| 00:00.10 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: "just add 512 to the number instead of converting to hex" |
| 00:00.15 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know where to start at all |
| 00:00.23 | streuner | abrotman: http://www.ciao.co.uk/HP_PhotoSmart_M305__6541155 |
| 00:00.24 | onetinsoldier | eeyore-: adding 512 will convert to hex? |
| 00:00.34 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: no, dude ... ok, let's start over |
| 00:00.36 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 00:00.39 | DavidProck1981 | how do i open smb |
| 00:00.40 | michael117 | DavidProck1981: do an apt-cache search smb and then install packages that seem necessary like smbclient |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | !smbclient |
| 00:00.50 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:00.58 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: you can (a) convert to hex and add 0x200, or (b) just add 512, because ... drum roll ... 0x200 = 512 decimal, get it? |
| 00:01.27 | mango | abortman: /msg ifrp shows only information about lilo and grub. power book laptop does not rung on any of those. would it still work ? |
| 00:01.30 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: so it doesn't matter if you add 0x200 or add 512, because, it's all the same |
| 00:01.46 | onetinsoldier | eeyore-: ok.. gotcha now. thx |
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| 00:02.00 | DavidProck1981 | ok i still dot know wqhere ot start |
| 00:02.02 | abrotman | mango: i think so .. there's a #debianppc channel which might know more .. i'm not sure if yaboot works like that .. but it does make sense that it would |
| 00:02.06 | mango | infernix: would it work with any boot loader, cause mac do not user lilo or grub |
| 00:02.27 | madman215 | so where does that leave me with trying to get my camera to work? |
| 00:02.28 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: you can even add 2^9, or square root of 262144, or cube root of 134217728 |
| 00:02.33 | infernix | mango: only if you can add a bootup parameter somewhere to the kernel. if you can't, tough luck |
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| 00:02.47 | DavidProck1981 | ond my control center is broken so i cant see it htere |
| 00:03.04 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde how to fix it |
| 00:03.17 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 00:03.25 | DavidProck1981 | /loin #debian-kde |
| 00:03.33 | eeyore- | loin? |
| 00:03.42 | eeyore- | oh my |
| 00:03.47 | onetinsoldier | eeyore-: wth are you trying to do to me? make my head hurt? lol |
| 00:03.51 | DavidProck1981 | typo = join |
| 00:03.57 | streuner | madman215: what does 'dpkg -l udev' say? |
| 00:03.58 | mango | infernix & abortman: thank you:) |
| 00:04.04 | streuner | madman215: only one line |
| 00:04.31 | infernix | !high five |
| 00:04.31 | dpkg | low five |
| 00:04.54 | onetinsoldier | eeyore-: i am going to give this a try.. i take it i will need to modropbe radeonfb before trying one of the vbetest modes? |
| 00:05.04 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: no! |
| 00:05.08 | onetinsoldier | no? |
| 00:05.11 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: no |
| 00:05.21 | madman215 | ii udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon |
| 00:05.26 | onetinsoldier | am i only going to be using vseafb and nothing eles? |
| 00:05.26 | madman215 | after an error |
| 00:05.31 | jugglinx | DavidProck1981, for the kcontrol prob u need to run this line... : ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged |
| 00:05.32 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: right |
| 00:05.34 | onetinsoldier | vesafb* |
| 00:05.37 | streuner | madman215: what error? |
| 00:05.40 | onetinsoldier | ok.... |
| 00:05.42 | eeyore- | onetinsoldier: ok |
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| 00:05.49 | streuner | madman215: is 'hotplug' installed too? |
| 00:06.22 | michael117 | Here is my output when I try to install pretty much any new package with apt-get install: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4617 |
| 00:06.23 | madman215 | yes |
| 00:06.28 | onetinsoldier | eeyore-: i'll be back.... |
| 00:06.32 | Xnerd | MoDax: still there? it's running. thanks! got kde running but login screen wont show. had to use startx. any ideas? |
| 00:06.35 | enouf | madman215: dpkg -l hal hotplug |
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| 00:07.02 | streuner | uh |
| 00:07.06 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 00:07.06 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 00:07.24 | streuner | madman215: why do you want to broke your package system? |
| 00:07.31 | enouf | madman215: you;re not supposed to have hotplug wioth udev installed |
| 00:07.37 | streuner | madman215: show us your sources.list as well. |
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| 00:07.49 | abrotman | streuner: break |
| 00:08.05 | shwag | do I need to run MAKEDEV to initialize a basic static dev, or does udev not need that at all. |
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| 00:08.20 | abrotman | shwag: udev should do it magically |
| 00:08.22 | streuner | abrotman: heh? |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | streuner: i was helping your english skills :) |
| 00:08.33 | eeyore- | speaking of which ... |
| 00:08.33 | streuner | sure :-) (W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/l) |
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| 00:08.36 | k31th | abrotman: hows it going :D |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:08.56 | MoDaX | Xnerd: install kdm |
| 00:09.02 | DavidProck1981 | ok i did apt-get install smbclient and it install something now how do i use it |
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| 00:09.22 | enouf | shwag: I think udev will make it in /dev/.static/dev by itself |
| 00:09.23 | madman215 | i thought that ment i do have udev installed? |
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| 00:09.27 | streuner | madman215: please use the channel, there are good reasons for (abrotman need to learn) :-) |
| 00:09.29 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: read the man page |
| 00:09.37 | abrotman | streuner: needs |
| 00:09.40 | DavidProck1981 | how |
| 00:09.44 | abrotman | man smbclient |
| 00:09.45 | DavidProck1981 | nan what |
| 00:09.46 | streuner | see |
| 00:09.47 | abrotman | man man |
| 00:09.49 | DavidProck1981 | man what |
| 00:09.51 | Xnerd | MoDax: suppose gdm is also an option? |
| 00:09.57 | k31th | I currently run a webserver, i don't have a firewall but i only run the services that i need + there always updated... should I setup a firewall if so pf or iptables? |
| 00:09.58 | abrotman | streuner: don't be an ass . i'm just trying to help you learn a bit :) |
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| 00:10.18 | streuner | honey, i missed you :-) |
| 00:10.20 | madman215 | im very confused |
| 00:10.25 | MoDaX | Xnerd: yes. but kdm provides better intregration with kde |
| 00:10.32 | streuner | just ask here, madman215 |
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| 00:10.50 | enouf | madman215: udev conflicts with hotplug and you should've seen warnings upon installation of udev (even though that's an older version) |
| 00:10.56 | DavidProck1981 | fine hoply goggle will hetp me better , normaly it dont lator, dont mean to be rood , but im on a time limit |
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| 00:11.21 | streuner | enouf: read his paste, he's mixing stable with unstable or whatever |
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| 00:11.28 | madman215 | i didnt manually install it |
| 00:11.32 | enouf | streuner: ahhh .. missed it |
| 00:11.43 | streuner | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4617 |
| 00:11.43 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:12.45 | madman215 | how do i fix it? |
| 00:12.49 | enouf | streuner: that's an LVM paste from michael117 |
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| 00:12.57 | enouf | AFAICY |
| 00:13.02 | enouf | AFAICT |
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| 00:13.11 | streuner | enouf: DOH |
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| 00:13.18 | infernix | actually, i've had it happen that sarge happily accepted udev + hotplug if you already had hotplug installed |
| 00:13.20 | Xnerd | MoDax: Many thanks. apt-get is doing is job. Again many thanks :) |
| 00:13.28 | infernix | but that was a while ago. |
| 00:13.29 | enouf | madman215: pastbin cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:13.36 | madman215 | ok |
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| 00:13.51 | madman215 | i forget its pastebin.? |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | infernix: because that was okay .. in etch/sid it's not |
| 00:14.03 | streuner | madman215: see? there are good reasons to ask in channel ;-) |
| 00:14.06 | infernix | abrotman: true, true |
| 00:14.07 | MoDaX | !pastebin |
| 00:14.07 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 00:14.08 | enouf | infernix: I've also heard that .. but I specifically recall BIG WARNINGS when upgrading .. heh |
| 00:14.36 | abrotman | enouf: that's for etch/sid .. sarge can have a udev+hotplug installed at the same time |
| 00:14.37 | infernix | enouf: yeah, but you know... users. *sighs* |
| 00:14.53 | enouf | abrotman: weird |
| 00:15.00 | abrotman | not at all |
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| 00:15.05 | streuner | what abrotman said is true |
| 00:15.12 | quintin | Hi, I'm having some problems getting oscommerce to install on my debian. it is a php mysql app. could someone assist me? |
| 00:15.13 | infernix | udev would disable itself when hotplug was still instaleld |
| 00:15.13 | enouf | infernix: pebkac ? sure :-) |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | quintin: we need errors! |
| 00:15.38 | enouf | infernix: then what's the purpose |
| 00:15.43 | madman215 | http://pastebin.ca/260074 |
| 00:15.49 | infernix | enouf: probably "smooth transitioning"? :) |
| 00:15.53 | enouf | heh |
| 00:16.24 | streuner | madman215: well, just try the 'usb-storage' way then |
| 00:16.27 | infernix | nah, afaik it was the 2.6.x kernels which required or preferred udev over hutplug |
| 00:16.29 | enouf | infernix: udev has undergone many changes .. since that version .. and still needs more |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | udev didn't used to do the job of hotplug so there wasn't an issue in having them cohabitate |
| 00:16.43 | madman215 | how do i do that |
| 00:16.43 | quintin | abrotman: there is no error message.. it just stops |
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| 00:16.47 | abrotman | quintin: stops how ? |
| 00:16.52 | MoDaX | udev+coldplug |
| 00:16.55 | gbw | what do you guys think, is it better to use laptop or desktop with UPS in area with blackouts and power-surges? |
| 00:17.02 | infernix | quintin: turn on debugging/verbosity. turn on php error logs. check apache error logs. |
| 00:17.06 | streuner | madman215: you should see something for 'sda' or sdb' then |
| 00:17.07 | quintin | abrotman: the page doesn't render to end.. it just goes halfway. |
| 00:17.18 | madman215 | where should i see that? |
| 00:17.18 | abrotman | shouldn't the UPS kind of take the laptop/desktop out of the equation ? |
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| 00:17.24 | abrotman | quintin: can we see? |
| 00:17.27 | Azar | gbw use the one that consumes less power |
| 00:17.34 | enouf | madman215: dpkg -l hal |
| 00:17.37 | itchi | How come it that on a computer i can install an package and on the other computer looks like he not know that package? He not find it. But use the same source list on both computer |
| 00:17.52 | madman215 | ii hal 0.4.7-3sarge1 Hardware Abstraction Layer |
| 00:17.58 | infernix | madman215: not sure what streuner means.. but I'm guessing you should dpkg --purge hotplug and then apt-get install --reinstall udev |
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| 00:18.14 | gbw | Azar, does laptop or desktop consume less power? |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | quintin: are there errors in the apache log ? |
| 00:18.19 | Azar | itchi: depends... are both computer using the very same hardware? |
| 00:18.20 | MoDaX | itchi: are arches on both computers the same? |
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| 00:18.31 | MoDaX | s/on/of/ |
| 00:18.34 | Azar | gbw, I do not know, never used a laptop |
| 00:18.35 | enouf | madman215: cat /proc/partitions .. see any /dev/sda ?? dmesg | tail for usb stuff and lsusb -v |
| 00:18.36 | gbw | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 00:18.53 | enouf | madman215: lshal | grep block.device |
| 00:19.00 | Azar | gbw but, take in consideration that the screen display might consume additiona power |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | gbw: a laptop .. ask #hardware |
| 00:19.03 | quintin | abrotman: not sure, I'm turning on php error reporting now. |
| 00:19.09 | abrotman | okay |
| 00:19.11 | itchi | Azar and MoDaX : One is AMD and have that package installed, and the other is an Intel Duo |
| 00:19.25 | infernix | madman215: what kernel version are you running? |
| 00:19.28 | Azar | itchi, see, there is a difference out there |
| 00:19.28 | MoDaX | itchi: both amd64 ? |
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| 00:19.32 | quintin | abrotman: no apache errors |
| 00:19.38 | itchi | MoDaX: No 64 |
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| 00:19.51 | gbw | Azar, it will be used as a server, so the display might be off the most time |
| 00:19.56 | madman215 | infernix, 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 00:20.00 | infernix | aha |
| 00:20.11 | Azar | gbw then google and find out which might consume more |
| 00:20.12 | itchi | Azar and MoDaX : It's about the john package. |
| 00:20.17 | infernix | madman215: consider running a 2.6 kernel with udev. should work much better. |
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| 00:20.47 | Seb__ | sup y'all |
| 00:21.02 | enouf | madman215: ahh .. 2.4.27 .. you may need tpo use MAKEDEV ? I dunno |
| 00:21.15 | MoDaX | itchi: weird |
| 00:21.16 | madman215 | makedev? |
| 00:21.18 | infernix | best is to upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 00:21.22 | infernix | !2.6 sarge |
| 00:21.27 | itchi | Azar and MoDaX : Want to test how fast it goes on the duo, maybe that will convince me to change my dumb pass |
| 00:21.29 | infernix | !sarge 2.6 |
| 00:21.39 | infernix | dang, whats that udev bpo factiod.. hrm |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one for your kernel |
| 00:21.46 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:21.48 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.18 is probably if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 00:21.50 | dvs | ha |
| 00:21.53 | enouf | madman215: ask others or visit www.tldp.org .. or just upgrade to 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 00:22.04 | Azar | itchi, not only the hardware, but also the kernel versions might create a difference |
| 00:22.09 | infernix | madman215: that info is for you. |
| 00:22.23 | streuner | but keep in mind, udev was in sarge not that perfect... |
| 00:22.28 | itchi | With the Etch installer, these no more ask if we want to use that shadow password. I have not see that. Is that now default enabled? |
| 00:22.29 | MoDaX | itchi: are you sure sources.list are the same? |
| 00:22.30 | enouf | infernix: but that then becomes an unofficial and security concern |
| 00:22.32 | gbw | abrotman, you would choose laptop? |
| 00:22.37 | streuner | like in unstable nowadays |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | gbw: for a server? |
| 00:22.49 | infernix | enouf: we're talking desktop here |
| 00:22.55 | gbw | abrotman, yes, webserver |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | gbw: no freaking way would i choose a laptop |
| 00:23.07 | DavidProck1981 | FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF GOD WILL SOME ONE TELL ME HOW TO OPEN THE WINDOWS c:\ folder on my linux system the windows network ip is 192.168.1.103, that pc is ready to go ,mine is not |
| 00:23.14 | enouf | infernix: IOW .. if his system wasn't completely sarge .. I'd say go for it .. |
| 00:23.22 | abrotman | woohoo .. he can spell now |
| 00:23.23 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: kde/gnome? |
| 00:23.23 | itchi | Azar: 2.6.17-2-k7 and 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:23.27 | enouf | infernix: yeah .. ok |
| 00:23.29 | infernix | enouf: it is completely sarge |
| 00:23.30 | gbw | abrotman, would you tell me why you would not? |
| 00:23.32 | DavidProck1981 | kde |
| 00:23.35 | madman215 | im so confused again |
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| 00:23.39 | enouf | infernix: I know |
| 00:23.45 | itchi | MoDaX: Yup, checked for the 6 time :-) |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | gbw: the hardware is made for portability .. not durability |
| 00:23.53 | Azar | itchi: I have no idea what a john is, never saw it on Debian.. |
| 00:23.57 | abrotman | not made for speed either |
| 00:24.05 | DavidProck1981 | KDE |
| 00:24.10 | streuner | madman215: you're not alone ;-) |
| 00:24.11 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: enter smb://192.168.1.103 in konqueror |
| 00:24.11 | ducknz | Hi, how do I fix the ADSL problem where uploads kill your connection? Something to do with increasing the priority of ACKs? |
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| 00:24.16 | enouf | infernix: backported jernels are unofficial ..yes? |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | ducknz: the MTU ? |
| 00:24.22 | enouf | kernels even |
| 00:24.24 | madman215 | so the bottom line is this camera isnt going to work |
| 00:24.28 | itchi | Azar: I have use that long time ago, still installed on the K7 right now. |
| 00:24.40 | DavidProck1981 | error with time out on server |
| 00:24.40 | gbw | abrotman, that is a good point, but isnt there any laptop which can support durability? |
| 00:24.46 | madman215 | unless i do a whole lot of work |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | gbw: the panasonic toughbook .. but they're expensive |
| 00:24.58 | infernix | enouf: sure its unofficial, but only udev, module-init-tools and lsb-base (iirc) are installed from bpo. kernels are afaik backports from etch as well, so not that unofficial, but i guess it's not as security official as sarge kernels. then again, i always build my own so heh |
| 00:25.04 | ducknz | abrotman: Hi again! Erm, I don't think so... Could be, we have 128Kb/s upload limits here and uploading kills downloads |
| 00:25.06 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: is firewall ok on that windows system? |
| 00:25.19 | streuner | madman215: no, the camera should work, it seems to be a bitch now. |
| 00:25.20 | abrotman | ducknz: use rate limit ? |
| 00:25.22 | DavidProck1981 | let me sheck |
| 00:25.24 | itchi | Azar: I have do an search on google. John is still in unstable, stable, testing i not see about it. |
| 00:25.30 | enouf | infernix: ok .. just wanted to be clear for myself |
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| 00:25.40 | itchi | Azar: Weird |
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| 00:25.45 | gbw | abrotman, if money doesnt matter, would you still not use a laptop for a server? |
| 00:25.48 | madman215 | maybe a reboot will help? with the camera pluged in and on? |
| 00:25.51 | Azar | itchi: with unstable packages you can expect any problems |
| 00:26.00 | streuner | madman215: just try to install a 2.6.x kernel |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | gbw: depends on the purpose and how many people depend on it |
| 00:26.06 | enouf | madman215: upgrade to 2.6.8-3-686 .. rthen if necessary you can qworry about late kernels |
| 00:26.09 | infernix | gbw: point me to multicore multi-power laptops with room for raid cards :) |
| 00:26.21 | enouf | later even |
| 00:26.27 | itchi | Azar: Yup, yup, Etch here |
| 00:26.28 | DavidProck1981 | well it WAS on ,, not now |
| 00:26.31 | enouf | madman215: using Grub? |
| 00:26.39 | madman215 | enouf, yes |
| 00:26.44 | DavidProck1981 | STILL DONT WORK |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | gbw: laptops are way slower too |
| 00:26.48 | DavidProck1981 | same erroe |
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| 00:26.52 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: stop screaming |
| 00:26.56 | enouf | !tell madman215 about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 00:26.57 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 00:27.07 | sobersabre | good night all |
| 00:27.13 | itchi | Azar: Maybe i go to look for crack, i'm not yet sure if my shadow password(or whatever)are active. |
| 00:27.25 | gbw | abrotman, is should be only a webserver, so i think with 1ghz will also do the job |
| 00:27.30 | karsten | What replaces console-data in etch? |
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| 00:27.35 | DavidProck1981 | im on a real shot time limit and i really need to get this done |
| 00:27.39 | infernix | itchi: man shadowconfig |
| 00:27.40 | itchi | Azar: Before, the installer asked about it, now no more |
| 00:27.40 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know where to find current instructions for installing beryl? |
| 00:27.41 | ducknz | gbw: It's only a webserver now... In the future? |
| 00:27.44 | streuner | !hurry |
| 00:27.44 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 00:27.47 | itchi | infernix: Thanks |
| 00:27.50 | Azar | itchi with a testing distro and unstable packages the sky is the limit, use your imagination |
| 00:27.55 | enouf | madman215: what CPU ?? cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "Model name" |
| 00:27.57 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: smbclient -L 192.168.1.103 |
| 00:27.58 | madman215 | enouf, isnt updating the kernel kinda of a big deal? |
| 00:28.01 | gbw | ducknz, it will only be a webserver, also in the future |
| 00:28.07 | enouf | madman215: no .. not at all |
| 00:28.09 | abrotman | gbw: i wouldn't do it .. but that's just me |
| 00:28.11 | DavidProck1981 | do the in the konsole??? |
| 00:28.23 | madman215 | enouf, model name of what? |
| 00:28.29 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: yes, wanna know if you get anything |
| 00:28.38 | ducknz | gbw: Famous last words :P I'd avoid the laptop too... JMHO |
| 00:28.42 | enouf | madman215: read what i wrote please |
| 00:28.47 | DavidProck1981 | session request to 192.168.1.103 failed (Called name not present) |
| 00:29.14 | gbw | abrotman, actually i would use desktop with ups also, but i want to know what speaks against using a laptop |
| 00:29.14 | infernix | DavidProck1981: are you sure the windoze firewall is off and that the machine has a share? |
| 00:29.21 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 00:29.21 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: are you sure IP is correct? |
| 00:29.25 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 00:29.31 | abrotman | gbw: speed and durability |
| 00:29.37 | enouf | madman215: sorry typo earlier --> fixed --> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" |
| 00:29.45 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: do ping 192.168.1.103 |
| 00:30.00 | itchi | Azar: Did another apt search on another Etch box, john still available, same source list |
| 00:30.07 | madman215 | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1333MHz |
| 00:30.14 | gbw | abrotman, any other aspects beside that? heh |
| 00:30.18 | karsten | What replaces console-data in etch? |
| 00:30.20 | itchi | heh that's real weird |
| 00:30.23 | DavidProck1981 | ok it keeps going and wont stop |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | gbw: it's a server .. that should be enough |
| 00:30.27 | infernix | DavidProck1981: ctrl-c |
| 00:30.43 | abrotman | karsten: console-data |
| 00:30.47 | Azar | itchi the only thing I can think of, compare the /etc/apt/sources.list file from both computers |
| 00:30.50 | enouf | madman215: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:30.57 | DavidProck1981 | abd i see the network lishts on the windows box flashing as of now that i did that |
| 00:31.07 | DavidProck1981 | lights* |
| 00:31.16 | madman215 | ok but the dpkg said something about grub, so i need to do that? |
| 00:31.25 | DavidProck1981 | 76 packets transmitted, 69 received, 9% packet loss, time 75021ms |
| 00:31.30 | enouf | madman215: and reread what dpkg told you about /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | you have 9% packet loss on your LAN? |
| 00:31.43 | itchi | Azar: Yup, did that, im to lazy to look :-) |
| 00:31.44 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 00:31.46 | infernix | DavidProck1981: you have 75201ms latency? |
| 00:31.55 | nanotube | does enyone know something about winbind and samba.. I can not find solution to get getent passwd return domain users.. please help..:-) |
| 00:31.57 | DavidProck1981 | well my end is wireless |
| 00:32.00 | Azar | itchi, here my knowledge ends then.. good luck |
| 00:32.00 | madman215 | enouf, so i just add those two lines to the bottom of the conf? |
| 00:32.02 | enouf | madman215: just check that those parameterds are set |
| 00:32.07 | DavidProck1981 | the windows is wired |
| 00:32.07 | infernix | DavidProck1981: that is a LOT of lag, really |
| 00:32.10 | madman215 | ok |
| 00:32.17 | itchi | Azar: Thanks for the support ;-) Still weird hehe |
| 00:32.20 | DavidProck1981 | so now what |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | nanotube: ask #samba |
| 00:32.22 | enouf | madman215: cat the file , and see if they are corect |
| 00:32.42 | enouf | madman215: also .. cat /proc/cmdline |
| 00:32.55 | itchi | Azar: Gona tryout crack, testing an new tool for me |
| 00:32.55 | nanotube | abrotman: I did but they are sleeping there:-)) |
| 00:32.55 | enouf | madman215: paste the output right here |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | nanotube: wait a bit |
| 00:33.32 | infernix | DavidProck1981: ah n/m i misread that. well, lets see. try telnet 192.168.1.103 139, does that do anything? |
| 00:33.44 | itchi | How can i see the status of shadowconfig ? |
| 00:33.47 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: nmblookup "*" |
| 00:33.49 | nanotube | abrotman: ok.. |
| 00:33.56 | karsten | abrotman: What's the debootstrap post-install first step? Looks like I'm missing a few things. Like apt-get, aptitude. dselect doesn't know about 'deb' method. |
| 00:33.57 | madman215 | root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | nanotube: they're really the people to ask |
| 00:34.00 | infernix | itchi: less /etc/passwd, see if there are any password hashes |
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| 00:34.09 | infernix | karsten: base-config |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | there's no base-config in etch/sid |
| 00:34.28 | DavidProck1981 | Connected to 192.168.1.103. |
| 00:34.39 | infernix | ah right, what did they change it to again, hmm |
| 00:34.40 | DavidProck1981 | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 00:34.41 | madman215 | enouf, am i good to go? |
| 00:34.53 | DavidProck1981 | and has not return to prompt |
| 00:35.09 | itchi | infernix: I not see my password there, nor canabis |
| 00:35.16 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: press ctrl+]. |
| 00:35.34 | enouf | madman215: ok .. looks good .. maybe wanna try to modprobe ohci modprobe ehci etc .. but if that doesn't work .. upgrade the kernel .. and if those settings in /etc/kernel-img.conf are correct .. you'll see the new shiny kernel during a reboot into Grub :-) |
| 00:35.47 | itchi | infernix: Or is that just that x symbol? |
| 00:35.50 | DavidProck1981 | oh n/m it did this: Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 00:35.52 | infernix | DavidProck1981: well, i'm at a loss now. |
| 00:36.07 | infernix | itchi: x symbol means that shadow passwords are active. see /etc/shadow. |
| 00:36.18 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: do nmblookup "*" |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | he's not naming a share perhaps ? |
| 00:36.41 | infernix | nah, smbclient -L failed. that shouldnt. |
| 00:36.44 | enouf | madman215: modprobe usbcore .. I'm just guessing though about why your camera doesn't appear |
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| 00:37.15 | DavidProck1981 | querying * on 192.168.1.255 name_query failed to find name * |
| 00:37.19 | itchi | infernix: Yeah, i have read that man page, near sure that it is my first time i read an man page so fast |
| 00:37.37 | karsten | Hrm. Actually, it's sarge. |
| 00:37.55 | streuner | madman215: you said something earlier about usb-storage, '/var/log/messages told you that usb-storages isn't supported'? |
| 00:37.55 | infernix | karsten: base-config should be it. debootstrap, chroot, mount proc(!), base-config |
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| 00:39.00 | itchi | infernix: Yeah, my dumb password is stone |
| 00:39.13 | magyar | hi, i have a beef with iceweasel, when i logout and have a session active and log back in, i get a message "Restore previous session" prompt, how can I default it to "Yes" ? |
| 00:39.29 | itchi | So that's now default enabled shadow password in Etch |
| 00:39.30 | karsten | infernix: I'm using debootstrap-0.3, finding bugs. |
| 00:39.38 | karsten | infernix: Lackign a devices file. Sorted that.... |
| 00:39.44 | infernix | karsten: use cdebootstrap? |
| 00:39.56 | karsten | infernix: Converting RHEL system w/o burner. |
| 00:39.57 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: what windows version is that remote box? |
| 00:40.00 | madman215 | streuner, it dosent say anything about it |
| 00:40.07 | DavidProck1981 | xp |
| 00:40.22 | infernix | karsten: aha. check this: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 00:40.27 | streuner | enouf: fuck, i got no entry in newsnet nor in web for that camera... |
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| 00:40.35 | shadowarts | when i run 'apt-get install mysql-server' it gives me these errors: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/S8z4PR95.html |
| 00:40.37 | karsten | infernix: Nondestructive converstion ;-) |
| 00:40.38 | enouf | madman215: doea dmesg | tail tell you the device is seen?? |
| 00:40.40 | itchi | With which drug is that shadow pass made? |
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| 00:40.52 | shadowarts | im not sure what i did :S never had a problem setting it up before |
| 00:41.00 | enouf | streuner: wow .. hrm |
| 00:41.04 | infernix | karsten: thats what swap space is for :) |
| 00:41.17 | streuner | enouf: he said he used it before with SuSE, though. |
| 00:41.18 | madman215 | isnt dmesg just for boot time? |
| 00:41.28 | itchi | Or is there another 'man shadowconfig' that i should read? |
| 00:41.31 | enouf | streuner: the saga continues :-) |
| 00:41.38 | infernix | itchi: read up about PAM |
| 00:41.44 | enouf | madman215: not cioncerning hitplug events |
| 00:41.45 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: smbclient -I 192.168.1.103 -L nevermind |
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| 00:42.11 | karsten | infernix: Stop tempting me. |
| 00:42.16 | enouf | madman215: er excuse the fat fingers .. heh |
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| 00:42.24 | itchi | infernix: Not man pam?? Not about gfx? |
| 00:42.26 | infernix | karsten: stop torturing yourself :) |
| 00:42.30 | karsten | infernix: Well, it's not entirely nondestructive. |
| 00:42.30 | enouf | !yempt karsten |
| 00:42.34 | enouf | crap |
| 00:42.40 | madman215 | enouf, ya, but is not claimed by any active driver |
| 00:42.45 | karsten | infernix: ... I did blow way the XP installation. |
| 00:42.48 | karsten | !temp enouf |
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| 00:42.53 | DavidProck1981 | session request to 192.168.1.103 failed (Called name not present) session request to 192 failed (Called name not present) session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present) |
| 00:42.53 | karsten | !tempt enouf |
| 00:42.53 | enouf | madman215: then start modprobing modules |
| 00:42.58 | karsten | Feh. |
| 00:43.00 | enouf | hah! |
| 00:43.08 | karsten | enouf: Lead us not intypo temptation.... |
| 00:43.26 | Supaplex | s/in/into / |
| 00:43.27 | onetinsoldier | lol.... intypo eh |
| 00:43.27 | enouf | but deliver us from ourselves |
| 00:43.45 | madman215 | what modules? and how will i know when its working? will gnome do something special |
| 00:43.51 | magyar | anyone know how to bypass "Restore Previous Session" in iceweasel? |
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| 00:44.10 | abrotman | close all the tabs? |
| 00:44.10 | infernix | magyar: check google? probably a better bet |
| 00:44.11 | enouf | madman215: yeah .. it'll dance and sing and start doing the mambo .. |
| 00:44.17 | karsten | magyar: Use Konqueror ;-) |
| 00:44.27 | madman215 | sweet |
| 00:44.34 | karsten | magyar: ... otherwise, check the extension options and/or ask #firefox. |
| 00:44.43 | madman215 | i have always secretly wanted to see gnome do the mombo |
| 00:44.51 | itchi | That shadow password, can we easy convert that hash? |
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| 00:45.06 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: I guess windows is misconfigured. |
| 00:45.30 | magyar | karsten: i'm looking through the list |
| 00:45.43 | streuner | madman215: what did you use in SuSE to get this camera to work? |
| 00:45.48 | infernix | itchi: it's a slightly modified MD5 hash iirc, so no, not unless you have a beowulf cluster or some other form of massive cpu power. maybe with rainbowcrack, im not sure. |
| 00:46.09 | madman215 | streuner, i just plugged it in |
| 00:46.29 | enouf | madman215: modprobe -l | grep usb .. but it'll output many modules ..look through the /serial and /storage Dirs |
| 00:46.29 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: or try accessing via its netbios name |
| 00:46.51 | streuner | so its usb-storage, on the other hand its NOT supported by gphoto2 http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php |
| 00:46.55 | DavidProck1981 | do what exzactly |
| 00:46.56 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: just enter smb:/ in konq |
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| 00:47.09 | itchi | infernix: And with the new duo, is there any chance? |
| 00:47.13 | infernix | DavidProck1981: are you sure that the XP machine has File and Printer sharing installed in its Network thingie in the Control Panel? |
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| 00:47.40 | itchi | infernix: Heh, my previous laptop was a 300MHz :-) |
| 00:47.42 | infernix | itchi: it takes *long*. google on john password cracker. maybe apt-get install john |
| 00:47.42 | madman215 | enouf, maybe the usb-storage.o? |
| 00:47.46 | enouf | madman215: you can modprobe to you hearts content .. they'll all disappear upon a reboot .. they need to be added to /etc/modules to stay in effect and active and present |
| 00:47.55 | DavidProck1981 | BRBRBBR |
| 00:48.00 | enouf | madman215: YEs .. you were told thatiions ago |
| 00:48.07 | magyar | karsten: browser.sessionstore.resume_from_cras |
| 00:48.09 | enouf | eons even |
| 00:48.10 | madman215 | then i did it |
| 00:48.11 | magyar | karsten: browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash |
| 00:48.24 | itchi | infernix: Heh, on one computer, the laptop, he not find that package john, source list are the same, not ask me how this come |
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| 00:48.30 | enouf | lsmod will tell you if you did or not |
| 00:48.34 | enouf | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 00:48.36 | infernix | itchi: might be in contrib |
| 00:48.37 | enouf | crap |
| 00:48.41 | enouf | madman215: ^^^ |
| 00:48.48 | madman215 | my camara turns itself off after so long, i just jeep turning it back on, thats not a big deal right |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | enouf: ? |
| 00:49.04 | itchi | infernix: I have used an stupid password, hoppes it's not to easy to break |
| 00:49.04 | MoDaX | itchi: are both apt-get update ? |
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| 00:49.12 | enouf | tab completion abrotman .. ooops |
| 00:49.15 | MoDaX | DavidProck1981: do you see anything? |
| 00:49.18 | magyar | karsten: then again it's not really a crash, it is the problem with KDE properly closing the session of iceweasel |
| 00:49.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:49.23 | stoned | abrotman, msg |
| 00:49.26 | itchi | MoDaX: Laptop have decenter updates |
| 00:49.37 | streuner | madman215: happens often, if the camera turns off the kernel prolly doesn't regonize that... |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | stoned: huh ? |
| 00:49.49 | eegore | I need to open ports for an application, is there a utility available for doing that in console |
| 00:49.59 | MoDaX | itchi: ? |
| 00:50.01 | streuner | eegore: the app itself |
| 00:50.01 | odla | http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/debian-4.0-rc1.png <- anyone know where i can get that wallpaper? i figured it would be the default wallpaper but sid didn't seem to bring it in |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | which one did you use to put in the firewall ? |
| 00:50.09 | enouf | I guess I missed the M .. for madman215 and hit the a only .. so M + a + Tab .. became a+tab |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | odla: url no workie |
| 00:50.27 | magyar | odla: |
| 00:50.27 | magyar | Forbidden |
| 00:50.27 | magyar | You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/debian-4.0-rc1.png on this server. |
| 00:50.35 | odla | really? |
| 00:50.36 | eegore | streuner: iptables? |
| 00:50.37 | odla | wtf |
| 00:50.42 | onetinsoldier | eegore: is your firewall blocking ports? or do you have a router that's blocking them? |
| 00:50.42 | itchi | MoDaX: Probably the apps have newer updates than the other desktops, like i did the last update today on the laptop |
| 00:50.45 | stoned | file permissions |
| 00:50.48 | odla | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061127#news |
| 00:50.53 | odla | scroll down to debian article |
| 00:51.15 | eegore | the router is transp[arent, the local lan cannot even access the spplication |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | odla: it's a gnome wallpaper |
| 00:51.30 | madman215 | im about to just step on the camera, see if that works |
| 00:51.48 | infernix | eegore: iptables -L -n -v, if it's empty then there's no firewalling set up whatsoever. |
| 00:51.49 | odla | abrotman: in a default gnome-desktop install? |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 00:51.58 | magyar | odla: that is a standard desktop for sid |
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| 00:52.12 | odla | magyar: i don't have it...and i'm running sid and gnome |
| 00:52.33 | MoDaX | odla: install gnome-desktop maybe ? |
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| 00:52.48 | itchi | Is there an way to checkout from where the app that are installed come from? |
| 00:52.49 | odla | i have gnome-desktop installed |
| 00:52.51 | MoDaX | !find desktop-base |
| 00:52.53 | dpkg | desktop-base: (common files for the Debian Desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.19 (sid), Packaged size: 1711 kB, Installed size: 2024 kB |
| 00:52.57 | quintin | How do I get mysql support in php on debian/ |
| 00:52.58 | eegore | input, forward, and accept are all empty |
| 00:52.59 | quintin | ? |
| 00:52.59 | MoDaX | or this one |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | odla: maybe ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:53.01 | infernix | itchi: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | quintin: apache1 or 2 ? |
| 00:53.08 | odla | abrotman: yeah that's a good idea |
| 00:53.11 | odla | /server irc.gnome.org |
| 00:53.12 | quintin | abrotman: 2 |
| 00:53.14 | odla | oops |
| 00:53.16 | odla | /server |
| 00:53.17 | odla | wtf |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | quintin: erm .. php4 or 5 :) |
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| 00:53.29 | stoned | 5 |
| 00:53.33 | stoned | more than likely |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | he didn't say that! |
| 00:53.37 | quintin | abrotman: who cares! 4.3.10-18 is what's on there now.. |
| 00:53.38 | odla | gaim is the stupidest irc ever |
| 00:53.39 | eegore | output |
| 00:53.47 | quintin | my app depends on 3 or 4, so 4 is fine |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | quintin: php4-mysql |
| 00:53.49 | itchi | infernix: Thats a file of an package, i know about which package it goes, but it's for my weird problem |
| 00:53.54 | stoned | abrotman, yo momma! |
| 00:53.56 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:54.02 | infernix | eegore: then there's no firewall active. |
| 00:54.12 | magyar | i think there seem to be a problem with KDE on SID with properly closing iceweasel application on logout. Do I file a bugreport? |
| 00:54.33 | infernix | magyar: you can use the reportbug package; try not to file two bugs:) |
| 00:54.34 | dvs | magyar: reportbut |
| 00:54.36 | MoDaX | magyar: no such problem here |
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| 00:54.41 | quintin | abrotman: it sez it is already installed.. wtf? :) |
| 00:54.43 | dvs | pfft |
| 00:54.51 | enouf | lol @ reportbutt |
| 00:54.52 | quintin | phpinfo() sez it was compiled without php support |
| 00:54.53 | DerJamster | magyar: not only in KDE. and Not only in SID |
| 00:55.02 | MoDaX | magyar: ah, on logout |
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| 00:55.14 | DerJamster | magyar: basically you mean the close firefox - start firefox - firefox is already running thing? |
| 00:55.23 | DerJamster | or literal logout? |
| 00:55.27 | dvs | enouf: My butt already does enough "reporting" ;-) |
| 00:55.36 | MoDaX | magyar: I usually don't leave iw open on logout. it's dangerous |
| 00:55.36 | enouf | heh |
| 00:55.37 | magyar | DerJamster: literal logout or shutdown |
| 00:55.37 | MoDaX | :) |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | quintin: check the php.ini .. grep mysql /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini .. see the extension line? is it commented ? |
| 00:56.21 | magyar | MoDaX: i have multiple desktops an have on each desktop a certain app, so every reboot i get my apps auto started |
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| 00:57.09 | computer13137 | Hi |
| 00:57.37 | computer13137 | brb |
| 00:57.37 | MoDaX | magyar: because iceweasel is not kde app, probably it does not get gracefully closed, but simply killed |
| 00:57.37 | sandman | So Java is now free |
| 00:57.37 | magyar | MoDaX: but KDE doesnt seem to close the new Iceweasel properly, therefore it generates a "Restore Session" error |
| 00:57.37 | quintin | abrotman: it is commented! wtf? :) |
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| 00:57.38 | magyar | MoDaX: i never had such issues with firefox 1.5 |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | quintin: uncomment it .. restart apache .. enjoy! |
| 00:57.51 | MoDaX | magyar: ff didn't have session restore |
| 00:57.56 | magyar | ahh |
| 00:57.57 | MoDaX | ff 1.5 that is |
| 00:58.15 | magyar | +_+ |
| 00:58.23 | computer13137 | Back |
| 00:58.25 | MoDaX | magyar: look at this from the bright side. now you get full session restore :) |
| 00:58.30 | computer13137 | Hey, I need some help with a pointless thing here... |
| 00:58.41 | Ronin | well if its pointless why bother |
| 00:58.42 | magyar | MoDaX: dont really need it :) |
| 00:58.44 | MoDaX | magyar: maybe it's a feature, not a bug |
| 00:58.56 | computer13137 | I would like to change my "Distro Name"... like what it shows in phpsysinfo. I know people who've done it, and I want to know what file I'm supposed to edit to do so. |
| 00:58.59 | quintin | abrotman: you're my hero. |
| 00:59.06 | MoDaX | magyar: why? konq does exacly the same |
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| 00:59.12 | abrotman | quintin: don't tell anyone |
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| 00:59.19 | MoDaX | it restores all tabs etc. |
| 00:59.21 | computer13137 | (Like I know people who have changed it to "Linux-is-1337" from like "Debian Testing" and stuff... I know it can be done easily, I just don't know how to do it.) |
| 00:59.32 | magyar | MoDaX: well i think all features should have options, but killing an app in kde session logout, is not the right thing to do |
| 00:59.34 | MoDaX | iceweasel even respores back history etc |
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| 00:59.44 | Ronin | computer13137: you dont like that is says debian? |
| 01:00.37 | computer13137 | Ronin: Well, I'm on Ubuntu Breezy, and I don't like that it says "debian testing" |
| 01:00.37 | computer13137 | :P |
| 01:00.47 | computer13137 | Nobody in #ubuntu knows. |
| 01:00.55 | computer13137 | Do I thought I'd go to stage 2, debian. |
| 01:00.57 | dvs | neither do we |
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| 01:01.06 | centrx | it's in a file in /etc somewhere |
| 01:01.10 | MoDaX | Ronin: /etc/debian_version ? |
| 01:01.23 | Gnurdux | i odnt think thats it |
| 01:01.29 | cureless | You want /etc/issue |
| 01:01.30 | computer13137 | Nope. |
| 01:01.41 | computer13137 | Oh? |
| 01:01.42 | computer13137 | Hold on |
| 01:01.44 | Gnurdux | yes probably |
| 01:01.48 | Ronin | MoDaX: i think you meant computer13137 not me |
| 01:01.50 | cureless | but the solution is probably to reinstall debian :-) |
| 01:01.54 | streuner | !tell computer13137 about enter |
| 01:01.56 | computer13137 | now wait, you're kidding me... |
| 01:01.58 | sussudio | !ubuntusmite computer13137 |
| 01:02.05 | computer13137 | Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" \n \l |
| 01:02.13 | MoDaX | Ronin: sorry, I need to go to sleep :) |
| 01:02.17 | computer13137 | Why does phpsysinfo read it as "Debian Testing\Unstable" if that's what's in /etc/issue? |
| 01:02.19 | Ronin | MoDaX: heh likewise |
| 01:02.20 | cureless | computer13137: how about /etc/issue.net ? |
| 01:02.30 | Ronin | computer13137: dont know, we dont run ubuntu here |
| 01:02.31 | quintin | Does apache2 install by default with a ssl cert? |
| 01:02.32 | cureless | computer13137: oh, I thought you meant login |
| 01:02.40 | computer13137 | Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" %h |
| 01:02.41 | MoDaX | computer13137: grep -rn 'Debian Testing' /etc |
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| 01:02.43 | cureless | computer13137: install debian or ask ubuntu |
| 01:02.47 | computer13137 | All checks out.. it all checks out. |
| 01:02.55 | computer13137 | Maybe this is a phpsysinfo problem. |
| 01:02.56 | computer13137 | :S |
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| 01:03.04 | Ronin | must be a ubuntu thing that makes folks not able to read ;) |
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| 01:03.37 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:03.46 | MoDaX | heh |
| 01:03.56 | optraz | hello, i got the error as show in http://pastebin.ca/260112 anybody can help? |
| 01:03.56 | Gnurdux | nobody reasds topics you know |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | quintin: no |
| 01:04.19 | Ronin | Gnurdux: that ill give you but #debian looks nothing like #ubuntu in spelling |
| 01:04.28 | MoDaX | optraz: replace hdd ? |
| 01:04.29 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 01:04.51 | optraz | MoDaX, why replace hdd? what made you think it need to replace a hdd? |
| 01:04.56 | Ronin | right time to go kill some ancestors on the wifes computer |
| 01:05.04 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:05.04 | MoDaX | optraz: looks like a hardware failure to me |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | Ronin: they live inside ? |
| 01:05.23 | optraz | MoDaX, which line tell u that? |
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| 01:05.39 | MoDaX | optraz: DriveReady SeekComplete Error |
| 01:05.41 | Ronin | abrotman: hell no, id have to move |
| 01:05.47 | Ronin | im thinking some cod2 to pass the time |
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| 01:05.56 | Kerr | is there anything explicitly broken about the nov 26th release of testing? I'm currently burning it to make a fresh install on my new hdd, and wanna know in advance if it will scare me (currently using stable) |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | Ronin: Cash On Delivery? |
| 01:06.14 | Ronin | abrotman: smart arse |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:06.24 | shwag | I am switching my eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces to be static and not dynamic. Do I need to keep the line that says " auto eth0 " |
| 01:06.25 | madman215 | ok so i reboot with the camara on, now in mount there is a usbfs on /proc/bus/usb |
| 01:06.39 | Ronin | grew: call of duty 2 |
| 01:06.44 | MoDaX | shwag: yes |
| 01:06.45 | Ronin | wwII fps |
| 01:06.45 | grew | oh |
| 01:06.52 | optraz | MoDaX, i dont know what is that. can u furnish me with more details? |
| 01:07.16 | Ronin | grew: me neither usually but i can certainly see how folks get addicted to them :) |
| 01:07.16 | onetinsoldier | itchi: hello. did you get an answer to your question, "Is there an way to checkout from where the app that are installed come from?" |
| 01:07.43 | grew | i havent even installed one since warcraft 3 |
| 01:07.57 | grew | which i played for about 3 weeks and gave up |
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| 01:08.05 | shwag | MoDaX: thats strange. The example here doesn't include it. https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html |
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| 01:09.21 | madman215 | so now what? |
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| 01:09.48 | MoDaX | optraz: such errors usually indicate hardware failures (from my limited experience) |
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| 01:10.07 | madman215 | enouf, any advice? |
| 01:10.07 | enouf | madman215: as root lsusb -v tell ya anything .. what's changed since you rebooted |
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| 01:10.17 | MoDaX | shwag: it depends what you want to do |
| 01:10.21 | abrotman | shwag: shouldn't you be asking #ubuntu ? |
| 01:10.25 | Teejay__ | Excuse once the final version of etch comes out, will be able to upgrade to it from sarge? |
| 01:10.31 | madman215 | that thing in mount |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | Teejay__: that's the idea |
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| 01:10.51 | madman215 | enouf, ya, it tells me alot |
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| 01:10.54 | Teejay__ | ok |
| 01:11.03 | enouf | madman215: be specific please .. and what's the make model of the camera? |
| 01:11.06 | shwag | abrotman: forgot where I was. |
| 01:11.09 | infernix | optraz: either a) your drive is nearing its end (dying) or b) your ram is broken and corrupting data |
| 01:11.18 | enouf | madman215: that thing in mount ?? |
| 01:11.35 | infernix | optraz: or in rare cases c) your disk interface (IDE/SATA/SCSI) is broken/malfunctioning |
| 01:11.35 | madman215 | ok so i reboot with the camara on, now in mount there is a usbfs on /proc/bus/usb |
| 01:11.40 | MoDaX | shwag: auto affects if the interface is brought up with if -a (system startup) and brought down with ifdown -a |
| 01:11.59 | optraz | infernix, that leave me 3 possibilities. how do i eliminate all these 3 possibility ? |
| 01:12.00 | madman215 | enouf, hp photosmart m305 |
| 01:12.04 | shwag | MoDaX: Saw that. "The first line specifies that the eth0 device should come up automatically when you boot." |
| 01:12.13 | streuner | madman215: do you see something for your camera with 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'? |
| 01:12.24 | enouf | madman215: ok .. hp camera .. did you upgrade your jkernel yet? |
| 01:12.36 | MoDaX | shwag: yes |
| 01:12.37 | madman215 | no |
| 01:13.10 | infernix | optraz: a) with smartmontools (apt-get install, smartctl -t long -d ata /dev/sdX for SATA, see man smartctl). b) with memtest (easiest), c) is just hard to diagnose, depends on type of mobo and IDE/SATA card |
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| 01:13.36 | madman215 | streuner, no attached devices |
| 01:13.40 | enouf | madman215: modprobe scsi_mod |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | odla: find the image ? |
| 01:14.09 | madman215 | enouf, done |
| 01:14.21 | enouf | madman215: modprobe usb-storage |
| 01:14.30 | enouf | madman215: modprobe usbcore |
| 01:14.41 | optraz | infernix, thanks for the advices |
| 01:14.47 | enouf | madman215: modprobe sr_mod |
| 01:14.49 | odla | abrotman: no i haven't |
| 01:14.53 | infernix | optraz: yw:) |
| 01:15.02 | odla | abrotman: no one is saying anything in #gnome-debian |
| 01:15.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:15.17 | abrotman | give me a minute |
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| 01:15.29 | madman215 | enouf, done |
| 01:15.33 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 01:15.36 | MoDaX | !find desktop-base |
| 01:15.43 | karsten | what creates / mounts /dev/pts? |
| 01:15.48 | odla | modax i have desktop-base installed |
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| 01:15.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'desktop-base' (2): (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/desktop-base) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/gconf/defaults/15_desktop-base) in x11/desktop-base. |
| 01:16.29 | infernix | karsten: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs:# Mount /dev/pts. Create master ptmx node if needed. so that, or udev |
| 01:16.38 | MoDaX | odla: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=desktop-base&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 01:16.42 | enouf | madman215: ermm .. got any new messages in dmesg | tail after unplugging and replugging the camera? |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | odla: i can't find it iehter .. but i've seen it before |
| 01:16.53 | MoDaX | odla: it's in desktop-base |
| 01:17.00 | shwag | what two lines do I need to edit in menu.lst for update-grub to work? |
| 01:17.08 | enouf | madman215: id -a |
| 01:17.23 | odla | MoDaX: i have desktop-base installed |
| 01:17.29 | infernix | shwag: AUTOCONFIG lines, see if theres info on in in /usr/share/doc/grub |
| 01:17.37 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.58 | MoDaX | odla: choose a wallpaper then |
| 01:18.18 | odla | MoDaX: you are numb |
| 01:18.37 | karsten | infernix: Thanks. |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | numb? |
| 01:18.46 | MoDaX | odla: ech? |
| 01:19.22 | madman215 | connect-debounce failed port 2 disabled |
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| 01:19.48 | orkid__ | to install kde in etch do i just do apt-get install kde ?! |
| 01:19.55 | infernix | !kde |
| 01:19.55 | dpkg | from memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 01:19.57 | karsten | !install kde |
| 01:19.58 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 01:20.12 | orkid__ | thanks :) |
| 01:20.26 | madman215 | ? |
| 01:20.34 | MoDaX | odla: I don't get what you want |
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| 01:20.42 | odla | MoDaX: a specific wallpaper |
| 01:20.53 | odla | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061127#news |
| 01:22.04 | streuner | madman215: in which logs did you get that from? |
| 01:22.10 | MoDaX | odla: so desktop-base does not have it? |
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| 01:22.21 | odla | MoDaX: no...at least version in sid doesn't |
| 01:22.22 | streuner | madman215: show us the whole entry in paster bot |
| 01:22.23 | shwag | as far as the grub root (hd0,0) command goes ...how do I tell if my HD is the first one. /dev/sda3 is my root partition. |
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| 01:22.39 | madman215 | streuner, how do i do that? |
| 01:22.44 | streuner | !paste |
| 01:22.44 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:23.14 | infernix | shwag: its based on the bios. usually sda3 is (hd0,2) |
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| 01:24.01 | Lakez | what is the channel for etch again? |
| 01:24.04 | MoDaX | odla: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopArtwork/EtchRC1 |
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| 01:24.07 | enouf | madman215: you just did it earlier with your sources.list .. remember? |
| 01:24.30 | madman215 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4618. |
| 01:24.33 | Howdy125 | brb |
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| 01:25.00 | enouf | madman215: if you want to look around see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/ and use find feature to locate relevant USB info |
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| 01:25.28 | lostboyz | hi what is a really great html editor? i am trying to find one to build simple pages with. |
| 01:25.56 | dondelelcaro | lostboyz: you're best off using a text editor |
| 01:25.58 | Lakez | if smartctl has "READ DMA EXT" .. and the debian box will go down once in a while.. I've badblock scanned all drives and all pass.. I'm unsure as to what is happening... |
| 01:26.01 | infernix | lostboyz: apt-cache search html | grep -i editor |
| 01:26.03 | enouf | what the heck is the equivalent of "update-pciids" but for usb crap ? |
| 01:26.03 | odla | MoDaX: thakns |
| 01:26.40 | MoDaX | odla: and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopArtwork/WallpapersEtch |
| 01:26.40 | infernix | update-usbids |
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| 01:27.12 | lostboyz | what is a good wysiwyg html editor? |
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| 01:27.36 | d4m3ntz | no its still that old version |
| 01:27.39 | infernix | lostboyz: check freshmeat.net or sourceforge, section html editors |
| 01:27.39 | MoDaX | odla: but that one in distrowatch is still different. anyway, no clue |
| 01:27.41 | d4m3ntz | woops wrong chat |
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| 01:30.28 | infernix | Lakez: what is smartctl's longtest result? |
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| 01:30.53 | enouf | infernix: no shit? .. hrm |
| 01:31.07 | rBlong2us | hi room |
| 01:31.10 | enouf | madman215: update-usbids as root |
| 01:31.28 | mconway | anyone know a command to force my dns server to send out a dns update? |
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| 01:31.42 | cureless | mconway: send it where? |
| 01:31.47 | madman215 | enouf ok |
| 01:31.52 | mconway | to neghboring dns server |
| 01:32.13 | infernix | mconway: if your zonefile has the NS servers incorporated it should send them out by itself. |
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| 01:32.41 | infernix | mconway: that's not really possible unless that DNS server accepts update requests, which isnt by default. |
| 01:32.42 | madman215 | enouf, now what? |
| 01:32.55 | mconway | it does, but my server was down and i want to speed up the propogation process :) |
| 01:33.01 | enouf | madman215: I'm looking .. |
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| 01:34.14 | infernix | mconway: there's a named.conf parameter to send out updates, check its manpage, i don't recall the exact syntax. been a while |
| 01:34.25 | mconway | thanks inferix |
| 01:34.29 | cureless | mconway: I don't fully know what setup you have, but it might help if you increase the sequence number |
| 01:34.46 | mconway | thanks cureless |
| 01:35.02 | infernix | thats a requisite. you could put it on 0 for a while as well. |
| 01:35.43 | infernix | mconway: iirc it was also-notify |
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| 01:36.11 | olskolirc | hi hi |
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| 01:36.37 | mconway | wewt, you guys rick! thanks, i usually never get answers this fast :) |
| 01:36.47 | CHodapp | wewt? |
| 01:36.48 | CHodapp | WEWT? |
| 01:37.14 | mconway | haha |
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| 01:37.58 | cureless | who's rick? and what did he answer? |
| 01:38.10 | hologram | howdy |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | cureless: RangerRick |
| 01:38.51 | cureless | abrotman: ?? |
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| 01:39.13 | enouf | madman215: try updatedb as root |
| 01:39.18 | TraceGreen | Hello, although i add boot parameter: quiet to grub, when my kernel boot, i can still see: "PCI: Cannot allocate resource***", how can i disable all these message? |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | !phillysmite olskolirc |
| 01:39.52 | infernix | TraceGreen: with bootsplash you could |
| 01:40.11 | dvs | heh |
| 01:40.26 | TraceGreen | infernix, Do you mean : ** quiet bootsplash=silent as an example? |
