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| 00:03.01 | sigp239 | when I login, my volume control applet only shows "microphone". After I run alsamixer, it shows all the other sound stuff. But when I reboot and login again, it goes back to just "microphone". How do I make it so that after I run alsamixer, my volume control applet keeps all the sound stuff and doesn't go back to just "microphone" after a reboot? |
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| 00:05.34 | k_osh | how far off is "etch" as a stable release? |
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| 00:05.57 | zasz | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:05.58 | k_osh | close enough to be used as a server? |
| 00:06.11 | pickcoder | k_osh: that's a subjective question |
| 00:06.12 | zasz | check how many release critical bugs are and you have an idea |
| 00:06.16 | pickcoder | what kind "server" |
| 00:06.26 | pickcoder | ntp server? sure.. it's stable |
| 00:06.36 | pickcoder | samba mega file server? I dunno.. |
| 00:06.46 | k_osh | pickcoder: nothing mission critical. just my web/ftp... server. |
| 00:06.49 | pickcoder | sure |
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| 00:07.27 | pickcoder | be weary of most-recent kernels |
| 00:07.29 | sigp239 | how do I get my volume control applet to show all channels persistent across system reboots? |
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| 00:08.18 | zasz | pickcoder: wary |
| 00:08.41 | jmd | What's the best way to allow mortals to mount/unmount usb devices? |
| 00:08.48 | pickcoder | yes |
| 00:08.49 | pickcoder | wary |
| 00:08.57 | pickcoder | I'm weary |
| 00:09.01 | zasz | Me to. |
| 00:09.04 | pickcoder | and also losing my marbles |
| 00:09.07 | zasz | Not enough sleep last night. |
| 00:09.08 | sigp239 | requesting communication check. |
| 00:09.11 | pickcoder | vacation time is a few months off |
| 00:09.13 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
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| 00:09.30 | k_osh | heh, L99 99 99 99 99 99.... error while booting. haven't seen that for a while... raid/lvm error i seem to remember.... |
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| 00:11.43 | sigp239 | how do I get my volume control applet to show all channels persistent across system reboots? |
| 00:12.21 | atp | hi, i'm running etch and i haven't updated in a long time. just now doing an apt-get update i got a bunch of MD5Sum mismatches, and complaints about not having any public keys with the following id: A70DAF536070D3A1. i'm assuming i've neglected to do something? |
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| 00:13.05 | atp | or maybe my system is in an inconsistent state? |
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| 00:13.18 | eldowan | atp: hold a second, there is a fix |
| 00:13.19 | pngwn | atp, /msg dpkg etch key |
| 00:13.21 | odla | can mplayer play rmvb format? |
| 00:13.32 | eldowan | odla: what is rmvb? |
| 00:13.38 | eldowan | real media vbr? |
| 00:13.49 | odla | yeah |
| 00:14.43 | eldowan | odla: the documentation says it should play real media files, so I would assume so. You could ask #mplayer, but I haven't had much luck there myself. |
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| 00:15.07 | atp | pngwn: now it recognizes the key, but i'm still getting a BADSIG error and tons of MD5Sum mismatches? |
| 00:15.24 | atp | pngwn: well, by tons i mean like 8 :) |
| 00:16.04 | pngwn | atp, typo? |
| 00:16.17 | eldowan | atp: try running apt-get update a couple of times and see if the problem goes away. |
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| 00:16.45 | asg | atp: you might also need to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' if it's been a long time. |
| 00:16.49 | atp | the BADSIG is on http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release though, i also have unstable package lists in my sources.list, because sometimes i dip into unstable for some things |
| 00:16.52 | jbinder | 19:16 <jbinder> do you like microsoft? |
| 00:16.52 | jbinder | 19:16 * dpkg wouldn't dream of doing you like microsoft |
| 00:16.55 | jbinder | wtfx? |
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| 00:17.52 | k_osh | jbinder: humour.... =) |
| 00:17.54 | atp | eldowan: hm, i've already updates like 12 times, it doesn't seem to be changing. and asg, i've already tried running dist-upgrade, but it doesn't upgrade virtually any packages (probably because all the MD5Sum mismatches are on testing files) |
| 00:17.57 | jbinder | k_osh: hehh |
| 00:17.59 | sigp239 | My volume control applet only shows "microphone". How do I make it show all channels? |
| 00:18.14 | atp | s/updates/updated |
| 00:18.22 | asg | atp: well, remove your unstable sources. That's neither recommended nor supported. |
| 00:18.40 | atp | asg: that may well be, but the issue at the moment is with testing (with the exception of the BADSIG thing) |
| 00:18.41 | eldowan | atp: I thought my key was imported using the instructions from !etch key. run apt-key list and see if the new key is there. Just as a verification |
| 00:19.12 | |splat|g4 | yay etch worked |
| 00:19.12 | asg | atp: you said the issue was with your unstable release. Comment it out of /etc/apt/sources.list and 'apt-get update' |
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| 00:19.55 | atp | asg: no, i didn't. i said i was getting a BADSIG error with an unstable Release file, which I'm guessing is because i don't have the right key for the unstable release in apt-key. all the MD5Sum mismatches are on testing files. |
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| 00:20.07 | atp | eldowan: hm |
| 00:20.31 | asg | atp: well, start by commenting out the unstable source. It's only causing extraneous confusion. |
| 00:21.29 | atp | asg: just did, now i'm getting sreenfulls of bzip2 errors. |
| 00:21.37 | atp | screenfulls even |
| 00:22.16 | asg | atp: apt-cache policy bzip2 |
| 00:22.17 | eldowan | atp: did you have many unstable sources? |
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| 00:23.02 | atp | no, i actually don't think i have any unstable packages installed at the moment, but i've always maintained lists of unstable packages, with apt's default distribution set to testing |
| 00:23.23 | atp | being able to do that used to be a feature of apt and debian in general |
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| 00:23.54 | abrotman | do you use pinning ? |
| 00:23.55 | atp | although according to asg, that's no longer supported? |
| 00:24.00 | atp | pinning? |
| 00:24.02 | jmd | Is it possible to set up debian such that USB flash sticks can be easily mounted and unmounted ? |
| 00:24.10 | asg | atp: it's supported, just not recommended unless you know what you are doing. |
| 00:24.14 | stew | jmd: /msg dpkg automount |
| 00:24.30 | sigp239 | My volume control applet only shows "microphone". How do I make it show all channels? |
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| 00:25.14 | jmd | stew: Why would automount be better than, say, hotplug ? |
| 00:25.15 | atp | asg: in general, i know what i'm doing, i think... i've been using debian since slink... as per your bzip2 policy question, i'm running 1.0.3-6 |
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| 00:25.32 | asg | atp: did it say unstable or etch on the '500 ...' line? |
| 00:25.37 | stew | !automount |
| 00:25.38 | dpkg | if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
| 00:25.44 | atp | asg: no 500 line |
| 00:25.45 | stew | jmd: ^^ |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | paste it somewhere |
| 00:26.05 | stew | jmd: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:26.05 | asg | atp: erm, put the whole output of 'apt-cache policy bzip2' in a pastebin |
| 00:26.25 | atp | asg: it's really short, is #flood ok? |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | atp: i'm there! |
| 00:26.50 | jmd | I've got one sarge machine and one etch |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | not icon .. an applet of some sort |
| 00:27.01 | sigp239 | do I have voice/ |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | !info bzip2 etch |
| 00:27.11 | dpkg | bzip2: (high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-6 (etch), Packaged size: 262 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 00:27.17 | asg | abrotman: same version in both |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | well that's not a very good test :) |
| 00:27.34 | sigp239 | do I have voice? |
| 00:27.35 | atp | ok, hm, |
| 00:27.36 | asg | abrotman: then 990 is indicative of pinning though no? |
| 00:27.43 | asg | sigp239: well, some semblance of one |
| 00:27.58 | atp | after removing the unstable sources and running apt-get update a bunch of times the errors have disappeared |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | asg: but he should know if he's doing pinning |
| 00:28.06 | atp | and i appear to be able to dist-upgrade now |
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| 00:28.07 | asg | abrotman: indeed |
| 00:28.11 | asg | atp: yay |
| 00:28.21 | atp | still... this doesn't inspire confidence |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | because you mixed ? |
| 00:28.39 | asg | atp: you are running testing mixed perhaps with unstable, there is no such thing as confidence. |
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| 00:29.08 | atp | asg: well, that i can understand, but i don't think i've installed anything from unstable since back when sarge froze |
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| 00:29.30 | atp | asg: by now i would presume that all the unstable packages i used to be running would have gone into testing? |
| 00:29.37 | asg | atp: yet, removing the unstable sources and running 'apt-get update' a bunch of times took care of the issue. |
| 00:29.50 | atp | asg: yes, you're right, but it still confuses me |
| 00:29.56 | asg | atp: you can't always presume that. Generally they will, it isn't a guarantee though. |
| 00:30.09 | atp | it's been a REALLY long time since sarge froze |
| 00:30.14 | atp | but i guess you're right |
| 00:30.25 | asg | atp: sarge is now stable and has been for over a year. |
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| 00:30.31 | atp | exactly :) |
| 00:30.50 | atp | once it went to stable packages from sid started migrating into testing and life was good again |
| 00:31.01 | atp | thus removing the need to mix |
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| 00:35.59 | sigp239 | when I login, my volume control applet only shows "microphone". After I run alsamixer, it shows all the other sound stuff. But when I reboot and login again, it goes back to just "microphone". How do I make it so that after I run alsamixer, my volume control applet keeps all the sound stuff and doesn't go back to just "microphone" after a reboot? |
| 00:36.14 | asg | sigp239: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | stop loading OSS modules ? |
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| 00:38.02 | sigp239 | asg: don't understand |
| 00:38.14 | asg | !tell sigp239 about rc.local |
| 00:38.34 | asg | sigp239: now, create a boot script to run alsamixer |
| 00:38.44 | sigp239 | hrm |
| 00:38.48 | sigp239 | so |
| 00:39.18 | sigp239 | does everyone that has a sound card that uses debian have to create a boot script just to get this working right? |
| 00:39.22 | jatt | sigp239: can you test if you can also fix it with: |
| 00:39.23 | jatt | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 00:39.23 | jatt | ? |
| 00:39.31 | atp | alsamixer is an ncurses program, asg... boot scripts would be kind of a pain |
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| 00:39.45 | atp | sigp239: are you using OSS or ALSA? |
| 00:39.59 | sigp239 | I just installed debian 'etch' yesterday |
| 00:40.02 | atp | because if you're using OSS, don't, it's been deprecated for ages |
| 00:40.06 | asg | atp: then use amixer |
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| 00:40.20 | sigp239 | asg: alsamixer or amixer? |
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| 00:40.25 | abrotman | sigp239: uname -a |
| 00:40.26 | jatt | I mean, instead of alsamixer. the alsa-utils script could be configured to be started at boot automatically. |
| 00:40.41 | asg | sigp239: amixer or see what jatt said |
| 00:41.05 | atp | if it's at all possible i would avoid writing an rc.local script, it may cause you problems later when your hardware is better supported |
| 00:41.11 | sigp239 | Linux knight 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:42.06 | atp | jatt: isn't alsa-utils already started at boot automatically? |
| 00:42.22 | jatt | atp: yes it should. |
| 00:42.44 | atp | normally, alsa dumps state on stutdown and restores it on startup, so it's weird that he should make changes and have them not be persistant across reboots |
| 00:42.53 | atp | or rather, debian has scripts that do that |
| 00:42.59 | jatt | atp: but it could be dissabled by the user afterwards (with update-rc.d) |
| 00:43.19 | atp | jatt: of course, but it doesn't seem like someone who just installed etch yesterday would have done that |
| 00:43.25 | atp | although... you never know... |
| 00:43.36 | jatt | not sure if that is the case for the person having the problem with alsa |
| 00:43.53 | lastnode | guys, i having some problems with start x, any help will be much appreciated - http://pastebin.ca/254576 |
| 00:43.55 | atp | he said as much just a sec ago |
| 00:44.00 | jatt | ok |
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| 00:45.06 | eldowan | lastnode: Are you using a laptop? |
| 00:45.17 | sigp239 | so how do I make it so my volume control applet shows all channels even after I reboot? |
| 00:45.20 | eldowan | lastnode: or a tablet? |
| 00:45.29 | lastnode | eldowan, yes, a compaq presario v2710CA |
| 00:45.29 | zl2tod | sigp239, I assume that you are logging out and shutting down in an orderly manner ? |
| 00:45.34 | jmd | How do I find out the device to mount for a USB flash memory ? |
| 00:45.37 | lastnode | eldowan, a laptop |
| 00:45.37 | sigp239 | zl2tod: yes |
| 00:45.42 | zl2tod | good :) |
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| 00:45.54 | lastnode | jmd, it's probably under /dev/sda or sdb |
| 00:46.03 | eldowan | lastnode: I'm no expert, but it looks like X is having trouble finding your pointing device, and halting X startup. |
| 00:46.36 | lastnode | eldowan, around which line, mate? |
| 00:46.51 | sigp239 | do I have to put my sound driver in a startup script or something? |
| 00:46.52 | eldowan | lastnode: 3093 - 3112 |
| 00:47.31 | eldowan | lastnode: nevermind. Line 3115 looks to have loaded it successfuly |
| 00:47.46 | jmd | lastnode: Doesn't appear to be that. |
| 00:47.46 | atp | sigp239: what soundcard is it? |
| 00:48.14 | sigp239 | atp: sound blaster live! value edition |
| 00:48.16 | eldowan | lastnode: Is line 3119 the last line in your log file? |
| 00:48.31 | lastnode | eldowan, yes |
| 00:48.34 | atp | sigp239: and you can play music and stuff right? |
| 00:48.41 | sigp239 | atp: after I run alsaconf and reload my volume control applet, all the channels show up just fine. it's just after I reboot, only the microphone channel shows up. |
| 00:49.10 | lastnode | eldowan, no wait |
| 00:49.12 | lastnode | sorry |
| 00:49.20 | atp | sigp239: that's very bizarre... unfortunately, i'm a genetic throwback, my desktop still looks the way desktops did in the 1970s, so i don't know what might be confusing the applet (i don't use applets) |
| 00:49.50 | stoned | hi |
| 00:50.06 | sigp239 | i've come here before and gotten the solution |
| 00:50.07 | eldowan | Welcome stoned |
| 00:50.09 | stoned | I use whatever is available, so I have no preferences, all is customizable |
| 00:50.13 | sigp239 | this same thing happens everytime I install debian |
| 00:50.26 | sigp239 | there's some way of saving my sound config so after i reboot it stays put |
| 00:50.37 | atp | sigp239: normally that's done automatically |
| 00:50.47 | lastnode | eldowan, jmd - new paste - http://pastebin.ca/254578 |
| 00:51.16 | atp | sigp239: do you have an /etc/default/alsa file? |
| 00:51.25 | lastnode | eldowan, jmd the only thing i can think of is, should i use 'ati' over radeon |
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| 00:51.44 | sigp239 | atp: yea |
| 00:51.53 | atp | sigp239: paste it in #flood |
| 00:51.58 | eldowan | lastnode: you can try that. Or even vesa |
| 00:52.19 | lastnode | eldowan, i cant find the error though, and whenever x loads, it hangs, it doesn't let me see the error on screen |
| 00:52.30 | jmd | lastnode: Err... is that supposed to be relevant to USB flash sticks? |
| 00:52.31 | bathat | eldowan: i switched back to the custom kernel from kernel.org |
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| 00:52.44 | bathat | and started using the driver from nvidia |
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| 00:52.55 | atp | sigp239: hm, ok. |
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| 00:53.06 | bathat | it worked for many hours before it eventually froze out of the blue |
| 00:53.15 | eldowan | bathat: almost a good fix. |
| 00:53.23 | bathat | yep |
| 00:53.33 | atp | sigp239: you have alsactl right? |
| 00:53.34 | bathat | although i wish it would just keep on working |
| 00:53.37 | lastnode | jmd, oh sorry, thought you were helping me with X |
| 00:53.41 | lastnode | anwyay reboot, brb |
| 00:53.51 | sigp239 | atp: lemme check |
| 00:53.58 | bathat | it was the debian kernel that was giving it problems though, just like this guy from nvidia said |
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| 00:54.07 | bathat | or so it would seem anyway |
| 00:54.18 | atp | sigp239: should be /usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 00:54.25 | atp | sigp239: it might not be in your path unless you're root |
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| 00:54.49 | sigp239 | can't find a package named alsactl |
| 00:54.49 | eldowan | bathat: Hmm. That is weird. I've only used debian kernels, and haven't had problems like that. Of course, I haven't used an nvidia pci card either. |
| 00:55.03 | atp | sigp239: no, i mean, do you have the file /usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 00:55.04 | sigp239 | atp: can't find a package named alsactl |
| 00:55.21 | sigp239 | atl: yea I have it |
| 00:55.29 | atp | sigp239: hm |
| 00:55.29 | bathat | after i bought this server motherboard, i realized it had pci express, so if only i'd have waited to buy the graphics card |
| 00:55.47 | bathat | i've tried two different pci slots without any effect |
| 00:55.51 | atp | sigp239: can you use the command line? |
| 00:56.03 | atp | sigp239: i mean are you relatively comfortable doing so |
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| 00:58.14 | bathat | eldowan: aha, i got a reply to my post, if you're interested... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=503442 |
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| 00:58.29 | bathat | there's a script one can run that will supposedly do the job |
| 00:59.24 | axolx | hi folks -- any idea why upgrading from Sarge to Etch causes apache2 to not recognize the directive: AuthDigestFile? i still have mod_digest enables |
| 00:59.27 | axolx | enabled* |
| 01:00.12 | eldowan | bathat: I think you might be missing a line in your server layout to get composite effects like compiz correctly. |
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| 01:00.30 | eldowan | bathat: But you aren't using it now anyway.. |
| 01:00.37 | bathat | correct |
| 01:01.33 | eldowan | bathat: Hopefully you will see some good results. Are you aware of the missing line? |
| 01:01.33 | bathat | i was also under the impression the driver wasn't working solely because it was intended for the unstable dist, rather than etch |
| 01:02.02 | bathat | i thought compiz provided all the fancy effects for xgl and beryl |
| 01:02.13 | eldowan | bathat: The driver in unstable is only there untill it is tested, then it will move to etch. |
| 01:02.29 | bathat | i'm not quite sure what it is, all i know is that it's opensuse |
| 01:02.38 | eldowan | bathat: what is opensuse? |
| 01:02.58 | bathat | don't ask me.. ;) |
| 01:03.11 | bathat | well, it's a distribution but that's about all i know |
| 01:03.21 | eldowan | bathat: I meant what are you referring to being opensuse? |
| 01:03.22 | odla | eldowan: suse developed by the opensuse community? |
| 01:03.48 | bathat | http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz |
| 01:04.04 | mazzanet | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 01:04.04 | mazzanet | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 01:04.07 | mazzanet | O_o |
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| 01:04.24 | bathat | i've disable the use of composite engines |
| 01:04.30 | eldowan | !tell mazzanet about etch key |
| 01:05.01 | mazzanet | i asusme something changed recently? |
| 01:05.01 | eldowan | bathat: OK. That is what I thought. Are you planning on enabling them once the driver works correctly? |
| 01:05.14 | eldowan | mazzanet: yes. a few days ago, maybe even yesterday. |
| 01:05.19 | bathat | i suppose |
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| 01:05.40 | carlito | Hi, I have an problem with ipv6 tunnel, i have two tunnels in same ipv4 and the strange problem is when secound tunnel pop is down than primary tunnel it stuck even it is up, than whne i drop the second interface the first tunnel start to work..any help? |
| 01:05.41 | bathat | i'm still a little bit of a newbie |
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| 01:05.50 | bathat | so i'm not exactly sure what their purpose is |
| 01:06.10 | atula | a really quick question: I am creating a file from variables with touch... that will come out to be like this "VAR1_VAR2"... but I can't seem to do it.. the closest I can come to it is: "touch {$VAR1}_{$VAR2}" which becomes {VAR1}_{VAR2}... can someone give me a quick pointer... thanks |
| 01:06.30 | eldowan | bathat: as far as I can see, the only real value is eye candy, and the 'because I could' reasons. |
| 01:06.36 | atula | it's the underscore that's screwing me up |
| 01:06.46 | bathat | ah, i see |
| 01:06.53 | bathat | sort of like xgl |
| 01:07.00 | eldowan | atula: have you tried \_ ? |
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| 01:07.23 | eldowan | bathat: That is what I understand. But, I know next to dirt about most things. |
| 01:07.45 | bathat | haha, same here |
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| 01:08.13 | bathat | *gloats about it* |
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| 01:08.19 | lastnode | eldowan, thing i got it. fonts. which font packages do i need? |
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| 01:08.44 | eldowan | lastnode: xfonts-base |
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| 01:08.47 | lastnode | eldowan, im getting xfs |
| 01:08.51 | lastnode | it's probably that? |
| 01:08.53 | lastnode | ah ok |
| 01:09.06 | eldowan | lastnode: I think xfs is a filesystem. Could be wrong though. |
| 01:09.10 | DerJamster | xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-100dpi-transcoded is also very nice |
| 01:09.29 | DerJamster | gsfonts-x11 and msttcorefonts for flash stuffs and pdfs/ghostscript. |
| 01:09.34 | eldowan | bathat: Your name wouldn't have come from the movie Major League, would it? |
| 01:09.50 | bathat | nope, i've never seen that movie |
| 01:09.52 | DerJamster | and yeah, XFS is a filesys. |
| 01:10.06 | DerJamster | and a X Font Server. |
| 01:10.18 | bathat | it's an odd nick, i know... it's the hat Batman wears |
| 01:10.23 | bathat | or cap |
| 01:10.23 | atula | eldowan, thanks. that worked. |
| 01:10.24 | DerJamster | heh :D |
| 01:10.47 | carlito | Hi, I have an problem with ipv6 tunnel, i have two tunnels in same ipv4 and the strange problem is when secound tunnel pop is down than primary tunnel it stuck even it is up, than whne i drop the second interface the first tunnel start to work..any help? |
| 01:11.41 | petterw | Hi, I'm getting this from apt-get update: "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1". Could there be a problem with a package or do you think it's a local problem? |
| 01:11.57 | eldowan | !tell petterw about etch key |
| 01:12.16 | eldowan | petterw: check for a message from dpkg |
| 01:12.33 | tonyb2006 | is there install media that holds just a debian base system? |
| 01:12.52 | tonyb2006 | and ignores the outside world |
| 01:13.02 | petterw | eldowan: thanks |
| 01:13.18 | eldowan | tonyb2006: a debian full cd/dvd, using no mirror. |
| 01:13.22 | eldowan | petterw: no problem/ |
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| 01:13.39 | tonyb2006 | eldowan: Isn't that 16cds? |
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| 01:14.17 | tonyb2006 | i think the netinst disk has it |
| 01:14.28 | eldowan | tonyb2006: If you want *ALL* the packages. Most installations only need the first, and maybe second or third cd. Or you can just download and burn a full 4.4GB DVD |
| 01:14.45 | tonyb2006 | i want base system |
| 01:14.50 | plugwash | netinst has the complete base system and little more (e.g. nothing like x) |
| 01:15.06 | tonyb2006 | yeah netinst is what I used before |
| 01:15.10 | eldowan | I thought netinst needed the outside world. |
| 01:15.12 | tonyb2006 | just wondering if there was anything better |
| 01:15.34 | stoned | better? |
| 01:15.34 | tonyb2006 | like....with a lil more |
| 01:15.34 | tonyb2006 | what does CD1 of debian have? |
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| 01:16.12 | plugwash | it is supposed to have all the standard installation tasks but due to some screups with the latest point release of sarge it doesn't |
| 01:16.15 | stoned | whas wrong with just downloading packages? |
| 01:16.21 | superjon | How do you add the $Id: line in a file under svn? Is that autogenerated somehow via macro expansion or something? |
| 01:16.30 | plugwash | so if you use the latest point release of sarge you are likely to find yourself wanting CD2 as well |
| 01:16.39 | tonyb2006 | stoned: odd firewall |
| 01:17.00 | stoned | you mean shitty firewall (assuming you have full access to it) |
| 01:17.01 | plugwash | on the later CDs packages are arranged in decreasing order of popularity |
| 01:17.09 | eldowan | tonyb2006: If you can't download packages, you probably want CD1 or DVD1 |
| 01:17.10 | tonyb2006 | I'm talkin etch |
| 01:17.18 | tonyb2006 | if i get just CD1, am I good? |
| 01:17.26 | tonyb2006 | for a gui-install? |
| 01:17.37 | stoned | yeah, go with ubuntu |
| 01:17.48 | tonyb2006 | stoned: dont want ubuntu |
| 01:17.55 | tonyb2006 | i'll just use netinst |
| 01:17.58 | plugwash | you'll certainly be able to install the base system, not sure if all the gui stuff will be there or not |
| 01:17.58 | dvs | !beer tonyb2006 |
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| 01:18.05 | eldowan | stoned: bad joke |
| 01:18.22 | stoned | it wasn't a joke |
| 01:18.31 | eldowan | stoned: oops. |
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| 01:18.58 | stoned | tonyb2006, and dvs, he contributed to the deliquency of a minor |
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| 01:19.03 | tonyb2006 | yes |
| 01:19.14 | stoned | delinguency |
| 01:19.19 | tonyb2006 | its funny because I'm actually 15... |
| 01:19.22 | stoned | oh fuck it, I'm not gonna attempt to spell it |
| 01:19.27 | stoned | q |
| 01:19.31 | stoned | FSCK@! |
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| 01:20.03 | eldowan | enjoy it stoned |
| 01:20.30 | dvs | stoned: bad inflience! ;-) |
| 01:20.34 | Azar | hah gui-install what a baby |
| 01:21.12 | eldowan | dvs: stoned? a bad influence? never... |
| 01:21.18 | stoned | bite me |
| 01:21.23 | dvs | do a serial install! |
| 01:21.27 | Azar | baby |
| 01:22.05 | Azar | anyways I feel will be delays with etch |
| 01:22.11 | Seb | man i wanna get off work and go hang out with stoned heh |
| 01:22.22 | superjon | Azar: You know, people like you are the reason I didn't use debian ever when I started with linux in early 96. After a few intelligent questions on the mailinglists and RTFM n00b after I obviously had, debian was dead to me. |
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| 01:22.40 | Seb | superjon: exactly |
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| 01:22.53 | Seb | Azar: don't patronize people, especially if you can't help them out |
| 01:23.01 | superjon | Azar: I actually *refused* to use debian or anything debian based until Ubuntu came out |
| 01:23.02 | stoned | Seb, you're welcome |
| 01:23.23 | Seb | Azar: you and I might love a serial insstall, but is it that hard to realize it can't fit the bill for everyone ? |
| 01:23.36 | Azar | superjon: sorry to have hurt your feelings, but I felt the opposite: my first ever move away from win was Debian exactly because was totally different, new and because I felt bashed here |
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| 01:23.47 | Seb | superjon: well anyway, the etch beta installer has a gui wizard iirc |
| 01:23.57 | tonyb2006 | yes it does |
| 01:23.59 | superjon | Seb I'm a sys admin ;-) |
| 01:24.02 | Azar | but then again, not everyone feels like I felt |
| 01:24.11 | Seb | Azar: good for you; as I say, don't think everyone thinks like you. |
| 01:24.17 | Seb | superjon: so am I heh |
| 01:24.17 | tonyb2006 | damn CD drive wont eject |
| 01:24.20 | Seb | stoned: where you at ? |
| 01:24.29 | stoned | up your BUM! |
| 01:24.32 | stoned | bum bum !~ |
| 01:24.33 | superjon | Azar: People like you being a prick are the reason distros like Ubuntu are so popular over Debian proper |
| 01:24.36 | stoned | oklahoma |
| 01:24.44 | Seb | stoned: CA here |
| 01:24.52 | stoned | :/ fucking bible belt, but we have a LUG + debian group! |
| 01:24.54 | Seb | stoned: t'is gonna be a bit far heh |
| 01:24.56 | Azar | superjon: yep, only pricks stick with Debian |
| 01:25.01 | eldowan | Seb: isn't that a long walk for a smoke? |
| 01:25.18 | stoned | seb is a tool |
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| 01:25.28 | tonyb2006 | EJECT BASTARD |
| 01:25.31 | stoned | he wants to come here, don't you know cali has the best shiz |
| 01:25.33 | blondie | feel the love |
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| 01:25.35 | superjon | Azar: I could care less, I'm just telling you that you're the reason lots of people *dont* stick with debian. It is kind of like ESR and his rants making open source in general look bad. Stop |
| 01:25.36 | stoned | but this is entirely too offtopic |
| 01:25.39 | stoned | can we kindly move on |
| 01:25.40 | eldowan | tonyb2006: have you run eject from the command line? |
| 01:25.44 | Seb | stoned: i was just being sympathetic, i do have the best stuff at home |
| 01:25.48 | Seb | stoned: you don't need to be insulting |
| 01:25.51 | sigp239 | please send instructions on how to install nvidia 3d driver. |
| 01:25.56 | tonyb2006 | eldowan: yes |
| 01:25.57 | Azar | superjon: that why Ubuntu was created for gui-click-prick lovers |
| 01:25.57 | blondie | superjon: you need a negative in the first part of that sentence |
| 01:26.00 | blondie | sigp239: no |
| 01:26.04 | eldowan | tonyb2006: try running it as root |
| 01:26.07 | stoned | Seb, awe, that was said with much love |
| 01:26.09 | stoned | you're a tool :) |
| 01:26.11 | JordiGH | Damnit. I can't believe I missed the flamewar. |
| 01:26.16 | tonyb2006 | yay |
| 01:26.18 | tonyb2006 | i got it |
| 01:26.20 | odla | gui-click-prick...i like that :) |
| 01:26.20 | superjon | Azar: Seriously troll, get a life |
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| 01:26.27 | tonyb2006 | i had to jam one of the pins from an LED in there |
| 01:26.36 | |splat|g4 | so in etch, the nvidia driver must be downloaded from nvidia and installed using their installer, correct? |
| 01:26.39 | odla | superjon: Azar is an op, i believe, and quite possibly a Developer |
| 01:26.41 | eldowan | tonyb2006: that's bad to do... :/ |
| 01:26.43 | superjon | tonyb2006: If your cd was locked, it might have been from the kernel |
| 01:26.44 | Seb | Azar: there is no such think as a "gui-click-prick lover". What the fuck is wrong with you ? |
| 01:26.52 | Seb | odla: mightbe, but he sure is an ass |
| 01:26.54 | JordiGH | |splat|g4: No. |
| 01:27.00 | dooglus | if anyone's still having trouble with apt-get reporting about a missing public key, upgrading "debian-archive-keyring" fixes it without having to manually download a new key |
| 01:27.11 | tonyb2006 | superjon: no kernel messages |
| 01:27.13 | Seb | dooglus: ah, good to know |
| 01:27.14 | Azar | calm down jentlemen, I was just yanking your chains a bit, nothing seriously damaging |
| 01:27.15 | eldowan | !tell |splat|g4 about nvidia one liner |
| 01:27.23 | odla | ha ha |
| 01:27.26 | tonyb2006 | !any ideas |
| 01:27.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:27.33 | superjon | Try this: echo 0 > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock |
| 01:27.42 | odla | vegemite...is that the stuff that the brits eat? |
| 01:27.43 | Seb | Azar: yeah, we don't quite have enough trolls as it is, you're right. |
| 01:27.49 | superjon | tonyb2006: The kernel often locks the cdrom and makes the eject command useless |
| 01:27.51 | dooglus | Seb: it just hit my local mirror an hour ago. I've no idea why they started using the key before making it available in the keyring package, but the warning has gone away now anyway... |
| 01:27.51 | sigp239 | blondie: why do you say no? just to be rude? if you don't wish to help, then how about just not saying anything at all? |
| 01:27.54 | blondie | odla: NO! it's australian. we have marmite |
| 01:27.59 | Seb | dooglus: cool |
| 01:27.59 | superjon | tonyb2006: Try that command, and then eject |
| 01:28.05 | odla | blondie: shit you're right...my bad |
| 01:28.10 | blondie | sigp239: how about asking |
| 01:28.13 | stoned | blondie, the big lebowski, but they were german |
| 01:28.14 | stoned | :) |
| 01:28.16 | dooglus | blondie: I heard a rumour that bovril has gone veggie - is that true? |
| 01:28.18 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.22 | superjon | odla: If he kicks me, he proves my point |
| 01:28.29 | sigp239 | blondie: that's what I did. I asked. And I even said please. |
| 01:28.30 | odla | superjon: you are trolling though |
| 01:28.37 | tonyb2006 | tonyb@TonyBox:~$ cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock |
| 01:28.37 | tonyb2006 | 1 |
| 01:28.38 | blondie | sigp239: you didn't ask |
| 01:28.39 | odla | superjon: just relax a bit |
| 01:28.43 | tonyb2006 | that means its locked, doesn't it? |
| 01:28.43 | blondie | dooglus: I hope so. |
| 01:29.04 | odla | -14...i hate edmonton |
| 01:29.08 | dooglus | blondie: I've not been back to the UK for a while, but the whole point of bovril was that it's made from bovines, isn't it? |
| 01:29.09 | dvs | heh |
| 01:29.10 | stoned | everyone needs to stop telling everyone to relax. Just cut it out and discuss debian, other than that, please take your conversations elsewhere |
| 01:29.15 | odla | -22 with windchill |
| 01:29.15 | blondie | dooglus: vile! |
| 01:29.17 | sigp239 | blondie: are you that sensitive? are you offended because my request wasn't followed by a question mark? |
| 01:29.18 | eldowan | tonyb2006: probably, did you tet the post from superjon eralier? |
| 01:29.23 | dvs | odla: snow? |
| 01:29.26 | blondie | sigp239: it wasn't even a question |
| 01:29.30 | superjon | odla: Sorry, guess I'm still bitter from when I was trying to learn linux. People being elitest pricks to newbies are plain wrong. </end-rant> |
| 01:29.33 | blondie | it was an order |
| 01:29.36 | tonyb2006 | eldowan: not yet |
| 01:29.37 | stoned | blondie, you're not a question |
| 01:29.39 | odla | dvs: a little bit...we've had snow on the ground since the beginning of october |
| 01:29.45 | dvs | sheesh! |
| 01:29.47 | stoned | er.. |
| 01:29.51 | blondie | stoned: I'm not claiming to have asked a question |
| 01:29.59 | eldowan | tonyb2006: [19:27] <superjon> Try this: echo 0 > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock |
| 01:30.00 | odla | dvs: we got a foot last week |
| 01:30.04 | Azar | superjon: I could kindly offer you the links to the Debian howtos... |
| 01:30.06 | stoned | blondie, no no, like that movie, Benchwarmers |
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| 01:30.10 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 01:30.17 | odla | Hi ! |
| 01:30.18 | sigp239 | blondie: so what if it wasn't a question? i'm asking for help politely. |
| 01:30.21 | dvs | odla: We've had a light dusting but that's it. |
| 01:30.31 | dooglus | superjon: #debian is never very newbie friendly in my experience. "RTFM" is a common answer to newbie questions here, even though Linux man pages seem to be very confusing to newbies |
| 01:30.31 | superjon | Azar: You understand what I'm saying. That was all I was after. Thankyou |
| 01:30.31 | blondie | sigp239: didn't come across very polite |
| 01:30.32 | stoned | hes like, dude, don't chop with it, its not a sword, and david spade goes, you're not a sword |
| 01:30.33 | stoned | lol |
| 01:30.42 | blondie | sigp239: ignore me anyway |
| 01:30.58 | odla | dvs: yeah it's been a pretty snowy fall/winter so far |
| 01:31.04 | blondie | (that advice may cause a paradoc) |
| 01:31.05 | odla | way more than last year |
| 01:31.05 | blondie | *x |
| 01:31.06 | yoo | IS a software exist to translate a .txt english text to french ? |
| 01:31.13 | sigp239 | please send instructions on how to install nvidia 3d driver. |
| 01:31.14 | yoo | a translator :) |
| 01:31.15 | eldowan | got to love david spade |
| 01:31.22 | Azar | superjon: no problem I was a beginner like you, got the manuals, and learned, no magic there: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 01:31.27 | odla | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:31.27 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 01:31.36 | odla | sigp239: ^^^^ |
| 01:31.37 | dooglus | yoo: you can paste text into translate.google.com and get it translated, but I don 't know of a standalone translator |
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| 01:31.43 | sigp239 | thanks |
| 01:31.50 | yoo | dooglus, thanks |
| 01:32.05 | stoned | dooglus, its plenty newbie friendly. I know because I see people in here demanding help, and wanting to be spoonfed. How do you think others became knowledgable, reading and playing around with it. No one in here was spoonfed, and we don't do that for others |
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| 01:32.31 | dooglus | yoo: it wouldn't be too hard to write a script which passed your text file through google's translator using wget or curl or some such I guess |
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| 01:32.37 | stoned | dooglus, we'll point in the right direction, make sure you know what you're dealing with, then if that is unclear, be happy to answer questions |
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| 01:32.44 | Azar | stoned: with some exceptions: goodlooking ones |
| 01:32.48 | eldowan | I was here as a newbie, and was helped quite kindly most every time. I say it is plenty noob friendly. |
| 01:32.51 | stoned | lol |
| 01:33.01 | sigp239 | does anyone actually know what "pciids" is? |
| 01:33.07 | odla | !pciids |
| 01:33.07 | dpkg | somebody said pciids was run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 01:33.14 | lastnode | eldowan, for some reason, im stuck in 1024x768, and when i try to go higher, the screen maps all funny. im using the ati driver. any ideas? |
| 01:33.20 | odla | sigp239: dpkg does ;) |
| 01:33.25 | sigp239 | cool |
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| 01:33.34 | stoned | lastnode, configure your monitor sync rates, horiz/vert frequencies |
| 01:33.37 | eldowan | lastnode: What do you mean "maps all funny"? |
| 01:33.39 | Azar | there is no noob/newbie..etc, if new users are at least trying to read the documentation, welcome to ask on what they do not understand |
| 01:33.47 | sigp239 | it's probably a front program for a remote hole |
| 01:33.49 | sigp239 | ;) |
| 01:33.49 | lastnode | eldowan, it overlaps, for example |
| 01:33.50 | |splat|g4 | is there anything wrong with me downloading the nvidia package and installing that instead of using the debian package in etch? |
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| 01:33.57 | lastnode | stoned, how would i do that? via dpkg-reconfgiure? |
| 01:33.59 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 01:34.00 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 01:34.09 | stoned | lastnode, no, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:34.10 | JordiGH | Right, so to play DVDs, what should I install? |
| 01:34.17 | odla | JordiGH: libdvdcss |
| 01:34.18 | blondie | JordiGH: nothing |
| 01:34.19 | eldowan | Wyzard: Are you around? |
| 01:34.20 | JordiGH | |splat|g4: Yeah, what's wrong is that it probably won't work. |
| 01:34.22 | stoned | or XF86Config-4 whatever you use |
| 01:34.26 | dooglus | ok, here's my newbie question: I'm trying to move away from using 'evolution' as my mail client. I'm trying to use 'mutt' instead, but 'mutt' can't POP my mail from gmail.com, so I've set up fetchmail to do that for me. I like to have my incoming mail filed into folders depending on where it comes from. Is that a job for fetchmail or mitt or something else? |
| 01:34.27 | |splat|g4 | ah |
| 01:34.35 | lastnode | stoned, what should they be set at? |
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| 01:34.52 | JordiGH | And a player for DVDs? mplayer? |
| 01:34.58 | blondie | mplayer plays them yes |
| 01:35.04 | lastnode | JordiGH, or xine-ui |
| 01:35.04 | blondie | but it's not in debian |
| 01:35.05 | stoned | lastnode, look up your monitors specs on google, then set those in the config file |
| 01:35.10 | odla | JordiGH: sure...or totem |
| 01:35.14 | odla | JordiGH: kde or gnome? |
| 01:35.17 | lastnode | stoned, it's a laptop im running |
| 01:35.20 | JordiGH | blondie: mplayer is already in unstable! |
| 01:35.24 | JordiGH | !info mplayer |
| 01:35.27 | odla | JordiGH: i like oxine it's real cool |
| 01:35.30 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4201 kB, Installed size: 9576 kB |
| 01:35.34 | JordiGH | C'mon, dpkg, don't make me look bad... yes! |
| 01:35.34 | sbs2 | dooglus: iirc you can have fetchmail handoff mail to procmail and procmail will sort |
| 01:35.34 | eldowan | blondie: I thought mplayer was just added back. |
| 01:35.45 | Azar | dooglus: try asking in #mutt they can be more specific |
| 01:35.47 | odla | eldowan: it was |
| 01:35.51 | |splat|g4 | cause the wiki says i need a 9000 series driver to use compiz, which is what i'd like to do, but the only 9000series driver on the rdonald page is in experimental, and it doesn't look like i can download it |
| 01:35.53 | blondie | well we don't talk about unstable here ;) |
| 01:35.55 | dooglus | JordiGH: type "mplayer dvd://1" to play DVDs |
| 01:35.55 | stoned | lastnode, I don't mess with laptops |
| 01:35.59 | JordiGH | odla: gnome. |
| 01:36.03 | odla | iceweasel iceweasel |
| 01:36.04 | lastnode | stoned, ok, thanks |
| 01:36.09 | odla | JordiGH: totem can play dvds |
| 01:36.14 | odla | JordiGH: and it supports menus |
| 01:36.14 | JordiGH | dooglus: What about region issues? libdvdcss will take care of that? |
| 01:36.30 | eldowan | |splat|g4: You can download the needed packages from the unstable repo and use those in testing. |
| 01:36.34 | dooglus | JordiGH: mplayer doesn't look at the region code, as far as I know. |
| 01:36.47 | JordiGH | dooglus: Uh, but the dvd is encrypted, isn't it? |
| 01:36.50 | blondie | dooglus: DVD drives look at region codes |
| 01:36.59 | blondie | don't they? |
| 01:37.00 | dooglus | JordiGH: yes, but that's nothing to do with the region code |
| 01:37.12 | blondie | stupid MPAA wankers |
| 01:37.22 | odla | beryl is so cool :) |
| 01:37.32 | lastnode | isn't gnome 2.6.16 supposed to be in sid? im running it, and just have 2.6.14.2 |
| 01:37.34 | Azar | damn, folks at debianadmin.com do not seem to have time to answer questions |
| 01:37.40 | dooglus | blondie: I've never had a DVD fail to play, but maybe all my DVDs are in the 'right' region, so I don't know |
| 01:37.45 | sigp239 | hey what are nvidia-graphics-drivers? are those the free version of the nvidia 3d drivers? |
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| 01:37.58 | JordiGH | dooglus: This is a .us bought lappy trying to play dvds here in .mx |
| 01:37.59 | amphi | JordiGH: in modern (rpc2) drives, the firmware enforces the region cof |
| 01:38.03 | odla | lastnode: 2.16...some packages not those that depend on gtk+ 2.10 |
| 01:38.03 | blondie | lastnode: you mean 2.16? |
| 01:38.08 | odla | i mean glibc 2.10 |
| 01:38.09 | odla | i think |
| 01:38.11 | amphi | JordiGH: er, region-coding |
| 01:38.12 | dooglus | lastnode: sid is running GNOME 2.14, and apparently will until etch ships. 2.16 is in experimental. |
| 01:38.12 | odla | one of thoese |
| 01:38.26 | lastnode | dooglus, i can upgrade from sid to experimental? |
| 01:38.29 | JordiGH | amphi: I think we had this discussion before. I'm actually on the lappy I want to DVDify right now. How do I check the drive's firmware? |
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| 01:38.34 | lastnode | what is the nickname for experimetnal btw? |
| 01:38.36 | odla | lastnode: experimental is not complete |
| 01:38.37 | blondie | lastnode: don't do that. |
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| 01:38.43 | JordiGH | lastnode: "upgrade" is a funny word to use there. |
| 01:38.44 | odla | lastnode: you could use pinning |
| 01:38.47 | JordiGH | !experimental |
| 01:38.47 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 01:38.47 | odla | !tell lastnode about pinning |
| 01:38.48 | Azar | sigp239: the nvidia drivers are not free, there is some cocktail made by debian for it |
| 01:38.50 | dooglus | lastnode: I looked at it, but it's scary, so I didn't. there are lots of warnings about doing so. |
| 01:39.16 | lastnode | dooglus, this is my extra partition |
| 01:39.17 | amphi | JordiGH: regionset will tell you the region (and optionally set it); I don't know if .mx is region 1 or not |
| 01:39.20 | dooglus | lastnode: ubuntu edgy has GNOME 2.16 if you just want to try it - I installed it in a chroot |
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| 01:39.32 | JordiGH | amphi: I think we're the same region as .au. Go figure. |
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| 01:39.35 | |splat|g4 | eldowan: where is the package repo? |
| 01:39.39 | blondie | dooglus: hide and seek? |
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| 01:39.45 | amphi | JordiGH: of course ;) is that 4? |
| 01:39.52 | dooglus | blondie: ducking bullets from the anti-ubuntu squad |
| 01:39.55 | odla | lastnode: there really isn't a whole lot of difference between 2.14 and 2.16 imo |
| 01:39.57 | JordiGH | amphi: Think so... |
| 01:39.57 | |splat|g4 | i'm looking thru packages.debian.org right now |
| 01:40.00 | eldowan | |splat|g4: Just a second. I'll try to get you the url's to download the needed packages. |
| 01:40.26 | JordiGH | amphi: Hm. "vendor resets available: 4". There's a way to override, that? |
| 01:40.30 | Azar | dooglus: your remark does not make any sense here since ubuntu is not debian |
| 01:40.41 | amphi | JordiGH: in any case, the best thing is to reflash the drive with an 'ameliorated' firmware to make it rpc1, if such a fw exists |
| 01:40.47 | dooglus | Azar: I didn't say it was |
| 01:40.48 | JordiGH | "RPC Phase: II." Looks like I'm screwed. |
| 01:40.54 | amphi | JordiGH: nope, not AFAIK |
| 01:41.04 | scottven | I'm trying the RC1 graphical installer on an amd64 machine and it appears to hang before the kernel finishes booting... anyone have experience/knowledge about this? |
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| 01:41.13 | JordiGH | amphi: This flashing RPC1 business... non-trivial? |
| 01:41.43 | amphi | JordiGH: fairly trivial - an image and a dos exe to flash it |
| 01:41.52 | Azar | scottven: the way I read complaints from testing people, grub seems to cough on the installer |
| 01:42.03 | JordiGH | amphi: Oh. I'll need to reboot into Windows? Is this something I can just google? |
| 01:42.32 | JordiGH | amphi: Also, any dangers I should be aware of? I'll have a very angry gf if it turns out this fries her dvd player and it won't even work in .us anymore. |
| 01:42.42 | eldowan | |splat|g4: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=9625&searchon=all&subword=1&version=experimental&release=all |
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| 01:42.47 | amphi | JordiGH: last time I needed to do it, I did it of a floppy, so I did it from a ramdisk, for fear of the floppy crapping out halfway through |
| 01:42.53 | scottven | Azar: this gets pats grub... the kernel hung after printing stuff about ACPI. Specifically: "ACPI: Found ECDT" |
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| 01:43.00 | eldowan | |splat|g4: You need nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:43.07 | |splat|g4 | ok |
| 01:43.12 | enderst | how do i fix 'W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1'? says to run 'apt-get update' that's how i got the error. |
| 01:43.23 | eldowan | |splat|g4: After that /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 01:43.26 | odla | !etch key |
| 01:43.26 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 01:43.35 | amphi | JordiGH: no guarantees, I guess, but it's quite a common procedure - you should be able to reflash with the oem fw in any case |
| 01:43.35 | odla | enderst: ^^^^^ |
| 01:43.46 | amphi | JordiGH: lemme find you a url |
| 01:44.14 | k-man__ | i get this strange problem when i boot my debian box |
| 01:44.18 | Azar | scottven: what kernel is it using? the installer default? |
| 01:44.23 | JordiGH | amphi :-) |
| 01:44.42 | JordiGH | Ooh. Epiphany looks nice. IceWeasel my foot! |
| 01:44.51 | |splat| | eldowan: do those need to be in any specific location? |
| 01:44.58 | scottven | Azar: yea... I just grabbed the ISO and burned it. |
| 01:44.59 | odla | JordiGH: konqueror...now there's a speedy browser |
| 01:45.05 | k-man__ | it hangs on this message:setting up general console font... |
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| 01:45.14 | k-man__ | what package is that in? |
| 01:45.15 | k-man__ | any ideas? |
| 01:45.17 | JordiGH | odla: I like Konqui too. :-) |
| 01:45.19 | amphi | JordiGH: you need the exact make and model of the drive, obviously - cdrecord -scanbus should tell you enough; see http://tdb.rpc1.org/ |
| 01:45.31 | enderst | odla: thx, all better now |
| 01:45.32 | Azar | scottven: that would make a good bug report if you wish |
| 01:45.37 | odla | enderst: np |
| 01:45.42 | eldowan | |splat|g4: You will install them manually, so no. You also might need this package linux-kbuild-2.6.18 from experimental also. |
| 01:45.43 | Azar | JordiGH: try links |
| 01:45.51 | amphi | JordiGH: I hope you find a suitable fw - I'm a big fan of the peaceful liberation of dvd drives |
| 01:45.52 | |splat| | ok |
| 01:45.53 | JordiGH | Azar: Try cock. |
| 01:45.54 | odla | oh yeah links2 -g ...vroom vroom |
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| 01:46.00 | Azar | psss not nice |
| 01:46.06 | odla | wow |
| 01:46.16 | |splat| | <- |splat|g4 on debian box |
| 01:46.19 | JordiGH | Azar: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=try%20cock |
| 01:46.21 | |splat| | btw |
| 01:46.38 | scottven | Azar: using the "installtion report" link or the general bug report or something else? |
| 01:47.06 | Azar | scottven: hmmmm holdon |
| 01:47.47 | amphi | JordiGH: the note at the bottom of that page is worth reading, perhaps ;) |
| 01:48.01 | JordiGH | amphi: One sec.. |
| 01:48.25 | eldowan | |splat|: all goes well? |
| 01:48.32 | Phated | Azar: Hahah. |
| 01:48.35 | Phated | !azar++ |
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| 01:48.41 | JordiGH | "We firmly believe piracy is immoral?" |
| 01:48.42 | |splat| | still reading to make sure i do everything right |
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| 01:48.58 | eldowan | |splat|: :D |
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| 01:49.09 | Azar | scottven: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 01:49.21 | lastnode_ | what is the gnome meta package? gnome and gnome-base are not found in experimental |
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| 01:49.51 | odla | lastnode_: gnome is the meta package |
| 01:49.55 | amphi | JordiGH: I was thinking of the more practical section ;) |
| 01:50.13 | |splat| | eldowan: so when i use that one liner, does that build the nvidia-glx and nvidia-source i just downloaded manually? and do i need to run that in a specific dir?> |
| 01:50.14 | sigp239 | check |
| 01:50.21 | scottven | Azar: thanks! |
| 01:50.21 | JordiGH | Does GNOME have something like k3b? |
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| 01:50.50 | odla | JordiGH: nautilus burns cd, gnomebaker, gnometoaster are good... |
| 01:50.55 | k-man__ | which package would be responsible for setting up the general console font at boot time? |
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| 01:51.06 | odla | JordiGH: ah bonfire! |
| 01:51.09 | odla | that one is good |
| 01:51.18 | zzswift | how do you start services in debian sarge? |
| 01:51.18 | JordiGH | odla: Oh. I thought that last one was a pun. ;-) |
| 01:51.25 | eldowan | |splat|: When it says apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source, you need to do dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source.....deb |
| 01:51.52 | JordiGH | amphi: That webpage thinks I'm running Mozilla.. but it's actually Konqui! :P |
| 01:51.55 | |splat| | ok so run that in the dir i downloaded the kernel source to then, right |
| 01:52.17 | eldowan | |splat|: Yes, and you have to be root to do the dpkg -i. |
| 01:52.36 | JordiGH | !services |
| 01:52.37 | dpkg | hmm... services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 01:52.47 | |splat| | ok, so dpkg -i for nvidia glx and nvidia-sources, just to make sure |
| 01:52.49 | odla | lastnode_: you do know what you are getting yourself into with experimental packages right? and you know that experimental isn't a true branch... |
| 01:53.18 | eldowan | |splat|: yes, you need to full file name though. And the same goes for when it says apt-get install nvidia-glx, you need to dpkg -i it also. |
| 01:53.18 | plugwash | JordiGH i seem to remember konqueror calling itself mozilla 5.0 compatible rather than mozilla 4.0 compatible, that may be the reason |
| 01:53.39 | JordiGH | plugwash: Konqui can identify as a number of different browsers... |
| 01:53.52 | |splat| | eldowan: and i can be in X in a terminal running this? |
| 01:54.06 | k-man__ | is it safe to remove base-config? |
| 01:54.17 | abrotman | no |
| 01:54.26 | eldowan | |splat|: I'm not sure. |
| 01:54.41 | amphi | JordiGH: did you find the fw you need? |
| 01:55.10 | JordiGH | amphi: Still aptitude install silly stuff... one sec. :-) |
| 01:55.15 | plugwash | i'm pretty sure you can safely nuke base-config once stuff is configured |
| 01:55.47 | plugwash | its really just a hand holder for setting stuff up on a new install (i think it has been scrapped in etch but i'm not sure) |
| 01:56.19 | JordiGH | Oh, right. cdrecord got taken out of Debian because the upstream author went nuts. |
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| 01:56.39 | JordiGH | !info cdrecord |
| 01:56.42 | dpkg | cdrecord: (Dummy package for transition to wodim), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 5:1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 4 kB |
| 01:56.44 | gimmulf_ | Is it hard setting up name servers in Debian? What do i need? |
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| 01:57.11 | k-man__ | for some reason, at boot time, my computer hangs when it tries to execute /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 01:57.12 | eldowan | gimmulf_: bind9 should work nicely. It should also have many tutorials on the net. |
| 01:57.18 | JordiGH | amphi: I need another option for figuring out the firmware I need... I hope you're not getting tired of me. |
| 01:57.37 | k-man__ | can i just remove console-screen.sh? I have managed to boot using a rescue disk |
| 01:57.42 | gimmulf_ | eldowan: what about named ? |
| 01:57.51 | eldowan | gimmulf_: That is what I meant. :) |
| 01:57.51 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.54 | JordiGH | Is that it? |
| 01:57.58 | gimmulf_ | eldowan: ahh ok ok : |
| 01:58.02 | gimmulf_ | :) |
| 01:58.43 | |splat| | eldowan: etch has xorg-server right |
| 01:58.49 | JordiGH | (Konqui looks weird on metacity...) |
| 01:58.57 | |splat| | xserver-xorg |
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| 01:59.11 | eldowan | |splat|: yes |
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| 02:00.46 | |splat| | eldowan: there is nothing about nvidia-kernel-source in the one-liner, should I add it in? |
| 02:01.02 | eldowan | |splat|: Just a sec. |
| 02:01.38 | JordiGH | amphi: Hm. Lots of flashers for DOS. I guess booting into WinXP to do this isn't recommended then? Should I try dosemu? |
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| 02:02.40 | JordiGH | plugwash: Where am I going to find one of those? microsoft.com? :-/ |
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| 02:03.04 | |splat| | eldowan: i msged you my one-liner |
| 02:03.13 | |splat| | does that look ok? |
| 02:03.34 | amphi | JordiGH: yeah, I always used a dos floppy with a ramdisk before |
| 02:03.46 | amphi | JordiGH: freedos perhaps |
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| 02:03.56 | eldowan | |splat|: I would try it with the kernel-source before glx |
| 02:03.56 | plugwash | JordiGH just google for windows 98 startup disk, you'll find one pretty easilly |
| 02:04.05 | |splat| | ok |
| 02:04.08 | JordiGH | plugwash: Alrighty... |
| 02:04.17 | JordiGH | amphi: Kay, looks like I found the firmware I want. |
| 02:04.17 | abrotman | bootdisk.com |
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| 02:04.34 | |splat| | here goes nothing |
| 02:05.17 | JordiGH | This feels so wrong... booting into DOS to liberate my dvd drive. I guess Che Guevara also had to crawl in the mud... |
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| 02:05.40 | |splat| | ack. it's asking me for a snapshot cd |
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| 02:05.49 | g333k_work | hi, how to force my pc to use the alias for a NIC eth0 instead eth1 ? |
| 02:05.55 | eldowan | |splat|: What exactly is it saying? |
| 02:06.06 | |splat| | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 02:06.15 | abrotman | g333k_work: udev rules or ifname |
| 02:06.17 | |splat| | 'Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20061111)' |
| 02:06.32 | |splat| | in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 02:06.38 | |splat| | i guess its not configured for ftp yet |
| 02:06.50 | eldowan | |splat|: When you installed, you are still looking for the cdrom. configure /etc/apt/source.list |
| 02:06.57 | g333k_work | abrotman, I dont have ifname |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 02:07.11 | g333k_work | abrotman, how is the another way? |
| 02:07.13 | |splat| | eldowan: i used the netinst, you'd think it would've carried the ftp over |
| 02:07.20 | zzswift | is their any reason why debian would recognize a 512mb jump drive by memorex but wont recognize a 1.0 gig by verbatium? is it a size thing or perhaps a driver issue? |
| 02:07.25 | abrotman | g333k_work: udev rules |
| 02:07.36 | g333k_work | abrotman, what do I have to do? |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | read about them |
| 02:07.52 | |splat| | the lines are in there, but the cdrom is first |
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| 02:08.35 | eldowan | |splat|: either place the cd in the cdrom, or comment that line out. |
| 02:08.37 | |splat| | after i edit the list, do i need to run anything to apply the changes? or is it good to go |
| 02:08.47 | |splat| | commented out, i don't have the cd |
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| 02:10.17 | |splat| | nope, its going now |
| 02:10.28 | Ether_Man | I've installed a minimal debian on this comp now and this might be a stupid question but is it possible to download just the basics needed for compilation without downloading the entire disc1 and mounting that in loopback? Kinda slow connection so wanna download as little as possible :) |
