:49.12 | Schalken | RC1 it is |
| 03:50.36 | bintut | enouf: the dhcpd.conf config file attached on issue77 of the linuxgazette.net is just a simple config.. thanks anyway.. |
| 03:51.03 | Schalken | abrotman: im getting the netinst cuz for some reason kget restarted the dvd download :( |
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| 03:51.40 | bathat | nope |
| 03:51.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:51.54 | bathat | that one really got my hopes flying high |
| 03:53.06 | eldowan | bathat: try disabling composite extensions and see if the nvidia driver still acts up. |
| 03:53.18 | bathat | yeah, i saw that one suggested |
| 03:53.24 | bathat | any idea how i do that? |
| 03:53.26 | slept | will etch keep 2.6.18 or might the kernel be changed to .19 in a while ? |
| 03:53.30 | bathat | oh |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | etch has 2.6.17 |
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| 03:54.38 | bathat | got it, eldowan |
| 03:54.46 | enouf | Schalken: should've used wget .. the -c option(?) for continue .. maybe kget can do that too .. |
| 03:54.54 | craigevil | the goal is to release etch with the 2.6.18 kernel, at least thats the last I read |
| 03:55.38 | enouf | nods |
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| 03:56.22 | enouf | which ain't worth much :-P |
| 03:56.29 | slept | abrotman, oh, well i forgot that i got mine from sid cause sound was not working ... so will it stick with .17 or is that about to change at some time ? |
| 03:56.40 | eldowan | enouf: I like how wget will resume a transfer that wasn't started with the -c option :D |
| 03:56.48 | abrotman | slept: only time will tell |
| 03:56.59 | enouf | eldowan: precisely .. |
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| 03:58.27 | lanb | Hello |
| 03:58.35 | lanb | anyone apt-get update today? |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | did you add the key ? |
| 03:59.09 | slept | the actual reason why I ask this is cause i want to ipw3945 to work but if the kernel changes the ieee80211 part it might be less work or if ipw would actually be in debian that might help aswell |
| 03:59.15 | bathat | my graphics card is pci, so it seems like specifying 'nvagp 0' would be a good idea |
| 03:59.20 | lanb | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 03:59.21 | lanb | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 03:59.28 | bathat | although i don't know what it does |
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| 03:59.41 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 03:59.41 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:59.41 | lanb | I got this error message when I tried to apt-get update |
| 03:59.55 | eldowan | abrotman: keys of fire, let me tell you. |
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| 04:00.04 | abrotman | eldowan: i blame my parents |
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| 04:00.40 | Miles_Prower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS omg. |
| 04:00.47 | eldowan | bathat: My guess is nvagp set to 0 means that the card is NOT AGP under any default value. Make sure to keep the case correct though. |
| 04:00.51 | lanb | I got it, thank you dpkg |
| 04:01.12 | eldowan | abrotman: I blame society |
| 04:01.17 | bathat | yeah, my guess is the same |
| 04:01.21 | magyar | hi, is there program that does time sync every hour with ntp servers? |
| 04:01.26 | eldowan | abrotman: it just seems easier that way. |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | okay |
| 04:01.38 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: where have you been ? |
| 04:01.50 | eldowan | magyar: ntp? |
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| 04:02.07 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: during which time span? I've been a LOT of places. |
| 04:02.22 | abrotman | even the bot knows about it! |
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| 04:04.29 | cam | after loading up a kernel, it displays a lot of lines output. is it possible to do like a |less or |more ? I would like to read every lines before it crashes cauz of a VFS error ... |
| 04:04.43 | magyar | eldowan: well not really, there is ntpdate that runs once when the networking is started, but after a few weeks of uptime the clock driffts. I was wondering if there is a program that can be installed to do the sync with ntp servers |
| 04:05.50 | eldowan | magyar: I imagine you can cron the ntpdate for every hour of every day |
| 04:06.22 | Miles_Prower | I just cron it once at midnight. |
| 04:06.23 | Miles_Prower | =P |
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| 04:07.50 | eldowan | goodnight all enjoy the channel |
| 04:08.04 | grim | anyone able to help me get a package removed? I had the nvidia kernel driver installed from nvidia-kernel-source, and then installed over it with the latest beta driver from nvidia (whoops). When I try to remove nvidia-glx, it fails because a file is supposed to get overwrittent even with --force-overwrite and --force-overwrite-diverted to dpkg. any suggestions? |
| 04:08.30 | bintut | dondelelcaro and eldowan: kindly check out my initial dhcpd.conf file at http://paste.debian.net/17001 |
| 04:09.16 | bathat | grim: do: nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 04:09.16 | huhlig | hmm |
| 04:09.20 | bathat | then remove nvidia-glx |
| 04:09.45 | bathat | !nvidia |
| 04:09.45 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 04:10.41 | grim | bathat: thanks |
| 04:10.47 | bathat | yw |
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| 04:13.12 | grim | bathat: that still doesn't seem to have fixed it.. and naturally, nvidia-installer is gone now.. |
| 04:13.29 | bathat | nvidia-installer is gone? |
| 04:13.43 | bathat | the binary file? |
| 04:14.02 | grim | it was in my path before... it's not after running it with --uninstall |
| 04:14.21 | grim | which makes sense.. but i still can't purge nvidia-glx |
| 04:15.19 | bathat | i had to extract to a directory |
| 04:15.25 | bathat | extract the contents of the .run file |
| 04:15.40 | bathat | this isn't necessary, but did you do this? |
| 04:16.05 | grim | not during the last install... |
| 04:16.41 | grim | like i said though, i thought the last time i installed the driver that i used the installer from nvidia, but i actually used the nvidia-kernel-source package with module-assistant.. |
| 04:16.47 | grim | so i ended up overwritten the package |
| 04:16.55 | bathat | yeah |
| 04:16.55 | grim | s/overwritten/overwritting/ |
| 04:17.11 | bathat | try extracting to a dir with the x flag |
| 04:17.37 | bathat | actually, that's not necessary |
| 04:17.44 | bathat | that's just the way i've done it |
| 04:18.01 | grim | trying to uninstall again fails with "no nvidia driver currently installed" |
| 04:18.17 | bathat | oh ok, so the driver _has_ been removed |
| 04:18.32 | grim | yeah, but i can't remove the nvidia-glx package from dpkg |
| 04:19.01 | grim | although i wonder if i could do it with rebuilding the module with m-a and then purging that by hand.. |
| 04:19.03 | bathat | dpkg -l|grep nvidia-glx |
| 04:19.20 | bathat | does it say 'ii' or 'pi'...? |
| 04:19.22 | grim | it's there |
| 04:19.37 | grim | pH actually |
| 04:19.41 | bathat | oh |
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| 04:19.49 | KnowledgEngi | hello |
| 04:19.51 | grim | and i don't even know wth the H is :) |
| 04:19.55 | KnowledgEngi | someone use rosegarden?? |
| 04:19.57 | bathat | well, i think that means it's partially removed |
| 04:20.08 | grim | that sounds about right |
| 04:20.10 | KnowledgEngi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.12 | bathat | but i'm fairly sure the 'p' is for purge |
| 04:20.23 | KnowledgEngi | but i think that rosegarden need a low-latency kernel |
| 04:20.28 | KnowledgEngi | :°°°°°°°°°°°( |
| 04:20.37 | KnowledgEngi | |
| 04:20.38 | KnowledgEngi | The resolution of the timer of system is too much low Rosegarden has not found one source of the timer to high resolution for reproduction MIDI. This could mean that a Linux with one is being used kernel resolution of the timer too much low. It contacts your Linux distributor for having more information. |
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| 04:22.08 | grim | bathat: yeah, and apt-get -f install tries to remove it but it dies on the same error, i'm going to try rebuilding to see if i can fix it that way |
| 04:22.24 | bathat | alright |
| 04:22.58 | grim | yeah, that failed with the same problem.. |
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| 04:24.13 | grim | well that got me now where... trying to reinstall nvidia-glx failed of course while trying to remove the old nvidia-glx |
| 04:24.21 | grim | so yeah, still have the same problem.. |
| 04:24.31 | bathat | hmm |
| 04:25.15 | beardy | !ops theSSzoner spammer |
| 04:25.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: beardy complains about: theSSzoner spammer |
| 04:25.28 | bathat | i seriously doubt it will help, but you could always try rebooting |
| 04:25.55 | grim | won't help.. heres the exact error (going to take me a min to type it out...) |
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| 04:26.19 | grim | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/libGL.so' with different file '/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed |
| 04:26.24 | bathat | ah yes |
| 04:26.29 | bathat | i was getting this exact error |
| 04:26.54 | bathat | dpkg-divert --remove --rename libGL.so |
| 04:27.13 | KnowledgEngi | exist a good distribution for music working |
| 04:27.18 | KnowledgEngi | midi |
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| 04:27.29 | aalex | Hi all |
| 04:27.30 | KnowledgEngi | writing music in a score |
| 04:27.42 | KnowledgEngi | audio synthesy..... |
| 04:27.54 | grim | bathat: it said there were not any diversions, so there were none removed |
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| 04:28.02 | aalex | I need to remaster a live CD for my multimedia app. Am I better to use Kanotix or Knoppix ? |
| 04:28.09 | KnowledgEngi | a need a distribution good for a persone that work with music |
| 04:28.20 | Guerin | !htfswk aalex |
| 04:28.20 | dpkg | aalex: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:28.29 | Guerin | KnowledgEngi: try demudi |
| 04:28.37 | bathat | wait, i don't think this is the exact same error i was getting |
| 04:28.49 | Guerin | KnowledgEngi: but don't ask us for help with it, because we don't know |
| 04:29.02 | bathat | you could either remove libGL.so or move it to another location |
| 04:29.07 | aalex | Guerin, well. Both are Debian-based |
| 04:29.07 | bathat | and then try removing nvidia-glx |
| 04:29.14 | beardy | don't.. |
| 04:29.18 | bathat | that's what i ended up doing |
| 04:29.29 | beardy | bathat: not you |
| 04:29.35 | bathat | ok ;) |
| 04:29.36 | beardy | aalex: don't |
| 04:29.37 | aalex | KnowledgEngi, you know pure data ? tell this person about it |
| 04:29.39 | Guerin | aalex: don't mean a damn thing. |
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| 04:29.55 | beardy | There should be an .au or .nz op.. |
| 04:29.55 | grim | bathat: i have a broken symlink for /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa which is probably the problem here.. |
| 04:29.56 | aalex | Guerin, ?? |
| 04:29.59 | Guerin | aalex: i'd personally use morphix, but that's just me. |
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| 04:30.11 | Guerin | aalex: debian doesn't have a livecd. We know nothing about them. |
| 04:30.26 | Guerin | beardy: i nominate bob2! |
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| 04:30.57 | beardy | Guerin: I nominate you then. He is very long gone.. |
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| 04:31.29 | Guerin | I am far too prone to abuse of power to be an op. |
| 04:31.34 | Guerin | particularly in #debian. |
| 04:31.52 | grim | bathat: HAHA! mv /usr/lib/libGL.so /usr/lib/libGL.so.foo && dpkg -P nvidia-glx && mv /usr/lib/libGL.so.foo /usr/lib/libGL.so; worked great ;) |
| 04:31.53 | beardy | Sometimes that's better than no op at all. |
| 04:32.10 | bathat | ah, glad you fixed it |
| 04:32.25 | grim | it complained about /usr/lib/nvidia not being empty, but atleast apt is clean now ;) |
| 04:32.31 | grim | bathat: thanks for the help :) |
| 04:32.33 | bathat | so my suggestions worked |
| 04:32.36 | bathat | i'm surprised ;) |
| 04:33.03 | grim | heh, don't know why i didn't think of it earlier.. |
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| 04:34.43 | pickcoder | OT: anyone here written an IRC bot from scratch? |
| 04:35.33 | george | pickcoder: if no one did, there would be none! |
| 04:35.34 | pickcoder | scratch = no Perl modules etc |
| 04:35.42 | beardy | No, they were all created with parts mysteriously dropped from the sky. |
| 04:35.50 | pickcoder | I'm serious |
| 04:35.53 | george | so what, we feed the bits of the bot by switches? |
| 04:36.07 | beardy | Then ask a real question. |
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| 04:36.11 | pickcoder | I've written a few and want to discuss some design ideas |
| 04:36.33 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: there's no point in writing one from scratch anymore; poco-irc is good enough for almost any design. |
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| 04:36.44 | pickcoder | this is specifically for a GForge plugin |
| 04:36.53 | pickcoder | not an egg-drop |
| 04:36.56 | pickcoder | or anything similar |
| 04:37.00 | george | define "this" |
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| 04:37.10 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: then use Bot::Basic or simlar. |
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| 04:37.32 | pickcoder | the issue I'm facing is two-fold. |
| 04:37.35 | grim | ok, i've come to the conclusion that beryl does not like my quadro fx 1000... |
| 04:37.51 | grim | that or beryl is horribly broken on it ;) |
| 04:37.55 | pickcoder | I can't run a single threaded daemon to log chat and also provide live/queued feed for ajax |
| 04:38.03 | pickcoder | it'll probably fly apart |
| 04:38.10 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: sure you can. |
| 04:38.17 | pickcoder | at the same time, I don't want 5000 bots running around |
| 04:38.27 | pickcoder | one for each project that's hosted and has chat enabled |
| 04:38.44 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: it's trivial for a single threaded irc bot to handle all of the input; if needed, you can fork multiple instances of the bot |
| 04:39.19 | pickcoder | I'm afraid of the file I/O strain |
| 04:39.20 | aebonyne | I'm trying to install Sid using debootstrap. I installed the base system, but I when I chroot, the /dev has no disk devices, so I cannot mount my other partitions. |
| 04:39.30 | grim | wow, talk about lame, i add a sleep 1 to my xinitrc, and yeah it works.. |
| 04:39.35 | aebonyne | How do I get it to populate /dev? |
| 04:39.38 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: more threads won't help you with that at all. |
| 04:39.56 | pickcoder | I'm thinking about queueing the I/O separately |
| 04:40.08 | dondelelcaro | aebonyne: if you're using udev, it should do it for you; otherwise, you should be using MAKEDEV; to create them. |
| 04:40.13 | pickcoder | chat is relayed anyway |
| 04:40.20 | bintut | i don't understand the class directive in dhcpd.conf especially the match part.. :( |
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| 04:40.33 | aebonyne | dondelelcaro, uh, whatever Knoppix 5.1 uses. |
| 04:41.35 | pickcoder | george: to answer your question, I'm writing an IRC plugin for GForge project pages to provide live chat |
| 04:42.11 | pickcoder | I have CGI:IRC setup right now and it accomplishes the HTML chat bit |
| 04:42.12 | george | in some asm? in c? |
| 04:42.22 | pickcoder | PHP |
| 04:42.41 | pickcoder | the core doesn't have to be, but the hook is PHP |
| 04:42.50 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: doing a HTTP to IRC gateway which is uncontrolled is a really bad ideal... |
| 04:43.13 | george | it's not ideal too :) |
| 04:43.14 | pickcoder | uncontrolled? |
| 04:43.25 | beardy | Using a client isn't that hard, is it? |
| 04:43.49 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: if you allow anyone to use it, it'll just end up being abused, and your IPs will be banned and/or klined from many network.s |
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| 04:43.58 | pickcoder | beardy: I'm trying to come up with a framework that will allow me to cache the chat for X amount of time and provide it live at anytime the page is viewed |
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| 04:44.19 | pickcoder | and participate at the same time |
| 04:44.25 | beardy | pickcoder: Wouldn't simple logs will be enough? |
| 04:44.30 | aebonyne | dondelelcaro, oh, okay, I figured out MAKEDEV, thank you |
| 04:44.34 | alchem | after updating sid today, i get segfaults in many apps (stellarium, frozen-bubble, xmoto, glxinfo many others). Does anyone know how i should proceed to find out what's wrong? |
| 04:45.01 | pickcoder | beardy: the problem with that some IRC events are not tied to a specific channel |
| 04:45.14 | pickcoder | I've gone that route already with AJAX and a chat logger in Perl |
| 04:45.22 | pickcoder | actions, quit messages, etc |
| 04:45.25 | dondelelcaro | alchem: most likely you've got a library which has broken abi compatibility; figure out what they all are linked against, and check the bugs for that library. |
| 04:45.30 | dondelelcaro | alchem: odds are it's already been filed. |
| 04:45.31 | beardy | pickcoder: And which one of those do you need to display in the logs? |
| 04:45.35 | pickcoder | actions mostly |
| 04:45.40 | pickcoder | quit messages can be broadcast |
| 04:46.12 | pickcoder | I'm just unsure how stable Net::IRC is with a few thousand channels in full swing |
| 04:46.13 | beardy | IIRC actions are logged fine in for example irssi. |
| 04:46.29 | pickcoder | beardy: the client knows which window belongs to a channel name |
| 04:46.30 | beardy | Are you going to log an entire network? |
| 04:46.39 | pickcoder | the protocol does not provide it instream |
| 04:46.41 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: you don't want to use Net::IRC, it's crap. Use PoCo::IRC. Furthermore, you can't join that many channels. |
| 04:47.02 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:47.29 | alchem | thnx dondelelcaro |
| 04:47.30 | dondelelcaro | writing new code that uses Net::IRC is a bad idea. |
| 04:48.40 | pickcoder | maybe I need to go the services route |
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| 04:48.58 | pickcoder | though I don't want to force that requirement on the install |
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| 04:49.28 | dondelelcaro | it's an extra module; it's not like having a recommends or suggests on libpoe-component-irc-perl is that big of a deal. |
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| 04:51.09 | pickcoder | well if it's a services daemon I'm writing it in C |
| 04:51.16 | pickcoder | forget perl |
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| 04:51.54 | pickcoder | the requirement will be to install a local irc daemon |
| 04:51.54 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; if you run it as an IRC server, that's a whole different deal... but good luck getting any major network to use it |
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| 04:54.35 | rodolfo | hello when i try to compile mu kernel and i got this output at the end http://rafb.net/paste/results/sTWfuL56.html |
| 04:55.41 | dondelelcaro | rodolfo: try running make-kpkg clean; and rebuilding the kernel. |
| 04:55.58 | dondelelcaro | rodolfo: apparently it hasn't built and linked whatever defined bmf_deferred_hooks. |
| 04:56.41 | dondelelcaro | of course, considering that 2.6.18.3 just released yesterday, it could also be a bug. |
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| 04:57.25 | Schalken | other than gentoo, is debian the distro with the most avaliable packages? |
| 04:57.35 | peterS | Schalken: depends on how you define 'available' |
| 04:57.47 | peterS | Schalken: if you mean most packages that are well-supported and high-quality, debian blows gentoo away |
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| 04:58.19 | peterS | if you mean "someone, somewhere, has provided a package, of unknown quality, that works on that particular distribution", I'd guess fedora is probably in the lead |
| 04:58.24 | Schalken | peterS: well, installable from the official repos. |
| 04:58.24 | rodolfo | dondek, ok so i;ve just type make-kpkg and how to rebuild u mean compile again? |
| 04:58.44 | dondelelcaro | rodolfo: yeah, just compile it again like you did the first time. |
| 04:59.06 | dondelelcaro | rodolfo: if you get the same error, see what defines bmf_deferred_hooks, and make sure that whatever options enable it are enabled. |
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| 05:08.01 | bintut | dondelelcaro: when am i going to use the class declaration? |
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| 05:09.54 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you don't need it |
| 05:10.05 | dondelelcaro | bintut: it's only useful if you're giving out dynamic ips. |
| 05:10.19 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i will be giving dynamic ips also.. |
| 05:10.57 | dondelelcaro | bintut: then if you're giving out dynamic ips to specific hosts, you use the classes, otherwise you just have pools that allow unknown clients. |
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| 05:11.38 | rodolfo | dondelelcaro, hey mate i've got the same error eha |
| 05:11.48 | rodolfo | dondelelcaro, what can i do :s |
| 05:11.58 | Ungy | dondelelcaro whats up with the public keys and yes I messaged dpkg |
| 05:12.15 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: you need to update the archive-key. |
| 05:14.03 | Ungy | I ran the command it told me 1 processed 1 unchanged |
| 05:14.39 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: that's only for the 2006 key; they recently added the etch key. |
| 05:14.56 | Ungy | ahh that is the one I need |
| 05:15.00 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: and moreover, it's just a warning. |
| 05:15.25 | Ungy | true |
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| 05:16.23 | akrus | hm |
| 05:16.28 | akrus | hello everyone :) |
| 05:16.41 | akrus | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: <-- when apt-get update x_X |
| 05:16.42 | craigevil | New etch key! do: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
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| 05:17.12 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: etch key is <reply> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:17.12 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 05:17.19 | Ungy | Thanks |
| 05:17.41 | akrus | thanks :D |
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| 05:18.16 | rodolfo | dondelelcaro, hey i searched on google and i found that i need to deseable this netfilter_bridge.h but i don't know to to do it do u know how to do that |
| 05:18.23 | aebonyne | Uh, I run apt-get update and it gave me this warning: W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 05:18.24 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key /msg dpkg etch key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:18.25 | ryan` | Anyone recognize this message id format? <p06230925c187f9dd31b5@[192.168.1.109]> |
| 05:18.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:18.33 | aebonyne | And told me to fix it by running apt-get update... |
| 05:18.43 | dondelelcaro | aebonyne: /topic |
| 05:18.44 | aebonyne | ... uh, yeah, topic |
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| 05:19.09 | dondelelcaro | and moreover, it's just a warning. |
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| 05:20.02 | dondelelcaro | rodolfo: you need to edit your .config and disable the netfilter bridge module then; it should be a networking configuration option under the netfilter set, but I don't remember the exact define. |
| 05:21.00 | rodolfo | dondelelcaro, ok thank i/ |
| 05:21.15 | rodolfo | dondelelcaro, i'm going to find out |
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| 05:22.29 | itchi | Heh, about the Etch installer, i have discovered that if i use an certain internet source (ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/) during the install, tasksel stop after download an certain amount of data. I had need to restart tasksel several times. With another source i not got that trouble. Have got it 2 times in an virtual machine. Where need i to report that trouble? I'm not sure if it is the mirror that cause it. |
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| 05:23.22 | bushidom | http://marihuana.have-a-rose.com/?s=12082&n=bushido |
| 05:24.25 | itchi | bushidom: Wooaaa, what have this to do with Debian? |
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| 05:24.48 | itchi | hehe |
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| 05:26.02 | xstasi | hi |
| 05:26.13 | xstasi | how do i set a certain package to be left alone and not upgraded? |
| 05:26.18 | bintut | dondelelcaro: still there? |
| 05:26.24 | dondelelcaro | xstasi: put it on hold. |
| 05:26.26 | dondelelcaro | bintut: yes... |
| 05:26.34 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i want to have something like in http://paste.debian.net/17003 |
| 05:26.34 | xstasi | dondelelcaro, and how does one do that? |
| 05:27.11 | itchi | xstasi: Look with dpkg on the keyword 'hold' |
| 05:27.12 | craigevil | xstasi: hold" is echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections ; revert with: echo package install|dpkg --set-selections |
| 05:27.17 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i represented a pseudo config so that you will get an idea of what i want to setup.. |
| 05:28.22 | xstasi | great |
| 05:28.56 | xstasi | supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 4.0 |
| 05:28.58 | xstasi | what the... |
| 05:29.45 | itchi | Or how can i check the integrity of an mirror? To see if there are no troubles with it? |
| 05:29.48 | bintut | dondelelcaro: every department will be given 254 hosts (actually 256 but i exclude 0 and 255 for simplicity) and every department represents the 3rd octet's number.. lastly, every department has 2 types of workstations: fat (with own OS) and thin (diskless) workstations |
| 05:30.15 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you can't do so remotely; |
| 05:30.37 | dondelelcaro | itchi: howeever, the md5sums on the package have to match the Release file which is signed with a GPG KEY |
| 05:30.55 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But it's during the install that it happend |
| 05:31.09 | dondelelcaro | itchi: during what part of the install? |
| 05:31.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, i have never got an trouble with that mirror, it's an local unif here. On other computers i use that same mirror. |
| 05:31.55 | itchi | dondelelcaro: When he is near the end and when we need to select the task in tasksel |
| 05:31.57 | bintut | dondelelcaro: you will also notice that for every department, the domain name changes.. so if a workstation comes from that department, a workstation will get an fqdn of ws-1.dept1.domain.com or similar that one to easily identify the host |
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| 05:33.00 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i am just confused how to declare properly and use the parameters properly for this kind of setup.. :( |
| 05:33.17 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Tasksel then begin to download the stuff and then stop randomly. He then try to begin to install the stuff he have already. |
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| 05:34.23 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But like i had see it, i have look a bit more and did some other 'new' install in an virtual machine. Got that 2 times with the same mirror and 2 times with another mirror not. Did the test 4 times |
| 05:34.44 | dondelelcaro | sorry, I have to take off... but most likely it's a local problem (or network..) however, there were some problems with the recent etch nightlies. |
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| 05:34.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I test again if need |
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| 05:39.13 | bintut | any isc dhcpd3 users/guru here? any suggestion on what's the proper way to configure the pseudo config i have in http://paste.debian.net/17003 ? |
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| 05:42.44 | techno_freak | how do i check the dependencies of a .deb package, using apt-get or dpkg if possible ? |
| 05:43.08 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I setup an vm here an tryout a bit more |
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| 05:45.13 | centrx | techman2 apt-cache show <package name> |
| 05:45.14 | bintut | in dhcpd.conf, is it possible to add an identifier to a group {} ? |
| 05:45.14 | centrx | er |
| 05:45.21 | centrx | techno_freak apt-cache show <package name> |
| 05:45.38 | centrx | techno_freak that doesn't give you a whole tree of dependencies, but it shows the dependencies for that package... |
| 05:45.48 | techno_freak | centrx: thanx, ok :) |
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| 05:45.54 | bintut | somewhat like the following: group GROUP_A { declarations... } |
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| 05:51.22 | black_13 | how do i update a sarge system to testing? |
| 05:51.33 | black_13 | is apt-get upgrade correcte? |
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| 05:53.00 | Guerin | peterS: why does cplay not do utf-8? |
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| 05:53.28 | peterS | Guerin: because I'm lazy and haven't added that yet even though I knew 6 months ago that python was ready for it |
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| 05:53.53 | Guerin | that's as fair a reason as any |
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| 05:54.43 | centrx | black_13 you need to change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the testing repositories instead of the stable repositories |
| 05:54.55 | peterS | Guerin: I even tested it like a year ago and found out that python 2.3 supports utf-8 fine if you compile the curses module just so. python 2.4 is so compiled. and now since we're all using python 2.4, I have no excuse. |
| 05:55.02 | Guerin | black_13: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 05:55.10 | Schalken | black_13: add etch testing to your apt sources and let your package manager upgrade, possibly with apt-get upgrade, so yes ;) |
| 05:55.28 | black_13 | cool |
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| 05:56.42 | black_13 | i am using a stock kernel on my laptp 2.6.8 should i upgrade? |
| 05:56.53 | Guerin | black_13: yes. |
| 05:57.06 | |ryan| | lyct5`Ip>c |
| 05:57.31 | |ryan| | fuck |
| 05:57.44 | black_13 | exactly |
| 05:57.47 | Guerin | hello |ryan|'s cat |
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| 05:58.35 | black_13 | Guerin when i take a listing of kernels on my sarge system i dont see other kernels |
| 05:58.36 | h2 | has anyone figured out how to restore mozilla-mplayer plugin functionality with iceweasel? Everything else is looking good |
| 05:59.00 | Guerin | black_13: you'll need to install a new one during the upgrade, most likely. |
| 05:59.28 | black_13 | well the upgrad is on another system |
| 05:59.45 | Guerin | black_13: oh, if you're not upgrading your laptop, don't fuck with the kenrle. |
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| 06:00.13 | black_13 | so i plan to stay with sarge dont change the kernel? |
| 06:00.27 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:00.48 | black_13 | yeah i put a lot of worrk into get the lapt top stable |
| 06:01.12 | black_13 | im going toy around with one of trash machines i have with testing |
| 06:01.17 | peterS | there is no _need_ to change the kernel anyway. you can run etch with your 2.6.8 kernel. but 2.6.17 (and etch will soon has 2.6.18) may have improvements that you would care about, such as better support for device hotplugging and udev and stuff |
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| 06:02.11 | black_13 | i am interested in performance boosting |
| 06:02.44 | black_13 | i have noticed slugish performace |
| 06:02.52 | Guerin | black_13: remove gnome |
| 06:02.57 | pstickne | in what? |
| 06:03.02 | black_13 | im using kde |
| 06:03.07 | Guerin | remove kde |
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| 06:03.13 | pstickne | KDE runs fine on a 1.6Ghz/1.5GB lappy. |
| 06:03.15 | Guerin | problem solved |
| 06:03.27 | Guerin | i ran kde on a p2-233 for some time |
| 06:03.36 | Guerin | with 256 ram |
| 06:03.37 | pstickne | However, you might be killing yourself if you have something stupid not setup, such as DMA access on HD's. |
| 06:03.45 | pstickne | Guerin, how did it run? |
| 06:03.55 | Guerin | pstickne: fine, with chrome mostly off |
| 06:03.57 | black_13 | i have 1gig of memory an 1.6 p4 |
| 06:04.06 | |ryan| | My passwords get changed whenever they get spammed into an IRC channel. :( |
| 06:04.11 | Guerin | black_13: there's no excuse for *anything* to run slow on that |
| 06:04.23 | pstickne | black_13, what runs slow/sluggish? you need to find out the exact problem(s) |
| 06:04.26 | Guerin | ryan`: oh, that was your password. I thought it was your cat. |
| 06:04.46 | |ryan| | It was disguised. |
| 06:04.53 | peterS | Guerin: well, note that the 1.6 GHz Pentium 4 might have been one of those early generation ones that ran a lot slower than the clockspeed would indicate, due to issues with memory timing |
| 06:04.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:04.55 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:05.06 | peterS | Guerin: so, say like a Pentium III at 1.2 GHz (: |
| 06:05.10 | |ryan| | it's only my password for personal use, so I only have a couple places to change it. |
| 06:05.13 | black_13 | Guerin im running vmware |
| 06:05.14 | Guerin | peterS: even so ... it'd still be faster than a gig |
| 06:05.18 | peterS | right |
| 06:05.23 | Guerin | black_13: oh, all bets are off, then. STUPID. |
| 06:05.31 | black_13 | yea yeah yeah |
| 06:05.43 | Guerin | black_13: running speed-sensitive stuff in vmware is lkike underwater karate |
| 06:05.52 | black_13 | im runngin win32 host |
| 06:05.53 | pstickne | I found vmware bearable with the support drivers installed in the vm os. |
| 06:05.53 | peterS | vmware is so 2001. the cool kids are all using xen now. |
| 06:06.18 | peterS | well, I guess the cool kids that still need to run something as uncool as windows xp might still be on vmware |
| 06:06.38 | black_13 | i am porting some software from xp to linux |
| 06:06.40 | Guerin | peterS: people do seem to manufacture reasons to use it ... |
| 06:06.50 | Guerin | peterS: see, like that. |
| 06:06.54 | peterS | right |
| 06:07.12 | pstickne | like games :) |
| 06:07.25 | |ryan| | *sigh* |
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| 06:07.27 | peterS | yeah, so, if I had to run some flavor of Windows, I guess I'd do it on qemu |
| 06:07.33 | pstickne | games in windows > games on non-windows PCs :) |
| 06:07.51 | Guerin | pstickne: games with actual real people > computerised games |
| 06:08.00 | pstickne | ... :-/ |
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| 06:08.10 | black_13 | i have used qemu and its performanc was slower than vmware |
| 06:08.15 | Guerin | black_13: no shit. |
| 06:08.30 | black_13 | so if i want win32 no xen? |
| 06:08.36 | pstickne | qemu emulates x86? |
| 06:08.38 | peterS | xen only supports Linux, I believe |
| 06:08.48 | peterS | qemu emulates quite a few CPUs, including x86 |
| 06:08.48 | Guerin | xen won't run windows until it can run an unmodified guest os |
| 06:08.56 | Guerin | which is still theoretical |
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| 06:09.12 | cafuego | Guerin: xen can run windows, just really slow. |
| 06:09.21 | Guerin | cafuego: oh, unmodified? |
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| 06:09.26 | peterS | black_13: anyway, qemu doesn't require some black box kernel module that does who knows what to your system and occasionally causes really mysterious lockups. to me that's worth a lot. |
| 06:09.26 | cafuego | Guerin: Yup |
| 06:09.36 | Guerin | last i heard it needed to be rebuilt, which isnt' legally possble. |
| 06:09.43 | peterS | that's worth quite a bit of performance, in fact |
| 06:09.57 | peterS | also, qemu is free as in beer |
| 06:10.01 | cafuego | Guerin: saw a winxp xen migrated across laptops a few months ago :-) |
| 06:10.04 | Guerin | cafuego: long time no see! |
| 06:10.10 | black_13 | well so far vmware works stably slow but stably |
| 06:10.41 | cafuego | Guerin: As I understand it, if you want to run it fast, it needs to have support for vt+/-... which would require a rebuild. |
| 06:10.47 | pstickne | 'legally possible'? |
| 06:11.00 | pstickne | ohh, nvm |
| 06:11.01 | black_13 | but diddling with the kernel on sarge is out? |
| 06:11.10 | cafuego | Guerin: yah, been busy eh |
| 06:11.12 | Guerin | pstickne: rebuilding it would require a) the source and b) a license to build windows |
| 06:11.24 | Guerin | cafuego: are you a canonical dev yet? |
| 06:11.29 | pstickne | Guerin, yeah, I missed the reference we were talking about windows :-/ |
| 06:11.48 | cafuego | Guerin: why would i want to be a canonical dev? |
| 06:11.55 | cafuego | (no, btw ;-) |
| 06:12.10 | Guerin | cafuego: your own jetsetting career might not be glam enough? |
| 06:12.13 | black_13 | i love these war toys ... |
| 06:12.45 | cafuego | Guerin: haha :-) Maybe not, but I don't think glam is what I'm after. |
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| 06:14.07 | pstickne | black_13, ? |
| 06:14.08 | cafuego | Guerin: Besides, my career has gotten me onto a private yet thusfar anyway, so I'm at the pinnacle! |
| 06:14.39 | black_13 | pstickne i should upgrade the kenel manually on my sarge system |
| 06:14.39 | lunitik | jet* ;) |
| 06:14.43 | Guerin | not your own private jet, though ... and no supermodels. |
| 06:14.52 | cafuego | Guerin: No, just brazilians |
| 06:15.31 | black_13 | are brazilian women really that beatiful |
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| 06:15.31 | cafuego | I need a bicycle with flappy wings |
| 06:15.31 | peterS | black_13: depends on the brazillian woman |
| 06:15.31 | Guerin | someone once told me brazilians are the sexiest people alive |
| 06:16.15 | cafuego | these brazilians weren't women. |
| 06:16.23 | cafuego | Where did you get that idea from? |
| 06:16.27 | Guerin | I've only met two; one was a scrawny pasty white dude, the other one looked like a mean biker |
| 06:16.57 | black_13 | oh well ill never get to visit there |
| 06:17.34 | peterS | I guess I've met about 4, of which one was female, and she was pretty hot |
| 06:18.21 | cafuego | peterS: which is unsprprising as a large part of the country is rather tropic ;-) |
| 06:18.21 | peterS | but then again, lots of people her age (perhaps 22) are pretty hot, so. |
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| 06:18.28 | peterS | cafuego: right |
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| 06:21.00 | g333k | are you experiencing problems connecting to msn? |
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| 06:21.53 | cahoot | g333k: blissfully no |
| 06:22.18 | g333k | why I do? I can connect from windoze.... but not from debian :( |
| 06:22.20 | cafuego | my lack of desire to connect to is is functioning perfectly |
| 06:22.23 | g333k | amsn problem? |
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| 06:22.41 | cahoot | g333k: sorry never used the service |
| 06:22.43 | Guerin | g333k: complain to microsoft |
| 06:23.00 | g333k | lol |
| 06:23.09 | Guerin | no, seriously |
| 06:23.17 | Guerin | it's about as much use as asking us about it |
| 06:23.39 | g333k | Guerin, I use linux 24 7 |
| 06:24.16 | Guerin | g333k: good to know. |
| 06:25.15 | g333k | Guerin, 99/100 of my friends, co-workers, family use msn to comunicate..... so I use it... understandable right? |
| 06:25.31 | Guerin | g333k: sure. Just nothing to do with us. |
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| 06:25.44 | g333k | Guerin, Teach my mother to use linux is a little bit... painful |
| 06:25.46 | Guerin | g333k: I use msn too, I just don't bother #debian when it's not working. |
| 06:25.59 | Gokee2_knoppix | Hello all, I am using knoppix to chroot into my debian install on my laptop after install windows vista. I am trying to make grub work again however after mounting hda2 and making it read write, chrooting into hda2 and running "/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda" it says /dev/null permision denied a bunch of times and then /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. Anyone know what I am doing wrong? Thanks |
| 06:26.37 | Guerin | Gokee2_knoppix: drop out of the chroot, unmount, and remount the device manually, with -t and -o |
| 06:26.37 | g333k | Guerin, I'm not complaining here... I asked if all of you are having the same problem in order to fix my system if no |
| 06:26.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: He was asking a perfectly legitimate question... no need to be like that. |
| 06:26.53 | g333k | Guerin, Do you get my point now? |
| 06:26.55 | Guerin | Gokee2_knoppix: knoppix's default mount includes -- nodev, which breaks things like this |
| 06:27.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | g333k: Which client? |
| 06:27.16 | Guerin | g333k: i got it the first time, but it's still irrelevant to #debian. |
| 06:27.19 | g333k | Dark_Apostrophe, amsn and gaim |
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| 06:27.27 | Gokee2_knoppix | Guerin, Ah ok. Thanks |
| 06:27.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm.. |
| 06:27.30 | Guerin | g333k: use your irc client to connect to im.bitlbee.org |
| 06:27.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | g333k: Got a firewall? |
| 06:27.48 | g333k | g333k, no.... |
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| 06:28.35 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: why #debian? Why not #hardware or #freenode or #politics? |
| 06:28.48 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: it's every bit as on-topic there. |
| 06:28.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Perhaps because he's using Debian? |
| 06:28.58 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: irrelevant. |
| 06:29.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meh. |
| 06:29.25 | centrx | #politics and #freenode would clearly be less relevant |
| 06:29.29 | g333k | Guerin, I've already asked amsn channel....... I ask here, because we use debian...all of us.... so it will be stupid to ask in the #fedora channel right? |
| 06:29.35 | Guerin | centrx: not at all |
| 06:29.46 | Gokee2_knoppix | Guerin, Awsome it worked! Did knoppix change that a while ago? I remember a year or two ago when I last had to deal with grub the chroot worked nicly |
| 06:29.46 | Guerin | g333k: not at all, either. |
| 06:29.56 | g333k | Guerin, I think you need some sleep and a valium |
| 06:30.00 | Guerin | arguably MORE msn useds in #fedora than here |
| 06:30.05 | centrx | those channels are much less related to computing, and you are much less likely to get an answer from someone who knows, |
| 06:30.10 | Gokee2_knoppix | I guess I might have not used knoppixs mounter then though.... |
| 06:30.16 | Guerin | g333k: think what you like, I think you need a proper problem-solving tecnhique. |
| 06:30.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Arguably. :) |
| 06:30.34 | Guerin | Gokee2_knoppix: knoppix has always been that way afair. |
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| 06:30.58 | Gokee2_knoppix | Hmm I must have just not used knoppixes mounter then |
| 06:31.03 | Isle | oh yeah |
| 06:31.08 | Isle | debian |
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| 06:31.26 | Gokee2_knoppix | I am not really sure why I did this time... Anyway I need to reboot. Bye all |
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| 06:33.08 | Gokee2 | Yay Grub works again! |
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| 06:33.37 | g333k | Gokee2, nice! |
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| 06:34.32 | or10n | Hi I have a problem I am attempting to create a 1Gig ram drive but when do i mke2fs -m 0 /dev/ram0 I get the error: mke2fs: File too large while trying to determine filesystem size.. I thought that the max file size on ext2 was 2G so why am i getting these errors? |