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| 01:40.58 | infernix | TraceGreen: bootsplash is a bootup logo kernel patch. not even sure if its supported with stock kernels, i'm guessing it isnt |
| 01:41.22 | enouf | madman215: been searching through the new usbids list in /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids for your usbid on your dmesg output .. no luck .. bet there are plenty of hp things there .. some even photosmart |
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| 01:42.13 | TraceGreen | infernix, so, the message is from bootsplash , right? I use splash when boot |
| 01:43.10 | enouf | madman215: If you add those modules we modprobed to /etc/modules abd reboot .. and it still don't work, I'd update/upgrade the kernel I guess .. google is useless this time (for me).. not sure if your device needs a specific module or not |
| 01:43.39 | infernix | TraceGreen: bootsplash puts up a logo (basically a bitmap image) right at kernel loadtime, therefor all messages become hidden. check google, apt-cache search bootsplash for possible packages. |
| 01:43.39 | tuv | TraceGreen, that bootsplash thing was a joke, or at least an attempt at one |
| 01:43.50 | infernix | not really. |
| 01:43.55 | enouf | madman215: throeming the towel in on this one :-P |
| 01:44.01 | enouf | throwing even |
| 01:44.31 | madman215 | enouf, alright, thats for the effort though |
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| 01:44.54 | mconway | is it bad when i do nslookup on my domain form my server, querieng my isp servers, and it says connection timed out, no servers coul dbe reached? |
| 01:44.59 | enouf | madman215: just come back and let me know if the kernel upgrade works or not please |
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| 01:45.03 | mconway | yet i can ping any domain and use lyynx |
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| 01:46.12 | infernix | mconway: host www.yourdomain.com nameserver1.yourdomainsnameserver.com - this should work, if not, something's probably broken |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | try #elive |
| 01:46.53 | TraceGreen | infernix, thanks |
| 01:47.33 | mconway | wee that worked! |
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| 01:49.26 | infernix | enouf: he might just need that newer kernel for the usb-storage hardware support. maybe it's not supported in 2.4.27 |
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| 01:50.32 | mconway | nslookup is working now, just wasnt patient enough |
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| 01:50.55 | infernix | mconway: nslookup is kinda deprecated, host is a better tool imho |
| 01:50.58 | enouf | infernix: I sure hope so .. I'm down to reading stiff like this http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/usb/2.5/usb-dc2xx-2.5.8.patch :-O |
| 01:51.22 | mconway | do the pretty much do the same thing? |
| 01:51.35 | infernix | man host && rejoice :) |
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| 01:51.55 | mconway | haha |
| 01:51.55 | Vme | can ACPI shutoff a PCI card if it gets too hot? |
| 01:52.24 | madman215 | how do i upgrade the kernel again? |
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| 01:52.37 | infernix | Vme: i've never heard of such a thing. why's it getting too hot anyway? |
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| 01:52.52 | secher | Is there a CMS pakage that will work "out of the box"? |
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| 01:53.28 | infernix | secher: if you mean as in apt-get install, try apt-cache search cms. |
| 01:53.45 | abrotman | secher: vi! |
| 01:54.01 | dvs | madman215: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:54.02 | Vme | i just put a card in a smaller box today and it seems to be getting hot |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | was it an oven? |
| 01:54.18 | Vme | not as much air i'm guessing |
| 01:54.21 | Vme | lol |
| 01:54.27 | Vme | optiplex gx150 |
| 01:54.31 | Vme | really small cramped box |
| 01:54.33 | infernix | Vme: use better cooling. in normal hardware, I highly doubt it. perhaps in high end server stuff, but not with acpi i think |
| 01:54.44 | Vme | and it was a tuner card to begin with that gets warm |
| 01:54.58 | [Hugo] | hello all |
| 01:55.16 | Vme | is there a way to check the temp with debian? |
| 01:55.24 | infernix | Vme: you could set up a temp monitor over usb or serial and kill any running app that uses it + remove the module, but thats hard. |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | [Hugo]: try #elive |
| 01:55.35 | [Hugo] | abrotman, ?? |
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| 01:55.41 | [Hugo] | for welcome ? :) |
| 01:55.48 | infernix | Vme: apt-get install mbmon sensors (or lmsensors), but it probably cant read the cards temp |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | for help with elive |
| 01:55.58 | [Hugo] | ok |
| 01:55.58 | Vme | i'm not running X |
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| 01:56.03 | Vme | is that for the console? |
| 01:56.13 | infernix | abrotman: whats elive, anyway?:) |
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| 01:56.26 | [Hugo] | how do you know I'm on elive? |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | [Hugo]: i can smell it from here |
| 01:56.40 | infernix | hehe |
| 01:56.41 | [Hugo] | you dont like it? |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | infernix: it's a system based on debian that uses dr17 |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | [Hugo]: it's not debian |
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| 01:58.23 | infernix | abrotman: looks slick. is it packaged in sid? |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | infernix: enlightment 17 ? |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | erm .17 |
| 01:58.48 | cleit0n | hi, how i do to reinstall mysql in my debian, whem i remove /etc/mysql dir, i need make all again |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | mysql-common |
| 01:58.55 | lastnode | would installing the iceweasel.deb on etch cause problems? is iceweasel gonna make it in to etch before the freeze? |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | lastnode: it should |
| 01:59.06 | infernix | ah. lets see |
| 01:59.09 | cureless | lastnode: yes |
| 01:59.19 | lastnode | awesome |
| 01:59.23 | mconway | for procmail in maildir format, is teh syntax DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/Inbox or DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.Inbox? |
| 01:59.29 | lastnode | i should probably deboostrap sid on my other partitiona nyway |
| 01:59.32 | lastnode | *anyway |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | infernix: for some weird reason .. instead of helping to get it into debian .. they decided to branch off and make a liveCD |
| 01:59.55 | infernix | abrotman: who's they, maintainers or the E people? |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | whoever they are .. nfc |
| 02:00.15 | infernix | heh |
| 02:00.37 | shwag | does update-grub reinstall grub to the bootsector too ? |
| 02:00.45 | cureless | shouldn't |
| 02:01.06 | cureless | shwag: grub-install |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | it updates the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:01.21 | tuv | shwag, no. grub-install does |
| 02:01.42 | shwag | install device ? |
| 02:02.22 | cleit0n | anyone know how i reinstall one package debian? mysql |
| 02:02.34 | shwag | cureless: tuv: # grub-install /dev/sda The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 02:02.37 | dvs | cleit0n: apt-get --reinstall install mysql |
| 02:02.51 | cureless | shwag: what are you tring to do and why? |
| 02:03.07 | infernix | abrotman: http://idefix.eup.uva.es/elive/pool/elive/ - seems they do have pretty much only E .17 in their own repo |
| 02:03.13 | shwag | cureless: just want to install grub to the boot sector. |
| 02:03.21 | cleit0n | dvs: this install all directories? |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | infernix: it's NOT in debian .. .. you won't like me when i'm angry :) |
| 02:03.54 | cureless | shwag: what happened to the original install? |
| 02:03.58 | shwag | cureless: long story |
| 02:04.03 | dvs | cleit0n: whatever is in the mysql package |
| 02:04.10 | cureless | shwag: well, given that it might matter... |
| 02:04.17 | infernix | abrotman: i hear ya :) just sayin :) |
| 02:04.33 | cleit0n | dvs: tkx |
| 02:04.34 | shwag | cureless: too late...i just rebooted. lets hope grub was on the boot sector. |
| 02:04.42 | dvs | no prob |
| 02:07.34 | shwag | cureless: i dont think it worked |
| 02:08.04 | shwag | cureless: if the sector on the hd where grub resides changes, do I need to reinstall grub? the partition stayed the same. |
| 02:08.56 | cureless | shwag: yes. |
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| 02:10.36 | asg | fg ; kill %1 |
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| 02:15.04 | Azar | oh my god!!~!!! bwahahahahaha |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:15.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:15.49 | Azar | sorry, I am being mean but I just found this definition: Ubuntu is a Swahili word that means "To stupid to configure Debian" |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | Too ? |
| 02:17.01 | Azar | ah yes *too thanks abrotman |
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| 02:18.52 | User145 | help |
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| 02:19.48 | asg | User145: man(1) is far superior to help |
| 02:20.20 | Azar | User145: "ignoring help is FUN" |
| 02:20.27 | User145 | what ? |
| 02:20.36 | User145 | can you help me pleae ? |
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| 02:20.47 | abrotman | !ask |
| 02:20.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:20.58 | asg | User145: you'll have to tell us what the problem is first. |
| 02:20.59 | Azar | User145: where are you, so I can get you out of there |
| 02:21.13 | User145 | i used to go to TMD |
| 02:21.19 | User145 | and now i cant connect to it :( |
| 02:21.27 | Vme | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 02:21.28 | Vme | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 02:21.28 | Vme | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 02:21.40 | Vme | when i'm doing an apt-get install |
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| 02:21.48 | asg | Vme: /msg dpkg locales |
| 02:22.05 | User145 | Krenim.irc.star-fleet.net |
| 02:22.15 | User145 | Unable to connect to server (Connection refused) |
| 02:22.18 | User145 | thats what it says |
| 02:22.21 | User145 | :( |
| 02:22.24 | asg | User145: can you ping it? |
| 02:22.26 | LinuxNIT | is there something i have to do after running xset m 5 2 to get the settings to take effect? or something that i need in the xorg.conf? |
| 02:22.37 | Azar | maybe you got k-lined |
| 02:22.47 | User145 | whats k link ? |
| 02:22.55 | User145 | killed? |
| 02:22.59 | Azar | User145: banned from accessing the server |
| 02:23.08 | Azar | "refused" |
| 02:23.25 | User145 | can you go there and tell them to accept me please :( |
| 02:23.31 | asg | haha |
| 02:23.31 | User145 | please |
| 02:23.39 | User145 | please please please |
| 02:23.41 | Vme | MediaServer1:~# dpkg locales |
| 02:23.41 | Vme | dpkg: need an action option |
| 02:23.43 | Azar | :) logging in progress please |
| 02:23.55 | asg | User145: and this has what to do with Debian? |
| 02:24.09 | Azar | User145: starting now you are being recorded |
| 02:24.10 | User145 | whats debian ? |
| 02:24.22 | dvs | !troll User145 |
| 02:24.39 | User145 | !troll |
| 02:24.40 | dpkg | i guess troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 02:24.58 | User145 | i'm not a troll |
| 02:25.08 | asg | !ops User145 took a wrong turn at Albuquerque |
| 02:25.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: User145 took a wrong turn at Albuquerque |
| 02:25.18 | Azar | User145: try your requests elsewhere, here is Debian only topic |
| 02:26.09 | asg | !ops nevermind, it found the carrot festival therein |
| 02:26.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: nevermind, it found the carrot festival therein |
| 02:26.29 | Azar | hehe he got afraid of being recorded |
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| 02:35.09 | olskolirc | what do you guys recommend for an avi player |
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| 02:35.29 | abrotman | depends on the format |
| 02:36.03 | infernix | vlc |
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| 02:36.12 | olskolirc | vlc is good? |
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| 02:36.18 | Guerin | vlc is good. |
| 02:36.21 | infernix | its great. |
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| 02:36.28 | Guerin | it's not great. It's good. |
| 02:36.33 | olskolirc | can i get mplayer for stable? |
| 02:36.45 | olskolirc | what's great |
| 02:36.59 | Guerin | mplayer is great |
| 02:37.04 | Guerin | but vlc is good enough |
| 02:37.15 | infernix | err. personal preference i guess:) |
| 02:37.16 | olskolirc | is there a repository for stable? |
| 02:37.25 | tuv | olskolirc, mplayer mplayer mplayer |
| 02:37.30 | infernix | www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:37.41 | olskolirc | thanks infernix |
| 02:38.20 | Guerin | i like the fact that mplayer doesn't need x when playing music |
| 02:38.41 | [Hugo] | anyone here needs typing "ç"? |
| 02:38.42 | Guerin | and that its keybindings don't require you to play keyboard-twister |
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| 02:38.57 | livingtm | if i use smbfs to mount a samba share, it becomes mounted with root privileges and my users have no access to it.. how can i give them access? |
| 02:39.09 | infernix | and my logitech g15 has many nice extra keys :) |
| 02:39.12 | zinx | Guerin: that depends on what keyboard layout you have |
| 02:39.24 | zinx | Guerin: its layout makes *absolutely no sense at all* on dvorak, for example |
| 02:39.31 | Guerin | zinx: hah |
| 02:39.34 | Guerin | f'sure |
| 02:39.35 | [Hugo] | thats what I wanna discuss |
| 02:39.58 | [Hugo] | I need typing ç on an us keyboard layout |
| 02:40.00 | infernix | livingtm: consider using cifs if you're on 2.6. if not, man mount, search the smbfs mount options and check the syntax for userid/groupid and umask/umode |
| 02:40.03 | [Hugo] | and cant make it work |
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| 02:40.26 | zinx | [Hugo]: US keyboards don't have that |
| 02:40.38 | livingtm | infernix, am i better off with nfs? they are both linux boxes |
| 02:40.40 | [Hugo] | but there is a way for it... |
| 02:40.48 | [Hugo] | 'c=ç |
| 02:40.53 | infernix | livingtm: depends, but probably. |
| 02:40.57 | [Hugo] | I had it working on FC |
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| 02:41.12 | [Hugo] | but cant make it work in debian (Elive, more precisely)... |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | [Hugo]: ask #elive |
| 02:42.44 | quintin | abrotman: I would be honored if you would be my first osCommerce customer. <3 |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | do i get a refund? |
| 02:43.06 | quintin | hm. |
| 02:43.10 | quintin | You get a steep discount? :) |
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| 02:43.14 | abrotman | wtf is osCommerce? |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | and what are you selling? |
| 02:43.35 | infernix | webstore cms |
| 02:43.48 | quintin | Office supplies.. some household items. Right now the store just has two items.. vip gold paperclips and 1 lb bag of rubber bands |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | ammo huh? |
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| 02:44.12 | quintin | a veritable bunker of ammunition for your rubber band gun. |
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| 02:44.32 | abrotman | again ... |
| 02:44.34 | Azar | hey thats ideal for a live nethack game |
| 02:44.52 | quintin | 50% off for #debian members until midnight :) |
| 02:45.11 | quintin | also have led flashlights, LAZER pointers.. other cool stuffs |
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| 02:45.16 | Vme | anyone here use ntfs-3g? |
| 02:45.17 | sylvisj | What should I use in kernel config for core duo cpus? |
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| 02:45.32 | abrotman | sylvisj: why are you compiling your own kernel ? |
| 02:45.41 | Vme | Please boot into Windows TWICE, or use the 'force' mount option?? |
| 02:45.58 | Azar | who is Please? |
| 02:46.01 | yel | anyone of you guys have a clue for me how to unpacke a rar file splited into 10 files ? under debian etch ? |
| 02:46.23 | quintin | yel: ark or fileroller. you might need non-free unrar |
| 02:46.24 | centrx | unrar ? |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | unrar is probably a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 02:46.28 | olskolirc | what is it Vme? |
| 02:46.40 | Vme | i can mount my drive with the force option |
| 02:46.45 | Vme | but i don't want to use that |
| 02:46.51 | yel | quintin, thanks |
| 02:47.00 | yel | fileroller sounds to be right |
| 02:47.05 | Vme | plus that drive doesn't have any windows on it... |
| 02:47.12 | quintin | abrotman: how about it.. :D |
| 02:47.13 | olskolirc | why not just pmount |
| 02:47.14 | Vme | it is just a removable drive |
| 02:47.25 | abrotman | quintin: eh .. i have no need for such things! |
| 02:47.50 | quintin | abrotman: dood. You have serious need of an LED flashlight. |
| 02:47.59 | infernix | Vme: shouldnt be needed if you mount readonly. but when it complains it usually means windows didnt properly shut down when it was attached and it should be checked for errors from within windoze |
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| 02:48.08 | ArrenLex | I want to backup the packages that are being upgraded before upgrading, so I can easily downgrade to them if needed. Is there a utility which will let me do this? |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | quintin: i have serious need of lots of things .. not a flashlight .. i have great night vision |
| 02:48.30 | Vme | fhrm |
| 02:48.31 | Vme | hrm |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:48.50 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 02:49.03 | Vme | so if i plug it back in with my usb drive and reboot twice it will take care of the problem? |
| 02:49.16 | quintin | abrotman: LAZER pointer?! pens, pencils.. 18k gold money clip.. hm. 18k gold keyfob.. hm.m. staplers?! that's about all I can think of until I setup store proper :p |
| 02:49.30 | infernix | ArrenLex: hm, not that i know of. i usually copy the current versions (.deb files) somewhere (usually from /var/cache/apt/archives, otherwise from packages.debian.org) and dpkg -i an entire dir if its really not working out |
| 02:49.36 | Azar | quintin: don't make abrotman say "wtf" |
| 02:49.36 | zinx | quintin: you might get more hits for 'laser' |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | quintin: hehe |
| 02:49.49 | ArrenLex | infernix: I usually clean out my apt archive regularly. |
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| 02:50.12 | abrotman | they all live at snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:50.16 | quintin | zinx: you can't take over the world with a laser though. with a LAZER though, certain even geniuses have come quite close. |
| 02:50.35 | quintin | s/even/evil |
| 02:50.39 | infernix | ArrenLex: well, there's no automatic downgrading with apt so i guess you should manually grab the .debs from somewhere |
| 02:50.43 | yel | quintin, where do i get the fileroller ? |
| 02:50.46 | quintin | Imma play some tremulous and go to bed. thanks again for help abrotman |
| 02:50.50 | quintin | yel: apt |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | quintin: enjoy |
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| 02:51.15 | yel | i tried apt-cache search fileroller and i got nothing back |
| 02:51.23 | infernix | file-roller |
| 02:51.28 | kingsley_ | Does the "dpkg" command have an option which reveals details about uninstalled package files, such as their dependencies, versions and descriptions? |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | or file roller |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | kingsley_: do you have the actual packag e? |
| 02:51.45 | yel | ah now i got it |
| 02:51.55 | yel | i tried with a "-" the first time |
| 02:52.37 | kingsley_ | abrotman, Yes, I have a file whose name ends in ".deb". |
| 02:52.41 | Azar | kingsley_: the way I remember the debian packages list gives some details on each package available |
| 02:52.45 | abrotman | kingsley_: man dpkg .. -I |
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| 02:53.31 | Azar | abrotman, doesn't aptitude have such revealing feature? |
| 02:53.35 | kingsley_ | abrotman, Thanks. |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | Azar: i'm sure it does in some way |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | Azar: aptitude show <blah> |
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| 02:54.40 | Azar | yay!! cool thanks abrotman |
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| 02:55.00 | d4m3ntz_ | !unrar-free |
| 02:55.00 | dpkg | somebody said unrar-free was an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 02:55.04 | lucia | can i have capture screen for direct-fb? |
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| 02:56.00 | livingtm | is there any option i can put in fstab to have it mount a network drive on attempted access? I have a laptop i want to mount a server share on when im in the right location |
| 02:57.11 | Azar | interesting description on alsa-base there.. |
| 02:58.50 | mconway | wow, windows vista has no telnet :( |
| 02:58.59 | Azar | bwahahaha |
| 02:59.17 | ArrenLex | mconway: Windows Vista may not have telnet, but you, sir, have no soul. |
| 02:59.40 | mconway | :o |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | so install telnet |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | probably an optional package |
| 03:00.39 | mconway | im gonna, i just thought it aws odd it wasnt standard |
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| 03:01.10 | abrotman | mconway: you mean you thought it'd be in there with the other 3GB of stuff ? |
| 03:01.29 | mconway | more or les.. since it was with every other windows i can remember :) |
| 03:01.58 | Azar | hmmm I was fast, I bought one of the last PCs that is non-dual core... |
| 03:02.42 | [Hugo] | Azar, your nick means literally "Bad Luck" in portuguese |
| 03:02.50 | mike_kayaker | lol |
| 03:03.19 | Azar | Hugo, really someone told me that some other language uses this word for "pretty boy" |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | !elive |
| 03:03.35 | dpkg | methinks elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :), or supported in #elive |
| 03:03.38 | ArrenLex | Azar: in Russian your name almost means "gambling". |
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| 03:03.45 | ArrenLex | You're missing a t at the end. |
| 03:04.04 | Emerica | hello, I want to install debian on my laptop, but will I be able to configure it so that it will work with wireless? |
| 03:04.05 | Azar | Hugo the real meaning reads backwards amigo |
| 03:04.06 | mike_kayaker | I am in elive now |
| 03:04.14 | [Hugo] | ArrenLex, Here, gambling can be called "Jogos de Azar" |
| 03:04.15 | mike_kayaker | e17 |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | Emerica: most likely |
| 03:04.27 | Emerica | what will I have to install/run? |
| 03:04.30 | [Hugo] | meaning "games of bad luck" |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | depends on the card you have |
| 03:04.54 | Emerica | Intel Wireless B |
| 03:04.59 | Emerica | MiniPCI |
| 03:05.04 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 03:05.04 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware to /lib/firmware. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2100 on freenode. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:06.50 | debiuser | my debian box got XFree86 |
| 03:06.52 | debiuser | and i want xorg |
| 03:06.58 | debiuser | can i change from xfree to xorg ? |
| 03:07.05 | Emerica | what is xorg? |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | !tell debiuser about xorg sarge |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | !tell debiuser about bpo |
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| 03:08.27 | ArrenLex | YAY ICEWEASEL IS HERE FINALLY :D:D:D:D |
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| 03:09.09 | magyar | hi is there a way to bypass sasl_auth clients with amavis? |
| 03:09.38 | debiuser | !tell debiuser Xgl |
| 03:09.46 | debiuser | !tell debiuser xgl |
| 03:09.51 | debiuser | !tell debiuser aixgl |
| 03:09.56 | debiuser | !tell debiuser beryl |
| 03:10.02 | gravity | debiuser: /msg dpkg xgl |
| 03:10.04 | gravity | And the other |
| 03:10.05 | gravity | Thanks |
| 03:10.38 | magyar | here comes my xorg questions :) |
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| 03:11.42 | abrotman | debiuser: xgl isn't in debian |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | and it's aiglx |
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| 03:22.17 | jugglinx | there s any special package for mount DVDs? |
| 03:22.47 | grendelson | I thought I had this nipped in the bud, but I'm still getting serious pycentral errors. I'm running testing just tried to run and upgrade and dist-upgrade failed to install OO.org due to pycentral preinst errors... |
| 03:22.57 | grendelson | Is there a FAQ or how to to manually fix this? |
| 03:23.31 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:23.42 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:23.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:24.28 | olskolirc | how can i whois a .edu? |
| 03:24.30 | grendelson | abrotman - that was the first place I went but when I searched for pycentral I got no results :-( |
| 03:24.37 | olskolirc | i can only whois org. com and net |
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| 03:24.53 | abrotman | grendelson: no bugs at all ? |
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| 03:25.19 | grendelson | I typed the URL, b.d.o/pycentral and it came back with a funky - nothing foudn page... |
| 03:25.28 | grendelson | maybe a more general search.... |
| 03:25.37 | abrotman | is that the package name ? |
| 03:27.09 | grendelson | I'm not enitrely sure - some folks helped me here quite some time ago - it onvolved manually extrating everythign about a package. I believe pycentral is package mgt in python and it broke when the versions changed, but that's a guess... |
| 03:27.46 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4619 <-- there is the output... |
| 03:28.41 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/python-central |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | or the bug is in python-uno |
| 03:29.50 | grendelson | ah - yes it is griping about python-uno! |
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| 03:33.40 | Ick | i get an error when running apt-get update that tells me there are no public keys for the following key IDs |
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| 03:35.58 | abrotman | Ick: /topic |
| 03:36.15 | Ick | ah |
| 03:36.33 | Ick | so many names when I join, i can't see the topic |
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| 03:36.58 | mconway | how do i fix: fatal: SASL per-process initilization failed |
| 03:37.34 | mconway | warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 2587 exit status 1 |
| 03:38.08 | olskolirc | i downloaded bash3 and typed bash3 at the promt but it still says im sing bash 2.05b how do i fix this |
| 03:38.55 | stoned | olskolirc, download source, modify version info, recompile... Rinse and Repeat |
| 03:39.05 | olskolirc | lol |
| 03:39.07 | olskolirc | ok |
| 03:39.16 | stoned | i'm kidding dude |
| 03:39.17 | stoned | lol |
| 03:39.30 | olskolirc | don't download the source? |
| 03:39.38 | stoned | no, lol |
| 03:39.42 | olskolirc | ok |
| 03:40.04 | stoned | do bash3 --version |
| 03:40.04 | olskolirc | im off to bed im exhuasted |
| 03:40.10 | olskolirc | i did that stoned |
| 03:40.28 | olskolirc | says im using bash 2.05b |
| 03:41.22 | Ick | i get a different error with some items |
| 03:41.34 | Ick | Konnte ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lynx/lynx_2.8.5-2sarge2.2_i386.deb nicht holen Kann Datei nicht holen, Server antwortete „Failed to open file. “ [IP: 204.152.191.7 21] |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | apt-get update |
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| 03:41.51 | nanotube | does enyone know something about winbind and samba.. I can not find solution to get getent passwd return domain users.. please help..:-) |
| 03:41.51 | Ick | abrotman: i did |
| 03:42.05 | abrotman | do you have a security line ? |
| 03:42.24 | Guerin | Ick: change mirrors |
| 03:42.39 | Dewi | would anyone be willing to venture a recommendation of some reliable and secure and responsibly-written mailing list software? Preferably something with a nice web frontend... ? |
| 03:42.47 | Ick | it's the debian one |
| 03:42.52 | Ick | and it works for just about everything |
| 03:42.58 | Guerin | Ick: change to another one |
| 03:43.07 | Dewi | I'm so tired of looking at mailing list software that doesn't taint check, or doesn't bother to validate addresses, etc |
| 03:43.10 | Guerin | Ick: probably your ISP is caching or somthing stupid like that |
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| 03:43.41 | Ick | Guerin: is there a program? i don't like messing about with the sources.list file because that's more error-prone |
| 03:43.59 | Dewi | And I'm just talking about broadcast mailing here; I'm not talking about discussion groups |
| 03:44.01 | Guerin | Ick: apt-setup |
| 03:44.47 | Ick | apt-config? |
| 03:44.53 | Ick | apt-setup doesn't exist |
| 03:47.19 | Guerin | Ick: install it. But I think it got excised from sid. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 03:47.34 | abrotman | no more apt-setup |
| 03:48.59 | Ick | i think i'm in etch |
| 03:49.03 | Ick | i could be wrong though |
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| 03:50.03 | abrotman | no more apt-setup in etch either |
| 03:50.07 | Ick | i'm getting apt-spy |
| 03:50.39 | abrotman | okay .. you do that! |
| 03:51.07 | odla | dpkg |
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| 03:55.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:55.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:57.40 | Ick | ah, apt-spy is beautiful |
| 03:59.43 | abrotman | Ick: have you tried 'apt-get moo' ? |
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| 04:02.37 | jugglinx | can somebody help me with this error? http://pastebin.ca/260241 |
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| 04:03.16 | sigp239 | is the nvidia driver still in transition in etch/ |
| 04:03.20 | Dewi | abrotman: Cows only weigh *twice* as much as me? This harms my self-esteem :( |
| 04:03.20 | abrotman | buy a new CD drive |
| 04:03.32 | abrotman | Dewi: maybe they are cow models ? |
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| 04:03.41 | Dewi | abrotman: hopefully |
| 04:03.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:03.51 | Ick | abrotman: yes |
| 04:03.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:04.11 | jugglinx | abrotman, it was working 2 days a go, before i should reinstall the system :-/ |
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| 04:04.25 | abrotman | jugglinx: that's a hardware issue |
| 04:05.01 | jugglinx | but it works with CDs :-S |
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| 04:06.12 | Forbith | anybody knows how do i disable antialiasing on etch? |
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| 04:06.57 | sigp239 | Forbith: I think there's an X package for anti-aliasing....not sure though. |
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| 04:07.47 | Forbith | sigp239, in sarge you could edit a file... ~/.font.conf i think |
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| 04:08.02 | sigp239 | don't know |
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| 04:08.11 | sigp239 | I just want to know if the nvidia driver still in transition in etch/ |
| 04:08.19 | Forbith | with something that i believe to be xml.. but in etch it dont work |
| 04:08.36 | Forbith | sigp239, i dont know |
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| 04:11.17 | falkon | anyone know if nvidia drivers ever got added back into etch? |
| 04:11.55 | tuv | even experimental's nvidia stuff is behind |
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| 04:12.09 | Dewi | would anyone be willing to venture a recommendation of some reliable and secure and responsibly-written mailing list software? Preferably something with a nice web frontend... ? I don't need discussions; I just want something secure that will make it at least a little bit hard for my users (or hackers) to get me RBLed |
| 04:12.36 | falkon | tuv: should I switch distros? I need the tv-out svideo to work |
| 04:12.56 | tuv | falkon, if you're so deperate, use nvidia.com' binary |
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| 04:13.12 | falkon | tuv: well it works, seeing as I'm ON it right now, but I haven't gotten it working yet with X |
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| 04:13.52 | tuv | falkon, experimental version: 9625. nvidia.com version 9629 |
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| 04:21.22 | JaMaLz | how to update my apt key |
| 04:21.37 | falkon | an apt-get update keeps stalling on bzip2. Anyone else have this issue? |
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| 04:23.21 | Dewi | JaMaLz: see topic? |
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| 04:24.34 | freeone3000 | After I run the nvidia one-liner, is it safe to remove all mesa immediatly? |
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| 04:25.41 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 04:25.45 | Dewi | morning |
| 04:28.38 | JaMaLz | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 04:28.38 | JaMaLz | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 04:28.38 | JaMaLz | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 04:28.42 | JaMaLz | do i have to ignore this ? |
| 04:30.10 | Dewi | no, update your key |
| 04:30.16 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:30.19 | Dewi | like it says in topic |
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| 04:30.42 | staniel | hello |
| 04:31.01 | staniel | im trying to get gnome running on my system, and I cant seem to run it as a user |
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| 04:31.50 | staniel | I try it from xinit with an .xinitrc file to start gnomesessions and I get "Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected" |
| 04:31.59 | staniel | err gnome-session |
| 04:32.01 | gandalf3 | I'm using etch, with lvm2.....ran lvreduce on /var, and lvextend on /usr, and it looks like I hosed /var -- didn't unmount before reducing it. Certain directories (like /var/run) can't be found now -- I get Permission Denied when I try to cd into them, and Input/Output Error when I try to ls on them |
| 04:32.46 | gandalf3 | I thought that maybe I could fix it by shrinking the filesystem on /var (which I also didn't do before lvreducing it), but I get errors on that. |
| 04:32.55 | gandalf3 | how can I regain my /var? |
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| 04:36.40 | Dewi | JaMaLz: aah |
| 04:36.45 | Dewi | JaMaLz: perhaps there is more to this |
| 04:37.02 | Dewi | JaMaLz: it seems there has been a key update, but the dpkg factoids aren't too informative |
| 04:37.08 | CrazyTB | how can I avoid one specific kernel module to being loaded? |
| 04:37.10 | Dewi | JaMaLz: see here - http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/11 |
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| 04:38.56 | antum1 | how do i tell what version of debian is running? |
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| 04:40.29 | antum1 | does anyone know how to tell what version of debian is running |
| 04:40.36 | cb | take a look in /etc/debian_version |
| 04:41.04 | antum1 | oh, it says 4.0, thanks |
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| 04:41.49 | antum1 | i keep reading tutorials for version 3.1, how do i know if they will work with v4.0? |
| 04:41.59 | cb | they will work |
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| 04:42.35 | antum1 | cool! |
| 04:44.00 | JaMaLz | Dewi : i did dist-upgrade i guess i have to download the list |
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| 04:46.46 | falkon | does anyone know about legacy nvidia drivers? |
| 04:47.10 | zinx | like nvidia-glx-legacy? |
| 04:47.14 | falkon | I got the lastest packaged nvidia drivers from sid, but when ... |
| 04:47.15 | falkon | oh |
| 04:47.20 | falkon | let me see about that then |
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| 04:47.54 | a1abubba | I use those drivers in a couple of boxes with older video cards |
| 04:48.11 | falkon | I have a quadro 2 in this box |
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| 04:48.32 | falkon | I guess that's considered legacy now |
| 04:48.47 | a1abubba | think the to I'm thing of are gforce 4 |
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| 04:49.34 | falkon | oh... looks like it's installing a new kernel |
| 04:50.04 | falkon | can anyone tell me the command to reconfigure all packages after I install this new kernel image? |
| 04:50.13 | falkon | is it just dpkg-reconfigure all? |
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| 04:50.47 | mfrisch | falkon: why ? |
| 04:51.04 | falkon | mfrisch: chances are when I boot into the new kernel, nothing will work |
| 04:51.29 | falkon | mfrisch: is this true, or have I been using fedora at work too long? |
| 04:51.48 | mfrisch | falkon: did it work before...cause I bet it will work with a new kernel |
| 04:52.02 | falkon | let |
| 04:52.02 | falkon | let's see |
| 04:52.02 | falkon | rebooting |
| 04:52.17 | CrazyTB | I guess one module that is being auto-loaded is messing with some things it shouldn't. How can I avoid it? |
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| 04:52.42 | philip | # APPEARS AS PHILIP |
| 04:53.02 | watercooler | how hard is deb compaired to ubuntu |
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| 04:53.33 | mfrisch | watercooler: it isn't |
| 04:53.44 | watercooler | ok.. compared to slackware? |
| 04:54.00 | CHodapp | Debian's about the difficulty of Slackware. |
| 04:54.19 | mfrisch | watercooler: ubuntu is a spin off of debian |
| 04:54.27 | watercooler | yes i know |
| 04:54.28 | CHodapp | Ubuntu's meant to be quite a bit easier. |
| 04:54.33 | watercooler | but i mean installing wise |
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| 04:54.59 | watercooler | i can just get the iso, burn and install from there right? |
| 04:54.59 | _shadow_ | what package should i get to run .jar files? |
| 04:55.30 | kingsley_ | If one is using the linux-image-2.6-k7 package for an AMD kernel, which architecture of the nvidia-glx package should be used, if any: i386 or amd64? |
| 04:55.34 | watercooler | and ether way the dvd bit torrent is taking forever |
| 04:56.05 | mfrisch | k7 is i386 k8 is amd64 |
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| 04:56.46 | kingsley_ | mfrisch, Thank you. |
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| 04:57.29 | mfrisch | watercooler: you probally just want to do a netinstall...unless the machine is not connected to the Internet |
| 04:57.47 | watercooler | ok |
| 04:58.35 | madman215 | what do i apt-get to install java? |
| 04:58.35 | mfrisch | watercooler: grab the netinstall iso for your arct |
| 04:58.35 | watercooler | k |
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| 04:59.04 | watercooler | i'll stick with i386 ... trying to get _everything_ working under 64 is a pita |
| 04:59.21 | mfrisch | madman215: you can make your own...but I think there is jre in non-free now. |
| 04:59.42 | lucia | can i have capture screen for direct-fb? |
| 04:59.44 | madman215 | non free? how would i make my own? |
| 04:59.56 | mfrisch | watercooler: amd-64 port has come along way |
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| 05:00.40 | watercooler | heh trying to get things like beryl/xgl on ubuntu never worked |
| 05:01.10 | watercooler | but i got a dual core and im happy with that alone |
| 05:01.31 | mfrisch | madman215: I a moron I forgot what I did last time. goto blackdown there are deb there |
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| 05:03.12 | watercooler | oh.. and ubuntu is pissing me off |
| 05:03.16 | Edgardoweb | good nigth |
| 05:03.36 | watercooler | tried upgrading to edgy... |
| 05:03.38 | watercooler | pfft |
| 05:03.46 | watercooler | that blew up in my face |
| 05:04.22 | watercooler | and usingthe corect resolution ist working ether |
| 05:04.35 | jnguy[w] | whats wrong with edgy? |
| 05:04.38 | mfrisch | watercooler: ubuntu sucks and debian gets some getting use to. It is the most stable package distro that I know |
| 05:04.45 | watercooler | got my new monitor that uses 1680x1050 |
| 05:04.48 | jnguy[w] | ubuntu doesn't suck. |
| 05:04.51 | jnguy[w] | what video card? |
| 05:04.55 | watercooler | nvidea |
| 05:05.01 | jnguy[w] | did you install the drivers? |
| 05:05.04 | watercooler | yes |
| 05:05.09 | jnguy[w] | nv or nvidia? |
| 05:05.10 | zinx | did you ask #ubuntu? |
| 05:05.13 | watercooler | it _should_ work |
| 05:05.18 | watercooler | but it dosent |
| 05:05.19 | philip | watercooler, what model of nvidia card? |
| 05:05.32 | watercooler | geforce 7600 |
| 05:05.37 | jnguy[w] | er, side question. Anyone know of a small linux shoutcast player. xmms is crapping out left and right. |
| 05:05.39 | watercooler | pcie 512 |
| 05:05.41 | philip | you got a lot of money |
| 05:05.46 | _shadow_ | ubuntu IS debian |
| 05:05.51 | philip | pretty much |
| 05:05.52 | zinx | _shadow_: nope |
| 05:05.52 | jnguy[w] | yeah |
| 05:05.56 | philip | jnguy, bmp, mplayer |
| 05:05.59 | zinx | _shadow_: there are some very different packages |
| 05:06.04 | Edgardoweb | Debian Powered XD |
| 05:06.09 | mfrisch | jnguy[w]: mplayer |
| 05:06.24 | watercooler | i hear from alot of great news form regular debian |
| 05:06.47 | _shadow_ | just like mandrake IS redhat |
| 05:06.50 | watercooler | ubuntu dapper was fine but things arnt working |
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| 05:06.57 | Edgardoweb | .seen Nelsonfx |
| 05:06.57 | jnguy[w] | hm |
| 05:07.01 | jnguy[w] | I'll look into both. |
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| 05:07.04 | jnguy[w] | thanks for the suggestions. |
| 05:07.24 | jnguy[w] | !ubuntu |
| 05:07.25 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 05:07.33 | jnguy[w] | :) |
| 05:08.09 | watercooler | and google never relly got me anywhere on the resolution problem |
| 05:08.09 | Edgardoweb | !nelsonfx |
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| 05:08.11 | mfrisch | does hurd support amd64? |
| 05:08.16 | jnguy[w] | is your xorg correct? |
| 05:08.18 | philip | !amd64 |
| 05:08.18 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 05:08.47 | mfrisch | does hurd support amd64? |
| 05:08.52 | Edgardoweb | ! nelsonfx |
| 05:08.56 | madman215 | this says its non free as well |
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| 05:09.03 | philip | mfrisch, ask in hurd |
| 05:09.19 | _shadow_ | i never will use hurd |
| 05:09.23 | _shadow_ | sounds too much like turd |
| 05:09.24 | watercooler | ok iso finished |
| 05:09.26 | JaMaLz | is there a manual how to use bootsplash ? |
| 05:09.33 | tuv | how much am i loosing if i run debian/i386 on 64-bit cpu? |
| 05:09.35 | jnguy[w] | er. |
| 05:09.37 | jnguy[w] | mplayer is too big. |
| 05:09.48 | Edgardoweb | !ubuntu |
| 05:09.48 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 05:09.52 | watercooler | i'll be back as the|borg on my lappy |
| 05:09.52 | CHodapp | tuv, not that much, really. |
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| 05:10.08 | Edgardoweb | !Edgardoweb |
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| 05:10.19 | tuv | CHodapp, well then am i getting anything out of using a 64-bit cpu? |
| 05:10.36 | CHodapp | tuv, running Debian AMD64 isn't that difficult, either. Only things that gave me trouble were Flash and proprietary video codecs. |
| 05:10.37 | cast | oh oh. i have another 32bit annoyance |
| 05:10.48 | jnguy[w] | bmp might be what I'm looking for though. |
| 05:10.50 | madman215 | mfrish this still says its non free |
| 05:10.52 | cast | when my ifconfig tx and rx byte counters loop over :| |
| 05:11.27 | CHodapp | tuv, some software will run faster |
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| 05:11.37 | The|Borg | back |
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| 05:11.50 | Edgardoweb | !edgardoweb |
| 05:11.55 | tuv | CHodapp, even on a 32-bit os? |
| 05:12.17 | mfrisch | CHodapp: use gnash for flash..codecs won't work |
| 05:12.28 | Edgardoweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.28 | Edgardoweb | * - -;+;,-i,;+= |
| 05:12.29 | Edgardoweb | * - i,,::,+,,;;=,:- -= |
| 05:12.29 | Edgardoweb | * - - =+,,,,,,,,==+,,,i ;,- |
| 05:12.29 | Edgardoweb | * - ,: =,+,:,,,,,=;ii,.,,i,; |
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| 05:12.32 | CHodapp | mfrisch, I do them in a chroot |
| 05:12.38 | The|Borg | ow |
| 05:12.41 | The|Borg | bot? |
| 05:12.47 | CHodapp | tuv, no, then it's just a 32-bit CPU to the OS |
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| 05:12.51 | Edgardoweb | * - -;,,,,,,,,,,+ ,, +- i,,,;,= -+,,,= +:,,,= |
| 05:12.52 | zinx | The|Borg: troll, most likely |
| 05:12.53 | Edgardoweb | * - -i======:,= =i i++====+:,,,,;;,:,+,,,- |
| 05:12.55 | Edgardoweb | * - ++;,,,- -,,,,,,,.....,=,,,=,,: |
| 05:12.57 | Edgardoweb | * - -,,,:+ +,,,........,+,,;;,,i |
| 05:12.57 | zinx | !ops Edgardoweb. |
| 05:12.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: Edgardoweb. |
| 05:12.59 | Edgardoweb | * - ,,,........,+,:+,,; |
| 05:13.01 | Edgardoweb | * - i,,........,=,=,,: |
| 05:13.03 | Edgardoweb | * - i,,,,,,,.,,==,,:- |
| 05:13.05 | Edgardoweb | * - -:,,,....,==,; |
| 05:13.05 | The|Borg | no i mean debhelper |
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| 05:13.19 | zinx | The|Borg: yes |
| 05:13.32 | madman215 | mfrish; this still says its non free |
| 05:13.45 | CHodapp | mfrisch, I tried Gnash, it seemed not to like some simple interactive Flash things |
| 05:13.57 | CHodapp | though I'll likely try again soon. |
| 05:14.19 | CHodapp | because Flash 9 does not get along well with Aiglx |
| 05:14.26 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know where I can find the package named "nvidia-kernel-1.0.9625"? |
| 05:14.29 | The|Borg | oh shit... |
| 05:14.54 | The|Borg | i think the fact that i have a sata drive will infringe on my install |
| 05:15.02 | tuv | kingsley, in experimental repository |
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| 05:15.05 | The|Borg | no partitionable media found |
| 05:15.13 | mfrisch | madman215: you does? |
| 05:15.32 | centrx | kingsley there's nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:15.40 | mfrisch | madman215: who does? |
| 05:15.41 | dondelelcaro | The|Borg: you'll have better luck with the etch installer. |
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| 05:16.07 | The|Borg | hmmm |
| 05:16.15 | The|Borg | and how do i go about geting that? |
| 05:16.17 | madman215 | mfrisch, ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/dists/sarge/ |
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| 05:16.44 | dijz | Hi, how I can fix : Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C? I cannot get xterm UTF-8! |
| 05:17.04 | tuv | The|Borg, www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 05:17.22 | dijz | I try dpkg-reconfigure locales, but it dont works |
| 05:17.35 | dijz | I am in debian testing |
| 05:17.38 | The|Borg | thank you tuv |
| 05:17.48 | tuv | The|Borg, yw |
| 05:18.12 | The|Borg | thankgod my lappy has a cd burner |
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| 05:18.38 | dijz | do you get similar error? |
| 05:18.47 | The|Borg | oh.. another thing that ubuntu did was restart x whenever i kill it |
| 05:18.47 | mfrisch | madman215: goto blackdown.org yes its non-free just like window ver. |
| 05:19.06 | The|Borg | so i couldent install the nvidea driver without automatix |
| 05:19.26 | madman215 | mfrisch, why exactialy does non free mean? do i have to pay for it? |
| 05:19.42 | mentor | !non-free |
| 05:19.43 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 05:19.52 | belracu | hehe |
| 05:19.54 | The|Borg | go ask rms madman215 |
| 05:19.55 | mfrisch | madman215: you can't change the code. |
| 05:19.56 | The|Borg | :P |
| 05:20.04 | madman215 | ok |
| 05:20.08 | The|Borg | you'l get an earfull :P |
| 05:20.24 | mentor | I suppose usuing a variable space font on IRC is heresy |
| 05:21.10 | kingsley_ | tuv, I didn't see it in experimental. |
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| 05:22.05 | The|Borg | man... did any1 else here liste to tllts, the one when rms was on? |
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| 05:22.44 | tuv | kingsley_, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/x11/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:22.46 | mentor | I've avoided listening to RMS since he was so American at FOSDEM last year. |
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| 05:23.49 | The|Borg | it was somewhat humorus |
| 05:24.05 | The|Borg | and linc relly got him going |
| 05:25.22 | dijz | do onebody have libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8? xlibs 7.0.5? do you can use xterm utf-8? do yuo get "Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C"? please, help me! |
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| 05:25.38 | madman215 | ok so i downloaded the package, how do i make it .deb? |
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| 05:26.36 | kingsley_ | tuv, Yes, I see nvidia-kernel-source in experimental, which looks encouraging. My only concern is that I find myself wondering how to convert it into a package named "nvidia-kernel-1.0.9625" to satisfy a dependency of nvidia-glx. Do you happen to know how to convert it? |
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| 05:26.38 | mfrisch | madman215: did you install java-package? |
| 05:27.33 | madman215 | mfrisch, i downloaded the package and unzipped it, but i dont know what to do with the package |
| 05:27.40 | tuv | kingsley_, install module-assistant and build-essential, then run 'm-a a-i nvidia'. see man m-a for details |
| 05:28.38 | kingsley_ | tuv, I'll check it out. |
| 05:28.47 | tuv | kingsley_, you'll need nvidia-glx from experimental too |
| 05:28.50 | mfrisch | madman215: java-package is a deb from debian it makes the deb..you don't want to unzip it too |
| 05:28.55 | dijz | ... tks |
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| 05:29.22 | madman215 | i think i did something wrong then, all i got was package |
| 05:29.22 | kingsley_ | tuv, Yes, I'm happy to report that I already have it. |
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| 05:30.02 | tuv | kingsley_, ok.. i'll pass the message to the bosses |
| 05:30.19 | tuv | :) |
| 05:30.35 | madman215 | packages actually |
| 05:30.43 | kingsley_ | tuv, :) |
| 05:31.04 | tuv | madman215, what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:31.24 | mfrisch | madman215: there should be a deb file for java on blackdown it is the easist and quickest... |
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| 05:31.46 | Guerin | fuck no |
| 05:31.55 | Guerin | blackdown java is *horribly* broken |
| 05:32.05 | Guerin | mfrisch: /msg dpkg install java |
| 05:32.23 | puff | Evening. I'm upgrading mailman via "aptitude install mailman". It lists a bunch of bugs. Are these bugs that are fixed in the upgrade, or bugs reported with the new version? |
| 05:32.37 | tuv | i never understood where blackdown java came from.. is it ibm's, sun's or some underground java?!! |
| 05:32.45 | peterS | puff: are you using apt-listchanges or what? |
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| 05:33.03 | peterS | tuv: it's Sun's, modified to work better on Linux |
| 05:33.03 | Guerin | tuv: blackdown make it. They have a license from sun. |
| 05:33.04 | mfrisch | Guerin: I am just trying to get java on his machine somehow...and there amd64 port work for my purposes |
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| 05:33.45 | RobZombie | DEBIAN UNIX |
| 05:33.53 | peterS | RobZombie: uh...? |
| 05:34.08 | RobZombie | MICROSOFT BSD |
| 05:34.13 | peterS | RobZombie: ok, stop now |
| 05:34.17 | RobZombie | wut? |
| 05:34.19 | Guerin | MORON BRAIN |
| 05:34.39 | puff | peterS: No idea.. I'm using aptitude, does that automatically invoke apt-listchanges? |
| 05:34.45 | RobZombie | mIRC Backdoors |
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| 05:35.00 | Guerin | PETERS BANS |
| 05:35.04 | peterS | (: |
| 05:35.14 | peterS | puff: you might have apt-listbugs installed. that lists current bugs open against the package. |
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| 05:35.26 | puff | ah-hah, yeahh, sounds like something I'd install. |
| 05:35.28 | madman215 | im so confused, there is nothing.deb that i can find |
| 05:35.46 | puff | peterS: Okay, so does that list current bugs against the old package or the new package? |
| 05:35.47 | peterS | puff: the bugs open in our bug tracking system may or may not affect the version of something that you _already_ have installed |
| 05:36.10 | puff | Right, but they definitely affect the new version? |
| 05:36.21 | peterS | puff: with version tracking, it's possible to specify that a bug that affects only specific versions of a package, but it's not like bug submitters carefully test each version to see which ones are affected, so our information is very incomplete |
| 05:36.57 | peterS | puff: to be honest, I don't know if apt-listbugs uses version tracking information in any way, or not. the feature itself is only a few months old, so it's quite possible that it does not |
| 05:37.11 | tuv | !install java |
| 05:37.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 05:37.49 | minerale | I'm having an odd problem in gnome (etch) the windows seem to be stuck "on top" clicking a window does not bring it forward, it simply selects it, I have to manually click the title to bring it on top, what is this ? |
| 05:38.37 | tuv | minerale, probably a log-out log-in cycle will fix it |
| 05:38.41 | peterS | minerale: I don't know what window manager you are using (GNOME can use quite a few different ones), but this is usually a window manager configuration setting |
| 05:38.54 | puff | tuv: I'm a java developer; I've done probably more java-on-linux work than the average bear. I'm very hopeful, now that Sun is trying to make java GPL-friendly, but to date I've found it much easier to just download the Java install from sun and set up a private install for my java projects. |
| 05:39.13 | puff | peterS: Thanks... guess I'll chance it. |
| 05:39.33 | madman215 | puff, maybe you can help me |
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| 05:39.51 | falkon | window 3 |
| 05:39.55 | falkon | oops |
| 05:40.13 | puff | tuv: The "normal" approach on debian is to download the java installer from sun, apt-get install a particular debian package that will then help you package that downloaded java install into your own little custom debian package, and then install that custom debian package. |
| 05:40.38 | tuv | puff, have you tried the new sun-java5-* packages? they have the advantage of being automatically upgraded, if that is desirable anyway. |
| 05:40.46 | puff | tuv: However, in general I usually use java for very specific purposes, so I haven't had a great need for that roll-your-own process. |
| 05:40.53 | peterS | puff: well, these days you can get Sun's actual java packages directly from the non-free repository. that was not true until about 6 months ago |
| 05:40.57 | puff | tuv: No, haven't, looking forward to trying it out. |
| 05:41.13 | cast | peterS: oh. this is gpl'd java? |
| 05:41.16 | puff | peterS: Ah, cool... I thought they were still de-encumbering the APIs? |
| 05:41.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | puff: So the new free Sun Java is finally entering the repos? |
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| 05:41.37 | peterS | cast: this is java-license-fixed-6-months-ago-so-perhaps-debian-can-distribute-it-at-all. GPL java is still in the works |
| 05:42.24 | peterS | puff: don't know how the GPL java business is coming along - this is a change several months ago from a situation where debian couldn't distribute java _at all_ to a situation where we're now possibly allowed to, so it can go in non-free instead of having you download it separately |
| 05:42.53 | puff | peterS: I find that a very happy thing. |
| 05:43.03 | madman215 | which one of these do i download? ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/dists/sarge/non-free/binary-i386/ |
| 05:43.23 | peterS | puff: hence the existence of 'sun-java5-jdk' and other packages in non-free. presumably these will _eventually_ move from non-free to main. |
| 05:43.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS: Why stick it in non-free when it's under the GPL now? |
| 05:43.30 | peterS | Dark_Apostrophe: not all of it is |
| 05:43.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is the jre package? |
| 05:44.06 | peterS | Dark_Apostrophe: presumably bits will migrate themselves over to main in due course. it doesn't make sense to try to shoehorn that into etch at this point, though - too many other things to worry about right now |
| 05:44.08 | falkon | erg |
| 05:44.12 | JaMaLz | how to fix the screen reselution |
| 05:44.14 | tuv | Dark_Apostrophe, sun's java is not gpl'ed |
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| 05:44.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS: k |
| 05:44.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | tuv: Part of it is. :P |
| 05:44.43 | JaMaLz | in console |
| 05:44.59 | falkon | every time I do 'modprobe nvidia' it says it's supported through legacy drivers. Well I installed nvidia-glx-legacy. Is there something I'm missing here? |
| 05:45.00 | peterS | anyway, yeah, 'aptitude install sun-java5-jre' or sun-java5-jdk or whatever you happen to need - the stuff in non-free is supposed to Just Work, insofar as non-free software ever works (: |
| 05:45.11 | tuv | Dark_Apostrophe, as far as i understood, all sun did is allow people to redistribute their binary. source is available to java classes only, but not for the jre |
| 05:45.12 | madman215 | how do i make something a .deb? because its not there |
| 05:45.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | tuv: Oh. :) |
| 05:45.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | *:( |
| 05:45.37 | _shadow_ | !aptitude |
| 05:45.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
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| 05:45.48 | tuv | Dark_Apostrophe, and i'm not aware of any gpl'ed parts |
| 05:46.00 | minerale | tuv: a reboot has not fixed it |
| 05:46.08 | puff | Dark_Apostrophe: Bear in mind that sun doesn't own all rights to everything in the java APIs... not ot mention the attached sun APIs. They'll have to negotiate with those rights-holders before they can reclassifiy that stuff as GPL. |
| 05:46.14 | peterS | madman215: we don't particularly recommend blackdown nowadays, now that sun java5 is in non-free |
| 05:46.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://digg.com/tech_news/Sun_open_sources_Java_SE_ME_and_Glassfish_under_GPLv2 |
| 05:46.26 | JaMaLz | how to fix the screen reselution , in debian |
| 05:46.28 | madman215 | so how do i do it |
| 05:46.33 | madman215 | aptitude? |
| 05:46.40 | tuv | minerale, do you have metacity running? (pgrep metacity) |
| 05:46.55 | peterS | madman215: you did what I said several lines ago when you apparently weren't paying attention |
| 05:49.11 | JaMaLz | how to edit screen resolution in menu.lst in grub ? |
| 05:49.13 | kingsley_ | tuv, Thanks for your detailed instructions on building an nvidia-kernel package. It went smoothly. |
| 05:49.33 | tuv | kingsley, great |
| 05:49.56 | tuv | !customer |
| 05:49.56 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 05:50.04 | minerale | tuv: ah, I got it peters: you were right, gconf-editor -> apps -> metacity -> raise on click was disabled, thanks y`all |
| 05:50.15 | kingsley_ | tuv, Do you happen to know how to tell which version of nvidia's driver is running? |
| 05:50.42 | tuv | kingsley, look at /var/log/Xorg*.log |
| 05:50.46 | madman215 | peterS, that didnt do anything at all |
| 05:51.12 | falkon | yay got it working |
| 05:51.18 | falkon | needed nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 05:51.31 | kingsley_ | tuv, Sweet. Thanks. Gotta go and restart X. |
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| 05:52.00 | madman215 | cant find any packages that match.... |