| 02:10.46 | JordiGH | !d-i |
| 02:10.46 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 02:11.01 | JordiGH | Ether_Man: Also, there's nothing to compile in Debian, not unless you very specifically ask to do it. |
| 02:11.05 | dvs | Ether_Man: apt-get install build-essentail |
| 02:11.15 | jelly-home | !win dvs |
| 02:11.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, dvs! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:11.22 | dvs | yuck! |
| 02:11.36 | dvs | essentail? |
| 02:11.44 | dvs | !b-e dvs |
| 02:11.44 | dpkg | dvs: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 02:11.45 | Ether_Man | Ah but the problem is that I cannot install any packages without being able to compile as I need to compile the network driver :) |
| 02:11.45 | jelly-home | essential |
| 02:12.13 | jelly-home | hah |
| 02:12.41 | jelly-home | Ether_Man: is this sarge? |
| 02:12.46 | Ether_Man | etch |
| 02:13.03 | jelly-home | Ether_Man: which network driver does etch not have? |
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| 02:13.32 | Ether_Man | rt61 |
| 02:14.00 | Ether_Man | Currently used by some revs of d-link cards among other things |
| 02:14.01 | JordiGH | The RPC1 flasher's README makes everything look extremely scary... |
| 02:14.33 | |splat| | module-assistant error message: installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Maybe you need to add something to the sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives |
| 02:14.50 | plugwash | Ether_Man getting a copy of the binary 1 CD would probablly be your best idea, there isn't any technical reason you can't download the build essential stuff manually and install it but it will be a bloody lot of work to find and download all the deps |
| 02:14.52 | JordiGH | I can boot from a usb pendrive, right? The "floppy" is just a metaphor... DOS will be happy with a usb drive? I don't think this lappy even has a floppy drive. At least, I don't see one. |
| 02:14.59 | eldowan | |splat|: dkpg -i the kernel-source, and try again |
| 02:15.03 | jelly-home | Ether_Man: hmmm... do you have some livecd with working network at hand? You could temporarily take their kernel + drivers. |
| 02:15.20 | plugwash | Ether_Man alternatively if you have another linux install working on the system, if so you should be able to chroot into your debian system and use apt |
| 02:16.01 | |splat| | it also complained of not having debhelper installed |
| 02:16.22 | Ether_Man | First time installing linux at home :) oh well.. guess I'll have to download the binary-1 overnight ;_; |
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| 02:16.32 | eldowan | |splat|: Get debhelper from experimental |
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| 02:16.40 | jelly-home | Ether_Man: yeah, same thing. I'd just copy over the kernel stuff, set up boot loader accordingly and boot Debian with a working kernel |
| 02:16.44 | dvs | Ether_Man: nah, the netinst is good enough |
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| 02:17.39 | Ether_Man | dvs: I have installed using the netinst but netinst doesnt have essentials which I need to compile the network drivers.. the drivers that I need to be able to get essentials :) |
| 02:17.53 | dvs | Ether_Man: for etch? |
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| 02:18.19 | |splat| | eldowan: how do i get it, the website says its a virtual package |
| 02:18.24 | Ether_Man | Yes.. Etch netinst cd does not have the rt61 network driver |
| 02:18.50 | eldowan | |splat|: pastebin your error. /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 02:18.54 | magyar | hi, how do i obtain etch repo keys? |
| 02:19.20 | dvs | !etch keys |
| 02:19.23 | sigp239 | hey |
| 02:19.29 | plugwash | !etch key |
| 02:19.29 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 02:19.40 | sigp239 | what's the nvidia one-liner |
| 02:19.50 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:19.50 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:19.52 | Azar | pss odla.. |
| 02:19.52 | eldowan | !nvidia one liner |
| 02:19.52 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:20.02 | JordiGH | Quick, someone else do it again! |
| 02:20.04 | jelly-home | !abuse |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 02:20.15 | JordiGH | !lart jelly-home |
| 02:20.34 | |splat| | http://pastebin.ca/254641 |
| 02:20.42 | jelly-home | ... YAY, KITTENS! |
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| 02:21.00 | magyar | plugwash: dvs: thanks |
| 02:21.07 | JordiGH | amphi, still there? |
| 02:21.16 | slept | when i try to unload ipw3945 module - it tells me that it is in use - how can i find out what uses it ? |
| 02:21.17 | amphi | JordiGH: indeed |
| 02:21.17 | Azar | dvs the way I seen the snapshots, etch will finally end this nvidia issue.. I hope |
| 02:21.23 | CHodapp | I'm on etch... can someone tell me why aptitude wants to remove xserver-* claiming it is unused? |
| 02:21.49 | eldowan | |splat|: you need the entire filename. Something like: nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.8776-1_i386.deb |
| 02:22.04 | eldowan | |splat|: But you should be using 9625 or later. |
| 02:22.18 | Azar | CHodapp: it's a bug from the last xfree upgrade... just do : aptitude install xserver-xfreexx or xserver-xorg |
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| 02:22.33 | CHodapp | Azar, I did aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 02:22.36 | JordiGH | amphi: I think I found what I want. I have this... "exe" thing that calls itself a DOS boot floppy. I take it that whatever that thing is, I can boot into windows, click on it, and somehow install it to a usb pendrive? I also have another of theses "exes" that claims to be an rpc1 flasher for my dvd drive. And the README file claims that I need Windows in order to perform the full operation. Does that mean I'll need to boot into Windows after I do all o |
| 02:22.36 | JordiGH | f this? |
| 02:22.52 | Azar | CHodapp: did you by chance removed the xdm? |
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| 02:22.53 | JordiGH | Yay, aptitude! |
| 02:23.00 | CHodapp | JordiGH, run 'file' on this file, does it say it's a DOS or Win32 EXE? |
| 02:23.12 | amphi | JordiGH: dunno - I just used a dos prog to flash the fw |
| 02:23.19 | jmd | Is it possible to do domainkeys mail authentication in debian? |
| 02:23.27 | amphi | JordiGH: some flashers do need to be run under windows, I think |
| 02:23.37 | CHodapp | some shouldn't be at all |
| 02:23.40 | Azar | CHodapp: ? |
| 02:24.02 | CHodapp | Azar, sorry, I don't think I ever had xdm installed, but I just installed it |
| 02:24.11 | JordiGH | CHodapp: Oh, good idea. It's just a pkzip self-extracting exe, according to file. |
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| 02:24.21 | CHodapp | JordiGH, 'unzip' should handle that |
| 02:24.28 | amphi | JordiGH: so in the second case, I think you'd need to run the prog under windows |
| 02:24.39 | CHodapp | self-extracting EXEs can be a huge pain, but Pkzip ones are friendly |
| 02:25.00 | JordiGH | ChanServ: "bad zipfile offset". :-( |
| 02:25.00 | amphi | JordiGH: if you had the source of the flasher, I doubt it'd be hard to port to linux |
| 02:25.08 | CHodapp | particularly when it's someone who's put an MP3 inside a RAR file inside a Windows-only self-extracting EXE |
| 02:25.12 | CHodapp | JordiGH, dosbox? |
| 02:25.15 | amphi | CHodapp: hah |
| 02:25.30 | Azar | CHodapp: this is the bug, on Oct10 when the last security upgrade for xserver was done, it installed the xdm as well. Well, as usual I removed it. Aptitude now links xdm with xserver.... All you need to do is install again with aptitude install xserver-xwhatever, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xwhatever, then then run X again |
| 02:25.32 | CHodapp | amphi, dunno about porting, it might use a lot of old DOS-specific stuff |
| 02:26.08 | g333k_work | abrotman, I did renamed using udev rules, but when I want to bring up the interface it fails |
| 02:26.14 | CHodapp | I just got Aiglx and Compiz working... pretty sweet-looking |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | find out why |
| 02:26.27 | JordiGH | CHodapp: Looks like unzip inflated whatever it was despite everything. I have now this ".ima" file. I guess it's a floppy image. Dd it to my usb pendrive? |
| 02:26.39 | amphi | CHodapp: perhaps |
| 02:26.48 | |splat| | eldowan: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.9625-2_i386.deb && dpkg -i nvidia-glx_1.0.9625-2_i386.deb && apt-get install nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:26.52 | |splat| | thats what i typed in |
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| 02:27.00 | CHodapp | JordiGH, that won't work, but you can boot it with memdisk, I believe, if you can get to a GRUB prompt and have the 'memdisk' binary present |
| 02:27.16 | eldowan | |splat|: and the result? |
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| 02:27.30 | |splat| | that error i posted |
| 02:27.36 | JordiGH | I can get to a boot prompt. Memdisk? |
| 02:27.44 | JordiGH | Er, to a Grub prompt. |
| 02:28.16 | eldowan | |splat|: Try the command one section at a time, split at the && markers. Which single command is causing problems first? |
| 02:28.33 | |splat| | ok |
| 02:28.33 | JordiGH | Wait, maybe amphi is right. That might not be necessary: |
| 02:28.35 | JordiGH | A101RPC1.EXE: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 02:28.48 | JordiGH | 32-bit, GUI... looks like it's a Windows file after all! |
| 02:28.56 | CHodapp | JordiGH, find memdisk (I think it's in syslinux) and put the ima file somewhere it's easy for GRUB to reach. Then, I believe, you need to do something like 'kernel /path/to/memdisk' and 'initrd /path/to/whatever.ima' and then 'boot' |
| 02:29.04 | CHodapp | wait, is this the self-extracting file? |
| 02:29.14 | JordiGH | CHodapp: 'twas. It's a dos boot disk. |
| 02:29.31 | CHodapp | what's a boot disk, the |
| 02:29.32 | CHodapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.40 | |splat| | m-a prepare seems to be the culprit, second command |
| 02:29.41 | JordiGH | CHodapp, I believe so. |
| 02:29.53 | CHodapp | I thought you still needed a way to boot it |
| 02:30.14 | |splat| | either way, i still need to get debhelper from experimental |
| 02:30.32 | JordiGH | CHodapp, I might... I might not... hold on, I think I actually have files that will run under Windows. |
| 02:30.47 | CHodapp | if it's a DOS boot disk, you really need to boot it in DOS |
| 02:32.07 | JordiGH | CHodapp, uh, isn't that what grub's chainloader is for? |
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| 02:32.18 | JordiGH | In order to understand recursion, I must first understand recursion? |
| 02:32.38 | CHodapp | what are you talking about running in Windows, and why does it make my process unnecessary? |
| 02:32.58 | |splat| | gonna have to put this on hold for a few, its dinner time |
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| 02:33.21 | JordiGH | CHodapp, the ultimate goal is to flash rpc1 to my dvd drive. I think I found a flasher that is in fact a Windows binary, not a DOS binary. Gonna try this... btw, is there a safe way to read an ext3 drive from The Other Side? |
| 02:33.34 | CHodapp | you just said it's a DOS boot disk |
| 02:33.41 | Azar | CHodapp: it would be good if you send a bug report to Daniel Burrows, he grooms apt. If you decide to mail him get a snapshot of your dpkg --get-selections as well |
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| 02:33.55 | JordiGH | CHodapp, I also got a DOS boot disk because I thought that the flasher was a DOS binary. Looks like I was wrong. |
| 02:34.02 | CHodapp | this bug isn't already acknowledged? |
| 02:34.15 | Azar | CHodapp: yes, I guess with #100 |
| 02:34.35 | CHodapp | it seems my input would just be redundant then |
| 02:34.46 | Azar | I guess fixes vary as we are not running same X applications |
| 02:34.58 | Azar | CHodapp: I got a fix |
| 02:35.00 | JordiGH | CHodapp, maybe, maybe not. Anyways, I'm gonna boot into Windows. Let's see if this flasher thing works there. |
| 02:35.02 | JordiGH | Brb. |
| 02:36.29 | Azar | CHodapp: Mr Burrows told me that It looks to me like aptitude decided at some point that |
| 02:36.32 | Azar | xserver-xfree86 had been pulled in by dependencies |
| 02:36.49 | Azar | see using apt-get it does not give you same error |
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| 02:39.16 | keith80403 | Debian Sarge - Initial install has the system starting Xfree86, want to set it NOT to start X on boot - other distros do this by changing /etc/inittab. How do I do this in Sarge? |
| 02:39.32 | dvs | !nodm |
| 02:39.33 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:40.18 | |splat| | ooo interesting, ran apt-get -f install, and it setup debhelper 5.0.40 and nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.9625-2 |
| 02:40.38 | Azar | keyboarder: you want to boot in console mode all the time? |
| 02:41.00 | eldowan | |splat|: Alright. Now on to the next step. Good job. :D |
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| 02:41.17 | enema_cow | hi guys |
| 02:41.42 | withaY | i'm trying to create a preseed file and it seems to be getting hung up on account setup which i do have defined in my preseed file. any tips? |
| 02:43.17 | |splat| | Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-2-686 which provides nvidia-kernel-1.0.9625 is not installed. |
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| 02:44.35 | eldowan | |splat|: which command is causing this? |
| 02:45.04 | |splat| | dpkg -i nvidia-glx.... |
| 02:45.50 | Azar | |splat|: you try to install nvidia-glx? |
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| 02:46.16 | |splat| | dpkg -i nvidia-glx_1.0.9625-2_i386.deb |
| 02:46.36 | |splat| | that causes the error |
| 02:46.38 | Azar | |splat|: if you try to install nvidia-glx, why not use aptitude? |
| 02:46.40 | |splat| | dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.9625-2_i386.deb ran fine |
| 02:46.45 | Azar | why dpkg? |
| 02:47.06 | eldowan | Azar: He is trying to get compiz working if I am correct, and needs the experimental drivers. |
| 02:47.11 | |splat| | Azar: because i'm on testing and this is the experimental package |
| 02:47.33 | |splat| | eldowan: nail on the head |
| 02:47.39 | Azar | ah I see... still I installed the nvidia drivers in etch/testing with nvidia one-liner |
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| 02:47.57 | Azar | .. then nvidia-glx after done all |
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| 02:48.10 | eldowan | Azar: But the 9625 drivers are needed for compiz to work. |
| 02:48.14 | |splat| | Azar: i'm trying to modify the one liner to use the experimental drivers |
| 02:48.22 | Azar | ah sorry, compiz! |
| 02:49.58 | enema_cow | anyone have any reccomendations on what packages to look at for disk encryption? |
| 02:50.03 | Azar | back in the woody days I allways had issues with nvidia driver due to kernel/compiler/source compatibility |
| 02:50.09 | |splat| | hmm....seems to be an error further up |
| 02:50.14 | eldowan | |splat|: Look and see if you have this installed. kernel-package |
| 02:50.21 | eldowan | |splat|: Whats that? |
| 02:50.31 | keith80403 | dvs, Thanks, I'll try those instructions. |
| 02:50.37 | |splat| | # m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:50.38 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:50.49 | |splat| | Extracting the package tarball, /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz, please wait... |
| 02:51.18 | |splat| | nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-2-686 depends on nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829); however: |
| 02:51.25 | |splat| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.35 | keith80403 | dvs, Oh, thought you were answering my question about getting Sarge not to start X at bootup. |
| 02:51.47 | dvs | keith80403: on that. You're welcome |
| 02:51.58 | petterw | splat: you're using dpkg? |
| 02:52.07 | |splat| | partly |
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| 02:52.49 | petterw | and you have of course done apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common? |
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| 02:53.55 | deadlyninja | im having a problem where in KDE, my kde control center is empty, anyone know what it might be? |
| 02:53.56 | |splat| | how do i get contrib files? |
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| 02:54.05 | dvs | !contrib |
| 02:54.05 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 02:54.08 | |splat| | http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 02:54.57 | |splat| | so just tack it on to the end of my deb line in sources.list? |
| 02:55.04 | petterw | splat: you could always download the specific version yoou're after andinstall it with dpkg too. |
| 02:55.06 | DerJamster | yeah. after main. |
| 02:55.10 | dvs | |splat|: yes |
| 02:55.23 | Azar | |splat|: yes .... / main contrib non-free |
| 02:55.28 | DerJamster | I usually go for the full 'main contrib non-free', but eh. Some prefer only 'main' |
| 02:56.02 | dvs | like RMS? |
| 02:56.19 | Azar | I set the sources.list like that from the beginning only for the nvidia drivers sake |
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| 03:00.02 | |splat| | bah now apt seems broken |
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| 03:00.09 | KnowledgEngi | hello |
| 03:00.24 | KnowledgEngi | someone use the software Rosegarden ??? |
| 03:00.25 | petterw | splat |
| 03:00.26 | petterw | update |
| 03:00.33 | KnowledgEngi | this software need a low-latency kernel |
| 03:00.37 | |splat| | i ran apt-get update, and i get this: W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 03:00.40 | |splat| | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 03:00.48 | petterw | hehe... i just had that |
| 03:00.50 | KnowledgEngi | and i need a document that show me how to build it |
| 03:00.58 | |splat| | but when i run apt-get update, tells me to run it again |
| 03:00.59 | dvs | !tell |splat| about etch key |
| 03:01.27 | deadlyninja | im having a problem where in KDE, my kde control center is empty, anyone know what it might be? |
| 03:02.02 | |splat| | alright |
| 03:02.14 | DerJamster | deadlyninja: yeah, problem with the current KDE release |
| 03:02.23 | DerJamster | deadlyninja: you'll find all the stuff in the 'lost&found' section of the menu |
| 03:02.36 | DerJamster | which..kind of is handy, too, as I've found :P |
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| 03:04.03 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
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| 03:04.34 | lastnode | guys, what is the gnome meta package that pulls in just the basics (no gimp etc) |
| 03:04.38 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 03:04.39 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 03:04.48 | lastnode | (it used to be gnome-base, i remember) |
| 03:04.54 | lastnode | thanks |
| 03:05.35 | deadlyninja | DerJamster, ah thanks a ton, i thought i did something wrong |
| 03:05.48 | eldowan | |splat|: any luck? |
| 03:05.58 | |splat| | configing X now |
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| 03:09.44 | KnowledgEngi | System timer resolution is too low Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution timing source for MIDI performance. This may mean you are using a Linux system with the kernel timer resolution set too low. Please contact your Linux distributor for more information. |
| 03:09.53 | KnowledgEngi | this is the error that rosegarden return |
| 03:10.27 | abrotman | anything in the docs in /usr/share/doc/rosegarden/ ? |
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| 03:11.08 | asg | abrotman: a..h.. |
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| 03:12.10 | abrotman | asshat! |
| 03:12.36 | DerJamster | <3 |
| 03:12.39 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:12.43 | |splat| | brb, time to reload X |
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| 03:13.39 | asg | abrotman: bingo |
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| 03:14.59 | |splat| | oooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 03:17.00 | |splat| | now i just gotta figure out all the goodies in compiz |
| 03:17.55 | eldowan | |splat|: is it working? |
| 03:18.00 | |splat| | yeah buddy |
| 03:18.05 | |splat| | thanks a bunch for the help |
| 03:18.14 | eldowan | |splat|: Wait, one more thin. |
| 03:18.27 | |splat| | mkay |
| 03:19.18 | eldowan | |splat|: This will give you a list of the default compiz shortcuts: grep -A 2 '<' /usr/share/gconf/schemas/compiz.schemas |
| 03:19.29 | eldowan | |splat|: <shift> + F9 is nice :D |
| 03:19.51 | |splat| | hmm, my shift keys appear to not work |
| 03:20.14 | |splat| | i eman f keys |
| 03:20.26 | eldowan | |splat|: Hmmm. thats no good. |
| 03:21.09 | |splat|g4 | ack |
| 03:21.22 | |splat|g4 | i hit ctrl+alt+f9 and it took me to a cli |
| 03:21.34 | |splat|g4 | how do i get back? |
| 03:21.36 | eldowan | |splat|g4: <alt> + F7 |
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| 03:21.52 | sigp239 | hey what's the nvidia 3d driver information for debian etch |
| 03:21.53 | nocti | |splat|g4: both of em? |
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| 03:22.06 | |splat|g4 | bah screen is black |
| 03:22.11 | |splat|g4 | i can see my mouse and thats it |
| 03:22.19 | eldowan | |splat|g4: what video card? |
| 03:22.27 | |splat|g4 | 6200tc |
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| 03:23.06 | eldowan | |splat|g4: I know your problem. Look here. http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html Which window manager are you using? |
| 03:23.12 | |splat|g4 | gnome |
| 03:23.13 | eldowan | KDE Gnome, etc..? |
| 03:23.17 | |splat|g4 | +copmpz |
| 03:23.19 | |splat|g4 | compiz |
| 03:23.56 | eldowan | |splat|g4: Look for the gnome section, and add --indirect-rendering before --replace |
| 03:24.20 | |splat|g4 | ok |
| 03:24.24 | gravity | That should be taken care of by the compiz wrapper script in the debian package |
| 03:24.29 | |splat|g4 | so how do i get my screen back? |
| 03:24.33 | |splat|g4 | heh |
| 03:24.38 | eldowan | |splat|g4: Once you get the x.org configuration updated, and add that line, restart X, and make sure to kill all compiz sessions open. |
| 03:25.03 | |splat|g4 | ctrl+alt+backspace isn't killing X |
| 03:25.23 | eldowan | |splat|g4: Hmmm. can you ssh into the box? |
| 03:25.26 | sigp239 | hey what's the nvidia 3d driver information for debian etch |
| 03:25.34 | eldowan | !nvidia etch |
| 03:25.39 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 03:25.39 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 03:25.41 | |splat|g4 | i can get back to a cli |
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| 03:26.00 | eldowan | |splat|g4: /etc/init.d/gdm stop; If gdm was started at boot |
| 03:26.03 | |splat|g4 | ok nm no i can't |
| 03:26.35 | sigp239 | hey what's the nvidia 3d driver information for debian etch |
| 03:26.36 | |splat|g4 | i don't think i started ssh unless its on by default |
| 03:26.41 | jelly-home | Hi, I'm trying to get last 50 blocks of a partition, but somehow "dd if=/dev/sdd1 of=last-50-blocks-news1 skip=251658175 bs=512 count=50" reads everything instead of just seeking to the correct place and reading those few blocks |
| 03:27.37 | sigp239 | i heard there's a new debian driver for nvidia but it's "non-free", but then there's also the actual nvidia proprietary 3d driver.....i'm confused can someone clarify the difference between the available nvidia 3d options? thanks. |
| 03:28.22 | jelly-home | cfdisk reports that the partition has 251658225 blocks. I've copied it to the new disk with dd, but dd has read 50 blocks less than that, so I'm not trying to copy the remaining few. |
| 03:28.35 | jelly-home | s/not/now/ |
| 03:28.38 | zenwryly | I don't know a whole lot about DNS. I have a small home server on which I host a number of domains. My registrar doesn't do SPF and limits the number of subdomains. So I'd like to setup a DNS server on my home server that acts as the authoritative server for my domains and does AXFR to my registrars servers. I need to do SPF and to be able to configure subdomains and wildcard domains. and insce I don't know much abut DNS, I'd lik |
| 03:28.38 | zenwryly | to pick a package with good debian packaging, integration with debconf, and good defaults. But I hear all this noise about BIND being bad. Any reccomendations? |
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| 03:29.08 | sigp239 | hello |
| 03:29.40 | kepht | is there a (reliable) method of handling the request for public key, instead of manually running gpg ?? |
| 03:30.27 | sigp239 | i heard there's a new debian driver for nvidia but it's "non-free", but then there's also the actual nvidia proprietary 3d driver.....i'm confused can someone clarify the difference between the available nvidia 3d options? thanks. |
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| 03:30.43 | abrotman | it's called .. uhm .. harmony? |
| 03:30.46 | abrotman | no .. that was the Qt thing |
| 03:30.50 | jmd | kepht: What do you mean "request for public key"? |
| 03:31.39 | |splat|g4 | ok i think i have to do a hard reboot |
| 03:31.45 | kepht | jmd: seems i have to manually fetch/add the public key every few months, as requested during an apt update |
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| 03:32.18 | abrotman | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 03:32.35 | jmd | Which public key are you talking about? Yours? G W Bush's the queen's ? |
| 03:32.39 | sigp239 | do I have voice? commo check please... |
| 03:33.23 | kepht | jmd: nice.. like when ya run apt-get update, and then it complains that some ID's are not available, perhasp run apt-get update |
| 03:33.35 | abrotman | kepht: it's the etch release key |
| 03:33.51 | kepht | right.. |
| 03:33.59 | eldowan | has anyone had any luck with youtube-dl? |
| 03:34.12 | jmd | I've never seen that. It's supposed to be done automatically. |
| 03:34.22 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 03:34.23 | kepht | abrotman: its a new release key every 6 months or something |
| 03:34.29 | abrotman | no |
| 03:34.41 | abrotman | pub 1024D/6070D3A1 2006-11-20 [expires: 2009-07-01] |
| 03:34.41 | abrotman | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 03:34.41 | eldowan | The latest key should be good for like 18 months or somesuch |
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| 03:36.06 | sigp239 | i heard there's a new debian driver for nvidia but it's "non-free", but then there's also the actual nvidia proprietary 3d driver.....i'm confused can someone clarify the difference between the available nvidia 3d options? thanks. |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 03:37.05 | sigp239 | HEY what is the best way to install nvidia 3d drivers??? |
| 03:37.15 | joephantom | aptitude :P |
| 03:37.50 | abrotman | !tell sigp239 about nvidia |
| 03:37.52 | abrotman | !tell sigp239 about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:38.35 | zenwryly | !tell zenwryly about nvidia one-liner |
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| 03:39.50 | zenwryly | !tell zenwryly about nvidia |
| 03:40.41 | abrotman | !tell zenwryly about msg the bot |
| 03:40.55 | jelly-home | hahaha |
| 03:41.48 | jelly-home | "!tell abrotman about msg the bot" ;-) |
| 03:42.35 | zenwryly | jelly-home: oh come on, now I so want to try that |
| 03:42.36 | zenwryly | :) |
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| 03:42.55 | jelly-home | zenwryly: no you don't, you already know what it does |
| 03:43.24 | jelly-home | but it's slightly amusing to use !tell to tell people not to use !tell |
| 03:43.53 | zenwryly | jelly-home: yes, and even more amusing to use !tell to tell yourself no to use !tell |
| 03:43.54 | jelly-home | ... yeah I know all about the educational value, the quiet lurkers etc. |
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| 03:46.56 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:46.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:47.57 | Phlosten | anyone know what the most lightweight window manager in debian is? |
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| 03:48.10 | abrotman | xwinman.org |
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| 03:48.29 | exalted | Hi. I've just msg'ed as "/msg dpkg 2006 key" and run " gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -" as root, but "apt-get update" still gives "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:\nA70DAF536070D3A1\nW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" Any ideas? Thank you. |
| 03:49.21 | Phlosten | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | exalted: it's a different key .. read /topic |
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| 03:50.47 | Demosthe1es | how often do most people distupgrade systems with testing installed? |
| 03:50.58 | abrotman | depends on the person |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | some weekly .. some daily .. some never (for some weird reason) |
| 03:51.09 | exalted | abrotman, OK, done "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -;" and it seems to work. Thank you. |
| 03:51.17 | Demosthe1es | so there's no recommended interval to assist with testing efforts? |
| 03:51.18 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 03:51.25 | dondelelcaro | Demosthe1es: no, there is not. |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | Demosthe1es: if you want to help find bugs .. probably every day |
| 03:51.43 | jmd | He said "most people". IE what is the mode average? |
| 03:52.05 | Demosthe1es | well, daily is out of the question for me, i guess i'll just adhoc it |
| 03:52.08 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no public key is <reply> Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. |
| 03:52.09 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 03:52.32 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, no public key is <reply> Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 03:52.33 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 03:52.42 | |splat| | synaptic doesn;'t like compiz...it came up as just a black window |
| 03:52.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:52.54 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:53.14 | jelly-home | If I dd a partition out to an image file, do I have to worry about (input) block size? |
| 03:53.21 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: no. |
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| 03:53.35 | g333k | hi, is there a front end for scp? |
| 03:53.49 | dondelelcaro | g333k: there are bunches, but you're better of learning how to use the command line. |
| 03:53.53 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: dd'll dump the last partial block? Great. |
| 03:54.05 | jmd | g333k: Yes. It's called bash |
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| 03:54.14 | g333k | dondelelcaro, I've already know how to use the console |
| 03:54.16 | SmallR2003 | dondelelcaro, don't you mean /msg dpkg public key |
| 03:54.23 | dondelelcaro | SmallR2003: no. |
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| 03:55.44 | SmallR2003 | dondelelcaro, /msg dpkg no public key failed for me :x |
| 03:55.50 | dondelelcaro | SmallR2003: try it again... |
| 03:55.51 | jelly-home | g333k, what purpose would your scp frontend do? Graphical gui? |
| 03:56.02 | SmallR2003 | ok... worked a second time |
| 03:56.15 | |splat| | hmmm terminal came up all black too |
| 03:56.23 | dondelelcaro | I had forgotten to escape the no... |
| 03:56.34 | SmallR2003 | that was a trick! a conspiracy! ;) |
| 03:56.58 | jelly-home | g333k: If you're using gnome or KDE, they both have ssh abilities in their vfs layers. I think KDE/Konqueror handles fish:// URLs |
| 03:57.11 | g333k | jelly-home, yep... sometimes I want to copy many files.. and it's a little hard to remember the correct path and names |
| 03:57.40 | g333k | jelly-home, I didint know that... I use gnome |
| 03:58.02 | SmallR2003 | g333k, have you tried sshfs? |
| 03:58.40 | SmallR2003 | i have in the past had ideas for scp front ends though |
| 03:58.40 | g333k | SmallR2003, yep... sometimes it is very slow |
| 03:58.54 | SmallR2003 | queueing etc |
| 03:59.07 | SmallR2003 | g333k, it just uses scp does it not? |
| 03:59.29 | g333k | SmallR2003, yep |
| 03:59.30 | jelly-home | scp _is_ |
| 03:59.47 | g333k | SmallR2003, but I use krusder to navigate the directory... so it becomes slow |
| 03:59.49 | SmallR2003 | g333k, shouldn't be any slower than scp/front end for scp |
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| 03:59.52 | zenwryly | Are most people who neet DNS authority servers running BIND? |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | you mean the . servers ? |
| 04:00.30 | joephantom | nop |
| 04:00.35 | jelly-home | zenwryly: I work at an ISP where djbdns is used for primary servers |
| 04:00.45 | joephantom | well most people do, i prefer djbdns |
| 04:00.51 | g333k | jelly-home, HOw to use scp + nautilus? |
| 04:00.53 | abrotman | weirdo |
| 04:00.57 | abrotman | zenwryly: ask #dns |
| 04:01.01 | SmallR2003 | djbdns... ok... |
| 04:01.06 | zenwryly | jelly-home, joephantom: any problems with djbdns' non-debianness? |
| 04:01.20 | abrotman | zenwryly: it's not just non-debianness .. djb is a whackjob |
| 04:01.20 | zenwryly | abrotman: I'm looking for Debian support and integration specifically |
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| 04:01.34 | abrotman | zenwryly: so run bind |
| 04:01.40 | abrotman | bind9 |
| 04:01.42 | zenwryly | abrotman: ok, thanks for the vote |
| 04:01.45 | joephantom | insecure :P |
| 04:01.51 | abrotman | djb is a crackhead |
| 04:01.58 | jelly-home | zenwryly: we're running on Solaris and not caring about debianness ;-) |
| 04:01.59 | joephantom | why? |
| 04:01.59 | abrotman | i wouldn't touch anything he wrote |
| 04:02.03 | SmallR2003 | zenwryly, i vote bind for sanity |
| 04:02.06 | zenwryly | yeah, I keep hearing that about djb |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | if you have to ask why .. then i won't touch anything you use either :) |
| 04:02.23 | joephantom | :s |
| 04:02.28 | jelly-home | djb might be a nutcase but his software is quite all right |
| 04:02.38 | joephantom | yes |
| 04:02.42 | zenwryly | SmallR2003: great, thanks for weighing in |
| 04:02.42 | SmallR2003 | i don't trust nutcases |
| 04:02.44 | abrotman | he won't ever admit he's wrong .. even when proven so |
| 04:02.45 | SmallR2003 | being one myself |
| 04:02.53 | jelly-home | see: Deraadt, Reiser ;-) |
| 04:02.55 | joephantom | i agree |
| 04:02.55 | SmallR2003 | i'm never wrong! |
| 04:03.21 | SmallR2003 | the rest of the world just fails at it's perspective of right and wrong |
| 04:03.22 | stew | the qmail license is crazy |
| 04:03.25 | abrotman | zenwryly: there are other dns servers |
| 04:03.27 | stew | i had never read it until recently |
| 04:03.28 | joephantom | hackin9 has an excellent article about djbdns |
| 04:03.33 | abrotman | !djb |
| 04:03.34 | dpkg | i heard djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
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| 04:03.45 | SmallR2003 | stew, you read licenses? |
| 04:03.51 | ozatomic | anyone ever used symlinks in pureftpd? |
| 04:03.53 | abrotman | the qmail license is interesting |
| 04:03.54 | jelly-home | lol @ SmallR2003 |
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| 04:04.03 | SmallR2003 | which bit of me? |
| 04:04.07 | joephantom | i don't care who wrote it, i do care about quality of the dns server |
| 04:04.08 | stew | SmallR2003: uh, yeah, of course |
| 04:04.10 | SmallR2003 | most people laugh at one or the other |
| 04:04.24 | jelly-home | SmallR2003: the part the wrote the license question above |
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| 04:04.42 | abrotman | joephantom: you're missing the point .. |
| 04:04.57 | zenwryly | abrotman: yeah, i know there are others, just nervous about maintenance headaches |
| 04:05.14 | zenwryly | abrotman: want the tightest debian integration and support |
| 04:05.20 | abrotman | then use bind ... |
| 04:05.25 | abrotman | bind9 |
| 04:05.29 | joephantom | zenwryly: bind9 is a good piece of software, but bind has had many security issues |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | i don't think there's even a package for djbdns |
| 04:05.36 | SmallR2003 | don't we all leave license reading to some other bloke out there |
| 04:05.37 | abrotman | joephantom: bind8 did |
| 04:05.47 | SmallR2003 | i thought that was a GNU convention ;x |
| 04:06.03 | jelly-home | zenwryly: djbdns is pretty much fire and forget... but if your priority is the software being nicely integrated, use something other than djb's stuff. |
| 04:06.13 | joephantom | abrotman: 9 too, it has many security problems |
| 04:06.27 | abrotman | i'm not saying bind9 is foolproof .. but it's way better than 8 |
| 04:06.34 | jelly-home | some people want stuff that works ;-) |
| 04:06.37 | joephantom | abrotman: yes, but not enough |
| 04:06.53 | zenwryly | jelly-home, abrotman, joephantom, SmallR2003: thanks a lot for helping me get the lay of the land |
| 04:06.58 | joephantom | abrotman: it insecure by design |
| 04:07.17 | abrotman | and djbdns has none .. right ... |
| 04:07.22 | joephantom | zenwryly: you are welcome, try bind9 and djbdns, they are too excellent dns servers |
| 04:07.36 | Demosthe1es | hey, dnsmasq rocks for home networks ;] |
| 04:07.36 | SmallR2003 | zenwryly, my advice is try them all |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | anyways .. you kids have fun |
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| 04:07.49 | joephantom | i am with SmallR2003 |
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| 04:08.48 | SmallR2003 | zenwryly, unless you end up using gentoo you've done ok ;) |
| 04:08.57 | joephantom | LOL :P |
| 04:09.17 | zenwryly | SmallR2003: hehe, what does it mean if I started with LFS before coming to Debian? |
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| 04:09.43 | joephantom | LFS rules :P, excellent for learning |
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| 04:09.55 | SmallR2003 | that you're more sane than those who believe they can configure everything themselves and still have a job |
| 04:09.56 | jelly-home | zenwryly: fwiw, Debian has djbdns-installer package (no binary due to freaky license), and also bind9 in the archive. I haven't tried djbdns-installer from Debian, but have tried the similar qmail-src and it works. bind9 is nice, already in distro and works too. |
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| 04:10.54 | jelly-home | And I haven't seen a bind exploit in a while. ;-) |
| 04:11.03 | joephantom | the problem with bind9 it's that it's insecure by design... birthday attack vulnerable |
| 04:11.09 | SmallR2003 | let's try addressing that sentence :P |
| 04:11.25 | SmallR2003 | zenwryly, that you're more sane than those who believe they can configure everything themselves and still have a job |
| 04:11.27 | zenwryly | SmallR2003: yeah, I like to think it's my starting point with LFS that makes me an expert when I say Debain is the best :) |
| 04:11.28 | joephantom | SmallR2003: sorry, I am from Argentina :P |
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| 04:11.39 | SmallR2003 | ok, you got it anyway zenwryly |
| 04:12.04 | SmallR2003 | joephantom, i'd never have known :) you have excellent English, a credit to your tutor |
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| 04:12.39 | jelly-home | maher: that's a nice "feature"! |
| 04:12.40 | joephantom | SmallR2003: thanks, when you said SmallR2003: let's try addressing that sentence, i thought you were talking to me |
| 04:13.01 | g333k | where is the list of repositories of debian? |
| 04:13.01 | |splat| | are there any compiz specific window themes out there? |
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| 04:13.28 | SmallR2003 | joephantom, i thought that zenwryly hadn't picked up that i was talking to him, as happens in large channels sometimes |
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| 04:13.53 | joephantom | SmallR2003: oks! |
| 04:14.09 | maher | jelly-home: i'm staring at the info dhcp page and I still can't beleive its done that - its actually destroyed its own static dhcp client list in order to do it |
| 04:14.24 | joephantom | I have to study, see you SmallR2003 |
| 04:14.26 | corran | what is the current ftpmaster public key id? |
| 04:14.37 | SmallR2003 | joephantom, what are you studying? |
| 04:15.00 | widrone | maher: Make it pay, flash it with some other firmware. That will teach it! |
| 04:15.14 | maher | corran: they just added a new one - read joey hess' blog on planet debian |
| 04:15.23 | corran | maher: what is the id |
| 04:15.34 | corran | I am trying to verify the key I just got |
| 04:15.48 | maher | corran: i dunno |
| 04:15.52 | g333k | where is the list of repositories of debian? |
| 04:15.58 | corran | debian.org |
| 04:16.11 | widrone | g333k: Looking for a mirrors list or what? |
| 04:16.26 | corran | but ftp.<country code>.debian.org is a round robin of repos. in that country |
| 04:16.33 | g333k | widrone, yeah... the repo's list |
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| 04:21.09 | scratchme | Hi all. |
| 04:21.26 | scratchme | Has anyone setup an iSCSI Target that's willing to give me some tips of where to go read? |
| 04:21.46 | widrone | g333k: apt-spy finds the best one for you (dont use it myself thu). But you need a full mirror list? |
| 04:22.14 | g333k | widrone, I've already found it: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:22.27 | scratchme | I was gonna get 2 used servers, put a good raid card inside, and put some drives on it to test a cluster. |
| 04:22.44 | scratchme | I was wondering if it's load balancing, or just fail-over. |
| 04:22.53 | smacnay | Hi, I have converted my mbox to Maildir. Do I now create folders under ~/Maildir to hold sorted mail? |
| 04:23.46 | corran | smacnay: you can |
| 04:23.58 | corran | smacnay: you use mutt? |
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| 04:24.15 | smacnay | corran: I hope to be able to share these folders with mutt and kmail. I use mutt a lot. |
| 04:24.35 | corran | smacnay: I was mostly wondering if you want my mutt config |
| 04:24.43 | smacnay | corran: sure. |
| 04:25.32 | corran | the main line for maildir niceness is this: |
| 04:25.33 | corran | mailboxes `find $HOME/Maildir/ -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -and -not -regex ".*/[.]spam" -printf '%h/%f '; echo |
| 04:25.37 | corran | ` |
| 04:26.02 | sigp239 | i need help with installing nvidia 3d drivers!1 |
| 04:26.04 | sigp239 | thanks |
| 04:26.29 | corran | sigp239: you module-assisstant? |
| 04:26.39 | sigp239 | yea I heard about that |
| 04:26.43 | jelly-home | corran: blah, no mailbox nesting? Coward! :-) |
| 04:26.57 | sigp239 | but I also heard about another driver or something...it just came out for etch |
| 04:27.01 | corran | jelly-home: nah, I keep em flat |
| 04:27.09 | corran | ? |
| 04:27.14 | corran | sigp239: ? |
| 04:27.31 | smacnay | corran: thanks |
| 04:27.40 | corran | smacnay: also set spoolfile="~/Maildir/Inbox/" |
| 04:27.44 | corran | "set spoolfile="~/Maildir/Inbox/" |
| 04:28.00 | corran | 'set mbox_type=maildir |
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| 04:28.01 | corran | ' |
| 04:28.07 | sigp239 | corran: yea it's in the one-liner dpkg thing... |
| 04:28.11 | jelly-home | corran: that way you don't have to exclude {cur,tmp,new} ... I say that's cheating. :-) |
| 04:28.18 | sigp239 | corran: i don't know how to bring it up on the screen here |
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| 04:29.53 | _flower_ | hi people |
| 04:30.18 | _flower_ | can someone tell me how to register my nickname? |
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| 04:30.47 | widrone | _flower_: Msg nickserv and it will help |
| 04:30.48 | corran | sigp239: 8776-2? |
| 04:31.18 | X-plo | hi hello could someone help me with some repositories to etch? |
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| 04:31.40 | _flower_ | thx widrone ;) |
| 04:32.12 | maher | i justed pasted something into the gimp - but its a movable paste thing now - how do i crop a chunk out of it? |
| 04:32.16 | corran | X-plo: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 04:32.17 | |splat| | anyone know how to get enamel or cgwd installed? i don't see them in the packages |
| 04:32.26 | corran | maher: unselect |
| 04:32.43 | corran | then use the crop tool |
| 04:33.18 | maher | corran: how do i unselect |
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| 04:33.52 | X-plo | thank corran |
| 04:34.06 | corran | maher: click outside the selection |
| 04:34.36 | maher | corran: thanks |
| 04:34.48 | corran | then select the region to crop |
| 04:35.06 | X-plo | corran, but can i use that repository to etch |
| 04:35.30 | corran | X-plo: yes |
| 04:35.46 | corran | the ftp.us.debian.org/debian will have etch |
| 04:35.50 | corran | and unstable |
| 04:35.53 | corran | and sarge |
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| 04:38.04 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 04:38.16 | lkthomas | how could I constantly run a program on console ? |
| 04:39.24 | widrone | lkthomas: Constantly? You mean like all the time? Try running it in screen |
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| 04:39.49 | lkthomas | widrone, nono |
| 04:40.05 | sigp239 | please I have been asking for over an hour |
| 04:40.08 | lkthomas | widrone, I want to run "mailq" and monitor the mail queue activity |
| 04:40.13 | widrone | lkthomas: Ok, then Im not sure I understood what you wanted. |
| 04:40.21 | sigp239 | how do I install nvidia 3d drivers on debian operating system?!?!?!?! |
| 04:40.56 | maher | gimp makes me cry! |
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| 04:41.09 | lkthomas | widrone, for example, I want to "ls" to montor disk usage |
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| 04:42.50 | sigp239 | hello? |
| 04:43.00 | maher | sigp239: isn't it in non-free |
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| 04:43.15 | sigp239 | maher: what are my available choices and how do i proceed/ |
| 04:43.41 | |splat| | !tell sigp239 nvidia |
| 04:43.52 | |splat| | darn |
| 04:44.44 | widrone | lkthomas: Dunno how mailq works mate, sorry. |
| 04:44.54 | |splat| | sigp239: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 04:50.27 | sigp239 | how do I "read nvidia-graphics-driver' |
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| 04:51.25 | maher | sigp239: /msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 04:52.25 | sigp239 | maher: when I type /msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-driver I don't get anything on my screen |
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| 04:53.25 | sigp239 | oops I forgot the 's' nevermind |
| 04:54.24 | sigp239 | Warning for Etch users |
| 04:54.24 | sigp239 | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. An update of this guide should be done. Meanwhile, try getting the packages from sid. |
| 04:54.27 | sigp239 | what does that mean? |
| 04:57.54 | sigp239 | Got a question. what does this mean on the /msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-driver? As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. An update of this guide should be done. Meanwhile, try getting the packages from sid. |
| 05:01.05 | sigp239 | nevermind. I asked #linux and they explained it all to me... |
| 05:01.24 | sigp239 | I'm thinking of switching to fedora or novell linux anyway |
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| 05:04.27 | odla | ok |
| 05:06.09 | widrone | So who is really producing videocards these das and not being assholes about their drivers? |
| 05:06.51 | Phlosten | widrone: intel seem to be in the good books |
| 05:07.14 | quitte_ | intel. unfortunately they only sell integrated graphics |
| 05:07.23 | widrone | Phlosten: Intel are a bit mopy with their network drivers thu, no rescue is there? :/ |
| 05:07.23 | Phlosten | oh right |
| 05:07.28 | Phlosten | that sucks then |
| 05:07.51 | Phlosten | looks like we are back to carving messages into a wall with stone |
| 05:07.52 | widrone | were all left hith headless operation and braile readers I knew it! |
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| 05:08.10 | quitte_ | i still have a wyse text terminal |
| 05:08.28 | Phlosten | just be happy with vesa :D |
| 05:09.24 | widrone | Phlosten: Im happy, just wondering where my money should go next time Im shopping for a card. |
| 05:09.29 | quitte_ | i hope some vendor gets the idea that there is no need for 2d gfx anymore and builds a only 3d gfx card. together with free egl support |
| 05:09.48 | quitte_ | widrone: radeon r200 isn't bad |
| 05:09.52 | Phlosten | widrone: yeah, seems to be a different answer every day *sigh* |
| 05:10.36 | widrone | quitte_: Somewhat like the voodoo1 card, was that not a loopthru 3d only thing? |
| 05:10.58 | quitte_ | widrone: yes. just without the loop through |
| 05:11.10 | quitte_ | widrone: there even was a xserver that ran on it |
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| 05:14.09 | jamonation | anyone know why ssh prompts for a password even when it asks for a passphrase for my key? |
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| 05:14.43 | dooglus | lkthomas: you can: while :; do ls; sleep 1; done |
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| 05:15.02 | dooglus | lkthomas: that will run 'ls', sleep for a second, and repeat, forever |
| 05:16.38 | ruser | hey guys, i need some help with keys... i get a message saying W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 and suggested to run apt-get update, but that is what i was doing in the first place... http://rafb.net/paste/results/1fQqnu27.html |
| 05:16.55 | jamonation | ruser: i get the same |
| 05:17.08 | Winkie | you can import the key if you want |
| 05:17.16 | Winkie | although i don't know if that's best practise |
| 05:17.19 | jamonation | already done, still get that error |
| 05:17.38 | Winkie | did you remember to pipe it to apt-key add? |
| 05:17.42 | ruser | Winkie yeah, but where do i get it from. and i wonder if that is happening on that mirror only of somewhere else? |
| 05:17.51 | ruser | jamonation what mirror are you using? |
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| 05:18.25 | jamonation | ruser: grab the key from http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 05:18.51 | jamonation | using oregonstate and linux.csua.berkely.edu |
| 05:18.58 | jamonation | ruser: its near the bottom I think |
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| 05:20.01 | sigp239 | hello |
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| 05:20.17 | ruser | jamonation this the file? http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc |
| 05:20.23 | jamonation | that's the one |
| 05:20.27 | sigp239 | how do i make it so that my gnome 'volume control' applet shows all of my sound channels instead of just showing 'microphone' ?? |
| 05:20.53 | ruser | jamonation how do i export it properly/ |
| 05:20.59 | kaz | hi all |
| 05:21.08 | kaz | i'm having a problem with apt/aptitude and dselect |
| 05:21.13 | jamonation | ruser: I think you can so apt-key add or use gpg --import |
| 05:21.19 | jamonation | /s/so/use |
| 05:21.28 | kaz | the package is libdiscover1-data i'm running sarge |
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| 05:21.44 | kaz | I have a package with a missing version number so apt shuts down ive tried apt-get -f install but still it wont install and exits |
| 05:21.56 | ruser | jamonation this is how i got 2006 key gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:22.00 | kaz | seems i have a few dependancy problems but i cant fix them please help me |
| 05:22.12 | sigp239 | is it alsactl store or alsactl restore? |
| 05:22.19 | sigp239 | are there any linux gurus online right now? |
| 05:22.25 | jamonation | ruser: that worked? |
| 05:22.25 | sigp239 | can I get a what what? |
| 05:22.33 | sigp239 | j/k |
| 05:22.39 | ruser | jamonation nope, that's just a 2006 key. |
| 05:22.41 | dooglus | jamonation: that A70D... error is because of a missinf etch key, not a missing 2006 key |
| 05:22.54 | jamonation | dooglus: thank you! |
| 05:22.56 | ruser | jamonation i'm not sure how to export that other key properly |
| 05:23.06 | dooglus | !etch key |
| 05:23.06 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:23.07 | jamonation | ruser: see dooglus' response ;) |
| 05:23.08 | ruser | dooglus missing? |
| 05:23.28 | kaz | i'm having a problem with apt/aptitude and dselect |
| 05:23.43 | ruser | kaz once is anough and i recommend you type it all in one msg |
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| 05:23.52 | dooglus | ruser: I was getting the same error in sid until about 5 hours ago when an update to the 'debian-archive-keyring' package fixed it automatically |
| 05:24.26 | kaz | ruser: dont wish to make msg a novel :) |
| 05:24.31 | sigp239 | how do i make it so that my gnome 'volume control' applet shows all of my sound channels instead of just showing 'microphone' ?? |
| 05:24.37 | dooglus | the changelog says: "debian-archive-keyring (2006.11.22) unstable; urgency=low - * Add Etch release key" |
| 05:24.57 | dooglus | jamonation: as for your ssh question, and you really getting 2 prompts, one for the passphrase and one for the password? |
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| 05:25.04 | jamonation | sigp239: have you checked in alsamixer? |
| 05:25.06 | jamonation | dooglus: yes |
| 05:25.14 | dooglus | jamonation: that's a strange one. |
| 05:25.29 | ruser | jamonation did you created a signature file with passphrase? |
| 05:25.29 | jamonation | i know, it should do one or the other |
| 05:25.41 | dooglus | jamonation: you copied the '.pub' file from your client's ~/.ssh/ directory into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server? |
| 05:25.56 | jamonation | ruser: yeah, installed private locally with ssh-add, scp'd pub to .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 05:26.07 | sigp239 | jamonation: no i haven't checked there yet i am totally clueless. i honestly don't understand why my sound just doesn't work out-of-the-box so to speak (fresh install of debian 'etch') |
| 05:26.20 | dooglus | jamonation: you've made sure that both ~/.ssh/ and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server are writable only by you? |
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| 05:26.28 | ruser | sigp239 you need to unmute the sound in alsamixer |
| 05:26.31 | sigp239 | jamonation: okay i ran alsamixer NOW WHAT? |
| 05:26.35 | jamonation | dooglus: yep, permissions are ok |
| 05:26.52 | dooglus | jamonation: tbh I don't think it would bother asking for the passphrase if they weren't OK |
| 05:26.53 | jamonation | sigp239: now compare those mixers to gnome-volume mixer |
| 05:27.06 | sigp239 | ruser: i see a bunch of yellow and red and green and white colors in a console box i don't understand |
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| 05:27.20 | jamonation | sigp239: also check that you are using alsa-mixer and not oss-mixer in gnome-volume |
| 05:27.26 | ruser | jamonation just a side note, don't forget to change your umask/perms on the file so noone improper can steal the sig |
| 05:27.37 | sigp239 | how do i check that? |
| 05:27.38 | jamonation | dooglus: yeah, I know, it'sreally odd, done this a few times so I know it works |
| 05:27.48 | ruser | dooglus thanks a lot man, that's a handy package to have :) |
| 05:27.49 | jamonation | only thing I can think of is it is a xen box |
| 05:27.56 | dooglus | ruser: you're using sid? |
| 05:28.00 | ruser | dooglus yep |
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| 05:28.05 | jamonation | sigp239: right click the volume icon, preferences |
| 05:28.12 | Phlosten | can anyone tell me how to fix a keyboard keypress repeat timing problem? |
| 05:28.14 | gimmulf_ | Im going to try configuring named.. Took a look in my /etc/resolv.conf and it default looks like this: domain croup.de nameserver 204.8.182.x nameserver 4.2.2.2 nameserver 4.2.2.1 dont udnerstand theese 4.2.2.2/4.2.1.1.1 |
| 05:28.17 | dooglus | ruser: ok, 'cos I just installed etch, and etch doesn't seem to have the etch key in that package |
| 05:28.31 | gimmulf_ | why is it croup.de ? |
| 05:29.15 | ruser | jamonation let me check, i had a doc on how to get the keys to work properly |
| 05:29.23 | dooglus | jamonation: if you have the key in the ssh-agent, then it shouldn't ask you for the passphrase any more, so I guess the ssh client isn't able to talk to ssh-agent |
| 05:29.24 | jamonation | ruser: that would be awesome |
| 05:29.36 | jamonation | dooglus: haven't got as far as agent |
| 05:29.49 | dooglus | jamonation: you said you used ssh-add? |
| 05:30.09 | jamonation | yeah, oh wait, does that add it to the agent then? |
| 05:30.18 | ruser | dooglus yeah, it has 5 keys. http://rafb.net/paste/results/1xtS4E18.html |
| 05:30.24 | jamonation | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.24 | jamonation | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.26 | dooglus | jamonation: yes: ssh-add - adds RSA or DSA identities to the authentication agent |
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| 05:30.58 | dooglus | ruser: that's the sid package though, right? |
| 05:30.59 | ruser | jamonation sorry man, don't have my backpack the notes where there... :/ can google tho |
| 05:31.02 | ruser | dooglus yep |
| 05:31.03 | jamonation | right ok, so then I have added it |
| 05:31.32 | jamonation | ruser: walking through daniel robbins' excellent howto on IBM.com |
| 05:31.42 | dooglus | jamonation: "ssh-add -l" will list the identities in the agent |
| 05:32.01 | jamonation | it's there |
| 05:32.10 | ruser | jamonation IBM docs are VERY good |
| 05:32.16 | jamonation | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-keyc.html |
| 05:32.23 | dooglus | jamonation: check "env | grep SSH" - you should have a couple of variables set pointing to the agent |
| 05:32.23 | jamonation | that's robbins of gentoo fame too :) |
| 05:32.32 | dooglus | SSH_AGENT_PID=3215 |
| 05:32.32 | dooglus | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-PMOtyB3164/agent.3164 |
| 05:32.34 | dooglus | or some such |
| 05:32.35 | sigp239 | ok |
| 05:32.35 | sigp239 | it says alsa mixer |
| 05:32.36 | sigp239 | and so i ran alsamixer at the console but i don't understand how to 'unmute' it or whatever |
| 05:32.40 | sigp239 | the problem is that each time i reboot, my volume control applet only shows microphone as a channel. but after i run alsaconf, the volume control applet shows ALL of the sound channels.....get it? |
| 05:32.41 | jamonation | dooglus: yup |
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| 05:33.01 | ruser | sigp239 perhaps problem with udev rather then sound? |
| 05:33.13 | dooglus | jamonation: and it still prompts you for a passphrase and a password? it should prompt for neither! |
| 05:33.32 | ruser | jamonation i run gentoo on our serers at work... with distcc 5 machines 4 cores each. and 8 gig ram :P |
| 05:33.46 | jamonation | dooglus: i know, bizarre, it asks for both no matter what |
| 05:33.46 | ruser | dooglus it should prompt for the passphrase imo |
| 05:34.03 | ruser | jamonation the sshd config is the one out of the box? |
| 05:34.05 | sigp239 | ruser: i don't know i just think that it's not storing my sound config across reboots |
| 05:34.07 | jamonation | ruser: one you give it the passphrase the first time it won't again until you logout |
| 05:34.31 | jamonation | ruser: yeah, only thing I did was move from port 22 to another |
| 05:34.36 | ruser | jamonation really? i used to use an option on ssh for something similar |
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| 05:35.01 | jamonation | it shouldn't |
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| 05:35.20 | jamonation | sigp239: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_nForce2_hw_mixing might help a little? |
| 05:35.21 | dooglus | ruser: if the identity is already stored in the ssh-agent then it doesn't prompt for the passphrase |
| 05:35.49 | jamonation | sigp239: or are you going in circles if you read that page? the alsactl store part near the bottom |
