| 00:00.10 | JordiGH | fflush: Oh, read is fine. Are you particularly attached to NTFS? Could you reformat to an open format? |
| 00:00.28 | |splat| | grab the important stuff off of it and format it to FAT or e2fs |
| 00:01.55 | fflush | I was hoping write support would be ok |
| 00:01.59 | pstickne | apparently NTFS writing works ... or that's what people have hold me |
| 00:02.17 | JordiGH | pstickne: I've heard horror stories. *shrug* |
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| 00:02.23 | pstickne | but when I looked at it in the kernel it was very limmitted, but could have been missing something |
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| 00:02.58 | fflush | thanks |
| 00:03.08 | fflush | I will endup just sicking fat there |
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| 00:03.22 | JordiGH | fflush: Awww... no ext2? :-( |
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| 00:04.31 | fflush | I need to read this disk on windows + macosx too |
| 00:04.41 | fflush | mac is not that important |
| 00:04.50 | fflush | anyways thanks for the help |
| 00:04.55 | DARKGirl_ | i get the error when it is reading the package lists |
| 00:05.14 | DARKGirl_ | it gets to like 75% then it says MMap ran out of room |
| 00:05.34 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: Even when you gave it twice the size I quoted at you? |
| 00:05.50 | DARKGirl_ | just a momnt... |
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| 00:06.34 | DARKGirl_ | yup |
| 00:06.42 | DARKGirl_ | gets to 72% |
| 00:06.48 | madman215 | ok, i got ndiswrapper to work but i cant get it to connect to my router on the right channel, even after i do iwconfig channel 6 |
| 00:06.49 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 00:07.08 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: I don't know how to help, then. Sorry. |
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| 00:07.43 | pstickne | DARKGirl_, what does free report? |
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| 00:08.01 | madman215 | anyone have any advice? |
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| 00:08.19 | tester | i have a question |
| 00:08.31 | pstickne | we have zero or more good answers |
| 00:08.52 | tester | i tried to configure mrtg to work with squid |
| 00:08.54 | tester | but |
| 00:08.56 | DARKGirl_ | 1106180 |
| 00:09.08 | tester | Unknown SNMP var cacheHttpInKb |
| 00:09.09 | DARKGirl_ | free |
| 00:09.19 | pstickne | for mem? |
| 00:09.28 | DARKGirl_ | yes |
| 00:09.31 | tester | look up |
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| 00:09.37 | pstickne | wow. you have like 2GB or something that box? |
| 00:09.41 | DARKGirl_ | yes |
| 00:09.42 | tester | mrtg+squid |
| 00:09.45 | Jassossovinik | I want to add a dir to the $PATH for root. I have added it in /etc/profile but it doesn't appear to have updated itself when I echo $PATH, and nor do relevant commands execute. I'd appreciate pointers as to what I've done wrong, I updated /etc/profile and added the same path to all other users just fine, but the root part isn't working properly :-/ |
| 00:10.07 | robin_sz | Jassossovinik, hove you logged in and out again? |
| 00:10.08 | bws42 | tester have you installed the Squid MIB? |
| 00:10.12 | tester | pstickne, i see that mrtg does not load squid mibs |
| 00:10.13 | pstickne | DARKGirl_, when you run the apt stuff, monitor the memory used |
| 00:10.29 | DARKGirl_ | hey |
| 00:10.29 | robin_sz | Jassossovinik, profile only happens during the login process |
| 00:10.34 | bws42 | tester: I've always used the number values |
| 00:10.34 | Jassossovinik | robin_sz, yes I have :-/ |
| 00:10.35 | pstickne | I have no idea what mrtg or mibs are |
| 00:10.36 | tester | pstickne, or load it... but not working |
| 00:10.48 | DARKGirl_ | i tried to sudo chmod 777 /etc/apt.conf but that file doesnt exist |
| 00:10.55 | ofer0 | DARKGirl_, are you crazy? |
| 00:10.57 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: Is .bash_profile executing .bashrc? |
| 00:11.03 | bws42 | /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 00:11.06 | bws42 | but that's a bad idea |
| 00:11.28 | tester | who can help me with mrtg? |
| 00:11.28 | mick_home | !non-us |
| 00:11.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 00:11.31 | DARKGirl_ | crazy? i dont like the fact that i cant get into any of my files on linux |
| 00:11.39 | bws42 | tester, try using the number values |
| 00:11.48 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: And this is how I put the current directory in my path: |
| 00:11.52 | JordiGH | PATH=$PATH:./ |
| 00:12.00 | JordiGH | (Kids, don't try this at home, supposedly.) |
| 00:12.02 | Jassossovinik | JordiGH, there is no .bash_profile |
| 00:12.04 | ofer0 | DARKGirl_, so you probably won't like that fact that other people can do really bad stuff to your linux installation, will you? |
| 00:12.12 | robin_sz | Jassossovinik, I always tend to use .bash_profile for root, avoiding the etc/profile stuff for root at lease |
| 00:12.19 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: Is .bashrc being executed at all? Put an echo in there. |
| 00:12.20 | tester | bws42, but look at this: |
| 00:12.20 | tester | Received SNMP response with error code |
| 00:12.21 | tester | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.21 | tester | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.21 | tester | SNMPv1_Session (remote host: "localhost" [127.0.0.1].3401) |
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| 00:12.37 | DARKGirl_ | i dont care really |
| 00:12.42 | DARKGirl_ | ill just reinstall |
| 00:12.55 | diskus | non-US means it's software for US market only or that it can't be downloaded by US citizens? |
| 00:13.04 | mick_home | someone know where i can find the non-us repo for etch? |
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| 00:13.18 | DARKGirl_ | still get the error |
| 00:13.20 | mick_home | diskus: due to legal reasons they can't be in the US |
| 00:13.39 | diskus | mick_home: why it's says "that cannot be distributed from the USA? |
| 00:13.39 | mick_home | like some crypto, mp3, and dvd playing |
| 00:13.44 | Jassossovinik | JordiGH: echo "$PATH:/new/path" |
| 00:13.45 | Jassossovinik | ? |
| 00:13.48 | tester | someone, help me with MRTG |
| 00:13.51 | DARKGirl_ | /etc/apt/apt.conf : no suh file |
| 00:13.59 | liable | make it |
| 00:14.01 | bws42 | tester I use enterprises.3495.1.3.2.1.4 and enterprises.3495.1.3.2.1.5 to get the traffic |
| 00:14.15 | mick_home | diskus: yes - things like playing a DVD that you bought is considered illegal by by the MPAA |
| 00:14.18 | tester | bws42,sanks |
| 00:14.21 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: more like "hello world!" |
| 00:14.26 | tester | bws42,i will try it |
| 00:14.27 | mick_home | diskus: don't you love that stuff? ;) |
| 00:14.38 | mick_home | !dvd |
| 00:14.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check growisofs. |
| 00:14.40 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: touch /etc/apt.con |
| 00:14.41 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: touch /etc/apt.conf |
| 00:14.44 | diskus | mick_home: yes, but that explanation says clearly that non-us means software that can't be distributed outside of USA |
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| 00:15.21 | Jassossovinik | JordiGH, .bashrc isn't being read |
| 00:15.36 | bws42 | Jassossovinik make a .bash_profile then |
| 00:15.56 | bws42 | tester that definitely works on squid 2.6 |
| 00:16.13 | Jassossovinik | :-o |
| 00:16.18 | DerJamster | diskus: no, it's stuff that can't be distributed inside, AFAIK. 'non-US'. Cryptography stuff methinks. |
| 00:16.21 | Jassossovinik | bash_profile does exist - i completely missed it... |
| 00:16.26 | diskus | !non-us |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | hmm... non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 00:16.26 | bws42 | or rather .profile |
| 00:16.31 | diskus | read first sentence |
| 00:16.42 | DARKGirl_ | did that create a blank file? |
| 00:16.57 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: Make a .bash_profile. I don't know why it's not there, but if you want a sample one, I can give you mine... or you could just put one line there that says to execute .bashrc |
| 00:17.07 | Jassossovinik | bash_profile is there now |
| 00:17.12 | Jassossovinik | and it's executing .bashrc |
| 00:17.14 | bws42 | diskus it says that the software cannot be exported from the US |
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| 00:17.21 | Jassossovinik | and bashrc is being read |
| 00:17.27 | bws42 | usually due to export restrictions |
| 00:17.39 | tester | bws42, sorry but it`s not working |
| 00:17.42 | diskus | yeah, but I can access non-us, at least I could when I last time tried it |
| 00:17.47 | bws42 | tester what's it doing now? |
| 00:17.55 | diskus | and I always was thinking that non-us = for europe |
| 00:17.57 | madman215 | why does my iwconfig not set the channel |
| 00:18.02 | tester | bws42, may be problen in snmpd configuretion? |
| 00:18.07 | Jassossovinik | so, I can add to the path by adding: PATH="$PATH:/dir/to/add" ? |
| 00:18.24 | bws42 | Jassossovinik yes, but remember to export PATH |
| 00:18.24 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: I don't think you need quotes. |
| 00:18.58 | tester | bws42, error status: noSuchName |
| 00:19.30 | bws42 | tester what command are you using to get the value from squid? |
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| 00:19.46 | diskus | aah nevermind, when I opened link and read that README, it cleared everything about non-us :P |
| 00:20.11 | kud0s | if [[ ! -e /var/run/process.pid ]] : does this mean, if the file does not exist? |
| 00:20.16 | tester | bws42, Target[cacheHits]:.enterprises.3495.1.3.2.1.4:public@localhost:3401 |
| 00:20.37 | bws42 | tester, try just using snmpwalk first |
| 00:20.41 | tester | bws42, snmpwalk tell me that all ok |
| 00:20.43 | DARKGirl_ | im kinda ready to trash debian |
| 00:20.55 | bws42 | tester oh okay, then I'm not sure |
| 00:21.12 | tester | bws42, ok, one seccond |
| 00:21.56 | Jassossovinik | bws42, JordiGH : I tried adding the path in bashrc (export PATH=$PATH:/dir/to/add) (with and without quote marks) and it didn't work |
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| 00:22.16 | tester | bws42, look at that: SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.3495.1.3.2.1.4.0 = Counter32: 11149 |
| 00:22.21 | bws42 | Jassossovinik are you 100% sure the .bashrc is getting read? |
| 00:22.43 | Jassossovinik | bws42, yes, i added an "echo hello world" to .bashrc and it is echoing hello world on login |
| 00:22.51 | bws42 | Jassossovinik haha okay |
| 00:22.54 | Jassossovinik | wait |
| 00:22.57 | Jassossovinik | no i didnt... |
| 00:23.00 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: Did you put a carriage return at the end of the export statement? |
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| 00:23.20 | bws42 | tester I'm not really sure what the problem is then |
| 00:23.35 | bws42 | tester I switched from MRTG to cacti a long time ago, I don't really remember the syntax |
| 00:24.11 | Jassossovinik | er, ok, now i can't find the hello world statement i added :-( |
| 00:24.24 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: Uh. Are you saving your changes? |
| 00:24.25 | bws42 | but it's echoing hello world? |
| 00:24.31 | bws42 | cause that'd be awesome |
| 00:24.38 | tester | bws42, ok, you think problem is not in mrtg? |
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| 00:24.50 | JordiGH | bws42: It'd be, like, god talking to us through the computer. :-) |
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| 00:25.02 | bws42 | tester, I'm not sure, but I think the config might be slightly wrong |
| 00:25.06 | JordiGH | !god |
| 00:25.06 | dpkg | [god] The omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Supreme Entity of the Universe. Or dead. |
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| 00:25.15 | bws42 | JordiGH: true |
| 00:25.35 | tester | bws42, ok... i try to find bug in mrtg.cfg |
| 00:25.41 | Jassossovinik | JordiGH, yeah, something weird is going on at the moment |
| 00:26.05 | JordiGH | Jassossovinik: I'm guessing that problem is between the chair and the keyboard. ;-) |
| 00:26.23 | Jassossovinik | JordiGH, same here ;-) :-p |
| 00:26.44 | JordiGH | Meatspace needs a debugger. |
| 00:27.26 | bws42 | where's that dude that usually prowls around this channel? ab something |
| 00:27.42 | onetinsoldier | abrotman? |
| 00:27.42 | JordiGH | !seen abrotman |
| 00:27.43 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 4h 1m 12s ago, saying: '!printer'. |
| 00:27.49 | bws42 | yeah there ya go |
| 00:27.55 | bws42 | couldn't remember his name |
| 00:28.22 | bws42 | too bad, seems like the printer won |
| 00:28.28 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 00:29.38 | Jassossovinik | ok - seriously - oddness is happening... AND I'VE JUST REALISED WHY - ARARARARARGH. I was editing my users bashrc not roots :-( |
| 00:29.51 | bws42 | lol |
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| 00:30.03 | DARKGirl_ | i took out a whole lot of package lists and it worked |
| 00:30.05 | DARKGirl_ | imagine that |
| 00:30.07 | bws42 | yeah sudo vi ~/.bashrc doesn't do what you think it does |
| 00:30.13 | DARKGirl_ | i dont need that extra crap anyway |
| 00:30.24 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: i always make backups of those files before i edit them.. |
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| 00:32.13 | DARKGirl_ | how do i install module assistant?? |
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| 00:32.47 | DARKGirl_ | where do i get it? |
| 00:32.51 | bws42 | apt? |
| 00:32.59 | DARKGirl_ | its broken |
| 00:33.05 | DARKGirl_ | i want alternative |
| 00:33.09 | gravity | How did you break apt? |
| 00:33.10 | onetinsoldier | DARKGirl_: your apt is broken? |
| 00:33.16 | DARKGirl_ | very broken |
| 00:33.19 | gravity | How? |
| 00:33.20 | onetinsoldier | uh-oh |
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| 00:33.40 | DARKGirl_ | are there any alternatives? |
| 00:33.45 | onetinsoldier | apt is life |
| 00:33.53 | gravity | Straight dpkg |
| 00:33.53 | vook | I just downloaded a five part dvd iso image that needs to be joined (no extension(solaris 10 (just for fun))) anyway, any recommendations on how I should join this (i.e. cat file file1 file2 > allfiles, the join command, etc) I recall being advised against one or both of those methods in the past. |
| 00:33.53 | gravity | If you're insane |
| 00:34.06 | gravity | DARKGirl_: apt shouldn't be broken. What did you do to break it? |
| 00:34.15 | gravity | At this point it's a very stable piece of software |
| 00:34.37 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. dpkg. you'll need to download a package manually and then use dpkg on the downloaded .deb file |
| 00:34.56 | Jassossovinik | <onetinsoldier> Jassossovinik: i always make backups of those files before i edit them.. <== I should have done;-) I had a momentary panic when I edited my path wrongly and couldn't use nano to fix it as /uisr |
| 00:35.00 | DARKGirl_ | Coultnt stat source package list cdrom://debian..blah..blah...blah (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:35.12 | gravity | That's not broken. That's misconfigured. |
| 00:35.24 | Jassossovinik | GAH..."as /usr/bin wasn't in my path, but I remembered I could just use a temporary "export"" |
| 00:35.24 | gravity | DARKGirl_: Do you have the cdrom inserted and mounted? If not, do you want it there at all? |
| 00:36.00 | DARKGirl_ | yes i do |
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| 00:36.31 | DARKGirl_ | i have 2 cdroms though |
| 00:36.41 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: hehe.. you get it working now? i really make a backup of any file before i fiddle with it. if my edit works, then i wash away the backup |
| 00:36.56 | gravity | DARKGirl_: So it wants the other one |
| 00:37.02 | DARKGirl_ | already tried it |
| 00:37.03 | tester | bws42, sorry,one question |
| 00:37.05 | Jassossovinik | onetinsoldier, yeah, all working now :-) |
| 00:37.14 | DARKGirl_ | there is no drive called cdrom |
| 00:37.20 | DARKGirl_ | its cdrom0, cdrom1 |
| 00:37.23 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: ahh, good. you end up using vi? |
| 00:37.41 | gravity | DARKGirl_: Can you post your sources.list in a paster? |
| 00:37.43 | tester | bws42, are you know any about pathes to mrtg? |
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| 00:37.50 | DARKGirl_ | sure |
| 00:37.51 | bws42 | tester nope sorry |
| 00:37.52 | DARKGirl_ | moment |
| 00:37.57 | Jassossovinik | onetinsoldier, nah, i removed *everything* from my path, so i had to "export path=/usr/bin" and then i could use nano just normally |
| 00:38.19 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: i see... whatever works :) |
| 00:39.13 | DARKGirl_ | http:..rafb.net/paste/results/5HeQ2D67.html |
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| 00:39.21 | DARKGirl_ | whoops |
| 00:39.32 | bws42 | lol |
| 00:39.43 | DARKGirl_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.07 | DARKGirl_ | mind you, i took out a LOT of stuff because it was causing errors |
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| 00:40.23 | tester | bws42, know any? becouse i find some info about my problem, i think mrtg need to be patched to fix this problem |
| 00:40.29 | DARKGirl_ | i just left in the stuff i wanted, namely the nvidia stuff |
| 00:40.41 | tester | bws42,but may be i`m wrong |
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| 00:41.31 | Stardust | am i retarded or what??? i write kill -9 26604 and the process creates himself with another number..... |
| 00:41.51 | Stardust | ps -e | grep sql |
| 00:41.54 | bws42 | Stardust you need to kill the parent? |
| 00:41.58 | Stardust | still shows it |
| 00:42.36 | DARKGirl_ | ? |
| 00:42.41 | DARKGirl_ | did you get it? |
| 00:42.57 | gravity | DARKGirl_: Yeah. I'm thinking you should probably delete those cdrom entries, then use apt-cdrom to re-add them |
| 00:43.19 | gravity | DARKGirl_: I don't have a ton of experience with using cd's as sources. Me and most people just use the online repos |
| 00:43.42 | Malagmyr | Can I somehow get SSH to forward users to another server when they type a specific username? Like, most users logging in on that box, but user foo really works on another box in the network, so when he logs into the first one, he's proxyed to the second one? Hope that comes out right. |
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| 00:44.51 | bws42 | why not tell foo to ssh to the other machine? |
| 00:45.00 | rvsjoen | proxyed as in "routed through" the first server or that he gets a direct connection to the 2nd machine ? |
| 00:45.21 | Malagmyr | any would do, but I was thinking of routing through the first one |
| 00:45.51 | rvsjoen | set up a key pair and run another ssh session from the users login script ? |
| 00:46.03 | Malagmyr | ah |
| 00:46.06 | Malagmyr | brilliant idea |
| 00:46.13 | bws42 | he'd notice on exit though... wouldn't he? |
| 00:46.22 | rvsjoen | yes, double exit |
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| 00:46.33 | Malagmyr | not if his script connects to the other machine, then waits and exits once he disconnects from it |
| 00:46.51 | bws42 | I always did that with my school machines since they defaulted to csh for some reason |
| 00:47.24 | Malagmyr | excellent. |
| 00:47.25 | rvsjoen | good luck :) |
| 00:47.42 | DARKGirl_ | in the mean time please tell me again what the command to uninstall the athlete's foot and install lovely KDE? |
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| 00:48.16 | Malagmyr | i just have to do this... |
| 00:48.20 | gravity | aptitude install kde will work for adding it. Getting rid of gnome might take a little more hand massaging because it's so interlinked |
| 00:48.20 | DARKGirl_ | !install kde |
| 00:48.21 | dpkg | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 00:48.21 | Malagmyr | !nickometer DARKGirl_ |
| 00:48.22 | dpkg | 'DARKGirl_' is 99.380% lame, malagmyr |
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| 00:48.53 | DARKGirl_ | how do i uninstall the foot first? |
| 00:49.04 | DARKGirl_ | oh |
| 00:49.05 | DARKGirl_ | lol |
| 00:49.06 | DARKGirl_ | ok |
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| 00:51.32 | dhuv | hello all, I am running sarge with the dotdeb repository for mysql 5, I am upgrading on a dev server and its asking me if I want to use the new password storage method |
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| 00:52.03 | Malagmyr | dhuv: your question being if you should? |
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| 00:52.29 | Malagmyr | dhuv: if so, the answer would be that unless you're doing something strange, either will be fine |
| 00:52.45 | dhuv | Malagmyr: my question is, what is that? |
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| 00:54.02 | DARKGirl_ | what the hell? |
| 00:54.04 | madman215 | how do i mount my cdrom? |
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| 00:54.06 | DARKGirl_ | this is making me upset |
| 00:54.15 | DARKGirl_ | i keep getting 'no such file or directory' |
| 00:54.24 | DARKGirl_ | i think im just going to install knoppix |
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| 00:54.43 | DARKGirl_ | this is fucking irritating |
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| 00:54.50 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 00:55.02 | DARKGirl_ | it wont install kde |
| 00:55.05 | h3sp4wn | DARKGirl_: Try kanotix |
| 00:55.25 | DARKGirl_ | yah ill dl that again since my kbd is working |
| 00:55.48 | solemnwarning | For some reason my machine claims my / fs is mounted read-only, even though it's set to rw in /etc/fstab and mount shows the rw option |
| 00:55.58 | madman215 | where is the mount point for the cdrom? |
| 00:56.01 | solemnwarning | I need to mount -o remount,rw / to be able to write to it |
| 00:56.05 | solemnwarning | What could cause this? |
| 00:56.26 | dhuv | Malagmyr: it says that the new method has a draw back, clients (eg, PHP) cannot connect |
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| 00:56.39 | dhuv | thats why I am really curious to what this is |
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| 00:57.29 | jmmp | anybody know why my flash plugin dont reproduce any sound? |
| 00:57.49 | jmmp | for exaple with youtube videos |
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| 00:58.04 | jmmp | in Debian Firefox |
| 00:58.41 | dhuv | jmmp: are you using alsa |
| 00:58.47 | jmmp | yeah |
| 00:59.28 | jmmp | yes i configured alsa for sound card ac97 analog devices |
| 00:59.56 | jmmp | with the intel module |
| 01:00.16 | Jassossovinik | How do I create a group with read and write access to a specific directory and then add users to it? |
| 01:00.25 | dhuv | jmmp: if the sound works and you get no sound in flash, its something else, I fixed it on my computer, let me find it |
| 01:00.35 | jmmp | ok |
| 01:00.40 | jmmp | ill wait |
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| 01:01.58 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: i'm pretty rusty with linux really... but i can try and point you at some man pages if you want |
| 01:02.05 | dhuv | jmmp: this might help http://www.macewan.org/2006/06/01/howto-firefox-flash-video-sound-on-ubuntu-linux-dapper/ |
| 01:02.55 | jmmp | i think linux needs easier sound configure options |
| 01:02.55 | dhuv | jmmp: usually its OK, but you are right too many people still have problems |
| 01:02.55 | Jassossovinik | onetinsoldier, i was hoping to not have to read the man pages, as i hate having to remember the syntax:-( |
| 01:03.02 | Jassossovinik | er, that made no sense |
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| 01:03.04 | Jassossovinik | ignore it |
| 01:03.11 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: i understand.... |
| 01:03.12 | hyphenex | hi gang |
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| 01:03.25 | hyphenex | I'm talking from ircII... terminal IRC... cool |
| 01:03.43 | freeone3000 | What command would allow me to download and install a downgraded version of a package, namely firefox? |
| 01:04.24 | hyphenex | Why would you want to? |
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| 01:04.39 | SpComb | I have a problem in some cron script that runs every 20 minutes, I get an email with this every time: /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 826: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.53 | jmmp | so dhuv, you find it? |
| 01:04.57 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: you'll want to create a group.. with 'addgroup'. make the directory and i think use chmod to make the group the owners of it, and then i beleive it may be desiable to set the sticky bit on it, again with chmod |
| 01:05.07 | SpComb | I've tried looking for said file on packages.debian.org and it just doesn't exist |
| 01:05.24 | freeone3000 | hyphenex: SWT. |
| 01:05.25 | DerJamster | SpComb: apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp |
| 01:05.38 | Jassossovinik | onetinsoldier, the dir already exists, i just want to give certain users read and write access to it |
| 01:05.38 | freeone3000 | hyphenex: Doesn't play well with firefox 2.0 |
| 01:05.46 | freeone3000 | (And why the smeg is it called iceweasel?) |
| 01:05.58 | hyphenex | ahhh, well, sorry. Don't know |
| 01:06.13 | jmmp | dhuv? |
| 01:06.19 | jmmp | you there? |
| 01:06.28 | SpComb | DerJamster: blank, I guess it doesn't find it |
| 01:06.38 | dhuv | jmmp: yes |
| 01:06.54 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: well ,as i said i'm rusty! but i think make the group owners of the dir, with 'chgrp'? |
| 01:06.57 | jmmp | so did you find it? |
| 01:07.02 | DerJamster | SpComb: yep |
| 01:07.12 | liable | freeone3000: you might have the old version in your cache /var/cache/apt/ |
| 01:07.19 | SpComb | /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail is some ginormous debian bash script that gets called from cron and referrs to some kind of MSP thing |
| 01:07.27 | hyphenex | What's the best way to install an X server from apt-get, and it's in a virtual machine, so will I be able to tunnel X windows over SSH to my windows computer? |
| 01:07.27 | SpComb | googling sendmail msp doesn't find anything either |
| 01:07.59 | dhuv | I sent it |
| 01:08.01 | freeone3000 | liable: Unfortunatly, I don't. |
| 01:08.10 | dhuv | just before I said it should be easier to configure |
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| 01:08.14 | dhuv | jmmp: this might help http://www.macewan.org/2006/06/01/howto-firefox-flash-video-sound-on-ubuntu-linux-dapper/ |
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| 01:09.13 | pstickne | Jassossovinik, see chown and addgroup/groupadd and /etc/groups |
| 01:09.36 | liable | freeone3000: get the deb from s.d.o and install it with dpkg then |
| 01:09.49 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, thanks... |
| 01:09.59 | SpComb | so what should I do to get rid of this cron spam? Said file seemingly doesn't exist... |
| 01:10.01 | Jassossovinik | yeah, i've created the group, added the users to the group, i'm just unsure why chown should be used. i don't want to change ownership of the folder, just allow users of a group to write to it :-/ |
| 01:10.20 | jmmp | thanks for the link |
| 01:10.25 | jmmp | dhuv |
| 01:10.29 | jmmp | ill try it |
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| 01:10.46 | liable | Jassossovinik: does the group have write access? if not then you need to chmod it |
| 01:11.08 | Jassossovinik | atm the group does nothing, i've only just created it |
| 01:11.22 | onetinsoldier | Jassossovinik: you'll want the dir to belong to the group.. so use chgrp on it(or chown with the group option) |
| 01:11.22 | SpComb | http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2005-August/026416.html <-- this is a problem from 2005... |
| 01:11.26 | hyphenex | Can an X server be installed through apt get? |
| 01:11.27 | liable | then you need to make the group own that dir |
| 01:11.39 | SpComb | what I did was install postfix, I think it removed sendmail in some way, and now it's borked like this |
| 01:11.51 | liable | hyphenex: same way everything else is.. the name you want is xorg |
| 01:11.58 | |pepo| | Ive installed nagios in my Debian-Etch, but How do I can use web interface? |
| 01:12.26 | hyphenex | liable: xorg or F-Free86 or something? |
| 01:12.29 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, thanks. |
| 01:12.35 | freeone3000 | hyphenex: xserver-xorg is reccomended. |
| 01:12.36 | pstickne | hyphenex, that's how I installed xorg-xserver |
| 01:12.39 | liable | hyphenex: which debian version you have? |
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| 01:12.57 | pstickne | xorg 7.1 is out on etch! :) |
| 01:12.59 | dhuv | SpComb: so you replaced sendmail with postfix and now cron cannot send email? |
| 01:13.10 | hyphenex | latest stable I think. Thanks, I'm installing xserver-xorg now |
| 01:13.16 | SpComb | dhuv: oh it can send mail allright... three of them every hour |
| 01:13.32 | SpComb | cron is running some sendmail script that tries to call some sendmail-msp script that doesn't exist |
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| 01:14.01 | hyphenex | can't find package xorg or xserver-xorg |
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| 01:14.04 | dhuv | are you using testing? |
| 01:14.08 | SpComb | yes |
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| 01:14.23 | onetinsoldier | hyphenex: apt-cache search xorg |
| 01:14.40 | hyphenex | apt-cache search xorg returns nothing |
| 01:14.48 | hyphenex | hehehe, this is odd, IRC through terminal :P |
| 01:15.03 | onetinsoldier | oh? you using sarge? cat /etc/debian-version |
| 01:15.12 | liable | not odd, the way it should be :P |
| 01:15.23 | hyphenex | Returns 3.1 |
| 01:15.35 | onetinsoldier | ok.. that's sarge(stable) |
| 01:15.48 | onetinsoldier | try... apt-cache search xfree86 |
| 01:16.11 | liable | install x-window-system-core |
| 01:16.24 | onetinsoldier | there ya go... thanks liable |
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| 01:16.55 | liable | and also a wm would be good |
| 01:17.35 | hyphenex | yep xfree86 returns a few things |
| 01:17.48 | hyphenex | should I be install xserver-xfree86?? |
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| 01:18.41 | hyphenex | ahh, I'm install x-window-system-core |
| 01:18.48 | gomorrah | any good alternatives to firefox webbrowser ? |
| 01:18.52 | onetinsoldier | hyphenex: cool |
| 01:18.54 | freeone3000 | opera. |
| 01:19.00 | hyphenex | yeah, opera is good |
| 01:19.02 | freeone3000 | It's not in apt, and it's not free. |
| 01:19.04 | hyphenex | what are the terminal ones? |
| 01:19.09 | onetinsoldier | lynx |
| 01:19.11 | hyphenex | it is free now |
| 01:19.11 | freeone3000 | w3m. |
| 01:19.16 | freeone3000 | Not Free free. |
| 01:19.26 | onetinsoldier | lynx is a terminal one |
| 01:19.36 | jmmp | anybody uses frostwire in debian? |
| 01:19.36 | gomorrah | is firefox in bed with google ? |
| 01:19.43 | freeone3000 | Anyway. Is there a dpkg flag that says "I'm updating this myself. Don't touch it." |
| 01:19.49 | jmmp | becouse mine never gets connected? |
| 01:20.06 | hyphenex | can't see why frostwire wouldn't work, I mean, it is just Java |
| 01:20.15 | onetinsoldier | freeone3000: you can put a package on hold |
| 01:20.17 | cast | freeone3000: maybe aptitude hold? |
| 01:20.22 | hyphenex | I think it's using Swing anyway, so it should work, no? |
| 01:20.39 | freeone3000 | Ah. Mmkay.s Thanks. |
| 01:20.59 | jmmp | you say its becouse java its somehow worng |
| 01:21.03 | liable | no |
| 01:21.05 | jmmp | i mean wrong |
| 01:21.15 | gomorrah | Package opera has no installation candidate |
| 01:21.23 | kingsley | What does the "nolapic" boot option mean? |
| 01:22.08 | enouf | kingsley: no local apic |
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| 01:22.23 | jmmp | so hyphenex, do you know why it doesnt get connected? |
| 01:22.52 | onetinsoldier | gomorrah: opera is not free... you trying to get it with apt? you'll need to add non-free to your sources.list. actually, you might have to add a specific repositories to your source.slist |
| 01:22.55 | kingsley | enouf: Thanks. |
| 01:23.13 | onetinsoldier | sources.list* |
| 01:23.16 | freeone3000 | They offer a .deb download from their website. |
| 01:23.25 | gomorrah | k onetinsoldier |
| 01:23.42 | enouf | freeone3000: /msg dpkg hold (try 'pinning' as well) as others mentioned |
| 01:23.57 | jmmp | anybody knows why frostwire doesnt gets connected in debian? |
| 01:24.02 | freeone3000 | Ah. Thanks. |
| 01:24.13 | freeone3000 | The man page is a bit.. vague. |
| 01:24.17 | enouf | kingsley: np |
| 01:24.56 | Jassossovinik | d---rw---- 2 root www 4096 2006-10-04 15:59 apache2-default <== why can't a member of the group "www" write to that dir? |
| 01:25.24 | enouf | freeone3000: /msg dpkg reference as well :-) |
| 01:26.05 | jmmp | whats up nigga |
| 01:26.17 | gomorrah | browser.safebrowsing.enabled in firefox is heavily chatting to google btw |
| 01:26.19 | Azar | Jassossovinik: the w for write has another meaning for directories: write is only for files |
| 01:26.33 | gomorrah | firefox 2 that is |
| 01:26.43 | jmmp | cuck suckers |
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| 01:26.56 | jmmp | hi cindy |
| 01:26.58 | Jassossovinik | Azar, erm, ok, so how do i allow users to write into that directory then? |
| 01:27.22 | Azar | Jassossovinik: read chapter4.4.3 on this tutorial: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 01:27.31 | liable | freeone3000: whats the problem, just install it with dpkg i foo.deb |
| 01:27.33 | Jassossovinik | thanks Azar |
| 01:27.47 | liable | then put it on hold if you dont want it upgraded |
| 01:27.51 | jmmp | cindy i want a fuck with u |
| 01:27.59 | freeone3000 | liable: Yeha, that's what I did. |
| 01:28.02 | gomorrah | or chmod 777 |
| 01:28.09 | stranger_stone | azar?! out there black cat lol |
| 01:28.14 | gomorrah | who cares about permissions |
| 01:28.15 | enouf | jmmp: Quit it! |
| 01:28.22 | Azar | err Jassossovinik chapter 4.4.2 rather |
| 01:28.36 | onetinsoldier | enouf: hi. i'm looking the those too. i'm pretty rusty. can you remind why the apostrophes are needed around 'echo <packagename> hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 01:28.38 | jmmp | why |
| 01:28.59 | freeone3000 | They arn't. |
| 01:29.06 | gomorrah | i sense a kick coming up |
| 01:29.10 | enouf | onetinsoldier: they are not AFAIR |
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| 01:29.16 | freeone3000 | It's so you know it's a command, and don't actually put in the apostrophies. |
| 01:29.19 | jmmp | who are you enouf |
| 01:29.29 | onetinsoldier | ok.. thanks, my bad. i thought they were needed |
| 01:30.21 | onetinsoldier | freeone3000: roger, my bad. i'm really pretty rusty right now |
| 01:30.27 | Azar | Jassossovinik: you need an x near the rw so x meaning giving access to the files in that directory |
| 01:30.32 | onetinsoldier | with some things at least |
| 01:30.58 | jmmp | who cares negger |
| 01:31.13 | Jassossovinik | Azar, yeah, thanks, i managed to work that out from the guide you showed me - but it still doesn't work. My user cannot write to the dir |
| 01:31.17 | enouf | onetinsoldier: sometimes they are (but usually not) .. like in grep CONFIG /boot/config-`uname -r` <-- but those are backticks .. see bash beginners guide :-) |
| 01:31.25 | Jassossovinik | d---rwx--- 2 root www 4096 2006-10-04 15:59 apache2-default |
| 01:31.34 | onetinsoldier | enouf: roger. thank you |
| 01:31.48 | onetinsoldier | :) |
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| 01:31.58 | Jassossovinik | you can replace `uname -r` with $(uname -r) |
| 01:31.59 | enouf | onetinsoldier: also see #bash (lurk around) :-) |
| 01:32.03 | Azar | Jassossovinik: your user now has access to that directory, is the files in that directory that need write permissions |
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| 01:32.53 | onetinsoldier | enouf: okie dokie, will do! |
| 01:33.09 | jmmp | go hell mother fucker |
| 01:33.17 | Jassossovinik | Azar, I want the user to be able to write in the dir... |
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| 01:33.25 | liable | jmmp: stop being a tard |
| 01:33.26 | Jassossovinik | i.e. create files in the dir |
| 01:34.09 | Azar | rwx: You can do anything you want with the files in this directory, as long as it's permitted by the permissions * |
| 01:34.12 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.23 | liable | put said user in the group (www according to your ls -l) |
| 01:34.43 | enouf | jmmp there is no reason to become nasty and act like a spoiled rotten child because nobody either a0 doesn't know the answer to your question .. or b) doesn't even use frostwhatever and c) has no idea what frostwire is |
| 01:34.45 | Jassossovinik | liable, the user is in the group |
| 01:35.11 | enouf | jmmp: I fall into abc personally |
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| 01:35.36 | liable | Jassossovinik: and has the user logged out since being added? |
| 01:35.44 | Jassossovinik | yes :-/ |
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| 01:36.14 | Azar | hmm if the "g" does not work try with "u" |
| 01:36.19 | enouf | jmmp: there;s also #debian on irc.debian.org (official channel) .. and you can try later too (ask again at a later time) |
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| 01:37.05 | Azar | Jassossovinik: did you added permisions for that directory to that group? |
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| 01:37.22 | Jassossovinik | OH MY WORD! |
| 01:37.32 | Jassossovinik | It's seriously late and i'm embarrased now I know what my mistake is. |
| 01:37.37 | Jassossovinik | I've been working on the wrong server |
| 01:37.38 | Jassossovinik | :'( |
| 01:37.42 | enouf | heh |
| 01:37.45 | Jassossovinik | No wonder my user is telling me it's not working. |
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| 01:39.29 | gomorrah | it looks like the kick is averted |
| 01:39.38 | gomorrah | too bad |
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| 01:42.11 | peteweez | I know this isn't exactly Debian related, but I'm a Debian user, and I didn't know where to ask. I have a USB Flash Drive with LUKS encryption on it. It mounts fine under Debian, but I can't seem to mount it under Winblows using FreeOTFE. I think I'm setting some options wrong. Does anybody have experience with FreeOTFE? |
| 01:43.14 | cast | Fraid not. Sarah is friendly though, she might be able to answer if you email her [dunno of freeotfe has a mailing list of its own], or post do the dm-crypt mailing list |
| 01:43.18 | itsbroken | hello, I just bought a new usb disk drive. In windows when I plug it in it show a new disk drive as well as a cdrom drive in my computer, i figure it will do the same thing in linux and it does, seem to be /dev/sg0 and sg1 but when i try to mount it sasy not a valid block device, anyone can suggest what to do? |
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| 01:44.05 | cast | itsbroken: its always /dev/sdX for me, mmm, what does dmesg say? |
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| 01:44.27 | Jassossovinik | HELP please - I just "chmod -R 070 /var/www" (i.e. a folder with web pages hosted on it) - how do i get it back - all my users are getting 403 errors |
| 01:44.29 | Jassossovinik | please help fast :-/ |
| 01:44.30 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 01:44.47 | [Nige] | I have created a firewall script, and used the update-rc firewall.sh defaults... now i need to edit it... |
| 01:44.56 | [Nige] | how do I change it so I can save changes again. |
| 01:45.09 | itsbroken | attachedt scsi cdrom sr0 , scsi generic sg0 and scsi generic sg1, scsi disk sda .. ok sda , fat unable to read boot sector |
| 01:45.12 | [Nige] | or is their an easy way to delete it and all its other links? |
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| 01:45.23 | henk | Hi, i have a ext3 filesystem on a single primary partition on hdc1. hdc1 is 50 % free and i've resized (resize2fs) the filesystem to 50% of the partition space. Now I was hoping to resize the partition to this same size and create a second partition on hdc (hdc2). qtparted is showing the partition but the 'resize' option is greyed out. is it not possible to do what i want or am i missing something? |
| 01:45.25 | peteweez | Jassossovinik: Why don't you just chmod -R 644 /var/www or something like that? |
| 01:45.56 | hyphenex | Anybody used Xming before?? |
| 01:45.59 | Jassossovinik | peteweez, doesn't work still |
| 01:46.01 | cast | peteweez: he needs +x bit on dirs, too |
| 01:46.01 | peteweez | itsbroken: Might be a filesystem that Linux can't handle. |
| 01:46.06 | itsbroken | fat32? |
| 01:46.07 | lastnode | is it possible to install debian from just hte 1st install disc? (i dont want other packages, just the base) |
| 01:46.15 | DerJamster | lastnode: yes |
| 01:46.15 | peteweez | itsbroken: linux supports that |
| 01:46.30 | itsbroken | hmmm |
| 01:46.40 | lastnode | DerJamster, does gnome ship on the first disc? |
| 01:46.40 | DerJamster | lastnode: if you have a good internet connection, I suggest the netinstall iso, actually. around 100 megs, installs a base system and lets you install the rest as usual through apt-get. |
| 01:46.46 | cast | Jassossovinik: i'd say 770 but that is a bit dangerous...would make everything executable. what were you trying to do? |
| 01:46.54 | DerJamster | that way you're not bound to a Desktop/WM either. |
| 01:47.03 | peteweez | Jassossovinik: chmod -R 755 /var/www I think |
| 01:47.05 | onetinsoldier | perhaps fat32 isn't loaded in his kernel? |
| 01:47.09 | lastnode | DerJamster, i have only wifi net access, so i need to install a base and then install the bcm firmware. so net install wont do |
| 01:47.12 | cast | Jassossovinik: 770 isn't much worse than 070 btw, it'll break less things |
| 01:47.30 | itsbroken | i have to load fat32 in the kernel ? hmm |
| 01:47.41 | onetinsoldier | perhaps that's it |
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| 01:47.47 | itsbroken | okay ill check |
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| 01:48.11 | peteweez | henk: I don't think qtparted can resize ext3, but you can do that manually |
| 01:48.18 | onetinsoldier | itsbroken: you might try.... modprobe vfat |
| 01:48.21 | peteweez | henk: But that could really fuck up your data |
| 01:48.24 | enouf | itsbroken: lsmod | grep vfat |
| 01:48.38 | itsbroken | seems to be loaded |
| 01:48.41 | peteweez | onetinsouldier: good idea...I wouldn't have thought of that |
| 01:48.43 | onetinsoldier | oh.. hmm |
| 01:49.02 | peteweez | henk: man resize2fs |
| 01:49.12 | Jassossovinik | <peteweez> Jassossovinik: chmod -R 755 /var/www I think <== thanks |
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| 01:49.35 | peteweez | henk: then resize the underlying partition, and make the partition BIGGER than the filesystem on it! |
| 01:49.59 | peteweez | Jassossovinik: glad it helped, check that I didn't create a security hole or something. |
| 01:50.11 | itsbroken | everytime i try to mount dmesg says FAT: unable to read boot sector, I think the scsi cdrom emu in this drive is whacko |
| 01:50.12 | henk | peteweez: it's not the ext3 itself that i'm unable to resize, resize2fs does that for me. I need to free up the disk to create a new partition. Currently I have a 160GB partition hdc1 that has a 70 GB ext3 on it. i want the partition resized so i can create a new partition in the free space on the disk |
| 01:50.16 | enouf | itsbroken: i think I missed your question |
| 01:50.20 | enouf | oh |
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| 01:50.33 | peteweez | henk: cfdisk or fdisk will do that |
| 01:50.49 | itsbroken | its a usb disk drive, but when i plug it in it installs a cdrom drive and disk drive... in windows... |
| 01:51.01 | peteweez | henk: LEAVE EXTRA SPACE IN THE PARTITION and BACK UP YOUR DATA!!! |
| 01:51.02 | henk | peteweez: ok, i'll check the docs on cfdik thanks |
| 01:51.12 | henk | peteweez: sure i'll do that ;) |
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| 01:51.17 | peteweez | henk: be careful |
| 01:51.42 | liable | peteweez: qtparted can resize ext3, you just need to remove the journal |
| 01:51.43 | peteweez | itsbroken: You have a flash drive with that fucked up U3 shit...don't get me started on that |
| 01:51.44 | enouf | itsbroken: are you talking about something like daemon tools or alcohol 120 |
| 01:51.53 | peteweez | liable: it can? Didn't know that |
| 01:52.05 | peteweez | liable: shows what I know ;-) |
| 01:52.14 | Jassossovinik | <peteweez> Jassossovinik: glad it helped, check that I didn't create a security hole or something. <== yeah, i'm going to wait a few mins and then try lowering perms till they break and then up it back to working ;-) |
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| 01:52.21 | liable | peteweez: now you know a little more :) |
| 01:52.39 | itsbroken | peteweez: huh? |
| 01:52.45 | peteweez | Jassossovinik: Cool...say hi to the Chinese hackers for me if they get in :-) |
| 01:52.54 | peteweez | itsbroken: U3 |
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| 01:53.02 | peteweez | itsbroken: google it |
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| 01:53.26 | peteweez | itsbroken: the flash stick emulates a cd drive so it can autorun on windows. |
| 01:53.35 | itsbroken | enouf: no, i dont know how to explain at the moment |
| 01:53.38 | itsbroken | its not a usb flash drive |
| 01:53.45 | itsbroken | its a 320GB usb disk drive |
| 01:53.59 | peteweez | itsbroken: Oh fuck. That's different |
| 01:54.17 | itsbroken | but in windows it does install a cdrom emu and disk drive in my computer |
| 01:54.24 | itsbroken | freakin thing is wierd, yeah for the drivers |
| 01:54.36 | peteweez | itsbroken: did the box have a U3 logo on it? |
| 01:54.38 | itsbroken | so it kinda acts like a usb flash |
| 01:54.44 | itsbroken | no hmmm let me check |
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| 01:55.56 | itsbroken | no it doesnt, its a acomdata external hard drive E5 |
| 01:56.34 | peteweez | What does cfdisk or fdisk think about it? |
| 01:56.46 | itsbroken | oh you know what the damn problem may be |
| 01:56.53 | itsbroken | it has password protection |
| 01:56.57 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 01:57.04 | itsbroken | crap |
| 01:57.24 | peteweez | itsbroken: That might explain it. |
| 01:57.36 | itsbroken | unfreakinbelievable |
| 01:57.42 | peteweez | LUKS will [supposedly] work with both Windows and Linux if you need encryption. |
| 01:57.58 | peteweez | But of course you must first remove the existing protection. |
| 01:58.03 | itsbroken | hmm |
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| 01:58.11 | enouf | itsbroken: sfdisk and sdparm |