| 05:53.59 | peterS | madman215: oh, you have to have non-free in your sources.list |
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| 05:55.46 | dn4 | Anyone know of an archive that hold raw 9/11 footage? |
| 05:56.23 | peterS | dn4: do you have anything Debian-related to discuss? |
| 05:56.55 | madman215 | no |
| 05:57.00 | freeone3000 | The ninth of november? Nope. |
| 05:57.23 | peterS | presumably 9/11 is some star trek character like 7/9 |
| 05:57.31 | peterS | is she hot? |
| 05:57.42 | Malagmyr | she's 7/9's fat mom |
| 05:57.54 | dn4 | peterS what is a good video editing program that apt-get would have? |
| 05:58.31 | peterS | dn4: apt-cache search video edit |
| 06:00.14 | gpm | dn4: kino's good |
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| 06:00.59 | dn4 | gpm canyou put text over the video with kino |
| 06:01.19 | madman215 | i went to suns website and downloaded the rpm.bin file, do i just take the .bin off the end to alien it? |
| 06:01.26 | peterS | dn4: did you try 'apt-cache search video edit' like I told you to? |
| 06:01.40 | peterS | dn4: if so, you may have spotted one or two packages that claim to let you edit subtitles |
| 06:01.52 | gpm | dn4: dunno, try it out |
| 06:01.58 | tuv | madman215, you've done everything except the right thing |
| 06:02.02 | peterS | madman215: you keep _not_ doing what we recommend. why? |
| 06:02.10 | tuv | madman215, are you running stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 06:02.16 | madman215 | because its int in aptitude |
| 06:02.21 | madman215 | not in * |
| 06:02.58 | madman215 | i dont have a nonfree in aptitude and when i search for it in aptitude it dosent find it |
| 06:02.59 | madman215 | stable |
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| 06:03.03 | madman215 | sarge |
| 06:05.00 | tuv | madman215, 1) install java-package. 2) download the .bin from sun. 3) run make-jpkg sun's-java.bin. 4) as root, run 'dpkg -i <created-file.deb> |
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| 06:06.27 | gpm | isn't there a java-one-liner? |
| 06:06.32 | madman215 | apt-get says couldnt find package java-package |
| 06:06.39 | tuv | madman215, and btw, you don't look for nonfree in aptitude, you type it in your /etc/apt/sources.list at the end of your deb lines. it's a section in the repository just like main and contrib, if you have those |
| 06:07.39 | tuv | madman215, then you need to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list. do 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' as root, and append the word non-free at the end of evrey line that starts with 'deb' |
| 06:08.18 | tuv | madman215, actually append 'contrib non-free' without the quotes |
| 06:08.55 | madman215 | all 3 of them start with deb |
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| 06:09.11 | tuv | madman215, then append 'contrib non-free' to all of them |
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| 06:09.42 | madman215 | with a space? |
| 06:09.48 | madman215 | after the origional line? |
| 06:09.56 | tuv | madman215, yes |
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| 06:10.30 | tuv | madman215, make sure the whole line is in a single line. if nano splits it into two lines put it back into one |
| 06:12.01 | madman215 | now i get a scary red screen when i run aptitude |
| 06:12.29 | tuv | madman215, do an update: hit 'u' in aptitude, or just run aptitude update |
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| 06:13.47 | madman215 | ok.. now what do i do again? |
| 06:14.40 | tuv | madman215, scroll up and find out. you don't like to work, do you? |
| 06:14.40 | JaMaLz | grub splash workin perfectly but bootsplash not working fine |
| 06:15.07 | tuv | JaMaLz, they have nothing in common |
| 06:15.12 | madman215 | i got it |
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| 06:15.25 | JaMaLz | i know but i'm having a problem in bootsplash |
| 06:15.37 | JaMaLz | i was followin the guide |
| 06:16.10 | tuv | JaMaLz, sorry.. i already said all i knew about bootsplash :) |
| 06:16.33 | JaMaLz | tuv : i know |
| 06:16.55 | tuv | JaMaLz, come on.. how did you know? |
| 06:17.22 | JaMaLz | tuv : u just said that ;) |
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| 06:18.53 | madman215 | i get as far as make-jpkg, but where does it put the .deb file? |
| 06:19.22 | tuv | madman215, look for it in the current directory and the nearby directories :) |
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| 06:20.36 | madman215 | is it suposed to find plugins? |
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| 06:21.06 | tuv | madman215, what plugins? do you have java installed or not yet? |
| 06:21.52 | JaMaLz | tuv : u know how to change console resolution |
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| 06:22.18 | madman215 | no for the make-jpkg it says Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh and some more, then no matching plugin was found, removing temp dir |
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| 06:23.08 | tuv | JaMaLz, append vga=<code> to your kernel line in grub's menu.lst. see vesafb.txt in google for a list of codes and corresponding resolutions |
| 06:23.26 | gouki | guys, is partman-crypto gonna be standard on etch? |
| 06:23.37 | JaMaLz | thanks |
| 06:24.11 | gouki | i've read it will, but I haven't seen beta3 screenshots of it |
| 06:24.13 | tuv | madman215, what's the command you used to run make-jpkg? you need to pass sun's-java.bin file as an arguemnt |
| 06:24.27 | peterS | gouki: beta3 is ancient, we're all about rc1 now (: |
| 06:24.38 | madman215 | make-jpkg j2sdk-1_4_2_13-linux-i586-rpm.bin |
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| 06:25.08 | tuv | madman215, that's not the file you need. NO RPM. download the .bin without any ROM |
| 06:25.12 | tuv | RPM |
| 06:25.25 | gouki | peterS: I know, it's just that the d-i Wiki says it's been implemented on beta3, still, I never saw a single screenshot |
| 06:25.50 | peterS | gouki: I haven't actually tested rc1 but people say setting up crypto filesystems works fine |
| 06:26.33 | tuv | madman215, and why are you using 1.4. there is 1.5 now |
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| 06:26.49 | gouki | peterS: That's cool. It's one of the things I'm really looking forward too |
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| 06:28.28 | The|Borg | im not even done installing and it looks like this will be nice |
| 06:28.40 | The|Borg | i'll be back |
| 06:28.44 | The|Borg | as watercooler |
| 06:29.48 | JaMaLz | tuv : do i put it after kernel or after initrd ? |
| 06:30.09 | tuv | JaMaLz, kernel |
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| 06:51.26 | The|Borg | crap |
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| 06:52.53 | tuv | yea |
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| 06:53.42 | The|Borg | this is on my dual boot box |
| 06:53.49 | The|Borg | grub didnt want to install |
| 06:53.51 | The|Borg | lilo would |
| 06:54.01 | The|Borg | but it wont se my windows part |
| 06:54.19 | The|Borg | just boots right to linux |
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| 06:57.08 | The|Borg | wana help me? |
| 06:57.33 | odla | The|Borg: you could reinstall grub...or google how to dual boot with lilo |
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| 06:57.45 | The|Borg | ... |
| 06:57.48 | The|Borg | great |
| 06:57.53 | odla | The|Borg: apt-get install grub |
| 06:58.05 | odla | The|Borg: grub-install /dev/hdc(a) |
| 06:58.09 | odla | The|Borg: update-grub |
| 06:58.15 | odla | The|Borg: sorry i can't be more help i'm going to bed |
| 06:58.35 | odla | it's either /dev/hdc or /dev/hda depending on your computer |
| 06:59.24 | odla | The|Borg: does that help? |
| 06:59.46 | DaveLib | The|Borg: i installed grub i found useful documentation in info grub |
| 07:00.07 | DaveLib | grub is nicer than lilo if you can get grub working |
| 07:00.31 | The|Borg | ok |
| 07:00.37 | The|Borg | i got it installed |
| 07:00.43 | DaveLib | to get a dual boot to windows you might need to edit menu.list in /boot |
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| 07:00.43 | The|Borg | it found the kernel |
| 07:00.57 | The|Borg | i only have it on the mbr |
| 07:01.07 | DaveLib | you can see details in info grub |
| 07:01.11 | The|Borg | k |
| 07:01.24 | DaveLib | ahh ok you installed grub onto the mbr |
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| 07:07.36 | cwraig | hi all |
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| 07:08.16 | DaveLib | hello |
| 07:08.40 | cwraig | does anyone know anything about xdmcp with gdm? |
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| 07:11.12 | Guerin | cwraig: tldp.org does. It's pretty straightforward. |
| 07:11.32 | Guerin | cwraig: more or less the same as with xdm, only the config files are different. |
| 07:12.04 | cwraig | im trying to have a client automatily connect to a remote xdmcp server rather then offering local logon |
| 07:13.03 | DavidProck1981 | to about my friend pc he dont wave the orginal windows factory restore cd and i search for evor and cant get and windows drivers anf any of his hard ware and he liked the way my Debian system looked so i put that on there and all is fine but i need better video drivers, I have used the module-assistant for my ATI drivers so im fimarlier with that so what do i do, and aptitude install WHAT, he has a Nvidia Geforce4 MX 440 |
| 07:13.39 | blondie | DavidProck1981: english please |
| 07:14.04 | Phated | That's that he can't speak it, not that he isn't trying :) |
| 07:14.12 | Guerin | cwraig: set the client to run X -query ip.add.re.ss on startx or on your chosen runlevel, and set the server to listen and accept xdmcp requests from that slient |
| 07:14.37 | Guerin | s/sl/cl/ |
| 07:14.37 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude aka apt-get install WHAT, for a Nvidia Geforce4 MX 440 card |
| 07:14.43 | liable | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkf nvidia one liner |
| 07:14.43 | cwraig | yea ive got it to listen and connect but i just want it to do it automaticly |
| 07:14.54 | liable | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 07:15.25 | The|Borg | ok... well how do i tell grub to decect other oses? |
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| 07:15.48 | The|Borg | this is driving me nuts... |
| 07:15.55 | Guerin | The|Borg: read the info in /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 07:16.03 | blondie | menu.lst |
| 07:16.17 | DavidProck1981 | what i dont use he /msg do i |
| 07:16.38 | blondie | !tell DavidProck1981 about nvidia one liner |
| 07:16.43 | liable | !tell DavidProck1981 about nvidia one liner |
| 07:16.59 | liable | stupid lag |
| 07:17.02 | SpeedyG | now he knows it double :D |
| 07:17.19 | liable | heh |
| 07:18.12 | DavidProck1981 | it say ask about etch, in useing etch aka 4.0 |
| 07:19.01 | liable | is it still missing in etch? |
| 07:19.49 | liable | DavidProck1981: whatever it says to ask, just ask it in the window dpkg opened in query |
| 07:20.56 | liable | i hate it when i am on dial up and someone sends me a video in email.. |
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| 07:21.49 | Phated | Surely anything after the words 'dial up' is irrelevant. |
| 07:21.56 | Phated | :) |
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| 07:24.41 | liable | heh, laugh if you must :P |
| 07:27.25 | DavidProck1981 | it cant get nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 07:28.50 | liable | !tell DavidProck1981 about etch nvidia |
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| 07:34.46 | The|Borg | can i install ntfs suport with apt-get? |
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| 07:36.10 | enouf | The|Borg: yes apt-get install ntfsprogs |
| 07:36.36 | enouf | also /msg dpkg ntfs for info about the 3g driver |
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| 07:37.36 | huhlig | question, where would I find the latest alsa kernel modules for the 2.6.17 |
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| 07:37.40 | huhlig | I cant find the package |
| 07:37.54 | enouf | The|Borg: however the grub issue and booting into ntfs can be solved via looking here http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 07:38.36 | enouf | huhlig: apt-cache search -n alsa |
| 07:38.47 | huhlig | -n? |
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| 07:39.02 | enouf | huhlig: er .. modprobe -l | grep alsa maybe |
| 07:39.17 | liable | huhlig: from the alsa project? |
| 07:39.20 | enouf | man apt-cache |
| 07:39.29 | huhlig | liable, im trying to get the intel8x0 sound driver |
| 07:39.30 | liable | i dunno if debian packages the latest source.. |
| 07:39.41 | liable | huhlig: thats been in the kernel forever |
| 07:39.49 | liable | well.. almost |
| 07:39.50 | huhlig | liable, for nforce4? |
| 07:40.03 | huhlig | alsa-driver-1.0.11rc3 |
| 07:40.06 | liable | no idea |
| 07:40.22 | liable | huhlig: see the alsa web page for details |
| 07:40.24 | streuner | enouf: did the camera man solved yesterday his problem? |
| 07:40.34 | huhlig | liable, ok, I was looking for precompiled |
| 07:41.03 | enouf | streuner: I'd like to know myself .. :-) |
| 07:41.08 | liable | huhlig: you wont get precompiled, if its in the repo, you will have to m-a it |
| 07:41.19 | huhlig | m-a? |
| 07:41.22 | enouf | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'alsa-driver-1.0.11rc3' returned no results |
| 07:41.23 | huhlig | compile myself? |
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| 07:41.27 | liable | yes |
| 07:41.29 | DavidProck1981 | im back., so what is the deal with nvidia |
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| 07:41.35 | liable | huhlig: m-a is module assistent |
| 07:41.36 | streuner | enouf: well, the 'cardreader' solution seems to be the one with less headaches... |
| 07:41.54 | huhlig | liable, hmm, im not familier with tthat |
| 07:42.08 | enouf | streuner: abso-tively .. that camera has a card available, but I guess he didn't have one |
| 07:42.15 | liable | huhlig: its a debian thing for making modules from debian source packages |
| 07:42.28 | liable | huhlig: its quite handy |
| 07:42.30 | dm_ | Hello. How do I set the time manually on Debian Sarge? (chrony is running but time difference seems to be too big) |
| 07:42.45 | streuner | enouf: there is also, i didn't find any entry for that bitch in groups.google.com |
| 07:42.48 | streuner | very odd |
| 07:43.24 | enouf | dm_: replace CMOS battery if drifting .. or look into ntp .. or use date -s and/or tzconfig maybe |
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| 07:43.35 | karsten | Any recommendations for something to relatively quickly map a route, possibly via Google Maps or something equivalent. Multiple waypoints, not just point-to-point. |
| 07:43.53 | liable | ntpdate should fix drift, no? |
| 07:43.57 | enouf | streuner: indeed .. I happen to find the camera on hp's site .. but usb.ids has no listing for it |
| 07:43.59 | huhlig | liable, how can I force install an unstable package |
| 07:44.05 | huhlig | without upgrading everything |
| 07:44.09 | The|Borg | SIGH..... |
| 07:44.12 | The|Borg | thankgod |
| 07:44.24 | liable | huhlig: if it doesnt have depends, just download the deb and install with dpkg |
| 07:44.26 | Guerin | huhlig: you can't |
| 07:44.28 | enouf | liable: sure .. but it's not really a replacement for a bad cmos battery :-) |
| 07:44.28 | nwf | Hello all.; anybody here have experience with vservers? In particular, with vhashify? |
| 07:44.38 | The|Borg | i didnt have the |
| 07:44.41 | The|Borg | savedefault |
| 07:44.41 | huhlig | Guerin, Ive been told how to do it before |
| 07:44.41 | The|Borg | makeactive |
| 07:44.41 | The|Borg | chainloader +1 |
| 07:44.44 | The|Borg | at the end |
| 07:44.54 | Guerin | huhlig: remember. |
| 07:44.58 | enouf | The|Borg: I knew you'd eventually find that out ;-] |
| 07:45.04 | Guerin | huhlig: the real answer is 'you can't, reliably' |
| 07:45.21 | The|Borg | well the coments didnt say a thing about it... |
| 07:45.26 | liable | is etch frozen now? |
| 07:45.29 | nwf | huhlig: You can pin packages (google can tell you in less time than I), and then "apt-get install foo/unstable". It is a little shaky but I've never had trouble with it. |
| 07:45.45 | huhlig | nwf thanks |
| 07:45.48 | The|Borg | well nothing i could relly read in my paniced state |
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| 07:46.10 | madman215 | every time i start my computer i have to do iwconfig wlan0 key blah blah blah essid blah blah, how can i make it do that automatically |
| 07:46.27 | The|Borg | as you may now reinstalling windows is a real pita no adays |
| 07:46.44 | tuv | madman215, did you get java working? |
| 07:46.44 | liable | madman215: in /etc/interface or in wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 07:46.52 | The|Borg | now.... i can go to sleep |
| 07:47.02 | madman215 | tuv, yes i did, thanks for all the help |
| 07:47.59 | tuv | liable, i don't think interfaces is enough for stable. has to do pre-up wpa_supplicant and edit wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 07:48.10 | The|Borg | then tomaorw i can get a new kernel, install the nvidia driver, the get the resolution right then get beyrl going |
| 07:48.19 | enouf | streuner: look who's here ;-0 |
| 07:48.27 | madman215 | liable, what do i add to /etc/interace? |
| 07:48.35 | streuner | enouf: yeah :-P |
| 07:48.38 | dm_ | enouf: It's not drifting, it's just set wrong. Which of the commands you suggested is the right one to set the time once. |
| 07:48.38 | streuner | !popcon |
| 07:48.38 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:48.39 | dm_ | ? |
| 07:48.56 | The|Borg | but for now i need sleep |
| 07:49.03 | enouf | madman215: it's /etc/network/interfaces IIRC |
| 07:49.26 | tuv | enouf, you do remember correctly :) |
| 07:49.28 | liable | madman215: do you have stable or newer? |
| 07:49.36 | madman215 | stable |
| 07:49.49 | streuner | madman215: does the camera have 'PTP' mode? |
| 07:49.52 | enouf | tuv: .. hehe |
| 07:49.56 | moshii | What's the status of XGL and all that jazz in unstable? Is it apt-get install'able yet? |
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| 07:50.02 | liable | tuv: hrm, i may be mistaken, but i thought that was possible |
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| 07:50.21 | The|Borg | thanks for the help |
| 07:50.26 | liable | madman215: firstly have a read of /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:50.30 | madman215 | streuner, haha still on the camera? im not sure |
| 07:50.33 | tuv | liable, interfaces is enough in stable unless you want wpa[2] |
| 07:50.37 | The|Borg | but i'll probly need more tomarow :D |
| 07:50.51 | liable | tuv: ya, thats what i thought. he said wep, so it should be ok. |
| 07:51.05 | enouf | madman215: ever upgrade the kernel to 2.6 ? |
| 07:51.07 | liable | moshii: xgl isnt in the repos yet, you gotta compile it |
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| 07:51.37 | tuv | moshii, aiglx is there, but it really depends on your h/w |
| 07:51.40 | moshii | liable: so it's still a pita to get working |
| 07:51.43 | dm_ | Which command must I run to sync system time once with an ntp server? |
| 07:51.44 | daninj | evening folks |
| 07:51.44 | liable | moshii: theres ubuntu debs, they may work.. or may not. compiling it isnt so hard after the first time or two :) |
| 07:51.53 | moshii | tuv: hmm I have a i915 thingy |
| 07:52.05 | tuv | moshii, i think that should work alright |
| 07:52.13 | liable | moshii: that should work with aiglx |
| 07:52.14 | madman215 | enouf, no not yet, to be honest i forgot how |
| 07:52.14 | moshii | tuv: if using GL would speed it up a bit it might be worth it :P |
| 07:52.30 | enouf | !tell madman215 about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 07:52.48 | enouf | madman215: you can always /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 07:53.17 | moshii | liable: is there much difference between aiglx and xgl? I haven't really kept track of X since the xfree x.org stuff |
| 07:53.40 | enouf | madman215: the keywords for that factoid look like this --> /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel <-- type that into your client |
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| 07:54.15 | madman215 | enouf, sweet, maybe now i can be a little less annoying |
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| 07:54.31 | enouf | goes off for a moment to make some more coffee |
| 07:54.49 | madman215 | enouf, is 2.6 the latest kernel? |
| 07:54.51 | andyshack | im trying to get sarge to install on a proliant 385 with a sas array. i can configure the array easily enough with its controller so im assuming its working ok although the install cant seem to find a mountable partition to format and thus stops there. ive tried using the 2.6 kernal option aswel to no joy (it most deff has the controller drivers) any ideas of what i could try or where to look ? i was thinking even try a copy of windows |
| 07:55.09 | liable | moshii: for the purpose of the cool effects, the same |
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| 07:55.21 | liable | moshii: your intel wont work with xgl at any rate |
| 07:55.38 | optraz | hello, one of the hddA on server A going to die, now i need to copy all the content on hddA to another server, which is the best way to copy ? no GUI here |
| 07:55.56 | liable | !tell optraz about hard drive upgrade |
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| 07:56.29 | liable | andyshack: i guess you need to find which kernel supports that controller, then come back |
| 07:56.48 | andyshack | yeah 2.6 is meant to |
| 07:56.57 | liable | 2.6 what? |
| 07:57.04 | andyshack | which is why im a little stumped. |
| 07:57.13 | huhlig | gah |
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| 07:57.25 | huhlig | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 07:57.25 | huhlig | E: Error occured while processing yacas (NewVersion1) |
| 07:57.33 | huhlig | Ive got a full gig of memory |
| 07:57.34 | |ryan| | hi hans |
| 07:57.35 | huhlig | whats wrong |
| 07:57.36 | optraz | liable, i need to transfer/backup/cp to antoher server, so no local cp ? |
| 07:57.37 | huhlig | hi ryan |
| 07:57.39 | liable | !tell huhlig about mmap |
| 07:57.49 | huhlig | liable, ok tell me |
| 07:57.51 | |ryan| | does etch support root on RAID+LVM? |
| 07:58.07 | liable | optraz: so scp or ftp it all over |
| 07:58.16 | |ryan| | I have space in my case for 7 hard drives without heat issues |
| 07:58.26 | blondie | only 7? |
| 07:58.29 | liable | |ryan|: yes, depending on your controller |
| 07:58.32 | |ryan| | I want to run 7x200GB with RAID6 |
| 07:58.38 | |ryan| | liable: SW raid. |
| 07:58.46 | optraz | liable, ftp only transfer files in a directory, i would liek to transfer ALL files in hddA ? how do i create direcotry on the server B ? |
| 07:58.59 | liable | |ryan|: still depends on the controller |
| 07:59.05 | huhlig | liable, ? |
| 07:59.12 | enouf | madman215: yes 2.6.8-3-686 to continue staying totally and officially stable .. it should suffice for what you need .. if not you can then go higher .. and move into unofficial .. though Etch should release within a few months and use 2.6.18 (or .17) |
| 07:59.16 | |ryan| | liable: multible controlers. |
| 07:59.18 | liable | huhlig: see what dpkg told you |
| 07:59.19 | |ryan| | multiple. |
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| 07:59.31 | christianp | hi all |
| 07:59.41 | |ryan| | I don't really mind bootstrapping via USB. |
| 07:59.53 | |ryan| | (if this bios supports USB....) |
| 07:59.53 | liable | optraz: rsync it or scp should work. |
| 08:00.07 | optraz | mmm ok, i read about these 2 |
| 08:00.08 | optraz | thanks |
| 08:00.13 | |ryan| | or bootstrapping from some other device... |
| 08:00.16 | |ryan| | actualy.... |
| 08:00.23 | moshii | |ryan|: if you can't boot it directly just install a small drive for /boot |
| 08:00.26 | madman215 | enouf, and this dpkg thing makes it seem like i run apt-get and im done, is there more to it than that? or is it realy that easy? |
| 08:00.27 | |ryan| | yeah. |
| 08:00.53 | |ryan| | I could put in an IDE to CF converter and put /boot on a compactflash drive. |
| 08:01.04 | moshii | |ryan|: the initrd and kernel on /boot will be enough to bring the hardware and fs around and jump into it |
| 08:01.10 | enouf | madman215: as long as the prerequisites are fulfilled .. it's that easy ;-) |
| 08:01.14 | moshii | |ryan|: yeah good idea |
| 08:01.30 | madman215 | and apt-get will fill these prerequisites? |
| 08:01.36 | christianp | i install a new etch in my amd64 with nvidia video adapter. all works well, but when i try to scroll a page (for example in firefox) i obtain a very slow refreshing rate, so my page scrolls flashing (i don't know if it's clear) |
| 08:01.48 | |ryan| | how much of a proformance hit will I take by putting two IDE hard drives on the same channel (master/slave)? |
| 08:01.55 | optraz | liable, if i use rsync, is there a way to check the file that is bakcup to Server B is tally with hddA from server A ? |
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| 08:02.12 | optraz | tally means nothing is lost and ALL is backup to server B |
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| 08:02.22 | |ryan| | huhlig? |
| 08:02.37 | huhlig | yes ryan |
| 08:03.10 | moshii | optraz: I think rsync will take care of that for you. You could always create md5 or sha sums to double check though |
| 08:03.10 | |ryan| | opinion on my ide drive question? |
| 08:03.16 | |ryan| | You should know ;) |
| 08:03.20 | enouf | madman215: the /etc/kerenl-img.conf file entries .. as well asany custom kernel boot parameters (concerning grub) .. read the comnments in /boot/grub/menu.list .. but I've a;lready seen your /proc/cmdline, and you have no custom boot parameters |
| 08:03.21 | huhlig | depends |
| 08:03.31 | liable | optraz: read a little about rsync, i think its exactly what your after |
| 08:03.31 | huhlig | how much are you transferring between the two |
| 08:03.32 | optraz | moshii, how is rsync take care of that ? |
| 08:03.47 | |ryan| | huhlig: not much, but they will be in the same RAID6 set |
| 08:03.48 | optraz | liable, right, any good/fast howto link ? need it urgent |
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| 08:04.04 | liable | optraz: not offhand, the man page i guess. |
| 08:04.17 | moshii | optraz: rsync is designed to sync two sets of files... you'd think it'd do some checks to make sure they were the same ;) |
| 08:04.17 | enouf | madman215: you can always use apt-get -s install <pkgname> for a simulation install |
| 08:04.25 | huhlig | |ryan|, raid six is raid5+0 right |
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| 08:04.27 | optraz | ok |
| 08:04.28 | |ryan| | no |
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| 08:04.29 | optraz | thanks guys |
| 08:04.44 | |ryan| | raid6 is like raid5, but can lose any 2 drives. |
| 08:04.45 | madman215 | then what does -u do? |
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| 08:06.19 | enouf | madman215: the thing to remember about grub (non 2.0) which is what most of us use , is that the ##'s in the automagic area are comments, while a single # get's read ..read more about it here http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm ..yet you don't have that issue |
| 08:06.33 | moshii | Is there a standard m68k assembler anywhere in debian? |
| 08:06.39 | enouf | madman215: dunno .. man apt-get .. I never had to use -u :-) |
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| 08:06.49 | multi_io | what's the story about savelog and logrotate? |
| 08:06.54 | enouf | madman215: I've used -s many times though |
| 08:07.10 | multi_io | why do we have savelog when we have logrotate? |
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| 08:07.34 | multi_io | are they supposed to be used at the same time, or alternatively? |
| 08:08.02 | enouf | madman215: just upgrade the friggin kernel already :-P |
| 08:08.05 | madman215 | enouf, well i upgraded it, do i need to restart or anything? what do i need to change about grub? |
| 08:08.36 | enouf | madman215: yes .. you need to reboot .. that's it ..and select the newer one that appears in the grub screen |
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| 08:08.57 | madman215 | alright ill be back |
| 08:09.15 | enouf | madman215: nothing .. to alter .. if you have to .. run update-grub |
| 08:09.33 | enouf | madman215: but shouldn't be necessary |
| 08:09.43 | enouf | streuner: we'll see .. hehe |
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| 08:12.37 | onetinsoldier | when did they put bashish in debian? cool!! |
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| 08:13.53 | onetinsoldier | doh! never mind |
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| 08:21.18 | madman215 | so i have a problem |
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| 08:23.59 | liable | glad to see you finally admit it. now, go see your therapist :P |
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| 08:24.43 | cydork | hehe |
| 08:24.54 | madman215 | the new kernel shuts the monitor off about half way through init |
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| 08:26.07 | liable | madman215: screen just blanks and stays blank? |
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| 08:26.34 | Arafangion | How do I change my console colours and fonts? I have to fix something that's <censored> in Edgy, and nobody there knows how the heck to fix it. :( |
| 08:26.34 | madman215 | liable, not just goes blank, the monitor shuts off |
| 08:27.20 | liable | madman215: funky. cant say i have heard of that one before |
| 08:27.23 | SlayerXP | Arafangion: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 08:27.37 | Arafangion | SlayerXP: I'm aware of that. |
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| 08:27.51 | madman215 | haha.... funky |
| 08:28.01 | cydork | !tell Arafangion -about they don't know |
| 08:28.25 | Arafangion | SOrry, I'm just irritated. |
| 08:28.26 | enouf | Maskeye: huh? |
| 08:28.50 | enouf | Maskeye: sorry .. I meant madman215 |
| 08:28.52 | liable | surely the #ubuntu folks are getting a little smarter by now? |
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| 08:29.12 | Arafangion | liable: Not really :( |
| 08:29.14 | liable | oh thats right, the smart ones install debian after |
| 08:29.15 | madman215 | enouf, the new kernel shuts my monitor off |
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| 08:29.47 | cydork | liable: no need to run! :) |
| 08:29.52 | Arafangion | liable: Actually, Debian's a bit difficult to get working on this particular laptop - I use Debian on the other 5 systems I use, though :) |
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| 08:30.15 | andyshack | ubuntu console bash colour changer : http://www.samisgreat.com/2004/05/bash-color-chooser.html |
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| 08:30.21 | liable | Arafangion: ya, laptops is one area where ubuntu really shines. |
| 08:30.37 | Arafangion | andyshack: I'm very sure that it's not bash that's the problem - but the console colours and fonts itself. |
| 08:30.44 | enouf | madman215: madman .. boot into your older kernel and run update-grub .. did you have any vga= parameters earlier? .. how about acpi options? .. unplug ALL you peripherals .. like USB devices ;-) |
| 08:30.51 | Arafangion | andyshack: For instance, yellow shows up as practically *black*, making nethack a PITA. |
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| 08:31.08 | enouf | madman215: check /var/log/messages too . |
| 08:31.13 | madman215 | enouf, im in the old kernel now |
| 08:31.46 | enouf | madman215: check the sys, kern and messages logs |
| 08:31.52 | Arafangion | liable: Unfortunately, Ubuntu always manages to crap itself every time a new version is made - I advise you that if you ever have a working Ubuntu system, to _never_ upgrade it! |
| 08:31.59 | andyshack | sry bud i have nfi. never been there myself. |
| 08:32.18 | liable | Arafangion: no worries, i wont ever have a working ubuntu system :) |
| 08:32.31 | Arafangion | liable: Very true :( |
| 08:32.49 | Arafangion | liable: I'm seriously considering Fedora, my most hated distro :( |
| 08:32.52 | liable | err, meaning i have no desire to install it.. |
| 08:32.59 | andyshack | i run ubuntu on a stack of sparcs. they like it. |
| 08:33.17 | liable | Arafangion: i quite like the challenge of getting laptop shits working in debian |
| 08:33.50 | Arafangion | liable: This box has an ATI driver, an Intel wireless network card, SD card reader, bluetooth, firewire, etc. |
| 08:34.02 | madman215 | enouf, in /var/log/messages how do i know which one are from the old kernel? |
| 08:34.05 | Arafangion | liable: Meanwhile, I'm a full time student and working full time (at the moment). Please I just want the damn thing working! |
| 08:34.08 | liable | Arafangion: mine too, apart from the SD and firewire |
| 08:34.22 | Arafangion | liable: Did I mention infrared, and a Palm T|X? |
| 08:34.42 | liable | Arafangion: and i have xgl working on the fucker too. which was a bit of a pita, but its nice. |
| 08:34.52 | enouf | madman215: date/time :-) |
| 08:34.55 | liable | Arafangion: did i mention fingerprint reader |
| 08:35.00 | Arafangion | liable: Me, I can't even be bothered with xgl. It's obsolete anyway. |
| 08:35.14 | madman215 | damnit |
| 08:35.17 | enouf | madman215: look for errors .. |
| 08:35.34 | Arafangion | liable: But _this_ laptop has ATI cards! |
| 08:35.36 | andyshack | a microsoft fingerprint reader ? |
| 08:35.36 | liable | Arafangion: absolete in which way? |
| 08:35.42 | liable | no |
| 08:35.49 | Arafangion | liable: Like, it's been superceeded by other solutions. |
| 08:36.01 | liable | Arafangion: such as? for ati cards? |
| 08:36.03 | Arafangion | liable: Please don't prepend my nick for now - I can't read your nick if you do that :( |
| 08:36.11 | liable | ok |
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| 08:36.55 | Guerin | Arafangion: master your irc client :) |
| 08:36.59 | Arafangion | liable: Afaik, the latest thing is similar to xgl, but has a different design and is much more dependant on the driver - afaik, only works on NVidia afaik. |
| 08:36.59 | liable | you could change your irssi colours |
| 08:37.09 | Arafangion | Guerin: It's the <censored> Ubuntu Edgy linux console. |
| 08:37.22 | Arafangion | Guerin: Something's borked, and naturally #ubuntu hasn't any <censored> clue :( |
| 08:37.27 | liable | you can swear here, we dont mind |
| 08:37.30 | Guerin | Arafangion: heh |
| 08:37.46 | Arafangion | Guerin: Fresh installation too, so it's not like I'm running a non-standard configuration. Haven't even installed ATI drivers yet. |
| 08:37.56 | Arafangion | liable: I don't swear. |
| 08:38.32 | Arafangion | Damn, #ubuntu's walking someone through some sort of "new item" button in gnome. |
| 08:38.40 | liable | haha, so when you get upset you say 'that <censored> <censored> broke my <censored> box?? |
| 08:38.56 | liable | :P |
| 08:39.16 | blondie | well saying <censored> is just annoying. censorship is wrong. |
| 08:39.33 | cydork | blondie: you are fucking right! :P |
| 08:39.41 | liable | saying <censored> makes me have to go through all my swear words and have to pick one that fits. and that hurts my brain. |
| 08:39.49 | enouf | madman215: also while you're at it .. enable bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd .. make it say =Yes |
| 08:39.57 | Arafangion | liable: In real life I just take out all the <censored>'s - but there's no body language in irc, imho - and I am *frustrated*. |
| 08:40.11 | liable | fair 'nough |
| 08:40.32 | Arafangion | liable: I went through the entire time at Highschool without swearing once. |
| 08:40.39 | madman215 | enouf, what is acpi? |
| 08:40.46 | Arafangion | liable: Infact, there's a number of swear words I've never said :) |
| 08:40.48 | enouf | !acpi |
| 08:40.48 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 08:40.52 | blondie | Arafangion: just swear, there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 08:41.11 | liable | Arafangion: you should get a noble peace prize or something. thats gotta be a record :) |
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| 08:41.20 | madman215 | enouf, would that have anything to do with the monitor shutting off? |
| 08:41.37 | enouf | madman215: do something like this --> grep ACPI /var/log/messages |
| 08:41.52 | andyshack | youre going to end up like flanders if you dont let out a "cuntballs" here or there at least a few times a month |
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| 08:41.58 | madman215 | Nov 28 03:10:08 localhost kernel: ACPI: Power Resource [PFN1] (off) |
| 08:41.59 | enouf | madman215: yes .. and any of a number of other things |
| 08:42.02 | liable | Arafangion: have you tried a different kernel? |
| 08:42.05 | madman215 | does that look bad? |
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| 08:42.37 | enouf | madman215: please post your entire menu.lst to pastebin |
| 08:42.44 | andyshack | i have nfi how you can use a computer and not swear. |
| 08:43.15 | Guerin | you know |
| 08:43.25 | blondie | liable: I wonder where all the pent-up anger goes ;) |
| 08:43.29 | Guerin | some people use characters from star wars, freenode uses scifi authors |
| 08:43.31 | madman215 | enouf, menu.lst? where is that? |
| 08:43.44 | andyshack | i use rent a car companies |
| 08:43.45 | onetinsoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.53 | liable | blondie: bruised penis :) |
| 08:43.59 | enouf | madman215: you obviously haven't been pating attention |
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| 08:44.06 | enouf | paying even |
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| 08:44.41 | enouf | madman215: in /boot/grub |
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| 08:45.11 | blondie | liable: haha |
| 08:45.18 | enouf | next you'll ask me how to correctly edit and save a text file |
| 08:45.28 | liable | !irritate enouf |
| 08:45.28 | dpkg | enouf: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound !!!1 |
| 08:45.48 | enouf | thanks dpkg .. just what I needed |
| 08:45.49 | dpkg | de rien, enouf |
| 08:45.57 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:46.12 | liable | that definately needed a 'lol' at the end.. |
| 08:46.19 | Arafangi1n | liable: Looks like ubuntu's console font _is_ crap. |
| 08:46.37 | Arafangi1n | liable: consolechars -d results in: "Couldn't find a default font file." |
| 08:46.47 | liable | Arafangi1n: just install etch and spend the time to get shit working :P |
| 08:47.12 | liable | at least it should stay working and you know wtf is going on. |
| 08:47.14 | Arafangi1n | liable: I'm not sure if I can download 2 GB :( |
| 08:47.45 | Arafangi1n | liable: And no - to get everything working on this system, I'd need to get Sid, and I'll be damned if I ever use Sid again :) |
| 08:48.09 | tralala | Arafangi1n, I like your thinking |
| 08:48.38 | liable | i doubt you would really need sid |
| 08:48.41 | tralala | consider hanging around and testifying to newbs with sns |
| 08:48.49 | liable | etch has only just frozen |
| 08:49.08 | tralala | sns syndrome |
| 08:49.17 | Arafangi1n | liable: Well, Sarge didn't support my system, Etch had too many missing packages, though they are very likely rectified, but I really do need to have the latest version of quite a few programs. |
| 08:49.29 | liable | yeah, well, thats nothing to do with HW support |
| 08:50.00 | Arafangi1n | liable: Actually, the packages in question were about HW support. |
| 08:50.26 | Arafangi1n | liable: And in Edgy, I could either get the ATI graphics working, *or* the NIC. |
| 08:50.33 | liable | Arafangi1n: that remark was actually pointed at tralala |
| 08:50.51 | liable | Arafangi1n: wtf? how are they mutually inclusive? |
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| 08:51.10 | Arafangi1n | liable: Beats me. |
| 08:51.37 | liable | not logical.. |
| 08:51.43 | Mnabil | how can i mount a foulder from ftp server, or mount a foulder from a machine to another pc's |
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| 08:52.13 | Arafangi1n | liable: Plus, the (fairly common) wifi driver existed in Sarge, and Sid, but was simply not there in Etch at the time - and was remarkably difficult to backport, some kind of issues with firmware I believe. |
| 08:52.13 | tralala | actually sarge can support pretty recent hw with some backports |
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| 08:52.43 | Arafangi1n | tralala: True, but forget about getting your Palm T|X working, plus your SD card, plus your... |
| 08:52.59 | liable | Arafangi1n: at any rate, i dont think we can help with your console problem :( |
| 08:53.04 | madman215 | http://pastebin.ca/260381 |
| 08:53.06 | Arafangi1n | tralala: And before you start - realise that PalmSource has subtly changed the palmpilot protocol. |
| 08:53.11 | antum1 | I'm reading an article on setting up a mail server in Debian: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/postfix.htm but it seems to be lacking. Does anyone know of resources to help setup mail server for multiple domain environment? |
| 08:53.24 | liable | eeek |
| 08:53.48 | enouf | madman215: looking .. give a few seconds |
| 08:53.48 | Arafangi1n | liable: I'm reduced to being one of those people who re-asks #ubuntu every 45 minutes :( |
| 08:53.48 | liable | !mail howto |
| 08:53.49 | liable | bah |
| 08:53.49 | Spliffster | good morning. i have an pentium 4 with 2GB ram (x86). now i discovered that debian sarge(r4) is only detecting 1 GB of my ram. is this a kernel limitation (using the 2.6-386 kernel) ? |
| 08:53.49 | liable | !postfix howto |
| 08:53.49 | dpkg | somebody said postfix howto was see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 08:53.55 | liable | antum1: ^^\ |
| 08:54.06 | tralala | Arafangi1n, well... hw is a bitch isn't it. Especially handhelds. |
| 08:54.07 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: Recompile your kernel to use HUGEMEM. |
| 08:54.08 | liable | antum1: good luck :) |
| 08:54.30 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: The 4GB option should be sufficient for you. |
| 08:54.54 | antum1 | great links thanks very much. is there a more on topic channel i should be posting to? |
| 08:55.08 | tralala | probably a backported kernel is better than a customly compiled one |
| 08:55.08 | liable | #postfix? |
| 08:55.29 | Arafangi1n | liable: What makes this so irritating is that I actually do consider myself an expert at linux - yet Ubuntu manages to destroy everything. :( |
| 08:55.39 | antum1 | liable, well I never would've thought that existed, great! |
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| 08:56.20 | liable | Arafangi1n: thats why i hate it, its windowsesque, in the fact that you never really know what its doing. i tried it once and was baffled by how it made shit work :/ |
| 08:56.40 | enouf | madman215: for starters .. remove lines 96-101 .. they're redundant |
| 08:56.47 | Arafangi1n | liable: imho, shit should work. |
| 08:56.50 | liable | actually, hate is too strong a word, i dislike it. |
| 08:57.00 | enouf | madman215: and it's incorrect anyway |
| 08:57.13 | onetinsoldier | enouf: did you know that madman215 has X starting up on boot? you think maybe it could be an X problem with the new kernel? |
| 08:57.14 | liable | Arafangi1n: yes, but i like to know *how* or why shit is working. |
| 08:57.28 | Arafangi1n | liable: Have you ever used Fedora? Have they fixed the pathetic corruption of the rpm database yet? |
| 08:57.35 | tralala | liable, so that you can break it? ;) |
| 08:57.39 | enouf | madman215: then perhaps try and boot into (recovery mode) == single with the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 08:57.41 | Arafangi1n | tralala++ |
| 08:57.59 | enouf | onetinsoldier: could be .. or one of many other things |
| 08:58.06 | |ryan| | erg/ |
| 08:58.09 | |ryan| | fucking a |
| 08:58.17 | liable | Arafangi1n: fedora1 was my first try at linux, then switched to debian, and havent used anything (except for a day or two) since |
| 08:58.33 | Arafangi1n | liable: Gosh, you're a young one :) |
| 08:58.35 | liable | tralala: i am pretty good at frustrating myself now :) |
| 08:58.40 | liable | Arafangi1n: indeed |
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| 08:58.47 | madman215 | alright im gonna give that a shot, ill be back eventually |
| 08:58.51 | Spliffster | liable: it was SuSE for me ... i just say RPM ...... *shudder* |
| 08:58.58 | liable | Arafangi1n: i only bought my first ever computer in 2003 |
| 08:59.03 | Arafangi1n | liable: I haven't touched rpm since MDK 7 :) (And damn, that system had fundamental issues with it's core libraries - plus it had a broken C compiler!) |
| 08:59.06 | enouf | madman215: any errors in the logs? |
| 08:59.24 | onetinsoldier | enouf: yeah... 2.6.x kernels for sarge. figures it wasn't just an install and go. but it might be for some people |
| 08:59.47 | Spliffster | question: do the stock sarge x86 kernels support more than 1 GB ram ? |
| 08:59.49 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: Actually, come to think of it, imho, rpm's probably fine - Ubuntu's taught me that it's havng sane *dependencies* that is a bigger issue. |
| 08:59.53 | liable | Arafangi1n: but, i am an old fart.. only young in terms of linux usage :) |
| 08:59.56 | vaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.01 | enouf | onetinsoldier: I've done a 2.4.27-> 2.6.8 with no issues |
| 09:00.12 | liable | vaq: you're already here! :) |
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| 09:00.20 | enouf | onetinsoldier: it's not like he went from xfree86 -> Xorg or anything |
| 09:00.21 | vaq | Hello, my tcpdump keeps showing this: 0:1:c1:0:0:2 1:80:c2:0:0:1 8808 60: MACCTL PAUSE quanta 130560 - Is this some sort of hunting? |
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| 09:00.30 | onetinsoldier | enouf: cool... |
| 09:00.39 | liable | Spliffster: grep -i mem /boot/config-blah |
| 09:00.42 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: Not by default - you need to have some sort of PAE or likewise to physically address the memory, plus you have overheads from setting up the page tables, etc, so it's actually faster and better not to support more than 1GB of memory. |
| 09:00.59 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: Having said that, afaik, Etch supports 4GB of memory by default, which is quite radical for Debian. |
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| 09:01.18 | Spliffster | Arafangi1n: might be just my experience but; i never had an RPM based system where package management really worked (redhat, suse and some others i fergot). 5 years back i settled with debian/ubunt and have never slooked back (never had serious issues with package management). |
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| 09:02.16 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: Try using Ubuntu, and go through a few iterations, or even Sid for just a few months. |
| 09:02.35 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: And throw VMware into the mix, for good measure. |
| 09:02.36 | liable | sid is ok if you have any sort of dpkg foo |
| 09:02.42 | Spliffster | liable, Arafangi1n: thank you. i can't test it right now because the system is down. however does this mean i have to recompile the kernel or can i override the 1GB limit at the boot prompt ? |
| 09:02.52 | pingouin | hello, i need a little help to use sed, i got a file full of data beetween " " for instance like : "24" "42" that annoying OOo calc to work with, and i dont sucess with sed to remove all the "" from this file any idea ? |
| 09:03.10 | tralala | redhat was okay back when it was version 5 to 9. It's just that it had limited software available and had some commercial stupidities going on with the distro. |
| 09:03.11 | liable | Spliffster: if its not set (which i dont think it is) you need to recompile |
| 09:03.12 | sep | Spliffster, cant you just install sarge -smp kernels ? tehy have 4GB i belive ? |
| 09:03.16 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: You need to get the kernel to fundamentally change the way it manages memory. |
| 09:03.28 | Arafangi1n | sep: Really? |
| 09:03.34 | sep | Arafangi1n, yes |
| 09:03.38 | liable | who has sarge and can grep the highmem? |
| 09:03.50 | Spliffster | Arafangi1n: nobody recommends mixing repos. i have used ubuntu on my laptop (because of it's superior h/w support out of the box) since a year. have done 2 dist-upgrades and no fiddling at all. however ... this might just be my setup |
| 09:03.51 | sep | since i run it on 10 4GB servers i feel pretty certain |
| 09:04.03 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: I never said to mix the repo! |
| 09:04.04 | liable | sep: non smp servers? |
| 09:04.13 | sep | liable, well both smp and non smp servers |
| 09:04.18 | sep | the -smp kernel works anyway |
| 09:04.24 | liable | nice |
| 09:04.25 | enouf | Spliffster: all standard kernels should have atleast 2GB RAM support without any configuring |
| 09:04.27 | tralala | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set |
| 09:04.28 | Spliffster | sep, this is a good idea ... ty |
| 09:04.42 | sep | Spliffster, it's atlest a very easy test |
| 09:04.51 | tralala | I should upgrade to 2.6.8-3... |
| 09:04.53 | Arafangi1n | enouf: You're thinking of the memory split - that's a different issue again. |
| 09:05.03 | Spliffster | if i have to compile my own kernel ... i will switch to ubuntu server (altough i have some stability concerns) ... i really do not want to recompile a kernel every other month |
| 09:05.17 | liable | tralala: yes, gimme a shell on your box and i'll give you a reason to upgrade :) |
| 09:05.29 | tralala | Spliffster, use a kernel from backports or the -smp as sep says |
| 09:05.30 | enouf | I've heard of 2GB and 4GB and PAE and 64G support .. not a 1GB limit .. but .. hrmm maybe I'm just old and senile |
| 09:06.22 | tralala | liable, you n4s7y haX0r |
| 09:06.23 | Arafangi1n | enouf: Actually it's more like 876MB or something. |
| 09:06.23 | liable | heh |
| 09:06.23 | Spliffster | enouf: i remeber there is some sort of a limit ... my lapto ran debian 1.5 years ago ... and the 2nd GB ram was not supported out of the box |
| 09:06.29 | enouf | Spliffster: ok then .. thanks Arafangi1n too |
| 09:06.31 | Arafangi1n | enouf: By default on Sarge, you waste about 120M of memory - but it is widely regarded as not worth the overheads of PAE just for the 120M. |
| 09:06.37 | sep | Spliffster, same here, and i dont want to upgrade from backports new kernel all the time either. so i use stock sarge whenever i can |
| 09:06.55 | Hirvinen | Arafangi1n: Please cut the FUD. I've been using Ubuntu since 5.04 and the only problem's I've had have been with stuff not found in the repositories and even they've been rather straightforward (and documented in the Ubuntu wiki.) |
| 09:07.19 | Spliffster | sep: if it is a laptop i can higly recommend ubuntu .. .the h/w support is just sweet ... i am an old fart and tired of recompiling kernels :P |
| 09:07.23 | liable | Spliffster: you dont need to recompile every month, only when a security patch comes out.. |
| 09:07.33 | Hirvinen | + on several different machines, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu. |
| 09:07.37 | liable | Spliffster: ubuntu server is prolly not wise |
| 09:07.48 | Hirvinen | liable: And why not? |
| 09:07.50 | Arafangi1n | Hirvinen: Try upgrading ;) |
| 09:08.07 | tralala | Hirvinen, you've convinced me - I'm switching to ubuntu right away! |
| 09:08.15 | enouf | Arafangi1n: also note /proc/iomem also will show any reserved mobo chipset area , that's can't be accessed .. since it's reserved (but that has more to do with the 4GB limit) |
| 09:08.21 | Spliffster | liable: this is what i am thinkingtoo; ubuntos for the desktop, debian for the server ... this is why i am here to get my 2nd GB ram supported ... thanks room for all the input |
| 09:08.23 | liable | Hirvinen: call me anal, but any distro running servers based on sid is a something to be weary of. |
| 09:08.37 | Hirvinen | Arafangi1n: I have dist-upgraded them all at least once, some twice. |
| 09:08.41 | Arafangi1n | liable: Heh, one of my servers was downgraded from sid to sarge ;) |
| 09:08.52 | sep | Spliffster, naaw i rather run debian there too, since it mekes it less of a hassle to quickly test something, and also it makes upgrades to new release easier then ubuntu, besides i check hardware support _befoer_ buying :) |
| 09:08.56 | Arafangi1n | Hirvinen: To Dapper, and then to Edgy? |
| 09:08.58 | onetinsoldier | enouf: did you try and get framebuffer support working earlier? or did you let that ride? |
| 09:09.11 | liable | Arafangi1n: how did you downgrade from sid? |
| 09:09.15 | enouf | onetinsoldier: no not really .. i fell asleep :-) |
| 09:09.15 | Hirvinen | Arafangi1n: Yes. |
| 09:09.22 | Arafangi1n | Hirvinen: You are damn lucky. |
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| 09:09.28 | vaq | Hello, my tcpdump keeps showing this: 0:1:c1:0:0:2 1:80:c2:0:0:1 8808 60: MACCTL PAUSE quanta 130560 - Is this some sort of hunting? |
| 09:09.31 | onetinsoldier | enouf: hehe... i've got it working |
| 09:09.33 | blondie | is this #ubuntu or something? |
| 09:09.44 | madman215 | enouf, so that worked |
| 09:09.46 | streuner | yeah, we should more care about the /topic |
| 09:09.47 | liable | !beer blondie |
| 09:09.48 | enouf | onetinsoldier: oh yeah .. cool .. tell me mre |
| 09:09.51 | enouf | more even |
| 09:10.02 | Arafangi1n | Hirvinen: Mind you, I actually need to modify the system, and Ubuntu _breaks_ when you change something it doesn't want you to. (For example, various binary drivers) |
| 09:10.04 | Spliffster | sep: ok ok ... i am talking about modern hardware like bluetooth, ir stuff, wavelan cards etc ... many of these things can be configured in debian with a new kernel ... and it just works in ubuntu (most of the time) |
| 09:10.07 | enouf | madman215: what worked ? :-) |
| 09:10.13 | Arafangi1n | Hirvinen: And I found out hte hard way that Ubuntu's lilo support is a joke. |
| 09:10.19 | enouf | single mode? madman215 |
| 09:10.21 | onetinsoldier | madman215: yeah.. what worked? |
| 09:10.22 | streuner | Arafangi1n: discuss that in elsewhere, NOT here |
| 09:10.30 | Hirvinen | liable: Debian stable is about just as much based on Sid as are Ubuntu releases. |
| 09:10.35 | madman215 | enouf, ya |
| 09:10.36 | Spliffster | lilo ? this is so 1995! |
| 09:10.40 | liable | yeah, point, lets stfu about ubuntu |
| 09:10.47 | liable | Hirvinen: fine |
| 09:10.55 | Hirvinen | How long has Etch been in an upstream version freeze? |
| 09:10.58 | Spliffster | lets start a flam war about lilo and grub ? |
| 09:11.01 | enouf | madman215: well single mode doesn;t use X .. so perhaps an X issue .. hrm |
| 09:11.03 | Spliffster | or vim or EMACS ? |
| 09:11.05 | Spliffster | anyone ? |
| 09:11.06 | Spliffster | hehehe |
| 09:11.20 | blondie | !start an editor flamewar |
| 09:11.21 | blondie | hm |
| 09:11.26 | Spliffster | :) |
| 09:11.27 | sep | Spliffster, yes but etch have that support too. i do run testing on my desktop/laptops it's nice for learning when you are going to upgrade to etch on servers when it's released |
| 09:11.32 | enouf | madman215: well the X Display driver I should say .. I guess .. the X server is running though IINM |
| 09:11.33 | tralala | !start editor flamewar |
| 09:11.34 | Arafangi1n | Spliffster: If you decide to have a completely LVM-based system, or want ot use a different parttion format, then you /have/ to use lilo. |
| 09:11.39 | onetinsoldier | enouf: perhaps he needs to upgrade to xorg... hehe |
| 09:11.44 | streuner | Hirvinen: DD's shouldn't upload new packages to etch now, a little soft freezes right now, IIRC |
| 09:11.58 | Spliffster | sep: but then again ... etch is as stable as ubuntu (if not less) and not as polished |
| 09:12.12 | enouf | onetinsoldier: nah .. Xorg is when moving to Etch :-P .. or using proprietary drivers for 3D |
| 09:12.17 | cydork | blondie: it was just "war" ;) |
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| 09:12.25 | Spliffster | sep: it really doesn't matter ... anyone has his preferences :) |
| 09:12.28 | enouf | onetinsoldier: may need to drxx xfree86 though |
| 09:12.29 | blondie | !start an editor war |
| 09:12.29 | dpkg | "cat >" is known to cause ulcers |
| 09:12.38 | onetinsoldier | enouf: hell, let's just get him to upgrade to etch! what do you say madman215? :-> |
| 09:12.48 | madman215 | enouf, ya, when i installed debian like 2 days ago i had to configure x but it didnt do this, ubuntu did this when i tried to install it |
| 09:12.51 | sep | Spliffster, whats your point ? i could easily run ubuntu fro my grandmothers pc. but i prefer debian myself. it's just different target groups |
| 09:13.00 | sep | ubuntu is for human beings. |
| 09:13.05 | Spliffster | :) |
| 09:13.08 | sep | debian for silica based lifeforms :)) |
| 09:13.15 | onetinsoldier | enouf: maybe that's what he needs... dunno |
| 09:13.22 | Spliffster | sep: right ... i decided to become one a couple of years ago |
| 09:13.22 | enouf | onetinsoldier: maybe a -686 kernel .. ponders why ppl using Celeron 1GHz + would use a -386 kernel?? :-( |
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| 09:13.37 | cydork | sep: or for aliens,or the higher beings.. |
| 09:13.50 | SubStack | enouf: stranger things have happened |
| 09:13.51 | jngu1 | Er. Anyway to tell which version of debian is running on a machine? |
| 09:13.55 | streuner | Who want fool us with this propaganda, "some distro is easier, some distro is faster"? |
| 09:13.56 | SubStack | people use windows, for instance |
| 09:14.01 | cydork | !tell jngu1 -about version |
| 09:14.03 | enouf | madman215: boot into single mode, and log in as root .. then drxx |
| 09:14.09 | liable | jngu1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:14.09 | jngu1 | cydork: Thanks. |
| 09:14.16 | enouf | !tell madman215 about drxx |
| 09:14.18 | madman215 | what is drxx? |
| 09:14.24 | enouf | hah ^^^ |
| 09:14.25 | onetinsoldier | !drxx |
| 09:14.25 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 09:14.30 | madman215 | goot shit with the anticipation |
| 09:14.33 | Spliffster | to all: well, how stable is etch ? i am running this server as a virtual environment for my whole internal network ... running vmware on top. if this server goes down, all machines are down. this is not a playground this is my work environment i must rely on. |
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| 09:14.36 | jngu1 | Just wasn't sure where to look. |
| 09:14.43 | enouf | madman215: takes practice :-P |
| 09:14.50 | streuner | sep: do you want really tell us that you can run a photosmart HP 305 eaiser in ubuntu vs. debian? :-) |
| 09:15.04 | sep | streuner, no |
| 09:15.04 | jngu1 | Spliffster: I think Etch is going to be pushed into stable within 4 or so weeks. |
| 09:15.06 | tuv | are shell prompts like fig.2 in http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3215 at all possible with bash alone? |
| 09:15.07 | liable | stop the flamewar |
| 09:15.10 | Hirvinen | Dapper was in UFV five months before release. Ubuntu's development branch has less users than Debian testing, but I'd still say that releases should be about as stable as Debian's. With the exception of Edgy, but that was pretty much expected and accepted from the day Dapper got postponed. |
| 09:15.22 | sep | streuner, it's Spliffster that's advocating ubuntu, not me |
| 09:15.29 | streuner | hm |
| 09:15.29 | tralala | Spliffster, for any kind of production servers there's nothing else but stable. |
| 09:15.30 | cydork | stop with the ubuntu already! |
| 09:15.37 | Spliffster | streuner: i Hve a photosmart, ubuntu and debian .. i can confirm that i had to read less to get it working in ubuntu. |
| 09:15.48 | streuner | haha |
| 09:16.04 | Spliffster | sep, streuner: nei nein, i am not advocating anything ... i am just talking about my experiences |
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| 09:16.11 | Sherpya | hi, I'm searching around and found nothing... there is a way to install google toolbar in iceweasel amd64? upgrading the profile will keep the extension but new installations complain about build type (x86_64-gcc3) |
| 09:16.14 | jngu1 | hm. IceWeasel is actually quite neat. |
| 09:16.19 | streuner | If you aren't able to read and read man pages you shouldn't run linux at all (TM) :-) |
| 09:16.27 | SubStack | jngu1: indeed |
| 09:16.40 | SubStack | all the cool etch/testing/unstable people use iceweasel |
| 09:16.46 | moshii | life would be easier if the masses didn't insist on having computers... |
| 09:16.52 | liable | is it even in etch? |
| 09:16.53 | jngu1 | I think there was one firefox extension that didn't carry over. |
| 09:16.54 | Spliffster | iceweasle, the sillies move in opensource community since ever |
| 09:17.04 | liable | oh dear |
| 09:17.06 | jngu1 | not really, I think. |
| 09:17.16 | liable | now lets start on how miltant debian is... |
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| 09:17.28 | sep | liable, millitant ? :) |
