| 00:00.02 | SeanTater | is it okay for the ports for "rpcbind" and "auth" to be open? |
| 00:00.25 | peter__ | SeanTater, if you require RPC services |
| 00:00.58 | peter__ | SeanTater, auth should be closed |
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| 00:01.20 | odla | i can't connect to my ftp server via kftpgrabber, iceweasel, or konqueror, but i can connect via internet explorer and via FTP in CLI. i want to d/l a whole directory from my server but i'm not sure how via ftp any ideas |
| 00:01.36 | peter__ | odla, gftp |
| 00:01.44 | eduhat | streuner: can you give me another link? that one is the one that doesnt work |
| 00:01.50 | odla | i don't think that would solve my problem peter__ |
| 00:02.00 | peter__ | odla, well use ethereal to trace why then |
| 00:02.42 | peter__ | sorry wireshark |
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| 00:04.47 | streuner | eduhat: ever tried torrent? |
| 00:05.08 | eduhat | streuner: gunna try that now ;) |
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| 00:06.00 | streuner | eduhat: well, i have only the stable CD iso handy, you could upgrade to etch/testing then |
| 00:06.04 | streuner | eduhat: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
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| 00:08.11 | streuner | eduhat: that's sarge/stable - the first CD out of 14, but you need just the first one to install, everything else (if your NIC works) is an upgrade process then. |
| 00:08.28 | eduhat | okay, the link works now |
| 00:08.49 | eduhat | im downloading debian 31r4 |
| 00:09.11 | eduhat | which one is that? |
| 00:09.32 | eduhat | is that stable or devel? |
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| 00:09.37 | streuner | stable |
| 00:09.45 | eduhat | i think i want devel though... |
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| 00:09.56 | streuner | no, you don't :-) |
| 00:10.15 | eduhat | but i though stable wasnt supported... |
| 00:10.17 | simmerz | im having a problem trying to update the firmware on my prism 2.5 wireless card. I can't for the life of me get PRISM2_DOWNLOAD_SUPPORT working in the kernel. can someone help me with getting it working please? is there a module option I've missed out? |
| 00:10.35 | streuner | eduhat: no, stable is supported, just not the backports |
| 00:10.40 | streuner | !backports |
| 00:10.41 | dpkg | [backports] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 00:10.58 | eduhat | streuner: but will i have to use backports with the stable? |
| 00:11.25 | streuner | eduhat: no, but you could, there are newer packages available then |
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| 00:12.03 | eduhat | streuner: so you suggest i do use the stable version? |
| 00:12.20 | streuner | for the very first time, yes. |
| 00:12.22 | Mitja | Is it possible to "revert" the installations of newer packages with apt or dpkg to original ones? |
| 00:12.35 | streuner | eduhat: or if you running a server |
| 00:12.46 | eduhat | im running the desktop |
| 00:13.04 | eduhat | a desktop** |
| 00:13.20 | streuner | eduhat: yes, just use stable, get some experiences and see what's going on, you could upgrade to etch any time. |
| 00:14.16 | eduhat | streuner: iight, thanks for the help |
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| 00:21.49 | Fluten | how do i get rsync over ssh to connect to a box using a port other than 22? i looked in the man pages, and the options specified there do not work. I try "--rsh=ssh -p 33" and it also does not work. |
| 00:22.53 | squisher | Fluten: have you tried '--port'? (see man page) |
| 00:23.26 | squisher | Fluten: or just try hostname:port |
| 00:23.30 | jamesd__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.11 | petemc | Fluten: i use a line in ~/.ssh/config to tell it what port to use with what host |
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| 00:25.19 | petemc | Fluten: there are arguments you can pass to rysnc to do it as well, i cant recall them tho |
| 00:25.37 | xingu_ | Fluten: ... -rsh='ssh -p 33' |
| 00:25.44 | Fluten | i got it working now |
| 00:25.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | simmerz: I doubt a lot of people know. I don't even know what a prism card is... |
| 00:26.09 | Fluten | turns out i have to use -e "ssh -p 33" |
| 00:26.27 | Fluten | the --port option in the man page does nothing, so does hostname:port |
| 00:26.54 | xingu_ | it does do something, it controls what port is used for the rsync protocol |
| 00:27.08 | odla | how do i get a whole directory via CLI ftp? |
| 00:27.19 | petemc | odla: use ncftp |
| 00:27.22 | eduhat | what fs should i use? |
| 00:27.22 | xingu_ | odla: mget |
| 00:27.41 | xingu_ | odla: you may find "bin" "tick" and "prompt" useful |
| 00:27.47 | eduhat | ext3? |
| 00:27.52 | Fluten | it would seem like the --port option would also forward it to ssh |
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| 00:28.23 | squisher | odla: or lftp |
| 00:28.32 | simmerz | Dark_Apostrophe: Intersil Prism wireless network card |
| 00:28.41 | eduhat | should i use the ext3 filesystem? |
| 00:29.01 | blondie | eduhat: sure |
| 00:29.04 | eduhat | kk |
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| 00:29.51 | xingu_ | simmerz: iff you mean prism2/2.5 as supported by hostap driver then you need to build the driver to support nvram download (defaults to download to memory only, not overwrite nvram/flash) |
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| 00:30.00 | xingu_ | simmerz: if not - no idea. |
| 00:31.25 | simmerz | xingu_: I tried that, but no idea if I got the change right. im using the driver in the 2.6.17 kernel. |
| 00:31.38 | simmerz | I'll pastebin my hostap_config.h |
| 00:32.03 | xingu_ | Fluten: --port is not used when rsync protocol is not used; if neither source nor target are host::... syntax, you're not using rsync protocol |
| 00:32.57 | xingu_ | simmerz: CONFIG_HOSTAP_FIRMWARE_NVRAM depends on CONFIG_HOSTAP_FIRMWARE depends on HOSTAP |
| 00:33.35 | wellos | hmm, my cronjobs does not work |
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| 00:33.40 | wellos | in the syslog it says it executes it |
| 00:33.41 | wellos | Nov 24 01:33:02 sarah /USR/SBIN/CRON[1246]: (root) CMD (/web/app/rrdtool/eth0-graph.sh) |
| 00:33.41 | wellos | Nov 24 01:33:02 sarah /USR/SBIN/CRON[1247]: (root) CMD (/web/app/rrdtool/eth0.sh) |
| 00:33.49 | odla | ftp error http://pastebin.ca/256295 |
| 00:33.49 | wellos | but it does not :/ |
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| 00:35.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | simmerz: Never even heard of the company, much less the card |
| 00:35.04 | squisher | odla: what is supposed to be the error? |
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| 00:35.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | simmerz: Besides, I don't use wireless. I can't help you dude, sorry. |
| 00:35.15 | odla | squisher: it never gets the directories |
| 00:35.17 | simmerz | xingu_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1OK4b843.html |
| 00:35.19 | squisher | Dark_Apostrophe: prism carsd are pretty common, actually :-) |
| 00:35.29 | squisher | odla: then the server might not support passive ftp would be my guess |
| 00:35.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | squisher: I don't, and won't, use wireless. :) |
| 00:35.36 | xingu_ | they're one of the better 11b families |
| 00:35.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | squisher: Therefore I'm ignorant of all things that have to do with it. |
| 00:35.48 | squisher | Dark_Apostrophe: that's a whole different story |
| 00:35.50 | xingu_ | but they're 0xdeadbeef now, intel bought the underlying tech |
| 00:36.15 | squisher | xingu_: really? I didn't know that. How long ago did they buy them? |
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| 00:36.29 | simmerz | xingu_: i'm recompiling the kernel in case that helps it. |
| 00:36.33 | squisher | xingu_: I wonder why they'd do that - they had their own chipsets before already, didn't they? |
| 00:36.41 | simmerz | was what I sent you ok? |
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| 00:37.46 | simmerz | I'm waiting until jan to get one of these babies anyway: http://www.acer.co.uk/acereuro/page4.do?sp=page3&dau22.oid=19353&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=17&CountryISOCtxParam=UK&LanguageISOCtxParam=en&ctx3=-1&ctx4=United+Kingdom&crc=1290120462 |
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| 00:38.30 | xuser | Hi, is there something i need to install to support css in apache? |
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| 00:38.38 | kalitan | my mouse refuses to move, it was working fine all day, then it just stopped for no apparant reason, any suggestions on how to refresh it again? |
| 00:38.42 | simmerz | xuser: no. css is a browser thing |
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| 00:38.57 | xuser | simmerz: I see, thx. |
| 00:40.12 | kalitan | anyone? |
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| 00:40.31 | jamesd__ | restart X? |
| 00:40.39 | jamesd__ | unplug, replug |
| 00:40.40 | azeem | kalitan: is the keyboard still working? |
| 00:41.09 | jamesd__ | take the mouse out of the fish bowl? |
| 00:41.33 | simmerz | xingu_: is that paste ok? |
| 00:41.41 | odla | how would i change kftpgrabber to go into active mode? |
| 00:41.46 | odla | i've asked #kde btw |
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| 00:42.47 | davedward1 | anyone good with coniguring wlan cards in Debian? |
| 00:43.01 | azeem | !anyone |
| 00:43.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:43.11 | HalphaZ | hi |
| 00:43.15 | HalphaZ | what time is there? |
| 00:43.22 | davedward1 | i've been trying with kwlan wireless lan manager |
| 00:43.26 | davedward1 | yet to luck,... |
| 00:43.43 | azeem | davedward1: "no luck" is not a valid error message |
| 00:43.45 | squisher | simmerz: I'm have no clue about the prims stuff, but what you pasted seems to be part of a .h file - so that does not tell us how your kernel is configured. Try looking into your .config of the kernel, that's where the values are defined |
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| 00:44.20 | LunarCrisis | I'm trying to install pcmanfm from aptitude in testing, but as far as I can tell it has conflicting dependencies |
| 00:44.51 | simmerz | squisher: CONFIG_HOSTAP=m, CONFIG_HOSTAP_FIRMWARE=y, CONFIG_HOSTAP_FIRMWARE_NVRAM=y, CONFIG_HOSTAP_PCI=m |
| 00:44.59 | LunarCrisis | it needs both gamin and libfam0, and libgamin0 seems to conflict with libfam0 |
| 00:45.20 | azeem | LunarCrisis: did you try to apt-get install it? |
| 00:46.06 | LunarCrisis | azeem, hmm, that seems to work |
| 00:46.40 | LunarCrisis | thanks azeem |
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| 00:46.42 | azeem | LunarCrisis: that is the recommended way to install things |
| 00:46.44 | squisher | simmerz: according to what _xingu said that should be fine |
| 00:46.53 | simmerz | squisher: it doesn't appear to be! |
| 00:46.53 | azeem | well, that or using another front-end like aptitude or synaptic |
| 00:47.05 | simmerz | im recompiling again, and seeing if it makes a difference. |
| 00:47.37 | squisher | simmerz: sorry, no clue beyond that point :-) Just wanted to help out with some general knowledge |
| 00:47.43 | simmerz | squisher: thanks |
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| 00:58.29 | eduhat | can anyone please help me get x working, i just installed debian, and i did a apt-get install fluxbox, now when i type startx nothing happens |
| 00:59.17 | xingu_ | aah, I misremembered, prism was sold by intersil to conexant, not intel |
| 00:59.17 | xingu_ | they still seem to live on there |
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| 00:59.52 | xingu_ | simmerz: that config looks ok; I think the only other oddity is that the interface can't be up when you download to it |
| 01:00.13 | lucer0 | eduhat, did you install xserver? |
| 01:00.22 | xingu_ | simmerz: you are using prism2_srec with an appropriate hex image for your chip type right? |
| 01:00.30 | eduhat | lucer0: nope |
| 01:00.45 | eduhat | lucer0: would i just do a apt-get install xserver? |
| 01:01.24 | lucer0 | eduhat, what version of debian do you have? |
| 01:01.52 | eduhat | lucer0: im not for sure, i downloaded the latest stable release |
| 01:02.28 | simmerz | xingu_: yep. |
| 01:02.33 | simmerz | iwconfig down or ifconfig down? |
| 01:02.55 | lucer0 | so you have debian sarge, you must install xserver-xfree86 package |
| 01:03.23 | xingu_ | simmerz: definitely ifconfig down; unsure about any grodiness with iwconfig, I don't remember anything along those lines |
| 01:03.48 | eduhat | lucer0: allright, i did a apt get and its installing now |
| 01:04.04 | simmerz | xingu_: I'm just getting: Could no read wlan PDA. This requires PRISM2_DOWNLOAD_SUPPORT definition in driver/module/hostap_config.h |
| 01:04.06 | jmd | Why does autofs completely ignore uid= and gid= options in its config files? |
| 01:05.58 | lucer0 | eduhat, ok, then you must to configure this package, and then you can use startx command |
| 01:06.07 | xingu_ | simmerz: what can I say, the test is against the parts of the driver enabled with PRISM2_DOWNLOAD_SUPPORT, it's done with wireless extensions (same as iwpriv uses) |
| 01:06.11 | eduhat | lucer0: okay, and that startx command will start up fluxbox? |
| 01:06.32 | simmerz | im thoroughly confused now |
| 01:06.34 | xingu_ | simmerz: you have the relevant kernel CONFIG_ stuff, I assume you've actually booted the result of that build... |
| 01:06.45 | simmerz | yep. just now |
| 01:07.05 | simmerz | and before too, but recompiled now and rebooted |
| 01:07.07 | eduhat | lucer0: i have configure it and all that, so i tryed to startx and it said command not found... |
| 01:07.11 | xingu_ | simmerz: it doesn't get more complicated than that generally; what chipset is it, actually? some of them like symbol24t have no nvram at all |
| 01:07.24 | simmerz | Wavelan |
| 01:07.59 | xingu_ | simmerz: what does it log to dmesg by way of PRI and STA firmware rev? |
| 01:08.17 | simmerz | line from lspci: 02:06.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
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| 01:09.01 | simmerz | dmesg: PRI: id=0x15 v1.1.1 , STA: id=0x1f v1.5.6 |
| 01:09.09 | simmerz | I'm trying to get it to 1.7.4 to use wpa |
| 01:09.42 | simmerz | also have this line: Intersil Prism2.5 PCI: mem=0xe0500000, irq=225 |
| 01:09.59 | xingu_ | simmerz: NICID is ? |
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| 01:10.12 | simmerz | NIC: id=0x8022 v1.0.0 |
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| 01:10.56 | xingu_ | simmerz: ok that's the same controller as the t30 builtin as it happens; there's light somewhere at the end of this tunnel, you should be able to flash that guy |
| 01:11.15 | xingu_ | simmerz: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/stories/20060309_Jeff_Mottishaw_Thinkpad_T30.txt <-- success-ish case with same chipset. |
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| 01:11.22 | simmerz | xingu_: lol. |
| 01:11.30 | simmerz | ta for the link. reading it now |
| 01:12.29 | eduhat | can someone please help me get x working, when i run startx it says command not found, i have fluxbox installed as well as xserver-xfree86, and i have configure it... |
| 01:12.29 | lucer0 | eduhat, do you have x-window-system and x-window-system-core? |
| 01:12.47 | eduhat | lucer0 : nope, which one should i do first? the core or just the system? |
| 01:12.55 | yunhual | i installed debian, when i boot the machine, just can see |
| 01:12.57 | yunhual | grub > prompt , |
| 01:12.58 | yunhual | i use root, kernel ,initrd and boot command to boot mechine, |
| 01:13.00 | yunhual | i got following error. |
| 01:13.01 | yunhual | pivot_root no such file or directory |
| 01:13.03 | yunhual | /sbin/init/: 429: cannot open dev/console: no such file |
| 01:13.04 | yunhual | Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:13.26 | simmerz | xingu_: i tried to compile the module as Jeff did, but it doesn't like the modules dir in /usr/src for some reason, and complains of a lack of makefil |
| 01:13.29 | simmerz | +e |
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| 01:13.43 | eduhat | lucer0 : which should i use first? |
| 01:13.46 | lucer0 | eduhat, i think its the same, try apt-get install x-window-system x-window-system-core |
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| 01:14.31 | eduhat | allright, its isntalling |
| 01:15.12 | xingu_ | simmerz: *nod* it's a kbuild-ified makefile, there should be a README or INSTALL or something; you basically run make either in the kernel source tree or in the unpacked source tree, can't remember which, with a magic variable pointing back at the other of the two |
| 01:15.27 | xingu_ | simmerz: it's pretty straightforward follow the bouncing ball stuff once you find it |
| 01:16.11 | eduhat | lucer0 : then could i start x? |
| 01:17.48 | xingu_ | simmerz: edit the hostap Makefile, point it at your kernel source tree, then use make |
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| 01:18.34 | simmerz | xingu_: just done that. changed the KERNEL_PATH to point at /usr/src/linux |
| 01:18.35 | simmerz | still errors |
| 01:18.39 | xingu_ | simmerz: I was sure it was kbuildified these days, hmm; anyway, if you do it with Makefile edit then make - do not forget to first edit hostap_config.h |
| 01:19.04 | xingu_ | really? I'll grab it, I'm going 100% off memory here |
| 01:19.23 | simmerz | cheers |
| 01:20.09 | PumpkinPie | I have 3 1U servers with stuff in them on top of each other, on top of a small tv. |
| 01:20.25 | PumpkinPie | I just hope we dont get that big california earth quake any time soon |
| 01:21.10 | PumpkinPie | its a risk im willing to take |
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| 01:22.19 | simmerz | xingu_: I'm getting No rule to make target errors |
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| 01:24.17 | helo | http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html#isitin says mplayer has been in etch since oct '06, but apt-get install mplayer doesn't find the package... has mplayer been removed from debian again? |
| 01:24.59 | helo | ahh, i guess i have to manually download it |
| 01:25.01 | PumpkinPie | nothing says Im thankful like consuming a lot of turkey |
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| 01:25.58 | xingu_ | simmerz: mmm; the in-kernel version has certainly diverged, and the ex-kernel version isn't buildable in this form; you might be stuffed. |
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| 01:26.25 | simmerz | xingu_: thats ridiculous! |
| 01:26.27 | unlink | why am i missing the inotify headers (on unstable) and getting linker errors with the program i'm compiling? i thought sys/inotify.h came with glibc... |
| 01:26.28 | xingu_ | simmerz: lemme see how big a stick it needs to be hit with; the in-kernel one has been part-shifted to the common 80211 stack |
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| 01:27.03 | simmerz | they have to be complicated dont they! lol |
| 01:27.04 | unlink | (i have the manpages for inotify) |
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| 01:29.28 | unlink | google has very little relevant (as far as i see) |
| 01:30.03 | gctaylor | In etch, if I want to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8-3-386 to => 2.6.15 do I need to compile a custom kernel? I can't see a kernel-image in aptitude or packages.debian.org. |
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| 01:31.41 | blondie | gctaylor: why not a later one that 2.6.15? |
| 01:32.10 | blondie | gctaylor: but it's called linux-image now not kernel-image |
| 01:32.23 | gctaylor | blondie: > than 2.6.15 is okay, I just need at least that for udev according my boot up message. |
| 01:33.03 | tengulre | anybody running the Bea(Weblogic) on linux platform? |
| 01:33.12 | jovans | i've got problems with my sound device |
| 01:33.37 | gctaylor | blondie: I see it now. Thanks. |
| 01:34.02 | jovans | open /dev/[sound/]dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 01:34.08 | jovans | what can i do |
| 01:34.12 | jovans | ? |
| 01:34.18 | jovans | no sound |
| 01:34.35 | jovans | all modules are loaded alsa works |
| 01:34.58 | jovans | but /dev/[sound/]dsp not acessible |
| 01:35.02 | jovans | as root also |
| 01:35.07 | LightKnight | /dev/dsp is the OSS sound device, you should not use that with ALSA :) |
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| 01:35.46 | LightKnight | Anyhow, check with "fuser /dev/dsp" or "lsof /dev/dsp" if there's something keeping it busy :) |
| 01:35.52 | Azar | jovans find out how your oss module is called and remove it from the modules list |
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| 01:36.01 | simmerz | xingu_: any luck? |
| 01:36.51 | jovans | where can i remove the module? |
| 01:37.09 | jovans | linux:/dev# lsof /dev/dsp |
| 01:37.09 | jovans | linux:/dev# |
| 01:37.11 | lucer0 | eduhat, that might work |
| 01:37.17 | gctaylor | Can I safely assume in aptitude that if I install linux-image-2.6-686, it will get update whenever I update, but if I install linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 it will stay at that version until I pick a later kernel image? |
| 01:37.52 | Azar | jovans paste the content of your /etc/modules in a paster and show it here |
| 01:38.00 | gctaylor | Even though I might have updated the rest of the system? |
| 01:38.13 | jovans | paster |
| 01:38.15 | jovans | ? |
| 01:38.18 | Azar | !paster |
| 01:38.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:38.34 | xingu_ | simmerz: getting there. |
| 01:38.52 | simmerz | cool |
| 01:39.20 | jovans | ok it's done |
| 01:39.22 | jovans | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4585 |
| 01:39.56 | eduhat | lucer0 : what might work? |
| 01:40.04 | Azar | ew |
| 01:40.09 | eduhat | lucer0 : i missed it, i was eating dinner... |
| 01:40.19 | Azar | jovans you do not even have the oss modules.. what distro are you using? |
| 01:40.30 | jovans | debian sid |
| 01:40.35 | jovans | unstable |
| 01:40.35 | Azar | ew ok |
| 01:40.48 | Azar | you need to install alsa |
| 01:40.55 | jovans | alsa is installed |
| 01:40.58 | lucer0 | eduhat, if you install x-window-system and x-window-system-core you should run startx |
| 01:40.59 | Azar | I do not see any sound module on your stuff |
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| 01:41.14 | eduhat | lucer0 : i got an error after running startx saying this: Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices |
| 01:41.16 | jovans | its loaded with the kernel i think |
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| 01:41.45 | Azar | jovans: if you were using Sarge I would have recommended you alsa one liner but you are using sid... sorry I do not know how things get installed in sid |
| 01:41.54 | LightKnight | Either they're built-in or they're loaded on demand when a sound app is fired. |
| 01:42.08 | Azar | jovans: ask again maybe someone using sid can guide you |
| 01:42.26 | LightKnight | What about "lsmod | grep ^snd"? |
| 01:42.33 | jovans | before i used etch and was the same problem |
| 01:42.45 | jovans | today i have updated to sid |
| 01:42.47 | Azar | jovans: listen to LightKnight he is more experimented |
| 01:42.51 | eduhat | lucer0 : what can i do to get x to work? |
| 01:43.21 | jovans | LightKnight ok |
| 01:43.35 | jovans | one moment |
| 01:43.54 | LightKnight | oki :) |
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| 01:44.31 | jovans | LightKnight here is it |
| 01:44.32 | jovans | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4586 |
| 01:44.38 | xingu_ | simmerz: nope; get as far as actually getting it to start the build, and the source errors out quite badly; see line 49 in hostap.c; also MODULE_PARM syntax has changed and left hostap_ap.c behind |
| 01:44.57 | simmerz | xingu_: bugger |
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| 01:45.12 | simmerz | so not much I can do then? |
| 01:45.17 | xingu_ | simmerz: dunno what to suggest; there's a win32 tool from back in the day for this too; maybe tro the shmoo mailing list |
| 01:45.26 | dacoto | anyone know of a linux friendly site you can download/rent legal movies? |
| 01:45.44 | simmerz | xingu_: would the win32 tool be able to do it via wine? |
| 01:46.01 | xingu_ | simmerz: proverbial rock and hard place, I can't turn up anything recently on the mailinglist about it; most folk with prisms have long since patched to 1.7 or 1.8 firmware, in the 2.6.10 or so timeframe |
| 01:46.11 | xingu_ | simmerz: -ENOCLUE, I don't do wine |
| 01:46.17 | LightKnight | jovans: seems you have all ALSA and OSS modules loaded. |
| 01:46.23 | jovans | yes |
| 01:46.29 | LightKnight | jovans: what application are you trying to start? |
| 01:46.45 | simmerz | xingu_: the machine was a winxp machine and dying, i gave it a new lease of life with linux and now its being a pain! lol |
| 01:46.49 | jovans | ut2004, audacity and all other |
| 01:46.51 | xingu_ | simmerz: thing is that prisms are ooooooold and the people who used them have moved on to the newer 802.11g and 802.11 pre-n stuff |
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| 01:47.11 | LightKnight | Audacity definitely needs OSS. |
| 01:47.21 | xingu_ | simmerz: me included, you're really dredging memories here for me |
| 01:47.22 | simmerz | xingu_: i have a netgear 54mbps pcmcia card, but its busted! |
| 01:47.33 | LightKnight | But still you should be able to fire it up with the ALSA/OSS compatibility layer. |
| 01:47.38 | simmerz | xingu_: thanks for your help! |
| 01:47.46 | jovans | it is installed too |
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| 01:48.03 | xingu_ | simmerz: next stop should be the shmoo mailinglist; jouini and pavel are both awake-ish and might be interested if you point out your problems |
| 01:48.05 | eduhat | i get an error after running startx saying this: Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices; what does this error mean? and how could i fix it? |
| 01:48.08 | jovans | but i don't know if it's loaded |
| 01:48.16 | jovans | or how |
| 01:48.22 | LightKnight | jovans: try closing all the programs using the sound device and opening only audacity |
| 01:48.37 | jovans | no changes |
| 01:48.38 | xingu_ | simmerz: looks like pism2_srec might have been busted maybe even with a wireless extentions revision bump; there might be a new way to do it say via a firmware class in sysfs |
| 01:48.47 | LightKnight | Hmmm. Weird. |
| 01:48.59 | xingu_ | simmerz: I bet thats what they'll do in the long run; whether or not there's a way to do it today... that I don't know |
| 01:49.15 | simmerz | hmm |
| 01:49.16 | jovans | when i am using debian i have always this problem with sound |
| 01:49.28 | LightKnight | jovans: try installing aoss and then run "aoss audacity". |
| 01:49.33 | jovans | under ubuntu works |
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| 01:50.03 | jovans | but mplayer cannot access too |
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| 01:50.28 | jovans | i have cjoose alsa modul but cannot acces |
| 01:50.44 | eduhat | i get an error after running startx saying this: Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices; How could i fix this? |
| 01:50.54 | LightKnight | jovans: sure you don't have some strange server holding your sound device busy? No Esound/ARTS at all? |
| 01:50.56 | jovans | aoss is not in the repo of debian |
| 01:51.03 | xingu_ | simmerz: my current notebook doesn't even *have* cardbus/ pcmcia, that's how far behind the curve you are. :) |
| 01:51.08 | LightKnight | jovans: aoss must be there :) |
| 01:51.14 | jovans | no esound and no arts |
| 01:51.19 | jovans | arts is not installed |
| 01:51.27 | jovans | no is not in the repo |
| 01:51.37 | simmerz | xingu_: like i say its an old laptop. I'm getting an acer 8215wlmi in jan |
| 01:51.50 | jovans | it is in german |
| 01:51.50 | LightKnight | jovans: alsa-oss, sorry :-) |
| 01:51.51 | jovans | linux:/dev# apt-get install aoss |
| 01:51.51 | jovans | Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig |
| 01:51.51 | jovans | Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig |
| 01:51.51 | jovans | E: Konnte Paket aoss nicht finden |
| 01:51.51 | jovans | linux:/dev# |
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| 01:52.17 | LightKnight | Poor boy. |
| 01:52.26 | eduhat | can someone please help me get x working? |
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| 01:52.46 | LightKnight | jovans: alsa-oss, sorry :-) |
| 01:52.52 | xingu_ | simmerz: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ |
| 01:52.55 | jovans | LightNight alsa-oss was installed |
| 01:53.02 | LightKnight | uhm |
| 01:53.02 | simmerz | xingu_: seen it. doesn't work |
| 01:53.06 | jovans | and is installed |
| 01:53.08 | LightKnight | then fire "aoss audacity" :) |
| 01:53.08 | simmerz | :-( |
| 01:53.13 | rvsjoen | eduhat: did you configure xorg ? |
| 01:53.15 | xingu_ | simmerz: winupdate.exe does. |
| 01:53.17 | rsk | if i have 2 soundcards and debian detects them both |
| 01:53.19 | xingu_ | simmerz: :) |
| 01:53.22 | simmerz | xingu_: ah right |
| 01:53.25 | rsk | i want the second one default |
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| 01:53.30 | rsk | i can do that in some apps |
| 01:53.34 | eduhat | rvsjoen: i think the problem is, is that my mouse isnt getting started or something |
| 01:53.41 | jovans | ok works |
| 01:53.42 | rsk | bot how do i do it system-wide? |
| 01:53.51 | simmerz | xingu_: don't have windows. can i do it via wine? |
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| 01:53.56 | jovans | wat about mplayer that cannot acess alsa device and ut2004 |
| 01:53.58 | jovans | ? |
| 01:54.00 | xingu_ | simmerz: like I said, I don't do wine |
| 01:54.06 | simmerz | ah |
| 01:54.17 | rvsjoen | eduhat: run 'dpkg-reconfigure xorg' and choose the correct options, if that doesn't work put xorg.conf in a pastebin |
| 01:54.19 | simmerz | xingu_: try and see i suppose |
| 01:54.22 | xingu_ | simmerz: no idea about the protection model wine uses |
| 01:54.29 | eduhat | rvsjoen: because i see that after the mouse thing tries to start, it says that No core pointer, and stuff like that? |
| 01:54.34 | Guerin | jovans: /msg dpkg audio |
| 01:54.39 | LightKnight | jovans: quit audacity, run "fuser /dev/snd/*" and "lsof /dev/snd/*". |
| 01:54.49 | rvsjoen | that is certainly a missing mouse :) |
| 01:54.51 | xingu_ | simmerz: if time is infinite - give it a shot; if you need something to work - do a mini win2k install and use winupdate |
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| 01:55.16 | xingu_ | simmerz: or take the card somewhere where win32 lives, which is what I did |
| 01:55.25 | simmerz | xingu_: its built in |
| 01:55.28 | jovans | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.34 | xingu_ | hoo boy. |
| 01:55.38 | simmerz | I have fun! |
| 01:55.39 | simmerz | lol |
| 01:55.40 | eduhat | rvsjoen : im ont using xorg, im using xfree86, shouldnt i be using xorg though, or is xfree86 good? |
| 01:55.47 | xingu_ | ok |
| 01:55.57 | xingu_ | its getting on for time to disappear for a bit |
| 01:56.20 | simmerz | yeah same here. so best way would be to install win2k and sort it out from there. |
| 01:56.25 | rvsjoen | I can't remember the command for xfree86 config.. is it 'xf86config' ? |
| 01:56.35 | LightKnight | jovans: yes, try that too :) |
| 01:56.40 | xingu_ | simmerz: try wine, might work; definitely mail the mailinglist with a report like the first link I showed, with prism2_diag output etc so they know there's a problem; go from there I guess |
| 01:56.42 | simmerz | xingu_: thanks for the help though. and the pointers |
| 01:56.50 | jovans | ok here |
| 01:56.50 | jovans | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4587 |
| 01:56.55 | LightKnight | jovans: although I don't know how much it will tell you of what you don't know already :) |
| 01:57.07 | jovans | ;) |
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| 01:57.26 | xingu_ | simmerz: if its busted, then CONFIG_... should depend on BROKEN so it doesn't confuse |
| 01:57.31 | rvsjoen | eduhat: or have a look at the xdebconfigurator package maybe ? |
| 01:57.45 | LightKnight | jovans: you have ESD and UT2004 holding your sound devices busy. Try shutting 'em down :) |
| 01:57.50 | simmerz | yeah, i would have thought so too |
| 01:57.57 | xingu_ | simmerz: you might want to put that into your mail too, the business about making the kernel config option depend on BROKEN if it is |
| 01:58.05 | jovans | he |
| 01:58.06 | simmerz | ok |
| 01:58.07 | jovans | esd? |
| 01:58.24 | jovans | dont run as a service |
| 01:58.26 | LightKnight | jovans: Yes, "lsof" shows ESD active. |
| 01:58.29 | xingu_ | anyway |
| 01:58.35 | xingu_ | its been a fun trip down memory lane |
| 01:58.53 | LightKnight | jovans: I see a strange "mixer_app" too. |
| 01:59.04 | jovans | ??? |
| 01:59.07 | simmerz | xingu_: glad to be of service! |
| 01:59.29 | xingu_ | simmerz: seen this? http://tools.collegeterrace.net/prismfw/ |
| 01:59.44 | xingu_ | simmerz: one other approach, boot a floopy boot environment with a flashing happy hostap driver... |
| 01:59.52 | jovans | where i shutting down esd? |
| 01:59.56 | LightKnight | jovans: try to review lsof's output: there's stuff there using your PCMs |
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| 02:00.25 | simmerz | xingu_: gotta find a flashing happy hostap driver! |
| 02:00.29 | LightKnight | jovans: I don't remember, actually I think I never used it myself. |
| 02:00.38 | simmerz | xingu_: wonder if the UBCD can help out on this one? |
| 02:00.42 | jovans | but gnome use it? |
| 02:00.50 | LightKnight | jovans: Guess so. |
| 02:00.54 | LightKnight | Using Gnome? |
| 02:01.00 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 02:01.01 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 02:01.16 | xingu_ | simmerz: there's one right there on that page |
| 02:01.26 | xingu_ | simmerz: openap-ct-...boot-img.gz |
| 02:01.29 | simmerz | ah ok |
| 02:01.32 | simmerz | now i need a floppy |
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| 02:01.44 | LightKnight | Guerin: Thank you, sometimes dmix escapes me :) |
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| 02:02.03 | Guerin | it does run pretty fast... |
| 02:03.00 | simmerz | xingu_: can't see the boot-img.gz file anywhere. is it under the openap-ct link? |
| 02:03.15 | simmerz | ah got it |
| 02:03.57 | Guerin | simonrvn: oy! |
| 02:04.05 | simonrvn | oy |
| 02:04.09 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:04.11 | simmerz | xingu_: do i just dd that over to the floppy? once is gunzipped of course |
| 02:04.24 | simmerz | i'll read the instructions first |
| 02:04.48 | Azar | rvsjoen: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:05.21 | simonrvn | !tell OmarCueva -about root |
| 02:05.49 | eduhat | rvsjoen : still doesnt work, comes with the same error about the mouse |
| 02:06.16 | LightKnight | Does anybody run wengophone from Etch successfully? I seemingly cannot login to my wengo account and I receive strange "audio configuration error" messages. |
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| 02:11.18 | eduhat | would this command work? apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:11.31 | Guerin | eduhat: suck it and see |
| 02:12.15 | eduhat | yeah.. it didnt, i need to use xorg rather then xfree86, xfree86 isnt working right now |
| 02:12.26 | eduhat | keeps giving me some error |
| 02:12.37 | LightKnight | apt-get install xorg, I'd say |
| 02:13.08 | eduhat | didnt work |
| 02:13.38 | sanxiyn | eduhat: how? |
| 02:13.40 | LightKnight | Uhm... what Debian are you using? |
| 02:13.40 | eduhat | i guess i need to use xfree86, can somone please help me get it working? |
| 02:14.07 | sanxiyn | eduhat: What error does /var/log/XFree(blah) log file report? |
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| 02:16.08 | eduhat | sanxiyn: it says: says that it cant open device "/dev/input/mice" No such device |
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| 02:16.08 | sanxiyn | Great. I guess others can help now :) |
| 02:16.15 | LightKnight | eduhat: Bingo. You oughta reconfigure the mouse device. |
| 02:16.47 | eduhat | LightKnight: is there a command to do that? |
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| 02:17.08 | LightKnight | Are you using xorg or xfree86 right now? I don't remember :) |
| 02:17.17 | eduhat | xfree86 |
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| 02:18.24 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Apparently, there's no device file at /dev/input/mice. |
| 02:18.47 | LightKnight | eduhat: try "dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common" |
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| 02:19.36 | LightKnight | eduhat: when it comes down to choosing the mouse device, try "/dev/psaux". |
| 02:19.42 | eduhat | okay, it ran, nothing happened or anything |
| 02:19.49 | eduhat | LightKnight: im using a laptop** |
| 02:20.00 | LightKnight | Oh. |
| 02:20.03 | LightKnight | Uhm... |
| 02:20.03 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Is mouse connected with PS or USB |
| 02:20.09 | eduhat | laptop |
| 02:20.15 | eduhat | vsny br udb |
| 02:20.20 | eduhat | cant be usb* |
| 02:20.25 | sanxiyn | ? |
| 02:20.35 | sanxiyn | Or, are you using touchpad? |
| 02:20.37 | magyar | hi, is there a reason why my IMAP mailfolder is not being displayrd properly, mails dated on 21 are shown with todays mail? |
| 02:20.45 | eduhat | sanxiyn: yep, a touch pad |
| 02:20.46 | LightKnight | eduhat: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 02:20.59 | LightKnight | Oh. So, no psaux at all. |
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| 02:22.02 | LightKnight | Uhm... I'm trying googling on the subject, maybe psaux is the way. |
| 02:22.11 | LightKnight | Give it a try, it can't go worse than this :-) |
| 02:22.15 | eduhat | LightKnight: so what would i use? |
| 02:22.29 | LightKnight | /dev/psaux, give it a try. |
| 02:22.35 | eduhat | iight |
| 02:23.28 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Can you tell us model name of your laptop? |
| 02:23.31 | eduhat | now what entry best describes my mouse? ps/2, ImPS/2, GlidepointPS/2... |
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| 02:23.43 | eduhat | sanxiyn: its a compaq armada e500 |
| 02:23.56 | LightKnight | eduhat: but maybe it's better for you to go to http://www.linux-laptop.net/ or http://tuxmobil.org/ and look for your laptop model there. |
| 02:24.32 | LightKnight | eduhat: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/compaq.html |
| 02:24.41 | LightKnight | there's something for your e500 there. |
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| 02:27.33 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Which version of Debian are you trying to install? |
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| 02:29.04 | eduhat | sanxiyn: its already installed, its just that i need to get x working, its the latest version of stable debian |
| 02:29.38 | sanxiyn | eduhat: http://kirya.net/articles/debian-gnulinux-on-a-compaq-armada-e500/ suggests that one should install xfree86-driver-synaptics. |
| 02:29.45 | Azar | wait a second, what is that: latest version of stable debian? |
| 02:29.53 | sanxiyn | Azar: aka Sarge. |
| 02:29.56 | LightKnight | I'd guess it's Sarge :) |
| 02:29.58 | Azar | eduhat: state the name of your Debian distro |
| 02:30.05 | Azar | sanxiyn: that sounded weird |
| 02:30.18 | eduhat | its sarge... |
| 02:30.21 | Azar | eduhat: find out the version number of your Debian-Linux |
| 02:30.35 | sanxiyn | eduhat: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:30.58 | eduhat | 3.1 |
| 02:31.06 | Azar | ok |
| 02:31.15 | Azar | eduhat: what video card are you using? |
| 02:31.41 | sanxiyn | Azar: Compaq Armada e500. |
| 02:31.53 | Azar | ew, thats a builtin video |
| 02:32.00 | magyar | hi anyone using courier imap? |
| 02:32.13 | sanxiyn | eduhat: As far as I can find out, touchpad is PS/2 and can be used with synaptics driver. |
| 02:32.19 | eduhat | oh okay |
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| 02:33.27 | Azar | eduhat: the right way is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 02:33.51 | eduhat | well x starts now, but the mouse is really wierd... |
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| 02:34.21 | Azar | glidepoint is used for touchpads, Iused one |
| 02:34.40 | eduhat | what drivers do i need to install? |
| 02:34.54 | eduhat | apt-get install xfree86-synaptic-drivers? |
| 02:34.54 | magyar | i have problems with a maildir for one user, emails dated with november 21 are comming in today |
| 02:35.03 | sanxiyn | eduhat: I *think* it is xfree86-driver-synaptics. Or do you already have it? |
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| 02:35.40 | Azar | eduhat: you can use "apt-cache search "the-name-of-what-you-need" |
| 02:35.58 | eduhat | okay, its installed now, what do i have to do to enable it? |
| 02:36.02 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Nothing. |
| 02:36.18 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Reconfigure and choose /dev/psaux. |
| 02:36.20 | Azar | maybe exit X then go back to X |
| 02:36.36 | litage | what should be in /etc/environment ? |
| 02:36.48 | sanxiyn | litage: Normally, nothing. |
| 02:37.04 | Azar | sanxiyn: isn't where bash scripts are kept? |
| 02:37.17 | eduhat | brb |
| 02:37.19 | sanxiyn | Azar: Eh? |
| 02:37.31 | Azar | sanxiyn: ew, sorry my mind was elsewhere |
| 02:38.42 | litage | sanxiyn: my /etc/environment contains three lines: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NOTr5832.html isn't it missing LC_ALL? |
| 02:39.04 | sanxiyn | litage: If LC_ALL is missing, it should follow LANG. |
| 02:40.36 | litage | sanxiyn: why do you say that /etc/environment is normally empty? |
| 02:40.53 | sanxiyn | Because it is... Ah, sorry, it is, on unstable. |
| 02:41.03 | sanxiyn | Locales are now configured in /etc/default/locale |
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| 02:42.03 | sanxiyn | /etc/environment is configuration file for PAM. |
| 02:42.11 | sanxiyn | It is read by pam_env.so. |
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| 02:42.22 | eduhat | okay, x is up and running :D |
| 02:42.32 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Heh, that sounds great. |
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| 02:42.35 | sanxiyn | eduhat: Mouse is okay too? |
| 02:42.41 | eduhat | yep |
| 02:42.56 | eduhat | i found out its a PS/2 mouse |
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| 02:44.07 | litage | thanks sanxiyn |
| 02:44.42 | litage | btw, in etch, according to `dpkg -S /etc/environment`, it doesn't belong to any package...odd |
| 02:46.25 | SerajewelKS | !find etc/environment |
| 02:47.11 | litage | SerajewelKS: does that usually spit out a response to everyone, or privately to you? |
| 02:47.22 | SerajewelKS | everyone |
| 02:47.30 | eduhat | i have a xdm x manager, how do i delete it? |
| 02:47.32 | SerajewelKS | i haven't got an error yet though |
| 02:47.40 | SerajewelKS | eduhat: dpkg -r xdm |
| 02:47.44 | eduhat | that way i could use the command startx to get into fluxbox? |
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| 02:47.47 | afaik | hi all |
| 02:47.51 | afaik | I have debian sid |
| 02:47.59 | afaik | I apt-get installed firefox |
| 02:48.03 | afaik | I run the firefox |
| 02:48.06 | afaik | it does nothing |
| 02:48.10 | litage | SerajewelKS: does it usually say that it couldn't find the file? |
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| 02:48.13 | LightKnight | afaik: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 02:48.15 | afaik | I run the firefox from the commandline |
| 02:48.21 | SerajewelKS | litage: to me, yes |
| 02:48.22 | afaik | it does nothing |
| 02:48.28 | afaik | takes me back to the prompt |
| 02:48.31 | afaik | LightKnight, I will try |
| 02:48.54 | afaik | LightKnight, |
| 02:48.54 | afaik | iceweasel is already the newest version. |
| 02:49.04 | LightKnight | afaik: iceweasel is the name of firefox in Debian (currently only in sid, but soon also in etch) for copyright issues. |
| 02:49.13 | afaik | I run the firefox as the root, it does nothing |
| 02:49.14 | LightKnight | afaik: so, run iceweasel instead of firefox. |
| 02:49.18 | sanxiyn | LightKnight: Trademark issue. |
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| 02:49.31 | LightKnight | sanxiyn: OK, thank you :-) |
| 02:49.35 | afaik | I run iceweasel |
| 02:49.38 | afaik | it does nothing |
| 02:49.42 | sanxiyn | Strange. |
| 02:49.43 | afaik | takes me back the prompt |
| 02:49.44 | sanxiyn | Works for me :( |
| 02:49.45 | LightKnight | OK, THAT is strange :-) |
| 02:49.47 | afaik | nothing spit out,, nothing said |
| 02:49.51 | widrone | afaik: Why as root btw? You are logged into your X session as root? |
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| 02:50.12 | afaik | no processes in mempry |
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| 02:50.24 | sanxiyn | Indeed. Running firefox as root is very strange. |
| 02:50.24 | afaik | widrone, no.. I tried it as a regular user, and it did nothing |
| 02:50.25 | LightKnight | afaik: try running iceweasel as your normal user. |
| 02:50.29 | LightKnight | Oh, sorry. |
| 02:50.33 | afaik | so I tried it as root to just see if the damn thing would work |
| 02:50.43 | afaik | maybe the permissions were messed up I hoped. Nope. |
| 02:50.53 | MolePrince | Hello, has anyone had success setting up suspend2 on Debian sarge stable 2.6.8-3 please? |
| 02:50.57 | Firztspawn | anyone ever got a usb printer (local) to share with a windows 9x machine via samba? |
| 02:51.33 | afaik | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:51.33 | afaik | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 02:51.39 | afaik | when I do apt-get update |
| 02:51.46 | Firztspawn | cups works fine, and samba shares all other directories, just not the printer |
| 02:51.51 | afaik | IT TELLS ME TO RUN 'apt-get update to correct these problems'! |
| 02:52.20 | ben_h | afaik: you're on etch? |
| 02:52.24 | ben_h | afaik: i had the same thing yesterday |
| 02:52.27 | afaik | etch? |
| 02:52.28 | ben_h | i just ignored it :0 |
| 02:52.29 | ben_h | :) |
