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| 00:00.46 | Zap-W | any idea why filesystem is divided into block groups ? what's the point of the block groups , why not make one group |
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| 00:01.00 | tuv | finally, an amarok rival for gnome: bmpx |
| 00:01.16 | x_link | Hi |
| 00:01.50 | x_link | I just downloaded/burned memtest86+, I shoul just reboot with the cd in my cd-burner and then memtest86+ will do the rest, right? |
| 00:01.53 | jelly | tuv: I wonder why there has to be an equivalent for each and every app that the other DE has. |
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| 00:02.48 | tuv | jelly, that's not the case, but people need the functionality of some programs initially available in other DEs only. |
| 00:02.58 | pickcoder | x_link: yes, if your PC will boot from CD |
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| 00:03.07 | x_link | pickcoder: Yes. |
| 00:03.11 | jelly | tuv: why not... run amarok? |
| 00:03.11 | pickcoder | x_link: the memtest ISO is a bootable image |
| 00:03.12 | x_link | First Boot is CD |
| 00:03.18 | sphenxes | jelly, ic, i will try to be carefull |
| 00:03.20 | tuv | jelly, i wanted an amarok-like tool that fits with gnome better |
| 00:03.22 | x_link | ok. |
| 00:03.25 | x_link | Then I will run it now. |
| 00:03.26 | x_link | Thanks pickcoder ! |
| 00:03.34 | plugwash | tuv because its important in kde vs gnome pissing contests |
| 00:03.45 | plugwash | if you have an app the other side doesn't you can claim your better |
| 00:03.54 | tuv | jelly, i'm still using amarok. i'll not prevent myself from using any tool. but i do prefer gnome looks |
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| 00:05.17 | tuv | btw, i'm looking for an xmms-like lightweight player that i can use with cron as an alarm. any suggestions? |
| 00:05.33 | pipeline | tuv: just use madplay |
| 00:05.40 | plugwash | why can't you use xmms? |
| 00:05.43 | jelly | tuv: does it have to have a gui? |
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| 00:06.03 | tuv | jelly, yes, so that i can stop it easily :) |
| 00:06.16 | DJ-Pyro | in the etch installer, I'm getting "Failed to determine the codename for the release."...any easy fixes to that? |
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| 00:06.52 | jelly | tuv: 0 8 * * * env DISPLAY=:0 amarok --play :-P |
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| 00:07.15 | tuv | jelly, amarok is too much for this. i prefer something lighter |
| 00:07.26 | jelly | tuv: well, if it's already running... |
| 00:08.03 | tuv | jelly, if i don't find it light enough for my alarm, then i probably won't keep it running all the time |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | DJ-Pyro: which ISO ? |
| 00:08.41 | tuv | jelly, i have 512MB ram only :/ |
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| 00:09.05 | tuv | jelly, and have azureus running almost contineously |
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| 00:09.12 | jelly | tuv: use any old console player (mpg321) and bind a button on the screen to eg. "killall mpg321"? |
| 00:09.55 | tuv | jelly, so there isn't anyting like xmms nowadays? |
| 00:10.01 | jelly | tuv: I have 512MB too and amarok is always on. The memory hungry java torrent client isn't, though. |
| 00:10.08 | zinx | tuv: there's xmms |
| 00:10.13 | pickcoder | java in general is a hog |
| 00:10.36 | jelly | pickcoder: it works. |
| 00:10.42 | tuv | zinx, not for me. it doesn't start here |
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| 00:10.49 | pickcoder | so does painting with a bucket |
| 00:10.49 | zinx | tuv: Then fix it. |
| 00:10.53 | pickcoder | but it's not pretty |
| 00:10.59 | zinx | tuv: WorksForMe |
| 00:11.03 | tuv | zinx, that was what i first attempted |
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| 00:11.11 | bismark | pickcoder, http://pastebin.archlinux.org/204 |
| 00:11.39 | zinx | tuv: maybe you have a broken third-party plugin? |
| 00:12.00 | tuv | zinx, i don't have any plugins |
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| 00:12.11 | pickcoder | bismark: that should execute |
| 00:12.12 | tuv | zinx, at least i'm not aware of any |
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| 00:12.49 | bismark | pickcoder, yes, but telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
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| 00:13.00 | bismark | pickcoder, when i try telnet ip 3389 |
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| 00:13.48 | cunzhang | hi, why I `man sqrt` return "No manual entry for sqrt".What package should I apt-get ? |
| 00:13.51 | DJ-Pyro | abrotman, debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso off of the devel/debian-installer page |
| 00:14.02 | abrotman | DJ-Pyro: a daily or RC1 or what ? |
| 00:14.09 | DJ-Pyro | rc1 |
| 00:14.12 | sven_ | cunzhang: maybe you want 'bc' |
| 00:14.12 | pickcoder | bismark: are you telnetting to IP .110? |
| 00:14.34 | DJ-Pyro | I'm console redirect installing on a sun X4100, the drive is actually a virtual usb device..cool technology but endless problems :) |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | DJ-Pyro: oh .. it's sparc ? |
| 00:14.42 | pickcoder | bismark: the INPUT statements are blocking all networks from coming in except 10. as well. |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | oh .. that's amd64 |
| 00:14.50 | cunzhang | sven_, still can't |
| 00:14.59 | pickcoder | bismark: so if you are on 12.0.0.1 then you can't touch any port |
| 00:14.59 | DJ-Pyro | no, amd64 but I'm using the 386 installer |
| 00:15.05 | abrotman | DJ-Pyro: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:15.07 | cunzhang | I have installed manpages |
| 00:15.10 | DJ-Pyro | it's their dual core amd opteron line |
| 00:15.20 | bismark | pickcoder, im not on 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:15.31 | sven_ | cunzhang: bc -l |
| 00:15.32 | zinx | tuv: you're really sure you don't have any third-party plugins installed? |
| 00:15.35 | sven_ | cunzhang: sqrt(8) |
| 00:15.49 | DJ-Pyro | ahh, I tried #debian-boot on freenode but got sent to ##debian-boot and was alone so that helps |
| 00:15.53 | tuv | zinx, no. how can i make sure? |
| 00:15.53 | DJ-Pyro | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:16.08 | abrotman | tuv: what's wrong with xmms ? |
| 00:16.17 | bismark | pickcoder, well, just Trying 10.128.50.110..., and nothing happen |
| 00:16.28 | tuv | zinx, i have no other package with xmms in its name, according to dpkg |
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| 00:16.30 | cunzhang | sven_, I want the manpage of c function sqrt |
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| 00:16.42 | cunzhang | sven_, sorry :) |
| 00:16.46 | sven_ | then install the dev manpages |
| 00:16.49 | zinx | tuv: mv ~/.xmms ~/.xmms-backup |
| 00:16.53 | zinx | tuv: then try starting it |
| 00:16.56 | abrotman | tuv: there is zinf too |
| 00:17.00 | zinx | tuv: if it starts, tar up .xmms-backup and send it to me |
| 00:17.03 | plugwash | DJ-Pyro yeah, freenode take down the banners for a move to another net and redirect to an "about" channel after a set period |
| 00:17.26 | zinx | though i'll be departing shortly |
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| 00:17.51 | cunzhang | sven_, thank you |
| 00:17.54 | tuv | zinx, hmm.. it worked! |
| 00:18.00 | cunzhang | that's ok |
| 00:18.52 | plugwash | its understandable, they don't wan't to be used as an advertising billboard for other networks but imo it shows the advantages of having your channels on your own network from the start (oftc could be considered to be spi's network so at least partly related to debian) |
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| 00:20.26 | tuv | zinx, hmm.. it's the double-size thingy. once i hit the double-size button the same problem appeared again: 'Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)\n serial 1787 error_code 8 request_code 72 minor_code 0' and 100% cpu usage |
| 00:20.40 | abrotman | wait .. how did that go .. hrm ... |
| 00:20.42 | gravity | Heh, I'm actually playing wtih hugs right now ;-) |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | gravity: better than drugs |
| 00:21.07 | gravity | Crack is wack yo |
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| 00:21.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:21.26 | jelly | word |
| 00:21.53 | quintin | ping daecom.biz please? |
| 00:21.55 | tonyb2006 | anyone know about the R300 driver, last I used it, it diddn't support the Radeon XPress 200M |
| 00:22.10 | tonyb2006 | and fglrx sucks on the 200M also |
| 00:22.11 | abrotman | tonyb2006: docs should be at x.org |
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| 00:22.43 | zignig | gravity: mmm haskell , freaky but interesting. |
| 00:22.46 | gravity | zignig! |
| 00:22.51 | zignig | gravity: YO! |
| 00:22.54 | zignig | :) |
| 00:22.55 | gravity | zignig: How've you been? |
| 00:23.10 | zignig | gravity: good, busy for ages. |
| 00:23.25 | zignig | gravity: got a week off work so i'm sitting around drinking lots of beer. |
| 00:23.32 | gravity | zignig: Hehe, that's the spirit! |
| 00:23.35 | tuv | turns out bmpx is not nearly as interesting as i thought.. back to amarok |
| 00:23.39 | tonyb2006 | "here is no 3D for Xpress 200M Northbridge integrated gpus due to undisclosed memory initialisation (july 2006)." |
| 00:23.44 | tonyb2006 | there* |
| 00:23.44 | tonyb2006 | damnit |
| 00:24.00 | tuv | although i admit, bmpx UI is neat |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | tonyb2006: you could ask #xorg |
| 00:24.23 | zignig | gravity:bleh? |
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| 00:24.30 | gravity | zignig: Dunno |
| 00:24.42 | gravity | Haven't been in a while |
| 00:24.45 | quintin | anyone here know how to setup ssl on apache2 for vhosts? |
| 00:25.00 | stealth | where can i get wlanctl-ng through apt-get ? |
| 00:25.00 | zignig | gravity: no one there atm. |
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| 00:25.09 | quintin | I created a cert, and told apache to listen on 443, but I still can't get at my site with https:// |
| 00:25.10 | gravity | Yeah, it may well be defunct |
| 00:25.14 | jelly | quintin: just define a separate vhost? |
| 00:25.28 | gravity | zignig: I had to cut down on channels. |
| 00:25.39 | jelly | quintin: do you have a separate ip for each ssl host? |
| 00:25.45 | zignig | gravity: there are still people attached, just no one responding. |
| 00:25.46 | quintin | jelly: maybe I will? don't answer a question with a question. |
| 00:25.50 | gravity | Ah |
| 00:25.53 | abrotman | quintin: errors are good |
| 00:25.53 | quintin | jelly: no. I only need ssl for one vhost though |
| 00:26.29 | quintin | abrotman: I'm not getting any error msgs |
| 00:26.33 | jelly | quintin: do you get connection refused or what? |
| 00:26.41 | abrotman | you can't use ssl with name based vhosts |
| 00:27.01 | quintin | jelly: I get activity icon in my browser constantly spinning |
| 00:27.28 | quintin | abrotman: sure you can.. |
| 00:27.30 | jelly | quintin: that doesn't tell us much. what about "telnet foo.example.com 443"? |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | quintin: no .. you can't |
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| 00:27.51 | quintin | jelly: the port is open. |
| 00:27.57 | jelly | abrotman: yes you can, I you only use one name per ip. ;-) |
| 00:28.02 | jelly | s/I/if/ |
| 00:28.11 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 00:28.16 | quintin | abrotman: yes.. you can. I have it on good authority |
| 00:28.24 | abrotman | quintin: with one IP? and multiple names? |
| 00:28.26 | jelly | quintin: on a single ip? no way. |
| 00:28.43 | quintin | 2s, I'll look it up on the site.. |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | you can't have https://www1.domain.com/ and https://www2.domain.com/ on the same IP |
| 00:29.07 | abrotman | it has to do with different levels of TCP |
| 00:29.39 | jelly | stupid ssl standard didn't have vhosts implemented. ;-) |
| 00:29.57 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:30.08 | treitter | geo-rge, dondelelcaro: apparently I wasn't applying against a clean copy of the debian source tarball. So it looks like it worked out. Thanks for your help! |
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| 00:30.47 | quintin | Ok, in the forum I have admin I trust saying that he's done it. he also says he doesn't remember how. hm :p |
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| 00:30.53 | quintin | http://logs.dyndns.dk/thread.php?thread=68 |
| 00:30.58 | jelly | quintin: he's lying. :-P |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | quintin: he's wrong .. flat out wrong |
| 00:31.03 | quintin | http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/Administration/MoreApache/MoreApache1/comments/979266381/300185230 |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | not found |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | 404! |
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| 00:31.52 | abrotman | quintin: apache1 or 2 ? |
| 00:32.16 | quintin | abrotman: the link would suggest apache1 |
| 00:32.27 | quintin | wayback doesn't have the page |
| 00:32.41 | quintin | oh and the first link you can't view unless you're logged into logs.dyndns.dk |
| 00:32.50 | abrotman | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts |
| 00:32.58 | abrotman | okay.. so STILL for apache2 .. not possible .. have a nice day! |
| 00:33.04 | Spergeon | Ciao OnoIDE |
| 00:33.09 | flamesrock | whats the command to get the total disk usage for a folder without listing the subfolders? |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 00:33.15 | quintin | abrotman: I find your lack of faith disturbing. |
| 00:33.15 | abrotman | flamesrock: du |
| 00:33.17 | OnoIDE | Ciao Spergeon ....che pacere |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:33.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 00:33.26 | flamesrock | abrotman: please reread |
| 00:33.31 | jelly | I'm unfortunately rather intimate with apache 1.3 config, and one can't do it. A friend tried do configure it, but only one ssl vhost works (I think the first). |
| 00:33.33 | abrotman | don't use -s |
| 00:33.48 | flamesrock | hmm I go |
| 00:33.50 | flamesrock | du folder |
| 00:33.59 | flamesrock | it lists everything with corresponding usage |
| 00:34.01 | quintin | jelly: well.. Gnark sez otherwise. |
| 00:34.09 | quintin | jelly: can I have just 1 vhost with ssl then? |
| 00:34.14 | jelly | quintin: oh, and the second ip will cost you $10 ;-) |
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| 00:34.25 | flamesrock | err nm I got it! |
| 00:34.27 | flamesrock | with the s |
| 00:34.30 | flamesrock | haha, thanks |
| 00:34.37 | jelly | quintin: only one, yes. |
| 00:34.38 | abrotman | i thought you didn't want subfoldres? |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | gnark is wrong .. ask #apache too |
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| 00:35.12 | abrotman | flamesrock: you can also use --max-depth |
| 00:35.16 | quintin | Gnark is not wrong. He works for a huge provider in DK. |
| 00:35.28 | flamesrock | thats awesome |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | you CANNOT have two ssl vhosts on one IP |
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| 00:35.37 | abrotman | it's not technically possible |
| 00:35.47 | quintin | How much money will you wager? :D |
| 00:35.57 | Guerin | quintin: 1,000,000 of your currency |
| 00:36.07 | jelly | quintin: 100 EUR good enough for you? |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | double down! |
| 00:36.10 | Guerin | quintin: payable to the debian project |
| 00:36.16 | plugwash | abrotman i thought you could but they had to use the same certificate |
| 00:36.23 | jelly | Guerin: you're just ruining it! |
| 00:36.26 | stew | you can have more than on ssl on the same ip |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | they end up going to the same website |
| 00:36.33 | stew | but they have to be separate ports :) |
| 00:36.33 | Guerin | plugwash: but a certificate can only have one named host |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | stew: cheater! |
| 00:36.43 | jelly | stew: heh |
| 00:36.46 | plugwash | Guerin i thought it could contain wildcards |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | quintin: do you realize how many people are telling you it's not possible ? .. and oyu're willing to gamble ? |
| 00:37.05 | Guerin | plugwash: well, it can contain anything - but that don't make the certificate a valid match |
| 00:37.08 | quintin | abrotman: Yes. Yes. |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | even the apache FAQ says it won't work |
| 00:37.10 | stew | the point is that the ssl connection is established before the client is able to tell the server which vhost it is looking for |
| 00:37.17 | abrotman | quintin: okay .. you find the proof |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | i've shown you where the apache project says it's not possible |
| 00:37.48 | Guerin | I get around it by forcing anything that needs ssl through secure.tld.com |
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| 00:37.51 | quintin | stew: yea. SSL is below HTTP. So no HTTP Host: header |
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| 00:38.06 | quintin | abrotman: Yes. The apache FAQ is incorrect. |
| 00:38.12 | Guerin | quintin: proof |
| 00:38.20 | r3tex | how come in linux with heavy disk usage, the system becomes very unresponsive? Not just debian. I don't think the disk scheduler makes much of a difference IMO. Have I configured something in my kernel wrong every time? |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | quintin: would you like to join me in #apache? |
| 00:38.25 | heh_v_water | Am I wrong in thinking if a person got one of those *.domain.com certs that you could effectively run multiple vhosted sites on a single ip maybe? |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | not SSL |
| 00:38.37 | Guerin | quintin: set one up: two different vhosts, with the same (valid) certificate, on the same ip and port. |
| 00:38.40 | quintin | abrotman: would you like to join me #outside? |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | quintin: find us ANY proof |
| 00:38.58 | Guerin | r3tex: how heavy? |
| 00:39.01 | quintin | Sure, sure. |
| 00:39.03 | quintin | I shall. |
| 00:39.12 | Guerin | r3tex: and what filesystem and hardware. |
| 00:39.20 | stew | and then create a perpetual motion machine |
| 00:39.24 | abrotman | you cannot run two SSL name based vhosts on the same IP/port (and expect them to go to different file locations) |
| 00:39.28 | jelly | heh_v_water: that could be doable, but they'd all have to be foo.domain.com |
| 00:39.57 | heh_v_water | jelly, right.. I've seen commerce setups like that |
| 00:40.14 | Guerin | heh_v_water: they're not a valid match if the name on the cert isn't exactly the name of the server |
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| 00:40.30 | Guerin | heh_v_water: so *.foo.com on a cert is NOT valid for badgers.foo.com |
| 00:40.48 | heh_v_water | umm Guerin you can go get certs that cover entire domains I believe |
| 00:40.51 | jelly | Guerin: yes, it is. |
| 00:40.52 | heh_v_water | a single cert |
| 00:40.58 | heh_v_water | and all subs |
| 00:41.05 | Guerin | just because you can GET them don't make them valid |
| 00:41.19 | heh_v_water | well i wonder why godaddy would do that? |
| 00:41.19 | Guerin | i can issue you a certificate for anything I like - don't make it valid |
| 00:41.28 | r3tex | Guerin, on my old Thinkpad with IDE drives and on my new VAIO with SATA drives, all filesystems. I usually use CFQ scheduler. Like when beagled starts indexing, not when a linear copy is made. It seems to be when lots of tiny random files are read/written. |
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| 00:41.38 | jelly | Guerin: see the cert. at eg. https://moj.iskon.hr/ |
| 00:41.55 | Guerin | the only point of a ssl certificate is to verify that the server you're giving your encrypted data to is the same one named in the cert |
| 00:41.56 | FarrisG | Can anyone help me troubleshoot why my userdb auth doesn't appear to be working? |
| 00:41.58 | abrotman | is this my night to deal with difficult people? :) |
| 00:41.58 | Guerin | THE SAME one |
| 00:42.01 | FarrisG | I have generated a test userdb file that appears to be in the correct format |
| 00:42.08 | FarrisG | however, after I makeusrdb and try to auth against it, the log says "userdb: entry not found" |
| 00:42.15 | FarrisG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.16 | Guerin | not one of an arbitrary group decided upon by the eejit farmers who run the host |
| 00:42.17 | heh_v_water | let me put it another way, godaddy offers A CERT that covers a single domain and all of it's subs for like 300 US a year |
| 00:42.33 | Guerin | heh_v_water: I can offer yout hat same cert for $2 per year. |
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| 00:42.49 | Guerin | heh_v_water: (the only catch is it's not recognised by browsers, by default) |
| 00:42.54 | heh_v_water | Guerin, but yours wont do me any good I will still get the pop-up |
| 00:42.59 | Guerin | heh_v_water: EXACTLY |
| 00:43.07 | zignig | Guerin: hehe |
| 00:43.07 | Guerin | this is 100% arbitrary |
| 00:43.51 | zignig | Guerin: have you looked at the default root certs in you browser ? I don't even know who half of them are ....... |
| 00:44.03 | zignig | Guerin: all a matter of 'trust' ... |
| 00:44.26 | Guerin | zignig: right. |
| 00:44.27 | heh_v_water | well we would *hope* there is a governing body over he root certificates |
| 00:44.32 | jelly | Guerin: well, the browsers accept wildcard certs now. |
| 00:44.37 | Guerin | heh_v_water: hope as much as you like. |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | did we get proof yet? |
| 00:44.54 | Guerin | jelly: irrelevant. |
| 00:45.00 | Guerin | abrotman: no, because there is none. |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:45.05 | heh_v_water | yes Guerin and I also hope one day debian will be idiot proof and as you say i can hope as much as I would like |
| 00:45.21 | Guerin | heh_v_water: hope springs eternal |
| 00:45.28 | zignig | heh_v_water: idiots are far too tricky to proof against them ;P |
| 00:45.30 | Guerin | heh_v_water: nature will keep making better idiots |
| 00:45.52 | heh_v_water | yes technical darwinism maybe.. ha! |
| 00:46.27 | zignig | Guerin: Darwin you bastard! ...... , never kill cockroaches you are just amking them faster and smarter as a race. <grrr> |
| 00:46.43 | heh_v_water | hehe |
| 00:46.43 | r3tex | ok fine, other question. When I disconnect my usb network card. khubd jumps to 99% cpu... any ideas why? |
| 00:47.16 | Guerin | zignig: it's either lots of smart, tough, fast ones .... or hundreds of billions of slow, dumb, weak ones |
| 00:47.33 | zignig | Guerin: true, much like windows users. |
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| 00:47.40 | stealth | where can i get wlanctl-ng through apt-get ? |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | PROOF! |
| 00:48.08 | zignig | r3tex: do you drop the IP interface before you disconnect it ? |
| 00:48.23 | r3tex | zignig, no :| is that something I should do? |
| 00:48.33 | DiaboluZ | Hi, i am on the search for a GUI traffic statistik tool, anyone who knows one? :) |
| 00:48.39 | r3tex | zignig, i didn't think the lappy would get that pissed about it |
| 00:49.06 | zignig | r3tex: perhaps , it shouldn't. But if you drop it first 'ifdown ethX' then pull it out. |
| 00:49.17 | zignig | r3tex: see if that makes a difference. |
| 00:49.20 | r3tex | ok, I'll try now |
| 00:49.37 | r3tex | I'll blame you if my computer crashes now ;) |
| 00:49.57 | zignig | r3tex: \/\/ <- whateva! :P |
| 00:51.24 | r3tex | zignig, wow!! will you marry me? |
| 00:51.32 | r3tex | zignig, ok it worked. strange though =/ |
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| 00:51.42 | r3tex | one would think that khubd shouldn't be that delicate |
| 00:51.47 | r3tex | oh well |
| 00:51.50 | darkposeiden | how do I make apt-get download an unstable version of a package? |
| 00:51.52 | r3tex | gotta remember from now on |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | darkposeiden: why? |
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| 00:52.26 | abrotman | mixing is bad |
| 00:52.26 | Guerin | darkposeiden: man apt-get |
| 00:52.26 | darkposeiden | I need the unstable version fo bacula |
| 00:52.26 | Guerin | !need |
| 00:52.26 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 00:52.26 | darkposeiden | apt-get -t does not work for some reason according to the man page |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | darkposeiden: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:52.30 | r3tex | hehe :D |
| 00:52.31 | Guerin | darkposeiden: man sources.list |
| 00:52.37 | Guerin | darkposeiden: man apt_preferences |
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| 00:53.04 | DiaboluZ | No one who got an idea? :( |
| 00:53.04 | zignig | darkposeiden: why do you "need" it, stable is working fine for me. |
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| 00:53.07 | r3tex | i need beer :( |
| 00:53.20 | darkposeiden | zignig: its not working fine for me, it has some fixes I require for my tape drive |
| 00:53.23 | CHodapp | why would my grandmother need insulin shots? I'm doing fine without them. |
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| 00:53.53 | Guerin | CHodapp: are you telling me darkposeiden has a medical condition which requires use of a particular backup tool? |
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| 00:54.13 | r3tex | ooh ooh anyone here have utf8? i came up with a cool band name (don't steal it) : φr <== cool |
| 00:54.14 | CHodapp | are you trying to get me to suggest that people have different neds? |
| 00:54.16 | onetinsoldier | darkposeiden: you can add untable to your sources.list.. then apt-get update, then install the program, then comment out unstable in your sources.list again, and apt-get update again... or, there is even yet another way |
| 00:54.17 | CHodapp | s/neds/needs/ |
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| 00:54.49 | zignig | darkposeiden: sure, that would just be the storage daemon ( i think ), try just updating that manually. |
| 00:54.54 | r3tex | darkposeiden, get the package by hand from packages.debian.org |
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| 00:55.05 | Guerin | CHodapp: a need is different from a requirement which is different from a desire which is different from a whimsical fancy |
| 00:55.16 | zignig | darkposeiden: mixing stable and unstable can be more work that it's worth, trust me i've tried it. |
| 00:55.33 | r3tex | it's not a problem if the package doesn't have a zillion dependencies |
| 00:55.35 | r3tex | like flash9 |
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| 00:55.45 | heh_v_water | is that in unstable now? |
| 00:55.49 | r3tex | yep |
| 00:55.51 | Guerin | r3tex: flash9 isn't in debain, so it's not really applicable/. |
| 00:55.55 | r3tex | sure it is |
| 00:55.58 | CHodapp | Guerin, do you know what he needs? |
| 00:55.59 | r3tex | in unstable i think |
| 00:56.04 | CHodapp | flash9 is proprietary, would it be in Debian? |
| 00:56.10 | darkposeiden | zignig: I don't want to mix and match versions since I'm not sure they are cross compatible |
| 00:56.10 | r3tex | in non-free |
| 00:56.11 | Phated | Guerin: Which is different from a hankering. |
| 00:56.17 | scanf | its in non-free |
| 00:56.21 | CHodapp | aaaah |
| 00:56.23 | philip | Guerin, is it cold over there? |
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| 00:56.33 | Guerin | specifically, a script to download and install flash is in debian |
| 00:56.54 | heh_v_water | was -20F here this morning |
| 00:57.01 | Guerin | that's not really going to cut it as an example, but your statement that some things hich don't require complex deps is true. |
| 00:57.04 | r3tex | wow where do you live? :D |
| 00:57.10 | heh_v_water | Montana |
| 00:57.10 | scanf | hey... can ext3 stuff itself? |
| 00:57.12 | r3tex | here in sweden we have tropical weather |
| 00:57.15 | r3tex | like 10C |
| 00:57.18 | Guerin | philip: nope, a bit under 20°C |
| 00:57.25 | scanf | I just deleted about 700MB |
| 00:57.36 | scanf | df -k said 58% used |
| 00:57.53 | scanf | suddenly the harddisk spins and spins |
| 00:57.56 | Phated | 10C isn't tropical. |
| 00:58.01 | scanf | the system freezes |
| 00:58.04 | zignig | darkposeiden: do you run bacula sd/fd all on an isolated machine. |
| 00:58.06 | zignig | ? |
| 00:58.06 | scanf | had to reboot |
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| 00:58.09 | Guerin | scanf: sounds more like hardware to me |
| 00:58.16 | Phated | (Well, neither is Sweden) |
| 00:58.21 | scanf | then df -k sadi 57% |
| 00:58.26 | scanf | said |
| 00:58.34 | scanf | I looked at syslog |
| 00:58.56 | scanf | and it said all these "unrefenced inodes" were deleted on reboot |
| 00:59.59 | scanf | which explins the decrease from 58% to 57% |
| 00:59.59 | scanf | appears to me that the rm -r didn't clean up th einodes |
| 00:59.59 | scanf | the inodes |
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| 01:00.32 | scanf | can ext3 stuff itself with large (> 500MB) file operations likethat? |
| 01:00.46 | scanf | BTW |
| 01:01.20 | philip | it handles it fine |
| 01:01.27 | philip | but you should checkout XFS if you are into more performance |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | Guerin: where'd the proof go ? |
| 01:02.24 | scanf | the out-of-control harddisk activity began when I ran a script that referenced this removed directory |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:02.31 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 01:04.00 | scanf | that, with the syslog inode messages makes me suspect that the files were deleted with the rm -r, but not all of the inodesfor some reason (??!!) |
| 01:04.17 | scanf | the system folded upon encountering the problem |
| 01:04.50 | scanf | that's what I suspect |
| 01:04.51 | heh_v_water | well flash player 9 still wont do transparent backgrounds with firefox :P blaaah |
| 01:04.52 | r3tex | Phated, heh it's usually a bit colder this time of year |
| 01:05.09 | r3tex | i think it's global warming. I'm waiting for the day after tomorrow (pun intended) |
| 01:05.12 | r3tex | ok reboot time |
| 01:05.33 | sandman | Will it be possible one day for X to change screen depths? Such as if a game, such as Starcraft, were to require 8bpp, it would be able to switch to 640x480@8bpp |
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| 01:05.48 | scanf | yes |
| 01:05.51 | sandman | Good :) |
| 01:05.55 | scanf | set up a separate xconfig |
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| 01:06.03 | scanf | its on the web |
| 01:06.05 | abrotman | heh_v_water: NEWSFLASH .. flash still sucks |
| 01:06.09 | d4m3ntz | sandman, i dont think X can change screen depths on the fly, you have to restart it |
| 01:06.29 | pipeline | sandman, d4m3ntz : Not quite |
| 01:06.47 | heh_v_water | abrotman, i actually enjoy flash but now that adobe owns it.. I have little faith left |
| 01:06.48 | pipeline | sandman, d4m3ntz : X can't change the screen depth, no, but X can offer visuals to client apps that differ from the current screen depth and dither. |
| 01:07.22 | pipeline | sandman, d [4H245Y1] : For example, starcraft can request that the resolution of the server be changed to 640x480, then ask for a visual of 8bpp |
| 01:07.29 | abrotman | heh_v_water: they had an update to flash9 the other day . i had to revert to 7 because it was making my browser hang |
| 01:07.49 | pipeline | sandman, d4m3ntz : Some, extremely-braindead, video drivers can't do this, but it's how X11 was designed to work. |
| 01:08.24 | heh_v_water | abrotman, thats strange cause 7 makes mine hang, has for a while.. seems like firefox got funky a few months back |
| 01:08.29 | scanf | abrotman: I had the same problem with flash 9... turned out to be sound related. I deactivated the full duplex and it stopped freezing the browser |
| 01:08.38 | heh_v_water | I'm just being patient while etch cleans up tho |
| 01:08.39 | abrotman | scanf: eh .. no thanks :) |
| 01:09.20 | heh_v_water | somehow in the last year a quick and agile firefox has slowed down tremendously |
| 01:09.29 | scanf | abrotman: then later Iset up an alsa mixer config and could reactivate full duplex with hanging flash |
| 01:09.48 | sandman | fixme:xrandr:X11DRV_XRandR_SetCurrentMode Cannot change screen BPP from 16 to 8 |
| 01:09.58 | sandman | Is this a problem with my group permissions, or with wine? |
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| 01:10.03 | sandman | I've an nVidia card |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | scanf: didn't matter .. neither flash7 or 9 could handle yakima.com |
| 01:10.30 | heh_v_water | but then this machine has so much crap on it.. it's unbelievable.. it was a potato install |
| 01:10.46 | scanf | sandman: you need to start an xserver with the adjusted config |
| 01:10.52 | scanf | there are webpages on this |
| 01:11.08 | scanf | just google "starcraft xserver wine" |
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| 01:16.02 | abrotman | PROOF?!?! |
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| 01:17.44 | sandman | I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 01:17.49 | sandman | Even though my user is in the "video" group |
| 01:18.59 | philip | yes abrotman |
| 01:19.04 | philip | sander, video is for somethin else |
| 01:19.10 | philip | !tell sandman about xauth |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | philip: ? |
| 01:19.22 | philip | abrotman, sshh its okay honey *hug* |
| 01:19.36 | abrotman | okay .. well then |
| 01:20.06 | robin_sz | meep? |
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| 01:20.50 | abrotman | !meep |
| 01:20.50 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 01:21.19 | Rainy-Day | hi, when I run dpkg-reconfigure exim, I get this error: |
| 01:21.22 | Rainy-Day | db_upgrade: DB->upgrade: /var/spool/exim/db/retry.lockfile: Invalid argument |
| 01:21.38 | Phated | abrotman: :O so CUTE |
| 01:21.48 | abrotman | meep is ? |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | yeah .. i think he had two for a while |
| 01:22.02 | philip | !tinc |
| 01:22.03 | dpkg | http://www.tinc-vpn.org/ or There Is No Cabal, or http://tinc.debian.net/ |
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| 01:22.57 | abrotman | lag? |
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| 01:23.51 | philip | !lag |
| 01:23.51 | dpkg | methinks lag is the reason fnord has so many meanings |
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| 01:28.09 | chemaja | undocumented standard format specifiers [ps(1)] makes baby Jesus cry... |
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| 01:28.46 | geo-rge | chemaja: so read the source and submit a doc patch :) |
| 01:28.54 | chemaja | geo-rge: learning C.......................... NOW |
| 01:29.12 | geo-rge | then you'll be helping debian and jesus... in that order... |
| 01:29.25 | geo-rge | chemaja: cool |
| 01:29.50 | chemaja | geo-rge: i'm not really, to damned busy. but it's on the todo. |
| 01:30.16 | geo-rge | welthen :) complaints accepted when you're less busy to deal with em |
| 01:31.18 | geo-rge | whether you're learning C at this moment or not... you could still see if you can find where the options are dealt with |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | Quintin: find it yet? |
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| 01:39.26 | magyar | 7.1% non-contiguous on ext3, what is the indication of that? |
| 01:39.45 | dondelelcaro | magyar: what about it? |
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| 01:40.03 | abrotman | it's fragmentation |
| 01:40.12 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 01:40.47 | geo-rge | I'm trying to get dri going, and I need to know what the xfree86 dri extension is and how to install it |
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| 01:41.12 | geo-rge | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:41.38 | yassine | any idea how i can install the sources of my actual kernel ? uname -r gives me this : 2.6.8-3-386 but i can not find any linux-source-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 01:41.52 | geo-rge | how would I go about correcting that in debian sarge |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source 2.6 |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | !drxx geo-rge |
| 01:42.08 | dpkg | geo-rge: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:42.08 | magyar | dondelelcaro: "/dev/hda6: Duplicate or bad block in use!" |
| 01:42.18 | magyar | dondelelcaro: is that good? |
| 01:42.23 | geo-rge | !xmd5 |
| 01:42.24 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 01:43.14 | geo-rge | diff: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: No such file or directory |
| 01:43.58 | geo-rge | what package has that? |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | geo-rge: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 01:44.24 | geo-rge | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:44.53 | sandman | Is it usual for /root to be readable by everyone? |
| 01:45.06 | sandman | That is, that it's set 744? |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | geo-rge: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 .. is it installed ? |
| 01:45.10 | geo-rge | probably but you can change that... |
| 01:45.24 | geo-rge | ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server |
| 01:45.36 | geo-rge | should I reinstall? |
| 01:45.43 | geo-rge | purge/install that is |
| 01:46.17 | abrotman | nope .. just generate that file |
| 01:46.38 | geo-rge | "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root? |
| 01:47.17 | treitter | so dpkg-buildpackage pulls in the currently-installed versions of Depends packages on the build host as the minimum requirements in the final package - is that what drives increased dependency version requirements in newer packages? (rather than specific required features) |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | sure |
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| 01:50.24 | plugwash | treitter indeed, trouble is that linux libary compatibility tends to be one way. If you compile on a box with gtk 2.6 then the gtk 2.6 headers will rewrite your code to use 2.6 features in the name of a marginal speedup |
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| 01:51.04 | mirak | is it possible to fake the time and date of an email ? |
| 01:51.08 | geo-rge | ok, finished that |
| 01:51.24 | SpComb | mirak: somewhat |
| 01:51.31 | plugwash | also if an automatic depscanner wasn't used we'd probablly end up with lots of packages in the archive where someone used a new feature but didn't change the deps |
| 01:51.33 | geo-rge | plus did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | mirak: it's possible .. not likely |
| 01:51.42 | mirak | SpComb: or send a mail at a specific time |
| 01:51.51 | DiaboluZ | hmmm i just made a passwd file, made an .htaccess file and placed it in the directory, but still the site is free available - any suggestions? |
| 01:51.52 | SpComb | well, that's certainly possible... |
| 01:52.01 | plugwash | so automatic depscanners do cause unnessacery dependencies but they are also a nessacery evil |
| 01:52.03 | mirak | I think lotus notes can do that, but I don't know a linux application that does |
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| 01:52.13 | SpComb | cron? |
| 01:52.34 | SpComb | I said it's possible, not a click of a button away :P |
| 01:52.41 | geo-rge | I installed an aliened->deb rpm downloaded from ati.com, do I need to dpkg-i that again? |
| 01:53.01 | mirak | SpComb: something less in comand line |
| 01:53.25 | geo-rge | the rpm: fglrx_4_3_0-8.31.5-1.i386.rpm was aliened to: fglrx-4-3-0_8.31.5-2_i386.deb which I installed |
| 01:53.37 | treitter | plugwash: ah, I could see that happening |
| 01:54.29 | mirak | is just I don't want my employer to see I sent a document at 3AM |
| 01:54.43 | Ronin | then dont do it |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | so send it now! |
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| 01:55.09 | Ronin | or that ":) |
| 01:55.25 | geo-rge | ok, back after ctrl alt bksp |
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| 01:56.01 | Quintin | abrotman: working on other stuff. I have to contact Gnark. We are betting our shoes, yes? |
| 01:56.15 | geo-rge | I'm still getting from glxinfo: ``Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".'' and ``direct rendering: No'' |
| 01:56.31 | Quintin | abrotman: I think my jabber account was deleted.. have to make again> :p |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | Quintin: you have to fly to philly and buy me beer :) |
| 01:56.39 | geo-rge | brb |
| 01:56.42 | abrotman | jabber.org accounts don't get deleted |
| 01:56.44 | Quintin | abrotman: You are so eager to be shamed and proven wrong? |
| 01:57.05 | Quintin | abrotman: And if I'm right, you have to fly to Anderson and buy me hard lemonade! |
| 01:57.14 | mirak | abrotman: it's already 3AM here, I wouldn't say that otherwise |
| 01:57.14 | abrotman | if only i knew where anderson was |
| 01:57.22 | Quintin | Close to Indianapolis. |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | mirak: you need a GUI to send an email? |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | Quintin: screw that .. i was just there last year! |
| 01:57.36 | Ronin | mirak: so why hide the fact then? you're that late on a project? |
| 01:57.49 | Quintin | You can fly in, and I'll send a driver to retrieve you. You can hold a big sign with your name on it. |
| 01:57.50 | mirak | Ronin: no it's a CV |
| 01:57.58 | Quintin | abrotman: dems da rules! |
| 01:58.01 | abrotman | Quintin: i'll buy you a beer at Ram |
| 01:58.21 | Quintin | abrotman: I hate beer. :-\ |
| 01:58.26 | mirak | abrotman: yes gui is better |
| 01:58.32 | abrotman | mirak: you're a wuss |
| 01:58.33 | mirak | commad line sucks |
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| 01:59.00 | abrotman | i'm sure someone wrote a GUI for atd |
| 01:59.06 | mirak | abrotman: I prefer click click click than read a fucking man now :) |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | Quintin: wings at B-dubs ? |
| 01:59.18 | geo-rge | I have an x startup log now... how would I go about pasting |
| 01:59.23 | sandman | Is using fakeroot sufficient for building all debian packages? |
| 01:59.24 | mirak | I will send it tomorow morning |
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| 01:59.47 | sandman | Or must I use root proper for certain packages to build them (with apt-get -b source <somepackage>, for instance) |
| 01:59.54 | geo-rge | sandman: for most debian packages, you also need things like gcc |
| 02:00.00 | Quintin | abrotman: I know not of which you speak. |
| 02:00.08 | sandman | geo-rge: Well, of course |
| 02:00.18 | sandman | geo-rge: I ran apt-get build-dep <package> first, of course. |
| 02:00.28 | geo-rge | ok, that should do it |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | Quintin: Buffalo Wild West Wings .. downtown |
| 02:00.36 | geo-rge | fakefoot should work |
| 02:00.52 | sandman | geo-rge: apt-get build-dep <package> will install all the build requirements to build _all_ related packages, correct? |
| 02:00.59 | geo-rge | no |
| 02:01.00 | Quintin | abrotman: ah yes. bw3s. sounded familiar. indeed, a good wager. |
| 02:01.07 | sandman | Well, wait |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:01.13 | abrotman | too bad we have none in philly |
| 02:01.18 | geo-rge | it will install for <package> |
| 02:01.18 | sandman | Let me put it in perspective. winelib and wine, both under the wine source package, yes? |
| 02:01.30 | xSpecialistx | anybody have problem to open some channels using nicotine 1.0.8 ? |
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| 02:01.59 | geo-rge | maybe it will look up the source package and the build deps apply to that |
| 02:02.27 | geo-rge | which means wine as a multibinary build would then work |
| 02:02.50 | xSpecialistx | or when program is opening the channel nicotine dont open ( is set with auto join )! |
| 02:03.23 | geo-rge | what os does nicotine run under |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | !info nicotine etch |
| 02:04.28 | dpkg | nicotine: (graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.5.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 402 kB, Installed size: 1956 kB |
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| 02:04.53 | plugwash | afaict apt-get build-dep will install what is needed to build the corresponding source package |
| 02:05.04 | xSpecialistx | this version is the nicotine+, have some bugs, testing ! |
| 02:05.19 | xSpecialistx | i'm using debian etch ! |
| 02:06.40 | geo-rge | abrotman: what I doo now?? |
| 02:06.43 | geo-rge | :) |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | geo-rge: ? |
| 02:07.23 | DiaboluZ | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Cop4M665.html <- any ideas why this doesn't work? (besides the fact at require is spelled wrong) ;) |
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| 02:07.29 | geo-rge | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". (after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and all) |
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| 02:08.11 | geo-rge | DiaboluZ: are you sure the core problem is not caused by the require typo? |
| 02:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | How do I get a module to load automatically on boot? (namely e100... debian, when installed, only detects the firewire port, but not the integrated ethernet port) |
| 02:08.30 | DiaboluZ | geo-rge> yes, cause the typo is only in the nopaste :) |
| 02:08.38 | geo-rge | you can run modconf |
| 02:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | modconf eh |
| 02:08.49 | geo-rge | or a number of other ways |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | geo-rge: paste your X conf |
| 02:08.57 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:08.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, as I imagined... I'm looking for the "debian" way |
| 02:09.22 | Sebo | Hi!! I've just bought Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pro 2055 notebook and it hangs after booting from debian netins DC ;/ |
| 02:09.43 | geo-rge | can I upload the file? |
| 02:11.03 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4646 |
| 02:11.44 | geo-rge | plus here is x.log (generated by: X > x.log 2>&1) |
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| 02:12.31 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4647 |
| 02:14.00 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 02:14.01 | geo-rge | <URL: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting >. |
| 02:14.01 | geo-rge | We strongly encourage the use of the "reportbug" package and command |
| 02:14.01 | geo-rge | to ensure that bug reports contain as much useful information as |
| 02:14.01 | geo-rge | possible. |
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| 02:14.32 | geo-rge | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o": No symbols found |
| 02:14.36 | geo-rge | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o": No symbols found |
| 02:14.38 | geo-rge | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_vertex.o": No symbols found |
| 02:14.40 | geo-rge | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found |
| 02:14.42 | geo-rge | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 02:14.44 | geo-rge | I selected ONE line. |
| 02:14.45 | asg | geo-rge: stop fucking pasting |
| 02:14.46 | geo-rge | sorry that it went out as more |
| 02:14.59 | asg | geo-rge: /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:15.12 | geo-rge | asg: see above, honest mistake, fuck off and die :P |
| 02:15.26 | sandman | . |
| 02:15.41 | ryan` | so... |
| 02:15.49 | ryan` | I just added two NICs to my system |
| 02:15.59 | ryan` | what WAS eth0 |
| 02:16.05 | ryan` | is no eth1_rename_rename |
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| 02:16.09 | sandman | I just got a new /ignore list member. |
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| 02:16.33 | geo-rge | add two nicks in the morning... add two nicks at night... |
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| 02:17.23 | plugwash | ryan` you really have a nic that is literally called eth1_rename_rename?! |
| 02:17.27 | ryan` | yes. |
| 02:18.02 | ryan` | the interface that was eth0 before the added network cards is now showing up as eth1_rename_rename |
| 02:18.04 | geo-rge | so it was renamed twice |
| 02:18.18 | plugwash | sounds like it was renamed 3 times |
| 02:18.37 | plugwash | first to eth1 then to eth1_rename then to eth1_rename_rename |
| 02:19.03 | ryan` | I have no idea, really. |
| 02:19.18 | plugwash | which version of debian is this? |
| 02:19.22 | ryan` | sarge. |
| 02:19.38 | plugwash | are you using a backported kernel/udev? |
| 02:20.01 | BinarySpike | Hey, I'm setting up debian on this computer next to me, and I got a basic install from the alternate disc done, I want to put X11 and KDE on it... anybody have a starting point for me? |
| 02:20.09 | ryan` | Oh. Yeah, I am, for xen |
| 02:20.11 | geo-rge | plugwash: it may be that it was originally eth1 (depending on mod load order) |
| 02:20.32 | nevyn | BinarySpike: apt-get installn kde |
| 02:20.56 | geo-rge | BinarySpike: apt-get install x-window-system OR x-window-system-core |
| 02:20.57 | plugwash | what if anything is in /etc/iftab ? |
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| 02:21.13 | ryan` | /etc/iftab does not exist. |
| 02:21.22 | BinarySpike | And... once I apt-get, kde, how to I start it? |
| 02:21.34 | plugwash | i wonder if it was some weired interaction between udev and xen |
| 02:21.58 | geo-rge | xen has a kernel modification so it "works with xen" |
| 02:22.05 | kingsley | Which keys tell X to try another modline? |
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| 02:22.29 | plugwash | geo-rge sure but i imagine xen has to do something about networking |
| 02:22.35 | geo-rge | man X <-- useful read |
| 02:22.38 | ryan` | I'm not sure. I don't have xen set up to bridge NICs |
| 02:22.55 | plugwash | otherwise surely you could only have one virtual os with network access per nic |
| 02:23.20 | ryan` | It's supposed to leave eth0 alone and just provide some virtual interfaces, which I am serving using proxy-arp |
| 02:24.44 | x2 | hi, I'm looking for some software for windows that intervally copies files across the network to a linux machine. Can windows do this natively using its scheduler? if not, any program that I should look into? |
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| 02:26.08 | geo-rge | x2: looking for windows software?? and the spam you get doesn't give you enough options in that area? have you tried tucows? |
| 02:26.46 | BinarySpike | ewwww who uses tucows, use versiontracker :P |
| 02:27.13 | ryan` | I'm rebooing the machine, trying the module alias stuff to get the built-in ethernet back to eth0 |
| 02:27.13 | geo-rge | whatever... he can use anything he wants |
| 02:27.42 | abrotman | x2: rsync |
| 02:27.43 | BinarySpike | I was kidding... tucows requires money to put your software on... meaning you won't get as wide a selection |
| 02:27.46 | x2 | geo-rge, would you use samba or another protocol? |
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| 02:27.50 | geo-rge | doesn't versiontracker require you to install something? |
| 02:27.58 | rcorsaro | x2: If you setup samba you can map the share and just write a batch file to copy files. |
| 02:28.11 | geo-rge | I'd try samba first probably |
| 02:28.14 | x2 | rcorsaro, thats an idea |
| 02:28.16 | x2 | ok, thanks |
| 02:28.32 | rcorsaro | x2: You could also install cygwin and use ssh |
| 02:28.55 | geo-rge | that's a LOT of disk space for doing only one thing |
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| 02:29.22 | geo-rge | but I would install cygwin for its x server |
| 02:29.51 | rcorsaro | Well, if your used to unix, cygwin makes it a little easier to work on windows |
| 02:30.11 | DerJamster | Or CoLinux. |
| 02:30.13 | geo-rge | very true |
| 02:30.17 | Guerin | abrotman: did that guy come back with proof? |
| 02:30.28 | nevyn | meh |
| 02:30.29 | geo-rge | of? |
| 02:30.43 | nevyn | rcorsaro: I never found that I just found it.... painful. |
| 02:30.55 | magyar | hi, i am backing up to a scsi tapedrive and my speed on one tapedrive is 3849 kB/s and the second is 867 kB/s |
| 02:31.07 | nevyn | rcorsaro: it was easier to just partition them off and deal with them as being different systems for me |
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| 02:31.21 | geo-rge | magyar: oh |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | Guerin: Quintin ? of course not |
| 02:31.48 | Guerin | abrotman: when do you get your beer? |
| 02:31.54 | geo-rge | what was he trying to prove? |
| 02:31.57 | Guerin | or whatever you bet |