| 01:58.17 | peteweez | And I know about as much as my dog does about doing that. |
| 01:58.27 | itsbroken | lol |
| 01:58.31 | Firztspawn | if one kernel (debian built) starts fine, and another (downloaded from kernel.org and built manually) gives you fsck.ext3: No suck directory.... The superblock could not be read.. whats wrong? |
| 01:58.56 | itsbroken | thanks guys, sorry for the question that couldnt be helped because this stoopid thing |
| 01:59.02 | peteweez | lol |
| 01:59.04 | peteweez | no prob |
| 01:59.18 | itsbroken | im gonna have to read up on that sfdisk and ... sdparam, |
| 01:59.28 | enouf | Firztspawn: you built it wrong? |
| 01:59.29 | peteweez | Firztspawn: Did you enable ext3 in make menuconfig? |
| 01:59.53 | enouf | itsbroken: you might need the password :-P |
| 01:59.56 | itsbroken | 12345 |
| 02:00.02 | enouf | hehe |
| 02:00.05 | Firztspawn | ext3 is compiled in |
| 02:00.12 | peteweez | itsbroken: I'll go ahead and post it on alt.2600. |
| 02:00.18 | itsbroken | lol |
| 02:00.32 | peteweez | itsbroken: Tell us your credit card number while you're at it. |
| 02:00.42 | peteweez | Firztspawn: idk then |
| 02:01.14 | itsbroken | nice heh |
| 02:01.23 | w0rd54 | plz post all your credit info to chan |
| 02:01.28 | w0rd54 | thanks in advance! |
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| 02:03.01 | peteweez | Again: has anyone successfully used FreeOTFE with a LUKS partition? |
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| 02:04.19 | Azar | you know... I work a lot with numbers, spreadsheets n such.. OpenOffice works fine for me no need for Windows and msoffice |
| 02:05.01 | peteweez | Oh, and I was also curious about this: Has anyone seen the faq drugs thing about IRCing while high? I was wondering where that came from. |
| 02:05.29 | Azar | debian drugs faq.. hmm |
| 02:05.41 | Azar | nope |
| 02:05.54 | peteweez | I saw it on the unofficial Gentoo bot...but I assume it's elsewhere as well. |
| 02:06.29 | liable | peteweez: someone mentioned its in the #gentoo bots db |
| 02:06.29 | peteweez | What's a db? |
| 02:06.35 | liable | database |
| 02:06.39 | peteweez | well yeah |
| 02:06.54 | peteweez | but what does it refer to in this context (sorry, n00b moment!)? |
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| 02:08.17 | xtavaresx | hello. how good is debian for the ppc architecture (g4 ibook)? |
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| 02:10.48 | Azar | i as in Apple products? |
| 02:11.17 | liable | peteweez: its the place where all the factoids are stored |
| 02:11.48 | peteweez | liable: Oh OK...what's that bot's name? And why does it have a faq drugs? |
| 02:11.52 | xtavaresx | azar yes. |
| 02:12.37 | liable | peteweez: no idea, i dont hang in #gentoo |
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| 02:13.20 | Azar | xtavaresx: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/release-notes/ debian supports ppc since "potato".. and is still supported in Sarge |
| 02:13.23 | peteweez | xtavaresx: I don't have a ppc, but I would say that Debian has a strict policy of all archs getting equal attention, so the ppc distro should be in no way inferior to the x86 distro. |
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| 02:13.45 | peteweez | xtavaresx: And there are no plans to drop ppc support in the future, |
| 02:13.47 | peteweez | *. |
| 02:14.23 | xtavaresx | peteweez: in theory yes, i am looking for a distro that will continue to support it, and that people rate highly for ppc support |
| 02:14.34 | xtavaresx | i am a fan of apt over other distros package methods |
| 02:14.47 | xtavaresx | and i use kubuntu on my i686 |
| 02:14.48 | peteweez | They will continue to support it, but I don't know about how nice it works for ppc |
| 02:15.17 | peteweez | I like Debian, but I think it lags behind the other distros in the name of stability (which it does have) |
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| 02:15.25 | xtavaresx | i think i will need to compile from source most of the time, as debs are arch specific? |
| 02:15.38 | peteweez | xtavaresk: most packages have ppc debs |
| 02:15.45 | peteweez | so no |
| 02:15.46 | xtavaresx | oh thats good. |
| 02:15.51 | peteweez | Yes it is |
| 02:16.00 | fUSiON_fr | debian have 14 cd's i will download all ? |
| 02:16.11 | xtavaresx | i am deciding between debian and gentoo. |
| 02:16.15 | gravity | fUSiON_fr: No. If you have a decent connection, just download the netinstall cd |
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| 02:16.40 | fUSiON_fr | no i have a bad connection! |
| 02:16.56 | xtavaresx | fusion_fr go to a bookstore then! |
| 02:16.59 | gravity | fUSiON_fr: You may want to order a CD or DVD set then |
| 02:17.00 | fUSiON_fr | 2 CD i can install the system with gnome ? |
| 02:17.12 | liable | yes |
| 02:17.14 | Azar | xtavaresx: generally speaking, with debian is not really wise to play with packages outside the repositories, unless you are experienced in handling dependencies .. |
| 02:17.21 | liable | iso1 has gnome on it |
| 02:17.23 | gravity | fUSiON_fr: If you're thinking about downloading whole CD's you probably want the netinst cd |
| 02:17.44 | xtavaresx | Azar, if i want third party apps i'd be best to compile from source correct? |
| 02:17.52 | fUSiON_fr | 2 CD take 2 day !!!! |
| 02:17.54 | xtavaresx | as i am a fan of the songbird project |
| 02:18.01 | xtavaresx | for example |
| 02:18.08 | Azar | xtavaresx: then you fix the dependencies, otherwise you will have problems |
| 02:18.27 | gravity | fUSiON_fr: The netinst CD is small. It installs a base system, then lets you download and install only what you want |
| 02:18.38 | Azar | xtavaresx: if aptitude does not find a package you need, you will have to work on it yourself |
| 02:18.56 | Azar | "downloading" , compiling, installing is not enough |
| 02:19.08 | xtavaresx | so what do you mean by 'work on'? |
| 02:19.10 | fUSiON_fr | aha cool !!! then apt-get install gdm gnome xorg ? |
| 02:19.30 | jeffreyb | fUSiON_fr, Ubuntu is only 1 cd with gnome desktop. |
| 02:19.32 | Azar | xtavaresx: the system might become unstable due to unmet dependencies |
| 02:19.49 | Jassossovinik | OK |
| 02:19.51 | fUSiON_fr | i have ubuntu i whant to try debian |
| 02:19.59 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:21.00 | Azar | fUSiON_fr: either 2 day / or / order the CDs |
| 02:21.17 | fUSiON_fr | how can i build my one debian cd with only gnome and some litle stuff ? |
| 02:21.45 | Azar | fUSiON_fr: debian base without gnome is small, gnome is huge |
| 02:21.47 | fUSiON_fr | hehe!! i m in tunisia we dont have visa card to bye debian online ! |
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| 02:22.27 | liable | fUSiON_fr: you cant go to an internet cafe and download the cd's? |
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| 02:22.35 | bash_ | fUSiON_fr you need install debian base and the package gnome-core |
| 02:22.55 | fUSiON_fr | in tunisia the best speed is 256 KS and i have this speed! |
| 02:23.05 | liable | bugger |
| 02:23.11 | onetinsoldier | what about netinstall floppies? that's what i used months agot to install testing |
| 02:23.22 | onetinsoldier | ago* |
| 02:23.34 | Azar | fUSiON_fr: get a vacation in Germany go there and buy it |
| 02:23.38 | liable | patience is the key i guess.. |
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| 02:23.44 | fUSiON_fr | hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 02:23.50 | fUSiON_fr | ok !!! |
| 02:23.52 | onetinsoldier | what about netinstall floppies? that's what i used months ago to install testing |
| 02:23.59 | liable | i used to run sid on dialup, that was quite painfull.. :) |
| 02:24.10 | onetinsoldier | no doubt |
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| 02:24.31 | peteweez | fUSiON_fr: use bittorrent and leave it running for a few weeks. |
| 02:24.45 | onetinsoldier | bet by the time you updated new versions of packages were out liable... lol |
| 02:24.47 | fUSiON_fr | ok :D |
| 02:25.21 | liable | onetinsoldier: just used to update overnight, wasnt so bad in reality |
| 02:25.30 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
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| 02:26.40 | SeanTater | I just saw this in my console: [hostname] kernel: journal commit I/O error <-- (I replaced hostname for safety) I take it this is a bad thing.. Any chance my data is in jeopardy? |
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| 02:27.43 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ ?? |
| 02:27.51 | peteweez | SeanTater: I used to get those, I think. I don't think it's a big deal, but don't quote me on that. |
| 02:28.46 | SeanTater | peteweez: is it a good time to do a filesystem check? Because just prior to it I couldn;t read past a few hundred MB's of a specific file.. |
| 02:29.03 | peteweez | SeanTater: Sure, go ahead...can't hurt |
| 02:29.10 | SeanTater | peteweez: okay |
| 02:29.18 | peteweez | make sure to unmount the filesystem and force the check |
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| 02:32.57 | SeanTater | peteweez: I unmounted it, and it does have errors |
| 02:33.08 | SeanTater | peteweez: so it forced the check itself |
| 02:33.47 | SeanTater | peteweez: It mentioned --> Deleted inode 81946 has zero dtime. Fix<y>? yes <-- (as you can see, I answered yes) |
| 02:33.53 | peteweez | Well that's good or bad, depending on how you look at it. |
| 02:34.02 | peteweez | answer yes, yeah |
| 02:34.14 | peteweez | probably not a big deal |
| 02:35.15 | SeanTater | peteweez: for a USB-2 connected drive with ~30GB data and ~60GB capacity, am I in the ballpark of waiting until next week or ten minutes? |
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| 02:35.24 | peteweez | ten minutes |
| 02:35.30 | peteweez | definitely |
| 02:35.33 | SeanTater | peteweez: okay -- thanks |
| 02:35.47 | peteweez | unless your CPU is a collectible antique |
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| 02:36.08 | SeanTater | peteweez: :-) |
| 02:36.11 | bariel | hello, what is the different between en_AU.UTF-8, en_BW.UTF-8 etc? |
| 02:36.32 | tabris|away | AU vs BW is country |
| 02:36.37 | tabris|away | not sure what country BW is tho |
| 02:36.48 | SeanTater | peteweez: another error: Inode 2965512 has illegal block(s). Clear<y> <-- Is yes a good answer? |
| 02:36.55 | tabris|away | bariel: botswana aparrently |
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| 02:37.12 | tabris|away | bariel: note that en_GB and en_US would have some spelling differences, for example. |
| 02:37.13 | peteweez | SeanTater: pretty much yes to everything unless it wants to remove a directory. |
| 02:37.19 | bariel | but utf-8 is utf-8, why is there so many country? |
| 02:37.23 | SeanTater | peteweez: okay -- thanks |
| 02:37.42 | tabris|away | bariel: as I said... in the US, you get marked down by your narrowminded english prof for spelling 'humour' with a 'u' |
| 02:37.44 | peteweez | and if it wants to remove a directory, you're essentially fucked (or at least the directory is) |
| 02:37.59 | tabris|away | bariel: while in GB/UK, 'humour' is the correct spelling of the word. |
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| 02:38.17 | bariel | tabris|away: i installed my system, and my $LANG is en_AU-UTF-8, and i am not from australia anyway, how can i reconfigure it? |
| 02:38.34 | peteweez | tabris|away: Webster was the one who changed those spellings for US natives |
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| 02:38.43 | SeanTater | peteweez: the inode has too many bad blocks. is clearing the inode a good idea? |
| 02:38.47 | peteweez | he tried to simplify english |
| 02:38.53 | peteweez | SeanTater: yes |
| 02:39.05 | peteweez | SeanTater: How old is your hard drive? |
| 02:39.22 | SeanTater | peteweez: sorry to be a bit annoying -- I just have some pretty important data on that HD |
| 02:39.44 | SeanTater | peteweez: probably 5 years to so, give or take 2 years |
| 02:39.45 | peteweez | SeanTater: not at all...but you -may- [not will] lose a file or two |
| 02:39.57 | peteweez | SeanTater: at least 4 or 5 years? |
| 02:40.02 | tabris|away | bariel: fraid I've had little but grief when doing that, so I'm not sure (not to say I never succeeded, but I never remember how it's done properly. most of whati had to do was hackish) |
| 02:40.13 | SeanTater | peteweez: yes |
| 02:40.26 | peteweez | SeanTater: I had the same problem, I think. |
| 02:40.34 | bariel | tabris|away: i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales, but it seems not to working |
| 02:40.37 | peteweez | SeanTater: You need a new hard drive NOW. |
| 02:40.48 | tabris|away | peteweez: I'd shoot Webster then. my bloody narrowminded english prof who insists that all there is is American English (and her variant at that) has been marking me down for such spellings. meanwhile, she never told us that beforehand. |
| 02:41.13 | peteweez | tabris|away: Then use some real English on her and tell her to go fuck herself. |
| 02:41.26 | peteweez | tabris|away: I hate profs like that |
| 02:41.42 | peteweez | SeanTater: Your HD has a few months at most, I think |
| 02:41.51 | peteweez | SeanTater: so you need a new one. |
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| 02:42.41 | junix659 | is there something wrong with libcario? |
| 02:42.45 | junix659 | libcairo? |
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| 02:43.01 | sanabriamusic | hi, it is possible to put debian in a laptop tht wont boot from cd by mmaking a bootable floppy with a debian pc |
| 02:43.18 | SeanTater | peteweez: lifespan if I use it about monthly (11 GB backups)? |
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| 02:43.48 | ec_ | why does kernel-(source|package) not use the 2.6.18.xy version level? |
| 02:44.04 | peteweez | SeanTater: No on earthly idea (should be a while), but if it's backups, then you really need a new hard disk NOW. You don't want the backup disk to fail on you. |
| 02:44.26 | GrimWald | it does ec_ |
| 02:44.27 | peteweez | ec_: Because the Debian devs like to use fossil software in the name of stability. |
| 02:44.33 | sanabriamusic | ok at least...how can i make a debian bootable floppy |
| 02:44.34 | cast | SeanTater: see what SMART says, too |
| 02:44.58 | sanabriamusic | floppy formatter? and do i use dos or ext format |
| 02:44.59 | SeanTater | cast: The package manager? |
| 02:45.03 | peteweez | \me agrees with cast |
| 02:45.11 | peteweez | oh crap wrong slash type |
| 02:45.49 | Azar | peteweez: I prefer software that was checked and patched by debian than the "quickies" crappy code that flies in one - that all newbies are salivating after |
| 02:45.50 | peteweez | sanabriamusic: I think there are boot floppies that will load a CD and boot it |
| 02:46.01 | cast | SeanTater: might be a package called |
| 02:46.10 | cast | SeanTater: smartmontools damn paste. |
| 02:46.19 | peteweez | Azar: What do you mean, the n00bs are salivating over it? |
| 02:46.23 | sanabriamusic | i was able to do it with puppy linux but |
| 02:46.27 | Azar | peteweez: and yes, Debian is one of the most solid/stable around |
| 02:46.32 | sanabriamusic | i was wondering if i could do it with debian |
| 02:46.38 | peteweez | Azar: yeah it is |
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| 02:46.50 | SeanTater | cast: okay |
| 02:46.51 | peteweez | sanabriamusic: Can't you edit the bios settings and tell it to boot from CD? |
| 02:47.06 | Azar | peteweez: exactly how it sounds: newbies are salivating after the latest crappy code released that was not even tested |
| 02:47.06 | politik | dumb question... how can I run a process as a certain user, without su? |
| 02:47.08 | sanabriamusic | how do i do a copy sys a: on debian language |
| 02:47.47 | cast | politik: you spawn it from a process owned by the certain user? |
| 02:48.00 | onetinsoldier | ec_: probably because debian hasn't implemented that version of the kernel yet... they do things to it. set it up with specifically for debian and implement debian patches in it |
| 02:48.23 | Azar | peteweez: and whoever wants non-fossil software can deal with sid... there are choices |
| 02:48.38 | peteweez | Azar: yeah |
| 02:48.39 | politik | cast: any simpler way? :) |
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| 02:48.47 | cast | politik: what is the example? |
| 02:48.51 | GrimWald | politik: chmod +s ? if the program is owned by the user |
| 02:49.07 | sanabriamusic | how much space does debian need to install in a drive |
| 02:49.17 | cast | sudo would be another way |
| 02:49.22 | politik | there is an executable my user owns that I want to run as www-data |
| 02:49.57 | Azar | sanabriamusic: I have an 80GB HD and my Debian (witout gnome or kde) takes 1.5% |
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| 02:50.41 | politik | hm okay I'll see what chmod +s does, maybe thats what I want. I can chown it to www-data and then run it? |
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| 02:50.42 | onetinsoldier | sanabriamusic: not much. i'm not sure of an exact amount but probably only one or two hundred megs for nohting but the basic system. maybe less |
| 02:50.44 | GrimWald | i would chown www-data.www-data the process and the chmod +s it politik |
| 02:50.46 | SeanTater | cast: okat smart is installed -- what does it do? |
| 02:50.53 | SeanTater | cast: /okay/ |
| 02:50.56 | sanabriamusic | ok this is the deal someone gave me a laptop to fix but is an old one that runs win95 which was installed with floppies which no longer exissts and i want to try putting a nice looking linux on it |
| 02:51.24 | madman215 | hmm |
| 02:52.10 | sanabriamusic | would formating a floppy with xt allow me to make it boot debian cd? |
| 02:52.27 | peteweez | sanabriamusic: does it even have a cd-rom drive? |
| 02:52.30 | cast | SeanTater: man smartctl |
| 02:52.31 | GrimWald | politik chmod +s turn on the suid permission bit, so anyone who run this program will run this program as the owner of it |
| 02:52.32 | Azar | sanabriamusic: you can use a netinstall |
| 02:52.49 | sanabriamusic | yes |
| 02:52.55 | sanabriamusic | but the bios is very weird |
| 02:52.57 | GrimWald | (sorry for my english, my brain doesn't wanna talk foreign languages at this hour) |
| 02:53.01 | politik | GrimWald: cool, that works |
| 02:53.05 | onetinsoldier | sanabriamusic: well, several months ago i downloaded debian netinstall floppies and installed it from the net. it installed nothing but the bare bones basic debian/linux system... from the internet. the floppies are to set up you partitions and configure for the most part.. packages download from the internet |
| 02:53.14 | sanabriamusic | and doent let u specify to boot on cd |
| 02:53.35 | sanabriamusic | hm how do i do a net install |
| 02:53.58 | sanabriamusic | i can connect it to the net tho |
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| 02:54.47 | sanabriamusic | ok i see |
| 02:54.51 | sanabriamusic | thanks |
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| 02:55.59 | onetinsoldier | sanabriamusic: well, i'll admit it was a little difficult for me to locate the netinstall 'floppy' images.. but i can look for them if you want. are you currently using ms windows? |
| 02:56.43 | onetinsoldier | doh.. |
| 02:56.44 | Azar | hmm I thought netinstall is to install minimal without any media... bah you still need to burn a cd |
| 02:56.55 | onetinsoldier | no. you don't |
| 02:57.10 | onetinsoldier | there are(or were at least) netinstall floppy images |
| 02:57.36 | onetinsoldier | i buned no cd to install my testing installation several months ago |
| 02:57.36 | Azar | maybe for woody |
| 02:57.38 | SeanTater | peteweez: the disk check says --> Block bitmap differences: -(183844--186367) ~|~ (fix <y>) <-- (The ~|~ represents at least 5 dozen more numbers in twos in parenthesis), yes still a good idea? |
| 02:57.56 | onetinsoldier | i did not burn any cd to install my testing installation several months ago |
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| 02:58.40 | junix | is there something wrong with libcairo? |
| 02:58.47 | peteweez | SeanTater: fix it |
| 02:58.49 | onetinsoldier | it may take me a bit, but i will go and see if i can locate netinstall floppy images |
| 02:58.49 | junix | i can't get it to compile with vmware |
| 02:58.58 | peteweez | SeanTater: yes is usually the answer |
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| 02:59.36 | SeanTater | peteweez: thanks |
| 03:00.33 | peteweez | no prob. |
| 03:01.11 | Firztspawn | I need help, I compiled a kernel without initramfs and initrd support, however, udev isnt starting now thus causing greater issues |
| 03:01.28 | SeanTater | peteweez: it finished (I pressed at least 35 more <y>'s in the last few seconds) |
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| 03:01.38 | Firztspawn | I was told I didnt need initrd support.. so what gives? |
| 03:02.24 | ec_ | Firztspawn, why do you think those issues are related? |
| 03:03.00 | Firztspawn | well, this kernel (debian built) uses initrd, which then boots up udev right? |
| 03:04.25 | peteweez | SeanTater: good. Now go get a new HD. |
| 03:04.33 | peteweez | SeanTater: How big is your HD? |
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| 03:05.21 | SeanTater | peteweez: 3.5 inches wide, about 5 inxhes long, about 1 inch high |
| 03:05.22 | GrimWald | if you don't use initramfs you need at least yaird to boot up udev Firztspawn i think |
| 03:05.36 | peteweez | SeanTater: lol no what's its capacity |
| 03:05.37 | SeanTater | peteweez: oh -- CAPACITY! :) |
| 03:05.39 | peteweez | lo |
| 03:05.40 | peteweez | l |
| 03:05.49 | SeanTater | peteweez: 60GB |
| 03:06.03 | peteweez | hold on a sec... |
| 03:06.16 | peteweez | internal ide? |
| 03:06.23 | SeanTater | peteweez: smartctl says it's healthy |
| 03:06.37 | peteweez | yeah it did for mine too |
| 03:06.49 | peteweez | but it would remount readonly after a dma error |
| 03:06.55 | peteweez | that was after a few months |
| 03:06.59 | SeanTater | peteweez: no, external USB2, and it looks like scsi, but I /really/ think it's IDE |
| 03:07.09 | peteweez | see how it works out for you...you may not need a new HD |
| 03:07.30 | peteweez | and if it does break, it'll be gradual, and you'll still probably be able to read the contents. |
| 03:07.39 | peteweez | see if badblocks finds anything on your HD. |
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| 03:08.28 | peteweez | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822154623 |
| 03:08.31 | peteweez | $50 |
| 03:08.36 | peteweez | kinda pricey |
| 03:09.10 | peteweez | Oh gosh did I just break a rule by posting a link to a product? Sorry! |
| 03:09.34 | SeanTater | peteweez: it's an internal ide in a external hub thingamajig |
| 03:09.38 | Firztspawn | ok GrimWald thanx, will check it out |
| 03:09.55 | peteweez | oh ok |
| 03:11.02 | SeanTater | peteweez: thanks anyway |
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| 03:11.23 | peteweez | sure |
| 03:11.38 | SeanTater | peteweez: good night -- (if you're near my time zone) |
| 03:11.48 | peteweez | EST? |
| 03:12.41 | peteweez | What TZ are you? |
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| 03:18.53 | lastnode | http://pastebin.ca/258090 <-- any idea why that is failing on a brand new etch deboostrapped install? |
| 03:19.30 | SeanTater | peteweez: EST here, I've just spent too much time in front of my computer today - |
| 03:19.58 | liable | lastnode: check the bts for that package |
| 03:20.01 | peteweez | SeanTater: Lol. I'm also EST (Maryland, USA) |
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| 03:22.24 | necrosys | hi everybody |
| 03:22.53 | BabyBee | necrosys hi |
| 03:23.46 | necrosys | BabyBee, hi |
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| 03:24.23 | BabyBee | ;) |
| 03:24.32 | necrosys | h |
| 03:24.38 | hooya | anyone know how to rip the audio from a DVD? for example, i have music DVD i want the audio tracks of... |
| 03:25.02 | hooya | ogg would be nice. |
| 03:25.11 | necrosys | yeah!! ogg RULES! |
| 03:25.24 | cast | hooya: easy. use mplayer and an audiodump of some kind :) |
| 03:25.51 | cast | it might be -audiodump or -dumpaudio, there will be an option somewhere to get a wav of it anyway |
| 03:26.12 | lastnode | liable, is there a way to force a remove? i tried apt-get remove --purge |
| 03:26.34 | BabyBee | necrosys maybe you can call a doctor to have a look at your lap |
| 03:26.40 | liable | lastnode: prolly not if the script is failing |
| 03:26.54 | lastnode | liable, so ill just wait for the update? |
| 03:27.04 | liable | lastnode: you might want to try removing the set e from the script thats borked |
| 03:27.10 | necrosys | jajaja ... |
| 03:27.11 | hooya | cast: but how do i rip the different tracks? |
| 03:27.13 | liable | lastnode: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 03:27.23 | hooya | cast: ... into seperate files? |
| 03:27.29 | cast | hooya: not sure you can automatically |
| 03:27.41 | cast | hooya: i think the sound might be just one long seamless stream |
| 03:28.00 | lastnode | liable, set e? i dont follow. |
| 03:28.04 | hooya | cast: that's fine, as long as i can rip out individual tracks, i can 'for' loop it... |
| 03:28.16 | liable | lastnode: have a look at the top of the offending script |
| 03:28.21 | hooya | hmm |
| 03:28.49 | cast | hooya: but you can't...you'd be ripping the entire dvd as one giant wav |
| 03:28.59 | liable | lastnode: btw, did the bts not give any usefull info? |
| 03:29.01 | hooya | cast: that stinks.. |
| 03:29.03 | cast | hooya: you'd have to go in with audacity and chop it up |
| 03:29.13 | hooya | ugh... |
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| 03:29.51 | cast | hooya: come on..there's a reason they sell CD sound tracks of dvds for 66% of the price of the dvd ;\ |
| 03:29.58 | lastnode | liable, bts? im assuming the packages.debian.org log? |
| 03:30.44 | SeanTater | peteweez: Appearantly, I'm not sleepy :) | Anyway -- Is it okay to Ctrl-C "badblocks"? I don;t want it to kill what's left of my drive and I'd like to go ahead and recover any data -- |
| 03:31.21 | liable | lastnode: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:31.25 | peteweez | sure you can ctrl-c it...it's just scanning |
| 03:31.35 | peteweez | it doesn't fix anything |
| 03:31.37 | SeanTater | peteweez: okay, thanks |
| 03:31.45 | peteweez | did it find any bad blocks yet |
| 03:31.47 | hooya | cast: ok, i think you misunderstood me, i have concert dvds with seperate chapter for each song. i want to extract each chapter into a file - i have one song per file. i'm not trying to extract soundtrack from a movie... |
| 03:32.04 | cast | hooya: oh. yeah. that's easy :) |
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| 03:32.10 | liable | SeanTater: you should us chkfs for running the badblocks, as the man page suggests |
| 03:32.16 | cast | hooya: just specify the chapter with the dvd://whatever syntax |
| 03:32.21 | sid | How can I resize my main / partition so i can give 4 gigs of unpartitioned space? |
| 03:32.34 | hooya | cast: the 'whatever' part of the syntax is what i'm looking for ;) |
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| 03:33.04 | cast | mplayer [dvd|dvdnav]://[title|[start_title]-end_title] :> |
| 03:33.24 | cast | use trial and error to find the right title numbers, least that's what i do |
| 03:33.25 | necrosys | i need practice my english!!! ahhh!!! |
| 03:35.46 | lastnode | liable, cant see any bugs |
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| 03:37.01 | lastnode | liable, or is it this? - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391036 |
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| 03:40.20 | peteweez | 'night all. |
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| 03:41.28 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 03:41.34 | bintut | any zope3 users here> |
| 03:41.40 | liable | lastnode: ya, looks like thats the one |
| 03:41.51 | liable | lastnode: try removing those lines or wait i guess |
| 03:41.55 | bintut | how can i properly configure zope3, plone-2.5, postgresql-8.1 and apache2 on debian etch? actually, i already apt-get'ted those packages on my debian etch laptop but i can't find a howto configure it.. anybody can help me? i want to explore it and learn from it.. |
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| 03:42.51 | liable | lastnode: actually, they prolly did something a little smarter than just removing those ls.. |
| 03:43.17 | ponyofdeath | I heard somewhere that hyperthreading option doesnt really speed up anything and actually having option in slows stuff down. Should i disabled that? And what about the memory split if i have 3 GB of memory should i make lowmem 3GB and take high mem off? |
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| 03:44.19 | pipeline | ponyofdeath: If you have 3G of RAM, I wouldn't worry about anything. Disabling HT is a good idea. |
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| 03:44.55 | ponyofdeath | pipeline: so does it just slow stuff down do u have more info on it |
| 03:46.25 | pipeline | ponyofdeath: It usually hurts performance, and exposes you to a security hole. (Not a very dangerous security hole, but a hole nevertheless.) |
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| 03:55.16 | hooya | anyone know where i can get libdvdcss from? |
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| 03:57.09 | vook | I have five large files (600mb each). I wish to combine them without writing new data. These files are on an ext3 filesystem. How can I join these files so that I can address them as one? |
| 03:57.33 | liable | hooya: debian-multimedia.org or the docs in libdvdread |
| 03:57.47 | hooya | thanks liable |
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| 03:59.27 | lastnode | vook, well depnds on what the files are |
| 03:59.29 | lastnode | *depends |
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| 03:59.58 | vook | lastnode, it's iso9660 data, a future dvd image |
| 04:00.16 | lastnode | liable, what do i need to edit then, if you dont mind? |
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| 04:00.53 | eeyore- | vook: the only way to "address" them "as one" would be via pipe, even then it's not seekable. can't be done, to put it simply |
| 04:01.39 | liable | lastnode: /var/lib/dpkg/info/(whatever the script was that was failing) |
| 04:02.29 | lastnode | liable, it's postinst, and im looking at it now, but not sure where / what to edit |
| 04:03.14 | liable | lastnode: neither do i quite frankly :P |
| 04:04.07 | liable | i wish they would stop screwing with the firefox chrome dir |
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| 04:04.32 | tuv | gkrellmd takes now 40% cpu load after a recent upgrade. what can do this? i suspected libc6, but a downgrade didn't help |
| 04:05.13 | vook | eeyore-, regretfully, I believe you (so far). I'm not sure if ext3 has the capability I seek. |
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| 04:06.17 | eeyore- | vook: not sure *any* filesystem has the capability you seek :-) |
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| 04:06.29 | lastnode | liable, i really need a way to rm 2.5 and install 2.4 then, can you think of any other way? |
| 04:06.46 | eeyore- | vook: why can't you afford not to write new file? 600mb * 5 = 3GB ... |
| 04:06.52 | tuv | is xmms ok? it hasn't been able to work here for some time now |
| 04:07.10 | liable | lastnode: you really must do it today? |
| 04:07.22 | sid | hmm, openbsd's atheros chipset kernel drivers are 100% free/libre. But Linux's module isn't free, there is a binary only module. |
| 04:07.43 | lastnode | liable, yes, im switching over from ubuntu to etch, and i develop www.upstreamdev.org with python |
| 04:07.49 | liable | they also have a ipw3945 that doesnt have a daemon :( |
| 04:07.59 | vook | eeyore-, because there is a better way. There must be. Maybe just cdrecord file1+file2+file3 in dao mode. |
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| 04:08.02 | eeyore- | sid: i'd check the openbsd again. are you sure they're not addressing the HAL binary in some way? |
| 04:08.22 | tuv | sid, hal can't be opensource |
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| 04:08.36 | liable | lastnode: and apt-get wont let you remove it because of the script error? |
| 04:08.41 | tuv | sid, madwifi's hal that is |
| 04:08.47 | lastnode | liable, yes |
| 04:09.01 | sid | tuv: Why not? |
| 04:09.21 | liable | lastnode: did you try removing those lines the bug talked about? |
| 04:09.34 | liable | lastnode: make a copy of the script first.. |
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| 04:10.02 | tuv | sid, because it controls the operating frequencies, and FCC regulations doesn't allow the user to operate the device in an unlicensed frequency |
| 04:10.53 | sid | tuv: so? Is there some law against circumventing their crap? |
| 04:11.00 | pipeline | sid: Err, yes. |
| 04:11.03 | pipeline | sid: It's a felony. |
| 04:11.38 | eeyore- | sid: if you don't live in the USA i imagine you can do whatever you want to do ... |
| 04:11.59 | sid | Does the DMCA stop something like that? |
| 04:12.18 | sid | You aren't circumventing copyright protection schemes, you're replacing some software. |
| 04:12.24 | eeyore- | sid: are you in the USA? |
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| 04:15.37 | sid | eeyore-: yes |
| 04:16.47 | eeyore- | sid: then this discussion is over. the fcc has authority over certain portion of the radio spectrum. one word: felony. |
| 04:17.59 | hooya | cast, still can't figure out what tracks/titles/chapters are on this dvd to pass to mplayer... |
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| 04:19.25 | cast | "well send your [>18] sister over with the dvd and i'll work it out"...eh wait? oh. hmm. so you tried mplayer dvd://1 and 2 and 3..etc? |
| 04:19.58 | eeyore- | xine is a much better dvd player ... |
| 04:20.36 | hooya | eeyore-: sure. but i want to extract audio from a music DVD. xine or mplayer... ideas? |
| 04:21.03 | hooya | eeyore-: and i don't have GLX. so xine proper fails for me. |
| 04:21.37 | eeyore- | hooya: why not use dvd::rip perl frontend? |
| 04:22.00 | hooya | what package? |
| 04:22.15 | eeyore- | hooya: not sure about debian package name. try dvd-rip? |
| 04:23.01 | orchid | hooya: transcode -p |
| 04:23.45 | hooya | i need audio *only*. and these are concert/music DVDs so i'm hoping to get each track in its own file... |
| 04:24.03 | hooya | dvd::rip == dvdbackup? |
| 04:24.07 | tuv | it's dvdrip |
| 04:24.19 | tuv | but i don't think it works with audio dvd |
| 04:24.44 | liable | heh, i cant understand a script that *I* wrote a while ago :) |
| 04:24.46 | tuv | but anything playable by mplayer can be ripped by mplayer |
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| 04:24.53 | hooya | tuv: it's dvd that i can play in a dvd player. it's concert footage with each song in a seperate chapter. |
| 04:25.20 | tuv | hooya, does it have video or is it only audio, i.e. audio dvd? |
| 04:25.24 | hooya | tuv: can't find dvdrip. |
| 04:25.29 | hooya | tuv: video |
| 04:25.36 | tuv | hooya, probably in debian-multimedia.org |
| 04:25.55 | tuv | hooya, then you can play it and rip the audio using mplayer. what trouble did you have with mplayer? |
| 04:26.35 | hooya | tuv: can't seem to figure out the uri to use. dvd://? and is there a way to list the tracks/chapters/titles etc... |
| 04:26.54 | tuv | hooya, mplayer -identify -dvd-device ... |
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| 04:28.14 | liable | can i have two tests? like 'if; [ -a $FILE || $OTHERFILE ] ?? |
| 04:28.28 | tuv | liable, probably with [[ ]] |
| 04:28.43 | tuv | liable, and you may need another -a |
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| 04:28.54 | liable | so a nested test? |
| 04:29.14 | tuv | no, but -a can't take || |
| 04:29.35 | tuv | liable, it's nested in the sense that || handles two -a |
| 04:29.43 | liable | hrm, this is gonna be a pita either way :( |
| 04:30.11 | hooya | tuv: -identify seems to be what i was looking for. thanks. i was skimming the man pages but seem to have completely skipped the whole thing over.. |
| 04:30.30 | tuv | hooya, yeah.. it's a large man |
| 04:30.51 | hooya | tuv: yeah, needs to lose some weight. |
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| 04:31.05 | hooya | get it? "large man"? |
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| 04:31.51 | tuv | yeah.. a big fat man |
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| 04:45.15 | hooya | i have an external dvd player and it seems that after a certain period of inactivity, something goes to sleep so that mplayer can't read from /dev/dvd. if i do an eject /dev/dvd and then try again it works.. what's going on? |
| 04:45.23 | iNick | does debian offer binary compatability? running (for example) sun binaries under Linux, or BSD ELF binaries under Linux? even if it needs a module to load or something. |
| 04:45.54 | cb | anyone worked with curlftpfs? i´ve mounted an dir withit but with my normal user i only can see "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? idefix_bock" with ls -fl... when it´s not mounted i can see it normal like drwxr-xr-x .... idefix_bock |
| 04:46.52 | hooya | tuv: is mplayer encoding (or -dumpaudio'ing) at the same rate as it would play it back? |
| 04:46.55 | iNick | hooya: see the -msglevel paramater for a debug flag and try to get more info using that. |
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| 04:47.45 | tuv | hooya, use -ao pcm:fast:file=out.wav to dump audio as fast as possible |
| 04:47.47 | hooya | iNick: i think the device disappears (goes to sleep or something) it says: "Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd" |
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| 04:48.38 | iNick | hooya: since I'm not a Linux nor a windows user by normal standards...... does /dev/dvd symlink or link otherwise to another device? |
| 04:48.56 | hooya | tuv: what does that do? i mean, am i getting crappy audio if i do that ? sorry. not much of an expert on a/v matters... |
| 04:49.33 | hooya | iNick: /dev/dvd symlinks to the appropriate device. in my case it's /dev/scd0 (it's an external usb device) |
| 04:49.36 | tuv | hooya, it's an audio dump. you shouldn't loose any quality. uncompressed wav output |
| 04:50.02 | iNick | hooya: have you tried to play movies by using /dev/scd0 ? |
| 04:50.04 | hooya | tuv: good deal. thanks ... |
| 04:50.12 | hooya | iNick: yes. |
| 04:50.21 | iNick | ...and? |
| 04:50.26 | hooya | same thing |
| 04:50.28 | iNick | good or bad, or different results? |
| 04:50.34 | hooya | same results. |
| 04:50.50 | iNick | k, my next step would probably look through /var/log/messages |
| 04:51.18 | iNick | and see if the system (any part of it) drops or sleeps the usb devices (check the hotplugging system too) |
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| 04:51.51 | iNick | might make a diff where the drive's plugged into -- is it directly into a port on the computer, or is it on a hub? |
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| 04:52.45 | tuv | hooya, there is also -dumpaudio. honestly i don't know the difference if any |
| 04:52.50 | hooya | tuv: do i still need the -dumpaudio if i do -ao option you suggested above (i was using the -dumpfile option before) |
| 04:53.00 | tuv | hooya, no |
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| 04:53.52 | iNick | does debian offer binary compatability? running (for example) sun binaries under Linux, or BSD ELF binaries under Linux? even if it needs a module to load or something. |
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| 04:55.46 | hooya | holy shit! mplayer tells me my computer is too slow. it's a dual xeon! what more does it want? a beowulf cluster of crays? |
| 04:56.05 | marco13185 | iNick, most BSD apps are open source |
| 04:56.16 | marco13185 | and the vast majority of them are linux apps ported to BSD |
| 04:56.46 | iNick | marco13185, still not actually answering the question. a binary you download, can it run on a debian system? |
| 04:56.49 | zinx | iNick: it does not |
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| 04:57.00 | iNick | zinx: thank you. |
| 04:57.07 | zinx | iNick: You can run Linux binaries. |
| 04:57.24 | zinx | (as long as they're for the right arch, and, most of the time.. you may need extra libraries) |
| 04:57.42 | tenma | alguien habla español? |
| 04:57.49 | iNick | zinx: yes, all review for me. thank you! |
| 04:57.55 | marco13185 | I imagine that it's possible to code such compatibility |
| 04:58.02 | marco13185 | but it's not really worth it |
| 05:00.04 | iNick | marco: i know it's possible to run Linux binaries under BSD (I run BSD normally). But I can't find any information that says Linux can run ELF BSD binaries by default. thank you two for the answers though. |
| 05:00.40 | hooya | tuv: looks like i'm still not getting the tracks/chapters right. shucks... got the -identify output with tracks and chapters... not sure i am feeding that back to the dvd://<trackno> thing correctly.. |
| 05:00.56 | hooya | tuv: can i rip from a mounted dvd? |
| 05:01.09 | hooya | tuv: perhaps from the fils under video_ts? |
| 05:01.28 | tuv | hooya, you don't give the mount point to -dvd-device. you give the dvd device or the iso file |
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| 05:02.38 | hooya | tuv: yeah, i have dvd://<trackno>/<chapterno> put in a for loop after reading the track/chapter info from identify. but i'm not sure if the dvd://<trackno>/<chapterno> uri are working an i'm expecting them to... |
| 05:03.16 | tuv | hooya, what's your -dvd-device argument? |
| 05:03.29 | hooya | none. defaults to /dev/dvd |
| 05:03.42 | hooya | that part is working. i'm watching the video in ff |
| 05:04.02 | hooya | tuv: can i paste something somewhere? |
| 05:04.47 | tuv | hooya, sure |
| 05:04.53 | tuv | !tell hooya about paster |
| 05:05.57 | hooya | i think dpkg is slaking off |
| 05:05.57 | hooya | s/slaking/slacking/ |
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| 05:05.57 | hooya | oh. crap. it's me. didn't notice a new tab come up... |
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| 05:06.05 | b0on | anyone know of any VPS's that are open source for debian |
| 05:06.07 | b0on | ? |
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| 05:13.35 | hooya | tuv: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4596 |
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| 05:15.09 | tuv | hooya, does a simple mplayer command work without the fancy variables? |
| 05:15.18 | hooya | tuv: yes |
| 05:15.30 | tuv | hooya, and rips audio alright? |
| 05:16.06 | hooya | tuv: the command itself is working. and it rips the audio - so that's a progress. but not by track like i was hoping for... |
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| 05:16.35 | hooya | tuv: this is a music-video dvd that i can hit the ff button on the dvd remote and skip to the next song/music-video. |
| 05:17.10 | tuv | hooya, what do you mean by track? a video dvd has titles where dvd://1 plays title one and so on |
| 05:17.21 | hooya | tuv: chapter |
| 05:17.50 | tuv | hooya, in a video dvd audio tracks are different audio streams that can be played alternatively |
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| 05:18.36 | hooya | tuv: not sure i quite follow you. is it a long audio stream that when i hit ff, finds the offset within that audio stream or some such? |
| 05:18.46 | tuv | hooya, usually you skip to titles in video dvds. did you try different titles: dvd://1, dvd://2, ...etc |
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| 05:19.19 | hooya | tuv: yes. but it seems that the whole "content" part of the dvd plays at dvd://2 |
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| 05:19.40 | hooya | i was hoping for dvd://2/1 dvd://2/2 etc.. |
| 05:20.01 | tuv | hooya, i don't think mplayer recognizes chapters |
| 05:20.06 | amphi | hooya: -chapter n perhaps |
| 05:20.19 | lastnode | can someone help me remove python2.5-minimal? it wont let me remove it, and i cant install anything python related because it's broken |
| 05:20.21 | amphi | tuv: it does |
| 05:20.35 | hooya | amphi: thanks.. |
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| 05:22.07 | hooya | can i get mplayer to quit after spitting out the track/chapter info with -identify? and not continue playing the dvd? |
| 05:22.19 | amphi | hooya: you're using -dumpaudio ? |
| 05:22.33 | tuv | hooya, -frames 0 |
| 05:22.56 | hooya | tuv: thanks. |
| 05:23.01 | hooya | amphi: yeah |
| 05:23.35 | hooya | i think i now have a generic music-video dvd ripper upper script.. |
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| 05:27.21 | liable | can i make a multiple line sed command into a variable in a script? i seem to remember doing this before and not having much luck.. |
| 05:27.46 | hooya | i think so. |
| 05:27.56 | hooya | example? |
| 05:28.14 | liable | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:XiL7ZaghPRcJ:liable.mine.nu/debian/keys.txt+site:liable.mine.nu&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=12 |
| 05:28.32 | liable | thats google cache of it as my server is in transit atm.. |
| 05:29.11 | liable | i want to make the sed bit into a variable, as its a pita to change the script all the time when they change firefox |
| 05:30.08 | hooya | well, for one, if you have \ at the end of the line when defining a variable, it shouldn't matter. |
| 05:30.57 | liable | ya, i was just thinking to put it all in quotes |
| 05:31.03 | hooya | when the variable is expanded, it should all come out on one line... |
| 05:31.25 | liable | okie, i'll try again, though i am sure i tried this before |
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| 05:38.04 | rudenstam | do I need to compile my own kernel to get the build dir here /lib/<version>/build ? |
| 05:38.14 | rudenstam | (need to compile some module) |
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| 05:38.57 | madman215 | hello |
| 05:38.57 | liable | rudenstam: kernel-headers |
| 05:39.11 | liable | rudenstam: for your running kernel |
| 05:39.42 | rudenstam | I got the stock kernel.. 2.6.17-2 (came with etch installer) |
| 05:41.00 | liable | rudenstam: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 05:42.08 | rudenstam | hmm.. already latest version |
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| 05:42.43 | hooya | amphi, tuv: is it possible to get mplayer to do multiple threads on -ao pcm:fast so that it'll go faster? |
| 05:43.10 | amphi | hooya: not that I'm aware of |
| 05:43.10 | liable | rudenstam: then you should have that build dir, linking to the headers in /usr/src |
| 05:43.27 | tuv | hooya, i don't think threads can work here. audio has to be dumped sequentially to the file |
| 05:43.28 | rudenstam | liable: okey |
| 05:43.36 | rudenstam | thnx |
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| 05:43.51 | gloin | hi all |
| 05:43.53 | hooya | tuv: makes sense. |