| 02:52.43 | ben_h | as in debian etch |
| 02:52.45 | sanxiyn | afaik: apt-key update |
| 02:52.45 | ben_h | as in testing |
| 02:52.50 | LightKnight | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring, latest version fixes. |
| 02:53.11 | sanxiyn | afaik: 6070D3A1 is the new etch key. |
| 02:54.01 | Firztspawn | ok, anyone share a printer via samba in here? |
| 02:54.09 | afaik | ERROR: Can't find the archive-keyring |
| 02:54.09 | afaik | Is the debian-keyring package installed? |
| 02:54.24 | LightKnight | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring :-) |
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| 02:54.31 | afaik | installing it.. |
| 02:54.41 | afaik | god |
| 02:54.48 | afaik | I cannot go online web wise |
| 02:55.04 | afaik | fucking konqueror is broken or something,, cannot get to firefox site to download |
| 02:55.23 | ben_h | sabotage! blocking the competition |
| 02:55.25 | Guerin | afaik: ping google.com |
| 02:55.30 | Guerin | afaik: what happens? |
| 02:55.33 | afaik | whenever I submit a cgi query (ANYWHERE) fucking konqueror downloads the target page to my disk |
| 02:55.38 | afaik | Guerin, not a network problem |
| 02:55.55 | Guerin | afaik: oh. use lynx |
| 02:55.58 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Hi, long time no see. |
| 02:55.58 | Guerin | or something |
| 02:56.01 | afaik | lol |
| 02:56.02 | ben_h | lol |
| 02:56.07 | ben_h | that's not exactly a solution :) |
| 02:56.07 | Guerin | sounds like konqueror being useless, per usual |
| 02:56.13 | Guerin | sanxiyn: hey, how are you? |
| 02:56.18 | LightKnight | lynx, links, links2 :) |
| 02:56.27 | cast | w3m! |
| 02:56.28 | LightKnight | Why not Mosaic? :-) *joking* |
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| 02:56.57 | Guerin | noes! |
| 02:56.59 | Xenguy | ben_h: that's Internet Exploder isn't it :p |
| 02:57.00 | ben_h | oh that's right. i went there. |
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| 02:57.56 | sanxiyn | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer |
| 02:58.14 | sanxiyn | (Recommended) |
| 02:59.01 | Xenguy | haha |
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| 02:59.49 | afaik | ha |
| 02:59.56 | afaik | I use lynx to download the fox |
| 03:00.06 | afaik | konqueror just sucks, as usual |
| 03:00.27 | Guerin | kde is bad and wrong |
| 03:00.33 | Guerin | but not so bad and wrong as gnome |
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| 03:00.48 | sanxiyn | Maozilla is a mythical communist monster, created from the DNA of Chairman Mao. A symbol of the Communist Party's greatness and power, Maozilla disappeared after his defeat against Godzilla in 1969. |
| 03:01.04 | afaik | Guerin, that why I wnet back to just using just the console |
| 03:01.19 | sanxiyn | I run IceWM these days. |
| 03:01.24 | afaik | I am a Commandline Commando |
| 03:01.29 | Guerin | evilmw for me. |
| 03:01.35 | Guerin | s/mw/wm/ |
| 03:01.35 | LightKnight | WMaker RuleZ! :-) |
| 03:01.43 | Guerin | sanxiyn: how's Korea? |
| 03:01.52 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Usual. |
| 03:01.59 | sanxiyn | NK is scary, as usual. |
| 03:02.19 | Guerin | sanxiyn: yeah. Big backlash over the bomb? |
| 03:02.24 | sanxiyn | As usual of this time (November), there's university exam fever, etc. |
| 03:02.51 | Guerin | sanxiyn: right. I'm back in NZ, at grad skool. Just starting summer semester. |
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| 03:03.16 | afaik | uh oh |
| 03:03.22 | afaik | SOMETHING'S GOING DOWN! |
| 03:03.28 | sanxiyn | Summer! good for you. |
| 03:03.43 | Guerin | sanxiyn: yeah :) |
| 03:04.19 | sanxiyn | Mr. Ban (Ban Kimoon) is to become UNSG. I am confused about how I should feel about that. |
| 03:04.54 | Guerin | sanxiyn: he's a good candidate, a moderate, and conciliatory. |
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| 03:05.40 | sanxiyn | Guerin: I am talking about economic tactics used to secure the place. |
| 03:06.14 | Guerin | sanxiyn: ah, I'm unaware of those. |
| 03:07.06 | sanxiyn | Guerin: As a SK minister of foreign affairs, he promised trade agreements and aids to some members of security council. |
| 03:07.41 | Guerin | aha |
| 03:07.51 | afaik | I guess I'll install galeon |
| 03:07.57 | afaik | and use that for meh web browsin |
| 03:08.05 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Ok, getting too OT. |
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| 03:08.37 | Guerin | sanxiyn: i had a motorbike accident 4 months into my world trip and had to come home. :( |
| 03:08.40 | afaik | I cannot believe that konqueror wont let me download firefox |
| 03:09.45 | Xenguy | afaik: wget! |
| 03:10.37 | Xenguy | .oO(what am I saying? apt-get!) |
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| 03:11.45 | afaik | nothing says fun like creating a directory in a user's home dir named "investigation" and setting the permissions so they can't go inside it |
| 03:12.01 | afaik | making it in all caps just adds to the fun ;) |
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| 03:12.06 | Guerin | afaik: haha |
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| 03:26.00 | linux3 | hey everyone |
| 03:26.05 | cusco_ | hi ya |
| 03:26.05 | linux3 | i am trying to setup mythtv |
| 03:26.12 | linux3 | but none such luck |
| 03:26.21 | linux3 | it is giving me this error when i start the backend |
| 03:26.29 | linux3 | mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket |
| 03:26.47 | linux3 | o and my applolgies for any typos, im reading this all on a tv, so its a tad hard |
| 03:27.23 | cusco | never fiddled with mythtv |
| 03:27.25 | cusco | :/ |
| 03:27.49 | linux3 | yeah and i searched online but didn't get much |
| 03:27.50 | widrone | linux3: Not that I am a mythperson, but what you running it as? Root or regular user? And stable/unstable from source etc? |
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| 03:30.10 | widrone | linux3: And there should be a mythtv-users channel around here too incase you need some experts. |
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| 03:30.57 | linux3 | widrone, yeah i already checked that channe;. they don't like to respond. and im running it as root |
| 03:31.10 | linux3 | the backend as root |
| 03:31.14 | linux3 | and it just gives me that error |
| 03:31.16 | linux3 | im not sure why |
| 03:31.51 | widrone | linux3: it tries to open 2 ports rite? And they are not taken by anything else? (Im guessing based on google here) :) |
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| 03:33.22 | linux3 | widrone, well i am assuming they are not, and from what i can see they are not |
| 03:33.31 | linux3 | widrone, have any commands i should run to double check that |
| 03:33.53 | dr_marlowe | hi, im using debian and im assuming im using xdm, because the login screen has no menus... how can i manually switch to kdm which i have installed? |
| 03:34.03 | widrone | netstat -ln (shows listening ports in numerical) |
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| 03:38.26 | Varange | hi people |
| 03:38.38 | linux3 | No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. |
| 03:38.38 | linux3 | Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page |
| 03:38.38 | linux3 | of the general settings. |
| 03:38.47 | linux3 | that is the error i get when i run mythbackend directly |
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| 03:38.56 | secher | In a fit of frustration, I blew away some files and directories that ought not to have been blown away. Luckily, the install is minimal at this point. How do I tell Debian to go through and reinstall all currently installed packages? |
| 03:38.56 | linux3 | i am unsure what setup program it is talking about |
| 03:39.01 | Varange | I give up. Just installed php5 on my brand new debian box at work here, and phpinfo tells me it's all there. |
| 03:39.05 | dr_marlowe | hello, im using debian and im assuming im using xdm, because the login screen has no menus... how can i manually switch to kdm which i have installed? |
| 03:39.11 | Varange | but the mysql module is missing |
| 03:39.26 | secher | Well, in a fit of frustration sourced stupidity, een. |
| 03:40.04 | Varange | how do I get the mysql stuff into php5? |
| 03:40.18 | Phated | dr_marlowe: Remove xdm :) |
| 03:40.29 | dr_marlowe | hehe smart |
| 03:40.45 | Phated | Also works. Or use update-rc.d. |
| 03:41.10 | dr_marlowe | err, "x-window-system depends on xdm" |
| 03:41.13 | dr_marlowe | that sounds bad |
| 03:42.20 | secher | Varange: have you tried apt-get install php-mysql? |
| 03:42.35 | widrone | linux3: Ah, config errors. Good luck... im ou t of my territory here. |
| 03:42.47 | dr_marlowe | where is update-rc.d |
| 03:43.02 | dr_marlowe | im a 1 week old linux newb used to using gentoo btw |
| 03:43.15 | dr_marlowe | so im havin trouble findin where i would have found /etc/rc.conf |
| 03:43.15 | Varange | secher, ahh one mo |
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| 03:43.32 | Varange | secher, but wouldn't that be php4? |
| 03:43.50 | Phated | dr_marlowe: No, x-window-system is the X metapackage. Metapackages can be safely removed. |
| 03:43.59 | dr_marlowe | ok near |
| 03:44.01 | dr_marlowe | neat |
| 03:44.23 | Phated | Everything else that the metapackage depended on - xserver-xorg, xlibs, etc, is already installed, and is -not- removed when you remove the metapackage. |
| 03:44.54 | secher | Varange: apt-cache search php | grep mysql |
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| 03:45.22 | dr_marlowe | neato! |
| 03:45.40 | Varange | secher, thanks |
| 03:46.16 | Varange | secher, found it thanks |
| 03:46.37 | secher | np. Now I stll need to know how to get myself out of the clusterfsck I've got myself in. I need to tell apt to go through, and reinstall every package currently installed on the system. HowTo? |
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| 03:49.52 | widrone | secher: Not sure about that part, but would a reinstall be that much more of an hassle? ;) |
| 03:50.42 | minerale | Greetings, how can I fix this: (from syslog: pppd[27427]: This system lacks kernel support for PPP. " |
| 03:50.57 | ben_h | unlack ppp kernel support |
| 03:52.12 | dr_marlowe | okay i have *no* idea what login manager this is, but its clearly not xdm because ive removed xdm |
| 03:52.17 | dr_marlowe | and rebooted and its still there |
| 03:52.19 | minerale | ben_h: what does unlack mean ? |
| 03:52.31 | ben_h | the option is Device Drivers => network device support => ppp support |
| 03:52.41 | ben_h | in the kernel config |
| 03:52.51 | dr_marlowe | any ideas which login prog has the GNU/Linux fancy gfx at the top, a user and pass input fields, and nothing else but a blue/purple bg? |
| 03:52.52 | widrone | minerale: I think its the unposite of lacking something. |
| 03:52.59 | ben_h | lol |
| 03:53.15 | ben_h | dr: gdm maybe? |
| 03:53.25 | oOGneaOo | dr_marlowe: probably xdm |
| 03:53.30 | widrone | minerale: But try a apt-cache search ppp , maybe there is some kernel modules that you need to install. |
| 03:53.31 | minerale | how can I get the ppp kernel module ? |
| 03:53.38 | oOGneaOo | but not by default... |
| 03:53.52 | ben_h | minerale: are you running a default kernel from apt? |
| 03:53.56 | dr_marlowe | oOGneaOo like i said, its not xdm. cant be |
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| 03:54.35 | oOGneaOo | dr_marlowe: well your description happens to match it. you could always google for something... |
| 03:54.41 | minerale | ben_h: not quite, i'm running a xen enabled kernel |
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| 03:54.53 | RobHu | Hi. I just apt-get installed a package and it asked if I wanted to overwrite the current files for some of the config files. I said no. I regret that and wanted to say yes. How can I get it to ask me that again please? |
| 03:55.09 | ben_h | minerale: well try a 'modprobe ppp', otherwise you'll have to recompile the kernel and include ppp support as i mentioned above |
| 03:55.15 | minerale | robhu: sudo dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 03:55.32 | RobHu | minerale: I tried that, it didnt ask. I tried apt-get removing it and installing it again too. |
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| 03:55.36 | minerale | ben_h I'm getting FATAL: Module ppp not found. |
| 03:55.50 | ben_h | minerale: yeah that means the kernel was built without it |
| 03:56.10 | minerale | ben_h: but it does not mean that I can't get a kernel module for it, right ? |
| 03:56.35 | ben_h | you can't just plug in any old module in general, no |
| 03:56.52 | ben_h | it usually doesn't work unless you compile it together with the kernel. |
| 03:56.57 | ben_h | because EVERYTHING has to match |
| 03:57.10 | ben_h | kernel version, build arch, probably versions of the compiler toolchain, etc |
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| 03:57.27 | RobHu | minerale: Any other ideas? :( |
| 03:57.31 | minerale | ben_h: i'm in a pretty bad sittuation, the provider won't release the source code for the kernel though |
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| 03:57.42 | ben_h | what? they have to, it's the linux kernel |
| 03:58.02 | deimos_ | Hi, Im kinda new to debian and was wondering if I have to compile a new kernel or is it possible to update it via apt? |
| 03:58.03 | ben_h | tell them you'll report them for license infringement |
| 03:58.23 | minerale | robhu: do apt-get install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; sudo apt-file search <packagename> | grep /etc; -> remove all files from etc |
| 03:58.38 | RobHu | minerale: ok thanks |
| 03:58.44 | ben_h | deimos_: you can update via apt, when new versions come through it should update along with all your other software. just make sure /boot is mounted if it's on a separate partition |
| 03:58.45 | widrone | minerale: Eh, they arer seriousley taking you for the ride ten. Get them to fix it for you, without source youre in dead land, sorry. |
| 03:59.16 | deimos_ | ben_h, thanks, will try to update :) |
| 03:59.24 | widrone | minerale: Who is this btw, Im staying away from them. :) |
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| 03:59.33 | dr_marlowe | oOGneaOo ooooh, its wdm |
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| 04:00.33 | minerale | widrone: this is unixshell.com we've been asking in the forums for the sources for many months now, they only provide sources from older kernels I think, maybe it's to stay competitive against others providers |
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| 04:01.03 | deimos_ | well, next question though, Im currently using the 2.4* kernel and was hoping to use 2.6*, does it upgrade itself via apt or do I have to take some other action? |
| 04:01.21 | RobHu | minerale: That didn't work. apt-file search xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-amd64 returns nothing |
| 04:01.36 | RobHu | oh |
| 04:01.40 | RobHu | I need to put a conf file in there |
| 04:01.43 | swelf | Western australia has just introduced daylight savings and i am trying to figure out if i can change the clock without dropping the box |
| 04:02.30 | widrone | minerale: Even thu they got "and/or perform kernel development" on their front page. |
| 04:02.39 | swelf | does anyone know if there are going to be other issue with changing the clock |
| 04:03.51 | widrone | minerale: And their support page clearly says this: "Custom kernel compilation to support additional features that cannot be added via a kernel module." |
| 04:04.25 | widrone | minerale: Thats what they themselves say they support, so get what you are paying for and get them to fix it Id say. |
| 04:05.00 | minerale | widrone: apart from the kernel thing I'm pretty happy with them though, I pay about 12$/mo 128ram 6gb/hdd 128gb/transfer and I get really good speeds too |
| 04:05.21 | minerale | they've upped the prices since then, same package now costs~20/month |
| 04:07.09 | Azar | swelf: I read about that, I guess this year you guys change the time manually - what dorks man |
| 04:08.02 | widrone | minerale: I fell upon this, can that be of any help: http://www.unixshell.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_compile_kernel_modules |
| 04:08.31 | Azar | deimos_: what Debian version did you installed? |
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| 04:09.47 | minerale | widrone: oh wow, sharp eye, thanks man |
| 04:10.13 | deimos_ | Azar.I've got the one that said "current" from a norwegian mirror |
| 04:10.40 | Azar | deimos_: can you see the version number? |
| 04:10.45 | deimos_ | 2 sec |
| 04:11.41 | deimos_ | 3.1_r4 |
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| 04:12.05 | minerale | widrone: so If I understand correctly a kernel module is simply a compiled file, a "a.out" of sorts, and a `make modules_install` copies them to the apropriate place and loads them in, right ? |
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| 04:12.51 | Marco | How do I install debian on a system with a Compaq Smart Array Controller? |
| 04:12.51 | yzrider08 | so whens the new debian coming out!! |
| 04:13.03 | Azar | deimos_: nice, you could use the linux2.6 installation but that's ok, try using "apt-cache search linux-image" to see which architecture fits your box, then upgrade to 2.6.8 with aptitude install kernel-image..(for your specific architecture) |
| 04:13.11 | cast | yzrider08: maybe december |
| 04:13.11 | widrone | yzrider08: When its done! |
| 04:13.20 | yzrider08 | obviously :D |
| 04:13.24 | yzrider08 | why cant it be done now! lol |
| 04:13.25 | Azar | yzrider08: soon, maybe 2 months |
| 04:13.30 | yzrider08 | cool :D |
| 04:13.39 | yzrider08 | i thought it was decemember, but january is ok i guess D |
| 04:13.44 | deimos_ | Azar , I tried the linux26 but I didnt find my DVD bruner nor the disks :/ |
| 04:13.52 | Azar | yeah last minute touch ups |
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| 04:14.07 | widrone | minerale: Not sure about it getting autoloaded but the rest is somewhat covering, yes. |
| 04:14.07 | yzrider08 | work in progress forever.... |
| 04:14.10 | yzrider08 | debian 3.1 = so old :D |
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| 04:14.17 | Azar | deimos_: it is ok, it should go nice with an upgrade |
| 04:14.18 | Marco | yzrider08, then install testing |
| 04:14.22 | yzrider08 | haha |
| 04:14.24 | yzrider08 | nah thats ok |
| 04:14.28 | Marco | ... |
| 04:14.39 | yzrider08 | ill wait, let it be a surprise |
| 04:14.44 | yzrider08 | 64-bit too :P: |
| 04:14.47 | deimos_ | Azar, I'll try to upgrade now :) thanks for the help so far :) |
| 04:14.53 | Marco | yzrider08, don't get your hopes up |
| 04:14.55 | Azar | yzrider08: I installed Etch last summer out of curiosity, it works ok |
| 04:14.56 | TraceGreen | Hello, are there any tools to read Hidden Protected Area? |
| 04:14.56 | yzrider08 | why |
| 04:14.58 | Marco | it's just newer versions of software |
| 04:15.08 | widrone | Old, you calling the Sarge old? The sarge takes offence of that, he is in his prime NOT old. ;) |
| 04:15.12 | Marco | I run unstable, it's nothing mind boggling |
| 04:15.17 | yzrider08 | lol |
| 04:15.24 | Azar | hehe Sarge rocks man |
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| 04:16.03 | Azar | pffffttt 64bit big deal |
| 04:16.20 | Azar | what you do with a 64 bit that 32 bit can't? |
| 04:16.20 | yzrider08 | yeah its a big deal, its a huge optimization, it can increase file tasks up to .000000000000000001ms |
| 04:16.44 | Azar | hehe, well I don't seem to fall asleep on a 32bit |
| 04:16.55 | yzrider08 | i was being sarcastic :ED |
| 04:16.56 | yzrider08 | :D* |
| 04:16.56 | Azar | yeah you gain a milifraction of a second with a 64 |
| 04:17.04 | yzrider08 | 64-bit is the dumbest thing i've ever heard of |
| 04:17.13 | deadcat | should i alias more to less or less -R ? |
| 04:17.15 | yzrider08 | its better than not having it, but its not necessarily better than itself |
| 04:17.23 | Azar | less is allways better |
| 04:17.40 | cast | I guess none of you do much numerical work hey. |
| 04:17.52 | Azar | cast, I do |
| 04:17.57 | deadcat | Azar: less or less -R ? |
| 04:18.13 | Azar | deadcat oh... what you want to do? |
| 04:18.24 | deimos_ | Azar , should I use and older kernel with SMP support or a newer one with, (Single Xeon with HT) |
| 04:18.38 | Azar | hmmm SMP |
| 04:18.41 | Azar | !SMP |
| 04:18.48 | Azar | forgot what SMP is |
| 04:18.59 | deadcat | Azar: well. sometimes i pipe grep with color through less, is the -R gonna hurt me if i dont have color sometimes? |
| 04:19.21 | yzrider08 | symmetric multiprocessing |
| 04:19.37 | Azar | deadcat I played with that stuff 3 years ago... I can show you the tutorial |
| 04:19.39 | deimos_ | yzrider08 , yeah, a bit quicker than me. |
| 04:19.43 | yzrider08 | ? |
| 04:19.46 | yzrider08 | lol |
| 04:19.48 | yzrider08 | hee |
| 04:19.58 | unlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.07 | Azar | deadcat: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
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| 04:20.27 | Marco | is dpkg lagging again? |
| 04:20.32 | Azar | deimos_: my boxes are all amd32 never looked at SMP |
| 04:20.32 | Marco | he's not replying to me |
| 04:20.43 | jeebusroxors | hey hey, has anyone had any sucess with debian on an ultra 60? |
| 04:20.45 | Marco | damn bot :( |
| 04:20.50 | Marco | !raid |
| 04:21.01 | jeebusroxors | ive tried gentoo with no sucess and noone wants to help :-\ |
| 04:21.04 | yzrider08 | thats why bots should be done with as little as irc scripting as possible |
| 04:21.07 | deimos_ | Azar , okay, no biggie, just have to disable HT on the next reboot :) |
| 04:21.09 | yzrider08 | and more TCL/PHP/C++ |
| 04:21.10 | Azar | dpkg is asleep |
| 04:21.18 | Marco | lawl |
| 04:21.21 | Marco | anyhow |
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| 04:21.35 | Marco | I'm trying to install debian on a system with a compaq Smart Array Controller |
| 04:21.54 | Azar | deimos_: do you use lilo, or grub? |
| 04:22.04 | Marco | debian recognizes a device and calls it /dev/ida/c0d0 |
| 04:22.05 | jeebusroxors | debian on a sparc anyone? |
| 04:22.06 | deimos_ | grub I think |
| 04:22.14 | Marco | however it says that the disk has zero space |
| 04:22.29 | Azar | deimos_: then you do not have to worry about entering initrd in lilo... |
| 04:22.50 | Azar | if you use lilo, follow the installation of the new kernel's warnings and recommendations |
| 04:23.18 | deimos_ | damn, debian is different from the other distros I've used. |
| 04:23.19 | Azar | jeebusroxors: I heard there are people using it on sparc.. |
| 04:23.40 | Azar | deimos_: is just until you get used.. then everything is really easy |
| 04:23.54 | jeebusroxors | Azar: ive compiled gentoo like 9 times in the past week...im getting tired of it.. |
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| 04:24.13 | Azar | use "aptitude" for any install you need, works better on dependencies |
| 04:24.19 | yzrider08 | i did apt-get install php5-curl which installs it via aptitude on debian, and i restarted apache, and i get nothing, any ideas? |
| 04:25.08 | deimos_ | jeebusroxors , same as me, got tired of compiling |
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| 04:25.40 | jeebusroxors | deimos_: yea....im an archlinux user...just want to get my u60 up and running as a server |
| 04:25.45 | Azar | unlike other distros, "apt-get" or "aptitude" will only get you packages from archives assigned for your Debian version. Any "outside" gadget its on your own (dependency hassle too) |
| 04:26.09 | jeebusroxors | gentoo seemed obvious but i cant get any help and gentoo-sparc |
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| 04:27.02 | jeebusroxors | and its getting tiresome...i get treated like im some n00b |
| 04:27.03 | Azar | deimos_: whenever you need : http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 04:27.26 | Azar | jeebusroxors: no, just stay calm and polite and you will be treated with respect |
| 04:27.54 | jeebusroxors | Azar: heh i have... |
| 04:28.12 | jeebusroxors | someone helped but then i asked for more help and someone told me to read the man... |
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| 04:28.50 | jeebusroxors | i explained i had the man printed out and followed it but noone cares *roll* |
| 04:32.10 | yunhual | "/sbin/init: 432 cannot open dev/console"... any help? |
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| 04:33.25 | yunhual | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 04:33.26 | yunhual | / sbin/init:432: can't open dev/console no such file |
| 04:33.28 | yunhual | kernel panic: Attempted to kill init |
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| 04:33.58 | maher | yunhual: your kernel upgrade didn't work? |
| 04:34.04 | Azar | wow, novell is puting ms code on OpenOffice, damnit! |
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| 04:34.22 | deimos_ | Azar , it says I need yaird on behalf of initrd, and fails later on :( |
| 04:34.30 | liable | hola |
| 04:34.44 | yunhual | maher> i installed debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:34.45 | Azar | hola liable |
| 04:34.56 | Azar | deimos_: what is yaird? |
| 04:34.58 | liable | g'day Azar |
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| 04:35.10 | liable | for making initrds |
| 04:35.12 | deimos_ | Azar , initramfs-tools like thingey |
| 04:35.17 | Azar | ah |
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| 04:35.38 | Azar | I never experienced that warning with my box, is your PC so old? |
| 04:35.50 | maher | yunhual: and that happened on reboot? |
| 04:35.53 | minerale | Hi, I have a quick question about install kernel modules, I ran the configuration, did make modules; make modules_install; that placed in the "INSTALL drivers/net/ppp_generic.ko" module, how do I load it? modprobe ppp and modprobe ppp_generic fail; module not found |
| 04:35.54 | yunhual | after installation complete, i reboot and can't start kernel |
| 04:36.12 | yunhual | i just see grub > prompt |
| 04:36.16 | deimos_ | ehm, Old? Xeon 2,8Ghz, Asus NCCH-DL motherboard, I do not think thats to old. |
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| 04:36.54 | jamesd | i have an 8086 zenith laptop, now that is old. |
| 04:36.57 | maher | yunhual: reboot to the install media and do ctrl-alt-f2 to get a shell - then mount the hd and chroot in and see if you can fix things... |
| 04:37.03 | Azar | deimos_: I run fairly recent boxes, no older than 2 years.. decent hardware and never got a warning like that. I only get reminded to enter initrd stanza in lilo |
| 04:37.13 | deimos_ | okay. |
| 04:37.17 | Azar | grub is a total black hole for me |
| 04:37.33 | yunhual | maher: ok, thank you, |
| 04:37.36 | deimos_ | then it might be because of startup with the 2.4* kernel.. |
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| 04:38.07 | Azar | if you installed the 2.6.8 grub should know and start with it. |
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| 04:38.36 | liable | sounds like grub isnt finding its start files |
| 04:38.41 | Azar | here they say: grub takes care of everything, evidently I often see that it does not |
| 04:38.49 | deimos_ | hehe |
| 04:39.23 | Azar | I will stick with lilo, at least I know what to do with it |
| 04:39.24 | mzzm | /leave #deban |
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| 04:39.47 | deimos_ | I'll try to reboot |
| 04:39.53 | Azar | good luck |
| 04:39.57 | maher | Azar: grub has an edit mode where you can manually point it to what it should be booting when you messed up the config |
| 04:40.05 | cast | grub kicks ass. |
| 04:40.17 | cast | lilo can't boot all the things grub can AFAIK, too |
| 04:40.31 | Azar | maher: I guess it has goodies, but I wasn't even able to install it.... |
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| 04:40.49 | Azar | cast: "all the things" what other things? |
| 04:41.11 | cast | Azar: the hurd port |
| 04:41.21 | Azar | cast: ah :) |
| 04:42.00 | Azar | liable read the news ? |
| 04:42.09 | Azar | the roof is on fire |
| 04:42.40 | liable | eh? |
| 04:42.46 | liable | what roof? |
| 04:43.18 | Azar | http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000129 < all kind of rumors, speculations, anger everywhere |
| 04:43.26 | liable | lilo cant do / lvm's iirc |
| 04:43.49 | Azar | lvm = live virtual ..m..? |
| 04:44.16 | liable | logical volume manager |
| 04:44.26 | Azar | ah |
| 04:45.04 | Azar | well, I have a very lite installation... all I need is purely basic... |
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| 04:47.24 | Azar | :) success |
| 04:47.37 | deimos_ | nah, It paniced with the 2.6 |
| 04:48.15 | Azar | I am not so experimented, but I never failed a 2.6 with Sarge |
| 04:48.24 | Azar | With Woody either |
| 04:48.48 | deimos_ | It's just the problem with the dvd-burner and hdd's that stop me :P |
| 04:49.18 | Azar | deimos_: might be you picked an architecture that does not go well with your hardware? |
| 04:49.25 | liable | the installer found your disks ok though? |
| 04:49.50 | deimos_ | Azar, It should be i386. |
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| 04:50.04 | deimos_ | liable , it did'nt find it at all |
| 04:50.22 | matholio | I'm testing the speed of a wireless link by downloading a 10mb file and using `/usr/bin/time -f="e" wget...` |
| 04:50.26 | deimos_ | it booted the dvd and then it said it did'nt find it |
| 04:50.30 | liable | deimos_: how did you install then? whats your controller chipset? sata? |
| 04:50.32 | Azar | as I recall, I had such ugly problem with SATA back in August |
| 04:50.53 | deimos_ | liable, the hdd's are sata but the dvd is ata |
| 04:50.59 | matholio | it returns a number like 9.2, how can I test this number and perform an action ? |
| 04:51.16 | liable | the kernel in the etch installer should cope with most chipsets i woulda thunk |
| 04:51.22 | Azar | gah, I wonder how you could even use a 2.4 on a sata HD |
| 04:51.30 | Phated | matholio: bash script, maybe? |
| 04:51.56 | liable | deimos_: i havent ever heard of the solution to the cant find cd problem. try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 04:52.02 | Azar | deimos_: etch is two months away from a release, try installing etch comes with a higher kernel more support |
| 04:52.27 | deimos_ | okay, where can I get it then? |
| 04:52.39 | Azar | liable knows... etch installer |
| 04:53.01 | liable | !d-i |
| 04:53.01 | dpkg_ | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 04:53.39 | Azar | that for etch, liable? |
| 04:53.58 | liable | ya, read it :P |
| 04:54.05 | Azar | ah thanks |
| 04:54.22 | deimos_ | thank you for the help so far :) |
| 04:55.07 | liable | grr, aptitude is puking getting packages files |
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| 04:57.10 | liable | this is handy.. |
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| 05:06.07 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:06.07 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 05:06.26 | PumpkinPie | !qotd0 |
| 05:06.26 | dpkg_ | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
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| 05:06.59 | PumpkinPie | !qotd0 |
| 05:06.59 | dpkg_ | it has been said that qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
| 05:07.21 | PumpkinPie | lol |
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| 05:08.53 | Azar | huh? |
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| 05:11.03 | litage | does a recursive DNS server send packets to an authoritative DNS server from a high port # to port 53? |
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| 05:14.18 | PumpkinPie | litage: probably |
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| 05:16.28 | paddy | !qotd0 |
| 05:16.28 | dpkg_ | it has been said that qotd24 is <sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me |
| 05:16.42 | erikh | hey folks, anyone else getting a public key error doing apt-get updatE? |
| 05:17.21 | erikh | says to run apt-get update to fix it, yet, apt-get update does not :) |
| 05:17.45 | litage | erikh: yeah, i just fixed that problem for myself yesterday. one sec, i'm just trying to find the correct term to ask dpkg |
| 05:17.58 | erikh | litage: thank you, sir |
| 05:18.11 | litage | erikh: what's the exact warning message again? |
| 05:18.15 | erikh | oh, heh |
| 05:18.19 | erikh | it's in the topic. silly me. |
| 05:18.46 | liable | heh, lucky, you were about to get topicsmitten :) |
| 05:18.54 | erikh | hm, although dpkg isn't responding |
| 05:18.54 | litage | erikh: heh there you go |
| 05:19.26 | liable | try dpkg_ |
| 05:19.41 | erikh | no such luck. |
| 05:19.50 | liable | !2006 key |
| 05:19.51 | dpkg_ | i heard 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:20.16 | erikh | liable: thanks. |
| 05:20.40 | liable | np |
| 05:20.41 | Azar | it looks like dpkg is in restricted mode today.. not everyone can get it to talk |
| 05:20.52 | SerajewelKS | !test |
| 05:20.53 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 05:21.06 | Azar | !SMP |
| 05:21.06 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 05:21.13 | liable | i dont think dpkg_ is registered, thus cant /msg |
| 05:21.15 | Azar | ah now it came back :) |
| 05:21.16 | SerajewelKS | Azar: sure it wasn't just lagging? |
| 05:21.35 | Azar | SerajewelKS: one hour earlier nobody could wake dpkg |
| 05:21.42 | liable | ya, not registered |
| 05:21.46 | SerajewelKS | so it ghosted then |
| 05:21.50 | erikh | liable: that's not working. |
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| 05:22.05 | erikh | liable: can I spam two lines in here to explain what's happening? it might shed light on the subject. |
| 05:22.07 | SerajewelKS | liable: more likely the connection stalled |
| 05:22.21 | Azar | erikh: you can use the paster |
| 05:22.21 | liable | erikh: check the bts for apt, i recall others having this problem a while back |
| 05:22.33 | liable | SerajewelKS: what connection? |
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| 05:22.50 | liable | SerajewelKS: dpkg is registered whereas dpkg_ isnt |
| 05:23.49 | erikh | http://rafb.net/paste/results/j4JvN594.html |
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| 05:24.59 | erikh | ah |
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| 05:25.34 | erikh | liable: I am well-aware of the consequences of this, but this is what worked for me (in case someone else experiences this:) |
| 05:25.37 | erikh | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:26.06 | liable | erikh: what server is that for? |
| 05:26.22 | liable | thats not a debian key is it? |
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| 05:27.38 | erikh | liable: it appears to be one |
| 05:28.02 | liable | ok |
| 05:28.08 | liable | bbl |
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| 05:31.46 | SerajewelKS | !no public key |
| 05:31.46 | dpkg_ | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 05:32.02 | SerajewelKS | !etch key |
| 05:32.02 | dpkg_ | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 05:33.24 | erikh | SerajewelKS: aha! thank you. |
| 05:33.35 | erikh | atlhough I did trace that key I installed to (what is apparently) the DPL |
| 05:33.44 | SerajewelKS | erikh: np, had me for a while too |
| 05:34.07 | erikh | seems like the old key will expire in 2 months, apparently they were thinking ahead :) |
| 05:34.15 | SerajewelKS | ya |
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| 05:39.26 | russruss | hey guys... anyone with a working knowledge of compiz want to help me? I followed some directions I found online, and when I run compiz, it restarts the X server, and when I run compiz.real from kdm it gives me a black screen with a cursor and windows won't draw (IE, if I run xterm on display :0 from a console it doesn't show up)... any ideas? |
| 05:39.40 | matholio | hmm, can bash test for decimal numbers ? [$foo gt 0.1] ? |
| 05:39.55 | Guerin | matholio: #bash; don't see why not |
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| 05:40.10 | Guerin | matholio: you could probably have tested it in less keystrokes than asking |
| 05:40.11 | russruss | I have an nvidia card and the 9626 beta drivers |
| 05:40.30 | matholio | if it had worked, I wouldn;t have asked. |
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| 05:40.38 | thirst | does compiz work well on latest etch on i865 graphics |
| 05:40.56 | Guerin | matholio: ah. |
| 05:41.21 | russruss | thirst, I'm on sid and having a terrible time with compiz :-P |
| 05:41.45 | thirst | i am tired of all the fc6 guys showing off.. on i845 boards.. :) |
| 05:42.10 | Azar | welcome Back Guerin! :) |
| 05:42.56 | russruss | thirst, it seems that no one has devoted any time to compiz on debian at all... most people interested in cool stuff like that jumped ship to ubuntu a looong time ago |
| 05:43.23 | Azar | hehehe cool stuff |
| 05:43.53 | Azar | graphical user ignorance is cool |
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| 05:44.14 | russruss | jesseman_, yah you called me on it |
| 05:44.22 | russruss | I just want help so I'm saying ridiculous things :-P |
| 05:44.46 | Azar | ok what is a compiz? |
| 05:45.00 | Guerin | Azar: it's a think to make x crashy and bloated and slow |
| 05:45.16 | Azar | ahh thanks! nononono not for me |
| 05:45.32 | DeepDayze | compiz is for the eyecandy |
| 05:45.37 | thirst | Azar: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz , it is also really pretty looking if you want to play around.. :) |
| 05:45.48 | DeepDayze | beryl's better though...works with AIGLX |
| 05:46.06 | DeepDayze | XGL's getting rather deprecated |
| 05:46.14 | Azar | thanks I stubbornly use plain X with openbox only. No icons, bars, banners for me |
| 05:46.29 | jesseman_ | welcome to 1998!! |
| 05:46.42 | Azar | :) I missed it believe it or not |
| 05:46.58 | jesseman_ | apparently, youve got it now. so all is well. |
| 05:47.07 | russruss | anyways, anybody have any idea what my problem is? |
| 05:47.27 | Guerin | russruss: you're using compiz, and it's shit. |
| 05:47.35 | Azar | :) ouch |
| 05:47.37 | Guerin | russruss: there's a simple cure: don't. |
| 05:47.47 | russruss | heh well I'm not using compiz now, because it doesn't work :-P |
| 05:48.09 | Guerin | see? Simple. |
| 05:48.50 | jesseman_ | as DeepDayze said, use Beryl |
| 05:48.54 | Azar | gah so sad I have to go right now when Guerin is at his best@! |
| 05:48.58 | jesseman_ | instead of comiz |
| 05:49.03 | jesseman_ | compiz** |
| 05:49.20 | russruss | would that work? it seems like if I can't even run compiz I shouldn't be able to run beryl |
| 05:49.23 | DeepDayze | http://www.beryl-project.org |
| 05:49.40 | DeepDayze | there are some excellent instructions on that site |
| 05:49.50 | DeepDayze | how to get beryl working |
| 05:50.05 | Guerin | who cares? |
| 05:50.10 | DeepDayze | even the developers are eager to help |
| 05:50.12 | jesseman_ | and using Beryl with Debian is very easy |
| 05:50.25 | DeepDayze | just apt-get a few packages |
| 05:50.42 | DeepDayze | there's a great setup utility |
| 05:51.16 | jesseman_ | I find Beryl quite fun and easy to install/use. |
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| 05:52.03 | jesseman_ | plus it makes all my Vista using buddies drool, which is cool |
| 05:52.04 | russruss | yah, I was planning to use beryl eventually, I just thought it would be easier to get compiz working because there were debian packages |
| 05:52.07 | russruss | but yah I'll try this |
| 05:52.18 | DeepDayze | there are debian packages for beryl |
| 05:52.21 | jesseman_ | there are Debian packages for Beryl |
| 05:52.26 | jesseman_ | JINX! |
| 05:52.49 | DeepDayze | but be warned: you must remove the compiz packages first before installing the beryl ones |
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| 05:53.35 | DeepDayze | Vista? what's that? LOL |
| 05:53.49 | DeepDayze | another toy OS from Microshaft |
| 05:53.52 | jesseman_ | =/ |
| 05:53.55 | jesseman_ | =D |
| 05:54.13 | DeepDayze | Linux is better...especially Debian |
| 05:54.22 | cast | GNU* |
| 05:54.28 | russruss | uh yah... where is the beryl packages? |
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| 05:54.43 | russruss | like I guess I meant compiz is already in main |
| 05:54.52 | quintin | Is anyone here fairly experienced with high-res X setups? |
| 05:55.09 | quintin | I'm getting some artifacts, it's reaaaaaallly pissing me off, and I'm not sure what I need to do. |
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| 05:57.42 | nprice | I am having some trouble, when I boot my machine it goes into runlevel 2 but ignores /etc/network/interfaces and doesn't even brign up lo. Any ideas? |
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| 06:01.23 | litage | where can i find a list of firewall settings required for running dns servers? i've done a lot of googling but can't find anything specific |
| 06:01.55 | jmd | litage: You don't need a firewall to run a DNS server. |
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| 06:02.28 | litage | jmd: i need to configure the firewall on the machine running the authoritative and recursive DNS servers |
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| 06:03.03 | russruss | hey guys, jesseman_, now when I run beryl-manager, x restarts! |
| 06:03.18 | jmd | No you don't. Firewalls and DNS servers are independent things. One can run quite happily without the other. |
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| 06:03.48 | litage | jmd: yes, that's quite obvious |
| 06:04.08 | litage | jmd: shall i rephrase my question? |
| 06:04.34 | jmd | litage: That would be a good idea. |
| 06:04.43 | Dewi | I need to artificially inflate the load average to test some countermeasures |
| 06:04.55 | Dewi | Can anyone think of a simple way to do this? |
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| 06:05.53 | jmd | Dewi: You might be able to use setrlimit. |
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| 06:06.22 | jmd | Dewi: But I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, so maybe it won't suit your requirements. |
| 06:06.33 | litage | Dewi: "the load"? |
| 06:06.36 | Dewi | jmd: I want to push the laod average up. I want to fork bomb myself I guess |
| 06:06.42 | litage | ah |
| 06:06.46 | Dewi | jmd: but in a way I can stop :) |
| 06:07.10 | litage | Dewi: things like encryption/decryption use a lot of resources |
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| 06:07.27 | jmd | Dewi: Set a RLIMIT_NPROC, then fork bomb yourself. |
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| 06:07.45 | jmmp | hi |
| 06:07.53 | jmmp | anybody there |
| 06:07.56 | jmmp | ??? |
| 06:08.01 | jmd | jmmp: No. |
| 06:08.14 | nprice | anyone have any idea why my machine would just ignore the contents of /etc/network/interfaces while booting normally |
| 06:08.34 | jmmp | look in your boot script |
| 06:08.42 | nprice | which one? |
| 06:08.57 | jmmp | it depends on your distribution |
| 06:09.14 | liable | nprice: have you added the auto bit? |
| 06:09.26 | nprice | yes |
| 06:09.31 | nprice | i haven't touched the file in months |
| 06:09.34 | nprice | and all of a sudden |
| 06:09.40 | nprice | some genius hard reset the machine |
| 06:09.44 | nprice | and now it ignores it |
| 06:09.49 | jmd | What's port 1024 used for ? |
| 06:09.59 | nprice | boots straight into runlevel 2, nothing in the dmesg or /var/log |
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| 06:11.26 | liable | does it come up with ifup? |
| 06:11.43 | nprice | yes |
| 06:11.44 | nprice | just fine |
| 06:11.45 | Guerin | jmd: whatever you bind it to. |
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| 06:11.55 | nprice | eth0:0 eth0 and lo all come up when manually asked to |
| 06:12.01 | jmd | Guerin: By convention I mean. |
| 06:12.10 | Guerin | jmd: grep 1024 /etc/services |
| 06:12.28 | jmd | Guerin: It's not there on my machine. |
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| 06:13.23 | Guerin | jmd: not typically used for anything, then |
| 06:13.42 | Guerin | istr it being assigned once for somethin attached to nfs, maybe? |
| 06:13.49 | Guerin | I don't recall |
| 06:14.03 | enouf | nprice: using ext3 / FS ? |
| 06:14.07 | nprice | yes |
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| 06:14.44 | enouf | nprice: 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot |
| 06:15.11 | jmd | nprice: Have you got a link to /etc/init.d/networking in your /etc/rc0.d directory ? |
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| 06:15.32 | nprice | jmd: yes |
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| 06:15.38 | nprice | enouf: it fscked already |
| 06:15.39 | eduhat | hey guys! |
| 06:16.14 | jmd | nprice: Then make sure that it's being run on boot. It invokes /sbin/ifup |
| 06:16.40 | enouf | nprice: ok .. the only reason I said that is that you seeemed to indicate that this --> [01:08:13] <nprice> some genius hard reset the machine <-- was the only thing that changed |
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| 06:17.04 | enouf | !greet eduhat |
| 06:17.04 | dpkg_ | Moo, eduhat |
| 06:17.09 | liable | nprice: paste the file then |
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| 06:17.32 | liable | if it comes up with ifup, then its not auto or the script failed |
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| 06:18.59 | nprice | is five lines too much to paste |
| 06:19.07 | nprice | four rather |
| 06:19.12 | liable | put it in #flood or a paster |
| 06:19.13 | nprice | or should i use pastebin |
| 06:19.35 | nprice | pasting |
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| 06:19.38 | netdaemon | such a wonderful os ;_; |
| 06:19.52 | eduhat | it is indeed |
| 06:19.57 | nprice | http://pastebin.com/831807 |
| 06:20.10 | jmd | nprice: What's your default runlevel ? |
| 06:20.22 | enouf | nprice: also pastebin the output of grep -ir ifup /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 06:20.30 | nprice | it is booting into 2 |
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| 06:21.16 | jmd | try init 1 and see if it runs ifup then. |
| 06:21.37 | liable | nprice: i dont think you can have two ifaces on the auto line, make another for the eth0 one |
| 06:21.51 | liable | at least i havent seen that before.. :) |
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| 06:22.21 | liable | it prolly stops after the first one |
| 06:22.22 | nprice | it's worked for months :) |
