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| 00:00.27 | creature | Yeah, that was in as a module, not as a built-in. |
| 00:00.39 | geo-rge | stu: howbout this: 0000:00:02.5 0101: 1039:5513 |
| 00:00.45 | creature | If I do a make-kpkg kernel_image, will everything work OK? I'd like to not have to rebuild everything from scratch, if possible. |
| 00:00.55 | geo-rge | creature: so you could add --initrd to the make-kpkg |
| 00:00.57 | stew | geo-rge: thats sis5513 |
| 00:01.05 | abrotman | stu? |
| 00:01.08 | creature | geo-rge: Nah, I'd like to get it working without. |
| 00:01.14 | creature | I'm just interested in "will it rebuild the bits it needs to". |
| 00:01.21 | geo-rge | stew: how do you get that so fast? |
| 00:01.22 | stew | geo-rge: (grep "1039.*5513" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap) |
| 00:01.52 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 00:01.52 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 00:01.55 | abrotman | is another way |
| 00:02.27 | geo-rge | so you take the last thing, replace the colon with .*, feed that as re to grep and go from there |
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| 00:02.45 | stew | geo-rge: but 8086 is always intel, 1039 is sis, 1022 is always amd... |
| 00:02.45 | geo-rge | !witch driver |
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| 00:02.55 | geo-rge | gotcha |
| 00:03.31 | stew | !which module for 0101 |
| 00:03.31 | dpkg | to find which modules supports 0101, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/0101/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 00:03.36 | creature | So, will make-kpkg rebuild only the bits that I've reconfigured for my system? |
| 00:03.59 | geo-rge | unless it does a make clean |
| 00:04.09 | geo-rge | which it probably does unfortunately |
| 00:04.10 | creature | Doesn't seem to. |
| 00:04.13 | abrotman | i think make-kpkg does |
| 00:04.28 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know of a PDF or Html, as in something like a book, That Talks about Debian Through and Through |
| 00:04.55 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: debiansystem.info |
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| 00:05.08 | DavidProck1981 | what is that, a url |
| 00:05.13 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: yes |
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| 00:05.25 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: dunno, but there is an orielly book on running debian linux (I believe that's the title) |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | debian.org/books |
| 00:05.27 | gravity | Isn't the oreilly book ancient? |
| 00:05.32 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | very old ... slink |
| 00:05.45 | gravity | There's the Debian Bible, and the Debian System (which Guerin pointed out) |
| 00:05.48 | DavidProck1981 | im going to be loseing my internet soon and i feal i will nead something like that |
| 00:05.48 | gravity | Both of those are new |
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| 00:06.31 | stew | DavidProck1981: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 00:06.31 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: what's your present specific goal? |
| 00:06.54 | geo-rge | (you -don't- need -everything-, I can almost guarantee you that) |
| 00:06.59 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 00:07.08 | creature | Same kernel panic. Grr. |
| 00:07.19 | blondie | hm |
| 00:07.34 | creature | Well, I think I'm going to go to bed. Tomorrow I'll do a make clean and rebuild from scratch. |
| 00:07.36 | geo-rge | mmmh |
| 00:07.44 | stew | creature: why are you building in the first place? |
| 00:07.52 | geo-rge | or start it now then go to sleeep |
| 00:07.56 | DavidProck1981 | debian.org/books is not a valid url |
| 00:07.59 | creature | Partially because I quite like being bleeding edge. |
| 00:07.59 | stew | creature: you are installing the new .deb after you re-build it, right? |
| 00:08.08 | creature | But mainly because I want the hostap drivers for my wireless card. |
| 00:08.09 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 00:08.09 | stew | creature: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:08.11 | creature | stew: I am, yes. |
| 00:08.23 | creature | stew - testing. |
| 00:08.34 | stew | creature: the hostap drivers in the stock kernel in testing work fine |
| 00:08.34 | geo-rge | do you do update-grub? |
| 00:08.35 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | i was close |
| 00:08.50 | creature | geo-rge: It gets updated as part of the install process. |
| 00:08.57 | creature | stew: I don't seem to have them on my system. |
| 00:09.08 | stew | creature: what does uname -r say? |
| 00:09.24 | creature | I don't know, I've shut the machine down now. |
| 00:09.25 | geo-rge | "I am a teapot short and stout!" |
| 00:09.47 | stew | creature: '/sbin/modprobe -l | grep hostap' would likely show you that you do have hostap drivers |
| 00:10.03 | creature | Well, I did an "updatedb" and then "locate hostap" and I didn't. |
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| 00:10.34 | stew | creature: you should install a debian kernel then |
| 00:11.10 | DavidProck1981 | geo-rge: i just want to feal comftorble that i could handle the most simplest thing that i could run into |
| 00:11.17 | creature | stew: I was using a stock kernel. |
| 00:11.24 | stew | creature: then you have the hostap drivers |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | creature: which versino of debian ? |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | !books |
| 00:11.35 | dpkg | i heard books is http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 00:11.42 | creature | I am not entirely sure. Etch, I think. |
| 00:12.20 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: you -could- get into your shell... and learn it back and fore |
| 00:12.34 | cat | Error loading '/home/cat/.xchat2/xmms.pl': Can't locate Xmms/Remote.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 4) line 1. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 4) line 1. |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | so install it ? |
| 00:12.45 | cat | any one know why? i was using an xchat script |
| 00:12.48 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean by that |
| 00:12.50 | cat | abrotman: what is the plugin name? |
| 00:12.53 | abrotman | !find Remote.pm sarge |
| 00:12.55 | stew | DavidProck1981: read the debian-reference |
| 00:13.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Remote.pm' (1): (/usr/lib/perl5/Xmms/Remote.pm) in perl/libxmms-perl. |
| 00:13.06 | abrotman | weeee |
| 00:13.19 | DavidProck1981 | im installing the refrance now, how will i read it |
| 00:13.20 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: so you want to learn about debian... I have that part right, yes? |
| 00:13.32 | stew | creature: you don't have the current etch kernel then. hostap has been in the last few etch kernels |
| 00:13.33 | DavidProck1981 | YES |
| 00:13.39 | abrotman | refrance .. aka Quebec? |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | stew: the sarge kernels don't have hostap |
| 00:14.00 | stew | abrotman: nope |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | (i know he said he thinks he's running etch) |
| 00:14.10 | geo-rge | ok, debian (and every other unixalike) has lots and lots and LOTS of moving parts |
| 00:14.23 | DavidProck1981 | after i install the debian-reference how will i read it |
| 00:14.29 | geo-rge | one set of moving parts that you can look more closely at is your shell |
| 00:14.38 | stew | abrotman: 2.6.15 does. 2.6.12 doesn't that's all i have handy |
| 00:14.45 | DavidProck1981 | see i dont even know that |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | they're HTML |
| 00:15.14 | DavidProck1981 | there they located |
| 00:15.17 | cat | DavidProck1981: look on /usr/share/doc |
| 00:15.21 | geo-rge | ok, so you're a beginner... that shouldn't be a problem.... but remember that it -will- take time to get familiar |
| 00:15.27 | stew | DavidProck1981: read /usr/share/doc/debian/reference/README.Debian |
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| 00:15.46 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about refcard |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about grounding |
| 00:16.31 | cat | point mozilla to /usr/share/doc |
| 00:16.48 | geo-rge | file:/usr/share/doc |
| 00:16.58 | cat | or in the url bar put /usr/share/doc |
| 00:17.01 | geo-rge | is dwww still maintained? |
| 00:17.34 | cat | indeed |
| 00:18.03 | stew | DavidProck1981: err read /usr/share/doc/debian-reference/README.Debian |
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| 00:18.27 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: installing apache (or other web server) and dwww would go a fairly long way toward making your debian self-documenting |
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| 00:19.15 | Guerin | simple way to recursively chmod all directories in a tree to 644 and all files to 775? |
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| 00:19.26 | DavidProck1981 | i have apache installed http://71.71.60.194 |
| 00:19.43 | geo-rge | Guerin: woulhnd't you want the opposite of that? |
| 00:19.46 | Guerin | bah, 664 |
| 00:20.06 | Guerin | geo-rge: or to any other number |
| 00:20.11 | geo-rge | dirs should have x bit, files generally not... but I dunno :) |
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| 00:20.13 | eduhat | hey guys |
| 00:20.14 | geo-rge | use find |
| 00:20.15 | abrotman | Guerin: directories only ? |
| 00:20.17 | Guerin | geo-rge: the process is what I'm concerned with, not the details |
| 00:20.24 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. find |
| 00:20.36 | Guerin | that's what I thought |
| 00:20.42 | geo-rge | ok, find . -type (put f or d here) |
| 00:20.48 | Guerin | yeah |
| 00:20.51 | eduhat | i tried to install superkaramba for kde, but it says something about missing candidates... what does that mean? |
| 00:20.53 | jelly-home | Guerin: find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 775 |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | dork! |
| 00:20.58 | Guerin | i know how to use fiund |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | keyboard is a bit tricky eh ? |
| 00:21.12 | Guerin | i just wanted to know if chmod could distinguish between directories and files |
| 00:21.22 | geo-rge | but kan yue spel aht? |
| 00:21.22 | jelly-home | Guerin: why should it? |
| 00:21.36 | Guerin | jelly-home: why shouldn't it? |
| 00:21.53 | jelly-home | there are legitimate reasons to have non-executable dirs and executable files |
| 00:22.08 | geo-rge | sure |
| 00:22.19 | stew | Guerin: find | xargs chmod og+rwX,a+r,a-wx |
| 00:22.22 | geo-rge | it's just not the norm, which is why I asked |
| 00:22.26 | jelly-home | Guerin: we eagerly await your patch. :-P |
| 00:22.40 | Guerin | stew: lagging a bit? |
| 00:22.55 | geo-rge | probalbaly more than one bit! |
| 00:23.10 | stew | Guerin: X means +x for directories and not for files (unless the file was already +x) |
| 00:23.16 | jelly-home | ooh |
| 00:23.28 | Guerin | stew: oh, so that can be used without find? |
| 00:23.29 | jelly-home | !win stew |
| 00:23.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:23.35 | stew | Guerin: yes |
| 00:23.45 | stew | right, so add = -r and lose find and xargs |
| 00:23.48 | Guerin | !beer stew |
| 00:23.48 | stew | err -R |
| 00:23.52 | Supaplex | !pal /proc/self |
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| 00:31.34 | maher | why can't my wireless devices keep a connection up for more than half an hour ata time? |
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| 00:32.17 | geo-rge | they want to watch old episodes of the three stooges? |
| 00:32.32 | geo-rge | seriously... are there logs? |
| 00:32.49 | maher | geo-rge: sometime my life seems like a one man reanactment of odl three stooges eposodes |
| 00:33.14 | maher | geo-rge: of course there are no logs because I only buy the cheapest possible wireless routers.... |
| 00:33.43 | stew | Guerin: acutally i just noticed that you can use = instead of +,- so it becomes chmod -R og=rwX,a=r |
| 00:33.53 | Guerin | oo, cool |
| 00:34.36 | geo-rge | maher: so the device that's losing the connection is not actually a computer running some linux dist? |
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| 00:35.25 | maher | geo-rge: i'm just whining in public - something between the wireless bridge/wireless router/cable modem is flaking out |
| 00:35.26 | stew | Guerin: err |
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| 00:36.11 | stew | Guerin: err make that ug=rwX,o=r |
| 00:37.08 | stew | this is why i never use the symbolic modes, i always get ugoa mixed up |
| 00:37.35 | geo-rge | maher: ok :) hope you can find the problem |
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| 00:42.20 | olskolirc | everyone sleep |
| 00:42.24 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:42.26 | Ronin | not yet |
| 00:42.30 | olskolirc | k |
| 00:43.12 | itchi | I have an 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 02) so i should have /dev/sda but i have /dev/hda on the laptop. Is ata_piix and libata the right modules for it? |
| 00:44.04 | stew | itchi: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:44.21 | itchi | stew : 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:44.46 | Guerin | whate kernel is used for coreduo or core2duo cpu? |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:44.58 | itchi | Guerin: smp? |
| 00:45.00 | Guerin | plain-old i686 with/without SMP? |
| 00:45.04 | stew | then it should be /dev/sd?? in 2.4 it would have been /dev/hd??. i think ata_piix is correct |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | all smp now |
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| 00:45.10 | Guerin | but i686 |
| 00:45.15 | Guerin | not some other stupid arch? |
| 00:45.16 | stew | hrm, does anyone know if i should have to do more than tunnel tcp/3389 in order to tunnel a rdp conection? |
| 00:45.41 | itchi | stew: dma is not enabled and he not want it and i also get some errors in /var/log/messages about it i thing |
| 00:45.49 | itchi | s/thing/think/ |
| 00:46.04 | liable | Guerin: iirc >= .17 theres no -smp kernels, its built in some how |
| 00:46.18 | Guerin | huh, ok |
| 00:46.21 | stew | aren't the coreduos amd64? |
| 00:46.25 | geo-rge | so there's not a choice anymore? |
| 00:46.53 | stew | geo-rge: not using debian stock kernels (at least for i386 and amd64) |
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| 00:47.33 | abrotman | stew: X2 |
| 00:47.36 | yassine | anyone of you guys can points me to an actual docs on how to set up openldap in debian ? |
| 00:47.46 | stew | abrotman: you sank my battleship! |
| 00:47.47 | kimuSan^ | anyone that knows which apache2 mod that holds the suexec ? |
| 00:47.56 | abrotman | ayeeeeeeeee |
| 00:48.31 | yassine | i have found a dosen of them via google but have tried 3 untill now and me still have no success |
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| 00:50.08 | itchi | stew: http://pastebin.ca/262936 |
| 00:50.23 | DavidProck1981 | have any of u ever used win4lin pro |
| 00:50.39 | geo-rge | !u |
| 00:50.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:50.58 | DavidProck1981 | have any of you ever used win4lin pro |
| 00:51.01 | itchi | Guerin: I had need to install linux-image-2.6-686-smp too |
| 00:51.15 | Guerin | itchi: on etch? |
| 00:51.21 | olskolirc | abrotmannnnnnnn yippieeeeeeeee |
| 00:51.48 | itchi | Guerin: Yes, and /proc/cpuinfo tells then about the both cpu's |
| 00:51.52 | kimuSan^ | hmm I keep getting this apache2-common: Depends: apache2-utils (= 2.0.54-5sarge1) but 2.2.3-3.1 is to be installed |
| 00:52.06 | Guerin | kimuSan^: don't mis distros |
| 00:52.10 | itchi | Guerin: With linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:52.11 | Guerin | s/mis/mix/ |
| 00:52.23 | kimuSan^ | mix? |
| 00:52.44 | itchi | Guerin: I not realy understand why we need the both |
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| 00:53.19 | abrotman | kimuSan^: your system is trying to install packages from etch/sid .. mixing is bad |
| 00:53.38 | kimuSan^ | hmmm weird. it shouldnt |
| 00:53.42 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know of some thing that will let u install windows inside linux, all i would want it for is so i can run mu windows CD Games, need full graphic support |
| 00:53.45 | abrotman | let's see your sources |
| 00:53.46 | jelly-home | s/distros/releases/ ? |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
| 00:54.05 | itchi | Guerin: That smp package is quasy emtpy, just changelog, so it's build in like abrotman told |
| 00:54.07 | kimuSan^ | abrotman: sec. |
| 00:54.07 | stew | kimuSan^: you are trying to mix stable and testing which isnt' supported |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | itchi: huh ? |
| 00:54.16 | stew | kimuSan^: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 00:54.47 | DavidProck1981 | u = you |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman | kimuSan^: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:54.56 | Supaplex | kimuSan^: mixing of different releases earns you a debian milkshake. |
| 00:55.02 | itchi | abrotman: No? |
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| 00:55.11 | abrotman | itchi: what are you talking about ? |
| 00:55.16 | Supaplex | the first bite might be tasty, but ... :) |
| 00:55.18 | stew | i want a milkshake! |
| 00:55.20 | geo-rge | you can sometimes compile testing packages on stabler |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 00:55.21 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 00:55.50 | stew | hopefully someone will come up with a good bobbitt for lenny, we failed miserably with flamethrower |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | guess we'll have to come up with something for etch |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | stew: that was mine .. and the best i could come up with :) |
| 00:56.16 | geo-rge | just do this... |
| 00:56.21 | stew | abrotman: i know. i tried too |
| 00:56.27 | itchi | abrotman: I looking to the smp stuff too, like it's new for my and trying to ask the question to. Just discover that linux-image-2.6-686-smp is near empty also, so not realy needed |
| 00:56.35 | yassine | how can restart the configuration of openldap ? |
| 00:56.44 | yassine | debconf ? |
| 00:56.45 | stew | yassine: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 00:56.45 | itchi | abrotman: Looks like that have change a bit |
| 00:56.46 | DavidProck1981 | lator all |
| 00:56.47 | Supaplex | stew: magic missle! attack the proud and stubborn packaging system on his box :-D |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | stew: it idea is obvious .. when you shake the etchasketch .. it kills the picture .. |
| 00:56.52 | yassine | thanks stew |
| 00:56.55 | geo-rge | dpkg, flamethrower =~ s/sarge/stable/ |
| 00:56.55 | dpkg | geo-rge: OK |
| 00:56.57 | itchi | abrotman: But still new for me duo core |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | geo-rge: no |
| 00:57.00 | stew | abrotman: ooh |
| 00:57.06 | geo-rge | that will make it work for all time |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | geo-rge: don't do that |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | geo-rge: you missed the point |
| 00:57.25 | DavidProck1981 | is it later or lator |
| 00:57.25 | liable | itchi: 2.6-686-smp is a meat package |
| 00:57.27 | geo-rge | oh, ok... what was that? |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 00:57.32 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 00:57.33 | liable | itchi: *meta |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | see .. one for each release! |
| 00:57.43 | itchi | liable: Yup, just discover it :-) |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | stew: but i can't think of a trigger for it |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | stew: !shakeit ? |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | or just !shake |
| 00:58.20 | Ronin | geo-rge: point is dont mix and match |
| 00:58.30 | geo-rge | so that's saying that when you install sarge on your woody you get bobbitized?? |
| 00:58.31 | Ronin | unless you want to blow up of course |
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| 00:59.00 | abrotman | !shake |
| 00:59.01 | dpkg | When you shake the etchasketch, the picture gets all messed up. This also happens when you mix etch with testing/unstable sources. |
| 00:59.04 | abrotman | stew: ^^ |
| 00:59.17 | stew | !pony abrotman |
| 00:59.21 | geo-rge | !shakenbake |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | guess that should be etch-a-sketch |
| 01:00.08 | abrotman | done~! |
| 01:00.16 | geo-rge | don't bletch... and don't install sid vicious on your etchasketch |
| 01:00.41 | itchi | When i have installed this laptop i had need to give install libata.atapi_enable=1 Otherwise the cd rom and hdd was not detected. Looks like that param now give some errors http://pastebin.ca/262936 after the installation. Should i remove that param? It's an 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 02) |
| 01:01.12 | geo-rge | itchi: what did you change to make it not work? |
| 01:01.29 | JJCale | anyone knows what's the difference between the debian LiceCD and the debian etch netinst? which one is better? which one should I choose? |
| 01:01.43 | abrotman | one is a liveCD .. one is an instller |
| 01:01.49 | Supaplex | JJCale: the lice one is bad for the kids. |
| 01:01.54 | itchi | geo-rge: Nothings, just fresh install and got it |
| 01:01.56 | Supaplex | ohhh you meant live. |
| 01:01.59 | geo-rge | debian has a licecd now? |
| 01:02.11 | Supaplex | yea, you can even roll your own. |
| 01:02.12 | itchi | geo-rge: Unofficially |
| 01:02.14 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 01:02.15 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 01:02.37 | itchi | Or is that now official? |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | it's a project |
| 01:02.58 | geo-rge | itchi: you must have done something between the time it was working and when it didn't... |
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| 01:03.29 | itchi | geo-rge: Tested 3 times, 3 times reinstall |
| 01:04.14 | JJCale | the liveCD is bad for the kids?? I didn'u understood, sorry |
| 01:04.14 | geo-rge | if you can look at what you did exactly, and look at how each piece of that affected the whole thing, you will find what specifically caused the problme |
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| 01:04.23 | geo-rge | well the livecd has sharp edges |
| 01:04.30 | itchi | geo-rge: Man, i already told you it come after an _fresh_ install |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | JJCale: the netinst is an installer .. the livecd is a livecd |
| 01:04.51 | itchi | geo-rge: Reinstalled the laptop 3 times especially for that trouble |
| 01:05.01 | geo-rge | itchi: so what part of that fresh install actually caused the problem? |
| 01:05.03 | itchi | To test out the trouble |
| 01:05.12 | itchi | geo-rge: The error |
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| 01:05.30 | itchi | geo-rge: The pastebin |
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| 01:06.01 | itchi | Also there's no dma and it should be /dev/sdx and have /dev/hdx |
| 01:06.12 | geo-rge | which one, which package, what kernel, what module or driver in that kernel caused the problem? (notice I'm making YOU do the thinking) |
| 01:06.17 | JJCale | that means I can't install from the LiceCD, as one can do with Ubuntu LiveCD? |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | LIVE |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | JJCale: ask #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | or just try it |
| 01:07.13 | Ronin | lice? we have lice? ewwwww |
| 01:07.13 | carbon60 | If top shows 100% user cpu usage but no processes that are using CPU, what does it mean? |
| 01:07.13 | abrotman | !bug Ronin |
| 01:07.13 | dpkg | bug Ronin can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=Ronin |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:07.24 | Ronin | heh |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | carbon60: something is using it |
| 01:07.52 | carbon60 | abrotman: Well, yes. The question is what? |
| 01:08.03 | itchi | I use the module ata_piix and libata with 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 01:08.24 | itchi | But i'm not yet sure if it's the right one, have looked in modconf and it's looks like |
| 01:08.29 | geo-rge | itchi: ok, and so does that -work- or -not work-? |
| 01:08.57 | itchi | geo-rge: Nope, like it's not used as SATA and dma is off, kinda slow |
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| 01:09.34 | geo-rge | I thought newer drivers stopped using the scsi subsystem |
| 01:09.36 | itchi | geo-rge: hdparm -d /dev/hda tell me it's off |
| 01:09.47 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:09.50 | ryan` | how can NICs be forced to be in a particular order? |
| 01:10.06 | itchi | geo-rge: Dec 1 02:05:19 localhost kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized |
| 01:10.11 | geo-rge | can you live with dma off for a day or so while you explore the problem? |
| 01:10.20 | itchi | geo-rge: Somethings others, that ata_piix |
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| 01:10.31 | ryan` | I'm trying the alias modules thing, but not having any luck with that. |
| 01:10.51 | carbon60 | abrotman: So how can I tell what is eating CPU time? |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | see if there are any zombies |
| 01:11.10 | itchi | geo-rge: No problem, i near 2 week already so, just hope it goes solved an day and for those who have the same laptop |
| 01:11.19 | carbon60 | Processes that are "D"? |
| 01:11.23 | carbon60 | Right? |
| 01:11.24 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 01:11.24 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:11.34 | Renfyeld | Hello. |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | D is uninteruptable |
| 01:11.54 | abrotman | wow . nice spelling |
| 01:11.54 | Frederick | folks i want to set up hhtp_proxy as a enviroment variable to be loaded with the system in wich file can i do it? |
| 01:11.59 | carbon60 | Oh. And a zombie process can eat CPU? |
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| 01:12.18 | Frederick | profile or bashrc? |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | i'd think so .. but don't hold me to it |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 01:12.43 | Renfyeld | Looking at the man page for interfaces, it appears that Debian is understands having a laptop on more than one network. Is there further documentation on how to set this up correctly? |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | carbon60: you can't find anything at all? anything consuming increasing amounts of RAM or anything ? |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | Renfield: there are packages for managing that |
| 01:13.10 | Renfyeld | Specifically, at work I need NIS and automount running, and at home I do not. |
| 01:13.18 | Renfyeld | abrotman: What are they? |
| 01:13.20 | Frederick | abrotman: and the estatament is export HTTP_PROXY="www-cache.uni-kl.de:3128" |
| 01:13.32 | Frederick | or I cut the export part? |
| 01:13.36 | carbon60 | abrotman: Well, unless I'm incorrectly using top, I see 100% cpu usage and the top process in the list is at 3%. (Sorted by CPU usage) |
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| 01:13.41 | abrotman | Frederick: roughly |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | Renfield: apt-cache search |
| 01:13.54 | Frederick | abrotman: what? |
| 01:13.54 | carbon60 | And system load is at 4.00. |
| 01:13.57 | itchi | geo-rge: In the begin, it was no more possible to modprobe ata_piix and libata. I had discover with modconf; wanted to load that module and saw that atapi_enable=1 param. So i have remove it. And then he wanted to load the module. Before he gave alsways that error. So i can now load that module. Just that somewhere there is some reference to atapi_enable=1 . I had find in /etc/modules.conf but it looks not enought |
| 01:14.00 | carbon60 | Steady. |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | Frederick: shuld be close .. might not need " |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | carbon60: is it swapping a lot ? |
| 01:14.18 | carbon60 | Not at all. |
| 01:14.23 | Renfyeld | abrotman: What am I searching for? Where do I begin? |
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| 01:14.37 | carbon60 | abrotman: In fact, this is a 3.8GHx Xeon with 4G of memory. (Single CPU) |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | Renfield: apt-cache search <search terms> .. such as apt-cache search laptop network |
| 01:15.10 | abrotman | carbon60: doesn't mean it can't be swapping |
| 01:15.39 | carbon60 | abrotman: 2.5G of free memory. |
| 01:15.43 | itchi | geo-rge: In modconf.conf i have commented that line #options libata atapi_enable=1 |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | vmstat .. are si and so 0 ? |
| 01:15.55 | Frederick | anyone can please confirm this for me? |
| 01:16.04 | carbon60 | abrotman: I didn't run that. |
| 01:16.14 | carbon60 | abrotman: The system is currently idle, unfortunately. |
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| 01:16.24 | abrotman | with a load of 4 ? |
| 01:16.45 | geo-rge | itchi: so then, maybe you'd reboot to see if it works... |
| 01:16.57 | carbon60 | abrotman: Sorry, this is an intermittent load spike during normal hours of usage. (e.g. during the day) |
| 01:17.05 | itchi | geo-rge: On http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 there's an article about my laptop i'm writing where all the details about it are |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | carbon60: oh .. lovely |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | carbon60: so it's not happening right now ? |
| 01:17.26 | carbon60 | abrotman: Correct. |
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| 01:17.39 | abrotman | carbon60: well .. that'll be fun |
| 01:17.44 | carbon60 | But it will spend the entire day at 4.0. |
| 01:17.44 | geo-rge | itchi: very good thing to do... then, every time you ask about it, you have that article you made |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | carbon60: any cron tasks at that time ? |
| 01:17.50 | itchi | geo-rge: Did the reboot already, but looks there is somewhere still that say to load it as libata atapi_enable=1 i think?? |
| 01:18.04 | itchi | geo-rge: Wrote it a bit badly |
| 01:18.24 | geo-rge | maybe |
| 01:18.32 | carbon60 | abrotman: No scheduled tasks. There are 4-5 applications running on it: zope, mysql, tomcat, apache. I need to figure out whose fault it is. |
| 01:18.32 | itchi | geo-rge: It's for linux on laptop and tuxmobile, like there's not yet one of this brand and model |
| 01:18.41 | carbon60 | Which really should be as simple as top. |
| 01:18.43 | Renfyeld | When I try to log into the system, gnome does not start up. Even failsafe gnome does not work. |
| 01:18.44 | carbon60 | But it isn't. |
| 01:18.53 | carbon60 | hehe. |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | carbon60: when it happens .... top -b -n1 > top.txt |
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| 01:20.05 | carbon60 | abrotman: Ok, thanks for the tip. Now, I just ran that and it says "Cpu(s): 11.5% us," but the top process is showing 0%. Is that normal? |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | it can be |
| 01:20.47 | itchi | geo-rge: I have already googled many the last 2 weeks about it, but find not yet somethings that should help me |
| 01:21.14 | geo-rge | itchi: then it looks like you're doing what you can |
| 01:21.30 | itchi | geo-rge: Yup, i'm not an expert, still learning |
| 01:21.48 | geo-rge | this is how you become an expert |
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| 01:22.08 | itchi | geo-rge: hehe |
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| 01:23.34 | itchi | geo-rge: And i have reinstall several time too, to see been when it's happend too, and to see if it's not me that do somethings wrong and so. But i'm a bit loosed like i not find the way to search too |
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| 01:26.01 | snowball | dpkg down? |
| 01:26.01 | dpkg | it has been said that down is negative up. |
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| 01:26.16 | snowball | ....hmmmm.... |
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| 01:26.26 | snowball | dpkg gnudip |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | bah .. i hate filing bugs! |
| 01:27.09 | geo-rge | itchi: all these aspects are growing as you gain experience |
| 01:27.18 | karsten | abrotman: Try fixing 'em some time. |
| 01:27.20 | geo-rge | I hate bug fillings! |
| 01:27.32 | abrotman | karsten: this is a bit beyond me i'm sure :) |
| 01:27.54 | snowball | dpkg doesnt know anything about gnudip *cries* |
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| 01:27.56 | karsten | ... and bugs file haters. |
| 01:28.07 | karsten | snowball: WTF is gnudip? STFW? |
| 01:28.46 | geo-rge | unless you add mayo, chocolate ice cream, onions and tomato sauce... |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | /nick feature |
| 01:29.03 | Supaplex | gundip, a type of chew |
| 01:29.08 | Piggy | in soviet russia, bugs report you |
| 01:29.12 | snowball | i cant find any real documentation on it on the web besides references to it by name, but no actuall documentation on setting it up at all |
| 01:29.27 | karsten | Piggy: In Korea, only old people report bugs. |
| 01:29.37 | snowball | http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#required |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | snowball: so why are you asking us about it ? |
| 01:29.57 | karsten | snowball: There's one clear solution. |
| 01:30.07 | karsten | snowball: File a bug, move to Russia, and adopt and old Korean. |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | why would the bot know about gnudip ? |
| 01:30.36 | karsten | Piggy: It's a flesh wound! |
| 01:30.41 | snowball | i was just trying another resource... |
| 01:30.41 | stew | !info gnudip |
| 01:30.45 | dpkg | gnudip: (scripts for dynamic IP to name mappings), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | not much help :) |
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| 01:32.35 | stew | snowball: did you check /usr/share/doc/gnudip ? |
| 01:32.38 | snowball | anyone have a suggestion on a similar solution? |
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| 01:32.43 | snowball | yep |
| 01:32.51 | geo-rge | it worky! |
| 01:32.52 | snowball | stew : i did... no help there |
| 01:32.58 | olskolirc | i have bash3 now. do i have to shabang my scripts with #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/bash3 or is #!/bin/sh good e |
| 01:33.04 | olskolirc | nough to cover anything |
| 01:33.29 | geo-rge | olskolirc: sh will mean that your shell scripts will be interpreted without bash extensions |
| 01:33.36 | H3g3m0n | olskolirc: /bin/sh is best unless your trying to use special bash stuff |
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| 01:33.51 | olskolirc | oh like special bash builtins? |
| 01:34.14 | geo-rge | inotherwords if /bin/sh is linked to bash or bash3, either will pretend to be sh |
| 01:34.28 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:34.36 | geo-rge | so, no $( ... ) |
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| 01:34.44 | karsten | olskolirc: If you want cross-platform compatibility, use /bin/sh. And maybe install something like ash which doesn't even have a lot of the bashisms, so things will break early. |
| 01:34.44 | geo-rge | hafta use ` ... ` |
| 01:34.46 | olskolirc | oh ok |
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| 01:34.59 | karsten | geo-rge: I *think* $( expr ) is bourne-compatible. |
| 01:35.00 | geo-rge | (for one minor example) |
| 01:35.16 | geo-rge | not a bashism? |
| 01:35.16 | olskolirc | ok i like `...` better anyway |
| 01:35.18 | dondelelcaro | you may as well use dash or posh |
| 01:35.21 | zinx | $(( expr )) ? |
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| 01:35.31 | karsten | geo-rge: Nope. |
| 01:35.33 | ph0 | bb all |
| 01:35.40 | karsten | olskolirc: $( ) is nestable. `` isn't. |
| 01:35.46 | dondelelcaro | the latter is suposedly posix compatible; generally if it works there, it'll work anyway. |
| 01:35.46 | geo-rge | olskolirc: reason I like $(...) is it's nestable |
| 01:35.54 | olskolirc | oh ok karsten |
| 01:36.16 | karsten | olskolirc: echo $( cat $( foo )); vs: echo `cat \` foo \` ` |
| 01:36.17 | miggs | hi!, anybody can tell me from which repository I can get the ATI drivers? (thanx!) |
| 01:36.25 | olskolirc | nestable meaning compatible with sh bash and bash3? |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 01:36.29 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 01:36.49 | karsten | olskolirc: nestable meaning you can recursively include '$( expr )' without special quoting. |
| 01:36.56 | karsten | !nestable |
| 01:37.12 | geo-rge | see: !nestable |
| 01:37.12 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:37.33 | geo-rge | rekoisive! |
| 01:37.37 | olskolirc | dpkg fell asleep |
| 01:37.49 | karsten | geo-rge: Can you explain recursive to me? |
| 01:38.01 | karsten | !recursive |
| 01:38.01 | dpkg | from memory, recursive is see recursive |
| 01:38.12 | Guerin | dpkg: you win |
| 01:38.19 | geo-rge | yes I can... but first, karsten: Can you explain recursive to me? |
| 01:38.29 | Guerin | geo-rge: you lose |
| 01:38.34 | karsten | geo-rge: After you. |
| 01:38.43 | Guerin | the answer is: to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion... |
| 01:38.59 | stew | karsten: if you want to know about recursion, /join #debian and ask them |
| 01:39.09 | geo-rge | forget about recursion for the moment... just concentrate on the recursion |
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| 01:41.06 | geo-rge | recursion is sortof a "wishful thinking" strategy in which you pretend your function works fine when you call it inside of itself... once you do finish the function definition, it should all work :) |
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| 01:42.45 | yonkeltr1n | on debian, how do i make packages installed for python2.4 available to python2.5? with pycentral? |
| 01:42.58 | geo-rge | (but by that definition, a pascal compiler could be defined as "make sure there is a . at the end, and in response to the . itself, do nothing and stop" |
| 01:43.01 | geo-rge | ) |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | yonkeltr1n: change the depends ? |
| 01:44.28 | stew | those depends are buried in debian/control now and they should support all python versions unless there is a reason not to |
| 01:44.43 | stew | (afaik, but i haven't figured it out entirely yet) |
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| 01:49.39 | Frederick | folks is http_proxy=www-cache.uni-kl.de:3128 right or am I missing the ""? |
| 01:49.50 | Frederick | as an enviroment variable |
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| 01:50.17 | olskolirc | which shabang belongs to this code $(...) |
| 01:50.43 | Guerin | olskolirc: #! /bin/*sh |
| 01:50.49 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:50.59 | geo-rge | I'm guessing the question is "in bash or sh, is http_proxy=www-cache.uni-kl.de:3128 in correct grammar? |
| 01:51.04 | geo-rge | " |
| 01:51.09 | Guerin | where * can be one or none of b,a,c,k,z |
| 01:51.22 | geo-rge | or ba |
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| 01:56.38 | yonkeltr1n | stew: the reason i ask is because some things will work with pycentral and other stuff wouldn't.....like rpy will and psyco will not |
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| 02:03.38 | eldowan | My grub seems to have borked. At stage 1.5 I have to change 2 lines in 3 places to start to boot. When I plug in what I think is the correct information, the system starts to boot, and fails at loading the / off LVM. |
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| 02:04.25 | H3g3m0n | Anyone know why torrents are slower under Debian than Gentoo? I'm using the same Azureus version/config files |
| 02:04.40 | eldowan | The installer sees the partitions and LVM LV and LG correctly and can mount and traverse the fs. When the system fails to boot, and I get to an initramfs shell, I see no /dev/sda which is my root OS. |
| 02:04.53 | Guerin | H3g3m0n: they're not. |
| 02:05.20 | karsten | eldowan: Is the sda driver loaded? |
| 02:05.31 | eldowan | H3g3m0n: Azureus is java based I believe. Check your java runtime configurations and version(s) |
| 02:05.37 | karsten | eldowan: You should be able to see a list of modules somewhere in the initrd. |
| 02:05.45 | geo-rge | geo-rge: can I explain recursion to me? |
| 02:05.56 | asg | !kick geo-rge |
| 02:06.09 | eldowan | geo-rge: /msg dpkg recusrion |
| 02:06.19 | eldowan | s/recusrion/recursion/ |
| 02:06.22 | geo-rge | thank me very much! |
| 02:06.22 | abrotman | it's not funny anymore |
| 02:06.25 | geo-rge | I'm welcome! |
| 02:06.35 | H3g3m0n | eldowan: That might be it, thanks |
| 02:06.39 | asg | abrotman: has someone told it to fuck off yet? |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | asg: i can do it if you'd like :) |
| 02:06.55 | asg | geo-rge: fuck off |
| 02:06.59 | asg | abrotman: I took care of it |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:07.09 | eldowan | karsten: It loads the base kernel from the sda device to load the initramfs image, and then stops loading. I'm at a complete loss. |
| 02:07.13 | geo-rge | likewise :P |
| 02:07.54 | geo-rge | asg: and one more thing... I am not an it |
| 02:08.18 | eldowan | Hmm. I wonder if it might be best tto boot to the installer, chroot into my system, and then re-run grub. What do y'all think? |
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| 02:08.58 | karsten | eldowan: That should be grub itself doing the heavy lifting. Kernel needs the SATA driver from somewhere... |
| 02:09.31 | magyar | hi guys, is there a mirror for cdimages.debian.org |
| 02:09.32 | magyar | ? |
| 02:09.46 | eldowan | karsten: That is what I was not wanting to hear. I'm guessing grub needs to be redone, but I don't want to reload my ssytem. Should I chroot from the installer and re-run grub do you think? |
| 02:09.57 | H3g3m0n | Looks like the same version of java i was using under Gentoo with Azureus |
| 02:10.00 | asg | magyar: not an official one, no. |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | magyar: why ? |
| 02:10.09 | geo-rge | magyar: look into jigdo, probably -no-, you -do not- need cd images at all if you have a good met connection |
| 02:10.22 | geo-rge | net |
| 02:10.34 | karsten | eldowan: Use $CD_RESCUE_DISK for grub reconf. I think it's your initrd m'self. |
| 02:10.54 | karsten | eldowan: If grub's launching your kernel and handing it an initrd, your problem isn't grub. Its work is done. |
| 02:11.03 | geo-rge | eldowan: I've done that before and it worked |
| 02:11.06 | magyar | abrotman: i need an 1-st installer for etch but the side is slow as a dog |
| 02:11.06 | asg | karsten: "...m'self" (hah) |
| 02:11.10 | karsten | !tell magyar about netinst |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | a what ? 1st stage ? |
| 02:11.21 | eldowan | karsten: Well, to even start to boot, I have to make 3 changes to the 1.5 stage |
| 02:11.23 | karsten | asg: yeah, yeah. |
| 02:11.39 | karsten | eldowan: Well, *that* is a config issue. Fix your menu.lst when you get the chance. |
| 02:11.43 | magyar | karsten: i will have no internet at the client, so i need the full 1-st cd |
| 02:11.46 | geo-rge | magyar: what is "the side"? |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | magyar: so use bittorrent |
| 02:12.07 | karsten | magyar: OK, that's a valid excuse. I'd recommend jigdo myself. |
| 02:12.12 | magyar | abrotman: i need it for tommorow morning not in a week |
| 02:12.13 | geo-rge | why will you not have internet at the client? |
| 02:12.21 | abrotman | magyar: bittorrent works pretty well here |
| 02:12.23 | eldowan | karsten: But I don't remember changing it. And it is WAY different than It used to be. Even the colors have changed since I last rebooted.... Oh well. |
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| 02:12.38 | karsten | eldowan: grub-sector virus? |
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| 02:12.49 | geo-rge | magyar: time and net conditions for your download would be a concern closer to you |
| 02:12.56 | karsten | eldowan: Something's messing with your grub then. |
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| 02:13.29 | eldowan | karsten: I'm probably going to chalk it up to an ID10T error on my part. So I'm off now to try and do the whole cd rescue disk... |
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| 02:13.53 | ringo999 | i just installed debian with apache2. where would i normally find the www root folder? |
| 02:13.55 | Lord_Wind | hi everyone |
| 02:14.02 | Lord_Wind | please help me |
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| 02:14.03 | Guerin | ringo999: /var/ |
| 02:14.13 | geo-rge | magyar: but having said that, why not start the download sooner rather than later |
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| 02:14.28 | Lord_Wind | how to enable apache2 to read php files |
| 02:14.31 | Lord_Wind | ??? |
| 02:14.36 | geo-rge | Lord_Wind: /msg dpkg ask ; /msg dpkg sicco |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 or -php5 |
| 02:14.44 | maher | Lord_Wind: look in /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
| 02:15.26 | eldowan | karsten: What is the $CD_RESCUE_DISK ? |
| 02:15.36 | geo-rge | what's the other fglrx factoid |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:15.45 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 02:15.46 | abrotman | !ati |
| 02:15.47 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 02:15.52 | karsten | eldowan: An install disk (chvt to console #2) should be sufficient. Or Knoppix, or LNX-BBC, or DSL. |
| 02:16.49 | eldowan | karsten: Ah, OK. And then I would generate a new menu.list and initrd image? |
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| 02:17.13 | maher | Lord_Wind: i was lying - docs are in /usr/share/doc//libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 02:17.31 | Lord_Wind | I'm using php5 |
| 02:17.48 | eegore | I have an XFS volume that had files deleted from it but still shows the space being used by the files that were there |
| 02:18.01 | olskolirc | debian is gangsta! |
| 02:18.03 | karsten | eldowan: Should just need to edit and fix up your current /boot/grub/menu.list and re-run 'grub-install' (or is it 'install-grub'?). |
| 02:18.19 | maher | eegore: kill the processes that still have the files open |
| 02:18.23 | karsten | eegore: Are the files still open by a process? |
| 02:18.24 | eldowan | karsten: That is just what I was wanting to hear. Thanks a bunch. |
| 02:18.29 | eegore | is there a way to free that space from file allocation? |
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| 02:18.40 | karsten | eegore: 'lsof | grep deleted' |
| 02:18.45 | karsten | eegore: ... I think. |
| 02:18.46 | De_Mon | dmesg says hdb: PHILIPS XBOX DVD DRIVE, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:18.51 | netcrash | hello , how can I determine witch package of debian has cyrus saslauthd ? |
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| 02:19.00 | asg | netcrash: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:19.02 | karsten | eegore: Yeah: relink the file and null it: cat /dev/null > file (or just >file>) |
| 02:19.13 | karsten | !tell netcrash about search |
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| 02:19.24 | De_Mon | but I cant actually mount the device, it says "No medium found" |
| 02:19.26 | karsten | eldowan: It's pretty straightforward. I do that sort o fthing all the time. |
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| 02:19.53 | eldowan | karsten: Why would you need to do this sort of thing all the time? |
| 02:20.06 | maher | De_Mon: is there a sik in the device? |
| 02:20.13 | maher | De_Mon: is there a disk in the device? |
| 02:20.18 | De_Mon | maher yep |
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| 02:20.31 | De_Mon | is there some sort of cdrom diagnostic tool I can use on the drive? |
| 02:20.32 | maher | De_Mon: what filesystem is on the disk? |
| 02:20.55 | De_Mon | sec |
| 02:21.30 | De_Mon | its a UDF DVD |
| 02:21.56 | De_Mon | Ive tried audio cds and xbox media (FATX), always get the same error |
| 02:21.58 | maher | De_Mon: try mounting it with -t udf |
| 02:21.59 | geo-rge | this was the thing I had before rebooting: http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:22.11 | geo-rge | seems a pretty good explanation of the steps |
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| 02:22.45 | maher | De_Mon: audio cds can't be mounted as they don't have a fs - aren't xnox cds protected in some weird way? |
| 02:23.02 | De_Mon | no |
| 02:23.16 | De_Mon | just FATX, which is compiled into the kernel |
| 02:23.25 | asg | geo-rge: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 02:23.41 | abrotman | geo-rge: that's before it was in debian |
| 02:23.42 | De_Mon | same error |
| 02:23.45 | maher | De_Mon: do you have any cds which are just ordinary data cds |
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| 02:24.11 | geo-rge | how do you mean? I'm on sarge... so that's also before, yes? |
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| 02:25.16 | De_Mon | Sure |
| 02:26.12 | maher | De_Mon: try one of those.... |
| 02:26.19 | De_Mon | just poped one in |
| 02:26.20 | ringo999 | also, i just installed postgresql (7.4). how do i restart the server? |
| 02:26.24 | maher | De_Mon: are you mounting as a user or as root |
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| 02:26.40 | ringo999 | i cant find the pgctl ... |
| 02:26.49 | maher | De_Mon: if as a user check youare in groups plugdev or cdrom or whatever |
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| 02:27.10 | De_Mon | same error no media found |
| 02:27.12 | maher | ringo999: /etc/init.d/postgresql restart |
| 02:27.17 | De_Mon | medium |
| 02:27.18 | geo-rge | ringo999: /etc/init.d/postgresql restart |
| 02:27.35 | ringo999 | nice, thx |
| 02:27.36 | De_Mon | invoke-rc.d postgresql restart |
| 02:27.38 | maher | De_Mon: ok - i dunno - sounds like your cdrom is unhappy |
| 02:27.49 | De_Mon | yeah, I need some sorta diagnostic tool |
| 02:28.12 | geo-rge | (that is, if you installed the debian packages... if not, #postgresql will be willing to offer information |
| 02:28.15 | geo-rge | ) |
| 02:28.34 | ringo999 | and where would I find "pgsql"? |
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| 02:28.39 | ivx | niles hello |
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| 02:28.53 | geo-rge | ringo999: where did you install it |
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| 02:29.11 | niles | ivx: sup |
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| 02:29.13 | abrotman | you mean psql ? |
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| 02:29.19 | ringo999 | geo-rge: i just installed it via apt-get, i guess it installes it in /var/lib/postgresql ... |
| 02:29.20 | maher | ringo999: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 02:29.20 | ivx | niles hit me up with a pm |
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| 02:29.33 | abrotman | ivx: spam you mean |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:29.41 | maher | ringo999: try su postgres (or whatever the postgres user is called) |
| 02:29.41 | ringo999 | abrotman: yeah, psql |
| 02:29.48 | De_Mon | its not pgsql.. moo |
| 02:29.54 | ringo999 | yeah, just wonder where psql is located... |
| 02:29.58 | ivx | abrotman, no i just wanted to say hello to him in private |
| 02:30.01 | abrotman | ringo999: just type it |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | ivx: oh |
| 02:30.08 | De_Mon | ringo999 'which psql' |
| 02:30.13 | ringo999 | thx |
| 02:30.17 | geo-rge | ringo999: so you installed the debian package... everything's in /usr/bin (or is linked from there) |
| 02:30.19 | ringo999 | really appreciate it |
| 02:30.26 | ringo999 | ok |
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| 02:30.44 | geo-rge | if you build yourself, then it's going to be in (--prefix)/bin |
| 02:31.43 | eldowan | karsten: Thanks for the help, I was able to bring my system back to life. :D:D |
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| 02:31.59 | ToxicSun | hello guys |
| 02:32.13 | ringo999 | one last thing, how do i initialise the postgres db in postgresql, where is initdb? |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 02:32.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 02:32.46 | geo-rge | abrotman: how do you mean? I'm on sarge... so that's also before the drivers were added or debianized or whatever, yes? take a look at section 3A of http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 02:32.48 | madman215 | is there a way to make the icons soom on mouse over in gnome? |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | geo-rge: i've read it |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | makes me glad i don't need ati or nvidia |
| 02:33.08 | maher | ringo999: all is revealed in /usr/sharedoc/postgresql |
| 02:33.13 | maher | ringo999: all is revealed in /usr/share/doc/postgresql |
| 02:33.13 | geo-rge | would have me too |
| 02:33.17 | De_Mon | ringo999 you would do well to read .. what maher just sayd |
| 02:33.19 | abrotman | madman215: maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:33.28 | ringo999 | because when I try to psql i get fatal error, postgres database does not exist |
| 02:33.35 | geo-rge | ringo999: the debian packaging does that |
| 02:33.41 | karsten | eldowan: Schweet. |
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| 02:33.51 | ringo999 | geo-rge: then why do i get the error message? |
| 02:33.52 | Wyzard | ringo999: Try "psql template1" |
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| 02:34.06 | abrotman | geo-rge: or check backports.org |
| 02:34.11 | maher | ringo999: becaue you need to create a db |
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| 02:34.16 | ringo999 | Wyzard: yep, template1 worked |
| 02:34.17 | ToxicSun | i had a power outage yesterday and when i came home my computer didnt want to let me log into X it had some error saying to try failsafe |
| 02:34.24 | LunarCrisis | what program can I use to view a .ttf font? |
| 02:34.41 | ToxicSun | im using a livecd now and id like to take the chance to upgrade to etch without borking my /home |
| 02:34.48 | ToxicSun | but i dont think its a seperate partition |
| 02:34.55 | eldowan | Wyzard: Again, thanks for the help on getting the nvidia drivers the debian way, and for help on installing compiz. |
| 02:35.10 | Wyzard | eldowan: np :-) |
| 02:35.16 | eldowan | !beer Wyzard |
| 02:35.20 | geo-rge | ringo999: so all's fine... now that you have postgres installed and ran acceptance test (psql template1 works), what else do you need to do to understand postgres and use it for your app? |
| 02:35.31 | maher | ToxicSun: run fsck on your partitions |
| 02:35.34 | De_Mon | I can do 'cat /dev/cdroms/cdrom0' on a working drive but if I try it here it gives me that "No Medium Found" crap |
| 02:35.41 | ToxicSun | maher, not familiar |
| 02:35.46 | maher | ToxicSun: you can just upgrade to etch from the box - it won't touch /home |
| 02:35.50 | ToxicSun | i know about FSCK IT |
| 02:35.59 | ringo999 | geo-rge: yeah, everyhing is fine. thank you all! |
| 02:36.07 | ToxicSun | maher, what do you mean by from the box |
| 02:36.15 | maher | ToxicSun: fsck /dev/hda1 or whatever to check for fs errors |
| 02:36.36 | geo-rge | ringo999: goodenough. |
| 02:36.39 | maher | ToxicSun: reboot to the main install - change sources.list - upgrade |
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| 02:37.35 | geo-rge | abrotman: so is that what I will have to do (being as I'm running sarge) to get a suitable driver? |
| 02:37.50 | abrotman | no .. you can do whatever you want |
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| 02:38.00 | geo-rge | that part I understand :P |