| 02:32.23 | Guerin | geo-rge: that you can run one valid ssl cert for two different vhosts on the same ip and port. |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | Guerin: when he gets his hass to philly i guess :) |
| 02:32.27 | rcorsaro | nevyn: Well, I use cygwin for ssh, subversion, cp, mv and rm mostly, and it helps alot. I put bin on my path and still use the dos shell |
| 02:32.48 | geo-rge | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found |
| 02:32.48 | rcorsaro | s/alot/a lot/ |
| 02:33.05 | dooglus | so firefox is now iceweasel and thunderbird is icedove, but I can't find seamonkey anywhere. has that been renamed too? |
| 02:33.18 | abrotman | gnuzilla ? |
| 02:33.32 | Guerin | dooglus: the big questions is, why would anyone care? |
| 02:34.03 | geo-rge | evidently someone does (as evidenced by the question) |
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| 02:34.13 | dooglus | Guerin: because thunderbird is pretty horrible in my experience, and I wanted to try seamonkey. it's a different mail reader I think |
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| 02:34.52 | BinarySpike | Why does this mac here connected to my router get 40KB per se max, and this linux behind a hub, to the router get 50? |
| 02:34.56 | dooglus | I see a package called 'mozilla', but I'm guessing that's the last version released by moz corp before they dropped it altogether |
| 02:35.09 | Guerin | BinarySpike: because macs are shit? |
| 02:35.26 | BinarySpike | Guerin: you don't know shit |
| 02:35.38 | geo-rge | why fly my pie |
| 02:35.47 | rcorsaro | BinarySpike: I experience the same thing |
| 02:35.49 | Guerin | BinarySpike: id *do* know shit, but that was just a guess. |
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| 02:36.09 | rcorsaro | But my mac is wicked old |
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| 02:36.14 | nevyn | BinarySpike:linux tcp/ip faster than * |
| 02:36.31 | ryan` | fsck |
| 02:36.32 | ryan` | well |
| 02:36.39 | Guerin | BinarySpike: I think it more likely that there's some network-hardware or setting issue at play, but it all qualifies as the same thing: macs are shit. Hardware, OS and peripherals. |
| 02:36.39 | ryan` | the box is dead now. |
| 02:36.45 | ryan` | POS |
| 02:36.51 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: nothing wrong with their hardware |
| 02:36.59 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: when it works. |
| 02:37.06 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: when it fails it's a royal PITA |
| 02:37.06 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: as I understand, that *used* to be true |
| 02:37.10 | ryan` | the fan on the power supply seems to have died, and is quite warm.... |
| 02:37.20 | BinarySpike | Nevyn: you need a newer system |
| 02:37.24 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, all of the hardware that I own from them, anyway, is fine... |
| 02:37.26 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: before the logic-board hell, and exploding batteries, and such |
| 02:37.33 | geo-rge | BinarySpike: you'd have to look very closely at the protocol in operation... I'd guess the mac's protocol is lagging |
| 02:37.39 | BinarySpike | Apple laptops are stupid, they break five minutes after you buy them |
| 02:37.49 | Phated | Oooh, troll. |
| 02:37.56 | geo-rge | specifically sending out acks |
| 02:37.58 | nevyn | BinarySpike: no... I just need a alpha^H^H^H^H^Hathlon |
| 02:38.01 | BinarySpike | Geo-rge: I thought maybe there was something big in play on linux... just trying to figure out |
| 02:38.28 | asg | Phated: I had 5 kernel panics on my macbook before I gave it back. |
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| 02:38.33 | dondelelcaro | right... that'd be why I have some mac laptops which have been working for 4 years... |
| 02:38.41 | BinarySpike | I've had one kernel panic ever |
| 02:38.48 | BinarySpike | and that was when I was trying to boot linux from firmware :P |
| 02:39.05 | Phated | asg: Suxxor. |
| 02:39.09 | BinarySpike | My HD lasted three times as long as my friends |
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| 02:39.19 | geo-rge | you would ALL have to look at the versions of everything, comparing against knowns |
| 02:39.23 | Azar | :)Guerin! hi! http://www.bbspot.com/toys/slashtitle/index.html?reload=1266172619456e442b39ba51.93501185 |
| 02:39.23 | Phated | asg: I've had none on my iBook. <shrug> |
| 02:39.45 | geo-rge | BinarySpike: so for every hd loss, you lose three friends?? |
| 02:39.45 | asg | Phated: indeed. This was the newer macbook though. The older ibooks are pretty solid. |
| 02:39.57 | BinarySpike | Asg: I agree |
| 02:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you configure which daemons run on startup? |
| 02:40.25 | asg | ScytheBlade1: man update-rc.d |
| 02:40.27 | Guerin | ScytheBlade1: /msg dpkg services |
| 02:40.34 | asg | ScytheBlade1: read /etc/init.d/README also |
| 02:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | asg, Guerin, thanks |
| 02:40.45 | geo-rge | and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 02:41.20 | BinarySpike | Well I gotta head out, I'll talk to you guys later |
| 02:41.23 | Phated | asg: Mine isn't an -ancient- iBook, but yeah, the PPC ones seem less fragile - I doubt it's to do with arch, maybe when the Intel ones get some age and revs on them they'll be better. For now, <3 iBook G4. |
| 02:41.54 | asg | Phated: quite possibly |
| 02:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... oh, right, rcX.d |
| 02:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | blah |
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| 02:42.23 | Phated | asg: Yeh. |
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| 02:42.57 | geo-rge | Phated, that would seem stupidity/release-anxiety on their part... sounds like their cases are getting worse |
| 02:43.05 | toresbe | phated!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:43.25 | sandman | If I reboot in recovery mode (from grub), will that read the fs readonly, such that I can umount it and run partd or some such |
| 02:43.31 | sandman | Or should I use a livecd for accomplishing this |
| 02:43.56 | toresbe | phated phated phated!!!! |
| 02:43.59 | Guerin | r-rated |
| 02:44.00 | Quintin | abrotman: http://daecom.biz/store/ |
| 02:44.05 | Quintin | if you love me you'll purchase something/ |
| 02:44.07 | Quintin | ! |
| 02:44.07 | Phated | geo-rge: <shrug> so be it. |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | Quintin: it's not https! |
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| 02:44.39 | toresbe | Phated: ACKNOWLEDGE MY EXISTANCE!! *waves frantically* |
| 02:44.42 | geo-rge | Quintin: you were supposed to prove something here... ever did that? |
| 02:44.47 | Phated | geo-rge: Which is why I haven't got an intel mac yet. Mind, I've heard no complaints about the intel desktops. But I don't want a new desktop. |
| 02:44.54 | Phated | toresbe: What is it, cretin? |
| 02:44.59 | toresbe | phated!! :D |
| 02:45.12 | toresbe | a happy, cretinous snog. |
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| 02:45.40 | toresbe | oh, you're too cold, phated. :( |
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| 02:45.48 | Guerin | Quintin: wtf did you have to set up a whole e-commerce site for it? |
| 02:45.57 | Guerin | Quintin: just give us two links and let us see the certs |
| 02:45.58 | asg | hehe |
| 02:45.59 | Phated | tonyb2006: Not you. |
| 02:46.05 | Phated | DAMNIT TORESBEEEEE |
| 02:46.12 | Quintin | Guerin: Yes. I had to. |
| 02:46.16 | geo-rge | all gone! |
| 02:46.30 | Quintin | Guerin: Order something and I'll show you the proof-of-concept. |
| 02:46.41 | Quintin | <3 |
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| 02:46.45 | geo-rge | weak :P |
| 02:46.46 | Guerin | Quintin: fuck that, you'll never get *my* email address |
| 02:46.56 | Phated | Guerin: g@foo.bar! |
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| 02:47.20 | Guerin | (ignoring the fact I control a bunch of domains and have at least a dozen decoy addresses) |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | Guerin: give him an email address for dooglus |
| 02:47.28 | Guerin | but seriously |
| 02:47.29 | geo-rge | freightgrated@spate.pate |
| 02:47.55 | Guerin | this is some jumping through hoops just to have you fail to prove something it's technically impossible to prove |
| 02:48.08 | DaveyB_ | When I do shred -n 25 file.extension. It messes around for 5 mins then i do ls and the files there. Am I missing something? |
| 02:48.11 | Guerin | asg: i see your spamd and raise you postgrey |
| 02:48.15 | dooglus | hmmm. there's a bug report about the absense of seamonkey, and apparently it'll be called "iceape" when it's packaged: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=350740 and http://firsttube.com/blog.php/tag/iceape |
| 02:48.20 | Quintin | Guerin: The more domains you try to control, the more TLDs that will slip through your fingers. |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:48.49 | Guerin | dooglus: double use of 'ice' - they're lacking imagination. |
| 02:48.52 | geo-rge | tlds are relevent to this how? |
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| 02:49.09 | Guerin | geo-rge: he's just trying to buy time before abrotman declares himself the winner. |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 02:49.35 | geo-rge | looks like he just did :P |
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| 02:49.52 | asg | Guerin: I'd raise with greylistd but it has serious issues with load. |
| 02:49.54 | Phated | Clearly they need to have called it airgorilla. |
| 02:50.10 | dooglus | Guerin: triple: ice{weasel,dove,ape} |
| 02:50.29 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:50.38 | Guerin | asg: how so? |
| 02:50.48 | Guerin | dooglus: that's saner. |
| 02:50.55 | geo-rge | clowning around trying to get someone to order stuff... probably that was his original purpoee |
| 02:51.00 | geo-rge | se |
| 02:51.03 | dooglus | abrotman: he'd never guess which email account dooglus uses at gmail... |
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| 02:51.39 | Quintin | geo-rge: it's a pop culture reference, you tard. |
| 02:51.49 | Quintin | No. I haven't even started on that problem yet. |
| 02:52.04 | Guerin | Quintin: which? |
| 02:53.02 | geo-rge | pop is the sound of bubblegum snapping |
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| 02:53.24 | DaveyB_ | dondelelcaro, SORRY |
| 02:53.25 | DaveyB_ | When I do shred -n 25 file.extension. It messes around for 5 mins then i do ls and the files there. Am I missing something? |
| 02:53.25 | Guerin | the sound ... of a beer cap coming off |
| 02:53.25 | geo-rge | how is that cultural? :) |
| 02:53.30 | sorb | yyy Yo |
| 02:53.39 | Guerin | as, Muddy Waters said 'ne'er will be replaceded' |
| 02:53.42 | asg | Guerin: Nov 29 15:10:16 mx1-central greylistd: Socket error: Broken pipe |
| 02:53.43 | asg | Nov 29 15:13:59 mx1-central greylistd: ### Fatal event in /usr/lib/python2.3/socket.py, line 167: |
| 02:53.47 | geo-rge | DaveyB_: maybe shred is not rm |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | more python borkedness! |
| 02:53.55 | Guerin | asg: how much load? |
| 02:54.10 | Guerin | abrotman: and what greylist implementation is that? |
| 02:54.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:54.13 | DaveyB_ | geo-rge, shred is suposed to remove and overwrite the file I thought? |
| 02:54.14 | Guerin | asg: |
| 02:54.18 | asg | Guerin: greylistd is maxed. about 500k attempts per day. |
| 02:54.26 | geo-rge | what says the man page? |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | this is why i don't read email! |
| 02:54.34 | dooglus | Quintin: "By creating an account at Daedalus Computers Online you will be able to shop faster" - what if I don't want to shop faster? There doesn't seem to be an option to not create an account, so why do you have to sell it? |
| 02:54.37 | Guerin | the exim reference implementation? |
| 02:54.49 | asg | Guerin: the tor slett?? implementation |
| 02:54.51 | pickcoder | is there a decent TTF library? I've install several ttf packages but I only have 3 font styles (FreeSans, FreeSerif, and FreeMono) |
| 02:55.00 | geo-rge | probably you're right... I don't care about who is or isn't... but I do encourage you to find out definitively |
| 02:55.08 | Guerin | asg: well, my box only gets a few thousand per day |
| 02:55.35 | Guerin | Phated: bitstream is good. The standards are in msttcorefonts, in contrib |
| 02:55.37 | asg | Guerin: it's fine until I hit certain levels but then starts to bomb out at high numbers. |
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| 02:56.28 | Guerin | asg: i don't see why, though. All it hasn to do is read and write a text file, which mailds are pretty good at |
| 02:56.40 | Phated | Guerin: ... mmmrmmm? |
| 02:56.42 | asg | Guerin: I've set ulimits etc. and the machine, otherwise, is just fine. Probably a non-optimal implementation. From a cursory glance, it seems like the main loop is iterating linearly over the tuple set. |
| 02:56.52 | pickcoder | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:57.04 | Guerin | Phated: a pox on your p |
| 02:57.11 | dooglus | I use fetchmail to download my mail from gmail.com and send it to exim4. am I right in assuming I can't use greylistd given this setup? |
| 02:57.20 | asg | Guerin: I've even set exim's readsocket timeout to >40 seconds but there are still times where it just goes bleh. |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | solution! .. no more email! |
| 02:57.45 | asg | abrotman: solution, give facebook the finger. |
| 02:57.48 | Phated | Guerin: And a pox on you, good sir. |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | asg: i did |
| 02:58.00 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4647 |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | i don't get hugs! |
| 02:58.19 | geo-rge | why am I getting the "no symbols found" message? |
| 02:58.30 | Guerin | geo-rge: because something can't find any symbols |
| 02:58.53 | geo-rge | Guerin: what would be looking and why? |
| 02:59.08 | Guerin | geo-rge: depends on the case at hand. |
| 02:59.46 | geo-rge | take a look at the paste... it's a log of my x server starting (and I should try to generate a more detailed one) |
| 02:59.57 | Guerin | geo-rge: ECBA |
| 03:00.09 | Phated | \o/ |
| 03:00.10 | Guerin | geo-rge: does you x server start? |
| 03:00.24 | Quintin | dooglus: you must register to place an order |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | don't do it! |
| 03:00.43 | asg | Guerin: I've got a Sunfire v100 with obsd prepped to take over so no worries. |
| 03:00.51 | Guerin | Quintin: just give me a damn link to two separate vhosts running on the same ip and port with the same cert |
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| 03:01.04 | abrotman | i would never buy stuff from someone that thinks you can run two ssl vhosts on one IP/port |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | name based! |
| 03:01.10 | Guerin | Quintin: otherwise this is just spamming your rubber band and thumbtacks e-shop |
| 03:01.22 | dooglus | Quintin: your site tells me I must register if I want to shop faster. It seems my choice of speeds is limited to 'fast' and 'stopped' |
| 03:01.39 | Guerin | dooglus: you must admit 'fast' is faster than 'stopped' |
| 03:02.04 | dooglus | Guerin: I do admin that. And when it comes to rubber band shopping, 'stopped' is the speed I prefer. |
| 03:02.20 | asg | Guerin: depends on if you are in the lift with Einstein or just a martian on a glob of spit floating in freespace. |
| 03:02.22 | Guerin | dooglus: now, if I could buy beer online ... |
| 03:02.23 | Quintin | dooglus: might add guest purchase later |
| 03:02.31 | asg | Guerin: I can |
| 03:02.34 | Quintin | Guerin: alrdy said not set up yert |
| 03:02.44 | Guerin | asg: so can I: http://www.shopnaked.co.nz |
| 03:02.54 | asg | Guerin: bravo! |
| 03:02.55 | Guerin | Quintin: zzz |
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| 03:03.36 | Guerin | wow, their site is awesomely broken |
| 03:03.44 | dooglus | Guerin: it's funny you should mention that... I was just about to start spamming my new beverage e-shop! ;) |
| 03:04.07 | Guerin | Quintin: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-apache-ssl/ is a nice howto to get you started |
| 03:04.17 | asg | Guerin: they seem more concerned with Clapton and Rugby though |
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| 03:04.37 | Guerin | asg: yeah, NZers don't take to online shopping very much. |
| 03:04.38 | asg | Guerin: besides, they will ship it to you. With mine, I can order and basically hit a drive through and pick it up. |
| 03:04.41 | Guerin | asg: unless it's auctions |
| 03:04.51 | Guerin | asg: wtf is the point of that? |
| 03:05.11 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4648 <-- more verbose x startup log |
| 03:05.33 | asg | Guerin: well, they don't deliver. Still, there is a subtle irony about a place that sells booze via the intarweb to be picked up by someone in a car. |
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| 03:05.45 | peterS | oh my. toresbe hit my ascii art highlight . |
| 03:05.59 | asg | peterS: oh? |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | peas .......... |
| 03:06.26 | peterS | asg: yeah, he used about 12 ! in a row |
| 03:06.35 | asg | abrotman: ...frozen peas, full of country goodness and green penis |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | well then |
| 03:07.02 | asg | peterS: yes, but think of the amount of asm that would have required. He's slipping. |
| 03:07.23 | Guerin | no wonder it always seems like he's typing with one hand ;) |
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| 03:07.42 | peterS | I should probably figure out how to limit the hilight to specific channels. #perl hits it constantly, due to people giving example code in channel. |
| 03:07.42 | asg | Guerin: gives 'Get a grip' a whole new meaning. |
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| 03:08.04 | chino | whats the ftp server ? |
| 03:08.10 | asg | chino: ftpd |
| 03:08.29 | chino | is there an easy way to install ftp only users ? |
| 03:08.35 | Guerin | chino: no. |
| 03:08.52 | chino | whats the start up script for ftpd ? |
| 03:08.52 | asg | chino: pure-ftpd and proftpd can handle that. |
| 03:08.57 | Guerin | chino: vsftpd has a textfile which makes it quite easy to do vrtual ftp users |
| 03:09.01 | Quintin | chino: usermod -s /bin/false ftpuser |
| 03:09.28 | chino | i just installed ftpd but there is no start up script |
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| 03:09.36 | Guerin | chino: ftpd runs out of inted, as i recall |
| 03:09.37 | peterS | chino: yeah it's probably launched from inetd |
| 03:09.40 | asg | chino: the basic ftpd is started from inetd |
| 03:09.50 | peterS | some ftpds can run either from inetd or standalone, others only do inetd |
| 03:09.56 | chino | so i can just add a user and set them to /bin/false and thats it ? |
| 03:10.09 | geo-rge | so why is my direct rendering disabled? |
| 03:10.19 | Guerin | chino: they'll still be a local user, just without a shell |
| 03:10.21 | abrotman | because you did it wrong |
| 03:10.30 | Guerin | geo-rge: what video driver? |
| 03:10.30 | chino | yea but |
| 03:10.33 | chino | is that safe ? |
| 03:10.37 | geo-rge | radeon |
| 03:10.38 | Guerin | chino: depends. |
| 03:10.40 | peterS | Guerin: though some ftpds will insist that anyone whose shell isn't in /etc/shells should not log in |
| 03:10.56 | asg | chino: ftp isn't safe to begin with |
| 03:10.58 | Guerin | peterS: yes, and /bin/false isn't in /etc/shells by default |
| 03:11.01 | Quintin | peterS: most have an option to ignore this |
| 03:11.04 | chino | can they still run commands through scripts in a web directory ? |
| 03:11.06 | Guerin | chino: virtual users are much saner |
| 03:11.14 | geo-rge | specifically, it should be fglrx-4-3-0_8.31.5-2_i386.deb fglrx_4_3_0-8.31.5-1.i386.rpm |
| 03:11.17 | chino | so can i add one with ftpd ? |
| 03:11.24 | Guerin | chino: ftp users have no business running commands |
| 03:11.25 | geo-rge | the deb was aliened from the rpm |
| 03:11.37 | chino | Guerin: thats my point |
| 03:11.39 | Guerin | !nofp geo-rge |
| 03:11.43 | Guerin | hm |
| 03:11.46 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 03:11.47 | dpkg | i heard nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 03:11.52 | Guerin | geo-rge: ↑ |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | that's your first fuckup |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 03:12.03 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 03:12.16 | Guerin | chino: ftp servers don't allow *anyone* to run scripts, aiui |
| 03:12.46 | Guerin | anyway |
| 03:12.51 | Guerin | to the beerorium! |
| 03:12.54 | chino | Guerin: web servers with dynamic lanugages do though |
| 03:13.05 | asg | Guerin: have fun; drink one for me, I'm off to bed |
| 03:13.07 | geo-rge | so you're saying I need to rebuild my kernel |
| 03:13.16 | peterS | chino: you might have to remove 'pam_shells.so' from some /etc/pam.d/*ftpd file |
| 03:13.17 | chino | there isn't even a man page for ftpd is it possible to setup ftp only users with it ? |
| 03:13.35 | asg | geo-rge: no, just build a module for your running kernel using module-assistant |
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| 03:13.53 | geo-rge | I think I have space |
| 03:14.11 | asg | chino: 1) apt-get install vsftpd 2) read the example docs in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
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| 03:15.06 | geo-rge | abrotman: I'm running sarge btw... does that change anything? |
| 03:15.44 | abrotman | see above |
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| 03:15.56 | geo-rge | oh, got it |
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| 03:16.13 | DiaboluZ | how do i restart apache? |
| 03:16.46 | TraceGreen | Hello, my /dev/hda5 is vfat, Can I mount it though offset such as: mount -o loop,offset=***** -t vfat /dev/hda /mp? |
| 03:17.02 | karsten | DiaboluZ: carefully |
| 03:17.24 | TraceGreen | I get offset value through fdisk(start value * 512) |
| 03:17.32 | Azar | well crap! AMD dumped the 752 now the 939 now AM2 with DDR2 comes in, how will our next stable deal with this? |
| 03:18.26 | Azar | will the 2.6.18 kernel be able to deal with the new AM2 ? |
| 03:18.38 | peterS | TraceGreen: uh, why are you asking us rather than just trying it? |
| 03:18.42 | geo-rge | trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-4-3-0 |
| 03:19.07 | geo-rge | line just before was dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:19.24 | TraceGreen | peterS, I tried, but fail, so I just want to know whether i can |
| 03:19.26 | geo-rge | do I need mesa if I'm installing a card's driver? |
| 03:19.33 | peterS | TraceGreen: then the answer, apparently, is no |
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| 03:20.00 | peterS | TraceGreen: the way you phrased the question, how can the answer possibly be something different from what you learned by trying it already? |
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| 03:20.17 | chino | wtf vsftpd is so ocmplicated the same can be accomplished in proftpd so much simpler |
| 03:20.25 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks, actually, I just want to mount my hide partition area |
| 03:20.41 | geo-rge | chino: in that case... use proftpd |
| 03:20.42 | peterS | TraceGreen: can you explain what is wrong with just mounting hda5 directly? |
| 03:21.15 | TraceGreen | peterS, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,or too many mounted file systems... |
| 03:21.39 | peterS | TraceGreen: I didn't say /dev/loop0, now, did I? |
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| 03:22.31 | peterS | proftpd is for optimists. for people who believe that a poor security record does not necessarily indicate poor security status at present. |
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| 03:23.00 | sandman | What exactly does this mean?: localhost kernel: Bad page state in process 'kswapd0' |
| 03:23.05 | sandman | I get those quite a bit. |
| 03:23.11 | TraceGreen | peterS, yeah, you didn't say /dev/loop0. I tried: mount -o offset=668672 -t vfat /mp, the result is same. fail |
| 03:23.41 | TraceGreen | peterS, mount -o offset=668672 -t vfat /dev/hda /mp |
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| 03:24.01 | peterS | TraceGreen: I guess my question wasn't very clear. my question is why you are trying this approach rather than just mounting the /dev/hda5 device |
| 03:25.14 | TraceGreen | peterS, actually, I want to mout my hide area partition, although i don't get its block address now. because HAP don't have /dev/hda5 or such device block i think |
| 03:25.42 | peterS | wtf is a "hide area partition" and why did you refer to it as hda5 earlier if it's not actually in the partition table as such? |
| 03:26.14 | sandman | Can parted work with LVM volumes to resize them on the fly? |
| 03:26.27 | TraceGreen | peterS, sorry:-( |
| 03:26.37 | philip | i have back pain |
| 03:27.02 | peterS | TraceGreen: if it's not in the partition table, where did you get that offset number? |
| 03:27.41 | peterS | sandman: I don't think so, juse use lvresize |
| 03:27.44 | geo-rge | !info fglrx-driver sarge |
| 03:27.57 | TraceGreen | peterS, I googled, some tools may get its offset number. So, I want to know whether i can mount a partition through offset. |
| 03:28.03 | philip | and a holly holly christmas |
| 03:28.50 | onetinsoldier | geo-rge: it's... |
| 03:28.51 | peterS | TraceGreen: I'd say making sure your filesystems are in actual data structures such as a partition table is the more sensible approach. using an offset loop device may work, but that seems like the hard way |
| 03:28.55 | onetinsoldier | !fglrx |
| 03:28.55 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 03:29.47 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks! I should google it more |
| 03:29.52 | peterS | TraceGreen: to reconstruct a partition table that isn't correct, you might try 'gpart'. |
| 03:30.36 | TraceGreen | peterS, ok, thanks! |
| 03:30.43 | geo-rge | onetinsoldier: saw that :) that's how I got as far as I have |
| 03:30.53 | onetinsoldier | geo-rge: ok.. roger |
| 03:31.13 | geo-rge | onetinsoldier: you happen to be familiar with the process? |
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| 03:31.59 | abrotman | did you read the URL ? |
| 03:31.59 | peterS | TraceGreen: so, uh, I see earlier you said "I get offset value through fdisk(start value * 512) |
| 03:32.12 | geo-rge | the one relevent to stable, yeah |
| 03:32.13 | peterS | TraceGreen: that implies that it _is_ already in the partition table. I'm confused. |
| 03:32.47 | TraceGreen | peterS, oh, no, no, that value is /dev/hda5's value. |
| 03:33.28 | DiaboluZ | I'm looking for some kind of gui tool that will count the entire amount of data that is tranfered through my internet connection - like netlimiter can do in windows for example, any of you know a tool like that? |
| 03:33.31 | onetinsoldier | geo-rge: i'm using testing. i just run the installer shell script as downloaded from ati. if i want to uninstall it, i run the uninstaller /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh - i'm not fmailiar with getting the lastest version of fglrx working on sarge, sorry. |
| 03:33.39 | TraceGreen | peterS, /dev/hda5 is not hpa, it is just a partition. i just try to mount it through offset, if i can, I may get my hpa's offset and then mount it in the same way. |
| 03:34.10 | peterS | TraceGreen: oh so hda5 does exist, but it isn't really what you wanted. |
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| 03:34.37 | TraceGreen | peterS, yeah! My english is poor :-( |
| 03:34.37 | geo-rge | onetinsoldier: np... which card do you have? |
| 03:34.56 | geo-rge | TraceGreen: give it money! |
| 03:35.11 | onetinsoldier | geo-rge: ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition |
| 03:35.22 | geo-rge | what do you think of the card |
| 03:35.34 | onetinsoldier | i like it a lot! |
| 03:35.43 | geo-rge | what's your main use for it? |
| 03:35.54 | peterS | I'd say anyone who has to call a card "Platinum Edition" has got self-esteem issues |
| 03:36.13 | geo-rge | peterS: or desire to sell to same :) |
| 03:36.25 | peterS | and yes, I include credit card companies who sell platinum edition cards |
| 03:36.50 | geo-rge | the gold edition lets you add to warranty times |
| 03:36.54 | Guerin | straight up |
| 03:36.59 | geo-rge | not sure if platinum does |
| 03:37.07 | onetinsoldier | geo-rge: i guess i would say playing Battlefield 2 and Flight Simulator 2004 |
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| 03:37.32 | sandman | Is there an easier way to get to panel properties in GNOME than right-clicking on it? I set it to transparent, and now I cannot click on it to get the properties. |
| 03:38.23 | onetinsoldier | peterS: the platinum edition has a better memory core |
| 03:38.42 | Guerin | peterS: when i worked at a certain fancy waterfront restaurant in the lats 90s, while at university, there was a guy who tuirned up a bit shabby-looking most mornings, always ordered french toast, no bacon, orange juice and coffee, sat for hours taking up valueable restaurant estate, reading Tolkein |
| 03:38.47 | Guerin | s/ei/ie/ |
| 03:38.53 | geo-rge | we all need to go to a real milspec flight sim... the kind with very tall buildings and the cockpits that move along them |
| 03:38.54 | Guerin | peterS: always paid with a platinum amex |
| 03:39.20 | Guerin | peterS: then one day peter jackson came down and had breakfast with him |
| 03:39.27 | peterS | Guerin: hahaha |
| 03:39.42 | peterS | did you ever find out if he was someone famous? |
| 03:39.53 | Guerin | peterS: and he's Nikolas Korda, who eventually produced the LOtR films |
| 03:40.00 | Guerin | yeah, he's a big-noter |
| 03:40.05 | peterS | heh |
| 03:40.25 | Guerin | peterS: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004210/ |
| 03:40.44 | yassine | im in trouble with an ati radeo card while i try to install the fglrx driver i get this error : http://rafb.net/paste/results/00gDJ747.html anyone of you have this before ?? |
| 03:40.49 | peterS | so I guess later you put up a sign in that restaurant - "Tom Bombadil gone missing? our fault, we inspired them" |
| 03:40.57 | Guerin | peterS: heh. |
| 03:41.06 | Guerin | peterS: hm, that doesn't list him as a p[roducer, though. |
| 03:41.31 | geo-rge | that guy has a lot of interesting credits |
| 03:41.41 | geo-rge | he's a sound guy |
| 03:41.53 | Guerin | oh, here he is: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004211/ |
| 03:42.32 | Guerin | # Full Metal Jacket (1987) (third assistant director) (uncredited) |
| 03:42.34 | Guerin | ... aka Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket (USA: poster title) |
| 03:42.34 | onetinsoldier | yassine: what do you get from dpkg -l | grep fglrx ? |
| 03:42.38 | Guerin | best credit evar |
| 03:43.11 | geo-rge | ... aka Neverending Story III: Return to Fantasia (UK) |
| 03:43.25 | geo-rge | ... aka The Neverending Story III: Escape from Fantasia |
| 03:43.30 | geo-rge | hmmmm :) |
| 03:43.46 | peterS | they escaped but also returned? or they returned but then escaped? |
| 03:43.58 | yassine | onetinsoldier, ii fglrx-6-8-0 8.26.18-2 X Window display driver for the ATI graphics and ii fglrx-kernel-src 8.28.8-3 kernel module source for the ATI graphics ac |
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| 03:44.37 | geo-rge | rc fglrx 4.3.0-4.9 XFree86 display driver for the ATI graphics |
| 03:44.51 | Guerin | peterS: they return, then escape, then return ... it never ends |
| 03:44.58 | peterS | I see. |
| 03:45.00 | onetinsoldier | yassine: well those donn't look like matching version there.. 8.26.18-2 : 8.28.8-3 |
| 03:45.10 | peanutb | anyone use ebox? |
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| 03:45.28 | geo-rge | peanutb: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 03:46.38 | triton | hi |
| 03:46.46 | triton | any one uses ion? |
| 03:47.01 | Guerin | !anyone use ion? |
| 03:47.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses ion, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:47.23 | peanutb | ebox,is a customized distro, not a program. |
| 03:47.31 | abrotman | ask #ebox ? |
| 03:47.39 | abrotman | ask ##linux ... certainly NOT #debian |
| 03:47.45 | peanutb | theres only 2 people on there |
| 03:47.50 | peanutb | its based on debian |
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| 03:47.57 | abrotman | so waht |
| 03:48.01 | abrotman | it's NOT debian |
| 03:48.21 | peterS | lots of things are "based on debian". they are not debian and we don't know anything about them and we can't support them |
| 03:48.40 | peanutb | Yet its interface can be installed on Debian. |
| 03:48.54 | peterS | for one thing, they can darn well find their own support people rather than using ours. for another thing, they actually _change_ stuff to differentiate themselves from debian, so we often can't be of any help anyway. |
| 03:49.12 | abrotman | and we don't like ebox at all! |
| 03:49.16 | geo-rge | peanutb: probably that means "it uses the debian packaging and distribution mechanisms" and fails to mean "uses debian's packages, and either way debian's bts" |
| 03:49.17 | Guerin | debian has no interface |
| 03:49.19 | lunitik | peanutb: Are you using the ebox web based administration tools on official Debian? |
| 03:49.33 | Guerin | s/ebox/eejitbox/ |
| 03:49.40 | lunitik | Guerin: abrotman: ebox is similar to webmin... it is NOT a distro |
| 03:49.43 | abrotman | ebox still isn't in debian |
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| 03:50.03 | abrotman | lunitik: i could care less . .it's NOT in debian .. it's NOT debian .. it does NOT belong in #debian :) |
| 03:50.23 | peanutb | im wondering what it does. |
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| 03:50.36 | triton | ion rocks |
| 03:50.46 | lunitik | abrotman: points 2 and 3 are very valid :) |
| 03:50.57 | Guerin | triton: have your windows any size you like, as long as it's fullscreen |
| 03:51.08 | lunitik | peanutb: Its like Webmin.. it provides a pretty interface for configuring your box |
| 03:51.15 | peanutb | ok |
| 03:51.18 | peanutb | thanks |
| 03:51.21 | lunitik | pretty web-based interface |
| 03:51.22 | grzywacz | Geez, upgrading stable->testing has broken apache. :E |
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| 03:51.31 | triton | Guerin yeah thanks :) |
| 03:51.33 | Quintin | grzywacz: Don't do that then!! |
| 03:51.42 | grzywacz | Quintin, kind of too late. |
| 03:51.43 | grzywacz | ;-) |
| 03:52.08 | Guerin | grzywacz: unbreaking such things is doable |
| 03:52.16 | grzywacz | Sure it is. |
| 03:52.17 | Guerin | just don't nuke your config ;) |
| 03:52.22 | grzywacz | ;-) |
| 03:52.25 | Quintin | your mom is doable. |
| 03:52.41 | Guerin | Quintin: no need to be bitter about losing your bet. |
| 03:52.47 | lunitik | abrotman: I meant points 1 and 3 ... 2 is irrelivant... its NOT any distro... it sits on top of a distro... funny how easy it was to get rid of him in the end though :) |
| 03:52.56 | geo-rge | "OH SHIT! I just cut off my foot! what do I do?" "STOP cutting off your foot and, as fast as you can, run to the nearest hospital" |
| 03:52.56 | abrotman | lunitik: he said it was a distro |
| 03:52.57 | Quintin | Guerin: I haven't lost anything. I still have to contact Gnark. |
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| 03:53.07 | Guerin | Quintin: i'll still respect you just as much after you've flown to philly to be drunk under the table by abrotman |
| 03:53.14 | Guerin | Quintin: wtf is gnark? |
| 03:53.20 | lunitik | abrotman: he also asked what it even was... he was kind of an idiot imo |
| 03:53.26 | abrotman | evil twin brother of snarf ? |
| 03:53.31 | Quintin | Guerin: Kristian K. Kristiansen is Gnark. |
| 03:53.43 | abrotman | <peanutb> ebox,is a customized distro, not a program. |
| 03:53.43 | geo-rge | KKK! |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | he said it .. not me |
| 03:53.48 | lunitik | abrotman: ebox has a website and everything... he could have easily looked things up himself |
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| 03:54.00 | Guerin | Quintin: and he's the only one with the ninja skilz to do the impossible? |
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| 03:54.08 | peterS | grzywacz: yes, apache has a lot of problems in testing right now. please don't upgrade to testing if you have critical services running on apache2 and don't know anything about configuring it. which, come to think of it, was not a good situation to be in in the first place. |
| 03:54.19 | Supaplex | how can I use a fiber channel card to serve diskless clients? I have multiple fc hbas + cables etc. |
| 03:54.19 | Quintin | Guerin: No. I'm too lazy though. |
| 03:54.25 | abrotman | i think he's saying he's already done it :) |
| 03:54.43 | Guerin | Quintin: that sounds like 'i know it's not possible and I'm trying to pass it off to someone else' to me |
| 03:54.52 | Guerin | abrotman: or not, arcmb |
| 03:54.57 | Guerin | s/r/t/ |
| 03:55.04 | Quintin | Guerin: Hardly. I'm very sure it's possible, cause he said so. Check back in a day or so. |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. grzywacz is saying he already did it |
| 03:55.32 | geo-rge | abrrtman? |
| 03:55.45 | Guerin | !cakebutt |
| 03:55.49 | Guerin | :( |
| 03:56.18 | Guerin | Quintin: i await stunnage. |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | !umbrella |
| 03:56.47 | geo-rge | stunnage was like millions of years ago... |
| 03:56.47 | abrotman | !umbrellahat |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:56.58 | geo-rge | !donut |
| 03:56.59 | dpkg | donut is probably slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry. |
| 03:57.34 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 03:57.35 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 03:58.14 | geo-rge | !sing Stella by Nuclear Particle Beam Weapon Flash |
| 03:58.48 | peterS | yeah, so it's like ... hmmm, only Wednesday or Thursday |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | peterS: do you have a defined weekend ? |
| 03:59.28 | peterS | this channel does. sometimes. |
| 03:59.34 | abrotman | no .. you |
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| 03:59.44 | abrotman | as in .. do you have a 9-5 job that defines your weekend ? |
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| 04:00.01 | peterS | not a 9-5. I do have different things that happen in weekdays and weekends. |
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| 04:05.17 | abrotman | so yeah .. it's still wednesday .. |
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| 04:09.45 | geo-rge | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) <-- can this build latest kernels? |
| 04:09.55 | geo-rge | can I run latest kernels on sarge? |
| 04:10.24 | peterS | yes and sometimes. use the ones at backports.org |
| 04:10.47 | peterS | hmmm, I wonder if they ever restored their search interface after downgrading to a wiki front page |
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| 04:11.16 | chino | is devfs on by default ? |
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| 04:11.39 | peterS | chino: you should be able to answer that one yourself just by booting |
| 04:11.49 | chino | so you watn me to reboot ? |
| 04:11.57 | peterS | no, just type 'mount' |
| 04:12.00 | peterS | it is either there or it isn't |
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| 04:14.08 | peterS | chino: I'm partly saying this so you'll _try_ stuff rather than waste someone else's time answering a question you can answer on your own ... but I'm also saying it because the default has changed over the life of debian, so doing it yourself gives the most accurate answer |
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| 04:22.00 | Vme | if i want to mount a drive with NFS what packages do i need install? |
| 04:22.09 | feross | ello, anyone know how to fix vi when arrows don't work in "insert" mode? |
| 04:22.32 | geo-rge | Vme: at least portmapper and nfs filesystem type |
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| 04:22.39 | geo-rge | latter is a kernel thing |
| 04:22.43 | Vme | hrm |
| 04:23.04 | geo-rge | if you're using debian kernel images, it's probably there |
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| 04:23.10 | stoned | nfs-kernel-server and nfs-kernek-common |
| 04:23.16 | Vme | i have a custom kernel :) |
| 04:23.26 | Vme | i know i have it compiled in |
| 04:23.34 | geo-rge | well try it |
| 04:23.40 | geo-rge | brb |
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| 04:24.58 | peterS | Vme: yeah just 'nfs-common' if you want to be an nfs _client_. 'nfs-kernel-server' if you want to be an nfs _server_. |
| 04:25.28 | stoned | so nfs-user-server |
| 04:25.32 | peterS | no |
| 04:25.55 | stoned | no I'm talking about non-kernel mode |
| 04:25.57 | peterS | nfs-user-server is one of those things you only use if you know what you're doing and you know nfs-kernel-server won't work for you |
| 04:26.03 | stoned | I didn't see your reply before I typed mine |
| 04:26.08 | peterS | very few people are in that category |
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| 04:26.54 | stoned | peterS, whats going on man |
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| 04:33.52 | itguru | is it possible to see the output of apt-get install packageX ? |
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| 04:35.14 | onetinsoldier | itguru: what output do you mean? |
| 04:37.19 | onetinsoldier | itguru: hello? goodbye? |
| 04:37.31 | onetinsoldier | are you there? |
| 04:38.19 | onetinsoldier | ok. i guess it's goodbye then |
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| 04:38.55 | itguru | damn - i just went to get coffee! |
| 04:39.11 | chemaja | damn the state of mobile 3D graphics. damn it to hell. All I get is an Intel G950 for choice! |
| 04:39.37 | chemaja | that is, if i don't want binary blobs. |
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| 04:43.43 | sixaxis | hi |
| 04:43.49 | sixaxis | [#ubuntu] also should they be on their own ide cable? |
| 04:44.00 | peterS | sixaxis: uh, what? you are in #debian |
| 04:44.14 | sixaxis | sorry |
| 04:44.23 | Quintin | sixaxis: #ubuntu2 |
| 04:44.42 | peterS | or the souped up version, #uboontoo |
| 04:44.59 | sixaxis | I am about to put a DVD and DVD burner and I need help on the order they need to be installe |
| 04:45.19 | sixaxis | should they be on the same cable or independent? |
| 04:45.28 | sixaxis | set master or slave? |
| 04:46.36 | sixaxis | can any one give me hint? |
| 04:47.04 | Quintin | sixaxis: doesn't really matter. |
| 04:47.12 | sixaxis | no? |
| 04:47.25 | Quintin | what the fuck did I just say |
| 04:47.39 | Quintin | ... |
| 04:47.49 | sixaxis | not performance hit? |
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| 04:48.10 | peterS | sixaxis: I suspect with today's speeds of optical drives, it really doesn't matter |
| 04:48.12 | Quintin | depends on the task you are doing |
| 04:48.13 | sixaxis | 'cause I use it for DVD duplicanting |
| 04:48.37 | sixaxis | both running at same time transfering data from one to the other |
| 04:48.44 | peterS | sixaxis: it's possible that separate cables would make duplicating go smoother. I haven't got 2 DVD drives so I really don't know. the speeds certainly are a lot faster than CDROM media |
| 04:49.01 | Quintin | sixaxis: why don't you just do a simple benchmark? |
| 04:49.14 | smacnay | how does one use an aa font in aterm? |
| 04:49.39 | peterS | sixaxis: your nick - are you like a five-axis CNC milling machine that can also physically spin? |
| 04:49.46 | sixaxis | ok then I will go for the separate cables |
| 04:49.46 | gravity | He's a PS3 fan |
| 04:50.12 | sixaxis | peterS: nope PS3 controller |
| 04:50.47 | sixaxis | actually I don't have and have no plans on getting one. I bought out of an impulse and I wanned to use with linux |
| 04:51.21 | sixaxis | unfortunately gangstar h4x0rzz haven't crack it yet |
| 04:51.43 | zinx | uhm, can't you download linux for the ps3? |
| 04:51.52 | Quintin | zinx: that's ps2 |
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| 04:52.02 | zinx | i thought the ps3 had it available at launch... |
| 04:52.10 | Quintin | the ps3 runs linux out of the box. |
| 04:52.16 | sixaxis | zinx: that's not real linux because is being emulated |
| 04:52.24 | pipeline | There will never be a crack for the PS3. |
| 04:52.28 | pipeline | The PS2 was never so cracked. |
| 04:52.37 | pipeline | The PS2 also ran Linux with a hypervisor. |
| 04:52.40 | sixaxis | Quintin: an encrypted linux though |
| 04:52.49 | pipeline | It's not "encrypted" or "emulated" |
| 04:52.54 | sixaxis | both |
| 04:52.56 | zinx | http://ps3.qj.net/PS3-Linux-The-void-has-been-filled-Full-install-instructions-for-Fedora-Core-5-/pg/49/aid/73144 is one such site |
| 04:53.01 | pipeline | It's a vanilla PPC64 linux kernel running under a hypervisor |
| 04:53.08 | zinx | sixaxis: uhm, so deal |
| 04:53.18 | pipeline | The hypervisor exposes fake devices. |
| 04:53.20 | Quintin | wtf is a hypervisor ? |
| 04:53.36 | Quintin | ps2 had a kit from SCE that let you install rh |
| 04:53.37 | sixaxis | pipeline: I've read that both 360 and ps3 are uncrackable |
| 04:53.53 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.22 | sixaxis | because of the hardcore hardcoded encryption |
| 04:54.39 | zinx | you can still run a bog-standard linux |
| 04:56.12 | pipeline | Yes, but to what effect? |
| 04:56.18 | pipeline | It's not a fast machine, you have no access to the graphics. |
| 04:56.31 | zinx | pipeline: I dunno. sixaxis is the one who wants to run linux on it. |
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| 05:09.23 | ixrp | hi all; i has a trouble with creating mounting files systems; before i was using cfdisk without any error messages, but when i decided to use fdisk, it shows me the problem: |
| 05:09.27 | ixrp | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Dispositivo o recurso ocupado. |
| 05:09.27 | ixrp | The kernel still uses the old table. |
| 05:09.28 | ixrp | The new table will be used at the next reboot. |
| 05:09.28 | ixrp | Syncing disks. |
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| 05:09.49 | ixrp | sorry; |
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| 05:11.24 | peterS | ixrp: if you have a filesystem already mounted from a given hard disk, the fdisk programs cannot tell the kernel to reread the partition table. so the warning tells you that whatever you do to the partition table, the kernel will not know about it until you reboot |
| 05:11.32 | riot | ixrp: you can read, can you? It tells you to reboot, if you really want to use the newly created partition table |
| 05:11.56 | riot | peterS: right ;) more precisely *g* |
| 05:11.57 | peterS | ixrp: if you are _not_ using that hard disk (nothing is mounted from it), then both cfdisk and fdisk can correctly tell the kernel to update its information |
| 05:12.09 | ixrp | fdisk says to me: ok riot; but isn't right that i have to reboot to mkfs, don't you? |
| 05:12.15 | peterS | ixrp: you can see what the kernel thinks by typing 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 05:12.36 | peterS | ixrp: yes, you do have to reboot before 'mkfs', if it gives you that warning. see 'cat /proc/partitions'. |
| 05:12.39 | riot | ixrp: if it tells you to reboot, you should NOT create filesystems there. |
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| 05:13.08 | peterS | ixrp: alternatively, unmount all filesystems that are using that physical hard disk, then run cfdisk, then save and exit, and it _should_ tell the kernel to refresh its knowledge. |
| 05:13.35 | ixrp | peterS; this type of behaviour is always the same; ALWAYS i have to reboot to mkfs; with a disk with all of his space unallocated. |
| 05:13.43 | riot | peterS: hmm. true, but using kde or similar complex systems, i saw situations where you couldnt rea |
| 05:13.49 | riot | lly change the situation |
| 05:14.00 | peterS | riot: oh, it's possible that something else is getting in the way |
| 05:14.35 | riot | darn keyboard. shoulda go sleep ;) yes... and e.g. kde always has some "nice" thingy gettin in your way afaik.. gdn8 *g* |
| 05:15.38 | riot | peterS: now, his last one sounds strange. |
| 05:15.52 | ixrp | peters; ok i remove all the partitions on sdb |
| 05:16.05 | ixrp | write and save... and reboot |
| 05:16.11 | ixrp | the machine is rebooting |
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| 05:17.03 | riot | sounds alot like some wild-going automated tasks, touching _every_ file |
| 05:17.16 | ixrp | (i delete all but swap, a little partition on the end of the disk) |
| 05:17.36 | peterS | ixrp: if a swap partition is in use, that will cause the same thing as if a filesystem is mounted |
| 05:17.38 | ixrp | ok the machine is online we're go |
| 05:18.02 | ixrp | ok peters, i go to remove the swap |
| 05:18.13 | peterS | meaning, that warning about how the disk is in use so the kernel can't reread the partition table. having a swap partition in use can cause this the same way having a mounted filesystem can cause it |
| 05:18.22 | peterS | ixrp: you already rebooted so why bother now? |
| 05:19.04 | ixrp | i have strange behaviour with xfs partitions. |
| 05:19.06 | kingsley | Is there a meta package that installs educational packages? |
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| 05:19.25 | riot | ixrp: any access to a harddisk prevents a new partition table from being actually put to use in a live system. afaik, no kernel uptodate can interchange to a newer table without reboot. |
| 05:19.31 | riot | kingsley: there's debian-jr |
| 05:20.15 | riot | kingsley: or more specific, this is a dselect group, and there are several "junior-" packages |
| 05:20.58 | ixrp | riot; but the normal behaviour if you have unalocatted space, you can mkfs then without reboot don't you? |
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| 05:22.06 | riot | ixrp: not if you modify the partitiontable whilst the hd is _some_how in use. |
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| 05:23.12 | riot | ixrp: i'd say its safe to mkfs _really_untouched_ space, if it already belongs to a partition.. but i'd NOT do that on a sensitive system.. |
| 05:23.14 | liable | cant -o remount? i vaguely remember someone saying theres some way to get it to reread it, though i am buggered if i can remember what.. |
| 05:23.34 | ixrp | riot, peters; ok teh machine is rebooting nothing is on the hd now. |
| 05:24.17 | ixrp | now if i make a partition, i'll mkfs it. don't you? |
| 05:24.25 | riot | liable: i don't think, this will make the kernel reconsider the hdd-geometry. |
| 05:25.26 | liable | fair 'nough |
| 05:26.19 | peterS | ixrp: I've told you about 6 times now, 'cat /proc/partitions'. that will tell you whether you can mkfs something or not. |
| 05:26.43 | riot | right. |
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| 05:29.28 | ixrp | mkfs.xfs: /dev/sdb1 appears to contain an existing filesystem (xfs). |
| 05:29.37 | ixrp | mkfs.xfs: Use the -f option to force overwrite. |
| 05:29.48 | peterS | why are you telling us this? |
| 05:30.07 | ixrp | peters; the situations has changed. |
| 05:30.29 | ixrp | before simply tells me that the file /dev/sda1 don't exits. |
| 05:30.32 | liable | everyone loves a running commentry :P |
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| 05:30.54 | chandu | hi niru |
| 05:30.56 | peterS | liable: yeah this is why '!away' exists |
| 05:31.03 | niru | hi |
| 05:31.13 | niru | hello all |
| 05:31.21 | peterS | oh dear, they changed it. it used to be a bit funnier. |
| 05:31.47 | ixrp | peters: thank you for 'cat /proc/partitions' if the device is there then you can mkfs it, dont you? |
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| 05:31.53 | chandu | hey does any one worked on building a micro distro |
| 05:32.02 | chandu | i.e may be thin client distro |
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| 05:32.03 | peterS | ixrp: correct. that is how you can tell what the kernel believes about the partition table. |
| 05:32.05 | liable | yeah, like lots of factoids :( |
| 05:36.08 | ixrp | peters; wow, i dont mkfs at all; i run mount /dev/sdb1 /home/test and its mounted? i don't understand anything |
| 05:36.28 | peterS | ixrp: you already had a filesystem at that position on disk. it may or may not be the same size as the current partition. |
| 05:37.13 | chandu | ixrp, what is ur problem |
| 05:37.18 | peterS | ixrp: creating or deleting a partition does _not_ touch the actual data on the disk. if you had a filesystem at that position before, there will still be one there now. |
| 05:37.19 | Kanwal--f | anybody have yahoochat working properly in linux? Big reward |
| 05:37.45 | peterS | Kanwal--f: there are many instant messenger clients in debian. which one are you using? |
| 05:38.05 | ixrp | ok, thanks peters. |