| 06:22.23 | LunarCrisis | What is the easiest way to take a batch of png images and turn them into a video? |
| 06:22.30 | enouf | nprice: and use pastebin.ca .. not .com |
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| 06:22.36 | nprice | waiting on pastebin |
| 06:22.39 | nprice | is .ca faster? |
| 06:22.42 | enouf | me too] |
| 06:22.46 | enouf | yes |
| 06:23.00 | enouf | much |
| 06:23.02 | nprice | http://pastebin.ca/256457 |
| 06:23.09 | amphi | LunarCrisis: mencoder |
| 06:23.35 | nprice | "auto lo eth0" is how it came with the default debian install, so i think it's okay. |
| 06:23.36 | amphi | LunarCrisis: I use it a lot for povray animation |
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| 06:23.48 | LunarCrisis | okay, thanks |
| 06:24.02 | liable | nprice: i doubt that, i havent ever seen a default (or any) interfaces file like that |
| 06:24.25 | nprice | all i touched after running the install was adding the eth0:0 line for the second ip |
| 06:24.38 | amphi | nprice: you can specify multiple ifaces on the 'auto' line |
| 06:24.42 | liable | hrm |
| 06:24.54 | nprice | and if you read the manpage it says it's fine :) |
| 06:24.59 | amphi | according to interfaces(5) |
| 06:25.15 | liable | hah, it does show that too :) |
| 06:25.39 | liable | i'll just stfu and continue with something else then.. |
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| 06:27.06 | nprice | enouf did you see http://pastebin.ca/256457 |
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| 06:28.27 | enouf | nprice i use auto dhcp too on eth0 .. atypical /etc/network/interfaces file .. however compare your results to what I have from a grep -ir ifup /etc/rc?.d/ --> http://pastebin.ca/256458 |
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| 06:29.35 | enouf | anf others too .. plz compare the diffs to see ig anything is outta place // I see many more /etc/rc0.d/S36ifupdown: entries in mine as a start |
| 06:29.46 | enouf | s/ans/and |
| 06:29.57 | enouf | I'm no networker :-P |
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| 06:31.54 | eduhat | how would i install a .deb package? like lets say it in /home/eduhat/stuff/ and the file is called blahblah.deb |
| 06:31.59 | jindal | hullo guys, vmware on compiling its modules using kernel headers 2.6.18-2 .... is giving an error "The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-2/include" is a kernel header file directory, but it does not contain the file "linux/version.h" as expected." ... wheras it worked fine earlier.... |
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| 06:33.07 | enouf | dpkg -i .deb eduhat |
| 06:33.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | eduhat: dpkg -i packagename.deb like enouf said. |
| 06:33.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | As root |
| 06:34.01 | eduhat | thank you |
| 06:35.53 | g333k | hello, I have updated to icedove.... now my thunderbird is freezing and receiving duplicated mails, why? |
| 06:36.25 | Guerin | g333k: because icedove is thunderbird? |
| 06:36.58 | enouf | vmware us expecting an earlier/diff version?? perhaps it worked prior because the person compiling used a --pre-configure option ?? pointing to diff headers?? .. no clue really |
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| 06:38.00 | g333k | Guerin, that's what I meaning... |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | g333k: you/;'re using one, right? not both? |
| 06:38.36 | g333k | Guerin, after update thunderbird to icedove... everything is a mess |
| 06:38.46 | Guerin | g333k: :( |
| 06:38.53 | Guerin | g333k: check BTS and file bugs |
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| 06:42.08 | nprice | apparently my friend is experiencing the same issue in testing (i'm running stable) |
| 06:42.28 | liable | stable has icedove? from backports? |
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| 06:42.55 | Guerin | he must be referring to something else |
| 06:43.36 | amphi | nprice: what issue? interfaces auto directives being ignored? |
| 06:43.38 | nprice | i'm referring to /etc/network/interfaces being ignored |
| 06:43.39 | nprice | yes |
| 06:43.53 | yunhual | ls /boot |
| 06:43.54 | yunhual | have no kernel, how to install kernel with apt-get |
| 06:44.01 | amphi | nprice: I'm on stable, and it works (only lo is auto) |
| 06:44.34 | liable | nprice: try running the script with -x and see if it gives clues |
| 06:44.37 | Guerin | yunhual: apt-cache search kernel |
| 06:44.58 | dilku | I can not get to alioth.debian.org is it down ?? |
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| 06:45.30 | yunhual | i use apt-cache search kernel, too many output. |
| 06:45.32 | yunhual | so i use apt-cache search kernel-source got no output |
| 06:45.42 | Guerin | yunhual: not kernel-source |
| 06:45.44 | liable | try linux-source |
| 06:45.54 | Guerin | yunhual: install a kernel. What branch of debian? |
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| 06:46.21 | Guerin | dilku: responds to ping, but http seems down |
| 06:46.56 | odla | !rwvfat |
| 06:46.56 | dpkg_ | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 06:46.58 | yunhual | Guerin i have installed debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:47.28 | Guerin | yunhual: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-arch |
| 06:47.42 | Guerin | yunhual: where arch is one of i386, i686, etc. |
| 06:48.55 | uwe | hello, im running sid, im having the same symptoms of bug Bug#394536 on debian-x regarding error loading xkb configs, but i do have xkb-data 0.9-4 installed which should have fixed it.. any ideas? |
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| 06:51.39 | daya | dd |
| 06:51.46 | yunhual | Guerin after i aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-i686, |
| 06:51.48 | yunhual | ls /boot |
| 06:51.49 | yunhual | have no kernel |
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| 06:52.16 | yunhual | just a grub directory |
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| 06:53.05 | Roey | hi |
| 06:53.15 | Roey | why are all my USB transfers from SD so *slow* ?? |
| 06:53.58 | cast | how slow is slow? |
| 06:54.56 | jugglinx | maybe its usb 1.0? |
| 06:56.09 | dilku | lsusb -v |
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| 06:57.12 | Roey | cast: usb 1 speeds. |
| 06:57.18 | Roey | dilku: one sec. |
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| 06:58.42 | Roey | dilku: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1yUuAq50.html |
| 06:59.23 | dilku | sec |
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| 06:59.30 | Roey | k |
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| 07:03.54 | dilku | Roey, if it is USB2 it should be around 450Mbps .. |
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| 07:06.40 | eduhat | is it possible for me to install .bin's? because i want to get google earth going, and when i download for linux it says its a .bin |
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| 07:10.26 | liable | yeah |
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| 07:12.48 | Skiver | !hplip |
| 07:13.32 | Skiver | !hp |
| 07:13.32 | dpkg_ | from memory, hp is at http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm, or *the* original brown sauce from 1889. See: http://www.higherdesign.com/brownsauce/hpsauce.htm. Hewlett Packard, maker of calculators and printers and computers and other silicon goodness |
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| 07:15.52 | fallingdutch | hi all, does anyone know what to do if you bundle some files together in a package that have different licenses (BSD, GPL and LGPL) do i have to split them into different packages or can i refer in the copyright to the licences on the system , claiming wich part uses which license? |
| 07:16.12 | Guerin | fallingdutch: this is a complex question. |
| 07:16.18 | Guerin | fallingdutch: too complex for irc. |
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| 07:16.47 | daya | how can i add to a panel an icon such as keyboard indicator by directly eding a file in gnome |
| 07:17.04 | Guerin | daya: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
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| 07:17.20 | fallingdutch | Guerin, can you give me a rule of the thumb answer? like more likely more packages or more likely one package? |
| 07:17.51 | daya | Guerin, I mean how to add to panel by editing a file in gnome, without right click in panel |
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| 07:21.19 | Guerin | daya: ask the gnometards. |
| 07:21.40 | Guerin | fallingdutch: 'it depends on the licenses and how the files are connected' |
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| 07:22.57 | liable | fallingdutch: the developers reference or policy prolly has info on it |
| 07:23.34 | daya | Guerin, who gnometards |
| 07:23.44 | Guerin | daya: the people in #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 07:24.08 | daya | Guerin, o.k but they didn't answer yet |
| 07:24.24 | Guerin | daya: this is not a #debian issue |
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| 07:25.01 | netdaemon | so...when is iceweasel gonna be released? |
| 07:25.17 | Guerin | WIR |
| 07:26.38 | fallingdutch | thanks for your answers, Guerin and liable |
| 07:26.54 | oOGneaOo | netdaemon: it already has |
| 07:27.07 | netdaemon | oOGneaOo: o_O |
| 07:27.12 | Guerin | oOGneaOo: lose another nick? |
| 07:27.12 | netdaemon | a stable release? |
| 07:27.38 | oOGneaOo | netdaemon: oh, not sure about that yet... |
| 07:27.43 | oOGneaOo | Guerin: heh. |
| 07:27.55 | netdaemon | lol |
| 07:27.57 | netdaemon | i suppose i can wait longer =( |
| 07:29.27 | oOGneaOo | if you want bugs to be fixed, you might as well |
| 07:29.34 | oOGneaOo | hrm, i wonder if it's been backported yet |
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| 07:30.49 | oOGneaOo | nope, it hasn't |
| 07:32.10 | liable | i liked the ears better |
| 07:33.06 | oOGneaOo | ? |
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| 07:33.55 | liable | nevermind, i wont even bother explaining myself |
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| 07:39.55 | jeebusroxors | heloooo |
| 07:40.01 | jeebusroxors | anyone good with debian on a sparc? |
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| 07:41.16 | liable | #debian-sparc are :) |
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| 07:43.21 | jeebusroxors | all 2 of em ;) |
| 07:43.48 | jeebusroxors | well reguardless im having the 'cant stat source package list' |
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| 07:45.51 | enouf | yunhual: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.XXXX .. also see /msg .. ermm |
| 07:46.01 | enouf | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 07:46.01 | dpkg_ | to upgrade your kernel in sarge run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. if you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 07:46.43 | enouf | note the last few lines about postinst_hook |
| 07:46.51 | yunhual | enouf i have installed sucessful apt-get update then apt-get install kernel-image..... |
| 07:47.47 | gebruiker | How can I take a screenshot of my /dev/tty console |
| 07:48.00 | enouf | yunhual: ls -al / |grep vmlinuz |
| 07:48.24 | enouf | xscreeshot |
| 07:48.26 | enouf | ?? |
| 07:48.48 | gebruiker | enouf, when i press ctrl alt f1 i see login, i want to screenshot that conosle |
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| 07:49.29 | yunhual | ls /boot i can see vmlinuz, initrd .... |
| 07:49.50 | yunhual | enouf now, i want to install xwindow system |
| 07:49.59 | enouf | gebruiker: sorry ,. dunno ... maybe w3m or screen can be useful |
| 07:50.13 | gebruiker | enouf, how is that? |
| 07:50.23 | Phated | screen is useful for that. |
| 07:50.34 | enouf | yunhual: oh .. so kernel issue is solved? |
| 07:50.46 | enouf | !screen |
| 07:50.46 | dpkg_ | i guess screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 07:50.52 | enouf | !w3m |
| 07:50.52 | dpkg_ | well, w3m is don't use w3m on powerpc, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2001/msg00087.html (DSA 081-2) |
| 07:50.58 | eduhat | hey guys, for some reason i cant apt-get install conky, anyone know why? |
| 07:51.15 | gebruiker | enouf, ? i want to take screenshots of ctrl alt f1 console |
| 07:51.22 | yunhual | enouf yes, i have installed kernel sucessful |
| 07:51.22 | enouf | !konqueror |
| 07:51.22 | dpkg_ | well, konqueror is a great webbrowser, filemanager, viewer et al and is located at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 07:51.42 | enouf | !install kde |
| 07:51.43 | dpkg_ | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 07:51.59 | Phated | gebruiker: Use screen <shrug>. It screenshots your console into a textfile. |
| 07:52.02 | enouf | !set up x |
| 07:52.03 | dpkg_ | set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 07:52.12 | enouf | yunhual: ^^^ |
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| 07:52.47 | yunhual | thank you, i want install fvwm |
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| 07:53.27 | linux4 | can anyone please help me. i am getting no sound with mythtv |
| 07:53.30 | enouf | eduhat: so apt-get install kdebase to start .. depending on how much kde stuff you want |
| 07:53.35 | Phated | gebruiker: Well, ^c h while in screen does. |
| 07:53.37 | linux4 | i tried changing so many settings |
| 07:53.41 | gebruiker | Phated, how do I do that? |
| 07:53.42 | linux4 | but i am still getting no sound |
| 07:53.56 | DaveLib | yunhual: i am running fvwm-crystal |
| 07:53.56 | linux4 | i had sound before but it was a gigantic echo and made no sense |
| 07:54.04 | gebruiker | ok |
| 07:54.05 | Phated | gebruiker: Install it, run it, check it out, read gnu.org/software/screen? |
| 07:54.05 | linux4 | and now somehow i have no sound at all WTF |
| 07:54.55 | enouf | linux4: mythtv? .. is that debian related? |
| 07:55.15 | yunhual | DaveLib, what's difference between fvwm-crystal and fvwm, |
| 07:55.16 | yunhual | i am sorry, i am a beginner. |
| 07:55.17 | eduhat | enouf: what does kdebase install? |
| 07:55.33 | enouf | apt-cache show kdebase eduhat |
| 07:55.53 | enouf | !mantra |
| 07:56.00 | enouf | !debian mantra |
| 07:56.00 | dpkg_ | i heard debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 07:56.03 | linux4 | enouf: well its being run on a debian system |
| 07:56.12 | enouf | eduhat: ^^^ also first |
| 07:56.17 | sng | gebruiker: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 07:56.21 | Kevin` | why not dist-upgdade |
| 07:56.23 | eduhat | enouf: oops |
| 07:56.29 | DaveLib | yunhual: i am also sitting in channel #fvwm-crystal in this irc server that channel has a few people but is very quiet people mostly lurking |
| 07:56.41 | enouf | Kevin`: ?? for whom? |
| 07:56.54 | Kevin` | to dpkg, I suppose ;) |
| 07:57.02 | DaveLib | yunhual: maybe we should talk about that in #fvwm-crystal instead of #debian |
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| 07:57.32 | yunhual | i will join |
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| 07:58.01 | enouf | Kevin`: hehe .. that's for mostly upgrading through releases .. but once established can be used while in release .. I guess if you don;t alter /etc/apt/sources.list .. it's ok .. but may get errors? |
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| 07:58.18 | enouf | linux4: using alsa? |
| 07:58.19 | Kevin` | i've never had an error using it |
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| 07:58.43 | enouf | Kevin`: ok then .. |
| 07:58.49 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 07:58.50 | dpkg_ | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
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| 07:59.22 | enouf | !why not dist-upgrade |
| 07:59.22 | dpkg_ | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 08:00.22 | linux4 | enouf: yes |
| 08:00.37 | linux4 | the tvcard has a cable going to the soundcard for recording and then playback |
| 08:00.40 | linux4 | but its not working |
| 08:00.43 | enouf | dpkg_: are you registered ? .. no right? .. that's why you don't respond to --> /msg dpkg <== .. because you're in auto-fembot mode :-P |
| 08:00.47 | linux4 | i can hear the sound if i turn capture on |
| 08:01.00 | enouf | linux4: alsa-config? maybe |
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| 08:01.20 | enouf | linux4: dpkg -l alsa-utils |
| 08:02.01 | enouf | linux4: do you have a DE running ala gnome or kde .. or maybe esound? |
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| 08:03.35 | linux4 | enouf: it has to do with mythtv nothing to do with the soundcard setup. the soundcard has already been setup correctly |
| 08:03.47 | mackss | is there a package that will wipe your drive clean? |
| 08:04.46 | mackss | wipe -rcf doesn't offer what i need |
| 08:04.50 | mackss | err wipe |
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| 08:05.29 | enouf | linux4: then see #mythtv or their forums .. or whatever |
| 08:05.56 | enouf | mackss: dban.sourceforge.net seee |
| 08:06.18 | sep | mackss, can you not wipe -kD /dev/hdx ? |
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| 08:06.52 | enouf | mackss: or use the HDD manu utilities to write zeros if not sensitiive data |
| 08:07.21 | enouf | or sep's suggestion .. |
| 08:08.17 | mackss | enouf, is dban easy on linux? i always thought it was a windows tool |
| 08:08.49 | mackss | enouf, i also don't have access to a drive other than the HD can i still use it? |
| 08:10.12 | enouf | mackss: http://dban.sourceforge.net/download/readme.txt |
| 08:11.17 | mackss | enouf, i read that, that is why i said i had no drive |
| 08:11.29 | enouf | 2.4 Creating the DBAN CD-R/CD-RW disc on Linux |
| 08:11.43 | mackss | right i don't have a CD drvie |
| 08:11.45 | enouf | oh .. what the F |
| 08:11.48 | mackss | all i have is an HD |
| 08:12.03 | enouf | no floppy drive either? |
| 08:12.08 | mackss | noper |
| 08:12.13 | enouf | USB port ? |
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| 08:12.22 | mackss | enouf, nope |
| 08:12.40 | mackss | i don't have access to those even if they exist |
| 08:12.44 | enouf | pull the HDD and put it as slave in another box |
| 08:13.00 | mackss | enouf, it's a remote server |
| 08:13.01 | enouf | mackss: you SOL then .. you can't wipe a drive you're using |
| 08:13.18 | enouf | oh .. well .. dunno |
| 08:13.41 | mackss | what would sep 's idea of wipe -kD /dev/hdx do? |
| 08:14.05 | mackss | just wipe without following symlinks? |
| 08:14.11 | sep | mackss, would erase the harddrive, probably kcrash your kernel when it writes over swap and make sure you cant reboot again |
| 08:14.16 | enouf | ask sep |
| 08:14.27 | enouf | hehe |
| 08:14.38 | mackss | sep, would it be able to wipe the whole drive? |
| 08:14.43 | sep | mackss, you said wipe drive, a drive is a low level device. there is no directories or symlinks |
| 08:14.54 | sep | if you want to erase files in a filesystesm you should say so |
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| 08:15.13 | mackss | i want to erase the drive |
| 08:15.14 | sep | mackss, it would erase everything. make the box a toster |
| 08:15.21 | mackss | or as much of it as i can |
| 08:15.32 | sep | but swapoff everything first |
| 08:15.33 | mackss | sep wee this should be fun :D |
| 08:15.39 | mackss | ya i already did that |
| 08:15.43 | mackss | migrated to a new server |
| 08:16.02 | sep | if you have swap on drive when you wipe it it will crash |
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| 08:16.12 | mackss | swap what is that? |
| 08:16.17 | enouf | sep can dd be used here for partial success? albeit slow |
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| 08:16.53 | sep | enouf, yes you can dd /dev/urandom > /dev/hdx 10 times ;) |
| 08:16.59 | sep | wipe is better :) |
| 08:17.12 | sep | mackss, virtual memory |
| 08:17.20 | mackss | where is that stored? |
| 08:17.21 | enouf | sep: right .. ^_^ |
| 08:17.37 | sep | mackss, cat /proc/swaps |
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| 08:17.47 | enouf | sep .. ok .. cool .. goes to read man page |
| 08:18.10 | mackss | /dev/hda5 partition 1349420 38580 -1 |
| 08:18.30 | sep | enouf, also i think dd dont work to well with files and directories :) |
| 08:18.32 | mackss | so should i wipe -kD /dev/hda5 ? |
| 08:18.53 | sep | mackss, if you want to wipe that partition, you said earlier whold drive so that would be /dev/hda |
| 08:19.04 | sep | bah NO ! |
| 08:19.10 | sep | that is your swap space |
| 08:19.16 | mackss | /dev/hda1 |
| 08:19.21 | mackss | that is my main partition |
| 08:19.22 | sep | what i said is that if you wipe that while it's in use you will crash your machine |
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| 08:19.32 | mackss | ah |
| 08:19.35 | sep | so you use swapoff /dev/da5 |
| 08:19.45 | sep | to _avoid_ crashing your machine when wiping it |
| 08:20.03 | mackss | so what would the whole command be |
| 08:20.13 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.40 | mackss | wipe -kD /dev/hda1 swapoff /dev/hda5 ? |
| 08:20.51 | sep | no |
| 08:20.55 | sep | this is 2 different commands |
| 08:21.01 | sep | you must turn of swap first |
| 08:21.25 | mackss | i guess i don't know what swap is |
| 08:21.33 | mackss | it's just a how virtual memory is? |
| 08:21.34 | sep | i think you are right |
| 08:21.40 | mackss | swap stores it or w/e? |
| 08:22.32 | liable | mackss: swap is space on your drive that the OS uses as memory, when your RAM is all used up |
| 08:22.47 | sep | it's a partition on your disk that is part of your running kernels total memory, the errect of wiping it while in use is like ripping out memory dimms while the machine is running |
| 08:23.37 | sep | liable, swap is used much before that. everything not used in a while is swapped out. that saves Real ram for disk cache, and increses performance. |
| 08:23.47 | mackss | so what your saying is i can wipe everything but /dev/hda5 |
| 08:24.09 | mackss | without the cpu crashign that is |
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| 08:24.14 | liable | sep: ok, that was just a general description, not a technical answer :) |
| 08:24.17 | sep | mackss, what i am saying is "you must turn off your swap, using the command swapoff /dev/hda5, before trying to wipe your disk" |
| 08:24.21 | rupy | hey fella's |
| 08:24.38 | rupy | i mount an nfs share using my "ru" user |
| 08:24.38 | mackss | sep, ok i turned it off |
| 08:24.42 | sep | liable, i feel your aproch is sane. im not gettnig tru i think |
| 08:24.47 | rupy | its set to mount the entire drive |
| 08:25.05 | rupy | but when i browse to /media/mma - a mounted drive on the remote machine I can't see any files or folders there... ? |
| 08:25.26 | sep | mackss, then you turn off all services and unmount as much as possible. when you have wiped the root fs you sit on you'r going to fall |
| 08:25.40 | sep | if there is date you want to securly wipe you can do those partitions first |
| 08:25.53 | sep | s/date/data |
| 08:26.02 | mackss | ok |
| 08:26.02 | enouf | sep .. since I got no manpage for wipe .. I devided to google .. found GNU util called "shred" http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/coreutils_69.html |
| 08:26.37 | cydork | oh no! dpkg is dead! |
| 08:27.11 | enouf | dpkg_: are you registered ? .. no right? .. that's why you don't respond to --> /msg dpkg <== .. because you're in auto-fembot mode :-P |
| 08:27.48 | liable | !hi |
| 08:27.49 | dpkg_ | hello, liable |
| 08:27.57 | cydork | bahh :P |
| 08:28.06 | liable | cydork: dpkg_ isnt registered, so he cant private msg |
| 08:28.25 | liable | s/he/it/ :) |
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| 08:28.42 | mackss | how does one stop mysql? |
| 08:29.10 | sep | /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 08:29.10 | mackss | or should i just kill processes? |
| 08:29.31 | sep | !! |
| 08:29.31 | dpkg_ | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 08:29.31 | mackss | sep that gives me a db error |
| 08:29.32 | enouf | sep I wonder how much a doc from 1996 means nowadays .. I'd imagine it'd still hold ot weight since it's still "magnetic media" we are dealing with http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html |
| 08:29.32 | sep | mackss, aer you sure you should be allowed to admin a server ? |
| 08:29.36 | mackss | ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'stop' |
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| 08:30.02 | enouf | !gender |
| 08:30.02 | dpkg_ | I'm sexless |
| 08:30.03 | sep | mackss, read the line i wrote again |
| 08:30.05 | cydork | liable: were on vacation? |
| 08:30.05 | mackss | sep, i love sarcasm...but honestly that command gives me an error |
| 08:30.25 | mackss | shit i forgot the path like you said :-/ |
| 08:30.28 | sep | --> /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 08:30.35 | mackss | i was already in init.d/ when i said mysql stop |
| 08:30.44 | mackss | ya it stopped now thanks |
| 08:30.49 | sep | in that case you must do ./mysql |
| 08:30.50 | liable | cydork: heh, kinda, working/training in the solomon islands |
| 08:30.52 | amphi | mackss: /etc/init.d/ is not in $PATH |
| 08:30.59 | sep | otherways it takes the binary from $PATH |
| 08:31.01 | liable | cydork: not much internet access |
| 08:31.40 | amphi | mackss: nor is ./ for that matter |
| 08:31.41 | cydork | liable: oh ok.. :) |
| 08:32.51 | mackss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:34.31 | Skiver | !cups |
| 08:34.32 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 08:34.51 | amphi | mackss: yes |
| 08:36.12 | mackss | should i kill /usr/sbin/named ? |
| 08:36.21 | mackss | err should i stop that process? |
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| 08:37.09 | amphi | mackss: if you want |
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| 08:38.57 | mackss | sep, ok i have most processes should i now do wipe -kD /dev/hda1 ? |
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| 08:40.19 | sep | mackss, personally i'd umount most partitins, and wipe the partitions with sensitive data first |
| 08:40.34 | mackss | sep i only have 1 partition |
| 08:40.45 | sep | then as a final touch you can wipe the whole drive with -kD /dev/hda and saw off the branc you sit on. |
| 08:40.59 | amphi | mackss: you only have / ? |
| 08:41.04 | mackss | ya |
| 08:41.49 | amphi | mackss: boot from a livecd and obliterate it; ISTR the sysresccd.org iso has wipage implements in good measure |
| 08:41.50 | mackss | this won't break the computer right? it will just wipe the drive? |
| 08:42.07 | mackss | amphi, i have no access to cd drvie/floppy drive |
| 08:42.33 | sep | then you can just do wipe -f -kD /dev/hda & |
| 08:42.41 | sep | mackss, it will not destroy the hardware no |
| 08:43.18 | mackss | ok i am going to "wipe -f -kD /dev/hda &" over ssh |
| 08:43.23 | sep | you might want to add -Q 1000 for fun |
| 08:43.55 | mackss | hahahaha |
| 08:43.59 | mackss | that would take forever! |
| 08:44.40 | sep | mackss, dont use it then |
| 08:44.51 | mackss | ok i am going to run that command |
| 08:44.56 | sep | dont know if it matters |
| 08:45.04 | mackss | anyone wanna make bets as to how long ssh will stay connected for? |
| 08:45.06 | sep | but you migh do it in a screen |
| 08:45.18 | mackss | oooo |
| 08:45.20 | mackss | good point |
| 08:45.35 | mackss | so then if the session ends wipe will keep going |
| 08:45.40 | sep | the & should bg it, but you never know |
| 08:45.43 | sep | yes |
| 08:46.07 | mackss | screen -d -m wipe -f -kD /dev/hda & ? |
| 08:46.30 | sep | no just start screen first alone |
| 08:47.22 | mackss | ok screen is running |
| 08:49.46 | Skiver | any idea where to change CUPS listening address ?????? |
| 08:50.01 | mackss | with screen running i should just run the command wipe -f -kD /dev/hda & |
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| 08:50.22 | chowmeined | why does installing the selinux tools include X windows as a dependency? |
| 08:50.34 | cydork | Skiver: you mean 631? |
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| 08:51.21 | Skiver | cydork: port is correct, however when I try to print something, this is the error log "Listening to 0.0.0.0:631 on fd 2..." |
| 08:51.50 | Skiver | cydork: I wish to try with 127.0.0.1 and i'm looking for the config file to change this |
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| 08:52.53 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 08:53.04 | ^rob^ | who's keeping kde packages ? |
| 08:53.06 | cydork | Skiver: grep Listen cupsd.conf |
| 08:53.27 | Skiver | cydork, /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
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| 08:53.46 | enouf | ^rob^: your nick is annoting .. but anyway what? |
| 08:53.50 | enouf | good |
| 08:54.27 | amphi | Skiver: 0.0.0.0 means all interfaces |
| 08:54.43 | Skiver | cydork : i believe i get to view all of the listening addresses somewhere |
| 08:54.44 | mackss | sep, it's wiping ;-) |
| 08:55.20 | Skiver | amphi: Unable to open listen socket for address :::631 - Address family not supported by protocol <--the next line in err log |
| 08:56.00 | cydork | Skiver: if you just want you local host to access it add "Listen localhost:631" |
| 08:56.08 | amphi | Skiver: does netstat show it listening? |
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| 08:56.38 | muhKuh | morning ... does anyone know how to make the funktion keys work in mc or mcedit when inside screen? |
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| 08:58.41 | Skiver | amphi : how to show ? |
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| 08:58.42 | Skiver | cydork: use them both ? or remove that cups.sock line |
| 08:58.42 | cydork | Skiver: netstat -plunt |grep -i cup |
| 08:58.51 | cydork | Skiver: dont remove the sock line.. |
| 08:59.23 | amphi | Skiver: netstat -plunt | grep 631 |
| 08:59.40 | Skiver | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 12064/cupsd |
| 08:59.44 | Skiver | there. |
| 09:00.25 | amphi | indeed |
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| 09:01.31 | Skiver | cydork : let me try. |
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| 09:03.39 | Skiver | cydork :Unable to bind socket for address 127.0.0.1:631 - Address already in use. |
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| 09:07.40 | cydork | Skiver: hmm what does netstat say now? |
| 09:07.48 | nick65656 | do you give me the links ftp or http of debian etch? |
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| 09:08.14 | Skiver | cydork : still same |
| 09:08.17 | cydork | !etch |
| 09:08.17 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 09:08.29 | streuner | nick65656: man sources.list |
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| 09:08.43 | nick65656 | im not have |
| 09:08.45 | nick65656 | debian |
| 09:09.17 | yum99 | hello again, I forgot the root password on Suse 10.1(sorry :-) ). After starting from a live cd I mounted the root partition in /hd and then "chroot /hd". After "passwd root" I can give a new passwd but the system then says: "Cannot open /dev/urandom Cannot create salt for blowfish crypt" |
| 09:10.06 | nick65656 | cydork |
| 09:10.41 | nick65656 | that cd I have tried them they already have other bug,hai link ftp http? |
| 09:10.41 | cydork | Skiver: cups is still listening? |
| 09:10.41 | streuner | yum99: try #suse |
| 09:10.42 | Skiver | cydork : yes. |
| 09:11.20 | streuner | !d-i nick65656 |
| 09:11.20 | dpkg_ | nick65656, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:11.47 | nick65656 | sarge? |
| 09:11.55 | nick65656 | is complicated |
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| 09:12.55 | nick65656 | I have sarge but gnome,startx X server connection reset by peer doesn't depart me |
| 09:13.14 | amphi | !drxx nick65656 |
| 09:13.15 | dpkg_ | nick65656: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:13.40 | nick65656 | ok |
| 09:14.03 | streuner | !it |
| 09:14.04 | dpkg_ | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 09:14.10 | nick65656 | yes |
| 09:14.16 | nick65656 | i know debian-it |
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| 09:34.09 | messju__ | hi, does linux use the high mem in any way on an 1gb machine and a kernel without CONFIG_BIGMEM? |
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| 09:35.46 | tarzeau | free software google earth client http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/gaia/gaia_0.1.0-1_i386.deb |
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| 09:37.00 | Hoxzer | Trewas: what is the homepage for that project? |
| 09:37.05 | amphi | tarzeau: is that for stable? |
| 09:37.11 | chowmeined | why does debian have Xwindows as a dependency for selinux? |
| 09:37.12 | cydork | tarzeau: yay :) |
| 09:37.36 | streuner | 1164361042.654706 Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
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| 09:38.38 | amphi | evidently not for stable |
| 09:39.19 | streuner | Depends: gpsd, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) |
| 09:40.42 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:41.29 | tarzeau | amphi: no, stable is missing header files in libsdl-dev |
| 09:41.29 | amphi | thanks streuner |
| 09:41.31 | tarzeau | amphi: it's for sid |
| 09:41.47 | tarzeau | streuner: got 3d accelerted card/driver? nvidia or fglrx? |
| 09:42.00 | amphi | tarzeau: newer libc too, amongst several |
| 09:42.01 | tarzeau | streuner: it even works with the mga driver here for me, it's just very slow |
| 09:42.05 | streuner | tarzeau: i use 'nv' not nvidia-glx ... |
| 09:42.12 | tarzeau | amphi: obviously, but i meant a simple sid backport (rebuild) |
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| 09:42.21 | tarzeau | streuner: well, that's your problem |
| 09:42.22 | amphi | tarzeau: oh, ok |
| 09:42.41 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: it's linked to from symlink.ch, and there's the RFP/ITP 400070 |
| 09:42.42 | streuner | tarzeau: heh, that sounds odd from you :-) |
| 09:43.03 | tarzeau | streuner: well, i have some 3d needs that no free software driver can satisfy |
| 09:43.19 | tarzeau | streuner: however i do not produce http://livecd.gnustep.org/ with non-free binary software |
| 09:45.39 | chowmeined | no i am serious |
| 09:45.46 | chowmeined | why does it say i have to install x windows? |
| 09:46.02 | tarzeau | and scons sucks badly |
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| 09:54.33 | chowmeined | well that is a serious issue |
| 09:54.41 | chowmeined | and should be addressed before etch is released |
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| 09:55.04 | BluRay | Hello! |
| 09:55.44 | BluRay | i hope that someone will help me.. i need to compile eggdrop 1.6.17 on debian system with 2.4.x kernel.. can someone help me? does anyone has system like that? please! |
| 09:57.59 | amphi | BluRay: why does eggdrop care about the kernel version? |
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| 09:58.18 | BluRay | i dunno.. i only need to run eggdrop on a debian .. |
| 09:58.21 | BluRay | can u help me? |
| 09:58.28 | Eclipser | !u' |
| 09:58.29 | Eclipser | !u |
| 09:58.30 | dpkg_ | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:58.31 | jzu | read INSTALL |
| 09:58.56 | BluRay | Eclipser, ok, YOU! :) |
| 09:59.04 | chowmeined | so anyways |
| 09:59.18 | BluRay | so, can someone help me? |
| 10:00.06 | chowmeined | selinux? |
| 10:00.11 | Razva | hi. does sarge supports JBOD? I have two 360GB and two 120GB disks. I want to JBOD them. |
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| 10:01.19 | jzu | is it possible to make 2048 bit dsa key for sshd? |
| 10:01.30 | jzu | I did 2048 bit rsa key and I'm wondering can I do same for dsa |
| 10:01.37 | BluRay | anyone doesn't has debian just installed? |
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| 10:03.11 | jzu | no, installed it few months ago |
| 10:03.19 | chowmeined | i just installed it |
| 10:03.43 | chowmeined | so why does the selinux apt package list X windows as a dependency? |
| 10:05.49 | asg | chowmeined: which selinux package? |
| 10:06.11 | chowmeined | when i go into aptitude and install selinux-basic, it tries to install X windows |
| 10:07.15 | cydork | !depends selinux-basic |
| 10:07.15 | asg | chowmeined: does it do so with 'apt-get install selinux-basic' ? |
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| 10:08.29 | chowmeined | hmm |
| 10:08.30 | chowmeined | that is strange |
| 10:08.39 | chowmeined | oh well thanks |
| 10:09.02 | asg | chowmeined: aptitude is probably finding a suggest depend that requires X. You can config aptitude not to do that. |
| 10:09.17 | cydork | chowmeined: aptitude installs recommended packages too |
| 10:09.24 | chowmeined | ah ok |
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| 10:12.03 | ofer0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.36 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.43 | ofer0 | nice |
| 10:12.51 | ofer0 | sarge? |
| 10:13.06 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.14 | asg | both woody boxen |
| 10:13.21 | asg | in secret locations |
| 10:13.21 | ofer0 | wow, over a year |
| 10:13.32 | ofer0 | how do you handle kernel vulns ? |
| 10:14.08 | asg | ofer0: on those, it isn't an issue. |
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| 10:14.17 | ofer0 | oh |
| 10:14.45 | SpeedyG | run on an internal network disconnected from the internet? ;) |
| 10:14.58 | asg | SpeedyG: basically. |
| 10:15.30 | SpeedyG | nice uptime :) wish I could manage to get that... but with the powersuplier here.. that probably wont be possible |
| 10:16.02 | SpeedyG | had 3 appartmentwide surges last 3 weeks |
| 10:16.02 | asg | SpeedyG: security is better than uptime. I just have those two waiting for decom. |
| 10:16.47 | SpeedyG | asg: thats true, but those powersurges here are just fucked up :( cost me a mainboard allready |
| 10:17.02 | SpeedyG | and some other non-interesting hardware as well.. |
| 10:17.14 | SpeedyG | anyway, i'm afk |
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| 10:18.54 | chowmeined | when i shutdown two of my partitions dont get unmounted |
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| 10:19.45 | utrrrongeeb | How can I back up the list of installed packages, so they can be reinstalled as a huge batch in the case of a hard disk failure? |
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| 10:20.41 | cydork | utrrrongeeb: dpkg --get-selection |
| 10:21.04 | cydork | utrrrongeeb: s/selection/selections/ |
| 10:21.44 | utrrrongeeb | cydork: And to reinstall these in case of a disk failure? |
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| 10:22.56 | cydork | utrrrongeeb: dpkg --set-selections < <filename> && apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 10:24.10 | utrrrongeeb | Thanks. What's the dselect-upgrade? |
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| 10:27.46 | utrrrongeeb | cydork: I meant, what does dselect-upgrade needed for here? |
| 10:27.48 | resiak | !sing sussudio |
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| 10:27.56 | sts | hello folks. does anybody know who is responsible for deleting "dynamic records" from a DNS server, which have been created by a DHCP server? |
| 10:28.06 | incorrect | i have a problem, i've created a backup machine using bacula, it uses version 1.38, the version that's packaged in sarge is 1.36, this is a bit of a problem as they changed the protocol between versions. |
| 10:28.18 | incorrect | does anyone know of a stable version of bacula 1.38 for sarge? |
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| 10:28.38 | petemc | incorrect: tried backports.org ? |
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| 10:28.47 | sep | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/b/bacula/ |
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| 10:31.49 | iuso | how do i repackage the debian installer CD with mkisofs so that it'll boot? i need this to use the adp94xx driver available (having usb stick trouble). i've mounted the ISO, made a copy of it, and copied the driver module there. |
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| 10:36.18 | sep | iuso, mkisofs -o ./my-image.iso -r -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table /location/of/edited/files |
| 10:36.28 | sep | or something like that |
| 10:37.01 | iuso | sep: why the location of edited files bit? |
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| 10:38.51 | sep | iuso, that's where you have the direstructure of the cd you make. |
| 10:39.00 | iuso | oh |
| 10:39.34 | iuso | i thought it was an argument to -boot-info-table |
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| 10:41.24 | rupy | hi guys |
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| 10:41.43 | rupy | i have a remote machine and in that machine i have a second hdd (sda1) |
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| 10:42.06 | rupy | i mount the entire machine using nfs, but for some reason i see anything in the folder where sda1 is mounted to |
| 10:42.19 | rupy | it doesnt make sense, i have tried fiddling with permissions etc.. |
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| 10:44.14 | cahoot | rupy: (just a random idea) conflicting/incongruent GID? |
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| 10:44.34 | rupy | well the device is owned by root:disk, the folder is owned by ru:ru |
| 10:44.44 | rupy | how would i add the ru user to the disk group? |
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| 10:45.09 | rupy | but then again it wouldnt make sense because hdd1 (root / ) works fine for "ru" ? |
| 10:45.10 | cahoot | rupy: does ru have the same gid on both systems? |
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| 10:46.05 | cahoot | rupy: maybe it's uid that's of interset |
| 10:47.00 | rupy | i believe it does, how would i check what groups it is currently in? |
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| 10:47.30 | cahoot | rupy: 'id' |
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| 10:48.13 | rupy | i just used groups [uid] |
| 10:48.18 | rupy | on my machine: |
| 10:48.18 | rupy | ru : ru adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin fuse |
| 10:48.35 | sep | rupy, i thinnk you have to export your individual disks from their mount points. and mount them individually again too |
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| 10:48.47 | rupy | on my remote machine: |
| 10:48.48 | rupy | ru : ru adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin |
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| 10:49.05 | rupy | sep: how do you mean? |
| 10:49.12 | TamerDE | Hi people! Is debian difficult to install?! |
| 10:49.22 | cahoot | TamerDE: no |
| 10:49.26 | Ronin | TamerDE: no |
| 10:49.45 | sep | rupy, server have sda1 mountes as /mnt/device then exporting / will not exoprt /mnt/device you must export /mnt/device by itself in /etc/exports |
| 10:49.46 | Ronin | well as long as you can read and understand what you'll be asked that is |
| 10:49.56 | TamerDE | equal the graphical console installer from the previous version of ubuntu 6.0.6 ?! |
| 10:49.57 | sep | and also mount it on the client individually too |
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| 10:50.09 | TamerDE | somebody told me that ubuntu used the debian installer |
| 10:50.20 | sep | ie first mount / then on /remoteroot then mount /mnt/device on /remoetroot/mnt/device |
| 10:50.28 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.34 | maikel | jose mari |
| 10:50.51 | Ronin | TamerDE: dont know, ive never looked at ubuntu |
| 10:51.07 | rupy | sep: what a luss.... Thats weird |
| 10:51.10 | sep | TamerDE, if you boot the etch installer using installgui, it might be somewhat similar from a user perspective |
| 10:51.14 | rupy | sep: thanks for the advice, ill try that out |
| 10:51.25 | sep | rupy, i think it sounds logical but ... :] |
| 10:51.28 | sep | try it |
| 10:51.36 | sep | ket me know how if it was correct |
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| 10:54.23 | rxKaffee | when running memtest, should I only test one stick at a time, or does it indicate some how which one to throw in the trash? |
| 10:55.02 | rxKaffee | and also, its not possible to mark the messed up regions, and continue using the rest of that stick, right? |
| 10:55.25 | rsk | it is possible |
| 10:55.36 | rsk | run all sticks at the same time |
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| 10:56.10 | rxKaffee | does memtest86 take care of marking the bad ram? or do I need to do that seperately somehow? |
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| 10:56.26 | unlink | how do i reload the partition table without rebooting? |
| 10:56.33 | unlink | (linux i386) |
| 10:56.43 | jzu | run fdisk and write changes :) |
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| 10:59.36 | rxKaffee | rsk: how do I figure out which stick to discarde or perform further maintenance on? |
| 10:59.53 | unlink | jzu: fdisk returns an error on the ioctl (device or resource busy) |
| 10:59.57 | rxKaffee | I don't see a "slot" field or such in memtest |
| 11:00.12 | unlink | bah, i'll just reboot |
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| 11:01.29 | sanity_assass1 | hello |
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| 11:04.45 | rupy | sep: mounting it directly onto the drive doesnt work |
| 11:04.48 | rupy | :'( |
| 11:05.14 | akneen | aak! help! I accidentally overwrote a .so that was in /etc/ld.so.preload, now nothing works! (no ls/rm!) |
| 11:05.18 | jindal | hullo guys, plz suggest some nice resource/article for installing xgl on sid (am tired of reading and implementing articles thrown by google :( ) |
| 11:05.33 | akneen | how do I ignore or delete /etc/ld.so.preload? |
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| 11:08.29 | akneen | I get a "ls: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/lib/foo.so: file too short" |
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| 11:09.16 | JamieCope | hello, i installed ant with apt-get but it seems it is wrongly configured as it searches for the Java directory in the wrong location |
| 11:09.29 | JamieCope | how to reconfigure the "ant" package? |
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| 11:11.06 | SNow | Hello, I have p4 3ghz hyper-treading processor, I want to install linux kernel smp from kernel image using apt-get, the thing is that there are only 686 architecture, mine is 386 what should I do? |