| 05:36.38 | nub | hello |
| 05:38.10 | sigp239 | yea\ |
| 05:38.22 | KnowledgEngi | the realtime patch must be applied before configure kernel or after ?? |
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| 05:40.23 | ruser | KnowledgEngi imo you better do it before, just in case it introduces extra options, but i'm no expert, wait for someone else to answer |
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| 05:41.15 | ruser | jamonation f the public key authentication fails for whatever reason (perhaps the passphrase is entered incorrectly or the authentication information does not already exist on the server), another type of authentication is usually attempted. In our example, the OpenSSH server allows user1 to be authenticated using user2's password because the signature sent did not match a public key stored by user2 |
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| 05:42.14 | jamonation | ruser: where does etch store ssh logs? |
| 05:42.39 | dooglus | jamonation: /var/log/ |
| 05:42.45 | ruser | jamonation check auth.log |
| 05:42.49 | jamonation | auth.log? |
| 05:42.57 | ruser | jamonation all logs are written to /var/log |
| 05:43.14 | dooglus | jamonation: yes, auth.log |
| 05:43.59 | jamonation | nothing about any keys, just "Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for jamonation" |
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| 05:44.40 | dooglus | I've installed and set up vserver. now, is it possible to run X from a virtual server on my local display? |
| 05:45.12 | dooglus | jamonation: if the key is used you'll see "Nov 22 06:41:08 vserver1 sshd[31354]: Accepted publickey for chris from 192.168.1.201 port 50832 ssh2" or simialr |
| 05:45.30 | KnowledgEngi | patch-2.6.18-rt1, patch-2.6.18-rt2, patch-2.6.18-rt3, patch-2.6.18-rt4, patch-2.6.18-rt5, patch-2.6.18-rt6, patch-2.6.18-rt7 |
| 05:45.31 | ruser | jamonation try taking a look at this too: http://www.bscb.cornell.edu/computing/sshkey.php |
| 05:45.34 | jamonation | yeah, grepping that log, no match |
| 05:45.42 | KnowledgEngi | i do not know if i must applie all 7 patchs |
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| 05:46.15 | KnowledgEngi | or if patch-2.6.18-rt3 is for linux-2.6.18.3 |
| 05:46.17 | ruser | jamonation tailing it should be sufficient ;) |
| 05:47.40 | ruser | i'm off to sleep now, good luck everyone |
| 05:47.51 | jamonation | night |
| 05:47.52 | ruser | thanks for you help jamonation and dooglus |
| 05:47.55 | jamonation | thanks for the help |
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| 05:52.33 | PinBalWiz | Oy! |
| 05:55.04 | PinBalWiz | enouf recommended this channel. He says there are some here who have wrestled with the ATI Radeon x1300 driver problem for Debian. I've spent several days on this and even upgraded to kernel 2.6.16 but without success in getting the ati driver installed. I've come close (I think) using the ATI installation script, but it fails due to an error. Anyone want to help me try to resolve this and maybe offer some hope for ATI card owners (x1300, at least |
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| 05:57.22 | carson | i have a remote server that i can't access, but i suspect has some file system corruption. is there anything i can do to check for this? fsck won't run on a mounted filesystem. |
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| 05:59.23 | litage | `apt-get update` says "There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1". i've googled around but find no mention of that key. what should i do? |
| 05:59.44 | Peter_Pan | litage: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 05:59.48 | litage | thanks |
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| 06:02.03 | KnowledgEngi | how can i applyes this patchs to kernel? |
| 06:02.04 | KnowledgEngi | patch-2.6.18-rt1, patch-2.6.18-rt2, patch-2.6.18-rt3, patch-2.6.18-rt4, patch-2.6.18-rt5, patch-2.6.18-rt6, patch-2.6.18-rt7 |
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| 06:02.45 | joseph_ | how do i shutdown x and go to console only mode |
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| 06:03.53 | PinBalWiz | joseph: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 06:04.38 | krazykit | PinBalWiz: check out module-assistant. it's a great program that makes it really easy to build and install modules |
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| 06:05.08 | litage | if i can't import the public key using the commands dpkg recommends (/msg dpkg etch key), how can i manually download and install it into gpg? |
| 06:05.16 | PinBalWiz | krazy, thanx. You think that will solve the ATI driver problem for the x1300? |
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| 06:05.48 | krazykit | i dunno. what's the problem with the x1300? |
| 06:06.05 | krazykit | i thought they supported the x1* cards recently |
| 06:06.19 | krazykit | but then, ati drivers suck. |
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| 06:07.18 | litage | n/m, got it :) |
| 06:08.01 | PinBalWiz | *sigh* I got a driver off ATI's website, but it was an .rpm package. There is an ati.....run file which I tried but get an error. I tried upgrading my kernel to 2.6.16 from 2.6.8 after hearing the ati install script and/or driver wouldn't work with 2.6.8. But so far, I'm still dead in the water. I'm only able to run the x1300 card as a *vesa* card for chrissake. |
| 06:08.10 | PinBalWiz | so far, anyway. |
| 06:08.12 | krazykit | aaaah |
| 06:08.14 | krazykit | wait |
| 06:08.18 | krazykit | you're using sarge? |
| 06:08.34 | PinBalWiz | yep, I am, although I backported the 2.6.16 kernel when I updated. |
| 06:08.38 | krazykit | but what's the SPECIFIC error |
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| 06:09.05 | PinBalWiz | hang on....you want me to paste it in #flood? Or just give you the one line from running the ati...run file? |
| 06:09.16 | krazykit | if it's only one line, it's fine |
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| 06:09.54 | PinBalWiz | test -f etc/fglrxrc && chmod 644 etc/fglrxrc |
| 06:09.55 | PinBalWiz | make: *** [usr/X11R6] Error 1 |
| 06:09.57 | PinBalWiz | Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install |
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| 06:10.31 | PinBalWiz | that was generated (in part) from: |
| 06:10.34 | krazykit | and there's no console spew otherwise? |
| 06:10.38 | PinBalWiz | sh ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/sarge |
| 06:10.53 | PinBalWiz | console spew? Excuse my ignorance. |
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| 06:11.02 | krazykit | long lists of compile stuff |
| 06:11.35 | PinBalWiz | no there's other stuff, but that's the only error. Let me paste it all to #flood so I don't annoy other users here, ok? |
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| 06:11.49 | krazykit | yeah, sure |
| 06:11.52 | krazykit | g'head |
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| 06:12.23 | deadcat | iceweasel font is soo small.. what do i do? set it in properties? |
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| 06:15.41 | PinBalWiz | oy. |
| 06:15.49 | krazykit | PinBalWiz: sounds like you're having build problems. |
| 06:16.08 | krazykit | since you backported 2.6.16, module-assistant might not work.. |
| 06:16.15 | PinBalWiz | krazy, I don't know what next logical step to take. |
| 06:16.26 | krazykit | well, you have 2 options |
| 06:16.39 | krazykit | 1) somehow hack your way through this |
| 06:16.45 | PinBalWiz | oh lord! Well, I was lead to believe that 2.6.8 sarge wouldn't work with this install script. |
| 06:16.53 | enouf | PinBalWiz: list you hardware .. CPU/Mobo/RAM .. and is that x1300 PCIe? or AGP? |
| 06:17.02 | gimmulf_ | How do i find out what resolv.conf should look like? |
| 06:17.03 | krazykit | 2) use etch, which doesn't get security updates, and just use module-assistant for an easy install |
| 06:17.19 | enouf | and // PinBalWiz: concerning joseph_'s earlier question .. he seems to have left, right before you posted an answer .. likely 'telinit 1' (or maybe 'init 1') is better than crashing x forcefully .. |
| 06:17.20 | PinBalWiz | it is a PCIe and an ATI Radeon x1300 vid card. |
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| 06:17.58 | sigp239 | what's the name of the kernel source package? |
| 06:18.42 | itchi | gimmulf_: nameserver IP_Gateway |
| 06:18.43 | PinBalWiz | etch is not quite as bad as experimental, I guess, but do you advise me to forego security updates? What's the syntax?--apt-get install etch? |
| 06:18.46 | enouf | sigp239: /msg dpkg source |
| 06:18.57 | krazykit | nah, PinBalWiz |
| 06:19.02 | krazykit | i mean |
| 06:19.04 | enouf | PinBalWiz: list you hardware .. CPU/Mobo/RAM |
| 06:19.15 | PinBalWiz | hang on....paste here? |
| 06:19.18 | gimmulf_ | itchi: how do i find out what IP_Gateway whould be? |
| 06:19.31 | enouf | Just tell us AMD64 ??? Intel P4? ..what |
| 06:19.40 | PinBalWiz | what's the linux command to list all that? |
| 06:19.48 | itchi | gimmulf_: Look on google, 'what is my ip'? |
| 06:20.13 | krazykit | PinBalWiz: er, i guess you could `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
| 06:20.16 | gimmulf_ | itchi: its a VPS having 3 ips |
| 06:20.24 | gimmulf_ | itchi: should i just choose one of them |
| 06:20.28 | enouf | PinBalWiz: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" |
| 06:20.43 | itchi | gimmulf_: Then you need which one you use ;-) |
| 06:20.47 | sigp239 | enouf: read the dpkg entry...don't get it...sorry doesn't make sense. i just need whatever the debian kernel source package is so i can install the proprietary nvidia 3d drivers from www.nvidia.com |
| 06:20.50 | PinBalWiz | discover won't do it? |
| 06:21.20 | gimmulf_ | itchi: shouldnt i add "search" also? |
| 06:21.27 | PinBalWiz | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ |
| 06:21.36 | PinBalWiz | I have 2 gigs of ram on the mom board. |
| 06:21.44 | itchi | gimmulf_: That's optionally, but fill it if you need too |
| 06:21.54 | PinBalWiz | and what was the suggested syntax for retrieving the momboard? |
| 06:22.19 | krazykit | uh, that shouldn't matter... |
| 06:22.32 | krazykit | but if you didn't know your proc, you're likely running the x86 version |
| 06:22.38 | sigp239 | what's the name of the kernel source package? |
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| 06:22.43 | enouf | sigp239: you need a 'deb-src' entry in sources.list and apt-get source linux-image-XXX |
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| 06:23.30 | enouf | PinBalWiz: any reason you need to saty with Sarge? |
| 06:23.47 | krazykit | PinBalWiz: and to answer the security thing, you get security from the updates anyway. |
| 06:23.53 | enouf | PinBalWiz: are you running a mission critical server? .. or just a Desktop basically |
| 06:23.54 | PinBalWiz | Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration |
| 06:23.58 | krazykit | just not yet audited by the security team |
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| 06:24.12 | PinBalWiz | that was part of the return from discover |
| 06:24.40 | sigp239 | enouf: i have a deb-src entry in sources.list |
| 06:24.47 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.48 | sigp239 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 06:24.48 | sigp239 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 06:24.48 | sigp239 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 06:24.48 | sigp239 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
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| 06:24.55 | PinBalWiz | enouf, well, I was gonna use it as my server for apache and occasionally as my desktop. |
| 06:24.59 | Ether_Man | Anyone that could direct me to exactly what package I need to install and which configfile I have to edit to actually be able to resolv anything without having to do nslookup dns dnsserver? I know it's easy to search but searching while having to manually dig up the hostname is a REAL pain >_< |
| 06:25.17 | enouf | PinBalWiz: lspci -v and the top first line should tell you chipset info, like this --> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 0 |
| 06:25.29 | enouf | !slap sigp239 for pasting |
| 06:25.51 | enouf | sigp239: yes .. that's basically it |
| 06:26.01 | enouf | gone .. |
| 06:26.28 | enouf | PinBalWiz: what's Apache for? |
| 06:26.40 | enouf | IOW why are you riunning it? a Game server? |
| 06:27.18 | PinBalWiz | enouf, for my webpage, of course. |
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| 06:27.48 | atp | hey folks, i just did a dist-upgrade (i'm running etch) and suddenly cdparanoia doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 06:28.01 | PinBalWiz | No, I'm not really into games much, it's more an info webserver. |
| 06:28.01 | atp | at first i thought it might be a udev issue, but there is a /dev/cdrom link |
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| 06:28.21 | soulfire41 | Hey everyone |
| 06:28.34 | soulfire41 | im having trouble installing Debian from CD |
| 06:28.47 | PinBalWiz | what's wrong, soul? |
| 06:28.51 | soulfire41 | well |
| 06:29.01 | itchi | Main server runs, sarge, that Etch test server is just to test the compatbility, and have never got troubles with Etch stuff of it :-) |
| 06:29.07 | enouf | PinBalWiz: the thing is .. when trying to get "Sarge" to work with newer hardware and take on the role of 3D Video card gaming can be much harder thanh just upgrading to Etch .. Sarge is rocl solid.. and doesn't really care about High-end graphics (3D) .. nor about newer hardware .. so making it work and still stay within Sarge pkg parameters .. you need to know you stuff |
| 06:29.14 | atp | for all cds cdparanoia reports '003: CDROM reporting illegal number of tracks'... my cdrom is an external usb cdrom, it's never caused problems for me before. the kernel hasn't been updated |
| 06:29.21 | soulfire41 | i have tried burning the business card ISO to CD at 1x through 12x speed........and i still cannot get the EFI shell to see it (EFI Shell is the boot menu for Itanic IA64) |
| 06:30.02 | sigp239 | linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:30.04 | sigp239 | i have those |
| 06:30.09 | soulfire41 | lol |
| 06:30.17 | soulfire41 | i wonder if the cd is dirty causing it |
| 06:30.24 | itchi | atp: Is it only with that cd in the CD ROM? |
| 06:30.25 | PinBalWiz | enouf, guess that leaves me out. :( stuff & all. Have I hosed myself with respect to security updates by backporting kernel 2.6.16 and installing it? |
| 06:30.48 | enouf | PinBalWiz: ... no not really at all .. you still have 2.6.8 right? |
| 06:30.50 | atp | itchi: no, with all cds |
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| 06:30.57 | atp | itchi: even one that i ripped successfully this morning |
| 06:31.02 | enouf | atp: clean the lens .. |
| 06:31.21 | itchi | atp: Is that on an writer that it happend? |
| 06:31.29 | atp | enouf: i sort of doubt that's the problem, seeing as how it suddenly stopped working right after i did a dist-upgrade |
| 06:31.35 | PinBalWiz | enoug, yes, I haven't deleted it, it's still in the / directory as linuz.old |
| 06:31.42 | atp | itchi: it is a writer |
| 06:31.48 | atp | itchi: although i've never used it to write |
| 06:31.48 | PinBalWiz | xlinuz.old or whatever |
| 06:32.07 | itchi | atp: Maybe some crap on the lens because you have never use it :-) |
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| 06:32.20 | atp | itchi: no i mean i've used it lots of times, just never to write |
| 06:32.24 | sigp239 | hey where is the kernel source package? I have linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 06:33.03 | itchi | Have an burner 1 lens? I not remembe of that |
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| 06:33.17 | enouf | PinBalWiz: that's a symlink that points to /boot/grub .. look in there and boot .. do this ls /boot/vmlinuz* |
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| 06:33.38 | pab | anyone know what channel for ivtv? |
| 06:33.51 | enouf | apt-get source linux-image-XXX |
| 06:34.01 | sigp239 | what's the name of the kernel source package/ i can't find it anywhere. i need to install the nvidia 3d driver from www.nvidia.com and it fails because it says i don't have the kernel source installed |
| 06:34.07 | itchi | pab: Tryout /msg chanserv list *ivtv* |
| 06:34.18 | enouf | !slap sigp239 for being ignoramus |
| 06:34.43 | sigp239 | hey |
| 06:34.45 | pab | itchi: yah.....running testing and having a heck of a time getting sound on ALL my tuner cards |
| 06:34.51 | PinBalWiz | yeah, both versions of vmlinuz are in the /boot directory. |
| 06:35.08 | sigp239 | get off your high horse |
| 06:35.10 | enouf | sigp239: see wiki.debian.org search nvidia |
| 06:35.56 | itchi | Do me thinking to my sound of my tvcard that are gone |
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| 06:36.09 | PinBalWiz | what really bugs me is the lack of support for even the more pedestrian capabilities of this ATI card. I mean, c'mon--VESA? :( |
| 06:36.10 | sigp239 | i already read those instructions |
| 06:36.19 | enouf | PinBalWiz: let's just upgrade to Etch then ... try bootin into your old kernel 1st .. pick that from the Grub menu |
| 06:36.20 | sigp239 | and i downloaded the nvidia binary driver installer |
| 06:36.40 | itchi | ... and btw, someone can watch remote tv with tvtime or whatever (not mythtv)? |
| 06:36.40 | sigp239 | and it fails because it says i don't have the kernel source package installed.... |
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| 06:36.55 | sigp239 | but i searched synaptic and i can't find any package correlating to kernel source... |
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| 06:37.01 | enouf | PinBalWiz: you bought the hardware .. not us .. radeon or 'ati' should be working .. dunno .. I use nVidia |
| 06:37.03 | sigp239 | so i'm coming here for help...anyone? |
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| 06:37.27 | PinBalWiz | enouf, can you give me a summary of the pros & cons of 'upgrading' to etch? Is it something you would recommend? Does etch have security updates? |
| 06:37.39 | enouf | sigp239: go back .. you missed about 5000 pafges of info then |
| 06:37.49 | dondelelcaro | PinBalWiz: if you need your system to work, you don't want to upgrade to etch. |
| 06:38.04 | itchi | PinBalWiz: Look also that /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 06:38.06 | dondelelcaro | PinBalWiz: however, if you need your system to work, you should consider making a duplicate of it, and testing to see if upgrading to etch continues to work. |
| 06:38.25 | dondelelcaro | (because if you don't test it, who will?) |
| 06:38.38 | PinBalWiz | dondelecaro, thanx. I'm listening carefully. |
| 06:38.47 | itchi | PinBalWiz: ATI is pain on the ass, my ATI 9600SE is been working |
| 06:38.55 | soulfire41 | Hey........i am having trouble getting EFI Shell to see the Debian CD... |
| 06:39.19 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone..........I have debain ETCH 3 dvd set........in installed system with the 1st dvd.........how to get synaptic to show me packages lists/install packages from 2nd and3rd DVD? |
| 06:39.23 | PinBalWiz | itchi, I should message dpkg 'sarge->etch'? |
| 06:39.33 | itchi | PinBalWiz: Yes ;-) |
| 06:39.37 | dondelelcaro | khaleel5000: you need to use apt-cdrom or the synaptic equivalent to load the contents of the DVDs. |
| 06:40.08 | itchi | PinBalWiz: It's an little aid bot for the /FAQ/ |
| 06:40.09 | zenwryly | so if I've installed bind9 when before I wasn't running any dns server or cache at all, what do I do with resolv.conf now? |
| 06:40.10 | soulfire41 | Does anyone know what EFI is? |
| 06:40.41 | sigp239 | enouf: no i didn't miss about 5000 pafges of info..... |
| 06:40.46 | enouf | Extended/Enhanced Firmware Interface .. an Intel thing |
| 06:40.50 | soulfire41 | Yes. |
| 06:41.05 | enouf | never worked with it :-( |
| 06:41.06 | soulfire41 | Well i am having trouble getting the Shell to see the debian cd |
| 06:41.09 | PinBalWiz | itchi, thanx, the info was useful. |
| 06:41.21 | enouf | soulfire41: seen OpenBIOS ? |
| 06:41.25 | soulfire41 | Extensible Firmware Interface technically |
| 06:41.28 | soulfire41 | Umm nope |
| 06:41.35 | pab | tvtime can try...mplayer don't work |
| 06:41.39 | enouf | er.. maybe LinuxBIOS too ? |
| 06:41.43 | soulfire41 | nope |
| 06:41.58 | enouf | soulfire41: checkout freedesktop.org and visit wikipedia for theose terms |
| 06:42.02 | itchi | PinBalWiz: You should be interesting in /msg dpkg selftell, /msg dpkg search, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 06:42.11 | sigp239 | can someone please tell me what package is the kernel source package/ |
| 06:42.16 | soulfire41 | im not changing the installed bios system |
| 06:42.24 | soulfire41 | thats too fricken low level to screw with |
| 06:42.44 | khaleel5000 | dondelelcaro, well......... synaptic seems to load my first dvd and i have installed like more than 50% of the stuff of my debian box from it ! |
| 06:42.55 | enouf | soulfire41: curious on what device the EFI is being shiupped with |
| 06:42.55 | itchi | sigp239: Which kernel run you? uname -r |
| 06:43.15 | sigp239 | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:43.19 | soulfire41 | I have an HP zx2000 |
| 06:43.29 | soulfire41 | Itanium 2 processor |
| 06:43.42 | enouf | soulfire41: spankin new .. eh? ..is that a .. oh // |
| 06:43.46 | khaleel5000 | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/paste/results/sZT7UN59.html <--- My source.lst |
| 06:43.47 | soulfire41 | actually no |
| 06:43.55 | soulfire41 | this machine was bought some point in 2000 |
| 06:44.01 | soulfire41 | $4000 at the time |
| 06:44.06 | enouf | soulfire41: so you d/l the IA64 arch? |
| 06:44.11 | soulfire41 | no |
| 06:44.13 | soulfire41 | i mean |
| 06:44.14 | soulfire41 | yeah |
| 06:44.17 | soulfire41 | the ISO that is |
| 06:44.38 | soulfire41 | IA64 is the processor archietecture..but yeah i downloaded the ISO that is designed for it |
| 06:44.54 | sigp239 | itchi: 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:45.04 | itchi | sigp239: linux-source-2.6.17 |
| 06:45.11 | soulfire41 | i have hte 31r3 business card for IA64 |
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| 06:45.24 | soulfire41 | Which version is that anyway? Sarge? |
| 06:45.24 | itchi | sigp239: Just tryout wiht apt-cache search foo |
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| 06:45.31 | enouf | right .. ok .. see if wiki.debian.org can help .. see Server Hardware http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware?highlight=%28Server%29 |
| 06:46.08 | enouf | soulfire41: see if there are any messages on the 2nd console -- Alt-F2 |
| 06:46.16 | itchi | sigp239: I did it so apt-cache search linux source | grep linux |
| 06:46.28 | itchi | shit |
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| 06:46.49 | enouf | itchi: no worries .. I alredy told him 5 times .. hehe |
| 06:47.19 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, i know, that's why i wanted to give it again an try ;-) It's not so easy in the begin ;-) |
| 06:47.33 | enouf | itchi: yeah .. |
| 06:47.46 | khaleel5000 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sZT7UN59.html <--- what should I modify in my sourcelisst so apt-get and synaptic use the 2nd and 3rd dvd of my debian atch? (it uses 1s dvd) |
| 06:47.53 | enouf | itchi: but redudacy grows old ..and fast |
| 06:48.00 | enouf | redundancy even |
| 06:48.26 | khaleel5000 | shoes package list and stuff from 1st dvd.........installed like half my packages in that manner |
| 06:48.29 | enouf | !tell khaleel5000 about apt-cdrom |
| 06:48.39 | itchi | enouf: Man, i'm very happy that many guys have not stop to try to learn me great things. I remeber been good that that the guys had many difficulties with me in the begin ;-) |
| 06:48.45 | enouf | dondelelcaro: already did I think |
| 06:48.54 | soulfire41 | I dont think you understood my problem |
| 06:48.58 | khaleel5000 | from 1st dvd.......not second and third |
| 06:49.04 | itchi | enouf: I just want to give it an try to everyone ;-) |
| 06:49.11 | soulfire41 | I cannot get EFI to see that hte cd is in the drive |
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| 06:50.27 | enouf | soulfire41: I said I've never used it .. I can't help .. I have really no idea how that works .. any settings you can change within? .. can it see other Bootable CDs .. did you md5sum your d/l ISO? |
| 06:50.31 | khaleel5000 | enouf, oh its apt-cdrom ........hmmmmmm i thnk i removed it or something :( will re-install it from 1st dvd n configure the second and 3rd dvd |
| 06:50.48 | soulfire41 | crap |
| 06:50.53 | soulfire41 | no i havent MD5'd |
| 06:51.05 | PinBalWiz | soul, have you tried the mount command? e.g. mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom or /media/cdrom? |
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| 06:52.21 | PinBalWiz | soul, see if fdisk or cfdisk recognize the /dev/hdc (or /dev/sdc or whatever your cdrom is designated as) |
| 06:52.43 | soulfire41 | no |
| 06:52.50 | khaleel5000 | heres a wierd one why the !@%$#^$^@$#&$%~@#$%!@# do my both lg cdwriter combo , and asus dvdrom sometimes NOT eject in linux while they do in Mfu**ing$ |
| 06:53.00 | PinBalWiz | also, temporarily modifying the cmos to change boot device priorities is not a big deal and you should do it as it's the easiest for starters. |
| 06:53.03 | soulfire41 | becuase EFI has the hard drive as fs0, i dont know what the cd drive would be |
| 06:53.15 | enouf | PinBalWiz: so ..you do recall seeing an 'ati' choice while doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?? If it exists (and i hear only VESA is working for you) .. try to see if 'ati;' is even supposed to work with your card |
| 06:53.41 | soulfire41 | if it sees the cd, it will list it as a drive at the shell.. |
| 06:53.48 | soulfire41 | otherwise..you cannot access it |
| 06:54.04 | PinBalWiz | enouf, yes, but when I chose it, xstart failed utterly. When I chose 'vesa' xstart succeeded. :( |
| 06:54.32 | enouf | PinBalWiz: see if it's "supposed" to work |
| 06:54.51 | PinBalWiz | so, no, 'ati' as a selection doesn't work in XFree86config. |
| 06:55.15 | enouf | PinBalWiz: if it is .. then perhaps we can focus on that .. then when you get more knowledgeable you work on upgrading to the proprietary 3D drivers |
| 06:55.15 | khaleel5000 | !tell khaleel5000 about kget |
| 06:55.29 | PinBalWiz | enough ??? How am I to know if it is 'supposed' to work. I know it doesn't, but where do I check on the 'theory'? |
| 06:55.37 | soulfire41 | i am inside CentOS linux on the machine im trying to install into...and i can access the cd drive and even see the ISO is on it....i simoply cant get EFI to recognize it |
| 06:55.38 | enouf | PinBalWiz: that's you .. not the world |
| 06:55.42 | khaleel5000 | !tell khaleel5000 about kppp |
| 06:56.03 | khaleel5000 | !tell khaleel5000 about pppd |
| 06:56.28 | enouf | PinBalWiz: find other people using it .. how would you know if a iPod actually works with USB?? |
| 06:56.44 | khaleel5000 | !tell khaleel5000 about ppp-setup |
| 06:56.56 | enouf | khaleel5000: please /msg dpkg instead |
| 06:56.58 | PinBalWiz | enouf, can you show me evidence the 'world' has succeeded in getting sarge and XFree86 to recognize the ATI card in all its glory that I have? |
| 06:57.13 | enouf | PinBalWiz: that's you job .. :-) |
| 06:57.15 | PinBalWiz | the Debian world, that is. |
| 06:57.16 | enouf | +r |
| 06:57.40 | enouf | It's not debian .. the linux ati driver is available for many distributions |
| 06:57.45 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 06:57.46 | PinBalWiz | most of the blogs I've found so far are devoted to whining about it, not bragging. :( |
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| 06:58.36 | enouf | PinBalWiz: but does it work? ... .. PinBalWiz you said NO to the framebuffer when drxx-ng yes? |
| 06:59.03 | PinBalWiz | Yes, although I tried it both ways when I reconfigured it several times. |
| 06:59.03 | enouf | adhdadhdadhdadhd |
| 06:59.08 | soulfire41 | where can i find a Debian MD5??? |
| 06:59.25 | enouf | soulfire41: from the same place you got the ISO |
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| 06:59.33 | soulfire41 | i cant find it!! |
| 06:59.34 | itchi | Piligrim: I have an older one here, an 9600SE and to be honnest, it's peace of cake to setup (followind dpkg) and works right. The card is near 3 years old |
| 06:59.48 | enouf | oh brother |
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| 07:00.09 | enouf | soulfire41: go to the Installer d/l page and see |
| 07:01.07 | itchi | Piligrim: And btw it works with Sarge too, maybe interesting |
| 07:01.24 | relaxed | On unstable, apt-get update says, "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1". Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 07:01.55 | itchi | relaxed: See /msg dpkg etch key |
| 07:01.59 | itchi | relaxed: Or /topci |
| 07:02.01 | itchi | oeps |
| 07:02.09 | relaxed | ah, thanks |
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| 07:02.48 | itchi | Sould that not be noted that the sid and etch keys are the same? |
| 07:03.19 | soulfire41 | i dont see any damn link to a MD5sum |
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| 07:03.27 | Piligrim | Whick version of Debian is lasted? |
| 07:03.32 | itchi | soulfire41: Almost on the bottom of the page |
| 07:03.34 | admin123 | Piligrim, sid |
| 07:03.41 | admin123 | Piligrim, always be |
| 07:03.59 | relaxed | itchi: That's what threw me off. It did fix it, thanks. |
| 07:04.28 | admin123 | Piligrim, if you always want to run testing just change thte current testing name to "testing" or always stable, change it to "stable" (instead of the codenames) |
| 07:04.31 | itchi | relaxed: Yup, maybe for some cards... ati are to lazy?? |
| 07:04.46 | Piligrim | I have 3.1r1 Is it the lastest& |
| 07:04.52 | unfo | hi all, I spend too much time on the Web, irc, and Usenet. I would like some way to fix this. One way I have thought of is to somehow ensure that my entire Internet usage history is posted on the web in real-time. Does this make sense? |
| 07:04.55 | soulfire41 | inside detailed installation information? |
| 07:05.17 | unfo | Piligrim: no, there are later updates to 3.1. see www.debian.org |
| 07:05.25 | admin123 | Piligrim, latestl what? stable,testing or unstable/experimental? |
| 07:05.30 | itchi | relaxed: At least what you can (and need too) do is, contact the company and ask for support. How many people ask, how many more pressure to build it /right/ |
| 07:05.44 | enouf | soulfire41: the servers/mirrors seem tied up at the moment .. when they work .. try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ia64/iso-cd/ (the parent DIR of your buisnesscard.iso) .. also .. perhaps try another iso from any other bootable media to see if you can get the EFI to see your CDROM drive (likely not an md5sum issue then..but still check it) |
| 07:05.51 | deadcat | 1024, 800, is 640 or 680 after that? |
| 07:05.56 | Piligrim | admin: stable |
| 07:05.56 | relaxed | itchi: I think you mean someone else. |
| 07:06.04 | Piligrim | admin123: stable |
| 07:06.06 | admin123 | dpkg tell Piligrim about debian |
| 07:06.06 | admin123 | dpkg tell Piligrim about stable |
| 07:06.06 | admin123 | dpkg tell Piligrim about testing |
| 07:06.06 | admin123 | dpkg tell Piligrim about unstable |
| 07:06.06 | unfo | deadcat: 640, why? |
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| 07:06.20 | itchi | relaxed: Yup, sorry ;-) bad irssi history |
| 07:06.24 | unfo | admin123: please point him to webpages instead. |
| 07:06.35 | deadcat | unfo: i just need it to be proportion. |
| 07:06.40 | itchi | soulfire41: Have you followed what i told on the bad person? |
| 07:06.50 | unfo | admin123: (you were autokicked by the bot. sorry.) |
| 07:06.54 | deadcat | unfo: 640x480 right? maybe thats the 80 is from. |
| 07:06.58 | unfo | deadcat: you need what to be proportion? |
| 07:07.03 | deadcat | unfo: photos |
| 07:07.21 | soulfire41 | bad person? |
| 07:07.22 | unfo | not all screen resolutions are exactly 4:3. Luckily you can autocrop / autozoom. |
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| 07:07.38 | enouf | admin you prick you killed dpkg |
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| 07:07.46 | unfo | deadcat: use a really good slideshow shower. :) |
| 07:07.53 | enouf | admin123: you should've just said "releases" |
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| 07:07.55 | itchi | soulfire41: Yeah, sorry, i tryout that feature that i have activated in irssi. I need to deactivate it haha |
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| 07:08.05 | unfo | !nl |
| 07:08.07 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 07:08.15 | deadcat | unfo: no. its my photo gallery. |
| 07:08.17 | enouf | wb dpkg |
| 07:08.18 | unfo | darn, piligrim is gone. |
| 07:08.32 | unfo | deadcat: what app are you using to generate the gallery? |
| 07:08.59 | itchi | woooaaa, so many scripts for irssi, i wonder why people still use xchat :-) |
| 07:09.33 | relaxed | because it's clicky |
| 07:10.13 | deadcat | unfo: i wrote one few months ago.. but i was messing with the ratio |
| 07:10.24 | itchi | The setting osd_DISPLAY = :0.0 is that right in irssi? He will no more do it :-/ |
| 07:10.41 | unfo | deadcat: dunno. maybe look at all the alternative galleries in apt and see what they do? |
| 07:10.55 | itchi | I got an little message when i start irssi but i can not see it, it goes to fast |
| 07:11.16 | soulfire41 | Is the md5sum of the downloaded ISO supposed to be EXACT same as the md5sum on the site? |
| 07:11.36 | deadcat | unfo: 640x680 is what i needed. i have original, 1024, 800, 640 |
| 07:11.38 | soulfire41 | shit no wonder |
| 07:11.41 | soulfire41 | its totally different |
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| 07:11.48 | soulfire41 | that means its corrupted anyway |
| 07:11.52 | soulfire41 | thanks for the help man |
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| 07:12.47 | unfo | deadcat: you mean 640x480 |
| 07:13.02 | deadcat | unfo: ya. (= |
| 07:13.07 | unfo | but it'll never be true full-screen 640x480 unless you press F11. :) |
| 07:13.51 | deadcat | unfo: i have loads of pictures and lot of people might visit. and i only have like 30-40k up |
| 07:13.59 | PinBalWiz | . |
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| 07:14.14 | deadcat | unfo: it was 800x680, but that took too long. |
| 07:14.47 | unfo | PinBalWiz: .. |
| 07:15.10 | itchi | I think i got request can not be found or somethings else, it goes a bit to fast and when i quit irssi i not see the message in the console. There's no log file too for that irssi |
| 07:15.32 | itchi | Is there another way to see that message? |
| 07:17.25 | PinBalWiz | unfo? Sorry, I was on my other terminal and and irc server. |
| 07:19.03 | unfo | PinBalWiz: what is "."? :-) |
| 07:20.26 | PinBalWiz | unfo, all opinions in hitchhiker's guid to the galaxy notwithstanding, sometimes a '.' is just a '.' |
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| 07:21.05 | PinBalWiz | At other times, it is the answer to the meaning of life and the center of the universe. |
| 07:21.13 | unfo | PinBalWiz: is that why you typed one? :) |
| 07:21.31 | PinBalWiz | no. I just wanted to see my name in lights. |
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| 07:22.33 | soulfire41 | How exact does the MD5SUM of an ISo have to be, to be correct? |
| 07:22.48 | krazykit | completely |
| 07:22.49 | streuner | correct |
| 07:22.51 | soulfire41 | damn |
| 07:22.51 | Sargun | 100% at least |
| 07:22.55 | Sargun | hahahaha |
| 07:22.58 | soulfire41 | i just downloaded it once AGAIN |
| 07:23.01 | soulfire41 | and its nto exact |
| 07:23.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.02 | soulfire41 | jesus |
| 07:23.07 | krazykit | soulfire41: try a torrent |
| 07:23.09 | soulfire41 | ohhh |
| 07:23.11 | Sargun | soulfire41, what download system? |
| 07:23.13 | Sargun | use bit torrent |
| 07:23.15 | krazykit | hash checking built in |
| 07:23.28 | Sargun | Checks the hashes of the blocks automagically |
| 07:23.31 | enouf | soulfire41: see ^^ point us at where you are obtaining the ISO and the md5sum |
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| 07:24.01 | soulfire41 | the debian site |
| 07:24.11 | itchi | Strange, xosd-bin is been installed to, but the osd script function have stop to work for an unknow reason |
| 07:24.28 | soulfire41 | the MD5 is for testing but i have stable..im getting the right bd5 now |
| 07:24.58 | unfo | PinBalWiz |
| 07:24.58 | unfo | oops, no color. will try again. PinBalWiz |
| 07:24.58 | unfo | did it work? |
| 07:24.58 | unfo | :P |
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| 07:25.36 | unfo | sorry, that was caused by lag. :( |
| 07:25.42 | enouf | PinBalWiz: boot into 2.6.8 .. then apt-get --purge remove linux-image-2.6.16 (or whatever bpo's name is) .. then wipe otu /preferences entries for bpo, then edit /sources.list and remove any entries toher than sarge .. then come back and /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 07:34.53 | itchi | Why is xchat not free to use on MS Wincrap, while it use here an GPL or whatever license? |
| 07:35.26 | streuner | itchi: there are free 'versions' ;-) |
| 07:35.27 | Vich | if you hate windows, why do you care? |
| 07:35.51 | itchi | streuner: That's the same we have on Debian? http://www.xchat.org/windows/ |
| 07:35.59 | unfo | itchi: go to www.xchat.org/windows or www.silverex.org |
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| 07:36.47 | valdyn | itchi: its free for windows too, just the precompiled binary from xchat.org is not |
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| 07:37.05 | itchi | valdyn: heh, strange world ;-) |
| 07:37.12 | walker | hello everybody :-) |
| 07:37.26 | bintut | is it possible in ISC's /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to have a range declaration under the group {} ? |
| 07:38.00 | itchi | Just sad that irssi is not in cygwin :-( |
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| 07:38.31 | bintut | meaning: group "GROUP NAME" { range 192.168.1.101 192.168.1.254; } |
| 07:39.31 | soulfire41 | jeez its taking debian site like 10 minutes to load a page |
| 07:43.26 | walker | does anybody know if on debian work pcmcia wif card asus wl-107g, when I tried to instal debian, the installer did not recognize it ( on ubunu it works) |
| 07:44.27 | valdyn | walker: that one is rt2500 chip based i think, driver is not in debian's kernel ( nor mainline ), but a driver package is in debian |
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| 07:45.58 | walker | valdyn: thank you |
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| 07:47.32 | eeyore- | imho, best chips for wifi are: intel pro/wireless, prism (if you can still get them), atheros, ralink, and everything else |
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| 07:48.34 | iuso | hi, i have a problem in etch. i installed kde, but there are no entries in control center |
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| 07:49.30 | itchi | iuso: An know issue |
| 07:49.50 | enouf | iuso: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 07:50.28 | itchi | enouf: There is an bug with kcontrol kde actually. |
| 07:50.41 | itchi | iuso: Look in the lost-found menu ;-) |
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| 07:51.55 | enouf | itchi: sure seems so |
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| 07:53.11 | karat | Anyone know what username the debian install cd uses in expert mode when you enable remote install using ssh? |
| 07:53.27 | karat | I stupidly clicked past the thing after typing the password not reading what it said |
| 07:53.39 | karsten | karat: root |
| 07:53.50 | karsten | away |
| 07:53.51 | iuso | itchi: thanks :) |
| 07:54.00 | karat | I get password denied, hrmphf |
| 07:54.21 | iuso | itchi: i haven't experienced the bug with a source-based kde 3.5.5 install, but that might be because i've only upgraded from previous versions. this was a fresh install |
| 07:54.52 | itchi | iuso: There's an threat on the Usenet too, maybe it interst you |
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| 07:55.50 | iuso | itchi: do you have any pointers to how i could restore that stuff from lost & found? |
| 07:56.03 | karsten | karat: May need to set a password then ;-) |
| 07:56.14 | iuso | itchi: although i'm fine as it is, as long as i can find the config menus _somewhere_ |
| 07:56.44 | karat | karsten, it prompted for what I thought was the password and used "root" since its just an internal network and thats easy to remember :p so maybe there is some blacklist of words that arn't explicitly tested against or something |
| 07:56.54 | itchi | iuso: Not yet, have installed kde 3 days ago on the laptop to see what's happend, like i not like kde i have give it up fast :-) |
| 07:56.58 | karat | I'll just install normally I suppose, no worries. |
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| 07:57.21 | itchi | iuso: I go to look a bit, but goes take some time i guess |
| 07:57.33 | atp | hey, does anyone know how i can change the aspell dictionary to british english instead of american english |
| 07:57.55 | itchi | iuso: I have see some threats on the Usenet about it also |
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| 08:00.39 | unfo | atp: sudo apt-get remove wamerican wbritish+ |
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| 08:00.39 | unfo | atp: that deals with the wordlists. |
| 08:00.39 | jimmybgood | what does samba need fam for? |
| 08:00.43 | unfo | atp: dunno about dictionaries. |
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| 08:00.53 | unfo | probably remove iamerican |
| 08:01.39 | atp | unfo: hm, ok, thanks :) |
| 08:02.53 | unfo | atp: np :) google for more info though. |
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| 08:05.00 | karat | Using debians busybox is there a way to extract a .tar.bz2 file? |
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| 08:06.31 | HypnoToad | gday |
| 08:07.09 | HypnoToad | i'm just playing with jfs and acls. I installed 'acl' but can't seem to be able to change acls using setfacl |
| 08:07.36 | HypnoToad | can anyone tell me how to find out, if the jfs module actually supports acl? |
| 08:07.54 | jimmybgood | HypnoToad: howdy, I think this channel is just zombies. Maybe everyone went to irc.debian.org |
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| 08:08.13 | HypnoToad | oh did they |
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| 08:13.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:13.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:14.02 | ww | !kernel |
| 08:14.04 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.3, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc6-git4, 2.4: 2.4.33.4, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre6, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc5-mm2 |
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| 08:14.25 | soulfire41 | Hey im working on burning the debian ISO using K3b ....what ISO Level do i want? |
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| 08:15.17 | ww | what linux kernel etch final release will use? |
| 08:15.34 | Guerin | 2.6.18 |
| 08:15.46 | Guerin | soulfire41: widhe |
| 08:15.53 | soulfire41 | huh? |
| 08:16.02 | soulfire41 | it says level 1,2 ,3 |
| 08:16.04 | ww | Guerin: can i use 2.6.18 today? |
| 08:16.14 | Guerin | be my guest |
| 08:16.22 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 08:16.22 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 08:16.28 | Guerin | soulfire41: ↑ |
| 08:16.32 | ww | comes by default on etch sanpshot? |
| 08:16.52 | Guerin | ww: no idea. |
| 08:17.34 | cydork | Guerin: huh? is 2.6.18 sure yet? |
| 08:17.45 | Phated | Guerin: Why the sudden spate of UTF-8 arrows? |
| 08:17.54 | Guerin | cydork: it's been decided, yeah. DUnno if it's moved into the branch yet |
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| 08:17.59 | cydork | Phated: he is addicted to themm.. |
| 08:18.11 | soulfire41 | Are any of you programmers? |
| 08:18.16 | Guerin | Phated: because i cån |
| 08:18.25 | ww | my hardware needs kernel 2.6.18, what the best debian practice for this? |
| 08:18.29 | Guerin | soulfire41: no, nobody is a programmer. |
| 08:18.31 | iuso | has anyone had luck with adding a new panel in KDE 3.5.5? i can't seem to configure anything else but the old panel, even if the new one appears. so i can't move it or anything |
| 08:18.33 | Phated | Guerin: Well and good. Anyways, I can see them, me happy ^.^ |
| 08:18.40 | TraceGreen | Hello, are there any tools to read QEMU Copy-On-Write disk image? Except qemu itself. |
| 08:18.43 | Guerin | ww: see if there's a daily with it on |
| 08:18.53 | Guerin | ww: try #debian-boot irc.debian.org |
| 08:18.53 | cydork | Guerin: not yet.. |
| 08:18.58 | anibal | karat, busybox doesn't have support for bzip2, apparently |
| 08:19.15 | cydork | ww: you can try sarge with 2.6.18.. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:19.24 | karat | anibal, well it seems the official busybox project does, but debians version is really minimal and doesn't |
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| 08:20.05 | anibal | karat, what's the URL of the official busybox project? |
| 08:20.10 | ww | thanks |
| 08:20.18 | karat | www.busybox.net |
| 08:20.20 | ww | font size="3">/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:20.32 | Guerin | 'wtf |
| 08:20.33 | anibal | karat, thanks |
| 08:20.38 | Guerin | html irc client? |
| 08:20.43 | Phated | cgi::irc? |
| 08:20.51 | Guerin | crapzilla? |
| 08:20.57 | Phated | ... yeah, prolly :) |
| 08:21.11 | ww | Guerin: sorry it's a windows gaim... very lame i know :( |
| 08:21.26 | Guerin | windows gaim uses HTML? |
| 08:21.29 | Phated | Eh, since when did even windows gaim use html? |
| 08:21.32 | ww | i guess |
| 08:21.35 | Guerin | whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 08:21.56 | bela | Hi, I want to forward the IP pemanantly, instead of echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:22.04 | anibal | karat, btw, I maintain bzip2 |
| 08:22.23 | karat | cool |
| 08:22.38 | Guerin | bela: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 08:22.57 | Phated | /etc/network/options? |
| 08:23.01 | Guerin | bela: or use an iptables script on up, like http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 08:23.09 | Phated | Although that's deprecated, methinks. |
| 08:24.47 | jnguy | you can get any version of gaim to use html. |
| 08:25.02 | jnguy | Its an option. |
| 08:25.06 | deadcat | domain names can start with a digit right? |
| 08:25.13 | jnguy | yes. |
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| 08:25.19 | deadcat | xxxcellent |
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| 08:25.49 | karat | busybox tar -xv doesn't seem to be doing anything, does it take a few minutes sometimes? |
| 08:25.51 | Phated | *snort* |
| 08:26.08 | deadcat | cocaine? |
| 08:26.15 | bela | guerin: to put IP_FORWARD = 1 , in some file, is not enough, I remmeber on redhat I put this in /etc/sysconfig/.. |
| 08:26.21 | Phated | karat: Erh, "tar -xv" what, precisely? |
| 08:26.39 | karat | "tar -xv mytarhere.tar" |
| 08:26.43 | Guerin | bela: let's be simple here. WHat you want is to share your internet connection with other machines, no? |
| 08:26.58 | Phated | karat: "tar -xvf yourtarhere.tar" might work better. |
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| 08:27.22 | karat | Ahh yeah there we go :0 |
| 08:27.33 | Phated | You're welcome. |
| 08:27.44 | karat | thanks |
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| 08:28.46 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 08:28.58 | deadcat | the whois command seems kinna useless. |
| 08:29.15 | bela | guerin: yes, but permanatly, and not at each reboot I put 1 in the kernel |
| 08:29.15 | iuso | does anyone know what it takes to configure a custom kernel without initrd? i'm having trouble getting a custom kernel for an IBM 306m server to work... it claims it can't find sda1, seems like it's missing /dev or something. the default i386 kernel works |
| 08:29.34 | Guerin | bela: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 08:29.36 | Guerin | bela: that is all |
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| 08:30.02 | Phated | AIEEEEEE |
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| 08:30.26 | Phated | Now my girly bits are safe ^.^ |
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| 08:30.36 | Guerin | more safe than you might like |
| 08:30.41 | cydork | hehe |
| 08:30.51 | Phated | Oh, shut up and go away, I'm not dating timgoh0 anymore :) |
| 08:30.54 | Guerin | make sure you issue prospective suitors with a hazmat suit |
| 08:31.14 | Phated | Pah, if my suitor doesn't BRING one, he doesn't get let in@ |
| 08:31.32 | Phated | s/\@/\!/ of course. |
| 08:32.03 | Vich | snani slash? |
| 08:32.36 | Phated | No, go read up on perl expressions :( |
| 08:32.48 | deadcat | anyone know what kind of software this place might use to search for the bib number? http://www.capturethemoment.net/?page=image_explorer |
| 08:32.55 | Phated | Actually, sed. |
| 08:32.57 | Guerin | who is snani, and why are people writing slash about it |
| 08:32.58 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:33.05 | Phated | Guerin: I resisted that joke. |
| 08:33.10 | Guerin | wtf is a bib number? |
| 08:33.25 | deadcat | Guerin: the number on those runners shirt |
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| 08:34.51 | khaleel | hi everyone |
| 08:35.26 | Guerin | deadcat: ENOIMAGE |
| 08:35.31 | deadcat | cool |
| 08:35.39 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:36.14 | khaleel | yesterday I came up with one of with a host of questions/problems one of which was that in debian etch the kcontrol was empty (showed only network and perhpherals |
| 08:36.32 | khaleel | netwrok was like empty and peripherals had jsut an option for onix devices |
| 08:37.26 | khaleel | the folks at debian-kde told me to get kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-4, kcontrol and kdebase-data 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2 (from unstable) and it successfullly solved the problem......since I am a newbie i thought it might be usefull adding this info to the bot |
| 08:37.53 | enouf | khaleel: iuso : sounds like the kio slave is munged .. see #debian-kde #kde .. and mailing lists? .. kde.org .. bug reports |
| 08:38.19 | enouf | very nice khaleel :-) |
| 08:38.29 | enouf | tell iuso ..:-) |
| 08:38.53 | iuso | enouf: thanks :) |
| 08:38.56 | khaleel | enouf, i dont know how to tell :( or would have done it my self..tell me how to tell |
| 08:39.02 | iuso | i'll check what repo i'm using and update those |
| 08:39.12 | Guerin | khaleel: thanks for sharing |
| 08:39.19 | iuso | btw, where is the repo settings file? i've just started at a job and new to debian which they use |
| 08:39.22 | khaleel | Guerin, okiez |
| 08:39.50 | khaleel | letme guess /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:39.52 | Guerin | !kcontrol empty is <reply> If kcontrol is empty, install kdelibs4c2a kcontrol and kdebase-data from unstable. If you think you're tough enough. |
| 08:39.53 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:39.56 | iuso | k |
| 08:40.01 | enouf | !tell khaleel: about kcc fix |
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| 08:40.09 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:40.13 | enouf | !kcc fix |
| 08:40.13 | dpkg | methinks kcc fix is : extra extra :; the folks at debian-kde told me to get kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-4, kcontrol and kdebase-data 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2 (from unstable) and it successfullly solved the problem. |
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| 08:40.58 | Guerin | iuso: NEVER install source things on debian unless you use the debian build tools. |
| 08:41.04 | ftatr2006 | hello |
| 08:41.12 | Guerin | iuso: just a friendly warning from someone who's not your boss :) |
| 08:41.39 | iuso | Guerin: i know what you mean. being able to track stuff is vital, that's why i'll get to know how debs are made before i install my favorite win dec :) |
| 08:42.13 | iuso | Guerin: and that's also why i prefer Source Mage for my home system, because it installs from source and tracks everything. but enough of that advert |
| 08:42.22 | ftatr2006 | i need help. Im trying to mount a partition but i cant do anyting with a regular user i whant to be able to read a write to the partition but i dont know how to do this |
| 08:42.39 | Guerin | iuso: what use is installing from source? |
| 08:42.51 | iuso | Guerin: i'm guessing i'll need to replace "main" with "unstable" in sources.list? does that also apply for security? |
| 08:42.57 | Guerin | ftatr2006: man fstab; man mount |
| 08:43.13 | Guerin | iuso: don't guess. Man source.list :) |
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| 08:44.38 | iuso | Guerin: installing from sources allows me to optimize for the exact arch i have, and allows me to not include any compile options or dependencies i don't really want. it's the perfect way imho to build a system to one's liking - if one is prepared to configure everything from start. some like it, some don't. and for a company like this one i know it's important to be able to quickly install a system when needed, so i think debian is the best choice for t |
| 08:44.48 | Guerin | hah |
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| 08:45.06 | Guerin | the 'gentoo' argument, an offshoot of which I presume source mage is |
| 08:45.15 | Guerin | !gentoosmite iuso |
| 08:45.18 | iuso | couldn't be further from your target Guerin |
| 08:45.28 | Guerin | iuso: well, what you described is gentoo |
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| 08:45.52 | iuso | source mage isn't related to gentoo technically. also the philosophical similarities stop pretty much where i described |
| 08:46.10 | iuso | there's a distinct difference between customizing and ricing :) |
| 08:46.37 | Guerin | *shrug* |
| 08:46.59 | Guerin | the main problem I had with gentoo was that its build processes required constant handholding |
| 08:47.03 | iuso | obscure gcc "optimization" flags and other hacks aren't beneficial to anything else than the ego |
| 08:47.05 | enouf | yep .. like ppl who need to compile newer pkgs to work with Sarge only |
| 08:47.18 | Guerin | iuso: but that's not the main point of gentoo, either. USE flags are. |
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| 08:47.34 | iuso | gentoo's build process is bad in comparison to source mage from what i've heard. but i don't have experience with gentoo |
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| 08:48.12 | iuso | source mage gives me what i need, and does it well. for minimal systems it's great |
| 08:48.29 | iuso | but as we say in .fi: "one likes the mother, the other likes the daughter" :) |
| 08:48.37 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:49.03 | enouf | some like both :-) |
| 08:49.22 | Guerin | hough not at the same time, that's nasty |
| 08:49.43 | enouf | hehe... there's exceptions to all things .. |
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| 08:50.09 | iuso | heh |
| 08:50.24 | iuso | is there an "unstable/updates" dir? |
| 08:50.28 | iuso | for security |
| 08:50.40 | iuso | presently configured as "etch/updates" |
| 08:50.43 | ftatr2006 | when i have a mounted drive how can i access it with another user?? |
| 08:50.44 | enouf | iuso: you mean a repo? .. no |
| 08:50.55 | iuso | ok |
| 08:51.16 | Guerin | iuso: unstable gets updates daily |
| 08:51.26 | Guerin | so no need for a specific security branch |
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| 08:51.57 | enouf | iuso: I can't even recall the exact status of Etch security .. it is there(exisits) , or it isn't(nonm-existant) .. that's the question |
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| 08:53.31 | iuso | enouf: yeah, familiar situation with all stuff Hot and New |
| 08:54.10 | bela | guerin, sorry I was disconnected, thank you the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is now = 1, so there is no config to do? |
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| 08:54.27 | Guerin | bela: did you install ipmasq? |
| 08:54.38 | iuso | "There are no public key avaiable for ... You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" <-- right after running apt-get update |
| 08:54.48 | bela | guerin , Yes |
| 08:54.51 | Guerin | iuso: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 08:55.16 | enouf | iuso: I "think" that it's not up to date with security (etch) becasue many packages are always moving in .. some out .. and it would drive the maintainers (actually the security team) nuts trying to keep up all the time |
| 08:55.20 | Guerin | bela: then it'll set that automatically |
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| 08:55.38 | Guerin | bela: if you want more information, look at iptables -L -v -n |
| 08:56.05 | iuso | i think i'll attempt to screw up the rest of the day's work by updating everything from unstable |
| 08:56.14 | bela | guerin, thank I 'll try all this, bye |
| 08:56.14 | Guerin | yay! |
| 08:56.17 | enouf | bela: also updatedb as root and locate ipmasq perhaps |
| 08:56.25 | Guerin | enouf: why? |
| 08:56.32 | enouf | read the docs? |
| 08:56.34 | Guerin | enouf: it's in /etc/ipmasq |
| 08:56.43 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.48 | enouf | the docs? |
| 08:57.08 | Guerin | !readme ipmasq |
| 08:57.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:57.18 | enouf | haha |
| 08:57.23 | Guerin | !helpfile ipmasq |
| 08:57.24 | dpkg | For help with ipmasq, look in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 08:57.39 | Guerin | the point being they're in standard locations |
| 08:57.44 | enouf | Guerin: the readme usually doesn't say much a lot of times |
| 08:57.58 | enouf | Guerin: well whatever they are .. I can never seem to find the,m |
| 08:57.58 | Guerin | depends on the package |
| 08:58.08 | iuso | would you recommend dist-upgrade instead of plain upgrade? |
| 08:58.14 | Guerin | often if it doesn't, it's because there's a separate -doc package |
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| 08:58.24 | enouf | right |
| 08:58.46 | enouf | and it's not goiung to appear using locate until one updatedb |
| 08:58.56 | Guerin | iuso: if you want to update the whole shop, yeah. You get to keep all the bits. |
| 08:59.39 | Guerin | enouf: and a separate -doc package isn't ever going to appear, updatedb or no |
| 08:59.49 | enouf | sure it will |
| 08:59.51 | gimmulf_ | Is there something wrong with VIM 7.0 in debian? Cant get syntax colors to work on config/css files, work on ruby/html files though |
| 08:59.55 | Guerin | enouf: how? |
| 09:00.04 | Guerin | gimmulf_: BTS |
| 09:00.07 | enouf | it does here AFAIK |
| 09:00.20 | gimmulf_ | Guerin: what is bts? |
| 09:00.25 | enouf | Guerin: an ex : locate aptitude |
| 09:00.27 | Guerin | gimmulf_: ask dpkg |
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| 09:00.37 | enouf | Guerin: the -doc-en returns within the results |
| 09:00.44 | gimmulf_ | Guerin: u how? |
| 09:00.46 | Guerin | enouf: but that won't find anything in foo-doc isf foo-doc IS NOT FUCKING INSTALLED |
| 09:00.55 | enouf | wtf? |
| 09:00.58 | bela | Another question, please, I want to use xchat from my office but there is a proxy with passwd, how to configure the xchat |
| 09:01.01 | enouf | I'm searching for docs |
| 09:01.23 | Guerin | enouf: this is the stupidest discussion I've had all day |
| 09:01.33 | enouf | whi gives a crap if it's NOT FSCKEN INSTALLED! |
| 09:01.34 | Guerin | and I've been cooped up in a room with a bunch of undergrads for most of it |
| 09:01.45 | enouf | !slap Guerin |
| 09:01.56 | Guerin | bela: #xchat |
| 09:02.17 | Guerin | dpkg, what is bts? |
| 09:02.18 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Guerin |
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| 09:02.50 | Guerin | dpkg, what is bts is <reply> BTS is the bug tracking system at bugs.debian.org, goddamnit. |
| 09:02.51 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Guerin |
| 09:02.57 | Guerin | bah, it's the 'is' |
| 09:03.02 | Guerin | he doesn't like more than one |
| 09:03.15 | khaleel | ! tell khaleel what is bts |
| 09:03.29 | Guerin | !bts |