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| 06:35.26 | IdahoEv | Is in inappropriate to ask for hardware recommendations here? |
| 06:35.28 | dob1 | i get this error after apt-get update "There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1" why this ? i did the gpg export key time ago and this server was ok until today |
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| 06:36.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | IdahoEv: I wouldn't say so... |
| 06:36.14 | enouf | !tell dob1 about apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 06:37.16 | dob1 | enouf: my question is different, why now i have this problem with apt-get update ? i just did that command time ago |
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| 06:37.40 | enouf | dob1: try sudo updatedb |
| 06:38.04 | g333k | anyway...I have another question, the moving from mozilla apps to iceweasel and icedove, was supposed to be transparent? I moved to icedove... but many extensions doesnt work now... |
| 06:38.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | g333k: Maybe different app versions? |
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| 06:39.59 | g333k | Dark_Apostrophe, I dont think so... I had to use the web page pkg to enable the tray icon bar for thunderbird.... when I used the repo pkg it doesnt worked |
| 06:40.04 | zu22 | my system clock (date) is showing a time that is 5 hours behind. how do i set it to the correct time? |
| 06:40.05 | g333k | didnt* |
| 06:40.43 | craigevil | icedove-kbiff will let you use a tray icon |
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| 06:42.02 | craigevil | icedove-traybiff - traybiff - new mail alert for Mozilla Thunderbird< shows a tray icon |
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| 06:42.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | g333k: I don't use iceweasel etc.. yet, so I can't help you out here... |
| 06:42.10 | IdahoEv | I need to replace the deb server I use for file backup and subversion, I'd like HW recommends. What I care most about are (1) low power consumption/quiet (2) supports sleep mode including HD spin-down with wake on network access (3) room for at least 3 EIDE HD's and (4) low cost. It does NOT need to be powerful: the old P3 as been fine. |
| 06:42.44 | craigevil | the issue with Icewweasel was going from 1.5 to 2.0 so some extensions/themes may not work |
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| 06:43.27 | g333k | craigevil, reasonable in that case |
| 06:43.38 | craigevil | yeah that is to be expected |
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| 06:44.29 | g333k | craigevil, I think my thunderbird extensions are like lost... looking for their parents.... :( |
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| 06:45.00 | craigevil | the only extension ive ever used in thunderbird was traybiff |
| 06:46.58 | g333k | craigevil, there are many useful.... |
| 06:47.14 | g333k | craigevil, There are more for firefox... |
| 06:47.32 | craigevil | never really had a use to download email, i just use gmail |
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| 06:47.49 | craigevil | firefox/iw i have 18 extensions |
| 06:48.17 | enouf | Idaho : MSI or Asus mobo (nForce4 or Via chipset) , AMD64 (dare I say even Sempron for lowcost) , Enermax PSU (no skimping there), Mid Tower Case (Aluminum/Steel), HDDs (Sarge use IDE, Seagate, Hitachi, others) , basically .. that's my fsat eval |
| 06:48.30 | enouf | fast* |
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| 06:49.46 | g333k | brb |
| 06:50.23 | IdahoEv | enouf: ty i will consider my research on that basis. |
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| 06:52.07 | enouf | welcome |
| 06:52.41 | stranger_stone | is the /list enable from freenode ? |
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| 06:53.58 | zu22 | boingolov: yes |
| 06:54.04 | zu22 | boingolov: win98/linux dual boot |
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| 06:55.01 | dn4 | Is there a way to find out the address of someone by just having the IP? |
| 06:55.43 | centrx | what kind of addres |
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| 06:56.15 | dn4 | An address to track the individual computer's location down |
| 06:56.25 | peterS | dn4: 'whois' |
| 06:56.28 | allans | just looking for info on puting debian or slackware on my amd64 turion laptop.i tried knoppix but i had a problem with the video card.it has an x700 radeon on it (mobility).everything else is generic.have any suggestions? |
| 06:56.48 | peterS | dn4: 'whois a.b.c.d' will tell you the Internet service provider |
| 06:57.07 | dn4 | peterS how do I take that a step further and get the physical address? |
| 06:57.19 | peterS | dn4: *sigh*. I will stop talking until you actually try what I told you |
| 06:57.43 | dn4 | ip68-101-115-170.oc.oc.cox.net |
| 06:57.46 | dn4 | that is an example |
| 06:57.51 | centrx | that's a DNS address |
| 06:57.54 | peterS | that isn't an IP address, that is a domain name |
| 06:57.54 | dn4 | internet service provider = cox |
| 06:58.05 | peterS | you asked about an IP address |
| 06:58.10 | peterS | /ignore dn4 |
| 06:58.22 | peterS | if you won't do what I suggest, I have nothing further to say |
| 06:59.23 | dn4 | a whois gives me a bunch of info with the DNS in there and /dns gives me 68.101.115.170 |
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| 07:00.01 | centrx | dn4 the whois gives you information about the ISP and it's physical location |
| 07:00.08 | peterS | centrx: you're wasting your time |
| 07:01.34 | peterS | centrx: when I told him to do "whois a.b.c.d", he instead did "whois hostname.example.com". if he can't figure out what I mean when I give a really simple suggestion, I doubt you'll get any further |
| 07:01.35 | dn4 | ahhh that .oc.oc |
| 07:02.33 | dn4 | ok so for me I get dn4 is i=w3rdn4@cpe-24-26-236-20.satx.res.rr.com * Dn4 |
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| 07:02.42 | centrx | hehe |
| 07:02.50 | dn4 | The satx.res.rr.com = thelocation? |
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| 07:04.15 | centrx | dn4 start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet |
| 07:04.30 | peterS | good call |
| 07:05.02 | centrx | I wrote the first paragraph, so it must be good |
| 07:06.53 | dn4 | how do I create stuff like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Internet_map_1024.jpg <<-- I want to have a program that does this for everything |
| 07:07.23 | peterS | dn4: what makes you think this is an appropriate question for #debian? |
| 07:07.29 | peterS | hint: it has nothing to do with Debian |
| 07:08.05 | dn4 | that picture looks sooooo cool |
| 07:08.28 | centrx | ... |
| 07:08.31 | nkuttler_ | dn4: ask the one who did it |
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| 07:11.14 | dn4 | hmmm |
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| 07:11.43 | peterS | dn4: do you have anything debian-related to discuss, or did you just come in here because it's a big channel with lots of people in it that might be able to answer your non-debian questions? |
| 07:12.41 | dn4 | peterS answer c) I came in here b/c i'm apart of the debian community. Been using debian for years now. |
| 07:12.54 | peterS | dn4: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 07:13.30 | centrx | ... |
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| 07:14.00 | Kim^J | dn4: If you have been using Debian. How come you need a wiki for internet and know nothing about webpages? |
| 07:14.26 | centrx | you don't have to hound him just because he's asking simplistic questions |
| 07:14.57 | peterS | centrx: I'm not, I'm asking whether he has any Debian questions, or just off-topic stuff |
| 07:14.59 | dn4 | yeah, will etch ever have a prebuilt kernel that supports apt-get install rosegarden4 with out having to recompile the kernel or alter rosegarden4 options? |
| 07:15.23 | Kim^J | No just wondering. People that have been using Debian for years tend to be quite skilled. |
| 07:15.36 | peterS | rosegarden the music notation editor? that requires kernel patches? |
| 07:15.55 | centrx | maybe for input? |
| 07:16.06 | Quinn_Storm | rosegarden is more than that, isn't it a software synthesizer too? |
| 07:16.14 | tarzeau | !key |
| 07:16.19 | Kim^J | rosegarden4 - music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer |
| 07:16.21 | tarzeau | !publickey |
| 07:16.32 | tarzeau | where can i find the key ID: A70DAF536070D3A1 it's not on pgp.mit.edu |
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| 07:17.11 | dn4 | peterS: Yes a notation editor. Etch's prebuilt kernel makes it so the end user has to either a re compile the kernel or b change rosegarden4 settings. |
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| 07:17.23 | peterS | dn4: what settings? that sounds pretty odd |
| 07:17.34 | craigevil | tarzeau: New etch key! do: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 07:17.54 | tarzeau | craigevil: k thanks found it at: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc |
| 07:17.58 | tarzeau | dpkg key is http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc |
| 07:17.58 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 07:18.36 | Kim^J | dpkg: Hey |
| 07:18.36 | dpkg | hola |
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| 07:18.52 | tarzeau | dpkg forget key |
| 07:18.52 | dpkg | tarzeau: i forgot key |
| 07:19.01 | tarzeau | dpkg key is gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 07:19.01 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 07:19.36 | peterS | that sounds pretty dangerous |
| 07:19.50 | peterS | you assume root's pubring.gpg only contains ftp archive keys |
| 07:20.30 | dn4 | peterS It deals with the kernel system timer |
| 07:20.30 | dn4 | The kernel system timer was 1000Hz in Linux 2.6 kernels up to 2.6.12, but as of 2.6.13 it's now 250Hz in mainline kernels. This is not good enough for good MIDI timing. |
| 07:20.30 | zu22 | what is diff between 'apt-get upgrade' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade', i just did upgrade (410MB over dialup) and was gonna do dist-upgrade as well but it needs another 597MB! so i won't do it if i don't really need to. thoughts? |
| 07:20.30 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 07:20.30 | dpkg | it has been said that bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 07:20.30 | dn4 | peterS So etch requires the end user to recompile the kernel with a new kernel system timer for rosegarden4 which is a hastle |
| 07:20.43 | peterS | zu22: who told you to use apt-get dist-upgrade? we try to recommend aptitude dist-upgrade instead. |
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| 07:21.10 | peterS | zu22: the difference is that 'apt-get upgrade' does not replace packages with other packages when their names change, which sometimes happens especially with large jumps like a whole distribution upgrade |
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| 07:22.36 | dn4 | Who controls the prebuilt kernel for etch |
| 07:22.37 | peterS | dn4: weird - I don't get why a fast clock tick is important for audio latency. it would seem as though being a high-priority process would make much more of a difference |
| 07:22.42 | zu22 | peterS: ok, do u think it is a good idea to do a dist-upgrade? i am not looking forward to another solid week of all my bandwidth tied up from upgrade :) |
| 07:22.59 | peterS | zu22: this is why you wait until etch is released, then buy a CD from a CD vendor. much less bandwidth used |
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| 07:23.12 | peterS | zu22: I don't particularly recommend trying to track 'testing' if you don't have a lot of bandwidth |
| 07:23.22 | Quinn_Storm | what kind of tiny bandwidth do you have? are you a dialup user? |
| 07:23.41 | Quinn_Storm | its just amazing to me that someone has so little bandwidth they *can't* track testing |
| 07:23.47 | centrx | zu22 nothing wrong with dist-upgrade, as long as you make sure to upgrade the package manager first |
| 07:23.57 | dn4 | peterS well seeing as I hate recompiling a kernel I want etch prebuilts to come with new system kernel timer |
| 07:24.05 | peterS | zu22: I notice you're also in #netrek, is it really possible to play netrek with only a small amount of bandwidth? |
| 07:24.09 | dn4 | maybe have a debian distro customized for audio production purposes |
| 07:24.12 | dn4 | that wuld be nice!! |
| 07:24.20 | zu22 | peterS: ah good idea, i am on dialup but prefer testing over stable |
| 07:24.58 | zu22 | centrx: i think apt-get was upgraded by the 'apt-get upgrade' but not sure |
| 07:25.02 | peterS | dn4: the 250 Hz / 1000 Hz has nothing to do with the resolution of the system timer, that's just how fast the 'jiffies' variable rolls over, so it affects scheduling when you have multiple processes competing for CPU. if rosegarden is the only thing that needs very much CPU, I don't think it'd be much affected by the HZ variable. |
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| 07:25.36 | zu22 | peterS: yes netrek is one of the few games you can still play at a high level with high ping and even high latency (assuming u have enough experience) www.netrek.org :) |
| 07:26.04 | peterS | now, if rosegarden is competing with other CPU hogs, a faster value of HZ would make some difference, especially if you can't run rosegarden with a high scheduling priority |
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| 07:27.18 | peterS | stew: do you have any idea what dn4 is talking about? |
| 07:27.22 | zu22 | peterS: netrek was one of the first if not the first internet multiplayer graphical games so the developers took bandwidth considerations into account. if you haven't played netrek in years i recommend you give it a whirl again :) lots of new clients/improvements since you last probably played |
| 07:27.40 | peterS | zu22: indeed, I haven't played for about 10 years. I never was much good, though |
| 07:27.56 | dn4 | peterS at any rate just a thought to add into the etch kernel prebuilds |
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| 07:28.01 | dn4 | i'd be happy |
| 07:28.18 | peterS | dn4: what you probably want, then, is demudi |
| 07:28.44 | dn4 | peterS issues with demudi not having kernel sources, so I had to pre build a whole new kernel |
| 07:29.16 | peterS | their whole purpose is to serve _your_ needs, so if you think their kernel is not good enough, I'd definitely ask them about that |
| 07:29.41 | zu22 | peterS: yeah that is one of the drawbacks to player recruitment/retention. unlike most eye/ear candy games out there netrek actualy takes a substantial invest of time/energy to really learn the game and play on a high level tactically but especially strategically. lots of players giveup before they really "get it". but once you get it it's very addictive and can stand the test of time like chess :) developers also could do more by providing better config uti |
| 07:29.56 | zu22 | though the sound/graphics have gotten much better over time esp. in recent years |
| 07:30.17 | dn4 | peterS it got into the issue of pre built packages not being up to date for applications I wanted to run like Ingen |
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| 07:30.21 | peterS | zu22: yeah, I know, it looks like quite an involved game, I always thought it was ahead of its time. but it didn't interest me quite enough to stick with it |
| 07:30.36 | zu22 | peterS: nod |
| 07:30.44 | peterS | zu22: I don't remember if I ever tried the original netrek, or only paradise |
| 07:30.58 | zu22 | peterS: ah paradise that was fun diversion |
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| 07:31.54 | peterS | kids these days, probably most of them that play .ogg files don't realise that their container format owes its name to netrek (: |
| 07:32.15 | zu22 | peterS: haha yeah, "OGG THE BASE!" , i screamed that many a time :) |
| 07:32.21 | Quinn_Storm | what's a netrek? |
| 07:32.33 | zu22 | Quinn_Storm: www.netrek.org |
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| 07:32.38 | peterS | Quinn_Storm: a network multiplayer game from 1994 or so, quite ahead of its time IMO |
| 07:32.59 | peterS | Quinn_Storm: real-time spaceship fleet strategy loosely based on the star trek universe |
| 07:33.06 | reanjr | Is there a package anywhere for the win32 codecs (I just need audio, not video)? |
| 07:33.14 | Quinn_Storm | ah cool |
| 07:33.20 | centrx | reanjr not in the Debian repository |
| 07:33.23 | Guerin | reanjr: debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:33.27 | centrx | reanjr you can use christian marillat's repository |
| 07:33.31 | Quinn_Storm | so...all your base are ogg to us? |
| 07:33.33 | reanjr | thanks |
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| 07:34.08 | peterS | Quinn_Storm: 'ogg' is a strategy term, I'm sure zu22 can explain it better than I since I haven't played for so long |
| 07:34.25 | Quinn_Storm | interesting |
| 07:34.37 | Quinn_Storm | is it more nextgennish or more tos-ish? I'm more of a nextgen fan |
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| 07:35.06 | peterS | Quinn_Storm: it's really not star trek at all, just in elements like the names of the teams and the types of spaceships |
| 07:35.10 | Quinn_Storm | ah ok |
| 07:35.30 | peterS | but probably TNG |
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| 07:36.35 | zu22 | right, the 'base ogg' is a highly sophisticated offensive attack, in which the ships must have well coordinated timing to arrive/decloak and fire on the starbase in sync, also there are other variables to consider for an effective base ogg :) |
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| 07:36.58 | philips | Are there any tools for automatically running scripts based on location |
| 07:37.39 | centrx | cron |
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| 07:39.28 | peterS | philips: what do you mean "based on location" |
| 07:40.24 | philips | peterS: like when I am at school my ESSID and smtp need to change |
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| 07:40.51 | philips | peterS: I was just going to write a custom script, but I thought there might be something more elegant |
| 07:40.52 | peterS | philips: ahh, there are many scripts for this, actually |
| 07:41.02 | philips | peterS: heh, I figured |
| 07:41.12 | peterS | philips: apparently the same thing has been reinvented many times. "apt-cache search laptop net config" |
| 07:41.34 | philips | ah! |
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| 07:41.41 | philips | alright, I will dig around through that list |
| 07:41.42 | peterS | philips: so for example, 'whereami', 'switchconf', 'laptop-net', 'laptop-netconf', 'divine' |
| 07:41.42 | philips | thanks |
| 07:41.54 | peterS | philips: unfortunately I cannot tell you what's best, as I don't have a laptop (: |
| 07:42.18 | philips | peterS: good solution :-P |
| 07:43.01 | peterS | I'm with you, btw - if I got a laptop and came across this problem my first inclination would be to reinvent the wheel too |
| 07:43.23 | peterS | "so hard to dig through the existing choices and figure out how they work and whether one of them does what I want ... why not just write my own" |
| 07:44.24 | philips | peterS: I use very simple tools like iwconfig, mpd, and nbsmtp so writing it myself wouldn't be too bad :-D |
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| 07:44.56 | peterS | philips: right. and about a dozen other people have said the same thing, and that's how we got where we are today (: |
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| 07:47.18 | reanjr | ok, I installed the w32codecs package from debian-multimedia.org. It placed them in /usr/lib/codecs with links from /usr/lib/win32. Anyone know how to get XMMS to use these codecs? |
| 07:47.44 | tarzeau | reanjr: which exactly? i don't think xmms supports any of those |
| 07:47.54 | tarzeau | reanjr: they are for mplayer mostly, aren't they? |
| 07:48.02 | peterS | and anything that uses libxine |
| 07:48.10 | tarzeau | peterS: and that yes |
| 07:48.18 | tarzeau | the other part of mostly |
| 07:48.38 | reanjr | hmm... I suppose that's possible, but I thought there was a way to get most linux audio players to use the win32 codecs by some sort of intermediary library. |
| 07:48.52 | reanjr | im trying to get it to play wma |
| 07:49.11 | tarzeau | reanjr: mplayer plays them? |
| 07:49.18 | reanjr | don't have mplayer |
| 07:49.24 | tarzeau | reanjr: install it |
| 07:50.43 | Guerin | reanjr: xmms has a wma input plugin |
| 07:51.11 | Guerin | reanjr: might be on d-m.org, might be on rarewares.org, but beware - d-m and rarewares are almost certainly incompatible |
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| 07:51.23 | Guerin | reanjr: and rarewares is only for unstable |
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| 07:53.13 | jmd | How do I find out the gid of a process ? |
| 07:53.15 | craigevil | xmms-wma is in non-free |
| 07:53.26 | craigevil | at least it is for Sid |
| 07:53.59 | Guerin | oh, ok |
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| 07:58.16 | peterS | jmd: ps -o pid,gid,cmd |
| 07:58.37 | reanjr | alrighty, mplayer does not play them either. Looked for xmms-wma in stable non-free, gonna check in unstable non-free |
| 07:58.50 | peterS | jmd: or if you know the process number, ps -o gid 12345 |
| 07:59.16 | enouf | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html FWIW reanjr |
| 07:59.18 | peterS | jmd: (or of course 'ls -ld /proc/12345') |
| 07:59.32 | jmd | peterS: Thanks |
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| 07:59.51 | enouf | reanjr: 6.2.4 section |
| 08:00.04 | peterS | jmd: hmm, come to think of it, egid is probably more interesting than gid. 'ps L' to see all the fields you can use in -o. |
| 08:00.33 | reanjr | ok, unstable non-free FTW |
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| 08:01.08 | philips | peterS: it looks like wpa_supplicant is what I want, just FYI :-P |
| 08:01.35 | jmd | Can somebody explain to me the distinction between /dev/ttyS1 and /dev/ttys1 ? |
| 08:01.47 | peterS | philips: the author of 'whereami' says he will soon be switching away from it, to 'network-manager'. just FYI. |
| 08:01.59 | enouf | peterS: nice .. this works nice (lists more) ps ax -o pid,gid,cmd |
| 08:02.26 | philips | peterS: all of the other tools were ethernet based... I needed wireless |
| 08:02.44 | peterS | philips: pretty sure network-manager can do wireless stuff. but anyway. |
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| 08:03.34 | philips | peterS: yea, that will be the right solution one day- but dbus is sort of a pain to work with when I need to tweak flat text files |
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| 08:03.52 | peterS | jmd: ttypN, qN, rN, sN, tN, ... are old BSD-format pseudo-terminal devices. you don't need them, your applications were upgraded to use /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts/N long long ago |
| 08:04.03 | peterS | jmd: ttyS0 ttyS1 are physical serial ports |
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| 08:04.48 | jmd | peterS: and /dev/ttys1 ? |
| 08:05.02 | jmd | Ahh sorry. |
| 08:05.03 | peterS | jmd: I just told you |
| 08:06.36 | jmd | peterS: I remember there used to be /dev/cuaN but they don't seem to exist in recent kernels. |
| 08:07.02 | peterS | jmd: the BSD pseudo-terminal devices are, I think, {tty,pty}{p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z,a,b,c,d,e,f}{0-9,a-f}. applications had to scan through the whole list looking for an unused one, if they needed one. with /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts/N, the application just has to open /dev/ptmx and a new pseudo-terminal is assigned automatically. much nicer, and no upper limit on number of such devices you can have |
| 08:07.52 | jmd | peterS: You're right. I'd forgotten. I'm interested in serial ports right now. |
| 08:07.54 | peterS | jmd: /dev/cuaN are modem call-out equivalents to /dev/ttySN, which were for incoming connections. the idea is that you could listen on ttyS0 for incoming connections but use cua0 at the same time when dialing out, and the kernel would arbitrate between those two processes |
| 08:08.31 | peterS | jmd: cuaN were eliminated in the 2.1 kernel development cycle, as I recall - now you just use ttySN for both directions, and I forget what the scheme is for resolving the resource contention issue |
| 08:08.34 | zu22 | peterS: wow does linux plan on adopting a similiar layout? |
| 08:08.43 | peterS | zu22: similar to what? |
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| 08:08.59 | jmd | I wonder how the kernel would know which messages were intended for which process. |
| 08:09.02 | peterS | zu22: I've been talking about 4 different concepts, which one are you asking about? (: |
| 08:09.29 | zu22 | peterS: ttySN/cuaN instead of single ttySN, the former seems better than latter! |
| 08:10.17 | peterS | zu22: Linux 2.0 and earlier did in fact use cuaN/ttySN. this was eliminated during the 2.1 devel cycle, so 2.2 no longer supports cuaN. it was replaced by a different scheme, whose details I have forgotten, since I've never used Linux with a modem that expects to receive incoming calls |
| 08:10.25 | jmd | zu22: like peterS said. Linux used to do that, but doesn't anymore. |
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| 08:10.56 | jmd | zu22: If you want to do that, then go back to a 1.2.x |
| 08:11.02 | zu22 | heh |
| 08:11.18 | peterS | well, or 2.0, nothing wrong with 2.0. debian bo (1.1? 1.2?) shipped with kernel 2.0.27, IIRC. |
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| 08:12.42 | zu22 | are those old debians still available? i have an old gateway 486DX notebook with 8 MB ram, 500 MB hdd, and floppy drive i'd like to get Debian on if possible. running WFW atm |
| 08:12.58 | centrx | yes |
| 08:13.00 | zu22 | has one of those annoying pull out mouseballs |
| 08:13.01 | centrx | go download now |
| 08:13.17 | centrx | before they made Linux bloated in 2.4 |
| 08:13.21 | zu22 | centrx: need to get a floppy drive first so i can download and make floppies for it |
| 08:13.45 | peterS | zu22: http://archive.debian.org |
| 08:13.54 | zu22 | thanks (: |
| 08:14.16 | peterS | zu22: last time I needed archive.d.o it was down, though, so I googled for a mirror. fortunately, that was easy to find. |
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| 08:14.31 | zu22 | ok |
| 08:14.44 | peterS | that was probably 3 years ago, it's probably back up by now (: |
| 08:14.52 | zu22 | haha ! |
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| 08:16.50 | zu22 | j ##linux |
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| 08:19.12 | toom | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.23 | toom | Oops |
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| 08:21.44 | reanjr | I would like to mount an NTFS filesystem so that regular users can read it. I added user to /etc/fstab, but this only allows the user to mount it, they still can't read it... |
| 08:22.26 | Guerin | reanjr: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 08:24.44 | reanjr | Guerin: I can't find a package by that name |
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| 08:25.06 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 08:25.06 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 08:25.21 | Guerin | reanjr: details in 'man mount' |
| 08:25.54 | reanjr | ok, thanks. I was a bit confused. |
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| 08:27.32 | ronny_ | hello, pls help me, I installed debian and now I can't enter, I got to the console and that's it |
| 08:27.41 | ronny_ | What can I do |
| 08:27.50 | tarzeau | ronny_: but console is good |
| 08:27.55 | Guerin | ronny_: log in |
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| 08:28.09 | tarzeau | ronny_: maybe you're better off with ubuntu |
| 08:28.10 | ronny_ | tarzeau I love it |
| 08:28.37 | ronny_ | tarzeau but, I would like to see a xmms for example |
| 08:28.50 | ronny_ | tarzeau how can I run it |
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| 08:29.01 | Guerin | ronny_: are you logged in yet? |
| 08:29.10 | tarzeau | ronny_: you need to install it first |
| 08:29.13 | ronny_ | tarzeau yes |
| 08:29.22 | ronny_ | tarzeau it's installed |
| 08:29.27 | solars | how can I append a string to the stdin of a pipe ? |
| 08:29.29 | tarzeau | ronny_: then start x maybe? |
| 08:29.42 | Guerin | solars: >> ? |
| 08:29.44 | ronny_ | tarzeau how |
| 08:29.46 | tarzeau | solars: (cat file; echo string) | whatever |
| 08:29.56 | tarzeau | ronny_: startx |
| 08:30.31 | solars | ah thx |
| 08:31.04 | ronny_ | tarzeau it says command not found |
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| 08:31.31 | zu22 | whenever i saw my desktop configuration (4 xterms at certain window positions etc.) in the GDM menu it never opens them when i login again, what file do i need to edit to get the Xterms to load in X everytime i use GDM? |
| 08:31.35 | tarzeau | ronny_: install it first? |
| 08:31.41 | zu22 | s/saw/save |
| 08:31.42 | tarzeau | ronny_: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 08:31.52 | tarzeau | ronny_: really did you try #ubuntu ? |
| 08:32.12 | tarzeau | ronny_: why did you not select "desktop" at install time? |
| 08:32.24 | Guerin | zu22: man xsession |
| 08:32.37 | zu22 | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:32.43 | Guerin | zu22: there's a gdm profile which just reads .xsession, I think it's called 'default' |
| 08:32.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:32.47 | dpkg | [qotd97] [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 08:32.58 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:33.11 | zu22 | Guerin: ah ok |
| 08:33.14 | ronny_ | tarzeau couldn't find package dtarx |
| 08:33.36 | zu22 | lol |
| 08:33.39 | tarzeau | ronny_: i can't find a package called dtarx either |
| 08:33.43 | tarzeau | ronny_: but did you try apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 08:35.10 | ronny_ | tarzeau sorry wrong spelling but I meant startx |
| 08:35.20 | tarzeau | ronny_: but did you install it first? |
| 08:35.41 | hyper_ch | hiho, how can I check what service listens on what port (as well by port number and service... e.g. I would like to konw to what ports apache listens... and I would like to konw what service listens to port xxx |
| 08:35.49 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: lsof -i, netstat -na |
| 08:35.59 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: lsof -P |grep port |
| 08:36.03 | ronny_ | tarzeau i tried descktop enviroment at install time, should I install x-windows-system-core? |
| 08:36.12 | tarzeau | ronny_: yes |
| 08:36.14 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: I always get an error with lsof |
| 08:36.21 | ronny_ | tarzeau doing it |
| 08:36.27 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: what command exactly? which error? |
| 08:36.34 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: lsof -i :80 |
| 08:36.39 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: that's wrong |
| 08:36.56 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: try lsof -P |grep :80 |
| 08:37.03 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: oh thank you :) |
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| 08:37.30 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: do you have debian? |
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| 08:38.12 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: well, a debian server and running xubuntu on my home desktop |
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| 08:38.34 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: but commands are basically identical... I just needed to find out why gnump3d won't work anymore |
| 08:38.45 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: it's because it's not running :( now I have to find out why |
| 08:38.48 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: checked BTS yet? |
| 08:38.58 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: what's BTS? |
| 08:39.04 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: out of memory? disk space? |
| 08:39.07 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 08:39.07 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 08:39.21 | zu22 | !BTS |
| 08:39.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:39.43 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: nope, enough memory and enough diskspace :) |
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| 08:40.05 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: what does gnump3d say when you start it? |
| 08:40.28 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: nothing.. just that it's starting... |
| 08:40.43 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: try bash -x /etc/init.d/gnump3d start |
| 08:40.49 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: and there's an error.log containing this line (multiple times) only: Caught a SIGTERM at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/Socket.pm line 183 |
| 08:40.49 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: or strace the daemon |
| 08:40.58 | ronny_ | tarzeau done my friend, i installed x-windows-system-core |
| 08:41.00 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: oh perl stuff, i'm out :) |
| 08:41.04 | tarzeau | ronny_: now startx |
| 08:41.41 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: your bash line helped :) start-stop-daemon: Unable to open pidfile `/var/run/gnump3d.pid' for writing: Permission denied (Permission denied) |
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| 08:42.22 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: are you root? is it mounted rw? |
| 08:42.35 | stefano | Hello there.I have a weird problem. I've a Debian 64 bit on my Asus K8V-X athlon64 3000+. Sid, with the stock 2.6.18 kernel. All was right till some days ago, then I put in a 1 gb memory module. System is ok, memtest is ok but my wireless cards started to behave in a strange way. I have a ACX111 card that hangs just after some minutes (and don't come up anymore,even rebooting) and a rt61 card that hangs the whole sy |
| 08:42.36 | stefano | stem. I can just use my old prism2 card with hostap without any trouble. Any idea? |
| 08:43.23 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: I'm not root :) |
| 08:43.54 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: but now I started it as root :) |
| 08:44.30 | tarzeau | stefano: check BTS? |
| 08:45.22 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: thx a lot for your help :) |
| 08:45.32 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: bitte bitte |
| 08:45.35 | stefano | tarzeau: BTS? sorry, I cannot understand... what is the BTS? |
| 08:45.40 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: us welem kantönli bisch? |
| 08:45.42 | ronny_ | tarzeau done with aptitude, but when I try to run it i get command not found |
| 08:45.43 | jmd | Does anyone know how to make chat work the way the man page describes? |
| 08:45.49 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 08:45.50 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:45.57 | tarzeau | jmd: which chat? which man page? |
| 08:45.59 | zu22 | doing dist-upgrade and it's saying it will install what looks like virtually every single xserver-xorg-video-FOO package! ack. i counted over 40. how can i just have it install the ones i need? |
| 08:46.06 | stefano | thank you, bts |
| 08:46.07 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: SG |
| 08:46.09 | stefano | :-) |
| 08:46.09 | tarzeau | ronny_: when you type startx, it says not found? |
| 08:46.12 | stefano | and thank you tarzeau |
| 08:46.15 | stefano | I'm going to see |
| 08:46.17 | ronny_ | tarzeau yes |
| 08:46.40 | tarzeau | ronny_: also install xbase-clients |
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| 08:47.07 | zu22 | right now only xserver packages i have installed are xserver-xfree86, xserver-common and xserver-xorg |
| 08:47.10 | ronny_ | tarzeau doing it |
| 08:47.20 | jmd | tarzeau, chat(8) |
| 08:47.37 | zu22 | so why does dist-upgrade want to give me 40+ xserver packages? |
| 08:47.39 | Sup3rkiddo | !ramen |
| 08:47.39 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 08:47.51 | tarzeau | jmd: i'm not sure you want that |
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| 08:48.20 | zu22 | context is i am running testing, had not upgraded in over a year so i just finished 'apt-get upgrade' and was about to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 08:48.20 | jmd | tarzeau, Well I could use expect, but chat is more conventional |
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| 08:48.25 | zu22 | any clue? |
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| 08:48.30 | tarzeau | jmd: to do what? |
| 08:48.35 | codemarauder | !ramen |
| 08:48.35 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 08:48.41 | tarzeau | jmd: i'm not sure if people still use talk/chat, when there is irc |
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| 08:49.24 | jmd | tarzeau, This is nothing to do with IRC. I'm talking about scripted exchanges, |
| 08:49.37 | zu22 | i don't know how to tell dist-upgrade to not install these 40+ xserver packages, nor do i know precisely what xserver packages it needs (guess this is switch from XFree86 to X.org?) - any help? |
| 08:50.06 | zu22 | i used talk/ytalk back in the day :) |
| 08:50.21 | streuner | !tell zu22 about hold |
| 08:50.23 | zu22 | the 2nd IM client,the first being WALL hehe |
| 08:50.46 | jmd | zu22: I still use ytalk, quite regularly. |
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| 08:51.16 | zu22 | streuner; thanks but i'd like to find out why apt is wanting to give me 40+ xserver packages so i can report it to the mainainter and secondly i am not sure precisel;y what thew new package names are of the ones i need. |
| 08:51.21 | zu22 | jmd: cool |
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| 08:52.11 | zu22 | streuner: any ideas? |
| 08:52.19 | streuner | zu22: changed from 6.9->7.x xorg |
| 08:52.37 | zu22 | streuner: i guess, last time i updated this machine was 13 months ago |
| 08:52.47 | streuner | zu22: well, one basic x-server package which depends on the others should be enough... |
| 08:53.01 | streuner | zu22: why not just upgrade then? |
| 08:53.17 | zu22 | streuner: i just finished the 410MB (apt-get upgrad) which took a week over dialup now was about to do the 560MB 'apt-get dist-upgrade' when i saw it wants to give me over 40 xserver packages. |
| 08:53.31 | zu22 | streuner; i finished first phase of the upgrade already |
| 08:53.34 | streuner | zu22: no worries, that's ok |
| 08:54.01 | zu22 | streuner: since i am on dialup i would rather not install 40 xseerver packages if i can avoid it :) heh |
| 08:54.39 | streuner | zu22: they are just splited so it would be the same if you install one or 40 ... |
| 08:54.48 | streuner | zu22: vs. size |
| 08:55.01 | zu22 | streuner: oh i see what you mean |
| 08:55.23 | zu22 | streuner: maybe i should prune away some packages with aptitude before i do the dist-upgrade phase eh? :) |
| 08:55.33 | streuner | no |
| 08:55.37 | zu22 | oh |
| 08:55.43 | streuner | that's not possible, AFAIK |
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| 08:55.56 | streuner | you need them all or none :-) |
| 08:56.23 | zu22 | streuner: doh so looks like i must finish the dist-upgrade, yay another 7 days of no bandwidth, i need broadband bad :) |
| 08:56.27 | streuner | but just try to hold a single x-server-package (videocard) |
| 08:56.40 | zu22 | streuner: ok |
| 08:56.56 | streuner | zu22: testing or unstable? |
| 08:57.01 | zu22 | streuner; testing |
| 08:57.57 | zu22 | i also should probably upgrade my kernel (2.4.18) but not sure whether it's best to roll my own or install from debian image |
| 08:58.13 | stefano | nothing on Bts... |
| 08:58.35 | zu22 | streuner: testing |
| 08:58.41 | streuner | zu22: if you have no problems and if there are no other issues i would recommend just use the 'old' one |
| 08:59.01 | cydork | zu22: you should upgrade the kernel, etch doesn't have 2.4 support.. |
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| 08:59.14 | zu22 | streuner: ok |
| 08:59.19 | streuner | cydork: he surely mean 2.6.18 |
| 08:59.30 | zu22 | cydork: what kernel do you recommend for p3 750mhz, dell latitude notebook? |
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| 08:59.55 | zu22 | streuner: oops actually i am running 2.4.27 |
| 09:00.01 | cydork | streuner: see :) |
| 09:00.32 | zu22 | before that i ran 2.2.20-idepci |
| 09:00.35 | streuner | !win cydork |
| 09:00.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, cydork! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:00.48 | zu22 | streuner: can you recommend a good kernel for me? :) |
| 09:01.18 | zu22 | s/120/2^120 :) |
| 09:01.25 | tarzeau | zu22: the gnu/kfreebsd one? |
| 09:01.33 | jaalto | How do I donwload source of specific VERSION of package? The subversion-tools removed svn_load_dirs, which is crucialt o svn-buildpackage and I need the svn_load_dirs that is in older package |
| 09:01.37 | streuner | hurt! :-) |
| 09:01.37 | zu22 | tarzeau: linux kernel :) |
| 09:01.51 | cydork | zu22: use 686 |
| 09:01.55 | tarzeau | build your own |
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| 09:01.59 | zu22 | i've never tried a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:02.05 | cydork | tarzeau: why?? why? why? |
| 09:02.08 | tarzeau | debian doesn't provide linux kernels for all needs since some time |
| 09:02.12 | zu22 | tarzeau: what is the highest kernel you think my p3 laptop can handle? |
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| 09:02.20 | tarzeau | cydork: because the debian kernels don't all possible configurations |
| 09:02.31 | tarzeau | cydork: like smp on p2, more than 4 gb memory, k8 32 bit |
| 09:02.35 | cydork | tarzeau: he doesn't need it. |
| 09:02.36 | jaalto | xu22, ANY kernel. I have P2 and latest kernel |
| 09:02.36 | streuner | zu22: you can use every kernel you want |
| 09:02.37 | tarzeau | zu22: the latest 2.6 |
| 09:02.43 | zu22 | wow |
| 09:02.45 | tarzeau | cydork: he want's a p3 kernel |
| 09:02.50 | ronny_ | tarzeau done, but i get an error when i run startx it cant find usr/bin/x11/xinit, and x |
| 09:02.54 | tarzeau | zu22: we've got computers like your laptop |
| 09:02.56 | cydork | tarzeau: well 686 is good enough.. |
| 09:03.03 | tarzeau | ronny_: which error? check the log file? configure x |
| 09:03.11 | tarzeau | ronny_: but why not get #ubuntu ? |
| 09:03.14 | tarzeau | cydork: not for us |
| 09:03.18 | zu22 | if i roll my own is it still work making a package and 'dpkg -i' it or not worth the bother since not from repo? |
| 09:03.19 | jaalto | join #debian-devel |
| 09:03.24 | zu22 | s/work/worth |
| 09:03.25 | tarzeau | cydork: and believe me, it MAKES a difference |
| 09:04.10 | tarzeau | zu22: use kernel-package, make-kpkg, it's great |
| 09:04.10 | zu22 | tarzeau: cool |
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| 09:04.17 | zu22 | tarzeau: so what kernel number and type do you run on your laptops that are like mine? 2.6-686? |
| 09:04.51 | cydork | tarzeau: i know but i wont recommend to start with vanilla kernel. he can use the debian .config and use make oldconfig if REQURED! :) |
| 09:04.55 | someguy | !ramen |
| 09:04.55 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 09:05.04 | cydork | someguy: you hungry?? |
| 09:05.09 | someguy | !ramen |
| 09:05.09 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 09:05.24 | tarzeau | zu22: we still run 2.4.33.2 kernels, but i've tested latest 2.6 kernels and they do fine |
| 09:05.29 | jmd | Hmm. It seems that pppd ignores "connect" lines in its configuration file. |
| 09:05.39 | tarzeau | zu22: here: http://bb.phys.ethz.ch/bb/ |
| 09:05.46 | zu22 | tarzeau: thanks i was a bit nervous about stability issues. will do as you recommend |
| 09:05.51 | tarzeau | zu22: that's the workstations we run (scroll down), not sure if you see the kernels there |
| 09:06.02 | zu22 | tarzeau: oh yeah |
| 09:06.10 | tarzeau | cydork: ugh, debian does initrd kernels, i hate them |
| 09:06.18 | tarzeau | cydork: but yet's it's a possibility |
| 09:06.28 | ronny_ | tarzeau ok, look I am industrial engineer, I love free software phylosofy, i am aware that we need one person in a company which know at least the basic part of an operating system in order to migrate the company. this should be me. One mounth ago I started with mandriva, then ubuntu, I learned fast really. But I think Debian is the best and here I am. I installed and three hours later I just get a white and black screen, I love it but at my company I should |
| 09:06.28 | zu22 | tarzeau: one of my friends is in lausanne, hope i can visit .ch someday (: |
