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| 00:00.56 | earthian | pickcoder, i done this. thanks for the tip. what conserns me are those other hosts in my log |
| 00:01.00 | tonyb2006 | d'oh |
| 00:01.06 | tonyb2006 | not a fsking cd-r in my house |
| 00:01.15 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: ok still nothing |
| 00:01.19 | pickcoder | -> #postfix |
| 00:01.27 | linux2 | with software and hardware control on or off or both on |
| 00:01.32 | linux2 | or both of |
| 00:01.33 | linux2 | f |
| 00:01.41 | linux2 | so im lost as to what to do next |
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| 00:05.16 | JordiGH | Bloody hell... |
| 00:05.29 | JordiGH | I swear BitchX won't obey my .bitchxrc file. |
| 00:05.29 | norbert_ | hi, I'm trying to connect to a quake I server running on my local machine, but a telnet to port 27500 gives me "Connection refused" even though the client /can/ connect; any ideas on how I could 'fix' this?; should I change the local loopback device settings by recompiling the kernel? |
| 00:06.00 | JordiGH | norbert_: Ooh. Nexuiz? |
| 00:06.17 | JordiGH | (me with the usual offtopic questions...) |
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| 00:07.03 | jhay68_johnieL | #teacher |
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| 00:07.10 | blondie | pardon? |
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| 00:07.32 | xingu_ | linux2: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps565/products_installation_guide_chapter09186a00802ee3ca.html#24482 |
| 00:07.36 | xingu_ | linux2: switch end is dte, as is PC; you'll need to accommodate this with a null modem; easiest way to do this is with a cisco rollover (flat blue or black ribbon) plus a DB9 "terminal" shell |
| 00:07.37 | tonyb2006 | sgpgme.h:30: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'sgp gme_verify_signature' |
| 00:07.44 | tonyb2006 | what do you think that means |
| 00:07.49 | xingu_ | linux2: it'll be full duplex (no echo), with hw flow control at 9600 baud when you're done |
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| 00:07.53 | JordiGH | Does anyone here use emacs po mode? Is it possible for docstrings to auto-fill? |
| 00:07.54 | xingu_ | linux2: there's no particular magic to the rollover cable, it is what it says on the tin; 1->8, 2->7, etc. |
| 00:08.44 | pickcoder | cheers |
| 00:08.47 | linux2 | xingu: i have a null modem adapter |
| 00:08.52 | linux2 | xingu: will that do? |
| 00:09.36 | linux2 | xingu: i have the blue cable |
| 00:09.44 | linux2 | do i need the null modem on the end? |
| 00:09.44 | xingu_ | linux2: I can't vouch for it; you'll need to experiment; iff the next parts in series to it are - the modem shell, a straight-through cat5 fly lead, then yes |
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| 00:10.25 | xingu_ | linux2: the working configuration is - cisco modem shell, cisco rollover cable, host configured as 9600,n,8,1 hw handshake no local echo |
| 00:10.39 | linux2 | xingu: ok can do, brb |
| 00:11.06 | xingu_ | linux2: you can substitute rollover cable for a handmade one, or, a cat5e fly lead and a null modem connector behind the terminal shell |
| 00:11.11 | xingu_ | s/modem shell/terminal shell/ |
| 00:11.35 | xingu_ | linux2: you can make a terminal shell with the spec posted in that cco link |
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| 00:14.00 | predder | I didn't get an answer in the #mysql channel. I have a mysql server here running debian. I'm specifying user grants which requires a host. Normally I would put the IP in here but the machine's ip will be changing frequently so I was wanting to put it in /etc/hosts and just change the ip in there. Is this possible? |
| 00:14.43 | xingu_ | linux2: the difference between the cisco terminal shell and the cisco modem shell is in gender as well as rj45 pin layout; the terminal shell creates a dte port, the modem shell creates a dce port |
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| 00:15.08 | xingu_ | linux2: dte to dce on that rj45 is regular cat5e fly lead; dte to dte or dte to dce needs rollover. |
| 00:15.22 | markit | hi, anyone expert of bluetooth connection? I can't make it work as expected |
| 00:15.25 | xingu_ | err, dte to dte or dce to dce needs rollover |
| 00:16.22 | solars_ | doesn't this work to print stdin of a script: MSG=`cat` ; echo "$MSG" ? |
| 00:16.38 | JordiGH | Huh? apt-get source puts on a lock? Why? :-( |
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| 00:16.54 | SerajewelKS | solars_: you mean stdout? |
| 00:16.56 | perlmonk | http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html |
| 00:17.23 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, i want to collect stdin, with MSG=`cat` and then print it to stdout with echo $MSG |
| 00:17.34 | xingu_ | solars_: try "cat -" |
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| 00:17.38 | SerajewelKS | solars_: for what purpose? |
| 00:17.45 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, its just a test |
| 00:17.48 | solars_ | xingu_, one sec |
| 00:17.49 | SerajewelKS | xingu_: "cat -" is equivalent to "cat" |
| 00:18.10 | SerajewelKS | solars_: that would work i suppose... still pointless |
| 00:18.18 | linux2 | xingu_: yay! it works. i just needed the null modem |
| 00:18.21 | SerajewelKS | solars_: just running "cat" should do the same thing |
| 00:18.22 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, yeah just a test, but it does not work .. |
| 00:18.23 | xingu_ | solars_: you'll need to end the stream with EOF (usually ^D, naturally) |
| 00:18.41 | linux2 | xingu_: thanks, and thanks dondelelcaro for your help as well |
| 00:18.54 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 00:18.54 | SerajewelKS | solars_: it works here |
| 00:18.57 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, I have a file 'in' with 2 lines, then do cat in|test.sh (with above code) and it prints nothing |
| 00:19.06 | Gnurdux | someone take a look at the About page for Iceweasel |
| 00:19.50 | SerajewelKS | solars_: that scenario works here too |
| 00:19.59 | SerajewelKS | solars_: echo "foo" |(MSG=`cat`; echo $MSG) |
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| 00:20.37 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, yeah that works.. but why doesn't it work if the left side of the pipe is cat file ? |
| 00:21.11 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, oh wait, I guess its because I use #!/bin/bash in that scriptfile ? |
| 00:21.41 | SerajewelKS | solars_: it works here using cat too |
| 00:21.50 | SerajewelKS | solars_: that should not matter |
| 00:22.05 | SerajewelKS | solars_: is the script executable? |
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| 00:22.31 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, yeah |
| 00:22.51 | SerajewelKS | solars_: no idea. again it works over here. |
| 00:23.06 | solars_ | damn :/ |
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| 00:23.31 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: What about page? |
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| 00:23.37 | blondie | and there there were 5 |
| 00:23.47 | SerajewelKS | !ops 203.111.234.75 planning a flood? |
| 00:23.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: serajewelks complains about: 203.111.234.75 planning a flood |
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| 00:24.18 | khayl | _join #teacher |
| 00:24.26 | SerajewelKS | 6 |
| 00:24.35 | khayl | joy joy joy |
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| 00:24.40 | blondie | shush |
| 00:24.52 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
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| 00:25.55 | JordiGH | Close call... what was it? |
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| 00:26.33 | blondie | mentor: ban fail ;) |
| 00:26.40 | mentor | It was a quiet. |
| 00:26.44 | blondie | ah |
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| 00:27.21 | mentor | Given the length of time those connects are over, I find it unlikely that these are simply a shell host bouncing |
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| 00:29.18 | mentor | You can talk again now... |
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| 00:30.05 | SkareCrow | plus u forgot : |
| 00:30.24 | blondie | the yo in you? |
| 00:30.38 | SkareCrow | there is no yo in u |
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| 00:30.53 | blondie | but there is in you :P |
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| 00:31.00 | SkareCrow | lol |
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| 00:38.10 | smallfoot- | if anyone know a hardware company that done something good or bad such as cooperate with open source or anti-competive, please add it to http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ |
| 00:38.41 | solars_ | SerajewelKS, how can I make an empty if body, like if echo ....; then {} else... ? |
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| 00:40.21 | aredhel | solars_, if that is shell code you can run "true" as the body. |
| 00:40.39 | aredhel | solars_, or just invert the logic of the if statment. |
| 00:40.45 | h00t | hello ... can someone tell me how can i check if I have certain packages installed ... can I use wildcards if i don't know the exact name |
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| 00:41.05 | solars_ | aredhel, ah thank you |
| 00:41.22 | davedwards | anyone have a new java JDK running on their Debain? |
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| 00:41.23 | aredhel | solars_, your welcome |
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| 00:42.05 | davedwards | anyone have AMD64 Debian? |
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| 00:43.32 | davedwards | anyone do Java programming on Debian? |
| 00:45.19 | icub3d | davedwards, i have the new JDK running on Debian |
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| 00:48.28 | ryancr | how long is the time frame for the RX and TX bytes in ifconfig for? |
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| 00:57.52 | predder | !tell davedwards about ask |
| 01:00.55 | Ether_Man | Anyone have any idea on why I can now finally connect to my BT headset.. I can even see btsco sending the stream (through hcidump).. I also hear in the headset the connect beep and the background noise that's always there when it's active.. But I cannot hear anything that's supposed to play up on that interface :/ xmms is set to use it but it the xmms gui only shows it playing for 1sec though the stream seems to continue :/ |
| 01:01.07 | Ether_Man | Erm.. That got too long I think.. right? |
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| 01:02.26 | tolecnal | Ether_Man: we got it all.. but I'm afraid I have no pointers for you :/ |
| 01:03.19 | Ether_Man | Even "upgraded" to unstable to get the bluetooth connection to actually work.. and now it still dont work ;_; |
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| 01:13.59 | kencausey | Should the about:config settings in iceweasel still work much the same as in firefox? I'd previously set browser.display.screen_resolution to work around a problem where everything is just too small. But with iceweasel this setting doesn't seem to be having any effect. |
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| 01:19.14 | nn | can one make debmirror not mirror binary packages, only source? |
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| 01:19.31 | Mathiazz | hello |
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| 01:19.42 | h00t | can anyone tell me how can i see certain packages I have installed ... something like --dpkg-selection but with wildcards and searching |
| 01:19.44 | Mathiazz | i have a probleme to define the hostname |
| 01:19.45 | Mathiazz | =) |
| 01:20.05 | Mathiazz | or /etc/hostname? |
| 01:20.17 | karsten | Mathiazz: /etc/hostname is your friend. |
| 01:20.21 | sanity_assass1 | hello i am ¤urpean user |
| 01:21.02 | nn | karsten: :P I'm trying to set up some automated scriptage to build debian and ubuntu installs targetted to another arch :) |
| 01:21.19 | Mathiazz | karsten come in privacy chat plz |
| 01:21.21 | sanity_assass1 | ----->¤<------- |
| 01:21.37 | karsten | nn: Not my area of expertise. I'll wave in the general direction of the Debian mirror documentation. |
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| 01:21.42 | karsten | Mathiazz: Nope. |
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| 01:22.07 | Mathiazz | difference between /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts? |
| 01:22.16 | nn | karsten: Know where to find directions to building an entire debian or ubuntu binary package collection from a mirror? :) |
| 01:22.20 | karsten | Mathiazz: man 5 hosts |
| 01:22.35 | karsten | Mathiazz: ... man 5 hostname |
| 01:22.42 | Mathiazz | thinks |
| 01:22.50 | karsten | nn: Martin Kraftt's book is where I'd start. |
| 01:23.03 | karsten | nn: "The Debian System". |
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| 01:24.17 | sanity_assass1 | any way to classe by date the recently package i have installed |
| 01:24.33 | karsten | sanity_assass1: Use aptitude and read /var/log/aptitude |
| 01:24.48 | sanity_assass1 | i always use apt-get |
| 01:24.54 | karsten | nn: nnhttp://debiansystem.info/ |
| 01:25.03 | sanity_assass1 | but aptitude too |
| 01:25.07 | karsten | nn: http://debiansystem.info/ |
| 01:25.11 | karsten | sanity_assass1: You lose |
| 01:25.15 | karsten | !tell sanity_assass1 about aptitude |
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| 01:25.54 | nn | karsten: I saw, thanks much! :) |
| 01:25.58 | sanity_assass1 | in fact synaptic is better |
| 01:26.13 | karsten | sanity_assass1: Howso? |
| 01:26.29 | sanity_assass1 | slow but WYSIWYG |
| 01:26.32 | cast | synaptic requires an x-server |
| 01:26.35 | nn | karsten: my goal isnt exactly to fork debian, just to build an exact duplicate of debian as an unofficial build for a slightly brain-damaged ia32 chipset (the Via Nemiah) compiled more optimized for it's terrible quirks :) |
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| 01:26.45 | karsten | sanity_assass1: Some would hardly count that as a benefit. |
| 01:26.46 | sanity_assass1 | xfce is the best |
| 01:27.14 | karsten | nn: Right. Read Krafft's book (two 'f's, one 't'). Excellent for just that. |
| 01:27.20 | jelly-home | xfce is a bit unpolished |
| 01:27.34 | karsten | nn: PDF available for US$26 or so, if you can't wait. |
| 01:27.51 | sanity_assass1 | xfce is a Desktop shell ; it will remain this |
| 01:27.51 | nn | karsten: I'm checking it out, unfortunately I can't afford a book :( |
| 01:28.02 | Guerin | xfce is not a desktop shell |
| 01:28.18 | sanity_assass1 | amule can give you it for free :-] |
| 01:28.25 | Guerin | it's a desktop environment, not a vert complicated one |
| 01:28.42 | Guerin | jelly-home: i *think* he means it's like a replacement for windows explorer |
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| 01:28.51 | Guerin | jelly-home: since that term is used thus in the windows world |
| 01:29.21 | nn | bbiab |
| 01:29.21 | jelly-home | so a file and app. manager? |
| 01:29.25 | karsten | Guerin: um. "desktop shell" IIRC in windows referred to explorer.exe initially. |
| 01:29.47 | karsten | Guerin: a/k/a file manager + window manager. Or see Nautilus brain damage. |
| 01:30.16 | sanity_assass1 | you don't know enlightnement and the generation of Desktop-shell !? |
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| 01:30.34 | jelly-home | karsten: frankly I don't see how is xfce's we-have-a-whole-app-just-for-desktop much different than nautilus |
| 01:30.54 | sanity_assass1 | most ergonomic environment to work with productiviy |
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| 01:31.54 | karsten | jelly-home: There's a window manager, there's a desktop manager, there's a file manager. Three different apps, IIRC. |
| 01:32.01 | karsten | jelly-home: Don't have it installed ATM. |
| 01:32.12 | jelly-home | karsten: eh, I do. ;-) |
| 01:32.16 | karsten | nn: short answer, no book involved: debmirror package. |
| 01:32.28 | karsten | jelly-home: I'm not in the Promised Land of Debian ATM. |
| 01:33.01 | jelly-home | RHEL4 licenses are reserved for servers only here. ;-) |
| 01:33.03 | Guerin | karsten: that's what I said, dawg. |
| 01:33.14 | Guerin | karsten: go away, or I shall taunt you a second time! |
| 01:33.32 | karsten | Guerin: Your mother was a hampster and your farther smelt of elderberries! |
| 01:33.43 | Guerin | karsten: he wasn't THAT far |
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| 01:33.55 | linux2 | does anyone here know where the DPMS settings for debian etch are stored? |
| 01:34.34 | linux2 | i tried setting them in xorg but like this user: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html i am getting timeouts every 2 minutes which seem to override any of my settings in xorg |
| 01:34.45 | linux2 | please help, i have been trying to fix this for months |
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| 01:34.53 | linux2 | well actually almost a year now |
| 01:35.00 | linux2 | never been able to get it to work successfully |
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| 01:35.16 | no0tic | How can I mount an external USB ntfs hd telling pmount to use ntfs-3g? |
| 01:35.24 | jelly-home | linux2: your desktop environment or a running xscreensaver might change those settings |
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| 01:35.41 | linux2 | jelly-home: im using KDE and i don't believe it is changing them |
| 01:35.51 | skidj | linux2: try xset |
| 01:35.55 | karsten | linux2: They're frequently overridden by either your screensaver (eg: xscreensaver), xset (various X initialization scripts), or window manager (GNOME and KDE being reallyh bad about that). |
| 01:36.00 | karsten | linux2: Belive it. |
| 01:36.06 | karsten | believe, even. |
| 01:36.13 | linux2 | lol |
| 01:36.22 | jelly-home | Running Be, live? |
| 01:36.28 | linux2 | karsten: well i cannot see where my KDM would set that |
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| 01:36.44 | linux2 | karsten: not to mention my brother has a debian machine and doesn't have this issue |
| 01:36.47 | jelly-home | linux2: kdm is just the login screen |
| 01:36.50 | linux2 | always just seems to happen with mine |
| 01:37.05 | linux2 | jelly-home: well in kde i have the powermanagement settings off |
| 01:37.12 | davedward1 | anyone got JDK working in Debian? |
| 01:37.13 | linux2 | when i used mandriva i never had any issues |
| 01:37.18 | karsten | linux2: kcontrol > Peripherals > Display > Power Control |
| 01:37.29 | jelly-home | linux2: I'd check out screensaver settings too. |
| 01:38.30 | skidj | karsten: do you know what file the settings are kept in, i have to use xset to set them manually every time i start it, not really a problem as i hardly turn it off |
| 01:38.38 | karsten | skidj: No |
| 01:38.44 | linux2 | jelly-home: ok well the screensaver settings aren't able to set (at least from what i can see in the kde control panel) the DPMS settings |
| 01:38.46 | skidj | karsten: oh well |
| 01:38.49 | linux2 | karsten: yep they are turned off |
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| 01:38.58 | linux2 | xset s 0 seems to have turned it off |
| 01:39.04 | linux2 | now how to make that permenent |
| 01:39.29 | jelly-home | running xset by hand is just a workaround. |
| 01:39.48 | karsten | linux2: add to ~/.xinitrc and run at X startup. |
| 01:39.57 | jelly-home | karsten: gross! |
| 01:40.00 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 01:40.26 | karsten | ... or cron to run periodically as gnome/kde tend to fsck with that stuff. |
| 01:40.40 | linux2 | ok i went and checked xscreensaver settings |
| 01:40.46 | linux2 | and it said that power management was on |
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| 01:40.54 | linux2 | but nothing that would make it blank after 2 minutes |
| 01:40.57 | linux2 | turned that off |
| 01:41.01 | linux2 | i shall see if it works |
| 01:41.01 | jelly-home | I'd leave try with "Enable display power management" tick set, and all the other settings Disabled |
| 01:41.02 | linux2 | gt |
| 01:41.03 | linux2 | gtg |
| 01:41.07 | linux2 | thanks again |
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| 01:41.57 | jelly-home | wasn't xmodmap deprecated by xkb in... maybe XFree86 4.3.0? |
| 01:42.39 | karsten | jelly-home: You can have my xmodmap when you pry it from my cold, dead, hands. |
| 01:42.46 | Guerin | jelly-home: nttbomk |
| 01:42.51 | karsten | </men-in-black-bug> We find your proposal acceptable |
| 01:42.55 | Guerin | xmodmap ftw! |
| 01:43.36 | jelly-home | xkb is a PITA to set up though. |
| 01:43.42 | karsten | Guerin: ctrl/capslock swap. |
| 01:43.54 | Guerin | karsten: compose key |
| 01:43.59 | skidj | what about .xscreensaver? it has dpms and screensaver settings in there |
| 01:44.08 | karsten | Guerin: compose my *ss. |
| 01:44.17 | karsten | skidj: Indeed it does. As has been mentioned. |
| 01:44.33 | skidj | sorry |
| 01:44.50 | Guerin | karsten: your 姧? |
| 01:44.54 | jelly-home | I see your compose and raise two ctrl keys (both down and left-of-A) |
| 01:44.58 | karsten | skidj: Too late, we're going to have to send you off for medical experiments. |
| 01:45.03 | Guerin | i only need one control key |
| 01:45.06 | skidj | :) |
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| 01:45.13 | karsten | Guerin: Easy for you to say. |
| 01:45.15 | jelly-home | I need no Caps |
| 01:45.16 | Guerin | hell, i use emacs and I *still* only need one |
| 01:45.38 | karsten | Guerin: I need *no* capslock key. |
| 01:45.41 | karsten | Well ... |
| 01:45.46 | karsten | MOST OF THE TIME, ANYWAY. |
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| 01:47.22 | cast | capslock is really handy for me when trying to tell how hard my X session / computer has frozen |
| 01:47.44 | cast | often numlock light will still work, but capslock light will cease to work |
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| 01:49.05 | karsten | cast: Heh. That's one use. |
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| 01:49.13 | Guerin | you must use proprietary video drivers |
| 01:49.21 | Guerin | I can't remember the last time X locked on me |
| 01:49.23 | karsten | cast: 'eject' is another. <ctrl><alt><f1>. log in. type "eject" |
| 01:49.25 | cast | yes, yes i do. |
| 01:49.40 | karsten | even if display is hosed, I can tell if the system's responsive. |
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| 01:49.57 | jelly-home | karsten: hahaha, what about echo ctrl-v ctrl-g ? |
| 01:50.02 | jelly-home | *beep* |
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| 01:50.17 | cast | HEH. dam computer beep. that speakers unplugged now :) |
| 01:50.19 | Guerin | i like 'ping' |
| 01:50.43 | karsten | jelly-home: What's that do? |
| 01:50.50 | jelly-home | Guerin: aahh, you have ze machine zat goes ping? |
| 01:51.33 | karsten | jelly-home: also echo -e '\a' |
| 01:51.55 | jelly-home | karsten: harder to type blindly than ^V^G |
| 01:52.07 | karsten | jelly-home: Speak for yourself. |
| 01:52.07 | Guerin | jelly-home: itym ze machine zat goe PÃNG! |
| 01:53.20 | jelly-home | karsten: also, I haven't worked on a terminal where \a wasn't ^G in about a decade. It's pretty much guaranteed on Linux console. |
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| 01:54.02 | karsten | ^L, on the other hand. |
| 01:54.10 | karsten | ... which *really* doesn't work on Solaris csh.... |
| 01:54.28 | jelly-home | so +1 for correctness and portability, but -1 for using ' and \ which can be on strange places in my locale. |
| 01:55.04 | karsten | jelly-home: German? |
| 01:55.07 | jelly-home | ah, Solaris csh. echo "exec /bin/ksh" > ~/.cshrc |
| 01:55.19 | karsten | jelly-home: hu. OK. |
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| 01:55.51 | jelly-home | karsten: Croatian, the keyboard mappings are a lot like de |
| 01:55.55 | karsten | jelly-home: Multi-host environment. .login is actually a pretty complex hunting-for-a-better-shell script |
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| 01:58.01 | jelly-home | karsten: heh. My shell is set up correctly, but on some machines there's a case $USER in root's .profile ;-) |
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| 01:58.44 | jelly-home | where USER is set above by hunting for the owner of the tty |
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| 01:58.58 | karsten | Ugh. |
| 01:59.18 | karsten | What killed me for a bit was that csh/tcsh use $shell rather than $SHELL. |
| 01:59.33 | jelly-home | it works, every one of 2-3 admins get his their own shell and history, etc. |
| 02:00.13 | karsten | shouldn't you test UID rather than USER? |
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| 02:00.50 | karsten | Hrm. Neither would test right for me. Interesting. |
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| 02:01.27 | cheatersrealm | what is the current debian stable kernel? |
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| 02:03.18 | Guerin | cheatersrealm: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 02:03.42 | cheatersrealm | hrm |
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| 02:04.27 | cheatersrealm | can I install debian from a ubuntu livecd? |
| 02:05.08 | fflush | hey anyone using sarge on ibook with airport extreme knows , if a firmware is nescessary to get ht ecard to work? |
| 02:05.11 | North64 | I just checked debian.com and I am a little bit confused, is there a version that supports 64bit on Intel Duo 2 Core? |
| 02:05.13 | nn | karsten: sorta.. :) I've got debmirror mirroring source and binary |
| 02:05.20 | Guerin | cheatersrealm: be our guest |
| 02:05.33 | cheatersrealm | Guerin: is there a howto? |
| 02:05.43 | Guerin | cheatersrealm: you'll need to downloadn and build debian's debootstrap, though, not use ubuntu's tools. |
| 02:05.51 | Guerin | cheatersrealm: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 02:05.52 | cheatersrealm | hrm |
| 02:06.10 | epsilon | can't you use netinstall or full dvd? |
| 02:06.28 | widrone | cheatersrealm: Its chapter C.4 of the install manual. Ironic is it not? |
| 02:06.45 | cheatersrealm | the netinstall has a hardware issue for me |
| 02:07.01 | Guerin | cheatersrealm: which one? |
| 02:07.16 | cheatersrealm | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:07.22 | cheatersrealm | I am pretty sure it's etch rc1 |
| 02:07.37 | Guerin | cheatersrealm: tried /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18? |
| 02:07.57 | epsilon | or sarge netinstall, then upgrade to etch? |
| 02:08.11 | Guerin | epsilon: how, if the netinstall won't install? |
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| 02:08.24 | epsilon | maybe it's etch netinstall issue, who knows |
| 02:08.28 | Guerin | epsilon: 99% of hardware problems are due to kernel support |
| 02:08.30 | cheatersrealm | aha |
| 02:08.42 | cheatersrealm | well the ubuntu livecd boots it |
| 02:09.21 | cheatersrealm | hrm, the sarge 2.6.18 doesn't support lvm/raid |
| 02:10.14 | cheatersrealm | I suppose I could just run ubuntu, it seems to be the easiest |
| 02:10.19 | epsilon | install on single disk, then create RAID |
| 02:10.21 | North64 | hrm..., there really is no x86_64 version, is there? |
| 02:10.32 | Azar | North64: I guess is more about how a certain kernel version supports it |
| 02:11.33 | Azar | North64: Sarge officially only goes with a 2.6.8, Etch goes up to 2.6.17 -- the greater kernel version , greater chance of support |
| 02:12.14 | Azar | North64: check the kernel 2.6.17 see if it supports it |
| 02:12.22 | stew | North64: there is, but it's unofficial (but supported all the same), /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 02:12.42 | Azar | stew, that is amd64... he uses Intel |
| 02:12.48 | stew | Azar: yes |
| 02:12.55 | Azar | ah good for both? |
| 02:13.01 | North64 | should be the same, thanks stew |
| 02:13.12 | Azar | nice, thanks stew |
| 02:13.14 | stew | Azar: his cpu uses the amd64 instruction set |
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| 02:15.24 | kupesoft | What are the good online first person shooters the Debian linux? |
| 02:15.25 | zinx | erh, sorry about that |
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| 02:16.02 | cheatersrealm | kupesoft: ut2k4 works, it costs money though |
| 02:16.06 | simmerz | do prism3 cards work with wpa? I can't seem to get wpa_supplicant and hostap working nicely together |
| 02:16.25 | Azar | that's tarzeau's favorite topic |
| 02:16.29 | kupesoft | cheatersrealm: I want the free games, |
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| 02:16.52 | Azar | tarzeau: help on games? |
| 02:17.06 | simmerz | kupesoft: have you tried bzflag? |
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| 02:17.35 | Guerin | kupesoft: i recommend irc |
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| 02:17.48 | kupesoft | Guerin: ? |
| 02:17.59 | dr_marlowe | hello, ive installed debian with every WM i saw |
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| 02:18.01 | simmerz | Guerin: this is one big game to you, right? |
| 02:18.03 | Azar | :) I hope Guerin is not joking |
| 02:18.06 | kupesoft | simmerz: apt-get'ing it right now |
| 02:18.13 | dr_marlowe | it has enlightenment as the default, how can i change it manually? |
| 02:18.20 | jelly-home | Guerin: so how many frags today? |
| 02:18.24 | Azar | kupesoft: try the Debian packages site too, look for Games |
| 02:18.29 | simmerz | dr_marlowe: there is a menu normally in the login manager |
| 02:18.34 | Guerin | jelly-home: 4-5. Slow day, had to go out for lunch. |
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| 02:18.55 | dr_marlowe | simmerz: ah lemme check |
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| 02:19.18 | confusco | does anybody have an idea why my game is quite a bit slower in Linux than in Win? I've installed the nvidia driver correctly and direct rendering is on. |
| 02:19.19 | Azar | once I officially move to Etch I get me the Doom |
| 02:19.38 | Azar | confusco: 3D as well? |
| 02:19.39 | dr_marlowe | simmerz i see no menu, it is just purple/blue screen that says GNU/Linux is nice big gfxic words |
| 02:19.43 | Guerin | confusco: ask nvidia |
| 02:19.53 | Guerin | confusco: answer: because the drivers are shit. |
| 02:19.58 | zinx | confusco: are you running it in cedega or wine? |
| 02:20.04 | confusco | neither |
| 02:20.07 | confusco | native |
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| 02:20.13 | zinx | confusco: what game? |
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| 02:20.16 | confusco | Tribes2 |
| 02:20.23 | Azar | heck Egoboo runs way too fast for me |
| 02:20.27 | confusco | and Azar, what do you mean 3D? |
| 02:20.29 | simmerz | just login box and password box? |
| 02:20.32 | zinx | i'd run that one in windows anyway, it's buggy as crap |
| 02:20.39 | Azar | confusco: the 3D accelleration |
| 02:20.55 | confusco | I don't know |
| 02:21.10 | confusco | zinx, why buggy? seems to work fine |
| 02:21.18 | Azar | confusco: it needs nvidia-glx that for now runs only on Sarge as I heard |
| 02:21.29 | zinx | confusco: it will crash or do weird stuff before long |
| 02:21.29 | dr_marlowe | hello, ive installed debian with every WM i saw.. it has enlightenment as the default, how can i change it manually? |
| 02:21.33 | confusco | I have nvidia-glx. |
| 02:21.42 | zinx | confusco: it doesn't allocate enough memory for internal buffers in a lot of places, and doesn't check for overflow |
| 02:21.53 | zinx | confusco: windows allocates them in a different order which seems to cause less problems |
| 02:21.53 | confusco | oh |
| 02:21.56 | Azar | there we go |
| 02:22.59 | simmerz | do prism3 cards work with wpa? I can't seem to get wpa_supplicant and hostap working nicely together |
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| 02:23.53 | xam | simmers: they work if you use a firmware of 1.7.4 or higher |
| 02:24.17 | confusco | so nobody has an idea how to fix? |
| 02:24.18 | simmerz | xam: how do I find out? |
| 02:24.58 | xam | simmers: when the hostap driver loads it will dump the PRI/STA firmware version numbers in the syslog |
| 02:25.08 | simmerz | ah right. |
| 02:25.11 | simmerz | let me check |
| 02:26.41 | simmerz | xam: just realised its a prism2 |
| 02:26.52 | xam | simmers: 1.7.4 seems to be the most stable, 1.8.0 is causing problems for some ... you cam flash the firmware to the eeprom of the wifi card, or just load it into the ram of the card each time you boot |
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| 02:27.54 | xam | simmers: AFAIK prism2/3 is basically the same from the software point of view, the later is just more integrated (fewer chips) |
| 02:28.45 | simmerz | xam: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 02:29.04 | xam | simmers: yeah, that will work |
| 02:29.24 | simmerz | xam: dmesg gives prism2_pci.0: 0.2.5 Loaded |
| 02:29.27 | simmerz | is that the line? |
| 02:30.01 | cast | hmm. anyone remember the name of a tiny console app like date, only displays an arbitary number of times in different timezones? |
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| 02:30.26 | jamesd_ | script it |
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| 02:31.39 | simmerz | xam: how do I flash the firmware? or get it for that matter |
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| 02:33.29 | simmerz | ah, found a howto |
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| 02:35.00 | ObsidianX | hey, whats the debian equivilant to rc.local (i think thats redhat) or gentoo's local.start |
| 02:36.39 | SerajewelKS | ObsidianX: /etc/rc.local |
| 02:36.43 | SerajewelKS | tricky, eh? |
| 02:36.47 | cast | SerajewelKS: really? shit |
| 02:37.00 | cast | damn. |
| 02:37.01 | ObsidianX | i dont have that file |
| 02:37.15 | SerajewelKS | ObsidianX: which debian release? |
| 02:37.19 | ObsidianX | sarge |
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| 02:37.22 | cast | i thought we were supposed to do the update-rcd dance? |
| 02:37.40 | cast | ObsidianX: what you want to know, how to run xyz at startup, is in the FAQ||reference, can't remember which |
| 02:37.46 | SerajewelKS | ObsidianX: maybe it's not in sarge, i know it's in etch |
| 02:37.55 | cast | SerajewelKS: aye. i think its new |
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| 02:39.45 | ObsidianX | cast: i'll take a look at the faq, thanks |
| 02:39.48 | Firztspawn | still getting used to apt-get here, does apt-get have a find/search feature for finding package names? |
| 02:40.01 | ObsidianX | Firztspawn: i suggest apt-get install aptitude |
| 02:40.04 | ObsidianX | handy app |
| 02:40.19 | Firztspawn | does that have all apps listed? |
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| 02:40.29 | magyar | is there a proper way to whitelist a sender with amavis? |
| 02:40.31 | cast | ObsidianX: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 there ya go, too 'Making scripts run at boot time with Debian' |
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| 02:40.54 | xam | simmers: ermm, no. it should read something like "hostap_pci: STA: 1.7.4" or similar |
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| 02:41.02 | cast | Firztspawn: you mean apt-cache search name, but get aptitude anyway... |
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| 02:41.23 | ObsidianX | cast: yeah looks like i gotta make a script myself |
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| 02:42.46 | Zweideutig | What library does Debian's installer use? |
| 02:42.56 | Zweideutig | (for the display) |
| 02:43.11 | Guerin | Zweideutig: be more specific |
| 02:43.14 | cast | 'tzwatch - Displays time and date in specified time zones on console' thats what i was looking for :) |
| 02:43.23 | Guerin | Zweideutig: the answer is 'several' |
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| 02:44.14 | xam | simmers: use 'prism_srec' in the 'hostap-utils' package. Use the firmware from here: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/firmware/ |
| 02:44.21 | sanabriamusic | hi guys...what is the file to edit if you want to change screen resolution modes |
| 02:44.39 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: /etc/X11/*.conf |
| 02:44.49 | sanabriamusic | thank you |
| 02:44.49 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: where * depends what x server you run |
| 02:44.50 | Firztspawn | xorg.conf display modes? |
| 02:44.55 | Azar | sanabriamusic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) |
| 02:45.12 | sanabriamusic | cool |
| 02:45.17 | xam | simmers: and read the notes from http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/firmware/ BEFORE you flash the firmware |
| 02:45.33 | sanabriamusic | it is xf |
| 02:45.34 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i use austrumi livecd, my keyboard can not input, but if i use knoppix livecd , keyboard could use, is it because of X config or kernel support? |
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| 02:45.50 | unseensoul | hi |
| 02:46.00 | dvs | evil! |
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| 02:46.30 | Azar | TraceGreen: what in the world is austrumi |
| 02:47.27 | xam | simmers: also if you want to be able to download firmware onto the wifi card, you have to select the appropriate option for the hostap driver in the kernel config |
| 02:47.33 | Ether_Man | Anyone with any idea why my snd-bt-sco module sets playback to NULL after a second? :/ Makes the sound go bye bye ;_; |
| 02:47.35 | TraceGreen | Azar, austrumi is a livecd, and it use xorg. but just few people use austrumi. I want to build a livecd base on austrumi because it is small and boot fast |
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| 02:48.02 | sanabriamusic | awsome thanks guys |
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| 02:48.20 | Azar | TraceGreen: been almost four years I use Debian, never heard of such livecd |
| 02:48.24 | sanabriamusic | i have to get out of windows everything was so large in debian i coudlnt see ok buttons etc |
| 02:48.26 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 02:48.45 | xam | simmers: one important note: ALWAYS flash BOTH primary AND secondary firmware at the same time! |
| 02:48.54 | TraceGreen | Azar, austrumi use xorg. Because it is just 50M, I doubt it lost some modules. Now I just want to know whereis the problem, Xorg? kernel? |
| 02:49.12 | Azar | TraceGreen: what version of Debian are you using? |
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| 02:49.32 | enema_cow | hey all |
| 02:49.51 | confusco | does anybody have an idea why my native game(Tribes 2) is running slow(Half FPS of Win). I've installed the nvidia driver correctly and direct rendering is on. |
| 02:50.04 | TraceGreen | Azar, actually I use liveCD, knoppix 3.8.1 |
| 02:50.17 | dvs | TraceGreen: that's old ;-) |
| 02:50.29 | Azar | TraceGreen: sorry I never even seen knoppix or stuff like that sorry |
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| 02:50.35 | wimpies | I am looking for the dbgp debugger client ... is there a debian package for it ? |
| 02:50.36 | TraceGreen | Azar, thanks anyway |
| 02:50.38 | enema_cow | confusco: have you confirmed whether it's the card performing poorly or the game performing poorly? |
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| 02:50.58 | confusco | what do you mean? |
| 02:51.00 | Azar | confusco: yea benchtest your card :) |
| 02:51.11 | confusco | works fine in Win... |
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| 02:51.23 | lastnode | what's the recommended pastebin for #debian irc channels? |
| 02:51.31 | enema_cow | well, theres a distinct possibility that the game may not be set up correctly |
| 02:51.38 | cast | lastnode: /topic |
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| 02:51.49 | enema_cow | and there's an equally good chance that the card may not be set up correctly |
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| 02:52.04 | enema_cow | well... probably not equal chances, but for the sake of discussion, whatever :P |
| 02:52.22 | Azar | confusco: < zinx> confusco: it doesn't allocate enough memory for internal buffers in a lot of places, |
| 02:52.26 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.34 | jngu1 | !alsa |
| 02:52.34 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 02:52.40 | jngu1 | !alsa one-liner |
| 02:52.40 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 02:52.48 | simmerz | xam: I'm trying to do some prelim checks - now on the laptop with the prism card on it. however, hostap_diag wlan0 gives me ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: No such device |