| 02:38.02 | chuckkh | kernel make error... |
| 02:38.10 | chuckkh | kernel/build-in.o |
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| 02:38.33 | chuckkh | 'undefined reference to 'print_irqtrace_events' |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | tell #kernel ? |
| 02:38.42 | chuckkh | oh |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | is it a debian kernel source package ? |
| 02:38.55 | geo-rge | the quesion I'm asking is: does section 3a apply to my situation? |
| 02:39.39 | eldowan | Using grub, I append vga=795 to the root line to enable a 1280x1024 text mode display. When I install a new kernel from the repo, it always re-creates the file, and removes my appended string. Is there a way to have whatever creates the menu.list file after a kernel install/uninstall to append a string to the root line? |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | eldowan: there's an option in the grub config to do that |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | like kernopts or something |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | kopt |
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| 02:42.23 | eldowan | abrotman: Ahhh. Wonderful. Now I just need to find that file to configure. |
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| 02:42.35 | chuckkh | abrotman: debian kernel mkpg, but kernel from kernel.org |
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| 02:42.47 | abrotman | probably ought to ask them |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | eldowan: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:43.07 | chuckkh | #kernel is silent |
| 02:43.33 | geo-rge | chuckkh: wait 10 hours and try again? |
| 02:44.47 | chuckkh | 10 hours is a lot I can get done in Windows, maybe I'll try that |
| 02:44.56 | eldowan | abrotman: I figured it wouldn't be in that file. Thanks. To test the kopt parameters, I would do a grub-install again correct? |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | you can run update-grub and grub-install |
| 02:45.39 | Wyzard | you don't need to run grub-install, only update-grub |
| 02:45.39 | abrotman | i think you have to run update-grub to have that option get appended |
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| 02:45.49 | abrotman | erm .. yeah .. |
| 02:45.51 | geo-rge | chuckkh: I don't see where your situation applies here... it would definitely if it was a stock debian-supplied binary kernel image package... |
| 02:47.13 | geo-rge | put another way, they refuse to support you at all if the thing you're asking about didn't come directly from debian |
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| 02:48.09 | chuckkh | fair enough, I probably would too |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | not always .. |
| 02:48.20 | chuckkh | but sometimes one gets lucky |
| 02:48.24 | geo-rge | true |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | but a kenrel version that isn't even in debian yet gets dicey |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | for all we know .. it requires a newer gcc etc |
| 02:48.37 | geo-rge | looks like I'm not very lucky today :P |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | i told you how |
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| 02:49.06 | Cybah | Hey, has anyone got quota working with 2.6(.17) and JFS? Just want to know if it *should* work, so I don't waste any more time |
| 02:49.29 | djones_ | how do i get my gtk version? |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | dpkg -l *gtk* ? |
| 02:49.40 | dpkg | ii *gtk* 1.8-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | or use the pkg-config magic |
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| 02:51.10 | magyar | torrenting really works well |
| 02:51.12 | magyar | not |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | whine more |
| 02:51.32 | magyar | will it torrent better than? |
| 02:52.10 | geo-rge | abrotman: sorry, I'm trying to remember what you said... I may have rebooted and lost it |
| 02:52.17 | geo-rge | could you repeat? |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | sure ... |
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| 02:53.24 | chuckkh | wow I took a wild guess, made a few changes, and so far it is compiling okay |
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| 02:53.55 | chuckkh | what can I say I guess I just have a knack |
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| 02:54.29 | geo-rge | chuckkh: it's not like things won't work... for the most part they will, which you can attribute to your guess and the quality of the debian toolchain |
| 02:54.50 | SkareCrow | what is mdsn? madison wisconsin? |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | MSDN |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | o .. yes |
| 02:55.17 | eyeris | When I run `apt-get update`, it hangs at "99% [9 Packages bzip2 0]". Anyone know why this is happening? (unstable) |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. do it again |
| 02:55.53 | geo-rge | 99% of a bottle of beer on the wall |
| 02:55.57 | eyeris | SkareCrow, Are you looking at my hostmask? Yes, mdsn == Madison |
| 02:56.07 | SkareCrow | yea, i see it alot |
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| 02:56.40 | abrotman | eyeris: bring me brats! |
| 02:56.40 | chuckkh | geo-rge: also, I think the open source model in general |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | keep the Point beer though :) |
| 02:56.51 | eyeris | mdsn.wi.charter.com serves the entire Madison area, ~400,000 ppl |
| 02:57.05 | chuckkh | that Linux by its nature draws ppl who like the kind of stuff that makes Linux work |
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| 02:57.44 | SkareCrow | charter is the only ISP there? |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | it's the major one .. my mom has cable through her local borough |
| 02:58.15 | SkareCrow | was going to say, that would suck |
| 02:58.19 | SkareCrow | cause charter suxz ballz |
| 02:58.21 | SkareCrow | i hate charter |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | gotta be better than comcast |
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| 02:58.41 | abrotman | why can't pkg-config do a --list ? |
| 02:58.43 | geo-rge | chuckkh: true, but now we're talking about a situation under which you necessarily learn things in order to get things done... and now that C is no longer taught in the majority of schools (the way it was in the 80s and 90s), there arn't many people left that know C well enough to (forexample) advance quickly towards kernel hacking... well, hacking that produces useful results |
| 02:58.51 | eyeris | SkareCrow, charter is the only Cable provider. There is DSL, but it sucks. |
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| 02:59.07 | SkareCrow | they are stupid as hell, talking to support and they are using a calculator or something to get perfect percentages for my internet speed and tell me that percentage is exactly what im suppose to get |
| 02:59.11 | geo-rge | most people who come here don't know the parts of a c compiler |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | geo-rge: get your driver working yet? |
| 02:59.30 | chuckkh | geo-rge: I don't know the parts of a c compiler, but how can C be obsolete? |
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| 03:00.15 | abrotman | chuckkh: it's not even close to obsolete |
| 03:00.15 | SkareCrow | we had 3mb down and were getting 3mb down just fine, but we upgraded to 5mb down and we still get 3mb down and they said that your suppose to be getting 3mb down avarage if you have a 5mb down |
| 03:00.22 | geo-rge | abrotman: no, but my perl-aol project is working pretty good... (requires knowledge of perl and aolserver internals) |
| 03:00.24 | SkareCrow | so we basically upgraded for nothing, maybe a couple kb more down |
| 03:00.28 | eyeris | geo-rge, don't you think that the type of ppl who are interested in hacking the kernel and capable of writing good kernel code are likely able and eager to teach themselves? |
| 03:00.48 | chuckkh | hacking is a self-feeding addiction |
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| 03:01.04 | geo-rge | eyeris: that is increasingly what will -have- to happen |
| 03:01.06 | chuckkh | the more you do it the less comfortable you are relating to people in the real world, lol |
| 03:01.18 | geo-rge | well that depends |
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| 03:01.46 | geo-rge | if you also work on your social skills there's no reason you can't hit a club and come out with a cutie |
| 03:02.13 | eyeris | geo-rge, How many people, worldwide, hack the kernel? If just 5% of the university teach systems programming in C, we will have plenty of kernel hackers. |
| 03:02.24 | dondelelcaro | #debian-offtopic is that way... |
| 03:02.25 | geo-rge | of course that will be an allnighter you won't be spending on coding... |
| 03:02.26 | chuckkh | true, my friend the animal-tester is worse off in that department |
| 03:02.37 | eldowan | Wyzard: abrotman: Thanks again for the help. Now my generated menu.list has the correct appended string. :D |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:03.11 | geo-rge | eyeris: what percentage is it in reality? |
| 03:03.38 | chuckkh | oh wow now I have two undefined references lol |
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| 03:03.39 | eldowan | That is what I said. I wouldn't guess that the text mode color is also set in that file, or would it abrotman? |
| 03:03.40 | mglnx | hi |
| 03:03.46 | eyeris | geo-rge, I don't have any sourced numbers, but from people I know, I'd say close to 30%. |
| 03:03.50 | eldowan | abrotman: I mean the color of grub stabe2 |
| 03:03.52 | abrotman | eldowan: it is .. but i don't know anything about it |
| 03:04.05 | chuckkh | I will open the source files and search for the functions |
| 03:04.07 | geo-rge | eyeris: that would surprise me. a LOT. |
| 03:04.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is there a way to get pkg-config to list items it can tell about ? |
| 03:04.25 | geo-rge | universities go where the MONEY is |
| 03:04.30 | eyeris | geo-rge, the kicker though is that the first CS class, which is a pre-req for all others is Java. The systems programming classes are all 300 level courses. |
| 03:04.30 | eldowan | abrotman: Wonderful. It changed from a nice green to the grey of DOS... I am going to find how to get my green back. |
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| 03:04.42 | abrotman | eldowan: the 'color' line |
| 03:05.03 | al- | what is the difference between linux-source and linux-kernel? |
| 03:05.03 | geo-rge | eyeris: you mean SICP isn't the first req? |
| 03:05.14 | eyeris | geo-rge, what big-money systems programming product is NOT coded in C? |
| 03:05.27 | abrotman | al-: you mean linux-source and linux-image ? |
| 03:05.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ls -l /usr/{share,lib}/pkgconfig |
| 03:05.47 | geo-rge | big-money systems programming? is that a contradiction? :) |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. i got that part :) |
| 03:06.02 | eldowan | abrotman: Once I get back into my system, I will have to do something in your honour for the spot on tips and help you provide. |
| 03:06.08 | eyeris | Windows = C/C++, QNX & Linux are both C. |
| 03:06.15 | mglnx | ok This is the issue. I have two DVD player, and one is a burner. I would like to know whether there is a GTK gui program to do that if not, just anyone. |
| 03:06.18 | eyeris | bbiab -- gotta take out the trash |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | eldowan: you're welcome :) |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | mglnx: to burn DVDs ? |
| 03:06.34 | al- | abrotman: actually, i think i meant kernal-source and linux-source |
| 03:06.46 | Guerin | !kernal |
| 03:06.46 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | al-: depends on the version of debian .. they got renamed |
| 03:06.51 | karsten | mglnx: k3b is what I'd recommend (not gtk but good). |
| 03:06.55 | al- | abrotman: ahh, that is what i figured |
| 03:06.56 | geo-rge | mglnx: to do what? |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | gnomebaker should work |
| 03:07.01 | mglnx | abrotman: yes to burn DVD and CD. |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | i don't have a DVD burner .. but gnomebaker works pretty well for CDs |
| 03:07.24 | karsten | mglnx: It's a QT / KDE app, but if you need GUI burner's it's that. |
| 03:08.01 | geo-rge | most of these programs are wrappers for cdrecord and maybe dvdrecord... you may wish to learn those :) |
| 03:08.25 | mglnx | geo-rge: to make copies from a DVD. So instead of having to copy into the hdd, just do it directly from the DVD player two the DVD burner |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | try gnomebaker |
| 03:09.07 | karsten | mglnx: Sure. Actually in reality there's both on-disk and on-memory buffering happening, FYI. |
| 03:09.20 | geo-rge | mglnx: if you have ide burners, that might not work properly, because the burn data stream cannot be interrupted otherwise you get an otherwise useless drink coaster |
| 03:09.49 | abrotman | most burners and software are capable of doing tha tnow |
| 03:09.51 | geo-rge | if you have scsi reader and burner it -might- work |
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| 03:10.01 | geo-rge | how do they go about that |
| 03:10.10 | mglnx | abrotman: I think that should be possible right? An analogy would be transfer files from a floppy to a flash drive like this cp /mnt/flash/* /mnt/floppy |
| 03:10.22 | karsten | geo-rge: burnfree should deal with that pretty well. |
| 03:10.35 | abrotman | mglnx: it should work .. all you can do is try it :) |
| 03:10.47 | mglnx | geo-rge: ther ARE ide, am I screwed up? |
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| 03:11.29 | geo-rge | the problem is that ide accesses block all processes |
| 03:11.34 | abrotman | it's not an issue |
| 03:11.54 | karsten | mglnx: The issue with IDE is that it doesn't handle simultaneous read/write requests well. Which is what CD/DVD burning (disk to disk) requires. |
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| 03:12.02 | mglnx | geo-rge: they are on the same ide, DVD burner is master, DVD player is slave |
| 03:12.12 | karsten | mglnx: ... and CD burning is critically dependent on keeping data streaming. |
| 03:12.18 | geo-rge | that might be worse |
| 03:12.19 | mglnx | damn |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | just freaking try it |
| 03:12.35 | geo-rge | yes, try and see |
| 03:12.47 | abrotman | it's jsut a 24$ disc |
| 03:12.48 | karsten | mglnx: So effectively you've got to buffer the data. Which a good app (and drive) will handle for you. It's a $0.10 disk you lose if it doesn't work, just try. |
| 03:12.59 | karsten | abrotman: You're paying too much. Or is that DVD? |
| 03:13.08 | abrotman | DVDRW ? |
| 03:13.20 | abrotman | i don't have a DVDR/RW .. so i have no idea how much they cost |
| 03:13.21 | mglnx | abrotman: I am about, just one more thing, the BIOS puts them at Ultra DMA 2, will hdparm overwrite the BIOS values? |
| 03:13.21 | karsten | abrotman: I'm thinking CDRW m'self. |
| 03:13.24 | geo-rge | where can I get those at that price? |
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| 03:13.38 | karsten | abrotman: I think DVD wa < $0.50 last I checked. |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. i meant DVDRW |
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| 03:13.58 | abrotman | mglnx: probably .. you can use hdparm to see |
| 03:14.05 | mglnx | geo-rge: don't get DVD anymore because BLU-RAY just came out |
| 03:14.09 | karsten | abrotman: Google says $0.13 - $0.25 |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | for DVDRW ? |
| 03:14.27 | karsten | mglnx: and we all know jsut how good *that* will be.... |
| 03:15.08 | karsten | abrotman: DVDRW ~ $0.60 - $1.06 |
| 03:15.16 | karsten | abrotman: http://www.meritline.com/dvd-rw-blank-media.html |
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| 03:15.45 | abrotman | $1 or less . not bad |
| 03:15.59 | geo-rge | mglnx: so we need yet another drive? I dunno about you, but I don't really like supporting the spiraling new hardware types |
| 03:16.17 | eldowan | I didn't start to buy DVD-R(W) until this year. Why jump up for a high priced drive and medium, with a low installed userbase? |
| 03:16.39 | eldowan | I mean to abandon cd/dvd for blue-ray/hd-dvd |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | blu-ray is a pretty large jump |
| 03:16.42 | mglnx | You know what, there is an incredibly flaw in the computer industry. Instead of making a bunch of waste with discs, everything sould be flashdrive style. Less error prone and more easy to handle. |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | DVDRW is one thing .. but blu-ray is 25GB in its first iteration |
| 03:17.43 | eldowan | mglnx: So you want to buy a pack of 100 4.4GB flash discs for as cheap as DVDs?? |
| 03:17.50 | olskolirc | i live my flash drive :-) |
| 03:18.11 | mglnx | eldowan: I agree with you all disc is a flawed development of storage technology. There is a singer in England who will release his last album on flashdrive... |
| 03:18.17 | geo-rge | I'm live and I drive! |
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| 03:19.30 | eldowan | mglnx: So this english artist will not want to reach the teeming millions of CD users? |
| 03:19.33 | mglnx | eldowan: that's the problem the dumped million$$ on that flawed tech. If they had dumped those $$ on flash type tech by now we would be perhaps a decade ahead in tech |
| 03:19.38 | odla | where are the udev rules in debian? |
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| 03:19.47 | odla | /etc/udev/rules.d/? |
| 03:19.54 | eldowan | mglnx: Why do you say disc is a flawed technology? |
| 03:20.10 | geo-rge | rule 1: if you can't see the udev rules, see rule 1 |
| 03:20.21 | mglnx | eldowan: lol million of CD users? ALL new music players are been made flash or hdd. |
| 03:20.42 | geo-rge | eldowan: the next incarnation should be a square disk? |
| 03:21.13 | eldowan | mglnx: You are talking of personal music players. I'm talking about hi-fi equipment, home stereo, automotive, etc.... |
| 03:21.36 | eldowan | mglnx: So you don't think there are millions of cd users in the world? I dont understand. |
| 03:21.40 | karsten | eldowan: Y'know *all* great technological innovation has been driven by english artists. |
| 03:21.50 | karsten | eldowan: YHBT, YHL, HAND. |
| 03:21.56 | mglnx | eldowan: because it a complex machine too much error-prone. Check this out, look how we have to mount the damn CD's -o loop -t iso9660 |
| 03:22.22 | eldowan | mglnx: umm. I mount a cd by mount /dev/hda /media/cdrom |
| 03:22.37 | eldowan | mglnx: You are talking of a .iso |
| 03:22.59 | eldowan | karsten: supplied automagically by mounting it :D |
| 03:23.01 | karsten | !thursday |
| 03:23.01 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 03:23.03 | mglnx | to this day I haven't managed to mount a f@%$ CD on linux while useing Flahs is so easy and straigh forward. Now I've got an iso image that I can't even open it. |
| 03:23.25 | eldowan | mglnx: an ISO image is *NOT* a CD |
| 03:24.04 | eldowan | mglnx: Place a cd in the CDROM and (on my system) mount /media/cdrom will do the trick. |
| 03:24.27 | mglnx | eldowan: but IS for using on CD, you see, another extra unnecessary way to handle files, while with flash drive is just cd here to here |
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| 03:24.39 | eldowan | mglnx: I still don't see why CDs are a flawed technology. Please enlighten me. |
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| 03:25.27 | karsten | eldowan: Don't feed the troll / idiot |
| 03:25.27 | madman215 | wha do i do with .bin files? |
| 03:25.30 | eldowan | mglnx: iso's *can* be used for cd's. I have many iso's I never burn to CD. |
| 03:25.54 | karsten | madman215: In what context? |
| 03:25.56 | eldowan | madman215: I guess that would depend on what you are using it. |
| 03:26.06 | karsten | madman215: What's "file *.bin" say about that particular file? |
| 03:26.14 | madman215 | its suposed to be a game |
| 03:26.26 | eldowan | karsten: I always seem to forget about the 'file' command. Thanks for reminding me. |
| 03:26.39 | eldowan | madman215: try making it executable, and running ti? |
| 03:26.43 | eldowan | s/ti/it/ |
| 03:27.03 | karsten | madman215: Game or virus? |
| 03:27.14 | karsten | madman215: We ponder, you make the choice. |
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| 03:27.35 | eldowan | Now That is the $64000 question |
| 03:28.01 | mick_home | clamscan it first :-P |
| 03:28.11 | karsten | mick_home: Point. |
| 03:28.15 | mglnx | eldowan: from my experince I've always encoutered troubles in burnig CD's on Windos and on MACs. The whole design is so unnecessarily complex. It is an laser armd that relies on the spinner which has wear, then the laser has to point precisely on to the DVD, (recall that they realy on error correcting algorithms |
| 03:28.30 | karsten | mick_home: Still doesn't help if it's got 'rm -rf /' encoded in it... |
| 03:28.40 | gravity | Macs. Not MACS. |
| 03:28.55 | mick_home | karsten: strings should find that - and that needs to be done as root ;) |
| 03:29.27 | karsten | mglnx: Removeable media's a pita any number of ways. Tape sucks. Zip sucked. Floppies sucked. Jaz sucked and spewed. Magneto-optical rocked, but the price sucked. |
| 03:29.29 | mick_home | burning CDs on OSX is trivial as long as you don't want multisession *g* |
| 03:29.37 | karsten | mglnx: CD, on balance, isn't too bad. |
| 03:29.42 | mglnx | eldowan: then CD are expose to the scratch dirt everything. |
| 03:29.48 | karsten | mick_home: True, but if it's an installer, it will be. |
| 03:29.50 | eldowan | mglnx: By that example, any storage medium that relies on rotation is flawed. How have HDD's operated for 50+ years with little/no trouble?? I'm sorry you have trouble using a decent cd burner, but still... |
| 03:30.22 | CHodapp | I have 10-year-old CDs that I used as a frisbee that still read just fine. |
| 03:30.29 | karsten | adlpaf: Turn that off |
| 03:30.29 | gravity | !tell adlpaf about away |
| 03:30.37 | parsonsd | this is weird: apt-get won't update because it says that there's no public key available for some particular ID. then it tells me to run apt-get update (which is what I was doing in the first place). how do i clear the ID it wants to find a key for? |
| 03:30.41 | mick_home | i don't install stuff that i don't trust anyway... besides what was that one flag that does a "fake install" to see what an installer actually does (i forget |
| 03:30.46 | karsten | !apt key |
| 03:30.59 | eldowan | !no public key |
| 03:30.59 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 03:31.05 | karsten | mick_home: 'make -n install' usually. Or install in a chroot. |
| 03:31.16 | eldowan | !etch key |
| 03:31.16 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:31.18 | mick_home | it was -n ;) |
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| 03:32.12 | karsten | GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 03:32.13 | eldowan | If debian recommends using aptitude over apt-get, shouldn't the factoid etch key support this decision? |
| 03:32.15 | parsonsd | ah -- many thanks. funky that the manpage doesn't even list errors. :( |
| 03:32.33 | karsten | I just recv'd and added the key to apt-key as well. |
| 03:32.36 | mglnx | that whole thing process of DVD, CD, Blu-ray is just flawed. Flash type is a straight forward that relies on electrons flowing point to point with out thousand intermediate programs to handle files. Then it's sealed from the environment with reports saying that it went throu a laundry. I hope this fullfils your request of enlightenment |
| 03:32.46 | karsten | eldowan: dpkg is consistently inconsistent. |
| 03:33.08 | errr | does anyone know of an admin refrence for redhat admins that are moving to debian system, something like a "On redhat you use.. and debian its done with ..." |
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| 03:33.25 | karsten | mglnx: Flash supportes a limited number of read-write cycles, which many current fileystem designs 9journaling, etc.) can exceed in a very finite period. |
| 03:33.38 | eldowan | karsten: I think that is because users who input are consistently inconsistent though. You can't blame a good bot for that. It's just doing what it is told |
| 03:33.39 | abrotman | flash is a limited media |
| 03:34.00 | karsten | mglnx: Flash is a *very* nice portable data transfer format. But so are things like portable music recorders (basically portable 4 - 80 GB disk drives). |
| 03:34.15 | eldowan | karsten: abrotman: so is a dvd/cd RW. |
| 03:34.28 | karsten | eldowan: CDs are too damned big. |
| 03:34.40 | eldowan | no to play devil's advocate, but it is true... |
| 03:34.49 | karsten | eldowan: I'd hate to have to smuggle a CD into a totalitarian state. USB I think I could handle. |
| 03:35.08 | CHodapp | CDs have also been around for a little bit longer than affordable flash memory, and I have a feeling they are far easier to mass-produce. |
| 03:35.15 | eldowan | karsten: True, I don't have any places in which I would smuggle a CD with... |
| 03:35.31 | Guerin | karsten: businesscard? |
| 03:35.47 | karsten | Guerin: Dude, you're more of a man than I am. |
| 03:35.49 | eldowan | CHodapp: I belive so, a small substrate in between a sealant and plastic/glass. |
| 03:35.54 | mglnx | and i mean flash-type meaning the new technologies forking from flash that are vastly more supperior. If they had concetrated on this technology from the beginning we would be on a very advance period, not DISC ass backward. Bottom line Blue-Ray ain't no brakethrough |
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| 03:36.00 | Guerin | *schlurp* |
| 03:36.18 | CHodapp | what's 50 GB of flash cost to make? |
| 03:36.25 | Guerin | lots |
| 03:36.30 | eldowan | CHodapp: That is not his point. |
| 03:36.39 | karsten | Price definitely favors CD/DVD. |
| 03:36.52 | mglnx | eldowan: and CD, DVD, BlueRAy can't be compared to HDD because the latter is ancased and the discs are metal. |
| 03:37.07 | eldowan | CHodapp: He is arguing that if the $$ was allocated to flash instead of optical in the first place, flash would be vastly cheaper and much more resilient to many writes than today. |
| 03:37.09 | PumpkinPie | what are those words you call that you can spell backwards and it would be the same |
| 03:37.16 | CHodapp | palindromes |
| 03:37.27 | CHodapp | by the way... discs can generally go through the wash just fine. |
| 03:37.30 | eldowan | mglnx: So you have no problem with dvd-RAM drives that use a case?? |
| 03:37.41 | mglnx | CHodapp: that's what I mean, companies are stupid developing BlueRAy and HD DVD, they should've invested that on flash and now would ultra cheap to mass produce |
| 03:37.42 | CHodapp | eldowan, they definitely did that with CDs, dunno about DVD |
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| 03:38.04 | eldowan | CHodapp: did what with cd's? |
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| 03:38.33 | CHodapp | eldowan, put them in caddies, with special drives that could open the caddy and read them |
| 03:38.41 | CHodapp | rarely saw them but they did exist |
| 03:38.57 | eldowan | CHodapp: They do that with dvd-ram also. |
| 03:39.02 | mglnx | CHodapp: flash-style is the future |
| 03:39.03 | CHodapp | Ah, I've never seen it |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | CHodapp: it's the dryer that kills them :) |
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| 03:39.32 | CHodapp | abrotman, yeah, dryer can melt plastic casing which tends to be bad for any media having plastic |
| 03:39.34 | karsten | mglnx: Play us a symphony! |
| 03:39.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:39.47 | eldowan | karsten: WOW.... nice! |
| 03:39.52 | abrotman | symphony of destruction! |
| 03:39.57 | karsten | eldowan: ?? |
| 03:40.04 | mglnx | ok so NOONE agrees with me, then? :-( |
| 03:40.19 | CHodapp | mglnx, I think there is a pretty big market for cheap read-only optical media, and I think there is a lot of research being thrown at flash memory because of how much it's already used. |
| 03:40.21 | eldowan | mglnx: Not totally, I've been playing you to see your views... |
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| 03:40.35 | eldowan | karsten: on note flute, play a symphony. |
| 03:40.48 | parsonsd | okay -- so now it tells me that the debian-keyring is current & already installed. its having some trouble finding (and i checked, the file isnt there, but there is a .FAILED and .Diffs file) in /var/lib/apt/lists.... |
| 03:40.52 | karsten | eldowan: He's _good_ at it... |
| 03:40.52 | parsonsd | what now? |
| 03:41.03 | GaiaX11 | Is there a chance to get ndiswrapper in debian cd install 1? |
| 03:41.20 | eldowan | parsonsd: What is the key it is having troubles with? |
| 03:41.28 | GaiaX11 | In the next release? Edgy? |
| 03:41.36 | parsonsd | eldowan: err... 1 sec |
| 03:41.47 | gravity | wtf |
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| 03:42.02 | dondelelcaro | GaiaX11: uh... the next release is etch; and things are loaded into the cds in order of popularity. |
| 03:42.19 | eldowan | mglnx: I think flash is a very attractive tech. But just because something comes along that improves upon a current design does not make the first design flawed. |
| 03:42.45 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:42.45 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 03:42.56 | parsonsd | eldowan: a70daf536070d3a1 |
| 03:42.56 | eldowan | mglnx: For the time it is/was a wonderful technology, bringing (relatively) cheap portable storage to the masses. |
| 03:43.04 | eldowan | parsonsd: Just a sec. |
| 03:43.20 | parsonsd | how does one *know* these things? |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | in the topic ? |
| 03:43.47 | eldowan | how does one search for a factoid? |
| 03:43.52 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: /msg dpkg help |
| 03:43.54 | abrotman | eldowan: it's in the topic |
| 03:43.56 | mglnx | eldowan: but admit that that decision was flawed by puring money on lasers arrows |
| 03:43.59 | abrotman | parsonsd: /topic |
| 03:44.13 | abrotman | erm .. nm |
| 03:44.48 | eldowan | hmm. help didn't give me what I was looking for. I thought you could search based on a regex for a factoid. |
| 03:44.58 | CHodapp | mglnx, what decision was flawed? |
| 03:45.14 | parsonsd | abrotman: thing whizzed by...time to learn how to make irssi do what I want... *sigh* |
| 03:45.17 | abrotman | eldowan: what are you looking for ? |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070d3a1 |
| 03:45.39 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070d3a1 ; gpg --export 6070d3a1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:45.54 | eldowan | abrotman: I was looking for that factoid you just found |
| 03:46.00 | mglnx | CHodapp: to make the damns blue-rays and HDDVD instead of developing flash-type devices |
| 03:46.11 | eldowan | I recognized the end of the key parsonsd posted. |
| 03:46.13 | abrotman | eldowan: /topic :) |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | !no public key |
| 03:46.20 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 03:46.52 | eldowan | abrotman: no public key doesn't mention apt-key 6070d3a1 |
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| 03:47.06 | eldowan | neither does etch key |
| 03:47.15 | abrotman | !etch key |
| 03:47.15 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:47.32 | eldowan | abrotman: parsonsd already did that. |
| 03:48.03 | eldowan | is there no way to search for a factoid based upon a regex? |
| 03:48.18 | eldowan | I must be blind because /msg dkpg help doesn't show me any useful info |
| 03:48.20 | CHodapp | mglnx, there is an entire base of software and media on CD and DVD that they are maintaining compatibility with, for one thing, and those players seem more meant to handle things more permanent than flash. |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | yes .. what are you looking for! |
| 03:48.25 | parsonsd | abrotman - apt whined about missing a file in /var/lib/apt/lists/.. |
| 03:48.34 | abrotman | show us the actual error |
| 03:48.40 | grendal_prime | is there like a 2 gig limit on file transfers via ssh? |
| 03:48.49 | parsonsd | ok. 1 sec |
| 03:49.29 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I believe I transfered a 4.4GB dvd iso over scp... |
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| 03:50.10 | grendal_prime | ya this is weird its a 3 gig, windows img file for qemu.. |
| 03:50.21 | grendal_prime | it stalls at 2 gigs |
| 03:50.29 | CHodapp | mglnx, also, the movie/music companies don't necessarily want people to have copies of things. That's why they're throwing a lot of money at online media and internal storage that is hard to access directly... and all the encryption on the new disc formats. |
| 03:50.30 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I'm testing right now. I'll see if mne stalls at 2G |
| 03:50.49 | eldowan | s/mne/mine/ |
| 03:50.56 | grendal_prime | your using scp? |
| 03:51.02 | eldowan | grendal_prime: Yes. |
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| 03:51.15 | eldowan | parsonsd: How did it go? |
| 03:51.19 | grendal_prime | i used the fronside tool in kde, fish protocol, (im assuming its a fronside for scp? |
| 03:51.28 | mglnx | CHodapp: yeah, f@#%@#5 companies are retarding the development of technology |
| 03:51.39 | eldowan | grendal_prime: don'g use fish, use sftp in konqueror. |
| 03:51.50 | parsonsd | Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:52.00 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:52.24 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I've had *MUCH* *MUCH* better throughput using cli though. |
| 03:52.24 | parsonsd | 22:58 < eldowan> parsonsd: How did it go? |
| 03:52.30 | eldowan | grendal_prime: If you are using KDE and konqueror, use sftp://user@url |
| 03:52.51 | CHodapp | mglnx, MPAA and RIAA have much influence here and they have their own money as their first priority. |
| 03:52.52 | grendal_prime | i use fish for all kinds of applications . its nice...o |
| 03:52.52 | eldowan | parsonsd: I usually get that error upon adding a new entry in my sources.list file. |
| 03:52.56 | parsonsd | eldowan: oops.. had to start x to get a useful copy&paste. no mouse in text modde... |
| 03:53.04 | grendal_prime | do i need an sftp server running on the other box though? |
| 03:53.19 | eldowan | grendal_prime: sftp is actually ssh. |
| 03:53.25 | grendal_prime | cool |
| 03:53.26 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 03:53.31 | grendal_prime | ill try it |
| 03:53.33 | madman215 | where do i getlibXdmcp |
| 03:53.34 | parsonsd | eldowan :wacked . i've had several updates since i modified the sources.list |
| 03:53.50 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I just transfered the entire vista dvd image with no problems |
| 03:53.56 | eldowan | cli scp |
| 03:54.06 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 03:54.10 | eldowan | grendal_prime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol |
| 03:54.12 | parsonsd | scp is very nice! |
| 03:54.24 | eldowan | Ssh File Transfer Protocol |
| 03:54.28 | eldowan | sftp:D |
| 03:54.49 | GaiaX11 | I know that this is a silly question. But, when will be etch stable released? Someone will probably say: When it is ready! But, I'd like to know a probably fixed date :-) |
| 03:54.57 | grendal_prime | ok well im going to try the sftp, ya i use scp to transfer things from the servers...but...its nice to be able to work with an x application and just..you know...put the protocol right int he address bar and whammo |
| 03:55.00 | geo-rge | which is pretty much the same as scp, the difference being the interface you see |
| 03:55.07 | eldowan | parsonsd: Usually that error goes away for me after on or two aptitude update |
| 03:55.10 | parsonsd | eldowan : whta do you usually do after seeing the error? |
| 03:55.13 | parsonsd | oh |
| 03:55.38 | eldowan | grendal_prime: sftp will give a view as if it were a loca fs, complete with previews if you enable them in KDE |
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| 03:55.58 | parsonsd | eldowan : /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 03:56.01 | parsonsd | oh |
| 03:56.04 | parsonsd | crap |
| 03:56.35 | parsonsd | eldowan : i'm having all kinds of fun today. pardon me! |
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| 03:56.40 | abrotman | apt-get update ? |
| 03:57.06 | eldowan | parsonsd: Don't worry about it. I usually live in those days. |
| 03:58.19 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I just found this regarding fish vs sftp. It matches my experience, even it it is on an ubuntu list... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-April/005121.html |
| 03:59.19 | lastnode | what WE ships on debian-cd1 |
| 03:59.27 | eldowan | WE? |
| 03:59.35 | eldowan | we, us, them? |
| 03:59.44 | geo-rge | alottafolks? |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:59.58 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 04:01.43 | lastnode | as Gnome or KDE |
| 04:01.54 | eldowan | hmm. Is there a way to query all of dpkg's factoids for a comprehensive list? |
| 04:01.59 | lastnode | i just want the base install, and i dont ahve the bw for the dvd |
| 04:02.08 | lastnode | first cd is enough for base right? (i can apt-get my choice of WE later) |
| 04:02.31 | eldowan | lastnode: I would recommend netinst if you have a better than dialup connection. |
| 04:02.51 | eldowan | lastnode: But I believe that Gnome is there, and KDE may well be present too. |
| 04:02.56 | lastnode | eldowan, i cant because i have net access via bcm4318, which needs to be installed (firmware) |
| 04:02.58 | lastnode | so i need to install the cd first |
| 04:03.05 | lastnode | on 625meg? |
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| 04:03.13 | lastnode | :-) what kinda compression is that, wow. |
| 04:03.20 | eldowan | lastnode: That is a minipci wireless broadcomm card, yes? |
| 04:03.25 | abrotman | tg3 needs firmware ? |
| 04:03.27 | madman215 | how can i search libs to see if i have a certian one? |
| 04:03.29 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 04:03.47 | eldowan | madman215: You might try the find command |
| 04:03.55 | parsonsd | since i have the etch keys, dpkg says i can ignore the issue and go ahead.... but what if i was being a stickler and tried to check the validity of the signatures? where do i start? |
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| 04:04.10 | lastnode | bcm4318 needs firmware via bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:04.17 | lastnode | as in the few needs to be installed via that package |
| 04:04.24 | eldowan | parsonsd: email a dev, and check the signature on the reply.? |
| 04:04.30 | madman215 | but where are they kept? |
| 04:04.42 | eldowan | madman215: no idea. |
| 04:04.50 | eldowan | lastnode: Is that a wireless card? |
| 04:04.56 | lastnode | eldowan, yes |
| 04:05.05 | b0on | anyone here know anything about solaris? |
| 04:05.13 | b0on | cause all i get in teh solaris channel is them bitching about linux |
| 04:05.25 | eldowan | lastnode: If you happen to get it working, could you give me a hand? I have that same card, and can't get it to work after many hours.... |
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| 04:05.47 | eldowan | lastnode: unfortunately, I have to go now, or I would try again tonight. |
| 04:05.57 | eldowan | That being said, goodnight all. |
| 04:06.08 | lastnode | eldowan, oh it's very easy |
| 04:06.08 | lastnode | eldowan, email me? |
| 04:06.09 | lastnode | eldowan, mahangu@gmail.com |
| 04:06.18 | parsonsd | eldowan : later, thanks |
| 04:06.23 | eldowan | lastnode: you got it. Mine is my handle @gmail.com |
| 04:06.27 | lastnode | laters im out too |
| 04:06.44 | DeliriousGuy | Howdy, I'm looking for help with the problem of all my e-mails showing up with no headers. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 04:06.52 | RichiH | uh, the program that tells you bandwidth usage per prcees/program is? |
| 04:07.35 | eldowan | karsten: It was a pleasure, and next time I see you I will try to see your penny and raise you a nickel. |
| 04:07.51 | eldowan | mglnx: Thanks for quite an intersting conversation. |
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| 04:08.33 | abrotman | RichiH: ntop |
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| 04:10.42 | DeliriousGuy | Actually, the e-mails do have headers, but somewhere along the way a newline is being put in front of them so that the headers are not parsed. I'm bored of reading raw headers to check my mail. |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | sounds liek there's an extra one |
| 04:11.19 | abrotman | probably ask the channel for your smtp server |
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| 04:13.13 | eldowan | !moo |
| 04:13.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:13.49 | parsonsd | the problem I'm seeing with the funky public key and nonexistant file might be traced back to : Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex MD5Sum mismatch -- makes sence, right? |
| 04:14.03 | Guerin | sense! |
| 04:14.14 | parsonsd | this is lack of good signature? |
| 04:14.22 | parsonsd | Guerin : cents! |
| 04:14.31 | parsonsd | Guerin : touche. |
| 04:15.13 | parsonsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.31 | Phated | md5sum, pubkey - very different. |
| 04:16.07 | madman215 | what i do with a .deb? i know its a very stupid question but im new |
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| 04:16.56 | Phated | madman215: Depends on what you want to do with it - install, delete, etc? |
| 04:17.09 | madman215 | install |
| 04:17.43 | Phated | dpkg -i, then. But surely using apt to install the package you needed in the first place would be better? |
| 04:21.23 | parsonsd | eldowan : ok, i'm upset now. i know i tried the etch key install and it told me i was up to date. now i try it again and it works and installs updates. thanks again for the help |
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| 04:23.19 | DeliriousGuy | exit |
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| 04:35.35 | kmu | Is the amount of memory in my video card detected at boot? |
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| 04:35.56 | bbelt16ag | hi |
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| 04:36.26 | bbelt16ag | what is the package name the nvidia drivers(from nvidia.com) for the source of the kernel? ?? |
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| 04:38.19 | bbelt16ag | i am running 2.6.17-2 |
| 04:38.24 | cat | !tell bbelt16ag about nvidia |
| 04:38.28 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 04:38.33 | bbelt16ag | dont send me to mesa again pls |
| 04:38.47 | cat | read what dpkg post ya |
| 04:38.56 | bbelt16ag | nooo |
| 04:39.02 | bbelt16ag | i wont use the free stuff |
| 04:39.04 | bbelt16ag | no no no |
| 04:39.19 | bbelt16ag | i like nvidia.com's drivers they acutally work easier.. |
| 04:39.32 | bbelt16ag | what is the package for the kernelsource? |
| 04:40.39 | bbelt16ag | i think i figured it out |
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| 04:44.52 | lealgo | hi |
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| 04:46.50 | Xenguy | evening :-) |
| 04:46.51 | Ilovemypuppy | how do I make my samba server prompt for a username and password? |
| 04:47.25 | Ilovemypuppy | I just installed it, I went through the setup and I can access everything just fone fromt eh windows box but I want it to be password protected |
| 04:47.42 | Ilovemypuppy | this is on deb stable, fresh install |
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| 04:50.53 | laidback_01 | hi, this might be a stupid question but i'm rather new to RAID5... so, here goes. I have 3 300G drives in a raid5 array for around 600G. I've been copying my dvds to it, and now.. yeah, it's full. Can I just add another 300G drive to the array and have it expand? If so, can i add as many drives as I have interfaces for? this is software raid of course handled by linux kernel. |
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| 04:55.56 | quik_ | heh |
| 04:56.00 | quik_ | hey folks |
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| 04:57.02 | dondelelcaro | laidback_01: yes, you can... you'll have to grow the array, and then resize the filesystem appropriatelyy. |
| 04:57.49 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : out of curiosity, are there manpages out there for that? |
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| 04:58.03 | parsonsd | that function, i mean |
| 04:58.20 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : or just google hehe |
| 04:58.21 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: man mdadm; and resizefs |
| 04:59.18 | parsonsd | hm -- no wonder apropos doesn't pick it up. i must not have it installed |
| 04:59.24 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro, thanks tho |
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| 05:00.53 | ixrp | Is there any xfs partition data recovery tool? |
| 05:01.17 | Pryon | atomic force microscope |
| 05:02.33 | ixrp | pryon; ok thanks; tomorrow i will buy one. |
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| 05:06.01 | dondelelcaro | AFM won't help |
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| 05:06.54 | Ilovemypuppy | stable doesn't seem any slower than testing |
| 05:06.58 | Pryon | why would it? |
| 05:07.01 | Ilovemypuppy | it wasnt the case back in the days of woody |
| 05:07.06 | Pryon | ah |
| 05:07.20 | Ilovemypuppy | thats what I was expecting, and the stable build is rather peppy |
| 05:07.30 | dondelelcaro | that really is a function of which kernel you're running and your hardware. |
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| 05:07.51 | Ilovemypuppy | 686 kernel on mine 2.6.8 |
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| 05:08.14 | dondelelcaro | in woody? |
| 05:08.18 | reZo | Hello, |
| 05:08.20 | reZo | I'm looking to download Debian, but I noticed there are 7 iso's. Do you need all 7? |
| 05:08.25 | _rain | msg dpkg kerner one-liner |
| 05:08.27 | reZo | in the current version |
| 05:08.27 | dondelelcaro | reZo: no, you don't even need the first one. |
| 05:08.31 | Ilovemypuppy | no on sarge I think |
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| 05:08.46 | reZo | dondelelcaro, then which would you need from, http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/current/i386/?fl= |
| 05:08.46 | Ilovemypuppy | reZo, I used the netinstall and debian installed REALLY fast |
| 05:08.58 | reZo | intersting, |
| 05:09.01 | dondelelcaro | Ilovemypuppy: yes, that's the point; you were probably running a 2.4 kernel in woody, and comparing it to a 2.6.8 kernel in sarge. |
| 05:09.02 | Ilovemypuppy | its a fast download too |
| 05:09.04 | dondelelcaro | !netinst |
| 05:09.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 05:09.04 | reZo | what's the downlaod size? |
| 05:09.11 | dondelelcaro | reZo: depends on what packages you install. |
| 05:09.17 | reZo | aho kay |
| 05:09.20 | reZo | *ah okay |
| 05:09.36 | Ilovemypuppy | dondelelcaro, if I may offer an observation, the current stable runs a lot faster on 2.6 than 2.4 , at least boot time is a lot shorter |
| 05:09.56 | Ilovemypuppy | I accidentally installed with a 2.4 the first time and stew was kind enough to show me how i noobed |
| 05:10.11 | dondelelcaro | Ilovemypuppy: boot time is a worthless measurement... we don't bother to optimize that at all. |
| 05:10.36 | Ilovemypuppy | are there any kind of linux benchmarks ? |
| 05:10.46 | dondelelcaro | (although, some work has been done on it recently... it's just not something that is traditionally concentrated on, since it doesn't matter on many machines.) |
| 05:10.57 | dondelelcaro | Ilovemypuppy: there are lots, but like most benchmarks, they're often totally useless. |
| 05:11.02 | Ilovemypuppy | hmm |
| 05:11.14 | reZo | i guess the basic netinst doesn't come with X though right? |
| 05:11.22 | reZo | just CLI? |
| 05:11.26 | Ilovemypuppy | well I think the thing I like the most so far is that it lets me have a very small and barebone initial install |
| 05:11.29 | dondelelcaro | reZo: it'll install X if you tell it to. |
| 05:11.35 | reZo | yeah |
| 05:11.41 | Ilovemypuppy | the netinstall does, I have never tried a full cd release |
| 05:11.43 | reZo | sudo apt-get install x? |
| 05:11.55 | reZo | Ilovemypuppy, okay. |
| 05:11.56 | reZo | :) |
| 05:12.08 | Ilovemypuppy | reZo, theres something in dpkg that will tell you how to do X |
| 05:12.13 | stew | reZo: apt-get install x-window-system ; or just run tasksel and select "desktop" |
| 05:12.15 | Ilovemypuppy | I think I still have it in my buffer |
| 05:12.27 | reZo | :) |
| 05:12.28 | litage | i have an ssl-enabled vsftpd running and i've setup stunnel to connect to it. however, when i telnet into the local port that stunnel forwards to vsftpd and start sending ftp commands, vsftpd doesn't receive the commands. how can i debug this? |
| 05:12.53 | Ilovemypuppy | reZo, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 05:13.27 | Ilovemypuppy | i love how each of the debian and debian based channels all seem to have their own personal r2d2 |
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| 05:15.52 | dondelelcaro | litage: you mean you telnet to the local port that vsftp is listening on? |
| 05:16.02 | wireddd | how good is bluetooth support? |
| 05:16.14 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: depends on the device. |
| 05:16.21 | liable | seems ok what i have tried |
| 05:16.39 | Ilovemypuppy | no ut2004 dedicated server in the package lists :( |
| 05:16.49 | Ilovemypuppy | I got spoiled w gentoo |
| 05:17.28 | litage | dondelelcaro: vsftpd is listening on 10.0.10.20:5678 . stunnel runs on 10.0.10.10, connects to vsfptd, and accepts connections on 127.0.0.1:2345 |
| 05:17.34 | Ilovemypuppy | you guys made the install so light, ive got everything running I want and its barely touching the cpu |
| 05:17.38 | litage | s/stunnel/stunnel4/ |
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| 05:18.35 | dondelelcaro | litage: it accepts ssl wrapped connections, you mean? |
| 05:19.20 | litage | dondelelcaro: if by "it" you mean vsftpd, then yes. i've configured it to accept ssl connections only |
| 05:19.31 | litage | s/configured it/configured vsftpd/ |
| 05:19.49 | litage | dondelelcaro: on 10.0.10.10 i then telnet into stunnel with `telnet 127.0.0.1 2345` and get the usual telnet prompt. when i type ftp commands, vsftpd doesn't receive them |
| 05:20.40 | dondelelcaro | litage: so you're not using stunnel to ssl wrap the connection, but to provide a non-ssl connection to an ssl server. |
| 05:20.44 | dondelelcaro | s/server/service/ |
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| 05:22.21 | dondelelcaro | (I'd almost suggest using lftp, but...) |
| 05:23.12 | litage | dondelelcaro: i'm a little confused by how you worded that. what i'm trying to do is wrap my ftp connection with ssl and connect to vsftpd (which only accepts ssl-encrypted connections) |
| 05:24.12 | dondelelcaro | litage: why not just use lftp? |
| 05:24.41 | litage | dondelelcaro: debian's lftp package isn't compiled with ssl support |
| 05:25.08 | dondelelcaro | litage: it is.. |
| 05:25.12 | dondelelcaro | !depends lftp |
| 05:25.17 | dpkg | lftp: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libreadline5 (>= 5.1), libtasn1-3 (>= 0.3.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), netbase |
| 05:25.58 | litage | oh heh i was looking for ssl, not tls =P my bad |
| 05:26.07 | litage | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 05:32.29 | zkk | Hello there, |
| 05:33.12 | zkk | i'm having problem using apt-get update |
| 05:33.30 | zkk | Could not resolve server |
| 05:33.52 | zkk | also when i ping google.com it shows: ping: unknown host google.com |
| 05:34.24 | zkk | in another hand, i can ping google IP but can't through the hostname |
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| 05:34.47 | zkk | no hostname works at all, anybody knows what might cusing this issue? |
| 05:35.11 | dondelelcaro | zkk: you don't have the proper nameserver listed in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:35.35 | zkk | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:35.35 | zkk | nameserver 85.17.97.39 |
| 05:35.36 | zkk | that is |
| 05:35.47 | zkk | after editing did restart bind |
| 05:35.52 | zkk | and still not working |
| 05:36.51 | parsonsd | restart /etc/init.d/lwresd |
| 05:36.51 | zkk | 85.17.97.39 = my server IP |
| 05:36.59 | parsonsd | zkk: restart /etc/init.d/lwresd |
| 05:37.10 | parsonsd | zkk reads resolv.conf |
| 05:37.24 | zkk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.25 | zkk | sh: /etc/init.d/lwresd: No such file or directory |
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| 05:37.55 | Lakez | anyone know why Sata Parity Errors happen? Buggy kernel? |
| 05:37.57 | parsonsd | zkk : bind reads /etc/named.conf or /var/...something or another |
| 05:38.18 | parsonsd | i can't remember which way debian does it and which obsd does it |
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| 05:39.30 | zkk | parsonsd: i'm confused |
| 05:39.39 | zkk | been reading forums about 2 hours now |
| 05:40.33 | zkk | same as this guy problem: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7861&highlight=ping+unknown+host |
| 05:40.41 | zkk | but he didn't say how he fixed it :( |
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| 05:41.44 | Linux_Freek | stew: hi ! |
| 05:41.47 | Ilovemypuppy | im trying to install the nvidia drivers, I installed the kernel-headers package but the nvidia installer still doesn't see the kernel source tree |
| 05:42.53 | Linux_Freek | hello ! |
| 05:43.11 | Linux_Freek | each time i reboot my system the volume is muted.. |
| 05:43.23 | Linux_Freek | i found this in the sessions -> startup |
| 05:43.29 | Linux_Freek | gnome-volume-manager --sm-disable |
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| 05:43.50 | Linux_Freek | even though i remove it .. next time i reboot it comes back |
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| 05:45.29 | zkk | :s |
| 05:45.31 | zkk | any help? |
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| 05:47.49 | janrocks | zkk: try this |
| 05:47.55 | janrocks | Edit the file /etc/default/bind9 |
| 05:48.15 | janrocks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:49.37 | zkk | janrocks: OPTIONS="-u bind" |
| 05:49.39 | zkk | already there |
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| 05:49.55 | Linux_Freek | any one has the same problem as me ? |
| 05:50.03 | Linux_Freek | i use Debian testing |
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| 05:50.57 | zkk | janrocks: i made it look like this: OPTIONS="-u bind -t /var/lib/named" is that right? |
| 05:51.06 | anddreaz | sarge vs etch? |
| 05:51.10 | anddreaz | for webserver? |
| 05:51.19 | janrocks | zkk: looks right to me |
| 05:51.20 | zkk | sarge |
| 05:51.23 | anddreaz | thanks |
| 05:51.25 | janrocks | yup |
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| 05:51.46 | zkk | jackrocks: i get this: |
| 05:51.47 | zkk | host151:/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d# /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 05:51.47 | zkk | Stopping domain name service: named. |
| 05:51.47 | zkk | Starting domain name service: namednamed: chroot(): No such file or directory |
| 05:51.47 | zkk | . |
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| 05:52.03 | zkk | did you get it ? |
| 05:52.09 | zkk | Starting domain name service: namednamed: chroot(): No such file or directory |
| 05:52.09 | zkk | . |
| 05:52.23 | janrocks | zkk: hmm..i'm running sarge..maybe different |
| 05:54.32 | zkk | i'm runing sarge too |
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| 05:55.34 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, thanks for the help today again, I just got gnome-core set up, nice and light - youre the man |
| 05:57.26 | janrocks | zkk: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/ |
| 05:57.33 | janrocks | about half way down |
| 05:57.37 | janrocks | section 2 |
| 05:57.45 | Ilovemypuppy | how do i see what version a package is with apt? |