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| 05:44.31 | hooya | tuv: unless css descrambling goes to one thread while another encodes/decodes ac3 to wav.. if that makes sense... |
| 05:44.59 | tuv | hooya, that could very well be the case already |
| 05:45.40 | rudenstam | liable: my /usr/src is somewhat empty |
| 05:45.41 | hooya | tuv: well, one of my CPUs is 100% used while another is idle. which is nice. i don't notice any lag on X ;) |
| 05:45.50 | hooya | so i guess that's ok. |
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| 05:46.11 | grizzly | !etch |
| 05:46.11 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 05:46.28 | tuv | hooya, usually in demp operations the bottleneck is the disk/dvd |
| 05:46.56 | gloin | I'm having the same problem as is reported in 389695, and have tried setting the no background option to no avail |
| 05:47.04 | gloin | can anyone help me get the damn package off my system? |
| 05:47.52 | gloin | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389695 |
| 05:47.55 | gloin | for reference |
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| 05:48.17 | liable | rudenstam: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:48.22 | hooya | tuv: true. but while ripping CDs, i can usually have one ripper keeping 2 to 3 encoders busy. CD -> flac mostly. |
| 05:48.26 | grizzly | !sarge |
| 05:48.26 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
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| 05:48.40 | gloin | !imapproxy |
| 05:48.45 | hooya | but since it's wav here.. |
| 05:48.55 | hooya | now need to flac it... |
| 05:49.13 | rudenstam | liable: ahh.. there they are.. thnx again |
| 05:49.21 | liable | np |
| 05:49.27 | rudenstam | my bad.. was searching for linux-kernel-headers |
| 05:49.37 | tuv | hooya, CD -> flac involves heavy cpu usage for flac encoding |
| 05:49.49 | hooya | right. |
| 05:52.05 | liable | someone tell me wtf i am getting EOF errors with this? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4597 |
| 05:53.02 | hooya | tuv: thanks for your help in figuring this out. really appriciate it. |
| 05:53.09 | tuv | hooya, yw |
| 05:53.28 | hooya | going out to get me some cigaretts. back in a while... |
| 05:54.02 | hooya | yeah, "thunderstruck" baby! |
| 05:54.09 | grizzly | is sarge too old too start with debian or etch too betai'sh? |
| 05:54.13 | gloin | ahh, I'm in the wrong #debian aren't i |
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| 05:54.30 | lastnode | would someone running etch or sid like to test http://www.upstreamdev.org for me? it's GPLed python |
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| 05:58.07 | liable | lastnode: what did you so to get your python fixed? |
| 05:58.46 | lastnode | liable, it isn't fixed, but i found that 2.4 is pulled in by gnome-core |
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| 06:51.00 | shadowarts | im trying to reinstall a system remotely by making the swap partition into a new ext3 parition and installing everything there, etc and im am just testing it right now on one of my systems |
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| 06:51.37 | shadowarts | everything seems to go fine until i changed the 'borrowed' partition back to a swap partition |
| 06:51.43 | shadowarts | it totally broke my install |
| 06:51.54 | shadowarts | and trying to turn the swap on said the device was busy |
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| 06:51.56 | shadowarts | any ideas? |
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| 06:52.09 | pstickne | you don't *need* swap to run |
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| 06:52.16 | shadowarts | i know |
| 06:52.18 | liable | whats using the partition? |
| 06:52.22 | pstickne | if it says device is busy it's likely already mounter |
| 06:52.26 | pstickne | *mounted |
| 06:52.33 | shadowarts | i checked and it wasnt |
| 06:52.37 | shadowarts | thats the weird thing |
| 06:52.54 | liable | lsof and fuser both say so? |
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| 06:53.04 | shadowarts | well i cant check now |
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| 06:53.22 | shadowarts | but i dont see how it could have been in use, this was right after a reboot |
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| 06:53.41 | madman215 | i have a really strange networking problem, i have a wireless card that i have connected to my network, and i have an ip from dhclient, but it dosent have a gateway |
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| 06:54.02 | murosai | how can i disable ipv6 support in debian? i got some weird dns problems and i think it's because of ipv6. |
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| 06:54.50 | liable | hosts file iirc |
| 06:55.43 | pstickne | murosai, why do you say that? |
| 06:56.31 | liable | i vaguely recall having a similar problem with my router, ethereal showed it doing ipv6 lookups iirc |
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| 06:56.47 | liable | just took ages for dns lookups |
| 06:57.23 | |ryan| | shadowarts: why are you trying te reinstall remotely? |
| 06:57.41 | madman215 | i have a really strange networking problem, i have a wireless card that i have connected to my network, and i have an ip from dhclient, but it dosent have a gateway |
| 06:57.49 | madman215 | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 06:58.05 | shadowarts | |ryan|, i cant get physical access to the system in any resonablle amount of time and there are some issues with it |
| 06:58.06 | |ryan| | ip route add default via [gateway ip] |
| 06:58.16 | |ryan| | shadowarts: is it working? |
| 06:58.17 | shadowarts | ie possible backdoors (i found at least one) |
| 06:58.37 | |ryan| | shadowarts: and will people besides you be upset if it stops working? |
| 06:58.45 | shadowarts | it works, but we had a theft of passwords and stuff |
| 06:58.57 | murosai | pstickne: i have read some posts, i don't have any problems with my windows box... |
| 06:59.05 | shadowarts | |ryan|, yes but they will probably be more upset if the system is comprimised again |
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| 06:59.36 | murosai | liable: yeah same thing, so what did you do? |
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| 06:59.43 | |ryan| | you realize that it could still be compromised after a remote reinstall like that? |
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| 06:59.47 | shadowarts | but they would be understanding if it went down to clear off backdoors/root kits |
| 07:00.20 | liable | murosai: i think it was in hosts file (/etc/hosts) |
| 07:00.25 | |ryan| | do you know how it was broken into? |
| 07:00.32 | shadowarts | |ryan|, it would be pretty unlikely, i know who compromised it and i know for a fact they are gone |
| 07:00.51 | |ryan| | How do you know they're gone? |
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| 07:01.18 | liable | murosai: try commenting the ipv6 lines in that file |
| 07:01.54 | shadowarts | someone i personally know and they are currentlly on vacation |
| 07:02.19 | madman215 | ryan: it says ip command not found |
| 07:02.22 | murosai | ok i'll give it a shot |
| 07:02.32 | shadowarts | ive checked alll my binaries against the debian ones and combed through my config files, as far as i can tell it is clean |
| 07:02.35 | shadowarts | but i want to be sue |
| 07:02.38 | shadowarts | *sure |
| 07:02.38 | hooya | there was this command to make all .wav files of equal volume. does anyone remember what it is? |
| 07:02.40 | |ryan| | madman215: route add default gw [gateway ip] |
| 07:02.53 | |ryan| | shadowarts: Are you going to call law enforcement on them? |
| 07:03.07 | shadowarts | we might |
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| 07:03.13 | liable | |ryan|: forgot the iface :) |
| 07:03.17 | madman215 | ryan: since im setting up the wireless, not the eth0 sould i replace default with wlan0? |
| 07:03.28 | |ryan| | liable: no i didn't |
| 07:03.33 | hooya | shadowarts: how did you check your binaries? |
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| 07:03.46 | shadowarts | but there isnt much evidence that stilll exists |
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| 07:04.05 | shadowarts | hooya, md5sum by hand and using debsums |
| 07:04.20 | madman215 | ryan: since im setting up the wireless, not the eth0 sould i replace default with wlan0? |
| 07:04.21 | amphi | hooya: can sox do that? otherwise apt-cache search normalize I guess |
| 07:04.40 | murosai | hm |
| 07:04.44 | hooya | amphi: normalize it was. i just found it too... thanks :) |
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| 07:05.01 | murosai | where can i edit all the modules that are loaded on start up? |
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| 07:05.46 | liable | murosai: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 07:06.06 | hooya | shadowarts: chances are, if it was rootkit of some sort, it overwrote syscalls so that open("infectedfile") would open the non-infected version etc... so when md5sum and debsums go to check it, it might just be checking the illusion.. |
| 07:06.36 | hooya | best to boot from a busybox type cd/floppy/usb and then do what you did. |
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| 07:06.58 | hooya | shadowarts: see tripwire |
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| 07:08.24 | murosai | liable: but i want to prevent the modules load by kernel |
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| 07:11.10 | liable | murosai: yes, thats why i told you what i did |
| 07:12.08 | murosai | are you sure that prevents the loading of ipv6 module? |
| 07:12.30 | SerajewelKS | why would you not want ipv6 |
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| 07:13.31 | jnguy[w] | Is there any way to figure out which processes is using a specific kernel module? |
| 07:13.51 | murosai | it messes up my dns resolving |
| 07:13.58 | SerajewelKS | jnguy[w]: lsof on the /dev node |
| 07:14.03 | jnguy[w] | er. |
| 07:14.09 | jnguy[w] | anyone know which dev alsa goes to? |
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| 07:14.22 | jnguy[w] | I'm so used to /dev/dsp |
| 07:14.24 | SerajewelKS | jnguy[w]: one of the /dev/snd/* ones |
| 07:14.25 | jnguy[w] | and mixer. |
| 07:14.31 | jnguy[w] | thanks SerajewelKS! |
| 07:14.43 | odla | how do i set my time if i'm using e17? is it ntpdate or something? |
| 07:14.49 | SerajewelKS | murosai: in all apps, or just the braindead ones? |
| 07:15.04 | odla | !ntpdate |
| 07:15.05 | dpkg | somebody said ntpdate was a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 07:15.11 | amphi | odla: wm is irrelevant |
| 07:15.16 | odla | yeah i know |
| 07:15.29 | odla | i just meant i'm not using kde or gnome so i can't click on the clock and change it |
| 07:15.30 | murosai | SerajewelKS: all |
| 07:15.34 | SerajewelKS | odla: man date |
| 07:15.36 | vook | is it possible or likely that executing the command 'cat file1 file2 file3 > allfiles' would result in a corrupt 'allfiles' (file[1-3] are binary, iso9660 dvd part chunks). ?? |
| 07:15.43 | murosai | SerajewelKS: even dig address takes like 20seconds |
| 07:16.07 | SerajewelKS | murosai: how will disabling the ipv6 module help? |
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| 07:16.22 | jnguy[w] | SerajewelKS: Much thanks. Seems to have solved everything I was looking for. |
| 07:16.28 | SerajewelKS | jnguy[w]: np |
| 07:16.56 | murosai | SerajewelKS: i have read some posts. i don't have any problem with windows with the same router |
| 07:17.01 | SerajewelKS | murosai: what does a packet sniffer show when you dig something? |
| 07:17.07 | murosai | and liable had the some problem |
| 07:17.33 | murosai | dunno |
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| 07:17.51 | vook | eh, nevermind. I mounted the image and it appears to be okay. :) |
| 07:17.54 | SerajewelKS | murosai: does the router not understand what an AAAA query is? |
| 07:18.27 | SerajewelKS | vook: ya, on *nix there is no difference between a "binary" and a "text" file (where there is on windows) |
| 07:18.53 | murosai | i don't know, but could be something like that because i didn't have any problems with my previous router |
| 07:19.32 | SerajewelKS | murosai: FWIW IPv6 should be irrelevant here, as dig does A queries by default |
| 07:19.42 | vook | SerajewelKS, whew, I must've been having flashbacks of the windows type command. |
| 07:19.42 | SerajewelKS | murosai: i kind of want to explore this a bit... |
| 07:19.56 | SerajewelKS | vook: yes, i would not expect type to do anything sane =) |
| 07:20.10 | liable | murosai: ethereal will prolly show it waiting on ipv6 requests, install and run it |
| 07:20.30 | liable | murosai: linksys router btw? |
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| 07:20.46 | murosai | nope a-link |
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| 07:21.13 | SerajewelKS | i can't imagine what the router could be doing that would fuck DNS when IPv6 is enabled |
| 07:21.44 | SerajewelKS | i though the libc/whatever resolution functions didn't even try AAAA unless the system had a globally scoped address anyway... |
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| 07:22.21 | murosai | i'll try to do some packet sniffing |
| 07:22.46 | SerajewelKS | you're not being assigned a global IPv6 address i hope |
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| 07:23.38 | SerajewelKS | if you are then this router is more fucked up than it already seems to be |
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| 07:23.55 | odla | wow i'm getting a handful of errors associated with my font cache |
| 07:24.00 | odla | it won't let me install openoffice.org |
| 07:24.10 | pstickne | odla, what kind of errors? |
| 07:24.58 | madman215 | why is there no dhcp client listing for my computer on my router? |
| 07:25.26 | odla | http://pastebin.ca/258215 |
| 07:25.30 | SerajewelKS | madman215: because routers are usually dhcp servers, not clients (at least on the lan side) |
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| 07:25.59 | SerajewelKS | madman215: oh listing... saw listening, whoops |
| 07:26.12 | SerajewelKS | madman215: no clue, does the router run debian? |
| 07:26.22 | madman215 | SerajewelKS, haha, no, but my computer does |
| 07:26.43 | liable | madman215: try dhcp3client or pump, the plain old dhclient can suck sometimes |
| 07:26.44 | SerajewelKS | madman215: i'm not sure why we'd know about your router then |
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| 07:29.09 | spyro_boy | hi |
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| 07:29.29 | odla | any ideas how i can fix my font cache? |
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| 07:30.00 | pstickne | odla, as you running as root? |
| 07:30.13 | SerajewelKS | !any idea |
| 07:30.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 07:30.14 | spyro_boy | I'm not so familiar with apt-get so I was wondering, when running apt-get upgrade, if there was a program I don't want to upgrade, is there a way to make sure it doesn't try to upgrade it? |
| 07:30.26 | SerajewelKS | !hold |
| 07:30.27 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 07:30.30 | SerajewelKS | spyro_boy: ^^^ |
| 07:30.32 | odla | pstickne: i'm running that command as root |
| 07:30.37 | odla | SerajewelKS: i pastebin my error |
| 07:30.43 | spyro_boy | thanks |
| 07:31.02 | hooya | amphi: what can i use to fill in metatags to flacs? |
| 07:31.51 | SerajewelKS | metatags? |
| 07:32.07 | SerajewelKS | don't you mean tags? |
| 07:32.13 | amphi | hooya: no idea ;) |
| 07:32.28 | hooya | the id3 or some such thing for mp3.. |
| 07:32.36 | madman215 | liable, would you be willing to hardcore help me with this, this is something i have been working on for about 24 stright hours now, and im fresh out of ideas |
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| 07:33.07 | SerajewelKS | hooya: that'd be the tags yes. a "metatag" is a "tag about a tag". |
| 07:33.31 | SerajewelKS | hooya: any decent player should be able to tag, or did you want a tagging app? |
| 07:33.37 | liable | madman215: eh, just try installing one of the other clients and then getting a new lease and see what happens. your not getting dhcp leases is right? |
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| 07:33.50 | SerajewelKS | madman215: have you set the dhcp client id? |
| 07:33.52 | hooya | SerajewelKS: i need a command line based tool to use with awk |
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| 07:34.35 | SerajewelKS | hooya: `apt-cache search flac tag` gives quite a bit of stuff, maybe one of them? |
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| 07:35.27 | miziike | hey guys. i need some help :P i been reading for about 2 hours how to get my mouse on my laptop to get picked up, and nothing =\ |
| 07:35.51 | miziike | anyone game? |
| 07:36.24 | streuner | miziike: cat /proc/version |
| 07:36.39 | miziike | k hold on a sec |
| 07:36.49 | hooya | SerajewelKS: lltag seems to be what i'm looking for... hopefully. |
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| 07:38.08 | hooya | miziike: to pick up the mouse, get the #lisp people to send the kitten your way (sorry, couldn't resist. there was a discussion earlier on #lisp about kitty death) |
| 07:38.31 | spyro_boy | how do I unhold a package? |
| 07:38.41 | streuner | apt-get install package |
| 07:38.59 | spyro_boy | what if I was upgrading it? |
| 07:39.04 | spyro_boy | same deal? |
| 07:39.13 | spyro_boy | It automatically unholds it? |
| 07:39.19 | liable | no |
| 07:39.38 | spyro_boy | ... |
| 07:39.39 | liable | you need to tell apt to install it |
| 07:39.51 | spyro_boy | oh |
| 07:40.02 | spyro_boy | okay |
| 07:40.05 | spyro_boy | thanks |
| 07:40.12 | liable | if it upgraded it when doin an upgrade, it kinda defeats the point of holding it :) |
| 07:40.43 | miziike | streuner: 2.4.27-3-386 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) gcc 3.3.5 debian:1:3.3.5-13 |
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| 07:41.12 | streuner | miziike: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 07:41.35 | miziike | the glider mouse on the hp ze1230 laptop :P |
| 07:41.48 | sid_ | What is grub error 23? |
| 07:42.07 | streuner | miziike: try 'mdetect' |
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| 07:42.22 | miziike | command not found |
| 07:42.25 | sid_ | I formatted my machine with Windows XP, it messed my MBR, so I popped in a knoppix disc, mount /dev/hda1(debian) to /tmp; cd /tmp; chroot /tmp; grub-install; update-grub; |
| 07:42.34 | streuner | miziike: apt-get install mdetect |
| 07:42.46 | sid_ | But now when grub loads and I click on the debian kernel, grub tells me error 23, Error while parsing number. |
| 07:42.59 | miziike | gimme a min. have to run a line |
| 07:42.59 | liable | gah, sed and bash are making my head explode |
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| 07:44.37 | jair | anyone here have good experience with thunderbird and email server postfix running on debian? for some reason I am using TLS for smtp and courierpop3 ssl port 995 for incoming, but I continuosly have problem time outs etc.. when i am trying to get new email I wonder what is missing on my configuration |
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| 07:48.58 | onetinsoldier | hello, is there a command that will display all devices available for use by the 'mount' command? |
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| 07:50.08 | pstickne | cat /proc/partitions helps me |
| 07:50.14 | miziike | streuner: /dev/psaux intellimouse |
| 07:50.50 | streuner | miziike: sounds like a PS/2 optical mouse then |
| 07:50.51 | onetinsoldier | pstickne: ok.. thanks! i'll give that a try.. but will it show the cdrom device? |
| 07:51.07 | liable | some smart bash person explain to me wtf this is happening.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/4599 |
| 07:51.19 | miziike | its the mouse on the laptop that came with it =\ |
| 07:51.25 | onetinsoldier | doesn't look as if it does |
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| 07:52.11 | unlink | for some reason all of my CD-R burns stop after about 15 MB and report "no error" |
| 07:52.12 | liable | miziike: try /dev/psaux and ps2 protocol |
| 07:52.16 | streuner | miziike: 'psmouse' is loaded? |
| 07:52.25 | unlink | wodim on debian-unstable |
| 07:53.33 | miziike | how do i load psmouse.. im a rookie :\ and /dev/psaux is denied on root |
| 07:53.58 | streuner | miziike: lsmod | grep -i psmouse |
| 07:54.01 | liable | !tell miziike about drxx |
| 07:55.02 | miziike | steuner: done |
| 07:55.23 | streuner | miziike: so 'psmouse' is loaded or NOT? |
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| 07:55.51 | miziike | i typed that command. =\ |
| 07:56.03 | liable | lol |
| 07:56.04 | miziike | i dunno if its loaded or not. im a rook trying to learn lol sry |
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| 07:56.26 | streuner | knusper:/usr/bin# lsmod | grep -i psmouse |
| 07:56.26 | streuner | psmouse 34888 0 |
| 07:56.43 | miziike | neg. it echo'd nada |
| 07:56.54 | streuner | run 'modprobe psmouse' as root |
| 07:56.57 | Jadedwolf | Howdy, I'm going to doing a netinstall of debian, will it allow me to run latest x.org/nvidia drivers? I'm trying to build a machine to replace my windows box. I'm gonna run cedega(already subscribed) and was wondering if there is anything I should or should not do on install. |
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| 07:58.05 | murosai | SerajewelKS: i disabled ipv6 in my other box and now it works much faster but still a bit slow, when i try to dig 'something' i get reply from unexpected source: 10.0.0.2#2048, expected 10.0.0.2#53 |
| 07:58.10 | onetinsoldier | someone is having trouble mounting thier cdrom. what kernel modules need to be loaded for access to cdrom device? |
| 07:58.16 | onetinsoldier | they're using sarge |
| 07:58.33 | onetinsoldier | and a 2.4 kernel |
| 07:58.39 | miziike | cant locate module psmouse |
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| 08:00.34 | teledyn | Jadedwolf: debian etch does use xorg and you can get either the free nv driver which doesn't support accel or the non-free nvidia driver using module-assistant |
| 08:00.54 | teledyn | i don't know what cedega is |
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| 08:03.09 | liable | but.. when i dont have the backticks, it whines about -e not known command, for both the sed and echo cmds |
| 08:03.15 | liable | doh |
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| 08:05.32 | miziike | any ideas? |
| 08:05.38 | miziike | on the mouse |
| 08:05.59 | liable | innit mousedev that you prolly want? |
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| 08:08.23 | miziike | ok |
| 08:08.27 | miziike | i fixed the problem |
| 08:08.46 | miziike | i reconfigured xserv to psaux |
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| 08:09.12 | Reality-X | sup ppl |
| 08:10.21 | Reality-X | whats the command to have a service start at boot time, IE in gentoo its rc-update add <service> default |
| 08:10.38 | liable | !services |
| 08:10.38 | dpkg | somebody said services was to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 08:11.08 | Reality-X | thx |
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| 08:13.17 | mlewis00 | Does anyone know where I can get the Linux driver slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz for a Smart Link 56K voice modem? It seems that smlink.com has stopped providing the driver since the aquisition of Smart Link by Conexant...Thanks in advance! |
| 08:13.50 | liable | mlewis00: linmodems.org, sl-modem-daemon is in debian repos |
| 08:15.06 | valdyn | mlewis00: the daemon is in debian, the modem is probably supported by alsa |
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| 08:17.16 | mlewis00 | liable: valdyn : Are you saying that it is built into Debian already? If so what version (I have Sarge)? Thanks! |
| 08:17.34 | valdyn | !info sl-modem-daemon sarge |
| 08:17.41 | dpkg | sl-modem-daemon: (SmartLink software modem daemon), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 2.9.9a-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 402 kB, Installed size: 932 kB |
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| 08:18.16 | mlewis00 | valdyn: Thanks, I'll check that out... |
| 08:18.44 | valdyn | mlewis00: that modem is just a sound device, needs a sound driver, alsa supports a few of those |
| 08:18.57 | liable | mlewis00: the linmodems.org people have a good mailing list |
| 08:18.58 | fallingdutch | where can i find informations on how to write the copyright-file for a package? (the packages consists of more then one source-code and they have different copyrights so do i have to split them or is there a way to bundle them in one copyright file?) |
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| 08:19.07 | valdyn | mlewis00: sl-modem-daemon supports both, oss and alsa |
| 08:19.13 | Techdeck` | hey guys |
| 08:19.27 | Techdeck` | I have an HP tape device (scsi), and I was wondering what tool do I need to use in order to actually use that tape drive? |
| 08:19.30 | mlewis00 | valdyn: Mine is a PCI data, fax, voice modem also... |
| 08:19.38 | Techdeck` | anyone with any experience with that? |
| 08:19.45 | valdyn | mlewis00: not really, its a sound device, and a cheap one at that |
| 08:19.55 | valdyn | mlewis00: features are all done in software by that daemon |
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| 08:20.34 | mlewis00 | valdyn: That daemon also handles the data and fax capabilities? |
| 08:20.49 | valdyn | mlewis00: if it really was a true modem it would show as serial interface and wouldnt need a driver at all |
| 08:20.58 | valdyn | mlewis00: yea sure |
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| 08:21.55 | mlewis00 | valdyn: Hmmm, now I'm confused...it shows as com4 in Windows... |
| 08:22.24 | Techdeck` | anyone? |
| 08:22.24 | liable | ignore whatever windows says |
| 08:22.44 | valdyn | mlewis00: yea sure, look, in linux sl-modem-daemon will create a serial interface in software for that modem, in windows that is done by an equivalent windows software |
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| 08:23.35 | valdyn | mlewis00: we're assuming its a fake modem by your info, if it was a real modem you'd already have a /dev/ttySX for it |
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| 08:25.18 | valdyn | mlewis00: /dev/ttySL0 is handled by sl-modem-daemon, that would be like a windows com4 done in software |
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| 08:28.20 | mlewis00 | valdyn: So I just download the package in Windows, put it on a floppy or FAT32 drive and do a dpkg -i and it should work or will I also need ppp or something similar installed and configured? I'm a little rusty on these things since I no longer have high speed and haven't been using Debian because of the lack of internet connectivity... |
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| 08:28.51 | valdyn | mlewis00: you need ppp to do ppp |
| 08:29.16 | cast | mlewis00: check the pkg dependancies too.. |
| 08:29.42 | valdyn | mlewis00: i'd get that full first debian cd, its all on it |
| 08:30.02 | liable | i have found wvdial handy irt winmodems |
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| 08:31.20 | mlewis00 | valdyn: Thanks, I already have the first CD of Sarge burned so I'll check it out as soon as I get a replacement CD ROM drive (the old one got broke)... |
| 08:32.36 | mlewis00 | cast: Thanks, I'll have to do all of that in Windows until I get the modem confighured in Debian so that suggestion will save me a couple of reboots :) |
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| 08:33.12 | Kevin` | mlewis00 modem? hopefully not a dialup modem |
| 08:33.54 | Kevin` | it's an unfortunate thing that almost every modem that ships with a pc these days is a software modem |
| 08:34.03 | mlewis00 | Kevin`: Yes...don't have HS any more after I've moved :( |
| 08:34.08 | Kevin` | since they have crap performance, and need drivers :/ |
| 08:34.08 | cast | mlewis00: there is a tool for doing it..called apt-zip, i've never used it though |
| 08:34.10 | liable | mlewis00: really, ask the linmodems list.. |
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| 08:34.56 | mlewis00 | cast: Me neither but I'll check that out...thanks... |
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| 08:35.43 | mlewis00 | liable: Maybe I'll check that out too if I get into a problem that I need some more help on...thanks... |
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| 08:36.56 | mlewis00 | :-~ |
| 08:37.03 | mlewis00 | Hmm... |
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| 08:38.05 | yunhual | which Tex uitility is best on debian ? |
| 08:38.05 | mlewis00 | Kevin`: How did you do that last smiley? I'm using Chatzilla and it comes out with wavy lips... |
| 08:38.33 | valdyn | :/ |
| 08:38.34 | Kevin` | : / ? |
| 08:38.46 | mlewis00 | :/ |
| 08:38.57 | liable | colon dash tilde? |
| 08:38.58 | mlewis00 | Kevin`: Yep...thanks |
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| 08:39.23 | mlewis00 | looks kind of neat in Chatzilla :) |
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| 08:40.35 | liable | i am tardified today.. |
| 08:42.12 | mlewis00 | Well, thanks for the help and suggestions valdyn, liable, Kevin`, cast...I'm off to bed now and I'll try some of your suggestions in the morning :-) |
| 08:42.39 | Kevin` | hmm I didn't suggest anythign |
| 08:42.47 | Kevin` | except subliminally to buy a real modem, perhaps |
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| 08:43.20 | mlewis00 | Kevin`: Really, I'm used to the hard jumpered modems from the old days... |
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| 08:44.25 | Kevin` | the hard jumpered modems would probably work |
| 08:44.32 | mlewis00 | But haven't used one since NT 4.0 was the current MS server OS... |
| 08:44.39 | Kevin` | that was before the days of software modems I believe |
| 08:45.02 | mlewis00 | I have one but it is ISA and I only have PCI slots :( |
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| 08:46.14 | mlewis00 | Well, good night anyway ... |
| 08:46.42 | dargor__ | i just put a ata hdd in my machine and installed debian on it, i decided to continue using the grub from my kubuntu install on my sata hdd, what should the root variable be for my ata hdd if my sata hdd is (hd0,*), its not (hd1,*) |
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| 08:48.18 | liable | dargor__: your sata is prolly sd0 and ata hd0 |
| 08:48.33 | dargor__ | ok |
| 08:48.42 | dargor__ | i dont think it is |
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| 08:49.44 | dargor__ | it is indeed not |
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| 08:50.13 | dargor__ | could that be because i installed kubuntu without that ata hdd |
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| 08:51.03 | onetinsoldier | i have a message on boot that is something like the following... FATAL: module ide-detect not found ...have i left something out of my kernel? i don't seem to be having any problems i'm aware of though |
| 08:52.29 | dargor__ | shouldnt ide be included not as a module |
| 08:52.32 | onetinsoldier | ide-detect is in my /etc/modules file.... |
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| 08:52.46 | onetinsoldier | so take it out? i'm running a 2.16.8.3 kernel |
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| 08:53.58 | dargor__ | not it should be in the kernel propperly(ish) not as a module, because a module has to be able to read the hdd, it needs ide-stuff to read it |
| 08:54.25 | onetinsoldier | dargor__: ok, thanks |
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| 09:11.08 | valdyn | !find ide_detect.o |
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| 09:16.39 | hooya | what was that kde multimedia player kinda like JuK is for gnome... |
| 09:17.48 | rxkaffee | dunno about JuK... gmplayer perhaps? |
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| 09:18.03 | valdyn | hooya: totem maybe |
| 09:18.33 | hooya | no. i use it everyday at the office. just can't remember what the hell the name is... |
| 09:18.40 | hooya | :( |
| 09:18.42 | valdyn | hooya: or rhythmbox |
| 09:18.58 | valdyn | hooya: there's nothing else _in_ gnome, a few more are there _for_ gnome |
| 09:19.39 | hooya | rhythmbox is gtk/gnome based right? this is kde based.. does context menus, cover arts, lyrics etc.. |
| 09:19.57 | valdyn | hooya: JuK is for kde |
| 09:20.44 | hooya | more sophisticated than JuK. |
| 09:20.49 | rxkaffee | lol |
| 09:21.00 | hooya | crap. can't remember... |
| 09:21.11 | valdyn | hooya: juk claims to be similar to itunes, that is rhythmbox ( in gnome ), banshee ( for gnome ) , quodlibet ( for gnome ) |
| 09:21.47 | pstickne | I use both KDE and Gnome subsystems... or rather, gnome subsystems under KDE. |
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| 09:23.30 | hooya | me too. but this is a KDE app and at one point did auto rating of songs based on how frequently you played it. and you would start out by a couple of things in your play list and it would continue building your playlist as it played the songs.. so you never had to hunt for songs... |
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| 09:25.50 | xingu | I can't concieve of anything more likely to get on my tits than something which increases the probability of a recently played tune getting played again |
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| 09:26.01 | GoorE | is there an option in sshd to ban an IP after 10 unsuccessful login attempts? |
| 09:26.21 | xingu | in a nutshell, that's pretty much the reason why I gave the proverbial finger to heavily playlisted commercial radio and its sponsors in the 90's |
| 09:26.42 | valdyn | GoorE: apt-cache search shs ban |
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| 09:26.52 | valdyn | GoorE: apt-cache search ssh ban |
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| 09:27.04 | hooya | xingu: i think the idea was to find songs that went together - not necessarily 'recently played'. |
| 09:28.07 | xingu | hooya: for that, you want pandora.com-esque metadata |
| 09:28.17 | GooE | valdyn: huh? |
| 09:28.34 | rxkaffee | GooE: type what he told you |
| 09:28.36 | hooya | yeah, a friend of mine was recommending me that.. |
| 09:28.38 | liable | fail2ban or google iptables recent module |
| 09:28.48 | GooE | rxkaffee: that gives me a backup program |
| 09:29.08 | rxkaffee | GooE: bummer, perhaps a variation upon what he provided will give more fruit |
| 09:29.10 | valdyn | !info fail2ban sarge |
| 09:29.15 | hooya | xingu: with some device - the name escapes me right now... |
| 09:29.19 | valdyn | rxkaffee: it does find fail2ban |
| 09:29.21 | liable | not in sarge iirc |
| 09:29.32 | valdyn | rxkaffee: but if its not in sarge..... |
| 09:29.36 | hooya | xingu: i have sonos already tho... |
| 09:30.28 | hooya | xingu: amarok |
| 09:30.35 | hooya | that's what i was looking for. |
| 09:30.46 | dutchfish | valdyn, apt-cache show apm |
| 09:31.01 | valdyn | dutchfish: eh? |
| 09:31.16 | xingu | hooya: yep, a bit of drywall never hurt anything |
| 09:31.28 | hooya | xingu: eh? |
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| 09:31.36 | xingu | hooya: www.amorok.com |
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| 09:31.58 | teledyn | is there a way to disable ipv6 for an interface, or for all? |
| 09:32.01 | dutchfish | valdyn, oops, apm is not in sources but i use it for the same purpose as you asked |
| 09:32.09 | hooya | amarok? |
| 09:32.21 | xingu | yeah, that |
| 09:32.25 | valdyn | dutchfish: i never told you about apm |
| 09:32.32 | hooya | amorok.com? drywall? i need sleep... |
| 09:32.44 | liable | rxkaffee: theres a debian-admin or somesuch site that has a good article on ipables recent module and ssh login bannings |
| 09:32.52 | xingu | hooya: amarok.com <- drywall suppliers, never mind |
| 09:33.00 | hooya | xingu: what's the drywall reference... |
| 09:33.05 | OmnipotentEntity | This is probably an easy question, and there's probably a HOWTO or a FAQ for it, but browsing Google yielded all old device stuff, not the new udev stuff, so: Assuming I have some sort of USB thumbdrive how would I mount that if it didn't auto mount? |
| 09:33.05 | hooya | where? |
| 09:33.21 | xingu | hooya: mainland us, from the looks |
| 09:33.26 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 09:33.27 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 09:33.53 | OmnipotentEntity | Thank you. |
| 09:33.54 | teledyn | OmnipotentEntity: tail the syslog and see what happens when you plug it in |
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| 09:33.56 | liable | OmnipotentEntity: if you dont have gnome, check out ivman if you want automagic |
| 09:34.10 | xingu | teledyn: you could blacklist the module, but unfortunately I think the burned in default is to plumb in link scope addresses to all netdevs on load |
| 09:34.24 | xingu | teledyn: you can unplumb them again with ifconfig or iproute2 |
| 09:34.44 | dutchfish | GooE, valdyn i meant apf http://www.webhostgear.com/61.html |
| 09:34.45 | OmnipotentEntity | That was overwhelmingly quick and painless, thank you valdyn teledyn and liable. |
| 09:34.53 | rxkaffee | GooE: I believe liable's message about debian-admin and iptables recent is intended for you |
| 09:35.19 | xingu | teledyn: is there a reason to do this though? perhaps your real problem has a real answer that is not "avoid another network layer encapsulation" |
| 09:35.21 | liable | oh, yeah |
| 09:35.22 | teledyn | xingu: i'm having a weird issue. with certain websites they start to load then just hang. yesterday this exact thing happend with ubuntu, and i disabled ipv6 and all was well afterwards. now i'm having the same problem with etch |
| 09:35.51 | xingu | teledyn: are you root@ your local caching dns resolver? |
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| 09:36.21 | teledyn | xingu: i'm not running a caching dns resolver. maybe is should? right now dns is set to the wireless AP |
| 09:36.42 | liable | teledyn: were you here as another nick recently? |
| 09:36.44 | xingu | teledyn: most of those have astonishingly bad dns caches |
| 09:36.51 | teledyn | liable: only teledyn |
| 09:36.55 | liable | k |
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| 09:37.24 | xingu | teledyn: bind9 has hacks which allow the rrset to be sorted with aaaa last |
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| 09:37.32 | teledyn | xingu: i'll try setting up a my own bind9 as a caching ns and see. would that explain sites partially loading then just hanging? |
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| 09:37.36 | xingu | teledyn: which addresses the same problem area |
| 09:37.43 | xingu | teledyn: not a partial load, no |
| 09:38.00 | xingu | teledyn: that's usually a mss clamping problem or an ecn problem |
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| 09:38.04 | teledyn | xingu: yeah they start to load so many bytes, then just stop |
| 09:38.32 | valdyn | teledyn: that's no dns problem |
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| 09:39.16 | teledyn | tcp_ecn is set to 0 for ipv4 |
| 09:39.48 | teledyn | tcp_base_mss is set to 512 |
| 09:39.52 | dragan | is it possible to enable 256 colors in a virtual terminal, and how ? |
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| 09:40.36 | xingu | teledyn: good-o; if your datalink encaps is pppoe or even if it's pppoa or ipoa and your *provider* uses l2tp bridged backhaul from the co to their headend then it's probably mss clamping |
| 09:41.44 | teledyn | xingu: but would that explain why sometimes network works perfectly? earlier on ubuntu it was working great. whatever it is it must be related to my system |
| 09:41.46 | xingu | teledyn: whatever is punting frames off lan to wan probably has a "mss clamping" feature; enable it, and clamp to 1400 just to test |
| 09:42.36 | xingu | teledyn: I don't believe much in mysticism; a tcpdump frame capture showing such a failure plus 15s either side is a good thing. |
| 09:42.39 | teledyn | also, i don't have administrative access to the access point nor the router |
| 09:43.07 | teledyn | ok |
| 09:43.15 | teledyn | i'll work on tcpdumping |
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| 09:43.36 | xingu | teledyn: you'll need to park it somewhere that can be downloaded, I'd want to see the actual pcap blob |
| 09:44.24 | xingu | teledyn: are you using vlans locally do you know? |
| 09:44.36 | xingu | teledyn: ie on the wired side of your accesspoint |
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| 09:45.05 | dutchfish | xingu, sorry for interuption, but how can i enable mss clamping in dom-0 of a xen host in briding mode? |
| 09:45.37 | xingu | dutchfish: there's a kernel module, xtfilter I think; 2s, checking |
| 09:45.37 | liable | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4601 clues as to the regex error?? |
| 09:45.44 | teledyn | xingu: will pastebin it. locally i believe its just a consumer dsl router/access point |
| 09:45.52 | teledyn | a linksys |
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| 09:47.03 | xingu | dutchfish: CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TCPMSS depends on CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES |
| 09:47.15 | dutchfish | xingu, thx :0 |
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| 09:47.56 | xingu | dutchfish: you need that on whatever is the source of the socket; also MSS clamping won't help you for UDP, so lets hope you're not using anything that builds big UDP packets eh? |
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| 09:48.14 | b_jonas | hi, all. is there a way to make debian not change my grub menu.lst file? |
| 09:48.20 | xingu | dutchfish: if you are, you're mildly fecked; in that instance, use a GRE tunnel between you and something with a sane link layer |
| 09:48.22 | EvilDin | hi, how can i make php secure, that everysingle php script couldn't access to anything out of /var/www |
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| 09:48.45 | xingu | dutchfish: GRE tunneled packets support fragmentation and reassembly of the next layer up - at some considerable cost. |
| 09:49.12 | dutchfish | xingu, using asterix in dom-U |
| 09:49.58 | xingu | dutchfish: I'm a xen virgin; is there a reason why your mtu != datalink mtu in that zone? |
| 09:50.03 | dutchfish | xingu, does this also have an effect in vpn's? |
| 09:50.32 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, because it operates like a brdige |
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| 09:50.52 | xingu | dutchfish: can do yes, it can create pathalogical worst case for some of them; if you're reassembling every vpn segment you'll get a pounding, context switch wise |
| 09:50.55 | teledyn | anyone know what this is: OscarA.SME ? |
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| 09:51.13 | dutchfish | xingu, thx i can figure this one out |
| 09:51.15 | xingu | dutchfish: sounds broken; can you not increase the bridge mtu |
| 09:51.30 | dutchfish | xingu, yes i can |
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| 09:51.40 | xingu | dutchfish: will that not fix the issue? |
| 09:51.47 | dutchfish | xingu, should i go for a MTU of 1400? |
| 09:52.02 | xingu | dutchfish: like I said, I'm a xen virgin; what is the actual topology? |
| 09:52.19 | dutchfish | xingu, or ip4 bridge |
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| 09:52.35 | BleSS | hi! |
| 09:52.43 | BleSS | how rename severel files? foo_por.txt, foo_la.txt, ... I would delete 'foo_' so -> por.txt, la.txt, ... |
| 09:53.36 | xingu | liable: you can't escape your delimiter in a search or replace regex with \ (ie \/ doesn't mean what you think it means) |
| 09:55.02 | xingu | liable: suggest you either eat or transform them out of your input stream; I'm not sure you can use any other deliminter for addresses, the way you can in replaces (ie s|match|replace|opts is valid, I'm not sure |address| command is) |
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| 09:55.38 | shark_ | hi, can i make horizontal toolbar visible on all page that i browse, using xul/xpi technology pls ? |
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| 09:57.10 | xingu | BleSS: apt-cache show mmv |
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| 09:57.34 | BleSS | xingu, thanks |
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| 09:58.14 | teledyn | okay i have a reproducable network problem with wgetting a file |
| 09:58.19 | wishkah | is there a python module for writing presentations (for talks) in python? you know, code them rather than "draw" them? |
| 09:58.32 | xingu | teledyn: excellent, a good test case is the first step |
| 09:58.40 | teledyn | i can actually see that it starts to transfer a few byes then just stops |
| 09:58.43 | cast | wishkah: eh. maybe latex is more your thing? |
| 09:59.02 | xingu | teledyn: now what we need to see is pcap, and what we're looking for is wscale going bananas or dupe-acks |
| 09:59.03 | teledyn | so now just tcpdump to a file? |
| 09:59.03 | wishkah | cast: for presentations? with animations? |
| 09:59.21 | cast | animations AFAIK are not doable |
| 09:59.34 | Techdeck | BleSS, for i in foo_*.txt ; do mv "$i" "${i//#foo_}" ; done |
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| 09:59.36 | teledyn | by the way, in tcpdump i see a zillion arp requests flying by for other machines on the net |
| 09:59.41 | cast | is it possible to embed animations in pdf? i''m not sure...ever seen it done before |
| 09:59.49 | wishkah | cast: yeah, sometimes I want text scrolling in and stuff, so I figured this would be ideal to do in python |
| 09:59.56 | smhar | hi everyone |
| 10:00.00 | xingu | teledyn: yes, now this will pick up all flows source and sink your host so be aware of what you're sharing; also it will capture everything else in your broadcast datalink domain ie if you're hubbed it will record the hubbed flows too. |
| 10:00.07 | BleSS | Techdeck, cool! thx |
| 10:00.11 | wishkah | cast: if there really is no such module, I think I might write my own using sdl or something |
| 10:00.30 | smhar | are there different kernels available for Debian Etch or is it only one kernel? |
| 10:00.40 | wishkah | smhar: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 10:00.40 | xingu | teledyn: sounds like your net admin needs an impromptu kick up the arse because his edge is leaking |
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| 10:01.04 | liable | xingu: hrm, the expression #1 char 5 refers too? (yes i am quite confused) |
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| 10:01.37 | xingu | liable: the one that caught my eye was .... Back"\/ <-- there |
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| 10:03.21 | teledyn | xingu: ok its captured. |
| 10:03.23 | liable | xingu: even removing the \/ i still get the char 5 error |