| 09:06.34 | someguy | cydork: yes |
| 09:06.35 | tarzeau | zu22, cydork: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ check the linux-* directories |
| 09:06.45 | tarzeau | zu22, cydork if you want non-initrd .config files |
| 09:06.45 | zu22 | tarzeau: will bookmark that thx |
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| 09:06.53 | zu22 | yeah i prfer non-initrd |
| 09:06.58 | zu22 | s/prfer/prefer |
| 09:06.59 | tarzeau | zu22: oh, i'd like to drink some beer with you |
| 09:07.15 | zu22 | tarzeau: thanks and we can have some Lindt chocolate too i hope! |
| 09:07.43 | basanta | kpersonalizer: cannot connet to X server , any idea? |
| 09:07.49 | tarzeau | zu22: definitely |
| 09:07.53 | zu22 | :) |
| 09:08.01 | tarzeau | zu22: but i'm in kt. aargau, 20 minutes west of zurich |
| 09:08.11 | zu22 | tarzeau: is that your personal homepage on that server? |
| 09:08.19 | ronny_ | tarzeau please help me with that |
| 09:08.21 | tarzeau | ronny_: ah i didn't know that |
| 09:08.25 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah, i can hike there from lausanne :) |
| 09:08.30 | zu22 | i love mountain hiking |
| 09:08.39 | tarzeau | ronny_: how many computers will you have? |
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| 09:09.00 | ronny_ | tarzeau I am trying here at home, but at the company there are 6 |
| 09:09.49 | ronny_ | tarzeau I got my cousin PC, and here at home now I have 2 |
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| 09:10.05 | ronny_ | tarzeau and chating with you in one and the other.. you know |
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| 09:11.47 | tarzeau | ronny_: well if it was 100+ there's some automated stuff you can do. but your problem is to get X to work, right? |
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| 09:11.55 | tarzeau | ronny_: you type startx and you don't get graphics? |
| 09:11.56 | incorrect | how do i mount tmpfs? |
| 09:12.07 | tarzeau | can you put your /var/log/[xX]*.log online? |
| 09:12.12 | ronny_ | tarzeau yes I got an error |
| 09:12.17 | tarzeau | ronny_: which error? |
| 09:12.56 | ronny_ | tarzeau it looks that it can't find some files or directories like usr/bin/x11/x |
| 09:13.03 | ronny_ | tarzeau and xinit |
| 09:13.12 | tarzeau | ronny_: do you have stable ? |
| 09:13.19 | ronny_ | tarzeau yes |
| 09:13.47 | ronny_ | tarzeau unable to connect to x server errno2 there it is |
| 09:14.22 | tarzeau | ronny_: can you put the whole output online? |
| 09:14.30 | tarzeau | ronny_: can you install thttpd and put it in /var/www/ ? |
| 09:14.31 | ronny_ | sure |
| 09:14.45 | cydork | incorrect: which version of debian are you using? |
| 09:14.53 | incorrect | sarge |
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| 09:16.28 | cydork | incorrect: and there is none in your fstab? |
| 09:16.46 | incorrect | i just added one |
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| 09:17.02 | ronny_ | tarzeau done |
| 09:17.11 | ronny_ | tarzeau I installed thttpd |
| 09:17.19 | hburchey | How can I tell ifup to ignore the gateway provided my DHCP server? |
| 09:17.19 | ronny_ | tarzeau and I am in var/www |
| 09:17.39 | tarzeau | ronny_: copy the logfile there |
| 09:18.10 | ronny_ | tarzeau where is the logfile |
| 09:18.11 | tarzeau | ronny_: and what's your ip? connecting to the ip you're coming from to irc asks for a username/password for Viking |
| 09:18.20 | tarzeau | ronny_: /var/log/[Xx]*.log |
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| 09:19.24 | zu22 | ronny_: look in /var/log |
| 09:19.35 | ronny_ | tarzeau i have daemon.log, base-config.log |
| 09:19.44 | ronny_ | zu22 i have daemon.log, base-config.log |
| 09:19.50 | tarzeau | ronny_: no xfree86*.log ? |
| 09:20.19 | zu22 | ronny_: /var/log/messages, /var/log/XFree86*, /var/log/Xorg* etc.. |
| 09:20.19 | tarzeau | ronny_: maybe capital XF ? |
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| 09:20.26 | lastnode | guys, im just about to deboostrap debian, i was wondering though, does the bcm43xx driver ship enabled with the default kernel? |
| 09:20.26 | zu22 | your syslog must be set up funny perhaps |
| 09:21.13 | ronny_ | tarzeau zu22 sorry but there is nothing with X |
| 09:21.48 | tarzeau | ronny_: i can't access your web server either |
| 09:21.55 | tarzeau | ronny_: what's your ip on the computer you say startx? |
| 09:22.02 | cydork | lastnode: yep |
| 09:22.16 | ronny_ | tarzeau How to find that information |
| 09:22.23 | tarzeau | ronny_: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 09:22.35 | lastnode | cydork, im debootstrapping sid, so im assuming sid has 2.6.17+? |
| 09:23.34 | ronny_ | tarzeau 192.168.1.33 |
| 09:23.46 | tarzeau | ronny_: that's not reachable on the internet |
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| 09:24.02 | tarzeau | lastnode: it's got 2.6.18+ |
| 09:24.08 | tarzeau | lastnode: which arch? |
| 09:24.18 | ronny_ | tarzeau How is looks like |
| 09:24.27 | lastnode | tarzeau, i386 |
| 09:24.28 | tarzeau | ronny_: do you have a firewall? |
| 09:24.29 | cydork | lastnode: 2.6.18 |
| 09:24.40 | lastnode | cool, brill - thanks cydork , tarzeau |
| 09:24.47 | ronny_ | tarzeau don't know I just installed debian and format everthing |
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| 09:24.58 | tarzeau | ronny_: but who is responsible for your network? |
| 09:25.08 | lastnode | this is a logn shot, but has someone here got deb working with a bcm4318, using bcm43xx-fwcutter? |
| 09:25.09 | zu22 | roony_: is your machine NATed? behind firewall? |
| 09:25.12 | lastnode | *long |
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| 09:25.17 | tarzeau | ronny_: you either need a port forward for your webserver or you want your computer directly in the internet |
| 09:25.21 | tarzeau | and then read !harden-doc |
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| 09:25.38 | tarzeau | zu22: he doesn't know |
| 09:25.56 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 09:26.02 | tarzeau | but he is an industrial engineer and he love free software phylosofy |
| 09:26.09 | zu22 | heh |
| 09:26.17 | tarzeau | zu22: it's true, check your backlog |
| 09:26.26 | zu22 | ah i see that :) |
| 09:26.38 | tarzeau | i wonder what age, what company and which country |
| 09:26.39 | ronny_ | tarzeau I just hava a simple modem here at home, but maybe that's the poing, how can I change my webserver |
| 09:26.54 | zu22 | tarzeau: "Inquiring minds want to know." :P |
| 09:27.00 | tarzeau | ronny_: really the webserver is fine, your modem is crap |
| 09:27.15 | tarzeau | zu22: i told him he shall try ubuntu, long long ago |
| 09:27.24 | tarzeau | zu22: but he doesn't like ubuntu because it's not completely free software |
| 09:27.29 | ronny_ | tarzeau but this machine , I mean the one I am using for chat is fine in the same modem |
| 09:27.37 | ronny_ | tarzeau I am in Peru |
| 09:27.39 | tarzeau | ronny_: you can try one of the other free software distributions at www.gnu.org |
| 09:27.44 | zu22 | tarzeau: his debian install may not be completely free either i reckon |
| 09:27.48 | tarzeau | my personal tip is, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 09:28.15 | tarzeau | zu22: depends on how you define free, and what parts of non-debian he adds |
| 09:28.19 | ronny_ | tarzeau maybe I should install again |
| 09:28.22 | zu22 | ronny_: our museum had a nice exhibit on Machu Pichu which i attened several times, very interesting |
| 09:28.30 | zu22 | tarzeau: yeah |
| 09:28.30 | tarzeau | ronny_: no |
| 09:28.41 | tarzeau | ronny_: this is not windows. re-installs often don't fix your problems |
| 09:28.57 | tarzeau | ronny_: what industry do you work in? |
| 09:29.19 | ronny_ | zu22 yes its the best tpart of the world everybody is welcome ok, I can give you information and everything to make the trip affordable and nice |
| 09:29.40 | cached_ | damn. guiding is hard. i can see you guys have a long time explaining to ronny_. |
| 09:29.47 | zu22 | tarzeau: i am not quite in the Stallman camp of "must only run this with this license" etc.. but in general the more free the better :) |
| 09:29.52 | ronny_ | tarzeau beer industry |
| 09:29.58 | tarzeau | zu22: i hate debian to remove gcc man pages |
| 09:30.01 | ronny_ | tarzeau backus and Johson |
| 09:30.30 | zu22 | tarzeau: me too, i've used them more than once to help me out of a bind |
| 09:30.40 | ronny_ | tarzeau I am pretty sorry and I appreciate your time a lot |
| 09:31.39 | tarzeau | zu22: have you tried my gnustep cd? |
| 09:31.57 | ronny_ | zu22 if somebody speaks spanish can go to mentelibre.org which is my org and can see that I am not just a talker |
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| 09:33.15 | zu22 | tarzeau: i haven't, would like to try it but have no CD/DVD burner nor enough bandwidth (dialup) |
| 09:33.31 | tarzeau | zu22: what country? |
| 09:33.35 | zu22 | tarzeau: USA |
| 09:33.40 | tarzeau | zu22: the cd's can be ordered for a few dollars |
| 09:33.54 | zu22 | tarzeau: cool where can i order it? |
| 09:34.19 | tarzeau | zu22: http://cheapiso.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=21 |
| 09:34.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: do you have a GNustep development page i could see? |
| 09:34.30 | tarzeau | zu22: sure, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ |
| 09:34.35 | zu22 | tarzeau: always glad to support FOSS :) |
| 09:34.41 | zu22 | tarzeau: neat |
| 09:34.49 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm setuping a small local area network with both computers under Debian. I'm limiting the packet forwarding on the gateway to some typical ports, like 80 or 21. With this limitation I can't use apt-get update so I can't update my cache, could you tell me what's the good ports to allow ? |
| 09:35.07 | cached_ | working with gnusteps really makes you like an old school unix user. |
| 09:35.22 | centrx | how about gnubabysteps |
| 09:35.22 | cached_ | i bet tarzeau is one :) |
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| 09:35.43 | zu22 | cached_: i started using SYSVR3 on a AT&T UNIX PC (tm) back in the 80s :) |
| 09:35.47 | tarzeau | cached_: i'm only using linux since nov |
| 09:35.57 | tarzeau | 1999. but i also use nextstep/openstep and other unices |
| 09:36.05 | tarzeau | zu22: what's your age? mine's 28 |
| 09:36.07 | zu22 | tarzeau: i'll be eager to see how it does performance wise |
| 09:36.13 | zu22 | tarzeau: 28+2 |
| 09:37.26 | zu22 | my first computer was 8086 TRS-80 then 8088 XT (which still runs rock solid), then 286 etc... |
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| 09:37.40 | zu22 | i have also Sparc IPX i want to get something on it |
| 09:37.49 | zu22 | but i must resolve BIOS issue |
| 09:37.51 | ronny_ | tarzeau zu22 well so if I dont reinstall maybe I can reconfigure something |
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| 09:38.16 | zu22 | and a 286 gateway notebook i want to get some *nix on :) |
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| 09:38.35 | tarzeau | zu22: i got a sparc classic :) |
| 09:38.39 | zu22 | ronny_: were you able to get those logs online for tarzeau to examine? |
| 09:38.46 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah a pizza box eh |
| 09:38.53 | tarzeau | zu22: no a shoe box, but i got the others too |
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| 09:39.01 | ronny_ | zu22 not |
| 09:39.01 | zu22 | tarzeau: cool my IPX is shoe box too |
| 09:39.12 | tarzeau | zu22: all sparc classic are shoe boxes, ipc or ipx |
| 09:39.13 | Esaj | is there a way to archive only the bits of a debian installation that have changed from the defaults? |
| 09:39.15 | user__ | how does one skip with preseed 'network configuration' ? |
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| 09:39.18 | ronny_ | zu22 actually I cant even find 'em |
| 09:39.26 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah |
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| 09:39.45 | zu22 | tarzeau: have you done any benchmarking of gnustep and other *nix distros? |
| 09:40.05 | tarzeau | zu22: it's a minimal debian installation with many tools and gnustep software. the package list is online: |
| 09:40.16 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/install.txt |
| 09:40.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: sounds like great development distro |
| 09:40.38 | tarzeau | zu22: development, system recovery, nethack and gnustep |
| 09:40.45 | zu22 | sweet~ |
| 09:40.48 | tarzeau | zu22: also some nifty sound tools (ocp, schism) |
| 09:41.06 | zu22 | keep spreading the word |
| 09:41.09 | tarzeau | zu22: and yes, it's way faster than gnome/kde |
| 09:41.19 | zu22 | have you expo'd it at any shows/conferences? |
| 09:41.26 | tarzeau | zu22: i hope to be at FOSDEM.07 |
| 09:41.32 | zu22 | great |
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| 09:42.20 | tarzeau | zu22: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep-1.0.txt |
| 09:42.26 | tarzeau | zu22: sorry the other was the notes how to install it |
| 09:42.27 | zu22 | wget'ing |
| 09:42.32 | zu22 | k |
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| 09:43.20 | chemaja | alright listen, i've had it with google and yahoo and intel. someone... please (please) tell me: what is the most powerful LAPTOP open-source-supporting graphics card driver available (or coming out in the next few months)? the best i can find is i945 chipset from Intel, but this is oldschool (saw a post dated 2004 on it). help! |
| 09:43.28 | chemaja | i'm looking to run beryl |
| 09:43.45 | petemc | beryl works fine on a dell latitude i have using a radeon card |
| 09:44.04 | zu22 | over 400 packages nice |
| 09:44.07 | chemaja | petemc: is it using the OSS driver, or proprietary code? |
| 09:44.18 | petemc | chemaja: proprietary |
| 09:44.41 | chemaja | petemc: then it fails the criterion. thanks for sharing, though. |
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| 09:45.47 | zu22 | there's that open hardware initiative but years away from fruition, the chip makers have not enough financial incentive (in their view) to have open model |
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| 09:47.39 | chemaja | zu22: inightful... thanks. |
| 09:47.51 | chemaja | (informative?) |
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| 09:50.49 | omri | hi, I'm having trouble upgrading my mysql-client on debian stable; I've upgraded mysql-client from backports, everything is working just fine. the problem is when trying to use apt; I'm getting a message about apt-get -f install which is trying to remove the new mysql-client and reinstall the old one |
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| 09:51.00 | omri | I've been googling for a bit and found something about package marking |
| 09:51.12 | omri | didn't find how to make that happen though; any ideas? |
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| 09:52.12 | cydork | !tell omri -about pinning |
| 09:52.34 | omri | thank you, I'll have a look |
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| 09:53.22 | omri | hhmm... that doesn't help me |
| 09:53.29 | omri | it doesn't say anything about marking packages |
| 09:54.00 | omri | mysql-client is mysql4.0 dep, I need to make debian think mysql-client is installed. how do I do that? |
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| 09:54.10 | omri | the package that I installed supplies mysql-client5 |
| 09:54.23 | omri | *mysql-client-5.0 |
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| 09:55.14 | cydork | omri: read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 09:55.31 | cydork | omri: did you give pin priority? |
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| 09:56.09 | omri | the packages don't have the same name (mysql-client and mysql-client-5.0). isn't that a problem? |
| 09:57.31 | omri | cydork: nope; this is what I have: |
| 09:57.43 | omri | Package: mysql-client |
| 09:57.43 | omri | Pin: version 5.0 |
| 09:57.52 | omri | that's from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 09:57.52 | rshakin | stupid question whats the mode for this dir drwxr-xr-x dtructure |
| 09:58.05 | rshakin | 744 ? |
| 09:58.14 | omri | 755 |
| 09:58.15 | cydork | !tell rshakin -about chmod |
| 09:59.05 | rshakin | thanx... sorry for a retarted question |
| 09:59.23 | omri | cydork: I think the problem is mysql-client-5.0 isn't named mysql-client; what can I do to rename it or make debian think mysql-client is also installed? |
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| 10:00.22 | tarzeau | !ffordie |
| 10:00.27 | omri | isn't there a simple way to "fake" installed package? |
| 10:00.48 | cahoot | equivs? |
| 10:00.54 | cydork | omri: i dont think that should be problem, but you can /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 10:01.34 | cydork | tarzeau: huh? |
| 10:01.55 | tarzeau | cydork: there's some ff or die javascript crashing all ff, but i can't find it |
| 10:01.59 | cydork | tarzeau: i choose f :P |
| 10:02.12 | omri | cydork: I just found something about it on google :) thanks |
| 10:02.12 | tarzeau | cydork: it should probably be reported. there's another which is in BTS: the www.swiss.ch search a flight one |
| 10:02.37 | cydork | tarzeau: which ff? |
| 10:02.41 | tarzeau | cydork: any |
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| 10:03.11 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: you know an irc client that has a plugin for amarok so that it tells what you are listening to? |
| 10:03.26 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: no, i use my irc client for irc. period |
| 10:03.34 | tarzeau | and i use my web browers for the web browsing |
| 10:03.53 | omri | tarzeau: amazing! do you also use music players to listen to music? :) |
| 10:03.58 | tarzeau | omri: yeh :) |
| 10:04.00 | cydork | tarzeau: you can use emacs for both! |
| 10:04.08 | tarzeau | omri: well some people use the browser for whatever crap (forums?) |
| 10:04.09 | gcbirzan | Make coffee, too. |
| 10:04.14 | tarzeau | cydork: yeah emacs is great |
| 10:04.23 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: ok :) |
| 10:04.25 | tarzeau | but i don't use nethack to hack networks |
| 10:04.41 | tarzeau | see #nethack |
| 10:04.46 | cydork | hehe |
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| 10:12.01 | omri | blah! I've created a dummy package for mysql-client and now it conflicts again |
| 10:12.05 | omri | what do I do? :( |
| 10:12.24 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.58 | cydork | omri: paste the error in pastebin.. |
| 10:15.20 | omri | I've installed it with --force-all; now I get apt-get -f install messages again... |
| 10:15.22 | omri | sec. |
| 10:16.00 | cydork | !force-all |
| 10:16.00 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 10:16.51 | gcbirzan | --force-all is a shorthand for every --force-stuff I need to use, but can't be arsed to check the syntax for. :-) |
| 10:17.01 | omri | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qi9HeM93.html |
| 10:17.06 | omri | gcbirzan: exactly. |
| 10:17.38 | cydork | omri: and what does apt-get -f install do? |
| 10:17.54 | omri | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 10:17.54 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.57 | omri | haha |
| 10:18.31 | omri | why can't mysql-server work with mysql-client-5.0 ??? |
| 10:18.52 | omri | what's the deal? AFAIK mysql-client is backwards compatible |
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| 10:19.53 | cydork | omri: i am not sure you can have different version of mysql-client and server on same machine. but i can be wrong. |
| 10:20.16 | omri | everything works fine now; I just want to get rid of this message |
| 10:20.24 | omri | mysql-server 4.0 works find with mysql-client 5.0 |
| 10:20.32 | omri | *fine |
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| 10:22.34 | omri | anyways; how do I make this message disappear? (apt-get [anything] 2>&1 > /dev/null is not a solution) |
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| 10:23.12 | dn4 | peterS you awake? |
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| 10:26.26 | Chandu | hi |
| 10:27.15 | cydork | omri: apt-cache policy mysql-client paste that in pastebin.. |
| 10:27.39 | Chandu | I am proud to aanounce the "Beta Release of BOSS Linux" based on Debian with debian G-I |
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| 10:28.26 | omri | the dummy package is installed now and I can't remove it; it asks me to apt-get -f install and that will remove my mysql-server ... |
| 10:28.28 | cahoot | g-i as in gastro-intestinal? |
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| 10:28.38 | Chandu | cd images are availbe for download at "nrcfoss.org.in/boss" |
| 10:29.39 | omri | oh, dpkg --remove mysql-client did the trick :) |
| 10:29.53 | omri | now I'm back to startoff point |
| 10:30.25 | omri | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kgtgsG13.html |
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| 10:33.28 | Zap-W | say , atq is a symbolic link to at , so why when i run atq and at , i get different outputs? |
| 10:34.23 | sep | Zap-W, becouse it's called under a different name |
| 10:34.46 | sep | atq = at -l |
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| 10:39.04 | omri | Zap-W: the program can "see" how did you call it |
| 10:39.17 | omri | that's argv[0] if your fimilar with programming |
| 10:39.33 | ic56 | a/mgs dpkg etch |
| 10:39.39 | ic56 | oops, sorry |
| 10:39.41 | Zap-W | in bash there is something similar to tell that |
| 10:39.47 | omri | $0 ? |
| 10:39.59 | omri | or $@, I can't recall |
| 10:40.06 | niles | hi gang |
| 10:40.18 | niles | what would be the tool to look up, for installing device drivers? |
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| 10:40.23 | ic56 | omri: |
| 10:40.28 | ic56 | omri: $0 |
| 10:41.31 | cydork | niles: like what? |
| 10:41.34 | ic56 | niles: Assuming you want modules, just use apt-get like usual. |
| 10:41.49 | niles | i need to configure alsa. |
| 10:42.01 | niles | for some reason i have to run alsaconf after every reboot |
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| 10:42.12 | niles | i pulled my hard drive out of a disfucntional PC into this one. |
| 10:42.18 | omri | ic56: makes sence |
| 10:42.48 | omri | wild guess: dpkg-reconfigure alsa ? |
| 10:42.54 | niles | oh ok |
| 10:42.57 | cydork | omri: nope. |
| 10:42.58 | niles | i'll try that. |
| 10:43.02 | jatt | sudo apt-get update |
| 10:43.02 | jatt | : There are no public key available for the following key IDs: Message |
| 10:43.02 | jatt | SELECT |
| 10:43.02 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.02 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.14 | omri | that's why I said wild guess :) |
| 10:44.02 | cydork | niles: why do you have run alsaconf after every reboot? |
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| 10:45.13 | niles | cydork: it's like my settings dont save after the prior run of alsaconf |
| 10:45.58 | Zap-W | where can i find at examples |
| 10:45.59 | jatt | my apologies |
| 10:46.01 | omri | mmm, alsactl store ? |
| 10:46.04 | DrthHmstr` | ok |
| 10:46.48 | jatt | apt-get update |
| 10:46.48 | jatt | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 10:46.48 | jatt | why? |
| 10:47.26 | cydork | niles: what omri said. |
| 10:48.11 | omri | jatt: wild guess: topic |
| 10:49.04 | jatt | omri: ah ok, it's mentioned in the topic, thanks |
| 10:49.24 | cahoot | niles: etch? |
| 10:49.25 | omri | everything is ;) |
| 10:49.55 | niles | sarge |
| 10:50.08 | niles | im waiting for etch till december |
| 10:50.13 | cahoot | niles: alsa-utils installed? |
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| 10:50.29 | niles | yes |
| 10:50.35 | niles | apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
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| 10:50.59 | cahoot | niles: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (might be for etch though) |
| 10:51.29 | niles | ehh sound base is not installed |
| 10:51.38 | niles | i did a alsactl store |
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| 10:53.35 | jatt | ok, I did |
| 10:53.38 | jatt | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 10:54.07 | jatt | but the problem remains |
| 10:54.07 | jatt | : There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 10:54.07 | jatt | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 10:59.29 | richjkl | How do you change what timezone you're using? |
| 11:01.02 | ic56 | richjkl: do you mean change the timezone in which the computer is located or the timezone in which you, an individual user is located? |
| 11:01.42 | richjkl | I mean, when I use date, it tells me I am in EST, but I want it to use GMT |
| 11:02.08 | ilf | euh, i can't seem to find my icewasel profile dir. there is none in my home and the one in /etc doesn't save the changes i make in iceweasel options |
| 11:03.06 | Esaj | richjkl: maybe try /etc/timezone? |
| 11:03.41 | richjkl | Esaj: I edited that to say "Etc/GMT", but I don't know if that's right. Or if I should do something else. |
| 11:03.45 | ic56 | richjkl: are you the only user on the system or are there other users, for whom the computer might need to display a different timezone than you want for yourself? |
| 11:04.20 | richjkl | ic56: I want it so that it always displays in GMT |
| 11:04.31 | Esaj | jatt: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 11:04.58 | ic56 | arichjkl: are you the only user on the system or are there other users, for whom the computer might need to display a different timezone than you want for yourself? |
| 11:05.02 | ic56 | oops,sorry |
| 11:05.20 | ic56 | arichjkl: ok, that means you want to change it system-wide. Do this: |
| 11:07.15 | ic56 | arichjkl: run tzselect. It's an interactive that will help you choose the right timezone. Then, I think, you use tzconfig to set the value you chose. I've never used tzconfig; I suspect what it does is update /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone |
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| 11:08.22 | SpeedyG | 16 |
| 11:08.26 | Esaj | yeah you can use tzconfig to select something like GMT+0 |
| 11:08.46 | ic56 | arichjkl: NB: /etc/localtime is a symlink. If you go about this manually, don't modify the file -- instead, replace the symlink with one to a different file pointing to the same directory as the old one |
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| 11:09.25 | ic56 | richjkl: sorry, last few posts went to arichjkl. Hopefully you noticed them. |
| 11:10.41 | richjkl | ic56: Yeah |
| 11:11.06 | richjkl | Thanks |
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| 11:13.44 | jerome | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.48 | jerome | haon. |
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| 11:15.54 | jerome | hum. Keys not found on server. |
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| 11:17.30 | richjkl | ic56: When I run date, it still shows up as EST |
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| 11:18.15 | ic56 | richjkl: ok. What commands did you run to change the timezone? |
| 11:19.25 | richjkl | ic56: Nevermind. I just used tzconfig instead of tzselect and it worked. :P |
| 11:20.10 | Schalken | i have just installed kde+xorg+kdm+debian, and after starting kde kmix says it cannot start the sound server. how can i remedy this? |
| 11:20.10 | ic56 | richjkl: like I said, tzselect doesn't change anything. It only helps you pick a value. |
| 11:21.01 | Skiver | Schalken, login using normal user ? |
| 11:21.11 | cydork | richjkl: tzconfig |
| 11:21.25 | Schalken | Skiver: yes |
| 11:22.48 | Skiver | Schalken, if this is a fresh setup..you can try add the current user into audio group. |
| 11:23.10 | Schalken | Skiver: how? |
| 11:23.28 | Skiver | uhmm.. |
| 11:23.53 | Skiver | hold on i forgot about this. |
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| 11:24.19 | Skiver | ah |
| 11:24.27 | Skiver | adduser USER GROUP |
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| 11:24.52 | Skiver | you need root for this. |
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| 11:25.27 | Schalken | The user `(me)' is already a member of `audio'. |
| 11:25.34 | Schalken | Skiver: ^ |
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| 11:26.30 | rvsjoen | using alsa for sound ? |
| 11:26.42 | Schalken | rvsjoen: i dont know, am i? |
| 11:27.10 | noviac | dmesg | egrep -i alsa |
| 11:27.31 | Schalken | noviac: no output |
| 11:27.46 | noviac | k, then no alsa. |
| 11:28.04 | noviac | u installed any other driver that u know of? |
| 11:28.26 | Schalken | noviac: unless its installed by default or depended on by the kde, kdm or xorg packages, no |
| 11:28.59 | noviac | ls /proc/* | grep sound |
| 11:29.20 | Schalken | noviac: /proc/asound: |
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| 11:30.34 | jatt | the solution in the topic doesn't work |
| 11:30.39 | jatt | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 11:30.58 | jatt | apt-get update |
| 11:30.58 | jatt | : There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:30.58 | jatt | what am I doing wrong? |
| 11:31.13 | noviac | ls /proc/asound/* |
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| 11:31.45 | noviac | also try: dpkg -l alsa* |
| 11:31.57 | jerome | jatt: see /topic |
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| 11:32.25 | jatt | I saw the topic and dpkg told me to run |
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| 11:32.27 | jatt | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:32.31 | jerome | that being said, gpg just can't find the keys here. Maybe some sort of proxy problem. |
| 11:32.36 | jerome | Annoying however. |
| 11:32.41 | yang | are there extra steps needed to configure mailman with exim4 on debian? |
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| 11:32.50 | Schalken | !paste |
| 11:32.50 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 11:32.55 | badcfe | is there some way to completely disable sata on a sarge install? |
| 11:34.51 | Schalken | noviac: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4566 |
| 11:35.38 | noviac | Schalken: dpkg -l alsa* |
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| 11:37.29 | Schalken | noviac: errrrm.... alsa-utils |
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| 11:38.01 | noviac | and alsa-base? |
| 11:38.26 | Schalken | noviac: no mention of alsa-base |
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| 11:38.30 | SpeedyG | 16 |
| 11:38.34 | Schalken | should i install it? |
| 11:38.36 | noviac | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 11:38.43 | k_osh | A good graphical package manager for debian, is there one? Kpackage isn't quite what I was hoping for. |
| 11:38.59 | tarzeau | k_osh: no there isn't |
| 11:39.06 | craigevil | k_osh: try Synaptic or Adept |
| 11:39.12 | Skiver | k_osh, you can try synaptic. |
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| 11:39.37 | Schalken | noviac: okay should i log out and back in? |
| 11:40.01 | k_osh | So aptitude or synaptic then. Like ubuntu. Got it. |
| 11:40.18 | noviac | try it.. What type of soundcard is it? |
| 11:40.49 | Schalken | noviac: on baord, my MB is a gigabyte sis 661FX |
| 11:41.12 | Schalken | noviac: worked in every other distro i used |
| 11:41.17 | noviac | ok |
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| 11:41.22 | jerome | jatt: I can't get those keys either. Maybe a proxy problem. |
| 11:41.27 | Schalken | brb |
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| 11:41.38 | k_osh | Hmm, adept, not aptitude. My bad. |
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| 11:44.18 | Skiver | !key |
| 11:44.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, key is gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 11:44.46 | Skiver | !key A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:47.41 | Skiver | oops iceweasel. |
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| 11:48.14 | Skiver | Schalken, how ? |
| 11:48.58 | Schalken | it still says arts: unknown device |
| 11:49.24 | Skiver | oh yeah.. |
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| 11:50.25 | Zap-W | what is the .* in grep '^[0-9].*respawn:/sbin/mingetty' /etc/inittab |
| 11:50.26 | Skiver | Schalken, Kmenu > Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System > Hardware |
| 11:50.33 | Skiver | see what you can do there. |
| 11:50.47 | Schalken | okay |
| 11:51.13 | Schalken | Skiver: the sidebar in kcontrol is empty :( |
| 11:52.19 | Schalken | what do i do? |
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| 11:52.40 | Qy | I'd like to edit an existing video file (cut in parts, flow over with effects and such), could someone suggest me a application? |
| 11:53.13 | Skiver | Schalken, you have sound in KDE if logging in with KDE ? |
| 11:53.19 | Skiver | err |
| 11:53.21 | Schalken | Skiver: no |
| 11:53.21 | Skiver | root. |
| 11:53.55 | jatt | it still doesn't work |
| 11:53.55 | jatt | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:53.55 | jatt | ... |
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| 11:54.00 | Skiver | even with root ? |
| 11:54.11 | jatt | : There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:54.12 | Schalken | Skiver: kcontrol as root? it says kded: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed! kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed. |
| 11:54.28 | jatt | what is this? |
| 11:55.13 | Skiver | Schalken: login KDE with root. Do you have sound with that? |
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| 11:55.32 | Schalken | Skiver: i doubt but i will try |
| 11:55.50 | jatt | !key |
| 11:55.50 | dpkg | key is, like, gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 11:55.58 | jatt | ok, let's try that |
| 11:55.59 | Skiver | Schalken, please. |
| 11:56.18 | Schalken | everything is horribly slow, every thing that is drawn to the screen you can see slide down |
| 11:56.54 | Schalken | Skiver: "root logins are not allowed" |
| 11:57.21 | jatt | would someone update the answer of |
| 11:57.21 | jatt | /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 11:57.21 | jatt | ? The current answer is useless, thanks. |
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| 11:57.53 | cjari | hey, is there anything you can do when the kernel goes panic during reboot after an upgrade? |
| 11:57.56 | Schalken | so far a debian install has rendered my computer severely brocken |
| 11:58.05 | Schalken | can someone help me? |
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| 11:58.55 | Skiver | Schalken, the O/S might be, but not your computer. |
| 11:59.21 | Skiver | Schalken, now try edit /etc/kd3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 11:59.39 | Skiver | Schalken, look for AllowRootLogin |
| 11:59.54 | Skiver | set it to true |
| 12:00.08 | Schalken | Skiver: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 12:03.12 | Skiver | Schalken, when is that ? |
| 12:03.53 | Schalken | Skiver: with "kedit /etc/kd3/kdm/kdmrc" as root |
| 12:04.26 | cydork | gentoosmite Lap_64 |
| 12:04.35 | cydork | bah.. |
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| 12:06.28 | mick_home | nalioth: you up |
| 12:06.33 | Schalken | Skiver: i dont think i can talk in PM |
| 12:06.35 | mick_home | another onjoin bot |
| 12:06.54 | Schalken | "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems" even though i am registered! |
| 12:07.13 | mick_home | Schalken: identify |
| 12:07.16 | amphi | Schalken: you are not identified |
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| 12:07.29 | mick_home | Schalken: /msg nickserv identify <password> |
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| 12:09.02 | Schalken | mick_home: it just sends "identify " to 'nickserv' and nothing happens |
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| 12:10.02 | amphi | Schalken: well, you're now 'identified to services', so something happened ;) |
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| 12:14.28 | aseveremercy | Good morning! I have a really annoying error: I can't run any shell scripts from a cdrom -- for example: /media/cdrom0# sh install_unix.sh produces "install_unix.sh: /media/cdrom0/unix/install: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" |
| 12:14.50 | jatt | permissions... |
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| 12:15.46 | aseveremercy | jatt -- yep -- why, this is a matlab cd -- i used it to successfully install on fedora |
| 12:16.05 | aseveremercy | i am running as root |
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| 12:16.41 | Eclipser | meh |
| 12:16.48 | Eclipser | iceweasel doesn't like mplayerplugin... |
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| 12:22.11 | Coke | Hello. Is there some nifty thing like "dict", but for translating between different languages. Like searching with dict using an english word and getting spanish results. |
| 12:22.20 | tarzeau | Coke: yes there is |
| 12:22.59 | Coke | tarzeau: what's the name of it? |
| 12:23.16 | tarzeau | Coke: also dict, but other data |
| 12:23.22 | tarzeau | Coke: see apt-cache search freedict |
| 12:23.25 | mick_home | Coke: there are a few utils like that, i'll be damned if i can remmber - there is a FF extension where you righ click and get the translated text |
| 12:23.28 | tarzeau | Coke: you can run your own dict server |
| 12:23.50 | Coke | tarzeau: hm. yeah. that is cool. |
| 12:24.08 | Coke | tarzeau: not running the own server, but the fact that dict does seem to have spa-eng dictionaries. |
| 12:24.17 | aseveremercy | hello -- does anyone have a min to help me with a simple permissions question? |
| 12:26.44 | Coke | tarzeau: oh. a local dictd is required to access local dictionaries. |
| 12:26.53 | Coke | too bad freedict.org doesn't have language dicts. |
| 12:27.00 | aseveremercy | sh -c /media/cdrom0/install_unix.sh produces: sh: /media/cdrom0/install_unix.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied -- any thoughts? |
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| 12:27.41 | tarzeau | Coke: it does |
| 12:27.49 | tarzeau | Coke: you just need the right parameters for dict |
| 12:28.05 | Coke | tarzeau: you probably need to specify a translation db. |
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| 12:29.52 | enouf | Coke using KDE or Gnome? |
| 12:29.57 | Coke | nope. |
| 12:30.16 | enouf | ok .. Konqui has that built in ... as a plugin I guess |
| 12:30.31 | Coke | x-terminal. I don't have the time nor strength to move my hands from the keyboard to the mouse. :) |
| 12:30.54 | enouf | I gear that |
| 12:31.01 | enouf | hear* even |
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| 12:31.50 | Coke | I'm lazy. Which is why I started using Debian in the first place. Hehe. |
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| 12:36.30 | Roey | hi |
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| 12:37.08 | earthian | hello |
| 12:37.33 | newbie | hello |
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| 12:38.05 | Roey | how do I show the changes given the name of an installed package? apt-listchanges only seems to work at install-time, but I want to list changes of candidate versions that I haven't upgraded to yet, or I want to list changes in the package I just installed relative to the previous version of the package. |
| 12:38.08 | earthian | i get this error when trying to mount a ftp site using curlftpfs package: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 12:38.13 | earthian | am I missing something? |
| 12:38.29 | blondie | you're missing fuse presumably |
| 12:38.53 | earthian | how do i enable it? i think fuse should be in the kernel? :S |
| 12:39.18 | blondie | modprobe fuse |
| 12:39.32 | earthian | ok |
| 12:40.08 | earthian | i have now " curlftpfs on /mnt type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev) " |
| 12:40.19 | earthian | mounted a ftp site |
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| 12:40.44 | earthian | however when i do " ls /mnt " my terminal stops responding :o |
| 12:40.57 | Quinn_Storm | earthian: sounds like your net link is just slow |
| 12:40.58 | lastnode_ | im having problems setting Locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales, it says it cant set "C" |
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| 12:41.20 | blondie | earthian: maybe it's being really slow |
| 12:41.44 | earthian | yes.. it was slow but it returned no file list :S |
| 12:41.47 | earthian | hm |
| 12:42.40 | lastnode_ | (this is a deboostrapped sid system btw) |
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| 12:42.56 | jfg2 | hi everybody |
| 12:42.59 | messju | hi, i want to upgrade a 2.4.x kernel on a sarge-system to a 2.6.x one. I get the error: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686: Depends: initramfs-tools (>= 0.53) but it is not going to be installed or yaird (>= 0.0.12-8) but it is not installable or linux-initramfs-tool |
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| 12:43.38 | jfg2 | messju > what 's you install method ? |
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| 12:43.59 | cydork | messju: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:44.27 | messju | jfg2: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 12:44.30 | messju | cydork: thanks :) |
| 12:45.07 | jfg2 | ok |
| 12:46.18 | jfg2 | hi |
| 12:46.28 | jfg2 | i need to compile a 2.2 kernel from my debian etch |
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| 12:46.37 | jfg2 | i tried to cross-compile with crosstools |
| 12:46.54 | jfg2 | because i thought it was my glibC version who was too recent |
| 12:47.02 | jfg2 | but i have always the same errors |
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| 12:47.14 | jfg2 | even if i use gcc-2.95 or gcc272 |
| 12:47.18 | jfg2 | or any other version |
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| 12:48.01 | jfg2 | i thought it was a problem with the ocnfiguration |
| 12:48.10 | jfg2 | but i tried many different config |
| 12:48.11 | LinuxHelp | Hi, um I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade on testing, and I got more or less this error, and then I tried the failing package with dpkg and I got this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/WBU6By60.html I'm not sure what to do next. |
| 12:48.21 | jfg2 | and it don't help |
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| 12:51.22 | incorrect | on the importance of backwards compatibility, didn't my bash script i wrote 10 years ago still work today? |
| 12:51.33 | LinuxHelp | I mean I know I caused the error by screwing with the files in that directory... but still |
| 12:52.03 | vezult | LinuxHelp: err, then unscrew with them, and it might work. |
| 12:53.02 | LinuxHelp | vezult, I screwed them up ages ago. I have absolutely no idea how to unscrew them. |
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| 12:53.32 | LinuxHelp | vezult, I was hoping dpkg would know |
| 12:54.16 | cydork | LinuxHelp: what did you do exactly? |
| 12:54.29 | killerstorm | helo. i'm installing php5 on a sarge that was not updated for a long time, thus it wants me to update the kernel. |
| 12:55.03 | cydork | killerstorm: sarge doesn't have php5.. are you sure you are running sarge? |
| 12:55.34 | abhinay | the text is not comming in audacity , i see only plane buttons instead, why ? |
| 12:56.00 | killerstorm | when it comes to the point when it wants to remove my current kernel, it suggests that i'd better don't, and i agree with it. but installer appears to think that it's critical failure and refuses further installation process. wtf? |
| 12:56.26 | LinuxHelp | cydork, I know I was trying to get OpenGL working, and I succeeded. But somehow that involved deleting the libglx file? Here |
| 12:56.35 | LinuxHelp | is what the directory looks like now : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/RvAsb696.html |
| 12:56.36 | killerstorm | well, it was sarge when it was unstable, so maybe it's pulling packages from some newer releases |
| 12:57.10 | cydork | LinuxHelp: purge it and reinstall.. |
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| 12:57.23 | cydork | killerstorm: check your sources.list. |
| 12:57.28 | newbie | hello |
| 12:57.28 | LinuxHelp | cydork, Is it possible to purge without deleting dependencies? |
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| 12:58.21 | LinuxHelp | cydork, perhaps you could type the command I would need? |
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| 12:58.31 | newbie | i would like to know what do you think about my document: http://oltrelinux.com/forums/read.php?f=622&i=121&t=121 |
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| 12:59.17 | killerstorm | cydork: my question was not about particular release, i'd like to know why it thinks that refuse to delete current kernel is a critical fault. as i remember it lives with different kernels quite well.. |