| 11:11.21 | SNow | any ideas? |
| 11:11.57 | rxKaffee | p4 is not 386 arch |
| 11:12.08 | rxKaffee | or... not that I've ever heard of |
| 11:12.41 | iuso | i repackaged a sarge ISO to which i'd added a driver i need to mount the hd, but it complained about it being a non-debian CD. what do i need to modify for it to pass? |
| 11:12.44 | petemc | SNow: 686 is fine |
| 11:13.04 | SNow | 686 is fine for p4 processor ? |
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| 11:13.09 | petemc | iuso: theres a page on the debian wiki about modifying the install cd |
| 11:13.13 | SNow | but now I do uname -a and I see it's 386 |
| 11:13.15 | iuso | petemc: thanks |
| 11:13.18 | rxKaffee | SNow: yes, p4 is above or equal to 686 |
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| 11:13.28 | rxKaffee | SNow: that shows what the current kernel is compiled for |
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| 11:13.34 | SNow | but doing uname -a shows 386, still I can install 686 |
| 11:13.36 | SNow | ok, thanks guys |
| 11:15.37 | petemc | iuso: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD?highlight=%28modify%29 |
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| 11:17.10 | iuso | petemc: that describes how to modify/add debs - i only need to add a .ko file in the cd's root dir. |
| 11:17.28 | iuso | petemc: i'm guessing there's a list of files with md5 sums on the cd that gets checked |
| 11:17.42 | yassin|e | hi how can i deinstall a packge with its configs ? |
| 11:17.47 | petemc | iuso: that page mentions md5sums |
| 11:17.55 | Malagmyr | god dammit. an ssh brute force attack trying the same string as username and password, going from 1 to z, a1 to az b1 to bz, aa1 and so on... how many years is he planning to commit to get in here? |
| 11:17.57 | amphi | yassin|e: --purge |
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| 11:18.08 | yassin|e | amphi, thanks |
| 11:18.18 | iuso | petemc: oops, missed that small print. :) thanks again |
| 11:18.28 | yunhual | i have a D-Link DEF-530 network card, but have no driver, how to install driver for my D-Link |
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| 11:18.41 | petemc | Malagmyr: that happens to pretty much everyone running ssh, if you dont have weak passwords you should be ok - if it bother you there are various ways to block it |
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| 11:19.06 | jindal | thanks, cydork got it working :) |
| 11:19.34 | petemc | yunhual: have you tried to see if it just works? |
| 11:19.53 | cydork | jindal: np :) |
| 11:19.54 | yunhual | it can't work |
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| 11:20.00 | Malagmyr | petemc: already dropping everything coming from that ip. i can't guarantee the password strength for all the users here, and though I know the administrators have secure passwords, there's no reason to allow someone's stuff to get fucked up to prove their passwords suck. |
| 11:20.02 | yunhual | have no driver |
| 11:20.06 | cydork | Malagmyr: check denyhosts or fail2ban ! |
| 11:20.10 | yunhual | ifconfig just can see lo |
| 11:20.19 | yunhual | have no eth0, |
| 11:20.43 | amphi | yunhual: ifconfig -a the same? |
| 11:21.16 | yunhual | yes |
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| 11:24.15 | Delgul | Hi... anyone knw what package i must install to get Net::SSH::Perl avaiable? It seems that only Net::SSH is packaged in etch.... |
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| 11:25.30 | ofer0 | Delgul, you can use the cpan shell. |
| 11:25.37 | petemc | no |
| 11:25.50 | petemc | well, you can - its not advised |
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| 11:26.09 | petemc | aptitude install libnet-ssh-perl would probably be better |
| 11:26.09 | basanta | can I upload a screenshot in pastin.ca? |
| 11:26.22 | ofer0 | basanta, you can upload it to imageshack |
| 11:28.49 | yunhual | how can i install network card driver for a specify network card ? any help ?? |
| 11:29.30 | petemc | yunhual: google for the card name and linux , you'll see what module to use |
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| 11:32.03 | akneen | `echo > /etc/ld.so.preload` fixed my "error while loading shared libraries" error (after I corrupted an already-loaded .so) |
| 11:34.28 | Delgul | libnet-ssh-perl does contain the Net::SSH package and not the Net::SSH::Perl package which all the world is using (except for debian it seems) |
| 11:35.05 | Delgul | irritating... and i hate using cpan because it will break apt |
| 11:35.15 | Delgul | or at least my apt database |
| 11:35.34 | Delgul | anyone any suggestions? |
| 11:35.47 | rxKaffee | pear? ;P |
| 11:36.08 | rxKaffee | sorry, I dunno :) |
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| 11:38.43 | cydork | Delgul: install dh-make-perl |
| 11:38.55 | Delgul | what does that do? |
| 11:39.05 | cydork | !info dh-make-perl |
| 11:39.06 | yunhual | should i recompile kernel by myself ? |
| 11:39.08 | dpkg_ | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 11:39.28 | zamba | a way i can check with what options a package has been created? |
| 11:40.05 | Delgul | thanks |
| 11:40.31 | yunhual | the module named rtl8139.o |
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| 11:40.43 | yunhual | can i get it with apt-get ? |
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| 11:41.01 | amphi | yunhual: you are using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 11:41.09 | yunhual | 2.6 |
| 11:41.14 | yunhual | 2.6.17 |
| 11:41.17 | amphi | yunhual: modprobe 8139too |
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| 11:42.44 | yunhual | module 8139 not found |
| 11:42.56 | amphi | yunhual: modprobe 8139too |
| 11:43.46 | Phated | ... why would you try to modprobe 8139 when told to modprobe 8139too...? |
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| 11:44.09 | yunhual | 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27 |
| 11:44.29 | yunhual | i am sorry for my english |
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| 11:45.01 | amphi | Phated: guess it could look like a typo to a non-native speaker... |
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| 11:45.17 | yunhual | my native language are not english. so i take mistake |
| 11:45.22 | amphi | yunhual: ifconfig -a shows the interface now? |
| 11:45.25 | russ | is there any way to view http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm ??? |
| 11:45.45 | alex116 | I installed some wlan drivers and the device activates and the driver gets loaded but the device shows up as eth2 and the device media type is 10baseT and apps like kismet complain that its the wrong device type what do I do? |
| 11:46.20 | amphi | alex116: does iwconfig say anything sensible about it? |
| 11:46.22 | yunhual | amphi let me try, i must reboot to see, |
| 11:46.23 | yunhual | if i can see it , should i use insmod to install it ? |
| 11:46.27 | amphi | yunhual: why? |
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| 11:46.41 | alex116 | iwconfig thinks its a wireless device and lets me change mode on it |
| 11:46.58 | yunhual | I install it from vmware. |
| 11:47.02 | amphi | yunhual: just do 'modprobe 8139too' and then 'ifconfig -a' to see if eth0 is present |
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| 11:47.22 | Phated | amphi: Fair 'nuff. I'd just copy-paste ;) |
| 11:47.25 | yunhual | use a real harddisk |
| 11:47.46 | amphi | Phated: laziness is learned, it seems ;) |
| 11:47.49 | alex116 | amphi, what did you mean with sensible? |
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| 11:47.51 | yunhual | amphi, i will come back soon. thank you |
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| 11:48.32 | amphi | alex116: something that suggests it is a wireless device |
| 11:48.55 | amphi | alex116: what tells you 'device media type is 10baseT'? |
| 11:49.02 | amphi | alex116: kismet is fussy |
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| 11:49.33 | Phated | amphi: Heheh. |
| 11:49.39 | amphi | alex116: but if you can configure it with iwconfig, it would seem to be working |
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| 11:51.00 | Arafangion | Can I recompile the stock 2.6 kernel to use HIGHMEM support, or do I have to apply a patch? |
| 11:51.30 | amphi | Arafangion: yes |
| 11:51.53 | petemc | anything other than the install kernel should have highmem, no? |
| 11:52.01 | Arafangion | amphi: Thanks :) |
| 11:52.07 | cydork | Arafangion: which kernel are you using atm? |
| 11:52.13 | Arafangion | cydork: Windows XP. |
| 11:52.31 | cydork | !nuke Arafangion |
| 11:52.52 | cydork | petemc: etch kernel says CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 11:52.53 | amphi | petemc: not sure - on sarge + backports there's at least one HIGHMEM64G kernel, but no HIGHMEM4G I saw |
| 11:53.15 | cydork | and also CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 11:53.38 | Arafangion | cydork: Would I be able to grab a chunk of say, 3.7 GB of *contigious* memory? |
| 11:53.52 | amphi | cydork: that's the etch install kernel? |
| 11:53.59 | cydork | amphi: yep. |
| 11:54.03 | amphi | cydork: cool |
| 11:54.19 | SpeedyG | /22/2 |
| 11:54.19 | Arafangion | amphi: Why does etch have HIGHMEM by *default*? |
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| 11:54.53 | amphi | Arafangion: everyone has at least 1GB ram these days? ;) dunno |
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| 11:56.41 | petemc | Arafangion: why wouldnt it? |
| 11:56.44 | amphi | Arafangion: or maybe the speed hit of HIGHMEM4G is considered small enough to make it a better default as many do have 1GB or more these days |
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| 11:57.39 | Arafangion | amphi: Well, I'd rather it use a 3GB/1GB split instead. |
| 11:57.59 | Arafangion | Is HIGHMEM using PAE? |
| 11:58.03 | rxKaffee | zamba: didn't you ask something about packages a min ago? |
| 11:58.10 | Arafangion | Can I use PAE? |
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| 11:59.07 | petemc | Arafangion: you only need pae for over 4 gig |
| 11:59.17 | zamba | rxKaffee: yup |
| 11:59.37 | Arafangion | petemc: I actually have 4GB. |
| 11:59.37 | rxKaffee | zamba: did you mean .deb packages? |
| 11:59.50 | rxKaffee | from official repository I mean |
| 11:59.56 | zamba | rxKaffee: yup |
| 12:00.36 | rxKaffee | zamba: I think you should be able to add a src line to your sources.list and download the source for the package. I think ./configure usually makes a .config or .configure txt file with options |
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| 12:01.39 | rxKaffee | zamba: I mean,I think it will have configuration saved from what the developers selected for the official deb binaries |
| 12:02.15 | cydork | rxKaffee: that is in debian/rules |
| 12:02.37 | rxKaffee | ah, ok... so they store a debian-specific config then |
| 12:03.27 | rxKaffee | cydork: I guess thats why it sounds like such a pita to create new packages? |
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| 12:04.35 | yunhual | hi |
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| 12:04.57 | amphi | yunhual: it works? |
| 12:05.18 | yunhual | yes |
| 12:05.26 | yunhual | it work correct |
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| 12:05.39 | yunhual | know i use my debian login here |
| 12:05.57 | yunhual | before i use windows |
| 12:05.58 | rxKaffee | yunhual: congradulations :) |
| 12:06.10 | yunhual | thank you very much |
| 12:06.19 | amphi | yunhual: yeah, well done ;) |
| 12:06.37 | yunhual | but how to change the locale |
| 12:06.57 | amphi | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:06.59 | jorgp | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:07.05 | amphi | heh |
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| 12:07.29 | jorgp | nice work amphi |
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| 12:10.18 | yunhual | /j #fvwm-crystal |
| 12:10.46 | yunhual | sorry |
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| 12:11.26 | yunhual | not suport frambuffer, how can i get frambuffer ? |
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| 12:11.45 | Delgul | cydork: I am ending up in some kind of dependency hell... this is exactly why i do not use RH and Co... is there another solution? |
| 12:11.47 | amphi | yunhual: framebuffer console? |
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| 12:12.17 | yunhual | when i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 12:12.32 | yunhual | and then i startx, i got that error message |
| 12:12.51 | cydork | Delgul: dependancy hell after doin? |
| 12:14.09 | rxKaffee | yunhual: I think you might have selected framebuffer as your xorg video interface... you probably want nv(if you have nvidia video card) or something rather than framebuffer |
| 12:14.14 | Delgul | cydork: with dh-make-perl. I try to make the package for Net::SSH::Perl and it want a whole lot of Perl modulkes that are not packaged in Debian. Trying to build them generates other dependancies and some of these lead to compilation errors... |
| 12:14.31 | rxKaffee | yunhual: otherwise, it is avaliable via kernel module |
| 12:14.33 | yunhual | yes i have nv |
| 12:15.04 | rxKaffee | hmm, maybe try reconfigure again, and make sure you select nv |
| 12:16.07 | yunhual | yes i select nv |
| 12:16.17 | yunhual | of cource that |
| 12:16.30 | rxKaffee | yunhual: what does your xorg log files say? |
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| 12:17.45 | yunhual | where is the log file ? |
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| 12:20.09 | rxKaffee | yunhual: /var/log/xorg... ;) |
| 12:21.05 | cydork | Delgul: what did you run? |
| 12:21.49 | yunhual | debian:~# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep framebuffer |
| 12:21.51 | yunhual | (**) NV(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
| 12:21.52 | yunhual | (--) NV(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xE8000000 |
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| 12:23.11 | Blackhold | hello |
| 12:23.19 | rxKaffee | yunhual: did you compile a new kernel recently? maybe its doing something weird like framebuffer>nv>xorg instead of agpart>nv>xorg?? |
| 12:23.34 | Blackhold | I've got a little bit question about user permissions |
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| 12:24.11 | yunhual | no, i install kernel with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i686 |
| 12:24.21 | rxKaffee | oh, hrm |
| 12:24.32 | freeak | Hi all, is there a way of testing a custom compiled kernel before rebooting? |
| 12:25.04 | rxKaffee | freeak: vmware, any x86 emulator |
| 12:25.12 | amphi | qemu |
| 12:25.14 | rxKaffee | freeak: there is a userspace kernel loader or two |
| 12:25.17 | freeak | yeah... this is on a remote server |
| 12:25.22 | rxKaffee | s/is/are/ |
| 12:25.40 | freeak | ok I can do that remotely? |
| 12:26.05 | rxKaffee | you can export an xorg session from the remote server ;) |
| 12:26.28 | Blackhold | I've got, user1, user2 & user3, and the other users, I want that user1 rwx, user2 rw-, user3 r--, other --- |
| 12:26.29 | rxKaffee | but you should be able to run a cli x86 emu remotely no probs |
| 12:26.48 | Blackhold | how I can solve that problem if I only have owner and group? |
| 12:27.04 | rxKaffee | freeak: some hosting companies us ethe userspace kernel thing to provide "pseudo-dedicated" boxes |
| 12:27.12 | freeak | true true... bloody server hosts won't compile a kernel to recognise the dual opteron 265's AND 4gb of RAM for me |
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| 12:27.58 | freeak | with the 2.6.18 i shouldnt need to switch on highmem should I it should just recognise the 4gb of RAM automatically? |
| 12:28.07 | freeak | highmem i thought was an old option |
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| 12:28.28 | celenk2 | Is it normal to not have a grub.conf when grub is installed? I have a menu.lst,but nothing seems to work when I add them to it.. no errors or anything |
| 12:28.39 | rxKaffee | freeak: someone mentioned 15min or so ago than etch has highmem enabled automatically |
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| 12:29.06 | freeak | yas not keen on installing unstable on a webserver :) |
| 12:29.41 | rxKaffee | celenk2: when you run grub, have you tried specifying where to look for the config file? |
| 12:29.47 | Arafangion | freeak: As a rule, prefer Ubuntu to Unstable. |
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| 12:30.00 | freeak | that TLS thing? |
| 12:30.04 | freeak | bah... |
| 12:30.07 | celenk2 | rxKaffee: what do you mean? |
| 12:30.08 | jorgp | where is a good place to get w32codecs for sid |
| 12:30.18 | rxKaffee | celenk2: in some distros, grub.conf is a symbolic link to menu.lst |
| 12:30.48 | rxKaffee | celenk2: perhaps you should try that, or grub -h and see how to tell grub where to load its config file from |
| 12:30.58 | celenk2 | rxKaffee: but slocate is coming up with nothing when I try to specifically find "grub.conf" |
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| 12:31.18 | rxKaffee | celenk2: tell it to read menu.lst |
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| 12:31.25 | freeak | oh etch is testing my mistake... i guess that would be stabel enough |
| 12:31.34 | jorgp | nm |
| 12:31.56 | rxKaffee | I dunno about sarge |
| 12:32.06 | celenk2 | rxKaffee: hmm, but would that change anything? What I add to menu.lst appears when I boot, but just any new entries don't seem to boot, and I don't get an error, they just sort of hang, listing the entry options |
| 12:32.06 | _terr | I'm trying to apt-get install curl. I'm getting a failure "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' |
| 12:32.12 | _terr | any ideas where I can find it? |
| 12:32.49 | rxKaffee | celenk2: oh, I thought it was not doing anything when you added them |
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| 12:32.53 | streuner | pdo |
| 12:32.59 | rxKaffee | celenk2: no point in linking it then I suppose |
| 12:33.03 | streuner | _terr: try pdo |
| 12:33.12 | rxKaffee | celenk2: the old list entrie(s) still work thougH? |
| 12:33.13 | _terr | what is pdo? |
| 12:33.25 | streuner | !pdo |
| 12:33.25 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:33.28 | celenk2 | rxKaffee: yes, which consists of Windows, and this (dreamlinux) |
| 12:34.19 | yunhual | hey, if i want to export an evironment variable wher i startx every time. which file i should edit |
| 12:34.55 | rxKaffee | yunhual: I would put it in ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:34.58 | _terr | I'm looking on ftp://ftp.debian.org http://security.debian.org ftp.us.debian.org |
| 12:35.12 | rxKaffee | yunhual: but that could get overwritten, if you install a new wm/de |
| 12:35.29 | amphi | yunhual: what env var? |
| 12:35.39 | _terr | streuner: I have to go for breaky in a min.. will come back |
| 12:35.45 | yunhual | i XMODIFIERS |
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| 12:36.05 | yunhual | input utility for non english user |
| 12:36.12 | Daviey | Hi, how can i rename eth1 to eth0? |
| 12:36.28 | yunhual | which file i should edit best |
| 12:36.46 | amphi | yunhual: ~/.bashrc if you use bash |
| 12:37.04 | amphi | Daviey: ifrename, or load the modules in the other order |
| 12:37.13 | yunhual | i want export it every time when i startx |
| 12:37.22 | dererk[work] | G'Morning/Buenos DÃas :) |
| 12:37.38 | Delgul | cydork: (sorry missed your reply) I ran: dh-make-perl --requiredeps --build --cpan Net::SSH::Perl |
| 12:37.58 | Daviey | amphi, i have removed eth0 network card |
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| 12:38.15 | amphi | yunhual: I don't know if you can export variables in ~/.xsession, I'd just do it in your shell |
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| 12:38.33 | amphi | Daviey: dunno why it's eth1 then - perhaps a module alias? |
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| 12:40.07 | pzn | Hi. Can anyone take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/295403 and give me an opinion about if mount -ro should or not modify metadata on disk. thanks! |
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| 12:41.18 | paddy | !qotd0 |
| 12:41.18 | dpkg | <jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
| 12:41.39 | amphi | can't be done ;) |
| 12:42.16 | rxKaffee | lol |
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| 12:43.08 | mcnaft | How do you get the output of startx to a file? |
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| 12:44.37 | mcnaft | cause it crashes back to tty when I startx |
| 12:45.14 | sep | perhaps something like startx 2>&1 >~/startx.log |
| 12:45.45 | rxKaffee | mcnaft: it should already be in /var/log/xorg[something] |
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| 12:48.11 | mcnaft | If I create an ~/.xinitrc and no matter what I put in it X won't start |
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| 12:52.10 | yunhual | have no sound driver |
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| 12:57.34 | trash45 | hello, I installed a debian + kde and when I want to reboot my computer by clicking ont the "reboot" button (kde), the system ask me the root password (or ctrl+D but it doesn't work), how can I modify this ? thx |
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| 12:59.40 | yunhual | hi, i want to export LC_CTYPE evironment, which file i should edit |
| 12:59.51 | _terr | streuner: synaptic knew where it was |
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| 13:02.39 | possie | anyone know a way if the debian installer cd, is able to mount my existing lvm partitions? |
| 13:02.43 | malagmyr_ | ' |
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| 13:03.09 | cahoot | mcnaft: no xsession-errors? |
| 13:04.44 | malagmyr_ | How can I do like "cat foo | cut -c2-50 | grep this | " and then continue treating the whole like? Like, I want to cut the line and then grep, then get the whole line back |
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| 13:05.39 | gcbirzan | You can't. |
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| 13:06.35 | gcbirzan | But, sed and/or awk may suit your needs better... |
| 13:07.08 | malagmyr_ | thanks, I'll look intothat |
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| 13:08.19 | Araneidae | How can I use apt/dpkg tools to find out which packages are not required by any other packages? |
| 13:08.26 | trash45 | hello, I installed a debian + kde and when I want to reboot my computer by clicking ont the "reboot" button (kde), the system ask me the root password (or ctrl+D but it doesn't work), how can I modify this ? thx |
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| 13:08.33 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: debfoster, I think. |
| 13:08.53 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: And aptitude can do that, but I don't know offhand how to do it. |
| 13:09.18 | Araneidae | debfoster looks promising, thanks |
| 13:09.20 | malagmyr_ | try #kde |
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| 13:09.52 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: Ah, here you go. aptitude markauto '~i'; aptitude unmarkauto '~M!~R~i' |
| 13:10.08 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: That should do it. That is, if you use aptitude to install packages, as everyone should. :-) |
| 13:10.48 | Araneidae | Not a fan of complicated graphical tools, to be honest, but I'll give it a shot |
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| 13:10.55 | Araneidae | I tried dselect and found it quite nasty |
| 13:10.57 | gcbirzan | It's not a 'graphical tool'. |
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| 13:11.09 | gcbirzan | You can use it the same way you do apt-get. |
| 13:11.15 | SNow | hmmz, strange thing, I have apt-get installed kernel-image 2.6.6 484 smp and it doesn't boot, the old version still boots up! |
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| 13:11.55 | SNow | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp is already the newest version. |
| 13:11.57 | SNow | but: |
| 13:12.00 | SNow | Linux hackerz 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:12.03 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: And, heh. dselect _is_ nsaty. |
| 13:12.17 | Araneidae | gcbirzan: why is aptitude better than apt-get/apt-cache/etc? |
| 13:12.36 | fireba11 | SNow jsut because the kernel is installed doesn't meand it's running |
| 13:12.48 | SNow | fireba11 why he isn't running? |
| 13:12.58 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: For one, handles unused packages. Exactly what you need. :-P |
| 13:13.11 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: If had used only aptitude to install stuff, you wouldn't have had the problem in the first place. |
| 13:13.27 | Araneidae | 'k. Can't see it yet. Guess I'll have to read its man page, 'cos I can't make sense of its default interface |
| 13:13.31 | fireba11 | SNow check /boot/grub/menu.lst for order of kernel listing .. default it starts up the first kernel |
| 13:13.40 | SNow | I am using lilo |
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| 13:13.57 | SNow | default=Linux |
| 13:13.59 | SNow | image=/vmlinuz |
| 13:14.02 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:14.22 | SNow | strange, why apt-get didn't changed the file ?? |
| 13:14.30 | SNow | mlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:14.31 | gcbirzan | Araneidae: Use it just as you would apt-get. |
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| 13:14.45 | Araneidae | Ok. I'll give it a shot. |
| 13:14.46 | cahoot | SNow: does /vmlinuz point to the wanted kernel? |
| 13:14.58 | SNow | cahoot no, but why apt-get didn't changed the lilo file? |
| 13:15.07 | SNow | I am now changing |
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| 13:16.02 | SNow | Skipping /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:16.05 | SNow | why he is skipping ? |
| 13:16.37 | stranger__ | I am trying to run video player and I keep recieving this error: The audio output is in use by another application. Please select another audio output in the Multimedia Systems Selector. You may want to consider using a sound server. |
| 13:16.52 | cahoot | stranger__: alsa? oss? |
| 13:17.03 | stranger__ | cahoot, alsa |
| 13:17.10 | cahoot | stranger__: lsof /dev/snd/* |
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| 13:17.26 | stranger__ | cahoot, and it was working fine this morning |
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| 13:17.53 | cahoot | stranger__: lsof /dev/snd/* and lsof /dev/dsp* |
| 13:18.36 | stranger__ | snd shows empty list. dsp shows this: firefox-b 4568 stranger 60u CHR 14,3 9788 /dev/dsp |
| 13:18.45 | stranger__ | cahoot, snd shows empty list. dsp shows this: firefox-b 4568 stranger 60u CHR 14,3 9788 /dev/dsp |
| 13:18.46 | cahoot | stranger__: so kill ff |
| 13:18.49 | trash45 | hello, I installed a debian and when I want to reboot my computer by typing the "reboot" command in root console, the system ask me the root password (or ctrl+D but it doesn't work), how can I remove it ? thx |
| 13:19.17 | stranger__ | cahoot, ok.. |
| 13:19.22 | cahoot | stranger__: might try to tell ff to use aoss |
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| 13:19.39 | stranger__ | cahoot, how is that? |
| 13:19.53 | cahoot | stranger__: you have a firefoxrc somewhere to set FIREFOX_DSP |
| 13:20.27 | stranger__ | cahoot, I will check that .. thanks |
| 13:20.31 | cahoot | stranger__: you have a firefoxrc somewhere under /etc |
| 13:22.52 | streuner | _terr: where do you think, get synaptic those packages from? |
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| 13:24.39 | Araneidae | gcbirzan: debfoster looks good |
| 13:25.16 | gcbirzan | *shrugs* |
| 13:25.24 | nanotube | I installed rt2500 from source usind module-assistant but I still cannot see my ra0 interface.. lsmod says that rt2500 is installed..any idea? thanks |
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| 13:26.04 | RoyK | hi |
| 13:26.17 | RoyK | in which package can i find oprofile ? |
| 13:26.37 | petemc | RoyK: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:26.44 | jorgp | RoyK: search packages.debian.org |
| 13:27.14 | RoyK | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=oprofile |
| 13:27.20 | RoyK | but I can't find that on etch |
| 13:27.23 | kenboo | nanotube i don't have that card but did you put 'alias ra0 rt2500' in /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 13:29.15 | nanotube | kenboo: no I did not..let me try |
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| 13:29.34 | Digitalpackrat | whoops |
| 13:29.39 | nanotube | kenboo: do I need torestart..or how can I re-read that file? |
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| 13:30.18 | kenboo | depmod -a |
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| 13:31.38 | nanotube | kenboo: did not help...:-( |
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| 13:32.46 | kenboo | nanotube any messages in dmesg? |
| 13:33.04 | kenboo | modprobe rt2500 |
| 13:33.40 | amphi | kenboo: you shouldn't need that alias AFAIK |
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| 13:33.58 | yassinework | anyone of you guys aware of any freepbx debian package project ? |
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| 13:34.15 | kenboo | amphi ok. i don't have the card :) |
| 13:34.54 | nanotube | kenboo: just this regarding rt2500 : rt2500 1.1.0 CVS 2005/07/10 http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 13:34.57 | amphi | kenboo: nor me; but I set it up for a friend, and I don't recall doing that |
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| 13:35.52 | yassinework | this everything i could found : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357927 |
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| 13:37.26 | kenboo | nanotube still no ra0 in iwconfig? |
| 13:37.59 | nanotube | kenboo: it seems that it is eth1 now...let me try that..:-) |
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| 13:38.14 | kenboo | oh ic |
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| 13:40.13 | amphi | nanotube: rt2500 manifests as ra0 AFAIK |
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| 13:40.38 | LightKnight | Does anybody use slrn in an UTF-8 environment? Seems I cannot find a workaround for this |
| 13:40.58 | h3sp4wn | rt2500 can be on eth1 / wlan0 or ra0 (depending on which driver you are using) |
| 13:42.30 | h3sp4wn | Best driver I have found is rt2x00-source (also works in accesspoint mode stable if you build hostapd with the relevant deviscape headers) |
| 13:43.18 | h3sp4wn | I would take ndiswrapper over the official ralink drivers (appear as ra0 as they are just pretty useless if you want stability with an smp system) |
| 13:44.41 | chowmeined | what is up with this? |
| 13:44.48 | chowmeined | how come selinux policy doesnt compile under debian? |
| 13:44.50 | trash45 | uniqueLikeYou > I can't send a pm to you because i'm not registered, but yes I'm always searching for a solution for the "reboot" problem, do you have a solution ? |
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| 13:44.57 | nixbox | hi all |
| 13:44.58 | nixbox | if i have to swap lines in a fixed order in a file, lets say, line 1 to line 4 (and obviously line 4 to line 1), line 6 to line 2, how do i do that? |
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| 13:47.03 | nanotube | amphi: thanks...but ra0 is not there..ra0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 13:50.01 | amphi | nanotube: are you using the in-kernel module? I've only built the module from src outside the tree; perhaps it's different |
| 13:50.23 | kenboo | nixbox sed? |
| 13:50.44 | Yorlik|work | How do I redirect a local listening port to a remote port of a virtual machine without being root ? E.G. I have a Vmware machine on a server i have ssh access to. and I can access it only locally, but want to use a non privileged port to redirect to the VMs rdp port. |
| 13:50.58 | mcnaft | I've made an ~/.xinitrc and put a simple "rxvt &" in it. But X crashes back to tty when I run startx, when I remove .xinitrc it starts as usual... here is the error log I get but don't understand what's wrong...any insight? http://pastebin.com/831998 |
| 13:51.22 | asg | mcnaft: remove the '&' from the last line in the file |
| 13:51.30 | nanotube | amphi: I have used module-assistant for that.. |
| 13:52.05 | amphi | nanotube: in any case, iwconfig without args shows your wireless iface? |
| 13:52.09 | asg | mcnaft: the last program in .xinitrc or .xsession is usually your window manager and holds the X environment up. If that exits, X exits. |
| 13:52.18 | kenboo | Yorlik|work i guess stone works without root. http://www.gcd.org/sengoku/stone/ |
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| 13:52.59 | Yorlik|work | kenboo: Thanks ! |
| 13:53.23 | mcnaft | asg: I'll add exec fluxbox after the rxvt |
| 13:53.31 | asg | mcnaft: right |
| 13:53.37 | mcnaft | k brb |
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| 13:54.18 | kenboo | Yorlik|work uh since you have SSH ssh -L <port>:remotehost:<remote port> is the easiest solution |
| 13:54.35 | nanotube | amphi: it says eth1 is wireless from some reason..:-) |
| 13:54.48 | amphi | nanotube: be happy ;) |
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| 13:55.07 | amphi | nanotube: you can always use ifrename if you insist on 'ra0' ;) |
| 13:55.46 | kenboo | nanotube my bcw43xx wifi appears as eth1 :-) iwconfig eth1 essid <essid> && dhclient eth1 is what i do with open network. |
| 13:56.03 | SNow | sorry guys, where are the newest packages in unstable ? |
| 13:56.08 | SNow | and is it unstable main |
| 13:56.11 | SNow | or there are unstable testing |
| 13:56.12 | SNow | as well? |
| 13:56.29 | LightKnight | unstable/{main,contrib,non-free} |
| 13:56.35 | asg | !sid faq |
| 13:56.36 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:56.43 | SNow | so i should make contrib or main? |
| 13:57.03 | LightKnight | just put "unstable" in your sources.list. |
| 13:57.03 | Washboy | Uhm. Will i be bitchslapped and/or killed if i ask about compiz and etch? :P |
| 13:57.16 | nanotube | amphi: I'm trying to change my /etc/network/interfaces file.. I'll be back |
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| 13:57.41 | SNow | and if I want to install kernel I only have to apt-get install the kernel image |
| 13:57.49 | LightKnight | Washboy: compiz 0.2.2-1 is in etch :) |
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| 13:57.57 | SNow | or some other packages whom apt-get won't install auto? |
| 13:57.58 | asg | SNow: apt-get install linux-image (pick and install one from the list provided) |
| 13:58.02 | cahoot | Washboy: contrary to popular belief one cannot kill via irc |
| 13:58.05 | SNow | linux image? or kernel image? |
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| 13:58.22 | asg | SNow: linux-image for etch and unstable, kernel-image for sarge |
| 13:58.22 | mcnaft | ok works like a charm now |
| 13:58.28 | SNow | LightKnight security.debian doesn't have unstable? |
| 13:58.29 | RoyK | wtf is oprofile missing from Etch? |
| 13:58.39 | amphi | !kill Washboy |
| 13:58.40 | SNow | asg so I need linux-image yeah? |
| 13:58.42 | asg | RoyK: /msg dpkg why is oprofile not in testing |
| 13:58.44 | nanotube | amphi: |
| 13:58.45 | nanotube | Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth1/inet. |
| 13:58.45 | nanotube | Failed to bring up eth1. |
| 13:58.56 | asg | SNow: yes since you are using unstable |
| 13:58.56 | LightKnight | SNow: no, no need to, since security upgrades directly enter unstable. |
| 13:58.58 | amphi | nanotube: just try manually first |
| 13:59.04 | LightKnight | There's security for testing, though. |
| 13:59.05 | cahoot | Washboy: see? it doesn't really |
| 13:59.06 | nanotube | amphi: ok |
| 13:59.07 | Washboy | LightKnight: i know. But, wehehehey, it works. With the fancy cube-thing, and every cool effect. Except, of course, for the window borders xD |
| 13:59.27 | LightKnight | Washboy: Oh -- sorry. Never tried that :/ |
| 13:59.57 | SNow | LightKnight comment out security ? |
| 14:00.09 | Washboy | !kill amphi |
| 14:00.23 | amphi | Washboy: ;) |
| 14:00.30 | Washboy | amphi: ;) |
| 14:00.30 | RoyK | asg: thanks. any idea where I can find the package to install it manually? |
| 14:00.31 | RoyK | oprofile is only 4 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in. |
| 14:00.49 | LightKnight | SNow: dunno, try keeping it for now, but you shouldn't need it if you only have unstable. |
| 14:00.58 | asg | RoyK: in unstable. No guarantee it will run on testing though. |
| 14:01.08 | LightKnight | RoyK: packages.debian.org and search for thiose package |
| 14:01.17 | LightKnight | *that package, sorry :) |
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| 14:01.31 | waky | hi @ all |
| 14:02.54 | h3sp4wn | RoyK: You can pull it direct from unstable if you echo APT::Default-Release "testing"; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf (and add the unstable repositories) best to get any dependancies from testing first then use aptitude install foo -t unstable |
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| 14:05.35 | RoyK | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 14:05.37 | nanotube | amphi: not sure what is wrong.. anyway I need to go now..thanks for help... |
| 14:05.59 | amphi | nanotube: you're welcome (for not much ;) |
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| 14:14.42 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 14:14.42 | dpkg | well, qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
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| 14:17.41 | Flimqy | I remember reading about a hard drive company developing a hybrid flash/HD laptop hard drive to improve seek times and power consumption... Anyone know if these drives are on the market yet, and if so, who makes them? |
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| 14:18.57 | Washboy | !kill me |
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| 14:20.27 | RoyK | hi. when oprofiling a system, it shows most of the time is spent in glibc |
| 14:20.40 | RoyK | but is there a way to get the glibc symbols? from a debian package? |
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| 14:21.22 | SNow | hey, I have a question |
| 14:21.23 | Washboy | Is there any way to check which files belong to which package? |
| 14:21.36 | asg | Washboy: dpkg -S |
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| 14:22.08 | Washboy | asg: thx. Ill try to gobofy my debianbox now *nin* |
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| 14:24.14 | SNow | I have a server with proxypass (apache2) will the procceses work on this server, or on the one, to whom I am proxying? |
| 14:24.23 | amphi | Washboy: gobofy? |
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| 14:26.15 | Washboy | amphi: yup. gobofy. www.gobolinux.org . I am going to try and set up every package in a seperate dir, and symlink like mad, then patch the kernel with the gobohide patches, and see if it works ^^ |
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| 14:27.48 | amphi | Washboy: what on earth for? |
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| 14:28.43 | anisfarhana | beep beep! |
| 14:28.45 | anisfarhana | greetings all |
| 14:28.49 | anisfarhana | need urgent help here :( |
| 14:28.57 | cydork | !ask |
| 14:28.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:30.27 | anisfarhana | someone has do "root shadow" on my debian sarge 3.1 |
| 14:30.30 | anisfarhana | what should i do ? :( |
| 14:30.54 | asg | wtf is 'root shadow'? |
| 14:31.02 | anisfarhana | exploits |
| 14:31.21 | asg | anisfarhana: then take the box off the network and perform some forensic analysis. |
| 14:31.22 | Washboy | amphi: Because i fell in love with gobolinux. But it didnt have enough packages for my tastes. |
| 14:31.29 | amphi | anisfarhana: wipe and reinstall is the only safe thing to do IMHO |
| 14:31.35 | anisfarhana | yes |
| 14:31.36 | asg | anisfarhana: better to do the analysis on an image of the drive |
| 14:31.38 | anisfarhana | i already re-format it |
| 14:31.47 | Washboy | amphi: and, because i want to see if i can ;) |
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| 14:32.03 | anisfarhana | H/mailpost# cat fuck |
| 14:32.03 | anisfarhana | #!/bin/sh |
| 14:32.03 | anisfarhana | pwd > andravalid.dir |
| 14:32.15 | anisfarhana | he doing something about crontab on my box |
| 14:32.16 | anisfarhana | sigh |
| 14:32.16 | amphi | Washboy: if they can, you can, but it'll be a big mess - what happens when you upgrade a package? |
| 14:32.51 | anisfarhana | what should i do to avoid it happens again ? |
| 14:33.13 | asg | anisfarhana: 1) find out how the box was compromised. 2) take appropriate countermeasures. |
| 14:33.21 | cydork | anisfarhana: you were running sarge kernel? |
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| 14:33.47 | anisfarhana | cydork: im not sure , but this box from 3rd party company , it's from lycos though |
| 14:34.14 | anisfarhana | asg : what i know , he enter the box using any port on ssh services , we calling it "root shadow" |
| 14:34.54 | asg | anisfarhana: he logged in as root via ssh? |
| 14:35.01 | anisfarhana | via ssh but not port 22 |
| 14:35.27 | asg | anisfarhana: then did you run ssh on a non-standard port or did the intruder get it running via other means? |
| 14:36.03 | anisfarhana | my ssh is default port (22) and i believe the intruder get it on ssh via another port |
| 14:36.20 | anisfarhana | im not sure which port the intruder get inside |
| 14:36.45 | cydork | anisfarhana: which other services were running? |
| 14:36.48 | anisfarhana | dammit :( |
| 14:36.52 | asg | anisfarhana: the compromise occured before then via other means since the back-channel sshd wasn't installed by you. |
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| 14:36.59 | anisfarhana | i thought nobody can crack in into debian sarge |
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| 14:37.20 | cydork | !tracker of doom |
| 14:37.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable here: http://idssi.enyo.de/tracker |
| 14:37.21 | anisfarhana | cydork: other services just bnc/psybnc/ircd |
| 14:37.36 | anisfarhana | asg: back channel sshd ? |
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| 14:37.52 | asg | anisfarhana: sshd running on a non-standard port installed by an intruder |
| 14:38.08 | anisfarhana | asg : i see |
| 14:38.23 | anisfarhana | but now im going to upgrade anything on that box.. |
| 14:38.25 | asg | anisfarhana: anyway, I'd be willing to expect that the compromise occured on one of the other daemons (ircd, etc.) |
| 14:38.28 | anisfarhana | what should i do to avoid it ? |
| 14:38.41 | asg | anisfarhana: make *sure* you are following sarge's security source also |
| 14:38.49 | anisfarhana | asg : it happened on my second box too , which there is no services running inside |
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| 14:39.59 | asg | anisfarhana: well, you might want to grab a copy of the Coroner's Toolkit and try to find out how the intrusion happened. When was the last time you upgraded your 'sarge' systems? |
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| 14:40.27 | anisfarhana | asg: about 6/7 months ago |
| 14:40.44 | anisfarhana | ergh |
| 14:40.49 | asg | anisfarhana: well, of course it was compromised. There have been several remote exploits since then |
| 14:41.35 | anisfarhana | asg : can you tell me what should i do ? |
| 14:41.59 | anisfarhana | 2.6.11.9-vs2.0-rc1-node #1 SMP Fri May 13 11:52:23 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux , i just format it via cpanel on the website |
| 14:42.03 | anisfarhana | now im logging as root |
| 14:42.29 | asg | anisfarhana: even sarge or other debian stable boxes should be updated when new vulnerabilities have been announced on the debian-security mailing list |
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| 14:42.30 | asg | anisfarhana: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:42.35 | omry | how can I change the timezone for a specific user? |
| 14:42.42 | omry | (in bash) |
| 14:42.59 | peteweez | There isn't any need to wipe files from a USB flash drive, right? I'm pretty sure that [unlike magnetic media] when you delete a file from it, it's gone. |
| 14:43.01 | anisfarhana | asg : hold on , im now at apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade |
| 14:43.23 | asg | peteweez: when in doubt, use shred(1) |
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| 14:43.54 | cydork | anisfarhana: 2.6.11.9?? |
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| 14:44.07 | peteweez | asg: yep, it's good stuff, but it increases wear/tear on the flash drive (flash drives have a limited number of write cycles). Is it even necessary? |
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| 14:44.20 | anisfarhana | cydork: that is what lycos gave me after i reformat it using panel |
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| 14:44.42 | cydork | anisfarhana: oh ok.. i was wondering .. :) |
| 14:45.17 | anisfarhana | cydork: we will see the kernel after i upgrade on it |
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| 14:46.41 | anisfarhana | if i change the ssh port , and disable login straight to root , does it helping me ? |
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| 14:47.26 | asg | anisfarhana: it might. I'd also question their use of a non-standard sarge kernel; you should ask them about their security procedures and how often the update their custom kernels. |
| 14:48.03 | cydork | anisfarhana: and running denyhosts, fail2ban will save you from ssh brute force attacks.. |
| 14:48.18 | anisfarhana | what is denyhosts and fail2ban ? |
| 14:48.31 | anisfarhana | can i get it via apt ? |
| 14:48.34 | cydork | anisfarhana: yep |
| 14:48.43 | anisfarhana | sorry but im quite new in debian , im using fc6 at the moment |
| 14:49.21 | cydork | ohh both are not there in sarge.. |
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| 14:55.16 | duckx | Hy |
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| 14:55.38 | duckx | After dowloading a source package like apt-get source xxx |
| 14:55.52 | tijn | hi all |