| 02:54.34 | lastnode | cast, who runs paster? could i get him in another channel? |
| 02:55.01 | cast | i know not |
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| 02:57.02 | xam | simmerz: make sure you have the hostap_* drivers loaded, NOT the prism drivers from the horinoco/hermes project, which also work with prism2/2.5/3 chips, but are not as good (stable, feature-wise, portable) as the hostap driver |
| 02:58.53 | simmerz | xam: is it just hostap_pci that i need? |
| 02:59.37 | xam | simmerz: it is confusing that they have two drivers that work with prism2 card in the kernel, I know ,,, also confusing is that the driver is called 'hostap', although the driver itself doesn't give you any hostap functionality (only together with the hostapd userspace daemon, which also works with non-prism cards/drivers) |
| 02:59.47 | xam | simmerz: yes |
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| 03:01.05 | simmerz | xam: and i need the daemon running too? |
| 03:02.13 | xam | simmerz: no, only if you want to use the card in 'hostap' mode, i.e. as an access point |
| 03:02.21 | simmerz | xam: ah ok. |
| 03:02.38 | simmerz | so why does hostap_diag wlan0 still give me the same error |
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| 03:03.13 | xam | simmerz: WELL, you'll need wpa_supplicant if you want to connect to WPA acccess points |
| 03:03.37 | simmerz | xam: need to upgrade the firmware first |
| 03:03.43 | simmerz | and to do that, i need access to the card |
| 03:04.08 | xam | simmerz: you've checked that hostap_pci is successfully loaded (look in the syslog)? what is your STAtion firmware number? |
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| 03:05.00 | simmerz | ah this could be the problem. primary is 1.1.1, station is 1.5.6 |
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| 03:07.26 | simmerz | and just figured i was using wlan0 instead of wifi0 |
| 03:07.31 | simmerz | right on with the next step! |
| 03:07.37 | xam | simmerz: well, 1.5.6 is good enough for WEP at least, not wpa afaik. As I said 1.7.4 is the latest 'stable' for PCI cards, don't go higher |
| 03:07.55 | simmerz | im going 1.7.4 as you suggested |
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| 03:09.28 | xam | simmerz: well, the hostap driver will create several devices: wlan0' wlan0ap and wifi0. Use wlan0 if you want to use the wifi card, the other devices are only used by the hostapd daemon |
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| 03:09.59 | simmerz | apparently, wlan0 doesn't seem to exist |
| 03:11.07 | Winkie | does debian have any 'generic packages' for kernels, the default kernel installed on this is 486, but i have an AMD X2 and I have no idea what package to install appropriately :) |
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| 03:11.25 | dvs | Winkie: 686 |
| 03:11.35 | dvs | Winkie: 686-smp actually |
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| 03:11.41 | Winkie | dvs: which package should i install though, i notice there are linux-image, linux-headers and linux-module packages |
| 03:11.42 | cast | Winkie: you know..there is amd64, too |
| 03:11.42 | lastnode | hi, im trying to write a debian-pastebin submission module for www.upstreamdev.org, and yet the pastie seems to use some javascript which i cant find reference to. any help will be greatly appreciated |
| 03:11.46 | Winkie | wondered if there was a generic |
| 03:11.52 | dvs | Winkie: linux-image |
| 03:11.52 | Winkie | cast: i'm staying 32 bit until things like flash catch up :) |
| 03:11.55 | simmerz | xam: would help if i compiled hostap with the rights to update firmware |
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| 03:12.18 | cast | Winkie: ahh. iirc you can still use flash, but its a slight bit of messing around, creating a 32bit chroot or something |
| 03:12.25 | xam | simmerz: yes, probably because udev f**ked it up and remembers that you used the other driver for wlna0 ... now it will call it wlan1 or something. Edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 03:12.30 | Winkie | cast: it's true, i'm just going to wait |
| 03:12.36 | Winkie | dvs: linux-image on it's own? |
| 03:12.40 | xam | simmerz: that of course too ;) |
| 03:12.42 | dvs | Winkie: yes |
| 03:13.05 | Zambezi | Is there big difference between Ubuntu and Debian where I find configurationfiles like hosts.allow, hosts.deny, sshd_config? Are is there even different names on the files? |
| 03:13.17 | Winkie | dvs: it gives me a list of packages, and none of them are 686-smp |
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| 03:13.30 | dvs | Winkie: what gives you a list? |
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| 03:13.33 | Winkie | Zambezi: there will be some differences, but it's unlikely there will be too many |
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| 03:13.37 | Winkie | dvs: apt-get install linux-image |
| 03:14.13 | dvs | Winkie: apt-cache search linux-image will list the available packages |
| 03:14.13 | xam | simmerz: just delete the line that assoziates wlan0 with the other driver ... and put hostap_pci in /etc/modules, so that it will be loaded on next boot first ... or just compile it into the kernel statically |
| 03:14.43 | Winkie | dvs: it's listed as a 'transition package', should i install it regardless? |
| 03:15.02 | dvs | Winkie: What is "it"? |
| 03:15.09 | Zambezi | Winkie, I'm going from Ubuntu to Debian. The biggest differens will be su right? Instead of user I'm swiching to root, but it's might possible to use sudo too? That would you recommend? |
| 03:15.11 | Winkie | oh sorry, linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 03:15.14 | simmerz | xam: ok. well I'm actually using ubuntu - but they're useless in the irc channel, all newbies, so I thought I'd ask the pros! |
| 03:15.24 | dvs | Winkie: yes, install that |
| 03:15.39 | Winkie | Zambezi: it's perfectly possible to use sudo, you'll notice some differences in package naming etc i'd imagine. I've just made the transition back myself but i've not used debian in many years :) |
| 03:16.10 | xam | !topicsmite simmerz |
| 03:16.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon simmerz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:16.57 | Pupeno | Zambezi: the biggest difference will be versions of programs (if you are going to stable Debian), otherwise you can just install sudo. |
| 03:17.03 | xam | ;) |
| 03:17.09 | simmerz | xam: yeah I know I know, but they're similar enough that i can translate what you say into ubuntu speak and im technical enough to know what im doing |
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| 03:17.35 | simmerz | xam: buying a new laptop in jan anyway, so ubuntu will be thrown out with the rubbish lol |
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| 03:18.35 | simmerz | xam: found a very nice acer 8215wlmi that can handle up to 4GB RAM, ;-) |
| 03:18.50 | Zambezi | Pupeno, I'm going to use it for a server so it'll be Debain Stable, but I want to check some packages and which name they have. I Ubuntu, there's a packageshomepage, but is there a page to for Debian? I want to know for example about rtorrent. |
| 03:19.11 | Winkie | packages.debian.org ? :) |
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| 03:22.02 | Zambezi | Winkie, Thanks. |
| 03:22.56 | Zambezi | A packages I want is just avabile for testing and unstable. Is it stable, unstable, testing or stable, testing, unstable? |
| 03:24.02 | xam | simmerz: btw, prism2/2.5/3 card are probably the best supported 802.11b cards out there, especially under linux. I guess partially due to the hostap(d) author. The hardware itself is only so-so, e.g. the chip design doesn't support DMA properly, which should not be a concern with max. 11MBit/s data transfers anyway. At least the CPU load is neglegible ;) |
| 03:24.49 | simmerz | indeed. ubuntu really is designed for non-techies. im going back to something sensible when i get the new lappy |
| 03:25.21 | xam | simmerz: BTW, in older hostap drivers you had to enable hardware flashing support explictly by uncommenting a line in the source code, I don't know whether this is still neccessary |
| 03:26.16 | RainbowW | so, uh, how do i get thunderbird to stop sending html email? i want to make it stop, now and forever more, without exception, no matter what. and i can't figure out how to get it to do that. |
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| 03:26.39 | Winkie | RainbowW: tools > accounts > compose > uncheck html mail? |
| 03:26.49 | Winkie | i don't use tb anymore but that's where it was when i used it i think |
| 03:27.08 | simmerz_ | xam: reason I'm going for a new laptop, is that my current one crashes irreverantly! |
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| 03:27.28 | RainbowW | Winkie: i have it unchecked, and i'm still getting complaints. |
| 03:27.50 | Winkie | RainbowW: check your smtp server perhaps, send yourself a loopback mail? |
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| 03:28.26 | xam | simmerz: luckily I don't have any problems with my antiquated dell latitude c610 (1GHz P3) |
| 03:28.26 | kryptik | hello. how do i update a non-networked debian box? apt-zip still needs you to do a 'apt-get update' and that's dumb if you dont really have an internet connection on that box. thanks. |
| 03:28.32 | Zambezi | Is testing the most unstable version, like testing new stuffs or is it testing like beta? |
| 03:28.51 | RainbowW | Zambezi: if you want the most unstable version, you want, uh, unstable. |
| 03:29.02 | Winkie | Zambezi: it goes stable > testing > unstable |
| 03:29.25 | blondie | experimental! |
| 03:29.35 | Winkie | huh |
| 03:29.38 | Zambezi | RainbowW, I want a stable version, but stable doen't have some packages I need. |
| 03:30.02 | dvs | Zambezi: then you want backports |
| 03:30.02 | kryptik | Zambezi, you can use external repos for that |
| 03:30.36 | Zambezi | kryptik, I prefer to use just the right repos. That's the point with Debian. ;-) |
| 03:30.36 | Winkie | incidentally i'm getting an unsigned key error, keyid A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 03:30.45 | Winkie | anyone know which keyserver that key might be on? :) |
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| 03:31.31 | xam | !topicsmite Winkie |
| 03:31.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Winkie. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:31.36 | kryptik | Zambezi, well if the app you need is not in the "right repos" then what do you want to do now? |
| 03:32.00 | Winkie | xam: haha whoops, missed it right at the start there :( |
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| 03:32.35 | jmd | Does anyone know of a Debian applet which keeps me up to date with the Ashes ? |
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| 03:33.11 | khaleel | i have linux and fat32 partitions all mounted on my box but in media:/ (i use konqueror ) it only shows my linuxones... how to make konquer in debian etch show me my fat32 partitions as well |
| 03:33.21 | Winkie | jmd: you're going to lose? ;) |
| 03:33.45 | Zambezi | kryptik, Should I be clear? I want my fucking system to work? :-P And Ubuntu Dapper makes rtorrent to crash cause it or the computer is stupid, so I'm going to try to find the error. |
| 03:33.52 | kryptik | khaleel, maybe you dont have read permissions to those fat partitions |
| 03:34.07 | jmd | Winkie: Maybe that could be an optional feature. |
| 03:34.23 | Winkie | jmd: :) 160-2 eh? would an rss feed do? |
| 03:34.39 | kryptik | Zambezi, go to #ubuntu |
| 03:35.08 | jmd | Yeah probably. It just needs a widget that sits in the desktop and displays it in real-time. |
| 03:35.33 | Winkie | jmd: I know nothing of desktop widgets, but i imagine one of the desklets has the ability to read RSS, and the bbc provide an RSS feed of the ashes updates |
| 03:35.38 | khaleel | kryptik, i do have , thats y i can play my music song or watch dvd (via going to mounted partitons in /mnt/(mounted partitions here) |
| 03:35.46 | Winkie | http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/sportonline_uk_edition/cricket/england/rss.xml |
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| 03:36.14 | kryptik | khaleel, i thought you said /media |
| 03:36.18 | jmd | I was looking for something more like http://www.abc.net.au/sport/widgets/cricket/default.htm |
| 03:36.20 | Zambezi | kryptik, It doesn't help. I want to try Debian, but I'm not sure Testing is the right version. It's a RC, but I rather wait for a stable version, but then I have to reinstall this computer and that's something I don't want. |
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| 03:36.52 | xam | Zambesi: nonesense. You don't have to reisntall |
| 03:37.09 | Winkie | jmd: ooh that's very nice |
| 03:37.31 | khaleel | krazykit, well at (media:/ you see partitions taht are mounted at /mnt/(something) ] (to the best of my konwledge thats the scene) |
| 03:37.39 | magyar | hi, need help with sender whitelist and amavis. If i add "@whitelist_sender_maps" it craches email tagging |
| 03:38.17 | Zambezi | xam, I do cause I some so much crap on the computer. |
| 03:38.40 | kryptik | khaleel, using konqueror, go to /mnt/, can you view your fat partitions? |
| 03:39.01 | Zambezi | xam, I wish I didn't have computerproblems now when I'm going away for over a week. |
| 03:39.14 | khaleel | krazykit, yeah i can ........my fat + linux partitions |
| 03:39.21 | xam | Zambesi: Once testing goes into freeze, just track 'etch' or 'stable' instead of testing, Better yet, just track 'etch' right now, and when it is released as stable just track 'stable' or keep it at 'etch' (which one you prefer) |
| 03:39.48 | xam | Zambezi: ohh, ouch |
| 03:40.22 | kryptik | khaleel, i thought your problem was seeing your fat partitions via konqueror. |
| 03:40.41 | Zambezi | xam, My rtorrent crashes every two or three days. And I have huge problems with the latest version. |
| 03:40.51 | cast | where am i supposed to set LANGUAGE and LC_ALL? I set them in /etc/environment..but aptitude just satrted complaining then about it 'perl: warning: Setting locale failed.' |
| 03:40.53 | khaleel | krazykit, but not in media:/ here it only is showing my linux partitions |
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| 03:40.57 | kryptik | krazykit, ah you want media:/ to show it too... now i get it... |
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| 03:41.24 | dvs | cast: mabye because you don't have that locale configured |
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| 03:41.35 | xam | Zambezi: well, at least you can save the list of the packages you had installed and also save you /home and /etc, then a reinstall is just a matter of an hour if you have a fast internet connection or a debian dvd |
| 03:41.59 | cast | dvs: ahh but i do. kinda. dpkg-reconfigure locale doesn't error, but it does display the same warning about those two vars being unset |
| 03:42.07 | cast | maybe its a bug in the locale pkg? |
| 03:42.22 | dvs | could be |
| 03:42.27 | khaleel | krazykit, my problem is that I cannot see my fat32 partitions in konqueror at location media:/ i can see them via konqueror in /mnt --jsut mentioned konqueror because nautilus is showing mejsut my c drive :D [but i dont care about nautilus me a gui-kde-looser ] |
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| 03:43.35 | Zambezi | xam, I have fast connection, but I just have a CD on the computer so I'm going to try netinstall, but I just have to find repos for rtorrent or try Testing which is not suitable for me since I want few problems, stable and secure system. |
| 03:43.43 | SerajewelKS | xam: you need some stuff in /var too |
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| 03:44.08 | SerajewelKS | xam: for example that is where MySQL stores its data files. /var/lib i think will catch everything. |
| 03:44.25 | unlink | why does google.com look hideous in lynx? when i select links, they overwrite the next line |
| 03:44.51 | jmd | unlink: Everything looks hideous in lynx. |
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| 03:44.57 | jmd | Try links. |
| 03:45.03 | Tak | argh - what's the package with the c++ std lib man pages? |
| 03:45.03 | unlink | it worked fine in slackware |
| 03:45.12 | unlink | so it's probably configurational. |
| 03:45.22 | unlink | i prefer lynx's look and feel to links, anyhow |
| 03:45.23 | cast | w3m is a pretty good console browser, too |
| 03:45.38 | xam | SerajewelKS: usually not, that's why it is /var ... you should be able to rebuild it. In case you have a mail queue or database, you definitely want to save the mail and make a database dump/export anyway .. . |
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| 03:46.06 | SerajewelKS | xam: /var/www ? |
| 03:46.23 | jmd | Tak: libstdc++6-doc ?? |
| 03:46.54 | xam | SerajewelKS: that's userdata YOU put in there, so YOU should have a backup and make sure that it is not lost |
| 03:47.05 | cast | anyone know how to get my music to not skip when the load goes above 3? it's really annoying. renice xmms didn't help at all |
| 03:47.33 | beardy | cast: What are you doing that's giving you that load? |
| 03:47.42 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.59 | jamesd_ | perhaps renice dd |
| 03:48.05 | beardy | cast: renice the thing you do that is the cause of the load instead. |
| 03:48.18 | jcwong | if i created an swapfile with the existing swap partition, system will priority on which one first? |
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| 03:48.44 | jcwong | any clue on this swap related? |
| 03:48.55 | cast | which is pdflush, is that a good idea? i thought setting xmms to a higher priority than pdflush would be good enough |
| 03:48.57 | beardy | jcwong: In the end you can decide that, IIRC, but probably your partition first, then the file. |
| 03:49.05 | beardy | by default |
| 03:49.07 | xam | SerajewelKS: if I do a 'ln -s /home/${USER} /sbin' and later reinstall my machine, I also don't wonder why my stuff gets lost ;-) |
| 03:49.15 | jamesd_ | jcwong, yes.. there are swap priorities.. man swapon |
| 03:49.21 | cast | pdflush reniced, still happening |
| 03:49.24 | jcwong | bernie: ah! Ok, thanks. |
| 03:49.33 | xam | SerajewelKS: if I do a 'ln -s /sbin /home/${USER}' of course |
| 03:49.59 | beardy | cast: renice dd, as we said.. |
| 03:50.35 | cast | nah, dd renicing doesn't change things |
| 03:51.05 | jcwong | jamesd_: ok, man swapon have it ;) |
| 03:51.05 | Tak | jmd: argh, thanks - I had it, but I didn't notice it namespaces all the manpages (std::istream) |
| 03:51.08 | cast | high disk io always does this to me, i'm beginning to wonder if its a linux||i386 thing :\ |
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| 03:51.38 | cast | xmms is playing streaming music, btw. so it doesn't really need any disk io share |
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| 03:53.37 | cast | hopefully an X2 will solve this annoyance :) |
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| 03:54.56 | jamesd_ | it would be better to fix the OS instead of throw hardware at the problem |
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| 03:56.15 | jmd | Whats happened to the wa.au mirror? |
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| 03:57.35 | xam | cast: strange. At least since I use a preempt-kernel I don't have ever seen my machine dropping frames, Before that I did only have that under extreme load AND disk I-o |
| 03:57.46 | cast | it sure would, but i'm not sure how much sympathy i'd get on a kernel mailing list when i say "when my loads 4 my music starts to skip" |
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| 03:58.39 | jmd | Is there a way that I can force a package to install its stuff in /usr/local/bin, instead of /usr/bin ? |
| 03:58.40 | xam | cast: btw, I set LANG and LANGUAGE in /etc/environment (and make sure I have the proper locale selected via dpkg-reconfigure locales') |
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| 03:59.30 | xam | cast: heh, well reduce your load then ;) |
| 03:59.32 | cast | yeah, i had set LANG and LANGUAGE and LC_ALL in /etc/environment too, before, in order to get pythons locale.getlocales() to not crash and burn |
| 04:01.19 | cast | [which is another bug, but in python :] |
| 04:02.03 | bathat | anyone know why i might be getting imlib2 render errors...? |
| 04:07.19 | bathat | it seems to have just started and it's very frequent |
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| 04:07.22 | bathat | nvm, just updated libimlib2 and it's now fixed |
| 04:07.22 | bathat | nice |
| 04:07.23 | bathat | argh, wait, nvm |
| 04:07.23 | xam | s/e3/e2/ |
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| 04:07.24 | jmd | Is there a way to put entries in /etc/apt/sources.list such that apt will fallback to an alternative if the primary source is unavailable ? |
| 04:07.25 | cast | just have duplicate entries for sarge/etch, i think then if one server is unavail it'll move into the next |
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| 04:07.47 | Lakez | debian kernel: Bad pagetable: 001d [1] ... debian kernel: invalid opcode: 0000 [2] ... I see those console messages once in a while.. anyone know what's up? |
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| 04:08.58 | jamesd_ | Lakez, sounds like a ram problem... or a buggy kernel |
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| 04:09.32 | Michael_ | hey, does anyone know how to run spamassasin as an individual user so i can use my user_prefs file |
| 04:09.35 | Lakez | brand new micron ram ... so I can't see it being bad ram. I'll try and just use the generic kernel |
| 04:09.38 | Lakez | thx |
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| 04:15.35 | sexyken | How can I tell if my system is debian or another variant of Linux? |
| 04:15.39 | sexyken | I thought uname -a did it |
| 04:15.51 | unlink | cat /proc/version |
| 04:15.58 | holdenSK | no :) |
| 04:16.18 | holdenSK | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:16.56 | sexyken | Hrm |
| 04:17.01 | sexyken | What if a system doesn't have /proc/version? |
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| 04:19.50 | krazykit | uh, khaleel, you were talking at the wrong person... like 8 times |
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| 04:21.51 | khaleel | krazykit, uh yeah just now i realized ......... sorry for that |
| 04:22.26 | krazykit | s'ok. |
| 04:22.47 | Michael_ | hey, does anyone know how to run spamassasin as an individual user so i can use my per-user_prefs file? |
| 04:22.49 | enouf | xam: erm un/mounting and fsck-ing (e2fsprogs) |
| 04:24.50 | predder | <Lakez> brand new micron ram ... so I can't see it being bad ram. <-- if the ram is brand new more so a reason it could be faulty. I just had our intel certified Legend ram we paid a ridiculous amount for our servers arrive DOA |
| 04:25.29 | xam | enouf: ermmm, I don't use ext2 here, and mount/umount is in the 'mount' package ,,, |
| 04:26.03 | enouf | sexyken: does gcc -v tell you anything useful? |
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| 04:26.35 | enouf | xam: see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=initscripts&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:29.17 | xam | enouf: I know what is in the package, I wonder WHY it is dependend on ext2 tools when you don't neccessarily need them (i.e. you can have a debian system without using ext2 like I do) |
| 04:29.18 | enouf | xam: mount pkg has nothing to do with init.d is what I'm getting at .. |
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| 04:32.26 | enouf | xam: do you understand how /etc/init.d/* works? wanna know more > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents |
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| 04:35.20 | ben_h | hi folks |
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| 04:36.56 | ben_h | i'm setting up a second deb-based fileserver (smb/cifs) alongside an existing one at my office. i'm wondering what the best method of shared authentication to the shares would be - pam looks like it might be what i need. anyone else done something similar? |
| 04:38.08 | xam | enouf: sorry, do you seriously think i'm a idiot? I'm NOT talking about mount at all, you brought up the topic, I just made a remark that for (un-)mounting filesystems (that are non-ext2) you don't need the e2fsprogs package. Since you don't NEED ext2 for running a debian system, I don't see the need that initscripts has a pre-dependency with e2progs. |
| 04:38.19 | enouf | xam: I suspect the bottom line is : for those who never installed Debian before, ext2/3 is the default FS, especially those choosing auto partitioning and Tasksel during the installation .. IOW .. you don't see reiserfsprogs in there for ex, b/c it's not the 'default' |
| 04:38.38 | enouf | xam: why would I think anything disrespectful of you? |
| 04:40.43 | xam | enouf: with remarks 'do you know how /etc/init.d/* works?' - something that doesn't have any relevance to our discussion - I had to assume that you want to belittle me. |
| 04:41.56 | enouf | xam: did not at all mean it in that way .. apologies .. anyway initscripts is responsible for booting and shutting down .. and if you don't have atleast ONE fs's tools .. well then good luck ... especially upon Power failure/Bad shutdown |
| 04:41.59 | xam | enouf: the problem is a dependency issue, and that in should be a 'depends e2fsprogs|reiserfs-tools|xfs-toos|...' |
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| 04:42.55 | ben_h | imo there should be a virtual package for fs-tools |
| 04:43.01 | enouf | xam: many ppl don't know "which" FS to choose .. so they chosse the "default" .. which happens to be e2/e3 |
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| 04:43.35 | enouf | opinions are good .. talk to the maintainers/developers .. they are open to ideas (depending) |
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| 04:44.32 | xam | enouf: well, also the fact that initscripts/sysvinit is needed to properly install/uninstall packages is kinda a bug ... you don't need initscripts in a chroot environment ... but I think that is just a minor issue |
| 04:44.40 | enouf | post to the various mailing lists .. :-) |
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| 04:49.07 | xam | will do ... right now I'm more busy to prepare move to another country ;-) |
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| 05:03.33 | smacnay | hmm, shockwave works but there is no sound. |
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| 05:35.33 | krazykit | strange... |
| 05:35.44 | krazykit | i can't install flashplugin-nonfree on sid |
| 05:36.17 | krazykit | on the other hand, the internet is more pleasant |
| 05:36.28 | ben_h | haha |
| 05:36.37 | ben_h | i guess it's a feature then :) |
| 05:37.00 | tarzeau | Azar: i was asleep |
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| 05:52.44 | Guerin | sanity check: a 250 response in SMTP means the mail has been accepted and will be delivered to the recipient, no? |
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| 05:53.41 | craigevil | flash-nonfree should install with no problems, unless you installed the adobe beta manually |
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| 05:56.24 | dserban | what do I need to install to remotely execute gui programs via x forwarding? used to be xlibs? (or something to that effect) |
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| 05:57.38 | Guerin | dserban: xauth |
| 05:57.43 | Guerin | dserban: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 05:58.04 | Guerin | no, not xauth, xbase-clients |
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| 06:02.29 | Azar | :) hi tarzeau! |
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| 06:03.53 | Azar | hehe nice part quote |
| 06:05.15 | Azar | wow news firefox gives passwords away... nasty plugins |
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| 06:08.05 | Azar | my my |
| 06:08.15 | netdaemon | indeed... |
| 06:08.18 | Azar | Suse bites the dust, so sad |
| 06:08.22 | netdaemon | so is gnash usable yet? |
| 06:08.30 | netdaemon | Azar: linky! |
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| 06:08.36 | cast | Azar: suse dead? what? |
| 06:08.41 | Azar | netdaemon: wanna sign the petition? |
| 06:08.53 | netdaemon | Azar: i do! |
| 06:08.57 | Azar | http://techp.org/petition/show/1 |
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| 06:09.21 | Azar | its sad I think, Suse should not suffer .. |
| 06:09.38 | kupesoft | what's the good multiplayer game for debian? |
| 06:09.56 | Azar | kupesoft: say one name: tarzeau |
| 06:10.01 | Azar | say it |
| 06:10.09 | kupesoft | tarzeau |
| 06:10.12 | kupesoft | K? |
| 06:10.21 | Azar | ok hopefully he heard you |
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| 06:10.58 | streuner | Azar: hehe :-) |
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| 06:11.03 | Azar | bah, he is away, next time ask him is his favorite feature |
| 06:11.04 | kupesoft | Okay, but what's the good multiplayer game for debian? |
| 06:11.33 | cast | kupesoft: there's freeciv, but i like the 3d scorched earth... |
| 06:11.33 | Azar | I do not know I only have puzzles and arcade |
| 06:11.49 | craigevil | Tremulous is pretty cool, so is wesnoth |
| 06:12.01 | netdaemon | nexuiz =) |
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| 06:12.47 | jmd | Azar: What's the issue with this patent agreement? |
| 06:13.11 | brianski | are there other firewall solutions on debian besides iptables? it seems there is no linux ipf, so i'm wondering if there is ipfilter or ipfw or so? |
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| 06:13.35 | cast | brianski: if you use the kFreeBSD kernel then you can use pf :) |
| 06:13.40 | brianski | cast- heh |
| 06:13.41 | Azar | I got lbreakout2, Penguin Command, trackballs technoballz supertux, xscavenger frozen bubble..and more |
| 06:13.56 | streuner | brianski: what's wrong with iptables? |
| 06:13.59 | cast | brianski: the debian gnu/kfreebsd port is pretty usable |
| 06:14.02 | Azar | jmd Novell who owns Suse married MS, in fact they sold out to MS |
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| 06:14.45 | Azar | then some guy from MS started flaming at linux stupid accusations |
| 06:15.00 | gus_ | hi |
| 06:15.03 | Azar | everyone is up on arms for that |
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| 06:15.10 | cast | .uy, never seen there before |
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| 06:15.12 | jmd | But Suse's work was GPL'd ? |
| 06:15.25 | gimmulf | Hi, i registered an domain at setup an DNS for it at afraid.org... How do i get it poiting at my server? at the domain preferences i used afraid.org's nameservers.. |
| 06:15.27 | netdaemon | Azar: Steve Balmer, the CEO |
| 06:15.29 | netdaemon | :P |
| 06:15.32 | gus_ | cast, there's allways a first time |
| 06:15.38 | gus_ | cast, ;) |
| 06:15.53 | Azar | jmd yes, but some people think all this deal is a circus and Novell betrays the community |
| 06:16.09 | Azar | netdaemon: I did not want to name names.. whatever |
| 06:16.20 | gus_ | guys |
| 06:16.37 | gus_ | question: i just did apt-build source pckg |
| 06:16.48 | netdaemon | he's a nutjob anyways |
| 06:16.59 | jmd | I have to admit, that I'm naturally suspicious of anything that either of those companies do. But I don't understand the problem with the patent agreement. |
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| 06:17.05 | gus_ | now i need to install it from the sources i downloaded |
| 06:17.23 | brianski | d'oh |
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| 06:17.38 | Azar | sad is, that the old saying worked again for ms: if you can beat them, buy them... and Novell fell for it |
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| 06:18.00 | cast | both novell and MS are not really non-proprietary companies, i don't see what the big deal is. who cares. i'd be more worried about redhat doing something like that, but novell is a new player, insigificant as far as i am concerned |
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| 06:18.21 | Azar | cast, they drag a linux distro in the dirt |
| 06:18.29 | cast | so? let it die. |
| 06:18.44 | kupesoft | What about free multiplayer FPS for Debian? |
| 06:18.52 | craigevil | its way OT here anyway |
| 06:18.54 | netdaemon | kupesoft: nexuiz =) |
| 06:18.58 | netdaemon | very quakelike |
| 06:19.07 | lastnode | kupesoft, cube? |
| 06:19.11 | zoyd | how do i know which debian pkg includes Config::Record? |
| 06:19.23 | zoyd | that's a perl module |
| 06:19.26 | cast | we have lots of distro's. we can stand for one or two to get knocked off ;) |
| 06:19.40 | lastnode | zoyd, why dont you just get it via cpan? |
| 06:19.42 | streuner | !tell zoyd about search |
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| 06:19.48 | cast | netdaemon: opengl? |
| 06:20.06 | jmd | If two companies agree not to instigate patent suits against each other, what's the problem with that? |
| 06:20.07 | Winkie | jmd: 296 for 3 you're looking good :( |
| 06:20.08 | netdaemon | cast: yes it is opengl... |
| 06:20.18 | ben_h | looks like a quake3 clone |
| 06:20.22 | jmd | Winkie: Thanks. |
| 06:20.28 | Winkie | jmd: the problem is implicit implication that the patent claims are valid |
| 06:20.31 | netdaemon | embrace, and extinguish... |
| 06:20.47 | zoyd | lastnode: i can't. i need it to be included into a debian meta pkg. |
| 06:20.49 | Winkie | jmd: i'm sure we'll still win :) |
| 06:20.49 | cast | netdaemon: excellent. i'll be playing it in 20 minutes :> |
| 06:21.18 | netdaemon | cast: its pretty fast paced too =) |
| 06:21.41 | jmd | As an expat pom, I've not yet made up my mind which team to back. |
| 06:22.06 | Winkie | haha the only team you can back ;) |
| 06:22.09 | Winkie | where are you from mate? |
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| 06:23.40 | Vaske_Car | Does anybody use BUICI-CLOCK? |
| 06:23.53 | jmd | The only sensible writing I can find is here: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/20061109a.html |
| 06:23.54 | Vaske_Car | I installed it but not sure how to start it |
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| 06:24.27 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:30.25 | dserban | suse's dead? :o \o/ |
| 06:30.48 | Azar | anyways... was a tragicomic read.. now on with the life |
| 06:31.11 | Azar | I read all the signatures and comments on the petition dserban... |
| 06:31.32 | Azar | jmd nothing bad for ms ofcourse |
| 06:32.00 | dserban | petition? |
| 06:32.31 | Azar | dserban: scroll up |
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| 06:38.40 | concept10 | what linux distro could possible fit on 8mb of flash disk space? |
| 06:39.13 | Winkie | linux on a floppy |
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| 06:40.44 | Azar | gah 1.4mb? |
| 06:41.09 | Winkie | heh the loaf website is dead |
| 06:41.32 | Winkie | well there are plenty of linux distros that will fit under 8 meg, i just can't name any, there's mulinux but i haven't actually used it |
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| 06:43.00 | concept10 | i have a old network appliance called a ITServe Rideway Station. I think it has some version of redhat on it now. It has a 8mb flash card plugged right into the ide port |
| 06:43.07 | concept10 | so I need to fit it on there |
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| 06:49.08 | grigora | anyone knows how to map netis keys to use arrow keys? thanks |
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| 06:54.47 | huhlig | sigh |
| 06:54.52 | huhlig | anyone here know perl tk? |
| 06:55.10 | xnito | i do |
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| 06:55.59 | huhlig | xnito, mind giving a a moments hand? |
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| 06:56.10 | huhlig | http://pastebin.ca/255669 |
| 06:56.13 | huhlig | what did a mess up on |
| 06:56.48 | blackwing | can someone help me with (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM? I just upgraded to Xorg7.1 |
| 06:58.20 | huhlig | xnito, any ideas? |
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| 06:58.49 | huhlig | if I change it from grid to pack it works |
| 06:59.43 | tuv | how to use sudo with output forwarding, e.g. sudo echo > /etc/file => permission denied |
| 07:02.45 | zasz | wow there sure are alot of bugs to fix before etch goes stable |
| 07:03.05 | zasz | i wonder if the debian developers are in overdrive right nwo |
| 07:03.08 | zasz | now |
| 07:04.00 | huhlig | xnito, ? |
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| 07:11.17 | huhlig | and silenxe ensues |
| 07:11.37 | huhlig | silence |
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| 07:13.25 | pitillo | blackwing, do you have drm module loaded? |
| 07:13.51 | blackwing | yes. radeon & drm are loaded successfully.. I can see from lsmod |
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| 07:15.06 | blackwing | tried to reinstall the driver like twice |
| 07:15.43 | pitillo | and your agp motherboard controller too? |
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| 07:16.16 | blackwing | that I haven't.. do I have to? |
| 07:16.43 | pitillo | yes, drm needs it |
| 07:17.09 | blackwing | did you mean agpgart? |
| 07:17.21 | tarzeau | kupesoft: hi |
| 07:17.29 | blackwing | I have intel_agp & agpgart modules loaded |
| 07:17.43 | pitillo | yes both. |
| 07:18.29 | blackwing | it was fine with Xorg 7.0. what I mean by that is I got Direct Rendering |
| 07:18.48 | pitillo | that is the only error you got at Xorg? |
| 07:19.02 | pitillo | s/this is/is this |
| 07:19.19 | blackwing | (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM |
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| 07:19.26 | blackwing | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 07:19.31 | blackwing | only those two |
| 07:19.49 | pitillo | remove aiglx extension |
| 07:20.35 | blackwing | the reason I upgrade to Xorg 7.1 is to enjoy compiz without Xgl |
| 07:21.38 | blackwing | are you saying the problem will be fixed if I remove AIGLX extension? |
| 07:21.39 | pitillo | well, can not help much. Sorry. |
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| 07:26.53 | GoAuLd | hi |
| 07:27.24 | GoAuLd | how can i prevent a user from executing irc, k3b , amsn, etc ? |
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| 07:28.03 | GoAuLd | i tried chroot and installing some software but its becoming a headache, there is no way to build a separate X session so.... |
| 07:28.14 | tarzeau | damn where's abrotman, he should read this http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1890 |
| 07:28.16 | GoAuLd | any help please |
| 07:28.23 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: remove the user or the irc, k3b, amsn etc |
| 07:28.42 | GoAuLd | i only want to preven This user |
| 07:28.46 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: why? |
| 07:28.58 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: give him another computer without that software, or fiddle with the unix permissions |
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| 07:29.07 | GoAuLd | this is the only one |
| 07:29.09 | GoAuLd | :-\ |
| 07:29.15 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: then fiddle with the unix permissions |
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| 07:29.42 | GoAuLd | unix perms in /usr/bin ? |
| 07:29.44 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: can you not just tell him? |
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| 07:30.13 | GoAuLd | sure.... |
| 07:30.15 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 07:30.16 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: yes, but really it'll be messy |
| 07:30.46 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: if i tell my users to not use some software, they listen |
| 07:30.53 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: obviously you've got an authority problem |
| 07:31.15 | GoAuLd | i though chroots did what they say it did |
| 07:31.22 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: ha ha ha |
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| 07:31.32 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: and restricted shells restrict shells? |
| 07:31.38 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 07:31.40 | tarzeau | it's all fairy tales. don't believe anyone |
| 07:31.45 | tarzeau | ha ha ha MUWAHAHAHAHA |
| 07:31.48 | pitillo | GoAuLd, fix permissions |
| 07:32.07 | GoAuLd | perms in /usr/bin ? |
| 07:32.10 | GoAuLd | i dont think so |
| 07:32.32 | tarzeau | and the stork brings the babies? |
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| 07:32.40 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:32.46 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: look if you don't want to belive us, don't ask |