| 05:57.49 | Supaplex | if I have initrd and initramfs support enabled, why upon install the linux-image package (2.6.19) do I not have an initrd image? Is there someway I can ensure it's automaticly generated on new kernel installs? |
| 05:58.01 | Supaplex | Ilovemypuppy: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 05:58.19 | Ilovemypuppy | Supaplex, that works on a package that isnt installed? |
| 05:58.37 | Supaplex | Ilovemypuppy: try it :) |
| 05:58.44 | Ilovemypuppy | no it didnt work :( |
| 05:59.55 | Supaplex | apt-cache show <foo> |
| 06:00.27 | Supaplex | I didn't read your response right the first time :) |
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| 06:01.05 | zkk | janrocks: thats same as mine |
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| 06:01.36 | janrocks | zkk: and mine |
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| 06:02.31 | zkk | but it works for you and not for me :p |
| 06:03.42 | janrocks | it's like that sometimes..lol |
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| 06:04.04 | janrocks | does it to me i just reboot |
| 06:04.16 | zkk | hmm |
| 06:04.20 | grendal_prime | yep sftp is the shit man it workd |
| 06:04.25 | zkk | do you think i tm ight be fixed if i restart OS ? |
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| 06:04.27 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
| 06:04.54 | janrocks | zkk: still checking for any small diffs |
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| 06:08.24 | janrocks | zkk: im confused now |
| 06:08.30 | janrocks | too tired really |
| 06:09.43 | zkk | heh |
| 06:09.51 | zkk | even restarting os didn't resolve it |
| 06:10.04 | solars | hi, I want to open a a terminal with a specific program, like urxvt -e top however I don't want the terminal to be killed if I exit top, how can I do this ? |
| 06:10.05 | zkk | i bet its gonna be a stupid issue at the end :P |
| 06:10.14 | zkk | thanks anyway jackrocks for your help |
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| 06:12.08 | janrocks | i can't even find bind now |
| 06:12.36 | janrocks | prob something silly like a missing link |
| 06:13.19 | zkk | "The first nameserver mentioned in resolv.conf should point to your DNS." is that MUST ? |
| 06:13.32 | zkk | because first one is 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:13.39 | zkk | then the dns ones |
| 06:13.54 | janrocks | 127.0.0.1 loopback |
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| 06:15.10 | janrocks | zkk: resolv.conf here |
| 06:15.14 | janrocks | search home |
| 06:15.14 | janrocks | nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
| 06:15.25 | janrocks | that's all |
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| 06:15.41 | janrocks | dhcp server on network |
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| 06:19.29 | janrocks | no bind at all |
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| 06:19.53 | Vich | I'm trying to compile something and it says I'm missing io.h, does anyone know what package this is in or how I could find out? |
| 06:20.26 | Guerin | !b-e |
| 06:20.27 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:20.51 | Vich | I've already got build-essential |
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| 06:21.32 | solars | does anyone know if its possible to use guessnet in a script? eg. to test in a cronjob which wlan youre in |
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| 06:23.27 | janrocks | zkk: i'll investigate after sleep |
| 06:23.29 | janrocks | night all |
| 06:23.34 | LinuxHelp | You know the debian install cd? Right anyway so I was wondering, how does one pass a parameter to the "setup" kernel that will allow it to use usb-keyboards, because currently I can start the installer, but once I get into the installer my keyboard just stops working. |
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| 06:23.55 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: tried reading the help? |
| 06:23.59 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: on the boot screens |
| 06:24.16 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: otherwise get a usb->ps/2 converter |
| 06:26.16 | Ilovemypuppy | for transferring files is ftp faster than smb? |
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| 06:26.45 | krazykit | Ilovemypuppy: probably not a whole ton of difference |
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| 06:27.44 | Ilovemypuppy | im transferring 18 gigs of videos |
| 06:27.53 | Ilovemypuppy | gonna take 25 min via samba |
| 06:28.48 | zkk | :C |
| 06:29.30 | LinuxHelp | Ah debian-installer/probe/usb=true worked :D |
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| 06:36.59 | krazykit | LinuxHelp: especially with a nick like that ;-) |
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| 06:39.56 | Supaplex | is upgrading mysql 4.0 to 4.1 seamless? will it prevent me from downgrading to 4.0 if I discover any serious issues later on? |
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| 06:46.19 | Ilovemypuppy | nice -deb setup in stable worked out very easily, very dummy proof |
| 06:46.26 | Ilovemypuppy | very happy |
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| 06:49.07 | ram_einstein | I have this generic serial modem connected to com3 and bound to /dev/ttyS2. I'm having issues issuing it AT commands |
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| 06:49.16 | ram_einstein | http://www.mobguru.com/Linux+GPRS+Bluetooth.htm << This is the page I'm reading and following. There are three files that this guy has created |
| 06:49.25 | ram_einstein | After changing the username and device in the gprs file, when I issued 'pppd call gprs', this is the curt response I got >> http://pastebin.com/836692 |
| 06:49.32 | ram_einstein | Please advise |
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| 06:52.32 | Ilovemypuppy | how do I save my alsa settings in stable? |
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| 06:54.20 | Ilovemypuppy | isnt there an alsa daemon or something in debian? |
| 06:54.58 | Guerin | no |
| 06:55.06 | Guerin | alsa isn't a daemon |
| 06:55.10 | Guerin | anywhere |
| 06:55.22 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: it saves state on shitdown |
| 06:55.27 | Guerin | and shutdown, too |
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| 06:55.42 | Ilovemypuppy | its not doing it, I have to run alsaconf every time |
| 06:55.50 | Guerin | that's stupid-like |
| 06:55.59 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, if youre around I could really use your help, i know im just missing something |
| 06:56.05 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: echo snd-nameofyoursoundmodule >> /etc/modules |
| 06:56.32 | stoned | why is it called a daemon |
| 06:56.41 | Guerin | stoned: it's not. |
| 06:56.49 | stoned | is it scary with pointy teeth |
| 06:56.57 | stoned | and sharp claws |
| 06:56.59 | Guerin | some daemons are |
| 06:57.09 | Guerin | most are benign, though |
| 06:57.10 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:57.23 | Guerin | they lurk arouns in the dark recesses of your computer, waiting to do your bidding |
| 06:57.32 | admin123 | erh, gnome has a asla mixer.. |
| 06:57.34 | stoned | "yeh man, I got a couple of demons running around in here" |
| 06:57.35 | stoned | haha |
| 06:57.46 | admin123 | so when you configure your gnome desktop it saves it's state |
| 06:58.07 | admin123 | what, you prefer qt? |
| 06:58.10 | stoned | indeed |
| 06:58.13 | admin123 | lol |
| 06:58.16 | Guerin | i dislike both |
| 06:58.19 | stoned | I just like qt |
| 06:58.32 | stoned | trolltech are genius |
| 06:58.52 | admin123 | qt came out of monsters and is forced to be freer to benefit non-free qt |
| 06:58.54 | admin123 | :P |
| 06:58.55 | Guerin | hm, what fir dinner |
| 06:59.02 | stoned | Guerin, ye ye. I'm a desktop user most of the times |
| 06:59.07 | Guerin | stoned: so am I. |
| 06:59.12 | Ilovemypuppy | ok Guerin thx, worked |
| 06:59.13 | stoned | you won't see anything related to X running on my servers |
| 06:59.28 | stoned | well, except the fucking Xserver it self |
| 06:59.29 | Ilovemypuppy | didnt need the echo but I forgot the module doesnt autoload |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | i run X because it allows me to run firefox |
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| 06:59.51 | Guerin | firefox and urxvt are literally the only x programs I regularly use |
| 07:00.02 | Guerin | cplay and mplayer for media |
| 07:00.06 | Guerin | emacs for documents |
| 07:00.12 | Guerin | oh, evince for pdfs |
| 07:00.19 | Guerin | that's X as well |
| 07:00.20 | stoned | lets see, I use amarok all the time, and limewire pro, and mplayer, games, cedega, diablo2 |
| 07:00.22 | admin123 | Guerin, so you dual boot? emacs and linux? |
| 07:00.26 | stoned | lol |
| 07:00.32 | stoned | admin123, thats a good on e |
| 07:00.38 | Guerin | admin123: emacs is many things, but it's not a kernel |
| 07:00.45 | admin123 | it's aos |
| 07:00.49 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:00.50 | ram_einstein | I have this generic serial modem connected to com3 and bound to /dev/ttyS2. I'm having issues issuing it AT commands |
| 07:00.53 | Guerin | an OS needs a kernel |
| 07:00.54 | stoned | Guerin, I thought he was being sarcastic |
| 07:00.58 | ram_einstein | http://www.mobguru.com/Linux+GPRS+Bluetooth.htm << This is the page I'm reading and following. There are three files that this guy has created |
| 07:01.05 | admin123 | emacs is a complete os designed by a hippy called RMS |
| 07:01.07 | ram_einstein | After changing the username and device in the gprs file, when I issued 'pppd call gprs', this is the curt response I got >> http://pastebin.com/836692 |
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| 07:01.12 | Guerin | admin123: where is its kernel? |
| 07:01.17 | ram_einstein | Please advise |
| 07:01.17 | Guerin | and rms isn't a hippy |
| 07:01.30 | Guerin | just because he likes folk dancing and has long hair |
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| 07:01.40 | zkk | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10452 any help ? |
| 07:01.41 | admin123 | Guerin, you mean, he just has long beard and hair never takes a bath, but he is not hippy? |
| 07:01.42 | stoned | !bluetooth |
| 07:01.43 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 07:01.48 | Guerin | admin123: right. |
| 07:01.53 | admin123 | Guerin, just joking ... ;) |
| 07:01.59 | Guerin | admin123: no. Really? |
| 07:02.06 | admin123 | emacs is nice |
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| 07:02.10 | ram_einstein | stoned: no, I'm not looking at bluetooth at all |
| 07:02.13 | stoned | why is it called a blue tooth |
| 07:02.15 | Guerin | emacs isn't nice, it's mighty |
| 07:02.23 | Guerin | nice would be if it was friendly and useless |
| 07:02.38 | Guerin | like gnome |
| 07:02.40 | admin123 | nah |
| 07:02.45 | admin123 | there is no perfect software |
| 07:02.46 | Phated | Or moon-buggy ^.^ |
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| 07:02.49 | admin123 | all software suck at a point |
| 07:02.53 | Guerin | Phated: arr! |
| 07:02.56 | Guerin | admin123: yes. |
| 07:03.00 | doubletwist | Ok, I'm having serious issues with mdadm, and I'm at a loss. |
| 07:03.08 | Phated | Guerin: Arrr, good sir. |
| 07:03.13 | ram_einstein | ratpoison is one of the best desktop environments afaik |
| 07:03.21 | stoned | its a window manager |
| 07:03.23 | Guerin | ram_einstein: nah, it's shit. |
| 07:03.32 | doubletwist | A system with a 4 drive RAID5 died. So I've moved the array to another system... |
| 07:03.33 | stoned | and it sucks donkey balls |
| 07:03.36 | ram_einstein | Guerin: it's very very fast and efficient |
| 07:03.36 | admin123 | ion is a good one |
| 07:03.36 | Guerin | ram_einstein: i like the ability to have windows some size other than fullscreen |
| 07:03.45 | doubletwist | But I can't get it to recognize the array. |
| 07:03.50 | sep | !tell doubleclick about enter |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | ram_einstein: evilwm is just as fast and efficient, and more flexible |
| 07:03.53 | ram_einstein | Guerin: that's why we split screens |
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| 07:04.06 | doubletwist | Although it recognizes the individual drives/partitions as being a device to an array. |
| 07:04.08 | ram_einstein | Guerin: it uses the rodent |
| 07:04.10 | stoned | !lose sep |
| 07:04.10 | dpkg | sep: You Lose. |
| 07:04.10 | zkk | :s |
| 07:04.14 | sep | siigh |
| 07:04.17 | stoned | :D |
| 07:04.27 | Guerin | ram_einstein: yeah, because I want a 'this document have changed, do you want to save (Y/N)' window to be a huge fullscreen focus-stealing beast |
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| 07:04.32 | schme | stoned: I think Bluetooth comes from Harald Blåtand (Harald Bluetooth) |
| 07:04.35 | sep | stoned, i'd say he loose, since i dont bother stitching together 10 lines of explanation in order to try and identify a issue |
| 07:04.42 | Guerin | no thanks |
| 07:04.48 | Guerin | evilwm is so good it's evil |
| 07:04.49 | ram_einstein | Guerin: I don't use graphical applications |
| 07:04.59 | schme | stumpwm darn it |
| 07:05.05 | Guerin | ram_einstein: neither do I, when I can help it, but I do like to be able to do so if I choose. |
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| 07:05.13 | stoned | wow, this is I'm-such-a-console-nerd-penis-waving |
| 07:05.25 | Guerin | stoned: you use what you like, so will I. |
| 07:05.32 | Guerin | stoned: but I'm not showeing you my penis. |
| 07:05.33 | ram_einstein | Guerin: what could be graphical? |
| 07:05.43 | ram_einstein | fortunately |
| 07:05.47 | Phated | If you don't use graphical apps, why d'you need ratpoison at all? |
| 07:05.56 | Phated | screen (1) obviously should suffice. |
| 07:06.07 | ram_einstein | vim, emacs, mutt |
| 07:06.07 | Guerin | ram_einstein: firefox, for one thing. I have to use openoffice to read my stupid unbiversity's ms office files, and a pdf reader |
| 07:06.18 | Guerin | ram_einstein: i do most of my work in mutt and emacs |
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| 07:06.24 | Guerin | in latex nowadays |
| 07:06.29 | ram_einstein | Phated: I use screen a lot too, sometimes inside ratpoison |
| 07:06.47 | stoned | hey, if it is more productive, go with it |
| 07:06.47 | ram_einstein | Guerin: firefox!? It's bloated |
| 07:06.57 | Phated | Seems redundant, if you're only going to be using the console anyway. <shrug> Anyways. |
| 07:07.02 | Guerin | ram_einstein: it's the least-bloated functional browser there is |
| 07:07.10 | parsonsd | Guerin : since you use latex, have you ever run across a resume format for it? |
| 07:07.20 | stoned | but if it because you like to feel all l33t about using text only shit, then yeah, my point remains |
| 07:07.21 | Guerin | and please don't suggest links(2) |
| 07:07.21 | ram_einstein | Guerin: umm.. that's probably true |
| 07:07.21 | stoned | and I believe it to be the latter |
| 07:07.25 | ram_einstein | but I use firefox with Conkeror sometimes |
| 07:07.32 | Guerin | parsonsd: i have, but it was for 2.09 |
| 07:07.34 | ram_einstein | which also removes rodent dependency |
| 07:07.39 | ram_einstein | and dialog boxes |
| 07:07.42 | Guerin | parsonsd: i just use article and fidge it into pdf formats |
| 07:07.48 | parsonsd | google returns little better than a CV. i don't use those |
| 07:07.52 | parsonsd | article? |
| 07:07.52 | ram_einstein | Conkeror is an extension btw |
| 07:08.00 | Phated | Guerin: "pdf formats", or "resume formats" :) |
| 07:08.08 | doubleclick | sep: ? |
| 07:08.15 | Guerin | Phated: i send my resumes as pdf |
| 07:08.17 | ram_einstein | made by the same person as ratpoison itself: Shawn Betts |
| 07:08.27 | Guerin | Phated: anyone incapable of reading a pdf is not someone I want to be working for |
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| 07:08.35 | Phated | Guerin: Yeh, but surely the resume format refers to formatting, not document type :) |
| 07:08.39 | sep | doubleclick, yes ? |
| 07:08.59 | Guerin | Phated: no, i think he means a latex document class, which is a set of stuff to format text such and such a ways |
| 07:09.01 | Phated | Guerin: I send my resumes in PDF also. And my reports for skool. |
| 07:09.12 | Guerin | pdf ftw! |
| 07:09.16 | Guerin | which reminds me |
| 07:09.18 | Guerin | !adobe |
| 07:09.18 | dpkg | somebody said adobe was now the company distributing the flash plugin, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer for installing that flash plugin on debian systems |
| 07:09.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:09.39 | Guerin | dpkg, adobe is also http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 07:09.40 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:09.54 | Phated | Guerin: Yes, so surely using 'article' would be enough :) pdf formats would seem to be a mite redundant re: his question. In any case, we can agree that pdf==win for submission of documents. |
| 07:10.18 | Phated | So, um, yay. *runs off to play, then* |
| 07:10.22 | Guerin | Phated: not really. If there was a good resume format, you'd be able to paste in text of your choise, and it'd be done |
| 07:10.25 | parsonsd | is not a latex document class the way to format text in a particular way? |
| 07:10.31 | Phated | Guerin: Ohhhhhh. |
| 07:10.39 | Guerin | Phated: making article work is a kludge |
| 07:10.41 | doubleclick | sep: wrong guy, i didn't say anything |
| 07:10.46 | Phated | Guerin: Meh, article WFM. |
| 07:10.55 | Guerin | Phated: me too. |
| 07:11.36 | Phated | Oh, sorry, no, I use 'report' :) but I used article for my last resume. |
| 07:11.53 | Guerin | details details |
| 07:12.00 | Phated | Devil's in them. |
| 07:12.05 | Guerin | my kitten looks like a lemur |
| 07:12.16 | Phated | Guerin: The white one? It is -adorable-. |
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| 07:12.27 | Guerin | Phated: he's blackity black, y'all |
| 07:12.36 | Guerin | Phated: you're thinking of someone else's kitten |
| 07:12.58 | Guerin | Phated: http://feayn.org/~lewis/2.jpg |
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| 07:13.06 | stoned | wtf |
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| 07:14.24 | Phated | Guerin: ... no, that WAS the kitten I thought of, but I thought it was white... I have -no- idea how. |
| 07:14.28 | kjoonlee | hi :) |
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| 07:14.32 | beardy | Guerin: What can one say other than "Aawww, how cute :)" |
| 07:14.43 | kjoonlee | huh? I want to see cuteness too :) |
| 07:14.46 | kjoonlee | *.* |
| 07:14.53 | Guerin | kjoonlee: http://feayn.org/~lewis/2.jpg |
| 07:15.04 | kjoonlee | Guerin: thank you ^_^ |
| 07:15.11 | kjoonlee | awwww..... |
| 07:15.23 | kjoonlee | they should submit his photo to DailyKitten |
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| 07:15.28 | Phated | Yes, because if a link is addressed to someone else on an IRC channel, you can't see it... |
| 07:15.28 | kjoonlee | his/her |
| 07:15.50 | Guerin | Phated: stop ignoring joins |
| 07:15.50 | parsonsd | that's an eclectic set of books |
| 07:16.14 | Guerin | parsonsd: heh. My wife collects rare books ... and some that aren't rare, just bizarre. |
| 07:16.27 | Guerin | at least 50% of our wall space is consumed by bookshelves |
| 07:16.30 | Phated | Guerin: I like joins. |
| 07:16.37 | Phated | I don't like -seeing- them. |
| 07:16.39 | sep | since we are on the OT kitten topic anyway http://kittenwar.com/ :P |
| 07:16.54 | parsonsd | guerin, we have a similar problem |
| 07:16.57 | kjoonlee | The cuteness is just too high at kittenwar |
| 07:17.05 | sep | kjoonlee, |
| 07:17.13 | parsonsd | guerin, and still not enough bookshelves.... |
| 07:17.15 | kjoonlee | That's why I prefer http://www.dailykitten.com/ |
| 07:17.16 | sep | kjoonlee, cuteness overflow ? |
| 07:17.26 | Phated | Duh, http://cuteoverload.com |
| 07:17.42 | dargor__ | hey im trying to migrate debian(stable) form a ide hard drive to my sata, anyone done this before, i know i need a kernel that supports sata |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | parsonsd: right. And she continues to buy them. |
| 07:17.53 | Guerin | good thing she's an absurdly fast reader |
| 07:17.56 | sep | Phated, aarghhh! |
| 07:18.08 | Phated | :) |
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| 07:19.04 | Guerin | some of these kittenwar kittens are freking ugly |
| 07:19.18 | kjoonlee | Yeah, that's another reason I.... |
| 07:19.21 | sep | i guess rotten.com on the left screen and cuteoverload on the right one would be a normal ballance. |
| 07:20.06 | kjoonlee | dargor__: Do you have two drives? |
| 07:20.10 | dargor__ | yea |
| 07:20.17 | sep | (untill the men in white coats comes to take you away) |
| 07:21.10 | parsonsd | can anyone say how far behind testing is from sid? a google search turned out that a fix for a problem i ahve with kpilot is in their dev tree---and i'd rather not wait to have a working palm tungsten |
| 07:21.12 | dargor__ | should i be sweet to just copy everything over preserve permissions and set up grub |
| 07:21.27 | parsonsd | sep -- not balance. in a spin |
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| 07:23.34 | sep | parsonsd, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kpilot but maintainers are not suposed to do larger upgrades now since they are trying to release. so the next upstream might have to wait until etch releases. |
| 07:24.14 | Guerin | how's the release progressing, then? |
| 07:24.22 | kjoonlee | parsonsd: if you have root access you could download the sources from unstable and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:26.16 | parsonsd | oh icky. |
| 07:26.19 | sep | Guerin, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 07:26.30 | parsonsd | sep - thanks. |
| 07:27.05 | Guerin | !lenny |
| 07:27.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 07:27.10 | parsonsd | kjoonlee -- sounds like crossing streams between sid & testng |
| 07:27.18 | Guerin | my s-i-l's dog is called lenny |
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| 07:27.31 | Guerin | he's the stupidest labrador I ever knew |
| 07:27.45 | kjoonlee | parsonsd: or you could get a patch for your version (or create one with diff and trim) and put it in "debian/patch*" |
| 07:27.56 | kjoonlee | parsonsd: to recompile the testing version (with the patch) |
| 07:28.15 | parsonsd | kjoonlee -- tho i have considered installing from the kpilot source tree... *sigh* |
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| 07:29.11 | parsonsd | kjoonlee - put it in "debian/patch"? |
| 07:29.32 | kjoonlee | parsonsd: if you do apt-get source kpilot there will be a directory called debian |
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| 07:29.52 | kjoonlee | parsonsd: somewhere there's a directory underneath called patch or patches; inside there are debian-specific patches. |
| 07:30.25 | parsonsd | kjoonlee -- i see. thanks. |
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| 07:31.46 | kjoonlee | parsonsd: np :) |
| 07:32.26 | Guerin | PJ Harvey FTW! |
| 07:32.29 | parsonsd | saved and waiting for tomorrow. |
| 07:32.43 | Guerin | the gal has a set of lungs on her |
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| 07:34.04 | karsten | Guerin: Wozzat about PJ? |
| 07:34.13 | Guerin | karsten: PJ good |
| 07:34.22 | Guerin | karsten: ++unbad |
| 07:34.23 | Guerin | etc. |
| 07:34.36 | karsten | Guerin: Dig. What's that fish water song of hers. Back in the stone age. |
| 07:34.38 | karsten | Mid 1990s. |
| 07:34.53 | Guerin | karsten: she made rather a lot of music in the 1990s |
| 07:35.16 | Guerin | including one of Kurt Cobain's top-5 albums, which was apparently in the cd player when he killed himself |
| 07:35.54 | Guerin | if that's a recommendation |
| 07:36.17 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 07:36.45 | karsten | Guerin: "Down by the Water" |
| 07:36.47 | Guerin | karsten: tomorrow's another day! |
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| 07:36.53 | Guerin | karsten: oh, yep |
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| 07:41.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:41.54 | Guerin | i've figured out the only sane way to moderate /. |
| 07:42.06 | Guerin | moderat posts based on the user's sig |
| 07:42.24 | Guerin | if it's funny, mod it so |
| 07:42.36 | Guerin | ignore the body of the post since it's a waste of air anyway |
| 07:42.57 | Bloodyx | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10452 |
| 07:42.58 | Bloodyx | ;s |
| 07:43.15 | Ilovemypuppy | stable is "sarge" right? |
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| 07:43.55 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: yes. |
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| 07:44.44 | Ilovemypuppy | my install is only 1.1 g |
| 07:44.48 | Ilovemypuppy | so nice |
| 07:44.56 | Ilovemypuppy | thats with gnome and everything |
| 07:44.56 | Guerin | that's a big one, too |
| 07:44.58 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:45.11 | Guerin | that's what we call 'massively bloated' in debianland |
| 07:45.25 | Ilovemypuppy | wel im quite happy with it, g4l is gonna mash that WAY down |
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| 07:46.02 | Ilovemypuppy | i'd like to fine a good way to backup without shutting down though |
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| 07:47.42 | Ilovemypuppy | anyone got any experience with backup-manager? |
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| 07:50.34 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: back up to what? |
| 07:50.58 | liable | floppies!?!? |
| 07:51.06 | Ilovemypuppy | I think im gona have it back up to a blank cd |
| 07:51.15 | Guerin | why? |
| 07:51.34 | liable | partimage you may find attractive |
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| 07:53.14 | liable | whats g4l? |
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| 07:53.31 | karsten | OK, that's with KDE stuff installed. |
| 07:53.38 | karsten | Ilovemypuppy: tar |
| 07:53.55 | liable | i have a hard time keeping mine below 5G, must be time for a cleanup |
| 07:54.04 | karsten | liable: Disk is cheap. |
| 07:54.07 | Raging_Hog | I found a package I want in packages.debian.org. But I can't add that url to my sources.list? |
| 07:54.17 | Guerin | Raging_Hog: no. |
| 07:54.32 | liable | karsten: i have heaps of room, but i cant be assed rezing / |
| 07:54.33 | karsten | Raging_Hog: If it's a standalone .deb file, just download and install it with dpkg, but you're taking risks doing that. |
| 07:54.34 | Guerin | Raging_Hog: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 07:54.47 | liable | err, resizing even |
| 07:54.54 | karsten | Raging_Hog: What package, what version of Debian? |
| 07:55.15 | Raging_Hog | guerin, it's sarge, downloaded a year ago and I just did a dist-upgrade. The package is Eclipse |
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| 07:56.16 | karsten | Raging_Hog: You're sure that's not in etch/sarge? |
| 07:56.17 | Guerin | Raging_Hog: eclipse is in contrib |
| 07:56.24 | Guerin | !contrib |
| 07:56.24 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 07:56.29 | Guerin | (for now) |
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| 07:57.16 | kristalino | hi. i have big big problems with http://sourceforge.net/projects/ccd2iso/ and http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/ . None of them work. Any ideas ? |
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| 07:57.24 | Raging_Hog | thanks Guerin |
| 07:57.26 | liable | why 'for now'? |
| 07:57.33 | Guerin | !htfswk kristalino |
| 07:57.33 | dpkg | kristalino: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:57.50 | Guerin | liable: because sun java is going to be free one day ... like a boid |
| 07:58.20 | liable | oh, ok, i thought it was GPL already no? |
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| 07:58.47 | Guerin | i thought so too, but I can't find the source, so afaic it ain't |
| 07:58.57 | Guerin | i think some stuff has been gpled |
| 07:59.02 | Guerin | but not the runtimes |
| 07:59.11 | karsten | Guerin: If you love somebody, set them free. |
| 07:59.21 | liable | last time i trust /. for my nerd news!!! :) |
| 07:59.23 | Guerin | karsten: if they don't come back, hunt them down and kill them. |
| 07:59.35 | liable | i think you two should marry |
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| 08:00.11 | streuner | liable: 2 marries is almost in every country not allowed :-) |
| 08:00.27 | karsten | streuner: English much speak? |
| 08:00.38 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, because cds are durable and my install is mashing down very small |
| 08:00.43 | streuner | karsten: Sprichst du Deutsch? |
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| 08:00.57 | liable | streuner: well, lets not let law get in the way of a happy union :) |
| 08:01.32 | karsten | streuner: Nein, ich kann das nicht. |
| 08:02.10 | Guerin | HOWZAAAAT |
| 08:02.11 | streuner | karsten: not bad, not bad :-) |
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| 08:02.33 | Guerin | note: HOWZAAAAT is cricketese for 'PWND!!!1' |
| 08:02.44 | karsten | streuner: Vielen Danke! |
| 08:02.55 | streuner | people* |
| 08:03.06 | liable | prolly quite a few i would guess |
| 08:03.09 | karsten | streuner: I enjoy evesdropping on German tourists here. |
| 08:03.27 | streuner | liable: well, i thought so too, but there are many more than i expected ... |
| 08:03.38 | liable | i would have liked to learn german when i was involved in tourist work |
| 08:04.05 | liable | streuner: many more, or not as many?? |
| 08:04.35 | streuner | many |
| 08:04.49 | streuner | a lot of people here speak very well german |
| 08:05.13 | liable | this laptop cant last much longer, for the last two years the screen goes flaky, and i fix it by flexing the base of the lappie :/ |
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| 08:05.48 | karsten | Les hommes parlez francais aussie. |
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| 08:06.35 | liable | hah, i draw a blank when i try and come up with an 'aussie' phrase |
| 08:06.40 | karsten | SpeedyG: dosvidanya, Frenchy |
| 08:06.46 | karsten | liable: No problems, mate. |
| 08:06.57 | SpeedyG | karsten: thats slovakian or somth? |
| 08:07.06 | karsten | SpeedyG: Rusky. |
| 08:07.09 | SpeedyG | ah |
| 08:07.18 | SpeedyG | not my best language either :P |
| 08:07.31 | SpeedyG | and a bit of german |
| 08:08.06 | karsten | Oh, and English. |
| 08:08.21 | SpeedyG | lol, american and texan.. :p |
| 08:08.28 | liable | what? no klingon!! |
| 08:08.39 | karsten | liable: Sorry. |
| 08:08.40 | SpeedyG | I guess US-ghetto slang would also be quite easy |
| 08:08.46 | karsten | liable: Gaelic if I've got my translater. |
| 08:09.13 | liable | there was a very funny fosters add in gaelic once |
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| 08:09.25 | karsten | Fosters... |
| 08:09.34 | karsten | ... isn't that Australian for "piss"? |
| 08:09.47 | liable | yep, we dont drink it, only export it |
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| 08:10.17 | karsten | liable: Australian phrases: "Go Straya!" |
| 08:10.24 | liable | oi oi oi |
| 08:11.13 | abchirk | !ops iNsane spam on join (pornsites) |
| 08:11.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: iNsane spam on join (pornsites) |
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| 08:11.54 | RichiH | narf |
| 08:11.55 | liable | weee, op reaction time ++ |
| 08:12.02 | liable | :) |
| 08:12.12 | abchirk | RichiH the same guy is in redhat and asterisk ...can you kline him? |
| 08:12.12 | RichiH | peterS: you never let me check easily, do you? ;) |
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| 08:12.42 | RichiH | abchirk: yah, on it, i know them.. |
| 08:12.47 | RichiH | klined, btw |
| 08:12.47 | abchirk | rgr |
| 08:12.54 | karsten | !beer RichiH |
| 08:13.00 | peterS | RichiH: the pattern is clear enough - semi-random real name, semi-random username, joined to #debian #redhat and sometimes #asterisk. why bother to verify? |
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| 08:13.35 | liable | because i need time to /cycle to get teh pr0n! |
| 08:13.45 | cydork | heh |
| 08:13.48 | RichiH | peterS: simply because i never kline without prrof |
| 08:14.01 | RichiH | and i would personally eat any other staffer who did it |
| 08:14.05 | peterS | liable: guess you should /join #redhat. apparently their ops are slower than ours because I always seem to note in /whois that the spammer is still in that channel at the time we kick 'em |
| 08:14.36 | karsten | peterS: Yeah, they're bottlenecked ... |
| 08:14.41 | karsten | peterS: ... by RHN. |
| 08:14.49 | liable | peterS: just joking joyce, but i must say, i was impressed with the speedy responce |
| 08:14.59 | peterS | karsten: heh |
| 08:15.27 | peterS | liable: you can thank dondelelcaro for the script that makes the response a single irc command (after the /whois to verify that it indeed looks like a spammer) |
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| 08:16.08 | liable | peterS: i would, but i would prolly only get a 'meh' in response :) |
| 08:16.32 | MarcoPau | hello, is there any way to remove a common part of some files' name with one command? |
| 08:16.47 | Guerin | MarcoPau: rename |
| 08:16.50 | peterS | liable: still, it's a very clever script, much better than I could write (without trying really hard, anyway), makes our lives so much easier |
| 08:16.52 | karsten | MarcoPau: sed |
| 08:17.19 | liable | peterS: ya, i hear you guys talk about it every once in a while. |
| 08:17.20 | karsten | MarcoPau: mv file $( echo file | sed 's/pattern//' ) |
| 08:17.22 | peterS | MarcoPau: rename. it takes a perl expression as an argument and runs that expression (usually a s/// or similar) on each filename |
| 08:17.26 | MarcoPau | Guerin: yes but I mean to rename many files with one command, not one by one |
| 08:17.46 | cydork | MarcoPau: yep rename can do that.. |
| 08:17.52 | Guerin | MarcoPau: rename |
| 08:17.53 | karsten | MarcoPau: for f in <list>; do <above code>; done |
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| 08:18.16 | karsten | MarcoPau: Where list can be typed out or expanded from some other command, read from file, etc. |
| 08:18.23 | peterS | MarcoPau: so for example: rename s/foo// * |
| 08:18.40 | karsten | MarcoPau: FYI, there's more than one way to do it. |
| 08:19.09 | liable | for f in <ops call>; /cycle; do; save pr0n url? |
| 08:19.34 | liable | sorry |
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| 08:20.08 | peterS | I wonder why that particular brand of spambot has expanded from "#debian #redhat" to "#debian #redhat #asterisk" |
| 08:20.35 | karsten | peterS: the ET spambot. |
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| 08:20.43 | karsten | peterS: It wants to phone home. Cheep. |
| 08:21.11 | MarcoPau | I'm not really following you guys :-\ |
| 08:21.33 | peterS | MarcoPau: 'rename s/foo// *' will rename all files in the current directory to take the first "foo" out of their names. |
| 08:21.35 | MarcoPau | karsten: understood |
| 08:21.39 | peterS | MarcoPau: that's the simple part |
| 08:21.56 | peterS | isn't that basically what you're asking for? |
| 08:21.59 | MarcoPau | yes |
| 08:22.03 | MarcoPau | let try |
| 08:22.23 | MarcoPau | so foo is part of these files' names that will be wiped off, right? |
| 08:22.35 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:24.44 | MarcoPau | mm, it says no such file or directory |
| 08:25.19 | peterS | no such what? rename should be in the 'perl' package, which you almost certainly have installed |
| 08:25.22 | MarcoPau | hols on |
| 08:25.30 | MarcoPau | hold* |
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| 08:25.45 | kjoonlee | Holy cow! |
| 08:25.47 | peterS | (or, in more recent debian, 'prename', with a 'rename' alternatives symlink) |
| 08:26.02 | MarcoPau | command not found |
| 08:26.15 | peterS | prename is not in debian stable, it is still called rename there |
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| 08:26.29 | MarcoPau | funny, it completes rename as a command but can't find it |
| 08:26.46 | MarcoPau | mm |
| 08:26.56 | Guerin | !installit |
| 08:26.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:26.56 | peterS | MarcoPau: the 'no such file' might be the output of rename - what was the command you gave it? |
| 08:27.02 | kjoonlee | sudo update-alternatives --config rename |
| 08:27.13 | kjoonlee | says I have it as /usr/bin/prename |
| 08:27.30 | peterS | kjoonlee: yeah if you're running testing or unstable. in stable, it really is just rename |
| 08:27.36 | MarcoPau | 'rename ./Mozart\ IDOMENEO\ Pavarotti\ Janowitz\ Lewis\ Taylor\ Tarres\ LIVE\ 1964\ Pritchard\ CD1\ *' |
| 08:27.58 | peterS | MarcoPau: you forgot the expression in the middle. what is it you want to remove from those files? |
| 08:28.11 | kjoonlee | petemc: I'm amazed that such a program exists.. |
| 08:28.22 | MarcoPau | peterS: that part I typed |
| 08:28.22 | peterS | kjoonlee: pretty simple perl script, really. read it and see. |
| 08:28.24 | kjoonlee | peterS: Uhm, yeah. |
| 08:28.31 | kjoonlee | :) |
| 08:29.03 | peterS | MarcoPau: what you typed was a list of filenames that begin with a long string. (the shell expands your foo* into all filenames that start with foo.) rename doesn't know what you want to do with those files. |
| 08:29.53 | MarcoPau | peterS: I want to eliminate that beginning |
| 08:30.22 | Guerin | MarcoPau: rename 's/what\ you\ want\ to\ remove//' files |
| 08:30.23 | peterS | MarcoPau: so, rename 's/Mozart IDEMENEO.*CD1 //' Mozart\ * |
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| 08:30.40 | peterS | Guerin: without the \ since it's quoted |
| 08:30.44 | Guerin | mm |
| 08:30.45 | Guerin | true\ |
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| 08:31.10 | peterS | though hmmm, it should work anyway, "\ " is a valid way to write a space in a perl regex |
| 08:32.03 | MarcoPau | peterS: heh it worked, but why did you write also Mozart after the IDOMENEO thing? |
| 08:32.25 | peterS | MarcoPau: two separate arguments to rename. the first says what transformation I want, the second says which files |
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| 08:33.04 | peterS | MarcoPau: you could have just said * for the second argument, then any file that has the expression in it (not just at the beginning of the filename) would be renamed accordingly |
| 08:33.10 | MarcoPau | peterS: and * stands for "erase"? |
| 08:33.15 | peterS | no, * means all files |
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| 08:34.05 | MarcoPau | peterS: heh, but you said you wrote Mozart to "select" certain files |
| 08:34.07 | peterS | s/// is a Perl expression which replaces a regular expression with a substitution. since the substitution is empty (the // part), the pattern is removed |
| 08:34.37 | MarcoPau | ooh, you mean between the two slashes? |
| 08:34.40 | peterS | you should go learn a bit about sed or perl. the s/// thing will become clear then. |
| 08:34.59 | peterS | perl borrows the syntax from sed, and while the two aren't identical, they have the same concept in this case. |
| 08:35.19 | liable | except perl make you crazy |
| 08:35.29 | peterS | whereas sed makes you mutter in your sleep |
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| 08:35.40 | liable | touche |
| 08:35.48 | Guerin | and awk makes you teeth hurt |
| 08:35.56 | peterS | well, anyone who wants to wield sed as though it were a full programming language, anyway. which, I assure you, there are those out there who do. |
| 08:36.21 | karsten | Guerin: How about WP5.1 search-and-replace script syntax? |
| 08:36.27 | peterS | there is, or once was anyway, a 'sedders' mailing list dedicated to doing cool and nontrivial things with sed |
| 08:36.28 | Guerin | karsten: before my time |
| 08:36.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:36.54 | peterS | _fortunately_ I never heard of an IRC bot written in sed, unlike awk |
| 08:37.02 | liable | Wovaltine? |
| 08:37.15 | Guerin | peterS: there's a wiki written in bash |
| 08:37.23 | peterS | not surprising |
| 08:37.29 | peterS | and what people will do in zsh is just sad |
| 08:37.46 | liable | bash is enough to make me cry |
| 08:37.58 | karsten | Shell scripts written in csh. |
| 08:38.03 | liable | but, i *am* a little on the slow side |
| 08:38.07 | karsten | Maintenance scripts written in sed. |
| 08:38.22 | karsten | VOIP venture. |
| 08:38.24 | peterS | karsten: so, like, one or two of those things wouldn't have made you turn away, maybe? |
| 08:38.25 | karsten | And strike four: startup. |
| 08:38.29 | MarcoPau | peterS: thank you very much for noe |
| 08:38.32 | MarcoPau | now* |
| 08:38.33 | kjoonlee | liable: try ^U, ^H, and ^W in a bash session with long command lines. |
| 08:38.44 | karsten | peterS: Well, I'm dealing with a hell of a lot of csh crap where I'm at. |
| 08:39.01 | kjoonlee | liable: ^ means the Ctrl key in this case :) |
| 08:39.13 | karsten | peterS: ... and *reasonable* stuff in sed is OK. This is things where I'm aware the features exist, but you wouldn't want to use 'em. |
| 08:39.19 | peterS | heh |
| 08:39.27 | karsten | liable: Wolvotine: fortified wolf's milk. |
| 08:39.54 | karsten | Erm. Wolvatine. Whatever. |
| 08:39.55 | peterS | karsten: I once saw a convertor from Intel to AT&T asm syntax, entirely in sed. that was a little scary until I actually looked at it and it was pretty much just a series of s///, so that was ok. |
| 08:40.11 | karsten | peterS: Sed for substitutions is fine. |
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| 08:40.26 | peterS | yeah. and indeed that's all most people _ever_ use it for |
| 08:40.28 | karsten | peterS: Branching bits, and code running anything over a handful of lines, is just plain scary. |
| 08:40.52 | peterS | I'm ok with using it as a combination 'head' and 'tail', too, chopping lines by line number or pattern. |
| 08:41.10 | karsten | peterS: Pattern hold spaces is just torturing people. That's why $DEITY invented variables and assignments. |
| 08:41.18 | peterS | indeed, I agree there |
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| 08:41.51 | Guerin | thankfully, it didn't survive a backup run |
| 08:41.58 | karsten | peterS: A group of folks had a contest to see how few characters of code you'd need to "shun" Mike 50 times. |
| 08:42.04 | peterS | Guerin: yeah but at its heart it was still a shell script. not a sed or awk script. that's the saving distinction |
| 08:42.08 | karsten | peterS: Output had to be 50 lines of "* shun *" |
| 08:42.11 | Guerin | peterS: right, exactly |
| 08:42.30 | karsten | erm, "*shun*". |
| 08:42.48 | karsten | Winner, by me (mostly): yes *shun* | sed 50q |
| 08:42.51 | peterS | anything that wants to turn into pure awk or sed, I decide to go for the path of least pain and switch to perl |
| 08:42.59 | peterS | karsten: nice |
| 08:43.15 | karsten | actually, lose the spaces around the pipe ;-) |
| 08:43.29 | peterS | of course |
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| 08:43.49 | peterS | head -50 is one extra char. good work. |
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| 08:44.22 | cydork | peterS: not if you add sed expression to that.. :P |
| 08:44.32 | peterS | cydork: to what? |
| 08:44.53 | peterS | cydork: to this? 'yes *shun*|head -50' no need, it already fits the requirement |
| 08:45.26 | vlt | Hello. Which pkg do I need to edit a postscript file (copy, move, delete, resize ... objects)? |
| 08:45.32 | Guerin | wtf does 'yes' do? |
| 08:45.46 | peterS | Guerin: try it (: it prints repeated 'y' (or string of your choice) until killed |
| 08:45.47 | Guerin | vlt: psutils? |
| 08:45.48 | cydork | peterS: ohh i thought you want add a pattern to it :) |
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| 08:46.11 | vlt | Guerin: T'll have a look ... |
| 08:46.15 | peterS | Guerin: yes | fsck .... for example is a nice way to get a noninteractive fsck |
| 08:46.16 | vlt | +/ |
| 08:46.22 | Guerin | nice |
| 08:46.49 | peterS | that's the sort of use it's really intended for - poor-man's automation for scripting |
| 08:47.37 | karsten | Guerin: yes supplies, by default, a string of 'y's |
| 08:47.44 | Guerin | karsten: so I see |
| 08:48.02 | karsten | Guerin: It's used to answer "yes" to a lot of interactive prompting programs, so: yes | annoying_program |
| 08:48.13 | Guerin | karsten: yes. |
| 08:48.36 | peterS | bzzt, the correct response was "karsten: y" |
| 08:48.47 | karsten | Guerin: But it'll spit out an endless stream of whatever argument you throw at it. So "yes *shun*" prints out "*shun*". 'sed 50q' prints 50 lines (default action) before quitting following 50th. |
| 08:48.47 | Guerin | too obvious |
| 08:49.13 | karsten | peterS: 1 is true and 0 is false, right? |
| 08:49.19 | vlt | Guerin: Mmh, psutils support page rearrangement and merging. But I need to edit single "objects" (if there are any in ps) ... Maybe a wysiwyg tool like inkscape (which doesn't work)? |
| 08:49.20 | peterS | 1 |
| 08:49.26 | karsten | bastard! |
| 08:49.37 | Guerin | vlt: why doesn't inkscape work? |
| 08:49.38 | peterS | I do love that one |
| 08:49.43 | karsten | :-) |
| 08:49.56 | vlt | Guerin: It fails to import the ps file. |
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| 08:50.08 | Guerin | i wonder if gimp does ps files |
| 08:50.12 | Guerin | i suppose not |
| 08:50.12 | karsten | peterS: There's something very zen about passing "yes" to fsck.... |
| 08:50.24 | karsten | Guerin: I think it does, actually. |
| 08:50.25 | evad | are you trying to print the ps file? |
| 08:50.35 | Guerin | evad: he's trying to edit it in a wysiwyg |
| 08:50.37 | vlt | Guerin: If it can import ps it woll convert it to raster image ... |
| 08:50.38 | evad | oh. |
| 08:50.45 | Guerin | evad: keep up |
| 08:50.48 | Guerin | vlt: sucks. |
| 08:50.49 | evad | :( |
| 08:50.53 | peterS | gimp doesn't import ps files as vector images. so even if it does edit them, it does so only by rasterizing them to a bitmap and possibly re-exporting the bitmap as a ps file. which, in general, loses lots of information and bloats the file enormously |
| 08:51.22 | cusco | dudes |
| 08:51.28 | cusco | anyone would know what this means? |
| 08:51.30 | cusco | rafb.net/paste/results/yvzBqy23.txt |
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| 08:51.38 | cusco | Im having DNS's troubles |
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| 08:51.39 | cusco | :( |
| 08:51.50 | vlt | peterS: Yes, i know. That's why I'm looking for a ps editor, evad: It doesn't have to be wysiwyg. |
| 08:52.00 | cusco | I suspect somehow something's wrong with my router :/ |
| 08:52.05 | peterS | cusco: probably means someone's firewalling ICMP packets, which is bad but common |
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| 08:52.17 | evad | Scribus then? |
| 08:52.24 | peterS | vlt: any text editor will do, if you know the postscript language. it is mostly text-based. |
| 08:52.28 | karsten | peterS: Well: you can feed gimp a PS file. It turns it into an image. So, for values of "editing" ... |
| 08:52.45 | Guerin | editing postscript by hand ... eew |
| 08:52.53 | karsten | peterS: ... so long as you haven't stumbled across an encapsulated graphics-image PS file. |
| 08:52.55 | peterS | karsten: yeah, well, that's almost on the level of the blonde who uses white-out on her monitor |
| 08:52.55 | blackwing | hi guys.. does anyone know the workaround to bootsplash problem "looking for picture...<6>...no good signature found" |
| 08:52.59 | karsten | Guerin: REally, it's not that bad. |
| 08:53.11 | karsten | Guerin: I know someone who did his resume that way (no, not me). |
| 08:53.14 | chemaja | wtf? the network interface to my broadband has a 169.254.0.0 address (says ifconfig), but i have active connections on my real external IP (ie. what eth0's inet addr should be). running etch. what gives? |
| 08:53.26 | peterS | karsten: me? |
| 08:53.52 | chemaja | hrm, /sbin/ip shows 2 ips for eth0 (the real, and the 169) ... maybe ifconfig is broken... |
| 08:53.54 | karsten | peterS: Well, if you do, then I guess I know two people who did that ;-) |
| 08:54.02 | vlt | peterS: Yesterday it took me 4 hors just to move the BBox to the lower left corner and crop the page size from a4 to a value I needed it to be. I don't even wanto to think of mangling single objects :( |
| 08:54.24 | chemaja | s/localhost/brokenhost ;) |
| 08:54.25 | Guerin | karsten: eep |
| 08:54.28 | karsten | vlt: Using a doc prep language frontend is generally preferred. |
| 08:54.30 | peterS | vlt: heh. well, things like changing dimensions is what psutils is supposed to be for. editing other things, maybe not so much. |
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| 08:57.22 | vlt | peterS: Can you tell me one tool from psutils that can do what I did yesterday with PHP scripts (resizing, moving BBox ...)? |
| 08:57.56 | peterS | vlt: you understand your "..." does not give me a lot of information to go on, I may have to make up answers as I go along |
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| 08:58.27 | peterS | psresize should change bounding boxes though |
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| 09:00.27 | peterS | hmmmmmm. in the 'fantasy' genre of popular fiction, does it ever happen that a character is set up as a prophet or seer and then something they foretell turns out to be hogwash? it would be nice, for a change, if the reader could not _absolutely_ rely on prophecy to turn out to be accurate. |
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| 09:00.58 | matholio | hi all. |
| 09:01.23 | Raging_Hog | debian proper seems nice. I just might install it to my work puter |
| 09:01.34 | matholio | I need to build some debian boxen at work, they'll be running Nagios, and not much else. |
| 09:01.37 | peterS | Raging_Hog: what can we say ... we like it |
| 09:02.04 | matholio | If I go with Etch RC1, what ahppend when Etch is released ? |
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| 09:02.23 | Raging_Hog | hmmm.. I should've known that debian support channel supports debian.... |
| 09:02.29 | peterS | matholio: most likely you can just upgrade to the released etch later |
| 09:02.54 | matholio | peterS, painless upgrade ? |
| 09:02.59 | peterS | matholio: since it _isn't_ released yet, there could still be bugs which will prevent a smooth migration to the released version. but probably it will be fine. |
| 09:03.32 | peterS | matholio: most debian upgrades, even to the unstable branch, are painless. we try to make sure all upgrades to _releases_ are painless. but we can't guarantee it when you start with something that isn't released |
| 09:04.16 | matholio | Sure, and that's reasonable. |
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| 09:04.49 | liable | apart from udev, theres very little thats a real bastard to fix if it fails |
| 09:05.02 | matholio | I guess I really asking would I be better waiting and upgrading from Sarge, or go for Etch now and upgrade later. Some of what I want doesn;t work on Sarge, but does on Etch. |
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| 09:05.09 | liable | even udev is ok if you have acces to the box |
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| 09:05.38 | liable | (for a personal box, not a server) |
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| 09:06.25 | peterS | matholio: personally I'd go for etch now. but that is with the assurance that I know exactly what I'm doing and I can fix anything that breaks. you might be less confident. depends on how important it is to provide uninterrupted service on that box in case anything does go wrong. |
| 09:07.17 | peterS | matholio: for example, apache2 breaks for some people right now, because the 2.0 -> 2.2 migration isn't trivial to automate. (we're working on that still.) if you use apache2 now, upgrading to etch now might break your config until you can figure out how to fix it. |
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| 09:08.06 | peterS | matholio: in fact, I'd say apache2 is the biggest problem with etch upgrades at the moment. if you aren't running apache2, or aren't doing anything interesting with it, you will most likely be fine. |
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| 09:08.22 | sobersabre | hi NIS question. |
| 09:09.34 | sobersabre | I have 2 NIS servers up. One is master, the other - slave. If I specify ypserver <hostname> on the client, it will use the specify server. |
| 09:09.46 | sobersabre | (in yp.conf) |
| 09:10.02 | sobersabre | what will happen if I specify domain <NIS domain name>? |
| 09:10.17 | sobersabre | how will the client decide which server to bind to ? |
| 09:10.34 | Guerin | peterS: ok, if you're so good at text manipulation: i need 1:22:16 added to strings like 01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:44,860 |
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| 09:10.59 | Guerin | peterS: so the 01:21:43,060 should become 2:43:59,060 |
| 09:11.21 | Guerin | and since there are some 800 instances, I don't really want to do the maths myself ;) |
| 09:11.35 | peterS | Guerin: so you have hh:mm:ss and you want to add hours, minutes and seconds to it? |
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| 09:11.51 | peterS | well, hh:mm:ss,xxx where xxx needs to be preserved, I guess |
| 09:11.53 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, hh:mm:ss,xxx |
| 09:11.56 | Guerin | right |
| 09:12.32 | Guerin | i wonder if some perl time lib can do it easy, or if it's necessary to write something in base 60 |
| 09:13.08 | peterS | Guerin: perl should do it easily - split, convert to seconds, do the math, convert back to h:m:s, slap the xxx back on |
| 09:13.47 | Guerin | mm, right |
| 09:14.01 | peterS | so hold on...... |
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| 09:15.47 | peterS | perl -lne 'BEGIN { $sadd = 1*3600 + 22*60 + 16 } chomp; my ($h,$m,$s,$x) = split(":"); ($s,$x) = split(",", $s); $s += 60*$m + 3600*$h; $s += $sadd; $h=int($s/3600); $s -= $h*3600; $m=int($s/60); $s -= $m*60; printf "%d:%02d:%02d:%s", $h, $m, $s, $x' |
| 09:15.51 | peterS | untested |
| 09:15.59 | liable | oh my god |
| 09:16.02 | peterS | takes lines on standard input |
| 09:16.16 | peterS | uh, the last printf should have a , in place of the last : |
| 09:18.14 | peterS | uh, and also put a \n on the end, I forgot that perl -l does not touch printf, only print |
| 09:18.42 | peterS | perl -ne 'BEGIN { $sadd = 1*3600 + 22*60 + 16 } chomp; my ($h,$m,$s,$x) = split(":"); ($s,$x) = split(",", $s); $s += 60*$m + 3600*$h; $s += $sadd; $h=int($s/3600); $s -= $h*3600; $m=int($s/60); $s -= $m*60; printf "%d:%02d:%02d,%s\n", $h, $m, $s, $x' |
| 09:19.07 | dondelelcaro | you're better off using perl -MPOSIX=strftime -e 'print strftime(q(%h%m%s),localtime)' or wahtever you want |
| 09:19.37 | peterS | well, but it isn't localtime, it's what is input |
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| 09:20.02 | dondelelcaro | sorry, was confused by the $h, $m, $s, and didn't read back far enough... |
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| 09:20.08 | jariep1_ | hi all |
| 09:20.09 | dondelelcaro | in that case, you want to use Date::Calc |
| 09:20.11 | peterS | converting to a timespec that can be used in strftime doesn't seem worthwhile |
| 09:20.14 | blackwing | hi guys.. does anyone know the workaround to bootsplash problem "looking for picture...<6>...no good signature found" |
| 09:20.26 | jariep1_ | how do I use ifup to initiate an ethernet connection manually? |
| 09:20.40 | peterS | though I _do_ note that I didn't handle 29:59:59 -> 0:00:00 wraparound |
| 09:20.58 | peterS | in case this is a clock rather than just a timer |
| 09:21.01 | liable | jariep1_: ifup foo (though the iface needs to be in /etc/interfaces) |
| 09:21.11 | peterS | /etc/network/interfaces ITYM |
| 09:21.17 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 09:21.25 | liable | doh |
| 09:21.58 | liable | jariep1_: see what peterS said, i missed a directory |
| 09:21.59 | peterS | well, where ITYM really means IKYM |
| 09:22.06 | liable | :) |
| 09:22.11 | Guerin | peterS: it's two separate subtitle files which can ideally be joined into one |
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| 09:22.35 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 09:22.37 | peterS | Guerin: hh:mm:ss should _not_ wrap around after 23 hours, right? i.e., it's not an absolute time of day |