| 14:55.57 | duckx | And then building the source with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:56.16 | duckx | I was wondering how you clean the tree after the building |
| 14:56.28 | azeem | duckx: fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 14:56.34 | duckx | lol |
| 14:56.37 | duckx | So simple |
| 14:56.45 | duckx | Thx |
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| 14:56.52 | tijn | quick q: just checked a ripe query on an ip, but are portscans considered illegal? |
| 14:57.03 | tijn | doenst seem logical to me |
| 14:57.11 | flaquiles | hi I need some help, I want to make debian newer |
| 14:57.28 | flaquiles | so where can I get the latest packages for it? |
| 14:57.48 | ofer0 | tijn, portscan isn't illegal in my country, don't know about yours |
| 14:57.50 | azeem | flaquiles: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:57.57 | tijn | i live in the netherlands |
| 14:58.13 | flaquiles | sarge |
| 14:58.20 | ofer0 | nah, I don't think it's illegal there. anyway, don't do it too much |
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| 14:58.22 | tijn | in the ripe query i see: Contact abuse@chello.nl concerning criminal activities like spam, hacks, portscans |
| 14:58.24 | azeem | flaquiles: the new version will be out in about a month, just wait |
| 14:58.32 | flaquiles | I know but I can't wait |
| 14:58.36 | flaquiles | sorry |
| 14:58.43 | azeem | why not? |
| 14:58.47 | flaquiles | where can i find the right repositories |
| 14:59.05 | tijn | ofer0: its not me doing the scans ;) |
| 14:59.06 | azeem | flaquiles: there is no newer released version than sarge, sorry |
| 14:59.13 | flaquiles | because I need to takemy pc somewhere else where I won't have internet access |
| 14:59.26 | tijn | ofer0: on our compagny webserver are alot of portscans |
| 14:59.27 | flaquiles | no I mean the programs, libraries etc |
| 14:59.33 | enouf | ofer0: even if it were .. how do you enforce or prosecute if the scanning originates from a country that could care less ? |
| 14:59.47 | azeem | flaquiles: so why don't you take sarge along? |
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| 15:00.00 | ofer0 | enouf, well, in that case - you don't |
| 15:00.16 | tijn | enouf: well reporting scanners that are in the netherlands is usefull, cuz mostly it ar e pissed of customers |
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| 15:00.27 | flaquiles | I don't want to upgrade I want to update the programs |
| 15:00.36 | azeem | flaquiles: that is equivalent |
| 15:00.46 | enouf | tijn: it's like spam .. afaict |
| 15:00.49 | azeem | you update the programs by upgrading |
| 15:01.00 | tijn | some random scan from i 'i-dont-know-what-country' isnt important, since it is mostly a scanned range |
| 15:01.11 | azeem | enouf: eh no, portscanning is considered much more rude than spamming |
| 15:01.25 | tijn | enouf: afaict? |
| 15:01.33 | azeem | it's considered a malevolent attack by many, but not necessarily your law |
| 15:01.37 | enouf | azeem: well then ... our jails should be mighty full |
| 15:01.39 | flaquiles | ok pok |
| 15:01.47 | enouf | actually overflowing |
| 15:01.47 | azeem | enouf: great reasoning |
| 15:01.48 | anisfarhana | ags / cydork : 2.6.11.9-vs2.0-rc1-node #1 SMP Fri May 13 11:52:23 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux , that is what i got after apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 15:01.53 | flaquiles | ok thanks for nothing, too much talking no action |
| 15:02.11 | azeem | flaquiles: we're acting behind the scenes to get you a new version of Debian |
| 15:02.12 | tijn | enouf: azeem said rude ;) cant go to jail for beeing rude |
| 15:02.13 | tijn | :D |
| 15:02.34 | tijn | i would het for life :) |
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| 15:02.44 | tijn | i would get it for life* |
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| 15:03.25 | flaquiles | ok I know what's going on with debian, thank you |
| 15:03.46 | enouf | sure you can tijn .. it's called being a public nuisance/disturbance ... you can go to jail for nothing .. stand up in an opera and start swearing and cursing real loud :-P |
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| 15:03.59 | flaquiles | but I'm only asking if you know a repository where I can find newer versions of the programs that sarge installs |
| 15:04.01 | flaquiles | by defect |
| 15:04.02 | enouf | but that's a bit OT now I guess |
| 15:04.08 | tijn | jep :) |
| 15:04.12 | kenboo | they're mostly virus infected PC's that does port scanning. |
| 15:04.13 | azeem | flaquiles: what do you mean "by defect"? |
| 15:04.20 | tijn | meh i will just report it to the isp's as abuse |
| 15:04.26 | azeem | flaquiles: which programs do you need updated? |
| 15:04.31 | flaquiles | I mean the standard packages that come with it |
| 15:04.34 | flaquiles | on the cd |
| 15:04.35 | salimfadhley | Can somebody tell me how I can rebuild all of my locales? An apt-get operation was interrupted when I was building all the locales and now there are some missing from my server. Applications like svn will not run because a locale is missing |
| 15:05.03 | azeem | salimfadhley: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:05.08 | salimfadhley | thanks |
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| 15:05.40 | salimfadhley | yes, that worked |
| 15:05.40 | salimfadhley | great |
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| 15:06.04 | utab | has anyone used the application rdesktop before |
| 15:06.11 | kenboo | salimfadhley /usr/sbin/locale-gen should work |
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| 15:06.37 | tijn | utab: i have |
| 15:06.41 | tijn | works great |
| 15:07.00 | tijn | you can also use gnome-rdp |
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| 15:07.03 | utab | tijn, does it take so much time to set it up running |
| 15:07.15 | tijn | you mean the client? |
| 15:07.16 | tijn | nope |
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| 15:07.39 | tijn | just apt-get and start |
| 15:07.48 | utab | tijn, actually I would like to connect to a windows xp machine, of course my debian box will be the client |
| 15:07.59 | tijn | ah ok, no prob at all |
| 15:08.28 | lilalinux | can somebody recommend a good notebook? max 2500,- Euro |
| 15:08.39 | tijn | thats a high max! :D |
| 15:09.19 | utab | tijn, I am doing this because when someone is using the machine I can not work, I thought that with this way I can log in to my personal desktop and to whatever I need |
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| 15:10.19 | tijn | ah ok |
| 15:10.26 | tijn | rdesktop is nive |
| 15:10.28 | tijn | nice* |
| 15:10.30 | withaY | i just installed etch and everything went just fine. now that i've rebooted, my eth0 interface won't come up. how can i fix this? |
| 15:10.36 | utab | tijn, if the machine is locked by another user I mean |
| 15:10.37 | tijn | there is a gra[hical frontend too |
| 15:10.39 | Hoxzer | is there anyway to remove all packages isntalled via backports? |
| 15:10.56 | Skiver | hello, how do I remove unused kernels |
| 15:11.04 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: rmmod |
| 15:11.10 | tijn | do an apt-cache search rdesktop and you wil find them :) |
| 15:11.57 | pumpkin0 | withaY: is the module for the NIC loaded ? |
| 15:12.11 | withaY | pumpkin0: how do i check that? |
| 15:12.12 | Skiver | pumpkin0, more details pls ? |
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| 15:12.32 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: as root in console : "rmmod module-name" |
| 15:12.42 | withaY | sorry. lsmod. |
| 15:12.49 | utab | tijn, does it cause a problem to connect to the XP machine locked by another user |
| 15:12.51 | pumpkin0 | withaY: yes |
| 15:12.59 | Skiver | pumpkin0, so what's a kernel's module name ? |
| 15:13.23 | kenboo | Skiver you want to remove unused kernels, not kernel modules. right? |
| 15:13.28 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: you want to remove a whole kernel or a module ? |
| 15:13.30 | anisfarhana | what is the latest kernel for debian sarge ? |
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| 15:13.41 | Skiver | kenboo is right. |
| 15:13.55 | Skiver | pumpkin0, the later. |
| 15:13.57 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: apt-get rmove name-of-the-kernel. |
| 15:14.01 | pumpkin0 | remove |
| 15:15.06 | tijn | utab: nope, dont think so |
| 15:15.25 | kenboo | Skiver dpkg -l |grep linux-image (or kernel-image) and find the name of the kernel package. |
| 15:15.35 | kenboo | then do what pumpkin0 said. |
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| 15:16.11 | Skiver | thanks, pumpkin0 and kenboo |
| 15:16.40 | anisfarhana | what is the latest kernel for debian sarge ? could someone tell me ? |
| 15:16.46 | Skiver | kenboo, dpkg shows 4 entries, and I have more than that during grub menu, how do I update that ? |
| 15:16.55 | salimfadhley | After rebuilding some locales, I still get the error: |
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| 15:17.05 | salimfadhley | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 15:17.09 | pumpkin0 | anisfarhana: find out yourself: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 15:17.14 | salimfadhley | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 15:17.19 | kenboo | Skiver they'll be gone as grub will be reconfigured automatically. |
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| 15:17.25 | anisfarhana | pumpkin0: i will read it , thanks |
| 15:17.26 | salimfadhley | Any idea how i set the system locale? That other util did not seem to do it |
| 15:17.31 | marchino | ciao! |
| 15:17.33 | salimfadhley | but it did build all the locales |
| 15:17.58 | Skiver | kenboo, i don't think so, I still see 2.6.8 for options. |
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| 15:18.39 | kenboo | Skiver do you mean the recovery mode? |
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| 15:19.27 | Skiver | kenboo, both original and recovery. |
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| 15:19.38 | kenboo | um that's normal. |
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| 15:19.51 | kenboo | uh you want to remove 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 15:20.21 | kenboo | dpkg -l |grep 2.6.8 |
| 15:20.21 | dpkg | ii |grep 2.6.8 2.2-3.3 kenboo's private gamp collection |
| 15:20.33 | kenboo | heh |
| 15:20.51 | withaY | pumpkin0: i see my tg3 NIC listed when i did an lsmod. i just tried doing a "modprobe t3" and it didn't give me an error. i restarted networking, and still nothing. |
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| 15:21.31 | livingtm | anyone familiar with the udev system and usb devices? |
| 15:21.31 | koefoed | My "apt-get update" has been at 99% for the last 2-3 hours, "netstat -t" reports some 60 packets in the Recv-Q and top reports apt-get in state Sleeping. What is it waiting for? |
| 15:21.50 | Skiver | kenboo, dpkg shows none of 2.6.8 |
| 15:21.50 | pumpkin0 | withaY: what does "ifconfig" say ? |
| 15:21.59 | kenboo | Skiver hmm.... |
| 15:22.04 | Skiver | kenboo, that's what been bothering me. |
| 15:22.05 | withaY | pumpkin0: only lists the loopback device |
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| 15:22.14 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: remove the lines in the grub-config. |
| 15:22.19 | livingtm | im having trouble getting a usb device's to load correctly |
| 15:22.39 | pumpkin0 | withaY: what does /etc/network/interfaces say ? |
| 15:22.50 | marchino | how can i download a .deb from repository to current directory? can i use apt? |
| 15:23.01 | klapafe | guys can somebody give me the url of unstable debian netinst cd ? |
| 15:23.22 | klapafe | cause i cant browse right now |
| 15:23.23 | marchino | have i must use the interface? |
| 15:23.30 | petemc | klapafe: there is none |
| 15:23.37 | pumpkin0 | !unstable |
| 15:23.37 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 15:23.51 | pumpkin0 | klapafe: do you really want unstable ? |
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| 15:23.57 | klapafe | yeap |
| 15:24.18 | withaY | auto lo | iface lo inet loopback | allow-hotplug eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp (pipes = line breaks) |
| 15:24.21 | kenboo | Skiver do you have /usr/lib/modules/2.6.8something? |
| 15:24.24 | kenboo | oops |
| 15:24.28 | kenboo | Skiver do you have /lib/modules/2.6.8something? |
| 15:24.58 | pumpkin0 | withaY: add the line "auto eth0" |
| 15:25.14 | Skiver | kenboo, yeah! |
| 15:25.16 | withaY | d'oh! didn't notice that was missing. thanks. |
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| 15:25.18 | Skiver | kenboo, what now ? |
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| 15:25.41 | pumpkin0 | withaY: the "allow-hotplug" is strange ... USB-NIC ? |
| 15:25.56 | withaY | pumpkin0: nope. |
| 15:26.19 | withaY | pumpkin0: some broadcom gigabit NIC. |
| 15:26.39 | petemc | withaY: dmesg|grep eth |
| 15:26.41 | asg | withaY: you might need a firmware blob for that chipset |
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| 15:27.09 | enouf | pumpkin0: withaY .. 2.4.27 method? |
| 15:27.17 | kenboo | Skiver dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.8something |
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| 15:28.13 | Skiver | kenboo : not found ? |
| 15:28.39 | withaY | petemc: ok, now what? it gives me info on both of my NICs (they're the same). asg: but it was working throughout the install. i'm not sure why it's not now. |
| 15:28.43 | withaY | enouf: huh? |
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| 15:29.00 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: did you self-compile ? |
| 15:29.03 | petemc | withaY: have you tried ifup eth0 ? |
| 15:29.14 | Skiver | pumpkin0, don't think so. |
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| 15:29.42 | enouf | withaY: I've seen that before "allow hotplug" (from another poster awhile ago) ... but not sure why it was there .. |
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| 15:29.44 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: did you install via apt-get/aptitude/synaptic ? |
| 15:29.56 | Skiver | pumpkin0, that's right. |
| 15:30.01 | withaY | petemc: i had a few times. nothing. |
| 15:30.05 | kenboo | Skiver weird... uname -r |
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| 15:30.30 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel ? |
| 15:30.35 | Skiver | kenboo, 2.6.18-2-686-bigmem |
| 15:30.54 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: more then 3 GB RAM ? |
| 15:31.25 | kenboo | Skiver hmm ok, so for some reasons there're stale files for 2.6.8 kernel...which you can safely rm |
| 15:31.26 | withaY | enouf: should "allow-hotplug eth0" be replaced with "auto eth0"? or should i just add the later and leave the former in? |
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| 15:31.56 | enouf | withaY: which release and version and kernel ? |
| 15:31.56 | Skiver | kenboo : those in /lib/modules/ ? |
| 15:32.07 | Skiver | pumpkin0, 2G now. |
| 15:32.21 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: don´t use the bigmem-variant. Use the normal one. |
| 15:32.40 | Skiver | pumpkin0, that brings another problem. |
| 15:32.44 | kenboo | Skiver ya, and kernel under /boot, also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:33.06 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: and do not rm /lib/modules/*. Just remove the one kernel you will never ever use again. |
| 15:33.19 | kenboo | initrd, system.map with 2.6.8 |
| 15:33.50 | withaY | enouf: etch on a 2.6.17-2 kernel |
| 15:34.04 | enouf | withaY: try adding it .. then removing it .. you may need to leave it in for some odd reason (thinks bout udev/hal) .. also note the others here have more expeience than I ...ahh ok 2.6.17 etch |
| 15:34.19 | enouf | withaY: dpkg -l hotplug udev hal |
| 15:34.48 | withaY | ok. what does that tell me? |
| 15:35.06 | enouf | if hotplug is still there withaY , and if others are installed |
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| 15:35.30 | withaY | (btw...i'm LOVING debian so much more than rhel. this is so well thought out.) |
| 15:35.40 | enouf | yep :-) |
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| 15:35.51 | Skiver | kenboo, how do i remove a kernel config |
| 15:36.04 | kenboo | uh just rm |
| 15:36.08 | Skiver | kenboo, ls shows it but rm says it's not there |
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| 15:37.26 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: are you root ? |
| 15:37.34 | Skiver | oh man! |
| 15:37.50 | Skiver | i was wrong! |
| 15:37.54 | Skiver | hold on. |
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| 15:38.40 | Skiver | oh.. |
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| 15:38.58 | Skiver | since the linux-image is no more existing |
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| 15:39.28 | Skiver | i'm safe to remove /lib/modules/that-kernel-version ??? |
| 15:40.05 | withaY | enouf: i'm not entirely sure what this is saying, but it says "un hal <none> (no description available)" same for hotplug. "ii udev 0.100-2.3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon". |
| 15:41.03 | kenboo | Skiver you have /lib/modules/2.6.18-2-686-bigmem, right? that's the one in use. so it's safe to remove /lib/modules/2.6.8something |
| 15:41.21 | enouf | withaY: ok .. try your auto eth0 line and keep your hotplug line ..try that first (thinking you may need hal .. for using via removing allow-hotplug) |
| 15:41.39 | withaY | ok, enouf. thanks. |
| 15:41.40 | Skiver | kenboo: i found out the kernel image...it's kernel-image-2.6.8-something |
| 15:41.54 | enouf | withaY: U means Uninstalled .. N = No infiormation .. |
| 15:42.03 | withaY | ah |
| 15:42.17 | withaY | (man dpkg) |
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| 15:43.05 | withaY | sorry. i have this bad tendency to immediately respond with a question before looking for myself 2 seconds later. |
| 15:43.21 | enouf | withaY: er .. Unknown and Not installed respectively |
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| 15:43.31 | Skiver | kenboo: it's done. |
| 15:43.34 | caspar | hello |
| 15:44.09 | caspar | i am curioous, becouse i can't set the speed of my mouse higher then it is now, and its as slow as hell |
| 15:44.20 | caspar | annyone who can help me with that? |
| 15:44.32 | kenboo | Skiver make sure that you didn't break any entry for 2.6.18 kernel in menu.lst, and reboot |
| 15:45.07 | withaY | so about kernels...i'm not quite sure which to use (or build). this is a xeon machine w/ 4+ GB in it. i386? or amd64? with bigmem or does it matter? |
| 15:45.16 | enouf | withaY: basically .. AFAICT .. hal (through dbus/d-bus) reports (keps a list) of hotplug events which udev(hotplug replacement) then can use -- basicallly |
| 15:45.24 | Skiver | kenboo, the grub gets updated when i remove the package |
| 15:45.50 | kenboo | Skiver !! so you had the 2.6.8 kernel package? |
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| 15:46.01 | withaY | enouf: ah. ok. i'm going to have to read up on this a bit more. |
| 15:46.13 | la-belle-fille-a | jvous jure es vraiment chicks |
| 15:46.26 | la-belle-fille-a | jlui metterais dans lcul |
| 15:46.42 | enouf | withaY: here's a start http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html also see freedesktop.org .. |
| 15:46.46 | caspar | what did he say? |
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| 15:47.02 | kenboo | Skiver well....so..you're done :) |
| 15:47.25 | Skiver | kenboo, yeah the name was kernel-image-something |
| 15:47.29 | la-belle-fille-a | sa fente doit sentir la rose |
| 15:47.30 | la-belle-fille-a | ;) |
| 15:47.42 | Skiver | kenboo, unlike linux-image-something we are having now |
| 15:47.47 | kenboo | Skiver that's why i told you to grep both linux-image and kernel-image |
| 15:47.51 | withaY | thanks, enouf |
| 15:48.01 | enouf | withaY: no prob |
| 15:48.05 | Skiver | kenboo, yeah my bad. |
| 15:48.11 | Skiver | kenboo, thanks man. |
| 15:48.12 | la-belle-fille-a | entre elle et debian je choisi la fille et jme presserais a enfuir ma tete entre c 2 cuisse |
| 15:48.16 | caspar | but enouf, can you help me with my problem? |
| 15:48.19 | kenboo | no problem :) |
| 15:48.30 | caspar | or kenboo? :P |
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| 15:48.46 | enouf | caspar: using a DE like gnome or KDE? |
| 15:49.10 | enouf | !fr la-belle-fille-a |
| 15:49.18 | la-belle-fille-a | enouf: entre elle et debian je choisi la fille et jme presserais a enfuir ma tete entre c 2 cuisse? |
| 15:49.28 | enouf | !fr |
| 15:49.28 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:49.34 | kenboo | caspar my debian box is headless....no video, no mouse...i'm using mIRC on Windows :P |
| 15:49.36 | caspar | I use gnome |
| 15:49.41 | caspar | :| |
| 15:49.48 | Skiver | pumpkin0, i use bigmem cause normal kernel will reserve 128mb of my ram as HIGHMEM, any user application is unable to touch that portion. |
| 15:49.50 | caspar | banish windows!! !:D |
| 15:49.54 | kenboo | heh |
| 15:49.58 | la-belle-fille-a | merci enouf |
| 15:50.07 | enouf | caspar: somewhere in Control Panel or Accessibilty there must be an option for that ... ask #gnome |
| 15:50.28 | enouf | la-belle-fille-a: de nada :-) |
| 15:50.36 | caspar | that setting is highest, but will go there, thanks |
| 15:50.54 | withaY | caspar: somewhere where the rest of your preferences are, there should be one for mouse... |
| 15:50.58 | withaY | oh. |
| 15:51.01 | withaY | nevermind. :) |
| 15:51.04 | geoaxis | has any one here been able to setup Santis Communicator isdn modem , (seimens) |
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| 15:51.25 | enouf | caspar: ok .. maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86{xorg} .. what typoe of mouse? |
| 15:51.26 | caspar | hmm, thats nice. my keyboard layout is fucked ... |
| 15:51.35 | caspar | laptop, touchpad |
| 15:51.45 | enouf | !laptop caspar |
| 15:51.56 | caspar | didn't knew ... sorry |
| 15:52.02 | enouf | !laptop |
| 15:52.02 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:52.07 | tijn | ...a keyboard isnt ment for that purpose :) |
| 15:52.36 | tijn | you really should use a love doll, or a gf ;) |
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| 15:53.07 | tijn | a doll is less maintainence though |
| 15:53.13 | caspar | enouf, is it #debain-laptop? |
| 15:53.37 | caspar | debian* |
| 15:53.43 | enouf | caspar: not sure .. visit those URLs though and look up your Laptop vesion/model |
| 15:54.12 | caspar | strange enough, it worked with ubunutu :P |
| 15:54.40 | caspar | and here the wireless works, and it dous not work there :P |
| 15:55.03 | enouf | caspar: it'll work .. debian just offers more config options .. also /msg dpkg acpi (and suspend) as dpkg told you in the laptop factoid :-) |
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| 15:55.46 | psycodad1 | dont trust anything below the size of a vax! small computers are evil |
| 15:56.00 | caspar | LOL |
| 15:56.09 | enouf | grumbles something about how debian is striving to support 11 or more diff arch(s) .. anybody know how many ubuntu and it's sisters support?> |
| 15:56.10 | caspar | well they pwn if you need to go somewhere quick :P |
| 15:56.24 | caspar | but all i want, is for my touchpad to go faster :P |
| 15:56.45 | psycodad1 | caspar: did you try to play with xset m ? |
| 15:57.00 | enouf | caspar: it's likely a module and xorg.conf .. see those URLs .. there's gold in there ! |
| 15:57.19 | psycodad1 | enouf: ubuntu has ppc, ppc64 and amd64 iirc |
| 15:57.40 | enouf | psycodad1: ok .. just wondering .. never cared .. but thanks |
| 15:57.48 | psycodad1 | and my alpha server runs sarge<punt> |
| 15:57.52 | psycodad1 | ;-) |
| 15:57.55 | enouf | heh |
| 15:58.06 | psycodad1 | and my g5 and mac mini too |
| 15:58.22 | enouf | cool |
| 15:58.46 | caspar | psycodad1: not even sid :| |
| 15:58.48 | psycodad1 | both macs working as ltsp terminal servers...great performance |
| 15:59.19 | psycodad1 | nope, i like sticking with old but rock solid stuff..i dont need the latest but the stablest for what i do |
| 15:59.34 | withaY | how many clients are you able to connect to, say, your mac mini through ltsp? |
| 15:59.37 | caspar | well, i use etch :P |
| 15:59.54 | caspar | annyway, need to install windows aswell here :| arghh |
| 16:00.16 | caspar | stupid schools, why do they insist on keep using Microsoft Office ..... |
| 16:00.32 | psycodad1 | withaY: i've had 3 direct and one nx client working on the mac mini (1GB, first generation) and it turned out the real bottleneck is the small, silent hd in the mac mini |
| 16:01.24 | psycodad1 | everything else was speedy and nice, we have a dtp person working heavily with scanners, gimp scribus, inkscape and such and she is happy |
| 16:02.07 | psycodad1 | caspar: if ram allows, consider vmware server and run windows inside it. |
| 16:02.12 | withaY | oh yeah. that laptop hd in there is a HUGE bottleneck. i had to use mini for EVERYTHING as a server for one cheap-ass client. 23 people w/ mail, web, samba, afp...bad deal. |
| 16:02.33 | caspar | psycodad1: you know? lap-top ,like in, old laptop ? :P |
| 16:02.46 | psycodad1 | withaY: i guess attaching a fast firewire external drive could make the mac mini handle easily 25 users |
| 16:02.48 | enouf | withaY: with respect to amd64 /msg dpkg amd64 (and/or k8) .. but more than 4GB depends also on Mobo/Chipset and a few kernel parameters .. most newer Debian kernels IIRC (2.6.16+ ??), are SMP enabled as default |
| 16:03.03 | livingtm | What causes kernel modules to be loaded when a usb device is plugged in? |
| 16:03.15 | psycodad1 | caspar: oh..ohhh...i take that proposal immediately back ;-) |
| 16:03.27 | withaY | thanks again, enouf :) |
| 16:03.44 | petemc | livingtm: in recent kernel, udev, older kernels, hotplug |
| 16:03.44 | enouf | livingtm: dbus ... or sd_mod + usb_storage perhaps |
| 16:03.58 | caspar | well annyway, need to reinstall linux annyway, so why not, see you guys maybe later!! :D |
| 16:04.03 | caspar | byebye |
| 16:04.08 | enouf | er .. yeah livingtm .. what petemc said |
| 16:04.10 | psycodad1 | enouf: isnt that hotplug ? |
| 16:04.14 | livingtm | petemc hmm.. does the device show up in lsusb before or after udev gets ahold of it? |
| 16:04.24 | enouf | psycodad1: for older kernels .. yes |
| 16:04.29 | petemc | livingtm: after, i would imagine |
| 16:04.52 | enouf | psycodad1: Sarge can have udev (instead of hotplug) but etch and up use udev |
| 16:04.55 | livingtm | petemc, ok.. the udev rules for the device only show the firmware download stuff.. nothing abou kernel modules |
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| 16:05.22 | livingtm | petemc, if i modprobe the modules, then manually dload the firmware, the device works fine |
| 16:05.26 | psycodad1 | enouf: ah, ok. thx |
| 16:05.35 | livingtm | petemc, buts its not happening autmagically |
| 16:05.37 | psycodad1 | i have no udev anywhere |
| 16:05.59 | livingtm | petemc, any ideas? |
| 16:06.10 | enouf | psycodad1: no prob .. visit debian.org and read the pages like http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch |
| 16:06.43 | enouf | livingtm: are you modules listed in /etc/modules ?? |
| 16:07.20 | livingtm | enouf, nope.. just add the names that i modprobe? |
| 16:07.25 | enouf | livingtm: and are you using a DE like Gnome or KDE ? |
| 16:07.33 | livingtm | enouf, gnome |
| 16:07.42 | enouf | livingtm: you'll need to add your modules to /etc/modules |
| 16:07.54 | livingtm | enouf, then reboot? |
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| 16:08.45 | enouf | livingtm: livingtm erm .. well a reboot would test whether it's loading correctly.. but may not be entirely necessary .. depending .. won't hurt |
| 16:09.12 | livingtm | enouf, okay thanks. ill try that. maybe when the modules load the udev rule will get invoked.. this may be my problem |
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| 16:09.29 | enouf | livingtm: it may indeed |
| 16:09.34 | livingtm | enouf, Im new to this lower level stuff.. just trying to learn |
| 16:09.43 | enouf | livingtm: aren['t we all :-) |
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| 16:10.14 | livingtm | enouf, hehe i spose |
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| 16:10.44 | livingtm | enouf, i was hoping to find a doc out there somewhere that explains the order of events when a usb device is plugged in |
| 16:10.55 | withaY | why won't "reboot" or "shutdown -r now" complete? |
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| 16:11.13 | enouf | withaY: what have you changed? |
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| 16:11.33 | livingtm | enouf, but it seems like its either really really detailed low level stuff about one particular system, or its waaay to general |
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| 16:12.08 | withaY | nothing. other than that one line. and yes, i know there's no need to reboot. but i wanted to power off this noisy machine over the weekend. |
| 16:12.09 | enouf | livingtm: /msg dpkg udev .. (also hal, hotplug, dbus) see freedesktop.org and checkout http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 16:12.24 | livingtm | enouf, thx |
| 16:12.37 | enouf | livingtm: no prob |
| 16:12.55 | enouf | withaY: you added 'auto eth0' and that's it? |
| 16:13.00 | livingtm | enouf, okay i rebooted, and lsmod doesnt show my modules |
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| 16:13.12 | enouf | livingtm: hrm .. |
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| 16:13.42 | livingtm | enouf, yet if i modprobe them the load just fine |
| 16:14.03 | withaY | enouf: yes. |
| 16:14.18 | enouf | livingtm: there's something about loading firmware that I'm not really up on .. I don't recall what's been said about it ... perhaps another can help .. apologies |
| 16:14.43 | enouf | withaY: 1st .. are you using dhcp? |
| 16:14.47 | withaY | yes |
| 16:14.50 | withaY | for now |
| 16:15.17 | withaY | (sorry for all of the questions today) |
| 16:15.58 | enouf | withaY: well .. it would "appear" that if that line is causing the issue .. that the networking ifup/down is hanging or something .. maybe /etc/init.d/networking stop |
| 16:17.33 | withaY | enouf: it was doing this before i added that line. |
| 16:17.55 | enouf | doh .. that's a kind of important piece of information |
| 16:17.58 | withaY | it's no big deal. i'll research it later. i just thought someone might have known if it were a common issue. |
| 16:18.04 | magenpie | people, what is the debian-installer? |
| 16:18.09 | withaY | oy |
| 16:18.14 | enouf | !d-i |
| 16:18.15 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 16:18.34 | x_link | enouf: Hi! |
| 16:18.46 | enouf | !greet x_link |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | Howdy, x_link |
| 16:18.50 | x_link | ;) |
| 16:18.53 | magenpie | i don't want to make a custom install cd...not yet anyway |
| 16:18.55 | x_link | What's up enouf ? |
| 16:19.03 | enouf | nada mucho x_link |
| 16:19.06 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:19.11 | x_link | Sounds like alot of fun. |
| 16:19.15 | x_link | ;) |
| 16:19.23 | enouf | magenpie: that has nothing to do with a custom cd |
| 16:19.37 | magenpie | what does it do? |
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| 16:19.46 | withaY | installs debian. |
| 16:19.49 | enouf | what does what do magenpie ? |
| 16:20.17 | enouf | magenpie: please follow the URLs |
| 16:20.17 | magenpie | it's seperate from the testing isos? |
| 16:20.32 | enouf | !releases |
| 16:20.32 | dpkg | methinks releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 16:20.34 | magenpie | unfortunately firefox has stopped working |
| 16:20.45 | magenpie | soon i won't even be able to boot |
| 16:20.51 | enouf | !tell magenpie about iceweasel |
| 16:21.13 | magenpie | right now i'm on mepis 6.0 |
| 16:21.23 | x_link | enouf: wow I have never heard this when trying to join a channel |
| 16:21.25 | x_link | "Illegal channel name |
| 16:21.29 | magenpie | but the ship is going down |
| 16:21.43 | livingtm | enouf, Arg, i just rebuilt my kernel.. thats a problem :-) have to recompile the modules i assume |
| 16:22.03 | withaY | magenpie: are you wanting to install debian OVER your existing mepis installation? |
| 16:22.11 | magenpie | replace mepis |
| 16:22.12 | enouf | livingtm: I guess so .. or use module-assistant |
| 16:22.26 | magenpie | i had debian last march |
| 16:22.44 | enouf | !tell magenpie abouttakeover |
| 16:22.45 | withaY | ok. i'm assuming you installed mepis w/ a CD, correct? |
| 16:22.49 | enouf | !tell magenpie about takeover |
| 16:22.49 | magenpie | at that time i used netinstall |
| 16:22.54 | enouf | carap |
| 16:23.01 | magenpie | yes, installed mepis with a cd |
| 16:23.22 | magenpie | i would like to install testing for amd64 |
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| 16:23.38 | Roey | http://isitfriday.net |
| 16:23.43 | Roey | :) |
| 16:23.51 | magenpie | but i don't think my onboard ethernet works anymore |
| 16:23.56 | magenpie | all i have is wireless now |
| 16:24.01 | withaY | magenpie: then you can do the same kind of netinstall now. just download one of the small CD images, burn it, and the debian-installer will do a netinstall. |
| 16:24.06 | enouf | !tell livingtm about module-assistant |
| 16:24.22 | magenpie | will it work with a wireless card? |
| 16:24.29 | magenpie | i thought i read that it wouldn't |
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| 16:24.40 | magenpie | is so hard negotiating web pages right now |
| 16:25.02 | enouf | !tell magenpie about wireless |
| 16:25.22 | enouf | magenpie: you can /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 16:25.37 | anisfarhana | how to install latest kernal via apt-get ? |
| 16:25.52 | withaY | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:25.57 | enouf | anisfarhana: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:26.13 | withaY | (ouch. i guess that was excessive.) |
| 16:26.25 | anisfarhana | enouf: 3.1 |
| 16:26.27 | enouf | withaY: not really .. that's the mantra anyways :-P |
| 16:26.35 | enouf | anisfarhana: ok uname -a |
| 16:26.37 | magenpie | reading |
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| 16:26.49 | anisfarhana | enouf: 2.6.11.9-vs2.0-rc1-node #1 SMP Fri May 13 11:52:23 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:27.17 | enouf | wha! anisfarhana you've already exeeded the 2.6.8-3-686 that's for Stable |
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| 16:27.34 | levander | You know how you can use xvidtune and xrandr to move the X desktop around on the monitor a little? Anybody know how I can do the same thing with gdm? |
| 16:27.51 | anisfarhana | enouf: meaning..my current kernel now is bad or ? |
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| 16:28.07 | enouf | anisfarhana: that doesn't llok like a Debian kernel .. or it's a funky one .. where did you get it? |
| 16:28.27 | anisfarhana | :S |
| 16:28.40 | anisfarhana | enouf: this is default kernel from vds lycos |
| 16:28.51 | enouf | !slap anisfarhana |
| 16:29.01 | enouf | hah! |
| 16:29.03 | anisfarhana | duh :( |
| 16:29.10 | enouf | anisfarhana: what the heck is lycos |
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| 16:29.24 | enouf | oh oh ... my apologies anisfarhana .. sincerely |
| 16:29.29 | anisfarhana | enouf: http://webhosting.lycos.co.uk |
| 16:29.33 | enouf | !lart enouf |
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| 16:29.49 | honschu | Hi, what package do I need to install to get "Spelling" working in AbiWord for "German"? |
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| 16:30.06 | enouf | anisfarhana: well .. since your already mixing/matching .. might as well try a 2.6.16 kernel I guess |
| 16:30.33 | enouf | anisfarhana: try apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 16:30.35 | anisfarhana | enouf: can i make it via yum ? |
| 16:30.40 | anisfarhana | uh sorry , i mean apt-get |
| 16:30.50 | enouf | anisfarhana: plz stop while you're ahead ;-) |
| 16:30.56 | enouf | hehe |
| 16:31.11 | anisfarhana | enouf: E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 16:31.37 | enouf | anisfarhana: the -s will "simulate" the install .. ah .. ok .. pastebin your cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:31.46 | anisfarhana | hold on |
| 16:32.02 | Corwyn | enouf: on debian, where does iptables store the iptables save files? |
| 16:32.20 | anisfarhana | enouf: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/F07lLA46.html |
| 16:32.23 | asg | Corwyn: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* |
| 16:32.25 | Corwyn | sorry, I'm more familiar with fedora |
| 16:32.35 | raf256 | what in the fucks name!? |
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| 16:32.45 | raf256 | I installed xorg as always on fresh debian testing |
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| 16:32.58 | raf256 | and it fails to start with some AIGLX - SCREEN 0 is not DRI capable |
| 16:33.04 | enouf | anisfarhana: any reason you want to upgrade the kernel? |
| 16:33.09 | raf256 | I dont want AIGLX, just normal xorg! how to fix?? |
| 16:33.13 | anisfarhana | enouf: i got hacked before |
| 16:33.27 | enouf | anisfarhana: reinstall using Etch :-) |
| 16:33.40 | asg | enouf: so she can get hacked again? |
| 16:33.41 | anisfarhana | enouf: yes im done with re-format it |
| 16:33.51 | Ronin | anisfarhana: how did you get hacked? what makes you think that? |
| 16:34.26 | anisfarhana | Ronin: i have told before about it sir |
| 16:34.37 | enouf | anisfarhana: sorry reinstall Sarge I mean |
| 16:34.38 | raf256 | my Xorg fails to start (startx) with error: can not load default font 'fixed' .. wtf? |
| 16:34.49 | asg | raf256: don't use testing ; /msg dpkg fixed |
| 16:34.59 | Ronin | anisfarhana: when? i dont see anything :) |
| 16:35.08 | enouf | anisfarhana: Sarge has the security.debian.org repo |
| 16:35.08 | asg | Ronin: about 2 hours or so ago |
| 16:35.13 | cydork | Ronin: few hours back |
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| 16:35.28 | anisfarhana | enouf: i wish i can install it , but this is vds , remote server |
| 16:35.37 | enouf | raf256: what the heck .. did you just upgrade from Xfree86? |
| 16:35.43 | withaY | honschu: IIRC, abiword uses aspell for spell checking. if you install the german aspell dictionary, spell checking should work (you might have to tell abiword to use it, though. see abiword's docs.) |
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| 16:35.54 | Ronin | cydork: ack, not searching that far back, we're they really hacked or just think so? |
| 16:36.07 | Corwyn | enouf: it appears that anisfarhana's vds may have been hacked, so she reinstalled debian because that's the best choice given by the host, she wants to make sure it's properly up to date after a fresh install |
| 16:36.19 | enouf | anisfarhana: can't you get/obtain a Sarge ISO abnd install it? |
| 16:36.33 | anisfarhana | enouf: no i can't |
| 16:36.36 | asg | Ronin: it would seems so. The issues are 1) a non-standard lycos hosting kernel with questionable security support, 2) not updating sarge for 6 months. |
| 16:36.38 | enouf | Corwyn: oh .. ok .. |
| 16:36.39 | anisfarhana | Corwyn: thanks for your explaination sir |
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| 16:36.45 | Corwyn | enouf: no, she's got to use what the host provides from the control panel |
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| 16:36.49 | Ronin | heh thanks asg |
| 16:36.57 | Corwyn | no problem |
| 16:36.59 | raf256 | enouf: npo |
| 16:37.10 | raf256 | enouf: no, I installed X-less server and now I want to add X to it |
| 16:37.30 | enouf | anisfarhana: all I can say is please looka round for security.debian.org repos that you can add through uyour mirrors .. I know nothing about lycos repos and such |
| 16:37.50 | Corwyn | thanks enouf |
| 16:37.58 | enouf | Corwyn: I see .. anisfarhana .. listen to others plz .. I'm not sure .. apologies |
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| 16:38.07 | levander | To run lm-sensors, I need some module w83627ehf that isn't on my system. Anybody can tell me where to find it? |
| 16:38.14 | Corwyn | it's ok, I'm assisting her since she's a friend |
| 16:38.20 | Corwyn | but I don't know debian |
| 16:38.24 | enouf | raf256: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:38.26 | k13 | logrotate will _always_ delete old logs? I want to keep them forever, compressed, is there a config for that? |
| 16:38.29 | Corwyn | and there are differences to fedora |
| 16:39.22 | enouf | Corwyn: just wondering why redhat-related is in #debian .. plus I know nothing about redhat/FC/Centos |
| 16:39.32 | enouf | raf256: and? |
| 16:39.34 | Corwyn | hehe |
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| 16:39.43 | Corwyn | helping a friend |
| 16:39.49 | anisfarhana | hmm |
| 16:39.55 | enouf | Corwyn: maybe PM eaach other :-) |
| 16:40.03 | cydork | anisfarhana: what is the problem now? |
| 16:40.04 | Corwyn | now now |
| 16:40.07 | Corwyn | lol |
| 16:40.23 | enouf | I'm no channel guard dog though Corwyn :-P |
| 16:40.25 | raf256 | enouf: I still have same error after apt-get install xorg |
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| 16:40.33 | enouf | to a degree ..that is |
| 16:40.33 | Corwyn | hehe |
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| 16:40.37 | raf256 | enouf: I still have same error after apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 16:40.41 | anisfarhana | cydork: i dont know what to do after i reformat it , i just done with apt-get update and upgrade |
| 16:40.48 | asg | Corwyn: basically, she needs to: 1) use the sources similar to /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list 2) run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade when security issues are announced. 3) make sure the config for her ircd, bnc, and other daemons are sane. |
| 16:40.52 | pumpkin0 | raf256: put the error (log and config) online. |
| 16:41.09 | enouf | raf256: did you drxx? |
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| 16:41.27 | raf256 | enouf: I dont think so |
| 16:41.34 | enouf | raf256: do that |
| 16:41.34 | Corwyn | yeah, basically the same stuff as with any other distro, just use the right commands, I just don't know the debian specifics |
| 16:41.38 | raf256 | enouf: how? |
| 16:41.53 | enouf | raf256: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:42.30 | enouf | raf256: you , my friend, are certainly beyond the handholding phase :-) (i think) |
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| 16:42.41 | asg | Corwyn: also, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html is a good read |
| 16:42.52 | Corwyn | asg, thanks |
| 16:42.59 | asg | Corwyn: you're welcome |
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| 16:44.15 | cydork | Corwyn: and kernel.. always use the kernel in stable :) |
| 16:44.38 | enouf | !love raf256 |
| 16:44.47 | enouf | haha |
| 16:44.51 | Corwyn | cydork: of course, or at least the most stable the vds host provides |
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| 16:44.57 | Orfeous | got problems with apt-get update |
| 16:44.58 | raf256 | enouf: it still doesnt work after reconfigure. now again with error that screen0 is not fucking DRI capabl |
| 16:44.59 | raf256 | -e |
| 16:45.12 | Orfeous | how do i get those pgp-key? |
| 16:45.13 | Corwyn | cydork: it appears that the vds host has a custom kernel |
| 16:45.24 | Ronin | Orfeous: /topic |
| 16:45.27 | enouf | raf256: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:45.59 | enouf | raf256: is that xorg 7.1 ?? what release are you running? |
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| 16:46.15 | k13 | logrotate will _always_ delete old logs? I want to keep them forever, compressed, is there a config for that? |
| 16:46.16 | cydork | Corwyn: ohh that's sad.. |
| 16:46.17 | raf256 | enouf: testing |
| 16:46.23 | enouf | raf256: and are you mixing releases in /sources.list ? |
| 16:46.30 | raf256 | enouf: no |
| 16:46.37 | raf256 | from debian net install cd |
| 16:46.39 | Corwyn | cydork: not uncommon for vds hosts |
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| 16:46.49 | enouf | raf256: dpkg -l xorg ... see 7.1? |
| 16:47.15 | raf256 | xorg* are all uninstalled |
| 16:47.17 | enouf | raf256: hrm... that's odd ,... lspci | grep -i vga |
| 16:47.20 | raf256 | I dont have xorg-common wtf? |
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| 16:47.31 | raf256 | shouldnt xservers-xorg depend on xorg-common |
| 16:47.38 | withaY | k13: /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 16:47.44 | raf256 | enouf: hardware is ok. nvidia, I had debian here before. |
| 16:47.55 | Orfeous | Ronin: i know.. but how do i get the latest key..? i have tried but not working |
| 16:47.56 | enouf | raf256: why not .. "set up x" should've told you that .. not sure |
| 16:48.08 | Ronin | Orfeous: define not working |
| 16:48.25 | cydork | !tell Orfeous -about etch key |
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| 16:48.41 | cydork | !doesn't work |
| 16:48.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:48.48 | hoxu | Can anyone point me to a howto/thread explaining how to get vmware server working on unstable? |
| 16:48.51 | withaY | k13: man logrotate provides a lot of info. |
| 16:48.54 | Orfeous | Ronin: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 16:49.12 | cydork | Orfeous: do what dpkg just messaged you.. |
| 16:49.44 | raf256 | !love me |
| 16:50.06 | k13 | withaY: I've read already the man pages |
| 16:50.37 | enouf | raf256: I just diod an apt-rdepends xorg | grep common and it seems my 7.0 depends on x11-common .. but Etch installer may be 7.1 .. so .. |
| 16:50.40 | k13 | but seems there is no option to do not delete old logs |
| 16:50.40 | Orfeous | Ronin: gpg: requesting key 6070D3A1 from hkp server pgpkeys.mit.edu |
| 16:50.41 | Orfeous | gpg: key 6070D3A1: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed |
| 16:50.53 | SNow | hey, look what happens.. kernel: Critical temperature reached (85 C), shutting down. |
| 16:50.56 | SNow | why is that ? |
| 16:51.01 | k13 | I get upset with this, answering "man command" is just too obvious. |
| 16:51.10 | SNow | I am doing nothing with the server, and he get's me this kind of message |
| 16:51.15 | cydork | SNow: overheating? |