| 07:32.51 | pitillo | you have the choice to create groups, put there users and restrict what you want |
| 07:32.53 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: you've been told by two people already |
| 07:33.16 | tarzeau | you can run some daemon to poll for processes |
| 07:33.23 | tarzeau | and kill them if they are from that user |
| 07:33.38 | tarzeau | like pkill -u youruser -9 theprocessnames |
| 07:33.48 | tarzeau | but if the user is smart enough to rename some binaries,... |
| 07:34.08 | tarzeau | but then you can give him read only home, and no other place to write, or small enough quota... |
| 07:34.14 | tarzeau | but really, unix wasn't made for this |
| 07:34.29 | tarzeau | what you want to do sucks |
| 07:34.30 | GoAuLd | hahahhaa |
| 07:34.58 | GoAuLd | u dont like restrictions thats where ur actitude coming |
| 07:35.10 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: true, but it's not an attitude |
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| 07:35.29 | tarzeau | !nickometer GoAuLd |
| 07:35.30 | dpkg | 'GoAuLd' is 8.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 07:36.31 | pitillo | tarzeau, I don´t think so. The meaning of groups is that. T think the best way is to create some and then own what you need. It´s hard to do, but here is possible. |
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| 07:36.43 | pitillo | s/T/I |
| 07:36.46 | tarzeau | pitillo: you have users that can't run some software? |
| 07:36.57 | Papua_papuA | hi people |
| 07:36.59 | tarzeau | pitillo: i know it's possible, but the debian system will mess up the permissions of binaries |
| 07:37.08 | tarzeau | pitillo: i didn't check to be sure, but i guess so very much |
| 07:37.17 | pitillo | no, but I think it can be posible with groups help. |
| 07:37.28 | tarzeau | pitillo: still it should be no problem to do, but i doubt GoAuLd can do it with his questioning/attitude |
| 07:37.33 | tarzeau | pitillo: definitely, yes |
| 07:37.40 | pitillo | that´s sure |
| 07:37.56 | tarzeau | it's just not a button "don't allow this user to run x, y, z" |
| 07:38.01 | pitillo | xD |
| 07:38.02 | GoAuLd | if someone wants to do something is for a reason, in my case i want that user to use MY computer to study, not to talk, that user had many chances and betrayed my confidence many times |
| 07:38.27 | tarzeau | see that's why openstep had four domains |
| 07:38.30 | tarzeau | and they are good. |
| 07:38.35 | tarzeau | nextstep even |
| 07:38.52 | tarzeau | but debian chose to rape them for the sake of FHS shit |
| 07:39.27 | |ryan| | is there a way to re-sync only the blocks that changed in a RAID? |
| 07:39.49 | Papua_papuA | I'm installing the 64bit version of debian and I have a problem when the installation process end, the X system doesn't works. In the error reporter I can read "EE: no device found" and later "Fatal error: no Screens found" I tried to configure the /etc/X11/Xorg.conf but I don't know what to do |
| 07:39.54 | Papua_papuA | thx |
| 07:39.59 | |ryan| | someone mentioned to me that there was some way to do that. |
| 07:40.08 | GoAuLd | so the suposed elasticity and coolynes of linux and the known old storys of "if you think it u can do it", its clear that its a thing of the past |
| 07:40.36 | GoAuLd | something so simple like jail a user, with hist X session impossible |
| 07:40.53 | GoAuLd | and u talk about security |
| 07:40.57 | GoAuLd | :) |
| 07:41.08 | pitillo | Papua_papuA, use the generic "vesa" driver. Then Try to use google to see if anyone has your problem too. |
| 07:41.56 | GoAuLd | Papua_papuA: are you using the 64 bit version of the graphics card drivers? |
| 07:42.01 | pitillo | GoAuLd, security starts fixing user/groups permissions. You can jail a application (are you sure you can jail a user?) |
| 07:42.18 | Papua_papuA | wich term I have to change for "vesa"? |
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| 07:43.08 | Papua_papuA | GoAuLd I didn't install the driver for the vga, the error ocurs with the default one installed by default |
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| 07:43.35 | GoAuLd | pitillo, so tell me how to forbid access to cdrdao to user john |
| 07:43.49 | pitillo | Papua_papuA, take a look to /etc/x11/xorg.conf file |
| 07:44.07 | pitillo | GoAuLd, tell me the permissions now... |
| 07:44.57 | GoAuLd | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 07:45.14 | GoAuLd | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 07:45.17 | pitillo | GoAuLd, acces is forbiden now |
| 07:45.25 | pitillo | that´s another thing... |
| 07:45.40 | Papua_papuA | yes pitillo, I did it but I don't understand where I must put "vesa". Do I need to find the "driver" entry? |
| 07:46.11 | pitillo | remove r&x from others and create a new group, change group perms and add to that the users you want to use it. |
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| 07:46.21 | GoAuLd | Papua_papuA: use one provided by ur graphic manufacturer |
| 07:46.30 | aadil | install intel graphics driver? |
| 07:46.35 | GoAuLd | nvidia ati ? |
| 07:46.47 | GoAuLd | go there and download 64 bit drivers |
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| 07:46.52 | Papua_papuA | I don't know how to do it GoAuLd |
| 07:46.57 | Papua_papuA | ah, ok |
| 07:47.01 | GoAuLd | here we go! |
| 07:47.21 | Papua_papuA | then I upgrade the drivers and don't change the Xorg.conf? |
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| 07:47.43 | pitillo | Papua_papuA, yes, take a look to that file and look for your Device Section related to your card, and chage your Driver "any" for Driver "vesa" |
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| 07:48.15 | pitillo | Papua_papuA, make a backup of that file first before making any change... |
| 07:48.29 | Papua_papuA | ok, I will |
| 07:48.38 | Papua_papuA | I'm gonna try |
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| 07:49.23 | GoAuLd | i though selinux could improve the lack of elasticity of my linux box, in matters of granting access to aplications in a user/app basis |
| 07:49.35 | GoAuLd | i was wrong |
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| 07:49.49 | Papua_papuA | thanks GoAuLd and pitillo , and if you are spanish as it seems for your nick, gracias y hasta otra |
| 07:50.19 | GoAuLd | its a headache, even worse than managing the suposedly securest "chroot jails" |
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| 07:51.07 | pstickne | elasticity? |
| 07:51.51 | GoAuLd | flexibility |
| 07:52.26 | GoAuLd | it was flexible 10 years ago |
| 07:52.27 | GoAuLd | :-\ |
| 07:52.37 | pitillo | GoAuLd, user/app basis? the basics are the permisions.... |
| 07:53.17 | GoAuLd | but i upgrade system a weekly basis, at least one per week |
| 07:53.24 | GoAuLd | perms chanche after upgrades |
| 07:53.47 | GoAuLd | not mentioning, touch /usr/bin perms is dangerous |
| 07:54.05 | GoAuLd | a mistake could make a big hole |
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| 07:54.33 | GoAuLd | you can tell me about ACL, and it could improve the thing a little |
| 07:54.43 | pitillo | dangerous is touching things without the sufficient knowledge. Doesn´t matter under /usr/bin or under /bin directly |
| 07:54.45 | GoAuLd | but the problem of upgrades still persist |
| 07:54.58 | Guerin | limiting users to certain apps is stupid |
| 07:55.02 | Guerin | in principle |
| 07:55.15 | zerodni | GoAuLd, what do you think the time line will be for selinux to make it in to the main repostory |
| 07:55.28 | Guerin | zerodni: selinux is in debian *now* |
| 07:55.39 | Guerin | has been for ages, actually |
| 07:55.48 | GoAuLd | so if you want your syster to not touch "sex downloader.exe" |
| 07:56.00 | GoAuLd | its stupid denie it to her right |
| 07:56.05 | zerodni | i know that but i mean on by defalt |
| 07:56.16 | pitillo | you have choices... if they are net applications, you can implement a proxy and limit application access... you can implement filter rules with iptables... |
| 07:56.42 | Guerin | zerodni: more or less never, since it's such a major pain in the arse to 99% of users |
| 07:56.44 | pitillo | or another time, fix permisions |
| 07:56.55 | Guerin | zerodni: and anyone who needs it shyould be competent enough to enable it. |
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| 07:57.08 | Guerin | GoAuLd: yes. |
| 07:57.16 | Guerin | GoAuLd: that is stupid. |
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| 07:57.35 | zerodni | true i agree with that why do you think red hat went another way? |
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| 07:57.52 | johnnyss | hello I have a problem distupgrading. |
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| 07:58.04 | Guerin | zerodni: because red hat have pretentions of being 'enterprise grade' - meaning 'manager-ready' |
| 07:58.07 | johnnyss | I get this: |
| 07:58.12 | Guerin | johnnyss: don't paste |
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| 07:58.26 | johnnyss | where to paste then? |
| 07:58.30 | GoAuLd | guerin, what you would do to denie access to user bin laden, to use the program "mass destruction.exe" |
| 07:58.35 | Guerin | !paster |
| 07:58.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:58.43 | Guerin | GoAuLd: nothing whatsoever. |
| 07:58.48 | GoAuLd | its stupid |
| 07:58.51 | GoAuLd | xDDD |
| 07:59.09 | Guerin | GoAuLd: since if such a program existed, and did wqhat it said, there would be absolutely nothing I could possibly do to prevent it getting out somehow. |
| 07:59.27 | GoAuLd | oohh |
| 07:59.31 | GoAuLd | those programs exist |
| 07:59.37 | GoAuLd | believe me |
| 07:59.43 | Guerin | GoAuLd: yeah, I know. |
| 07:59.54 | Guerin | GoAuLd: i'm an islamic terrorist myself |
| 08:00.01 | zerodni | lol |
| 08:00.01 | Guerin | GoAuLd: but ssh, don't tell. |
| 08:00.13 | Guerin | GoAuLd: i'm on an encrypted connection right now |
| 08:00.25 | Guerin | WEAPONS-GRADE encryption!!1 |
| 08:00.26 | GoAuLd | too late, fbi is monitoring right now |
| 08:00.32 | zerodni | who would use telnet anymore except for cisco |
| 08:00.47 | GoAuLd | yea |
| 08:00.47 | Guerin | zerodni: i use telnet ... |
| 08:00.54 | GoAuLd | why cisto still use that shit? |
| 08:00.57 | Guerin | zerodni: ... for testing whether a daemon is listening |
| 08:01.11 | zerodni | yeah i agree the client but not the server |
| 08:01.19 | Guerin | GoAuLd: because they know everyone will have it, whereas they can't guarantee that with any ssh implementation |
| 08:01.25 | zerodni | telnet servername 25 saves my life at work all the time |
| 08:02.17 | zerodni | i dont agree that is saying we shouldnt use ssl becase some guy may not have an uptodate browser |
| 08:02.53 | Guerin | zerodni: different issue. If you need to telnet into your cisco router, it's an unusual event, usually a last resort |
| 08:03.04 | Guerin | there HAS to be a last restrt |
| 08:03.09 | zerodni | true |
| 08:05.04 | pstickne | last resort is the serial connection ;) |
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| 08:05.21 | zerodni | yeah |
| 08:05.25 | Guerin | pstickne: you mean schlepping over to where the hardware actually IS? |
| 08:05.35 | pstickne | Guerin, yup, yup |
| 08:05.40 | zerodni | we disable telnet at work on our cisco and intel switchs and routers |
| 08:05.46 | Guerin | pstickne: nevar! |
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| 08:06.12 | zerodni | and no schlepping chair has weels |
| 08:06.30 | pstickne | *chairs*? |
| 08:07.11 | zerodni | my chair i roll it in to the elvater and go down to the server room in the bastment butt never leaves chair |
| 08:07.29 | Guerin | this is why computer geeks are fat |
| 08:07.49 | cast | i resent that. i am either too fat or too skinny, not merely too fat! |
| 08:07.51 | zerodni | i am a 145 and i eat alot so that is just a myth |
| 08:08.04 | pstickne | zerodni, fatass. |
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| 08:08.09 | cast | i feel it averages out to 'normal' |
| 08:08.19 | zerodni | how is 145 fat |
| 08:08.28 | pstickne | in America, isn't the normal fat? :( |
| 08:08.37 | zerodni | very true |
| 08:08.40 | cast | pstickne: i wonder how that distorts your BMI |
| 08:08.45 | pstickne | zerodni, you have me by anywhere between 2 and 5 lbs ;) |
| 08:09.26 | pstickne | cast, in being fat but only a buck fifty? |
| 08:09.27 | zerodni | but im english maybe that is why im not fat |
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| 08:10.23 | zerodni | i guess it just depends on your hight |
| 08:10.25 | GoAuLd | and u got big teeth? |
| 08:10.29 | zerodni | lol |
| 08:10.36 | zerodni | now that is true |
| 08:10.51 | GoAuLd | lol |
| 08:10.52 | zerodni | like a dame horse |
| 08:10.59 | cast | zerodni: BMI is a reasonable measure of how fat you are imo, as long as you acknowledge its limitations |
| 08:11.13 | zerodni | lol |
| 08:11.14 | Guerin | well, yeah |
| 08:11.34 | pstickne | or the inaccuracies with various methods used to determine it... |
| 08:11.36 | Guerin | at fighting weight, when I was doing muay thai, I was still marginal overweight |
| 08:11.56 | Guerin | so BMI is a but reactionary, in my experience |
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| 08:12.56 | zerodni | speeking of the fbi do you think they are any fat spooks? |
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| 08:13.32 | KnowledgEngi | hello |
| 08:13.42 | Guerin | zerodni: how else would they blend in? |
| 08:13.43 | pstickne | zerodni, not on TV shows anyway |
| 08:13.44 | zerodni | hello how are you |
| 08:13.44 | dpkg | peachy, zerodni |
| 08:14.01 | KnowledgEngi | kernel panic: not syncin, unable to mount root on fs |
| 08:14.03 | KnowledgEngi | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NS8Tpk66.html |
| 08:14.11 | KnowledgEngi | this is the procedure that i used ! |
| 08:14.37 | Guerin | KnowledgEngi: 1. don't fucking paste 2. use a debian kernel |
| 08:15.12 | netdaemon | mmm |
| 08:15.14 | KnowledgEngi | you do not like paste? |
| 08:15.16 | netdaemon | debian kernel very portable it is |
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| 08:15.34 | netdaemon | went from a celeron to an athlon64 system without a hitch ^_^ |
| 08:15.35 | cast | KnowledgEngi: don't you want #ubuntu bro? |
| 08:15.36 | Guerin | KnowledgEngi: there are nearly 700 people here. Imagine if pasting was allowed. |
| 08:15.38 | radical_ | KnowledgEngi: you either forgot to include ide support or support for your controller into the kernel (most likely only as module) |
| 08:15.43 | zerodni | i agree use debian kernel |
| 08:15.50 | KnowledgEngi | i'm use ubuntu edgy |
| 08:15.59 | KnowledgEngi | ubuntu is debian based |
| 08:16.07 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 08:16.07 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 08:16.11 | radical_ | KnowledgEngi: ubuntu is for lamers |
| 08:16.15 | zerodni | but they make changes |
| 08:16.19 | tarzeau | KnowledgEngi: want to try http://livecd.gnustep.org/ ? |
| 08:16.30 | tarzeau | radical_: oh, now i wouldn't say it like that |
| 08:16.41 | radical_ | tarzeau: well, i would :) |
| 08:16.50 | tarzeau | radical_: but certainly it's for people who don't care much about free software and just want to save the money for windows |
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| 08:16.53 | cast | i'd rather people used ubuntu over suse/redhat/mdk/all the other rpm based distro's tbh :) |
| 08:17.02 | Guerin | cast: word |
| 08:17.07 | tarzeau | cast: ack |
| 08:17.09 | Guerin | cast: or should I say, emacs |
| 08:17.22 | tarzeau | cast: because suse/redhat makes money that doesn't get spent on free software? |
| 08:17.38 | SerajewelKS | KnowledgEngi: ubuntu is based on debian, but it is not debian. ask in #ubuntu. |
| 08:17.50 | Guerin | because suse is owned by microsoft, and red hat is owned by oracle? |
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| 08:18.03 | zerodni | debian is all we have left |
| 08:18.26 | Guerin | zerodni: it's like we're the rebel alliance, and all we have is the ice planet hoth. |
| 08:18.26 | tarzeau | Guerin: suse is owned by novell owned by microsoft |
| 08:18.30 | radical_ | well if i made money, i wouldnt spend it on free software either ;) |
| 08:18.33 | Guerin | tarzeau: as I said. |
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| 08:18.48 | tarzeau | and what about fedora? opensuse? |
| 08:19.07 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: do we get lightsabres too? |
| 08:19.08 | netdaemon | slackware...gentoo |
| 08:19.22 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: only pink ones |
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| 08:19.29 | Guerin | those weren't specifically mentioned, but they still have more going for them technically than ubuntu |
| 08:19.29 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: word |
| 08:19.32 | Guerin | err |
| 08:19.34 | tarzeau | netdaemon: they're minor |
| 08:19.35 | Guerin | s/more/less/ |
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| 08:19.41 | cast | netdaemon: how aligned is gentoo to free software? never used it [for long] |
| 08:19.51 | tarzeau | cast: not specially, freebsd is much better |
| 08:19.51 | davedwards | hey anyone got a hp pavilion? |
| 08:19.51 | zerodni | it just seems that fedora and opensuse would dry up if red hat and novell when away |
| 08:19.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: we have to make them out of ice crystals and the bones of dead monsters |
| 08:20.02 | tarzeau | zerodni: true |
| 08:20.03 | netdaemon | ah, well i take it back now that you mention that cast |
| 08:20.15 | tarzeau | zerodni: and those people wouldn't go back to micorosft, or mac os x, but to debian? |
| 08:20.16 | zerodni | and gentoo will still compiling kde the next 100years but i kid |
| 08:20.21 | davedwards | i need help getting a wlan driver to work |
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| 08:20.33 | davedwards | anyone good with installing wireless drivers in Debian? |
| 08:20.34 | zerodni | davedwards, what driver is it |
| 08:20.41 | Guerin | !ask |
| 08:20.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:20.54 | davedwards | the bcmwl5.inf driver |
| 08:21.18 | zerodni | so you are using ndlswrapper |
| 08:21.19 | davedwards | i have it on my original win xp drivers cd, just can't seen to get ndiswrapper to accept it |
| 08:21.22 | davedwards | yeah |
| 08:21.32 | davedwards | it keeps kicking back, invalid driver |
| 08:21.33 | zerodni | what chip set is it |
| 08:21.38 | pstickne | davedwards, no native driver? |
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| 08:21.42 | davedwards | 4306 |
| 08:21.53 | johnnyss | here is my problem of the dist-upgrade: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4581 |
| 08:21.56 | cydork | davedwards: pastebin the error |
| 08:21.58 | davedwards | yeah it had a native driver when i first installed ndiswrapper |
| 08:21.59 | cydork | !paster |
| 08:21.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:22.07 | johnnyss | is there some way to fix it? |
| 08:22.11 | netdaemon | davedwards: the bcm driver in the kernel should work after you extract the firmware |
| 08:22.20 | zerodni | you may have a driver conflict |
| 08:22.49 | zerodni | you may have to black list for use ndis |
| 08:22.51 | davedwards | hm, well i erased it when i thought the native driver wasn't working and that i needed to install the driver from the cd that came with my laptop |
| 08:23.01 | radical_ | johnnyss: dpkg -i --force-all mypackage <-- solves everything *cough* |
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| 08:23.25 | cydork | !force-all |
| 08:23.25 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 08:23.25 | zerodni | radical_, but sometimes brakes your toys |
| 08:23.28 | johnnyss | ok Ill try that.. |
| 08:23.46 | davedwards | ekk |
| 08:23.54 | cydork | johnnyss: no! just try apt-get --purge remove <package name> |
| 08:23.58 | davedwards | ok good thing you said that dpkg, i almost tried that |
| 08:24.07 | johnnyss | ok |
| 08:24.12 | radical_ | zerodni: yeah well, lets put it that way: if the package maintainer fucks up or the upgrade is too large to encounter any erros during testing, --force-all will most likely help |
| 08:24.32 | Guerin | radical_: you're stupid. |
| 08:24.39 | radical_ | Guerin: yes i am |
| 08:24.50 | radical_ | as stupid as correct :) |
| 08:24.52 | zerodni | davedwards, did you make sure that a driver is not being loaded for that nic and just not working |
| 08:24.59 | Guerin | radical_: it's ALWAYS (no exceptions) better to see WHICH of the --force- options is required./ |
| 08:25.19 | radical_ | Guerin: --force-all is shorter than --force-overwrite |
| 08:25.27 | Guerin | radical_: no. You're more stupid than correct, becuase you're only partly correct, but you're all stupid. |
| 08:25.28 | radical_ | and i always get typos with overwrite |
| 08:25.33 | johnnyss | cydork, it gives this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4582 |
| 08:25.33 | streuner | Guerin: is there a special reason why you insult people? |
| 08:25.41 | zerodni | also if a package maintainer fucks up you need to send a bug report not force :P |
| 08:25.46 | radical_ | ovewrtite overwirte aaargh |
| 08:25.47 | Guerin | streuner: mostly them being stupid is what does it. |
| 08:25.52 | pstickne | alias apt-get="apt-get --force-all" *g* |
| 08:25.57 | cydork | streuner: na he is correct for first time :P |
| 08:25.59 | radical_ | Guerin: you are evil |
| 08:26.00 | tarzeau | pstickne: ouch |
| 08:26.11 | Guerin | radical_: so good, I'm evil. |
| 08:26.18 | zerodni | lol |
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| 08:26.22 | cydork | pstickne: dont you love your debian? |
| 08:26.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: know what comes to mind? |
| 08:26.33 | streuner | so NO special reason, fine :-) |
| 08:26.44 | radical_ | Guerin: no gifts for you this xmas! santa will come and slap you aroung with a suse administrators handbook |
| 08:26.45 | davedwards | how would i check for that zerodni? |
| 08:26.49 | radical_ | d |
| 08:26.50 | tarzeau | Guerin: the filename says it all: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ninnu1054151-wheniamgoodiamprettygoodbutwheniambadiamevenbetter.jpg |
| 08:26.55 | cydork | johnnyss: now try apt-get -f install |
| 08:27.00 | pstickne | cydork, when I don't get package conflicts between running between stable, testing and unstable, yes ;) |
| 08:27.14 | Guerin | radical_: choice, I get to beat the fat bastard up for not bringing me a puppy when I was nine. |
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| 08:27.34 | zerodni | davedwards, lspci to see if you nic even shows up |
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| 08:27.35 | johnnyss | Command line option --force-all is not understood |
| 08:27.37 | ftatr2006 | hello |
| 08:27.42 | cydork | pstickne: you are bound screw up some day! |
| 08:27.51 | cydork | johnnyss: you are not suppose to use it! |
| 08:27.57 | ftatr2006 | im trying to install an os but i dotn know how to do it can some one help me? |
| 08:28.00 | Guerin | johnnyss: that's not what he said to do |
| 08:28.07 | Guerin | ftatr2006: which OS? |
| 08:28.09 | cydork | ftatr2006: which os? |
| 08:28.12 | davedwards | yeah it shows up as my broadcom 802.11g wireless lan controller |
| 08:28.18 | ftatr2006 | bsd |
| 08:28.21 | johnnyss | I did this.. |
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| 08:28.22 | johnnyss | alias apt-get="apt-get --force-all" |
| 08:28.23 | pstickne | cydork, it's already happened several times O.o |
| 08:28.23 | Guerin | ftatr2006: which OS? |
| 08:28.26 | johnnyss | then |
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| 08:28.33 | Guerin | ftatr2006: hint: 'bsd' is not a fucking OS. |
| 08:28.33 | ftatr2006 | freebsd |
| 08:28.35 | pstickne | johnnyss, no, don't do that. |
| 08:28.39 | johnnyss | apt-get -f install |
| 08:28.41 | cydork | !tell johnnyss -about force-all |
| 08:28.42 | johnnyss | ok |
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| 08:28.43 | Guerin | ftatr2006: ask in #freebsd then, ffs |
| 08:28.47 | zerodni | what mods are you loading on boot check /etc/modules |
| 08:28.57 | radical_ | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.1.1-10_i386.deb would have solved your initial problem |
| 08:29.20 | cydork | radical_: STFU |
| 08:29.24 | cydork | :P |
| 08:29.26 | johnnyss | radical_, ok.. |
| 08:29.42 | johnnyss | radical_, Ill try that.. |
| 08:29.43 | zerodni | somebodys toys are going to brake in the next 10min :P |
| 08:29.51 | davedwards | zerodni: just loop, sbp2 and ndiswrapper |
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| 08:29.58 | raf256 | is that safe: |
| 08:30.02 | raf256 | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388.... ? |
| 08:30.17 | raf256 | the export 0847... command do check the fungerprint by the well? and the fpr is 0847...? |
| 08:30.34 | zerodni | davedwards, take out the ndis and see what is loading |
| 08:30.37 | streuner | Is it safe to shoot yourself into foot? |
| 08:30.45 | radical_ | johnnyss: dont feel bad about that kind of errors, its quite usual when running an old system that wasnt upgraded in a long time. you cann --force your way through all of the overwrite errors and most of the dependancy errors |
| 08:30.56 | raf256 | where can I see a message, signed by previous gpg key (that on install cd) that confirms that 08470F... is the correct finger print of new key? |
| 08:31.04 | zerodni | streuner, depends on if you have heath incurence |
| 08:31.05 | iuso | i'm getting this error when i try to read/write the hardware clock time: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 08:31.08 | johnnyss | radical_, thanks it is working now :) |
| 08:31.11 | iuso | anyone seen it? |
| 08:31.18 | davedwards | zerodni: ok, i commented ndis out.... |
| 08:31.21 | radical_ | johnnyss: :) |
| 08:31.34 | davedwards | now it should just be loop and sbp2 |
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| 08:32.06 | zerodni | are you rebooting or did you just reload your modules |
| 08:32.22 | davedwards | i haven't rebooted since talking to you |
| 08:32.43 | davedwards | do i need to reboot after changing the /etc/modules? |
| 08:33.03 | streuner | raf256: how long do you use debian? |
| 08:33.06 | johnnyss | radical_, it was an old backort of X that was causing the problem.. |
| 08:33.18 | johnnyss | s/backport |
| 08:33.28 | zerodni | no you dont have to but i have to find the command to unload a mod with out reboot |
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| 08:33.55 | davedwards | i'll look for it too |
| 08:34.00 | davedwards | if not, i can just reboot |
| 08:34.04 | davedwards | no biggie |
| 08:34.13 | zerodni | i know its modprobe just looking for the switch |
| 08:34.17 | zerodni | ok found it |
| 08:34.21 | zerodni | i love man |
| 08:34.22 | zerodni | :p |
| 08:34.43 | davedwards | lol yeah! |
| 08:34.55 | zerodni | its modprobe -r ndiswrapper |
| 08:35.10 | davedwards | k, no errors on that one |
| 08:35.14 | zerodni | then do a modprobe -l |
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| 08:35.27 | davedwards | wow, a BIG list |
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| 08:35.47 | zerodni | yeah that is all your drivers |
| 08:35.47 | davedwards | all in /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 08:35.51 | radical_ | johnnyss: can you imagine, ati users have to do it all the time, because the fglrx driver has the same file as some mesa package ... that is sooo annoying, everytime one of the packages gets upgraded the same procedure ... install fails, --force-overwrite /var/waht/a/damn/long/path/if/you/have/several/versions/of/packages/you/get/pissed/very/fast, continue install ... |
| 08:35.51 | zerodni | yep |
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| 08:36.17 | davedwards | cool |
| 08:36.25 | zerodni | do a lspci and see what comes up |
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| 08:36.32 | davedwards | k |
| 08:36.45 | davedwards | all my hardware |
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| 08:36.53 | davedwards | my wireless controller is still in there |
| 08:36.54 | johnnyss | radical_, that sucks. |
| 08:37.00 | zerodni | ok good |
| 08:37.13 | johnnyss | radical_, its better with free drivers. |
| 08:37.20 | palenke2k | hellow |
| 08:37.29 | zerodni | so i think you do have a browdcom chipset |
| 08:37.36 | davedwards | yep |
| 08:37.38 | davedwards | it is |
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| 08:38.02 | davedwards | even says Broadcom 802.11g wireless lan (rev 03) |
| 08:38.12 | RvGaTe | goood morning freenode ! :D |
| 08:38.33 | netdaemon | he's to happy, someone kill him! |
| 08:38.33 | cydork | davedwards: you can check more details about it at http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 08:38.36 | zerodni | im triing to remember what driver does broadcom i think one came out a few months ago |
| 08:38.50 | radical_ | johnnyss: do they have acceleration features? the free drivers i mean |
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| 08:39.11 | zerodni | davedwards, are you on sarge etch or sid |
| 08:39.23 | johnnyss | radical_, yes but not the new one X1000 series.. |
| 08:39.50 | RvGaTe | cydork, i'm happy as long as i dont have to do anything ;) |
| 08:39.52 | davedwards | thanks cydork |
| 08:40.02 | davedwards | i don't see my lan card on that site though |
| 08:40.09 | johnnyss | radical_, fore those there is no free drivers for 2D or 3D at all. |
| 08:40.09 | davedwards | zerodni: etch i believe |
| 08:40.24 | zerodni | you belive ? |
| 08:40.29 | palenke2k | sorry by my bad English, somebody could say to me that application I can use for mixar mp3 live? (similar to the Soni Acid) |
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| 08:40.49 | cydork | RvGaTe: and you earn like that? |
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| 08:40.55 | davedwards | well yeah it's debian and in my pac-man it shows etch |
| 08:41.00 | RvGaTe | cydork, i do at the moment |
| 08:41.02 | zerodni | ok good |
| 08:41.14 | netdaemon | hrm...what name will testing acquire after etch is released? |
| 08:41.14 | pstickne | the "radeon" ATI driver with xorg supports both 2d and 3d accel, at least on a number of cards |
| 08:41.26 | tarzeau | pstickne: and it's slow? |
| 08:41.32 | tarzeau | pstickne: much slower than the fglrx one |
| 08:41.34 | davedwards | zerodni: yeah all my updates in repositories are etch |
| 08:41.52 | tarzeau | johnnyss: there's the nouveau project for nvidia cards |
| 08:41.54 | cydork | RvGaTe: :) |
| 08:41.54 | zerodni | i just have to remember what the braodcom drivers were called i use oranoco |
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| 08:42.00 | tarzeau | pstickne: but then the fglrx drivers are not THAT stable |
| 08:42.02 | RvGaTe | cydork, i could call my colleague and see if he knows something that needs to be done, but looking at the time, i might as well take advantage of the extra free time :P |
| 08:42.19 | davedwards | what the driver files for broadcom are called? |
| 08:42.28 | pstickne | tarzeau, it was actually faster in things like weznoth. it was slower when running things like fglxgears -- neither driver is near as good as in windows, but much of the problem probably lies in X itself. |
| 08:42.30 | davedwards | the ones i have start with like bcm |
| 08:42.33 | zerodni | trying to remember? :p |
| 08:42.41 | tarzeau | pstickne: possible |
| 08:42.43 | davedwards | bcmwl5.inf and .sys |
| 08:42.47 | johnnyss | tarzeau, yes I know I heard that nouveau might get into X 7.3 when it is relased in the spring. |
| 08:42.54 | pstickne | tarzeau, however I haven't done anything 3d since my last kernel upgrade so I'm not using the "official" driver |
| 08:43.03 | zerodni | that is windows im taling about the free drivers |
| 08:43.09 | davedwards | oooh |
| 08:43.16 | tarzeau | pstickne: brutalchess is pretty nice |
| 08:43.21 | davedwards | can't we google it? |
| 08:43.45 | davedwards | i have been searching through debian and linux forums for days |
| 08:43.48 | zerodni | thats what im doing i hope you are too lol |
| 08:43.49 | davedwards | trying all the howtos |
| 08:43.53 | davedwards | yes i am |
| 08:44.00 | pstickne | tarzeau, that's just chess with pretty graphics ala battlechess? |
| 08:44.14 | tarzeau | pstickne: yes |
| 08:44.56 | cydork | tarzeau: oooh preety graphics :P |
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| 08:45.02 | pstickne | I get so bored playing chess if it's not against a human face to face. |
| 08:45.13 | Xorm | me too. |
| 08:45.23 | Xorm | Only if I know though. |
| 08:45.27 | palenke2k | sorry, somebody could say to me that application I can use for mixar mp3 live? (similar to the Soni Acid or PC-DJ or traktor, etc??) |
| 08:45.44 | Xorm | mix mp3? |
| 08:45.49 | Xorm | You could use Audacity O_o |
| 08:45.50 | palenke2k | yes, on live |
| 08:45.56 | palenke2k | other? |
| 08:45.58 | Xorm | on live? |
| 08:46.06 | palenke2k | yes |
| 08:46.12 | tarzeau | cydork: yep :) |
| 08:46.21 | RvGaTe | Xorm he want's to do live sets... aka, live performance |
| 08:46.29 | sandman | Is there a place for Free Music? That is, ones distributed by artists who want to give it away for free? |
| 08:46.34 | Xorm | ohh |
| 08:46.44 | sandman | Legally free, I mean. I could have sword dmusic used to do that... |
| 08:46.44 | tarzeau | sandman: openbsd has some free release songs |
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| 08:46.52 | Xorm | o rly? |
| 08:47.00 | Xorm | Why would an OS have songs? |
| 08:47.01 | tarzeau | sandman: there's plenty of demoscene music |
| 08:47.02 | zerodni | also on the ndis are you loading the xp or 98 driver on the windows disc |
| 08:47.09 | tarzeau | Xorm: it's "release" songs |
| 08:47.15 | palenke2k | to mix music for a discoteca… something |
| 08:47.19 | tarzeau | Xorm: it's not played when the machine starts or a user logs in |
| 08:47.20 | RvGaTe | sandman, i know a few sites, but you have to wait a few minutes |
| 08:47.22 | sandman | Xorm: I don't know. Perhaps the same reason there are bsdgames |
| 08:47.27 | Xorm | oh. |
| 08:47.28 | sandman | RvGaTe: Okiedokie |
| 08:47.29 | cast | Xorm: each release has a theme. they make a song for it, its entertaining |
| 08:47.29 | Xorm | O_o |
| 08:47.38 | Xorm | oh, k. |
| 08:47.46 | cast | i'll find a link |
| 08:47.51 | davedwards | zerodni: i'm loading up the win xp drivers |
| 08:48.10 | sandman | Xorm: If you could just spread your messages across even more lines, that'd be great. :) |
| 08:48.12 | zerodni | hey also sure blacklist bcm** is not listed in lsmod |
| 08:48.19 | zerodni | you need to use the 98 ones |
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| 08:48.34 | davedwards | zerodni: they are on my disc in /media/cdrom0/SWSetup/WLAN/ |
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| 08:48.41 | davedwards | seriously? |
| 08:48.45 | davedwards | :-? |
| 08:48.47 | zerodni | yes |
| 08:48.50 | davedwards | oh wow |
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| 08:48.55 | RvGaTe | sandman, booting my pc now |
| 08:49.09 | sandman | RvGaTe: Yay. |
| 08:49.12 | zerodni | make sure to trun back on ndis in /etc/modules |
| 08:49.29 | sandman | RvGaTe: I'm all about being legal. If there's one thing in this world I can't stand, it's pirates. |
| 08:49.39 | davedwards | zerodni: make sure to what? |
| 08:49.42 | sandman | RvGaTe: I figure, if you want something for free, make it yourself, right? |
| 08:49.44 | pstickne | what if they're cute and cuddly? |
| 08:49.56 | zerodni | rember how you comment out ndis in /etc/modules |
| 08:50.01 | davedwards | yeah |
| 08:50.05 | davedwards | oh you mean uncomment that? |
| 08:50.10 | zerodni | yeah |
| 08:50.13 | davedwards | oh ok |
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| 08:50.17 | RvGaTe | sandman, not everyone wants to pay for a 3min piece of music, or make it themself, mostly becouse others do it better |
| 08:50.28 | davedwards | but what if my disc doesn't have the win98 drivers |
| 08:50.29 | Xorm | >_< |
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| 08:50.35 | sandman | RvGaTe: I suppose. |
| 08:50.43 | Xorm | Has anyone noticed the Gnome file browser SUCKS? |
| 08:50.46 | cast | Xorm: ogg123 http://openbsd.mirrors.tds.net/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song36.ogg :) |
| 08:50.51 | zerodni | and make sure that any bcm is not listed when you do a lsmod |
| 08:50.53 | RvGaTe | Xorm, agreed |
| 08:50.56 | sandman | Xorm: No, I actually rather much liked it. |
| 08:50.56 | pstickne | if you don't want to pay for it, don't listen to it, simple enough ... not that I've never done that *rolls eyes* |
| 08:50.59 | Xorm | no wai |
| 08:51.04 | Xorm | like |
| 08:51.05 | sandman | Xorm: Yes wai. |
| 08:51.10 | Xorm | the one you use to Open File |
| 08:51.14 | Xorm | not Nautilus |
| 08:51.19 | RvGaTe | oh.. |
| 08:51.25 | zerodni | also i recomend that you install network-manager |
| 08:51.34 | zerodni | if you havent |
| 08:51.52 | cast | my problem with nautilus [and konq. too] is speed, i like rox best :) |
| 08:52.01 | Xorm | rox? |
| 08:52.10 | davedwards | i think i have the network-manager installed |
| 08:52.13 | Xorm | I dunno, nautilus is slow on my laptop (Fedora) |
| 08:52.17 | cast | aptitude show rox-filer |
| 08:52.17 | Xorm | but not on Debien |
| 08:52.19 | davedwards | and even wireless-tools somewhere |
| 08:52.19 | Xorm | an* |
| 08:52.20 | pstickne | rox was nifty. although it still weighs in pretty heavy. |
| 08:52.23 | Xorm | kk |
| 08:52.31 | pstickne | wait, not rox, I liked thundar. |
| 08:52.31 | davedwards | lsmod shows no bcm |
| 08:52.33 | Xorm | I'm using xfe right now =( |
| 08:52.41 | ^rob^ | anyone use wpasupplicator? |
| 08:52.43 | pstickne | it's like a lighter, cleaner version of nautilus |
| 08:52.57 | cast | i'll have a look at thundar then |
| 08:53.06 | zerodni | did you find the 98 drivers |
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| 08:53.10 | davedwards | and /etc/modules has been updated with ndis |
| 08:53.16 | sandman | ratpoison was neat++, although I think ion was more configurable. |
| 08:53.25 | cast | pstickne: whats the pkg called? |
| 08:53.33 | zerodni | i love ion4 |
| 08:53.33 | davedwards | i don't see any win98 drivers on my win drivers disc |
| 08:53.42 | pstickne | thunar. gar. I can't type/recall. |
| 08:53.49 | johnnyss | Is there an faster init system avalible in Debian that one can use? |
| 08:53.51 | ^rob^ | i use dhcpcd on ra0 module - but first need to auth to ap, then call dhcpcd - can i tell in interfaces - do dhcpcd after wpa auth is ok ?? |
| 08:53.55 | zerodni | name off the .inf files you have |
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| 08:54.12 | zerodni | pm me dont pasted |
| 08:54.13 | cast | thunar |
| 08:54.22 | Xorm | whoope. |
| 08:54.45 | davedwards | only bcmlw5.inf and bcmlw5a.inf as far as i can tell |
| 08:54.48 | Xorm | I get a broken package message. |
| 08:54.57 | Xorm | If I try and apt-get install thunar |
| 08:55.07 | zerodni | their should be one with all caps in the name |
| 08:55.20 | pstickne | Right now all(most) all my packages are from testing. |
| 08:55.31 | pstickne | There used to be libfam conflicts. |
| 08:55.36 | zerodni | apt-get install moo :p |
| 08:55.42 | Xorm | yes. |
| 08:55.48 | davedwards | actually, on the install windows disc there are 48 .inf files |
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| 08:56.00 | zerodni | any with all caps |
| 08:56.05 | ^rob^ | ok - anyone use kde? - Control Center is empty and i find all the settings in lost and found - any clue how to fix this??? |
| 08:56.17 | cydork | !anyone use |
| 08:56.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:56.30 | davedwards | yes several....i'm looking thru them now |
| 08:56.30 | yassaccan | window move up |
| 08:56.34 | Xorm | zerodni, nothing happen =o |
| 08:56.39 | ^rob^ | aha - i get it |
| 08:56.45 | RvGaTe | How can i confince my colleague that a Debian server is best managed either local without a GUI, or SSH.... he seems to be very afraid in using a console for a server, and since i installed it without a gui, he's almost forcing me to install it, but i cant give him the right arguments to let him get used to the console... |
| 08:57.07 | davedwards | only ones look like they are for viruscan and such... |
| 08:57.18 | zerodni | Xorm, sorry its apt-get moo |
| 08:57.22 | Xorm | kthx |
| 08:57.29 | Xorm | w00 |
| 08:57.30 | zerodni | i just type install by habit |
| 08:57.31 | zerodni | lol |
| 08:57.39 | Xorm | Yes, I actually have mooed today |
| 08:57.48 | cast | RvGaTe: the reason one is afraid of the console is that they don't know what they are doing. so maybe he shouldn't be managing it at all.. |