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| 10:03.40 | teledyn | xingu: how can i paste it though? its not text... |
| 10:03.55 | liable | which if i read it right is the space in the second expression?? |
| 10:04.22 | xingu | teledyn: good question, I don't have an answer to |
| 10:04.39 | teledyn | xingu: i can put the file on a web server and give you the link |
| 10:04.50 | xingu | teledyn: a very poor second choice - tcpdump -nvvr file |
| 10:04.56 | xingu | teledyn: that's preferred |
| 10:05.39 | xingu | liable: yep seems to be; is it really a space character though? if so - why is it quoted that way? |
| 10:05.44 | teledyn | first i'm setting up my cachine ns to use the real provider's nameservers to bypass this crappy access point |
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| 10:06.08 | liable | xingu: it worked when it wasnt an array/var |
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| 10:08.03 | liable | xingu: original http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:XiL7ZaghPRcJ:liable.mine.nu/debian/keys.txt+site:liable.mine.nu&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=12 new http://channels.debian.net/paste/4602 |
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| 10:08.46 | xingu | liable: second uri is not found |
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| 10:10.07 | liable | hrm, pastebot is fuxored.. sec |
| 10:11.03 | liable | http://rafb.net/paste/results/mB1zET79.html |
| 10:11.07 | liable | xingu: ^^ |
| 10:12.08 | xingu | liable: ok so what you're getting bitten by is that you're parsing the metachars in the sed command twice in the second example |
| 10:12.35 | teledyn | xingu: can't access my web server. can i DCC you the tcpump output? |
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| 10:12.56 | xingu | liable: you need to guard it appropriately in quoting etc; the right hand side for SED_CMD is parsed exactly the way that it is in the original/working script - but then again, when the var is expanded later |
| 10:13.08 | xingu | teledyn: probably not; second choice is tcpdump -nvvr capture |
| 10:13.13 | teledyn | ok |
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| 10:14.09 | xingu | liable: if I might make a small suggestion; rather than creating shellscripts inline in shell vars, either create a function, or, a here document |
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| 10:14.47 | liable | xingu: i tried the function, and got pointed to array from #bash. the function failed completely :( |
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| 10:15.12 | liable | but i *do* suck at bash :) |
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| 10:15.58 | liable | xingu: care to gimme the function example? |
| 10:15.58 | xingu | liable: ie, either for bash "help function" or SED_CMD=`mktemp -p /tmp`; cat - >$SED_CMD <<EOF |
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| 10:16.42 | xingu | liable: function foo { echo args are $@; }; foo my args |
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| 10:17.03 | xingu | wow, that even parses |
| 10:17.11 | xingu | time to get a new day job |
| 10:17.20 | rxkaffee | what file do you use for /etc/bash.logout in debian? |
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| 10:18.10 | rxkaffee | bash.logout == "The systemwide login shell cleanup file, execudet when a login shell exits" |
| 10:18.32 | rxkaffee | but /etc/bash.logout does not seem to be getting executed when I logout on etch |
| 10:20.01 | teledyn | xingu: i don't know if the paste went through correctly, but http://rafb.net/paste/results/xGj6nf26.html |
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| 10:20.20 | teledyn | my browser's hung trying to display the pasted page |
| 10:21.16 | xingu | teledyn: wow, your net admin really needs to get hit with something weighted and blunt |
| 10:21.35 | teledyn | xingu: its a wireless net with no encryption :-) |
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| 10:22.15 | teledyn | courtesy of the building i'm staying it. they provide it as a service to residents. |
| 10:22.35 | xingu | teledyn: *snort* demand a refund |
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| 10:22.42 | xingu | teledyn: looking now, be a few minutes |
| 10:22.42 | teledyn | hehe |
| 10:23.31 | rxkaffee | or build a long range antenna, crack some other network's wep, and say your distro just did it automatically and you thought it was your residential courtesy network |
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| 10:23.58 | rxkaffee | ;) |
| 10:24.28 | qwertz | Hi, is there a way to show the content of a not already installed deb package (would need to know where asterisk-prompt-de put its files)? |
| 10:25.14 | liable | bah, i am too stupid today to fix this |
| 10:25.21 | teledyn | rxkaffee: FWIW i never had much luck trying to crack WEPs on any nets though i've tried to see if it works |
| 10:27.21 | rxkaffee | teledyn: you probably needed more data, it sounds like slow networks can take quite a while |
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| 10:27.39 | rxkaffee | though, I read mention of a method to generate false traffic that can help increase the amount of data you have to work with |
| 10:27.43 | teledyn | true you have to get enough unique packets |
| 10:27.45 | liable | rxkaffee: this isnt #h4x0r5 :P |
| 10:27.47 | rxkaffee | I need to look into it more though |
| 10:28.03 | rxkaffee | liable: sorry, just one solution to a problem at hand ;) |
| 10:28.30 | teledyn | here's something else i see from ifconfig: TX packets:1242629 errors:35171 |
| 10:28.49 | teledyn | and: RX packets:1299341 errors:2538 dropped:2538 overruns:0 frame:2443 |
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| 10:29.15 | xingu | teledyn: iptables -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -m tcpmss --mss 1400:1536 -j TCPMSS --set-mss 1406 |
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| 10:30.09 | xingu | teledyn: or whatever your netdev is; in your trace I see you complete the 3way handshake from your pespective and then fail to recieve the first segment - which is why your end retransmits the initial syn-ack |
| 10:30.45 | xingu | teledyn: which means that likely as not your transport can neither carry nor fragment segments of the size you're advertising to recieve - 1460 bytes |
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| 10:31.33 | xingu | teledyn: a lethal combination of firewalling icmp unreachable/ fragmentation needed and sub-1500byte link mtu in the path |
| 10:32.02 | xingu | did I mention how much people who fail to handle icmp shit me? |
| 10:32.25 | liable | do tell |
| 10:32.34 | teledyn | thanks for the help xingu |
| 10:32.59 | teledyn | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name do i need to run another iptables command first? |
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| 10:33.32 | teledyn | ah, just create one i guess |
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| 10:34.02 | xingu | teledyn: you might need to TCPMSS target TFM says is in the "mangle" table |
| 10:34.22 | xingu | teledyn: aah; mising item is -t mangle -A POSTROUTING etc. |
| 10:35.01 | teledyn | ok |
| 10:35.04 | teledyn | testing |
| 10:35.12 | poncha | guys. i need to decompose a gif animation (split into frames) and get all the info about how they were composed [delays between frames, sizes and positions of frames etc.. ] |
| 10:35.31 | teledyn | nein! |
| 10:36.03 | poncha | any idea what i can use ? part of the info i can see with "identify" from imagemagick... but i cant dig the delays for instance... and i dont see how i actually split it into frames.. |
| 10:36.07 | teledyn | same as before, no change, at least WRT the connection just fizzling after the initial |
| 10:36.39 | xingu | teledyn: try -A FORWARD, that's what's in the fine manpage |
| 10:36.46 | b_jonas | poncha: I'm not sure but I do think ImagMagick's convert can split to frames... no idea about the delays |
| 10:36.46 | xingu | teledyn: then on failure recapture and repaste. |
| 10:37.10 | valdyn | teledyn: iptables --insert FORWARD 1 -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -m tcpmss --mss 1400:1536 -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu |
| 10:37.29 | xingu | valdyn: I wouldn't count on pmtu working on this transport |
| 10:37.44 | poncha | b_jonas, problem is that i need to make transformation on the image (for example, write text on it), so i need to know how to reconstruct it in same way from altered frames :) |
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| 10:38.24 | teledyn | ok recapturing :-( |
| 10:38.34 | liable | yay, changed from char 5 to char 1 and i have no clue wat i did :) |
| 10:39.16 | xingu | teledyn: do you have other iptables rules installed btw? |
| 10:39.23 | valdyn | teledyn: maybe it would just make sense to use your modem router thingie in bridge mode |
| 10:39.25 | xingu | teledyn: it might be something as simple as an ordering issue. |
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| 10:39.40 | teledyn | xingu: nope. and just to be sure i ran iptables -F beforehand |
| 10:39.51 | xingu | teledyn: coolies |
| 10:41.11 | xingu | teledyn: and your actual net interface is eth0 too I hope (or you've changed the rule to suite, one or t'other) |
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| 10:42.28 | teledyn | xingu: its eth1 |
| 10:42.49 | xingu | teledyn: -o eth1 then obviously |
| 10:43.14 | valdyn | !aiglx |
| 10:43.14 | dpkg | i heard aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 10:43.51 | liable | fuck sake, why is escaping and shit so goddamn unlogical |
| 10:44.04 | teledyn | xingu: but i thought that rule is independent of the iface? |
| 10:44.08 | xingu | teledyn: iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -m tcpmss --mss 1400:1536 -j TCPMSS --set-mss 1406 |
| 10:44.22 | xingu | teledyn: no, its bound to output interface; otherwise you mss clamp lo and that's lethal for performance. |
| 10:44.45 | xingu | liable: <--- you must be this tall to enter |
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| 10:45.19 | teledyn | xingu: odd. before specifying the iface i could see the rule with iptables -L but now i don't |
| 10:45.58 | liable | xingu: other than really being a short person, your comment sucks :P |
| 10:46.14 | teledyn | iptables -L -n shows nothing |
| 10:46.28 | xingu | teledyn: it probablt doesn't list the mangle table |
| 10:47.02 | rxkaffee | don't you have to specify -t TABLE for non-default tables when used with -L? |
| 10:47.02 | teledyn | xingu: but when i ran the command without the -o eth1 earlier it did list. oh well. anyhow the problem persists. i'll dump it again... |
| 10:47.16 | rxkaffee | I'm not familiar with -n, that might supercede the usage of -t TABLE |
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| 10:48.41 | pjota | hi there, all! |
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| 10:49.24 | pjota | where can I find the DNS servers file on my machine? |
| 10:49.35 | valdyn | pjota: /etc/resolvconf/ |
| 10:49.38 | valdyn | pjota: /etc/resolv.conf even |
| 10:50.04 | pjota | valdyn: is this file used by all conections I have? (only have 2) |
| 10:50.17 | liable | yes |
| 10:50.25 | valdyn | pjota: its got nothing to do with what connections you have, works for all and any |
| 10:50.36 | teledyn | xingu: http://rafb.net/paste/results/t94dJn73.html |
| 10:50.53 | pjota | thanks valdyn, liable |
| 10:51.25 | teledyn | xingu: also note: i used "not port 6667" during the dump to filter out this irc stuff |
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| 10:51.50 | xingu | teledyn: sure; it's looking a lot healthier now |
| 10:52.08 | xingu | teledyn: it's gotten at least 4 segments, vs 0 before. |
| 10:52.14 | rxkaffee | valdyn: I don't know if this is some other package not part of base debian that I have installed doing it, but I noticed seperate files in /etc named such as resolv.eth0... so perhaps some connection manager or such swaps them depending on what was initialized when |
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| 10:52.31 | obsethryl | I really cannot wait to get on debian 4.0 stable |
| 10:52.47 | obsethryl | tis only a couple of weeks hopefully |
| 10:52.48 | obsethryl | :D |
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| 10:53.09 | xingu | teledyn: oic; I saw what I was expecting to see in the trace before rather than what was there, my mistke |
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| 10:53.37 | teledyn | xingu: no problem |
| 10:53.37 | xingu | teledyn: the good news is twofold; first, mss clamping is doing what it ought to, and second, its not needed anyway |
| 10:53.37 | LinuxHelp | How can I avoid this dmesg when umounting a cifs share: "CIFS VFS close with pending writes." I've tried the "sync" command but that doesnt work. I've tried sync and "mount -o remount,ro" and then only a umount (all with little sleep 15's in between) but still I get the dmesg. |
| 10:53.39 | xingu | teledyn: the bad news is that your transport is losing lan-to-wan ack's |
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| 10:53.53 | valdyn | rxkaffee: probably , the resolver only uses /etc/resolv.conf to find dns servers |
| 10:53.57 | dds | any python gurus around? #python is really quiet.. |
| 10:53.58 | xingu | teledyn: I don't think there's much you can do about that; it seems to be congested, badly. |
| 10:54.08 | xingu | teledyn: in the to-WAN direction |
| 10:54.21 | dds | I want to know when it's appropriate to use self.__dict__['foo'] = bar() instead of self.foo = bar() in a class |
| 10:54.27 | rxkaffee | valdyn: yes, I know that :) kinda hoped you might have some more detailed info on whats changing whi/when there... you seem to be well versed in the area ;) |
| 10:54.37 | SpComb | did they break all the apt keys for testing and unstable? I can't update any machines without it complaining about those |
| 10:54.50 | valdyn | rxkaffee: the resolvconf package messes with that, but it doesnt use a resolv.eth0 |
| 10:55.02 | valdyn | rxkaffee: so.. i have no idea what does |
| 10:55.22 | rxkaffee | ok cool : |
| 10:55.23 | rxkaffee | ) |
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| 10:55.29 | rxkaffee | oops, broken face |
| 10:55.45 | xingu | teledyn: first trace, search for "ack 4544" |
| 10:55.50 | teledyn | xingu: i've had a lot of weird issues with different wifi interfaces. i have a repeater very close to me so no power related issues. but some interfaces just seem to not work as well. even under different OSes and kernel versions the same iface may seem to work differently. |
| 10:56.13 | xingu | teledyn: its retransmitted from the far end and ack'd twice with no data following |
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| 10:57.15 | xingu | teledyn: I would have to assume at that point that the far end is just not hearing you; traffic shaping gone wrong, bung transport, who can tell |
| 10:57.42 | valdyn | !etch key |
| 10:57.43 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 10:59.44 | teledyn | xingu: no chance its something misconfigured with the card or the networking layer on my system? |
| 10:59.53 | xingu | teledyn: seriously doubt it |
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| 11:00.18 | xingu | teledyn: repet the test case with mtr running to the same host |
| 11:00.23 | xingu | teledyn: do you get icmp drops? |
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| 11:01.18 | teledyn | xingu: not now i'm not. there are times when i do see packet loss occuring intermittently |
| 11:01.43 | eegore | any recomendations on a file system for a single drive that is fast and stable |
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| 11:01.54 | valdyn | eegore: ext3 |
| 11:01.58 | teledyn | eegore: i like jfs |
| 11:02.09 | eegore | is it a little slow on the writes? |
| 11:02.21 | eegore | JFS faster? |
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| 11:02.33 | Xif | Hi. How do I 1) see if identd is running on my Debian Sarge server? 2) Stop it if it is? |
| 11:02.41 | teledyn | eegore: i'm pretty sure. you can find fs benchmark comparisons. |
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| 11:02.59 | valdyn | Xif: ps aux | grep ident |
| 11:03.00 | teledyn | eegore: if you don't ever expect to have unexpected power loss on the drive, xfs is a good choice |
| 11:03.09 | valdyn | Xif: ls /etc/init.d/*ident* |
| 11:03.12 | eegore | teledyn: I am also concerned about file protection as well |
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| 11:03.31 | Xif | valdyn: thanks a lot |
| 11:03.39 | teledyn | eegore: xfs is great but sometimes if you have open files and the power is lost they might get mangled |
| 11:03.52 | xingu | teledyn: about the only thing I might suggest is possibly set tcp_window_scaling to 0 as a test case |
| 11:03.53 | teledyn | eegore: because xfs does a heavy amount of caching |
| 11:04.05 | xingu | teledyn: if that's the fault I'll be well surprised though |
| 11:04.36 | eegore | I am running on a UPS, I should be safe should I not |
| 11:04.42 | teledyn | xingu: i'll test it. i'm also going to try a different interface in a few moments to see if that might help. |
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| 11:05.27 | eegore | I have heard that reiser 3.6 has issues with protecting the data itself |
| 11:05.34 | xingu | teledyn: the problem I have with that is that the trace shows your ack to-nets as the last relevant traffic on wire |
| 11:05.38 | teledyn | xingu: whoa!!! |
| 11:05.54 | xingu | teledyn: if your physical or datalink was fubar, that wouldn't be. |
| 11:06.02 | teledyn | xingu: that did it! |
| 11:06.27 | xingu | teledyn: let me guess, 2.6.16/2.6.17 kernel and you have 1GB or so memory? |
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| 11:07.00 | teledyn | xingu: 512MB ram and debian etch 2.6.17-2-686 kernel |
| 11:07.06 | xingu | that'd do it |
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| 11:08.27 | mirak | I am having a problem making a work a usb to rs232 converter. when I do a setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 on it I got the error : Cannot get serial info: Invalid argument |
| 11:08.28 | teledyn | xingu: so i can flush that iptables rule? |
| 11:08.36 | xingu | teledyn: broken firewall at the far end; ~2.6.16 timeframe, linux tcp "fixed" something that was clamping the amount of memory allocated to tcp sockets artificially low and then allowed tcp wscale to size to fit the new bucket depth |
| 11:08.41 | xingu | teledyn: yep, probably |
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| 11:09.47 | xingu | teledyn: problem is that some brokenated firewalls do the math and see you asking the remote end for big window sizes as a potential denial of service and bot the segment where it happens |
| 11:10.28 | xingu | teledyn: and to be honest for some host stacks asking for big window sizes *is* a denial of service, they can't constrain resource appropriately |
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| 11:11.13 | teledyn | xingu: what is consider a "big" window size? |
| 11:11.15 | xingu | teledyn: I think 2.6.18 has more conservative wscale back as the default again; the clue was - "wscale 4" in your trace and tcp timestamps at both source and sink |
| 11:11.33 | xingu | teledyn: a few meg or so |
| 11:12.48 | xingu | teledyn: ye-olde tcp implementations tend to wildly assume that window == segment; ones that support checksum offload and large mtu transports like IB or IPoFC have moved on |
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| 11:13.28 | xingu | anyway |
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| 11:14.19 | teledyn | well i'm very grateful. i've also learned a good deal. this gets into tcp networking deeper than i know, so i will have to read up on window scaling and how the kernel handles it |
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| 11:15.16 | teledyn | xingu: i think i will file a bug for this kernel and report this issue |
| 11:15.27 | xingu | teledyn: http://www.uga.edu/~ucns/lans/tcpipsem/ <-- section on "window"s later |
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| 11:15.44 | xingu | teledyn: no point, it's a lkml-known issue and default are more conservative in 2.6.18 |
| 11:16.27 | xingu | anyway, time to go wandering |
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| 11:17.33 | teledyn | i'm also going to read about mss clamping. thanks again. have a great day/night/morning |
| 11:18.21 | chemaja | umm -- http://wiki.debian.org/EducationDesktopXfce?highlight=%28%5EEducation%5BA-Z%5D%5B%5E%2F%5D%2A%24%29 |
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| 11:22.16 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 11:22.43 | ^rob^ | does debian has any bootable cd? to be able to run deb. from CD (not install) |
| 11:23.13 | liable | an unnoficial one, yeah |
| 11:23.22 | liable | !debian live |
| 11:23.28 | ^rob^ | liable: is ok that too |
| 11:23.30 | liable | meh |
| 11:23.49 | liable | ^rob^: google debian live |
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| 11:25.17 | eegore | Which is better, XFS or JFS |
| 11:25.40 | eegore | teledyn: ^ |
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| 11:26.30 | ^rob^ | i preffer xfs |
| 11:26.40 | teledyn | eegore: they're both great. |
| 11:26.54 | ^rob^ | but jfs is great too. |
| 11:26.55 | teledyn | eegore: probably xfs is a bit better performance. |
| 11:27.26 | ^rob^ | gtg - ty |
| 11:27.28 | ^rob^ | bye |
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| 11:27.33 | eegore | I will try that on a raid array when I get my card |
| 11:27.37 | teledyn | eegore: i've had very rare instances of data in files getting replaced with 0's after a system freeze apparently because xfs does heavy cachine, which helps its performance |
| 11:27.59 | teledyn | s/cachine/caching/ |
| 11:28.12 | blondie | xfs is not so good if you have power cuts... |
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| 11:29.59 | perlmonkey | hi, I am having a problem with my sound..all i am getting is like a crackling/squeaking noise from speakers, I am using alsa and running 2.6.8 kernel on a toshiba laptop...I had a look on google but cant seem to solve it, can anyone make any suggestions? |
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| 11:31.16 | teledyn | eegore: check on the section on "why do i see NULLS" here: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html |
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| 11:31.56 | liable | perlmonkey: lsof/puser /dev/dsp or the /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 11:32.10 | liable | perlmonkey: if nothings accesind it.. dunno |
| 11:32.19 | liable | accessing even |
| 11:32.46 | nst2 | anyone know when debian etch will be oficially stable? |
| 11:33.04 | perlmonkey | liable: many thanks |
| 11:33.07 | teledyn | eegore: here's some comparisons: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 11:33.20 | eegore | and windows boots can't see it, |
| 11:33.27 | liable | perlmonkey: err, s/fuser/puser/ :) |
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| 11:33.50 | liable | nst2: not yet |
| 11:34.02 | bartus | #windows_sucks please come! |
| 11:34.13 | CharminTheMoose | bartus,why? |
| 11:34.20 | Eclipser | bartus, you suck, go away |
| 11:34.29 | bartus | fak ju |
| 11:34.31 | Eclipser | haha |
| 11:34.42 | bartus | o_0 |
| 11:35.02 | bartus | im from uzbeekistan |
| 11:35.05 | CharminTheMoose | pwned |
| 11:35.06 | bartus | :P:P:P:P |
| 11:35.21 | Eclipser | who cares? |
| 11:35.36 | bartus | sorry for my anglissh |
| 11:35.52 | blondie | engrish you mean |
| 11:35.57 | teledyn | eegore: FWIW, i use jfs on my main laptop, and xfs on an external drive that holds mostly music and stuff and which only gets written to intermittently |
| 11:36.01 | CharminTheMoose | engrish ftw! |
| 11:36.11 | bartus | #bartus |
| 11:36.13 | bartus | please come |
| 11:36.14 | Eclipser | engrish is the language of tomorrow |
| 11:36.20 | bartus | :P |
| 11:36.26 | perlmonkey | liable: I dont seem to have /dev/snd/pcm but I have /dev/dsp |
| 11:36.36 | CharminTheMoose | engrish is great when used humourously,wait,it always is! |
| 11:36.40 | bartus | i m using ubuntu |
| 11:36.47 | bartus | not debian :P |
| 11:36.48 | liable | perlmonkey: you will have some pcm devs if you use alsa |
| 11:36.49 | blondie | bartus: go away |
| 11:36.55 | bartus | why |
| 11:36.58 | teledyn | bartus: /topic |
| 11:37.01 | liable | bartus: go to #ubuntu |
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| 11:37.06 | ma3x | how can I install .ttf fonts? where do I copy them? |
| 11:37.07 | teledyn | !topicsmite bartus |
| 11:37.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bartus. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 11:37.22 | bartus | i dont understand |
| 11:37.30 | bartus | sorry for my english |
| 11:37.52 | bartus | do you want op on #bartus? |
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| 11:38.05 | nst2 | stop boring us |
| 11:38.14 | liable | bartus: just be quiet if you have nothing usefull to add |
| 11:38.17 | bartus | idont undestand |
| 11:38.34 | bartus | i dont undestand noothing |
| 11:38.35 | teledyn | uh oh! stray ubuntu user! |
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| 11:38.55 | bartus | i dont undestand because i dont speak english |
| 11:38.55 | CharminTheMoose | 'I dont undestand noothing' so you do understand something? |
| 11:39.01 | CharminTheMoose | ;) |
| 11:39.02 | teledyn | bartus: join #ubuntu this channel is #debian |
| 11:39.15 | bartus | i dont undestand nothing on ubuntu |
| 11:39.23 | bartus | *#ubuntu |
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| 11:39.26 | blondie | go away troll |
| 11:39.35 | bartus | ehh is chanel ubuntu-pl but i have ban |
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| 11:39.38 | perlmonkey | hi blondie |
| 11:39.42 | blondie | hi |
| 11:39.51 | blondie | bartus: I wonder why |
| 11:39.53 | CharminTheMoose | question:what is the mknod major/minor number for /devhda*(insert number here)? |
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| 11:40.13 | liable | CharminTheMoose: kernel docs have the info you need |
| 11:40.23 | bartus | can you give question on #ubuntu-pl whyi havve ban? |
| 11:40.36 | Set | I accidently deleted a folder that I need. Is there any way to get it back?... |
| 11:40.41 | blondie | maybe you were trolling there too? |
| 11:40.45 | bartus | no |
| 11:40.48 | blondie | Set: restore from backup |
| 11:40.49 | bartus | i please for ban |
| 11:40.52 | bartus | for minute |
| 11:40.55 | teledyn | CharminTheMoose: devices.txt in the kernel documentation |
| 11:40.59 | bartus | but i have one hour |
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| 11:41.16 | Set | blondie, I don't have a backup, as it was my current downloads that went away |
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| 11:41.18 | bartus | i m trolling only here :D |
| 11:41.24 | bartus | rotflmay |
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| 11:41.38 | liable | bartus: no for long if you keep it up |
| 11:42.06 | bartus | idont understand |
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| 11:42.36 | bartus | do you give question why i have ban on #ubuntu-pl? |
| 11:42.39 | bartus | please! |
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| 11:42.59 | blondie | ask the person that banned you. |
| 11:43.08 | bartus | i dont know how |
| 11:43.10 | GrimWald | or at least go on #ubuntu |
| 11:43.22 | GrimWald | /query nickname |
| 11:43.30 | bartus | but i want ubuntu-pl because i dont speak english |
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| 11:43.44 | blondie | why are you asking in here? |
| 11:43.48 | TolstoyInLove | when i enter this command: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/hda5 in terminal, show the error(cant open /dev/md0) why thi happen? please help me. |
| 11:43.53 | bartus | because... |
| 11:44.00 | bartus | i dont know because what |
| 11:44.02 | bartus | please |
| 11:44.11 | bartus | please give question there |
| 11:44.13 | eegore | teledyn: what is the CLI command to format the drive |
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| 11:44.26 | teledyn | eegore: mkfs.<fs type> |
| 11:44.28 | blondie | bartus: no, we don't speak polish |
| 11:44.30 | eegore | in xfs |
| 11:44.36 | teledyn | eegore: mkfs.<fs type> <device> |
| 11:44.39 | bartus | say question in english |
| 11:44.41 | bartus | please |
| 11:44.44 | GrimWald | and i guess a channel operator on #ubuntu-pl is on #ubuntu but here is the wrong channel for you anyway |
| 11:44.46 | blondie | no |
| 11:44.47 | bartus | they will understand |
| 11:45.28 | blondie | your english seems ok, so go to #ubuntu... this is offtopic in here |
| 11:45.39 | bartus | so i go |
| 11:45.46 | bartus | :( |
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| 11:47.18 | liable | TolstoyInLove: dont you need to supply both devices in the command? |
| 11:48.17 | eegore | brb |
| 11:48.35 | TolstoyInLove | liable, sorry i dont understand :( |
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| 11:49.52 | TolstoyInLove | liable, can you tel an example |
| 11:50.29 | liable | TolstoyInLove: http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 11:51.11 | Xif | How do I list all listening processes on my server? |
| 11:51.23 | liable | netstat -plunt |
| 11:51.35 | Xif | thanks. |
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| 11:52.30 | bartus | can you ask in #ubuntu-pl why i have ban? |
| 11:52.33 | blondie | no |
| 11:52.41 | bartus | because on #ubuntu i have ban, too |
| 11:52.45 | teledyn | TolstoyInLove: is the md module loaded? |
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| 11:52.49 | bartus | :D |
| 11:52.49 | blondie | you'll have one here soon, too |
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| 11:52.56 | row | haha |
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| 11:53.06 | bartus | pleeeeeeeease |
| 11:53.08 | Xif | what's the connection between identd and inetd? |
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| 11:53.23 | Xif | are they the same except for name? |
| 11:53.29 | blondie | no they are not |
| 11:53.29 | liable | no |
| 11:53.31 | row | bartus: this is not #ubuntu so no one can help you |
| 11:53.32 | blondie | they are not the same at all |
| 11:53.42 | bartus | jest tu ktos z polski? |
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| 11:53.56 | blondie | !ops bartus trolling/offtopic |
| 11:53.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: bartus trolling/offtopic |
| 11:54.00 | Xif | I have inetd running on port 113, appearantly acting very much the same as identd |
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| 11:54.11 | liable | Xif: identd is prolly started from inetd |
| 11:54.15 | teledyn | Xif: no, one is an ident daemon, the other is the inet daemon |
| 11:54.28 | TolstoyInLove | teledyn, yes |
| 11:54.36 | liable | Xif: google inetd, it looks after otherservices so to speak |
| 11:54.46 | smhar | I am suffering lately from a slow system and a dmesg full of error regarding the harddisk after one apdate-upgrade day, some how I am suspecting the kernel as an old kernel from my system when it was runing sarge is working fine but doesnot work with xorg.. what can I do? |
| 11:54.48 | row | there is a op called ): lol |
| 11:54.51 | Xif | ok, so it's possible inetd is running and would forward to identd, but identd is not running? |
| 11:55.48 | TolstoyInLove | liable, thanks alot . its that is i want. (i dont know my senteces is correct or not ;) ) |
| 11:55.48 | liable | Xif: yes, if identd is run from inetd, then it will show as inetd in netstat |
| 11:56.03 | liable | TolstoyInLove: glad it helped |
| 11:56.06 | bartus | pressenter |
| 11:56.06 | GrimWald | smhar did you apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:56.08 | teledyn | smhar: which distro? |
| 11:56.15 | bartus | ohh, he isnt her |
| 11:56.17 | bartus | e |
| 11:56.34 | Xif | liable: ah, I see. I'm should probably shutdown the inetd instance listening on 113, as identd is deemed a security risk. |
| 11:57.00 | liable | Xif: just purge identd |
| 11:57.01 | bartus | how i can add proxy on irc? |
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| 11:57.07 | bartus | *use |
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| 11:57.11 | bartus | use proxyyy |
| 11:57.16 | teledyn | Xif: just comment out the identd line in inetd.conf and restart inetd |
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| 11:57.23 | GrimWald | bartus can't you just go away :/ |
| 11:57.33 | Xif | liable: theoretically, how wpi;d I you know if identd is listening on other ports, but listed as inetd? |
| 11:57.38 | bartus | i will go away but not now |
| 11:57.44 | Xif | s/wpi;d/would/ |
| 11:57.53 | Xif | s/I// |
| 11:57.59 | eegore | teledyn: I took a chance on XFS for its all around performance |
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| 11:58.11 | teledyn | Xif: lsof -i | grep ident |
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| 11:58.21 | liable | Xif: purely from port number and /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 11:58.33 | matholio | hi |
| 11:58.55 | teledyn | eegore: as i mentioned, i use it for my external drive and its great. on my laptop i use jfs. |
| 11:58.57 | matholio | please, how do I control what shell is use for each user ? |
| 11:59.10 | blondie | matholio: usermod -s /bin/blas username |
| 11:59.13 | Xif | teledyn: that doesn't seems to work, as it lists nothing though identd is running on 113 as inetd |
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| 11:59.26 | Xif | liable: thanks, I'm checking it out right now. |
| 11:59.29 | blondie | you can set the default one in /etc/adduser.conf (if you use adduser) |
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| 11:59.40 | eegore | This is my storage drive that I cycle stuff to to keep my home clean |
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| 11:59.51 | teledyn | Xif: lsof -i |grep 113 |
| 12:00.08 | teledyn | eegore: its a good choice then. |
| 12:00.14 | eegore | It is also where I keep my virtual machines |
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| 12:00.16 | matholio | ah, thanks, that's pleanty for me to google. |
| 12:01.11 | Xif | teledyn: (doesn't work either, but thanks anyway) |
| 12:01.27 | teledyn | Xif: did you run that command as superuser? |
| 12:01.35 | Xif | yes. |
| 12:01.41 | teledyn | hmm |
| 12:01.48 | Xif | lsof doesn't seem to list port numbers here. |
| 12:01.53 | teledyn | Xif: does lsof -i show anything? |
| 12:02.02 | Xif | yes. but not the port number. |
| 12:02.07 | eegore | teledyn: I am trying to milk every bit of performance out of this box so I don't have to spend money an another mobo |
| 12:02.43 | teledyn | Xif: yes, on the left column you get the "service" name. look in /etc/services to match the name to the port numbers and vice-versa |
| 12:02.53 | Xif | teledyn: but in any case, if I'm assuming 113 == identd, I can use netstat |
| 12:03.02 | teledyn | Xif: oh sorry |
| 12:03.26 | Araneidae | I'm running out of entropy: how can I configure my entropy sources for /dev/random? |
| 12:03.27 | teledyn | Xif: actually the service name is in the right column after <hostname>: |
| 12:03.36 | Araneidae | On FreeBSD rndcontrol does the trick... |
| 12:03.56 | teledyn | eegore: what sort of system is it? |
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| 12:04.14 | liable | dunno how to configure it, but just move your mouse or somming |
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| 12:04.27 | Araneidae | The box in question is headless: no mouse, no keyboard |
| 12:04.31 | eegore | I set one guy up on ubuntu for starters since he is new, when he starts to understand how things work, I am going to bring him to the Debian side completely |
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| 12:04.41 | teledyn | play a varese mp3? |
| 12:04.45 | Araneidae | Heh |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ide_detect.o' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.10 | Araneidae | I ran `find / >/dev/null`, but I'd like to see if I'm missing some interrupts (eg, Network) |
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| 12:05.38 | Xif | teledyn: lsof -i doesn't seem to list the identd on 113 :) |
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| 12:06.18 | Araneidae | Aha: "network entryopy has been disabled..." |
| 12:06.19 | teledyn | Xif: right-side column should be after TCP localhost and before LISTEN |
| 12:06.39 | eegore | Damn, I have almost 30,000 files in there |
| 12:07.15 | eegore | I have to figure a way to catalog what I have so I knowq what I got |
| 12:07.30 | teledyn | eegore: are those mp3's? |
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| 12:07.48 | eegore | I have a buch of those on another drive |
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| 12:08.33 | eegore | I have not even started organizing those |
| 12:08.53 | eegore | too many to do by hand |
| 12:09.10 | teledyn | eegore: there's something to be said for heirarchical organizational techniques |
| 12:09.52 | eegore | teledyn: yes and since it has grown into a monster, I can barely sort though the genres |
| 12:10.03 | Hoxzer | eh |
| 12:10.18 | Hoxzer | can I use linux-source-2.6.17 to compile modules for 2.6.17-2-686? |
| 12:10.24 | eegore | I need something that can automatically sort by genre |
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| 12:10.50 | eegore | sorting by artis name and matching |
| 12:11.03 | Xif | teledyn: interesting, it lists 4 inetd instances, but none of them is the identd one |
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| 12:11.27 | Xif | teledyn: I pastebinned the lsof -i output, if you're interested: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X8uE5642.html |
| 12:11.34 | teledyn | Xif: you're sure that identd is running/listening? what does the line for it in inetd.conf say? |
| 12:11.53 | Xif | teledyn: "what does the line for it in inetd.conf say?" -> checking... |
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| 12:13.01 | Xif | #:INFO: Info services |
| 12:13.01 | Xif | ident stream tcp wait identd /usr/sbin/identd identd |
| 12:13.05 | xingu | Araneidae: if you're really lucky, there might be a hardware rng like intel-rng or the via-c3 one |
| 12:13.22 | eegore | teledyn: I remember seeing a utility that would search artist databases on the net and then organize them into directories accordingly |
| 12:13.27 | teledyn | Xif: what happens if you telent to that port? |
| 12:13.47 | teledyn | s/telent/telnet/ |
| 12:13.51 | Xif | teledyn: "Connected to example.com (x.x.x.x) \n Escape character is '^]'." |
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| 12:14.23 | teledyn | Xif: do you want to just shut it off? how about /etc/init.d/identd stop |
| 12:14.38 | Xif | my first attempt :) |
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| 12:15.31 | Xif | teledyn: "bash: /etc/init.d/identd: No such file or directory" |
| 12:15.52 | teledyn | Xif: what if you restart inetd? |
| 12:16.14 | tralala | this sounds like an inetd task, you can't stop these that way |
| 12:16.21 | Xif | teledyn: should I comment out the above line in inetd.conf, then? |
| 12:16.27 | Xif | (before the restart) |
| 12:16.27 | teledyn | Xif: yes |
| 12:16.38 | Xif | ok, performing... |
| 12:16.54 | teledyn | Xif: just uninstall it if you don't need it. dpkg -P identd |
| 12:18.03 | Xif | teledyn: I commented out the line and /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 12:18.14 | Xif | teledyn: telneting to 113 still works. |
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| 12:19.08 | teledyn | Xif: look at 113 in /etc/services |
| 12:19.45 | teledyn | Xif: i think the auth line in lsof output was it |
| 12:19.58 | Xif | it might... |
| 12:20.27 | Xif | teledyn: but then how do you explain the above quoted identd line in inetd.conf? |
| 12:20.42 | teledyn | Xif: i can't |
| 12:21.00 | teledyn | Xif: i mean the line ok, but why its still running? |
| 12:21.07 | Xif | auth 113/tcp authentication tap ident |
| 12:21.15 | Xif | that's from etc/services |
| 12:21.19 | yunhual | which utility can used to view source file like the Source Insight on windows? |
| 12:22.01 | teledyn | Xif: maybe man inetd to get some more in depth info |
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| 12:22.49 | salman | hi all |
| 12:23.31 | rxkaffee | yunhual: I dunno about Source Insight on windows, but sometimes I use Bluefish to view source code, it has syntax highlighting, and a few other nifty features like that |
| 12:24.00 | Xif | yunhual: viewing plain text source files? vi(m) |
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| 12:24.45 | smhar | hi all, again :-) |
| 12:25.05 | Xif | teledyn: interesting. when I "/etc/init.d/inetd stop", telneting 113 fails. |
| 12:25.28 | smhar | first of all I am running from the console so I need to know how to get copy/paste working? |
| 12:25.51 | Xif | teledyn: ok, finally something makes sense: after the full stop, starting inetd again doesn't bring back the identd on port 113. |
| 12:26.06 | teledyn | Xif: good |
| 12:26.20 | itchi | smhar: Install gpm |
| 12:26.32 | Xif | or run in an Emacs console. |
| 12:26.57 | smhar | itchi: it is installed and I run gpm but got nothing.. mouse pointer is not there at all |
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| 12:27.30 | yunhual | yes, plain text source |
| 12:27.33 | itchi | smhar: Have you already reboot sinds it is installed? |
| 12:28.00 | yunhual | vim with ctags? |
| 12:28.24 | itchi | smhar: I'm not sure that with /etc/init.d/gpm start are enought |
| 12:28.33 | smhar | itchi: it has been installed long time ago, not just now.. and I had just rebooted to get into an older .. working kernel to be able to use the computer |
| 12:29.39 | smhar | itchi: I remember seeing some error about the mouse driver in the boot log but don't know how to access that now |
| 12:29.43 | itchi | smhar: With gpm you should get an white square when you are without X. And to controle it, just shake the mouse like usual. |
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| 12:30.44 | itchi | smhar: I not know the setup of gpm like everytime after installing it, it works without any action |
| 12:30.52 | smhar | itchi: I know,, I've used used it before |
| 12:31.28 | rxkaffee | smhar: dmesg will show you the boot log |
| 12:31.59 | itchi | smhar: Otherwise you should play with the visual mode of vim(pressing the 'v' key) and then select the text with the directions keys and press the 'y' (yank) key, then 'p' (paste) somewhere |
| 12:32.13 | smhar | rxkaffee: dmesg |grep mouse doesn't show anything but I am sure I saw something about mouse driver error |
| 12:32.54 | itchi | smhar: But there too, you can use the mouse in vim :-) set mouse=a |
| 12:33.35 | rxkaffee | smhar: usb, serios, or ps2 mouse? |
| 12:33.38 | rxkaffee | *serial |
| 12:33.57 | itchi | smhar: Tryout to find out what's happend with gpm, it's to useful when whitout X |
| 12:34.14 | smhar | itchi: 1) I am not in the mode to learn to use vim or anything else now, 2) I need the copy/paste to copy my dmesg and hdparam to paster in the browser, links2 in order to get help for a more important issue, the kernel :-) |
| 12:34.18 | rxkaffee | itchi: how do you set mouse=a in vi? |
| 12:34.23 | rxkaffee | *vim |
| 12:34.43 | smhar | rxkaffee: usb |
| 12:34.59 | rxkaffee | smhar: I do not believe links2 accepts paste from gpm :/ |
| 12:35.06 | rxkaffee | or perhaps it was elinks that had the problem |
| 12:35.20 | rxkaffee | one of the console browsers has given me all hell trying to paste into |
| 12:35.30 | itchi | rxkaffee: I not understand |
| 12:35.32 | rxkaffee | smhar: you have both your usb host drivers, and HID drivers installed? |
| 12:35.45 | itchi | rxkaffee: :set mouse=a |
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| 12:35.49 | tralala | links is a bitch for copy/paste |
| 12:35.50 | smhar | rxkaffee: all I want is someone to help me with my kernel issue |
| 12:36.03 | smhar | rxkaffee: I think yes.. |
| 12:36.03 | rxkaffee | itchi: you said to "set mouse=a" to use the mouse in vim |
| 12:36.04 | itchi | rxkaffee: Or put it in the .vimrc |
| 12:36.12 | rxkaffee | oh ok |
| 12:36.14 | rxkaffee | thanks :) |
| 12:36.17 | itchi | rxkaffee: Yeah, you can use the mouse haha |
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| 12:36.56 | itchi | rxkaffee: Mouse is useful when you have 2 windows in vim for example |
| 12:37.01 | smhar | I think I will need a strong cup of coffee before continuing :-) |
| 12:37.14 | itchi | smhar: Give me one too please :-) |
| 12:37.23 | rxkaffee | hmm, it would appear that my vi is not m'd |
| 12:37.25 | itchi | !coffee |
| 12:37.25 | dpkg | i guess coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
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| 12:37.41 | itchi | haha |
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| 12:37.52 | rxkaffee | oh well, I'll live |
| 12:38.33 | rxkaffee | anyone know why my /etc/bash.logout is not getting executed when I `exit` |
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| 12:39.12 | rxkaffee | I've confirmed with ps that I am infact running bash |
| 12:39.14 | _JusSx_ | smhar: what's your kernel issue? |
| 12:39.26 | Spliffster | hi what was the command gain that relaces make and generates a deb package instead ? |
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| 12:42.11 | liable | Spliffster: make-kpkg |
| 12:42.29 | Spliffster | liable: isn'tthis "just" for compiling kernels ? |
| 12:42.36 | yunhual | what is the .7z file, can i extract it with tar ?? |
| 12:42.37 | liable | Spliffster: yes |
| 12:42.49 | itchi | yunhual: 7-zip |
| 12:43.08 | itchi | yunhual: Or see backports for Sarge |
| 12:43.09 | Spliffster | liable: oh ... i'd like to compile a userland program and have it packaged as deb. i have seen a utilitiy some time ago but can't remeber |
| 12:43.19 | liable | Spliffster: if you want to make debs for ordinary programs, read the new maintainers guide |
| 12:43.31 | Spliffster | liable: thank you |
| 12:43.35 | yunhual | itchi, is 7-zip a software ? |
| 12:43.44 | itchi | yunhual: Yes, it is software |
| 12:43.49 | liable | Spliffster: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:43.56 | rxkaffee | liable: is it any simplier than the ones contained in the bot's factoids? those long things were very frightening |
| 12:44.01 | Spliffster | aaaah ... maynthanks! |
| 12:44.14 | rxkaffee | the "new maintainers guide" I mean |
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| 12:44.49 | liable | rxkaffee: its quite simple really. but if the source isnt already debianised, yes you need to follow that guide |
| 12:45.22 | rxkaffee | by debianised, you mean cantaining a Debian rules file? |
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| 12:45.36 | liable | yes, the /debian dir |
| 12:45.45 | enouf | !coffee itchi |