| 16:51.22 | enouf | raf256: apt-cache show xserver-xorg should list your depends for you I'd think |
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| 16:51.28 | Corwyn | thanks for the help, see ya |
| 16:51.32 | pumpkin0 | SNow: failed fan ? |
| 16:51.36 | enouf | waves |
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| 16:51.52 | raf256 | !smite the devel who made the irritating console beeping turned on by default |
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| 16:52.03 | SNow | pumpkin0 it's new computer, today bought. |
| 16:52.10 | earthian | wow i am amazed: i plugged in an usb2 mp3 player and after half minute i am already moving my mp3 from cdrom directly! |
| 16:52.11 | enouf | raf256: still harping on that? .. hehe |
| 16:52.14 | raf256 | I want to kick that devel in the nuts each time I install new debian box |
| 16:52.16 | pumpkin0 | SNow: badly mounted heatsink ? |
| 16:52.28 | zasz | why are you amazed |
| 16:52.29 | SNow | you mean the cooler ? |
| 16:52.30 | earthian | tbfh it is 10 times easier and better then wondoze :D |
| 16:52.39 | raf256 | enouf: I think I will make custom distro with a STFU package to not waste time on such missconfigurations each time |
| 16:52.41 | pumpkin0 | SNow: yes. no thermal paste ? |
| 16:52.41 | enouf | SNow: acpi ? suspend? |
| 16:52.51 | raf256 | *repo |
| 16:52.52 | SNow | I got this message from syslog |
| 16:52.56 | enouf | raf256: alrighty then :-) |
| 16:52.57 | SNow | it's p4 |
| 16:53.09 | hoxu | k13, try "/^ *rotate count" on the manpage :p |
| 16:53.11 | enouf | SNow: did you assemble it? |
| 16:53.19 | pumpkin0 | SNow: that is a thermal problem even with a correctly mounted heatsink ... |
| 16:53.20 | raf256 | enouf: I have to find a debian devel to have the stfu package in official repo? |
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| 16:53.30 | raf256 | apt-get istall stfu # :) |
| 16:53.51 | enouf | raf256: just incorporate a beep script into a SimpleCDD |
| 16:53.58 | SNow | enouf yes I did.. |
| 16:54.00 | doublehp_ | which tool to repair broken FAT partition ? grep says there are still osome bits of datas; disk contain partition; file says partition is not FAT any more; likely I want to recover partition header, and restaure filesystem backup; I almost think the backup is not broken yet. |
| 16:54.19 | enouf | SNow: then answer pumpkin0 about thermal paste and HSF please |
| 16:54.38 | pumpkin0 | doublehp_: use the sleuthkit to get the data back an reformat the wohle partition. |
| 16:54.53 | withaY | k13: you could either set the rotate option to a pretty high number, or have logrotate mail the logs to you. |
| 16:54.55 | k13 | hoxu: the rotate option indicates how many log files will be kept. I don't want a maximum value, I want every log file kept. if you read there where you indicated, setting it to 0 will just delete the old log instead of rotate it |
| 16:54.56 | enouf | got to eat folks .. bb later |
| 16:55.32 | anisfarhana | enouf: enjoy ur meal |
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| 16:56.19 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: I was rather thinking about filesystem backup recopy tool; I am used to xfs_dump |
| 16:56.20 | k13 | withaY: set it to a large numbers seems odd to me. mailing is inapropriate. I thought make a script to rename the file, so logrotate don't get it |
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| 16:56.44 | withaY | sorry for referring to the man pages, k13. but some people don't bother looking at them. |
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| 16:57.05 | k13 | with; that's ok, thanks anyway. I apologize for being rude. |
| 16:57.10 | k13 | withaY |
| 16:57.32 | XrMb2 | hm, just a little off-topic discussion.....what may i use instead of something like "this makes you a star" - i mean, this sounds stupid |
| 16:58.00 | pumpkin0 | doublehp_: sorry, i didn´t understand. What do you wan to do and what data you you have about the fs and in the backup ? |
| 16:58.06 | hoxu | k13, I'd go for the large number, perhaps try -1 first :) |
| 16:58.18 | k13 | hoxu: hehe |
| 16:58.39 | k13 | maybe logrotate should argue a invalid value if I set to -1 |
| 16:58.47 | XrMb2 | any ideas? |
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| 16:59.19 | k13 | hoxu: error: syslog:2 bad rotation count '-1' |
| 16:59.20 | k13 | heeh =) |
| 17:00.28 | Howdy125 | Sun JAVA repo please. |
| 17:00.29 | hoxu | :) |
| 17:00.29 | withaY | k13: i know that this doesn't answer your question, but if you're trying to keep logs recorded for a very long time, there's this really nice log utility called splunk. |
| 17:00.39 | pumpkin0 | !tell Howdy125 about java |
| 17:00.50 | Howdy125 | ty pumpkin0 |
| 17:00.58 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: data are 130MB of listings of the stocks of my shop |
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| 17:02.44 | withaY | k13: ignore that. it was free long ago when it first premiered. apparently isn't any longer. |
| 17:02.46 | k13 | withaY: I can take a look. The (absent) logs are showing themselves of crucial imporance |
| 17:02.51 | k13 | ah, ok. |
| 17:03.02 | k13 | importance* |
| 17:03.44 | livingtm | enouf, Okay i have the modules loading properly.. but the firmware isnt loading automatically. One thing i noticed is that the fxload command in the udev rules file does not match the command i need to type to manually load it- it smissing an important option |
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| 17:05.57 | pumpkin0 | doublehp_: i still think you should recover as much as possible with the sleuthkit, then join these data together with the backup and copy it back to a freshly formated partition. There is nor build-in/special tool for dumping a FAT-fs... |
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| 17:07.01 | Chaka | if i have a directory with 50 directorys in it can i zip all the directorys into indivdual zip files from terminal? |
| 17:07.25 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: autopsy/sleuthkit did find the broken partition, but did not let me manipulate the FS backup |
| 17:07.33 | withaY | k13: maybe the most simple solution is to include something in your logrotate script(s) to move the archived ones elsewhere after they've been archived. |
| 17:08.01 | pumpkin0 | doublehp_: how did you make the backup ? |
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| 17:08.37 | k13 | withaY: yes, I thought of rename them with the date, it's the simplier |
| 17:09.02 | withaY | right |
| 17:09.04 | k13 | I don't want organize them, I just want they present, hehe =P |
| 17:09.18 | k13 | thanks again =) |
| 17:09.29 | withaY | np |
| 17:10.06 | withaY | de rien :) |
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| 17:10.57 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: I did not make any backup; I know that every file system has internal backups of the file tree in the partition itself (ext, reisor, NTFS, XFS ...); I know FAT has one; question is where, and how to recover ? |
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| 17:12.48 | enouf | livingtm: i dunno .. perhpas give this a look over http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:0Emeo980-HsJ:www.openthought.org/blosxom.cgi/Blog/Computers/Organizations/Home/firmware_and_udev.writeback+load+firmware+debian+udev&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 17:13.40 | pumpkin0 | doublehp_: FAT only has the root-description saved at the start and the end of the partition. That does not help you in case of a broken fs (mount checks both places anyway). |
| 17:13.49 | odla | ds |
| 17:13.51 | odla | hi |
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| 17:17.03 | odla | why does aptitude purge evolution want to remove most of gnome? |
| 17:17.18 | SerajewelKS | odla: it doesn't |
| 17:17.32 | odla | SerajewelKS are you sure? |
| 17:17.33 | jeebusroxors | anyone use asterisk? |
| 17:17.35 | SerajewelKS | odla: it wants to remove some of the gnome metapackages |
| 17:17.46 | seb577 | and why use aptitude and not apt? |
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| 17:17.50 | SerajewelKS | odla: however... |
| 17:17.55 | SerajewelKS | seb577: because it's better? |
| 17:17.56 | odla | aptitude is smarter than apt |
| 17:18.01 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: lets givup :) thx. |
| 17:18.05 | jelly | seb577: aptitude keeps track of the packages better |
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| 17:18.13 | odla | especially dependencies |
| 17:18.16 | SerajewelKS | odla: did you 'aptitude install gnome' earlier? |
| 17:18.21 | odla | yup |
| 17:18.35 | seb577 | does it make a cleaner OS? |
| 17:18.39 | SerajewelKS | odla: then aptitude marked all of the gnome packages as automatically installed |
| 17:18.51 | odla | sure |
| 17:19.01 | seb577 | thx |
| 17:19.02 | SerajewelKS | odla: since "gnome" depends on evolution, it wants to remove that metapackage |
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| 17:19.09 | sobersabre | hello, guys. |
| 17:19.14 | seb577 | hi |
| 17:19.17 | odla | i could have sworn it wanted to remove other stuff too not just the meta package |
| 17:19.23 | SerajewelKS | odla: and since the rest of the stuff wasn't explicitly asked for, i guess it's going to throw that out too |
| 17:19.29 | slept | quitte, what happend to #debian-anarchy ? |
| 17:19.33 | sobersabre | I have something basic, but I can't see a ready solution for this, so before I start scripting.... |
| 17:19.36 | SerajewelKS | odla: *nods* i think it will |
| 17:20.05 | SerajewelKS | odla: unless you mark those packages as explicilty requested |
| 17:20.06 | odla | well maybe i'll just use apt-get |
| 17:20.13 | SerajewelKS | odla: or dpkg =) |
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| 17:20.17 | odla | i don't use aptitude as a gui |
| 17:20.17 | seb577 | is it a great solution to remove gnome with apt and reinstall with aptitude? |
| 17:20.24 | SerajewelKS | odla: me neither |
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| 17:20.29 | unseensoul | hi |
| 17:20.36 | odla | well thanks |
| 17:20.37 | sobersabre | I want to create NIS accounts with a password. I want then to send that password via email, and I want to force user to change that password on 1st login. |
| 17:20.43 | SerajewelKS | seb577: that probably would not work |
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| 17:21.21 | seb577 | if it take care about your system it should be a great solution no? |
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| 17:21.37 | sobersabre | I thought of playing with the expiration fields in the shadow file, but as for the 1st login, I think I will have to add a custom login program... |
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| 17:23.19 | thet463 | hello all |
| 17:23.30 | thet463 | anyone experience on qmail undelivery problem? |
| 17:23.32 | SerajewelKS | seb577: if it did, yes. but it won't. |
| 17:23.40 | SerajewelKS | !tell thet463 about ask |
| 17:23.56 | unseensoul | how can i install additional fonts? |
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| 17:24.23 | SerajewelKS | unseensoul: GNOME and KDE have mechanisms for that. are you using either of them? |
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| 17:26.01 | Hoxzer | HI, I tried kernel 2.6.18 on stable (installed via backports) and as it didn't fix my driver problem I moved back to kernel 2.6.8. But now my mouse seems to be broken what could cause this? |
| 17:26.32 | Hoxzer | laptop touchpad is the mouse |
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| 17:27.03 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: "broken" as in "does not work in X" or "computer does not see input?" |
| 17:27.06 | klikklak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.06 | klikklak | composite tv out, would I be able to use it as a general tvout for my computer ? (ie. watch movies and not just telly) I'm guessing that I can't |
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| 17:27.35 | Hoxzer | SerajewelKS: X log says "device doesn't exist" |
| 17:27.47 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: which device node? |
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| 17:28.02 | SerajewelKS | /dev/input/mice? |
| 17:28.06 | Hoxzer | /dev/psaux |
| 17:28.11 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 17:28.21 | SerajewelKS | does ls -l /dev/psaux say anything? |
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| 17:28.27 | SerajewelKS | are you using udev or hotplug? |
| 17:28.41 | Hoxzer | SerajewelKS: yeah, the file exists |
| 17:28.59 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: cat /dev/psaux from a terminal and move the mouse around |
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| 17:29.06 | Hoxzer | SerajewelKS: wait a SEC |
| 17:29.10 | vlt | Hello. After a security update of the pkg "screen" I can't access my session anymore. The error message is "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 775". `stat -c "%a" /var/run/screen` shows me 755. What's wrong here? |
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| 17:29.26 | SerajewelKS | vlt: chmod it? |
| 17:29.32 | slept | sobersabre, just add passwd at the end of .bashrc this will force the user to change its password and after that remove that line |
| 17:30.04 | SerajewelKS | slept: that won't really force anything |
| 17:30.11 | vlt | SerajewelKS: To what mode? |
| 17:30.35 | SerajewelKS | vlt: uhm, seeing as screen says "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 775" i would think you could figure it out |
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| 17:30.54 | vlt | SerajewelKS: OMFG, I must be blind!!! Thank you :) |
| 17:31.00 | SerajewelKS | vlt: haha np =) |
| 17:31.34 | slept | SerajewelKS, at least it will make the user change it and then you can add an if statement if changed copy new .bashrc if not delete account, or are there other problems which i dont get ? |
| 17:31.47 | vlt | SerajewelKS: Ok, it works now. Thx again. |
| 17:31.57 | SerajewelKS | slept: ^C, ^D, or \n\n\n\n will bypass it |
| 17:32.01 | SerajewelKS | vlt: np |
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| 17:33.02 | slept | SerajewelKS, you can dissable that ... |
| 17:33.05 | jtc_0043 | hi, i'm trying to setup a mailserver with the tutorial from http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml.de |
| 17:33.05 | jtc_0043 | but i've some problems, |
| 17:33.05 | jtc_0043 | when i'm testing the server with telnet there are some lines missing, can someone tell me what i have to do to get them? |
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| 17:34.14 | slept | SerajewelKS, with trap |
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| 17:35.21 | jtc_0043 | # telnet hostname |
| 17:35.21 | jtc_0043 | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 17:35.21 | jtc_0043 | Connected to hostname. |
| 17:35.21 | jtc_0043 | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 17:35.21 | jtc_0043 | 220 hostname ESMTP Postfix |
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| 17:35.53 | Hoxzer | SerajewelKS: problem Solved, Udev didn't work with "stable kernel" so I removed it and reinstalled hotplug (which was removed when udev was installed) |
| 17:37.40 | unseensoul | SerajewelKS, i'm sorry for the long time. yes i'm currently using gnome |
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| 17:39.01 | SerajewelKS | unseensoul: i think there is a "fonts" virtual folder that you can manipulate |
| 17:39.56 | unseensoul | SerajewelKS, fonts:/// ? is it safe to place them there? |
| 17:40.36 | jeebusroxors | hey, can someone explain apt to me? |
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| 17:40.53 | jeebusroxors | im trying to get asterisk going but im having some issues |
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| 17:44.17 | iuso | hi, i tried to install Sarge with the adp94xx driver (http://www.jimmy.co.at/weblog/?p=71#comments), but noticed that the netinstall ISO kernel is 2.4. is there a 2.6 option? |
| 17:44.18 | optraz | hello, i got this wireless card:: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) //what driver do i need to install in order to use this wireless network card? |
| 17:44.29 | iuso | optraz: ipw3945.sf.net |
| 17:45.10 | optraz | thanks iuso |
| 17:45.19 | slept | sobersabre, SerajewelKS , i think i figured it out have a try trap 2;passwd ; if (( $?==0)); then echo "copy new"; else echo "deluser ..."; fi |
| 17:47.08 | itchi | optraz: Hold on |
| 17:47.18 | optraz | anyone has laptop with amd processor? would like to know how well is linux driver on amd proc and wireless card |
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| 17:47.30 | optraz | itchi, ? |
| 17:47.33 | fourat | how to query list all packages that arent dependent to one given package ? |
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| 17:48.26 | jair | jaarnold: hey? |
| 17:48.31 | jair | jaarnold: are you here? |
| 17:48.49 | jair | jaarnold: I just wake up my friend. |
| 17:48.50 | itchi | optraz: apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686; modprobe ieee80211; Get the file ipw3945-1.1.2 and follow the instructions. But do not install ieee80211 stuff, these are build in the kernel of Etch |
| 17:49.25 | optraz | itchi, thanks. but where do u get that information from ? |
| 17:49.38 | itchi | optraz: Have the same card here |
| 17:49.52 | jair | jaarnold: did you figure out how to install irssi on your linux 64 bit then :) |
| 17:49.56 | optraz | itchi, i see. but where do you get that info from ? |
| 17:50.02 | optraz | itchi, would like to read myself :) |
| 17:50.12 | iuso | optraz: ipw3945.sf.net |
| 17:50.48 | itchi | optraz: On the website project of ipw3945 are many info, just not install that ieee* stuff, like the kernel already have it, otherwise it mess the things up |
| 17:51.11 | optraz | itchi, right |
| 17:51.11 | optraz | thanks |
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| 17:51.39 | itchi | optraz: Just get ipw3945-1.1.2, ipw3945d-1.7.22 |
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| 17:52.55 | itchi | optraz: I can pastebin an note if you want |
| 17:53.02 | itchi | optraz: Need you the monitor mode? |
| 17:53.07 | vin` | !info ipw3945d etch |
| 17:53.13 | optraz | itchi, appreciate it! |
| 17:53.19 | optraz | itchi, please do :) |
| 17:53.20 | itchi | optraz: Otherwise you need to modify the make file an uncomment an line |
| 17:53.29 | jair | jaarnold: hope you comeback soon man ZZzzz? |
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| 17:55.28 | itchi | optraz: http://pastebin.ca/256813 |
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| 17:55.38 | iuso | let me ask again what i came here to query about: is the sarge installer kernel always 2.4? |
| 17:55.59 | optraz | thanks itchi |
| 17:56.10 | variable_office | i am new to debian, is there a netconfig (redhat) like utility for debian? |
| 17:56.25 | itchi | optraz: Ask if you have some questions/troubles to set it up |
| 17:56.32 | optraz | itchi, i cant locate ipw3945d01.7.22. anyway, ,what are these packages for ? |
| 17:56.40 | optraz | itchi, thanks, will do |
| 17:56.48 | itchi | optraz: You need to download that on the ipw project site |
| 17:57.09 | itchi | !ipw3945 |
| 17:57.09 | dpkg | well, ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:57.13 | optraz | ok. |
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| 17:57.31 | itchi | optraz: But read the note, and not install that ieee* stuff there |
| 17:57.34 | optraz | im aptgetting, firmware-ipw3945 |
| 17:57.35 | killerstorm | helo. tomcat5 is not launchable out-of-the box. however, i see it pulls some dependencies (like gij) and they are satisfied. is it ok? |
| 17:57.40 | optraz | okie |
| 17:58.03 | itchi | optraz: You can follow the instruction on the project site, by keeping the note on the other hand. |
| 17:58.28 | optraz | right |
| 17:59.00 | itchi | optraz: I have setup it 3 times, so normally that note should be right, maybe many spell erorrs :-) |
| 18:00.05 | optraz | hhehehe |
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| 18:01.02 | optraz | itchi, are u using gnome or ? |
| 18:01.02 | itchi | optraz: Maybe you need to monitor mode, i suggest you that you also uncomment that line in the make file. Otherwise you can not use airsnort, aircrack etch |
| 18:01.26 | optraz | lovely, i keep a note on that |
| 18:01.36 | itchi | optraz: Gnome and Fluxbox, jumping. But switch some time to another one available |
| 18:01.48 | optraz | i seee... |
| 18:02.09 | fourat | how to query list all packages that arent dependent to one given package ? |
| 18:02.12 | optraz | itchi, after have setup the wireless card, do i have GUI to connect to the Access Point ? |
| 18:02.31 | itchi | optraz: Like now i have an new laptop, Gnome :-) my prvious laptop was an 300MHz |
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| 18:03.06 | optraz | itchi, i have dual core, 1GB ram and 60GB sata disk on new shinning laptop :D |
| 18:03.11 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, you have some GUI tools to setup, give ip, access point id and so. Or you an do it on the cli. There are many tools, you need to choice |
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| 18:03.37 | tolecnal | Anyone else using iceweasel with the flash 9.0 plugin, and experiencing extremely sluggish performance? |
| 18:03.38 | optraz | itchi, what is the default wireless GUI for gnome ? |
| 18:03.49 | tolecnal | more specificly: iceweasel 2.0+dfsg-1 and Shockwave Flash 9.0 d78 |
| 18:03.59 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, here too duo 1,6 same ram, and 100GB, DVD-RAM DL |
| 18:04.40 | optraz | itchi, nice! |
| 18:04.41 | itchi | optraz: Desktop / Administration / Networking and that's is it |
| 18:04.50 | sobersabre | ok, guys. slept your solution still has problems. |
| 18:04.59 | optraz | itchi, i see, thanks |
| 18:05.02 | itchi | optraz: But you have many little aplets that you can use. So that these give info |
| 18:05.04 | slept | sobersabre, which one ? |
| 18:05.26 | slept | sobersabre, ahm not wich , what is the problem ? |
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| 18:05.58 | itchi | optraz: Also for the duo core, i have 2 applets for the cpu, for when i'm without the powercable, cpufreqd automatically scale the cpu to 800MHz |
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| 18:07.03 | sobersabre | slept my mistake. your idea is perfect. |
| 18:07.06 | itchi | optraz: Maybe you need also to look to the wm* applets |
| 18:07.20 | optraz | itchi, was and still big fan for xfce :D |
| 18:07.21 | optraz | okie |
| 18:07.21 | optraz | itchi, what brand is your laptop ? |
| 18:07.36 | sobersabre | I don't need to del user, I will simply be in an infinite loop. |
| 18:07.40 | zaphands | Hello. I would like to create a development environment for an open source program, but I don't want to overwrite my current library files. Is this possible using chroot? If so, how do I do it? |
| 18:07.41 | itchi | optraz: Toshiba Satellite A110-178 |
| 18:07.57 | optraz | mmm |
| 18:08.07 | optraz | my cpu always clock @ 1.66GHz XD |
| 18:08.48 | itchi | optraz: You need to setup cpufreqd, is easy to do, so you gain power when you are without the power cable. The cpu are scalled to consum lesser power |
| 18:09.05 | optraz | itchi, i only can find this, ipw3945-1.1.2.tgz , what about the other package? |
| 18:09.15 | optraz | mmmmm |
| 18:09.19 | optraz | okie, i apt get that |
| 18:09.21 | itchi | optraz: The other is the deamon |
| 18:09.22 | optraz | thanks |
| 18:09.48 | optraz | itchi, where can i dl that ? |
| 18:09.52 | itchi | optraz: You need to read the manpage of the cpufreqd, is easy to setup you will see. And helpful! |
| 18:09.57 | itchi | optraz: Wait |
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| 18:10.41 | itchi | optraz: The site is not yet clear, i remember; http://bughost.org/ipw3945/ |
| 18:11.28 | optraz | hehehe |
| 18:11.31 | optraz | thanks! |
| 18:11.37 | itchi | optraz: On the project page, in the section requirements, the 1) there are an linkg that point to ^^ |
| 18:12.16 | itchi | optraz: How long time your laptop stay up without the powercable? |
| 18:12.16 | optraz | hahaaha |
| 18:12.33 | optraz | i htink about 2hours |
| 18:12.41 | optraz | just have it last week |
| 18:12.43 | optraz | wednesday :D |
| 18:12.49 | optraz | and yours? |
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| 18:13.06 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, me is 2 weeks old :-) |
| 18:13.47 | itchi | optraz: After you have setup your wifi, setup that cpufreq ;-) |
| 18:14.04 | itchi | optraz: Is it an centrino? |
| 18:14.22 | optraz | yes |
| 18:14.26 | optraz | centrino duo :D |
| 18:14.34 | optraz | u have intel wireless card, must be intel cpu ;) |
| 18:14.35 | valdyn | optraz: which debian release did you install? |
| 18:14.36 | itchi | optraz: Gona paste another note :-p |
| 18:14.56 | optraz | valdyn, etch, why ? |
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| 18:15.04 | optraz | itchi, thanks :D cpufreqd ? |
| 18:15.09 | itchi | optraz: yes |
| 18:15.18 | optraz | heheheh |
| 18:15.19 | valdyn | optraz: because im recommending 'powersaved' if you use etch |
| 18:15.21 | itchi | optraz: Or at least, the duo setup |
| 18:15.21 | optraz | itchi, thanks! |
| 18:15.34 | itchi | optraz: smp package is installed? |
| 18:15.56 | valdyn | optraz: gets hd / cpu and more into powersave mode / throttled. |
| 18:16.13 | optraz | itchi, yes, smp kernel is installed to able to see the duo core :D |
| 18:16.25 | optraz | valdyn, how ? :D |
| 18:16.25 | valdyn | smp isnt default yet? |
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| 18:16.34 | optraz | valdyn, no |
| 18:16.40 | optraz | valdyn, not in etch |
| 18:16.40 | valdyn | optraz: apt-get install powersaved |
| 18:16.45 | valdyn | optraz: ok |
| 18:16.46 | marchino | is it possible to upgrade debian from i386 architecture to amd64? |
| 18:16.52 | valdyn | marchino: no |
| 18:16.56 | optraz | valdyn, thanks will do after the ipw thingy |
| 18:17.06 | marchino | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:17.23 | jovans | did i must reconf my kernel 2.6.18 on debian unstable for bootsplash? |
| 18:17.47 | valdyn | jovans: if you have to ask like that, why bother using bootsplash? its pointless |
| 18:17.51 | jovans | hi LightKnight how are you |
| 18:17.51 | dpkg | eh, ok, jovans |
| 18:17.51 | h3sp4wn | bootsplash is a kernel patch which is not in by default as far as I remember |
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| 18:18.29 | jovans | ok is not a must but looks better |
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| 18:18.36 | jeebusroxors | does anyone run asterisk on debian? |
| 18:18.36 | Sniper_jo | hi guys, how can u run a command as a user to find out if i have priviladges to run a certain app |
| 18:18.40 | odla | why is that if i run aptitude purge evolution it tries to remove all of my gnome packages telling me they are unused? |
| 18:18.50 | jeebusroxors | Sniper_jo: ls -l |
| 18:18.51 | jovans | but grup splash works withaout reconf? |
| 18:18.54 | itchi | valdyn: Is powersaved beter than cpufreq? |
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| 18:19.37 | optraz | itchi, i suggest your note link is bookmark down by dpkg. im pretty sure these questions i ask today will repeat in the near future ;) |
| 18:19.41 | itchi | optraz: That's my whole note of the laptop http://pastebin.ca/256827 |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn | itchi: i cant tell really about 'better', im happy with powersaved not because it scales my cpu better but because contrary to cpufreq it does handle all my powersaving stuff, including suspend / hibernate |
| 18:19.59 | Sniper_jo | jeebusroxors: well for example i want to see if i have enough priviladges to run a package called flite... how would i do that? |
| 18:20.10 | optraz | valdyn, hibernate?! interesting! |
| 18:20.12 | jeebusroxors | Sniper_jo: do you know how toread ls -l output? |
| 18:20.26 | optraz | itchi, thanks got your link |
| 18:20.35 | itchi | valdyn: hhhm, im interesting, gona test it, like i know a bit now how cpufreq does it. |
| 18:20.49 | Sniper_jo | jeebusroxors no i dont |
| 18:20.55 | odla | is there a way that i can evolution to not remove those packages? |
| 18:21.01 | odla | that they are in fact used |
| 18:21.12 | itchi | brb, Gona eat, food is there |
| 18:21.19 | valdyn | optraz: hibernate is windows terminology for suspending to disk, i guess |
| 18:21.24 | optraz | itchi, valdyn what about firewire interface? u guys managed to setup ? |
| 18:21.38 | jeebusroxors | Sniper_jo: you got my query ? |
| 18:22.02 | optraz | valdyn, yes, i like to concept of hibernate whereby if my laptop battery run out power, then it will suspend everything into the disk |
| 18:22.16 | itchi | optraz: I have no stuff that use that, can not test it |
| 18:22.48 | Sniper_jo | jebusroxors yea but i dont understand it |
| 18:23.12 | valdyn | Sniper_jo: learn about permissions, for instance at |
| 18:23.18 | valdyn | !wikifaq Sniper_jo Permissions |
| 18:23.18 | dpkg | Sniper_jo: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:23.54 | optraz | so itchi valdyn cpufreqd or powersaved? |
| 18:24.16 | jeebusroxors | does anyone run asterisk on debian? |
| 18:24.38 | optraz | jeebusroxors, merelyh apt-get install it and run it. other than that, no |
| 18:24.41 | Sniper_jo | valdyn: thatnks but where do i find the app if i installed it using apt-get |
| 18:24.57 | optraz | Sniper_jo, dpkg -L Package_name |
| 18:25.02 | jeebusroxors | optraz: i with it was that easy |
| 18:25.08 | valdyn | optraz: up to you. If you want to install several packages for spinning disks down / cpu scaling / brightness reduction on batter, then cpufreq does its part, if you want all in 1 packages, then powersaved does that |
| 18:25.27 | valdyn | Sniper_jo: which app |
| 18:25.40 | optraz | valdyn, i see |
| 18:25.42 | Sniper_jo | valdyn flite |
| 18:26.12 | optraz | valdyn, how long have u been configured powersaved? |
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| 18:26.39 | valdyn | optraz: hehe, i dont remember, i customised it all for max powersaving, maybe 10 minutes |
| 18:26.49 | BleSS | how download files with curl (via web)? is possible with wget? |
| 18:26.51 | valdyn | optraz: you're probably fine with defaults.. then its 0 time |
| 18:27.24 | valdyn | Sniper_jo: have you read the documentation? |
| 18:27.32 | Flimqy | I'm thinking of ordering a gigabit switch for my home... is there any reason not to get just a cheap one? |
| 18:27.46 | valdyn | Flimqy: for your home? no |
| 18:27.54 | Flimqy | cool. |
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| 18:29.03 | valdyn | Flimqy: you are likely going to have issues saturating 1Gbit bandwidth at all or even half of that... |
| 18:29.09 | optraz | valdyn, does it have GUI configuration or CLI ? |
| 18:29.11 | Flimqy | valdyn: true. |
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| 18:29.33 | valdyn | optraz: if you use kde, yea |
| 18:29.35 | Flimqy | Are there issues with Linux compatibility and gigabit NICs? Or are most gigabit chipets supported in linux by now? |
| 18:29.43 | optraz | valdyn, gnome user here |
| 18:29.51 | valdyn | optraz: there's a kpowersave tool or somesuch, i havent used it |
| 18:29.59 | optraz | okie |
| 18:30.03 | optraz | itchi, u still there? |
| 18:30.15 | valdyn | Flimqy: you should ask about a specific card... |
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| 18:30.27 | valdyn | Flimqy: 'most' is useless when yours doesnt work ) |
| 18:30.31 | Flimqy | hehe |
| 18:30.39 | Flimqy | Well I know that 99% of 10/100 nics work in Linux now |
| 18:30.48 | Flimqy | was just wondering if that was true with gigabit nics, too. |
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| 18:31.28 | valdyn | Flimqy: most are built in intel or marvell or nvidia, i guess |
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| 18:31.51 | valdyn | Flimqy: those do work, new marvell used to have issues, havent heared of any lately |
| 18:33.07 | earthian | i am connected to a server that has a mandrake 10 linux and ls command that is 5.96 has colored output... however my ls which is v5.97 is grey/black how do i turn the colors on there? |
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| 18:33.22 | valdyn | earthian: ls -color |
| 18:33.59 | earthian | valdyn, what about default? |
| 18:34.19 | earthian | would be nice to have colors by default without a need to enter ls --color |
| 18:34.29 | valdyn | earthian: that's not a default, that's an alias, type 'alias' on that mandrake box and look for ls --color in that list |
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| 18:34.39 | perlmonk | earthian, if it's bash, edit your .bashrc |
| 18:34.44 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 18:34.55 | perlmonk | ...or .zshrc if zsh |
| 18:35.01 | valdyn | earthian: debian has these aliases prepared but commented out |
| 18:35.14 | valdyn | earthian: for bash anyway |
| 18:35.21 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 18:35.26 | earthian | thanks alot :) |
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| 18:37.21 | gubluntu | ps -e shows a process called "logger" is that legit or have i been hax0red? |
| 18:37.50 | perlmonk | I got it too |
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| 18:38.10 | perlmonk | gubluntu, It's part of mysql |
| 18:38.14 | gubluntu | excellent |
| 18:38.18 | gubluntu | thank you |
| 18:38.21 | perlmonk | yw |
| 18:38.41 | gubluntu | how do i find out where mysql is so i can kick his butt for logging my keystrokes |
| 18:38.46 | gubluntu | jk! |
| 18:38.49 | gubluntu | thx again! |
| 18:38.51 | gubluntu | byeeeee |
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| 18:39.14 | optraz | itchi, u there? |
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| 18:42.15 | itchi | optraz: Yup, eating |
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| 18:42.36 | optraz | itchi, can i paste u error |
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| 18:42.40 | optraz | ? |
| 18:42.44 | optraz | on private message? |
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| 18:43.35 | abeco | Hello, I need a little help with an external usb disk (it is USB 2 an goes terribly slow). It seems that sync is enabled (when seeing the result of the mount command) but even with sync write enable goes too slow |
| 18:44.21 | itchi | optraz: Im eating lol :-) |
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| 18:44.55 | Eulex | itchi, does lol taste well? :P |
| 18:45.12 | optraz | lol |
| 18:45.22 | optraz | okie, i paste in pastebin |
| 18:45.24 | optraz | just a sec |
| 18:45.33 | itchi | Eulex: Sorry, have note it in the short way, not want to mess the keyboard with pasta :-) |
| 18:47.02 | cbr | is there any way to get dvd menus working in mplayer? |
| 18:48.03 | optraz | itchi, http://pastebin.ca/256851 |
| 18:48.19 | optraz | itchi, that happened on the almost last step of your wireless quest |
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| 18:49.21 | optraz | itchi, what are the 2 lines for anyway? |
| 18:49.39 | itchi | optraz: Module is already loaded, now you need to use that /load or /unload in the ipw3945xx dir |
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| 18:50.22 | optraz | itchi, dont understand |
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| 18:51.09 | itchi | optraz: cd /path/ipw3945-1.1.2; ./unload |
| 18:51.23 | optraz | okie |
| 18:51.25 | itchi | optraz: Or wait 5 more minutes, near done here ;-) |
| 18:51.34 | optraz | ok |
| 18:51.40 | optraz | yes, u r eating lol ;P |
| 18:51.45 | cbr | does debian's mplayer support dvdnav? |
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| 18:54.44 | jeebusroxors | can someone help me with apt-get? |
| 18:54.57 | itchi | cbr: I use xine or vlc |
| 18:55.08 | itchi | optraz: Have you find it? |
| 18:55.13 | optraz | itchi, u done with pasta? |
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| 18:55.20 | itchi | optraz: Yup |
| 18:55.23 | optraz | find what? |
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| 18:55.44 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, possibly, what do you need? |
| 18:55.55 | r0tu_ | anyone out there with linux airodump experience? |
| 18:55.56 | itchi | optraz: How to solve it. Like the module is already in use it's looks, so it have been loaded, looks to work then |
| 18:56.16 | optraz | itchi, ok |
| 18:56.25 | itchi | optraz: You can checkout wiht lsmod too |
| 18:56.33 | r0tu_ | I'll give you a free cookie if you help me :) |
| 18:56.38 | optraz | itchi, i have questoin on the file at /etc/modules.d/ipw3945 |
| 18:56.40 | jeebusroxors | Phlosten: http://pastebin.isawsome.net/pastebin.php?show=82 |
| 18:56.41 | optraz | what does it for ? |
| 18:57.00 | itchi | optraz: lsmod? |
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| 18:57.15 | itchi | optraz: sorry ;-) |
| 18:57.39 | itchi | Need quick to wash the hands |
| 18:58.01 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, one sec |
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| 18:58.08 | livingtm | anyone know how to test if a udev action/rule is being executed? |
| 18:58.10 | jeebusroxors | Phlosten: kewl |
| 18:58.41 | Flimqy | Anyone know if VLC is multithreaded, to take advantage of multi-core systems for playback of a single stream? |
| 18:58.54 | optraz | itchi, i have question on the file at /etc/modules.d/ipw3945 |
| 18:58.58 | optraz | itchi, what does it for ? |
| 18:59.24 | itchi | optraz: ipw3945 (project site) says to do it so |
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| 19:00.08 | itchi | optraz: You have manually load the module i guess |
| 19:00.11 | jovans | iceweasel locations avalible? |
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| 19:00.30 | optraz | itchi, okay, |
| 19:00.34 | dutche- | Hi, I have 2 vars that is set to "/data/files" and "/vol1/backup" , and I need to make a shell script that cuts this first part, and replace with a given string, like "tmp", so when I run the program, it will show my values like "/tmp/files" and "/tmp/backups" , does anybody knows how can I do this??? |
| 19:00.52 | optraz | itchi, looks to me that this line, install ipw3945 |
| 19:00.57 | optraz | itchi, is wrong |
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| 19:01.46 | itchi | optraz: You did /sbin/ipw3945d-start ? Which line number on the pastebin? |
| 19:01.59 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, maybe try 'dpkg-reconfigure asterisk' , see what that tells you |
| 19:02.31 | optraz | itchi, line 66 |
| 19:02.31 | jeebusroxors | Phlosten: i just removed and purged it gimmie a sec |
| 19:03.13 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, cool, funny little error you have |
| 19:03.13 | itchi | optraz: That is not of the whole note pastebin? Looks 264 |
| 19:03.23 | jeebusroxors | dpkg-reconfigure asterisk |
| 19:03.24 | jeebusroxors | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: asterisk is broken or not fully installed |
| 19:03.29 | jeebusroxors | Phlosten: story of my life ;) |
| 19:03.38 | dark_light | is there any way to make a X program inside a dchroot instalation use direct rendering? being the X app 32bits and the whole system 64bits.. :( |
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| 19:04.31 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, i am not familiar with asterisk, so not sure what it is trying to do |
| 19:04.36 | itchi | optraz: Just checked in the INSTALL file, is been right |
| 19:04.48 | dark_light | i was reading this: http://www.seanius.net/geek/amd64/cedega-hl2-amd64.html and i can use cedega the way he said, but he said "note that if you use nvidia's drivers, you'll also want to install the nvidia-glx package." so maybe the dchroot can use direct rendering.. |
| 19:05.04 | itchi | optraz: Looks bit strange too |
| 19:05.28 | Corwyn | forgive my ignorance about debian, but where does debian store files like the iptables datafile? |
| 19:05.33 | optraz | itchi, # echo install ipw3945 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ipw3945 ; \ // how does it know WHERE to install ipw3945? |
| 19:05.36 | itchi | optraz: But these have writher that driver, so i guess these know what these do with it |
| 19:05.42 | jeebusroxors | Phlosten: it looks like i do a remove and purge and all the files are there |
| 19:05.51 | optraz | itchi, what am i suspecting now is that, it dont specify the full path to the ipw3945? |
| 19:06.07 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, yeah, just not finishing the final config bit. doing some googling atm |
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| 19:06.18 | jeebusroxors | heh good luck |
| 19:06.21 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, it's line 264 of http://pastebin.ca/256827 |
| 19:06.30 | dark_light | i installed fglrx ati driver inside the dchroot but there i get "OpenGL vendor string: Brian Paul" (outside the chroot i get: "OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.") |
| 19:06.36 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, heh, yes I see why |
| 19:06.41 | itchi | optraz: No, that's the module, that's widely available |
| 19:06.53 | itchi | optraz: Look in the INSTALL file |
| 19:07.20 | jeebusroxors | wtf... |
| 19:07.25 | optraz | itchi, so next time when i reboot my laptop, willl it load up the module ? |
| 19:07.47 | itchi | optraz: If you follow the whole setup, yes, othewise not |
| 19:07.57 | optraz | mmmm |
| 19:07.59 | optraz | ok |
| 19:08.03 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, ? |
| 19:08.22 | jeebusroxors | Phlosten: i do a locate asterisk and a whole bunch of stuff comes up |
| 19:08.24 | jeebusroxors | but its not there |
| 19:08.26 | itchi | optraz: I just did not one step, like i want manually to start the driver. Im a bit parano |
| 19:08.30 | Corwyn | anyone, I'm a fedora user helping a friend with debian, where does debian store it's iptables datafile, on fedora it's /etc/sysconfig, I don't know where it belongs on debian by default. |
| 19:08.36 | oOGneaOo | jeebusroxors: you need to run updatedb |
| 19:08.59 | optraz | itchi, to start it manually, 2 things:: modprobe ipw3945 and ipw3945d-start |
| 19:09.09 | oOGneaOo | Corwyn: anywhere, there isn't a specific location |
| 19:09.54 | itchi | optraz: I just need to do /sbin/ipw*-start as root user and go |
| 19:09.55 | Corwyn | ok |
| 19:09.55 | oOGneaOo | jeebusroxors: and if files are still there after a purge, then they're probably owned by another package |
| 19:09.55 | Corwyn | thank you |
| 19:09.55 | oOGneaOo | np |
| 19:10.06 | jeebusroxors | oOGneaOo: theyre not |
| 19:10.12 | optraz | itchi, i see,thanks.. i think i got that working now@ |
| 19:10.17 | oOGneaOo | jeebusroxors: how do you know? |
| 19:10.32 | Corwyn | one final question, is there supposed to be a /etc/init.d/iptables startup script when iptables installs, or is that expected to be created custom? |
| 19:11.20 | itchi | optraz: Look in the INSTALL file if you want that automatically at boot time. |
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| 19:12.12 | itchi | optraz: It's just an litle more setup |
| 19:12.41 | itchi | optraz: Have you tweak the Make file of the ipw3945? |
| 19:13.12 | optraz | itchi, yes, the monitor mode |
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| 19:13.48 | itchi | optraz: Good, otherwise you had need to manually remove some files before rebuilding the modules. |
| 19:13.59 | Phlosten | jeebusroxors, have you trying removing the package file and redownloading? |
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| 19:14.25 | optraz | hehehe |
| 19:14.30 | optraz | tahnks |
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| 19:15.59 | optraz | itchi, im thinking, which one to install, cpufreq or powersafe from valdyn |
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| 19:16.30 | itchi | optraz: I go to tet powersaved |
| 19:16.36 | itchi | optraz: test |
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| 19:17.02 | optraz | itchi, according to valdyn , powersaved has all integration into 1 |
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| 19:17.32 | itchi | optraz: Like valdyn already told. cpufreqd need other little apps, ideall if you want to add your own scripts/apps. |
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| 19:17.54 | optraz | mmm |
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| 19:18.17 | itchi | optraz: cpufreqd works fine, maybe more setup, but still not complicated. |
| 19:18.35 | optraz | itchi, ok, since i dont know both, i start with cpufreqd first |
| 19:18.51 | optraz | itchi, i saw in your article, u managed to get modem56k up running ? |
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| 19:20.09 | itchi | optraz: I have no phone line here, i can not test it |
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| 19:20.17 | setog3 | who know a file manager between rox and mc and shell .. I search a file manager with regex.. and an easy way to clean many ddirectory .. (like all file with date > .. move to old ) .. |
| 19:20.34 | optraz | okie, that is good enough |
| 19:20.41 | optraz | itchi, im reading your articles |
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| 19:22.17 | optraz | itchi, is your hdd sata disk or ? |
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| 19:22.50 | itchi | optraz: Yes, still not solved, and without dma |
| 19:23.06 | optraz | itchi, hdparm is only for PATA disks..... |
| 19:23.16 | optraz | for sata disk, u cannot use hdparm |
| 19:23.29 | optraz | itchi, it is called scsisomething something |
| 19:23.51 | itchi | optraz: See http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
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| 19:24.07 | optraz | yes, scsitools |
| 19:25.43 | optraz | itchi, for screen reso, u can use package 915resolution |
| 19:25.46 | itchi | optraz: Actually an generic ide driver is used for the hdd, lesser performance but a bit more compatible. I think it will be solved in the .18 kernel |
| 19:26.09 | optraz | itchi, mmmm...ok.. |
| 19:27.00 | optraz | itchi, n. Edit the file '/boot/menu.lst': // htis is wrong! /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:28.41 | optraz | itch, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 root=/dev/sda6 ro acpi=on vga=791 // what is the acpi on for ? if i add this line into my menu.lst , do i need to make sure my kernel support acpi as well ? |