| 05:38.17 | cat | can someone tell me why this happends everytime i do and apt-get update it get's stock in this line 99% [5 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 05:38.27 | chandu | Kanwal--f, Which client you are using .. In Gaim its working fine |
| 05:38.50 | niru | Is there any package available to get special effects like zooming of the icons those are on the task bar when the mouse is moved above them |
| 05:38.54 | niru | as in windows vista |
| 05:39.02 | Kanwal--f | chandu you using yahoo now? |
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| 05:39.12 | chandu | cat, when you apt-get update , apt tool will just scan the repo |
| 05:39.18 | chandu | Kanwal--f, yup |
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| 05:39.29 | peterS | oy, vista borrowed that OS Xism? |
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| 05:39.41 | Kanwal--f | chandu are you able to join chatrooms? |
| 05:39.47 | chandu | niru, kxdocker in kde .. gnome Iam not sure |
| 05:40.04 | chandu | Kanwal--f, chatrooms I have not tried ..but personal chat is ok |
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| 05:40.16 | Kanwal--f | chandu then try it |
| 05:40.27 | niru | I need for gnome too chandu |
| 05:40.44 | liable | cat: i had that a few days ago, could still dist-upgrade and then it went away, dunno what actually caused it though |
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| 05:41.30 | cat | liable: i wanted it to update it because i wanted it to do, an upgrade with my nvidia bios for a 3d acceleration |
| 05:41.31 | chandu | Kanwal--f, yup . Iam able to join the chat room |
| 05:41.41 | chandu | Kanwal--f, I joined Linux room jsut now |
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| 05:42.28 | chandu | niru, check it out in #gnome channel |
| 05:42.41 | chandu | niru, #gnome at freenode |
| 05:42.48 | Kanwal--f | chandu invite me: my name is florida555 |
| 05:43.01 | chandu | Kanwal--f, ok |
| 05:43.33 | niru | ok chandu |
| 05:43.48 | chandu | Kanwal--f, I have invited you ..U got it |
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| 05:43.54 | Kanwal--f | chandu no |
| 05:44.14 | chandu | Kanwal--f, Check reinstalling Gaim |
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| 05:44.34 | chandu | Kanwal--f, are u able to login |
| 05:44.42 | cat | damn apt |
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| 05:45.21 | chandu | Kanwal--f, I got ur invitation now |
| 05:45.28 | chandu | Kanwal--f, To join Linux chat room |
| 05:45.30 | Kanwal--f | chandu okay, turn your ears on |
| 05:45.56 | liable | speak of the devil |
| 05:46.12 | cat | i wonder what can i do to get the update |
| 05:46.14 | liable | Sup3rkiddo: please turn that off |
| 05:46.16 | cat | for god's sake |
| 05:46.34 | liable | cat: just try an upgrade (ctrl c the update) |
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| 05:57.07 | cat | liable: do you have any source list for sid? |
| 05:57.13 | cat | maybe is the source list |
| 05:57.48 | karsten | What are the cool kids using for 'host' these days? |
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| 05:58.24 | Guerin | Usage: host [-aCdlriTwv] [-c class] [-N ndots] [-t type] [-W time] |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.22 | liable | cat: ftp.debian.org, i tried messing with my sources and it made no difference, must be a different problem. just add <country> in the url to try others |
| 05:59.39 | liable | cat: ie ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:00.18 | karsten | ... well, I had in mind: host, bind9-host (which I think I installed last time for no particular reason), dig, or something even spliffier whose name I forget ATM. |
| 06:00.27 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get nvidia twinview working, when cloning to an LCD (DVI) and a projector (VGA) at 800x600 -- both work fine by themselves |
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| 06:01.44 | litage | i have tinydns running on a dedicated box. when i restart it and ask it for www.voxpak.com , it responds properly. after 30 minutes though, it suddenly stops considering itself authoritative for voxpak.com . why would this be? how can i debug this? |
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| 06:01.56 | liable | i had that problem once, and i was :) |
| 06:02.26 | SerajewelKS | http://pastebin.ca/262162 for the nvidia module output -- note where it complains about the twinview string |
| 06:03.43 | karsten | liable: Send me a wench. I'd appreciate it much more. |
| 06:03.58 | SerajewelKS | i can't figure out what it's upset about -- it's identified the monitors as CRT-1 and DFP-0, then it "can't find" one of them? |
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| 06:04.23 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Got the cards properly identified? |
| 06:04.25 | liable | karsten: no comment |
| 06:04.37 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it's one card |
| 06:04.48 | karsten | liable: No relationship between that and immediately prior comment. |
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| 06:05.06 | karsten | liable: ... thought the expression "it takes a lickin'..." comes to mind. |
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| 06:05.08 | karsten | So to speak. |
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| 06:05.21 | Ban_Evader | what is the debian equivalent of "multiverse" or "universe"? |
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| 06:05.30 | Ban_Evader | damn fine first install by the way |
| 06:05.36 | liable | Ban_Evader: contrib non-free |
| 06:05.43 | karsten | Ban_Evader: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 06:05.45 | Ban_Evader | i didnt know you could scale it down so nicely |
| 06:05.59 | liable | Ban_Evader: though you wont get some of the stuff you get in ubuntu repos |
| 06:06.05 | karsten | liable: Like what? |
| 06:06.10 | Ban_Evader | it isnt etch main contrib non-free ? |
| 06:06.17 | liable | karsten: mplayer? |
| 06:06.35 | karsten | Ban_Evader: There are some unofficial third party repos as well, like the (formerly known as) Marillat multimedia stuff. |
| 06:06.36 | tr011 | hi, i can't remember the command to list all the periferials detected by the kernel, does some body remember it? |
| 06:06.38 | karsten | liable: Right. |
| 06:06.57 | vulture | tr011: lspci? |
| 06:06.58 | liable | tr011: lspci/lsusb? |
| 06:07.01 | Ban_Evader | k thanks im using berkeley - but what an easy, light install |
| 06:07.08 | Ban_Evader | good job |
| 06:07.43 | tr011 | vulture, liable, thanks, i was looking for lspci, i was typing "pcils" |
| 06:07.44 | tr011 | XD |
| 06:08.22 | liable | or is it purple? |
| 06:09.02 | Ban_Evader | is there a debian equivalent of gnome-light? |
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| 06:10.09 | karsten | Ban_Evader: twm |
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| 06:10.14 | cat | Ban_Evader: fluxbox |
| 06:10.17 | cat | i love it |
| 06:10.18 | Ban_Evader | no n o no no |
| 06:10.20 | karsten | !win me |
| 06:10.20 | MrKeuner | hi, how safe is to remove auto removable packages in synaptic? |
| 06:10.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won the US presidency! |
| 06:10.28 | Ban_Evader | gnome and only gnome |
| 06:10.36 | cat | MrKeuner: depends on the packages |
| 06:10.39 | Ban_Evader | just without all the other stuff |
| 06:10.40 | liable | xfce? |
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| 06:10.48 | karsten | liable: Close. |
| 06:10.52 | karsten | Ban_Evader: What's gnome-light? |
| 06:10.53 | cat | how save is to drive a motocycle with out the proper gear? |
| 06:10.56 | MrKeuner | cat: so it is not |
| 06:10.59 | liable | karsten: no cigar? |
| 06:11.04 | karsten | cat: use tar |
| 06:11.11 | cat | karsten: for? |
| 06:11.24 | karsten | cat: tar saves. |
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| 06:11.44 | cat | indeed but why ? |
| 06:12.05 | cat | tomorrow I'm going to fixed my box and update it smoothly |
| 06:12.06 | karsten | Why isn't this adding a key for apt? I'm getting "Broken pipe": gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key --add - |
| 06:12.21 | cat | !apt key |
| 06:12.27 | karsten | cat: gear == transmission stuff, or gear == togs? |
| 06:12.41 | cat | head, etc, |
| 06:12.57 | karsten | cat: Where I'm at, it's illegal. It's safe so long as you don't fall off. |
| 06:13.12 | liable | karsten: if thats the new key for etch, just update the debian-archive-keyring package |
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| 06:13.23 | liable | but i guess you know that. |
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| 06:13.55 | karsten | Doh! It's "add" not "--add" |
| 06:13.57 | cat | Miami is a whole different story |
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| 06:16.26 | karsten | wifi ssh lag... |
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| 06:23.31 | cat | okay this upgrade sucks |
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| 06:25.50 | flamesrock | guys, what are good reasons not to co-sign a load for someone? |
| 06:26.10 | flamesrock | err loan |
| 06:26.14 | karsten | flamesrock: Um, they're not trustworthy and you don't feel like being liable for repayment. |
| 06:26.17 | rcorsaro | If they decide not to pay you will have to |
| 06:26.20 | Phated | Er, you get fucked if they don't pay? |
| 06:26.21 | cat | those this have to do anything with debian? |
| 06:26.31 | flamesrock | I can't find any off topic channels |
| 06:26.35 | karsten | Phated: ... or not, as the case may be. |
| 06:26.36 | flamesrock | this one seems pretty inactive |
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| 06:26.44 | Phated | flamesrock: Because you're on the wrong network. |
| 06:26.45 | chandu | Any body know how to doanload the package and its dependent package using any command |
| 06:26.46 | karsten | flamesrock: #debian-offtopic |
| 06:26.50 | flamesrock | cool |
| 06:26.51 | Phated | karsten: Oi! :| |
| 06:26.52 | chandu | Is there any option with apt |
| 06:26.53 | flamesrock | tx |
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| 06:26.59 | karsten | chandu: aptitude -d install package |
| 06:27.07 | karsten | chandu: -d == download only |
| 06:27.11 | flamesrock | what network is good for off-topic channels? |
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| 06:27.15 | karsten | chandu: Should get deps as well, I think. |
| 06:27.31 | chandu | karsten, But that will work if only that pkg is not already isntalled .. else it shows already newest version right |
| 06:27.32 | Phated | flamesrock: Anything else. Maybe efnet. Quakenet even. NOT FREENODE. |
| 06:27.37 | karsten | flamesrock: Pretty much any major IRC network. |
| 06:27.43 | flamesrock | haha cool |
| 06:29.36 | karsten | Anyone know how to indicate a comment in a Windowmaker / gnustep config file? |
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| 06:31.33 | Phated | karsten: By default, the configuration file is called GNUstep.conf and exists in |
| 06:31.46 | Phated | /etc/GNUstep on a Unix-like system or C:\GNUstep on an ms-windows system. In either case this file is in a format suitable for being ’sourced’ by |
| 06:31.49 | Phated | the standard unix (Bourne) shell, consisting of lines of the form key=value, |
| 06:31.52 | Phated | comments (everything on a line from the first hash (#) onwards), or blank |
| 06:31.54 | Phated | lines. |
| 06:31.56 | Phated | ... whoops, but in any case :) |
| 06:31.58 | karsten | Phated: WMMail in this case, it's an app config file. Sorted. |
| 06:32.03 | Phated | karsten: Pah :P |
| 06:32.17 | karsten | Phated: But thanks. |
| 06:32.35 | Phated | I See. |
| 06:32.36 | karsten | wmsun. wmspaceweather. |
| 06:32.48 | Phated | How very Utterly Crucial your Work is. |
| 06:33.00 | chandu | karsten, /msg is waiting for the alternate answer |
| 06:33.01 | karsten | Quite ;-) |
| 06:33.06 | karsten | chandu: ?? |
| 06:33.27 | chandu | karsten, sorry |
| 06:33.40 | chandu | karsten, I was trying out something .. it came like that |
| 06:33.58 | karsten | chandu: Apropos what 'zactly? |
| 06:34.35 | chandu | karsten, I have mentioned thae problem with that command is package is already instaleld |
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| 06:34.47 | roscau | hello |
| 06:34.47 | Phated | karsten: You won't believe how hard it was to google for that, EVERY goddamn hit was a blog saying "leave a comment" :P |
| 06:34.55 | karsten | chandu: I'm *very* much not following this. |
| 06:35.10 | karsten | Phated: *thanks* |
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| 06:35.19 | Phated | chandu: If it's already installed, then you already HAVE the files. |
| 06:35.26 | Phated | karsten: 'sokay. I like helping mates. |
| 06:36.03 | chandu | Phated, Yuo , but How do I identify which are related that specific package in the whole gourp of packages in archives |
| 06:36.54 | Phated | chandu: apt-cache depends ,package> |
| 06:36.59 | Phated | Eurgh, <package>. |
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| 06:37.27 | karsten | Anyone know where lat & long get saved? |
| 06:37.33 | Phated | chandu: And rdepends if you want to see which packages depend on it. |
| 06:37.43 | coywolf | how to play a CD in debian? |
| 06:37.46 | Phated | karsten: Hrm, I believe I've used wmsun before - let me check my leftover dotfiles. |
| 06:37.50 | chandu | Phated, ok thank you |
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| 06:39.00 | Phated | coywolf: cdplay, found in the cdtool package. |
| 06:39.08 | karsten | Phated: /etc/menu/wmsun has it. |
| 06:39.21 | coywolf | Phated, how to extract them into mp3? |
| 06:39.31 | roscau | I need help with memory incorrectly reported in /proc/mem |
| 06:40.34 | Phated | karsten: Yay :) |
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| 06:40.55 | Phated | coywolf: apt-cache search cd rip. Stop expecting to be spoonfed. |
| 06:41.05 | Phated | roscau: More details required. |
| 06:41.37 | karsten | Phated: checked the postinst script, lead me to it. |
| 06:41.56 | karsten | anyone know of a kcontrol bug where no controls are displayed in it? |
| 06:42.05 | coywolf | Phated, cdplay just returns immediately |
| 06:42.30 | Phated | coywolf: Do you think, maybe, that man cdplay coudl help you? |
| 06:44.07 | Phated | Such as, for example, telling you the arguments needed to start playing a CD? Because, y'know, if you'd read it, you might have seen the line "no argument replays current track", which, well, if you don't have a track playing, won't do very much. |
| 06:45.08 | roscau | I have 1Go and I see MemTotal: 906784 kB |
| 06:45.23 | roscau | if I put 1.5Go I see the same thing |
| 06:45.29 | roscau | MemTotal: 906784 kB |
| 06:45.37 | roscau | I tried different kernels |
| 06:46.18 | Phated | Well, I know for your 1Gig, it's showing up correctly. Does your machine maybe need matched memory or something funny? |
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| 06:48.09 | karsten | In irssi, if you've scrolled back, is there a fast way to scroll forward? |
| 06:48.24 | karsten | Hrm. kcmshell: no modules available. Solution? (KDE stuff) |
| 06:48.30 | Phated | karsten: /clr ;) |
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| 06:48.33 | Phated | Er, /cl |
| 06:48.55 | coywolf | Phated, it is playing, but i can't hear |
| 06:49.04 | karsten | Phated: Well, that _clears_ the window.... |
| 06:49.37 | Phated | karsten: Actually, you'll find it just creates new lines the number of times your window is high - you can scroll up from there ;) |
| 06:49.46 | Phated | karsten: TRUST ME |
| 06:49.54 | Phated | coywolf: Then that's your sound, isn't it? |
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| 06:50.14 | Phated | karsten: I am -wounded-. It is TRUE. |
| 06:50.20 | coywolf | Phated, cdplay doesn't work, vlc works |
| 06:50.22 | Phated | karsten: I have just verified it myself. |
| 06:50.54 | Phated | coywolf: Ah. Why wouldn't you use vlc then? :) or did you have vlc open, thus locking up /dev/dsp? |
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| 06:51.25 | coywolf | Phated, no, when I try cdplay, vlc wasn't running |
| 06:51.54 | Phated | coywolf: OK... It's been ages since I played a CD, let me check. |
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| 06:52.19 | timthelion | hey, how do I change the screen resolution if the correct resolution is not in xradr's list? |
| 06:52.28 | karsten | coywolf: CD should run direct to the sound output. Laptop or desktop? |
| 06:52.42 | coywolf | Kage`, desktop |
| 06:52.56 | Kage` | ? |
| 06:53.12 | timthelion | I only have 640x480 800x600 1024x768 and I need 1400x900 |
| 06:53.28 | Phated | It seems to output to lineout. |
| 06:53.40 | coywolf | Phated, oh |
| 06:53.54 | Phated | (GOOGLE, GOOGLE!) |
| 06:54.02 | Phated | "Use cdplay to play an audio CD in the CD-ROM drive; the sound is output through the speakers connected to the LINE OUT jack on your sound card." |
| 06:54.04 | coywolf | Phated, i found it |
| 06:54.14 | Phated | The Linux cookbook, @ dsl.org |
| 06:54.22 | timthelion | help? |
| 06:54.40 | coywolf | Phated, cdplay use cdline, while vlc use pcm line |
| 06:54.56 | Phated | Oh, that'll make us -really- eager to help you, while I was just -typing- my answer to you, timthelion! |
| 06:55.12 | timthelion | Phated: sorry |
| 06:55.41 | Phated | coywolf: Yeah, that's it - I recall having to fiddle with alsamixer to get sound on that as well. :) Sorry, had forgot about that, just remembered the tool :) |
| 06:56.09 | coywolf | Phated, np :) |
| 06:56.30 | Phated | coywolf: Cheers. Enjoy your CD :) |
| 06:56.46 | Phated | timthelion: It's OK. Anyways, I'm sure someone else has the answer too ^.^ |
| 06:56.58 | timthelion | Phated: will you please answer my question? |
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| 06:58.10 | Phated | Awwwww, so you didn't even look to see if this channel was the -same-! |
| 06:58.19 | Phated | And if you're using ubuntu, ASK #UBUNTU. |
| 06:58.25 | timthelion | Phated: I am not |
| 06:58.28 | timthelion | ;) |
| 06:58.35 | timthelion | Phated: I used to though |
| 06:58.42 | Phated | Isn't that nice. |
| 06:58.44 | timthelion | Phated: on another computer |
| 06:58.58 | timthelion | Phated: can you just answer, pleese? |
| 06:59.15 | timthelion | Phated: I'll write you anything you want in elisp if you do... |
| 06:59.54 | liable | sure |
| 06:59.57 | amphi | an eminently refusable offer ;) |
| 07:00.45 | timthelion | will someone else answer me then? |
| 07:00.45 | Phated | Surely, though, you knew you couldn't possibly act the same on -every- IRC channel, and no - for that, you can learn to search for answers yourself. Also, no thanks. |
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| 07:01.53 | liable | oh, at least he just left. he wins points if he ever comes back.. |
| 07:02.30 | Phated | Did he have a snarky part comment? |
| 07:02.55 | liable | nope, remote closed. |
| 07:02.57 | amphi | nope, discreet silence |
| 07:03.04 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 07:03.14 | Phated | So he doesn't know how to kill his client properly either? :) |
| 07:03.25 | liable | oh dear :) |
| 07:03.43 | amphi | he just quat, from what I can see |
| 07:04.46 | liable | you may have seen this, but interesting non the less http://scienceblogs.com/worldsfair/2006/11/what_different_parts_of_the_wo.php |
| 07:05.00 | liable | and totally off topic :) |
| 07:05.46 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 07:06.39 | amphi | liable: heh, .cn seems the most appealing on there |
| 07:08.06 | liable | amphi: totally agree |
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| 07:10.20 | liable | i love garlic, but i would nevar get laid (even less than i do know) if i ate that much :) |
| 07:10.39 | asdx | hi, i want to compile some stuff that is not inside of the repos, and i want to make install them, does debian has tools for uninstall them again if i delete the source directories? like save the logs of the installed stuff and then remove them? |
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| 07:10.51 | asdx | or i will need to use paco for that? |
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| 07:10.57 | liable | asdx: checkinstall |
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| 07:12.42 | asdx | thx |
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| 07:16.37 | yoshio | chandu: 'dpkg -S /bin/ls' will show you which package owns the file /bin/ls , and 'dpkg -L coreutils' will show you which files belong to coreutils - is that what you were asking? |
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| 07:17.52 | reduzuin | Hi! QUESTION: How do I add my custom modprobe command to modutils? I have an isa card that I want to load which hotplug wont detect, and i want to modprobe it on boot |
| 07:18.52 | yoshio | reduz: how about /etc/modules |
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| 07:19.52 | reduz | yoshio, isnt that autogenerated? or can I use it? |
| 07:20.37 | liable | reduz: make a modprobe.d file |
| 07:21.16 | liable | or even /etc/modules you can add variables to |
| 07:21.26 | yoshio | reduz: /etc/modules.conf is autogenerated from /etc/modutils I think, don't know why I also have a /etc/modprobe.d directory |
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| 07:22.41 | liable | i dont think modules.conf you should mess with |
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| 07:22.59 | yoshio | modules.conf is autogenerated |
| 07:23.36 | philip | who will resist when art attacks? |
| 07:23.39 | yunhual | i got an error during startup. |
| 07:23.40 | yunhual | begin: Waiting for root file system |
| 07:23.42 | yunhual | any help ? |
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| 07:25.11 | liable | yunhual: costum kernel? |
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| 07:25.17 | liable | custom even? |
| 07:25.46 | yunhual | liable , what do you mean ? |
| 07:26.06 | yunhual | grub boot loader |
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| 07:27.26 | ArrenLex | How come nvu isn't in the repositories? |
| 07:27.37 | liable | yunhual: is this a debian kernel or one you compiled? |
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| 07:28.43 | yunhual | i install the kernel with apt-get install, not compile by myself |
| 07:29.29 | liable | yunhual: have you upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 07:29.53 | yunhual | 2.6.17 |
| 07:30.02 | yunhual | upgraded from 2.4 |
| 07:30.10 | yunhual | to 2.6.17 |
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| 07:30.49 | liable | yunhual: you might find hda has changed to sda (or similar) |
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| 07:31.17 | liable | yunhual: in which case, you need to change menu.list and fstab |
| 07:31.18 | odla | anyone know how i can have an icon theme with thunar? i am using e17 with thunar as my default fm |
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| 07:33.19 | liable | yunhual: google the controller and 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 07:33.33 | yunhual | liable, i can't boot it , i can press c to change grub menulist, but can't change the fstab |
| 07:33.41 | Jin | is it easy to move from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel? I initially wanted to install a 2.6 kernel, but that didn't happen >_> |
| 07:34.17 | yoshio | yunhual: maybe http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=452854 |
| 07:34.52 | liable | yunhual: yes, so you need to change both before reboot, and if it fails, you will need a rescue cd to change them back |
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| 07:35.37 | yunhual | liable, thank you |
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| 07:37.00 | liable | yunhual: np, good luck |
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| 07:37.13 | yunhual | liable, i typed root (hd <tab> under grub> prompt i can see hd0 list by grub, |
| 07:37.15 | yunhual | but when i login to the initrd |
| 07:37.16 | yunhual | ls /dev, just see /dev/hdc /dev/hdc1, /dev/hdc2 etc...... |
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| 07:39.13 | liable | yunhual: yeah, but thats grub speaking, not the kernel. i dunno which stage (file) grub gets that from, but grub cant tell which dev the kernel will call your hard drive (if you get what i mean) |
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| 07:39.41 | liable | yunhual: what do you mean by login to initrd? |
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| 07:40.12 | black_13_ | what package installs with xorgcfg? |
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| 07:40.56 | liable | black_13_: dont use xorgconfg in debian, we have dpkg for that purpose, but if you want to know, /msg dpkg search |
| 07:41.03 | yunhual | liable, sorry for my english, |
| 07:41.04 | yunhual | i means that, i typed command kernel /vmlinuz and initrd /initrd.img boot under grub> prompt |
| 07:41.07 | yunhual | then boot the machine |
| 07:41.22 | liable | yunhual: your english is ok. :) |
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| 07:42.20 | yunhual | know, i booted the machine succesful, i use following command sequece |
| 07:42.21 | yunhual | grub> kernel /vmlinuz root=/hdc1 rw |
| 07:42.23 | yunhual | grub> initrd /initrd.img |
| 07:42.23 | sobersabre | hi, is there a rule I am missing to create aliases to a NIC ? |
| 07:42.24 | yunhual | grub> boot |
| 07:42.41 | sobersabre | I am editing /etc/network/interfaces, and define 2 IP addresses. |
| 07:42.47 | liable | yunhual: your problem may be completely unrelated to what i am saying, but its usually a culprit for that sort of problem |
| 07:42.55 | sobersabre | if I am running ifdown/ifup scripts they fail. |
| 07:43.10 | liable | sobersabre: usually just eth0:0 |
| 07:43.32 | sobersabre | liable I have instead eth0 created eth0:0 and eth0:1 |
| 07:43.39 | liable | or whatever, man interfaces describes it iirc |
| 07:43.57 | yunhual | liable, i change my hardisk during last login.so you are right |
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| 07:44.31 | sobersabre | liable, OK! |
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| 07:44.33 | sobersabre | thanks!!! |
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| 07:46.07 | black_13_ | liable even so what happend to them? |
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| 07:46.40 | liable | black_13_: to what? |
| 07:46.54 | black_13_ | xorgcfg? |
| 07:47.03 | yunhual | liable, i installed debian with vmware on windows, and then, i can boot debian from vmware and also, i can boot it from really machine, i means not with vmware, reboot windows, and choose debian from grub menulist. |
| 07:47.27 | yunhual | it is great. do you think so ? |
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| 07:48.11 | liable | black_13_: oh, its gone.. |
| 07:48.16 | Xteven | hi, a KDE question: where can I change the behaviour of some keys in kde ? like switching to desktop X |
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| 07:48.36 | yunhual | liable, can you understander me? |
| 07:48.38 | liable | black_13_: no idea. try #debian-x on oftc if its not covered in any changelogs/docs |
| 07:48.50 | black_13_ | liable wtf? |
| 07:49.16 | liable | black_13_: right back at you. what are you wanting? |
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| 07:49.47 | liable | yunhual: you are saying you can boot your debian partition ordinarily, or from vmware? |
| 07:50.43 | yunhual | liable, yes |
| 07:51.32 | liable | yunhual: ok |
| 07:51.38 | sobersabre | liable, I would hug you, or buy you a pint. |
| 07:51.45 | sobersabre | or both |
| 07:51.49 | liable | sobersabre: a pint! :) |
| 07:51.51 | sobersabre | I mean buy && hug |
| 07:52.03 | sobersabre | I would choose the same |
| 07:52.05 | sobersabre | :) |
| 07:52.35 | sobersabre | I am 'gettting' a personal VLAN for my lab |
| 07:52.45 | sobersabre | and I need to test the DNS etc. |
| 07:52.51 | sobersabre | LDAP etc. |
| 07:52.53 | sobersabre | etc. etc. |
| 07:53.49 | sobersabre | so, naturally I should've used this thing :) |
| 07:53.56 | jindal | !tell sobersabre about enter |
| 07:54.44 | liable | jindal: not like the channel is scrolling madly atm.. :) |
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| 07:54.58 | jindal | huh |
| 07:55.27 | sobersabre | it does, thanks to my small effort. |
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| 08:09.53 | karsten | !kcontrol empty |
| 08:09.53 | dpkg | If kcontrol is empty, install kdelibs4c2a kcontrol and kdebase-data from unstable. If you think you're tough enough. |
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| 08:10.41 | karsten | dpkg: kcontrol empty is also or cd /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged; ln -s ../applications-merged/kde-essential .; which also seems to work. |
| 08:10.41 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
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| 08:15.13 | SlayerXP | !ops SupeR is an on-join porn spammer |
| 08:15.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: slayerxp complains about: SupeR is an on-join porn spammer |
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| 08:15.36 | peterS | bleh. |
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| 08:15.44 | SlayerXP | taq |
| 08:15.47 | SlayerXP | -q |
| 08:16.29 | SpeedyG | /2/2 |
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| 08:20.52 | RichiH | bleh peterrooney :p |
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| 08:21.23 | RichiH | erm, peters |
| 08:21.38 | karsten | Hrm. Any other sources in addition to marillat I might want to add? |
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| 08:24.20 | teledyn_ | Debian Multimedia? |
| 08:24.42 | liable | same same |
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| 08:27.11 | teledyn_ | ah ok |
| 08:27.14 | sobersabre | where do I add additional routes that should be made for my interfaces ? |
| 08:27.24 | sobersabre | I have created 2 aliases to eth0 |
| 08:27.38 | sobersabre | both in diff. networks, and have different default routers |
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| 08:28.14 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.20 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: you mean routes to bridge the separate subnets? |
| 08:28.50 | sobersabre | teledyn_ not to bridge. |
| 08:29.04 | sobersabre | I have 2 interfaces: 0 and 0-special |
| 08:29.05 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: just add the default route as you would a normal interface |
| 08:29.34 | sobersabre | I did, one of them is set up, the 2nd - NO. |
| 08:29.36 | teledyn_ | i.e. specify the gateway for the interface |
| 08:29.44 | sobersabre | I have done that. |
| 08:29.47 | sobersabre | doesn't help... |
| 08:29.59 | teledyn_ | paste the output of route -n somewhere |
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| 08:31.13 | sobersabre | teledyn_ if I add the route manually it works. |
| 08:31.20 | sobersabre | I want to automate this process. |
| 08:31.55 | teledyn_ | let's see what's wrong first. why isn't it showing up? |
| 08:32.29 | sobersabre | teledyn_ imaging 4 lines. |
| 08:32.38 | teledyn_ | what is there to automate beyond the network/interfaces? |
| 08:32.55 | sobersabre | teledyn_ network/interfaces doesn't use one of the routers. |
| 08:32.59 | sobersabre | that is a problem |
| 08:33.03 | sobersabre | I don't see the reason. |
| 08:33.49 | sobersabre | it picks up the 1st 'gateway' |
| 08:34.05 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: without seeing the route output i can't help |
| 08:34.15 | sobersabre | ok |
| 08:34.36 | teledyn_ | ifconfig output would also be helpful |
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| 08:35.11 | wlnet | . |
| 08:35.27 | wlnet | can't browse .asp file offline with firefox, do i need a plugin to do that? |
| 08:35.42 | wlnet | online is ok. |
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| 08:37.04 | karsten | wlnet: .asp files are interpreted by the webserver. |
| 08:37.29 | karsten | wlnet: As are shtml, php, cgi, etc. You can't just display them in a browser AFAIK. |
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| 08:39.52 | d | lu |
| 08:39.55 | d | il y a kelkun ? |
| 08:40.34 | wlnet | does that mean they cannot be browsed offline? |
| 08:40.34 | wlnet | one way is to change them to .html. that would be an extra step, that's all. |
| 08:40.54 | d | bon tj perosbbe |
| 08:40.58 | d | bon tj personne |
| 08:41.08 | widrone | wlnet: .asp astive server pages or somethig like that, server side stuff really. |
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| 08:41.34 | widrone | wlnet: Active, I ment to say active. Just a little freudian slip here. |
| 08:42.17 | wlnet | k, anyway, when i change them to html, they can be viewed offline. |
| 08:42.34 | teledyn_ | wlnet: when you save the page, is there a drop-down list for "Save As" type? save it as a web archive or some other type |
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| 08:43.20 | widrone | wlnet: Nope, dont think so. Go ask M$, I think its their handywork. |
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| 08:44.12 | wlnet | teledyn_: in firefox, there is only 'Save page as", where i can specify the file name or destination dir. |
| 08:44.58 | enouf | doesn't .jsp also fall into this category? |
| 08:45.00 | teledyn_ | wlnet: odd. in opera you can "Save As" then select a different type such as web archive which is nice for getting the complete page with images and all |
| 08:45.06 | wlnet | widrone: i have done that, change to .html and open them with firefox successfully. |
| 08:45.18 | bruddah | opera ownerz |
| 08:45.21 | bruddah | firefox loserz |
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| 08:45.32 | rsk | hehe |
| 08:45.39 | rsk | bruddah: dont flame or troll |
| 08:45.41 | teledyn_ | wlnet: there's always konqueror also |
| 08:45.47 | widrone | Eek, my mirror is giving me 404s. What have I done to deserve this. |
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| 08:46.04 | enouf | wlnet: just add a .html to them when Saving .. you'll see a static page .. |
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| 08:46.24 | enouf | nods at teledyn_ |
| 08:46.41 | wlnet | enouf: yeah, change to .html before or after saving. thks. |
| 08:47.06 | samyboy | Hi |
| 08:47.19 | samyboy | Question: How to avoid ejecting the CD after debian install ? |
| 08:47.29 | bruddah | rsk: fact stating isn't flaming ;) |
| 08:47.29 | enouf | wlnet: try that .. then hopefully at a later time .. when viewing offline .. FF will interpret the html ext. |
| 08:47.31 | wlnet | teledyn_: i tried with konqueror, all images are gone, replaced with empty boxes. |
| 08:47.49 | enouf | samyboy: try not loading the "eject" module |
| 08:47.55 | wlnet | enouf: i had tried and it works. |
| 08:48.12 | samyboy | thx i'll have a look |
| 08:48.29 | enouf | wlnet: that has to do with caching .. you'll have to understand how all that works to get this all correct.. |
| 08:48.37 | enouf | wlnet: ok cool |
| 08:48.41 | amphi | !lose bruddah |
| 08:48.42 | dpkg | bruddah: You Lose. |
| 08:48.44 | wlnet | k |
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| 08:49.18 | wlnet | bye |
| 08:49.20 | samyboy | enouf, do you have a link to some doc for me about this ? |
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| 08:50.05 | enouf | wlnet: note : if you clear the FF cache .. you may lose stuff like images ... that's why I say : learn anout caching .. you can (as I have done) Edit the source html to point to a location on your HDD where the images/etc are stored |
| 08:50.28 | dooglus | bruddah: "opera ownerz": in English we phrase that as "Opera is proprietary software" |
| 08:51.04 | enouf | samyboy: not really .. but I'm sure it exists .. and I do recall being asked about that during a recent etch install .. I used "expertgui" mode for installation |
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| 08:51.48 | samyboy | ok thank you for the help enouf |
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| 08:53.20 | enouf | samyboy: there are 4 choices for "type" of install using the etch installer : IIRC: install, expert, installgui, expertgui .. the expert choices allow for much more custom configuration during installation |
| 08:53.48 | enouf | samyboy: obviously the "gui" modes wil use the GUI interface :-) |
| 08:53.48 | bruddah | apt-get is my etch installer |
| 08:54.11 | bruddah | apt-get expert |
| 08:54.18 | liable | eh? |
| 08:54.34 | bruddah | oops heh thought it was command line. im dlerious from lack of sleep |
| 08:54.46 | bruddah | dilerious however you spell it |
| 08:54.56 | enouf | samyboy: at boot to CD/DVD/whatever .. use the F2-F10 keys for much more info |
| 08:56.01 | dooglus | the auto-repeat has stopped working on my keyboard. is there a command to turn it back on? and why might it have turned off? |
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| 08:57.28 | wlnet | can't i use wildcard in mv, such as 'mv *.asp *.html'? |
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| 08:58.07 | dooglus | hmmm. "xset r" turned in back on. but I didn't "xset -r" to turn it off. |
| 08:58.14 | dooglus | wlnet: no, you can't |
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| 08:58.46 | wlnet | dooglus: only way is to do it one at a time? |
| 08:59.05 | widrone | Little tip, dont do big upgrades when sleep deprivated. Please... |
| 08:59.40 | widrone | And dont change root passwords when drunk or otherwise under the influence of drugs. :) |
| 08:59.56 | cydork | samyboy: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s02.html look for eject |
| 09:00.21 | dooglus | wlnet: there's a program that will do it, but I can't remember what it's called. what I would do is type: for i in *; do mv "$i" "${i%.asp}.htm"; done |
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| 09:00.28 | samyboy | omg you're so helpful, i didn't expect so much help. many thanks. |
| 09:00.47 | cydork | wlnet:man rename |
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| 09:00.58 | dooglus | wlnet: html, not htm, of course |
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| 09:02.19 | cydork | predder: the previous one was better :P |
| 09:03.48 | dooglus | !info mmv | wlnet |
| 09:03.51 | enouf | wlnet: or use a combo of find and xargs |
| 09:04.01 | dooglus | !info mmv |
| 09:04.06 | dpkg | mmv: (Move/Copy/Append/Link multiple files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.01b-14 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 09:04.26 | teledyn_ | odd that apt-cache search wildcard only gets one hit for a perl package |
| 09:04.27 | enouf | !rename cydork |
| 09:04.28 | dooglus | cydork: if you know perl then you don't need rename, and if you don't then it's useless... |
| 09:05.05 | enouf | dpkg: cydork is now known as cydorkiness |
| 09:05.05 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 09:05.09 | enouf | hehe |
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| 09:05.39 | wlnet | widrone: or don't deprive yourself of sleep. |
| 09:05.39 | wlnet | or don't get drunk. |
| 09:05.39 | wlnet | widrone: my advice is, avoid alcohol and drugs, and go to sleep. :D |
| 09:05.42 | wlnet | dooglus: thks a lot. mmv looks like the right tool. |
| 09:06.40 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 09:06.41 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a Ubuntu user |
| 09:06.58 | dooglus | !ubuntu |
| 09:06.58 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 09:07.02 | teledyn_ | wow is mmv actually a win32 app ported to linux? the README calls it mmv.exe |
| 09:07.24 | enouf | why is it so diffucult to find that /NewInEtch wiki.debian.org page .. and why isn't the wiki section linked to, from many places within the debian.org site? |
| 09:07.24 | karsten | teledyn_: What's mmv? |
| 09:07.49 | enouf | WINE anyone? .. not I |
| 09:07.50 | teledyn_ | karsten: see above conversation. someone recommended it to someone else for moving stuff |
| 09:07.56 | karsten | teledyn_: Dig. |
| 09:08.00 | dooglus | teledyn_: which version of debian? |
| 09:09.23 | dooglus | teledyn_: in unstable I don't see any .exe in the man page |
| 09:09.23 | teledyn_ | dooglus: i said the README |
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| 09:10.04 | enouf | what's with the netsplit ? ... YOWzer |
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| 09:11.26 | dooglus | teledyn_: so you did! |
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| 09:12.25 | dooglus | teledyn_: interesting. it looks pretty old, too. |
| 09:12.41 | teledyn_ | dooglus: wow i just realized how grammatically interesting that sentence is |
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| 09:13.47 | teledyn_ | "So you did!" |
| 09:15.04 | dooglus | teledyn_: it's a strange use of "so" I guess. |
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| 09:15.11 | teledyn_ | i guess it shows how placing an adverb in a weird location and changing emphasis you get a whole new meaning |
| 09:15.39 | teledyn_ | i wonder if you can do that in say japanese? |
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| 09:17.01 | marsje | Hi. I just did an apt-get upgrade. After it got all packages my server almost crashed and I got this error: |
| 09:17.04 | marsje | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lsb-base_3.1-22_all.deb (--unpack): fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 09:17.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:17.27 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:17.35 | marsje | Anyone know what went wrong here? After a while the system responded again and apt-get ended. |
| 09:17.39 | dooglus | teledyn_: initial research indicates you can't do that in Czech, if that's any use. |
| 09:18.04 | dooglus | marsje: something's eating all your available virtual memory. |
| 09:18.20 | dooglus | marsje: did you restart firefox in the last few hours? if not, it's time to... |
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| 09:21.33 | mesut | hello. how do i run some spesific commands auto,on spesific user logins ? |
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| 09:21.50 | mesut | i tried .profile, seems does not work |
| 09:21.58 | tarzeau | mesut: which shell do they have? |
| 09:22.01 | mesut | bash |
| 09:22.02 | karsten | mesut: ~/.bash_profile |
| 09:22.03 | tarzeau | what kind of commands do you want to run? |
| 09:22.04 | marsje | dooglus: it's running as a headless server, so no firefox running. It has been up for 66 days now.. |
| 09:22.08 | mesut | ah |
| 09:22.11 | karsten | mesut: ~/.login for csh, tcsh |
| 09:22.19 | cyzie | hello, i ahve a new disk, how do i add into the system? |
| 09:22.21 | tarzeau | karsten: that won't do for x programs |
| 09:22.31 | tarzeau | and zsh? |
| 09:22.35 | tarzeau | .zlogin i guess |
| 09:22.38 | karsten | mesut: .xinitrc or .Xsession for X |
| 09:22.47 | tarzeau | cyzie: add it, the check with dmesg/cfdisk/mkfs |
| 09:22.51 | tarzeau | cyzie: then mount/fstab |
| 09:22.59 | mesut | .bash_profile is what i need,thanks |
| 09:23.01 | marsje | dooglus: could dpkg or apt-get use a lot of memory when unpacking large packages or something? |
| 09:23.07 | karsten | tarzeau: Hah! |
| 09:23.15 | tarzeau | mesut: it'll break if the user changes his shell |
| 09:23.32 | cyzie | tarzeau, is there anything on the dpkg saying add new hdd ? |
| 09:23.40 | mesut | tarzeau, ive exit after that command |
| 09:23.46 | mesut | i think he wont have enough time |
| 09:23.49 | teledyn_ | what's up with this famd thing? i can't unmount my external drives? |
| 09:24.04 | widrone | marsje: How much ram in the box? |
| 09:24.12 | tarzeau | cyzie: no |
| 09:24.17 | widrone | marsje: Any swap active btw? |
| 09:24.27 | tarzeau | cyzie: you want the user not be able to login? |
| 09:24.40 | tarzeau | cyzie: then the exit is not very smart |
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| 09:24.42 | cyzie | tarzeau, ?? user? |
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| 09:25.05 | dooglus | mesut: are these users really logging in, or are they using gdm? |
| 09:25.17 | mesut | no X dooglus |
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| 09:25.33 | dooglus | marsje: it's possible I guess - you can try using 'top' to monitor virtual memory size per process |
| 09:25.48 | mesut | theres a ncurses apps they use only (which i just wrote it in profile) |
| 09:25.50 | mesut | now works |
| 09:25.51 | dooglus | mesut: bash runs ~/.bash_profile when they log in. see 'man bash' |
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| 09:26.18 | dooglus | mesut: specifically: " After reading that file, it looks for |
| 09:26.18 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.23 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.46 | dooglus | mesut: so that's why .profile isn't working - .bash_profile probably exists, and takes priority |
| 09:27.21 | marsje | widrone: the box has 192MB ram, Pentium-III. My swap partition is 465853 blocks |
| 09:29.02 | dooglus | marsje: if you want them to just be able to run one app, then you can set that app to be their shell instead of bash. |
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| 09:29.26 | samyboy | what do you think about installing unstable for a production lamp server ? |
| 09:29.52 | marsje | dooglus: I'm the only user :) |
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| 09:30.47 | dooglus | marsje: I'm getting you mixed up with mesut, sorry. |
| 09:31.18 | widrone | dooglus: Youre not the only one, for some strange reason. Im too... |
| 09:31.38 | dooglus | widrone: they're both m<blur> to me |
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| 09:32.07 | widrone | marsje: Hm, dunno really. Cant see any bugs filed that cover what you are talking about either. |
| 09:32.26 | marsje | dooglus: the spamd and lwresd processes use quite a lot of virtual mem... |
| 09:32.38 | dooglus | widrone: my brain sees an 's' followed by a 'j' and rejects it as invalid input, merely remembering it started with an 'm'. I think that's the problem. |
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| 09:33.07 | dooglus | marsje: spamd is big, yes. can you stop it while you upgrade? (sudo /etc/init.d/spamassassin stop) |
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| 09:36.12 | sobersabre | teledyn_ are you here ? |
| 09:36.41 | sobersabre | I'm pasting the network/interfaces, good and bad routing table. |
| 09:37.23 | widrone | !paste |
| 09:37.23 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:38.40 | yunhual | what is the relationship between the xorg and XFree86 |
| 09:39.15 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: i'm back |
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| 09:39.33 | sobersabre | great,. pastebin is so slow... |
| 09:39.34 | sobersabre | :) |
| 09:39.42 | sobersabre | http://pastebin.com/836011 |
| 09:39.51 | teledyn_ | ok 1 sec |
| 09:40.25 | sobersabre | teledyn_ the problem is not how to do it at all, I know how to use ifconfig, route, ip route etc. |
| 09:40.45 | sobersabre | the Q is: can I avoid adding some post-up script or not. |
| 09:40.45 | sobersabre | :) |
| 09:40.58 | sobersabre | note the netmasks please. |
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| 09:41.12 | sobersabre | this is not a typo |
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| 09:42.24 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: you know what the problem is with having 2 default routes right? |
| 09:42.33 | dooglus | yunhual: x.org is a fork of XFree86; the dominant fork now |
| 09:42.44 | sobersabre | teledyn_ I don't want to have 2 default routes. |
| 09:42.55 | sobersabre | I want to have one gateway, |
| 09:42.59 | sobersabre | and one default one. |
| 09:43.14 | sobersabre | is there a way to differ these in network/interfaces file ? |
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| 09:43.32 | dooglus | yunhual: X11R6.7.0, the first version of the X.Org Server, was forked from XFree86 4.4 RC2. The immediate reason for the fork was a disagreement with the new license for the final release version of XFree86 4.4 (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xorg ) |
| 09:43.45 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: i notice on the right hand side for the subnet routes that the interface is always eth0, not the alias |
| 09:43.59 | sobersabre | true |
| 09:44.07 | sobersabre | does this matter too |
| 09:44.08 | sobersabre | '? |
| 09:44.14 | teledyn_ | i don't know |
| 09:44.17 | sobersabre | I mean, it is the same hardware address |
| 09:44.25 | sobersabre | I don't see how it differs. |
| 09:44.34 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: i would manually destroy then recreate the routing table you want exactly, and test it |
| 09:44.55 | sobersabre | teledyn_ have you noticed what I was asking ? |
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| 09:45.56 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: yes. so how did you get the extra route between the 36 and and 39 subnets in the good table? |
| 09:47.18 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: at any rate, you want to remove the gateway line from one of those two iface stanzas |
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| 09:47.52 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: you can only have one default route, i.e. gateway |
| 09:48.21 | sobersabre | teledyn_ I differ a gateway and default gateway. |
| 09:48.37 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: no |
| 09:48.38 | sobersabre | a gateway has other than 0.0.0.0 destination network |
| 09:48.45 | sobersabre | don't mess with me. ok ? :) |
| 09:49.07 | sobersabre | a 'default gateway', is a gateway with target network 0.0.0.0 |
| 09:49.18 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: you can have static routes between nets, and you can bridge different nets, but you can have only one default route |
| 09:49.51 | sobersabre | teledyn_ you are using words 'route', 'gateway'... too roughly. |
| 09:49.54 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.12 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 09:50.16 | mazzanet | linux routing gurus unite |
| 09:50.20 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: the network script, when it sees the gateway lines, will run "route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" for that address, which is not what you want for both of them |
| 09:50.30 | sobersabre | OH |
| 09:50.33 | sobersabre | that is a problem |
| 09:50.35 | mazzanet | my debian box has two interfaces - eth0 (192.168.1.0/24) which is my internal lan and ppp0 (203.206.205.83/32 and 203.206.142.64/30). currently ppp0 has just 203.206.205.83 assigned to it. one of the boxes (win32) on my lan (currently 192.168.1.72), i want to make it 203.206.142.66 and be fully routable. how. |
| 09:50.39 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: i'm talking about what the script is doing, not your terminology |
| 09:50.45 | sobersabre | ok |
| 09:50.55 | sobersabre | So, I will have to add my own script |
| 09:50.57 | sobersabre | I see. |
| 09:51.00 | sobersabre | thank you. |
| 09:51.13 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: you can man interfaces and see if there's an option to specify custom routes, or just write your own script |
| 09:51.31 | sobersabre | I haven't noticed 'custom routes'... I will retry to find. |
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| 09:53.21 | sobersabre | hmmm I have found something in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ :) |
| 09:53.40 | sobersabre | teledyn_ in case you don't want to add a default gw, you can add line like: |
| 09:53.56 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 09:54.02 | sobersabre | up route add -net 192.168.1.128 netmask 255.255.255.128 gw 192.168.1.2 |
| 09:54.04 | sobersabre | yeps. |
| 09:54.06 | sobersabre | :) |
| 09:54.10 | sobersabre | ok thanks man |
| 09:54.11 | sobersabre | :) |
| 09:54.31 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: that's what i call a "net route", as opposed to a "host route" or a "default route" |
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| 09:54.54 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: which if you run the route command manually you will see is the syntax |
| 09:55.12 | black_13_ | why was xorgcfg removed? |
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| 09:55.49 | teledyn_ | black_13_: because its not needed? |
| 09:55.59 | sobersabre | teledyn_ :) I would expect it to have ip route syntax. |
| 09:56.06 | sobersabre | but it uses the old route syntax. |
| 09:56.12 | black_13_ | teledyn_ i worked find for me |
| 09:56.26 | teledyn_ | black_13_: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:56.28 | sobersabre | ( e.g. 'via' is a good thing ) |
| 09:56.40 | black_13_ | teledyn trying to get xorg to work |
| 09:56.51 | sphenxes | i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work |
| 09:57.19 | teledyn_ | sobersabre: and then even route syntax varies between unixes |
| 09:57.35 | teledyn_ | black_13_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:57.58 | black_13_ | doesnt work |
| 09:58.06 | teledyn_ | !doesn't work |
| 09:58.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:58.36 | black_13_ | sure i was going to follow up |