| 12:46.07 | itchi | enouf: hehe, i have already an hot cup here, but i take the joker buahahah :-) |
| 12:46.29 | enouf | heh |
| 12:48.42 | itchi | yunhual: Run you Sarge? |
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| 12:50.15 | enouf | is /etc/bash.logout a normal debian file? I don;t have that here |
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| 12:50.27 | rxkaffee | enouf: no, doesn't seem to be... I did not have it either |
| 12:50.29 | rxkaffee | had to create it |
| 12:50.37 | enouf | rxkaffee: why? |
| 12:50.51 | rxkaffee | enouf: I wish to execute some cleanup type commands at the time of logout |
| 12:52.00 | enouf | rxkaffee: oh .. ok .. then in order to do so .. you need that file I presume |
| 12:52.17 | rxkaffee | yes, I created it :) |
| 12:52.19 | rxkaffee | it exists |
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| 12:52.31 | rxkaffee | ie.: cat clear>/etc/bash.logout |
| 12:53.44 | enouf | rxkaffee: but where did you obtain the info to actually create that file? the abs guide? or someone here? |
| 12:54.03 | tribbin | Extracting from large TAR files eats up all of my /dev/hda IO, even as a nice thread, and leaves all other actions that need to read or write /dev/hda with a big latency. Is there a way to tweak this? |
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| 12:54.25 | Phated | Isn't it .bash_logout, not bash.logout? |
| 12:54.33 | rxkaffee | Phated: ~/.bash_logout |
| 12:54.37 | rxkaffee | its a localized version |
| 12:54.39 | enouf | Phated: see rxkaffee ? |
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| 12:54.50 | Phated | Yeah... <shrug> I saw him saying bash.logout earlier. |
| 12:54.54 | enouf | oh .. I;m lost |
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| 12:55.15 | rxkaffee | enouf: I've used it in other distros before, but a friend reminded me of the /etc/bash.logout and ~/.bash_logout |
| 12:55.39 | Spliffster | i have a question: is all the source code of the base system available trough apt ? i am looking for the headerfiles of e2fsprogs but can't find a "-dev" package |
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| 12:56.00 | enouf | Phated: rxkaffee ahh .. atleast now a 'locate bash_logout' reveals atleast this /etc/skel/.bash_logou |
| 12:56.09 | enouf | +t |
| 12:56.18 | rxkaffee | Spliffster: you have to setup a src line in your sources.list |
| 12:56.27 | rxkaffee | I believe you chang the deb part to deb-src |
| 12:56.32 | rxkaffee | don't quote me on that part though |
| 12:56.35 | Phated | Yes, a file that you want to be executed on `exit` should be named .bash_logout in your homedir. |
| 12:56.36 | Spliffster | rxkaffee: oh right, checking |
| 12:56.38 | Spliffster | ty |
| 12:56.41 | enouf | Suprano:then use apt-get source <pkg> |
| 12:56.55 | rxkaffee | Phated: I'm looking for a system-wide implementation of such |
| 12:57.15 | Phated | eh, mmkay. |
| 12:57.22 | liable | Spliffster: try e2fslibs-dev |
| 12:57.23 | Spliffster | hmmm, are e2fsprog's headers part of the kernel ? |
| 12:57.41 | Spliffster | liable: yay ... thanks again! |
| 12:57.45 | enouf | Spliffster: a 'deb-src' line containing the same as the other |
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| 12:58.03 | Spliffster | enouf: i have all source repos except for security, ty |
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| 12:58.40 | enouf | Spliffster: np .. you can always check p.d.o when you're unsure of things like that too |
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| 12:59.12 | Spliffster | enouf: wtf is "p.d.o" ? |
| 12:59.18 | enouf | !pdo |
| 12:59.18 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:59.35 | Spliffster | figures :) |
| 12:59.39 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:00.50 | enouf | Spliffster: note a 'apt-cache search e2fs' yields the pkg you wanted |
| 13:00.55 | CharminTheMoose | question:what are the PAM modules?I'm trying to make custom boot/rootdisk and when i log in thus 'login:root<enterkey> PAM failure,aborting Critical Error' |
| 13:01.13 | enouf | !pam |
| 13:01.13 | dpkg | from memory, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 13:01.13 | Spliffster | enouf: yes i have it installed now, i was searching for fsprogs |
| 13:01.50 | enouf | Spliffster: right .... heh .. it took me a whilwe to get good at searching too. .. and I can srtill suck at it |
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| 13:02.36 | Spliffster | enouf: i prefor to use the -n switch: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:02.37 | enouf | Spliffster: note an apt-get update will update your cache .. for searches |
| 13:02.54 | Spliffster | enouf: err, something like this : function search { sudo apt-cache search -n $@; } |
| 13:03.41 | Spliffster | enouf: ok, thanx. i am a long time unix user an not new to debian. i just keep forgetting commands now and then ... the thc you know ? :P |
| 13:03.43 | enouf | Spliffster: hrmm .. I'll have to try that .. thnks .. I use apt-cache search -n <keyword> | grep <keyword> when there are too many returns |
| 13:04.13 | enouf | Spliffster: you da man |
| 13:04.21 | Spliffster | enouf: of course you can skip the susos part ... it was just lazy c&p i gues |
| 13:04.25 | enouf | I fdorget too .. getting old |
| 13:04.34 | Spliffster | s/susos/sudo/ |
| 13:04.53 | enouf | Spliffster: I use it as well .. protect the system while in GUI :-) |
| 13:05.33 | enouf | Spliffster: less hassle .. set up in /etc/sudoers |
| 13:05.45 | ringo999 | ok, I finally got Etch working with parallels on intel macosx, using xorg and xfce. Only problem I have left is to setup my german keyboard. I think I have set all the XkbRules/Model/Layout/Variant correctly, however, the alt+key combinations won't work. Anyone know how I could fix this? I tried "showkey -s" in terminal under xfce, but I get the error message that this is only a pseudoterminal... |
| 13:05.58 | Spliffster | enouf: yes, but if you do it like me (NOPASSWD: ALL) then you open a potential security hole ... ssshhh don't tell anyone baout my setup |
| 13:06.19 | enouf | Spliffster: all I will say is shhhh :-P |
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| 13:06.45 | tribbin | Can anybody help me with this? For retrieving backups I need tar xf on large (20+gig) files a lot. Extracting from large TAR files eats up all of my /dev/hda IO, even as a nice thread, and leaves all other actions that need to read or write /dev/hda with a big latency. Is there a way to tweak this? |
| 13:08.00 | enouf | tribbin: I doubt it unless you can either a) try placing the tars in a diff Dir or HDD before untarring .. or b)place them on a HDD that's on a completely separate IDE cable (Channel) |
| 13:08.31 | Spliffster | tribbin: it might be the driver you use. i had simmilar problems on a machine once which had sata disks/ctonroller but was using an old legacy ide driver .. .are you sure you are using the propper drivers ? |
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| 13:09.20 | tribbin | I'm pretty sure, it's no SATA and pretty mainstream hardware. |
| 13:09.52 | enouf | tribbin: something about them being in /home/username/.. may cause some lag .. (extra cycles) .. |
| 13:10.18 | xsdg | tribbin: what kernel version are you using? |
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| 13:10.30 | enouf | tribbin: got DMA on? use hdparm -i /dev/hda and see the * next to udma settings |
| 13:10.32 | tribbin | Linux robin 2.6.17-2-k7 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:18:46 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:10.38 | tribbin | Standard etch debian kernel |
| 13:10.58 | asdfcd | with bin blobs? |
| 13:11.11 | tribbin | enouf: one moment, apt-ing hdparm now |
| 13:11.30 | tribbin | robin:/home/robin/Download/garnome-2.16.2/desktop/gnome-desktop# hdparm -i /dev/hda |
| 13:11.30 | tribbin | /dev/hda: |
| 13:11.30 | tribbin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.30 | tribbin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.30 | tribbin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.32 | enouf | tribbin: also get sdparm too when you can |
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| 13:11.47 | tribbin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.49 | tribbin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.55 | tribbin | Sorry I got kicked |
| 13:12.06 | enouf | tribbin: STOP that please |
| 13:12.19 | enouf | do NOT paste in the channel |
| 13:12.24 | tribbin | I'm not too familiar with irc |
| 13:12.32 | enouf | plus you pasted all useless info |
| 13:12.34 | tribbin | Normally I use manuals only |
| 13:12.44 | enouf | the good info is on the next line |
| 13:13.03 | tribbin | using_dma = 1 |
| 13:13.06 | pumpkin0 | !paste |
| 13:13.06 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 13:13.13 | EdLin | !tell tribbin about paster |
| 13:13.14 | enouf | !tell tribbin about pastebin |
| 13:13.37 | tribbin | Ah I see now |
| 13:13.38 | asdfcd | tribbin: the answer, my friend, is your FM and not here |
| 13:13.57 | xsdg | asdfcd: "FM"? |
| 13:13.59 | tribbin | asdfcd: What is FM? |
| 13:14.04 | enouf | file managerA? |
| 13:14.05 | asdfcd | from RTFM |
| 13:15.15 | xsdg | asdfcd: if folks are helping, it's not really useful to say "read the manual" unless you point out what specifically you mean by "the manual" |
| 13:15.48 | tribbin | asdfcd: I'm aware of dma settings and such, I was just more thinking of some pre-empt like kernel IO patch |
| 13:15.57 | xsdg | tribbin: wait, so /dev/hda is your SATA drive? |
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| 13:16.16 | tribbin | xsdg: It's no SATA |
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| 13:16.35 | PinBalWiz | Oy! |
| 13:16.37 | xsdg | tribbin: aah, ok, IDE? |
| 13:16.42 | xsdg | PinBalWiz: hey |
| 13:16.54 | tribbin | xsdg: I never have latency troubles, yes IDE, only when partially extracting TARS |
| 13:17.08 | enouf | I don;t know where he got using_dma=1 .. hdparm -i has -> UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 |
| 13:17.18 | enouf | maybe without the -i |
| 13:17.24 | tribbin | hdparm /dev/hda says dma is on |
| 13:17.36 | xsdg | tribbin: can you paste the output of `hdparm -i /dev/hda` to rafb.net/paste? |
| 13:17.36 | tribbin | udma2 is on |
| 13:17.37 | enouf | tribbin WHICH dma? |
| 13:17.59 | asdfcd | has debian also "binary blobs" in its kernel ?? |
| 13:18.02 | xsdg | tribbin: how old is this drive? |
| 13:18.05 | enouf | well that ain't great .. si that old hardware? .. ala 2000ish? |
| 13:18.14 | xsdg | asdfcd: what do you mean by "binary blobs"? |
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| 13:18.29 | PinBalWiz | Hi xsdf, enouf. |
| 13:18.39 | enouf | !greet PinBalWiz |
| 13:18.39 | PinBalWiz | I have some good news and some bad news. |
| 13:18.40 | dpkg | Salutations, PinBalWiz |
| 13:18.42 | tribbin | The drive is around two or three years old |
| 13:18.53 | tribbin | I pasted the output |
| 13:18.54 | enouf | yes ,, wait's for sahoe |
| 13:18.59 | enouf | shoe even |
| 13:19.04 | enouf | to drop |
| 13:19.06 | tribbin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4605 |
| 13:19.11 | asdfcd | xsdg: i dont much about it, just binary stuff needed for 3d-wobbly-whatever, not the driver but dont kno what it is.. |
| 13:19.35 | PinBalWiz | The bad news is I haven't figured out a cure just yet to my failure to capture all my ATI X1300 vid card's capabilities and it's still running as a VESA. :( |
| 13:19.37 | enouf | Paste not found. |
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| 13:19.50 | DARKGirl_ | what is the link to the Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (2006110) file??? |
| 13:20.10 | DARKGirl_ | i need to download the iso again |
| 13:20.15 | EdLin | DARKGirl_: IYNTAYS |
| 13:20.18 | enouf | !tell DARKGirl_ about mirrors |
| 13:20.20 | PinBalWiz | also, I haven't been able to install my HP 4100n w/jetdirect printer on my new Debian machine as a listed printer. |
| 13:20.24 | rxkaffee | !iyntays |
| 13:20.25 | PinBalWiz | the good news is: |
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| 13:20.42 | enouf | DARKGirl_: it;s in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:20.48 | tribbin | enouf: Hm, weird: This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/4605 |
| 13:20.49 | asdfcd | dpkg bin blobs |
| 13:20.54 | DARKGirl_ | ok cool |
| 13:20.57 | asdfcd | !dpkg bin blobs |
| 13:20.59 | EdLin | rxkaffee: If You Need To Ask You Shouldn't |
| 13:21.15 | asdfcd | !dpkg bot? |
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| 13:21.18 | EdLin | dpkg iyntays is If You Need To Ask You Shouldn't |
| 13:21.19 | dpkg | EdLin: okay |
| 13:21.33 | enouf | Paste not found. still tribbin .. for me anyways |
| 13:21.36 | PinBalWiz | I've found and solved my Samba networking problem that prevented recognition of the mount -t cifs|smbfs //<machinename>/<drive> /mnt/<machinename>/<driveletter> |
| 13:21.39 | tribbin | enouf: For me too. |
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| 13:21.43 | asdfcd | ? |
| 13:21.49 | tribbin | enouf: I did post it though and gave me the URL |
| 13:21.52 | xsdg | tribbin: good luck |
| 13:21.55 | enouf | EdLin: easy ,, she's a newb .. |
| 13:22.00 | tribbin | xsdg: tnx |
| 13:22.05 | PinBalWiz | for some reason, the Debian apt-get librarians did NOT include smbfs with apt-get install samba |
| 13:22.12 | enouf | tribbin: does anyone else see it? |
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| 13:22.19 | enouf | tribbin: do you see it? |
| 13:22.20 | EdLin | enouf: if she's a newbie she might want to run stable rather than a daily snapshot. |
| 13:22.26 | PinBalWiz | hence, one needs to apt-get install smbfs before it will run properly. |
| 13:22.29 | xsdg | enouf, tribbin: I've never had any issues with rafb.net/paste |
| 13:22.33 | PinBalWiz | which is not intuitive IMO. |
| 13:22.55 | enouf | EdLin: hehe .. yeah .. but woman want what woman want .. and she wants a 3d desktop .. let the games begin .. hehe |
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| 13:23.14 | enouf | I said that slurred .. :-o |
| 13:23.17 | tribbin | xsdg: Posted again with #4606, again, not visible. |
| 13:23.19 | pumpkin0 | PinBalWiz: Samba = server, smbfs = client. You don´t get FF together with apache, so why should samba install smbfs ? |
| 13:23.24 | EdLin | enouf: daily snapshots don't include more 3d-desktop stuff, they're for testing the installer. |
| 13:23.26 | asdfcd | p?? |
| 13:23.33 | EdLin | which remains text-mode |
| 13:23.38 | enouf | PinBalWiz: overlooking you info |
| 13:23.44 | tribbin | enouf: No I get the same message |
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| 13:24.21 | tribbin | enouf: Other pastes are not retrievable also |
| 13:24.32 | tribbin | So it's something with that server |
| 13:24.58 | tribbin | like #4603 |
| 13:25.01 | enouf | EdLin: there's no way she'll ever end up with 3D on Sarge alone .. and then you need some real experiencce to stay at sarge (or close which is unofficial and a security risk anyway) to get any 3D support |
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| 13:25.13 | admin_ | what is a program similar to "Hyperterminal" |
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| 13:25.28 | EdLin | enouf: 3d isn't in etch either.... |
| 13:25.32 | asdfcd | admin_: "Hyper Hyper"? |
| 13:25.37 | enouf | EdLin: I didn't send her a daily snapshot .. I suggested the Etch RC1 installer |
| 13:25.43 | EdLin | enouf: and one can always dist-upgrade from the sarge installer |
| 13:25.53 | EdLin | er, dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 13:26.06 | enouf | EdLin: rther's no need... just install Etch |
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| 13:26.28 | enouf | Sid is a differnet beast |
| 13:26.38 | admin_ | asdfcd: found it..its minicom |
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| 13:26.53 | asdfcd | hehe |
| 13:27.29 | EdLin | enouf: installing etch ain't impossible from sarge either, and if she can't handle dist-upgrades maybe Debian isn't the right distro for her. |
| 13:27.56 | enouf | PinBalWiz: there are several dioffpkgs available .. for many pkgs .. especially ythe larger ones |
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| 13:28.25 | enouf | EdLin: Debian is much better than an offshoot that's based on debian |
| 13:28.30 | enouf | IMHO |
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| 13:28.50 | rxkaffee | enouf: sure, but only for one reason |
| 13:28.55 | enouf | EdLin: I actually recall telling her to use expertgui mode .. so done |
| 13:29.18 | tribbin | enouf: I will consider getting a separate drive for the backups. I'm quite postitive that will fix it. |
| 13:29.23 | DARKGirl_ | i dont understand which to download |
| 13:29.28 | rxkaffee | and thats so that people can not say XXXX is not DEBIAN, gtf, go to #XXXX :P |
| 13:29.30 | DARKGirl_ | none of those files make sense |
| 13:29.35 | rxkaffee | *gtfo |
| 13:29.49 | tribbin | enouf: tnx for the help anyway. |
| 13:29.54 | tralala | DARKGirl_: you should really be running stable |
| 13:30.05 | EdLin | !d-i DARKGirl_ |
| 13:30.06 | dpkg | DARKGirl_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:30.14 | DARKGirl_ | i dont think i am |
| 13:30.31 | DARKGirl_ | i think enouf gave me the link to the 'testing' version |
| 13:30.35 | enouf | tribbin: there ya go .. and put it on a separate IDE channel .. make SURE you use 80wire/40pin cables for ALL IDE drives nowadys |
| 13:30.49 | enouf | !tell DARKGirl_ about releases |
| 13:30.56 | EdLin | DARKGirl_: the first URL above is the Sarge installer. From it you can dist-upgrade to testing |
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| 13:31.37 | tralala | DARKGirl_: do you want to be a beta tester or you just want to have software that works? |
| 13:31.41 | enouf | EdLin: I gave her 3 direct links yesterday .. and she kept flip-flopping .. she has the DVD, the CD and the netinstaller |
| 13:31.45 | cusco | after changing the repositorie sources |
| 13:31.57 | enouf | or was going to thave |
| 13:31.59 | DARKGirl_ | i want software that works, not interested in being a tester |
| 13:31.59 | PinBalWiz | Previous Debian distributions of Samba included client protocols. I am running one currently on a 2.2.x kernel. I didn't need to download anything external to the apt-get install samba package. |
| 13:32.17 | enouf | RC1 I gave her |
| 13:32.17 | tralala | DARKGirl_: than you ought to run stable and _not_ testing |
| 13:32.19 | EdLin | DARKGirl_: then you want the Sarge installer |
| 13:32.24 | DARKGirl_ | ugh |
| 13:32.30 | DARKGirl_ | reinstall, here i come |
| 13:32.30 | PinBalWiz | as I said above, I don't think bifurcating the Samba package in that way is intuitive for non-experts. |
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| 13:32.38 | enouf | ok .. I'll back out a minute .. DARKGirl_ listen to them |
| 13:32.38 | EdLin | DARKGirl_: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 13:32.39 | tralala | DARKGirl_: be sure to read the install guide |
| 13:32.45 | tralala | !ig DARKGirl_ |
| 13:32.52 | rxkaffee | aren't most(all?) of the compositing managers beta too though? |
| 13:32.54 | PinBalWiz | Most samba users, IMO, will want both server and client capability. |
| 13:32.57 | tralala | DARKGirl_, /msg dpkg ig |
| 13:32.58 | rxkaffee | and are any of them availiable for sarge? |
| 13:33.08 | enouf | DARKGirl_: tell them your 3D requirements |
| 13:33.23 | EdLin | rxkaffee: they aren't available for etch either |
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| 13:33.29 | DARKGirl_ | yah i want that cool 3D windows stuff |
| 13:33.33 | enouf | and ho you need Xorg 7.1 and AIGLX |
| 13:33.34 | DARKGirl_ | forget what its called |
| 13:33.36 | EdLin | enouf: the compositors, last time I checked, are *not* in etch. |
| 13:33.49 | rxkaffee | EdLin: I have beryl packages for etch |
| 13:33.52 | enouf | EdLin: you will never get them working in Sarge using Xfree86 |
| 13:33.54 | rxkaffee | they're not "in etch" |
| 13:33.57 | DARKGirl_ | ah ha |
| 13:33.58 | DARKGirl_ | beryl |
| 13:33.59 | rxkaffee | but there are packages for etch |
| 13:34.00 | tralala | DARKGirl_: you'll have to wait for this. It is not in debian stable, yet. |
| 13:34.01 | DARKGirl_ | thats the name of it |
| 13:34.05 | EdLin | rxkaffee: third-party repository? |
| 13:34.17 | DARKGirl_ | but it is in testing? |
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| 13:34.28 | EdLin | !info beryl |
| 13:34.32 | tralala | yes, but testing is beta software, not something that just works |
| 13:34.32 | rxkaffee | no, just individual .deb's |
| 13:34.35 | EdLin | !info beryl testing |
| 13:34.37 | liable | not in debian yet |
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| 13:34.45 | enouf | Unofficial and NOT easy from Sarge .. all the Xfree -> Xorg headaches .. wh6y bother?? |
| 13:34.48 | liable | compiz is though |
| 13:34.53 | PinBalWiz | Darkgirl, what vid card do you have? |
| 13:34.53 | scapor | hi, does someone know if and how it's possible to "merge" 2 directories. I have a structure of directories like /platz/Media with underlying "Sound" and "Video", though I have another copy of this structure now in /Media with "Sound" and "Video" as subdirs. Now I'd like to merge those both in /platz so all files in both structures should be in the new one so I can delete the other structure as it's close to a copy but there are some files les |
| 13:35.03 | enouf | Udev instead ofHotplug,. etc.. |
| 13:35.06 | DARKGirl_ | ...ok im going to install kanotix and be done with it |
| 13:35.11 | DARKGirl_ | thanks everyone |
| 13:35.17 | DARKGirl_ | *hugs* |
| 13:35.19 | enouf | DARKGirl_: please do that .. thank you |
| 13:35.26 | PinBalWiz | vid card, DarkGirl? |
| 13:35.34 | tralala | DARKGirl_: good luck |
| 13:35.39 | EdLin | enouf: if she can't handle dist-upgrading from sarge to testing, what makes you think that she can add third-party repositories? |
| 13:35.54 | PinBalWiz | anyone know what vid card she has? |
| 13:36.08 | EdLin | DARKGirl_: hope everything goes well |
| 13:36.10 | enouf | Edlin .. nothing .. I'm a lunatic .. no worries |
| 13:36.14 | tralala | PinBalWiz: /j #kanotix in a couple of days and you'll know |
| 13:36.24 | DARKGirl_ | nVidia 7800gt |
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| 13:36.33 | DARKGirl_ | i have two in Sli mode |
| 13:36.39 | rxkaffee | fancy |
| 13:36.41 | scapor | A girl in here ? Ok, that's a reason why nobody saw my question ;) |
| 13:36.55 | rxkaffee | the nvidia beta drivers should allow you to use berly and xorg without aiglx or xgl interfacing layers |
| 13:36.56 | EdLin | DARKGirl_: you've probably got enough, a GEForce3 can handle it. |
| 13:37.05 | enouf | and I want credit for bringing her in! |
| 13:37.06 | rxkaffee | *beryl |
| 13:37.07 | PinBalWiz | thanx. At least nVidia appearts to have more support than my ATI. I contacted ATI support and it was insulting. They said to ask the linux community. Grrrr... |
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| 13:37.09 | enouf | :-P |
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| 13:37.17 | tralala | scapor: your question has nothing to do with debian |
| 13:37.31 | enouf | PinBalWiz: no shit? .. haha .. sorry |
| 13:37.45 | PinBalWiz | :( |
| 13:37.45 | rxkaffee | I think with ATI you'll need aiglx |
| 13:37.57 | enouf | owns a 32MB tnt2 pro |
| 13:37.58 | liable | no |
| 13:37.59 | Phated | FFS, there are plenty of girls in here. |
| 13:38.05 | scapor | tralala: you have a point, though it's on a debian system and I know I answered this kind of questions to others too in this kind of channel. So, you'd say I'd better go to the #mv channel ? |
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| 13:38.09 | tralala | Phated: :) |
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| 13:38.23 | enouf | Phated: shhhh .. it's a secret |
| 13:38.26 | EdLin | Phated: yes, but you don't have "girl" in your nick. ;-) |
| 13:38.26 | scapor | rxkaffee: ati + aixgl doesn't work |
| 13:38.32 | tralala | scapor: #bash |
| 13:38.37 | Phated | EdLin: Heh. |
| 13:38.40 | liable | scapor: it does for older cards |
| 13:38.47 | rxkaffee | scapor: gentoo does something like that when new files are added to /etc |
| 13:38.48 | liable | scapor: not with fglrx though |
| 13:38.51 | enouf | Atten .. HUT! |
| 13:38.54 | DARKGirl_ | oh please lets not start that again. Ive been DARKGirl for YEARS |
| 13:38.56 | PinGirl | Now everyone will help me. :) |
| 13:39.05 | scapor | rxkaffee: thanks for the tip |
| 13:39.05 | enouf | PinGirl: mwahahahahaha |
| 13:39.08 | Jassossovinik | drwxrwx--- 6 root daemon 4096 2006-11-25 12:39 URL.com <== I have this folder and I want to add users in the group "www" to have write accesss to the folder without losing any other access to it. How do I do this? I feel it's something to do with chmod g+w but am fairly clueless. |
| 13:39.09 | rxkaffee | it makes renamed copies of the new ones, and then runs something that compares them to th existing files and allows interactive changes/mergers |
| 13:39.11 | Phated | DARKGirl_: Then you should know better by now :) |
| 13:39.23 | enouf | [08:37:03] PinBalWiz is now known as PinGirl ... lmao |
| 13:39.27 | DARKGirl_ | many irc channels and messageboards know me as DARKGirl |
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| 13:40.11 | Phated | Yeah yeah. |
| 13:40.11 | cast | Phated: you do realise convention dictates that we all message you, right? |
| 13:40.12 | Phated | cast: You mean to address that to DARKGirl_, not I. |
| 13:40.12 | enouf | scapor: /nick scaporgirl |
| 13:40.16 | DARKGirl_ | arrgh decisions, decisions. I am really not in the mood to fix grub again |
| 13:40.33 | scapor | enouf: no sexism, please |
| 13:40.40 | cast | grubs great. read the manual. install it. don't even have to configure it with its fancy tab completion :) |
| 13:40.44 | rxkaffee | DARKGirl_: perhaps you would be happy with ubuntu for 3d desktop support |
| 13:40.48 | enouf | scapor: how the fuck is that sexism? |
| 13:40.54 | EdLin | in this channel, "asl" stands for "apt-setup linux" |
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| 13:41.00 | gndOut | hello |
| 13:41.02 | DARKGirl_ | rxkaffee: I hate ubuntu |
| 13:41.10 | rxkaffee | DARKGirl_: the how-to's on the ubuntu website are what got 3d desktop running for me under a distro based on deb etch |
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| 13:41.29 | gnd | when I plug a USB device in the USB port, how do I know where do I mount it from? |
| 13:41.36 | Phated | gnd: read dmesg. |
| 13:41.36 | rxkaffee | so if theywork for a bastardized setup like mine, then they probably work nicely for the distro they're written |
| 13:41.41 | cast | EdLin: i insist that be changed to asg/l! |
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| 13:41.56 | gnd | well, it doesn't say, should it say something like /dev/sdb2 ? |
| 13:42.01 | rxkaffee | DARKGirl_: then why you wanting to use debian? its all the same crap |
| 13:42.11 | enouf | lshal | grep block.device .. if on etch |
| 13:42.16 | rxkaffee | just different package versions and blah blah |
| 13:42.16 | n0rus | How do I find out which deb-pkg does the "dig" command belong to? |
| 13:42.23 | asg | n0rus: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:42.35 | DARKGirl_ | does ubuntu support KDE? |
| 13:42.40 | Phated | n0rus: apt-file. |
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| 13:42.42 | rxkaffee | kubuntu does |
| 13:42.42 | asg | DARKGirl_: #kubuntu |
| 13:42.45 | Phated | DARKGirl_: Kubuntu does. |
| 13:42.46 | Jassossovinik | <gnd> when I plug a USB device in the USB port, how do I know where do I mount it from? <== "lsusb" lists usb messages, and "dmesg" will give a list of what the system has been doing recently |
| 13:42.47 | EdLin | n0rus: or use apt-file |
| 13:42.51 | n0rus | ok |
| 13:42.52 | rxkaffee | does kde support beryl though? |
| 13:42.53 | n0rus | thank you |
| 13:42.53 | tribbin | DARKGirl_: Ubuntu is not so bad, give it a shot. Install server edition, then install core graphics packages. |
| 13:42.58 | Jassossovinik | er, lists usb DEVICES not MESSAGES |
| 13:43.06 | rxkaffee | most everything I've seen for beryl is in relation to gnome or xfce4 |
| 13:43.16 | Araneidae | How do I find which package looks after a particular file? |
| 13:43.30 | pumpkin0 | Araneidae: dpkg -S filename |
| 13:43.38 | tribbin | Araneidae: aptitude |
| 13:43.42 | rxkaffee | isn't that what n0rus just asked? |
| 13:43.47 | Araneidae | Thanks very much tribbin! |
| 13:43.56 | enouf | gnd: using Etch ior Sarge |
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| 13:44.01 | Araneidae | Sorry, I meant: thanks very much pumpkin0 |
| 13:44.11 | gnd | enouf: unstable |
| 13:44.13 | tralala | gnd: if it doesn't say then you probably cannot use it. Do you run a custom kernel? |
| 13:44.23 | gnd | tralala: yes |
| 13:44.25 | enouf | gnd lshal | grep block.device .. if on etch |
| 13:44.29 | enouf | or sid |
| 13:44.54 | n0rus | dpkg -S /usr/bin/dig worked perfect |
| 13:44.55 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/dig worked perfect: Status: install ok installed |
| 13:45.07 | enouf | hehe |
| 13:45.33 | gnd | lshal command not found |
| 13:45.33 | enouf | n0rus: you triggered the bot inadvertantly .. it's fine though and funny even |
| 13:45.52 | gnd | I already have a USB HD plugged in and it works, it's on /dev/sda |
| 13:46.09 | enouf | gnd: you have Unstable and no hal? .. hrmm .. not sure whether or not to tell ya to install it .. using Udev though right? |
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| 13:46.37 | gnd | now I want to plug the second USB HD in but it's not on /dev/sdb sdc sdd ... |
| 13:46.41 | Jassossovinik | drwxrwx--- 6 root daemon 4096 2006-11-25 12:39 URL.com <== I have this folder and I want to add users in the group "www" to have write accesss to the folder without losing any other access to it. How do I do this? I feel it's something to do with chmod g+w but can't work it out. |
| 13:47.03 | enouf | gnd: well if it's mounted .. you can always sfdisk -l /dev/sd* or something .. or even df -h .. but I guess it;'s not auto-mounted so those won't help |
| 13:47.18 | enouf | gnd: is it a CD?DVD drive? |
| 13:47.26 | gnd | I'm trying to mount it by hand |
| 13:47.27 | enouf | oh HDD .. ok gnd |
| 13:47.30 | gnd | no, it's a HD |
| 13:47.41 | rxkaffee | Jassossovinik: `chown root:www URL.com` ? |
| 13:47.58 | enouf | gnd: dpkg -l hotplug udev hal and pastebin the results |
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| 13:48.52 | gnd | enouf: paste where? |
| 13:48.53 | rxkaffee | while we're on the subject of device management, is there any easy method to remove all device files that don't currently have hardware present, on a system using static /dev ? |
| 13:48.59 | rxkaffee | !pastebin |
| 13:48.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 13:49.06 | Jassossovinik | rxkaffee, and then I can add group with write like this (?): chmod g+w URL.com |
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| 13:49.21 | rxkaffee | Jassossovinik: group is alrady set to write |
| 13:49.26 | enouf | gnd www.pastebin.ca .. here's what lshal will show http://pastebin.ca/258390 |
| 13:49.28 | Jassossovinik | oh right, thanks |
| 13:49.29 | rxkaffee | Jassossovinik: you have read/write/execute set for both owner and group |
| 13:49.38 | gnd | http://pastebin.ca/258391 |
| 13:49.48 | enouf | gnd: that;'s mine obviously though .. no USB driuves are in .. but you get the idea |
| 13:49.56 | Jassossovinik | rxkaffee, does that not mean now that possibly members of group "daemon" cannot use the folder? |
| 13:49.58 | pumpkin0 | Jassossovinik: the unix-rights system works the other way round: you add users to groups, not files to groups. |
| 13:50.06 | gnd | right |
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| 13:50.37 | gnd | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/258391 |
| 13:50.40 | rxkaffee | Jassossovinik: right. though it is likely that the only daemon member is the owner of the directory |
| 13:50.43 | rxkaffee | ie. root |
| 13:50.53 | rxkaffee | the only daemon member that accesses that directory I mean |
| 13:50.56 | enouf | gnd: please ask someone who knows more about hotplug .. you habve no udev, nor hal .. check into devfs and hotplug events |
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| 13:51.16 | rxkaffee | but in any case, you can grep /etc/group for daemon and add any/all of those users to www |
| 13:51.16 | gnd | ok, thanks anyway |
| 13:51.36 | rxkaffee | isn't there even a way to include a group in another group? |
| 13:51.56 | rxkaffee | maybe not |
| 13:52.01 | enouf | gnd : i have no idea how you got to Sid/Unstable without using udev and hal |
| 13:52.22 | rxkaffee | ah crap, looks like I'd better hit the sack |
| 13:52.22 | gnd | heh, me neither |
| 13:52.25 | rxkaffee | g'night all |
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| 13:52.46 | enouf | gnd www.tldp.org has all that older information that's usually associated with 2.4 kernels |
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| 13:53.04 | enouf | gnd: still using Xfree86 ? or Xorg? |
| 13:53.24 | gnd | I do have a custom kernel and my 1st USB HD works and it's mounted from /dev/sda, my camera also works and it usually gets mounted from /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:53.30 | gnd | enouf: xorg |
| 13:53.53 | enouf | gnd .. weird .. maybe it's not a valid FS .. or you haven't loaded the modules? |
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| 13:54.12 | enouf | gnd what FS ? .. lsmod | grep <FSmodulename> |
| 13:54.16 | gnd | it is a vfat disk |
| 13:54.25 | gnd | the one already mounted is also a vfat |
| 13:54.28 | enouf | gnd: unless you have no modules installed/available |
| 13:54.44 | enouf | oh .. and what error do you get when trying various mounts |
| 13:54.46 | gnd | I do have all the modules needed to mount a vfat usb hd |
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| 13:55.14 | gnd | not a valid block device |
| 13:55.16 | enouf | gnd .. do you have an entry in /etc/fstab for the 1st drive that mounts ok? |
| 13:55.25 | gnd | cuz I don't know where to mount it from |
| 13:55.30 | gnd | yes |
| 13:55.38 | enouf | gnd .. yep .. seems many ppl are having that lately .. force a fsck maybe |
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| 13:56.24 | enouf | gnd: try another /etc/fstab entry (use any available sdX and reboot ?) |
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| 13:57.00 | gnd | I tried mount -t vfat /dev/sdX /mnt/temp |
| 13:57.14 | gnd | that should work, but I don't know what to use for /dev/sdX |
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| 13:57.22 | enouf | gnd : seems you have a frankenstein setup there |
| 13:57.40 | enouf | make up one .. use anythignavailable |
| 13:58.03 | DARKGirl | heh |
| 13:58.05 | gnd | I tried, but it's always the same error, not a valid block device |
| 13:58.24 | Techdeck | anyone have any experience with SCSI tape devices + the 'mt' program? |
| 13:58.26 | gnd | if I umount the first HD and then try to mount this one it would probably work |
| 13:58.27 | enouf | perhaps /dev/sdc maybe .. perhaps doa a MAKEDEV /dev/sdc from within /dev |
| 13:58.32 | enouf | gnd ^^ |
| 13:58.36 | DARKGirl | for some reason, the Kanotix CD didnt burn correctly |
| 13:58.42 | DARKGirl | so i am just redowinloading the distro |
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| 13:59.24 | h3sp4wn | DARKGirl: Burn DAO at a slow speed |
| 13:59.42 | DARKGirl | nonsense |
| 13:59.43 | enouf | Techdeck not I ... but man mount |
| 13:59.54 | Techdeck | you don't mount it :p |
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| 13:59.57 | enouf | Techdeck: the command is mount not mt AFAIK |
| 13:59.58 | Techdeck | and that's not my problem |
| 14:00.04 | Techdeck | it is mt |
| 14:00.09 | Techdeck | you don't mount tape devices |
| 14:00.15 | enouf | Techdeck: I'm an idiot .. thanks :-) |
| 14:00.23 | enouf | !slap enouf |
| 14:00.24 | Techdeck | nah, at first I thought it was mount too |
| 14:00.37 | Techdeck | Kevin` helped me with it but he seems afk now :s |
| 14:00.48 | EdLin | or floppy images |
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| 14:01.04 | Techdeck | lol |
| 14:01.06 | enouf | throws a bunch of 80GB backups at EdLin |
| 14:01.18 | Techdeck | EdLin, are you experienced with them then? and mt? |
| 14:01.40 | enouf | have fun searching those .. |
| 14:01.48 | EdLin | Techdeck: I'm experienced with root/boot and getting tarballs from BBSs. |
| 14:02.04 | EdLin | Techdeck: that's how I ran Linux 0.95 and early 0.99 kernels |
| 14:02.19 | EdLin | enouf: LOL |
| 14:02.25 | enouf | h3sp4wn: it's very possible she's in OSX trying tio burn |
| 14:02.33 | enouf | DARKGirl: are you in OSX? |
| 14:03.03 | enouf | not that I know if it matters or not |
| 14:03.09 | EdLin | wow, not only with "girl" in the nickname, she also has an Apple? |
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| 14:03.52 | enouf | EdLin: I think it's X86_OSX |
| 14:04.05 | EdLin | enouf: even better. ;-) |
| 14:04.07 | enouf | EdLin: I recall she said it's a PC yesterday |
| 14:04.12 | wojci | PPC ones, not the cheap trash x86. |
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| 14:04.28 | dvs | heh |
| 14:04.34 | enouf | wojci: owns a real Mac too (7200) .. sits in te closet |
| 14:04.36 | EdLin | wojci: PPC was a good architecture |
| 14:05.13 | EdLin | the problem is Intel has the fabrication plants able to outrace elegence with brute force. |
| 14:05.14 | enouf | just reading some IBM docs about POWER5 .. IINM |
| 14:05.44 | enouf | yep .. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-powasm1.html |
| 14:05.45 | wojci | I considered buying a power5 workstation, but they are very expensive. |
| 14:05.46 | dvs | enouf: Yeha, but who uses it now? |
| 14:05.51 | EdLin | I always liked Motorolla (and IBM's clones) chips better than Intel. |
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| 14:05.57 | enouf | dvs no friggin clue |
| 14:06.22 | EdLin | wojci: Alpha workstations are still better, and a heck of a lot cheaper. |
| 14:06.38 | EdLin | wojci: except of course Alpha-for-NT workstations. (Barf) |
| 14:06.38 | wojci | EdLin, But slow, I believe. |
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| 14:07.07 | EdLin | wojci: per-megahertz alphas are *very* fast. |
| 14:07.21 | enouf | dvs just one of those things I stunmble across and give a glance :-) |
| 14:09.18 | wojci | EdLin, Is HP still making them or are they retired? |
| 14:09.36 | wojci | EdLin, I just expect them to be as expensive as the IBM workstations. |
| 14:09.38 | enouf | needs just 2 more components to complete a all new amd3000 system .. ugh I'm lazy(hence the Mac in the closet, not to mention room/space) .. and busy |
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| 14:10.21 | EdLin | wojci: I think I read somewhere that the last Alpha chip has been developed now, I don't know if they are selling new ones. |
| 14:10.45 | EdLin | (new ones i.e. existing ones) |
| 14:10.57 | wojci | EdLin, I wanted a quiet workstation, so I bought another mini. Its enough for now. |
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| 14:11.24 | Habbie | what irc-channel is suitable for questions about dh_pysupport? |
| 14:11.29 | EdLin | wojci: how well do minis perform? |
| 14:11.45 | EdLin | wojci: my main barrier to getting new computers is living space. |
| 14:11.54 | wojci | EdLin, The first one is my gateway, running the whole time. Never have a problem with it. Quiet too. |
| 14:12.12 | Habbie | dh_pysupport leaves my usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/<packagename> lying around as an empty directory, any suggested fixes/workarounds? ( http://paste-it.net/643 ) |
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| 14:12.34 | wojci | EdLin, The second mini is not fast or anything, but enough for building my bittorrent daemon once in a while and for browsing and ircing. |
| 14:13.01 | wojci | EdLin, And I can actually sleep while its on. Thats impossible with my p4 system. |
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| 14:13.05 | EdLin | wojci: do they run GNU/Linux or OS X? |
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| 14:13.23 | EdLin | wojci: I don't have that problem, I'm a deep sleeper. |
| 14:13.37 | wojci | EdLin, I do not use osx. |
| 14:13.49 | tralala | wojci: I can sleep in a server room without any trouble |
| 14:13.51 | wojci | OSX is a waste of cpu cycles. |
| 14:14.00 | tralala | !praise me |
| 14:14.02 | EdLin | wojci: I have a P4 1.7GHz, it warms the room, and is right next to my bed. |
| 14:14.11 | wojci | EdLin, Hahah. |
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| 14:18.55 | Habbie | the only bit i could take offense to is your -assumption- without -trying- it ;) |
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| 14:19.24 | EdLin | Habbie: making assumptions? Little things like that never stopped *me* before! |
| 14:19.40 | Habbie | assumption and prejudice are vital to survival :) |
| 14:19.44 | cast | Phated: shame it's not Free, though. |
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| 14:20.36 | EdLin | cast: GNUstep (which I *have* tried and found interesting..) |
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| 14:21.25 | Phated | cast: Yeah, but if I cared about -everything- being Free, I wouldn't use contrib and non-free repos :) |
| 14:24.52 | cast | hmm. what worthwhile is in contrib and non-free, at anyrate? |
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| 14:27.23 | Phated | The nvidia drivers that I can use with m-a a-i nvidia ;) |
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| 14:28.22 | Jassossovinik | drwxr-xr-x 9 james www 1360 2006-11-24 10:25 pa <=== how do I enable users to write to this dir? Do i need to add them to group "www" and then to enable group write with chmod g+w? |
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| 14:31.40 | asg | Jassossovinik: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 14:34.02 | itchi | How fast should an scp go over an 10/100 network? |
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| 14:34.12 | Habbie | depends on your CPUs |
| 14:34.23 | war95 | itchi: use NFS or FTP if you need speed |
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| 14:34.30 | war95 | itchi: I see 20-35MB/s |
| 14:34.31 | war95 | itchi: with SCP |
| 14:34.35 | itchi | Habbie: 1.8GHz and a dou 1.6GHz |
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| 14:34.48 | war95 | itchi: with FTP/NFS, 90-120MB/s |
| 14:34.55 | itchi | Yeah, 2.9 max here |
| 14:35.06 | itchi | MB! |
| 14:35.09 | Habbie | itchi, and if you add -c 3des |
| 14:35.10 | Habbie | ? |
| 14:35.14 | itchi | There should be a problem |
| 14:35.19 | war95 | itchi: 2.9mb/s? |
| 14:35.22 | war95 | itchi: that is horrible |
| 14:35.24 | Habbie | or -o 'Compression None' |
| 14:35.31 | itchi | Habbie: I need to wait, he copy near 5GB data right now |
| 14:35.35 | Habbie | ok |
| 14:35.44 | cast | blowfish will give your scp a noticable performance boost i suspect though |
| 14:35.48 | itchi | Or maybe can i cancel? |
| 14:36.09 | itchi | Average is 1.2MB woooaaa |
| 14:36.33 | itchi | Okay, just ctrl+c |
| 14:36.42 | Habbie | oh, i meant -c blowfish, indeed |
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| 14:38.09 | cast | if its a single file then using netcat [with pv or cstream if you want speed measurements||throttling] is an idea too. i do it for single file transfers alot :) |
| 14:38.14 | itchi | Habbie: scp -c -r * ip:~/foo ?? |
| 14:38.32 | itchi | I have a lot of files :-) |
| 14:38.36 | cast | [or multifile, just use tar |
| 14:38.54 | Habbie | itchi, -c blowfish |
| 14:39.04 | Habbie | itchi, with otherwise same arguments |
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| 14:39.29 | blondie | chocolate moose |
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| 14:39.54 | CharminTheMoose | mm chocolate mooses |
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| 14:40.18 | Habbie | any package-validation tips besides lintian -i -I ? |
| 14:40.55 | cast | ahh. tar cv downloads/|nc -q 0 -l -p 1234 localhost on sender, nc localhost 1234|tar xv on reciever. if anyones wondering :) |
| 14:40.58 | itchi | Habbie: Is a little bit faster or some it's looks. These files i have are many compressed files. I dunno if this matters |
| 14:41.18 | asdfcd | it looks like debian is obsolete |
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| 14:41.29 | dvs | o_O |
| 14:41.38 | cast | asdfcd: it sure is. |
| 14:41.46 | Habbie | itchi, try adding -o 'Compression None' |
| 14:41.54 | asdfcd | cast: thats what i thought.. |
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| 14:41.56 | wojci | 6622makaka |
| 14:42.09 | wojci | Oops |
| 14:42.27 | cast | asdfcd: what renders debian obsolete anyway? |
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| 14:42.49 | PinBalWiz | back...finally! :( |
| 14:43.11 | asdfcd | cast: the democratur with puppets! |
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| 14:43.36 | PinBalWiz | pumpkin, et al, mentioned something about 'FF' not being included with the apache package as an argument to why smbfs shouldn't be included with Debian's samba package. What does 'FF' stand for? I'm not familiar. |
| 14:43.55 | asg | PinBalWiz: firefox |
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| 14:44.18 | smhar | what is the name of the package of the kernel source for the 2.6.17 |
| 14:44.44 | PinBalWiz | sarge? |
| 14:44.53 | cast | smhar: probably something like linux-source-2.6.17 |
| 14:44.53 | PinBalWiz | etch? |
| 14:44.55 | PinBalWiz | sid? |
| 14:44.56 | liable | smhar: aptitude search linux-source |
| 14:45.14 | Habbie | can i tell debhelper to read my doc/LICENSE instead of debian/copyright ? |
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| 14:45.43 | asdfcd | smhar: linux-source-2.6.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.17 with illegal Debian stuff |
| 14:46.36 | itchi | Habbie: It should be scp -o 'Compression'=no -r * ip:~/foo it's looks. But looks the same speed. Just some time the average is then between 2/3 |
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| 14:47.35 | itchi | Is kinda slow i find |
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| 14:49.21 | itchi | Maybe my network cable out of order, he looks a bit out |
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| 14:49.53 | asg | itchi: definitely check the duplex settings on both ends; force them to 100 full if you have to |
| 14:50.19 | itchi | asg: With wich tool can i check that? |
| 14:50.40 | asg | itchi: ethtool, mii-tool, mii-diag |
| 14:50.48 | itchi | asg: Thanks |
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| 14:51.39 | C2H5OH | hi |
| 14:51.42 | smhar | ok.. when apt-get updating, I am getting many errors regarding source file and stuff.. so I am thinking of getting sources.list done again, someone told me about netselect but it seems that I need to tel it the servers inorder to work, is there a better way |