| 09:03.29 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:03.41 | Guerin | sometimes simple things actually weork |
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| 09:10.46 | cafuego | like kimchi |
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| 09:18.17 | Capkirk | can anyone remember what that command that will run another command every X second is called? |
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| 09:20.57 | yang | did newer release of firefox solve the memory management problems, which mozilla had? |
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| 09:25.54 | k_osh | Capkirk: watch? |
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| 09:28.52 | Capkirk | k_osh: ah yes thanks! |
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| 09:40.31 | bloo_sky | I'm looking for a command line program that will print a PDF, I've been through the package list but can't see anything appropriate, any ideas? |
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| 09:42.51 | MikeSeth | guys, what does + stand for in Linux ls permissions output? |
| 09:43.42 | bloo_sky | where does the + appear? |
| 09:44.04 | MikeSeth | bloo_sky: after the permission line, e.g. drwxrw-rw+ |
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| 09:44.29 | MikeSeth | I suspect its an NFS lock of some sort, but I can't find anything in the documentation, stat has nothing either |
| 09:45.01 | bloo_sky | never seen that one. |
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| 09:45.30 | MikeSeth | well, SunOS ls(1) says it's presence of ACL |
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| 09:45.43 | syntaxx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:45.50 | MikeSeth | Oh.. this is reiserfs. Yes, great. |
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| 09:47.13 | Capkirk | MikeSeth: getfacl <file> |
| 09:47.23 | Capkirk | MikeSeth: you will see ACL's |
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| 09:48.28 | MikeSeth | awesome, thanks |
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| 09:49.45 | MikeSeth | I never realised this box had extended ACLs |
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| 09:53.26 | ttz | hi there ! |
| 09:53.28 | soulfire41 | I need help getting an ISO burned properly |
| 09:53.30 | ttz | I'm using expr(1) to match a regex, but I have the following message: |
| 09:53.33 | ttz | expr: warning: unportable BRE: `^-[a-zA-Z1-9]*0': using `^' as the first character of the basic regular expression is not portable; it is being ignored |
| 09:53.41 | ttz | I thought ^ has a meaning in BRE, doesn't it ? |
| 09:56.19 | ttz | ah... I think I have an answer... Linux' manpage isn't verbose enough, but FreeBSD's one says that an implicit ``^'' is set at the beginning of the regex |
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| 09:57.29 | cong0_natty | #centos |
| 09:57.32 | cong0_natty | erm |
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| 09:59.54 | k_osh | so if I've setup raid1 properly and lvm on that I should be able to just mark the first disk as "faulty" and still be able to boot. correct? |
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| 10:00.39 | k_osh | evms however tells me that there aren't any lvm volumes on the mirror-disk. is that bad or just to be expected? |
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| 10:03.01 | ringo999 | im having a problem with my keymaps. im using a german keymap, works find on the shell, but as soon as i "startx" a US keymap is loaded; loadkeys from within a terminal in xfce doesnt help to change it either. any idea anyone? thx. |
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| 10:03.39 | k_osh | ringo999: does it load any keymap in xorg.conf? |
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| 10:05.13 | JimQode | does anyone know how i can play aac streams on beep media player? |
| 10:05.21 | JimQode | what package do i need to install? |
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| 10:06.45 | ringo999 | k_osh: im using XF86config... yeah there is something like a keyboard layout option, im messing with it right now... |
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| 10:10.19 | ringo999 | why doesnt the x-server automatically use the same keymap as on the shell? |
| 10:10.29 | ringo999 | meaning, that is loaded with the kernel? |
| 10:11.32 | cusco_ | ringo999: it may have its own settings |
| 10:11.59 | cusco_ | first time you set it up you are asked wich layout you want |
| 10:12.05 | cusco_ | that's the one it will remember |
| 10:12.07 | tarzeau | JimQode: mplayer ? |
| 10:12.08 | cusco_ | I supose |
| 10:12.23 | ringo999 | cusco_: yeah, i guess i have to reconfigure it... |
| 10:12.45 | ringo999 | just wonder how to make it load a custom keymap |
| 10:12.49 | JimQode | tarzeau, mplayer does it out of the box? |
| 10:12.58 | tarzeau | JimQode: dunno, my mplayer packages do |
| 10:14.27 | JimQode | tarzeau, oh it works. thanks. |
| 10:15.48 | cusco_ | ringo999: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree |
| 10:15.57 | cusco_ | you will set that option there somewhere |
| 10:16.21 | lord_rob | xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
| 10:16.28 | cusco_ | or if it is only for a xsession for instance setxkbmap pt -model 105 |
| 10:16.39 | cusco_ | lord_rob: "11:04:32 < ringo999> k_osh: im using XF86config..." |
| 10:17.17 | lord_rob | cusco_: then it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:17.27 | cusco_ | thats what I meant :P |
| 10:17.29 | lord_rob | (don't forget the 86) |
| 10:17.38 | lord_rob | ok :) |
| 10:17.39 | cusco_ | cheerio!! |
| 10:18.33 | SpComb | names |
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| 10:20.48 | MarcoPau | hello, I have this partition in fstab /dev/hda1 /mnt vfat defaults,user 0 0 and I don't know why I can't move or copy a file into it. That's why I added uid=marcopau,umask=002, still not obtaining any good result |
| 10:22.24 | bintut | any dhcp3 users here? |
| 10:23.23 | MikeSeth | *shrug* I use dnsmasq for DHCP |
| 10:24.08 | bintut | is it possible in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to have multiple subnets inside a shared-network? for example, consider this: |
| 10:24.10 | bintut | shared-network "my network" { subnet 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { range 172.16.11.1 172.16.99.254; } subnet 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { range 172.16.100.1 172.16.100.254; } subnet 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { range 172.16.101.1 172.16.255.254; } } |
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| 10:24.56 | MikeSeth | bintut: I might be wrong, but as far as I can remember, you're supposed to declare subnets outside of network declarations, and refer to them by name or something within shared-network |
| 10:25.19 | yang | Is there a good manual on how to tune mailman to work with exim4? |
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| 10:25.45 | bintut | MikeSeth: yeah.. |
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| 10:33.40 | bintut | MikeSeth: is it possible with this kind of setup? ==> http://paste.debian.net/17064 |
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| 10:37.09 | MikeSeth | bintut: I don't remember, I last used the official dhcpd like 2 years ago |
| 10:37.46 | MikeSeth | bintut: again, IIRC the subnet declarations should be outside of shared-network declarations. I remember distinctly there's some syntactic trick to it |
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| 10:40.41 | bintut | MikeSeth: the subnet declarations should be outside the shared network? |
| 10:41.32 | cast_ | hmm. i don't know what to google for to fix this but, in xterm i can run pstree and it outputs fine. in aterm i get init─┬─acpid |
| 10:41.56 | cast_ | where between init and acpid is all garbage, where instead it should be a straight line |
| 10:43.05 | jcwong | btw, how to free up the swap space without rebooting? |
| 10:43.47 | lord_rob | jcwong: swapoff ? |
| 10:44.16 | jcwong | i still want to enable. |
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| 10:44.52 | MikeSeth | bintut: I am not saying they should be, I am saying I think this is how it was done with the software I used three years ago. Either way I am sure documentation and HOWTOs explain this in detail |
| 10:45.21 | bintut | MikeSeth: i can't find a good documentation either.. :( |
| 10:45.22 | MikeSeth | jcwong: you don't "free up" swap space. The kernel manages it. You can only tell the kernel which swap partitions to use for swap space. |
| 10:45.29 | MikeSeth | bintut: really |
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| 10:46.35 | lord_rob | jcwong: wouldn't swapoff then swapon do the job ? I don't know, never tried such things |
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| 10:47.39 | MikeSeth | lord_rob: you cant just turn off the swap if its not in use. |
| 10:47.45 | MikeSeth | s/not in use/in use/ |
| 10:47.47 | jcwong | MikeSeth: I used up all the swap here 250 Mb, now depend on free mem about 6Mb.heh |
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| 10:48.57 | MikeSeth | add more swap then |
| 10:49.05 | toothsmith | hello room |
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| 10:49.11 | Kerr | bintut: 172.16 - 172.31 are private class b networks, each with what, 65,534 hosts? sounds like you're being a little odd. why not use, for example 172.16.1.0/24 ,172.16.2.0/24, etc as your subnets.. or even 172.16.0.0/18, 172.17.0.0/18,172.18.0.0/18 ? saves on all the subnetting math |
| 10:49.38 | lunitik | Hey... I've setup a chroot as per: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/amd64.jspx ... I can run mplayer fine from within the chroot, however, when I try to run iceweasel, nothing happens... strace gives several 'permission denied' errors for things like: /proc/self/fd/0 |
| 10:49.40 | Kerr | i mean, how many hosts are you planning to have in each subnet? |
| 10:49.53 | lunitik | Anyone have any idea what I can do about this? |
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| 10:50.37 | toothsmith | has anyone successfully installed Sarge on an L2000 (HP) box? |
| 10:50.44 | cydork | lunitik: you dont have /proc mounted.. |
| 10:50.58 | toothsmith | I get an error that deboostrap has failed installing the base system |
| 10:51.07 | Kerr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network |
| 10:51.31 | lunitik | cydork: I do... mount states: proc /chroot/kde32/proc proc defaults 0 0 for the chrooted proc |
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| 10:52.12 | lunitik | uhh... mount states proc on /chroot/kde32/proc type proc (rw) ... above is the fstab entry :/ |
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| 10:53.06 | lunitik | I've seen several places state different names as filesystem for proc... perhaps I should use 'proc32' for the chroot version? |
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| 10:53.33 | lunitik | (This is stated in the Debian manual, and differes from the HOWTO I linked to... ) |
| 10:55.38 | cast | mm. i know i've already asked. but does anyone know how to fix aterm having garbled characters in etch when running pstree, mc or the like. xterm works fine, rxvt has the same problem, and eterm isn't in etch so i've ran out of lightweight terminals with transparency :\ |
| 10:56.54 | lunitik | Hmm... using a different filesystem for proc seems to make no difference, so thats not it... |
| 10:57.00 | bintut | Kerr: we're planning to have something like this ==> http://paste.debian.net/17068 |
| 10:57.27 | cydork | lunitik: you cant use a different filesystem |
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| 10:57.48 | Kerr | bintut: it's bettet to consider what you need before penning down your subnets: ie how many subnets, with how many hosts? |
| 10:57.53 | Kerr | better^ |
| 10:58.13 | Malagmyr | Windows is a lot better than Debian, cause on windows you can defrag your pagefile to make it run faster, m'kay? Most Debian installs don't even have a pagefile, so there. |
| 10:58.15 | lunitik | cydork: The Debian Manuals disagree... I'm not saying 'type'... 'filesystem' |
| 10:58.24 | Malagmyr | I hate windows users. |
| 10:58.56 | cydork | lunitik: which one? check this http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#chroot |
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| 11:00.24 | lunitik | cydork: That one... see the link where it says "You can see the Debian Reference Manual 8.6.33 for a complete explaination of how to set up a chroot environment." |
| 11:00.37 | cydork | lunitik: oh sorry http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 11:02.12 | lunitik | cydork: That states an entirely different method... I'll try that... thanks |
| 11:02.19 | Kerr | bintut: i have to go to work, if need be use http://www.subnet-calculator.com/subnet.php?net_class=B |
| 11:02.32 | bintut | Kerr: well, we're just planning that for every subnet, one department.. |
| 11:02.48 | Kerr | bintut: how many departments do you have? |
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| 11:02.56 | bintut | 10 ++ |
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| 11:03.30 | bintut | Kerr: but, 5-30 workstations only per department |
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| 11:03.42 | Kerr | :/ |
| 11:03.57 | Kerr | you're really overcomplicating your network there |
| 11:04.08 | bintut | Kerr: but, in order to make it more manageable for us and easily identify the ip address, we used class b.. |
| 11:04.24 | bintut | Kerr: doesn't make sense for you? |
| 11:04.30 | Kerr | bintut: why not give each department it's own class c? |
| 11:05.09 | bintut | Kerr: we don't want to route |
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| 11:05.19 | bintut | Kerr: we only have one flat network |
| 11:05.52 | Kerr | 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.254.0 = all usable class c's. |
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| 11:06.33 | Kerr | you don't want to route? |
| 11:06.47 | Kerr | i dunno what you meanby that :/ |
| 11:07.34 | bintut | Kerr: we want to use the 172.16 network ip address |
| 11:07.44 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 11:07.44 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:08.06 | franki | does anyone know if syslog can log into different files instead of one file, especially those from remote hosts? |
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| 11:09.22 | bintut | Kerr: because, we're using the 192.168.x.x network to our branches |
| 11:09.36 | bintut | Kerr: we have more than 254 hosts inside our office |
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| 11:09.57 | Reeslo | hi/bonjour |
| 11:10.10 | cydork | tarzeau: huh? wht happened to popcon? :) |
| 11:10.34 | tarzeau | cydork: it almost reached 20000, i'll not popcon anymore |
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| 11:11.02 | Kerr | bintut: http://paste.debian.net/17070 |
| 11:11.10 | Malagmyr | !tell me about popcon |
| 11:11.34 | cydork | !tell Malagmyr -about msg the bot |
| 11:11.40 | Kerr | bintut: personqally i'd use that, you don't seem to fully understand subnetting, so it's best to go with entire octets for each of your networks |
| 11:11.44 | Kerr | -q |
| 11:11.53 | Malagmyr | yeah, yeah |
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| 11:12.03 | cydork | tarzeau: woot |
| 11:12.08 | bintut | Kerr: i won't be routing here? |
| 11:12.29 | Kerr | bintut: hm? i thought this was a dhcp server? |
| 11:12.33 | Kerr | bintut: it should be fine. |
| 11:12.52 | Kerr | bintut: ask others in here about my exmple if you like >.> |
| 11:12.53 | bintut | Kerr: meaning.. a host that comes from 192.168.1.10 can access directly to a host from 192.168.2.10? |
| 11:13.00 | bintut | Kerr: yes, this is a dhcp3 server |
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| 11:13.34 | Kerr | bintut: If you have your interfaces configured right, why not? |
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| 11:13.49 | Kerr | bintut: you -have- to route between subnets. |
| 11:14.02 | bintut | Kerr: and that we don't want to route |
| 11:14.13 | ThomasPorter | How can i see if my server has been offline at some point today? Someone tells me it was off for afew hours, although I don't belive them.. as I was using it between those hours. |
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| 11:14.39 | Kerr | bintut: why the phobia :/ if you don't route you can't have subnets. |
| 11:14.43 | cydork | ThomasPorter: uptime |
| 11:15.09 | bintut | Kerr: we have 200+ branches and they're using 192.168.x.x network and we and they can access each other.. |
| 11:15.31 | bintut | Kerr: another reason why we want to use the 172.16 network |
| 11:15.37 | bintut | Kerr: for the main office |
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| 11:15.45 | ThomasPorter | cydork: :o can't belive I didn't think of that. What if the server was online, but the network dropped out? |
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| 11:16.08 | cydork | ThomasPorter: hahaha, well you were vague the first time :) |
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| 11:16.22 | ThomasPorter | cydork: Sorry ;) |
| 11:16.39 | Coke | Hello. I have a major problem with my network cards. One is named eth0 and the other eth1_temp. How do I permanently bind a specific hardware to a specific device name? |
| 11:16.40 | E-bola | anybody know how to convert a pdf to a word document? |
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| 11:17.22 | brammator | how to get older version of sources? i have 3rd-party patch for ppp, but it works with 2.4.3 and i get only 2.4.4 from etch. |
| 11:17.42 | Kerr | bintut: then use http://paste.debian.net/17071 but it doesn't really matter, since you're talking about a -private- network:/ |
| 11:17.53 | cydork | E-bola: you can use /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules i guess |
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| 11:18.50 | E-bola | cydork: mmmh? |
| 11:19.05 | Kerr | bintut: that's 172.16.1.0, 172.16.2.0, etc as your subnets |
| 11:19.05 | cydork | bahh |
| 11:19.08 | Kerr | i really gotta go |
| 11:19.14 | cydork | Coke: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 11:19.19 | cydork | E-bola: sorry :P |
| 11:20.03 | cydork | E-bola: check wv! |
| 11:20.10 | E-bola | whats wv? |
| 11:20.14 | cydork | !info wv |
| 11:20.24 | dpkg | wv: (Programs for accessing Microsoft Word documents), section text, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 2120 kB |
| 11:20.42 | ThomasPorter | I'm going to put on my resume that I design and maintain google. |
| 11:20.45 | cydork | hmm i doubt that can do that.. |
| 11:21.15 | E-bola | i doubt it too |
| 11:21.15 | ThomasPorter | I have my own custom-made google homepage :P That counts right? |
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| 11:21.40 | wdp | how can i see with, what configure options, a debian package was compiled? |
| 11:21.57 | ThomasPorter | How can I see what has resently been plugged into my box? |
| 11:22.14 | Kerr | bintut: you should ask your boss to get you on a networking course such as ccna; he's having you make design decisions you don't know much about :/ |
| 11:22.22 | petemc | ThomasPorter: dmesg , /var/log/messages |
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| 11:22.55 | ThomasPorter | petemc: Awesome thanks, how can I see what time these things happened? |
| 11:23.02 | bintut | Kerr: but, isn't it i will still be routing here? |
| 11:23.11 | Kerr | bintut: ie: having everything in one subnetwork (no routing), with 100 macheines in 10 departments is what? 1,000 sharing what is probably only fast ethernet (100mb) :/ one big nasty broadcast storm of unusableness. |
| 11:23.21 | petemc | ThomasPorter: messages has a time stamp, dmesg - you cant |
| 11:23.25 | wdp | no one? |
| 11:23.51 | ThomasPorter | petemc: thankies ;) |
| 11:23.56 | Kerr | bintut: private networks are only routed internally unless you have them go through network address translation. |
| 11:24.02 | Kerr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network |
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| 11:24.33 | Kerr | bintut: you're asking for no routing without fully comprehending what you're asking for :/ |
| 11:24.41 | bintut | Kerr: routing between internal networks.. we also consider the networks from our branches internally |
| 11:24.50 | lunitik | I guess the issue is just that IceWeasel is broken... because Epiphany will work also :/ |
| 11:25.20 | bintut | Kerr: broadcasting to a class b network is very huge and we know that.. |
| 11:26.06 | petemc | wdp: you can apt-get source package |
| 11:26.24 | ThomasPorter | "Thu Nov 23 08:31:11 EST 2006" - Thats what time my server thinks it is... its the 22nd for a start.. is this correct? Is it in american or something? |
| 11:26.27 | wdp | petemc, there i see the configure options, used by the packetmanager? |
| 11:26.28 | Kerr | bintut: you're safe from your office network being routed out, as you won't have any of your office network on the same subnet as your branch router? |
| 11:26.30 | Kerr | afk |
| 11:26.30 | petemc | wdp: there should be a dir in pwd , package/debian/ |
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| 11:28.17 | bintut | Kerr: as i've said, we have 200+ branches and they're using 192.16.x.x network.. if we'll use a 192.16.x.x network inside the main office, we will have a conflict of ip addresses |
| 11:29.44 | wdp | petemc, in which file there? |
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| 11:30.15 | cydork | wdp: rules |
| 11:30.21 | ThomasPorter | Is this us time: Thu Nov 23 08:31:11 EST 2006 |
| 11:30.39 | wdp | cydork, ty. |
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| 11:31.39 | petemc | ThomasPorter: you're 26 hours ahead i think |
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| 11:32.12 | petemc | Wed Nov 22 11:32:05 GMT 2006 |
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| 11:34.38 | sts | hello folks. i get the following error when i run 'apt-get update': W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1. Does anybody know how i can get rid of this? |
| 11:35.06 | petemc | !apt-key A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:35.06 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 11:35.32 | khaleel | I think firefox 1.5.07 of etch needs some tweaking or stuff to...... I open it and it opens , even after its opened its like loading some firefox stuff in background !......or may be I need 2 tweak it :D |
| 11:35.39 | sts | thanks petemc, dpkg ;-) |
| 11:35.39 | dpkg | sts: my pleasure |
| 11:36.07 | cast | hmmm. anyone have any guesses as to when etch is going to be out? i'm finding etch too frustrating, and might move my desktop back to sarge |
| 11:36.15 | cydork | !wwer |
| 11:36.15 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 11:36.28 | tarzeau | cast: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 11:36.35 | cast | so the answer is "nfi" :| |
| 11:36.37 | tarzeau | cast: when the red line is over the blue line |
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| 11:36.59 | tarzeau | cast: decmeber 2006 |
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| 11:37.41 | sts | MikeSeth: er ... sorry, but it doesn't say which public key... |
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| 11:38.01 | cydork | sts: can you read?? |
| 11:38.13 | Kerr | bintut: http://paste.debian.net/17071 |
| 11:38.49 | cast | hm, week ~50 |
| 11:39.23 | khaleel | hmmmmm around christmas that means... |
| 11:39.54 | bintut | Kerr: hhmmm.. |
| 11:40.36 | bintut | Kerr: next problem is on the cables and switches.. |
| 11:40.57 | bintut | Kerr: is it ok to use one switch for 2 or more sub nets? |
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| 11:42.05 | khaleel | I am connected to internet via settings from pppconfig.........is there a way I can see bytes in and out? |
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| 11:44.44 | Kerr | bintut: you'll need a router, but i gotta go to work |
| 11:46.12 | cast | right. ill stick with etch then, and just try to fix this locale issue |
| 11:46.39 | yang | Demo of "one laptop per child" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqjpVfn1l2k&mode=related&search= |
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| 11:47.06 | Kerr | bintut: subnetworking = routing, i don't know how else to explain it |
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| 11:48.50 | Coke | Still having massive problems with network devices. Changing "/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules" just made Debian angry and all ethernet devices stopped working, even though they did show up in ifconfig with the correct hw/dev name. The only way to get the ethernet interfaces to work is to let Debian setup it's default names where my LAN card becames eth0 (in direct contradiction to what is specified in rules.d) and my WAN card becomes e |
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| 11:50.37 | Coke | My z25_persistant-net says "SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVER=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:14:85:35:f3:11", NAME="eth0"", yet eth0 has hw address "00:30:BD:BB:5C:89". If this file works anything like logic would suggest, this is a _serious_ bug. |
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| 11:51.46 | danielo | <danielo> lo |
| 11:51.46 | danielo | <danielo> i have a problem with fglrx drivers |
| 11:51.47 | danielo | <danielo> i installed them but fglrxinfo still tells me sth about mesa |
| 11:51.56 | cydork | Coke: huh? |
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| 11:52.49 | bintut | Kerr: i understand what you're explaining.. |
| 11:53.06 | bintut | Kerr: it's just that, our network is complicated |
| 11:53.18 | danielo | (using etch, if anyone cares...) |
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| 11:54.13 | Coke | cydork: exactly what I wrote. |
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| 11:54.31 | Coke | cydork: if I try to change the rules, both cards stop working (i.e, no net communication) |
| 11:54.54 | Coke | cydork: it seems that Debian _INSISTS_ that my WAN card must be named eth1_temp and that my LAN card must be eth0 |
| 11:54.56 | cydork | Coke: what did you change?? |
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| 11:55.30 | Coke | cydork: I added a line for my secondary (LAN) card. |
| 11:55.42 | Coke | cydork: so, actualy, the primary card, eth0, was always defined, just that Debian ignored it. |
| 11:55.51 | Coke | SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVER=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:14:85:35:f3:11", NAME="eth0" |
| 11:56.03 | Coke | that is what the file says about eth0, yet the card named eth0 is not that one. |
| 11:56.04 | cydork | Coke: just use ifrename |
| 11:56.05 | Douglish | hi |
| 11:56.15 | Coke | eth0 is 00:30:BD:BB:5C:89 |
| 11:56.24 | Coke | cydork: I don't want to do that every time I boot the computer. |
| 11:57.19 | cydork | Coke: paste the file in a pastebin |
| 11:58.38 | Coke | cydork: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2601 |
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| 11:59.13 | Douglish | My friend has problem .. he installed debian and it worked .. now he booted it and it stucked when coming from rcS to rcN .. |
| 11:59.16 | Coke | cydork: this is what I get http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2602 |
| 11:59.20 | Douglish | where should be the problem? |
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| 11:59.27 | Coke | See, the network devices are NOTHING like I specify in z25. |
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| 12:01.16 | Coke | For some reason it makes my lan card eth0, my firewire eth1 and my my wan card eth1_temp. |
| 12:01.32 | Coke | That's not logical, it's not usable, it's insane. I don't know what prompted Debian to behave like this either. |
| 12:02.36 | brammator | how to make .rel directory from .orig.tar.gz+.diff.gz+.dsc files? |
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| 12:02.58 | Coke | And I'm tired of renaming the interfaces manually each time I boot. And the boot takes forever since all the network daemons have insane timeouts. |
| 12:03.14 | Tolstoy|away | what happen if one disk in volgroup (LVM) was failed |
| 12:03.17 | k_osh | syncing disks takes FOREVER..... *sigh* |
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| 12:04.30 | blondie | TolstoyInLove: do you mind? |
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| 12:05.08 | TolstoyInLove | blondie, i want run ftp with multiple disk |
| 12:05.14 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: what do you mean? I'm fiddeling with raid/lvm right now. |
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| 12:05.27 | blondie | TolstoyInLove: I was referring to your lame message |
| 12:05.31 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: what's the problem. |
| 12:05.34 | blondie | 12:03:46 * TolstoyInLove is back (gone 01:32:21) |
| 12:05.45 | Coke | cydork: any clues? |
| 12:05.50 | blondie | imagine if all 710 people in here did that.... |
| 12:06.29 | TolstoyInLove | blondie, if the one disk fail, other disk work ok or all of them fail |
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| 12:06.42 | cydork | Coke: hmm that's strange.. |
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| 12:06.47 | Coke | cydork: indeed. |
| 12:06.49 | danielo | i can't get the fglrx driver working in etch |
| 12:06.52 | TolstoyInLove | ? |
| 12:06.59 | Coke | cydork: do you think I should file a bug report? |
| 12:07.00 | danielo | fglrxinfo always says mesa-stuff |
| 12:07.04 | TolstoyInLove | blondie, sorry for my english :( |
| 12:07.10 | cydork | Coke: what happens if you try with ifrename? |
| 12:07.12 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: with just lvm or with raid in there aswell? what kind of raid then? 0, 1, 5? |
| 12:07.21 | blondie | bless |
| 12:07.24 | Coke | cydork: Error: Can't open configuration file `/etc/iftab': No such file or directory |
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| 12:07.41 | floundering | hi, kill (as root -1 -2 -3 ....-25) is not working on some processes, how do I get rid of these locked programs without rebooting? |
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| 12:08.19 | Coke | floundering: eehh. are you trying random signals? |
| 12:08.20 | TolstoyInLove | blondie, im not decide to work with lvm or lvm on raid |
| 12:08.24 | Coke | floundering: try TERM and KILL. |
| 12:08.30 | blondie | use raid |
| 12:09.03 | TolstoyInLove | blondie, what your suggestion? im not need too parityor performance on big volume is my need |
| 12:09.28 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: use both. =) I do it. Works like a charm. LVM2 on a RAID1. I just failed one disk and now it's syncing up. When that's done I'll fail the other one... =) |
| 12:10.47 | floundering | Coke: KILL or 9 did not work so I started at 1 and tried them all, to no effect :( |
| 12:11.03 | k_osh | floundering: zombie processes? |
| 12:11.05 | Coke | floundering: that's stupid. |
| 12:11.17 | TolstoyInLove | k_osh, if one disk fail , other date on other disk doas work correctly? |
| 12:11.18 | Coke | floundering: don't do random things, this is Debian, not Windows. |
| 12:11.22 | cydork | floundering: state ? |
| 12:12.07 | Coke | floundering: however, KILL is not a signal to the process alone, it tells the kernel to purge the process if possible. if that doesn't work they are zombies. |
| 12:12.09 | TolstoyInLove | k_osh, can i easily add a disk? |
| 12:12.19 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: On RAID1 and RAID5 yes. But you pay for it with redundant data. meaning you waste space to have it like that. |
| 12:12.29 | khaleel | I am online via modem , used pppconfig ...how do i see the bytes that are sent IN and OUT |
| 12:12.40 | Coke | floundering: check in a pstree if those "undead" processes have any parents, then kill the parents. |
| 12:12.43 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: With LVM that shouldn't be a problem no. |
| 12:13.00 | Coke | floundering: (or ps -f and check PPID column) |
| 12:13.32 | Coke | cydork: will ifrename make permanent changes? |
| 12:13.53 | cydork | Coke: ya.. |
| 12:13.57 | TolstoyInLove | k_osh, blondie thanks alot for your help |
| 12:14.02 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: with raid0 you get a very big volume but if just one of the disks break, all data is gone. (more or less) |
| 12:14.25 | Coke | cydork: well, it doesn't work. it doesn't rename my eth1 to fw0 |
| 12:15.11 | Coke | cydork: no error messages, nothing. absolutely _nothing_. |
| 12:15.11 | k_osh | TolstoyInLove: good luck. |
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| 12:15.47 | floundering | Coke: thanks, killing the ppid did the trick :) |
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| 12:16.30 | Coke | floundering: now, don't do random things in the future, there's always a reasonable explanation and solution for everything that happens in Debian. |
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| 12:16.45 | Coke | floundering: chances are that doing random things will further complicate the issue. |
| 12:17.10 | Coke | floundering: you're welcome back here if you get stuck again. |
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| 12:18.50 | cydork | Coke: sorry m back |
| 12:19.23 | floundering | Coke: Thanks :) |
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| 12:20.10 | KomiaPoika | how can i ad routing to different range on a local network ? |
| 12:20.19 | KomiaPoika | add |
| 12:20.24 | cydork | Coke: no error msg? |
| 12:20.28 | Coke | cydork: nope. |
| 12:20.33 | Coke | cydork: nada. |
| 12:21.41 | cydork | Coke: /etc/iftab is correct? |
| 12:21.43 | Coke | cydork: I'm going to try rewriting the udev rules completely for the network. |
| 12:21.47 | Coke | cydork: it's empty |
| 12:21.59 | MikeSeth | KomiaPoika: with ``ip route add'' or ``route add'' |
| 12:22.20 | dorel_1 | hey cydork, do you remember how to enable scrollback on the screen application? |
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| 12:22.44 | cydork | Coke: it cant be empty, add the mac entries.. man 5 iftab |
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| 12:24.08 | cydork | dorel_1: hiya |
| 12:25.03 | Coke | cydork: wouldn't it be better to get udev working? |
| 12:25.07 | KomiaPoika | MikeSeth: but how do i make the route permanent? |
| 12:25.18 | Coke | cydork: I'm going to disconnect for a while and try to get udev working. if not I guess /etc/iftab will have to do. |
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| 12:26.23 | cydork | dorel_1: cant remmeber :P |
| 12:26.51 | MikeSeth | KomiaPoika: use the interface start-stop scripts or the interfaces file if appropriate |
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| 12:28.26 | k-man | in lynx, how can you save an image from a link url? |
| 12:28.56 | enouf | k-man: links2 -g ? |
| 12:29.25 | petemc | -dump |
| 12:29.49 | franki | does anyone know if syslog can log into different files instead of one file, especially those from remote hosts? |
| 12:29.52 | KomiaPoika | MikeSeth: can i add lines such as $IP route add ... in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:29.53 | cast | he wants something like save target as |
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| 12:30.09 | cast | i use w3m instead of lynx, so not sure :) |
| 12:30.17 | MikeSeth | KomiaPoika: no, the format only allows you to specify a gateway. If you want custom routes, use the start scripts |
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| 12:30.35 | MikeSeth | KomiaPoika: see /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 12:31.02 | stew | KomiaPoika: add them as "up" lines (man interfaces) |
| 12:31.05 | k-man | enouf thanks |
| 12:31.08 | MikeSeth | ThomasPorter: you should try elinks |
| 12:31.12 | enouf | k-man: iow ,, try right clicking it .. download link .. image |
| 12:31.19 | enouf | ok |
| 12:31.23 | k-man | in lynx? |
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| 12:31.47 | enouf | k-man: no .. in links2 and links2 -d |
| 12:31.52 | Daviey | Hi, has anybody got a USB DVD-RW drive to work? |
| 12:31.52 | enouf | -g even |
| 12:31.55 | k-man | oh |
| 12:31.56 | k-man | thanks |
| 12:32.11 | enouf | no prob |
| 12:32.37 | enouf | k-man: I'm an idiot .. I misread your initial question .. dohg |
| 12:32.58 | k-man | enouf, oh |
| 12:32.59 | k-man | thats ok |
| 12:33.07 | k-man | i do that all the time |
| 12:33.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 12:33.33 | stew | Daviey: lots of people, ask a more specific question |
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| 12:34.09 | Daviey | Okay, has anybody got a external usb dvd-rw drive to be recognised? |
| 12:34.17 | stew | Daviey: lots of people |
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| 12:35.02 | stew | Daviey: "I have tried doing X, Y, and Z, and I expected to see ___, but I'm not seeing it..." |
| 12:35.04 | Daviey | stew, ie, i'm about to buy one - but cannot find much info on supported ones. Are they recognised the same as IDE/SATA with the 2.6 kernal |
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| 12:35.56 | stew | Daviey: they are recognized as scsi drives and are supported by the "sr_mod" module (the scsi cdrom module) if you have the usb-storage module loaded |
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| 12:36.20 | Daviey | stew, ahhh; so any one i buy *should* be supported? |
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| 12:36.47 | stew | yes, any ATA cdrom should be supported |
| 12:37.09 | Daviey | thanks |
| 12:37.16 | stew | err s#cdrom#cdrom/dvd-r/dvd-rw/whatever# |
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| 12:37.30 | he1ix | hi. is there a way to automatically fetch the new archive pubkeys? i feel somewhat stupid always having to ask the channel-bot... |
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| 12:38.35 | stew | he1ix: when you run apt-get update, it should tell you "the key ___________" is missing. you can run "gpg --recv-keys __________" and check the signatures on the key |
| 12:39.20 | he1ix | stew: thats what i though of. but the recv-keys didn't work... |
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| 12:40.16 | stew | he1ix: what command did you use, and what was the error? |
| 12:41.51 | he1ix | stew: well actually that's really strange. apt-get update complains about the missing key A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 12:42.06 | he1ix | and "gpg --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1" work *today* |
| 12:42.39 | stew | he1ix: its possible that it hadn't yet propagated to all of the keyservers |
| 12:43.20 | he1ix | stew: hum, ok. might be. yesterday i had no luck using the same command. definitely the same, since i just checked the shell-history... |
| 12:43.48 | he1ix | stew: well, now it works as i expected it :) thx |
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| 12:44.54 | he1ix | stew: btw. the key isn't available via keyring.debian.org |
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| 12:48.28 | dorel_1 | stew: how would it be possible to avoid the arp problem when using lvs/dr? i was thinking of giving the real servers and the load balancer nodes different ip but i think it won't be enough, they'd have to be put both behind a router, right? |
| 12:50.01 | MikeSeth | dpkg, no public key |
| 12:50.01 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 12:50.04 | ringo999 | does anyone know how to use kbd rules under xf86? i have to customize my layout as im using debian under paralells with a german keyboard.... |
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| 12:50.26 | earthian | hello |
| 12:50.38 | earthian | how do i create a catchall mailbox in my server on my domain? |
| 12:50.58 | Ronin | guess that would depend on the mta? |
| 12:51.02 | petemc | depends on the mta |
| 12:51.06 | earthian | i use postfix |
| 12:51.28 | jatt | Get:5 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main debian-archive-keyring 2006.11.22 [6768B] |
| 12:51.28 | jatt | will I have key problems again after this update? |
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| 12:52.09 | ringo999 | #macosx |
| 12:52.09 | Ronin | close ringo999 |
| 12:52.09 | jatt | just tested, everything is fine |
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| 12:53.02 | CompWizrd | earthian: you can do a always_bcc = someaddress in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 12:53.12 | tarzeau | ringo999: on a mac mini? |
| 12:53.21 | CompWizrd | be warned though if you're using mbox, a lot of things don't work too well when you hit over 2 gb on the mailbox |
| 12:53.24 | ringo999 | tarzeau: nope, macbook |
| 12:53.30 | ustaadmin | how can i restrict access in KDM to a specific group? |
| 12:53.32 | petemc | CompWizrd: i dont use postfix, but always_bcc doesnt sound like a catch all? |
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| 12:53.52 | CompWizrd | petemc: it'll send everything in and out that goes through postfix to that address |
| 12:54.01 | CompWizrd | oh wait, i see what he's looking for |
| 12:54.04 | ringo999 | ok, maybe another way, how could i change the resolution used by the shell? then i woulnt need x.... |
| 12:54.09 | sep | earthian, a local doamins : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#luser_relay virtual domains : http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#in_virtual_other |
| 12:54.14 | petemc | CompWizrd: i know what bcc is.. |
| 12:54.18 | tarzeau | ringo999: fbset ? |
| 12:54.30 | sep | earthian, and personalyi think it's a bad idea anyway :) |
| 12:54.38 | earthian | thanks sep |
| 12:54.54 | CompWizrd | petemc: figured he wanted to catch everything sent through the postfix daemon, not a *@domain.com goes to one account, my mistake |
| 12:55.06 | ringo999 | tarzeau: what is fbset, i dont seem to have that command available? |
| 12:55.42 | tarzeau | ringo999: are you root? |
| 12:55.50 | ringo999 | tarzeau: yeah |
| 12:55.59 | tarzeau | ringo999: install it: fbset - framebuffer device maintenance program |
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| 12:57.22 | ringo999 | tarzeau: thx, im reading the man to it |
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| 12:59.16 | [EaK]Rasiel | What package in etch does contain the php5 shell client ?? |
| 12:59.25 | [EaK]Rasiel | i installed nearly all php5 packages, and the binary is still missing |
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| 12:59.43 | kdid | afternoon |
| 13:00.00 | kdid | if im using a netinstall cd of debian 3.1 (some months old), is there any need to download the 3.1r4 or doesnt it matter sience i use netinstall? |
| 13:00.38 | Ronin | ahh earthian trying to drop spam etc bogus emails? |
| 13:00.53 | gimmulf_ | In what package are dig/nslookup ? |
| 13:00.54 | earthian | no |
| 13:00.57 | ringo999 | how can i figure out which frame buffer im currently using? |
| 13:01.36 | [EaK]Rasiel | What package in etch does contain the php5 shell client ?? |
| 13:02.03 | sirka | hello all, could somebody be so kind and help me with nvidia driver problem, i've performed an upgrade which removed nvidia-glx module, but there's no installation candidate of this module at the moment, i've tried several ways of installation, but with no succes, my apt sources are good .... i use etch on amd64 |
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| 13:02.22 | sep | [EaK]Rasiel, php5-cli if any |
| 13:02.31 | [EaK]Rasiel | already installed |
| 13:02.35 | gimmulf_ | In what package are dig/nslookup ? |
| 13:02.48 | gimmulf_ | thought it was net-tools |
| 13:03.07 | sep | gimmulf_, dnsutils |
| 13:03.19 | gimmulf_ | thanks |
| 13:04.12 | sep | [EaK]Rasiel, and you dont have /usr/bin/php5 ? |
| 13:04.24 | [EaK]Rasiel | ooh |
| 13:04.25 | [EaK]Rasiel | lol |
| 13:04.28 | [EaK]Rasiel | just found that |
| 13:04.37 | [EaK]Rasiel | it misses the php link i guess |
| 13:04.57 | [EaK]Rasiel | the pear package at least expects /usr/bin/php |
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| 13:06.36 | ringo999 | tarzeau: how do i know which framebuffer node im currently using? fbset gives me "open /dev/fb0 : no such device" |
| 13:06.47 | tarzeau | ringo999: oh, it doesn't work |
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| 13:06.59 | tarzeau | ringo999: it's an x86 computer? |
| 13:07.03 | tarzeau | it might be textmode too |
| 13:07.07 | tarzeau | i've made a tool to find out |
| 13:07.18 | ringo999 | tarzeau: it is x86, yeah, a macbook |
| 13:07.28 | tarzeau | ringo999: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/ |
| 13:07.33 | ringo999 | tarzeau: but under parallels |
| 13:07.38 | tarzeau | ringo999: if it's textmode, you'll want to try svgatextmode |
| 13:07.38 | ringo999 | tarzeau: ok |
| 13:07.58 | tarzeau | it doesn't matter, even in vmware/parallels/bootcamp etc it can be real textmode |
| 13:08.17 | tarzeau | ringo999: the vgamode.c output is important |
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| 13:08.52 | ringo999 | tarzeau: ehhmm. how exactly do i use your tool? |
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| 13:09.11 | tarzeau | ringo999: build it, run it as root |
| 13:09.39 | ringo999 | tarzeau: but i need all files in that directory? |
| 13:09.41 | tarzeau | ringo999: gcc -o vgamode vgamode.c |
| 13:09.46 | tarzeau | ringo999: no just the vgamode.c one |
| 13:09.53 | ringo999 | ah ok |
| 13:09.58 | sirka | has somebody any clue about that nvidia-glx problem pls? |
| 13:10.10 | tarzeau | sirka: works fine here, not using nvidia-glx package |
| 13:10.50 | sirka | tarzeau> and what driver do you use? |
| 13:11.11 | sirka | tarzeau> nvidia or debian package? |
| 13:11.45 | sep | sirka, im using nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-2 from sid on etch, work fine for me. |
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| 13:13.03 | sep | sirka, and the problem consists of your box's admins usererror, where he upgrades and removes packages without checking buglists first if you want to wait for nvidia-glx to enter etch you can follow the actio nhere http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
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| 13:13.31 | sirka | would you be so kind and pm me the line from apt sources pls? |
| 13:13.38 | sirka | ok, i'll check it |
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| 13:13.42 | sirka | thanks |
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| 13:14.09 | ringo999 | tarzeau: i compiled it, how to run it? |
| 13:14.28 | ringo999 | ah |
| 13:14.43 | ringo999 | tarzeau: graphics mode: 0 |
| 13:14.50 | ringo999 | what do you make out of that? |
| 13:17.20 | tarzeau | ringo999: it's text mode |
| 13:17.30 | tarzeau | ringo999: you want to try svgatextmode (another debian package) |
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| 13:17.50 | tarzeau | sirka: i use the nvidia binary driver, so i can play brutalchess |
| 13:18.05 | tarzeau | sirka: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver how i install it |
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| 13:19.29 | ringo999 | tarzeau: do you know how to use svgatextmode in my case, its got a looooong man... |
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| 13:20.02 | tarzeau | ringo999: depends on the videocard, can you apt-get install ree, and run ree as root? or show me your lspci | grep VGA line? |
| 13:21.03 | ringo999 | tarzeau: VGA compataible unknown device ;-) |
| 13:21.06 | ringo999 | its parallels |
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| 13:21.42 | PlasmaHH | hi, anyone knows whats the sense of splitting of boost serialization stuff into own packages? |
| 13:21.51 | tarzeau | ringo999: run update-pciids |
| 13:21.56 | tarzeau | ringo999: then lspci again |
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| 13:22.06 | tarzeau | ringo999: can you run ree, and send me the *.rom files it generates? |
| 13:22.11 | tarzeau | must run ree as root |
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| 13:22.52 | itchi | tarzeau: Is ree made be you? |
| 13:23.04 | tarzeau | itchi: yes |
| 13:23.10 | ringo999 | tarzeau: still it says VGA compatible, but unknown device... |
| 13:23.14 | ringo999 | ill install ree |
| 13:23.15 | itchi | tarzeau: Gurkan? |
| 13:23.19 | tarzeau | ringo999: ok, you could submit it to the pci database |
| 13:23.22 | itchi | tarzeau: hehe |
| 13:23.24 | tarzeau | itchi: Gürkan, yes |
| 13:23.44 | opqdonut | lastlog tissit |
| 13:24.02 | ringo999 | tarzeau: ehm, the package is called "ree"? |
| 13:24.09 | tarzeau | ringo999: yes |
| 13:24.30 | ringo999 | tarzeau: apt-get install ree wont find it |
| 13:24.36 | tarzeau | ringo999: you run sarge? |
| 13:24.45 | ringo999 | yes |
| 13:24.52 | tarzeau | ringo999: hehe, it's not in sarge |
| 13:25.11 | ringo999 | i do i see what it is again to make sure? |
| 13:25.14 | tarzeau | ringo999: but you can use http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/r/ree/ |
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| 13:25.21 | itchi | tarzeau: Man, you did many things for Debian it's looks ;-) |
| 13:27.23 | tarzeau | ringo999: well packages.debian.org/ree shows you only available after testing |
| 13:27.23 | tarzeau | itchi: packages? it's just packages, what really is great is http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 13:27.23 | kspath | abrotmoo |
| 13:27.23 | ringo999 | tarzeau: what was the command to find out what debian version im running? |
| 13:27.23 | tarzeau | ringo999: cat /etc/*ersion |
| 13:27.24 | itchi | tarzeau: ... in general, faq, docs and soo, now i package ;-) |
| 13:27.24 | ringo999 | tarzeau: 3.1 |
| 13:27.24 | tarzeau | ringo999: that's stable, sarge |
| 13:27.24 | ringo999 | tarzeau: i need testing? |
| 13:27.24 | tarzeau | ringo999: but you can use the backport, it's really just a simple program |
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| 13:27.25 | ringo999 | ok |
| 13:27.25 | tarzeau | ringo999: no, get this http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/r/ree/ree_1.3-0bpo1_i386.deb |
| 13:27.25 | tarzeau | ringo999: then dpkg -i ree*.deb, then run ree |
| 13:27.25 | ringo999 | how do i download from the command line again? curl ..? |
| 13:27.25 | tarzeau | curl or wget |
| 13:27.25 | itchi | tarzeau: I gona download it, is that also made be you? |
| 13:27.26 | ringo999 | tarzeau: yep |
| 13:27.28 | stew | dorel__: i'm afraid that it's been too long since i've done that stuff for me to be helpful here |
| 13:27.32 | tarzeau | itchi: the live cd? yes |
| 13:27.51 | itchi | tarzeau: Crazy guy :-p |
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| 13:32.45 | RvGaTe | i have a problem regarding my date setting on debian |
| 13:33.01 | RvGaTe | Whenever i do ntpdate europe.pool.ntp.org |
| 13:33.03 | RvGaTe | , it does adjust the time, but it is still wrong |
| 13:33.04 | itchi | ringo999: Is that an message? |
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| 13:33.29 | RvGaTe | setting it on 08.32.51, instead of 14.32.51... i would guess my system is set on different timezone |
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| 13:33.56 | ringo999 | tarzeau: ok ree is installed...now what? |
| 13:33.57 | amphi | RvGaTe: is your hw clock set to utc and your tz correct? |
| 13:34.06 | tarzeau | ringo999: run ree |
| 13:34.21 | RvGaTe | amphi, no idea really what my hw clock looks like atm |
| 13:34.35 | ringo999 | tarzeau: yeah, got the this rom file |
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| 13:35.12 | RvGaTe | amphi, but my /etc/timezone is set on europe/amsterdam |
| 13:35.41 | ringo999 | tarzeau: now? |
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| 13:36.18 | tarzeau | ringo999: can you put it online? |
| 13:36.26 | tarzeau | ringo999: just one rom file? |
| 13:37.13 | amphi | RvGaTe: if you set the date and time correctly with date, and run ntpdate, it gets set wrong again? |
| 13:37.24 | RvGaTe | amphi, let me try |
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| 13:37.46 | ringo999 | tarzeau: yeah, ill put it up in a sec |
| 13:37.57 | tarzeau | k, 150 more bugs and we're at #400000 |
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| 13:39.23 | RvGaTe | amphi, yup, goes straight back |
| 13:39.42 | amphi | RvGaTe: what does /etc/localtime point to? |
| 13:39.47 | ringo999 | is there a site to temporarly uplaod files? |
| 13:40.06 | tarzeau | ringo999: your own? |
| 13:40.13 | tarzeau | ringo999: apt-get install thttpd, then put the files to /var/www |
| 13:40.22 | tarzeau | ringo999: then paste your ip |
| 13:40.46 | RvGaTe | amphi, /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern doesn't look right here :) |
| 13:40.52 | ringo999 | tarzeau: or i could just send it to you via irc? |
| 13:41.00 | dorel__ | stew: im playing with it and it's only giving me headache :) |
| 13:41.09 | tarzeau | ringo999: no |
| 13:41.29 | ringo999 | ok ill find a way... |
| 13:42.45 | amphi | RvGaTe: ah ;) |
| 13:42.54 | PinBalWiz | . |
| 13:43.01 | amphi | RvGaTe: tzconfig or make the symlink yourself |
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| 13:43.45 | amphi | RvGaTe: eg. ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime |
| 13:43.52 | RvGaTe | amphi, i replaced it with with that, yup |
| 13:44.32 | RvGaTe | amphi, seems to adjust the time correctly now, thx allot |
| 13:45.15 | amphi | RvGaTe: you're welcome |
| 13:46.39 | amphi | RvGaTe: I'm not sure what /etc/timezone is for, or what sets it (tzconfig?) BTW |
| 13:47.17 | RvGaTe | amphi, whoever did it, its not doing it again :P |
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| 13:50.46 | kouyujie | Does any one can help me about bluetooth keyboard on debian? |
| 13:51.58 | KomiaPoika | how can i set up nat without using iptables |
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| 13:54.13 | kouyujie | hello~~ |
| 13:54.24 | kouyujie | any body there? |
| 13:55.01 | SpeedyG | KomiaPoika: try #iptables ;) |
| 13:55.15 | SpeedyG | kouyujie: i've got no clue, but perhaps if you hang around, someone might have an answer |
| 13:55.31 | kouyujie | thanks |
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| 13:56.44 | blondie | perhaps if you asked the question instead of meta-questions |
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| 13:57.18 | E-bola | dumbest question ever: can soembody help me |
| 13:57.47 | Ronin | E-bola: depends on the situation ;) |
| 13:58.10 | enouf | kouyujie: I know nothing about bluetooth .. but you can help yourself using ' apt-cache search -n bluetooth ' then apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 13:58.14 | plutonas | E-bola: dont ask to ask just ask |
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| 13:58.37 | blondie | nah, the dumbest question is: "can I ask you a question?" |
| 13:58.53 | E-bola | ronin: on irc its always a waste of lines/traffic/time |
| 13:58.59 | cr3 | is there a trick to write to an iso9660 file after mounting? I tried mounting with the rw option, but that doesn't work |
| 13:59.04 | blondie | and log file storage space |
| 13:59.04 | adam1 | hi, i'm running testing, after upgrading some kde-packages today, i'm having a whole bunch of kde-related errors - like not being able to start KDE - am I the first one? |
| 13:59.09 | blondie | cr3: you can't |
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| 13:59.43 | blondie | at least not without some extra program |
| 13:59.49 | cr3 | blondie: can you recommend a way to copy over the content of the iso image to a directory and then rebuild the image with the exact same options as originally built? |
| 14:00.00 | blondie | cr3: nope |
| 14:00.20 | kspath | blondie: May I ask to ask you a question today? |
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| 14:01.20 | adamt | .. or maybe it's just incredible slow? hmm |
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| 14:03.01 | blondie | kspath: no you may not |
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| 14:03.38 | tarzeau | poor, mii-tool can't tell if something is gigabit :( |
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| 14:13.19 | Pupeno | is there some way to wrap a 'make install' so it generates some kind of package that can be easily uninstalled ? to keep my system clean. |
| 14:14.22 | cydork | Pupeno: checkinstall or /msg dpkg stow |
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| 14:18.28 | itchi | I have installed gnustep, should i see an item in the session list of gdm? |
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| 14:19.34 | tarzeau | itchi: nope, use wmaker |
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| 14:19.59 | tarzeau | itchi: and then run some gnustep applications, say Terminal, TimeMon, GWorkspace, TextEdit... |
| 14:20.04 | erpo | I need a program that will recurse through a given directory tree and report duplicate files. Any suggestions? |
| 14:20.10 | tarzeau | erpo: fdupes |
| 14:21.20 | erpo | tarzeau: Thanks for the pointer. :) |
| 14:21.28 | itchi | tarzeau: I missing wmaker i guess |
| 14:21.38 | tarzeau | itchi: yes, install it |
| 14:22.59 | itchi | tarzeau: Done, i try it out ;-) iso is downloaded too, but can test it only on antoher computer this evening |
| 14:23.53 | tarzeau | itchi: cool :) i'll be glad to hear something about it |
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| 14:25.12 | itchi | tarzeau: I'm in wmaker :-) |
| 14:25.42 | tarzeau | itchi: neat. do you like it? |
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| 14:26.58 | itchi | tarzeau: To be honnest, i had already try it several time before, but have always find that a bit to strange. But i'm sure there are some things in it that will be usefull, like there are many that use it. Maybe becasue i have never fine tune it to mine needs |
| 14:27.54 | itchi | tarzeau: Usually i use fluxbox or gnome, but mostly fluxbox |
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| 14:28.27 | itchi | tarzeau: wmaker with another theme looks already many better ;-) |
| 14:28.43 | tarzeau | i like the classic nextstep theme of wmaker |
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| 14:30.20 | itchi | tarzeau: Maybe i not have the /extra/ theme packet, i not have that theme actualy here |
| 14:30.27 | ringo999 | tarzeau: hi, i finally got the file up |
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| 14:31.34 | tarzeau | ringo999: where? |
| 14:31.51 | ringo999 | tarzeau: i send you a pm |
| 14:31.59 | ringo999 | with the link |
| 14:32.14 | tarzeau | ringo999: yep got it, it works, funny: Parallels(R) VGA-Compatible BIOS Version 1.05 |
| 14:32.40 | ringo999 | tarzeau: so what to do now? |
| 14:32.43 | itchi | tarzeau: Looks better too after running update-menus Now i have all the stuff in the menu. Yeah, it goes a bit better now with wmaker; man, in lesser than 10 mins, the looks an feel looks al many more how i like it. Yeah, i should need to tryout more of it. Looks good |
| 14:33.01 | KomiaPoika | how can i set up nat without using iptables? |
| 14:33.17 | tarzeau | ringo999: and that's interesting also: VGABios $Id: vgabios.c,v 1.61 2005/05/24 16:50:50 vruppert Exp $ |
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| 14:33.50 | tarzeau | ringo999: it's an adapted lgpl'd vgabios also used by plex86 and bochs |
| 14:33.53 | ringo999 | tarzeau: doesnt mean anything to me.... |
| 14:34.11 | tarzeau | ringo999: http://www.nongnu.org/vgabios/ |
| 14:34.28 | tarzeau | ringo999: never used svgatextmode on one of them... |
| 14:34.32 | tarzeau | ringo999: i'm happy with the 80x25 |
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| 14:35.11 | ringo999 | tarzeau: it sucks to be limited to 640x480 when you got a 1280x800 screen.. |
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| 14:35.25 | tarzeau | ringo999: use bootcamp? |
| 14:35.31 | tarzeau | ringo999: there's no options? |
| 14:35.33 | [Blackheart] | hello, I tried installing the libstdc++ libraries using apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but it complains about missing dependencies, is there a way to make apt install the dependencies aswell? |
| 14:35.44 | tarzeau | ringo999: maybe ask the parallels guys, you bought it after all? |
| 14:35.57 | ringo999 | tarzeau: true, but i like ot have my osx running in parallel |
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| 14:36.20 | ringo999 | tarzeau: true, there have been posts on this issue in the forum |