| 09:58.38 | black_13_ | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YFo3JT49.html |
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| 10:00.46 | teledyn_ | black_13_: umm that is xorg log output |
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| 10:01.10 | black_13_ | teledyn_ yes |
| 10:01.14 | sphenxes | i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it |
| 10:01.14 | sphenxes | or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/ |
| 10:01.15 | sphenxes | usbdisk/ doesn't work. error messag: mount special device /dev/sda2 doesn't exist |
| 10:01.20 | sphenxes | sorry |
| 10:01.26 | black_13_ | i was hoping that would give some insight into the error |
| 10:01.30 | teledyn_ | black_13_: what does that have to do with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 10:01.33 | sphenxes | i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it |
| 10:01.33 | sphenxes | or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/usbdisk/ doesn't work i have encrypted a partition on my external hard drive, now I can't mount it or use. how to mount an encrypted partition. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2/ /media/ |
| 10:01.34 | sphenxes | usbdisk/ doesn't work. error messag: mount special device /dev/sda2 doesn't exist |
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| 10:02.18 | black_13_ | i ran dpkg and and i have xorg flie when i run startx those are the errors i get |
| 10:02.45 | teledyn_ | black_13_: sounds like it couldn't find a valid mode for the card. did you specify the right values? |
| 10:03.07 | black_13_ | modeline? |
| 10:03.24 | black_13_ | i can post the xorg.conf |
| 10:03.47 | teledyn_ | black_13_: how did you answer the questions? |
| 10:04.18 | teledyn_ | black_13_: when it asked you? |
| 10:04.30 | teledyn_ | black_13_: it should autodetect your card |
| 10:05.04 | enouf | sphenxes: echo .. eh? |
| 10:05.07 | black_13_ | sadly the computer has two cards a built in card and new card ... make sense |
| 10:05.17 | sphenxes | enouf, sorry |
| 10:05.49 | enouf | sphenxes: how was it encrypted? did you do it? |
| 10:05.49 | black_13_ | initially it detected the built in card i then changed that and the driver bus ide |
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| 10:06.45 | sphenxes | enouf, i have used the encryption coming with SuSE 10.0. there is a box that I have checked to encrypt the partition |
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| 10:06.58 | enouf | sphenxes: what errors is it telling you? |
| 10:07.40 | sphenxes | enouf, special device /dev/sda2 doesn't exit |
| 10:07.41 | enouf | sphenxes: do NOT flood the channel .. use a pastbin .. www.pastebin.ca works |
| 10:07.43 | sphenxes | exist |
| 10:08.05 | black_13_ | here is what it produced http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/4hnKHx30.html |
| 10:08.19 | enouf | sphenxes: is only sda2 encrypted? and which release of Debian are you using? |
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| 10:09.15 | sphenxes | enouf, yes it is only sda2, sda1 is vfat partition. sorry I am using SuSE 10.0 but getting no answer on there channel |
| 10:09.34 | liable | ... |
| 10:09.52 | teledyn__ | black_13_: how did you answer the questions do dpkg? |
| 10:09.56 | liable | try #linux |
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| 10:10.02 | teledyn__ | s/do dpkg/to dpkg/ |
| 10:10.29 | cydork | sphenxes: you cant mount it like this.. you have to find out how it was encrypted .. |
| 10:10.44 | black_13_ | teledyn_ can you think of specific question there are quite a few |
| 10:10.48 | enouf | sphenxes: I will end this convo (since it's non-debian related) with make sure your dmcrypt, crpyto, and loopcrypt type modules are loaded .. or whatever you used .. and make sure the /mount/poiny actually exists |
| 10:11.08 | liable | black_13_: if you have onboard, disable it in bios |
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| 10:11.31 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks any way |
| 10:11.49 | black_13_ | liable will make it as thougt its totally "dead" |
| 10:11.56 | teledyn__ | black_13_: what about autodetecting the card? |
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| 10:12.08 | sphenxes | cydork, i think that is the main problem. i will go back to suse documentation. it should be there |
| 10:12.18 | black_13_ | it detects the intel card (onboard) not the ati card |
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| 10:12.58 | teledyn__ | black_13_: are you trying to run both? |
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| 10:13.13 | black_13_ | oh god now |
| 10:13.14 | black_13_ | no |
| 10:13.28 | teledyn__ | why not disable the onboard as liable said? |
| 10:13.31 | enouf | black_13_: set your goals higher :-P |
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| 10:14.10 | cast | if /dev/sda2 is encrypted he's still going to be able to cat /dev/sda2, he'll just get ciphertext. his error...device does not exist is not related |
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| 10:14.44 | enouf | cast non-recognition od actual device then .. hrmm |
| 10:14.49 | enouf | of* |
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| 10:16.49 | RichiH | anyone else not able to use the keyboard while playing flash stuff? |
| 10:16.55 | cast | he might have encrypted /dev/sda, though, i imagine that might create that kind of error |
| 10:16.58 | RichiH | and if yes, any known workaround? |
| 10:17.41 | cast | [but that would be contridictory to him saying /dev/sda1 wasn't encrypted..] |
| 10:17.52 | teledyn__ | RichiH: maybe its stealing the focus? |
| 10:18.03 | enouf | cast: right .. |
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| 10:18.20 | black_13_ | teledyn_ no way to disable the card |
| 10:18.50 | teledyn__ | black_13_: when dpkg asks, do you input the correct bus identifier? |
| 10:19.06 | RichiH | teledyn__: i mean i want the keyboard events to arrive in flash |
| 10:19.07 | black_13_ | yes |
| 10:19.15 | enouf | RichiH: one of the many reasons to not allow unknown proprietary code .. to whizz-bang all around your system .. I'll never use flashcrap .. nor javashit |
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| 10:19.23 | RichiH | sorry, first statement was not very exact |
| 10:19.25 | black_13_ | i get the output from lspci |
| 10:19.26 | yunhual | mount --bind |
| 10:19.28 | yunhual | what is bind mount |
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| 10:19.36 | teledyn__ | black_13_: yeah |
| 10:20.18 | liable | enouf: dont ever watch youtube? |
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| 10:20.28 | enouf | liable: nope .. |
| 10:20.35 | simmerz | how do i force kill a process that is showing as <defunct> ? |
| 10:20.44 | enouf | liable: got better things to do in life :-) |
| 10:20.59 | simmerz | oh, kill its child |
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| 10:21.06 | teledyn__ | i visit the youtube site occasionally, click on links, and wonder why nothing happens after 10 minutes |
| 10:21.08 | liable | parent |
| 10:21.29 | enouf | liable: besides .. that'll just be supporting Sen Ted .. Mr Bridge-to-Nowhere .. with dumptrucks :-p |
| 10:21.41 | teledyn__ | on the 5% of occasions when something does happen, i see a clip for maybe 5 seconds, which then freezes, apparently because its buffering |
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| 10:22.40 | liable | enouf: fair enough, but for the rest of us, flash is needed for that sorta stuffs |
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| 10:23.01 | teledyn__ | i agree flash and java are garbage |
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| 10:26.14 | teledyn__ | downloading an .avi takes the same amount of time, plus you have the copy saved |
| 10:26.53 | liable | teledyn__: tell me how to get the avi out of a flash url and i'll be forever greatfull |
| 10:27.15 | liable | i have been down this road.. |
| 10:27.22 | teledyn__ | liable: no i know i must mean if you're watching videos, i'd rather spend bandwidth getting an avi |
| 10:27.36 | teledyn__ | s/must mean/just mean/ |
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| 10:28.11 | liable | teledyn__: that doesnt help me when i see an interesting link to a video thats a flash link |
| 10:28.26 | teledyn__ | plus flash stuff seems too much like its goind down the treacherous computing route, for exactly that reason: you can't get the actual file |
| 10:29.03 | teledyn__ | anything worth watching is going to be available and free |
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| 10:36.47 | teledyn__ | maybe i'm thinking of realplayer links, not flash? |
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| 10:37.18 | black_13_ | well this sucks |
| 10:37.24 | teledyn__ | actually no, i've seen that with flash ones too |
| 10:37.27 | Skiver | i use this to download videos in flash. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/ |
| 10:38.36 | teledyn__ | Skiver: yes. once you use that then you realize that all watching streaming videos is is the same thing as downloading them. e.g. all youtube is is a glorified download service after all. |
| 10:39.09 | teledyn__ | unless they decide to treacherize it somehow so the tool no longer works. then it will be virtual ipod. |
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| 10:39.31 | lastnode | which package is dh_python in? |
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| 10:40.01 | smellydog | Is there any lib for handling RSS on Windows? |
| 10:40.02 | teledyn__ | lastnode: use apt-file to search |
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| 10:45.52 | Skiver | teledyn__, i think what made youtube famous wasn't only the video streaming, it was the embed codes that allow others(bloggers, webmasters etc) to actually paste the video somewhere else, |
| 10:46.31 | petemc | probably a combination of both |
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| 10:46.54 | petemc | ah, you said that |
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| 10:47.15 | cast | i think it be the community that somehow formed on youtube |
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| 10:49.44 | teledyn__ | you can't hyperlink a URL to an avi in a blog? |
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| 10:51.21 | qazera | hello |
| 10:51.27 | cast | teledyn__: not when you're an emo 16 yo girl, no *cough*livejournal*cough* |
| 10:51.36 | blondie | myspace |
| 10:51.45 | blondie | MyEmoSpace |
| 10:51.57 | Ronin | ack, what a horrible thing to see first thing in the morning, myspace |
| 10:52.01 | blondie | :D |
| 10:52.15 | qazera | can anyone know which debian installion cd is good for xSeries 306 |
| 10:52.17 | qazera | ? |
| 10:52.57 | Trewas | teledyn__: windows doesn't provide any useful codecs for avi by default and avi is not streaming format, flash at least works for the majority (the windows users) quite hassle-free |
| 10:53.42 | CharminTheMoose | question:Do you use the PATH variable in bash to tell bash where to look for executables/libs? |
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| 10:54.13 | teledyn__ | Trewas: but all i'm saying is when you stream or download you're still using the same bandwidth. its not like streaming is some magical thing that's better. i don't know about windows though, or care |
| 10:54.15 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: yes |
| 10:54.21 | blondie | well, executables anyway |
| 10:54.47 | teledyn__ | CharminTheMoose: for executables. |
| 10:55.39 | teledyn__ | CharminTheMoose: there's ldconfig for dynamic libraries |
| 10:56.26 | Trewas | teledyn__: sure, but at least personally I would never bother to wait to download any video from youtube etc, with streaming video I notice early that it's the usual crap and can stop watching (and downloading) immediately :) |
| 10:57.21 | teledyn__ | Trewas: true. i always like to read the comment pages on torrent sites as well. |
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| 10:59.18 | teledyn__ | for similar reasons |
| 11:00.04 | teledyn__ | plus i love watching partially downloaded avi torrents and seeing all the cool pschedelic imagery :-) |
| 11:00.53 | zimnyx | I need to install php5 for apache2 on Sarge, but libapache2-mod-php5 is not available in Sarge. Where i can download it from? PS. Sarge has apache2.0, and Etch's libapache2-mod-php5 is not compatibile. |
| 11:01.11 | liable | zimnyx: backports.org |
| 11:01.13 | cydork | zimnyx: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 11:01.18 | cast | you can watch avi streaming, surely |
| 11:01.27 | zimnyx | thank you. |
| 11:01.42 | Trewas | cast: but not skip ahead etc before getting the index which is in the end of avi |
| 11:01.58 | teledyn__ | what about .ogm ? |
| 11:02.57 | teledyn__ | actually though if you think about it skipping ahead on an avi you're "streaming" is kind of moot |
| 11:03.03 | cast | Trewas: sure, you can't skip ahead. but you can't in streaming radio either, |
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| 11:03.17 | adhawkins | Can anyone tell me how to get around this error? |
| 11:03.19 | adhawkins | part_nowrite check:: No such file or directory |
| 11:03.26 | adhawkins | I've just compiled a new kernel on debian, and am trying to run lilo to include it |
| 11:03.39 | adhawkins | THis lilo setup has been fine on this box for ages now. |
| 11:03.44 | cast | [least not the stations i listen to, it's ~real radio in that aspect. if you miss a song you miss it, and you can't skip what you don't like] |
| 11:03.45 | teledyn__ | adhawkins: why not use make-kpkg and let it set up the bootloader? |
| 11:03.49 | Skiver | teledyn__, for site owners it makes a difference, it's either kill your own bandwidth for hosting the avi, or kill youtube's for pasting the embedded. |
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| 11:04.26 | teledyn__ | Skiver: but someone could make another site that hosts the AVIs |
| 11:04.44 | adhawkins | teledyn: I do use make-kpkg |
| 11:04.54 | chino | where do i set static ip's ? |
| 11:04.56 | adhawkins | However, I have a number of kernels listed in lilo.conf, not just the two. |
| 11:05.00 | teledyn__ | adhawkins: plus all the other benefits of it. install kernel-package |
| 11:05.08 | liable | teledyn__: dpkg doesnt do lilo |
| 11:05.25 | liable | chino: /etc/interfaces |
| 11:05.38 | teledyn__ | adhawkins: do you need lilo? grub is better anyhow |
| 11:05.40 | Trewas | cast: yeah, I thought we were mostly thinking of youtube and its ilk, not radio :) |
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| 11:06.04 | adhawkins | I guess I could try grub. Just confused as to why lilo has suddenly started giving this error |
| 11:06.28 | cydork | chino: /etc/network/interfaces and man interfaces |
| 11:06.44 | teledyn__ | adhawkins: one nice thing about grub in debian is that it automatically manages it for you |
| 11:07.21 | adhawkins | teledyn: Yes, I've used grub in the past |
| 11:07.49 | adhawkins | I'd like to get this problem sorted before thinking about a switch though. |
| 11:08.15 | liable | adhawkins: did you google this, seems plenty of hits for that error |
| 11:08.52 | liable | well, not plenty, but a few :) |
| 11:09.00 | adhawkins | Yes, but none actually seem to have an answer |
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| 11:09.23 | adhawkins | It's also complaining that /dev/dm-0 has been changed to /dev/vg01/cache |
| 11:09.33 | adhawkins | Are they related? |
| 11:09.39 | adhawkins | COuld it be trying to open /dev/dm-0? |
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| 11:10.35 | liable | dm-0 or dm0? |
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| 11:10.41 | adhawkins | dm-0 |
| 11:10.55 | adhawkins | That's listed in /proc/partitions, but in /dev it's actually /dev/vg01/cache |
| 11:11.26 | adhawkins | (That's an LVM logical volume) |
| 11:11.49 | liable | adhawkins: when lilo thows a spaz for me, i usually run lilconfig |
| 11:12.32 | liable | though, its prolly my fault that i need to do that to start with.. |
| 11:12.37 | adhawkins | What does that do? |
| 11:12.41 | Quintin | liable: it is your fault. |
| 11:12.44 | Quintin | liable: way to go. |
| 11:13.01 | adhawkins | My lilo.conf is fairly simple |
| 11:13.11 | liable | adhawkins: paste your actual error to a pastebot |
| 11:13.16 | liable | Quintin: thanks |
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| 11:13.53 | adhawkins | http://pastebin.ca/262291 |
| 11:14.12 | adhawkins | gently:/boot# lilo |
| 11:14.12 | adhawkins | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 11:14.12 | adhawkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.13 | adhawkins | part_nowrite check:: No such file or directory |
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| 11:14.24 | adhawkins | Doh, sorry |
| 11:14.56 | adhawkins | Did you get that? |
| 11:15.05 | blondie | no |
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| 11:15.08 | blondie | dont paste |
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| 11:15.16 | adhawkins | http://pastebin.ca/262292 |
| 11:15.23 | chjunior | stew, are you here? |
| 11:16.04 | adhawkins | Any help? |
| 11:16.16 | chjunior | me? |
| 11:16.19 | chjunior | yes |
| 11:16.37 | liable | adhawkins: nfc on that dev problem.. just try running liloconfig |
| 11:16.47 | adhawkins | What will liloconfig do? |
| 11:17.16 | liable | man liloconfig |
| 11:17.18 | adhawkins | I posted my config above, I don't think there's a problem with it. |
| 11:17.19 | chjunior | I was wanting to know if is there any problem with SATAII in the current Debian (in testing, etch) |
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| 11:17.35 | adhawkins | http://pastebin.ca/262291 |
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| 11:17.45 | adhawkins | There are more image sections than that, but they're all pretty much the same |
| 11:17.59 | liable | chjunior: depends on the controller. sata2 is a broad sword |
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| 11:18.10 | adhawkins | There is one for the l2.6.17 which is the default |
| 11:18.35 | chjunior | liable, so I have to see the motherboard spec to know the controller, right? |
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| 11:19.26 | liable | chjunior: yes |
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| 11:19.41 | chjunior | liable, is the chipset important too? |
| 11:19.47 | liable | chjunior: well, you need the model, then google should enlighten you |
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| 11:20.08 | liable | chjunior: the controller is part of the chipset |
| 11:21.35 | adhawkins | Can you tell lilo not to scan partitions that it doesn't need to? |
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| 11:21.41 | adhawkins | It should only really care about /dev/hda* |
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| 11:21.58 | chjunior | liable, if I tell you the chipset/controller, do you know to tell me if will work? |
| 11:22.18 | liable | chjunior: all i can do is google the same as you can |
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| 11:22.29 | chjunior | liable, ok :D |
| 11:22.29 | liable | chjunior: or read kernel docs |
| 11:22.46 | trash45 | Hello everybody, i'm using KDE 3.5 from the apt and I want to autosync all mounted usb devices (so I'm using udev + hal + pmount), how to autosync without using autofs or fstab (so automaticaly for evey devices) ? |
| 11:23.04 | teledyn__ | you could look in the kernel source - run menuconfig or something and read under the ATA section |
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| 11:23.55 | trash45 | howto sync every usb devices ? |
| 11:24.02 | trash45 | automaticaly |
| 11:24.23 | amphi | trash45: mount them with the 'sync' option? |
| 11:25.00 | trash45 | I don't want to type the sync option into a console, I'm setuping a LAN with newbies, so it have to be automatic |
| 11:25.33 | trash45 | seting up sorry |
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| 11:25.53 | trash45 | so how to configure udev for auto syncing every usb devices ? |
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| 11:27.32 | sep | trash45, make a icon + script that run sync then, you can not detect that a user removes a device and run sync 5 seconds before that :) |
| 11:27.53 | sep | trash45, and mounting with sync is a sure way of killing your flash drives in a few months real usage :) |
| 11:27.57 | chin1 | cant i setup a gateway with "route" for one network ? |
| 11:28.02 | sep | lunch :) |
| 11:28.41 | trash45 | sep : k, thx |
| 11:29.13 | rpc | can someone please tell me how to make apt-get recognize that there is wxlib 2.6.0 out? |
| 11:29.16 | teledyn__ | chin1: yes |
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| 11:29.28 | SlayerXP | rpc: apt-get update |
| 11:29.33 | rpc | i tried |
| 11:29.39 | rpc | still can see just 2.4.x |
| 11:29.41 | teledyn__ | chin1: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 11:29.51 | rpc | while the app i'm trying to install needs 2.6.0 |
| 11:30.06 | chin1 | shouldn't this work ? "route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 192.168.1.1 eth1" |
| 11:30.10 | chin1 | no i mean using route |
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| 11:30.34 | teledyn__ | chin1: take off the eth1 at the end |
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| 11:30.51 | chin1 | why thats the device it should be going out |
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| 11:31.01 | teledyn__ | chin1: it goes by ip address |
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| 11:31.11 | liable | rpc: does apt-cache actually show app-2.6 is available? |
| 11:31.15 | rpc | inmy sources.list: stable main contrib non-free <---what is missing that would allow my apt to see 2.6.0? |
| 11:31.20 | teledyn__ | chii: gw ip is the same for the device |
| 11:31.21 | chjunior | liable, I found :D just on the kernel 2.6.18... but, is the debian installer ready to work with the satta? |
| 11:31.21 | rpc | liable nope |
| 11:31.30 | chin1 | so your saying the already existing route made by my nic's ip address will tell it what dev ? |
| 11:31.43 | liable | chjunior: not yet, it only has 2.6.17 iirc :( |
| 11:32.02 | teledyn__ | chin1: the ip address of the gw is the ip for the device |
| 11:32.03 | chjunior | liable, neither the testing? |
| 11:32.07 | liable | rpc: where did you get this app? if you use sarge, then you shouldnt have this problem |
| 11:32.32 | rpc | liable the app i'm trying to install is amuled and it needs wxlib 2.6.0 |
| 11:32.34 | teledyn__ | chin1: i'm not sure how it knows - you're probably right that it uses the existing routing table entry for the dev |
| 11:32.38 | liable | chjunior: thats what i was talking about. it should release with 2.6.18, but i dont think the installer has it yet |
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| 11:32.54 | rpc | liable (just don't call me a warez kid, i'm doing a kind of research) |
| 11:33.09 | liable | rpc: the point i am making, is that the repo wherever you are getting this app, is not a debian repo |
| 11:33.16 | chin1 | no i have my system setup as a masquerading router and i have a wireless router hooked up to it and a wireless network card to test things out but i cant trash my own deafult gateway cause the wireless router needs to connect through me so im trying to use "ping -I eth1 google.com" so i need to setup the default gw just for that network to reach the internet |
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| 11:33.31 | rpc | liable oh that you mean... no, the app comes as source, not as a package |
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| 11:33.49 | rpc | liable and it dies when i try to conf it because it wants me to have wxlib 2.6.0 installed |
| 11:33.54 | liable | rpc: then you need to get the source of that depends too then |
| 11:34.23 | teledyn__ | chin1: now i'm confused. :-) want to paste your routing table? |
| 11:34.29 | rpc | liable i'm confused |
| 11:34.49 | rpc | liable there are tons of depends and that will take whole day, that's why i wanted to apt-get that |
| 11:34.53 | chin1 | i just want a route that will allow a default gw for one of my nics |
| 11:34.54 | rpc | so it fills deps for me |
| 11:35.00 | liable | rpc: you need to install that 2.6 version (by whatever means you can) |
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| 11:35.18 | chjunior | liable, do you know this project? Is it good? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:35.19 | liable | rpc: if the 2.6 version isnt in the repos, how is apt supposed to fix it? |
| 11:35.28 | teledyn__ | chin1: on your machine there should always be only one default route |
| 11:35.33 | rpc | and sorry, it's not wxlib, it's libwx 2.6.0 that i need |
| 11:35.34 | liable | chjunior: yep, we recommend it here |
| 11:35.40 | liable | chjunior: he is a DD |
| 11:35.46 | teledyn__ | chin1: and in network/interfaces only one interface should have a "gateway" line |
| 11:35.51 | chin1 | teledyn__: yes i have that setup for my cable modem's gw |
| 11:35.54 | rpc | liable it IS in repos... it's my apt-get that doesn't get it |
| 11:36.06 | chin1 | i just want a route for my wireless card to try and use the wireless router |
| 11:36.13 | chjunior | liable, ok :D thanks :D so, problem solved :D |
| 11:36.18 | liable | rpc: paste your apt output to a paster |
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| 11:36.26 | rpc | liable all it sees is libwxgtk2.4 while there IS libwxgtk2.6.0 out |
| 11:36.32 | liable | chjunior: nice |
| 11:37.17 | rpc | liable: just look at this: libwxgtk2.6-0_2.6.3.2.1.5_i386.deb |
| 11:37.25 | rpc | i need apt-get to see that one and install it for me |
| 11:37.28 | teledyn__ | chin1: your masquerade box is connected to broadband via the wireless router? |
| 11:37.36 | rpc | but that's just non-stable i believe |
| 11:37.41 | liable | rpc: but where did you get that deb? |
| 11:37.57 | liable | rpc: apt-get cant install debs you download manually..... |
| 11:38.12 | liable | rpc: if you want to install it manually, use dpkg |
| 11:38.19 | biopyte | hi. i design figures at the university and then transfer them need them at home with 'scp'. to update my directory at home the 'rsync' tool would be a better choice, right? |
| 11:38.25 | rpc | liable i found it on packages.debian.org |
| 11:38.37 | rpc | liable no, i don't want manual as there are too many deps to fill... |
| 11:38.40 | chin1 | teledyn__: my masquerade box is connected directly to the cable modem on eth0.......... but eth2 connects to a switch........ the switch has a wireless router setup on it........... eth1 is a wireless card connected to the wireless network...... |
| 11:38.40 | teledyn__ | biopyte: yes rsync is a great tool |
| 11:38.53 | liable | rpc: gimme the link to the p.d.o page |
| 11:38.54 | petemc | biopyte: if you're updating existing files, yes, if you're adding new files theres not much difference |
| 11:38.56 | rpc | liable and yes, i know i can't install it with apt-get... i just want apt-get to see it on the list |
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| 11:39.05 | biopyte | teledyn__, alright, never usef it. |
| 11:39.17 | rpc | liable http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libwxgtk2.6-0 |
| 11:39.20 | teledyn__ | chin1: why not connect the wireless router to the cable modem, then plug the masquerade box into the wireless modem? |
| 11:39.21 | biopyte | petemc, its new *and* updating |
| 11:39.32 | chin1 | no way |
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| 11:39.40 | rpc | liable should i just add non-stable to my sources.list? or is it a diff word? |
| 11:39.53 | liable | rpc: um, thats a testing package, ie, its *not* in the sarge repos, thus you *cannot* install it with apt-get |
| 11:40.05 | rpc | liable rats |
| 11:40.06 | chin1 | i want my linux box to control the networking its running fine im masquering eth2 network and eth1 network |
| 11:40.09 | liable | rpc: unless you pin testing |
| 11:40.19 | rpc | liable so what can i do? only dpkg? |
| 11:40.22 | chin1 | i just have the wireless router 2 floors down for my brothers pc |
| 11:40.38 | heh_v_water | rpc, that package will not install with dpkg even |
| 11:40.42 | chin1 | i just want to see if the dam wireless network can reach the internet |
| 11:40.46 | rpc | just look at those deps... will take forever :( |
| 11:40.51 | liable | rpc: google 'apt-pinning' man apt_preferences |
| 11:40.51 | rpc | really |
| 11:40.58 | rpc | oh hm |
| 11:40.59 | liable | !tell rpc about pinning |
| 11:41.01 | heh_v_water | look at the dependancies on that page |
| 11:41.21 | heh_v_water | those are some important packages |
| 11:41.22 | rpc | now that's something new :) |
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| 11:41.39 | rpc | crap crap i just wanted to run amuled for a day |
| 11:41.44 | teledyn__ | chin1: i don't know. the easiest way would be to let the AP do the masquerading and plug the switch into it |
| 11:41.47 | liable | rpc: be warned, you can break stuff doing that, not recommended for a critical server |
| 11:41.54 | chin1 | teledyn__: what are you talking about ? |
| 11:41.56 | rpc | and i ended up in a few hours run that is going to ruin my system |
| 11:42.17 | rpc | liable so you don't recommend doing that |
| 11:42.33 | zimnyx | On backports.org php5 is available, but it uses old mysql4.1 client. Connections to mysql5 are not supported. Do you know some other backports? |
| 11:42.35 | heh_v_water | rpc, the only way all that stuff is going to work well is to move to testing.. not so sure thats what you want to do |
| 11:42.41 | chin1 | teledyn__: i just said i dont want that cheap router in front of me |
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| 11:42.45 | liable | rpc: if its your personal box and you wont cry if it breaks, sure :) |
| 11:42.51 | teledyn__ | chin1: ok i guess it doesn't matter. |
| 11:42.55 | rpc | heh_v_water definetly not :( |
| 11:43.17 | rpc | liable how come the amuled guy is so stupid to force people to use testing |
| 11:43.31 | rpc | while he could just make it libwx 2.4 based |
| 11:43.38 | rpc | i don't get it |
| 11:43.41 | chin1 | teledyn__: the whole network is running fine i just dont feel like taking out my wireless card and plugging it into another isolated box and everyone is sleeping so i cant go use another wirless pc i just wanted to know if i could use ping and some type of route to test the wireless |
| 11:43.44 | teledyn__ | chin1: so you secified the masquerade boxes internal interface as the default gw on the AP, which the wireless dhcp clients should pick up? |
| 11:43.44 | liable | !tell rpc about simple sid backport |
| 11:43.51 | rpc | hm |
| 11:44.01 | liable | rpc: try that one, substitute sid for testing |
| 11:44.10 | berzerka | i have problems setting my domainname. i have no fully qualified one and want to set it to local. would i just put 'hostname.domainname' in /etc/hostname? because if i do, i also get the domainname in the shell prompt and cupsd seems to be hanging at startup. |
| 11:44.13 | liable | err, vice versa :) |
| 11:44.19 | teledyn__ | chin1: without seeing your routing table its hard for me to know |
| 11:44.23 | chin1 | teledyn__: everything behind the wirless router is gonna use it as a gateway and dns |
| 11:44.29 | rpc | liable thanks, that looks good but still i'm scared |
| 11:44.32 | heh_v_water | rpc, you have to understand how the debian releases work.. apparently that was not available or non-complient when sarge went stable.. when debian goes stable, no new packages are added until the next stable release.. they are only updated for security |
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| 11:44.52 | enouf | rpc: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html and http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 11:44.52 | liable | rpc: is it not in backports.org? |
| 11:44.56 | teledyn__ | chin1: so tcpdump on the masquerade box and send some traffic through a wireless client outbound |
| 11:44.58 | chin1 | http://pastie.caboo.se/25044 |
| 11:45.05 | rpc | heh_v_water i read you |
| 11:45.09 | rpc | liable checking |
| 11:45.26 | heh_v_water | backports is probably the best way to do it |
| 11:45.31 | chin1 | that my point i dont have access to one righ tnow but i do have a wireless card on my main router and i wnated to see if i could send a packet through it but since my default gateway is set to the cable modem i cant change it |
| 11:45.44 | rpc | and if someone wants to find out what i'm doing please read here: http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/HowTo_Compile_aMuled <--- "simply install 2.6.0" lol |
| 11:45.50 | rpc | that guy is crazy imho |
| 11:46.18 | amphi | rpc: 2.6.0 what? |
| 11:46.23 | teledyn__ | chin1: ah you have 2 internal interfaces |
| 11:46.24 | rpc | i will try with backports even if i'm not really sure if i can do it |
| 11:46.32 | rpc | amphi libwxgtk |
| 11:46.38 | amphi | rpc: ah |
| 11:46.50 | rpc | it was meant to be a 5 mins job :/ |
| 11:46.54 | chin1 | teledyn__: yes eth2 is a wireless card hooked up to the wireless net which round robbins bakc to the same box on eth1 to reach the internet via eth0 lol |
| 11:46.58 | rpc | i spent 2 hours and still no banana |
| 11:46.58 | chin1 | i just want to test |
| 11:47.03 | liable | rpc: sarge is quite old now, most other distros prolly have 2.6 |
| 11:47.06 | amphi | rpc: why do you need to use wxcrap? |
| 11:47.18 | teledyn__ | chin1: well did you set your masquerading rule for eth1 as the internal? |
| 11:47.19 | rpc | amphi the amuled daemon needs that |
| 11:47.24 | rpc | liable mhm |
| 11:47.32 | rpc | liable in fact.. could be |
| 11:47.43 | chin1 | teledyn__: yes its working fine from the 2 boxes i have here next to me on eth2 switch |
| 11:47.45 | amphi | rpc: a daemon needs a widget toolkit library? uhuh ;) |
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| 11:47.53 | rpc | amphi don't ask me :) |
| 11:47.56 | chin1 | thats the same switch the router is hooked up to |
| 11:47.59 | chin1 | wireless one |
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| 11:48.05 | rpc | amphi i don't get it myself |
| 11:48.07 | chin1 | so it should be working |
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| 11:48.08 | teledyn__ | chin1: wait. what is eth2 switch? i thought eth2 was a wireless card? |
| 11:48.11 | chin1 | but i have no way to test |
| 11:48.18 | chin1 | eth1 is the wireless card |
| 11:48.18 | amphi | rpc: why not use something sensible for what you're tryiing to do? ;) |
| 11:48.22 | chin1 | eth0 is the cable modem |
| 11:48.25 | enouf | rpc: newbs are encouraged to use Stable at first ..well , cause it's stable :-) .. |
| 11:48.31 | chin1 | eth2 is the switch that the wirless router is hooked up |
| 11:48.37 | rpc | enouf yeah |
| 11:48.37 | liable | chin1: i havent been following, but you just want to do masquerading? |
| 11:48.44 | rpc | amphi there is no other choice |
| 11:48.51 | chin1 | liable: no thats working fine |
| 11:48.59 | liable | ok |
| 11:49.11 | teledyn__ | chin1: a minute ago you said eth2 was a wireless card. now its a switch. you should make a dia diagram of your net. |
| 11:49.14 | chin1 | i just want to point through a differne't lan card and reach the internet but i have no way to tell it what gateway to use |
| 11:49.18 | enouf | rpc: but many newbs also wanrt the latest and greates stuff .. not to mention eye-candy .. |
| 11:49.19 | rpc | amphi i wanted to run amule in console so bad... there is a nice daemon amuled and it seemed to take a little while to compile/run it |
| 11:49.23 | amphi | rpc: ok - I have no idea what this amuled does |
| 11:49.28 | chin1 | teledyn__: lol you mtf |
| 11:49.30 | chin1 | fine |
| 11:49.40 | teledyn__ | chin1: what is plugged into the uplink port of switch? and what is plugged into the other ports? |
| 11:49.52 | rpc | amphi it connects to a p2p network (just stating clearly: i dont do warez) |
| 11:49.57 | chin1 | ill draw a picture |
| 11:50.04 | rpc | enouf he he |
| 11:50.14 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me do something like dpkg -x *.deb? |
| 11:50.20 | teledyn__ | chin1: try dia - a good program for making diagrams. |
| 11:50.21 | enouf | rpc: so Etch (atleast) may be required .. or do the Reading and really get to know how your system works .. so you can fix it when you break it |
| 11:50.25 | amphi | rpc: uhuh - I've only used bt myself |
| 11:50.31 | liable | CharminTheMoose: why not? |
| 11:50.45 | rpc | amphi did you try the bt client for console? it rocks :) |
| 11:50.51 | chin1 | yes i know but it has no good stencils like in visio 97 |
| 11:51.02 | amphi | rpc: I use rtorrent, which seems to work well |
| 11:51.06 | rpc | yeah |
| 11:51.16 | rpc | so i wanted similar thing for ed2k network |
| 11:51.18 | rpc | and that's amuled |
| 11:51.30 | chin1 | teledyn__: can you download a bunch of networking stencils for it ? |
| 11:51.35 | amphi | rpc: except wxgtk is not ncurses ;) |
| 11:51.35 | liable | backports has rtorrent |
| 11:51.38 | rpc | not anymore.. i don't want to break up the whole system nor spend weeks fixing it |
| 11:51.43 | teledyn__ | chin1: it has a lot of preset ones |
| 11:51.46 | heh_v_water | rpc, have you ever looked into the mutella client? |
| 11:51.55 | chin1 | not for networking |
| 11:51.58 | rpc | amphi the funny thing is that it won't make any use of that wx shit... you just control it remotely via http |
| 11:52.03 | teledyn__ | chin1: not a lot, no |
| 11:52.08 | rpc | still wx is needed to compile |
| 11:52.10 | teledyn__ | chin1: just basic ones |
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| 11:52.16 | rpc | heh_v_water hmm nope?? |
| 11:52.31 | rpc | heh_v_water i guess i should? |
| 11:52.31 | heh_v_water | rpc, mutella is a daemon that you control remotely via http |
| 11:52.39 | chin1 | im a networker by the way so i know whats going on |
| 11:52.42 | rpc | heh_v_water that's what i want but for ed2k network |
| 11:52.45 | amphi | rpc: curious - there's no configure option to do without the wxgtk stuff? |
| 11:53.11 | rpc | amphi not sure but i bet no |
| 11:53.12 | heh_v_water | rpc, see if sarge offer mldonkey |
| 11:53.12 | teledyn__ | chin1: i just don't know what's in your uplink port |
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| 11:53.22 | chin1 | nothing its just a switch |
| 11:53.46 | chin1 | the wireless router has a static ip for the gateway |
| 11:53.49 | heh_v_water | rpc, mldonkey is a daemon also you just use a client from windows/linux to run it |
| 11:54.00 | rpc | heh_v_water it does... but that's in KDE and not console |
| 11:54.25 | rpc | or hm you mean it's possible to run it as daemon and control over http? |
| 11:54.38 | heh_v_water | rpc, control it from a remote client |
| 11:54.43 | rpc | mhm |
| 11:54.46 | rsk | 1990 |
| 11:55.04 | rpc | it's very old though... most likely won't work well |
| 11:55.26 | rpc | while amule is very popular and secure |
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| 11:55.41 | teledyn__ | chin1: the wireless router is plugged into the switch. that static ip that the AP uses - that is either eth1 or eth2 on the same switch? |
| 11:56.01 | chin1 | what |
| 11:56.06 | heh_v_water | rpc, i have it on here using etch, i do know mldonkey does work as far as well.. that would be something you'd have to figure out |
| 11:56.08 | liable | @wb |
| 11:56.09 | ravenbird | thanks, liable. It's good to be back. |
| 11:56.09 | chin1 | eth2 on the linux box |
| 11:56.16 | chin1 | im not naming ports on the switch lol |
| 11:56.44 | rpc | heh_v_water i appreciate your hint - will try it most likely |
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| 11:56.57 | teledyn__ | chin1: and other non-wireless clients plugged into switch can gw out through eth2 ok? |
| 11:57.12 | chin1 | yep |
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| 11:57.56 | chidalgo | hola |
| 11:58.09 | teledyn__ | chin1: i see. and the default route that the AP assigns to clients - is that the IP of the AP itself? |
| 11:58.21 | chin1 | http://chino.homelinux.org/~daquino/network.png |
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| 11:58.28 | chin1 | yep |
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| 11:59.05 | teledyn__ | chin1: can wireless clients ping any other address on the eth2 subnet? |
| 11:59.25 | rpc | heh_v_water wow, look at this: http://people.debian.org/~adeodato/packages/amule-sarge/ |
| 11:59.36 | rpc | amphi and you too :) |
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| 11:59.44 | chin1 | have too i can connect to the wireless router via eth1 and ping my brothers laptop and the wireless router |
| 11:59.47 | rpc | and perhaps liable also :) |
| 11:59.55 | chin1 | eth1 is on the wireless net |
| 11:59.56 | teledyn__ | chin1: whoa |
| 12:00.04 | chin1 | i just cant play with the default gw |
| 12:00.15 | chin1 | unless i pull out eth1 and put it into another one of my pc's to test |
| 12:00.16 | heh_v_water | rpc, thats worth a shot probably |
| 12:00.16 | teledyn__ | chin1: i see your diagram. no wonder i had no idea wtf your setup was |
| 12:00.24 | rpc | heh_v_water i hope so :) |
| 12:00.25 | chin1 | lol |
| 12:00.31 | liable | rpc: why do i want to look at it? if it fixes your problem, great. |
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| 12:00.52 | rpc | liable i got a bit too excited with that search result, sorry |
| 12:00.54 | chin1 | teledyn__: hang on a second |
| 12:01.09 | teledyn__ | chin1: hold on. let me read your routing table again now that i can see this. |
| 12:01.10 | liable | rpc: heh, np |
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| 12:01.19 | rpc | it jsut says about backporting wx 2.6... so that's what you recommended and you were right |
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| 12:01.32 | rpc | someone just did it all before saving me some hard work probably |
| 12:01.34 | teledyn__ | chin1: this is easy |
| 12:02.22 | teledyn__ | chin1: if you just want to test connectivity, just add a net route or even a host route for something like yahoo.com and then try to connect via eth1 |
| 12:02.37 | chin1 | teledyn__: refresh the image |
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| 12:02.48 | chin1 | how ? |
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| 12:02.54 | teledyn__ | oh wait though - is this going to be right? because i think you get a loop here |
| 12:03.12 | lastnode | does dh_pysupport do the 'debianization' of a python source dir, or do i have to run dh_make first |
| 12:03.38 | chin1 | teledyn__: shouldn't i be able to specify a gateway for the specific network though ? |
| 12:03.49 | teledyn__ | when you add the net route then i don't know how the traffic would ever know to go out through the default route. you could only see if it gets through the AP through eth1, but it won't actually go out |
| 12:03.53 | dm_ | Hello. I want to crop a small area from a .ps or .pdf file and save as a new gs/pdf. The package pdftk doesn't seem to support this. Where can I find some info about those operations? Does anyone know an irc channel for postscript/ghostscript related things? |
| 12:04.22 | chin1 | teledyn__: wha t? |
| 12:04.25 | teledyn__ | chin1: let me think about that a minute |
| 12:05.07 | liable | lastnode: if you dont get help here, try #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 12:05.39 | liable | lastnode: but have a read of the docs before you do :) |
| 12:05.52 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 12:05.52 | dpkg | salut, streuner |
| 12:05.59 | lastnode | liable, ive read them thoroughly, but they're all for C |
| 12:06.10 | rpc | Setting up libwxgtk2.6-0 (2.6.1.1bpo1) ... that's incredible... took 3 secs :) |
| 12:06.22 | liable | lastnode: the dh_pysupport docs are for C? |
| 12:06.32 | teledyn__ | chin1: i think the best you can do would be to route the test traffic through the AP to eth2, but it won't get out because no, i don't think you can ever have 2 default routes like your thinking |
| 12:06.44 | lastnode | liable, no the dy_pysupport docs are sparse, and the step-by-step is for C |
| 12:06.53 | liable | lastnode: k |
| 12:07.10 | teledyn__ | chin1: but that test should effectively prove if the wireless is working or not |
| 12:07.16 | chin1 | what test ? |
| 12:07.20 | chin1 | the wireless is working fine |
| 12:07.22 | liable | guess you couls always just try.. |
| 12:07.30 | chin1 | i just dont know if its accessing the internet |
| 12:07.39 | teledyn__ | chin1: add a static route (either for a host or a net) using eth1 as the gw |
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| 12:07.49 | heh_v_water | chin1, what would be the purpose of doing this? just for fun? |
| 12:07.53 | liable | streuner: hola |
| 12:08.03 | teledyn__ | chin1: sorry - not eth1 - but the AP's gw address |
| 12:08.12 | chin1 | heh_v_water: i dont want to pull out my wireless card and i dont have access to another machine with wirless righ tnow |
| 12:08.21 | chin1 | ok ill try |
| 12:09.24 | chin1 | wtf nslookup and dig dotn tell me netmasks |
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| 12:09.47 | teledyn__ | chin1: basically you say "i want all traffic to this IP to go to the AP gw" when the AP gets it it will send it through eth1 at which point tcpdump should pick it up |
| 12:10.18 | chin1 | hm |
| 12:10.20 | chin1 | its not working |
| 12:10.42 | chin1 | route add -host 64.233.187.99 gw 192.168.1.1 eth1 |
| 12:10.58 | teledyn__ | chin1: as i said the syntax is wrong. leave off eth1 at the end |
| 12:11.02 | liable | err, is that valid? |
| 12:11.24 | chin1 | i dont think it mattered but its still not working |
| 12:12.11 | heh_v_water | yah because when the packet hits back to your linux machine it's gonna use that route |
| 12:12.20 | chin1 | oh duh |
| 12:12.25 | chin1 | loop! |
| 12:12.29 | heh_v_water | right |
| 12:12.39 | chin1 | hah wtf ping should give me a flag for it |
| 12:12.47 | heh_v_water | i think you could pull something off using iptables maybe |
| 12:12.51 | chin1 | cant i use a packet crafter or something |
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| 12:13.33 | teledyn__ | what about creating a dummy interface and use that to route to? |
| 12:13.42 | chin1 | what |
| 12:13.48 | heh_v_water | a loopback |
| 12:13.59 | geo-rge | chin1: it looks like you are setting up masq? |
| 12:14.11 | teledyn__ | yes or a dummy one. all packets going to a dummy one just vanish |
| 12:14.37 | teledyn__ | you could set up a dummy interface with an address on the eth2 subnet |
| 12:14.41 | heh_v_water | I wonder if rip or something liek that would handle that.. |
| 12:14.58 | teledyn__ | then add the host route that routes to that address through the AP gw address |
| 12:16.16 | teledyn__ | modprobe dummy; ifconfig dummy0 192.168.0.250 ... |
| 12:16.43 | chin1 | i think im screwed |
| 12:16.54 | teledyn__ | route add -host 192.168.0.250 gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:17.21 | geo-rge | does that even mean what you want? |
| 12:17.23 | chin1 | wtf is that |
| 12:17.28 | teledyn__ | then telnet to .250 and tcpdump on eth2 for it |
| 12:18.04 | chin1 | wouldn't that just keep sending the packet back out eth1 when it came from eth2 |
| 12:18.41 | teledyn__ | it would arrive at eth2 but eth2 doesn't know about the gw on the AP |
| 12:18.50 | chin1 | ah fuck it |
| 12:18.57 | chin1 | your confusing me now |
| 12:18.58 | teledyn__ | how does eth2 know how to get to 192.168.1.1? |
| 12:18.58 | chin1 | lol |
| 12:19.02 | geo-rge | someone running linux-2.6_2.6.18-5~bpo.1 has its .config? |
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| 12:19.11 | chin1 | it doens't |
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| 12:19.29 | chin1 | you know what i want to know |
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| 12:19.45 | teledyn__ | chin1: so there you go |
| 12:19.48 | dm_ | Trying to crop a ps/pdf file I found the pkg "flpsed" but that doesn't support such. Does anyone know another pkg that can edit ps? |
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| 12:20.10 | chin1 | comerical routers have a dmz switch which basically just before a packet is about to hit the floor they get forwarded to a default host.... how can i do that in linux ? since i cant use the DNAT jump through the INPUT chain ? |
| 12:20.18 | evo_ | imagemagic? |
| 12:20.24 | chin1 | teledyn__: i dont remember understand what you meant |
| 12:21.05 | chin1 | imagemagick |
| 12:21.06 | dm_ | evo_: No I don't think that you get ps data out of IM ... |
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| 12:21.49 | LinuxHelp | !bootsplash |
| 12:21.49 | dpkg | hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 12:22.15 | heh_v_water | chin1, a DMZ is just like forwarding all packets to a host.. you would just create a forward with iptables that said all incoming goes to this host |
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| 12:23.14 | liable | LinuxHelp: you can /msg dpkg bootsplash (to save the whole channel reading your questions) |
| 12:23.33 | chin1 | teledyn__: you just gave me an idea.... couldn't i just do "ping -I eth1 192.168.0.1" since 192.168.0.1 is the gw of eth0 hence the gw of the wireless router as well |
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| 12:24.25 | LinuxHelp | liable, you gotta love the attitude in #debian |
| 12:24.35 | chin1 | heh_v_water: but in comerical routers that is only done after all port forwarding and such and the only way to port forward is through the nat tables PREROUTING chain and if i do that then "all" packets will go to that host before they ever reach the INPUT chain which is bad |
| 12:24.47 | liable | LinuxHelp: why do you say that? |
| 12:25.12 | chin1 | teledyn__: duh im stupid that still has the same issuse |
| 12:25.25 | pingouin | what apps can i use to make graphics from data files in debian ? (for instance some data of heat or humidity) the more easily ? |
| 12:25.32 | LinuxHelp | liable, people are actually so nasty its funny |
| 12:25.32 | teledyn__ | chin1: i think the way i mentioned with the dummy interface might be best |
| 12:25.55 | teledyn__ | chin1: but really you're creating a whole lot of headache over a small test. get another box to test with :-) |
| 12:26.08 | liable | LinuxHelp: are you calling me a prick for saying that to you? |
| 12:26.27 | heh_v_water | chin1, i think in the time you've spent here trying to build a routing loop, you could have pulled the card, dropped it into something and tested |
| 12:26.28 | chin1 | teledyn__: can you show me a quick paste of your commands for the dummy cuase i didnt' understand it |
| 12:26.32 | possie | i just cleared some space on my filesystem, however 'df' doesn't show the cleared space, i tried 'sync; sync; sync' however this din't help either, anyone have an idea what could be wrong? |
| 12:26.33 | LinuxHelp | liable, do I *really* have to spell it out? |
| 12:26.36 | teledyn__ | chin1: i love my zaurus for small things like that :-) |
| 12:26.44 | chin1 | yea but im not shuting down my box |
| 12:26.55 | teledyn__ | chin1: you know what a dummy interface is? |
| 12:27.01 | chin1 | its fake ? |
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| 12:27.13 | teledyn__ | chin1: yes. and all packets going to it just get dumped |
| 12:27.20 | heh_v_water | teledyn__, exactly i just my palm lifedrive for that stuff ;) |
| 12:27.38 | teledyn__ | chin1: its useful for testing when you just want to send traffic somewhere and see if its flowing through different points |
| 12:27.53 | chin1 | it works! |
| 12:27.55 | chin1 | i just proved it! |
| 12:27.56 | enouf | LinuxHelp: can you imagine 50+ ppl doing what you did? at the same time? ... use your head man |
| 12:28.01 | chin1 | ping -I eth1 -r 192.168.1.1 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:28.05 | chin1 | -r gives it a route |
| 12:28.07 | liable | LinuxHelp: it was supposed to be a help for you *and* us, so we dont have to put up with people asking the bot for things that they can /msg it. if you think thats being arrogant, then you can go fuck yourself asshole *plonk* |
| 12:28.08 | chin1 | read the man page |
| 12:28.12 | teledyn__ | heh_v_water: :-) |
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| 12:28.23 | enouf | LinuxHelp: it's bad enought when 1 person starts messaging the bot in public for multiple factoids |
| 12:28.27 | LinuxHelp | rofl |
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| 12:28.56 | chin1 | hm i cant ping internet though |
| 12:29.14 | enouf | LinuxHelp: I'm still quite happy :-) |
| 12:29.47 | chin1 | wtf i s 1.137.7.4 |
| 12:31.21 | chin1 | i gues its not working i have no idea whats responding to this ping |
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| 12:32.10 | chin1 | cant i setup the wireless router as a pass through |
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| 12:38.01 | chin1 | dudh |
| 12:38.04 | chin1 | im an idiot |
| 12:38.13 | chin1 | there is a ping test on the wireless router |
| 12:38.18 | chin1 | lol |
| 12:38.37 | chin1 | teledyn__: |
| 12:39.48 | teledyn__ | chin1: there you go |
| 12:40.04 | chin1 | i do have one issue though |
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| 12:48.23 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:48.23 | dpkg | i guess qotd89 is <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