| 09:22.39 | jariep1_ | hi Guerin |
| 09:22.56 | Guerin | peterS: right |
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| 09:23.04 | jariep1_ | ok it is eth0 |
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| 09:23.15 | jariep1_ | so how would I form a command with ifup? |
| 09:23.19 | Guerin | it's a film timecode |
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| 09:23.40 | peterS | Guerin: the second version of the perl one-liner seems to work fine then. though if the hh needs to be exactly 2 digits, it should use %02d rather than %d. |
| 09:23.46 | liable | jariep1_: zcat /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 09:24.51 | liable | s/zcat/zless/whatever .gz browser you like/ |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin | heh, would you believe there's a libsubtitles-perl? |
| 09:25.28 | peterS | hehe |
| 09:25.29 | peterS | nice |
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| 09:26.39 | peterS | hmmm, hard-boiled eggs are a bit addictive. I shouldn't boil 12 at once and store them in the fridge, as I'm likely to eat more than I should at any given time |
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| 09:26.45 | liable | time for an afternoon nap |
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| 09:27.05 | Guerin | liable: i calculate it being the middle of the night |
| 09:27.25 | madman215 | is there a way to make dpkg take care of dependancies |
| 09:27.45 | cast | madman215: eh, yeah...use aptitude? |
| 09:28.19 | peterS | madman215: it does take care of dependencies. it refuses to configure packages whose dependencies are not met. 'aptitude -f install' will generally rectify this situation. |
| 09:28.23 | liable | Guerin: its 1730 here, and, as i am wont to do when i am not working, started boozing at lunch, so a pre dinnah nap is in order |
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| 09:29.05 | Guerin | liable: oh, you guys are behind us, not ahead |
| 09:29.13 | peterS | hehe |
| 09:29.23 | Guerin | liable: have you moved out to WA then? |
| 09:29.24 | liable | Guerin: i am +8 GMT now |
| 09:29.27 | liable | yes |
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| 09:29.31 | Guerin | i see. |
| 09:29.34 | Guerin | how is it? |
| 09:29.41 | Phated | WHERE? :O |
| 09:29.44 | liable | dry and confusing :) |
| 09:29.49 | Guerin | Phated: the red place |
| 09:29.52 | Phated | :O |
| 09:30.06 | peterS | there's a red place? they didn't tell me there was a red place |
| 09:30.10 | cast | hmm, UTC+0930 here, where are you liable? |
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| 09:30.52 | liable | cast: scroll up |
| 09:30.53 | Guerin | peterS: it's too red |
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| 09:31.13 | Guerin | 0930 sounds like it's someplace in indonesia |
| 09:31.27 | cast | nah, CST -> some of australia |
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| 09:31.41 | peterS | not too many :30 timezones in the world, shouldn't be all that hard to pinpoint (: |
| 09:31.45 | liable | thats nsw/victoria time |
| 09:31.51 | cast | having a +.3h offset is slightly annoying, like my gps doesn't support it |
| 09:31.58 | cast | s/3/5 |
| 09:32.07 | yongshunz | asd as dasd |
| 09:32.12 | peterS | cast: so your GPS wouldn't work in India either. (+0530) |
| 09:32.15 | Guerin | oh, there I go, confusing my elf again |
| 09:32.27 | cast | aye. if we define 'work' as telling the correct local time |
| 09:32.29 | amphi | cast: or .np (+0545) ;) |
| 09:32.46 | peterS | oh right, nepal is even worse (: |
| 09:33.07 | cast | wow, didn't know there was a 45 offset |
| 09:33.16 | peterS | not very many places in the world |
| 09:33.25 | Guerin | that's stupid |
| 09:33.35 | Guerin | just round it off to the hour, goddamnit |
| 09:33.43 | Guerin | mind you, not as stupid as china |
| 09:33.47 | sep | UTC damit ! |
| 09:33.55 | Guerin | which has one (1) timezones |
| 09:34.00 | Guerin | beijing time |
| 09:34.02 | amphi | Guerin: it is indeed |
| 09:34.07 | cast | aye. i'm all for integer offsets. i think i could live with UTC too, |
| 09:34.30 | Guerin | go to Urumqi and people get up date dawn - around 10am in summer |
| 09:34.36 | Guerin | midday in winter |
| 09:34.44 | Guerin | bah, s/date/at/ |
| 09:35.24 | amphi | Guerin: yeah, even in central Tibet it was pretty bad |
| 09:35.36 | Guerin | amphi: right, that's about as far west |
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| 09:35.58 | peterS | better than the days when everyone set their clocks to local sun time |
| 09:36.15 | amphi | Guerin: oh, you said Urumqi, but I understood Kashgar for some reason ;) |
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| 09:36.38 | peterS | amphi: the names sound so much alike |
| 09:36.44 | amphi | peterS: ;) |
| 09:37.01 | Guerin | amphi: same diff |
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| 09:37.09 | Guerin | amphi: only a few hundred miles apart |
| 09:37.44 | brownie17 | i need a hand, i've taken my graphics card out of my agp slot to try out my onboard cARD, and now when i startup Xserver won't start. what is the command to reconfiugrure xserver ofxfree86 or whatever?? |
| 09:38.15 | cast | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86-core, or something |
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| 09:38.21 | amphi | Guerin: it's been a while since I was 'near' such places, I become somewhat vague about their positions |
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| 09:38.30 | peterS | brownie17: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:38.40 | brownie17 | cast, can i do that from the command line before GDM is started? because i can't styart GDM |
| 09:38.53 | peterS | brownie17: run it as root |
| 09:38.55 | cast | sure can. dirty x, you don't need it! |
| 09:39.03 | Guerin | amphi: i really wanted to head out west in China |
| 09:39.11 | Guerin | amphi: ended up stuck along the east coast |
| 09:39.21 | Guerin | we were going back, but ... gravity pwned me |
| 09:39.28 | Guerin | not OUR gravity |
| 09:39.29 | peterS | Guerin: is transportation from E to W china not trivial to arrange? |
| 09:39.34 | Guerin | Newton's |
| 09:39.35 | brownie17 | cast, i don't?? hm.. one day i'llask how to run without it, but right now i just want the quickest easiest fix :S |
| 09:39.43 | peterS | ahh, I see, you were just taking a side trip before returning to china |
| 09:39.46 | Guerin | peterS: not trivial, but not that hard, just takes days and days |
| 09:39.54 | Guerin | unless you fly, which was against our creed |
| 09:39.57 | peterS | right |
| 09:40.43 | Guerin | peterS: fastest is from shanghai, I think - 36 hours to xian, then 20 hours to urumqi |
| 09:40.52 | Guerin | maybe beijing would be faster, though |
| 09:41.02 | peterS | talking by rail? |
| 09:41.06 | Guerin | peterS: yeah |
| 09:41.12 | cast | now to work out this gpg smartcard trickery |
| 09:41.16 | Guerin | the whole trip would only cost ~$50 though |
| 09:41.25 | peterS | 36 hours on a train doesn't sound all that long. of course, you might want to stop along the way to experience more stuff |
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| 09:41.30 | brownie17 | cast, do you think the cmmand you gaVE ME WILL help with my problem? |
| 09:41.32 | amphi | Guerin: I went to Tibet from .np, so it was just a hop north (and then some); only got as far north as Nam-Tso |
| 09:41.36 | brownie17 | cast, sorry about partial caps |
| 09:42.11 | amphi | Guerin: the new rail line across Chang Tang from Golmö to Lhasa would be something |
| 09:42.26 | peterS | brownie17: maybe if you had been paying attention you would have seen that I gave an answer that would work. but don't mind me. |
| 09:42.31 | cast | brownie17: i do. or what peterS suggested, should be ~the same |
| 09:42.49 | Guerin | amphi: we were in Laos, going to head back to china, then out west, through the southwest and into tibet, nepal, india, pakistan, afghanistan, *stan, azerbaijan, turkey, europe |
| 09:43.01 | Guerin | but I had to go and crash my motorbike |
| 09:43.12 | Guerin | amphi: fuck yeah, that'd be awesme |
| 09:43.17 | chemaja | cast, re. "dirty x" -- i don't need it... except for web browsing. all textmode browsers i've tried suck |
| 09:44.14 | peterS | chemaja: you've tried elinks, then? it does a lot of things but sucking is rarely one of them |
| 09:44.16 | amphi | Guerin: I met people in Lhasa in the winter who had come in the open back of trucks from Golmö, there are IIRC 4 passes over 5000m... I was amazed they had all their digits, noses, etc. |
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| 09:44.32 | cast | chemaja: oh. i like w3m, but yeah. web seems made with x in mind imo |
| 09:44.45 | peterS | chemaja: once you figure out the keybindings for tabbed browsing in elinks and stuff like that ... it only fails when a site requires graphics to be navigable |
| 09:44.48 | brownie17 | cast, it seems to be working so far now, thanks alotr' |
| 09:44.54 | amphi | Guerin: all of that bit of Chang Tang is above 4000m in any case, AFAIK |
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| 09:44.58 | cast | chemaja: the best irc client, text editor, cd burning, file managing, etc...are all console apps :) |
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| 09:45.38 | Esaj | how do I get a log of the last packages that were upgraded using apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:46.01 | cast | Esaj: go look in /var/log/aptitud...oh, does apt-get log? |
| 09:46.08 | cydork | Esaj: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 09:46.19 | cydork | Esaj: if etch check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 09:46.33 | Esaj | sarge |
| 09:46.44 | chemaja | cast, w3m -- how the HELL do you close the "dialog" windows? |
| 09:46.46 | cydork | Esaj: no log then .. |
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| 09:47.23 | chemaja | peterS, yea i've tried it. i guess i just get shitty at my non-framebuffered console more than anything ;$ |
| 09:47.26 | raciso | hi someone can help mee.. i got a port 32768 opened which i dont know what is it |
| 09:47.29 | cast | chemaja: tbh i've never gotten one, |
| 09:47.35 | raciso | i want to close it but i dont know how.. someone can help me out quick |
| 09:47.39 | Esaj | cydork: oh, maybe it's etch after all, there's stuff in /var/log/dpkg.log... |
| 09:47.44 | chemaja | cast, ie. when you go to the prefs window |
| 09:47.44 | Esaj | thanks :) |
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| 09:48.05 | amphi | raciso: netstat -plunt | grep 32768 to see what it is |
| 09:48.06 | bruddah | whats it mean by the following packages could not be uathenticated? |
| 09:48.28 | tarzeau | heh http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 09:48.39 | liable | means you been h4x0r3d |
| 09:48.47 | Esaj | ok, how do I revert to an older version of a package, e.g. php5-cgi 5.1.6-5? |
| 09:48.50 | cydork | tarzeau: 159 ! yay |
| 09:48.54 | Guerin | amphi: fuck yeah |
| 09:48.56 | tarzeau | bruddah: you're missing the key? try reading the /topic ? |
| 09:49.05 | tarzeau | cydork: look at the curve... |
| 09:49.09 | raciso | amphi: it say: 1890/rpc.statd |
| 09:49.13 | Guerin | amphi: it was painfully cold up in Dandong in February, and that's at sea level |
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| 09:49.13 | raciso | can u tell me what is tat O_O |
| 09:49.13 | tarzeau | cydork: it's not likely to be released in 3 days |
| 09:49.17 | bruddah | tarzeau: ok thnx |
| 09:49.28 | cydork | tarzeau: am looking at it :) |
| 09:49.29 | raciso | amphi: 1890/rpc.statd |
| 09:49.33 | tarzeau | cydork: did i tell you how great GNUstep is? i'm writing some nice visualizing tool |
| 09:49.48 | cydork | tarzeau: heh screenshots? |
| 09:50.03 | liable | raciso: remove nfs shits if you dont use it |
| 09:50.24 | tarzeau | cydork: www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/tinylines.m and Makefile, run make, run ./tinylines |
| 09:50.39 | raciso | wat is nfs does exactly? |
| 09:50.51 | tarzeau | cydork: it's just random bars, but they'll represent a character histogram of files |
| 09:50.54 | cast | raciso: think windows file sharing only not shitty |
| 09:51.10 | tarzeau | !nfs |
| 09:51.10 | dpkg | i heard nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 09:51.15 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok.. let me check |
| 09:51.16 | peterS | raciso: if you don't know, you should remove the 'nfs-common' package from your system |
| 09:51.19 | cast | is nfsv4 usable in a usable state in etch? |
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| 09:51.25 | cast | -usable |
| 09:51.33 | solar_ant | hey all !!! |
| 09:51.38 | solar_ant | when i try apt-get install libwmf0.2-7 |
| 09:51.42 | peterS | cast: I think it's supposed to be. I haven't tried it. steinar gunderson seems to care a lot about making sure it's useful though |
| 09:52.01 | solar_ant | it is saying 190 packages will be removed |
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| 09:52.23 | tarzeau | solar_ant: try adding some names of the packages that want to get removed to the install command |
| 09:53.15 | raciso | is it dangerous to remove portmap? |
| 09:53.27 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: which distro are you using? |
| 09:53.27 | raciso | it seem to open a port 111 uselessly |
| 09:53.27 | peterS | raciso: if nothing declares a dependency on it, you should be able to remove it |
| 09:53.29 | amphi | raciso: not if you don't use nfs |
| 09:53.37 | bruddah | tarzeau: i have the keyring package and the 2006 key (suggested thigns from dpkg) but im still getting this error: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 09:53.43 | raciso | ok thx |
| 09:53.46 | bruddah | s/thigns/things/ |
| 09:53.47 | cast | amphi: something in gnome wants portmap...i think |
| 09:54.00 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: if it's sarge, are you using the security repositories? |
| 09:54.15 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: its debian |
| 09:54.25 | solar_ant | etch |
| 09:54.29 | peterS | yeah, gnome nautilus (I think) uses famd, which uses ONC RPC and thus requires portmap. |
| 09:54.40 | cydork | bruddah: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 09:54.41 | kjoonlee | Is etch testing? |
| 09:54.45 | peterS | yes |
| 09:54.49 | Bloodyx | any debian guru around? :d |
| 09:54.53 | solar_ant | tarzeau: ? |
| 09:55.06 | cast | Bloodyx: nah, got any windows questions? |
| 09:55.07 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: yes etch testing |
| 09:55.16 | peterS | kjoonlee: n00b |
| 09:55.22 | kjoonlee | lol |
| 09:55.26 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.27 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.28 | cydork | tarzeau: i guess i am missing something ./tinylines: Uncaught exception NSInternalInconsistencyException, |
| 09:55.38 | Bloodyx | cast: lol |
| 09:55.50 | bruddah | cydork: debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 09:55.53 | Bloodyx | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10452 |
| 09:56.07 | peterS | bruddah: yeah, some mirrors seem to be out of date on that package. I do not know why. |
| 09:56.20 | solar_ant | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.29 | bruddah | peterS: you know an up to date one? :) |
| 09:56.38 | kjoonlee | peterS: I've been using unstable since when potato was released, actually :) |
| 09:56.41 | peterS | bruddah: I think ftp.de.debian.org is |
| 09:56.44 | solar_ant | so i guess i should download fromunstable libwmf0-2.7 greaer than 0.2.8.4.2 ??? |
| 09:56.50 | bruddah | peterS: thnx |
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| 09:57.03 | Phated | solar_ant: That's a less-than sign, not greater. |
| 09:57.13 | tarzeau | cydork: do you have GNUstep? |
| 09:57.20 | peterS | kjoonlee: hmmm, so I guess I'm only about 3 releases back from you |
| 09:57.24 | tarzeau | solar_ant: that wasn't for you |
| 09:57.29 | solar_ant | Phated: < sign conflictc so i need greater than |
| 09:57.33 | vlt | peterS: I tried `psresize -w9.1cm -h6.1cm infile outfile` but outfile's size keeps a4. What's wrong here? |
| 09:57.46 | tarzeau | cydork: strange, works here on sarge and sid |
| 09:58.02 | amphi | cast: ah, gnome ;) |
| 09:58.14 | peterS | vlt: perhaps it is only changing the clipping rather than the papersize, or vice versa |
| 09:58.19 | cydork | tarzeau: etch here.. and i did install hell lot of libs to make it compile.. |
| 09:58.19 | Bloodyx | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10452 any one?!?!?!?!?!!? |
| 09:58.23 | Phated | solar_ant: No, that message translates to conflicts: "libwmf0.2-7 needs to be less than this version, but we're about to install this version". |
| 09:58.23 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: have you tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade for the rest of your packages? |
| 09:58.30 | tarzeau | cydork: hehe :) |
| 09:58.36 | Bloodyx | i'm sick of it been trying more than 5 hours now |
| 09:58.55 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: i have done aptget dist upgade |
| 09:58.58 | vlt | peterS: So what is it good for? |
| 09:59.10 | tarzeau | Bloodyx: does your dns work? is it right in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 09:59.11 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: i am only my cd as repos , its last weeks's update |
| 09:59.12 | peterS | Bloodyx: please actually ask a question rather than pointing us to a random link. why should we bother to follow the link if we have no clue what it is going to be about and whether we're likely to be (a) interested and (b) competent to help you? |
| 09:59.19 | tarzeau | Bloodyx: try ngrep or tcpdump port 53 ? |
| 09:59.34 | vlt | peterS: What's the right cmd/syntax to change the pagesize? |
| 09:59.34 | tarzeau | peterS: and how can we sure he really has debian? |
| 09:59.37 | peterS | vlt: hmmm, do you want me to read the manpage for you or can you do that yourself? |
| 09:59.54 | Bloodyx | peterS, that link got the whole question and it's not random link it's debian forum :s |
| 10:00.03 | peterS | vlt: if I read it to you I'll have to arrange to do it somewhere other than here, so I don't flood the channel |
| 10:00.13 | Bloodyx | tarzeau: will do that in a second |
| 10:00.16 | vlt | peterS: No, sorry, you suggested psutils, so I thought you know about it. |
| 10:00.18 | amphi | Bloodyx: it's bad form to post urls without any hint as to what they are about... |
| 10:00.37 | peterS | Bloodyx: even so, it is not useful to just post a link and expect people to follow it with no information. the very least you can do is describe your question and _then_ post a link to give us more information. |
| 10:01.01 | Bloodyx | amphi: it's long issue so i thought it would be better if i link it rather than post and get kicked for flooding :p |
| 10:01.15 | peterS | Bloodyx: as it is, you expect _us_ to bother to paste the link into a browser window when we have no clue whether the question is likely to be one we care about or know anything about. that is just rude. |
| 10:01.23 | amphi | Bloodyx: wtf? you can't state briefly what is the issue? |
| 10:01.45 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393234 |
| 10:01.46 | Phated | Bloodyx: http://google.com/ # that's the url for google.com <-- how is that a "post"? |
| 10:01.56 | peterS | Bloodyx: if you can't tell me what it's about before I follow the link, I won't follow the link. it's as simple as that. you don't have to paste 10 lines just to tell me what a link is going to be about. |
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| 10:02.16 | Phated | Comments - they're not just for code anymore. |
| 10:02.21 | Bloodyx | peterS, my dedicated server ain't resolving any hostname |
| 10:02.23 | solars | how can I open a terminal with an app (-e) so that it doesn't get clsoed if I end the app ? |
| 10:02.25 | Bloodyx | can ping ip |
| 10:02.32 | Bloodyx | not hostnames |
| 10:02.35 | Phated | check your dns server. |
| 10:02.39 | Bloodyx | i did |
| 10:02.42 | Bloodyx | read the post |
| 10:02.43 | bruddah | peterS: still saying its the up to date one :( |
| 10:02.49 | Phated | Eurgh, actually, no thanks. |
| 10:02.54 | Bloodyx | all information you might ask for is posted there |
| 10:03.03 | peterS | solars: some terminal emulators have a setting for this, and/or a command-line flag. I'm not sure if they all do, though. |
| 10:03.04 | Phated | Meh. ECBA. |
| 10:03.13 | amphi | solars: xterm -hold -e foo IIRC |
| 10:03.29 | solars | peterS, thanks |
| 10:03.35 | solars | amphi, thank you too :) |
| 10:03.41 | peterS | solars: amphi gave the more useful answer (: |
| 10:04.01 | solars | heheh :) |
| 10:04.10 | solars | and urxvt has a -hold option too :) great |
| 10:04.44 | amphi | Phated: ECBA? |
| 10:04.52 | Phated | ECBA. |
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| 10:05.10 | peterS | Bloodyx: much better - telling us that it's a DNS config problem on your server is a lot better. I still don't know that I care to debug that sort of thing right now, but that's not your fault.... |
| 10:05.21 | amphi | Phated: would you care to expand? ;) |
| 10:05.37 | Phated | E for errorcodetypething, CBA. |
| 10:05.37 | solars | amphi, hm but if I use hold, I have no shell in that window |
| 10:05.39 | Phated | !cba |
| 10:05.39 | dpkg | can't be arsed |
| 10:05.56 | solars | ah got it |
| 10:06.02 | solars | -hold -e "foo;zsh" |
| 10:06.05 | amphi | Phated: ah, thanks |
| 10:06.19 | bruddah | im just gonna install without authentication. f this ;) |
| 10:06.38 | peterS | solars: putting an actual shell command as a single argument to -e is not portable between xterm variants, I think. it might work in yours. |
| 10:07.02 | solars | peterS, hm it works with xterm, but doesn't work in urxvt :( |
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| 10:07.20 | Bloodyx | peterS, i actully couldn't tell what exactly it is as im not sure if it is DNS problem or network problem |
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| 10:07.33 | peterS | solars: right ... I guess rxvt wants a command and list of arguments, and it doesn't use the shell but calls exec() directly |
| 10:07.38 | Bloodyx | seems i sat every thing as it should but still nothing made it work |
| 10:07.55 | Bloodyx | worse of all that it was working 2 days ago, and stoped yestrday |
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| 10:08.34 | solars | peterS, exactly... but how to get a shell :/ |
| 10:08.37 | peterS | Bloodyx: if something worked 2 days ago and stopped yesterday, and you didn't do anything to the machine yesterday, you have to start looking at external influences (i.e., your ISP or your DHCP server or whatever) |
| 10:09.04 | peterS | solars: you didn't say originally that it was a shell you wanted. in that case drop the -hold and use -e sh -c 'foo; zsh' |
| 10:09.09 | cast | is there some special way i'm supposed to add files to /dev/udev/rules.d? howto is saying `ln -s /etc/udev/gnupg-ccid.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/gnupg-ccid.rules` but that doesn't match the naming convention of everything inside rules.d |
| 10:09.11 | blahdeblah_ | Hi all. If i want to share my home dir and other files between Debian boxes, which would be the preferred protocol? NFS, CIFS, OpenAFS, OCFS2, GFS, something else? |
| 10:09.27 | blondie | NFS |
| 10:09.35 | solars | peterS, yeah sorry my mistake, one sec |
| 10:09.46 | solar_ant | thanks kjoonlee :) |
| 10:09.48 | blondie | blahdeblah_: depending on how secure the network is |
| 10:09.52 | Bloodyx | peterS, thanks i will try to contact my server hoster and see if they can fix it up |
| 10:09.56 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: did it help? |
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| 10:10.18 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: I was worried because I later noticed it was a bug about gtk 2.10, and that's in unstable, not testing |
| 10:10.19 | bruddah | anyone know the source for firefox2? |
| 10:10.22 | solars | peterS, that works :) thanks a lot |
| 10:10.28 | peterS | Bloodyx: yeah, I dunno, but the point is, systems don't tend to spontaneously break, it's because someone changed something. if it wasn't you, it musta been someone else. |
| 10:10.29 | blahdeblah_ | blondie: My SOHO LAN with dual firewalls. :-) |
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| 10:10.47 | blahdeblah_ | blondie: Is there any particular reason you'd choose NFS over, say, OCFS2? |
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| 10:11.01 | blondie | i've never heard of the latter :P |
| 10:11.01 | Lord_Wind | hi all |
| 10:11.06 | kjoonlee | bruddah: iceweasel is now in unstable |
| 10:11.09 | Bloodyx | peterS, yeah i think so :D |
| 10:11.09 | blahdeblah_ | good reason. :-) |
| 10:11.09 | peterS | familiarity would be the big reason |
| 10:11.26 | peterS | very few people around here have used ocfs2 or gfs or coda or afs |
| 10:11.44 | Lord_Wind | can you recmmend to me torrent tracker program for server |
| 10:11.44 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: i dont know what to do iwith it though |
| 10:11.45 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: any suggestions on where i might go to find people who have? :-D |
| 10:11.59 | Lord_Wind | I want to create my own torrent server |
| 10:12.04 | blondie | NFS works just fine |
| 10:12.11 | peterS | blahdeblah_: good question. I haven't. I mean I used Andrew way back in the day but only as a user, not as an admin, and obviously not in Linux |
| 10:12.16 | cast | blahdeblah_: NFS i vote, if the networks insecure then i'd use OpenVPN with NFS :) |
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| 10:12.40 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: ligtk version 2.8.20-3 |
| 10:12.51 | cast | NFS is just so trivially easy to get go. its remarkable |
| 10:12.52 | Lord_Wind | I found Torrent Trade, but it works with php4.3 |
| 10:12.59 | Lord_Wind | I have php5 |
| 10:13.03 | amphi | sshfs... |
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| 10:13.40 | blahdeblah_ | cast: NFSv4, or v3? |
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| 10:14.11 | peterS | yeah nfsv4 with kerberos doesn't sound 'trivially easy' if you count having to set up the KDC..... |
| 10:14.12 | cast | v3, never used v4. hope to though..maybe i should play with that tonight |
| 10:14.25 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: 2.8.20-3 is in both testing and unstable |
| 10:14.40 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: ... and learn Kerberos, if you're me. :-) |
| 10:14.44 | peterS | right |
| 10:14.53 | peterS | that would make setting up the KDC even less trivial (: |
| 10:14.57 | blahdeblah_ | :-) |
| 10:15.22 | peterS | not that nfsv4 _requires_ kerberos, but that's one of its big advantages over nfsv3, real authentication/security |
| 10:15.38 | blahdeblah_ | I've set up OCFS2 at work on SUSE and it was surprisingly easy - just wondered whether it was as well-integrated on Debian. |
| 10:16.32 | bruddah | kjoonlee: is that firefox2's project name? |
| 10:16.58 | kjoonlee | solar_ant: I'm afraid I'm not sure about the problem.. |
| 10:17.11 | kjoonlee | bruddah: That's Debian's new name for the fork |
| 10:17.25 | solar_ant | kjoonlee: both the packages in conflict are having same versions in testing and unstable |
| 10:17.34 | solar_ant | hmm i was just trtying to get beagle work |
| 10:17.52 | kjoonlee | Oh |
| 10:18.09 | bruddah | kjoonlee: gotcha, thnx whats unstable now? sid? |
| 10:18.44 | sep | bruddah, sid is allways unstable |
| 10:18.46 | sep | !sid |
| 10:18.47 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 10:18.58 | kjoonlee | bruddah: unstable has always been sid :) |
| 10:19.09 | peterS | uh, for some definitions of 'always' |
| 10:19.14 | kjoonlee | :) |
| 10:19.23 | kjoonlee | yeah, before testing |
| 10:19.29 | solars | peterS, ok one more step, same as above, but start a screen, and inside that screen start a command in the terminal hehe, like urxvt -e screen foo;zsh how do I do that ? |
| 10:19.30 | bruddah | kjoonlee: what about the old skool names for deb then? like potato? |
| 10:19.33 | peterS | unstable was not named sid until ... probably the slink release or so |
| 10:20.17 | kjoonlee | peterS: it would be around the potato/woody releases IIRC, because that's when I started.. |
| 10:20.24 | peterS | solars: that is where you get to RTFM for screen. because either you do or I have to in order to read it to you. because I don't already know - I don't use screen in that way |
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| 10:20.40 | solars | peterS, alright, thank you |
| 10:20.52 | peterS | kjoonlee: package pools and testing happened before potato, didn't they? |
| 10:21.14 | kjoonlee | peterS: I don't know about pools, but testing happened after potato, IIRC |
| 10:21.23 | kjoonlee | but I could be wrong, |
| 10:21.26 | solar_ant | hot to see the changelog of gtk |
| 10:21.43 | peterS | I thought testing happened between slink and potato. but I could be wrong too. |
| 10:22.15 | bruddah | whats the difference between putting "sid" and "unstable" in your sources.list? |
| 10:22.20 | peterS | nothing |
| 10:22.30 | peterS | they're equally unsafe (: |
| 10:22.44 | sep | the new "Testing" distribution used for the first time to get woody ready for release, were activated on ftp-master in mid December 2000 |
| 10:22.44 | solar_ant | i just googled and fouund :) |
| 10:23.00 | kjoonlee | according to Wikipedia, it happened in late 2000; potato was released in August 2000. |
| 10:23.03 | sep | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ for those that care |
| 10:23.18 | peterS | potato was that long ago? time flies |
| 10:23.27 | kjoonlee | It sure does.. |
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| 10:23.56 | sep | peterS, and still no need to reinstall. damn i love this distro :) |
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| 10:24.06 | peterS | I do remember that potato->woody was like 3 years, so I should have been able to figure out the approximate release date of potato |
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| 10:24.29 | E-bola | Can anybody help me with debians way of configuring exim? |
| 10:24.38 | E-bola | i see a CHECK_RCPT_IP_DNSBLS in exim.conf.template |
| 10:24.46 | E-bola | but it doesnt seem to be defined anywhere? |
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| 10:27.03 | bruddah | oh so even firefox1.x is called iceweasel? |
| 10:27.59 | kjoonlee | http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 10:28.01 | kjoonlee | not yet |
| 10:29.30 | kjoonlee | bruddah: but I hear etch will ship with Iceweasel |
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| 10:30.13 | bruddah | kjoonlee: yay! btw, how do you set up deb to only get certain packages from certain releases? like only get iceweasel from sid server? :) |
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| 10:30.57 | ericpersson | oh... 666 people in here.. |
| 10:31.18 | kjoonlee | bruddah: pinning? http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 10:31.28 | bruddah | kjoonlee: thank you :) |
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| 10:33.17 | kjoonlee | (I should have said "Sid has always been unstable" instead of vice versa.) |
| 10:33.24 | ericpersson | I'm trying to create a lvmvolume on 2 mirrored disks with software raid, but am having problems with it. I'v added a lvm physical volumn on the md0, but when selecting |
| 10:33.47 | ericpersson | ...modify volumne groups, it says there arent any physical volumes defined.. |
| 10:33.51 | ericpersson | any ideas? |
| 10:34.00 | peterS | kjoonlee: that's not true either. sid existed before testing, it meant something different then. |
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| 10:34.08 | RvGaTe | Im in search for a application to create diagrams with, i need to create a user interface diagram, and the program should be workable on both linux and windows... any idea's? |
| 10:34.15 | petemc | ericpersson: i use lvm on software raid, works fine. Double check how you created your pvs |
| 10:34.20 | kjoonlee | peterS: I feel so much like a newbie now ;) |
| 10:34.27 | peterS | kjoonlee: back then sid was used for non-released architectures, such as hurd-i386 (still unreleased!) |
| 10:34.45 | ericpersson | petemc: yeah, I do it to on another machine, but i cant seem to get it right on this one in the installer.. |
| 10:34.56 | peterS | kjoonlee: in a sense, yes, it was unstable, but that doesn't mean it was the same as unstable |
| 10:35.22 | kjoonlee | Yeah.. sid's pretty stable, IMHO. :) |
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| 10:35.48 | peterS | kjoonlee: I mean, architectures in sid did track unstable, so you _could_ say that it was unstable ... but in an unofficial sort of way. |
| 10:35.53 | ericpersson | petemc: the lvm physical disk i created on the md0, is that considered a volumegroup? |
| 10:36.19 | peterS | ericpersson: only after you create a volume group using that PV. 'vgcreate foo /dev/md0' |
| 10:36.43 | ericpersson | hmm.. |
| 10:37.15 | ericpersson | should be possible to do this in the shell, instead of the damn menustuff, right? |
| 10:37.29 | petemc | yes |
| 10:38.50 | bruddah | hurd hurd hurd is da word |
| 10:39.05 | bruddah | fuck RMS |
| 10:39.07 | bruddah | </random> |
| 10:39.15 | peterS | bruddah: yeah but what about hird? |
| 10:39.24 | bruddah | !hird |
| 10:39.24 | dpkg | methinks hird is Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth |
| 10:39.28 | ericpersson | petemc: I should create a pv with pvcreate on /dev/md0 first, right? |
| 10:39.30 | bruddah | fuck depth |
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| 10:40.17 | ericpersson | petemc: or is it the other way around, I create two pvs of the 2 disks, and then create a md0 out of them? |
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| 10:43.43 | bruddah | how do i get pub key for opera? gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 033431536A423791 ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - no work |
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| 10:44.10 | E-bola | Why does debians default exim conf only warn if ppl are listed in sender ip blacklists? |
| 10:44.22 | Phated | Because you're exporting a different key from the one you received, bruddah? |
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| 10:44.24 | cydork | bruddah: why are you using 2 different keys?? |
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| 10:44.44 | bruddah | cydork: cause i used an example and changed a value i thought was right :) |
| 10:44.48 | DragonD | Hello. I'm looking for some software that will do something like scan for wireless APs without encrption and try to connect to one when found then test to see if it has internet access. if it doesn't it trys another, then another... any ideas? |
| 10:44.50 | sep | E-bola, becouse a default should not be too disruptive ? |
| 10:44.59 | Phated | bruddah: You need to change both values. |
| 10:45.04 | sep | E-bola, and any email admin can change that default to suit his case |
| 10:45.12 | bruddah | Phated: to be the same string? |
| 10:45.43 | unlink | DragonD: write a shell script? |
| 10:45.46 | E-bola | sep: ok just wondered if there was a deeper meaning with it |
| 10:45.48 | Phated | bruddah: The one you've received should be the one you're exporting. |
| 10:46.05 | E-bola | also by default the dnslist is set to CHECK_RCPT_IP_DNSBLS |
| 10:46.05 | Phated | bruddah: Or the other way - change both values to be the same thing. |
| 10:46.05 | DragonD | unlink, I'm not very good with shell scripts. |
| 10:46.09 | E-bola | but thats not defined anywhere? |
| 10:46.20 | DragonD | unlink, or the wireless tools for that matter |
| 10:46.31 | unlink | DragonD: so look at some examples and read man bash. they are plenty on your computer |
| 10:46.38 | unlink | DragonD: okay, so read their manpages. |
| 10:46.56 | DragonD | allright |
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| 10:47.02 | bruddah | that worked... common sense rules!!!! |
| 10:47.36 | cydork | DragonD: google for wicrawl |
| 10:47.41 | Phated | bruddah: Amazingly enough, you can't export a key you don't have. Shocker. |
| 10:47.50 | bruddah | Phated: but i wanna! |
| 10:48.45 | bruddah | !why iceweasel |
| 10:48.46 | dpkg | why iceweasel is probably debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 10:48.55 | bruddah | shouldn't that say firefox2? |
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| 10:49.24 | cydork | bruddah: 2 is the version .. |
| 10:49.44 | bruddah | cydork: it imlies that all versions of firefox are called iceweasel |
| 10:49.52 | bruddah | s/imlies/implies/ |
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| 10:50.58 | vaq | hello, im having a problem my servers / is read-only when i try to remount it with mount -o remount,rw / i get this error: mount: block device /dev/hda10 is write-protected, mounting read-only - How can i fix this problem? |
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| 10:54.19 | matteo | hi ppl |
| 10:54.23 | matteo | how to disable the framebuffer? CONFIG_FB=n or CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=n? |
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| 10:57.04 | kjoonlee | vaq: Have you checked the logs? Errors can make drives read-only. |
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| 11:00.21 | Quintin | Where can someone get the source for dpkg? |
| 11:00.29 | Habbie | apt-get source dpkg |
| 11:00.31 | Habbie | i would suppose |
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| 11:00.44 | Quintin | ... |
| 11:00.45 | Quintin | the bot. |
| 11:01.01 | Ronin | Quintin: blootbot |
| 11:01.05 | Ronin | !what are you |
| 11:01.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 11:01.44 | snabeluer | <blootbot> |
| 11:01.54 | Ronin | !tell snabeluer about blootbot |
| 11:02.07 | snabeluer | please do ;) |
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| 11:03.07 | Quintin | hm |
| 11:03.12 | Quintin | Ronin: have you run any irc bots before/ |
| 11:03.13 | Quintin | ? |
| 11:03.27 | Ronin | Quintin: used to run several, www.egghelp.org |
| 11:03.34 | Ronin | is a good place to start reading |
| 11:03.47 | Quintin | Ronin: The fact that eggdrop started in #gayteen makes me somewhat averse. I've heard about it though. |
| 11:04.00 | Ronin | Quintin: who cares where it started? |
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| 11:04.35 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 11:04.36 | Quintin | Ronin: that just makes me feel dirty. |
| 11:04.49 | tengulre | how to install POSTFIX on debian? |
| 11:04.56 | Ronin | ahh, well thats a problem you need to discuss with a doctor not me |
| 11:05.01 | Ronin | tengulre: apt-get install |
| 11:05.36 | kjoonlee | Quintin: Yeah, and gcc was coded by a big fat man with a beard.. |
| 11:05.44 | tengulre | Ronin: this I know, my mean is how to setup it? (Completed Documents) |
| 11:05.51 | Quintin | kjoonlee: I know.. I only use cc :) |
| 11:06.36 | DragonD | anyone know where i can find some info on setting up ad-hoc? |
| 11:06.38 | kjoonlee | ls -al /etc/alternatives/cc |
| 11:06.38 | kjoonlee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-11-03 20:15 /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc* |
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| 11:09.00 | Quintin | !nickometer DragonD |
| 11:09.02 | dpkg | 'DragonD' is 0.000% lame, quintin |
| 11:09.19 | DragonD | what the hell is that? |
| 11:09.22 | wols | tengulre: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
| 11:09.25 | Quintin | ~nickometer cougar` |
| 11:09.58 | cydork | wols: wb :) |
| 11:10.01 | Guerin | Quintin: got yer site set up yet? |
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| 11:10.16 | Quintin | Guerin: nope. I haven't even emailed Kristian |
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| 11:10.36 | wols | cydork: I was never really away. I live on freenode |
| 11:10.57 | cydork | wols: where there hell were you then? :P |
| 11:11.09 | Guerin | Quintin: just think ... cold, frosty beer ... that you'll have to buy abrotman when you're wrong ;) |
| 11:11.43 | Mazingaro | hbi |
| 11:11.46 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:12.07 | Mazingaro | please adept won't recognise updates |
| 11:12.19 | Guerin | peterS: I found a tool explicitly for the job: http://tc.versiontracker.com/product/redir/lid/459640/SubAZ.zip |
| 11:12.26 | Mazingaro | I've to do from root: apt-get update |
| 11:12.37 | peterS | Guerin: ahh, nice |
| 11:12.45 | Guerin | someone went and wrote it in C |
| 11:13.05 | Quintin | Guerin: I haven't been wrong since 1992. |
| 11:13.17 | Guerin | Quintin: well, you're making up for it now. |
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| 11:13.24 | Guerin | because you'rre good and damn wrong |
| 11:13.42 | Quintin | hardly. |
| 11:14.11 | Guerin | Quintin: no, really. If you find a way to do it, you'll revolutionise the ssl certificate industry. |
| 11:14.21 | Guerin | Quintin: and probably make millions doing so. |
| 11:14.42 | peterS | Guerin: wait, what impossibility is he trying to pull off? |
| 11:15.07 | Guerin | peterS: one ssl cert for two different named vhosts on one ip and port |
| 11:15.17 | Guerin | peterS: with the cert matching the two names, clearly |
| 11:15.22 | peterS | yeah, good luck with that. |
| 11:15.28 | Guerin | not using malarkey like *.foo.com |
| 11:15.38 | wols | Guerin: if he solves this problem verisign will sue him into bankruptcy |
| 11:15.47 | Guerin | peterS: he flies to philly to buy abrotman a beer if he loses |
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| 11:15.51 | wols | you just don't meddle with verisign profits |
| 11:15.51 | Quintin | I'm not trying to solve anything |
| 11:15.54 | peterS | Guerin: niiiiice. |
| 11:16.05 | Guerin | Quintin: this is like the monkey puzzle |
| 11:16.06 | Quintin | I'm just going to email Kristian. He made reference to doing this |
| 11:16.25 | Guerin | Quintin: please do, we wait with bated breath. |
| 11:17.19 | Quintin | Guerin: more important things are on my list right now |
| 11:17.32 | Guerin | Quintin: more important than putting verisign out of business? |
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| 11:17.39 | Guerin | you must really be a big-noter |
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| 11:18.18 | dondelelcaro | there's really nothing that forces a certificate to be for one domain only besides the ssl specification |
| 11:18.21 | Esaj | I'm getting a message, "No support for INET6 on this system." at bootup and it fails to bring up eth0... |
| 11:18.24 | Esaj | any ideas? |
| 11:18.48 | abchirk | hm is it useful to install mysq 5.1 on sarge? |
| 11:18.54 | abchirk | *mysql |
| 11:18.56 | liable | this is a debian system?? |
| 11:19.06 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right, but good luck getting your own random system of signing accepted. |
| 11:19.15 | dondelelcaro | Esaj: all reasonably modern debian kernels have support for inet6. |
| 11:19.18 | dondelelcaro | s/inet/ipv/ |
| 11:19.28 | Guerin | Esaj: use a debian kernel |
| 11:19.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: even if it becomes an IETF standard, we'll still be stuck with the current way of doing things for a few decades |
| 11:20.11 | Esaj | I am using a debian kernel... |
| 11:20.15 | Guerin | while people get around to fighting the lawsuits from verisign |
| 11:20.30 | Lakez | anyone know why Sata Parity Errors happen? Buggy kernel? |
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| 11:21.51 | sobersabre | bad cable ? |
| 11:22.03 | sobersabre | bad controller ? |
| 11:22.06 | sobersabre | bad disk ? |
| 11:22.16 | Guerin | bad |
| 11:23.23 | Quintin | Lakez: replace everything. troubleshooting 101 |
| 11:23.42 | Quintin | and wtf. buggy kernel in debian? |
| 11:24.26 | Guerin | Lakez: everything, but only one thing at a time |
| 11:24.32 | Guerin | one variable, like |
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| 11:25.17 | Lakez | I've swapped in new cables... I've done smartctl/badblocks on /dev/sdb .. nothing. It must be a bad controller |
| 11:25.27 | Lakez | asus motherboard, i wonder if it has a bios update :( |
| 11:25.55 | Quintin | Lakez: have you tried another drive in the machine? |
| 11:25.56 | Lakez | is there an app that probes all the hardware on debian? |
| 11:26.06 | Lakez | Quintin, all drives in the machine but /dev/sdb work |
| 11:26.28 | Quintin | have you tried another drive on that channel? |
| 11:26.32 | Lakez | /dev/sdb works 99.99% of the time.. then once every 1-2 weeks I've gotta go reset the box by the reset button.. frozen |
| 11:26.42 | Lakez | No, other than this brand new seagate on it |
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| 11:27.22 | Lakez | is there a PC Wizard for debian .. kinda app? |
| 11:27.26 | Lakez | PC Wizard 2006 rocks |
| 11:27.51 | sobersabre | Lakez, what is the power of your PSU ? |
| 11:28.08 | Lakez | oh probably only 400w |
| 11:28.10 | Lakez | lemme go check |
| 11:28.14 | sobersabre | wait |
| 11:28.18 | sobersabre | check 2 things: |
| 11:28.20 | sobersabre | 1. power |
| 11:28.29 | sobersabre | 2. how well and silent are all the fans. |
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| 11:28.43 | sobersabre | if you hear fans too loud, stop the machine, and grease the fans. |
| 11:29.04 | sobersabre | ( you have to open that sticker, and grease the kugellaggers ) |
| 11:29.18 | moshii | sobersabre: if fans make noise the bearings are usually gone |
| 11:29.35 | moshii | sobersabre: greasing them only delays the explosion ;) |
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| 11:29.51 | sobersabre | moshii, I haven't told him if the bearings sound too loud. |
| 11:30.04 | Quintin | mmm |
| 11:30.09 | Quintin | copmuter noises |
| 11:30.27 | sobersabre | Lakez: you can differ what makes noise - the bearings or the fan... right ? |
| 11:30.34 | Quintin | in my little office here I have a 3U router, cisco swtich that sounds like a plane taking off, my desktop computer, and a server |
| 11:30.36 | Lakez | antec 430w |
| 11:30.58 | Lakez | i was just downstairs.. machine is very quiet |
| 11:31.01 | Lakez | it's all brand new hardware |
| 11:31.07 | sobersabre | ok.... |
| 11:31.07 | Lakez | well, new within 4-5 months |
| 11:31.26 | Quintin | Lakez: go ask the Usenet Oracle. |
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| 11:31.40 | moshii | Quintin: Dell poweredges sound like planes taking off |
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| 11:31.49 | unlink | moshii: they do indeed |
| 11:31.57 | moshii | Quintin: when they do that whole fan mashing at power on |
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| 11:32.24 | unlink | especially the 6650s |
| 11:32.26 | sobersabre | moshii IBM BladeCenter's chassie also makes some noise.... |
| 11:32.47 | unlink | nah, all blades are silent. |
| 11:33.02 | liob | hi, |
| 11:33.02 | liob | i have created a virtual network device eth0:2 and want to change the Mac Adress od this one (eth0 should stay the same). How can I do that? |
| 11:33.33 | Habbie | i don't think you can |
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| 11:34.28 | liob | hmmm |
| 11:34.32 | liob | thats a shame |
| 11:34.43 | bruddah | define silent |
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| 11:34.56 | bruddah | even atoms make noise |
| 11:35.03 | liable | !dict silent |
| 11:35.06 | dpkg | Dictionary 'silent' (1 of 23): . Partner \Part"ner\, n. [For parcener, influenced by part.] 1. One who has a part in anything with an other; a partaker; an associate; a sharer. ``Partner of his fortune.'' --Shak. Hence: (a) A husband or a wife. (b) Either one of a couple who dance together. (c) One who shares as a member of a partnership in the management, or in the gains and losses, of a business.. |
| 11:35.36 | bruddah | wtf? partner?! |
| 11:35.42 | liob | can the ip adresses of eth0 and eth1 be in the same subnetwork without causing problems? |
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| 11:36.05 | Habbie | liob, don't do it |
| 11:36.17 | bruddah | iceweasel is sexy |
| 11:36.23 | unlink | liob: depends on how the subnet relates to your routing tables |
| 11:36.34 | Habbie | liob, usually this request stems from an earlier misunderstanding - what are you trying to solve? |
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| 11:37.06 | Quintin | Habbie: why not do it? |
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| 11:37.36 | Habbie | Quintin, because it rarely does what an admin setting such a thing up, expects |
| 11:37.38 | liob | we have a debian server here in our residential home, which is connected to the internet through the university. We have some kind of quata per month about how much you are allowed to up and download. It would be nice to have "a little more room" for the server, but due technical restrictions you can't exclude one ip from the quota. |
| 11:37.53 | unlink | if your eth0 is 10.0.0.2, and you have 10.0.0.0/24 routed through that, and your eth1 is 10.0.1.2, and 10.0.0.1/24 is routed through it, then both eth0 and eth1 are on the same 10.0.0.0/16 subnet, but it doesn't matter |
| 11:37.59 | Quintin | hm... blootbot wants to be root to run ? |
| 11:38.04 | Habbie | liob, i see - how about switching between ports every 2 weeks? |
| 11:38.34 | Habbie | liob, or how about just putting two IPs on eth0 and bind your torrent-client (or whatever you're doing) to the second IP? |
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| 11:38.35 | bruddah | how do debian packages differ from original software? |
| 11:38.57 | unlink | bruddah: depends on the package. usually a series of debian patches are applied to them. |
| 11:39.11 | Quintin | bruddah: unpack one and look |
| 11:39.22 | unlink | bruddah: check out the apt-get source command to see exactly how. |
| 11:39.37 | bruddah | but i mean in general |
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| 11:39.47 | bruddah | like what "type" of stuff do they add |
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| 11:40.14 | bruddah | or is it package specific? |
| 11:40.56 | liob | Habbie: no torrent, it is a voip server and an ftp. The server has to get it's IP adresse over dhcp, otherwise it would get kicked out of the network. |
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| 11:41.21 | Habbie | liob, i see - how about switching your mac-address on eth0 every two weeks? |
| 11:41.25 | bruddah | or i guess what is the point of adding a debian patch? |
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| 11:41.32 | bruddah | what does it add? |
| 11:41.48 | unlink | bruddah: often there are patches which dfsgify packages |
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| 11:42.05 | bruddah | !dfsgify |
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| 11:42.19 | Plouj | what's the simplest way to create a debian auto install CD? |
| 11:42.33 | bruddah | Plouj: buy one? |
| 11:42.59 | Plouj | other than that? |
| 11:43.05 | liob | Habbie: would be possible to get a new IP. Some of the users get on the Server (which also serves the residential home web page) over ip, so that users could not get on the server anymore. It would be perfekt to have 2 IPs at the same time that are in the same subnetwork. |
| 11:43.11 | liable | there was a project for that.. (that i cant remember the name of..) |
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| 11:44.19 | bruddah | unlink: whats dfsigfy? |
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| 11:45.28 | cydork | Plouj: you mean un attended installs? |
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| 11:47.50 | saltia | hi all... |
| 11:47.53 | unlink | bruddah: dfsg-ify. |
| 11:48.32 | bruddah | unlink: whats dfsg? |
| 11:48.34 | bruddah | !dfsg |
| 11:48.35 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 11:48.41 | bruddah | unlink: oh nevermind thnx |
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| 11:49.03 | bruddah | so does non-free fall under dfsg? |
| 11:49.39 | wols | of course not |
| 11:49.49 | wols | non-free <> debian FREE software guidelines |
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| 11:51.01 | bruddah | but non-free is still a part of debian yeah? |
| 11:51.36 | cydork | bruddah: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 11:51.42 | bruddah | cydork: k thnx |
| 11:52.41 | bruddah | lol vrms |
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| 12:06.31 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 12:06.47 | bruddah | how can i get a package list of etch? |
| 12:07.21 | blondie | !pdo |
| 12:07.28 | blondie | bah |
| 12:07.36 | dooglus | http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:07.45 | blondie | too much typing |
| 12:08.07 | bruddah | thnx |
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| 12:08.50 | dooglus | !pdo |
| 12:08.50 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 12:11.35 | tarzeau | dpkg bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 12:11.35 | dpkg | tarzeau: i already had it that way |
| 12:11.48 | tarzeau | but why did she not say? |
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| 12:14.43 | bruddah | heh /exec is a good command |
| 12:14.52 | bruddah | no need to leave irc to do some rel work |
| 12:14.58 | bruddah | s/rel/real/ |
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| 12:16.10 | DragonD | how do i compile a custom module? |
| 12:16.43 | bruddah | gcc? |
| 12:17.08 | DragonD | what about using module-assisatant? |
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| 12:18.56 | bruddah | never heard of it |
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| 12:19.30 | Phated | DragonD: Depends on the module. |
| 12:19.51 | sep | DragonD, install module-assistant. and run m-a prepeare and m-a a-i module module-assistant must offcouse support the module in question |
| 12:20.04 | DragonD | well i was tring acx100 but for somereason it wasn't working with my netgear wg311v2 |
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| 12:23.02 | DragonD | ok i just tried the one from unstable like the acx how-to said and it wouldn't compile |
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| 12:28.38 | liob | ok, i have managed to get eth0 and eth0:0 working as i want. Both are in the same subnetwork. How can I define that eth0 should be used for standard? |
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| 12:28.57 | E-bola | ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 12:29.01 | E-bola | ^^ can anybody help with that? |
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| 12:29.11 | wols | what kernel version? |
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| 12:29.25 | wols | it should add conntrack "buckets" automatically when it needs them |
| 12:29.37 | porkpie | how do I false an install of mysql-server not version5 |
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| 12:29.55 | wols | liob: by setting eth0 the default gateway. man interfaces |
| 12:29.56 | E-bola | wols: 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 12:30.08 | liob | thank you wols |
| 12:30.34 | wishkah | my notebook went off during base-install (etch), now I'm with a half-installed system (can't even boot into it, need to chroot). How do I re-install/re-configure EVERYTHING? |
| 12:30.41 | E-bola | wols: connection tracking is enabled in the kernel right? Im just wondering if i can disable it somehgow if its not needed |
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| 12:30.48 | wols | number conntrack buckets are set up depending on available phys ram, but in 2.6 it should dynamically add if needed |
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| 12:30.58 | wols | are you doing NAT? |
| 12:31.16 | wols | wishkah: by reinstalling? |
| 12:31.16 | E-bola | yes |
| 12:31.23 | wols | then conntrack is mandatory |
| 12:31.28 | E-bola | hmm ok thought so |
| 12:31.39 | wishkah | wols: that'd take forever again, is there no way to do this without re-installing the already installed (downloaded) packages? |
| 12:32.22 | wols | wishkah: depends on what part your install got hosed I guess. can't say from here. is the bas system installed? |
| 12:32.26 | wishkah | something like "apt-get install base-system" |
| 12:32.35 | wols | E-bola: tried upgrading to a recent kernel? |
| 12:32.37 | wishkah | wols: yeah, base system is installed |