| 08:57.49 | cydork | RvGaTe: tell him about the various X exploits ;) |
| 08:58.13 | pstickne | RvGaTe, ask him what good a GUI would do? |
| 08:58.14 | Xorm | a GUI consumes resources, and a lot of useful server programs are textmode only |
| 08:58.21 | zerodni | cast, windows has just given the command prommt a bad name |
| 08:58.26 | Xorm | programs/tools/utilities |
| 08:58.26 | ^rob^ | RvGaTe: it is normal for someone who use Windows or MacOS to think like that - tell him that X interface is needed for fancy settings - you can do the same thing from console and instead eating 300 Mb for X - better use it wise for web or whatever else data you need |
| 08:58.34 | zerodni | becase console to use is not a command prompt its a shell |
| 08:59.00 | ^rob^ | RvGaTe: install some web tools to config - and he will be happy |
| 08:59.15 | ^rob^ | RvGaTe: like webmin |
| 08:59.20 | cast | RvGaTe: just point out to the billion professional admins who haven't installed x :) |
| 08:59.20 | zerodni | davedwards, you may need to go to the venders site to find 98 drivers |
| 08:59.21 | RvGaTe | ^noooo |
| 08:59.24 | pstickne | Yeah, talk about X exploits and then install webmin ;) |
| 08:59.31 | cast | ^rob^: lmao. |
| 08:59.34 | cydork | !webmin |
| 08:59.34 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 08:59.40 | davedwards | zerodni: k |
| 09:00.01 | davedwards | why do you suppose win98 drivers as opposed to winxp drivers? |
| 09:00.06 | ^rob^ | cydork: ok - then pay for control pannel |
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| 09:00.28 | cydork | ^rob^: or use ssh :) |
| 09:00.49 | zerodni | not sure but it has worked for me in the passed along time ago i hit my head with ndis for a long time and then i tryed the 98 drivers and it worked i was so pissed |
| 09:00.58 | raf256 | streuner: over year, why |
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| 09:01.50 | ^rob^ | cydork: i preffer ssh - but i have some friends who does not know a command to write in unix - but webmin administration made things easy for them. |
| 09:01.50 | davedwards | wow |
| 09:01.51 | ^rob^ | there is also other web admin - i forgot his name - ck sourceforge |
| 09:01.51 | zerodni | but hey davedwards i hate to do this to you but i have to go to work now so good luck i hope you get it |
| 09:01.58 | davedwards | this wireless card is installed internal to my laptop, and there is a led button to activate the wlan also |
| 09:01.59 | ^rob^ | it's name - sorry |
| 09:02.13 | cydork | ^rob^: webmin on exposed server is worse than shooting in your self in foot! |
| 09:02.14 | davedwards | thanks zerodni!!!!! |
| 09:02.15 | cast | really, if you can't use the console, then you sure as hell can't run a secure server, thus you shouldn't be running a server at all imo |
| 09:02.22 | davedwards | you're awesome, thanks for your time and patience! |
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| 09:02.43 | ^rob^ | davedwards: do you use wpasupplicant? or you don't need it? |
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| 09:02.54 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 09:02.57 | cast | [using the term 'secure' loosely :] |
| 09:03.21 | davedwards | ^rob^: i don't know much about wpasupplicant... |
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| 09:03.27 | davedwards | shouldi look into it? |
| 09:03.33 | KomiaPoika | is there a noob friendly guide to setup iptables firewall for local router? |
| 09:03.39 | davedwards | as you may tell, i am a total n00b with linux |
| 09:03.44 | pstickne | iptables-howto |
| 09:03.54 | zerodni | davedwards, not yeat network manager should get you going |
| 09:03.57 | pstickne | maybe routing-howto, etc |
| 09:03.59 | ^rob^ | davedwards: you use that wireless card? |
| 09:04.00 | cast | KomiaPoika: maybe use a frontend of some sort, firehol seems to work alright for me |
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| 09:04.18 | davedwards | k, thanks zerodni |
| 09:04.26 | RvGaTe | cast, cydork, pstickne, ^rob^ : not going to install webmin :puke:, he want's to try stuff out in linux... but he needs the gui for finding files on the system, and a text-editor to edit config files... but if i could get a list of exploits, that would be great since its going to be connected to the internet (3 NICS total)... |
| 09:04.38 | KomiaPoika | cast: no X |
| 09:04.49 | davedwards | ^rob^: i can't use it now because ndiswrapper isn't activating it yet, but i plan to use it when it gets activated |
| 09:04.52 | davedwards | that's my whole goal |
| 09:04.59 | davedwards | i love the wireless card when it works |
| 09:05.11 | ^rob^ | RvGaTe: use mc then (Midnight Commander) |
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| 09:05.22 | RvGaTe | ^rob^, what's that |
| 09:05.33 | RvGaTe | !mc |
| 09:05.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, mc is Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ |
| 09:05.42 | ^rob^ | RvGaTe: sort of old Norton Commander. |
| 09:05.51 | cast | KomiaPoika: yes, firehol doesn't need X. its a front end of the kind where you write rules in firehol syntax, then it translates them into iptables tables [why would you want to do that? because using iptables isn't very pretty looking, especially when ones become accustomed to pf] |
| 09:05.58 | zerodni | RvGaTe, if you want a list of exploits just get on the debian security mailing list and bug tacker |
| 09:06.05 | pmo | how to downgrade latest udev ? |
| 09:06.19 | ^rob^ | pmo: what's wrong with latest udev? |
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| 09:06.36 | pmo | broke ipw2200 firmware download |
| 09:06.54 | ^rob^ | pmo: it's in /etc/Wireless or in /lib/firmware ?? |
| 09:07.14 | pmo | in /usr/lib/firmware.. |
| 09:07.34 | pmo | /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 09:07.39 | davedwards | zerodni: is the network-manager the same as the Network Admin? |
| 09:07.52 | davedwards | i'm still looking for the network-manager, but i did find the net-admin |
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| 09:08.04 | ^rob^ | hmm - i use ralink rt61 driver - the driver looks in /etc/Wireless/RT61STA for firmware |
| 09:08.19 | RvGaTe | cast, cydork, pstickne, ^rob^ : i just copied the IRC chat about the GUI... should be anough i guess |
| 09:08.30 | pmo | rob you mean i should put it in /lib/firmware ? instead of /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, which coudl make senes, but i'd like to be sure :) |
| 09:08.49 | litage | is redhat/fedora's daemon function the same as our start-stop-daemon function? |
| 09:08.59 | rob | don't look at me :P |
| 09:09.00 | pmo | ok rob, gonna give it a try.. |
| 09:09.00 | pstickne | RvGaTe, cross your fingers; people are comfortable with what they know/can use without investing much effort |
| 09:09.16 | ^rob^ | pmo: better look in driver README - ;) |
| 09:09.17 | pmo | rob :) sorrry about that.. sounds you are twins :) |
| 09:09.20 | ^rob^ | just to be shure |
| 09:09.27 | ^rob^ | we-re not |
| 09:09.29 | ^rob^ | ;) |
| 09:09.31 | pmo | :) |
| 09:09.32 | RvGaTe | sandman, seems like i lost the link :( |
| 09:09.43 | ^rob^ | he made the account faster than me with some minutes i guess |
| 09:10.16 | ^rob^ | when i checked - rob account was free - then after i set it - tould me that pass is incorect - so - someone was faster - LOL |
| 09:10.45 | ^rob^ | robin_sz: where are you from ? |
| 09:10.48 | cast | x is just for porn, anyway. |
| 09:10.54 | rob | well, I know the system pretty well, I guess :) |
| 09:11.14 | rob | (it expired) |
| 09:11.36 | ^rob^ | cast: no - if you-re a developer (java, php, qt, whatever) i wonder how the heck would you do fast things without X ??? |
| 09:11.59 | karsten | ^rob^: emacs or screen. |
| 09:12.15 | cast | python/c/latex go fastest for me in vim+screen :> |
| 09:12.20 | karsten | litage: Not entirely. |
| 09:12.24 | ^rob^ | karsten: yeah - and take years to finish a complete project that needs X :) |
| 09:12.40 | karsten | litage: start-stop-daemon has some smarts that RH lacks entirely, and is used _within_ daemon startup scripts. |
| 09:12.46 | ^rob^ | cast - do web development in text mode - |
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| 09:12.50 | pmo | ^rob^, as far as i read, i don't seem to be the only one to complain.. i've seen about 2 messages on google.. with same issue those people downgraded.. but i don't know where to fetch older udev deb file :( |
| 09:12.55 | ^rob^ | even templates :) |
| 09:12.56 | karsten | ^rob^: there are some things that dont' require that... |
| 09:13.23 | karsten | ^rob^: ... and if you're working with sane CSS, you don't need to worry about layout (mind that the CSS development will need graphics support). |
| 09:13.28 | pmo | ^rob^, still ipw2200 firmware download request failed :( |
| 09:13.34 | ^rob^ | karsten: there are things that need it too - so i guess it's lame to complain abou using/notusing X |
| 09:13.48 | litage | karsten: i'm porting a redhat-based init script to debian. should i replace the call to daemon() with /sbin/start-stop-daemon ? |
| 09:14.01 | karsten | ^rob^: Not telling you what _you_ should do. I'm telling what's available, and things I've used myself. |
| 09:14.01 | ^rob^ | pmo: 1 sec - i'll ck too - i had ipw last week - brb |
| 09:14.25 | ^rob^ | (13:10:55) cast: x is just for porn, anyway. <<< |
| 09:14.40 | ^rob^ | karsten: you came into this discution :) |
| 09:14.46 | karsten | ^rob^: Point is, if you're on a system with whatever restrictions, you can get a lot done at console. screen, emacs, framebuffer, twin (a text-mode windowing environment) are all useful. |
| 09:14.51 | karsten | ^rob^: Indeed I did. |
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| 09:15.25 | karsten | litage: If it's not something horribly complicated, I'd start from scratch using /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 09:15.54 | karsten | litage: What's the daemon? |
| 09:16.00 | litage | karsten: for starting asterisk |
| 09:16.05 | diazepam | guys what is the debian equivalent of the /etc/networks file (so that I may assign a network number to an network name) |
| 09:16.08 | ^rob^ | pmo: did you used module-assistant for that module? |
| 09:16.19 | karsten | litage: Um. aptitude install asterisk. |
| 09:16.42 | karsten | diazepam: Um. Can you pastebin /etc/networks? |
| 09:17.05 | ^rob^ | pmo: take a look here http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:17.05 | karsten | !tell diazepam about paster |
| 09:17.05 | litage | karsten: i compile asterisk from source, and this is a custom asterisk init script i need to test out |
| 09:17.14 | diazepam | karsten there is not such file on this machine |
| 09:17.16 | pmo | ^rob^, ok i have a look.. no didn't use module-assistant |
| 09:17.22 | karsten | litage: You can d/l and look at Debian's startup script. |
| 09:17.30 | diazepam | kartstan - is it optional? |
| 09:17.34 | karsten | litage: RH's init scripts tend to be horrifically complicated. |
| 09:17.48 | davedwards | anyone else experienced with ndiswrapper? |
| 09:17.50 | cydork | litage: why do you compile asterisk from source? |
| 09:17.55 | karsten | diazepam: If you're on a RH box, and can paste it, do. |
| 09:18.03 | karsten | !ndiswrapper |
| 09:18.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 09:18.21 | pmo | ^rob^, i am kind of basic as a man.. i did cp ipw* /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 09:18.27 | litage | cydork: because my asterisk servers run debian stable, and asterisk in debian stable is at like v1.0.7 |
| 09:18.31 | karsten | davedwards: If you can avoid using it, do. Otherwise just ask. |
| 09:18.36 | yunhual | can i install debina from ftp server ? |
| 09:18.40 | karsten | !tell litage about backports. |
| 09:18.55 | karsten | yunhual: Read the f*cking install manual. You'd know the answer. |
| 09:18.55 | diazepam | nah im on a debian box but am sitting the LPI exam 102, it keeps talking about the /etc/networks file and I was wondering what the debian equivalent was |
| 09:19.09 | cydork | litage: what about backports? |
| 09:19.18 | cydork | ohh karsten said that already.. |
| 09:19.20 | yunhual | ok |
| 09:19.27 | karsten | diazepam: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:20.01 | ^rob^ | anyone use other init scripts - like runit or something else? |
| 09:20.04 | litage | karsten, cydork: i haven't checked out asterisk on backports yet. is there any particular reason you recommend using a backported asterisk rather than compiling it? |
| 09:20.15 | karsten | yunhual: What you are probably looking for is a network install (netinst). |
| 09:20.17 | diazepam | karsten - okay so *all* network interface information is stored in the one file |
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| 09:20.21 | cydork | litage: yes.. they know what they are doing :P |
| 09:20.25 | davedwards | well all my research on linuxforums with my make and mfgr of my laptop, with the "built-in" internal wireless card tells me that the mfgr does not support its drivers with software, so ndiswrapper is necessary to get it working with linux |
| 09:20.27 | karsten | litage: Makes your downstream life much easier. |
| 09:20.44 | litage | cydork: would you mind going into more detail please? |
| 09:20.48 | ^rob^ | i've tried runit - but all i managed to do is to fk my debian |
| 09:20.49 | ^rob^ | lol |
| 09:20.50 | karsten | litage: At the very least I'd recommend debianizing the source, building your own debian package, and installing that. |
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| 09:21.15 | cydork | karsten: why no simple sid backport then? |
| 09:21.30 | yunhual | i have downloaded a netinst image, but i have no cdrom |
| 09:21.34 | karsten | cydork: That would be my _first_ choice. |
| 09:21.58 | karsten | cydork: backports, debianized source build, alien'd RPM (maybe), source build. In about that order. |
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| 09:22.08 | litage | karsten, cydork: i'm going to look into backporting asterisk to sarge tomorrow. thanks for the tip. gotta be off now. time for all-you-can-eat indian buffet! |
| 09:22.12 | karsten | cydork: ... with very strong deprecation to all items from alien on. |
| 09:22.29 | karsten | yunhual: Well, you can use boot floppies. |
| 09:22.29 | ^rob^ | gtg - bye |
| 09:22.33 | cydork | karsten: naa i will install from source with stow than alien. it's evil :) |
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| 09:23.01 | yunhual | have no floppy..:( |
| 09:23.11 | davedwards | if i have a amd64 debian arch, is that going to affect my selected drivers and how i specify them to ndiswrapper? |
| 09:23.15 | karsten | yunhual: You *really* want to read the installation manual, *or* tell us what you *do* have to boot / run network connectivity on the box. |
| 09:23.15 | yunhual | just have tow machine, |
| 09:23.44 | yunhual | en, thank you karsten |
| 09:23.59 | pmo | ^rob^, firmware loaded before last installation.. i got something broken... once, and then i reinstalled.. since then i have this firmware issue, which i didn't have before, because i usually used hotplug.. but by now.. either hotplug.. and neither gnome or kde, or not hotplug but udev.. but kde and gnome.. so :) |
| 09:24.01 | pstickne | is bootp an option? |
| 09:25.01 | pmo | how do people manage to downgrade.. is there any big debian server... one can rely to, to downgrade some packages.. ? |
| 09:25.42 | sep | !snapshot |
| 09:25.42 | dpkg | it has been said that debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 09:26.20 | davedwards | if i am running debian with kernel 2.6.17 is it worth it to upgrade to 2.6.18.3? |
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| 09:29.27 | pstickne | davedwards, of course. I mean, you're using an OUTDATE, OBSOLETE KERNEL! |
| 09:29.41 | pmo | sep, thank you sep :) cool :) |
| 09:30.54 | cast | davedwards: just run aptitude upgrade and go with the flow :) |
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| 09:31.04 | karsten | pmo: downgrading isn't supported |
| 09:31.36 | cast | [or does apt not upgrade to new kernel releases? hmm, i can't remember] |
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| 09:32.18 | pmo | karsten, maybe a "deb" will be enough.. when i 'll get a hand on that damn package :) |
| 09:32.21 | davedwards | cast: i ran aptitude upgrade, and all i did was remove libmyspell3c2 lol |
| 09:33.21 | litage | karsten: hah actually i don't need to leave for 10 more minutes. so what are the benefits of using debian's asterisk package rather than compiling the original source? |
| 09:33.34 | Firztspawn | pstickne; I hope you were joking, coz goddam that sounded like a Gentoo fanboi comment :\ |
| 09:34.18 | cast | hmm. so guys. aptitude upgrade *does* upgrade the kernel right? |
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| 09:34.40 | fireba11 | cast only security fixes for the same version |
| 09:34.50 | cast | thought so. just never noticed it happen |
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| 09:35.09 | davedwards | i just did uname -r and it shows the 2.6.17.2-amd64 *old* kernel |
| 09:35.40 | davedwards | so there's gotta be more to it than just aptitude upgrade |
| 09:35.53 | cast | 2.6.17-2-k7 here, its fine. any security issues will have been patched as fireba11 says |
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| 09:36.23 | davedwards | oh ok so no recommendation for upgrade at this point |
| 09:36.26 | cast | keep in mind debian stable is still on 2.6.8, unless you need some feature in a newer kernel i'd suggest just sticking to stock |
| 09:37.13 | davedwards | well actually that is what is attracting me to the newest kernel, because i am having no luck getting my wireless card to work so far |
| 09:37.49 | pstickne | Firztspawn, I don't have enough time to worry about compiling everything from scratch for a marginal performance gain and teenage bragging rights :-/ |
| 09:38.28 | davedwards | i have such a *bare-boned* install of debian, i wouldn't risk losing much at all if i were to go with the cutting-edge 'testing' or 'unstable' kernel anyways |
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| 09:38.43 | Firztspawn | good, coz I just ditched it for that (the teenage bragging shit) |
| 09:39.14 | cast | pstickne: speaking of performance gain..i wasn't trolling, but i went into #gentoo and asked about it - since i want benchmarks, still do. smoething scientific. and everyone in the room said "its about configurability, not speed" |
| 09:39.17 | Firztspawn | rtying other distros as possible replacements (not for speed or configurability, more for stability) |
| 09:39.59 | Firztspawn | so far I like the feel of Etch :) |
| 09:40.12 | pstickne | cast, I was stereotyping ... but it's very rare I'll run into a situation where I need to make some obscure configuration. And if I ever do, I can recompile/tweak just that as needed. |
| 09:41.01 | davedwards | if i am trying to connect to my netgear router via my laptop and wireless card....is it best to have my eth2 network interface using Static IP or DHCP IP? |
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| 09:41.34 | cast | davedwards: i like static. makes the port forwarding, if you use it, always work |
| 09:41.48 | Firztspawn | ditto |
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| 09:42.17 | davedwards | cast: yes i do too, but i have had no luck getting my wireless card to work with either DHCP or Static |
| 09:42.55 | davedwards | is there a better chance to get a wireless card working with DHCP first, and then switch its settings to Static afterward? |
| 09:44.15 | pstickne | davedwards, static, if you know the IP info, is usually always a way to reduce problems |
| 09:44.19 | Firztspawn | I would guess static would be easier, you dont have to stuff around with dhcpd and any other stuff |
| 09:44.35 | pstickne | davedwards, (knowing IP info also involves knowing available/used IPs) |
| 09:45.13 | davedwards | pstickne: that might be one problem..i am not *100%* positive of my static IP...i am sure however of the static IP on another computer which shares my access point |
| 09:45.39 | davedwards | and so i usually use the other computers static IP +/- 1 |
| 09:45.49 | davedwards | but none have worked thus far |
| 09:48.00 | Firztspawn | just make sure your netmask matches on all computers (commonly it is 255.255.255.0) and all are part of the same workgroup/domain |
| 09:48.47 | pstickne | davedwards, I like .42, .100, etc if I have a class C. |
| 09:49.12 | Firztspawn | your router may even have to be configured (mine, I had to tell it NOT to be a dhcp server, and use static ips) |
| 09:49.20 | pstickne | most home access points I've seen setup a class C on 192.168.0/1. |
| 09:49.42 | pstickne | Firztspawn, how silly. |
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| 09:49.54 | dusty__ | Hey guys what package does the 'mail' command come with? |
| 09:50.17 | davedwards | hm |
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| 09:50.54 | cydork | !tell dusty__ -about search |
| 09:51.18 | dusty__ | OMG |
| 09:51.40 | dusty__ | cydork, Let me show you the reason why I asked.. |
| 09:51.57 | dusty__ | root@testbawx:~# apt-cache search mail | wc -l |
| 09:51.57 | dusty__ | 1305 |
| 09:51.57 | dusty__ | root@testbawx:~# |
| 09:51.59 | dusty__ | thats why. |
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| 09:52.12 | Firztspawn | wt? |
| 09:52.22 | Guerin | dusty__: fool. |
| 09:52.31 | dusty__ | indeed |
| 09:52.34 | Guerin | dusty__: /msg dpkg search, and don't paste |
| 09:52.35 | Firztspawn | why? |
| 09:52.43 | Firztspawn | it wasnt a paste flood |
| 09:52.48 | dusty__ | exactly. |
| 09:52.54 | Guerin | Firztspawn: there are 600-some people here. WHat if everyone pasted a few lines? |
| 09:52.56 | Firztspawn | if it was it was the slowest one I ever saw :\ |
| 09:53.10 | Guerin | 09:51:57 < dusty__> root@testbawx:~# apt-cache search mail | wc -l |
| 09:53.10 | Guerin | 09:51:57 < dusty__> 1305 |
| 09:53.11 | Firztspawn | he pasted one line lol |
| 09:53.12 | Guerin | 09:51:57 < dusty__> root@testbawx:~# |
| 09:53.16 | pstickne | Firztspawn, automatic protection courtesy of a bot. |
| 09:53.24 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 09:53.26 | Guerin | all came through at the same time |
| 09:53.38 | Firztspawn | I missed the others (must be lagginbg badly ) |
| 09:53.38 | Guerin | then one line after |
| 09:53.45 | cydork | dusty__: mailx, mailutils and check the search factioid for apt-file and p.d.o |
| 09:53.45 | dusty__ | Guys, I just showed you the output of apt-get search mail... 1305 packages none of which are called 'mail' so I don't know which I need... |
| 09:53.48 | Guerin | i think it's 4 lines in 5 seconds gets you the boot |
| 09:54.08 | Guerin | dusty__: so do what I told you. |
| 09:54.12 | dusty__ | ok |
| 09:54.20 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 09:54.50 | Firztspawn | apt-cache search mail | wc -l <<-- whats the wc -l do? |
| 09:54.59 | cy_` | count the lines |
| 09:55.13 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 09:56.17 | Firztspawn | which brings me to a slight issue IM having with debian atm, in Gentoo if I wanted the output to pause, I would use the | less command.. what do I need to get that, or what is the Debian equivalent please? |
| 09:56.40 | pstickne | same. |
| 09:57.01 | pstickne | less is very standard. also more (not really "more" than less). or least. |
| 09:57.05 | Firztspawn | I keep getting no such command, what am I missing? |
| 09:57.08 | sep | !tell Firztspawn about installit |
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| 09:58.20 | KomiaPoika | whats the iptables code to allow only http request out ? |
| 09:58.39 | Firztspawn | hmm, seems this is going to be a whole new learning curve |
| 09:58.55 | sep | Firztspawn, type apt-get install less |
| 09:59.15 | pngwn | Firztspawn, there is an installation manual and a reference at debian.org/doc |
| 09:59.19 | Firztspawn | sep; yeah I did that already lol (blonde here but not a complete retard) |
| 10:00.01 | sep | :) |
| 10:00.01 | Firztspawn | it was just a passig comment (i.e. the world I came from (Gentoo) all these little things .. like less; were already a part of the base package) |
| 10:00.04 | cydork | blondie: you have company :P |
| 10:00.11 | cy_` | does /usr/bin/less work ? |
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| 10:00.30 | cy_` | if so you are missing sometihng in your $PATH var.. |
| 10:00.49 | Firztspawn | yay, I have less :) |
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| 10:01.00 | sep | Firztspawn, more is there by default i think, and no need to keep things in base that is not needed |
| 10:01.08 | Eulex | less is more :) |
| 10:01.15 | sep | Firztspawn, just makes it harder to install on your callphone :) |
| 10:01.46 | Firztspawn | so are things like grep, tail etc etc a part of the base, or do I have to install them as well? |
| 10:02.11 | sep | Eulex, exactly. more is 27K less is a 110K :) |
| 10:02.22 | Eulex | :) |
| 10:02.25 | sep | Firztspawn, those are there, but the easiest way to find out is to try them |
| 10:02.59 | Firztspawn | lol, this is gonna take longer than I thought.... |
| 10:03.04 | Firztspawn | # grep nvidia /etc/X11/make.conf |
| 10:03.04 | Firztspawn | grep: /etc/X11/make.conf: No such file or directory |
| 10:03.10 | Firztspawn | duh |
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| 10:08.36 | karsten | Any ideas for a way to securely pass user/password info to a CLI / scripted web client doing browser-based queries to an authentication-required system? |
| 10:09.08 | karsten | Ideally I'd like something like ssh-agent where a proxy service exists which can receive and respond to requests for authentication, without leaving data permanently on disk. |
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| 10:14.15 | pstickne | https and authentication handled in the client connection to the server? |
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| 10:23.31 | bony | alt-right is not moving my cursor one word left in gnome-terminal i am using debian sid |
| 10:24.21 | bony | i mean ctl-right not alt-right |
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| 10:26.22 | KomiaPoika | how can i setup dns on a local network? |
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| 10:26.41 | davedwards | anyone good with ndiswrapper? |
| 10:26.58 | RvGaTe | How do i know to wich PCI card the eth0 is assigned to? i have 3 NICS, 1 onboard, 2 PCI slots... i want the one onboard to be the internet connection and on eth0, the other 2 going to different networks, but i need to identify them |
| 10:26.59 | davedwards | i am close to getting my wlan working but stuck at a particular pt. |
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| 10:27.11 | boguh | how can i see how much RAM my machine has? |
| 10:27.22 | Firztspawn | reboot ;p |
| 10:27.44 | Firztspawn | BIOS will tell you (unless you have that option turned off) |
| 10:27.54 | RvGaTe | boguh, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 10:27.56 | cahoot | boguh: free |
| 10:28.10 | Firztspawn | that too ;p |
| 10:28.23 | boguh | better than reboot |
| 10:28.24 | boguh | thx |
| 10:28.31 | davedwards | yeah just type free |
| 10:28.34 | davedwards | :D |
| 10:28.43 | RvGaTe | never knew the command "free" :) |
| 10:28.51 | cahoot | boguh: will at least tell how much the system recognizes |
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| 10:29.27 | cahoot | boguh: a look at dmesg might be more informative |
| 10:29.46 | davedwards | if i can see my wlan driver from ndiswrapper -l as 'driver installed' and 'hardware present'.....what else do i need to do to get my wlan card working? |
| 10:30.17 | Eulex | associate yourself with an ap and get an ip from it with dhcp? |
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| 10:30.41 | cydork | davedwards: what does iwconfig say? |
| 10:30.56 | davedwards | i have a wireless router running in the same room, and i know my desktop is using it currently |
| 10:31.07 | davedwards | i am just trying to get my laptop with linux to use the wireless router as well |
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| 10:31.57 | tuv | davedwards, install wireless-tools and make sure you're associated with your routere, then ifconfig stuff |
| 10:32.00 | davedwards | iwconfig says 'no wireless extensions' for lo, eth1, eth2, and sit0 |
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| 10:33.19 | davedwards | tuv: it says i have wireless-tools installed in Debian already...how do i access it? |
| 10:33.36 | cydork | davedwards: lsmod shows ndiswrapper?? |
| 10:33.39 | tuv | davedwards, iwconfig |
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| 10:34.14 | davedwards | cydork: yes lsmod shows ndiswrapper as its first entry on the list |
| 10:34.37 | tuv | davedwards, what's the wireless interface name? does it show in iwconfig or ifconfig? |
| 10:34.39 | davedwards | tuv: iwconfig shows no wireless extensions available |
| 10:34.57 | FreekNL | Hi all. Any clues on why 403 (Permission Denied) errors ocure when I try to access the snapshot server for May this year? (Ref. http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/05/05) |
| 10:35.25 | tuv | davedwards, if the interface does not show in either of iwconfig and ifconfig then it's a driver issue |
| 10:35.42 | davedwards | tuv: well the wireless in ifconfig it shows the wireless harware is the eth2-00 |
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| 10:35.58 | davedwards | it doesn't show in iwconfig, but it does show in ifconfig |
| 10:36.27 | tuv | davedwards, why the -00? did you try iwcofig eth2-00? |
| 10:36.45 | davedwards | it says 'link encap: unspec' |
| 10:37.39 | davedwards | no, actually, 'iwconfig eth2' gives: eth2 no wireless extensions. |
| 10:37.40 | tuv | davedwards, unfortunately i don't know anything about ndiswrapper :/ |
| 10:37.58 | davedwards | that's okay tuv: no worries, i appreciate any input you had :) |
| 10:38.07 | tuv | davedwards, if the wireless interface is eth2-00 then you should do iwconfig eth2-00 |
| 10:38.26 | davedwards | iwconfig eth2-00 gives 'no such device' |
| 10:38.37 | davedwards | and the -00 is actually on the line below the eth2 |
| 10:38.50 | Feax | When I want to install tor, that say me that : "tor: Dépend: libevent1 (>= 1.1a) mais 1.0b-1.1 devra être installé" but when I install libevent1, that say: "0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 1 non mis à jour", how to do ?. |
| 10:38.52 | davedwards | so i'm not sure if it's necessarily associated with the eth2 device |
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| 10:44.26 | tuv | horraayy.. mplayer is in debian :) |
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| 10:45.33 | cydork | tuv: :) |
| 10:46.07 | tuv | any idea if debian's mplayer missing any thing from the mainstream mplayer? |
| 10:47.31 | cast | oh it'll be missing alot. |
| 10:47.47 | cast | there is a reason it took this long to get into debian |
| 10:48.37 | tuv | cast, what exactly is it missing? |
| 10:48.57 | cast | tuv: i don't know, all the semilegal/illegal stuff i imagine :). i'm sure its written down somewhere |
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| 10:53.04 | cast | http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html |
| 10:53.26 | DavidProck1981 | hay i just learnt how to host a http from my pc can someone goto http://71.71.60.194 and tell me if the pictures load |
| 10:54.13 | khaleel | I am on dialup and its very sloooooow tooo, so is there a way I can make synaptic display only packages frmo the 3 dvds of debian ETCH that I have instead of the (entire repo )from the net? |
| 10:54.19 | cast | DavidProck1981: yip. |
| 10:54.44 | cast | DavidProck1981: can't say your upstream rocks but it works. |
| 10:54.50 | khaleel | i had to add my source list to get it for repos on the web for some work and now its DONE ...... |
| 10:54.55 | khaleel | http://rafb.net/paste/results/EwDhVW74.html <---my source list |
| 10:55.10 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean |
| 10:55.23 | Feax | how to know if my external USB HDD is sdc1, sdb1 or usw. ? |
| 10:55.41 | cast | khaleel: well, i'd remove the lines that dont start with deb cdrom, |
| 10:55.44 | DavidProck1981 | so the pic's did show? |
| 10:56.05 | cast | Feax: plug it in, run dmesg and look for it |
| 10:56.17 | cast | DavidProck1981: some levels, i think. thne i closed it |
| 10:56.21 | DavidProck1981 | how long did it take to loaad |
| 10:56.45 | cast | dunno bro |
| 10:56.48 | DavidProck1981 | close what, do what |
| 10:56.52 | Feax | cast: what need I to grep ? |
| 10:57.07 | cast | around 45kilobytes per second anyway |
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| 10:57.22 | khaleel | cast, okiez so remove the lines from my source list -->http://rafb.net/paste/results/EwDhVW74.html without the cdrom so that all I get is http://rafb.net/paste/results/bm9JuK18.html <---- |
| 10:57.42 | cast | khaleel: yip, then run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 10:57.50 | cast | khaleel: then i think it should be sorted |
| 10:58.00 | khaleel | cast, okeiz.......thanks...... |
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| 10:58.13 | LoonaTick | Hi |
| 10:58.21 | cast | Feax: i'm not sure. |
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| 10:58.23 | rumpl | Anyone has IBM thinkpad T23 with DRI working? |
| 10:58.41 | davedwards | wow i really am messing up my connections |
| 10:58.49 | DavidProck1981 | cast when i say some levls what u talking about the map on my side or hte sight it's self |
| 10:59.02 | khaleel | cast, before running apt-get update....is there a way I can SAVE the package information that I downloaded from the repo coz its like 10~mb of info taht It downloaded last night..... |
| 10:59.05 | LoonaTick | On a debian machine, I have a java application with around 600 threads. New Java threads get an exception: Exception in thread '"Listener-284" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space', how do I increase the maximum heap space to processes? |
| 10:59.12 | cast | khaleel: lol. |
| 10:59.34 | khaleel | cast, so If I may (which is very unlikely) need em i can put em back tehre (so it downloads comparatively less material |
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| 10:59.54 | khaleel | cast, yeah its funny but what shoud i do ? it took like 3~4 hrs to get it ! |
| 10:59.58 | cast | khaleel: it, at a guess, mught be all saved in /var/lib/apt/lists$ but i really have no idea |
| 11:00.00 | davedwards | i can't believe how much trouble it is to get a wireless card up and running with linux |
| 11:00.16 | cast | khaleel: its saved in /var somewhere, anyway |
| 11:00.21 | davedwards | i'm sure it's not linux though, i know it's deficiences on my part |
| 11:00.26 | tuv | LoonaTick, -Xmx , consult the manpage |
| 11:00.36 | davedwards | just so many possible variables affecting it |
| 11:01.01 | cast | davedwards: well. no i think it really is hard. i suggest to anyone that if they can just use a cable |
| 11:01.19 | cast | davedwards: saves trying to get drivers working, the network secured, and it runs faster :) |
| 11:01.45 | tuv | davedwards, why are you using ndiswrapper? |
| 11:01.50 | LoonaTick | <-- noob, tuv, thank you :) |
| 11:02.02 | davedwards | true, but i've actually noticed, when i had windows on my laptop that when the wireless had a static IP, it ran faster than the wired connection |
| 11:02.27 | cast | davedwards: i'm skeptical. i think something was broken somewhere then :P |
| 11:02.38 | davedwards | because ndiswrapper is the only utility that i have used that successfully recognizes the wireless card driver |
| 11:02.49 | davedwards | lol cast |
| 11:02.49 | cast | khaleel: /var/lib/apt/list really does look like a good place to start looking... |
| 11:02.51 | tuv | davedwards, what is your wireless chip? |
| 11:03.10 | davedwards | it's a Broadcom 4306 802.11g |
| 11:03.14 | tuv | khaleel, was the long update your first update? |
| 11:03.16 | LoonaTick | tuv: Do you also know what I should do with the -Xms value? |
| 11:03.25 | cast | DavidProck1981: i saw your webpage. with a whole lot of pictures of some level |
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| 11:03.51 | tuv | LoonaTick, i'd set a slightly higher value than the default |
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| 11:04.12 | khaleel | cast, yup they are tehre |
| 11:04.19 | khaleel | tuv, yeah my first update of DEBIAN etch |
| 11:04.46 | tuv | khaleel, the subsequent updates should be much faster, especially if they are frequent enough |
| 11:05.08 | tuv | khaleel, debian does not redownload the whole thing when you update anymore, it just downloads binary diffs |
| 11:05.26 | cast | tuv: well, what he as done is removed web sources from sources.list, but doesn't want to redownload it all when he puts the web sources back in |
| 11:05.46 | khaleel | tuv, i have dialup 10 mb in 3 hrs mean 3 mb per minute.......i am not planning to install any significant amout of package anyways.... so they are there to confuse my package selection |
| 11:05.57 | moshii | tuv: really? is that enabled by default? |
| 11:06.24 | tuv | moshii, yes.. not sure about stable though |
| 11:06.32 | khaleel | tuv, and the prime reason i wanna ''backup '' those package lists is that if i desperately NEED something from internet i may put those files in proper place fo it downloads the binary difference only |
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| 11:07.48 | cast | khaleel: you can always grab .debs yourself, too, btw and use dpkg -i :) |
| 11:08.25 | moshii | tuv: I'm running unstable.. |
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| 11:08.51 | khaleel | cast, hmmmmm thats a very usefull suggestion |
| 11:09.01 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 11:09.20 | DavidProck1981 | CAST i made that map |
| 11:09.25 | moshii | tuv: aren't the diffs just for package lists? It doesn't cover the actual packages? |
| 11:10.02 | cast | moshii: he was refering to the pkg list, i thought |
| 11:10.03 | tuv | moshii, sure.. for the lists only ya |
| 11:10.18 | cast | DavidProck1981: yes, i figured that ;) |
| 11:10.18 | DavidProck1981 | for a map i made for a game goto http://71.71.60.194 |
| 11:10.20 | khaleel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:10.35 | khaleel | tuv, cast already trimmed my sourcelist http://rafb.net/paste/results/bm9JuK18.html |
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| 11:11.08 | khaleel | tuv, cast sorry .........files between line 7 to 16? at --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9R1fGZ24.html |
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| 11:11.19 | DavidProck1981 | t its f*c*i*g sweet |
| 11:11.19 | moshii | tuv: shame it doesn't work on the packages too.. would save my bandwidth quota |
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| 11:12.00 | Blackhold | hello |
| 11:12.02 | moshii | DavidProck1981: I thought you wrote, tits, fucking sweet :/ |
| 11:12.03 | DavidProck1981 | i such at html thow, do u think so |
| 11:12.06 | cast | has a debian mirror, i should say. its not public |
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| 11:12.11 | DavidProck1981 | yaa |
| 11:12.21 | DavidProck1981 | did not want to cuss |
| 11:12.51 | moshii | cast: blueyonder in the uk has a debian mirro but doesn't advertise it anywhere :/ |
| 11:12.55 | DavidProck1981 | dont know all the rules or irc |
| 11:12.59 | DavidProck1981 | of* |
| 11:13.25 | moshii | DavidProck1981: I'm my opinion writing sh*t is just ask bad as writing shit |
| 11:13.35 | Blackhold | my X windows goes very slow, when you try to scroll down a webbrowser, it stays as stopped, the image refreshes very slow, do anyone know why that happens? |
| 11:13.40 | DavidProck1981 | SHIT |
| 11:13.42 | DavidProck1981 | !!!!! |
| 11:13.42 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 11:14.15 | Xorm | ORLY!!!!!!?!!! |
| 11:14.15 | moshii | DavidProck1981: we all know what the intended word is and if you have something against that word mangling it is going to make little difference |
| 11:14.36 | Feax | how can I make TOR faster ? |
| 11:14.39 | DavidProck1981 | later i gtg |
| 11:14.56 | moshii | Feax: as a router or a client? |
| 11:15.01 | DavidProck1981 | do u think u would like that map |
| 11:15.02 | cast | Feax: expand the tor network? not sure you can a great deal as a client |
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| 11:15.18 | DavidProck1981 | tif u like those type games |
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| 11:20.23 | Feax | moshii: client |
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| 11:20.56 | SubStack | freedom is slow |