| 14:36.32 | ringo999 | but i couldnt find a satisfying answer |
| 14:36.36 | tarzeau | ringo999: you could really try to fiddle with SVGATextMode |
| 14:37.22 | ringo999 | well, i got two options: fiddling with svgatextmode or getting the keyboard working properly with x |
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| 14:38.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of an app that can convert bin/cue images to iso? |
| 14:38.43 | stew | [Blackheart]: show us the actual command you typed and the output you got, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 14:38.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or extract/mount them? |
| 14:38.46 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: yes |
| 14:38.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | bchunk didn't work |
| 14:38.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Ok, what's the name? |
| 14:39.01 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr |
| 14:39.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | [15:46] <Dark_Apostrophe> bchunk didn't work |
| 14:39.31 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: then just use cdrdao to burn the bin/cue pair? |
| 14:39.34 | tarzeau | don't know how? |
| 14:39.35 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what does the bin/cue contain? is it possible that it doesn't contain a filesystem? like is it cd audio? |
| 14:39.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I don't wanna burn it |
| 14:39.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I wanna extract the data without wasting a CD. |
| 14:39.55 | tarzeau | i can't help then |
| 14:40.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: VCD |
| 14:40.01 | [Blackheart] | here we go... |
| 14:40.01 | [Blackheart] | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4573 |
| 14:40.19 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: can you post the bin/cue images online? |
| 14:40.23 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i can then have a look |
| 14:40.31 | stew | [Blackheart]: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:40.31 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: what's the film name? |
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| 14:40.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | A Clockwork Orange |
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| 14:40.52 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: this is not the right network for help pirating copyrighted material |
| 14:40.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just grabbed it from a random torrent |
| 14:41.04 | [Blackheart] | I got no help there, I just basically need to know how to get apt to install the dependencies for me? |
| 14:41.07 | tarzeau | stew: you don't know its license |
| 14:41.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: It's ancient. Besides, lots of P2P apps have their channels here. :) |
| 14:41.20 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: which? where? |
| 14:41.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | #xmule |
| 14:41.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | #azureus |
| 14:41.32 | petemc | you can play .bin files with mplayer/vlc |
| 14:41.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | #gnunet |
| 14:41.37 | tarzeau | petemc: oh? nice |
| 14:41.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | And several others |
| 14:41.54 | tarzeau | none of those ever worked for me except limewire |
| 14:42.04 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: let's not forget gift, right? |
| 14:42.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnutella. Ugh. :P |
| 14:42.10 | stew | tarzeau: are you trying to tell me that A Clockwork Orange ins't protected by copyright? |
| 14:42.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Didn't know they had a channel here. |
| 14:42.16 | tarzeau | stew: i don't know |
| 14:42.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: It is. I'm not claiming I didn't pirate it. |
| 14:42.30 | tarzeau | stew: i heard that the first time. read again what i wrote |
| 14:42.33 | blondie | everything is protected by copyright |
| 14:42.34 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: go away |
| 14:42.39 | tarzeau | stew: he didn't post any urls |
| 14:42.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Chill dude... |
| 14:42.45 | tarzeau | blondie: no that's not true |
| 14:42.52 | blondie | it is true |
| 14:42.55 | tarzeau | blondie: bullshit |
| 14:43.01 | tarzeau | blondie: copyright is country specific |
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| 14:43.15 | blondie | yes |
| 14:43.17 | tarzeau | blondie: and nobody is forced (except maybe germany?) to copyright any work |
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| 14:43.26 | petemc | not in antigua, soon... |
| 14:43.30 | blondie | work is copyrighted by default |
| 14:43.31 | tarzeau | blondie: if something is public domain, it's not copyrighted |
| 14:43.34 | tarzeau | blondie: bullshit |
| 14:43.37 | blondie | it is here. |
| 14:43.41 | tarzeau | not here |
| 14:43.50 | blondie | well you're making ASSumptions, so I can too |
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| 14:44.04 | abrotman | yeah! |
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| 14:45.41 | edrin | anyone knows why firefox and thunderbird moved to mozilla.COM ? are they going to become commercial? |
| 14:45.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | edrin: They already are. |
| 14:46.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Grabbing huge sums every year from google and the like. |
| 14:46.11 | kspath | hello abrotmoo! |
| 14:46.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | edrin: Now there are three Mozilla entities: Mozilla Organisation, Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation. |
| 14:47.12 | edrin | and who earns the money? |
| 14:47.16 | blondie | offtopic. |
| 14:47.22 | blondie | irc.mozilla.org |
| 14:47.26 | edrin | firefox now a closed source project? |
| 14:47.32 | blondie | no |
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| 14:47.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | edrin: No, just a commercial free software project. |
| 14:47.49 | edrin | so what is the commercial thing then? |
| 14:47.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Like MySQL or so. |
| 14:48.14 | edrin | but i could still fork the source, right? |
| 14:48.24 | blondie | uhuh, but offtopic |
| 14:48.39 | blondie | !iceweasel |
| 14:48.40 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 14:48.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | edrin: When you first install Firefox, do you happen to notice that your searchbox uses Google, the default homepage is Google and the mark text, right click>search leads to google? |
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| 14:48.51 | edrin | blondie: is it you who defines the topics? |
| 14:48.53 | jemoer | hello |
| 14:48.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | edrin: That's how it's become commercial. |
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| 14:49.02 | itchi | tarzeau: That looks strange that we can use fluxbox inside wmaker |
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| 14:49.13 | edrin | Dark_Apostrophe: ah |
| 14:49.14 | jemoer | how do I make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg no questions at all!! |
| 14:49.22 | blondie | edrin: your questions have nothing to do with debian |
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| 14:49.35 | edrin | blondie: your comments on them neither |
| 14:49.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: Doesn't mean we can't answer them :) |
| 14:49.50 | blondie | edrin: don't be insolent |
| 14:50.01 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: yes it does |
| 14:50.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: ... |
| 14:50.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can answer them if I choose to. |
| 14:50.40 | stew | jemoer: you can try "dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg" |
| 14:50.51 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: answer them elsewhere |
| 14:51.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | So much for the helpful and cooperative spirit of freenode. |
| 14:51.16 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: blondie: please just drop it and move on, and keep it on-topic |
| 14:51.25 | blondie | stew: how dare you |
| 14:51.32 | stew | ? |
| 14:51.40 | blondie | don't tell me to keep it on topic. |
| 14:51.50 | blondie | tell edrin |
| 14:51.53 | edrin | Dark_Apostrophe: google is really becoming frightening now. search-engine-monoculture, and i just tried this very evil google desktop that indexed all my files and did not gave me an option to easily delete this shit! |
| 14:51.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: If someone asks a Debian-related question I know the answer to, I'll answer it. Same goes if it's not directly debian-specific. |
| 14:52.01 | stew | edrin: keep it on topic |
| 14:52.08 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: please don't |
| 14:52.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meh. |
| 14:52.39 | cast | edrin: i completely agree. locate indexed all my files and i couldn't find the box to click to undo it anywhere! |
| 14:52.48 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: if you want to discuss google with edrin please take it to another channel or to /query |
| 14:52.52 | KomiaPoika | where can i get a list of sysctl commands? |
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| 14:52.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | edrin: Google are a disaster for privacy. Luckily, Firefox can be manipulated to remove it fairly easily. |
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| 14:53.07 | duckx | hy |
| 14:53.21 | duckx | I was wondering if any of you was using pbuilder ... |
| 14:53.29 | badcfe | hmm. ive just installed sarge from CDs and when i do apt-get update with ftp sources, i get the following: |
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| 14:53.36 | stew | duckx: i'm sure many are, just ask your real question |
| 14:53.38 | badcfe | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 14:53.46 | zmotok | here's a not exactly debian specific q: any idea why i have no spellcheck in ooorg? had it one week ago, today there's no "available language module" in ooorg, and i have (for example) the l10n-es installed |
| 14:53.46 | duckx | thx Stew |
| 14:53.55 | zmotok | running debian (yep) unstable |
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| 14:54.09 | iuso | hmm... there isnt devfs anymore in 2.6.17? |
| 14:54.10 | zmotok | any probs with the ooorg packages these days? |
| 14:54.21 | edrin | cast: to make locate do the indexing is as difficult as to remove the database. however google is a windows app that should be designed to be self intuitive |
| 14:54.24 | badcfe | apt says "Err ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages" and " Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '" |
| 14:54.33 | stew | iuso: devfs was removed completely from 2.6.13 and later |
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| 14:54.34 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 14:54.34 | edrin | ok |
| 14:54.38 | duckx | Currently with version 0.161 the orig.tar.gz seems not included in the change file ... |
| 14:54.49 | cast | edrin: are you saying windows apps should be dumbed down? |
| 14:54.51 | duckx | Is there a workaround for this ? |
| 14:55.12 | odla | zmotok: install myspell |
| 14:55.29 | stew | cast: edrin: please take it elsewhere |
| 14:55.36 | zmotok | odla: installed |
| 14:55.56 | edrin | back to debian: the etch installer, is it able to shrink the windows XP NTFS partition on my new laptop to have some space available without destroying everything? |
| 14:55.58 | zmotok | myspell-es is installed |
| 14:56.06 | badcfe | apt-get update tells me "Ign ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Release" and "Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '" what can i do? |
| 14:56.07 | odla | zmotok: maybe you haven't selected the language in oo.org2? |
| 14:56.51 | odla | badcfe: re-run apt-get update and see if that still happens |
| 14:56.57 | odla | badcfe: if it does use another mirror |
| 14:57.03 | ^rob^ | why is kernel-image-2.6-686 SMP ? - there is also a -smp version but i see no difference |
| 14:57.08 | ^rob^ | the default one is smp. |
| 14:57.12 | duckx | The fact that the orig.tar.gz is missing make my import using reprepro fail |
| 14:57.25 | zmotok | odla: it's selected, including as the default language for documents |
| 14:57.26 | stew | blondie: it should be looking for ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz not ftp://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 14:57.31 | edrin | blondie, so? can you answer my DEBIAN question? |
| 14:57.32 | stew | badcfe: ^^ |
| 14:57.39 | ^rob^ | uname say that this kernel is smp - dpkg shows that i've installed nonsmp version |
| 14:58.00 | badcfe | odla: still happens. change mirror? to what? |
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| 14:58.22 | Keith-BlindUser | Hi all. |
| 14:58.23 | odla | badcfe: i think stew is right you have your sources.list probably set up incorrectly...paste it in pastebin |
| 14:58.32 | petemc | ^rob^: what version? i think all kernels > 2.6.18 are smp |
| 14:58.33 | ^rob^ | anyone use etch here? |
| 14:58.39 | badcfe | what pastebin (its two lines long).. |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | the 2.6.17 in etch are too |
| 14:58.47 | stew | badcfe: what is the deb line you have? it seems like you have "ftp.debian.org" instead of "ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 14:58.48 | tarzeau | ^rob^: not me |
| 14:58.51 | blondie | ^rob^: no, I'm sure no-one in the debian channel is |
| 14:59.05 | ^rob^ | i have etch and 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 14:59.09 | odla | blondie: ha ha |
| 14:59.18 | badcfe | the lines in my sources.list are "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/ stable main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" |
| 14:59.19 | odla | blondie: no one here is using debian either |
| 14:59.22 | stew | ^rob^: that is an smp kernel, all kernels starting with 2.6.17 are smp |
| 14:59.23 | blondie | yeah |
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| 14:59.30 | badcfe | could i just remove the first entry? |
| 14:59.31 | ^rob^ | damn - i |
| 14:59.32 | blondie | gentoo all the way ;) |
| 14:59.34 | odla | badcfe: add ftp://ftp.debina.org/debian |
| 14:59.36 | Keith-BlindUser | I was wondering if anyone here could give me the keyboard commands for installing an external kernel module into my running Linux kernel? I've downloaded the deb package for my vidio card, but dpkg -i doesn't install the module inside the deb package. Right? |
| 14:59.40 | stew | badcfe: it should be deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main |
| 14:59.41 | odla | oops not debina debian.org |
| 14:59.43 | tarzeau | !debina |
| 14:59.43 | dpkg | [debina] debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 14:59.45 | stew | badcfe: don't remove it |
| 14:59.52 | mandingo | does anyone know if there is a hard limit on the ip_conntrack table's max limit? |
| 14:59.57 | odla | tarzeau: no debina is debian's girlfriend |
| 15:00.00 | ^rob^ | am using rt61 module for wireless card - if signal fails - pc freeze |
| 15:00.09 | badcfe | odla, stew: aha bummer. lets see... |
| 15:00.10 | duckx | stew: any idea where I can find info on my issue ? |
| 15:00.29 | ^rob^ | i guess i'll have to recompile my kernel |
| 15:00.30 | edrin | can the etch installer shrink the windows XP NTFS partition to have space available without destroying the ntfs? |
| 15:00.30 | Keith-BlindUser | Well |
| 15:00.32 | badcfe | ill use deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 15:00.59 | Ronin | edrin: never tried it but i do know that partition magic can do it safely, assuming you have a copy of course |
| 15:01.05 | odla | badcfe: and you may or may not wish to add 'non-free contrib' after main |
| 15:01.05 | stew | duckx: its a debian native package, so there wouldn't be a .orig.tar.gz |
| 15:01.12 | odla | badcfe: if you want to use those packages |
| 15:01.16 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: driver for what ? |
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| 15:01.26 | ^rob^ | edrin: the install can't but there are linux tools to do that - i guess u have windows - use p-magic :) |
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| 15:01.55 | edrin | hm... |
| 15:01.57 | badcfe | odla, stew: thanks. now it works. whats that "contrib" that i may append? |
| 15:01.59 | stew | duckx: there should just be a .dsc and a pbuilder_0.161.tar.gz |
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| 15:02.04 | odla | !contrib |
| 15:02.04 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 15:02.09 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: can you show someone where to get the .deb file ? |
| 15:02.19 | odla | !tell badcfe about non-free |
| 15:02.20 | badcfe | thanks botty |
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| 15:02.41 | odla | badcfe: you may or may not want packages from them |
| 15:02.57 | badcfe | odla: right, i may or may not want that 8-) |
| 15:03.08 | duckx | stew: I am currently building my own package ... |
| 15:03.08 | duckx | So I generate the sources through debsource |
| 15:03.08 | duckx | Then test the build with pbuilder |
| 15:03.12 | Keith-BlindUser | abrotman: I'm installing drivers for my nvidia graphics card. I have the deb package already where it needs to be via: dpkg -i (name of deb file) but not sure how to get the module installed into the kernel. |
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| 15:03.26 | odla | badcfe: exactly...i get some packages from them but most are from main |
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| 15:03.45 | stew | duckx: dpkg-source? |
| 15:04.00 | duckx | Yep, I just created a new Debian package |
| 15:04.01 | edrin | i thought the current installer can already reduce the size of existing ntfs partitions |
| 15:04.03 | ^rob^ | what the heck is this??? W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: in /etc/modules |
| 15:04.14 | duckx | For halcc a hal c++ wrapper |
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| 15:04.26 | stew | duckx: and your package is missing the .orig.tar.gz? (I thought you were talking about the fact that pbuilder was missing a .orig.tar.gz) |
| 15:04.37 | duckx | In my source-tree I do a dpkg-buildpackage -S |
| 15:04.40 | raz0 | !tell ^rob^ about etch key |
| 15:04.41 | h3sp4wn | ^rob^: see /topic |
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| 15:04.56 | duckx | To create a dsc and changes files and everything needed for the building |
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| 15:05.05 | pmv | waah |
| 15:05.07 | duckx | Then I pass the dsc to pbuilder to get it build |
| 15:05.08 | Keith-BlindUser | Debian rules. |
| 15:05.09 | stew | duckx: does ../packagename_version.orig.tar.gz exist? |
| 15:05.11 | Keith-BlindUser | ;) |
| 15:05.18 | duckx | stew: Yes it does |
| 15:05.20 | pmv | yaird doesn't support suspend yet |
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| 15:05.35 | fasta | Xorg uses: 0.7% 19.9% |
| 15:05.37 | duckx | stew: in fact it is mentionned in the source dsc |
| 15:05.43 | fasta | Isn't that a bit odd? |
| 15:05.45 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 15:05.51 | Keith-BlindUser | BRB. |
| 15:05.53 | fasta | I have 1GB of physical RAM |
| 15:06.07 | stew | duckx: ok, then what exactly is the problem? |
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| 15:06.18 | duckx | stew: the fact is I don't know how to rebuild or a dsc file |
| 15:06.29 | fasta | Could it be some kind of memory leak in Xorg? |
| 15:06.43 | duckx | stew: Building with pbuilder goes fine |
| 15:07.02 | duckx | But my build changes file miss the orig.tar.gz file |
| 15:07.03 | stew | duckx: "rebuild or a dsc file"? |
| 15:07.11 | duckx | sorry stew |
| 15:07.13 | stew | duckx: what is the debian revision? -2 ? |
| 15:07.21 | duckx | hmm -2 yes |
| 15:07.29 | pmv | anyone here using yaird? |
| 15:07.49 | fasta | I have some kind of Firefox Iceweasel combination running now. Why isn't it just called Iceweasel? |
| 15:07.52 | stew | duckx: then you don't need to upload a new .orig.tar.gz becuase its just a change to the -1 package, if you had bumped the upstream version it would include a new .orig.tar.gz |
| 15:08.05 | stew | duckx: follow? |
| 15:08.09 | duckx | ok got it :) |
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| 15:08.18 | valdyn | fasta: it is |
| 15:08.29 | fasta | valdyn: oh, never mind. |
| 15:08.34 | duckx | Thx stew, I tell you if it works :) |
| 15:08.41 | fasta | valdyn: I was confusing something |
| 15:09.16 | fasta | valdyn: still when I click about I still get Firefox with bit letters. |
| 15:09.19 | duckx | stew: thk you so much :) |
| 15:09.24 | stew | duckx: you're welcome |
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| 15:09.57 | fasta | big* |
| 15:10.10 | ^rob^ | !dpg nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:10.29 | ^rob^ | !dpkg nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:10.44 | ^rob^ | grr |
| 15:11.06 | ^rob^ | /m dpkg nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:12.48 | dererk | Hi, I'm in a hurry here, do anyone of you know how to enter to the fucking bios of the Proliants ? |
| 15:12.53 | E-bola | can any1 tell me how to get apt-get not wo whine about the key of http://ftp2.de.debian.org sarge/volatile |
| 15:12.53 | E-bola | ? |
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| 15:13.11 | E-bola | derek: press del or f8 or similar |
| 15:13.15 | E-bola | derek: it tell syou how.... |
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| 15:13.36 | dererk | E-bola: nope, I tryed all FXX possibilities |
| 15:13.51 | stew | E-bola: are you getting an error when running apt-get update? |
| 15:14.06 | jamonation | dererk: http://www.lackof.org/matt/hacking/proliant/Debian-ProLiant-Guide.html |
| 15:14.08 | Detox_away | hey folks I messed up my pc,, have to reload, normally do net isntall, but my dsl connection rally stinks and takes over 5 hours to load basic system,,, how many cd's do I need to get full desktop debian? Don't want to DL all (15+?) |
| 15:14.30 | Ronin | Detox_away: the first one will give you a working system with x |
| 15:14.39 | Ronin | nothing fancy mind you but it will be a working box |
| 15:14.40 | E-bola | stew: yes |
| 15:14.41 | Detox_away | WITH x?? |
| 15:14.46 | stew | Detox_away: you need 2 or 3 for a full desktop debian depending on which desktop environment. if you can get on the network with a debian kernel, then you only need one |
| 15:14.52 | E-bola | im on etch: and uses volatile tyo update |
| 15:14.54 | badcfe | is it possible to install kernel 2.6.18 on sarge. -- my apt-cache shows no more recent kernel than kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 15:14.58 | badcfe | ? |
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| 15:15.02 | Detox_away | i have the net isntall cd now |
| 15:15.05 | Michael__ | I am trying to set up SASL relaying through my postfix server, i have it listening on port10025 right now, but have tried 25, 2525 and i am never able to telnet to it. I just get a blank window that times out, my router is set to port forward the proper ports, and my server is even in the DMZ |
| 15:15.06 | E-bola | i always have problems withn GPG keys on etch for some reason... |
| 15:15.07 | stew | E-bola: then the error message should tell you what key is missing |
| 15:15.14 | E-bola | stew: it does tell me |
| 15:15.23 | Ronin | Detox_away: you can use that as well and start teh install and then go about your day :) |
| 15:15.28 | Detox_away | so get full disk 1 -3 and it should work great th en? |
| 15:15.41 | E-bola | dererk: if it doesnt tell u something si wrong |
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| 15:16.00 | Detox_away | as I said,, my DSL stinks,,, takes over 5 hours for desktop isntall ,, IF I hold connection |
| 15:16.01 | stew | Detox_away: 1-3 would get you a full gnome or kde environment, probably others |
| 15:16.02 | dererk | jamonation: Marvellous! |
| 15:16.09 | phogg | whenever I try to open a document in oowriter I get '/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 250: 6569 Segmentation fault "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"'. strace oowriter at that point brings up document recovery and if I cancel oowriter dies with (among other strace things) this error: "WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit". Any ideas? |
| 15:16.27 | stew | E-bola: "/msg dpkg apt-key abcdef12" for the last 8 digits of the key |
| 15:16.30 | Detox_away | (yes with my DSL I still lose connection with DL's) |
| 15:16.37 | Detox_away | thanks for the info |
| 15:16.58 | stew | Detox_away: "/msg dpkg which cd" will tell you how to determine which cds contain which packages |
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| 15:17.18 | stew | E-bola: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 15:17.42 | stew | !public key not available is <reply> see no public key |
| 15:17.43 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:17.48 | Detox_away | is there a prob with suppositories? am doing apt-get update and is hanging at 99%? |
| 15:17.53 | E-bola | stew: shouldnt i get the key auto though? |
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| 15:17.58 | E-bola | thats whats always worrying me? |
| 15:17.58 | stew | E-bola: yes |
| 15:17.58 | Detox_away | then get error for invalid key |
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| 15:18.02 | Ronin | heh supposirories heh |
| 15:18.03 | E-bola | i mean its a semi official debian mirror |
| 15:18.04 | Ronin | Detox_away: /topic |
| 15:18.06 | E-bola | so why doesnt it work? |
| 15:18.13 | Keith-BlindUser | abrotman: I know that /etc/modules is the directory. What I'm talking about is: after you use dpkg -i (deb name here) Then, what would I type? make &&install? I'm not trying to compile all modules;only trying to install a module into my kernel that is "external" because it does not come already installed. |
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| 15:18.24 | Azar | Ronin I was missing that |
| 15:18.28 | E-bola | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main |
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| 15:18.36 | Keith-BlindUser | The problem is |
| 15:18.37 | E-bola | thats the line in sources which doesnt have the key |
| 15:18.37 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: depmod -a ? |
| 15:18.57 | stew | E-bola: no its just that the debian-archive-keyring package in etch hasn't updated yet, this was a poorly timed key switch, the next version of debian-archive-keyring will make this problem go away |
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| 15:19.03 | Keith-BlindUser | I told you I'd keed keyboared console commands to be told to me.. i.e. tar, or whatever. Sinse that's how I have to use this thing for now. |
| 15:19.10 | frafra | hi all |
| 15:19.17 | E-bola | stew: why dont they just update it now? |
| 15:19.23 | stew | E-bola: oh, i dunno which key debian-volatile is signed with |
| 15:19.40 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm going to see if there is accessibility for X-Windows at some point, thus having to install this external module for my nvidia card. |
| 15:19.42 | stew | E-bola: the updated it, it just hasn't moved from unstable to testing yet |
| 15:19.53 | Michael__ | I am trying to set up SASL relaying through my postfix server, i have it listening on port10025 right now, but have tried 25, 2525 and i am never able to telnet to it. I just get a blank window that times out, my router is set to port forward the proper ports, and my server is even in the DMZ |
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| 15:20.01 | Keith-BlindUser | Without the module the card will not be detected. |
| 15:20.06 | Keith-BlindUser | ;) |
| 15:20.07 | frafra | I want to install debian sid on my laptop. What's the faster way to do it? |
| 15:20.16 | Keith-BlindUser | Dude |
| 15:20.19 | Keith-BlindUser | Get GRML |
| 15:20.22 | Ronin | frafra: can you fix it when it breaks? |
| 15:20.30 | Keith-BlindUser | from GRML.org, it is practically debian sid/unstable. |
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| 15:20.41 | Azar | Keith-BlindUser: you installed and use Etch? |
| 15:20.52 | frafra | Ronin: why should it will break? |
| 15:20.53 | stew | E-bola: actually it looks like it did already move to etch, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring" should get you the latest |
| 15:20.55 | blondie | frafra: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 15:20.58 | Ronin | frafra: its sid |
| 15:21.01 | Ronin | it breaks |
| 15:21.17 | E-bola | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 15:21.18 | frafra | ah, ok... but on my pc I've sid too :) |
| 15:21.20 | E-bola | i guess not... |
| 15:21.29 | stew | E-bola: what version do you have |
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| 15:21.31 | E-bola | stew: whats the lame way to do it, to simply add the key my self |
| 15:21.34 | Ronin | frafra: then install sid on your laptop the same way you got it on yoru desktop |
| 15:21.44 | Keith-BlindUser | Azar: I installed grml Linux, wich is still debian. The problem still remains... what to do after using dpkg -i on the nvidia deb package. |
| 15:21.46 | E-bola | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
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| 15:21.53 | E-bola | 2.6.17-2-486 |
| 15:22.05 | stew | E-bola: i meant which version of debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:22.10 | E-bola | ahh sory |
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| 15:22.20 | Azar | Keith-BlindUser: oh I see.. grml, interesting |
| 15:22.21 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: it is not debian |
| 15:22.24 | stew | 10:16 < stew> E-bola: "/msg dpkg apt-key abcdef12" for the last 8 digits of the key |
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| 15:22.39 | frafra | Ronin: for my pc I've installed etch and then upgrading to sid... So, can I do a netinstall of sid directly? does exist some images for it? |
| 15:22.53 | abrotman | no |
| 15:23.02 | Keith-BlindUser | well |
| 15:23.05 | Ronin | frafra: no |
| 15:23.14 | frafra | ok.. |
| 15:23.25 | blondie | !sid |
| 15:23.25 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:23.51 | Keith-BlindUser | grml still utilizes Debian.... It's just not a plain-stile. But yes it does. I.e. apt-get, etc. |
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| 15:23.51 | abrotman | it's NOT debian |
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| 15:24.00 | Keith-BlindUser | So I figured I'd be able to ask this question here...as my question is not GRML-spasific. |
| 15:24.14 | Keith-BlindUser | It's simply what to do after dpkg -i |
| 15:24.17 | E-bola | stew: i have version 2006.01.18 |
| 15:24.34 | tarzeau | Keith-BlindUser: there's a #grml channel |
| 15:24.38 | Azar | Keith-BlindUser: personally never heard of grml and heck if I'd know how to force a proprietary driver on an unknown linux distro |
| 15:24.42 | tarzeau | try --force-all |
| 15:24.47 | Keith-BlindUser | Surely unpacking the deb that contains the nvidia external (not as yet installed) kernel module. I know dpkg -i won't do it. I'll have to do something else. |
| 15:24.56 | Azar | force is with tarzeau! |
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| 15:25.00 | ^rob^ | As of 1.0.5336-1, NVIDIA includes support for a 2.6 kernel. No extra steps are required ??? what does this mean?? |
| 15:25.01 | Keith-BlindUser | I'll have to do something after that. |
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| 15:25.08 | stew | E-bola: I wouldn't be suprised to see that debian-volatile isn't in the archive-keyring |
| 15:25.11 | ^rob^ | apt-get install nvidia and works? |
| 15:25.23 | lastnode | grml? |
| 15:25.24 | tarzeau | rob: i use the nvidia-driver script |
| 15:25.27 | tarzeau | !grml |
| 15:25.27 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. |
| 15:25.32 | E-bola | stew: its not, anyway i did it manualy now and that worked |
| 15:25.35 | E-bola | thanks for your time |
| 15:25.42 | blondie | grml sounds like something related to html or xml |
| 15:25.56 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: whare is that script? |
| 15:25.58 | frafra | cdimage.debian.org doesn't work |
| 15:26.00 | Keith-BlindUser | See? |
| 15:26.04 | Keith-BlindUser | I told you all so. |
| 15:26.07 | tarzeau | ^rob^: still at www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 15:26.11 | Keith-BlindUser | It's very much debian sid |
| 15:26.12 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 15:26.14 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: IT IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 15:26.16 | stew | Keith-BlindUser: no, its not. sorry |
| 15:26.18 | tarzeau | Keith-BlindUser: no it's NOT |
| 15:26.18 | Ronin | but yet not Keith-BlindUser |
| 15:26.25 | tarzeau | !ops liar |
| 15:26.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tarzeau complains about: liar |
| 15:26.31 | tarzeau | Keith-BlindUser: |
| 15:26.31 | Keith-BlindUser | with grml scripts and kernel running on top of the standard tools from this project, the gnu project, etc. |
| 15:26.33 | stew | tarzeau: ? |
| 15:26.38 | tarzeau | Keith-BlindUser: shut up please |
| 15:26.38 | Ronin | nice try tarzeau :) |
| 15:26.58 | Azar | looks like some sort of rescue stuff, not the Debian-Linux operating system |
| 15:27.00 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: it is NOT debian .. it is based on debian |
| 15:27.04 | Keith-BlindUser | GRML provides accessibility for handy-capped people. I.e. blind/visionally impaired people right out of the box. |
| 15:27.10 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 15:27.10 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:27.12 | abrotman | so does Debian |
| 15:27.16 | blondie | knoppix is debian too! so is ubuntu! |
| 15:27.18 | tarzeau | Keith-BlindUser: NOBODY CARES IN HERE |
| 15:27.33 | Keith-BlindUser | Not many distros are known for being blind-friendly, or helpful with irc support. LOL |
| 15:27.34 | tarzeau | Keith-BlindUser: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 15:27.37 | azeem | tarzeau: it is not the ops duty to moderate people who are confused about basde on debian |
| 15:27.41 | azeem | tarzeau: /ignore |
| 15:27.41 | Azar | :) |
| 15:27.45 | abrotman | it's not? |
| 15:27.46 | stew | tarzeau: please chill |
| 15:27.46 | Azar | hi azeem |
| 15:27.52 | Keith-BlindUser | It's just as important for the IRC channel to have people who know about blind folks. |
| 15:27.56 | abrotman | even if it continues on and on ? |
| 15:27.58 | Keith-BlindUser | :) |
| 15:28.03 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm one of those ;) |
| 15:28.11 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: you're not using debian |
| 15:28.11 | blondie | why do blind people need fancy graphics cards? |
| 15:28.12 | tarzeau | he's blind? |
| 15:28.26 | blondie | not being offensive, serious question |
| 15:28.31 | cydork | tarzeau: /lastlog |
| 15:28.32 | azeem | abrotman: if it continues on and on, that's a sign of failure from the people discussing |
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| 15:28.38 | Keith-BlindUser | Well |
| 15:28.42 | Keith-BlindUser | Here's the thing |
| 15:28.59 | Ronin | blondie: apparenlty to ask questions in the wrong irc channels |
| 15:29.11 | Keith-BlindUser | I've manily got a fancy graphic card because: if I have someone looking at my screen, they'll have a nice visual. |
| 15:29.22 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: i don't get it - i'm getting chunks of messages - what is that script, why nvidia is not working from apt ... etc? |
| 15:29.24 | abrotman | azeem: which could indicate that an op is needed because someone isn't listening to the fact they're not using debian ... |
| 15:29.27 | Keith-BlindUser | And as in the physical monitor. |
| 15:29.32 | Keith-BlindUser | :) |
| 15:29.36 | Keith-BlindUser | Problem is |
| 15:29.44 | blondie | right |
| 15:29.48 | Keith-BlindUser | I've still got to get the module installed LOL |
| 15:29.52 | peterS | Keith-BlindUser: stop hitting enter. type a whole sentence, or two, and _then_ hit enter. |
| 15:29.58 | badcfe | is etch ready for production environment in practice? |
| 15:30.09 | stew | badcfe: no, it doens't get timely security updates |
| 15:30.12 | Keith-BlindUser | Because right now my box won't start up properly because it can't find my nvidia vidio card. |
| 15:30.12 | cydork | badcfe: no security upgrades |
| 15:30.13 | abrotman | badcfe: no |
| 15:30.14 | azeem | badcfe: it is not ready for servers exposed on the internet |
| 15:30.16 | Azar | Keith-BlindUser: try asking for help on the channel that takes care of #grml |
| 15:30.19 | Keith-BlindUser | And |
| 15:30.24 | peterS | Keith-BlindUser: STOP HITTING ENTER |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | there is a #grml |
| 15:30.33 | abrotman | this isn't a Debian question |
| 15:30.40 | Keith-BlindUser | It must find that, regardless of weather I use X, or not. Or else, the box will not load the software speech that I require. |
| 15:30.52 | Keith-BlindUser | And put it this way |
| 15:31.02 | Keith-BlindUser | A non-talking Linux distrobution is totally useless. |
| 15:31.05 | peterS | Keith-BlindUser: stop hitting enter until you have typed a complete sentence |
| 15:31.09 | azeem | Keith-BlindUser: X setup is frequently different among distributions, so our Debian knowledge will probably not help with grml |
| 15:31.16 | Keith-BlindUser | Especially sinse then you won't know if anything's working. |
| 15:31.17 | peterS | Keith-BlindUser: "and put it this way" does not qualify. "and" does not qualify. |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | he's stopped listening apparently |
| 15:31.50 | Ronin | abrotman: a long time ago i suspect |
| 15:32.03 | crono- | does anyone know what the configuration used in for instance bind's configuration files is called? |
| 15:32.09 | Azar | "ignoring help is FUN" |
| 15:32.20 | abrotman | crono-: huh ? |
| 15:32.36 | azeem | the syntax, I assume |
| 15:32.47 | Michael__ | even if my server has telnet diabled, i should be able to telnet mydomain 25 to check SMTP correct? |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:33.00 | peterS | Michael__: not unless you're running a SMTP server |
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| 15:33.16 | Michael__ | yea im having problems with postfix |
| 15:33.46 | betoreyez | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.49 | Keith-BlindUser | No..no. It's not x spisifically nor grml I'm having issues with..it's the fact that although I've got the .deb for my vidio card module, I do not know how to install the module into the running kernel.... :D. .. That's the issue here. The module doesn't come into the kernel by default. Shurely the debian knologe would be able to help me passed the dpkg -i command. |
| 15:34.02 | Keith-BlindUser | I managed to do that step ont he box without an issue. But the module is still not installed. |
| 15:34.07 | fasta | After upgrading X I get direct rendering: No. I already did m-a auto-install nvidia, and restarted X, but I saw no difference. The nvidia module is loaded however. |
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| 15:34.30 | azeem | Keith-BlindUser: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 15:34.34 | crono- | such as clause { attribute 1; attribute2 "test"; }; |
| 15:34.52 | Keith-BlindUser | people* |
| 15:34.56 | Keith-BlindUser | lol |
| 15:35.08 | Keith-BlindUser | ROFL! |
| 15:35.16 | Azar | :) |
| 15:35.19 | crono- | dont ctcp me! |
| 15:35.23 | azeem | abrotman: thanks for prolonging this discussing |
| 15:35.36 | Azar | crono-: who? |
| 15:35.43 | crono- | its a poor joke |
| 15:35.44 | pmv | heh |
| 15:35.47 | crono- | i do use DSL though |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | azeem: because he's not running debian and continues to ask questions? even though he's been pointed to the channel for the distro he's using ? |
| 15:36.04 | kspath | abrotman: stop discussing the discussion! |
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| 15:36.33 | kspath | abrotman: do not bring logic or reason into this. That has no place here. |
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| 15:36.36 | dimir | !key |
| 15:36.36 | dpkg | methinks key is gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 15:37.31 | Azar | well sorry but I can't stop trying to figure out why a blind guy needs a gui desktop |
| 15:37.42 | fasta | I just discovered gui-apt-key, which is pretty user-friendly (defined as "when you don't know apt-key by heart") |
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| 15:38.11 | azeem | 16:19 < Keith-BlindUser> I've manily got a fancy graphic card because: if I have someone looking at my screen, they'll have a nice visual. |
| 15:38.26 | Azar | :) that was sweet, thanks azeem |
| 15:38.44 | dimir | Oh no, it's GTK! |
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| 15:39.01 | peterS | dpkg no key is <reply>For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters. you can then use "apt-key" to install it. |
| 15:39.01 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
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| 15:39.09 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 15:39.09 | peterS | ^^^ previous instructions were horribly insecure |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | no worse than |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | !etch key |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 15:39.32 | peterS | right, that's just as bad |
| 15:40.05 | peterS | by encouraging people _not_ to verify that the key is genuine, you're asking them to trust, for their system security, an IRC bot which can be edited by _anyone_ |
| 15:40.32 | abrotman | still need a better way for key management .. oh well |
| 15:41.11 | peterS | abrotman: the better way is the 'debian-archive-keyring' package. that actually has a trust path back to debian.org. how unfortunate that it was not updated before the new key was put into active use |
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| 15:41.21 | stew | peterS: its updatedd now though |
| 15:41.26 | peterS | stew: oh, good |
| 15:41.34 | stew | peterS: at least its the same version as sid |
| 15:41.38 | petemc | cant the factoid be locked? |
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| 15:42.08 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 15:42.16 | abrotman | by anyone i believe .. and i think only don can unlock it |
| 15:42.21 | abrotman | !lock etch key |
| 15:42.29 | abrotman | nope .. locking is gone |
| 15:42.38 | peterS | stew: oh? looks to me as though it hasn't been updated since the 2006 archive key was introduced in January |
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| 15:43.36 | azeem | the debian-archive-keyring package has been updated in unstable |
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| 15:44.13 | peterS | azeem: not according to 'rmadison' or 'apt-cache' |
| 15:44.38 | stew | peterS: oh, ok, i knew that sid had been updated, checked that pdo was reporting the same for testing and sid. however, pdo is probably outdated |
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| 15:44.56 | peterS | stew: neither sid nor etch have been updated, according to all the information I can find |
| 15:45.28 | azeem | peterS: the primarily place to check in that situation is packages.qa.debian.org/debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:46.11 | peterS | azeem: so a new version may have been 'accepted', but it is not on my mirror and it is not in incoming. what should I think of that? |
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| 15:46.30 | azeem | peterS: that your mirror hasn't been synced yet |
| 15:46.32 | azeem | or something |
| 15:46.42 | peterS | this is an odd time of day for a mirror not to be synced |
| 15:46.49 | peterS | and for rmadison not to be updated |
| 15:46.49 | azeem | it's on my mirror at least |
| 15:46.55 | stew | apt-get source debian-archive-keyring got me debian-archive-keyring-2006.11.22 |
| 15:46.59 | azeem | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2006.11.22_all.deb |
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| 15:48.31 | adamt | !dpkg no public ke |
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| 15:48.52 | adamt | how can i get the info without sending dpkg a priv? |
| 15:49.01 | azeem | adamt: you *should* send dpkg a priv |
| 15:49.06 | azeem | that what it says in the topic |
| 15:49.07 | adamt | i'm having big problems, and can't switch to the tab... |
| 15:49.08 | DrthHmstr | Hi |
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| 15:49.16 | DrthHmstr | investigating |
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| 15:49.17 | azeem | adamt: then at least don't typo it |
| 15:49.32 | adamt | azeem: well, sorry, help me here ;-) |
| 15:49.41 | adamt | !dpkg no public key |
| 15:50.01 | fasta | All programs making use of 3d (e.g. glxinfo, glxgears) segfault when I run them. What is the most likely cause for this? I just installed the driver using the module assistant. |
| 15:50.02 | azeem | adamt: fiy your irc client or get a decent one which supports privs |
| 15:50.07 | azeem | s/fiy/fix/ |
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| 15:50.22 | adamt | azeem: listen, it DOES support privs, but i'm having major problems, okay? i can't switch to a priv |
| 15:50.59 | azeem | fasta: bad driver |
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| 15:51.31 | fasta | azeem: The kernel module or the x driver? |
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| 15:51.47 | azeem | fasta: either I guess, dunno |
| 15:51.50 | adamt | can anybody please copy the message to this channel? i seriously can't switch to other tabs |
| 15:52.05 | Vixus | Hello. I want to apt and Synaptic to access the web through a proxy. |
| 15:52.15 | adamt | and i can't start konversation, because of an array of buggy packages that entered testing today.. |
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| 15:54.00 | Vixus | export http_proxy is getting tedious to type. |
| 15:54.14 | Vixus | Come on, apt:get is the backbone of my OS... I want it to work! :D |
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| 15:55.11 | azeem | Vixus: so add http_proxy to your environment, or add it to your APT config |
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| 15:55.21 | tj2 | Hi! Which Berkeley db is libdbi-perl 1.46-6 using ? |
| 15:55.32 | tj2 | Or if no one knows, how do I see the dependencies for a package? |
| 15:55.50 | h3sp4wn | tj2: apt-cache depends foo |
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| 15:55.56 | mentor | !+no public key |
| 15:55.56 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 15:56.53 | tj2 | Hm, should't the berkeley db be a dependency for libdbi-perl ? |
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| 15:56.57 | Vixus | azeem: Adding it to apt.conf doesn't work. |
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| 15:57.09 | Caelum | tj2: no |
| 15:57.10 | tarzeau | !key |
| 15:57.11 | dpkg | For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters. you can then use "apt-key" to install it. |
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| 15:57.26 | tarzeau | !apt key |
| 15:57.31 | tarzeau | !apt-key |
| 15:57.36 | Vixus | azeem: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://wwwcache.ed.ac.uk:3128"; <--- is the tree I used. |
| 15:57.38 | tj2 | Caelum, hmkay? Ah well, how would you suggest I find out which version of BDB it uses? |
| 15:57.50 | Caelum | tj2: it does not use BDB at all |
| 15:57.51 | tarzeau | damn, and where is the rest for apt to add the key? |
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| 15:58.12 | azeem | tarzeau: the rest? |
| 15:58.23 | tarzeau | azeem: apt-key bla bla bla |
| 15:58.28 | temba | hello all toegther , its me , i am new to debian, want to say hello and i changed from suse to the better one i feel :D |
| 15:58.43 | azeem | tarzeau: see topic |
| 15:58.45 | azeem | "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key" |
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| 15:58.57 | Vixus | azeem: Typing export http_proxy=... is getting pretty tedious. |
| 15:59.09 | axscode | hi guyz.. im using default installation of debian.. how to add an ALIAS? |
| 15:59.21 | Caelum | axscode: edit your ~/.bashrc |
| 15:59.29 | axscode | im using bash.. |
| 15:59.34 | azeem | Vixus: you can configure a proxy in synaptic's properties |
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| 15:59.42 | axscode | Caelum: i just want to manual.. not every boot time.. |
| 15:59.45 | temba | axscode , what about vi /etc/aliases |
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| 15:59.51 | azeem | axscode: alias foo=bar |
| 15:59.58 | axscode | ok thanks azeem |
| 16:00.03 | Caelum | axscode: alias ls="ls --color=auto -C" for example |
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| 16:01.57 | Vixus | azeem: Synaptic still isn't downloading... |
| 16:02.21 | azeem | Vixus: well, dunno, check your proxy settings then |
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| 16:02.37 | jeward | Can someone recommend a rootkit checking package? |
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| 16:03.10 | frafra | debian etch rc1 (gui install) doesn't reconize my touchpad |
| 16:03.31 | stew | frafra: you mean you can't use it during the install? |
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| 16:03.36 | frafra | yes |
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| 16:03.49 | Caelum | jeward: apt-cache search rootkit :) |
| 16:03.51 | Vixus | azeem: They're correct. |
| 16:04.17 | Azar | axscode: more info here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
| 16:04.37 | axscode | yeas yeas. thanks.. |
| 16:05.02 | axscode | im using bash anyway.. |
| 16:05.36 | Azar | axscode: me too :) |
| 16:05.40 | eleftherios | isn't there a debian jobs board? We'd like to advertise a position for a GNU/Linux web developer, do you think it will be too off-topic? |
| 16:06.16 | axscode | remote or office? |
| 16:06.22 | Vixus | azeem: Adding it to ~/.bashrc fixed apt's problem, thanks. :D |
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| 16:06.28 | Vixus | Just synaptic. :s |
| 16:06.29 | frafra | woooow! I'm installing debian etch... why it's copying my partition? O.o |
| 16:06.32 | Feax | how to launch the package eggdrop of debian ? |
| 16:06.43 | Ronin | Feax: again? or should i say still? |
| 16:06.47 | axscode | etch is another version? |
| 16:07.06 | pickcoder | there are always 3 versions of Debian |
| 16:07.13 | Feax | Ronin: again what ? |
| 16:07.15 | pickcoder | 3 active versions |
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| 16:07.27 | Azar | axscode: Debian comes in three versions: stable/Sarge , testing/Etch, unstable/Sid |
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| 16:08.28 | Ronin | Feax: eggdrops, talk about deja vu and you :) |
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| 16:08.35 | Ronin | Feax: man eggrop also www.egghelp.org |
| 16:08.53 | Feax | thanks Ronin |
| 16:09.01 | crono- | whats the difference between testing and unstable |
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| 16:09.50 | smallfoot- | if anyone know a hardware company that done something good or bad such as cooperate with open source or anti-competive, please add it to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
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| 16:10.03 | Nopalin | hey |
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| 16:10.09 | sussudio | spamz0r! |
| 16:10.11 | smallfoot- | [ShE24] is an on-join spammer |
| 16:10.12 | Nopalin | how can i get the finish status of a script? |
| 16:10.31 | abrotman | from man bash |
| 16:10.43 | axscode | azar..thats why i always have a Sarge. hmm not bad. |
| 16:10.44 | axscode | lolz. |
| 16:10.51 | crono- | Nopalin: $? |
| 16:11.10 | pmv_ | $? |
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| 16:11.18 | pmv_ | echo $? |
| 16:11.40 | Nopalin | $? = script.sh ?? |
| 16:11.54 | crono- | no its builtin, just test it after executing |
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| 16:14.58 | Ronin | smallfoot-: what did they send you? |
| 16:15.03 | keith80403 | Nopalin, When the script finishes, type at the command prompt echo $? |
| 16:15.16 | keith80403 | Nopalin, Zero is a good return code, non-zero indicates an error. |
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| 16:16.09 | Nopalin | keith80403: but i dont want to see the status manually, i need to get it from another script |
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| 16:16.29 | keith80403 | Nopalin, One script runs another, is that right? |
| 16:16.58 | Nopalin | keith80403: yes |
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| 16:18.14 | CharminTheMoose | questiion:is it legal under the GPL to edit a program and then sell it? |
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| 16:19.24 | keith80403 | Nopalin, if script1 runs script2, then at the end of script2 put "exit 1", then in script1 put this line: if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo "script2 failed" ; fi |
| 16:19.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | CharminTheMoose: As long as you supply the source code, yes |
| 16:19.59 | Nopalin | keith80403: ahh ok thanks |
| 16:20.06 | keith80403 | Nopalin, Since I don't know exactly what you're testing for, that example will work only if you explicitly set the exit code. |
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| 16:20.25 | ofer0 | CharminTheMoose, you can even sell it without changing it |
| 16:20.41 | adamt | so, anyone else than me having major problem after the new kde-3.5.5-2 packages that entered testing today? |
| 16:20.44 | Nopalin | keith80403: yes well, i just need want to know the finish status of my script 2 |
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| 16:21.14 | ofer0 | you can do whatever you want with it, but if you distribute it you must supply the source code |
| 16:22.07 | keith80403 | Nopalin, Most scripts will exit with zero unless you explicitly set it. If there is an executable (say grep "foo" file.txt) that fails, you'll have to save the exit code in a variable, and then tell script2 to exit with the code returned by grep. |
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| 16:26.07 | Azar | if anyone interested.. found a "postfix anatomy" article |
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| 16:31.09 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:31.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:33.20 | CharminTheMoose | moo |
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| 16:33.26 | yassinework | hi everyone |
| 16:34.13 | yassinework | any idea how i can avoid rerunning my . .bash_profile each time i want my env var to be set as i defined them there ? |
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| 16:34.29 | Azar | I guess I will buy that book.... long time I wanted to build my own mailserver |
| 16:35.01 | abrotman | you can't |
| 16:35.04 | h3sp4wn | yassinework: define them in .bashrc if you want them all the time (profile is only for login shells) |
| 16:35.23 | yassinework | h3sp4wn, thanks you |
| 16:35.25 | abrotman | yassinework: you could set it in there .. then use export VAR=value |
| 16:35.39 | abrotman | oh .. i misread |
| 16:35.52 | abrotman | there's a thing in .bashrc to have it always get .bash_profile |
| 16:35.52 | yassinework | np thanks you guys |
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| 16:45.15 | JoseBravo | Who know a good bandwidth manager under Linux? |
| 16:45.46 | stew | JoseBravo: the wondershaper package |
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| 16:49.28 | JoseBravo | stew, Its works with kernel 2.6? |
| 16:49.53 | stew | JoseBravo: yes |
| 16:50.14 | badcfe | on etch, how should i proceed to install a stable kernel at atleast 2.6.15 ?? |
| 16:50.23 | stew | badcfe: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 16:51.08 | stew | !etch upgrade kernel =~ s#If you are upgrading from a 2.4 kernel, make sure initramfs-tools is used instead of yaird to create the initrd.## |
| 16:51.08 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:51.14 | stew | that is no longer an issue |
| 16:51.29 | badcfe | stew: and how do i make sure initramfs-tools is used instead of yaird to create the initrd |
| 16:51.41 | badcfe | stew: as i upgrade from a 2.4 kernel... |
| 16:51.51 | stew | badcfe: nevermind that, it should be automatic |
| 16:52.07 | stew | badcfe: when you install the kernel, you should see it also installs initramfs-tools |
| 16:52.28 | badcfe | stew: alright. i see a package named kernel-image-2.6-386 is it 16 hiding as minor version? |
| 16:52.43 | stew | !depends kernel-image-2.6-386 etch |
| 16:52.49 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-386: depends on linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 16:53.01 | stew | !depends kernel-image-2.6-486 etch |
| 16:53.10 | badcfe | hmmm i have Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz |
| 16:53.38 | stew | badcfe: then you want to install linux-image-2.6-686 which probably depends on a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 16:53.58 | badcfe | stew: aha its those _vertual_ packages |
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| 16:54.11 | badcfe | s/vertual/virtual/ |
| 16:54.22 | stew | badcfe: yes |
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| 16:55.13 | stew | !depends linux-image-2.6-486 etch |
| 16:55.21 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-486: depends on linux-image-2.6.17-2-486 |
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| 16:55.33 | stew | nope looks like its still pointing to 2.6.17, that will probably change soon |
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| 16:55.49 | Azar | stew, so if one say uses 2.6.8 and upgrades to 2.6.16 still needs to pay attention to the replacement of initrd to initramfs ? |
| 16:56.14 | stew | Azar: no |
| 16:56.18 | badcfe | stew: dpkg scares me when i ask for 686: "not |
| 16:56.19 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.24 | stew | Azar: either yaird or initramfs-tools works fine for 2.6->2.6 |
| 16:56.25 | Azar | stew, thanks |
| 16:57.03 | stew | badcfe: is your cpu a 64 bit or a 32 bit cpu? |
| 16:57.04 | Azar | I did upgraded my other box in August from Sarge to Etch then immediately upgraded the kernel, I had no problem |
| 16:57.26 | badcfe | stew: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm pni monitor ds_cpl cid |
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| 16:57.54 | stew | badcfe: what the "model name"? |
| 16:58.05 | badcfe | ^^ Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz |
| 16:58.18 | stew | badcfe: that's not 64 bit |
| 16:58.24 | badcfe | cpu family is 15 and model is 4 |
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| 16:58.44 | itchi | I have some little trouble to add an man page to an package. I make an file 'debian/manpages' and there in point to the manpage. Then build the package with 'debuild -us -uc -b'. But after installing the package the man is not there. Have i forget somethings? |
| 16:58.46 | cydork | stew: why? |
| 16:58.58 | stew | well i'm not sure |
| 16:59.20 | badcfe | stew: so the conclusion is that 686 is good for me? (im scared because ill boot and the machine is in a closed very remote room) |
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| 17:00.11 | cydork | badcfe: i think it's a 64 bit.. but 686 should be good for you :) |
| 17:00.11 | zenwryly | I've setup my BIND server to be authoritative for my domains, but I'd also like to use it as a cache for my local networks. How would I do this without making it an open DNS server? |
| 17:00.20 | cydork | badcfe: and keep your fingers crossed :P |