| 12:59.19 | cydork | LinuxHelp: you cant using apt-get.. |
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| 12:59.34 | cydork | killerstorm: you cant remove running kernel.. |
| 12:59.54 | jindal | hullo all |
| 13:00.22 | dimir | Hujlo! |
| 13:00.24 | killerstorm | cydork: ok, but cannot it leave kernel where it is and install new side-by-side? just ignore that error.. |
| 13:00.36 | LinuxHelp | cydork, I'm using dpkg, at least for this package |
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| 13:00.50 | user__ | hello, how does one mount initrd.gz ? |
| 13:01.08 | user__ | I tried mount -o loop -t ext2 foo bar |
| 13:01.11 | user__ | but no go |
| 13:01.11 | cydork | killerstorm: that might be becoz of the meta-package. |
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| 13:03.29 | dimir | user__: -t cramfs |
| 13:03.44 | jindal | am facing problem with X ((EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.) using xen-3.0.3-1-i386.gz + vmlinuz-2.6.18-2-xen-686 but is working fine with vmlinuz-2.6.18-2-686....... what should i do? |
| 13:04.13 | user__ | dimir, VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev loop0. |
| 13:04.13 | user__ | VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev loop0. |
| 13:04.13 | user__ | cramfs: wrong magic |
| 13:04.43 | dimir | user__: give me the full command line. |
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| 13:05.03 | user__ | dimir, fixed it gzip -dc initrd.gz | cpio -id |
| 13:05.11 | user__ | then i'll repack |
| 13:05.14 | user__ | thnx anyway |
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| 13:06.19 | badcfe | i have this problem of SATA link down in startup when i boot installation of debian from cd. then the cd cannot be mounted. i now have only ide and have desactivated SATA in bios. i have the same problem. kernel is 2.6.18. i try the workaround mentioned under Errata on the debian site, same problem. it only works when i install a debian with kernel 2.6.19rc1 backported. now comes the question... |
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| 13:06.33 | Skiver | !key |
| 13:06.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, key is gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 13:06.36 | killerstorm | cydork: you were right, i've deleted it, and it booted into a grub command line.. luckily i'm on vmware, so i can revert if i'll not be able to fix it.. |
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| 13:07.18 | LinuxHelp | cydork, I just purged the package, and then dpkg -i'ed it and it still gives me the same error. I mean the purge even deleted the relevant directory |
| 13:07.37 | lastnode | LinuxHelp: what package is this? |
| 13:07.48 | badcfe | question: on the running debian backport installation, could i install a debian package containing kernel 2.6.18 so that i get a stable kernel. how could i from there overcome the sata problem? |
| 13:08.00 | badcfe | hints? anyone know this problem? |
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| 13:08.09 | LinuxHelp | lastnode, xserver-xorg-core |
| 13:08.20 | lastnode | LinuxHelp: running sarge or etch? |
| 13:08.27 | LinuxHelp | lastnode, testing? |
| 13:08.40 | lastnode | LinuxHelp: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 13:08.55 | LinuxHelp | lastnode, how do you mean? |
| 13:08.58 | badcfe | anyone can help me with this issue? |
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| 13:09.14 | lastnode | LinuxHelp: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-core |
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| 13:09.30 | dorel__ | stew: you around? |
| 13:09.57 | LinuxHelp | lastnode, I've purged it already: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg-core is not installed |
| 13:09.59 | hanz | does someone uses rtorrent? |
| 13:10.06 | LinuxHelp | lastnode, and it wont install |
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| 13:10.08 | Ronin | hanz: some do some dont |
| 13:10.08 | cydork | dorel__: hiya. |
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| 13:10.28 | dorel__ | cydork: hey |
| 13:10.35 | lastnode | LinuxHelp: im in CLI atm, or id help you out. sorry :( |
| 13:10.47 | dorel__ | cydork: how's it going with asterisk? |
| 13:11.55 | muhKuh | if i get this right, rights management in linux is done via ids, right? so it should be fine to jsut copy the users table and all will be fine - same withthe groups? which files do i need to copy to the new box? |
| 13:12.09 | cydork | dorel__: na not started yet :P |
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| 13:12.35 | dorel__ | cydork: hehe ok |
| 13:12.57 | snail | muhKuh: /etc/{password|shadow|groups} |
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| 13:13.21 | snail | muhKuh: that assumes that you've copied the data over without breaking ownership |
| 13:13.23 | muhKuh | nice snail, so it really works that way |
| 13:13.50 | snail | muhKuh: depending on how you manage your users, but normally yes |
| 13:14.00 | snail | muhKuh: doesn't work across distros |
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| 13:14.03 | muhKuh | snail i intend to - gonna tar it and copy it over to an ftp |
| 13:14.15 | snail | muhKuh: doesn't work across varieties of unix |
| 13:14.22 | muhKuh | same distro |
| 13:14.28 | dorel__ | cydork: what are you up to these days? |
| 13:14.49 | cydork | dorel__: work , work and some more work.. :) |
| 13:14.53 | snail | muhKuh: ok, make sure you give tar the options to presrve ownership and rights info. |
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| 13:15.02 | muhKuh | ok, will do |
| 13:15.21 | muhKuh | thanks |
| 13:15.50 | dorel__ | cydork: anything interesting? :) |
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| 13:16.25 | cydork | dorel__: well broke off with my gf, but that wasn't that interesting :P |
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| 13:17.35 | RoyK | hi. what's this minimal network install cd called? not the usual network install that includes the installer, but the _minimal_ one? |
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| 13:18.07 | cydork | RoyK: buissness card? |
| 13:18.41 | RoyK | there's one even smaller |
| 13:19.05 | RoyK | iirc |
| 13:19.26 | RoyK | one that doesn't need access to the cdrom after bootup, just the ram drive |
| 13:19.52 | cydork | RoyK: floppy? :P |
| 13:19.53 | muhKuh | does anyone know how to make the funktion keys work in mc or mcedit when inside screen? or how to be able to scroll back the console output when inside screen? |
| 13:20.04 | RoyK | cydork: it was a cd image..... |
| 13:21.30 | cydork | RoyK: the smallest is miniiso i guess.. |
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| 13:24.43 | stew | peterS: yes. its all covered in the rosegarden FAQ and in the README.Debian |
| 13:24.55 | stew | peterS: aiui 2.6.18 made things worse |
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| 13:28.41 | peterS | stew: I see |
| 13:28.41 | stew | dorel__: sorta |
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| 13:29.07 | Schalken | after a fresh debian isntallation what is the quickest way to burn a cd iso??? |
| 13:29.19 | blondie | apt-get install cdrecord |
| 13:29.25 | jatt | ? |
| 13:29.29 | blondie | cdrecord dev=/dev/cdr image.iso |
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| 13:30.20 | jatt | cdrecord - Dummy package for transition to wodim |
| 13:30.24 | jatt | maybe you mean wodim? |
| 13:30.56 | blondie | no I mean cdrecord |
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| 13:31.37 | jatt | cdrecord is just a symlink to wodim |
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| 13:32.13 | blondie | denied |
| 13:32.16 | cahoot | jatt: presuming etch? |
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| 13:32.30 | blondie | obviously you're using sarge, and on there it is not. |
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| 13:33.14 | Surmama | Hi :) The guys of #kde sent me. I have no menu in my KDE-Control Center. They said it is a know Debian-Bug. What do I have to do? |
| 13:33.20 | ofer1 | is 127.0.0.0/8 == 127.0.0.* ? |
| 13:33.29 | peterS | Surmama: aptitude install menu |
| 13:33.37 | peterS | ofer1: 127.*.*.* |
| 13:33.40 | Surmama | ofer0: No, 127.0.0.0/24 is |
| 13:33.57 | ofer1 | oh, the bit count is from the left |
| 13:33.58 | ofer1 | thanks |
| 13:34.05 | peterS | correct |
| 13:35.05 | Surmama | peterS: Do I have to restart X or something like that after installing `menu'? |
| 13:35.26 | Surmama | Why am I even asking? I'll just try |
| 13:35.28 | peterS | Surmama: with KDE, I don't believe so. but it generates menus in the background so it may take a couple minutes for it to finish doing so |
| 13:35.28 | Surmama | brb |
| 13:35.37 | Surmama | Ah okay |
| 13:35.38 | Surmama | thanks |
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| 13:36.38 | Surmama | Aww, maybe I was not precise: I did not mean the menu like File->Close Menu, but the tree-view on the left of the control center |
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| 13:36.42 | Surmama | That one is empty |
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| 13:37.25 | peterS | Surmama: the debian menu system generates a menu for the KDE 'start menu' gear-like icon. At least, it is supposed to do that. is that what you're asking about? I don't use KDE so I can't be sure of this either |
| 13:37.41 | muhKuh | does anyone know how to make the funktion keys work in mc or mcedit when inside screen? or how to be able to scroll back the console output when inside screen? |
| 13:38.27 | tralala | muhKuh, for scrolling back use the copy mode - ctrl_a+esc |
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| 13:39.58 | muhKuh | thx tralala - u know the rest too maybe? |
| 13:40.16 | tralala | no, sorry |
| 13:40.36 | killerstorm | i've installed sarge when it was unstable, and now i want to update it. but apitude offers something crazy: it wants to remove linux-image package. system is not bootable after removing it. what can i do with it? |
| 13:41.00 | Skiver | is there cdrecord in etch ? |
| 13:41.12 | cahoot | Skiver: wodim |
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| 13:41.20 | peterS | Skiver: have you looked for it? |
| 13:41.32 | peterS | Skiver: hint: try 'apt-cache show cdrecord' |
| 13:41.33 | tralala | killerstorm, this will generally not work good enough. Just install sarge from scratch. |
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| 13:42.58 | killerstorm | and updating to etch won't be easy too? |
| 13:43.24 | dorel__ | stew: have you dealt with ultramonkey before? |
| 13:44.31 | rgsteele | killerstorm: Doing a major OS upgrade (e.g., Sarge->Etch) isn't difficult, as long as you plan it out well. |
| 13:44.41 | tralala | killerstorm, you can't upgrade sid (well maybe you can to experimental). Going back is called downgrading and does not work due to many reasons. |
| 13:45.11 | lastnode1 | killerstorm: think of it as a ladder, you're on the top rung. |
| 13:45.22 | stew | dorel__: i've set stuff up using their guides before |
| 13:46.23 | dorel__ | stew: i found the guides kinda messy actually, couldn't get how it actually works. in any way, ultramonkey is just a meta-package for the other daemons, right? |
| 13:47.14 | stew | dorel__: oh, i don't know of any meta-package |
| 13:47.32 | dorel__ | stew: well is there an ultramonkey daemon or something like that? |
| 13:47.55 | MatBoy | cydork, are you clean again ? |
| 13:47.57 | dorel__ | stew: cause as far as i can see im configuring other daemons like ha, lvs, ipvs, etc... |
| 13:48.00 | stew | dorel__: not that i know of, the daemons involved are ldirectord and heartbeat |
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| 13:48.08 | dorel__ | stew: right. |
| 13:48.38 | dorel__ | stew: when you set it up was it with masq/ipip or gate? |
| 13:48.51 | Schalken | was debian ever intended to be usable by the common user on the desktop? |
| 13:48.57 | stew | i've done both masq and gate |
| 13:49.01 | stew | dorel__: ^ |
| 13:49.19 | lastnode1 | Schalken: what kind of question is that? :-) Go ask /. |
| 13:49.36 | rgsteele | Schalken: I'm pretty sure they created Ubuntu for that |
| 13:49.37 | killerstorm | hmm, so what should i try if i want php5 on that old sarge? what should i point source.list to? |
| 13:49.45 | rgsteele | Schalken: But, I run KDE over Debian at home, no problems. |
| 13:49.47 | Schalken | rgsteele: so i thought... |
| 13:49.53 | cahoot | Schalken: there are proponents of a no answer there |
| 13:49.53 | Ronin | rgsteele: funny works nicely here as a desktop, wifes quite fond of it |
| 13:50.13 | rgsteele | Ronin: Hmm? |
| 13:50.34 | tralala | Schalken, debian is more oriented towards the technical user. |
| 13:50.36 | rgsteele | Ronin: I use Debian/KDE at home for my desktop, if you're referring to my comment about Ubuntu |
| 13:50.49 | stew | dorel__: there is also #linux-ha on this network, btw |
| 13:51.10 | dorel__ | stew: i'm asking cause i'm wondering if there's a performance hit when using masq |
| 13:51.23 | dorel__ | stew: ahh thanks for that, ill join. |
| 13:51.25 | tralala | Ronin, did "wife" installed it and set it up on her own? |
| 13:51.29 | jindal | cydork, did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. but alas same errors ...... (startx shows an error No Bios Modes found ** which is not logged in xorg.0.log |
| 13:51.36 | Ronin | having said that it makes an excellent desktop i see the irony in sending a friend to ubuntu this morning |
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| 13:51.50 | Surmama_ | Reboot didn't help either :-/ |
| 13:52.01 | cjari | is there some list of supported hardware by debian? |
| 13:52.07 | tralala | Surmama_, is this sarge? |
| 13:52.18 | Surmama_ | It's etch |
| 13:52.51 | tralala | Surmama_, recent install? |
| 13:52.55 | Schalken | because i just installed debina with kde on here and turns out to be apretty horrible experience, after enduring the cryptic installtion you need CLI experience to install kde in the first place, then to fund out after 4 hrs of netisnt download that sound doesnt work, everything is broken and gui elements run horribly, horribly slow, i try to burn my kubuntu disk again to find when i install and start k3b it says '5 system configura |
| 13:53.06 | Surmama_ | tralala: Yeah, 2 days ago |
| 13:53.09 | rgsteele | Ronin: Well, Ubuntu tends to be less raw than Debian, from what I've seen/heard. If someone's having problems dealing with Debian, get them used to Ubuntu first, so they can get acquainted with a Debian-based distro, and then migrate to Debian |
| 13:53.12 | Ronin | rgsteele: i installed it, wasn't too bad, couple of hickups but nothing some reading couldn't solve |
| 13:53.26 | Ronin | rgsteele: that was my plan actually :) |
| 13:53.27 | rgsteele | Ronin: Not everybody likes this "reading" you speak of ;) |
| 13:53.49 | Ronin | rgsteele: im starting to think most folks can't read ;) |
| 13:54.17 | Schalken | i can only hope debian isnt as hard to uninstall as it was to install |
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| 13:54.38 | Schalken | im going to try install kubuntu again cyas |
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| 13:54.47 | Ronin | Schalken: its not that bad please |
| 13:54.51 | rgsteele | Ronin: Agreed. Well, nowadays people expect to be spoon-fed... |
| 13:54.53 | Surmama_ | WTH just happend? Hope I didn't miss a suggestion |
| 13:55.05 | stew | dorel__: direct routing is the fastest iirc, but i don't think the difference is noticable for most applications |
| 13:55.17 | tralala | Surmama_, checked the bts yet? |
| 13:55.22 | rgsteele | Schalken: What were your installation issues? You might be better off letting us help you, instead of throwing in the towel. |
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| 13:55.35 | Surmama_ | tralala: bts? |
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| 13:55.53 | tralala | Surmama_, you run testing and you don't know what bts is?! |
| 13:56.04 | tralala | !bts |
| 13:56.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:56.04 | rgsteele | Meh, some people just aren't cut out for putting in a little work |
| 13:56.23 | Surmama_ | tralala: Sorry, nope |
| 13:56.31 | rgsteele | Ronin: Let's place bets on whether or not he's in #windows yet |
| 13:56.33 | rgsteele | :) |
| 13:56.38 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:56.43 | tralala | Surmama_, well, check it out - dpkg just shared it with us |
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| 13:56.54 | rgsteele | !beer |
| 13:56.55 | dpkg | methinks beer is liquid gold mate |
| 13:57.05 | jatt | is the debian security update for this vulnerability already out? |
| 13:57.05 | jatt | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/20978 |
| 13:57.20 | tralala | some people are really better off running ubuntu or even windows |
| 13:57.22 | Surmama_ | aw, now i get it, of course I know the bug tracking system.. the abbreviation just didn't trigger anything ;) |
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| 13:57.57 | Surmama_ | Buty I did not look there yet, so thanks |
| 13:57.59 | jatt | ok I found it, its already patched in debian, good |
| 13:58.08 | Ronin | tralala: id settle for them running ubunto or any linux distro but you're right some folks are just better suited to windows |
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| 13:59.24 | Dr-Linux|work | how to unstall current apache version? |
| 14:00.01 | tralala | Dr-Linux|work, man aptitude |
| 14:00.04 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: apt-get remove apache-common or apache2-common |
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| 14:00.24 | Ronin | Dr-Linux|work: uninstall or install and you made a typo? |
| 14:00.34 | Dr-Linux|work | uninstall |
| 14:01.01 | zamuro | apt-get remove --purge httpd |
| 14:01.25 | rgsteele | Beware of --purge, and it's apt-get remove apache, not httpd |
| 14:01.58 | zamuro | Well... never installed apache from apt-get, so I dunno :P |
| 14:02.02 | rgsteele | purge will nix your config files |
| 14:02.15 | vaq | Hello im trying to install the NVIDIA driver but im getting this error: nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module |
| 14:02.33 | rgsteele | I don't like aptitude nearly as much as I like the command line apt tools |
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| 14:03.39 | Dr-Linux|work | Ronin: how to forcefuly uinstall? |
| 14:03.48 | Dr-Linux|work | actually i know RHEL and FC .. but not debian |
| 14:03.50 | tralala | rgsteele, you need to learn it in order to love it. It's command line as well. |
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| 14:04.03 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: forcefully? why do you want to? |
| 14:04.34 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: bcoz i' unstalling apache and it says .. there are vchost and .. blah blah |
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| 14:04.52 | Dr-Linux|work | vhcs-gui: Depends: vhcs (= 2.4.7.1-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:04.52 | Dr-Linux|work | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 14:04.56 | rgsteele | tralala: Yeah, but it's not quite as raw as apt-[get,cache,etc] |
| 14:05.06 | rgsteele | I like that power |
| 14:05.26 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 14:05.45 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: are you intending to also remove vhcs? |
| 14:05.56 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: correct |
| 14:06.07 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: apt-get remove vhcs-gui |
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| 14:06.51 | Dr-Linux|work | cool |
| 14:06.53 | Dr-Linux|work | leme |
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| 14:07.44 | Dr-Linux|work | why debain dir struction is so different then other distros huh |
| 14:08.11 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 14:08.28 | Dr-Linux|work | /msg dpkg fhs |
| 14:08.37 | stew | dpkg: tell Dr-Linux|work about fhs |
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| 14:09.22 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: debian should be following the fhs to the letter. however your vhcs packages are unofficial and therefore may not by policy compliant |
| 14:09.41 | Surmama_ | tralala: So, I found 2 bugs, which describe my problem, both refer to an kdelibs-update Version 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-4, I have only 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-3 installable?! Which Debian-Source am I supposed to use? (right now I'm usin ftp.debian.org) |
| 14:10.00 | Dr-Linux|work | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:10.01 | Dr-Linux|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.01 | Dr-Linux|work | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 14:10.04 | Dr-Linux|work | :( |
| 14:10.08 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: ok sorry |
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| 14:10.55 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend to get all of this sorted out |
| 14:10.58 | tralala | Surmama_, perhaps it's still in sid. When you are using testing you are expected to be able to solve such problems on your own. |
| 14:11.07 | Surmama_ | Oh, maybe the new libs are just not availaible for AMD 64 |
| 14:11.30 | PuckCh | hi all... anyone using compiz or beryl on debian ? |
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| 14:11.38 | Surmama_ | tralala: I thought I could. And I will ;) And If I have to compile KDE myseld, I will ;) |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | PuckCh: maybe .. why? |
| 14:12.16 | tralala | Surmama_, heh, good luck ;) |
| 14:12.20 | stew | PuckCh: popcon.debian.org would tell you about compiz but not about beryl since its not yet in debian |
| 14:12.38 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: how to ensure that apache is sucessfully gone? |
| 14:13.02 | Dr-Linux|work | like in RH "rpm -qa | grep httpd |
| 14:13.03 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: apt-get remove apache-common apache2-common |
| 14:13.04 | tralala | where are all the masters who recommend etch to newbies now?! |
| 14:13.13 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: i have done that |
| 14:13.20 | PuckCh | abrotman: because I can start it, but nothing come on the screen |
| 14:13.41 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: apt-cache policy apache2-common apache-common | grep Installed ; or "dpkg -l apache2-common apache-common" or "dpkg -l | grep apache" |
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| 14:13.59 | PuckCh | stew: right. I'm trying compiz from debian package, and beryl from downloaded packages |
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| 14:16.00 | PuckCh | abrotman: in fact, when I'm starting compiz, it starts, and all the windows disapear (it just remain the wallpaper) :( |
| 14:16.22 | stew | PuckCh: how are you starting it? |
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| 14:17.25 | PuckCh | stew: I log in gnome, with my default window manager (enlightement .16), then killall enlightenment and compiz --replace |
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| 14:18.02 | stew | PuckCh: i don't think there is any reason to killall enlightenment first |
| 14:18.20 | PuckCh | stew: will try without... |
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| 14:19.23 | PuckCh | stew: it says "another window manager is running", and don't start |
| 14:19.47 | PuckCh | stew: this is why I'm killing it before |
| 14:20.06 | Azar | good day honorables, is there a way.. I mean is the etch rc1 available for order so I could test the installer? I am not handy with downloading/burning |
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| 14:22.28 | PuckCh | stew: compiz is making the same problem on my debian/i686 and my debian/amd64 computers |
| 14:22.54 | PuckCh | stew: same thing with beryl |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | Azar: check debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:24.39 | stew | PuckCh: sounds like enligtenment doesn't support being replaced |
| 14:24.45 | Azar | thanks, abrotman |
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| 14:25.23 | PuckCh | stew: I have just tryed with another wm (sawfish)... same error |
| 14:25.24 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: i have uninstall all depend... etc with -f .. but still it's not being installed :S |
| 14:25.41 | Dr-Linux|work | and says same stuff: |
| 14:25.41 | Dr-Linux|work | vhcs-daemon: Depends: vhcs (= 2.4.7.1-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:25.41 | Dr-Linux|work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.00 | abrotman | !info vhcs etch |
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| 14:26.18 | Dr-Linux|work | !info vhcs etch |
| 14:26.29 | abrotman | vhcs isn't in debian ? |
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| 14:26.42 | Roey | Mr. Brotman. |
| 14:26.45 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:26.46 | Surmama | Damn, I just installed the nw libraries, rebooted, and there is still no menu in the kcontrol |
| 14:26.49 | Roey | abrotman: hey hey |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | hi roey |
| 14:27.46 | Roey | abrotman: do you package at all for debian |
| 14:27.59 | abrotman | Roey: i'm not allowed |
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| 14:28.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:28.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:30.55 | SpeedyG_ | why cant I change my nickname ? |
| 14:31.08 | SpeedyG_ | stupid irssi :( |
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| 14:32.15 | Azar | wow 20CDs... I guess as with woody I only need the 1st CD |
| 14:32.28 | george | SpeedyG: looks to me like you changed your nick |
| 14:32.39 | george | operator error? |
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| 14:33.00 | george | Azar: you still don't need any cds |
| 14:33.13 | george | stress "need" |
| 14:33.15 | SpeedyG | george: nope, I was joined in a moderated channel |
| 14:33.16 | Azar | george, I am not handy with downloading/burning |
| 14:33.30 | SpeedyG | :/ |
| 14:33.45 | george | SpeedyG: oh, that'll do it |
| 14:33.47 | widrone | Azar: Get a netinstall cd, and download only the packages you need/install. |
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| 14:34.11 | widrone | Azar: If the machine you are installing it to has some sort of net connection that is =) |
| 14:34.19 | george | Azar: so the fact you don't need any cds is a good thing, yes? :) |
| 14:34.53 | muhKuh | does anyone know how to make the funktion keys work in mc or mcedit when inside screen? |
| 14:34.55 | Azar | I would guess so... well I can allways upgrade from Sarge, but I want to see how is the installer |
| 14:35.09 | george | you don't download them, apt-get does |
| 14:35.19 | badcfe | whats the best to use for a debian install when it comes to SCSI? |
| 14:35.22 | george | it's fine, how are you? :) |
| 14:35.30 | Azar | george, I want to see the installer |
| 14:35.36 | badcfe | SCSI 64 pins or SCSI 68 pins ? |
| 14:35.56 | cydork | Azar: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html :) |
| 14:35.58 | george | badcfe: define "use" |
| 14:36.14 | Dr-Linux|work | stew: now i'm installing apache it's asking some option on blue screen, which one should i select for the fresh apache version? |
| 14:36.14 | widrone | Azar: If you are hungry for an install experience, why not test etch rc1 of the debian inataller. You get to bug test too. |
| 14:36.16 | george | and define "best" |
| 14:36.23 | badcfe | george: for production server |
| 14:36.30 | Azar | widrone: that is exactly what I wanted |
| 14:36.39 | george | so what exactly are you asking? |
| 14:36.48 | Azar | I will order the CDs... hopefully they come with rc1 |
| 14:37.07 | widrone | Azar: Ah, sorry just got in and joined the fray. Anything more I can help with? You finding it ok? |
| 14:37.23 | badcfe | i have option when it comes to the machine ill buy when it comes to scsi |
| 14:37.32 | Azar | yep it seems only abexia has the etch CDs |
| 14:37.37 | widrone | Azar: Ah, oh. No way to download and burn have you? |
| 14:38.06 | Azar | widrone: I do not know how ... well I could download, but don't know how to make a CD |
| 14:38.11 | george | you can probably get an etch netinst |
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| 14:38.26 | badcfe | george: scsi 64 pins or 68 pins, or is both options equally good? |
| 14:38.44 | george | well there's also 80 pin |
| 14:39.19 | george | I'd go with whatever is most common so that you can replace drives if you have to |
| 14:40.10 | widrone | Azar: Os youre on now? Debian? You got a burner in there? |
| 14:40.23 | stew | Dr-Linux|work: you are being too vague for me to be able to answer |
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| 14:42.39 | Azar | widrone, I am on Sarge (upgraded from Woody because the Sarge installer made faces at me) |
| 14:42.53 | DoppleGanger | he he |
| 14:43.39 | Azar | I am mad curious about the Etch installer so that why I am ordering to see what comes out from that installer CD |
| 14:45.02 | george | badcfe: so, to summarize my definition question earlier, when you said "use" you were asking about which scsi controller card to use |
| 14:45.03 | Azar | gotta see if I can get to keep my favorite installation (minimal), lilo and try xorg |
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| 14:45.23 | george | I'm still unclear about what you mean by "best" |
| 14:45.46 | george | Azar: do you have a burner? |
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| 14:45.59 | Azar | george: no I never had or learned to use |
| 14:46.02 | DogWater | Anyone know of any fiber channel controllers that work out of the box with debian? |
| 14:46.21 | george | so you physically cannot burn |
| 14:46.39 | Azar | I only know how to mount the cd once I got it to play a disk |
| 14:46.57 | Azar | george: no... no idea how |
| 14:48.07 | george | DogWater: fiber channel cards are instances of hardware. kernels support hardware. so: the answer to your question lies in what hardware a kernel -does- support (in the case you use a precompiled kernel) or -can- support (in the case you build your own kernel) |
| 14:48.33 | DogWater | erm, my question was pretty much related to what is supported by the 'spiffy specific, and hard to modify' debian kernel |
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| 14:48.58 | george | DogWater: you might be able to download its config file |
| 14:49.15 | DogWater | yeah, i just thought someone in here may be using fiber channel... |
| 14:49.21 | DogWater | and would have first party knowledge. |
| 14:49.39 | george | you would have first-party knowledge if you do the work :) |
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| 14:50.27 | george | two possibilities... either someone here -knows- directly, or you have to do some work to find out :) |
| 14:50.27 | DogWater | touche little bits of light flying through the internet.. touche |
| 14:50.54 | DogWater | well, i checked the hardware compatability howto, and debian's site and there is no mention to the built in drivers/modules... |
| 14:50.57 | george | so, wording it politely, if you don't find out here, you have other options |
| 14:51.29 | george | are you planning to buy a fiber card? or do you already have one? |
| 14:51.49 | DogWater | i need 3 of them and a switch to connect to our san |
| 14:51.53 | LinuxHelp | Hi, I'm having trouble with Debian Testing: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uWDybP15.html |
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| 14:52.45 | george | DogWater: ok, I'm a little confused... "fiber channel" meaning disk controller? or network card that uses fiber? |
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| 14:53.20 | DogWater | Fiber channel meaning a card which will allow diskless booting (not pxe) from volumes mounted on a SAN |
| 14:53.27 | DogWater | so, thats a disk controller. |
| 14:53.48 | george | and it uses fiber going to that switch? |
| 14:53.56 | DogWater | yeup |
| 14:54.00 | widrone | Azar: Just guessing someone here can help you to get it burned. |
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| 14:54.13 | cy_` | hello |
| 14:54.25 | george | widrone: question being "does he have a cd burner" tho :) |
| 14:54.43 | Azar | I don't have a burner |
| 14:54.55 | tarzeau | any idea why the copyright/changelog links don't work anymore? http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/schism/current/copyright |
| 14:54.55 | george | I mean someone could burn a netinst and mail it to him |
| 14:55.08 | Azar | :) |
| 14:55.11 | cy_` | i have a freshly installed debian etch when logging in via ssh it does not *source* the .bashrc or .bash_profile in my home directory.. do i have to activate that in the /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
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| 14:55.21 | waterdog | sorry ;-) |
| 14:55.24 | Azar | hi mr tarzeau |
| 14:55.27 | waterdog | just uninstalled a vpn network driver |
| 14:55.33 | waterdog | kicked me off the ole net! |
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| 14:55.43 | widrone | george: Good call, guess were stumped then. |
| 14:55.52 | glitch- | i installed webmin..binded ips..installed apache mysql proftpd..then when i was instaling vhcs which is free webhosting panel it all messed up..=/ anyone?i would highly appreciate |
| 14:56.10 | RandomTask | Hello ... I was wondering if i am creating an archive of object files using ar ... can i add another archive to an archive? |
| 14:56.10 | widrone | Azar: Got any rl friends with a burner then? |
| 14:56.12 | Azar | at least I get to contribute more with ordering the CD |
| 14:56.22 | waterdog | Im pretty sure the qlogic cards will work |
| 14:56.26 | waterdog | as they're pretty much the standard |
| 14:56.34 | waterdog | i just wanted to see if anyone had any first hand knowledge, thanks george. |
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| 14:57.25 | george | waterdog: the extent of my first-hand knowledge, is to say that it's -good- you're doing research before selecting and buying the hardware!! |
| 14:57.45 | george | other than that I know how to search for things :) |
| 14:58.02 | waterdog | i just dont mean to bother you guys we just run 11 different linux distros here so its kind of hard to keep track of what does what :D |
| 14:58.28 | Ronin | waterdog: 11? seriously? wow talk about making things more complicated then necessary |
| 14:58.29 | george | why so many different dists? |
| 14:58.43 | waterdog | Hosting Company |
| 14:58.47 | waterdog | some people like the redhat |
| 14:58.48 | george | ahh |
| 14:58.50 | waterdog | some people like the gentoo |
| 14:58.54 | waterdog | noone likes suse |
| 14:58.56 | waterdog | but.. yea |
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| 14:58.58 | george | heh |
| 14:59.02 | tralala | bwahahaha |
| 14:59.08 | widrone | Azar: Not sure what version you get thu, but there is always a lug around that can maybe help you with a fresh copy. |
| 14:59.12 | tralala | Microsoft likes SuSe |
| 14:59.23 | waterdog | and then we do fedora, centos, debian, freebsd, knoppix live cds... |
| 14:59.29 | waterdog | different versions of each |
| 14:59.32 | waterdog | 3,4, 5 |
| 14:59.37 | waterdog | deb 3, deb 3.1 |
| 14:59.48 | waterdog | pretty fun |
| 14:59.49 | Azar | widrone: once I get Etch installed, (the minimal) I can allways get updates via aptitude, right? |
| 15:00.27 | Azar | the main is that I want to test the installer, if it does not go my way, I can use dist-upgrade from SArge |
| 15:00.33 | george | do you use xen? or which vserver tech? how is ram handled? |
| 15:00.42 | widrone | Azar: http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups |
| 15:00.42 | waterdog | who? |
| 15:00.44 | waterdog | me? |
| 15:00.51 | Azar | I got a spare box that I can use it for testing |
| 15:01.10 | george | waterdog: yeah |
| 15:01.10 | widrone | Azar: Good point, any other arcane hardware in the box? |
| 15:01.18 | widrone | Azar: Or lack of =) |
| 15:01.19 | waterdog | george: 1500 dedicated servers atm |
| 15:01.24 | waterdog | we only have two vps :D |
| 15:01.39 | george | so colo only? |
| 15:01.39 | Azar | widrone: arcane hardware? |
| 15:01.49 | waterdog | No, dedicated hardware lease. |
| 15:01.53 | waterdog | we dont really do colo |
| 15:02.20 | george | so really it's one instance on one machine |
| 15:02.37 | waterdog | right, they order a server, we install an os on a physical machine and there is their server ;-) |
| 15:02.38 | george | out of curiousity, what does that cost monthly |
| 15:02.44 | waterdog | for us or for the user? |
| 15:02.46 | waterdog | :D |
| 15:02.49 | george | both :) |
| 15:02.52 | Azar | widrone: for now I am sticking with AMD32 pretty Debian-friendly hardware |
| 15:03.03 | waterdog | for us, couple hundred thou a month |
| 15:03.08 | waterdog | for the user starting at $69 lol |
| 15:03.21 | george | how much ram at the min? |
| 15:03.30 | waterdog | i'll be pming you in a sec |
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| 15:03.50 | george | ok, np (you have to reg your nick to pm btw) |
| 15:04.30 | dogwater | little easier than going back and forth |
| 15:04.57 | badcfe | george: with best i mean most stable, not fastest, but more compatible to most operating systems. |
| 15:06.16 | Roey | guys |
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| 15:07.16 | Roey | how do I get 'zip' to remove initial directory path from the files it compresses? like... if I do zip -r myfile.zip example/*, then zip -l myfile.zip will show example/*, not *. How do I fix this |
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| 15:07.34 | spazer | hi |
| 15:07.39 | geo-rge | badcfe: the present stable is 3.1; stable means things DO NOT CHANGE |
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| 15:14.23 | jatt | Roey: call zip from the example directory. |
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| 15:18.39 | Roey | jatt: ok |
| 15:18.40 | Roey | thanks. |
| 15:18.43 | Roey | that's what everyone says. |
| 15:18.50 | Roey | that's sad that I have to be /in/ that directory. |
| 15:18.50 | Roey | argh |
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| 15:23.31 | badcfe | geo-rge: what does "things do not change" mean |
| 15:23.41 | badcfe | geo-rge: what do you mean by "things"? |
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| 15:24.30 | geo-rge | badcfe: once released, sarge never changes. package versions remain the same for all time. the only thing that could happen is -critical- bug fixes, and then likely security-only |
| 15:24.45 | badcfe | geo-rge: doesnt stable also mean that it has only undergone minor bug-fixing for a sufficiently long period, so it is seen to work on various hw and in various sirconstances? |
| 15:24.47 | Azar | hmm lilo is not offered by Etch installer, grub by default? |
| 15:25.28 | Azar | could the non-gui installation offer the alternative? |
| 15:25.30 | geo-rge | badcfe: at the point of release, yes... plus, release mgr says "go" |
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| 15:25.39 | charzero | Is there a program that will show me memory usage by process in a nice navigable table? |
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| 15:26.36 | sqrxz | Hi, is it in the ~/.xsession file you put "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" so it is run on X startup? |
| 15:26.37 | jatt | charzero: gnome-system-monitor |
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| 15:27.40 | dooglus | charzero: ps -eo sz:6,cmd |
| 15:27.56 | charzero | jatt: beautiful, thank you. |
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| 15:34.58 | SpeedyG | is there a particular reason to make the /boot partition ext2, and all others ext3 ? |
| 15:35.08 | geo-rge | badcfe: but the main thing is, packages are seen to all work together, works on supported platforms with supported hardware |
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| 15:37.11 | raz0 | SpeedyG, As long as ext3 support is compiled in, I can't see why. |
| 15:37.15 | charzero | SpeedyG: I think the thought is that /boot is mounted RW so infrequently that the journal really isn't very important. |
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| 15:37.47 | lkthomas-home | hey all |
| 15:38.00 | charzero | raz0: Does it matter if the kernel can read /boot? |
| 15:38.11 | charzero | raz0: As long as the bootloader can? |
| 15:38.11 | lkthomas-home | does anyone could suggest some program which could monitor the whole datacenter network ? |
| 15:39.08 | raz0 | charzero, It does, unless you're using initrd. |
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| 15:39.18 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: monitor for .. what? |
| 15:39.37 | lkthomas-home | abrotman, RTT, ping time, if some server support SNMP, connect to it |
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| 15:40.07 | raz0 | charzero, But then again, I think you can moun ext3 as ext2. |
| 15:40.24 | nixx | hello people, after a dist-upgrade (Sid), gaim 2.0.0+beta5-2 no longer connects to jabber servers, is there a bug somewhere? if there is I can't find it |
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| 15:40.39 | charzero | raz0: I am not using initrd, and I don't think /boot ever gets mounted. |
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| 15:42.05 | raz0 | charzero, It's mounted on my machine at least. Are you sure? 'df' doesn't mention it? |
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| 15:42.39 | geo-rge | charzero: if /boot never gets mounted, check /etc/fstab |
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| 15:42.57 | Winkie | sup guys, i'm about to replace ubuntu with debian, I'm assuming i should be installing unstable but what's the best way to do so, some sort of netinst? |
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| 15:43.31 | raz0 | charzero, Also grub configuration is on /boot, so it would be kind of weird if it wasn't mounted. |
| 15:43.46 | geo-rge | Winkie: unstable? why? you like working thru problems? you're willing to help find bugs?? |
| 15:43.58 | navaladi | Guys need help converting pdf files from Germen to English..I have used Google translater for html and text files, now i could n't figure out for pdf files..Google always Rocks..Now i found problem with pdf files..so is there any tool in Linux World |
| 15:44.00 | Winkie | geo-rge: both really, plus i like the latest software |
| 15:44.18 | Winkie | I don't have a problem with things breaking and i enjoy fixing them :) |
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| 15:44.50 | Winkie | I'm a sysadmin by trade too and sick of all the half assed distros so I figure i'll install stable debian on a server at work and unstable at home, and see how much I can learn about it |
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| 15:45.41 | sqrxz | debian is nice(tm) |
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| 15:47.02 | navaladi | Guys any help for converting? |
| 15:47.13 | bela | Hi, I want to forward from one net card to another one pemananetly, istead of echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 15:47.33 | nixx | winkie, you can either start with a minimal testing install and then change the apt sources.list, or try something from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ |
| 15:47.44 | nixx | Winkie, personally, I just debootstrap |
| 15:48.09 | MatBoy | Iceweasel is charshin all the time when I have (too) much Iceweasels open, this was the same with FF. Is this a bug in Etch or just in the Mozilla application ? |
| 15:48.23 | MatBoy | charshin=crashing |
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| 15:48.40 | Winkie | i assume debootstrap is from an existing install? |
| 15:48.57 | Winkie | bela: how do you mean forward? |
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| 15:49.04 | Winkie | do you mean bridge it, or ip forward? |
| 15:49.05 | geo-rge | Winkie: you might consider going whole-hawg and looking at all three |
| 15:49.16 | Winkie | geo-rge: all three? |
| 15:49.32 | nixx | Winkie, you can use a live CD or something, I use it to upgrade ancient RH installations remotely |
| 15:49.42 | Winkie | nixx: i have an install running and wouldn't mind boostrapping from that |
| 15:49.47 | geo-rge | i.e., have a testing box too |
| 15:49.51 | Winkie | installed ubuntu* |
| 15:49.52 | geo-rge | or a testing chroot |
| 15:50.21 | Winkie | geo-rge: is there a huge benefit to this? |
| 15:50.24 | geo-rge | Winkie: did you use serverlike partitioning? |
| 15:50.29 | nixx | Winkie, your problem will be the disk space, what I do is debootstrap a minimal in swap, boot into that and then tar | tar to the old partition |