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| 11:22.47 | cast | freedom being? |
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| 11:23.08 | SubStack | onion routing |
| 11:23.24 | cast | ahh. |
| 11:23.47 | SubStack | go go gadget torbutton |
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| 11:24.21 | tuv | davedwards, bcm43xx kernel module is in debian's kernel (in etch at least). it should support your card, shouldn't it? |
| 11:24.39 | tuv | hmm.. too late |
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| 11:32.10 | cast | hmm. sudden quietness. |
| 11:32.21 | cast | unless i accidently went /ignore * |
| 11:32.53 | RvGaTe | !dhcp |
| 11:32.54 | dpkg | methinks dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 11:33.09 | RvGaTe | +d... :( |
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| 11:33.44 | tuv | cast, unless you can do an /ignore on my behalf, it's not you |
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| 11:34.38 | Daviey | Hi, has anybody here made a usplash file? |
| 11:36.24 | cast | movie time. so kinda here kinda not. |
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| 11:53.37 | Kim^J | It's mke2fs -j for making a ext3 partion right? |
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| 11:55.09 | Eulex | or mkfs.ext3 |
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| 11:55.38 | Nameeater | or mkfs -t ext3 ! |
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| 12:00.03 | trash45 | Hello everybody, i'v got installed squid on a gateway (it work fine) but I don't know how to make port forwarding (with prerouting from the 80 port to te squid port, 3128), i'v tried that but it's incorrect : |
| 12:00.03 | trash45 | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.20.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 12:00.03 | trash45 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:01.52 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -s 192.168.20.0/24 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
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| 12:04.53 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl/fotos/network_setup.jpg what do i need to do make this work? (i cant ping from B to A, so no internet for network B) |
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| 12:06.50 | Bogaurd | can anyone lend a hand with an issue i am having with 'firehol'? |
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| 12:07.13 | RvGaTe | Bogaurd, dont ask to ask just ask |
| 12:07.19 | Bogaurd | haha, ok. |
| 12:07.40 | Bogaurd | well, no matter what rules I write in my firehol script, clients behind the gateway cannot connect to msn... |
| 12:07.58 | Bogaurd | (they can do anything else just fine though) |
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| 12:11.16 | Mondoshawan | hi all |
| 12:11.29 | Daviey | Hi, how could i run a python script directly before 'splashy' (boot splash screen)? |
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| 12:12.26 | Mondoshawan | i have a LIDE 20 Scanner from Canon with ubuntu and xsane it works perfect, but on debian 4.0 rc1 de xsane does not find the scanner. somebody knows this problem? |
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| 12:13.05 | cast | Mondoshawan: run xscane as root and it'll work, not my fault if your computer assplodes though |
| 12:13.14 | cast | xsane* |
| 12:13.54 | Mondoshawan | with root xsane do not find the scanner sane is crashing |
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| 12:14.12 | KG | hey |
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| 12:14.32 | cast | oh :( well. it works fine for me with debian etch as root, is all i can say |
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| 12:15.18 | Mondoshawan | so if i search as root for many minutes he says: "searching device" but nothing happens" thats strange |
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| 12:15.57 | cast | when you plug it in does dmesg list it as being found? |
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| 12:16.53 | dererk[work] | G'Morning/Buenos DÃas :) |
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| 12:18.38 | Mondoshawan | in the dmesg list is there also the name canon? as usb device? |
| 12:18.55 | cast | ill look |
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| 12:19.53 | cast | usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 |
| 12:19.57 | cast | usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 |
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| 12:19.59 | cast | shit, sorry. |
| 12:20.07 | cast | wasn't pasting for some reason the first 2 times |
| 12:20.13 | cast | anyway, that's what i get |
| 12:20.20 | Mondoshawan | usbcore: registered new driver |
| 12:20.43 | Mondoshawan | but i did not find scanner there is printer, mouse and USB HHD but no scanner .... |
| 12:20.45 | Mondoshawan | :( |
| 12:20.54 | cast | :\ |
| 12:21.59 | Mondoshawan | yesterday the scanner worked on win vista and on ubuntu but he does not connect with debian thats strange |
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| 12:22.49 | killerstorm | helo. i've upgraded kernel from 17 to 18, and it stopped working under vmware (old vmw, though). is there some boot option i can tune there? |
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| 12:23.23 | cydork | killerstorm: vmware uses kernel modules. *Hint* |
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| 12:23.40 | cast | vmmon and vmnet :> |
| 12:23.57 | cast | i'd just reinstall. |
| 12:24.29 | Mondoshawan | @cast is there a chance to make manualy a usb scann or what module is checking the usbdevices? |
| 12:24.31 | ravenbird | ...but cast is already something else... |
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| 12:26.56 | killerstorm | sorry, i do not understand.. kernel 17 works very well under vmware. maybe i can disable some new thing in kernel 18, and it will work fine too? i've also found that kernel 18 boots very slow. |
| 12:26.59 | blondie | cydork: insolence |
| 12:27.21 | killerstorm | i'm trying to switch to new kernel because i have app (sbcl) hanging on kernel 17 :( |
| 12:28.04 | cydork | blondie: :) |
| 12:28.05 | Xorm | BAI |
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| 12:32.04 | sanzo-ma | hi, is there within the debian packages a program to efficiently browse large collection of fonts? |
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| 12:33.19 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl/fotos/network_setup.jpg what do i need to do make this work? (i cant ping from B to A, so no internet for network B) i guessed the debian box could easily act as a gateway to accomplish this |
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| 12:37.35 | petemc | RvGaTe: whats the purpose of putting the debian box between (i assume) two switches? |
| 12:38.09 | RvGaTe | petemc, the B network is for broken pc's, that need to be added quick, need to have internet quick, and when done, go back to the client |
| 12:39.16 | RvGaTe | petemc, when adding them into the A network, they get an IP that needs to auth on the proxy, wich doesn't always work |
| 12:40.01 | petemc | then you need to make the debian box route the packets |
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| 12:43.11 | RvGaTe | petemc, how would i do that? ipchains, ipmasq? what am i looking for |
| 12:43.51 | petemc | http://linux-ip.net/html/tools-ip-route.html |
| 12:43.57 | petemc | have a read of that |
| 12:44.22 | petemc | i use iptables with seperate subnets myself |
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| 12:45.42 | petemc | RvGaTe: do you find dhcp works as you expect? |
| 12:46.01 | RvGaTe | petemc, yes, dhcp on both ends works perfectly |
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| 12:46.29 | Mondoshawan | hi me again |
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| 12:47.41 | Mondoshawan | if i make "sane-find-scanner" i got this result: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x220d [CanoScan], chip=LM9832/3) at libusb:003:007 |
| 12:48.25 | Mondoshawan | but xsane says device not found thats strange! Somebody can help me? |
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| 12:52.06 | RvGaTe | petemc, its a bit confusing really :S |
| 12:53.18 | RvGaTe | petemc, when i read the page, i need to do: "ip route add 192.168.1.21/9 via 192.168.1.20" but that doesn't feel right... |
| 12:54.23 | petemc | perhaps ip route add 192.168.1.20/27 via 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:54.37 | petemc | you can try it and if it doesnt work ip route del.. |
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| 12:55.56 | RvGaTe | invalid arguments.... now im really confused |
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| 12:57.18 | perlmonk | iproute.... That's definitly something I miss in freebsd |
| 12:57.25 | perlmonk | ip ro li |
| 12:57.28 | perlmonk | so simple... |
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| 12:57.45 | fernando | hi all 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.6 is broken? it don't starting here |
| 12:58.54 | fernando | ssh =) |
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| 12:59.51 | perlmonk | fernando, dono your version... mine is4.3p2-5.1 |
| 13:00.03 | perlmonk | fernando, are you running debian ? |
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| 13:01.00 | fernando | perlmonk: ssh 3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4, sorry my mistake |
| 13:01.05 | fernando | perlmonk: is a debian sarge |
| 13:01.18 | perlmonk | I doubt it's broken... sarge is stable |
| 13:02.01 | perlmonk | fernando, what happens when you do something like /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 13:02.04 | perlmonk | ? |
| 13:02.49 | stew | fernando: "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" and make sure you have chosen "yes" for "do you want to run the sshd daemon" |
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| 13:03.17 | iLLf8d | gnight all |
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| 13:04.19 | KomiaPoika | i can't find bindconfig on my system or in apts, how do i install it ? |
| 13:04.46 | yunhual | i get an error |
| 13:04.47 | yunhual | /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console :No such file |
| 13:04.49 | yunhual | Kernel panic:Attempted to Kill init! |
| 13:04.59 | yunhual | how can i boot my debian |
| 13:05.15 | perlmonk | fernando, brasileiro ? |
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| 13:06.57 | yunhual | :)debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:07.37 | fernando | perlmonk: it is running 'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/sshd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd --', i don't have SSHD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ssh, and auth.log file return: "fatal daemon() failed: Success" this is all log |
| 13:07.47 | fernando | only sshd it don't up |
| 13:08.15 | fflush | is there a special channel for debian ppc ? |
| 13:08.17 | fernando | stew: =) |
| 13:08.39 | stew | fflush: #debianppc |
| 13:08.44 | yunhual | i got an error |
| 13:08.45 | yunhual | /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console :No such file |
| 13:08.47 | yunhual | Kernel panic:Attempted to Kill init! |
| 13:08.48 | fernando | perlmonk: yes, I'm |
| 13:08.48 | yunhual | who can tell me why ?? |
| 13:09.17 | perlmonk | fernando, Tem um canal brasileiro, #debian-br, eles pode ajudar voce em portuguese |
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| 13:10.30 | fernando | perlmonk: eu sei que meu ingles eh ruim, mas nao precisa humilhar hehehehe :P |
| 13:11.46 | perlmonk | fernando, Eu nao quero humiliar voce, so mostrar para voce a melhor direcao para ter a melhor ajuda possivel |
| 13:14.04 | fernando | perlmonk: eu sei, eu estava brincando contigo, affff |
| 13:14.07 | Ronin | or we can go do the br or es debian channel |
| 13:14.29 | perlmonk | Ronin, I already told him about that |
| 13:14.38 | perlmonk | and he went there |
| 13:16.31 | fernando | I don't know why i can't to have a english help too. =( |
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| 13:17.19 | Ronin | fernando: you can, i never said you couldn't |
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| 13:30.57 | fernando | perlmonk: amavis recreated /dev/null =), recreated with root, permission 666 and sshd return to work |
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| 13:31.06 | fernando | perlmonk: thanks by attention |
| 13:31.41 | mick_linux | anyone here using etch, and get qemu working? i have it installed, and it tried to boot - but it doesn't like the cdrom or something to boot from. what i did: `qemu-img create -f qcow win95.img 2G` then: `qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hda win95.img -m 128 -boot d ` |
| 13:31.57 | perlmonk | fernando, nao tem problema, ate a mais :) |
| 13:32.01 | mick_linux | it says that it can't boot from cd |
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| 13:32.47 | mick_linux | i even tried to `dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/win95.iso` and tried to boot from the iso |
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| 13:37.24 | kryptoz | Hi all |
| 13:37.42 | perlmonk | mick_linux, what can't boot from cd ? |
| 13:38.09 | kryptoz | I got a strange problem .. My keyboard (USB) stopped responding all of a sudden. I reinserted the kbd and tried a new one also. But its not working. I have lotsa document which i need to save. Can anyone please help me |
| 13:39.31 | sep | can you not save using the mouse ? |
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| 13:39.45 | sep | to atlest get out of the immidiate data loss danger |
| 13:41.36 | dooglus | kryptoz: click 'file' then 'save' |
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| 13:43.31 | kryptoz | dooglus: in the terminal ? the vi ? |
| 13:43.47 | kryptoz | dooglus: thanx for your effort to help me... |
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| 13:44.44 | Fercho | is it possible to get snort_inline from apt-get? which source should I add? |
| 13:45.05 | mick_linux | perlmonk: i'm trying to boot from CD (scroll up for the "qemu problem" that i mentioned) |
| 13:45.39 | perlmonk | mick_linux, been disconected |
| 13:45.46 | perlmonk | ah, no |
| 13:45.52 | mick_linux | anyone here using etch, and get qemu working? i have it installed, and it tried to boot - but it doesn't like the cdrom or something to boot from. what i did: `qemu-img create -f qcow win95.img 2G` then: `qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hda win95.img -m 128 -boot d ` |
| 13:46.04 | mick_linux | i even tried to `dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/win95.iso` and tried to boot from the iso |
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| 13:46.10 | mick_linux | perlmonk: ^^ |
| 13:46.20 | perlmonk | hum |
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| 13:51.34 | mick_linux | perlmonk: you running etch? |
| 13:51.58 | perlmonk | yup |
| 13:52.16 | mick_linux | perlmonk: if you have a CD lying around and a sec to apt-get qemu (and see if it works for you) - i'd appreciate it |
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| 13:52.20 | perlmonk | but not qemu at the moment.... from what I remember, your stuff should work fine |
| 13:52.43 | mick_linux | ya, i know - it *should* |
| 13:52.44 | mick_linux | ;) |
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| 13:55.16 | baho | Do I understand correctly that if I want ony the latest packages I have to put just one line into sources.list, such as: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free? Will that be enought? Is that a good idea to do this? |
| 13:55.54 | mick_linux | baho: if you are running sid - sure |
| 13:56.06 | sep | baho, depends on your need, if you intend to help bugtrack packages it's a great idea. if you intent to run a online server safely it's a horrible ideaq |
| 13:56.11 | mick_linux | it adds stuff like proprietary (non-free) drivers and such |
| 13:56.31 | baho | It's a desktop/development machine. |
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| 13:56.45 | notaguest | what gids are reserved/restricted? |
| 13:57.17 | mick_linux | perlmonk: if you do get a chance to try it out, feel free to /msg me - :) I'd like to know if i'm the only one w/ the problem or if it is something w/ qemu (i can't compile it either from cvs) |
| 13:57.22 | cast | 2001 a space odyssey is over. and i don't get it. |
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| 13:57.31 | baho | The thing that confused me a bit was that a friend of mine has a two line sources.list... With first line 'stable', and seccond like the one I sent over. |
| 13:57.37 | mick_linux | cast: haha - watch it again :) |
| 13:57.55 | Ronin | cast: watch it again, many folks dont get it the first time |
| 13:59.44 | notaguest | what group ids or gid are reserved/restricted? I'm trying to create a group id for a kernel security module and I don't want it to conflict |
| 13:59.53 | DerJamster | trying grsec, mh? |
| 13:59.57 | angasule | cast: I can lend you the book, in spanish, maybe it'll be clearer that way |
| 14:00.32 | notaguest | DerJamster: yeah |
| 14:00.50 | DerJamster | notaguest: use some 10xx gids |
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| 14:01.04 | notaguest | aren't 10xx gids used by user groups? |
| 14:01.11 | notaguest | and question, why do user groups even exist? |
| 14:01.22 | DerJamster | yeah. but you can simply pre-create the groups |
| 14:01.29 | DerJamster | they won't get overwritten |
| 14:01.31 | DerJamster | or use 11xx |
| 14:01.32 | notaguest | is there a purpose for user groups? |
| 14:01.38 | angasule | notaguest: they are sexy |
| 14:01.41 | DerJamster | sure. sharing file access/permissions |
| 14:02.03 | notaguest | can a regular user add someone to his group? |
| 14:02.16 | DerJamster | no |
| 14:02.32 | notaguest | then I don't see the point :) |
| 14:02.46 | notaguest | I could see a lot more descriptive group names if you're root and can create your own groups anyway |
| 14:03.02 | cahoot | notaguest: might consider reading up on sudo and such |
| 14:03.37 | DerJamster | notaguest: think about it like this: you want a normal user's file be web accessable, but don't want them to be seen by other users.. |
| 14:03.50 | DerJamster | notaguest: so you add the files to the www-data group, while leaving their owner as the user |
| 14:03.53 | DerJamster | (for example) |
| 14:04.22 | notaguest | yeah, that makes perfect sense, I don't have anything against groups |
| 14:04.34 | notaguest | I'm talking about groups that are named after the user by default.. e.g. group 'bob' |
| 14:04.42 | DerJamster | oh, those |
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| 14:05.01 | notaguest | unless bob can add people to his group without switching to root, I don't see the point |
| 14:05.15 | DerJamster | could always do a script the user can use to do that. |
| 14:05.44 | gcbirzan | Hm. Can anyone get this file: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 14:05.50 | gcbirzan | Erm. No, not that one. |
| 14:05.59 | gcbirzan | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:06.50 | notaguest | what's a group vector? |
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| 14:07.55 | dmesg | hi |
| 14:08.11 | notaguest | hi |
| 14:08.16 | dmesg | any one knows about cron? |
| 14:08.33 | cydork | !ask |
| 14:08.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:08.35 | notaguest | there's a good chance, yeah |
| 14:08.42 | dmesg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.51 | dmesg | i have this onto cron |
| 14:08.59 | dmesg | @include common-auth |
| 14:08.59 | dmesg | auth required pam_env.so |
| 14:08.59 | dmesg | @include common-account |
| 14:09.00 | dmesg | @include common-session |
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| 14:10.19 | dmesg | here it is |
| 14:10.21 | dmesg | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7TK3z775.html |
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| 14:18.31 | pitillo | y |
| 14:18.43 | raf256 | I have an .iso of lets say debian installer. How in debian can I modyfie it to appent extra files (there is space)? |
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| 14:19.31 | x_0r | hey could someone help me out |
| 14:19.36 | x_0r | i cant ssh into my linux box |
| 14:19.40 | x_0r | its running debain |
| 14:20.05 | eSa| | is it possible to export a list of all the installed packages of a debian box? |
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| 14:20.33 | par | x_0r: how can we help you? :) |
| 14:20.51 | par | if you can't, then you can't. that's it. it's over. |
| 14:21.00 | stew | raf256: you can't. iso9660 is readonly |
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| 14:21.30 | angasule | par: I think a sacrifice is in order, a bullet to the CPU should do it |
| 14:21.33 | x_0r | do i need to install ssh? |
| 14:21.55 | stew | x_0r: yes, "apt-get install ssh" or if it is already installed "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" |
| 14:22.13 | cast | eSa|: dpkg --set-selections > list |
| 14:22.23 | raf256 | stew: someone suggested to use loop to mount the foo.img into /foo and then add a dir, but how to preserve things like title, MBR thingy (bootable cd) and so on |
| 14:22.41 | x_0r | YAYAYAYAYAY |
| 14:22.44 | cast | eSa|: eh, i mean dpkg --get-selections |
| 14:22.45 | x_0r | thats working lol |
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| 14:22.52 | x_0r | thanks stephans |
| 14:22.53 | x_0r | stew |
| 14:23.09 | x_0r | uptime isnt found |
| 14:23.10 | par | better help meh! |
| 14:23.12 | x_0r | so what i do? |
| 14:23.19 | par | how to delete triggers history from zabbix!!! |
| 14:23.29 | cydork | zabbix? |
| 14:23.34 | x_0r | wrong command sorry lol |
| 14:23.34 | petemc | raf256: you can use mkisofs to recreate the cd after loopmounting, copying, and modifying |
| 14:23.51 | par | yeah, zabbix... monitoring software.. |
| 14:24.01 | raf256 | petemc: and I have to by hand use like -b and set title and so on? |
| 14:24.03 | eSa| | cast, nice command :) I want it to use to replicate an install of packages on a new box |
| 14:24.24 | stew | eSa|: /msg dpkg selections |
| 14:24.27 | petemc | raf256: there are guides for doing this |
| 14:24.29 | cast | raf256: http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=remastering that might help, grml is debian based |
| 14:24.34 | petemc | !custom netinst |
| 14:24.35 | dpkg | hmm... custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 14:25.30 | cast | raf256: you'll have to skip 30% of that, though, but itll still take you throgh the process |
| 14:26.13 | eSa| | nice shot by dpkg :) |
| 14:27.31 | eSa| | is there also a way to retrieve current config of installed packages ? |
| 14:28.22 | x_0r | another question |
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| 14:28.36 | x_0r | i need give everyone write access to /var/www how do i? |
| 14:29.10 | par | x_0r: chmod 777 /var/www -R |
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| 14:29.19 | stew | x_0r: you don't want to give everyone write access. make a group that contains the users that you want to have write access, change /var/www to be group owned by that group |
| 14:29.23 | stew | par: NO |
| 14:29.24 | pepecito | hi, i was deleting some files so sunddaly i deleted /home from some user how can i recover those files |
| 14:29.34 | x_0r | stew its jist me whos got access though lol |
| 14:29.44 | x_0r | im behind a router so it stops a lot of shit :P |
| 14:29.57 | stew | x_0r: then change the ownership of /var/www to yourself |
| 14:30.10 | x_0r | but i have 4 different accounts |
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| 14:30.15 | unimauro | holas |
| 14:30.25 | x_0r | webmaster, x0r untouchable and root lol |
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| 14:30.47 | stew | x_0r: add all four accounts to a group, make the group own /var/www and make it 775, /msg dpkg Permissions |
| 14:30.58 | stew | x_0r: and then you might consider adding g+s |
| 14:31.30 | x_0r | maybe if i feel like securing a non-router pc but dude my routers stops everything so i dont need to do that shit |
| 14:31.36 | x_0r | im the only one with access to the box |
| 14:32.03 | Phated | That's what you -think-. Someday you won't be. |
| 14:32.31 | x_0r | to search for a file for apt-get its apt-cache search right? |
| 14:32.41 | Phated | Yes. |
| 14:32.43 | madclicker | hi, does anyone know why famd sometimes locks up the system on etch? |
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| 14:33.29 | stew | x_0r: if your router stops web requests, then why bother with a web server? |
| 14:33.45 | stew | x_0r: no, apt-file ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 14:34.00 | x_0r | stew it doesnt stop web requests it stops access to the nix box from another computer outside of my router |
| 14:34.15 | x_0r | apt-cache search worked |
| 14:34.23 | x_0r | stew learn shit before you comment |
| 14:34.25 | x_0r | kthx |
| 14:34.43 | stew | x_0r: what shit do you suggest i learn? |
| 14:34.51 | gcbirzan | x_0r: To search for a file, you need apt-file. |
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| 14:34.57 | Phated | stew: Leave him to his delusions that having a router around means his box is safe. |
| 14:35.05 | x_0r | gcbirzan the command i used worked fine |
| 14:35.23 | stew | x_0r: so the webserver doesn't serve web requests to users outside the router? |
| 14:35.26 | gcbirzan | x_0r: However, you searched in the packages' names and descriptions. |
| 14:35.52 | Phated | x_0r: Because you meant "package" when you said "file". If someone wanted to search apt to find a particular -file- within a package, for example, if you wanted to find libso.0.1 or whatever, you'd use apt-file. |
| 14:36.01 | x_0r | Phated you dont fucking understand me, i know how to secure my box and router but i have a firewall pc running as a router and nothing gets by it |
| 14:36.17 | gcbirzan | Phated: "You weren't there, man!" |
| 14:36.23 | Phated | gcbirzan: Lower expectations of users using the right terms ;) |
| 14:36.29 | Phated | gcbirzan: Heh. |
| 14:36.40 | Phated | x_0r: Everyone thinks that *patpat* |
| 14:36.46 | stew | x_0r: there is little chance you are going to get us to believe that you don't know how to change the permissions of /var/www without asking but you know how to secure your box |
| 14:37.17 | par | stew lol ^^ |
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| 14:37.33 | Phated | stew: He's a leet sec man, duuuude... we don't mess with -perms-, we just make everything like, tight, man, nothing gets by us. |
| 14:37.44 | Phated | *drip* |
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| 14:38.05 | cast | everyone knows you can't break into anything through a web server |
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| 14:38.15 | Phated | heh. |
| 14:38.37 | kryptoz | Hey all what is the init level without the x in debian ? |
| 14:38.42 | gcbirzan | And that a router is the best way to secure your network. |
| 14:39.26 | gcbirzan | kryptoz: There isn't such a thing, afaik. You can configure them to your liking. |
| 14:40.22 | kryptoz | so how do i configure my deb to start without x ? |
| 14:40.23 | kryptoz | :( |
| 14:40.40 | gcbirzan | Remove /etc/rc2.d/S*{x,k,g}dm |
| 14:40.46 | radical_ | kryptoz: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm or xdm |
| 14:40.56 | radical_ | kryptoz: will work just fine |
| 14:41.03 | kryptoz | thanx radical_ |
| 14:41.07 | kryptoz | will try that |
| 14:41.29 | radical_ | kryptoz: and there IS a symlink to that script in some init levels |
| 14:42.16 | Phated | apt-get remove (x|k|g)dm ;) |
| 14:42.16 | gcbirzan | cydork: Who knows... :-P |
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| 14:42.57 | cydork | gcbirzan: :) |
| 14:42.59 | radical_ | chmod -x works just fine and in no way breaks the package system or stuff |
| 14:43.48 | petterw | but you get warnings on boot |
| 14:44.29 | Phated | Ehm, removing the package for the display manager doesn't cause anything to be -broken-, either. |
| 14:44.54 | Phated | And if you're not going to start your machine in graphical mode, you'd presumably use startx later, so why would you need a gdm? |
| 14:45.03 | Phated | Er, s/gd/d/ |
| 14:45.11 | radical_ | it did it again! sylpheed did it again, just as i run out of diskspace in my home directory it redownloads all emails as soon as space is available. i hate it when that happens |
| 14:45.51 | Phated | Can't you configure it -not- to redownload all emails in the "dudde, if I delete it, I WANT IT GONE" manner? |
| 14:46.12 | Phated | (Then again, I tried sylpheed for about two minutes and went "eurgh, gross", apt-get remove --purge) :) |
| 14:46.45 | radical_ | i dont delete them from the server |
| 14:47.02 | radical_ | since i have 3 computers using one email account |
| 14:47.17 | Phated | Aaaah. |
| 14:47.23 | radical_ | yaaaah |
| 14:48.00 | radical_ | but i just affects mails in the main inbox, not the target inboxen where i filter some mails to |
| 14:55.20 | E-bola | any1 here knows the slimserver program? |
| 14:55.30 | E-bola | can get the debian package to play anything |
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| 14:56.26 | ofer1 | kryptoz, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 14:56.32 | ofer1 | this is the debian way |
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| 15:02.43 | jindal | hullo guys, do wget works for ftp urls behind a squid proxy (have set ftp_proxy env variable) but its getting stuck at Logging in as anonymous ..) ? |
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| 15:03.24 | jindal | (http urls are working fine .. and am able to fetch ftp urls by telneting directly into proxy) |
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| 15:07.15 | gkahla | where do I find a list of available packages for apt-get? |
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| 15:08.43 | gkahla | i'm trying to compile some code and it can't find jpeglib.h... |
| 15:09.03 | petemc | gkahla: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:09.33 | gkahla | thanks, petemc |
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| 15:11.44 | RvGaTe | i'm having big troubles over here on getting a dhcp request to work... my boss gave me an "internet" cable that i could use for a server, so i plugg it in... and set it on dhcp... now it does see a dhcp server, but it isn't getting an ip or whatsoever... but when i plug the cable in a windows machine, it all works perfectly... i mean,... wtf can that be? |
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| 15:12.43 | petterw | RvGaTe: try dhclient |
| 15:12.49 | gkahla | RvGaTe, could the nic have a static IP on the windows box? |
| 15:13.10 | RvGaTe | gkahla, i triple checked, its all set on dhcp |
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| 15:14.00 | gkahla | RvGaTe, is the nic on the linux box 'ipconfig up'd? |
| 15:14.08 | RvGaTe | gkahla, yes |
| 15:14.10 | gkahla | *ifconfig |
| 15:14.59 | shogunx | RvGaTe, you could try assigning a static on thesame subnet to the host |
| 15:15.17 | gkahla | then, it's probably something to do with dhclient |
| 15:16.08 | RvGaTe | petterw, doing dhclient eth2 now, it only gives me discovers... no offers |
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| 15:16.55 | RvGaTe | shogunx, i tried copying the ip settings from the windows machine and put it on eth2... with no luck |
| 15:17.08 | petterw | hmm... can you look at what the server recieves, if anything? |
| 15:17.22 | Fercho | is there any source to get SNORT_INLINE with apt-get |
| 15:17.47 | shogunx | RvGaTe, thats likely because that ip is already tied to a mac address that already has a lease. try a diff address on the same block that is unused. |
| 15:18.20 | gkahla | how long is the lease from this DHCP server? |
| 15:18.47 | petterw | tried checking the lights on the switch & NIC? :) |
| 15:19.05 | shogunx | also, verify that eth2 is actually the address you need! |
| 15:19.06 | RvGaTe | petterw, lights are working |
| 15:19.11 | shogunx | err interface that is. |
| 15:19.17 | RvGaTe | shogunx, checked that |
| 15:19.29 | RvGaTe | shogunx, becouse eth0 and eth1 are already in use |
| 15:19.34 | shogunx | ok. |
| 15:19.47 | shogunx | RvGaTe, are these private or public addresses? |
| 15:20.09 | RvGaTe | FFS, never mind... i think i got it |
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| 15:20.46 | RvGaTe | shogunx, i guess the eth0 and eth1 and eth2 got mixed up |
| 15:21.01 | shogunx | RvGaTe, that happens sometimes. |
| 15:21.03 | RvGaTe | becouse eth1 gets a clear dhcpoffer, with the same range |
| 15:21.08 | gkahla | petemc, the code compiles once I installed libjpeg62-dev - thanks for the info on apt-cache! |
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| 15:24.10 | necrite | hi all |
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| 15:24.43 | gkahla | wassap necrite ? |
| 15:25.31 | necrite | i have to make one vpn with 2 dynamic ips.. with my others vpn i use racoon and ipsec.. but i need static ips.. anyone knows ? |
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| 15:26.01 | fishman4 | hello all |
| 15:26.21 | fishman4 | who know when the Debian Etch will release as stable? |
| 15:26.30 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 15:26.30 | dpkg | methinks wwsr is It is released: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 15:26.41 | dvs | huh? that's old |
| 15:26.54 | cydork | !wwer |
| 15:26.54 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 15:26.55 | dvs | !wer |
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| 15:28.16 | gkahla | necrite, is this going to be a permanent connection? |
| 15:28.44 | necrite | gkahla: mmm my home and my work's :) |
| 15:29.46 | gkahla | if you get someone @ work to email you the IP of the target machine, you've got one side nailed down... however, that's not appropriate for a permanent connection |
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| 15:30.49 | necrite | gkahla: i use dyndns to know the ips.. but. ip change every dat |
| 15:30.54 | necrite | day* |
| 15:31.24 | gkahla | necrite, hence the email... |
| 15:31.31 | gkahla | RvGaTe, congrats |
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| 15:32.15 | gkahla | sorry i don't have any better ideas about this, necrite |
| 15:32.24 | gkahla | bye now |
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| 15:35.49 | mcnaft | !linux-image one-liner |
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| 15:36.09 | petemc | RvGaTe: how did you get it going in the end? |
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| 15:36.25 | mcnaft | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:36.25 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 15:36.29 | RvGaTe | petemc, let me create a new image |
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| 15:36.46 | sphenxes | i use tar command to back up my files. tar czvf /dir/*.tgz / results 1 GB. when I use find / -mtime -30 -print | xargs tar czvf /dir/*.tgz / result in a file 1.8 GB. How can the find command let the tar file to increase by 80%? what is wrong with my find command? |
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| 15:39.44 | RvGaTe | petemc, http://pc.rvgate.nl/fotos/network_setup.jpg this is what its going to be in the end |
| 15:40.10 | RvGaTe | petemc, i reverted the policy of sbs 2003 to default, leaving access only for domain members.... |
| 15:40.58 | petemc | RvGaTe: all good, you can tell dhcpd3 which interfaces to listen on in /etc/default/ |
| 15:41.00 | RvGaTe | petemc, now the debian box has 3 NICS, make sure i can work with it (im in the domain), 1 to make sure people from network B have internet over the remaining nic |
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| 15:43.40 | RvGaTe | petemc, yup, but strangely anough dhcpd gives me: "No subnet declaration for eth2", but its set in /etc/network/interfaces; on "iface eth2 inet static" netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 15:43.49 | marikbane | hello |
| 15:44.10 | marikbane | I need a dc++ client for linux |
| 15:44.12 | marikbane | ? |
| 15:45.18 | par | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378 |
| 15:45.33 | mcnaft | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=3064& |
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| 15:50.25 | Xteven | hi, is there a way with make-kpkg, to build a kernel-source package that is actually usable with 3rd party modules ? |
| 15:50.50 | Xteven | for example, I would like to compile the ipt_ipp2p module using a kernel-source package I created |
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| 15:51.11 | Xteven | but make complains that the config can't be found (kernelconfig), and some scripts to create modules |
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| 15:54.25 | gebruiker | how do I take a screenshot of tty? |
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| 15:56.09 | omar | Hello I upgrade amarok and now I can't listen anything |
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| 16:00.27 | Ronin | cant make up your mind prophet_wut ? |
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| 16:06.05 | dooglus | if I "declare -r" in bash, it makes a variable readonly. is there any way to undo that and make it writeable again? |
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| 16:10.41 | dererk | Hi, I really need a hand arround with some bad things I done |
| 16:10.51 | dererk | I accidentally upgrade libc6 |
| 16:11.10 | dererk | and now I need it to be downgraded, but when it's doing that |
| 16:11.13 | cydork | !libc6 |
| 16:11.13 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 16:11.26 | dererk | it tries to del some files that own other package |
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| 16:11.48 | tonyb2006 | is libc6 v 2.4 here? |
| 16:11.50 | tonyb2006 | in etch |
| 16:12.06 | tonyb2006 | because some programs I use complain |
| 16:12.14 | tarzeau | which? |
| 16:12.18 | tonyb2006 | uh |
| 16:12.30 | tonyb2006 | stuff 'borrowed' from ubuntu edgy repos for beryl |
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| 16:12.59 | dererk | does someone know how to force that, even though there are some file being used by other package ? |
| 16:13.25 | dererk | please :( |
| 16:13.45 | cydork | dererk: did you read teh factoid? |
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| 16:14.24 | dererk | cydork: I did, but the "do not try to" means "ok, find another work" for me |
| 16:14.32 | dererk | so I better take the risk |
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| 16:15.00 | tarzeau | tonyb2006: but that's not a debian problem, is it? |
| 16:15.06 | tarzeau | tonyb2006: which "stuff"? |
| 16:15.12 | tonyb2006 | h/o |
| 16:15.17 | tonyb2006 | and i'm on debian etch |
| 16:15.23 | cydork | dererk: what did you upgrade to any way? sid? |
| 16:15.35 | tonyb2006 | tarzeau: beryl |
| 16:15.38 | dererk | cydork: no, etch |
| 16:15.59 | tonyb2006 | /usr/bin/beryl: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/bin/beryl) |
| 16:16.02 | Kim^J | Hi all! |
| 16:16.15 | cydork | dererk: then just dist upgrade and wait for it go stable?? :P |
| 16:16.26 | dererk | ... |
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| 16:20.12 | Phated | How do you -accidentally- upgrade libc6 on a _production_ machine, anyway? If you really can, the chances are that yes, you -should- find another job... :| |
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| 16:24.56 | dererk | no one? :( |
| 16:25.36 | dererk | have a nice day |
| 16:26.10 | mick_linux | Phated: good point - an accidental upgrade once got someone that i know fired |
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| 16:26.44 | ^rob^ | re |
| 16:27.16 | Phated | mick_linux: Well, surely it's -difficult- to "accidentally upgrade" something? Accidentally typo a config file, -maybe-, and I've done it a couple of times, but to get a new libc6 in means like "apt-get dist-upgrade" or something, and -how- would you do that -accidentally-? |
| 16:27.29 | ^rob^ | anyone know how to set wireless ra0 to ask for dhcp after wpa_supplicant is authenticated? |
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| 16:28.35 | mcnaft | why do I get "cp: will not overwrite just-created `./.bashrc' with `/root/.bashrc'" when I type "cp ~/.bashrc . && cp /root/.bashrc ./.bashrc_root"? doesn't cp like &&? |
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| 16:29.18 | mick_linux | Phated: comment out the wrongt line in sources.list ;) |
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| 16:29.48 | Phated | mick_linux: ... which is why I always use plenty of whitespace in -that- file ;) |