| 12:33.17 | wols | wishkah: then run tasksel or whatever again. make sure you install a kernel and grub too. No guarantess tho |
| 12:33.22 | wishkah | the half-installed system doesn't boot, 2.6.17-2-686 hangs at "Waiting for root-filesystem..." |
| 12:33.23 | E-bola | wols: i'd say tis fairly recent? |
| 12:33.27 | E-bola | wols: what about /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max ? |
| 12:33.34 | E-bola | what meaning does it have if u say its dynamic? |
| 12:34.09 | wishkah | wols: AH, so the tool is called "tasksel". that's what I was asking, thank you |
| 12:34.33 | wols | it allocates a number of buckets on startup (see dmesg), then when it needs more while running it mallocs some more |
| 12:34.47 | wols | are you running anything special to run out of them? |
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| 12:35.22 | wols | at least that's how it's done since 2.6 or so. I once had a problem with them where the kernel didn't autoclose tcp connections |
| 12:35.49 | wols | afer a day or two I ran out IIRC. as a workaround I manually increased the allocated number in source and recompiled the kernel |
| 12:36.04 | wishkah | I know I've heard about this "waiting for root-filesystem" problem before... anybody know something? |
| 12:36.14 | wols | E-bola: again, why not upgrade your kernel? there is no debian version that runs 2.6.15 currently |
| 12:36.16 | blondie | I know something, yes |
| 12:37.44 | wishkah | blondie: thank you , that's really helping me |
| 12:37.57 | blondie | wishkah: I answered your question. |
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| 12:41.41 | simmerz | am i right in saying that debian has mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-server-4.1 and that they can be run together? ie - I can install 5.0 and not upgrade my 4.1 databases? |
| 12:42.10 | simmerz | talking about etch here |
| 12:43.52 | Braindead | tarzeau: I think that bug #398642 may still be opened :( http://channels.debian.net/paste/4671 |
| 12:44.09 | blondie | if it may still be opened, that means it's closed |
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| 12:44.25 | tarzeau | Braindead: which version? |
| 12:44.38 | Braindead | blondie: it's closed,but I think it's still there |
| 12:44.39 | tarzeau | Braindead: did you try the very very latest? incoming.debian.org or gnu.ethz.ch/debian/links2/ ? |
| 12:44.44 | Braindead | tarzeau: incoming |
| 12:44.46 | tarzeau | Braindead: do you have ppc? |
| 12:44.49 | Braindead | i386 |
| 12:45.05 | tarzeau | Braindead: i'm sorry i can't reproduce it on i386. can you provide output and build logs? |
| 12:45.37 | Braindead | the output is on that paste link,I still didn't try to build it with xorg dependencies |
| 12:45.52 | tarzeau | Braindead: you get the binary packages or the source one? |
| 12:45.54 | wols | simmerz: you are wrong |
| 12:45.57 | tarzeau | Braindead: and what x do you have? |
| 12:46.08 | wols | simmerz: look in the "conflicts" line for your mysql-server 5.0 |
| 12:46.21 | Braindead | tarzeau: xorg 7.1.0-7 |
| 12:46.39 | simmerz | wols: just noticed that |
| 12:46.57 | Braindead | tarzeau: I got the binary 2.1pre26-2 from incoming |
| 12:46.59 | simmerz | wols: and the fact the mysql-server-4.1 is a transitional package that depends on 5.0 |
| 12:47.12 | simmerz | doh! me and my stupid questions |
| 12:47.14 | tarzeau | Braindead: can you get the binary from gnu.ethz.ch/debian/links2/ |
| 12:47.25 | Braindead | tarzeau: I'm right on it |
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| 12:47.56 | tarzeau | Braindead: what says ldd /usr/bin/links2 | wc -l |
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| 12:48.17 | Braindead | tarzeau: the package on your page works just fine |
| 12:48.33 | tarzeau | Braindead: maybe it's missing some build-depends, or something, no idea |
| 12:48.39 | tarzeau | panthera: dein build ist kaputt |
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| 12:49.57 | tarzeau | Braindead: do you have a build chroot? |
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| 12:51.04 | dererk[work] | G'Morning :) |
| 12:52.25 | Braindead | tarzeau: no no,no build chroots yet,not even for testing purposes. plain sid installation. anyway yes the "incoming" binary and the "gurkanhomepage" binary do really differ |
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| 12:54.54 | Braindead | tarzeau: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4672 |
| 12:55.10 | Lakez | who is --MARK-- and why is he in my syslog? |
| 12:55.12 | Lakez | :) |
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| 12:55.20 | wols | iptables log |
| 12:55.30 | tarzeau | Braindead: yep it's the three X libs missing |
| 12:55.36 | Lakez | wols, i'm just fooling ;) |
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| 12:55.59 | wols | Braindead: give your nick please to Lakez. he needs it |
| 12:56.17 | Lakez | haha |
| 12:56.21 | tarzeau | Braindead: can you get the source, and build yourself? |
| 12:56.29 | Lakez | wols, www.SenseOfHumor.com ;) |
| 12:56.38 | tarzeau | Braindead: check if these two are missing in the build depends, try adding them: libxau-dev libxdmcp-dev |
| 12:56.43 | tarzeau | Braindead: if it works, that'll be the fix |
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| 12:57.04 | Yaacov | hi @ all |
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| 12:57.32 | NullP01nt3r | hello any easy way of encrypting/decrypting backups without using gpg? |
| 12:58.02 | Yaacov | can anyone give me a working sources.list for debian etch, I want to upgrade my Kanotix to Debian Etch |
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| 12:58.33 | moshii | NullP01nt3r: cryptoloop'ed fs |
| 12:58.33 | BrainDead | wols, happy? :) |
| 12:58.36 | tarzeau | Yaacov: telnet linuks.mine.nu | sed s,sid,etch,g |
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| 12:58.56 | NullP01nt3r | moshii, thats not easier than gpg hehe |
| 12:59.10 | NullP01nt3r | thanks but Im looking for something even simpler |
| 12:59.28 | Yaacov | tarzeau: Ok thanks and were are the repos for security fixes? |
| 12:59.41 | tarzeau | Yaacov: no idea, i never use testing |
| 12:59.54 | Yaacov | tarzeau: but stable? |
| 13:00.04 | tarzeau | i don't really use stable either |
| 13:00.10 | Yaacov | tarzeau: ah SID |
| 13:00.17 | DerJamster | Yaacov: one sec..I got them. |
| 13:00.24 | tarzeau | sid doesn't have the security fixes on the same repo |
| 13:00.32 | tarzeau | s,on the same repo,,g |
| 13:00.38 | Yaacov | tarzeau: but which branch are you using? |
| 13:00.42 | tarzeau | Yaacov: sid |
| 13:00.47 | DerJamster | Yaacov: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:00.50 | DerJamster | for example. |
| 13:00.57 | Yaacov | DerJamster: thanks |
| 13:01.21 | DerJamster | And sid doesn't have a security repo, no. It gets new versions on a daily basis anyways ;P |
| 13:01.29 | Yaacov | tarzeau: did you know of Kanotix - a Debian SID based distro, I have been using SID for a very long time trough it but now the distro closes |
| 13:01.40 | Yaacov | and I have to search for a new one |
| 13:01.52 | tarzeau | Yaacov: yes i hear about it, but i like the http://livecd.gnustep.org/ one better |
| 13:01.58 | Yaacov | so I decided first to go to etch |
| 13:02.09 | DerJamster | Yaacov: going for a Desktop or server? |
| 13:02.20 | Yaacov | DerJamster: desktop |
| 13:02.57 | DerJamster | Well..Testing ought to be enough for that. SID can get you into trouble at times ;) Tho the only real problem I had over the years was an issue with PAM. |
| 13:03.00 | DerJamster | That was nasty. |
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| 13:04.03 | Yaacov | DerJamster: As using Kanotix I had no problems with SID because if there were any problems in the debian repo - there were warnings on the knaotix hp not to make a d-u |
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| 13:04.36 | Yaacov | but running SID without any warnings I is in my opinion a bit dangerous |
| 13:04.48 | DerJamster | Well, you gotta have apt-listbugs installed. |
| 13:04.56 | DerJamster | It works very well. |
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| 13:05.47 | jamescarr | how can I use my debian camera? |
| 13:06.00 | blondie | debian make cameras? |
| 13:06.02 | DerJamster | your..what? |
| 13:06.02 | jamescarr | er... I mean Digital Camera from linux |
| 13:06.04 | DerJamster | heh :D |
| 13:06.06 | jamescarr | lol |
| 13:06.16 | jamescarr | bleh |
| 13:06.19 | jamescarr | let me rephrase |
| 13:06.22 | tarzeau | jamescarr: camera.app |
| 13:06.33 | jamescarr | "How can I get my digital camera to work with debian" ;) |
| 13:07.29 | DerJamster | Running KDE? |
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| 13:07.47 | jamescarr | yeah |
| 13:07.50 | DanLappy | Hu Guys |
| 13:07.53 | DanLappy | Hi* |
| 13:08.07 | DerJamster | jamescarr: apt-get Kamera, make sure Udev and dbus are running, and just try and connect it. |
| 13:08.07 | DanLappy | Is there a way to tell if my kernel is running at 1000HZ timer? |
| 13:08.23 | jamescarr | thanks |
| 13:08.26 | tarzeau | DanLappy: check your kernel configuration |
| 13:08.28 | DerJamster | DanLappy: open /boot/whateverconfig in an editor. see what the setting is. |
| 13:09.14 | cydork | DanLappy: grep HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:09.24 | DanLappy | hi tarzeau i just ran make oldconfig then make menuconfig and that loaded my old config and its set on 1000HZ |
| 13:10.16 | DanLappy | Its running at 1000HZ |
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| 13:10.40 | DanLappy | the processor is set to 386 and its a xeon 3.2 does that make a difference? |
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| 13:10.51 | tarzeau | DanLappy: heck YES |
| 13:10.52 | DanLappy | ah thanks cydork |
| 13:10.59 | tarzeau | DanLappy: it performs horrible, build a p4 kernel |
| 13:11.03 | DanLappy | :S |
| 13:11.06 | tarzeau | DanLappy: and smp? how much memory? |
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| 13:11.19 | DanLappy | its a 3,2ghz xeon 2meg cache 1gigram |
| 13:11.26 | DanLappy | rack server |
| 13:11.50 | tarzeau | DanLappy: build a 4gb mem kernel, otherwise you'll only see 886 mb |
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| 13:12.02 | DanLappy | ok |
| 13:12.10 | DanLappy | the other wierd thing is aswell |
| 13:12.25 | DanLappy | its that its showing it as 16k cache on the system info |
| 13:12.43 | DanLappy | Processor family (Pentium-4/Celeron(P4-based)/Pentium-4 M/Xeon) ---> i'll compile with that |
| 13:13.05 | blondie | compile? |
| 13:13.10 | blondie | apt-get install the right one |
| 13:13.17 | cydork | DanLappy: that is L1 cache ? |
| 13:13.46 | cydork | DanLappy: and to check the support for highmem check grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:13.54 | DanLappy | L2 cache |
| 13:13.55 | DanLappy | i think |
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| 13:14.30 | DanLappy | i want to set the timer freq and you can't do that on a apt-get install kernel package? |
| 13:14.38 | moshii | 16k L2 cache, 68020 style or something :) |
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| 13:14.52 | DanLappy | its 2 meg cache |
| 13:14.55 | DanLappy | on the chip |
| 13:15.30 | cydork | DanLappy: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:15.39 | cyzie | itchi, u there? |
| 13:15.43 | looksaus | hm, with a vanilla sources list (at least, the amd64 one) |
| 13:15.45 | Yaacov | is this the official channel for debian GNU/Linux? |
| 13:15.45 | NineTails | sup? |
| 13:15.51 | looksaus | I get problems installing plone |
| 13:16.01 | DanLappy | yes cydork? |
| 13:16.06 | cydork | Yaacov: not official.. /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 13:16.16 | cydork | DanLappy: look for cache size in that.. |
| 13:16.27 | DanLappy | yeah its 16KB |
| 13:16.31 | DanLappy | thats not right |
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| 13:17.11 | naikan | win 1 |
| 13:17.12 | moshii | DanLappy: stock kernel? |
| 13:17.21 | DanLappy | i just install deb 3.1 on it |
| 13:17.39 | DanLappy | didn't think running it on that would cause crapp performance |
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| 13:19.09 | jamescarr | snowed in |
| 13:19.19 | jamescarr | we got like a foot of snow outside! |
| 13:19.23 | DanLappy | lol |
| 13:19.29 | DanLappy | where are you located? |
| 13:19.32 | NineTails | that's a secret |
| 13:19.41 | DanLappy | hehe |
| 13:19.43 | moshii | DanLappy: I presume all the cache is being used even if it doesn't say it is.. |
| 13:20.04 | DanLappy | hmm |
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| 13:20.18 | moshii | DanLappy: there's a better util called x86info or x68util |
| 13:20.22 | jamescarr | Columbia, MO |
| 13:20.36 | DanLappy | do you guys know if the apt-get kernel will have the 1000HZ timer |
| 13:20.42 | moshii | it's by that big linux guy that's into speaking wlesh anyhoo |
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| 13:21.02 | DanLappy | becuase if it doesn't reboot i have to get a techie to go to the rack server and plug a monitor/kb in |
| 13:21.06 | moshii | DanLappy: the stock kernels include the build config, so you can find out |
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| 13:21.55 | DanLappy | or should I just compile this using my old config with the 1000HZ and correct cpu setting then install it? |
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| 13:22.05 | DanLappy | that way i have everything i set out to do |
| 13:22.10 | cydork | DanLappy: check with lshw or hwinfo but i am sure that is your L1 cache . |
| 13:22.17 | DanLappy | ok |
| 13:23.03 | DanLappy | cydork: http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/rack_servers?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd |
| 13:23.04 | jamescarr | at least it's sunny out, so hopefully the snow melts fast |
| 13:23.10 | moshii | who needs 100mhz+ cpu's anyways :P |
| 13:23.16 | jamescarr | my girlfriend was going to drive down tonight |
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| 13:23.20 | DanLappy | i have the sc1425 |
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| 13:23.45 | DanLappy | the kernel timer freq :| |
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| 13:26.19 | DanLappy | I've upgraded kernels on various machines 6 times now and never had a problem |
| 13:26.42 | DanLappy | i'm not expert though which is obvouis :> |
| 13:28.09 | moshii | DanLappy: other than the cache showing incorrectly are there any other problems? |
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| 13:28.10 | DanLappy | yeah game servers lag |
| 13:28.10 | DanLappy | every now and then |
| 13:28.10 | DanLappy | which is not right |
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| 13:30.11 | matteo | hi all |
| 13:30.27 | matteo | new kernel (panic): http://chicca.ath.cx/Desktop/Kp2.jpg |
| 13:30.31 | moshii | DanLappy: but it's fine with older/different kernels? |
| 13:30.47 | pling | Hi |
| 13:31.16 | matteo | this is 2.6.19 |
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| 13:31.28 | pling | where do I find old debian woody iso images? can't find one on the official mirrors. |
| 13:31.54 | tarzeau | pling: i think we have them, but we're resizing lvm |
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| 13:35.54 | E-bola | are there any commands to reload a kernel module in 1 step? |
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| 13:37.11 | sep | E-bola, modprobe -r modulename ; modprobe modulename ? |
| 13:37.47 | DanLappy | I think i may of have missed something |
| 13:38.03 | E-bola | sep: i need to reset my contrack table |
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| 13:38.30 | sep | E-bola, i think that module is hard to remove |
| 13:38.32 | E-bola | will i loose connection to the system if i reload ipt_state,iptable_nat,ip_nat and ip_conntrack |
| 13:38.32 | E-bola | ? |
| 13:38.41 | daya | can any one help to enable xkb and scim in kde |
| 13:38.46 | daya | in kde |
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| 13:39.05 | moshii | daya: use skim in kde |
| 13:39.13 | DanLappy | if your compiling the kernel, after you have set the options and saved the config do you need to go make before you can make the .deb file? |
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| 13:39.51 | DanLappy | because i've just made the deb file to install it and not gone make after exiting make menuconfig |
| 13:39.53 | daya | moshii, is there is xkb in kde like gnome |
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| 13:42.35 | moshii | daya: whats xkb? |
| 13:42.58 | moshii | daya: I use skim with scim-anthy in kde for japanese.. |
| 13:43.43 | daya | moshii, i mean x keyboard system |
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| 13:43.53 | daya | moshii, as we use in |
| 13:44.00 | daya | moshii, in gnome |
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| 13:45.45 | daya | moshii, where r u from |
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| 13:49.08 | moshii | daya: sorry, I was working hehe... um from England, Live in Spain, work in Gib ... :P |
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| 13:50.37 | moshii | daya: I think the way gnome does input handling is different to everyone else, i.e., it's meant to be pretty good though |
| 13:50.47 | moshii | daya: i.e. xim |
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| 13:51.37 | DanLappy | do i need to do make after saving the kernel config and then make the d |
| 13:51.42 | DanLappy | .deb for install? |
| 13:52.46 | moshii | DanLappy: use make-kpkg |
| 13:52.49 | daya | moshii, i am from nepal |
| 13:52.56 | DanLappy | yes |
| 13:52.59 | DanLappy | i do |
| 13:53.00 | daya | hehe |
| 13:53.25 | DanLappy | I'm trying to work out what the problem is |
| 13:53.44 | DanLappy | i import the old config set the timer and correct processor but it doesn't boot |
| 13:54.22 | daya | moshii, bye |
| 13:54.27 | daya | i am going my home |
| 13:55.02 | moshii | take it easy |
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| 13:56.50 | wols | DanLappy: how do you "import" it? |
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| 13:57.24 | DanLappy | i copied the old 2.4.x config from /boot into /usr/src/kernelversion and then ran make oldconfig |
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| 13:57.40 | DanLappy | then make menuconfig and imported it into that |
| 13:58.02 | moshii | DanLappy: are you sure your performance issue is kernel related? |
| 13:58.07 | wols | you only have a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 13:58.13 | wols | to get the ol config from I mean |
| 13:58.14 | DanLappy | yeah |
| 13:58.24 | DanLappy | yes |
| 13:58.25 | wols | why no 2.6 one? |
| 13:58.32 | DanLappy | not installed |
| 13:58.35 | moshii | DanLappy: a 2.4 kernel works correctly? |
| 13:58.42 | DanLappy | well yesh |
| 13:58.45 | DanLappy | yes* |
| 13:58.46 | wols | is it a custom kernel or debian one? |
| 13:58.52 | DanLappy | 2.4 is debian |
| 13:58.57 | DanLappy | installed on deb 3.1 |
| 13:58.59 | wols | then get a 2.6 debian kernel |
| 13:59.02 | moshii | DanLappy: and 2.6 isn't performing as well? |
| 13:59.17 | DanLappy | moshii that doesnt't boot |
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| 13:59.21 | wols | start with a debian 2.6 kernel for your CPU (686, SMP) |
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| 13:59.30 | DanLappy | I want to set the timer frequency to 1000HZ |
| 13:59.33 | moshii | DanLappy: what does it stop at? |
| 13:59.38 | DanLappy | not sure |
| 13:59.44 | DanLappy | the rack server is 80 miles from me :/ |
| 13:59.51 | wols | DanLappy: does a stock debian 2.6 one boot? |
| 13:59.59 | DanLappy | nope |
| 14:00.02 | DanLappy | only 2.4 |
| 14:00.09 | moshii | DanLappy: you should ask dell.. they might be able to give you some hints |
| 14:00.13 | wols | what chipset, what harddisk? |
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| 14:00.20 | DanLappy | i should of have doen linux26 when i installed debian |
| 14:00.33 | DanLappy | :/ ok |
| 14:00.38 | moshii | DanLappy: from what I can see the RHEL dell ship with their kit is running 2.6 |
| 14:00.45 | DanLappy | yeah |
| 14:00.55 | DanLappy | so it should work fine |
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| 14:01.17 | moshii | DanLappy: you might find that their are some dell patches or something in the mix though |
| 14:01.26 | stew | DanLappy: what happens when you try to boot a stock 2.6? |
| 14:01.31 | stew | DanLappy: how did you install the 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:01.33 | moshii | DanLappy: *there |
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| 14:01.36 | DanLappy | 2.6 isnt installed |
| 14:01.43 | stew | DanLappy: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 14:01.51 | DanLappy | i install deb 3.1 with 2.4 kernel |
| 14:02.34 | DanLappy | ty stew |
| 14:02.54 | moshii | DanLappy: if you had bought sun you'd have a serial console and everything would be fine ;) |
| 14:03.03 | DanLappy | :S |
| 14:03.06 | DanLappy | hehe yes |
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| 14:03.50 | DanLappy | apt-get'ing the correct kernel for a 3.2xeon won't generate a initrd though? |
| 14:04.05 | moshii | DanLappy: apparently there is some java app or something from dell that allows you to see the boot process but I've never seen it |
| 14:04.22 | moshii | DanLappy: the right kernel for that is i686 |
| 14:04.26 | DanLappy | yes |
| 14:04.29 | DanLappy | ok |
| 14:04.38 | DanLappy | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i686 |
| 14:04.41 | DanLappy | then for me |
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| 14:04.53 | wols | DanLappy: no. you need a SMP kernel |
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| 14:06.47 | DanLappy | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 14:07.05 | DanLappy | its not got two cores |
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| 14:09.48 | wols | DanLappy: all P4 Xeons have hyperthreading afaik |
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| 14:11.52 | DanLappy | here goes |
| 14:11.59 | DanLappy | i've installed that |
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| 14:14.21 | moshii | wols: the 686 kernel has smp enabled now doesn't it? that's what I've noticed in unstable |
| 14:14.46 | E-bola | How do you get apache2.2 working with ssl? using the debian versions |
| 14:14.47 | DanLappy | nah |
| 14:14.49 | E-bola | cant find any info on google |
| 14:14.57 | cydork | moshii: all the kernels >= 2.6.17 have smp enabled.. |
| 14:15.07 | DanLappy | i installed that still not |
| 14:15.08 | tarzeau | cydork: all the debian linux kernels? |
| 14:15.15 | moshii | cydork: yeah that's what I thought |
| 14:15.17 | tarzeau | cydork: or any linux kernel >= 2.6.17? |
| 14:15.21 | cydork | tarzeau: ya.. |
| 14:15.30 | DanLappy | its going to mean a 80 mile trip to the datacenter |
| 14:15.32 | tarzeau | cydork: ya, what? |
| 14:15.42 | cydork | tarzeau: yes! they are. |
| 14:15.45 | tarzeau | cydork: but the memory support still is poor |
| 14:15.59 | tarzeau | cydork: any or the debian ones, they? |
| 14:16.04 | cydork | tarzeau: nope they are highmem enabled :) |
| 14:16.13 | tarzeau | cydork: but only up to 4gb? |
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| 14:16.52 | cydork | tarzeau: CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y and CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y on my 2.6.17 etch box |
| 14:17.00 | cydork | tarzeau: that's the debian kernel.. |
| 14:17.41 | tarzeau | when can i install the 2.6.19 one? |
| 14:18.15 | E-bola | apache2-ssl-certificate isnt in etch |
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| 14:18.23 | E-bola | so how are you supposed to fix ssl for apache2? |
| 14:19.13 | cydork | E-bola: check the bts afaik there was a fix for that.. |
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| 14:19.43 | E-bola | cydork>:bts? |
| 14:19.56 | cydork | !btssmite E-bola |
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| 14:20.07 | Dantix | hi all, I need to dismount the /home folder to move it to other disk, but I can't because something is using it. I can't figure what is using home, are there a tool to know waht files are in use and by who? |
| 14:20.22 | wols | DanLappy: lsof |grep /home |
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| 14:21.33 | Dantix | wols: thank |
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| 14:22.14 | cydork | tarzeau: hey google stoped gaia :( |
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| 14:22.37 | tarzeau | cydork: long long ago, i know |
| 14:22.48 | tarzeau | cydork: but it's probably not even google, but endoxon |
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| 14:23.08 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok.. |
| 14:23.12 | tarzeau | cydork: of course it doesn't mean your still existing copies of gaia won't work anymore :) |
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| 14:23.26 | cydork | tarzeau: i have deb :) |
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| 14:27.42 | DanLappy | when you use apt-get to get the kernel does it use the old config? |
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| 14:27.56 | wols | no |
| 14:28.04 | falco_toadfoot | I can't get dhcpd to accept option option-43 "text"; |
| 14:28.05 | DanLappy | hmm |
| 14:28.11 | wols | apt-get installs a already precompiled kernel with the debian config for that kernel |
| 14:28.12 | falco_toadfoot | it just says "unknown option option-43" |
| 14:28.19 | DanLappy | ok |
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| 14:31.00 | Xteven | does anyone by any chance run a 2.6.18.x kernel on an HP proliant DL385 G1 server ? |
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| 14:32.11 | abrotman | if you give me one i will |
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| 14:34.09 | stew | abrotman: you can get one from http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
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| 14:38.40 | abrotman | stew: a proliant? |
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| 14:39.24 | stew | abrotman: no 2.6.18 :) |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | damn you! |
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| 14:40.47 | x_link | Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: |
| 14:40.49 | x_link | klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file' |
| 14:40.53 | abrotman | stop using kde |
| 14:40.57 | x_link | I get that message when I want to open Home |
| 14:41.08 | x_link | Why is that and what is it? |
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| 14:41.54 | moshii | kde isn't as good as windowmaker, but it's not bad ;) |
| 14:42.33 | Xteven | could some 2.6.18 features cause my machine to hang ? my machine boots fine in 2.6.17 and the kernelconfigs are nearly identical |
| 14:42.56 | rumpl | one is a window manager, the other is a desktop, you can't comare them. but windowmaker is better. |
| 14:43.10 | x_link | Anybody ? |
| 14:43.35 | moshii | rumpl: window maker does has desktop-ish features like the dock |
| 14:43.49 | moshii | rumpl: it's not purely a window manage like kwin or something :) |
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| 14:51.23 | abrotman | Xteven: they do change code .. is this a self compiled kernel ? |
| 14:52.56 | Xteven | abrotman : yes |
| 14:53.21 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:53.49 | Xteven | because I need several extra iptables modules and nf-hipac |
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| 14:54.07 | Xteven | but I didn't compile those in, just to make sure they're not causing it |
| 14:54.12 | Xteven | so this is a vanilla kernel |
| 14:54.36 | x_link | Does anybody here use Window Maker? |
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| 14:56.00 | Bombo | hi, i just ran "apt-get update" and got this message: "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
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| 14:56.28 | SlayerXP | Bombo: /topic |
| 14:56.44 | falco_toadfoot | Bombo: gpg --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 && gpg -a --export A70DAF536070D3A1|apt-key add - |
| 14:57.35 | raavi | can any one explain to how make windows partitions visible on Desktop |
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| 14:57.49 | abrotman | ntfs or vfat ? |
| 14:57.57 | raavi | its ntfs |
| 14:58.04 | falco_toadfoot | raavi: symbolically link the mount points |
| 14:58.25 | falco_toadfoot | ln -s <mount point> ~/Desktop/windows_disk |
| 14:58.35 | raavi | okay |
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| 14:59.19 | falco_toadfoot | does anyone know how to add custom options to dhcpd? |
| 14:59.23 | falco_toadfoot | like option-nnn |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | if you put it in your fstab correctly .. should be in there already |
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| 14:59.57 | raavi | I had put in fstab and it mounts... |
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| 15:00.16 | raavi | when I use konqueror to browse folders, it says permission deined for normal user... |
| 15:00.23 | quhan | hi |
| 15:00.24 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 15:00.24 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 15:00.52 | abrotman | raavi: that has nothing to do with your original question |
| 15:01.27 | quhan | who know how to cancel the function: "Alt+MouseLeft to drag the window" in kde??? |
| 15:02.18 | esteel | cancel? release mouse left :) |
| 15:02.48 | quhan | i play the diabloII, I cant use the alt to run:( |
| 15:03.08 | quhan | or means delete this function |
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| 15:03.21 | raavi | I was using Ubuntu previously...there I have those entries on desktop....I guess I am too ignorant in this regard. |
| 15:03.27 | esteel | well i use gnome, there is preferences/windows/movement key.. |
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| 15:03.33 | esteel | guess kde has something similar |
| 15:03.38 | esteel | but i do not use it.. |
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| 15:04.10 | Bombo | thx |
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| 15:04.27 | quhan | kde has a control center |
| 15:04.40 | esteel | quhan: i guess you will find there a similar optin :) |
| 15:05.16 | abrotman | didn't there used to be a browser that would simulate dialup speeds? |
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| 15:06.57 | quhan | esteel: I found "keyboard shortcut" in control center |
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| 15:07.11 | quhan | but I cant set up the mouse key there |
| 15:07.26 | esteel | quhan: why that? try to just remove that binding? |
| 15:07.41 | esteel | sorry, i can just guess as i do not use kde 8-) |
| 15:07.56 | quhan | ok |
| 15:08.06 | quhan | thank same to you |
| 15:08.31 | quhan | is there a kde channel in this irc server? |
| 15:08.43 | moshii | quhan: #kde |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | or #debian-kde |
| 15:09.14 | quhan | thanks! |
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| 15:17.39 | debianos | hello,i need help about the configuration of icecast.xml file...web radio con ubuntu |
| 15:18.31 | Ronin | debianos: #ubuntu then is best |
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| 15:19.12 | debianos | ok ,thanks..but i prefer the debian!!!! |
| 15:19.50 | Ronin | then why "web radio on ubuntu"? |
| 15:19.52 | wols | debianos: you said you run ubuntu |
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| 15:20.01 | wols | so you need to go to #ubuntu |
| 15:20.09 | debianos | yes and Debian-etch! |
| 15:20.18 | moshii | debianos: con ubuntu, with ubuntu? |
| 15:20.52 | debianos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.06 | Ronin | ya they're so close its easy to get the spelling mixed up ;) |
| 15:21.40 | wols | debianos: dpkg -l libc6. what version is libc6 (to see which debian version you run)? |
| 15:21.41 | debianos | please...who knows? |
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| 15:21.59 | wols | but I guess you're happier with some icecast channel |
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| 15:22.30 | debianos | ok....thanks!! |
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| 15:27.20 | Dantix | hi, anyone knows if squidguard.org will be doen for ever? |
| 15:27.47 | abrotman | ask #squid ? |
| 15:28.01 | Dantix | abrotman: ok..thx |
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| 15:30.09 | debianos | hello,i need help about icecast.xml..please? |
| 15:30.10 | Linux_Freek | hi |
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| 15:30.30 | Linux_Freek | each time i reboot my system the gnome volume manager gets muted |
| 15:31.16 | abrotman | stew: are you using the debian horde/imp packages ? |
| 15:31.25 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: hey.. |
| 15:31.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:32.00 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: remember i spoke with u earlier today ? |
| 15:32.00 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: it shouldn't be doing that .. but i think there's something in the BTS abouti t |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: yes i remember |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:32.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:32.29 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: i went to the shop to return the intex network card |
| 15:32.52 | jelly | abrotman: ur funny |
| 15:33.16 | Linux_Freek | then he gave me the intex phone number and i called that guy confirmed that it does not support Linux |
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| 15:33.40 | Linux_Freek | so he said he will give me a intel or dlink lan card tomorrow.. are these supported ? |
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| 15:33.52 | abrotman | jelly: no |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: i *know* netgear FA311 work .. dlink should work too |
| 15:34.12 | DerJamster | dlink gbit cards work with the realtek drivers..same chipset there. |
| 15:34.25 | DerJamster | dunno about any wireless. |
| 15:34.30 | Linux_Freek | ok.. hope they work |
| 15:34.34 | DerJamster | I have a..one sec.. |
| 15:34.36 | Linux_Freek | will tell you once i get the card |
| 15:34.49 | DerJamster | dlinks DGE-528T |
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| 15:35.17 | DerJamster | uses the RTL 8139 chipset. |
| 15:35.26 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: anyway in the Desktop->Preferences->sessions there is an entry gnome-manager --sm -disable |
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| 15:35.44 | Linux_Freek | even if i remove that it automatically adds itself |
| 15:36.09 | Linux_Freek | anyway to remove that |
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| 15:36.53 | Linux_Freek | DerJamster: ok.. i have told the shop guy to make sure it works with Linux 2.6.x kernels. |
| 15:36.58 | moshii | DerJamster: dlink link alsorts of brands of chipsets .. in the same product :? |
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| 15:37.15 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: any idea / |
| 15:37.29 | moshii | DerJamster: like on week their wireless cards are ti based, the next they're something else |
| 15:37.30 | DerJamster | moshii: ..what? :) |
| 15:37.38 | DerJamster | moshii: dunno. Mine's not wireless. |
| 15:38.00 | Linux_Freek | DerJamster: what about intel lan cards ? |
| 15:38.09 | DerJamster | Those work well, AFAIK. |
| 15:38.17 | Linux_Freek | DerJamster: are they supported ? |
| 15:38.26 | DerJamster | By Intel? No idea. |
| 15:38.27 | h3sp4wn | Intel e100 cards work better than anything I have tried |
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| 15:38.36 | Linux_Freek | Oh..ok |
| 15:38.36 | moshii | Linux_Freek: best linux wireless card/driver combo is the raltek in my opinion |
| 15:38.45 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: it's not the session |
| 15:38.49 | moshii | Linux_Freek: wired, 3com :) |
| 15:38.59 | Linux_Freek | i don`t need wireless |
| 15:39.00 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: i almost guarantee you it's an issue with alsa |
| 15:39.06 | Linux_Freek | Oh.. |
| 15:39.13 | Linux_Freek | but there is an entry there.. |
| 15:39.17 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: older ones .. yes .. newer ones not always |
| 15:39.44 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: how do i solve this ? |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | fix it .. check the BTS |
| 15:39.54 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:39.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:40.00 | moshii | Linux_Freek: cheap realtek cards can cause you problems, then intel and 3com ones are generally good and supported |
| 15:40.06 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: gnome-volume-manager --sm-disable |
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| 15:40.15 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I had much less issues with 3 x intel etherexpress 100's - than just using 2 x 8139 realtek (1 onboard 1 pci) |
| 15:40.17 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: wait .. are oyu talking about wired or wireless NIC ? |
| 15:40.19 | Linux_Freek | moshii: thanks buddy |
| 15:40.24 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: NIC |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | wired or wireless ? |
| 15:40.35 | Linux_Freek | i don`t need a wireless |
| 15:40.41 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: yeah .. but the newer ones don't always work |
| 15:40.48 | Linux_Freek | a normal NIC |
| 15:40.49 | abrotman | but when they do! |
| 15:41.01 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: yeah .. i have a pile of cheap FA311 that work juts fine here |
| 15:41.07 | abrotman | like $10 cards |
| 15:41.15 | h3sp4wn | I had to manually change some udev rules to get 2 8139's working together nicely |
| 15:41.42 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: what i had yesterday was $3.88 |
| 15:42.00 | moshii | h3sp4wn: I find realtek cards piss off a lot of network hardware like switches |
| 15:42.03 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: i mean $10 USD .. and that was like 18 months ago i bought the pile |
| 15:42.09 | Linux_Freek | and intel and dlink cost around $4.88 |
| 15:42.21 | Linux_Freek | me too USD |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | i'm just saying if you can get a FA311 .. they work |
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| 15:42.48 | Linux_Freek | god knows what that guy is going to get me.. |
| 15:43.18 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: he said he will arange a lan card |
| 15:43.24 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:43.24 | moshii | Linux_Freek: get one of those quad port 64bit pci cards :) |
| 15:43.28 | amee2k | does openoffice pick up newly installed myspell dictionaries on the fly? |
| 15:43.29 | abrotman | overkill! |
| 15:43.30 | moshii | Linux_Freek: you can never have enough ports |
| 15:43.33 | moshii | :P |
| 15:43.33 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: anyway what about thevolume ? |
| 15:43.40 | abrotman | amee2k: without being restarted ? |
| 15:43.41 | Linux_Freek | moshii: :) |
| 15:43.45 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:43.45 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:43.59 | amee2k | abrotman: yes |
| 15:44.13 | moshii | 5 ethernet ports was great |
| 15:44.17 | clars | I wanna change the net connection port eth0 to eth1 - what file is it I difine it? |
| 15:44.57 | Linux_Freek | heh |
| 15:44.59 | h3sp4wn | clars: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 15:45.22 | h3sp4wn | clars: (on etch or sid) I don't know enough about hotplug/devfs to tell you about sarge |
| 15:45.36 | amee2k | does it? |
| 15:45.37 | clars | h3sp4wn, arge |
| 15:45.42 | clars | sarge |
| 15:45.50 | moshii | anyone in spain want to sell an old SPARC :P |
| 15:46.55 | abrotman | moshii: ask the debian-sparc mailing list .. or check your local Uni |
| 15:47.03 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 15:47.03 | dpkg | well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 15:47.05 | amee2k | moshii: had a look at ebay? |
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| 15:47.20 | abrotman | anysystem.com has decent prices |
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| 15:47.32 | moshii | amee2k: I don't really know any spanish, has a quick search on ebay.es, nada |
| 15:47.35 | DerJamster | there's also newegg |
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| 15:52.11 | abrotman | newegg sells used SPARC equipment ? |
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| 15:53.48 | moshii | I wonder if pc city down the road will have an e10k .. |
| 15:53.54 | h3sp4wn | I am temped by some of the sparc E3500 and above stuff (as the chips have 8mb of cache each and 8 or more cpu's is not uncommon) |
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| 15:54.47 | abrotman | moshii: do you have any idea how much those cost ? |
| 15:55.11 | wols | abrotman: dotcoms sold them for scaprs... |
| 15:55.15 | wols | *scraps |
| 15:55.29 | abrotman | http://www.anysystem.com/sun-enterprise-10000--04-03-.html |
| 15:55.36 | Linux_Freek | is there anyway to solve the sound mixer problem ? |
| 15:55.40 | abrotman | wols: that's fine .. that era ended 6 years ago :) |
| 15:55.51 | wols | abrotman: meaning they should be even cheaper now! |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | wols: 10,000USD isn't too bad considering they used to be 500k + |
| 15:57.14 | wols | Yes they came down in price. OTOH you get a SPARC CPU for your money :P |
| 15:57.23 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:57.56 | Linux_Freek | what is OTOH ? |
| 15:58.00 | abrotman | !otoh |
| 15:58.00 | dpkg | it has been said that otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
| 15:58.43 | Linux_Freek | what`s so great about SPARC anyway ? |
| 15:59.02 | abrotman | wols: there was a day i'd have loved to have had just a piddly 420R |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | wait .. i still would :) |
| 15:59.09 | moshii | Linux_Freek: I don't really care for the cpu, the hardware is just better |
| 15:59.28 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: it's a different architecture .. it's a pretty good architecture |
| 15:59.33 | moshii | Linux_Freek: if a remote machine crashes you can pull it back up over serial |
| 15:59.43 | abrotman | that's not just sparc |
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| 15:59.54 | wols | abrotman: but they production process sucks |
| 16:00.01 | wols | at least nowadays |
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| 16:00.11 | wols | *their |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | wols: perhaps .. i'd still like a newer one :) |
| 16:00.15 | moshii | abrotman: yeah, it's not the only reason I like sun hardware |
| 16:00.31 | lepton | dpkg start an architecture war |
| 16:00.31 | moshii | being able to halt the machine and see the registers etc is fun too :P |
| 16:00.31 | dpkg | i386 is awesome. |
| 16:00.44 | wols | see? dpkg is always right |
| 16:00.52 | Linux_Freek | oh.. |
| 16:00.54 | E-bola | hmm |
| 16:00.56 | moshii | z80 is awesome :) |
| 16:01.01 | E-bola | anybody know of a backport of conntrack for stable? |
| 16:01.02 | Linux_Freek | SPARC is by SUN right ? |
| 16:01.10 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: mostly .. yes |
| 16:01.15 | moshii | Linux_Freek: yeah, there are clones though |
| 16:01.17 | Linux_Freek | and IBM has powerpc |
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| 16:01.24 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: mostly ? |
| 16:01.30 | wols | E-bola:conntrack is in the kernel even since netfilter came in. there is no "backport" |
| 16:01.41 | javaJake | Would you guys mind helping an Ubuntu user who has an ndiswrapper+NetworkManager issue? |
| 16:01.46 | moshii | Linux_Freek: and SGI have MIPS or at least did |
| 16:01.49 | wols | E-bola: why didn't you update to a newer debian kernel ? |
| 16:01.59 | javaJake | (I mean, Ubuntu _is_ a Debian variant.) |
| 16:02.01 | wols | javaJake: yes we do mind |
| 16:02.04 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: fujitsu does SPARC too |
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| 16:02.12 | E-bola | wols: because i cant reboot now |
| 16:02.14 | Linux_Freek | oh.. i didn`t know that |
| 16:02.21 | E-bola | wols: ur missunderstanding |
| 16:02.22 | wols | abrotman: only fujitsu does sparc nowadays. it's where Sun buys its chips now |
| 16:02.22 | javaJake | wols, rats. |
| 16:02.25 | E-bola | conntrack is a commandline utility |
| 16:02.30 | moshii | abrotman: I thought all the SPARC were fabber by fujitsu or TI? |
| 16:02.33 | E-bola | i dont mean ip_conntrack |
| 16:02.35 | moshii | abrotman: fabbed |
| 16:02.38 | abrotman | wols: i meant sells SPARC servers .. i konw sun doesn't make them anymore |
| 16:02.39 | E-bola | conntrack shows u the connection tracking table |
| 16:02.43 | abrotman | moshii: they are now |
| 16:02.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:02.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:03.01 | javaJake | lol! |
| 16:03.05 | abrotman | !lol |
| 16:03.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:03.14 | javaJake | hahahaha |
| 16:03.16 | lepton | javaJake: maybe you'll get more sympathy in #ubuntu |
| 16:03.30 | wols | !tell E-bola about simple sid backport |
| 16:03.57 | wols | lepton: probably he won't get any useful answers there |
| 16:03.58 | javaJake | lepton, only for those who have easy-to-answer questions, and not questions that involve stack-traces like mine. :( |
| 16:03.59 | E-bola | is sid the current testing? |
| 16:04.03 | E-bola | or is it the unstable? |
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| 16:04.09 | javaJake | Aha! Even wols agrees! |
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| 16:04.10 | abrotman | E-bola: no .. debian.org/releases/ |
| 16:04.11 | jjazz | E-bola: sid is always unstable |
| 16:04.22 | abrotman | jjazz: we outbid you! |
| 16:04.22 | javaJake | That's why I'm here. :) |
| 16:04.31 | wols | javaJake: doesn't mean it's the right thing to ask here |
| 16:04.36 | moshii | I'm looking for a decent 68060 based machine too if anyone knows of such a beast.. |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | javaJake: try ##linux or #ubuntu .. this is not the channel for you |
| 16:04.48 | abrotman | moshii: a mac |
| 16:04.51 | jjazz | abrotman: But, we have a plan. Gonna hire the Dice-K killer and bring him back from Japan! |
| 16:04.52 | abrotman | old world mac |
| 16:04.55 | javaJake | Oh, alright. |
| 16:04.57 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 16:04.58 | javaJake | *Sigh*... |
| 16:05.10 | moshii | abrotman: did they get an 060 on the m68k macs? I thought they stopped at 040? |
| 16:05.10 | h3sp4wn | javaJake: also try #ndiswrapper maybe but read the topic first otherwise you will get flamed |
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| 16:05.22 | h3sp4wn | javaJake: And test it without network manager |
| 16:05.23 | abrotman | moshii: this is where you need toresbe |
| 16:05.35 | jjazz | abrotman: It will be just like the "Enrique hits Pedro" days. Except this time it will work! |
| 16:05.43 | abrotman | woohoo! |
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| 16:06.05 | javaJake | h3sp4wn, it works without NM. |
| 16:06.13 | wols | moshii: factory macs yes. but I think there are "upgrades" |
| 16:06.16 | javaJake | Talk to you all at somepoint in future. Bye! |
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| 16:06.49 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68060 |
| 16:07.04 | abrotman | moshii: perhaps not |
| 16:07.08 | moshii | wols: I have a ppc603e/040 amiga at how, it's pretty unstable though. I'm looking for a good machine to donate to the buildd project |
| 16:07.13 | wols | moshii: there are Amiga "Turbocards" with 68060 too... |
| 16:07.17 | moshii | wols: *at home |
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| 16:09.22 | abrotman | moshii: for m68k ? |
| 16:09.31 | abrotman | moshii: are you in the states ? |
| 16:09.42 | moshii | abrotman: nope, costa del sol |
| 16:09.59 | moshii | abrotman: then machine would be running in my house |
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| 16:10.09 | abrotman | so i guess free macs from craigslist is no good eh ? |
| 16:11.00 | E-bola | wols: i get E: Build-Depends dependency for conntrack cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 16:11.07 | E-bola | trying to follow ur sugestion |
| 16:12.55 | BrainDead | wow, 25 million people died since aids was discovered 25 years ago. That's 1million a year ... 2,740 people a day die from aids... damn |
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| 16:14.54 | fasta | glxgears used to show the number of fps. Now it doesn't anymore. Why? Is there another tool to "benchmark" (yes, I know glxgears isn't a good benchmark). |
| 16:15.13 | wols | fasta: try -fps as a cmdline parameter |
| 16:15.32 | fasta | wols: there's no manual page and no --help option, so I couldn't find it. Thanks |
| 16:15.51 | fasta | wols: Warrning: unknown parameter: -fps |
| 16:15.55 | karsten | Any idea what Debian's equivalent to RHEL's /sbin/initlog (from RHEL4's initscripts package) is? |
| 16:16.04 | fasta | wols: try again please |
| 16:16.23 | karsten | I'm trying to adapt a program and its init scripts to Debian. |
| 16:16.32 | fasta | karsten: bootlog? |
| 16:16.36 | fasta | karsten: wild guess |
| 16:16.50 | wols | -printfps according to some goolging |
| 16:16.52 | karsten | fasta: initlog is used to invoke the daemon itself. |
| 16:16.54 | wireddd | BrainDead, this really isn't the place |
| 16:17.07 | karsten | fasta: I'm seeing an init script rewrite in my future. |
| 16:18.13 | abrotman | fasta: -printfps |
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| 16:18.21 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 16:18.21 | dpkg | from memory, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
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| 16:18.45 | fasta | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:20.34 | pipeline | moshii, abrotman : I don't think MacOS will boot on '060, even if you somehow shoehorned one into a Macintosh :P |
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| 16:21.27 | pipeline | abrotman, wols : Sun still designs SPARC chips. They never produced them themselves. And both Sun and Fujitsu sell SPARC servers. |
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| 16:22.54 | pipeline | moshii: ANd no, your local used computer shop will never have E10ks. You practically HAVE to have a support contract on'em, because they're not exactly the most reliable things in the world. |
| 16:23.27 | String-UK | anyone help with a new install/boot problem? Its hanging on "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." and just giving up dropping to a shell. testing release install |
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| 16:23.34 | pipeline | moshii: Or so I've heard -- the largest Sun machines I deal with are 4-8 way. |
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| 16:24.25 | wols | pipeline: those many CPU push down the MTBF a lot? |
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| 16:27.48 | pipeline | wols: The processors don't fail, the various boards do. I don't know why. Maybe they're just the ragged edge of engineering or something, no commoditization to drive down price, drive up reliability. Just guessing. |
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| 16:28.21 | pipeline | wols: SGI Origin 2xxx servers tend to have node boards go bad, too, but those are so cheap that it hardly matters. |
| 16:28.22 | Plouj | is there a way to install debian on a machine without a monitor? |
| 16:29.12 | pipeline | Plouj: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch05s02.html.en |
| 16:29.23 | pipeline | Plouj: D'oh, not the sparc version. |
| 16:29.24 | cydork | Plouj: you can use preseed i guess.. |
| 16:29.36 | pipeline | Plouj: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en |
| 16:29.40 | pipeline | Plouj: You need a serial console. |
| 16:30.12 | pipeline | Plouj: That is, you need to be able to pass the appropriate arguments to the kernel to start the installer with a serial console, and your PC BIOS has to support the ability to have the bootloader do serial console I/O |
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| 16:30.26 | wols | pipeline: didn't the E10k design come from SGI originally? |
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| 16:30.48 | pipeline | wols: Its ancestor did. |
| 16:31.03 | pipeline | wols: The cray4d arch, CS4600 and friends. |
| 16:31.06 | wols | ah, Cray |
| 16:31.13 | jerome | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.13 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 16:31.13 | pipeline | wols: 32 bit SPARC+Solaris, 64 processors. |
| 16:31.17 | jerome | ouch |
| 16:31.18 | wols | yes. Cray, SGI. all the same people :) |
| 16:31.46 | abrotman | pipeline: they used to |
| 16:32.08 | wireddd | what should I use to test a piece of ram? |
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| 16:32.17 | pipeline | abrotman: Sun never manufactured SPARCs. Ever. Even engineering samples are made by TI, IIRC. |
| 16:32.29 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 16:32.35 | abrotman | you also think windows is good! |
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| 16:32.57 | Ronin | abrotman: i like windows |
| 16:33.04 | pipeline | abrotman: Whoops, I'm wrong. The very first SPARCs were produced by Fujitsu. |
| 16:33.09 | cydork | abrotman: it isn't? :P |
| 16:33.13 | Ronin | they let the sun shine in, i get to watch the world go by |
| 16:33.22 | abrotman | see .. he lies! |
| 16:33.58 | wols | pipeline: nowadays Fujitsu makes the Sun CPUs since TI can't deliver good enough ones |
| 16:34.00 | pipeline | abrotman: Actually, it looks like TI didn't start making the SPARCs until SuperSPARC era. |
| 16:34.05 | wols | or Sun can't design good enough ones. dunno which |
| 16:34.11 | pipeline | wols: That's the big change |
| 16:34.23 | pipeline | wols: Sun has cut a deal with Fuji to start selling Fuji *designed* chips and systems. |
| 16:34.46 | pipeline | wols: Sun isn't going to stop designing SPARC chips entirely, but they shitcanned their biggest project. |
| 16:34.49 | wols | wow. The end will come soon I guess |
| 16:35.09 | wols | isn't niagara their biggest project? |
| 16:35.12 | pipeline | wols: I doubt that very strongly. The top-end Fuji SPARC chips are competitive with Itanium and POWER. Not great, but not far behind. |
| 16:35.34 | pipeline | wols: Niagara is the biggest one now, because Rock, their next-generation high-speed core, was shitcanned after the Fuji deal. |
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| 16:36.02 | abrotman | !tell jokker_fr about away |
| 16:36.32 | pipeline | Whoa, here's something I never knew: LSI Logic used to make SPARCs :D |
| 16:36.50 | wols | pipeline: I meant Sun. They just can't compete with economies of scale in the long term with SPARC imho |
| 16:37.03 | pipeline | wols: No, that's why they stopped wasting money on it. |
| 16:37.13 | chjunior | guys, somebody know that site of a japan guy who provides ISO images of Debian installers with native kernel 2.6.18 ? |
| 16:37.26 | pipeline | wols: Solaris is still killer; the E10k+ series are still competitive with HP and IBM offerings. |
| 16:37.30 | cydork | chjunior: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 16:37.48 | pipeline | wols: And the Fujitsu systems are fucking monsters, so when Suns current midrange products run out of steam, they won't exactly be up a creek. |
| 16:37.56 | wols | pipeline: Linux _will_ eat Sun's lunch on solaris |
| 16:38.31 | wols | solaris is a drain, not a profit center |
| 16:38.36 | pipeline | wols: ...and yet Solaris remains extremely popular, and has been hurt less than the other old-line UNIX systems. |
| 16:39.05 | wols | yes it does. but all others are mostly legacy by now |
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| 16:39.28 | wols | and I doN#t see that deflecting the devlopment cost via OpenSOlaris has been too successful either |