| 17:00.42 | itchi | Should i add somethings to the 'debian/rules' file? |
| 17:00.46 | badcfe | cydork: i dont want to cross my fingers. anything more certain i could do? |
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| 17:00.50 | stew | itchi: you have to call dh_installman |
| 17:01.42 | itchi | stew: Ow yeah, okay, that i have forget to add. Great, thanks ;-) |
| 17:01.42 | rabbit7 | hey question to mdrun, how can i enable debian to run it on bootime |
| 17:01.42 | badcfe | stew, cydork: could i paste cpuinfo or some other command output to provide information sufficient to know is 686 is certainly good for me?? |
| 17:01.42 | cydork | badcfe: which kernel are you running now? |
| 17:01.42 | Azar | badcfe: you could google with the specs to make sure.. |
| 17:01.42 | rabbit7 | eg. i want to be able to boot from my software raid |
| 17:01.47 | badcfe | cydork: 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 |
| 17:01.58 | cydork | badcfe: on etch?? |
| 17:02.15 | badcfe | cydork: yeah. i just dist-upgraded from a sarge |
| 17:02.20 | Azar | ew |
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| 17:03.31 | blondie | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 17:04.02 | Azar | does not look nice, etch with a 2.4 |
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| 17:04.48 | cydork | badcfe: you know about the /msg dpkg 2.4->2.6 |
| 17:04.48 | stew | badcfe: that is, in fact a em64t it looks like |
| 17:05.22 | stew | hrm, 2.4->2.6 should probably warn about sata going hda->sda |
| 17:05.44 | itchi | stew: Thanks man, it's solved right now :-) |
| 17:06.13 | PupenoR | What DHCP server do you recommend where I can set static IPs based on MAC addresses ? |
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| 17:06.20 | petemc | dhcpd3 |
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| 17:07.05 | petemc | i have a script that populates the config when passed a name and a mac address |
| 17:07.05 | badcfe | stew: im glad i dont have sata on this machine |
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| 17:07.10 | badcfe | stew: its scsi (with a hardware 50 raid config) |
| 17:07.19 | cydork | badcfe: :) |
| 17:07.25 | jeward | ~. |
| 17:07.28 | apt | . |
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| 17:07.28 | ravenbird | . is probably . |
| 17:07.41 | stew | badcfe: it looks like you want linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 |
| 17:08.39 | PupenoR | petemc: would you care to share ? |
| 17:08.42 | badcfe | stew: do "Xeon/Pentium4's" match "Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz" ? |
| 17:08.54 | petemc | PupenoR: sure, but its very specific to my setup, you would need to modify it |
| 17:09.05 | PupenoR | petemc: yes, of course. |
| 17:09.07 | rabbit7 | what about mdadm ? anybody ? |
| 17:09.16 | petemc | PupenoR: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt |
| 17:09.16 | ruser | hey guys, i'm using unstable, and i've upgraded my firefox yesterday, which gave me icewheasel, now non of my extentions are working, and i don't see ANY menus, and my bookmarks are gone. anyone having similar problems? any idea? |
| 17:09.39 | blondie | unstable users can fix their own problems |
| 17:09.43 | blondie | ;P |
| 17:09.47 | ruser | blondie :) |
| 17:09.49 | Ronin | blondie: or should be able to ;) |
| 17:09.58 | badcfe | stew: i havent have success with my googling so far. why do you think -em64t-p4 is the one for me?? |
| 17:10.00 | ruser | blondie what if i'm new unstable? ;) |
| 17:10.10 | blondie | ruser: you shouldn't be using it if you can't fix it |
| 17:10.26 | blondie | it's like driving a car ;p |
| 17:10.28 | ruser | i certanly woulnd't mind some help :P |
| 17:10.50 | blondie | well unstable isn't supported here AFAIK |
| 17:11.02 | petemc | ruser: first thing to do is check the bts |
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| 17:11.20 | ruser | blondie does that mean you can fix EVERYthing in your car? Like can you re-assemble your engine without misallinging it and blowing? :P |
| 17:11.25 | secher | blondie: I disagree, you run unstable to learn how to fix problems. |
| 17:11.36 | blondie | ruser: I said driving, not being a mechanic |
| 17:11.45 | ruser | blondie but you said if you can't fix it :) |
| 17:11.50 | petemc | the majority, in reality, run unstable to get the newest software |
| 17:11.54 | blondie | ruser: I don't have a car anyway as they suck. |
| 17:11.54 | abrotman | secher: there's a certain level of knowledge you should probably have before you try that |
| 17:12.00 | blondie | !unstable |
| 17:12.00 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 17:12.15 | aadil | mea culpa: i run unstable too (wow, felt great after admiting it) |
| 17:12.17 | blondie | abrotman: learn them ;.; |
| 17:12.17 | badcfe | stew: why does it look like i should run linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 ? |
| 17:12.17 | aadil | ;p |
| 17:12.19 | secher | abrotman: Just the man I was seeking. got a second? |
| 17:12.20 | ruser | petemc bts? |
| 17:12.25 | Ronin | !tell ruser about bts |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | secher: my food is coming !~ what's up |
| 17:12.37 | secher | after lunch, I'll be around. |
| 17:12.41 | ruser | ah, wasn't sure if it was the right abreviation :) |
| 17:13.06 | secher | it's a Deb/php/midgard-cms/packaging problem. |
| 17:13.06 | abrotman | secher: okeedokee |
| 17:13.14 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 17:13.36 | Azar | the release-notes with instructions for upgrading from Sarge to Etch is already out :) |
| 17:14.01 | PupenoR | petemc: thank you. |
| 17:14.04 | tonsofpcs | anyone know why I have a task running by nobody: /usr/bin/find / ( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o -fstype afs -o fstype proc ......... ? |
| 17:14.34 | abrotman | Azar: good .. read them .. submit bugs! |
| 17:14.49 | aadil | tonsofpcs, u prefer it running under root? |
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| 17:14.51 | aadil | :p |
| 17:15.29 | stew | badcfe: the "lm" flag indicates its a emt64 aiui |
| 17:15.50 | rabbit7 | boot from software raid, should that work out of the box ? |
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| 17:16.07 | blondie | rabbit7: sure. |
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| 17:16.40 | rabbit7 | how do i debug when it doesnt `? |
| 17:16.46 | abrotman | google "linux cpu flags" |
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| 17:17.34 | rabbit7 | im on a dedicated box.. so i dont have a whole lot of screen output |
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| 17:17.53 | petemc | rabbit7: what kernel? |
| 17:17.53 | ruser | is it possible to get ff2 under debian? despite the trademark issues? |
| 17:18.00 | Cycne | I'll soon find out |
| 17:18.09 | tonsofpcs | aadil: why is it running? |
| 17:18.13 | rabbit7 | 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 17:18.18 | Ronin | ruser: yes |
| 17:18.26 | Ronin | ruser: go to mozilla site and dl it |
| 17:18.31 | petemc | rabbit7: raid 1? |
| 17:18.31 | publunch | Hello. I am trying to create a debian boot floppy so I can install on my old laptop. The documentation is just sending me round in circles. |
| 17:18.40 | publunch | $ dd if=filename of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync |
| 17:18.41 | aadil | tonsofpcs, which task/service is it? |
| 17:18.43 | rabbit7 | md: md driver 0.90.3 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 |
| 17:18.43 | rabbit7 | md: bitmap version 4.39 |
| 17:18.43 | badcfe | stew: so its a 64bit. ok. then is the -em64t-p4 suffix the right one then.. |
| 17:18.49 | stew | badcfe: yes |
| 17:18.53 | rabbit7 | thats what i get in dmsg |
| 17:19.02 | publunch | Where do I get <filename> from? |
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| 17:19.19 | petemc | publunch: debian.org |
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| 17:20.09 | publunch | petemc: I'd be grateful if you could be more precise. |
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| 17:20.37 | CountOlaff | hi all, i need help to install my video card |
| 17:20.37 | stew | !sarge floppies |
| 17:20.37 | dpkg | sarge floppies is probably http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 17:20.42 | stew | publunch: ^^ |
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| 17:21.09 | badcfe | stew: i dont find anything named kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4 in my apt-cache |
| 17:21.13 | publunch | thanks dpkg. |
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| 17:21.13 | dpkg | publunch: bitte |
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| 17:21.30 | stew | 12:07 < stew> badcfe: it looks like you want linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 |
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| 17:22.11 | badcfe | stew: no output of apt-cache search linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 |
| 17:22.23 | notech | any ops here that i could speak to? |
| 17:22.31 | stew | notech: you can /msg me if you like |
| 17:22.32 | Ronin | notech: lots of them, whats the problem? |
| 17:22.33 | badcfe | stew: but i find for example kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:22.40 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 etch |
| 17:22.44 | notech | thanks stew |
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| 17:23.09 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6-17-2-em64t-p4 etch |
| 17:23.11 | CountOlaff | i need to install a intel video card, how i do that |
| 17:23.29 | tonsofpcs | aadil: it's /usr/bin/find |
| 17:23.50 | aadil | dri.freedesktop.org CountOlaff |
| 17:23.50 | tonsofpcs | and it's running at 25911 ... |
| 17:23.50 | stew | badcfe: it looks like the i386 arch doesn't contain 64 bit kernels anymore, only the amd64 arch |
| 17:23.50 | badcfe | stew: maybe ill stay with -386 ? |
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| 17:23.57 | stew | badcfe: you'd want -686 not -386 or -486 |
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| 17:24.09 | tonsofpcs | can I kill it safely? |
| 17:24.17 | badcfe | but dpkg says its not the right one to use for me |
| 17:24.18 | blondie | killing causes death |
| 17:24.28 | blondie | "safe killing" is an oxymoron |
| 17:24.33 | badcfe | stew: ^ |
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| 17:24.36 | CountOlaff | aadil, THZ |
| 17:24.36 | aadil | tonsofpcs, well try to see what resources it is using, if it is trivial then kill it |
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| 17:24.49 | aadil | CountOlaff, if u can make it work lemme know |
| 17:24.50 | aadil | ^^ |
| 17:24.54 | tonsofpcs | aadil: well, the problem is I'm trying to unmount /dev/sda1 and it's trying to read it |
| 17:25.10 | CountOlaff | aadil, ok np :D |
| 17:25.44 | aadil | tonsofpcs, lsof else its kill! |
| 17:25.50 | badcfe | cydork: seems i should use kernel-image-2.6-386 on my xeon |
| 17:26.01 | aadil | kill em! |
| 17:26.05 | ruser | Ronin have you done the ff2 install form the mozilla page? how do i upgrade my current installtion, i got the tar.gz however it's just one folder with firefox package in it... don't see any install scripts in there. |
| 17:26.18 | cydork | badcfe: huh? |
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| 17:26.42 | tonsofpcs | aadil: lsof else its kill? huh? |
| 17:26.45 | aadil | ruser, it's just a ff2 binary |
| 17:26.53 | stew | badcfe: yes, its not the right one for you, but -686 will do |
| 17:26.54 | Ronin | ruser: no i havent but then i try to run nothing but apt-get but its just a basic binary |
| 17:26.57 | ruser | aadil there are libs and other folders |
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| 17:27.26 | aadil | tonsofpcs, i mean kill it if u are sure it is not doing any important operation |
| 17:27.27 | ruser | aadil and if i run the binary i still dont' see any menus no norhing |
| 17:27.32 | aadil | to see the operation use lsof |
| 17:27.33 | badcfe | stew, cydork: etch does not have the -em64t-p4 so for my Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz that currently runs on 2.4.27-2-386 ill install 2.6-386. its etch |
| 17:27.46 | aadil | ruser, running the binary runs ff2 |
| 17:27.58 | aadil | ruser, $./firefox |
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| 17:28.05 | stew | badcfe: etch does have -em64t-p4 but only in the amd64 arch and you are running the i38 arch |
| 17:28.23 | sigp239 | when i try to install the nvidia 3d driver it says I don't have the kernel source installed. but I did install linux-source-2.6.17 |
| 17:28.27 | badcfe | stew, cydork: so what do i do? -686 or -386? |
| 17:28.29 | stew | badcfe: and again, you should install -686 instead of -386 |
| 17:28.30 | aadil | ruser, make sure to close all old versions of ff running before running the new one |
| 17:28.30 | cydork | badcfe: 686 |
| 17:28.33 | rabbit7 | how does the md driver discover my raid ? or why doesnt it ? |
| 17:28.46 | grimboy | Hey, I'm having trouble enabling bitmap fonts. From what I understand they are disabled and I have to run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" to turn them on. When I run it I don't get any configuration interface, just a bunch of output saying how its clearing the font cache. I'm running with crippled fonts (BCI - it's just so pretty). |
| 17:28.51 | rabbit7 | its like mdrun isnt execute |
| 17:28.56 | badcfe | stew, cydork: ill go for it. and i will cross my fingers tho i hate it |
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| 17:29.27 | badcfe | stew, cydork: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 does all the magic? |
| 17:29.33 | cydork | badcfe: yep |
| 17:29.43 | ruser | aadil i did, i get some wierd version, without ANY menus, right click isn't working and can't see my bookmarks or anything else |
| 17:29.54 | badcfe | stew, cydork: ill check menu.lst just to be shure before reboot tho... |
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| 17:30.28 | aadil | ruser, did u close all other version of ff running before lanching it? |
| 17:30.30 | AKX^ | grimboy, have you tried the priority options of reconfigure? (man dpkg-reconfigure, can't remember them myself now.) |
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| 17:30.34 | stew | badcfe: do you use grub currently? |
| 17:30.40 | stew | badcfe: oh, i guess you do |
| 17:30.40 | sigp239 | how do I install the kernel source so I can install the nvidia 3d driver? |
| 17:30.54 | stew | badcfe: just make sure you have update-grub in postinst / preinst lines in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 17:31.07 | aadil | ruser, check permissions and ownership on the ff2 folder |
| 17:31.21 | Ronin | ruser: why not just wait for iceweasel? |
| 17:32.01 | tonsofpcs | killed and unmounted yay |
| 17:32.02 | tonsofpcs | thanks |
| 17:32.15 | CountOlaff | aadil, i start a ubuntu and the video card is not found |
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| 17:33.02 | blondie | CountOlaff: ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:33.19 | badcfe | stew: those lines are present. reboot would be i nice command now? |
| 17:33.20 | CountOlaff | i have debian |
| 17:33.25 | raf256 | debians net install seem to be messed up |
| 17:33.37 | ruser | if i want to roll back one package and i do have .deb for it, can i just dpkg -i file.deb or do i have to do something else? |
| 17:33.44 | Ronin | raf256: just how many times a day do you install debian anyhow? |
| 17:33.46 | raf256 | I cant get my debian testing net install to use local proxy |
| 17:33.53 | raf256 | Ronin: several recently |
| 17:33.54 | Ronin | CountOlaff: you said start a ubuntu |
| 17:33.59 | badcfe | stew: it gave me 2.6.17+2 i hope its considered good |
| 17:34.19 | CountOlaff | to the X11 in a ubuntu live cd |
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| 17:34.33 | Ronin | raf256: why? once is usually enough |
| 17:34.34 | CountOlaff | to look the conf in the X11 |
| 17:35.00 | raf256 | Ronin: because I dont like using the other boxes while they have no OS insalled? |
| 17:35.01 | badcfe | stew: and its pointing at /dev/sda1 wich is the current place. ill go for reboot |
| 17:35.13 | aadil | CountOlaff, u want to compile the dri driver for your debian right? |
| 17:35.23 | CountOlaff | yep |
| 17:35.32 | Ronin | raf256: and you have how many? i swear your in daily with this :) |
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| 17:36.02 | aadil | CountOlaff, u need to get the folders /dri and /Mesa as specified on the url i gave u |
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| 17:36.04 | aadil | using RCS |
| 17:36.16 | r121 | Hi, I'm trying to spin down an IDE hard drive with "hdparm -y" but the drive will only spin down when it is mounted, if it is unmounted the drive simply doesn't respond to the command. How can I unmount the drive AND spin it down? |
| 17:36.29 | Azar | sigp239: which Debian are you running? |
| 17:36.30 | aadil | and first u need to fulfill the dependencies as listed on the site |
| 17:36.39 | raf256 | Ronin: meany :) |
| 17:36.40 | sigp239 | Azar: debian 'etch' |
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| 17:36.56 | aadil | then u compile libdrm in /drm afterwards u compile the drivers in /Mesa |
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| 17:37.06 | DimmuR | Hi I'm trying to make debian ossim package on debian stable and i get following error: "syntax error near unexpected token `DEPS,'" any ideas what could it be? On debian unstable everything goes great |
| 17:37.06 | Azar | is debian etch using the nvidia one-liner? |
| 17:37.07 | ruser | if i want to roll back one package and i do have .deb for it, can i just dpkg -i file.deb or do i have to do something else? (sorry got disconnected from wifi) |
| 17:37.12 | aadil | then copy them to your Xorg folder |
| 17:37.12 | grimboy | AKX, Yeah, I've just tried "dpkg-reconfigure -plow --force fontconfig", just outputs a bunch of stuff about cleaning up different types of fonts then updating then then regenerating the cache. I'm wondering if I should revert to no BCI. |
| 17:37.13 | aadil | voila |
| 17:37.21 | stew | raf256: http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer |
| 17:37.30 | AKX | grimboy, Okies, no clue then. Good luck. |
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| 17:37.37 | diskus | damn anyone else had any memory problem in HP laptops? |
| 17:38.06 | grimboy | Dargh! |
| 17:38.11 | Azar | stew, can sigp239 use the nvidia one liner for etch? |
| 17:38.11 | cydork | Azar: /msg dpkg etch nvidia |
| 17:38.21 | cydork | Azar: nope |
| 17:38.22 | grimboy | Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:38.24 | stew | Azar: no idea |
| 17:38.44 | Azar | thanks cydork : sigp239 what cydork said |
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| 17:39.27 | simmerz | why would apt-get update fail while trying to download diffs using etch? |
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| 17:39.36 | simmerz | it gets to about 90% or so and then hangs |
| 17:39.38 | sigp239 | Azar: yea but i thought i wanted to try to the actual nvidia 3d driver instead of the one-liner... |
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| 17:40.57 | ruser | grrr. this is getting annoying... the wifi that is... |
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| 17:42.10 | Meggie | Hello everyone, please make sure you join #MiracleBlue. :) Thank you. |
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| 17:42.25 | cydork | !ops Meggie is spamming |
| 17:42.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Meggie is spamming |
| 17:42.28 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.12 | mentor | A new product from the SoyLent corporation? |
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| 17:44.24 | raf256 | ops should take care of that channel |
| 17:44.27 | raf256 | s/ops/staff |
| 17:44.44 | raf256 | that Meggie idiot is owner of channel |
| 17:44.47 | Ronin | raf256: why? its likely not even thiers |
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| 17:45.07 | raf256 | Ronin: but it is, Meggie who just spammed is owner (or at least op) on that channel |
| 17:45.10 | simmerz | why would apt-get update fail while trying to download diffs using etch? it just hangs at about 90% |
| 17:45.15 | aadil | vote meh for op! i will give free pron to all of j00! |
| 17:45.20 | aadil | ;) |
| 17:46.20 | cydork | raf256: you just proved that spamming works :P |
| 17:46.22 | Azar | so if Etch is installed from scratch, the nvidia driver nightmare starts all over... I did not know, since I upgraded from Sarge |
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| 17:46.46 | SmallR2003 | ugh |
| 17:46.53 | ruser | gah, still no menues... wtf... |
| 17:46.54 | SmallR2003 | it can be impossible to get hold of staff these days |
| 17:47.25 | sigp239 | can anyone please help me? i don't understand dpkg 'etch nvidia' entry |
| 17:47.36 | w0rd54 | vote for ops? |
| 17:47.39 | w0rd54 | lol gay. |
| 17:47.50 | streuner__ | !etch nvidia |
| 17:47.50 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 17:48.11 | aadil | w0rd54, u want the free pron or not? |
| 17:48.12 | aadil | :p |
| 17:48.13 | streuner__ | sigp239: just ignore the factoid |
| 17:48.32 | Azar | sigp239: it seems it gives you the site from where you can find and install nvidia |
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| 17:49.15 | ragamufin | I have an Ubuntu problem. At boot, as soon as Enterprise Volume Management System starts I begin to get read errors like this "[*digits*.*digits*] Buffer I/O error on device dm-o logical block *digits*" What could be the problem? |
| 17:49.24 | sigp239 | well it makes me uneasy...i really like to understand what i'm doing to my system before i do it. just ignoring an important-looking entry like that doesn't sit right with me |
| 17:49.27 | streuner__ | ragamufin: #ubuntu |
| 17:49.27 | deadcat | how do i make iceweasel's font (File Edit View History...) look bigger? all my gtk apps look fine. |
| 17:49.46 | ragamufin | streuner__, nobody to help there! |
| 17:49.55 | whaq | heh |
| 17:49.55 | streuner__ | !they don't know |
| 17:49.55 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:49.56 | cydork | !they dont know |
| 17:50.02 | cydork | bahh |
| 17:50.10 | ragamufin | sorry |
| 17:50.16 | aadil | hehe |
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| 17:51.28 | ruser | deadcat did you loose your menus and right click menus after upgrading to icewheasel? |
| 17:51.30 | denny | ragamufin: for friendlier advice, you could try ##linux and #linpeople - your problem looks fairly non-distro-related at a quick glance |
| 17:51.43 | streuner__ | !customer |
| 17:51.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 17:52.04 | deadcat | ruser: nope. everything works fine. just the fonts are too small. |
| 17:52.13 | CountOlaff | aadil, ok let me see |
| 17:52.18 | ruser | deadcat odd, i've lost all my bookmarks all the menus.... |
| 17:52.22 | deadcat | damn |
| 17:52.32 | ruser | deadcat even falling back didn't help :/ |
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| 17:53.21 | aadil | ruser, where exactly did u decompress the ff2 file and underwhich account? |
| 17:53.25 | deadcat | ruser: it fucked you up then eh? |
| 17:53.44 | ruser | aadil to temp, under my regular user. |
| 17:54.00 | ruser | deadcat yeah. big time. perhaps i should purge it. and try to reinstall |
| 17:54.01 | rabbit7 | i need your help: anybody please ? how do i make debian to assemble my raid on boot time ? |
| 17:54.16 | CountOlaff | aadil, i have a server with a intel board and the video card is integrate, do u think i need to compile the driver to get work the video? |
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| 17:54.32 | phogg | !u |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:55.02 | dserban | what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap |
| 17:55.03 | dserban | ? |
| 17:55.14 | sigp239 | E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
| 17:55.17 | sigp239 | what's up with that? |
| 17:55.39 | Azar | the way I understood from reading, everytime someone performs a major upgrade expects that certain settings and files to be replaced/erased? Therefore a backup is handy before the upgrade |
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| 17:56.02 | aadil | CountOlaff, i answered u some moments ago |
| 17:56.27 | CountOlaff | aadil, sorry ok. |
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| 17:56.58 | sigp239 | i need help installing nvidia 3d drivers....i've been trying to get this done for about 2 days now.... |
| 17:57.02 | aadil | CountOlaff, just following the link i gave u |
| 17:57.04 | sigp239 | anyone? |
| 17:57.16 | CountOlaff | ok thz |
| 17:57.17 | sep | sigp239, sarge, etch or sid ? |
| 17:57.27 | sigp239 | sep: etch i just installed it |
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| 17:57.42 | cydork | sigp239: nvidia-glx is not in etch. |
| 17:57.46 | sep | sigp239, nvidia-glx is not in etch atm becouse of package transitions |
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| 17:57.56 | sep | sigp239, you can use nvidia-glx from sid |
| 17:58.09 | sigp239 | hmm |
| 17:58.21 | sep | sigp239, just make sure you only get the package you need, and not _all_ of sid :) |
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| 17:58.29 | nothlit | Can someone tell me if dfsbuild has the same hardware detection capabilities as knoppix/kanotix? |
| 17:58.39 | sigp239 | this is really a lot more difficulty than i thought i would have to put up with |
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| 17:58.42 | ruser | aadil should i have done it under root instead? |
| 17:58.57 | aadil | not really |
| 17:59.06 | sep | sigp239, welcome to the world of development, :) it's a lot of fun |
| 17:59.12 | stew | yay! the weekend is here! |
| 17:59.16 | Azar | sigp239: nvidia is a non-free did you set up your sources.list lines to end with " .../ contrib non-free " ? |
| 17:59.16 | sep | sigp239, you'll emerge a richer beeing in the end :) |
| 17:59.17 | sigp239 | maybe i should try another distribution? |
| 17:59.21 | Ronin | stew: i wish |
| 17:59.26 | ruser | aadil either way, i'm purging the old packages, will see if this is of any help |
| 17:59.33 | aadil | hmm |
| 17:59.38 | sigp239 | Azar: yea i added contrib non-free to every line in my sources.list |
| 17:59.43 | stew | time to start celebrating the suppression of native american peoples! |
| 17:59.52 | cydork | stew: huh? |
| 18:00.02 | sigp239 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:00.03 | Azar | sigp239: ask about backports where you can get it from outside etch |
| 18:00.03 | sigp239 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:00.03 | sigp239 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:00.03 | sigp239 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:00.09 | Ronin | cydork: thanksgiving day, although its not exactly what stew says it is |
| 18:00.20 | ruser | aadil still no f* menus |
| 18:00.34 | aadil | well i use Opera |
| 18:00.36 | aadil | :D |
| 18:00.37 | sep | sigp239, if etch is too dificult you might want to stay with released versions and not development versions. no matter what distro you choose |
| 18:00.41 | aadil | best browsa eva |
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| 18:00.44 | sigp239 | Azar: well I just thought etch would be a good stable choice that still is somewhat up-to-date (unlike sarge)... |
| 18:00.56 | cydork | Ronin: :) |
| 18:00.59 | sigp239 | i was running sarge for over a year before this |
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| 18:01.14 | Azar | sigp239: yet, sarge can use nvidia-glx |
| 18:01.16 | sep | sigp239, etch is quite usable you was just unlucky in installing it when there is a nvidia transition :) |
| 18:01.16 | Ronin | ruser: aint sid fun |
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| 18:01.38 | sep | sigp239, transitions happen i usualy just delay upgradingh packages until they are over |
| 18:01.39 | Azar | sigp239: you can install and sit with Sarge for two more months |
| 18:01.41 | sigp239 | well i tried to install the nvidia 3d driver from www.nvidia.com but it kept complaining that i don't have the kernel source installed |
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| 18:01.53 | sep | !nvidia |
| 18:01.53 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 18:01.56 | aadil | ruser, well reinstall the old version from apt, and check permissions and ownership on the ff2 folders n files |
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| 18:02.44 | sep | sigp239, have you installed te nvidia modules as apt packages ? it it just the nvidia-glx you lack ? |
| 18:02.48 | Ronin | or just not use ff2 adn wait for icewhatever |
| 18:03.41 | sigp239 | sep: this is how far I have gotten: update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 18:03.44 | ruser | aadil apparently there was a background thread of firefox not dead for some reaosn |
| 18:03.46 | Azar | sigp239: nvidia-glx with Sarge, or sit with Etch without it for two more months |
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| 18:03.57 | ruser | aadil for some reason* and i had to kill it. them rm my profile |
| 18:04.02 | aadil | ruser, damnit! take a gun and kill it! |
| 18:04.05 | sep | sigp239, m-a a-i nvidia |
| 18:04.08 | aadil | kill em! |
| 18:04.14 | aadil | :) |
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| 18:04.35 | ruser | aadil where should i place the contents of the archive? |
| 18:04.36 | sigp239 | sep: m-a a-i nvidia doesn't work...it says: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ↑ |
| 18:04.37 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.37 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.37 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.07 | sep | sigp239, i use those packages from sid, |
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| 18:05.14 | aadil | ruser, anywhere u want |
| 18:05.18 | aadil | i place it in my home |
| 18:05.20 | sep | sigp239, i have set up pinning to save me the hassle. |
| 18:05.38 | ruser | aadil yeah done, the menus have appeared, but i want to restore my profile now :) |
| 18:05.54 | sigp239 | sep: what's pinning |
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| 18:06.23 | Ronin | !pinning |
| 18:06.23 | dpkg | somebody said apt-pinning was read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 18:06.30 | Phated | Eh, why not just add non-free and contrib? :) |
| 18:06.31 | sigp239 | sep: think i should install fedora or ubuntu? but i really wish debian etch would work for me |
| 18:06.39 | sulo | Hi, is there a command for printing information about the IDE devices in the machine? Like IRQ no, IO Port(s) etc.? |
| 18:06.47 | aadil | ruser, well that's out of my competence |
| 18:06.50 | aadil | :) |
| 18:06.50 | AciD | hdparm ? |
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| 18:07.17 | sulo | AciD, with what flags? have been reviewing the manpage, couldn't find appropriate flag... |
| 18:07.23 | sep | sigp239, well that's your own choise, personaly i think fedora is a pain in the arse, but you'r pleasures might differ from mine :) |
| 18:08.09 | Azar | sigp239: for a Debian beginner , Sarge is more than perfect. |
| 18:08.27 | Ronin | sigp239: refresh me, whats the debian problem you're having |
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| 18:08.37 | Azar | to jump on a testing, assumes you handle the stable very well |
| 18:08.51 | rabbit7 | any guru with mdadm online ? |
| 18:09.07 | sep | !tell rabbit7 about ask |
| 18:09.32 | iter | rabbit7: just ask, lots of people here use mdadm |
| 18:09.58 | rabbit7 | iter: simple and still complicated: my machine doesnt assemble its software raid on boot |
| 18:10.36 | sep | rabbit7, but you can assemble it manually ? |
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| 18:10.46 | rabbit7 | iter: i dont like typing my question over and over again: thats why im asking if anybody knows how that is handled on boottime |
| 18:10.54 | Seb | anyone know what to do with a .cue + .flac ? |
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| 18:11.39 | sigp239 | Ronin: I can't get the nvidia 3d drivers to install....I'm working my way through the "one-liner" but I can't get past the "m-a a-i nvidia" command which gives an error. |
| 18:11.40 | Azar | sigp239: any package you wish to install from "outside" your debian version archive will leave you wrestling with dependencies issues. |
| 18:11.54 | rabbit7 | sep: mdam assembles itself after the root partition is mounted so: md0 -> root only one dis md1 /var /home and /usr two disks |
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| 18:12.10 | Ronin | sigp239: and the error is? |
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| 18:13.11 | rabbit7 | sep: i wonder if i have to rebuild the initrd image so the system "knows" that i want to boot from raid |
| 18:13.16 | sep | rabbit7, assemble it as it should be, let it resync fully, reacreate the initrd, and dpkg-reconfigude mdadm |
| 18:13.21 | fasta | Is there a way to "escape" a full screen OpenGL application in Gnome to switch to another desktop? Or is that application specific? |
| 18:13.23 | sep | rabbit7, exactly. |
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| 18:13.38 | rabbit7 | nice thats what i was looking for thanks alot |
| 18:13.41 | sigp239 | Ronin: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ↑ |
| 18:13.41 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.41 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.41 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:14.03 | Ronin | sigp239: take the hint allready :) use a pastebin :) |
| 18:14.10 | sigp239 | k |
| 18:14.13 | Ronin | sigp239: youve added the contrib and non-free i presume |
| 18:14.14 | fasta | sigp239: read the wiki entry on nvidia |
| 18:14.31 | fasta | sigp239: assuming you run stable, that should work. |
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| 18:14.59 | sigp239 | Ronin: yea I think so unless I got something wrong... |
| 18:15.19 | Ronin | sigp239: useing pastebin.ca past your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:15.21 | sep | sigp239, you must use the nvidia packages from sid. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-efb11c2ded8b912df5e976aa3b5b4956edd87d6a |
| 18:16.27 | sigp239 | pastebin is being slow |
| 18:16.36 | sep | !paster |
| 18:16.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:16.59 | Ronin | pastebin.ca? .com sucks lately but .ca is normally fast |
| 18:17.20 | sigp239 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4574 |
| 18:17.23 | aadil | blame canada, as always |
| 18:17.39 | sigp239 | or http://pastebin.com/830755 |
| 18:17.39 | Ronin | aadil: ya it beats taking responsibility |
| 18:17.42 | w0rd54 | â–’ |
| 18:17.49 | w0rd54 | wtf is that symbol :P |
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| 18:18.15 | cydork | w0rd54: ohh that is "we dont care symbol"! |
| 18:18.25 | bronze_|| | 127 |
| 18:18.35 | aadil | looks like a noodle piece with a small dot to meh |
| 18:18.41 | smallfoot- | if anyone know a hardware company that done something good or bad such as cooperate with open source or anti-competive, please add it to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 18:18.52 | Ronin | smallfoot-: stop spamming |
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| 18:19.02 | abrotman | smallfoot-: stop doing that .. i've seen it quite a few times |
| 18:19.08 | Ronin | sigp239: did you also look at seps suppestion? |
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| 18:19.19 | abrotman | (which is an indicator of either how often he spams or how much time i spend here) |
| 18:19.30 | Ronin | abrotman: both |
| 18:19.32 | cydork | abrotman: both |
| 18:19.39 | w0rd54 | cydork: thanks asshead |
| 18:19.50 | w0rd54 | cydork: i just thought it was cool, never seen it on irc beofre |
| 18:19.53 | sigp239 | Ronin: yea I'm reading through the 15 pages of text that sep sent |
| 18:19.55 | sulo | !botsnack |
| 18:19.55 | dpkg | thanks, sulo |
| 18:20.06 | helo | whenever i try to plot with gnuplot, i get a bunch of errors like "unable to parse 'blue'. Using black." for every color, and the plot is just solid black |
| 18:20.09 | cydork | w0rd54: you are welcome :) |
| 18:20.21 | Ronin | sigp239: also when you added those lines to sources.list did you do an apt-get update before trying to install nvidia? |
| 18:20.34 | w0rd54 | cydork: apt-get a-sense-of-humor |
| 18:20.40 | w0rd54 | cydork: might need to update to unstable tho |
| 18:20.45 | sigp239 | Ronin: yes I did |
| 18:21.33 | abrotman | it does apply to sarge |
| 18:21.38 | blondie | it does not |
| 18:21.41 | abrotman | why not |
| 18:21.43 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 18:21.43 | dpkg | it has been said that java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 18:21.53 | abrotman | that pertains to sarge |
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| 18:21.57 | blondie | there is nothing called "java-package" in sarge |
| 18:22.00 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 18:22.05 | abrotman | !info java-package sarge |
| 18:22.08 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 18:22.17 | blondie | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 18:22.18 | blondie | lies |
| 18:22.19 | abrotman | it's in contrib |
| 18:22.23 | abrotman | do you have contrib sources ? |
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| 18:22.26 | blondie | sigh |
| 18:22.30 | abrotman | what?! |
| 18:22.45 | blondie | I'm cross ;( |
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| 18:22.55 | Varange | hi all |
| 18:23.14 | sigp239 | m-a a-i nvidia still doesn't work..... |
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| 18:23.26 | rabbit7 | sep: system doenst boot anymore |
| 18:23.42 | sep | rabbit7, what did you do to it ? |
| 18:23.55 | sep | recreated the initrd only ? |
| 18:24.27 | sep | rabbit7, also the error message helps. |
| 18:24.34 | Varange | a question for the experts. We have a Debian box that acts as the gateway. It forwards all requests to port 80 to an internal address (192.168.1.50). However, I'd like to add another webserver at 192.168.0.40, and have all port 80 requests to www.mydomain.com forwarded to this machine. How do I go about setting it up? |
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| 18:24.56 | abrotman | do you have two external IPs ? |
| 18:25.04 | Varange | By the way, I heard that Debian have a neat way fo doing iptables generally. If so, how? |
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| 18:25.10 | Varange | yes I do |
| 18:25.15 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 18:25.27 | vezult | Varange: if those domains point to the same ip, you can't do it. |
| 18:25.30 | abrotman | Varange: you can have iptables route two destination IPs to different interla IPs |
| 18:25.40 | Varange | the gateway has three NICs - 192.168.0.1, 192.168.1.1 and the external IP |
| 18:25.41 | rabbit7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.42 | sep | Varange, what abrotman said, + there are several nice iptable frontend in debian, my favorite is shorewall |
| 18:25.47 | blondie | vezult: you could probablpy make apache do it |
| 18:25.52 | rabbit7 | sep: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm; mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2; lilo |
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| 18:25.57 | Varange | abrotman, I thought so |
| 18:26.07 | rabbit7 | sep: dont get bootscreen :( its a dedicated server |
| 18:26.16 | sep | rabbit7, it's never ever made the initrd that way, i only use dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-(version) |
| 18:26.19 | Varange | ahh shorewall. How do I know if it's installed? |
| 18:26.29 | vezult | Varange: apt-cache policy shorewall |
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| 18:26.37 | Varange | vezult, thanks |
| 18:26.54 | rabbit7 | thanks sep |
| 18:26.57 | stephans | hey what's wrong with Ubuntu's compiler???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:27.02 | Varange | what about webmin? Is there a shorewall module for webmin? |
| 18:27.04 | stephans | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 18:27.09 | secher | it's not Debian's? |
| 18:27.12 | fasta | !ubuntu |
| 18:27.12 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 18:27.12 | sep | rabbit7, and i also use grub, to avoid having to mess with other boot media to recoveryboot |
| 18:27.14 | Varange | lol secher |
| 18:27.16 | vezult | stephans: dunno. ask them? |
| 18:27.17 | stephans | I need touse rdesktop 1.5 |
| 18:27.27 | Ronin | stephans: #ubuntu |
| 18:27.35 | stephans | ah! |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | Varange: you can ask #iptables for more info if you want |
| 18:27.38 | stephans | IC |
| 18:27.40 | stephans | sorry! |
| 18:27.45 | sep | Varange, i recomend you try to quite webmin, it's insecure and going out of debian from the next release |
| 18:27.46 | smallfoot- | Ronin, not spam :( |
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| 18:27.52 | Ronin | sure it si |
| 18:27.53 | smallfoot- | abrotman, glad you took notice, hope to see you contribute :p |
| 18:27.53 | Ronin | is |
| 18:28.01 | abrotman | smallfoot-: not funny |
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| 18:28.28 | smallfoot- | :( |
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| 18:28.59 | smallfoot- | but its non-profit, its no ads on the site, its a project started for colloboration so people can help to add companies that make FOSS drivers and such |
| 18:29.30 | Ronin | doesnt mean your not spamming it |
| 18:29.37 | smallfoot- | debian have DFSG which is very strict, if there are any hardware vendor which makes device drivers that are enough free to pass DFSG, please add them |
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| 18:29.42 | smallfoot- | :( |
| 18:29.42 | sep | smallfoot-, when it appere in my backbuffer 4 times it's definitifly spam |
| 18:29.52 | sep | :) |
| 18:30.06 | rabbit7 | sep: is grub to handle md0 ? |
| 18:30.07 | Ronin | anyhow, sigp239 hows it going? i notice you said it doesnt work |
| 18:30.08 | smallfoot- | well, its no on-join spam, and its not constantly, its just a little now and then to drive attention to it |
| 18:30.15 | Ronin | smallfoot-: enough |
| 18:30.18 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 18:30.29 | smallfoot- | but we need device drivers that are free software |
| 18:30.36 | smallfoot- | it sucks buy hardware and then there is no linux drivers for it |
| 18:30.38 | Ronin | no ones arguing that fact |
| 18:30.38 | sep | rabbit7, not sure if it does it automagicaly in any good way no. |
| 18:30.40 | smallfoot- | or only binary blobs available |
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| 18:31.06 | smallfoot- | is the debian project nagging on hardware vendors to open source their drivers? |
| 18:31.18 | Varange | abrotman, ahh thanks, that's useful |
| 18:31.24 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 18:31.25 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 18:31.28 | sep | rabbit7, but with grub you can boot it using the grubconsole. |
| 18:31.54 | abrotman | smallfoot-: did you get an lwn announcement ? |
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| 18:32.23 | Varange | sep, I'll look into that, thanks |
| 18:32.32 | fasta | !lwn |
| 18:32.33 | dpkg | i guess lwn is nothing |
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| 18:33.08 | smallfoot- | abrotman, im not sure, did i? |
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| 18:34.01 | abrotman | smallfoot-: lwn.net .. try to get it included in their news |
| 18:34.32 | smallfoot- | ah, thanks |
| 18:34.37 | smallfoot- | ill look into it |
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| 18:35.32 | sigp239 | so how do I get nvidia 3d drivers to work with debian etch? |
| 18:35.33 | smallfoot- | lwn.net is butt ugly, heh |
| 18:35.48 | smallfoot- | how do i get it included in their news? |
| 18:35.58 | smallfoot- | sigp239, maybe ask in #nvidia, i dont know... |
| 18:36.08 | smallfoot- | atleast nvidia got better drivers than ati :p |
| 18:36.12 | amphi | smallfoot-: use w3m - gives a nice consistent appearance to websites |
| 18:36.17 | sep | sigp239, so you added the sid sources ? |
| 18:36.18 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 18:36.29 | sigp239 | sep: no how do I do that? |
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| 18:36.59 | sep | sigp239, take the top 2 lines in your sources.list file, copy them to 2 new lines and change etch to sid on those 2 lines. |
| 18:37.22 | sep | sigp239, beware: you can now accidently upgrade everything to sid if you do something silly |
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| 18:38.08 | sigp239 | sep: okay I added those 2 new lines |
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| 18:39.15 | sep | sigp239, then you can read http://channels.debian.net/paste/4575 and write a simialr /etc/apt/preferences file |
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| 18:39.46 | helo | is gnuplot working properly for anyone using etch? |
| 18:39.50 | Louie` | Hello there, how do I do to configure so I get internet? |
| 18:40.07 | sigp239 | sep: similar or the same/ |
| 18:40.24 | Studman12 | Do you have your modem setup yet? |
| 18:40.27 | sep | identical |
| 18:40.33 | sep | if you dont want your own tweaks |
| 18:40.49 | Louie` | yea, I just need to run something to get it working I think |
| 18:41.02 | sigp239 | sep: okay I did that |
| 18:41.25 | sep | sigp239, apt-get update, |
| 18:41.40 | Studman12 | go into desktop then Administration and click on networking to see what it says about your modem |
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| 18:42.53 | smallfoot- | abrotman, i have contacted lwn by email, i hope they add it :) |
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| 18:43.30 | helo | if someone doesn't mind, could you try testing gnuplot in etch so i can try to determine whether it is just my installation? apt-get install gnuplot-doc; cd /usr/share/doc/gnuplot-doc/examples; gnuplot all.dem |
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| 18:43.49 | smallfoot- | PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 <letters@lwn.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table |
| 18:43.54 | smallfoot- | argh, letter bounced :( |
| 18:44.08 | helo | i've tried googling for the errors, but all of the hits are written in other languages |
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| 18:49.09 | al- | i just performed a dist-upgrade and no i can't modprobe any modules |
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| 18:50.18 | al- | i think the problem has to do with different versions of gcc being used to compile the kernel and the modules, but i don't know how to solve the problem |
| 18:50.35 | al- | s/no/now |
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| 18:50.52 | Marticus | good afternoon |
| 18:51.03 | al- | hi |
| 18:51.31 | Michael_ | i am trying to set upi sasl for postfix, and my log shows this: |
| 18:51.31 | Michael_ | Nov 22 12:29:23 epsilon postfix/smtpd[6387]: fatal: SASL per-process initializat |
| 18:51.31 | Michael_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.31 | Michael_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.31 | Michael_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:51.57 | Studman12 | heh |
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| 18:53.14 | X-plo | hi hello i've got a problem with kde |
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| 18:54.01 | X-plo | i've just installed kde eveerything is perfect but when i went to check control center there are nothing inside what can i do |
| 18:54.31 | sandman | PulseAudio versus eSound? |
| 18:54.45 | Ronin | !vagueness |
| 18:54.45 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 18:54.50 | Ronin | sandman: what about them |
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| 18:55.38 | sandman | Ronin: Well, I seem to be having difficulty making eSound pipe through ALSA |
| 18:55.48 | sandman | so it doesn't take exclusive control over sound. |
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| 18:56.09 | Michael_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.09 | Michael_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.31 | sandman | This is a problem since I have a lot of apps which pipe through ALSA. Anywho, I'd either like to install sound plugin to make eSound work through ALSA only, or check out this PulseAudio package, which I've never investigated before. |
| 18:56.44 | sandman | Just wanted to gather some opinions, whether it sucked or not, etc. |
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| 18:57.05 | Michael_ | hmm i get kicked when i paste my log :( |
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| 18:57.21 | Studman12 | your not allowed to paste into here |
| 18:57.24 | peterrooney | !paste |
| 18:57.24 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:57.40 | Studman12 | yep |
| 18:57.41 | Michael_ | hm, thanks |
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| 19:00.12 | Michael_ | I am trying to set up postfix with sasl, and get the errors pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4576 |
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| 19:00.58 | Studman12 | hey anyone here ever try the ntfs-3g driver on an external hard drive |
| 19:01.43 | Studman12 | just wondering, since i'm thinking of getting a new external and trying to figure out what I'm going to format the filesystem as |
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| 19:03.31 | petemc | Studman12: if you want to use it in both windows and linux, use fat |
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| 19:05.46 | sep | Michael_, does /etc/init.d/postfix check print anything useful ? |
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| 19:06.21 | pickcoder | !key |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters. you can then use "apt-key" to install it. |
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| 19:07.05 | Studman12 | Yeah, the problem I have with fat is I do a lot of DVD Authoring and FAT doesn't allow files over 4gb |
| 19:07.39 | Studman12 | so i would never be able to have an iso on the drive |
| 19:08.22 | w0rd54 | Studman12: lol |
| 19:08.30 | w0rd54 | Studman: you could store the files in vob format |
| 19:08.35 | w0rd54 | and not in ISO.... |
| 19:08.40 | w0rd54 | vobs are max like 1 gb I think |
| 19:08.46 | pickcoder | did the keys change? |
| 19:09.10 | Studman12 | yeah, i know i know, but I would rather have the ability than not have it you know what i mean? |
| 19:10.09 | cydork | pickcoder, dont think so.. |
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| 19:10.50 | tuv | what does this mean, and how can i fix it? ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:558:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave |
| 19:10.56 | pickcoder | I'm getting a public key error |
| 19:11.08 | pickcoder | for a specific id |
| 19:11.36 | pickcoder | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 19:11.40 | pickcoder | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 19:11.52 | sep | !tell pickcoder about no public key |
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| 19:12.22 | cydork | pickcoder, so it's the same from the key factoid.. |
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| 19:13.46 | pickcoder | strange |
| 19:15.18 | sandman | I was under the impression that Galeon was endowed with more features than epiphany, but yet it's memory footprint appears to be smaller... anyone familiar with this behavior? |
| 19:15.29 | nima | I quit gnomebaker as it was about to write a disk, and now my drive is locked up and won't eject |
| 19:15.32 | pickcoder | less is more? |
| 19:16.02 | PumpkinPie | how do I force an fsck on reboot? |
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| 19:16.17 | pickcoder | -F I think |
| 19:16.19 | Studman12 | nima, the easiest thing to do is shut off the computer |
| 19:16.43 | Studman12 | it'll eject after you restart |
| 19:16.49 | nima | Studman12, :-( |
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| 19:17.19 | Studman12 | yeah, i know, but in the time it takes to figure it out, you would have had it restarted already |
| 19:17.28 | Studman12 | :-) |
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| 19:18.18 | junix|work | how do i force flash plugin to install |
| 19:18.32 | cydork | !force |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | from memory, force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
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| 19:18.44 | pickcoder | PumpkinPie: shutdown -F -t now |
| 19:18.49 | pickcoder | unless my memory is failing |
| 19:18.52 | pickcoder | which could be true |
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| 19:18.52 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.59 | peteweez | Hey I think I just had a filesystem freak-out or something....I was doing "srm -r *" in /home/pete/.Trash and the computer froze. When I rebooted, logging in as pete through gdm failed, but root was OK. Once I stopped gdm, I logged in as pete via a terminal. startx failed, but xinit worked. However, a bunch of my filetype icons are missing. Any ideas? |
| 19:19.01 | Studman12 | you should be installing flash from apt-get |
| 19:19.07 | junix|work | concept10: yes |
| 19:19.19 | pickcoder | there's also a way to put a "1" in a file call force_fsck or something like that. Never done it. |
| 19:19.25 | concept10 | Studman12, is that a "free" flashplayer? |
| 19:19.40 | Studman12 | yeah |
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| 19:20.51 | concept10 | junix|work, it depends on which you intend on using. I use the one from macromedia, the beta 9 version. You just have to unpack that library and mv it to the respective directories |
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| 19:21.22 | junix|work | i jut want to force install so i can continue my updates |
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| 19:22.00 | concept10 | oh, you are dist-upgrading? |
| 19:22.08 | junix|work | no |
| 19:22.12 | junix|work | apt-get upgrade |
| 19:22.42 | concept10 | might be better if you post the error message |
| 19:22.55 | junix|work | i've lost use of the mouse.... |
| 19:23.07 | concept10 | have you tried apt-get -f install |
| 19:23.07 | Studman12 | yeah, i don't see why flash would be a problem |
| 19:23.09 | junix|work | its just saying there was an error while processing |
| 19:23.10 | kinneh | hi I have problems starting vmware workstation5.5.2/server1.0.1/console1.0.1 (tried one after the other not installed at the same time) after a recent apt-get upgrade, anybody here running vmware with unstable ? |
| 19:24.14 | peteweez | Nobody knows about my problem? Thanks anyway. *sigh* |
| 19:24.14 | pickcoder | vmware on unstable or unstable in vmware |
| 19:24.16 | junix|work | concept10: exit status 1 |
| 19:24.17 | concept10 | junix|work, try apt-get -f install |
| 19:24.17 | junix|work | i did |
| 19:24.18 | junix|work | i still got it |
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| 19:24.20 | kinneh | pickcoder: debianunstable as a host |
| 19:24.22 | tdn | Does this package http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/non-US/ettercap-plugins not exist any more? |
| 19:24.27 | pickcoder | I dunno if I'd want to run a VME on Sid, for any real purpose other than devel and testing |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | tdn: there's no more non-us |
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| 19:24.59 | cydork | heh kino is not kde based .. i was afraid to install that :P |
| 19:25.05 | concept10 | speaking of mice, i just bought a microsoft wireless keyboard mouse combo, instant recognition in sarge! I love the irony. (windows xp needed to download drivers) |
| 19:25.25 | SpeedyG | ghehe |
| 19:25.28 | tdn | abrotman, no. I know. But is there a package containing ettercap plugins? Or how do I get plugins for ettercap when this non-us package does not exist? |
| 19:25.32 | Studman12 | in sarge? wow! |
| 19:25.43 | abrotman | tdn: it may have gotten rolled into the other ettercap packages |
| 19:25.55 | pickcoder | wireless = PS/2 connectivity, right? |
| 19:25.57 | abrotman | tdn: compare file lists |
| 19:26.25 | concept10 | pickcoder, usb HID |
| 19:26.32 | tdn | abrotman, well... There are some plugins with the ettercap package, but they are just not that great. |
| 19:26.40 | pickcoder | all the ones I've purchased have been Ps/2 |
| 19:26.43 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 19:26.49 | pickcoder | which is no problem for Sarge |
| 19:26.52 | abrotman | tdn: right .. so compare the file lists |
| 19:27.00 | tdn | abrotman, actually it is ettercap-common that has the plugins. |
| 19:27.01 | Azar | I should start to move to wireless too... speaking of "gadgets" usb/memory sticks work with sarge? |
| 19:27.10 | abrotman | tdn: see .. they exist! |
| 19:27.16 | abrotman | Azar: yes |
| 19:27.19 | tdn | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 19:27.24 | rumpl | Anyone has a s3 savage here? And does anyone still has DRI with the xorg 7.1.1? Or did anyone made it work? |
| 19:27.26 | concept10 | pickcoder, I love it, now I can just plug this reciever in what ever box im working on |
| 19:27.28 | Azar | :) ^yay!^ thanks abrotman |
| 19:27.32 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 19:27.32 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 19:27.57 | pickcoder | concept10: I love the KVM switch here. Wish I had one at home. |
| 19:28.09 | axscode | !automount |
| 19:28.09 | dpkg | if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
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| 19:28.29 | Azar | everything goes nicer and easier by the day, thanks |
| 19:28.29 | axscode | !autofs |
| 19:28.29 | dpkg | autofs is, like, a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
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| 19:28.48 | concept10 | now if I could just somehow scratch microsoft off of this mouse |
| 19:28.49 | axscode | wohh.. |
| 19:28.55 | axscode | !ivman |
| 19:28.55 | dpkg | ivman is probably an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. It is currently in testing and unstable only. |
| 19:29.02 | pickcoder | concept10: sharpie |
| 19:29.10 | pstickne | concept10, why? you've already paid Bill ;) |
| 19:29.10 | concept10 | junix|work, sorry man, wish i could help |
| 19:29.16 | concept10 | pstickne, heh |
| 19:29.28 | rumpl | abrotman, does dpkg has anything to say avout xrog 7.1.1 and S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR (rev 05) ? |
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| 19:29.44 | axscode | !savage |
| 19:29.44 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html |
| 19:29.54 | concept10 | pstickne, i dont mind paying bill for hardware, software is another story |
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| 19:30.05 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 19:30.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 19:30.08 | abrotman | best i know of |
| 19:30.10 | Studman12 | junix, what happens when you apt-get check |
| 19:30.16 | abrotman | oh also ... |
| 19:30.17 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 19:30.17 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 19:30.34 | rumpl | :) |
| 19:30.45 | PumpkinPie | how do I force an fsck on reboot? |
| 19:30.54 | pickcoder | PumpkinPie: I answered you already |
| 19:30.57 | axscode | or buy another Video Card |
| 19:31.05 | concept10 | abrotman, did you cause that? |
| 19:31.05 | PumpkinPie | pickcoder: you said "I think" |
| 19:31.09 | pstickne | concept10, I think it's great that people buy software. Buying software = more jobs. And in a field I'm interested in. I don't agree with monopolization through questionable tactics and FUD but this can hardly be limited to the software industry. |
| 19:31.12 | pickcoder | man shutdown |
| 19:31.20 | rumpl | axscode, it's a laptop :) |
| 19:31.27 | rumpl | and i really don't have the money :) |
| 19:31.28 | pickcoder | -F _is_ the force option |
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| 19:31.34 | pickcoder | I was unsure about the -t now |
| 19:31.46 | axscode | rumpl.. very sad.. |
| 19:31.50 | pickcoder | but that's how I remember doing it |
| 19:31.50 | Flimqy | pstickne: More free software == more jobs, too. |