| 16:30.05 | Phated | And, like, -read- the output of "apt-get dist-upgrade" before hitting Y ;) |
| 16:30.16 | mick_linux | heh |
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| 16:31.19 | summatusmentis | I just started getting the error "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1" suggestions? |
| 16:31.28 | dvs | !etch key |
| 16:31.29 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A99951DAF9BB569BDB50AD90A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 16:31.53 | dvs | That should be in the /topic |
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| 16:32.20 | gcbirzan | It is in the topic. |
| 16:32.24 | mRk` | i did it so for the key |
| 16:32.28 | mRk` | but nothing change |
| 16:33.39 | summatusmentis | wow, why did that work, and "gpggpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -" didn't? |
| 16:33.48 | summatusmentis | -gpg x1 |
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| 16:36.05 | Phated | ... because... you're meant to apt-key add that key, with a key ID of 6070D3A1 and not 1F41B907...? |
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| 16:36.26 | Phated | :) |
| 16:37.03 | gcbirzan | Yeah, usually it helps if you use the correct key. |
| 16:37.24 | Ronin | heh |
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| 16:38.21 | Phated | Eh, apt-listbugs ;) |
| 16:38.25 | SeanTater | Xorg has been fluctuating between 5% and 40% of my CPU every ~15 seconds for several weeks now. I've turned of each of my GUI programs (other than ones like kicker and kdesktop), and it has not changed.. Any suggestions? |
| 16:38.50 | gcbirzan | Phated: Yes, but this one just beeps when a new bug is posted. :-P |
| 16:38.57 | SeanTater | 'I've turned of/I've turned off/ |
| 16:39.16 | summatusmentis | Phated, wow...of course... |
| 16:39.24 | summatusmentis | I was sitting here thinking "what's going on?" |
| 16:39.46 | Phated | BEEEP |
| 16:39.48 | Phated | New bug! |
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| 16:41.20 | SeanTater | BEEP BEEP BE-BEE-BEEP BEE-BEEP - 35 new bugs |
| 16:42.04 | dvs | o_O |
| 16:42.21 | Phated | May not have thought that one out too well, gcbirzan ;) |
| 16:43.03 | Zambezi | How far from stable is testing? In weeks then. |
| 16:43.10 | gcbirzan | export bug=400040; while true; do dog http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=$bug > /tmp/bug; if ! grep -q "There is no record" /tmp/bug; then beep -e /dev/tty0; ((bug++)); echo $bug; fi; done |
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| 16:43.19 | gcbirzan | Erm. Put a sleep in ther. :-P |
| 16:43.49 | Phated | Heheheheh. |
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| 16:48.21 | gcbirzan | beep... beep, beep |
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| 16:48.54 | dvs | swat the bugs! |
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| 16:49.42 | gcbirzan | I'm just trying to pass time, until I can go for a beer, heh. |
| 16:50.03 | Ronin | gcbirzan: its always beer o'clock, why not go now? :) |
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| 16:50.28 | L4ger | What package do I need, for JAVA in Firefox? |
| 16:50.58 | gcbirzan | L4ger: sun-java5-plugin |
| 16:51.17 | gcbirzan | Ronin: Because a friend wants to show me a cool bar, and I've got to wait for her to finish work. :-P |
| 16:51.17 | L4ger | gcbirzan: Thats all? |
| 16:51.28 | gcbirzan | Wandering around the streets aimlessly isn't a good plan. :-P |
| 16:51.35 | gcbirzan | L4ger: And iceweasel. :-P |
| 16:51.58 | L4ger | gcbirzan: Is my system getting slow of that? |
| 16:52.12 | cydork | gcbirzan: get drunk now and you'll save on cost of drinks in bar :P |
| 16:52.43 | Ronin | gcbirzan: so? doesnt mean you cant have a pint while waiting |
| 16:53.30 | gcbirzan | L4ger: Ugh. Parse error? |
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| 17:03.32 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 17:03.33 | dpkg | <sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable |
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| 17:06.38 | Red_Cloud | Happy Thanksgiving! |
| 17:07.12 | utab | hi there, I would like to connect to a windows desktop from my debian box, but how |
| 17:08.12 | DoppelGanger | magic |
| 17:08.14 | DoppelGanger | beans |
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| 17:09.43 | secher | utab: Define "connect to"? |
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| 17:10.33 | bill21aek | hi |
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| 17:11.01 | utab | secher, you are right, there is a program which runs only on windows what I would like to do is to be able to use that from home. |
| 17:11.38 | sudeval | why before i install the sun-java1.4 in chroot and i write java -version, show this message |
| 17:11.41 | sudeval | benjamim:/# java -version |
| 17:11.41 | sudeval | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack location |
| 17:11.41 | sudeval | # |
| 17:11.41 | sudeval | # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine: |
| 17:11.41 | sudeval | # |
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| 17:12.22 | cydork | utab: rdesktop? |
| 17:12.26 | SeanTater | X is really pushing the limit on "CPU Hog" -- and it does not appear to be because of a program, it's doing it on it's own, and my computer is beginning to come to a standstill |
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| 17:12.28 | sanity_assass1 | hello debian community |
| 17:12.35 | SeanTater | Any suggestions? |
| 17:12.35 | derjohn | i made a lvm2 volgrp setup on top of md. now I want to hotadd a disk to md which was broken. but with Logvol mounted, I dont see the /dev/md any longer (debain sid ...) ... A bug in Debian? Or workd as designed? |
| 17:12.46 | utab | cydork, remote windows desktop |
| 17:12.47 | sudeval | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack location |
| 17:12.58 | sudeval | # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine |
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| 17:13.06 | sanity_assass1 | my sid has lost ability to use PERL...:-( |
| 17:13.09 | sudeval | # Internal Error (4F533F4C494E55583F491418160E4350500387), pid=17306, tid=1075198624 |
| 17:13.16 | sudeval | why? |
| 17:13.19 | bill21aek | hi |
| 17:13.22 | utab | sudeval, do not paste on the channel |
| 17:13.33 | sudeval | utab, ok |
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| 17:13.37 | cydork | !tell sudeval -about paster |
| 17:13.51 | utab | thx cydork |
| 17:13.57 | secher | Umm.. afaik, that's virtually impossible. You'd be doing one of two things, either running a virtual windows instance locally and accessing the remote windows computer drive as c: or running some sort of server on the windows desktop that will export that desktop to your Deb box. |
| 17:14.04 | sanity_assass1 | all is here is somebody has idea --> http://www.peertv.fr/smf/index.php?topic=244.0 |
| 17:14.52 | sudeval | utab, this problem ocorrer before install the java-sun1.4 |
| 17:14.57 | secher | utab: something like PCanywhere for Linux, which does not exist as far as I have seen. |
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| 17:15.14 | utab | secher, I thought of doing that by wmWare but I am not sure if it worths spending time on it because my work is close that I can go and work there |
| 17:15.20 | sudeval | utab, do you help me? |
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| 17:15.29 | blondie | utab: install rdesktop. |
| 17:15.40 | addled | hi, im trying to install something with apt and its hanging on 'waiting for headers'. anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 17:15.43 | blondie | utab: assuming your windows version is XP Pro or 2k3 or server 2000 |
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| 17:16.04 | utab | sudeval, ask to everbody, if someone knows will do his/her best to help :) |
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| 17:16.31 | utab | blondie, XP pro I guess not sure though |
| 17:16.49 | sudeval | sorry |
| 17:16.58 | blondie | well xp pro has remote desktop which you can connect to from debian using rdesktop |
| 17:17.08 | utab | sudeval, nop = no problem :-) |
| 17:17.27 | utab | blondie, that is good news then |
| 17:17.40 | utab | blondie, have you ever used that |
| 17:17.46 | blondie | yes |
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| 17:18.26 | utab | blondie, one more to go, does it take to much time to set it up running or straight forward |
| 17:18.56 | blondie | you have to enable it on windows by right-clicking my computer, properties, remote and ticking a box |
| 17:19.08 | blondie | and you have to make sure you can connect to the right port from the internet |
| 17:19.29 | craigevil | there is even a GUI for rdesktop> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xdrdesktop |
| 17:19.49 | stoned | good morning |
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| 17:20.20 | stoned | rdesktop is better than vnc |
| 17:20.29 | dvs | stoned: get back to work! ;-) |
| 17:20.57 | stoned | much faster and responsive, I played a video over the network on vnc, choppy, I played a dvd fullscreen with rdesktop, almost no stutter |
| 17:21.07 | stoned | dvs, happy thanksgiving fool |
| 17:21.13 | stoned | dvs, I'm off today |
| 17:21.33 | dvs | stoned: that was over a month ago... for us. |
| 17:21.40 | blondie | thanksgiving doesn't exist |
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| 17:22.39 | stoned | I would like to give thanks to dondelelcaro, stew, peterS, abrotman, petemc, and of course everyone else behind the scenes, and I want to give thanks to #Debian/Debian GNU/Linux |
| 17:23.05 | stoned | Time for a few bowls, and then some turkey, and then back to making packages |
| 17:23.06 | stoned | heh |
| 17:23.18 | dvs | bowls? |
| 17:23.24 | stoned | weed |
| 17:23.25 | zasz | bawls? |
| 17:23.33 | dvs | red bowls? |
| 17:23.44 | stoned | the bowl of a pipe, you pack it in with *tobacco* |
| 17:23.51 | stoned | wink wink |
| 17:24.13 | stoned | anyway, who all is cooking turkey!? |
| 17:24.13 | Ronin | hence his nick :) |
| 17:24.29 | stoned | dvs, good man |
| 17:24.37 | dvs | Ronin: I though he was being punished. ;-) |
| 17:24.57 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:24.59 | petemc | dvs: you just snort lines or shoot up? |
| 17:25.00 | itchi | I have a mount point mounted by shfs. It have work fine but now i can no more access the mount, nor unmount it. Is there an way to force to unmount? |
| 17:25.09 | stoned | petemc, whats up man |
| 17:25.13 | dvs | peterme: nope, just drink |
| 17:25.15 | petemc | nada |
| 17:25.21 | petemc | stoned: hows dell? |
| 17:25.26 | stoned | petemc, its hell |
| 17:25.27 | stoned | :) |
| 17:25.29 | petemc | :) |
| 17:25.45 | stoned | work is work, I won a 1000$ bonus at work yesterday |
| 17:25.53 | petemc | that would keep the wolf from the door |
| 17:25.55 | stoned | went out to the club last night, bought a few new outfits at the mall |
| 17:26.26 | dvs | I'll be at the mall tomorrow :-> |
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| 17:27.02 | stoned | this really beautiful indian girl grabs my arm and pulls me to the dance floor, it was fun |
| 17:27.16 | AciD | hi |
| 17:27.18 | stoned | hi |
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| 17:28.11 | minerale | Greetings, I have a service named tspc that establishes a ipv6 tunnel |
| 17:28.32 | minerale | from time to time the service goes down, how can I set it up so that it always stays up ? |
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| 17:29.06 | blondie | dark ' |
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| 17:29.23 | minerale | Is there a pre-implemented method that makes sure services stay up? or would I have to write my own shell script that checks if the process is running every now and then and then tries to restart it when it's dead |
| 17:29.31 | AciD | I would like to type chinese (simplified) character, what package do I need to install ? http://people.debian.org/~ygh/en/html/noframes/ tells to install the package task-chinese-s, but it does not exist |
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| 17:29.54 | cydork | minerale: check monit! |
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| 17:31.09 | stoned | minerale, sounds to me like a simple comparison, to see if the process is running or not, and if not, then launch it, all in a shell script, and add that to your cron |
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| 17:32.02 | gcbirzan | 400059, and off to beer I go. :-) |
| 17:32.11 | stoned | minerale, I don't know of such a package |
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| 17:33.28 | dooglus | !info monit |
| 17:33.34 | dpkg | monit: (A utility for monitoring and managing daemons or similar programs), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:4.8.1-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
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| 17:35.30 | DevilChaos | hi folkd how do i eneable acpi either within the kernel or whole system as it was deactivated for install of my laptop and id like to see if it will work also how to deactivate if it doesnt work please? |
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| 17:35.42 | DevilChaos | damn f******** typos |
| 17:36.32 | DevilChaos | i586 debian unstable 2.6.17 kernel |
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| 17:36.54 | secher | Ok, at the risk of massive derision, I'm about to ask for guidance. At http://pastebin.ca/256000 is an excerpt of a conversation I've been having with the lead developer of Midgard-CMS. I am asking #debian what I need to read to learn how to do what's needed. |
| 17:37.47 | dvs | DevilChaos: if you're using a debian kernel it should already be loaded. Try typing "lspci | grep acpi" and see if it shows up. |
| 17:38.07 | DevilChaos | ok |
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| 17:38.58 | hasdlkjsald | chmod g=+r * <- isnt that to change to "read" for group? |
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| 17:39.14 | DevilChaos | curser return |
| 17:39.52 | DevilChaos | nothing just get command prompt? |
| 17:40.19 | dvs | DevilChaos: modprobe acpi |
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| 17:40.35 | DevilChaos | same again |
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| 17:40.51 | dvs | DevilChaos: now do "lspci | grep acpi" |
| 17:41.04 | DevilChaos | same again |
| 17:41.15 | secher | DevilChaos: lsmod | grep acpi |
| 17:41.25 | dvs | secher: thanks |
| 17:41.30 | secher | lsmod | grep acpi |
| 17:41.33 | secher | rather. |
| 17:41.40 | secher | dvs: <grin> do it all of the time. |
| 17:42.13 | deconvolution | hello, i am using rsync to sync two directories. My option is --stats --compress --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh --recursive --times --perms --links --delete . However, there still are some files failed to be copied. Which option is used to force copy everything from the source directory? |
| 17:42.14 | secher | dvs: someone once told me to cd to user, and I did cd /user |
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| 17:42.29 | DevilChaos | dvs: i get acpi-cpufreq, freq-table, processor |
| 17:42.45 | DevilChaos | with some numbers |
| 17:42.49 | dvs | secher: Yeah, I've had days like that too |
| 17:42.59 | dvs | DevilChaos: as long as it's in the left hand column |
| 17:43.11 | DevilChaos | what ? |
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| 17:43.31 | DevilChaos | is in the left aorry i is slow most of the time not just the day |
| 17:43.31 | dvs | DevilChaos: as long as "acpi" is in the left hand column for one of those lines |
| 17:44.03 | DevilChaos | just acpi? |
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| 17:44.07 | dvs | yes |
| 17:44.13 | DevilChaos | ill print the three lines i get |
| 17:44.36 | DevilChaos | acpui_cpufreq 7108 0 |
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| 17:45.02 | DevilChaos | freq_table 4576 1 acpi_cpufreq |
| 17:45.28 | DevilChaos | processor 28840 1 acpi_cpu_freq |
| 17:45.34 | DevilChaos | and that it |
| 17:45.45 | DevilChaos | sorry my typing is shit |
| 17:45.48 | DevilChaos | :( |
| 17:47.13 | techwhore | anyone here knows if you may use pam_keyring to store your ssh passwords in the keyring ? |
| 17:47.14 | Gnurdux | you guys need to fix the Iceweasel about page |
| 17:48.07 | dvs | DevilChaos: grep -i acpi /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:48.15 | DevilChaos | so does that mean i dont have the acpi activated? |
| 17:48.20 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 17:48.23 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 17:49.04 | hasdlkjsald | MAIL IN MX 10 <ip> <- is that syntax wrong? |
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| 17:50.12 | jelly | hasdlkjsald: yes. |
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| 17:50.33 | jelly | hasdlkjsald: MX should point to an A record, not an ip addr. |
| 17:51.08 | DevilChaos | ok i get a whole dose of scroll with answers to diff acpi mods some say y and some say m what is m? |
| 17:51.09 | jelly | hasdlkjsald: I guess it's not a syntax but a semantic error. ;-) |
| 17:52.00 | dvs | DevilChaos: if none say "N" then it's in the kernel. |
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| 17:52.21 | jelly | hasdlkjsald: so "mail IN MX 10 blah.example.com." is ok, but "mail IN MX 10 212.91.0.44" is not |
| 17:52.30 | DevilChaos | proc_sleep acpi_ debug and another is not set |
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| 17:52.50 | dvs | DevilChaos: grep CONFIG_ACPI= /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:52.54 | dvs | that's the important one |
| 17:53.06 | DevilChaos | it doesnt ask me for anything it just says after each one =y or =m |
| 17:53.20 | DevilChaos | yup ill try that again |
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| 17:53.59 | jelly | dvs, DevilChaos: I think "processor" is an acpi module... if you didn't have acpi support it wouldn't have loaded. |
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| 17:54.46 | DevilChaos | command not found and /boot/config-: no such file or dir |
| 17:55.03 | dvs | DevilChaos: you typed something wrong |
| 17:55.52 | DevilChaos | ok i did grep -i /boot/config-$(2.6.18-2-686) |
| 17:56.06 | DevilChaos | and without the brackets |
| 17:56.07 | jelly | DevilChaos: don't put $( ) then. |
| 17:56.11 | jelly | oh |
| 17:56.16 | dvs | DevilChaos: and without the $? |
| 17:56.33 | DevilChaos | syntax erro |
| 17:56.36 | DevilChaos | error |
| 17:56.37 | dvs | DevilChaos: that's wrong |
| 17:56.48 | DevilChaos | oh wait |
| 17:56.51 | dvs | DevilChaos: grep CONFIG_ACPI= /boot/config-2.6.18-2-686 |
| 17:57.10 | nicu_marasoiu | hi; using debootstrap does not require starting up a new partition, but i can also reuse an existing one and the existing data will not be affected by installing debian on it right? |
| 17:57.28 | DevilChaos | ah i get the same scroll as that other command now |
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| 17:58.04 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 17:59.09 | DevilChaos | ok its doing something not returned the command prompt yet |
| 17:59.42 | DevilChaos | heh something |
| 18:00.40 | DevilChaos | av been at linux for more than five years and i cant do this shit by myself yet that sucks bigtime can do alot other stuff though |
| 18:01.30 | DevilChaos | should it return to prompt whaen finished the last command you gave me? |
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| 18:02.29 | unfo | hi all, in Oo.o Impress i wish I could set the Slide Show feature to ignore all custom animation and slide transition effects. |
| 18:02.30 | DevilChaos | learning things the hard way though :) |
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| 18:02.43 | unfo | should I send my feature request to the BTS or to upstream? |
| 18:03.00 | DevilChaos | dvs:? |
| 18:03.02 | mordof | alright, so being an ubuntu person, i've heard debian is better, or one of the best distros to get even... however, seeing as ubuntu lacks some features i need, i'd like to make sure debian can handle them.... will debian be able to run both my cores as well as my wireless? (ubuntu could only do one or the other with different kernels) |
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| 18:03.25 | dvs | DevilChaos: No, it should print "CONFIG_ACPI=???" Where ??? is y, n or m. |
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| 18:03.37 | DevilChaos | debian ruls it rocks it kick the ass off all others and is not a bad distro its my favourite |
| 18:03.41 | unfo | mordof: that's a hard question. |
| 18:03.48 | mordof | DevilChaos, that doesn't help me :P |
| 18:03.51 | unfo | mordof: why not just rebuild your own kernel? you'll save time. |
| 18:03.55 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 18:04.06 | mordof | unfo, i'm too new for that - and have never found somebody willing to help me out |
| 18:04.12 | DevilChaos | its not just good its f****** good |
| 18:04.19 | unfo | mordof: people on irc or at LUGs can help. |
| 18:04.20 | unfo | !lug |
| 18:04.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, lug is a Linux User Group. They are superb for getting free, in-person help for Linux installation and other issues. There is one in every large city, and some in smaller places too. Use Google to search for: London Linux User Group or New York Linux User Group or some such. Or, ask your local college's Computer Science department if there is a computer club or Linux club. Or ask us. |
| 18:04.24 | gravity | Buildling your own kernel used to be part of standard newbie procedure |
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| 18:04.34 | unfo | gravity: in 1995 :P |
| 18:04.40 | mordof | lol |
| 18:04.44 | cydork | mordof: which wifi card? |
| 18:04.45 | gravity | Not that long ago |
| 18:04.45 | dvs | gravity: it should be a prerequisite! ;-) |
| 18:05.00 | unfo | dvs: may i offer you a shiny new gentoo cd? :) |
| 18:05.02 | wellos | d |
| 18:05.13 | mordof | cydork, i'm on an acer aspire 5610, it's an intel chipset... i can get you the exact name hold on |
| 18:05.20 | dvs | unfo: just the kernel, not the packages. ;-) |
| 18:05.26 | DevilChaos | dvs: i dont get any scroll at all from that last command its just sitting there |
| 18:05.35 | mordof | cydork, Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Net |
| 18:05.41 | apacheuser | I just apt-get installed php but it's not executing it on my page www.rionono.com it's just sending the source file |
| 18:05.44 | DevilChaos | ive ctrl + c 'ed it |
| 18:06.00 | gravity | I should try building my own kernel. I haven't ever built a 2.6 series |
| 18:06.04 | unfo | dvs: :-) i dont see the point of compiling one's own kernel. You save, what, 1MB of RAM? And you lose free automatic security updates. |
| 18:06.04 | dvs | DevilChaos: you should get something and the prompt should return |
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| 18:06.23 | wellos | Hi, ive got an POSTFIX server running and an imap-server so the users can watch their mail -- what imap-server shall i use? |
| 18:06.24 | DevilChaos | nut been like that for 5 or more mins now |
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| 18:06.36 | unfo | apacheuser: did you look for help in the docs or on the web first? :-) |
| 18:06.40 | dvs | unfo: you also gained the blobs that are in the raw kernel that Debian took out. |
| 18:06.42 | DevilChaos | so i cancelled it |
| 18:06.44 | setog3 | how can I know the version number of a package in experimental .. |
| 18:06.46 | unfo | dvs: true |
| 18:07.01 | unfo | setog3: rmadison PACKAGENAME |
| 18:07.06 | setog3 | I think about something like : apt-cache show -t experimental package |
| 18:07.32 | cydork | mordof: it work out of the box for sure, you have to get the source from http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:07.35 | apacheuser | unfo: yep, couldn't find anything |
| 18:07.46 | cydork | s/work/wont work/ :P |
| 18:08.02 | gravity | wellos: I don't have any firsthand experience with it, but dovecot is very popular |
| 18:08.05 | unfo | apacheuser: i forgot how i did it, you probably need apache2, lib apache2 mod php, and php |
| 18:08.24 | unfo | apacheuser: IIRC you also have to tweak your apache config. |
| 18:08.28 | setog3 | unfo: thx !!! |
| 18:08.41 | unfo | setog3: did it work? |
| 18:08.49 | setog3 | unfo: yes |
| 18:08.51 | DevilChaos | dvs : will i have changed a few things would a reboot be apropriat? |
| 18:09.00 | DevilChaos | with an e |
| 18:09.02 | unfo | setog3: cool, youre welcome. |
| 18:09.02 | dvs | DevilChaos: no |
| 18:09.28 | mordof | cydork, i'm not concerned with out of the box... with ubuntu i tried getting new drivers, hacks, kernels, etc... all i'm concerned with is, is it possible to get it working?? |
| 18:09.28 | dvs | DevilChaos: you must have typed it wrong because it should return exactly one line and the prompt should come back. |
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| 18:09.47 | DevilChaos | with capitals ? |
| 18:09.58 | nicu_marasoiu | debootstrap does not erase existing data right? only installs debian and in the end that partition is also debian-bootable right? |
| 18:10.01 | DevilChaos | give me the command again please? |
| 18:10.12 | dvs | DevilChaos: grep CONFIG_ACPI= /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:10.17 | dvs | DevilChaos: exactly like that |
| 18:10.23 | cydork | mordof: it should work.. with that and firmware-ipw3945 from non-free i guess, if it doesn't come here ;) |
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| 18:10.45 | unfo | !tell apacheuser about php |
| 18:11.19 | mordof | cydork, non-free? i have to pay for it? |
| 18:11.40 | unfo | mordof: nonfree means non-Open Source |
| 18:11.45 | unfo | its still freeware. |
| 18:11.46 | DevilChaos | ive done that exactly as printed and i still get a blinking curser underneith |
| 18:11.53 | mordof | unfo, ah, np then |
| 18:11.58 | cydork | mordof: :) |
| 18:12.02 | unfo | mordof: ubuntu uses a simpler(?) term, "multiverse". |
| 18:12.09 | mordof | OH! |
| 18:12.11 | mordof | gotcha |
| 18:12.22 | apacheuser | unfo: that doesn't help? |
| 18:12.23 | DevilChaos | debian rules supreme |
| 18:12.24 | dvs | DevilChaos: no, that's not what I get. |
| 18:12.25 | unfo | DevilChaos: you can use the PageUp key to see what was written before :) |
| 18:12.29 | mordof | yeah i know exactly what you mean now :) |
| 18:12.29 | unfo | apacheuser: it doesnt? |
| 18:12.40 | dvs | DevilChaos: Those are 3 words, not 2 |
| 18:12.41 | unfo | all : should i ever file feature requests in the BTS, or only upstream? |
| 18:12.44 | enouf | DevilChaos: insert a blank space between = and / |
| 18:13.08 | x_link | enouf: Do you know any site where I can download some books ? |
| 18:13.20 | DevilChaos | ha ha config_acpi=y |
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| 18:13.26 | enouf | x_link: ermm .. there;'s amazon.com |
| 18:13.52 | unfo | x_link: books about what? |
| 18:13.52 | x_link | enouf: For free? |
| 18:13.53 | khaleel | is tehre like how to install nvidia drivers step by step on debian etch for very dummies ? |
| 18:13.58 | x_link | unfo: Linux. |
| 18:14.03 | x_link | Sorry I didn't say that. |
| 18:14.13 | enouf | x_link: if you want documentation about Debian .. there's gazillions one the internet freely available |
| 18:14.17 | unfo | x_link: http://wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_Unix_commands |
| 18:14.19 | khaleel | I have tried suse 9.2 , pclinux 0.93 , pclinux0.92 slackware 11 (and in all 4 of them I ahd a bad experience of nvidida drivers (did not install properly ) even after reading properly the HOW-TOs so just wanna be on safe side before i try |
| 18:14.26 | unfo | x_link: "Running Linux" by O'Reilly |
| 18:14.27 | x_link | I don't get my gtk-gnutella to work. |
| 18:14.28 | unfo | !books |
| 18:14.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, books is http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 18:14.29 | enouf | x_link: visit tldp.org too |
| 18:14.39 | x_link | Thanks guys =) |
| 18:15.08 | x_link | enouf: I was supposed to go and get a monitor today, Dell 21" Trinitron. |
| 18:15.28 | x_link | I just got home and I just called the guy, "I think it's a bit to late now, we can do it on Saturday" |
| 18:15.30 | enouf | x_link: sounds nice ... |
| 18:15.31 | x_link | hehe |
| 18:15.34 | x_link | It's 19)18 |
| 18:15.38 | unfo | x_link: most O'Reilly books are good. !oreilly |
| 18:15.39 | x_link | 19:18 |
| 18:15.40 | unfo | !safary |
| 18:15.42 | unfo | !safari |
| 18:15.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, safari is a website where you can read almost all O'Reilly books online. Your local university library may provide free access to all visitors. Or get the free trial. http://safari.oreilly.com |
| 18:15.44 | x_link | ok |
| 18:16.13 | unfo | x_link: i use amule for edonkey sharing |
| 18:16.22 | enouf | x_link: some Debian developers also publish nice really detailed books |
| 18:16.28 | x_link | Okey |
| 18:16.41 | x_link | The library in here have some books as well. |
| 18:16.47 | unfo | khaleel: i heard ubuntu ships with nvidia right on the cd-rom. |
| 18:16.52 | x_link | They have a buss that drives around so that people can borrow books. |
| 18:17.01 | unfo | bus? where? |
| 18:17.04 | x_link | It will come here tomorrow. So I will borrow the same Linux books I once did before. |
| 18:17.08 | DevilChaos | dvs: what now? |
| 18:17.39 | x_link | unfo: That library has a bus that drives around in this town so that people don't have to go that far to borrow books. |
| 18:17.42 | dvs | DevilChaos: you have ACPI because it's built into your kernel |
| 18:17.51 | unfo | !used is you can buy used Linux books for as low as $1 plus shipping at www.abebooks.com or www.amazon.${com,ca,fr,etc.} |
| 18:17.52 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 18:18.01 | khaleel | unfo, and can I use debain Etch packages with ubuntu? |
| 18:18.04 | DevilChaos | exellent so it should take efect on next reboot then? |
| 18:18.16 | khaleel | unfo, basically me a very slow dialup user so get the picture :D |
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| 18:18.18 | x_link | I will tell them to bring the books next time, they will not have the Linux books with them |
| 18:18.20 | dvs | DevilChaos: It's already in effect. |
| 18:18.23 | enouf | x_link: for basic pc hardware (besides en.wikipedia.org which is loaded with info .. for ex; search PCI) .. may I recommend upgradingandrepairingpcs.com (Que publishing) .. the online articles are pretty detailed and real explanatory as well as the book(s) |
| 18:18.27 | unfo | khaleel: most debian etch packages are avail in ubuntu. |
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| 18:18.34 | DevilChaos | cool |
| 18:18.36 | unfo | khaleel: get a ubuntu cd or buy the dvd. |
| 18:18.46 | DevilChaos | thank you very much much |
| 18:18.49 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 18:18.57 | DevilChaos | much appreciated |
| 18:19.01 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 18:19.20 | x_link | wow |
| 18:19.24 | x_link | Thanks guys, now I got alot of cds |
| 18:19.26 | khaleel | unfo, basically i jsut got a 3 dvd set of debian etch ......i have ubuntu cds.....if they are interchangeable then I may consider other wise nope (i spent like all my saved pocket mony to get debian etch :D ) |
| 18:19.30 | x_link | You guys are awesome. |
| 18:19.31 | x_link | brb |
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| 18:20.33 | unfo | apacheuser: any luck? |
| 18:20.58 | unfo | LAMP in 15 minutes or less! |
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| 18:21.39 | gravity | unfo: Get on it |
| 18:21.41 | unfo | s/Instant// |
| 18:21.44 | unfo | gravity: on what? |
| 18:21.52 | gravity | unfo: Getting it in to debian |
| 18:21.58 | pet | p |
| 18:21.58 | pet | pp |
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| 18:22.04 | unfo | gravity: nah, I can just sit here an plug ubuntu :) |
| 18:22.15 | Ronin | ya that wouldn't be a good idea unfo |
| 18:22.17 | gravity | unfo: You do realize that this is a debian channel for Debian support |
| 18:22.30 | gravity | unfo: If you want to keep plugging ubuntu, take it elsewhere |
| 18:22.34 | unfo | gravity: yes, but on irc many ppl can push the rules and get away w/ it. |
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| 18:22.45 | gravity | unfo: This is me telling you to stop it. |
| 18:22.47 | unfo | k |
| 18:22.48 | enouf | x_link: for ex .. Free videos about hardware http://www.quepublishing.com/promotions/promotion.asp?promo=3033&rl=1 |
| 18:23.03 | tonyb2006 | lpr: Error - no default destination available. |
| 18:23.07 | tonyb2006 | with cupsys-bsd |
| 18:23.23 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 18:23.23 | dpkg | from memory, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
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| 18:23.37 | tonyb2006 | valdyn: cups works fine |
| 18:23.44 | valdyn | tonyb2006: so? |
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| 18:23.57 | tonyb2006 | lpr w/ cupsys-bsd doesn't |
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| 18:24.00 | marek | hey |
| 18:24.08 | tonyb2006 | !cups |
| 18:24.09 | dpkg | from memory, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 18:24.11 | valdyn | tonyb2006: because you have no default printer |
| 18:24.16 | marek | i just did aptitude install gnome and i want to know how to run gnome |
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| 18:24.37 | unfo | marek: aptitude install gdm && /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 18:24.46 | valdyn | marek: it's run automagically if you use gdm or xdm |
| 18:24.47 | tonyb2006 | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:25.08 | marek | valdyn, unfo right now it automatically runs xfce4 because i had that one first |
| 18:25.23 | unfo | marek: so change the Session Type from the gdm menu |
| 18:25.25 | valdyn | marek: 'it' is what? gdm? |
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| 18:25.50 | unfo | all : does package 'gnome' not recommend or suggest 'gdm'? |
| 18:25.59 | valdyn | unfo: no |
| 18:26.02 | unfo | why not? |
| 18:26.10 | valdyn | unfo: why should it? |
| 18:26.14 | marek | valdyn, i dont usually use that, i just type in 'startxfce4' from tty1 |
| 18:26.15 | unfo | to assist newbies |
| 18:26.16 | tonyb2006 | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:26.34 | unfo | tonyb2006: what about it? |
| 18:26.46 | tonyb2006 | just sayin it |
| 18:26.58 | marek | okay i'll go and try that |
| 18:27.00 | valdyn | marek: you can start gnome like that: 'startx /usr/bin/gnome-session' |
| 18:27.01 | marek | brb |
| 18:27.11 | marek | ohhh okay thanks :] |
| 18:27.15 | withaY | i'm trying to install sarge and it keeps failing at installing grub |
| 18:27.18 | x_link | enouf: Okey, Thanks |
| 18:27.24 | x_link | I will take a look at those sites now. |
| 18:27.53 | withaY | looking in the target's dev, i don't see hd0 |
| 18:28.04 | withaY | any tips on what to do? |
| 18:28.05 | valdyn | withaY: that's expected |
| 18:28.24 | valdyn | withaY: start by telling us the error |
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| 18:28.34 | enouf | x_link: note .. those videos are in wmv format (so mplayer or vlc may be necessary .. or an xmms plugin) .. but the book ($$) comes with it's own DVD and is new(er) than those videos for free |
| 18:28.46 | withaY | "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. |
| 18:29.02 | x_link | Oke |
| 18:29.04 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:29.13 | enouf | x_link: but reading the available online articles is free |
| 18:29.17 | x_link | enouf: I have Movie Player |
| 18:29.21 | x_link | Is ther VLC for Linux? |
| 18:29.26 | tonyb2006 | yes |
| 18:29.28 | x_link | ok |
| 18:29.30 | tonyb2006 | mplayer > * |
| 18:29.31 | x_link | apt-get install vlc |
| 18:29.43 | enouf | x_link: Movie player? whas that? |
| 18:29.50 | valdyn | totem should be fine "Movie Player" is probably totem, you really need w32codecs |
| 18:30.05 | x_link | enouf: I have Movie Player in K Menu --> Multimedia --> Movie Player |
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| 18:30.19 | x_link | enouf: You don't have it? |
| 18:30.19 | valdyn | uh, sounsd like a KDE equivalent |
| 18:30.25 | enouf | valdyn: x_link .. oh .. never seen nor heard of it :-) |
| 18:30.26 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:30.31 | x_link | =) |
| 18:30.33 | enouf | x_link: never looked :-) |
| 18:30.36 | x_link | ok |
| 18:30.38 | x_link | It works fine for me. |
| 18:30.43 | x_link | ahh |
| 18:30.48 | x_link | Question |
| 18:30.55 | valdyn | x_link: w32codec + any movie player supporting those codecs = plays any movie |
| 18:31.05 | x_link | When I used Windows XP I had to download codecs to watch DVDRIp, .avi etc. |
| 18:31.05 | enouf | x_link: nope .. not there .. but that's ok .. I know now what it is |
| 18:31.12 | x_link | That is not needed in Linux, right? |
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| 18:31.29 | x_link | enouf: Okey, I have mine in Multimedia. |
| 18:31.31 | valdyn | x_link: its needed, but debian packages make this easy |
| 18:31.40 | jelly | x_link: some codecs have free alternatives, some don't. |
| 18:31.47 | enouf | x_link: listen to valdyn and the others |
| 18:32.17 | x_link | Okey |
| 18:32.22 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 18:32.23 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:32.32 | valdyn | x_link: w32codecs is there ^^^ |
| 18:32.38 | x_link | Cause the thing is that I haven't downloaded any and I still can watch all kind of movies with Movie Player |
| 18:32.41 | x_link | ok |
| 18:33.21 | valdyn | x_link: debian automagicallly installs plenty free codecs when you install a movie player, just not w32codecs, wich is just windows DLL files |
| 18:33.52 | x_link | ok |
| 18:34.02 | x_link | I haven't installed movie player, it was there when I installed DEbian Testing. |
| 18:34.07 | valdyn | x |
| 18:34.27 | valdyn | x_link: you installed kde, that already gets a movie player |
| 18:34.32 | x_link | Ahaa. ok. |
| 18:34.35 | x_link | Hehe... |
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| 18:35.23 | enouf | x_link: right click Movie Player in the multimedia menu >> choose Edit item >> view what's in the Command box .. that's the app |
| 18:36.05 | enouf | x_link: I doubt the binary is called /usr/bin/movie_player .. haha .. but who knows |
| 18:36.29 | x_link | enouf: Totem |
| 18:36.36 | x_link | Totem %U |
| 18:36.53 | enouf | x_link: .. there ya go .. as valdyn earlier suggested |
| 18:36.59 | x_link | Yeah.. |
| 18:37.04 | x_link | I missed that part... |
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| 18:37.16 | x_link | I really feel more comfortable with Debian now. |
| 18:37.19 | enouf | thanks x_link .. you just helped a Debian GNU/Linux user .. congrats :-) |
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| 18:37.47 | x_link | enouf: Did I help somebody ? |
| 18:37.50 | x_link | heheheh |
| 18:37.53 | x_link | I REALLY don't think so. |
| 18:37.55 | enouf | x_link: yes .. Me :-) |
| 18:38.00 | x_link | hrmm ? |
| 18:38.04 | x_link | What did I help you with ? =) |
| 18:38.15 | x_link | I actually helped a guy yesterday... WITH LINUX ! |
| 18:38.16 | enouf | I didn't knwo which actually the name of the App |
| 18:38.24 | x_link | ahh |
| 18:38.25 | x_link | lol |
| 18:38.27 | enouf | x_link: +1 then :-0 |
| 18:38.31 | x_link | You're welcome |
| 18:38.50 | x_link | I'm hungry as hell. |
| 18:38.56 | unfo | x_link: go eat. |
| 18:39.03 | enouf | Happy Thanksgiving (or just Birdday) x_link |
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| 18:39.15 | x_link | hehe |
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| 18:39.42 | enouf | is getting ready to leave to eat and give thanks |
| 18:39.47 | x_link | unfo: Lol, there was a ##Cooking channel. |
| 18:39.47 | withaY | my d-i syslog says this about grub-installer: "grub-installer: error: Running 'grub-install --recheck --no-floppy "(hd0)"' failed." |
| 18:40.02 | x_link | enouf: Will you be back after food ? |
| 18:40.09 | enouf | thanks valdyn too |
| 18:40.15 | nvz | O.O |
| 18:40.18 | enouf | x_link: likely much later |
| 18:40.19 | nvz | this isnt even funny |
| 18:40.24 | withaY | any tips on what i can do? |
| 18:40.31 | unfo | withaY: open a shell and type: |
| 18:40.31 | enouf | nvz: hola ... |
| 18:40.32 | nvz | my home dir vanished |
| 18:40.36 | x_link | enouf: Okey. |
| 18:40.39 | FerchoLP2 | if I have iptables 1.3.5 but I need 1.3.1. Can I just do apt-get install iptables-1.3.1 ? |
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| 18:40.45 | enouf | nvz: Oh tHe Noez! |