| 15:50.31 | Winkie | geo-rge: no I didn't, i'll probably use LVM for now |
| 15:50.32 | geo-rge | Winkie: not that I know of :) |
| 15:50.41 | Winkie | nixx: disk space isn't an issue |
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| 15:51.20 | nixx | Winkie, mkfs, mount, debootstrap /newsys, you'll have a system in about 30 minutes, but make sure u install kernel and all needed stuff |
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| 15:52.35 | nixx | now back to my gaim issue, is anyone (else) having issues with 2.0.0+beta5-2 and jabber? |
| 15:52.43 | Winkie | nixx: fair enough, is there a list of supplemental packages i should be installing? |
| 15:52.45 | Winkie | kernel, X etc |
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| 15:54.03 | nixx | Winkie, off the top of my head, just the kernel so u can boot into the system, after debootstrap, chroot /newsys and do a base-config |
| 15:54.15 | geo-rge | Winkie: I think there's a executable called tasksel |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: apt-cache search server monitor |
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| 15:59.10 | joseph | I just installed debian etch. How do I get my sound working? |
| 15:59.19 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:59.19 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 16:00.43 | joseph | E: Couldn't find package alsaconf |
| 16:01.10 | nvzn | joseph: dont apt get it |
| 16:01.14 | nvzn | run it |
| 16:01.22 | nvzn | after getting alsa-utils |
| 16:01.33 | bela | I mean Ip forward, just from one card to another |
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| 16:06.03 | geo-rge | alsaconf comes in one of those other packages you would have already installed |
| 16:06.25 | geo-rge | I think it's probably in alsa-utils |
| 16:06.37 | lastnode | it is, iirc |
| 16:06.38 | geo-rge | so you -run- alsaconf |
| 16:08.28 | geo-rge | joseph: so you -run- alsaconf |
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| 16:09.41 | abrotman | not everyone has it installed |
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| 16:10.29 | CAiRO | hmm, what can be the cause when my fonts for gtk programs are not displayed correctly anymore? sometimes labels and menu names just disappear and a few seconds later they appear again |
| 16:11.15 | CAiRO | have there been any changes to font handling in testing? |
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| 16:12.52 | tx | hi all , i get a lot of "nscd: 6065 no more memory for database 'passwd'" in my logs , what't this about ? |
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| 16:14.23 | g00se | Is the main LDAP software in Sarge still called 'slapd'? |
| 16:14.45 | g00se | (i.e. the server) |
| 16:15.44 | ofer1 | g00se, yeah. it's OpenLDAP |
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| 16:17.08 | g00se | ofer1: thanks |
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| 16:22.12 | minerale | THis is odd, I can open vi & vim just fine, if I try to 'sudo vi file' I get: vi: error while loading shared libraries: libgnomeui-2.so.0: / If I login as root, neither vim nor vi load |
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| 16:22.36 | minerale | (this is a remote system, no x packages at all) |
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| 16:24.53 | geo-rge | minerale: evidently vi and vim link to libgnomeui |
| 16:25.07 | geo-rge | wonder why that would be |
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| 16:27.00 | minerale | geo-rge: but why does the problem manifest only when I try to open it as root ? |
| 16:27.17 | geo-rge | because the x server is not running as root |
| 16:27.33 | geo-rge | I'm taking an educated guess there |
| 16:27.44 | minerale | I don't have an x server at all |
| 16:28.00 | geo-rge | on any machine? |
| 16:28.07 | abrotman | the sudo shell could diffeR? |
| 16:28.21 | minerale | and `ldd /bin/vi` does not show any gnome dependencies |
| 16:28.27 | geo-rge | hmm |
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| 16:29.32 | SerajewelKS | any X dependencies? |
| 16:29.35 | abrotman | are you sure the vi is pointing at vim ? |
| 16:30.03 | SerajewelKS | i know vi tries to get the X clipboard but i can't imagine it would die if it couldn't |
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| 16:30.16 | SerajewelKS | vim that is |
| 16:30.19 | cjari | debian doesnt boot any more after an upgrade, is there anything you can do? http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8339/kpwx3.png |
| 16:30.55 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 16:30.55 | dpkg | from memory, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
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| 16:33.53 | minerale | abrotman: Apt file search for libgnomeui-2.so.0 brings up package libgnomeui-0 /// that's already installed it seems |
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| 16:37.34 | xstasi | hi |
| 16:37.37 | jindal | hola |
| 16:37.41 | xstasi | where the hell is firefox? |
| 16:37.53 | jindal | !iceweasel |
| 16:37.53 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:37.58 | Ronin | xstasi: depends, which release of debian do you run? |
| 16:38.01 | xstasi | there's no iceweasel! |
| 16:38.03 | xstasi | unstable |
| 16:38.13 | xstasi | iceweasel has no installation candidate |
| 16:38.32 | jindal | yes its upto bon echo |
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| 16:38.54 | xstasi | there is no iceweasel on my apt |
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| 16:39.05 | xstasi | and of course, firefox is a transitional package for the ghost iceweasel |
| 16:39.06 | geo-rge | xstasi: and? |
| 16:39.26 | xstasi | and where do i get a browser? |
| 16:39.36 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 16:39.36 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 16:39.39 | geo-rge | wherever you can find one :) |
| 16:39.41 | valdyn | xstasi: ^^^ |
| 16:39.50 | geo-rge | if you run sid, expect problems too |
| 16:40.05 | geo-rge | cause they'll hit you like a ton of bricks :) |
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| 16:40.09 | fasta | What is a good news reader (which can also post) and is easy to configure (meaning documented in a sane way)? I tried KNode, but that appears to be somewhat broken here now, although it used to work pretty good. |
| 16:40.18 | Ronin | fasta: slrn |
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| 16:40.46 | xstasi | geo-rge, i run sid since 4 years, but there never was a missing like this |
| 16:41.09 | minerale | Iceweasel ? I thought that's a different fork of firefox |
| 16:41.20 | geo-rge | xstasi: yes there was... maybe not that you personally experienced tho |
| 16:41.20 | Ronin | fasta: and how is knode broken? wife runs that and its fine course i use sarge |
| 16:41.37 | xstasi | maybe |
| 16:41.52 | minerale | Not just a rename... I thought they had more changes there |
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| 16:42.31 | fasta | Ronin: PEBKAC on my side. |
| 16:42.33 | geo-rge | maybe nothing :P if you run sid, expect problems... are you prepared to help -fix- them? |
| 16:42.40 | fasta | Ronin: I didn't notice a window. |
| 16:42.50 | Ronin | fasta: best fix your pebkac then :) |
| 16:42.52 | xstasi | geo-rge, that would be easier with a browser. |
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| 16:43.08 | geo-rge | there are lots of browsers |
| 16:43.17 | xstasi | but they all suck |
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| 16:43.27 | geo-rge | packages.debian.org |
| 16:43.27 | geo-rge | not my problem. |
| 16:43.35 | Ronin | all browsers suck? heh |
| 16:43.58 | stew | !iceweasel |
| 16:43.58 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:44.10 | stew | that is out of date |
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| 16:45.34 | minerale | I guess gnu is out of luck for not trademarking iceweasel |
| 16:45.54 | fasta | minerale: do they even want that? |
| 16:46.20 | minerale | fasta: it suck for them to not to be able to use the name anymore |
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| 16:47.09 | minerale | the same way mozilla took Firebird's name |
| 16:47.31 | stew | !no iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing> |
| 16:47.31 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 16:47.46 | stew | !iceweasel is also ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 16:47.46 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 16:48.22 | tj2 | Hi! On Sarge.. how do I make it so that it does NOT attempt to upgrade the kernel via apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 16:48.35 | fasta | Why do the keys of Debian change every time? |
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| 16:49.23 | tj2 | No matter what I google on, all hits i get is about how to compile a new kernel, not to hold the one in the repos back |
| 16:49.27 | fasta | I need to have this public key: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 16:49.43 | stew | fasta: /msg dpkg apt-key 6070D3A1 |
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| 16:50.18 | fasta | stew: Why do you include a substring of what I posted? |
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| 16:50.43 | stew | fasta: the longer debian uses a single key, the more likely it gets that someone has compromised the key, so debian changes keys yearly |
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| 16:50.52 | tj2 | For having 739 users this is quite a slow channel :) |
| 16:50.57 | stew | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 16:50.57 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:50.59 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.03 | Ronin | tj2: dont you jinx it |
| 16:51.06 | stew | fasta: 6070D3A1 is the "key id" |
| 16:51.17 | tj2 | Ronin, hehe I wouldn't mind some more activity actually :) |
| 16:51.36 | fasta | stew: hmm, I do see the potential for cracking one single key :) |
| 16:51.46 | fasta | stew: thanks for clarifying. |
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| 16:55.35 | badcfe | GRUB Loading stage1.5 GRUB loading, please wais.... Error 21 |
| 16:55.50 | tj2 | Seriously.. someone should know how to NOT automatically upgrade a package ? |
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| 16:56.10 | geo-rge | tj2: look into "pinning" |
| 16:56.12 | fasta | How do I tell sudo that user fasta who is a member of the administrator group can also execute apt-key when he gives his password? User fasta can already execute some commands without a password. |
| 16:56.14 | badcfe | thanks grub. for being descriptive about my problem "Error 21" is very very good a message. |
| 16:56.18 | stew | tj2: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:56.24 | Ronin | tj2: hold or pinning iirc |
| 16:56.26 | tj2 | Thanks |
| 16:56.29 | fasta | I already edited the /etc/sudoers file. |
| 16:56.53 | crono- | 21 : Selected disk does not exist. This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. |
| 16:57.04 | crono- | first hit on google |
| 16:57.25 | crono- | i agree with you though |
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| 16:58.25 | badcfe | crono-: so am i stuck? i just installed, and now understands that i should have specified /dev/hdg in grub.list or alike... |
| 16:58.28 | geo-rge | badcfe: -sure- it is... it tells what the problem is. you just have to look up the number. |
| 16:58.46 | geo-rge | no you're not stuck |
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| 16:59.13 | badcfe | ill re install |
| 16:59.22 | geo-rge | wait, you don't have to do that |
| 16:59.40 | geo-rge | does grub put a menu up? |
| 16:59.58 | badcfe | i guess my bios does not provide the fooling virtual thing that provides disc on ide 0 even if it is another place |
| 17:00.05 | badcfe | no menu. |
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| 17:00.10 | badcfe | Error 21 thats it |
| 17:00.22 | geo-rge | ok |
| 17:00.28 | badcfe | stuck? |
| 17:00.36 | geo-rge | do you have an hda? |
| 17:01.34 | badcfe | hdg |
| 17:01.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | Why do I get this error while doing an apt-get update ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/5iF4JZ68.html |
| 17:01.34 | geo-rge | so you do not have an hda? |
| 17:01.34 | badcfe | correct |
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| 17:01.34 | johnmorr | libnss-ldap is segfaulting during login and i'm trying to get a backtrace out of sshd so i can either (1) fix it or (2) make a reasonable submission to the BTS. i rebuilt sshd with debugging symbols and have 'ulimit -c unlimited', but i can't get it to drop core. i run it as 'sshd -d' and reproduce the problem (log in) and the process segfaults, but doesn't dump core. if i 'kill -11' the process *before* i try to log in, it will dump core. ??? |
| 17:01.34 | geo-rge | so you have these wires in your computer that are not connected? |
| 17:01.34 | Ronin | WoodyWoodpecker: /msg dpkg key |
| 17:01.44 | geo-rge | or what, is this a sata controller? |
| 17:01.50 | Ronin | oops etch key |
| 17:01.53 | badcfe | geo-rge: no its sata stuff thats been addressed as the first ide numbers i guess. and i dont use sata. i have ide sisc |
| 17:02.09 | badcfe | /sisc/disc |
| 17:02.18 | enouf | ahhh /topic has been updated .. nice |
| 17:02.22 | geo-rge | so the motherboard doesn't have pata connectors? |
| 17:02.40 | wladek | hi, i just installed debian testing (with database option selected when installing), postgresql came in version 7.4, but i wanted to upgrade it to 8.1, i made some stupid things, nad the problem is that now i don't have init scripts, whta should i rinstall to have these scripts? |
| 17:02.43 | geo-rge | and in order to get pata you had to put a controller? |
| 17:03.13 | badcfe | i just know that my disc is normally at /dev/hdg and that grub sais error 21 |
| 17:03.16 | mcnaft | how can anyone use any other distro than debian? |
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| 17:03.28 | geo-rge | mcnaft: step one: install it |
| 17:03.58 | badcfe | mcnaft: well, if you use three days installing a system on a new computer and you see that freebsd installs without any problem, then |
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| 17:04.35 | WoodyWoodpecker | Ronin: I am getting a timeout. I didn't have this problem 10 hours ago. |
| 17:04.41 | Ether_Man | Dont suppose anyone happen to have the .torrent for debian etch cd1 or mini install? cdimage.debian.org seems to be either down or simply unreachable for me :/ |
| 17:04.49 | geo-rge | badcfe: how many disk controllers do you have? how many that have disks attached? |
| 17:05.03 | Ronin | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 17:05.04 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:05.07 | badcfe | i guess i redo the sarge with backported 2.6.19rc1 iso and try some disc selection in some "expert" mode? |
| 17:05.26 | badcfe | geo-rge: one. its an ide with a cd as slave. |
| 17:05.33 | wladek | hello ppl, what package should i reinstall to have init scripts for postgresql (I lost (deleted) them, reinstalling postgresql-8.1 doesn't works) |
| 17:05.40 | badcfe | geo-rge: and its hdg |
| 17:05.42 | ofer1 | I'm trying for hours to use sudo so a user can "sudo su otheruser -c 'WILDCARD'" without a password. do you have an idea how to do that? |
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| 17:06.07 | stew | wladek: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:06.12 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
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| 17:06.17 | geo-rge | badcfe: I would suggest you use two controllers, one for the cd the other for the drive... and they should be closer to hda |
| 17:06.27 | ofer1 | user1 ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/su user2 -c '.*' |
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| 17:06.33 | ofer1 | I've tried it. it asks for a password |
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| 17:06.53 | stew | ofer1: you can only give sudo access to a command, not a command + its arguments |
| 17:07.04 | ofer1 | stew, okay. thanks |
| 17:07.19 | Gathond | wladek: my init script is installed by postgresql-8.1 according to dpkg, not entirely sure it would replace it if you removed it entirely though |
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| 17:08.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | I still get a timeout. |
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| 17:08.48 | stew | ofer1: but its kinda pointless to use sudo to give them access to sudo su otheruser -c, just give them access to run anything as the otheruser with sudo (forget su) if that is what you are intending to do |
| 17:08.51 | geo-rge | badcfe: but /boot/grub/device.map entries that map hdg to a grub drive (hd0 maybe) might work too |
| 17:08.52 | wladek | stew: dpkg does not recognize "confmiss" |
| 17:08.57 | stew | !confmiss |
| 17:08.57 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:09.02 | ofer1 | stew, okay, how to do it? |
| 17:09.09 | eugene | does anyone installed a copy of apache2? i would like to have the init script. somehow it didn't install it to my /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:09.14 | wladek | Gathond: apt-get remove; apt-get install did not help |
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| 17:09.29 | wladek | Gathond: i tried it with postgresql-8.1 and postgresql-common |
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| 17:10.09 | Gathond | wladek: try asking dpkg, dpkg -S /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 |
| 17:10.12 | geo-rge | wladek; either purge it and reinstall, or install with the confmiss thing |
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| 17:10.22 | Suprano__ | arg |
| 17:10.24 | Suprano__ | re |
| 17:10.31 | lunaphyte_ | what a good generic username to use for a service account? |
| 17:10.31 | stew | ofer1: i don't know off-hand, but read "man sudoers" and look at Runas to say which user they can run things as |
| 17:10.40 | geo-rge | service |
| 17:10.43 | ofer1 | stew, okay, thank you. |
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| 17:10.46 | ofer1 | babye! |
| 17:10.46 | stew | lunaphyte_: daemon? |
| 17:10.47 | wladek | Gathond: postgresql-8.1: /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 |
| 17:11.00 | Suprano__ | did s.o. answere me ? |
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| 17:11.21 | wladek | Gathond: i am also missing /etc/postgresql (also deleted it), it is not recreated |
| 17:11.23 | stew | Suprano__: you didn't ask a question |
| 17:11.27 | eugene | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache2 not found. |
| 17:11.35 | Suprano__ | ah damn then i was disconnected before that |
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| 17:11.39 | stew | wladek: yes, this is expected. read the "confmiss" stuff above |
| 17:11.40 | Suprano__ | you had a bot here which told s.o. what to do if apt-get update -> There are no public key available for the following key IDs |
| 17:11.52 | stew | Suprano__: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 17:11.53 | lunaphyte_ | stew: meaning like an actual user account that would be on all machines that go to customers so a support rep could log in if need be. |
| 17:12.07 | Suprano__ | ty |
| 17:12.10 | geo-rge | wladek: does your pg have databases with data now? |
| 17:12.24 | stew | lunaphyte_: admin? |
| 17:12.33 | lunaphyte_ | already in use :) |
| 17:13.28 | hans0lo | I am trying to setup software RAID on an exiisting debian etch installation. I have two additional hard drives installed & partitioned. When I try to run the mdadm command to create the array as /dev/md0, it says that /dev/md0 does not exist. How do I create the /dev/md* properly? (running udev, if that makes a diff) |
| 17:14.15 | Gathond | wladek: you might be able to do what geo-rge suggested, that or if there is no important data in the database delete the entire thing, reinstall it and if applicable restore your backup |
| 17:14.46 | stew | or he could just install with confmiss and not have to remove anything... |
| 17:14.53 | eugene | anyone? |
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| 17:15.10 | stew | eugene: does /etc/init.d/apache2 exist? |
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| 17:15.28 | eugene | stew: it doesn't. when i install apache2-common, it didn't add the init script there |
| 17:15.29 | wladek | Gathond: there is no data in database |
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| 17:15.34 | stew | eugene: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:15.38 | eugene | stew: if someone has a copy of it, i would be grateful |
| 17:15.39 | khaleel5000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.43 | Gathond | wladek: trye purging the entire thing then |
| 17:15.45 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 17:15.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:15.47 | khaleel5000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.48 | valdyn | eugene: ^^ |
| 17:15.53 | khaleel5000 | first of all........ when GDM starts.... i cannot log in as root! |
| 17:15.53 | wladek | Gathond: "purge" means? |
| 17:16.00 | khaleel5000 | I tried with kdm too (basically I remember that I had set the password for root to be apache ) but when I in cli type root and press enter it doesnot ask for password! |
| 17:16.01 | eugene | valdyn: heh |
| 17:16.04 | stew | eugene: you have a copy in the .deb you installed |
| 17:16.07 | khaleel5000 | on the other hand in GDM / KDM it doesnot show me an option for root access and denies me root access |
| 17:16.09 | eugene | stew: yes i have. |
| 17:16.13 | khaleel5000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.19 | wladek | Gathond: i did confmiss and now I have /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 |
| 17:16.20 | eugene | let me try the command that dpkg returned to me |
| 17:16.21 | khaleel5000 | any thoughts? |
| 17:16.21 | geo-rge | yeah, dpkg --purge postgresql |
| 17:16.31 | wladek | Gathond: but still don't have /etc/postgresql |
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| 17:17.14 | hans0lo | khaleel5000: GDM has to be configured to allow root logins |
| 17:17.19 | geo-rge | khaleel5000: if you log in to gdm/kdm as some user, then the x server process is owned by that user... other users cannot connect unless you do somewhat special things |
| 17:17.31 | eugene | stew: thanks for the tip |
| 17:17.31 | geo-rge | and that even includes root |
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| 17:17.43 | Gathond | wladek: i dont think that is part of that package, the creation of that directory that is |
| 17:17.44 | stew | wladek: i'd guess that /etc/postgresql is maintained in postgresql-common or some such then |
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| 17:17.50 | cahoot | khaleel5000: use sudo or sux |
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| 17:18.15 | khaleel5000 | I cannot use su ! |
| 17:18.20 | cahoot | khaleel5000: use sudo or sux |
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| 17:18.32 | muhKuh | does anyone know how to make the funktion keys work in mc or mcedit when inside screen? |
| 17:19.17 | khaleel5000 | cahoot, ok well doesnot sudo has to be 'tuned as well' ? or all users can sudo? |
| 17:19.27 | cahoot | khaleel5000: use sux |
| 17:19.32 | geo-rge | that screen thing is about terminal types |
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| 17:19.41 | Hal9000 | any idea how i can match character \000 in regex? |
| 17:19.56 | RandomTask | Hi ... if i have two obj files obj1.o and obj2.o ... how can i partially link them against each other to produce a new obj file objLinked.o ? |
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| 17:20.16 | geo-rge | RandomTask: man ld, look for -r |
| 17:20.29 | RandomTask | will ld produce a library? |
| 17:20.37 | RandomTask | or new .o? |
| 17:20.42 | RandomTask | or are they the same |
| 17:20.44 | RandomTask | ? |
| 17:20.45 | badcfe | geo-rge: if i dont install a boot loader like grub, but just has mbr too boot linux, then the problem would disappear, no? |
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| 17:20.59 | geo-rge | badcfe: dunno |
| 17:21.27 | johnmorr | n/m, was running afoul of kernel restrictions on core dumps. adding prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE, 1); to sshd to always allow core dumps allows sshd to dump core |
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| 17:21.47 | khaleel5000 | cahoot, okiez...well may be its because since I am the only user.....I have same root and user passowrd ! (thats why i cannot log in to the user i have created with name khaleel? coz its password is also apache ...just like roots' ) (cannot log in as khaleel , user as well..that would ahve been my next question :D |
| 17:21.50 | khaleel5000 | cahoot, trying |
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| 17:22.40 | khaleel_ | oh hI yeah its the problem..........I changed my password so now its different from root's passowrd and BINGO ! |
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| 17:22.52 | badcfe | badcfe: but without grub would it be possible to update kernel afterwords? |
| 17:22.54 | khaleel5000 | khaleel5000=khaleel_ |
| 17:23.02 | wladek | Gathond: ok, I just get things worked, thank you for help :) |
| 17:23.08 | wladek | stew: and you too :) |
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| 17:23.25 | khaleel_ | khaleel_= khaleel5000 (logged in xchat through ROOT ) |
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| 17:24.11 | geo-rge | geo-rge, depends on which kernel you used |
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| 17:24.11 | geo-rge | or rather which boot loader |
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| 17:24.27 | wladek | Gathond: the most important step was purging postgresql-8.1 |
| 17:24.29 | Dr-Linux|work | guys, what's the mysql server/client etc package name? |
| 17:24.39 | Dr-Linux|work | apt-get install mysql ? |
| 17:24.44 | geo-rge | postgresql! :) |
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| 17:25.01 | lord_rob | Hi ! apt-get update tells me a warning :"W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1". What's that ? |
| 17:25.31 | stew | lord_rob: /topic |
| 17:25.31 | badcfe | geo-rge: under installation it sees my one and only hd as sda |
| 17:25.31 | odla | lord_rob: you need the public key |
| 17:25.31 | lord_rob | sorry stew :) |
| 17:25.31 | Gathond | Dr-Linux|work: mysql-server I think |
| 17:25.31 | stew | lord_rob: np |
| 17:25.31 | madclicker | hi, "How do i find out an ISP's network segment" ? |
| 17:25.31 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 17:25.33 | geo-rge | then why not use /dev/sda?? |
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| 17:26.13 | geo-rge | sda... hmm, it's using the scsi subsystem |
| 17:26.17 | badcfe | geo-rge: well, i did all installation automagically last time, and i then got Error 21 from grub .. |
| 17:26.26 | valdyn | madclicker: ask your ISP |
| 17:26.26 | khaleel_ | ------------fellas . I just installed debian ETCH thoday......my root password was = apache ,,,,,, put my account with username khaleel passowrd = apache........... so root couldnot LOGIN via KDM or GDM ......... IN CLI when I typed my username and pressed enter ..... It DIDNOT ask me for my password |
| 17:26.27 | Dr-Linux|work | Gathond: hhm.. what about mysql-client etc? |
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| 17:26.53 | khaleel_ | now that i hvae changed my user khaleel's passowrd from roots i can log in as user khaleel |
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| 17:26.58 | odla | khaleel_: you should log in as root |
| 17:26.59 | geo-rge | you need a MUCH less guessable root password |
| 17:27.09 | odla | shouldn't log in as root |
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| 17:27.21 | valdyn | khaleel_: that's nonsenes, your users password was empty, not apache |
| 17:27.25 | khaleel_ | NOW I AM IN A NON ROOT ACCOUNT |
| 17:27.26 | geo-rge | VWrkYiW3H8PX6NsTlXgv |
| 17:27.42 | geo-rge | now THAT could be a root password |
| 17:27.44 | khaleel_ | valdyn, i tried just pressing enter |
| 17:27.53 | Gathond | Dr-Linux|work: if the server requires it I'm sure it depends on it, but most likely the server will run just fine without a client installed on that same machine |
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| 17:28.01 | odla | geo-rge: on a personal computer? that's a bit of an overkill ;) |
| 17:28.13 | odla | geo-rge: security freak! |
| 17:28.31 | geo-rge | a personal computer with a fast net connection is still a computer with a fast net connection |
| 17:28.37 | valdyn | khaleel_: that could theoretically be a bug in kdm or gdm, in any case there's no problem in root and a user using the same password |
| 17:28.39 | khaleel_ | geo-rge, if I had some national secrets I would have such a passowrd........ (well since I am learning ...newbie wi have kept such an easy passowrd ) when I learn some debian I will keep a password like 12Pv20Ei60nA26tR (in my debian one |
| 17:28.51 | cydork | geo-rge: no special characters? :P |
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| 17:28.59 | odla | cydork: ha ha |
| 17:29.15 | Azar | :) |
| 17:29.16 | geo-rge | it's not your information they want (and that's true for the reason you give)... they want your -bandwidth- |
| 17:29.33 | odla | geo-rge: i agree with that |
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| 17:29.35 | khaleel_ | valdyn, well okiez.......now I cannot go su .........since IN CLI i log in without it asking for passowrd......when I su (asks for passowrd...) (press apache and enter) (wrong passowrd |
| 17:29.50 | khaleel_ | valdyn, if su (press enter when prompted 4 password) (wrong pasword) |
| 17:29.54 | odla | khaleel_: just press enter? don't enter a passwd/ |
| 17:29.56 | valdyn | khaleel_: so it was the wrong password |
| 17:30.07 | valdyn | khaleel_: this is called pebkac |
| 17:30.09 | valdyn | !pebkac |
| 17:30.09 | dpkg | from memory, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 17:30.19 | wladek | what is the best way to enable modules in apache2? I just want to enable php5 module (just installed it) |
| 17:30.20 | lord_rob | Is the "etch key" thingy also needed when you run sid only ? Or is because I also use etch repositories ? |
| 17:30.25 | Azar | haha |
| 17:30.51 | DerJamster | wladek: a2enmod |
| 17:30.58 | geo-rge | or it's the ID-ten-T |
| 17:31.01 | geo-rge | problem |
| 17:31.03 | DerJamster | wladek: apt-get install the module first of course ;P |
| 17:31.06 | wladek | DerJamster: thx |
| 17:31.14 | khaleel_ | valdyn, I am a newbie wtith dialup ........i have a CLI (tty3 ) as root open.......tell me how to change root's passsword via cli |
| 17:31.23 | valdyn | lord_rob: yes, sid uses etch's key |
| 17:31.25 | wladek | DerJamster: I wrote that i isntalled the module :) |
| 17:31.37 | khaleel_ | valdyn, I will follow yor steps , step by step |
| 17:31.38 | valdyn | khaleel_: type 'passwd' |
| 17:32.03 | geo-rge | khaleel_: well then there's probably nothing they want from you, if not processing power |
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| 17:32.23 | badcfe | geo-rge: now i tried with lilo |
| 17:32.30 | geo-rge | and? |
| 17:32.44 | badcfe | geo-rge: it fails too, but gives me a cmd line kind of thing (initramfs) |
| 17:32.50 | khaleel_ | geo-rge, well then theres noting they want....... (didnot get ti........ english is NOT my first languange :( .... ) |
| 17:33.06 | wladek | DerJamster: now php5 works, thx :) |
| 17:33.06 | DerJamster | :> |
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| 17:33.51 | badcfe | anyone knows what i should do on this "(initramfs)" prompt that lilo gives me? |
| 17:33.51 | khaleel_ | valdyn, YEAH !done.........thanks |
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| 17:34.02 | enouf | khaleel_: slow 56k dialup == nothing worth stealing == too slow |
| 17:34.06 | idilux | suche ein vector grafic programm. weismir da jemand einen tipp |
| 17:34.18 | earthian | question: is there any lags between the main debian repository server and its mirror for example debian.balt.net ? |
| 17:34.35 | valdyn | earthian: yes |
| 17:34.38 | grendal_prime | hey does anyone have a recomendation for something like splunk (soemthing that i will not have to pay for?) |
| 17:34.40 | idilux | suche ein vector grafic program. hat mir da jemand einen Tipp? |
| 17:34.47 | geo-rge | !de |
| 17:34.47 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 17:34.53 | valdyn | earthian: internet is obviously not a realtime network |
| 17:34.59 | earthian | i know |
| 17:35.05 | SpeedyG | what was the apt-source to add for win32codecs? |
| 17:35.12 | DerJamster | debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:35.24 | earthian | another thing: is it possible that the debian.balt.net would not have some packages that the official site has? |
| 17:35.26 | enouf | grendal_prime: care to elaborate on splunk ? .. mail blackhole ? |
| 17:35.31 | odla | !tell SpeedyG about marillat |
| 17:35.32 | khaleel_ | eno, well its basicalllly 21000kbps :D |
| 17:35.32 | idilux | im searching for a vector grafic program. has anybody a tipp for me |
| 17:35.43 | earthian | and how can i check the if i can trust a mirror i am using? |
| 17:35.53 | enouf | !tell SpeedyG about win32codecs |
| 17:35.59 | grendal_prime | some sort of log analaisis application for several machines |
| 17:36.01 | valdyn | earthian: secure apt verifies packages |
| 17:36.08 | tuv | idilux, inkscape, xfig, dia ... |
| 17:36.08 | SpeedyG | enouf: thanks :) |
| 17:36.17 | enouf | hehe |
| 17:36.18 | idilux | thanks |
| 17:36.22 | SpeedyG | somehow dpkg didnt respond to my win32codecs query :/ |
| 17:36.35 | valdyn | earthian: basically you cant get around using it, only possibility is that you use a compromised key server or your own host is compromised |
| 17:36.40 | geo-rge | dpkg: statuds |
| 17:36.43 | tuv | idilux, don't be fooled by xfig's look, it's so damn powerful |
| 17:36.43 | geo-rge | dpkg: status |
| 17:36.43 | dpkg | Since Tue Nov 21 12:05:04 2006, there have been 2 modifications, 158 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 11 commands. I have been awake for 5h 31m 39s this session, and currently reference 37008 factoids. I'm using about 13736 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 33.49/1.7 child 0/0 |
| 17:36.49 | badcfe | geo-rge: and there is no /dev/sda in this initramfs |
| 17:36.49 | luke-jr-work | sigh |
| 17:36.49 | enouf | SpeedyG: I believe odla worjed .. mine failed .. wrong syntax |
| 17:36.51 | odla | SpeedyG: you want w32codecs btw |
| 17:36.57 | odla | !w32codecs |
| 17:36.58 | dpkg | methinks w32codecs is a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular but proprietary multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. |
| 17:36.59 | luke-jr-work | why is Debian's netfilter support so lacking? :( |
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| 17:37.11 | enouf | odla: :-) |
| 17:37.25 | khaleel_ | hans0lo, you mentioned to me 'GDM has to be configured to allow root logins ' (i am now using kdm -can swith back to GDM (both dont allow root gui access) how to make gdm /kdm /gdm+kdm allow root gui access? |
| 17:37.28 | geo-rge | luke-jr-work: what lacking? netfilter comes as kernel modules |
| 17:37.29 | earthian | valdyn, how do i verify/update my keys? |
| 17:37.30 | SpeedyG | well, i've got it anyhow :) thanks both! |
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| 17:37.46 | luke-jr-work | geo-rge, 70% of which aren't available for debian |
| 17:37.54 | luke-jr-work | geo-rge, ROUTE, nth, random, etc |
| 17:38.21 | badcfe | seems like i have the ata_piix problem. but now ive installed lilo, so im stuck |
| 17:38.21 | mcnaft | Hi, I'm looking for an app that can display a dir of images as thumbnails...any suggestions? |
| 17:38.21 | geo-rge | then rebuild kernel |
| 17:38.22 | valdyn | !secure apt |
| 17:38.22 | luke-jr-work | geo-rge, I don't want to install a compiler |
| 17:38.23 | luke-jr-work | geo-rge, if I did, I'd be using Gentoo |
| 17:38.25 | valdyn | !apt-key |
| 17:38.29 | geo-rge | not my problem |
| 17:38.29 | wladek | DerJamster: I have another question, where is the php.ini ? my /etc/php5/ has some dirs but no files :/ |
| 17:38.32 | odla | luke-jr-work: at least use netbsd not gentoo |
| 17:38.42 | geo-rge | right now my problem is: where to go for coffee |
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| 17:39.09 | luke-jr-work | odla, I don't want to lose GNU stuff |
| 17:39.09 | DerJamster | wladek: it should be in there. apt-get install php5, libapache2-mod-php5..should do the trick, really. |
| 17:39.09 | odla | luke-jr-work: i suppose... |
| 17:39.12 | tuv | khaleel_, run gdmsetup as root |
| 17:39.15 | valdyn | earthian: read the apt-key manpage and the gpg manpage or google, explaining public key crypto here leads to far and is off topic anyway |
| 17:39.20 | hans0lo | khaleel_: I havent used KDM in years, so I can only assume it can also be configured to allow root like GDM |
| 17:39.21 | odla | luke-jr-work: ricing is wrong |
| 17:39.36 | earthian | ok thanks valdyn :) |
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| 17:39.57 | khaleel_ | hans0lo, okiez....thanks for the tip though |
| 17:40.00 | DerJamster | wladek: it will ask if you want it for apache2/apache or whatever. answer with apache2 and it should install it. |
| 17:40.10 | wladek | DerJamster: I didn't install php5, I installed only libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 17:40.17 | wladek | this probably is the problem :) |
| 17:40.19 | luke-jr-work | odla, ricing? |
| 17:40.21 | DerJamster | yeah :) |
| 17:40.23 | khaleel_ | tuv, ok I am currently logged in GUI as a user....... i so i run in CLI gdmsetup? |
| 17:40.30 | khaleel_ | tuv, or startx -- :1 ? |
| 17:40.54 | luke-jr-work | I've already got Debian installed and mostly everything working... so I'm really hoping someone has a repository with the stuff Debian lacks |
| 17:41.14 | quitte_ | !marillat |
| 17:41.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 17:41.16 | tuv | khaleel_, gdmsetup is a GUI. run su, then gdmsetup in any X session |
| 17:41.34 | wladek | DerJamster: still no files after installing php5 |
| 17:41.42 | geo-rge | if you don't like what's offered either build yourself or change to a dist that does |
| 17:41.45 | DerJamster | wladek: it asked you what apache you're using, right? |
| 17:42.27 | geo-rge | there is a reason why the toolchain (compilers, make, ld, etc) packaged by debian is one of the most stable of all the dists |
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| 17:43.13 | DerJamster | wladek: apt-get install php5-common |
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| 17:44.59 | khaleel_ | tuv, http://rafb.net/paste/results/9nDNQX71.html <---error which I see in when i do gdmsetup in xterm |
| 17:45.16 | khaleel_ | tuv, tried it as root and as non-root-->su-->gdmsetup |
| 17:45.20 | khaleel_ | tuv, no difference |
| 17:45.20 | wladek | DerJamster: I've just purged php5-common php5 php5-cli libapache2-mod-php5, reinstalled it, but still no php.ini in /etc/php5 |
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| 17:45.35 | khaleel_ | tuv, be advised i have currently configured my login manager to be KDM |
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| 17:46.54 | tuv | khaleel_, if you're using kdm, then gdmsetup won't help. if you want to use gdm, make sure it's properly installed. a missing conffile indicates otherwise |
| 17:48.00 | khaleel_ | tuv, basically when i installed debian ...... i didnot to a COMPLETEE install... so had genome NO KDE , so had GDM by default ! (so its highly unlikely that I have a missing conffile) |
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| 17:48.18 | khaleel_ | tuv, can you tell me how to allow root accesss in KDM? |
| 17:48.30 | tuv | khaleel_, i never used kdm. have no idea |
| 17:48.57 | tuv | khaleel_, but i suppose if you run its configuration tool there would be an option there |
| 17:49.00 | khaleel_ | tuv, for gdm you think its a missing file / library /? |
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| 17:49.07 | tuv | khaleel_, probably somewhere in kcontrol |
| 17:49.18 | tuv | khaleel_, a reinstall won't hurt |
| 17:49.28 | tuv | khaleel_, for gdm i mean |
| 17:49.59 | tuv | khaleel_, just in case, make sure you have /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 17:50.00 | khaleel_ | tuv, yeah my next question is since my root cannot log in via KDM or GDM , i login via a cli shell , do startx -- :1 |
| 17:50.22 | khaleel_ | tuv, and GENOME starts........me a kde junkie how do i run kde via cli? |
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| 17:50.24 | tuv | khaleel_, why do you need root login anyway? |
| 17:50.46 | khaleel_ | tuv, newbie need it |
| 17:50.55 | khaleel_ | tuv, meant newbie , i need it |
| 17:51.12 | tuv | khaleel_, no you don't. if you do it, you'll get used to it and it won't matter if you're a newbie or not |
| 17:51.50 | DerJamster | wladek: that's werid then. |
| 17:51.54 | tuv | khaleel_, at least in gnome all system configuration tools the need root access asks for root password and work right away |
| 17:51.58 | DerJamster | wladek: does it even ask you for the settings? apache etc? |
| 17:52.29 | jatt | startkde |
| 17:52.31 | tuv | khaleel_, worst case: su in a terminal and run whatever you want as root |
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| 17:53.06 | khaleel_ | tuv, okiez.......one thing......just for general knowledge i give you my word i will drastically minimize my root usage anyways .... tell me how do i start kde via cli (when an X is already loaded at vt7? ) |
| 17:53.06 | cahoot | tuv: probably needs to use sux |
| 17:53.22 | jatt | khaleel_: I already told you: |
| 17:53.23 | jatt | startkde |
| 17:53.28 | khaleel_ | cahoot, sux no command found |
| 17:53.37 | cahoot | install it |
| 17:53.40 | valdyn | !installit |
| 17:53.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:53.41 | widrone | khaleel_: Minimising you root usage by running X as it? Not a good start is it? :) |
| 17:53.43 | khaleel_ | jatt, its ok when you dont have any stuff @ vt7 ...... when you have an x @ vt7 it doesnot |
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| 17:54.18 | geo-rge | x goes to vt7 because it's the first unused vt |
| 17:54.29 | geo-rge | it doesn't have to be that |
| 17:54.37 | khaleel_ | widrone, nope thats not the thinkg......wanna go to CLI so will go from KDE to TWM (will log in as 2 non root users one with twm oterh with kde ) |
| 17:54.45 | valdyn | khaleel_: X uses the next free tty, but it always tries to be the screen :0 first, you can 'startx -- :1' |
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| 17:55.10 | khaleel_ | valdyn, with startx -- :1 it automatically starts GENOME as the dm |
| 17:55.19 | geo-rge | twm?? how can you stand that thing?! at least try fvwm |
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| 17:55.54 | valdyn | khaleel_: startx /usr/bin/startkde -- :1 |
| 17:56.02 | wladek | DerJamster: no questions, i installed it by apt-get, it recognized that I have apache2 |
| 17:56.09 | valdyn | khaleel_: its called GNOME btw |
| 17:56.26 | geo-rge | or mor likely it's called gnome |
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| 17:56.36 | wladek | DerJamster: and suggested to install libapache2-mod-php5 so I've choosen Yes |
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| 17:57.03 | khaleel_ | valdyn, yeeeeeha.....thanks.....sorry for gnome |
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| 17:59.03 | earthian | hey i get this warning while running apt-get update: |
| 17:59.03 | earthian | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 17:59.04 | earthian | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 17:59.09 | khaleel_ | *** now next question *** my kcontrol (in kde) has no in-depth options (it has just network ) (and peripherals-->obex devices) [where are the rest of em? |
| 17:59.15 | earthian | how to fix that? |
| 17:59.18 | earthian | what is causing that? |
| 17:59.31 | valdyn | !etch key |
| 17:59.31 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:59.32 | cahoot | earthian: try /topic |
| 17:59.44 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:59.54 | Ronin | im sensing a pattern today |
| 18:00.03 | valdyn | earthian: that huge sequence of characters can just be '6070D3A1' |
| 18:00.25 | jatt | !keys |
| 18:00.40 | jatt | it used to work, crap |
| 18:00.44 | jatt | !key |
| 18:00.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, key is gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 18:00.48 | geo-rge | !flea |
| 18:00.48 | dpkg | i guess flea is a Four Letter Extended Acronym |
| 18:00.50 | jatt | there you go |