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| 19:32.16 | concept10 | pstickne, I will never buy another copy of windows. I will pay for OS X. |
| 19:32.37 | axscode | or Solaris |
| 19:34.06 | pstickne | concept10, so you do agree with buying software ;) It's up to consumers to choose where they want to spend their money. As much as I occasionally bad-mouth the current state of capitalism, there are many good things about a relatively free-market economy. |
| 19:34.07 | Studman12 | anyone here know how to get obsidian working for xchat? |
| 19:34.34 | pstickne | Flimqy, hmm? |
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| 19:34.56 | Flimqy | pstickne: I'm just making the point that saying that "people who buy software create jobs" is not a valid reason to buy software. |
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| 19:35.01 | Studman12 | pstickne, everything is good about a free market, its the alternatives that are flawed |
| 19:35.22 | Azar | I don't mind contributing financially to a software project that offers me exactly what I need/want and does not pushes crap on me saying " we know what you need " |
| 19:35.26 | concept10 | pstickne, I keep a windows box for music production, I have a older box with a Trident 3dimage 975 graphics card. I couldnt find a driver for nothing. I enjoy the linux method of driver modules. It almost seems as nothing is ever obsolete (I know this isnt 100% true) but still.... |
| 19:35.30 | Flimqy | pstickne: There are many people who make money producing free software. so using free software also creates jobs. |
| 19:35.32 | Studman12 | consumers have the choice, how else do you want it |
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| 19:35.59 | Flimqy | concept10: I think Trident graphics cards were obsolete on arrival :p |
| 19:36.42 | Sempron | i'm trying to install apache on my debian 4.0 system, but i get this error please take a look:http://pastebin.ca/255234 |
| 19:36.52 | abrotman | concept10: nerp |
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| 19:37.01 | abrotman | concept10: for music?! |
| 19:37.02 | Azar | I tend to like old(obsolete) hardware drivers as the older they are the more likely bug-fixed, than the newest one that are also the buggiest ones |
| 19:37.03 | concept10 | Flimqy, well, i have to use that junk until i get more money. In the meantime, I feel sorry for windows users that have to find old drivers. With linux, they are all there. |
| 19:37.14 | kinneh | found the solution to the unstable+vmwareproblem http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=512257 |
| 19:37.27 | Flimqy | concept10: Aye. My parents had a Voodoo Banshee that recently broke in XP. Still works like a champ in Linux. |
| 19:37.32 | GrimWald | Sempron > try apache2 |
| 19:37.34 | Azar | for me the newest=the buggiest |
| 19:37.54 | pstickne | Flimqy, people who buy software move around money. people who pay for tech support on "free software" move around money. |
| 19:37.55 | novata_peleona | does anyone how to do with this error when i try to install wiith apt-get: http://pastebin.ca/255223 |
| 19:37.57 | cafuego | Studman12: read up on the choice you have when a monopoly arises, then try againe xplaining how a fully free amrket is good. |
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| 19:38.09 | concept10 | This morning I was bombarded with these ad infested JUNK windows drivers pages while looking for those drivers |
| 19:38.12 | pstickne | Flimqy, people who use free software but never pay for extra services/support do neither. |
| 19:38.15 | Flimqy | pstickne: There are other ways to make money with free software. |
| 19:38.17 | pstickne | s/neither/not/ |
| 19:38.24 | Flimqy | pstickne: That's not always true. |
| 19:38.26 | Azar | mr cafuego :) nice to see you back |
| 19:38.54 | Sempron | >GrimWald: Apache 2 works! =) why do you have to type apache2 ? |
| 19:38.54 | pstickne | Flimqy, tech support -> any ancillary services |
| 19:38.54 | Studman12 | how does microsoft have a monopoly?, your using linux right? so you have the choice |
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| 19:38.55 | GrimWald | cause you're using unstable Sempron |
| 19:38.55 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:38.55 | grimboy | Hey, I'm having trouble enabling bitmap fonts. From what I understand they are disabled and I have to run "dpkg-reconfigure -plow --force fontconfig" to turn them on. When I run it I don't get any configuration interface, just a bunch of output saying how its clearing the font cache. I'm running with crippled fonts (BCI - it's just so pretty). |
| 19:38.59 | Flimqy | pstickne: People who use free software and never pay for or use additional services often operate a business with lower operational costs, thus allowing them to more effectively serve their own customers, thus more effectively moving money around. |
| 19:39.05 | sunnyhours4130 | Can anyone help me with a new install of KnoppMyth? there's a problem with gdm |
| 19:39.06 | jjazz | Studman12: The law seems to define 'monopoly' differently than you do. |
| 19:39.13 | abrotman | sunnyhours4130: ask #knoppix |
| 19:39.14 | CHodapp | They have a certain amount of control over the market and are using it to stifle competition. |
| 19:39.19 | sunnyhours4130 | ok |
| 19:39.21 | Flimqy | pstickne: But even so, software does not exist to move money around. |
| 19:39.21 | concept10 | People say that one of the biggest obstacles for Linux on the desktop is the driver situation. I don't subscribe to this notion |
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| 19:39.27 | Flimqy | pstickne: That's what the stock market is for. |
| 19:39.30 | Studman12 | how? |
| 19:39.31 | Flimqy | pstickne: Software exists to fix problems. |
| 19:39.35 | pstickne | Flimqy, households supply money |
| 19:39.47 | Azar | because most drivers are buggy enough for any OS |
| 19:40.10 | Flimqy | pstickne: I suppose you would also advocate against people having vegitable gardens, because it reduces income to the grocery store chains? |
| 19:40.34 | pstickne | Flimqy, ... no, but point taken. |
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| 19:40.49 | Sempron | <GrimWald> i am using unstable indeed. Does this mean that this is dangerous for attacks? |
| 19:40.52 | cafuego | economic rationalism - is there anything it can't destroy? :-) |
| 19:41.11 | Azar | Sempron: haha no, it is UNSTABLE |
| 19:41.16 | CHodapp | Here's my basic view: They're stifling the competition in the market and this has very negative consequences. |
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| 19:41.24 | CHodapp | Whether the law calls it a monopoly or not... |
| 19:41.39 | Flimqy | Here is my basic view: This damn perl script is broken and I don't know why. |
| 19:41.51 | Sempron | allright. But ehhm I got the same problem with installing mysql |
| 19:41.54 | GrimWald | not at all Sempron ;) just that the system you're using is still in devel and can break sometimes (never happened to me) |
| 19:42.20 | Azar | Sempron: with unstable magic happens , things start to dissapear, freeze, don't open, dont exit... stuff like that |
| 19:42.23 | GrimWald | mysql5-server for mysql |
| 19:42.28 | Studman12 | CHodapp, so what do you suggest we do, its there right! Its up to the consumers to change it, and change it they will |
| 19:42.47 | Studman12 | Everytime in history that we have tried to regulate businesses in the economy it has backfired, |
| 19:42.57 | Studman12 | the railroad industry in the US is a great example |
| 19:42.59 | CHodapp | just like the Great Depression |
| 19:43.11 | Studman12 | the mining industry in Great Britain is aother example |
| 19:43.18 | CHodapp | Oh, wait, that's what happened when we let the market regulate itself. |
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| 19:43.39 | GrimWald | (rather mysql-server-5.0 ) |
| 19:43.41 | SmallR2003 | the great depression? oooh! that's the one you're still recovering from ;) |
| 19:43.49 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:43.57 | Studman12 | CHodapp, no it isn't, we had just created the Federal Reserve to regulate the economy, something that didn't exist before 1912 |
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| 19:44.17 | grimboy | Wow, I've just figured out my problem. It's fontconfig-config. What the hell is up with that! Config-config-config, meta configuration?!? I just want it all in one place. |
| 19:44.19 | Sempron | GrimWald : E: Couldn't find package mysql5-server |
| 19:44.21 | Studman12 | there were also people buying on margin artificially inflating the stock market |
| 19:44.26 | abrotman | Sempron: he corrected himself |
| 19:44.36 | GrimWald | mysql-server-5.0 , my mistake. |
| 19:44.52 | novata_peleona | does anyone how to do with this error when i try to install wiith apt-get: http://pastebin.ca/255223 |
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| 19:45.56 | michael117 | Does anyone know how I could setup a user account I have for my dad to be in Polish, while keeping my account's interface in English? I'm using Gnome, by the way. |
| 19:46.19 | Growly | bye then |
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| 19:46.41 | biopyte | hi. testing here. apt-get update tells me 'There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 19:46.41 | biopyte | A70DAF536070D3A1'. any idea? or just wait some days and try again? |
| 19:46.54 | Sempron | it seems that the package mysql server 5 hash dependencies wich have dependencies too =( http://pastebin.ca/255249 |
| 19:46.55 | cydork | biopyte, see the topic.. |
| 19:46.57 | abrotman | biopyte: /topic |
| 19:47.17 | Ronin | we ought to get dpkg to msg folks the topic on joins i swear |
| 19:47.27 | abrotman | msg or show ? |
| 19:47.33 | Ronin | either |
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| 19:48.15 | biopyte | dpkg no public key |
| 19:48.15 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 19:48.18 | biopyte | sorry |
| 19:48.55 | biopyte | cydork,abrotman: thx |
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| 19:53.30 | novata_peleona | where to find qparted? i cant find out it¿? |
| 19:53.49 | novata_peleona | with apt-cache seach |
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| 19:56.54 | jharrisonwk | novata_peleona: qtparted is in sid |
| 19:57.10 | novata_peleona | i am ethc |
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| 19:57.32 | Sempron | > i try to install msql but i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/255249 |
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| 19:58.22 | tonyb2006 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/iceweasel .. Quoth the server, 404. |
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| 20:02.30 | minerale | Hey rado, is it possible to have tin connect to more than one news server? I post to certain newsgroups on two different servers, Is this possible in tin? |
| 20:03.59 | minerale | s/rado/everyone who uses tin |
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| 20:06.37 | eldowan | I'm looking for a simple, easy to use tftp server for a one-time backup of a cisco router. Is there any recommended tftp server? |
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| 20:07.50 | Azar | eldowan: I have no idea but could you look in the packages list to find one? |
| 20:08.34 | eldowan | Azar: Of course. I was just looking for recommendations. I have had very good luck with #debian recommended software |
| 20:08.58 | Azar | oh I see.. it seems everyone is having breakfast, lunch or dinner now |
| 20:09.19 | eldowan | Yes, that is what it looks like. |
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| 20:09.51 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages << well browse the list for your debian version meanwhile |
| 20:10.24 | Azar | :) that how I got me my games, nobody would recommend here |
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| 20:11.37 | eldowan | Azar: Thanks. I was planning on doing an aptitude search though. Did I hear that you've been on debian since slink last night? |
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| 20:12.45 | Azar | eldowan: no I started and stayed 3 years with woody, upgraded to sarge last year, and now waiting for Etch |
| 20:13.40 | eldowan | Azar: Ahh. Must be confusing you with someone else. But you were the chain puller about noobs yesterday, yes? |
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| 20:13.55 | Azar | ah yes I was the joker |
| 20:14.11 | eldowan | I guess I've been with debian since just before sarge was released, and have mostly stuck with etch since then. |
| 20:14.25 | eldowan | you started quite a nice little flame session ... :) |
| 20:15.10 | Azar | eldowan: woody was difficult for a newbie like me to install and learn, but now I am glad I used it: it is an educative curve and I am happy I went through it |
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| 20:15.27 | diskus | my first debian was bo (1.3) |
| 20:15.58 | Azar | eldowan: most people who disagree with me are right: not everyone is ready and willing for a dramatic change. I moved to Debian because I needed a radical change |
| 20:16.07 | eldowan | Azar: I'm still very green around the edges, and even in the middle too. Would you suggest playing with woody? |
| 20:16.07 | diskus | but potato was what I used more |
| 20:16.45 | Azar | eldowan: no need, all you need (if you want to sit on the driver seat) is take time daily and study the general structure, use command line and find the magic |
| 20:16.53 | eldowan | Azar: I'm there with you. I was looking for quite a change, and remember loving DOS for it's CLI. Then I read about debian and I'm still trying to learn. |
| 20:16.59 | Azar | eldowan: try to ignore the gui for a while |
| 20:17.49 | eldowan | Azar: Most things I try to do at cli. I do use KDE, but mostly for eye candy. Any configuration or managment I prefer the cli. |
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| 20:18.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:18.12 | eldowan | yes? |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | are you two arguing the same side of the discussion ? |
| 20:18.54 | eldowan | abrotman: I was asking a couple of questions. |
| 20:19.01 | abrotman | eldowan: there are two IIRC .. atftp and tftp or something like that ... i've only ever tried to use them as install sources |
| 20:19.13 | eldowan | abrotman: thanks. |
| 20:19.23 | abrotman | eldowan: i think i ended up with better luck on atftp |
| 20:19.40 | Azar | eldowan: this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices and this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html were my first as a total linux beginner... then I dived into Debian manuals for a more Debian-specific issues |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | !info atftpd sarge |
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| 20:19.48 | dpkg | atftpd: (advanced TFTP server), section net, is extra. Version: 0.7-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 255 kB |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | and there's a client package too |
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| 20:20.08 | Azar | :) oh abrotman, that "wtf" is like a warning flag for me |
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| 20:20.11 | eldowan | abrotman: I remember trying to use one of those and having no luck. I had to resort to using a free windows tftp server as it had to be done in like 20 minutes.... |
| 20:20.27 | h3sp4wn | tftpd-hpa is pretty easy to use (but the atftp client I think it better) |
| 20:20.51 | deadcat | what do those thing with the weather reports of a certain city on some websites? |
| 20:21.03 | deadcat | what do they called? |
| 20:21.05 | eldowan | But any of these should be able to take a connection from a cisco router, correct? |
| 20:21.25 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: To reflash ios ? |
| 20:21.32 | deadcat | or do i have to write my own codes? |
| 20:21.38 | abrotman | deadcat: huh ? |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | web browser ? |
| 20:21.45 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: I think it is ios, it is a small piix T1 router. |
| 20:21.54 | eldowan | deadcat: something like weatherbug? |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | deadcat: oh .. you mean the ones that use the airport code? |
| 20:22.00 | deadcat | eldowan: kinna like those |
| 20:22.02 | abrotman | !weather PHL |
| 20:22.04 | dpkg | I can't find station code "PHL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:22.17 | abrotman | deadcat: does that help ? |
| 20:22.17 | deadcat | let me find an example |
| 20:22.24 | Azar | deadcat: they are called weather banners and link to a specific weather site... I never like the idea, but then again, I might be paranoid |
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| 20:22.50 | abrotman | !weather KPHL |
| 20:22.52 | snowrichard | hello |
| 20:22.53 | dpkg | Philadelphia, Philadelphia International Airport, PA, United States; (KPHL) 39-52-06N 075-13-52W 18M; last updated: 2006.11.22 1954 UTC; Dew Point: 28.9 F (-1.7 C); Precipitation last hour: A trace; Pressure (altimeter): 30.19 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 59%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 42.1 F (5.6 C); Visibility: 7 mile(s); Weather: Light rain; Wind: from the NNE (030 degrees) at 23 MPH (20 KT) |
| 20:22.55 | eldowan | Azar: I hope you don't think that a bad forecast will rain on your website. |
| 20:22.57 | deadcat | Azar: ah. thanks |
| 20:23.05 | pickcoder | deadcat: look at weather-util |
| 20:23.11 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: tftpd-hpa all you need to do is install it and then edit /etc/default/tftpd-hpa (unhash the 2 lines RUN_DAEMON and options) then put the stuff into /var/lib/tftpboot (or wherever you change it to) |
| 20:23.29 | Azar | eldowan: no for me those kind of "niceties" on a website look like a wide open door |
| 20:23.33 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: Much appreciated. |
| 20:23.48 | eldowan | Azar: How do you mean? easily crackable? |
| 20:23.50 | snowrichard | I've got a new install of debian sarge (stable) and I would like to know how to set up an HP Deskjet USB 3930 printer. |
| 20:24.16 | Azar | eldowan: not quite like that, just an opportunity for malware |
| 20:24.19 | deadcat | pickcoder: this is for a website.. not a package.. |
| 20:24.25 | pickcoder | deadcat: you can specify the METAR id of any airport |
| 20:24.25 | cydork | !linuxprinters |
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| 20:24.31 | cydork | !linux printers |
| 20:24.43 | cydork | damn |
| 20:24.55 | pickcoder | deadcat: wrap it in HTML |
| 20:25.03 | cydork | snowrichard, /msg dpkg printers |
| 20:25.05 | eldowan | Azar: Ahhhh. Yes, I do hate malware. |
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| 20:26.07 | snowrichard | dpkg doesn't seem to tell me anything :) |
| 20:26.30 | abrotman | !printer |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | i heard printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
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| 20:30.09 | odla | what's a printer? |
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| 20:30.15 | Azar | :) |
| 20:30.24 | odla | oh thanks abrotman for telling me |
| 20:31.39 | minerale | greetings, I am trying to find some documendation on the construct of the /etc/news/server file -- where may I find them? |
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| 20:32.31 | jelly | minerale: I thought you just put fqdn of your news server in there |
| 20:32.54 | eldowan | I guess a printer is the little glyph of a printing device on a windows system... |
| 20:33.24 | minerale | jelly: I have multiple servers and username / passwords for them |
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| 20:33.56 | Azar | hey abrotman is gone now we can play :) |
| 20:34.46 | eldowan | Eye spy with my little eye.... |
| 20:34.48 | jelly | minerale: I don't think this can be handled in that file. |
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| 20:35.16 | minerale | jelly: where can I find documentation on this? |
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| 20:36.09 | minerale | jelly: which client do you use? tin? |
| 20:36.21 | jelly | minerale: Tried debian policy yet? |
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| 20:36.51 | jelly | minerale: heh, I do use tin actually. |
| 20:36.52 | minerale | jelly: yeah, I found it: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html |
| 20:37.14 | minerale | i'm still confused and not sure where to put my authentication info |
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| 20:39.08 | solars_ | where should I store my setkeys cmds? |
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| 20:39.46 | raphi_92 | bye tlm |
| 20:39.55 | jelly | minerale: dunno, I used to use aliases with different cmdlines for different servers. I now use noffle to grab some of the less used servers locally. |
| 20:41.14 | minerale | jelly: does tin allow one to give username info via cmdline ? |
| 20:41.14 | jelly | minerale: noffle has one big drawback though - database article is in gdbm which is limited to max 2GB. |
| 20:41.25 | deadcat | Azar: know a good place for weather banners? |
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| 20:42.44 | jelly | minerale: tin -A forces authentication |
| 20:42.56 | jelly | minerale: but it still uses a prompt. |
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| 20:45.54 | mark````` | hi, if i have a testing box with apache 2.2.3 installed, how can i force apt to install an older (2.0.x) version of apache? |
| 20:46.21 | dooglus | what would be the best way of installing 'gaim' in unstable? |
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| 20:46.43 | dooglus | the usual "apt-get install" route doesn't seem to be an option at the moment because of a dependency issue |
| 20:46.54 | dooglus | The following packages have unmet dependencies: gaim: Depends: gaim-data (= 1:2.0.0+beta5-2) but 1:2.0.0+beta5-3 is to be installed |
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| 20:47.14 | Azar | deadcat: it's been four years I have abandoned trying to make websites or forums, I do not remember where, but I will try look for you |
| 20:47.37 | eldowan | Azar: What is deadcat trying to do? |
| 20:47.59 | dooglus | eldowan: he's trying to decide weather to use banners or not I think |
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| 20:48.38 | eldowan | dooglus: Ahh. thanks. which version of gaim are you trying to install? |
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| 20:49.00 | dooglus | eldowan: 1:2.0.0+beta5-2 |
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| 20:49.59 | eldowan | !info gaim-data |
| 20:50.04 | dpkg | gaim-data: (multi-protocol instant messaging client - data files), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5022 kB, Installed size: 14936 kB |
| 20:50.11 | dooglus | !info gaim-data |
| 20:50.14 | dpkg | gaim-data: (multi-protocol instant messaging client - data files), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5022 kB, Installed size: 14936 kB |
| 20:50.15 | deadcat | Azar: thanks. the closest/best looking/basic one i can find is from accuweather.com |
| 20:50.19 | Azar | deadcat: well try this one: http://www.bellflowerwxstation.com/livewxbanner.htm |
| 20:50.22 | eldowan | dooglus: get the package from sid? |
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| 20:50.36 | tonyb2006 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnsNEcZlG-M <-- 60,000 volts across a windows cd |
| 20:50.36 | cyberkni | Hi |
| 20:50.42 | deadcat | Azar: nice thanks |
| 20:50.53 | dooglus | eldowan: the problem is that for gaim-data I have gaim-data: Installed: 1:2.0.0+beta5-3 |
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| 20:51.12 | eldowan | dooglus: I would remove that package, and get the beta5-2 |
| 20:51.21 | eldowan | tonyb2006: How did your graphics end up last night? |
| 20:51.25 | dooglus | eldowan: how? using wget? or what? |
| 20:51.36 | Azar | deadcat: or this one looks more pro: http://www.weatherreports.com/add_to_your_site.html |
| 20:51.50 | tonyb2006 | eldowan: what graphics? |
| 20:51.58 | eldowan | dooglus: packages.debian.org there will be a form to fill out to "search package directories" |
| 20:52.22 | eldowan | tonyb2006: I probably have the wrong person. I wasn't helping you with nvidia and compiz last night? |
| 20:52.33 | tonyb2006 | nope |
| 20:52.33 | tonyb2006 | no tme |
| 20:52.41 | davFr | I have a strange behavior in APT with the resolution of package priorities. is there an expert/developer around? |
| 20:52.43 | eldowan | tonyb2006: Whoops. sorry. |
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| 20:53.03 | eldowan | tonyb2006: Are you running beryl? |
| 20:53.10 | eldowan | dooglus: Were you able to find it? |
| 20:53.18 | dooglus | eldowan: packages.debian.org thinks that -1 is the current version, dpkg thinks -2 is the current version, and the repositories think -3 is the current version... |
| 20:53.20 | tonyb2006 | eldowan: on one of my computers, with nvidia and no Xgl |
| 20:53.25 | dooglus | eldowan: all 3 disagree with each other! |
| 20:53.41 | eldowan | dooglus: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim-data |
| 20:53.51 | dooglus | eldowan: yes, you see "-1" in the version name? |
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| 20:54.22 | eldowan | dooglus: check this out. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gaim-data&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 20:54.22 | Guerin | davFr: explain. |
| 20:54.32 | eldowan | dooglus: it shows unstable as 5.2 |
| 20:54.43 | eldowan | s/5.2/5-2/ |
| 20:55.13 | dooglus | eldowan: when you visit "http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim-data", you see "-2" in big writing at the top? |
| 20:55.21 | dooglus | eldowan: 'cos I see: "Package: gaim-data (1:2.0.0+beta5-1)" |
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| 20:56.41 | davFr | Guerin : apt.conf contains APT::Default-Release "testing" ; sources.list contains testing & unstable repositories ; /etc/apt/preferences give a priority of 99 to unstable packages. |
| 20:56.52 | eldowan | dooglus: When I do a search, unstable shows 5-2. When the link is followed, it shows 5-1. testing shows as 5-1 on the search page, and 4-4 on the actual page.... |
| 20:56.55 | cyberkni | I am trying to install Debian/sparc on my sparcstation 20. I downloaded the latest netinstall cd and it works right until after the hardware autodetection. After that point the debian-installer quits and just keeps trying to start itself up. |
| 20:56.58 | davFr | Guerin : the unexpected behavior is : |
| 20:57.04 | himmelstr_utz | is there any kind of work around when you got too little hd space too unrar a bunch of .rar files that are all connected to each other -- like to remove each of them when they have been extracted to the BLA.avi? (do I make sense? no? well well well) |
| 20:57.04 | Guerin | davFr: don't paste |
| 20:57.15 | dooglus | eldowan: and "apt-cache policy" shows 5-3 |
| 20:57.40 | Guerin | himmelstr_utz: delete some porn |
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| 20:57.53 | eldowan | dooglus: That is just plain crazy. I wonder if a bug should be filed, or if it is just waiting for a system update. |
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| 20:57.59 | yauss | How do i change locales? Ive done 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and then restarted server -- its still swedish -- whats wrong? |
| 20:58.20 | davFr | Guerin : apt-get dist-update wants to install sysvinit-utils from unstable, whereas it was not previously installed and is not a dependency of an installed package. |
| 20:58.20 | himmelstr_utz | Guerin: I'll delete your mom first. |
| 20:58.57 | Guerin | himmelstr_utz: please explain what you having too much warez to wank over has to do with debian. |
| 20:59.06 | eldowan | yauss: I think there is a way to reconfigure with a different priority. you might check man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:59.08 | davFr | Guerin : on the other hand, sysvinit-utils is a dependency of unstable version of sysvinit (which is not installed yet) |
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| 20:59.30 | Guerin | davFr: would it be installed by the dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:59.42 | himmelstr_utz | guerin: this is part of the common licensed GNU movies! hell yeah! |
| 20:59.47 | yauss | eldowan: well, i still need to change the langague for the current users. |
| 20:59.55 | Guerin | davFr: output of apt-cache policy sysvinit-utils and sysvinit |
| 21:00.00 | streuner | himmelstr_utz: why don't you go to hell? |
| 21:00.00 | yauss | ive choosed to use EN_US on the new users that is begin created. |
| 21:00.08 | yauss | but i dont know how to change for example root. |
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| 21:00.23 | Guerin | himmelstr_utz: sure it is, that's why it's being distributed in .rar format, which everyone knows is 10% used for warez. |
| 21:00.29 | eldowan | Is there an archive of older debian packages. Not for woody, slink, etc... but for package upgrades? |
| 21:00.38 | streuner | !sdn |
| 21:00.38 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 21:00.54 | Guerin | streuner: he's already sitting in fromt of his computer, like a lonely miserable nomates, I figure he's there |
| 21:00.55 | yauss | !locales |
| 21:00.55 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 21:00.57 | davFr | Guerin : sysvinit (testing version) does not require it, so it is strange that apt tries to respect dependencies of sysvinit (unstable version). |
| 21:01.08 | Azar | haha Guerin |
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| 21:01.24 | Guerin | davFr: would the new version of sysvinit be installed by the dist-upgrade? |
| 21:01.32 | Guerin | davFr: it shouldn't, but is aptitude trying to? |
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| 21:01.52 | himmelstr_utz | guerin: that's just it. |
| 21:01.57 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 21:02.49 | yauss | How can i run some commands in the startup? Any file i shall put them in? |
| 21:02.58 | asg | yauss: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 21:03.09 | Guerin | yauss: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 21:03.12 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:03.17 | dooglus | are .deb files signed? |
| 21:03.24 | Guerin | davFr: yes and no. |
| 21:03.28 | Guerin | dooglus: yes and no |
| 21:03.33 | asg | they are but aren't worth anything on eBay |
| 21:03.37 | Guerin | dooglus: a digest is signed |
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| 21:03.45 | davFr | Guerin : i tried with adept and it did not try to update anything at all. apt-get dist-update suggested to upgrade sysvinit-utils (and only this one). I don't know with aptitude. |
| 21:03.53 | Guerin | wtf is adept |
| 21:04.01 | Azar | :) |
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| 21:04.09 | Guerin | was that what your initial querty was about? |
| 21:04.14 | ryanakca | Guerin: a KDE apt-get GUI |
| 21:04.15 | Guerin | query, even |
| 21:04.16 | davFr | Guerin : anyway ... :o) |
| 21:04.18 | dooglus | Guerin: I downloaded http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/gaim-data_2.0.0+beta5-2_all.deb - can I check its signature? |
| 21:04.23 | Goran_ | does debian/kfreebsd use freebsd libs? |
| 21:04.43 | ryanakca | does anybody have a link to a packaging howto for "merges"? |
| 21:04.46 | Guerin | davFr: use aptitude, see if it behaves right. If so, file a 'severe' bug against adept. |
| 21:04.48 | Flimqy | There's not any way to take a dynamically linked executable and statically link it with its dependancies without the source code, is there? |
| 21:04.52 | streuner | hm, sounds like a question for tarzeau |
| 21:04.58 | Guerin | davFr: unless there's already one such. |
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| 21:06.21 | Guerin | davFr: the solution here is not to use broken kde guis. |
| 21:06.21 | Azar | davFr: when dist-upgrade is nicer to use "aptitude", it works better on dependencies |
| 21:06.21 | coderpath | is there a way i can run apt-get dist-upgrade but leave one package at an older version? |
| 21:06.22 | Guerin | coderpath: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:06.22 | Guerin | coderpath: bear in mind that may create problems |
| 21:06.22 | eldowan | dooglus: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/gaim-data |
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| 21:06.38 | tarzeau | Goran_: yes, people in #gnu-kbsd |
| 21:06.41 | Azar | when upgrading from Sarge to Etch is better to read the documentation first, lots of preparations to do |
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| 21:07.02 | eldowan | dooglus: Follow the link with the date for the correct package, and it should take you to where you can get the package you are looking for. |
| 21:07.04 | Guerin | Azar: hopefully that won't be true after the stabilisation |
| 21:07.06 | davFr | Azar : you mean aptitude resolve dependency better ? (anyway where is the "dist-upgrade" command in aptitude ? ) |
| 21:07.15 | eldowan | streuner: Thanks for the !sdn |
| 21:07.20 | streuner | np |
| 21:07.33 | dooglus | eldowan: I have it, but I'm wonder how to check its md5sum. the Release file only gives the correct digest for the (too new) latest version |
| 21:07.35 | Azar | Guerin this is only for pre-release |
| 21:07.51 | Azar | davFr: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and yes "aptitude dist-upgrade" works better |
| 21:08.16 | coderpath | Guerin: thx. that worked |
| 21:08.36 | eldowan | dooglus: On the url I just sent you, check out the .dsc file for it. It should have a file hash in there. |
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| 21:09.09 | eldowan | dooglus: Maybe not on second look. |
| 21:09.11 | davFr | Guerin : I would say adept is right, and apt-get isn't. there is no reason to install sysvinit-utils on my system as long as sysvinit is not updated to unstable. |
| 21:09.24 | Guerin | davFr: aptitude. |
| 21:09.39 | davFr | Azar : indeed, aptitude will not try to upgrade sysvinit-utils |
| 21:09.47 | Azar | aptitude is same as apt-get only with more muscle |
| 21:09.56 | Guerin | Azar: untrue |
| 21:10.12 | Azar | Guerin: I ment "works the same" |
| 21:10.15 | Guerin | it has quite thoroughly different dep resolution |
| 21:10.31 | dooglus | eldowan: even if it did, that wouldn't help, because it's not signed. whoever uploaded the trojaned package would upload the corresponding hash with it |
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| 21:10.51 | static_x_ | could someone help me please, i have just tried to install debian and came across a problem almost immediately. The problem occurs just after i enter the language i want to use and keyboard settings. My computer seems to hang at 84% and it says "Detecting hardware to find CDROM Drives" "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA Disk'. . . " any ideas? |
| 21:11.03 | Guerin | dooglus: if you seriously think packages.debian.org is compromised you need to tell security@debian.org immediately |
| 21:11.09 | Guerin | dooglus: but please be sure. |
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| 21:11.37 | davFr | Guerin / Azar : so should I fill a bug ? |
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| 21:12.10 | Azar | davFr: where you are trying to dist-upgrade? to Etch? or Sid? |
| 21:12.17 | Guerin | davFr: aptitude behaves correctly? what doesn't? |
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| 21:12.27 | Guerin | Azar: he's pinning. |
| 21:12.30 | eldowan | dooglus: The package is compromised?? or are you just being paranoid? |
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| 21:12.52 | Azar | ah... then strange things can happen with "outside" packages |
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| 21:13.34 | streuner | caution isn't bad, and paranoia helps, but too much makes you sick (TM) :-) |
| 21:13.43 | Azar | davFr: aptitude or apt-get will allways stall at requests for packages they can't find on the repositories for your version, or when dependencies are not met |
| 21:13.53 | Azar | haha streuner |
| 21:14.02 | davFr | Guerin : apt-get is the only tool with a strange (faulty) dependency resolution |
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| 21:14.34 | davFr | Azar : with the current pinning it should be mostly etch |
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| 21:14.38 | Azar | davFr: if a package you need is conflicting aptitude and apt-get will do their job and prevent the installation |
| 21:14.38 | eldowan | davFr: I've had packages that aptitude wouldn't install, but apt-get would tell me the problem. |
| 21:14.39 | Guerin | davFr: file a bug against it - apt-get is mostly deprecated in favour of aptitude, so it's not a huge deal. |
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| 21:15.20 | Varange | hi all again |
| 21:15.27 | davFr | Guerin : ok, I will do it just now. |
| 21:15.41 | static_x_ | so does anyone know a solution to my problem |
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| 21:16.22 | Azar | static_x_: what are you installing? Sarge or Etch? |
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| 21:16.24 | Guerin | static_x_: your problem is that we don't know what your problem is. |
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| 21:16.30 | static_x_ | Sarge |
| 21:16.33 | static_x_ | could someone help me please, i have just tried to install debian and came across a problem almost immediately. The problem occurs just after i enter the language i want to use and keyboard settings. My computer seems to hang at 84% and it says "Detecting hardware to find CDROM Drives" "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA Disk'. . . " any ideas? |
| 21:16.33 | eldowan | static_x_: What type of computer are you using? board model, chipset, CPU..... |
| 21:16.52 | malverian | Where could I get my hands on the kernel config for linux-image-2.6.17-2-386 ? |
| 21:16.59 | Guerin | static_x_: new hardware? |
| 21:17.00 | Varange | can I use Squid to forward requests to different web servers on my internal network based on the contents of the request header? |
| 21:17.06 | Azar | static_x_: SATA? |
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| 21:17.07 | static_x_ | amd64 |
| 21:17.09 | asg | malverian: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:17.19 | Guerin | static_x_: try running the install in 'expert' mode. And which installer are you using? |
| 21:17.22 | static_x_ | yes sata |
| 21:17.25 | malverian | asg: Ahh. right, I got spooled by proc-config and forgot about that ;) |
| 21:17.26 | Fahrenheit | Hello everyobdy, how can I grant root rigth to a user ? |
| 21:17.31 | eldowan | static_x_: what board are you using? |
| 21:17.35 | Azar | gah, I had SATA issues too with Sarge installation |
| 21:17.47 | static_x_ | 3.1 r2 i386 |
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| 21:18.02 | static_x_ | board dfi languard |
| 21:18.34 | Guerin | static_x_: if you want to run stable, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18; if testing, use the etch rc1 installer |
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| 21:19.05 | SNow | hello, anyone alive? any ideas how to redirect one concrete website to lan server? but others leve on the same? for example www.test.eu goes to 192.168.0.1 (wan) and then www.test2.eu goes tu 192.168.0.2 but the same wan ip? |
| 21:19.09 | static_x_ | Guerin - does that mean i will need to download yet more discs |
| 21:19.10 | SNow | how could I do virtualhost to lan? |
| 21:19.10 | Fahrenheit | no idea, how to give all root riths to a user (without using sudo, i mean real rights) |
| 21:19.17 | Guerin | static_x_: just one |
| 21:19.25 | malverian | asg: Thanks. |
| 21:19.25 | Azar | Fahrenheit: just give the user your root password (hmmmmm) |
| 21:19.30 | asg | Fahrenheit: give them the root password |
| 21:19.36 | eldowan | SNow: try a name server, or /etc/hosts |
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| 21:19.45 | streuner | oh, dudes, a tric question |
| 21:19.47 | SNow | eldowan you mean? |
| 21:19.48 | Guerin | Fahrenheit: once you do that, they're no longer a user, they're a computer owner. |
| 21:19.49 | asg | malverian: you're welcome |
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| 21:20.01 | streuner | Fahrenheit: Do you want fool us? |
| 21:20.08 | eldowan | SNow: I think I misread your question. Could you explain a little differently? |
| 21:20.08 | static_x_ | guerin - can i then use the rest of my discs |
| 21:20.15 | Fahrenheit | no, when the user exec something, he will need root rigths, it's for installing sybase, it require a sybase user with root rights |
| 21:20.25 | Guerin | static_x_: for sarge? yes. |
| 21:20.38 | Guerin | Fahrenheit: this is what sudo is for. |
| 21:20.54 | Guerin | Fahrenheit: there's no other way, without the root password, or similar. |
| 21:20.56 | Sjord | Fahrenheit: Set the program setuid root |
| 21:21.04 | Fahrenheit | k, thx |
| 21:21.05 | Guerin | such as a root ssh key |
| 21:21.17 | dooglus | eldowan: the package is probably fine. I'm asking how I would check. |
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| 21:21.38 | eldowan | Couldn't you give a user the uid of 0 to give root access? |
| 21:21.49 | asg | eldowan: of course |
| 21:21.52 | eldowan | dooglus: No idea :) |
| 21:21.55 | dooglus | eldowan: I thought debian uses gpg to sign digests of packages, but what does it use for older versions of packages/ |
| 21:21.58 | Guerin | eldowan: that would functionally make him root. |
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| 21:22.26 | eldowan | Guerin: True, I was just wondering. Wouldn't suggest it or anything, but I thought I remembered reading it somewhere. |
| 21:22.31 | dooglus | eldowan: it's academic - version 5-3 of gaim is available now, a mere 22 hours after version 5-3 of gaim-data became available |
| 21:23.01 | eldowan | dooglus: At least it wasn't 3 weeks. |
| 21:23.09 | dooglus | eldowan: or 17 years, yes. |
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| 21:26.11 | SNow | eldowan all websites goes to 192.168.0.1 but one webservr (which is extremely huge) should go to another server on my lan |
| 21:26.16 | SNow | how to do virtualhosts to a lan ip ? |
| 21:26.24 | yauss | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-11-21 22:55 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 21:26.25 | yauss | wtf? |
| 21:26.31 | yauss | why is that 777? |
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| 21:26.45 | asg | yauss: it's a symlink |
| 21:26.46 | dr_wut | is it possible to kill a connection by using netstat? |
| 21:26.55 | asg | yauss: only what it points to is important |
| 21:26.56 | Azar | noo wtf is 2.4.27 rather |
| 21:27.00 | yauss | aha. |
| 21:27.07 | yauss | so nobody can delete it then ;) |
| 21:27.24 | asg | yauss: only people who have +w in the parent directory can |
| 21:27.39 | eldowan | SNow: You have two webservers, and you want one to take most of the traffic? |
| 21:29.29 | dooglus | eldowan: he has server1.domain.com and server2.domain.com; they both have the same external IP address, but are different hosts on his LAN |
| 21:29.52 | SNow | yeah eldowan and I want server1 go to one server and server 2 on another lan server |
| 21:30.07 | dooglus | eldowan: he wants something in the router (?) to check the "Host:" header of the HTTP request and pass it on to the appropriate machine |
| 21:31.31 | dooglus | SNow: maybe the router and pass all the traffic to server1, and server1 can then pass the server2 traffic on? I don't know how you'd do it, but would guess it's an apache setting. |
| 21:31.38 | SNow | my router != linux debian |
| 21:32.00 | SNow | and router is kind'a apache server 1 on the lan :) |
| 21:32.48 | dooglus | SNow: whatever does the splitting of traffic will need to be able to read the HTTP request headers |
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| 21:33.07 | SNow | the main idea of this is not reducing the traffic but the load of the boxes |
| 21:33.16 | SNow | 192.168.0.1 is quite old, and can't manage to hold that kind of big website |
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| 21:33.25 | eldowan | SNow: Why don't you look into a load balancing solution? |
| 21:33.35 | SNow | but other websites, like my homepage should rather be kept there |
| 21:34.01 | SNow | so I bought another box, which I put under 192.168.0.2 and I want that 'big website' to go to that box, that it would be able to work with the huge load |
| 21:34.18 | SNow | eldowan there are 300 users online, who are surfing the web |
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| 21:34.25 | SNow | many apache clients and they make load |
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| 21:36.13 | earthian | hello |
| 21:36.22 | earthian | vlc somehow does not go to full screen |
| 21:36.29 | dooglus | SNow: I upgraded my LAN from version 192.168.0.x to 192.168.1.x and it's all a lot faster now. |
| 21:36.38 | earthian | but instead opens a new window that is maximized and forms that "full screen" there |
| 21:36.38 | earthian | :/ |
| 21:36.43 | earthian | whats wrong? |
| 21:36.55 | dooglus | earthian: F8 will let you un-full-screen it |
| 21:37.13 | SNow | dooglus yeah right |
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| 21:37.24 | Guerin | hit 'f' to fullscreen |
| 21:37.54 | dooglus | earthian: sorry, I thought you said VNC |
| 21:38.02 | earthian | :) |
| 21:38.14 | earthian | and i was alraedy hitting F8 with my head :/ |
| 21:38.26 | Guerin | heh |
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| 21:38.49 | mick_linux | how do most DDs QA their packages? (for instance, I'm QA'ing joomla) - i'd lik to use a QA tool to record ncurses selections |
| 21:39.07 | mick_linux | so no unit testtting stuff please :-P |
| 21:39.33 | cydork | mick_linux, joomla? |
| 21:39.33 | earthian | whats wrong with VLC not going to "real" fullscreen ? |
| 21:39.35 | mark````` | where can i get the apxs2 binary from? what package is it in? thanks |
| 21:39.41 | solars_ | where should I add my setkeys commands for debian startup ? |
| 21:39.43 | mick_linux | i'd think that it would be easier for me to send the maintainer (who i know by now) - tests that say how it messes up |
| 21:39.52 | mick_linux | cydork: yes |
| 21:40.34 | mick_linux | cydork: http://people.debian-ce.org/enerv/debian/unstable/joomla/joomla_1.0.11-1_all.deb |
| 21:40.45 | mick_linux | if you are interested ;) |
| 21:41.05 | mick_linux | at any rate, is there some ncurses "recorder" ? |
| 21:41.28 | cydork | mick_linux, did you file a itp for that? |
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| 21:42.12 | mick_linux | no, I am not the packager - and yes he did -> Silva <enerv@host.sk> Bug#326398: ITP: joomla -- new content management |
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| 21:42.56 | mick_linux | maybe this is the wrong channel to ask ;) |
| 21:42.59 | cydork | mick_linux, ahh alex.. |
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| 21:44.13 | mick_linux | he isn't responding to me via icq right now :-P |
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| 21:45.04 | xirjs | is there a way to get a good test for mic audio-in? it looks broken ... :-( |
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| 21:45.25 | cydork | mick_linux, did he put it in mentors.debian.net? |
| 21:45.40 | mick_linux | he has a mentor |
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| 21:45.48 | mick_linux | i don't know who |
| 21:45.58 | mick_linux | but, I'm the one with the problem :-P |
| 21:45.58 | Guerin | xirjs: plug mic in, make sure capture volume is set, record input, singe 'always look on the bright side of life", listen |
| 21:46.05 | cydork | mick_linux, ya i know.. he was telling me about it.. |
| 21:46.09 | mith | how do you remove things from loopback devices after they failed to mount with -o loop but are still attached as a loop device apparently? |
| 21:46.11 | mick_linux | since i told him that i'd QA it for him |
| 21:46.22 | mith | I can't rmmod loop; it says it's busy |
| 21:46.31 | xirjs | Guerin: nice way ... but it does not work ... and not just because i'm a horrible singer ... :) |
| 21:46.41 | xirjs | Guerin: any other idea_ |
| 21:46.42 | xirjs | _ |
| 21:46.43 | Guerin | xirjs: why not? |
| 21:46.43 | mick_linux | but i don't want to say "click here" then "click there" |
| 21:46.44 | xirjs | ? |
| 21:47.06 | xirjs | Guerin: actualy i want to use skype ... audio-out works well |
| 21:47.11 | xirjs | audio-in does not work ... |
| 21:47.25 | Guerin | xirjs: WHY NOT? |
| 21:47.26 | xirjs | what should i see on 'cat /dev/dsp' ... ? |
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| 21:47.35 | Guerin | xirjs: are you SURE you have the capture device set? |
| 21:47.35 | Ether_Man | Anyone that have gotten a bluetooth headset to work properly with bluez? Im trying to follow a guide but when I get to the actual connect stage, the a2dpd spits errors at me saying "invalid exchange" and I have no clue what to do.. google reveals nothing on the subject :/ |
| 21:47.36 | xirjs | Guerin: if i would know, i would no ask ... |
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| 21:48.07 | xirjs | Guerin: the capture device is /dev/dsp ... right? |
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| 21:49.12 | Guerin | xirjs: run alsamixer |
| 21:49.30 | Guerin | xirjs: hit f[12345] to go through the various controls |
| 21:49.43 | Guerin | xirjs: fuck with the CAPTURE control until it works |
| 21:49.49 | jpf | i'm trying to install 2.6.8 from the debian package, i'm getting "suffix or operands invalid" errors on make, anyone have a clue? |
| 21:50.07 | eldowan | jpf: What is the command you are running? |
| 21:50.24 | jpf | make |
| 21:50.41 | xirjs | Guerin: sorry, i don't understand your tips ... :) |
| 21:50.52 | Guerin | xirjs: run 'asamixer' for fuck's sakes |
| 21:50.57 | Guerin | iot's not like I'm speaking chinese |
| 21:51.02 | Guerin | alsamixer |
| 21:51.08 | xirjs | alsamixer sees the device and i can change the settings for mic |
| 21:51.15 | xirjs | aumix takes this settings too |
| 21:51.25 | xirjs | i can play sounds on alsa or oss ... |
| 21:51.27 | jpf | i'm sorry for being inspecific, this is my first experience with debian, i just want to install 2.6.x from source with as few difficulties as possible |
| 21:51.31 | Guerin | one will be set to capture, and others won't |
| 21:51.32 | xirjs | everything fine .. .but i cannot record using the mic |
| 21:51.44 | Guerin | xirjs: if you set things up right in alsamixer, it will Just Work |
| 21:51.59 | Guerin | xirjs: btw, which program are you using to test? |
| 21:52.01 | xirjs | Guerin: ok, but it does _not_ |
| 21:52.13 | xirjs | Guerin: i used audacity and skype |
| 21:52.25 | Guerin | xirjs: then it's a. not set up properly or b. you're using a stuipid program to test |
| 21:52.31 | Guerin | audacity should be fine, so see a. |
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| 21:53.08 | xirjs | Guerin: yes, i know ... so could you help me to set it up right? where do i see if it is setup well? |
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| 21:55.09 | Guerin | xirjs: in the 'capture' control, the 'capture' and 'mic' sliders should have a red L CAPTUR R under it, and if there's a volume control, it should be someplace above zero |
| 21:55.35 | xirjs | capture control is like aumix or alsamixer ? |
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| 21:55.44 | SkareCrow | I have a Linksys WRT54G Router and was wondering why my Debian box isnt showing up on my DHCP Clients Table on my Router |
| 21:56.17 | Guerin | xirjs: in alsamixer |
| 21:56.22 | Guerin | i don't know anything about aumix |
| 21:56.24 | vulture | SkareCrow: is your debian box configured to use DHCP? has it received a lease? |
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| 21:56.32 | SkareCrow | idk |
| 21:56.33 | SkareCrow | :) |
| 21:56.45 | lunaphyte_ | what's another way of determining available ethernet controllers besides looking at the output of ifconfig? |
| 21:56.48 | SkareCrow | i have a static ip for it |
| 21:56.51 | Guerin | SkareCrow: then wch |
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| 21:57.19 | SkareCrow | before it was showing on the DHCP Clients Table but it didnt show the name of my Debian box. I switched to a static IP and it doesnt show it any more |
| 21:57.56 | petemc | SkareCrow: and this surprises you? |
| 21:57.58 | xirjs | Guerin: nothing ... :-( |
| 21:58.13 | xirjs | Guerin: do you know a way to find out if there is a hardware problem? |
| 21:58.33 | Guerin | xirjs: what sound card? |
| 21:58.37 | SkareCrow | i have no clue if it should or not, thats why i am asking... |
| 21:58.46 | SkareCrow | it showed up just fine before but the Client Host Name was blank |
| 21:58.52 | SNow | : There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 21:58.53 | SNow | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 21:58.54 | Guerin | xirjs: the other thing is that you probably have the mic turned off, or not plugged into the right hole |
| 21:59.01 | xirjs | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 21:59.02 | petemc | SkareCrow: if you're using a static ip, it wont be a dhcp client |
| 21:59.13 | xingu | lunaphyte_: where /sys/class/net/*/type = 1? |
| 21:59.16 | Guerin | xirjs: those work 100% |
| 21:59.17 | SkareCrow | alright, how do i fix the name thing then? |
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| 21:59.33 | cydork | SNow, see /topic |
| 21:59.40 | xirjs | Guerin: yup, i know ... i use it since 4 years .. but it does not work since some weeks |
| 21:59.52 | xirjs | so i look for a way to check out if the hardware is broken ... |
| 21:59.55 | xirjs | thats my point |
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| 22:00.17 | SkareCrow | i have 6 windows boxes that show the client host name but i want my linux box to show its name to |
| 22:00.48 | lunaphyte_ | xingu: thanks |
| 22:01.45 | Guerin | SkareCrow: talk to your sysadmin |
| 22:02.09 | SkareCrow | i dont talk to myself |
| 22:02.18 | Guerin | SkareCrow: you're not a sysadmin |
| 22:02.18 | SkareCrow | im pretty much the system administrator |
| 22:02.21 | petemc | SkareCrow: presumably it only does nmb names |
| 22:02.34 | Guerin | you're just someone who happens to have half-a-dozen machines he doesn't know how to configure |
| 22:02.45 | SkareCrow | i am new to linux... |
| 22:02.57 | SkareCrow | i do fine with windows |
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| 22:03.57 | hyper_ch | hi, how can I make a script auto-start under a certain user upon boot? |
| 22:04.10 | SerajewelKS | su |
| 22:04.10 | cydork | !startup |
| 22:04.11 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script' do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
| 22:04.29 | cydork | damnn |
| 22:04.45 | SerajewelKS | !startup =~ s#' do#', do# |
| 22:04.45 | dpkg | OK, SerajewelKS |
| 22:05.00 | hyper_ch | !runlevel |
| 22:05.00 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 22:05.20 | eldowan | SkareCrow: what was your problem? |
| 22:05.39 | SkareCrow | my linux box not showing its name to my router |
| 22:06.02 | SerajewelKS | is it using a static IP address? |
| 22:06.05 | eldowan | SkareCrow: in what situation, dhcp hostname? netbios? |
| 22:06.15 | SkareCrow | dhcp |
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| 22:06.28 | eldowan | SkareCrow: look at /etc/dhclinet.conf |
| 22:06.29 | SerajewelKS | SkareCrow: edit your dhclient config then |
| 22:06.34 | SkareCrow | it is using a static ip right now, but when its off the hostname is blank |
| 22:06.41 | SkareCrow | alright, thanks |
| 22:06.53 | eldowan | SkareCrow: there should be a line to un-comment and edit. |
| 22:06.53 | SerajewelKS | SkareCrow: if it's using a static IP then you will not see a hostname |
| 22:07.19 | SkareCrow | like i said, it doesnt show right now. when it was off the static ip it showed a blank hostname |
| 22:07.57 | xirjs | Guerin: i need a sysadmin for this problem, actualy a realy one ... can you help? |
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| 22:09.44 | Guerin | xirjs: i've already told you what you need to do in software. If it doesn't work, then you either haven't done something right, or some hardware is broken. |
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| 22:13.16 | hyper_ch | how can I assign that a program at startup shall be run by a certain user? |
| 22:13.53 | eldowan | hyper_ch: su |
| 22:14.10 | hyper_ch | eldowan: how do I incorporate that into a startup scritp? |
| 22:14.32 | eldowan | su <username> and then the rest of the commands, IIRC |
| 22:14.33 | Guerin | hyper_ch: man su |
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| 22:14.38 | Guerin | no |
| 22:14.47 | Guerin | you need -c |
| 22:15.06 | hyper_ch | Guerin: -c ? |
| 22:15.14 | Guerin | hyper_ch: man su |
| 22:15.19 | eldowan | Ahh yes, -c. |
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| 22:18.21 | hyper_ch | Guerin: how do I integrate that into a startscript at bootup? |
| 22:18.31 | Ether_Man | How do I JUST pair with my BT headset? I've read several diffrent guides now on how to set it up and all of them end up in invalid exchange upon connect. Though now with the last method Im getting a popup saying they're not paired and then nothing so perhaps I need to pair them beforehand :/ |
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| 22:20.53 | Guerin | hyper_ch: /msg dpkg bootmisc |
| 22:21.03 | x_link | Hi folx!" |
| 22:21.10 | x_link | Maybe somebody here could help me. |
| 22:21.14 | Guerin | what's a folx? |
| 22:21.23 | Guerin | sounds like a wumpus or something |
| 22:21.37 | Guerin | or maybe a fox with a spear stuck in\\ |
| 22:21.44 | x_link | I just took out my second hdd cause it's got messed up, so I plugged in another one. |
| 22:22.07 | x_link | I formatted it and mounted it. But when I open Home and type /mnt/sedde I get Access Denied. |
| 22:22.15 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with this ? |
| 22:22.31 | Guerin | x_link: what filesystem? |
| 22:22.37 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 22:22.41 | hyper_ch | Guerin: I did create not a script in /etc/init.d/ and linked it with the runlevels... but how can I make that the service inside the script will be started as a specific user and not as root? |
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| 22:22.46 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.50 | x_link | Guerin: ext3 |
| 22:22.55 | Guerin | hyper_ch: edit the script |
| 22:22.56 | yoo | i'm running debian testing |
| 22:23.09 | yoo | and m u computer crashes without explication |
| 22:23.14 | hyper_ch | Guerin: and what do I need to edit to make it not start the service as root? |
| 22:23.17 | yoo | just an error message in syslog: |
| 22:23.19 | yoo | Nov 22 23:20:29 simpson init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 22:23.21 | Guerin | x_link: so ... you type /mnt/sedde |
| 22:23.27 | yoo | this messages apperas often |
| 22:23.30 | Guerin | hyper_ch: #bash |
| 22:23.43 | yoo | always : Id "1" respawning too fast |
| 22:23.52 | yoo | then my computer is like blocked |
| 22:23.55 | Guerin | yoo: your inittab is fucke. |
| 22:23.58 | Guerin | d |
| 22:24.05 | yoo | i must pushes my power button |
| 22:24.15 | x_link | Guerin: In Konqueror ? |
| 22:24.36 | Guerin | x_link: from a shell, type 'cd /mnt/sedde' |
| 22:24.36 | yoo | Guerin, how solve it ? or how find where is the problem ? |
| 22:24.52 | Guerin | yoo: the real problem is that your inittab file is fucked. DId you modify it? |
| 22:24.57 | yoo | no |
| 22:25.03 | Guerin | yoo: did anyone else/. |
| 22:25.05 | Guerin | ? |
| 22:25.16 | x_link | Guerin: I have done cd /mnt/sedde -> access denied |
| 22:25.20 | x_link | But ls /mnt/sedde works |
| 22:25.38 | x_link | Guerin: Btw, should I do that as root ? |
| 22:25.42 | karsten | Anyone know a good NFS channel? |
| 22:25.44 | x_link | cd /mnt/sedde ? |
| 22:25.47 | Guerin | x_link: does your system use ACLs? |
| 22:26.09 | x_link | Guerin: I don't know |
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| 22:26.27 | Guerin | x_link: why not? |