| 12:48.48 | rpc | help :( libwxgtk2.6-dev: Depends: libwxbase2.6-dev (= 2.6.3.2.0bpo1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:48.54 | rpc | i'm going to die today... |
| 12:49.19 | rpc | what a bugger, i did all the work but that one just won't install, why?! |
| 12:49.35 | liable | rpc: how did you get the libwxgtk2-dev? |
| 12:49.53 | cydork | rpc: did you use bpo? |
| 12:49.56 | rpc | i added a location to my sources.list that contained the backport for sarge |
| 12:50.07 | PuckCh | I'm trying to run eclipse 3.2.1 from experimental, but I have always the following error: ... libswt-mozilla-gtk-3235.so: undefined symbol: NS_InitEmbedding |
| 12:50.09 | rpc | cydork honestly.. i don't know what's bpo |
| 12:50.13 | PuckCh | is this a known problem ? |
| 12:51.25 | rpc | apt-get install libwxbase2.6-dev says that there are 4 deps... but it also says that they won't be installed... i don't get it :( |
| 12:51.26 | liable | PuckCh: hehe, you use an experimental package and ask why its broken? :P |
| 12:51.34 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:51.44 | rpc | so i installed them manually, using dpkg |
| 12:51.56 | rpc | but -dev still won't install, i'm exhausted |
| 12:52.09 | PuckCh | liable: I don't ask why it is broken, but if there is a workaround. ;) |
| 12:53.52 | liable | PuckCh: didnt the new eclipse recently make it to sid? |
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| 12:55.26 | PuckCh | liable: i have see that eclipse 3.1.2 is in sid. But I'm new to eclipse, and I was thinking of taking the most recent version |
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| 12:56.40 | rpc | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 12:57.04 | rpc | if something can go wrong it surely will here |
| 12:57.07 | liable | PuckCh: ok |
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| 12:57.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I built a kernel the debian way the other day. I noticed a few errors so I recompiled the exact same version of the kernel. How do I go about installing it? The previous compile is already installed and I'm using it right now. Do I just do dpkg -i and ignore the warning? |
| 12:58.12 | Habbie | what's the warning? |
| 12:58.19 | PuckCh | liable: but you're right... experimental is wel... experimental. I will try with official download from eclipse web site |
| 12:58.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Habbie: Hold on, pasting on pastebin |
| 12:58.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Habbie: http://pastebin.ca/262346 |
| 12:59.59 | Habbie | hmm, that's a bit weird :) |
| 13:00.06 | cyzie | how do i check whether my current sata disk partition is in primary or extended |
| 13:00.06 | cyzie | ? |
| 13:00.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks, I truly had not figured that out :) |
| 13:00.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Habbie: So what do you think? |
| 13:00.25 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: use --version next time |
| 13:00.26 | Habbie | sorry ;) |
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| 13:00.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: what do you mean? |
| 13:00.35 | Habbie | i think liable's suggestion is fine |
| 13:01.01 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: best advice (safest) is to boot into an old kernel, remove the previous installed one, then install the new deb |
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| 13:01.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Ah. Thanks :) |
| 13:01.30 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: it is giving that warning because its trying to overwrite an exact copy of what you have |
| 13:01.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I knew that. I just wondered if it would spork up my system since I was running it right now. |
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| 13:02.12 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: if you use --version (or the other that i forget) in kpkg, it gives you a different /lib/modules dir, and you wont get that warning |
| 13:02.18 | heh_v_water | i dont even think changing it while running it would hurt to be honest you just need to reboot is all |
| 13:02.31 | heh_v_water | but dont take my advice |
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| 13:03.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: I'll just reboot into an older kernel and do what you previously suggested. :) |
| 13:03.23 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: it can fuxor it, i tried it once, and it wrecked my filesystem, though it makes absolutely no sense (software raid) and other times i have done it without problems |
| 13:03.39 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: thats the best bet :) |
| 13:03.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: :) |
| 13:04.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wow...filesystem? Sounds like it was running Windows or something. Punch the stomach and the leg hurts. |
| 13:04.48 | liable | it was a bit weird, but it was software raid, and ended up in a reinstall :( |
| 13:05.03 | arunkumaran | hello friends |
| 13:05.11 | liable | after a thousand boots and fscks |
| 13:05.57 | arunkumaran | i am a home use and would like to switch to debain... |
| 13:06.13 | arunkumaran | would u advice me to wait for version 4.0 or download 3.1r3 |
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| 13:06.56 | rpc | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_media-2.6.so.0.3.1' <---while this thing doesn't exist... what should i do? |
| 13:06.58 | DaveyB_ | Does anyone know why shred doesn't remove directorys? |
| 13:07.02 | rpc | apt-get fails because of that... |
| 13:07.03 | liable | arunkumaran: for a new user, install 3.1, then you will be a little used to it by the time it comes around to upgrade to 4.0 |
| 13:07.38 | liable | rpc: it says which package owns that old file? |
| 13:07.56 | liable | rpc: you can install the package with dpkg --force-overwrite |
| 13:08.01 | rpc | liable yes, it says "which is also in package libwxgtk2.6-0c102" |
| 13:08.09 | arunkumaran | liable: so i can upgrade to 4.0 and there is no need top re install huh?... |
| 13:08.10 | rpc | i believe that's the correct answer to your question? |
| 13:08.28 | arunkumaran | liable: if its going to come up in a couple of weeks i dont mind waiting |
| 13:08.29 | liable | arunkumaran: nope, once 4.0 is stable, you can just upgrade |
| 13:08.34 | rpc | i will try to force.. 1 sec |
| 13:08.42 | liable | arunkumaran: its quite easy |
| 13:08.47 | rpc | err i was using apt-get |
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| 13:09.21 | rpc | so --force=yes, right? |
| 13:09.37 | liable | rpc: man dpkg |
| 13:09.46 | rpc | i'm not using dpkg this time |
| 13:10.18 | liable | rpc: its harder with apt-get to supply that option, and i dont know the exact syntax, as its a bit weird |
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| 13:10.31 | liable | rpc: just install that one package with dpkg |
| 13:10.35 | rpc | i'm completely lost |
| 13:10.53 | rpc | i don't even know what to install anymore |
| 13:10.59 | rpc | what a crap :( |
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| 13:11.46 | liable | rpc: install that package which is giving the problem, with dpkg. |
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| 13:14.21 | rpc | just did... |
| 13:15.20 | rpc | and i forced another one |
| 13:15.26 | rpc | perhaps that's the way to go |
| 13:15.58 | liable | now try an apt-get -f install and it should pull in the rest |
| 13:16.22 | rpc | got some progress in fact |
| 13:16.32 | rpc | at least i could apt-get something that didn't install before |
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| 13:16.56 | rpc | Setting up amule-daemon (2.1.3-1) ... |
| 13:16.59 | rpc | yes yes yes :) |
| 13:17.00 | liable | rpc: you need to get your apt foo happening :) |
| 13:17.11 | rpc | oh there is alot of foo :) |
| 13:17.24 | rpc | liable, i think we finally made it |
| 13:17.45 | rpc | the magic word was --force-overwrite for 2 packages |
| 13:17.47 | liable | rpc: cool |
| 13:17.52 | rpc | and i do thank you for this |
| 13:18.02 | rpc | it was going in a mad circle before |
| 13:18.10 | liable | the bill is in the post :P |
| 13:18.14 | rpc | couldn't install because of deps and they couldn't get solved and so on and on |
| 13:18.17 | rpc | lol ok |
| 13:18.44 | rpc | so i grabbed two debs manually and forced them... then the apt-get worked finally |
| 13:18.59 | rpc | hell knows WHY it all happened |
| 13:19.18 | rpc | thanks so much.. i would never find out myself |
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| 13:20.02 | rpc | ListenSocket: Ok. |
| 13:20.05 | rpc | yay :) |
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| 13:20.20 | rpc | and now i'm too tired to play with it damn |
| 13:20.23 | factor | has anyone worked with pthreads on unstable debian. I cant get the simplest example to work |
| 13:20.25 | cyzie | hello, i have a new sata disk, how do i add into the system? |
| 13:20.26 | liable | heh |
| 13:20.34 | rpc | 5 hours |
| 13:21.16 | liable | cyzie: if the kernel sees it, just add it to fstab, after partitioning it with fdisk/cfdisk and making a fs on it |
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| 13:24.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | The new kernel seems to be working allright. :) |
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| 13:30.39 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: there was a way to make a sorta-package that was only to satisfy a given requeriment. Installing qmail from source and because of that must remove exim, but will lose the mailer-daemon dependency and with it some other programs. What was the name again? |
| 13:31.05 | oOGneaOo | Jimmymaniac: why install qmail from source? |
| 13:31.28 | Ronin | no choice in debian iirc oOGneaOo |
| 13:31.40 | vin` | Jimmymaniac: equivs |
| 13:31.44 | Ronin | equivs |
| 13:31.46 | Ronin | doh |
| 13:31.49 | Jimmymaniac | installing dqd: http://dqd.sourceforge.net <-- this is a small qmail "distro" with some niceties |
| 13:31.56 | Jimmymaniac | ah, equivs, thanks |
| 13:32.35 | liable | why would installing a source package remove exim? |
| 13:32.48 | Jimmymaniac | liable: no, i must remove exim because it gets on the way |
| 13:32.59 | oOGneaOo | yeah, equivs is what you want |
| 13:33.02 | liable | fair enough |
| 13:33.04 | oOGneaOo | Ronin: qmail-src |
| 13:33.10 | DoppleGanger | onceyou compile qmail binary and install the deb your mta deb will be solved |
| 13:33.13 | Ronin | still by source :) |
| 13:33.30 | oOGneaOo | it's still the proper solution :) |
| 13:33.46 | Ronin | true |
| 13:33.51 | Jimmymaniac | DoppleGanger: i'm not installing from the qmail-src deb, i'm installing from the "distro" i mentioned, so i must appease the deb database by hand :) |
| 13:34.07 | DoppleGanger | make a fake package |
| 13:34.23 | oOGneaOo | Jimmymaniac: my question is, and I'm sorry for not clarifying the first time, why not use the qmail-src? |
| 13:34.26 | Jimmymaniac | DoppleGanger: yeah, that's why i was asking for equivs, had forgotten the name |
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| 13:34.41 | DoppleGanger | doh my bad, i need to wake up |
| 13:34.56 | oOGneaOo | !coffee |
| 13:34.57 | dpkg | [coffee] the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 13:35.16 | DoppleGanger | thank oOGneaOo |
| 13:35.23 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 13:35.42 | oOGneaOo | yay, one more day |
| 13:35.44 | Jimmymaniac | heh |
| 13:35.54 | liable | bah, beer i tells ya! |
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| 13:36.23 | Jimmymaniac | i wish there was an easy way to take the qmail-src package and use the dqd package instead |
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| 13:36.36 | DoppleGanger | if only friday could come quicker, i guess i will have to settle for hiding in the office and watching dvds all day today |
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| 13:36.57 | itchi | !beer liable |
| 13:36.59 | itchi | hehe |
| 13:38.10 | liable | woohoo |
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| 13:39.02 | oOGneaOo | wow, i actually have a decently functioning desktop that looks nice and integrates debian menus perfectly |
| 13:39.55 | liable | still using e? |
| 13:39.59 | tarzeau | oOGneaOo: gnome? |
| 13:40.02 | oOGneaOo | E17 |
| 13:40.04 | cahoot | gnome obviously |
| 13:40.09 | oOGneaOo | the latest cvs is pretty slick |
| 13:40.13 | oOGneaOo | fuck that gnome crap |
| 13:40.17 | Jimmymaniac | heh |
| 13:40.24 | rpc | liable sorry to disturb you again.. just wanted to say how much i appreciate your help, setup everything and it works so nicely i won't sleep till saturday probably :) |
| 13:40.25 | tarzeau | mine's perfect too: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 13:40.35 | oOGneaOo | http://www0.get-e.org/ |
| 13:40.50 | rpc | liable it was that damn --force shit that i was looking for... making blind steps for half a day |
| 13:40.54 | liable | rpc: nice, have fun :) |
| 13:41.08 | oOGneaOo | tarzeau: does it update menus with debian menu information on-the-fly at a whim? |
| 13:41.10 | rpc | liable so much fun |
| 13:41.21 | liable | oOGneaOo: no cube!?!? lolz |
| 13:41.23 | h3sp4wn | e17 is great for me (only one minor bug that is only important once a day but can be worked around) |
| 13:41.32 | liable | though it *is* pretty |
| 13:41.38 | oOGneaOo | liable: cube? |
| 13:41.58 | liable | oOGneaOo: get with the times dude. compizzle! |
| 13:41.58 | tarzeau | oOGneaOo: sure |
| 13:42.20 | Kerr | dpkg: e17 |
| 13:42.20 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 13:42.23 | Kerr | dpkg: dr17 |
| 13:42.24 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 13:42.29 | Kerr | what's all that about O.o |
| 13:42.33 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: have you seen the new themes? there aren't many right now though... |
| 13:43.11 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: I have tried them (the issue exists in all of them except the bright white one and my eyes cannot handle that) |
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| 13:44.02 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: what's the issue, exactly? |
| 13:44.26 | oOGneaOo | fluxbox is tight |
| 13:44.40 | DerJamster | OpenBox! |
| 13:44.45 | oOGneaOo | :D |
| 13:44.47 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: Just my xterm window not maximising right (I have to do it manually) - it has been like this since they made the default borders bigger |
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| 13:45.14 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: that's an adjustable thing in the configuration these days, you know |
| 13:45.15 | Jimmymaniac | the shadoi address fails |
| 13:45.36 | oOGneaOo | oi |
| 13:45.43 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: I have never found where is it an enlightenment_remote command ? |
| 13:46.32 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: left-click on desktop->configuration->configuration panel->borders |
| 13:46.55 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: what version of e17 do you have? |
| 13:47.06 | h3sp4wn | cvs from a few days ago |
| 13:47.09 | oOGneaOo | i'm on 0.16.999.036 |
| 13:47.14 | oOGneaOo | yeah, mine's about a week old |
| 13:47.33 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: using the default theme? |
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| 13:48.23 | h3sp4wn | Darkness - but it exists with the default one as well |
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| 13:48.56 | Jimmymaniac | i hope they finish E17 soon, it looks like it'll be great, and not too heavy on the resources |
| 13:49.05 | oOGneaOo | i'm using darkness - they covered everything, including an icon theme with translucency |
| 13:49.16 | Hoxzer | LOng long time ago |
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| 13:50.07 | teledyn__ | Jimmymaniac: i just apt-got e16 the other day but haven't switched yet. the only thing i wish it could do is full screen apps but have room at the edge for epplets |
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| 13:50.29 | h3sp4wn | I think it is genuinely a bug (even if I select just a pixel for borders it still requires me to manually set it with the mouse) |
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| 13:52.55 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: If you start an xterm using a font size of XTerm*font: 9x15 then you will see the bug (just try maximising the xterm) |
| 13:52.56 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: weird, it fullscreens just fine here |
| 13:53.04 | oOGneaOo | ah ok |
| 13:53.24 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: that changing the font via xterm -fn or via the E config? |
| 13:53.43 | h3sp4wn | by xterm -fn (I use .Xdefaults) |
| 13:54.21 | oOGneaOo | ok |
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| 13:55.28 | mozillaman | I have a problem with setting up 802.11g/WEP on a debian distro'ed box. |
| 13:55.31 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: like that? Xterm*font: 9x15 |
| 13:55.40 | mozillaman | iwconfig shows single level and link quality |
| 13:55.46 | mozillaman | but, I'm not connected |
| 13:55.51 | mozillaman | and pings don't work :( |
| 13:55.58 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: what interfaces show up with ip a? |
| 13:55.58 | mozillaman | It's wlan0 device |
| 13:56.08 | oOGneaOo | wifi0 and wlan0? |
| 13:56.12 | mozillaman | lo |
| 13:56.14 | mozillaman | wlan0 |
| 13:56.16 | mozillaman | and |
| 13:56.17 | mozillaman | sit0 |
| 13:56.39 | oOGneaOo | did you setup the interfaces file right? |
| 13:56.44 | oOGneaOo | !interfaces |
| 13:56.44 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 13:56.48 | liable | mozillaman: what exactly have you tried? |
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| 13:56.56 | mozillaman | I've: |
| 13:57.01 | Zap-W | what's the difference between rsh and ssh? |
| 13:57.06 | mozillaman | Used the example config from the driver's site |
| 13:57.20 | oOGneaOo | Zap-W: ssh is secure, rsh is not. |
| 13:57.21 | liable | mozillaman: a realteck or something? |
| 13:57.24 | mozillaman | Used a network tool that came with the distro (it just crashed...) |
| 13:57.31 | mozillaman | ZD1211 |
| 13:57.33 | DerJamster | Zap-W: ssh's encrypted, rsh is not. |
| 13:57.37 | Zap-W | oOGneaOo, that's the only difference? |
| 13:57.38 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: xterm -fn 9x15 |
| 13:57.39 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: using dhcp? |
| 13:57.43 | mozillaman | Indeed |
| 13:57.50 | oOGneaOo | Zap-W: basically... oh, and they use different port |
| 13:57.52 | oOGneaOo | +s |
| 13:57.58 | mozillaman | It's pinging DHCP, but never gets a responce |
| 13:58.13 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere? |
| 13:58.15 | oOGneaOo | !pastebin |
| 13:58.15 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 13:58.18 | Zap-W | oOGneaOo, does rsh provide me with a login shell? |
| 13:58.21 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: it just doesn't snap to the status bar or quite fill the screen but its not that important |
| 13:58.27 | oOGneaOo | Zap-W: i dunno, does it? :) |
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| 13:58.47 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: hrm.. using xorg in sid? |
| 13:58.48 | mozillaman | oOGneaOo: I think so, I'll put it on a flash drive, then bring it over to my laptop and post....sec... |
| 13:58.56 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: k |
| 13:59.10 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, created mta-local fake deb package, removed exim4 replacing it with the fake one, thanks :) |
| 13:59.22 | oOGneaOo | !beer Jimmymaniac |
| 13:59.35 | DerJamster | Zap-W: really, why use rsh? |
| 13:59.46 | h3sp4wn | oOGneaOo: Yep |
| 14:00.26 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: oh ok, i see it |
| 14:00.33 | oOGneaOo | i get a little gap on the far right |
| 14:00.41 | oOGneaOo | limitation of the font then |
| 14:01.23 | oOGneaOo | even if i do it manually, it does the same thing |
| 14:01.37 | Zap-W | DerJamster, if i dont need encryption ? for a home lan network? |
| 14:01.47 | h3sp4wn | I still get that but it doesn't snap to the statusbar for me here |
| 14:02.00 | oOGneaOo | statusbar? |
| 14:02.24 | h3sp4wn | The bar at the bottom whatever its called |
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| 14:02.37 | h3sp4wn | shelf |
| 14:02.37 | oOGneaOo | ?!?!? |
| 14:02.40 | oOGneaOo | oh |
| 14:02.42 | Jimmymaniac | now, shall i install spamassassin as usual, or try out the recent dspam deb on etch... |
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| 14:02.51 | oOGneaOo | wait... what shelf? i switched all mine around heh |
| 14:03.02 | Jimmymaniac | decisions, decisions, decisions :) |
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| 14:03.46 | h3sp4wn | I just use the normal size shelf - 6 virtual desktops and the application switcher (everything else is removed) |
| 14:04.01 | oOGneaOo | sec, i'll send a ss |
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| 14:04.27 | DerJamster | Zap-W: considering how comfortable setting up ssh is, I still don't see why you shouldn't use it. you might as well use telnet. |
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| 14:07.36 | mozillaman | oOGneaOo: http://pastebin.ca/262395 |
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| 14:09.11 | oOGneaOo | h3sp4wn: http://hamncheese.net/~gnea/image/e17-Thu_Nov_30_07-07-27_MST_2006.jpg |
| 14:09.21 | Bhavesh | what's best way to install debian on a USB drive from a computer that is already using debian? |
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| 14:10.09 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: wow, can you get it to work without encryption? |
| 14:10.37 | oOGneaOo | !usb install |
| 14:10.37 | dpkg | it has been said that usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 14:10.46 | rgsteele | Hm...is there a reiserfs equivalent to dumpe2fs? |
| 14:11.10 | oOGneaOo | rgsteele: nafaik... reiserfs has a dump-all feature/bug.. :) |
| 14:11.11 | mozillaman | oOGneaOo: No |
| 14:11.33 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: ok, you should try it without encryption first and go from there - that way you know it at least works |
| 14:11.39 | mozillaman | Well, I could disable encryption, but I don't want too :P |
| 14:11.39 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: sec |
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| 14:11.42 | mozillaman | Ah |
| 14:11.46 | oOGneaOo | see :) |
| 14:12.01 | mozillaman | :P |
| 14:12.07 | liable | mozillaman: is the only problem that wep doesnt work? |
| 14:12.33 | mozillaman | No, it will show single strength, quality, but I can't "get out" |
| 14:12.39 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: try something simple like that: http://pastebin.ca/262401 |
| 14:12.40 | mozillaman | So, I'm not sure what's wrong at this point |
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| 14:12.58 | liable | mozillaman: so even with encryption off, it doesnt work? |
| 14:13.05 | oOGneaOo | liable: he doesn't know yet |
| 14:13.14 | mozillaman | I'm going to try |
| 14:13.17 | mozillaman | I'll brb :) |
| 14:14.34 | oOGneaOo | make sure your ap has the encryption turned off too |
| 14:15.17 | mozillaman | I'm doing that now |
| 14:15.26 | mozillaman | I'll probably bounce for a sec while it reconfigures |
| 14:15.57 | mozillaman | is that bad? |
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| 14:16.05 | mozillaman | Or, are all the channels equally good? |
| 14:16.11 | oOGneaOo | that's fine |
| 14:16.15 | mozillaman | k |
| 14:16.36 | oOGneaOo | best thing to do, though, is to install wifi-radar and see what other wifi clouds are around you |
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| 14:16.38 | mozillaman | brb |
| 14:16.44 | oOGneaOo | if there are any, switch to another channel |
| 14:16.46 | mozillaman | Heheh |
| 14:16.51 | oOGneaOo | that way they won't conflict |
| 14:16.53 | mozillaman | I'm in the middle of nowhere :) |
| 14:17.01 | oOGneaOo | you'd be surprized :) |
| 14:17.14 | mozillaman | Unless, squrils are getting techno :) |
| 14:17.38 | oOGneaOo | i used to live in the middle of nowhere too and i picked up like 5 different channels from my living room |
| 14:17.38 | mozillaman | rebooting router.... |
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| 14:17.44 | mozillaman | O_O |
| 14:17.47 | Darksider | who wants to die? |
| 14:17.53 | oOGneaOo | Darksider: your mom |
| 14:17.58 | mozillaman | Darksider: You do |
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| 14:18.04 | Darksider | DCC SEND lolololoololololololololololololololololololololol |
| 14:18.08 | Darksider | LAWL |
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| 14:18.14 | mozillaman | how smart |
| 14:18.17 | cydork | wtf?? |
| 14:18.21 | oOGneaOo | RichiH: yo! |
| 14:18.21 | mozillaman | Bye! |
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| 14:18.36 | h3sp4wn | Some bug in junk vxworks based routers |
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| 14:19.02 | liable | asshole |
| 14:19.06 | liable | !beer stew |
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| 14:20.01 | oOGneaOo | that's one thing about this place - it never gets boring |
| 14:20.46 | liable | it does when .us sleeps at times.. :) |
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| 14:21.05 | mozillaman_ | Honey, I'm home! |
| 14:21.14 | oOGneaOo | .us sleeps? :) |
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| 14:21.40 | mozillaman | :P |
| 14:21.41 | liable | oOGneaOo: even #debian gets quiet at times, believe it or not |
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| 14:21.51 | mozillaman | How should I run to refresh the iw/ifconfig? |
| 14:21.54 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman_: any luck? |
| 14:22.29 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: that's the beauty of allow-hotplug wlan0 :) |
| 14:22.40 | mozillaman | "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 14:22.42 | oOGneaOo | it shuts everything down for the interface automagically and then back up |
| 14:22.57 | mozillaman | Nice |
| 14:23.02 | oOGneaOo | mozillaman: did you tell your ap to only allow certain macs? |
| 14:23.17 | oOGneaOo | yeah, then you plug it in and it'll do all the dhcp and setup for you |
| 14:23.19 | mozillaman | No, it's more than happy to lease ips to anyone. |
| 14:23.25 | mozillaman | oh |
| 14:23.33 | mozillaman | duh :P |
| 14:25.20 | mozillaman | I can't run root commands now |
| 14:25.23 | mozillaman | they just hang |
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| 14:25.28 | mozillaman | might have to restart |
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| 14:26.39 | mozillaman | Yeah, I can't do anything, restarting |
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| 14:26.39 | oOGneaOo | k |
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| 14:27.59 | Sypher | hum ... what could it mean when iptables -L takes like 10 minutes to execute fully? ... :( |
| 14:28.30 | stew | Sypher: does "iptables -L -n" go quicker? |
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| 14:28.46 | Sypher | stew, ya ... |
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| 14:28.49 | stew | Sypher: its DNS then. |
| 14:28.50 | Sypher | name resolve problem ? |
| 14:28.59 | Sypher | hmmm can u tell me a DNS that surely works ? |
| 14:29.04 | mozillaman | sure |
| 14:29.23 | mozillaman | 208.67.222.222 |
| 14:29.34 | mozillaman | http://opendns.com |
| 14:29.40 | Sypher | thanks |
| 14:29.43 | mozillaman | np |
| 14:29.46 | DiaboluZ | Hi, got a problem with my debian. I use fluxbox and would like to have a GUI where i can set the time and set my system to automaticly sync with timeservers etc - anyone knows a package i should be looking for? |
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| 14:30.02 | mozillaman | You mean, ntp? |
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| 14:30.12 | mozillaman | ntpd will sync your time to central time servers |
| 14:30.14 | mozillaman | see |
| 14:30.15 | mozillaman | http://ntp.org |
| 14:30.33 | mozillaman | There are some GUIs for it |
| 14:30.39 | blondie | you dont need a gui for it |
| 14:30.39 | mozillaman | I just can't think of them offhand |
| 14:30.44 | blondie | it just runs in the backround |
| 14:30.46 | blondie | +g |
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| 14:31.15 | mozillaman | agreed |
| 14:31.29 | mozillaman | (but, he asked for a GUI, who am I to judge? ;) ) |
| 14:31.39 | DiaboluZ | but i still would like a gui for it :) |
| 14:31.45 | mozillaman | see? :) |
| 14:31.47 | Bhavesh | abrotman: how can i install debian on a USB drive from computer already running debian? |
| 14:31.47 | DiaboluZ | you know any good ones? |
| 14:31.52 | mozillaman | DiaboluZ: Sorry :( |
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| 14:32.07 | mozillaman | DiaboluZ: Search on google for "Ntp GUI" |
| 14:32.16 | DiaboluZ | mozillaman> but i still apriciate that you are trying to help me :) |
| 14:32.19 | mozillaman | must be someone who had such an itch |
| 14:32.24 | mozillaman | DiaboluZ: np ;) |
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| 14:34.46 | mozillaman | oOGneaOo: OK, I get this now: |
| 14:34.48 | DiaboluZ | Hmmm can't seem to find anything usefull on google |
| 14:35.18 | ofer1 | DiaboluZ, you don't need no GUI. this is stupid. |
| 14:35.43 | mozillaman | $ ifconfig wlan0 |
| 14:35.43 | ofer1 | DiaboluZ, aptitude install ntpdate, and add to cron: 32 * * * * root ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:35.44 | mozillaman | wlan0 8.2.11b/g NIC ESSID:" " |
| 14:35.46 | mozillaman | ..................... |
| 14:35.47 | mozillaman | Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 |
| 14:35.47 | ofer1 | have fun. |
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| 14:36.07 | mozillaman | DiaboluZ: Yeah, and, you can run ntpd as a deamon at startup |
| 14:36.31 | mozillaman | So, it looks like it's not getting an ESSID? |
| 14:36.33 | mozillaman | even though it's set |
| 14:36.59 | mozillaman | ideas? |
| 14:37.44 | mozillaman | mabey it needs enabled true? |
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| 14:37.50 | amphi | mozillaman: setting the essid manually works? |
| 14:37.52 | Bhavesh | anysuggestions? |
| 14:37.56 | DiaboluZ | i know i can do all this, but i am still on the search for a gui for it :) |
| 14:37.56 | Vme | is there an easy to way to check if audio is working? |
| 14:38.01 | Vme | i dont' have any speakers hooked up right now |
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| 14:38.03 | mozillaman | amphi: Haven't tried |
| 14:38.05 | mozillaman | sec |
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| 14:38.40 | mozillaman | amphi: That worked, but still no signal |
| 14:38.52 | amphi | mozillaman: set the channel manually also? |
| 14:38.57 | mozillaman | Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 14:39.07 | ofer1 | DiaboluZ, there is no GUI for stuff like that! the only thing you can do is edit /etc/crontab using a graphical editor. anyway, you really shouldn't. |
| 14:39.09 | mozillaman | k |
| 14:39.20 | cydork | mozillaman: do you see anything in iwlist scan? |
| 14:39.21 | amphi | mozillaman: iwlist <iface> scan will show the freq (or should) |
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| 14:39.43 | DiaboluZ | ofer1> i had a gui for it once when i used ubuntu... so i am wondering if i can find the same for debian :) |
| 14:39.53 | mozillaman | Invalid argument |
| 14:40.23 | mozillaman | o frequency information |
| 14:40.34 | amphi | mozillaman: huh? |
| 14:40.40 | cydork | mozillaman: invalid argument? |
| 14:40.43 | mozillaman | "Interface doesn't support scanning" |
| 14:40.48 | mozillaman | Invalid arugment to do: |
| 14:40.55 | mozillaman | iwconfig wlan0 channel 11 |
| 14:41.27 | cydork | mozillaman: which wifi card is this? |
| 14:41.29 | Nighteye | Hi |
| 14:41.30 | rsteele | sup |
| 14:41.58 | amphi | mozillaman: oh dear... |
| 14:42.04 | Vme | actually, i have no /dev/dsp ? |
| 14:42.08 | mozillaman | cydork: ZD1211 |
| 14:42.13 | psycodad | is bootcd the way to go to make a live cd from a debian system or are there better tools ? |
| 14:42.14 | amphi | mozillaman: what channel is it set to now? |
| 14:42.15 | Vme | i know i compiled audio into my kernel?? |
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| 14:42.19 | mozillaman | removable USB dongal chipset |
| 14:42.20 | Nighteye | private |
| 14:42.31 | mozillaman | amphi: AP is set to 11 |
| 14:42.59 | mozillaman | psycodad: Use Knoppix |
| 14:43.19 | DiaboluZ | Ok, fine i guess there is no GUI to find, i edited my conf etc... But - how do i set back my time zone? |
| 14:43.25 | cydork | psycodad: live-package |
| 14:43.30 | amphi | mozillaman: perhaps you can set by freq? 11 is 2.462 FWIW |
| 14:43.35 | psycodad | mozillaman: i want a server like thing, no gui and such. |
| 14:43.36 | mozillaman | k, sec |
| 14:43.52 | amphi | mozillaman: what channel does iwconfig wlan0 say the card is on ATM? |
| 14:44.12 | psycodad | cydork: the point that i cant include non-default configs worried me away from this yet |
| 14:44.19 | mozillaman | Doesn't list one |
| 14:44.24 | mozillaman | It might be defaulting to auto |
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| 14:45.01 | ofer1 | DiaboluZ, debian fellaz don't use GUI for stupid tasks. that's not the debian way |
| 14:45.27 | ofer1 | DiaboluZ, I told you how to do it step by step. you can go find a graphical cron editor, but I don't understand what's the difference. |
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| 14:46.18 | mozillaman | um |
| 14:46.20 | mozillaman | um um um |
| 14:46.32 | secher | Just to make sure I'm getting this correct, to install a version of a package that is not the default, in this case php5, I do #apt-get install php5=5.1.6 correct? |
| 14:46.34 | mozillaman | ITS WORKING |
| 14:46.38 | ofer1 | DiaboluZ, gcrontab - GTK bases crontab editor |
| 14:46.39 | DiaboluZ | tzselect in the shell did the magic ;) |
| 14:46.42 | mozillaman | I needed to run dhclient wlan0 |
| 14:46.52 | mozillaman | I pung google |
| 14:47.12 | cydork | psycodad: take a look at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ it's based on live-package. |
| 14:47.13 | DiaboluZ | ofer1> i don't need to run it as crontab when i run it as daemon do i? |
| 14:47.21 | Suprano | secher yes that should work |
| 14:47.48 | psycodad | thx for the pointer cydork ! |
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| 14:48.43 | abrotman | Bhavesh: yes |
| 14:49.40 | Bhavesh | abrotman: point me to the right direction please |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | debian.org/docs ? |
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| 14:52.08 | amphi | mozillaman: 'pung' is good ;) |
| 14:52.27 | Bhavesh | abrotman: hmm don't see anything that says how to install it on another media while running debian |
| 14:52.33 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:52.33 | dpkg | methinks usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 14:56.17 | abrotman | sng: help me@! |
| 14:57.52 | DiaboluZ | does adduser -home /mnt/1 -no-create-home -ingroup ftpuser -s /bin/null usernam make it impossible for the users to login via shell? |
| 14:58.34 | mozillaman | Thanks all |
| 14:59.46 | Bhavesh | awesome! |
| 14:59.47 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 15:01.17 | secher | Ok, I just did #apt-get install php5-cli=5.1.6 and php5-cli=5.1.6-5 to which I was returned E: Version '5.1.6-5' for 'php5-cli' was not found. The reason I'm trying to do this is there's a bug in phpgroupware on php5.2.0. |
| 15:02.18 | h3sp4wn | secher: apt-cache madison php5 |
| 15:02.33 | h3sp4wn | (if the version you want is not there look on snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:02.52 | secher | h3sp4wn: am checking madison |
| 15:03.31 | secher | madison shows 5.2.0-7 |
| 15:03.55 | sng | abrotman: Hm? |
| 15:04.04 | abrotman | sng: go hit timgoh0 |
| 15:05.12 | h3sp4wn | secher: That is the only version in the pool for etch and sid - check snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:05.23 | Bhavesh | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:05.24 | secher | Kk, thanks. |
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| 15:08.13 | smhar | hello everybody |
| 15:08.57 | DiaboluZ | argh! how in the world do i locate my proftpd config? |
| 15:11.59 | secher | DiaboluZ: as root updatedb then locate proftpd.conf |
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| 15:11.59 | Doat | I have a wav file and a mpg file and I want to add the audio in the wav to the mpg file. What program could do this easily? |
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| 15:13.39 | abrotman | sng: he needs an OSI demonstration! |
| 15:14.18 | smhar | upgrading my system from sarge to etch was generally successful, only after a couple of weeks later and several apt-get upgrade ; apt-get upgrade action that I noticed the system to be VERY slow. After investagation I found that booting with the kernel from etch; 2.6.17-2-686, dmesg gives very strange errors that related to the harddisk, see here http://channels.debian.net/paste/4650 . and hdparm -i shows that this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4652 . T |
| 15:14.18 | smhar | he dma is turned off and can not be turned on. But when I boot using the old kernel from sarge, every things seems to work fine, only xorg doesn't work. but dmesg is ok: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4651 and hdparm -i is fine: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4653 . Any tips on what to do next? |
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| 15:15.47 | grencez | quick question, if i build/install something from source, how do i let apt-based programs know that it's installed (and fullfill certain dependencies)? |
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| 15:19.09 | h3sp4wn | grencez: equivs |
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| 15:20.17 | grencez | ahh thank you |
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| 15:22.12 | plutonas | anyone that uses pine, with gmail, or can help me set it up? |
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| 15:25.45 | abrotman | i don't think you can do that |
| 15:25.47 | abrotman | and pine isn't in debian |
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| 15:26.53 | abhinay | what is the difference between net installer & businesscard ? |
| 15:27.09 | unlink | net installer has the base system on it, business card doesn't. |
| 15:28.02 | plutonas | abortman yes but i installed it. and gmail has pop support |
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| 15:28.52 | abhinay | unlink, can't we install gnome-core with the business card ? |
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| 15:29.49 | unlink | abhinay: you can, but it's not on the CD |
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| 15:30.20 | abhinay | unlink, ok |
| 15:31.22 | abhinay | unlink, can you give me the download link of netinstaller for sid |
| 15:31.30 | unlink | it doesn't exist |
| 15:31.52 | abhinay | Oh |
| 15:32.09 | unlink | get the etch installer |
| 15:32.47 | Suprano | etch = testing ? |
| 15:32.52 | Ronin | Suprano: YES |
| 15:32.55 | Suprano | k |
| 15:32.58 | Ronin | oops damn caps lock |
| 15:33.02 | abhinay | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso < etch netinstaller ? |
| 15:33.23 | unlink | looks like it |
| 15:33.27 | rgsteele | So, what does the `+' mean here: /dev/hda9 830 24321 188699458+ 83 Linux |
| 15:33.36 | rgsteele | I notice some devices don't have that next to their block size |
| 15:33.47 | rgsteele | That was the output of an fdisk -l, by the way. |
| 15:34.23 | plutonas | nobody that can help me with pine? |
| 15:34.50 | unlink | google |
| 15:34.57 | nzjunky | abhinay: Thats the sarge installer. You have to go to the installer projekt page to get the testing installer or the daily builds of it. |
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| 15:35.15 | abrotman | it does ? |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | abhinay: no |
| 15:35.43 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:35.44 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 15:35.52 | abhinay | nzjunky, iam confused, plz can you give me the link for damn latest version of debian netinstaller |
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| 15:36.18 | Ronin | abhinay: www.debian.org |
| 15:36.25 | Ronin | click the get debian link |
| 15:36.31 | nzjunky | abhinay: see link from dpkg |
| 15:36.48 | abhinay | nzjunky, ok |
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| 15:39.22 | shafire | http://nopaste.php-q.net/257848 <-- hi can someone help me with this problem? |
| 15:39.54 | DiaboluZ | Hmmm got a problem with my system, when i add a new user, i enter the password, try to access the system - access denied... i tryed to change the passwd using root and trying to log in again.... access denied... any good ideas? |
| 15:40.47 | simmerz | how do i activate mbstring with the debian install of php5? using etch |
| 15:41.00 | simmerz | I've enabled it in the config, but still having problems |
| 15:41.03 | Suprano | shafire try aptitude instead of apt-get it handly such problems sometimes better |
| 15:41.08 | Suprano | *handles |
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| 15:41.37 | smhar | upgrading my system from sarge to etch was generally successful, only after a couple of weeks later and several apt-get upgrade ; apt-get upgrade action that I noticed the system to be VERY slow. After investagation I found that booting with the kernel from etch; 2.6.17-2-686, dmesg gives very strange errors that related to the harddisk, see here http://channels.debian.net/paste/4650 . and hdparm -i shows that this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4652 . |
| 15:41.56 | smhar | The dma is turned off and can not be turned on. But when I boot using the old kernel from sarge, every things seems to work fine, only xorg doesn't work. but dmesg is ok: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4651 and hdparm -i is fine: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4653 . Any tips on what to do next? |
| 15:42.30 | DiaboluZ | No one who got an idea why i can not gain access to my system using newly created users? |
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| 15:42.50 | slocate | where have ALL the debian servers gone? |
| 15:43.04 | Suprano | DiaboluZ works su username as root ? |
| 15:43.36 | secher | rgsteele: the + indicates that a partition does not end precisely on a block, iirc. |
| 15:43.45 | DiaboluZ | Suprano> not sure what you mean right now? i add the users using root... and change their paddwords using root... |
| 15:43.52 | shafire | Suprano, i have put the dotdeb links in sources.list |
| 15:44.04 | shafire | and there two mysql-server-5.0 packages |
| 15:44.07 | shafire | one from dotdeb |
| 15:44.15 | shafire | one from debian |
| 15:44.23 | shafire | how can i install the dotdeb package? |
| 15:44.32 | Suprano | DiaboluZ you can log on as that user using su |
| 15:44.40 | Suprano | shafire pin it down |
| 15:44.50 | Suprano | then one you don't want |
| 15:44.59 | shafire | how? |
| 15:44.59 | Suprano | using /etc/apt/preferences |
| 15:45.05 | shafire | okay thx |
| 15:45.12 | Suprano | there is s.th. in the manual of apt or somwhere there |
| 15:45.14 | DiaboluZ | Suprano> yes it works fine (btw how do i log out again?) :) |
| 15:45.25 | Suprano | with exit @ DiaboluZ |
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| 15:45.54 | mconway | how do i remove a daemn from my startup script? |
| 15:46.21 | shafire | what i need to put in Suprano ? |
| 15:46.30 | DiaboluZ | Suprano> ok, but i still can't login with the users directly... tryed with different passwords etc... every time it keeps telling password updated ok - but when i use it - access denied |
| 15:46.43 | Suprano | DiaboluZ you could try to use passwd when youre logged on as that user, shouln'd be a difference, but who knows |
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| 15:48.03 | Suprano | shafire i got it somewhere, wait a moment |
| 15:48.29 | shafire | Suprano, thank you... |
| 15:48.42 | DiaboluZ | Suprano> nope, doesn't help a thing... |
| 15:48.45 | shafire | other question, what mirrors must i put in into my sources.list only for updates? |
| 15:49.07 | secher | mconway: one way to do it is to locate the application under your /etc/rc.* tree and change it from S to K, or delete it altogether. Dunno if htat's the right way, but it ought to work. |
| 15:49.24 | Suprano | DiaboluZ maybee you need to set an option to allow login, can'T help you more, sry |
| 15:49.40 | DiaboluZ | hmmm ok :( |
| 15:50.22 | Suprano | shafire i can'T find it in the logs, i need to reboot to linux to show it, hang on |
| 15:50.30 | Suprano | <- reboot |
| 15:50.32 | shafire | ok |
| 15:50.32 | secher | DiaboluZ: lets follow this through. When you installed Debian, you created 2 accounts, root and a 'regular' user, correct? |
| 15:50.37 | aidehua | How can I ensure a kernel module is loaded at boot time? |
| 15:51.10 | DiaboluZ | secher> nope, only root is on there (its a remote server from a hosting company) and now i'm trying to add more users |
| 15:51.10 | secher | aidehua: lsmod |
| 15:51.15 | rgsteele | secher: thank you |
| 15:51.16 | et | hi. how do i get aptitude to return a package to the state where it'd be at the first install? |
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| 15:51.26 | et | (overwriting every configuration file etc) |
| 15:51.39 | aidehua | secher: as in, I want to stop having to modprobe it every time I boot :) |
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| 17:03.57 | *** topic/#debian is 3.1r4: /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:04.05 | Roey | oh, the days of mwilson. |
| 17:04.08 | stew | DiaboluZ: what happnens when a user tries to ssh? |
| 17:04.10 | kementeus | fireball11: so, the only way is the downgrade again of the server? |
| 17:04.21 | kementeus | i mean, from the mysql libs? |
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| 17:04.35 | fireba11 | kementeus i think that's the reason for that "sarge users connecting to it or not" |
| 17:04.41 | DiaboluZ | stew> it asks for the password, afterwards: access denied |
| 17:05.00 | stew | DiaboluZ: does it give any clues in /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 17:05.54 | JordiGH | So, has Sun said "the class libraries are getting GPLed in 2007" or is this just hearsay? |
| 17:07.02 | stew | JordiGH: sun has said it will all be gpled, but in stages |
| 17:07.31 | JordiGH | stew: Googling ain't helping... but I do love the intrigue. |
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| 17:08.03 | karsten | How do I use chrony to set my time, manually invoked? |
| 17:08.13 | VolVE | hey all, I'm looking at using EVMS and was wondering which Debian versions supported it from the get-go during install (as opposed to converting a system later) ? |
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| 17:08.28 | DiaboluZ | stew> nope, the login attempts don't even show up |
| 17:08.38 | cahoot | karsten: don't think chrony does that |
| 17:09.07 | stew | DiaboluZ: does /etc/nologin exist? |
| 17:09.29 | stew | DiaboluZ: have you been mucking about in /etc/pam.d ? |
| 17:09.41 | CharminTheMoose | damn i can't find the .jigdo image for the netinst cd... |
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| 17:10.03 | DiaboluZ | stew> nologin thing exists yea... /etc/pam.d? what's that? :) |
| 17:10.09 | karsten | cahoot: Feh. |
| 17:10.19 | cahoot | karsten: ? |
| 17:10.24 | karsten | cahoot: I came to understand it conflicted ntpdate... |
| 17:10.54 | cahoot | karsten: AIUI it's made to gradually devrease the discrepancy |
| 17:10.58 | DiaboluZ | stew> i havn't touched that /etc/pam.d but is it a bad thing that the nologin file exists? |
| 17:11.13 | karsten | cahoot: My bad, it doesn't. |
| 17:11.18 | cahoot | karsten: for on-shot changes you use date |
| 17:11.30 | cahoot | one-shot |
| 17:11.31 | karsten | cahoot: OK. Allowing more skew than, say, ntp, which is *very* conservative. |
| 17:11.34 | stew | DiaboluZ: rm /etc/nologin ; its a sign that perhaps your boot up wasn't complete |
| 17:11.43 | karsten | cahoot: For one-shot changes, *I* use ntpdate ;-) |
| 17:11.44 | stew | CharminTheMoose: hrm. perhaps they don't exist |
| 17:12.20 | DiaboluZ | stew> OMG :) |
| 17:12.26 | DiaboluZ | You are my new god :) |
| 17:12.29 | cahoot | karsten: of course I meant (ntp)date |
| 17:12.35 | DiaboluZ | stew> i can login now... |
| 17:12.38 | CharminTheMoose | hrm.could an alternative be for me to just download the image? |
| 17:12.41 | CharminTheMoose | maybe i could |
| 17:12.45 | JordiGH | Crap. I want to be deified too. |
| 17:12.47 | CharminTheMoose | and mount it -o loop..... |
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| 17:13.06 | DiaboluZ | stew> but only ssh, still no go on the ftp |
| 17:13.13 | stew | DiaboluZ: /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin should be the last init script run, if /etc/nologin exists, its a sign that something got screwed up in your boot process |
| 17:13.17 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: there iusn't one |
| 17:13.48 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:right |
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| 17:14.09 | kementeus | how did I know which packaged was installed in my last upgrade? there is no way i guess |
| 17:14.45 | cydork | kementeus: aptitude or dpkg log i guess |
| 17:14.56 | stew | kementeus: did you use aptitude? what version of debian? |
| 17:14.58 | JordiGH | kementeus: see /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 17:15.28 | Linux_Freek | hey.. |
| 17:15.58 | DiaboluZ | Hmmm weird that the ftp still tells me that login is incorrect |
| 17:16.11 | Linux_Freek | i use Debian Etch testing.. I use a usb modem to connect to the internel |
| 17:16.32 | Linux_Freek | today i bought a ethernet card.. its not detected by Debian.. |
| 17:16.37 | kementeus | JordiGH, there is not a /var/log/dpkg.log file in my system |
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| 17:17.46 | JordiGH | kementeus: Really? Maybe that's a more recent feature, then. :-/ |
| 17:17.46 | cydork | kementeus: if you are using sarge it's not there |
| 17:18.02 | Linux_Freek | the ethernet card came with a cdrom with a Linux driver |
| 17:18.02 | stew | kementeus: that is becuase you are running sarge. that log is only available starting with etch. unless you used aptitude there will be no log. you could do something like look at times on files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 17:18.13 | stew | JordiGH: that log is only as of dpkg 1.13 which came out sometime after sarge |
| 17:18.13 | Linux_Freek | but the readme says it supports 2.4.x and 2.5 kernels |
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| 17:18.13 | stew | it used to be one of the oldest bugs in the bts |
| 17:18.13 | JordiGH | My dpkg log goes as back as December 2005. |
| 17:18.14 | stew | !dbugs 957 |
| 17:18.14 | dpkg | DONE:#957:W[dpkg] dpkg should automatically log everything; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:03:02 UTC |
| 17:18.16 | Linux_Freek | so will it work with 2.6 kernel ? |
| 17:18.16 | JordiGH | Wow. |
| 17:18.20 | JordiGH | 10 year old bug? |
| 17:18.34 | JordiGH | We just recently hit bug 400,000, didn't we? |
| 17:19.28 | stew | JordiGH: yeah. it was finally closed sometime around feb 2005 |
| 17:19.44 | stew | err, no it must have been later, i remember when it hit 10 years |
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| 17:20.04 | JordiGH | stew: What took so long? |
| 17:20.12 | JordiGH | Is logging more difficult than I'm aware? |
| 17:20.24 | DiaboluZ | stew> any idea why i still can't login with ftp? 530 login incorrect... |
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| 17:20.34 | stew | JordiGH: it just took a long time for someone to decide to do it |
| 17:20.35 | Flimzy | Will Xen 3 work with a Debian/stable host? Or will I need testing for that? |
| 17:20.36 | Linux_Freek | any help ? |
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| 17:20.40 | DaSkreech | What would cause a "failed to write to pipe in copy" error on installing a .deb ? |
| 17:20.42 | kementeus | thanks a lot stew, it worked for me |
| 17:20.44 | stew | DiaboluZ: does your ftp auth against pam? or by some other method like mysql? |
| 17:20.58 | DiaboluZ | stew> against pam |
| 17:21.02 | JJCale | hi |
| 17:21.11 | kementeus | I guess I would need to downgrade my installation to auth with my postfix-mysql |
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| 17:21.23 | DaSkreech | that was prefaced by a short read in buffer_copy |
| 17:21.24 | stew | DiaboluZ: dunno |