| 09:17.29 | streuner | !be a man page barbie |
| 09:17.30 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
| 09:17.30 | Spliffster | well, it is one compile switch ... |
| 09:17.34 | jngu1 | I was actually just reading about ubuntu. Do they follow the DFSG? |
| 09:17.35 | moshii | Spliffster: isn't it mozilla's fault for going all xfree on us? |
| 09:17.46 | liable | sep: yeah, i was gonna correct, but i was too lazy :) |
| 09:17.50 | sep | liable, the only time debian guys stand in line is at keysigning |
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| 09:17.52 | jngu1 | er. Wasn't debian's logo not free, or the font... |
| 09:17.59 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 09:17.59 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 09:17.59 | jngu1 | not too long ago... or perhaps even today. |
| 09:18.01 | liable | heh |
| 09:18.01 | tralala | !trollfood |
| 09:18.01 | dpkg | hmm... trollfood is Substance to feed trolls; Statements worthy for flamewars; Responces to contentious remarks; Remark made in effort to get the last word with a cantankerous unemployed prepubescent bastard. |
| 09:18.10 | sep | liable, i was not refering to the typos but the content |
| 09:18.27 | SubStack | jngu1: there's a free logo for unofficial stuff |
| 09:18.31 | jngu1 | IceWeasel _looks_ good. |
| 09:18.38 | Spliffster | moshii: i don't think that adding a compile switch to let out the branding stuff should have made such high tsunami waves |
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| 09:18.46 | antum1 | I've done an apt-get update and its stuck... the line reads: 99% [8 Packages gzip 0] |
| 09:18.48 | jngu1 | SubStack: Does the official logo still use the non-free font? |
| 09:18.57 | jngu1 | Just curious... |
| 09:18.57 | antum1 | What does it mean? |
| 09:19.02 | liable | sep: i was reffering to the ensuing reason for iceweasal, which then refers back to debian being FSW nazis |
| 09:19.03 | sep | antum1, network issues. have patience |
| 09:19.12 | Spliffster | what about etch on a mission critical server ... would any one recommend it for such use ? |
| 09:19.16 | jngu1 | liable: Er. Its a slippery slope. |
| 09:19.20 | antum1 | oh, could it take several minutes? |
| 09:19.31 | moshii | Spliffster: depends what mission |
| 09:19.34 | jngu1 | Spliffster: Er. Wait on Etch for a couple of months? |
| 09:19.34 | SubStack | non-free font data in an image? |
| 09:19.36 | Spliffster | ubtim |
| 09:19.37 | tralala | Spliffster, yes if you install it on your competitors machine |
| 09:19.38 | jngu1 | *er a month |
| 09:19.41 | Spliffster | uptime i mean |
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| 09:19.51 | Spliffster | tralala: :) |
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| 09:20.00 | moshii | Spliffster: in debian stable != no crashes |
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| 09:20.03 | perlmonkey | does anyone know what might cause X to freeze on loading Metacity Window Manager? |
| 09:20.05 | sep | liable, duuh thank debian for a free linux. most others are in bed with $corperation nowadays |
| 09:20.07 | Spliffster | anough said ... so sarge r4 be it for now |
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| 09:20.17 | jngu1 | haha. |
| 09:20.21 | jngu1 | (Novell)? |
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| 09:20.24 | perlmonkey | is there a minimum amount of free space required to run X? |
| 09:20.32 | liable | sep: that was my point, i am not sure if you misread my comment. |
| 09:20.37 | moshii | Spliffster: my unstable VPS has been up for 50 days now, I installed it 51 days ago |
| 09:20.45 | Hirvinen | Spliffster: I'd use nothing on a mission critical server until after at least a few months after its release. |
| 09:20.57 | SubStack | red hat/fedora is just a rip of debian anyhow |
| 09:20.58 | Hirvinen | Spliffster: How about Dapper? |
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| 09:20.59 | jngu1 | er. |
| 09:21.04 | jngu1 | SubStack: I disagree. |
| 09:21.10 | sep | liable, just misinterferted the millitant bit. since i'v rearly seen debians in kakis and flakwests |
| 09:21.10 | jngu1 | Well, depends on what you mean. |
| 09:21.12 | sep | :) |
| 09:21.20 | Spliffster | Hirvinen: well, dapper wouldn't be that bad choice ... |
| 09:21.20 | streuner | !tell Hirvinen about topic |
| 09:21.21 | SubStack | mostly their packaging system |
| 09:21.26 | jngu1 | rip in terms of, RHEL trying to be stable. |
| 09:21.26 | jngu1 | naw. |
| 09:21.29 | jngu1 | not at all. |
| 09:21.31 | jngu1 | up2date kills. |
| 09:21.34 | enouf | perlmonkey: df -h and pastebin the output .. but unless you have a driver issue .. not really |
| 09:21.38 | jngu1 | I have to use an RHEL machine at work. I cry. |
| 09:21.40 | jngu1 | daily. |
| 09:21.43 | SpeedyG | 16 |
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| 09:21.47 | jngu1 | up2date is horrible. |
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| 09:21.48 | SubStack | they didn't understand it and reimplemented it poorly |
| 09:21.48 | jngu1 | apt sucks |
| 09:21.50 | apt | For $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 09:21.50 | perlmonkey | enouf: I have 489MB free |
| 09:21.53 | jngu1 | and yum sucks. |
| 09:21.56 | moshii | jngu1: all our servers are unpatched RHEL :'( |
| 09:21.59 | Spliffster | i am not here often, but you guys must be really mad at all the ubuntu users askin silly questions here ... or why is this mild ubuntu hate that i feel here ? |
| 09:22.00 | jngu1 | ewww. |
| 09:22.05 | tralala | !troll gong |
| 09:22.05 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 09:22.10 | jngu1 | hahaha. |
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| 09:22.18 | jngu1 | Spliffster: Cause there is #ubuntu? |
| 09:22.19 | moshii | jngu1: hmm and we have 500 or so users online, funky |
| 09:22.24 | enouf | perlmonkey: oh .. when you said "space" .. I thought you meant Disk space .. hehe .. yeah .. 498MB is tons plenty |
| 09:22.32 | jngu1 | moshii: ouch. |
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| 09:22.39 | madman215 | enouf so im on a diffrent computer, have the computter booted in single mode, and drxx isnt a command according to my computer |
| 09:22.40 | jngu1 | moshii: continously? |
| 09:22.45 | liable | sep: just to explain, someone started on the iceweasel thing, and i was cueing the ensuing furore about us being free software miltants (as per /. or any non-debian forum or mailing list) :) |
| 09:22.46 | Spliffster | jngu1: well there is also #mozilla and #xul ... both are closly related .. .cross asking might occour! |
| 09:22.47 | enouf | perlmonkey: you meant Free RAM .. hehe |
| 09:22.49 | jngu1 | moshii: rotating machines? |
| 09:23.01 | perlmonkey | enouf: cool, it's strange because X freezes on both my computers which share the same home filesystem over NFS |
| 09:23.03 | jngu1 | Spliffster: Of course. |
| 09:23.04 | enouf | madman215: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 09:23.21 | jngu1 | Spliffster: But there is an over abundance of ubuntu users asking questions here. |
| 09:23.21 | moshii | jngu1: not local users on the machines, but people connected to apache/tomcat applications |
| 09:23.24 | liable | goddam, i misspelled militant again.. :/ |
| 09:23.24 | SubStack | liable: I would emphasize the militant thing. Might make grounds in Thailand. |
| 09:23.29 | perlmonkey | enouf: was working fine until this morning so its very odd |
| 09:23.33 | madman215 | drxx command not found |
| 09:23.41 | streuner | Spliffster: trust me, the same would happen with other distros as well :-) |
| 09:23.43 | jngu1 | Spliffster: Under your logic, we should all go to ##linux |
| 09:23.48 | Spliffster | jngu1: i see, this was what i was suspecing. thanks for the answer |
| 09:23.55 | tralala | madman215: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 09:24.06 | onetinsoldier | madman215: that's because with 'single' /usr doesn't get mounted |
| 09:24.07 | enouf | perlmonkey: perhaps don't do that .. maybe you need to copy over your ~/.Xauthority file .. grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:24.10 | jngu1 | I typically answer ubuntu questions when I see ones I can answer. |
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| 09:24.15 | jngu1 | in fact, I'm usually in that channel too. |
| 09:24.17 | moshii | jngu1: The setup here would bring you to tears, most of the RHEL machines are running kernels with root exploits haha |
| 09:24.20 | onetinsoldier | madman215: type mount |
| 09:24.24 | Spliffster | jngu1: would make a nich large room :) of course not ... btu some things just are close together and it is not always sure who's responsible |
| 09:24.28 | jngu1 | moshii: Where do you work again? :) |
| 09:24.46 | Spliffster | s/nich/nice/ |
| 09:24.57 | onetinsoldier | madman215: i thiink you can mount it manually |
| 09:25.02 | jngu1 | moshii: I really do suggest that if thats the case, some serious patching happens. |
| 09:25.10 | enouf | onetinsoldier: not true .. you can easily do a drxx in single mode IIRC |
| 09:25.11 | jngu1 | especially since you're affecting 500 users :) |
| 09:25.13 | liable | madman215: as root |
| 09:25.14 | streuner | !drxx madman215 |
| 09:25.14 | dpkg | madman215: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:25.32 | jngu1 | Spliffster: Yeah. I don't think anyone gets especially mad. |
| 09:25.39 | Spliffster | thanks again for all the help .... so long ... |
| 09:25.42 | jngu1 | Adios. |
| 09:25.44 | jngu1 | er. |
| 09:25.47 | jngu1 | brb. laundry :) |
| 09:25.49 | onetinsoldier | enouf: oh? ok, maybe i don't remeber correctly. i'm still pretty rusty |
| 09:26.01 | enouf | yeah .. i told him to log in as root .. heh .. but he apparantly has done a Ctrl-D instead |
| 09:26.04 | liable | tin doesnt rust! |
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| 09:26.29 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 09:26.39 | Arafangi1n | liable++ |
| 09:26.48 | enouf | gives an oil can to the tinman |
| 09:26.49 | madman215 | no i log in as root |
| 09:27.06 | enouf | madman215: ok .. then run the command correctly |
| 09:27.09 | liable | madman215: see what dpkg told you |
| 09:27.09 | onetinsoldier | then why did the tinman need an oil can in the wizard of oz? lol |
| 09:27.19 | Arafangi1n | Apparently tin hats significantly amplify certain radio frequencies. |
| 09:27.29 | liable | onetinsoldier: lube for dorothy :) |
| 09:27.31 | madman215 | ya, i ran it manually |
| 09:27.39 | onetinsoldier | liable: rofl! |
| 09:27.48 | madman215 | still shuts the monitor off |
| 09:27.53 | enouf | madman215: what's the exact error? |
| 09:27.56 | oOGneaOo | liable: she had to keep toto in line somehow |
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| 09:28.09 | enouf | lol @ dorothy comment |
| 09:28.10 | liable | madman215: x has nothing to do with your problem |
| 09:28.21 | madman215 | there is no error, the monitor just shuts off |
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| 09:28.25 | streuner | mhall: hey dude :-) |
| 09:28.42 | chino | this command says invalid user but both the user and group are valid "chown daquino.daquino -R *" |
| 09:28.47 | madman215 | liable do you know what is? |
| 09:28.52 | mhall | streuner: 'lo |
| 09:28.58 | enouf | liable .. I beg to differ .. but whatever .. perhaps an acpi issue |
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| 09:29.09 | liable | madman215: unfortunately no. can you paste the logs from the 2.6 boot? |
| 09:29.20 | oOGneaOo | chino: what groups does daquino belong to? use this command to check: id daquino |
| 09:29.30 | liable | enouf: if its during boot, then it cant be an x problem. |
| 09:29.41 | madman215 | i can try |
| 09:29.45 | liable | enouf: x is the last thing to start |
| 09:29.49 | enouf | liable: he said that it boots singlwe mode fine |
| 09:29.53 | chino | says no user perhaps i messed up by adding a group comma seperated ? |
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| 09:30.08 | enouf | liable: it just doesn't enter runlevel 2 gracefully |
| 09:30.08 | chino | ok its wokring again |
| 09:30.09 | antum1 | I've tried apt-get install unarj and apt-get install lha but neither works... is there some other way to get them? |
| 09:30.16 | oOGneaOo | chino: how did you try to add the user in the first place? |
| 09:30.19 | earthling | my system started seg-faulting ... passes memtest and three other OS's installed work fine so it's not a memory problem. is there any way to determine what/where the segfault is comming form? |
| 09:30.26 | liable | enouf: ok, then lets try another direction |
| 09:30.26 | chino | i just need to know how to add a user to a group |
| 09:30.38 | liable | madman215: it boots single ok? |
| 09:30.42 | tralala | antum1: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:30.44 | oOGneaOo | earthling: cooling/heating problem? |
| 09:30.53 | enouf | liable: unfortunately .. he's not being completely clear either :-( |
| 09:30.55 | madman215 | yup |
| 09:31.09 | liable | madman215: ok, remove your dm |
| 09:31.10 | earthling | no... all other os's work fine... |
| 09:31.13 | oOGneaOo | chino: well when you add a user, they get their own group too |
| 09:31.18 | madman215 | my what? |
| 09:31.26 | oOGneaOo | Display Manager |
| 09:31.32 | liable | madman215: what desktop do you have? |
| 09:31.33 | chino | really i dont see no daquino in the groups |
| 09:31.43 | madman215 | how do i do that? gnome? |
| 09:31.43 | tralala | madman215: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:31.48 | oOGneaOo | chino: and obviously, no daquino user |
| 09:31.51 | earthling | run opensuse, fc4, and winxp without ANY problems so it's not heat eiither.. |
| 09:31.53 | oOGneaOo | chino: adduser |
| 09:31.55 | chino | no that works fine now |
| 09:32.08 | chino | i tried to add the group manually in passwd file i gues i produced a syntax error i fixed it |
| 09:32.13 | oOGneaOo | chino: ah ok, vigr |
| 09:32.19 | antum1 | tralala: cool! thanks |
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| 09:32.23 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 09:32.25 | oOGneaOo | chino: with vipw? |
| 09:32.30 | chino | no |
| 09:32.32 | chino | just vi |
| 09:32.37 | oOGneaOo | chino: not a good idea to edit those files manually.... |
| 09:32.37 | chino | but how do i add the user to the group ? |
| 09:32.37 | perlmonkey | enouf: strangely X starts when I run as root |
| 09:32.46 | oOGneaOo | and definately not with anything BUT vipw and vigr |
| 09:32.52 | tralala | antum1: you're welcome |
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| 09:32.58 | liable | chino: man adduser.. adduser foor group |
| 09:33.04 | liable | chino: man adduser.. adduser foo group |
| 09:33.21 | enouf | perlmonkey: that sounds like an ~/.Xauthiority issue perhaps |
| 09:33.21 | oOGneaOo | chino: video:x:44:gnea <-- like that |
| 09:33.28 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 09:33.34 | perlmonkey | what could of caused it? |
| 09:33.36 | chino | yes but i want to be part of users,daquino so i put 100,1000 |
| 09:33.42 | oOGneaOo | could HAVE? |
| 09:33.53 | enouf | !Xauthority perlmonkey |
| 09:33.58 | oOGneaOo | chino: heh, no. |
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| 09:34.14 | madman215 | ok so what should i be doing now? |
| 09:34.22 | perlmonkey | enouf: nothing comes :-/ |
| 09:34.31 | oOGneaOo | chino: it's <groupname>:<password-x>:GID:<userlist> |
| 09:34.31 | liable | madman215: did you remove gdm (or whatever dm you have?) |
| 09:34.33 | enouf | !tell perlmonkey about Xauthority |
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| 09:34.46 | perlmonkey | enouf: thanks |
| 09:34.57 | oOGneaOo | <groupname>:<password-x>:GID:<user1>,<user2>,<user3> |
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| 09:35.02 | enouf | perlmonkey: hopefully that's the issue |
| 09:35.09 | madman215 | no, i will |
| 09:35.11 | chino | ok it works thanks |
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| 09:35.15 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 09:35.25 | liable | madman215: remove it, then try booting |
| 09:35.37 | liable | madman215: not single, ordinary boot |
| 09:35.42 | jngu1 | er. |
| 09:35.43 | jngu1 | Wow. |
| 09:35.49 | perlmonkey | enouf: is that file supposed to like it contains garbage? |
| 09:35.50 | jngu1 | I just saw Ubuntu CE. |
| 09:36.00 | enouf | perlmonkey: yep |
| 09:36.00 | madman215 | ok |
| 09:36.01 | jngu1 | I thought that it was for students, I didn't realize it was a religious thing. |
| 09:36.09 | liable | jngu1: shuddup already about ubuntu |
| 09:36.28 | jngu1 | its amusing. |
| 09:36.28 | tralala | not really |
| 09:36.35 | jngu1 | mm. okay. |
| 09:36.45 | cydork | it's rediculas.. and off-topic |
| 09:37.28 | enouf | perlmonkey: man xauth for more info about those files |
| 09:37.40 | perlmonkey | enouf: thanks |
| 09:37.50 | enouf | no prob perlmonkey :-) |
| 09:38.01 | vaq | Hello, my tcpdump keeps showing this: 0:1:c1:0:0:2 1:80:c2:0:0:1 8808 60: MACCTL PAUSE quanta 130560 - Is this some sort of hunting? |
| 09:38.57 | madman215 | still shuts the monitor off |
| 09:38.58 | liable | vaq: i would google your iface controller i guess. or try a networking channel |
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| 09:39.12 | madman215 | but the very last thing i say was starting pcmcia services |
| 09:39.32 | enouf | MAC Control ?? vaq |
| 09:39.45 | enouf | madman215: is this a Laptop? |
| 09:39.50 | madman215 | yes |
| 09:39.56 | enouf | oh brother |
| 09:40.00 | liable | madman215: good. theres a nopcmcia opton, try and find it |
| 09:40.05 | enouf | !tell madman215 about laptop |
| 09:41.07 | enouf | madman215: my anticipipatory crystal ball failed me on that one .. hehe |
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| 09:41.19 | madman215 | haha |
| 09:41.27 | liable | madman215: at boot, press 'e' and edit your kernel line to include 'nopcmcia' at the end |
| 09:41.55 | enouf | then press Enter and 'b' to boot madman215 |
| 09:41.55 | madman215 | something else flashes aftert he pcmcia, but its not there long enough for me to see it |
| 09:41.57 | onetinsoldier | why would his lqaptop work fine with a 2.4.x kernel and have a problem with a newer 2.6.x kernel though? |
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| 09:43.49 | madman215 | because i have shit for luck |
| 09:43.51 | tralala | onetinsoldier, that's the question, isn't it? |
| 09:43.57 | liable | madman215: read the kernel log |
| 09:44.01 | onetinsoldier | hehe... yeah. no doubt |
| 09:44.27 | onetinsoldier | that's the question |
| 09:44.28 | enouf | onetinsoldier: I'll bet maybe the APIC, ACPI and APM enabled in your BIOS settings may play a key role here .. but also could just be the major changes , such as /sysfs and udev/hotplug stuff .. but Laptop specific sites should help home in on the issues |
| 09:44.35 | moshii | onetinsoldier: I've seen that with ACPI |
| 09:44.37 | liable | madman215: theres a shitload of kernel options, its just a matter of finding the one thats fucking your 2.6 kernel. |
| 09:45.13 | tralala | acpi is a pretty good candidate for disabling on laptops |
| 09:45.19 | moshii | onetinsoldier: on a sony vaio... 2.4 was fine, 2.6 seemed to die at boot, in fact the console just got broken.. it was still running |
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| 09:45.28 | enouf | madman215: those laptop URLs have you make/model .. go hunt :-) |
| 09:45.32 | andyshack | any idea why ubuntu will find my sas controller and debian wont ? |
| 09:45.34 | liable | i would guess (as enouf mentioned) possibly apic shits.. but |
| 09:45.35 | moshii | onetinsoldier: turn off acpi and it worked fine ;) |
| 09:45.41 | onetinsoldier | moshii: roger.. i wouldn't doubt if it's some acpi issue |
| 09:45.41 | madman215 | is vesa monitor related? |
| 09:45.48 | streuner | andyshack: /msg dpkg ask |
| 09:46.01 | moshii | madman215: vesa is a standard for video cards |
| 09:46.11 | liable | andyshack: kernel version, thats all it is (unless ubuntu include the module extra, which they do do) |
| 09:46.11 | moshii | madman215: one fits all sort of thing |
| 09:46.24 | madman215 | theres an error with way at the begining of the boot |
| 09:47.04 | liable | andyshack: google the controller chipset (from lspci) and find which kernel supports it, then come back (as i said before) |
| 09:47.07 | streuner | andyshack: what kernel do you use in debian? |
| 09:47.11 | Arafangi1n | liable: Turns out that my issue is 'Launchpad bug number 58539'. |
| 09:47.40 | liable | Arafangi1n: seeing as its a ubuntu bug, i dont care :) |
| 09:47.44 | moshii | madman215: you can probably ignore errors about vesa as log as your console works :) |
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| 09:47.50 | Arafangi1n | liable: It's just frustrating! :) |
| 09:47.54 | enouf | madman215: another boot kwernel option is acpi=off and acpi=force (the opposite) .. see this for all variables http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?a=i386 |
| 09:48.03 | liable | Arafangi1n: i can imagine |
| 09:48.07 | moshii | Arafangi1n: yeah, I hate in when people ask about ubuntu bugs in here too |
| 09:48.27 | liable | madman215: paste your kern.log |
| 09:48.28 | Arafangi1n | moshii: I usually ask distro-unspecific questions here. |
| 09:48.28 | chino | can pen be ran by someone other than root ? |
| 09:48.46 | liable | pen? |
| 09:48.58 | Arafangi1n | moshii: Changing the console font is *NOT* distro specific, for example. |
| 09:49.03 | chino | Pen is a load balancer for tcp based protocols such as http or smtp. |
| 09:49.11 | tralala | Arafangi1n, isn't this what ##linux is for? |
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| 09:49.27 | mhall | Arafangi1n: ya it is |
| 09:49.28 | Arafangi1n | tralala: ##linux is for random trolls and people who only superficially want to talk about linux :( |
| 09:49.36 | Arafangi1n | mhall: How so? |
| 09:49.40 | moshii | Arafangi1n: It could be, debian often change things or include helpers that other distros wont have |
| 09:49.49 | mhall | Arafangi1n: changing console font is in varying conf files |
| 09:50.02 | liable | Arafangi1n: cause it works for debian :P |
| 09:50.03 | Arafangi1n | mhall: Excellent, mind telling me what they are? |
| 09:50.18 | enouf | madman215: cat /var/log/kern.log is what liable wants (and maybe even kern.log.0) |
| 09:50.27 | madman215 | when im adding this stuff to the kernel, after i hit e in grub, i want the kernel and not initrd, right? |
| 09:50.35 | liable | kern.log should be fine |
| 09:50.36 | enouf | madman215: yes |
| 09:50.43 | tralala | Arafangi1n, on the other hand though #debian is for distro specific questions and that distro happens to not be ubuntu |
| 09:50.49 | liable | madman215: yes, the kernel line |
| 09:50.57 | mhall | woohoo, i'm running iceweasel |
| 09:50.59 | mhall | Arafangi1n: ok |
| 09:51.08 | liable | madman215: its ugly! |
| 09:51.13 | liable | mhall: ^^ |
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| 09:51.28 | Arafangi1n | tralala: Perhaps, but Ubuntu *is* heavily based on Debian Sid (Plus a whole slew of crap that randomly deletes my settings because they don't trust the user to make sensible choices). |
| 09:51.42 | liable | now i need someone to help me fix my firefox script |
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| 09:51.46 | enouf | madman215: so it looks similar to this --> root=/dev/hdc1 ro acpi=force lapic <-- but your optiions are diff .. everything after ro is your kernel options |
| 09:51.50 | mhall | Arafangi1n: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 09:51.58 | Grub_Now | i have a script that does && ifconfig eth1 up \ |
| 09:51.59 | Grub_Now | && ifconfig eth1 inet6 add |
| 09:52.02 | madman215 | ya |
| 09:52.09 | Grub_Now | ifconfig doesn not list any eth1 |
| 09:52.13 | Grub_Now | so i get an error |
| 09:52.14 | tralala | liable, what's your ff script supposed to do? |
| 09:52.14 | andyshack | arafan if youre still having trouble with your console colours maybe ask from some help in #solaris. those guys know most things inside out. |
| 09:52.34 | Grub_Now | i see, eth0, sit0, sit1, veth, what do i do? |
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| 09:52.37 | onetinsoldier | enouf: doesn't he want acpi=off? not acpi=force |
| 09:52.38 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 09:52.47 | Grub_Now | veth0--6 |
| 09:52.48 | liable | tralala: it makes my TP keys work. wanna have a look? its a sed var i am having problems with. |
| 09:52.57 | lkthomas | anyone config dual head display before ? I got two clone desktop now on two display |
| 09:52.59 | tralala | Arafangi1n, anything based on sid becomes outdated in no time and ubuntu is patching lots of things. |
| 09:53.03 | Arafangi1n | andyshack: Incidently I've got a few questions to ask them, but they concern themselves with Solaris/Sparc :) |
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| 09:53.12 | madman215 | it worked, i dont know which one worked but it worked |
| 09:53.27 | enouf | onetinsoldier: it was an example .. and sometimes acpi=force is correct :-) |
| 09:53.36 | onetinsoldier | enouf: k |
| 09:53.39 | tralala | liable, sure |
| 09:53.42 | mhall | Solaris is often the biggest problem on SPARCs |
| 09:53.43 | mhall | heh |
| 09:53.46 | enouf | onetinsoldier: such as for my Mobo from 2000 .. but it;'s a Desktop |
| 09:53.47 | liable | madman215: so remove one, and try again |
| 09:53.55 | Arafangi1n | tralala: In a few years, once the desktop linux world stabilizes, I'll probably revert to Debian. |
| 09:53.56 | liable | tralala: sec, i'll get links |
| 09:53.56 | onetinsoldier | enouf: roger |
| 09:54.08 | madman215 | is acpi critical? |
| 09:54.15 | enouf | madman215: cat /proc/cmdline will tell us |
| 09:54.16 | Arafangi1n | tralala: That is, once I don't have to spend 3 days figuring out how to setup and configure all sorts of stuff. |
| 09:54.18 | liable | for lappies, its usefull |
| 09:54.21 | andyshack | yer lspci tells me its still an hp smart array p600. thats from the grml console. |
| 09:54.23 | tralala | Arafangi1n, I'll take that as a personal favour... |
| 09:54.29 | onetinsoldier | enouf: guess i should be glad acpi is working ok on my desktop mobo |
| 09:54.47 | enouf | madman215: it is for Power management control abnd suspending and routing IRQs and mucjh more |
| 09:55.06 | andyshack | from grlm i cant fdisk c0d0 which im guessing is the array |
| 09:55.17 | enouf | onetinsoldier: yep .. dmesg | grep ACPI will show you some info :-) |
| 09:55.35 | andyshack | from a grml boot hda is just the ram drive yea ? |
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| 09:56.08 | madman215 | ok. it is acpi giving me the sass |
| 09:56.31 | enouf | engrish please madman215 ? |
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| 09:56.45 | onetinsoldier | enouf: roger, i've read the stuff it shows about it when booting too |
| 09:56.51 | tralala | andyshack, first of all this is not #grml and second hda is _never_ a ram drive. If you see anybody distributing a kernel that uses hdX for ram drives - *stay* *away* *from* *it* |
| 09:57.05 | madman215 | enouf read that last message you sent |
| 09:57.36 | tralala | !engrish |
| 09:57.37 | dpkg | [engrish] at http://www.engrish.com |
| 09:57.38 | enouf | onetinsoldier: acpi and apic are inexorably intertwined .. visit scpi.sourceforge.net to learn more .. google helps and en.wikipedia.org is a great resource |
| 09:57.43 | madman215 | can i reinstall gnome? and is there a way i can fix it or do i just have to leave it off? |
| 09:57.48 | enouf | lol @ tralala |
| 09:58.22 | Lakez | is there a debian log of this channel? someone replied to my question and it's not in my history buffer .. it was from hours ago |
| 09:58.23 | Guerin | my wife wrote postgrad university research on engrish |
| 09:58.35 | andyshack | dont post unhelpful comments. its not needed. |
| 09:58.35 | unlink | i'm using uswsusp... where do i add commands that need to be run on resume? |
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| 09:58.46 | unlink | i see nothing in the documentatoin about this |
| 09:58.50 | madman215 | anyone? |
| 09:58.58 | onetinsoldier | enouf: roger that, thanks. i knew they were intertwined, but i can't say i know much about how they work. i have a vague understanding of what they do, that's about it. |
| 09:59.07 | unlink | [ or in /etc ] |
| 09:59.20 | liable | tralala: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XiL7ZaghPRcJ:liable.mine.nu/debian/keys.txt+site:liable.mine.nu&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=12 (cached original, my server is down atm) http://channels.debian.net/paste/4621 (new plus error) |
| 09:59.26 | enouf | madman215: for the sake of my snaity .. please clarify this statement --> [04:54:16] <madman215> ok. it is acpi giving me the sass <-- then we can move onto your Camera issues ,.. your WEP/WPA issues etc |
| 09:59.43 | enouf | s/snaity/sanity |
| 09:59.52 | liable | tralala: my bash tardness with quoting is showing through |
| 09:59.54 | unlink | i'm using ACPI, and not APM. |
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| 09:59.59 | onetinsoldier | madman215: is your gnome gone? you got the monitor problem fixed ok now? |
| 10:00.06 | E-bola | After upgrading cron on etch, it fails to start?= |
| 10:00.11 | E-bola | anybody know what might be wrong? |
| 10:00.17 | tralala | Guerin, your family has... uhm... interesting interests |
| 10:00.28 | Guerin | tralala: you're not wrong. |
| 10:00.28 | madman215 | ya, it was acpi that shut my monitor off, i told acpi not to start and it works now |
| 10:00.50 | enouf | madman215: ok .. great .. so acpi=off did it .. thast's all .. nice |
| 10:00.55 | onetinsoldier | madman215: good! well, install your display manger.. put it back on |
| 10:00.56 | madman215 | BUT it wants to use ipv6 how can i force it to use ipv4? |
| 10:01.02 | onetinsoldier | manager* |
| 10:01.05 | liable | tralala: dont ask him about anything wearing wool! :) |
| 10:01.19 | tralala | liable, my! what happend with the 80 char lines?! |
| 10:01.29 | liable | eh? |
| 10:01.56 | liable | tralala: the sed thing was over two lines, but then it got hard :( |
| 10:01.59 | PDani | hi |
| 10:02.32 | PDani | what's the name of that command-line downloader-stuff, which can get things multithreaded? |
| 10:02.40 | liable | wget? |
| 10:02.44 | unlink | how does suspend work? |
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| 10:02.47 | unlink | i mean, resume. |
| 10:02.52 | psycodad | stupid question maybe, but im stuck: how do i restart inetd in etch ? there is no init script ... |
| 10:03.02 | unlink | like, i open up my lid, and what is waiting for that event? |
| 10:03.04 | liable | psycodad: there should be.. |
| 10:03.14 | enouf | madman215: man .. you're swimming all over the place .. camera, usb, wpa, wireless, and now even ipv6 issues .. maybe hit it with a sledgehammer |
| 10:03.16 | liable | unlink: its an acpid event |
| 10:03.21 | unlink | and how do i tell whatever is waiting for it to also run a command? |
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| 10:03.31 | psycodad | newly installed etch, i have inetd.conf but no start script...mayb i should remove and reinstall |
| 10:03.36 | liable | unlink: run from acpid, and linking to a script in /etc/acpi |
| 10:03.44 | madman215 | the only thing i need fixed now is the camera |
| 10:03.51 | madman215 | i got everything else fixed |
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| 10:04.04 | enouf | madman215: wow .. you ARE good :-) |
| 10:04.19 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: how about inetutils-inetd? |
| 10:04.50 | liable | psycodad: are you *sure* theres no script in init.d?? |
| 10:05.26 | psycodad | onetinsoldier: that wants to install the openbsd-inetd |
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| 10:05.31 | unlink | liable: looks like just needed to make a scripts called /etc/acpi/events/resume.sh |
| 10:05.52 | tralala | liable, should you perhaps start your line with /? |
| 10:05.53 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: what wants to install openbsd-inetd? |
| 10:05.54 | psycodad | liable: quite: ls -la /etc/init.d/in* |
| 10:05.55 | psycodad | ls: /etc/init.d/in*: No such file or directory |
| 10:06.00 | liable | psycodad: ignore me, i dont have one either.. |
| 10:06.15 | psycodad | onetinsoldier: its in base install afaik |
| 10:06.18 | liable | psycodad: but i *used* t have one.. |
| 10:06.26 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: ls /etc/init.d | grep inet |
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| 10:06.39 | psycodad | if i try to remove it it tells me it will remove netbase (which sounds bad(c) to me) |
| 10:06.47 | enouf | madman215: pastebin the output of dmesg | tail again .. after plugging and unplugging ... also pastebin the output of lshal | grep block.device .. if you're trying to use a PCMCIA card (CardBus) services at all .. you need pcmcia support .. liekly yenta_socket and more .. but the LAPTOP urls will (should) tell you EXACTLY .. cause it's been done before |
| 10:06.55 | liable | tralala: i have been abused in bash for escapes and fucked around with it so much i dont know whether i am coming or going |
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| 10:06.57 | tralala | psycodad, man inetd, kill -SOMESIG inetdpid |
| 10:07.09 | liable | tralala: even tried functions |
| 10:07.14 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: what happens if you try... apt-get install inetutils-inetd |
| 10:07.18 | psycodad | for the records: its /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 10:07.23 | tralala | liable, what is sed supposed to do? |
| 10:07.29 | psycodad | thx for the HHS! |
| 10:07.37 | liable | tralala: add two lines to the offendinf file |
| 10:07.49 | liable | offending |
| 10:08.03 | E-bola | After upgrading cron on etch, it fails to start? Anybody know why? |
| 10:08.05 | tralala | liable, after a given line match, right? |
| 10:08.10 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: for me it's... /etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd restart |
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| 10:08.19 | liable | tralala: yes |
| 10:08.41 | tralala | liable, well if you want to match stuff you have to use the search command: / |
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| 10:09.02 | madman215 | so from now on when i restart my computer i have to edit the grub thin again? |
| 10:09.09 | psycodad | onetinsoldier: you know, i just typed /etc/init.d/in<TAB><TAB><TAB> and nothing happens.....so i cried foul, came here and got my eyes opened by you ;-) |
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| 10:09.15 | liable | tralala: see the original version, it works. only when trying to make it a var it fails |
| 10:09.35 | enouf | madman215: edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
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| 10:09.42 | perlmonkey | enouf: it turned out to be a space issue |
| 10:09.46 | Lakez | anyone know if the channel has a log anywhere? I wanna see what someone replied to me ... I had to go and now it's not in my scrollback buffer... if anyone can search for "Lakez" and see what the reply to me was .. i would appreciate it.. |
| 10:09.48 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: ls /etc/init.d | grep inet ...that's why i put that out there a little bit ago. what do you get from that? |
| 10:09.55 | enouf | perlmonkey: what kind of space? |
| 10:10.07 | liable | tralala: i want to make the sed command a var, cause i am sick of retyping the whole thing every time they change FF (which is often) |
| 10:10.11 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: did you see me put that out there a little while back? |
| 10:10.18 | enouf | RAM or Disk space? |
| 10:10.21 | perlmonkey | enouf: insufficient disk space, I freed up another 800mb and that solved it, X started fine |
| 10:10.42 | enouf | perlmonkey: hehe .. well .. df -h would've told ya as I stated earlier :-) |
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| 10:10.55 | perlmonkey | enouf: i should point out my NFS home filesystem is on a (soft) raid |
| 10:10.56 | psycodad | onetinsoldier: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd seems to be the correct answer to my question in the default etch install, your ls / grep did open my eyes for the very obvious ;-) |
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| 10:11.09 | enouf | perlmonkey: but you mentioned RAM .. no worries .. glad you fixed it |
| 10:11.10 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: hehe... ok |
| 10:11.11 | tralala | liable, I cannot help but notice that the original version says: -e '/<ke where the new one says: -e '\<ke. Notice the difference? Perhaps you meant: -e '/\<ke? |
| 10:11.20 | perlmonkey | enouf: yeah I did do that and told you I had 489MB free eh |
| 10:11.36 | enouf | no prob |
| 10:11.37 | psycodad | onetinsoldier: cmd completion makes you blind on all three eyes sometimes ;-) |
| 10:11.46 | onetinsoldier | psycodad: lol |
| 10:11.47 | liable | tralala: lemme see |
| 10:11.55 | perlmonkey | enouf: does that sound normal cause of this prob tho to you? |
| 10:11.57 | onetinsoldier | madman215: how's it going? |
| 10:12.03 | andyshack | there is some way i can load additional drivers for my sas card during the deb install ? im looking for the ubuntu ones to see if they may work. |
| 10:12.29 | enouf | perlmonkey: I still am not understanding your "space" issue .. you have not enough HDD space? |
| 10:12.42 | perlmonkey | enouf: thats correct |
| 10:12.56 | enouf | !spacemonkey == perlmonkey |
| 10:12.59 | enouf | :-P |
| 10:13.08 | tralala | liable, I mean, I don't know about \<key but you need to have -e '/stuff if you want to match stuff |
| 10:13.14 | chemaja | okay, slight chicken-and-egg problem -- i want to use popcon stats to figure out which text-console-friendly www browser is "best", but i umm... don't yet have one. and my godbrother won't let me download too much. can someone suggest a nice-on-rendering, intuitive (ie. keybindings), ssl-enabled browser for console? |
| 10:13.22 | perlmonkey | 489mb of free disk space seems to be insufficient to run X on a raided NFS filesystem |
| 10:13.28 | enouf | perlmonkey: not having enough free disk space is BAD for everything .. period ;-) |
| 10:13.33 | liable | tralala: actually, i added those escapes in, in my desperate pissed attempt yestaerday |
| 10:13.42 | chemaja | (or, is there a non-www, textmode "interface" to popcon -- ie. i not wget ;) |
| 10:13.45 | perlmonkey | enouf: how much is enough tho ;-) |
| 10:13.48 | chemaja | s/i// |
| 10:13.50 | enouf | perlmonkey: I thought you said Free RAM |
| 10:14.01 | enouf | perlmonkey: depends on percentage |
| 10:14.07 | perlmonkey | aha |
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| 10:14.08 | chemaja | i'm thinking elinks, but only because i've heard of it |
| 10:14.31 | perlmonkey | I seriously need to start archiving some downloads |
| 10:14.35 | tralala | liable, the thing is that you didn't add them - you've replaced the search commands with them and this is why you get the error in question. |
| 10:14.42 | perlmonkey | or adding more hdd's to my raid |
| 10:14.58 | enouf | perlmonkey: rule of thumb is .. atleast 20% free is good .. 15% start worrying 10% or less you're asking for trouble |
| 10:15.09 | perlmonkey | enouf: phew I will have to remember |
| 10:15.16 | chemaja | omg w3m is installed already |
| 10:15.23 | liable | tralala: explain in tard language why i get the unterminated address regex |
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| 10:15.44 | madman215 | pastebin.ca/260412 |
| 10:15.44 | E-bola | How can i reinstall a package in debian? |
| 10:15.45 | perlmonkey | enouf: my raid is 97% full |
| 10:15.53 | enouf | perlmonkey: hah! |
| 10:15.57 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:16.14 | liable | E-bola: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 10:16.19 | E-bola | liable: thanks |
| 10:16.25 | enouf | !knoppixsmite perlmonkey |
| 10:16.27 | tralala | liable, because you need to have -e '/regexp/a' and you have -e 'regexp/a' instead |
| 10:16.31 | Dewi | liable: is that the same as remove, install? |
| 10:16.39 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:16.43 | liable | Dewi: yep |
| 10:16.45 | enouf | hehe |
| 10:17.20 | madman215 | i quit |
| 10:17.43 | onetinsoldier | madman215: could you make that an entire link please? |
| 10:17.45 | liable | tralala: ok, paste what you think should work. (please) |
| 10:17.50 | tralala | madman215, /quit |
| 10:18.01 | psycodad | liable: isnt it that reinstall doesnt remove dependencies while remove does ? (not sure at all) |
| 10:18.09 | enouf | !lose madman215 |
| 10:18.09 | dpkg | madman215: You Lose. |
| 10:18.10 | Lakez | is there a channel dedicated to etch? my machine keeps going down like a hooker but drives check out, no badblocks... a few smartctl errors reported but I dunno what is taking this thing down... etch channel anyone? |
| 10:18.12 | Dewi | tralala: hahahaha imagine if that was a real irc command |
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| 10:18.28 | psycodad | btw: the aptitude way would be: aptitude reinstall (and i was told here to use aptitude since apt-get is depreciated soon) |
| 10:18.30 | Dewi | tralala: I'm not sure why I think I'm funny |
| 10:18.48 | liable | psycodad: it just reinstalls, whereas remove, removes it. only if you use aptitude will it remove depends |
| 10:18.52 | iuso | shouldn't the kde-base from unstable automount usb sticks? |
| 10:18.59 | tralala | Dewi, me neither |
| 10:19.06 | iuso | or do i need to take the fstab etc. route |
| 10:19.08 | Dewi | tralala: I miss the days when it seemed everyone ran mirc and they'd fall for people telling them to press alt-f4 |
| 10:19.08 | psycodad | liable: thx for the clarification |
| 10:19.17 | madman215 | that is the whole link |
| 10:19.27 | madman215 | http://pastebin.ca/260412 |
| 10:19.33 | Dewi | tralala: these days you actually need to choose one of mirc's many exploits to go into a channel and make them drop like flies |
| 10:19.37 | liable | tralala: fix my script you fuxorz!!!?? |
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| 10:19.51 | tralala | liable, can you give me a sample file to test with? |
| 10:20.08 | E-bola | can anybody help me? After my last apt-get upgrade udev doesnt work. apt-get keeps erroring out trying to upgrae it |
| 10:20.13 | liable | tralala: it will work on any version of firefox you have |
| 10:20.21 | Dewi | E-bola: paste your error in a pastebin |
| 10:20.30 | liable | tralala: even sarge versions |
| 10:20.44 | E-bola | http://pastebin.ca/260416 |
| 10:20.57 | enouf | madman215: ok .. well your Camera is not beiung given a block device address .. so .. somethings still amuck |
| 10:21.03 | tralala | liable, uhm... I'm on winxp (don't tell anybody) |
| 10:21.05 | E-bola | i dont knwo what happended, cron also fails to start |
| 10:21.09 | liable | tralala: or, i should say, it*wont* work on any version of firefox :) |
| 10:21.25 | Dewi | E-bola: oh. that's not very informative. Error code 2! hmmm |
| 10:21.26 | tralala | hehe, okay let me check it |
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| 10:21.42 | enouf | madman215: wanna pastebin the dmesg | tail after plugging/unplugging please? |
| 10:21.52 | Dewi | E-bola: are you using sid or etch? |
| 10:21.52 | E-bola | Dewi: any idea what i can try? |
| 10:21.56 | E-bola | dewi: etch |
| 10:21.58 | chemaja | i got a "not responding" for my firefox2 process when loading that cool gnome svg wallpaper in gnome planet recently. that was on xp. xp smokes ass. |
| 10:21.59 | liable | tralala: i doubt it would work on windows version though. (are you serious) |
| 10:22.04 | liable | ? |
| 10:22.23 | tralala | liable, I'm afraid I am |
| 10:22.35 | Dewi | E-bola: have a look around in /var/log and see if you can find more information about what's failing between lines 1 and 2 |
| 10:22.37 | enouf | madman215: also pastebin the entire 'lsmod' output |
| 10:22.38 | liable | tralala: no ssh access to a deb box? |
| 10:22.58 | tralala | liable, only a server without firefox |
| 10:23.11 | liable | tralala: FF doesnt need x |
| 10:23.12 | E-bola | dewi: in what file? |
| 10:23.22 | enouf | madman215: do ANY usb devices work at all? <<-- important |
| 10:23.55 | enouf | madman215: are you accessing USB through PC-Card/CardBus services? |
| 10:23.58 | madman215 | the camera is the only one i have |
| 10:24.18 | tralala | liable, can't you just paste this file? |
| 10:24.21 | andyshack | whats a good debian forum for help ? |
| 10:24.25 | enouf | madman215: have you ever plugged in anything else that worked? |
| 10:24.25 | liable | tralala: sure |
| 10:24.28 | liable | tralala: sec |
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| 10:24.50 | madman215 | in suse the camera worked |
| 10:24.56 | Dewi | E-bola: I don't know; it totally depends on what's failing |
| 10:25.11 | enouf | madman215: oh .. yeah right .. which kernel was that btw? |
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| 10:25.13 | Dewi | E-bola: to be honest I can never keep track of exactly what /var/log's structure is |
| 10:25.27 | Dewi | E-bola: you can always try searching it: grep -ir 'udev' /var/log |
| 10:25.29 | madman215 | i dont know it was suse 10.1 |
| 10:25.30 | E-bola | dewi: well i got no idea whats failing |
| 10:25.34 | E-bola | or how to find out :( |
| 10:25.36 | enouf | madman215: are you accessing USB through PC-Card/CardBus services? <-- again important! |
| 10:25.42 | E-bola | i can just see that apt fails tos etup udev |
| 10:25.50 | Dewi | E-bola: yes you do: 'dpkg --configure udev' is failing |
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| 10:25.58 | madman215 | i dont know |
| 10:26.09 | Dewi | E-bola: you just don't know anything more detailed :) |
| 10:26.15 | enouf | madman215: do you have a PCMCIA card inserted? |
| 10:26.34 | E-bola | well thats the problem :) the problem is i dont knwo how to find the cause for udev failing |
| 10:26.54 | madman215 | yes. my wireless card |
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| 10:27.16 | enouf | madman215: trade that in and go buy a Desktop .. heh |
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| 10:27.30 | enouf | madman215: and that's all? |
| 10:27.31 | Dewi | E-bola: well since it's a silent failure during package processing, what you're seeing probably falls under the defintion of a bug. If you can't find anything in your logs then you might want to check the debian bug database for people with similar problems |
| 10:27.35 | madman215 | anythin other than lsmod and dmesg for this pastebin? |
| 10:27.52 | enouf | madman215: not just yet |
| 10:28.04 | Dewi | E-bola: that and lurk here until you meet somebody else with the problem |
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| 10:28.28 | enouf | madman215: what's the Make/Model of your laptop? |
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| 10:29.00 | madman215 | http://pastebin.ca/260420 |
| 10:29.08 | E-bola | hmm |
| 10:29.20 | E-bola | im trying to remove udev and initramtools and my kernel |
| 10:29.23 | E-bola | is that very stupid? |
| 10:29.29 | chemaja | i love how the first help i find for setting up my framebuffer is for gentoo -- aah gentoo, good for at least documentation ;) |
| 10:29.29 | liable | tralala: i cant cat and paste it (too much) and p.d.o is being a wanker for the files :( |
| 10:29.35 | madman215 | *sigh* gateway solo 1450 |
| 10:29.37 | E-bola | only thing i can think of to fix it |
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| 10:30.04 | tralala | liable, nevermind, let me try a few things |
| 10:30.13 | sobersabre | hi, I have a sarge SSH server, and an ubuntu/suse ssh client gets 'connection closed' |
| 10:30.32 | enouf | madman215: http://www.speakeasy.org/~lbijlsma/gateway_1450/ |
| 10:30.52 | sobersabre | users are NIS users. |
| 10:30.56 | liable | tralala: i can give the meat though, if it helps |
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| 10:31.04 | sobersabre | ssh server uses PAM. ( UsePAM yes ) |
| 10:31.22 | sobersabre | if I login as root, and su - <-- it works fine |
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| 10:31.42 | tralala | liable, I think I'm getting it - it looks like a quoting problem |
| 10:31.43 | sobersabre | id, groups ypcat display everything correctly. |
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| 10:32.14 | sobersabre | the server in DEBUG mode shows: |
| 10:32.29 | yess | Hello. How can I install php PEAR packages in debiand? I mean a repository with this packages in .deb. |
| 10:32.34 | sobersabre | Client protocol version 2.0; client software version OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-5ubuntu1 |
| 10:32.41 | liable | tralala: ya, thats what i think, its just the making it a var is fucking it. as a simple sed cmd, it works |
| 10:33.00 | madman215 | im going to bed, thanks for the help everyone |
| 10:33.03 | liable | tralala: someone mentioned double quoting, but i am too thick to work it out |
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| 10:33.07 | tralala | liable, bash3? |
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| 10:33.16 | GooE | i changed the From: header in mutt but still sendmails changes back to a different From: header , i added the user running mutt to the file trusted-users and restarted sendmail |
| 10:33.16 | psycodad | anybody how i get colour syntax in vim ? |
| 10:33.23 | yess | psycodad: :syn on |
| 10:33.26 | liable | tralala: ya |
| 10:33.33 | onetinsoldier | madman215: goodnight. time for bed for me too |
| 10:33.37 | liable | tralala: makes a difference? |
| 10:33.41 | psycodad | yess: sorry, ? |
| 10:33.54 | Dewi | psycodad: that's the command to enable syntax highlighting |
| 10:34.17 | onetinsoldier | goodnight enouf and all |
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| 10:34.25 | yess | psycodad: In normal mode enter command :syntax on and press enter. |
| 10:34.30 | enouf | onetinsoldier: 'nite |
| 10:34.35 | onetinsoldier | take care |
| 10:34.39 | onetinsoldier | :) |
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| 10:34.52 | tralala | liable, yes, ( doesn't work in bash2 |
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| 10:35.34 | psycodad | yess, Dewi : thx, can i put that somehwere in an rc file to start vi in this mode everytime ? |
| 10:35.34 | nouri | Which installation do I pick for a two dual-core AMD Opteron 275 Processors? |
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| 10:36.02 | Dewi | psycodad: you mean vim. And yes, I have a line "syn on" in my ~/.vimrc file |
| 10:36.04 | roxy_ | I am using svn and viewcvs on stable. I get exactly this pb: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/05/msg03517.html on 2 repositories, and not on 2 others. All repositories are using the same options. Where does the pb comes from ? |
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| 10:36.41 | liable | tralala: i am getting drunk, will try again in the morrow |
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| 10:36.55 | psycodad | Dewi: thx, but i get: E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: syn on |
| 10:37.13 | psycodad | do i need the full vim to support syntax colouring ? |
| 10:37.22 | Dewi | psycodad: probably |
| 10:37.30 | Dewi | psycodad: use real vim, and turn off vi compatibility mode |
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| 10:38.37 | liable | tralala: the ( thing not working in older bashes makes it even more of a pita :( |
| 10:39.01 | liable | tralala: i want it to work for sarge and up |
| 10:39.20 | psycodad | Dewi: is that the package named just "vim" ? i currently have vim-tiny installed (default) and if i try to install vim-full i get several dozens of packages that want to be installed (looks like a working X) |
| 10:39.27 | tralala | liable, give me a couple of minutes - I think I'm going to make it |
| 10:40.00 | Dewi | psycodad: I think vim is a metapackage that installs the GUI version as well. Note that even the text version of vim still has some X stuff compiled in |
| 10:40.52 | psycodad | i just work on an old cobalt system which has coloured vim and i found it very comfortable and wanted to have that too on the server i am transferring the cobalts stuff to |
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| 10:41.58 | psycodad | Dewi: YOU ROCK, aptitude install vim and the switch in .vimrc did it. Thx. |
| 10:42.20 | nouri | ia64 or x86 for my AMD Opteron dual core? |
| 10:42.24 | nouri | Anyone can help? |
| 10:42.46 | liable | ia64 is intel 64 |
| 10:42.51 | psycodad | nouri: x86 |
| 10:42.56 | liable | you want amd64 |
| 10:43.06 | psycodad | or amd64, but ia64 wont work |
| 10:43.27 | nouri | thanks much |
| 10:43.53 | E-bola | shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 10:43.56 | E-bola | what does this mean? |
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| 10:45.02 | liable | E-bola: what are you doing? forst you want to remove kernels and udev.. now what? |
| 10:45.09 | Dewi | psycodad: vim-full is the package I use |
| 10:45.21 | E-bola | liable: well i fixed udev and kernel |
| 10:45.25 | diilbert | If I wanted to upgrade to the latest from sarge, can just change my repositories and do an "upgrade" |
| 10:45.29 | E-bola | so wanted to do a reboot, to make sure everything is ok |
| 10:45.37 | E-bola | and trying to halt or reboot gives me that error |
| 10:45.39 | E-bola | do you know what it means? |
| 10:45.43 | enouf | nouri: just install etch rc1 for using all 32bit apps like flash/java and shit .. or /msg dpkg amd64 and install the k8 SMP kernels |
| 10:45.44 | liable | no |
| 10:45.45 | psycodad | Dewi: for a headless server vim alone is enough to get syntax colour |
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| 10:46.13 | enouf | !amd64 |
| 10:46.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 10:46.43 | Dewi | psycodad: It looks like vim-full depends on X client libs |
| 10:46.52 | Dewi | psycodad: which is fair enough; I like the way it binds to my windows clipboard |
| 10:47.10 | Dewi | psycodad: I don't know if vim tiny supports syntax or not |
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| 10:47.56 | Dewi | psycodad: I don't think it does |
| 10:48.09 | Dewi | psycodad: a few X client libraries don't really hurt |
| 10:48.20 | Dewi | psycodad: it doesn't install an X *server* |
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| 10:49.27 | unlink | how do i know if my sound card supports midi? |
| 10:49.30 | liable | food time |
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| 10:49.54 | iuso | are there any good guesses about when the next rc (or final version) of etch will be released? |
| 10:50.44 | enouf | has a meal with liable |
| 10:51.01 | enouf | !wwer |
| 10:51.01 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
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| 10:52.19 | cydork | !etch pool 1 |
| 10:52.19 | dpkg | methinks etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or stew: 2007-01-15 |
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| 10:52.45 | cydork | hey let's have another pool :P |
| 10:53.59 | chemaja | !siyh |
| 10:53.59 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is if you want to know how to help debian go to http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 10:54.24 | Dewi | chemaja: it means "soon if you help" |
| 10:54.25 | chemaja | damn my lack of pointer device |
| 10:54.32 | chemaja | Dewi: :O |
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| 10:54.44 | Dewi | chemaja: and WIR is "when it's ready" |
| 10:54.53 | chemaja | Dewi: i knew that one :) |
| 10:54.54 | Dewi | chemaja: actually there is more up to date info than that factoid has |
| 10:54.57 | Arafangio1 | liable: Found the cause of the font bug I had. |
| 10:55.04 | chemaja | s/soon/sooner ? |
| 10:55.10 | Arafangio1 | liable: And the fix, but it's just *frustrating*! |
| 10:55.11 | chemaja | oh maybe not |
| 10:55.56 | Dewi | chemaja: well, at the moment it's looking like a month and a bit. But they still hope for end of december |
| 10:55.56 | Dewi | chemaja: from memory anyway |
| 10:56.16 | chemaja | howcome vlock and lockvc suck such balls? one doesn't lock the whole terminal (ie. only one plex of a terminal multiplexor) and the other (lockvc) doesnt even work, it complains that my console isnt graphics capable (?) |
| 10:56.36 | chemaja | Dewi: i wasnt asking about release date! |
| 10:56.44 | chemaja | Dewi: just expanding the acronym |
| 10:56.51 | Dewi | chemaja: oh :) |
| 10:57.03 | chemaja | Dewi: i read pdo, i'm hip, i'm cool, i'm knowledgeable ;-) |
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| 10:57.40 | chemaja | Dewi: besides, i'm already running etch :-P |
| 10:58.22 | Dewi | chemaja: it's hip to run etch |
| 10:58.37 | Dewi | chemaja: I hear it's all the rage with the young people |
| 10:59.10 | chemaja | Dewi: is 25 young? |
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| 10:59.29 | chemaja | Dewi: i keep installing it at my friends houses because i get bored of their xp installs |
| 11:00.12 | optraz1 | hello, how do i clear all the jobs in cups ? |
| 11:00.15 | chemaja | goddamnit, how do you close a "dialog" on w3c ? |
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| 11:01.05 | chemaja | im in console hell because my godbrother is a tightass with downloads and i cant install x-window-system(-core) |
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| 11:01.14 | Chandu | hi |
| 11:01.20 | Chandu | Can anybody help on lvm |
| 11:01.28 | chemaja | Chandu: sorry, i'm only on weed |
| 11:01.30 | Chandu | I have one big problem facing now |
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| 11:01.49 | Chandu | I have two harddisks connected to my server |
| 11:01.54 | ChrisW | anyone here use the debian distro of awstats? trying to figure out how to wire it into apache... |
| 11:02.02 | chemaja | Chandu: dont punctuate with ENTER. it's annoying :D |
| 11:02.02 | Chandu | In first haddisk os was there |
| 11:02.25 | GooE | anyone here know if there is an equivalent of RHCE for Debian ? |
| 11:02.27 | Chandu | chemaja, ok |
| 11:02.33 | tralala | liable, I think this is what you want: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rpHknB80.html |
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| 11:02.47 | chemaja | Chandu: by the way, there's probably a #debian-* channel in your native language |
| 11:02.50 | Dewi | ChrisW: heh. normally I'm all for packaging things up, but when it comes to web software... |
| 11:03.12 | Dewi | ChrisW: It always seems to be configured odd ways |
| 11:03.15 | chemaja | GooE: good question, but i think the answer is "knowing how to fix stuff, and being able to demonstrate/prove it" |
| 11:03.28 | chemaja | brb 10min |
| 11:03.37 | GooE | chemaja, tell that to the guy interviewing you |
| 11:03.42 | Dewi | ChrisW: especially when it's like... I want to host 3 blogs and the package just lets me have one |
| 11:03.47 | ChrisW | Dewi: tell me about it, I'm moving from an older server with a source install of awstats, and I'm trying to marry the two up :-S |
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| 11:04.11 | Dewi | ChrisW: and they always assume things like "you want your awstats in a directory off your main site right?" |
| 11:04.14 | ChrisW | hence my query as to whether anyone has made awstats (debian distro) work with debian distro apache |
| 11:04.52 | ChrisW | well no, ti doesn't seem to have done any config really |
| 11:05.01 | Dewi | ChrisW: I've never tried that particular one. Sorry. :) However I have set up awstats from the distribution and it wasn't too bad |
| 11:05.16 | ChrisW | you mean from the awstats source distro? |
| 11:05.18 | Dewi | ChrisW: often they put things in, like, /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 11:05.21 | riot | hmm. Whats wrong if update-grub doesn't include any kernels? I have them on an extra partition in /boot |
| 11:05.25 | ChrisW | nah, not in thiscase |
| 11:05.37 | Dewi | ChrisW: I mean apache2 even |
| 11:06.10 | ChrisW | yeah, I know, still not there though ;-) |
| 11:06.11 | Dewi | ChrisW: look in /usr/share/doc/awstats or just list the files in the package: dpkg -L awstats |
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| 11:07.10 | GoAuLd | how do i put the game tremulous in window mode? |
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| 11:09.16 | kasha | Hi, i am using debian sarge with DDNS(Bind 9) and DHCP3 Daemon - all works fine, but when i create static host in dhcpd.conf their hostname stop registers in DNS ? |
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| 11:10.41 | petemc | kasha: "stop registers" ? |
| 11:10.53 | Chandu | cydork, hi |
| 11:11.10 | Chandu | cydork, I am facing one big problem can u help me |
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| 11:12.55 | kasha | petemc, they couldn't resolves by their names |
| 11:13.25 | kasha | but another host , not in static - could |
| 11:14.19 | kasha | i'm use host b101-pr { hardware ethernet 00:17:31:CD:FE:8B; fixed-address 192.168.2.1; } for describe hosts |