| 22:26.35 | x_link | Guerin: As my user it doesn't work, with root cd /mnt/sedde worked. |
| 22:26.35 | Guerin | x_link: are you the admin? |
| 22:26.51 | x_link | I don't know why. |
| 22:26.51 | Guerin | x_link: does it say 'access denied' or 'permission denied'? |
| 22:26.54 | yoo | Guerin, did anyone else i don't understans that you say |
| 22:26.59 | yoo | i'm french sorry :) |
| 22:27.08 | x_link | Guerin: When I'm root it works, but when I'm guest it says Access Denied |
| 22:27.16 | x_link | Guerin: |
| 22:27.18 | x_link | sedde:/home/sedde# cd /mnt/sedde |
| 22:27.18 | x_link | sedde:/mnt/sedde# |
| 22:27.20 | Caelum | dpkg: you alive? |
| 22:27.33 | karsten | x_link: Classic characteristic of a permissions problem. |
| 22:27.51 | Guerin | x_link: the point being it should says permission denied, if it's a filesystem permissions thing |
| 22:27.52 | x_link | ok |
| 22:27.59 | Guerin | but access denied if it's an acl issue |
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| 22:28.10 | Guerin | hence my question |
| 22:28.16 | x_link | Guerin: maybe it says permission, I'm translating it from swedish to english. |
| 22:28.17 | Guerin | yoo: your /etc/inittab file is causing a serviuce to start over and over again. |
| 22:28.22 | Guerin | x_link: ah, ok. |
| 22:28.27 | x_link | Sorry Guerin =/ |
| 22:28.30 | x_link | I forgot to tell you that. |
| 22:28.34 | Guerin | x_link: chamge the permissions on the mount point |
| 22:28.46 | x_link | Guerin: If I knew how then I would. |
| 22:28.54 | Guerin | x_link: info coreutils chmod |
| 22:29.37 | x_link | Guerin: chmod 666 /mnt/sedde |
| 22:29.45 | x_link | I have done that already. |
| 22:30.11 | SkareCrow | alright, thanks for the help. it is now working |
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| 22:30.33 | Guerin | x_link: output of LANG=C cd /mnt/sedde # as user |
| 22:30.43 | Althaser | where can I see about dpkg's status ? |
| 22:30.47 | x_link | ok |
| 22:30.57 | JordiGH | Should a library put its documentation in libfoo-doc or is it ok if it goes in /usr/share/doc/libfoo-dev/ ? |
| 22:30.57 | streuner | !status |
| 22:30.57 | dpkg | Since Wed Nov 22 12:05:04 2006, there have been 2 modifications, 174 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 29 commands. I have been awake for 10h 25m 53s this session, and currently reference 37016 factoids. I'm using about 14120 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 63.2/3.36 child 0/0.01 |
| 22:31.04 | karsten | x_link: Set yoru shell locale to 'C' for the moment: export LANG=C |
| 22:31.04 | x_link | Guerin: As root it just jumps down a line |
| 22:31.10 | JordiGH | !morons |
| 22:31.14 | karsten | x_link: ... should give a uniform English output for all error messages. |
| 22:31.16 | Guerin | x_link: do it as user, for fuck's sakes |
| 22:31.21 | x_link | sedde:/home/sedde# cd /mnt/sedde |
| 22:31.25 | x_link | sedde:/mnt/sedde# |
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| 22:31.33 | Guerin | x_link: NOT AS ROOT |
| 22:31.44 | JordiGH | I must be the only one who uses... |
| 22:31.46 | JordiGH | !libnoise0 |
| 22:31.51 | JordiGH | !info libnoise0 |
| 22:31.56 | dpkg | libnoise0: (a portable, coherent noise-generating library for C++), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.0+1.0.0-RC1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 22:31.56 | yoo | Guerin, i remenber that on boot i have another message error : |
| 22:32.07 | yoo | /usr/sbin/termwrap file don't exist |
| 22:32.10 | x_link | Guerin: The LANG=C doesn't work there |
| 22:32.12 | x_link | sedde@sedde:/mnt/sedde$ LANG=C cd /mnt/sedde |
| 22:32.12 | x_link | bash: cd: /mnt/sedde: Ã…tkomst nekas |
| 22:32.13 | yoo | or a thing like that |
| 22:32.20 | x_link | sedde@sedde:/mnt/sedde$ |
| 22:32.21 | Guerin | grr |
| 22:32.33 | Guerin | x_link: do what karsten said |
| 22:32.39 | yoo | and in /etc/inittab i have this line : |
| 22:32.47 | yoo | 1:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/termwrap /usr/sbin/base-config new </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 22:32.53 | yoo | Perhaps a link |
| 22:33.07 | streuner | well, reinstall |
| 22:33.13 | JordiGH | Curious, what do those 2>&1 things mean? I've never found an explanation... |
| 22:33.17 | x_link | karsten: I don't know how to do that, I have tried to figure out that before. |
| 22:33.31 | Guerin | x_link: and give the output of ls -ld /mnt/sedde |
| 22:33.39 | cydork | JordiGH, stderr and std out to same thing |
| 22:33.42 | Guerin | x_link: type export LANG=C |
| 22:33.50 | x_link | sedde@sedde:/mnt/sedde$ ls -ld /mnt/sedde |
| 22:33.50 | x_link | drw-rw-rw- 3 root root 4096 2003-11-22 22:52 /mnt/sedde |
| 22:33.52 | JordiGH | cydork: How do you parse that? |
| 22:34.00 | Guerin | x_link: you need +x |
| 22:34.09 | Guerin | x_link: infor coreutils chmod, like I fucking told you |
| 22:34.13 | yoo | streuner, you speak to me , |
| 22:34.13 | Guerin | info |
| 22:34.20 | cydork | JordiGH, i dont! shell does! :P |
| 22:34.21 | streuner | yoo: yes |
| 22:34.29 | yoo | reinstall my system ? |
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| 22:34.34 | streuner | yoo: forget the pr0n, and reinstall |
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| 22:34.59 | x_link | Guerin: sedde@sedde:~$ cd /mnt/sedde |
| 22:34.59 | x_link | bash: cd: /mnt/sedde: Permission denied |
| 22:35.07 | karsten | x_link: 'export LANG=C', in your shell, does that. |
| 22:35.08 | x_link | Permission, I said wrong before |
| 22:35.15 | JordiGH | cydork: Heh. Kay... One more question, is it the same if I do 2 > & 1? (spaces) |
| 22:35.15 | ryanakca | ok, dpkg --get-selections created the file "dpkgselections". How do I restore the packages? |
| 22:35.16 | yoo | it's a kernel i have compiled myself, perhaps miss an option |
| 22:35.21 | karsten | x_link: confirm with 'locale', should report 'C' for everyhthign. |
| 22:35.22 | x_link | I did --> export LANG=C now |
| 22:35.24 | Guerin | x_link: good. Now read info coreutils chmod and learn about directory permissions |
| 22:35.34 | karsten | x_link: .. and since you exported the var, child processes inherit. |
| 22:35.53 | x_link | karsten: ? |
| 22:36.00 | eldowan | !tell ryanakca about debian clone |
| 22:36.15 | Azar | yay! fun, welcome back karsten! |
| 22:36.20 | karsten | x_link: Read. With comprehienion. |
| 22:36.22 | karsten | Azar: Yo. |
| 22:36.28 | ryanakca | eldowan: thanks |
| 22:36.41 | cydork | JordiGH, nope it's not the same |
| 22:36.55 | xingu | yoo: mv /etc/inittab.real /etc/inittab; /sbin/init q |
| 22:37.03 | JordiGH | x_link: permissions are read/write/execute separated for the user owning the file or device, the group owning the same, and everyone else in that order. Each permission can be turned on or off, i.e. binary, i.e. octal. chmod 644 thefile means r/w for owner and read for group and everyone else. |
| 22:37.06 | streuner | yoo: are you sure all HD's are ok? |
| 22:37.25 | yoo | steuner: i look |
| 22:37.27 | xingu | yoo: google ifl says - sarge installer bug |
| 22:37.53 | yoo | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x60 |
| 22:37.59 | eldowan | ryanakca: no prob |
| 22:38.00 | yoo | hda: DMA timeout retry |
| 22:38.05 | streuner | here we go |
| 22:38.09 | yoo | hda: timeout waiting for DMA |
| 22:38.18 | yoo | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 22:38.18 | x_link | JordiGH: chmod 666 /mnt/sedde |
| 22:38.21 | x_link | Right ? |
| 22:38.34 | Guerin | yoo: either your drive or your controller is dying |
| 22:38.35 | JordiGH | x_link: I haven't been following. Who is /mnt/sedde? |
| 22:38.39 | karsten | xingu: Thanks.... |
| 22:38.40 | Guerin | x_link: NO |
| 22:38.40 | Caelum | does anyone use runit? I'm getting "runit-policy-rc.d: forbid: anacron start 2" whenever I install anything, I'm afraid to reboot the thing |
| 22:38.43 | Guerin | it's not fucking right |
| 22:38.44 | streuner | yoo: could be a driver issue as well, are you using VIA? |
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| 22:38.50 | yoo | yes |
| 22:39.03 | Guerin | x_link: THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS READ THE FUCKING info coreutils chmod LIKE I TOLD YOU |
| 22:39.05 | x_link | ahh sorry |
| 22:39.06 | Guerin | you fucking idiot |
| 22:39.12 | Guerin | how many times? |
| 22:39.15 | x_link | chmod 777 /mnt/sedde |
| 22:39.18 | x_link | That worked |
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| 22:39.22 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:39.44 | yoo | streuner, i have perhaps forget an option in kernel compilation |
| 22:39.51 | JordiGH | 777 isn't generally what you want for anything... Makes your system too Windowsy. |
| 22:40.12 | yoo | because this problem appers when i compiled kernel |
| 22:40.15 | x_link | JordiGH: Okey.... |
| 22:40.18 | streuner | yoo: its not that unusual if you get strange messages (VIA), but use an official kernel first and check the HD(s) |
| 22:40.22 | Guerin | yoo: bah, use a debian kernel |
| 22:40.22 | yoo | ahead i have kernel-image and all is OK |
| 22:40.23 | x_link | This is hard for me, the english makes it 10 times harder. |
| 22:40.31 | hyper_ch | !suexec |
| 22:40.35 | tonyb2006 | What would just CD1 of debian etch contain? |
| 22:40.39 | x_link | Must understand that as well.... |
| 22:40.41 | Guerin | x_link: it's not hard to just follow the fucking instructions I gave you five times |
| 22:40.42 | JordiGH | x_link: I haven't been following what's happening. |
| 22:40.48 | yoo | ok |
| 22:40.50 | yoo | thanks |
| 22:40.57 | x_link | JordiGH: I know... I'm thanksfull of your help! |
| 22:41.13 | Azar | :) |
| 22:41.16 | JordiGH | Guerin: info coreutils chmod doesn't describe the octal method of assigning permissions. It assumed you already know that. |
| 22:41.46 | Azar | ha! Guerin knows better than you |
| 22:41.57 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's info coreutils 'File Permissions'; and yes, it does describe both methods. |
| 22:42.01 | ryanakca | is dpkg's factoid base GPL'd? |
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| 22:42.21 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 22:42.24 | cydork | !who owns you |
| 22:42.25 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 22:42.30 | Azar | ryanakca: we all are |
| 22:42.32 | dondelelcaro | ryanakca: it has no license, unfortunatly... but do whatever you want with it. |
| 22:42.32 | streuner | !blairsmite ryanakca |
| 22:42.37 | xingu | ryanakca: steve balmer has a patent covering it |
| 22:43.11 | ryanakca | xingu: not the bot, the factoid base... |
| 22:43.11 | streuner | ryanakca: everyone can make factoids (db) ... |
| 22:43.12 | yoo | Guerin: i have installed a kernel-image, what does install to compile source for example rt2500-source.tar.gz ? |
| 22:43.26 | Guerin | yoo: no idea. |
| 22:43.29 | yoo | kernel-headers and it's all ? |
| 22:43.33 | yoo | ok |
| 22:43.34 | JordiGH | GPLing non-software stuff is a little strange... but then again, Debian doesn't like the GFDL. :-/ |
| 22:43.55 | Guerin | JordiGH: it's not THAT strange. |
| 22:43.56 | Azar | yoo use "aptitude (or apt-get) install linux-image....blabla" use a Debian kernel |
| 22:44.21 | ryanakca | streuner: yes... so, from my interpretation, that means that I could change Debian to ubuntu in the 'Debian clone' factoid and submit it to ubotu?... It's something that we haven't thought of... |
| 22:44.23 | yoo | Azar: yes i do that |
| 22:44.23 | Ether_Man | Anyone know if there's some special reason why bluez-pin is in both stable and unstable.. But not in testing that's in between? O_o |
| 22:44.25 | JordiGH | Guerin: It is a little. I don't need Twelfth Night to be GPLed. |
| 22:44.34 | yoo | thanks |
| 22:44.52 | Guerin | JordiGH: well, no, since it's public domain ... |
| 22:44.54 | streuner | ryanakca: in theory, but not in reality |
| 22:44.59 | cydork | ryanakca, then i dont think it will be helpfull :P |
| 22:45.03 | JordiGH | Another aptitude recommendation sighting! We aptitude users shall overcome! :D |
| 22:45.07 | Azar | yoo you can find the kernel you want for your architecture with: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 22:45.15 | hyper_ch | !suid |
| 22:45.15 | dpkg | it has been said that suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner |
| 22:45.43 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: generally because it's buggy and has been removed from testing. |
| 22:45.43 | Guerin | JordiGH: but a free book, for instance, it would be fair to require LaTeX source to be released to anyopne who got a bound copy, for instance. |
| 22:45.57 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: it'll have to become non-buggy to return to testing |
| 22:46.01 | Ether_Man | dondelelcaro, but wouldnt the stable version be in testing then? :/ |
| 22:46.05 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: no |
| 22:46.19 | k_osh | JordiGH: aptitude is good except it auto-installs recommended stuff. took me a while to figure that out. I found all kind of weird crap on my system... :-/ |
| 22:46.30 | dondelelcaro | k_osh: you can always disable that, you know. |
| 22:46.58 | k_osh | dondelelcaro: didn't know that. I alter between apt-get and aptitude depending on my needs... =) |
| 22:47.01 | dondelelcaro | indeed, installing things that are recommended is almost always what you want to do anyway. |
| 22:47.07 | Azar | k_osh aptitude is very righteous about dependencies that why |
| 22:47.08 | Ether_Man | Damn.. Is it reliable to download the stable or unstable and install that without having to add either as an apt source? It's kindof needed to be able to use bluez at ALL :) |
| 22:47.10 | JordiGH | k_osh: I'm usually happy with the recommended stuff. But yes, that's the biggest change one has to get used when switching from apt-get to aptitude. aptitude install java, not apt-get install java java-dev java-dbg java-doc... |
| 22:47.20 | Guerin | k_osh: it's very unwise to chop between apt-get and aptitude |
| 22:47.44 | streuner | haha |
| 22:48.02 | SNow | how could I install php5 to debian apache2 is working libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 22:48.08 | k_osh | dondelelcaro: not always. apache2 installed some apache-common stuff that I definitly didn't want. No need for apache1.3 stuff on an apache2 server... |
| 22:48.12 | k_osh | Guerin: why? |
| 22:48.14 | SNow | but still it gives me to download .php files |
| 22:48.14 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: you can get bluez from snapshot.debian.net, or get a specific version from unstable, but if you want to use bluez, you're best of figuring out why it was removed and fixing it. |
| 22:48.27 | dondelelcaro | k_osh: uh... apache-common is a dependency of apache2. |
| 22:48.29 | Guerin | k_osh: because they store state differently and can confuse and break each other |
| 22:48.33 | dondelelcaro | k_osh: not a Recommends:. |
| 22:48.36 | Azar | haha |
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| 22:49.00 | Guerin | SNow: httpd.apache.org has good doc |
| 22:49.05 | yoo | j'ai une couille |
| 22:49.12 | k_osh | dondelelcaro: I think that is fixed now however. Apache2-common is a dependancy, not apache-common. That's been fixed now... |
| 22:49.13 | yoo | ouos sorry ! |
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| 22:49.21 | grimboy | Hey is it possible that anyone here could do me a favour and tell me if you can display the xcf fonts here > http://www.proggyfonts.com/index.php?menu=download I can't and I want to know if it's just me. |
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| 22:49.34 | SNow | Guerin really |
| 22:49.35 | cydork | JordiGH, aptitude can sort |
| 22:49.40 | SNow | Guerin about debian too ? |
| 22:49.41 | Guerin | SNow: truly. |
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| 22:49.42 | k_osh | Guerin: good to know. thanks for the hint. |
| 22:49.49 | Guerin | SNow: no, about apache. |
| 22:49.52 | SNow | I'm starting to be nervous |
| 22:49.53 | JordiGH | cydork: Can it sort all packages by size? I haven't been able to figure out how. |
| 22:49.53 | grimboy | (You know cause if it isn't then I can complain to the owner and whatnot) |
| 22:50.04 | Dante123 | i have some logitech laptop speakers.....how can I get them to work with linux? They are USB. |
| 22:50.07 | Azar | for example if I used aptitude upgrade and got a xserver-xfree86 , aptitude pulled xdm as well, then I removed xdm with apt-get == as a result every following instance of aptitude update told me that xserver-xfree86 is to be removed. Aptitude just got confused |
| 22:50.09 | dondelelcaro | k_osh: it's not that it's been fixed, it's that what was required in apache-common is now in apache2-common. |
| 22:50.13 | SNow | apache2 is working, php5 already installed php5-dev too libapache2-php5 too, what's more, I have put the addhandler what the fuck do I need more? |
| 22:50.16 | Dante123 | I've read about others getting them to work with Linux (out of the box) but mine aren't working...do you suppose they have to be plugged in at boot up? |
| 22:50.24 | yoo | xingu, it's you who tell me : |
| 22:50.25 | yoo | mv /etc/inittab.real /etc/inittab |
| 22:50.29 | yoo | ? |
| 22:50.30 | Guerin | Dante123: probably |
| 22:50.32 | dondelelcaro | SNow: you need to actually enable the php5 module and restart apache2. |
| 22:50.42 | streuner | fucking bullshit |
| 22:50.44 | dondelelcaro | SNow: a2enmod php5; and restart apache. |
| 22:50.45 | JordiGH | Btw, back to my question way up there ^ |
| 22:51.06 | Guerin | JordiGH: repear |
| 22:51.07 | SNow | This module does not exist! |
| 22:51.07 | Guerin | t |
| 22:51.09 | SNow | what;// |
| 22:51.11 | k_osh | dondelelcaro: ah, ok. I'm sure you are better informed than me. Funny thing is though that when I got it with apt-get it didn't install apache-common. But that's water under the bridge now. |
| 22:51.17 | SNow | php5 is already the newest version. |
| 22:51.20 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' | sort -n (dpkg can sort by size) never worked out how to get aptitude to display the actual size probably cydork knows |
| 22:51.21 | cydork | JordiGH, yes it can sort.. |
| 22:51.27 | JordiGH | I can't find anything in policy about how libraries should be split? Is the libfoo, libfoo-dev, libfoo-dev, and libfoo-doc just a recommendation? 'Cause I think libfoo-dev and libfoo-doc should be separated on this one. |
| 22:51.31 | JordiGH | cydork: Where in the manual is that? |
| 22:51.31 | Guerin | or just use ds |
| 22:51.34 | Guerin | !ds |
| 22:51.35 | dpkg | i guess ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 22:51.36 | streuner | SNow: so what's your fucking sources.list? |
| 22:51.37 | xingu | yoo: yes, that was the google ifl match for your symptom |
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| 22:51.44 | Azar | Dante123: I would guess you should enable your usb modules for sound/speaker.. |
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| 22:52.00 | yoo | xingu, paste me the page please |
| 22:52.06 | streuner | SNow: show us in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 22:52.10 | yoo | because it's OK now !!! |
| 22:52.18 | yoo | i want an explication |
| 22:52.31 | yoo | xingu: thanks a lot |
| 22:52.33 | dondelelcaro | SNow: then you have, for whatever reason, apparently deleted php5.conf and php5.load from /etc/apache2/mods-available. |
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| 22:52.44 | streuner | yoo: you used a custom kernel and asking us what's wrong? |
| 22:52.44 | xingu | yoo: http://johnfry.org/blog/?p=105 |
| 22:52.49 | Dante123 | Azar...how would one do that? |
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| 22:52.59 | yoo | streuner, yes |
| 22:53.07 | dondelelcaro | k_osh: it won't have done so after the 2.2 transition, but before, it would have. |
| 22:53.09 | JordiGH | cydork: Can it sort like synaptic does too? By section, no matter what's installed on your system? Then sort within the same section for installed and non-installed stuff? I basically want pretty much exactly the same sorting functionality as synaptic (and more, of course). |
| 22:53.13 | SNow | dondelelcaro there weren't anything like that ;/ |
| 22:53.19 | Azar | Dante123: good question, with woody I would know how but I do not know with Sarge or Etch |
| 22:53.21 | dondelelcaro | SNow: are you using Debian? |
| 22:53.25 | SNow | yeap |
| 22:53.32 | SNow | dondelelcaro that is very strange huh ? |
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| 22:53.33 | tonyb2006 | are the etch weekly builds mirrored anywhere? |
| 22:53.37 | dondelelcaro | SNow: if you're using Debian with a recent version, then they're there. |
| 22:53.37 | SNow | I would enabled that by symlinking |
| 22:53.45 | streuner | !d-i tonyb2006 |
| 22:53.45 | dpkg | tonyb2006, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:53.56 | SNow | I have loaded the mod_proxy already, I know how to do it dondelelcaro |
| 22:54.03 | Azar | Dante123: what Debian version are you using? |
| 22:54.46 | dondelelcaro | SNow: Those are the files that you symlink *TO*. They have to exist if you want php5 to work. |
| 22:54.46 | tonyb2006 | streuner: i don't want debian installer |
| 22:54.46 | cydork | JordiGH, that i am not sure.. but should not be difficult.. |
| 22:54.46 | tonyb2006 | i want a dvd set |
| 22:54.46 | Azar | wow |
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| 22:54.46 | streuner | tonyb2006: www.debian.org |
| 22:54.46 | JordiGH | tonyb2006: You mean, you want to buy one? |
| 22:54.46 | tonyb2006 | no |
| 22:54.48 | tonyb2006 | download one |
| 22:54.52 | tonyb2006 | cdimage.debian.org is being slow |
| 22:55.01 | Dante123 | Not using Debian itself....Puppy Linux.....just figured you Debians guys would know... |
| 22:55.08 | SNow | dondelelcaro I know that they must exist, but after installing libapache2-php5 and php5 and php5-dev and others, I still haven't found php5.load ant .conf there!! |
| 22:55.15 | JordiGH | Dante123: we don't take kindly to heathen distros around here. |
| 22:55.16 | sherdog | Hey all.. I am confused.. When downloading (tcp) how much do I upload to aknoledge packets? |
| 22:55.27 | sherdog | Plz highlight when answer |
| 22:55.29 | Azar | tonyb2006: that would be useless.... you can do an install then have anything you want installed later, from the oven |
| 22:55.30 | dondelelcaro | SNow: then you had deleted them at some point in the past. /msg dpkg confmiss; and reinstall them. |
| 22:55.44 | dondelelcaro | sherdog: depends on the packet size. |
| 22:55.44 | tonyb2006 | Azar: that's what I do now |
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| 22:55.55 | Dante123 | Well....if you saw the ancient hardware that this distro is running on....you might have a more tender heart. ;-) |
| 22:56.00 | tonyb2006 | meh |
| 22:56.12 | tonyb2006 | I have a system with an odd firewall |
| 22:56.31 | sherdog | dondelelcaro do u have a website to explain it plz? |
| 22:56.32 | tonyb2006 | that requires you to open a browser and log in before doing any HTTP traffic |
| 22:56.33 | Azar | Dante123: if your stuff is really old try Woody |
| 22:56.49 | JordiGH | If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, |
| 22:56.49 | JordiGH | And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort, |
| 22:56.49 | JordiGH | And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, |
| 22:56.50 | JordiGH | Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report! |
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| 22:56.55 | cydork | hahah |
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| 22:57.01 | JordiGH | If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, |
| 22:57.01 | JordiGH | And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort, |
| 22:57.01 | Azar | but no much usb support there |
| 22:57.02 | JordiGH | And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, |
| 22:57.04 | cydork | !pal JordiGH |
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| 22:57.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@148.235.65.240] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:57.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:57.10 | dondelelcaro | sherdog: there's not much to explain; if you want it in detail, there are loads of books on how TCP works |
| 22:57.19 | Guerin | good call |
| 22:57.25 | streuner | no |
| 22:57.30 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: let me know when you're done. |
| 22:57.33 | Azar | ok who was that |
| 22:57.45 | Azar | :) |
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| 22:58.01 | sherdog | dondelelcaro okay, well.. I got an isp offering me 20mbit/512kbps.. Some guys claim that u cant use a 20mbit line with only 512 upload.. |
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| 22:58.10 | SNow | worked thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 22:58.28 | Guerin | sherdog: they're full o'shit |
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| 22:58.43 | Guerin | sherdog: an isp can shape however they like |
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| 22:59.09 | streuner | Why do you think nobody loves you? |
| 22:59.11 | sherdog | Guerin well, I mean the ammount of upload needed to download with 20mbit.. |
| 22:59.13 | Azar | sherdog: you fell in the bandwidth trap, you should be lucky not to be billed with a huge note |
| 22:59.23 | Guerin | sherdog: nothing even remotely close to 512k |
| 22:59.43 | dondelelcaro | sherdog: they're on crack, unless you're being sent itty bitty packets. |
| 23:00.23 | tonyb2006 | 20% [======> ] 136,645,088 2.20M/s ETA 06:37 |
| 23:00.34 | JordiGH | 2 megs per second... |
| 23:00.37 | Guerin | tonyb2006: explain in 10 words or less why we might care |
| 23:00.37 | JordiGH | show off. :-( |
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| 23:00.45 | JordiGH | I feel lucky if I get 10k/s. :-( |
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| 23:00.49 | tonyb2006 | that wasn't supposed to paste |
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| 23:01.11 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I don't even get that speed on the local LAN. :-( |
| 23:01.16 | Azar | sherdog: have a read :) http://www.draac.com/trap.html |
| 23:01.17 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: no fair, you're at a .edu |
| 23:01.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yes, I cheat. ;-) |
| 23:01.42 | X-plo | Hi, hello i'm trying to read my windows particion and i can;t do this as user but as root i can see it how can i do to see and read the windows pariticion as user |
| 23:01.53 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: you're doing a phd microbiogy, no? |
| 23:02.03 | Guerin | add a 'lo' in there |
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| 23:02.16 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: cell, molecular and developmental biology, but yeah. |
| 23:02.17 | JordiGH | !ntfs |
| 23:02.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 23:02.25 | JordiGH | X-plo ^^ |
| 23:02.28 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: how long? |
| 23:02.35 | dondelelcaro | this is my 5th year; probably 1 more. |
| 23:02.50 | cydork | dondelelcaro, developmental biology? |
| 23:02.51 | Guerin | fifth year from finishing undergrad? |
| 23:02.55 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Speaking of which, someone was asking me about muscle. Do you use it? |
| 23:02.57 | sherdog | Azar Guerin dondelelcaro thank u very much for your quick replies.. Damn I love the excellent answers u get on freenode.. :) |
| 23:03.04 | JordiGH | !info muscle |
| 23:03.11 | dpkg | muscle: ([Biology] multiple alignment program of protein sequences), section science, is optional. Version: 3.60-1 (sid), Packaged size: 214 kB, Installed size: 552 kB |
| 23:03.12 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh |
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| 23:03.25 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, my 5th year in the PhD program. |
| 23:03.34 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: jeee-sus. |
| 23:03.44 | tonyb2006 | Azar: about that bandwidth trap thing, seems kinda outdated |
| 23:04.10 | X-plo | JordiGH, tell me |
| 23:04.33 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: no, I don't; I don't do much work on proteins, most of the stuff I do is with lipids and some DNA... and I've never bothered with the alignment stuff much beyond blast (primarily because it's fairly useless unless you know the crystalline structure) |
| 23:04.40 | sherdog | Azar im not quite sure what to make of the link? sry :( |
| 23:04.42 | Guerin | hm, though, that adds up |
| 23:05.04 | Guerin | i have a mate doing myconid ecology MSc, he';s taken 2.5 years for it. |
| 23:05.09 | JordiGH | X-plo: Tell you what? |
| 23:05.17 | Guerin | lucky me, my MA should only take a year |
| 23:05.20 | JordiGH | !info folding@home |
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| 23:05.33 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, I don't have a masters |
| 23:05.41 | linux2 | does anyone know why i am unable to connec to ANY devices via minicom |
| 23:05.46 | linux2 | all settings are correct |
| 23:05.50 | linux2 | 100% correct |
| 23:05.56 | dondelelcaro | unlikely |
| 23:05.57 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: does that lengthen the PhD? |
| 23:06.05 | linux2 | it just doesn't do anything with any of the cisco or other routers i have |
| 23:06.16 | linux2 | along with switches and ISDN modems |
| 23:06.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: depends; in the sciences a masters is generally a consolation prize, although we do grant just masterss. |
| 23:06.24 | JordiGH | 2 years for master's 3 for phd around here. After that, gov't cuts funding. :-O |
| 23:06.34 | X-plo | JordiGH, i said something wrong? :( |
| 23:06.35 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, if your phd isn't up to scratch? |
| 23:06.47 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, or if you get married or... |
| 23:06.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:06.59 | Guerin | the booby prize. |
| 23:07.00 | Azar | sherdog: it is an old article but gives a general view |
| 23:07.00 | JordiGH | X-plo: No, I just don't understand what you were asking... But I do suppose that the !ntfs factoid didn't answer your question. |
| 23:07.13 | k_osh | JordiGH: what about that F@H? I didn't get any info about it. |
| 23:07.19 | karsten | k_osh: Which lab? |
| 23:07.41 | JordiGH | k_osh: I thought it was a Debian package in the non-free section... non-free software in the sciences makes me particularly sore, but I guess it's not in Debian. |
| 23:07.45 | karsten | k_osh: I'm thinking Bang or Blank or something like that. |
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| 23:07.49 | k_osh | karsten: oh, not like that. I just run their program. |
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| 23:08.12 | x_link | karsten JordiGH Guerin Thanks ALOT for the help, I appreciat eit alot!. |
| 23:08.13 | JordiGH | Ah, here we go... |
| 23:08.18 | x_link | Everything is working now. |
| 23:08.18 | JordiGH | !mount ntfs |
| 23:08.18 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
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| 23:08.31 | x_link | I must get some sleep now. |
| 23:08.34 | JordiGH | X-plo: Can you understand those instructions that dpkg just gave? |
| 23:08.38 | karsten | k_osh: Ok. |
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| 23:08.43 | karsten | x_link: NP. |
| 23:08.45 | dondelelcaro | linux2: the fact that it's not connecting is almost a sure indication that you've got settings or the serial port or something else misconfigured. |
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| 23:09.00 | X-plo | yes sorry but my english it's not too good :p |
| 23:09.04 | JordiGH | I was an annoying clueless newbie once... I still am. |
| 23:09.22 | karsten | JordiGH: You're not looking for an argument, are you? |
| 23:09.28 | sherdog | Damn! This stubborn guy, keeps saying that when he is downloading with 8mbps, he sends at least 35kbps to aknoledge the packages.. Can someone verify of this is anywere near the right ammount.. (in general) |
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| 23:09.34 | JordiGH | Aha. .es I thought I saw a Romance-induced English misspelling. |
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| 23:09.38 | k_osh | karsten: I've got my expertise in other areas... like battlefield2 and other such useful crafts. and i've been a unix-hpc admin for some years... |
| 23:09.57 | JordiGH | karsten: By no means... |
| 23:10.14 | JordiGH | X-plo: I'm going to chat with you in #debian-es |
| 23:10.19 | X-plo | hehehe thank guys but i;m learning english as well so i;m trying to understand here :p thank JordiGH |
| 23:10.21 | karsten | k_osh: "Block Lab" mean anything to you? |
| 23:10.23 | karsten | JordiGH: ;-) |
| 23:10.39 | sherdog | Damn! This stubborn guy, keeps saying that when he is downloading with 8mbps, he sends at least 35kbps to aknoledge the packages.. Can someone verify of this is anywere near the right ammount.. (in general) Azar? |
| 23:10.48 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: well i have tried it on multiple machines and have verified that it is /dev/ttyS0 on both machines |
| 23:10.49 | karsten | !tell sherdog about repeat |
| 23:10.53 | linux2 | they all do not do anything |
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| 23:11.15 | Azar | sherdog: if you have patience and read that article, old as is it gives you the idea how it adds up |
| 23:11.17 | k_osh | karsten: nope. something in stanford? I'm not even american... |
| 23:11.19 | Guerin | sherdog: still doesn't follow that 20mbit will require more than 512kbit |
| 23:11.19 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i was able to connect to an ISDN modem briefly but then it gave the illusion that it froze |
| 23:11.21 | groogs__ | read |
| 23:11.21 | linux2 | not sure why |
| 23:11.28 | karsten | sherdog: depends on the protocol. tcp acks and recpts, with a 1500 MTU should be pretty minimal. |
| 23:11.31 | karsten | k_osh: Nevermind then. |
| 23:11.50 | dondelelcaro | sherdog: considering the fact that you can have 40 byte acks, and MTU sized packets, it's a pretty straightforward calculation. |
| 23:13.42 | sherdog | Sry for repeating guys.. Just had a great guide once that explained it easily.. :) |
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| 23:14.22 | dondelelcaro | linux2: and you've connected the machines with a null modem cable and have set the terminals to the proper speed? |
| 23:14.46 | sherdog | dondelelcaro and I have no idea what MTU is yet.. I will keep reading, ty |
| 23:15.03 | dondelelcaro | !mtu |
| 23:15.03 | dpkg | [mtu] Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces> |
| 23:15.17 | karsten | sherdog: maximum transmission unit. Maximum packet size. You generate an ack per packet. |
| 23:15.33 | karsten | sherdog: And defaults to 1500 or so usually. |
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| 23:15.41 | sherdog | Ohh, and 1500 means 1500bytes? |
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| 23:15.47 | karsten | sherdog: Aye. |
| 23:15.48 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: Admin. Port RJ-45-to-DB-25 Adapter Cable |
| 23:16.02 | sherdog | ty! :) |
| 23:16.09 | karsten | sherdog: Smaller on ATM IIRC. |
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| 23:16.19 | karsten | sherdog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTU_(networking) |
| 23:16.27 | dondelelcaro | linux2: and you're sure that ttyS0 is the DB25 and not the DB9? |
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| 23:17.19 | protolnx | hi anyone got a one liner to mount a flash drive vfat with user permissions rw?? |
| 23:17.24 | protolnx | how about this one? |
| 23:17.27 | protolnx | chmod 777 /media/FLSHDRV |
| 23:17.29 | streuner | i think, the main thing is that somebody loves himself, isn't it? |
| 23:17.37 | Guerin | protolnx: wtf |
| 23:17.42 | karsten | sherdog: There's also packet protocol overhead. 44 bytes/packet ATM, I forget the TCP/IP packet overhead. |
| 23:17.44 | Guerin | protolnx: man fstab |
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| 23:18.01 | Guerin | sherdog: the short answer is: overheads are fuck-all |
| 23:18.04 | protolnx | or this one? noauto,noexec,umask=026,users <----- ?? |
| 23:18.10 | karsten | protolnx: mounts don't inherit mountpoint directory permissions. |
| 23:18.17 | JordiGH | If this is too offtopic, then tell me to shut up or to go to #debian-offtopic. Can someone explain why Intel can get away with free drivers but nvidia thinks it can't? |
| 23:18.34 | Guerin | sherdog: you can check this with iptraf or such, while downloading something wehich saturates your link |
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| 23:18.35 | xingu | karsten: frame != segment; ethernet frames are variable length, a frame containing an ack will be shorter than one containing a data segment; |
| 23:18.35 | JordiGH | protolnx: my /etc/fstab reads /dev/sda1 /usb vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 23:18.39 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: you'd have to ask Nvidia that... no one else understands it |
| 23:18.43 | karsten | sherdog: 32 bits for TCP/IP |
| 23:18.52 | protolnx | karsten so how on earth may make the flash driver to behave just like windows where I can copy and delete stuff?? |
| 23:19.07 | Guerin | protolnx: i already told you |
| 23:19.15 | karsten | sherdog: Point remains: roughly 40 bytes per 1500 bytes of payload, outbound traffic. |
| 23:19.17 | Guerin | protolnx: what are you waiting for, a red carpet? |
| 23:19.21 | JordiGH | protolnx: Which by the way seems unnecessary with KDE and GNOME which both automount with some black magic without need for an fstab entry. |
| 23:19.25 | pickcoder | JordiGH: free drivers expose too much proprietary information. I've yet to see a 3D card by Intel that is anything close to ATI or NV |
| 23:19.30 | karsten | protolnx: /msg dpkg |
| 23:19.37 | Azar | Guerin, "ignoring help is FUN" :) |
| 23:19.54 | sherdog | ty karsten and others.. .) |
| 23:20.06 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I'm sure building a processor is also a very difficult operation. Why does Intel give free drivers for that? Is a video card much more technically complex than a processor? |
| 23:20.11 | Guerin | protolnx: i think it has more to do with sgi NDAs and patent licenses |
| 23:20.20 | protolnx | JordiGH aha if I put in fstab every time I mount it manually will inheri those options? |
| 23:20.27 | azeem | JordiGH: free drivers for a CPU? |
| 23:20.30 | JordiGH | protolnx: Yes. |
| 23:20.30 | Guerin | protolnx: man fstab |
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| 23:20.44 | karsten | protolnx: Technically, it's not inheriting them, you're assigning permissions. |
| 23:21.03 | JordiGH | azeem: Ok, fine, for an intel video card. But linux certainly knows stuff about intel hardware? |
| 23:21.14 | karsten | protolnx: short answer is set uid, gid, umask for mountpoint, and add your user(s) to the appropriate group(s) to access. |
| 23:22.00 | JordiGH | protolnx: Also, like I said before, this fstab entry seems unnecessary in KDE. I don't understand how it automatically mounts stuff without an fstab entry. |
| 23:22.04 | protolnx | Guerin how about mount ? What are the permissions? |
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| 23:22.23 | Azar | woot my gammon game stopped working! hmm |
| 23:22.37 | azeem | JordiGH: I'm not sure what your point is, if there is any |
| 23:23.07 | pickcoder | JordiGH: also, I really don't think that the open source community could keep up with their hardware layers |
| 23:23.26 | JordiGH | azeem: My point, if indeed there is any, is that I don't get why nvidia thinks it's different from other companies that do give free drivers for their hardware. |
| 23:23.44 | JordiGH | azeem: Because they're smaller? Because the competition in 3d cards is different? |
| 23:23.45 | pickcoder | JordiGH: competition is stuff between the two and they are constantly redesigning the boards and making changes |
| 23:23.46 | protolnx | karsten is that for mount or for fstab? |
| 23:23.51 | tonyb2006 | apparently CD1 of debian has everything I need |
| 23:23.52 | pickcoder | s/stuff/stiff |
| 23:23.56 | tonyb2006 | which is nice |
| 23:24.30 | pickcoder | OpenGL was an attempt to eliminate the proprietary layering |
| 23:24.33 | pickcoder | which works |
| 23:24.38 | JordiGH | Ooh, this is what I was looking for: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299516&page=3 |
| 23:24.47 | pickcoder | as long as there are hardware drivers to perform translation |
| 23:24.47 | protolnx | Guerin sometimes if someone gives you a hand helps to get more familiar with what your are dealing instead of RTFM... |
| 23:24.48 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:25.32 | Guerin | protolnx: yes ... but the information is all quite clearly explained in the manpage. If you'd READ it, then decided it was no help, your comment would be justified. |
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| 23:26.01 | JordiGH | Guerin: manpages are notoriously terse. That's why GNU created info. |
| 23:26.17 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: it's also ok to come back and ask us specific questions about what the manpage says if it's not clear. |
| 23:26.19 | xingu | s/notiously/blissfully/ |
| 23:26.30 | Guerin | JordiGH: that doesn't mean they're not worth reading at all. |
| 23:26.42 | protolnx | Guerin it clears for you that you alredy know what the heck is uid gid pid pod and what not... |
| 23:26.47 | JordiGH | Guerin: No, but you need to read man man before. :-) |
| 23:26.47 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: im guessing the DB-9 has only 9 pins? |
| 23:26.52 | dondelelcaro | linux2: yes... |
| 23:27.07 | Guerin | protolnx: those are googlable |
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| 23:27.09 | JordiGH | Guerin: Which, by the way, itself is a hgue document. :-) |
| 23:27.19 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: goddammit, stupid wrong cable |
| 23:27.21 | Guerin | protolnx: and you do need to learn stuff when using a new system |
| 23:27.24 | protolnx | if someone tells me how to make the line then I say AHA that's how can I use and reading the manpages later I can implement and play around with other options |
| 23:27.27 | dondelelcaro | linux2: on most cases, the DB9 is COM1 (aka, ttyS0); the DB25 is either COM2 or LP1 |
| 23:27.49 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: so a parallel port cable |
| 23:27.53 | protolnx | Guerin they are googable and ircable too ;-) |
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| 23:28.02 | Guerin | !order |
| 23:28.02 | dpkg | i guess order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 23:28.04 | pickcoder | linux2: is the DB25 on the PC female or male |
| 23:28.09 | dondelelcaro | (if it's a female, it's LP1, if it's a male, it's COM2) |
| 23:28.25 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: female |
| 23:28.29 | Guerin | protolnx: the problem here is that you didn't exhaust the resoures at your own disposal before trying to use others' |
| 23:28.30 | dondelelcaro | linux2: yeah, that's the printer. |
| 23:28.41 | Guerin | JordiGH: patches welcome |
| 23:28.46 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: well i don't think i have one of those cables lying around |
| 23:28.48 | linux2 | darn |
| 23:29.05 | dondelelcaro | linux2: the switches should have come with one; they're really cheapoid. |
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| 23:29.18 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: got it used |
| 23:29.20 | JordiGH | Guerin: Btw, how do you invoke tar? It's kinda cute that everyone seems to memorise their own special list of args to pass to tar and ps. :-) |
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| 23:29.32 | Guerin | JordiGH: to do what? |
| 23:29.40 | JordiGH | Guerin: to unpack a tar.gz |
| 23:29.41 | dondelelcaro | tar only has about 30 options... |
| 23:29.45 | Guerin | JordiGH: tar cjf, or tar zxf |
| 23:29.53 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: for a total of 2^30. :-) |
| 23:30.00 | Guerin | JordiGH: the first to compress, naturally/ |
| 23:30.13 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: that's just ordering; that matters not. |
| 23:30.18 | pickcoder | 2 to the 30th power? |
| 23:30.19 | Guerin | JordiGH: I don't see there;s another way ... |
| 23:30.31 | dserban | how do I tell if a file is a hard link? :o |
| 23:30.37 | JordiGH | Guerin: I like to use tar -zxvf |
| 23:30.38 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you could add a -... that's about it. |
| 23:30.40 | dserban | ls -il? |
| 23:30.47 | dondelelcaro | dserban: you can stat it |
| 23:30.54 | dserban | and check to see if the inode's the same? |
| 23:30.58 | dserban | oh ok thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:30.59 | SerajewelKS | dserban: hard links are by definition not different from any other file |
| 23:31.02 | dondelelcaro | dserban: no, just check the Link: file |
| 23:31.06 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Each option is either on or off... although it's true that it's a bit lower than that. |
| 23:31.10 | Guerin | JordiGH: i prefer not to see scrolling lines of useless information, if possible |
| 23:31.11 | dondelelcaro | s/Link: file/Links: line/ |
| 23:31.12 | xingu | SerajewelKS: except for link count |
| 23:31.23 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: large numbers of the options take arguments |
| 23:31.26 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: would a serial to parallel port converter work? |
| 23:31.27 | Guerin | anyway, I really am going to have a shower now |
| 23:31.31 | SerajewelKS | xingu: well sure, but that's a property of the inode, not the filename |
| 23:31.45 | dondelelcaro | linux2: in theory, but you're hoping that the pinouts are done right... |
| 23:31.56 | dondelelcaro | linux2: it's worth a shot if you've got one handy |
| 23:32.26 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i got plenty, let me give it a try |
| 23:32.29 | linux2 | brb |
| 23:33.35 | protolnx | Guerin ok irc is like a class with teachers and students. A teacher wouldn't tell in a class a student the get the hell outta the class get answers. The learning process is incremental, the teacher gives a series of notes, guides, explanations, wherein the students can use to learn further. |
| 23:33.57 | JordiGH | protolnx: Most would disagree that anyone here is a teacher. :-/ |
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| 23:34.15 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: if you pay the teachers, then that can happen; otherwise, the students are expected to teach themselves. |
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| 23:35.15 | protolnx | dondelelcaro what about the spirit of OPENS SOURCE community? You sound like a die-hard m$$$ capitalist |
| 23:35.17 | aFlag | hello. When I updated my debian etch system I got this warnings: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qQTj7W44.html any idea of what they could be? |
| 23:35.41 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: this is the open source community, by the way... this is the Free Software community. |
| 23:35.43 | pickcoder | protolnx: open source community has nothing to do with someone wanting to be spoon fed on IRC |
| 23:35.48 | JordiGH | protolnx: Hey, we free software enthusiasts want money too! |
| 23:36.15 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: and they have nothing to do with eachother; demanding others to do things for you isn't compatible with this channel. |
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| 23:36.28 | dondelelcaro | s/this is/this isn't/ |
| 23:36.58 | JordiGH | The Fable Of #Debian seems relevant... |
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| 23:37.49 | amphi | !fable |
| 23:37.49 | dpkg | fable is, like, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 23:38.12 | protolnx | well the permissions dx--rw-rw <<--- those are the hardest for me to get where may I learn more about it? For instace chmod chown grchmod, etc. |
| 23:38.27 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: the place to learn about them is info coreutils 'File Permissions'; |
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| 23:38.40 | protolnx | i was doing chown user files inside /home/user/ |
| 23:38.40 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: read about Symbolic Permissions and Numeric Permissions. |
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| 23:38.49 | aFlag | no ideas for my thing? :( |
| 23:38.52 | Azar | aFlag: you upgraded from Sarge? what kernel version you were using at the upgrade time? how did you performed the upgrade? |
| 23:38.52 | zarathustra-br | boa noite senhores |
| 23:39.10 | aFlag | Azar, no, I installed etch directly from the cd |
| 23:39.23 | dondelelcaro | aFlag: nothing really to worry about |
| 23:39.36 | Azar | ah yep not to worry then |
| 23:39.43 | aFlag | alright |
| 23:40.07 | Azar | !br |
| 23:40.07 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:40.32 | JordiGH | ? |
| 23:40.32 | protolnx | dondelelcaro info coreutils is HUGE!!! |
| 23:40.33 | xingu | dserban: perl -e 'exit ((! -d "somefile") && (@{[lstat("somefile")]}[3]>1))' - will return true if "somefile" is not a directory and has a link count >1 |
| 23:40.47 | dondelelcaro | protolnx: of course. |
| 23:40.51 | amphi | JordiGH: heh, I'd forgotten about that - did your firmware amelioration work? |
| 23:40.52 | xingu | dserban: it's a reasonably proxy for "this guy has a doppleganger on this fs" |
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| 23:41.53 | Azar | :( my xgammon game does not work anymore since I installed nvidia-glx :( |
| 23:42.05 | pickcoder | protolnx: you can't learn it all in one night. You have to be determined to learn and re-learn if you want to be a wise user or admin. |
| 23:42.24 | pickcoder | I'm still learning stuff and I started on Slackware in 95 |
| 23:42.36 | dondelelcaro | xingu: you could also just go [ $(stat +%c foofile) -gt 1 ]; |
| 23:42.58 | protolnx | pickcoder at what level are after 11 years using linux? |
| 23:43.06 | dondelelcaro | rr... s/+%c/-c %h/ |
| 23:43.17 | protolnx | pickcoder I mean what else is there to learn after so long time? |
| 23:43.21 | pickcoder | a LOT |
| 23:43.37 | JordiGH | apmhi: I haven't been able to boot into DOS to run what turned out to be a DOS flasher... Indeed, dd the DOS bootdisk to a usb didn't work (and I accidentally dded it to the Windows "rescue" partition accidentally trashing it in the process). |
| 23:43.38 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: what would the device name be? /dev/lp0 |
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| 23:43.50 | earthian | hello |
| 23:43.50 | pickcoder | you will become expert at the things you use daily |
| 23:44.03 | pickcoder | other than that, you will be either a novice or an intermediate |
| 23:44.05 | earthian | can somebody help me fixing a possible security problem? |
| 23:44.07 | earthian | http://pastebin.it/2331 |
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| 23:44.12 | dondelelcaro | linux2: you want to plug it into com1 somehow so it'll be on /dev/ttys0; using the parallel port as a serial port is an exercise in madness. |
| 23:44.12 | pickcoder | depending on how often you use something |
| 23:44.22 | Azar | protolnx: Debian is huge, I have only 3 and half years and I still am a simple user... |
| 23:44.34 | earthian | could somebody explain what those addresses there do in my postfix log ??? http://pastebin.it/2331 |
| 23:44.48 | pickcoder | I still don't know bash scripting completely |
| 23:44.52 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: so i can't simply just use a converter? |
| 23:44.54 | Azar | earthian: try #postfix |
| 23:45.03 | linux2 | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps565/products_installation_guide_chapter09186a00802ee3bb.html |
| 23:45.03 | pickcoder | but I can write lots of Perl and PHP |
| 23:45.04 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:45.09 | pickcoder | as well as C |
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| 23:45.16 | dondelelcaro | linux2: you can if you're using a converter which allows you to plug the adapter into the serial porit |
| 23:45.19 | dondelelcaro | s/rit/rt/ |
| 23:45.21 | xingu | dondelelcaro: fair do, my life's too short to keep track of the full breadth of today's userland; useful to know about though. |
| 23:45.23 | linux2 | i have an RJ-45 to DB-9 Adapter cable |
| 23:45.26 | pickcoder | thus, that's why there's so many people here. |
| 23:45.40 | xingu | dondelelcaro: you still need the -d test though I think |
| 23:45.48 | JordiGH | amphi: Any clue what to do? This lappy doesn't have a floppy. My next idea is to mess around with the partition tables on the hard disk, delete the trashed partition, put DOS there and boot into it with grub. |
| 23:45.52 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: let me put it this way. The cable i have goes to a serial port |
| 23:45.54 | dondelelcaro | xingu: well, if you cared about whether it was a file or not... |
| 23:45.56 | linux2 | the manual says to use |
| 23:46.03 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.07 | xingu | dondelelcaro: problem spec was " |
| 23:46.09 | dondelelcaro | xingu: directories often have lots of hardlinks to them... |
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| 23:46.17 | pickcoder | RJ45 3-wire? |
| 23:46.24 | amphi | JordiGH: you could burn an eltorito dos cdrw ;) |
| 23:46.33 | xingu | dondelelcaro: "... if the file is a hard link" |
| 23:46.51 | dondelelcaro | xingu: sure; you'd just have [ -d $foofile ] && [...] |
| 23:46.56 | JordiGH | amphi: Why can't I boot dos from a usb pendrive? |
| 23:47.15 | xingu | dondelelcaro: directories are hard linked to by the subdirs contained within only, that's why you can't create them with ln; it confuses the heck out of fsck... |
| 23:47.22 | linux2 | http://www.more.net/technical/netserv/routers/cisco1720/images/serial-router-w.jpg |
| 23:47.23 | amphi | JordiGH: perhaps you can |
| 23:47.25 | dondelelcaro | xingu: yerp |
| 23:47.29 | linux2 | i have the console cable in that picture |
| 23:47.46 | JordiGH | amphi: Should I dd the image to /dev/sda or to /dev/sda1 ? |
| 23:47.51 | dondelelcaro | the .. and . hardlinks are always interesting |
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| 23:48.00 | xingu | especially when you hose one |
| 23:48.05 | xingu | somewhere critical |
| 23:48.08 | xingu | like... /dev |
| 23:48.22 | linux2 | http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/dynaweb_docs/linux/SGI_EndUser/books/SGIconsole_HW_CG/sgi_html/figures/pinout.RJ45-to-DB9.cable.gif |
| 23:48.31 | amphi | JordiGH: ah ;) I think you should delete all partitions and use the raw device |
| 23:48.40 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: you see those links? |
| 23:48.54 | dondelelcaro | linux2: yeah, you usually use the RJ45 to DB9 adapter; it's a little dongle that you plug the console cable into. |
| 23:49.22 | dondelelcaro | linux2: the DB25 adapter is sometimes used on old machines which have a male DB25 COM2, but those are becomming very rare |
| 23:49.22 | JordiGH | amphi: I hope I can figure it out today. I just got an SMS from my gf: "wanna rent a DVD tonight?" :P |
| 23:49.43 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: so the cable i have should work |
| 23:49.46 | linux2 | so might i ask |
| 23:49.47 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: need some Digi XEM pods? <g> |
| 23:49.52 | linux2 | why is it not working? |
| 23:49.54 | amphi | JordiGH: tell her to 'research' it in a different format ;) |
| 23:50.05 | dondelelcaro | linux2: the cable is cool, you just need a RJ45<->DB9 adapter |
| 23:50.14 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i have one |
| 23:50.50 | dondelelcaro | linux2: ok... so you should be able to plug the DB9 adapter into COM1, and go from there. |
| 23:51.00 | linux2 | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/3a/61/af_2.JPG&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-Console-Cable-RJ45-to-DB9-Part-72-3383-01-NEW_W0QQitemZ110021372223QQihZ001QQcategoryZ67291QQcmdZViewItem&h=165&w=200&sz=7&hl=en&start=34&tbnid=DBkUFOohyuc7yM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drj-45%2Bto%2Bdb-9%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN |
| 23:51.03 | JordiGH | amphi: We don't have anything else to play it in... |
| 23:51.05 | linux2 | looks just like that |
| 23:51.11 | linux2 | whoa! long link |
| 23:51.20 | JordiGH | You mean, looks like crap? |
| 23:51.20 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: yeah that was my issue in the first place |
| 23:51.24 | dondelelcaro | http://www.nexstarsite.com/images/DB9-RJ45.jpg <-- this is what the adapter is |
| 23:51.42 | linux2 | nothing shows up in minicom |
| 23:51.49 | linux2 | when connecting to any device |
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| 23:52.02 | dondelelcaro | linux2: and you're sure that it's plugged into com1, and com1 is enabled in the motherboard? |
| 23:52.11 | linux2 | yep, positive |
| 23:52.20 | pickcoder | wonder if that cable needs a null modem adapter |
| 23:52.22 | dondelelcaro | linux2: and you've got the right baudrate set? |
| 23:52.31 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: yep 9600 |
| 23:52.39 | dondelelcaro | it's really 9600? |
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| 23:52.46 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 23:53.07 | dondelelcaro | that's slow... anyway, assuming the baudrate is right, you should be able to take minicom online, turn on local echo, and bang away on the serial port. |
| 23:53.09 | JordiGH | Who were the King and the Court in the Fable? Ian Murdock? |
| 23:53.26 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: turn on local echo? |
| 23:53.35 | dondelelcaro | the fable is a bit wrong, it's trying to allude that Debian Developers came in and said stuff, although, we were always here. |
| 23:53.35 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: this might be the solution to my problem |
| 23:53.35 | pickcoder | linux2: stty -a -F /dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:53.54 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 23:54.19 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: ok, so technially it should work with local echo on |
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| 23:54.27 | linux2 | what about hardware/software control? |
| 23:54.30 | linux2 | what should i do about that? |
| 23:54.34 | xingu | linux2: what peripheral are you connecting to? |
| 23:54.38 | dondelelcaro | linux2: you may need it, but I wouldn't bother with it yet |
| 23:54.52 | linux2 | xingu: a cisco catalyst 1201 |
| 23:54.58 | linux2 | its a switch |
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| 23:55.13 | earthian | could somebody explain what those addresses there do in my postfix log ??? http://pastebin.it/2331 (#postfix is not responding and there are configs of my server in there follow-up http://pastebin.it/2331) thanks! |
| 23:55.34 | earthian | i know that e.g. on line 11 there is a mail that was sent to me... what about other? |
| 23:56.56 | Azar | earthian: try /join #postfix |
| 23:57.12 | earthian | Azar, nobody in there are talking :/ |
| 23:57.24 | earthian | :( |
| 23:57.44 | Azar | earthian: not everybody here are using postfix, I tried it once, and did not worked for me, that's all I can tell |
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| 23:58.00 | earthian | i see. what do you use now? |
| 23:58.15 | Azar | earthian: a web-based mailbox, yahoo |
| 23:58.37 | pickcoder | earthian: what exactly is the issue? |
| 23:58.48 | pickcoder | other than the fact that you're using mydestinations and virtuals for the same domain |
| 23:59.01 | earthian | pickcoder, i suspect that my server is used for spamming.. however i dont know that :( |
| 23:59.03 | pickcoder | which is a no-no, since virtuals may not be on the machine |
| 23:59.20 | earthian | pickcoder, i already fixed that |
| 23:59.30 | pickcoder | if you have a virtual config for fostral.com then remove it from mydestinations |
| 23:59.42 | xingu | linux2: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps565/products_installation_guide_chapter09186a00802ee3ca.html#24482 |