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| 14:52.01 | C2H5OH | is anyone having random problems when programming with gtk in debian? |
| 14:52.03 | PinBalWiz | itchi, do you know what package pumpkin was referring to when he mentioned 'FF' in the context of Apache? |
| 14:52.42 | PDani_ | hi |
| 14:53.03 | itchi | PinBalWiz: I have not pay attention too |
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| 14:53.36 | itchi | PinBalWiz: Which hour was that? |
| 14:54.00 | PinBalWiz | itchi, did you know that apt-get install samba doesn't include smbfs, which is needed to mount -t cifs ? |
| 14:54.32 | CharminTheMoose | i've made a small root/bootdisk and when i get to runlevel 2 and type root as my username it spews out:/bin/bash:no such file or directory but i do have /bin/bash,what happened? |
| 14:55.13 | itchi | PinBalWiz: Just install smbfs?? |
| 14:55.14 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: you can't have chocolate moose... that would be cannibalism |
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| 14:55.25 | plutonas | i want to make some backups using tar, i want to backup my ~ but exclude some directories. How can i do that? |
| 14:56.14 | itchi | plutonas: Have you try tar --help ? |
| 14:56.29 | plutonas | yes |
| 14:56.36 | plutonas | and man tar |
| 14:57.02 | plutonas | there is an --exclude option but it works only on some of the directories i want to exclude |
| 14:57.52 | plutonas | and there is the -X option too, i created a file called exclude_files and then gave -X exclude_files at tar |
| 14:58.20 | plutonas | but again it does exclude only some of the directories listed in the file |
| 14:58.35 | plutonas | i dont know why. is there a smarter way? |
| 14:58.49 | EdLin | plutonas: maybe "find" has options that will help |
| 14:58.58 | smhar | when apt-get update, I keep getting 'couldn't stat source package list' what is the problem? |
| 14:59.14 | CharminTheMoose | i've made a small root/bootdisk and when i get to runlevel 2 and type root as my username it spews out:/bin/bash:no such file or directory but i do have /bin/bash. This is the root line in /etc/passwd: root::0:0:Super User:/root:/bin/bash |
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| 14:59.59 | EdLin | CharminTheMoose: and this has what to do with Debian? |
| 15:01.09 | CharminTheMoose | where would you suggest i ask EdLin? |
| 15:01.22 | EdLin | CharminTheMoose: /j ##linux perhaps |
| 15:01.39 | EdLin | CharminTheMoose: this channel is for supporting Debian, not anything running a Linux kernel |
| 15:02.15 | CharminTheMoose | ok i'll try there... |
| 15:02.54 | smhar | when apt-get update, I keep getting 'couldn't stat source package list, although the same sources were working before, what is the problem? |
| 15:02.58 | EdLin | CharminTheMoose: good luck |
| 15:04.03 | itchi | smhar: Tryout with another mirror ? |
| 15:04.24 | itchi | smhar: Maybe the mirror down |
| 15:04.56 | EdLin | smhar: I had problems with ftp.us.debian.org recently. |
| 15:05.09 | plutonas | EdLin: how could i give as an argument all the files that start with . |
| 15:05.10 | EdLin | smhar: mirrors.kernel.org is working fine |
| 15:05.17 | plutonas | .*doesnt work |
| 15:05.25 | plutonas | nor ./.* |
| 15:05.42 | plutonas | it takes all the files again as argument |
| 15:05.54 | EdLin | plutonas: maybe you need a backslash to escape it |
| 15:06.13 | plutonas | what do you mean? |
| 15:06.19 | plutonas | escape what? |
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| 15:06.40 | plutonas | i want only the files that start with . |
| 15:06.44 | EdLin | plutonas: escape a character significant for globs or regular expressions |
| 15:06.55 | smhar | itchiI am having problems even with http.us.debian.org |
| 15:07.10 | EdLin | plutonas: yes, and "." means something as a wildcard. Escape it, and let me know if that works. |
| 15:07.22 | plutonas | ah |
| 15:07.42 | plutonas | you mean \.* for exaample? |
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| 15:07.57 | EdLin | plutonas: I think that's correct |
| 15:07.58 | itchi | smhar: Have you an firewall that block the stuff? |
| 15:08.15 | smhar | itchi: no |
| 15:08.27 | smhar | itchi: I guess ! |
| 15:08.35 | smhar | itchi: let me check |
| 15:08.36 | itchi | smhar: heh |
| 15:08.56 | smhar | itchi: it's been a while :-) |
| 15:09.51 | plutonas | EdLin: nope i gave: tar cvSpfz backup-hidden.tar.gz \.* but it still also accesed non-hidden files |
| 15:10.24 | Habbie | any people with debian packaging experience willing to give me comments/rants on http://pit.paste-it.net/hg/pit/?mf=3def640d4bb0;path=/debian/;style=gitweb |
| 15:10.29 | itchi | smhar: If you need to check if there is an firewall, it can take some time ;-) Like there are many differents one that could be are installed :-) |
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| 15:11.29 | EdLin | plutonas: hmmm |
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| 15:11.31 | Jassossovinik | plutonas, try something along the lines of (and i can't remember syntax): find /dir/ -name *. {exec tar cvSpfz {} } |
| 15:11.48 | Jassossovinik | (i.e. use a find command and execute your command on the results of the find command) |
| 15:12.05 | Jassossovinik | (and that syntax is DEF wrong and will screw up) |
| 15:12.40 | asdfcd | hey this is full of spyware.. shit |
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| 15:12.46 | asdfcd | debian sux |
| 15:12.47 | plutonas | ok Jassossovinik, i will try |
| 15:12.55 | Ronin | uhh ok asdfcd whatever |
| 15:13.01 | plutonas | asdfcd: sure it does |
| 15:13.11 | Jassossovinik | asdfcd, do you even know what spyware is... |
| 15:13.12 | felipefg | lol |
| 15:13.13 | plutonas | computers suck! |
| 15:13.21 | asdfcd | how should i kno Jassossovinik |
| 15:13.23 | asdfcd | ? |
| 15:13.29 | plutonas | what are you doing here asdfcd ??? |
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| 15:13.34 | Ronin | how should you know what asdfcd ? |
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| 15:13.54 | asdfcd | plutonas: its troll-time |
| 15:14.02 | asdfcd | Ronin: anythin |
| 15:14.08 | xingu | plutonas: ls -a /my/root | egrep -v '^/my/root/(exclude1|exclude2)' >/tmp/my-root.idx && tar cpf /tmp/my-root.tar -I /tmp/my-root.idx |
| 15:14.09 | EdLin | plutonas: try using single quotes around your wildcards, you might not even need to use find if you're using GNU tar (which you are). This according to Unix Power Tools |
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| 15:15.08 | asdfcd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.12 | Phated | plutonas: Eh, hate to be a pedant, but shouldn't f always be the last option to tar? Also, if I do "tar cvzf dotfiles.tgz \.*", it works. |
| 15:16.16 | plutonas | xingu: do you want to explain? |
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| 15:17.01 | EdLin | plutonas: you don't have to do anything like that with GNU tar I think. |
| 15:17.36 | plutonas | Phated: maybe you are right, the z wasnt in the book i found the command in |
| 15:17.42 | smhar | ok.. now that I apt-get installed the kernel source for 2.6.17, where can I find it? |
| 15:17.46 | Phated | plutonas: the z has nothing to do with it. |
| 15:17.50 | plutonas | i will try again |
| 15:17.57 | plutonas | i mean that f was last |
| 15:17.58 | asdfcd | http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ ¦ http://www.myflathost.net/download.php?id=1F41FA9C |
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| 15:18.08 | Phated | plutonas: If you just was a tgz of all the hidden files, I recommend the command I used. |
| 15:18.17 | Phated | s/was/want/ |
| 15:18.18 | khaleel | hi everyone ........i have deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main <--- this line in my source list , its my source.list..... i wanna browse debian etch's repo my self (like see all the programmes that are there my self via firefox or konqueror |
| 15:18.23 | plutonas | and i inserted z to compress on the end... |
| 15:18.25 | khaleel | how do i go about? |
| 15:18.44 | xingu | plutonas: controlling inclusion/ exclusion with tar gets too complex/ fragile too quickly; much better to just create a list of path-roots you intend to include all files from |
| 15:18.48 | EdLin | plutonas: put the z before the f |
| 15:18.49 | Phated | plutonas: f needs to be last, because the argument to f will be the filename for it - so you're likely to end up with a file called z ;) |
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| 15:19.52 | plutonas | Phated: i see, i try your command |
| 15:19.57 | asdfcd | khaleel: kannst ja auf http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ gehn.. oda packages.debian.org oda du benuetzt adept oda so.. |
| 15:19.58 | plutonas | lets hope it will work |
| 15:20.07 | xingu | plutonas: ... and then use the -I directive to include them; as a fringe benefit, you then have a catalogue of the result |
| 15:20.20 | Phated | plutonas: <shrug> just watch the output carefully, the fules being put in the tarball should all be your dotfiles. |
| 15:20.34 | plutonas | Phated: no |
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| 15:20.39 | plutonas | its wrong again |
| 15:20.40 | asdfcd | khaleel: hab di evtl. falsch verstande.. |
| 15:20.50 | khaleel | asdfcd, khaleel: kannst ja auf http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ gehn.. oda packages.debian.org oda du benuetzt adept oda so.. ,<-- In english , sindhi , urdu or siraike pleasE? |
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| 15:21.03 | plutonas | look there are some files like: |
| 15:21.08 | plutonas | ./.gimp-2.2/menurc |
| 15:21.08 | plutonas | ./.gimp-2.2/sessionrc |
| 15:21.09 | EdLin | plutonas: use single quotes (') around the wildcard |
| 15:21.14 | plutonas | which are dotfiles |
| 15:21.20 | Phated | Ah! |
| 15:21.30 | MatBoy | How easy to manage is Xen comparing it to Vmware Server ? |
| 15:21.40 | plutonas | but there also are files like this: |
| 15:21.41 | Phated | plutonas: Ehm, those are technically dotfiles - that's a hidden directory. |
| 15:21.44 | plutonas | ./UNI/older/MEM1/Solutions1.pdf |
| 15:21.50 | asdfcd | khaleel: aha.. so why r u usin the german sources? |
| 15:21.52 | Phated | plutonas: But yes, I know that's wrong. I didn't watch -my- output carefully. |
| 15:21.54 | plutonas | which are not |
| 15:22.02 | Phated | plutonas: My bad. Try the quotes. |
| 15:22.02 | EdLin | !u |
| 15:22.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:22.05 | mr_daniel | I want to set up my wlan, the problem is: at home I am NOT using dhcp, but my university (and other public access-point) are using DHCP |
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| 15:22.16 | EdLin | !r |
| 15:22.16 | dpkg | i guess r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 15:22.28 | asdfcd | dpkg u kno $hit |
| 15:22.29 | plutonas | Phated: EdLin how should i quote exactly? |
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| 15:22.50 | asdfcd | !u |
| 15:22.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:22.54 | asdfcd | !kno |
| 15:22.59 | EdLin | plutonas: single quotes, double quotes will not stop the expansion |
| 15:23.00 | Phated | !ops asdfcd is a moron |
| 15:23.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: phated complains about: asdfcd is a moron |
| 15:23.01 | mr_daniel | the problem is: the /etc/network/interfaces doesn't seem to be desigend fpr mobilty |
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| 15:23.08 | asdfcd | !google |
| 15:23.09 | dpkg | well, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 15:23.19 | Phated | Oh, of all the fucking times for the ops to run off. |
| 15:23.26 | mr_daniel | because of the line 'ifaces ethX inet STATIC/DHCP' |
| 15:23.28 | Habbie | (there is no url in that !google response.) |
| 15:23.35 | asdfcd | !canonical |
| 15:23.35 | plutonas | EdLin: yes single, but how? '.*' <-------- like that? |
| 15:23.41 | Phated | (habbie: add it) |
| 15:23.44 | asdfcd | !ubuntu |
| 15:23.44 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 15:23.50 | Habbie | Phated, how? |
| 15:23.52 | EdLin | plutonas: bingo |
| 15:23.54 | Phated | Habbie: Hahahaha :) |
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| 15:23.59 | Phated | Habbie: Watch and learn. |
| 15:24.05 | asdfcd | !linus |
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| 15:24.06 | dpkg | linus is, like, The Man. or mistaken for the OS or our savior, or someone who pushes to have procfs replace sysctl, despite the fact for programs this makes things significantly slower. someone that doesn't comment, or at http://revolution-os.com/images/linus_at_linuxworld.jpg |
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| 15:24.09 | mr_daniel | I want that my debian automatically connects to the nearest acces-point. how I have to confiugre my wlan? |
| 15:24.13 | Phated | Habbie: Er... there IS ;) |
| 15:24.17 | itchi | haha cleaning yeaaah8 :-) |
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| 15:24.21 | Phated | Habbie: The last work :) |
| 15:24.25 | plutonas | plutonas@debian:~$ tar cvSpzf backup-hidden.tar.gz '.*' |
| 15:24.26 | Phated | s/work/word/ |
| 15:24.28 | Habbie | Phated, no, there isn't, http://www.google.com is not a valid URL :) |
| 15:24.29 | plutonas | tar: .*: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 15:24.29 | plutonas | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 15:24.33 | EdLin | mendred: thanks |
| 15:24.39 | xingu | plutonas: for the problem subset you're grappling with - tar cpf dotfiles.tar `ls -d .[^.]*` |
| 15:24.51 | xingu | plutonas: which is probably the minimal solve. |
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| 15:24.54 | Phated | Habbie: Er, wanna fuckoff? It -works- for anyone who will try to copy/paste it. |
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| 15:25.14 | mendred | Edlin: ? |
| 15:25.15 | Phated | Habbie: And if you're so clever about valid urls, do valid-url search on how to edit a blootbot's factoids. |
| 15:25.23 | plutonas | thx xingu will try |
| 15:25.31 | EdLin | mendred: sorry, I meant mentor |
| 15:25.44 | mendred | Edlin: lol k :) |
| 15:25.46 | Phated | !beers mendred |
| 15:25.48 | Phated | AH! |
| 15:25.51 | Phated | !beer mentor |
| 15:26.01 | mentor | Technically, one does need the trailing slash in a URI |
| 15:26.01 | Phated | Fucking last-active nicks in irssi :) |
| 15:26.04 | plutonas | xingu: seems to work... |
| 15:26.08 | mentor | s/a/that/ |
| 15:26.13 | Phated | Yeh, but who cares, modern browsers chuck'em on. |
| 15:26.14 | xingu | of course it does. :) |
| 15:26.27 | Phated | mentor: "Technicthatlly"? |
| 15:26.37 | Phated | *runaway* |
| 15:26.56 | mentor | Phthated: yes |
| 15:27.09 | Phated | *grin* |
| 15:27.13 | Habbie | modern browsers will even tolerate just 'google' without http://, www or com :) |
| 15:27.28 | xingu | plutonas: but you really want to learn how to build a list of path-roots (my/dir1, my/dir2/path1, ...) using fileutils/findutils, then post-process (chop and order) it with textutils, and finally include it with -I |
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| 15:27.49 | EdLin | Habbie: half the web's problems are from modern browsers tolerating things. |
| 15:28.06 | xingu | plutonas: because one day the question will be "ok, how do I automate snapshots in a reproducible fashion" |
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| 15:28.22 | Habbie | EdLin, correct |
| 15:28.24 | L4ger | hi folks. For Conky I probably must make my syslog for normal users readable. Is this a security problem? |
| 15:28.31 | plutonas | xingu: how did you learn all that stuff? i mean, is there a book or something, or just with practice? I worte your first command down... |
| 15:28.39 | plutonas | i will study it too |
| 15:28.42 | xingu | plutonas: and at that point simple tricks with wildcard expansion and ls/ character classes will not suffice |
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| 15:28.51 | xingu | plutonas: experience |
| 15:28.59 | rhalff | hm can I use a dvd to burn a cd image ? |
| 15:29.20 | Phated | plutonas: There are loads of books on this sort of small stuff - the Linux Cookbook by No Starch Press is good. |
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| 15:29.28 | plutonas | xingu: yes but to get experience, you have the stuff somewhere first |
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| 15:29.39 | rhalff | I mean can I use dvd writable to burn a cd iso |
| 15:30.13 | xingu | plutonas: personally, I got tipped in the deep end, my first day on the job was dispatched to site with a replacement disk and a backup tape to restore |
| 15:30.15 | plutonas | Phated: thx i will take a look too. i read the debian bible at the moment... |
| 15:30.29 | xingu | plutonas: that was a long day. :) |
| 15:30.36 | plutonas | i see |
| 15:30.41 | plutonas | :) |
| 15:30.48 | plutonas | maybe i should learn this way too |
| 15:30.58 | Phated | plutonas: That's not bad, but that does through too much of "this is how you use a shell". The Linux Cookbook is a series of small things to do and how. |
| 15:31.00 | plutonas | the hard way is sometimes better |
| 15:31.10 | EdLin | plutonas: I've found "Unix Power Tools" (not to be confused with the Linux book by that name) to be helpful. Also books and online docs on shell scripting |
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| 15:31.29 | Habbie | unix power tools is absolutely awesome |
| 15:31.33 | Habbie | i re-read it every few years |
| 15:31.35 | Habbie | back-toback |
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| 15:32.20 | EdLin | Habbie: yeah, wisdom from O'Reily and Usenet before the eternal September |
| 15:32.27 | Habbie | :) |
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| 15:32.43 | plutonas | well maybe i take the unix power tools for christmas |
| 15:33.06 | plutonas | thank you guys, i have been trying to do this for 4 hours :) |
| 15:33.13 | EdLin | plutonas: the main drawback is it's a bit pricey, but it's a lot better than any of the cheaper books |
| 15:33.54 | Phated | (Bash Scripting Howto)++ |
| 15:33.55 | plutonas | EdLin: i will take a look at the price here... hope its not too much |
| 15:34.23 | EdLin | plutonas: in the meantime check out docs on shell scripting from tldp |
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| 15:34.30 | EdLin | plutonas: you can apt-get most of those too |
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| 15:36.17 | Phated | Aaaaugh, I have modprobed the nvidia module, -why- is it not showing up in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 15:36.59 | EdLin | Phated: that's what you get for trying to use naughty closed-source kernel modules. ;-) |
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| 15:37.48 | Phated | EdLin: Fuckoff, you know exactly what I mean. |
| 15:37.55 | blackelf | hello |
| 15:38.36 | EdLin | Phated: sorry if I bugged you.... |
| 15:38.55 | Phated | EdLin: Well, append a smiley to that, it's not failed me before :( |
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| 15:38.59 | blackelf | what program you might reccomend to store logs of suspecious network activity |
| 15:39.04 | blackelf | snort? |
| 15:39.30 | blackelf | I want something easy to install that will record text browsable logs of connections to (and from) computer |
| 15:40.09 | Dunedan | Does somebody know how to toggle the fn-key on startup? |
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| 15:42.11 | plutonas | the unix power tools is the one with a black-n-decker on the cover? |
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| 15:42.27 | EdLin | plutonas: yep |
| 15:42.45 | plutonas | i found it: 63 euros |
| 15:43.03 | plutonas | i could afford it if you say it is worth |
| 15:43.18 | liable | yikes |
| 15:43.21 | plutonas | although there are cheaper unix books... |
| 15:43.48 | plutonas | i will think of it |
| 15:44.09 | EdLin | liable: every serious user of *nix should have that one, and it quotes so much from other O'Reily books that it actually saves you money. :-) |
| 15:45.23 | liable | EdLin: not saying it isnt a good book, but 63 euro is very expensive |
| 15:45.29 | xingu | blackelf: it's not exactly the question you asked, but take a look at splunk.com |
| 15:45.44 | EdLin | liable: yes, I'd mentioned that its not cheap |
| 15:46.09 | plutonas | well it has more than 1100 pages |
| 15:46.36 | plutonas | the price per page is not so much |
| 15:46.41 | plutonas | :P |
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| 15:47.26 | EdLin | plutonas: read it, and become a guru. ;-) |
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| 15:48.02 | plutonas | EdLin: will i if i read it? |
| 15:48.13 | plutonas | :) |
| 15:48.21 | EdLin | plutonas: sure |
| 15:48.28 | amee2k | i have a 3.1 Testing system. how do i downgrade to Stable? |
| 15:48.36 | EdLin | plutonas: you won't know *everything* though, for that you need to spend time on #debian |
| 15:48.41 | EdLin | ;-) |
| 15:48.48 | EdLin | amee2k: stable is 3.1 |
| 15:48.55 | EdLin | amee2k: and downgrading doesn't work, BTW |
| 15:49.08 | blackelf | how to make a file unmutable? |
| 15:49.23 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: "chmod -w file" ? |
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| 15:49.36 | plutonas | ;-) i am at #debian the most time of the day although, i dont follow very much the conversations |
| 15:49.37 | EdLin | blackelf: man chattr |
| 15:49.38 | amee2k | hm.. |
| 15:49.44 | blackelf | pumpkin0: irkite: it have some speciall needs to work? like file system, kernel? what about chattr is it the same thing> |
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| 15:50.09 | amee2k | well, at least it is 'testing', is there no way to get back to stable? |
| 15:50.19 | enouf | Edlin yeah like how to get the Sarge installer to recognize all the hardware found in a SLI system :-P |
| 15:50.26 | EdLin | amee2k: no *reliable* way back |
| 15:50.31 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: chmod works with every linux-fs (not vfat). |
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| 15:50.33 | EdLin | !tell amee2k about downgrading |
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| 15:51.26 | amee2k | :( |
| 15:52.14 | perlmonk | amee2k, Well, don't update nothing until the next stable release, modify your sources.list at that point and dist-upgrade.... should do it, unless a package you actually use won't be upgraded in the next stable version... |
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| 15:52.26 | perlmonk | ...if you are patient :) |
| 15:52.27 | unlink_ | i installed the man distribution...but i still don't seem to have man pages |
| 15:52.30 | EdLin | blackelf: chmod is fine if all you need is read-only. If you want "immutable" though you'll need chattr and only on certain filesystems |
| 15:52.33 | unlink_ | er, mis |
| 15:53.05 | EdLin | unlink: do you have manpages-dev installed? |
| 15:53.18 | unlink | EdLin: wrong channel |
| 15:53.23 | zmutte | heya, I recently installed ssl-mod and set up certificates for my apache2 install but I have some issues with it now, everytime the computer reboots I have to write in the password for the cert-keys, but the problem is that I dont allways have access to the computer and is there any way to write the password remotely? |
| 15:53.32 | unlink | EdLin: (intended for ##freebsd) |
| 15:53.32 | enouf | amee2k: update is great .. just don't upgrade .. so atleast you cache searches stay up to date ... |
| 15:53.32 | perlmonk | unlink, what shell do you use ? |
| 15:54.04 | perlmonk | unlink, still, type rehash |
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| 15:54.11 | EdLin | unlink: Oh, that means you have manpages that suck less. :-) |
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| 15:54.27 | unlink | perlmonk: bash |
| 15:54.32 | perlmonk | ah |
| 15:54.38 | perlmonk | then ask in ##freebsd |
| 15:54.40 | unlink | not csh ;) |
| 15:54.43 | perlmonk | :P |
| 15:54.44 | unlink | well of course |
| 15:54.46 | unlink | :p |
| 15:55.02 | unlink | sysinstall's a tricky mother. |
| 15:55.19 | unlink | reminds me of slackware's pkgtool |
| 15:56.03 | badcookie | I need to know what should i do so as the Allow from of apache takes a ip list from a file |
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| 15:56.25 | h3sp4wn | Is debian/kfreebsd based on freebsd current ? (anyone tried getting the xen stuff working on it - if its based on current the newbus stuff should be in so it should be ok right ?) |
| 15:57.02 | EdLin | h3sp4wn: it uses a combination of FreeBSD kernel and glibc. |
| 15:57.33 | unlink | perlmonk: just realized, i had a funky MANPATH |
| 15:57.36 | unlink | you were close. |
| 15:57.39 | h3sp4wn | EdLin: I know but is it based on freebsd stable or current ? |
| 15:57.52 | teledyn | zmutte: yes its in the apache docs |
| 15:58.19 | EdLin | h3sp4wn: I don't know, tarzeau would know. |
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| 15:58.28 | badcookie | pleae, I need to know what should i do so as the Allow from of apache takes a ip list from a file |
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| 15:59.09 | Habbie | badcookie, .htaccess is a file; i'm not aware of any include mechanisms for IP numbers there |
| 16:00.26 | xingu | badcookie: apache supports config include directives, the acl's are config stanzas, a proforma template and a sed script gets you an includable acl from a list of ip addresses |
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| 16:02.12 | paroneayea | so... my user is in the scanner group. When I run xsane as root, I'm able to detect the scanner, but not when I run it as a normal user. Anyone know why this might be? |
| 16:02.17 | badcookie | xingu: thanks! |
| 16:03.04 | cusco | dudes |
| 16:03.13 | cusco | is it safe to get apache 2.2 running on testing? |
| 16:03.57 | Eulex | apache 2.2 is in testing... |
| 16:04.31 | cusco | right |
| 16:04.43 | cusco | last time I did I had to refer back to snapshots.debian.org to rollback to 2.0.54 or something |
| 16:04.58 | cusco | something related of me using kernel 2.4 |
| 16:05.06 | cusco | and something to do with the php.... |
| 16:05.08 | tralala | cusco: generally it's not safe to run testing |
| 16:05.14 | cusco | thats fair enough |
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| 16:05.26 | xingu | I was going to say, "safe" is an interesting metric to choose |
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| 16:05.56 | xingu | yes, it's definitely somewhere between six and ten safe** |
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| 16:06.43 | jelly-home | on a scale from 1-aleph0? |
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| 16:07.15 | EdLin | it's definitely not a good idea to run 2.4 kernels with testing, because testing doesn't support that kernel - which may mean certain packages use features not in the 2.4 kernel |
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| 16:08.04 | EdLin | !jelly-home++ |
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| 16:09.10 | amee2k | tasksel of testing == base-config of stable ? |
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| 16:09.28 | EdLin | amee2k: no, not really |
| 16:09.58 | Dunedan | He guys: What's the complement to Gentoos /etc/conf.d/local.start under Debian? |
| 16:09.59 | asg | amee2k: base-config has been incorporated into the installer for etch |
| 16:10.14 | asg | Dunedan: what does that file do on Gentoo? |
| 16:10.18 | amee2k | how can i get base-config on testing? |
| 16:10.35 | plutonas | EdLin: i think i wont buy the book... It's this one right? ------------------------> http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/unix/upt/index.htm |
| 16:10.45 | asg | amee2k: you can't. It would help if you would let us know what you are trying to do on testing that you can't without base-config |
| 16:10.46 | amee2k | base-config in apt is only a dummy package according to the description |
| 16:10.54 | pumpkin0 | Dunedan: ehm .... what does local.start do ? |
| 16:11.15 | Dunedan | asg: it executes arbitary commands. Like "rmmod usbhid" |
| 16:11.21 | amee2k | setting up debian. i'm somewhat used to base-config |
| 16:11.22 | asg | Dunedan: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 16:11.29 | Dunedan | thx |
| 16:11.43 | asg | amee2k: well, you are going to have to get used to another way of doing things. |
| 16:11.59 | amee2k | so there is no replacement for base-config? |
| 16:12.04 | asg | no |
| 16:12.07 | amee2k | :( |
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| 16:13.18 | asg | amee2k: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 (covers how to manually configure most of what you would use base-config for) |
| 16:13.20 | EdLin | plutonas: I can't read that page with links or w3m, and I'm not on a system with X at the moment, so I can't say. |
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| 16:13.51 | EdLin | asg: does etch know how to configure or at least install ppp dial-up? |
| 16:14.05 | plutonas | EdLin: i see, i think it is the online version of the book |
| 16:14.19 | asg | EdLin: I'm sure that's covered in the installation guide. |
| 16:14.19 | EdLin | plutonas: it may be available, legally, on safari |
| 16:14.23 | amee2k | ty |
| 16:14.47 | plutonas | it seems legal, its on unix.org |
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| 16:15.05 | EdLin | plutonas: unix.org.ua |
| 16:15.30 | asg | EdLin: are you refering to the old Running Debian book? (www.oreilly.com/openbook) |
| 16:15.35 | EdLin | asg: no |
| 16:15.40 | EdLin | asg: Unix Power Tools |
| 16:15.48 | plutonas | EdLin: yes! |
| 16:15.50 | asg | EdLin: ah, that's a classic |
| 16:16.27 | amee2k | read much like the gentoo install manual... |
| 16:16.37 | EdLin | plutonas: considering that .ua doesn't think much of American narcotics laws, perhaps they don't care about copyright either? |
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| 16:17.05 | plutonas | EdLin: i am greek, but whats ua? |
| 16:17.16 | EdLin | plutonas: Uraguay I believe |
| 16:17.23 | raf256 | how to list files that differ in /usr with a /backup/usr (recursivly)? |
| 16:17.26 | plutonas | aha |
| 16:17.34 | xingu | ukraine |
| 16:17.47 | xingu | plutonas: /usr/share/lib/zoneinfo/iso3166.dat |
| 16:17.53 | xingu | plutonas: learn it, love it. |
| 16:17.58 | EdLin | Ukraine? That's even more-so copyright-free teritory. :-) |
| 16:18.21 | xingu | you mean you can't copy things at all |
| 16:18.24 | xingu | damn. |
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| 16:18.26 | EdLin | this book though is worth every penny, so I encourage people to buy it. |
| 16:18.30 | Malagmyr | How can I prevent someone from using scp to transfer files to their account, that's supposed to be accessible with ssh. |
| 16:18.34 | Malagmyr | ? |
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| 16:19.14 | Habbie | Malagmyr, that makes no sense |
| 16:19.20 | xingu | Malagmyr: "how do I prevent someone from producing an octet stream, when my policy allows them to do so?" |
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| 16:21.45 | dino4k | Hi, i'm trying to get compiz working on my system for now without any luck. If I try to start compiz all window-borders, my desktop, gnome-panels... disappear. Nothing but the mouse does work then. |
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| 16:22.25 | EdLin | Malagmyr: if you're offering ssh, you already have given them carte blanche on files accessable to them, which means there will be ways to transfer it. |
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| 16:22.38 | asg | Malagmyr: it's trivial for a user to do "cat file | ssh me@host "cat -> file"' |
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| 16:24.29 | Malagmyr | asg: Indeed. Point is that a specific user on this box is automatically connected to another box through his login script, with keyless login to the second box. Any scp connections made with winscp, for instance, still places files on the first box. Guess what I'll need to do is make the first box mount his home directory on the second as his home on the first.. Yeah, that'd work. |
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| 16:25.57 | asg | Malagmyr: oh, I see. Tricky. |
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| 16:27.31 | asg | Malagmyr: it might be possible to use the '-S' option to specify a 'ssh -t me@foo ssh -t me@bar' tunnel pipeline but I'm not sure if it will work offhand. |
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| 16:28.10 | Malagmyr | asg: hm.. I'll look into that one. thansk |
| 16:28.18 | asg | Malagmyr: that would also presume that winscp understands that semantic also |
| 16:28.29 | xingu | Malagmyr: alternatively, you could configure command= in their authorised public keyfile |
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| 16:29.37 | xingu | Malagmyr: given that your goal is essentially "allow bounced login to, deny local system access" the semantic ~maps; it's still not something I'd do though, your model is broken |
| 16:30.24 | xingu | Malagmyr: if you allow a remote endpoint to both connect and create a new security context, you've already let them cross the moat and through the gate; may as well give them the keys to the keep while you'e at it |
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| 16:32.12 | Malagmyr | xingu: but there's no way to bounce them the instant the usename is submitted, without writing an entirely new sshd, is there? it's not for production use anyway. just experimenting. |
| 16:32.44 | xingu | Malagmyr: no-pty, command=; it's all in sshd(8) |
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| 16:32.58 | Washboy | !kill shevegen |
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| 16:33.23 | asg | !make Washboy do the dishes |
| 16:34.21 | aadil | fucking manual = kamasutra |
| 16:34.31 | aadil | fucking manual != man |
| 16:34.33 | aadil | :) |
| 16:34.35 | Malagmyr | no, that's the fuckingmanual |
| 16:35.06 | asg | asg@grep:~$ apropos uubp |
| 16:35.06 | asg | uubp (1fun) - Unix-to-Unix beer protocol |
| 16:35.56 | aadil | Malagmyr, to each his own - i prefer playboy |
| 16:36.00 | aadil | :p |
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| 16:38.00 | aadil | ah well, norway doesnt need pron - heard sexy blonde chicks run naked in the streets |
| 16:38.25 | Malagmyr | yeah. along with the polar bears, right? |
| 16:38.33 | xingu | and the lumberjacks |
| 16:38.42 | Washboy | aadil: thats sweden |
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| 16:38.52 | aadil | ah, u are right Washboy |
| 16:38.55 | Malagmyr | who all drink coke btw, after that stupid polar bear commercial you guys sent over here |
| 16:38.56 | [GABRI] | Anyone have a linux counter strike server? |
| 16:38.57 | EdLin | !u |
| 16:38.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:38.57 | aadil | but norway should be similar |
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| 16:39.11 | aadil | eww counter strike |
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| 16:39.26 | Washboy | !kill Hooke |
| 16:39.29 | xingu | norway, sweden, similar; now that's something you don't often hear |
| 16:39.31 | [GABRI] | hi aadil i have problem with linux dedicate server |
| 16:39.45 | Hooke | O_o |
| 16:39.50 | aadil | hi, sorry i cant help u [GABRI] |
| 16:40.00 | Malagmyr | [GABRI]: probably. and even if absolutely nobody here runs a cs server at the moment, someone might still know the answer to your question. just bloody ask. |
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| 16:40.05 | pipeline | xingu: Huh? Similar climate, similar cultures, same language... |
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| 16:40.41 | Malagmyr | pipeline: quite different language, i assure you. norwegians generally understand swedish people, but hardly the other way around. |
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| 16:40.55 | riot | Hmm. I still have this update-problem with sid: Updating oo.org removes tons of python-software. |
| 16:41.43 | Washboy | Malagmyr`: yup |
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| 16:42.01 | Washboy | Jag måste säga att jag håller med ;). Fast norska är inte SÅ svårt. |
| 16:42.22 | xingu | Malagmyr: the danes thing you sound drunk though I hear |
| 16:42.38 | Malagmyr | the feeling's mutual |
| 16:42.42 | xingu | they're probably right too most of the time ;) |
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| 16:43.52 | xingu | Washboy: what was that? something about fish slapping dances? |
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| 16:44.16 | Washboy | xingu: "I must say i agree. But norweigan isnt THAT hard" |
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| 16:44.35 | plee | Washboy, men, noen svenske ord kan være vanskelig synes jeg da. :) |
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| 16:44.38 | Malagmyr | AND something about fish |
| 16:44.39 | shwag | how can I check if I have usb1 or usb2 ? I am only getting about 1 meg a second while copying..but im suppose to have usb2 i beleive. Dont know what is bringing down the speed. |
| 16:45.12 | aadil | lspci? |
| 16:45.14 | Washboy | plee: huh? ;). i dont understand no nuthing. no nuthing! *whistles* |
| 16:45.29 | plee | Washboy, hehe :) |
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| 16:46.04 | plee | Washboy, easy encryption :) hehe |
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| 16:46.21 | riot | fscking openoffice. *removing* |
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| 16:46.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Man, Beryl keeps crashing. :( |
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| 16:47.32 | riot | i think my dpkg-db is broken. It does WEIRD stuff. |
| 16:47.59 | pumpkin0 | Dark_Apostrophe: did you get Berly from a offical debian-repo ? |
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| 16:48.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | pumpkin0: No |
| 16:48.34 | pumpkin0 | Dark_Apostrophe: now guess why it crashs... |
| 16:48.45 | p3rti | hi.. yesterday i was listening music on my computer fine.. today i upgrade my debian and now the sound of the music its veryyyyy low.. i check all the mixers and put the sound high and i hear the sound very low.. but if i put the TV Input i hear normal |
| 16:48.53 | p3rti | what i could be? |
| 16:48.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | pumpkin0: But I don't want an ancient version of it... |
| 16:49.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Besides, packages in Debian repos aren't necessarily stable either. Just install democracyplayer and see how much time it takes before it crashes. |
| 16:49.46 | pumpkin0 | Dark_Apostrophe: There is no Berly in the offical repos. What´s why it´s not supported here. |
| 16:49.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | pumpkin0: Beryl. |
| 16:49.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not Berly. |
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| 16:50.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | pumpkin0: I used these packages: http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 16:50.56 | pumpkin0 | Dark_Apostrophe: so you should ask these guys why their packages keep crashing. |
| 16:50.57 | dino4k | Dark_Apostrophe: does they work for you? |
| 16:51.25 | pumpkin0 | dino4k: "<Dark_Apostrophe> Man, Beryl keeps crashing. :(". i guess not. |
| 16:51.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | pumpkin0: It's not the packages themselves, it's the software. It's still not beta-level yet. :) |
| 16:51.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: Aside from occasional crashes, yes |
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| 16:52.06 | dino4k | Dark_Apostrophe, pumpkin0 For me it doesnt start ;) (but compiz doesnt work as well so i think the problem is somewhere else) |
| 16:52.44 | pumpkin0 | dino4k: that sounds like a badly configured Xorg/aixgl. ATI-card with fglrx-drivers ? |
| 16:52.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: Do you have nVIDIA? |
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| 16:53.04 | shwag | my usb HD is only copying at 1 meg a second. How do I get it to use Hi Speed ? |
| 16:53.05 | dino4k | pumpkin0: nope, Dark_Apostrophe yes :D |
| 16:53.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: Just follow the instructions on that site |
| 16:53.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | It shows you how to properly configure xorg.conf |
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| 16:53.40 | zmutte | who said something about hte apache2 manual regarding the certs and startup? |
| 16:54.23 | pumpkin0 | shwag: look at "/proc/usb/devices". Does is say something about the speed ? (1MB/s is way faster then USB1.1 anyway) |
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| 16:55.35 | shwag | pumpkin: usb1.1 is 1.5 Mbit/s |
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| 16:56.36 | sts | hello folks |
| 16:56.45 | shwag | pumpkin0: I dont see anything in there denoting the speed |
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| 16:57.03 | sts | does anybody know if it's possible to link one ldap entry to another place in the same ldap directory? |
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| 16:58.06 | pumpkin0 | shwag: "lsusb -v" ? |
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| 16:58.16 | pjota | hello there! |
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| 16:58.37 | xingu | sts: read up on referrals |
| 16:59.07 | shwag | pumpkin0: looks like the problem is lsmod shows uhci and not ehci |
| 16:59.18 | dino4k | Dark_Apostrophe: followed http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php and its still not working |
| 16:59.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: Are you using the nvidia beta drivers? |
| 16:59.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | The current stable version doesn't work. |
| 16:59.41 | pumpkin0 | shwag: well, load the correct modules and try again (un/replug the drive) |
| 16:59.46 | pjota | there's any file wich store name servers that is not etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:00.23 | pjota | I modify it but "something" change the new nameservers I put |
| 17:00.25 | riot | oh well. Problem solved. Lots of oo.org-related stuff had to be removed and afterwards reinstalled. sheesh. It could have told me. :/ |
| 17:00.25 | dino4k | Dark_Apostrophe: ii nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.9625-2 |
| 17:00.42 | dino4k | Dark_Apostrophe: so, where can i get the bet-drivers :) = |
| 17:00.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just search for this version: |
| 17:01.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | 1.0-9742 |
| 17:01.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | You need to use nVIDIA's installer for that version |
| 17:01.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | If you're using etch. remember to pass the correct --x-module-path= |
| 17:01.53 | dino4k | sid |
| 17:01.54 | pumpkin0 | pjota: resolv.conf is autogenerated by the dhcp-client. |
| 17:02.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: No idea then. for me, it's --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 17:02.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | locate modules | grep xorg |
| 17:02.35 | dino4k | ok |
| 17:02.35 | riot | funny thing: i'm hanging around in #ubuntu - no one gets an answer there ever ;) no wonder, folks come over here that often *g* |
| 17:02.36 | zmutte | Is there any way to write the cert-key password for apache2 ssl-mod through ssh? |
| 17:02.58 | Habbie | zmutte, why not remove the cert-key password? |
| 17:03.11 | zmutte | because that is not secure |
| 17:03.13 | pumpkin0 | pjota: editing it is not permanent. Make the file ro for everybody to get permanent changes. And write down that you did, because at the next name-server change you will have major problems. |
| 17:03.25 | pjota | pumpkin0: and, what's the form to change the "default" nameservers? |
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| 17:04.08 | pumpkin0 | pjota: there are no default servers if you use DHCP or dialup. |
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| 17:04.21 | dino4k | Dark_Apostrophe: thanks :D |
| 17:04.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: No problem. |
| 17:05.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | dino4k: (I run a risk of being kicked from here just by mentioning the official nvidia installer. :D) |
| 17:05.30 | pjota | okay, thanks pumpkin0, I will make it ro |
| 17:05.54 | pumpkin0 | pjota: check if it is a symlink first. |
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| 17:12.44 | pjota | pumpkin0: I checked it, resolv.conf was the only one. I think to change write perms will solve the problem. |
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| 17:16.37 | baobus | salut les potes |
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| 17:17.47 | Phated | Wrong language. |
| 17:18.05 | baobus | excuse me i' msorry |
| 17:18.20 | raf256 | how to use IrDA? |
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| 17:18.40 | zinx | raf256: step 1) get IrDA hardware |
| 17:18.42 | baobus | i' m disconnect it's try |
| 17:18.55 | raf256 | zinx: I got an USB IrDA, it works fine on windows |
| 17:19.04 | zinx | raf256: sorry, i don't know the steps past that :D |
| 17:19.15 | sts | xingu: thanks |
| 17:19.15 | raf256 | zinx: what thanks zinx |
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| 17:19.21 | raf256 | !slap zinx |
| 17:19.23 | raf256 | anyone knows? |
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| 17:20.53 | raf256 | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 18ec:311 this is an IrDA. how to use it now? |
| 17:21.36 | zinx | no one knows |
| 17:21.41 | zinx | you may have to write a driver for it |
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| 17:22.57 | dubphil | Hello, Just to know if someone is aware if the amavisd-new and spamassassin debian packages are fully functionnal ? |
| 17:23.08 | raf256 | how to use that irda assuming there is a driver |
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| 17:23.42 | zinx | that vendor's not even in the database |
| 17:23.59 | zinx | raf256: google for IrDA HOWTO |
| 17:24.08 | zinx | raf256: but you're not going to get very far without a driver. |
| 17:24.17 | ofer1 | http://tuxmobil.org/Infrared-HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO.html |
| 17:24.30 | zinx | raf256: if you buy me one, i might consider writing a driver for it |
| 17:24.36 | raf256 | zinx: yeah that is some fucking chinees vendor |
| 17:24.42 | raf256 | even the windows version is messed up |
| 17:24.51 | zinx | raf256: oh, that's bad |
| 17:24.52 | raf256 | the driver is called: "Enter Company name here" |
| 17:24.56 | zinx | haha |
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| 17:25.05 | raf256 | And the vendor cd rom title is: "[][][]??[]" |
| 17:25.13 | zinx | raf256: it probably doesn't follow anything even resembling a standard |
| 17:25.15 | raf256 | fucking newbies |