| 18:01.01 | earthian | it still shows the same warning! |
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| 18:01.07 | earthian | i imported the key again... |
| 18:01.08 | earthian | :/ |
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| 18:01.47 | earthian | hm the key showed here works :| |
| 18:01.57 | earthian | the one in /msg dpkg does not! |
| 18:02.05 | valdyn | earthian: only just the same |
| 18:02.13 | DerJamster | wladek: it should ask. do an dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 18:02.19 | geo-rge | isn't it the same key? |
| 18:02.30 | jatt | earthian: the /msg dpkg message is broken, use the advice given by !key |
| 18:02.31 | earthian | problem is with /msg dpkg etch key and /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 18:02.47 | earthian | ok thanks |
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| 18:03.31 | Tobe | how can i set nfs_reserved_port_only="NO" at the nfs-server? |
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| 18:04.47 | itchi | How come it that there is now an key for the Etch? |
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| 18:05.30 | cahoot | itchi: the imminent status of stable? |
| 18:05.43 | cydork | !apt-secure |
| 18:05.43 | dpkg | methinks apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
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| 18:08.26 | itchi | cahoot: I dunno :-) |
| 18:08.52 | itchi | cahoot: Just saw it and everyone here have also /complain/ about that key here |
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| 18:09.42 | geo-rge | well not everyone |
| 18:10.13 | itchi | hehe |
| 18:10.34 | geo-rge | people who run sid should also not complain... they should encounter problems, then silently analyse, fix, upload |
| 18:10.35 | Ronin | just certain select ones ;) |
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| 18:11.10 | itchi | I have not /complain/ about it, just asked for some additional info's :-p |
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| 18:13.00 | geo-rge | I seem to recall seeing this... "...and everyone here have also /complain/ about that key here..." |
| 18:13.18 | geo-rge | oh! wait! I still see it! |
| 18:13.33 | itchi | geo-rge: Yeah! ;-) |
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| 18:14.28 | geo-rge | you'd be included in "everyone here"... however that's disproved because I am also included and I didn't complain :) |
| 18:14.28 | Flimzy | hrmph. For some reason the RPM I built for 2.6.18.3 didn't build an initrd or update the grub config |
| 18:14.50 | itchi | geo-rge: s/everyone/many/ ;-) |
| 18:14.52 | blondie | RPM? excuse me? |
| 18:14.56 | cydork | Flimzy: stop building rpms :) |
| 18:15.03 | Flimzy | cydork: I'd love to |
| 18:15.03 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 18:15.04 | Flimzy | I hate rpms |
| 18:15.13 | blondie | debian doesn't do RPMs. |
| 18:15.20 | Flimzy | blondie: yes it does. |
| 18:15.21 | Flimzy | sorta |
| 18:15.21 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 18:15.33 | zasz | !alien |
| 18:15.33 | dpkg | alien is, like, a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 18:15.35 | geo-rge | den debbie does dallas dood! |
| 18:15.47 | cydork | blondie: debian can make rpms ;) |
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| 18:15.53 | blondie | disgusting! |
| 18:15.57 | geo-rge | so why not build debian packages and alian them |
| 18:16.01 | Flimzy | blondie: Not really. |
| 18:16.08 | blondie | yes really! |
| 18:16.11 | cydork | !info rpm |
| 18:16.19 | dpkg | rpm: (Red Hat package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.4.1-12 (sid), Packaged size: 810 kB, Installed size: 3436 kB |
| 18:16.20 | Flimzy | blondie: Some vendors are dumb enough to only distribute rpms. Then alien is really nice. |
| 18:16.29 | Flimzy | You can also install rpm's directly |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | which is a nightmare :) |
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| 18:16.42 | Flimzy | Yeah, I can imagine. |
| 18:16.53 | Flimzy | It's enough of a nightmare on RH/FC |
| 18:16.59 | Flimzy | as I'm learning today! |
| 18:18.26 | h3sp4wn | Safer to turn to a tgz and look at what is in there - see if you can force it into /opt manually |
| 18:18.45 | wladek | DerJamster: it don't ask me |
| 18:18.58 | wladek | DerJamster: doesn't* |
| 18:18.58 | geo-rge | h3sp4wn: which you could also do with a debian package, and it's easier too |
| 18:19.22 | cydork | Flimzy: alien is evil! |
| 18:19.38 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: you can unpack an rpm |
| 18:20.00 | Flimzy | cydork: Good thing I'm installing rpms on FC directly then, huh? |
| 18:20.06 | Flimzy | well... I guess "good thing" is an overstatement |
| 18:20.08 | h3sp4wn | But alien converts to tgz (easily) |
| 18:20.08 | Flimzy | okay... an outright lie |
| 18:20.09 | Flimzy | I hate FC |
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| 18:20.21 | blondie | Flimzy: you may only use debian. |
| 18:20.35 | Flimzy | blondie: I don't have that option (yet) |
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| 18:20.59 | aronofsky | Hi, i got the following message when i do aptitude update, can anyone tell me what it means : W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 18:21.12 | blondie | Flimzy: orly! |
| 18:21.21 | Flimzy | blondie, ? |
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| 18:21.24 | Ronin | aronofsky: /topic |
| 18:22.26 | h3sp4wn | geo-rge: Easier to take an rpm and make a debian package ? I suppose its not that difficult but seems more difficult to me to take an existing binary and write a rules file just for one app that is only available in rpm |
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| 18:22.38 | geo-rge | no, |
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| 18:23.04 | geo-rge | easier to unpack a deb than an rpm |
| 18:23.11 | Flimzy | geo-rge: Not really. |
| 18:23.33 | Flimzy | neither is really hard |
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| 18:23.39 | Flimzy | but rpm uses more standard archival methods |
| 18:24.09 | geo-rge | which are? |
| 18:24.09 | h3sp4wn | geo-rge: Obviously if there is a deb use that - But I was talking about commercial applications only available as rpm |
| 18:24.28 | Ether_Man | Anyone know of any howto for installing debian etch over wifi? I know how to find info on actually installing on my card but how to do this during the installation? :/ |
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| 18:24.43 | Winkie | hey guys, just installed and updated to sid just fine |
| 18:24.52 | d0uglas | does inverting colors to get light text/whatever on black background save juice |
| 18:24.54 | Winkie | i need to get hold of nvidia-glx now though, and there don't seem to be packages available for 18-2? |
| 18:24.57 | h3sp4wn | Ether_Man: I would use the kanotix live cd and install with cdebootstrap |
| 18:26.14 | Ether_Man | :/ No way using just the netinstall disc? |
| 18:26.23 | Winkie | anyone here using nvidia binary drivers without compiling them themselves? |
| 18:27.18 | smhar | I finished upgrading my sarge system to etch and now I am discovering few things that seemed went wrong. One thing is the harddisk is very slow and the dma is turned off and can not be set on, another thing is the kernel, it is an smp one although I have a single P3 CPU. things work ok when I boot using the older kernel but xorg will not work. Should I change the kernel or is there another thing I can do? |
| 18:27.22 | h3sp4wn | Ether_Man: No easy way |
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| 18:27.40 | wladek | ppl, do you know why I don't have php.ini in /etc/php5 ? |
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| 18:28.07 | d0uglas | is there a java gaim i could fire up on my blackberry |
| 18:28.20 | wladek | purging, resintalling php5 (php5, php5-common, libapache2-mod-php5, php5-cli) does not help :( |
| 18:28.49 | Ether_Man | Hm.. mabie I should just plug the damn cable in and install over wire instead >_< oh well.. thanks for your help |
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| 18:30.43 | Winkie | are there no working sid debs for nvidia? |
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| 18:36.31 | cahoot | smhar: all new kernels are smp |
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| 18:37.15 | aronofsky | sorry but im not sure to understand dpkg message about 2006 key, ,thats a new key that is now include with apt current version ? |
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| 18:37.59 | d0uglas | I wonder if there's a vnc server for blackberries.. man that would be badass (if it's even possible) |
| 18:38.04 | Tuxguy | If I want a script to cron run every minute, do I have to do like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60 ? |
| 18:38.09 | Tuxguy | Or can I put an * in the minute field? |
| 18:38.14 | stew | Tuxguy: * |
| 18:38.31 | Ether_Man | What version is on the netinst etch cd? |
| 18:38.37 | Ether_Man | is the kernel* |
| 18:38.38 | stew | Tuxguy: and if you want every 2 minutes, you can use */2 |
| 18:38.53 | Tuxguy | stew, cool, thank you :) |
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| 18:39.16 | stew | Ether_Man: 2.6.17 currently afaik, it will be 2.6.18 when it releases |
| 18:39.30 | jeward | Hi, I'm installing an etch machine, but can't find a valid mirror? |
| 18:39.31 | Ether_Man | stew: thanks :) |
| 18:39.36 | zinx | Tuxguy: you can use *, or /1 |
| 18:39.49 | Tuxguy | stew, and then << /dev/null ? |
| 18:39.59 | stew | Tuxguy: what's that? |
| 18:40.08 | aronofsky | jeward, what do you mean ? |
| 18:40.15 | Tuxguy | stew, i think to pipe it so that it doesnt email you |
| 18:40.32 | zinx | Tuxguy: man 5 crontab |
| 18:40.52 | stew | Tuxguy: that would be "> /dev/null" and/or "2> /dev/null" |
| 18:40.53 | aronofsky | can anyone give me more details , im not sure to understand dpkg message about 2006 key, ,thats a new key that is now include with apt current version ? |
| 18:41.30 | stew | aronofsky: 2006 is the old key. "/msg dpkg etch key" lists a newer key that is being used to sign the repositories which is not yet included in the debian keyring |
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| 18:42.45 | smhar | cahoot, ok .. so the kernel might not be the problem .. what could be? why is it that whever I try hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda the system freezes? |
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| 18:43.06 | widrone | jeward: Default not working? Where are you close too? How many you try? |
| 18:43.07 | cahoot | smhar: I'd check dmesg for clues |
| 18:43.16 | aronofsky | Stew, ok thx , but I really dont understand that sentence : 2006 key is, like, apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. |
| 18:43.30 | jatt | when will be the topic updated accordingly? Or the dpkg message fixed? |
| 18:44.06 | stew | jatt: the topic was updated |
| 18:44.49 | stew | aronofsky: its saying that if you have apt 0.6.43.1 or later, you don't need to add the 2006 key |
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| 18:45.06 | stew | jatt: and the factoids are already correct |
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| 18:45.47 | jatt | I'm glad to hear that |
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| 18:46.38 | aronofsky | Stew, ok thx, and just to know, how comes a new key appeared like that without beein automatically included in updates ? |
| 18:46.51 | grendal_prime | whats the command for file count again? |
| 18:47.19 | grendal_prime | say i want to find out the number of files on a hd |
| 18:47.25 | stew | aronofsky: i'm not sure, i expect an announcement to be made soon on d-d-a |
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| 18:47.48 | grendal_prime | i though there wa s a command that just pulled that info...like magically delicousely fast? |
| 18:47.59 | aronofsky | Stew, d-d-a ? |
| 18:48.02 | grendal_prime | please |
| 18:48.12 | stew | aronofsky: lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce |
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| 18:48.28 | Sargun | Write a two sentence or lesser long description of Debian. |
| 18:48.59 | odla | Sargun: debian is fun? |
| 18:49.13 | stew | Sargun: http://debian.org |
| 18:49.17 | odla | Sargun: debian...it's better than gentoo? |
| 18:49.20 | zasz | Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux. |
| 18:49.31 | earthian | !sid key |
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| 18:49.41 | odla | !key sid |
| 18:49.49 | earthian | ? |
| 18:49.51 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 18:49.54 | earthian | !key etch |
| 18:49.55 | Sargun | A description that talks about debian's uniqueness. |
| 18:49.59 | earthian | !etch key |
| 18:49.59 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 18:50.05 | earthian | that works but not sid :S |
| 18:50.09 | earthian | what is sid key? |
| 18:50.17 | earthian | i need one for sid sources |
| 18:50.17 | odla | Sargun: debian 1000 developers can't be wrong? |
| 18:50.30 | jatt | earthian the sid key is the one you get with !key |
| 18:50.36 | stew | Sargun: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 18:50.46 | ^rob^ | i need a little help to be able to make wpa_supplicant start on boot - i use ralink rt and WPAPSK/TKIP/EAP-MSCHAPv2 |
| 18:51.01 | ^rob^ | i can start manually the connection |
| 18:51.04 | earthian | !key |
| 18:51.04 | dpkg | key is, like, gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 18:51.05 | ^rob^ | then ppp |
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| 18:51.39 | stew | earthian: sid uses the same key as etch |
| 18:51.57 | earthian | then why: |
| 18:51.58 | earthian | gpg: Signature made Tue 07 Nov 2006 07:28:40 PM EET using DSA key ID 41954920 |
| 18:51.58 | earthian | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 18:52.17 | earthian | i update the key today with !etch key |
| 18:52.23 | earthian | !etch key |
| 18:52.24 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 18:52.27 | earthian | that one ^ |
| 18:52.45 | earthian | or maybe i cant use sid sources on etch? :( |
| 18:53.14 | odla | Sargun: why? |
| 18:53.36 | jatt | what a mess |
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| 18:54.03 | stew | earthian: are you sure you don't have any non-official sources? |
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| 18:54.13 | stew | earthian: that one is key 41954920: public key "Frederik Schüler <fs@debian.org>" |
| 18:54.24 | stew | earthian: in any case, to add it: /msg dpkg apt-key 41954920 |
| 18:54.27 | ^rob^ | !ifplugd |
| 18:54.27 | dpkg | hmm... ifplugd is a laptop users best friend. ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. |
| 18:54.46 | pickcoder | gah |
| 18:55.24 | cydork | damn i am addicted to compiz, just cant go back to flux :P |
| 18:55.30 | jatt | the only key that worked for me in sid was: |
| 18:55.30 | jatt | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 |
| 18:55.30 | jatt | apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 18:55.33 | odla | cydork: have you tried beryl? |
| 18:55.36 | Ronin | cydork: traitor ;) |
| 18:55.36 | odla | it's awesome |
| 18:55.44 | odla | Ronin: don't you use kde? |
| 18:55.55 | odla | :D |
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| 18:56.07 | cydork | odla, what's there in beryl? and it's not in debian yet :P |
| 18:56.07 | odla | i know i'm thinking of Roey |
| 18:56.10 | odla | sorry i lie |
| 18:56.23 | Ronin | odla: heh nope, wife would kill me if i moved off of fluxbox |
| 18:56.25 | Roey | what |
| 18:56.26 | Roey | what about me |
| 18:56.28 | stew | jatt: why didn't "gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -" work? |
| 18:56.34 | odla | cydork: there are 3rd party packages available on the beryl wiki for debian |
| 18:56.39 | Roey | odla: ? |
| 18:56.47 | Ronin | Roey: no one said your nick |
| 18:56.53 | Roey | odla did |
| 18:56.58 | odla | i did |
| 18:57.01 | Roey | about me? or about you Ronin? |
| 18:57.05 | cydork | odla, those are for ubuntu, i wont install it.. Over my dead body :P |
| 18:57.07 | Roey | eh whatever ping me if ya need me. |
| 18:57.10 | odla | i just mean that Roey is in #debian-kde |
| 18:57.16 | Roey | oh, aye |
| 18:57.17 | odla | meant |
| 18:57.19 | Roey | did I misconfigure something, or does szmodem receive detection not work anymore in Konsole?? |
| 18:57.26 | Ronin | ahh |
| 18:57.32 | odla | Roey: you didn't miss anything |
| 18:57.36 | Roey | ok |
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| 18:57.58 | Red_Cloud | Could someone do me a favor for me? I am not able to connect to irc.linuxfromscratch.org Would you have time to see if their server is up and going? or whether I have a configuration problem on my end? |
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| 18:59.17 | earthian | hm |
| 18:59.24 | earthian | where is the package from : |
| 18:59.25 | earthian | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 41954920 ; gpg --export 41954920 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 18:59.28 | earthian | oph |
| 18:59.30 | earthian | sorry |
| 18:59.36 | earthian | here |
| 18:59.37 | earthian | E: Build-Depends dependency for linux-latest-2.6 cannot be satisfied because the package linux-support-2.6.18-2 cannot be found |
| 18:59.45 | earthian | :| |
| 18:59.58 | khaleel | hi again everyone.talk about not using gui ROOT |
| 18:59.58 | khaleel | cannot connect other wise to internet! |
| 19:00.44 | khaleel | i tried kppp (as a single user.) its like frigging playing hide and seek with my usr 56k External modem |
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| 19:01.21 | khaleel | sometime /dev/ttyS0 detects , other time doesnot ! (other distros like slackware11 and pclinuxos 0.93 are ) detecting it meaning my modem is eitehr correct or has a *thing* for debian |
| 19:01.21 | khaleel | even as root i get a pppd error code 1 |
| 19:02.43 | abrotman | khaleel: you have to be in the right group |
| 19:02.49 | jnguy | er. I have a bit of a vague question. |
| 19:02.53 | pickcoder | khaleel: is mgetty running on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:03.05 | jnguy | anything odd happen to sound in debian/linux in the last couple of weeks. |
| 19:03.06 | earthian | !question |
| 19:03.06 | dpkg | You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>. |
| 19:03.46 | khaleel | abchirk_, i think root in kde is a potentially right groupie |
| 19:03.52 | earthian | jnguy, like debian killing little babies? |
| 19:03.52 | khaleel | pickcoder, how do i check if its running ? |
| 19:03.57 | earthian | no |
| 19:03.57 | earthian | :) |
| 19:04.10 | pickcoder | khaleel: you have to set it up, so you should know if it's there or not |
| 19:04.19 | khaleel | the details of kpppp are http://rafb.net/paste/results/kS5LOr29.html |
| 19:04.28 | pickcoder | unless you're running ubuntu... |
| 19:04.32 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:04.39 | mcnaft | !help kernel-image |
| 19:04.58 | khaleel | -------but i didnot loose heart....i connected like i did last time.......... |
| 19:04.58 | khaleel | GUI root login in Gnome -->network settings--->modem connection (online! ) |
| 19:05.05 | mcnaft | !help linux-image |
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| 19:05.25 | pickcoder | mcnaft: try privmsg'd dpkg |
| 19:05.30 | earthian | mcnaft, use packages.debian.org |
| 19:05.33 | pickcoder | s/'d/'ing |
| 19:05.44 | LordNazgul | how would i go about finding all files with a specific file extension and move them to a single location? |
| 19:06.19 | cydork | LordNazgul, man find |
| 19:06.24 | pickcoder | LordNazgul: google |
| 19:06.32 | khaleel | pickcoder, in SUSE 9.2 , pclinux 0.92 , Pclinux0.93 , Slackware 11 heres I ran this modem -->kppp , configure -->modems --> new -- > give a name to modem , select /dev/ttyS0 , to be on safeside query it and bang ! |
| 19:06.32 | pickcoder | that's a _really_ basic *nix skill |
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| 19:07.03 | khaleel | pickcoder, for accounts went to kppp -->accounts -->new -->add stuff (conn. name , phone no thats it ) |
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| 19:07.25 | pickcoder | khaleel: I haven't used a modem for PPP since 2001, so I'm probably a little rusty on modem setups |
| 19:07.43 | khaleel | pickcoder, kppp and add usename + passwd ME ON LINE |
| 19:07.43 | khaleel | pickcoder, seems debian is some tough mother i cant bargain with |
| 19:07.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:07.45 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 19:08.30 | pickcoder | khaleel: get it working in the console first |
| 19:08.36 | pickcoder | khaleel: then move on to using K tools |
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| 19:09.04 | khaleel | pickcoder, thanks for concern though |
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| 19:09.38 | pickcoder | khaleel: http://tvilda.stilius.net/callback_en.php |
| 19:10.08 | pickcoder | that was one of the first matches in Google |
| 19:10.11 | pickcoder | for debian PPP |
| 19:10.55 | khaleel | pickcoder, got any idea from where I can get a-how-to-setup-internet-connection-which-used-to-be-set-up-in-no-of-clicks-by-a n00b ? |
| 19:10.55 | khaleel | pickcoder, thanks.will visist soon |
| 19:10.58 | smacnay | I am converting from mbox to maildir format. I used mb2md and all seemed to work. However, mutt doesn't see the converted folders under ~/Maildir that mirrored the mbox files found under ~/Mail. Are there some considerations in altering mail clients to see Maildir format? |
| 19:11.18 | pickcoder | you need to understand how it works in the command line in order to debug GUI problems |
| 19:11.25 | smhar | cahoot, please check dmesg here http://channels.debian.net/paste/4567 . sorry for the delay.. the system is so slow to switch between browser, irc client, console and text editor.. not it is not a memory issue.. I nnever had this problem before :-) |
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| 19:12.28 | zmotok | hey, anyone have an idea why in openoffice.org no accented characters show up? (i asked in #users.ooo and they redirected me here, saying it's my debian's problem) |
| 19:13.01 | pickcoder | smacnay: .muttrc? |
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| 19:13.03 | Flimzy | zmotok: are you using a funky font? |
| 19:13.09 | pickcoder | smacnay: http://www.dotfiles.com/files/27/315_muttrc.html |
| 19:13.14 | khaleel | pickcoder, okeiz will read ASAP i solve my problem that I cannot see any options in k-control but Networking (which is empty) and periperals |
| 19:13.42 | jnguy | er. I did an apt-get upgrade... and all of a sudden oss and alsa are acting extremely weird. /dev/dsp was missing. I managed to get it back by inserting various modules (snd_pcm_oss) |
| 19:13.46 | jnguy | but, now it still don't work :) |
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| 19:14.01 | cydork | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:14.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 19:14.06 | cahoot | smhar: looks grim to me - messed up reiser or failing disk? |
| 19:14.30 | jnguy | ah |
| 19:14.33 | jnguy | cydork: much thanks. |
| 19:14.37 | jnguy | I'll try it when I get home. |
| 19:14.47 | smhar | cahoot, but when I boot using the kernel from sarge those errors do not show up |
| 19:14.54 | zmotok | Flimzy: nope, regular ones |
| 19:14.55 | jnguy | well, actually, just to throw this in there while I have your attention. It only breaks after hibernate :) |
| 19:15.10 | abrotman | shocker! |
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| 19:15.38 | cahoot | smhar: reiser bug inthe new kernel? I am no qualified |
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| 19:16.37 | aronofsky | gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1|apt-key add gives me gpg: can't open `': No such file or directory ?? |
| 19:16.49 | abrotman | !etch key |
| 19:16.49 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 19:17.07 | abrotman | aronofsky: did oyu use the - ? |
| 19:17.12 | stew | abrotman: you left off the trailing '-' |
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| 19:17.18 | abrotman | not me! |
| 19:17.27 | smhar | cahoot, so are there options for different kernels to choose from in etch or do I have to compile my own to be safe? |
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| 19:17.53 | aronofsky | abrotman, oops , my mistake, I thought it was a smiley at the end of the sentence ... im such an idiot |
| 19:18.06 | cahoot | smhar: I'd look on bugs.debian.org first |
| 19:18.07 | beewee | hi! I'm searching a program that is able to film a part of my own screen. I found one that was able to do this some time ago, but I can't remember the name. |
| 19:18.11 | abrotman | aronofsky: smiley? .. in the bot? .. dpkg contains no humor! |
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| 19:18.14 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:18.14 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 19:18.38 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 376 kB |
| 19:18.39 | abrotman | beewee: ^^ |
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| 19:18.51 | pickcoder | smhar: does that drive support DMA? |
| 19:19.04 | cydork | abrotman, yay :) |
| 19:19.31 | cahoot | pickcoder: hda: 39102337 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=38792/16/63, UDMA(100) |
| 19:19.32 | aronofsky | abrotman, sorry I forgot, my mistake |
| 19:19.37 | smhar | pickcoder, yes.. and it was working with dma on for a long time in sarge untill I decided to scratch the etch :-) |
| 19:19.50 | smacnay | pickcoder: thanks |
| 19:19.54 | beewee | abrotman, why did you say "^^"? AFAIK Alzheimer isn't unusal for people < 20, is it? ;-) |
| 19:20.01 | smhar | pickcoder, it still works with dma set on in etch when booting using the sarge kernel |
| 19:20.19 | abrotman | beewee: pointing to 'istanbul' |
| 19:20.42 | wladek | I have a problem, after reinstalling of php5 I don't have php.in in /etc/php5. Can anyone help me? |
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| 19:21.04 | beewee | ah, thx |
| 19:21.09 | abrotman | wladek: what is in /etc/php5/ ? |
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| 19:21.29 | pickcoder | smhar: hdparam -i /dev/hda |
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| 19:21.50 | pickcoder | hdparm |
| 19:21.54 | pickcoder | not hadparam |
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| 19:22.35 | sally_ | how do I find out what files are in a package that is availabe in the repository? something like apt-cache listfiles mysql-java |
| 19:22.46 | cydork | sally_, apt-file |
| 19:22.51 | abrotman | or packages.debian.org |
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| 19:23.25 | oOGneaOo | damnit, there needs to be a place where one can promote hardware that they're trying to sell |
| 19:23.40 | abrotman | slashdot ? |
| 19:23.43 | pickcoder | oOGneaOo: ebay |
| 19:23.44 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 19:23.44 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:24.04 | oOGneaOo | pickcoder: duh, but is there an interest in scsi equipment? |
| 19:24.04 | Roey | ah, slashdot culture... |
| 19:24.06 | wladek | abrotman: after installing php5, libapache2-mod-php5, php5-common, php5-cli there are dirs: apache2, cli, conf.d ; and in apache2 and cli links to conf.d ; nothing more |
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| 19:24.21 | pickcoder | oOGneaOo: you can rent people's heads for tatoo marketing |
| 19:24.25 | sally_ | cydork thanks |
| 19:24.26 | pickcoder | I think you can sell SCSI equip |
| 19:24.32 | wladek | abrotman: when i install some modules for php5 their configs go to conf.d |
| 19:24.38 | cydork | sally_, check what abrotman man too.. |
| 19:24.44 | oOGneaOo | pickcoder: yeah so do i, if someone would buy/bid :P |
| 19:24.45 | Roey | slashdot: petrifying the naked hand that feeds IT hot grits. |
| 19:24.45 | cydork | s/man/said |
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| 19:25.20 | abrotman | wladek: your php5.ini should go in /etc/php5/<something>/php5.ini |
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| 19:25.32 | pickcoder | oOGneaOo: is it a prototype |
| 19:25.41 | wladek | abrotman: but there are no such files |
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| 19:25.44 | oOGneaOo | pickcoder: no, it's the real thing: http://tinyurl.com/y77joe |
| 19:26.10 | oOGneaOo | also http://tinyurl.com/uv86t |
| 19:26.12 | pickcoder | I thought you meant it was some new gizmo |
| 19:26.21 | wladek | abrotman: in previous message when i say "php5 modules" I meant "php5 extensions" |
| 19:26.25 | oOGneaOo | oh no, those would be too much |
| 19:26.49 | pickcoder | I have several LVD drives here |
| 19:26.52 | pickcoder | and a DPT controller |
| 19:26.56 | pickcoder | with 256MB |
| 19:27.00 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 19:27.03 | pickcoder | I'm thinking about cutting them up |
| 19:27.13 | pickcoder | and making Christmas ornaments |
| 19:27.14 | oOGneaOo | what size are the LVDs? |
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| 19:27.22 | pickcoder | 18GB and 2GB |
| 19:27.29 | pickcoder | barracudas |
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| 19:27.33 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 19:27.38 | oOGneaOo | what model #'s? |
| 19:27.49 | pickcoder | dunno, I'd have to get them off the "crap pallet" |
| 19:28.02 | pickcoder | I have 2 pallets of junk |
| 19:28.09 | pickcoder | not even worthy of ebay |
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| 19:28.16 | pickcoder | 17" dell CRTs |
| 19:28.17 | oOGneaOo | i dunno.... |
| 19:28.22 | oOGneaOo | dude |
| 19:28.26 | oOGneaOo | those would sell in a heartbeat |
| 19:28.33 | pickcoder | Dimension 686s |
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| 19:28.35 | pickcoder | no memory |
| 19:28.36 | oOGneaOo | maybe at $30-$50 a pop, but they'd sell |
| 19:28.38 | abrotman | wladek: ah ok |
| 19:28.45 | abrotman | wladek: like which extension ? |
| 19:28.47 | pickcoder | poor or bad drives in them |
| 19:29.01 | pickcoder | the shipping would be like $40 on its own |
| 19:29.07 | pickcoder | for the CRts |
| 19:29.11 | oOGneaOo | well yeah |
| 19:29.11 | pickcoder | who wants to pay 100 for one? |
| 19:29.14 | oOGneaOo | that's a given |
| 19:29.16 | pickcoder | you can get a LCD for 99-120 now |
| 19:29.32 | oOGneaOo | with comparable desktop realestate? |
| 19:29.35 | pickcoder | I can't even _give_ them away |
| 19:29.42 | sandman | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 19:29.51 | oOGneaOo | pickcoder: where do you live? |
| 19:29.51 | sandman | And then it lists an ID. Anyone know what this would be from? |
| 19:29.52 | pickcoder | 17" |
| 19:29.54 | pickcoder | yes |
| 19:29.59 | pickcoder | NC |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | sandman: /topic |
| 19:30.15 | pickcoder | colleges don't want them here |
| 19:30.17 | pickcoder | anyway |
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| 19:30.49 | abrotman | pickcoder: what's your general geographic location ? |
| 19:30.59 | pickcoder | NC |
| 19:31.01 | oOGneaOo | well there are a lot of people who will pay <$100 for a monitor these days |
| 19:31.20 | pickcoder | I can be more general if you want |
| 19:31.36 | pickcoder | earth->north_america->united_states |
| 19:31.39 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:31.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: you can't find a local school to take them? or church ? or Uni student group ? |
| 19:31.54 | pickcoder | no |
| 19:32.02 | pickcoder | they want 19" CRTs or 17" LCD |
| 19:32.05 | oOGneaOo | pickcoder: craigslist? |
| 19:32.06 | abrotman | put it in craig's lsit under .. 'FREE' |
| 19:32.28 | pickcoder | I'm thinking about putting them all on my PC |
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| 19:32.51 | pickcoder | + 1 19" LCD |
| 19:33.54 | blondie | E17 the band? |
| 19:34.03 | pickcoder | I wonder how well those USB-VGA dongles work |
| 19:34.05 | cydork | !17 |
| 19:34.08 | cydork | !e7 |
| 19:34.12 | blondie | FAIL |
| 19:34.13 | cydork | bahhh |
| 19:34.19 | cydork | !e17 |
| 19:34.19 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 19:34.26 | blondie | Doctor 17? |
| 19:34.33 | oOGneaOo | development release |
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| 19:35.15 | Spacemenn | hi, how to install php5 as module on debian sarge and apache 1.3 ? |
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| 19:35.43 | pickcoder | libapache-mod-php5 |
| 19:35.50 | pickcoder | IIRC |
| 19:36.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:36.19 | Spacemenn | Package libapache-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:36.26 | Spacemenn | E: Package libapache-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
| 19:36.30 | Spacemenn | ;) |
| 19:36.47 | pickcoder | smhar: are you using an 80-pin IDE cable? |
| 19:36.48 | oOGneaOo | i love it when people give away free shit on craigslist |
| 19:36.56 | oOGneaOo | no, i mean literal 'shit' |
| 19:37.24 | abrotman | Spacemenn: are you on sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 19:37.30 | abrotman | nm |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | !tell Spacemenn about backports |
| 19:37.38 | abrotman | !tell Spacemenn about bpo |
| 19:37.43 | Spacemenn | ? |
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| 19:38.24 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
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| 19:38.28 | Spacemenn | thx |
| 19:39.04 | wladek | abrotman: I installed gd, curl and pgsql |
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| 19:39.35 | oOGneaOo | http://phoenix.craigslist.org/zip/235205791.html |
| 19:40.19 | oOGneaOo | "This is good clean horse manure, no weeds like steer manure." |
| 19:40.25 | abrotman | wladek: okay .. and they don't work ? are the extensions uncommented in the php.ini ? |
| 19:40.30 | oOGneaOo | sorry, i'm stopping now :) |
| 19:41.33 | buggarage | and my rolling quickie is back too whoohoooooo |
| 19:41.36 | ttyS1 | when I boot I can log in the system but it tells me the file system is read only. |
| 19:42.03 | sally_ | I have mysql-java installed but apt-file list mysql-java returns nothing, and I just did an apt-file update |
| 19:42.19 | Spacemenn | fastest way to check which debian I use? |
| 19:42.41 | vince36 | ttyS1, cat /etc/fstab ? |
| 19:43.17 | abrotman | !version |
| 19:43.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 19:43.39 | cydork | Spacemenn, remember it :) |
| 19:44.01 | Tobe | how can i set the nfs-server to use a port > 1024 |
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| 19:46.49 | eeyore- | Tobe: uh ... |
| 19:46.53 | eeyore- | Tobe: what? |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | non-priveldged port |
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| 19:47.46 | abrotman | wants to run nfs exports as a user ? |
| 19:47.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: but ... that's the point of portmap, no? |
| 19:49.41 | futex | anyone know how activate compiz on xfce please? |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | so perhaps he's asking how to use portmap ? |
| 19:49.45 | abrotman | Tobe: ? |
| 19:50.06 | Eulex | kill xfwm4... start compiz? |
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| 19:50.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: i am guessing it has something to do with firewalls |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: eheh .. you said 'fire' |
| 19:51.30 | Azar | it's ok abrotman, we still love you |
| 19:51.41 | eeyore- | because, afaict, the "nfs" services themselves run on port 2049 |
| 19:51.45 | eeyore- | abrotman: what's up? |
| 19:52.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: we had a non-test fire today! .. but no real fire |
| 19:52.16 | eeyore- | oh? |
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| 19:52.25 | eeyore- | did the sprinklers go off? |
| 19:52.27 | abrotman | we're in a shared office building .. |
| 19:52.30 | abrotman | no .. no sprinklers |
| 19:52.37 | Azar | the bread toaster or burned milk is the culprit in most cases |
| 19:52.44 | eeyore- | damage? |
| 19:52.48 | abrotman | none i saw |
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| 19:53.08 | wladek | abrotman: the problem is that I have no php.ini in /etc/php5 |
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| 19:53.19 | wladek | abrotman: where it should be, I think.... |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | wladek: apache1 or apache2 ? |
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| 19:53.29 | wladek | abrotman: apache2 |
| 19:53.36 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:53.42 | wladek | abrotman: yes |
| 19:53.54 | abrotman | wladek: paste the contents of `ls -l /etc/php5/ |
| 19:53.56 | abrotman | wladek: paste the contents of `ls -l /etc/php5/` |
| 19:54.17 | eeyore- | the closest "fire" we came to was a user left cd in the cdrom drive running vmware, and vmware had a bug that wouldn't let the cd spin down. you guessed it. overnight. black smoke and really horrid burnt smell that you couldn't get rid of ... |
| 19:54.25 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.02 | paulswm | eeyore-: they don't call 'em CD burners for nothing :P |
| 19:55.07 | wladek | but i don't have such a file |
| 19:55.08 | wladek | :/ |
| 19:55.10 | pickcoder | mmm.. toasted silica, greencoat, and copper |
| 19:55.18 | codahale | Ok, horribly vague question: I've got a MySQL server running Sarge which occasionally has stupidly high loads (e.g., > 7). ps aux and top don't indicate anything, iowait seems reasonable. What should I be checking? |
| 19:55.32 | pickcoder | wladek: updatedb;locate php.ini |
| 19:55.57 | eeyore- | pickcoder: cyanide ... |
| 19:55.58 | wladek | http://rafb.net/paste/results/QycT9R22.html |
| 19:55.58 | kml | is the intel em64t or the amd64 or both will work on intel xeon 5050 em64t system? |
| 19:56.33 | pickcoder | amd64 supports em64t |
| 19:56.46 | Winkie | hey guys, wrong place to ask but i'm stuck, anyone know the easiest way to make gnome display local hard drive mounts on the desktop? |
| 19:56.51 | eeyore- | isn't em64t intel's name for 'we cloned amd64 instruction set'? |
| 19:56.59 | pickcoder | !tell kml about amd64 |
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| 19:57.15 | Kalupa | hello |
| 19:57.16 | kml | I believe so. |
| 19:57.23 | wladek | pickcoder: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cuAQdD50.html |
| 19:57.33 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.41 | wladek | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QycT9R22.html |
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| 19:57.52 | pickcoder | wladek: ah.. you need to pick one of them and create it |
| 19:58.05 | pickcoder | wladek: I guess debian is paranoid about php.ini globals |
| 19:58.37 | abrotman | wladek: right ... your php.ini is in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 19:58.42 | Kalupa | anyone know how I can boot linux with grub if my /boot directory is on one partition and everything else is on another? |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | or it should be anyways |
| 19:59.03 | pickcoder | smhar: so it's in UDMA5.. are you using an 80-pin cable? |
| 19:59.19 | eeyore- | Kalupa: what specific problem are you running into? |
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| 19:59.23 | wladek | pickcoder: abrotman but there is no php.ini in /etc/php5/apache2, I think there should be a default file .... |
| 19:59.28 | Winkie | kalupa: just pass the correct root= option? |
| 19:59.36 | abrotman | yes .. it should be there .. perhaps you deleted it by accident ? |
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| 19:59.43 | Kalupa | eeyore-, I'm not running into any problem, I haven't tried it yet. |
| 19:59.48 | smhar | pickcoder, this is old harddisk.. not one of the new ones but it is working find ... normally.. I am not sure about the pins but is it a wide light gray cable |
| 19:59.54 | pickcoder | wladek: you have to copy one of the php.ini-dist files |
| 19:59.57 | eeyore- | Kalupa: ok then, go do it :-) |
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| 20:00.06 | wladek | pickcoder: I don't understand why in phpinfo() I get: include_path = .:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear |
| 20:00.11 | Kalupa | Winkie, oh. that makes sense |
| 20:00.23 | pickcoder | smhar: an 80-pin cable always has thin wires and a blue controller-end connector |
| 20:00.38 | wladek | pickcoder: I thought that there should be a default php.ini in this location after installation |
| 20:00.42 | pickcoder | smhar: a 40-pin has black connectors and wide conductors like a floppy cable |
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| 20:00.56 | pulvinar | hi, I have a kelrnel panic since I add a third sata drive, initially the first two drive where on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, after the installtion of the new one, insteand of beeing on /dev/sdc he became /dev/sda.. |
| 20:01.02 | Kalupa | let me go try that |
| 20:01.04 | pickcoder | wladek: maybe debian is paranoid about enabling PHP globals and didn't create one |
| 20:01.10 | pulvinar | what can I do to force the new one to be /dev/sdc?? |
| 20:01.16 | pickcoder | wladek: there are several to choose from and edit |
| 20:01.29 | eeyore- | pulvinar: use UUID or LABEL mounting, instead of hardcoding to device names |
| 20:01.30 | Niels- | pulvinar, can't you modify grub to boot on the new label ? |
| 20:01.38 | eeyore- | pulvinar: read up on "blkid" |
| 20:01.49 | wladek | pickcoder: I know that I can create one myself, but I thought that should be a default installed ;) |
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| 20:02.07 | smhar | pickcoder, well I don't think it is blue but it is similar to floppy connector although wider and thinner |
| 20:02.23 | Winkie | eeyore: i don't think you can use UUIDs or LABELs in root= which is what he's probably getting |
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| 20:04.20 | pulvinar | yes, i am using a root= in grub... |
| 20:04.29 | pickcoder | smhar: try the old kernel and do hdparm with it |
| 20:04.34 | pulvinar | what would be a better way? |
| 20:04.37 | pickcoder | smhar: see if the UDMA/DMA mode changes |
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| 20:04.48 | eeyore- | if it's boot-related, you'll just have to start playing with the expansion card ordering ... i'm guessing the drives are on PCI cards? |
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| 20:05.42 | gouki | Oww. I just installed and tried out GLEST - really cool game (addictive) |
| 20:06.05 | smhar | pickcoder, ok.. I will need to rebbot to do that.. so I willdo it later.. but what if it changes? or not? |
| 20:06.19 | pickcoder | if nothing changes then something is up with the kernel |
| 20:06.36 | pickcoder | if it drops back to like 2 or 3 then you need to try to force a lower setting to run on an ATA100/66 cable |
| 20:07.05 | pickcoder | then again, that may not help the newer kernel |
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| 20:07.28 | pickcoder | or.. just go buy an ATA133 cable |
| 20:07.37 | earthian | hey, is there a way to make a ISO from a multimode cdrom? i.e. that cdrom has audio and data tracks |
| 20:07.41 | pickcoder | to make sure it's not the cable that's the problem |
| 20:07.58 | eeyore- | magic vs tech?!? |
| 20:08.04 | zinx | earthian: no, but you can make a .bin+.toc (cdrdao) or various other proprietary formats with both |
| 20:08.10 | eeyore- | how could tech ever win against "magic" |
| 20:08.21 | earthian | zinx, good. how? :) |
| 20:08.38 | smhar | pickcoder, ok.. let me first say.. that I did reboot with an older kernel, from sarge before .. and things seemed ok.. no error in dmesg and speed was ok.. but xorg didn't work so I went back to the new kernel |
| 20:08.39 | zinx | earthian: eh, i'm not your manpage |
| 20:08.47 | earthian | hm |
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| 20:09.00 | earthian | any tips where to start? |
| 20:09.06 | Tuxguy | How can you tell if you have a 64bit or 32bit proccessor from /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 20:09.08 | pulvinar | eeyore, the drive are directly connected to the sata conectors |
| 20:09.12 | earthian | google keywords? |
| 20:09.12 | zinx | earthian: man cdrdao? |
| 20:09.16 | earthian | ah |
| 20:09.28 | enouf | earthian: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES |
| 20:09.34 | slept | I found the ipw3945-source package, but m-a a-i ipw3945 gives me : http://pastebin.ca/254367 what am I doing wrong ? |
| 20:10.00 | smhar | pickcoder, check the dmesg with the new kernel here http://channels.debian.net/paste/4567 and see the loads of errors that do not show up when using sarge kernel |