| 17:21.35 | DiaboluZ | stew> :( |
| 17:21.55 | CAiRO | argh, mysql 5.0 passwords are not secure? and i can't connect anymore with php if i want secure passwords? |
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| 17:21.59 | cydork | Linux_Freek: which card is that? |
| 17:22.07 | CAiRO | that's really bad |
| 17:22.19 | Linux_Freek | CAiRO: intex ethernet card |
| 17:22.31 | JJCale | I swtiched from windows (which I've beeen using for more than 15 years) to Ubuntu, but now I would like to try debian but am I little confused |
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| 17:22.36 | whazilla | hey |
| 17:22.43 | Ronin | JJCale: about what part/parts? |
| 17:22.55 | JordiGH | whazilla: j0 |
| 17:22.55 | whazilla | how di i remove package ProPolice ? or allso referref tho as libssp ? |
| 17:23.06 | Linux_Freek | CAiRO: shall i paste my lspci for the ethernet card ? |
| 17:23.16 | whazilla | or the stack protection lib ? |
| 17:23.21 | cydork | Linux_Freek: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 17:23.22 | CAiRO | Linux_Freek: what? |
| 17:23.27 | whazilla | hey JordiGH |
| 17:23.35 | Linux_Freek | 01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1904:2031 (rev 01) |
| 17:23.50 | Linux_Freek | thats the lspci output of my ethernet card |
| 17:24.06 | JJCale | well, I 'm using Ubunto from 5 weeks now, and I'm very pleased with the system... I'm always willing to learn and so I read a bunch of HowTos and I hadn't a single problem with Ubuntu |
| 17:24.08 | JJCale | but... |
| 17:24.09 | oOGneaOo | Linux_Freek: update-pciids |
| 17:24.25 | JJCale | I don't agrre with the new direction of Ubuntu... |
| 17:24.28 | kementeus | this could be a dummy question, but how did I get debconf run again to config my mysqlserver? |
| 17:24.42 | stew | Linux_Freek: there is no support for that card in the linux kernel as of 2.6.18 according to my kernel |
| 17:24.46 | JordiGH | Holy crap. The dependency graph of Octaviz is a huge tangled mess. |
| 17:24.49 | JJCale | I don't agree, for instance, with binary drivers beeing installed by default on Ubuntu feist |
| 17:24.50 | Habbie | kementeus, dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
| 17:24.52 | oOGneaOo | JJCale: well ubuntu, like any based-on-debian distro, will always go its own way |
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| 17:25.10 | oOGneaOo | JJCale: that's ubuntu's perogative, not ours. |
| 17:25.14 | JJCale | and I prefer a more community oriented and controlled distro |
| 17:25.18 | JJCale | just like debian |
| 17:25.25 | oOGneaOo | then don't use ubuntu |
| 17:25.28 | Ronin | so install debian JJCale |
| 17:25.38 | Linux_Freek | CAiRO: what is update-pciids ? |
| 17:25.39 | JordiGH | Wow. Ubuntu is installing blobs by default? Zomg, that's teh evil. |
| 17:25.41 | JJCale | so I wann switch to debian, but I'be been told that debian is much more difficult for a new user than ubuntu |
| 17:26.21 | JordiGH | JJCale: Untrue in my opinion. Especially with newer Debian builds. It's getting more and more user-friendly as it goes along. |
| 17:26.27 | stew | Linux_Freek: it download new text so taht your lspci might say something other than "unknown device" but your device isn't supported in any case |
| 17:26.30 | Linux_Freek | stew: so what the card is waste huh.. ? |
| 17:26.32 | cydork | Linux_Freek: it's command to update the pci ids :P |
| 17:26.46 | Linux_Freek | oh... |
| 17:26.57 | Linux_Freek | i just bought that card today... |
| 17:26.59 | JJCale | so it's easier for me if I install debian etch, instead of debian sarge? |
| 17:26.59 | oOGneaOo | JJCale: debian requires a bit more work to get running - you're not gonna get everything working right off the bat - so if you're willing to put some time and effort in, then you can learn it... the learning curve may be steep, depending on where you're coming from |
| 17:27.09 | Linux_Freek | what about 2.4 kernels ? |
| 17:27.31 | amphi | JJCale: you could make a note of your X config, what modules are loaded, and so on, on ubuntu, so you know what to do if something doesn't work at once on debian |
| 17:27.32 | oOGneaOo | i have no patience for loss of focus today. |
| 17:27.34 | Linux_Freek | the cdrom with the card has a driver for 2.4 and 2.5 kernels |
| 17:27.51 | JordiGH | JJCale: Unless you have really new hardware, sarge should be enough for desktop use. If you want to track a particular piece of favourite software, etch might be better. |
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| 17:28.30 | JordiGH | How's the RC bug count, btw? |
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| 17:28.40 | stew | JordiGH: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 17:28.54 | stew | JordiGH: or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 17:28.58 | JJCale | now in Ubuntu I have a completely encrypted disk, with LUKS (except /boot) |
| 17:29.02 | Linux_Freek | so how do i ask the guy at the shop for a network card that supports 2.6 kernels ? |
| 17:29.12 | JJCale | can I have the same with debian etch? |
| 17:29.26 | stew | JJCale: yes, but not easily with sarge. |
| 17:29.40 | JJCale | but easily with etch? |
| 17:29.47 | stew | JJCale: its supported by the etch installer |
| 17:30.09 | kementeus | linux_freak: maybe go and check first the common supported network chipset and go to the shop and buy a card with that chipset |
| 17:30.09 | JJCale | this is good news! ubuntu installer doesn't suport encryption! |
| 17:30.22 | JJCale | very good news indeed |
| 17:30.47 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: i think i will stick connecting the modem via usb |
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| 17:31.22 | JordiGH | JJCale: Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. I've been trying to get encryption working in my humble usb pendrive. How does the one you have work? Does your computer have to prompt for a password at boot? |
| 17:31.37 | cydork | JordiGH: or http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ :P |
| 17:31.38 | kementeus | i guess it would be easier to ask for a "network card with a rtl8139 chipset" than "a network card with kernel 2.6 support" |
| 17:31.53 | Linux_Freek | what does that mean ? |
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| 17:32.19 | Linux_Freek | rt18139 is a chipset supported by Linux 2.6 ? |
| 17:32.24 | kementeus | yep |
| 17:32.26 | amphi | Linux_Freek: yes |
| 17:32.27 | cydork | Linux_Freek: yep |
| 17:32.28 | JordiGH | Great, another .org I can't access... |
| 17:32.33 | Linux_Freek | Oh..ok.. |
| 17:32.39 | cydork | JordiGH: huh? why not? |
| 17:32.57 | amphi | Linux_Freek: 8139too module should do the trick |
| 17:32.58 | JJCale | one more question... I would like to know how debian deals with distro upgrades... for instance, if I install debian etch now, do I need to make a clean install in order to upgrade for sid, in the future, or it will be easy to make a distro upgrade from etch to sid? |
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| 17:33.04 | Linux_Freek | anyway i can use this card on a older distro.. its hard to see it go waste ? |
| 17:33.17 | JJCale | yes, my computer asks for a password on boot |
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| 17:33.24 | whazilla | how di i remove package ProPolice ? or allso referref tho as libssp ? |
| 17:33.26 | whazilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.29 | kementeus | linux_freek: what is your network card? |
| 17:33.30 | Linux_Freek | amphi: can i get that card working ? |
| 17:33.41 | JordiGH | cydork: I don't get it. It seems that a bunch of community-driven or free software sites are inaccessible to me on this computer, but only when I boot into Debian. My office mates boot this computer into Windows and see those websites without a problem, which embarrasses me to no end. I've been sending a daily bug report to my sysadmin about this. |
| 17:33.43 | JJCale | let me search the link to the howto I've followed in order to have LUKS encryption |
| 17:33.43 | Linux_Freek | the box says intex |
| 17:33.50 | kementeus | intex? |
| 17:33.52 | amphi | Linux_Freek: should only need 'modprobe 8139too', if that |
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| 17:34.00 | oOGneaOo | Linux_Freek: run update-pciids as root, then lspci again |
| 17:34.17 | stew | JJCale: debian deals well with distro upgrades, but not downgrades (similar to ubuntu). you don't want sid. note that sid will never be stable, its always sid aka unstable. after etch releases, lenny will be created to be the next testing |
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| 17:34.29 | JordiGH | cydork: It's not a Debian specific problem. Seems to be a GNU/Linux problem in general. |
| 17:34.34 | JJCale | JordiG: could you private me? it woul be easier to talk |
| 17:34.42 | Linux_Freek | here.. |
| 17:34.43 | Linux_Freek | 01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. Unknown device 2031 (rev 01) |
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| 17:34.53 | stew | JordiGH: can you resolve the DNS with "host foo.org" ? |
| 17:35.05 | JordiGH | JJCale: Private messages aren't easier for me. Just tell me if your computer prompts for a password or not. :-/ |
| 17:35.18 | JordiGH | stew: It's not a DNS problem. As far as I can tell, all the packets never make it past the local router. |
| 17:35.32 | JJCale | stew: thanks for that information! now I begin to understand how debian deals with upgrades |
| 17:35.36 | stew | JordiGH: can you "telnet foo.org 80" |
| 17:35.38 | JJCale | yes, it prompts |
| 17:35.44 | amphi | Linux_Freek: you could do lspci -n and google the oem_id:device_id pair |
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| 17:35.57 | JordiGH | stew: It might be OpenBSD and GNU/Linux not interacting happily. |
| 17:35.59 | cydork | !tell Linux_Freek -about which driver |
| 17:36.02 | JordiGH | stew: No, I can't telnet. |
| 17:36.09 | stew | JordiGH: odd |
| 17:36.11 | cydork | Linux_Freek: check that msg from dpkg |
| 17:36.44 | JordiGH | stew: Very odd. In the meantime, I keep sending daily reports to the sysadmin requesting to end this anti-Linux discrimination. |
| 17:36.47 | JJCale | JordiG: look at this link: |
| 17:36.50 | JJCale | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystem |
| 17:36.53 | JordiGH | stew: They probably think I'm a freak. |
| 17:36.56 | kementeus | linux_freek: any other info from the box of the network card? |
| 17:37.03 | cydork | JordiGH: that you are! :P |
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| 17:37.17 | Linux_Freek | no information from that link in dpkg its says no information |
| 17:37.30 | JordiGH | I shouldn't be discriminated for choosing not to use non-free software (except for the nvidia blob, curse it!) |
| 17:37.41 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me how to get the Yenta PCMCIA bridge controller to work with CardBus cards? dmesg complains of no PCI IRQ... what's the fix? |
| 17:37.41 | JJCale | and look at this link also: |
| 17:37.41 | JJCale | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto5?highlight=%28%28EncryptedFilesystem%29%29 |
| 17:37.47 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: Like what ? |
| 17:38.12 | JJCale | I prefer the HowTo of this second link |
| 17:38.26 | Ronin | JJCale: ack, cant wait till they get that so you dont wipe your current install |
| 17:38.28 | oOGneaOo | Linux_Freek: can you paste the output of lspci -v to http://channels.debian.net/paste ? |
| 17:38.31 | JordiGH | JJCale: Hm. I do hope that's not Ubuntu-specific. I see some pretty generic tools there, though. |
| 17:38.37 | Linux_Freek | sure.. |
| 17:38.40 | oOGneaOo | thanks |
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| 17:39.27 | JJCale | I don't know if one could use the some HowTos on debian |
| 17:39.38 | Linux_Freek | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4659 |
| 17:39.40 | Linux_Freek | here.. |
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| 17:40.05 | JordiGH | I aspire to learn how to use... |
| 17:40.08 | JordiGH | !info cryptmount |
| 17:40.11 | dpkg | cryptmount: (Management and user-mode mounting of encrypted file systems), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 17:40.15 | JJCale | but you said debian installer already has the tools to encrypt de disk... so whay don't you use them? |
| 17:40.32 | JordiGH | JJCale: Because I'm not installing Debian. I want to encrypt my usb pendrive. |
| 17:41.49 | JJCale | oh, you you just want to encrypt your usb pen drive that will be easy |
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| 17:42.27 | JJCale | just install cryptsetup and use the LKS commands |
| 17:42.31 | JordiGH | I already encrypted it, I think. I just want to know how to mount and unmount it without root privileges, and to make sure that I need a password to mount it or unmount it. |
| 17:43.14 | dererk | I've a very specific problem using raid1 by software |
| 17:43.42 | dererk | I moved the whole filesystem and created the raid structure on a livecd |
| 17:43.43 | JJCale | JordiG: weel, in order to open it: sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 cryptousb |
| 17:43.57 | whazilla | hey somebody care to help me remove ProPolice ? |
| 17:44.06 | whazilla | dcc libssp |
| 17:44.10 | whazilla | cc |
| 17:44.14 | JJCale | change sda1 for your usb partition, of course |
| 17:44.15 | dererk | Running on the livecd, the raid is correctly set up |
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| 17:44.17 | whazilla | and gcc |
| 17:44.25 | JordiGH | JJCale: No sudoing, please. |
| 17:44.43 | JordiGH | JJCale: I shouldn't need root privileges to mount my own encrypted usb pendrive. |
| 17:44.55 | dererk | But, If I left the normal system to boot up, it just set 1 of the 2 partitions |
| 17:44.57 | Linux_Freek | oOGneaOo: so.. |
| 17:44.59 | dererk | any Idea ? |
| 17:45.14 | JJCale | JordiG: then, in order to mount that partition: sudo mount /dev/mapper/cryptousb /media/cryptousb |
| 17:45.22 | Linux_Freek | can anything be done.. |
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| 17:45.34 | whazilla | o0|0o |
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| 17:46.02 | khermans | anyone know how to make netcat lisgten persistently on Linux? There is no -L option, only on win32 build |
| 17:46.34 | JordiGH | JJCale: Alright, the latter command can be unsudoed by modifying /etc/fstab... |
| 17:46.48 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4659 |
| 17:46.48 | JJCale | JordiG: well, in Ubuntu you would need sudo... but sudo only gives privilegies for a specific action, so you don't have to worry with that |
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| 17:47.24 | JordiGH | JJCale: You're missing the point. I want to allow ordinary users to use an encrypted usb pendrive. I'm not the only user on this machine. |
| 17:47.43 | dererk | anyone please ? |
| 17:47.47 | JordiGH | Encryption is for everyone! Not just for admins. |
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| 17:47.57 | JJCale | JordiG: yes, but only if you want the usb encrypted partition to automatticaly mounted at X startup |
| 17:48.33 | JordiGH | JJCale: No, I can put noauto in /etc/fstab and then the usb partition won't be automatically mounted. |
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| 17:48.54 | DiaboluZ | Damn i just can't get the ftp access to work on my server :( always 530 login incorrect |
| 17:49.32 | kementeus | DiaboluZ: I know what you feel, I could not login to my postfix server again |
| 17:49.35 | JordiGH | Also, what's LUKS? Is it AES encryption? I want to use AES, because that's the one that Knoppix understands. |
| 17:49.41 | kementeus | I guess I would reinstall mysql server again :( |
| 17:49.41 | Linux_Freek | oOGneaOo: any luck ? |
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| 17:50.04 | anarcat | i'm confused by the latest proftpd advisory |
| 17:50.05 | kementeus | linux_freek: I think your intex network card use a rtl8139d chipset |
| 17:50.09 | JJCale | Jordig: I think you need root privilegies (sudo) in order to open LUKS encrypted partitions |
| 17:50.21 | DiaboluZ | kementeus> well it's weird, i made a copy of my conf file from my other server wich works perfect, put it in, and still... NO GO! |
| 17:50.24 | kementeus | but I don't understand why your linux box doesn't recognize it |
| 17:50.26 | anarcat | there's no package for amd64... is ia64 the same as amd64 nowadays? |
| 17:50.28 | JordiGH | JJCale: That's a shame. I'll keep looking into cryptmount, then. |
| 17:50.31 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: ok..so is that good or bad ? |
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| 17:51.18 | stew | JJCale: JordiGH: you don't need root privs. pmount supports LUKS |
| 17:51.19 | maher | what calendaring applications would anyone recommend fo rme to install for my non-computer savvy brother? |
| 17:51.34 | kementeus | linux_freek: well, i just could find one intex card on internet, and it uses a rtl8139d chipset, that chipset is full supported in all linux version with the rtl8139too module |
| 17:51.42 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: the card came with a paper with a few specifications about the card..anything that i can look into that and tell you ? |
| 17:51.56 | Linux_Freek | shall i try insmod ? |
| 17:52.01 | kementeus | try insmod |
| 17:52.05 | stew | !insmod |
| 17:52.05 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 17:52.16 | kementeus | modprobe 8139too |
| 17:52.26 | kementeus | !modprobe |
| 17:52.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
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| 17:52.33 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: done ! |
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| 17:52.44 | kementeus | does it worked? |
| 17:52.53 | Linux_Freek | how do i check ? |
| 17:52.58 | bizinichi | interest |
| 17:53.08 | kementeus | lsmod and see if 8139 is in the list |
| 17:53.10 | kementeus | :P |
| 17:53.11 | stew | Linux_Freek: does "ifconfig -a" list an eth0 or eth1 corresponding to your card? |
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| 17:53.30 | Linux_Freek | Module Size Used by |
| 17:53.31 | Linux_Freek | 8139too 24384 0 |
| 17:53.54 | kementeus | the last lines from your dmesg says something about a network card? |
| 17:53.55 | anarcat | is amd64 supported at all by the security team? |
| 17:54.03 | stew | anarcat: yes. fully |
| 17:54.07 | cydork | anarcat: yes |
| 17:54.09 | Linux_Freek | stew: only eth0 and thats my usb modem |
| 17:54.23 | anarcat | then why doesn't the proftpd advisory feature a amd64 package? |
| 17:54.27 | stew | Linux_Freek: then no, its not supporting your network card |
| 17:54.33 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27 |
| 17:54.43 | anarcat | oh |
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| 17:54.47 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: thats the last line in dmesg |
| 17:55.06 | JJCale | stew: let's suppose I install now etch... after etch releases what will I need to do in order to upgrade from etch testing to etch stable? |
| 17:55.08 | anarcat | well, that's weird, the package isn't there in the email, but it's on the webpage http://www.us.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1218 |
| 17:55.12 | DiaboluZ | i can't even login using the shell command ftp localhost... i also get login incorrect 530 after entering my details... |
| 17:55.17 | anarcat | that's pretty bad... |
| 17:55.18 | anarcat | anyways |
| 17:55.41 | valdyn | anarcat: what are you talking about? dont you see the amd64 package for advisory 1218-1 ? |
| 17:55.44 | maher | JJCale: but etch instead of testing in aources.list - you won't have to change anything |
| 17:55.52 | maher | JJCale: s/but/put/ |
| 17:56.18 | anarcat | valdyn: hum, actually, i don't see it in 1222-1 |
| 17:56.18 | kementeus | linux_freak: that is really weird, modprobe load the driver and it worked, but your network card doesn't appear in the network list |
| 17:56.19 | stew | JJCale: make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list is referring to "etch" instead of "testing", then apt-get upgrade |
| 17:56.38 | kementeus | does that card work in something like windows? |
| 17:56.44 | kementeus | because the network card could be brokern |
| 17:56.45 | anarcat | valdyn: and i don't see the 1222-1 on the website either |
| 17:56.46 | kementeus | broken |
| 17:56.50 | valdyn | anarcat: wait a little, its not even on www.debian.org yet |
| 17:56.53 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: i have a only Linux box |
| 17:57.02 | anarcat | right... |
| 17:57.04 | stew | kementeus: how do you know the driver he loaded is supposed to support his card? |
| 17:57.10 | anarcat | well, the i386 is on the mirrors, but not amd64... |
| 17:57.13 | anarcat | anyways, okay |
| 17:57.20 | anarcat | what's "a little"? :) |
| 17:57.21 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: the guy at the shop said its works with windows. |
| 17:57.22 | anarcat | a day? |
| 17:57.32 | valdyn | anarcat: not even debian can compile packages instantly |
| 17:57.38 | Linux_Freek | and plus drivers for it are on the cd they gave |
| 17:57.40 | anarcat | darn... :) |
| 17:57.47 | kementeus | stew: simply, it is a Realtek 8139, so it should work with that module |
| 17:57.59 | anarcat | valdyn: i thought that packages were compiled when the advisory was out.... |
| 17:58.12 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: is there anything else i can try ? |
| 17:58.12 | kementeus | linux_freak: are there linux drivers on that disc? |
| 17:58.23 | valdyn | anarcat: where did you get that advisory? mailing list? |
| 17:58.29 | anarcat | yes |
| 17:58.34 | anarcat | just got it this morning |
| 17:58.35 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: yes but the readme says for linux 2.4.x and 2.5 |
| 17:58.41 | valdyn | anarcat: http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1222 does not even exist yet |
| 17:58.46 | anarcat | well, 40 minutes ago actually :) |
| 17:58.47 | kementeus | linux_freak, could I look at them? |
| 17:58.51 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: shall i paste the readme in the pastebin ? |
| 17:58.51 | anarcat | valdyn: yeah i know |
| 17:58.55 | stew | kementeus: how do you know it is a realtek 8139? why isn't that card listed in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap? if it is a 8139 how do you know it is supported by 8139too and not 8139cp? |
| 17:58.56 | kementeus | just the 2.5 drivers |
| 17:59.03 | JJCale | stew: oh, I see, that sounds good! but it will be better to use aptitude upgrade? I've read that aptitude it's better than apt-get in dealing with dependencies |
| 17:59.14 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: its a c program |
| 17:59.15 | stew | JJCale: yes, that is correct |
| 17:59.23 | kementeus | stew: I don't know, I just test :P |
| 17:59.34 | anarcat | valdyn: you know how long it takes to compiles those packages usually, or how I can check that? |
| 17:59.37 | kementeus | linux_freek: i know it is a c program |
| 17:59.41 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: i have to compile it.. and get a .o module as output |
| 17:59.48 | valdyn | anarcat: i dont, feel free to compile yourself |
| 17:59.55 | kementeus | I just want to see the header of that file |
| 17:59.59 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: u want to see the program ? |
| 18:00.02 | Linux_Freek | ok.. |
| 18:00.03 | kementeus | what is the name of the module? |
| 18:00.03 | anarcat | valdyn: sure, thanks. |
| 18:00.26 | kementeus | linux_freek: could I see the name of the files in the 2.5 module of your network card? |
| 18:00.26 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: hey the folder which i untarred says sc92031.. |
| 18:00.30 | valdyn | anarcat: like:'apt-get build-dep proftpd && apt-get -b source proftpd', probably |
| 18:00.50 | stew | anarcat: what is the version of proftpd from that advisory? |
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| 18:00.50 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: sc92031.c , makefile , readme.txt |
| 18:01.24 | valdyn | anarcat: that however does require the proper deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 18:01.27 | valdyn | anarcat: that however does require the proper deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:01.36 | stew | either :) |
| 18:01.42 | kementeus | linux_freek: wait, I guess I found something |
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| 18:02.04 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4660 |
| 18:02.10 | anarcat | stew: For the stable distribution (sarge) these problem has been fixed in version |
| 18:02.13 | anarcat | 1.2.10-15sarge3. |
| 18:02.25 | anarcat | there's even a typo |
| 18:02.53 | anarcat | Empreinte de clé principale: CA4F D469 C047 165A 1A55 CCD7 5E6D EF1C 4E2E CA5A |
| 18:02.58 | DiaboluZ | how can i downgrade proftpd 1.30 to 1.29? |
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| 18:03.34 | anarcat | DiaboluZ: snapshot.debian.net^ |
| 18:03.34 | anarcat | ? |
| 18:03.53 | valdyn | anarcat: that advisory is fine |
| 18:04.09 | valdyn | anarcat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2006/msg00320.html |
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| 18:04.39 | kementeus | linux_freek: Intex sucks |
| 18:04.56 | valdyn | anarcat: the part for amd64 is indeed missing, seems like a bug to me |
| 18:05.13 | valdyn | anarcat: at least they could mention if amd64 was not affected |
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| 18:05.16 | anarcat | valdyn: interesting |
| 18:05.19 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: oh..ok |
| 18:05.39 | anarcat | good, that reassures me |
| 18:05.40 | anarcat | thanks |
| 18:05.47 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: atleast now we know the card name.. |
| 18:05.53 | JJCale | stew: I want to ask one more thing. But first let me explain why I'm gonna put the following question. In Ubuntu the upgrade from dapper to edgy has beeen quite a nightmare, for many users... Many user did a distro upgrade, from dapper to edy only to find a broken system... So here it goes the question: when I will have stable etch, it will be easy to upgrade to lenny without needing to do a clean install? distro upgrades in debian don't usuall |
| 18:05.53 | JJCale | y break the system? |
| 18:05.56 | stew | anarcat: valdyn: http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages shows -sarge2 as being current |
| 18:06.03 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: its Silan SC92031 |
| 18:06.22 | valdyn | stew: yep, the advisory skips amd64 without giving a reason |
| 18:06.32 | kementeus | linux_freek: yep |
| 18:06.36 | kementeus | it is a fake card |
| 18:06.49 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-162810.html |
| 18:06.53 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: what ? |
| 18:07.01 | Icb3a | Need help :/ |
| 18:07.02 | Linux_Freek | whats a fake card ? |
| 18:07.05 | maher | JJCale: i have never had serious breakage doing stable->newstable upgrades - this is a maor reason for me using debian... |
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| 18:07.18 | DiaboluZ | anarcat> can't i do it with apt-get somehow? :) |
| 18:07.20 | stew | JJCale: it should be easy. they sometimes have little caveats, which should always be covered by the release notes. but in general there shouldn't be major problmes. |
| 18:07.23 | Icb3a | I lost my root password (the server is a distant serv to oVH) |
| 18:07.32 | Icb3a | how do I can do ? |
| 18:07.37 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 18:07.40 | Icb3a | i have "passwd" .. |
| 18:07.40 | stew | JJCale: if you hang around here, you'll soon start seeing lots of people upgrading from sarge -> etch as etch is nearing release |
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| 18:07.53 | Icb3a | but I thin the caplock or other think was actif.. |
| 18:08.05 | maher | Icb3a: are you root atm? |
| 18:08.06 | kementeus | linux_freek: the card says it is a rtl card but is another one |
| 18:08.13 | kementeus | another with a really low quality |
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| 18:08.19 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: what is rtl ? |
| 18:08.20 | kementeus | you would need to compile the module |
| 18:08.24 | kementeus | realtek |
| 18:08.28 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: what is it actually ? |
| 18:08.29 | Icb3a | wath do you mean by atm ? |
| 18:08.33 | Linux_Freek | Oh..ok |
| 18:08.43 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: guide me .. |
| 18:08.49 | zasz | I have a question. I have alot of static routes, a good amount are in /etc/network/interfaces, and the others were loaded from an rc.local file. The rc.local file is not in the debians startup routine though, so I am curious, how does debian remember those routes? |
| 18:09.09 | zasz | is there another routing file somewhere |
| 18:09.10 | kementeus | linux_freek: http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Hardware_Compatibility |
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| 18:09.22 | valdyn | zasz: not really |
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| 18:09.25 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 18:09.25 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 18:09.37 | zasz | like I said |
| 18:09.42 | Icb3a | if some one have a brute forcer. It's really my server. I can brute force this one. event else the IDS is warming up :) |
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| 18:09.44 | whazilla | !ssp |
| 18:09.44 | dpkg | ssp is, like, http://www.research.ibm.com/trl/projects/security/ssp/ |
| 18:09.46 | anarcat | DiaboluZ: yes, see snapshot.debian.net... you need to add it to your sources.list |
| 18:09.47 | zasz | rc.local is not in it's start up |
| 18:09.55 | anarcat | DiaboluZ: in theory, it works, never tried it |
| 18:09.55 | zasz | how's it remembering routes then |
| 18:10.00 | whazilla | !remove libssp |
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| 18:10.07 | maher | Icb3a: do you have the password hash? |
| 18:10.19 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: so i have to buy a new one ? |
| 18:10.19 | kementeus | ok ok linux_freek, could you send me a compress file of your 2.6 drivers to my gmail mail? |
| 18:10.24 | whazilla | !libssp |
| 18:10.28 | whazilla | !ProPolice |
| 18:10.29 | Icb3a | the shadow isn't viewable by simple user :/ |
| 18:10.30 | valdyn | zasz: we cant know what exactly you did to set that up, give us information, like your routing table and your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 18:10.38 | whazilla | !remove ProPolice |
| 18:10.47 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: i don`t have a 2.6 driver only the c program |
| 18:10.48 | kementeus | linux_freek: i would try to compile by myself, if it compile probably it would work |
| 18:11.03 | JJCale | stew: I will certain hang around here! At this precise moment I'm donaloading debian etch rc1 |
| 18:11.08 | kementeus | linux_freek: i mean that driver, the source code or the directory with the source code |
| 18:11.19 | Linux_Freek | shall i paste the c program in the paste bin ? you can take it from there |
| 18:11.37 | Linux_Freek | ok.. /msg me your email adrs |
| 18:11.37 | stew | whazilla: how did you install propolice? |
| 18:11.43 | zasz | valdyn it wasn't me, the person who set this up copy and pasted the route commands from rc.local |
| 18:11.54 | zasz | and then I later added routes to /etc/networking/interfaces (the properway) |
| 18:12.04 | zasz | so my question is, where are these other routes stored |
| 18:12.06 | valdyn | zasz: nice, what a moron, ask him? |
| 18:12.15 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: email adrs ? |
| 18:12.29 | valdyn | zasz: there's a gazillion ways how someone can circumvent debians standard mechanisms.. |
| 18:12.31 | zasz | so valdyn, you agree then, there must be another file? |
| 18:12.35 | whazilla | i have ubuntu its standard on ubuntu edgy but im banned ther |
| 18:12.35 | stew | anarcat: according to the security team, proftpd just wasn't built on amd64 yet, but should be sometime in the future |
| 18:12.39 | zasz | yes, it's terribly annoying |
| 18:12.39 | whazilla | stew |
| 18:12.40 | maher | zasz: are you sure they get recreated on reboot? |
| 18:12.47 | zasz | maher: 100% |
| 18:12.54 | JJCale | could you point (give links) to any howtos explaining hot to do distro upgrades on debian? |
| 18:12.58 | valdyn | zasz: you should search the files that dpkg explained above |
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| 18:13.03 | zasz | roger |
| 18:13.06 | maher | zasz: i duno - try grep -iR route /etc |
| 18:13.09 | anarcat | stew: thanks... where did you get that info? :) |
| 18:13.19 | stew | anarcat: #debian-security on irc.debian.org |
| 18:13.21 | valdyn | zasz: or soemthing like 'grep -R route /etc/' |
| 18:13.35 | maher | JJCale: each new release comes with release notes which tell you how to upgrade |
| 18:13.46 | whazilla | i have noclue do i |
| 18:13.47 | Seb__ | sup y'all |
| 18:13.52 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: hello ! |
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| 18:14.04 | Seb__ | would a 586 kernel work on an amd64 proc ? |
| 18:14.13 | maher | JJCale: the real problems are if you decide you need to upgrade db's to new versions - but you can always keep the old versions while you plot the transition |
| 18:14.15 | stew | Seb__: yes |
| 18:14.19 | Habbie | Seb__, i would surely assume so |
| 18:14.23 | anarcat | stew: aaah :) cool, thanks |
| 18:14.26 | kementeus | linux_freek: sorry, i was looking at the problems of my server |
| 18:14.35 | Linux_Freek | oh..ok |
| 18:14.37 | Linux_Freek | thats ok |
| 18:14.38 | kementeus | linux_freek: kementeus@gmail.com |
| 18:14.54 | kementeus | i still having the postfix-mysql auth trouble |
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| 18:15.04 | zasz | ok i got it figured out |
| 18:15.07 | zasz | thanks valdyn |
| 18:15.11 | zasz | they are using quagga |
| 18:15.34 | zasz | heh and openvpn |
| 18:15.35 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: sent! |
| 18:15.39 | zasz | what a fucking mess :( |
| 18:15.51 | Seb__ | stew: thanks a lot |
| 18:16.02 | JJCale | and it is possible and easy to make stable -> testing upgrades, for instance from the upcomiing etch stable to lenny? it will also be only a matter of aptitude upgrade ? |
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| 18:16.23 | zasz | valdyn: the routes are in the quagga config file and the openvpn config |
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| 18:16.25 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: send the module back once you have compiled it.. |
| 18:16.37 | valdyn | zasz: i see |
| 18:18.14 | maher | JJCale: you can always change from one version to a newer one - you can't change back (easily) |
| 18:18.39 | maher | JJCale: sometime stuff is broken in testing/unstable so changing to those may have undesired consequences |
| 18:18.42 | Seb__ | stew: would you happen to know if that same 586 kernel would work on an intel-based mac ? |
| 18:18.44 | zasz | it seems I've exaggerated, the routes in the openvpn configs are commented out |
| 18:18.48 | zasz | looks like it's just quagga |
| 18:18.50 | Seb__ | stew: i'm just unsure what type of proc is in those... |
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| 18:19.35 | maher | Seb__: should do - i use 686 on mine |
| 18:19.37 | kementeus | linux_freek: so, you are living in india |
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| 18:19.50 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: ya.. |
| 18:19.51 | kementeus | I don't know if that network cards are selling in any other place :S |
| 18:19.59 | kementeus | I've never heard about intex |
| 18:20.04 | Seb__ | maher: ah, k, that's good to know |
| 18:20.06 | Seb__ | maher: thanks man |
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| 18:20.35 | zasz | heh nice it's running ospf and bgp |
| 18:20.38 | zasz | totally un needed |
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| 18:21.01 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: i just did a bit of shopping for the uncle nextdoor,he wanted a dvd writer.. i ended up buying this lan card,a mouse and a usb hub.. |
| 18:21.12 | maher | Seb__: btw i found getting debian on the mac-mini's slightly painful - you have to things like upgrade the firmwares / /install bootcamp etc. I haven't been able to work out how to update the refit (the boot loader) without booting back to mac osx |
| 18:21.23 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: intex is an indian make |
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| 18:22.29 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: you think i should write them a mail about their cheating ? |
| 18:22.48 | kementeus | nah, they would do nothing |
| 18:22.50 | JJCale | but supoose I'm with a stable release.... and I need a new version of an application that I can only find on testing repositories... The safer way to get the new version of that application is to do a distro upgrade, from stable to testing? Or is safe to only install the new deb on the current stable distro? |
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| 18:23.05 | maher | JJCale: backports.org |
| 18:23.10 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: The box says "made in china" |
| 18:23.13 | zasz | bah on quagga |
| 18:23.33 | rgsteele | JJCale: also, if backports.org doesn't have it, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:23.38 | zasz | why would you use quagga instead of /etc/network/interfaces for simple static routes |
| 18:23.43 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: so its compiling ? |
| 18:23.44 | zasz | its not like we're doing ospf or bgp |
| 18:23.54 | zasz | those consultants just want to mess me up |
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| 18:24.10 | rgsteele | JJCale: Of course, you can replace sid with etch. I recently did that for an application, as I run Sarge on our clusters as well. |
| 18:24.11 | JJCale | thanks :) |
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| 18:24.20 | kementeus | linux_freek: what kernel version are you using right now? |
| 18:24.27 | Linux_Freek | one sec.. |
| 18:24.47 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: 2.6.16-2-K7 |
| 18:25.13 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: i can`t use this module for other versions of Debian ? |
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| 18:25.52 | maher | Linux_Freek: kernel modules are (usually) tied to a particular kernel |
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| 18:26.20 | Linux_Freek | oh.. hmm... i thought i could use that for all versions |
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| 18:26.52 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: anyway i can compile on my own when i install another version ? |
| 18:26.58 | kementeus | no, kernel modules are tied to the kernel compiled with |
| 18:27.19 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: then how will what u compile work with mine ? |
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| 18:27.51 | Linux_Freek | what does the K7 stand for in 2.6.16-2-K7 ? |
| 18:28.05 | JJCale | debian offers automatic debs updates, for newer versions of applications? or only offers automatic security updates and patches? |
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| 18:29.28 | heh_v_water | K7 stands for relatively modern AMD processors |
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| 18:30.26 | heh_v_water | JJCale, Debian stable releases never get new software added in their lifetime.. testing gets new software all the time.. once testing goes stable.. what is there is there.. then they only do security updates |
| 18:30.41 | Ban_Evader | good morning |
| 18:31.06 | Linux_Freek | heh_v_water: ok.. thanks |
| 18:31.09 | Ban_Evader | heh_v_water, that kind of makes testing a better idea than stable, doesn't it? |
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| 18:31.36 | Ronin | Ban_Evader: not at all |
| 18:31.36 | maher | Ban_Evader: ummm... better for what? |
| 18:31.42 | Eulex | all depends on what you want... |
| 18:31.42 | stew | Ban_Evader: testing doesn't get timely security updates however |
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| 18:31.59 | Ban_Evader | better for sick folk with a lot of time on their hands |
| 18:32.03 | Ban_Evader | <----- like me |
| 18:32.15 | DerJamster | ~Testing is the worst of the three, security-wise. stable gets the patches ASAP. Unstable gets the newest versions rather fast, anyways. |
| 18:32.17 | apt | nothing |
| 18:32.23 | DerJamster | er..whoops |
| 18:32.23 | blondie | Ban_Evader: yes, very good. |
| 18:32.32 | DerJamster | But Testing makes a nice desktop. |
| 18:32.43 | heh_v_water | Ban_Evader, well yes and no.. testing is more ideal if your waiting for that certain package to get done and want it as soon as possible.. stable is better for production servers |
| 18:33.10 | Ban_Evader | the problem is arent the stable packages REALLY old? |
| 18:33.30 | Ronin | Ban_Evader: not REALLY old, not brand new either though |
| 18:33.33 | Ban_Evader | I rmeember tvtime the last time I checked was an extremely old version |
| 18:33.40 | heh_v_water | Ban_Evader, not REALLY old.. a year maybe but they are stable and security is managed well on them |
| 18:33.46 | Ban_Evader | Hmm |
| 18:33.54 | DerJamster | Stable's packages are about one year old now. |
| 18:34.04 | DerJamster | some perhaps a little more. |
| 18:34.05 | Ban_Evader | we'll see , im t5rying out testing now, it was a really eady install |
| 18:34.06 | JJCale | hesh_v_water so the easier way to one always automatically have the newer software versions is to always be with a debian testing release? |
| 18:34.09 | Ban_Evader | one year isnt too bad |
| 18:34.13 | kementeus | linux_freek: i have some troubles compiling your module |
| 18:34.20 | kementeus | do you want to try by yourself? |
| 18:34.22 | heh_v_water | no one year isnt |
| 18:34.26 | kementeus | I could say you what to do |
| 18:34.55 | heh_v_water | JJCale, yes but you have to realize sometimes testing breaks things.. I can recall times when entire KDE and gnome were broken in testing |
| 18:35.13 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: ok.. |
| 18:35.17 | Linux_Freek | tell me |
| 18:35.24 | Linux_Freek | do i have to be root ? |
| 18:35.27 | heh_v_water | I believe the last time gnome was broken bad was when they went to XML |
| 18:35.33 | Ban_Evader | if that happens i'll kill myslef |
| 18:35.48 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: first step ? |
| 18:36.10 | heh_v_water | you just have to realize that things get broken because this new thing has been updated and this thing has not yet |
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| 18:37.06 | kementeus | linux_freek: do you have your linux-tree source code installed in debian? |
| 18:37.09 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: shall i run make ? |
| 18:37.12 | heh_v_water | BTW somebody mentioned security in testing.. IIRC they implemented security with etch months ago.. although I'm not sure how that works with it being in testing |
| 18:37.17 | Linux_Freek | i don`t think so.. |
| 18:37.28 | Linux_Freek | nope |
| 18:37.36 | kementeus | so, go and install the linux-tree for your kernel |
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| 18:37.48 | Linux_Freek | i have not setup my repos`s .. |
| 18:37.59 | heh_v_water | right now about every three days I upgrade etch and it usually has over 100MB of updates each time |
| 18:38.14 | heh_v_water | but then i have over 3500 packages installed on thsi machine |
| 18:38.16 | stew | heh_v_water: the testing seucrity repository has only gotten 6 or 7 updates since it was created for etch |
| 18:38.21 | heh_v_water | the more you install with testing the more work it is |
| 18:38.39 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: where can i install it from ? |
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| 18:39.01 | abrotman | heh_v_water: it really doesn't |
| 18:39.04 | stew | heh_v_water: the testing security team concentrates on moving the packages with security updates from usntable to tesing in 48 hours when it is possible, but it ins't always possible. and for this reason, the testing security team doesn't recommend using it for internet facing servers |
| 18:39.25 | abrotman | hehe .. JJCale |
| 18:39.32 | JJCale | heh_v_water: well, one more reason to have /home in it's own partition.... if something or the entire system breaks, it's only a matter of doing a clean install and after that I will have all applications automatically configured the some way I had previously, because all application's configuration files are saved on /home... am I correct? |
| 18:40.17 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: is it this one ? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux&searchon=sourcenames&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 18:40.23 | heh_v_water | JJCale, this system i am using started as Debian Potato.. I do everything I can to keep it rolling and it seems to work lol |
| 18:40.46 | heh_v_water | sometimes this is broken sometimes that.. sometimes i can fix, sometimes i have to wait for an update |
| 18:40.54 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: what are you looking to do? |
| 18:41.06 | Linux_Freek | install the kernel source |
| 18:41.11 | Linux_Freek | my kernel is |
| 18:41.14 | kementeus | try apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.16 |
| 18:41.16 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 18:41.19 | Linux_Freek | 2.6.16-2-K7 ? |
| 18:41.20 | kementeus | or something like that |
| 18:41.25 | abrotman | not even close |
| 18:41.29 | Linux_Freek | my repos are empty |
| 18:41.34 | abrotman | kementeus: which version of linux are you running ? |
| 18:41.49 | kementeus | is not for me, its for linux_freek |
| 18:41.50 | heh_v_water | Although most of us know they wont work in a newer system i never uninstall my old kernels.. kind of my way of documenting where this machine has been.. I have 2.2 kernels in my grub menu :P |
| 18:41.55 | abrotman | kementeus: i realize that |
| 18:42.02 | kementeus | he says is using a 2.6.16-k7 kernel |
| 18:42.19 | kementeus | i still using the 2.6.8 :P |
| 18:42.28 | stew | kementeus: 2.6.16 is no longer in debian |
| 18:42.32 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: which version of linux are you on? |
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| 18:42.42 | Linux_Freek | Debian etch testing |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: what's your CPU ? |
| 18:42.49 | stew | kementeus: why would he want linux-tree anyway? |
| 18:42.59 | Linux_Freek | amd athlon xp 2000+ |
| 18:43.01 | kementeus | stew: to compile the kernel module maybe? |
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| 18:43.12 | heh_v_water | he needs kernel source/headers |
| 18:43.40 | stew | kementeus: heh_v_water: he'd only need linux-headers, however headers for his kernel are no longer available |
| 18:43.47 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 linux-source-2.6.17 linux-headers-2.6-k7 |
| 18:44.06 | heh_v_water | easieest way to prepare to build modules that I have found even if your gonna compile by hand is to use m-a and tel lit to prepare the system |
| 18:44.09 | Linux_Freek | my repo is empty what do i add to apt/source.lst ? |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: paste them |
| 18:44.18 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:44.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:44.20 | n3kl | I have a user account that drops files on my machine everyday from a windows box using winscp. Currently I have a root cron job to change the permissions on the files every fifteen minutes so that another user can move them out. Is there a way that anyone can think of so that I do not have a cronjob? Would a umask be what I am looking for? |
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| 18:44.47 | Linux_Freek | paste what ? |
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| 18:45.05 | abrotman | your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:45.07 | n3kl | Similar to what vsftpd can do |
| 18:45.12 | Linux_Freek | ok.. |
| 18:45.28 | Ilovemypuppy | if I'm using stable and I only want one or two packages from testing, can I take those .deb's and install them? |
| 18:45.39 | Ilovemypuppy | do testing debs install on stable? |
| 18:45.54 | Linux_Freek | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4663 |
| 18:45.58 | Linux_Freek | there... |
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| 18:46.15 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: no, use backports: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:46.22 | heh_v_water | Ilovemypuppy, sometimes yes but it's not recommended, you can end up with stuck packages.. somebody here can point you to backports though |
| 18:47.06 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4663 |
| 18:47.08 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah the backports seems a lot smarter |
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| 18:47.23 | Ilovemypuppy | Im going to want an up-to-date kernel and tvtime package |
| 18:47.40 | Ilovemypuppy | thank you all |
| 18:47.41 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: which country are you in ? |
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| 18:47.47 | valdyn | !wikifaq n3kl Permissions |
| 18:47.48 | dpkg | n3kl: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:47.49 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: India.. |
| 18:48.39 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: add "deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian etch main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:49.04 | heh_v_water | how can he be etch and not have a repo? Etch installer? |
| 18:49.11 | abrotman | CD1 perhaps |
| 18:49.18 | stew | heh_v_water: he has a etch cd1 repository |
| 18:49.26 | heh_v_water | ahh |
| 18:49.26 | Linux_Freek | added.... |
| 18:49.37 | Linux_Freek | heh_v_water: yes ! |
| 18:49.38 | maher | n3kl: there are lots of ways to do it - you put both users in the same group for example... |
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| 18:49.51 | n3kl | valdyn: is there something specific that I am looking for? I understand how unix permissions work. |
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| 18:50.01 | valdyn | n3kl: the sticky bit |
| 18:50.14 | valdyn | n3kl: for directories |
| 18:50.38 | n3kl | valdyn: ah |
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| 18:50.54 | n3kl | could I use umask 002 or something in the login profile? |
| 18:51.13 | kementeus | linux_freek: I am going to take a shower |
| 18:51.27 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: hey wait.. |
| 18:52.06 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: then run apt-get update .. and try to install them again |
| 18:52.32 | valdyn | n3kl: i wouldnt recommend messing with umask for this, as the sticky bit is in place visible and easy to maintain |
| 18:52.33 | Linux_Freek | doing that... |
| 18:52.39 | Linux_Freek | 65% over |
| 18:52.49 | n3kl | valdyn: I need to be able to remove the files from the directory |
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| 18:53.01 | valdyn | n3kl: whos I ? root? |
| 18:54.58 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4664 |
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| 18:55.32 | Linux_Freek | i tried installing gaim earlier today but then i didn`t install it.. now i get these errors |
| 18:55.45 | n3kl | valdyn: user1 drops the files and is a member of group ftp, user2 pulls files and removes them from the directory that user1 dropped into and is also a member of group ftp. Root's crontab runs chmod g+rwx /dir every fifteen minutes |
| 18:56.07 | thelostbutler | hello folks, in what was does one define the env variable http_proxy ? is export HTTP_PROXY=localhost:8080 correct ? |
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| 18:56.23 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: how long will you be in this channel ? |
| 18:56.37 | cahoot | 10 years? |
| 18:57.01 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: a bit |
| 18:57.08 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: its 1 pm and i am really sleepy.. |
| 18:57.14 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: its 1 am and i am really sleepy.. |
| 18:57.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.27 | Linux_Freek | link please |
| 18:57.27 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: so go to sleep .. there are people here 24 hours a day |
| 18:57.32 | kementeus | here 12:57pm and day is starting :P |
| 18:57.39 | Linux_Freek | heh |
| 18:57.44 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: just go to sleep .. people will be here later to help you |
| 18:57.53 | kementeus | linux_freek: go and sleep, the module doesn't compile |
| 18:57.56 | kementeus | is broken |