| 17:25.23 | raf256 | !smite chinees devels wannabies |
| 17:25.30 | raf256 | *erm wrong spelling |
| 17:25.51 | raf256 | zinx: I will return that pittifull excute os IrDA hardware to shop |
| 17:26.13 | zinx | raf256: probably a good idea unless you want to write your own driver ;D |
| 17:26.18 | xingu | raf256: is there an octet missing on that device id? |
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| 17:26.28 | xingu | nybble, anyway. |
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| 17:26.54 | raf256 | zinx: in addition, clicking the View Documentation (English) results in error message that reads "?????[][] [] []??? []". same for Chines version of it |
| 17:27.05 | raf256 | xingu: hm? |
| 17:27.18 | zinx | raf256: heh |
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| 17:27.20 | rix_ | hi |
| 17:27.34 | rix_ | how coul i let fsck correct automaticaly boots errors? |
| 17:27.39 | xingu | raf256: 18ec:311 - seems to be short 4 bits worth. |
| 17:27.49 | ascii__ | raf256: i use an usb irda. but nothing to do with irda. Linux see it has a keyboard/mouse. http://pastebin.ca/258570 |
| 17:27.52 | zinx | raf256: it's probably giving you chinese characters, and you don't have the font; possibly even using the wrong encoding |
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| 17:29.00 | raf256 | xingu: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 18ec:3118 |
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| 17:29.10 | xingu | that's better. :) |
| 17:29.25 | raf256 | xingu: I wonder can I force kernel to use it as if it was a typical IrDA-USB device |
| 17:29.38 | zinx | raf256: sure |
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| 17:29.44 | raf256 | how? |
| 17:29.44 | zinx | raf256: add the pci id to the driver |
| 17:29.49 | zinx | erh, usb id |
| 17:29.50 | zinx | whatever |
| 17:29.53 | raf256 | where in kerenl tree exacly is that? |
| 17:30.07 | zinx | heck if i know. i don't even know if it has a IrDA driver for any USB devices |
| 17:30.18 | raf256 | I will call it: "The pittifull IrDA manufactured by dumb communists in .ch" |
| 17:30.51 | zinx | looks like drivers/usb/serial/ir-usb.c |
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| 17:31.34 | zinx | it would be loading automatically most likely if it were a standard IrDA device |
| 17:32.26 | rix_ | hei, it's possible to correct fsck boots error automatically without prompt and without user input? |
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| 17:33.16 | zinx | rix_: erh, you're not supposed to have errors |
| 17:33.31 | rix_ | ok, but if the strom goes away |
| 17:33.40 | rix_ | and my pc shutdown |
| 17:33.55 | rix_ | how could i make e reboot form a remote place? |
| 17:34.01 | p3rti | what i could be? |
| 17:34.02 | p3rti | hi.. yesterday i was listening music on my computer fine.. today i upgrade my debian and now the sound of the music its veryyyyy low.. i check all the mixers and put the sound high and i hear the sound very low.. but if i put the TV Input i hear normal |
| 17:34.03 | zinx | rix_: get a UPS and set it to shut down when the power goes out |
| 17:34.06 | rix_ | is it possible to auto correct errore?^ |
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| 17:34.33 | zinx | rix_: it's possible in some cases |
| 17:34.33 | rix_ | when and how? |
| 17:34.34 | zinx | rix_: but it's better to properly shut down. |
| 17:34.45 | rix_ | ok, but if i can't!? |
| 17:34.51 | zinx | rix_: when the filesystem isn't too damaged, and by modifying the scripts |
| 17:34.58 | zinx | rix_: Then you make it so you can. |
| 17:35.12 | rix_ | could you tel me how to do? |
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| 17:35.25 | zinx | rix_: by getting a UPS and setting the system to shut down when power is lost... |
| 17:35.41 | rix_ | could you tel me how to modify the scrpts? |
| 17:35.52 | zinx | i won't tell you how to do that. |
| 17:36.04 | rix_ | and the scripts to modify? |
| 17:36.04 | zinx | rix_: you may try converting your filesystem to ext3 |
| 17:36.17 | zinx | but it would really be best to get a UPS and have the system shutdown cleanly |
| 17:36.28 | zinx | rix_: i won't tell you that either. |
| 17:36.33 | rix_ | i havn't cash for a ups |
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| 17:36.47 | giupy | hi all |
| 17:37.05 | wireddd | what exactly is the difference between doing an upgrade and a dist-upgrade when you don't change your sources? |
| 17:37.29 | zinx | wireddd: dist-upgrade pulls more dependencies or somesuch |
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| 17:37.49 | giupy | what do i need to use an external usb dvd burner? i have a pci card with 4 usb 2.0 ports and my mouse is usb and goes correctly, but the burner isn't seen by linux |
| 17:37.50 | EdLin | wireddd: dist-upgrade adds new packages, and deletes packages. upgrade doesn't |
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| 17:39.39 | wireddd | I think I will just do dist-upgrades from now on |
| 17:39.58 | wireddd | unless it is going to break something I need |
| 17:40.51 | giupy | same burner goes under winxp |
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| 17:44.09 | xingu | raf256: drawing a blank for that usb vendor; is there a sticker on it? maybe an fccid? |
| 17:44.47 | zinx | heh |
| 17:45.22 | raf256 | xingu: no |
| 17:45.39 | raf256 | xingu: its no wonder, I would also be ashamed after releasing such shitware. I am returning it to shop |
| 17:45.40 | xingu | raf256: if you had 2x of them I'd suggest a mallet |
| 17:45.49 | rix_ | if i edit /etc/init.d/checkfs/ FSCKFIX=no to yes it will make the fix automatically? |
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| 17:46.55 | xingu | raf256: I bet there's a 1chip usb+irda inside under a dot of epoxy; and with the info on the surface, you could probably add its vendor/device id to modules.usbmap and die happy |
| 17:47.18 | zinx | xingu: wouldn't help |
| 17:47.19 | raf256 | xingu: where is that file? |
| 17:47.28 | zinx | xingu: or at least, i don't think it would |
| 17:47.39 | zinx | raf256: try modprobe ir-usb without modifying it |
| 17:48.05 | zinx | (without modifying ir-usb.c) |
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| 17:50.35 | xingu | zinx: not all hw supports ir-usb; see the Kconfig comments in drivers/net/irda/ |
| 17:50.56 | plutonas | how do i read Microsoft CHM format files?? |
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| 17:51.14 | Sempron | how do i install a mysql server for php use? |
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| 17:51.42 | ofer1 | Sempron, aptitude install mysql-server |
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| 17:52.06 | zinx | xingu: i know |
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| 17:52.31 | ofer1 | plutonas, aptitude install xchm |
| 17:52.33 | DavidProck1981 | hay im useing KDE on Debian can comoune tell me how to be able to use my wirless card |
| 17:52.43 | giupy | DaveyB: wich card? |
| 17:52.47 | plutonas | ofer1: thank you |
| 17:52.57 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 17:52.57 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 17:52.58 | ofer1 | DavidProck1981, which wifi card you've got ? |
| 17:53.04 | giupy | DavidProck1981: wich card |
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| 17:53.48 | DavidProck1981 | i nont remember the modle of the card but it is a pci wireless card |
| 17:54.12 | DavidProck1981 | one that would like to a router |
| 17:54.24 | giupy | DavidProck1981: search the name, than ask help, we can't help you |
| 17:54.34 | DavidProck1981 | need to use it in place of the nic cable |
| 17:54.40 | ofer1 | DavidProck1981, I can't help you if you don't know the name of the manufactor and exact model. Every card has its' own specifications and techniques. |
| 17:54.50 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: paste the output of lspci to a pastebin |
| 17:54.54 | DavidProck1981 | it mighr be blittz |
| 17:55.36 | DavidProck1981 | what is the paste bin link again |
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| 17:55.41 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 17:55.42 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 17:57.05 | DavidProck1981 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4611 |
| 17:57.20 | Sempron | what is the difference between apt-get install and aptitude install? |
| 17:58.11 | pipeline | Sempron: apt-get is deprecated. |
| 17:58.21 | ofer1 | Sempron, aptitude is better. |
| 17:58.32 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: what version of debian |
| 17:58.43 | Sempron | allright |
| 17:58.44 | ofer1 | Sempron, just use it and don't ask question until you understand why :) |
| 17:58.47 | DavidProck1981 | texting / etch |
| 17:58.48 | giupy | madwifi |
| 17:58.51 | ofer1 | questions* |
| 17:58.59 | DavidProck1981 | testing / etch |
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| 17:59.11 | DavidProck1981 | 4.0 |
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| 17:59.37 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: install madwifi-tools |
| 17:59.38 | Sempron | 'cause i tried apt-get install mysql-server wich didn't work, and aptitude install mysql-server works =D |
| 18:00.39 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: you may have to build the Atheros driver using m-a |
| 18:00.43 | DavidProck1981 | ok its installed, now what |
| 18:01.05 | giupy | deb doesn't see my dvd burner usb, what can i do ? |
| 18:01.09 | DavidProck1981 | dont know any thing abuout that, can u guid me through it |
| 18:01.32 | giupy | DavidProck1981: apt-get install madwifi-tools |
| 18:01.38 | DavidProck1981 | do u mean mouule assistant |
| 18:01.58 | DavidProck1981 | i did apt-get install madwifi-tools allready |
| 18:02.05 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: yes |
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| 18:02.22 | DavidProck1981 | yes to module assistant ?? |
| 18:02.44 | ofer1 | module assassin |
| 18:03.01 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: hold on, I'm lookin at the files. I've never installed Atheros. |
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| 18:03.24 | pickcoder | madwifi-source is the driver source |
| 18:03.55 | pickcoder | crap.. the pub key changed |
| 18:04.05 | DavidProck1981 | ok i did apt-get install madwifi-source |
| 18:04.15 | jair | jaarnold: hey are you here? |
| 18:04.35 | jair | jaarnold: any projects to work on today? |
| 18:04.48 | jair | jaarnold: I am here my friend ok |
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| 18:05.35 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: do you have module-assistant installed? |
| 18:05.41 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 18:05.59 | pickcoder | m-a |
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| 18:06.09 | pickcoder | select update |
| 18:06.12 | DavidProck1981 | just now went to prepair, ive used module assistant before, what do i do |
| 18:06.16 | DavidProck1981 | did |
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| 18:06.21 | pickcoder | go into select |
| 18:06.24 | pickcoder | and pick madwifi |
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| 18:07.32 | pickcoder | when you do that, you get another menu. You can update the source from there if you want or try to build the driver now. |
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| 18:08.40 | DavidProck1981 | will that work for any brand of wireless card |
| 18:08.46 | pickcoder | just atheros |
| 18:08.51 | |splat| | does autofs4 get compiled into the 2.6.17 kernel by default? |
| 18:09.03 | |splat| | in linux-image-2.6-i686? |
| 18:09.22 | livingtm | When i boot, fsck is checking a partition that is a member of a software raid and fails. how can I prevent fsck from checking this partition? |
| 18:09.56 | Suprano | After installing lufs i get this message from time to time: Invalid opcode: 0000 [ a number ] SMP .. the kernel log says kernel bug fs/inode.c:251 infront of this messages |
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| 18:10.53 | DavidProck1981 | i think i have a Blittz card, not quite sure |
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| 18:11.22 | DavidProck1981 | i dont feal like opening up my pc as of now |
| 18:11.38 | pickcoder | lspci says it's an Atheros |
| 18:11.45 | DavidProck1981 | oh ok |
| 18:11.58 | DavidProck1981 | lol ok |
| 18:12.04 | pickcoder | you can't go by brands |
| 18:12.18 | pickcoder | the chipset on the card is what really matters |
| 18:12.32 | DavidProck1981 | so do i restart now , or what app do i need to run |
| 18:13.04 | pickcoder | did you perform the "build" and then the "install" |
| 18:13.22 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 18:13.25 | pickcoder | no errors? |
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| 18:13.33 | DavidProck1981 | no erroes, yes |
| 18:13.44 | pickcoder | updatedb |
| 18:13.49 | pickcoder | then 'locate madwifi' |
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| 18:13.53 | DavidProck1981 | what iss that |
| 18:13.55 | pickcoder | see what the driver filename is |
| 18:13.59 | DavidProck1981 | updatedb |
| 18:14.04 | DavidProck1981 | what is updatedb |
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| 18:14.09 | pickcoder | file locate database |
| 18:14.13 | h3sp4wn | modprobe ath_pci |
| 18:14.16 | DavidProck1981 | how |
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| 18:14.24 | pickcoder | ath_pci is the driver? |
| 18:14.27 | DavidProck1981 | run modprobe ath_pci? |
| 18:14.33 | pickcoder | that's stupid |
| 18:14.34 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:14.46 | DavidProck1981 | what do i type in the knonsole |
| 18:15.00 | pickcoder | yes.. modprobe ath_pci |
| 18:15.51 | DavidProck1981 | the updatedb is makeing my hdd seak like a amd dog |
| 18:15.58 | KaiSVK | hi I need to convert my root partition to LVM, can anybody help ? |
| 18:15.59 | DavidProck1981 | mad* |
| 18:16.20 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: it's indexing every new file on the system |
| 18:16.37 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: anytime you install something new, you should run it. Or setup a cron job to update it regularly. |
| 18:16.53 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: that way you can use "locate" to easily find files |
| 18:16.54 | DavidProck1981 | ok its done do modprobe ath_pci |
| 18:16.58 | Habbie | doesn't debian have a cronjob for it by default? |
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| 18:17.48 | h3sp4wn | Yes but it never gets run unless your system is on 24/7 |
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| 18:17.53 | DavidProck1981 | modprobe ath_pci did not return any info |
| 18:17.59 | Aci1 | hi |
| 18:18.06 | h3sp4wn | or at the right time - anacron solves that problem though |
| 18:19.07 | KaiSVK | hi I need to convert my root partition to LVM, can anybody help pls? |
| 18:19.14 | DavidProck1981 | now what app do i run to use the card and interact with the network(s) |
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| 18:19.41 | h3sp4wn | read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 18:19.50 | DavidProck1981 | is LVM a partion to set up raid om |
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| 18:20.06 | DavidProck1981 | KaiSKC...... |
| 18:20.09 | h3sp4wn | iwlist ath0 scan (see if you can see the network) |
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| 18:20.45 | DavidProck1981 | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 18:21.07 | h3sp4wn | ifconfig -a (see if you have wifi0 and ath0) |
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| 18:22.02 | h3sp4wn | ifconfig ath0 up |
| 18:22.08 | h3sp4wn | then try - iwlist ath0 scan again |
| 18:22.41 | DavidProck1981 | ifconfig put out a lot of stuff |
| 18:22.43 | KaiSVK | DavidProck1981 I think no ... |
| 18:22.49 | DavidProck1981 | dfgdsfg |
| 18:22.54 | KaiSVK | DavidProck1981 Its no raid ... |
| 18:23.36 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 18:24.27 | DavidProck1981 | heeellllppppp |
| 18:24.43 | DavidProck1981 | ill restart brb |
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| 18:26.16 | DavidProck1981 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4612 |
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| 18:30.57 | S1R | hi |
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| 18:35.27 | soop | anyone know how to launch my screen resolution settings? i resized my desktop and lost my menu bars |
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| 18:36.09 | Aci1 | naybody nkows about tomcat 5.5 in debian etch? |
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| 18:36.28 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 18:36.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:36.36 | Aci1 | yeah |
| 18:36.54 | Aci1 | why tomcat5.5-admin is not in the repo? |
| 18:37.27 | Supaplex | what's the closest thing? |
| 18:37.31 | Aci1 | i installed tomcat 5.5 |
| 18:37.33 | soop | Supaplex: i didnt ask if anyone used some program |
| 18:37.53 | jelly-home | !why is tomcat5.5-admin not in testing |
| 18:37.53 | dpkg | tomcat5.5-admin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tomcat5.5-admin |
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| 18:38.27 | Aci1 | so i cant install it? |
| 18:39.09 | Supaplex | you can backport it or wait 8 more days to see if it moves |
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| 18:39.14 | jelly-home | Aci1: what does apt-cache policy tomcat5.5-admin say? What architecture are you using? I can see it as available on i386 on my mirror |
| 18:39.27 | jelly-home | Aci1: in unstable though |
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| 18:40.02 | Aci1 | oh |
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| 18:40.17 | Aci1 | so its still not testing |
| 18:40.22 | jelly-home | I only see tomcat5.5 in unstable too. |
| 18:40.27 | Aci1 | so i rather install tomcat 5 |
| 18:40.50 | Aci1 | ok thanks |
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| 18:43.04 | Aci1 | becouse when i try to deploy a web app with netbeans it returns an error with the tomcat 5.5 server |
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| 18:43.41 | Aci1 | /home/jmmp/WebApplication1/nbproject/build-impl.xml:471: Deployment error: |
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| 18:44.01 | Aci1 | so maybe its becouse tomcat 5.5-admin is not installed |
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| 18:44.50 | Aci1 | what do you think? |
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| 18:45.21 | ma3x | why can't I change the refresh rate to 100 on my monitor? the maximum I can choose at KDE control panel is 85 |
| 18:45.26 | ma3x | and my monitor does support 100 |
| 18:45.37 | Aci1 | jelly-home:am i right? |
| 18:45.45 | nisse | ma3x: you'll find more settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:45.55 | Supaplex | does your video card support it? |
| 18:46.01 | Supaplex | at that resolution? |
| 18:46.27 | ma3x | Supaplex, yes, but it's not set in xorg I think |
| 18:47.06 | ma3x | brb |
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| 18:48.34 | DARKGirl_ | can someone help me with this error |
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| 18:50.07 | Supaplex | !tell DARKGirl_ -about ask |
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| 18:50.37 | tralala | DARKGirl_: aren't you running kanotix already? |
| 18:50.50 | DARKGirl_ | naw because i dont know how to install it |
| 18:50.53 | ma3x | again, I can't set it to 100 |
| 18:50.55 | ma3x | why not? |
| 18:51.01 | liri | anyone seen a soft cpu lockup bug? |
| 18:51.10 | DARKGirl_ | the commands that are documented do not work |
| 18:51.54 | p3rti | hi.. yesterday i was listening music on my computer fine.. today i upgrade my debian and now the sound of the music its veryyyyy low.. i check all the mixers and put the sound high and i hear the sound very low.. but if i put the TV Input i hear normal |
| 18:52.27 | tralala | p3rti: investigate the reason and report a bug |
| 18:52.46 | p3rti | tralala, i'm interesting.. what it could be the reason.. |
| 18:52.49 | ma3x | hellooo |
| 18:52.56 | ma3x | how can I set the refresh rate to 100Hz? |
| 18:53.02 | ma3x | it's just 85 currently |
| 18:53.03 | DARKGirl_ | the command, "kanotix-installer-latest-web" comes back with "/usr/sbin/kanotix-installer-latest-web: line 11: cd: knx-installer-*: No such file or directory |
| 18:53.04 | liri | what do you think about this in syslog? localhost kernel: [17185319.060000] BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! |
| 18:53.08 | p3rti | tralala, it's wear.. the sound it's too low. |
| 18:53.15 | liri | I guess it's bad eh? hehe |
| 18:53.17 | p3rti | tralala, like kernel modules.. or sometime like that |
| 18:53.18 | zinx | liri: i think one of your drivers is broken |
| 18:53.22 | zinx | liri: it's quite bad |
| 18:53.54 | riot | hmm. A pentium mobile 750 should be able to play divx video at reasonable fps, am i right? |
| 18:54.04 | tralala | p3rti: I have no idea. |
| 18:54.04 | liri | zinx: I actually think it's faulty hardware cause it's a dualboot with windows and I'm experiencing freezes on windows as well. |
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| 18:54.36 | tralala | riot: yes... sort of |
| 18:54.37 | zinx | liri: it's possible |
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| 18:55.03 | riot | tralala: on fullscreen, zoomed? |
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| 18:55.34 | tralala | riot: it mainly depends on the video card/player |
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| 18:56.54 | sandman | Is anyone here familiar with Planeshift's licensing? It appears that it's rather much non-free, but looks like it's free |
| 18:58.05 | riot | tralala: lets say, it worked fluidly on win2k, so i assume, it should do especially on linux.. the whole hw is pretty old. its an ati rage3d with 8 megs unshared. |
| 18:59.09 | ma3x | is there some tool for the display? |
| 18:59.33 | tralala | riot: what linux, what player, which X driver, what does xvinfo say? |
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| 19:01.34 | DARKGirl_ | swap partitions are primary or extended? |
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| 19:01.37 | yoshio | soop: gnome-display-properties |
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| 19:01.42 | riot | tralala: debian with 2.6.17. driver is ati, xvinfo says it has one ati rage adapter with overlay stuffs and lots of more output. oh and btw. its xorg. |
| 19:01.52 | netman1 | DARKGirl_: doesn't matter |
| 19:01.55 | DARKGirl_ | im going to attempt to create a swap partition, i usually dont |
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| 19:02.37 | zinx | riot: if you have decent a XV overlay, it should play pretty well full screen zoomed |
| 19:02.43 | zinx | riot: h.264 won't, though :P |
| 19:02.44 | netman1 | DARKGirl_: 1 word advice: in a pure Linux system just create 1 primary partittion. |
| 19:03.50 | tralala | riot: mplayer -vo xv should play just fine full screen |
| 19:03.53 | DARKGirl_ | just 1? |
| 19:03.58 | ma3x | is there some tool for the display? |
| 19:04.04 | DARKGirl_ | but all these documents say create a swap partition |
| 19:04.06 | DARKGirl_ | blah |
| 19:04.18 | DARKGirl_ | ok ill remove thse two and just have one |
| 19:04.34 | tralala | DARKGirl_: just 1 primary, not just one partition |
| 19:04.38 | zinx | DARKGirl_: one word of advice, don't believe everyone is an expert just 'cause they say something. |
| 19:05.04 | netman1 | DARKGirl_: yes, you need at least 1 for root and 1 for swap, maybe more for /usr or /var, but create only 1 of them as a primary. |
| 19:05.09 | DARKGirl_ | but it wouldnt let me create a second ext3 partition so i used linux-swap |
| 19:05.14 | DARKGirl_ | is linux-swap ok |
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| 19:05.39 | tralala | DARKGirl_: why don't you make your life simpler by following the install guide? |
| 19:05.53 | fasta_ | What happended to dbus-glib-1? |
| 19:05.59 | DARKGirl_ | netman1: oh i see what you mean, well thats too bad because i dual boot with linux |
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| 19:06.07 | DARKGirl_ | :-P |
| 19:06.12 | fasta_ | I can't install it, although it's in the database. |
| 19:06.20 | DARKGirl_ | Windows is also on this hdd too |
| 19:06.21 | netman1 | DARKGirl_: you don't talk about ext2 partitions, a partition can contain any type of filesystem: swap, ext2, jfs or ext3. |
| 19:06.50 | netman1 | DARKGirl_: that's your decision. |
| 19:06.54 | DARKGirl_ | did i say ext2? i meant ext3 |
| 19:06.56 | DARKGirl_ | heh |
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| 19:07.48 | netman1 | DARKGirl_: a partition can als contain a FAT or NTFS partition |
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| 19:08.06 | netman1 | s/NTF partition/NTFS filesystem/ |
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| 19:08.20 | netman1 | ;-) |
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| 19:13.39 | zinx | !ops our favorite onjoin spammer is back as [B]ahar!n=_B_anu@85.106.172.120 |
| 19:13.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: our favorite onjoin spammer is back as [B]ahar!n=_B_anu@85.106.172.120 |
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| 19:18.59 | RogerB | hey guy's, what is your best uptime with debian (please specify version and usage (server ..)) |
| 19:19.22 | pipeline | RogerB: Eleven months, on my laptop. |
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| 19:19.36 | tonyb2006 | http://en.uptime-project.net/page.php?page=toplist&content=view_big_league |
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| 19:19.45 | jnguy | pipeline: No kernel upgrades? |
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| 19:20.04 | pipeline | jnguy: Clearly not. I just never got around to it. All I ever used my laptop for was word processing. |
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| 19:20.28 | jnguy | pipeline: hibernate/suspend? |
| 19:20.50 | Anyone | Do you where channel #Ubuntu is? |
| 19:20.59 | jnguy | um... |
| 19:21.06 | jnguy | #ubuntu |
| 19:21.09 | Anyone | Yeah |
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| 19:21.23 | Anyone | Is it on this network or OTFC (or whatsitcalled)? |
| 19:21.28 | jnguy | yeah |
| 19:21.31 | jnguy | its on freenode. |
| 19:21.34 | Anyone | Tnx |
| 19:21.49 | jnguy | wouldn't it be easier to try and join to find out? |
| 19:21.58 | pipeline | jnguy: ding ding ding |
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| 19:22.15 | jnguy | on the hibernate/suspend... or joining? |
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| 19:22.59 | jnguy | it you actually have close to a year of uptime on your laptop... er... I'm guessing you never unplug it, and the harddrive will die within another year or so :( |
| 19:23.21 | riot | tralala: i'm gonna try it out. |
| 19:24.06 | riot | tralala: no, doesn't help :( |
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| 19:25.31 | amee2k | i want to change a user's password from a shell script. how can i encrypt the password suitable for use with `usermod -p` ? |
| 19:26.24 | Habbie | openssl passwd foobarbaz |
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| 19:27.32 | tralala | riot: my laptop is a p2@366 with neomagic 2.5MB video and it plays divx movies just fine. So should yours. Try it with sarge - if it works there then there is a bug in testing/unstable. |
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| 19:28.51 | jim | one more thing... how would I correct this: glxinfo among other lines says this: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:28.56 | amee2k | ty Habbie |
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| 19:29.03 | Blissex | tralala: that only works if there is the XVideo extension enabled on the screen. |
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| 19:29.28 | riot | OH. How _stupid... i just tried vlc.. works fine... gnf.. gotta rebuild mplayer :( |
| 19:29.37 | tralala | Blissex: /lastlog riot |
| 19:29.38 | riot | thanks for your hints anyway! |
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| 19:33.15 | amee2k | doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:35.43 | amee2k | the encrypted password doesn't look like the others in my shadow file |
| 19:36.02 | amee2k | do i need to configure openssl in any special way for this to work? |
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| 19:37.14 | tralala | amee2k: check out mkpasswd |
| 19:37.42 | nono31 | hi |
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| 19:38.24 | nono31 | I'm not findinf libapache2-mod-fastcgi in sid. is that normal? |
| 19:39.14 | tralala | nono31: in sid nothing is normal and everything is normal |
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| 19:39.37 | jim | horrible crashes are undesirable... but normal |
| 19:39.46 | nono31 | tralala: how do I get fastcgi to work on sid then |
| 19:39.46 | nono31 | ? |
| 19:40.04 | jim | try building it yourself |
| 19:40.05 | nono31 | I saw that testing does not have this package either |
| 19:40.40 | amee2k | tralala: which packages is that in? |
| 19:40.43 | jim | in fact... why not try building apache yourself too |
| 19:41.28 | tralala | nono31: I have absolutely no idea. |
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| 19:41.41 | tralala | amee2k: amaizingly enough in "whois" |
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| 19:41.57 | amee2k | hehe |
| 19:41.57 | jim | have you looked at the bts? |
| 19:42.11 | nono31 | jim: nope |
| 19:42.18 | jim | so... try :) |
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| 19:42.47 | jim | you're running -sid-, you should -know- these things... |
| 19:42.51 | Anyone | jnguy, well .. I'm on it now .. seems a lot of people think I am guru or something. |
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| 19:43.05 | khaleel_ | where are the source lists downloaded to ..by aptget |
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| 19:43.14 | jim | I am gu, hear me ru |
| 19:43.32 | tralala | khaleel_: in the current dir |
| 19:43.38 | jim | something like /var/cache/apt |
| 19:43.46 | tralala | oh, the lists... |
| 19:43.47 | amee2k | how do i know what to use as 'salt' value? |
| 19:44.03 | jim | when it tastes right! |
| 19:44.05 | tralala | somewhere in /var |
| 19:44.15 | Habbie | amee2k, random is fine |
| 19:44.20 | zinx | amee2k: the salt is either cryptographically random or what it already is |
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| 19:44.30 | zinx | amee2k: depending on where you want to know what you should use |
| 19:44.35 | tralala | amee2k: anything you like. I think passwd is using random salt |
| 19:44.40 | amee2k | good |
| 19:44.47 | Habbie | both passwd and openssl passwd randomize automatically |
| 19:44.53 | zinx | (random for generating, same for checking) |
| 19:45.02 | jnguy | Anyone: ... Who thinks your a guru again? |
| 19:45.07 | jnguy | er. |
| 19:45.15 | Habbie | as for your earlier question, the output of openssl passwd differing from your others is a result of this random salt |
| 19:45.16 | jnguy | not that I'm trying to offend you, I just have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 19:45.19 | jim | has he been a guru before??! |
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| 19:45.30 | Anyone | jnguy, they keep asking me questions. |
| 19:45.43 | jnguy | who? |
| 19:45.43 | khaleel_ | trajanux, in corrutn dir? |
| 19:45.46 | jim | if you keep answering and it helps... |
| 19:45.51 | tralala | Anyone: funny |
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| 19:46.20 | khaleel_ | tralala, found it ....its /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 19:46.27 | jnguy | er |
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| 19:46.31 | jnguy | I used to be in that channel |
| 19:46.46 | jnguy | but after last night, I got booted, and its not on my auto join list. |
| 19:46.53 | khaleel_ | tralala, thanks |
| 19:46.57 | jnguy | btw, anyone know what happened last night? |
| 19:47.03 | tralala | khaleel_, you're welcome |
| 19:47.10 | Habbie | is this #debian better or worse than the one on the other network? :) |
| 19:47.25 | tralala | Habbie: yes |
| 19:47.34 | Anyone | jnguy, No, what happened? |
| 19:47.40 | blondie | Habbie: better of course... it's the real one |
| 19:47.51 | Habbie | tralala, hehe |
| 19:47.57 | Habbie | blondie, that doesn't say anything :) |
| 19:47.57 | tralala | Habbie: ;) |
| 19:48.00 | obi_tux_kenobi | Habbie, define better? |
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| 19:48.20 | tralala | obi_tux_kenobi: he hasn't got the force |
| 19:48.21 | Habbie | obi_tux_k, i'm flexible in the meaning of better, was just wondering if clue-wise there is any point in joining the other one as well ;) |
| 19:48.41 | tralala | Habbie: only if you can't find an answer here |
| 19:48.43 | obi_tux_kenobi | Habbie, sure why not |
| 19:48.47 | dashome | I have an older radeon in this machine -- I'm using the 'radeon' XFree86 driver, but my OpenGL support sucks. |
| 19:48.53 | Habbie | tralala, hehe |
| 19:49.19 | dashome | Would moving to the binary drivers fix that, or is there a solution that still allows me to use OS software + get better OGL support? |
| 19:49.30 | tralala | dashome: yep, the open driver doesn't have great 3D |
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| 19:50.34 | dashome | It wouldn't bother me as much, but zsnes uses openGL for scaling, and on this older Athlon 1.11 Ghz cpu, the game is unplayable. :( |
| 19:50.40 | perlmonk | Here, I got a very mini linux... I'd like to know what free disk space there is |
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| 19:50.43 | tralala | dashome: the binary driver could be better or worse and with the time it could get better or worse depending on... well with the binary drivers nobody knows. |
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| 19:50.47 | perlmonk | df is not there, any idea ? |
| 19:50.56 | Anyone | I'll try to ask my ubuntu question here. I am sure a lot of you have tried Ubuntu, and I didn't get answer yet on #Ubuntu. Sorry if I offend. |
| 19:51.13 | Habbie | many questions should be compatible, i would say |
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| 19:51.26 | dashome | tralala: You wouldn't know if X.org has improved the performance, have you? |
| 19:51.48 | tralala | dashome: I don't think it has. |
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| 19:52.35 | tralala | perlmonk: install coreutils |
| 19:52.53 | perlmonk | tralala, I don't even know which distribution it is |
| 19:52.58 | Jassossovinik | srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 2006-10-08 16:01 mysqld.sock <== i have a user in the mysql group that can't cd to that dir - why?! |
| 19:52.59 | perlmonk | Might be an LFS |
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| 19:53.14 | perlmonk | ok, I'm OT, sorry |
| 19:53.33 | tralala | perlmonk: let me see what my crystal ball has to say... |
| 19:53.45 | wireddd | perlmonk, first step is figureing out what dist it is |
| 19:53.59 | perlmonk | wireddd, sounds like an LFS, not a distro |
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| 19:54.37 | perlmonk | Hum |
| 19:54.38 | dashome | Okay, so where are the instructions for getting the binary kernel module working under the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:54.43 | tralala | Jassossovinik: because the user hasn't logged in after being added to mysql group |
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| 19:54.51 | perlmonk | I'll sftp df there... |
| 19:55.00 | Jassossovinik | tralala, they claim to have done :-. |
| 19:55.53 | tralala | Jassossovinik: err... mysqld.sock is not a dir, it's a socket |
| 19:55.59 | wireddd | dashome, the binary driver for what? |
| 19:56.07 | Jassossovinik | tralala, i know, the socket is within the dir though |
| 19:56.18 | Jassossovinik | i copied the wrong output |
| 19:56.44 | tralala | Jassossovinik: shall we see the dir's permissions then? |
| 19:56.58 | Jassossovinik | they were the same - which is why i didn't notice |
| 19:57.18 | Jassossovinik | however, they have just logged in and out and the original problem still remains: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13) |
| 19:57.38 | Jassossovinik | Root can use "mysql" on the command line but the user cannot. |
| 19:57.56 | dashome | wireddd: The Radeon ATI cards. |
| 19:58.08 | dashome | Or is it a module for XFree86? |
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| 19:58.16 | tralala | Jassossovinik: this has nothing to do with dir's permissions. It must be something in the config file of mysql. |
| 19:58.26 | Jassossovinik | tralala, ok, thankyou. |
| 19:58.51 | tralala | dashome: on sarge? |
| 19:59.15 | dashome | tralala: Yep. |
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| 20:00.51 | wireddd | !tell dashome about ati one-liner |
| 20:00.54 | tralala | dashome: it's a pain if you want to use a recent version. I had to do quite a lot of patch work to get 8.28.8 to work |
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| 20:01.15 | tralala | I'd love to share the results with you but I'm on amd64 |
| 20:01.20 | perlmonk | ok... busybox |
| 20:02.00 | dashome | tralala: Hmmmm, maybe I'll avoid that then. |
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| 20:02.14 | wireddd | perlmonk, now go forth and find the busybox people and ask them :P |
| 20:02.23 | perlmonk | wireddd, :P |
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| 20:08.10 | khaleel_ | what is better for an etch user [who is not much cautious about programme version ]? downloading packages from Sid's repository or compiling ? |
| 20:09.06 | pstickne | khaleel_, pinning and only downloading select packages from sid. |
| 20:09.08 | minerale | how can glob a b c d e f .... |
| 20:09.10 | minerale | in the same way that I do {1..20} |
| 20:09.16 | minerale | (in the shell) |
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| 20:09.45 | pstickne | minerale, did you try {a..f} #? |
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| 20:10.10 | khaleel_ | pstickne, i want transcode, bbDEMUX , OO Vob Demultiplexer ....... its not even confirm if its at sid but should I get it or it would be better to compile? |
| 20:10.49 | tralala | minerale: [a-f], for further shell questions - #bash |
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| 20:12.15 | pstickne | khaleel_, I only compile when that's the last option to get what I want |
| 20:12.51 | pstickne | khaleel_, I have yet to, outside of package dep. issues, have a problem with sid-compiled programs in an etch base. |
| 20:13.05 | pstickne | (not saying that it couldn't or won't happen) |
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| 20:13.55 | khaleel_ | pstickne, okiez......thanks........but you do mean to say that compiling can mean problems later on for sure or theres a high likelyhood |
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| 20:15.13 | pstickne | khaleel_, when I do compile things I put them in /opt or /usr/local/ so it's easy to remove them later. it also might be nice to get one of the simple linker "package managers" or to build your own deb packages (I have not done this last one and don't know where to start) |
| 20:15.53 | norbert_ | hi there, I'm trying to play sdl games, but they seem to lock X (mouse stuck, Ctrl-Alt-F1 does not work, nothing as a matter of fact), sdl 1.2.11, kernel 2.6.17-2-k7, Debian testing |
| 20:15.55 | pstickne | (eg: /opt/myprogram) |
| 20:16.25 | khaleel_ | pstickne, simple linker package managers ..... can you name one? |
| 20:16.29 | norbert_ | happens after some time of playing |
| 20:17.00 | netman1 | I'm looking for a good tip/link on the debian boot process/environment. Like, how does the initrd's content relate to udev? |
| 20:17.09 | wireddd | khaleel_, you can get an etch package from debian-multimedia.org for transcode |
| 20:17.37 | pstickne | khaleel_, I think I was using lr or something last. Essentially they just link in your programs to the standard locations. Eg: I compile to /usr/local/inst/foo and it creates symlinks in /usr/local/bin, etc |
| 20:17.44 | khaleel_ | wiredd thanks |
| 20:17.50 | pstickne | khaleel_, try a freshmeat search |
| 20:17.59 | wireddd | khaleel_, as far as the other ones go, I don't know |
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| 20:18.22 | khaleel_ | pstickne, with keywords simple linker "package managers ? |
| 20:19.17 | tuxedup | When I insert a dvdrom into the cd-drive I get the following message on the command line 'this cdrom doesnt have any tracks i recognise', yet I can still browse the dvd from its mountpoitn, any ideas what is wrong? |
| 20:19.21 | pstickne | khaleel_, "package manger simple" got me at least two good hits (toast and lt -- I used lt) |
| 20:19.23 | wireddd | khaleel_, there are other utilities that will do what bbdemux does |
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| 20:19.35 | Malagmyr | How can I allow things to connect to a telnet session? I mean... I want to see what a program that communicates in cleartext will say to a server it connects to, and be able to respond to it. I want to run something, tell the program to connect to my ip, see what it says and respond as if I connected to something with telnet. Is this doable? |
| 20:19.39 | pstickne | You could follow that out as needed... |
| 20:19.39 | tuxedup | i mean into the dvdrom drive* |
| 20:20.20 | pstickne | Malagmyr, you want to hijack the session? |
| 20:20.36 | khaleel_ | wireddd, like ? (well actually i have diaup so me a little choosy about that searching path....sourceforge and freshmeat run exceptionally slow here) |
| 20:20.44 | wireddd | khaleel_, mplayer will do it |
| 20:20.47 | pstickne | Malagmyr, in that case, "easiest" method would be to use a proxy ... but these things are always icky |
| 20:21.39 | khaleel_ | wireddd, hm.....thanks |
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| 20:21.42 | wireddd | khaleel_, I believe the utility is menencode |
| 20:21.48 | Malagmyr | pstickne: I don't want to hijack anything, I want to start a new session. Like, one can perfectly well communicate with an smtp server with telnet, right? I want to do it the other way around. I want to pretend to be an smtp server and reply by hand, and have some mail program connect to me. |
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| 20:22.27 | khaleel_ | wireddd, more thanks .....really ! |
| 20:22.38 | pstickne | Malagmyr, there is no reason why you couldn't setup a simple server-attached-to-keyboard in something like Perl. |
| 20:22.39 | Malagmyr | pstickne: I want to see how the client handles responses that my server wont give on its own. |
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| 20:22.50 | wireddd | khaleel_, it is part of mplayer |
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| 20:22.59 | pstickne | Malagmyr, I don't know of any already existing tools for this though; haven't looked though |
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| 20:23.31 | khaleel_ | wireddd, ok...so no additonall add on for that part |
| 20:26.27 | wireddd | khaleel_, well you may have to apt-get mencoder seperatly from mplayer |
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| 20:28.43 | khaleel_ | wireddd, hmm ok....you seem to be well infrmed about that...i am going to convert my vob files to divX or avi....any hints /tips |
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| 20:29.13 | Marco | anyone know of any good OS X dock clones? |
| 20:29.31 | dashome | Like Gnustep? |
| 20:29.36 | Malagmyr | pstickne: So what I'm looking for is a server-attached-to-keyboard thingy? See, I'm having problems explaining what I'm looking for, but you seem to have gotten the idea. |
| 20:29.49 | Marco | dashome, but that has all the neat effects and transparency |
| 20:30.18 | pstickne | Malagmyr, well, in Perl it'd just be a bridge between Net::Telnet (server aspect) and STDIN (keyboard replies) |
| 20:30.19 | wireddd | khaleel_, figure out how to encode the first few minutes and make sure that it is working before you spend hours encoding the whole thing |
| 20:30.31 | pstickne | Malagmyr, I don't know what an official name for something like that is |
| 20:30.40 | dashome | Can't almost any configurable desktop make a OS X looking doc? |
| 20:30.42 | dashome | FVWM can... |
| 20:31.06 | khaleel_ | wireddd, ok thanks....and which format is the best for encodig? |
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| 20:31.11 | killown | how I change icon menu main gnome? |
| 20:31.12 | dashome | http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Pierre-Eric_Marchandet-1600x1200/screenshot.jpg |
| 20:31.14 | pstickne | There is even a clone floating around somewhere... |
| 20:31.46 | pstickne | wow. when did FVWM start to not look crappy? |
| 20:32.08 | Marco | pstickne, the default theme will always be horrible |
| 20:32.08 | wireddd | khaleel_, it just depends on what you want to use if for |
| 20:32.15 | dashome | And: http://pemarchandet.free.fr/fvwm.html |
| 20:33.25 | khaleel_ | wireddd, well i just wanna keep em on my harddisk with less space have a 17 inch monitor on which i am gonna view |
| 20:33.59 | xingu | Malagmyr: netcat |
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| 20:34.17 | Marco | dashome, I was thinking about something like this, but for linux: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rklauncher/ |
| 20:37.12 | dashome | Marco: Yah, fvwm can do it, but you'd have to hunt down the config. |
| 20:37.23 | dashome | Or write your own (that won't be fun) |
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| 20:38.58 | smacnay | does udev and hal automatically mount devices? If so, where? Or does one need to set up udev/hal to do so? |
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| 20:40.35 | xingu | smacnay: I doubt udev mounts, but hal might |
| 20:40.57 | xingu | smacnay: haven't burrowed into it yet but something is mounting removable media on my gnome2 desktop on insert under /media |
| 20:41.24 | xingu | smacnay: I'm assuming it's nautilus or hal or a combination of the two working together |
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| 20:41.48 | pstickne | Marco, there is a project for X like that ... it had some issues when I tried it 6 months ago or so... |
| 20:41.58 | pstickne | Marco, I can't recall the name though :X |
| 20:41.58 | smacnay | xingu: I know that kde ses things get automounted but I am in straight console. |
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| 20:48.42 | H3g3m0n | smacnay: might be ivman |
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| 21:01.59 | Malagmyr | xingu: netcat was EXACTLY what I needed! thanks a bloody big bunch! :D |
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| 21:03.05 | _Atomo64_ | hey... what kind of partition a resume partition must be? (for uswsusp/powersaved) |