| 16:39.33 | pipeline | wols: That's my point. Solaris has not been relegated to the "Legacy" bin. Its marketshare is stable. |
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| 16:39.39 | PaSurf | How would I open a PDF from the command line in Debian? Is there such a thing? |
| 16:39.53 | pipeline | wols: OpenSolaris doesn't deflect any cost at all. Much like Linux, all the heavy lifting is done by large companies. |
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| 16:40.04 | chjunior | cydork, is not the backport... the problem is that the current debian installer doesn't recognizes my SATA II hd... my chipset is nForce430 |
| 16:40.06 | pipeline | wols: in this case, Sun. OpenSolaris is just a window on Sun's internal development, really. |
| 16:40.15 | wols | pipeline: with linux its tons of big companies. with solaris, it's one company |
| 16:40.25 | h3sp4wn | If opensolaris was gpl'ed (and could get the hardware support of linux) I would probably use it ZFS is better than anything linux has |
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| 16:41.02 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: What a bizarre precondition. |
| 16:41.17 | cydork | chjunior: this is that jp site http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 16:41.25 | wols | h3sp4wn: why not hope for windows being GPLed. it would wipe the floor with linux |
| 16:41.26 | chjunior | yeah! |
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| 16:41.31 | chjunior | thanks cydork |
| 16:41.39 | cydork | PaSurf: you mean like pdftotext? |
| 16:41.48 | pipeline | wols: *shrug*. Sun remains somewhat profitable. I'm not jumping up to buy up as much stock as I can, but I'm disinclined to sell out, either, as the firm remains in good health with not-terrible future prospects. |
| 16:41.52 | Linux_Freek | where can i find the binary iso images for debian unstable / |
| 16:41.58 | pipeline | Linux_Freek: There are none. |
| 16:41.59 | cydork | Linux_Freek: you cant. |
| 16:42.10 | Linux_Freek | not the business card or netinst |
| 16:42.16 | Ronin | Linux_Freek: you still cant |
| 16:42.16 | Linux_Freek | Oh.. |
| 16:42.25 | h3sp4wn | wols: Why would it - there is some things that are better about Solaris or BSD than linux one being they are consistant |
| 16:42.36 | Linux_Freek | why ? There is not official iso for unstable ? |
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| 16:43.00 | Linux_Freek | not = no |
| 16:43.16 | Ronin | Linux_Freek: that is correct |
| 16:43.23 | wols | Linux_Freek: cause it's not stable. useless to freeze it in time with an ISO |
| 16:43.24 | Linux_Freek | Oh..ok |
| 16:43.36 | wols | there are new packages in unstable every day, every hour |
| 16:43.36 | Linux_Freek | Fine.. Thanks guys |
| 16:43.38 | Linux_Freek | bye |
| 16:43.39 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: Heh, that indicates little BSD experience. The kernel internals on all three BSDs get pretty nasty. And the documentation is perpetually non-existent or out of date, much like Linux. |
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| 16:43.59 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: In this day and age, the only interesting thing left in the BSD derivatives is pf. |
| 16:44.17 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: And pf can fuck right off, too, now that you can get a firewall applianec that has 1/10th the setup time and only about double the cost :P |
| 16:45.02 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: Never dealt with kernel internals just using it for webservers |
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| 16:45.46 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: The userland has been consistant more than I have experienced with linux |
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| 16:46.57 | wondr | has anyone ever talked about making a debian solaris distro? |
| 16:47.11 | wondr | or at least an apt-like add on package |
| 16:47.13 | fflush | wondr: aff |
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| 16:47.19 | fflush | you are late |
| 16:47.24 | pipeline | wondr: There are people working on the former (nexenta), but no project for the latter has ever been completed. |
| 16:47.41 | pipeline | wondr: Solaris uses standard System V packaging, but no one has ever ported Apt to that. |
| 16:48.06 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: heh, legacy BSD tools more consistent than the GNU suite? :P |
| 16:48.16 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: I love that the GNU suite of tools tend to take similar arguments and argument formats :X |
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| 16:49.02 | wondr | fflush: i googled aff+debian and aff+solaris and didnt see anything obvious. whats aff? |
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| 16:49.04 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: stuff like --wildcards being implied by tar and then just being changed breaking scripts |
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| 16:49.38 | fflush | serach for nexenta as suggetse dby pipeline |
| 16:50.02 | wondr | doh, thx |
| 16:50.22 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Single-feature benefit of $RANDOM_OS usually isn't a globally compelling switch justification. |
| 16:51.07 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: ... the GNU documentation is clear about which switches are about to be fucked over. And if you use SysV switches all the time, it's not an issue :) |
| 16:51.30 | karsten | h3sp4wn: You're locking in to a single vendor, restricting yourself to a small set of apps ported (vs. 20k+ for Debian), management tools are vastly more primitive, as is default userland, and you're restricted to two architectures (SPARC, x86), limiting ability to unify (largely) on a single platform at all levels. |
| 16:51.42 | pipeline | wondr: Nexenta is kind of a joke, anyway. IIRC, they never really got any technical people in on it :P |
| 16:51.48 | karsten | pipeline: Sun remains highly *un*profitable ATM IIRC. |
| 16:51.50 | pipeline | wondr: I don't really see the point of having Debian wrapped around a Solaris kernel when I could just have a complete Solaris system. |
| 16:52.19 | pipeline | karsten: Yes, in that they don't return profits. But their margins are fine. Lots of miscellaneous costs pop up. *shrug* |
| 16:52.29 | karsten | pipeline: PE == -21 and change. |
| 16:52.34 | pipeline | karsten: And I wouldn't say "highly" unprofitable. They're not bleeding seas of red or anything. |
| 16:52.36 | fflush | solaris+pkgsrc |
| 16:52.46 | fflush | you will have all the packages you will ever need |
| 16:52.47 | pipeline | fflush: pkgsrc is not comparable to debian packaging :P |
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| 16:52.52 | fflush | bah |
| 16:52.54 | wondr | pipeline: the problem i always face is if i want to put an open source tool on a solaris box, or worse if i have to develop code on solaris which depends on oss tools, its always a major pita getting everything installed properly |
| 16:52.56 | karsten | pipeline: Um. Profits are revenues less expenses. I don't know what universe your math comes from, but in mine, they're running a loss. |
| 16:53.17 | fflush | in what sense? |
| 16:53.26 | pipeline | karsten: Their margins are OK. That is to say, they're making money on their sales, enough to cover basic expenses. Various accounting tomfoolery and one-time costs have caused losses. |
| 16:53.35 | wols | pipeline: and the worst is: they have been running in the red for quite a long time now. if it were a quarter or two: not great, but ok |
| 16:53.41 | karsten | pipeline: $864m loss on $13b revenues. |
| 16:53.42 | wols | but they've been bleeding years now |
| 16:54.24 | karsten | pipeline: And if you've been around the industry for any time, that's not a good long-term proposition. SGI, DEC, Compaq, HP, ... |
| 16:54.24 | wondr | modpython for instance, is a pita in general, but i cant get it to link at all on solaris, it would be nice if working pkgs were available, and also if i didnt have to hunt them down and install them individually. automated dependency resolution & installation saves a lot of time in RAD environment. |
| 16:55.01 | wondr | with debian i can go from a base install to everything i need in 10-20 minutes depending on what im doing |
| 16:55.15 | fflush | wondr: ever tried pkgsrc on solaris? |
| 16:55.16 | wondr | with solaris it takes hours or days depending on the build problems i run into |
| 16:55.18 | wondr | no |
| 16:55.23 | pipeline | karsten: O_O what |
| 16:55.35 | fflush | wondr: www.pkgsrc.org |
| 16:55.41 | wondr | have you had good experiences w it? |
| 16:55.45 | karsten | pipeline: I see "Sellin / General / Admin expenses" as the largest single cost item. R&D is 543, unusual is 244, 3 quarters ending 2006 06 30 |
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| 16:56.12 | karsten | pipeline: All cases of tech companies stumbling and never picking up the ball. |
| 16:56.16 | fflush | works great |
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| 16:56.22 | fflush | give it a try |
| 16:56.23 | karsten | pipeline: Unusual expenses are only 25% of total loss. |
| 16:56.26 | wondr | fflush: checking it out now, thanks! |
| 16:56.28 | pipeline | karsten: I'm looking at their spreadsheet for "operating analysis" and I'm not seeing a sea of red. |
| 16:56.29 | wols | karsten: HP is kinda debateable... |
| 16:56.34 | pipeline | karsten: 1.8% loss |
| 16:56.48 | pipeline | wondr: Start using blastwave packages, silly. |
| 16:57.01 | karsten | pipeline: Since when is "losing a little money" "profit!"? |
| 16:57.11 | saskwach | Hi, I just did a pretty fresh install of Sid and when I run emacs in X, I get two warnings about converting courier and helvetica to FontStruct and the screen is full of blocky unreadable characters. Anyone know what I have to install to fix this? |
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| 16:57.12 | pipeline | wondr: They don't have debian's sophisticated packaging, but it'll at least resolve dependencies and download / install them for you |
| 16:57.20 | pipeline | karsten: I didn't say they were turning a solid profit, I said their margins looked OK. |
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| 16:57.48 | zinx | karsten: (1) web 3.0 (2) ???? (3) Success!! ? |
| 16:57.51 | karsten | 1. Do business. 2. Lose 2% of revenues anually. 3. Apply pipeline logic. 4. Profit!!! |
| 16:57.52 | pipeline | karsten: They're still selling, they're still turning a profit on their sales. Cutting costs would be enough to bring the company into the black, but they continue to spend money on R&D instead, hoping to increase future sales. Strikes me as eminently reasonable :P |
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| 16:58.40 | karsten | pipeline: I didn't say it's unreasonable. I said it wasn't profitable. And they've been running a loss for some years. They have cash+assets to sustain that for a while, but it *isn't* profit. |
| 16:58.43 | PaSurf | cydork: not sure on program, but saw it done before. Is that a .deb package? |
| 16:58.57 | pipeline | karsten: I didn't say it was, damnit. >:( |
| 16:58.59 | karsten | pipeline: They're up against MSFT, IBM, and Linux (in general) none of which have that problem. |
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| 16:59.41 | pipeline | karsten: IBM is a much larger and better diversified firm. |
| 16:59.50 | cydork | PaSurf: it comes with xpdf-utils i think.. /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:00.11 | karsten | 08:41 < pipeline> wols: *shrug*. Sun remains somewhat profitable. I'm not |
| 17:00.17 | karsten | pipeline: You didn't? |
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| 17:00.32 | g333k_work | Hi, I want to create simm links from ws002.ltsp till ws100.ltsp, I did this script but it creates ws2.ltsp ws3.ltsp ..... " for i in `seq 001 100`; do ln -s ws001.ltsp ws$i.ltsp done" any clue? |
| 17:00.47 | karsten | g333k_work: s/simm/sym/ |
| 17:01.00 | pipeline | karsten: I said "I wouldn't say 'highly' unprofitable' :P |
| 17:01.20 | karsten | pipeline: I just posted what you said. Interesting reality you're in. |
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| 17:01.44 | pipeline | karsten: Profitable for the investor. |
| 17:01.57 | pipeline | karsten: Sun doesn't charge ME a reverse dividend when they lose money, dude :P |
| 17:02.14 | leninmhs | lenny comming soon |
| 17:02.16 | karsten | pipeline: Nothing personal, but I _really_ try to avoide insisting on being wrong. |
| 17:02.31 | wols | karsten: what he means is Sun pulls a Amazon ca. 2004 or so: they still posted losses but only due to various investments. If they wanted to cut them, they could have posted a profit |
| 17:02.56 | leninmhs | i think that etch->stable maybe 02/2007 |
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| 17:03.10 | wols | same with Sun. but imho that ignores the fundamental problems Sun has |
| 17:03.12 | pipeline | karsten: I was talking about my personal finances when I said "remains profitable". When was the last time they posted a profit two quarters in a row? 2003? Shit, that's blindingly obvious :P |
| 17:03.15 | wols | and those are fundamental ones |
| 17:03.25 | karsten | wols: I sense goalposts moving wildly all over the field. They're currently at fourth an inches. Unfortunately, that's not the rules in _my_ game. |
| 17:05.18 | cydork | g333k_work: use seq -w 1 100 |
| 17:05.39 | g333k_work | let me try |
| 17:06.31 | g333k_work | cydork, nothing |
| 17:07.21 | cydork | g333k_work: not possible .. -w is should add the leading zeros.. |
| 17:07.29 | cydork | s/is// |
| 17:07.46 | g333k_work | cydork, I want the files named like ws001 ws002 ws003 but the command I did cut the left zeros and creates ws1 ws2 ws3 instead |
| 17:08.08 | pipeline | karsten: Well, don't play. I have some level of confidence in Sun, I put my money where my fat mouth is. You don't, you voted with your feet and you're not invested in them :P |
| 17:08.50 | buscon | does anybody know a tool for convert .rtf files to txt ? |
| 17:09.29 | g333k_work | cydork, this is my script http://pastebin.ca/263552 (I Added the -w you told me) |
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| 17:10.09 | Coweater | buscon: unrtf, there's probably others |
| 17:10.14 | cydork | g333k_work: hrmm works here. for i in `seq -w 1 100`;do echo test$i;done |
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| 17:10.37 | smhar | hi all |
| 17:10.38 | buscon | Coweater, thank you |
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| 17:11.22 | Coweater | buscon: catdoc might be a bit simpler for plaintext, unrtf does some extras like html conversion |
| 17:11.52 | g333k_work | cydork, it worked!!! I had to erase the leading zeros |
| 17:12.10 | smhar | after too much trouble with the kernel I decided to compile a new one. Now that the process is completed I edited grup to include the new custom kernel, but there is no initrd.img to include.. is this ok? |
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| 17:12.58 | wols | smhar: use make-kpkg to compile your kernel |
| 17:13.14 | wols | that way you get a kernel .deb you can install (and uninstall) |
| 17:13.41 | wols | and depending on your kernel config, a initrd image might not be needed. but depends on your config |
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| 17:14.47 | g333k_work | cydork, How to do the same thing to create users from ws001 to ws100 with the same password as their name? |
| 17:14.57 | smhar | wols: I apt-get installed the kernel sources which I think include all the patches from debian, but I did a normal make, make install, make modules_install process, should I do make kpkg after that or 'instead of that" |
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| 17:15.58 | smhar | wols: I don't want to wait again for the compile :-( |
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| 17:16.28 | saskwach | Hi, I just did a pretty fresh install of Sid and when I run emacs in X, I get two warnings about converting courier and helvetica to FontStruct and the screen is full of blocky unreadable characters. Anyone know what I have to install to fix this? |
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| 17:19.00 | wols | smhar: instead. |
| 17:19.05 | wols | and it's worth it, believe me |
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| 17:19.06 | smhar | wols: and do you mean make-jpkg as I do not have make kpkg? |
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| 17:19.15 | wols | doesn't take too long now that most of the object files are already there |
| 17:19.31 | wols | no I mean make-kpkg. -jpkg is java stuff. nothing for you |
| 17:19.50 | smhar | wols: so I need to apt-get that first |
| 17:20.01 | wols | !tell smhar about kernel-package |
| 17:20.41 | smhar | thanks wols, alot |
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| 17:22.10 | jazbo2185 | what command will scrape the two inch thick ice off of my car? |
| 17:22.11 | fasta | How can I see with what options a certain package available via debian.org was compiled? |
| 17:22.12 | jerome | hum, debootstrap sid doesn't provide console-data :/ |
| 17:22.34 | jerome | silly deboostrap. |
| 17:22.38 | fasta | jazbo2185: we are not in 2185 yet |
| 17:22.40 | wols | fasta:apt-get the source and look in debian/ |
| 17:22.45 | h3sp4wn | jerome: running the sid version of debootstrap |
| 17:22.46 | cydork | g333k_work: useradd has a -password option afaik |
| 17:22.55 | wols | fasta: he was born in 2185 and is a time traveler |
| 17:22.57 | jerome | h3sp4wn: yep. |
| 17:23.01 | fasta | wols: getting the whole source is a bit of a lot of work |
| 17:23.21 | fasta | wols: can't I only get the package description? |
| 17:23.26 | jerome | h3sp4wn: I use a sid box to install a sid distro on a usb disk for another laptop. |
| 17:23.42 | wols | fasta: you already have the description after your apt-get update |
| 17:23.52 | jerome | maybe I should do the network way ... |
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| 17:24.14 | jerome | I don't have any cdburner to fetch an iso :/ |
| 17:24.19 | fasta | wols: Never mind... |
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| 17:26.24 | smhar | wols: can I just do a make-kpkg or do I need to do the whole kp mantra things? as I do not have a working gpm |
| 17:27.00 | smhar | wols: and I can not type the whold thing without mistakes |
| 17:27.06 | smhar | wols: :-) |
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| 17:27.32 | saskwach | Is there a linux-source package for 2.6.18-3 hiding somewhere? How do I get the sources for my currently running (stock) kernel? |
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| 17:29.46 | cydork | !info linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 17:29.52 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.18: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18-6 (sid), Packaged size: 40923 kB, Installed size: 41020 kB |
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| 17:31.23 | saskwach | Right, but I'm running linux-image-2.6.18-k7 (which is 2.6.18-3, not -6) and want the appropriate sources. Do I have to wait for the linux-image package to be updated? |
| 17:31.27 | mitch | hi, i've just installed debian, it's using kernel 2.4, while trying to install the nvidia drivers it says i need the kernel source installed, so i did apt-get install kernel-source-xxx and kernel-image etc, but the nvidia installer is still asking for version.h - what do i need to install? :) |
| 17:31.55 | slept | i am trying to use uswsusp, but it generates an error which disapears to quick to read ... i tried s2disk 2>logfile but that didn't help any suggestions |
| 17:32.35 | cydork | !tell mitch -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:33.13 | cydork | saskwach: this is source for all of then just use oldconfig.. and then make changes |
| 17:33.27 | saskwach | mmkay |
| 17:33.28 | saskwach | thanks |
| 17:34.19 | runa_ | hello. I have installed xboard but it does not work properly. It says " X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) |
| 17:34.19 | runa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.19 | runa_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.52 | runa_ | hello. I have installed xboard but it does not work properly. It says "X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) " |
| 17:36.58 | runa_ | Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) |
| 17:37.39 | jerome | Hum where could i find some official doc about installing debian the exotic way (hard disk, network, etc) ?? |
| 17:37.52 | jerome | the installation seems pretty poor. |
| 17:37.58 | jerome | +manual |
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| 17:39.04 | jerome | my 2¢, I misread the TOC. *shame* |
| 17:39.51 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone i have debian etch , the links for repos in my sourcelist are here http://rafb.net/paste/results/E7eqP783.html i cannot find opera there....basically I need opera ...is there a place where i can get its .deb packge? |
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| 17:40.19 | saskwach | khaleel5000: try opera's web site, last I checked they distributed a .deb file. |
| 17:40.43 | khaleel5000 | saskwach, woo thanks.... |
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| 17:43.18 | dafe | hi all |
| 17:43.25 | khaleel5000 | dafe, hi |
| 17:43.37 | dafe | can somebody nslookup www.samat.gob.ve and tells me the ip address? |
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| 17:44.31 | simmerz | how do i find out what version of a particular package is currently installed? |
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| 17:45.08 | cydork | simmerz: dpkg -l <package name> |
| 17:46.14 | khaleel5000 | dafe, i think its 150.188.4.200 found it by ping samat.gov.ve ping didnot find any thing for samat.gob.ve |
| 17:46.49 | mitch | cydork thanks for that, how do i add contrib and non-free sources? |
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| 17:47.23 | khaleel5000 | saskwach, yeah they have packages for lots of distros including Debian , also different for etch , sid etc (i think coz they asked which distro) |
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| 17:47.33 | khaleel5000 | blondie, ve = venusvela i think |
| 17:47.53 | blondie | venezuela |
| 17:48.00 | blondie | :) |
| 17:48.04 | simmerz | cydork: trhanks |
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| 17:48.35 | lola | hey! has anybody here installed debian on a macbook? |
| 17:48.36 | cydork | !tell mitch -about non-free sources |
| 17:49.58 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 17:49.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:50.27 | wols | lola: it's a bog standard intel based notebook |
| 17:50.35 | wols | with efi |
| 17:50.57 | lola | wols, yeah ;) |
| 17:51.15 | secher | I need to downgrade from php5.2 to php5.1.6 or less. The 5.1.6 debs are in /pool, but they are not available via apt-get even with apt-get install php-common_5.1.6-5, which responds that there is no such critter. |
| 17:51.19 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.32 | lola | wols, but Im having problems with grub on my debian partition |
| 17:51.36 | wols | secher: dpkg -i |
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| 17:51.39 | wols | !downgrade |
| 17:51.39 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:51.53 | wols | lola: don't think you can use grub. probably have to use lilo |
| 17:52.16 | secher | wols: hence the second of my 2 posts. |
| 17:52.42 | wols | use a dummy package that provides php 5.2 |
| 17:52.59 | wols | lola: I think elilo was it |
| 17:53.19 | lola | wols, allright Ill try elilo |
| 17:53.22 | lola | thanx |
| 17:54.03 | wols | lola: there are some howtos, doN't need a debian specific one since the kernel boot process is the same for all linux |
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| 17:54.58 | cydork | secher: use snapshot.debian.net |
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| 17:55.17 | blondie | lunix |
| 17:55.26 | bbelt16ag | where are the w32codecs in the etch repo? |
| 17:55.34 | bbelt16ag | i can play wmv files |
| 17:55.40 | bbelt16ag | no mplayer either |
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| 17:56.17 | blondie | I doubt there are any |
| 17:56.27 | blondie | and mplayer isn't in etch |
| 17:56.28 | bbelt16ag | why? |
| 17:56.31 | cydork | bbelt16ag: use marillat repo |
| 17:56.33 | huhlig | hey |
| 17:56.35 | cydork | !mplayer |
| 17:56.35 | dpkg | mplayer is probably in Debian (sid). But maybe you want to use vlc or xine instead? Feel free to also see <marillat>, <mplayer faq>, <w32codecs>. Or look at "http://www.debian-multimedia.org/". |
| 17:56.36 | lola | wols, I dont see why grub shouldnt work though, I get the error message /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly |
| 17:56.37 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 17:56.40 | huhlig | can I borrow everyones brain a moment |
| 17:57.00 | blondie | no |
| 17:57.00 | huhlig | what company uses a sideways power sign to represent a lower case e in their logo |
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| 17:57.19 | yang | Which is a good tool for measuring disk drive speeds? |
| 17:57.25 | huhlig | c- |
| 17:57.49 | mitch | cydork thanks again, it's saying 'Warning! /usr/src/linux-source-2.4.27 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!1' |
| 17:58.29 | cydork | mitch: is it warning or error?? :P |
| 17:58.41 | mitch | it's an error hehe |
| 17:59.28 | secher | Ok, I'll attack this another way. I purged all of php and phpgroupware. I dpkg -i'ed php5.1.6. I am trying to apt-get phpgroupware again, but apt wants to upgrade php5 back to 5.2, which has a fatal conflict. How can I tell apt to /not/ upgrade particular packages? |
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| 17:59.28 | mitch | at the top it says module-assistant, error message |
| 17:59.28 | secher | essentially break the dependencies. |
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| 18:00.12 | cydork | mitch: hmm that's strange .. did you add anything? |
| 18:00.18 | cydork | secher: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:00.27 | secher | cydork: thanks |
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| 18:01.14 | atp | what is the situation iwth non-us.debian.org ... are there still packages there? it seems like when i update i always get 404s on those files |
| 18:01.28 | cydork | !non-us |
| 18:01.28 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 18:01.49 | atp | ah, thanks cydork |
| 18:01.57 | mitch | cydork yes i apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.... -image- and -build- |
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| 18:03.40 | Skiver | Venezuela |
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| 18:07.20 | cydork | mitch: hmm that's weird |
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| 18:07.59 | mitch | did i install the source incorrectly maybe? i made sure the version numbers were correct to the kernel version with uname -a |
| 18:08.39 | mitch | the nvidia installer still says it can't find version.h |
| 18:09.47 | cydork | mitch: dont use the stupid nvidia installer.. |
| 18:10.08 | mitch | ok :) |
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| 18:10.35 | cydork | mitch: now check if you see dpkg -l|grep kernel-source |
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| 18:12.49 | binary | hi |
| 18:13.17 | binary | can anybody point me in the right direction as to what to do about NVIDIA drivers |
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| 18:13.40 | fken | could someone tell me about nvidia installer ? |
| 18:13.44 | biz | hello, is there a way to redirect the output of the mplayerplugin for firefox on a second DISPLAY? (e.g :0.1 is my tv). i'd like to see streamed video in fullscreen on my tv rather than within a page. any ideas? |
| 18:13.44 | cydork | binary: which version of debian? |
| 18:13.45 | fken | !nvidia |
| 18:13.45 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 18:13.46 | lola | wols: why do you answer with a guess |
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| 18:14.01 | lola | elilo is the only bootloader that doesnt work :/ |
| 18:14.02 | binary | etch |
| 18:14.15 | binary | currently it wont let me install the driver using module assitant |
| 18:14.20 | binary | because of that security hole |
| 18:14.29 | binary | so im just wondering how the hell I get 3d working |
| 18:14.37 | cydork | !etch nvidia |
| 18:14.37 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 18:14.39 | binary | without resorting to running the NVIDIA .run |
| 18:14.42 | lola | *sigh* :( |
| 18:14.48 | azeem | binary: paste the error message on a pastebin |
| 18:14.49 | azeem | !paste |
| 18:14.49 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:14.55 | azeem | maybe somebody can help you then |
| 18:15.04 | lola | anybody who _really_ dual boots with osx? |
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| 18:18.13 | mitch | cydork it says 'ii kernel-source- 2.4.27-10sarge Linux kernel source for .... i did uname -a and it says i've got 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 18:18.58 | binary | `can http://people.debian.org be used as a source list? |
| 18:19.06 | binary | i.e. a line in sources.list |
| 18:19.13 | zamaliphe | how can i check if the aiglx have been loaded or not ? |
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| 18:19.35 | azeem | binary: there might some repos by various DDs on people.debian.org |
| 18:19.44 | cydork | binary: or you can use those packages from unstable i guess |
| 18:19.47 | azeem | binary: but you shouldn't add those unless you really know what you are doing |
| 18:20.14 | binary | well i definatley dont know what im doing |
| 18:20.19 | binary | i hav just moved from slackware to debian |
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| 18:20.25 | binary | and so i know nothing about how debian |
| 18:20.26 | cydork | mitch: that should be work then.. :) |
| 18:20.26 | binary | repos work |
| 18:20.35 | azeem | binary: they just work. |
| 18:20.43 | azeem | no need to add additional ones |
| 18:20.45 | binary | what work? |
| 18:20.54 | azeem | repos work |
| 18:21.01 | mitch | hmmm |
| 18:21.05 | binary | what repos |
| 18:21.12 | binary | how do u know what repos i am using? |
| 18:21.25 | azeem | I don't |
| 18:21.27 | binary | ok |
| 18:21.29 | binary | gd |
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| 18:21.39 | binary | but all i want to do is get my NVIDIA drivers working |
| 18:21.43 | azeem | I'm saying the standard repo is working fine, and usually there should be no need to add others |
| 18:21.44 | binary | its not this much hard work in slackware |
| 18:21.55 | binary | so why am i having problems with this |
| 18:22.01 | azeem | binary: I don't think you told us the error message yet |
| 18:22.07 | azeem | we can't see it |
| 18:22.18 | binary | oh but they hav removed the NVIDIA dirvers coz of the insecurity |
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| 18:22.24 | binary | so how do i get them working |
| 18:22.24 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks, I'd like to allow someone to ssh to one of my boxes but then be restricted to one directory (i.e. they can't see into or write in other directories). Can someone point me in the right direction on this? |
| 18:22.35 | mitch | cydork maybe i could fix this by upgrading to 2.6? |
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| 18:22.50 | azeem | binary: you are running testing? |
| 18:22.58 | binary | yes i am running testing |
| 18:23.08 | azeem | you could try to use the one from unstable maybe |
| 18:23.11 | cydork | mitch: you can upgrade to 2.6 but that might break somethings if you are using sata.. |
| 18:23.14 | binary | how do i do that? |
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| 18:23.39 | azeem | !quick etch/sid mix |
| 18:23.39 | dpkg | methinks quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than etch as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages |
| 18:23.42 | azeem | binary: ^^ |
| 18:23.45 | mitch | cydork yeah, i've got sata2 |
| 18:24.03 | shwag | Is there any ways for me to build my debian install via source, like gentoo does ? |
| 18:24.12 | cydork | mitch: /msg dpkg 2.4->2.6 |
| 18:24.16 | azeem | binary: obviously one shouldn't install unstable packages unless absolutely necessary |
| 18:24.18 | mitch | i tthink i messed up somewhere installing the kernel source |
| 18:24.27 | cydork | shwag: there is apt-build but why do you wanna do that? |
| 18:24.37 | binary | well it is absoluteley necessary that i run Â3D drivers |
| 18:24.39 | binary | 1 way or another |
| 18:24.50 | shwag | cydork: curiousity |
| 18:24.50 | azeem | I was talking in general |
| 18:24.57 | binary | oh i know that :P |
| 18:24.57 | azeem | I see the need to have graphics drivers working |
| 18:25.07 | binary | k :P |
| 18:25.08 | zamaliphe | !aiglx |
| 18:25.08 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 18:25.12 | shwag | curiosity even |
| 18:25.18 | binary | ok |
| 18:25.29 | binary | so what line can i add to my source.list that will fix this |
| 18:25.36 | binary | and enable me to get the NVIDIA driver |
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| 18:25.59 | azeem | binary: did you read what dpkg wrote above? |
| 18:26.08 | binary | err |
| 18:26.10 | binary | yeah |
| 18:26.16 | binary | but im using bitchx |
| 18:26.22 | binary | and in a text mode |
| 18:26.26 | binary | and i cant get back to it |
| 18:26.29 | azeem | it has instructions on how to edit sources.list |
| 18:26.32 | binary | looking to see if i hav logs |
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| 18:26.35 | binary | oh |
| 18:26.40 | binary | yeah i read it |
| 18:26.48 | binary | but i dont know what server to use |
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| 18:27.01 | binary | I have an idea actually |
| 18:27.02 | binary | brb |
| 18:27.04 | azeem | it didn't say to choose a server |
| 18:27.09 | enouf | binary: read it again |
| 18:27.13 | binary | sorry brb |
| 18:27.22 | binary | Im not being rude |
| 18:27.29 | azeem | no problem |
| 18:27.32 | binary | i understand what the message said |
| 18:27.45 | binary | and Im just going to edit sources.list now |
| 18:27.47 | binary | brb |
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| 18:28.49 | stealth | hi.. where can i get wlanctl-ng through apt-get? |
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| 18:29.14 | khaleel_ | hi everyone htere has been a screwup , i am a dialup user who downloaded opera webbrowser from opera.com , there I selected debian etch as my distro but ticked download this package in .tar.gz (i thought that .deb package .)will be furthur compressed to save me some size but now that i have uncompressed that i have some folders and files , no make , or install file , no deb package?! |
| 18:29.46 | khaleel_ | is there anything i can do to make this package useful for me ? (without compromising integrity of my system) |
| 18:30.11 | azeem | khaleel_: I believe opera provides .debs |
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| 18:31.11 | khaleel_ | azeem, yup you go there ,select the your nix distro , and you get it , i selected distro but ticked an option saying DOWNLAOD THIS package as .tar.gz format |
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| 18:31.28 | azeem | khaleel_: well, then download the .deb |
| 18:31.32 | yang | I am getting DMA timeout error status=0x58 driveready seekcomplete datarequest error |
| 18:31.43 | azeem | I wouldn't muck with the .tar.gz |
| 18:31.49 | azeem | yang: that sounds like hardware failure |
| 18:32.36 | khaleel_ | azeem, ok |
| 18:32.37 | binary | no it still doesnt work |
| 18:32.38 | yang | azeem: it happened to my old hard drive, so i trashed it, and replaced with new one, and now it happens again (it must be some error inside the laptop?) |
| 18:32.42 | jazbo2185 | How is bandwidth usage managed? i.e. Let's say I'm downloading a big file via sftp and it's using up pretty much all my bandwidth. Then for example I wget a file. How is the distribution of bandwidth between the processes determined and is there a way to control that distribution? |
| 18:32.57 | azeem | binary: "doesn't work" isn't an error description |
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| 18:33.06 | binary | ok i hav the same error as b4 which is |
| 18:33.09 | binary | ... |
| 18:33.14 | binary | will paste in a sec |
| 18:33.23 | yang | azeem: the hard drive is not plugged inside untill the end...maybe that buggers it |
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| 18:33.27 | binary | but will hav to disconnect first |
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| 18:34.31 | PupenoR | Hello. |
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| 18:34.53 | PupenoR | What was the command to choose, from some list, different alternatives for different programs ? |
| 18:35.07 | binary | here is the error message |
| 18:35.09 | binary | [1;30m[[1;37m1[1;30m][0m <binary> here is the error message[0m |
| 18:35.11 | azeem | update-alternatives --config <program> |
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| 18:35.13 | binary | . |
| 18:35.13 | binary | Updated infos about 1 packages |
| 18:35.13 | binary | Getting source for kernel version: 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 18:35.13 | binary | Kernel headers available in /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/build |
| 18:35.14 | binary | apt-get-y install build-essential |
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| 18:36.00 | mitch | cydork gotta go for now, thanks again, gonna pick up again later :) |
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| 18:36.22 | binary | ok |
| 18:36.26 | binary | will pate it in #flood |
| 18:36.28 | binary | is that ok |
| 18:36.28 | deblah | I'm (still) having trouble getting the i810 driver working for my i946GZ chipset Intel motherboard. I've just gone through the installation instructions at http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building but now I get this: http://pastebin.ca/263652 has anyone got any ideas? |
| 18:36.32 | binary | ??? |
| 18:36.38 | azeem | ok |
| 18:36.42 | abrotman | he lives! |
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| 18:37.22 | binary | ok ive pasted it |
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| 18:37.45 | Ronin | binary: now give us the url |
| 18:37.50 | binary | what? |
| 18:37.52 | binary | url |
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| 18:37.54 | cydork | deblah: why are you compiling it? |
| 18:38.10 | Ronin | ahh never mind, i missed the in #flood part |
| 18:38.11 | binary | i hav posted the error message in channel #flood |
| 18:38.25 | azeem | binary: what does apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source say? |
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| 18:38.41 | binary | err |
| 18:38.44 | binary | i will find out |
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| 18:38.51 | deblah | cydork: the drivers etch has do not support this new chipset. the etch installer selected the vesa driver for me |
| 18:39.17 | binary | narybaby:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:39.17 | binary | nvidia-kernel-source: |
| 18:39.17 | binary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.17 | binary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.17 | binary | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.32 | JordiGH | With kernel 2.6.19 just released, when do we get 2.8? |
| 18:39.34 | Guerin | binary: you're fucking retatrded |
| 18:39.36 | binary | ok posted in channel |
| 18:39.38 | binary | #flood |
| 18:39.39 | cydork | deblah: hmm .. |
| 18:39.40 | binary | sorry forgot |
| 18:39.48 | azeem | Guerin: please behave. |
| 18:39.50 | binary | its in #flood |
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| 18:39.52 | Guerin | binary: why would there be a fucking #flood channel if you were allowed to flood in here? |
| 18:39.53 | binary | ok will do |
| 18:40.09 | binary | anyway hav u read it |
| 18:40.14 | deblah | cydork: using etch's drivers gives this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/11/msg00980.html |
| 18:40.17 | azeem | Guerin: stop harassing users for this triviality |
| 18:40.28 | Roey | Hi, is this sufficient to enable Postgrey? http://rafb.net/paste/results/i0Bnue93.html |
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| 18:41.08 | azeem | binary: then you haven't activated unstable in sources.list yet |
| 18:41.17 | cydork | deblah: oh ok.. didn't knew aobut that.. |
| 18:41.42 | binary | no |
| 18:41.46 | binary | dont know how to |
| 18:41.47 | JordiGH | 157 RC bugs! :D |
| 18:41.57 | cydork | JordiGH: :) |
| 18:42.00 | binary | dont know what line to put in |
| 18:42.01 | azeem | binary: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 18:42.05 | JordiGH | Does this mean that etch has hope of begin released in time? |
| 18:42.13 | JordiGH | being |
| 18:42.30 | xored | where can i find the port to use in the sldap config ? |
| 18:42.33 | Ronin | JordiGH: sometime before 2008 ;) |
| 18:42.42 | cydork | Ronin: lier! :P |
| 18:43.00 | Ronin | :) |
| 18:43.02 | binary | where do i put that |
| 18:43.31 | binary | ? |
| 18:43.37 | JordiGH | I think word on the net was that they wanted to get RC bugs below 100 before the code freeze. And they squashed thirty this week, I think! |
| 18:43.40 | binary | im sorry i am a literal debian n00b |
| 18:43.41 | azeem | binary: you write in your irc client |
| 18:43.51 | azeem | this is not debian-specific knowledge |
| 18:44.05 | binary | what repositories |
| 18:44.05 | cydork | JordiGH: it is below 80 afaik.. |
| 18:44.09 | binary | didnt use them in slackware |
| 18:44.20 | binary | compiled everything from source |
| 18:44.23 | azeem | binary: ok |
| 18:44.31 | azeem | binary: please read what dpkg says |
| 18:44.36 | binary | ok |
| 18:44.37 | binary | will do |
| 18:44.39 | azeem | and only ask further questions afterwards |
| 18:44.45 | binary | narybaby:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:44.45 | binary | nvidia-kernel-source: |
| 18:44.45 | binary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.45 | binary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.45 | binary | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.53 | Ronin | and stop doing that heh |
| 18:45.05 | JordiGH | cydork: 80... yes, I knew that, but thought it might be 100, and I was optimistically hoping I had misremembered. :-) |
| 18:45.09 | binary | sorry that was an accident |
| 18:45.14 | azeem | no problem |
| 18:45.19 | binary | what line do i hav to put in my irc client |
| 18:45.23 | binary | can u please giv it me again |
| 18:45.25 | binary | i lost it |
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| 18:45.45 | JordiGH | !quick etch/sid mix |
| 18:45.45 | dpkg | hmm... quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than etch as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages |
| 18:45.51 | cydork | JordiGH: heh |
| 18:45.54 | JordiGH | binary: What dpkg said ^^ |
| 18:45.55 | jerome | hum. Debootstrap doesn't provide console-date nor base-config. |
| 18:45.58 | jerome | strange. |
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| 18:46.56 | binary | erm |
| 18:47.03 | binary | does foo stand for my package |
| 18:47.05 | binary | ??? |
| 18:47.13 | JordiGH | !metasyntactic variable |
| 18:47.13 | dpkg | it has been said that metasyntactic variable is A name used in examples and understood to stand for whatever thing is under discussion, or any random member of a class of things under discussion. The word foo is the canonical example. To avoid confusion, hackers never (well, hardly ever) use `foo' or other words like it as permanent names for anything. |
| 18:47.18 | azeem | binary: yes, but as you're using m-a and apt-get it doesn't apply |
| 18:47.26 | azeem | in this specific case |
| 18:47.39 | binary | right |
| 18:47.43 | binary | what doesnt apply? |
| 18:47.47 | azeem | well, maybe install nvidia-kernel-source first via the above way, that'll make it easier for m-a |
| 18:47.58 | binary | ok |
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| 18:49.21 | binary | still the same error |
| 18:49.33 | binary | why is the install of a 3d driver getting so painful |
| 18:49.36 | karsten | blondie: You can install the countrycodes lookups (I think it's a misc-data package) and query against that. I've got some shell functions for that and area code lookups. |
| 18:49.37 | binary | im now getting a headacje |
| 18:49.53 | karsten | blondie: ... WRT .ve. Or check at ICANN's global registry page. |
| 18:49.56 | JordiGH | binary: Because nvidia makes it a pain for us. nvidia makes evil blobs! |
| 18:49.57 | JordiGH | !blob |
| 18:49.58 | dpkg | blob is probably a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 18:50.14 | binary | oh sorry my mistake |
| 18:50.17 | binary | it was commented |
| 18:50.20 | binary | will try now |
| 18:50.21 | JordiGH | binary: Blobs make baby Tux cry. |
| 18:50.21 | karsten | yang: hdparm -tT <disk> for throughput performance measures. |
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| 18:50.33 | yang | ok karsten |
| 18:50.34 | binary | fucking yeds |
| 18:50.36 | binary | it worked |
| 18:50.40 | binary | u geniuses |
| 18:50.52 | karsten | dpkg: nvidia is also Intell now provides spec'd accelerated GPUs. |
| 18:50.52 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 18:51.09 | binary | u r all geniuses |
| 18:51.09 | binary | thanx so much |
| 18:51.09 | secher | Grr.. I've done a dpkg install of php5 5.1.6-5 and a dpkg install of phpgroupware. Everything seems to be fine, the tables are created, etc, but on the 'setup' page, phpgroupware won't communicate with mysql. apparently there's somethign diff about php5-mysql 5.1.6 package that phpgroupware .16 doesn't like, and it requires php5-mysql 5.2. |
| 18:51.10 | azeem | karsten: you typo'd Intel |
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| 18:51.13 | binary | really i cant thank you anymore |
| 18:51.24 | binary | thanks especially to azeem |
| 18:51.27 | binary | & dpkg? |
| 18:51.32 | azeem | dpkg is a bot |
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| 18:51.38 | jazbo2185 | hehe |
| 18:51.40 | secher | php5-mysql 5.2 requires phpapi 5.2, which is not insallable, becuase it's a metapackage. |
| 18:51.46 | azeem | !nvidia ~= s/Intell/Intel |
| 18:51.48 | azeem | !nvidia ~= s/Intell/Intel/ |
| 18:51.50 | azeem | bah. |
| 18:51.56 | binary | thanku |
| 18:51.58 | JordiGH | dpkg, thanks! |
| 18:51.58 | dpkg | JordiGH: pas de quoi |
| 18:51.59 | binary | anyway |
| 18:52.01 | binary | whatever |
| 18:52.04 | binary | but thanx |
| 18:52.18 | binary | it works im back on the road to getting my drivers working |
| 18:52.19 | azeem | binary: no problem |
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| 18:52.23 | jelly | karsten: oh, does intel have standalone cards now? |
| 18:52.39 | secher | so, if anyone has a suggestion, I'm wiling to try it. I've done alot of legwork so to speak, and can answer questions anyoen may have. |
| 18:52.41 | karsten | azeem: Thanks. Was hitting scrollback. |
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| 18:53.06 | karsten | jelly: I _think_ so. |
| 18:53.08 | JordiGH | karsten: Wait, is Intel providing the mythical free driver for a 3d card? |
| 18:53.19 | karsten | jelly: The folks who care about this stuff are really jazzed. |
| 18:53.21 | azeem | I don't think they announced anything |
| 18:53.22 | JordiGH | dpkg, we have to get back to you on that one... |
| 18:53.33 | karsten | JordiGH: They're providing the cards, and specs. i910 or something? |
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| 18:53.35 | azeem | WRT providing GPUs for PCI cards |
| 18:53.51 | jelly | karsten: not that I care now, i've already bought a lappy with intel. |
| 18:53.51 | azeem | karsten: that's useless if you don't buy their chipsets as well |
| 18:54.13 | karsten | azeem: Gee... I guess that's their business model then ;-) |
| 18:54.14 | yang | Is there a special shutdown procedure for the disks mounted with LVM+crypto ? |
| 18:54.30 | JordiGH | jelly: I think I'm going to follow suit. They provided toresbe with beerly free documentation for some hardware when he requested it. Even paid for shipping themselves! |
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| 18:54.37 | azeem | karsten: yeah, just saying that you cannot in general say "buy Intel" to somebody with an Nvidia card |
| 18:54.39 | karsten | azeem: AMD's gone all ATI on us, and _still_ isn't providing support. |
| 18:54.51 | karsten | azeem: The hell I can't ;-) |
| 18:55.04 | azeem | karsten: but there's rumours that they might supply specs again I think |
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| 18:55.17 | jelly | JordiGH: yeah, some hw vendors are like that... you write drivers for them, they give you hardware. ;-) |
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| 18:56.00 | karsten | azeem: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 18:56.02 | jazbo2185 | Is bandwidth usage split up evenly between processes requesting bandwidth? ie if firefox and sftp are both downloading something do they just split the available bandwith? |
| 18:56.03 | jelly | JordiGH: then they give you newer hardware so you can update the drivers. But this only works for kernel driver authors... ;-) |
| 18:56.22 | secher | JordiGH: I like that, 'beerly free'. Nice way of putting it. good call. |
| 18:56.31 | azeem | karsten: sure, I know about that |
| 18:56.46 | JordiGH | secher: Hehehe... Alcoholic freedom vs linguistic freedom. :P |
| 18:56.48 | azeem | doesn't help if you computer has a non-Intel chipset but free PCI slots |
| 18:57.07 | karsten | azeem: is the 965 onboard-only? |
| 18:57.21 | yang | what would mean DMA timeout error status=0x58 driveready seekcomplete datarequest error (each time the disk gets detected on bootup), it works well afterwards. |
| 18:57.34 | JordiGH | jazbo2185: Do you have reason to believe otherwise? |
| 18:57.36 | karsten | azeem: My point in this is Intel's move gives us pressure points to apply to AMD, Nvidia, and Intel. |
| 18:57.43 | azeem | karsten: all Intel graphics chips have been onboard-only so far, and I haven't read an announcement otherwise |
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| 18:58.02 | azeem | karsten: yes, and I agree totally. Just saying that it doesn't help in all situations |
| 18:58.03 | karsten | azeem: Intel: make the GPU available as a PCI/AGP card. AMD: release your specs. Nvidia: Release your specs. |
| 18:58.17 | karsten | azeem: It's a slow fight, but one that frequently pays dividents. |
| 18:58.19 | secher | JordiGH: understood, for sure, I've just never heard 'free as in beer' described that succintly. That's a term I'll be adding to my vocabulary. :) |
| 18:58.23 | azeem | there /are/ rumours that Intel might make the GPU available for AGP cards |
| 18:58.38 | jelly | this is, however, better than having no decent graphics hw with free drivers at all. |
| 18:58.41 | JordiGH | secher: "gratis" is also an English word, although much more Latin than "free". |
| 18:58.48 | jazbo2185 | JordiGH: actually I'm hoping to find out how I can manage this behavior. I'd like my sftp download to use full bandwidth in most cases except when I'm using say firefox then I'd like the sftp download to throttle it's bandwidth almost to zero. |
| 18:59.19 | lepton | jazbo2185: you want "quality of service". read up on the linux packet filter |
| 18:59.29 | karsten | pipeline: WRT stock price (investor returns) and business profitability, see, oh, say, Enron, Worldcom. My beef was your unqualified comment WRT profit, which is flat wrong. Business merits are another thing altogether, as is stock market performance. </end></end></end discussion> |
| 19:00.14 | lepton | jazbo2185: I use QoS to let my voip packets (vonage) cut in line. |
| 19:00.29 | secher | there has got to be a way to get phpgroupware to work with debian unstable, this is insane. I can't be the only person with this problem. |
| 19:00.31 | karsten | dpkg: Intel graphics is 3D acceleration from Intel, open spec. Onboard chips only (sorry, AMD users). See http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm |
| 19:00.31 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
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| 19:00.50 | jelly | haha, "Microsoft Advices to Avoid Integrated Graphics Cores for Windows Vista. |
| 19:00.50 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.46 | jazbo2185 | lepton: ah thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 19:01.58 | JordiGH | Uh, karsten, are those blobs? |
| 19:02.56 | JordiGH | Does Intel itself manufacture lappies? |
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| 19:04.11 | azeem | JordiGH: n |
| 19:04.11 | azeem | o |
| 19:04.12 | jelly | JordiGH: it "only" makes the chipset... they probably have reference mainboards for laptop manufacturers to peruse... |
| 19:04.12 | karsten | jelly: No. |
| 19:04.12 | karsten | JordiGH: ^^] |
| 19:04.21 | karsten | dpkg: is also these are open source, not blobs. |
| 19:04.24 | JordiGH | Aw, that's cute. Linus self-censors "damn": http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/11/29/249 |
| 19:04.33 | jelly | poot |
| 19:04.41 | jelly | gosh darn |
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| 19:05.04 | JordiGH | Heh. That reminds me of Mormons. :-) |
| 19:05.15 | karsten | JordiGH: Self-censors where? |
| 19:05.25 | jelly | karsten: d*mn |
| 19:05.27 | JordiGH | karsten: clicky above: ^^ |
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| 19:05.49 | azeem | that announcment was probably read by hundreds of thousands of people |
| 19:05.56 | karsten | JordiGH: Ah. I was looking in the changelog notes ;-) |
| 19:06.09 | jelly | ddddmn? |
| 19:06.23 | karsten | jelly: dsplatm |
| 19:06.28 | JordiGH | azeem: Reminds me of Jesux: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ |
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| 19:06.45 | JordiGH | Wow, geocities. How very 1995. |
| 19:06.48 | jelly | dasterisk'mn! Cthulhu fhtagn! |
| 19:06.51 | azeem | JordiGH: I don't see the connection |
| 19:06.53 | jazbo2185 | lepton: `apt-cache search linux packet filter` doesn't give me anything obvious. Is "iptables" what I should be investigating? |
| 19:07.16 | azeem | I don't think Linus self-censors himself in regular lkml posts |
| 19:07.19 | secher | Heh, I love it. I submitted a bug report to the Debian BTS concerning the brokenness of phpgroupware 0.9.16 with php5.2, and someone from phpgorupware made a note that it's not a bug, it's a problem that's too invasive to fix atm, with 0.9.18 so close to release. Understandable, but if it renders an app unusable is it not by definition a bug? |
| 19:07.27 | azeem | it's a matter of knowing your audience |
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| 19:08.54 | karsten | JordiGH: X/MIT license FYI. |
| 19:08.55 | secher | sorry, OT I know, but my frustration is getting the best of me. |
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| 19:09.49 | JordiGH | azeem: I wonder how many Christian hackers or people similarly concerned with the blasphemy of "damn". We do have "hacking for Christ": http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/ |
| 19:10.05 | JordiGH | secher: A Debian bug is not OT. I'm being a million times more OT than you are. :P |
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| 19:10.26 | JordiGH | karsten: DFSG. Good enough for me. |
| 19:10.40 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 19:11.11 | jelly | DFSG currently thinks documentation is software, which is kinda dumb. |
| 19:11.11 | karsten | JordiGH: Speaks to strategy as well. Intel's effectively saying "steal this code". |
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| 19:11.28 | karsten | JordiGH: It's dfsg, GPL-compatible, and can be used in proprietary code as well. |
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| 19:11.36 | JordiGH | jelly: Let's not go there. I'm really annoyed with how they treat the GFDL. :-/ |
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| 19:12.13 | Aci1 | Hi |
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| 19:12.36 | karsten | JordiGH: Well, I'd _hope_ I'd know the difference. |