| 19:28.41 | itchi | optraz: Updated |
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| 19:29.17 | optraz | itchi, link? |
| 19:29.18 | itchi | optraz: New stuff after 2000(i think) support acpi, some still not |
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| 19:29.41 | optraz | okie |
| 19:30.10 | optraz | itch, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 root=/dev/sda6 ro acpi=on vga=791 // what is the acpi on for ? if i add this line into my menu.lst , do i need to make sure my kernel support acpi as well ? |
| 19:30.33 | itchi | optraz: No |
| 19:30.44 | optraz | okie |
| 19:31.12 | itchi | optraz: Yust modprobe the modules, or use modconf to select each module; if you want an interface |
| 19:31.32 | itchi | optraz: Is acpi module loaded? |
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| 19:32.00 | eduhat | how would i extract a .zip file? |
| 19:32.24 | miro_ | hi guys, is there a way to bring my system to clean stage with out formatting my oc ? |
| 19:32.25 | optraz | itchi, i don tknow :( tell me ? |
| 19:32.26 | Eulex | you'd unzip it |
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| 19:32.28 | miro_ | pc ! |
| 19:32.35 | sussudio | eduhat: well, first you take off your pants and socks. |
| 19:32.35 | Eulex | unzip filename |
| 19:32.40 | e-type | hi all |
| 19:32.43 | Phlosten | sussudio, heh |
| 19:32.48 | itchi | eduhat: If you want to take it the easiest way, install unp and unp foo.zip |
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| 19:33.55 | itchi | optraz: Install modconf |
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| 19:34.45 | itchi | optraz: Once installed, run it as root user. You get an long list with all the available modules. And you only need to select it; so that these are loaded at boot time. |
| 19:35.09 | e-type | I have a locking problem with my nfs shared /var/cache/apt/ |
| 19:35.14 | e-type | rpc services are running |
| 19:35.26 | e-type | any obvious stuff that pops into anyone's mind? |
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| 19:35.46 | optraz | itchi, right! that's should be easy ;) |
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| 19:36.26 | Vixus | I have a deb I want to install, but it has a load of dependencies. How do I install them all at once? |
| 19:36.35 | itchi | optraz: That tool will be useful for later too, when you need some new hardware, you can then already look if there's an module or not for that hardware. But that will not say that it will then not supported if it's not in the list. But sure, if it is in |
| 19:37.07 | Vixus | Because the dependencies have dependencies and so on. |
| 19:37.14 | optraz | itchi, thanks for the tips! |
| 19:37.22 | itchi | Vixus: If you know which one, write an one line dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb ... |
| 19:37.52 | Vixus | itchi: The list is massive, and I don't know them all because as I said dependencies have dependencies. :) |
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| 19:38.12 | Vixus | I'm trying to run KToon on Gnome |
| 19:38.12 | itchi | optraz: If you want to manually add an module to boot at boot time. You should add it in the file /etc/modules Or look after you have add some modules with modconf |
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| 19:38.38 | optraz | mmm..i think i go with modconf ;) |
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| 19:39.06 | optraz | k done itchi , modconf is isntalled |
| 19:39.08 | itchi | optraz: Just try to remember where these module names are store too |
| 19:39.10 | optraz | now back to the acpi |
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| 19:39.24 | limpio | hi all, is there to create workspaces in ratpoison? |
| 19:39.38 | optraz | how can acpi help me ? |
| 19:39.40 | limpio | is there a way? sorry |
| 19:40.08 | itchi | optraz: Just select the acpi modules in modconf and go |
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| 19:40.15 | Coke | My udev settings in rules.d are completely ignored, I try to set my ethernet cards to eth0 and eth1 and my firewire to eth2, but the firewire becomes eth1 anyway. How can I make Debian understand that I want a particular hw as a particular device? I have set the names matching on SUBSYSTEM="net" and then SYSFS{address} to the mac address of the cards. |
| 19:40.33 | itchi | optraz: Maybe you want yacpi to show you some info of acpi, or you need to look on /proc/acpi/.. |
| 19:41.02 | Vixus | s'il te plait? |
| 19:41.27 | livingtm | is there a channel for udev support? |
| 19:42.18 | Coke | How do I tell Debian that hw X should be eth0 and hw Y should be eth1? So far the udev rules I've set are completely ignored. |
| 19:42.34 | itchi | Vixus: Je ne sais pas de quelle programme il s'agit |
| 19:42.43 | optraz | itchi, mmm..modconf show acpi is enabled |
| 19:43.08 | itchi | optraz: Look now in /proc/acpi/.. |
| 19:43.20 | valdyn | Coke: which debian release are you running? |
| 19:43.20 | optraz | yes, im in there |
| 19:43.47 | Coke | valdyn: etch |
| 19:43.50 | itchi | optraz: You should also get some info if the stuff is loaded in 'dmesg' and /var/log/messages |
| 19:43.52 | cydork | Coke: what happened to ifrename? |
| 19:43.54 | Vixus | itchi: Mais, comment pour installer le deb avec tous les dependences? |
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| 19:44.05 | Coke | cydork: it doesn't work, it wants /etc/iftab to exist |
| 19:44.09 | valdyn | Coke: adjust /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 19:44.23 | itchi | Vixus: Je ne sais pas |
| 19:44.24 | Coke | cydork: besides, it's nicer to fix this with udev, cleaner solution than doing things afterhand with some special ifrename utility |
| 19:44.30 | Coke | valdyn: I never had such a file. |
| 19:44.39 | Coke | valdyn: I edited my own. |
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| 19:44.50 | cydork | Coke: which kernel? |
| 19:45.06 | optraz | itchi, such as this??? localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:0c:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 |
| 19:45.12 | itchi | Vixus: Can you get all the depencies? |
| 19:45.23 | valdyn | Coke: its regenerated when you delete it |
| 19:45.30 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, and a bit more maybe, look with dmesg too |
| 19:45.35 | optraz | itchi, optraz: New stuff after 2000(i think) support acpi, some still not // URL please? |
| 19:45.50 | valdyn | Coke: working line: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", SYSFS{address}=="00:11:2f:0b:3b:18", NAME="net1" |
| 19:46.07 | itchi | optraz: http://www.acpi.info/ |
| 19:46.27 | valdyn | !info udev etch |
| 19:46.30 | Vixus | itchi: Yes, from the debian repository site. |
| 19:46.32 | itchi | optraz: ...first published in 1999... |
| 19:46.35 | optraz | mmm |
| 19:46.40 | Vixus | itchi: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/ktoon |
| 19:46.44 | optraz | i see i see |
| 19:46.46 | optraz | right |
| 19:46.59 | itchi | optraz: So the time it is then implemented on hardware ... 2000, 2002 |
| 19:47.17 | optraz | heheehh |
| 19:47.19 | optraz | nice |
| 19:47.22 | optraz | and linux dirver is 2003? |
| 19:47.26 | optraz | ;) |
| 19:47.32 | itchi | optraz: Ther are still some stuff that completely not work with it |
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| 19:47.55 | wimpies | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.00 | wimpies | Probably a compile problem but I have php5-dev installed (debian unstable) |
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| 19:48.26 | itchi | optraz: My other comp of 2003 are not completely acpi compatible |
| 19:48.28 | optraz | ok |
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| 19:48.40 | optraz | im now on scalling cpu @ your article |
| 19:48.58 | itchi | optraz: If it's an centrino, yes |
| 19:49.11 | optraz | itchi, centrino duo |
| 19:49.16 | itchi | optraz: ok |
| 19:49.22 | optraz | itchi, modprobe speedstep_centrino ?? |
| 19:49.43 | itchi | optraz: To load the required modules, othewise you can not scale |
| 19:50.01 | Vixus | itchi: Is there a quick way of implementing that list rather than typing it by hand? :D |
| 19:50.08 | itchi | optraz: You want maybe do it with modconf, so it's load it from boot time |
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| 19:50.30 | optraz | right |
| 19:51.23 | itchi | Vixus: There's always a way, i see somethings with dpkg, cat, awk, but these lines will be more fit like an scipt and many longer as typing it manuall the whole dependcies packages |
| 19:52.06 | itchi | optraz: That article is still in writting phase, i need to corect many typo's and so. Did an database sync an half our ago there |
| 19:52.45 | optraz | itchi, done! that's easy. thanks for yoru wonderfull assitant |
| 19:52.57 | optraz | itchi, lovely ;) |
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| 19:53.16 | itchi | optraz: Great that it help you, it's some stuff other people have learn me too |
| 19:54.16 | itchi | optraz: That GUICMS is on my own webserver Debian Sarge at home, made with vim, php and mysql and some python admin scripts |
| 19:54.36 | optraz | itchi, for all these, use modconf ya ?? modprobe speedstep_centrino modprobe cpufreq_ondemand modprobe cpufreq_userspace modprobe cpufreq_stats modprobe cpufreq_powersave |
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| 19:54.45 | linux2 | can anyone help me with my DNS |
| 19:54.48 | linux2 | for some reason |
| 19:54.58 | itchi | optraz: No, just modconf, and then in the list select each you need |
| 19:55.16 | linux2 | when i set my router to use the subnet 10.10.0.1 and i set my machine to static 10.10.0.145 it doesn't get the dns settings |
| 19:55.19 | optraz | ok |
| 19:55.35 | linux2 | if i then go and run dhclient (which changes my ip) then it gets the dns settings correctly |
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| 19:56.04 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way to include all zone files in a specific directory with bind9? For example: include /etc/dnshosts/*.conf |
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| 19:56.53 | itchi | optraz: You can play in an other way if you want echo foo bar >> /etc/modules |
| 19:57.16 | itchi | optraz: Maybe see /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:57.19 | optraz | itchi, just can find speedstep_centrino, the rest i cant find :( |
| 19:57.37 | itchi | optraz: Do uname -r |
| 19:58.00 | optraz | itchi, 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 19:58.11 | itchi | optraz: You should have it |
| 19:58.44 | itchi | optraz: Look in kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq |
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| 19:59.03 | optraz | itchi, modprobe speedstep_centrino <==this i can find, but not this ===> modprobe cpufreq_ondemand modprobe cpufreq_userspace modprobe cpufreq_stats modprobe cpufreq_powersave |
| 19:59.12 | optraz | okie |
| 19:59.27 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, these are in another list |
| 19:59.47 | optraz | itchi, yes, modprobe -l | grep cpufreq # foudn all of them |
| 19:59.57 | itchi | optraz: kernel/drivers/cpufreq |
| 20:00.32 | optraz | itchi, manually load them in /etc/modules? |
| 20:00.52 | optraz | itchi, all these echo into /etc/modules??? ===> modprobe cpufreq_ondemand modprobe cpufreq_userspace modprobe cpufreq_stats modprobe cpufreq_powersave |
| 20:00.53 | itchi | optraz: Nope, look in the modconf kernel/drivers/cpufreq |
| 20:01.01 | optraz | ok ok |
| 20:01.11 | itchi | optraz: Or use an editor and edit /etc/modules |
| 20:01.12 | optraz | got your meaning |
| 20:01.24 | optraz | woot |
| 20:01.26 | optraz | got it |
| 20:01.29 | optraz | in modconf :D |
| 20:01.35 | eduhat | what would be the apt-get command to install super karamba? |
| 20:01.50 | itchi | optraz: Or use echo too. Yeah there are 3 ways we have tell here ;-) |
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| 20:02.30 | itchi | heh |
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| 20:02.47 | optraz | itchi, :(( im flood? |
| 20:02.51 | Eulex | !enter |
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| 20:04.15 | itchi | optraz: You got an kick for flooding it's looks :-) |
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| 20:05.31 | Caelum | what could be a reason for ssh to a machine to work but for scp to hang |
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| 20:06.03 | itchi | Caelum: An lock on a file?? |
| 20:06.10 | roxy_ | Is there a way to search the debian-multimedia repository ? |
| 20:06.23 | Philluminati | can somebody please give me the URL for debian so I can use it in a "virtual machine manager"? And tell me where the kickstart file is aswell please? |
| 20:06.29 | optraz | itchi, i try to keep my words into 1 long lines then :D |
| 20:06.40 | Philluminati | the "media installation url" that is |
| 20:06.50 | diskus | www.debian.org? |
| 20:06.51 | Caelum | itchi: I don't have anything running on that file...I'll try to make a copy though |
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| 20:07.56 | Philluminati | I'm supposed to point my "new virtual machine wizard" at a path such as: http://server/path/pub/i386/os ??? and the kickstart file ends .cfg?? Anyone? |
| 20:08.08 | optraz | itchi, i have all the modules for cpufreq loaded. how can i lower it or it will lower itself automagically ? |
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| 20:08.35 | CharminTheMoose | question:how do i get rid of any uneccessary space on my harddisk? |
| 20:08.39 | Caelum | itchi: nope, that didn't do it. Trying the other way... |
| 20:08.41 | itchi | optraz: Look on the article?? |
| 20:08.46 | asg | CharminTheMoose: apt-get clean |
| 20:08.59 | Caelum | CharminTheMoose: fill it up with pr0n |
| 20:09.01 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: and delete the pron ;) |
| 20:09.02 | itchi | Caelum: I dunno about it, i have never got that |
| 20:09.06 | asg | CharminTheMoose: choose a more aggressive logrotation scheme |
| 20:09.22 | asg | CharminTheMoose: remove packages you added but don't use |
| 20:09.29 | asg | CharminTheMoose: clean up your ~/home |
| 20:09.57 | CharminTheMoose | asg,how can i find packages that i added but don't use? |
| 20:10.03 | asg | CharminTheMoose: dpkg -l |
| 20:10.15 | roxy_ | if foo is a debian repository, where the package bar for amd64 testing would be ? |
| 20:10.19 | optraz | itchi, okay, cpufreqd auto lower it after apt-get done installed :D |
| 20:10.33 | asg | roxy_: ask #debian-amd64 if nobody in here knows |
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| 20:11.19 | itchi | optraz: Yup, cpufreqd have an default config file that are already fine, you can fine tune it to gain the max of saving |
| 20:11.53 | optraz | right |
| 20:11.56 | itchi | optraz: You can easy add custom action, or add action when the laptop is in an certain state |
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| 20:11.58 | CharminTheMoose | asg,how does that help me? |
| 20:12.13 | itchi | optraz: For example, play some sound when it goes on bat |
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| 20:12.25 | asg | CharminTheMoose: presumably you installed things you don't use; look at the listing and infer. |
| 20:12.32 | Caelum | aha, on the box I'm trying to scp stuff from, my workstation does not resolve in DNS, would that cause scp to hang? |
| 20:12.44 | asg | Caelum: it could |
| 20:13.01 | optraz | mmm yea |
| 20:13.03 | Caelum | hangs trying to go the other way too |
| 20:13.11 | CharminTheMoose | asg,oh right |
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| 20:13.29 | itchi | optraz: I have screw down many the minfreq, maxfreq to save many |
| 20:14.08 | optraz | heheheheeh |
| 20:14.12 | itchi | optraz: You can do whatever you want as custom action, every app can be are executed. I need to look how it's goes in powsersaved |
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| 20:15.17 | itchi | optraz: Fine tune it to your need, in my case i want to save max of power when running on bat and runs on full power when on power cable |
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| 20:16.19 | optraz | itchi, agree |
| 20:16.28 | itchi | optraz: These new laptop, brided to max, runs still fast too |
| 20:16.34 | optraz | u need to fine tune to get your laptop go go go |
| 20:16.55 | fourat | when i plug a hard disk on the IDE interface, debian freezes, is there anyway to hot-plug it ? |
| 20:17.24 | optraz | itchi, k sounds work, ethernet work, screen reso work, cpufreq work!!! woot woot |
| 20:17.38 | itchi | fourat: Have ide hot swapping? |
| 20:17.45 | asg | one would assume not |
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| 20:18.15 | optraz | itchi, anything else i can fine tune ? :D hdd spin down and screen brightness? |
| 20:18.34 | itchi | optraz: Maybe ;-) |
| 20:18.38 | fourat | itchi, what's that ? |
| 20:18.51 | itchi | fourat: You can not do what you want to do |
| 20:19.29 | fourat | itchi, ok, just tell what's that and i'll google the rest |
| 20:19.29 | optraz | itchi, i have a bluetooth LED on my laptop, i dont know whether this laptop has bluetooth device in it |
| 20:19.33 | optraz | itchi, can i check? |
| 20:19.47 | zinx | optraz: lspci, it probably does if it has an LED for it |
| 20:19.57 | zinx | optraz: those are pretty much always built-in adapters |
| 20:20.20 | optraz | $ lspci | grep -i blue // show no result :( |
| 20:20.26 | itchi | fourat: Buy scisi hdd's |
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| 20:20.46 | zinx | optraz: maybe there's no listing for it yet |
| 20:20.47 | itchi | optraz: lspci, lsusb |
| 20:21.02 | zinx | optraz: or your database is out of date |
| 20:21.13 | optraz | itchi, lspci , lsusb show nothing suspcious to bluetooth |
| 20:21.32 | itchi | optraz: Sure you have that? |
| 20:21.43 | zinx | optraz: paste the full output from lspci to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:21.47 | itchi | optraz: Maybe check the website of the brand and look in the specs? |
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| 20:22.04 | zinx | optraz: also, sure it's not a wifi LED? |
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| 20:22.12 | optraz | itchi, there is a Bluetooth LED beside those wifi LED. so i presume this laptop has bluetooh? |
| 20:22.19 | optraz | itchi, or it may not ? |
| 20:22.39 | itchi | optraz: hehe, i duno haha |
| 20:22.44 | optraz | zinx, lspci or lspci -v ? |
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| 20:23.29 | zinx | optraz: lspci, you can use -v if you want |
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| 20:24.48 | optraz | zinx, itchi http://channels.debian.net/paste/4591 |
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| 20:25.49 | quintin | How do I see what res etc X is running at right now? |
| 20:25.50 | itchi | optraz: I have the same video card here. Later you need to tell me if your 3D is fast and good |
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| 20:26.22 | optraz | itchi, it is intel graphic card, not ATI/nvidia, so i would not expect much from intel for 3D |
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| 20:26.32 | optraz | itchi, or does intel has better in 3d ? |
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| 20:26.48 | itchi | optraz: On WinShit, it's amazing that card |
| 20:26.58 | Eulex | quintin, xdpyinfo|grep dimensions |
| 20:27.17 | itchi | optraz: Multicard reader working? |
| 20:27.42 | quintin | Eulex: thanks. know much about high-res x setups? |
| 20:27.55 | optraz | itchi, we move on to 3D card in a short hwile. i wil check my multicard reader now |
| 20:28.11 | Eulex | quintin, you mean like with multiple monitors or high resolution on one monitor? |
| 20:28.26 | itchi | optraz: For that card read, it's maybe just an matter to load automatically at boot time the module |
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| 20:29.09 | optraz | itchi, all the neccessary modules for card reader loaded |
| 20:29.23 | quintin | Eulex: the latter. 19" kds crt .. |
| 20:29.46 | Eulex | quintin, ah. well, it depends on the graphics card and the driver you use. |
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| 20:30.30 | quintin | Eulex: I've deleted all modes save 24 bit 1600x1200, but I"m only getting 1400x1050 or something .. |
| 20:30.33 | optraz | itchi, mmm..looks bad, it cant detect the card |
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| 20:30.37 | itchi | optraz: I dunno for that bluetooth |
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| 20:30.58 | optraz | itchi, sd card |
| 20:30.59 | quintin | Eulex: also, there is weird artifacts horizontal flickering green lines... sometimes randomly, but usually when starting an app, or moving / resizing windows... |
| 20:31.04 | optraz | itchi, not bluetooth |
| 20:31.05 | quintin | would this be my gfx card or my monitor? |
| 20:31.13 | itchi | optraz: Module sdhci, mmc_block ? |
| 20:31.19 | Eulex | quintin, ok. I'd check the X log (at /var/log/Xfree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log) for the reason |
| 20:31.26 | Eulex | that is, why you get a lower resolution |
| 20:31.54 | Eulex | quintin, that'd be either driver of graphics card |
| 20:31.54 | optraz | itchi, SD card |
| 20:32.13 | Eulex | quintin, what graphics card and what driver are you using? |
| 20:32.35 | itchi | optraz: You need the module sdhci |
| 20:32.39 | quintin | Eulex: both: i810 |
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| 20:32.54 | quintin | wtf is "silken mouse" ? :) |
| 20:33.24 | Eulex | quintin, ah. check the X log, it probably holds the answer to the resolution problem. |
| 20:33.36 | Eulex | quintin, if you can't find the reason, pastebin the log |
| 20:33.47 | optraz | itchi, yes, mmc_core and sdhci modules are installed in the system |
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| 20:34.30 | Eulex | quintin, I'd think that silken mouse makes the movements of the mouse a bit more smooth |
| 20:34.33 | itchi | optraz: Still not work when you plug it in? How see you that it not work?µ |
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| 20:34.58 | itchi | optraz: Look in /proc/partitions, dmesg |
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| 20:35.16 | optraz | itchi, when i plug in and check in dmesg, nothing |
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| 20:35.46 | optraz | itchi, sda all belong to the laptop hdd |
| 20:36.00 | optraz | itchi, nothing suspicous here. really it cant detect |
| 20:36.18 | marco__ | I'm downloading the floppy images for etch |
| 20:36.27 | marco__ | which one do I need to start the installation process? |
| 20:36.44 | quintin | /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old /var/log/Xorg.20.log /var/log/Xorg.21.log |
| 20:36.45 | itchi | optraz: hhhmm, here it work |
| 20:36.49 | quintin | ^^ which of those is the newest? |
| 20:37.05 | optraz | itchi, nvm, i will try in windows to verify |
| 20:37.12 | marco__ | I see boot.img , cd-drivers.img, net-drivers-1.img , net-drivers-2.img , and root.img |
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| 20:37.27 | optraz | itchi, let move on to 3d ? |
| 20:37.32 | optraz | intel 945GM ? |
| 20:37.34 | optraz | HHEHEHE |
| 20:37.35 | Eulex | quintin, the first one |
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| 20:37.55 | itchi | optraz: Here it's runs poor i find, compared to that WinShit |
| 20:38.31 | cusco | marco__: dunno but probably all of them, or maybe not the cd-drivers |
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| 20:38.42 | itchi | optraz: Maybe try, fgfs, nexiuz, vdrift, torcs |
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| 20:39.16 | optraz | itchi, u dont need any driver from intel ? for nv on my desktop, i iinstalled nvidia 3d driver from their site |
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| 20:39.22 | quintin | here is my X log : http://pastebin.ca/256947http://pastebin.ca/256947 |
| 20:39.26 | itchi | optraz: fgfs is not playable here on Debian, while it's amazing on WinShit with the same game |
| 20:40.00 | quintin | itchi: it's "Windows". |
| 20:40.17 | quintin | your child-like hatred of all things microsoft is in reality quite counterproductive |
| 20:40.34 | quintin | Eulex: ^^ |
| 20:40.44 | optraz | itchi, u dont need any driver from intel ? for nv on my desktop, i iinstalled nvidia 3d driver from their site |
| 20:41.04 | Eulex | quintin, ok, how does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf look? |
| 20:41.21 | Eulex | itchi, dri is activated? |
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| 20:42.13 | itchi | Eulex: Yeah, it is, bit poor i find in games |
| 20:42.15 | quintin | my xorg.conf : http://pastebin.ca/256948 |
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| 20:43.01 | marco__ | How do I write a floppy image to a floppy? |
| 20:43.01 | itchi | optraz: No, i use the i810 |
| 20:43.35 | itchi | quintin: Strange guy |
| 20:43.50 | asg | marco__: man dd |
| 20:44.04 | quintin | itchi: glxinfo | grep rendering will tell you if you have dri or not. strange ?? |
| 20:44.06 | marco__ | oh ya, thanks |
| 20:44.07 | itchi | quintin: Tell my why im been fucked when buying this laptop, 'with WinShit'? |
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| 20:44.23 | Eulex | quintin, you might need to use 915resolution |
| 20:44.23 | Ronin | itchi: eeoc most likely |
| 20:44.33 | Kalist00 | does anyone know if AMD ATI (Being politically correct) drivers support dual screen with DRI? |
| 20:44.35 | optraz | itchi, so am i :) |
| 20:44.40 | quintin | itchi: it's 'windows'... |
| 20:44.51 | itchi | quintin: BAD |
| 20:44.57 | Eulex | quintin, oh sorry, it shouldn't be needed on your chipset. |
| 20:44.58 | itchi | quintin: Microsoft Windows! |
| 20:45.21 | itchi | quintin: But MicroShit should more appropriated |
| 20:45.25 | quintin | itchi: it's 'windows', idiot. and I don't see how you are 'fucked'? |
| 20:45.44 | Eulex | there, there, calm down guys |
| 20:45.51 | itchi | quintin: 'windows'?? |
| 20:45.54 | quintin | itchi: If they didn't do a whole lot of things right, they would not be the behemoth that they are today. This is totally off-topic though. You can PM me if you want to continue |
| 20:46.03 | quintin | Eulex: 915resolution? |
| 20:46.06 | optraz | itchi, brb |
| 20:46.14 | itchi | heh, pm him heh |
| 20:47.14 | quintin | hmm curious. you say that you yourself bought it.. I guess it would totally be your fault anything that happens then, eh. maybe buy a stinkpad or something next time. |
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| 20:48.34 | pstickne | itchi, you're just paying some money for windows ... the actual OS that comes with the laptop is, for the most part, independent from the quality and linux-friendly components used (or not used) |
| 20:49.11 | MolePrince | Hello. When I try to manually compile the 2.6.8 kernel, it returns kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x276fb): In function `gzip_memory_needed': undefined reference to `MAX' make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1. Has anyone else encountered this? |
| 20:49.16 | quintin | I get my laptops off a truck on the north side of town. Keeps me from having this problem.. |
| 20:49.16 | itchi | pstickne: I need to get an refund, but have some trouble to get that money back, but that's another story :-) |
| 20:49.53 | itchi | pstickne: The 'XP' is still not activated hehe |
| 20:49.59 | pstickne | itchi, you can't get a refund on an OS if it's distributed with the hardware afaik. maybe if you were given an option of which OS choice and they gave you the wrong one. |
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| 20:50.26 | pstickne | itchi, spend the extra and get a professional copy. activation is horrid. |
| 20:50.30 | itchi | pstickne: Yeah, that's the problem i have, it are recovery cd's i got :/ |
| 20:50.51 | quintin | pstickne: both home and pro have activation. I don't see what's so horrid.. |
| 20:50.58 | marco__ | pstickne, actually, you can take it to court and win. The EULA that windows displays on the first boot says that if you don't want windows, you can return it for a refund |
| 20:51.09 | marco__ | people have won |
| 20:51.12 | quintin | itchi: I have heard rumours of some place where you send unopened XP disc with COA on it and you get like $50 or something.. might search google. |
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| 20:51.16 | marco__ | not that it's really worth it |
| 20:51.27 | itchi | But does matters, i run Debian :-p |
| 20:51.41 | itchi | does not, heh |
| 20:52.09 | marco__ | itchi, judging by your immaturity, I can deduce that you're not the most knowledgeable linux user around |
| 20:52.14 | marco__ | I'd suggest you keep windows laying around |
| 20:52.31 | marco__ | sometimes, when things go wrong in one OS, it's nice to have another one to fall back to |
| 20:53.00 | asg | marco__: what, like OpenBSD? |
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| 20:53.05 | itchi | marco__: And, what's the problem with it that i not know GNU/Linux good? I not car about Linux, i'm sure you know lesser about what you talk that my haha |
| 20:53.08 | jeebusro1ors | anyone know where to define the keyboard? im in FB |
| 20:53.40 | Ronin | itchi: you may want to slow down and try that again, it didn't make any sense |
| 20:54.05 | itchi | Ronin: Yeah, what he tell maybe?? Linux, pardon, GNU/Linux maybe |
| 20:54.25 | itchi | Crazy guys, are you drunken?? |
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| 20:55.00 | MolePrince | Has anyone had success compiling a 2.6.8 stable kernel that supports Suspend2 please? |
| 20:55.13 | marco__ | itchi, it appears like you're passing your text back and forth through a translator and then sending it. |
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| 20:55.56 | quintin | Anyone know where skype voicemails are saved on linux? |
| 20:55.56 | itchi | marco__: It's not the case, English is not my native language, sorry, still learning it |
| 20:56.15 | iveqy | hi, I'm having problems with fuse. I have installed fuse-utils but can't do modprobe fuse, what am I missing? |
| 20:56.18 | quintin | Eulex: any suggestions re my little green lines? |
| 20:56.23 | nonix4 | Hmm, anyone tell me which I should use for testing whether a hd works properly, {hdparm, bonnie, bonnie++, make-kpkg, others}? |
| 20:56.30 | quintin | iveqy: error message ..? |
| 20:56.42 | quintin | nonix4: smarttools |
| 20:56.42 | MolePrince | nonix4: Tried blockdev? |
| 20:56.42 | zinx | nonix4: smartctl first |
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| 20:56.46 | xingu | nonix4: most modern hdd's support SMART |
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| 20:56.50 | marco__ | I keep getting this error in dd: dd: writing to `/dev/fd0': Input/output error |
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| 20:57.01 | quintin | marco__: floppy is no good. throw it away and try another. |
| 20:57.09 | marco__ | ok |
| 20:57.11 | zinx | nonix4: if SMART reports an error, don't use anything. dd_rescue the drive |
| 20:57.14 | asg | marco__: the floppy could be broken or perhaps you have the read/write tab closed |
| 20:57.16 | zinx | nonix4: and replace it |
| 20:57.24 | iveqy | quintin: oh, sry that i forgott.FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
| 20:57.27 | Eulex | quintin, not really, sorry |
| 20:57.29 | pstickne | bonnie++ will show you if your performance is about where it should be; no DMA = sucks |
| 20:57.30 | quintin | zinx: dd_rescue ..? |
| 20:58.01 | nonix4 | zinx: SATA drivers are known for notoriously lacking smart ioctls |
| 20:58.21 | quintin | Eulex: anything special I have to do to get the i810 to use 'shared' memory from core? |
| 20:58.22 | zinx | quintin: some modified dd or something that defaults to conv=noerror,sync or something |
| 20:58.33 | rvsjoen | iveqy: does the fuse-utils package contain the module ? |
| 20:58.38 | quintin | Eulex: it seems to happen a bit less with wmaker than it does with other desktops.. hm |
| 20:58.48 | zinx | nonix4: eh? mine has 'em. |
| 20:58.50 | iveqy | rvsjoen: it is suposed to what I know. |
| 20:58.57 | zinx | nonix4: i think most in the current kernels have them |
| 20:59.14 | quintin | marco__: floppies suck. badly. why you using them again? put the disk in another machine, install minimum, then move it back.. I had to use like 14 floppies before I could find a good one last time |
| 20:59.15 | enouf | iveqy: does that have anything to do with ntfs? how did you install it? |
| 20:59.26 | rvsjoen | the package description says.. "This package contains the fusermount utility" |
| 20:59.32 | iveqy | enouf: apt-get install fuse-utils what was I used |
| 20:59.34 | Eulex | quintin, afaik the i810 uses shared memory if it doesn't have any vram, and the vram if it does |
| 20:59.48 | enouf | iveqy: should've pulled in any depends |
| 20:59.48 | rvsjoen | maybe get the fuse-source package and build it ? |
| 21:00.03 | quintin | Eulex: hm. well in setting up x it has that option for mb of ram to use for shared or what have you... and I Tried setting some stuff there but I'm not sure it is used |
| 21:00.04 | jeebusro1ors | anyone know where to define the keyboard? im in the framebuffer....cant login.. |
| 21:00.09 | iveqy | enouf: I did. |
| 21:00.20 | enouf | iveqy: are you ion a 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:00.20 | quintin | maybe I just buy a geforce2 agp? |
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| 21:01.28 | optraz | itchi, u still there? |
| 21:01.28 | Eulex | quintin, check the X logs. it will tell you if it set the amount of shared memory to use. |
| 21:01.28 | iveqy | enouf: no 2.6.8 |
| 21:01.29 | enouf | iveqy: is that the correct name of the module? |
| 21:01.29 | itchi | optraz: Maybe |
| 21:01.29 | iveqy | enouf: yes. |
| 21:01.29 | optraz | itchi, hehe. ok, the sd card in windows, i can check the content |
| 21:01.31 | quintin | Eulex: I get no result when I do quintin@helios:~$ grep hared /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:02.00 | itchi | optraz: When you put an card, get you some info with dmesg? |
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| 21:02.21 | optraz | no |
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| 21:02.26 | enouf | iveqy: ther are NO kernel modules here http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=fuse-utils&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 21:02.28 | optraz | i tried that 5 times |
| 21:02.29 | optraz | no result |
| 21:02.37 | Eulex | quintin, "(==) I810(0): Will alloc AGP framebuffer: 8192 kByte" |
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| 21:02.56 | enouf | iveqy: for ntfs install ntfsprogs |
| 21:03.25 | nanotube | what can be a reason that my wireless card can not see AP..? AP is 100% woriking with my other car on the network.. ?? |
| 21:03.26 | itchi | optraz: I need to take an card, hold on |
| 21:03.37 | optraz | module sdhci and mmc_core are loaded. what possible could that be, itchi ? |
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| 21:03.42 | optraz | itchi, thanks and appreciate it |
| 21:04.01 | quintin | Eulex: interesting.. |
| 21:04.11 | quintin | Eulex: so it is taking 8m from my core ? |
| 21:04.20 | Eulex | quintin, yes. |
| 21:04.44 | quintin | Eulex: I don't see where in my xorg.conf it is set to do that though. |
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| 21:05.00 | Eulex | quintin, man i810 |
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| 21:05.29 | quintin | Eulex: mmm k :) |
| 21:05.31 | Eulex | quintin, VideoRam entry in the Device section |
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| 21:06.07 | itchi | optraz: I get an line 'mmcblk0: mmc0:9ffc SD01G 992000KiB' and 'mmcblk0: p1' in dmesg when i plug an card in |
| 21:06.20 | MolePrince | Has anyone had success compiling a 2.6.8 stable kernel that supports Suspend2 please? When I try to compile with the patch it fails at the end with a message about gzip_memory_needed |
| 21:06.30 | optraz | itchi, i dont get any, im serious here |
| 21:06.49 | itchi | optraz: ok |
| 21:06.51 | Eulex | MolePrince, did you patch with a version of suspend2 that was made for 2.6.8? |
| 21:07.06 | itchi | optraz: Maybe is it not yet the right module for that card reader |
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| 21:07.10 | optraz | itchi, it is a 1GB Ridata card |
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| 21:07.16 | optraz | itchi, possible |
| 21:07.21 | MolePrince | Eulex: Yes, 2.1-rc2 for 2.6.8.1 |
| 21:07.22 | itchi | optraz: Here too |
| 21:07.57 | optraz | itchi, one thing for sure is that, this card reader is fine consider it is working fine in windows |
| 21:07.57 | MarcoPau | is it possible to unrar part of an archive in a directory, the rest in another one? |
| 21:08.00 | enouf | optraz: modprobe usb_storage |
| 21:08.02 | itchi | optraz: Yeah, probably it's just an matter of the right module |
| 21:08.07 | quintin | Eulex: I believe I have set that when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. but it didn't get in my conf or something? hm. would adding more magically make dri work? |
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| 21:08.51 | enouf | optraz: modprobe scsi_mod |
| 21:08.54 | Eulex | quintin, if you read your X log, it quite clearly says why you don't get dri. it's a bit towards the top. |
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| 21:09.33 | itchi | optraz: Have you these modules ^ already loaded? |
| 21:09.37 | optraz | enouf, still no luck after modprobe usb_storage |
| 21:10.00 | enouf | ok optraz . try the scsi_mod |
| 21:10.04 | itchi | optraz: You have been unplug the card before modprobe? |
| 21:10.22 | quintin | Eulex: like don't get .. ever ?? |
| 21:10.33 | optraz | scsi_mod and usb_storage loaded , but no luck too :(( |
| 21:10.37 | quintin | Eulex: I'm aware that at the moment there is no dri.. glxinfo shows that |
| 21:10.53 | optraz | itchi, yes |
| 21:10.56 | optraz | itchi, many times |
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| 21:11.27 | itchi | optraz: Maybe try to look with modconf, and compare with the hardware?? |
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| 21:11.43 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, which packages does contain the mkinitrd command ? |
| 21:11.52 | asg | Fahrenheit: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:12.07 | chantra_ | hi there, where should i report bugs concerning the testing installer? |
| 21:12.16 | optraz | itchi, compare with hardware? what do you mean ? |
| 21:12.22 | g333k_work | hi, how to comment an amount of lines in dhcpd.conf? |
| 21:12.28 | JamieCope | hello, i've set this line: export JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.08" in /etc/profile but after restart the variable is still empty, why is that? |
| 21:12.34 | Eulex | quintin, line 300: (**) I810(0): DRI is disabled because it runs only at 16-bit depth. |
| 21:12.35 | asg | optraz: #debian-boot will know. Also, check the bts |
| 21:12.50 | itchi | optraz: In modconf you get some infor for which hardware it goes, you can compare with lspci or lsusb |
| 21:13.10 | biopyte | hi. how can i copy from an X-app (tty7) and paste that into a raw tty (tty1 .. 6)? |
| 21:13.26 | quintin | Eulex: crappy! =( |
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| 21:13.36 | chantra_ | installer problem should be sent to debian-bug , shouldn't they? |
| 21:13.46 | quintin | Eulex: option blah boolean .. what means boolean .. "Yes" or "No" ..? |
| 21:14.06 | JamieCope | what to do to set a env. variable permanentyl? |
| 21:14.18 | asg | JamieCope: add it to your personal dotfiles |
| 21:14.20 | Eulex | quintin, on/off/true/false |
| 21:14.20 | quintin | JamieCope: put it in one of your bash start files |
| 21:14.27 | quintin | Eulex: =) |
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| 21:14.37 | Eulex | quintin, 1 and 0 probably also works |
| 21:14.42 | JamieCope | quintin, but i did put it in /etc/profile. isnt it good? |
| 21:15.41 | asg | JamieCope: that will affect all users on the system. read the INVOCATION section of your shell's manpage |
| 21:15.57 | quintin | Eulex: may I ask what kind of X setup you have? |
| 21:16.02 | iveqy | enouf: thanks, but why whould I install ntfs? ntfs is a MS file system? |
| 21:16.07 | optraz | asg, itchi, what about firewire, what modules it use? |
| 21:16.13 | JamieCope | asg this is what i want. but yet it affects no one |
| 21:16.26 | JamieCope | i do want to affect all users |
| 21:16.33 | itchi | optraz: I dunno, i have an entry here, but have no stuff to test it |
| 21:16.38 | enouf | iveqy: right .. I've just always heard fuse being talked about in xp/ntfs circles |
| 21:17.15 | asg | JamieCope: are you using 'export VAR'? |
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| 21:17.23 | enouf | iveqy: there are plenty of docs (I guess) that came with you pkg .. why do you think you need that certain modulename? |
| 21:17.28 | iveqy | enouf: okej, fuse i a file system in userspace. With means that i can mount a ftp, ssh connection or even my gmail account. |
| 21:17.37 | Eulex | quintin, single headed, 15.4" 1680x1050 laptop tft, radeon x300 card, dri (a little unstable and slow but works) with the open r300 driver |
| 21:17.41 | enouf | iveqy: seems fusermount is the key |
| 21:17.45 | JamieCope | asg yes: export JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.08" |
| 21:17.47 | optraz | itchi, i mean for firewire, what modules do i need to load in order for firewire to work ? |
| 21:17.52 | iveqy | enouf: good point I shall check the docs |
| 21:18.10 | enouf | iveqy: way to go :-) |
| 21:18.23 | quintin | Eulex: that is a lot of dots for such a tiny display.. is that widescreen? |
| 21:18.36 | asg | JamieCope: read the bit in INVOCATION about login vs. non-login shells |
| 21:19.07 | Eulex | quintin, yes it is. pictures and text look incredibly crisp on it because of the resolution. and I can have a lot on the screen at the same time. |
| 21:19.09 | enouf | optraz: depends .. but modprobe -l | grep fire may help |
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| 21:19.33 | optraz | enouf, ieee1394 |
| 21:19.54 | enouf | optraz: that's all that returns? |
| 21:20.06 | quintin | Eulex: hm... do widescreen setups "just work" on linux? I am relatively new to all this .. X crap :P. until recently only used linux and freebsd for servers and routers.. but am now using it on my main desktop |
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| 21:20.19 | iveqy | enouf: bad try.. :( it says that fuse already should be there with my kernel |
| 21:20.24 | optraz | enouf, no, i mean u need to grep ieee1394 |
| 21:20.39 | enouf | optraz: makes sense |
| 21:20.56 | quintin | Eulex: what desktop do you use? |
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| 21:21.14 | JamieCope | asg done. added the export thing also in /etc/bash.bashrc but still no result |
| 21:21.26 | Eulex | quintin, yes, I just select 1680x1050 as resolution and it just works (tm). I use Xfce. |
| 21:21.34 | asg | JamieCope: did your users logout and login again? |
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| 21:21.53 | JamieCope | hmm it works |
| 21:21.53 | debline | hello everybody , just a stupid question , when etch will be release as stable ? |
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| 21:22.04 | JamieCope | it seems that Gnome Terminal is not the same thing with Bash |
| 21:22.05 | asg | debline: soonishly |
| 21:22.08 | enouf | paw: so i'd sat atleast the ochi |
| 21:22.12 | zeroflag | how do I set up php in apache2? (I have apache2 and php5 installed from apt) |
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| 21:22.14 | Zap-W | i am a bit confused here , is all TCP data in a ssh session encrypted using a public and private key , or are keys used inplace of password authentication? |
| 21:22.19 | enouf | optraz: ^^^ |
| 21:22.29 | microbio | cade as gatinhas |
| 21:22.40 | debline | a date may be ? |
| 21:22.44 | asg | Zap-W: all data is encrypted. Passwords sent over the wire are encrypted also. |
| 21:22.46 | optraz | enouf, thanks |
| 21:23.03 | Zap-W | asg, they are encrypted using the keys? |
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| 21:23.13 | enouf | optraz: no prob ... maybe raw too .. dunno |
| 21:23.14 | quintin | Eulex: mm.. where does that in-window-manager list of resolutions come from? I tried xfce.. it is somewhat compelling.. pretty quick.. I'm annoyed by the inconsistencies though. right now I'm in wmaker.. used to use it a long time ago.. but mostly using gnome again now, I guess.. |
| 21:23.22 | JamieCope | they are X terminals. are they treated differently of non X ones? |
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| 21:23.46 | asg | Zap-W: if I remember correctly public and private keys are used to establish a trust so that a one-time symmetric key can be negotiated. The same trust is established with passwords if they are used instead of keys. |
| 21:23.48 | optraz | itchi, have u setup the 56k modem on your laptop |
| 21:23.49 | optraz | ? |
| 21:23.58 | enouf | optraz: eth for ethernet , dv for digital video , and video ...for video :-) |
| 21:24.04 | itchi | optraz: Nope, i not have an phone line |
| 21:24.08 | pstickne | quintin, poor you (using gnome) ... I guess if you stay away from metacity... |
| 21:24.26 | w0rd54 | asg: w00ps, just decrypted your encryption |
| 21:24.51 | microbio | oolá |
| 21:24.55 | Eulex | quintin, xrandr. I don't know what you mean by inconsistencies. Xfce has improved a lot recently, though. |
| 21:25.05 | quintin | pstickne: dunno how to stay away from metacity |
| 21:25.12 | quintin | Eulex: here is experiemtn for you. |
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| 21:25.24 | quintin | Eulex: right click desktop > create launcher. right click panel > create launcher. |
| 21:25.28 | microbio | qual servidor e do brasil |
| 21:25.32 | asg | !br |
| 21:25.32 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:25.34 | asg | microbio: ^^ |
| 21:25.35 | optraz | itchi, but have u try to setup the modem ? |
| 21:25.47 | pstickne | quintin, sawfish works well in gnome. metacity's lack of any sort of configuration made me think of Win9x. |
| 21:25.49 | itchi | optraz: No like i can not test it |