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| 21:14.04 | cilkay | Hello. I'm interested in running etch in a hosting environment but I don't always want to be running testing. When etch is moved to stable, how would I switch to stable? Would I just have to modify sources.list to point at stable instead of testing? |
| 21:14.44 | smacnay | H3g3m0n: I see that hal and pmount seem to allow easier mounting which is what I would like. |
| 21:14.48 | vin` | cilkay: leave it at etch from now. |
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| 21:15.14 | cilkay | vin`: so specify "etch" in sources.list instead of testing? |
| 21:15.45 | garotosopa | when I don't shutdown properly, next time I boot eth0 doesn't get loaded. how do I troubleshoot this? |
| 21:16.07 | vin` | cilkay: yes |
| 21:16.17 | cilkay | Thank you. |
| 21:16.34 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: etch will always be etch, in (hopefully) some weeks etch will move from testing to stable, but as I said, etch will always be etch |
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| 21:22.11 | cilkay | I've installed etch into a Xen VPS using debootstrap. Apparently, the base install doesn't instally the debian-archive-keyring package. If I attempt to install it, I'm asked if I want to install that unsigned package. Is there a way to check the signature of packages after they've been installed? |
| 21:22.25 | cilkay | In an RPM based system, it would be rpm -V |
| 21:22.40 | cilkay | There must be something like that in deb based systems. |
| 21:24.46 | onetinsoldier | cilkay: i think you might be looking for something like the 'debsums' package? |
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| 21:25.51 | cilkay | Let me see if a debootstrapped base install has it. |
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| 21:25.57 | onetinsoldier | ok |
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| 21:26.10 | onetinsoldier | it probably doesn't though |
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| 21:26.21 | cilkay | I have the impression that no checking is done during debootstrap. |
| 21:27.39 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 21:28.28 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 21:28.29 | yang | for exim using multiple domains, do i need to edit update-exim4.conf section: dc_other_hostnames='domain1.net,domain2.net' |
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| 21:29.23 | cilkay | Chicken/egg problem: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring ==> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 21:29.32 | cilkay | Of course they can't be authenticated. |
| 21:29.49 | cilkay | So, my plan is to install that and debsums, and then check the signatures using debsums. |
| 21:30.59 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: try what /msg dpkg 2006 key says |
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| 21:33.04 | cilkay | I did that but still get "E: Some packages could not be authenticated" when I attempt apt-get debsums |
| 21:33.44 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: try to apt-get update |
| 21:34.14 | ToxicSun | hey guys i got an ipod shuffle and this is my first time using a USB device with sarge or linux for that matter |
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| 21:35.40 | cilkay | Is there a contrib repo for etch yet? I currently have: testing main non-free contrib but it complains on contrib |
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| 21:36.38 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: what mirror are you using?, etch DOES have main contrib non-free |
| 21:37.25 | cilkay | I'm using http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ ... only four hops away from me. |
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| 21:38.13 | cilkay | I'm getting MD5SUm mismatches. |
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| 21:39.40 | cilkay | Is it safe to delete everything in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and update again? |
| 21:41.31 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: yeah, but I recommend you to use a mirror listed on the debian mirror's page |
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| 21:41.52 | cilkay | I think that's where I got that mirror but I'll look again. |
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| 21:43.08 | cilkay | It's a secondary mirror. I'll try a primary. |
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| 21:45.26 | Marco | Are there any debian repositories that are optimized for a specific arch |
| 21:45.32 | Marco | like pentium4 or amd64 |
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| 21:48.06 | cilkay | _Atomo64_: that worked, thanks. |
| 21:48.21 | phogg | Marco: not any I've heard of |
| 21:48.42 | _Atomo64_ | Marco: no, but there are some packages that are optimized... check things like libc6-i686 |
| 21:49.01 | _Atomo64_ | cilkay: what worked? apt-get update or the primary mirror? |
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| 21:49.08 | cilkay | Both. |
| 21:49.09 | phogg | Marco: for most packages it would make no appreciable difference |
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| 21:53.55 | mick_home | how can i mount an ISO rw? i tried `sudo mount -o rw,loop my.iso /media/iso` - but when i try to move files onto it, it says that the filesystem is ro.. :-/ |
| 21:54.22 | petemc | mick_home: cp the mounted image to another dir |
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| 21:55.06 | mick_home | then do i need to mkisofs and create the iso again? |
| 21:55.11 | petemc | yes |
| 21:55.25 | cilkay | I just did: dpkg -l | debsums and everything was OK. I'm trying to understand what that really means. |
| 21:55.42 | cilkay | debsums checks md5sums, not gpg signatures. |
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| 21:56.34 | cilkay | Checking signatures probably isn't of much value since the signature is on the package before it's installed. |
| 21:56.39 | jujimufu | hey, I am interested in reasons why I should install debian instead of kubuntu. Any ideas? |
| 21:57.04 | chemaja | jujimufu: there's a really good article on 'why debian' on wiki.debian.org |
| 21:57.11 | chemaja | jujimufu: wiki.debian.net |
| 21:57.41 | jujimufu | chemaja: thanks :D |
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| 21:58.11 | chemaja | jujimufu: no problem. pass it on :) |
| 21:58.29 | jujimufu | chemaja: will do :D |
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| 22:00.12 | H3g3m0n | I'm wanting to change a Gentoo system over to Debian should I install using the Etch RC1? |
| 22:00.28 | Marco | H3g3m0n, what do you plan to use this system for? |
| 22:00.47 | mick_home | petemc: thanks (i'm crossing my fingers that this works) ;) |
| 22:00.53 | Marco | _Atomo64_, I installed libc6-i686, do I now uninstall libc6? |
| 22:01.05 | H3g3m0n | Marco: Mainly a fileserver but its just for personal home use, not production etc |
| 22:01.25 | jujimufu | chemaja: while this is very helpful, it doesn't say why I shouldn;'t choose kubuntu instead of plain debian, which is based on debian. |
| 22:01.44 | jujimufu | chemaja: or hint it in any way. That's why I wanted a more personal opinion on why debian is better than kubuntu. |
| 22:01.50 | Marco | H3g3m0n, ya, go ahead |
| 22:02.07 | Marco | etch is more stable than Gentoo from my own personal experience |
| 22:02.16 | Marco | as is sid |
| 22:02.32 | chemaja | jujimufu: okay, personal... well i tried Kubuntu Dapper for about a week and I found the end-user programs a bit flaky |
| 22:02.39 | Zap-W | do i need an MX record in bind if my doman.com resolves to my server which also runs the mail server? |
| 22:02.44 | chemaja | jujimufu: ie. locked up desktop icons, crashing IM clients, etc. |
| 22:02.54 | mick_home | petemc: how do i make the iso bootable? |
| 22:03.09 | jujimufu | chemaja: but, I tried installing debian once, and I find the installation procedure is much harder than kubuntu, or even ubuntu. |
| 22:03.13 | chemaja | jujimufu: but the main reason I don't like Debian derivatives is that they dont have the Debian policy/infrastructure behind them. |
| 22:03.17 | _Atomo64_ | Marco: you can't remove libc6 |
| 22:03.27 | jujimufu | chemaja: they don't? I didn't know that... hm... |
| 22:03.32 | chemaja | jujimufu: it's more or less the same installer these days. |
| 22:03.37 | petemc | mick_home: passing options to mkisofs |
| 22:03.42 | mick_home | i just did: mkisofs -o my.iso mydir |
| 22:03.43 | Marco | _Atomo64_, ok |
| 22:03.53 | mick_home | i'll reread the manpage |
| 22:03.53 | h3sp4wn | kubuntu dapper was insanely slow - don't see any reason to bother with etch so close to release (and newer than dapper and more stable than edgy) |
| 22:03.54 | petemc | mick_home: thats not sufficient |
| 22:03.56 | Marco | jujimufu, the debian installer is pretty straightforward |
| 22:04.04 | mick_home | petemc: i figured taht much :) |
| 22:04.11 | cilkay | jujimufu: having run both, I didn't see any clear advantage of Kubuntu. In fact, the claims of Debian/Ubuntu fans that one never has to reinstall I have found to be untrue. I've had Debian and K/Ubuntu systems break on upgrades. |
| 22:04.30 | cilkay | jujimufu: I figured that Debian is always going to have more packages. |
| 22:04.33 | Marco | cilkay, Sarge broke on you? |
| 22:04.48 | chemaja | although i must say, i used Etch d-i from Aug 2006 last night to resize an ext3 and install debian and install grub, and now i get "GRUB Geom error". but yea, it's Etch, so i'm not too pissed :) |
| 22:04.53 | chemaja | ie. testing |
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| 22:05.28 | cilkay | Sarge is the geriatric 2.2 kernel based one? If so, no because I can't run something that ancient. |
| 22:05.32 | chemaja | cilkay: i hear that a lot of breakages are because of 3rd party repos |
| 22:05.41 | Marco | jujimufu, chemaja, ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distribution |
| 22:05.43 | cilkay | Quite likely true. |
| 22:05.50 | chemaja | Marco: not quite. |
| 22:05.52 | Marco | the inclusion of a package and removal of another does not make it a different distro |
| 22:05.52 | EdLin | cilkay: Sarge is 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 22:06.03 | jujimufu | Marco: kubuntu uses kde instead of gnome |
| 22:06.06 | EdLin | cilkay: you're thinking of woody |
| 22:06.13 | Marco | jujimufu, since when is a distro defined by the DE it uses |
| 22:06.16 | chemaja | Marco: same parent project... different distribution |
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| 22:06.38 | jujimufu | Marco: since ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, knoppix-gnoppix, etc etc |
| 22:06.50 | EdLin | !kubuntu |
| 22:06.51 | dpkg | well, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 22:06.51 | Marco | chemaja, it's the same exact distribution. THE ONLY difference is that instead of installing the gnome meta package, it installs the kde meta package |
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| 22:07.20 | chemaja | Marco: yea i know. but i dont consider that the same "distribution". |
| 22:07.42 | Marco | chemaja, so what would you call an ubuntu system that had both kde and gnome installed? |
| 22:07.44 | Marco | a bastard child? |
| 22:07.47 | chemaja | Marco: you know, given that a largely different set of software is "distributed" to me |
| 22:08.00 | chemaja | Marco: i'd call it Ubuntu. :) |
| 22:08.15 | EdLin | whatever you'd consider [k]ubuntu to be, what does it have to do with Debian? |
| 22:08.16 | chemaja | Marco: but the initial 'distribution' was ubuntu, not kubuntu |
| 22:08.22 | chemaja | anyway who cares about ubuntu |
| 22:08.24 | chemaja | :P |
| 22:08.31 | jujimufu | Marco: it's not simply a package. It's the whole system that is based on either kde or gnome. For example, kubuntu uses kadept, gnome uses synaptic |
| 22:08.57 | Marco | jujimufu, kadept and synaptic are NOT package managers |
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| 22:08.58 | jujimufu | *gnome -> ubuntu |
| 22:09.04 | Marco | they're frontends to apt |
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| 22:09.21 | jujimufu | Marco: wait.. did I say ther were package managers? |
| 22:09.22 | chemaja | Marco: are you a frontend to Mark Shuttleworth? ;) |
| 22:09.30 | h3sp4wn | so what do you get with deboostrap then - ubuntu - same way if you debootstrap debian you get debian |
| 22:09.38 | h3sp4wn | *debootstrap |
| 22:09.43 | Marco | look at it like this |
| 22:09.48 | Marco | In every other linux distro |
| 22:09.55 | Marco | you can have any DE combo, and it's still the same distro |
| 22:10.00 | EdLin | jujimufu: Marco: what in the world does what [k]ubuntu is have to do with the topic of this channel? |
| 22:10.00 | Marco | what would make ubuntu any different? |
| 22:10.02 | H3g3m0n | Marco: apt is a frontend to dpkg |
| 22:10.05 | Marco | EdLin, nothing |
| 22:10.11 | Marco | H3g3m0n, yes, it is |
| 22:10.11 | jujimufu | Marco: like knoppix, knoppix with gnome is gnoppix, a different distro |
| 22:10.30 | Marco | jujimufu, that's because knoppix is not a "distribution" in the technical sense |
| 22:10.37 | EdLin | then please find somewhere else to argue about it. kthx |
| 22:10.42 | jujimufu | Marco: and what is it then? |
| 22:10.43 | jujimufu | Marco: nevermind, my question is why use debian over kubuntu... |
| 22:11.11 | tuv | bacause it's better :) |
| 22:11.16 | Marco | jujimufu, because ubuntu is just going to hold your hand through it all |
| 22:11.22 | Marco | and you won't learn anything |
| 22:11.31 | jujimufu | Marco: and what would I care about learning? I care about doing my job. |
| 22:11.37 | chemaja | it's always amusing to watch kubuntu fans trying to justify themselves as first-class citizens of the Ubuntu project |
| 22:11.37 | tuv | besides, debian testing is more recent than ubuntu |
| 22:11.40 | Marco | jujimufu, for what purpose are you installing this? |
| 22:11.47 | EdLin | jujimufu: because Debian has stable and secure packages for the entire distribution, not just a few packages |
| 22:11.52 | jujimufu | Marco: I've learned enough already have installed over 20 distros in the past 2 years, including gentoo (and managing to get it running) |
| 22:11.54 | chemaja | anyway, -> #ubuntu etc. for all this *buntu talk. |
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| 22:11.58 | jujimufu | *having |
| 22:12.00 | Marco | jujimufu, for what purpose are you installing this? |
| 22:12.12 | rumpl | What does revelery mean ? please |
| 22:12.12 | jujimufu | Marco: home use |
| 22:12.44 | Marco | rumpl, go to google.com and type define:revelery |
| 22:12.47 | Marco | :) |
| 22:12.55 | rumpl | I get nothing |
| 22:13.13 | rumpl | Don't think I didn't try that first... |
| 22:13.16 | Marco | jujimufu, Debian gives you a lot more options |
| 22:13.26 | jujimufu | Marco: such as? |
| 22:13.41 | pngwn | rumpl, how about an online dictionary? |
| 22:13.43 | Marco | when you install debian, you can install any combination of packages |
| 22:13.44 | riot | rumpl: try dict.org |
| 22:13.52 | Marco | also, the root account is not castrated in debian |
| 22:14.02 | Marco | the security risk that is sudo is not enabled by default |
| 22:14.18 | rumpl | No definitions found for "revelery", perhaps you mean: riot |
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| 22:14.37 | rumpl | I tried, so I thought some english speaking people cold help me |
| 22:14.41 | rumpl | guess not |
| 22:14.45 | riot | rumpl: are you trying to kid me? |
| 22:14.45 | rumpl | thanks anyway |
| 22:14.49 | jujimufu | Marco: ok, but I want sudo enabled, so that's not a problem. And I can remove any packages I don't like from kubuntu too.. |
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| 22:14.56 | rumpl | riot, try it yourself |
| 22:15.19 | EdLin | jujimufu: then /part #debian, /j #kubuntu, and stfu |
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| 22:15.26 | rumpl | ah riot, no no no, that wasn't the end of the phrase, that was just for HL. |
| 22:15.28 | pngwn | rumpl, you could try the proper spelling |
| 22:15.29 | riot | rumpl: how about OPENING your eyes.. *gnf* |
| 22:15.33 | Marco | EdLin, play nice -_- |
| 22:15.40 | riot | pngwn: it even suggests correct spelling. |
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| 22:15.50 | pngwn | plonk |
| 22:15.54 | rupy | hi guys |
| 22:16.01 | rupy | i mount my /dev/sda1 drive, but i cant change the owner |
| 22:16.01 | rumpl | It's from a book. pngwn |
| 22:16.02 | aschenputtel | !ponk |
| 22:16.11 | aschenputtel | !plonk |
| 22:16.11 | dpkg | methinks plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 22:16.15 | rumpl | riot, what do you mean by opening my eyes? |
| 22:16.16 | rupy | whats the correct syntax to specify the user on mount for an ext3 drive? |
| 22:16.20 | Marco | jujimufu, basically, for most people, it comes down to two things |
| 22:16.28 | tuv | jujimufu, for me ubuntu's problem was that many packages are not officially supported and badly packaged, and often outdated |
| 22:16.28 | Marco | for one, debian will always be free |
| 22:16.30 | riot | rumpl: like _read_ what a program responds to you! |
| 22:16.36 | aschenputtel | rupy: man fstab, man mount |
| 22:16.42 | tuv | jujimufu, compared to debian testing at least |
| 22:16.48 | Marco | Debian will never "sell-out" |
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| 22:17.10 | Acid | how do i enable java in the debian browsers? |
| 22:17.24 | aschenputtel | install java :-) |
| 22:17.26 | Acid | like epiphany and firefox |
| 22:17.34 | tuv | Acid, stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 22:17.35 | Acid | i allready install it |
| 22:17.44 | Acid | testing etch |
| 22:17.48 | Hirvinen | A Debian user calling Ubuntu outdated? |
| 22:17.56 | tuv | Acid, install sun-java5* |
| 22:18.00 | aschenputtel | !start a distro war |
| 22:18.01 | dpkg | MEPIS rocks! |
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| 22:18.12 | cafuego | sussudio: is dat zo? |
| 22:18.18 | tuv | Hirvinen, a debian testing user finds ubuntu outdated |
| 22:18.33 | Acid | i allready install the jdk5 |
| 22:18.48 | Acid | but the browser dont detect it |
| 22:18.54 | tuv | Acid, using debian's sun-java5* packages or sun's binary? |
| 22:18.58 | Luke | with aptitude, is there a way to downgrade packages that were in a repo that I removed? |
| 22:18.58 | sussudio | !doe cafuego |
| 22:19.05 | jujimufu | tuv: fair enough |
| 22:19.12 | Acid | iam using debian's |
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| 22:19.17 | Hirvinen | tuv: As does Ubuntu + 1 -user. |
| 22:19.22 | jujimufu | EdLin: yeah, that's the way to be helpful! |
| 22:19.27 | rupy | ok i give up |
| 22:19.27 | Marco | Hirvinen, as does a Debian Sid User |
| 22:19.29 | H3g3m0n | How does Debian compare with *buntu in the "it just works" dept? |
| 22:19.33 | rumpl | thank you riot. And sorry. |
| 22:19.42 | rupy | tried -o user=ru, -o user:ru, -o uid=ru etc.. etc.. |
| 22:19.44 | rupy | nothing works? |
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| 22:19.50 | Acid | in the browser says that needs a plug in |
| 22:19.51 | tuv | Hirvinen, which brings in the issue of ubuntu+1 vs. debian-testing stability |
| 22:19.52 | aschenputtel | !nickometer H3g3m0n |
| 22:19.54 | dpkg | 'H3g3m0n' is 57.000% lame, aschenputtel |
| 22:20.25 | jujimufu | anyway, thanks for the help and info guys :D |
| 22:20.26 | jujimufu | take care! :_ |
| 22:20.32 | jujimufu | may the source be with you >,> |
| 22:20.39 | Marco | !nickometer Marco |
| 22:20.41 | dpkg | 'Marco' is 0.000% lame, marco |
| 22:21.17 | Hirvinen | tuv: It should be rather compared to Debian Sid. But I'm not going into those comparisons now. |
| 22:21.24 | tuv | Acid, do you have the file: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so? |
| 22:21.34 | Marco | Debian Sid has been extremely stable in the last few months |
| 22:21.36 | Marco | I've had no problems |
| 22:21.49 | Marco | the worse problem I ever had (before that) was sound not working for a day or two |
| 22:21.49 | Hirvinen | Anyway, "Ubuntu has a lot of poorly supported and outdated packages" is just pointless FUD. |
| 22:21.53 | aschenputtel | !tell Marco about sid faq |
| 22:21.55 | tuv | Hirvinen, that's the point. testing provides reasonable stability and recent packages |
| 22:22.11 | riot | rumpl: oh, no problem ;) Just don't forget to look thoroughly always B-) |
| 22:22.40 | rumpl | riot, yeah, just that I was convinced I speled it good... I'm off |
| 22:22.40 | Marco | aschenputtel, I've been running sid for several months now |
| 22:22.50 | Acid | no i dont |
| 22:22.55 | Marco | I know how to replace broken packages from a chrooted environment |
| 22:23.04 | Marco | not that I've ever had to |
| 22:23.33 | aschenputtel | read the FAQ first, those people running unstable since years... |
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| 22:23.46 | Acid | i dont need the libjavaplugin |
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| 22:24.03 | Acid | i dont have it |
| 22:24.15 | Acid | i mean i dont have it |
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| 22:24.22 | Marco | aschenputtel, there's nothing in there that I don't know |
| 22:24.28 | chemaja | Marco: sid is stable probably because of the stage in the release cycle we're in. |
| 22:24.42 | tuv | Acid, ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
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| 22:24.53 | Marco | chemaja, sid is not part of the release cycle |
| 22:25.07 | Marco | and seeing as I get usually 100+ updated packages per day, activity isn't exactly "low" |
| 22:25.08 | gcc_ | guys i installed kde package from synapt and i now noticed that kcontrol opens but gives no tree-menus.. why? |
| 22:25.17 | h3sp4wn | Marco: Well why does sid have the same toolchain as etch then ? |
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| 22:25.43 | h3sp4wn | Marco: If it was seperate it would have libc 2.5 or 2.6 by now |
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| 22:25.58 | rupy | can anyone tell me how to specify my user as the owner of my ext3 partition? |
| 22:26.01 | rupy | instead of "root |
| 22:26.30 | Acid | thanks tuv |
| 22:26.35 | tuv | Acid, sure |
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| 22:28.18 | Marco | H3g3m0n, 2.5 is in experimental btw |
| 22:28.42 | Marco | * h3sp4wn |
| 22:28.47 | phogg | rupy: whoever mounted it 'owns' it, if it's FAT, otherwise it's based on the UID and GID numbers written in the filesystem |
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| 22:29.21 | chance2105 | Is there a way to have fbset set the framebuffer settings at boot? |
| 22:29.29 | h3sp4wn | Marco: And ? The reason why it is there is because sid /is/ part of the release cycle |
| 22:29.43 | Marco | h3sp4wn, how so? |
| 22:29.58 | rupy | phogg: I mounted it using my user "ru" and ran sudo mount etc... and it shows the users who own it as "root root" |
| 22:30.39 | phogg | rupy: sudo makes you root, so root mounted it |
| 22:31.15 | rupy | heeh ok, but my user doesnt have mount rights |
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| 22:31.21 | phogg | rupy: if the mount exists in fstab you can specify 'user' as a mount option, meaning that users are allowed to mount it |
| 22:31.51 | rupy | gawd |
| 22:31.55 | rupy | this is such a luss |
| 22:31.57 | rupy | what a waste of time |
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| 22:32.14 | rupy | ok so i just have to add that line to my fstab file? |
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| 22:33.01 | aschenputtel | rupy: as we said before, read man fstab and man mount |
| 22:33.12 | rupy | i did |
| 22:33.28 | aschenputtel | rupy: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 22:33.33 | aschenputtel | as an example |
| 22:33.34 | rupy | would i add "user:ru" |
| 22:33.44 | rupy | to the option section under /etc/fstab? |
| 22:34.21 | onetinsoldier | how can i get the route command to show the entire string for my gateway? right now it's cut off... |
| 22:34.25 | onetinsoldier | Gateway |
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| 22:34.32 | onetinsoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.23 | onetinsoldier | from there it goes to the Genamsk column.. cutting off display the full string/name of my gateway |
| 22:35.40 | _Atomo64_ | !enter |
| 22:35.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 22:35.49 | rupy | can someone pls tell me what i would need to put under -o |
| 22:35.54 | rupy | i have tried user:ru |
| 22:35.58 | aschenputtel | rupy: so you want that a 'user' can mount this ext3 partition, right? |
| 22:35.59 | onetinsoldier | whatever |
| 22:36.00 | rupy | users=ru, user=ru etc.. |
| 22:36.06 | rupy | aschenputtel: yes pls! |
| 22:36.19 | aschenputtel | rupy: read /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 22:36.42 | rupy | vfat? but its an ext3 partition? |
| 22:36.45 | aschenputtel | rupy: it specify *ONE* User to allow a specific partition on the system |
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| 22:36.48 | adrakoa | hi |
| 22:36.58 | aschenputtel | rupy: just change the FS type |
| 22:37.12 | rupy | the drive isnt empty |
| 22:37.27 | aschenputtel | that's not important |
| 22:37.38 | h3sp4wn | Marco: Any fix has to be uploaded to sid first - if it was completely seperate (like experimental is it wouldn't have the same toolchain as etch) |
| 22:37.49 | petemc | rupy: use chmod or chown to set permissions after mounting |
| 22:38.01 | aschenputtel | rupy: not the FS type, only in the example itself... |
| 22:38.06 | rupy | petemc: im not allowed to do that |
| 22:38.11 | petemc | rupy: who said? |
| 22:38.13 | rupy | says "Operation not permitted." |
| 22:38.26 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: you must be root to do that |
| 22:38.31 | rupy | i am root. |
| 22:38.33 | petemc | rupy: oh, you're root? you're sure its ext3 |
| 22:38.39 | rupy | yes |
| 22:38.40 | h3sp4wn | Marco: If you want to see what can happen just install the libc from experimental - and be aware that is very likely to happen once etch has been released |
| 22:38.53 | petemc | rupy: what exact command did you use? |
| 22:39.03 | chemaja | speaking of experimental -- is anyone running Gnome 2.16 from experimental? |
| 22:39.05 | rupy | mount /dev/sda1 /media/mma |
| 22:39.16 | chemaja | ie. does it currently function relatively sanely |
| 22:39.19 | rupy | drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 16384 1970-01-01 02:00 mma |
| 22:39.50 | rupy | chown: changing ownership of `/media/mma': Operation not permitted |
| 22:39.56 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: if /dev/sda1 or /media/mma are already in your fstab you don't need to specify to mount both places if you want to mount it where it is specified in your fstab. |
| 22:40.02 | rupy | tried both sudo chown ru /media/mma --as ru and as root |
| 22:40.14 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: /media/mma is already mounted? |
| 22:40.19 | petemc | rupy: does it show as rw in the output of "mount" ? |
| 22:40.26 | rupy | well ive been mounting and unmounting it atm its mounted |
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| 22:40.46 | rupy | yeah |
| 22:41.00 | rupy | god wait -- it shows the type as "vfat" |
| 22:41.08 | rupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.26 | rupy | this is a fat32 drive? Sorry my bad |
| 22:41.32 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: well, you don't chmod the dir where you'll mount the partition, you 'chown' that dir by using fstab. What exactly do you want to do? |
| 22:41.58 | rupy | i just want the user "ru" to be able to write/delete etc.. that entire drive |
| 22:42.07 | petemc | rupy: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 22:43.29 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: what filesystem does it uses? |
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| 22:44.16 | rupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.43 | rupy | why doesnt it listen to me setting the permissions (mask) ? |
| 22:45.19 | petemc | rupy: how are you applying those settings? |
| 22:45.41 | rupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.51 | petemc | it is apllying them |
| 22:46.09 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: on your fstab use this: uid=value and gid=value (on the options part) |
| 22:46.10 | rupy | yeah it is |
| 22:46.34 | petemc | erm, well, apart from the fact 777 is a nonsensical mask |
| 22:46.41 | petemc | its subtractive, from 666 |
| 22:46.53 | rupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.53 | petemc | rupy: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 22:46.54 | rupy | like that? |
| 22:47.03 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: yeah |
| 22:47.09 | petemc | no |
| 22:47.35 | rupy | lol |
| 22:47.36 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: wait no... uid=ru |
| 22:47.45 | rupy | aah sos |
| 22:47.46 | rupy | ok |
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| 22:48.22 | petemc | rupy: do you understand what /msg dpkg vfatrw means? |
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| 22:49.35 | _Atomo64_ | rupy: you can use the name of the user/group or it's numerical id. Also, make sure to set a proper umask, if you don't, it won't help the fact that you own the files/dirs |
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| 22:50.39 | phogg | rupy: umask of 777 will give you 0000 permissions |
| 22:51.04 | rupy | phogg: yeah |
| 22:51.07 | rupy | thats what i wanted |
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| 22:51.51 | petemc | not for files |
| 22:51.51 | phogg | rupy: so you want no one to be able to read or write any files? |
| 22:51.51 | phogg | might as well leave it unmounted |
| 22:53.17 | rupy | udo mount /dev/sda1 -o uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 /media/mma |
| 22:53.19 | rupy | there we go! |
| 22:53.21 | rupy | that did it |
| 22:53.23 | rupy | yay :) |
| 22:53.26 | rupy | ta guys |
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| 23:03.02 | sid_ | cool new website created by a debian developer... http://www.digg.com/videos_people/Kiss_or_Diss_New_website_Like_HotorNot_Except_with_Videos_Instead_of_Pics |
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| 23:05.14 | MatBoy | Is a Xen-kernel such a huge kernel ? Damn it takes long |
| 23:06.01 | onetinsoldier | what is a Xen-kernel? |
| 23:07.03 | streuner | !tell onetinsoldier about xen |
| 23:07.20 | onetinsoldier | thanks streuner :) |
| 23:07.29 | MatBoy | :) |
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| 23:07.35 | Heart_2 | hi |
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| 23:08.38 | Heart_2 | for my wlan-stick i have to do 3 commands (ifconfig eth1 up, iwconfig eth1 essid myessid, dhclient eth1)... how to that commands autom. on boot? |
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| 23:10.51 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: i'm not certain but, perhaps edit your /etc/network/interfaces file like the following...? |
| 23:11.05 | onetinsoldier | # The primary network interface |
| 23:11.13 | onetinsoldier | auto eth1 |
| 23:11.21 | onetinsoldier | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 23:12.06 | Heart_2 | thats all? ok will try it |
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| 23:12.27 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. try it. as i said.. i'm not certain that'll work! |
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| 23:12.58 | onetinsoldier | it always seems to take a little experimentaion for me ;) |
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| 23:13.19 | cilkay | MatBoy: Xen kernel shouldn't be appreciably, if at all, larger than any other kernel. |
| 23:13.41 | MatBoy | cilkay, ok, compiling Xen is taking for ever :S |
| 23:14.09 | cilkay | MatBoy: depends on the machine. It wasn't any slower than a regular kernel for me. |
| 23:14.24 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: do you have dhcp installed? |
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| 23:15.31 | MatBoy | cilkay, the machine is not that fast... a quad Xeon 500 with 4GB, but this slow |
| 23:15.46 | Heart_2 | dhclient |
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| 23:16.12 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: are you running sarge? |
| 23:16.27 | cilkay | MatBoy: quad cpu probably makes no diff in compilation times so you essentially have a single 500MHz CPU doing the compilation. Not surprised it's slow. |
| 23:17.39 | cilkay | MatBoy: depending on what you run on the virtual machines, you may find Xen disappointing on that machine. You don't have a lot of CPU power to spare. |
| 23:18.18 | Heart_2 | testing is in the sources.list |
| 23:18.41 | MatBoy | cilkay, OK, so it will compile on one processor ? I have seen running 4 Server 2003 installs on this machine... worked very fine and smooth. |
| 23:19.01 | pipeline | having four processors will make xen go a lot further than you may expect |
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| 23:19.44 | cilkay | MatBoy: I don't know how gcc deals with muti processors. You might want to ask on the kernel or Xen channel. |
| 23:19.47 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: i have heard that for the wireless cards you might want to use 'dhcp3-client' or 'pump' |
| 23:20.02 | MatBoy | cilkay, ok, thanks ! good idea ! |
| 23:20.16 | MatBoy | pipeline, yep, this with 1MB cache... it makes it quite fast |
| 23:20.17 | Heart_2 | onetinsoldier, what's the difference!? |
| 23:20.17 | pipeline | cilkay: It doesn't. |
| 23:20.43 | pipeline | MatBoy: heh, fun fact: Intel systems have a shared memory bus. 1MB of cache just stops it from grinding to a bloody, terrible halt. You really need as much cache as you can get. e.g. Xeon 4MB |
| 23:20.51 | cilkay | MatBoy: I'm running Xen on 3GHz machines with loads of RAM so I have no complaints, well, other than the fact that I have to statically allocate RAM. |
| 23:21.25 | cilkay | I'm evaluating OpenVZ and it looks like it might be a good compromise. |
| 23:21.37 | MatBoy | yeah, it's just a testbox to see what happens :) |
| 23:21.43 | h3sp4wn | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL (you can set that when you use make-kpkg - same as make -jX) |
| 23:22.02 | h3sp4wn | Should speed up compilation if you have more than 1 cpu |
| 23:22.19 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: i'm not postive other than the version for dhcp-client is: 2.0pl5-19.4 ...dhcp3-client version is: 3.0.4 and description is... "This is the DHCP client from version 3 of the Internet Software Consortium DHCP package." |
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| 23:22.33 | cilkay | MatBoy: I've always fround the folks at #xen tremendously helpful, btw. |
| 23:22.45 | cilkay | er, found too |
| 23:22.52 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: i fon't know what the difference with pump is |
| 23:22.57 | onetinsoldier | don't* |
| 23:23.04 | MatBoy | cilkay, let me go there tomorrow |
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| 23:23.10 | MatBoy | thanks a lot ! |
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| 23:23.50 | cilkay | MatBoy: irc.oftc.net, btw |
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| 23:25.43 | cilkay | If I login at a console, my .bash_aliases work as expected. If I get a shell via ssh, they don't. Any idea why? |
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| 23:26.13 | cilkay | I don't see any test for console vs. remote shell for including .bash_aliases |
| 23:26.21 | cilkay | ... in .bashrc |
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| 23:26.51 | MatBoy | cilkay, ok thanks again ! |
| 23:26.57 | Heart_2 | onetinsoldier, will try it now.... thanks for your help |
| 23:26.59 | cilkay | you're welcome |
| 23:27.00 | Irrumator | cilkay: .bash_profile |
| 23:27.14 | onetinsoldier | Heart_2: you're welcome, good luck! |
| 23:27.15 | Irrumator | the test should be there |
| 23:28.05 | cilkay | Irrumator: yes, what about it? I don't see anything in there that should make it behave this way. |
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| 23:28.39 | Irrumator | cilkay: .bash_aliases is sourced in .bashrc? |
| 23:29.04 | cilkay | Irrumator: correct |
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| 23:29.34 | Irrumator | and .bashrc is sourced in .bash_profile? |
| 23:29.36 | cilkay | if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then . ~/.bash_aliases fi |
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| 23:30.29 | Irrumator | look over all of .bashrc to see if there's a test regarding shell type that return;'s early |
| 23:30.33 | Irrumator | mine has that |
| 23:30.59 | jaybar | i cant find a definative answer about whether or not debian supports ntfs winxp partition resizeing. can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:31.53 | th0ger | Howto Adobe Shockwave flash on deb/firefox? |
| 23:32.45 | pipeline | th0ger: Add nonfree to /etc/apt/sources.list for flash. No shockwave is available. |
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| 23:33.42 | jazbo2185 | `apt-cache show crip` tells me that crip can encode to mp3 but the man page says nothing about how to do that. Man page claims it just does vorbis/flac. What gives? |
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| 23:34.12 | th0ger | pipeline: so no hacks for shockwave, even? |
| 23:34.24 | pipeline | th0ger: I just said no. Christ. |
| 23:34.39 | th0ger | pipeline: sorry |
| 23:34.44 | cast | jazbo2185: grip? |
| 23:34.53 | jazbo2185 | cast: I don't want a gui |
| 23:35.04 | cilkay | So many things don't work in Debian as I'm used to. E.g. screen complains "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty1' - please check." On every other distro I've run, it's a matter of installing screen and using it. |
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| 23:35.20 | cilkay | It probably has to do with running in a Xen VPS. |
| 23:35.37 | jaybar | the deb install manual indicates ntfs resize is possible but im getting flac back like "unknown error" can debian installer resize ntfs? |
| 23:35.42 | cast | jazbo2185: oh. anyway. it'l call oggenc to encode |
| 23:36.08 | cilkay | But still, not something I've ever had to deal with on any other distro. |
| 23:36.08 | pipeline | jaybar: No. |
| 23:36.14 | jaybar | pipeline: k thnx |
| 23:36.27 | cast | jazbo2185: if you want to encode to mp3 you'll need to install lame, which isn't in debian. any reason for not using the better codec? [vorbis] |
| 23:36.30 | jaybar | what about qparted or qtparted? |
| 23:36.53 | jazbo2185 | cast: unfortunatly I've got a bunch of portable audio players that only use mp3 |
| 23:36.54 | pipeline | jaybar: No. |
| 23:37.18 | jaybar | k guess its time to look at partitionmajik or something ..thanks |
| 23:37.27 | bucky | th0ger, flash works fine... if you really insist on having shockwave as well it does run in wine http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/11917-macromedia-shockwave.html |
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| 23:38.02 | bucky | jaybar, i like GParted live cd (about 30M) http://gparted.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 23:38.12 | jazbo2185 | anyone recommend a good flash based portable ogg player? |
| 23:38.16 | aFlag | hello. Is there some kind of guide or documentation about how I compile a sid package into etch? |
| 23:38.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm compiling a kernel. I've got 1GB of memory. Do I select the 3G/1G or the 3G/1G (for full 1G low memory) |
| 23:38.52 | pipeline | Dark_Apostrophe: Don't compile a kernel. |
| 23:38.59 | aFlag | So I generate an etch package version for the sid package |
| 23:39.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | pipeline: Thanks, but it's not that advice I'm interested in |
| 23:39.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone have any real advice for me? |
| 23:40.02 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: let me open 'make menuconfig' and i'll see if i can answer |
| 23:40.25 | aFlag | Dark_Apostrophe: don't the help say anything relevant? |
| 23:40.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | onetinsoldier: It's under the processor type and features section |
| 23:40.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | aFlag: Nope |
| 23:40.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got 1GB DDR ram. |
| 23:40.55 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: k, hang on a sec |
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| 23:41.37 | th0ger | bucky: thanks. I dont _insist_ on using shockwave :), but unfortunately I think my net-tv provider does.. :-/ |
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| 23:42.25 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: i'm not certan i have a definitive answer. i have 2 gigs ram and mine is set at 3G/1G |
| 23:42.41 | niles | hi guys |
| 23:42.41 | Heart_ | onetinsoldier, worked up to 90% :)... problem is i must set an essid to thet eth1 interface... how to do that before dhcp? |
| 23:42.52 | niles | will lspci display the chipset for my wifi card ? |
| 23:42.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | onetinsoldier: Will choosing that work for me? |
| 23:43.19 | jazbo2185 | Heart_: `ifconfig eth1 essid foo`? |
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| 23:43.44 | niles | do all wmp54g's (or all of a particular model) have the same chipset ? |
| 23:43.50 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: yes.. i believe it will, it's just i thought there'd be something more in the way of the help description in there |
| 23:44.00 | aFlag | onetinsoldier: where are you guys seen that option? I don't seem to have it |
| 23:44.06 | Heart_ | jazbo2185, yes... but how to do that at boot time autom.? |
| 23:44.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | onetinsoldier: There isn't, as you see. |
| 23:44.26 | jazbo2185 | Heart_: ah yeah, I would like to know that too |
| 23:44.45 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah.. so i can see whay your asking, but for 1GB ram i'd just leave it at the deafult |
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| 23:45.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hrm... 1/3 won't hurt, will it? (the default was the second one) |
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| 23:45.26 | EnterUserName | hi all |
| 23:45.31 | EnterUserName | im trying to do an apt-get update |
| 23:45.34 | EnterUserName | and im getting this error message |
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| 23:45.49 | EnterUserName | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 23:45.49 | EnterUserName | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 23:45.49 | EnterUserName | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 23:45.57 | EnterUserName | But apt-get update is not fixing it |
| 23:46.03 | killown | how to autologin xdm? |
| 23:46.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | You need to get that key from a public keyserver. |
| 23:46.06 | EnterUserName | any ideas how tofix it/ |
| 23:46.08 | onetinsoldier | Heart_: hmmm, i don't know much about the wireless stuff, sorry. just state description of where you at and ask question and maybe someone else can help you get to 100% ;) |
| 23:46.26 | EnterUserName | Dark: where is there instructions on how to do that and where is the pub key server? |
| 23:46.27 | killown | hey |
| 23:46.28 | killown | please |
| 23:46.29 | onetinsoldier | aFlag: hello. what version of kernel? |
| 23:46.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | gpg -key something something... I don't remember. |
| 23:46.36 | EnterUserName | darn it :( |
| 23:46.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | EnterUserName: Just search for your problem on a search engine |
| 23:46.53 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 23:46.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | You're sure to find a wiki or something |
| 23:47.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just replace the key written there with the one apt is asking for |
| 23:47.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | and do the commands |
| 23:47.11 | killown | please |
| 23:47.12 | rumpl | Dark_Apostrophe, Do I select the 3G/1G or the 3G/1G << huh? |
| 23:47.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | apt key add - and such. |
| 23:47.16 | killown | how to autologin xdm? |
| 23:47.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | rumpl: 3G/1G or 3G/1G (for full 1G low memory) |
| 23:47.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Two different options |
| 23:47.56 | nrdb | I am having some trouble with vnc4server, I think the problem steems from it looking in /usr/share/fonts/X11/ for several font directories (misc,Speedo,Type1,CID.75dpi.100dpi) none of which exists, which package should I install to get these fonts ? |
| 23:47.58 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: perhaps ask about this kernel option in the #kernel channel? |
| 23:48.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nah.. It's almost 1AM. Can't be arsed to ask twice. |
| 23:48.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 23:48.39 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 23:48.51 | bucky | Dark_Apostrophe, check out the Should I enable CONFIG_HIGHMEM for my 1 GB RAM system? paragraph at http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 23:48.55 | aFlag | onetinsoldier: 2.6.18.1 |
| 23:48.56 | jazbo2185 | Heart_: /etc/init.d/network |
| 23:49.55 | onetinsoldier | aFlag: ok... here is where you should find it... Processor type and features ---> Memory split (3G/1G user/kernel split) ---> (options) |
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| 23:50.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | bucky: :( |
| 23:50.50 | onetinsoldier | aFlag: unless 2.6.18.1 doesn have it... i am using 2.6.18.3 |
| 23:50.56 | Heart_ | wireless-essid ESID <-- line in the /etc/network/interfaces I found on a board |
| 23:51.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | onetinsoldier: I'll just try the 3G/1G one and hope for the best. |
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| 23:52.59 | onetinsoldier | Dark_Apostrophe: ok... hopefully they'll put something in the help for that one before too long |
| 23:53.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah. |
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| 23:55.30 | aFlag | hum, I don't find it, but it's not much relevant for me anyways... |
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| 23:55.44 | aFlag | maybe I had to set something that I haven't |
| 23:56.16 | aFlag | anyhow, does anyone know a guide teaching me how to compile a sid package into etch? So I can make my own etch package |
| 23:56.59 | nrdb | where should I be able to find the fonts ? |
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