| 18:40.47 | komposter | hello! can you say-exist dc ++ client, wich can connect with http proxy? |
| 18:40.49 | unfo | withaY: grub-install --recheck --no-floppy "(hd0)" |
| 18:40.50 | FerchoLP2 | should I uninstall 1.3.5 first? |
| 18:41.11 | withaY | do i have to do it chroot'ed? |
| 18:41.16 | Nigromante | why do you need that FerchoLP2 |
| 18:41.17 | amphi | FerchoLP2: why do you need an older version of iptables? |
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| 18:41.49 | nvz | well when I came up here I brought one pc but both hard drives and I had my home from one mounted inside my home from the other.. well actually I had root mounted inside home as there was no seperate home partition |
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| 18:42.15 | nvz | now the drive is still like 103G and mounted and everything except my homedir is showing up |
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| 18:42.47 | enouf | nvz: sounds like you inadvertantly did an xlink to it .. haha |
| 18:42.49 | nvz | it was just there yesturday afternoon.. no reboots, no commands issued |
| 18:43.02 | nvz | I went to work, then to sleep |
| 18:43.18 | withaY | unfo: after probing to guess BIOS drives, i get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 18:43.21 | nvz | now I dont know wtf happened there is nothing in /home/nvz/Sarge/home/ |
| 18:43.29 | blondie | SLEEP CHILD |
| 18:43.32 | enouf | nvz: I think he was nintentionally remounting his /home/username under /mnt/username too .. at the same time :-P |
| 18:43.34 | unfo | withaY: try chrooting in first |
| 18:43.37 | dude_ | g |
| 18:43.50 | unfo | withaY: there's a --option to do it w/o chrooting, but i forget |
| 18:43.54 | nvz | enouf: *shrug* |
| 18:44.05 | nvz | /dev/hdc1 ext3 110G 103G 5.6G 95% /home/nvz/Sarge |
| 18:44.18 | withaY | unfo: did that. i ran "chroot /target /sbin/grub-install --recheck --no-floppy "(hd0)" |
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| 18:44.23 | nvz | size wise it all seems the same, but /home/nvz/Sarge/home/nvz is gone |
| 18:45.04 | enouf | nvz: I have a spearate install on hda3 .. that I mount through /mnt as well .. there's a separate /home/username there .. but I mount it read only usually .. but it's always mounted |
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| 18:45.28 | enouf | nvz: on a separate HDD too .. in the same system |
| 18:45.29 | nvz | ah!! /home/nvz/Sarge/srv/ is empty too |
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| 18:45.39 | valdyn | nvz: is there a bind mount involved? |
| 18:45.45 | enouf | nvz: what's up with that ? |
| 18:45.48 | nvz | the only two dirs with important data are gone |
| 18:45.51 | hyper_ch | anyone can help me getting python 2.4 to run? |
| 18:45.55 | hyper_ch | on debian sarge? |
| 18:45.57 | unfo | hyper_ch: yes |
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| 18:46.14 | enouf | nvz: maybe they colluded and conspired to get homogenized .. |
| 18:46.23 | hyper_ch | unfo: I did apt-get install python2.4 but for some reasons it keeps using python2.3 |
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| 18:46.39 | hyper_ch | unfo: at least the version number is 2.3.x-x |
| 18:46.43 | frafra | hi all |
| 18:46.44 | unfo | hyper_ch: "it"? |
| 18:46.52 | nvz | valdyn: wtf is a bind mount? this machine has been up 3 days with this mounted this way.. I used my files about this time yesturday before i left for work now I wake up and everything is gone |
| 18:47.04 | hyper_ch | unfo: what do you mean by "it"? |
| 18:47.09 | FerchoLP2 | <amphi> FerchoLP2: why do you need an older version of iptables? -> thanks for answering. I'm installin snort_inline and I just can't make it work with iptables 1.3.5 |
| 18:47.15 | nvz | valdyn: it has to be there somewhere.. |
| 18:47.45 | Fluten | is the procedure in iwconfig for using wpa the same as when using wep? or do i need additional packages? |
| 18:47.49 | enouf | nvz: you check /etc/mtab and mount by itself? how about df -h |
| 18:48.08 | enouf | nvz: bind is a mount opition |
| 18:48.13 | unfo | hyper_ch: please describe your problem in full :) |
| 18:48.16 | frafra | I've installed debian etch on my laptop... wow... it's "perfect" :) But the audio doesn't work... In dmesg I see some: "hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0x9 |
| 18:48.25 | unfo | !smart questions |
| 18:48.25 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 18:49.02 | enouf | nvz: I no like that 95% usage :-( |
| 18:49.04 | hyper_ch | unfo: well, I installed python2.4 but python-support tells me it's version 2.3.x-x |
| 18:49.12 | nvz | enouf: that was df output I showed. its mounted all the dirs are still there. just /home/ and /srv/ on /home/nvz/Sarge/ (hdc1) are empty totalling like 100G of data combined |
| 18:49.14 | unfo | frafra: what sound card? also, esd or alsa? |
| 18:49.22 | unfo | *arts |
| 18:49.30 | enouf | nvz: isn't 10% supposed to be left for su or root? |
| 18:49.37 | valdyn | frafra: read the text about smart questions too please, list commands and error messages, 'doesn't work' is useless for debugging your issue |
| 18:49.39 | nvz | enouf: bah no :P |
| 18:49.46 | unfo | hyper_ch: type: python2.4, then press Enter. does it start up ok? |
| 18:50.02 | frafra | unfo: I use alsa |
| 18:50.03 | nvz | enouf: enouf 10% is way too much on large drives |
| 18:50.17 | enouf | nvz: the kernel likely does that automagically anyway |
| 18:50.31 | unfo | i wonder: what is the default root % allocation on sarge? |
| 18:50.42 | valdyn | its a tunable option for ext2 or ext3, man tune2fs |
| 18:50.49 | FerchoLP2 | <amphi> FerchoLP2: why do you need an older version of iptables? -> thanks for answering. I'm installin snort_inline and I just can't make it work with iptables 1.3.5 |
| 18:50.57 | enouf | nvz: needs space to reshuffle data around .. I never let it go below 15% .. 20% if I can help it |
| 18:51.00 | nvz | enouf: that still doesnt explain where /srv/samba /srv/apt /srv/www /srv/wap and /home/nvz went off my sarge box |
| 18:51.23 | enouf | nvz I bet a reboot would sort it .. and/or a forcefsck |
| 18:51.24 | nvz | and why the space is still used but the shit is not there |
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| 18:51.38 | unfo | valdyn: what's the default? |
| 18:51.51 | valdyn | unfo: 10% iirc |
| 18:52.07 | cydork | !tell frafra -about alsa one-liner |
| 18:52.22 | hyper_ch | unfo: yes, it runs... but somehow by default it keeps running python2.3 |
| 18:52.24 | frafra | thx |
| 18:52.34 | unfo | hyper_ch: that is normal and expected. |
| 18:52.44 | kingsley | Do any WYSIWYG word processors support a.) multiple columns, b.) bibliographies and c.) exporting as text? |
| 18:52.47 | hyper_ch | unfo: how can I make 2.4 as default? |
| 18:52.57 | unfo | dunno. |
| 18:53.09 | unfo | plus, i don't see why there would be a need to. |
| 18:53.11 | dvs | hyper_ch: update-alternatives --config python |
| 18:53.11 | unfo | :) |
| 18:53.14 | valdyn | kingsley: have you tried any of the wyiwyg word processors yet? |
| 18:53.14 | hyper_ch | hmm, the 2.3 version is too old for python-support :( |
| 18:53.23 | dvs | hyper_ch: just a guess |
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| 18:53.39 | DimmuR | i'm trying to install some app (ossim) that requires phpapi-20050606 which is virtual package not available in unstable - how can i solve this problem? |
| 18:53.44 | nvz | fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdc1 Could this be a zero-length partition? ): |
| 18:54.08 | kingsley | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 18:54.13 | valdyn | kingsley: bibliography probably really means footnotes or endnotes |
| 18:54.13 | hyper_ch | dvs: no alternatives for python |
| 18:54.15 | unfo | nvz: i use testdisk, it's fancier than gpart. |
| 18:54.17 | dvs | damn |
| 18:54.28 | unfo | it sucks not to have backups. :( |
| 18:54.31 | dvs | nvz: well, get the data from backups |
| 18:54.43 | valdyn | kingsley: and? which one? abiword and openoffice word both lack it? |
| 18:54.54 | kingsley | valdyn: Yes, the bibliography would be more like end notes, or references. |
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| 18:55.03 | valdyn | kingsley: which wysiwyg word processor actualy does not support both? |
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| 18:55.12 | unfo | nvz: are you *positive* the HDD is borked? |
| 18:56.02 | nvz | unfo: I am _positive_ that its not ... this box however has something wrong with it.. I just reached in and felt the drive to see if it was spinning and it reved up.. the power is fubar or something in there |
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| 18:56.27 | x_0r | hey i need help, im having gcc compiler errors |
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| 18:56.52 | EricJ | Uhm.. Is anyone familiar with this bug, or how to work around it? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg100174.html |
| 18:56.56 | valdyn | x_0r: try #c |
| 18:57.03 | unfo | x_0r: or ##c++ |
| 18:57.16 | nvz | I am about to power down and duplicate this drive though |
| 18:57.22 | unfo | x_0r: but first google for your error on google. |
| 18:57.31 | unfo | replace all variable names with a * |
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| 18:57.42 | valdyn | !anyoen |
| 18:57.44 | enouf | nvz: whoa .. did you try a fsck on mounted? do 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot |
| 18:57.45 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 18:57.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:58.29 | nvz | enouf: the drive is no longer connected somehow I/O errors and whatnot, and cfdisk cant read it at all |
| 18:58.40 | enouf | nvz: try hdparm |
| 18:58.48 | Gnurdux | EricJ did ask his realy question |
| 18:58.55 | nvz | enouf: I had this problem when I first got here.. throught the drive was toast.. its something in the wiring it shuts off at random |
| 18:59.25 | nvz | enouf: this isnt the box it came from, this is just the one I brought with me.. its apperently got issues |
| 18:59.32 | enouf | nvz: or the power is bad .. or connections .. tread lightly .. you shold be able to save it .. or yank the (power) cable out completely |
| 18:59.40 | valdyn | kingsley: i think probably want a text editor that can actually display footnotes in asci text, that's hardly possible, as end notes, i dont know one that does |
| 19:00.24 | nvz | enouf: I am about to power down and copy it all onto this 160G seagate Barracuda just in case it fucks my other drive up |
| 19:01.05 | enouf | nvz: I hear ya .. I would do hte touch /forcefsck .. then reboot and right as she's rebooting jiggle the power and data cables |
| 19:01.29 | nvz | its definatly the berg connector |
| 19:01.40 | nvz | whats wrong I have no idea nothing visible |
| 19:02.01 | enouf | worry bout it once your data is safe :-) |
| 19:02.05 | nvz | this machine doesnt even turn on sometimes.. have to remove the processor/ram and shit and jiggle everything all the time |
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| 19:02.21 | enouf | nvz: what the F .. a jaloppy? |
| 19:02.29 | enouf | hehe |
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| 19:03.12 | nvz | enouf: *shrug* its my cousins computer I have no idea what its major malfunction is.. it worked when I built it then my other cousin got his hands on it and replaced a bunch of shit.. he has no idea what he's doing its hard to say what he fucked up |
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| 19:03.46 | nvz | enouf: might just not have enough power.. cause its a Slot A system and probably only got like 250W |
| 19:03.47 | enouf | nvz: you're starting to push me into the "you deserve what you get" group .. only cause they are KNOWN issues :-( |
| 19:04.11 | enouf | nvz: very very possible .. new PSU for the Wi!N |
| 19:04.26 | enouf | those PSUs were cheap crap |
| 19:04.35 | nvz | enouf: I am going to get my pc tomorrow hopefully it looks like a junk heap but it runs correctly |
| 19:05.02 | nvz | I may switch to this slow ass old gateway until then just to avoid disaster |
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| 19:05.05 | enouf | nvz: ok .. gotta go eat .. se ya later .. hope it works out for ya :-) |
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| 19:09.32 | khaleel | hi everyone.......i am searching for a good media player linux |
| 19:09.35 | khaleel | in CLI |
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| 19:13.10 | cahoot | khaleel: mplayer |
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| 19:13.38 | khaleel | cahoot, hmmmmmmm. any other ? |
| 19:13.47 | cahoot | you said good |
| 19:14.11 | khaleel | cahoot, and if i should have said great ? |
| 19:14.11 | Zap-W | hey, need a script to print the contents of a file which has multiplie lines to another file but have all lines joined into one line |
| 19:14.22 | cahoot | khaleel: mplayer - probably that's what there is for cli |
| 19:14.34 | khaleel | cahoot, ok thanks....... |
| 19:14.58 | khaleel | cahoot, any good msn messenger client for linux (cli based) |
| 19:15.20 | cahoot | khaleel: and - it handles most media- never touched the sn stuff |
| 19:15.49 | cahoot | khaleel: seen btlbee been mentioned in that context |
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| 19:16.18 | khaleel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.26 | cahoot | msn |
| 19:18.37 | khaleel | cahoot, okiez.......i have debian etch 3 dvd set ..... now am on a crappy dialup...... i have had bad experiences with installation of nvidia drivers on other distros i wanna keep it safe when i install my nvidia drivers for my MSI FX5600 VTDR which is nvidia fx5600 chip based |
| 19:18.38 | DevilChaos | my laptop is still not seeing my battery even with acpi and apm apmd installed any hints please? |
| 19:18.54 | khaleel | cahoot, any help with tha? read tozzzzz of howtooz |
| 19:18.58 | khaleel | cahoot, but they still fali |
| 19:20.00 | DevilChaos | battery-status-collector states that the battery is present but persentage is unknown |
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| 19:21.32 | khaleel | any help with taht? |
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| 19:22.10 | cahoot | khaleel: no real help - had no problems with my laptops nvidia 6150 on ubunutu |
| 19:22.40 | khaleel | cahoot, oh... I sypmathize mate |
| 19:23.21 | DevilChaos | arrrrrrg |
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| 19:23.28 | cahoot | khaleel: seems it's actually a 7600 |
| 19:23.38 | Zap-W | /bin/sh: line 1: new-damn: command not found |
| 19:23.40 | Zap-W | er |
| 19:23.48 | Zap-W | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x20hda: DMA timeout retryhda: timeout waiting for DMAhda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }ide: failed opcode was: unknownhda: drive not ready for commandcat: does: No such file or directory |
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| 19:24.03 | khaleel | cahoot, ok , http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html <--- can you please read this how-to |
| 19:24.10 | khaleel | need to cofirm some things |
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| 19:25.35 | cahoot | like? |
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| 19:28.07 | khaleel | cahoot, like 1) it says a kernel common packages ........now i ahve a package for whcih its description says NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
| 19:28.08 | khaleel | This package contains files shared between nvidia module |
| 19:28.08 | khaleel | packages. |
| 19:28.11 | khaleel | is that the thing? |
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| 19:30.56 | cahoot | khaleel already tried the info in /msg dpkg etch nvidia ? |
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| 19:48.40 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 19:48.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
| 19:48.44 | FerchoLP2 | in which source can I find libpcap-devel? |
| 19:49.01 | cydork | FerchoLP2, source? huh? |
| 19:49.14 | FerchoLP2 | source for apt-get |
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| 19:49.42 | FerchoLP2 | i do apt-get but it doesn't find it |
| 19:50.15 | cydork | !info libpcap-dev |
| 19:50.23 | dpkg | libpcap-dev: (Development library for libpcap (transitional package)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 19:50.28 | cydork | FerchoLP2, is that what you are looking for? |
| 19:51.16 | FerchoLP2 | yes, thanks! it worked |
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| 19:59.11 | X-plo | hi hello i'm trying to install firefox 2 and it doesn't work and created an aplication to run that but nothing happend |
| 19:59.28 | X-plo | some advice |
| 19:59.30 | Gnurdux | apt-get install iceweasel |
| 19:59.38 | Gnurdux | firefox 2 is named iceweasel in debian |
| 19:59.39 | cydork | X-plo, dont install firefox 2 :P |
| 19:59.43 | Gnurdux | for complicated reasons |
| 19:59.59 | Gnurdux | but no need to use their installer, unless your on stable |
| 20:00.07 | X-plo | cydork, really why not? |
| 20:00.17 | Gnurdux | why not apt-get iceweasel? |
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| 20:00.40 | cydork | X-plo, coz it's not in debian |
| 20:00.51 | cydork | X-plo, which version of debian are you running anyway? |
| 20:00.58 | X-plo | testing |
| 20:01.08 | X-plo | etch |
| 20:01.27 | Gnurdux | right |
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| 20:01.44 | Gnurdux | i use etch, and i use Iceweasel 2 |
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| 20:01.55 | Gnurdux | it only works becasue i have unstable sources added tho i think |
| 20:01.55 | Gnurdux | cya |
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| 20:02.13 | X-plo | ok thank |
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| 20:03.37 | python | woah |
| 20:03.48 | python | now some people can help me. |
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| 20:04.04 | cydork | !ask |
| 20:04.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:04.07 | python | kk |
| 20:04.19 | python | I have a debian server, I installed kde and vncserver. |
| 20:04.24 | python | I start vncserver |
| 20:04.29 | python | vncserver :2 -depth 16 -geometry 1024x764 |
| 20:04.35 | python | New 'X' desktop is DEB01:2 |
| 20:04.35 | python | Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 20:04.35 | python | Log file is /root/.vnc/DEB01:2.log |
| 20:04.37 | python | but |
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| 20:04.43 | python | sorry |
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| 20:04.49 | python | but |
| 20:04.49 | sepski | !enter |
| 20:04.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 20:05.02 | python | I cannot connect with my vnc client |
| 20:05.07 | python | I keep getting connect refused. |
| 20:05.12 | python | what could be the problem? |
| 20:05.35 | sepski | python, did you read /usr/share/doc/vncserver/ ? |
| 20:05.38 | oOGneaOo | firewall? |
| 20:05.42 | python | I did man vncserver |
| 20:05.56 | oOGneaOo | no, that's not the manpage |
| 20:06.00 | python | forgive me, but im not the smartest when it comes to linux cli. |
| 20:06.10 | cydork | python, are you sure firewall is not running? |
| 20:06.16 | python | yes it is. |
| 20:06.22 | python | how can I disable it? |
| 20:06.35 | oOGneaOo | python: manpages are stored in /usr/share/man/, usually, not /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 20:06.48 | Icb3a | The UNIX way of sex: gunzip-strip-touch-finger-mount-fsck-more-yes-umount-sleep |
| 20:06.52 | python | I'm running iptables. |
| 20:06.58 | oOGneaOo | !sex |
| 20:06.58 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:07.15 | oOGneaOo | python: that could be why... how did you run it? |
| 20:07.21 | Icb3a | well done :) |
| 20:07.30 | python | I downloaded the stuff with apt-get btw. |
| 20:07.38 | python | eh |
| 20:07.43 | python | I don't know, |
| 20:07.50 | python | it came preinstalled with the server. |
| 20:07.54 | oOGneaOo | how do you know that iptables is actually running? |
| 20:08.13 | python | becuase its blocking ever port except 80 and 21. |
| 20:08.23 | python | I want to disable it. |
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| 20:08.27 | oOGneaOo | and you know this as a fact how? |
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| 20:08.37 | oOGneaOo | did you run iptables -nvL? |
| 20:08.38 | python | whoops, silly xchat :) |
| 20:08.54 | foobared | python: iptables-save |
| 20:09.22 | oOGneaOo | python: do you have curl installed? |
| 20:09.44 | python | oOGneaOo |
| 20:09.47 | python | how do I check. |
| 20:10.13 | oOGneaOo | type curl and press enter |
| 20:10.22 | python | command not found. |
| 20:10.27 | oOGneaOo | :) |
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| 20:10.32 | oOGneaOo | apt-get install curl |
| 20:10.51 | python | kk |
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| 20:11.02 | python | I'm downloading at 3670 kb/s lol |
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| 20:11.09 | python | right |
| 20:11.09 | oOGneaOo | k |
| 20:11.11 | python | its installed. |
| 20:11.14 | oOGneaOo | ok |
| 20:11.44 | oOGneaOo | iptables-save > my.fw.txt && cat my.fw.txt | curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 20:12.05 | oOGneaOo | it will present you with a url, you want to paste that url here |
| 20:12.14 | python | huh? |
| 20:12.23 | python | you want me to paste that entire command? |
| 20:12.30 | oOGneaOo | in a terminal |
| 20:12.35 | oOGneaOo | so that it runs |
| 20:12.44 | Ether_Man | Hi.. Anyone know what's currently up with xlibs? Trying to install it and it wants to uninstall basicly everything that has to do with x :/ |
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| 20:13.02 | python | its downloading? |
| 20:13.03 | tuv | python, watch out.. it'll format your disk |
| 20:13.20 | python | http://pastebin.com/831587 |
| 20:13.23 | oOGneaOo | it's basically dumping your firewall rules to a text file, then uploading them to a remote site (where you can later delete it) so that we can determine if the problem is really with your firewall or not |
| 20:13.37 | python | http://pastebin.com/831587 |
| 20:13.40 | oOGneaOo | cool |
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| 20:13.46 | oOGneaOo | yeah, got it the first time |
| 20:13.57 | python | kk |
| 20:13.58 | oOGneaOo | it's loading mad slow :/ |
| 20:14.03 | python | same here |
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| 20:15.03 | teclo | what's again the Debian way of having sex ? Doesn't the bot know that ? |
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| 20:15.24 | tuv | !sex |
| 20:15.24 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:16.07 | python | oOGneaOo , any luck? |
| 20:16.12 | oOGneaOo | python: alright, it finally loaded - you have no firewall rules loaded, you're wide open |
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| 20:16.20 | karsten | That's not sex. |
| 20:16.22 | karsten | This is sex: find; talk; sync; phone; grub; wine; cd $HOME; grep; unzip; strip; |
| 20:16.22 | python | kk |
| 20:16.23 | karsten | touch; gasp; finger; gasp; make love; yes; fsck; top; gasp; ssh; more; |
| 20:16.23 | karsten | yes; dog; gasp; umount; make clean; sleep |
| 20:16.36 | python | so how comes I can't use vncserver with kde? |
| 20:16.57 | oOGneaOo | python: maybe you're not using it right... i haven't used it in awhile... is the X server setup on the server? |
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| 20:17.23 | unlink | why where a whole bunch of packages in unstable downgraded? |
| 20:17.27 | python | I dunno |
| 20:17.36 | karsten | unlink: Because. |
| 20:17.40 | karsten | !tell unlink about smart questions |
| 20:17.41 | python | probably not, I only installed kde. |
| 20:18.09 | oOGneaOo | k, well i don't know if vncserver requires X to run on the remote end |
| 20:18.19 | python | I think it does |
| 20:18.33 | python | but still |
| 20:18.40 | python | I keep getting connection refused |
| 20:18.43 | python | with ym client. |
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| 20:21.25 | Moorenkopf | is there a file where all installed packages are listed? |
| 20:21.43 | teclo | Moorenkopf: dpkg -l |
| 20:21.51 | jatt | hm. Iceweasel shows in About->Iceweasel: Firefox |
| 20:21.51 | jatt | wasn't the intention of the change name to avoid to mention Firefox? |
| 20:22.03 | Moorenkopf | teclo: thanks |
| 20:22.36 | python | so oo |
| 20:22.39 | python | oOGneaOo |
| 20:22.44 | python | what can I do? |
| 20:22.51 | python | do you have a vnc client installed? |
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| 20:23.59 | nzjunky | hello python |
| 20:24.10 | python | hi |
| 20:24.16 | python | can you help me out? |
| 20:24.23 | python | I got a stubborn server |
| 20:24.31 | oOGneaOo | python: sorry, i said no. |
| 20:24.39 | python | which wont let me login into vnc and use kde |
| 20:24.47 | nzjunky | I think first test if your server is running |
| 20:24.53 | mcnaft | how to install a stable version of a package, if I'm running testing? edit sources.list back to stable, apt-get update, apt-get install? |
| 20:24.55 | python | it is. |
| 20:25.00 | oOGneaOo | jatt: looks like a bug to me |
| 20:25.10 | python | I did all updates of apt-get |
| 20:25.21 | oOGneaOo | mcnaft: install a stable distro |
| 20:25.44 | nzjunky | Do you have a program installed like vncviewer? |
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| 20:27.31 | python | nzjunky |
| 20:27.32 | nzjunky | and by any chance is your server named deb01 |
| 20:27.40 | python | I'm using vncview at hom |
| 20:27.48 | python | tightvnc |
| 20:27.51 | jatt | oOGneaOo: indeed. Otherwise the name change would be pointless. |
| 20:27.55 | python | I keep getting connect refused |
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| 20:28.46 | mirak | hi |
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| 20:28.52 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 20:28.54 | mirak | is it possible to build custom packages with pbuilder ? |
| 20:29.07 | solemnwarning | Does the nv driver support tv-out? |
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| 20:29.16 | nzjunky | Try to connect to servername:2 (I thinks thats right according to your server message: "New 'X' desktop is DEB01:2" |
| 20:30.01 | python | I did that |
| 20:30.22 | oOGneaOo | solemnwarning: no, only the commercial version does |
| 20:30.33 | solemnwarning | Damm |
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| 20:30.46 | solemnwarning | I'm building a DVR box, what card should I get for it? |
| 20:30.47 | davedwards | hi |
| 20:30.55 | python | its giving me connection refused nzjunky |
| 20:30.59 | oOGneaOo | a good one |
| 20:31.04 | davedwards | anyone good with getting wireless cards to work in Debian? |
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| 20:31.31 | cydork | davedwards, which one are you using? |
| 20:31.38 | widrone | davedwards: What sort of card? |
| 20:31.49 | nzjunky | Ok. Do you get a connection if you are on the same machine and if you use localhost as servername. That is working on my desktop. |
| 20:32.04 | python | nzjunky |
| 20:32.14 | oOGneaOo | !dbugs 399791 |
| 20:32.15 | python | its running on a dedictaed server |
| 20:32.17 | dpkg | #399791:N[iceweasel] about box still uses the term firefox; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:18:02 UTC |
| 20:32.23 | python | I have terminal access. |
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| 20:32.31 | python | I'm trying to get it with the GUI now. |
| 20:32.40 | python | I'm bad with the cli, hence I need the GUi. |
| 20:33.29 | Firztspawn | lol, I prefer gui to cli (even with servers), I could get by on cli only however |
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| 20:33.56 | Firztspawn | yay me, first post in Debian Forum :) |
| 20:34.05 | Firztspawn | (and not asking for help either) |
| 20:34.12 | oOGneaOo | gui on servers is stupid - eats up resources that should be used by real server processes |
| 20:34.19 | Firztspawn | true |
| 20:34.39 | oOGneaOo | i would fire any admin on the spot simply for running it. |
| 20:35.00 | python | oOGneaOo , its only till I slowly learn how to use the cli. |
| 20:35.15 | Firztspawn | I dont do commercil servers, I was just talking about a home one |
| 20:35.15 | python | I only started learning linux a few days ago. |
| 20:35.17 | nzjunky | What is the result if you type: telnet servername 5901 ? |
| 20:35.23 | oOGneaOo | besides, you can always run them across secure channels |
| 20:35.54 | davedwards | hey cydork: i'm using a Broadcom 4306 Wireless 802.11g internal laptop WLAN card |
| 20:35.59 | python | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 20:36.14 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: even at home, i don't run it - if i need to run an X app on the server, i set it up to run on the server, but display on my workstation |
| 20:36.31 | Firztspawn | and ssh in? |
| 20:36.36 | davedwards | it's one of those that has an LED push-button on the keyboard of the laptop that can be pushed to turn the card on and off |
| 20:36.40 | oOGneaOo | yeah |
| 20:36.46 | nzjunky | Is there a firewall on the way to your server ? (From your desktop to the server) |
| 20:37.01 | python | nzjunky , nope |
| 20:37.06 | Firztspawn | yeah I just got the idea of ssh and home stuff just recently (the last few days) |
| 20:37.08 | oOGneaOo | heh, that's one of the oldest X tricks in the book that most people from the windows camp still don't know about :) |
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| 20:37.47 | nzjunky | what do you see if you type: lsof | grep 5901 |
| 20:37.50 | Firztspawn | and then I wiped my last distro install so gotta redo it in Debian |
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| 20:38.13 | python | nothing |
| 20:38.21 | python | just a fresh line comes up |
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| 20:39.05 | widrone | davedwards: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ its been in kernel since 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 20:39.14 | nzjunky | Looks like your server is not running. You should get a line like: Xtightvnc 7589 matthias 3u IPv4 1401043 TCP *:5901 (LISTEN) |
| 20:39.37 | python | I'm logged in now |
| 20:39.40 | python | using putty |
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| 20:39.55 | python | I just put it in the servers terminal window |
| 20:40.21 | davedwards | widrone: i think i already have that tool in my repository |
| 20:40.33 | davedwards | would it have more luck than ndiswrapper? |
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| 20:40.52 | GoAuLd | i want to jail a group of users in a chroot, and i need 2 Xorg runing, 1 for global system, and another running inside the jail ..... |
| 20:41.06 | widrone | davedwards: Seems it hit sid in jan 06, so there should be some support in the kernel depending on what version you are running. |
| 20:41.14 | GoAuLd | some idea? |
| 20:41.24 | davedwards | ok |
| 20:41.30 | tuv | how do i choose the default font for non-latin languages? |
| 20:41.36 | widrone | davedwards: I dont like the ndisthingy so cant help you there, i like "proper" drivers :) |
| 20:41.53 | davedwards | yeah, i agree widrone.. |
| 20:42.16 | davedwards | how can i find what version of bcm43xx-fwcutter that i have? |
| 20:42.35 | h3sp4wn | The fact still remains with broadcom cards ndiswrapper works alot better than the softmac bcm43xx |
| 20:42.36 | fs-a | isn't that phrase a bit rude? : "You may want to run apt-get update" |
| 20:42.38 | widrone | davedwards: So just look around for the bcm43xx module, dont got a debian box login here so I cant help you hunt. |
| 20:42.46 | fs-a | "no i may not want) |
| 20:42.53 | davedwards | k no prob |
| 20:42.56 | davedwards | thx widrone |
| 20:43.43 | widrone | h3sp4wn: Guess your rite, luckily I never had to go that ndis way... Yet. |
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| 20:44.18 | h3sp4wn | widrone: The devicescape bcm43xx should be alot better |
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| 20:44.33 | h3sp4wn | (but personally I use atheros less hassle) |
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| 20:45.11 | widrone | h3sp4wn: Seems you know a bit about this yes, I just pulled some info out of a google. (Eep, you got me red handed!) |
| 20:46.00 | solemnwarning | I want to have the tv-out of a geforce 2 card output the same signal the VGA port is sending, is it possible with the nv driver? |
| 20:46.05 | GoAuLd | i need to tell kdm if user john logs in start a new Xorg server in a chroot environment |
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| 20:46.43 | GoAuLd | so, put john in the chroot jail, start new xorg and take him in |
| 20:46.59 | GoAuLd | is it possible or linux lacks from flexibility |
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| 20:48.31 | squisher | Hi, is it just me or is iceweasel pretty broken at the moment? |
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| 20:49.08 | cydork | squisher, it's in unstable |
| 20:49.40 | squisher | cydork: I know. Just wanted to make sure it's not my extensions, that's all. |
| 20:50.16 | h3sp4wn | It is compiled with pango which does add slowdown |
| 20:50.23 | widrone | Im just in the mode to always try and find the open driver instead of some binary blob a vendor shipped out the door (ofen a bit too fast). |
| 20:50.26 | h3sp4wn | But its not creashed for me yet |
| 20:50.49 | h3sp4wn | widrone: But in using fwcutter you are still using a blob |
| 20:51.03 | widrone | h3sp4wn: Thanks for the info, Ill try to keep it in mind for the next time BC cards pops up. |
| 20:51.29 | nzjunky | python: Are you still here with us? |
| 20:51.35 | widrone | h3sp4wn: Argh, there is some firmware in there I guess? (Not using any of them really) |
| 20:51.36 | python | yes |
| 20:51.39 | python | xchat fw :) |
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| 20:51.44 | unlink | karsten: thanks |
| 20:51.45 | python | nzjunky |
| 20:51.50 | python | can I Pm you? |
| 20:52.07 | nzjunky | Yes, Try it. |
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| 20:52.38 | raphi_92 | bye |
| 20:53.21 | Firztspawn | Irrumator; ping |
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| 20:54.17 | widrone | h3sp4wn: So its the devicescape one you say its the "most open" one, did I get that right? |
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| 20:55.32 | paddy | is that cool when weasel is able to live his personality disorder on irc.oftc.net, masked behind the debian project? |
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| 20:55.51 | h3sp4wn | widrone: No more open than the bcm43xx one but doesn't have the annoying problems the softmac version does (and the devicescape part is pretty well tested) |
| 20:56.12 | cydork | paddy, huh? |
| 20:56.29 | paddy | cydork, he is setting k-lines on people who say something he dislikes to read |
| 20:56.42 | paddy | and if you talk to the debian project leader he says he is helpless about it |
| 20:56.44 | widrone | h3sp4wn: Ok, thanks again. The more info the merrier I am, didnt even know that there were 3 ways to kick a broadcom card into the air before today. |
| 20:57.23 | paddy | if a person does not have to proper personality to carry access, then he should not have access |
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| 20:57.28 | widrone | paddy: And thats the "official" debian channel isnt it? After the move couple of months ago |
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| 20:57.44 | rumpl | where can I find xorg 6.9 deb package? |
| 20:57.53 | paddy | widrone, exactly that is the point. irc.debian.org points to OFTC |
| 20:58.14 | davedwards | i found where my bcm43xx-fwcutter directories are.... |
| 20:58.16 | davedwards | how can i use these? |
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| 20:59.06 | paddy | when you talk to the debian project leader, he says that he is sorry but the OFTC staff can do whatever they like. and #debian* channels can also do whatever they like |
| 20:59.06 | widrone | paddy: This weasel is top-honcho over there or what? There has to be a way to collectivly get him rid of that? |
| 20:59.06 | paddy | that smells a bit, doesnt it? |
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| 20:59.24 | Firztspawn | whats this about a weasel? whats he up to? |
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| 21:00.12 | biopyte | hi. can you recommend any other bittorent client (debian package) except azureus? azureus is nice but takes too much resources. |
| 21:00.26 | rumpl | btdownload |
| 21:00.38 | ehj20 | rtorrent (an ncurses app) |
| 21:00.45 | Irrumator | bittornado |
| 21:01.05 | davedwards | uTorrent, biopyte....it uses only like 143bites of memory |
| 21:01.10 | davedwards | the smallest there is |
| 21:01.17 | biopyte | thank ypu, guys, so you recommend all these or yiu just mentiion all of them ;)? |
| 21:01.19 | paddy | weasel can obviously do within the debian project whatever he likes |
| 21:01.22 | davedwards | and has the compliments of all other utilities |
| 21:01.34 | paddy | and irc.oftc.net where irc.debian.org points to seems to be his private playground |
| 21:01.40 | davedwards | no I both recommend AND use uTorrent |
| 21:01.45 | biopyte | davedwards, well it does not have to be a amsolute minimalistic thing. |
| 21:01.45 | davedwards | it's very fast too |
| 21:02.23 | davedwards | i understand biopyte, but why use resources that are not needed and it has all the capabilities of the other clients |
| 21:02.40 | biopyte | usability, convenience |
| 21:03.01 | ehj20 | i use rtorrent. It can automatically pick up new torrents as they are downloaded to a predifined directory and can change download/upload rates at preset times of day. it's all console based however. |
| 21:03.48 | paddy | i think its about time that the debian community shows a few people that their abusive behaviour is no longer tolerated |
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| 21:04.03 | tuv | davedwards, is utorrent available for linux/debian? |
| 21:04.25 | biopyte | 4 different opinions. thats like going to different doctors and you get 4 different diagnosis for the same disease ; )i see, i will have to try out all of them :) |
| 21:04.32 | biopyte | thank you, everybody. |
| 21:05.01 | python | tuv |
| 21:05.05 | python | only works on WINE. |
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| 21:05.26 | tuv | python, i'm alcohol-free :) |
| 21:05.26 | python | wine utorrent.exe |
| 21:05.31 | python | hehe. |
| 21:05.42 | python | I'm talking about uTorrent. |
| 21:05.58 | tuv | python, i know.. i prefer java over wine |
| 21:05.59 | python | much better than gayzueres and torrenslux |
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| 21:06.10 | glut | rtorrent rox |
| 21:06.10 | python | java is laggy and unstable |
| 21:06.12 | python | ewww |
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| 21:06.25 | python | rtorrent is bad, too much cli |
| 21:06.26 | python | :P |
| 21:06.31 | python | but its a nice client |
| 21:06.34 | tuv | python, it can be slow and resource-hungry, but i don't know about unstable |
| 21:06.36 | mcnaft | Can I have both a "stable" AND "testing" argument on the same line in sources.list? say if I want to install a stable package with apt-get -t stable install foo? example: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stable testing main |
| 21:06.47 | glut | python: I used to run bittornado, and it sucks more than rtorrent ;) |
| 21:07.10 | python | damn right |
| 21:07.42 | tuv | mcnaft, you can do apt-get install foo/stable bar/testing, but i don't think you combin stable and testing in a single sources.list line |
| 21:08.00 | cydork | !mixing |
| 21:08.24 | cydork | hmm |
| 21:08.24 | mRk` | better do only testing or stable |
| 21:08.35 | cydork | !bobbitt |
| 21:08.35 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 21:08.42 | cydork | :) |
| 21:08.50 | glut | mixing stable and testing is like putting finger between doors |
| 21:09.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:09.40 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:10.00 | rumpl | What is the less paintfull way of downgrading xorg? or any package? |
| 21:10.06 | cydork | tarzeau, i thought you said it's enough :P |
| 21:10.22 | Ronin | rumpl: why downgrade? |
| 21:10.34 | tarzeau | cydork: you're right, it's really enough |
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| 21:10.36 | rumpl | No more DRI with the new xorg |
| 21:11.15 | cydork | tarzeau, na i dont think so :) |
| 21:11.31 | biopyte | i see there are some new xorg packages in testing. upgrade or rather wait some days? |
| 21:11.51 | tarzeau | cydork: it's really time to spend time in better ways |