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| 18:58.10 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: so i can give the card back to the dealer.. |
| 18:58.13 | kementeus | so I guess it could not be installed today |
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| 18:58.25 | kementeus | yep, go and ask for a more generic network card |
| 18:58.33 | abrotman | FA311 |
| 18:58.35 | kementeus | something like an intel or a REAL rtl |
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| 18:58.48 | kementeus | maybe a via or dlink |
| 18:58.55 | Linux_Freek | kementeus: my first lan card and it doesn`t work :( |
| 18:59.03 | n3kl | I want to aviod the fifteen minute interval |
| 18:59.07 | kementeus | sorry, it happens :( |
| 18:59.08 | h3sp4wn | via rhine stuff is horrible |
| 18:59.18 | valdyn | n3kl: directory owner can delete files, not one else can, if you set the sticky bit, that's what you want, isn't it? |
| 18:59.19 | Linux_Freek | i can keep buying.. my parents will freak out . |
| 18:59.25 | Linux_Freek | can = can`t |
| 18:59.25 | kementeus | h3sp4wm: but it works |
| 18:59.37 | abrotman | so exchange it |
| 18:59.41 | h3sp4wn | kementeus: Not well enough for me to ever recommend it |
| 18:59.46 | kementeus | go and exchange it |
| 18:59.46 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: will he take it? |
| 18:59.52 | heh_v_water | 3coms are almost guaranteed to work fo rthe most part |
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| 19:00.03 | kementeus | via is cheap and works, well, realtek too |
| 19:00.04 | Linux_Freek | i will try .. |
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| 19:00.22 | Traveler | X system freezing with logitech wireless mouse. connected to ps/2 . with acpi=off noacpi on boot |
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| 19:00.31 | kementeus | linux_freek: go and sleep |
| 19:00.36 | Linux_Freek | that guy didn`t have much of a choice.. he only five of these cards and thats it! |
| 19:00.44 | Linux_Freek | gn guys.. |
| 19:01.05 | maher | n3kl: set the group sticky bit on the dir you are putting things into - i.e. chmod g+sw target |
| 19:01.07 | kementeus | go and ask for another, but not intex |
| 19:01.22 | maher | n3kl: then set chown user1:group target |
| 19:01.38 | maher | n3kl: now everything created in targer has group group |
| 19:01.40 | Linux_Freek | ok.. or i will stick with the usb modem.. i heard its better to connect via a lan card than usb |
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| 19:02.14 | n3kl | I get it, that makes sense |
| 19:02.14 | n3kl | maher: thanks |
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| 19:02.40 | maxamillion | does aptitude have an equivalent to apt-get update --fix-broken or does it just resolve issues like that for you? |
| 19:02.50 | Linux_Freek | bye |
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| 19:03.10 | stew | maxamillion: aptitude has -f |
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| 19:03.37 | maxamillion | stew: ohhhhh ok |
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| 19:04.07 | maxamillion | stew: thanks .... i've been a long time apt-get user and just recently started reading about the advantages of aptitude, trying to convert over |
| 19:04.52 | stew | maxamillion: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README is a good read |
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| 19:05.04 | maher | maxamillion: bow before the mighty power of dselect! |
| 19:05.21 | RvGaTe | whahahahhahha !!! :D, i went to the room next door to grab something, some paper... then i noticed my dad clicking away all the windows very quickly... :D hahaha |
| 19:06.05 | Habbie | teach the guy some shortcuts :) |
| 19:06.12 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 19:06.22 | maxamillion | maher: dselect? |
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| 19:07.22 | maher | maxamillion: i was being facetious - its an older gui front end to apt / dpkg - aptitude has extra features |
| 19:07.26 | maxamillion | maher: nvm ... man dselect ftw |
| 19:07.34 | maxamillion | :P |
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| 19:11.38 | non | mmmmmm |
| 19:12.02 | blondie | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:12.11 | tapion | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:12.12 | cusco | hello |
| 19:12.13 | tapion | :P |
| 19:12.20 | non | ciao a tutti |
| 19:12.24 | solemnwarning | I want to put an ftpd on a DVR box, is there an FTPD in the repos that just needs me to set a few options and is nice and fast? |
| 19:12.24 | pickcoder | grrr I'm having issues with Zebranet print servers and cups |
| 19:12.25 | blondie | what? |
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| 19:12.40 | non | i speak english |
| 19:12.44 | non | and italian |
| 19:12.47 | non | and spanish |
| 19:12.49 | non | and polish |
| 19:12.50 | pickcoder | when they change the label roll, the printer goes offline and cups stops spooling jobs with a "stopped" state |
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| 19:12.53 | w0jtas | hi, i have 5 ips for my machine, must i set this ip's in some configuration on linux or no ?? |
| 19:12.53 | non | and french |
| 19:13.14 | pickcoder | however, when it comes back online, cups never picks up on that and the spool sits there until I hack the printers.conf status and restart cups |
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| 19:16.09 | w0jtas | hello ?! who help me ? |
| 19:16.50 | pickcoder | hm.. actually that printer has a D-link pocket server |
| 19:16.54 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 19:26.55 | abrotman | MOOSE! |
| 19:27.18 | CharminTheMoose | A brotman! |
| 19:27.20 | CharminTheMoose | or A brot man even |
| 19:27.28 | w0rd54 | borat? |
| 19:27.29 | w0rd54 | is that you? |
| 19:28.28 | CharminTheMoose | question:I'm making a small linux distro and pam complains to me when i attempt to login as root 'PERMISSION DENIED!!!!' |
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| 19:28.49 | CharminTheMoose | what config file do i change to make pam/login accept root logins |
| 19:29.51 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: this channel is for Debian questions |
| 19:30.14 | CharminTheMoose | ah sorry |
| 19:30.15 | maher | boratman: you always say that when you odn't know the answer |
| 19:30.16 | CharminTheMoose | my bad |
| 19:30.42 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: look at /etc/securetty perhaps |
| 19:31.05 | abrotman | maher: heh |
| 19:31.37 | Homer | does JPG support transparancy? |
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| 19:31.48 | amphi | Homer: no |
| 19:31.49 | CharminTheMoose | amphi:standard consoles are there tty1 to tty63 |
| 19:31.55 | CharminTheMoose | and they're not commented out |
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| 19:41.14 | mbadaro | Hello everyone, anyone know of any good fair-share schedulers for linux? |
| 19:41.37 | abrotman | kernel scheduler? |
| 19:41.58 | mbadaro | (CPU schedulers that give fair share based on users/groups rather than just processes) |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
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| 19:43.41 | tarzeau | i know of and and cpulimit |
| 19:44.02 | tarzeau | and for many computers there's condor to fairly share computing power |
| 19:44.12 | mbadaro | "of" |
| 19:44.13 | mbadaro | ? |
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| 19:44.29 | mbadaro | sorry |
| 19:44.32 | tarzeau | apt-cache show and |
| 19:44.35 | mbadaro | what were you saying, tarzeau? |
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| 19:45.04 | abrotman | mbadaro: ask #kernel |
| 19:45.10 | tarzeau | i was saying that if you want to share computing power, say of 10, 100, 1000+ computers, you're good with wisconsin condor |
| 19:45.14 | mbadaro | i am |
| 19:45.19 | h3sp4wn | mbadaro: Have you looked at the -ck server patchset |
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| 19:46.44 | mbadaro | so so you don't know of any existing well-known packages for it |
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| 19:48.33 | timthelion | hey, for some reason, on my debian sid box, xrandr does not contain the correct resolution for my monitor and /etc/X11 does not exsist so I cannot add it. also, xorg -configure and xf86configure give me command not found. |
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| 19:49.13 | rvsjoen | is dpkg-reconfigure xorg an option ? |
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| 19:49.34 | pickcoder | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:50.14 | rvsjoen | of course :) |
| 19:50.15 | virus | I got to set up a new server running Python, PostgreSQL and Lighttpd - I currently wonder If I should stick to sarge and install the stuff from source, use backports or upgrade to etch, even though it's not really ready, yet. |
| 19:50.23 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 19:50.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 19:50.49 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 19:50.49 | dpkg | simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 19:51.14 | timthelion | pickcoder: ah, thanks |
| 19:51.25 | fasta | What package contains the info page for printf? |
| 19:51.28 | w0jtas | hi, i have 5 ips for my servers, do i have to set it in my linux configuration ? |
| 19:51.37 | pickcoder | C printf() ? |
| 19:52.17 | cydork | w0jtas, man interfaces.. |
| 19:52.39 | pickcoder | C function manpages should be part of libc6-dev |
| 19:52.49 | fasta | pickcoder: yes |
| 19:52.54 | virus | w0jtas, if you want to use your additional IPs you got to set them up using either real hardware interface (i doubt you got 5 NICs) or set up aliases. e.g. ifconfig eth0:0 <ip> ... you can set up those interfaces in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:53.05 | fasta | pickcoder: The _info_ page. |
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| 19:53.34 | pickcoder | oh |
| 19:53.45 | rvsjoen | Does C functions even have their own info page ? |
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| 19:53.59 | cydork | w0jtas, for ip aliases /msg dpkg ipalias |
| 19:54.01 | pickcoder | printf does |
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| 19:54.33 | pickcoder | hm |
| 19:54.36 | pickcoder | just the man page |
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| 19:55.35 | rvsjoen | 'man printf' and 'info printf' contains exactly the same information on my machine. And it's for the unix printf command, not the C function... |
| 19:55.46 | pickcoder | yup |
| 19:56.11 | pickcoder | man 3 printf |
| 19:56.32 | rvsjoen | ah |
| 19:56.40 | pickcoder | 3 is the library section of man |
| 19:56.43 | schme | rvsjoen: try apropos printf |
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| 19:57.30 | rvsjoen | hey, useful command ;) |
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| 19:59.04 | AllNewNickname | whats the current "stable" kernel? |
| 19:59.25 | heh_v_water | 2.6.8 |
| 19:59.34 | AllNewNickname | JHC |
| 19:59.36 | abrotman | or 2.4.17 |
| 19:59.38 | abrotman | erm .. 27 |
| 19:59.51 | AllNewNickname | hooray for backports, jesus |
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| 20:01.24 | blondie | AllNewNickname: cry! |
| 20:01.38 | AllNewNickname | :(( wah!!!! |
| 20:02.01 | aaaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.23 | rumpl | sad huh |
| 20:02.58 | AllNewNickname | ati is such a bummer in linux!!!! |
| 20:03.21 | AllNewNickname | my mx440 works better than my x800gto |
| 20:03.24 | aaaa | I know that but I need a solution :) |
| 20:03.28 | AllNewNickname | in linux anyhow |
| 20:03.38 | AllNewNickname | aaaa, you gotta use the driver from ATI |
| 20:03.51 | AllNewNickname | and the xorg.conf setup is atrocious as well |
| 20:03.54 | stew | AllNewNickname: why not the open source driver? |
| 20:03.56 | stew | aaaa: did you enable aiglx in your xorg.conf? |
| 20:04.01 | YesDad | not sure |
| 20:04.03 | rumpl | AllNewNickname, I see you never tryied Sis. |
| 20:04.15 | AllNewNickname | stew, because when it works, it REALLY works |
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| 20:04.21 | AllNewNickname | the ATI driver |
| 20:04.23 | aaaa | the aiglx is activated in xorg.conf |
| 20:04.26 | stew | AllNewNickname: aiglx supports the non-free driver? |
| 20:04.36 | AllNewNickname | rumpl, no, never tried SIS. I dont buy SIS mobo's if I can help it |
| 20:04.41 | aaaa | the fglrx can't support aiglx |
| 20:04.49 | abrotman | not yet anyways |
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| 20:04.53 | stew | i didn't think so |
| 20:05.01 | AllNewNickname | aaaa, Im sorry to hear that :( |
| 20:05.16 | AllNewNickname | the nvidia driver does... |
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| 20:05.33 | AllNewNickname | I dont know if my old, cheap POS card on my server does |
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| 20:05.38 | aaaa | with ubuntu Ican use beryl but with debian not |
| 20:05.41 | AllNewNickname | I bet the one on my workstation will though |
| 20:05.57 | stew | aaaa: have you tried using the xorg.conf from ubuntu? |
| 20:05.58 | h3sp4wn | aaaa: beryl is not in debian |
| 20:06.02 | AllNewNickname | ubuntu puts the non-free drivers into a package you can apt-get - so nice |
| 20:06.32 | aaaa | I installed beryl with ubuntu packages on debian |
| 20:06.47 | aaaa | the xorgs are the same |
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| 20:07.05 | AllNewNickname | im not even worried about putting a gui on this box |
| 20:07.11 | AllNewNickname | the server anyhow |
| 20:07.17 | stew | aaaa: you shoudln't be installing ubuntu packages directly onto debian |
| 20:07.20 | AllNewNickname | its an overclocked celeron, 3.65 |
| 20:07.35 | Eulex | aaaa, are you sure? is it the same version of xorg and its drivers? and what error do you get on debian? |
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| 20:08.14 | aaaa | kwin dies and after I haven't any window manager |
| 20:08.14 | dm_ | Trying to crop a ps/pdf file I found the pkg "flpsed" but that doesn't support such. Does anyone know another pkg that can edit ps? |
| 20:08.31 | AllNewNickname | I just want the thing to be a web/mail/file server |
| 20:09.03 | AllNewNickname | the thing I remember about debian is that the apt-get package database was abso0fin-lutely enormous |
| 20:09.16 | AllNewNickname | like gentoo's |
| 20:09.34 | AllNewNickname | gentoo's is the biggest ive ever seen, they have EVERYTHING but I lack the patience to figure out the variables |
| 20:09.40 | w0rd54 | gentoo has a huge package availabily |
| 20:09.46 | stew | AllNewNickname: if you have a debian related question, just ask it |
| 20:09.51 | w0rd54 | but it's quite buggy in my experience...I dropped gentoo like 6 months back |
| 20:10.12 | stew | w0rd54: AllNewNickname: please keep it on-topic |
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| 20:10.23 | AllNewNickname | ? |
| 20:10.41 | stew | AllNewNickname: a gentoo discussion would be off-topic here |
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| 20:11.19 | AllNewNickname | anyhow - when I want to put a gui on, Im looking at gnome - I was wondering what i need to put on, or if there's a debian equivalent to gnome-light |
| 20:11.30 | stew | AllNewNickname: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:11.40 | AllNewNickname | thx |
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| 20:11.52 | schme | What is gnome-light? |
| 20:12.26 | azeem | a less-than-everything instal of GNOME, I assume |
| 20:12.37 | AllNewNickname | stew, SWEET! so gnome-core is just bare gnome? |
| 20:12.55 | azeem | depends on your understanding of "bare gnome" |
| 20:13.12 | stew | AllNewNickname: gnome-session is probably less |
| 20:13.51 | azeem | if you include the Recommends |
| 20:14.01 | azeem | if not, you don't get much of GNOME at all, AFAICT |
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| 20:14.23 | pavel_ | hello |
| 20:14.40 | pipeline | gnome-core gets you just enough to start something that looks like a gnome desktop :P |
| 20:14.52 | pavel_ | does anybody know how to convert 3gp to avi? I cannot do it |
| 20:14.53 | Phated | AllNewNickname: Why don't you use apt-cache show <package> and see what each of those packages consists of? |
| 20:15.15 | rvsjoen | I need to set up an ftp server with virtual users, no heavy loads or anything. But i'm having a hard time choosing between pureftpd and proftpd. Does anyone have experience with virtual users on these two daemons ? |
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| 20:15.36 | AllNewNickname | im going to check things out now, I want to get httpd and some kinda small, light, secure mail server set up |
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| 20:15.48 | numer | can someone tell me what ssl package is needed for apache2 |
| 20:15.50 | azeem | AllNewNickname: that doesn't sound like gnome |
| 20:16.28 | schme | GNOME on a web/mail server :) |
| 20:16.35 | Phated | ... why? |
| 20:16.50 | stew | numer: the apache2 package includes ssl |
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| 20:19.22 | hairy_potter | why is this channel so silent today? :) |
| 20:19.49 | stew | hairy_potter: debian is so excellent today that not many people need help |
| 20:20.08 | hairy_potter | stew: hehe |
| 20:20.40 | hairy_potter | Do you guys agree that debian, these days, is being taken over by ubuntu in terms of adoption? |
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| 20:20.52 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: full disagree |
| 20:20.54 | bronze_|| | "adoption rate", yes |
| 20:21.05 | bronze_|| | core of code, no |
| 20:21.12 | cydork | hairy_potter, hell no! :) |
| 20:21.13 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: ubuntu has very outdated packages, or doesn't even have them. that debina has |
| 20:21.18 | AllNewNickname | ive installed testing, not stable. my mistake. |
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| 20:21.34 | tarzeau | besides ubuntu ships very poorly tested software |
| 20:21.37 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: well, you must be talking about sid or whatever. |
| 20:21.39 | tarzeau | x with huge memory leaks? |
| 20:21.45 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: which is debian |
| 20:21.51 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: and there's backports.org |
| 20:21.55 | jaye_ | Hey does anyone know if a hotspare on a hardware raid array can be used accross channels? |
| 20:21.59 | AllNewNickname | etch is testing? |
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| 20:22.02 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: is there a 'production ready' debian distro that has the latest and stable of all packages? |
| 20:22.02 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: and yes i run several (150) sarge machines at work |
| 20:22.03 | azeem | AllNewNickname: yes |
| 20:22.12 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: debian stable is production ready |
| 20:22.19 | fasta | tarzeau: X has huge memory leaks in some cases. |
| 20:22.27 | azeem | hairy_potter: production ready and latest don't go together |
| 20:22.33 | stew | AllNewNickname: testing is not a good idea for servers |
| 20:22.38 | tarzeau | fasta: i haven't noticed any such bad ones like in ubuntu in debian stable |
| 20:22.50 | fasta | tarzeau: me neither |
| 20:22.51 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: yes, that is my point: debian stable has pretty old packages. Ubuntu's stable has the latest and stablest. |
| 20:22.59 | styvy | ubuntu can't exist without debian, but vice versa can easily |
| 20:23.11 | fasta | Pointless discussion... |
| 20:23.18 | azeem | people, this is off-topic |
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| 20:23.31 | AllNewNickname | stew, you'd reccomend stable? |
| 20:23.33 | azeem | hairy_potter: as you started it, you will finish first |
| 20:23.39 | stew | AllNewNickname: yes, testing doesn't get timely security updates |
| 20:23.58 | hairy_potter | azeem: my point is very simple. If you visit a given package 'foo's home page, its latest "stable" version would be pretty newer than the debian stable version of the same package. |
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| 20:24.16 | azeem | hairy_potter: that doesn't mean the latest version is the most stable |
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| 20:24.36 | azeem | hairy_potter: if you do not want to deal with this, use something else, but discuss this elsewhere |
| 20:24.42 | heh_v_water | somebody needs to put a factoid about how stable/testing/unstable work |
| 20:24.49 | hairy_potter | azeem: :) no flames meant |
| 20:25.06 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: i still disagree with you |
| 20:25.10 | heh_v_water | these people just fail to understand the concept or refuse to acknowledge it |
| 20:25.15 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: ubuntu stable doesn't have latest and stablest |
| 20:25.16 | hairy_potter | azeem: I was asking only from a curiosity point of view. I myself use debian and I'm too comfortable with it that I don't have the enthusiasm to get ubuntu on my box. |
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| 20:25.28 | azeem | hairy_potter: well, ask in #ubuntu then, maybe |
| 20:25.36 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: stable, late: pick one |
| 20:25.43 | AllNewNickname | stew, have you ever tried running a shoutcast server on stable? |
| 20:25.47 | stew | AllNewNickname: yes |
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| 20:26.15 | hairy_potter | azeem: however, I was asking from the point of view of my work. To understand why you guys think debian stable == the best "production ready" distro than ubuntu stable. |
| 20:26.16 | stew | AllNewNickname: a long time ago however |
| 20:26.20 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: and you know what the reason for the quality difference is? |
| 20:26.34 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: nope. what is it? |
| 20:26.35 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: amount of manual work. ubuntu just hasn't the mind and people that debian has |
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| 20:26.59 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: you mean to say ubuntu has lesser manual work (in terms of QA)? |
| 20:27.07 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: definitely |
| 20:27.11 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: I see |
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| 20:27.25 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: it for sure has way less people |
| 20:27.25 | azeem | hairy_potter, tarzeau: please discuss this elsewhere |
| 20:27.25 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 20:27.25 | dpkg | i guess bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 20:27.25 | hairy_potter | tarzeau: true, given the debian developer community size :) |
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| 20:27.35 | tarzeau | azeem: sorry, i'll stop talking now with this guy |
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| 20:27.50 | hairy_potter | azeem, tarzeau: me too :D |
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| 20:28.17 | tarzeau | pickcoder: try oil |
| 20:28.32 | Ilovemypuppy | ok then Im going to be setting things up with stable too |
| 20:29.41 | Ilovemypuppy | hey the networking info is the same as ubuntu - how much should i expect debian to have the same kind of setup as ubuntu |
| 20:29.54 | Ilovemypuppy | I might actually not be as clueless as I thought |
| 20:29.54 | tarzeau | Ilovemypuppy: please |
| 20:29.55 | blondie | mostly |
| 20:29.57 | blondie | perhaps. |
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| 20:30.07 | tarzeau | whatever ubuntu didn't break |
| 20:30.11 | blondie | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 20:30.23 | tarzeau | blondie: they raped cups |
| 20:30.29 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: where did you setup the network in ubuntu? /etc/network/interfaces? of somewhere else? |
| 20:30.32 | Ilovemypuppy | so the basic setup, I mean the conf files and the such, are in the same places |
| 20:30.36 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: yes |
| 20:30.36 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, yes |
| 20:30.40 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: that is the same |
| 20:30.43 | Ilovemypuppy | oh THAT's nice |
| 20:30.54 | azeem | Ilovemypuppy: just don't expect everything to be the same |
| 20:31.01 | tarzeau | wait wait, is that people switching from ubuntu to debian? |
| 20:31.04 | Ilovemypuppy | no, theres a lot of stuff I dont like |
| 20:31.07 | Ilovemypuppy | yes |
| 20:31.15 | tarzeau | hehe, that's kinda ironic, isn't it? |
| 20:31.28 | Ilovemypuppy | I want something lighter and scaled down |
| 20:31.38 | Ilovemypuppy | I dont need all of that stuff |
| 20:31.46 | tarzeau | Ilovemypuppy: you mean all that GNOME stuff? |
| 20:31.50 | Ilovemypuppy | debian has really impressed me |
| 20:31.56 | Ilovemypuppy | all the extra stuff yes |
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| 20:32.11 | Ilovemypuppy | I hardly EVER plan on using the gui |
| 20:32.20 | azeem | Ilovemypuppy: Ubuntu servers don't have GUIs |
| 20:32.33 | Ilovemypuppy | not on that box - not to mention debian has that bootcd package which is just fantastic |
| 20:32.52 | tarzeau | Ilovemypuppy: make-live is even nicer |
| 20:32.55 | tarzeau | Ilovemypuppy: i did the http://livecd.gnustep.org/ with it |
| 20:32.59 | Ilovemypuppy | azeem, yeah but they run kind of funny. |
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| 20:33.48 | Ilovemypuppy | ncie |
| 20:34.03 | Ilovemypuppy | good job on that tarzeau , the page looks nice too |
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| 20:34.30 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, thank you for the clue about stable |
| 20:35.05 | abrotman | !listofdeath |
| 20:35.07 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 20:35.14 | stew | !tracker of doom |
| 20:35.15 | stew | ? |
| 20:35.19 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:35.20 | dpkg | hmm... tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 20:35.32 | abrotman | close enough :) |
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| 20:37.49 | stoned | hi |
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| 20:42.34 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:42.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 20:45.01 | wireddd | does anyone know the origin of that? |
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| 20:45.50 | wireddd | ie Why does my apt have super cow powers? |
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| 20:47.34 | rvsjoen | hmm.. I have a weird problem with syslog-ng, after running for a while it just stops logging... I've aldo tried reverting back to the original config file |
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| 20:49.30 | ewl | I'm trying to compile a kernel on etch. It's the first time I've ever done it. |
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| 20:49.51 | ewl | It's taking a loooonngg time |
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| 20:50.20 | krassy | ewl:How much time exactly ? |
| 20:50.23 | ewl | I've got a dell laptop with a 2Ghz processor. |
| 20:50.36 | ewl | 5 hours and it's not done |
| 20:50.51 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 20:51.09 | ewl | lots of modules... |
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| 20:51.37 | ewl | Does that sound right? |
| 20:52.21 | krassy | ewl:Everything is possible :) |
| 20:52.53 | ewl | How long does it usually take? or is that a stupid question? |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | ewl: what speed is the CPU ? how much RAM ? |
| 20:53.28 | ewl | 2 Ghz 256M ram |
| 20:53.28 | abrotman | more importantly .. why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 20:53.40 | blondie | sounds like a silly gentoo idea! |
| 20:53.40 | ewl | to get hibernation to work |
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| 20:55.29 | schme | wireddd: http://www.eeggs.com/items/36008.html |
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| 20:55.40 | ewl | During installation I kept getting error messages that the kernel would not support software suspend and that I would have to recompile the kernel with CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y |
| 20:56.00 | wireddd | schme, yes but what is the origin |
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| 20:56.34 | wireddd | someone in here must know |
| 20:56.37 | schme | wireddd: No one knows.. it says? :) |
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| 20:59.52 | blondie | !root |
| 20:59.53 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 21:00.05 | blondie | don't irc as root, root__ |
| 21:00.06 | krassy | Can i change screen resolution in tty`s ? |
| 21:00.19 | blondie | krassy: you need a framebuffer |
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| 21:02.23 | krassy | blondie:to have a framebuffer need i precompile default debian 2.6 etch kernel ? |
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| 21:02.30 | blondie | nfi |
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| 21:03.11 | yahalom | how do I tell my system to use x11 video? |
| 21:03.17 | lws_ | Why is there a key keyring package in etch that is unsigned? |
| 21:03.24 | Eulex | yahalom, what do you mean? |
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| 21:05.22 | stew | lws_: what do you mean? |
| 21:05.22 | stew | krassy: debian kernels are already framebuffer enabled |
| 21:05.23 | lws_ | stew: Aptitude is complaining about untrusted packages one is "debian-archive-keyring" They archive key I installed is supposed to be value until feburary |
| 21:05.23 | Debzlarl | Whenever I use apt, why does it keep asking for a debian disc? |
| 21:05.45 | Debzlarl | It has only just started doing that since my netinstall reformat |
| 21:05.45 | lws_ | stew: I'm running etch with secure apt. |
| 21:05.46 | yahalom | Eulex: my video stopped working, so now when I do mplayer -vo x11 foo.mpg it works, so I want to change my box to use x11 |
| 21:05.46 | stew | lws_: /topic |
| 21:05.57 | RvGaTe | stoned, get your ass on Skype plz |
| 21:05.58 | lws_ | stew: what about it? |
| 21:06.12 | Ilovemypuppy | Exim installs by default with debian? |
| 21:06.17 | asg | lws_: the bit about /msg dpkg no public key |
| 21:06.19 | stew | lws_: the etch archive key was recently switched |
| 21:06.21 | asg | Ilovemypuppy: yes |
| 21:06.26 | lws_ | stew: Oh, why? |
| 21:06.34 | stew | lws_: becuase of the upcoming release |
| 21:06.42 | Ilovemypuppy | whats the conf file for exim? |
| 21:06.42 | lws_ | I can't get to the ftp-master ziyi key thing though either from the secure apt page. |
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| 21:07.17 | lws_ | stew: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc is unavailable |
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| 21:07.32 | RvGaTe | dont you guys love it when things just "work" :D (running a sarge server) |
| 21:07.40 | Eulex | yahalom, add vo="x11" to ~/.mplayer/config |
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| 21:07.52 | lws_ | RvGaTe: that's why I run Debian :) |
| 21:08.04 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 21:08.05 | krassy | stew:i Understand about kernels , but how exactly i can change res in tty`s.today i install debian on fujitsu-siemens laptop and last row in tty`s was out of screen!? |
| 21:08.17 | Ilovemypuppy | i hate having to learn a new MTA setup with each distro - its possible to wipe exim out and put postfix up, right? |
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| 21:08.25 | bloosky | how can I discover which machine (IP address) is dishing out DHCP leases on a network? |
| 21:08.38 | lws_ | Ilovemypuppy: yes.. apt-get remove exim4 |
| 21:08.48 | Obstfliege | nabend |
| 21:08.48 | asg | Ilovemypuppy: yes, just apt-cache search postfix (install the flavor you like) |
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| 21:08.54 | lws_ | Ilovemypuppy : actually use aptitude to remove it. it'll do a better job |
| 21:08.56 | Ilovemypuppy | thanks |
| 21:09.02 | Ilovemypuppy | no gui apps!!! |
| 21:09.05 | stew | krassy: go to a vt, run "hwinfo --framebuffer" which will list available modes, you can put one of those modes in the kernel command line by editing menu.lst and changing adding vga=0x305 to the # kopt= line (but substitude your desired mode for 0x305) |
| 21:09.11 | lws_ | Ilovemypuppy: aptitude is not gui. |
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| 21:09.36 | RvGaTe | bloosky, try to do a "dhclient eth0" and check its details |
| 21:09.39 | stew | krassy: and you have to run update-grub to make the # kopt= line propagate to all of the kernel command lines |
| 21:09.56 | jazbo2185 | Does anybody else find the the results of `apropos porn` rather amusing? ;) |
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| 21:10.01 | RvGaTe | bloosky, only do it when your running it local :P |
| 21:10.15 | krassy | 10x |
| 21:10.24 | bloosky | RvGaTe: thanx, I'll take a look |
| 21:10.31 | schme | jazbo2185: I find it depressing. I tells me there's nothing! |
| 21:10.32 | jazbo2185 | Assuming nothing you've got installed has porn in the manpage... |
| 21:10.49 | Ilovemypuppy | OMG!!! you guys made postfix conf so easy! thank you |
| 21:10.50 | RvGaTe | $people_i_helped_today++ |
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| 21:11.56 | bloosky | RvGaTe: not so soon! this is osx, I'm only asking here 'cos I'm usually a debian user and I know how smart they are ;) |
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| 21:12.14 | RvGaTe | $people_i_helped_today-- (grr) |
| 21:12.20 | bloosky | RvGaTe: and I can't locate dhclient on this |
| 21:13.25 | lws_ | stew: This is not working.. subkeys.pgp.net is down |
| 21:13.38 | lws_ | or something... |
| 21:13.54 | stew | lws_: its not down |
| 21:14.20 | stew | lws_: do you get a connection when you "telnet subkeys.pgp.net hkp"? |
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| 21:15.15 | lws_ | this is a pain in the butt. I think gpg doesn't like my proxy settings. |
| 21:15.29 | adioe3 | Hello. How can I update python2.3 to 2.3.5-16 on a sarge runing 2.3.5-2 ? |
| 21:15.32 | lws_ | Why is it "bad" to distribute the new key as a package signed by the old key?? |
| 21:15.45 | stew | lws_: becuase packages aren't signed |
| 21:15.54 | lws_ | stew: what is then? |
| 21:16.01 | stew | lws_: the entire repository |
| 21:16.16 | lws_ | stew: wouldn't it make more sense to sign a package? Then anyone could distribute it. |
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| 21:16.30 | RvGaTe | bloosky, sorry, but i cant help you on macos, maybe someone else can |
| 21:16.50 | stew | lws_: perhaps |
| 21:16.56 | eSa| | ha someone ever used distcc to make-kpkg a kernel? |
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| 21:18.44 | Guerin | eSa|: yeah, works fine. |
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| 21:19.15 | yahalom | can anyone help me ? I need to change totem and vlc's output video driver to xv |
| 21:19.17 | eSa| | I think i've setup up everything correctly, but distccmon don't show any activity... I suspect make-kpkg doesn't actually call distcc at all |
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| 21:19.49 | lws_ | does it really take so long to build a kernel that you need distcc? |
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| 21:20.56 | binary | hi |
| 21:20.58 | binary | need sum help |
| 21:21.00 | binary | with nvidia driver |
| 21:21.04 | binary | it wont download |
| 21:21.09 | binary | im using etch |
| 21:21.21 | binary | can anybody help? |
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| 21:21.59 | eSa| | well not that long really, it's about 10 minutes... but i's like to exploit this opporunity for the future |
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| 21:22.07 | binary | ??? |
| 21:22.19 | binary | can anybody help me? |
| 21:22.23 | eSa| | i've been able to do it some times ago |
| 21:22.23 | binary | please! |
| 21:22.30 | binary | what |
| 21:22.32 | binary | do what? |
| 21:22.37 | eSa| | binary, you should perhaps look another chan |
| 21:22.43 | binary | why? |
| 21:22.47 | binary | please recomend 1 |
| 21:22.52 | binary | if u think so |
| 21:22.57 | RvGaTe | how can i do an easy internet speedtest on a server? |
| 21:22.59 | bloosky | RvGaTe: I'm going to see if I can find an OSX group somewhere, thanks anyway... no, that doesn't count for a ++ :) |
| 21:23.07 | eSa| | go on nvidia and download the right driver... |
| 21:23.18 | binary | no that will make my machine unstable |
| 21:23.24 | binary | doing it with module assistant |
| 21:23.27 | binary | and its fucked up |
| 21:23.31 | eSa| | this is the first thing you need to accomplish |
| 21:23.39 | binary | what? |
| 21:23.57 | binary | ??? |
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| 21:24.18 | stew | binary: you'll have to be more descriptive if you expect to get help. tell us what you have tried, what error messages you get, if any. please don't hit enter so much |
| 21:24.22 | binary | right |
| 21:24.31 | binary | i am following a set of instructions |
| 21:24.44 | binary | on how to install the NVIDIA driver with module assistant |
| 21:24.44 | stew | binary: we need more detail than that |
| 21:24.50 | binary | wait |
| 21:24.52 | binary | im working on it |
| 21:24.55 | stew | binary: don't hit enter instead of punctuation |
| 21:25.04 | Ilovemypuppy | im trying to use squirrelmail - I set it up but i can't seem to access it |
| 21:25.05 | binary | i entered the following command... |
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| 21:25.27 | binary | m-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel |
| 21:25.32 | binary | and got the following error |
| 21:25.38 | lws_ | stew: Is this keyserver the only way to get the key now? |
| 21:25.41 | Ilovemypuppy | ive tried /webmail and /squirrelmail but no luck so far |
| 21:25.46 | binary | . |
| 21:25.46 | binary | Updated infos about 1 packages |
| 21:25.46 | binary | Getting source for kernel version: 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 21:25.46 | binary | Kernel headers available in /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/build |
| 21:25.47 | binary | apt-get-y install build-essential |
| 21:25.47 | *** kick/#debian [binary!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 21:26.05 | stew | lws_: its in the debian-archive-keyring package |
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| 21:26.14 | eSa| | debhelper, you're scary |
| 21:26.24 | lws_ | stew: Hmm. |
| 21:26.27 | binary | ok did u get that |
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| 21:26.32 | binary | i got cut off |
| 21:26.35 | stew | !tell binary about paste |
| 21:26.36 | jazbo2185 | !paste |
| 21:26.36 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:26.37 | binary | forgot 2 use #flood |
| 21:26.44 | binary | !paste |
| 21:26.48 | binary | ??? |
| 21:27.04 | eSa| | paste is not spaghetti |
| 21:27.04 | binary | did u get my error message? |
| 21:27.11 | binary | ??? |
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| 21:27.15 | eSa| | binary, no |
| 21:27.19 | eSa| | please us paste |
| 21:27.23 | binary | (sigh) |
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| 21:27.31 | binary | ok how can i paste it here |
| 21:27.33 | lws_ | stew: okay I did that, now it still says there's a bunch of unstrusted packages to install.. |
| 21:27.41 | stew | lws_: apt-get update |
| 21:27.41 | Phated | binary: You don't. Read what dpkg said. |
| 21:27.41 | binary | #flood . |
| 21:27.42 | binary | Updated infos about 1 packages |
| 21:27.42 | binary | Getting source for kernel version: 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 21:27.42 | binary | Kernel headers available in /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/build |
| 21:27.42 | binary | apt-get-y install build-essential |
| 21:27.42 | binary | Done! |
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| 21:27.45 | jazbo2185 | !tell binary about paste |
| 21:27.58 | Phated | Idiot. |
| 21:28.02 | abre | could anyone explain to me how to get ruby 1.8.5 on my debian install? |
| 21:28.04 | jazbo2185 | binary read the paste factoid we already told you how to paste |
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| 21:28.16 | Phated | jazbo2185: He's not on #debian anymore. |
| 21:28.17 | lws_ | he tried to join $flood |
| 21:28.19 | Phated | Ah, now he is. |
| 21:28.25 | jazbo2185 | phew |
| 21:28.26 | stew | binary: STOP doing that. use a pastebin, we recommend http://paste.debian.net or http://pastebin.ca |
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| 21:29.14 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, if I want to ask a question about squirrelmail for debian stable should I ask in here? |
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| 21:29.52 | lws_ | stew: Does that keyring package automatically import them into apt-key? It doesn't seem like it does. When I follow dpkg's instructions gpg also doesn't export a key with that serial number. |
| 21:30.16 | RvGaTe | how can i do an easy internet speedtest on a server? |
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| 21:30.35 | wakejagr | i'm trying to get alsa working on a system that's been transplanted to a new mainboard. see pastebin for details: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4665 |
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| 21:31.26 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: yeah here or #squirrelmail (i think they have their own channel there at least) |
| 21:31.45 | stew | lws_: apt-key will use /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 21:31.46 | lws_ | stew: I'm getting a slightly different error than the one supposed in the topic also... |
| 21:31.54 | stew | lws_: what error are you getting then? |
| 21:31.57 | lws_ | stew: W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F |
| 21:32.13 | abre | could anyone explain to me how to get ruby 1.8.5 on my debian install? |
| 21:32.34 | stew | lws_: that's the 2006 key, not the new etch key |
| 21:32.50 | lws_ | stew: then why are the packages untrusted? |
| 21:33.03 | yahalom | where can I find the system wide option to choose whether my system uses X11 or XV for video? |
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| 21:33.38 | wakejagr | if alsaconf seems to load the correct module for my soundcard, but fails to set volumes (no soundcard found), should I be looking at an alsa issue, or looking to compile a newer kernel (2.6.11.5 currently)? |
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| 21:34.27 | jazbo2185 | wakejagr: I'm no expert on this issue but have you gone through what's recommended on the alsa-checklist factoid? |
| 21:34.47 | Ilovemypuppy | ok I have installed and configured squirrelmail, do I have to manually put the /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf section into the apache.conf or is it supposed to do it automatically? |
| 21:34.57 | stew | lws_: what version of apt do you have installed? |
| 21:35.08 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: read /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/README.Debian |
| 21:35.16 | Ilovemypuppy | thank you! |
| 21:35.46 | wakejagr | jazbo2185: not sure, I'll check out the factoid |
| 21:35.49 | lws_ | stew: apt 0.6.46.2 |
| 21:36.00 | stew | lws_: and does "gpg --list-keys --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg 2D230C5F" list that key? |
| 21:37.04 | lws_ | stew: it lists a key for that id yes |
| 21:37.49 | stew | lws_: hmm, i'm not sure then. you could try "gpg --export --keyring/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg 2D230C5F" | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:37.54 | JJCale | anyone knows when debian etch will be official released, as the new debian stable? |
| 21:37.59 | wakejagr | jazbo2185: actually, alsaconf fails to raise volumes after loading the modules, so i'm not even getting through step 1 |
| 21:38.07 | stew | JJCale: nobody knows: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 21:38.32 | stew | lws_: which mirror is giving you this problem? |
| 21:38.47 | Ilovemypuppy | nice |
| 21:39.09 | lws_ | stew: that fixed it |
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| 21:39.28 | lws_ | stew: it was mirrors.kernel.org. They must have changed the location of the keyring in the latest apt or something. |
| 21:40.31 | lws_ | stew: Strange though, my system is only maybe a week out of date. |
| 21:40.45 | JJCale | I have read contraditory statments - on this site: http://www.debianadmin.com/ they are saying that the debian etch will be realsed at a December 4 2006 ! |
| 21:41.18 | stew | JJCale: that was an early estimated timeline released in june. debian never holds itself to deadlines however. it only releases when there are zero RC bugs |
| 21:41.46 | blondie | known bugs |
| 21:41.58 | lws_ | what is FAM? |
| 21:42.03 | stew | !fam |
| 21:42.03 | dpkg | hmm... fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 21:42.04 | Ilovemypuppy | isnt etch released now? |
| 21:42.08 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: no |
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| 21:42.26 | Ilovemypuppy | why did my testing cd say etch in the apt sources? |
| 21:42.37 | blondie | it's in testing, it's not stable |
| 21:42.38 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: becuase etch is the current testing |
| 21:42.39 | heh_v_water | Ilovemypuppy, etch is in testing |
| 21:42.43 | blondie | so it's not "release"ed |
| 21:42.52 | Ilovemypuppy | i understand now. |
| 21:42.53 | lws_ | strange something I just updated required fam.. |
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| 21:43.05 | El|V\oNKo | hello, I am having this problem when i boot.. it spams "modprobe: FATAL could not load /lib/modules/2.6.17-mykern/modules.dep". I cant find this in any log, google returned 14 resualts none of which helped |
| 21:43.06 | Ilovemypuppy | the current stable seems decent though |
| 21:43.14 | heh_v_water | Ilovemypuppy, etch= testing, sarge=stable, sid=unstable |
| 21:43.51 | Ilovemypuppy | is it going to be hard to go from stable to stable when it updates or will it just be a bunch of package updates as far as the OS is concerned, i just installed stable 10 min ago |
| 21:44.12 | Ilovemypuppy | such a light, fast install |
| 21:44.13 | Phated | El|V\oNKo: run depmod. |
| 21:44.28 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: it should not be hard. you should read the release notes before upgrading however. |
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| 21:44.38 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, will do |
| 21:44.40 | RvGaTe | For some reason, any action to my debian server (located somewhere in holland) replies very slow on ftp/ssh/http... i know this is mostly becouse of a slow connection (or a very busy connection), but how can i make sure? |
| 21:45.01 | stew | RvGaTe: how large are the ping times? |
| 21:45.05 | El|V\oNKo | Phated: thx |
| 21:45.35 | RvGaTe | stew, its not pingable at all |
| 21:45.36 | heh_v_water | Ilovemypuppy, when I went from woody to sarge it was pretty clean. I had a few things to fix but thats why I have a testing machien I use daily... to see any weirdness and know how they are different |
| 21:45.38 | laidback_01 | hey, I have a question... i have a really ... really old Gateway pc. An essential 550. anyway I'd like to show a friend about linux and wish to use debian. However it locks immediately after loading the kernel on the boot CD. Stays at READY... that's it. |
| 21:45.59 | RvGaTe | stew, probably blocked |
| 21:46.18 | laidback_01 | Debian is not the only boot cd I've tried - Fedora core 5/6, gentoo, and debian. Gentoo cds are the only ones that boot. |
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| 21:46.25 | RvGaTe | stew, 82.169.141.129 |
| 21:46.32 | RvGaTe | stew, give it a try, maybe it works for ou |
| 21:46.50 | laidback_01 | anyone have an idea as to why, dmesg yields very little other than that there are a lot of "pci quirks" that the kernel is watching out for. |
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| 21:47.27 | Coweater | laidback_01: the others lock up as well? |
| 21:47.28 | stew | RvGaTe: you could try a wget from somewhere like ftp.nl.debian.org to see if that is fast maybe? is the load on the box low? |
| 21:47.49 | RvGaTe | stew, 99.9% idle on "top" |
| 21:48.05 | stew | laidback_01: you are using a 3.1 debian cd? |
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| 21:49.15 | madman215 | i got a new camera, a canon powershot a410 anyone know how to get this one to work? |
| 21:49.17 | laidback_01 | Coweater: yes it locks on all fedoras and debian ... just not gentoo |
| 21:49.27 | stew | laidback_01: which cd are you using? |
| 21:49.28 | laidback_01 | stew: yessir I am |
| 21:49.32 | stew | laidback_01: have you tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? or only the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:49.32 | niles | up yea... i updated firefox via apt-get update; apt-get install firefox. and now it's not even listed under K > Internet |
| 21:49.34 | Flimzy | madman215: Plug the flash memory card into your usb card reader. |
| 21:49.37 | niles | using KDE |
| 21:49.43 | niles | um* |
| 21:49.45 | laidback_01 | stew: only the default... good point |
| 21:49.49 | madman215 | Flimzy, dont have either |
| 21:50.00 | Flimzy | madman215: What kind of _new_ camera doesn't come with flash memory? |
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| 21:50.16 | madman215 | well it has it, but i dont have a card |
| 21:50.27 | madman215 | nor a reader |
| 21:50.34 | niles | so... um, yea... i updated firefox via apt-get update; apt-get install firefox. and now it's not even listed under K > Internet |
| 21:50.39 | Flimzy | madman215: If you don't have a card, then how are you going to take pictures? |
| 21:50.48 | stew | madman215: cannon won't work as usb-storage, you can use gphoto / gtkam or something else that is libgphoto2 based |
| 21:50.56 | madman215 | the memory in the camera |
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| 21:51.23 | Flimzy | niles: try mozilla-firefox |
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| 21:51.28 | Flimzy | madman215: Oh. |
| 21:51.33 | niles | will do |
| 21:51.39 | Flimzy | madman215: Well most cameras will work just like a usb drive anyway. just plug it in. |
| 21:51.44 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 21:51.47 | stew | Flimzy: his wont |
| 21:51.49 | Flimzy | madman215: If that doesn't work, then you are _probably_ SOL |
| 21:51.54 | niles | Flimzy: hopefully i'll get my bookmarks back |
| 21:52.05 | Flimzy | niles: you probably will. |
| 21:52.08 | bbelt16ag | how sucessful would a dist upgrade from stable to testing be? |
| 21:52.18 | bbelt16ag | if i shut down to just console and installed? |
| 21:52.20 | Flimzy | bbelt16ag: impossible to say. |
| 21:52.28 | laidback_01 | stew: turns out it's a debian etch - this is actually a multimedia distro I was using for another system. Downloading the right image now... perhaps it'll run. |
| 21:52.31 | RvGaTe | stew, downloading with 33 K/s.... :D |
| 21:52.39 | Flimzy | bbelt16ag: But depending on what you have installed, and the state of testing on wahtever date you do the install, there's probably an 80% chance of nothing serious breaking. |
| 21:52.44 | bbelt16ag | ok whats the likley hood of it screwing it up |
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| 21:53.09 | bbelt16ag | could i do a "upgrade" ? |
| 21:53.09 | stew | RvGaTe: do you know how fast the machines connection is supposed to be? (that is not very fast) |
| 21:53.14 | bbelt16ag | i got the net install disk here.. |
| 21:53.16 | madman215 | stew, is there a reason apt-get cant find gphoto? |
| 21:53.23 | styvy | madman215, digikam also comes with pretty much drivers ( i would try the latest version for a new cam) |
| 21:53.27 | Flimzy | bbelt16ag: 'upgrade' will break things from stable to testing. do dist-upgrade. |
| 21:53.29 | bbelt16ag | i bet i could find out what packages i got installed |
| 21:53.31 | RvGaTe | stew, well, it should be allot faster then that, i can ensure you that |
| 21:53.32 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:53.34 | stew | madman215: apt-cache search gphoto |
| 21:53.38 | bbelt16ag | i just reinstall then |
| 21:53.45 | Flimzy | madman215: probably goes by a different name. do an 'apt-cache search gphoto' |
| 21:53.48 | stew | bbelt16ag: why reinstall? |
| 21:54.00 | Flimzy | bbelt16ag: no reason to reinstall. |
| 21:54.02 | Phated | bbelt16ag: Read carefully. "do dist-upgrade". Not "reinstall". |
| 21:54.11 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:54.16 | Flimzy | bbelt16ag: 99% of the reason to use Debian at all is because it makes reinstalls completely unnecessary. |
| 21:54.23 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