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| 19:13.12 | secher | JordiGH: it's not exactly a Debian bug. both php5.2 and phpgoupware 0.9.16 have a class DateTime, which just makes things borked. So it's not something wrong with Debian, its' a fundamental flaw between PHP5.2 and phpopengroupware 0.9.16. anyway. |
| 19:13.37 | jelly | there's a php5.2 already? |
| 19:13.40 | Aci1 | i dont know why the gaim and rhythmbox apps starts when gnome start? |
| 19:13.41 | JordiGH | karsten: It's a scary world out there. They think it's divided into the ethical, capitalistic, "commercial" world and the rest of us long-bearded commie hippies who advocat the GPL. I'm ranting, sorry. |
| 19:13.47 | secher | jelly: in unstable there is. |
| 19:14.01 | secher | jelly: 5.2.0 |
| 19:14.13 | ajopaul_ | is there a howto i can refer to setup a svn 1.4 with http on a debian? coz its fine for svn 1.3.2 but when i setup 1.4 i get the following error |
| 19:14.30 | JordiGH | For the record, my beard is very short. |
| 19:14.34 | ajopaul_ | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn' |
| 19:14.34 | ajopaul_ | svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem |
| 19:14.37 | secher | JordiGH: Stating a truth is not ranting, it's teaching. |
| 19:14.40 | jelly | secher: is their code any better than 4.x series with loads of holes, regressions between patch releases etc? |
| 19:14.50 | Aci1 | i dont know why the gaim and rhythmbox apps starts when gnome start? |
| 19:15.01 | jazbo2185 | Aci1: #gnome ? |
| 19:15.17 | Aci1 | yeah in the splash screen |
| 19:15.21 | azeem | jazbo2185: that question is on topic here |
| 19:15.24 | secher | jelly: seems to be, but I'm no php authority, by any means. |
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| 19:15.50 | jazbo2185 | azeem: ah k. |
| 19:15.56 | Aci1 | i dont know when i chanche that |
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| 19:16.09 | Aci1 | they suddenly appeares in the splash |
| 19:16.19 | karsten | JordiGH: Well, I've presented on the topic a few times, including to O'Reilly and Intel conferences. |
| 19:16.49 | Aci1 | do you know jazbo? |
| 19:16.51 | secher | jelly: I've been talking with loads of people who give the impression that 5.2 is the way to go, asap. |
| 19:16.53 | cahoot | why would a device (a broadcom wireless nic) get a nonexistant irq 255? |
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| 19:17.15 | karsten | JordiGH: http://www.oreilly.com/www/news/tim_oscon_0700.html is about the only trace left at ora. |
| 19:17.24 | JordiGH | Acil:Acil: Desktop, preferences, session. Change what loads on login there. |
| 19:17.25 | karsten | cahoot: broadcom. Start there. |
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| 19:17.52 | JordiGH | karsten: Woohoo! Fight the good fight, my geek! |
| 19:18.31 | Aci1 | i already see that option but they are not there |
| 19:19.28 | secher | karsten: oh, come one, why avoid something just becuase you have to jump through 17 burning hoops with a blindfold on? |
| 19:19.30 | jelly | secher: I foresee loads of requests for our web hosting farm admins then. |
| 19:19.49 | JordiGH | Acil: They're not in the last tab? Try ticking "automatically save session". That should load the apps you had running when you logged out. If you close all your apps before you log out, you should get an empty session when you log in again. |
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| 19:20.07 | jazbo2185 | dpkg calls broadcom "evil scum". :) |
| 19:20.15 | Aci1 | ok let me try |
| 19:20.36 | karsten | secher: It's that 17th hoop. I'm fine for the first 16. |
| 19:20.44 | secher | karsten: LOL |
| 19:21.12 | JordiGH | !broadcom |
| 19:21.12 | dpkg | [broadcom] a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 19:21.21 | JordiGH | Violating GPL? |
| 19:21.27 | JordiGH | Has Eblen Moglen heard about this? |
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| 19:22.14 | jelly | cahoot: sounds like the driver hasn't properly set up the card or something |
| 19:22.19 | secher | jelly: I repeat, I'm no authority, i"m just giving you my impression. Listening to me is not unlike taking /. polls as scientific evidence of a phenomena. :) |
| 19:22.24 | azeem | JordiGH: Eben/FSF can only sue for code they hold the copyright on |
| 19:22.27 | karsten | JordiGH: Last I checked, Eben's client (the FSF) didn't produce the Linux kernel. |
| 19:22.49 | jelly | secher: sure, I wouldn't make any strategic decisions based on irc hearsay ;-) |
| 19:23.04 | jerome | what's the replacement for base-config in recent installers ? |
| 19:23.34 | azeem | jerome: base-config got incorporated into d-i, there is no replacement |
| 19:23.51 | karsten | jerome: treble-config? |
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| 19:24.08 | secher | Ok, see you all monday, going to pick up my daughter at school.. Peace. |
| 19:24.11 | karsten | jerome: I think it's still base-config, though I just went through that and remember asking the question. |
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| 19:24.23 | jerome | karsten: I'm installing from another sid box, using debootstrap. |
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| 19:24.33 | jerome | base-config is convenient for keymap setting, etc |
| 19:24.41 | karsten | jerome: As was I, though under RHEL. |
| 19:24.43 | jerome | (specially on a dvorak kb) |
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| 19:25.43 | cahoot | jelly: how could it if kernel gives it a nonexistent irq? |
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| 19:26.50 | jerome | karsten: is it somehowpossible to use d-i to install debian from another running debian box, just like deboostrap+base-config used to ? |
| 19:27.06 | jerome | I never used d-i, my boxes are too old :) |
| 19:27.35 | jerome | and the doc doesn't mention d-i yet |
| 19:28.04 | karsten | jerome: Not sure. |
| 19:28.22 | jerome | hum, the package only contains doc :/ |
| 19:28.22 | ajopaul_ | is there a howto i can refer to setup a svn 1.4 with http apache2? i get svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem error although setting svn 1.3.2 was fine! |
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| 19:30.26 | karsten | jerome: Sorry, and it's out of my install history as well. |
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| 19:36.32 | eldowan | karsten: Are you *still* here? |
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| 19:37.10 | Plouj | does debian come with init service management tools like rc-* for gentoo and service for redhat? |
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| 19:37.35 | karsten | eldowan: No. |
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| 19:37.45 | karsten | Plouj: update-rc?.d |
| 19:37.52 | karsten | Plouj: erm. update-rc.d |
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| 19:38.35 | Plouj | umm |
| 19:38.36 | shwag | where might a find a list of packages installed on my system, sorted by date installed ? |
| 19:38.43 | Plouj | is there a tool to see the status of running services? |
| 19:38.50 | Plouj | ...and not running ones |
| 19:38.51 | karsten | shwag: /var/log/aptitude |
| 19:38.55 | karsten | shwag: Otherwise, not. |
| 19:39.08 | karsten | Plouj: ps. top. |
| 19:39.19 | shwag | karsten: hmm...that requires that I used aptitude, eh ? |
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| 19:39.35 | Plouj | well, that sucks |
| 19:39.35 | karsten | shwag: Yup. |
| 19:39.59 | shwag | karsten: do you use aptitude? as a power user should I start learning it ? |
| 19:40.03 | Plouj | I meant something like what gentoo has, which shows the status of all services in the 'default' runlevel |
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| 19:40.13 | karsten | !tell shwag about aptitude |
| 19:40.19 | karsten | shwag: Yes, I do. |
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| 19:40.47 | wols | karsten: what about /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 19:40.51 | wols | tho, not all :( |
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| 19:41.42 | kingsley | Would "mv"-ing rdiff-backup's destination directory cause it to crash the next time it runs? For example, is the name of its destination directory somehow encoded withing rdiff-backups data structure? |
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| 19:43.34 | tralala | shwag, aptitude is not a performance champ but it has very cute search capabilities (on the non-obvious benefits camp). I recommend learning it. |
| 19:45.03 | eldowan | not to mention a curses based interface, as well as command line. |
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| 19:46.20 | shwag | tralala: okay, thanks. |
| 19:46.27 | shwag | tralala: how long has aptitude been around ? |
| 19:46.31 | tralala | *nod*, I find the curses interface useful when searching for software that I don't have any experience with. |
| 19:46.43 | simonrvn | a while |
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| 19:49.28 | simonrvn | i hope s/he knows that "binary" number, isn't |
| 19:50.12 | Aci1 | i only get sound in one speaker of my 7.1 system, im using alsa, emuk101, audigy sz laptop, anybody nkows why? |
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| 19:51.49 | Joki2 | hi guys |
| 19:52.28 | Joki2 | i'm looking for an open source project like hamachi... |
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| 19:53.13 | Joki2 | but hamachi isn't open source |
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| 19:53.45 | wols | tightvnc? |
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| 19:54.59 | Aci1 | i only get sound in one speaker of my 7.1 system, im using alsa, emuk101, audigy sz laptop, anybody nkows why? |
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| 19:55.21 | Joki2 | sounds good..:D thx wols.. |
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| 19:57.22 | tralala | Aci1, are you sure the relevant channels are unmuted? |
| 19:59.46 | comfrey | is there a good tool to monitor network uptime? |
| 20:00.00 | comfrey | something more simple than nagios or munin. |
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| 20:00.37 | comfrey | we have a flaky dsl connection here and i want to get an idea of how bat it really is |
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| 20:00.47 | comfrey | s/bat/bad/ |
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| 20:02.14 | karsten | What's a good name for a function to run a command and kill it after a certain period of time? |
| 20:02.17 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 20:03.11 | eldowan | timekill |
| 20:03.18 | eldowan | killer_timer? |
| 20:03.19 | jelly | karsten: post_dated_run_kill :-) |
| 20:03.23 | wols | monoflop |
| 20:03.31 | wols | (electronics reference) |
| 20:03.31 | karsten | jelly: "Henry" |
| 20:03.35 | eldowan | time_to_die |
| 20:03.40 | eldowan | hitman |
| 20:03.44 | karsten | eot |
| 20:03.49 | eldowan | eol |
| 20:03.49 | karsten | (end of time) |
| 20:03.51 | jelly | ttl |
| 20:03.54 | eldowan | ttd |
| 20:04.16 | eldowan | eop (end of process) |
| 20:04.31 | karsten | eldowan: Bad symantics on eop. I like ttl and ttd. |
| 20:04.40 | Eulex | run_with_time_limit()? |
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| 20:05.17 | karsten | !win jelly |
| 20:05.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:05.31 | eldowan | Woo Jelly! |
| 20:05.42 | jelly | frisbees! |
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| 20:05.55 | eldowan | and shanks if you get mad |
| 20:07.07 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Life |
| 20:07.11 | wols | doh |
| 20:07.13 | wols | wrong window |
| 20:07.37 | CharminTheMoose | question:I have a small homemade distro,How do i make an initrd.gz for it? |
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| 20:11.05 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: ask ##linux .. STOP ASKING HERE |
| 20:11.15 | CharminTheMoose | sowwie |
| 20:12.00 | smacnay | how does one change the font of aterm to a aa font? I run X with openbox wm. nothing fancy. |
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| 20:14.14 | simonrvn | ~/.Xresources file |
| 20:15.57 | karsten | smacnay: clients have to support AA fonts. |
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| 20:17.05 | smacnay | karsten: ah, I wonder if aterm supports... probably not. |
| 20:17.21 | karsten | smacnay: ldd or changelog may tell you. |
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| 20:17.31 | niles | im reading a book on Unix Network PRogramming. the authors examples dont work in debian. |
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| 20:17.38 | niles | i have compiled them in other distros |
| 20:17.39 | karsten | smacnay: IME AA fonts in terminals are *really* hard to read. |
| 20:17.50 | rumpl | niles, what is the problem? |
| 20:18.03 | niles | rumpl: connect error: Invalid argument |
| 20:18.05 | rumpl | can you paste the code? |
| 20:18.13 | niles | a perror of connect on all the socket examples |
| 20:18.21 | rumpl | can you paste the code? |
| 20:18.22 | smacnay | karsten: ah, then I just need to change my font to something more legible. |
| 20:18.24 | niles | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GhW89M89.html |
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| 20:18.49 | karsten | smacnay: "fixed" :-) |
| 20:18.51 | niles | rumpl: are you a C coder too? ##C could not help me. |
| 20:19.16 | rumpl | C coder yes. |
| 20:19.17 | niles | Richard Stevens provides a url in his book, to download the code. |
| 20:19.29 | karsten | smacnay: I'm using xterm -bg black -fg gold -cr blue/term -geometry 80x24 |
| 20:19.52 | karsten | smacnay: usually defaults to "fixed" or 7x10 or similar, which is misc-fixed-* |
| 20:20.15 | jelly | smacnay: rxvt-unicode has transparency and truetype font support. |
| 20:20.32 | smacnay | karsten: I will try that |
| 20:21.24 | smacnay | karsten: I think I need to set my font to a larger size. That would be a start. |
| 20:21.48 | rumpl | niles, works fine here. |
| 20:21.51 | niles | damn |
| 20:21.54 | niles | every one says |
| 20:21.55 | niles | that |
| 20:21.57 | jelly | smacnay: try the terminus font... it's a bit blocky but readable. I use vga font myself |
| 20:22.09 | niles | rumpl: is my system corupt ? |
| 20:22.26 | niles | i'll just work on a knoppix disk until etch comes out. |
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| 20:23.03 | madclicker | how can i see what is using port 10032? |
| 20:23.09 | rumpl | What's this ip ? |
| 20:23.16 | rumpl | niles? |
| 20:23.22 | niles | netstat madclicker |
| 20:23.24 | jelly | madclicker: using netstat's -p option |
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| 20:24.16 | karsten | smacnay: xlsfonts | grep '^[0-9][0-9]*x[0-9]' | sort |
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| 20:24.25 | karsten | smacnay: ... tends to give you a good starting list. |
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| 20:24.45 | madclicker | jelly, how can i kill the process "tcp 12 0 localhost.localdo:10025 localhost.localdo:60238 CLOSE_WAIT -" that is keeping the port opened/ |
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| 20:24.47 | madclicker | ? |
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| 20:26.03 | xingu | madclicker: what does netstat -p | grep 60238 ... think? |
| 20:26.11 | smacnay | karsten: ursvt does a nice job supporting fonts. I will play around here - thanks for the response. |
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| 20:26.56 | karsten | smacnay: NP |
| 20:26.59 | Roey | hi |
| 20:27.04 | madclicker | xingu, tcp 12 0 localhost.localdo:10025 localhost.localdo:60238 CLOSE_WAIT - |
| 20:27.04 | madclicker | tcp 7 0 localhost.localdo:10025 localhost.localdo:60824 CLOSE_WAIT 27266/ |
| 20:27.07 | Roey | is there any spamtrap for Postfix for Debian Etch? |
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| 20:28.18 | xingu | madclicker: ps -flp 27266 |
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| 20:29.47 | stew | abrotman: i am on 2 servers |
| 20:29.49 | es0 | does anyone know how I can configure krfb to skip the "accept this connection" action when I connect from my home? |
| 20:29.58 | madclicker | xingu, smtpd 27266 postfix 6u IPv4 19569115 TCP localhost.localdomain:10025 (LISTEN) |
| 20:29.58 | madclicker | smtpd 27266 postfix 11u IPv4 20068418 TCP localhost.localdomain:10025->localhost.localdomain:60824 (CLOSE_WAIT) |
| 20:30.06 | es0 | I mean the dialog that makes me click "OK" |
| 20:30.12 | stew | abrotman: well, i'm in charge of 2 servers where it is installed. i don't actually use the application |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | stew: have your clietns complained about downloading a large number of items? |
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| 20:31.47 | stew | abrotman: i don't think so |
| 20:31.56 | xingu | madclicker: there you go then, it's pid 27266 holding the server end of the socket open |
| 20:31.59 | stew | abrotman: these guys are far from power users and don't speak english though |
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| 20:32.28 | abrotman | stew: hehe .. okay |
| 20:32.31 | madclicker | xingu, i do "kill -9 27266" it doesnt get phased by it, keeps on running |
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| 20:33.14 | madclicker | is my etch hacked? |
| 20:33.30 | karsten | bash question: what's a good way to trap any signal? |
| 20:33.46 | tralala | karsten, #bash |
| 20:33.57 | tralala | madclicker, /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 20:34.29 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.39 | simonrvn | without the space in front |
| 20:34.44 | es0 | madclicker, you can use lsof to see what files, devices, network connections are being used by a process. |
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| 20:34.59 | xingu | madclicker: from the looks of things 10025 is commonly used for postfix<->amavisd filtering |
| 20:35.31 | simonrvn | kill(all) -9 SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS A LAST RESORT |
| 20:35.34 | rumpl | madclicker, telnet localhost 10025 and see is there is a response from anyone. |
| 20:35.34 | madclicker | xingu, yeap, and i can not ignore the zombie, due to me not being able to start the proces |
| 20:35.39 | asg | simonrvn: if it is, all you can do is feed it brains |
| 20:35.47 | simonrvn | yup |
| 20:35.48 | madclicker | rumpl, nope |
| 20:35.51 | jelly | madclicker: stupid question, are you doing the kill as root? |
| 20:35.55 | abchirk | !ops aLBerT spam on join (again some porn) -- he is in #redhat #asterisk too |
| 20:35.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: aLBerT spam on join (again some porn) -- he is in #redhat #asterisk too |
| 20:36.02 | madclicker | jelly, yes |
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| 20:36.17 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 20:36.27 | peterS | RichiH wins |
| 20:36.30 | simonrvn | haven't seen a k-line in a while |
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| 20:36.36 | asg | mad k-line skillz |
| 20:36.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:36.56 | abchirk | hmm |
| 20:36.59 | SkareCrow | is there any type of program out there or something that allows me to login as root a edit some type of config that i put a file and its chmod value in so root protects this chmod even if the owner of the file trys to chmod it |
| 20:37.15 | madclicker | fuck it, reboot, i just hope it's not a root kit |
| 20:37.32 | es0 | madclicker, it doesn't sound like you're rooted. |
| 20:37.33 | peterS | SkareCrow: the way to do that is not to allow the user to own the file. give him permission to read and write it, perhaps, but not actual ownership |
| 20:37.34 | simonrvn | probably isn't |
| 20:37.41 | peterS | whoever owns the file can chmod it |
| 20:37.52 | es0 | lsof -i will list open internet connections. |
| 20:37.55 | simonrvn | pwnd |
| 20:37.58 | jelly | madclicker: it probably isn't. Some badly written apps can leave these lingering connections. |
| 20:38.22 | es0 | lsof -p <pid> will list all files open by a process. |
| 20:38.23 | simonrvn | (i 8was referring to the chmod OK? :) |
| 20:38.24 | madclicker | jelly, amavis maybe but postfix |
| 20:38.31 | asg | !tell heh_v_water-aWay about away |
| 20:38.33 | abrotman | !tell heh_v_water-aWay about away |
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| 20:39.00 | heh_v_water-aWay | yah I didnt know it was gonna do that thought I got rid of that crap sorry |
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| 20:40.07 | SkareCrow | peterS: i know that the owners can chmod it |
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| 20:40.22 | SkareCrow | i want chmod protection via root even if the owner trys to chmod it |
| 20:40.29 | jelly | madclicker: I sure hope that amavisd-new isn't written that badly, 'cause I use it everywhere. |
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| 20:40.39 | tralala | SkareCrow, have it owned by root |
| 20:40.45 | peterS | SkareCrow: and I'm saying you can't get what you want. the closest you can get is not to allow the user to own the file. |
| 20:40.50 | SkareCrow | without chaning owner ship |
| 20:41.06 | The_Prophet_wut | How do I combine parts of a .rar into a .rar? |
| 20:41.18 | The_Prophet_wut | IE mkv.part1.rar mkv.part2.rar etc |
| 20:41.24 | krazykit | The_Prophet_wut: you don't. just unrar part1 |
| 20:41.32 | krazykit | The_Prophet_wut: and the rest will unrar automagically |
| 20:41.37 | tralala | !nonfreesmite The_Prophet_wut |
| 20:41.52 | es0 | madclicker. if you're worried about a rootkit.. you can install and run chkrootkit. |
| 20:41.54 | peterS | tralala: that's harsh |
| 20:42.34 | krazykit | actually, tralala, the free unrar will do it just fine |
| 20:42.42 | krazykit | so no need for smiting. |
| 20:42.42 | stew | what about intel wireless cards are non-free? |
| 20:42.46 | Coweater | depends what version the rar is |
| 20:42.46 | SkareCrow | the reason behind this is say i chmod .htpasswd to 440 and write this to the config and someoen comes along, gets on my box some how as the owner of the file and read the .htpasswd. they will have the password but dont want to brute force it and its used in a protected directory they want access to. so they want to chmod this to say 777 so they can rewrite the password and login to this directory, but chmod privs are restricted to root |
| 20:42.51 | krazykit | stew: the firmware. |
| 20:42.56 | stew | krazykit: its free |
| 20:43.10 | jelly | krazykit: the firmware is nonfree everywhere. |
| 20:43.12 | tralala | krazykit, there ain't no free unrar |
| 20:43.35 | krazykit | i said the firmware was non-free... |
| 20:43.36 | Coweater | tralala: there is, but it doesn't support the newer rar format version |
| 20:43.36 | stew | krazykit, jelly: its just possible not distributed in the preferred form for modification |
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| 20:43.49 | peterS | SkareCrow: wait, you're saying you don't want the owner of a file to have write access to it? I think you seriously need to rethink your problem |
| 20:43.52 | abrotman | Coweater: are you vegan? |
| 20:43.59 | simonrvn | that's quite a smite.... OUCH |
| 20:44.05 | Coweater | no |
| 20:44.06 | peterS | SkareCrow: if ever there was a case to be made for _not_ letting someone own a file, that would be it |
| 20:44.07 | DerJamster | yeah. It hurts to read it ;P |
| 20:44.28 | SkareCrow | i aint saying that, i want to give the owner of the file the right to protect there chmod from a higher level |
| 20:44.30 | jelly | stew: I just don't believe that binary junk is really equivalent to source code. |
| 20:44.32 | SkareCrow | the only one that uses this box is me |
| 20:44.33 | krazykit | tralala: i thought the free unrar was gpl'd. |
| 20:44.34 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 20:44.59 | peterS | SkareCrow: "from a higher level"? i.e., protect it from root? you can't protect anything from root. |
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| 20:45.18 | simonrvn | root is like root, man |
| 20:45.24 | stoned | xming is the bomb |
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| 20:45.25 | SkareCrow | gah |
| 20:45.28 | tralala | oh, well - apparently there is a free version as well |
| 20:45.36 | SkareCrow | i dont want to change owner ship of a file |
| 20:45.38 | tralala | !update me |
| 20:45.41 | krazykit | actually, you can protect it from root, it's called "rm" |
| 20:45.43 | SkareCrow | i want the owner of the file to be something like skarecrow |
| 20:45.48 | SkareCrow | but skarecrow cant chmod it |
| 20:45.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:45.52 | stoned | chown |
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| 20:45.55 | SkareCrow | only root can give privleges to skarecrow to chmod it |
| 20:45.57 | stoned | sudo chown |
| 20:45.58 | stew | jelly: krazykit: i take it back. the firmware is, in fact, non-free |
| 20:45.59 | peterS | SkareCrow: perhaps you want 'chattr +i'. it is like chmod but more forceful. |
| 20:46.01 | simonrvn | it's called chattr |
| 20:46.01 | RaFa_Vzla | Buenas1 |
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| 20:46.10 | peterS | SkareCrow: I think it only works in ext2 and ext3, but I'm not positive |
| 20:46.46 | peterS | SkareCrow: but that still leaves the question. if you don't want skarecrow to be able to modify the file, why do you want skarecrow to own the file? |
| 20:47.09 | SkareCrow | for development purposes |
| 20:47.12 | peterS | I mean, that makes zero sense |
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| 20:47.18 | SkareCrow | say i want to work on the site i can login as root and remove this protection |
| 20:47.23 | SkareCrow | leaving me open to edit my files |
| 20:47.33 | peterS | SkareCrow: yeah. "this protection" == "chown root". |
| 20:47.37 | SkareCrow | once i am done i can simply reenable this and im good |
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| 20:47.44 | jelly | SkareCrow: sure, login as root and chown back to the user. |
| 20:47.57 | The_Prophet_wut | it should just be unrar e part1.rar right? |
| 20:48.00 | SkareCrow | gah |
| 20:48.04 | SkareCrow | i would have to chown every file |
| 20:48.06 | xingu | SkareCrow: the fundamental problem is that there is no such animal as "chmod privs"; there is a chown capability, but if you own an object in the filesystem you can set its permissions |
| 20:48.06 | SkareCrow | not just 1 file |
| 20:48.11 | peterS | SkareCrow: I do not see how file ownership does not solve your entire problem. 'chattr +i' and 'chattr -i' are not any easier to do than 'chown root' and 'chown skarecrow' |
| 20:48.28 | Plouj | how do I make sure inetd always runs, and starts running when the system boots? |
| 20:48.33 | SkareCrow | well i will see about hacking the chmod command |
| 20:48.38 | asg | Plouj: man update-rc.d |
| 20:48.49 | SkareCrow | and see if i cant add some protection to it, i know what i want and seems like you guys are saying you cant |
| 20:48.51 | peterS | SkareCrow: doesn't help. an attacker doesn't have to use a system chmod command. |
| 20:48.59 | xingu | SkareCrow: that won't prevent someone from calling chmod via perl or a custom binary |
| 20:49.06 | xingu | SkareCrow: it's a syscall |
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| 20:49.11 | peterS | the attacker can run perl -e 'chmod ...' if he prefers |
| 20:49.27 | peterS | perl doesn't use /bin/chmod |
| 20:49.28 | SkareCrow | so your telling me |
| 20:49.40 | SkareCrow | dont protect certain ways cause there are ways around it |
| 20:49.43 | SkareCrow | thats kinda stupid to say |
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| 20:49.57 | Plouj | asg: yeah, but what's the service file name? |
| 20:49.57 | xingu | SkareCrow: it's a case of not obsfucating the threat vector |
| 20:50.01 | tralala | can't acl do this? |
| 20:50.02 | cpio | im lost in google :( anyone please show me to the right direction how to setup samba and ldap on etch |
| 20:50.12 | xingu | SkareCrow: the threat is that you don't trust users who own fs objects to be who they say they are |
| 20:50.13 | peterS | SkareCrow: speaking of "kinda stupid", I would say it is kinda stupid to say "I want a user to own a file but not to have any ability to modify it, and having someone else own the file isn't good enough" |
| 20:50.15 | jelly | tralala: user can change acls on own files. |
| 20:50.16 | SkareCrow | what harm is protecting the chmod command? |
| 20:50.25 | asg | Plouj: inet iirc. Whatever is in /etc/init.d |
| 20:50.26 | SkareCrow | even if there are ways around it i am protecting 1 way |
| 20:50.29 | xingu | SkareCrow: to address that threat vector, implement token based access control. |
| 20:50.41 | jelly | SkareCrow: you're not protecting it at all. |
| 20:50.50 | es0 | does anyone use vnc or krfb to connect to their debian box? |
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| 20:51.04 | SkareCrow | how am i not protecting it? |
| 20:51.07 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 20:51.12 | peterS | SkareCrow: the harm is in believing that you will make any difference to your system security. it makes your system more complex, and you have to keep track of that binary somehow when you upgrade to a newer debian release, or your "security enhancement" will just go away |
| 20:51.13 | SkareCrow | at all* |
| 20:51.13 | jelly | SkareCrow: it's not the chmod command that is at fault, it's the syscall. |
| 20:51.31 | Plouj | I have no /etc/init.d/inet{d}, but I have /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 20:51.47 | jelly | SkareCrow: by hacking the chmod command, you're not addressing the problem. |
| 20:51.48 | tralala | jelly, right... which leads us back to why does the user have to own the file |
| 20:51.57 | asg | Plouj: did you delete the init.d file? |
| 20:52.03 | Plouj | asg: nope |
| 20:52.07 | peterS | Plouj: you probably have the 'openbsd-inetd' package or something |
| 20:52.16 | tralala | SkareCrow, what's wrong with having a different owner of the file? |
| 20:52.32 | peterS | SkareCrow: meh, do whatever you want. you are making stupid choices and you cannot be persuaded of this. I wash my hands. |
| 20:52.35 | Plouj | yes 'openbsd-inetd is already the newest version.' - that's what debian came with, out of the box |
| 20:52.44 | jelly | tralala, SkareCrow: now if I wanted the user to _think_ they own the file, I'd create another user with same username, different uid, then chown to that dummy user. ;-) |
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| 20:52.50 | SkareCrow | in order to edit the files i would eaither have to chmod all the files when its time to edit files |
| 20:52.57 | SkareCrow | or chown all the files |
| 20:53.03 | sanity_assassin | hello i can't install mod_proxy on my debian |
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| 20:53.09 | jelly | SkareCrow: what's the problem with chowning all the files? |
| 20:53.12 | SkareCrow | i aint going to stay logged in as root to edit all my web files |
| 20:53.16 | sanity_assassin | to configure apache virtual host |
| 20:53.25 | asg | SkareCrow: since you are into development, why not use cvs to store the files and a post checkin hook to take care of the perms. |
| 20:53.27 | SkareCrow | why would someone go about chowning a shit load of files |
| 20:53.31 | xingu | SkareCrow: have you read the manpage for sudo? |
| 20:53.33 | dan2 | asg! |
| 20:53.37 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 20:53.39 | tralala | SkareCrow, isn't this what groups are all about? |
| 20:53.44 | dan2 | asg: are you at the pub? |
| 20:53.47 | asg | dan2: I am |
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| 20:53.57 | peterS | SkareCrow: that's a good question. you're the one who invented this requirement. why are you doing it at all? |
| 20:54.00 | dan2 | asg: you ready to watch my cowboys crush the giants on sunday? |
| 20:54.06 | SkareCrow | if i add group access then that demolishs root protecting the chmod |
| 20:54.06 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 20:54.06 | xingu | SkareCrow: if you want to elevate your current context into that of the fs object owner, just permission this in sudo |
| 20:54.12 | xingu | SkareCrow: problem, solved. |
| 20:54.39 | asg | dan2: I probably won't watch since the Cowboys invoke an irrational feeling of hatred in me. |
| 20:54.50 | SkareCrow | then so be it |
| 20:54.51 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 20:55.00 | SkareCrow | let me get owned and learn then |
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| 20:55.25 | Plouj | anyone? |
| 20:56.04 | SkareCrow | i have no clue how checking a chmod is going to fuck up my security |
| 20:56.07 | Plouj | I need to figure out how to make the inetd daemon to run as an init service |
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| 20:56.18 | tralala | SkareCrow, really? Have you tested it? |
| 20:56.32 | SkareCrow | if i was already testing i wouldnt be in here |
| 20:56.44 | peterS | SkareCrow: you have already proven that you have no idea what you are talking about. therefore, you hacking around in system utilities can only lead to bad things, except by sheerest luck. if I were you I'd leave well enough alone. |
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| 20:57.12 | SkareCrow | i came in here asking about a program that did something like this |
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| 20:57.23 | SkareCrow | no one ever said i am going to go right away and start hacking this shit |
| 20:57.27 | jelly | SkareCrow: it's not going to provide any additional security anyway. |
| 20:57.34 | peterS | you just said you were going to do exactly that. I'm warning you not to. |
| 20:57.40 | SkareCrow | of course i am going to do alot of research but i wanted to make sure there isnt already something like this |
| 20:57.52 | SkareCrow | well we will see what comes of it |
| 20:57.54 | dan2 | asg: why is that? |
| 20:58.20 | peterS | if your security model depends on "if someone cracks the skarecrow user, who owns all these files, I'm toast", then the correct response is "make sure nobody can log in as skarecrow". perhaps disable the skarecrow login using the 'chuser' command. |
| 20:58.20 | SkareCrow | maybe when i am done setting up all this shit i will give you access to my box |
| 20:58.22 | tralala | SkareCrow, yes, there is - a file owned by root and writable by the group is protected |
| 20:58.49 | SkareCrow | did you not get what i said |
| 20:59.02 | peterS | errr, sorry, 'usermod', not 'chuser'. chuser is in AIX. |
| 20:59.08 | asg | |
| 20:59.09 | SkareCrow | read up about my example |
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| 20:59.44 | peterS | SkareCrow: you can get what you want with selinux policies. but that is a lot more cumbersome than chown. |
| 21:00.01 | SkareCrow | but you guys dont get it lol |
| 21:00.01 | SkareCrow | i am sure im going to end up doing all this shit |
| 21:00.01 | peterS | hahahaha. speaking of people who don't get it |
| 21:00.18 | tralala | I admit I don't get it. |
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| 21:00.29 | Piggy | lol |
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| 21:00.38 | SkareCrow | we will see |
| 21:00.42 | tralala | are you trying to protect your files from yourself? |
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| 21:00.56 | SkareCrow | im trying to proect my files from myself if i am not myself |
| 21:01.26 | rumpl | double personality? |
| 21:01.56 | asg | SkareCrow: don't give your password away then |
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| 21:01.57 | peterS | SkareCrow: so lock your system down by disabling your user account when you aren't using it. that is what usermod is for. |
| 21:02.00 | tralala | SkareCrow, when you find a solution for this problem you'll be ready for the Nobel prise |
| 21:02.06 | SkareCrow | im pretty sure 30% of the people i have seen rooted never gave out there password |
| 21:02.16 | tralala | and you'll make the world a better place to live in |
| 21:02.30 | asg | SkareCrow: most people get rooted because they don't update their systems when vulnerabilities are fixed. |
| 21:02.32 | yang | Is there a special shutdown procedure for the disks mounted with LVM+crypto ? |
| 21:02.47 | abrotman | it unencrypts all your data and sends it to the FBI |
| 21:03.07 | SkareCrow | that most people |
| 21:03.17 | SkareCrow | there are still alot of people after that |
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| 21:04.01 | tralala | SkareCrow, make sure to share your advancements. I want this kind of security for all my bank cards. |
| 21:04.38 | jelly | tralala: there's a PAM fingerprint module. ;-) |
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| 21:04.52 | malverian | Any of you using Debian Etch + grsecurity ? |
| 21:05.01 | abrotman | ask the real question |
| 21:05.23 | tralala | jelly, what if the cut my fingers!?!!1 |
| 21:05.27 | tralala | they |
| 21:05.29 | malverian | That is the question, I was just curious if anyone was using it. |
| 21:05.36 | jelly | tralala: if you have a biometric sensor, one can set up pam to only allow someone who has your warm right index finger to log in. ;-) |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | malverian: i'm sure many are |
| 21:07.04 | malverian | How about this: How well does grsecurity "high" setting work with with a default debian install? |
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| 21:07.05 | jelly | malverian: does the "high" setting include RSBAC rules? |
| 21:07.05 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | the real question! |
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| 21:07.07 | asg | abrotman: boxers or briefs? |
| 21:07.09 | abrotman | (i thought there was a debian-grsecurity mailing list) |
| 21:07.13 | abrotman | asg: freeballin' ? |
| 21:07.20 | tralala | jelly, wooow! Security is advancing! Now can I have one of these for $20, please? ;) |
| 21:07.23 | asg | abrotman: teabaggin |
| 21:07.31 | abrotman | asg: i don't have a mrs asg for that |
| 21:07.37 | malverian | abrotman: I was hoping there was a #debian-security but there isn't. |
| 21:07.38 | asg | abrotman: ah, shame that |
| 21:07.48 | jelly | tralala: sure, have a 2.6.18.2-grsec package here: ftp.carnet.hr |
| 21:08.07 | malverian | jelly: ooh! I had created my own, but maybe i'll try that one instead :) |
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| 21:08.20 | tralala | jelly, meh, I mean a biometric sensor |
| 21:08.28 | jelly | malverian: DON'T, you don't know where it's been. |
| 21:08.40 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 21:08.40 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 21:09.15 | jelly | tralala: there's one for $35-50, but doesn't have a working Linux driver yet. ;-) |
| 21:09.24 | malverian | jelly: Maybe adamantix has a package... |
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| 21:09.36 | asg | !tell cpio about away |
| 21:09.41 | abrotman | !tell cpio about die |
| 21:09.47 | jelly | tralala: http://linuxbiometrics.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4 |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | can we have greycat back just to kick the /away people ? |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | malverian: there is a debian-security mailing list |
| 21:10.33 | dan2 | !cpio |
| 21:11.16 | tralala | jelly, and when I have one nobody will be able to use my computer but me and the people who are able to exploit the software bugs it has... |
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| 21:13.36 | peterS | SkareCrow: someone else suggests just running your entire website from a read-only filesystem. 'mount -o remount,ro /srv/http' or whatever. |
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| 21:15.54 | cpio | ouch sorry |
| 21:16.02 | abrotman | HIT HIM AGAIN! |
| 21:16.24 | stew | !dachs abrotman |
| 21:16.25 | dpkg | abrotman: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 21:16.42 | SkareCrow | your saying that i am taking a bad aproch to securing my box yet you have shit load of ports open on your box |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | !alicekill stew |
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| 21:17.04 | peterS | SkareCrow: uhhh ... whom are you talking to? |
| 21:17.09 | SkareCrow | u |
| 21:17.14 | peterS | !u |
| 21:17.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:17.27 | SkareCrow | im using aolbonics if i want :) |
| 21:17.30 | peterS | yes, I have a lot of ports open. 'cause I run a lot of services. each service needs a port, you see. |
| 21:17.33 | abrotman | stew: i fully recommend you get a spring training package as a surprise for the wife :) |
| 21:17.35 | SkareCrow | if you dont like it remove me from the channel |
| 21:17.42 | jelly | abrotman: s/burnt/cleaned, prepared, and well done/, then we'll be talking. MMMmmm, long pig! |
| 21:17.46 | SkareCrow | but how many do you actually use |
| 21:18.04 | peterS | SkareCrow: I don't install software on my box - including server software - that I don't intend to use |
| 21:18.14 | SkareCrow | some skiddie come along and see that and go, o the joy of packet flooding all these ports! |
| 21:18.16 | stew | abrotman: florida sucks |
| 21:18.22 | abrotman | stew: spring baseball! |
| 21:18.28 | lilalinux | how do I prevent some modules to be loaded automatically at boot time? |
| 21:18.32 | stew | abrotman: doens't that happen in floridy |
| 21:18.36 | stew | lilalinux: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | stew: i'm not disagreeing that it sucks ... but spring training! |
| 21:18.36 | asg | lilalinux: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:18.45 | stew | !pubtime |
| 21:18.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 21:18.47 | peterS | SkareCrow: dude ... what has packet flooding got to do with anything? attackers can send packets to any port on any machine and "flood" it and use the same amount of your bandwidth whether the port is "open" or not |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:19.00 | lilalinux | stew: thx |
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| 21:19.13 | SkareCrow | but even more so when you have ports open |
| 21:19.21 | jelly | SkareCrow: who has ports open? |
| 21:19.32 | peterS | SkareCrow: how so? they've already used your bandwidth by the time the packet gets to your machine. how does it make a difference whether the port is "open" or not? |
| 21:19.33 | lilalinux | stew: I have no /etc/discover |
| 21:19.49 | tralala | !troll gong |
| 21:19.49 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 21:19.52 | jelly | SkareCrow: and what's wrong with ports being open? |
| 21:20.01 | lilalinux | ah, got it |
| 21:20.05 | SkareCrow | there is nothing wrong with it |
| 21:20.19 | stew | lilalinux: what versions (if any) of hotplug / discover / udev are installed (dpkg -l packagename will give you a version) |
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| 21:20.30 | jelly | SkareCrow: I don't see your point. |
| 21:20.30 | peterS | SkareCrow: also, was I supposed to be alarmed by your admission that you are portscanning me? I'm not, though I think it's generally considered a hostile act when someone portscans a machine that he doesn't admin |
| 21:20.39 | tralala | SkareCrow, stop pretending that you have any idea about security already. Your slashdot literacy won't impress anybody here. |
| 21:20.53 | SkareCrow | rofl |
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| 21:20.56 | SkareCrow | i didnt say anything like that |
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| 21:21.03 | stew | lilalinux: if you have udev > 0.6 then you want the /etc/modprobe.d method |
| 21:21.07 | SkareCrow | i am saying why does he have so many ports open |
| 21:21.17 | lilalinux | stew: thx |
| 21:21.23 | SkareCrow | he is complaining of a way i am going about protecting a chmod |
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| 21:21.27 | peterS | SkareCrow: and I'm saying why is that any of your business? I run services, that's all |
| 21:21.30 | SkareCrow | yet he is 20x more vulnerable then me |
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| 21:21.39 | jelly | SkareCrow: this is non-sequitur. |
| 21:21.42 | stew | not a hair over 12x |
| 21:21.51 | tralala | bwahahaha |
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| 21:22.04 | SkareCrow | and i bet your ass if i had the time in life to fuck with some lo life i would find a way |
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| 21:22.10 | SkareCrow | fuck all you little pricks |
| 21:22.10 | peterS | SkareCrow: I complain because your "protection" will not do anything useful. so either it is unnecessary or it is insufficient. take your pick. either way you shouldn't bother. |
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| 21:22.18 | peterS | oh boy |
| 21:22.20 | peterS | he really told _us_ |
| 21:22.23 | asg | well, that was refreshing |
| 21:22.31 | jelly | "screw you guys, I'm going home ->"? |
| 21:22.44 | stew | who was the "he" he was referring to? peterS? |
| 21:22.46 | peterS | I wish I had such a great parting shot so I could quit in a huff and really _show everyone up_ |
| 21:23.01 | asg | stew: all of us apparently |
| 21:23.24 | stew | peterS is a corky lo life |
| 21:23.25 | peterS | stew: apparently, yeah. he portscanned me because I'm so cavalier as not to even use a nick cloak, and not to run a firewall, because I think I actually have a clue how to run a reasonably secure box without those things |
| 21:23.42 | abrotman | peterS: wouldn't that require a /part at some point? :) |
| 21:23.53 | peterS | abrotman: maybe just a /cycle |
| 21:24.01 | jelly | peterS: bwahaha! I'll now PING you to DEATH! |
| 21:24.25 | peterS | jelly: your inferior ping flood is no match for my superior ICMP BLOCKING FIREWALL. MUAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:24.27 | tralala | good thing I'm laying down because I would've really fallen down laughing |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | fatass |
| 21:24.58 | stew | peterS: make sure to use -j REJECT when rejecting pings so that you can cut down on traffic |
| 21:25.07 | peterS | stew: ha |
| 21:25.16 | jelly | stew: lol |
| 21:25.18 | tralala | 115kg is fat?!? |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | what was he trying to do ? |
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| 21:25.30 | abrotman | not let the owner write to a file ? |
| 21:25.38 | asg | abrotman: protect himself from himself |
| 21:25.50 | tralala | abrotman, only when the owner is not the actual owner but a pretender! |
| 21:25.50 | abrotman | that's why i have a padded room |
| 21:25.56 | peterS | abrotman: in a nutshell: he wants to own all the files on his website, but he wants to effectively block himself out from them when he isn't actively editing stuff |
| 21:25.58 | abrotman | oh i've seen that before! |
| 21:26.08 | abrotman | peterS: use CVS? :) |
| 21:26.12 | abrotman | erm .. SVN! |
| 21:26.13 | karsten | peterS: There _is_ the advantage to firewalling ports that you may gather less ttention from bots and lusers. And interest tends to require attention. |
| 21:26.13 | asg | abrotman: I suggested that |
| 21:26.15 | abrotman | i meant SVN!!! |
| 21:26.19 | peterS | abrotman: well, 'mount -o remount,ro' is really the best approach to that |
| 21:26.21 | karsten | abrotman: Hg! |
| 21:26.36 | asg | peterS: until someone roots him and remounts rw |
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| 21:26.41 | peterS | abrotman: but by the time I got around to mentioning that, he'd already concluded that I had no credibility because I run portmapper |
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| 21:27.09 | abrotman | IIRC .. if you chmod -w a file .. and then use vi .. it will say "you can't write this .. use :w!" or something like that |
| 21:27.16 | pollywog | anyone know why winesetuptk was removed from Debian? |
| 21:27.16 | peterS | asg: setting a bar that requires someone to root the box is at least something concrete. unlike hacking /bin/chmod to do additional security checks. |
| 21:27.28 | asg | peterS: agreed |
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| 21:27.41 | DanlaptopOFFICE | hi all |
| 21:27.58 | jelly | peterS: Ha-ha! portmapper See me HACK YO with my LEET rpcinfo skillz! |
| 21:28.20 | DanlaptopOFFICE | on a kernel install i'm getting /sbin/init 432 cannot open dev/console: no such file |
| 21:28.29 | peterS | jelly: I wonder which service of mine he actually thought was the death to my credibility. could be portmapper, could be http, could be... who knows |
| 21:28.31 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 21:28.31 | dpkg | i guess devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 21:28.32 | karsten | asg: Fight the Urge! |
| 21:28.33 | DanlaptopOFFICE | i've apt-get'd the kerne; |
| 21:28.43 | pollywog | anyone know why winesetuptk was removed from Debian? ... and who or what is "britney"? |
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| 21:28.54 | stew | abrotman: do we know if any of the info in that factoid is actually useful? |
| 21:28.57 | asg | karsten: too late |
| 21:29.14 | stew | !britney |
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| 21:29.17 | peterS | pollywog: britney is one of the ftp archive maintenance scripts. only certain debian developers should have to know anything about its operation |
| 21:29.27 | abrotman | stew: mixed results so i've heard .. i've never personally had the problem |
| 21:29.33 | pollywog | oic thanks |
| 21:29.43 | stew | peterS: he's probably seeing "removed by BRITNEY" on the pts |
| 21:29.45 | abrotman | britney is one of the girls |
| 21:29.47 | karsten | Guerin: Resuming the trip? |
| 21:29.48 | peterS | stew: ahhh |
| 21:29.48 | abrotman | !thegirls |
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| 21:29.51 | abrotman | !girls |
| 21:29.52 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 21:29.55 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:29.57 | tralala | peterS, the combination of all of them. This is what makes you really insecure - the more lines you get out of nmap the less secure you are! |
| 21:29.59 | pollywog | stew: yes something like that |
| 21:30.16 | peterS | pollywog: ftp.debian.org (and mirrors) uses a rather complex set of scripts to keep it all running with new package updates and such. britney is the script responsible for migrating things from 'unstable' to 'testing', I believe. |
| 21:30.27 | pollywog | oic |
| 21:30.28 | asg | tralala: then again, peterS could be ircing from his poobear honeypot |
| 21:30.29 | pollywog | ty |
| 21:31.17 | pollywog | but if I get winesetuptk from some other source, will it work? |
| 21:31.22 | abrotman | peterS: i thought that was katie |
| 21:31.32 | jelly | peterS: hey, can I put that into a "britney" factoid? |
| 21:31.36 | SkareCrow | mr peter is busy on the phone |
| 21:31.38 | minerale | what is the package name for the "Debian Security Analyzer" ? apt-cache search debsecan gives me nothing |
| 21:31.47 | SkareCrow | tell me to shut up |
| 21:32.05 | peterS | jelly: I can't remember for sure what it does |
| 21:32.08 | stew | abrotman: no katie moves stuff into unstable, britney into testing, i think |
| 21:32.13 | pollywog | otherwise I don't know how to configure wine without doing lots of tinkering |
| 21:32.18 | abrotman | SkareCrow: aren't you mad at us |
| 21:32.19 | abrotman | !katie |
| 21:32.20 | dpkg | somebody said katie was who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7, or history |
| 21:32.24 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 21:32.39 | jelly | peterS: ok, I'll check it out first |
| 21:32.41 | stew | but i thought the girls were all renamed |
| 21:32.41 | asg | abrotman: haha, that's a vnet account |
| 21:32.48 | peterS | SkareCrow: go away, you aren't impressing anyone. did you think you're actually the first person to look up my phone number based on IRC information? did you really think I ever tried to make that information hard to find? |
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| 21:33.05 | SkareCrow | pick up your phone |
| 21:33.12 | jelly | dpkg, britney is ftp.debian.org (and mirrors) uses a rather complex set of scripts to keep it all running with new package updates and such. britney is the script responsible for migrating things from 'unstable' to 'testing'. |
| 21:33.13 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 21:33.18 | pollywog | the bots are contentious today |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | SkareCrow: stop it already .. that kind of crap gets you klined |
| 21:33.28 | abrotman | idiot |
| 21:33.38 | SkareCrow | i couldnt give a shit |
| 21:33.46 | stew | SkareCrow: please keep it on topic. if you are trying to comminicate with peterS privately, please do it uh, privately |
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| 21:33.49 | asg | SkareCrow: so why are you still in here? |
| 21:33.57 | peterS | SkareCrow: and yet you cared enough to make a phone call to a stranger. obviously you care more than you let on. loser. |
| 21:34.01 | DanlaptopOFFICE | abrotman can;'t i just del it when its booted up? |
| 21:34.04 | abrotman | asg: you have open ports! .. you're a loser! |
| 21:34.16 | abrotman | DanlaptopOFFICE: not quite |
| 21:34.20 | asg | abrotman: I have open ports, it's true |
| 21:34.32 | abrotman | asg: i'm l33t .. i only have FTP open! |
| 21:34.56 | jelly | abrotman: Now then, putting sshd on port 21 is just nasty. |
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| 21:35.01 | asg | abrotman: my ports only speak uubp |
| 21:35.14 | jelly | asg: b as in beer? |
| 21:35.21 | asg | jelly: of course |
| 21:35.24 | SkareCrow | expect a few phone calls from a few 800 and 900 numbers |
| 21:35.28 | SkareCrow | along with a few universitys |
| 21:35.29 | abrotman | asg: what happens when the stream stops? |
| 21:35.37 | SkareCrow | few gay pr0n magz in the mail |
| 21:35.41 | asg | jelly: asg@grep:~$ apropos uubp |
| 21:35.41 | asg | uubp (1fun) - Unix-to-Unix beer protocol |
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| 21:35.44 | abrotman | !tell SkareCrow about gay |
| 21:36.04 | peterS | SkareCrow: dude I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but try to keep it on topic in here, 'kay? |
| 21:36.16 | gendrool | lol |
| 21:36.24 | w0rd54 | lol |
| 21:36.29 | CharminTheMoose | what a neopyte |
| 21:36.35 | w0rd54 | borat is that you? |
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| 21:37.00 | freebse | West London Rulez |
| 21:37.07 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 21:37.12 | abrotman | it's not even sunday! |
| 21:37.19 | karsten | !friday |
| 21:37.19 | dpkg | friday is, like, Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 21:37.20 | Coweater | heh, was just thinking that |
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| 21:37.31 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 21:37.35 | freebse | but it is friday |
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| 21:37.58 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Didn't you show up here first on a Sunday ;-) |
| 21:38.24 | wols_ | asg: irc at the pub? |
| 21:38.30 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:How in the name of a fuzzy things do you remember things like that?? |
| 21:38.31 | gendrool | my bad, i'm born on a sunday ? |
| 21:38.35 | wireddd | wols_, your pub does have irc? |
| 21:38.42 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: :-) |
| 21:38.44 | wols_ | no. asg's does |
| 21:38.48 | abrotman | wols_: aren't you jealous ? |
| 21:38.52 | wireddd | wols_, your pub doesn't have irc? |
| 21:38.56 | abrotman | wols_: apparently every bar in his town has wifi |
| 21:38.58 | wols_ | abrotman: no. I don't drink beer |
| 21:39.05 | wols_ | wireddd: I don't have a pub |
| 21:39.05 | abrotman | milk ? |
| 21:39.09 | wols_ | and neither do I have wlan |
| 21:39.10 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: I recall it was a day on which I had copious discretionary time. |
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| 21:39.11 | wols_ | tea |
| 21:39.31 | tralala | abrotman, low fat, please! |
| 21:39.36 | abrotman | ew |
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| 21:39.49 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:ah |
| 21:39.51 | CharminTheMoose | indeed |