| 11:15.27 | petemc | kasha: thats not a 'real' dns name, you need to create entrys in a zone file |
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| 11:19.10 | kasha | petemc, this is my dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.com/834477 - i can't ping by names non static hosts only. |
| 11:19.40 | kasha | with dynamic hosts DDNS work fine |
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| 11:20.26 | liable | yay, a vindaloo thats hot! |
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| 11:20.35 | petemc | kasha: hows does the dynamic dns work? when does it add entry? |
| 11:20.37 | petemc | s |
| 11:20.48 | liable | tralala: thank you much, gimme 15 and i'll get back |
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| 11:22.13 | tralala | liable: you're welcome |
| 11:22.14 | kasha | petemc, i think by netbios-name from client |
| 11:22.17 | tralala | let me know how it works |
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| 11:22.54 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 11:22.57 | liable | will do, just eating dinnah forst |
| 11:23.01 | kasha | and revers dns by ip |
| 11:23.02 | liable | first even |
| 11:23.05 | perlmonkey | what's the best app for burning CDs on a rewriter? |
| 11:23.13 | Talnakh__ | hi guys, someone remind me please the name of this monitoring utility used for Linux? |
| 11:23.20 | petemc | kasha: i use my own script to map mac addresses to ips and create dns entries, i have no idea what you do |
| 11:23.38 | petemc | Talnakh__: theres more than one - nagios? monit? |
| 11:23.42 | kasha | petemc, thx |
| 11:23.49 | Talnakh__ | yes, nagios, thanks. |
| 11:24.02 | zignig | Talnakh__: 'mon' is good as well. |
| 11:24.30 | perlmonkey | why don't my kde apps run anymore under Gnome? |
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| 11:26.12 | perlmonkey | many apps seem to start but nothing loads |
| 11:26.59 | zignig | perlmonkey: try starting them in a terminal , so you can see the errors ( if any ) |
| 11:27.13 | perlmonkey | zignig: ok good idea |
| 11:27.15 | zignig | perlmonkey: you may not have all the kde libs installed. |
| 11:27.22 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 11:28.04 | zignig | perlmonkey: as for the cd-rewrite software gnome-baker has worked flawlessly for me. |
| 11:28.19 | perlmonkey | coool |
| 11:28.34 | perlmonkey | I will use that then |
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| 11:29.26 | liable | tralala: same annoying error. :( sed: -e expression #1, char 5: unterminated address regex |
| 11:29.51 | tralala | liable, did you use the var from my paste? |
| 11:30.19 | liable | tralala: no. i will do so now. (i just changed it from looking) |
| 11:30.49 | liable | but its the same stupid error |
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| 11:32.17 | tralala | liable, you also want to use eval "$SED_CMD" |
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| 11:32.56 | tralala | e.g. eval "$SED_CMD $FILE" > $FILE.new; mv $FILE.new $FILE |
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| 11:33.43 | tralala | btw if you target gnu set only you can have in-place editing with -i |
| 11:33.56 | tralala | gnu _sed_ |
| 11:34.56 | liable | ok, i'll finish dinner (now i have got it fucking wrong) then have a look |
| 11:35.49 | tralala | okay |
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| 11:36.11 | liable | tralala: i dont quite get the last line though. the echo line |
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| 11:37.12 | perlmonkey | zignig: gnome-baker doesnt seem to be available as a debian package anymore? |
| 11:37.36 | Chandu | Please can anyone help me .. It is very critical |
| 11:37.49 | tralala | Chandu: /msg dpkg ask |
| 11:38.05 | perlmonkey | critical |
| 11:38.13 | Chandu | yup |
| 11:38.22 | Chandu | I have a sever with 2 harddisks |
| 11:38.26 | perlmonkey | why dont you just ask |
| 11:38.37 | Chandu | In 1st os was thr and in 2nd whole our project data was thr |
| 11:39.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:39.03 | Chandu | os got corrupted so I reinstalled os in first hard disk |
| 11:39.13 | perlmonkey | what was the os? |
| 11:39.14 | Chandu | 2nd hardisk was lvm partitioned .. |
| 11:39.19 | Chandu | It debian |
| 11:39.32 | Arafangio1 | Chandu: Consider two situations: Situation A: You say you have a problem, and you conversing with one person only, or Situation B: You say you have a problem, and you just say it out aloud in a 698-strong group of random people. |
| 11:39.36 | Chandu | But after reinstalling Iam unable to mount 2nd harddisk ..it is showing only PV |
| 11:40.02 | Arafangio1 | Chandu: Do you think many people in Situation B will ask you what the problem is, or will they just continue doing their shopping, or whatever else it is they do? |
| 11:40.06 | Chandu | Arafangio1, Sorry ..please anyone help me , give me the solution |
| 11:40.20 | tralala | Chandu, lvdisplay doesn't see the LVs? |
| 11:40.30 | Chandu | No its not shoing anything |
| 11:40.39 | tralala | have you activated the VGs? |
| 11:40.51 | tralala | man vgchange |
| 11:41.07 | Chandu | When I created LVM , I reated PV , VG and LV and uploaded all my data there |
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| 11:41.24 | Chandu | But after reinstalling os .. LV and VG are not there |
| 11:41.37 | tralala | Chandu, VGs are to be activated upon every boot. Read the manual. |
| 11:41.41 | Chandu | And Filesystem ID of /dev/sdb1 is showing 8e i.e lvm |
| 11:41.43 | Arafangio1 | Chandu: Be aware that there are two versions of LVM, and I'm not sure if they're compatible. |
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| 11:42.35 | Chandu | on every boot ok ..but has happened If I formated first harddisk during installation |
| 11:42.56 | Chandu | whether LV and VG are deleted as those were created on first harddisk |
| 11:43.10 | Chandu | Iam tensed whether my data will be there or lost |
| 11:43.30 | Arafangio1 | Chandu: So, hda formed part of the LVM system? |
| 11:43.39 | Chandu | yu |
| 11:43.40 | Chandu | yup |
| 11:43.45 | tralala | Chandu, if your LVM was spread around both disks then you might have data loss. |
| 11:43.52 | Chandu | as os was in 1st disk ..I used commands there and created |
| 11:44.03 | Chandu | No no lvm was only one disk 2nd |
| 11:44.13 | tralala | Chandu, does vgdisplay show anything? |
| 11:44.21 | Chandu | But the node VG lvm-boss and LV lvm0 was in first disk /dev |
| 11:44.28 | Chandu | No it shows nothing |
| 11:44.47 | Chandu | When I creted lvm VG name was "lvm-boss" and lv was "lvm0" |
| 11:45.09 | Chandu | but now those two are not there in /dev of 1st disk ..as it is formated |
| 11:45.29 | Arafangio1 | G'night all. (Oh, tralala, it turns out that the font issue I had earlier was related to some wierd splashscreen corrupting my video memory) |
| 11:46.15 | tralala | Arafangio1, I see. Good night. |
| 11:47.01 | tralala | Chandu, try vgscan |
| 11:47.30 | Chandu | ok, i will try ..but taht command is not present in my new os |
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| 11:47.50 | aar0n | 0ò€¦‚ò˜‚’ò€¦‚䂘)ò’ ’‰)𨤈ñ‚‚˜)ñ‚‚˜Â™ò‘¤¹ |
| 11:47.57 | aar0n | uh.. |
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| 11:48.28 | Suprano | J |
| 11:48.29 | zignig | aar0n: you've got you keybord set in aramaic mode. :P |
| 11:48.41 | aar0n | na |
| 11:48.45 | aar0n | :P |
| 11:48.47 | zignig | aar0n: or is that sanskrit ? |
| 11:48.48 | aar0n | I wish |
| 11:49.07 | dererk[work] | lol |
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| 11:49.21 | aar0n | hmm |
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| 11:51.11 | aar0n | 0ò€¦‚ò˜‚’ò€¦‚䂘)ò’ ’‰)𨤈ñ‚‚˜)ñ‚‚˜Â™ò‘¤¹ |
| 11:51.13 | aar0n | damn copy paste |
| 11:51.15 | aar0n | i am outta here |
| 11:51.18 | aar0n | 0ò€¦‚ò˜‚’ò€¦‚䂘)ò’ ’‰)𨤈ñ‚‚˜)ñ‚‚˜Â™ò‘¤¹ |
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| 11:51.38 | ods15 | hi - i'm trying to set up my linux to route a port to a different ip and port, i'm using this command: |
| 11:51.42 | ods15 | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 6060 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.85:22 |
| 11:51.47 | ods15 | but when i try to connect to the box using port 6060, i get nothing... |
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| 11:51.52 | ods15 | am i missing some setting i need to do before hand? |
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| 11:56.38 | Chandu | if filessytem id is 8e .. will VG and LV will be present .. or only PV will be there |
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| 11:57.30 | tralala | Chandu, your data should be there and I think vgscan will find your VGs |
| 11:58.17 | Chandu | trajan, I gave vgscan , the VG I created is present |
| 11:58.38 | Chandu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.41 | tralala | so what's the problem now? |
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| 11:58.51 | Chandu | Now how do I activate that and recover |
| 11:59.14 | Chandu | Iam not able to mount 2nd disk ..as its filesystem id is 8e .. |
| 11:59.33 | Chandu | when i give mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ it is showing filesystem not present |
| 11:59.43 | tralala | of course, not |
| 11:59.59 | tralala | now proceed with lvscan and vgchange |
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| 12:00.07 | Chandu | even in /dev/ there is no node by name of the VG and LV .. |
| 12:00.13 | Chandu | ok |
| 12:01.00 | dancek | I need to preprocess an assembler-like language: loops { } need to be rewritten with goto and labels for goto need to be replaced with line numbers. Any idea on what's the best tool for the job? |
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| 12:01.21 | fulldisclosure | Hi. |
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| 12:02.37 | gt2 | What is the name of the package that contains the info documentation of the GNU C library? libc6-doc seems no longer available. |
| 12:02.50 | Chandu | tralala, I got it ..thank you |
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| 12:02.57 | tralala | Chandu: you're welcome |
| 12:02.58 | Chandu | tralala, I was very much tensed |
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| 12:09.12 | kombi | someone, how do I get grep to actually find a regular expression: grep ^foo$ * does not find foo, nor does grep "^foo$", what is the trick? |
| 12:09.41 | gt2 | Found it: glibc-doc-reference |
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| 12:11.50 | kombi | never mind, I got it, ^ is \< and $ is \> (how was I supposed to know..;) |
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| 12:15.19 | cyzie | hello is there a way to clear up job in cups ? |
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| 12:19.08 | _THE_MAXX_ | hi, i am running debian amd64 |
| 12:19.37 | _THE_MAXX_ | I have upgraded (most) of gnome to 2.16 and am having a few problems |
| 12:19.38 | messju | hi, my question is not debian specific, sorry if it is too far off-topic: why is 'etc' (the dir in /) called 'etc'? |
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| 12:20.16 | messju | nm. found it. "editable text configuration" |
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| 12:20.33 | _THE_MAXX_ | when i launch "gedit" it gives me several warnings about "WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder" |
| 12:20.41 | weedar | to upgrade to sid from etch all I need to do is change all references in sources.list and to an update followed by a dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:21.13 | _THE_MAXX_ | I looked to find the package with those files but to no avail. Does anyone know? |
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| 12:21.36 | _THE_MAXX_ | BTW: gedit then crashes |
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| 12:23.31 | _THE_MAXX_ | weedar: that is correct, except you don't neet to "change" references in your sources.list, merley add the new ones for etch |
| 12:24.17 | weedar | _THE_MAXX_: ah, I see. Also, I meant upgrade to sid from etch, of course :) |
| 12:24.28 | _THE_MAXX_ | anyone running gnome 2.16 in debian here? |
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| 12:25.29 | _THE_MAXX_ | you will probably end up with the same problem as me then... |
| 12:25.55 | cydork | weedar: you should not if you have to ask |
| 12:25.58 | jonathon22 | "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
| 12:25.59 | jonathon22 | lol |
| 12:26.02 | _THE_MAXX_ | since gedit does not work I use nedit. |
| 12:26.29 | cydork | _THE_MAXX_: gnome 2.16 is not in debian yet.. so where did you get it from? |
| 12:26.32 | weedar | cydork: what do you mean? |
| 12:26.34 | _THE_MAXX_ | any other good GUI editors? |
| 12:26.36 | cydork | _THE_MAXX_: experimental. |
| 12:26.42 | cydork | ? |
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| 12:26.48 | _THE_MAXX_ | yep |
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| 12:27.16 | _THE_MAXX_ | even if in experimental, maybe someone solved this particular problem |
| 12:27.29 | cydork | weedar: i mean that if you dont know how to upgrade to unstable you should not. there is a reason why it's call unstable :) |
| 12:27.35 | _THE_MAXX_ | it works mostly |
| 12:28.16 | cydork | _THE_MAXX_: i doubt how many people run experimental.. |
| 12:28.26 | jonathon22 | Hi all, I have been using Raid 5 with my debian sarge amd4400+ box to great success, I've recently bought some new parts for some new machines, and made some cutbacks as of the reliability of the raid im using, I decided to give with mirror, just reliability. Although I did look I couldnt understand why a mirror array - once synced with the other disk couldnt be used for multiread operations. I'm a bit new to raid I guess. |
| 12:28.27 | GooE | uname prints the averege of running processes ? , how come when i am doing some heavy HD activity this number rises ? it's only one process doing the copy to the HD no? |
| 12:28.29 | _THE_MAXX_ | I usually run testing and cherry-pick stuff from unstabl or experimental |
| 12:28.33 | jonathon22 | Is there anyway to raid 0 + 1 with 2 disks? :> |
| 12:28.38 | blondie | no |
| 12:29.23 | weedar | cydork: Ah, yes. Well I like to be sure before I do stuff. Besides, I need to see if sid has packages that enable me to stream video from a v4l2 source, I don't think etch has updated packages |
| 12:29.29 | GooE | i mean uptime |
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| 12:30.29 | dancek | I need to preprocess an assembler-like language: loops { } need to be rewritten with goto and labels for goto need to be replaced with line numbers. Any idea on what's the best tool for the job? |
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| 12:30.37 | cydork | weedar: check the versions of packges in sid at packages.debian.org and if you need to isntall some from sid, check /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 12:31.14 | weedar | thanks for the tip cydork |
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| 12:36.07 | moshii | dancek: maybe awk or something? |
| 12:37.59 | dancek | moshii: might work, gotta look into it. I was hoping for something easier though. |
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| 12:39.05 | moshii | dancek: if you're just doing search and replace maybe sed with a bit of creative scripting? |
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| 12:41.44 | dancek | moshii: no, sed won't be enough. I need to move the loops' contents somewhere else in the file and there are a lot of nested loops. |
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| 12:46.24 | x_link | enouf: Hi my man! =) |
| 12:46.50 | moshii | dancek: that's where the creative scripting would come in |
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| 12:52.59 | Knight_Lord | Is there any graphical profiler for oprofiler? |
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| 12:56.12 | enouf | x_link: yo yo ma :-P |
| 12:56.21 | x_link | hehe =) |
| 12:56.24 | enouf | x_link: I'm quite busy atm .. ok? |
| 12:56.26 | x_link | How are you my friend ? |
| 12:56.30 | x_link | enouf: Okey., np |
| 12:56.33 | x_link | I just wanted to say Hi! |
| 12:56.34 | enouf | I'm ok .. thanks |
| 12:56.35 | x_link | That's all. |
| 12:56.43 | x_link | You go now and do you stuff =) |
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| 12:58.49 | x_link | hrmm, I think I will go back to this Linux reaing. |
| 12:58.54 | x_link | reading. |
| 12:58.56 | x_link | Bye! |
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| 13:06.02 | secher | Is anyone aware of the phpgroupware and php5.2 DateTime class bug, and if there's a workaround/solution to it? |
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| 13:08.36 | tralala | liable, the last line is simulating the missing file. It's generating a line for the sed to match. |
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| 13:11.11 | kuribas | Does anyone have experience with spamassassin? |
| 13:12.05 | fourat | tryed to upgrade, it's stopping on an error saying that it cannot install pppconfig_2.3.15_all.deb because it is going to replace this file /usr/share/man/fr/man8/pppconfig.8.gz wich is from another package (manpages-fr), how to force it ? |
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| 13:15.00 | The^Eagle | hello, i recently got the DRI module to load for the first time ever on my savage/ix-mv |
| 13:15.08 | The^Eagle | but now when i run glxgears it's just black |
| 13:15.13 | The^Eagle | and doesn't display any fps |
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| 13:16.13 | Mondoshawan | Hi all! I have debian installed on a 40 GB HDD an now i would put the system on my 250 GB HDD is there a chance to copy or mirror the hole system on the new HDD or is better to reinstall the hole system? |
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| 13:17.28 | The^Eagle | Mondoshawan: i just did something like that |
| 13:17.41 | Mondoshawan | ;-( |
| 13:17.54 | fourat | Mondoshawan, since your new hd is on the same hardware config, you can tar the entire disk except /proc and /dev and untar it on the new hd |
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| 13:18.03 | The^Eagle | the important thing is that lilo/grub needs to point to the right partition and that /etc/fstab gives the correct root partition and so on |
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| 13:18.10 | Mondoshawan | I have soooo many differnt software isntaled |
| 13:18.11 | fourat | Mondoshawan, you have to grub-update it |
| 13:18.24 | Mondoshawan | grub-update? |
| 13:18.24 | DhunEideann | Is there a debconf channel? |
| 13:18.47 | fourat | Mondoshawan, sorry grub-install |
| 13:19.01 | optraz | hello, i would like to transfer files from server A to server B using rsync. however, there is no rsync on server B. can i still transfer the files using rsync? |
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| 13:19.26 | fourat | optraz, you can try :) |
| 13:19.39 | Mondoshawan | ok thanks. faster way will be reinstall |
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| 13:20.58 | x_link | Hi |
| 13:21.02 | x_link | I could need some help. |
| 13:21.27 | x_link | When I write for example "man apt-get" in the konsole that information comes up. |
| 13:21.57 | x_link | But when I finish reading that I can't write anything else. |
| 13:22.03 | x_link | If you understand what I mean. |
| 13:22.16 | The^Eagle | have you tried typing clear and pressing enter? |
| 13:22.21 | x_link | Nope. |
| 13:22.23 | x_link | I will do that now |
| 13:22.33 | x_link | The thing is that I can't type anything. |
| 13:22.35 | The^Eagle | the screen may continues beyond the screen boundaries |
| 13:22.37 | x_link | But I will try that now. |
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| 13:22.39 | fourat | x_link, did you exit from the man pages ? |
| 13:22.47 | x_link | fourat: Nope.- |
| 13:22.56 | x_link | I just press the X on the right side. |
| 13:23.04 | fourat | x_link, so push the 'q' button |
| 13:23.11 | x_link | ok |
| 13:23.16 | _prsr_ | typing "reset" and hitting enter even when you can't see it echo usually helps |
| 13:23.17 | x_link | ahhhh |
| 13:23.18 | x_link | That wored =) |
| 13:23.21 | The^Eagle | hehe |
| 13:23.26 | x_link | worked |
| 13:23.29 | x_link | "q" |
| 13:23.36 | x_link | Thanks guys ! |
| 13:23.40 | fourat | nop |
| 13:23.44 | x_link | I have been reading alot this days. |
| 13:23.53 | x_link | MUST learn this better. |
| 13:23.58 | fourat | good reading ;) |
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| 13:24.45 | x_link | fourat: Yes, but it feels hopeless for me. |
| 13:24.51 | _prsr_ | does anyone hav3e exerience setting $sql_select_policy in amavisd.conf ? |
| 13:25.13 | fourat | x_link, why is that ? what are you seeking ? |
| 13:25.29 | x_link | fourat: Cause I'm to stupid/lame to understand it good. |
| 13:25.34 | _prsr_ | i'm trying to make it work with my db but it's kinda hard when i'm not sure what the output is that amavisd wants to see |
| 13:25.54 | x_link | fourat: I went to the library yesterday and borrowed 3 books, they are all in swedish. So that makes it a bit easier for me. |
| 13:26.09 | x_link | fourat: My english is not that very good, so sometimes it gets to hard for me when I read stuff. |
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| 13:26.32 | fourat | x_link, are you migrating from windowz to debian ? |
| 13:26.35 | x_link | + it's so damn noisy here, I can never consentrate 100% |
| 13:26.41 | x_link | fourat: yes |
| 13:26.50 | x_link | I have been using Debian for 2 months now maybe. |
| 13:27.07 | x_link | I started reading 2 days ago or something like that. |
| 13:27.16 | x_link | fourat: I just want to learn the basics good for now. |
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| 13:27.38 | gt2 | h |
| 13:27.43 | fourat | x_link, 2sec ! |
| 13:27.46 | x_link | For example, this 3 books that I borrowed, I will not finish reading all of them, I will read half the books. Cause after that it gets to advanced for me. |
| 13:28.11 | fourat | x_link, understand frensh ? |
| 13:28.11 | x_link | So I thought it's better to learn the basics GOOD then read the whole books and undertand 20% of it. |
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| 13:28.16 | x_link | fourat: Hehe no. |
| 13:28.21 | fourat | x_link, k |
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| 13:28.43 | x_link | I know swedish, english, armenian, a bit iranian, and I undertand a bit danish. |
| 13:28.55 | x_link | I'm armenian, but I can only talk/understand it. |
| 13:29.04 | x_link | So it has to be in either swedish or english. |
| 13:29.12 | Roey | x_link: hey then you understand Azamat in the movie Borat |
| 13:29.13 | Roey | eh? |
| 13:29.19 | x_link | fourat: But I think this books will be good fo rme. |
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| 13:29.28 | x_link | Roey: I haven't seen the movie, sorry Roey. |
| 13:29.31 | Roey | ok |
| 13:29.34 | x_link | But I will soon though =) |
| 13:29.36 | x_link | Was it good ? |
| 13:29.39 | fourat | x_link, here's some helpfull docs : |
| 13:29.40 | Roey | hilarious. |
| 13:29.44 | x_link | Roey: Super =) |
| 13:29.48 | Roey | but only justified hilarity if you're Jewish. |
| 13:29.51 | Roey | or a woman. |
| 13:29.59 | fourat | x_link, to help migrating from microsoft to linux : http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html |
| 13:30.03 | x_link | Roey: Okey, you're jewish? |
| 13:30.03 | Roey | otherwise it's laughing at minorities. |
| 13:30.07 | Roey | x_link: very much so |
| 13:30.09 | Roey | but anyway |
| 13:30.11 | x_link | fourat: Thanks you man !!!! |
| 13:30.12 | x_link | Roey: Okey. |
| 13:30.14 | fourat | x_link, it's an equivalence table of softwares |
| 13:30.18 | x_link | Okey. |
| 13:30.37 | Roey | x_link: the scary part is turning around after Borat makes some insulting remarks about Jews and then seeing the whole audience laugh. |
| 13:30.39 | x_link | fourat: I found a very good site the other day. |
| 13:30.44 | fourat | x_link, here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ |
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| 13:30.57 | x_link | It has ALOT of Linux commands the explaination about the commands and what they do are in swedish =) |
| 13:30.58 | fourat | x_link, this too: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ |
| 13:31.00 | Kerr | fourat: incomplete :/ where are the equivalent worms and trojan downloaders? |
| 13:31.10 | fourat | x_link, enjoy |
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| 13:31.44 | fourat | Kerr, let's say it's some kinf of rootshells ;) |
| 13:31.45 | CrippsFX | hey, does someone know of an article I can read to figure out how to mount a remote drive using ssh? I suspect that fuse would help, but I haven't the slightest clue how to go about doing it ... |
| 13:31.57 | fourat | CrippsFX, sshfs |
| 13:32.07 | CrippsFX | fourat, thanks. |
| 13:32.17 | fourat | CrippsFX, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/438 |
| 13:32.26 | x_link | fourat: Thanks, I will read them when I get back home, cause I have to go to a meeting soon. |
| 13:32.38 | CrippsFX | fourat, even better. thanks a million :) |
| 13:32.46 | x_link | Roey: Borat is jewish himself, right? |
| 13:32.52 | x_link | Or maybe I'm mistaking. |
| 13:32.55 | fourat | CrazyEddy, your welcome |
| 13:33.04 | Roey | the actor who plays Borat is Jewish, |
| 13:33.06 | x_link | Sorry, tis is a Linux channel. I will stick to Linux. |
| 13:33.12 | Roey | the character Borat is of indeterminate religion |
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| 13:33.24 | x_link | Yeah, but I mean the actor yes =) |
| 13:33.36 | x_link | The person that plays Borat is playing Ali G as well. |
| 13:33.38 | Kerr | i'm about to (clean) upgrade to testing, from stable; as in fresh install on my new hdd, with my old install as a slave drive. Am i likely to run into any problems? |
| 13:33.41 | x_link | I didn't know that before. |
| 13:33.42 | Roey | yeah, he made the movie Borat to make fun of American naivete basically :) |
| 13:33.50 | x_link | hehe ok. |
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| 13:33.51 | CrippsFX | fourat, by "CrazyEddy," I'm assuming you meant me ;) |
| 13:33.53 | x_link | I have to see it. |
| 13:33.59 | fourat | Kerr, didnt understood you |
| 13:34.08 | pready_ | hello |
| 13:34.08 | Roey | x_link: warning, some parts are vomit-inducing |
| 13:34.16 | fourat | CrippsFX, wops :) |
| 13:34.30 | x_link | Roey: What does that mean? |
| 13:34.35 | pready_ | how can i make a deb-pkg out of a make target? |
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| 13:34.46 | Roey | x_link: some parts in the movie will make you want to throw up |
| 13:34.52 | fourat | Roey, let's stick to the channel topic please |
| 13:35.01 | x_link | Roey: hehe why? |
| 13:35.02 | Roey | fourat: ok |
| 13:35.08 | x_link | Nasty pictures or what? |
| 13:35.14 | Roey | x_link: ya could say ;) |
| 13:35.15 | x_link | fourat: Sorry ! |
| 13:35.20 | x_link | Roey: Ok. |
| 13:35.22 | fourat | nop |
| 13:35.23 | CrippsFX | fourat, love autocomplete, but sometimes it's an invitaation to not pay attention. happens to me all the time. |
| 13:35.36 | Roey | CrippsFX: I like your word choice there |
| 13:35.39 | CrippsFX | *invitation for those of us who aren't dutch *whistles* |
| 13:35.45 | x_link | Hrmm, I must go now. But I will read those sites later fourat, as soon as I get home. |
| 13:35.48 | Roey | CrippsFX: "it's an invitation to ...", nice construct. |
| 13:35.51 | x_link | Bye folks and thanks again! |
| 13:35.52 | fourat | CrippsFX, did you see the autocomplete stuff in .bashrc ? |
| 13:36.05 | fourat | x_link, c ya |
| 13:36.08 | CrippsFX | Roey, thanks. I pride myself in trying to make good word choices. :) |
| 13:36.09 | Roey | ciao x_link |
| 13:36.12 | Roey | =) |
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| 13:36.37 | Roey | CrippsFX: (I'm trying to expand my knowledge of useful English constructs, that's why I commented :) |
| 13:36.41 | CrippsFX | fourat, no, I haven't taken a look at my bashrc ... I'm too *lazy* to bother with it. I'm happy enough with tab autocomplete in bash. |
| 13:36.53 | CrippsFX | Roey, ah. Thanks. I'll try to keep it up. |
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| 13:38.03 | fourat | CrippsFX, if you feel so happy, so you should discover that ;) |
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| 13:38.55 | fourat | CrippsFX, check that file and go to the EOF, uncomment those 3 last lines and enjoy |
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| 13:39.57 | CrippsFX | fourat, consider it done ;) |
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| 13:40.40 | RichiH | !u |
| 13:40.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:41.12 | CrippsFX | RichiH, haha. that's great. I love whoever programmed these responses into dpkg |
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| 13:42.06 | RichiH | CrippsFX: heh |
| 13:42.33 | tralala | !factinfo u |
| 13:42.33 | dpkg | u -- last modified at Thu Nov 25 13:56:09 2004 by ricky_clarkson!~ricky@h-69-3-31-82.snvacaid.covad.net; it has been requested 1235 times, last by RichiH, 1m 53s ago; it has been locked by . |
| 13:42.38 | fourat | RichiH, it's like you type int and not integer :) so why we need to type YOU and not U ? |
| 13:42.54 | tralala | CrippsFX, you should thank ricky_clarkson for this one |
| 13:43.00 | Dewi | !factinfo drxx |
| 13:43.00 | dpkg | drxx -- last modified at Mon Feb 13 07:38:30 2006 by mhall!n=mhall@uop-14-225.pacific.edu; it has been requested 325 times, last by madman215, 4h 19m 13s ago. |
| 13:43.14 | Dewi | 325 times... is that all |
| 13:43.17 | CrippsFX | hm ... maybe I should. He's been helpful to me for some java assignments too. |
| 13:43.22 | RichiH | fourat: commonly accepted language syntax? |
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| 13:43.36 | RichiH | in both cases, i should add |
| 13:43.42 | CrippsFX | fourat, difference between objects and primitive data types? |
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| 13:43.46 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 13:43.48 | fourat | RichiH, we're humans here not bots |
| 13:44.07 | fourat | RichiH, so we cant speek about 'syntax' so much :) |
| 13:44.11 | tralala | fourat, because some people (actually many in here) like "you" better than "u" and if you're asking for their help you'd want to make them happy |
| 13:44.13 | Dewi | RichiH: commonly accepted by you maybe |
| 13:44.18 | RichiH | fourat: and that is why we do each other the curtesy of using the commonly accepted language |
| 13:44.29 | RichiH | bots would be able to do binary, we are not ;) |
| 13:44.36 | fourat | RichiH, if so, should i commit my phrases ? or add a semi-column so every body can understand ? :) |
| 13:44.42 | RichiH | Dewi: ah well, i was waiting for that :) |
| 13:44.58 | Dewi | RichiH: better it takes you two extra keystrokes and us, who are helping folks, two seconds less to parse |
| 13:45.05 | Dewi | :) |
| 13:45.09 | RichiH | fourat: every language has a syntax, however obscure it might be |
| 13:45.16 | CrippsFX | No! Not the semicolon! It's poor grammar to complete sentences with a semicolon! |
| 13:45.22 | Dewi | Actually I don't help anyone, I just troll. But the rest of these pour souls. |
| 13:45.32 | fourat | RichiH, ok it's clear |
| 13:45.32 | RichiH | Dewi: you mean u or you is faster to parse? :) |
| 13:45.49 | zumbi | dpkg: coffee ? |
| 13:45.49 | dpkg | well, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 13:45.50 | Dewi | RichiH: You're trying to trick me into saying "I parse you". Well it's not going to happen. |
| 13:46.04 | fourat | So to respect others, we should speak the common language :) |
| 13:46.38 | Dewi | dpkg: did you just say "choice for a GNU generation"? To think I once told you I loved you. |
| 13:47.00 | fourat | and what about non-english people who comes here and speak english, you should be tolerent to some 'u' and 'r' :) they did the big deal |
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| 13:48.05 | tralala | hey, anyone feel like talking about debian in here?! (as opposed to english grammar/syntax/you_name_it) |
| 13:48.17 | Ronin | fourat: we send the non english folks to channels of thier language if possible |
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| 13:49.38 | CrippsFX | wow. That killed the conversation. |
| 13:49.49 | cast | if its not obstructing people talking about debian i don't see a problem with OT stuff |
| 13:49.55 | Ronin | tralala: now that was well done :) |
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| 13:51.10 | bronze_|| | linguists have already pointed out that IM (or SMS) contructs are entering everyday "typed" or "texted" online communications in a statistically significant uptrend, so these constructs are becoming part of the valid corpus of language. (yucch!) |
| 13:51.47 | bronze_|| | CrippsFX: where does one use a semicolon? |
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| 13:53.14 | tralala | bronze_||, in #c++ |
| 13:53.17 | dijz | Hi, I have problems with locale: Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C, I am in debian testing and need xterm UTF-8, you can help me? |
| 13:53.28 | bronze_|| | tralala: heh :) |
| 13:53.59 | fourat | dijz, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:54.12 | fourat | dijz, and then add the locales you need |
| 13:54.32 | pready_ | does anone know a prog which can create a deb package out of a make target? |
| 13:54.42 | dijz | fourat: I did it. and too edit /etc/locale.gen and locale-gen |
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| 13:54.58 | dijz | fourat: but it dont work :( |
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| 13:55.10 | fourat | dijz, did you restart the xterm ? |
| 13:55.38 | dijz | fourat: Yes, and X! |
| 13:55.42 | fourat | dijz, some googling may help so |
| 13:55.52 | tralala | pready_, doing this is not as straightforward as one might think. /msg dpkg nmg |
| 13:55.57 | RvGaTe | i love this service they have in this city... you send an email, and they bring you any snack you want, on any time of the day... :D |
| 13:56.03 | fourat | dijz, i think it's a usual issue :) |
| 13:56.20 | wireddd | RvGaTe, really? |
| 13:56.25 | wireddd | thats pretty cool |
| 13:56.26 | fourat | RvGaTe, where is that ? |
| 13:56.48 | pngwn | it's in offtopicville |
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| 13:57.05 | RvGaTe | wireddd, fourat, its in Zwolle... called "The Brunch Catering" ... i just eated my snack... and i sended the mail like 10min ago |
| 13:57.31 | saintiss | hi |
| 13:57.47 | saintiss | could anyone suggest a program to store TV-streams to HD? |
| 13:58.02 | pready_ | tralala: ive tried "checkinstall" but it doesnt create a working package, i'll check dpkg's help, thx for your reply |
| 13:58.05 | RvGaTe | saintiss, VLC has the ability to record |
| 13:58.08 | dijz | fourat: do you use testing and UTF-8? lastest |
| 13:58.09 | saintiss | I currently use tvtime to watch tv, but it can't seem to store |
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| 13:58.17 | tralala | saintiss, mencoder (but it's not easy to use) |
| 13:58.22 | saintiss | RvGaTe, ah, interesting, I'll check that out, thanks |
| 13:58.24 | neutral | Are the iceweasel/firefox pacakges broken in -SID ? |
| 13:58.26 | fourat | dijz, no, am with iso |
| 13:58.31 | saintiss | tralala, no GUI for it? |
| 13:58.40 | RvGaTe | saintiss, altho you might find it har to get the actual stream working... |
| 13:58.59 | tralala | saintiss, no |
| 13:59.03 | saintiss | RvGaTe, why's that? |
| 13:59.06 | dijz | fourat: thanks |
| 13:59.41 | RvGaTe | saintiss, last time i tried i cracked my head... but that was mainly becouse i had a shitty tv-capture card |
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| 14:00.18 | saintiss | RvGaTe, you'd think it should work if it works with tvtime, no? |
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| 14:00.31 | RvGaTe | saintiss, just give it a try |
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| 14:00.37 | saintiss | RvGaTe, I will, thanks |
| 14:01.18 | saintiss | RvGaTe, btw, I guess it 'll still not allow to store the stream while watching another channel at the same time? |
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| 14:02.22 | grendelson | Runnign testing - just ran an upgrade and python-uno fails to upgrade or uninstall due to a python-central error. I pasted error http://channels.debian.net/paste/4619 Can anyone walk me through manual extraction of python -uno or manual fix of python-central? |
| 14:02.30 | RvGaTe | saintiss, but yuo can watch and save the current stream at the same time |
| 14:02.47 | grendelson | I just don't seem to be able to locate a fix. The bugs seem to indicate that it is fixed but I can't upgrade due to errors... |
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| 14:03.17 | grendelson | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'remove_byte_code' <-- that's the error pycentral gives me every time. |
| 14:03.29 | saintiss | RvGaTe, right... |
| 14:03.29 | grendelson | & I can't install bug report becasue it produces same error! |
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| 14:04.14 | nachos | i'm running a ext3 root parition, is there any way to undelete a directory? |
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| 14:04.46 | moshii | nachos: have you googled ext3 undelete? |
| 14:04.56 | tralala | nachos, generally not, photorec might help somewhat |
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| 14:05.40 | nachos | ah ok, there is no hope |
| 14:05.57 | enouf | saintiss: why not look into mythtv, knoppmyth and the like |
| 14:06.17 | pumpkin0 | nachos: there is hope, but it´s not a surefire thing. |
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| 14:07.06 | pumpkin0 | nachos: take for example the sleuthkit. It can recover quite a lot of data from a totaly corrupt ext3. |
| 14:07.29 | saintiss | enouf, will that allow me to watch one channel and record another one? |
| 14:07.45 | enouf | saintiss: for ex http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/ .. dunno .. give it a look |
| 14:07.52 | saintiss | enouf, ok, thanks |
| 14:07.54 | tralala | saintiss, only if your tuner supports it. Generally not. |
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| 14:09.07 | lmax | Hi |
| 14:09.34 | saintiss | tralala, ic... thanks |
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| 14:09.56 | CrippsFX | darn ... I run "sshfs -o idmap=user garfield.cs.mun.ca:/users/palab/student2/cripps labnet/" and I get the error message: "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied" ... any ideas? |
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| 14:10.04 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4623 <-- this is the error I keep getting from python-central trying to upgrade or remove some packages! |
| 14:10.10 | grendelson | Any ideas on how to manually do this? |
| 14:10.18 | pready_ | tralala, maybe i gotta say that deb pkg is only for private use, and the HW is still the same, its used on uniform servers |
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| 14:11.14 | cydork | grendelson: check what pre-removal script does.. |
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| 14:11.43 | grendelson | cydork.pre-rm script of py-uno or python-central? |
| 14:11.58 | cydork | grendelson: python-uno |
| 14:12.07 | tralala | pready_, if all you need is to have something that can be installed using dpkg -i you can build the .deb file manually skipping dependencies, config scripts, etc. Read man deb |
| 14:12.34 | grendelson | cydork - I've been gettign this with quite a few pacakges. WHy does the python-central keep coming back with that bad variable error? |
| 14:12.41 | pready_ | yes thats exactly what i want |
| 14:12.45 | grendelson | Is there a way to jsut update aht to get rid of that error? |
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| 14:15.53 | earthian | hello |
| 14:16.03 | cydork | grendelson: well python-uno is the buggy one as far as i can tell.. |
| 14:16.07 | earthian | i have noticed that a new mysql and other upgrades are ready |
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| 14:16.14 | earthian | however i have a question: |
| 14:16.28 | grendelson | cydork. Not 100% sure where theses scritps are... |
| 14:16.32 | earthian | why is this being upgraded???? |
| 14:16.33 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.37 | earthian | lol |
| 14:16.39 | cydork | grendelson: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:16.59 | cydork | earthian: coz you have it installed and newer version is available.. |
| 14:17.09 | earthian | but it is the same version |
| 14:17.16 | earthian | thats the point |
| 14:17.34 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.44 | earthian | i have built it from sid sources |
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| 14:18.09 | earthian | any idea if i should continue? :S |
| 14:18.17 | earthian | the upgrade* |
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| 14:19.19 | cydork | earthian: yes that package is in testing now, so must have some bug-fixes :) |
| 14:19.47 | earthian | :S |
| 14:19.57 | earthian | pretty weird ... |
| 14:19.58 | earthian | thanks |
| 14:20.16 | CrippsFX | heh ... I feel like a moron ... in kde I can just use "sftp://<hostname>/path/to/directory" to open up a remote folder, and then I can just use an ssh session to do my compiling and testing ... I had no idea about that. |
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| 14:22.17 | spaceinvader | Hi |
| 14:22.42 | spaceinvader | How small can a debian install go, as I wish to setup a vmware server and I need as much space as I can get for disk images etc |
| 14:22.43 | earthian | hi |
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| 14:22.56 | lunitik | Hey... I have a dual core pentium d ... /proc/cpuinfo is only reporting one core however... running amd64, it found both cores... wondering what the likelihood is of getting both cores functional running i386? |
| 14:23.07 | tralala | spaceinvader, well below 1GB |
| 14:23.10 | cydork | lunitik: which kernel? |
| 14:23.17 | spaceinvader | tralala: how about below 250MB |
| 14:23.20 | lunitik | cydork, 2.6.19 |
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| 14:23.31 | cydork | lunitik: you compiled it? :P |
| 14:23.32 | earthian | lunitik, you need i386 with SMP. AMD64 i belive is SMP by default |
| 14:23.43 | spaceinvader | tralala: All it will run is vmware |
| 14:24.04 | lunitik | earthian, sid kernels are supposed to support smp and uniprocessor.... |
| 14:24.10 | spaceinvader | the_mug: i looked at minix, where you can have a ~51mb install but it dosent seem to handle ram too well |
| 14:24.21 | earthian | spaceinvader, what do you need from that vm mashine? base system that is functional is around 100-150 megs |
| 14:24.22 | cydork | lunitik: it's sid kernel? |
| 14:25.21 | spaceinvader | earthian: litrally nothing but vmware, enough to get it talking to the network, a shell and a kernel |
| 14:25.35 | lunitik | cydork, yes... although packages.debian.org reports 2.6.18 being latest... magic? |
| 14:25.39 | earthian | oh then 100 megabytes is just enough |
| 14:25.43 | grendelson | The removal of python-uno is failing but the python-central script is generating errors about an undefined variable. I'm runnig python2.4 in testing. |
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| 14:26.01 | CrippsFX | earthian, yep, you got it spot on. |
| 14:26.23 | enouf | hi guys; quick Q hopefully .. i finally enabled some debian-multimedia.org (marrilat) in my sources.list because i wanted to try acroread, since most others suck -- doing the gpg-key thing I've managed to install it (according to marrilat's faq page) .. but when I do an --exprt .. i get this warning --> sudo gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:26.23 | enouf | gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/stompthebozo/.gnupg/gpg.conf' |
| 14:26.23 | enouf | OK, then an OK |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | lunitik: uname -a |
| 14:26.26 | cydork | lunitik: i didn't knew that sid had 2.6.19.. |
| 14:26.30 | enouf | crap .. sorry |
| 14:26.31 | CrippsFX | spaceinvader, I've had a debian install run at about 300 megs running X and a bunch of extra junk. |
| 14:26.57 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: hehe |
| 14:26.59 | lunitik | abrotman, Linux thasylum 2.6.19-6-generic #2 SMP Tue Nov 21 07:02:59 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:27.06 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: and will I be able to use lvm or raid? |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | cydork: it doesn't |
| 14:27.14 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
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| 14:27.24 | lunitik | Hmm, that lists SMP... but its not recognizing both cores? |
| 14:27.31 | abrotman | yeah .. it doesn't |
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| 14:27.37 | abrotman | lunitik: cat /proc/version |
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| 14:27.45 | the_mug | spaceinvader: wha? |
| 14:27.52 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 14:27.53 | abrotman | unless pdo is still way out of date |
| 14:28.03 | earthian | lunitik, your uname -a shows a clear support of your dual processor system |
| 14:28.03 | earthian | :) |
| 14:28.08 | enouf | anyway a stat /home/username/.gnupg/gpg.conf on the file gives these permissions Access: (0600/-rw-------) and both Gid and Uid are 1000 .. is that correct? |
| 14:28.38 | earthian | i.e. it shows #2 SMP which means that you have 2 cores/processors enabled there. |
| 14:28.48 | earthian | at least 2* |
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| 14:28.53 | GooE | say , i set chattr +i filename , and still i can delete the file as a normal user |
| 14:29.14 | lunitik | abrotman, Linux version 2.6.19-6-generic (root@palmer) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (4.1.1-20)) #2 SMP Tue Nov 21 07:02:59 UTC 2006 (2.6.19-6.9-generic) |
| 14:29.16 | abrotman | i can't find a 2.6.19 in the archive |
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| 14:30.27 | CrippsFX | spaceinvader, I don't see why you couldn't. Personally, I only have one disk, so I don't use RAID, and I reinstall far too often (I'm a distrowhore), so I don't use LVM. |
| 14:30.28 | enouf | I'm only concerne about the "unsafe ownership" warning .. yes 'apt-key' , and 'debian-archive-keyring' aer both installed and working correctly .. the 2006 key info is up todate and all |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | lunitik: grep SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:30.56 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: hehe I'm more of an OS whore, thats why I want a nice vmware server setup |
| 14:31.15 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: my desktops use gentoo but it is too fat in this case as i need as much space as possible for disk images etc |
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| 14:31.41 | enouf | Well .. christian's keys are dated ~1999 .. with the last subid ~2002 .. so maybe that's the issue? |
| 14:32.26 | lunitik | _SMP _SUSPEND_SMP _X86_FIND_SMP_CONFIG and _X86_SMP all set to 'y' ... X86_BIGSMP is not set... |
| 14:32.33 | CrippsFX | spaceinvader, yeah, I hear that too ... I've had a hankerin' to test freedos, pcBSD, and that windows clone ... can't remember what it's called right now |
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| 14:32.50 | abrotman | lunitik: shouldn't matter |
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| 14:33.04 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: reactos |
| 14:33.13 | lunitik | abrotman, this setup _should_ find both cores in recent kernels, correct? |
| 14:33.28 | lunitik | (by the looks of it at least...) |
| 14:33.31 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: at the moment my laptop has 12 vmware os's, and disk space is the only thing from stopping me from having more |
| 14:33.50 | spaceinvader | CrippsFX: therefore the need for a dedicated vmware server |
| 14:33.52 | CrippsFX | spaceinvader, yeah, that's the one. |
| 14:34.03 | CrippsFX | haha. I see. |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | lunitik: where the heck did you get that kernel ? |
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| 14:34.31 | enouf | kernel.org must've |
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| 14:35.01 | abrotman | not from debian.org afaict |
| 14:35.12 | Tomasso | my apt system is almost destroyed i cant install anything :( |
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| 14:35.42 | Tomasso | is there any way to fix it? |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | what did you do to it ? |
| 14:36.11 | Tomasso | abrotman: dont remember to have done anything weird.. |
| 14:36.26 | abrotman | so how is it broken ? |
| 14:36.27 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4623 <-- here is the reoccuring python-central script error I am getting. I am runngin testing and have python2.4 |
| 14:36.45 | grendelson | It keeps crapping out trying to remove python-uno - but also does it on other packages as well... |
| 14:38.17 | enouf | lunitik: just a quick guess, if it's not your kerenl's nor your compiling effort's fault .. may wanna ensure all ACPI, APIC and to a lesser degree AHCI, are akll enabled and working correctly .. start in the BIOS |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | lunitik: are you sure you shouldn't be asking #ubuntu ? |
| 14:38.45 | enouf | I gotta split now though lunitik .. et al .. bbl |
| 14:39.35 | tralala | Tomasso, try removing the cache files /var/cache/apt/*bin |
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| 14:39.55 | lunitik | enouf, thank you for your assistance.... |
| 14:40.26 | Tomasso | tralala: let me check |
| 14:40.32 | abrotman | lunitik: are you really asking #debian about your Ubuntu box ? |
| 14:40.39 | lunitik | abrotman, this isn't an Ubuntu box. |
| 14:40.52 | cydork | grendelson: i told you to check the pre rm script. |
| 14:40.58 | abrotman | i can't find that kernel anywhere in the debian archives |
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| 14:41.42 | cydork | lunitik: check the policy on that kernel. |
| 14:41.42 | lunitik | abrotman, I'll try to find more on the issue... thanks for trying though :) |
| 14:41.42 | Tomasso | lunitik: it says there are broken dependencies, is there any way to tell it to fix itself as he might know? |
| 14:41.42 | grendelson | cydork - I did and there was nothing I coudl see. the script looked liek a scipt. It checs for presence of python and py-central and uses it to remove the package |
| 14:41.45 | grendelson | py-cetrnla then craps out |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | lunitik: it's ubuntu .. admit it! |
| 14:41.55 | cydork | grendelson: paste it in a pastebin |
| 14:42.02 | spaceinvader | is there a debian package for vmware server? |
| 14:42.02 | lunitik | abrotman, sharnt |
| 14:42.02 | tralala | lunitik, why don't you share your sources.list with us? |
| 14:42.02 | abrotman | lunitik: or at least admit it's not debian :) |
| 14:42.17 | lunitik | abrotman, its mostly Debian Sid? :P |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 14:42.23 | tralala | spaceinvader: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | lunitik: ask whomever you got your kernel from why it doesn't work |
| 14:43.07 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4624 < --There is the pre-rm script for py-uno |
| 14:43.22 | tralala | grendelson: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 14:43.24 | abrotman | grendelson: there's a #debian-python .. i think |
| 14:43.36 | abrotman | tralala: he's been repeating since last night :) |
| 14:43.53 | abrotman | lunitik: so ask the people that gave you your kernel .. it's not #debian |
| 14:44.03 | lunitik | 2.4 has no noticeable difference... but 2.5 is _very_ noticeable |
| 14:44.05 | grendelson | No none of these was a repeat -each time I posted a different paste bin or more clues... |
| 14:44.06 | cydork | grendelson: comment the first 3 lines. and the last fi |
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| 14:44.18 | lunitik | abrotman, I have... I was just hoping there was something generic I missed |
| 14:44.33 | tralala | abrotman, wow! |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | grendelson: and nothing in the BTS ? |
| 14:44.56 | abrotman | lunitik: did you try asking #kernel ? |
| 14:45.04 | GooE | what does low level format do to a floppy? |
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| 14:45.16 | abrotman | GooE: zero it out usually |
| 14:45.23 | grendelson | abrotman - again nothign obvious. Most of the bgs state fixed but I can tupgrade python-uno due to current error... |
| 14:45.28 | tralala | GooE, it fills it in with off topic junk |
| 14:45.30 | Roey | oh my god, python-uno. |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | grendelson: you also might want to ask #debian-oo |
| 14:45.45 | grendelson | I had reportbug installed but it dies duriung an upgrade due to same python-central error. |
| 14:45.48 | lunitik | abrotman, I can be patient.... I'll see if I get any replies first... thank you though... :) |
| 14:46.04 | grendelson | The pyhton-central scritp seems to generate the errors... |
| 14:46.18 | grendelson | SO it seems like I have to manually edit scripts to SKIP sing py-central... |
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| 14:46.56 | grendelson | I'm just trying to understand how these pieces go together since it is affecting NOT just python or OO but the ability to install anything! Once I get into an erro loop nothing else will install |
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| 14:47.14 | Zygentoma | hi |
| 14:47.37 | grendelson | cydork: I'll try that - it seems like I am jsut then forcing the script to use the manaul uninstall and skip py-central? |
| 14:47.51 | cydork | grendelson: yep :) |
| 14:47.57 | grendelson | BUT then ho do I get py-central working correctly and what os is that bad variable warning about? |
| 14:48.17 | cydork | grendelson: afaik there was a bug against that.. |
| 14:49.13 | th1 | hi, I'm using Etch and I am trying to get LDAP authentication to work in apache2 against a Fedora Directory Server, but I always get failed password even if I can see in Fedora DS that it did match the user |
| 14:49.18 | th1 | any ideas what I might be doing wrong? |
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| 14:50.24 | th1 | the error_log entry is here: http://pastebin.ca/260589 |
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| 14:50.38 | fzzzt | morning |
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| 14:51.11 | tgelter | mornin' people - how can I convert directly from *.rmvb to mpeg4 for ipod video? |
| 14:51.32 | abrotman | mencoder maybe ? |
| 14:51.47 | grendelson | I just must be searching bugs db poorly. I can't seem to find anything that is listed as a bug or a fi for the python-cetnral erroro. If it is a bug thenthe question remains how are you folks getting around it (or are you not runnign testing - or all runnign unstable etc..) |
| 14:52.08 | fzzzt | if i make an alias interface, e.g. eth1:0, via "ifconfig eth1:0 ..." and it ends up breaking everything :) how do i remove it? does ifconfig down remove it or just make it inactive? |
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| 14:52.51 | grendelson | The novarialbel found I can see lsited in other folks bug reports but the replies are somethign liek " fixed in version bleah" and then I cant upgrade to that version due to the already exisitng error (catch -22:-) |
| 14:52.51 | zorrolero | hi, is there a cli-tool that can show me which application is responsible for swapping? |
| 14:53.04 | abrotman | top .. roughly ? |
| 14:53.17 | cydork | fzzzt: did you add it in your interfaces? |
| 14:53.45 | cydork | grendelson: oh i remember now :) |
| 14:54.10 | fzzzt | not yet |
| 14:54.13 | grendelson | que que? |
| 14:54.32 | fzzzt | i would like to know how to reverse the change before i apply it |
| 14:55.18 | grendelson | cydork - thatnks the blanking of those lines seemed to alt least let dpkg finish installing all other updates... |
| 14:55.19 | zorrolero | abrotman: the "VIRT"-column? |
| 14:55.19 | grendelson | Now to put back a new version of OO.o and python-uno |
| 14:55.19 | cydork | fzzzt: then just ifdown is enough .. |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | why does dell suck so much |
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| 14:56.02 | roadfish | after doing an upgrade, my internet connection is now slow and start and stop. but here's the weird part: if I'm running a process that uses most of the CPU, then the download rate usually recovers. any idea what might be the problem? |
| 14:56.05 | grendelson | Ooops gotta go to a meeting. Be back later... |
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| 14:57.04 | th1 | can anyone help me get LDAP authentication on Apache2 in Etch to work against a Fedora Directory Server? I have posted config snippet and error_log output here: http://pastebin.ca/260592 |
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| 14:57.41 | abrotman | FDS isn't in debian |
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| 14:58.04 | th1 | abrotman, the FDS is on another box but the apache is on debian. The FDS works with Samba and many other things in the company. |
| 14:58.12 | th1 | I am pretty sure the issue is with apache. |
| 14:58.51 | lunitik | abrotman, hmm... gnome-system-monitor appears to disagree with /proc/cpuinfo ... it is reporting 2 CPU's, with different %'s... so I guess they are working? |
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| 14:59.22 | abrotman | lunitik: /proc/cpuinfo should do it |
| 14:59.24 | lunitik | abrotman, unless gnome-system-monitor enjoys making things up? :P |
| 14:59.26 | EspadaV8 | hi, are the contents of /var/cache/apt/ needed? |
| 14:59.38 | abrotman | th1: says your credentials are wrong |
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| 14:59.47 | th1 | abrotman, I know, but they aren't :( |
| 14:59.48 | abrotman | lunitik: dmesg should tell you how many CPUs are seen |
| 14:59.53 | abrotman | th1: but they are! |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:00.01 | lunitik | abrotman, what would I be grepping? |
| 15:00.03 | th1 | this works for logging in to the box ;) |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | lunitik: dmesg | less .. should be near the top |
| 15:00.19 | th1 | but eh you rae giving me an idea |
| 15:00.27 | tralala | lunitik, erm... cpu? |
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| 15:01.29 | lunitik | abrotman, Its reporting CPU #0 and CPU #1 ... I'm confused... works for me though... :) |
| 15:01.43 | abrotman | lunitik: have a nice day .. now stop asking your NON-debian questions in #debian |
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| 15:01.57 | th1 | oh well I will try asking in #apache.. |
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| 15:02.14 | mati | hey, i have this pascal program i made in gedit now when i open it in a terminal using vim, i can't see those characters. i've tried setting my LANG to "en_US.iso-8859-15", also i can't see those characters in filenames copied from my windows partition. i can rename them, but why is this happening |
| 15:02.35 | mati | when i said characters i mean öäü |
| 15:02.47 | mati | i used those in the pascal program |
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| 15:03.00 | tralala | mati, ask #vim |
| 15:03.19 | EspadaV8 | hey, just a quicky, are the contents of /var/cache/apt/ needed? |
| 15:03.32 | tralala | EspadaV8, yes |
| 15:03.41 | EspadaV8 | :-( |
| 15:04.01 | EspadaV8 | was hoping to free up some space then |
| 15:04.03 | tralala | EspadaV8, man apt-get and see the command "clean" |
| 15:04.20 | cydork | EspadaV8: files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ can be removed using tralala's command |
| 15:04.41 | mati | tralala, i don't think it's a vim problem, when i do "ls" in the directory i have the copied files, i see question marks |
| 15:04.41 | EspadaV8 | ah, thank you :-) |
| 15:04.51 | mati | i'm using gnome-terminal |
| 15:05.05 | EspadaV8 | that saved a few hundred meg :-) |
| 15:05.05 | mati | question marks instead of äöü |
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| 15:05.27 | mati | i guess i should ask #gnome or something then |
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| 15:06.16 | mati | ok solved it using configuration editor, changed encoding |
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| 15:06.44 | AndroidData | hi. I'm an idiot who doesn't know how DNS/nameservers work. |
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| 15:07.10 | tralala | AndroidData, nice to meet you |
| 15:07.14 | spaceinvader | AndroidData: What do you need to know? |
| 15:07.15 | abrotman | #dns knows! |
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| 15:07.25 | spaceinvader | abrotman: there is #dns!?! |
| 15:07.31 | teclo- | Hello, on a freshly formatted media, I got the following warning when mounting: |