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| 21:54.39 | bbelt16ag | ok so change my sources to testing and update and dist-upgrade?? from console ? |
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| 21:54.50 | Debzlarl | Whenever I use apt-get for certain packages, it asks for a debian disc, but this has only occurred since a reformat with a netinstall |
| 21:54.52 | Flimzy | bbelt16ag: pretty much, yeah. |
| 21:54.55 | Debzlarl | Any ways of stopping this? |
| 21:54.55 | bbelt16ag | ok cool |
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| 21:55.04 | bbelt16ag | see you on the flip side :) |
| 21:55.06 | stew | Debzlarl: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:55.21 | stew | Debzlarl: remove the cd lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update |
| 21:55.23 | Phated | Debzlarl: Check sources.list. |
| 21:55.24 | Debzlarl | stew, I'll just check, I'm sure its etch though |
| 21:55.27 | SporkOfTruth | For some reason, I was able to make an XFS filesystem on this particular partition, but I can't mount it. Can anyone give me a clue as to how I get XFS support in the kernel? I'm running 3.0 with kernel 2.4.27. |
| 21:55.27 | Debzlarl | Ah |
| 21:55.30 | Debzlarl | Thanks |
| 21:55.37 | Ilovemypuppy | I installed alsautils, but I dont appear to have an alsa device. |
| 21:55.44 | Ilovemypuppy | I have modprobed emu10k1 |
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| 21:55.58 | Ilovemypuppy | im used to snd-emu10k1 but the kernels a bit dated |
| 21:56.05 | Ilovemypuppy | amixer |
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| 21:56.22 | Ilovemypuppy | it says theres no audio device |
| 21:56.24 | madman215 | if its going to work at all is it going to work with autodetect? |
| 21:56.25 | Phated | Alsa modules are generally snd-emu10k1. it's not actually a surprise that emu10k1 doesn't, in fact, give you an alsa device. |
| 21:56.44 | Ilovemypuppy | it says it cant find snd-emu10k1 |
| 21:57.06 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:57.09 | cydork | madman215, are you sure kernel doesn't recognize it as a usb storage? |
| 21:57.16 | stew | cydork: i'm sure it doesn't |
| 21:57.30 | cydork | stew, oh... |
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| 21:57.37 | Ilovemypuppy | oh for christs sake im still on 386 |
| 21:57.47 | Phated | 386 kernels can have alsa, y'know. |
| 21:57.51 | Ilovemypuppy | 2.4!!!! |
| 21:57.51 | streuner | haleluja |
| 21:57.55 | madman215 | cydork, lsusb? |
| 21:57.57 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 21:57.58 | Ilovemypuppy | oh no that will NOT do |
| 21:58.06 | Ilovemypuppy | no no no, I want a 2.6 |
| 21:58.07 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: or /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 21:58.16 | Phated | Arch has very little at all to do with version. Upgrade your kernel and stop fussing. |
| 21:58.18 | Ilovemypuppy | I want to reinstall with a 2.6 please |
| 21:58.23 | kakarot | hi, what is the name of kde sound daemond ? |
| 21:58.30 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: Just install a new kernel. apt-cache search linux-package. |
| 21:58.33 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: you don't want to reinstall, you just want to upgrade your kernel |
| 21:58.34 | Phated | kakarot: artsd, no? |
| 21:58.40 | streuner | kakarot: something you don't want |
| 21:58.44 | Phated | Why does -everyone- want to do a reinstall today? |
| 21:58.47 | Ilovemypuppy | no, i want to reinstall with a 2.6 |
| 21:58.57 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: No, upgrade your kernel instead of doing a stupid reinstall. |
| 21:59.02 | kakarot | Phated yeah! thaks |
| 21:59.03 | streuner | Phated: i don't ! :-) |
| 21:59.04 | cydork | madman215, like stew said install gphoto |
| 21:59.13 | Phated | streuner: Thank fuck for that. |
| 21:59.37 | Ilovemypuppy | you can just go from 2.4 to 2.6 just like that? |
| 21:59.52 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: yes |
| 22:00.13 | Phated | streuner: Oh, not you too. |
| 22:00.13 | madman215 | i did |
| 22:00.15 | Ilovemypuppy | im just disgusted it put a 2.4 anything on htere |
| 22:00.16 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: <sigh> apt-cache search linux-package. |
| 22:00.36 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: you should have hit f1 or f3 at the boot: prompt of the installer or read the install guide then |
| 22:00.38 | Ilovemypuppy | Phated, whats the sigh for? |
| 22:00.51 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: It's for "this is the second time you're being told how to do it." |
| 22:00.54 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, I most certainly show have |
| 22:01.03 | Ilovemypuppy | Phated, then dont type it in twice |
| 22:01.18 | Phated | OK, fine, you can survive on stew's help. Ignored. |
| 22:01.21 | Ilovemypuppy | thanks |
| 22:01.21 | madman215 | cydork, i did, and when i do autodetect it it dosent show anything, when i do lsusb id dosent show up, so i plugged in an old generic camara and it says i can use it a a disk drive, and it says connected to computer on the cmara but gnome dosent do anything |
| 22:01.25 | karsten | Ilovemypuppy: Show gratitude, adaptability, and intelligence. |
| 22:01.33 | Ilovemypuppy | karsten, np |
| 22:01.37 | timthelion | Phated: ! |
| 22:01.54 | Phated | timthelion: Go away, we're not quick enough for you, remember? |
| 22:02.09 | Phated | streuner: Bah, not -you- getting annoyed about language too. |
| 22:02.26 | Ilovemypuppy | this poor guy's got issues |
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| 22:03.23 | Ilovemypuppy | oh yeah thats much faster with a 2.6 |
| 22:03.23 | streuner | Phated: speaking crap isn't cool |
| 22:03.26 | SporkOfTruth | In re: my XFS issues, I apparently have xfsprogs and xfslibs installed (which is why I was able to make the filesystem) but I still get an error message when I try to mount the partition |
| 22:03.41 | timthelion | Phated: lol, someone already answered me... ;p |
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| 22:03.51 | Phated | streuner: "Thank fuck for that"? I was noting gratitude for there being a person not wanting to do a reinstall. |
| 22:04.06 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, thank you - I didnt want to reinstall just for the kernel prob - i wanted to do it so I could install it properly from the get go |
| 22:04.16 | Phated | streuner: In any case, I believe irssi provides for regexp ignores. :) |
| 22:04.16 | SporkOfTruth | That error: "mount: fs type xfs not supported by kernel" |
| 22:04.31 | karsten | Is there any good way to search for _all_ instances of a command on a search path? Eg: I've got a couple of different 'top' commands floating around, for no good reason. |
| 22:04.32 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: modprobe xfs, if you don't have the module, you'll be looking at a recompile. |
| 22:04.40 | Phated | karsten: which? |
| 22:04.55 | karsten | Phated: Shows the _one_ on the path, no? |
| 22:04.56 | Phated | karsten: Specifically, which -a <cmd> |
| 22:04.57 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: i wouldn't recommend a reinstall, i'd recommend /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel ; if you must reinstall, /msg dpkg linux26 |
| 22:05.01 | Phated | karsten: -a, luv. |
| 22:05.10 | streuner | dpkg, say Phated streuner doesn't use ignore... |
| 22:05.10 | dpkg | Phated streuner doesn't use ignore... |
| 22:05.16 | SporkOfTruth | Phated: "modprobe: Can't locate module xfs |
| 22:05.17 | SporkOfTruth | ". I take it that means a recompile then? |
| 22:05.23 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Woot, yes. |
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| 22:05.31 | SporkOfTruth | Damn. |
| 22:05.32 | Phated | streuner: Then don't complain about having to see language or not liking it, dear. |
| 22:05.54 | cydork | Phated, luv? dear? you drunk? :P |
| 22:05.58 | SporkOfTruth | Where, exactly, would I obtain this module from? |
| 22:06.04 | karsten | Phated: Cool. |
| 22:06.23 | karsten | streuner: Don't abuse the bots ... like I do. |
| 22:06.27 | Phated | cydork: No, I'm addressing a friend. You're not involved. |
| 22:06.34 | Phated | karsten: Quite. |
| 22:06.38 | streuner | karsten: haha |
| 22:06.43 | karsten | cydork: Shh. The drugs are working. |
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| 22:06.51 | cydork | Phated, heh no problemo ! |
| 22:07.11 | SporkOfTruth | SGI's site gave me nothing useful, because they implied my kernel already had XFS support. |
| 22:07.26 | Phated | karsten: :| |
| 22:08.20 | Shadowcat | karsten: type killall in solaris as root |
| 22:08.21 | Shadowcat | :D |
| 22:08.25 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 22:08.42 | Shadowcat | and before stew kills me, that means DON'T DO IT |
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| 22:08.48 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, its REALLY no biggie, it takes less than 5 min to reinstall and ive only had the install for about an hour |
| 22:08.52 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: You'd get a linux-source-* package from apt-get, by searching with apt-cache search, installing it, configuring the source in /usr/src/, and then compiling it. http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian has a decent guide, but please substitute a linux-source-* package instead of using a kernel.org tarball. |
| 22:08.56 | karsten | Shadowcat: Yeah, yeah. I *know* that one. |
| 22:09.05 | Phated | stew: Oh, let him reinstall already. |
| 22:09.14 | stew | Shadowcat: i resisted :) |
| 22:09.22 | karsten | Shadowcat: The "wipe" found on one system here (RHEL + stuff) is a LAN wiper, not a file wiper. |
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| 22:09.48 | Ilovemypuppy | theres supposed to be a bot popup for compiling kernels the debian way |
| 22:10.00 | SporkOfTruth | Phated: Aha! I'm thinking I should stick with a 2.4 kernel so I don't break anything.... |
| 22:10.14 | Mondoshawan | somebody online? Who has installed a Debian SID with VMware? |
| 22:10.15 | Ilovemypuppy | SporkOfTruth, 2.6 sure is a lot faster. |
| 22:10.26 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Then substitute in a linux-source-2.4* package - again, use apt-cache search to find the package. |
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| 22:10.37 | jazbo2185 | wakejagr: maybe there's something here: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sound.htm |
| 22:10.57 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: There are almost certainly going to be 2.4 source packages in apt. |
| 22:11.01 | SporkOfTruth | Phated: Okey doke. Thanks. |
| 22:11.06 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Pleasure. |
| 22:11.42 | karsten | findallonpath () { for pdir in $( echo $PATH | sed ' |
| 22:11.45 | karsten | s/:/ /g' ); do test -f $pdir/$1 && echo found at $pdir; done; } |
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| 22:11.49 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: /msg dpkg kp ; but why would you want to compile a kernel? |
| 22:11.50 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: And of course, with that howto, you can ignore anything 2.6-related, such as module-init-tools. |
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| 22:11.59 | SporkOfTruth | Ilovemypuppy: I know, I know. Unfortunately, this system houses disks used by panic-prone graduate students. |
| 22:12.05 | SporkOfTruth | Phated: Excellent. |
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| 22:12.16 | stew | Shadowcat: but its a good reason to use pkill instead of killall :) (or a good reason not to use solaris) |
| 22:12.43 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, its mostly a CPU benchmarking thing, I wouldnt install what I compiled, I just like to poke through it and see whats in there, and then use it to stress test the CPU/ram |
| 22:12.44 | madman215 | so now i have this generic camera that says its connected as a usb disk drive, how do i mount it? |
| 22:12.57 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Quite. And, er, read the whole thing before jumping in, hrm? Just a note :) |
| 22:13.16 | Phated | madman215: Read the output for dmesg for a device to mount. |
| 22:13.17 | cydork | !tell madman215 -about usb storage |
| 22:13.25 | SporkOfTruth | Phated: You are a font of genius today. Thanks :) |
| 22:13.30 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Cheers. |
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| 22:14.03 | streuner | hm |
| 22:14.18 | Mondoshawan | somebody online? Who has installed a Debian SID with VMware? |
| 22:14.21 | stone123 | !info kernel-source-2.4.21 |
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| 22:14.44 | streuner | who the hell want 2.4.21? |
| 22:14.53 | Phated | <shrug> |
| 22:14.56 | karsten | Mondoshawan: What? |
| 22:14.59 | blondie | CAKES |
| 22:15.15 | karsten | !tell Mondoshawan about polls |
| 22:15.18 | Phated | streuner: They're allowed a 2.4, really, if they -want-... |
| 22:15.18 | karsten | Mondoshawan: /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:15.25 | laidback_01 | stew: okay, neither linux nor linux26 work with this machine. Too bad I suppose. |
| 22:15.37 | laidback_01 | I hate compiling gentoo on anything less than 1G... |
| 22:15.38 | streuner | Phated: but, 2.4.21? |
| 22:15.46 | Phated | streuner: Yeah, 2.4.27, maybe. |
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| 22:15.53 | stew | laidback_01: you could try a stable instller with a newer kernel: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 ; or a testing installer: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:16.04 | Phated | karsten: Old-skool. |
| 22:16.24 | david | hey guys. Just hotplugged a SATA drive into my debian server, and it isn't allowing me to mount/fdisk it. Nor has anything appeared in /var/log/messages like I'd expect |
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| 22:16.55 | david | any ideas on a fix without "turning it off an on again" |
| 22:17.02 | david | *and |
| 22:17.36 | stew | david: is your root fs mounted from the same sata controller? |
| 22:17.51 | stew | david: do you know that your sata controller supports hotplugging? |
| 22:17.54 | david | no, but there is another drive there whihc is mounted |
| 22:18.00 | karsten | Phated: I thought there was still a 2.0 tree being maintained. Not at kernel.org apparently. 2.2 is at .26. Hrm. 2.4 is at .33. Tells you something, I'm sure... |
| 22:18.15 | david | I "assumed" so (probably a mistake) |
| 22:18.18 | stew | david: well you could maybe umount the other drive then unload and reload the sata driver? |
| 22:18.22 | david | if it did, I'd see something in debug right |
| 22:18.22 | stone123 | streuner: what ? |
| 22:18.24 | david | ah, good plan |
| 22:18.40 | laidback_01 | stew: the part I don't get is what the gentoo boot cd has that the others don't... |
| 22:18.43 | Phated | karsten: Heheh. |
| 22:18.51 | Phated | karsten: 2.6.50, that'll be fun. |
| 22:18.53 | blondie | laidback_01: magic |
| 22:18.58 | madman215 | shoud it be /dev/sda or whatever in /proc/partitions? |
| 22:18.58 | stew | laidback_01: a newer than 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 22:19.13 | stew | madman215: your cannon camera? |
| 22:19.23 | streuner | stoned: tell us the real problem |
| 22:19.29 | streuner | stone123: tell us the real problem |
| 22:19.51 | stone123 | ok my real problem is that i need kernel-source-2.4.21 |
| 22:19.57 | david | not appeared in /proc/partitions. Presumably I need to modprobe -r anything that depends on sata_sil too. |
| 22:20.03 | madman215 | stew, this isnt the cann camera its a generic camera that says its loaded as a disk drive and is connected to the computer |
| 22:20.15 | laidback_01 | stew: you don't know if there is a way to boot the gentooCD, and then somehow start the debian installer? |
| 22:20.17 | stew | stone123: if you REALLY need 2.4.21: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 22:20.22 | laidback_01 | I've got twin cdroms in this box... |
| 22:20.30 | stew | laidback_01: yes, /msg dpkg debootstrap ; gentoo has a debootstrap package |
| 22:20.42 | stew | laidback_01: (i don't know if it is on the gentoo cd however) |
| 22:21.05 | laidback_01 | stew: okay, thanks! |
| 22:21.12 | stew | madman215: dmesg should tell you where your drive is attached after usb-storage and sd-mod are loaded (if your camera supports usb-storage) |
| 22:21.38 | SporkOfTruth | Phated: Uh, "apt-cache search linux-source" returns no results. |
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| 22:21.46 | stone123 | great thanks stew |
| 22:21.53 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Eurgh, hand on. |
| 22:21.57 | Phated | Er, hang. |
| 22:22.00 | h3sp4wn | I know from experience (I suggested it to a friend it was more hassle than it was worth - I would just compile debootstrap from source) the deboostrap in gentoo is not sufficiently recent to debootstrap etch or sid without a little messing around |
| 22:22.03 | Ilovemypuppy | whats the ncurses utility to config my network? |
| 22:22.10 | karsten | SporkOfTruth: Try 'source' and then look for either 'kernel' or 'linux'. |
| 22:22.17 | karsten | Ilovemypuppy: vim |
| 22:22.20 | madman215 | stew do do i mount this? /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 |
| 22:22.22 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: etherconf. |
| 22:22.26 | streuner | Ilovemypuppy: /msg dpkg interfaces :-) |
| 22:22.28 | stew | SporkOfTruth: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:22.28 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: apt-get install, etc. |
| 22:22.29 | Ilovemypuppy | Phated, thank you. |
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| 22:22.33 | blondie | nano /etc/network/interfaces ;) |
| 22:22.42 | Phated | And this from "this guy has issues". <sigh> |
| 22:22.46 | stew | madman215: mount /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 /somewhere |
| 22:22.54 | Ilovemypuppy | um, this is the ncurses setup util on the disk |
| 22:22.55 | Phated | blondie: That's not strictly ncurses, is it? ;) |
| 22:23.04 | Ilovemypuppy | on the network install disk |
| 22:23.07 | SporkOfTruth | stew: Compile XFS support into my kernel. |
| 22:23.07 | madman215 | stew /anywhere, like any empty dir i want? |
| 22:23.08 | blondie | Phated: dunno, couldn't think of an editor that is :( |
| 22:23.11 | Ilovemypuppy | im pretty sure its still in my install |
| 22:23.14 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: its not runnable after the install |
| 22:23.15 | streuner | Phated: what's the problem today? you are in bad mood? |
| 22:23.18 | Phated | Ilovemypuppy: etherconf is the closest to an "ncurses interface". |
| 22:23.19 | Ilovemypuppy | weak! |
| 22:23.24 | Ilovemypuppy | ok thank you |
| 22:23.31 | blondie | SporkOfTruth: what kernel? xfs support is provided by default |
| 22:23.36 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:23.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:23.38 | blondie | on 2.6.8 anyway |
| 22:23.41 | SporkOfTruth | blondie: 2.4.27 |
| 22:23.47 | blondie | hm |
| 22:23.47 | Phated | blondie: compiled in, or as a module? Because he has a 2.4 that doesn't have either. |
| 22:23.49 | streuner | omg, TARZEAU ! :-)) |
| 22:23.52 | stew | SporkOfTruth: why not use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:23.59 | Phated | streuner: No, but I'm getting smacked for saying fuck, for not typing quickly enough for someone else, apparently, and so on. |
| 22:23.59 | blondie | well on 2.6.8 it's compiled in |
| 22:24.10 | tarzeau | streuner: bad habits stay |
| 22:24.15 | blondie | Phated: you said "fuck"? how wude :O |
| 22:24.23 | Phated | blondie: Mmrm, his symptoms indicate he doesn't have it either way :( |
| 22:24.26 | Phated | blondie: I know, sowwy missus. |
| 22:24.32 | tarzeau | streuner: i've got even less a life than abrotman |
| 22:24.37 | SporkOfTruth | stew: I'm worried about breakage. |
| 22:24.43 | david | thanks for the help guys :-D didn't totally work. so I'm off for a reboot, which means losing my gateway/internet |
| 22:24.48 | streuner | tarzeau: heh? |
| 22:24.55 | stew | SporkOfTruth: you can try it and still be able to fall back on 2.4 |
| 22:25.06 | streuner | since when is abrotman married? :-) |
| 22:25.08 | tarzeau | streuner: i should be in katjas bed making love to her, instead of idling here |
| 22:25.17 | streuner | haha |
| 22:25.17 | blondie | streuner: since the wedding! |
| 22:25.17 | tarzeau | streuner: he's not |
| 22:25.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's not true, is it? |
| 22:25.30 | Phated | Hrm, amusing, I can't actually find 2.4 kernel sources on sid by now. |
| 22:25.45 | streuner | blondie: oh? iam really not informed... |
| 22:25.46 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Check on packages.debian.org for your distro and see if you can find the package name for the sources. |
| 22:25.47 | stew | Phated: yes, support for 2.4 is all but dropped |
| 22:25.53 | Phated | stew: Exciting. |
| 22:25.55 | stew | SporkOfTruth: the 2.4 source pacakge is kernel-source-2.4.27 if you are on stable |
| 22:26.05 | blondie | streuner: i was being logical ;.; |
| 22:26.11 | SporkOfTruth | stew: Aha! |
| 22:26.16 | numer | is there a documentation on how to activate the ssl with apache2? |
| 22:26.26 | stew | SporkOfTruth: however with the next stable release (which should be in the next month or two) there will no longer be support for 2.4, you should consider moving to 2.6 |
| 22:26.26 | streuner | blondie, tarzeau: so what's true? |
| 22:26.37 | abrotman | i'm married? |
| 22:26.37 | tarzeau | streuner: he didn't marry |
| 22:26.39 | laidback_01 | stew: okay, looks like i have to build a really simple gentoo install, setup debootstrap, and install debian _ assuming I've partitioned the drive intelligently ;) thanks for the tip. |
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| 22:26.40 | streuner | oh |
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| 22:27.01 | tarzeau | blondie: wtf weeding? |
| 22:27.04 | stew | laidback_01: is definately recommend you try a newer installer first |
| 22:27.07 | streuner | too much IRC, how can someone marry then? :-) |
| 22:27.14 | stoned | lol |
| 22:27.19 | madman215 | Stew: is it mount -t vfat blah blah blah? |
| 22:27.21 | SporkOfTruth | stew: I probably will. I've been bugging my boss to handle that when I'm not here, but he's very set in his ways. |
| 22:27.24 | stoned | if hes not sleeping hes here |
| 22:27.35 | stoned | thats some dedication man |
| 22:27.36 | Phated | madman215: If you're mounting a vfat device, yes ;) |
| 22:27.49 | SporkOfTruth | He uses Solaris 7 and 8, if that tells you anything |
| 22:27.54 | stew | madman215: adding -t vfat doesn't hurt |
| 22:27.55 | tarzeau | streuner: going FOSDEM? |
| 22:28.15 | madman215 | mount: special device /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 does not exist |
| 22:28.15 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: <shrug> use your geeky wiles on him. |
| 22:28.19 | streuner | tarzeau: nah, he stay always in his local area ;-) |
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| 22:28.29 | tarzeau | streuner: i mean you |
| 22:28.30 | numer | i'm missing apache2-ssl-certificate does anyone know which package it is contained_ |
| 22:28.33 | stew | SporkOfTruth: well you can tell him that when EVEN DEBIAN is no longer supporting 2.4 its really time to move on :) |
| 22:28.39 | streuner | tarzeau: maybe |
| 22:29.04 | streuner | tarzeau: well, that's next year, isn't it? |
| 22:29.12 | tarzeau | streuner: february 007 |
| 22:29.20 | streuner | tarzeau: where? |
| 22:29.25 | tarzeau | belgium |
| 22:29.27 | madman215 | stew: mount: special device /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 does not exist |
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| 22:29.47 | styvy | slackware still runs kernel 2.4 as default, so why not |
| 22:29.53 | Phated | ehm? Shouldn't you be mounting /dev/sd?? |
| 22:30.07 | SporkOfTruth | Phated, stew: Haha. He got nervous when I did a dist-upgrade on one of the other systems, and it turned out that he was still using a 2.2 kernel. :/ |
| 22:30.12 | zasz | slackware is the devil |
| 22:30.12 | madman215 | Phated, i have no idea what i should be doing |
| 22:30.32 | Phated | SporkOfTruth: Tell him not to look, then. |
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| 22:30.44 | stew | there should be more stuff there. like it should be ..../lun0/disk0/part1 or something like that |
| 22:31.01 | stew | madman215: ^^^ did dmesg tell you that that is where you should be expecting the camera? |
| 22:31.07 | Phated | Bah, stew has this one, best not confuse madman215 with more than one person. |
| 22:32.05 | numer | i'm missing the hole ssl stuff, like the directory in /etc/apache2/ssl do i miss any packages_ |
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| 22:32.38 | madman215 | stew: it says sda: write protect is off and the next line is /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 22:32.55 | stew | madman215: mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 22:32.56 | Phated | madman215: Mount /dev/sda then. |
| 22:33.02 | heh_v_water | sda1 |
| 22:33.28 | stew | madman215: or try "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and see if it lists a partition |
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| 22:34.20 | stew | i'm happy that soon devfs paths will be a thing of the past |
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| 22:34.34 | heh_v_water | stew, please explain |
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| 22:34.46 | toad_ | name of a tool to convert text files between character sets? it comes with libc i think |
| 22:34.57 | chemaja | toad_: recode iconv |
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| 22:35.03 | madman215 | stew: it does and system is fat16 but when i try to mount it it says bad fstype bad option or bad superblock |
| 22:35.07 | stew | heh_v_water: i'll be happy whan all of this /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 stuff goes away |
| 22:35.22 | heh_v_water | stew, what will it be changing to? |
| 22:36.02 | stew | heh_v_water: that is the same as /dev/sda |
| 22:36.13 | stew | madman215: try /dev/sda1 |
| 22:36.19 | numer | stew you told me that ssl is include with apache2 but i also miss the certificate and ssl, have you got any ideas what i miss? |
| 22:36.28 | madman215 | stew: dmesg says fat bogus logical sector size |
| 22:36.30 | madman215 | 0 |
| 22:36.54 | heh_v_water | stew, I've never really gotten into that stuff thats why i ask.. I never understood what all that lun stuff was |
| 22:36.59 | madman215 | stew: you are the man |
| 22:37.03 | toad_ | chemaja: thanks |
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| 22:37.39 | rvsjoen | anyone know if its possible to make a single virtual user log in to a pureftpd account read only ? |
| 22:38.18 | rvsjoen | since all the virtual users bind to the same system user they all have the same permissions, just different home directories :/ |
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| 22:39.35 | karsten | rvsjoen: I guess the question is why would you allow random virtual users write access with system privileges? |
| 22:39.51 | kml | any ideas why it show only 10g of RAM instead of 16 when booting with smp kernel? |
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| 22:40.36 | stew | numer: apache2 definately includes ssl, perhaps you need to "a2enmod ssl" or something? i'm no apache2 expert. all my sites still run on 1.3 |
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| 22:40.36 | numer | stew thank you i'll try a2enmod ssl |
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| 22:40.42 | karsten | rvsjoen: I believe that feature is so that you can provide _read_-only access to different fooks, but sperate out what each can see. |
| 22:40.43 | stew | numer: what certificates do you think you are missing |
| 22:40.45 | chjunior | hi guys |
| 22:41.01 | timthelion | kml: I think you need to compile in 'large memory support'. Isn't smp generic? I think you need a 64 bit compiled kernel |
| 22:41.01 | chjunior | hi stew |
| 22:41.07 | stew | aloha |
| 22:41.11 | chjunior | aloha |
| 22:41.19 | rvsjoen | they are not random, they just map to the same system user. (ftpuser/ftpgroup) |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | timthelion: not likely .. it's either 960MB or 4GB or 64GB |
| 22:41.39 | numer | stew no i'm trying to build a site which should be ssl secured, unfortunatelly i'm missing the directory structure like /etc/apache2/ssl |
| 22:41.40 | chjunior | stew, did you like the new name of the next debian? |
| 22:42.10 | timthelion | I don't know then |
| 22:42.11 | stew | numer: what are you expecting to be in /etc/apache2/ssl ? |
| 22:42.22 | karsten | rvsjoen: I don't like the idea of giving out write privs to a system account via insecure auth mechanisms. I suspect you're abusing the feature. |
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| 22:42.42 | rvsjoen | for example I create user "tom" with homedir "/tomsftp" now tom can login and do whatever he wants in this chrooted folder.. now if "john" wants to read "tom"'s stuff I make a user for john with the same homedir as tom, the only difference is I want the account to be read-only |
| 22:42.42 | kml | is there away to tell if the current running kernel has large memory support? |
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| 22:43.02 | Phated | If you're seeing 10gig, it does :) |
| 22:43.10 | abrotman | kml: look in the config in /boot/ |
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| 22:43.11 | numer | stew: i had created certificates for the imap cyrus server and i thought i could use them aswell for ssl, i found in a documentation that this is the place where apache2 expects the certificates, therefore i was asking for this direcotory |
| 22:43.18 | Phated | (At least, it has for 4gig to 64gig.) |
| 22:43.18 | heh_v_water | anybody know of any logo plans for etch? I'd love to see logos with etch(kinda) with a debian logo on it |
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| 22:44.02 | rvsjoen | and once again, these are not system users, they are virtual users. They just need to map to a 'real' user for permission purposes |
| 22:44.46 | abrotman | kml: does the BIOS actually count it all ? |
| 22:44.53 | phogg | rvsjoen: for it to be read-only for some and read-write for others you must use more than one local account |
| 22:45.08 | stew | numer: you can put them there if you like |
| 22:45.09 | rvsjoen | phogg: ok, thanks |
| 22:45.42 | phogg | rvsjoen: unless your ftpd has a setting to deny all operations that change things, which I doubt. |
| 22:45.48 | stew | kml: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:46.00 | stew | kml: note that 64 bit kernels are all highmem kernels |
| 22:46.07 | kml | yes and single cpu kernel see all the rams also. |
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| 22:46.56 | stew | kml: not necessarily |
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| 22:48.59 | kml | what do you meant? |
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| 22:49.34 | bazz | if i run ldd on a binary and notice that it's looking at the wrong version of a particular lib (say one under /usr/lib rather than /usr/local/lib) is there any way i can change that other than re-compiling? |
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| 22:51.54 | dondelelcaro | bazz: add the other path to your ld.so.conf |
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| 22:52.23 | dondelelcaro | bazz: unfortunatly, if the library that you're looking at has been cosmically stupid and uses -rpath, you'll have to recompile or preload the library. |
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| 22:53.19 | RvGaTe | bb all, cya all tomorow when i'm at work |
| 22:54.23 | blondie | cute |
| 22:54.30 | karsten | So noticing that every PID entry under /proc has a /jounts' file. Any ways in which thi scan be used for per-process regiggering of the filesystem? |
| 22:54.38 | niles | what could be wrong with my computer, if i have code that never got a perror on connect() until now? |
| 22:54.40 | karsten | blondie: Necrophilia much? |
| 22:54.40 | niles | in a C program |
| 22:54.55 | niles | connect: Invalid argument |
| 22:54.56 | karsten | niles: Pretty much anything. |
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| 22:55.19 | karsten | niles: strace and gdb. |
| 22:55.25 | karsten | gdb & strace: niles |
| 22:55.27 | blondie | karsten: haha |
| 22:55.35 | karsten | niles: Why don't y'all have a few beers together? |
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| 22:55.50 | pickcoder | I wonder if strace and gdb is good for debugging function call errors |
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| 22:56.20 | niles | pickcoder: right i know what lines they're error |
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| 22:56.29 | niles | hence i checked for perror on the only call to connect() |
| 22:56.31 | niles | oh well |
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| 22:57.23 | pickcoder | if connect is truely saying one of the values is invalid, then the first step would be to output the argument values |
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| 22:58.03 | eguzkia | what is the command to format a pendrive? |
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| 22:58.06 | karsten | pickcoder: Well, you can look at the functions, inputs, outputs, and step through the calls. |
| 22:58.17 | karsten | eguzkia: mkfs.vfat in general. |
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| 22:59.21 | pickcoder | I'm guessing it has to do with gethostbyname |
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| 22:59.23 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:59.25 | SmallR2002 | anyone with much knowledge of multipathed tunnelling? |
| 22:59.33 | pickcoder | but that's just a shot in th dark |
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| 23:01.24 | niles | i was just wandering if that particual perror was relevent to a system setting. |
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| 23:03.34 | pickcoder | niles: I wouldn't think that token names or values should have changed for socket options, so I would wildly guess that it is probably an error in the remote address or port pointer. |
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| 23:04.00 | solars | hi, I want to open a a terminal with a specific program, like urxvt -e top however I don't want the terminal to be killed if I exit top, how can I do this ? |
| 23:04.02 | pickcoder | or invalid data is being passed |
| 23:04.14 | pickcoder | I.E. specifying a hostname when an IP address is required |
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| 23:05.46 | ukasz | hi |
| 23:05.53 | ukasz | i have just installed debian but i can't change in kcontrol guis for gtk to display as kde ones |
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| 23:06.04 | ukasz | do you folks know how to do that |
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| 23:06.20 | ukasz | i can't find it in kcontrol |
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| 23:06.48 | pickcoder | niles: was the program originall compiled for libc5? |
| 23:06.58 | pickcoder | ~originally |
| 23:07.50 | karsten | Does Linux have anything resembling a union mount? Other than bind / rbind? |
| 23:08.00 | dondelelcaro | karsten: like unionfs? |
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| 23:08.32 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Documented where? mount(8) isn't aware of it. |
| 23:08.50 | dondelelcaro | karsten: http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html |
| 23:10.01 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Danke. |
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| 23:13.31 | kimuSan^ | hi during setup of mysql and mysql-client I was asked somthing about if I neede to connect to mysql from other clients. it however turns out that I do need to do this. how do I get back to the configuration af change this ? |
| 23:13.49 | karsten | kimuSan^: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:13.49 | pickcoder | niles: your box has IPV4 right? |
| 23:14.05 | somiaj | kimuSan^: dpkg-reconfigure <package> is one way |
| 23:15.29 | kimuSan^ | it did not give me any options |
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| 23:15.59 | karsten | kimuSan^: You've read the man page, as directed, of course. |
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| 23:16.55 | stew | kimuSan^: what version of mysql-server is installed? |
| 23:16.57 | bazz | dondelelcaro: i have the other path listed first in my /etc/ld.so.conf how could i preload the library? |
| 23:17.00 | kimuSan^ | karsten: sure. only option that could probably help me was --force but that didnt do the job |
| 23:18.04 | stew | kimuSan^: you probably have the wrong package name, the packagename you are looking for is probably one of mysql-common mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common-4.1 mysql-common-5.0 etc |
| 23:18.57 | niles | pickcoder: correct. both client and server on the same box |
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| 23:19.40 | yassine | stew, btw what i wanted to select mysql-server-4.1 but aptitude does shows a message telling that its a transational package , any idea what that means ? |
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| 23:20.28 | kimuSan^ | stew: Ver 5.0.27-Debian_1-log |
| 23:20.47 | pickcoder | niles: is this your application |
| 23:21.19 | somiaj | kimuSan^: you could also modify the mysql config file that sets that open directally. |
| 23:21.28 | Debzlarl | Does anyone know what the gryphon protocol is usually used for? |
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| 23:23.12 | stew | yassine: yes, 4.1 is no longer available in testing/unstable, only 5.0, the 4.1 package is there so that users that have 4.1 installed will be forced via that package to upgrade to 5.0 |
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| 23:23.41 | yassine | i see thanks you, so i can go safly for the 5.0.x |
| 23:23.42 | xSpecialistx | i'd like know if debian a some easy way to install this driver Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL |
| 23:24.00 | stew | kimuSan^: then try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-client-5.0 ; or mysql-server-5.0 ; or mysql-common-5.0 |
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| 23:24.55 | kimuSan^ | stew: I did that...no luck :-/ |
| 23:24.58 | sid | So is etch frozen now? a soft freeze? |
| 23:25.16 | kimuSan^ | I get this one from an app I am installing (confixx): Unable to establish database connection: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
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| 23:26.24 | stew | kimuSan^: you have libmysqlclient15off installed? |
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| 23:28.10 | kimuSan^ | off? |
| 23:28.46 | nsx | anyone here know how you can classify outbound nat'd packets for traffic shaping, based on the LAN ip address that sent them (the problem is that linux seems to do postrouting nat before traffic shaping)? |
| 23:29.22 | geo-rge | !info xmlto |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | xmlto: (XML-to-any converter), section text, is optional. Version: 0.0.18-5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 23:29.36 | kimuSan^ | stew: yeps I have that one |
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| 23:32.29 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
| 23:32.53 | stew | nsx: i believe you can do it by marking the packet with iptables, then adding a routing rule based on fwmark |
| 23:32.55 | SmallR2002 | someone told me that debian couldn't do multipathed tunnelling and that i should use gentoo |
| 23:32.59 | geo-rge | I'm building a 2.6.18 kernel under sarge (mainly because I need modules and I have gcc-3something)... can I get the build-deps under sarge? |
| 23:33.07 | SmallR2002 | which leads me to ask, can debian? |
| 23:33.13 | Ilovemypuppy | ls |
| 23:33.26 | geo-rge | can prince albert! |
| 23:33.48 | kimuSan^ | stew: whats special about the off version of libmysqlclient? |
| 23:34.37 | SmallR2002 | i want to be able to transparently change physical network connections without loosing any of my tcp sessions |
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| 23:34.46 | stew | kimuSan^: its just the version after 15 (the upstream changed the protocol but for some reason didn't bump the number to 16) |
| 23:34.49 | geo-rge | SmallR2002: the question you're asking boils down to what facilities are necessary to do what you want, and how to get them |
| 23:35.07 | stew | nsx: do something like iptables -A PREROUTING -t mangle -s lan.ip.address -j MARK --set-mark-1 ; then i THINK you can add a ip rule to route to different queues based on fwmark |
| 23:35.12 | geo-rge | I thought it was the kernel that provided some or all of that facility |
| 23:35.13 | SmallR2002 | geo-rge, i think that applies to most questions |
| 23:35.23 | geo-rge | agreed |
| 23:35.33 | stew | nsx: i KNOW you can add a ip rule for fwmark, but i'm not sure if you can make tc see the mark |
| 23:36.16 | stew | SmallR2002: ask the someone which piece of software gentoo has that debian doens't have |
| 23:36.37 | SmallR2002 | they're gone now |
| 23:36.39 | SmallR2002 | anyway |
| 23:36.43 | SmallR2002 | that's not the important bit |
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| 23:36.56 | SmallR2002 | the important bit is, how do i do what i want w/o loosing too much of my hair |
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| 23:37.13 | geo-rge | so, if you wanted to do the person who told you gentoo-only a favor, you could ask him to compare any linux dist to any other in terms of what can really be accomplished on an individual basis and also what do they have in common |
| 23:37.40 | Ilovemypuppy | ok I have installed alsa-utils, I have modprobed snd-emu10k1 but when I type in alsamixer, it says no mixer elems found. plz help? |
| 23:37.46 | SmallR2002 | that's something along the lines of what i said |
| 23:37.56 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 23:38.02 | SmallR2002 | i get fed up of people saying 'does this distro support this driver?' |
| 23:38.17 | SmallR2002 | generally it's a kernel issue not a distro one |
| 23:38.22 | SmallR2002 | but, we're being distracted |
| 23:38.23 | geo-rge | SmallR2002: right, when the answer is "of course it does" |
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| 23:39.16 | SmallR2002 | what i want to do though, is be able to pull out my ethernet, and have all me connections use the wireless instead |
| 23:39.24 | geo-rge | so the only question remaining is "what are the actual pieces you need and how to either build+install or just install them, or do you already have enough installed" |
| 23:39.55 | geo-rge | that part, I'm not so sure of... it would have to do with altering the routing on the fly |
| 23:39.55 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, alsa-utils and alsa-base are installed, the module loaded, yet it says no mixer elems |
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| 23:40.09 | SmallR2002 | so, i can get up and walk off with my laptop w/o loosing all my TCP connections |
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| 23:40.20 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: and alsaconf ran successfully? |
| 23:40.25 | geo-rge | I've personally not done anything other than static routing |
| 23:40.35 | SmallR2002 | from what i know it'd have to tunnel to a 'bouncer', then from there out |
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| 23:40.50 | SmallR2002 | that way i could have the tunnel active on multiple interfaces, and as one goes down it'd use another |
| 23:40.51 | geo-rge | that sounds reasonable :) |
| 23:40.59 | geo-rge | but you knew that already |
| 23:41.18 | SmallR2002 | well, that's all theory, most people seem to be able to give me a naming idea, and no more |
| 23:41.47 | nsx | stew: yeah i know you can do it with iptables, but i'm trying to avoid that. i want to do it only with tc. |
| 23:41.51 | geo-rge | I'm wondering if it can be accomplished thru the use of a routing protocol |
| 23:42.05 | nsx | stew: from what i understand, you never *have* to use iptables |
| 23:42.10 | nsx | and doing so adds overhead |
| 23:42.24 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
| 23:42.35 | SmallR2002 | yeah, that sounds logical |
| 23:42.38 | stew | nsx: if you are natting the packet already, marking it can't be that much overhead |
| 23:42.42 | nsx | i assume this will work with firewall marking, anyway. i haven't tried that route yet. |
| 23:43.09 | nsx | stew: but the marks will be based on individual hosts, so yes, that will add overhead |
| 23:43.11 | Ilovemypuppy | stew thx |
| 23:43.13 | SmallR2002 | one thing, i would *like* to be able to use my phone as well |
| 23:43.14 | nsx | it's not a matter of just simply marking nat'd packets |
| 23:43.20 | geo-rge | SmallR2002: like, a router on your side having perhaps a list of interfaces thru which a connection could move to |
| 23:43.23 | nsx | it's a matter of marking certain packets from certain lan hosts |
| 23:43.24 | geo-rge | get a dsl :) |
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| 23:44.03 | SmallR2002 | if i could use my phone as a tertiary connection then i would be able to walk out of wireless range with ease |
| 23:44.13 | nsx | if i have to use firewall marking, that's the route i'll go.. but i'm hoping i can do this with tc filters :\ |
| 23:44.14 | geo-rge | I mean, what else? if you have dialup now, you have at least a coupla choices... get an out-of-band connection or get another phone line |
| 23:44.24 | nsx | surely there must be a way |
| 23:44.29 | SmallR2002 | i meant my mobile phone :P |
| 23:44.32 | SmallR2002 | i have dsl |
| 23:44.44 | geo-rge | oic |
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| 23:45.40 | geo-rge | I wonder if the folks on #networking would have a more specific solution or at least suggestion |
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| 23:45.51 | SmallR2002 | let us see |
| 23:45.57 | tuxedup | with the latest debian installer (etch rc1) is it possible for me pass a boot parametre that means the desktop package group will install kde instead of gnome? |
| 23:46.04 | d4m3ntz | woops, mom came home, i retreated to my room |
| 23:46.24 | geo-rge | tuxedup: yes, and you shouldn't need a boot param for that |
| 23:46.33 | mango | hi guys, I was told yesterday to use a wirefire cable in order to get into my power pd G4 notbook, as I forgot the password. I have the cable now. I booted G4 with all options I could think of.... the "t" key, "n" key and even the aple key , it alway give me the normal boot options cdrom and linux, but with the "n" key I get a kind of a network boot. on the on other side of the cable I am running debian etch, the message I get when start the mac machis is the f |
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| 23:47.28 | tuxedup | geo-rge: after i have slected the group does it ask me which desktop enviroment, or does it install kde, gnome and xfce? |
| 23:47.51 | geo-rge | one approach... |
| 23:48.18 | mrcheeks | tuxedup:I would do a base install and do after apt-get install xfce4, kde or gnome |
| 23:48.35 | mrcheeks | I think it will install kde and gnome |
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| 23:48.57 | geo-rge | install only the base (make sure to config your networking, probably as early in the install as you can) then when you reboot, install kde as you normally would (apt-get install kde x-window-system-core xbase-clients) |
| 23:49.06 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, it worked great - thanks |
| 23:49.10 | tuxedup | mrcheeks: i usualy just do a base instlal and then build it up with kdebase, kdm etc. |
| 23:49.15 | creature | Hello. If I install a kernel image I've made myself with make-kpkg, what does that do with the previous kernel? |
| 23:49.22 | kimuSan^ | stew: can it be that DBI (perl) is not up-to-date in debian ? |
| 23:49.27 | stew | creature: nothing |
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| 23:49.37 | creature | stew: It just installs over the top of it? |
| 23:49.52 | geo-rge | creature: should still be there in /boot, and you should be able to boot the earlier kernels |
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| 23:50.06 | stew | kimuSan^: i dont' think so. i'm having no problems with DBI and libmysqlclient15off |
| 23:50.14 | creature | geo-rge: All of my earlier kernels, or just the most previous one? |
| 23:50.22 | geo-rge | all |
| 23:50.24 | heh_v_water | unless for soem weird reason the kernel is named the same as one already in there |
| 23:50.28 | creature | See, I have a Debian stock kernel, and I tried compiling my own. But I missed something out of the config, and it kernel panics on startup. |
| 23:50.32 | geo-rge | especially easy if you use grub |
| 23:50.44 | stew | creature: which bootloader do you use? grub? lilo? |
| 23:50.57 | geo-rge | why does it panic? |
| 23:51.00 | creature | So I've rebuilt it, and I think I've got it right this time, but if it deprecates the most recent to a backup place, then I'm screwed. |
| 23:51.07 | creature | stew: I use grub. |
| 23:51.17 | creature | geo-rge: I can't remember the exact reason. I think I didn't have support for my IDE chipset in. |
| 23:51.18 | geo-rge | oh, easy as cake then |
| 23:51.20 | stew | creature: the stock kernel should still appear in the gub menu |
| 23:51.26 | stew | !can't mount root |
| 23:51.26 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 23:51.37 | creature | I thought I'd forgotten a filesystem driver but I've checked those. |
| 23:51.41 | geo-rge | oh, "cannot mount root filesystem" then? |
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| 23:52.07 | creature | It was something like that. |
| 23:52.07 | creature | It definitely mentioned /dev/hda5. |
| 23:52.55 | geo-rge | it's nice that you can build a initrd kernel image, and compile all the drivers as modules that you -think- might be it |
| 23:53.02 | creature | OK, so my new kernel has just finished building. I can install it without doing anything special, right? |
| 23:53.23 | geo-rge | when you install an initrd kernel image, it creates the initrd on the fly with the modules needed to mount / |
| 23:53.41 | stew | geo-rge: depending on how the .deb was built |
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| 23:53.50 | geo-rge | did you make-kpkg --initrd? |
| 23:54.09 | creature | Oh awesome, it does have the old version in there. |
| 23:54.23 | geo-rge | if -no-, everything has to be in the kernel |
| 23:54.32 | geo-rge | by everything... |
| 23:54.38 | geo-rge | I mean what's needed to mount / |
| 23:54.41 | creature | OK, no, that didn't work. |
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| 23:54.48 | geo-rge | why? |
| 23:54.55 | creature | Hold on, I'll pastebin it. |
| 23:55.10 | geo-rge | is it still "can't mount /"? |
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| 23:55.39 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, shoutcast works!!! thanks for your help today |
| 23:56.01 | creature | http://pastie.caboo.se/25161 |
| 23:56.03 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: you're welcome |
| 23:56.06 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:56.06 | creature | "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 23:56.27 | stew | creature: read what dpkg said ; you either forgot your fs driver (ext3?) or your IDE controller |
| 23:56.48 | havocologe | i know that there was a website that listed in which apt-package a specific tool was but i lost the url. anybody has such an url ready ? |
| 23:56.54 | stew | creature: they need to be compiled directly in (*) not as modules (M). or you need to build an initrd (either --initrd to make-kpkg, or manually build one) |
| 23:57.16 | stew | havocologe: packages.debian.org ; or /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:57.29 | havocologe | thanks stew |
| 23:57.31 | geo-rge | creature: ok, did you build the drivers as modules? if so, either change them to * or build initrd kernel-image |
| 23:57.37 | buggarage | woah siddy cmu works |
| 23:57.43 | creature | stew: I definitely didn't forget the filesystem. |
| 23:57.56 | stew | creature: then it was IDE |
| 23:58.01 | creature | I'm not sure about the IDE chipset. How can I find out what driver I'm currently using for that? |
| 23:58.37 | geo-rge | creature: lsmod and look at the list you get |
| 23:59.06 | creature | It's quite a long list. |
| 23:59.10 | stew | creature: what does "lspci -n | grep 0101" say? |
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| 23:59.38 | Ilovemypuppy | damn that was easy. |
| 23:59.40 | stew | creature: specifically, what is in the 3rd column? something like "8086:0123" |
| 23:59.43 | creature | "00:1f.1 0101: 8086:248a (rev 02) |
| 23:59.46 | Ilovemypuppy | good stuff, ill be lurkin |
| 23:59.54 | stew | creature: thats intel piix |