| 21:39.55 | wireddd | I don't just drink beer I brew it too! |
| 21:40.22 | abrotman | you and Ronin |
| 21:40.48 | stew | soon i'll have enough time to start brewing beer again |
| 21:40.54 | asg | yay |
| 21:40.58 | stew | i now have a backyard for the first time in years |
| 21:41.40 | karsten | stew: ... and quite a "porch" as well ;-) |
| 21:41.40 | gendrool | lol, there's none such monkey |
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| 21:41.41 | abrotman | stew has a porch ? |
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| 21:41.42 | wireddd | are there any other homebrew utilities packaged for debian besides qbrew? |
| 21:41.47 | stew | karsten: yeah, if i start brewing beer, i'll probably start building my porch out again |
| 21:41.57 | karsten | stew: Beer does that. |
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| 21:42.13 | stew | so does not getting on my bike in 2 months |
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| 21:42.55 | stew | i'm probably even slower than abrotman on my bike these days |
| 21:43.18 | peterS | my beer brings all the boys to the yard |
| 21:43.19 | abrotman | hey .. i'm like 12-15 mph |
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| 21:43.39 | abrotman | though it is mostly flat i guess .. though there is road traffic |
| 21:43.40 | stew | ok, not that slow |
| 21:44.02 | abrotman | stew: i also have a mtn bike .. not a road bike .. and i'm riding gravel trails .. not pavement |
| 21:44.18 | niles | why is it on my installation of debian, and my installation only, that the connect system call returns perror connect: Invalid argument |
| 21:44.30 | niles | everyone in ##C and the C coders in here say my code is fine. |
| 21:44.32 | niles | why me. |
| 21:44.45 | niles | i got my Debian sarge 3.1 Cd from a magazine |
| 21:44.51 | abrotman | which gcc ? |
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| 21:45.17 | niles | abrotman: gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 21:45.26 | peterS | I don't think I'll ride very fast tonight when I actually have to leave the apartment. there's a significant amount of snow on the ground, some of which may also exist on the major streets I'll be riding on. ordinarily I ride somewhere between 15 and 20 mph, but tonight I might take it slower. |
| 21:45.33 | karsten | niles: Doesn't matter where you got sarge from, depends on what packages you're currently running (your /etc/apt/sources.list file) |
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| 21:45.55 | abrotman | yeah .. and i don't ride in the winter:) |
| 21:45.56 | peterS | niles: did you call socket() to create a file descriptor, or what? |
| 21:46.17 | stew | peterS: i have no such excuse. its like 60° here today |
| 21:46.32 | abrotman | sitll too cold! |
| 21:46.36 | abrotman | and it was just raining here |
| 21:46.37 | peterS | stew: bah. it's still hovering below 32 here. it was down to like 19 yesterday. |
| 21:46.43 | abrotman | stew: oh yeah .. rain is coming! .. wind too! |
| 21:46.49 | niles | peterS: yes |
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| 21:46.54 | peterS | stew: two days ago I had to ride in freezing rain and a 20mph headwind. that was ... not too much fun. |
| 21:46.55 | asg | abrotman: been here, did that |
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| 21:47.10 | peterS | niles: can you paste your code somewhere? I'll have a look |
| 21:47.14 | peterS | !paster |
| 21:47.14 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:47.15 | niles | the Examples in Richard Stevens UNP all return a perror on connect() |
| 21:47.19 | niles | sure |
| 21:47.30 | abrotman | peterS: i'm not sure if you're aware of these things called .. cars and/or buses .. but they have a roof .. and heat |
| 21:47.38 | peterS | (btw, the paste bot in this channel is disabled, you have to advertise your own pastes) |
| 21:47.44 | asg | and wireless |
| 21:47.49 | davidm_ | What-is-the-preferred-xserver-config-tool? |
| 21:47.56 | peterS | davidm_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:48.04 | davidm_ | (having-trouble-with-space-bar) |
| 21:48.10 | stew | heh |
| 21:48.17 | peterS | davidm_: or, for etch (unreleased debian 4.0), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:48.23 | rfrank | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 21:48.24 | niles | peterS: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/I4vPvu33.html |
| 21:48.27 | stew | rfrank: as root |
| 21:48.31 | rfrank | aha |
| 21:48.32 | rfrank | durh |
| 21:48.43 | peterS | niles: ok, looking.. |
| 21:48.59 | davidm_ | peterS: tnx |
| 21:49.01 | niles | i tried both if((connect(sockfd,(struct sockaddr*) &servaddr,sizeof servaddr )) < 0) { and if((connect(sockfd,(struct sockaddr*) &servaddr,sizeof (struct sockaddr) )) < 0) { |
| 21:49.11 | niles | third parameter |
| 21:49.34 | peterS | niles: yeah I don't think the third parameter size difference makes any difference. but let me keep reading.. |
| 21:50.22 | rfrank | whats the best way to switch to / install xfce on fresh install of debian |
| 21:50.28 | niles | ok |
| 21:50.36 | rumpl | niles, there is nothing wrong with the code. |
| 21:51.03 | CharminTheMoose | rfrank:plain engrish please? |
| 21:51.04 | tralala | niles, what kind of server does this connect to? I'm using it with a netcat here and it appears to be working |
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| 21:52.16 | eldowan | Am I doing something incorect? when I issue ping <host> -t 32 I expect a ttl value of 32, but I get 64. |
| 21:52.16 | niles | tralala: this is client side, how are youi connect to this program with netcat |
| 21:52.18 | Darth_Vader | hi |
| 21:52.22 | niles | tralala: a simple echo server |
| 21:52.34 | niles | but it wont connect in the first place, server up or down. |
| 21:52.36 | tralala | niles, netcat is the server |
| 21:52.38 | peterS | niles: I'd say &servaddr.sin_addr.s_addr there, but that probably makes no difference |
| 21:52.39 | niles | hence connect reurns perror |
| 21:52.40 | niles | oh ok |
| 21:52.52 | Darth_Vader | i have a little trouble with my debian etch, my nvidia fx 5200 is not recognized :\ |
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| 21:52.54 | niles | peterS: i tried that too |
| 21:53.07 | rumpl | niles, the problem is not in the code! |
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| 21:53.14 | rumpl | the code is fine. |
| 21:53.14 | peterS | niles: I don't see any problems with the code either. I'll look again. |
| 21:53.16 | niles | tralala and peterS what version of gcc are you guys using ? |
| 21:53.21 | karsten | eldowan: Any difference unprivileged vs. root? |
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| 21:53.28 | eldowan | karsten: nope |
| 21:53.33 | tralala | oh, wait a sec... you've hardcoded the server address |
| 21:53.33 | peterS | I didn't try to compile it. I don't think gcc version should make any difference here, frankly |
| 21:53.44 | niles | my gcc points to 3.3 alghough i just did an apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 21:53.50 | niles | the soft link that is. |
| 21:53.50 | karsten | eldowan: ... and how are you determining the ping's ttl? |
| 21:54.03 | peterS | niles: yeah you can try compiling with 'gcc-3.4' but I doubt that makes a difference |
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| 21:54.08 | niles | oh |
| 21:54.29 | karsten | eldowan: ping -t 8 google.com |
| 21:54.34 | karsten | From sl-googl1-4-0.sprintlink.net (144.223.242.66) icmp_seq=0 Time to live exceeded |
| 21:54.44 | peterS | niles: you're even using htons for the port number, I've seen people screw that up before. so it looks like you actually know what you're doing (: |
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| 21:54.46 | karsten | eldowan: Granted this is a non-Debian system. |
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| 21:54.47 | eldowan | karsten: By the returned value of ping -->64 bytes from 199.30.30.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=4.91 ms |
| 21:54.49 | niles | peterS: id dont think there is anything wrong with the code. other can succesfully use it. whats wrong with my Debian installation. i used the same code on Ubuntu. |
| 21:55.02 | karsten | eldowan: What are you setting ttl to? |
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| 21:55.09 | niles | peterS: yes i have been coding sockets for a year. |
| 21:55.11 | Flimzy | I'm having difficulty getting xen 3.0.3 working on etch. The domU cannot mount the root fs. Anyone fooled with this before? |
| 21:55.13 | rfrank | Whats the best way to switch to xfce with fresh install of Debian |
| 21:55.24 | niles | but when i try to run clients on debian, this being my first time. it get his perror |
| 21:55.25 | CharminTheMoose | rfrank:um,download it? |
| 21:55.31 | eldowan | karsten: I've tried 128 and 32 among others |
| 21:55.34 | karsten | eldowan: ping -t 160 google.com |
| 21:55.35 | peterS | niles: and 'gcc -Wall' does not throw any warnings? that's the easiest way to catch stupid mistakes like getting parameters in the wrong order |
| 21:55.35 | rfrank | I just installed it with aptitude, that's okay? |
| 21:55.40 | karsten | eldowan: 64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99): icmp_seq=0 ttl=235 time=59.7 ms |
| 21:55.49 | niles | peterS: i compiled with both -Wall and -O2 |
| 21:55.50 | karsten | eldowan: Note that I set 160, and got 235. |
| 21:55.52 | niles | i always do |
| 21:56.06 | rfrank | And I can't figure out how to change the resolution in xfce besides using the gnome settings manager which I will hopefully remove, and evne that only allows me to pick two lower resolutions |
| 21:56.08 | peterS | good practice. anyway ... what's the connect error again? |
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| 21:56.52 | niles | connect: Invalid argument |
| 21:56.53 | niles | peterS |
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| 21:57.07 | karsten | niles: I think the echo-reply gets its own ttl. Run tcpdump and look at your _own_ outgoing icmp packets. |
| 21:57.08 | peterS | interesting - 'man 2 connect' does not mention EINVAL |
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| 21:57.24 | karsten | peterS: does it mention tzweival? |
| 21:57.33 | niles | karsten: i dont see how i will see any packets inthe first place. if it cant connect but ill try that |
| 21:57.43 | peterS | karsten: no but it has EIGENVAL |
| 21:57.51 | karsten | niles: You're looking at your _outbound_ icmp traffic. |
| 21:58.01 | jelly | eldowan: some network devices change the ttl. traceroute and tracepath show the outgoing ttl in the first column. |
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| 21:58.05 | karsten | niles: emphasis on _your_ and _outbound_ |
| 21:58.05 | rfrank | I ran the x11 configure and set it so it'll use higher res's |
| 21:58.11 | rfrank | however it still refuses to in gnome settings man |
| 21:58.22 | niles | karsten: both client and server are on the same machine |
| 21:58.41 | karsten | niles: matters not. Sniff lo. |
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| 21:58.59 | davidm_ | peterS: Not sure-if-i-have-xorg-or-xfree. |
| 21:59.12 | peterS | davidm_: try-em-both-then-only-one-will-work |
| 21:59.19 | tralala | niles, works fine here - sarge, gcc 3.3.5 |
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| 21:59.43 | karsten | Nevermind. |
| 21:59.44 | davidm_ | I |
| 22:00.59 | niles | karsten: yea nothing on lo but i get an error that says tcpdump: WARNING: lo: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 22:00.59 | niles | tcpdump -i lo |
| 22:00.59 | tralala | niles, have you messed up with your headers? |
| 22:01.00 | karsten | niles: Sort that then. |
| 22:01.01 | eldowan | jelly: karsten: when issuing ping to a foreign network, the ttl value sets correctly. Pinging on my local network to another debian machine always seems to show 64 as the ttl... |
| 22:01.01 | davidm_ | hello, a space bar that works. |
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| 22:01.01 | peterS | niles: oh that might be a problem. I wonder why lo isn't bound to 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:01.02 | tralala | niles, do you have build-essential installed? |
| 22:01.02 | niles | oh yea |
| 22:01.02 | niles | i need to assign it a loop back |
| 22:01.02 | rfrank | How can I change the resolution in xfce? |
| 22:01.02 | karsten | davidm_: I prefer a space bar that rocks. |
| 22:01.03 | karsten | davidm_: Moss Eisley, for example. |
| 22:01.03 | davidm_ | ok |
| 22:01.03 | peterS | niles: edit /etc/network/interfaces, make sure you have 'iface lo inet loopback' and 'auto lo' lines |
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| 22:01.08 | niles | ha ha !!! it worked |
| 22:01.19 | niles | now it's just a connection refused but i can handlie it from there |
| 22:01.27 | niles | thanx peterS and tralala and karsten |
| 22:01.27 | davidm_ | I seem to have xorg.conf and XF86config-4 in /etc/X |
| 22:01.37 | peterS | niles: so that was the problem - lo not set up properly? I wonder why it threw that particular error code.... anyway I'm glad the mystery is solved (: |
| 22:01.46 | tralala | hmm, a missing loopback - the source of all kinds of weird problems |
| 22:01.46 | davidm_ | So, not real sure which I should be using. |
| 22:01.59 | niles | peterS: i turned of dhcp client |
| 22:02.00 | peterS | davidm_: if you have both, you're probably using xorg |
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| 22:02.16 | niles | i cant get /etc/network/interfaces working so i ifconfig every time i reboot |
| 22:02.18 | davidm_ | But didn't seem to be able to use dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 |
| 22:02.38 | tralala | niles, what do you mean you can't get it working? |
| 22:02.42 | peterS | davidm_: the upgrade from xfree86 to xorg does not delete the XF86Config-4 file, so if you have both, you probably want 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 22:03.04 | karsten | niles: NP. |
| 22:03.10 | davidm_ | and apt-get cannot find package xfree86 |
| 22:03.27 | peterS | davidm_: you don't want package xfree86. you already have 'xserver-xorg' installed, probably |
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| 22:03.44 | davidm_ | I tried using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but |
| 22:03.56 | davidm_ | the Xserver still won't load |
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| 22:04.18 | peterS | davidm_: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log looking for (EE) lines, see if you can figure out why it's failing |
| 22:05.51 | niles | are there any flaws in my /etc/network/interfaces ? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/X1YWAt51.html |
| 22:06.02 | davidm_ | It says that "Cannot open /dev/psaux" |
| 22:06.22 | peterS | niles: no, looks fine |
| 22:06.28 | davidm_ | "cannot open input device" |
| 22:06.29 | peterS | davidm_: try 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 22:06.46 | davidm_ | "unloadable module mouse" |
| 22:06.51 | davidm_ | peterS: ok |
| 22:07.45 | davidm_ | it says PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 22:07.58 | davidm_ | (It is a trackball 3 button) |
| 22:08.17 | enouf | rfrank: dunno how to configure xfce for hogher res.. but perhaps,as root, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and set xfce as default? |
| 22:08.40 | peterS | davidm_: is the trackball plugged into a USB port or into a PS/2 port? this will affect which other kernel module(s) you might need. which may or may not be loaded already. |
| 22:08.45 | davidm_ | I think I just chose standard ps2 mouse |
| 22:08.52 | davidm_ | in configuration |
| 22:09.03 | davidm_ | It is plugged into ps2 |
| 22:09.05 | davidm_ | port |
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| 22:09.18 | peterS | davidm_: so, make sure the 'psmouse' kernel module is loaded. though it probably already is. ('lsmod' will tell you.) |
| 22:09.24 | davidm_ | and is a logitek 3 button trackball mouse |
| 22:09.48 | davidm_ | yes, psmouse is loaded |
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| 22:09.55 | peterS | davidm_: like the T-CH11 model? ("trackman marble") that's what I use, has worked flawlessly for years (: |
| 22:10.03 | fas3r | hi all |
| 22:10.36 | davidm_ | Yes, this too is T-CH11 model |
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| 22:10.38 | davidm_ | (I have 4 of 'em) |
| 22:10.45 | enouf | peterS: /dev/input/mice ? . note the /dev/psaux above that davidm_ posted |
| 22:11.00 | peterS | enouf: I know. it will still work. |
| 22:11.11 | enouf | ok |
| 22:11.29 | peterS | davidm_: (: nice trackball IMO. I took out the retaining ring a long time ago, it provides too much resistance against the trackball. other than that, it's been great. |
| 22:11.33 | fas3r | i nned to extract the value of the total of memory was return with the command "top" do you have an idea please :s |
| 22:11.56 | fas3r | i don't know what's the better it's to use cut or awk ... :s |
| 22:11.57 | peterS | fas3r: you probably want the second line of numbers from the 'free' command |
| 22:12.21 | enouf | fas3r: willl cat /proc/meminfo do what you need? |
| 22:12.25 | peterS | fas3r: well, if you want _total_ memory that would be on the first line of numbers from 'free' I guess |
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| 22:12.47 | peterS | fas3r: free | awk '/Mem:/{print $2}' |
| 22:12.55 | davidm_ | Display adapter is: NV34 GForce FX 5200 |
| 22:13.19 | fas3r | thank a lot peterS and enouf ^^ |
| 22:13.23 | davidm_ | Any Ideas on what to do with this system? |
| 22:13.30 | peterS | davidm_: so uh, you probably want to ensure that the 'mousedev' module loads next time you boot. add it to the /etc/modules file. |
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| 22:15.04 | enouf | fas3r: and also know 'top' then shift+m will place the process using the most mem at the top |
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| 22:15.40 | fas3r | oki thank a lot enouf ^^ |
| 22:15.45 | davidm__ | I seem to have fixed it. Startx worked for me this time. |
| 22:16.07 | davidm__ | I'm in gui now. But, can no longer get back to the tty I was using before. |
| 22:16.13 | davidm__ | Thanks all! :) |
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| 22:16.17 | fas3r | i want to graph all memory and cpu chage |
| 22:16.17 | fas3r | charge /: |
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| 22:23.53 | davidm__ | Ok was afk for a little bit |
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| 22:24.55 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:24.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 22:30.45 | ehj20 | How might I go about creating a software raid 1 array with 1 internal and 1 external harddrive? |
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| 22:30.59 | blondie | that's crazy talk |
| 22:31.12 | blondie | but I suppose "the same way as you would if they were both internal"? |
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| 22:31.28 | blondie | I doubt mdadm would care that one was external |
| 22:31.32 | blondie | (or know) |
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| 22:32.53 | ehj20 | blondie: thanks. I only ask as someone on #macosx was talking about using a package on osx in that way. You could use 2 external drives and swap them periodically for a simple(ish) off site backup |
| 22:33.00 | dc3aes | hey guys I was in here once before groaning about my Asus P4P800-VM motherboard not working with Sarge or unstable .. it hangs up on IDE detection and if ever ive gotten it to work, any intensive IDE activity (like doing updatedb command) the system hangs! the south bridge is based on Intel ICH5 and I cant seem to find any boot workarounds or anything .. anyone deal with similar? thx. |
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| 22:33.18 | blondie | ehj20: I guess it might work, but I wouldn't do it that way |
| 22:33.28 | blondie | I'd use rsync to backup to it daily or something |
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| 22:33.30 | blondie | and then swap them |
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| 22:33.39 | Guerin | dc3aes: it's all about the kernel. Try the latest etch rc |
| 22:33.46 | ehj20 | blondie: that's pretty much what I'm doing at the moment |
| 22:33.56 | dc3aes | I just grabbed an etch netinstall image and booted it and it hung up in the installer |
| 22:34.10 | dc3aes | Guerin: saying something like HDD: Interupt lost or something |
| 22:34.14 | blondie | I might put debian on my linksys nslu2 |
| 22:34.19 | Guerin | dc3aes: try turning off DMA |
| 22:34.23 | blondie | and use it for backups |
| 22:34.31 | thelostbutler | hello folks is there no debian perl package for LWP::Parallel in stable tree ? from http://search.cpan.org/~marclang/ParallelUserAgent-2.57/lib/LWP/Parallel.pm i couldn;t find it on packages.debian.org i dunno if i looked correctly. would appreciate some help- |
| 22:34.42 | ehj20 | i'm not commenting on the sanity of the idea. It was an osx user anyway :-) |
| 22:34.43 | jelly | dc3aes: also, maybe you could try the libata drivers (used only for sata by default) |
| 22:34.43 | davidm__ | later all. Gnome seems to wrok in with StarX but now need to see if KDE works |
| 22:34.57 | dc3aes | Guerin: hmmm may try that. |
| 22:34.59 | Guerin | thelostbutler: aptitude search parallel |
| 22:35.09 | davidm__ | exit |
| 22:35.13 | davidm__ | bye |
| 22:35.13 | Guerin | thelostbutler: if it doesn't show up, use dh-make-perl to install it |
| 22:35.21 | dc3aes | jelly: I have a mix of 1 sata drive and 1 pata .. pata being master, boot, active.. OS, etc. |
| 22:35.23 | thelostbutler | Guerin: aah okay thanks |
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| 22:35.50 | Guerin | thelostbutler: dh-make-perl --build --cpan LWP::Parallel |
| 22:36.33 | creature | Hello. I'm having some trouble compiling a kernel - I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" on boot. I'm pretty sure I've got both the filesystem and IDE driver built into my kernel. |
| 22:36.37 | jelly | dc3aes: well, libata drivers have experimental support for PATA too in newer kernels. I use them on my laptop because it was the only way to get DMA working with the dvd device. |
| 22:36.41 | dc3aes | jelly: this libata looks promising I will continue reading on their site |
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| 22:36.52 | creature | The only thing I can think of is that I'm missing the partition type. But if anyone has other ideas, I would like to hear them. |
| 22:37.02 | Guerin | creature: use a debian kernel |
| 22:37.11 | dc3aes | jelly: and yes, its a catch 22 i turned off enchanced mode as recommended by someone then I couldnt boot my DVDRW ! :) |
| 22:37.17 | jelly | dc3aes: if you have 2.6.16 (maybe .17) or newer, add these as kernel options: "combined_mode=libata libata.atapi_en |
| 22:37.18 | jelly | abled=1" |
| 22:37.24 | Guerin | creature: and don';t be 'pretty sure', know. |
| 22:37.40 | dc3aes | jelly: i will go try that now.. cant hurt. thanks. |
| 22:37.49 | jelly | dc3aes: note that you PATA device will become /dev/sdX |
| 22:37.59 | creature | Guerin: Well, it's all compiled in in the interface, but I'm not sure about the IDE chipset. |
| 22:38.12 | dc3aes | jelly: k |
| 22:38.15 | jelly | dc3aes: so you might be unable to boot normally, with fstab being fucked up. |
| 22:38.22 | creature | If you want to help me be sure, please do. |
| 22:38.38 | malverian | I don't understand why this kernel isn't booting. My machine reboots (no error message visible) as soon as the kernel is executed. |
| 22:38.41 | dc3aes | jelly:.... are there risks of data loss here? |
| 22:38.45 | thelostbutler | Guerin: thank you |
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| 22:38.57 | Guerin | creature: grep your config for some likely strings from LSPCI |
| 22:39.05 | jelly | dc3aes: maybe if the driver is really bad. |
| 22:39.20 | dc3aes | might want to back up a few things :) |
| 22:39.28 | jelly | dc3aes: I don't think it's likely though. |
| 22:39.33 | Guerin | creature: so for instance, grep CH5 .config |
| 22:39.40 | dc3aes | jelly: ok .. if it was "somewhat possible" id back up some stuff.. but ok |
| 22:39.49 | h3sp4wn | dc3aes: Remember if you want to use libata you need a working initramfs (i.e libata and for example pata_amd (whichever yours is)) |
| 22:39.51 | jelly | dc3aes: nah, backups are ALWAYS good. |
| 22:39.57 | h3sp4wn | dc3aes: Or to compile them in statically |
| 22:40.00 | dc3aes | jelly: this is true |
| 22:40.03 | creature | Guerin: Well, how would I find out what my IDE chipset is? |
| 22:40.06 | anapivirtua | Nighty \\o |
| 22:40.08 | Guerin | creature: lspci |
| 22:40.30 | Guerin | creature: 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] for instance |
| 22:40.36 | dc3aes | h3sp4wn: thanks will read on that |
| 22:41.00 | jelly | dc3aes, h3sp4wn: he said ICH5, so that's intel (ata_piix I think) ... if your SATA drive is working you're already set. |
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| 22:41.36 | Guerin | piix is probably the best-supported ide chipset there is |
| 22:41.39 | creature | Guerin: "lspci | grep IDE" returns "00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02)" |
| 22:41.45 | Guerin | i'd be extremely doubtful that's the problem |
| 22:42.12 | jelly | Guerin: it is with my ICH6, so... |
| 22:42.18 | Guerin | creature: grep IDE .config |grep 82 |
| 22:42.27 | Guerin | jelly: hm, ok. |
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| 22:43.10 | jelly | Guerin: that drivers covers a number of intel chipset generations |
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| 22:43.26 | dc3aes | jelly: k thanks |
| 22:43.32 | creature | Nothing returned, Guerin. |
| 22:43.34 | Guerin | jelly: yeah, it must do, it's been around since the late 90s |
| 22:43.47 | jelly | ... I think I had a PIIX3 on a VX (or was it TX) mainboard |
| 22:43.52 | Guerin | creature: ok, so drop the last grep and look through the list |
| 22:43.57 | creature | Somebody yesterday told me this was the PIIX chipset. |
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| 22:44.06 | Guerin | creature: oh, it might be |
| 22:44.30 | jelly | creature: /msg dpkg hcl, then use the kmuto.jp link to find out the driver |
| 22:44.38 | creature | We went from a PCI id - something like lspci -n or lspci -v or similar. |
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| 22:44.43 | jelly | that cgi form is great goodness |
| 22:45.06 | Guerin | creature: sensible. The problem is pciids don't show in kernel config |
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| 22:46.07 | wireddd | is there a way to clear the cached memory that is listed in /proc/meminfo ? |
| 22:46.10 | mdeboer | i am trying to use ekiga for the first time, but i can't get any |
| 22:46.12 | creature | It says "driver: piix", Guerin. |
| 22:46.26 | mdeboer | connection. 500@ekiga.net does not work for me. (busy tone) |
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| 22:46.43 | Guerin | creature: is PIIX * in the kernel config? |
| 22:46.48 | creature | And if I grep for piix in my config, I get "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y" and "CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m". |
| 22:47.04 | mdeboer | #ekiga is pretty silent, so i was hoping someone here could help... |
| 22:47.37 | Guerin | mdeboer: you won't get much luck in here. |
| 22:47.50 | Guerin | mdeboer: in any case, a busy tone indicates the client is working perfectly. |
| 22:47.56 | creature | I partitioned this disk through the Linux installer. What partition type support will I need? |
| 22:47.58 | blondie | wtf is ekiga? |
| 22:48.10 | creature | blondie: videoconferencing software. |
| 22:48.14 | cydork | blondie, a sip phone |
| 22:48.15 | jelly | creature: do you have a SATA or a PATA (IDE) drive? |
| 22:48.21 | creature | Uses h.323 or some protocol like that. |
| 22:48.29 | blondie | I see |
| 22:48.36 | dc3aes | jelly/h3sp4wn: permission to be ignorant.. but where does ata_piix come into play? I found reference to it supporting the Intel ICH5 so it looks to be right.. is it a kernel module? |
| 22:48.44 | creature | jelly: I don't think it's SATA. It's a laptop, and it's a bit old. |
| 22:48.48 | Guerin | blondie: ekiga == gnomemeeting |
| 22:48.51 | blondie | creature: are you alex? |
| 22:48.56 | creature | But I can't be sure. I'm pretty damn sure it's not SATA. |
| 22:48.57 | panthera | tarzeau? |
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| 22:49.01 | Guerin | blondie: a recent contender for 'stupidest name in free software' |
| 22:49.04 | creature | blondie: Yes, I am. So are you, I take it. |
| 22:49.09 | jelly | dc3aes: yes, it is. |
| 22:49.10 | blondie | rare |
| 22:49.18 | creature | Not as rare as you'd think. |
| 22:49.26 | mdeboer | ok.. thanks. |
| 22:49.30 | blondie | no? |
| 22:49.43 | mdeboer | maybe be sip:500@ekiga.net simply does not work... |
| 22:49.56 | jelly | dc3aes: support for PATA through that driver is optional though, so it might be possible that Debian didn't compile it in. |
| 22:49.57 | creature | blondie: I bump into a lot of people on here. |
| 22:49.59 | dc3aes | jelly: and since I cant even BOOT .. am I to attempt the kernel boot option of combined_mode=libata libata.atapi_enabled=1 then somehow enable the ata_piix module while in the system |
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| 22:50.03 | Guerin | mdeboer: if it gives a busy signal, it's working |
| 22:50.03 | blondie | ah |
| 22:50.06 | Guerin | mdeboer: try something else |
| 22:50.17 | dc3aes | jelly: can this be invoked with a boot option do you think? |
| 22:50.20 | mdeboer | do you have any suggestions? |
| 22:50.26 | mdeboer | maybe do sip answering machines? |
| 22:50.32 | mdeboer | s/do/some/ |
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| 22:50.50 | Guerin | mdeboer: fgi |
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| 22:51.01 | mdeboer | i also tried some other sip numbers.. none answer... |
| 22:51.05 | creature | Anyway, what partition type will I need to have compiled in to support my disk? |
| 22:51.09 | jelly | dc3aes: you first said it hang on disk usage, not on boot |
| 22:51.10 | Guerin | mdeboer: try one you know will work |
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| 22:51.30 | mdeboer | no idea. it's the first time i use it |
| 22:51.32 | Guerin | mdeboer: aqnd one you know won't like asjidghzkjcksdj@ekiga.net |
| 22:51.44 | dc3aes | jelly: I installed Debian Sarge and it hangs randomly during usage of system... I went to install etch today, latest unstable copy .. and it hangs during boot up of the install image |
| 22:52.20 | jelly | dc3aes: well, if it hangs after loading up kernel/initrd, then yes, you can probably provide that as a boot option. |
| 22:52.23 | mdeboer | hey, i called asjidghzkjcksdj@ekiga.net and this guy answers! |
| 22:52.24 | dc3aes | jelly: but.. one problem at a time.. maybe I can salvage my operational Sarge install by enabling this kernel module.. you see where im going? I would like to install etch ultimately but cant get through the initial bootup |
| 22:52.28 | mdeboer | just kidding |
| 22:52.32 | Guerin | dc3aes: what kernel? |
| 22:52.40 | Guerin | mdeboer: try 2.6.18 in etch rc1 |
| 22:52.45 | dc3aes | Guerin: with sarge? |
| 22:52.59 | Guerin | mdeboer: that kernel is available for sarge at ... |
| 22:53.01 | jelly | dc3aes: sarge is too old to have that driver functional, sorry. 2.6.17+ ... |
| 22:53.02 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 22:53.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 22:53.03 | dc3aes | Guerin: I dont have it written down :( sorry |
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| 22:53.14 | Guerin | dc3aes: ↑ there :) |
| 22:53.37 | dc3aes | hehe I have seen that before but I think my system crashed while I was trying to do it |
| 22:53.39 | mdeboer | Guerin: Abnormal call termination. both with the 500@ and the non-existing sip adresses... |
| 22:53.41 | jelly | dc3aes: Uh, disregard that, you could boot off the etch cd, then install a new kernel on the existing sarge installation. |
| 22:54.03 | Guerin | mdeboer: ok, now you know it's not working. Is that 500@ addy a test address or something? |
| 22:54.04 | dc3aes | jelly: oh.. correct.. now what would the boot option for ata_piix be though if you happen to know? thx a million |
| 22:54.41 | Guerin | mdeboer: i suggest asking a mailing list, though, because #debian isn't the place for this. |
| 22:54.58 | jelly | creature: I've heard of laptops with PATA disks and PATA -> SATA bridge... go figure. Thinkpad R5x models come to mind. |
| 22:55.09 | creature | jelly: This is a thinkpad X30. |
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| 22:55.59 | mdeboer | Guerin: you're right. i thought ekiga use was more common, but i guess it isn't... thanks anyway. |
| 22:56.12 | jelly | dc3aes: "combined_mode=libata libata.atapi_enabled=1" is what I found on google and what Works For Me(tm) |
| 22:56.20 | Guerin | mdeboer: i used to, but now I live on the same continent as all my friends. |
| 22:56.50 | mdeboer | yeah, so do i, but some friends have no phone, only adsl. |
| 22:56.55 | mdeboer | cu. |
| 22:56.55 | dc3aes | jelly: ok thanks.. i will go off now and try some things.. thanks guys |
| 22:56.57 | jelly | creature: best bet - check out the specs on the web to confirm what hardware does it have. www.thinkwiki.org is a good resource for Linux on Thinkpads. |
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| 22:57.26 | rfrank | I fixed the res problem.. but has anyone used these packages who can help me: http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:57.38 | creature | jelly: I've seen that. As I say, I'm almost certain I have my IDE controller and filesystems compiled in (not as modules) to my kernel. |
| 22:57.44 | rfrank | debian xfce group packages |
| 22:57.44 | creature | But yet, I get http://pastie.caboo.se/25161 on startup. |
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| 22:58.00 | rfrank | Not started from the Trunk directory or not a valid SVN repository. Aborting. |
| 22:58.06 | jelly | creature: then it's some other thing. Try messing with ACPI (ie. disable it and see what happens) |
| 22:58.29 | jelly | creature: this helps sometimes with interrupt problems. |
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| 22:59.26 | creature | jelly: Can I try disable ACPI at boot time? |
| 22:59.47 | creature | And it doesn't look to me like an interrupt problem - it's an "unknown block" problem, surely? |
| 23:00.14 | jelly | creature: "noacpi" or "acpi=off" or maybe both. |
| 23:00.24 | freebse | could be onboard stuff as well.... disable all onboard stuff and try again |
| 23:01.07 | creature | Onboard stuff? Like what? |
| 23:01.27 | jelly | creature: sheeeit, I think I have confused your question with someone else's :-| |
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| 23:02.14 | creature | jelly: No worries, but any ideas about what it may be in actuality? |
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| 23:02.43 | jelly | creature: ok. I've done my /lastlog ... sounds like you have something missing from kernel, or, if you're using initrd, your initrd might be missing some modules. |
| 23:03.02 | creature | I'm not using initrd, but I don't want to. |
| 23:03.15 | creature | jelly: As I say, I've got ext2 and ext3 built into my kernel, and I have the PIIX module built in. |
| 23:03.42 | jelly | creature: can you boot from a cd/livecd? |
| 23:03.50 | creature | Yep. |
| 23:04.13 | creature | I'm booted into a Debian stock kernel now. |
| 23:04.13 | creature | That one boots fine. |
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| 23:04.30 | jelly | creature: great. paste your .config into a pastebin, maybe someone will see if there's anything funny. |
| 23:04.47 | creature | That's not really an option. |
| 23:04.53 | creature | The laptop has no net access, yet. |
| 23:05.08 | creature | (One of the reasons I'm trying to build my own kernel). |
| 23:05.17 | jelly | creature: debian's kernel does not have the network driver? |
| 23:05.29 | jelly | ... with a P3 laptop? |
| 23:05.33 | jelly | unlikely |
| 23:05.34 | creature | jelly: It has a driver, but it only supports WEP and not WPA. |
| 23:05.50 | creature | But, I would quite like to build my own kernel anyway. |
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| 23:06.10 | jelly | the wonderful complications of wireless networking never cease to amaze me. |
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| 23:07.12 | jelly | creature: I don't think wep/wpa is driver's fault. Which kernel version? Do you have wpa_supplicant installed? |
| 23:07.12 | creature | Well, let's put the wifi issue to one side, and get it reading the hard disk first. |
| 23:07.55 | ben1756 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.21 | jelly | creature: well, if you have ext2/ext3 and piix compiled in, I can't figure out what could be wrong... bad root= option? pc (dos) partition table not compiled in? |
| 23:08.27 | thelostbutler | creature: just making sure. are you sure that hda5 is the root/boot device ? |
| 23:08.36 | creature | thelostbutler: Yeah, I am. |
| 23:08.49 | creature | jelly: I have PC (dos) partition support built in. |
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| 23:09.38 | thelostbutler | creature: did you run a diff on the config of stock debian and your kernel to see what the differences are in terms of controller /filesystems ? can be a starting point if you can't post .config |
| 23:09.40 | ben1756 | The layers of patches are a bit intimidating |
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| 23:10.21 | creature | thelostbutler: I haven't. Where does the stock .config live? |
| 23:10.32 | jelly | creature: /boot/config-version |
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| 23:12.29 | embrik | I can't get sound when watching webtv (debian sarge, firefox, mplayer-plugin, mplayer, codecs-> /usr/lib/win32, sound driver oss) |
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| 23:12.39 | jmd | What's the best way to deal with "local" packages? Ie, those which don't come with the release (but may depend upon packages which do). |
| 23:13.01 | embrik | anybody wants to help |
| 23:13.08 | embrik | ? |
| 23:13.34 | centrx | jmd put them in /usr/local ? |
| 23:13.37 | jmd | embrik, Turn on your speakers. |
| 23:13.54 | jmd | centrx, Will apt know to look there? |
| 23:14.00 | embrik | jmd:c'mon done that :-) |
| 23:14.15 | jmd | embrik, Remove your ear plugs... |
| 23:14.18 | jelly | jmd: you want to create a local repository and add it to sources.list |
| 23:14.41 | ryan` | Is there a timeline for etch's release as stable? |
| 23:14.56 | jmd | jelly, Yes I was thinking about that. Is a local repository simple to make ? |
| 23:15.10 | Flimzy | How many iptables rules can be realistically inserted on a single host? Is 32,000 an unrealistic number? |
| 23:15.15 | embrik | jmd, have you got any tip, i've been working for some time now, before I entered this channel |
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| 23:16.22 | jmd | embrik, No. Sorry. I always struggle with sound when setting up new hardware. Usually I have to do a kernel update before it will work. |
| 23:16.42 | jelly | jmd: see /msg dpkg repository for documentation. It's rather easy. |
| 23:16.56 | embrik | jmd, hmm ok. Maybe there's a channel calle mplayer or something.. |
| 23:17.22 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.43 | creature | thelostbutler: Do you think it would be a fair thing to say that what we want is to look at the things I've taken out, right? |
| 23:17.49 | ilovemypuppy | wow I sure hope theres mplayer packages for debian |
| 23:17.56 | jmd | jelly, Thanks. |
| 23:18.04 | jmd | embrik, Yes, maybe. |
| 23:18.11 | centrx | ilovemypuppy there are, but they are not included in the Debian distribution |
| 23:18.23 | blondie | umm |
| 23:18.25 | embrik | ilove..: apt-get install mplayer |
| 23:18.30 | ilovemypuppy | but I can get them from the repos, yes? |
| 23:18.31 | blondie | they are in sid |
| 23:18.42 | ilovemypuppy | I had an uncle sid who died a year or two ago |
| 23:18.44 | creature | ilovemypuppy: I think it's debian-multimedia.org that you want. |
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| 23:18.53 | jelly | jmd: basically: mkdir /opt/packages; mv all the debs there; cd /opt/packages; dpkg-scanpackage . | gzip -9c > Packages.gz; echo "deb file:/opt/packages/ ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update |
| 23:19.14 | ilovemypuppy | right on, thz |
| 23:19.39 | embrik | ilov: put this in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main |
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| 23:20.06 | jmd | jelly, Sounds cool. I was just pre-loading them into /var/apt/cache/archive which sort of does the job, but obviously has problems. |
| 23:20.40 | jelly | jmd: oops, make that dpkg-scanpackage . /dev/null | gzip -9c ... etc |
| 23:21.11 | jelly | jmd: I have a script for that and was writing out of my head. |
| 23:21.37 | jelly | s/out of my head/from memory/ |
| 23:22.07 | jmd | out of my head sounds better !!!! |
| 23:22.24 | jelly | jmd: a literal translation of a Croatian idiom |
| 23:22.54 | blondie | "off the top of my head" |
| 23:23.05 | jelly | blondie: thanks |
| 23:23.07 | jmd | jelly, Right. It has a different connotation in English! |
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| 23:23.30 | blondie | though thats usualy negative |
| 23:23.40 | jelly | I know about being out of one's mind |
| 23:24.00 | jelly | but out of heads? headcount: zero |
| 23:24.15 | creature | The MTD section wouldn't really have any impact on my HD, would it? |
| 23:24.15 | creature | And what's CONFIG_FTL control? |
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| 23:25.04 | jelly | creature: sounds like support for ansible devices ;-) |
| 23:25.27 | creature | Ansible? |
| 23:25.37 | creature | I suspect this is a faster-than-light joke that's gone over my head. |
| 23:25.44 | jelly | creature: yep. |
| 23:26.20 | jmd | blondie, It depends on one's system of moral values. |
| 23:26.39 | blondie | eh? |
| 23:26.56 | jelly | it's a name for a ftl communication device (only information is transferred, maybe a bit more realistic than ftl travel) |
| 23:27.16 | blondie | subspace radio! |
| 23:27.49 | jmd | Which package can provide me with live Ashes updates? |
| 23:28.20 | blondie | cricket? |
| 23:28.37 | creature | What do we think that CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD does? |
| 23:28.40 | creature | And, how would I find out these things for myself? |
| 23:29.07 | jmd | blondie, yes. I don't know of any other series with that name. |
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| 23:30.25 | blondie | jmd: boring ;) |
| 23:30.46 | Sonderblade | how do you check which files is included in an uninstalled package? |
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| 23:31.33 | streuner | Sonderblade: apt-cache show <package>? |
| 23:31.54 | streuner | Sonderblade: try better pdo :-) |
| 23:32.25 | Sonderblade | streuner: that wont work |
| 23:32.32 | streuner | Sonderblade: and why didn't you ask in #ubuntu? |
| 23:33.23 | Sonderblade | streuner: its to noisy there |
| 23:33.53 | streuner | we got almost every answer about, but that's NEW :-) |
| 23:34.21 | Ronin | heh |
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| 23:35.14 | streuner | "Hi, iam using ubuntu, and i want ask a ubuntu question here in #debian, the reason is its too noisy in #ubuntu, can you help?" |
| 23:35.14 | concept10 | streuner, im curious, why are you against someone asking a apt related question here regardless of distro? |
| 23:35.37 | blondie | this is for debian, not ubuntu |
| 23:35.40 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 23:35.40 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 23:35.56 | streuner | the point isn't apt, the point is WHAT FUCKING distro he's using... :-) |
| 23:36.21 | concept10 | apt is different on redhat/fedora but not on ubuntu |
| 23:36.31 | blondie | concept10: irrelevent |
| 23:36.39 | concept10 | blondie, not to me. |
| 23:36.48 | streuner | troll somewhere else |
| 23:36.49 | Ronin | it does here concept10 |
| 23:36.59 | streuner | read /topic |
| 23:37.07 | blondie | concept10: well you dont make the policies for this channel |
| 23:37.13 | Ronin | its like running mandriva and going to redhat to ask questions |
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| 23:37.17 | Sonderblade | ok then tell me how you do it in debian then |
| 23:37.26 | Ronin | Sonderblade: we install debian first :) |
| 23:37.38 | zinx | apt-file show package |
| 23:38.05 | concept10 | I didnt say I make policy. I just asked a honest question, its not trolling what so ever. |
| 23:38.35 | blondie | fine |
| 23:39.00 | Sonderblade | zinx: apt-file only works with local packages |
| 23:39.27 | blondie | install debian and then ask ;) |
| 23:39.28 | jelly | Sonderblade: apt-file works with files in sources.list repositories |
| 23:39.40 | wols_ | Sonderblade: see why we cannot help you? cause your apt-file and ours work differently |
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| 23:40.03 | concept10 | I understand why #debian would make a policy concerning ubuntu related questions, If I ran the channel, I wouldnt want people coming in here asking them all day long. But for something such as apt, I guess I wouldnt mind |
| 23:40.05 | wols_ | so we tell you things about apt-file which are not true for you. So go and ask in your distro channel about your apt-file, if your distro has that program |
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| 23:40.52 | jelly | concept10: there is no way of telling what tiny change has ubuntu introduced in a random package, that makes Debian answer wrong |
| 23:40.52 | embrik | concept10: what do you want to know? |
| 23:41.12 | Sonderblade | you guys have a baaad case of distro envy |
| 23:41.20 | Ronin | heh sure we do Sonderblade |
| 23:41.21 | blondie | envy? lol |
| 23:41.28 | concept10 | jelly, I agree with that |
| 23:41.45 | blondie | ubuntu is for n00bs who can't cope with debian ;) |
| 23:41.48 | wols_ | Sonderblade: ubuntu follows debian. Not the other way around |
| 23:41.48 | Sonderblade | just because my distro is better than yours doesn't mean you suck :) |
| 23:42.00 | blondie | ubuntu isn't better. |
| 23:42.03 | Ronin | doh, almost fell for his trolling |
| 23:42.08 | zinx | Sonderblade: uhm, what i told you was the debian way that I use to show the contents of not installed packages |
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| 23:42.22 | embrik | c'mon you are childish.. |
| 23:42.27 | zinx | Sonderblade: and apt-file most certainly doesn't only work with local packages in debian. |
| 23:42.34 | embrik | my fateher is stronger than your.. |
| 23:42.37 | streuner | its almost every time the same, some people troll and came to this channel and saying "Hey, i have a non-related question in here, but if you don't help, you're rude" |
| 23:42.45 | Ronin | embrik: your mother wears army boots |
| 23:42.56 | streuner | "You don't like ubuntu" |
| 23:43.06 | wols_ | Ronin: is that cause she's so fat and hairy? |
| 23:43.25 | Ronin | wols_: heh |
| 23:43.25 | shwag | karsten: /var/log/dpkg.log does exist. |
| 23:43.26 | Sonderblade | zinx: then apt-file must be broken in ubuntu |
| 23:43.28 | concept10 | <blondie> ubuntu is for n00bs who can't cope with debian ;) thats a troll post |
| 23:43.35 | blondie | no it's not |
| 23:43.35 | zinx | Sonderblade: i have no idea |
| 23:43.35 | h3sp4wn | incidently with regards to apt-file does anyone know how to make it so the progress meter is shown without using apt-file -v |
| 23:43.42 | embrik | Ronin: she doesn't |
| 23:43.45 | blondie | it might be if I said it in ubuntu channel |
| 23:43.50 | zinx | Sonderblade: which is sort of the point people are trying to make. this is #debian, we can't really help with ubuntu. |
| 23:43.50 | Ronin | Sonderblade: then perhaps you best ask in #ubuntu or one of its forums |
| 23:44.29 | concept10 | Sonderblade, just go and read about apt somewhere, maybe even the man page and you shall find your answer |
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| 23:45.35 | concept10 | what is he attempting to do anyway? (sticks tounge out) |
| 23:45.35 | blondie | you want a kiss or something? |
| 23:45.35 | zinx | concept10: list the contents of uninstalled packages |
| 23:45.50 | RvGaTe | How safe is it to run debian etch as a normal user... what are the changes on crashing the system/install.... ? |
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| 23:46.07 | concept10 | what does someone need to do that for? |
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| 23:46.39 | jelly | to see what package provides a certain file? |
| 23:46.40 | blondie | RvGaTe: safer than as root |
| 23:46.58 | blondie | RvGaTe: you can't really break anything except your own account unless you're root |
| 23:47.04 | concept10 | Sonderblade, why do you need to do that? have you messed up a dependency by uninstalling something? |
| 23:47.18 | master_o1_master | hi, how can I forward all incoming smtp traffic to an other ip:25 (via ssh)? |
| 23:47.21 | RvGaTe | blondie, well...yes ofcourse i know that... but are there any packages still not working on etch that are commonly used? |
| 23:47.26 | Sonderblade | concept10: fyi, it was "apt-file update" i hadn't run, which wasn't mentioned in the man page |
| 23:47.44 | jelly | blondie: I think s?he meant run etch "as a typical user, comparing to current stable" |
| 23:48.02 | blondie | I see |
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| 23:48.14 | creature | No luck with my kernel yet. :( |
| 23:48.31 | jelly | creature: Debian kernel ftw! :-) |
| 23:49.02 | creature | I don't like pretending the problem away. |
| 23:49.02 | omarkj | Ah, a good dose of a distro war, just what was needed. : ) |
| 23:49.04 | jelly | creature: btw, does etch kernel work well? |
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| 23:49.55 | onetinsoldier | RvGaTe: have there been some commonly used packages that weren't working that you can point out specifically? are you aware that etch is fairly close to becomin the new 'stable' release? since it's getting close it's a tight release at this time. |
| 23:50.10 | creature | jelly: It works. It's not ideal, but it works. |
| 23:50.16 | concept10 | I guess i'm different, I prefer general unix/linux knowledge rather than tailored to one distro. The sooner we bridge that gap, the sooner we take over. |
| 23:50.18 | creature | It boots fine and so on. |
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| 23:50.36 | MoDaX | concept10: so join #linux :) |
| 23:50.47 | concept10 | MoDaX, too noisy :) |
| 23:50.55 | Ronin | concept10: then dont complain :) |
| 23:51.01 | zinx | concept10: that doesn't help a whole lot when you have a distro-specific problem |
| 23:51.08 | concept10 | I am in open embedded |
| 23:51.09 | zinx | concept10: as is frequently the case |
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| 23:51.37 | RvGaTe | onetinsoldier, i know its going to be stable within a few months (maybe weeks) but not being stable right now probably has its reason... broken packages for instance... and those packages could be commonly used... (packages like media players, burning software, browsers, gui's, chat's, txt editors... you know, the basic stuff) |
| 23:52.02 | jelly | creature: I mean, can you set up the network with it? |
| 23:52.04 | xingu | ... and when you're talking irc, what you want is largely irrelevant; you don't get to choose what I want for me - you only get to choose to /join, or to not /join |
| 23:52.37 | Ronin | xingu: dont forget /ignore :) |
| 23:52.53 | xingu | Ronin: I prever the /quote variant of that. :) |
| 23:53.04 | xingu | s/v/f/ |
| 23:53.38 | creature | jelly: No. But forget the networking for the time being. |
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| 23:53.47 | creature | The stock kernel can boot, and my one cannot. |
| 23:53.56 | concept10 | this is what we need: http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/i/callout.jpg |
| 23:54.31 | jelly | creature: so find another way to put up your .config online, then we'll talk... ;-) |
| 23:54.48 | creature | jelly: I really can't. |
| 23:54.49 | jelly | creature: like... copy it to a floppy. |
| 23:54.51 | onetinsoldier | RvGaTe: well i'm using it right now and have been for the last couple of weeks, i use vlc media player, gnome-baker and basero to burn stuff, lynx and firefox works fine, i use X and gui apps all the time. my text editor is usually vim, and everything has been all good for me. i guess all i can do is speak from personal experience. i don't think i should try and make any gaurantees |
| 23:55.00 | creature | The machine has no floppy drive. No CD drive. |
| 23:55.03 | creature | It's an ultraportable. |
| 23:55.20 | jelly | creature: ah, you don't have the dock? |
| 23:55.24 | MoDaX | concept10: why is it so difficult to understand that people sitting here and providing support use Debian and usually does not (want to) have a clue what ubuntu has messed up in their distro :) |
| 23:55.24 | MoDaX | s/does not/don't/ |
| 23:55.27 | creature | Nope. |
| 23:55.46 | RvGaTe | onetinsoldier, did you find anything not working properly from the beginning of your experience on etch? |
| 23:55.48 | creature | I don't have a wired internet connection available to me tonight either. |
| 23:55.58 | creature | It's not mere bloody-mindedeness stopping me. :) |
| 23:56.01 | jelly | creature: then you're fscked. ;-) |
| 23:56.02 | Quintin | need some help here |
| 23:56.03 | concept10 | MoDaX, I understand that, as posted above. No probs here. |
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| 23:56.10 | creature | jelly: So it would seem. |
| 23:56.13 | Quintin | what is a 'peppronicini'? from papa john's. |
| 23:56.17 | creature | How do I find out what each kernel config line means? |
| 23:56.26 | concept10 | MoDaX, I just want LOVE. |
| 23:56.31 | concept10 | heh |
| 23:56.35 | jelly | Quintin: a badly spelled pizza? |
| 23:56.37 | Quintin | creature: you make menuconfig, like a normal person, and stop trying to be cool. |
| 23:56.53 | Quintin | jelly: it is $0.49 to get some 'pepperonicini'. I'm ordering on the www. but I don't know what it is |
| 23:56.55 | creature | Quintin: I am using make menuconfig to generate my config. |
| 23:57.05 | creature | But if I were to diff my config against a stock config, I no longer have that ability. |
| 23:57.19 | creature | So kindly step back from the conclusion you've just jumped to. |
| 23:57.37 | onetinsoldier | RvGaTe: nope, i'm trying to think if there's been anything, but i can't come up with anything :) |
| 23:57.42 | Ronin | concept10: love? they sell that down the road from here in a local bar ;) |
| 23:57.44 | Quintin | I've been jumping to conclusions to years. I'm not stopping now! |
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| 23:57.47 | jelly | Quintin: (chilli) peppers? |
| 23:57.52 | streuner | Ronin: haha |
| 23:57.59 | itchi | RvGaTe: I run Etch on all my desktop, servers still Sarge |
| 23:58.08 | concept10 | Ronin, how much? im excited! |
| 23:58.08 | jelly | Quintin: google images is your friend! |
| 23:58.10 | Quintin | jelly: don't know.. I am going to be adventurous and find out.. |
| 23:58.28 | ivx | join #flood |
| 23:58.29 | Ronin | concept10: well oddly enough i know but not for the reasons you will think, it was $10 for a blow job |
| 23:58.30 | RvGaTe | itchi, onetinsoldier, allright, ill go download the iso now then :P |
| 23:58.48 | Ronin | or rather the last two that got busted were charging that much |
| 23:59.14 | concept10 | Ronin, heh. "not for the reasons you will think" You must be a pimp |
| 23:59.17 | RvGaTe | onetinsoldier, itchi, weekly snapshot or rc1? |
| 23:59.19 | Quintin | jelly: a jalapeno? the pizzas already come with one of those! and $0.49.. hmph. ripoff :p |
| 23:59.20 | onetinsoldier | RvGaTe: you should like it... and i'm just a destop use myself, i don't run any servers. i compile my own kernels though.. no problems there either |
| 23:59.34 | Ronin | concept10: nope, a branch of the users i look after work in corrections |
| 23:59.39 | onetinsoldier | RvGaTe; RC1 |
| 23:59.54 | itchi | RvGaTe: Does not realy matters, it's the installer, but the etch installer already have an GUI installer interface. |
| 23:59.58 | concept10 | Ronin, oh |