| 15:07.32 | spaceinvader | cool |
| 15:07.33 | teclo- | Nov 28 16:04:16 lilith kernel: hdd: The disk reports a capacity of 250624000 bytes, but the drive only handles 250609664 |
| 15:07.36 | teclo- | Nov 28 16:04:16 lilith kernel: /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0: unknown partition table |
| 15:07.40 | teclo- | ... the media mounts properly though... |
| 15:07.43 | AndroidData | We setup a simple BIND server on our site, hyperbyond.com. A client is trying to set it to our domain (hyperbyond.com) and all they get is an error that it's "not a valid nameserver". How does one make a valid nameserver? |
| 15:07.48 | madclicker | hi, how can i tell interfaces when using dhcp to not modify my resolv.conf? |
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| 15:07.56 | teclo- | ... the media has just been freshly formatted from W*ndows |
| 15:08.12 | scy | hi. is it possible to convert seconds since 111790 to the corresponding date? it seems that date isn't able to do this |
| 15:08.16 | tralala | !google bind+howto |
| 15:08.18 | tolecnal | Results for bind+howto on Google: |
| 15:08.18 | tolecnal | -- |
| 15:08.30 | abrotman | AndroidData: does your registrar know about it ? |
| 15:08.31 | SpeedyG | thats not much ;) |
| 15:09.11 | tralala | it reveals my experience with google factoids |
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| 15:09.24 | tralala | (lack of) |
| 15:09.53 | madclicker | hi, how can i tell interfaces when using dhcp to not modify my resolv.conf? |
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| 15:10.19 | AndroidData | abrotman: no... |
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| 15:11.28 | tralala | madclicker, man dhclient.conf |
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| 15:12.14 | cydork | !fixresolvconf |
| 15:12.14 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 15:14.33 | telmich | ahoi |
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| 15:15.14 | abrotman | AndroidData: might be a good place to start |
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| 15:16.55 | dbe | How do I chown a symlink with sudo? sudo chown foo /file does not work at all for me. |
| 15:18.00 | rgsteele | Does your sudoers file allow for that? |
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| 15:18.18 | dbe | rgsteele, How can I check it up? |
| 15:18.25 | dbe | rgsteele, I mean wich file. |
| 15:18.28 | rgsteele | visudo |
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| 15:18.51 | dbe | rgsteele, Just the command visudo? |
| 15:19.11 | rgsteele | Yeah. You need the sudo package first, but I'm assuming you've already got that. |
| 15:19.17 | rgsteele | Gotta run for a few, boss wants me |
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| 15:19.34 | dbe | rgsteele, visudo give me: visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
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| 15:20.08 | dbe | rgsteele, sudo visudo, better |
| 15:20.40 | dbe | rgsteele, Everything is ALL |
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| 15:21.47 | danbrwn | anyone know of a good sip phone for debian |
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| 15:23.54 | abrotman | ekiga |
| 15:23.57 | abrotman | i think is sip |
| 15:24.03 | abrotman | !info ekiga sid |
| 15:24.05 | dpkg | ekiga: (H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5368 kB, Installed size: 12560 kB |
| 15:24.11 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 15:24.16 | abrotman | PONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:25.02 | danbrwn | abrotman: thnks |
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| 15:29.56 | abrotman | danbrwn: i'm sure there's one for kde too |
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| 15:30.09 | petemc | probably kphone |
| 15:30.13 | petemc | or some shit |
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| 15:31.03 | abrotman | petemc: probably "kall" |
| 15:31.40 | Flimqy | I'm trying to analize some SMTP connections... Is there a way to use tcpdump, or some other tool, to display only the text sent to/from the SMTP server? tcpdump -X has a bunch of other extra junk in the output... |
| 15:31.53 | petemc | Flimqy: exim can run in debug mode |
| 15:32.03 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks, I can't seem to mount my usb floppy drive/disk. `fdisk -l /dev/sda` tells me "Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table". Any thoughts? |
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| 15:32.06 | Flimqy | petemc: I don't have the ability to change the MTA. |
| 15:32.10 | petemc | Flimqy: unlucky |
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| 15:32.17 | centrx | Flimqy set it to only analyze data on one port |
| 15:32.26 | Flimqy | centrix: did that already. |
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| 15:32.42 | Flimqy | centrix: the extra "junk" I'm talking about is going over that port... it's just extra (header info maybe?) |
| 15:33.26 | Flimqy | centrx: i.e.: E..8..@.s.K.F:.......G......s>..P.DU"J..helo.localhost.. |
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| 15:34.24 | raikou | Which package provides Japanese fonts for Xorg ? |
| 15:34.35 | fzzzt | ok another question...i'm almost there. :) in /etc/network/interfaces, for my alias iface (eth1:0), do i need to use a different netmask if my alias IP is on the same network as my initial IP? e.g. eth1 is 10.0.0.2/255.255.255.0 and eth1:0 is 10.0.0.3, would eth1:0 need to be 255.255.255.255 or can i use 255.255.255.0 for the netmask? |
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| 15:35.04 | Eulex | raikou, apt-cache search japanese ttf |
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| 15:36.00 | raikou | Eulex: I'm not using debian so if you can tell me I'd be very grateful :) |
| 15:36.07 | Flimqy | fzzzt: Use the appropriate netmask for that network. |
| 15:36.09 | abrotman | so why are you asking here ? |
| 15:36.21 | Flimqy | fzzzt: Ethernet should *never* have a netmask of 255.255.255.255 |
| 15:36.23 | fzzzt | ok, so the /24 should work |
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| 15:36.30 | Flimqy | fzzzt: That depends on your network. |
| 15:36.33 | fzzzt | well on other systems i've had to use /32 in order to get the aliases to work |
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| 15:36.41 | Flimqy | fzzzt: /24 is common. But by no means the only valid option. |
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| 15:36.55 | Flimqy | fzzzt: /32 should only be used on a point-to-point connection such as PPP or SLIP |
| 15:37.15 | Azar | raikou: ask on the channel where your system distribution is |
| 15:38.19 | raikou | Azar: 99% times the name will be exactly the same, and I'm not gettin an answer there. |
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| 15:39.04 | Eulex | raikou, then ask how to search the packages in your distro... |
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| 15:40.01 | Azar | raikou: sorry but debian commands and packages are different than yours so it does not work that way |
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| 15:41.41 | blondie | raikou: we only support debian in here. emphasis on "only". |
| 15:41.54 | blondie | !they won't help |
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| 15:42.27 | Flimqy | raikou: If you're not getting an answer there, perhaps you could switch to Debian. Then we could help you. |
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| 15:42.30 | Whitman | Hi, when installing sarge I skipped the mta setup, which package should I reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure to set it up? |
| 15:42.45 | blondie | yeah what Flimqy said |
| 15:42.52 | blondie | Whitman: exim4-config IIRC |
| 15:42.53 | stew | Whitman: exim4-config |
| 15:42.53 | DebianUser | Hello can someone tell me which package provides japanese fonts. My apt is broken. |
| 15:42.54 | vin` | Whitman: exim4-config |
| 15:43.01 | Flimqy | raikou: Then again, when the Volkswagen dealership can't help me with my VW, I do, of course, excpect the Mercedes Benz dealer to fix it. |
| 15:43.02 | Whitman | Cheers |
| 15:43.02 | stew | DebianUser: apt-cache search japanese font |
| 15:43.08 | blondie | maybe you should fix apt first, DebianUser |
| 15:43.14 | blondie | btw DebianUser your nick is a bit silly in here. |
| 15:43.15 | centrx | blondie He was asking about Debian software, though he was not currently running on a Debian system. That is a Debian-related question. |
| 15:43.18 | DebianUser | My apt is broken and I have a multiple cs |
| 15:43.19 | DebianUser | cd's |
| 15:43.22 | blondie | centrx: nope |
| 15:43.26 | blondie | you have to be using debian |
| 15:43.31 | blondie | well |
| 15:43.31 | stew | DebianUser: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:43.32 | nash-20 | hi i have debian sid, and when apache start send next error: Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.1.110 for ServerName |
| 15:43.32 | centrx | blondie Why? |
| 15:43.33 | nash-20 | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.1.110 for ServerName |
| 15:43.34 | jugglinx | DebianUser, ask in your distribution channel, raiko |
| 15:43.38 | nash-20 | do you know why? |
| 15:43.47 | centrx | blondie What if you have not yet installed it and want to know more about it? |
| 15:43.54 | jugglinx | debianUser (n=raikou@dtr62.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) :-/ |
| 15:44.00 | blondie | centrx: that's fine, but not the case |
| 15:44.01 | DebianUser | I'm using Debian, dunno what version, just installed, switched from Windows |
| 15:44.07 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:44.15 | par | more /etc/debian-version |
| 15:44.16 | par | :) |
| 15:44.22 | Ronin | not a good attempt at hiding there DebianUser |
| 15:44.23 | blondie | DebianUser: liar. |
| 15:44.31 | DebianUser | blondie: How could you! |
| 15:44.31 | centrx | blondie What if you have it on another computer but do not have it on the computer you are currently using? |
| 15:44.40 | centrx | DebianUser xfonts-intl-japanese |
| 15:44.40 | blondie | centrx: that's fine. |
| 15:44.54 | blondie | centrx: but if you don't use it or don't want to, then tough |
| 15:44.56 | centrx | blondie Why would someone want to know a Debian package name if it was not for something Debian-releated? |
| 15:45.02 | DebianUser | centrx: ok, I've got those, but are there any more? |
| 15:45.12 | blondie | DebianUser: what distro are you using? |
| 15:45.12 | stew | DebianUser: there are lots, apt-cache search japanese font |
| 15:45.14 | centrx | DebianUser it looks like there is one for "big" fonts |
| 15:45.22 | DebianUser | PLD |
| 15:45.31 | DebianUser | Debian I mean! |
| 15:45.37 | jugglinx | raikou> Eulex: I'm not using debian so if you can tell me I'd be very grateful :) ; debianUser (n=raikou@dtr62.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) centrx |
| 15:45.47 | Ronin | *cough* liar DebianUser :) |
| 15:45.51 | blondie | DebianUser: go away |
| 15:46.21 | centrx | What is the purpose of this hostility? |
| 15:46.33 | blondie | centrx: read the topic |
| 15:46.41 | Ronin | centrx: no hostility, hes just not running debian so we cant help him |
| 15:46.55 | Ronin | the fact that they came in again trying to cloak doesn't help the matter |
| 15:46.58 | blondie | centrx: we do NOT support the use of distros other than debian |
| 15:47.09 | centrx | We certainly can help him, and there was nothing else going on in the channel so it's not conflicting |
| 15:47.18 | blondie | no we cannot help him |
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| 15:47.23 | blondie | it's against the channel rules. |
| 15:47.28 | Flimqy | centrx: Whether something is going on or not is irrelevant. |
| 15:47.41 | Flimqy | centrx: If you want to support his distro in your idle time, do it on the appropriate channel. Not ehre. |
| 15:47.45 | blondie | !offtopic |
| 15:47.48 | blondie | bah |
| 15:48.16 | aidehua | Any tips on "isync" or "offlineimap"? Should I use one over the other? |
| 15:48.31 | centrx | Flimqy I don't know what distro he is using. He asked a plain question related to Debian, and the only difference between him not being answered and being answered appears to be that he asked the question with a certain verb structure |
| 15:48.55 | Azar | :) |
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| 15:49.00 | Flimqy | centrx: If he's using Debian, no prob. |
| 15:49.04 | Flimqy | If he's not... problem. |
| 15:49.09 | cydork | Ronin: hehe |
| 15:49.12 | Azar | well, just give him the Debian solution, if it does not work for him too bad. |
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| 15:49.23 | Flimqy | Azar: sounds reasonable. |
| 15:49.37 | Ronin | course then they come back bitching that we broke thier system |
| 15:49.43 | Azar | their problem |
| 15:49.55 | danbrwn | children, please! |
| 15:49.55 | cydork | !fable |
| 15:49.56 | dpkg | well, fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 15:49.56 | Flimqy | Ronin: Cool! :) |
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| 15:50.25 | centrx | Flimqy He was asking a question about Debian |
| 15:50.50 | Azar | let's make dpkg warn them about consequences of trying debian ways of fixing non-debian distros |
| 15:50.58 | Dewi | centrx: a very vague question about debian that was easily answerable by running a command on a debian system |
| 15:50.58 | Ronin | centrx: he doesnt run debian, he admittied he doesnt run debian but one of its spinoffs |
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| 15:51.06 | jugglinx | centrx, he wasn t using debian... andd that s all |
| 15:51.22 | stew | enough, can we please just drop it and move on? |
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| 15:51.59 | Dewi | centrx: if his system is so debian-like surely he can run an apt-cache search. Nobody refused to help him; he just wanted more detail than anybody could spare time to give. I doubt we have this much time to discuss channel policy either |
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| 15:52.16 | Flimqy | Yeah, lets move on... I'm having a problem with FC3 I need help with... can you guys help? :P |
| 15:52.55 | SpeedyG | Flimqy: yeah, rm -rf / and then start installing debian :P |
| 15:53.06 | Dewi | SpeedyG: what a lovely dream. |
| 15:53.06 | Flimqy | SpeedyG: OMG, I would *love* to do that. |
| 15:53.07 | SpeedyG | after you're finished, you can come back :p |
| 15:53.15 | azeem | is raikou a known derived-Debian user, or the default login of some derived distro? |
| 15:53.24 | Dewi | I'm stuck maintaining an FC3 system too |
| 15:53.26 | Flimqy | I loathe FC |
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| 15:53.40 | Flimqy | Dewi: I'm stuck mantaining roughly 2000 FC3 boxes |
| 15:53.54 | azeem | Flimqy: take that elsewhere |
| 15:54.00 | Flimqy | azeem: ? |
| 15:54.18 | azeem | Flimqy: you're off-topic |
| 15:54.27 | Flimqy | azeem: No. You're not following the conversation. |
| 15:54.42 | azeem | Flimqy: I did, make up some other chan to talk about non-Debian distributions, please |
| 15:54.51 | Dewi | And maybe we can have another off-topic discussion about off-topic discussions going off the topic. |
| 15:55.04 | azeem | I thought that was the final purpose. |
| 15:55.05 | Flimqy | azeem: Dude. take it to #troll |
| 15:55.24 | danbrwn | hey, if you dont want to help the guy then just be silent. Some of you guys are acting like real snobs, using up more bandwidth discussing why this guy should not be allowed to use your bandwidth. come on, move on |
| 15:55.26 | azeem | Flimqy: I'm just judging you by your own standards |
| 15:55.34 | Flimqy | azeem: or maybe #I_dont_know_what_sarcasm_is |
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| 15:55.41 | stew | Flimqy: drop it |
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| 15:55.59 | aidehua | Is !fable referring to the reason why there is a #debian on OFTC and on Freenode? |
| 15:56.28 | Dewi | azeem: There is a very real risk of OT discussion bandwidth being overtaken by "complaining about trivial policy breaches" bandwidth. In fact I think it might already have happened. |
| 15:56.32 | Dewi | Just relax. |
| 15:56.46 | cydork | aidehua: nope it's refering to the problems regarding people coming from other distros here.. |
| 15:57.18 | aidehua | Is it just habit that there are lots of people on the Freenode #debian (despite the "move" to OFTC)? |
| 15:57.20 | azeem | I thought it referred to that problem of bad Debian Developers trying to take over this channel for their own purpose |
| 15:57.22 | Dewi | aidehua: I believe the other one is official... does it have as many people as this one yet? |
| 15:57.36 | cydork | azeem: well :P |
| 15:57.46 | stew | aidehua: no, its referring to why there is no greycat in #debian, nothing to do with oftc |
| 15:57.56 | Dewi | aidehua: I'm actually on both networks but I get quite enough debianspam lurking here |
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| 15:58.39 | abrotman | aidehua: fable refers to the problem of good, sometimes rude people vs polite, sometimes less than knowledgable people |
| 15:58.42 | aidehua | (OFTC:~300, Freenode:~700. So roughly equivalent forum sizes.) |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | !ircrant |
| 15:58.48 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 15:58.50 | abrotman | !hexrant |
| 15:58.52 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:59.19 | rgsteele | So, I'm using m-a a-i to install some package, but it requires the kernel source (or at least the headers) for the currently running kernel. Thing is, I have neither...just the .deb of the kernel... is there any way to derive either from the kernel image in /boot or something? |
| 15:59.55 | aidehua | rgsteele: uncompiling the kernel!?! :) |
| 15:59.56 | stew | rgsteele: you need headers, and no, you can't derrive it from /boot. what does "uname -r" say? did you compile it yourself? |
| 15:59.56 | Azar | rgsteele: defind "some package" |
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| 16:00.13 | Azar | *define |
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| 16:00.42 | grendelson | I'm tellin ya - kernel upgrades ahve become downright easy since the Nvidia oneliner and MA work so well :-)! |
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| 16:00.53 | rgsteele | stew: Yup, it's a hand-crafted kernel. And, the package is the drbd module source...I've backported the Etch version for Sarge. |
| 16:00.59 | abrotman | aidehua: http://apebox.org/index.php?section=six&rant=irc.rant is another read about it |
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| 16:01.01 | grendelson | Now if only OO.o and python were so easy :-( |
| 16:01.15 | rgsteele | I don't want to go grab the version specified by uname -a because there were custom tweaks made to it |
| 16:01.23 | stew | rgsteele: if you no longer have the source for the kernel, you'll have to compile a new one |
| 16:01.33 | aidehua | "greycat"> I encounter this person on other channels and I have to say, it is still highly amusing being shouted at by him/her :) (And enlightening.) |
| 16:01.34 | rgsteele | stew: Aw, boo hiss :) |
| 16:01.40 | aidehua | abrotman: ta |
| 16:01.40 | stew | rgsteele: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 16:02.09 | th1 | does anyone know if anyone have made a fwbuilder 2.1.7 package for Etch? because I need it to set up a bridging fw... |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | isn't there a bridge-utils? |
| 16:03.09 | th1 | abrotman, bridge-utils is there, but I need the fwbuilder with support for physdev and 2.1 is the first to have that |
| 16:03.16 | th1 | the existing one is 2.0 |
| 16:03.23 | abrotman | okay |
| 16:04.32 | rgsteele | stew: Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be too hard to just grab the source, and do a make oldconfig based on the image in /boot |
| 16:04.38 | rgsteele | stew: thanks. |
| 16:06.23 | grendelson | I'm trying to build a kernel module after a new kernel upgrade (2.6.18-686) and I grabbed headers but the script ts telling me that the headers do not match the running kernel |
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| 16:06.45 | grendelson | elrey:/usr/src# cat /proc/version |
| 16:06.45 | grendelson | Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 23 20:49:23 UTC 2006 |
| 16:07.09 | grendelson | ii linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 2.6.18-6 Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celero |
| 16:07.23 | rgsteele | !paste |
| 16:07.23 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:07.25 | grendelson | Not entirely sure what it sees as different? |
| 16:07.30 | aidehua | abrotman: "it's not the angry gurus you want to be throwing out"... Were they thrown out? Or did they just leave for a better way of life? (I thought the latter.) |
| 16:07.44 | abrotman | aidehua: a little of both |
| 16:08.04 | DavidProck1981 | hay if i want to use the command line to make a tar that has many files and sub folders with in subfolders and files in them, what command would i type, |
| 16:08.12 | abrotman | man tar |
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| 16:08.48 | DavidProck1981 | * i want to comperss a Folder that has many files and sub folders with in subfolders and files in them |
| 16:09.04 | DavidProck1981 | plz tell me |
| 16:09.06 | Daveman | Hi Abrotman :) |
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| 16:10.00 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 16:10.10 | Daveman | How are you today, Abrotman? |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | aidehua: are you a DD ? |
| 16:10.15 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm sick |
| 16:10.30 | Daveman | aww, do you have that cold which is going around? :\ |
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| 16:10.51 | aidehua | abrotman: n. I have spent many years in Cambridge UK though, IYSWIM. |
| 16:10.57 | Ronin | Daveman: no he's just sick |
| 16:11.05 | abrotman | Daveman: NFC .. when around a bunch of kids .. tends to happen .. |
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| 16:11.11 | Daveman | Oh, okay... *rolls eyes* |
| 16:11.16 | abrotman | aidehua: oh .. so you're going to go to the DebConf ? |
| 16:11.17 | Daveman | Abrotman, ah :P |
| 16:11.21 | abrotman | Daveman: not my kids! |
| 16:11.31 | Daveman | oh, okay :P |
| 16:11.40 | Daveman | I didn't think you were that much of a pro ;p |
| 16:11.46 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 16:11.48 | aidehua | abrotman: nah: based in London now and far too busy :) |
| 16:11.50 | Daveman | :P |
| 16:11.58 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks, I can't seem to mount my usb floppy drive/disk. `fdisk -l /dev/sda` tells me "Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table". I've got both "vfat" and "msdos" in my /etc/filesystems. Any thoughts? |
| 16:12.07 | abrotman | aidehua: ah ok |
| 16:12.13 | Azar | abrotman: I am free for adoption: be my dad this Christmas! |
| 16:12.15 | abrotman | jazbo2185: sda1 ? |
| 16:12.16 | Daveman | then again, you'd surely have some parenting skills based on your skills here ;p |
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| 16:12.20 | petemc | jazbo2185: floppy disks dont have partition tables |
| 16:12.21 | abrotman | Azar: you live in ca |
| 16:12.24 | Daveman | then again, sanity goes pretty quick |
| 16:12.33 | Azar | abrotman: at least a virtual one |
| 16:12.40 | abrotman | yeah |
| 16:12.42 | aadil | heh |
| 16:12.43 | aidehua | abrotman: I'd stress that I'm about 0.01% as angry and opinionated as the Cambridge DDs I know BTW :) |
| 16:12.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:12.48 | Daveman | :p |
| 16:12.53 | aidehua | (Not wishing to be rude to them :) |
| 16:13.01 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: yeah, sda1 |
| 16:13.03 | abrotman | aidehua: i don't konw any DDs residing in cambridge |
| 16:13.16 | abrotman | though .. i don't really pay attentnion to where they live |
| 16:13.17 | pumpkin0 | jazbo2185: try "sda" |
| 16:13.29 | aadil | DD? |
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| 16:13.47 | abrotman | yeah .. i know where a few live .. not many |
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| 16:13.49 | jazbo2185 | pumpkin0: ive tried sda, sda1 (even sda2 ;) ) |
| 16:13.50 | Azar | DuffyDuck |
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| 16:13.59 | aidehua | aadil: Debian Developer |
| 16:14.04 | petemc | jazbo2185: try sdb , look in dmesg |
| 16:14.10 | aadil | ah ok |
| 16:14.14 | abrotman | !dd |
| 16:14.15 | dpkg | from memory, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 16:14.19 | pumpkin0 | jazbo2185: that is: try "mount /dev/sda /mountpoint". and make sure sda is the right device. |
| 16:14.27 | jazbo2185 | petemc: it |
| 16:14.35 | aadil | i met a debian package maintainer once |
| 16:14.38 | jazbo2185 | petemc: it's sda I checked dmesg |
| 16:14.43 | aadil | he was here on the island for a conference |
| 16:14.48 | aadil | with his oreilly tshirt |
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| 16:14.50 | AndroidData | okok |
| 16:14.57 | aadil | cool guy |
| 16:15.02 | AndroidData | how do I setup a BIND server? is there a quick and EASY tutorial? |
| 16:15.03 | aadil | name's frederic peters |
| 16:15.03 | Azar | :) |
| 16:15.22 | aidehua | aadil: I love the T-shirts that have "debian/rules" written on the back :) |
| 16:15.32 | petemc | AndroidData: apt-get install bind9 will set up a caching name server |
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| 16:15.55 | aadil | aidehua, yes - misprints gets rarer, so it's a collection item |
| 16:15.57 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:15.59 | AndroidData | petemc: did that, but it won't work: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=stargate-online.net |
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| 16:16.16 | chan^ | hey ! |
| 16:16.17 | AndroidData | I don't understand a lot of the errors & how to fix them |
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| 16:16.34 | jazbo2185 | pumpkin0: hmmmm wierd that worked (`mount /dev/sda /media/floppy`) something must be wrong with my /etc/fstab |
| 16:16.37 | petemc | AndroidData: you'll need to do a fair bit of reading |
| 16:16.50 | DavidProck1981 | ok look this is all i got from man tar.......... |
| 16:16.52 | aidehua | I just wondered -- is #debian actually a support channel? Are we OT talking about Debian T-shirts? |
| 16:16.53 | DavidProck1981 | tar -c "Diablo II" "Diablo II.tar" |
| 16:17.02 | pumpkin0 | jazbo2185: post it to a pastebin ... |
| 16:17.05 | chan^ | I have a confussion between the stable and unstable version of debian |
| 16:17.06 | AndroidData | petemc: read what? |
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| 16:17.14 | chan^ | which one is the stable one to download ? |
| 16:17.20 | Ronin | chan^: umm stable of course |
| 16:17.28 | aadil | heh |
| 16:17.28 | petemc | AndroidData: one of the many hits google would have for debian bind9 how to |
| 16:17.43 | chan^ | Ronin, ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Debian-CD/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ is this the stable download iso`s ? |
| 16:17.45 | AndroidData | petemc: tried that, but they're all confusing |
| 16:17.50 | Kerr | is there a guific fdisk i can use to make a 150gb ext3 partition on my new 250gb hdc ? fdisk is giving me partitions i can't mount. |
| 16:17.50 | pumpkin0 | chan^: stable = sarge, testing = etch, unstable = sid. Do not use sid unless you know your way. |
| 16:18.23 | chan^ | I just wanna try it out.. I tried Etch with graphical installer.. It was nice |
| 16:18.29 | petemc | AndroidData: well, it may take a while to get your head round it, theres no shortcuts tho, you need to be patient and stick at it |
| 16:18.31 | chan^ | I want to download Etch .. |
| 16:18.36 | petemc | AndroidData: or pay someone to do it for you... |
| 16:18.41 | chan^ | so that would be version .. |
| 16:18.42 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: 1. partition, then formant, lastly mount ... ? |
| 16:18.44 | chan^ | 3.> |
| 16:19.00 | Azar | AndroidData: if you need a howto installation: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_bind9_master_slave_system |
| 16:19.23 | chan^ | pumpkin0, which version is Etch 3.1 ? |
| 16:19.42 | chan^ | what`s the versioning scheme ? |
| 16:19.44 | pumpkin0 | chan^: 3.1 = sarge = stable. |
| 16:19.50 | chan^ | etch ? |
| 16:19.56 | aadil | 4? |
| 16:20.00 | jazbo2185 | pumpkin0: I have a feeling I'm not managing my fstab very well but here it is... http://channels.debian.net/paste/4625 |
| 16:20.06 | pumpkin0 | chan^: testing = 4 = etch |
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| 16:20.37 | chan^ | there is no 4 in that ftp site |
| 16:20.48 | Dewi | chan^: etch isn't finished yet |
| 16:20.55 | Ronin | chan^: then get stable and update to etch |
| 16:21.03 | pumpkin0 | jazbo2185: change "/dev/sda1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" into "/dev/sda /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" ==> it´s not sda1, sda. |
| 16:21.09 | Dewi | Ronin: actually maybe the rc-1 installer would be better? |
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| 16:21.19 | maxamillion | if i were to install debian as a server simply to host a windows share via samba, would it be difficult to configure samba to work just like the windows shares already on the win2k3 servers at work? |
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| 16:21.41 | pumpkin0 | maxamillion: no |
| 16:21.42 | chan^ | what is the kernel in sid ? |
| 16:21.48 | maxamillion | i am not familiar with mixed networks ... only ever used linux for personal needs |
| 16:21.51 | abrotman | maxamillion: depends on authentication .. some of that can be a bitch |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | maxamillion: but usually no |
| 16:22.06 | pumpkin0 | chan^: the kernel in sid is ... uhm ... changing ? |
| 16:22.13 | abrotman | chan^: 2.6.18 |
| 16:22.14 | chan^ | 2.6 ? |
| 16:22.15 | Dewi | chan^: you can install the 3.1 version and upgrade to etch, but etch has a release candidate installer of its own here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:22.16 | stew | chan^: 2.6.18 |
| 16:22.17 | chan^ | Oh..ok |
| 16:22.28 | chan^ | i need it to support my usb modem |
| 16:22.42 | stew | chan^: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:22.43 | pumpkin0 | chan^: etch is at 2.6.17. |
| 16:22.46 | chan^ | I think i have a 3.1 dvd |
| 16:22.47 | Dewi | chan^: does your USB modem a hardware modem? |
| 16:22.53 | Dewi | is, I mean |
| 16:22.58 | stew | chan^: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:23.00 | abrotman | engrish |
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| 16:23.04 | chan^ | yes its a external modem |
| 16:23.15 | chan^ | i don`t have debian installed |
| 16:23.16 | Dewi | chan^: but does it have signal processing hardware |
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| 16:23.25 | maxamillion | abrotman, pumpkin0: awesome, thanks .... my boss asked me to look into building a networked storage server for employee file sharing and i really want to get some linux on the network so i found this to be opportune... just never done much mixing and matching of platforms .... you have both been very helpful, thank you :) |
| 16:23.28 | Dewi | chan^: or does it rely on proprietary software to do anything useful? |
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| 16:23.31 | Dewi | abrotman: nooooooo :( |
| 16:23.33 | chan^ | Dewi, I dont know that |
| 16:23.56 | chan^ | It works with ubuntu Hoary though and fedora 3 and above |
| 16:23.59 | pumpkin0 | chan^: is it the very, very cheap thing that comes with a huge and CPU-hungry driver under windows ? |
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| 16:24.12 | Dewi | chan^: well I guess that sounds promising |
| 16:24.14 | chan^ | Its a external modem |
| 16:24.15 | Kerr | pumpkin0: ah, so after i make the partition (1) on hdc and write the new partition table; sudo mkfs /dev/hdc1 ? |
| 16:24.21 | stew | !tell chan^ about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:24.22 | chan^ | not internal |
| 16:24.31 | Azar | chan^: you can use the stable version of Debian and upgrade to the latest kernel as well, by using backports |
| 16:24.43 | Dewi | chan^: most external modems have more internal parts (software) than the old internal ones did. External and internal have no meaning. |
| 16:24.55 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: yes, formating a newly created partition helps. (it´s mkfs.ext3 or wahtever you want to use) |
| 16:25.01 | chan^ | mine is an ADSL2+modem |
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| 16:25.14 | Dewi | chan^: they will work with any kernel |
| 16:25.14 | GooE | in cron what does this mean */5 * * * * mycmd |
| 16:25.19 | Dewi | chan^: from the last decade or so |
| 16:25.21 | GooE | every 5 min? |
| 16:25.22 | stew | GooE: man 5 crontab |
| 16:25.28 | SpeedyG | ew, usb-dsl modems :( |
| 16:25.30 | Dewi | chan^: oh, except for the USB thing |
| 16:25.41 | chan^ | what about that ? |
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| 16:25.53 | Dewi | chan^: well, that makes it complex. Not many people have USB DSL modems, thankfully |
| 16:26.01 | dpm | does anyone know what exactly 'apt-get source' does after having downloaded a package's sources? If I understand it correctly. it first unpackages the source tarball and it then applies the downloaded *diff.gz. Is that right? |
| 16:26.05 | Dewi | chan^: but if FC3 and ubuntu have you covered then etch probably will |
| 16:26.11 | GooE | how do i make it run Five minutes past the hour every hour. |
| 16:26.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:26.22 | chan^ | my modem supports network cards but I don`t have a network card so I connect via usb |
| 16:26.28 | stew | GooE: 5 * * * * |
| 16:26.37 | pumpkin0 | chan^: are you from germany or luxemburg ? |
| 16:26.45 | chan^ | none why ? |
| 16:26.53 | stew | dpm: it runs "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" which does what you describe in most cases |
| 16:27.05 | Dewi | chan^: network cards are cheap |
| 16:27.14 | Dewi | chan^: very very cheap |
| 16:27.22 | chan^ | anyway I will download the unstable then.. its sure to support and plus its bleeding edge .. |
| 16:27.24 | dpm | oh, I see, thanks stew. |
| 16:27.28 | Dewi | chan^: in fact every motherboard I've bought in about 7 years has had one... |
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| 16:27.36 | Ronin | chan^: can you fix it WHEN it breaks? |
| 16:27.43 | pumpkin0 | chan^: it is "traditional" in these two countries to give people a USB-DSL modem if they sign for 1-2 years. These things are worthless. |
| 16:27.46 | chan^ | ya.. i can |
| 16:27.54 | pumpkin0 | !sid |
| 16:27.54 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:28.12 | pumpkin0 | chan^: sure ? |
| 16:28.23 | chan^ | Yup |
| 16:28.30 | jazbo2185 | pumpkin0: thanks. It's kind of a pain to have to remember which of my usb storage devices are sda, sda1 or sda2. Is there a "debian way" to automate this so I can just `mount /media/usb/` and have it mount the proper sda, sda1 or sda2 for the device? |
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| 16:28.45 | chan^ | pumpkin0, what do u use ? |
| 16:29.16 | pumpkin0 | chan^: since i need a working system w/o major breakdowns every 3-4 weeks: etch. |
| 16:29.32 | chan^ | i am only going to use it on a home pc for surfing the net and listening to music |
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| 16:29.48 | Kerr | pumpkin0: i bought this drive because my hda has errors, i want to copy it's data over before it dies, so assuming the dying drive is at /home/media and the new drive is at /home/new, i cp /home/media /home/new -R |
| 16:29.49 | pumpkin0 | jazbo2185: there are several automounters you can use to do this. |
| 16:29.50 | Dewi | chan^: so why break your own back setting up an operating system labelled unstable? |
| 16:30.00 | chan^ | plus my exams just got over and i am on holidays so .. i have all the time |
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| 16:30.03 | Ronin | chan^: then go get sarge or etch |
| 16:30.06 | Kerr | pumpkin0: i wouldn't usually ask such basic questions, but i don't want to kill 80gb of my stuff. |
| 16:30.10 | maxamillion | oh, sorry ... also ment to ask before, is there any big advantage of using aptitude over apt-get or vis-versa? |
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| 16:30.23 | stew | maxamillion: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 16:30.28 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: "cp -a old new" (the -a will save you a bit of trouble) |
| 16:30.31 | maxamillion | stew: thanks |
| 16:30.32 | chan^ | Etch is testing right .. Fine I will use etch |
| 16:30.37 | chan^ | link please |
| 16:30.38 | aadil | Oo |
| 16:30.41 | Dewi | roll eyes |
| 16:30.43 | Kerr | pumpkin0: thanks :) |
| 16:30.44 | Ronin | chan^: www.debian.org |
| 16:30.48 | Dewi | chan^: you're kidding right. Stop wasting our time |
| 16:30.52 | Dewi | chan^: I gave you a link about 10 minutes ago |
| 16:30.54 | aadil | i thought etch breaks more than sid? |
| 16:30.54 | chan^ | Fine.. |
| 16:30.56 | stew | chan^: debian.org, click on "getting debian" |
| 16:31.21 | stew | aadil: testing breaks less often, but when it does, it's often broken for a longer period of time |
| 16:31.23 | chan^ | how many cds do i need for just gnome |
| 16:31.27 | stew | chan^: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 16:31.31 | chan^ | 2 should do right ? |
| 16:31.41 | Dewi | chan^: why wouldn't 1 do? |
| 16:31.48 | Dewi | gnome is bloated but it's not that bloated |
| 16:31.50 | aadil | ah oki stew |
| 16:31.59 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: you could use dd to copy the whole thing including old, deleted stuff. That way the copy will also get things that are lost the other way round. (if the HD is realy dying: try to get a dd copy. It may be very helpfull later) |
| 16:32.04 | Neaai | hello all. There is now 2 days I can't get to have my Debian bootable after installing on a scsii drive. My current setup is 2 ide drives on the secondary controller (to be soft-raid-ed) and the scsii (/dev/sda) where the system will be installed |
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| 16:32.29 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: what´s the error-msg ? |
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| 16:32.41 | Dewi | goodnight guys, I'm taking my grumpy personage to bed. |
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| 16:32.48 | Dewi | sleep nicely yourselves :) |
| 16:32.50 | chan^ | Dewi, 1 should do ? |
| 16:32.55 | Neaai | After installing is done and it reboots into the system, grub displays: Error 15, file not found" and it means the /vmlinuz-2.6.17 |
| 16:33.00 | stew | chan^: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 16:33.07 | chan^ | Ok. then i will download one |
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| 16:33.10 | Dewi | chan^: debian has no problems adding stuff over the net |
| 16:33.21 | Dewi | chan^: you'll spend a lot less bandwidth just installing what you need |
| 16:33.34 | Dewi | chan^: than downloading numbers of CDs to use just once |
| 16:33.35 | chan^ | I have only 9- 8 free |
| 16:33.42 | Neaai | pumpkin0: that's the message I get ... |
| 16:33.44 | chan^ | Its better i download |
| 16:34.10 | grendelson | How can I get the kernel versiona nd kernel headers to match? I've tried both 2.6.18-3-686 and 2.6.17-2-686 for both linux-image and linux-headers and each time my module building fails since the headers and running kernel do mot match (currently gettig an error -The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same |
| 16:34.10 | grendelson | address space size as your running kernel.) |
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| 16:34.17 | chan^ | there isn`t a 4 at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 16:34.21 | Dewi | chan^: this 100mb CD is probably all you need to get started with etch: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:34.55 | jazbo2185 | pumpkin0: cool thanks! `apt-cache search auto mount` gotta love apt-cache search |
| 16:35.01 | Neaai | chan^: that's what I just just did, netinst :) |
| 16:35.02 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: follow that guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml If that does not work, come back. |
| 16:35.13 | Dewi | chan^: but it probably won't have gnome until you get it on the net and able to download more |
| 16:35.15 | jduggan | grendelson: im getting teh same error, grendelson are you using sid? |
| 16:35.15 | chan^ | Fine.. |
| 16:35.19 | Neaai | pumpkin0: ok, I'll do that |
| 16:35.22 | giupy | hi all |
| 16:35.25 | grendelson | jduggan, testing |
| 16:35.52 | grendelson | I do have sid as a source but pinned at testing. Its possible I'm pulling in sid sources thougn 0 that's whyI feel back to 2.6.17 |
| 16:35.59 | chan^ | is gnome on the first cd ? |
| 16:36.03 | Ronin | chan^: yes |
| 16:36.05 | pumpkin0 | grendelson: "... same address space .... " ? AMD64 ? |
| 16:36.17 | Dewi | chan^: it might not be on the netinst, but it would be on the first full CD |
| 16:36.18 | chan^ | Fine.. Thanks guys |
| 16:36.21 | grendelson | pumpkin0, No I have a PIII I believe |
| 16:36.32 | jduggan | grendelson: aah, well either way, its a pain, im trying to build a module for vmware-tools but it's failing with such errors |
| 16:36.33 | Dewi | chan^: full CDs here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:36.34 | chan^ | I am downloading the 1st cd alone |
| 16:36.38 | chan^ | Etch rc1 |
| 16:36.40 | Neaai | chan^: most probably it is |
| 16:36.45 | chan^ | I got it |
| 16:36.46 | Neaai | chan^: on the 1st ced |
| 16:36.47 | chan^ | Thanks |
| 16:36.49 | Neaai | cd* |
| 16:36.51 | Ronin | or it was the last time i installed it |
| 16:36.56 | grendelson | jduggan, Same I was trying to get my vmware runnign again after last upgrade. |
| 16:36.59 | stew | chan^: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 16:37.00 | dpm | I'm not on a Debian system right now and therefore I cannot use 'apt-get source', but I'd like to download the sources of a package. Is there an URL where I can download package sources? |
| 16:37.01 | chan^ | Hmmm... |
| 16:37.02 | pumpkin0 | grendelson: what kernel DO you run (uname -a) |
| 16:37.14 | grendelson | Linux elrey.jjn.com 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:37.21 | chan^ | stew, I did that.. i don`t have jidgo |
| 16:37.22 | grendelson | but I also tried 2.6.18-3 |
| 16:37.25 | grendelson | -686 |
| 16:37.28 | Ronin | chan^: then dont use it |
| 16:37.37 | Ronin | theres also ftp, http etc |
| 16:37.39 | pumpkin0 | grendelson: it´s -686-SMP for you ... |
| 16:37.39 | stew | chan^: doesn't matter, it tells you where you can figure out exactly which cd contains gnome |
| 16:37.42 | chan^ | when will etch be released ? |
| 16:37.46 | stew | chan^: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 16:37.49 | jduggan | grendelson: is it the vmware-tools module that fails the build? |
| 16:37.50 | grendelson | pumpkin0, No I dont have SMP |
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| 16:38.04 | jazbo2185 | dpm: debian.org? |
| 16:38.12 | grendelson | jduggan, it wont get that far since it fails asking me for linux header path. |
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| 16:38.15 | pumpkin0 | grendelson: you are running a SMP-Kernel, so the system thinks you have SMP. |
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| 16:38.20 | Kerr | pumpkin0: the hd is my old sarge install; some files debian seemed to like got scribbled over by a nasty psu-blowing brownout. I left it and liked it's home dir to /home/media on my current install, been using it as a filedump. I set it to remount as read only if it got errors, and decided to go ro last week. I just want my archives of tv series, and music off before it kicks the bucket :) |
| 16:38.21 | stew | dpm: packages.debian.org/packagename |
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| 16:38.44 | grendelson | pumpkin0, I saw the #1 SMP but assumed that the SMP kernel ran both single and multi - I only have 1 processor |
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| 16:38.50 | jduggan | grendelson: nod, that's my problem, some people believe it's a problem relating with debian |
| 16:38.55 | grendelson | I never manually chose an SMP kernel |
| 16:39.08 | rgsteele | woohoo, my backport works |
| 16:39.19 | jduggan | smp kernel shouldnt be a problem since both the headers and kernel image are of the same |
| 16:39.57 | grendelson | jduggan, I assumes as much - if I grabbed both the exact same kernel and header I assumed they would match - but somehow they end up different after installation |
| 16:40.03 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: that does not sound like a dead HD, more like a f**ked ext3. maybe you can reuse the HD after formating it again. You can check the HD more closely with smartctl (non-destructive) or badblock (deletes everything) |
| 16:40.15 | Neaai | pumpkin0: regarding that GRUB error message "file not found".... how is it possible? in a fresh install, it can't find the kernel? |
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| 16:40.35 | Kerr | pumpkin0: yeah |
| 16:40.41 | Neaai | pumpkin0: i have installed debian several.. many many times... but this? |
| 16:40.53 | Kerr | on the cp -a, this thing is dropping (useless) filesl ike crazy: |
| 16:40.56 | Kerr | cp: cannot stat `/media/hda1/home/kerr/crap/tar/zip_files': Input/output error |
| 16:41.02 | jazbo2185 | Is it actually bad to unplug a mounted usb drive? assuming you're not running anything off of it? |
| 16:41.16 | jduggan | grendelson: unless they are packaged incorrectly?, grendelson, perhaps its worth building your own kernel from source |
| 16:41.26 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: grub has troubles with your SCSI-controller (or SATA). It may be installed in one of the IDE-drives and booting from there hides the SCSI ... |
| 16:41.35 | grendelson | jduggan, Gosh tI gave that up years ago... |
| 16:41.37 | grendelson | :-) |
| 16:41.54 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: stop the copy and check the HD with smartctl. Something is broken badly. |
| 16:42.08 | Kerr | pumpkin0: wouldn't i/0 errors mean it's the drive's and not the partition's fault? |
| 16:42.27 | jduggan | grendelson: might be worth just for a test, if the build fails with new kernel headers you know its a vmware issue |
| 16:42.28 | Kerr | dpkg: smartctl |
| 16:42.28 | dpkg | [smartctl] a S.M.A.R.T. tool to diagnose IDE harddrives. xk says not to use it (ask him about the story). |
| 16:42.41 | dpm | stew: ok, I hadn't seen you could also select "Source package names" there. Sorry for the noise |
| 16:42.43 | Kerr | O.o |
| 16:42.47 | pumpkin0 | grendelson: the system compares the running kernel with the headers. You run SMP and have the non-SMP headers. guess what happens. |
| 16:42.53 | grendelson | jduggan, Right - when I have a few hours to kill I will defiently try - but for now I need to get back to work :-) |
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| 16:43.07 | Neaai | pumpkin0: how do I make sure I have the master boot record wiped out? (i assume the master boot record to be "the boot record of the first hd, a.k.a one of my ide hd-s) |
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| 16:43.13 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: if the partition is broken badly it can produce IO-errors too. |
| 16:43.16 | grendelson | pumpkin0, I thought so but I manually shose a regular NON SMP kernel... |
| 16:43.22 | Kerr | i think i have S.M.A.R.T disabled (in the bios options) .. would that make a difference to trying to use smartctl? |
| 16:43.37 | stew | dpm: if you know the source package name, you can go to http://packages.debian.org/src:sourcepackagename |
| 16:43.37 | grendelson | The pacakge descriptions are identical - no SMP in either of them! |
| 16:43.48 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: one more option to add to the smartctl-prog ... |
| 16:43.59 | pumpkin0 | grendelson: and the kernel you are running ? |
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| 16:44.09 | dpm | stew: ok, thanks |
| 16:44.18 | stew | grendelson: as of 2.6.17, all debian kernels are smp |
| 16:44.24 | grendelson | ii linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 16:44.37 | jduggan | stew: which means all the headers are SMP |
| 16:44.42 | stew | jduggan: yes |
| 16:44.44 | jduggan | which means pumpkin0 is talkin rubbish to you grendelson |
| 16:44.55 | grendelson | stew - THats what I assumed - my initial test was 2.6.18 then I grabbed the generic virtual 2.6-686 that install 2.6.17-2! |
| 16:45.13 | Kerr | pumpkin0: the cp is going along quietly now, it only seemed to have 'cannot stat foo' in my old (unused) home dir. Will it be safe to leave it to finish? |
| 16:45.29 | jduggan | grendelson: best bet is to build your own kernel if that still fails its probably down to vmware |
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| 16:45.37 | grendelson | jduggan, Right |
| 16:45.43 | grendelson | Aww heck |
| 16:45.51 | Azar | the way I read, all kernels will be unified (SMP/non-SMP) and the system will detect and apply the right one? |
| 16:45.51 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: "save" is realtive. It is better to get off data now then wait for it to die. |
| 16:45.51 | grendelson | I dont even want to veture there... |
| 16:45.56 | grendelson | MAybe later... |
| 16:46.08 | Karamon | If I want to get the md5sum of plain text (not in a file) how can I do that with the md5sum command? |
| 16:46.33 | Kerr | to rephrase: i was using /media/hda1/home/media linked to /home/media .. /media/hda1/home/kerr is where it's not able to stat a dozen or so files |
| 16:46.36 | pumpkin0 | Karamon: echo "text" | md5sum |
| 16:46.36 | stew | Karamon: echo "some text" | md5sum |
| 16:46.41 | Karamon | ty |
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| 16:47.11 | stew | Karamon: however if you are using echo, you may want echo -n |
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| 16:47.47 | Karamon | stew: That gives me a > prompt, how do I use this? |
| 16:47.48 | ringo999 | does anoyne use etch with xfce4? how can i paste text into the terminal? |
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| 16:47.59 | stew | Karamon: you left off a " |
| 16:48.05 | Kerr | pumpkin0: From the looks of the unstatable files, they are all pre-brownout stuff |
| 16:48.06 | Karamon | stew: Silly me ;) |
| 16:48.07 | stew | Karamon: (or something). hit ctrl-c and try again |
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| 16:48.38 | Karamon | stew: What does =n do? I got different hashes with the different option |
| 16:48.39 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: errors do not target files by date ... |
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| 16:48.54 | Karamon | stew: -n rather |
| 16:48.56 | diomede | there is some irish girl here? |
| 16:48.59 | stew | Karamon: -n says dont add a trailing newline |
| 16:49.11 | stew | diomede: keep it on-topic |
| 16:49.12 | Karamon | stew: thanks |
| 16:49.24 | diomede | sorry |
| 16:49.40 | Kerr | pumpkin0: I know, i was trying to imply that the errors have been there a while |
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| 16:49.54 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.55 | Kerr | smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T. |
| 16:50.02 | Kerr | so i need to install that? |
| 16:50.14 | Kerr | or is it the wrong package? |
| 16:50.18 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: yes, that´s for reading the SMART status HD. |
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| 16:51.20 | saltia | hi... |
| 16:51.22 | Kerr | pumpkin0: :/ |
| 16:51.37 | Kerr | pumpkin0: yes to needing to install that package, or yes to it being wrong? |
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| 16:52.19 | grendelson | jduggan, a Very funny thing - ran vmplayer install and it runs flawlessly (and its configure script finds full path to headers no the soft link?) |
| 16:52.25 | Inifnite | I can not get php4 to play with apache. I have done an apt-get install apache apache-common php4 php4-common libapache-mod-php4 but, when I go to load a .php page, the server doesn't parse it.... |
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| 16:52.52 | saltia | why my debian has transfer speed with a local virtual machine (window$$ XP) 4Kb?? Any help?? |
| 16:53.15 | pumpkin0 | Inifnite: you need to change the httpd.conf and include php. |
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| 16:53.38 | Inifnite | pumpkin0: I have done that. |
| 16:53.38 | Azar | hehehe o/t /. got bitten by a joke |
| 16:53.38 | Inifnite | pumpkin0: And restarted apache |
| 16:53.38 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: yes, install that package. |
| 16:53.52 | pumpkin0 | Inifnite: put your config into a pastebin |
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| 16:54.55 | Neaai | is there anyway to deliberatly wipe the master boor record? Any dd trick ? |
| 16:55.03 | Hipska | hi all |
| 16:55.14 | djace | heya |
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| 16:55.35 | pumpkin0 | !tell Neaai about mbr |
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| 16:55.43 | Hipska | !help |
| 16:55.47 | Inifnite | pumpkin0: I sent you a PM. |
| 16:55.58 | rgsteele | Inifnite: Don't PM. |
| 16:56.01 | djace | vmware installation is asking for the directory with the init directories (rc0.d ...), didn't they use to be in /etc ? |
| 16:56.10 | pumpkin0 | Inifnite: you need to register in freenode before you can send PMs. |
| 16:56.16 | rgsteele | Inifnite: Also, check out the topic |
| 16:56.18 | Neaai | dpkg: pumpkin0: how do I reply back ? |
| 16:56.20 | pumpkin0 | Inifnite: read: i didn´t get it. |
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| 16:56.34 | Inifnite | Ah yes. |
| 16:57.04 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: dpkg is a bot, you can only ask questions ... use /msg dpkg help |
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| 16:57.05 | Inifnite | Well, I have the lines that say how it wants apache to handle PHP |
| 16:57.05 | Inifnite | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 16:57.09 | rgsteele | Inifnite: So, what exactly happens when you visit the php page? |
| 16:57.10 | Neaai | pumpkin0: ok thank you |
| 16:57.10 | Inifnite | and the same for phps. |
| 16:57.21 | saltia | any help for my? --> why my debian has a transfer speed with a local virtual machine (window$$ XP) just 4Kb?? |
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| 16:57.51 | Inifnite | rgsteele: http://osodoor.com:8888/phpsysinfo/ |
| 16:57.55 | Inifnite | It just downloads the php file. |
| 16:58.30 | rgsteele | I can't even connect to that server |
| 16:58.45 | Inifnite | Should work. |
| 16:58.55 | Inifnite | Works for me, and I'm not on the same network as it. |
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| 16:59.09 | rgsteele | I time out every time |
| 16:59.15 | Inifnite | rgsteele: Can you get to www.osodoor.com |
| 16:59.17 | Inifnite | ? |
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| 16:59.27 | rgsteele | Yup |
| 16:59.40 | Inifnite | It's on the same connection... |
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| 16:59.48 | Inifnite | http://osodoor.com:8888 |
| 16:59.51 | Inifnite | Can you connect to that? |
| 17:00.17 | rgsteele | Yep |
| 17:00.36 | Inifnite | phpsysinfo is just a subfolder in that dir. |
| 17:00.59 | rgsteele | Yeah, connects fine now. |
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| 17:01.21 | Inifnite | It doesn't load the page. It just tries to have you download it. |
| 17:01.37 | Neaai | pumpkin0: if I had configured both my ide disks into a soft-raid during install, now that I'd will to clean the master boot, is that hdc record or both hdc and hdd? (my ide reside both at the secondary ide-channel of the controller) |
| 17:01.40 | rgsteele | What relevant packages are installed? |
| 17:02.02 | Inifnite | apache, apache-common, php4, php4-common, libapache-mod-php4 |
| 17:02.11 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: hdc and hdd |
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| 17:02.47 | djace | is there some way to have rc?.d directories for compatibility? |
| 17:02.57 | rgsteele | Those are the necessary packages. I think it's an Apache config issue. Check #apache |
| 17:03.24 | Inifnite | Strange. I did the same thing on my main debian server, and it just worked. |
| 17:03.47 | Neaai | pumpkin0: so I give twice install-mbr, once /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd ? |
| 17:04.05 | rgsteele | Inifnite: diff the apache configs |
| 17:04.16 | rgsteele | vimdiff 'em, even |
| 17:04.28 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: right |
| 17:04.54 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: (i would install grub, but that´s up to you) |
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| 17:05.37 | Neaai | pumpkin0: I did install grub there, it remained hanging with a completely blank screen and only a cursor pulsating |
| 17:06.36 | pumpkin0 | Neaai: do you know for sure which HD the BIOS is booting ? |
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| 17:08.38 | Neaai | pumpkin0: I've cheched the bios and the order I put there is scsii first. Then I created a small, 300M partition for /boot, and made that active. The / goes at the rest of the scsii (swap asside) and then both the ide-s, i soft raid1 them and then plan to use at /usr/local |
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| 17:14.42 | ringo999 | anybody here having opengroupware installed under debian? how did you install it? |
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| 17:15.46 | earthian | hello |
| 17:16.19 | earthian | mu clock when i click on it shows a calendor of current month. however the 1st day of a week is sunday. that is bullshit. how to i fix this bug? |
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| 17:17.36 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 17:17.57 | earthian | Ronin, you are wrong :( |
| 17:18.06 | sng | earthian: No. He's not. :) |
| 17:18.12 | earthian | he is.. |
| 17:18.32 | Ronin | earthian: wouldnt be the first time but i'm pretty sure every calendar ive ever seen starts with a sunday on the week |
| 17:18.46 | sng | earthian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday |
| 17:18.55 | Ronin | in any case shouldnt there be a properties etc for the calander where you set it? |
| 17:18.55 | earthian | Ronin, i think all your calendars (and probably country) is wrong |
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| 17:19.14 | Ronin | earthian: well thats a bit of an exageration |
| 17:19.21 | Ronin | more likely your country is wrong :) |
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| 17:19.30 | earthian | my country is elder than yours :P |
| 17:19.34 | blondie | calendars here start with monday |
| 17:19.43 | earthian | blondie, \o/ |
| 17:19.52 | blondie | though it does vary |
| 17:19.54 | Ronin | another backwards place blondie ;) |
| 17:19.55 | earthian | at least someone from my part of the works |
| 17:20.04 | earthian | world* |
| 17:20.06 | Ronin | serioulsy earthian isnt there a properties or some such? |
| 17:20.21 | Ronin | i know in evolution they give you the option |
| 17:20.24 | earthian | i cant see them |
| 17:20.24 | earthian | :S |
| 17:20.26 | tralala | earthian, check your internationalization/localization settings |
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| 17:20.44 | earthian | thanks tralala |
| 17:21.02 | blondie | the locale settings annoy me... I don't want DD/MM/YYYY for short dates but that's what the system decides I shall have for en_GB |
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| 17:23.38 | earthian | tralala, where do i find those internationalization/localization settings? they are not in Desktop->Preferences nor in Desktop->Administration nor in Applications->system tools |
| 17:23.39 | earthian | :S |
| 17:23.41 | jastarafi | I'll find out |
| 17:24.33 | jooopyme | How do I let sed use shell variabels? echo "heyjoe" | TEMPE=heyyou sed "s/heyjoe/${TEMPE}/g" |
| 17:25.07 | Habbie | that should work |
| 17:25.12 | tralala | earthian, kde, gnome, something else? |
| 17:25.22 | gcbirzan | jooopyme: Use export |
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| 17:25.48 | Habbie | oh, right, that shouldn't work - use export indeed |
| 17:26.01 | earthian | gnome |
| 17:26.12 | Ronin | gnome control? |
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| 17:26.33 | jharrison | how to fix no public keys available in apt-get? |
| 17:26.39 | Ronin | jharrison: /topic |
| 17:26.44 | jharrison | dpkg told me how last time but I forgot |
| 17:26.46 | jharrison | ah |
| 17:26.52 | jharrison | I fogot topic too |
| 17:26.53 | jharrison | oh well |