| 20:10.08 | enouf | earthian: just as a primer .. you take it from there.. |
| 20:10.36 | pickcoder | Tuxguy: model name? |
| 20:10.37 | earthian | thanks |
| 20:10.59 | Tuxguy | Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.13GHz |
| 20:11.06 | enouf | 32bit |
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| 20:11.26 | enouf | likely a dellio too |
| 20:11.30 | smagy2 | hello folks, does anybody know if there is debian package for time:hires |
| 20:11.34 | Guerin | if you don't know whether it's 64-bit, you only need 32bit |
| 20:11.45 | Tuxguy | What would it say if it were 64? |
| 20:12.08 | enouf | Tuxguy: you need the exact model number .. use hwinfo or dmidecode |
| 20:12.12 | futex | anyone can say me how use compiz on xfce please? |
| 20:12.26 | pickcoder | I think cellys are made in 64-bit setups |
| 20:12.28 | smhar | pickcoder, I gtg now and I hope I will find you here later .. tomorrow? after I reboot the system |
| 20:12.31 | Guerin | futex: if you need to ask, you don't need it. |
| 20:12.38 | enouf | Tuxguy: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 20:12.41 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:12.45 | pickcoder | I _don't_ think cellys |
| 20:12.55 | cydork | futex, http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
| 20:12.57 | smhar | pickcoder, but thank you anyway for your time and help so far, I really appreciate it |
| 20:13.05 | enouf | celery sticks are only good for peanut butter |
| 20:13.10 | smhar | pickcoder, bye for now.. |
| 20:13.15 | pickcoder | smhar: I may be around. good luck |
| 20:13.35 | smhar | pickcoder, I've had enough of it for one night :-) |
| 20:13.38 | smhar | pickcoder, bye |
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| 20:15.08 | pickcoder | enouf: celery is one of the base ingredients of good cooking. Can't say the same for Celerons and computers |
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| 20:17.18 | enouf | Tuxguy: pickcoder: a quick assessment site: http://techreport.com/cpu/ (don't yell at me if there's flash .. I can't see that, nor do I want, using links2) REmember .. 64 vs 32 is the 'new' marketing scheme |
| 20:17.55 | DerJamster | It's too early for its time, pretty much, unles you need really special apps. |
| 20:18.10 | enouf | pickcoder: and beef stew.. celery is a delicious ingredient :-) |
| 20:18.30 | futex | thank you cydork :-) |
| 20:18.47 | Tobe | what i have to do in iptables that the nfs-server can use ports > 1024? |
| 20:19.04 | pickcoder | IMO, 64-bit is only good when you have PCI-X and a PCI-X drive controller |
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| 20:19.27 | enouf | pickcoder: tuxguy ran away .. beforehand .. like a frightened school girl .. hehe |
| 20:19.41 | pickcoder | Tobe: you shouln't have to do anything with a default setup |
| 20:19.48 | pickcoder | Tobe: did you install firewall software? |
| 20:20.06 | slept | quitte_, hello |
| 20:20.06 | enouf | pickcoder: you have a point .. now .. everyone wants to cover it with a hat! |
| 20:21.02 | enouf | pickcoder: the 'rasberry beret' called core<someshit> .. and centrino .. you buying? |
| 20:21.19 | enouf | not me pickcoder .. |
| 20:21.21 | pickcoder | rasberry beret? |
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| 20:21.27 | pickcoder | raspberry even |
| 20:21.38 | abrotman | are you going to sing ? |
| 20:21.40 | enouf | Prince! pickcoder ...his best song |
| 20:21.54 | Guerin | fucking purple dwarf |
| 20:22.01 | abrotman | never saw that video |
| 20:22.04 | Tobe | pickcoder: don't know really |
| 20:22.13 | enouf | throws a XMS radio warehouse at abrotman |
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| 20:22.58 | Tobe | pickcoder: my problem is, i have to set an exports insecure becuase i use mac osx as a client and it uses port > 1024, but i doesn't work |
| 20:23.11 | deadcat | is it possible to make it so when i press the reset button or the power button, it shutdown -r now the computer? instead of hard restart or hard shutdown? like something in inittab or something right? |
| 20:23.19 | abrotman | Tobe: so you're asking about how to export NFS on OSX ? |
| 20:23.30 | abrotman | deadcat: with acpi yes |
| 20:23.43 | Tobe | abrotman: on debian for osx |
| 20:23.49 | wladek | is there any config tool to setup network interfaces or should I edit /etc/network/interfaces with a text editor? |
| 20:23.50 | Guerin | Tobe: make it use some other port |
| 20:23.52 | GillaGal | Does anyone know how to trouble shoot a SCSI tape drive? |
| 20:23.56 | abrotman | ethtool |
| 20:24.02 | enouf | deadcat: what do you want it to do? |
| 20:24.02 | abrotman | GillaGal: start with the actual problem |
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| 20:24.12 | Tobe | Guerin: what do i have to do that? |
| 20:24.12 | wladek | abrotman: thingfish x |
| 20:24.13 | pickcoder | GillaGal: I've shot a SCSI tape drive before |
| 20:24.15 | wladek | abrotman: thx |
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| 20:24.19 | pickcoder | external 2GB Emerald System |
| 20:24.24 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 20:24.53 | deadcat | enouf: soft reboot, |
| 20:24.53 | Guerin | Tobe: how the fuck should I know, OSX is a black box. |
| 20:24.53 | GillaGal | abrotman well... the aci7xxx module is loaded... but no such device |
| 20:24.53 | abrotman | did you load the st module ? |
| 20:24.54 | enouf | deadcat: a warm noot is a soft reboot |
| 20:24.56 | deadcat | abrotman: ah. i think i dont have acpi setup. because when i do setup acpi and i shutdown -h now. it wont turn off. |
| 20:24.58 | pickcoder | Tobe: pastebin "iptables --list " |
| 20:25.03 | enouf | s/noot/boot |
| 20:25.04 | abrotman | deadcat: doh@! |
| 20:25.23 | deadcat | enouf: last time my keyboard and mouse was not responding. and i couldnt ssh in. i had to hard restart |
| 20:25.41 | enouf | deadcat: after the reboot? |
| 20:25.50 | Tobe | pickcoder: on debian or osx? |
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| 20:26.02 | enouf | deadcat: every time? |
| 20:26.11 | pickcoder | tobe: debian.. this is a debian channel |
| 20:26.55 | stew | Tobe: man exports ; look for the secure/insecure option |
| 20:27.17 | deadcat | enouf: no. i dont know what happen last time. |
| 20:27.27 | stew | Tobe: forget iptables, it has nothing to do with it |
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| 20:27.52 | enouf | deadcat: reproduce it and then come back after figuring out ... it happens when I do "this" only |
| 20:28.08 | deadcat | enouf: then i would have to wait for 40+ days (= |
| 20:28.27 | enouf | deadcat: I don't have that kinda time man! |
| 20:28.40 | deadcat | enouf: i thought it might hVE to do with the uptime |
| 20:29.15 | enouf | deadcat: stop specualting and force it .. if it's really an issue .. we haven't even begun to talk about specifics |
| 20:30.07 | Tobe | pickcoder: http://paste.debian.net/17045 |
| 20:30.17 | weedar | I have an ac97 soundcard and just need /dev/dsp to exist, do I have to install ALSA? |
| 20:30.23 | pickcoder | Tobe: read stew's responses |
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| 20:30.38 | pickcoder | btw, iptables is clear so it's not a firewall issue on Debian |
| 20:30.42 | abrotman | weedar: are oyu using alsa or OSS ? |
| 20:31.04 | enouf | oi~! |
| 20:31.06 | Tobe | ok |
| 20:31.42 | weedar | abrotman: this is a server-machine used to record video from a webcam, currently it's using neither I guess - there is no /dev/dsp yet there seems to be an ac97 module loaded |
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| 20:31.50 | lunitik | weedar: uname -r returns a 2.6 kernel |
| 20:31.52 | lunitik | ? |
| 20:32.13 | weedar | lunitik: you betcha :) 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 20:32.35 | lunitik | weedar: you probably want to install 'alsa-utils' (which depends linux-sound-base) |
| 20:32.47 | lunitik | weedar: should be a case of just turning things up from there :) |
| 20:33.32 | Tobe | stew: there are only 2 lines for "insecure". i set the export insecure but it doesn't work |
| 20:33.34 | weedar | lunitik: installing it as we speak, thanks. I thought soundcards became "installed" during system-install |
| 20:33.38 | lunitik | weedar: From now on, you can answer "I'm using alsa" when asked whether OSS or ALSA, OSS is a 2.4 thing |
| 20:33.50 | rodolfo | hi hello i'm trying to get ip by wireless but i don't know hoe to do that, i type dhcpcd eth2 and nothing happend what can i do my wireless is working and i can see the essid and my router i get signal |
| 20:33.53 | lunitik | weedar: nah... |
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| 20:34.48 | stew | Tobe: did you reexport it after editing /etc/exports? |
| 20:34.49 | lunitik | rodolfo: any security on the router? (wpa etc?) |
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| 20:35.25 | weedar | Hm, still no /dev/dsp after installing alsa-utils |
| 20:35.43 | wladek | abrotman: how to install phppgadmin (which requires php4) on apache2/php5 environment ? |
| 20:35.51 | rodolfo | rodolfo, no nothing is free |
| 20:35.59 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i don't use it .. i use psql for *everything* |
| 20:35.59 | rodolfo | lunitik, nothing |
| 20:36.02 | lunitik | weedar: lsmod | grep snd <-- return anything? |
| 20:36.09 | Tobe | stew: i restartet portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server |
| 20:36.18 | Tobe | :q! |
| 20:36.21 | lunitik | rodolfo: hmm, I've never had issues with no security on the router... |
| 20:36.23 | rodolfo | i'm trying with dhcpcd and nothing |
| 20:37.06 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:37.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 20:37.10 | abrotman | see the last part ? |
| 20:37.17 | weedar | lunitik: quite alot actually, lookie here -> http://pastebin.ca/254385 |
| 20:37.29 | rodolfo | yeah me neither but i've just disable it for connect to my router |
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| 20:38.22 | lunitik | weedar: ahhh.... snd-via82xx is ugly ... I've gotten it to work before, but its pretty finiky.... |
| 20:38.31 | Icb3a | seek some one who know how to by pass a /pass protection on an irc server :)) pv me plz |
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| 20:39.21 | weedar | lunitik: I know, I used to have one a few years ago - the sound was awful and it crashed when it felt like it. |
| 20:39.22 | lunitik | (similarly some snd-intel8x0 is pretty finicky too... both have given me headaches :( |
| 20:39.44 | david_edmundson | hey guys. my debian server is exploding after having a new HDD installed, throwing system errors everywhere. |
| 20:40.13 | david_edmundson | dmesg shows that there are SCSI errors, with messges such as |
| 20:40.14 | lunitik | weedar: I have a spare cmipci card around for such computers... never have issues with it :) |
| 20:40.32 | david_edmundson | ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0xd0/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0xb/47/00 |
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| 20:40.38 | david_edmundson | ATA: abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0xD007 |
| 20:40.40 | Tron2 | i've just installed unbuntu and the ati drivers for my 9200SE but im still getting loads of screen lag, is there anything i can do to get it running smoothly? |
| 20:40.52 | david_edmundson | tron -> #ubuntu |
| 20:40.54 | GillaGal | Icb3a: I msg'd you an solution but it's blocked by the ircd |
| 20:40.55 | lunitik | Tron2: #ubuntu |
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| 20:40.56 | crono- | Tron2: did you replace the driver in xorg.conf ? |
| 20:41.16 | weedar | lunitik: the "fun" thing is I really don't need sound, I just want to record video - but ffmpeg complains if it can't read from /dev/dsp even if it's not going to use it :) |
| 20:41.17 | lunitik | crono-: he announced he uses Ubuntu, he's a lost cause ;) |
| 20:41.28 | crono- | yes i understand |
| 20:41.31 | david_edmundson | hey, don't put him off |
| 20:41.32 | crono- | if i say im using redhat do i get shot? |
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| 20:41.39 | weedar | abrotman: thanks for the link from dpkg, running alsaconf now :) |
| 20:41.54 | lunitik | crono-: stoned.... its more fun for us :) |
| 20:41.58 | crono- | <: |
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| 20:42.34 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:43.05 | lunitik | crono-: I don't mind helping Ubuntu users... but if they are in #debian saying they use Ubuntu, its probably just going to be a frustrating journey ... |
| 20:43.12 | david_edmundson | anyway, bringing the conversation back to being all about me. I have a Via SATA card. it lasts for ~2 days, then explodes causing a full system lock up with crazy messages claiming all sorts of errors. |
| 20:43.28 | david_edmundson | (how do I use this flood channel to paste dmesg ?) |
| 20:43.38 | lunitik | !paster |
| 20:43.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:44.12 | lunitik | david_edmundson: not much we can really do about hardware issues though... |
| 20:44.19 | pickcoder-mtg | david_edmundson: is it 8251 based? |
| 20:44.29 | tonyb2006 | my organs hurt |
| 20:45.03 | david_edmundson | pasted |
| 20:45.10 | david_edmundson | well, i'm not convinced it is hardwre |
| 20:45.13 | david_edmundson | *hardware |
| 20:45.17 | Michael_ | can anyone explain what the difference between a command with "% make makefile etc" or "make makefile etc"? I was trying to compile postfix for SASL support using the readme on postfx.org/sasl_readme and i just get the error: -bash: fg: %: no such job |
| 20:45.29 | david_edmundson | % means your shell |
| 20:45.42 | david_edmundson | it's a bizzare internet convention |
| 20:45.56 | mcnaft | Hi, I put "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" in an ~/.xsession file to apply rxvt color settings when I startx, but then X quits when I try to start it...is this not the right way? |
| 20:46.02 | david_edmundson | you often seen people put a $ before parts |
| 20:46.05 | Michael_ | i see, so technically i dont need it in the comand? |
| 20:46.10 | crono- | lunitik: yeah well i figured it might be xorg related, but ive made a mental note about it now |
| 20:46.13 | david_edmundson | no |
| 20:46.34 | david_edmundson | if it was a hardware issue surely it would just not work at all? |
| 20:46.40 | david_edmundson | ^^ was back to talking about me |
| 20:46.56 | Michael_ | hm, cause for some reason postfix isnt compiling right.. i thought tha tmight be why.. |
| 20:47.10 | lunitik | david_edmundson: If its on its way to painful death, it would react very much like what you're seeing... |
| 20:47.29 | lunitik | Michael_: Why are you compiling postfix? |
| 20:47.48 | david_edmundson | great. my first non-seagate drive and it doesn't manage a month |
| 20:47.53 | pickcoder-mtg | If I'm not |
| 20:47.56 | pickcoder-mtg | mistaken.. |
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| 20:48.06 | pickcoder-mtg | gah.. typing horror |
| 20:48.13 | david_edmundson | so, HD about to die basically? |
| 20:48.16 | Michael_ | cause ive been trying to get SASL support for a week and a half, been talking to people on undernet and all anyone says is "i use debian, use thier readme and follow it exactly, it works" |
| 20:48.19 | pickcoder-mtg | postfix ships with SASL and TLS enabled |
| 20:48.29 | lunitik | david_edmundson: apparently.... fun |
| 20:48.44 | david_edmundson | especially as it's my internet gateway..it's a surprise I'm still here. |
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| 20:49.01 | Michael_ | thats another thing i was told, but all my error logs state is that SASL is enabled, but postfix is not compled with sasl support |
| 20:49.02 | crono- | david_edmundson: have you tried a SMART check on it? |
| 20:49.06 | david_edmundson | ah |
| 20:49.09 | david_edmundson | that's a good plan |
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| 20:49.28 | crono- | david_edmundson: ive had alot of my recent disk purchases go sour within half a year |
| 20:49.58 | pickcoder-mtg | the cheaper the drives get, the less reliable they get |
| 20:50.32 | abrotman | Michael_: which version of debian ? |
| 20:50.38 | Michael_ | 3.1 sarge |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | did you install postfix-tls ? |
| 20:50.59 | pickcoder-mtg | it's cheaper to say "5 year warranty" and automate return exchanges than to pay for QC staff |
| 20:51.04 | david_edmundson | bah...the really annoying part is this is awaiting it's companion disk to go into raid-1 with it. |
| 20:51.07 | david_edmundson | it'd best last out. |
| 20:51.30 | Michael_ | abrotman: yes, postfix-tls is installed |
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| 20:52.44 | abrotman | Michael_: did you read the TLS_README ? |
| 20:52.51 | abrotman | or the SASL_README |
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| 20:53.00 | Michael_ | SASL_Readme, |
| 20:53.10 | david_edmundson | In Linux, SATA disks accessed via libata are only supported by smartmontools |
| 20:53.10 | david_edmundson | for kernel versions 2.6.15 and above |
| 20:53.17 | Vixus | Hey there. I'm behind a proxy and to use apt I always have to specify export http_proxy=... before it works. Anyway to make this permanent so I don't have to keep typing it? |
| 20:53.27 | abrotman | Vixus: in your apt.conf |
| 20:53.45 | Vixus | Hey there. I'm behind a proxy and to use apt I always have to specify export http_proxy=... before it works. Anyway to make this permanent so I don't have to keep typing it? |
| 20:54.21 | david_edmundson | or you could add the export into your ~/.bashrc to make it apply to everything |
| 20:54.23 | Vixus | abrotman: I have put an apt.conf in my /etc/apt dir with the tree defining a proxy, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:54.24 | crono- | david_edmundson: yes you need a patch for sata but its included in more recent kernels |
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| 20:54.43 | david_edmundson | what's edgy's kernel at? |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | !aptproxy |
| 20:54.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptproxy is http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | david_edmundson: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:55.06 | abrotman | !apt-proxy.conf |
| 20:55.06 | dpkg | hmm... apt-proxy.conf is the Config file for apt-proxy, it is usually located in /etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy.conf , see man apt-proxy.conf for more info |
| 20:55.08 | lunitik | 2.6.17 |
| 20:55.09 | david_edmundson | not edgy, debian testing |
| 20:55.20 | lunitik | Testing is also 2.6.17 |
| 20:55.22 | david_edmundson | etch! |
| 20:55.24 | david_edmundson | sorry |
| 20:55.24 | crono- | no problem then |
| 20:55.37 | abrotman | Vixus: ignore those |
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| 20:55.58 | Vixus | abrotman: Ignore what? |
| 20:56.03 | abrotman | nm |
| 20:56.19 | Vixus | abrotman: So basically, I need apt-proxy? |
| 20:56.22 | abrotman | no |
| 20:56.24 | david_edmundson | ok, cheers guys. thanks very much |
| 20:56.37 | abrotman | Vixus: paste your apt.conf somewhere .. if need to sanitize it .. do so |
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| 20:57.03 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:57.03 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:57.16 | jnguy | er. anyone know why glxgears doesn't display the frame rate anymore? |
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| 20:57.25 | abrotman | jnguy: -printfps |
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| 20:58.42 | jnguy | abrotman: love you long time. |
| 20:58.42 | Vixus | abrotman: http://pb.spheredev.org/?id=82 <--- this file is in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 20:59.19 | jnguy | just curious abrotman, how did you know that? There doesn't appear to be manpages or --help |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | Vixus: i wonder if the 'HTTP" needs to be lower case |
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| 20:59.53 | Vixus | abrotman: Will try. |
| 20:59.53 | abrotman | jnguy: because the other flag is |
| 20:59.56 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 20:59.56 | dpkg | from memory, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 21:00.00 | abrotman | that big damn thing |
| 21:00.17 | abrotman | jnguy: they don't want people using it as a benchmark because it's not a valid benchmark |
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| 21:00.21 | jnguy | ahhh. |
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| 21:00.30 | jnguy | er... is there something people use today to benchmark things? |
| 21:00.35 | Vixus | abrotman: Nope. Still tries to access directly. |
| 21:00.47 | abrotman | Vixus: did you supply the proxy user/pass ? |
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| 21:00.55 | Vixus | abrotman: There is none. |
| 21:00.56 | abrotman | if it's needed |
| 21:01.09 | Gathond | abrotman: worked great for "benchmarkin" here (aka detecting whether acceleration works or not) |
| 21:01.21 | Gathond | then again I suppose one can see that without the numbers |
| 21:01.33 | abrotman | Gathond: it doesn't work if you have a 4.32636GHz CPU and use software rendering .. still seems to be accelerated |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | numbers-wise |
| 21:01.46 | Gathond | abrotman: well I dont:) |
| 21:02.04 | Gathond | and my ATI 9600Pro outperforms my XP 2100+ CPU by ... well alot |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | with the speed of the CPUs now .. you can get like 1200FPS just with software |
| 21:02.17 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | that's why it's not valid |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | Vixus: is the file readable by all ? |
| 21:02.44 | abrotman | (not sure it has to be .. but it might be something to check) |
| 21:02.52 | Vixus | abrotman: Not sure, chmod 755? |
| 21:02.57 | abrotman | 744 probably |
| 21:03.14 | abrotman | or maybe 755 .. doubt it has to execute it though |
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| 21:04.44 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:04.44 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:05.42 | Michael_ | alright, so abrotman, do you have any other ideas for me? or am i outta luck again |
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| 21:06.12 | Vixus | abrotman: No luck. |
| 21:06.16 | sinizzl_ | hello |
| 21:06.36 | Vixus | abrotman: http did have to be all lowercase though. I have changed that but still no result. |
| 21:06.48 | abrotman | Michael_: afaik .. that should work .. i use postfix but not tls |
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| 21:06.59 | sinizzl_ | i have a very strange issue in etch. whenever i try to launch something that is in /home/whatdirectoryever/ it says: permission denied; even as root. it's an XFS partition with _no_ "noexec" option set. anyone any ideas? |
| 21:07.16 | lanceee | hi all |
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| 21:07.28 | abrotman | Vixus: maybe try using apt-config to set the option ? |
| 21:07.34 | Vixus | abrotman: Ok |
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| 21:08.00 | abrotman | Vixus: look at the example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ too |
| 21:08.02 | lanceee | is there any ppc repository for debian sarge? |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 21:08.15 | dpkg | i guess ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 21:08.18 | shaf | sinizzl: look at /etc/fstab |
| 21:08.30 | Michael_ | thanks for your help abrotman, youve been more help than most |
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| 21:08.43 | abrotman | Michael_: just wait and ask again in a bit |
| 21:08.49 | Michael_ | will do |
| 21:09.04 | sinizzl_ | shiznix:~$ cat /etc/fstab | grep home |
| 21:09.04 | sinizzl_ | /dev/hda2 /home xfs defaults,user 0 0 |
| 21:09.16 | lanceee | dpkg thanks |
| 21:09.16 | dpkg | lanceee: pas de quoi |
| 21:09.26 | Dr-Linux | hi guys |
| 21:09.30 | robin_sz | hi |
| 21:09.42 | Vixus | abrotman: Apt-config just reads the configuration file I specified. Dunno if it applies it. |
| 21:09.45 | Dr-Linux | anybody can help me vhcs panel? |
| 21:09.50 | Dr-Linux | on debian |
| 21:10.06 | geo-rge | Dr-Linux: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | Vixus: i believe you can |
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| 21:10.14 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: vhcs isn't in debian |
| 21:10.16 | shaf | sinizzl: change to: /dev/hda2 /home xfs defaults,user,exec 0 0 |
| 21:10.26 | sinizzl_ | hmkay |
| 21:10.35 | sinizzl_ | is noexec a default value? |
| 21:10.41 | stew | sinizzl_: no |
| 21:11.16 | Vixus | abrotman: The proxy has now been assimilated into the default config, still not accessing via it though. |
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| 21:11.20 | sinizzl_ | why does it deny any execution of files (shellskripts work with sh blabla.sh, but binaries don't [./blabla.bin]) |
| 21:11.23 | sinizzl_ | ? |
| 21:11.37 | stew | sinizzl_: the files are chmod +x ? |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | Vixus: check the example .. i can only assume you missed an option |
| 21:11.42 | sinizzl_ | yes |
| 21:11.54 | sinizzl_ | (of course they are) |
| 21:12.09 | Vixus | Acquire::http::Proxy... according to the manpage that's correct. |
| 21:12.26 | stew | sinizzl_: they have #!/bin/sh as the first line? |
| 21:12.32 | robin_sz | "of course" usually means "I asumed they wer, but never bothered to check" |
| 21:12.34 | sinizzl_ | that leads to a very nasty bug in enemy territory. it launches punkbuster from the users homedirectory and so works only as root in my case (and i don't wanna play proprietary games as root ) |
| 21:12.55 | sinizzl_ | stew: for shellskripts, yes. binaries of course not. it's really not that issue |
| 21:13.03 | sinizzl_ | it has something to do with the mount options or something else |
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| 21:13.56 | sinizzl_ | whatever, gotta unmount home and try if it works with exec optiosn... till later u guys |
| 21:14.27 | Vixus | Anyone know of a good math graph plotting proggie? |
| 21:14.33 | philips | gnuplot |
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| 21:15.24 | sinizzl_ | well |
| 21:15.37 | sinizzl_ | whoever told me to mount /home/ with exec option: thx, it works now. |
| 21:15.54 | stew | sounds like a bug |
| 21:15.58 | stew | in the manpage if nowhere else |
| 21:15.59 | abrotman | gnuplot |
| 21:16.21 | Vixus | Damn... still no proxy. >:( How come the export http_proxy method works but this doesn't? |
| 21:16.22 | stew | "defaults Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async" |
| 21:16.24 | shaf | defaults changed? |
| 21:17.00 | stew | oh wait |
| 21:17.01 | Vixus | abrotman: Should I not use quotes? |
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| 21:17.07 | stew | user implies noexec though |
| 21:17.27 | stew | sinizzl_: why do you have the user option on /home |
| 21:17.29 | abrotman | Vixus: quotes? |
| 21:17.41 | stew | sinizzl_: seems like if you don't have home mounted, you couldn't have a user logged in in the forst place |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | Vixus: no .. i think you need those |
| 21:17.54 | abrotman | Vixus: that's why i todl oyu to check the example |
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| 21:18.04 | enouf | oi~1 |
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| 21:19.05 | tarzeau | does someone have a script to orphan debian packages? |
| 21:19.20 | abrotman | to orphan? why? |
| 21:19.27 | abrotman | are you quitting again ? |
| 21:19.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: to spend times with better people? |
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| 21:19.32 | shaf | stew: user implies that any user can mount /home |
| 21:19.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: did i, ever? |
| 21:19.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're quitting again ? |
| 21:19.40 | Bsims | I am looking for a good, inexpensive readly avalible webcam, that Just Works with no screwing around... Any ideas? |
| 21:19.45 | zasz | how do I enable colors on my linux box, so that they show up when I ssh in |
| 21:19.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: why again? when did i quit? |
| 21:19.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: you almost did .. you almost cancelled your NM application |
| 21:20.03 | stew | shaf: yeah, but that seems kinda silly, /home should be mounted before any such user logs in |
| 21:20.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i was talking about packages, not NM |
| 21:20.14 | abrotman | and i asked if you were giving up again |
| 21:20.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i didn't say it's my packages or someoen elses' |
| 21:20.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i never give up |
| 21:20.25 | enouf | !lose abrotman |
| 21:20.26 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 21:20.36 | shaf | stew: you are right! |
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| 21:20.42 | Cooner750 | Ok need some help here |
| 21:20.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: right .. if you say so |
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| 21:20.55 | Cooner750 | Why is apt asking for my Debian Etch disc? I dont have it with me. To install SSH |
| 21:20.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: so can you write me a script? |
| 21:21.10 | Bsims | Cooner750: change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: btw .. wtf is "tarzeau" ? |
| 21:21.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: some uniq name |
| 21:21.35 | enouf | #the CDROM entry |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:21.35 | shaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.44 | jelly | what's a brotman? |
| 21:21.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: why would i have a scirpt to orphan packages ? |
| 21:21.51 | abrotman | jelly: /whois |
| 21:21.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: you might need it one day |
| 21:22.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:22.30 | Cooner750 | Bsims: Thanks, I could've swore I told it not to use the CD during installation? Is that a bug in Etch? |
| 21:22.39 | Bsims | Beats me... |
| 21:22.49 | jelly | abrotman: oh. O:-) |
| 21:22.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll let you know when i wrote one |
| 21:22.59 | Bsims | Cooner750: did a net install many moons ago |
| 21:23.04 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:23.06 | enouf | Cooner750: I had he exact opposite issue |
| 21:23.13 | enouf | +t |
| 21:23.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: 6 more: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?gurkan%40linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:23.57 | enouf | later b0z0 |
| 21:24.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: did ganneff let emacs.app in ? |
| 21:24.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, he won't |
| 21:24.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not ? |
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| 21:24.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | After I encountered problem with apt and the public gpg key in etch I tryed following the topics example, but still get the same error 'that this key was not found on the keyserver' and 'no valid OpenPGP data was found on the keyserver'. What to do now? |
| 21:24.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: because of source code duplication that does not exist |
| 21:24.36 | abrotman | !etch key |
| 21:24.36 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:24.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm okay |
| 21:24.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: the emacs debian ships is version 21, and my package is 23 |
| 21:24.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i'll not discuss that with him |
| 21:25.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: you have a lot of bugs .. you should fix those |
| 21:25.06 | tarzeau | and he doesn't care to understand |
| 21:25.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know what? |
| 21:25.19 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: And this key was not found on this server :-/ |
| 21:25.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not my bugs, and guess what? i don't give a shit, care to read what i wrote above? |
| 21:25.35 | enouf | r00tz for the Turks! |
| 21:25.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant other bugs |
| 21:25.43 | Keith-BlindUser | Hi all.. I had a question for you folks.. I've been testing distrobutions that are based off of debian. I.e. grml, etc. Now, I've wondered.. Debian is mostly 32-bit right? Well I was wondering what are the chances of debian or debian-distro's working on my AMD-64? |
| 21:25.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll do my 100 packages, and then i've got my passport |
| 21:25.47 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: tha'ts not good |
| 21:25.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think i've closed enough bugs |
| 21:25.59 | Keith-BlindUser | I've got 1 gig RAM, 300 GB of hard-drive space, 2 CPUs in the box, etc. |
| 21:26.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: bug fixing is good! |
| 21:26.07 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:26.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:26.15 | Dr-Linux | what could be the reason, one can login to a debian server and other can't , it says Access denied |
| 21:26.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: bug reporting is good too, but what's really bad is this: |
| 21:26.19 | Dr-Linux | wrong password |
| 21:26.24 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: Yes. I searched the web and asked google and everyone uses this command but it won't work for me no matter which one I try. |
| 21:26.25 | Dr-Linux | its strange |
| 21:26.30 | tarzeau | oh well, i'm going to sleep |
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| 21:26.36 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: paste the whole output |
| 21:26.37 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:26.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 21:27.03 | javaJake | Hello |
| 21:27.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's a nice one: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?wxSand |
| 21:27.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kaBwfT27.html |
| 21:27.19 | tarzeau | but it's using the wrong toolkit |
| 21:27.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | I have the same output with the topic examples. |
| 21:27.37 | javaJake | I was wondering... if I've got the wrong key, does WPA stop at 4WAYHANDSHAKE? |
| 21:27.45 | javaJake | 'Cause I can't seem to connect. |
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| 21:27.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | Which should be the same with mine. |
| 21:27.47 | Luiz | yeah |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: read what dpkg said |
| 21:27.57 | Luiz | anyone have debian running on amd64 system? |
| 21:28.01 | tarzeau | Luiz: yes |
| 21:28.04 | Luiz | tarzeau, |
| 21:28.08 | cureless | yes |
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| 21:28.10 | Luiz | You are using debian 64? |
| 21:28.11 | abrotman | !tell WoodyWoodpecker about etch key |
| 21:28.17 | Bsims | Luiz: I do, I used straight 486 kernel |
| 21:28.20 | tarzeau | Luiz: i'm not sure what you mean by debian 64 |
| 21:28.21 | Bsims | er 586 |
| 21:28.29 | tarzeau | i use k8 kernels, 32bit mode |
| 21:28.37 | Vixus | Any frontends to gnuplot that allow me to type a function and see it rendered? |
| 21:28.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: It is the same like I said before :D |
| 21:28.42 | Luiz | the testing images |
| 21:28.44 | tarzeau | Vixus: yeah |
| 21:28.44 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: show me |
| 21:28.49 | Luiz | from site are broken? |
| 21:29.00 | tarzeau | Vixus: http://www.edenwaith.com/products/edengraph/ |
| 21:29.13 | Bsims | Anyone got a good, current production webcam to recommend? |
| 21:29.14 | cureless | Luiz: I use it in one of my systems just fine |
| 21:29.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dGgL2A87.html |
| 21:29.25 | Luiz | cureless, |
| 21:29.31 | Luiz | where you donwload image? |
| 21:29.47 | cureless | Luiz: probably the debian site, netinst image |
| 21:29.50 | Luiz | i download image today and i got "Unable to install initramfs-tools" |
| 21:30.09 | niles | hi gang |
| 21:30.16 | Vixus | tarzeau: Mac OS X? ... |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: leave off the sudo part .. you're already running it as root .. so like this |
| 21:30.25 | tarzeau | Vixus: or gnustep |
| 21:30.26 | Luiz | cureless, you can solve this? |
| 21:30.34 | Bsims | niles: wget http:Foo.com |
| 21:30.35 | abrotman | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | apt-key add -; |
| 21:30.41 | niles | oh ok |
| 21:30.46 | niles | Bsims: thanx pal |
| 21:30.52 | Bsims | Not a problem |
| 21:30.53 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: or like this |
| 21:30.55 | cureless | Luiz: well, I didn't have that problem. What kind of image did you download? fulll? netinst? businesscard? |
| 21:31.03 | abrotman | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | apt-key add -; |
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| 21:31.31 | Luiz | cureless, CD 1 |
| 21:31.31 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: Both of your examples does not change a thing. |
| 21:31.38 | robin_sz | Bsims, by "webcam" do you mean camera with an ethernet port, accessible via $randomProtocol over the 'net or do you mean USB camera to plug into some sort of Linux box and run some sort of application to act as a web cam? |
| 21:31.41 | javaJake | Does anyone know where I can get HostAP support? |
| 21:31.45 | javaJake | Besides mailing lists |
| 21:31.48 | javaJake | :) |
| 21:31.48 | abrotman | did they remove the stupid key ? |
| 21:31.49 | Bsims | robin_sz: USB |
| 21:31.55 | WoodyWoodpecker | You have to know like 10 hours ago I did the last upgrade and it worked. |
| 21:31.59 | Vixus | I want qgfe in deb form. :D |
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| 21:32.07 | WoodyWoodpecker | Why, should I? |
| 21:32.09 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: what key are you missing? |
| 21:32.09 | Cooner750 | I'd assume someone here has heard of the Wildfire Jabber Server from Jive Software. How can I make running /opt/wildfire/bin/ and then ./wildfire start as a Service? So that it will start automatically at boot? |
| 21:32.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | No I did not. |
| 21:32.16 | Bsims | robin_sz: usb to use with amsn |
| 21:32.31 | robin_sz | amsn? |
| 21:32.34 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: not you .. the pgp server :) |
| 21:32.42 | Cooner750 | I've had issues with power outages and my server reboots but Wildfire does not start automatically because Wildfire has to be started manually, as I do not know how to do it any other way |
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| 21:32.54 | cureless | Luiz: well, I don't know. I used the netinst cd, worked fine. Maybe there has been a new installer release since then that has a bug. |
| 21:32.59 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vIGzb446.html |
| 21:32.59 | abrotman | yay keys! |
| 21:33.04 | Luiz | cureless, |
| 21:33.14 | Bsims | robin_sz: msn messenger clone |
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| 21:33.24 | Luiz | you are using etch RC1 release or current weekly snapshots? |
| 21:33.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | But remember I tryed different server too :D |
| 21:34.01 | robin_sz | Bsims, so you need the camera to have video4linux supprot right? |
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| 21:35.35 | robin_sz | Cooner750, you'll need some sort of script in etc/init.d/ linked from the appropriate run-level directory to start and stop Wildfire |
| 21:35.40 | cureless | Luiz: for the installer I would have probably chosen some RC, not a weekly snapshot. For the server I dist-upgrade almost every day. |
| 21:35.58 | Bsims | robin_sz: Yeah. |
| 21:36.21 | robin_sz | Bsims, Ive been using soem really cheap (like less than £10) cameras from PC world for camera stuff, but I dont think they have V4L support |
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| 21:36.56 | Bsims | Ah, I intend todo web chat with it |
| 21:36.58 | Michael_ | I am trying to set up postfix to work with SASL so i can use thunderbirnd on my laptop from work or travel, etc. For the past week, everyone has been telling me if i follow the SASL_README at postfix.org then it will work, and it involves compiling postfix. well, it hasnt worked, and I am looking for a bit of guidance |
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| 21:37.54 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: are you really sure what dpkg told you (!etch key) didn't work? |
| 21:38.08 | Seb | heya fellows |
| 21:38.13 | Seb | i have a debian box offline |
| 21:38.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Yes I am sure. |
| 21:38.17 | Seb | and I need to reinstall a package |
| 21:38.20 | robin_sz | Bsims, I used a Quickcam quite alot and that worked well, until the driver problems began in the kernel |
| 21:38.28 | Luiz | cureless, |
| 21:38.30 | Luiz | thanks |
| 21:38.31 | Seb | but apt-get says it can't be downloaded, although it is already in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:38.31 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: have you run just the import part? |
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| 21:38.49 | Seb | and apt-cache show thepackage yields the same version as what's in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:38.50 | Cooner750 | How do i go about unpacking a .war ? |
| 21:38.55 | Seb | so i'm unsure how to troubelshoot any further |
| 21:38.57 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 --> does it say anything? |
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| 21:39.01 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: I am trying this for a couple of hours now, searching the net for someone who had the same problem. Trying to figure out why this won't work with me but for lots of other people etc. |
| 21:39.02 | Seb | Cooner750: jar xvf ... |
| 21:39.07 | Seb | Cooner750: iirc tar will do too |
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| 21:39.23 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: I had the same problem, solved it with the info from dpkg |
| 21:39.26 | Cooner750 | Just doing a little experimenting with JWChat and Wildfire |
| 21:39.40 | Bsims | robin_sz: Yeah that is why I am asking about now <g> |
| 21:39.48 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: what does gpg say to that command? |
| 21:39.58 | static_x_ | does anyone know when etch is being released, is it the end of november or december? |
| 21:39.59 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Yes, it tells me that this key is not found on the server and that no valid OpenPGP data was found. |
| 21:40.12 | Keith-BlindUser | I was wondering if anyone has hurd of the HWInfo shell script, that collects hardware informaton? I've got an info.Tar.BZ2 file online that I've been trying to get someone to look at. It's an output of everything when I ran a debian CD-Rom off my AMD64. (a 32-bit OS) I just need some feedback on making sure I know what really works, and what doesn't..any suggestions on what I could do about gathering the feedback I'm loking |
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| 21:40.33 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: did you do a copy paste of that or did you write the command yourself (or copied the key from apt's error)? |
| 21:40.58 | cureless | static_x_: etch will be released when it's ready |
| 21:41.17 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: I copy+paste'ed it. |
| 21:41.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | Oh I am sorry, I copyed it from the apt's error. |
| 21:42.07 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: did you try it now from irc? |
| 21:42.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | I mean I was running an xterm and run the given examples and copy-pasted it from there to the paste-page. |
| 21:42.43 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: What do you mean try it from IRC? |