| 21:26.11 | quintin | pstickne: and metacity is .. what? some kind of .. window .. thing ?! |
| 21:26.23 | itchi | optraz: Wifi is more 'usual' these days i find |
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| 21:26.35 | pstickne | metacity is the default gnome wm these days. |
| 21:26.36 | quintin | pstickne: I have noticed that gnome now and gnome of 2 yrs ago.. the older one was more customizable. there are lots of thigns that you are just stuck with defaults now it seems |
| 21:26.41 | pstickne | wm = window manager |
| 21:27.01 | Eulex | quintin, well, I don't use desktop icons |
| 21:27.02 | quintin | ok, so gnome is not the wm, it is the .. ?? |
| 21:27.06 | pstickne | it draws the window borders, lets you move them, etc |
| 21:27.13 | Eulex | quintin, but sure, I could try |
| 21:27.28 | quintin | Eulex: just try... also, try to drag a launcher from desktop to panel.. |
| 21:27.34 | optraz | itchi, alright |
| 21:27.38 | pstickne | wm's are also usually responsible for hotkeys and the like |
| 21:27.58 | quintin | I'm a bit undecided.. I am thinking i iwll eventually use either gnome or xfce.. not sure. kde seems to mostly suck, but that could just be me. |
| 21:28.19 | itchi | optraz: There are many chances that i never go to use that modem :-) |
| 21:28.31 | pstickne | gnome is the name given to the entire "package", similar to how "windows" describes everything you get even though "explorer" provides the desktop and window control |
| 21:28.33 | quintin | if I didn't discover opera9 on linux I'd be back using windows.. firefox seems horribly broken on linux. |
| 21:28.41 | optraz | itchi, i know that. but for some reason, i need to use modem56k :( |
| 21:28.53 | MolePrince | quintin: In the past I've been very very happy with either fluxbox or enlightenment. They're not nearly as comprehensive as Gnome in terms of applets and such, but they get the job done brilliantly. |
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| 21:29.10 | stirna | http://193.27.192.165/error <- whats wrong? |
| 21:29.20 | itchi | optraz: To be honest, i dunno how that goes in linux |
| 21:29.22 | marco__ | quintin, I love Opera, but the linux version is kind of lackluster |
| 21:29.25 | pstickne | quintin, swiftfox 2.x (ff 2.x based) is the best ff-port I've used. |
| 21:29.37 | asg | stirna: did you run 'apt-get -f install' as suggested? |
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| 21:29.42 | stirna | yes |
| 21:29.51 | asg | stirna: that's not what you pasted though |
| 21:29.55 | stirna | same here |
| 21:30.03 | pstickne | quintin, it fixes many of the problems that ff 1.5x and performance has improved a good deal (but still behind the windows versions a tad) |
| 21:30.14 | optraz | itchi, that's fine. thanks ;) |
| 21:30.18 | asg | stirna: then you are mixing sources. Paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:30.35 | quintin | pstickne: tried it, it sux. the page rendering and scrolling is a bit better, but the load time is still disgusting |
| 21:30.40 | stirna | updte url ascii__ |
| 21:30.41 | stirna | asg |
| 21:30.45 | stirna | http://193.27.192.165/error |
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| 21:31.21 | asg | stirna: you are mixing testing and stable; no wonder it's broken |
| 21:31.24 | quintin | opera renders fast and loads fast though.. btw, is there some way to measure time from I click / type "opera" or "firefox" to time it actually loads? |
| 21:31.28 | Eulex | quintin, the dialogs have to be different, if that's what you mean, because launchers in the panel supports multiple launchers in one. for dragging launchers to the panel, sure, that won't work. you can drag launchers to the properties of a launcher, though. anyway, the current desktop icons are just temporary. they'll be replaced with a real solution in 4.6. |
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| 21:32.01 | stirna | asg: well, i want to install 'rrdtool_1.2.15-0.1_i386.deb' that is unstable. |
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| 21:32.08 | stirna | asg: how i fix this then? |
| 21:32.21 | stirna | want the rrdtool_1.2.15-0.1_i386.deb to be installed |
| 21:32.24 | quintin | Eulex: excuses!! should be the same.. also note the autocompletion with desktop launcher creation, and lack thereof with panel laucnher creation |
| 21:32.48 | quintin | Eulex: oh I forget.. are you using 24bit or 16bit ? |
| 21:32.56 | LightKnight | Dear Sirs, could you suggest a good console (and/or xterm) newsreader that doesn't go mad in an UTF-8 environment? :) |
| 21:32.58 | Zap-W | asg, yes but i read in apache about encrypting a message using a public and private key |
| 21:33.06 | Zap-W | what is the "message" |
| 21:33.34 | Eulex | quintin, prolly 32bit. but, yes, it's selected as 24 bit. |
| 21:33.34 | stirna | asg: any clue? |
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| 21:35.01 | quintin | Eulex: no fair!! :( |
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| 21:36.51 | Eulex | quintin, I can agree that those two dialogs would profit from merging. I'll file a bug for that. and well, my gfx card is a little newer than yours :P |
| 21:37.32 | quintin | Eulex: super! I hate registering to file bugs. and still not fair! :'( |
| 21:38.00 | quintin | I will try to con friend out of agp geforce2.. maybe then it will be better.. maybe I could even play some 3d games then.. hm. |
| 21:38.25 | quintin | this is on my main desktop machine. coppermine 1ghz piii, 512m ram |
| 21:39.12 | marco__ | swiftfox rocks |
| 21:39.13 | quintin | Are there any skype users here ? Where are skype voicemails stored ?? |
| 21:39.42 | optraz | itchi, how do i setup the keyboard shortcut ? |
| 21:39.43 | optraz | hehe |
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| 21:41.19 | itchi | optraz: Deppend, there are differets tools, i have used lineak |
| 21:42.11 | JordiGH | Short of writing my own script (and learning how to do this) is there a simple tool or method for replacing many instances of a string over several files with something else? |
| 21:42.18 | itchi | optraz: But here on the laptop, these 6 buttons i have not settup, like there are an logo to control the music cd. But i not want to use these shortcut keys |
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| 21:43.01 | optraz | itchi, hehe yes, |
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| 21:43.50 | itchi | JordiGH: s/old/new/ ?? With perl, sed, vim?? |
| 21:44.29 | optraz | itchi, thansk for your wonderfull help today. i need to rest now |
| 21:44.31 | optraz | too tired |
| 21:44.33 | optraz | cu |
| 21:44.40 | JordiGH | itchi: So it will involve scripting... |
| 21:44.51 | itchi | optraz: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 21:45.18 | JordiGH | Actually, scratch that. I need something more complex than this. I need to traverse a directory structure of html documentation in sourceforge and make it functional offline. |
| 21:45.18 | itchi | JordiGH: There should be an emacs way, but i not use that, use vim |
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| 21:46.12 | JordiGH | I think wget can do this, right? Follow all links, save the files it finds in the same directory structure as they exist online? |
| 21:46.26 | g333k_work | Hi, how can I know if the swap is on? |
| 21:46.37 | itchi | JordiGH: for i in find -name '*.html' --depth x ?? |
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| 21:46.50 | JordiGH | g333k_work: type mount ? (no args) |
| 21:47.04 | JordiGH | (the question mark is part of my sentence, not of the command.) |
| 21:47.21 | itchi | JordiGH: It's an combinations of the both |
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| 21:47.59 | JordiGH | itchi: That's for wget? |
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| 21:48.28 | itchi | JordiGH: heh, euhm, no, to parse there the html file like you have asked |
| 21:49.14 | g333k_work | JordiGH, what do I expect to see executing mount? |
| 21:49.34 | JordiGH | itchi: Basically, I'd like everything to be saved the way Firefox saves webpages, but following all links. I need a spider, hm... |
| 21:49.45 | itchi | JordiGH: Yeah, maybe with wget, i not know what you plans to do, you need to combine both command, little script |
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| 21:50.29 | Eulex | quintin, http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2607 |
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| 21:51.15 | JordiGH | g333k_work: Hm, I'm not sure. The output of mount on my machine seems a little different than what I used to think it would look like. At any rate, I think that "tmpfs" corresponds to the swap partition. Also, different idea, try "free -m" which will tell you if there is swap memory available and used or not. |
| 21:51.24 | quintin | Eulex: you're my hero! |
| 21:51.37 | nanotube | hello... I got fresh install of etch ... randomly my pc hangs and in "top" I see that proccess events/0 takes 99.8% of CPU I got no other option just turnOFF ond ON again...what can be wrong? |
| 21:51.50 | Eulex | quintin, yw :) |
| 21:52.26 | JordiGH | !info swish-e |
| 21:52.34 | dpkg | swish-e: (Simple Web Indexing System for Humans - Enhanced), section web, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 800 kB, Installed size: 2586 kB |
| 21:52.41 | JordiGH | Hmm... |
| 21:53.33 | Eulex | quintin, anyway, here's the reason you can't simply drag a launcher to the panel: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1399 |
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| 22:03.00 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 22:04.06 | JordiGH | !greet unseensoul |
| 22:04.06 | dpkg | Tag, unseensoul |
| 22:04.10 | JordiGH | You're it! |
| 22:05.04 | JordiGH | Aha! |
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| 22:05.09 | JordiGH | !info httrack |
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| 22:05.14 | dpkg | httrack: (Copy websites to your computer (Offline browser)), section web, is optional. Version: 3.40.4-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 22:05.19 | Zmanu | hello |
| 22:05.29 | JordiGH | That should be do the trick. Let's try it. |
| 22:05.38 | Zmanu | i want to create a liveCD from my system, is there some doc or url ? |
| 22:05.56 | peteweez | Does anyone here know anything about U3-"smart" [reality: very dumb!] flash drives? |
| 22:06.13 | JordiGH | !info debian-live |
| 22:06.18 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 22:06.34 | JordiGH | !info live-package |
| 22:06.39 | dpkg | live-package: (utility to build Debian Live systems), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.99.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1663 kB, Installed size: 2516 kB |
| 22:07.16 | unseensoul | JordiGH, :P |
| 22:07.22 | Zmanu | JordiGH: thanks |
| 22:07.50 | JordiGH | Zmanu: np |
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| 22:08.55 | enouf | Zmanu: perhaps also /msg dpkg custom cd |
| 22:09.28 | peteweez | Zmanu: Knoppix didn't do it for you? |
| 22:09.33 | enouf | JordiGH: I didn't know about that live-package pkg .. hrmm lessee |
| 22:09.43 | enouf | hehe |
| 22:10.28 | peteweez | I partitioned my U3 flash drive to have 256 MB Vfat, 256 MB free, and 512 MB twofish encrypted ext3 (via dm_crypt). Linux mounts both partitions fine. When I put it in a Winblows computer, it froze [how typical]. Any suggestions? Should I uninstall U3? |
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| 22:10.51 | Zmanu | peteweez: i need to create one for my project |
| 22:11.05 | peteweez | Zmanu: Oh cool...good luck then. |
| 22:11.11 | JordiGH | !main libgsl0 |
| 22:11.12 | Zmanu | peteweez: i only need ion3 and some part of my own code |
| 22:11.15 | JordiGH | !maint libgsl0 |
| 22:11.19 | dpkg | libgsl0: Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd@debian.org> |
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| 22:12.38 | JordiGH | And if I had my way, it would probably be Kantoxified as well. |
| 22:12.51 | JordiGH | Kanotixified. Say it three times fast. |
| 22:12.59 | mirak | hi |
| 22:13.08 | JordiGH | j0, mirak. |
| 22:13.15 | mirak | does anyone have a usb o serial device using pl2303 module ? |
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| 22:14.06 | peteweez | mirak: You mean the USB-to-serial adapter? |
| 22:14.38 | mirak | peteweez: yes |
| 22:14.59 | peteweez | mirak: I don't have one, but tell us your problem anyway. |
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| 22:16.01 | JordiGH | Aw, crap... httrack won't work for me, because I can't access the website I want to see. And I can't do ssh port forwarding magick for port 80. :-( |
| 22:16.20 | Supaplex | I have a handfull of usb <-> rs232 adapters |
| 22:16.40 | Supaplex | JordiGH: ssh -D either? |
| 22:16.41 | gyaresu | 1 |
| 22:16.58 | JordiGH | Supaplex: I'm not root in the machine I want to forward from... |
| 22:17.41 | Supaplex | bind to higher port and export http_proxy="http:127.0.0.1:41000" or something. |
| 22:17.50 | Supaplex | http:// that is |
| 22:18.43 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Hmm... lessee... I always get backwards the order of ports and what's being forwarded to what. |
| 22:20.15 | Supaplex | !tias |
| 22:20.16 | dpkg | tias is, like, try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 22:20.17 | Supaplex | :P |
| 22:20.34 | Supaplex | use HEAD to test or something. |
| 22:20.34 | peteweez | Hey what's the command to list all the block devices currently attached to my box? |
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| 22:21.06 | Supaplex | peteweez: cat /proc/partitions (provided drivers for it were loaded and its accessible) |
| 22:21.42 | peteweez | Supaplex: yep I have drivers...I just want to make sure I've truly ejected something. |
| 22:22.02 | Supaplex | that can be a different matter. |
| 22:22.25 | JordiGH | Wtf... Seems like I got the order right. But I got a sourceforge error page instead. |
| 22:22.45 | peteweez | Supaplex: OK device is no longer listed in /proc/partitions...thanks. Now does anyone know how to deal with U3? |
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| 22:24.16 | JordiGH | Quoth the server: 404. |
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| 22:27.08 | JordiGH | Could I convince any kind soul to use webhttrack to archive the contents of libnoise.sourceforge.net and send me or its maintainer a tarball of the results? |
| 22:27.19 | JordiGH | !main libnoise-dev |
| 22:27.23 | peteweez | JordiGH: I can do that |
| 22:27.24 | JordiGH | !maint libnoise-dev |
| 22:27.36 | dpkg | libnoise-dev: Federico Di Gregorio <fog@debian.org> |
| 22:27.42 | peteweez | JordiGH: just give me a shell command to run |
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| 22:28.27 | JordiGH | peteweez: Thanks... It's just that the documentation that is there is not offlined, but it attempts to copy what's in the webpage. apt-get webhttrack (it's not large). It has a simple interface. |
| 22:28.36 | mick_home | !maint joomla |
| 22:28.45 | peteweez | JordiGH: OK cool...I just needed to know what to apt-get |
| 22:28.57 | mick_home | fun.. :-P |
| 22:29.21 | peteweez | shall I install httrack as well? |
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| 22:29.54 | JordiGH | peteweez: Yes, please. It seems that webhttrack is just a convenient front-end. |
| 22:30.01 | peteweez | OK |
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| 22:32.01 | Zmanu | i'm looking for a source.list for sid is someone have a url or his source.list ? |
| 22:32.13 | peteweez | JordiGH: in progress. |
| 22:32.15 | reilithion | How can I make a script that will parse the current directory (recursively through subdirectories as well) and perform an operation (like dos2unix) on ONLY the text files? |
| 22:32.22 | JordiGH | peteweez: Thanks. It might take a while. :-) |
| 22:32.41 | Zmanu | because i have only deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free contrib and i have problem to get some package |
| 22:32.42 | peteweez | JordiGH: Yeah it appears so...I have about 1.5 mbits d/l speed |
| 22:33.02 | JordiGH | reilithion: Wanna get LF off, eh? |
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| 22:33.20 | reilithion | JordiGH: damn microsoft... |
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| 22:33.45 | JordiGH | reilithion: I belive that zip/unzip can do this. Look at the help. You can compress and decompress it with zip, and there's an option for sane carriage returns. |
| 22:33.59 | peteweez | JordiGH: .tar.bz2 OK? |
| 22:34.12 | JordiGH | peteweez: Of course. :-) |
| 22:34.21 | peteweez | would you like fries with that :-) |
| 22:34.46 | JordiGH | peteweez: Dunno. I'll prove ya a theorem or crunch some numbers in return. Alternatively, I can show you what I did with libnoise. :-) |
| 22:35.08 | peteweez | I'd be interested to know what you did with it. |
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| 22:35.26 | peteweez | And I would like to know the meaning of life, the universe, and everything. |
| 22:35.53 | JordiGH | One sec... |
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| 22:38.54 | craigevil | peteweez: everyone knows the answer is 42 |
| 22:39.23 | peteweez | craigevil: yeah |
| 22:39.42 | peteweez | craigevil: But it's still funny the 999th time. |
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| 22:40.01 | Supaplex | !42 |
| 22:40.01 | dpkg | [42] the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 22:41.03 | peteweez | JordiGH: give email please |
| 22:41.56 | JordiGH | peteweez: I was going to show you a cool movie of random blobs blobbing about. :-) But instead, you just get a random wind distribution: http://www.cimat.mx/~piccies/blowing-in-the-wind.png |
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| 22:42.16 | peteweez | OK... |
| 22:42.24 | JordiGH | The fact that the answer is blowing in the wind is simply an amusing coincidence in this context. I've had that filename for ages. |
| 22:42.34 | peteweez | JordiGH: I need somewhere to send the tarball to |
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| 22:43.04 | JordiGH | Oops: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/piccies/blowing-in-the-wind.png |
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| 22:43.47 | peteweez | What is the point of this wind graph? |
| 22:43.54 | Supaplex | it blows |
| 22:44.24 | peteweez | lol |
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| 22:46.21 | peteweez | JordiGH: what's your email address? the tarball's ready |
| 22:46.33 | JordiGH | I /msged it to you. But bring on the spam: jordigh@gmail.com |
| 22:47.03 | peteweez | JordiGH: Oh **** I can't believe I was so stupid! Xchat doesn't alert you when you get pmed |
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| 22:47.30 | MaMu | hi |
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| 22:48.09 | JordiGH | S'ok. |
| 22:48.20 | peteweez | This'll take a while to send |
| 22:48.24 | foxure | Hello. If i have a NFS file system mounted with rw on /mnt/hej, Will i delete that file system 2 if i do a rm R /* as root? |
| 22:48.25 | peteweez | Yeah, there's spamassassin |
| 22:48.38 | JordiGH | This one is slightly more colourful: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/piccies/noise.png |
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| 22:49.48 | JordiGH | The dude in the webpage uses stuff like this to make virtual worlds. They really do look like worlds, but he uses non-free software to do the actual rendering... and notepad.exe to "design" his code... |
| 22:49.59 | peteweez | oh that one's pretty |
| 22:50.17 | peteweez | OK it sent |
| 22:50.20 | JordiGH | peteweez: Think blue is water, green is grass, red are mountains. :-) |
| 22:50.21 | JordiGH | Sweet! |
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| 22:50.31 | peteweez | ok cool |
| 22:51.00 | JordiGH | !info octaviz |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | octaviz: (3D visualization system for Octave), section math, is optional. Version: 0.4.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 14032 kB, Installed size: 37468 kB |
| 22:51.29 | JordiGH | It's nifty. Uses OpenGL. These things look nicer in 3d. |
| 22:52.37 | JordiGH | Hm. It's not showing up. How big was the tarball? |
| 22:52.39 | peteweez | So does he make games with that |
| 22:52.43 | peteweez | 8mb |
| 22:52.45 | Xteven | is there anything in apt to do several snmp queries at once, without forking ? preferably in perl, but not libsnmp-multi-perl, because it crashes somehow |
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| 22:54.18 | JordiGH | peteweez: Presumably yes. The creator seems to be heavy on Windowsy things, so that might include Windowsy games. |
| 22:55.02 | peteweez | OK...obviously he's never tried Linux b4 ;-) |
| 22:56.41 | peteweez | Did you get the tarball yet> |
| 22:56.51 | JordiGH | No, ey has. Look at the instructions on how to build libnoise: http://libnoise.sourceforge.net/tutorials/tutorial1.html |
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| 22:57.06 | JordiGH | In particular, compare the size between using that M$ thing and gcc. :-) |
| 22:57.54 | peteweez | looks like gcc's a lot simpler [as usual] |
| 22:57.59 | JordiGH | Aha! Got it. |
| 22:58.06 | peteweez | not to mention cheaper |
| 22:58.29 | JordiGH | Yes. Fuckloads of steps with requisite explanatory images, versus a one-liner. :-) |
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| 22:58.44 | peteweez | uhhuh |
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| 22:59.07 | pstickne | If it was a MSVwhatever project file it would be just as easy... |
| 22:59.11 | pstickne | ...maybe |
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| 23:00.29 | JordiGH | Coolio. Downloading from gmail now. Thanks a lot for this, peteweez. peteweez -> karma++ |
| 23:00.46 | peteweez | JordiGH: happy to help...I owe the Linux community a LOT. |
| 23:01.21 | peteweez | pstickne: Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've programmed a lot more than I have (I haven't programmed that much). |
| 23:01.31 | JordiGH | Me too. I'm trying to get this to the libnoise maintainer as a helpful bug report with the libnoise documentation. The sample code included in the debian package also needs to be changed around so that #include statements point to standard Debian locations instead of what the upstream author gave. |
| 23:02.01 | peteweez | Debian seems to have rather nonstandard directories. |
| 23:02.07 | peteweez | especially in /usr |
| 23:02.41 | azeem | peteweez: it rather follows the FHS |
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| 23:04.06 | JordiGH | peteweez: It's described in the policy. |
| 23:04.06 | JordiGH | !info debian-policy |
| 23:04.06 | peteweez | azeem: I just see that it tends to use /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin and /usr/lib, etc and whatnot |
| 23:04.06 | dpkg | debian-policy: (Debian Policy Manual and related documents), section doc, is optional. Version: 3.7.2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1494 kB, Installed size: 2584 kB |
| 23:04.06 | unseensoul | how can i install additional ttf and bitmap fonts? |
| 23:04.06 | JordiGH | peteweez: /usr/local is for the sysadmin to install other stuff. Debian won't touch /usr/local. Part of policy. |
| 23:04.46 | peteweez | gotcha...making packages from scratch tends to put stuff in /usr/local |
| 23:04.57 | peteweez | like as in ./configure, make, make install |
| 23:05.00 | azeem | peteweez: that's where local stuff should get |
| 23:05.03 | JordiGH | I rather like that policy. It means I can install non-debian stuff in /usr/local knowing that removing them won't break apt or dpkg. |
| 23:05.03 | peteweez | without using dpkg |
| 23:05.14 | peteweez | JordiGH: good point |
| 23:07.19 | peteweez | I will ask again: does anyone know how to repartition a U3 flash drive without preventing windows from being able to use it? |
| 23:07.41 | JordiGH | Oh, right. That. Forgot that question. :-/ |
| 23:07.43 | Gnurdux | does windows allow partitioned flash drives? |
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| 23:08.02 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Specifically, a drive partitioned with ext2, I belive. |
| 23:08.07 | JordiGH | believe |
| 23:08.13 | Gnurdux | thats not partitioning, thats formatting |
| 23:08.16 | Gnurdux | totally different |
| 23:08.27 | Gnurdux | for formatting, you'd just format with fat32 |
| 23:08.33 | peteweez | I partitioned 1 partition of FAT16 and one of ext3 encrypted with dm_crypt |
| 23:08.48 | Gnurdux | and windows doesn't like that? i'm not surprised |
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| 23:08.59 | peteweez | Maybe winblows doesn't like partitioned flash drives |
| 23:09.05 | JordiGH | peteweez: ext3 for a usb pendrive? Won't that involve too many write operations? Wouldn't you prefer ext2? |
| 23:09.10 | Gnurdux | i bet windows only allows uni-partitioned flash drives |
| 23:09.14 | peteweez | it froze windows until I pulled it out [surprise surprise] |
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| 23:09.34 | peteweez | JordiGH: didn't think of that...but you're right |
| 23:09.41 | Gnurdux | hey; its windows |
| 23:09.46 | peteweez | Gnurdix: I bet you're right |
| 23:10.00 | Gnurdux | google time |
| 23:10.02 | JordiGH | peteweez: Btw, I've been wanting to encrypt my usb pendrive. Where did you read how to do it? |
| 23:10.08 | peteweez | Windows: If you don't like it, TS, we're the only OS in existence. |
| 23:10.41 | peteweez | JordiGH: I'll help you with that since you're helping with my pendrive...are you familiar with dm_crypt? |
| 23:11.06 | JordiGH | No. :-/ |
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| 23:11.14 | JordiGH | I tried using enc2fs... couldn't get it to work. |
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| 23:11.28 | JordiGH | I thought I wanted to use AES encryption... So that it would work with Knoppix. |
| 23:11.36 | peteweez | JordiGH: It's rather complicated, but it works great...have you ever used tor or some web proxy? |
| 23:11.44 | JordiGH | I haven't. :-/ |
| 23:11.56 | peteweez | Do you know the principle behind a proxy |
| 23:11.59 | Gnurdux | Does Imation's Disk Manager Software have to be installed on each PC I'm using? |
| 23:11.59 | Gnurdux | Loading the Disk Manager software is required if you wish to partition your Imation Swivel Flash Drive, or use a partitioned Flash Drive on the computer. Otherwise, it is possible to open files stored in the public partition of the drive on any computer. |
| 23:12.14 | nn | help! pango keeps crashing somthing whith pango.modules lookes everywhere |
| 23:12.15 | peteweez | Gnurdix: thanks |
| 23:12.24 | peteweez | it's sandisk, but same difference |
| 23:12.30 | JordiGH | A proxy is a server I ask to retrieve web pages for me? |
| 23:12.35 | enouf | JordiGH: see pendrivelinux.net maybe |
| 23:12.39 | peteweez | JordiGH: dm_crypt works sorta like a proxy |
| 23:12.50 | peteweez | It's a loopback device |
| 23:13.05 | Gnurdux | peteweez: right, but that means winblows has no native support for partitioned flash drives |
| 23:13.07 | peteweez | lemme find the tutorial url |
| 23:13.14 | peteweez | Gnurdux: you're right |
| 23:13.34 | nn | pango says installed but i cant use a major amount of my programs |
| 23:13.47 | reilithion | zip -r and then unzip -a seemed to work |
| 23:13.47 | enouf | JordiGH: ermm http://pendrivelinux.com/ |
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| 23:14.06 | peteweez | JordiGH: start here: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/07/2036205 |
| 23:14.09 | reilithion | Now to deal with the compile errors... |
| 23:14.13 | peteweez | I'll explain the tricky bit to you |
| 23:14.25 | nn | I cant get word prossing done because of this ! |
| 23:14.46 | nn | can some one help me |
| 23:14.46 | JordiGH | reilithion: Compile errors building a live cd? Which compile errors? |
| 23:14.48 | peteweez | JordiGH: so can you modprobe dm_crypt |
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| 23:15.09 | x_link | Back... |
| 23:15.35 | pstickne | peteweez, I guess more generally ... things are easier to compile in the environment they were designed more. |
| 23:15.37 | x_link | I just remembered one thing, when I used Windows XP ( not that long time ago) there was different kind of Windows Tweak programs. |
| 23:15.39 | peteweez | Gnurdux: thanks btw |
| 23:15.46 | peteweez | pstickne: yeah true |
| 23:15.53 | Gnurdux | np |
| 23:15.56 | x_link | Made your Windows run better, faster, smoother etc. Is there anything like that for Linux? |
| 23:16.05 | x_link | Or for KDE or whatever. |
| 23:16.06 | JordiGH | x_link: Gentoo? |
| 23:16.17 | JordiGH | !gentoo |
| 23:16.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 23:16.19 | x_link | JordiGH: You mean that I should which to Gentoo ? |
| 23:16.29 | pstickne | x_link, use the correct video drivers. |
| 23:16.42 | peteweez | JordiGH: Try modprobing dm_crypt. |
| 23:16.57 | x_link | pstickne: Okey. |
| 23:17.09 | JordiGH | x_link: Meaning to say, that Debian is already as fast as it's going to be if you set it up correctly. Gentoo supposedly runs "faster". |
| 23:17.11 | flixil | x_link: gentoo is the power to compile everything exactly for ur computer, so it (have to) run faster... |
| 23:17.26 | reilithion | You spend eighteen hours compiling an upgrade for Gentoo, and when it's finished, it runs 8% slower than before. |
| 23:17.30 | pstickne | x_link, most of those "tweaks" are a combination of things which may or may not work and cover the whole aspect of windows; most wm's and desktop environments are configurable; memory, etc isn't even done by X |
| 23:17.31 | peteweez | I'm switching to gentoo, cuz their packages come out sooner |
| 23:17.39 | x_link | flixil: okey. |
| 23:17.50 | peteweez | Debian gave me dep problems because I mixed sarge & etch. |
| 23:17.52 | flixil | really, the optimitzations doesn't make much sense for me... they take u lot of time to have a things a little faster |
| 23:17.53 | JordiGH | peteweez: Do let us know how that side is. |
| 23:18.01 | peteweez | JordiGH: will do. |
| 23:18.09 | peteweez | install is a b***h! |
| 23:18.19 | x_link | pstickne: I read that Slackware, Gentoo is the hardest distros out there. |
| 23:18.23 | h3sp4wn | gentoo ~x86 or ~* is a full time occupation |
| 23:18.33 | x_link | And I'm not the smartest guy out there, so I think I will pass on using Gentoo =) |
| 23:18.37 | reilithion | Even the people who make gentoo admit that the advantage isn't its speed. |
| 23:18.43 | pstickne | x_link, Slackware is easy. It just comes with a, default, very uhm, basic package manager. |
| 23:18.47 | pstickne | "package manager" |
| 23:18.48 | x_link | I actually read that Slackware, Gentoo and Debian are the hardest ones. |
| 23:18.49 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite debian |
| 23:18.50 | cydork | !gentoosmite x_link |
| 23:18.55 | peteweez | x_link: true, but it has some benefits I want...debian's better for the average user |
| 23:18.58 | JordiGH | !jinx cydork |
| 23:19.01 | flixil | x_link: i used gentoo for a year to return to the loved debian :) |
| 23:19.04 | cydork | :) |
| 23:19.10 | x_link | flixil: =) |
| 23:19.16 | x_link | I like Debian.. |
| 23:19.19 | enouf | decent read / practice http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/souptonuts/README_Virtual_FS.html |
| 23:19.26 | x_link | The problem with me is this guy. |
| 23:19.37 | enouf | !pbkac |
| 23:19.42 | pstickne | x_link? |
| 23:19.43 | peteweez | x_link: me too...I just really have to have the very latest software...and gentoo's ebuilds come out fast |
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| 23:19.45 | x_link | Let's say you put 3 computers infront of me with different distros but all has KDE 3.5 |
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| 23:19.52 | freezed1 | hello |
| 23:19.52 | peteweez | didn't mean to troll!!! |
| 23:20.27 | JordiGH | I don't see what's so hard about Debian, personally... but then again, Ubuntu has made somet things easier, but I like to feel a bit more in control, and I didn't get that feeling immediately with Ubuntu. |
| 23:20.27 | enouf | !pbcak |
| 23:20.27 | x_link | All I see is the desktop ( KDE ), so I would not understand the difference. |
| 23:20.27 | x_link | If you understand what I'm trying to say. |
| 23:20.27 | flixil | The good thing of gentoo is the flags that make u choose any component of any program any time and in any way |
| 23:20.27 | JordiGH | !gentoobie |
| 23:20.28 | peteweez | flixil: and you don't deal with KDE dependency hell |
| 23:20.28 | reilithion | !gentoosmite gentoo |
| 23:20.28 | x_link | I don't know what's happening in the kernel, or how those work differently etc. |
| 23:20.29 | cydork | enouf, it's pebcak |
| 23:20.31 | enouf | !test |
| 23:20.31 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:20.36 | reilithion | That's what I'm talkin' about |
| 23:20.44 | enouf | !pebcak |
| 23:20.44 | dpkg | well, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 23:20.47 | freezed1 | may i ask you a question about debian 3.1r3 netinst and network module ? |
| 23:20.52 | flixil | JordiGH: i don't like Ubuntu nothing at all |
| 23:20.52 | enouf | w00t! |
| 23:21.07 | peteweez | freezed1: ask away |
| 23:21.07 | h3sp4wn | I have only messed with gentoo uclibc and it was really broken at the time |
| 23:21.07 | flixil | i think it's a Debian with... just sugar xD |
| 23:21.25 | JordiGH | flixil: I don't personally like Ubuntu either, but it's doing some very good things for the free world, so I have to respect it. :-) |
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| 23:21.35 | reilithion | Ubuntu: An ancient African word that means "I can't configure Debian" |
| 23:21.43 | freezed1 | the debian installer do not recognize my nforce ethernet controller but the ieee1394 |
| 23:21.50 | peteweez | Ubuntu can get the hapless M$ winblows users that debian can't |
| 23:21.52 | flixil | I thought it was "for the world" or anything like that |
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| 23:22.12 | JordiGH | flixil: e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299516 |
| 23:22.14 | peteweez | freezed1: You don't really need internet until after your install anyway |
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| 23:23.00 | freezed1 | i need internet to download all the package (netinstall) |
| 23:23.09 | timthelion | hey, I have two networking devices. one, is eth0 wich connects to my router. the other is eth1 wich connects to a seccond computer. how can I make it so that seccond computer recieves internet access through eth0? |
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| 23:23.15 | JordiGH | Hell, raise money together and pay for a free nvidia driver? That's something I can get behind. |
| 23:23.20 | flixil | JordiGH: i see the point thanks |
| 23:23.46 | timthelion | JordiGH: why? the one we have now works, no? |
| 23:23.55 | cydork | timthelion, use ipmasq or shorewall |
| 23:23.57 | JordiGH | !blob |
| 23:23.58 | dpkg | it has been said that blob is A BLOB is a data type used in a relationaldatabase that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. |
| 23:24.09 | JordiGH | timthelion: blobs make baby Tux cry. |
| 23:24.40 | flixil | timthelion: i think it's about to have better 3d aceleration |
| 23:24.53 | flixil | timthelion: the free ones are worst in that |
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| 23:25.09 | freezed1 | i have read somewhere that i can add "alias eth0 forcedeth" maybe in modprobe.conf but nothing change |
| 23:25.59 | JordiGH | dpkg, blob is also a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 23:25.59 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 23:26.25 | JordiGH | !info blob |
| 23:26.28 | JordiGH | !blob |
| 23:26.28 | dpkg | i heard blob is a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properlyexpose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 23:26.40 | JordiGH | Er... I messed up the factoid syntax, it seems. |
| 23:27.37 | peteweez | You have to use the binary driver to use hardware acceleration tho |
| 23:27.46 | timthelion | cydork: how, those seem to be firewalls. |
| 23:28.03 | cydork | timthelion, right.. |
| 23:28.29 | timthelion | so, what does firewall have to do with my problem. |
| 23:28.52 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose securitythreats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 23:28.53 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 23:29.18 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 23:29.18 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 23:29.25 | timthelion | I just want Internet->modem->router->wirelesscomputer->nonwirelesscoputer |
| 23:29.32 | JordiGH | Sorry for fixing it like that... I should have /msged dpkg. Forgot. :-/ |
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| 23:29.50 | peteweez | Some people on this forum know way too much... |
| 23:30.10 | peteweez | Oh yeah JordiGH, can you modprobe dm_crypt? |
| 23:30.23 | JordiGH | peteweez: Er, yes. Forgive my attention span. I can. |
| 23:30.31 | cydork | !tell timthelion about ipmasq |
| 23:30.36 | peteweez | OK good...otherwise, you have to recompile your kernel |
| 23:30.47 | freezed1 | any idea ? |
| 23:30.59 | enouf | !blob |
| 23:30.59 | dpkg | well, blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 23:31.08 | peteweez | JordiGH: now apt-get install dmsetup cryptsetup hashalot |
| 23:31.32 | raphi_92 | bye |
| 23:31.45 | peteweez | JordiGH: I trust you're aware that this flash drive will NOT work on Winblows? |
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| 23:31.54 | cydork | hehe aptitude says firefox is a lightweight web browser based on Mozilla :P |
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| 23:32.08 | pstickne | cydork, it is. |
| 23:32.10 | peteweez | cydork: Why is that so funny? |
| 23:32.10 | JordiGH | peteweez: That's why I carry Knoppix around. The world's computers are my hardware bitches, and I carry all the software. :-) |
| 23:32.22 | JordiGH | lightweight? |
| 23:32.24 | cydork | petemc, lightweight?? |
| 23:32.35 | peteweez | point taken. |
| 23:32.39 | cydork | :) |
| 23:32.48 | JordiGH | It may be more lightweight if they fixed that blasted memory leak instead of adding spellcheckers. |
| 23:32.59 | anapivirtua_ | Nighty, see you later. |
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| 23:33.08 | peteweez | Lesson #1: NEVER argue with an IRC user with dork, geek, hax0r, etc in their name |
| 23:33.08 | enouf | XUL seems the suckage |
| 23:33.09 | pstickne | cydork, compare it to Mozilla. it's lightweight. |
| 23:33.19 | MikeDK | just installed basic-system without desktop on testing i386 how do i get further from here |
| 23:33.23 | JordiGH | peteweez: I don't compile kernels. I apt-get them. :-) |
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| 23:33.43 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 23:33.43 | peteweez | JordiGH: luckily your kernel has dm_crypt, so not a problem |
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| 23:33.51 | perlmonk | Actually, on windows, my father uses mozilla, I told him to check on ff.... He got back on mozilla saying ff takes much more ressources |
| 23:33.54 | JordiGH | !greet iLLf8d |
| 23:33.55 | dpkg | Hi there, iLLf8d |
| 23:34.07 | daveian | is there such thing as a "comprehensive" debian repositories list???? |
| 23:34.07 | MikeDK | have done an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:34.09 | iLLf8d | anyone in channel have a working tilt wheel under xorg? if so can you open xev and tell me if the tilt events get registered by that utility? |
| 23:34.20 | daveian | i can't seem to find any programs that i am looking for |
| 23:34.25 | perlmonk | my father is not computer guy... but not a luser either, he's pretty decent in computing |
| 23:34.37 | daveian | everything i've installed lately has been from binary and it's not working |
| 23:35.28 | JordiGH | !tell daveian about mirrors |
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| 23:36.49 | iLLf8d | daveian, well everything is descriptive enough for us to giveya help |
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| 23:38.37 | daveian | i have debian edgy and i've been searching for contrib repository entries which will give me a better list of avail software |
| 23:38.50 | cydork | debian edgy?? |
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| 23:39.24 | daveian | well i installed bcm43xx-fwcutter from binary, so perhaps i need to find it in a repository so it will install properly |
| 23:39.25 | JordiGH | !based on debian |
| 23:39.25 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 23:39.43 | JordiGH | daveian #ubuntu is that --> way |
| 23:40.00 | daveian | sorry i mean etch |
| 23:40.01 | azeem | JordiGH: the proper procedure is to check their libc6's version first |
| 23:40.06 | daveian | no no not ubuntu |
| 23:40.10 | azeem | after all, etch/edgy is easy to typo |
| 23:40.27 | daveian | yes, sorry, i ruined my creditability in here already lol |
| 23:40.51 | daveian | *rolling eyes* okay, i was previously a ubuntu user......*so there i admitted it* |
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| 23:41.22 | JordiGH | azeem: who has the newer libc6? They've updated theirs? |
| 23:41.36 | cydork | daveian, do you have contrib in your sources.list? |
| 23:41.42 | daveian | i am using Debian.... :( |
| 23:41.47 | _terr | My question is probably not appropraite for this channel so if not then I'll ask for advise what channel is approprite. I'm looking for a simple utility (a filter) that will read an acsii file (for now ascii - binary would be ok too) and look for a group of variables and do a replacement. This is what is done in scripting languages and shells. I want the output in another ascii file and I would like the variable assignment strings to |
| 23:41.47 | _terr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Has the newly-feed Sun Java entered the Etch repos yet? |
| 23:42.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | freed* |
| 23:42.45 | cydork | !tell Dark_Apostrophe -about java |
| 23:43.13 | azeem | JordiGH: if their libc6 version doesn't match with the one in the Debian version they claim to run, you can assume they're not running Debain |
| 23:43.20 | flixil | _terr: what not to use an scripting language like perl? |
| 23:43.21 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: no |
| 23:43.32 | azeem | it's not in Debian yet |
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| 23:45.25 | daveian | cydork: no i don't have a contrib in sources.list |
| 23:45.47 | cydork | daveian, then add it.. and run aptitude update.. |
| 23:45.56 | _terr | flixil: I could learn perl. WHat I want to do is really simple however. I know I can use some tools like sed |
| 23:45.58 | JordiGH | Another aptitude sighting! |
| 23:46.05 | cydork | daveian, or apt-get update whatever you use :P |
| 23:46.37 | flixil | _terr: i just know perl to use what sed, awk or grep do... sorry... i never learned those tools... i think i have to one day |
| 23:47.02 | daveian | i only have a deb cdrom entry, and 2 etch main entries, and 2 ethc/updates man |
| 23:47.17 | JordiGH | daveian: behind "main" add "contrib nonfree" |
| 23:47.18 | _terr | flixil: I want to create a file like var1=blah1;var2=balh2;var3=blah3 and jsut type> doit <input >output -assignmentfile=blah |
| 23:47.54 | daveian | ok cool, i'll try that |
| 23:47.57 | daveian | thanks |
| 23:48.14 | _terr | flixil: sed works - but has an obscure syntax - it was meant for more robust translations... I'm trying to set up a script for simple folks. |
| 23:48.17 | JordiGH | Or is it non-free? |
| 23:48.41 | cydork | JordiGH, non-free |
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| 23:48.59 | _terr | flixil: ah shit - they run winders too! I was solving my problem and thinking of theirs but didn't think it through. |
| 23:49.31 | daveian | it might need to be non-free |
| 23:49.41 | daveian | because i got 2 failed-to-fetch errors |
| 23:49.46 | cydork | daveian, yep |
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| 23:50.08 | _terr | flixil: I can write a filter to do this in about a day. But there has to be something on the shelf. its so obvious. Maybe M$ patened it. |
| 23:50.28 | daveian | oh holy cow :) waddya know :D |
| 23:50.32 | daveian | thanks guys |
| 23:50.39 | flixil | xD... Sorry i don't think it will take u a day, but i don't have time just now |
| 23:51.42 | _terr | flixil: proper solution is to build a web page on the fly but on the client side. I cna do it server side but I have to be the man in the middle... which I can easily do with some work. |
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| 23:53.33 | _terr | flixil: to solve this server side I need to set up an ssl connection to the client and an ssl connection to the target and act as a proxy. Not too hard actually... just a bit of work. |
| 23:54.03 | onetinsoldier | hi, is there anywhere on the net that keeps a list of repositories to add to apt's sources.list? i'm just curious as to what kind of stuff might be available. |
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| 23:54.42 | rob | onetinsoldier: http://www.apt-get.org/ (unofficial) |
| 23:54.46 | unlink | how do i get inotify support in my glibc? |
| 23:54.48 | _terr | flixil: too bad browsers don't allow cross site scripting. Its a bit of a pain getting around it. |
| 23:55.05 | onetinsoldier | rob: thank you! |
| 23:55.06 | azeem | unlink: the one in experimental might have it |
| 23:55.13 | rob | np :D |
| 23:55.15 | cydork | rob, that is not recommanded.. |
| 23:55.30 | rob | probably not, hence the word "unofficial" |
| 23:55.50 | unlink | experimental glibc... sounds risky ;) |
| 23:56.10 | unlink | strangely klibc and dietlibc seem to have it |
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| 23:57.59 | shadowarts | is there away i can check to see if the binaries on my sytem are the same as the ones installed by apt |
| 23:58.17 | shadowarts | like check their integrity against what should be installed |
| 23:58.22 | JordiGH | md5sum ? |
| 23:58.25 | JordiGH | !md5sum |
| 23:58.26 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 23:58.28 | azeem | shadowarts: debsums |
| 23:58.34 | JordiGH | !md5sum |
| 23:59.15 | unlink | will "apt-get -t unstable upgrade" avoid upgrading to packages in experimental? |
| 23:59.59 | JordiGH | yes |