| 21:11.52 | rumpl | I've been waiting for 2 moths now. |
| 21:12.00 | tarzeau | cydork: i've seen it. it was great, it was fun |
| 21:12.02 | oOGneaOo | biopyte: help nail the bugs or wait for someone else to do it |
| 21:12.05 | cydork | tarzeau, like ?? |
| 21:12.10 | tarzeau | cydork: #debian |
| 21:12.18 | tarzeau | i won't be here anymore |
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| 21:12.36 | oOGneaOo | wtf |
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| 21:13.04 | oOGneaOo | perhaps he cares more about his video games and rom headers than anything else ;) |
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| 21:14.49 | cydork | oOGneaOo, or he had a bad date! |
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| 21:15.19 | oOGneaOo | cydork: heh |
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| 21:16.07 | oOGneaOo | eletrantwo:/home/gnea/iceweasel-2.0+dfsg# rgrep [Ff][Ii][Rr][Ee][Ff][Oo][Xx] * > ../iceweasel_firefox_violations.log |
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| 21:16.35 | oOGneaOo | fun fun |
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| 21:17.03 | oOGneaOo | 153474 2006-11-23 14:16 iceweasel_firefox_violations.log |
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| 21:17.15 | oOGneaOo | snazzy - 150k+ |
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| 21:17.37 | cydork | oOGneaOo, pastebin it :P |
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| 21:18.02 | oOGneaOo | hehe ok :) |
| 21:18.31 | oOGneaOo | hrm, i should make sure that any patches don't already take care of most of these... |
| 21:19.02 | oOGneaOo | iceweasel_2.0+dfsg-1.diff.gz |
| 21:19.47 | cydork | i guess so.. |
| 21:20.15 | oOGneaOo | oh ok, it's already applied |
| 21:20.19 | oOGneaOo | pastebinning |
| 21:21.00 | Firztspawn | when removing a service from autostarting in Debian, whats the command please? |
| 21:21.06 | Firztspawn | on boot |
| 21:21.17 | oOGneaOo | update-rc.d |
| 21:21.17 | cydork | Firztspawn, man update-rc.d |
| 21:21.27 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 21:21.28 | oOGneaOo | cydork: http://pastebin.com/831653 |
| 21:22.30 | oOGneaOo | hrm, maybe i killed it |
| 21:22.35 | cydork | it's damn slow |
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| 21:23.00 | oOGneaOo | it's been like that all afternoon |
| 21:23.07 | oOGneaOo | ok |
| 21:23.11 | oOGneaOo | time fore a mirror |
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| 21:23.20 | cydork | ok it's loaded |
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| 21:23.33 | oOGneaOo | ah, there it goes |
| 21:23.44 | Firztspawn | exim4, is that anything like getmail? |
| 21:23.53 | Firztspawn | or completely different |
| 21:24.13 | oOGneaOo | exim4 is an mta |
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| 21:24.35 | oOGneaOo | so it's more like sendmail, with the exception that sendmail sucks and exim4 is much better ;) |
| 21:24.57 | Ares | hello. if i use aol with wine, it will takes a lot of memory? |
| 21:25.13 | oOGneaOo | Ares: that's a trick question, right? |
| 21:25.31 | Ares | i am afraid that isnt |
| 21:25.41 | Firztspawn | no getmail in debian? |
| 21:25.43 | oOGneaOo | well, it's aol |
| 21:25.58 | Ares | what do you mean, oOGneaOo ? |
| 21:26.03 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: apt-cache search getmail |
| 21:26.20 | oOGneaOo | Ares: aol is a memomry hog by design, there's no escaping it, other than simply not using it |
| 21:26.41 | Firztspawn | ok, just I know how to do getmail (and it suits my needs well) dont know a thing about exim |
| 21:27.00 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: do you know what an MTA is? |
| 21:27.02 | oOGneaOo | !mta |
| 21:27.02 | dpkg | [mta] a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 21:27.12 | Firztspawn | oOGneaOo; I can run getmail and fcron sweet without exim and MTA? |
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| 21:27.43 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: no, you need an mta to be setup to at least handle local mail delivery - mail doesn't deliver itself |
| 21:27.57 | Firztspawn | yeah, gets mail from your global inboxes and shoves them into one folder to be read by kmail for instance? |
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| 21:28.18 | rumpl | So anyone knows where all the old xorg deb packages go when a new one comes? |
| 21:28.20 | oOGneaOo | only if you're using Maildir |
| 21:28.30 | Firztspawn | thats usually what I do |
| 21:28.36 | oOGneaOo | rumpl: *poof* |
| 21:28.41 | rumpl | Seem so. |
| 21:28.59 | oOGneaOo | someone should archive that shit |
| 21:29.11 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 21:29.49 | Firztspawn | oOGneaOo; ok, so on boot, when it says MTA: exim starting, can I change that to MTA: getmail? |
| 21:30.20 | Firztspawn | or is it better to forget about getmail and use exim |
| 21:30.53 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: heh, you don't get it.... an MTA is a daemon that listes on port 25, and getmail is a client that retrieves mail from remove sites, which requires an MTA to be installed to handle delivery to a local mailbox |
| 21:31.03 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: they work together |
| 21:31.21 | oOGneaOo | you can't have getmail without an MTA, that's simply not how it works |
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| 21:31.41 | Firztspawn | so I cant have getmail without exim? |
| 21:31.46 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: you should check out fetchmail too |
| 21:32.07 | Firztspawn | this is soooo different from Gentoo lol |
| 21:32.08 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: you should configure exim4 to handle local delivery only |
| 21:32.09 | tuv | getmail is easier to deal with. fetchmail is more efficient |
| 21:32.15 | oOGneaOo | Firztspawn: no it isn't |
| 21:32.22 | oOGneaOo | the concepts are still the same |
| 21:32.34 | Firztspawn | I dont remember exim in Gentoo being required |
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| 21:32.40 | Firztspawn | for getmail |
| 21:32.50 | oOGneaOo | that's probably because you were running a different MTA |
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| 21:32.59 | Firztspawn | true |
| 21:33.14 | Firztspawn | what other MTA's are there? |
| 21:33.18 | oOGneaOo | !mta |
| 21:33.19 | dpkg | i heard mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 21:33.31 | oOGneaOo | but exim4 is probably the better one |
| 21:33.35 | tuv | Firztspawn, exim is not required for getmail. it's required to deliver your local mail: mail from the system to you to inform you about things happening to your system |
| 21:33.41 | oOGneaOo | nanoed: shut that off, please |
| 21:33.43 | Firztspawn | ahh, I think it was ssmtp |
| 21:34.12 | oOGneaOo | nanoed: shut off public away messages now, or face expulsion |
| 21:34.31 | tuv | Firztspawn, but you still need something to serve the Maildir created by getmail to your mail client, e.g. imap/pop server |
| 21:34.32 | oOGneaOo | !away |
| 21:34.32 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 21:34.54 | oOGneaOo | !tell nanoed about away |
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| 21:36.16 | tuv | Firztspawn, for example, my compete configuration is: exim to handle local mail (system-only). fetchmail/getmail to retreive mail from a remote pop server. dovecot to serve mail that fetchmail/getmail retreives via imaps |
| 21:36.19 | Ares | oOGneaOo: i downloaded from synaptic, aolserver4 and i dont know where it is installed |
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| 21:37.53 | Firztspawn | ok, I think I got it |
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| 21:44.00 | mirak | does anyone know how to build custom debs with pbuilder ? |
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| 21:48.14 | SpComb | are testing's debian mirror keys broken? Neither de or de2 mirrors work for me here, they fail with bad keys |
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| 21:49.49 | rumpl | they are not who you think they are. |
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| 21:50.19 | SpComb | hmm? |
| 21:51.24 | rumpl | nothing, just some paranoia |
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| 21:54.07 | cydork | SpComb, do you get badsig? |
| 21:54.16 | SpComb | yes |
| 21:54.18 | cydork | !badsig |
| 21:54.18 | dpkg | If you're seeing BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive; this means that the signature on the Release.gpg file doesn't match the Release file. This happened because a mirror pulse was delayed. Use a different mirror, or wait 24 hours and the problem will resolve itself. |
| 21:54.24 | SpComb | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:54.24 | SpComb | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 21:54.24 | SpComb | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 21:54.24 | SpComb | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 21:54.46 | SpComb | three lines is my personal paste limit :/ |
| 21:54.58 | SpComb | granted, that *was* actually four... nbm |
| 21:55.03 | cydork | SpComb, /msg dpkg etch key |
| 21:55.51 | SpComb | fixed! |
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| 21:56.41 | davedwards | i downloaded the bcm43xx-fwcutter tool and extracted it to my desktop....how to i install it? |
| 21:56.48 | SpComb | ok, de2 is broken, but de works (for now) |
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| 21:57.03 | GoAuLd | i need to tell kdm if user john logs in start a new Xorg server in a chroot environment |
| 21:57.14 | earthian | hello, is there somewhere a place to see a changelog for an upgrade? |
| 21:57.17 | GoAuLd | how is this possible |
| 21:58.13 | ehj20 | earthian: did you use aptitude? |
| 21:58.22 | earthian | ehj20, i use apt-get |
| 21:58.45 | squisher | earthian: do you mean a changelog of a package, or what packages got upgraded? |
| 21:58.55 | earthian | a changelog |
| 21:59.08 | squisher | earthian: check /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/ChangeLog |
| 21:59.17 | earthian | what are the difference between the package on my system and the package that is offered for upgrade. |
| 21:59.19 | earthian | ok |
| 21:59.32 | earthian | can i check that BEFORE upgrading? |
| 21:59.52 | squisher | earthian: hmm, you should be able to go to packages.debian.org/<package-name> and access it from there |
| 21:59.56 | ehj20 | I'm not sure apt-get keeps logs. I suggest installing aptitude, it can be used like apt-get and keeps logs of everything it does. |
| 22:00.04 | earthian | ok will try. thanks |
| 22:00.55 | mirak | hi |
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| 22:01.25 | mirak | I have read docks but can't find how to build a .deb modified with my patches. |
| 22:01.35 | mirak | with pbuilder |
| 22:01.45 | cydork | davedwards, did you apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter ?? |
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| 22:03.48 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:03.57 | Mazingaro | is there anyone using skype on debian unstable? |
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| 22:04.19 | davedwards | cydork: well , actually no, i downloaded the binary package |
| 22:05.00 | davedwards | if i do apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter, it tells me 'E: Couldn't find package bcm43xx-fwcutter' |
| 22:05.35 | cydork | davedwards, which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:05.49 | davedwards | kernel 2.6.17.2 |
| 22:06.31 | cydork | davedwards, etch? |
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| 22:06.48 | davedwards | yes etch |
| 22:07.03 | earthian | package info in packages.debian.org is outdated. |
| 22:07.04 | earthian | :/ |
| 22:07.26 | cydork | davedwards, do you have contrib in your sources.list? |
| 22:07.33 | earthian | where else can i find a changelog for packages that are awaiting my Y or N for upgrade :S |
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| 22:08.11 | squisher | earthian: packages.debian.org should not be outdated. You might be looking at the package in stable maybe? Make sure you select the correct distribution |
| 22:08.25 | earthian | i select *all* |
| 22:08.33 | davedwards | cydork: no i don't see any contrib in m sources.list |
| 22:08.37 | earthian | etch is testing, not unstable righht? |
| 22:08.48 | cydork | earthian, yes |
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| 22:09.47 | squisher | earthian: I'm not sure then. Cumbersome way would be to tell apt-get to only download the packages, and then check the ones you're interested in by hand in /var/cache/apt |
| 22:09.51 | SpComb | and also, I get an error like this every hour from cron: /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 826: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory |
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| 22:10.07 | SpComb | with a couple hundred of those it's no fun |
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| 22:10.19 | earthian | xserver-xorg package in packages.debian.org: |
| 22:10.20 | earthian | xserver-xorg (1:7.1.0-5) |
| 22:10.20 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.28 | earthian | package on my apt-get |
| 22:10.29 | SpComb | this was probably caused by me blinding installing postfix, sending sendmail into some funny state |
| 22:10.44 | earthian | xserver-xorg (1:7.1.0-5) |
| 22:10.44 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.47 | cydork | davedwards, oh that's the reason that package is there in contrib. |
| 22:10.50 | earthian | oops |
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| 22:11.09 | earthian | well its 7.1.0-6 on system and 7.1.0-7 for upgrade |
| 22:11.43 | GoAuLd | i need to tell kdm if user john logs in start a new Xorg server in a chroot environment |
| 22:11.49 | GoAuLd | is it possible? |
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| 22:12.22 | Althaser | how can I see the keyboard key ? please |
| 22:12.26 | xingu | GoAuLd: kdm runs under display server already, it could get fiddly. |
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| 22:12.52 | GoAuLd | oh |
| 22:12.57 | mirak | I want to build a modified deb package with pbuilder but it downloads the repository source instead of building mine |
| 22:13.14 | CrazyTB | I'm not a debian user. Could someone say me what is the latest kernel version in debian? |
| 22:13.37 | davedwards | i included contrib in my sources.list and it still can't find the package bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 22:13.39 | rsk | CrazyEddy, packages.debian.org |
| 22:13.53 | cydork | davedwards, apt-get update first |
| 22:13.53 | CrazyTB | rsk: I tried that, but I don't know the kernel package name. |
| 22:14.11 | rsk | search for kernel should do |
| 22:14.16 | earthian | CrazyEddy, 2.6.19 in experimental...? |
| 22:14.27 | earthian | i have 2.6.18 built from sid sources |
| 22:14.44 | earthian | so sid has 2.6.18 |
| 22:14.50 | CrazyTB | rsk: I tried, got tooo many results |
| 22:16.24 | davedwards | i have done that |
| 22:17.28 | cydork | davedwards, then check your sources.list again if it's ok.. |
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| 22:18.01 | rsk | CrazyTB, well stable unstable exprimental? |
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| 22:19.13 | davedwards | i included to lines: one of 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free' and another non-US source |
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| 22:19.41 | earthian | squisher, done as you suggested and it worked. thanks. (i.e. apt-get -d upgrade then manualy review the changelog in /var/cache/.../*.deb) |
| 22:19.48 | cydork | davedwards, stable?? |
| 22:20.00 | squisher | earthian: great, I'm glad :-) |
| 22:20.05 | cydork | davedwards, etch is testing.. |
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| 22:21.21 | davedwards | ahhh ! |
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| 22:24.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: vatikan[16f] porn spam on join |
| 22:24.54 | davedwards | DOOD! cydork :D i think i got it now |
| 22:24.58 | davedwards | at least getting close |
| 22:25.01 | davedwards | i'm thrilled ;) |
| 22:25.03 | davedwards | thx |
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| 22:27.05 | abchirk | hi all :) |
| 22:27.17 | cydork | davedwards, now run /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh |
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| 22:29.09 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 22:29.20 | Pupeno | How can I turn dos line endings to unix ones ? |
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| 22:29.59 | petemc | !dos2unix |
| 22:30.00 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 22:30.00 | h3sp4wn | Pupeno: perl -pi -e 's/\r\n$/\n/' filename |
| 22:30.35 | abchirk | hm |
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| 22:30.54 | davedwards | cydork: okay |
| 22:30.55 | davedwards | doing now |
| 22:31.11 | davedwards | woah....it's doing something :D |
| 22:31.38 | davedwards | ok it extracted install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh |
| 22:32.36 | cydork | davedwards, now try to modprobe bcm43xx |
| 22:32.56 | davedwards | ok no error there :) |
| 22:33.22 | cydork | davedwards, now run iwconfig |
| 22:33.46 | davedwards | omg |
| 22:33.51 | davedwards | my eth0 is there now! |
| 22:33.58 | davedwards | :-D |
| 22:34.11 | davedwards | holy moly! |
| 22:34.32 | davedwards | is there a chance ??? |
| 22:34.50 | cydork | davedwards, sure :) |
| 22:35.11 | davedwards | oh man |
| 22:35.17 | davedwards | how can i test it now |
| 22:35.18 | davedwards | :) |
| 22:35.50 | cydork | davedwards, you have a wifi ap runniing? you check by running iwlist scan.. |
| 22:35.51 | davedwards | use kwlan wireless lan manager? |
| 22:35.57 | davedwards | yes i do |
| 22:35.58 | cydork | davedwards, or use that :P |
| 22:36.00 | davedwards | k cool |
| 22:36.03 | Mazingaro | may I use skype with a cam? |
| 22:36.08 | Mazingaro | on debian? |
| 22:36.26 | cydork | Mazingaro, you may if skype's linux version allows that :P |
| 22:36.36 | davedwards | iwlist scan reports 'eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device' |
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| 22:37.47 | cydork | no such device?? and it works on iwconfig?? |
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| 22:39.49 | stuN | alguem ai me le |
| 22:40.26 | Pons | davedwards, |
| 22:40.28 | davedwards | hm, it seems....yes |
| 22:40.33 | Pons | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 22:40.35 | davedwards | yes Pons? |
| 22:40.37 | Pons | then iwlist scan |
| 22:40.38 | davedwards | ok |
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| 22:41.22 | davedwards | interesting Pons:.... iwlist scan now reports 'eth0 no scan results' |
| 22:41.26 | surial | hey guys, I'm having some problems installing debian. It doesn't recognize the network card. Is there a place I can check hardware compatibility compared to versions? |
| 22:41.31 | Pons | what card is it? |
| 22:41.36 | Pons | which driver does it use? |
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| 22:41.52 | surial | heh, I don't have the full info on that yet. Box was built by the colo guys. one sec. |
| 22:42.01 | cydork | davedwards, do you have wifi router running? |
| 22:42.08 | davedwards | eth0 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"Broadcom 4306" |
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| 22:42.19 | davedwards | yes i have a wifi router running |
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| 22:42.44 | davedwards | a Netgear |
| 22:42.54 | surial | Well, I have the dump of the pci report off of a freebsd machine with the same card. |
| 22:42.55 | surial | Would that help? |
| 22:42.57 | Pons | davedwards, |
| 22:43.00 | Pons | do this |
| 22:43.12 | Pons | do you use any encoding? wep, wpa? |
| 22:43.23 | davedwards | yes i think i do |
| 22:43.33 | Pons | what? |
| 22:43.40 | Pons | what type? |
| 22:43.44 | davedwards | i believe it's wpa |
| 22:43.49 | surial | http://pastebin.ca/256259 |
| 22:43.55 | davedwards | whichever is the 'newer' technology |
| 22:43.56 | Pons | davedwards, that is harder |
| 22:44.02 | Pons | wpa |
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| 22:44.17 | Pons | you have to check for a guide.. i've never used wpa in linux |
| 22:45.04 | cydork | davedwards, still it should show up in iwlist scan |
| 22:45.08 | surial | That enough to go hunt for some sort of hardware compatibility list? I do know that last time debian-stable was attempted to be installed on a machine like that (about 4 weeks ago, with -stable), the network card was NOT recognized by the installer. |
| 22:45.18 | Pons | cydork, some drivers fail to list ap's |
| 22:45.33 | Pons | davedwards, is the new broadcom driver that comes in the kernel? |
| 22:45.42 | cydork | Pons, hmm never knew that.. |
| 22:45.49 | cydork | Pons, yep.. |
| 22:46.28 | Pons | a friend of mine with a broadcom airforce one was never able to list ap's with the new driver |
| 22:46.31 | davedwards | i believe i added the broadcom that came with ndiswrapper |
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| 22:46.45 | Pons | ndiswrapper worked |
| 22:46.47 | davedwards | but i am attempting to troubleshoot with WPA supplicant |
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| 22:47.26 | Mitja | Does debian have a default user postgres? |
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| 22:48.01 | davedwards | i know my ssid and my network key |
| 22:48.01 | Cpudan80 | Hello |
| 22:48.09 | Cpudan80 | Anyone in here use the smart package manager? |
| 22:48.14 | jovans | yes |
| 22:48.26 | jovans | i need help |
| 22:48.29 | Cpudan80 | jovans: Got a question - think you could help me? (It's about mirrors) |
| 22:48.37 | jovans | ask |
| 22:48.48 | Cpudan80 | ok - well - I added the heanet.ie mirror |
| 22:48.53 | jovans | ok |
| 22:48.54 | xingu | surial: e100 driver |
| 22:48.57 | cydork | Mitja, if you use tasksel yes! |
| 22:49.05 | xingu | surial: should autobind if you have a ~current kernel |
| 22:49.06 | Cpudan80 | I am downloading a bunch of packages -- but it doesn't seem to be using heanet |
| 22:49.15 | surial | ~current |
| 22:49.18 | apt | [current] close, you can change font size, but it does not automatically create more pages. |
| 22:49.18 | Cpudan80 | Like - none of those items have progressed at all |
| 22:49.20 | jovans | i have no sound or my sound don't works properly what can i do? |
| 22:49.27 | xingu | surial: from modules.pcimap: e100 0x00008086 0x000027dc 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00020000 0x00ffff00 0x0 |
| 22:49.31 | surial | xingu: Ok, So I'll install a fresh etch rc1. |
| 22:49.38 | xingu | surial: good plan |
| 22:49.42 | foxure | Hello. any body have an idea howto solve my internet problem.. The speed is only 10Mbit and the network interfaces are capable of 100Mbit |
| 22:49.44 | surial | Second question: I've tried downloading the netinst image, but all mirrors I can find are down or are transmitting at below 1 kb/s. |
| 22:49.50 | surial | and I already checked, it's not my connection that's the problem. |
| 22:49.52 | surial | Am I missing something? |
| 22:49.56 | davedwards | iwlist scan still responds eth0 no scan results. :-/ |
| 22:50.12 | davedwards | and WPA supplicant doesn't work so swell |
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| 22:51.02 | xingu | surial: can't help you with that; benchmark, keep trying; should work eventually - my own install set downloaded fast enough about two months back |
| 22:51.12 | davedwards | OMG |
| 22:51.19 | davedwards | my BLUE LED lit up! |
| 22:51.26 | davedwards | crap, it turned off |
| 22:51.27 | surial | congratulations!? |
| 22:51.28 | davedwards | lol |
| 22:51.51 | surial | xingu: Ok. I am a bit confused, though. there's "netboot", and "netinst". netboot tends to come in netboot.tgz, whereas netinst tends to be an iso. |
| 22:52.00 | davedwards | wow, now iwlist scan gives like 3 cells! |
| 22:52.02 | davedwards | :) |
| 22:52.18 | xingu | surial: netboot is designed for pxe boot I think |
| 22:52.23 | davedwards | omg this is amazing! |
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| 22:52.38 | surial | xingu: so not for me, then. ok. I really need a netinst. |
| 22:52.42 | xingu | surial: netinst is netboot, but loading the boot environment for torito or whatever |
| 22:52.51 | surial | The thing is, if I browse random mirrors I can't find netinst. I know, it's me. I just somehow can't seem to find it. |
| 22:53.47 | xingu | surial: /topic. |
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| 22:54.27 | xingu | s/for torito/from torito/ |
| 22:54.30 | davedwards | cydork: ....if m iwlist scan gives 3 cells available |
| 22:54.35 | davedwards | and i can see my AP in the list |
| 22:55.00 | surial | That's just confusing. No install disks will be made for 3.1r4? But what am I downloading (at <1kb/sec) then? |
| 22:55.05 | jimmypw | Im having a problem with screen. Sometimes when i exit programs the process turns zombie <defunct> rendering the entire session useless as i can't change the screen or use any of the ^a commands. Is there any way to restore access to the session or stop this from happening? |
| 22:55.25 | cydork | davedwards, then you can use kwifi or just use dhclient eth0 |
| 22:55.27 | xingu | surial: no clue, go to devel/debian-installer |
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| 22:55.33 | surial | That's where I am. |
| 22:55.36 | cydork | davedwards, ohh wait you using wpa right? |
| 22:55.38 | surial | I clicked the download link, bupkis. |
| 22:55.47 | davedwards | i believe so |
| 22:56.08 | surial | hold on, hold on.. |
| 22:56.09 | davedwards | i can go to my 192.168.1.1 netgear setup and check, but i'm quite sure that's the way it is setup |
| 22:56.18 | surial | I think my bittorrent just all of a sudden wrapped after hanging on no data for 5 minutes. |
| 22:56.43 | surial | debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso just finished. Heh. ok. Thanks a tonne, guys! |
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| 22:57.44 | cydork | davedwards, but do you see it in iwlist scan? |
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| 22:58.03 | davedwards | cydork: yes i see me ESSID network in iwlist scan |
| 22:58.38 | jimmypw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.39 | jimmypw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.39 | jimmypw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.39 | jimmypw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:58.48 | davedwards | precisely......'Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:14:6C:D8:3C:2A, ESSID:"NETGEAR"' |
| 22:58.53 | davedwards | that's mine |
| 22:58.59 | davedwards | i just want to mount it :D |
| 22:59.08 | cydork | davedwards, what about Encryption ?? |
| 22:59.49 | davedwards | it says 'encryption key is on' |
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| 23:02.45 | cydork | davedwards, anything else? |
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| 23:03.30 | rabbit7 | anybody experience with lilo initrd and md ? |
| 23:03.43 | anapivirtua | Good night, See you later. |
| 23:04.27 | rabbit7 | its a dedicated system so i dont have access to the console |
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| 23:05.51 | davedwards | these are the details for my AP: "Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:14:6C:D8:3C:2A ESSID:"NETGEAR" Protocol:IEEE 802.11bg Mode:Master Channel :11 Encryption key:on Bit Rates:54 Mb/s Extra: Rates (Mb/s): 1 2 5.5 6 9 11 12 18 24 36 48 54 Quality=100/100 Signal level=-136 dBm IE: WPA Version 1 Group Cipher : TKIP Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK Extra: Last beacon: 172ms ago |
| 23:05.58 | davedwards | sorry, i didn't want to post that much |
| 23:06.35 | cydork | davedwards, it's wpa |
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| 23:07.03 | simmerz | if i make-kpkg kernel_image, is the only difference that 3rd party modules aren't installed? |
| 23:07.12 | cydork | davedwards, well install wpasupplicant and wpagui i guess :P |
| 23:07.25 | davedwards | i have wpasupplicant installed |
| 23:07.25 | simmerz | only diff between that and modules_image i mean |
| 23:07.42 | davedwards | it gets stuck with asking for my 'password' over and over again |
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| 23:07.53 | davedwards | but it seems to run for the most part |
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| 23:08.34 | davedwards | when it asks for which 'driver' i should use to start the WPA supplicant.... |
| 23:08.53 | davedwards | it offers ndiswrapper and ipw, madwifi, and some otheres |
| 23:08.59 | davedwards | is there a difference? |
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| 23:11.12 | cydork | davedwards, no bcm43? |
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| 23:13.09 | davedwards | cydork: no bcm43 in the driver list of wpa supplicant |
| 23:13.27 | davedwards | i have it running in the lower corner 'task bar' of my KDE |
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| 23:14.16 | MolePrince | Hello, I just compiled the driver for my wireless USB adapter, and plugged it in. The module loaded properly, however I do not see an entry in ifconfig or iwconfig for the adapter. How do I set this up please? |
| 23:14.16 | nrdb | I have an old debian system I am trying to update, using synaptic, on a reload I got a warning "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:" "A70DAF536070D3A1" how do I fix this ? |
| 23:14.57 | nrdb | MolePrince: id you try the '-a' option |
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| 23:15.21 | MolePrince | nrdb: Yes, it only displays lo and eth0 |
| 23:15.40 | cydork | davedwards, no broadcom? |
| 23:16.30 | cydork | !tell nrdb -about etch key |
| 23:17.05 | davedwards | there's 'amtel hostap ipw madwifi ndiswrapper prism54 wext wired' |
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| 23:20.03 | gsagsdf | ellow |
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| 23:20.30 | jelly | davedwards: wext is the "generic" one |
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| 23:21.43 | gsagsdf | Im having a bit of a problem. I need to rename about 300 files. The problem is, that i got the files like name.jpg~. How can i remove the ~ |
| 23:21.57 | nrdb | cydork: thanks! that worked :) |
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| 23:22.10 | gsagsdf | I tried the rename, but i dont know enough perl to figure out the correct sintaks |
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| 23:22.51 | squisher | gsagsdf: if you're under kde, or have kde stuff installed already, give krename a shot. Works pretty well. |
| 23:23.28 | gsagsdf | i run CLI only |
| 23:24.01 | squisher | gsagsdf: you could do it with shell scripting too |
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| 23:24.16 | gsagsdf | im not skilled enough |
| 23:24.41 | gsagsdf | i just need a "Perl expression" that would delete the ! |
| 23:24.48 | jatt | gsagsdf: what's so special about the ~? You can do |
| 23:24.48 | jatt | mv name.jpg~ name.jpg |
| 23:24.48 | jatt | from the shell... |
| 23:24.49 | gsagsdf | sorry ~ |
| 23:25.05 | gsagsdf | jatt 300 times? |
| 23:25.12 | jatt | gsagsdf: no |
| 23:25.24 | gsagsdf | i have about 300 files |
| 23:25.26 | gsagsdf | :/ |
| 23:25.38 | jatt | gsagsdf: you said: "The problem is, that i got the files like name.jpg~", I don't see any problem in that. |
| 23:25.53 | gsagsdf | I need to rename about 300 files. |
| 23:25.55 | squisher | something along the lines: for f in `ls *.jpg~`; do n=`echo $f | sed s/(.*)~$/\1/`; mv $f $n; done # test this on some dummy, I just cooked this up w/o trying it |
| 23:25.58 | gsagsdf | wass in there |
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| 23:26.53 | davedwards | should i reboot? |
| 23:26.57 | eduhat | hey guys, if i want to download the latest version of debian... how would i do that? what is the url? |
| 23:27.13 | gsagsdf | jatt: mv: missing file argument |
| 23:27.13 | davedwards | would that give the wireless a better chance of recognizing the AP? |
| 23:27.19 | jatt | gsagsdf: there is a rename utility to rename multiple files (yes it can work with 300 files). |
| 23:27.22 | gsagsdf | nad two syntax error |
| 23:27.27 | jatt | gsagsdf: man mv |
| 23:27.32 | gsagsdf | and |
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| 23:28.10 | jatt | gsagsdf: if you cannot issue a simple mv command I think you should follow squisher's advice and use krename. |
| 23:28.54 | gsagsdf | jatt: your script made that error. and i dont have KDE |
| 23:29.03 | eduhat | when i look at the current release of debian, i see a whole bunch of different ones... which should download? |
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| 23:30.29 | squisher | gsagsdf: do an "apt-cache search rename", I'm sure you'll find some cli helper script/program |
| 23:30.33 | jatt | gsagsdf: ? you wrote: |
| 23:30.33 | jatt | mv name.jpg~ name.jpg |
| 23:30.33 | jatt | which was an example of mine, without creating a name.jpg~ file first? That one-liner issues no "missing file argument" error. |
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| 23:30.51 | squisher | jatt: but mv can't do mass-rename |
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| 23:31.03 | gsagsdf | jatt: i know how to move files |
| 23:31.07 | jatt | squisher: you got two alternatives already, krename and rename, try them. |
| 23:31.08 | gsagsdf | oh sorry |
| 23:31.10 | gsagsdf | damn |
| 23:31.23 | gsagsdf | my mistake, i was running squisher`s script |
| 23:31.38 | eduhat | can someone please provide me a link to the latest version of debian? |
| 23:31.39 | gsagsdf | im a bit tired and i have to do this now... |
| 23:31.44 | squisher | Ah rename, that seems pretty simple :-) |
| 23:32.09 | gsagsdf | the script didnt work |
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| 23:32.24 | squisher | gsagsdf: rename `s/\.jpg~$/.jpg/` *.jpg~ # again, just a shot :-) |
| 23:32.35 | jatt | sigh... |
| 23:32.44 | streuner | !tell eduhat about sid faq |
| 23:33.00 | gsagsdf | squisher: -bash: s/.jpg~$/.jpg/: No such file or directory |
| 23:33.31 | squisher | gsagsdf: Did you enter the rename? |
| 23:33.33 | jatt | gsagsdf: you are doing something stupid. You just need to use the commands with the right arguments, on the right files. |
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| 23:34.08 | gsagsdf | squisher: ??? |
| 23:34.11 | jimmypw | how do i kill zombie processes? |
| 23:34.18 | streuner | !zombie |
| 23:34.18 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 23:34.50 | gsagsdf | jatt: no doubt that is happening, but i have been awake for about 22 hours and i am f***** up right now |
| 23:35.52 | gsagsdf | squisher: i pasted your command in the folder that has the images |
| 23:36.32 | squisher | gsagsdf: yeah, somehow the quotes got messed up |
| 23:36.42 | streuner | eduhat: just use etch/testing then (/msg dpkg d-i) |
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| 23:36.58 | squisher | gsagsdf: just replace the forward quotes with straight ones (next to the enter key) and it should work |
| 23:37.47 | gsagsdf | i love you :> |
| 23:38.19 | squisher | gsagsdf: this was just because I have pitty with someone being up that long - you should really just try to sleep earlier ;-) |
| 23:38.43 | nanoed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.15 | nanoed | (sorry) |
| 23:39.26 | eduhat | http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ <---- on this page which should i download? |
| 23:39.36 | streuner | no need to, it happens here all the time... |
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| 23:39.49 | simmerz | in the hostap kernel module, I'm trying to enable firmware downloads, and following this: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ , but when i uncomment the lines (remove the #) it refuses to compile. |
| 23:39.55 | streuner | well, that's sarge/stable, eduhat |
| 23:40.08 | odla | any ideas why i can't connect to an ftp server with firefox but i can with ie? |
| 23:40.11 | eduhat | streuner: what does that mean? its old??? |
| 23:40.13 | gsagsdf | squisher: that`s the 3rd thing on my to do list from now on... Really apreciate the help. |
| 23:40.18 | odla | or with kde's ftp client |
| 23:40.22 | gsagsdf | bye guys, have fun |
| 23:40.22 | streuner | !d-i eduhat |
| 23:40.22 | dpkg | eduhat, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:40.26 | gsagsdf | and thanks for the help |
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| 23:41.25 | streuner | eduhat: desktop or server? |
| 23:41.43 | eduhat | streuner: desktop |
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| 23:42.22 | streuner | eduhat: you have two options, 1) use etch/testing or 2) sarge/stable with backports (packages which aren't supported) |
| 23:42.54 | eduhat | is the testing version supported? |
| 23:43.00 | odla | eduhat: yes |
| 23:43.05 | streuner | some people say, sarge with backports is more stable vs. etch/testing |
| 23:43.06 | eduhat | okay, ill use that |
| 23:43.16 | streuner | eduhat: sure, its debian :-) |
| 23:43.18 | odla | eduhat: testing will be released relatively soon |
| 23:43.19 | jimmypw | !screen |
| 23:43.20 | dpkg | well, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 23:43.47 | streuner | eduhat: official debian, backports are inofficial... |
| 23:44.44 | odla | eduhat: and backports are kinda supported in, iirc, on irc.debian.org #backports |
| 23:46.17 | streuner | supported = BTS and bugfixes |
| 23:46.27 | odla | ah i see |
| 23:46.42 | streuner | backports aren't supported, this channel is mostly a devel-channel |
| 23:47.00 | odla | i suppose . . . |
| 23:47.07 | streuner | in this channel are usually some DD's ... |
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| 23:47.44 | MolePrince | Hello. When I plug in my new USB wireless adapter under Debian 2.6.8-3, the module loads correctly, however ifconfig -a shows no entries for the adapter. How do I create this please? |
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| 23:49.03 | MolePrince | Never mind. I just recompiled the drivers again and it works now. :D |
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| 23:50.22 | eduhat | can any of you guys provide me with another link to download the developement edition of debian, the debian servers are down or something, i cant download from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:50.40 | streuner | hm |
| 23:50.51 | streuner | you didn't read sid faq then :-) |
| 23:51.28 | eduhat | streuner: yes i did |
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| 23:52.01 | streuner | hold on |
| 23:52.13 | Mitja | Can anyone help me get out of the libc6 trap on sarge? I installed never version because I needed tar to work, but now the C compiler won't create executables, despite that libc6 is installed. |
| 23:52.20 | Mitja | *newer |
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| 23:53.26 | simmerz | in the hostap kernel module, I'm trying to enable firmware downloads, and following this: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ , but when i uncomment the lines (remove the #) it refuses to compile. |
| 23:53.35 | simmerz | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 23:54.37 | eduhat | streuner: i need the netinstall one... |
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| 23:55.15 | streuner | eduhat: hm |
| 23:55.16 | odla | how would i get a whole directories contents via command line ftp? |
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| 23:56.25 | streuner | eduhat: i guess x86? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:57.07 | peter__ | anyone know how to block all remote outgoing/incoming layer3 from an executable /usr/local/bin/foo ? |
| 23:57.22 | peter__ | like an iptables command/ |
| 23:57.39 | MolePrince | Hm, my wireless adapter is showing up as eth1, how might I make it a wlan0 instead please? |
| 23:58.09 | eduhat | streuner: that is the link im using now, its not working... |
| 23:58.12 | Gnurdux | does it really matter? |
| 23:58.41 | petemc | peter__: iptables can block by uid, gid or pid - ive not done it myself tho |
| 23:59.03 | simmerz | are defines in kernel config supposed to start with #? or is that a comment? |
| 23:59.07 | peter__ | petemc, not by process name |
| 23:59.09 | peter__ | ? |
| 23:59.21 | peter__ | petemc, pid is dynamic |
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| 23:59.39 | petemc | peter__: not that im aware, but then im not an authority on iptables, and its subject to change |