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| 17:35.29 | PaSurf | I am having issues installing Debian Sarge on a system with an external scsi device. The system recognizes it, and loads the drivers but when the system kicks the cd out and reboots I get errors such as "trying to boot off drive c:" and also lots of 99's. WHen I disconnect the device the problem goes away. What would cause this? |
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| 17:37.17 | lunitik | PaSurf, The installed kernel is not the same as the install media's kernel... are you installing with linux26 by chance (more likely to get things working using this option...) |
| 17:37.24 | lunitik | !d-i |
| 17:37.24 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 17:37.41 | lunitik | Also the testing images listed in the above may come in handy :) |
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| 17:38.47 | lunitik | (Generally, its safe to assume newer kernels have better support for hardware...) |
| 17:39.00 | PaSurf | lunitik: Yes, using linux26 on install. |
| 17:39.03 | ascii | morning to all you beautiful ppl |
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| 17:39.41 | ascii | hey, unstable has a new public key? |
| 17:39.59 | lunitik | PaSurf, that is still only 2.6.8 ... which is pretty old... the testing images would install 2.6.17 or .18 currently (depending on if you go with the RC1 or daily builds...) |
| 17:40.16 | PaSurf | lunitik: the device does show up in the partition section of install, and I format it as ext3. BTW - This is a external raid array. |
| 17:40.23 | lunitik | ascii, /topic |
| 17:40.59 | tralala | PaSurf, is the computer capable of booting from the external raid? |
| 17:41.05 | PaSurf | lunitik: I was trying to compile the kernel with 2.6.8.18 but I had lilo installed and it was causing issues |
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| 17:42.11 | PaSurf | tralala: not sure. the device was formated completely and in the partition setup I did not mark as bootable. This device is a stand alone device which basically has its own controller ... Its a raidking raid array |
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| 17:44.23 | PaSurf | Funny thing is the drivers (which I was going to add when I compiled the new kernal) gets installed on install along with ethernet card drivers and such. Not sure if its the way the device is formated? Maybe I just need to unhookk the device then compile the new kernel (.18) and then reconnect device? Or is that the easy way out? :) |
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| 17:45.23 | AndroidData | hi. |
| 17:45.36 | PaSurf | lunitik: I dl the new (I think) rc from debian site. I assume the .17 - .18 are still not considered stable for debian? |
| 17:45.44 | AndroidData | I accidentally wiped out my resolv.conf file, and I'm on a shell. Now the DNS is on the fritz and it can't find anything. Is there a command to regenerate the resolv.conf file? |
| 17:46.09 | lunitik | PaSurf: No. |
| 17:46.17 | earthian | where is the openoffice irc channel with many ppl? |
| 17:46.19 | stew | AndroidData: do you use dhcp? |
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| 17:46.33 | earthian | how do i copy/paste text from a link from webbrowser? |
| 17:46.48 | AndroidData | stew: yes. |
| 17:47.00 | stew | AndroidData: dhclient |
| 17:47.02 | ofer1 | earthian, #openoffice.org |
| 17:47.04 | earthian | there is no such paste sepcial -> as plain unformated text like in windows ms excel |
| 17:47.05 | earthian | ah |
| 17:47.06 | earthian | thanks |
| 17:47.58 | AndroidData | uh dhclient just pops DHCPDISCOVER stuff |
| 17:48.10 | AndroidData | and gives me lots of 255.255.255.255 IPs found |
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| 17:48.55 | stew | AndroidData: if you use dhcp, you should get a lease. if you have more than one nic, run "dhclient eth0" for whichever nic you actually want to request a lease from |
| 17:48.58 | ofer1 | AndroidData, do you get any DHCPOFFER ? |
| 17:49.01 | AndroidData | no |
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| 17:49.16 | PaSurf | lunitik: I will try with old kernel then dl new .18 kernel and give it a whirl... |
| 17:49.19 | AndroidData | looks like I'm not using dhcp |
| 17:49.21 | ofer1 | so the DHCP server is fucked, or your eth cards aren't configured properly |
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| 17:50.37 | stew | AndroidData: then you have to recreate resolv.conf by hand |
| 17:50.49 | AndroidData | how do I flush dns? |
| 17:50.52 | Danielss89 | hi, is it possible to get the server to install all the necc. packages needed for another package?... i want to install php4-gd but it needs a lot of packages, is there a way to install all of these at the same time? |
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| 17:51.12 | Varange | hi all. |
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| 17:51.31 | Varange | I want to use cifs to mount SMB shares. How do I install it? |
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| 17:53.04 | stew | Varange: aptitude install smbfs |
| 17:53.11 | ascii | lunitik: thx |
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| 17:54.16 | Danielss89 | hi, is it possible to get the server to install all the necc. packages needed for another package?... i want to install php4-gd but it needs a lot of packages, is there a way to install all of these at the same time? |
| 17:54.39 | Ronin | Danielss89: apt-get install or aptitude install |
| 17:54.48 | stew | Danielss89: "apt-get install php4-gd" |
| 17:55.06 | nwf | Hello all. Does anybody here have experience with vservers? In particular with vhashify? |
| 17:55.23 | Danielss89 | yeah, but it doesnt install it becouse a lot of other packages isnt installed stew... |
| 17:55.28 | Varange | stew, did that |
| 17:55.51 | Varange | oops, not really. Installed samba. one mo please |
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| 17:56.01 | Ronin | Danielss89: paste your sources.list to pastebin.ca please |
| 17:56.02 | stew | Danielss89: show us the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:56.03 | Danielss89 | can i do something so all the packages are installed at the same time, so i doesnt hve to install 100 different packages just to get php4-gd to work? |
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| 17:56.20 | Danielss89 | okey 2 secs.. |
| 17:56.21 | stew | Danielss89: "apt-get install php4-gd" should do exactly that |
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| 17:57.05 | Danielss89 | stew http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2462 |
| 17:57.09 | Xnerd | Hi everyone. Is there a apt security source for unstable? |
| 17:57.16 | Ronin | Xnerd: no |
| 17:57.53 | stew | Danielss89: you can't mix stable and non-stable |
| 17:57.53 | stew | Danielss89: what version of does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
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| 17:58.09 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.42 | Xnerd | Ronin: ups. Running naked. lol. ok. Does clamav make realtime file check? |
| 17:58.49 | solars | hey, is there a tool that prints the status of a mailbox eg. 2/7 or so (2 new of 7 mails) |
| 17:58.50 | dn4 | what is a good math program for debian that can do logs, trig., exponential functions, factoring of complex polynomials to the nth power |
| 17:59.00 | stew | Danielss89: so you are running testing, but you only partially upgraded to testing, "/msg dpkg stable->testing" for instructions on how to upgrade fully to testing |
| 17:59.02 | Ronin | Xnerd: unstable gets updates so quickly |
| 17:59.12 | stew | Danielss89: however if this is an internet facing server you should consider reinstalling stable |
| 17:59.29 | cureless | solars: apt-cache search biff |
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| 17:59.59 | Ronin | Xnerd: cant say, i run clamav on my mta but i compiled it just cause im a sadist |
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| 18:00.04 | Xnerd | Ronin: can i add a security line to my sources.list, say for testing? or will thar screw up apt work? |
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| 18:00.07 | roe_ | stew: isn't the testing of today just the stable of tomorrow |
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| 18:00.22 | Danielss89 | stew yes it is used as a internet server for my website, and that only... im very n00bish, and i must have installed something unstable then.. is it hard to reinstall with stable? and will it take long? |
| 18:00.28 | solars | cureless ? biff just notifies if new mail arrives afaik |
| 18:00.36 | stew | roe_: testing becomes stable once every year or two |
| 18:00.45 | cureless | solars: did you do the search? |
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| 18:01.03 | roe_ | stew: yes, i was refering to the ever looming etch freeze :) |
| 18:01.24 | Varange | stew, any idea how to fix this? "mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system" |
| 18:01.27 | stew | roe_: it's still not appropriate to run testing on a server since its not getting security updates |
| 18:01.33 | stew | Varange: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:01.36 | solars | cureless, yeah, why |
| 18:02.01 | stew | Danielss89: how long it takes depends on the speed of your internet connection, and maybe how long it would take for you to backup and restore your data |
| 18:02.02 | Varange | stew, 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 18:02.08 | stew | Varange: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:02.15 | Varange | stew, thanks |
| 18:02.20 | cureless | solars: well, those apps do more than just ding. Also, you haven't even said how/where you want this. You could just use something like gkrellm or have your mailer open. |
| 18:02.28 | stew | Varange: however for cifs you might consider a backported kernel, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 18:02.38 | Varange | thx |
| 18:02.55 | solars | cureless, I want it like I said, a console app that prints 2/7 |
| 18:02.59 | Danielss89 | stew the server is on a 1000 mbit connection |
| 18:03.18 | cureless | solars: you never said console, you said "tool" |
| 18:03.41 | Danielss89 | its a virtual server stew! |
| 18:03.51 | dn4 | what is a good program for linux that can do logs, trig., exponential functions, factoring of complex polynomials to the nth power ? |
| 18:03.58 | solars | cureless, well yeah, if I want something that "prints out 7/3" it should be clear that I don't want openoffice for that purpose although it could probably do it |
| 18:04.38 | Xnerd | Ronin: You're silence was clarifying :) Thanks |
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| 18:05.27 | tralala | Xnerd, /msg dpkg testing security |
| 18:05.44 | cureless | solars: what do you want to use the output for? |
| 18:05.50 | Xnerd | tralala: thanks |
| 18:05.57 | solars | cureless, conky |
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| 18:08.41 | cureless | solars: well, I don't know about the 7/3 part, but you can try to script something using mail or from. Something like "from -c", though I don't know if there's an easy way to give you the new mail. |
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| 18:09.56 | tralala | Xnerd, however with 18 security updates in main, one has to wonder how serious the security support is. |
| 18:10.02 | solars | cureless, hm its not about displaying mail or so, its just, a counter of new and total mail, eg: my_fancy_script.sh /var/spool/mail/solars outputs: "7/10" that is: 7 new of total 10 mails |
| 18:10.15 | Danielss89 | how and what should i do to install all the stable packages stew? |
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| 18:10.35 | stew | Danielss89: you can't just install the stable packages, you'd have to reinstall from scratch |
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| 18:10.58 | cureless | solars: I understand, but you can parse the output of mail, and, btw, "from -c" actually gives you a number (well a sentence with a number) |
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| 18:11.04 | stew | tralala: the testing security team concentrates on moving packages with security updates from unstable to testing in < 48 hours when it is possible instead of patching the testing versions |
| 18:12.16 | tralala | stew, I see. |
| 18:12.33 | Danielss89 | hehe oki, well its a virtual server stew, ive got root priviliges, can i do it then? |
| 18:13.01 | stew | Danielss89: you have root privileges on the host or the virtual server? |
| 18:15.01 | solars | cureless, yeah I know, but from doesn't output the new messages afaik. I'll look at mail though |
| 18:15.17 | cureless | solars: it doesn't I know. |
| 18:15.18 | Varange | stew, thanks, cifs works now. One more thing please. I'm having probs upgrading with apt-get --upgrade because I installed webmin from the backports and it exits when it encounters the webmin packages. WHat do I do? |
| 18:15.27 | solars | cureless, yeah |
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| 18:15.35 | stew | webmin is in backports? it shouldn't be |
| 18:15.54 | stew | Varange: put the actual output into a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 18:16.45 | enouf | lunitik : ever get the kernel issue worked out? |
| 18:17.02 | tralala | so if you want to make sure you have the latest security upgrades and breakages in testing all you have to do is upgrade oftenly |
| 18:17.04 | Danielss89 | on the virtual server stew |
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| 18:18.44 | Danielss89 | i use putty to connect, and then i write sudo bash and i get root rights, stew |
| 18:19.12 | ofer1 | Danielss89, use sudo -s, not sudo bash. |
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| 18:19.18 | stew | Danielss89: no. if you were going to reinstall, you'd be replacing the entire virtual server. like wiping it out and starting over |
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| 18:19.56 | lunitik | enouf: Yes, basically there wasn't an issue... my computer is successfully using both processors... its just using them as separate processors.... |
| 18:20.00 | __Art | hi, I'm running debian unstable, and I'm trying to figure out why my computer freezes everytime I put an audio CD in. I'm running kernel 2.6.18 compiled with debian's default config. |
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| 18:20.29 | stew | tralala: yes, but security updates aren't always available, /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 18:20.30 | enouf | lunitik: hehe .. nice one |
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| 18:20.31 | cureless | solars: depending on your mailer (and assuming you don't mind possible false positives) you can do something like: grep -c "Status: RO" /var/spool/mail/username |
| 18:20.36 | lunitik | enouf: whereas on AMD64, it actually lists cpu cores: 2 ... so I was confused :( |
| 18:20.54 | cureless | solars: basic idea, but you can just modify that to match what you need. |
| 18:21.09 | enouf | lunitik: do they both appear in cpuinfo? ... oh .. so what's it saying now instead? cpu0 and cpu1 |
| 18:21.13 | solars | cureless, I think I'll write a short script in ruby |
| 18:21.17 | Danielss89 | so i cant stew... what do i do then? upgrave everything to unstable? |
| 18:21.24 | lunitik | (fwiw, it seems to balance the load better when it thought it was the same processor, but whatever... so long as they're both being utilized...) |
| 18:21.44 | stew | Danielss89: you can upgrade to etch aka testing, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:21.48 | coruscant | hi,lucia |
| 18:21.59 | Varange | stew, will do |
| 18:22.00 | cureless | solars: ruby?? :-) (I'm not into ruby) |
| 18:22.13 | solars | ruby is great :D |
| 18:22.18 | coruscant | fuck all |
| 18:22.25 | enouf | lunitik: well .. AMD is the only one capable of that, since it's mem controller is ondie, and make use of the HTT link .. is that a 2xx series? |
| 18:22.26 | Ronin | stew: here we go again |
| 18:22.33 | lunitik | enouf: actually, yes, they are both listed in there (I didn't even scroll up last I checked this file, assuming too much I guess...) |
| 18:22.46 | enouf | lunitik: doh! |
| 18:22.52 | Roey | hi all, is there a way of making my cdrom appear as Z: in an rdesktop session link? (Or is the only way to make my cdrom available as a share?) |
| 18:22.53 | coruscant | suck my dick,enouf |
| 18:23.07 | Ronin | !op coruscant is trolling |
| 18:23.07 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 18:23.11 | Ronin | !ops coruscant is trolling |
| 18:23.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ronin complains about: coruscant is trolling |
| 18:23.18 | enouf | coruscant: what .. that needle thing? you must be joking |
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| 18:23.26 | cureless | coruscant: is probably a bot |
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| 18:23.29 | lunitik | enouf: This is currently a Pentium D 2.8 Dual Core .... EM64T |
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| 18:23.53 | mentor | coruscant: Got anything useful to say? |
| 18:24.03 | stealth | i tried installing hotplug.. and now none of my pcmcia devices work on my lappy, i think i remember it complaining about udev and uninstalling it... so i booted cd, chrooted, apt-get install udev. but still my pcmcia lan card and wifi card dont work .. ifconfig eth0 (device not found) i think im using sarge |
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| 18:24.10 | lunitik | enouf: Also has Intel chipset/graphics/audio/nic ... so they gained a little money from me for open sourcing their drivers :) |
| 18:24.16 | Ronin | too slow on the trigger mentor :) |
| 18:24.16 | enouf | lunitik: well .. which one was giving you the issue ? AMD64 Opteron .. or Intel P=D 2.8 |
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| 18:24.34 | enouf | lunitik: I see .. |
| 18:24.54 | lunitik | enouf: neither running a 64bit kernel... 32bit just sees things differently I guess.... |
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| 18:25.16 | Varange | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4626 |
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| 18:25.45 | lunitik | enouf: The differences in how the kernel sees the same system is where my confusion was.... |
| 18:26.14 | stew | Varange: can you remove the "packagewebmin" package? |
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| 18:26.39 | Varange | stew, would that break my brand new and functional webmin? |
| 18:26.46 | stealth | when i insert my pcmcia lan card.. it says in dmesg "inserted pcmcia card into slot 0" and i have all the yenta_socket, hermes, and orinoco drivers loaded... why does installing hotplug mess everything up? |
| 18:26.56 | stealth | now i get from ifconfig eth0.. no device found |
| 18:26.57 | enouf | lunitik: the thing about the P-D (what model? 8xx ?) ...they don't really do HT .. they are dual-core yes .. but not HT dual cores :-) .. ahhh .. ok kernel type and revision .. yes the 64bit one should act differently since it doesn't need any PAE nonsense to see over 4GB RAM |
| 18:27.00 | stealth | even though dmesg says there is one |
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| 18:27.57 | lunitik | enouf: this is a Pentium D 915 |
| 18:28.00 | k31th | guys, if im setting up software raid where should i install grub to ? i have /dev/md0 /boot /dev/md1 swap /dev/md2 / if i install it to /dev/md0 its not goign to work right as it needs the kernel booted to see the raid devices. |
| 18:28.00 | stew | Varange: well it looks like you have the debian webmin and some other webmin, you have to remove one or the other, i have no idea where you got packagewebmin |
| 18:28.06 | k31th | so where should i install it to ? |
| 18:28.06 | RichiH | /cb/whois coruscant |
| 18:28.10 | k31th | mbr ? |
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| 18:28.33 | stealth | dmesg: eth0 NE2000 (DL10022 rev 05): io 0x300, irq 3, hw_addr 00:04:5a:a2:70:65 ... ifconfig eth0 .. no device found ... what the F? |
| 18:28.37 | Danielss89 | i wont lose anything by doing that stew? |
| 18:28.43 | stew | Danielss89: you'd lose everything |
| 18:28.47 | Varange | stew, I tried to remove it... it won't. : E: Couldn't find package packagewebmin |
| 18:28.53 | enouf | lunitik: what? 915 I thought was a Chipset |
| 18:28.59 | stew | Danielss89: oh, wait, by upgrading to testing? no you wouldn't lose stuff |
| 18:29.27 | Varange | stew, can I tell apt-get to upgrade everything except webmin? |
| 18:29.29 | lunitik | enouf: box says Pentium D 915 w/ Viiv technology.... |
| 18:29.30 | Hipska | why isn't debian recognizing my network card? |
| 18:29.38 | stew | Varange: wait, is that a bad paste and the pacakge is named "webmin"? |
| 18:30.02 | stealth | Hipska, im having the same prob |
| 18:30.03 | k31th | Hipska: wat card is it. |
| 18:30.03 | stew | Varange: what is the output of "apt-cache policy webmin webmin-core"? |
| 18:30.03 | Varange | stew, no, the paste is good |
| 18:30.03 | Varange | one mo pls |
| 18:30.03 | k31th | guys, if im setting up software raid where should i install grub to ? i have /dev/md0 /boot /dev/md1 swap /dev/md2 / if i install it to /dev/md0 its not goign to work right as it needs the kernel booted to see the raid devices. |
| 18:30.13 | Hipska | k31TH: its 3Com Etherlink III |
| 18:30.20 | enouf | lunitik: oh .. you got one of t-h-o-s-e .. yikes .. Vanderpoolo virtualization and stuff.. you can keep that thing :-P |
| 18:30.25 | k31th | Hipska: what version of debian |
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| 18:30.35 | Hipska | 3.1 rc1 |
| 18:30.40 | lunitik | enouf: ^-^ |
| 18:30.57 | Hipska | i can select the driver in the list but with no effect |
| 18:30.59 | stealth | Hipska, what does lspci say.. is it a 3c59x ? |
| 18:30.59 | Varange | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4627 |
| 18:31.40 | Hipska | what is ispci? |
| 18:31.47 | blondie | lspci |
| 18:31.53 | blondie | not ispci |
| 18:31.53 | k31th | think about it |
| 18:31.58 | k31th | wat does ls do |
| 18:31.58 | tralala | Hipska, LSpci |
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| 18:32.01 | k31th | and what is pci... |
| 18:32.04 | lunitik | enouf: Only cost $600 ... $300 instant rebate... and Intel everything... I didn't really look around much longer :) (2GB DDR2 RAM, 800Mhz FSB, 4MB L2 Cache I believe) |
| 18:32.09 | k31th | thats right kids, List PCI |
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| 18:32.19 | Hipska | it is an ISA card |
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| 18:32.29 | enouf | lunitik: synopsis http://mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ405.htm Presler will feature EM64T, Vanderpool, LaGrande, EIST, and XD |
| 18:32.31 | Varange | ISA cards still exist? |
| 18:32.33 | stew | Varange: "apt-get install webmin=1.180-3sarge1 webmin-core=1.180-3sarge1" |
| 18:33.37 | lunitik | Actually, I think only 2MB L2 Cache... the AMD 64 box I traded in only had 512kb though |
| 18:33.37 | k31th | your sure its isa |
| 18:33.37 | blondie | isa... oh deary me |
| 18:33.37 | rObNyC | all the gtk themes im installing are not even working =\ only the metacity are.. meaning when i apply the gtk2 theme it looks how is not suppose to like if it was a 1990 theme |
| 18:33.37 | enouf | lunitik: sounds like a nice deal -- why the rebate? |
| 18:33.38 | tralala | Hipska, do you have isapnp installed? |
| 18:33.38 | Hipska | well, it's for an PII processor and DSL recognises it well |
| 18:33.38 | Varange | stew, then it'll be back to the old version, will it? |
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| 18:33.38 | stew | Varange: that will put you on 1.180-3sarge1 which is the current debian version |
| 18:33.38 | enouf | lunitik: I mean how were you eligible .. or anyone is |
| 18:33.41 | Hipska | the debian installer doesn't recognise it |
| 18:34.00 | Varange | stew, I installed the newer one because of issues with upgrading packages in the old one. |
| 18:34.09 | stew | Varange: where did you install it from? |
| 18:34.11 | Flimqy | Are there any command line tools that can be used to track the number of bytes sent or received over a specific tcp connection? |
| 18:34.46 | tralala | Flimqy, tcpdump, iptraf |
| 18:34.46 | Varange | stew, can't remember. I tihnk from the webmin project... they may have had deb files. Either that or from backports |
| 18:34.47 | stew | Varange: you'll have to remove all of the debian webmin packages then, so "apt-get remove webmin-core" |
| 18:34.54 | lunitik | enouf: No idea, I didn't ask questions :) |
| 18:35.07 | stew | Varange: there isn't one in backports because webmin was removed from testing/unstable |
| 18:35.10 | enouf | lunitik: that works :-) |
| 18:35.13 | Varange | stew, ahh yes. Brb, I'll see what happens :)) |
| 18:35.18 | Flimqy | tralala: So there's nothing to keep track of those within the kernel? I guess that makes sense... |
| 18:35.27 | lunitik | enouf: Everyone is eligible though, special at the local toy store (Fry's) |
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| 18:36.06 | Varange | stew, lol, won't even do that anymore |
| 18:36.14 | tralala | Flimqy, the netfilter keeps a track of the packets (I think) that every rule has matched |
| 18:36.15 | lunitik | enouf: Although, I'm confused, says its available in 920, 930 etc etc... wonder what was different enough to call it 915? |
| 18:36.23 | enouf | lunitik: congrats .. now go tweak it beyond recognition .. ahhh yes.. bought my oem amd64 through the funhouse online retailers myself |
| 18:36.25 | stew | Varange: apt-get remove webmin-core fails? show us the output |
| 18:36.36 | Flimqy | tralala: I would have to create a unique rule for each tcp connection then, huh? that doesn't sound very efficient :) |
| 18:36.40 | Hipska | somebody an idea why it doesnt work? |
| 18:36.54 | shwag | how do I disable the starting of a daemon. |
| 18:36.56 | k31th | if i'v installed sw raid where do i install grub ? |
| 18:36.58 | Varange | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4628 |
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| 18:37.03 | enouf | lunitik: scaled down somehow .. maybe .. well see .. I'l look around |
| 18:37.11 | Flimqy | k31th: Generally wherever you want to. |
| 18:37.20 | Flimqy | k31th: (So long as the BIOS,or other boot system, knows where to find it) |
| 18:37.21 | Varange | shwag, you have webmin installed? |
| 18:37.33 | tralala | Flimqy, well, the kernel doesn't keep such stats for every connection afaik |
| 18:37.35 | k31th | Flimqy: I created a /dev/md0 for /boot Thats not going to work tho right ? |
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| 18:38.06 | Flimqy | k31th: Probably not. |
| 18:38.33 | k31th | Flimqy: lame. /dev/md0 was a waste of time then. |
| 18:38.41 | solars | cureless, lsmbox - List number of total/unread messages for mailboxes :) |
| 18:38.42 | lunitik | enouf: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/pentium_d.htm <-- appears to be the Virtualization features taken away :( |
| 18:38.43 | Flimqy | k31th: Not really. |
| 18:38.49 | k31th | ? |
| 18:38.50 | Flimqy | k31th: boot is usually only 50 megs or so at max. |
| 18:38.51 | stew | Varange: you'll have to short circuit those prerm/postinst scripts since it seems that the update-webmin script is missing now, so edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-status.prerm and add "exit 0" as the second line, do the same for /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-status.postinst |
| 18:38.55 | Danielss89 | is this correct stew - http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2463 |
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| 18:39.02 | k31th | Flimqy: yeah i made it 250. |
| 18:39.03 | enouf | lunitik: he's got the 912 listed here http://mikeshardware.co.uk/CPUPricesIntel.htm .. sometimes (because it's mostly a forward looking site) .. he may get misleading info before the product is actually releaswed |
| 18:39.04 | Flimqy | k31th: If grub can read an md0 device, then it should work. But i'd be surprised if it can. |
| 18:39.11 | enouf | lunitik: er 915 |
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| 18:39.23 | Varange | stew, will do |
| 18:39.25 | k31th | Flimqy: it does'nt i tried this already. |
| 18:39.41 | enouf | lunitik: I'm certain developer.intel.com could tell you miuch more :-) |
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| 18:39.54 | stealth | i have a altec lansing usb sound card... in dmesg it shows up as c-media usb headphones set... it does the same on my desktop which i can run alsamixer -c 1 and it works no problem (gentoo)... but in debian on my lappy with alsamixer i get no such device? |
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| 18:40.10 | Flimqy | tralala, Do you know if it's possible to do NAT-style connection tracking without actually doing NAT? |
| 18:40.22 | Flimqy | tralala: Just for the sake of tracking all individual connections |
| 18:40.59 | stealth | yea you can just set -m state --state NEW, RELATED, ESTABLISHED without touching masq or forward |
| 18:41.13 | Flimqy | hmm |
| 18:41.14 | stealth | connection tracking is tcp |
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| 18:41.31 | Flimqy | I'm looking for a way to detect idle or very slow connections |
| 18:41.49 | mentor | well, you can do quasi-cconnection tracking with udp also |
| 18:41.51 | Flimqy | so I would probably need to have a byte count and connection time |
| 18:41.54 | Varange | stew, getting close now: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4629 |
| 18:42.02 | stew | Danielss89: no, first, amd64 is part of the main repositories now, so changre the amd64 line to be some regular mirror, perhaps "deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian etch main", second, volatile doesn't make sense for testing, so get rid of the volatile lines, then add a security line, "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" |
| 18:42.03 | enouf | lunitik: start the comparison testing :-) http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/default.aspx?familyID=1&culture=en-US |
| 18:42.07 | tralala | Flimqy, no idea. |
| 18:42.10 | stealth | Flimqy, a script that runs a traceroute and computes the time? |
| 18:42.22 | stew | Varange: remove webmin-status too |
| 18:42.25 | cureless | Flimqy: why are you trying to do this? |
| 18:42.36 | Flimqy | stealth: that would be a possibility. seems rather inefficient, though. |
| 18:42.40 | stew | Varange: or perhaps the aptitude frontend would help you clear this up |
| 18:43.09 | Flimqy | cureless: Trying to reduce the effects of an apparant SMTP DoS attack where hundreds of connections are being opened for several minutes, but little or no data being passed. |
| 18:43.09 | lunitik | enouf: Thanks :) |
| 18:43.13 | Varange | stew, I removed webmin-status, and then webmin-core. It worked |
| 18:43.19 | mentor | Flimqy: You can do packet classification |
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| 18:43.37 | mentor | Flimqy: That sort of thing should be possible |
| 18:44.03 | enouf | lunitik: no prob |
| 18:44.04 | Flimqy | mentor: Yeah, I'm not sure that I can do it on a packet level, though. |
| 18:44.08 | Danielss89 | like this stew? http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2464 |
| 18:44.10 | Flimqy | mentor: I think it needs to be done on a connection level |
| 18:44.19 | jelly | Hi, do synaptic and aptitude play well with each other, in terms of knowing which packages were automatically installed, held etc? |
| 18:44.27 | cureless | Flimqy: there are many other connections that are slow that shouldn't be killed. |
| 18:44.31 | mentor | Flimqy: Yes, but you can classify based on that sort of criteria |
| 18:44.34 | stew | Danielss89: yes |
| 18:44.35 | Flimqy | cureles: yes, but not on port 25. |
| 18:44.42 | Flimqy | mentor: How would I do that? |
| 18:44.44 | Varange | stew, and here's the happy result! http://channels.debian.net/paste/4630 |
| 18:44.54 | Varange | stew, thanks a stack |
| 18:44.56 | Danielss89 | oki and i just save it and run 2 commands and everything should be fine, hehe stew |
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| 18:45.15 | is_null | hello everybody, iconv seems not working properly : "iconv -f ISO-8859-15 -t UTF-8 myxml.xml" and there is still unproper characters to xmlReader, however, if i change "ISO-8859-15" to "UTF-8" in the xml header about file encoding, it works ... |
| 18:45.32 | Flimqy | I see some --dstlimit type options. I need the opposite of that. hehe |
| 18:45.47 | stew | Danielss89: that is the theory, and now that you are running testing on an internet facing server, you win a free subscription to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 18:45.47 | Flimqy | drop a connection if it doesn't mantain a minimum connection speed type of thing. |
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| 18:49.34 | Danielss89 | stew - http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2465 |
| 18:50.10 | mentor | Flimqy: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/ |
| 18:50.29 | tralala | Flimqy, perhaps this could help http://linuxgazette.net/126/cherian.html |
| 18:50.42 | Flimqy | thanks guys, I'll read both of those. |
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| 18:51.36 | Flimqy | Unfortunately, that DDoS thingie won't help, as the connections are coming from everywhere |
| 18:51.40 | Flimqy | thanks to Microsoft |
| 18:52.17 | stew | Danielss89: i'd recommend using aptitude for the upgrade instead of apt-get. you need to remove apache2-common and replace it with apache2.2-common |
| 18:53.43 | Danielss89 | stew and can i do that without loosing anything? |
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| 18:54.27 | stew | Danielss89: yes "apt-get install apache2.2-common apache2-common-" |
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| 18:54.38 | stew | Danielss89: err s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
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| 18:55.35 | pumpkin0 | is it possible to have 2 keyboard-layouts at the same time ? i have connected 2 keyboards with different layouts and switch fairly (w/o even restarting an app). Possible or not ? |
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| 18:56.31 | Danielss89 | another error stew - http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2466 |
| 18:56.57 | stew | Danielss89: you left off a '-' |
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| 18:57.14 | stew | Danielss89: "aptitude install apache2.2-common apache2-common-" |
| 18:57.28 | stew | Danielss89: or actually "aptitude install apache2.2-common" shoudl be enough |
| 18:57.37 | stew | Danielss89: or actually probably just "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:58.14 | marchino | ciao |
| 18:59.09 | Danielss89 | stew |
| 18:59.09 | Danielss89 | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 18:59.09 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.13 | marchino | how can i get the full name of a package? like apt-file_0.2.3-4_all.deb, not only apt-file |
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| 19:00.04 | Danielss89 | and it says it will install apache2.2-common, but none of my webfiles will be deleted right? caus my site is up and running, and a lot of users is online right now... so... it wont do anything stupid right stew:D |
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| 19:00.21 | quintin | Anyone have a guide for debian apache with vhosts? |
| 19:00.29 | stew | Danielss89: that looks good. yes, none of the config files or web content would be deleted |
| 19:00.42 | abrotman | httpd.apache.org |
| 19:00.43 | Danielss89 | oki i trus you :D |
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| 19:01.09 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i give a user sudo to another users account? "pvoutov ALL=(data) ALL" i have this and its not working. |
| 19:01.15 | chino | i installed ruby-vim but yet i get no syntax highlighting |
| 19:01.38 | mentor | evilbulgarian: Define 'not working' |
| 19:01.48 | elias_ | is anybody fit with ACL? |
| 19:01.59 | enouf | chino: do you get highlighting in plain vim? |
| 19:02.03 | p3rti | hi all.. someone can help me? the if i have loaded the alsa modules the volume sound very low. and if i unload all alsa module and load the oss module it work's fine.. what it could be? i'm using debian SID |
| 19:02.10 | abrotman | !ask |
| 19:02.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:02.19 | adoom | hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how to install netfilter patch-o-matic patches to the official iptables debian package. I haven't been able to find a HOWTO on the proper way to do this in debian. whenever I 'dpkg-buildpackage', the iptables tarball gets unpacked and it overwrites the directory which I just patched manually. |
| 19:02.26 | evilbulgarian | mentor: well i want to become data user from pvoutov account |
| 19:02.31 | Danielss89 | nice stew its dw, with 1080 Kb/s |
| 19:02.50 | Danielss89 | dw = dl |
| 19:03.05 | quintin | abrotman: yea, but debian seems to have it's own screwed up apache configb. |
| 19:03.10 | abrotman | not really |
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| 19:03.11 | enouf | downwoading == elmer fudd |
| 19:03.12 | mentor | evilbulgarian: and what happens when you try to do that? |
| 19:03.35 | p3rti | 1080 Kb/s... wow!! |
| 19:03.40 | debonairpal | is PS2 a hotplug ? |
| 19:03.46 | blondie | debonairpal: no |
| 19:04.01 | enouf | chino: I think plain vim has an -hlight option? or similar man vim .. dunnon about ruby-vim |
| 19:04.13 | debonairpal | blondie, i did a dpkg-reconfigure ... and selected it... but still it doesnt activate |
| 19:04.23 | blondie | er |
| 19:04.27 | enouf | s.dunno/don't know |
| 19:04.43 | enouf | debonairpal: no really |
| 19:04.44 | Danielss89 | stew which interface should i choose? |
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| 19:04.59 | enouf | s/no/not |
| 19:05.21 | debonairpal | enouf, what else then.. apart from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:05.45 | enouf | debonairpal: modprobe mousedev |
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| 19:06.10 | enouf | .msg dpkg mousedev |
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| 19:06.32 | rObNyC | !beryl |
| 19:06.32 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 19:06.35 | enouf | debonairpal: type this into your irc client --> /msg dpkg mousedev |
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| 19:07.26 | rObNyC | !xgl |
| 19:07.26 | dpkg | somebody said xgl was the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 19:07.39 | stew | Danielss89: interface for what? |
| 19:07.45 | rObNyC | !xgl-howto |
| 19:07.46 | dpkg | hmm... xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 19:07.53 | rObNyC | !compiz |
| 19:07.53 | dpkg | from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. |
| 19:07.57 | stew | rObNyC: please /msg the bot |
| 19:08.03 | rObNyC | sory thanks |
| 19:08.44 | Danielss89 | hehe stew it ask me to choose an interface, i minimized, and when i maximized it the screen was black so i just pushed enter:D |
| 19:09.20 | Danielss89 | its installing right now stew |
| 19:09.31 | rObNyC | anyone here knows of an xgl-howto ? |
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| 19:09.38 | enouf | debonairpal: also /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 19:09.39 | Danielss89 | NOOO my site doesnt work now stew |
| 19:09.41 | rObNyC | beryl site is down and they had an howto for about 10 distros |
| 19:09.56 | enouf | rObNyC: xgl is not in Debian AFAIK |
| 19:10.15 | debonairpal | enouf, i wrote echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev...but now it seems to have corrupted the file |
| 19:10.23 | enouf | rObNyC: aiglx is the newer one .. I guess |
| 19:10.46 | enouf | debonairpal: lsmod | grep mousedev |
| 19:11.02 | rObNyC | i understand but aiglx doesnt work with my ati x1600 because radeon doesnt support X1k series yet so i gotta use fglrx = xgl |
| 19:11.19 | debonairpal | enouf, forget it.. thanks for your answers.. i there are too many questions.. |
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| 19:11.32 | enouf | rObNyC: sorry .. that's all I know about it .. perhaps someone else can chime in |
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| 19:11.53 | rObNyC | enouf, you mean theres no way to get xgl on debian |
| 19:11.59 | elias_ | can I force files in a folder to be owned by a specific group? |
| 19:12.00 | enouf | debonairpal: no no .. Are you using a ps2 mouse? hotplugging the ps2 port will certainly need a reboot |
| 19:12.07 | elias_ | Could I do that with ACL? |
| 19:12.13 | enouf | well most times debonairpal |
| 19:12.18 | elias_ | or how else can I achieve that? |
| 19:12.22 | Habbie | hotplugging the ps2 port is a fine way to fry your board |
| 19:12.39 | enouf | elias_: do what? |
| 19:12.42 | tribbin | elias_: Use ubuntu doc and pkgs |
| 19:12.46 | elias_ | I need all files created in one folder to be owned by a certain group. |
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| 19:12.47 | enouf | heh |
| 19:13.01 | tribbin | elias_: That was for rObNyC |
| 19:13.16 | stew | tribbin: one should not install ubuntu packages on debian |
| 19:13.22 | rObNyC | tribbin, ubuntu stuff will work ? |
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| 19:13.27 | stew | rObNyC: don't do it |
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| 19:13.33 | tribbin | stew: One should not want Xgl on debian |
| 19:13.35 | stew | rObNyC: why do you want xgl instead of aiglx? |
| 19:14.00 | rObNyC | stew, i dont have any choice.. radeon(Aiglx) doesnt support ati x1600 card but fglrx(xgl) does .. |
| 19:14.25 | Danielss89 | stew pb |
| 19:14.45 | smoke | elias: what about chown ? |
| 19:14.53 | enouf | elias_: seems that can be achieved just using plain old permissions .. /msg dpkg permissions .. maybe also apt-cache search -n acl |
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| 19:15.12 | Danielss89 | pheeww now it works again stew.. but it replaced all of my øæå with funny signs:D |
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| 19:15.43 | tribbin | stew: Are ubuntu packages (for instance Xgl) not compatible with debian? |
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| 19:16.00 | stew | tribbin: in general, no |
| 19:16.14 | elias_ | enouf: don't think this is achieveable |
| 19:16.26 | stew | tribbin: you could recompile the source packages, but you shouldn't install binary packages from another dist directly |
| 19:16.27 | elias_ | enouf: with standard perms |
| 19:16.59 | tribbin | stew: only bin drivers are those of nvidia etc. which you can install anyway (with kernel headers) |
| 19:17.00 | stew | elias_: set the directory to be chmod g+s |
| 19:17.01 | Neaai | hello all. Can someone explain please, why the same commands that appear in the grub menu fail with "File not found" (meaning the /vmlinuz) and when I give the same commands at the grub prompt (kernel and initrd) it will boot ok ? |
| 19:17.15 | enouf | elias_: from your example .. I'd say so(no prob using permissions) .. but I'm no guru |
| 19:17.28 | stew | tribbin: i didn't understand that |
| 19:17.29 | Danielss89 | stew now theres only one problem... i cant connect via. FPT... |
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| 19:19.11 | tribbin | stew: That you don't need binary drivers from ubuntu because they (nvidia X driver for instance) are already easy to get to work under debian. What rests is only opensource packages to compile. |
| 19:19.25 | tribbin | It should not be too hard: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
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| 19:21.07 | stew | tribbin: when i'm talking about binaries i'm taling about .debs, i mean you shouldn't install ubuntu .debs either by running apt-get install or dpkg -i, you should recompile them with apt-get -b source or dpkg-buildpacakge or something, i'm not talking specifically about binary drivers |
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| 19:21.41 | elias_ | stew: this might force the GID on all files created in the dir, but does it also force the GID on newly creaded dirs in the dir? |
| 19:21.43 | alemao | hi. when i log to my server using ssh, it asks pass two times. why? |
| 19:21.49 | Neaai | hello all. Can someone explain please, why grub fails to boot with "File not found" (meaning the /vmlinuz) and when I give the same commands at the grub prompt after pressing 'c' (kernel and initrd) it will boot ok ? |
| 19:21.51 | stew | elias_: it does |
| 19:21.59 | stew | elias_: and directories would inherit the g+s |
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| 19:22.41 | stew | tribbin: those free.fr instructions are telling you to use outdated and no longer supported versions of xorg |
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| 19:23.17 | Danielss89 | do you know what i have to do to get my FTP working again? |
| 19:23.26 | stew | Danielss89: what ftp server are you using? |
| 19:23.30 | chino | how do i get better support for man pages? |
| 19:23.36 | chino | right now it looks like all i can do is hit space bar |
| 19:23.55 | Danielss89 | well im using filezilla to connect from my computer i dont know what the server uses |
| 19:24.01 | stew | chino: install less , then update-alternatives --config pager ; and select less |
| 19:24.12 | smoke | chino: export PAGER=less |
| 19:24.13 | Danielss89 | Response:Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect <-- stew could it be that? |
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| 19:24.30 | stew | Danielss89: sftp has nothing to do with ftp |
| 19:25.35 | Danielss89 | okey hehe stew how do i get sftp to work then? |
| 19:25.36 | chino | can i upgrade ssh from 3.8 to something like 4.4 ? |
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| 19:26.59 | stew | Danielss89: does ssh work? |
| 19:27.03 | stew | chino: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 19:27.51 | pppoe_dude | hi. i've downloaded from deb-source using apt-get source, but i can't find a guide on how to pass flags before building |
| 19:28.05 | pppoe_dude | can someone guide me in the right direction? |
| 19:28.08 | Danielss89 | hmm stew im connected via putty right now, so i guess it does, im afraid of closing it and open it again to check, so i just keep connected.. what should i write stew? |
| 19:28.16 | chino | stew: wtf is that shit ? |
| 19:28.18 | chino | lol |
| 19:28.36 | pppoe_dude | or can i even do that? like pass configuration parameters before building the deb package |
| 19:28.39 | stew | !tell chino about bpo |
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| 19:28.46 | chino | i read that |
| 19:28.53 | chino | but whats it tlking about |
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| 19:29.07 | chino | 3.3 is in new stable but 4.4 was never ported yet ? |
| 19:29.08 | stew | chino: you'll have to ask a more specific question |
| 19:29.19 | chino | that sounds bakcwards |
| 19:30.26 | elias_ | how can I make all files and folders created in a folder XY have g+rw? |
| 19:31.13 | stew | chino: once a release becomes stable, it never gets new versions of packages. 3.8 was the current version when sarge became stable. |
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| 19:31.37 | chino | well |
| 19:31.41 | stew | chino: etch, which is the current testing has 4.4, it has been ported to sarge which is the current stable and is available unofficially from backports.org |
| 19:31.54 | stew | err not 4.4, but 4.3 |
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| 19:32.26 | chino | im trying to run "ssh -R 2350:localhost:2350 192.168.0.10" which is allocating to the sshd's localhost instead of its external interrface any idea why ? |
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| 19:32.55 | Danielss89 | stew? |
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| 19:33.12 | solars | does anyone know how to swap 2 columns (output of a programm) in the command line ? |
| 19:33.41 | stew | chino: becuase you want -L instead of -R |
| 19:33.51 | chino | no |
| 19:34.05 | stew | chino: oh, i misunderstood |
| 19:34.10 | chino | i want the localhost:2350 to show up on 192.168.0.10:2350 |
| 19:34.24 | chino | but its showing up on 192.168.0.10(localhost:2350) |
| 19:35.12 | chino | can i specify multiple ports too ? |
| 19:35.14 | stew | chino: that doens't make sense |
| 19:35.19 | chino | or do i have to make seperate ssh connections ? |
| 19:35.21 | stew | no |
| 19:35.34 | chino | what i ment was that the port is showing up on localhost:2350 instead of the external interface |
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| 19:36.02 | RobNyc | why am i getting this error import dbus |
| 19:36.02 | RobNyc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.02 | RobNyc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.07 | stew | chino: if you don't want it to show up on localhost but on some other ip, substitute that ip for localhost in your command |
| 19:37.09 | chino | it still went to localhost |
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| 19:37.16 | chino | i think this version doens't support enough options |
| 19:37.23 | enouf | solars: swap two columns? does prefixing with COLUMNS=200 help? |
| 19:37.25 | chino | 4.4 has a nicer option sset |
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| 19:37.38 | jlhenry | Hi |
| 19:37.39 | boodie | Hi: is anybody proficient with rosegarden? |
| 19:37.53 | jlhenry | Does anyone know a tool for mapping net flows? |
| 19:37.56 | enouf | boodie: wish I was .. heh |
| 19:37.59 | stew | boodie: what is your question? |
| 19:38.12 | jlhenry | There is nstreams but I searching something more visual |
| 19:38.15 | Danielss89 | stew what do i have to do to get ftp or sftp or something to work so that i can connect and upload/download my webfiles |
| 19:38.22 | solars | enouf, I already found it, thanks |
| 19:38.22 | enouf | jlhenry: nmap perhaps? |
| 19:38.29 | boodie | Hmm - well - I am in trouble with the sequencing - it doesn't play any tune |
| 19:38.50 | stew | chino: can you be more clear? like machine a has the these ip addresses, machine b has these, i'm running command "foo" from machine a hoping that a port on ip:port would be opened on machine b or whatever? |
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| 19:39.04 | boodie | I must say: I don't have a midi keyboard attached |
| 19:39.23 | boodie | I'm trying to use it with the soundcard |
| 19:39.29 | stew | Danielss89: does /etc/ssh/sshd_config contain a line: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server ? |
| 19:39.37 | jlhenry | enouf, nmap is a port mapper. I'm searching a flow mapper |
| 19:39.40 | enouf | boodie: perhaps modprobe -l | grep seq |
| 19:39.47 | jlhenry | enouf, thanks anyway |
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| 19:40.01 | chino | a(localhost:2350) ---> b(external_interface:2350) any data going into machine b 2350 external interface should be sent to machine a 2350 localhost |
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| 19:40.03 | stew | boodie: is snd-seq-midi loaded? |
| 19:40.22 | enouf | jlhenry: ok .. maybe apt-cache search -n net | grep flow |
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| 19:40.36 | Danielss89 | no stew |
| 19:40.38 | Danielss89 | it doesnt |
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| 19:41.24 | stealth_ | how can i get the screen to blank when i close my laptop lid? also i used to be able to hit the power button (before i messed with hotplug and udev) but it would suspend.... how can i reenable this? |
| 19:41.29 | boodie | enouf: apparently yes |
| 19:41.32 | stew | Danielss89: add it and restart ssh. DONT close your ssh session until after you are sure that it is still working after restarting ssh |
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| 19:42.16 | boodie | it says, among others "/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-amd64/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-midi.ko" |
| 19:42.33 | stew | boodie: wait. are you saying that you are just trying to play a file in rosegarden and hoping that it would play through your sound card? |
| 19:42.50 | stew | boodie: do you have a software synth running? or are you trying to use the hardware synth in your sound card? |
| 19:43.00 | CHodapp | Rosegarden is screwy, screwy, screwy software. |
| 19:43.10 | stew | CHodapp: believe me, i know |
| 19:43.10 | boodie | nope - I would like to write on a pentagram and have it playing |
| 19:43.13 | stew | !maint rosegarden |
| 19:43.19 | dpkg | rosegarden: Debian Multimedia Team <debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org> |
| 19:43.21 | stew | bah |
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| 19:43.25 | Danielss89 | stew how do i restart ssh |
| 19:43.34 | stew | Danielss89: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 19:43.45 | boodie | Is there any software that isn't? |
| 19:43.57 | enouf | jlhenry: actually the better way may be to use the tags found in nstreams and try aptitude (usinfg the tags option) .. for ex: Tag: interface::commandline, role::sw:utility, security::firewall is what shows for nstreams .. install aptitude-doc-en will explain it all |
| 19:44.05 | stew | boodie: what do you mean by pentagram? |
| 19:44.09 | Danielss89 | root@danielss89:~# /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 19:44.09 | Danielss89 | Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. |
| 19:44.12 | boodie | Notes |
| 19:44.26 | Danielss89 | i still cant connect via filezilla stew |
| 19:44.26 | boodie | like C#, Dm , and so on |
| 19:44.29 | stealth_ | laptop? screen close? blank screen? how to? |
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| 19:44.45 | jlhenry | enouf, thanks :D |
| 19:44.55 | Danielss89 | ive added this at the bottom of the file: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server <-- stew |
| 19:45.00 | jlhenry | enouf, I thinks i found the tool |
| 19:45.08 | jlhenry | enouf, http://etherape.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:45.12 | stew | boodie: what are you expecting will play the sounds? your synth on your sound card? |
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| 19:45.30 | lamparilla | hello everybody! |
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| 19:45.54 | Danielss89 | ahh crap.. wrong file |
| 19:45.55 | enouf | boodie: you have to modprobe <modulename> in order for it to be effective. .. lsmod will tell you if it's loaded .. esound or somesuch may enable a virtual synth |
| 19:46.25 | enouf | jlhenry: yeah .. i would've suggested sourceforge next :-) .. |
| 19:46.37 | Danielss89 | stew the line is in the file, and its still not working.. |
| 19:46.39 | CHodapp | esound won't do a synth... I would go with something like FluidSynth or else load a wavetable for your soundcard, and make sure the MIDI devices are being used |
| 19:46.51 | stew | Danielss89: which file? |
| 19:47.00 | CHodapp | Rosegarden might be able to take a wavetable and do the synthesis, I dunno |
| 19:47.07 | stew | CHodapp: no, it can't |
| 19:47.20 | Danielss89 | stew sshd_config |
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| 19:47.30 | stew | CHodapp: you'd have to use a software synth like timidity, or have it use a hardware synth, which may require having rosegarden load a soundfont |
| 19:47.36 | CHodapp | damn. I know it can output to the sound card directly, but only when it's mixing audio, I guess |
| 19:47.38 | enouf | jlhenry: hah .. in sid I get : $ apt-cache search etherape |
| 19:47.38 | enouf | etherape - graphical network monitor modeled after etherman |
| 19:47.47 | Danielss89 | the line is at the bottom just begore usePAM yes |
| 19:47.56 | enouf | lemmee check if it's in etch |
| 19:47.57 | CHodapp | you can load a soundfont with awesfx (or something) and tell Rosegarden to use the sound card's MIDI |
| 19:48.07 | stew | CHodapp: yes |
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| 19:48.40 | CHodapp | how do you have timidity function as a MIDI daemon? I know how to have it handle a MIDI file, but not how to have it accept realtime MIDI |
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| 19:48.55 | enouf | jlhenry: yep .. it's available in etch and sarge |
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| 19:50.21 | Ancillius | hi i would like to ask, if there is a programm that does a search for badblocks on your Harddisk, does fsck do this automatically? |
| 19:50.35 | enouf | Ancillius: man badblocks |
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| 19:51.17 | Ancillius | ah ty |
| 19:51.24 | enouf | Ancillius: but please understand what you're doing before you attempt possibly dangerous commands .. and MAKE BACKUPS! NOW |
| 19:51.28 | enouf | :-) |
| 19:51.43 | Ancillius | thanks for the warning, but cant get worse :) |
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| 19:52.26 | enouf | uh oh ..trust me .. there's always "worse" .. heh |
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| 19:52.49 | stew | CHodapp: iirc: timidity -iA |
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| 19:53.09 | eguzkia | hello a program to read WmV please!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 19:53.27 | CHodapp | sorry... I didn't mean to... it was the exclamation points... |
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| 19:53.38 | liri | anyone remembers how to get find to be non recursive? |
| 19:53.46 | abrotman | --max-depth |
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| 19:54.23 | eguzkia | someone knows a program to read wmv file???????? |
| 19:54.31 | abrotman | !ep |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, elipse, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 19:54.35 | Ancillius | Well i frequently get dma_intr Error 0x50 Drive Seek Complete Errors, no data loss though but the system is inoperable then. Afterwards i do an fsck, correct a bunch of inodes an reboot, everythings fine. So i need to know if the HDD is broken or there is another reason. |
| 19:54.42 | Seb__ | sup y'all |
| 19:54.51 | JonRob | do you mean play wmv? |
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| 19:55.17 | stew | Ancillius: it could be a bad cable (although it is unlikely) |
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| 19:55.39 | CHodapp | mplayer and kaffeine and probably anything using gstreamer can do it with the right codecs |
| 19:55.43 | Ancillius | yep will try that, i ony hope its not the controller, since its a laptop. |
| 19:55.47 | liri | abrotman: yeap, thanks. |
| 19:55.54 | Danielss89 | stew? what do i do? |
| 19:55.59 | stew | Danielss89: i don't know |
| 19:56.02 | boodie | I have esound, but ther is not a command esound |
| 19:56.04 | eguzkia | someone knows a program to read wmv file???????? |
| 19:56.11 | blondie | eguzkia: weren't you paying attention? |
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| 19:56.23 | abrotman | !tell eguzkia about ep |
| 19:56.28 | Danielss89 | huh... im fucked then:D the i cant connect to my fpt:S |
| 19:56.29 | CHodapp | eguzkia, ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT? |
| 19:56.42 | stew | CHodapp: chill out |
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| 19:56.56 | stew | CHodapp: there is no need for shouting or name calling |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | based on the hostmask .. i'd say it's not his native language |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 19:57.24 | Ronin | even if you are quoting an excellent movie CHodapp |
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| 19:57.31 | aprigio | !br |
| 19:57.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:57.34 | eguzkia | ??? |
| 19:58.05 | blondie | CHodapp: lol. |
| 19:58.22 | chino | stew: i upgraded to the new sshd..... and ran "ssh -R 192.168.0.10:2350:localhost:2350 192.168.0.10" but it still forwards it to the localhost host instead of remote system's external port aka 192.168.0.10:2350 |
| 19:58.37 | CHodapp | eguzkia, mplayer, kaffeine, or gstreamer with the right codecs. |
| 19:58.54 | abrotman | xine |
| 19:58.59 | CHodapp | that too |
| 19:59.08 | abrotman | kaffeine is a frontend to xine .. as is totem |
| 19:59.17 | odla | and gxine and oxine |
| 19:59.24 | terje__ | don't confuse him |
| 19:59.32 | Guerin | wtf is oxine? |
| 19:59.34 | eguzkia | Chodapp thankyou |
| 19:59.38 | CHodapp | Kaffeine only uses Xine? Or can it use Gstreamer too? |
| 19:59.43 | Guerin | other than something which sounds like an animal by-product? |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | dunno .. check the depends |
| 19:59.51 | CHodapp | I am trying to remember if I installed proprietary codecs for Xine or not |
| 20:00.03 | abrotman | we should get someone to make a 'bovine' :) |
| 20:00.03 | odla | Guerin: oxine.sourceforge.net |
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| 20:00.58 | stew | chino: so after you run "ssh -R....." then on the remote (192.168.0.10) server, you run "netstat -plant | grep :2350" for instance and it is bound to 127.0.0.1 instead of 192.168.0.10 |
| 20:01.50 | odla | chodapp: i think kaffeine can use gstreamer too...but i'm not sure |