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| 21:43.01 | static_x_ | cureless - have you any idea when? as i was going to install debian tomorrow, but was thiking about holding on (cant wait if its going to be more than 2 weeks) |
| 21:43.03 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: copy and paste it from what dpkg says: |
| 21:43.07 | cureless | !etch key |
| 21:43.08 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:43.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | Same error cureless. |
| 21:43.36 | WoodyWoodpecker | Damed apt ... |
| 21:43.40 | cureless | static_x_: just use etch, it's not like it's not working |
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| 21:44.09 | cureless | abrotman: you mean now or always? |
| 21:44.17 | abrotman | just now .. just once |
| 21:44.22 | stew | abortman! |
| 21:44.30 | abrotman | i highlight on that! |
| 21:44.40 | abrotman | !nopony stew |
| 21:44.40 | dpkg | stew: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 21:45.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: I have debian-archive-keyring installed if that is important. |
| 21:45.54 | womble | Hi, I'm having trouble with getting PCI devices to work on the 2.6 kernel, 2.4 works fine. I've checked lspci and the NIC that I want to get working isn't even turning up on 2.6... Can anyone help with a useful link etc? |
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| 21:46.14 | aFlag | hello |
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| 21:47.07 | ttyS1 | can I install oracle on debian ? I notice the install utility for oracle doesn't run unless it detects a redhat or united linux system |
| 21:47.10 | samaan | aFlag: hi |
| 21:47.13 | abrotman | womble: which PCI device? |
| 21:47.53 | aFlag | I'm using etch and I just had a problem when doing ``apt-get update''. Does anyone know what could it be? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/NzTIqN15.html |
| 21:48.00 | aFlag | samaan: hi |
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| 21:48.14 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: does the first part give you anything or does it still fail? |
| 21:48.28 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 21:49.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | Error that no valid OpenPGP data was found. |
| 21:49.11 | shaf | aFlag: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:49.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | I will remove all the keys with apt-key del and start from scratch. |
| 21:49.25 | Dr-Linux | hhm.. |
| 21:49.26 | Dr-Linux | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:49.26 | Dr-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.37 | aFlag | shaf: thanks |
| 21:49.38 | womble | abrotman: 3C905-TX |
| 21:49.44 | Dr-Linux | i'm installing something i got this error |
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| 21:50.24 | WoodyWoodpecker | aFlag: Hey, I am having the same probs. I am not able to fix it ; even with the supported example from the topic. Please leave a note if it worked or not. |
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| 21:51.57 | aFlag | WoodyWoodpecker: what shaf said worked here |
| 21:52.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | wtf |
| 21:52.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | I won't work here. |
| 21:52.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | *It |
| 21:52.24 | Dr-Linux | any clue? |
| 21:52.35 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dr-Linux: poste the comple error. |
| 21:53.21 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: are you using the same server or a different server? |
| 21:53.21 | Dr-Linux | WoodyWoodpecker: error i /msg you |
| 21:53.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: I tryed more than one. |
| 21:53.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | I tryed everyone I could pick up in the last couple of hours. |
| 21:54.13 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: but when you copied pasted, you used the same one right? |
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| 21:54.48 | womble | abrotman: I can dump the lspci to #flood if it's helpful? |
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| 21:54.50 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, when I'm doing an apt-get update which TCP or UDP ports are used . |
| 21:54.54 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Yes. |
| 21:55.20 | womble | Fahrenheit: Port 80 I beleive |
| 21:55.24 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: ok, I just submitted the key to pgp.mit.edu |
| 21:55.32 | womble | Fahrenheit: Normal HTTP traffic |
| 21:55.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | I will try it. |
| 21:55.41 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: go there and search for ftpmaster@debian.org, choose the etch key |
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| 21:55.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | give me a sec. |
| 21:55.50 | Fahrenheit | k, thx |
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| 21:56.08 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: you can do it via the website if the --recv-keys doesn't work |
| 21:56.29 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 21:56.32 | WoodyWoodpecker | Ok, this didn't work. |
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| 21:57.49 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: are you behind a firewall? |
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| 21:58.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Yes, but it worked before. |
| 21:58.19 | WoodyWoodpecker | I will shot them down. |
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| 21:58.40 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: I would run tcpdump and see if you're actually getting anywhere |
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| 21:59.35 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: check to see if you can access port 11371 |
| 22:00.02 | flamesro1k | do you guys know any alternatives to linode? Like a webhosting service which gives you root access? |
| 22:00.07 | abrotman | !Paster |
| 22:00.07 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:00.09 | abrotman | womble: ^^ |
| 22:00.16 | abrotman | womble: should work fine afaik |
| 22:00.26 | Michael_ | has anyone set up SASL for postfix? ive been following different readmes and guides online with no luck, no matter what I try, I get an error saying postfix doesnt have SASL support.. when it should |
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| 22:00.50 | cureless | Michael_: I have, it works. I don't remember everything I folllowed though |
| 22:01.00 | cureless | s/lll/ll/ |
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| 22:01.24 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: port on which machine? |
| 22:01.37 | womble | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4571 |
| 22:01.50 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: on pgp.mit.edu or subkeys, it's the pgp keyserver port |
| 22:02.14 | abrotman | womble: you have two NICs |
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| 22:02.30 | womble | abrotman: Yes, onboard via-rhine and 3c905 |
| 22:02.33 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: at any rate you should be able to get the key from pgp.mit.edu's web interface. Otherwise, run tcpdump -n port 11371 , then try the gpg --recv-keys see what you get |
| 22:02.41 | abrotman | womble: no .. the 3c905 isn't there at all |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | womble: doh! |
| 22:03.02 | abrotman | womble: if you boot 2.4 .. it still works ? |
| 22:03.02 | womble | abrotman: That's the problem -- that was using 2.6.27, I'll paste the 2.4.27 results... |
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| 22:03.49 | womble | abrotman: Yup, here's the lspci from 2.4.27: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4572 |
| 22:04.17 | Michael_ | ok easy question, when i use apt-get remove postfix, it wants to remove courier-imap and mysql-server as well, is there a way to stop it from doing that? |
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| 22:04.34 | abrotman | womble: okay .. that's just goofy |
| 22:04.40 | abrotman | Michael_: install an MTA |
| 22:04.56 | abrotman | womble: i suspect a PCI conflict of some sort |
| 22:05.03 | Michael_ | abrotman: but what if i just want to purge postfix and reinstall it? |
| 22:05.07 | abrotman | though .. that doens't make sense considering it's the same hardware |
| 22:05.14 | abrotman | Michael_: apt-get --reinstall install postfix |
| 22:05.52 | abrotman | womble: you realize you have a #5 bus ? |
| 22:05.56 | womble | abrotman: That's what I reckon, a difference is that the 2.6 picks up the on-board sound (despite being switched off in bios) and the 2.4 doesn't |
| 22:06.00 | abrotman | or whatever that number is |
| 22:06.08 | womble | abrotman: Yeah, I saw that -- what's that? |
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| 22:06.25 | abrotman | womble: no freaking idea .. i've never seen a 05:xx |
| 22:06.33 | abrotman | womble: try another slot ? |
| 22:06.34 | womble | abrotman: Oh dear :P |
| 22:06.41 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:06.50 | abrotman | oh bother |
| 22:06.54 | womble | abrotman: Yeah, I have, only two slots and that's the second |
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| 22:07.13 | solars_ | can anyone tell me how to map the hex key value of a keypress to the right keycode with setkeycodes, to map it to XF86Foo, I tried hexvalue -> dec+128 but it does not work .. |
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| 22:07.18 | womble | !whats my hardware |
| 22:07.19 | womble | ? |
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| 22:07.34 | warren | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/gaim/debian/patches/02_gnthistory-in-gtk.patch?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 Can someone help me figure out the actual svn address to grab this file intact? |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | stupid bot |
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| 22:08.05 | abrotman | whats my hardware<reply>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 22:08.11 | Mnabil | hello, when i type cron in the shell i got that error : cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2370: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 22:08.20 | Mnabil | what gonna i do ? |
| 22:08.20 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Ok, I downloaded the key (via http) and I am going to do a: apt-key add /my/file/with/the/key |
| 22:08.33 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or should I do something before I add it. |
| 22:08.57 | jamesd_ | Mnabil, crontab will allow you to edit cron entries... man crontab is highly recomended reading |
| 22:09.15 | womble | abrotman: Motherboard is Asus P5V800-MX |
| 22:09.23 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: I don't really know the apt-key flags, but chances are you're not going to mess it up. You can always just import it to your keyring and export it (binary) to apt-key |
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| 22:09.35 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: did you check with tcpdump if you were getting anywhere? |
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| 22:10.25 | abrotman | womble: i meant try hwinfo |
| 22:10.34 | abrotman | womble: is it PCMCIA ? |
| 22:10.50 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: I added it and it worked. Yes I was receiving data. |
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| 22:11.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | So, now I don't get errors any more. |
| 22:11.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | But I don't know why it didn't work up till now. |
| 22:11.21 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: hmm, strange. I wonder why you couldn't get the key. |
| 22:11.43 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: it still hasn't worked, the --recv-key command should work (even now) and tell you that it found the key. |
| 22:12.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Like I say I wrote the firewall and I know what it is able to do and what not. It was not the fault of the FW. And like I told you earlier it worked some time back without any problems. |
| 22:12.20 | WoodyWoodpecker | Ok, I will try. |
| 22:12.31 | womble | abrotman: Nope, standard PCI... Installed hwinfo and there's a metric sh*tload of information -- check that for 3c? |
| 22:12.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 22:12.45 | WoodyWoodpecker | This command does not find any key :-(( |
| 22:12.55 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: oh, I didn't get the part that you wrote the firewall, I just thought you would be mad a the people who administer it if things didn't work. |
| 22:12.57 | abrotman | womble: yeah |
| 22:13.00 | abrotman | womble: in the 2.6 |
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| 22:13.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | I will try an other keyserver. |
| 22:13.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | And yours too. |
| 22:13.16 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: try the other server, mit might not have it yet |
| 22:13.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | Ok, others don't work either. |
| 22:13.35 | womble | WoodyWoodpecker: Tried a traceroute to see if they're blocking your IP? |
| 22:14.20 | WoodyWoodpecker | womble: What do you mean with 'blocking my IP' exactly? |
| 22:15.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Nope, belive it or not, but none of the servers have the key ! |
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| 22:15.44 | Mnabil | thnx alot |
| 22:16.03 | womble | WoodyWoodpecker: Hrm, ignore that, if you are blocked you get a different error |
| 22:16.33 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: how about trying by ip... say 213.239.212.133 |
| 22:16.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | I drop and not reject connections. |
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| 22:17.40 | Mnabil | jamesd_, thnx alot |
| 22:17.50 | jamesd_ | yw |
| 22:17.55 | womble | abrotman: Only finds the via-rhine... |
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| 22:18.40 | cureless | ok, meeting time,later |
| 22:18.43 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Well thanks alot. I don't know why it didn't work. |
| 22:18.45 | marco__ | did dpkg (the bot) just crash? |
| 22:18.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | But it does now ! |
| 22:19.10 | womble | WoodyWoodpecker: With the IP instead of the name? |
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| 22:19.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | womble: I don't get you? |
| 22:20.23 | womble | WoodyWoodpecker: Did you use the same command as usual or use 213.239.212.133 instead of pgp.mit.edu ? |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | womble: try a liveCD with another 2.6 perhaps ? |
| 22:20.53 | abrotman | womble: uname -a |
| 22:21.05 | womble | abrotman: Good idea, Linux gateway 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:21.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | womble: In what context? |
| 22:21.36 | womble | abrotman: It's the debian testing kernel but I get the same on debian stable (2.6.8.x) |
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| 22:21.58 | WoodyWoodpecker | With the apt problem or the firewall? |
| 22:22.23 | madclicker | how can a simple user mount a network drive in linux? |
| 22:22.25 | womble | WoodyWoodpecker: Sorry, the keys... |
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| 22:23.35 | womble | madclicker: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/25326-allowing-user-mount.html |
| 22:23.36 | WoodyWoodpecker | I used the fqdn. |
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| 22:23.47 | womble | Weird |
| 22:23.59 | WoodyWoodpecker | I will try it with the IP, but I don't expect anything different to happen. |
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| 22:24.07 | madclicker | womble, thanks |
| 22:24.16 | geo-rge | can grub launch its own stage2 if the partition is outside the 1024-cyl range? |
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| 22:24.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | womble: As expected it was not found on the server. |
| 22:24.58 | WoodyWoodpecker | GecKo: Yes. |
| 22:25.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | ups |
| 22:25.03 | WoodyWoodpecker | geo-rge: yes. |
| 22:25.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | GecKo: Sorry, wasn't for you :-// |
| 22:25.52 | geo-rge | what are the necessary conditions? I'm about to carve my hd up a little differently and so I need to know :) |
| 22:25.55 | infernixxxx | I'm on a gbit lan, debian sarge samba+nfs+ftp server, winxp client. if I copy files from winxp to debian, performance sucks (3mbyte/s). if I then start tcpdump or tethereal and dump the traffic, it goes up and hits 40MB/sec. |
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| 22:26.11 | infernixxxx | how totally weird is that? |
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| 22:26.52 | geo-rge | or, can we look at some common cases that -won't- work if the / or /boot is not low enough on the drive |
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| 22:27.24 | ilf | nyone knoe something like download manager tweak (http://dmextension.mozdev.org/) for ff2? |
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| 22:27.36 | geo-rge | wha['ts a ff2 |
| 22:27.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | geo-rge: You want to install the chain-loader _not_ in the MBR of your HDD ? |
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| 22:28.12 | geo-rge | well not necessarily |
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| 22:28.24 | zzswift | can someone help me out setting up some repositories with Sarge? |
| 22:28.25 | geo-rge | see I need my win back cause I miss the games |
| 22:28.31 | hon | do I need to update keys or something? I get this error when I try to apt-get update : "There are no public key available for the following key IDs". my last update was 3-4 days ago. |
| 22:28.42 | hon | (debian unstable) |
| 22:28.51 | geo-rge | so I'm about to back up the partition and back up the / and move them around... |
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| 22:29.09 | geo-rge | see, I heard this rumor that winders likes to think it owns hda1 |
| 22:29.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | You can alway use '' dd if=/dev/hda of=$HOME/mbr.out bs=1m count=1 '' or something to get it and turn around the if and of to replace it there. |
| 22:29.09 | jatt | hon: try the following: |
| 22:29.10 | jatt | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 |
| 22:29.10 | jatt | apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 22:29.27 | abrotman | womble: might want to also ask #kernel |
| 22:29.32 | WoodyWoodpecker | I mean you can save your MBR for later. |
| 22:29.40 | ilf | oh, wrong chan, sorry :) |
| 22:29.41 | womble | abrotman: GOod idea, I'll head in there now... |
| 22:30.06 | geo-rge | hopefully I won't hjave to touch the mbr... I have LOTS of unpartitioned space to back up the big stuff |
| 22:30.11 | hon | jatt: I have read this somewhere, but why? and where is pgp.net? |
| 22:30.32 | hon | or at least, which mailing-list explains this |
| 22:30.49 | hon | or at very least, what is this called after all? |
| 22:30.59 | dooglus | hon: you don't need to add any extra key - the Release file is signed by 2 keys, and as long as you have one of them installed, you'll just get a warning about the other one |
| 22:31.16 | dooglus | hon: just having the 2006 key (which you already have) is enough. |
| 22:31.37 | jatt | dooglus: the warning is annoying though |
| 22:32.00 | geo-rge | jatt: irrelevent... it won't stop you from doing what you need to do |
| 22:32.04 | hon | Where should I refer to for key releases? |
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| 22:32.24 | dooglus | jatt: I've not been able to find any conformation that it's safe to install the extra key. but if you want to, "/msg dpkg etch key" for instructions on how to |
| 22:32.44 | jatt | geo-rge: of course is not irrelevant. Is annoying, and you can tell that from the amount of users asking for a way to switch it off in this channel today. |
| 22:33.20 | geo-rge | jatt: it's irrelevent for now, because etch is not released |
| 22:33.35 | dmc | lastlog tissit |
| 22:33.40 | geo-rge | let them eat cake, and let them be annoyed :) |
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| 22:34.26 | Winkie | i have another question for you smart lot, can i add xscreensaver screensavers into gnome-screensaver easily enough? or am i stuck with the 5 default ones |
| 22:34.47 | dooglus | Winkie: why not just use xscreensave instead? |
| 22:35.05 | Winkie | dooglus: you tell me :) |
| 22:35.16 | Winkie | i have no particular reason for keeping gnome-screensaver |
| 22:35.20 | dooglus | Winkie: I've no idea, but that's what I did |
| 22:35.32 | Winkie | dooglus: how did you disable gnome-screensaver? |
| 22:35.42 | dooglus | Winkie: gnome-screensave is kind of annoying for some reason, but I forget what that reason is now, 'cos I stopped using it. |
| 22:35.59 | dooglus | Winkie: I just uninstalled it with apt-get |
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| 22:36.48 | Winkie | dooglus: fair enough |
| 22:38.02 | mango | hi, I am trying to install wifi pcmcia card on debain sarge. The cards name is Belkin model no f5d6020 version 3.dmesg does not show me anything when inserted nor lspci. I have installed previousely with ndiswrapper on an ibm laptop. but now no sign at all. the driver I used was a modified belkin driver but the sys file was from realtek ( don't ask me why- found it on google), help please |
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| 22:40.30 | geo-rge | WoodyWoodpecker: btw, isn't the chainloader for stage2 more than one sector? |
| 22:40.37 | eeyore- | mango: do you have pcmcia support? |
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| 22:41.30 | WoodyWoodpecker | geo-rge: Depends on the sector size on your filesystem. But I don't think it will be bigger than 512 byte. Actually I think it will be max of 8byte. |
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| 22:41.45 | stew | (s/sector/block/) |
| 22:41.48 | mango | eeyore: what is the pacckage name please? |
| 22:42.09 | stew | oh, wait, i got confused, nm me |
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| 22:42.26 | eeyore- | mango: pcmcia-cs? what's your bridge? (yenta is probably most common) |
| 22:42.39 | stew | anyway, look at the time!, its beer o'clock! |
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| 22:42.50 | widrone | !beer stew |
| 22:42.57 | mango | eeyore: I am a newbie, please wait |
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| 22:44.04 | mango | eeyore-: yes it is installed |
| 22:44.05 | geo-rge | unless I'm not understanding exactly what mbr is (it's possible :), I don't see how it would fit there... besides, is not a chainloader located after the mbr or after the partition boot sector? I thought there were a few sectors there at the start of any of those meant for chainloaders |
| 22:44.15 | geo-rge | also note: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 112020 Sep 16 19:11 /boot/grub/stage2 |
| 22:44.40 | geo-rge | that's 224 sectors :) |
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| 22:46.51 | trym | any way of using ansi colors in /etc/issue.net ? |
| 22:47.20 | geo-rge | WoodyWoodpecker: which part do you think is 8 bytes? |
| 22:47.33 | mango | eeyore-: pcmcia is installed, |
| 22:48.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | Forget that. I was thinking loud ... |
| 22:49.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | Without reading I couldn't answer you question without lying. |
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| 22:49.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or pretending that I knew it correctly. |
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| 22:51.07 | Vixus | Curse you apt-get... curse you. |
| 22:51.37 | geo-rge | apt: get vixus! |
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| 22:51.57 | Vixus | Curse that too. |
| 22:52.21 | Vixus | It does not read the proxy information in its apt.conf. |
| 22:52.38 | ringo999 | this is weird, i got xfce installed, starting it from the console. my console has the correct keymap, but when i startx another (US) keymap seems to be loaded... |
| 22:54.41 | PaSurf | I am trying to upgrade my Debian Sarge kernel 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.18.2 I have built the custom .deb package and am at the point of running dpkg -i. But I am running into issues with lilo. Seems alot of the tutorials are geared towards grub installs. How would I get around this? |
| 22:55.32 | geo-rge | PaSurf: give grub a shot :) |
| 22:55.58 | slept | PaSurf, why don't you want to use grub ? It really nice... if not there is some lilo-update thing |
| 22:56.01 | geo-rge | all we are sayyyyyyyyyyyingggggggggg |
| 22:56.07 | geo-rge | is give grub a chance!@ |
| 22:56.20 | zzswift | does it seem to anyone else that packages in Debian are old? |
| 22:56.23 | Niels- | PaSurf, http://howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian < 2.6 with lilo |
| 22:56.45 | PaSurf | geo-rge: I think I was running into issues with the initial install with grub. This is a new HP machine, so I am not sure why grub would not install |
| 22:57.00 | geo-rge | zzswift: it seems to us that debian is very well tested. but it takes time to test like that |
| 22:57.46 | thingfish | zzswift: Debian is a distro that focuses on being rock-solid stable - not on being bleeding edge (and full of bugs). |
| 22:57.49 | PaSurf | Niels: Thats the howto I was using, except it was for woody (if that makes a whole lot of difference) the link was for a system with grub |
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| 22:58.26 | Niels- | The link I've pasted is with a lilo system |
| 22:58.31 | zzswift | i understand that...but the kernel is old enough not to recognize usb |
| 22:58.41 | Niels- | "We are almost finished now. Edit the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf and add the line" |
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| 22:58.54 | geo-rge | zzswift: what kernel? |
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| 22:59.12 | PaSurf | right, for woody... |
| 22:59.18 | zzswift | 2.4 something |
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| 22:59.18 | ringo999 | how can it be that the xserver changes the keymap? where can i see what kind of keymap xinit uses? |
| 22:59.31 | thingfish | zzswift: are you installing sarge? Are you installing with the default 2.4 kernel, or did you do 'linux26' at the boot prompt? |
| 22:59.44 | PaSurf | In some cases you might want to compile your own kernel that suits your needs better than the standard kernel that comes with your distribution. I will describe how to do this on a Debian Woody machine (a description for Debian Sarge can be found here!). |
| 22:59.52 | zzswift | default |
| 23:00.06 | Niels- | It doesn't matter it is woody or sarge. It's the same process |
| 23:00.12 | PaSurf | his is a little bit different from compiling a kernel 2.6 on Debian Woody because Sarge uses grub as the boot loader (instead of lilo) and because module-init-tools, initrd-tools, procps are already installed. After all it's similar to http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linu...compile_debian |
| 23:00.17 | thingfish | zzswift: then you're using a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 23:02.52 | zzswift | i could have installed a newer kernel at setup? |
| 23:03.09 | Niels- | yes, at the prompt just enter linux26 |
| 23:03.18 | Niels- | instead of just hitting "enter" |
| 23:03.22 | zzswift | arghhhhh |
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| 23:03.27 | mirak | hi |
| 23:03.37 | mirak | is pl2303 a proprietary module ? |
| 23:03.37 | thingfish | zzswift: at the boot prompt, type 'linux26' and hit enter |
| 23:03.45 | mirak | that's the module for usbserial device |
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| 23:03.56 | thingfish | zzswift: or install a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:04.02 | zzswift | i should be able to update my kernel with aptget right? |
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| 23:04.22 | thingfish | zzswift: yessir |
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| 23:04.44 | zzswift | im on dialup and its taking forever to set up repositories |
| 23:05.13 | |splat| | if i download the 3.1r4 netinst cd, is it easy/possible to change my installed system to testing? |
| 23:05.14 | zzswift | but that should be on the cd |
| 23:05.29 | thingfish | zzswift: my sympathies. I am on dialup as well. |
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| 23:06.06 | mirak | does anyone uses a serial to USB converter ? |
| 23:06.09 | thingfish | zzswift: it is, although it'll likely not be the current one. |
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| 23:06.25 | Niels- | |splat|, you should only modify /etc/apt/sources.list to testing and launch an apt-upgrade. |
| 23:06.38 | Niels- | "apt-get upgrade" |
| 23:06.45 | widrone | mirak: There is one in my usb gps, so yes kind of. |
| 23:06.54 | |splat| | Niels-, i thought that it only required something small like that, thanks |
| 23:06.58 | womble | Don't you have to do an "apt-get update" first |
| 23:07.21 | Niels- | yes for sure, update is required before upgrade |
| 23:07.23 | mirak | widrone: do you know how to know the serial port ? |
| 23:07.28 | mirak | widrone: your gps run linux ? |
| 23:07.59 | mirak | widrone: the port and irq I mean |
| 23:08.14 | widrone | mirak: No I got a usb gps thing that I can stick in my debian machine. Try the pl2303 module if my memory serves my rite. |
| 23:08.14 | mirak | widrone: I have a lirc IR receiver device |
| 23:08.51 | mirak | widrone: this modules is loaded, but I get a protocol error when accessing it. |
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| 23:09.05 | mirak | widrone: I use a usb infinity card reader |
| 23:09.11 | widrone | mirak: pl2303 is sort of the generic usb2serial chipset out there, so if you got a comverter chanses are good its that. |
| 23:09.49 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 23:09.57 | widrone | mirak: The serial part of the setup I know little about, setserial usually does the magic for me. |
| 23:10.04 | yassine | any idea why does my aptitude shows this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wv9OH560.html |
| 23:10.50 | mirak | widrone: hum. do you know any tutorial ? |
| 23:11.15 | mirak | widrone: in fact setserial is what initialise the usb part of the device to emulate appropriately serial port ? |
| 23:12.19 | widrone | mirak: The pl module exposes a valid serial port to the system and the you setserial (if that is a word) the device. |
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| 23:12.45 | widrone | mirak: In my case I looked in the logs for the devicename after inserting the required module. |
| 23:12.48 | KaiHanari | im trying to push a port from a system to mine. when i use ssh -l user host -R 8088:192.168.0.5:80 (.0.5 is the address of the system this is being run from) i can run lynx 127.0.0.1:8088 and it works perfect, but even when i do this as root i cant make it accessable for incoming connections from that system's network... how do i do this? |
| 23:13.14 | KaiHanari | could it be iptables not making an opening? |
| 23:13.35 | robin_sz | KaiHanari, there is a settign in sshd.conf for this ... |
| 23:13.51 | KaiHanari | robin_sz, whats it called? |
| 23:13.51 | robin_sz | it needs to bind to all addresses not jusy 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:13.56 | robin_sz | wait .. i check ... |
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| 23:15.17 | Zap-W | can i specify to which run level i want to boot from grub pormpt |
| 23:15.30 | KaiHanari | my listenaddress line is commented out. |
| 23:15.36 | geo-rge | see boot-prompt howto |
| 23:15.42 | KaiHanari | this is sshd_config , dont know where .conf is |
| 23:16.03 | mirak | widrone: Bus 002 Device 007: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| 23:16.10 | widrone | mirak: May be the pl module needs some others too, but I think modprobing it should take care of that. |
| 23:16.13 | mirak | widrone: lsusb gives this. |
| 23:16.22 | mirak | widrone: the module loads itself |
| 23:16.35 | widrone | mirak: usbserial maybe too to get it going, Im working from a shaded memory :) |
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| 23:16.56 | widrone | mirak: Wait, let me pull it out and type a bit. |
| 23:17.01 | mirak | widrone: usbserial self load also |
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| 23:17.45 | robin_sz | KaiHanari, GatewayPorts I think |
| 23:17.56 | robin_sz | GatewayPorts Yes |
| 23:18.09 | widrone | mirak: usb 1-1.3: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 (or something similar) |
| 23:18.14 | KaiHanari | robin_sz kk trying |
| 23:18.42 | mirak | widrone: usb 2-1.4: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
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| 23:19.11 | robin_sz | that might be 'yes' not 'Yes' by the way ;) |
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| 23:19.23 | widrone | mirak: That device is a standard serial port now, and away you go hacking in the serial world. |
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| 23:19.44 | mirak | setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 23:19.44 | mirak | /dev/ttyUSB0: Protocol error |
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| 23:20.21 | mirak | pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303_open - failed submitting interrupt urb, error -28 |
| 23:21.09 | KaiHanari | robin_sz, i put that in my sshd_config and restarted the service, and still not accepting ports on its lan address |
| 23:21.37 | robin_sz | tried 'yes' instead of Yes? |
| 23:21.45 | KaiHanari | robin_sz just a sec |
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| 23:23.05 | widrone | mirak: Try the autoconfig argument? |
| 23:23.33 | widrone | mirak: And my working with setserial is really limited, so Im not too sure about this. :) |
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| 23:24.27 | robin_sz | KaiHanari, dont forget, you can use netstat -lutpan | grep <prt number> to see where it is listening |
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| 23:25.42 | KaiHanari | robin_sz, Thanks! GatewayPorts yes worked perfect |
| 23:25.49 | robin_sz | no problem :) |
| 23:26.27 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.22 | widrone | mirak: Hm, sorry no idea there. Never seen that myself. |
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| 23:29.56 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 23:31.08 | plugwash | other than using packages.debian.org is there any way to see the full description of a package before i install it? |
| 23:31.12 | [GNU]Order | I was following these instructions and at one point it asked to modify php.ini. I looked over the diff and didn't see anything critical so I went with the new php.ini. Now apache2 has crashed (never asked to restart) and it wont restart. Everything they relies on php causes an error in the configs for apache or sites. |
| 23:31.15 | [GNU]Order | http://vhcs.netsonic.ro/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=2&nav=0,1 |
| 23:31.21 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: apt-cache show foopkg; |
| 23:32.22 | k_osh | you guys great with raid and lvm? first raid, then lvm. correct? or is it the other way around? |
| 23:32.35 | zasz | how do I enable colours on my box, so that when I ssh in using putty and open files things are coloured |
| 23:32.44 | zasz | never bothered with it before |
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| 23:33.18 | dondelelcaro | k_osh: first raid, then lvm. |
| 23:33.19 | plugwash | k_osh i imagine both ways are possible and both would have thier advantages and disadvantages |
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| 23:35.33 | |splat|g4 | is there a special disk needed to install debian to a sata drive? |
| 23:35.35 | k_osh | Im getting annoying errors. Perhaps I'm going about it the wrong way... |
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| 23:36.18 | plugwash | |splat|g4 not exactly, installing on sata tends to be a lot more hit and miss than on good old IDE though |
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| 23:36.44 | pickcoder | |splat|g4: what sata controller chip are you using |
| 23:36.52 | plugwash | afaict generally people have much more luck with etch than with sarge and there are some unofficial images with a newer kernel that some sata controllers need |
| 23:36.53 | |splat|g4 | yeah, i booted with linux26, and it said it can't load the scsi emulation |
| 23:37.04 | |splat|g4 | uhm, intel ich7 i believe |
| 23:37.09 | |splat|g4 | 945p board |
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| 23:38.37 | pickcoder | you may to run it in ahci mode in order for it to be recognized |
| 23:38.43 | pickcoder | s/may/may have |
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| 23:39.17 | plugwash | what type of media were you installing from? sarge or etch? and if etch which one exactly |
| 23:39.28 | |splat|g4 | i just tried expert26, and it seemed to get farther, but this time it couldn't load my nic modules either |
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| 23:39.58 | |splat|g4 | cannot load: ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy |
| 23:40.17 | plugwash | |splat|g4 what CD exactly are you using? |
| 23:40.25 | |splat|g4 | 3.1r4 netinst |
| 23:40.28 | |splat|g4 | x86 |
| 23:40.35 | |splat|g4 | i386 i mean |
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| 23:41.09 | wide_awake | Hello. I just installed openntpd, and am wondering how to get it to "sync now!"? |
| 23:41.34 | plugwash | if i were you i'd forget about trying to get sarge installed on that box and try the etch RC1 installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ etch is going to be going stable by the end of the year anyway |
| 23:42.11 | pickcoder | wide_awake: use ntpdate to sync now |
| 23:43.02 | wide_awake | pickcoder, why use ntpd then? |
| 23:43.04 | pickcoder | or change the init script and add "-s" to the startup |
| 23:43.07 | |splat|g4 | mkay, i'll give it a shot |
| 23:43.22 | pickcoder | wide_awake: ntpdate is a one-shot deal. ntpd is a daemon that constantly syncs the time |
| 23:43.38 | pickcoder | wide_awake: also man ntpd helps |
| 23:43.47 | [GNU]Order | where are apt-get logs saved? |
| 23:43.53 | wide_awake | I read the man page... it doesn't really say *when* it's gona sync |
| 23:44.05 | pickcoder | yes it does |
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| 23:44.17 | pickcoder | -s will sync immediately at startup if time diff is > 180 secs |
| 23:44.25 | asg | [GNU]Order: /var/log/dpkg.log (if you are using etch or higher) |
| 23:44.27 | pickcoder | otherwise use ntpdate and then start ntpd |
| 23:44.45 | [GNU]Order | asg: whats etch? |
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| 23:45.04 | pickcoder | !etch |
| 23:45.04 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
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| 23:45.23 | stew | [GNU]Order: what version does "dpkg -l dpkg" report? |
| 23:45.24 | wide_awake | what if you use ntpdate while ntpd is already started? |
| 23:45.25 | [GNU]Order | Ah, ok. Using Sarge. |
| 23:45.34 | stew | [GNU]Order: then there are none unless you are using aptitude |
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| 23:45.43 | asg | [GNU]Order: then there is no log, unless you used script(1) |
| 23:45.44 | [GNU]Order | ii dpkg 1.10.28 Package maintenance system for Debian |
| 23:45.52 | [GNU]Order | ok |
| 23:45.56 | [GNU]Order | thnx |
| 23:46.22 | stew | [GNU]Order: logging wasn't added until 1.13 |
| 23:46.41 | JMC4988 | Hi |
| 23:46.56 | asg | [GNU]Order: if you are only concerned which packages were added recently, find /var/lib/dpkg/info -type f -mtime -3 will tell you. |
| 23:46.59 | JMC4988 | I need help setting up my ASUS P5LD2 |
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| 23:47.31 | JMC4988 | I have a problem with the IT8212 controller and cannot connect an additional HD to the IDE interface |
| 23:47.37 | zasz | how do I enable colours on my box, so that when I ssh in using putty and open files things are coloured |
| 23:47.38 | [GNU]Order | asg: That helps, thanks. |
| 23:47.50 | JMC4988 | dmesg reports a lot of errors with the drive |
| 23:48.06 | asg | [GNU]Order: you're welcome |
| 23:48.20 | k_osh | Ah, damn. I just created an lv_swap with 32GB (or so) space. I could just move this over to another vg when installation is complete. right? |
| 23:48.22 | JMC4988 | The CD ROM does not work as well... |
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| 23:48.37 | JMC4988 | Any ideas? |
| 23:48.55 | darrend | hi. Anyone know if I can permit a single SMTP server to bypass my current postfix smtpd_helo_restrictions? (see http://rifers.org/paste/show/2410) |
| 23:49.08 | sigp239 | is this the right kernel for a p4 3.06 with hyper-threading |
| 23:49.09 | asg | darrend: have you asked #postfix? |
| 23:49.10 | sigp239 | Linux knight 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:49.12 | eldowan | Does grub support booting from disc labels? I checked the man page, and there is no info page |
| 23:49.22 | darrend | oops, sry, wrong channel |
| 23:49.29 | darrend | (thx asg) |
| 23:49.33 | eldowan | sigp239: yes |
| 23:49.50 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: after the kernel is loaded, grub has nothing to do with which partition is used as a root partition. |
| 23:49.54 | eldowan | sigp239: cat /proc/cpuinfo to check and make sure that it sees both cores. |
| 23:50.17 | sigp239 | sees proc 0 and 1 |
| 23:50.25 | k_osh | zasz: that's something in bashrc I think. Don't remember atm. have a look at the manpage for bash. |
| 23:50.51 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: Maybe you can help? I'm trying to boot a debian loaded usb drive, and cannot figure it out. If I give grub the right (hd0,0) information, it says file not found. I change root= to /dev/sda1 and /dev/hda1. |
| 23:51.16 | sigp239 | synaptic says I have linux-image-2.6-686. but shouldn't I have linux-image-2.6-686-smp? |
| 23:51.19 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: the grub information is only for loading a kernel off of that device. |
| 23:51.22 | eldowan | sigp239: it looks as if the kernel sees both virtual processors. and it should also see that it is sse3 enabled etc. |
| 23:51.55 | zasz | thanks k_osh |
| 23:51.57 | eldowan | sigp239: smp is built into the newer kernels. There should no longer be a seperate -smp needed. I believe that linux-image-2.6-686-smp might even be a transitional package. |
| 23:52.09 | sigp239 | eldowan: doesn't say sse3. only sse and sse2 |
| 23:52.16 | eldowan | sigp239: My mistake. |
| 23:52.17 | k_osh | zasz: don't thank me yet. I might be way off... =) |
| 23:52.57 | sigp239 | would someone send instructions on installing nvidia 3d driver? |
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| 23:53.26 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I think grub sees the device correctly at (hd0,0) because it is the only device plugged in, and it shows that it is an ext2 partition. I guess I'm confused on where to go from there. |
| 23:53.40 | eldowan | sigp239: etch or sarge or sid? |
| 23:53.51 | asg | sigp239: /msg apt nvidia one-liner |
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| 23:54.52 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: so does the kernel get loaded off of that device? |
| 23:55.40 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: After I specify the correct device, it says file not found. I believe that I'm pointing it to the right initrd image, but i'm just not sure. |
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| 23:57.39 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: if you get file not found, then you're either not specifying the proper device, or the proper directory on the device. |
| 23:57.51 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I think I found the problem. It looks like I have my / filesystem at /root on the usb device. |
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