| 20:02.18 | CHodapp | mine is indeed using Xine |
| 20:02.38 | unlink | strangely, sometimes when i resume from s2ram (about 10% of the time), the backlight turns on, and the suspend led is on, but the system is hung |
| 20:02.54 | unlink | what might be causing this? |
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| 20:03.10 | GillaGal | bind9/2.6 kernel.....acting as a recursive/authoritative server. Queries for hosts in the authoritative zones are instant, queries for hosts, such as google.com, are slow on the initial query. |
| 20:03.12 | GillaGal | Subsequent queries for the host looked up are fast, as well as other hosts in the domain. but they still aren't nearly as fast as a bind8/2.4 kernel... any ideas? |
| 20:03.18 | odla | chodapp: xine is the default backend in debian |
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| 20:03.50 | CHodapp | odla, yeah, I'm just trying unsuccessfully to remember what I did for proprietary stuff |
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| 20:04.25 | abrotman | !w23codecs |
| 20:04.29 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 20:04.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular but proprietary multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. |
| 20:04.39 | odla | abrotman: did you stubber? |
| 20:04.41 | odla | studder |
| 20:04.43 | odla | shit |
| 20:05.00 | blondie | stutter |
| 20:05.01 | abrotman | okay .. well then |
| 20:05.06 | odla | ha ha |
| 20:05.08 | terje__ | I'm running sid, but shouldn't "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" work to reconfigure X? |
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| 20:05.27 | abrotman | !xorg md5 |
| 20:05.28 | Danielss89 | stew is there a person in here who knows a lot about sftp and maybe can help me? |
| 20:05.31 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 20:05.34 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 20:05.35 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 20:05.38 | stew | !drxxorg |
| 20:05.44 | odla | terje__: yes unless it's broken or you changed it by hand |
| 20:05.45 | abrotman | !tell terje__ about xmd5 |
| 20:06.01 | sepone | Danielss89, i know that useing scp instead saves me a world of tears |
| 20:06.14 | liri | abrotman: -user uname shows only entries that are owned by that user, how is reverted? (not) |
| 20:06.26 | blondie | Danielss89: don't ask to ask. |
| 20:06.31 | abrotman | liri: eh ? |
| 20:06.42 | Danielss89 | oki blondie |
| 20:07.27 | Danielss89 | Can anybody help to get sftp or ftp to work from my virtual server... i get this error when i try to connect from filezilla: Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect |
| 20:08.02 | liri | abrotman: to show all files except for those that are use by a certain user. |
| 20:08.25 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 20:08.42 | liri | abrotman: seems like there's a -nouser there but it's not accepting it for me. |
| 20:08.49 | admin123 | could someone browse to http:///join #debian |
| 20:08.55 | admin123 | could someone browse to http://80.61.67.150 . Does it work? |
| 20:09.05 | abrotman | liri: check the man page |
| 20:09.10 | liri | admin123: works. |
| 20:09.17 | admin123 | liri, what do you see? |
| 20:09.23 | liri | abrotman: xamp for windows |
| 20:09.24 | odla | egg nog in coffee is pretty good |
| 20:09.29 | unlink | admin123: yes |
| 20:09.30 | admin123 | liri, thnx |
| 20:09.33 | abrotman | liri: huh ? |
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| 20:09.41 | Danielss89 | Can anybody help to get sftp or ftp to work from my virtual server... i get this error when i try to connect from filezilla: Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect |
| 20:09.42 | abrotman | nm |
| 20:09.46 | liri | oh, sorry |
| 20:09.51 | abrotman | Danielss89: so it's not open |
| 20:09.54 | odla | Danielss89: you only need to ask once |
| 20:10.03 | unlink | what might be causing resume to be failing about 10% of the time? |
| 20:10.09 | Danielss89 | abrotman how do i open it |
| 20:10.17 | Danielss89 | orry odla |
| 20:10.20 | Danielss89 | +s |
| 20:10.39 | odla | Danielss89: it's ok...you'll just get more help if you are patient otherwise folks will get pissy |
| 20:10.44 | terje__ | thanks a bundle odla & abrotman, even though the md5sum checked out okay it now works :) |
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| 20:10.58 | Danielss89 | oki odla |
| 20:11.37 | x_link | Hi, I have downloaded a movie that is in .rar, which program should I use for that? |
| 20:11.40 | x_link | brb |
| 20:11.57 | krazykit | x_link: unrar |
| 20:12.08 | Danielss89 | is it in a file i have to edit something abrotman |
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| 20:12.16 | tarzeau | http://popcon.debian.org/ 20005 nice |
| 20:12.17 | JR3dzgo62 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:13.52 | odla | yay! a new debian weekly news |
| 20:14.08 | tarzeau | odla: but have you seen the GNU Hurd K14? |
| 20:14.19 | elias_ | I know there is an umask entry somewhere in /etc. Can I set a different umasks on a per directory basis? |
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| 20:14.46 | odla | tarzeau: no...what's this? |
| 20:14.55 | odla | i mean i know what the gnu hurd is |
| 20:15.08 | tarzeau | odla: K14 is a version |
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| 20:15.47 | odla | tarzeau: does it increase the functionality a lot? is it a new version? |
| 20:15.58 | tarzeau | yep, check its changelog |
| 20:16.05 | tarzeau | (get the iso, loopback mount it, and read :) |
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| 20:16.54 | azeem | I wouldn't trust K14 too much, due to #396741 |
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| 20:18.52 | odla | how does debian run on the Hurd? |
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| 20:19.43 | Flimqy | What's the modern defacto standard for network security monitoring a la the old school SATAN application? |
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| 20:20.10 | Danielss89 | plz help me, its rather important that i can connect to my server and upload/download files:D |
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| 20:25.51 | Danielss89 | :( |
| 20:25.52 | embrik | I'm testing a note edit programme called noteedit. I am not able to get sound. I get this message: no Midi device created. I use OSS and ALSA |
| 20:26.30 | x_link | krazykit: apt-get install unrar? |
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| 20:26.55 | x_link | krazykit: I'm a newbie, this is the first time I have done this. |
| 20:27.13 | odla | x_link: are you trying to install unrar? if so that's the right way |
| 20:27.14 | Guerin | x_link: rarlabs.de has a linux binary |
| 20:27.27 | Guerin | x_link: the free unrar won't give you your warez and pr0n |
| 20:27.39 | x_link | It's Prison BReak I want to watch. |
| 20:27.43 | odla | warez and pr0n? |
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| 20:27.56 | x_link | And that's in .rar files, so I need something that will fix that. |
| 20:28.07 | Ronin | x_link: so unrar it then |
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| 20:28.25 | x_link | Ronin: But I don't know which program I should use. |
| 20:28.28 | x_link | That's the problem |
| 20:28.30 | Ronin | unrar |
| 20:28.42 | odla | unrar -e foo |
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| 20:28.48 | odla | i think you need the -e |
| 20:28.52 | x_link | ok |
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| 20:28.59 | x_link | apt-get install unrar -e |
| 20:29.06 | Ronin | oh dear |
| 20:29.07 | odla | no |
| 20:29.09 | odla | apt-get install unrar |
| 20:29.21 | odla | to run unrar as a regular user: unrar -e foo |
| 20:29.32 | odla | you need to install it before you can use it |
| 20:29.36 | Ronin | and you'll need non-free sources in your sources.list |
| 20:29.52 | odla | Ronin can tell you how to do that |
| 20:29.59 | x_link | odla: Ok. |
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| 20:30.48 | odla | !non-free |
| 20:30.49 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 20:31.07 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/260941 |
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| 20:31.19 | x_link | brb |
| 20:31.23 | x_link | just a sec |
| 20:31.30 | odla | x_link: apt-cache search unrar |
| 20:31.36 | odla | maybe it's call unrar-nonfree |
| 20:32.35 | PDani__ | where can i find the apache2-ssl-certificate script? |
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| 20:35.04 | abrotman | !tell PDani__ about search |
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| 20:38.07 | AndroidData | DAMMIT it didn't work |
| 20:38.21 | AndroidData | gah! my resolv.conf is messed up! I have no idea which IP addresses to use as nameservers |
| 20:38.27 | AndroidData | dhclient reports nothing |
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| 20:38.56 | peterS | !ep =~ s/elipse/ellipsis/ |
| 20:38.57 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'elipse', peterS |
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| 20:39.04 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:39.24 | peterS | !excessive punctuation =~ s/elipse/ellipsis/ |
| 20:39.24 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 20:39.33 | AndroidData | is there any way to automatically recreate resolv.conf? |
| 20:39.50 | AndroidData | since it automatically made it on the setup |
| 20:39.52 | mconway | ok, i dont know how to word this: |
| 20:39.53 | peterS | abrotman: hey, I didn't know it was a redirect (: |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | sure sure ... |
| 20:40.13 | mconway | i have postfix runnign with spamassassin, and spamassassin runs as the email recipient |
| 20:40.25 | peterS | I do no hou 2 spel it now tho |
| 20:40.55 | mconway | but, i have email aliases, and spamassassin doesnt run the user |
| 20:40.57 | mconway | _prefs file, cause they arent acutally users |
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| 20:43.28 | x_link | odla: Okey, will do that now. |
| 20:43.58 | x_link | sedde:/home/sedde# apt-cache search unrar |
| 20:43.58 | x_link | comix - GTK Comic Book Viewer |
| 20:43.58 | x_link | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 20:44.02 | x_link | odla: That came up. |
| 20:44.29 | odla | x_link: apt-get install unrar-free |
| 20:44.50 | abrotman | peterS: i'm proud of you! |
| 20:44.54 | x_link | Yes, that worked. |
| 20:44.55 | peterS | you should be |
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| 20:46.21 | x_link | odla: That is done now. |
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| 20:47.09 | aarkerio | Hi! I installed Debian selecting spanish, Is OK but many system messages now are in spanish |
| 20:47.25 | aarkerio | how can I set the system messages in english? |
| 20:47.34 | x_link | aarkerio: Change the language to english. |
| 20:47.54 | peterS | aarkerio: why did you select the spanish language if you didn't want it? |
| 20:47.55 | blondie | "i set it to spanish and it's in spanish".... what did you expect? |
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| 20:48.00 | peterS | aarkerio: you can change it using 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 20:48.00 | x_link | aarkerio: Are you using KDE ? |
| 20:48.06 | aarkerio | x_link, is all the LC_* environment stuff? |
| 20:48.17 | x_link | What ? |
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| 20:48.30 | x_link | odla: What should I do next ? |
| 20:48.39 | aarkerio | no, I don't have X system |
| 20:48.41 | odla | x_link: unrar -e package |
| 20:48.50 | x_link | odla: Ahaa okey. |
| 20:48.59 | x_link | I thought it was a program I could open. |
| 20:49.12 | JordiGH | The ftp.us.debian.org mirror is updated instantly? Is any mirror updated instantly? |
| 20:49.16 | AndroidData | <_< |
| 20:49.24 | odla | x_link: no it's CLI |
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| 20:49.47 | x_link | Okey. |
| 20:49.57 | x_link | Good, then I will learn that a bit better as well. |
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| 20:50.04 | x_link | Well, I should try it now. |
| 20:50.33 | AndroidData | uh |
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| 20:51.18 | x_link | odla: unrar -e Prison Break 02-13 SweSub.rar right ? |
| 20:51.22 | x_link | Cause that doesn't work. |
| 20:51.27 | aarkerio | I found it: |
| 20:51.29 | x_link | unrar: unkown command. |
| 20:51.30 | JordiGH | I need octaviz-0.4.5-3.deb, which seemingly was uploaded a few hours ago. |
| 20:51.32 | x_link | aarkerio: Good. |
| 20:51.39 | aarkerio | http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~diffusor/xim/ |
| 20:51.44 | JordiGH | x_link: unrar is in non-free. |
| 20:51.53 | aarkerio | is the LC_LANG environment |
| 20:52.11 | odla | x_link: paste dpkg -L unrar-free in pastebin |
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| 20:52.22 | odla | JordiGH: do you know anything about unrar-free? |
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| 20:52.36 | JordiGH | odla: No. |
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| 20:52.38 | x_link | odla: Should I do that as root? |
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| 20:52.44 | odla | x_link: doesn't matter |
| 20:52.50 | x_link | ok |
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| 20:53.23 | solemnwarning | What args should I give to startx to start the X server on tty7? |
| 20:54.04 | odla | x_link: you might need to install the unrar in non-free...so you should paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file too |
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| 20:54.07 | blondie | doesnt it do that anyway |
| 20:54.08 | blondie | ? |
| 20:54.10 | x_link | odla: http://pastebin.ca/260971 |
| 20:54.18 | x_link | Okey |
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| 20:54.36 | odla | x_link: try unrar-free -e foo and unrar-free foo |
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| 20:54.44 | odla | x_link: you may or may not need the -e |
| 20:54.57 | odla | the command is unrar-free not unrar |
| 20:55.13 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 20:55.21 | x_link | odla: I don't know if I did that last thing right- |
| 20:55.23 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/260973 |
| 20:55.50 | JordiGH | No, wait. This is strange. The file I want was uploaded a week ago! |
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| 20:55.55 | JordiGH | My mirror is outdated. :-( |
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| 20:56.41 | odla | x_link: http://pastebin.ca/260976 <-make it look like that |
| 20:56.51 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/260978 |
| 20:56.52 | x_link | OK |
| 20:57.23 | odla | x_link: so you may need to install unrar-nonfree which is in the non-free repository |
| 20:57.56 | odla | x_link: after adding that stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list run apt-get update and then run apt-cache search unrar...if there is an unrar-nonfree run apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 20:58.16 | odla | x_link: it's possible that unrar-free just doesn't work for that |
| 20:58.29 | odla | !info package unrar-nonfree |
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| 20:59.04 | odla | !info package unrar |
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| 20:59.07 | JordiGH | !info unrar |
| 20:59.08 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 20:59.10 | JordiGH | !info unrar-free |
| 20:59.18 | dpkg | unrar-free: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 20:59.23 | odla | ok |
| 20:59.40 | odla | x_link: apt-get install unrar...then afterwards you can run unrar -e foo |
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| 21:00.17 | Zvpun | how can I get the udf version of my dvdram disc? |
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| 21:00.45 | x_link | odla: I will now erase what's in my /etc/apt/sources.list and copy/paste what you wrote in pastebin.ca |
| 21:00.48 | x_link | Okey ? |
| 21:01.04 | odla | x_link: ok |
| 21:01.08 | x_link | Good |
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| 21:01.36 | stealth_ | hi i have a altec lansing usb sound card and in dmesg it shows: input: USB HID v1.00 Device [C-Media USB Headphone Set ] on usb-0000:00:07.2-1 but alsamixer says "no such device" |
| 21:01.37 | x_link | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-$ |
| 21:01.48 | x_link | odla: Should I delete that line as well ? That's the line on top. |
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| 21:01.59 | x_link | The first line, you didn't have that line when you showed me that url. |
| 21:02.09 | odla | x_link: yeah...it's a snapshot and it's not really any use |
| 21:02.22 | x_link | ok |
| 21:02.27 | odla | x_link: it's probably already outdated |
| 21:02.27 | x_link | Now I will paste what you wrote. |
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| 21:03.08 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/260992 |
| 21:03.12 | x_link | Does that look okey now? |
| 21:03.22 | stealth_ | uhhghggh this is wack |
| 21:03.47 | odla | x_link: get rid of # in front of the first deb line |
| 21:03.55 | abrotman | stealth_: might want to ask #alsa |
| 21:03.56 | odla | x_link: # are used for comments |
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| 21:04.01 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:04.22 | stealth_ | yea, so they can tell me to ask #debian |
| 21:04.27 | x_link | odla: Now I can save and exit then. |
| 21:04.35 | odla | x_link: yup and then run apt-get udpate |
| 21:04.36 | odla | update |
| 21:04.39 | odla | not udpate |
| 21:04.47 | x_link | ok |
| 21:05.34 | odla | ArcGIS sucks |
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| 21:06.14 | x_link | odla: Done. |
| 21:06.33 | odla | x_link: apt-get install unrar...then unrar -e foo should work |
| 21:06.41 | x_link | ok |
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| 21:07.24 | x_link | odla: unrar is now installed, should I do unrar -e foo "the filename here" ? |
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| 21:08.37 | odla | x_link: unrar -e filname.rar |
| 21:08.37 | odla | filename.rar |
| 21:08.40 | eldowan | I'm having a horrible time trying to connect to my cisco router via a serial port. I've tried a couple of programs(getty, kermit, minicom), but can't seem to get it working. Could someone give a hand? Etch, 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 21:09.13 | x_link | ok |
| 21:09.32 | x_link | odla: Just one last thing, as root? |
| 21:09.47 | odla | x_link: no as regular user |
| 21:09.56 | x_link | ok |
| 21:09.57 | odla | x_link: when in doubt run it as regular user first |
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| 21:10.18 | DogWater | Are there any specific packages you need to install in order to build kernel modules? |
| 21:10.20 | x_link | WOW |
| 21:10.24 | x_link | ALOT of text came upö |
| 21:10.27 | x_link | up. |
| 21:10.30 | blondie | !alot |
| 21:10.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 21:10.33 | x_link | But it worked though. |
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| 21:11.00 | x_link | Damn it. |
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| 21:11.08 | x_link | Totem doesn't have the module for this movie. |
| 21:11.11 | x_link | ;/ |
| 21:11.21 | JordiGH | !marillat |
| 21:11.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 21:11.31 | stew | DogWater: build-essential a -headers package for your kernel, maybe module-assistant, what are you trying to compile? |
| 21:11.34 | x_link | I translated that from swedish to english, so it might not be exact those words in english. |
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| 21:12.02 | blondie | ircdude2341: make your mind up would you |
| 21:12.36 | odla | x_link: you need w32codecs and maybe libdvdcss |
| 21:12.40 | DogWater | stew: a qlogic fc hba driver |
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| 21:13.12 | stew | DogWater: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:13.56 | DogWater | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:14.12 | stew | DogWater: you'll need to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 and build-essential, then |
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| 21:15.00 | DogWater | it amuses me to no end that the installer for the drivers from qlogic only works on sles and redhat |
| 21:15.31 | DogWater | make -j5 -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/build M=/usr/src/qlogic/v8.01.06-1/qla2xxx-8.01.06/extras modules >& |
| 21:15.40 | DogWater | it tries to run ^^ that |
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| 21:16.08 | DogWater | and just fails miserably |
| 21:16.11 | JordiGH | Companies still aren't used to this "diversity" thing. |
| 21:16.16 | stew | DogWater: what is wrong with that? |
| 21:16.22 | JordiGH | There's only one OS that really matters, right? |
| 21:16.36 | stew | DogWater: what does "readlink -f /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/build" say? |
| 21:16.52 | DogWater | ../usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:17.32 | stew | DogWater: ? that should be /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:17.42 | DogWater | oh |
| 21:17.45 | DogWater | well i added the .. |
| 21:17.48 | DogWater | because this lame client |
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| 21:18.28 | JordiGH | Ooh! 4kb/s! Feel the speed! |
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| 21:19.44 | DogWater | feh |
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| 21:20.47 | lunitik | JordiGH: On the bright side... could be a good time to go grocery shopping or something? :P |
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| 21:20.51 | DogWater | ah, i had to edit the crap |
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| 21:21.00 | JordiGH | lunitik: I guess I could go out to lunch. |
| 21:21.13 | lunitik | JordiGH: Sounds like a plan imo :D |
| 21:21.24 | DogWater | so it looks like it installed, anyone have a suggestion on how to build the new kernel with this new stuff it built? |
| 21:21.33 | Zvpun | how can I get the udf version of my dvdram disc? |
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| 21:25.32 | DogWater | stew: any further advice? |
| 21:25.42 | DogWater | stew: it made the driver in kernel-header |
| 21:26.14 | stew | DogWater: i don't understand. it sounds like everything worked |
| 21:26.21 | stew | "< DogWater> so it looks like it installed" |
| 21:26.31 | DogWater | stew: 'make' the module, dont you have to build a kernel or some such? |
| 21:26.38 | DogWater | err after you.. make |
| 21:26.41 | DogWater | i meant to say |
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| 21:27.26 | DogWater | or somehow tell the system to use the new driver which now resides in the /build directory? |
| 21:27.31 | DogWater | err.. build/ |
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| 21:28.28 | AndroidData | *sigh* |
| 21:28.45 | Flimqy | Is there a more effective way to determine how heavily the CPU is being taxed than refering to the CPU load average? |
| 21:28.54 | AndroidData | due to lack of help, I no longer have a link to my debian machine. resolv.conf is severely damaged and it's running in single-user mode. thanks guys. |
| 21:29.12 | DogWater | anywhoo, it built the driver in /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/build and im just trying to see how to activate the module |
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| 21:29.32 | stew | DogWater: make install |
| 21:29.46 | vulture | AndroidData: I'm not sure you could really say an absence of help was the cause - even if it may have presented you ending up in that state. |
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| 21:30.17 | xFlux | when mounting an NFS drive, every file I touch is owned by root:root......the directory I mounted it to is owned by pubftp:pubftp.....whats up with that? |
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| 21:30.24 | ulillilliaa | w |
| 21:30.43 | ulillilliaa | Grandpa was shitting all over my face, doing his perfect impersonation of Sid Ceaser while that torrent of good ol' country chocolate ran down my throat. “Give it to me Eustice! Give it to me!†I screamed, coughing on little bits of stringy sweet potato loosened from his butt by a thick buildup of tarry, black grease in his colon coated in a slippery layer of corn squeezins. A little bit of his rectum fell into my mouth and I knew Grandpa was dying. |
| 21:30.43 | ulillilliaa | Dying to fill me up with his death shit, his Last meconium. “Swing it boy! Eh! Swing it! Lap it all up, ol' son, ol' boy!†He reached for the pitchfork and I knew that we were both finished. He rested his anus on my dried out city lips and I felt the final throes of his sphincter pulsing as his smoky old throat shook with a death rattle. As the sound of Frank Sinatra sizzled into my ears, deafening me, I stuck my tongue in his pustuled protrusion and |
| 21:30.44 | ulillilliaa | shoveled out the rest of his mystery shit into my mouth. All I could hear was the last chorus of “New York New York†before he plunged the pitchfork into my distended stomach. The old lights fell from the ceiling and caught all the stale hay on fire, bringing the barn down on top of us along with searing, crinkling old Granny's photos that were stuffed in old boxes in the attic being burnt to dust. The memories of past times before the New Deal and ti |
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| 21:30.50 | AndroidData | vulture: :( |
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| 21:32.06 | DogWater | stew: can I send you a PM |
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| 21:32.42 | enouf | Flimqy: more effective than what? |
| 21:32.45 | Flimqy | AndroidData: No problem. |
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| 21:32.58 | Flimqy | AndroidData: If you feel like paying us, maybe our warranty will be worth more. |
| 21:33.14 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 21:33.16 | Flimqy | enouf: Well I'm finding the load average is not a very effective method of telling me if the CPU is in use _right now_... |
| 21:33.29 | Flimqy | enouf: Specifically after the load is very high, say, 30... |
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| 21:33.42 | enouf | Flimqy: how are you seeing the load average? |
| 21:33.43 | Melih85 | abend zusammen |
| 21:33.48 | Flimqy | enouf: If the CPU becomes immediately idle, it still takes at least 1 minute before the load average drops below 1 |
| 21:33.51 | DogWater | stew: so I ran this, make -j5 -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/build M=/usr/src/qlogic/v8.01.06-1/qla2xxx-8.01.06 and it built it, it said: make: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686' |
| 21:33.54 | Flimqy | enouf: w, ps, top, you pick. |
| 21:33.56 | infernix | Flimqy: load is also waiting disk IO. try top. |
| 21:33.58 | Melih85 | where can i download the files.. for pxe |
| 21:34.10 | Melih85 | this one |
| 21:34.13 | DogWater | stew: then i typed make install and it said make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 21:34.19 | infernix | Flimqy: top > push s > enter 0.1 > rejoice |
| 21:34.19 | Flimqy | infernix: Uhm. top is just as inaccurate as anything else that reports the load average. |
| 21:34.19 | Melih85 | wget ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/linux.bin |
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| 21:34.24 | protolnx | hi |
| 21:34.25 | Melih85 | i dont find the file |
| 21:34.29 | protolnx | for once and for all I'de like someone to tell me how to mount flash drive with user permissions when issuing the mount command. And please don't tell me to RTFMPSOB :-( I've read that shit through and through and still not being able to figure this @#$%^2 out |
| 21:34.33 | infernix | Flimqy: no it's not. top reports cpu usage as well as load. |
| 21:34.40 | Flimqy | infernix: That's still a 1-minute average. |
| 21:34.43 | enouf | Flimqy: all I can say is try htop perhaps ... or what infeernix basically said .. RTFM :-) |
| 21:34.51 | enouf | infernix: even |
| 21:34.58 | stew | DogWater: does the source that you are building contain a "INSTALL" or "README" ? |
| 21:35.00 | Flimqy | infernix: Updating more frequently doesn't make it more accurate. It just maks it inaccurate mroe frequently :P |
| 21:35.14 | DogWater | stew: yeah, but it pertains to its install script for sles and rhel |
| 21:35.17 | infernix | Flimqy: uhh, run top and notice the CPU percentages. are you saying those are derived from the uptime? |
| 21:35.33 | DogWater | it seems like it copied the compiled files into the build/ directory |
| 21:35.47 | DogWater | i just need to know how to take it that extra step... |
| 21:35.48 | Flimqy | infernix: How does top get the CPU usage % values? |
| 21:35.56 | infernix | Flimqy: read the source |
| 21:36.00 | Hoxzer | protolnx: pmount should lett you mount as normal user |
| 21:36.03 | Flimqy | ah, that's useful. |
| 21:36.13 | infernix | sure is. |
| 21:36.23 | Flimqy | Thanks anyway. |
| 21:36.44 | odla | protolnx: are you in the plugdev group? |
| 21:37.04 | stew | Flimqy: try "vmstat 1" |
| 21:37.29 | Flimqy | stew: spiffy. thanks |
| 21:37.32 | infernix | Flimqy: from the manpage (*drumroll*): %CPU - The task's share of the elapsed CPU time since the last screen update, expressed as a percentage of total CPU time. |
| 21:37.36 | odla | protolnx: type groups in a terminal |
| 21:37.41 | stew | Flimqy: that stuff generally reads /proc/stat and others |
| 21:38.16 | protolnx | odla yes, but what are the otpion I need to pass when doing mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash to have user permission for rw? I tried with -o and some options after mount and -O after everrything and never got it right |
| 21:38.51 | odla | protolnx: you should just be able to run pmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash as a regular user |
| 21:38.57 | Flimqy | I like the vmstat bit |
| 21:39.01 | Flimqy | I think that will do what I need |
| 21:39.18 | odla | protolnx: you could also edit /etc/fstab/ and add that device and add 'users' to it |
| 21:39.26 | infernix | Flimqy: also see man top > 2c. CPU States |
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| 21:39.40 | protolnx | odla mm... is not in plugdev :S |
| 21:39.48 | enouf | Flimqy: apt-cache show ascpu |
| 21:39.56 | odla | protolnx: there you go! |
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| 21:40.09 | odla | protolnx: as root...groups protolnx plugdev |
| 21:40.16 | Grimble | http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html is also a good resource monitor |
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| 21:42.15 | Flimqy | enouf: heh... that won't help me in my script very much. |
| 21:42.42 | enouf | Flimqy: if you obtain the source it might :-P .. |
| 21:42.49 | Flimqy | enouf: hehe |
| 21:43.02 | Flimqy | vmstat looks good... |
| 21:43.07 | Flimqy | but I need it to report for multiple CPUs |
| 21:43.25 | stew | Flimqy: you probably just want to parse /proc/stat yourself then |
| 21:43.29 | enouf | Flimqy: check sourceforge? |
| 21:43.34 | Flimqy | stew: maybe so. |
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| 21:48.05 | pippijn | is there any reason why I should use the amd64 version of jre instead of the i586 one? |
| 21:48.57 | tonsofpcs | if you have an amd64 instead of an i586 |
| 21:49.01 | pippijn | the former does not support applets and java web start |
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| 21:49.10 | pippijn | so why should I use it? |
| 21:49.20 | tonsofpcs | faster |
| 21:49.26 | pippijn | ok |
| 21:49.33 | pippijn | applets are nice |
| 21:49.34 | pippijn | but |
| 21:49.38 | DogWater | anyone know how to load a kernel module in debian? it doesnt have modprobe.conf |
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| 21:49.41 | pippijn | if I can use appletviewer it works for me |
| 21:49.45 | jbrouhard | Anyone have suggestions to get around this openbsd-inetd problem that i'm seeing all over the place / |
| 21:50.15 | pippijn | does anyone here have an amd64 with an amd64 version of jre? |
| 21:50.43 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 21:50.44 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:50.58 | onetinsoldier | DogWater: put it in /etc/modules? |
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| 21:51.12 | abrotman | pippijn: ask #debian-amd64 .. or #debian-java |
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| 21:51.27 | pippijn | abrotman: okay |
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| 21:53.19 | onetinsoldier | DogWater: also, there is a modprobe.conf man page... take a look at it. looks like it uses the /etc/modprobe.d directory |
| 21:53.31 | streuner | abrotman: is there a special reason why you *play* echo? |
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| 21:55.50 | jazbo2185 | Speaking of the jre... there was a lot in the news recently about Sun "open sourcing" java. Does this mean we don't have to do that annoying `make-jpkg` thing anymore? |
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| 21:56.12 | stew | jazbo2185: its been in non-free for a while on testing/unstable, and not its in non-free on backports.org |
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| 21:56.20 | odla | jazbo2185: it's in etch...it's been th |
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| 21:56.50 | stew | jazbo2185: the have started open-sourcing java, but not enough to make it usable yet |
| 21:57.05 | jbrouhard | Anyone know why netkit-inetd cannot be installed anymore |
| 21:57.08 | jbrouhard | let alone removed ? |
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| 21:57.39 | stew | jazbo2185: show us the command you are trying to run and the output, put it into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 21:57.42 | stew | jbrouhard: ^^^ |
| 21:57.47 | venger | my dovecot certificate expired and I dont recall generating a certificate manually. I looked for *mkcert* and cant find a mkcert.sh. Is there anything I can do with dpkg to get dovecot to regenerate a cert? |
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| 21:58.04 | dondelelcaro | !sslcert |
| 21:58.12 | snadge | i've just upgraded an ancient debian sid to the latest.. (like it was 3 years old and i had to fight it to update it).. now everything is cool except programs don't show up on my button window list (gnome), and for some reason, the keys on my keyboard won't repeat.. eg, hold x and you just get one x.. |
| 21:58.15 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: interesting.. i have it installed, and i replaced openbsd-inted with it just a couple of days ago. (using etch here) |
| 21:58.24 | dondelelcaro | !self signed ssl key |
| 21:58.24 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 21:58.29 | dondelelcaro | venger: ^^^ |
| 21:58.44 | venger | thanks I see it |
| 21:59.01 | petemc | venger: dpkg-reconfigure dovecot-common should generate a new cert |
| 21:59.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: sslcert is <reply> see self-signed ssl key |
| 21:59.03 | snadge | is the window selector a known issue? or am i just missing something |
| 21:59.03 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 22:01.00 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: doh... it's called inetutils-inetd on here... sorry i got the name wrong |
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| 22:02.54 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: are you running testing(etch)? |
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| 22:03.49 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: are you there? |
| 22:03.56 | jbrouhard | Yeah |
| 22:03.57 | jbrouhard | i'm here |
| 22:04.00 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 22:04.00 | jbrouhard | it's not testing |
| 22:04.01 | jbrouhard | it's sarge |
| 22:04.06 | onetinsoldier | ok.. roger |
| 22:04.14 | jbrouhard | here's the bug i'm refering to |
| 22:04.15 | jbrouhard | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396728 |
| 22:04.21 | jbrouhard | it breaks PLESK installs right off the bat |
| 22:04.23 | PDani | hi |
| 22:04.28 | jbrouhard | only way I have around it is to install from CD, and *NOT* upgrade |
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| 22:04.58 | onetinsoldier | ok.. i'll take a look at that bug now. i wouldn't know about sarge though |
| 22:04.58 | PDani | i have some troubles with installing python2.5-minimal on amd64 etch |
| 22:05.05 | PDani | pycentral: pycentral rtinstall: installed runtime python2.5 not found |
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| 22:05.11 | PDani | i got this message from dpkg |
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| 22:07.54 | pippijn | does the 32 bit jdk work on debian/amd64? |
| 22:08.49 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: yeah.. from the bug report it looks like it's broken in sarge :( |
| 22:09.58 | jbrouhard | yeppers |
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| 22:10.03 | jbrouhard | I'm wondering when this can be fixed |
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| 22:10.21 | jbrouhard | friend suggested doing security-only updates |
| 22:11.14 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: what if you put the netkit-inetd package on 'hold'? |
| 22:11.50 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: you know how to do that? |
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| 22:13.07 | muszek | hi... isn't there php5 in sarge repos? |
| 22:13.25 | jbrouhard | actually, onetinsoldier i don't.. |
| 22:13.44 | onetinsoldier | ok, np.. hang on |
| 22:13.56 | Coweater | !pdo muszek |
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| 22:14.09 | Coweater | !pdo |
| 22:14.09 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 22:14.16 | muszek | Coweater: what do you mean? |
| 22:14.20 | onetinsoldier | !hold |
| 22:14.20 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 22:14.27 | muszek | !pdo Coweater |
| 22:14.34 | Coweater | ... |
| 22:14.34 | jbrouhard | sweet |
| 22:14.38 | jbrouhard | thanks, onetinsoldier :) |
| 22:14.40 | onetinsoldier | :) |
| 22:14.52 | muszek | !help |
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| 22:15.03 | jbrouhard | I'll give it a try and see what happens |
| 22:15.17 | jbrouhard | I know openbsd-inetd is broken in sarge due to dependencies |
| 22:15.17 | onetinsoldier | you're welcome... note where it says you can tell apt to explicitly install a package |
| 22:15.21 | jbrouhard | and it'd take forever to fix it |
| 22:16.30 | muszek | Coweater: now I know what you meant... but I can't find php5 on packages.debian.org... what would be a suggested way of installing it? |
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| 22:17.05 | petemc | muszek: backport |
| 22:17.19 | muszek | petemc: right, thanks |
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| 22:17.58 | Trunks | hi |
| 22:17.59 | Trunks | all |
| 22:18.10 | Trunks | i was wonderinf |
| 22:18.12 | Trunks | wondering |
| 22:18.16 | Trunks | anyone know what web program for linux allows u to make a site with .ath.cx? |
| 22:18.24 | onetinsoldier | uggh gotta go for a while |
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| 22:21.15 | sanmarcos | what was the ip address of the root dns servers? starting with 4.0 ? |
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| 22:22.47 | stew | sanmarcos: for the root dns servers run "dig" |
| 22:24.07 | nash-20 | what is the package that configure /etc/hosts |
| 22:24.09 | nash-20 | ? |
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| 22:25.11 | stew | nash-20: base-config? |
| 22:25.33 | quintin | Trunks: dyndns.org |
| 22:25.40 | creichen | Hi! Does anyone happen to have a dovecot 1.0.rc15 package for sarge? (No, apt-get.org doesn't have one) |
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| 22:28.03 | abrotman | backports.org ? |
| 22:28.12 | abrotman | !tell creichen about backport |
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| 22:29.06 | chjunior | guys, somebody knows if the ISOs in the website know install in HD SATA without problems? |
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| 22:29.35 | stew | chjunior: which ISOs, which SATA? |
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| 22:30.20 | chjunior | stew, HD Serial ATA.... |
| 22:30.28 | abrotman | which SATA Controller ? |
| 22:30.39 | chjunior | stew, any ISO... maybe the netinst |
| 22:30.48 | abrotman | which netinst |
| 22:31.10 | chjunior | abrotman, wich of what? |
| 22:31.22 | blondie | I wouldnt bet on the sarge one working properly |
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| 22:31.37 | blondie | sarge refuses to mount my sata disks on boot |
| 22:31.46 | abrotman | chjunior: which SATA controller .. and which Netinst |
| 22:31.58 | stew | the sarge netinst works for some SATA controllers |
| 22:32.04 | chjunior | blondie, this is the question, is it fixed? |
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| 22:32.16 | chjunior | stew like what? is there some list? |
| 22:32.17 | abrotman | chjunior: which SATA controller .. and which Netinst |
| 22:32.31 | stew | chjunior: i don't know of a list |
| 22:32.46 | chjunior | stew: 80 Gb Serial ATA II - 7200 RPM - 8MB Buffer NCQ |
| 22:32.52 | abrotman | still not a controller ... |
| 22:33.20 | chjunior | abrotman, sorry, I really don`t know what you wants to know =/ |
| 22:33.21 | stew | chjunior: maybe |
| 22:33.35 | chjunior | abrotman... |
| 22:33.45 | abrotman | chjunior: is it a PERC4 controller? Sil3112 ... ICH6 etc |
| 22:33.55 | stew | chjunior: what chipset does the SATA controller have? |
| 22:34.41 | chjunior | stew, abrotman: dude... I don`t know =/ I`ll discover these informations and I come back here :D ok? |
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| 22:34.58 | stew | chjunior: dude, we don't know if it will be supported by the i don't know which netinst then |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | chjunior: and remember to tell us WHICH iso you're using |
| 22:35.30 | chjunior | abrotman: do you recomend some? |
| 22:35.36 | abrotman | the one you have perhaps ? |
| 22:36.11 | chjunior | abrotman: all the isos that I have are too old to support it.... I`ll have to download again |
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| 22:36.24 | abrotman | chjunior: to support WHAT? |
| 22:36.29 | stew | chjunior: which iso? |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | chjunior: you need to find out which controller you have before we can help you much further |
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| 22:37.05 | chjunior | abrotman, ok :D |
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| 22:37.23 | stew | chjunior: are you using a sarge iso? woody? etch? |
| 22:37.23 | abrotman | chjunior: once you have that .. we can tell you which netinst will support that controller |
| 22:37.27 | chjunior | stew: is a netinst with 1year old |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | potato! |
| 22:37.33 | stew | chjunior: are you using a sarge iso? woody? etch? |
| 22:37.38 | chjunior | abrotman: potato? |
| 22:37.55 | stew | chjunior: if its potato, it doesn't support your SATA |
| 22:37.59 | creichen | abrotman: Thanks-- backports.org doesn't quite have what I need, but it's still good to know about it :-) |
| 22:38.00 | chjunior | stew: is a woody |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | creichen: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:38.21 | abrotman | if it's woody .. likekly doesn't either |
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| 22:38.32 | stew | chjunior: possibly but not at all likely |
| 22:38.45 | chjunior | Sarge, maybe.... and Etch, probably? |
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| 22:39.33 | stew | chjunior: depends on the controller, and there are unofficial sarge installers which support any cards that etch would |
| 22:39.51 | creichen | abrotman: Ah, that's a more elegant version of what I'm doing (the build is actually failing, so I'll have to go through some more pains for this package). Thank you! |
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| 22:41.02 | niles | hi |
| 22:41.18 | niles | so what is sarge, woody, etch... are these sub distros ? |
| 22:41.25 | niles | do they just denote the versions ? |
| 22:41.27 | krazykit | niles: they're releases |
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| 22:41.32 | chjunior | stew.... ok :D I`ll tell you the controller tomorrow, because it is a computer that I`ll buy, so I have to call to the store.... and a BIG problem.... is SATA II, so it`s too new..... |
| 22:41.33 | niles | ok |
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| 22:41.52 | stew | niles: release names, currently sarge is stable, etch is testing, sometime hopefully soon, etch will be stable and lenny will be testing |
| 22:42.27 | niles | yea i hear december 4th. etch will be stable |
| 22:42.54 | stew | niles: definately not on december 4th, but hopefully sometime in december |
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| 22:43.16 | sanmarcos | chester chettah |
| 22:43.26 | jjazz | Wow. I've been a little out of it. Etch is going stable so soon. That's great work. |
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| 22:44.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:44.20 | chjunior | stew, do you know to tell me if the amd64 arch is now fully supported by Debian? And is it official now? |
| 22:44.48 | chjunior | stew, when I used it had many bugs.. so many "segmentation fault" |
| 22:44.50 | stew | chjunior: it isfully supported for sarge/etch/sid and will be released officially with etch |
| 22:45.05 | chjunior | humm |
| 22:45.18 | chjunior | stew, etch is the testing or unstable? |
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| 22:45.27 | stew | chjunior: etch is testing, sid is unstable |
| 22:45.31 | vulture | chjunior: unstable is never released (& is always called sid) |
| 22:45.33 | chjunior | stew: (sorry, I`ll never ask this again) |
| 22:45.55 | chjunior | vulture, thanks! I`ll remember this :D |
| 22:46.04 | cuse | Hi! What is the default GCC version in Debian unstable? That is with which GCC versions are packages in Sid compiled with? |
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| 22:48.20 | ^Ocean^ | Whats the command to chose what java enviroment im useing. I remember there was a command that would let me switch ffrom the blackhawd java and the Sun java |
| 22:48.39 | chjunior | cuse, I think that is 4.1 |
| 22:49.03 | abrotman | you really shouldn't use blackdown anymore |
| 22:49.13 | ^Ocean^ | i know this |
| 22:49.18 | ^Ocean^ | but my computer is stuck useing it |
| 22:49.27 | stew | !info gcc unstable |
| 22:49.29 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:4.1.1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 22:49.31 | ^Ocean^ | and i wanna switch the default too the other java |
| 22:49.43 | stew | cuse: 4.1.1 |
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| 22:50.12 | ^Ocean^ | i remember there being a silly lil command that i can type that well let me select them off a list like 1 for Blackdown and 2 for Sun Java |
| 22:50.33 | nevyn | update-alternatives --config java |
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| 23:01.34 | cuse | chjunior, stew: thanks |
| 23:02.15 | odla | is blackdown not developed anymore? |
| 23:02.53 | ^Ocean^ | dont think so |
| 23:03.05 | ^Ocean^ | and the sun java dont run for crap on my computer |
| 23:03.16 | ^Ocean^ | wont render applications correctly |
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| 23:16.20 | boutil | I have a question: what would you recommend to use: gaim or fam? I read several articles on the web, but i could not decide which one is best. |
| 23:17.34 | dondelelcaro | boutil: bitlbee is what we would recommend... |
| 23:18.26 | boutil | I wanted to say gamin and not gaim. Sorry for the confusion |
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| 23:20.19 | dondelelcaro | oh, right... between those two, more things are using gamin; I don't personally rememember which is better. |
| 23:21.47 | boutil | some say having problems with fam and recommend using gamin, but others say that gamin is even worse |
| 23:22.15 | lunitik | boutil: fam is less secure due to depends on portmap ... they both provide inotify support for the desktop though... KDE for instance has its own implementation of inotify, so doesn't need either.... |
| 23:22.33 | boutil | when I have fam installed and want to install gamin with aptitude, I get no particular message |
| 23:23.11 | boutil | but when I do the opposite, I get a negative score (-361). Can this be taken as a sign ? |
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| 23:24.07 | lunitik | boutil: Gamin tends to suck (rarely actually updates things that have changed in a reasonable amount of time), however FAM is a security risk... take your pic... or implement another inotify (or use KDE's...) |
| 23:24.34 | lunitik | pick* |
| 23:25.20 | boutil | lunitik:are you sure that KDE does not need any of them ? Since it is what I am using, I could remove gamin. However, it seems to exist some dependance problems when I try to do this. |
| 23:25.28 | lunitik | fam doesn't conflict gamin... gamin conflicts fam... this is why you get a negative score |
| 23:25.43 | lunitik | boutil: Yes, KDE implements inotify in kdebase |
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| 23:26.44 | benjamindees | I don't know if this is the place to ask but if I'm doing a recursive grep how can I make it stop once it's found one instance ? |
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| 23:28.14 | lunitik | boutil: no modern kde application will depend gamin... some older gtk/qt apps might however, I'm not sure.... |
| 23:28.19 | boutil | lunitik: I do not get a negative score though when I try to install gamin over fam. |
| 23:28.48 | lunitik | boutil: I told you... FAM does NOT conflict GAMIN.... |
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| 23:29.15 | lunitik | boutil: The maintainer appears to think its a good idea to have 2 inotify implementations installed :/ |
| 23:29.27 | stew | !conflicts gamin |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | gamin: fam |
| 23:29.42 | stew | lunitik: gamin conflicts with fam |
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| 23:30.00 | boutil | lunitik:thanks for the clarification on conflict. But it seems that a lot of KDE applications depend on libfam0 |
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| 23:30.09 | lunitik | !info fam |
| 23:30.11 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-11 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 23:30.52 | lunitik | That doesn't give conflicts... stew: apt-cache show fam ... apt-cache show gamin ... fam has no conflicts, gamin conflicts fam |
| 23:31.02 | lunitik | !conflicts fam |
| 23:31.05 | dpkg | fam: does not conflict with any other package |
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| 23:31.31 | lunitik | Hence what I've been trying to tell boutil :/ |
| 23:31.57 | lunitik | boutil: Name some... certainly in Sid/Etch, they shouldn't |
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| 23:32.49 | lunitik | boutil: I'd file a bug on all KDE applications that are built with fam or gamin actually, not necessary |
| 23:33.45 | lunitik | boutil: Means they are built with KDE <3.4 I think... which is OLD |
| 23:34.06 | boutil | lunitik: well, here is a short list of some apps complaining about me trying to remove gamin and libgamin0, that ships libfam0 |
| 23:34.20 | lunitik | (I'm not sure if kdebase inotify came with 3.4 or 3.5 ... hmm |
| 23:34.42 | boutil | kdevelop, konqueror, klipper,kicker,ksysguard,kalarm.kaffeine,.... |
| 23:34.52 | stew | lunitik: i certainly see things that depend on kdelibs 3.5 and libfam0 |
| 23:34.53 | lunitik | boutil: Is this sarge? :| |
| 23:35.14 | boutil | lunitik: it is sid (uptodate) |
| 23:35.43 | boutil | so trying to remove gamin pulls in automatically fam |
| 23:35.44 | lunitik | stew: Announcing that in #kde would cause a riot.... there is likely some logical reason? (perhaps kdebase-inotify doesnt support ARM or something?) |
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| 23:39.02 | stew | lunitik: i have no idea, i'm just looking at the output of apt-cache rdepends libfam0 |
| 23:39.09 | lunitik | MEH... kdelibs4c2a SUGGESTS fam :/ |
| 23:39.16 | lunitik | Its not a dep |
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| 23:41.22 | lunitik | grrr... libfam0 is a dep though... imo a bug should be filed on that, if there isn't one already.... |
| 23:41.38 | VolVE | hey all, I'm having trouble getting Amavis to add X-Spam headers to my messages and #amavis, #postfix, and #spamassassin are all dead to the world... anyone have any ideas? I've made sure my local_domains_maps contain the correct domains, and I've got -9999 as my sa_tag_level_deflt too... gah! :( |
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| 23:42.48 | defi__3x | hi all |
| 23:43.58 | boutil | lunitik: well, the number of package against which a bugreport has to filled is pretty huge. Is there a way to do this automatically ? |
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| 23:44.26 | lunitik | boutil: file it on kdelibs4c2a ... |
| 23:44.59 | lunitik | boutil: Everything else just depends kdelibs (which depends on that, which is where the fam dep is) |
| 23:45.11 | boutil | lunitik: thanks for the advice ! I will do that |
| 23:45.53 | defi__3x | Quick question, I like debian alot but I have one problem; I first tried ubuntu just to test the waters and decided to go straight debian but where do I get software? In ubuntu the repos had lotsa of apps like vmware, firefox 2.0, etc but straight debian dosen't. I know I could get them from unofficial repos or the sites theselves but I like using synaptic. Are there any extremely current repos from debian itself? (dont say etch because it still did'nt h |
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| 23:46.07 | lunitik | boutil: Ensure you note that kdebase supports inotify, and say that this is what should be used... although they'll likely close it siting some random arch that inotify doesn't work on :/ |
| 23:46.14 | tapas | what font am i missing if i see empty squares instead of some symbols i.e. on this page: |
| 23:46.17 | tapas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_metric |
| 23:46.19 | lunitik | (probably hurd or something actually) |
| 23:46.25 | tapas | [in konqueror] |
| 23:46.27 | odla | defi__3x: debian has firefox not vmware though |
| 23:46.33 | krazykit | defi__3x: the end of your line cut off... but... what's wrong with etch? |
| 23:47.08 | krazykit | defi__3x: and you can add the other debian repos |
| 23:47.10 | defi__3x | krazykit: nothing just the repos didn't have enough "current apps" in them.. |
| 23:47.22 | krazykit | defi__3x: well, if you're using sarge, of course not |
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| 23:47.28 | krazykit | sarge is not for desktops, IMO |
| 23:47.30 | pipeline | defi__3x: Debian will never be able to distribute VMware. Firefox 2.0 will never be in sarge or etch. |
| 23:47.35 | defi__3x | odla: I could though; use ubuntu repos if I wanted, right? |
| 23:47.38 | krazykit | no |
| 23:47.38 | lunitik | tapas: ttf-dejavu is supposed to contain such fonts... I'm not sure specifically though |
| 23:47.40 | krazykit | you can't. |
| 23:47.52 | krazykit | do NOT use ubuntu repos. great way to break your system |
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| 23:48.23 | defi__3x | krazykit: Kind of the reason i'm going straight debian |
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| 23:48.40 | odla | !ubuntu |
| 23:48.40 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 23:48.43 | krazykit | defi__3x: then don't use sarge if you want to be more up to date. |
| 23:48.50 | stoned | hi |
| 23:49.02 | defi__3x | krazykit: Is it safe to say that I will still be getting packages from the sites themselves and installing? |
| 23:49.04 | krazykit | defi__3x: and by up to date i mean "current upstream versions" |
| 23:49.28 | krazykit | defi__3x: only if you want a pain in the ass. seriously, etch is plenty stable for any desktop user |
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| 23:49.59 | archpollux | hi, i'm having problems updating debian-archive-keyring, gpg reports: gpg: waiting for lock (held by 25769 - probably dead) ... |
| 23:50.05 | krazykit | also, defi__3x, check out the other repos: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 23:50.18 | krazykit | lunitik: me too |
| 23:50.43 | defi__3x | krazykit: Etch is fine I have no problem using it, I am just looking for repos with a lot of 3'rd party apps like vmware, media codecs, etc... |
| 23:50.50 | lunitik | I've never ran Etch for more than a day without encountering issues... maybe I'm just unlucky? |
| 23:51.05 | krazykit | defi__3x: the extra debian repos might have them, or you can search on apt-get.org |
| 23:51.21 | pickcoder | I've been running Etch for a while now and not had any problems |
| 23:51.22 | spikeb | defi__3x: debian-multimedia has codecs and such |
| 23:51.45 | pickcoder | there were some issues with the initial 2.6.17 kernel but they appear to have been resolved |
| 23:52.06 | lunitik | s/recommended/recommending/ |
| 23:52.21 | spikeb | all of them? |
| 23:52.26 | krazykit | pretty much |
| 23:52.27 | spikeb | that puts it into the patent violating territory. |
| 23:52.36 | krazykit | i don't think it does wmv9 or mov |
| 23:52.39 | krazykit | spikeb: only in the us |
| 23:52.54 | krazykit | living in the US, i consider it to be "fair use" |
| 23:53.01 | defi__3x | Ok Ill try again, I will say as a word of advice DO NOT run debian and ubuntu on the same system |
| 23:53.01 | lunitik | spikeb: I haven't ran across any that aren't supported (wmv is supported in newer versions) |
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| 23:53.23 | lunitik | No idea about MOV though, I can't remember the last time I even ran into that format :/ |
| 23:53.28 | spikeb | lunaphyte_: yeah i noticed flash and wmv and quicktime are all supported nowadays |
| 23:53.33 | spikeb | er, lunitik |
| 23:53.40 | krazykit | lunitik: on apple's movie preview pages |
| 23:53.49 | defi__3x | I made the mistake thinking that it would be OK because they're both debian, but they don't play well togeather at all... |
| 23:53.52 | lunitik | krazykit: I've never used them :/ |
| 23:53.58 | krazykit | haha. there ya go |
| 23:54.06 | krazykit | no support for RealMedia, either, i bet |
| 23:54.08 | spikeb | defi__3x: they're both .deb but they're different |
| 23:54.13 | krazykit | but nobody has used that since 1995 |
| 23:54.31 | tapas | lunitik: ok, no dice |
| 23:54.32 | spikeb | i dont think anything but realplayer and/or ppc/w32codecs supports realmedia heh |
| 23:54.40 | krazykit | debian and ubuntu are source compatible, but not binary compatible |
| 23:54.40 | lunitik | tapas: wrt what? |
| 23:54.52 | tapas | lunitik: ttf-dejavu |
| 23:54.59 | tapas | lunitik: or maybe my font setup is wrong |
| 23:55.18 | lunitik | tapas: like I said, I'm not familier on the specifics... I simply said its *supposed* to have such things... |
| 23:55.23 | defi__3x | spikeb: yeah when I did that and it hosed my system beyond repair I decide against ubuntu |
| 23:55.29 | spikeb | defi__3x: heh |
| 23:55.29 | tapas | lunitik: yah |
| 23:55.53 | spikeb | cspan uses realvideo, unfortunately heh |
| 23:55.57 | tapas | hmm, in firefox it works |
| 23:56.02 | spikeb | i should bug them about supporting ogg theora |
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| 23:56.18 | krazykit | some packages will work on ubuntu and debian, but those are often proprietary things |
| 23:56.24 | lunitik | Claims to support it... but has never worked for me |
| 23:56.26 | krazykit | and with that, i'm off work. bye! |
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| 23:57.47 | defi__3x | thanks for the help guys |
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| 23:58.06 | jovans | i've got a question |
| 23:58.09 | lunitik | Still of the hopes that OGG Theora starts to fill the Real space.... better implementation of similar goals.... |
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| 23:58.31 | lunitik | jovans: unfortunatly, debian still doesn't contain 'crystal-ball' |
| 23:58.52 | pickcoder | it's still in design stage |
| 23:58.58 | jovans | is it possible to install debian sid (netinstall) and kde as the default D.E.? |
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| 23:59.07 | spikeb | it works _right now_ though |
| 23:59.12 | spikeb | even if they are still designing it |
| 23:59.39 | jovans | ? |
| 23:59.53 | lunitik | jovans: not really... netinst etch, don't choose desktop environment task, and proceed to dist-upgrade then install kde/xorg/etc |
| 23:59.54 | pickcoder | though I think the cross-dependencies for "mind-reading" and "telepathy" will prevent "crystal-ball" from being packaged |
